[01:40] <lfaraone> dfarning: for ankur, you should say "use whcihever is the most recent"
[02:02]  * lfaraone will be back in 1h30.
[03:43] <lfaraone> Anybody around?
[03:45] <dfarning> Ian_Daniher, how are you?
[03:46] <dfarning> Ian_Daniher, anything interesting going on?
[03:47] <lfaraone> dfarning: I saw your additions to the tasks page. Is there a reason you included activities already present in Debian in the table?
[03:48] <lfaraone> dfarning: "Sugar Activities" is under "New packages", there's a section above (untabilized) named "Package updates" which might be more suitable, but I'm not sure what you're looking for.
[03:49] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes -- this a meant as a semi-long term task tool.  So manu and I can keep track of who is doing what and how they are coming.
[03:49] <lfaraone> dfarning: okay. that might belong under a separate table that is more suited to the task (no pun intended)
[03:51] <dfarning> lfaraone, did you look at the table again recently?
[03:51] <lfaraone> dfarning: I'm looking at it right now.
[03:52] <lfaraone> dfarning: a table with things like "ITP number" and "Ubuntu Version" isn't really well-suited to what you're looking for, right?
[03:54] <lfaraone> dfarning: I'm not saying that's not the right page, I'm just not sure it's the right table for that information.
[03:57] <dfarning> lfaraone, we can just leave ITP and Ubuntu version blank where they don't apply
[03:58] <dfarning> lfaraone, Yah I think I expanded the table beyond what you intended.
[03:59] <dfarning> lfaraone, Is the a reason for keeping track of 'ubuntu version'?
[04:00] <lfaraone> dfarning: well, it origianlly provided us with the information as to what we wer basing our work off of.
[04:02] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes and now all of those packages have been started by someone.
[04:03] <dfarning> dipankar, good morning:)
[04:04] <dipankar> dfarning, good evening :).
[04:04] <lfaraone> dfarning: right. what I saw the table as was a list of activities / software / packages we were trying to get into debian, get reviewed, etc.
[04:04] <dipankar> lfaraone, hi.
[04:06] <lfaraone> hey dipankar .
[04:07] <dipankar> lfaraone, what is the use of debian/install then?
[04:08] <dipankar> lfaraone, * just went through your review
[04:08] <lfaraone> dipankar: if you didn't use CDBS, debian/install tells debhelper (a collection of scripts used by CDBS and by maintainers direcly) where to manually install files into a package direcotry
[04:08] <dfarning> lfaraone, yes I think it still does that well....  I am going to add another colume with a link to the existing package if it all ready exists in debian.
[04:08] <lfaraone> dfarning: maybe a modification of http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/multidistrotools/sugar.html would be more useful?
[04:16] <dipankar> * sorry was going through mails and links
[04:25] <dipankar> lfaraone, dfarning : we have not been assigned any activities on the Sugar/tasks page. Any reason?
[04:26] <dfarning> dipankar, I just put it together about and hour ago -- manu will assign tasks -- but feel free to volunteer.
[04:28] <dipankar> dfarning, okay. I was thinking of the taking up the browse-activity.
[04:29] <dipankar> dfarning, also the sugar-presence-service; as I packaged it for ppa too :)
[04:32]  * dipankar is away: I'm not here
[04:33] <dfarning> dipankar, on second thought -- we better wait til we hear from manu.
[04:41] <dfarning> kandarpk, good morning.
[04:42] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning
[04:43] <dfarning> kandarpk, what do you have planned for today?
[04:44] <kandarpk> dfarning: Manusheel sir had sent some links for studying Network management
[04:44] <kandarpk> dfarning: will go through them right now, and will ask you my doubts next morning when you get back
[04:44] <dfarning> kandarpk, sounds good.
[04:45] <kandarpk> dfarning: hope it works out
[04:59]  * lfaraone is out for the night. See you all in the morning.
[05:04]  * dipankar is back (gone 00:32:39)
[05:05] <dipankar> kandarpk, good morning
[05:05] <kandarpk> dipankar: good morning
[05:06] <dipankar> dfarning, ok. Lets wait for Manu Sir's e-mail. :)
[05:10] <dipankar> dfarning, continuing work from last night, why tomeu suggested using 'less'? why can't /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble' be opened through gedit?
[05:13] <dfarning> dipankar,  real hackers use less, cat, vim, and sed.   So the use or hacking tools will help you become more effective.  gedit is fine for now, but with in a couple of months you will be using the experts tools.
[05:16] <kandarpk> dfarning: what topic do I pick up first for studying networking ?
[05:16] <kandarpk> the list has presence service, telepathy, network manager ....
[05:17] <dipankar> kandarpk, just go in the order manu sir sent you the lins
[05:17] <dipankar> *links
[05:18] <kandarpk> ok.
[05:18] <dfarning> kandarpk, I think I would start at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy that is the framework which sits below http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presence_Service and above network manager.
[05:18] <dipankar> kandarpk, that way you will find the topics related to each other. If taken at random, there will be a problem in relating.
[05:19] <dfarning> dipankar, did you get a chance to read the logs of kandarpk and my conversation from last night?
[05:21] <dipankar> dfarning, going through them.
[05:23] <dfarning> dipankar, for me at least, it make a lot more sense to think of the presence-service, telepathy, connection managers, and network manager as part of a stack similar to the osi model.
[05:26] <dipankar> dfarning, ohk.
[05:27] <kandarpk> dfarning: we do not need to touch telepathy
[05:28] <kandarpk> dfarning: so basically we need to study it to understand its functioning ?
[05:29] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, but one of the most important points is how telepathy can automatically switch back and forth between connection-managers.
[05:30] <dfarning> kandarpk, see the part under connection managers on the telepathy page.
[05:31] <kandarpk> dfarning: if telepathy is hidden from sugar due to the presence of Presence Service and sugar.presence( on which we need to work), how will the study of functioning of telepathy help ?
[05:31] <dfarning> kandarpk, depending on the situation, telepathy choses between gabble and salut
[05:32] <dfarning> kandarpk, It seems that a lot of the bug are related to gabble and salut.... or they at least show up in the stack trace.
[05:33] <kandarpk> dfarning: I am a bit confused now.
[05:33] <kandarpk> dfarning: if telepathy works ok in other environments, why is it failing in sugar ?
[05:34] <kandarpk> we must be using the same module ?
[05:34] <dfarning> kandarpk, I am not sure -- I think it was orginally created for sugar and is just now moving into gnome.
[05:36] <kandarpk> dfarning: does that mean telepathy too needs some modification ?
[05:36] <kandarpk> I mean which layer do we need to modify assumiong others are working fine ?
[05:37] <kandarpk> sugar.presence -> Presence Service -> Telepathy
[05:37] <dfarning> kandarpk, tomeu sent a link to a telepathy developers manual.... which I can't find right now.
[05:37] <dfarning> kandarpk, We can not assume that any of them are working 100%
[05:38] <kandarpk> dfarning: I mean, which layer needs to be fixed first ?
[05:39] <dfarning> kandarpk, I think it will be an iterative process or gradually improving the entire stack.
[05:40] <kandarpk> dfarning: that is what I thought after asking the question
[05:40] <dfarning> kandarpk, on the plus side the telepathy is pretty sell supported by a strong community.
[05:40] <dfarning> is pretty strong
[05:47] <dipankar> dfarning, ok, last last's discussion was a bit confusing.
[05:48] <dfarning> dipankar, ok which part?
[05:48] <dipankar> dfarning, the part sugar.presence and presence service.
[05:50] <dipankar> dfarning, btw are you looking for this link : http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/
[05:52] <dfarning> dipankar, yes thanks.
[05:52] <dipankar> np
[05:57] <dipankar> dfarning, just curious, is there any link b/w telepathy and empathy? they both have same icon.
[05:59] <dfarning> dipankar, http://live.gnome.org/Empathy  .  It looks like empathy sits on top of telepathy
[05:59] <kandarpk> dipankar: I think empathy uses telepathy just as sugar does
[06:00] <dipankar> yup, it is XMPP alright
[06:00] <dipankar> *is on
[06:07] <dipankar> dfarning, what is the task for today? to through the guide, then?
[06:10] <dfarning> dipankar, yes i would suggest taking another look at the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presence_Service and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy pages and following the links.  with emphasis on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy_Gabble and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Telepathy_Salut
[06:11] <kandarpk> dfarning: is D-BUS just another software which enables message passing between different applications ?
[06:11] <kandarpk> by providing standard modules ?
[06:12] <dfarning> kandarpk,  then when tomeu come on line explain what you have learned and ask for help again.  he will be impress by the preparation you have done before asking for help again:)
[06:13] <kandarpk> dfarning
[06:13] <kandarpk> sure
[06:14] <dfarning> kandarpk, oops typo I didn't dipankar and tomeu work together yesterday.
[06:15] <dfarning> but anyway working together with him will be good.
[06:16] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes, dbus is just another IPC system.
[06:16] <dfarning> kandarpk, but it came about as an effort to minimize the differences between gnome and kde.
[06:17] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok.
[06:17] <kandarpk> dfarning: didn't know gnome and kde were so different.
[06:19] <dfarning> kandarpk, historically they were pretty different.  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ was a joint project designed to bring them together around certain standards.
[06:19] <dipankar> dfarning, I went through a page on D-BUS(can't remember exactly which one). It mentioned there that D-BUS can also be used for device detection sort. Like if a USB drive is inserted.
[06:20] <dipankar> dfarning, so D-BUS is not limited to networking only, I guess
[06:22] <dfarning> dipankar, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus dbus  ... does not 'detect' the device rather it passes message that 'something' detected new hardware.
[06:23] <dipankar> dfarning, yup ^^ that is the site :)
[06:23] <kandarpk> dfarning: Sugar provides a wrapper interface to the D-Bus API in the Python module sugar.presence.
[06:23] <kandarpk> what does it mean ?
[06:23] <kandarpk> I am not able to understand the use of sugar.presence
[06:24] <dfarning> dipankar, any service can send a message using dbus.
[06:24] <kandarpk> *functionality of sugar.presence
[06:24] <dfarning> kandarpk, what was the context of your last question.
[06:24] <dfarning> ?
[06:25] <kandarpk> dfarning: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presence_Service
[06:25] <kandarpk> dfarning: the Presence Service is responsible for detecting different users
[06:25] <kandarpk> why can't applications directly interact with presence service
[06:26] <kandarpk> and remove the sugar.presence module layer
[06:26] <dipankar> kandarpk, Python activities (and Sugar) make use of the sugar.presence module to interact with Presence Service. sugar.presence provides an API for accessing Presence Service over the D-Bus session bus. <from the wiki.laptop.org>
[06:27] <dipankar> kandarpk, oops I thought you didn't check the site
[06:28] <dfarning> kandarpk, i believe they can interact directly.. but there are several commonly reoccurring 'things' that activities need to do such as invite, share ....
[06:29] <dfarning> kandarpk, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_sharing
[06:31] <dfarning> kandarpk, check out http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Presence_Service_DBus_API for what api presense_service offers.
[06:33] <dfarning> dipankar, kandarpk good night guys.  thanks for everything
[06:33] <kandarpk> dfarning: good night.
[06:33] <kandarpk> dfarning: pleasure working with you.
[06:33] <dipankar> dfarning, good night. I will go through the links deeply this afternoon IST
[06:34] <kandarpk> dfarning: hopefully I'll have some doubts.
[06:53]  * dipankar is away: I'm not here
[10:31]  * dipankar is away: I'm not here
[13:58] <dipankar> dfarning, good morning
[14:06] <dfarning> dipankar, good morning
[14:07] <dipankar> dfarning, how are you doing this morning?
[14:09] <dfarning> I am good and you.
[14:09] <dfarning> dipankar, tomeu is waiting to go over yesterday bug with you again:)
[14:09] <dipankar> I am also doing good :)
[14:10] <dipankar> dfarning, I still couldn't use less to open up the file.
[14:10] <dipankar> :(
[14:11] <dfarning> dipankar, I would guess that is has something to do with fonts.
[14:11] <dipankar> dfarning, I am going through the manual here since tomeu wasn't sure of my linux knowledge :( http://en.flossmanuals.net/CommandLineIntro/MovingAround
[14:11] <dfarning> dipankar, but you know a lot more today than yesterday.
[14:11] <dfarning> dipankar, good idea.
[14:12] <dipankar> dfarning, I tried a lot to open up the file in 'less' whenever it opened, it shows only '@'s all around
[14:14] <dipankar> dfarning, btw I still don't know what the bug is related to?
[14:14] <dfarning> dipankar, yes that is a font thing.  just used gedit of vim for now:)
[14:14] <ishan> dfarning , hi
[14:15] <dipankar> dfarning, :) thanks.
[14:15] <dfarning> ishan, good morning.
[14:15] <dipankar> * thats was a comforting
[14:15] <ishan> did i miss something
[14:16] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning
[14:17] <dipankar> kandarpk, hi :)
[14:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, good morning.
[14:18] <kandarpk> dipankar: how is your progress regarding networking ?
[14:18] <dipankar> dfarning, what is the bug you pasted last night (IST)? I am not clear with that.
[14:18] <dipankar> kandarpk, so-so, Its pretty tough to understand thing in one go.
[14:19] <dfarning> dipankar, it was the same one you were working on with tomeu.
[14:19] <kandarpk> same here
[14:19] <ishan> kandarp, hi
[14:19] <kandarpk> ishan: hi
[14:19] <kandarpk> ishan: how are you ?
[14:20] <ishan> kandarp, fine
[14:20] <ishan> trying to understand networking
[14:20] <kandarpk> ishan: you can use tab to autocomplete the nickname
[14:21] <ishan> kandarpk, okay
[14:21] <dipankar> dfarning, I mean, what is the bug on Sugar? What does it affect? :)
[14:23] <dfarning> dipankar, I think it prevents me from connecting to a jabber server on my computer:(
[14:23] <dipankar> dfarning, ohk.
[14:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: I found studying the manuals very hard
[14:24] <dipankar> kandarpk, +1
[14:24] <ishan> kandarpk,  +1
[14:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: they have too much info.
[14:25] <dfarning> Yes, I suggest a couple of hands on debugging sessions with tomeu:)
[14:27] <kandarpk> dipankar: what do you say ?
[14:28] <dipankar> kandarpk, dfarning I am up for it. But last night's interaction with tomeu really set me back a bit
[14:28] <kandarpk> dipankar: can me and ankur join from where you left in debugging with tomeu ?
[14:29] <dipankar> kandarpk, As far as I know ankur is assigned with networking
[14:29] <kandarpk> dipankar: oh yes, not ankur but ishan
[14:29] <dipankar> kandarpk, sure why not. There is nothing to ask in that
[14:30] <kandarpk> dipankar: I mean did you make any progress that we might find hard to catch up ?
[14:32] <dipankar> kandarpk, ishan : Till nothing much has been covered. I was advised by tomeu to go through 'Linux command line' tutorial first.
[14:32] <dfarning> dipankar, don't worry about it.  It is an iterative learning process and we all understand that.  We are all just glad you guys are taking on these tasks.   One thing to remember.... on IRC we are often doing several things at once.  So frustration can easily be misdirected:(
[14:33] <ishan> dipankar, any particular tutorial adviced by tomeu
[14:34] <dipankar> dfarning, I was thinking of that only. I guess tomeu was involved deeply in some other thing :)
[14:35] <dipankar> ishan, nope. But walterbender did suggest using flossmanuals.net
[14:35] <dfarning> dipankar, +1
[14:35] <dipankar> dfarning, hows is tomeu today?  I lost the link to the paste. Can you please provide it again?
[14:40] <dfarning> dipankar, http://pastebin.org/390195
[14:42] <dipankar> * guys please join in #sugar. I am feeling lonely
[14:43] <dipankar> :P
[14:53] <kandarpk> dfarning: what should we do now ?
[14:53] <kandarpk> dfarning: studying tutorials and understanding them will take a lot of time
[14:53] <dfarning> kandarpk, one moment
[14:59]  * lfaraone waves.
[15:00] <dipankar> hi lfaraone :)
[15:01] <kandarpk> lfaraone: hi
[15:01] <lfaraone> hey dipankar, kandarpk.
[15:02] <dipankar> lfaraone, how are you this morning?
[15:02] <lfaraone> dipankar: decent, you?
[15:03] <dipankar> lfaraone, I think good :), its just we are having a tough time in networking.
[15:30] <lfaraone> dipankar: okay. let me know if there is anything I can help with.
[15:32] <dipankar> lfaraone, sure. I saw you are also busy on #sugar
[15:32]  * ishan is away for dinner
[15:47] <dfarning> dipankar, kandarpk, did you follow my conversation on #sugar?
[15:47] <dipankar> dfarning, I am trying. its a bit tough
[15:49] <dfarning> dipankar, me too:(
[15:49] <dfarning> dipankar, I think the next step is to figure out what ---- this looks to me as a wart in dbus+dbus-python: PS wants to call gabble, dbus starts gabble, gabble dies shortly after, dbus-python tries to introspect, introspection fails, dbus-python tries anyway to call it, marshalling fails because it's guessing the signature wrongly, logs confusing error
[15:49]  * ishan is back
[15:49] <dfarning> means:)
[15:51] <kandarpk> dfarning: Its very confusing
[15:51] <dfarning> dipankar, kandarpk I am going to take a short break... be back in a few minutes.
[15:52] <dipankar> dfarning, no problem
[15:55] <dfarning> kandarpk, dipankar does everyone have plenty of tasks in the queue to stay productive....
[15:56] <manusheel> dfarning: Yes. Luke has provided good code reviews.
[15:57] <manusheel> dfarning: Improvements need to be made in packages accordingly.
[15:57] <kandarpk> dfarning: and we can take up other activities when we finish the ones we are working on
[15:58] <manusheel> kandarpk, dipankar: The networking related tasks will require regular effort from our side.
[15:58] <manusheel> Let us take things step by step.
[15:58] <dipankar_> dfarning, did I miss anything
[15:58] <dipankar_> ?
[15:58] <manusheel> In the beginning, things might look hard and difficult to gather.
[15:59] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: networking seems to wide to cover
[15:59] <manusheel> No one is expecting a 100% understanding of the context. We'll take things step by step.
 dfarning, I was just viewing the shell.log while sending a friend request to ishan and got this:
[15:59] <dipankar_><PHONE_NUMBER>.881226 DEBUG s-p-s.server_plugin: friends subscribed
[15:59] <dipankar_><PHONE_NUMBER>.881913 DEBUG s-p-s.server_plugin: friends group synced
[15:59] <dipankar_><PHONE_NUMBER>.053936 WARNING s-p-s.presenceservice: Error fetching aliases: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[16:00] <manusheel> kandarpk: It is actually not very wide to cover.
[16:00] <dfarning> manusheel, kandarpk +1 networking/collaboration is the single most unique feature and benefit of Sugar.... OLPC and SL have been working on it for several years and not gotten it to work.
[16:00] <dipankar_> manusheel, Sir the problem is with lack of hands on session
[16:01] <manusheel> dipankar: Hands on session will come. We just need to be patient and work towards whatever we have. No one has developed hands on session in networking related development.
[16:02] <manusheel> Perhaps, that is an opportunity too.
[16:02] <manusheel> dipankar: It is very much like a research problem, where we have a set of resources available.
[16:02] <dipankar> manusheel, ok..
[16:02] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I found it tough because
[16:03] <kandarpk> we need to work on sugar.preservence, Preservence service, Telepathy, D-BUS
[16:03] <manusheel> We need to develop an objective statement and an approach. We'll be able to do it once we try and analyze the different parameters involved in the context, their use-cases and importance. We'll define priorities accordingly.
[16:03] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: each one being big enough to study
[16:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: It is way too early to say it is tough.
[16:04] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: you are right
[16:04] <kandarpk> we haven't put in much yet
[16:05] <dipankar> manusheel, Sir I would put it, its tough for first go.
[16:05] <manusheel> kandarpk: You'll need to spend time. Take things as they come. Accept it, reject it or wait till you have a better answer. Get to the level of details step by step or adhoc depending upon the resources available.
[16:05] <manusheel> And, then arrive at a defined approach and implementation steps.
[16:06] <manusheel> dipankar: This is one step forward from packaging. Some challenges ought to be there. We should like challenges and develop an approach as we work.
[16:07] <dipankar> manusheel, ok Sir.
[16:07] <manusheel> dipankar: Some of the areas will remain open to analysis and debate. We'll need to focus on what we can gather and put it into perspective accordingly.
[16:08] <dipankar> ok
[16:08] <manusheel> dipankar, kandarpk: So, be patient. Networking is a core research area. You'll need to spend time and energy on this aspect along with your ongoing tasks.
[16:09] <manusheel> I personally feel you'll enjoy this experience.
[16:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: actually, being completely new to networking, we found it a bit challenging
[16:10] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: but I am sure we will learn a lot with time
[16:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: You are not new to networking. You are new to this paradigm of networking in reference to Sugar.
[16:12] <manusheel> kandarpk: Well, everyone is, in the beginning. No one comes with a whole set of tools available. Networking in reference to Sugar is an area of importance. I would like you to learn what you can, and try to put this into context through assignments, bug fixing and documentation.
[16:12] <manusheel> We'll then move into feature enhancement requests.
[16:13] <manusheel> You'll need to get comfortable with these things, before we start focusing on the design and feature enhancement requests.
[16:13] <dipankar> makes sense Sir
[16:14] <manusheel> dipankar, kandarpk: Great. Good luck.
[16:14] <manusheel> dipankar: Also, discuss amongst yourselves as you learn things. Will help you build up that base, which is very much required.
[16:15] <manusheel> kandarpk, dipankar: After all, we are working on collaborative models :-)
[16:15] <dipankar> manusheel, thanks Sir. will try our best :)
[16:15] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: :)
[16:23]  * dipankar is off for dinner
[16:23]  * dipankar is away: I'm not here
[16:59] <dfarning> ankur ankur_ hello
[16:59] <dfarning> how is your connection today
[16:59] <ankur> dfarning,  hello . good morning :)
[17:00] <ankur> well it seems good as far .i didn't got disconnected .
[17:00] <ankur> how are you?
[17:00] <dfarning> ankur after debugging with tomeu, I needed a nap:)
[17:01] <dfarning> ankur the networking/collaboration stuff makes my head spin:(
[17:01] <kandarpk> dfarning: you had proper rest ?
[17:01] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes:)
[17:02] <dfarning> kandarpk, I guess we will do a bit more reading and try again tomorrow.......
[17:02] <dfarning> kandarpk, how is the packaging coming?
[17:03] <kandarpk> dfarning: Networking kept me too busy
[17:03] <ankur> dfarning,  i just came , and i will be working till late today , can you help me catch up on what we did today ?
[17:05] <dfarning> kandarpk, Let's put networking on a lower priority for a day or so...... We will be working on the for the next 12 months and we have plenty of other pressing tasks.
[17:05] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok.
[17:06] <dfarning> ankur tomeu helped us debug a problem.... but none of us understood enough to know what he was talking about:(
[17:07] <ankur> well working on it help us get it in future i hope, i was not there so i cannot comment much :(
[17:07] <dfarning> ankur so I was going to go over the logs this afternoon and try to understand it betters so we can return with smarted question in a couple of days.
[17:08] <ankur> dfarning,  i too will go over the log and see what i can understand :)
[17:08] <dfarning> kandarpk, does everyone have a good queue of packages?  Are there things I can do to help anyone who is stuck?
[17:09] <kandarpk> dfarning: most of us have some practice of packaging now
[17:10] <kandarpk> dfarning: I don't think packaging should be a problem now
[17:10] <kandarpk> dfarning: let me correct the packages I've already pushed
[17:10] <kandarpk> will seek your help if I get stuck somewhere
[17:10] <dfarning> kandarpk, did you see I added some more packages to http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar/tasks#preview
[17:11] <kandarpk> dfarning: yes, I saw them
[17:11] <kandarpk> dfarning: that is why I think we have plenty of work at hand
[17:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: you've added read-activity as well, which Jonas is maintaining
[17:12] <dfarning> kandarpk, these activities are all ready packaged in debian. They will just need to be updated and added to collob-maint
[17:13] <kandarpk> dfarning: we need to merge the activity present at collab-maint with the latest one ?
[17:13] <dfarning> kandarpk, and some from seeta to 'maintain' or be responsible for them.
[17:14] <dfarning> kandarpk, You will need to talk to lfaraone about the exact process.
[17:15] <ankur> dfarning,  also chat activity was packaged by jonas (and it was latest version)
[17:15] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok, but the activities( outdated ) are present at collab-maint ?
[17:16] <dfarning> kandarpk, these are debain issues that we will have to work out with lfaraone.
[17:16] <kandarpk> lfaraone: around ?
[17:16]  * lfaraone will be back, lunch.
[17:17] <dfarning> kandarpk, at this point the list represents the packages that I think we want to ship.
[17:17] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok, got your point
[17:18] <kandarpk> dfarning: we need to have latest packages of these activities at collab-maint
[17:18] <kandarpk> ?
[17:18] <dfarning> kandarpk, they may be en various states of packaging by different people.  But, I would like to see if we can work with jonas and lfaraone to get them on collab-maint.
[17:18] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes... i type too slow.
[17:19] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok.
[17:19] <dfarning> kandarpk, by moving them all to collab-maint and packaging them all in a uniform manner we can reduce our future maintaince burden (cost).
[17:22] <dfarning> kandarpk, can you assign and track work until we hear back from Manu?
[17:24] <kandarpk> dfarning: I'll assign one activity each till Manu sir replies
[17:26] <dfarning> kandarpk, Ok great, I am going to try to come up with a better plan for how to learn about collaboration.
[17:27] <dfarning> kandarpk, I'll talk to you again in the morning.
[17:39] <ankur> lfaraone,  are you around?
[17:39] <lfaraone> ankur: for a little while, what?
[17:40] <ankur> okay , i needed to ask some questions , some quickies
[17:40] <ankur> when you mention "*" rule
[17:40] <lfaraone> ankur: okay.
[17:40] <ankur> you refer to the portion where we have written Files : *
[17:40] <ankur> in copyright file ?
[17:42] <lfaraone> ankur: yes.
[17:42] <kandarpk> ankur, ankur_ : Neeraj has packaged write and record ?
[17:42] <lfaraone> ankur: see http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#index2h3
[17:43] <ankur> and you mentioned to include years as well
[17:43] <ankur> so in that case where i have not mentioned year or say i have not got year, i will take or assume it as 2010
[17:43] <ankur> like in case of setup.py
[17:43] <ankur> of in "*" case
[17:44] <ankur> kandarpk,  i dont have any idea about that . i will see if i can find him online
[17:45] <manusheel> kandarpk: around?
[17:46] <kandarpk> lfaraone: after specifying 3.0 (quilt) source package format, do I need to build the package again ?
[17:46] <lfaraone> kandarpk: well, you should do so if only to verify the package still builds, no?
[17:46] <kandarpk> lfaraone: right.
[17:49] <ankurkhurana_> lfaraone,  can you answer about year that when we are not provideed with years then i should take it as 2010?
[17:49] <ankurkhurana_> i got disconnected :(
[17:49] <ankurkhurana_> in case you answered
[17:49] <lfaraone> ankurkhurana_: use "first release date of the package"/
[17:50] <ankurkhurana_> okay. and i do not have a debian/source folder
[17:50] <lfaraone> ankurkhurana_: you should create one.
[17:51] <ankurkhurana_> lfaraone,  thanks :)
[17:51] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir
[17:51] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[17:52] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: You were looking for me ?
[17:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: I would like you to work on Read and Pippy package after you complete your current set of packages.
[17:53] <manusheel> Please add your name.
[17:53] <manusheel> ankur: Around?
[17:53] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok, I worked on read before as well, so no problems
[17:54] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[17:54] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__ : Ankur, have you completed your set of packages?
[17:55] <ankurkhurana__> manusheel sir after the review i am changing my packages accordingly , there were some mistakes . So rectifying them.
[17:56] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__ : How long do you think it will take you to complete these tasks?
[17:56] <manusheel> An estimation only.
[17:56] <ankurkhurana__> I will be able to complete them today , in case some technical problem arise which i am not able to do by myself , by tommorow afternoon at max
[17:57] <manusheel> Ok, great.
[17:57] <manusheel> Let me assign you the next set of packages.
[17:58] <manusheel> ankur: You'll be working on Write and Record activity.
[17:58] <manusheel> i.e. packaging these activities.
[17:58] <ankurkhurana__> manusheel,  it will be great :0 . packaging can get bit monotone :)
[17:58] <ankurkhurana__> sir , i think neeraj have already packaged them as i talked to him last night
[17:58] <ankurkhurana__> he hasn't pushed them yet
[17:58] <ankurkhurana__> if not
[17:59] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__: Ok.
[17:59] <ankurkhurana__> i will push them up
[17:59] <manusheel> Sure.
[18:00] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__ : I would like you to get started on Sugar's human interface guidelines.
[18:00] <manusheel> Let me send you the link - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines
[18:00] <ankurkhurana__> will be glad to do so , sir you said you will send a link of the guidelines .
[18:00] <ankurkhurana__> okay , i am bit late :)
[18:01] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__ : I would like you to study them in detail. Once you are ready, we'll touch base with Gary on UI paradigm of Sugar.
[18:02] <manusheel> You'll be first solving UI bugs. Then working on feature enhancements.
[18:02] <ankurkhurana__> manusheel right sir . I will start working on them once i upload these packages .
[18:03] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__ : Sure. Please also confirm the current status of Read and Record activities.
[18:03] <ankurkhurana__> neeraj is here :)
[18:04] <manusheel> neeraj: Hi Neeraj.
[18:05] <neeraj> hi manusheel sir
[18:05] <neeraj> hi ankurkhurana__
[18:05] <manusheel> neeraj: What is the status of packaging of Read and Record activities?
[18:05] <manusheel> Have you submitted them for review?
[18:06] <neeraj> Sir just doing that.. got struck while filling ITP that day..
[18:06] <neeraj> ankur is helping me in that
[18:06] <manusheel> ankurkhurana__ : The next activity that I would like you to package after completing this set of activities is Paint.
[18:06] <manusheel> neeraj: Ok.
[18:07] <ankurkhurana__> manusheel,  will do it :)
[18:14] <manusheel> ankur: Thanks Ankur.
[18:15] <kandarpk> lfaraone: around ?
[18:15] <ankur> manusheel sir, for ?
[18:18] <manusheel> ankur: For starting with paint activity package. I am sure it is going to be an interesting effort.
[18:18] <manusheel> :-)
[18:19] <ankur> manusheel sir , thank you sir :) . i will be glad to do so .
[18:24] <kandarpk> lfaraone: getting error while pushing : http://pastebin.org/392283
[18:25] <lfaraone> kandarpk: did you pull in my changes before you started working?
[18:25] <kandarpk> lfaraone: yes
[18:25] <lfaraone> kandarpk: the "non-fast-forward" bit says otherwise.
[18:26] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I used
[18:26] <kandarpk> git pull git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-memorize-activity.git
[18:26] <kandarpk> before working
[18:26] <lfaraone> kandarpk: okay. run that command again now.
[18:27] <kandarpk> lfaraone: it says already upto date
[18:27] <kandarpk> From git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-memorize-activity
[18:27] <kandarpk>  * branch            HEAD       -> FETCH_HEAD
[18:27] <kandarpk> Already up-to-date.
[18:28] <lfaraone> kandarpk: I'm looking at http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-memorize-activity.git;a=summary, ant it appears your commits are there.
[18:28] <kandarpk> lfaraone: yes, commits are present
[18:29] <kandarpk> lfaraone: what errors were reported then ?
[18:29] <kandarpk> http://pastebin.org/392283
[18:29] <lfaraone> kandarpk: in pristine-tar and upstream.
[18:30] <lfaraone> kandarpk: "git pull git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-memorize-activity.git pristine-tar" then "git pull git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-memorize-activity.git  upstream"
[18:31] <kandarpk> lfaraone: do I need to push again after running the above two commands ?
[18:38] <lfaraone> kandarpk: you shouldn't since you didn't make changes.
[18:38] <lfaraone> kandarpk: but see if you still get the error.
[18:38]  * lfaraone will be back later.
[19:12] <ankur> dfarning,  one problem is coming in packaging
[19:13] <ankur> when i generate copyright_hints file
[19:13] <ankur> using
[19:13] <ankur> DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 fakeroot debian/rules pre-build
[19:13] <ankur> i am not able to open the copyright_hint file
[19:13] <ankur> Gedit says format not recognised
[19:14] <dfarning> ankur what is the result of ls -la
[19:15] <ankur> dfarning, http://paste.ubuntu.com/463093/
[19:15] <ankur> oops
[19:15] <ankur> i done it in aactivit folder
[19:15] <ankur> not in debian folder
[19:15] <ankur> where was i supposed to give that command in debian folder?
[19:16] <ankur> pasting that also
[19:16] <ankur> dfarning,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/463094/
[19:16] <ankur> this is in debian folder
[19:17] <dfarning> ankur I don't  see a copyright_hint file
[19:18] <ankur> dfarning,  one min , i will paste new one .
[19:19] <ankur> i might have deleted it while checking
[19:20] <ankur> dfarning,  i am not able to again create copyright_hints file
[19:20] <ankur> if you excuse me for some time
[19:20] <ankur> i will get back to you
[19:20] <dfarning> ankur sure
[19:23] <neeraj> dfarning, while submitting itp I made one mistake http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=5;bug=588949
[19:23] <neeraj> pls see ur inbox..
[19:24] <dfarning> neeraj, what is wrong with it?
[19:25] <neeraj> see the url part
[19:26] <dfarning> neeraj, Don't worry about that.  An ITP is just a notice that you send to the list to let others know you will be working on a particular package.
[19:27] <neeraj> dfarning, ok..
[19:28] <kandarpk> ankur: around ?
[19:28] <ankur> yes
[19:29] <kandarpk> ankur: how do we generate copyright_hint ?
[19:29] <dfarning> neeraj, and it is also a reminder.  If you let a ITP sit too long without completing the package, people will start to bug you:)
[19:29] <ankur> kandarpk,  DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE = 1 fakeroot debian/rules pre-build
[19:29] <ankur> then rename copyright_newhints file
[19:30] <ankur> to copyright_hints
[19:30] <ankur> kandarpk,  i learned this from reading the conversation between you and luke in logs :P
[19:30] <kandarpk> ankur:do we need to add pre-build to debian/rules ?
[19:30] <ankur> no
[19:30] <kandarpk> ok
[19:30] <ankur> everything is done autmatically
[19:30] <kandarpk> ok.
[19:30] <ankur> i want able to see where the arguement of pre-build go in rules file
[19:31] <ankur> may i didnt inspected it fully
[19:31] <ankur> kandarpk,  were you able to push your changes
[19:31] <kandarpk> yes
[19:31] <ankur> as i was getting same problem as you
[19:31] <ankur> of fast forwareded packages
[19:31] <ankur> that you just asked luke
[19:31] <kandarpk> Ok, I didnt try the same package again
[19:31] <ankur> did pulling from both and master and upstream worked
[19:31] <ankur> ?
[19:32] <ankur> okay
[19:32] <ankur> when you try
[19:32] <ankur> please do tell me
[19:32] <ankur> as
[19:32] <ankur> i pushed some package to git
[19:32] <kandarpk> ankur: I didn't push the same package again
[19:32] <ankur> kandarpk,  will ask you later then
[19:32] <ankur> what are you working on as of now?
[19:33] <kandarpk> ankur: correcting the packages I had pushed
[19:33] <ankur> kandarpk,  ok
[19:33] <kandarpk> poll, connect, memorize
[19:34] <ankur> kandarpk,  did you fully understand the conceot of copyrights?
[19:34] <ankur> i am confused int that
[19:34] <ankur> may you can help me out if you asked luke some of the same questions i wonder
[19:34] <kandarpk> ankur: I just list down all the files
[19:34] <kandarpk> nothing else
[19:34] <ankur> can you send me your copyright file after you work out your package
[19:34] <ankur> how do you do that?
[19:35] <ankur> any particular procedure
[19:35] <ankur> do you check all files personally
[19:35] <kandarpk> wait
[19:35] <ankur> ?
[19:36] <kandarpk> ankur
[19:36] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/463097/
[19:37] <ankur> kandarp try this
[19:37] <ankur> in your activity folder
[19:37] <ankur> licensecheck --r -copyright *
[19:37] <ankur> and do these match with copyright_hints
[19:37] <ankur> actually i was confused
[19:37] <ankur> because they show somewhat different things
[19:38] <ankur> and luke also said to make sure that we dont miss out on one
[19:38] <neeraj> dfarning, in control.in depends field $(python-abiword:Depends) will be fine?
[19:38] <ankur> file
[19:39] <ankur> kandarpk,  around?
[19:39] <kandarpk> ankur: yes
[19:39] <dfarning> neeraj, I think that you just need to replace EXTRA_DEPENDANCIES with python-abiword
[19:40] <neeraj> while building I used only python-abiword..
[19:40] <dfarning> neeraj, did it give and error.
[19:40] <neeraj> ok.. I was just trying to modify all file acco to lfaraone reviews to other packages
[19:41] <kandarpk> neeraj: its correct
[19:41] <dfarning> the ${...} is bash for a calling a variable.
[19:41] <kandarpk> python-abiword
[19:41] <kandarpk> just use this
[19:41] <ankur> dfarning,  so we use   ", python-abiword"
[19:42] <ankur> or " , ${python-abiword:Depends}"
[19:42] <ankur> or even EXTRADEPENDENCIES
[19:42] <dfarning> ankur, the firstone
[19:42] <kandarpk> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python-abiword, ${misc:Depends}
[19:42] <neeraj> dfarning, kandarpk I was just trying to modify it acco to this comment of lfaraone http://paste.ubuntu.com/463108/
[19:43] <neeraj> kandarpk, yes.. initially I used only this :)
[19:43] <ankur> neeraj,  that means that you have to give ' '(space) after
[19:43] <ankur> the ','
[19:43] <kandarpk> neeraj: you might have put commas in wrong places
[19:43] <ankur> dfarning,  copyright thing is still confusing . :(
[19:44] <dfarning> ankur i agree.
[19:44] <neeraj> kandarpk, I am not getting ny error.. I am just asking whether that method is correct or not..
[19:44] <neeraj> anyways.. leave it as of now :)
[19:44] <kandarpk> neeraj: put commas in correct places
[19:44] <kandarpk> I think rest all is fine
[19:49] <ankur> dfarning,  can you help me find the correct version of paint
[19:49] <ankur> :)
[19:49] <ankur> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4082
[19:50] <ankur> here it says 27
[19:50] <ankur> and i cannot find any other info abt version
[19:50] <ankur> dfarning,  got it in activity.info
[19:50] <ankur> it is 27
[19:51] <ankur> i will be proced with it . It will be right ? , just confirming though
[19:53] <dfarning> ankur I belive so.... just to be on the safe side please send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and Ashita Dadlani<EMAIL_ADDRESS>they are the current maintainers of paint.
[19:53] <ankur> well that git is maintained by Manusheel sir, wont he know
[19:53] <ankur> ?
[19:55] <kandarpk> dfarning, ankur, neeraj : good night
[19:55] <ankur> kandarpk, good night
[19:55] <dfarning> ankur manusheel passed maintains off to the two people I just listed above:)  he has not had time to hack for a while
[19:55] <dfarning> kandarpk, good night and thanks
[19:55] <neeraj> kandarpk, good night
[19:55] <ankur> dfarning,  i will send a mail to Ashita then.
[19:56] <kandarpk> dfarning: dont say that, feels embarrassing
[20:00] <neeraj> ankur, what change should I make in copyright file?
[20:01] <ankur> neeraj , well what i do was to run thin sommand
[20:01] <ankur> *command
[20:01] <ankur> DEB_MAINTAINER_MODE=1 fakeroot debian/rules pre-build
[20:01] <ankur> then it lists all the copyright holder name
[20:01] <ankur> i copied them from terminal in proper forma
[20:01] <ankur> t
[20:01] <neeraj> ok
[20:02] <ankur> thought i have to confirm about this from luke that if i follow this procedure i will follow in right side of rule
[20:05] <ankur> i have sent Ashita a mail to confirm though
[20:05] <ankur> i wil find if bert is available at this or not. :)
[20:06] <ankur> dfarning,  he is not available as of now.Shall i send a mail to him as of now as i need to confirm about it's version as well
[20:09] <dfarning> ankur yes, and just introduce yourself devs like to know the people who package their work.
[20:10] <ankur> well what will be the proper way of introduction ? if you dont mind
[20:12] <dfarning> ankur Hi, i am packaging paint for debain and ubuntu.  I just wanted to say hello:)
[20:12] <ankur> dfarning,  i will compose a mail and send it to you and and again send it  to Bert after you nod on it. :)
[20:13] <dfarning> ankur sure
[20:22] <ankur> dfarning,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/463125/
[20:22] <ankur> Does it require any changes ?
[20:23] <dfarning> ankur looks good
[20:23] <ankur> dfarning,  then i am sending it :)
[20:32] <ankur> df
[20:32] <ankur> dfarning,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/463129/
[20:32] <ankur> again the copyright_hint file error
[20:32] <ankur> i produced it by method luke told
[20:34] <dfarning> ankur try 'less copyright_hint'
[20:34] <ankur> it worked
[20:34] <ankur> but is less an editor
[20:34] <ankur> ?
[20:35] <ankur> dfarning,  i will fix the copyright issue of all the packages later when luke returns tommorow
[20:35] <ankur> as of now it is bit confusing
[20:35] <dfarning> ankur rather then gedit I suggest that you get in the habit of using vim.
[20:36] <dfarning> ankur it is a little confusing to learn.... but very fast to make quick edits.
[20:36] <ankur> dfarning,  i know that vi is used by most of the core developers
[20:36] <ankur> i tried to learn it but then gedit seemed mush easier
[20:36] <ankur> dfarning,  i will learn
[20:36] <dfarning> ankur great
[20:36] <dfarning> ankur great
[20:37] <ankur> will start working on vim :)
[20:37] <ankur> dfarning,   i was little confused by packaging commands so i created some scripts to help me out :)
[20:38] <ankur> it works wonder
[20:38] <dfarning> ankur very nice.  a nice library of personal scripts is incredibably handy.
[20:44] <ankur> dfarning,  i will be waiting for bert and ashita reply
[20:44] <ankur> and put them in queue as well tommorow
[20:44] <ankur> i have uploaded other activities as of now
[20:44] <ankur> will learn more abt copyright tomorrow from luke
[20:44] <ankur> good night
[21:10] <lfaraone> dfarning: so, anything else on the docket for reviews? right now I have log and flipsticks (re-review) in the queue. aside from that, I'm working on python-elements so we can get physics in.
[21:13] <neeraj> lfaraone, I will push write activity now..
[21:14] <dfarning> neeraj, nice.
[21:14] <neeraj> lfaraone, dfarning please see this http://paste.ubuntu.com/463146/
[21:14] <dfarning> lfaraone, and several people have expressed confusion about copyrights....  Could you clarify that with neeraj?
[21:15] <neeraj> If I have tried my best to make changes as per lfaraone reviews to packages push by other members
[21:19] <neeraj> dfarning, did u tried the record activity on ur lucid?
[21:19] <dfarning> neeraj, no not yet.  did you send it to me and I missed it?
[21:21] <neeraj> yes i sent that on the same day when I packaged write
[21:21] <neeraj> lemme send u again
[21:32] <dfarning> neeraj, awesome both write and record worked on lucid.
[21:33] <dfarning> neeraj, did lfaraone help you with http://paste.ubuntu.com/463146/
[21:34] <neeraj> I think he is not around.. Now i m creating a repository for sugar-write-activity
[21:35] <dfarning> neeraj, nice work.
[21:35] <neeraj> he can review it and tell me the changes which are required
[21:47] <neeraj> dfarning, approximately after how much time sugar-write-activity repository will be available on git?
[21:47] <dfarning> Should be just a few minutes.
[21:48] <dfarning> neeraj, ^^
[21:48] <neeraj> dfarning, ok


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[00:45] <therethinker> I'm truly surprised its alive
[00:45] <therethinker> The "angelbot" is even dead >_>
[00:46] <tgm4883> Woohoo for 20,000
[00:47] <therethinker> Downloads?
[00:48] <therethinker> (I'm not coming back, I just wanted to try to keep mythbot alive :P
[00:49] <rhpot1991> anyone ever have any problems with hard drives running real slow?
[00:49] <rhpot1991> Timing buffered disk reads:   26 MB in  3.27 seconds =   7.95 MB/sec
[00:49] <tgm4883> mine run slow
[00:49] <rhpot1991> its strange, that is a PATA but ubuntu is giving it sda
[00:50] <solarbaby> my system boots up in less then a minute
[00:50] <rhpot1991> so I can't do anything with hdparm
[00:50] <solarbaby> so I figure my hard drive speed is fine
[00:50] <rhpot1991> but on my other box I have 3 drives:
[00:50] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, use sdparm
[00:50] <rhpot1991> PATA there is ~40, one SATA is ~40 and another SATA is ~60
[00:51] <rhpot1991> sdparm doesn't seem to be of any help, I can't find any way tof enabling 32bit IO with it
[00:51] <rhpot1991> and dma is already enabled on that slow drive
[00:52] <rhpot1991> also the slower sata is 16bit IO, and the faster one is 32
[00:53] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[00:53] <therethinker> (ignore that)
[00:53] <therethinker> bye, again!
[00:55] <rhpot1991> tmg4883: do you know that sdparm can actually do that?
[00:56] <rhpot1991> I keep seeing people randomly saying use sdparm, but there is no documentation saying it can do that, and nothing but a random "use sdparm" then a dead thread
[01:01] <tritium> where does mythtv keep logs of why it deletes recorded programs, etc.
[01:01] <tritium> ?
[01:30] <MythbuntuGuest66> drive partitioning quick cd 7.10 question
[01:30] <tgm4883> $ask
[01:31] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:31] <MythbuntuGuest66> i have 2 drives, 120 ide, 320 ide, I want to lvm both, whats the best way to install.
[01:32] <MythbuntuGuest66> a new system, nothing on the system yet
[01:32] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:32] <tgm4883> do you know how to setup LVM from the command line?
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest66> i installed the first time using the defaul, second time, use the "entire disk" selection. and set up a lvm .
[01:33] <MythbuntuGuest66> but not sure if this is the best way. I was thinking the os on a 50 gig partition, and the "storage" for music, shows, dvds, on the lvm
[01:34] <MythbuntuGuest66> i really like the this distribution better than mythdora
[01:34] <tgm4883> whoa
[01:34] <tgm4883> is this just a standalone frontend/backend?
[01:34] <MythbuntuGuest66> yes,
[01:34] <tgm4883> ok
[01:34] <tgm4883> 50 gigs is way too much
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest66> so like 20 gig for the os? and rest for lvm storage stuff?
[01:35] <tgm4883> i'd do 15GB for /, 1GB for swap, and the rest for storage
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest66> k
[01:35] <MythbuntuGuest66> i like that.
[01:36] <tgm4883> IMO, 15 is too much too, but i wouldn't quabble over that
[01:36] <rhpot1991> tmg4883: see what I asked about sdparm?
[01:36] <tgm4883> no
[01:36] <tgm4883> probably cause my name is tgm4883, not tmg4883
[01:36] <MythbuntuGuest66> so sounds like a custom install, and then do a manual lvm create for the "storage,
[01:36] <rhpot1991> I haven't seen any evidence that sdparm can change IO to 32bit
[01:36] <tgm4883> so your comment doesn't get lit up
[01:36] <rhpot1991> I read the man and scoured the internet, just a bunch of "use sdparm" threads that are all dead ends
[01:37] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, i'll admit, thats where I saw it too.  I just figured that sdparm was the scsi version of hdparm
[01:37] <rhpot1991> its apparently similiar, but not the same
[01:37] <rhpot1991> and my bad about the name
[01:37] <rhpot1991> odly, I rebooted that box that was under 10mb/s
[01:38] <rhpot1991> and its just under 40 now
[01:38] <morphinex> MythbuntuGuest66: I think that some filesystems can't be expanded/shrunk, so you might want to consider that too
[01:38] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, dont' worry about the name.  Just remember it in the future if you want a quicker answer :)
[01:38] <rhpot1991> LVM is the way to go
[01:39] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, i'd setup a command line only system, then setup LVM, then install mythbuntu
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest66> thx morph. i did like how mythdora created the lvm on the install
[01:39] <MythbuntuGuest66> is the ubuntu distro going to include this in the future for lvm?
[01:39] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, It will be in the alternate installer
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest66> ? whats alternate installer?
[01:40] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, did Mythdora use a graphical installer or a text installer?
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest66> gui
[01:40] <tgm4883> text
[01:40] <morphinex> MythbuntuGuest66: yeah, fedora handles that better, but what can you do
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest66> ahh. ok.
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest66> has anyone ported the late mythtivo plugin to the latest mythtv ? I really like that plugin.
[01:42] <morphinex> I'm pretty sure you can expand and shrink ext3, but I don't know about, say, jfs or xfs
[01:42] <MythbuntuGuest66> would be really nice to have included in the distro
[01:42] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, officially no
[01:42] <rhpot1991> damn
[01:42] <rhpot1991> on my dual sata box
[01:42] <rhpot1991> I swapped the sata plugs
[01:42] <rhpot1991> and apparenlty the 2nd port pulls 60, but the first only pulls 40
[01:43] <rhpot1991> ever see anything like that before?
[01:44] <rhpot1991> I'd imagine they would both be using the same driver
[01:44] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, bios setting maybe?
[01:44] <rhpot1991> what kind of setting are you thinking?
[01:45] <tgm4883> idk, i know there are a few setting though for that sort of thing.  Maybe one that limits speed?  Or a legacy mode?
[01:45] <rhpot1991> I'll poke around
[01:51] <MythbuntuGuest66> tmg, im installing it again, ill give it a whirl
[01:54] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, well if you can set it up from the command line, (and want to do it that way), you will need a different disk to install the command line system
[01:55] <rhpot1991> hmmm apparently one of these are randomly in a striped raid array by itself
[01:55] <rhpot1991> and the other is free
[01:55] <tgm4883> strange
[01:55]  * rhpot1991 wonders how that happened
[01:55] <rhpot1991> they are both in an LVM
[01:55] <rhpot1991> so its not like I need a raid array
[01:57] <rhpot1991> got a recording coming up so this has to hold on now
[01:58] <rhpot1991> think bad things will happen to my data if I delete that raid array?
[01:59]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[02:00] <rhpot1991> there isn't any overhead of being the first HD in a LVM right?
[02:00] <tgm4883> i don't *think* anything bad will happen, but im not sure.  I think you should look for a more firm answer if your worried about your data
[02:00] <rhpot1991> this is going to be one of those nights where I break something and stay up till 4am fixing it
[02:01] <tgm4883> I live for those nights :)
[02:01] <tgm4883> I've learned more about computer by breaking them then I ever did in any class :)
[02:01] <rhpot1991> completely agreed
[02:01] <rhpot1991> do you run a LVM?
[02:01] <tgm4883> not anymore
[02:02] <MythbuntuGuest66> is there a gui LVM and Partition Manager available? is it worth running
[02:03] <rhpot1991> I recall words about running LVM inside a raid array, not sure what course I should go with my screwed up system now
[02:03] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest66: I've only ever used the ubuntu alternate install cd for LVM
[02:03] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest66, the only one I know of (and use) is webmin. And I use that on my backend system
[02:03] <tgm4883> err
[02:04] <tgm4883> on my slave backend which is also a fileserver
[02:04] <tgm4883> it has a lvm module, but I dont use it anymore
[02:05] <MythbuntuGuest66> question, is webmin installed by default? or does it have to be added?
[02:05] <MythbuntuGuest66> next q, laternate install cd ? where do you get it?
[02:07] <tgm4883> webmin is available in a .deb from webmin.com
[02:07] <tgm4883> and the alternate cd i speak of is the Ubuntu Alternate cd, and it is available from Ubuntu.com
[02:08] <rhpot1991> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[02:08] <rhpot1991> there is a checkbox saying:
[02:08] <rhpot1991> Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.
[02:08] <tgm4883> and im not sure, maybe rhpot1991 can help with this
[02:08] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, does the alternate CD install and setup LVM for you?
[02:09] <rhpot1991> it can
[02:09] <rhpot1991> if you tell it to
[02:09] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:09] <tgm4883> so you might not even need webmin
[02:09] <rhpot1991> well you kinda have to guide it, IIRC
[02:09] <rhpot1991> you need to create the LVM, then add drives to it
[02:09] <rhpot1991> fairly straight forward
[02:09] <tgm4883> yep.  Sounds the same as webmin
[02:10] <rhpot1991> there are some words here:
[02:10] <tgm4883> so i think i would just do it from that cd.
[02:10] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID
[02:10] <rhpot1991> if you already have a working system
[02:10] <tgm4883> no need to install software you don't need
[02:10] <rhpot1991> just ignore the raid stuff
[03:24] <chuk1> does mythbackend.log get purged at any point?
[03:27] <tgm4883> chuk1, i belive it only keeps a certain number of days
[03:29] <chuk1> thanks, any idea how/where that is handled?
[03:32] <tgm4883> nope :)
[03:50] <levander> Newbie question.  What's the point of creating a separate distribution for MythTV when the myth packages are already in the Canonical archives?  Why not just jazz up the Myth installation when you install the packages?  Why do you need a separate distribution?
[03:51] <superm1_> levander, you realize that the development for all of this happens directly in the ubuntu archives
[03:51] <superm1_> and by the same folks who maintain mythtv in the archives....
[03:51] <tgm4883> :)
[03:52] <levander> superm1_: So, why have they split it out into a separate distribution?  Why don't they just play with their myth packages?
[03:52] <superm1_> the idea is to make it into an "appliance" setup, that is minimalistic and only installs the required items
[03:52] <superm1_> levander, "they" is me tgm4883 and a few others :)
[03:52] <levander> superm1_: Okay, I guess that part just doesn't apply to my specific situation.  But, that's a valid rationale.
[03:52] <levander> I'm not saying it shouldn't be done this way, I'm just asking why it is.
[03:53] <levander> So, if I'm going to install xubuntu on my Myth box anyway, what's the advantage of installing Mythbuntu over Xubuntu?
[03:53] <tgm4883> levander, why release Ubuntu?  Just install Debian and the packages that you want :)
[03:53] <superm1_> levander, see that's the thing, you can go and add it to xubuntu
[03:54] <superm1_> look at mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[03:54] <tgm4883> better yet, why install Debian.    Keep in mind those are meta-packages so the installed packages differ
[03:57] <levander> superm1_: exactly Luna bars, or exactly chamoille tea?
[03:57] <tgm4883> ie, mythbuntu doesn't install extra unneeeded items like overoffice
[03:57] <superm1_> the big advantages really do come in the installer though too
[03:57] <superm1_> you'll have to run it to see what we mean
[03:57] <tgm4883> superm1_, +1
[03:57] <tgm4883> although the real pudding is MCC
[03:58] <tgm4883> mmmm pudding :)
[03:58] <levander> Okay, I think I'm gonna go with Mythbuntu, there's a chance I'd want to get involved in development, and from what I've read, Mythbuntu is looking for more people...
[03:58] <levander> What's MCC? Control Center?
[03:58] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-control-centre
[03:58] <rhpot1991> speaking of MCC, the optimize database checkbox, does that add the command to crontab or what?
[03:58] <levander> mcc gets installed when you install mythbuntu-desktop, right?
[03:59] <rhpot1991> I already had it in my user's crontab, and I'm not sure if I should comment it out or if they are pointing at the same thing
[03:59] <tgm4883> yes, although I believe the preferred way to install is to grab MCC, then select the type of system you want in that
[03:59] <superm1_> levander, yes we can use as much help as we can get
[03:59] <superm1_> our list of specs is starting to grow very large
[03:59] <tgm4883> very very large
[03:59] <tgm4883> cause there is just so many great ideas :)
[04:00] <levander> superm1_: Cool, I know python (which I understand a lot of myth is written in) and I'm definitely interested in Myth.  We'll see how much time I have after I've installed it and played with it awhile.
[04:00] <superm1_> tgm4883, i might propose a spec or two for UDS here, would you be able to call into it?
[04:00] <superm1_> levander, okay sounds good
[04:00] <tgm4883> call into what?
[04:00] <superm1_> into the UDS meeting
[04:00] <tgm4883> when?
[04:00] <superm1_> i'm not sure yet
[04:01] <superm1_> Daviey probably would be able to
[04:01] <levander> superm1_: Just while I'm mulling it over while I'm playing with it, what development skills are yall interested in?
[04:01] <superm1_> levander, python is the big one.
[04:01] <levander> superm1_: Any others?
[04:01] <superm1_> levander, but once you see the list of specs, you'll see that they aren't all python
[04:01] <tgm4883> superm1_, let me invite you to my calendar
[04:01] <superm1_> they reach over alot of areas
[04:01] <levander> superm1_: What UI libraries do yall use?  GTK? wxWindows?
[04:02] <superm1_> levander, as of right now its all pyGTK for the custom GUI stuff we do
[04:02] <superm1_> but at least one spec is goign to be leaning towards a more complex libmythui
[04:02] <levander> I imagine I'd just be fixing bugs or rolling packages initally, so maybe worrying about what UI library is jumping ahead anyway.
[04:02] <superm1_> that is in use for general myth stuff
[04:02] <superm1_> levander, yeah get things working for yourself first (which hopefully shouldn't be much of trouble), and then you can join our dev meeting
[04:02] <tgm4883> superm1_, you should be able to see my google calendar now if you search for me
[04:02] <levander> superm1_: Would libmythui be written on top of PyGTK?
[04:02] <superm1_> actually that'd be really ideal
[04:03] <superm1_> our meeting is this upcoming sunday
[04:03] <superm1_> we're assigning specs and reviewing all the proposed specs and such
[04:03] <tgm4883> levander, FYI, next meeting is sunday
[04:03] <levander> superm1_: Maybe, it's something I'm interested in, I may lurk in the meeting..
[04:03] <levander> How often are the meetings?
[04:03] <tgm4883> levander, if you PM me your email, I can add you to the list for invites
[04:03] <superm1_> levander, libmythui is in C++ actually, it will take a very very large effort to do the thing we have planned for it too
[04:03] <superm1_> but we can discuss that later
[04:04] <levander> superm1_: Yall should write a paper or something, no way you're gonna get people interested if they don't have some place to look and see what the hell you're doing.  And yeah, I know C++, although it's been a few years since I've developed in it heavily.
[04:05] <superm1_> levander, yeah that's probably a good idea once we get all the specs sorted out to at least link to them in launchpad from our homepage
[04:05] <superm1_> we'll handle that during our meeting
[04:05] <superm1_> and cleaning up the "getting involved" page
[04:05] <tgm4883> superm1_, what time did we say the meeting was on sunday (in your time)
[04:05] <tgm4883> or my time
[04:06] <superm1_> tgm4883, whatever is on the calendar will be fine with me
[04:06] <tgm4883> ok
[04:06] <superm1_> i should be around all of sunday
[04:06] <tgm4883> it's 12:00pm sunday PST
[04:06] <tgm4883> so i'll shoot it out now
[04:06] <levander> superm1_: Mark Shuttleworth did a brilliant interview a few weeks ago where in one part they talk about what it takes to get people involved in an open source project: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/04/open_season_four_shuttleworth/
[04:07] <rhpot1991> superm1_: any interest in adding the export to ipod script to the contrib folder?  It works in ubuntu with slight modification
[04:07] <levander> PST? Most of you guys are in California?
[04:07] <tgm4883> no
[04:07] <tgm4883> just me
[04:07] <superm1_> rhpot1991, there are some specs about an ipod setup already out there
[04:07] <superm1_> so yes :)
[04:07] <rhpot1991> got a link?
[04:07] <superm1_> tgm4883, you know its crazy that we got more visitors since release from alaska and hawaii than montana?
[04:08] <superm1_> that and colorado has exactly 404 visitors
[04:08] <tgm4883> well i don't think moose have internet access ;)
[04:08] <levander> tgm4883: I'm thinking I'm gonna go, but my current plans are just to lurk.  Get the drift of what's going on.
[04:08] <superm1_> levander, okay lurk in -dev actually if your gonna look for dev related stuff
[04:08] <superm1_> this is more for a user support channel
[04:09] <superm1_> i'm gonna get to bed though, gotta be up for another day of UDS tomorrow :)
[04:09] <superm1_> rhpot1991, blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[04:09] <superm1_> its in there
[04:09] <superm1_> night all
[04:09] <rhpot1991> night
[04:10] <tgm4883> ok, i just sent the invite
[04:10] <tgm4883> apparently I didn't send any of the invites for that meeting
[04:10] <tgm4883> superm1_, dont' forget to set your clock back this weekend
[04:11] <rhpot1991> can I leave comments on the blueprint if I sign up?
[04:11] <tgm4883> i'm not sure how google calendar works that
[04:11] <tgm4883> yes
[04:11] <rhpot1991> I'll do that and post what I did, I just generate the video the scp it to a sever for a friend who flies a lot
[04:14] <tgm4883> therethinker, ping
[04:16] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, are you interested in development?  I can add you to the invite list to notify you of upcoming meetings and events
[04:16] <rhpot1991> I'd be interested, but I've never worked on any open source project before
[04:17] <pcglue> superm1_, tgm4883: are you guys mythtv developers?  or mythtv for ubuntu devs?
[04:17] <tgm4883> well i can always add you.  It's not like were going to cut off your index fingers if you decide against it
[04:17] <tgm4883> pcglue, mythtv for ubuntu
[04:17] <tgm4883> and mythbuntu
[04:17] <rhpot1991> heh, sure go ahead
[04:17] <tgm4883> pm me your email
[04:18] <rhpot1991> gotta register first it seems
[04:18] <tgm4883> yep
[04:18] <tgm4883> must register to pm
[04:18] <tgm4883> pcglue, are you looking for us or for mythtv devs?
[04:19] <rhpot1991> hmmm do you use bitchx by any chance?
[04:19] <tgm4883> xchat
[04:20] <pcglue> i think mythtv devs
[04:20] <pcglue> well, i'm trying to get ivtv-fb working with gutsy
[04:20] <tgm4883> pcglue, did you have a question?
[04:20] <pcglue> I have a pvr-350 and have X working on its tv-out, but not playback
[04:21] <rhpot1991> get that tgm4883?
[04:21] <tgm4883> yep
[04:21] <tgm4883> sec
[04:22] <rhpot1991> pcglue: did you check the "use pvr350 for output" box?
[04:22] <tgm4883> ok, you should have an invite now
[04:23] <pcglue> rhpot1991, yes i did
[04:23] <pcglue> it says "Unable to initialize video" when I try to playback a recording or watch live TV
[04:24] <superm1_> pcglue, try installing ivtv-utils
[04:24] <rhpot1991> try to 'modprobe ivtv-fb' also
[04:24] <rhpot1991> then try to watch
[04:24] <rhpot1991> gonna have to do that as sudo
[04:25] <superm1_> although http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/36980 comes to mind
[04:25] <superm1_> so that may be the underlying issue
[04:25] <superm1_> if installing ivtv-utils doesn't solve the problem, then please post in the thread about this ongoing issue, and we can see about adding that patch.
[04:25]  * superm1_ really goes to bed
[04:26] <tgm4883> nn
[04:26] <rhpot1991> I had my pvr350 outputting a few weeks back, but dumped it for an nvidia card
[04:27] <pcglue> i think ivtv-fb is already loaded, although i did the modprobe again
[04:27] <pcglue> and when i do lsmod, ivtv_fb shows up
[04:27] <pcglue> does that mean it's good?
[04:29] <rhpot1991> should be loaded then
[04:29] <pcglue> what does ivtv-utils do?  do I just install it or do I need to run something after?
[04:31] <rhpot1991> honestly not sure, I haven't played with it since feisty
[04:31] <MythbuntuGuest63> Hey.
[04:31] <superm1_> pcglue, just install it.  if it works great, if not i'm pushing that patch to my PPA right now.  please post in the bug with your results, and i'll give you the URL to the ppa tomorrow after its built if its necessary okay?
[04:32]  * superm1_ really goes back to bug
[04:32] <superm1_> *bed
[04:32] <pcglue> superm1_: OK, thanks
[04:37] <MythbuntuGuest63> Hey
[04:37] <rhpot1991> whats up?
[04:37] <Duco> I'm wodering
[04:37] <Duco> I have two hard drives- Could I add the second one, 60GB, and have recordings on BOTH?
[04:38] <Duco> I'd like to be able to extend it so I have more space.
[04:38] <rhpot1991> ya, LVM will allow the 2 to act as one
[04:38] <rhpot1991> !LVM
[04:38] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:39] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID might help too
[04:39] <Duco> Alright
[04:39] <Duco> Second question
[04:39] <Duco> well
[04:39] <Duco> this is much more
[04:39] <Duco> involved
[04:39] <Duco> my hap, 350 remote wont work.
[04:41] <rhpot1991> how did you configure it?
[04:41] <Duco> well
[04:41] <Duco> i dunno
[04:42] <Duco> just used the myth config
[04:42] <Duco> tried all 3 hap
[04:42] <Duco> didnt work
[04:42] <Duco> my friend had me make sure the remote and reciver were working
[04:42] <Duco> it picked up signals
[04:42] <rhpot1991> if you irw it gets button presses?
[04:42] <Duco> yep
[04:43] <rhpot1991> are you running mythbuntu or ubuntu with mythtv installed?
[04:43] <Duco> mythbuntu
[04:44] <tgm4883> sounds like a .lircrc problem
[04:44] <rhpot1991> see if you have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:44] <rhpot1991> ya it does
[04:44] <Duco> how do I see that?
[04:44] <rhpot1991> I haven't used MCC to setup my remote though...
[04:44]  * Duco is a linux n00b
[04:44] <rhpot1991> in termal go 'vi ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:44] <rhpot1991> '
[04:44] <tgm4883> Duco, can you get to terminal
[04:44] <Duco> yep
[04:45] <tgm4883> do the above
[04:45] <rhpot1991> actually do nano, not vi
[04:45]  * tgm4883 prefers nano
[04:45] <Duco> alright
[04:45] <Duco> totally balnk
[04:45] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 is nano installed there?
[04:45] <Duco> blank*
[04:45] <tgm4883> should be
[04:45] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:45] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 can you coach him through getting one, or should I pastebin mine?
[04:46] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, do you have that remote?
[04:46] <rhpot1991> ya
[04:46] <Duco> if i do nano
[04:46] <Duco> it works
[04:46] <tgm4883> lets try pastebin first
[04:46] <Duco> I see all the stuff
[04:46] <rhpot1991> pvr350 happauge grey right?
[04:46] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:46] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, sec
[04:46] <tgm4883> Duco, there is stuff in the file?
[04:47] <tgm4883> can you pastebin it?
[04:47] <rhpot1991> yep one second
[04:47] <Duco> yes, the gray
[04:47] <rhpot1991> !pastebin
[04:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:47] <Duco> there is stuff in it
[04:47] <tgm4883> also, can you pastebin the output of ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:47] <Duco> hold on a minute
[04:48] <Duco> im not on that machine, need to open firefox.
[04:48] <rhpot1991> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42655/
[04:48] <tgm4883> Duco, can you ssh into that machine?
[04:48] <rhpot1991> I'll put it somewhere he can wget it
[04:49] <Duco> How would I SSH into it? Its on my network. Running vista on this machine.
[04:49] <rhpot1991> http://www.baablogic.net/lircrc
[04:49] <tgm4883> !putty
[04:49] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[04:50] <rhpot1991> !winscp
[04:50] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[04:50] <rhpot1991> is also useful
[04:50] <Duco> I have putty
[04:50] <Duco> now what?
[04:51] <rhpot1991> type the ip of your mythbox in there
[04:51] <Duco> Not entirely sure what that is off the top of my head.
[04:51] <rhpot1991> do you know it?
[04:51] <rhpot1991> go to the mythbox, in a terminal type "sudo ifconfig"
[04:52] <rhpot1991> gonna be under eth0 if its wired
[04:52] <rhpot1991> or wlan0 (maybe) if its wireless
[04:52] <Duco> says not found
[04:52] <Duco> ernvm
[04:52] <Duco> keyed it wrong
[04:52] <Duco> alright
[04:53] <Duco> alright
[04:53] <Duco> im in
[04:53] <Duco> what do I do now?
[04:54] <rhpot1991> run: ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:54] <rhpot1991> and paste the output into pastebin
[04:54] <tgm4883> well you can post that here
[04:55] <tgm4883> cause it should only be one line
[04:55] <tgm4883> but post the .lircrc file in pastebin
[04:56] <Duco> duconihilum@ducodihilum-desktop:/$ ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:56] <tgm4883> heh
[04:56] <Duco> ls: /home/duconihilum/.mythtv/lircrc: No such file or directory
[04:56] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 does mythbuntu create a mythtv user, or do they specify their username?
[04:56] <tgm4883> is ducodihilum-desktop your mythbuntu box?
[04:57] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no mythtv user, the user is specified during install
[04:57] <Duco> yes it is
[04:57] <tgm4883> Duco, do you have multiple users on that box?
[04:58] <Duco> ah you know what
[04:58] <Duco> i just forgot,
[04:58] <Duco> i tried to change it, spelled the name wrong....
[04:58] <Duco> it is installed on dihilum
[04:58] <Duco> i changed it to nihilum
[04:59]  * rhpot1991 is confused
[04:59] <Duco> The username I put in when I installed it was wrong.
[05:00] <Duco> I went into users and changed the username and home directory to the correct name.
[05:00] <Duco> I mispelled my name.
[05:00] <Duco> Should I change it back?
[05:00] <rhpot1991> type 'cd /home/'
[05:00] <Duco> k
[05:00] <rhpot1991> ls, and what is listed there?
[05:01] <Duco> ducodihilum  mythtv  ubuntu
[05:02] <rhpot1991> type 'locate lircrc'
[05:02] <Duco> lots of text
[05:03] <rhpot1991> locate lircrc |grep /home
[05:03] <Duco> lots of text again
[05:04] <rhpot1991> put it in pastebin
[05:04] <rhpot1991> then link in here, brb
[05:06] <Duco> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42656/
[05:11] <DucoNihilum_> rhpot1991 are you there?
[05:19] <DucoNihilum> Hello, anyone in here?
[05:20] <tgm4883> DucoNihilum, where did you get lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt from
[05:20] <DucoNihilum> I have no idea.
[05:21] <DucoNihilum> Just picked the option on mythtv...
[05:23] <DucoNihilum> Any idea?
[05:23] <rhpot1991> sorry, made a mess and decided running roomba at 1:30 in the morning was a good idea
[05:23] <rhpot1991> he has lircrc's
[05:24] <DucoNihilum> Still here
[05:24] <DucoNihilum> New SN
[05:24] <rhpot1991> ls -la ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:24] <rhpot1991> says not found?
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> yeah
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> but that might be because of the whole username problem.
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> I changed my username and 'home' directory, might have messed something up, should I fix that?
[05:25] <rhpot1991> ya, you are signed on as a different name than that home dir
[05:25] <rhpot1991> make them match
[05:25] <pcglue> on my install, mythtv uses /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:25] <DucoNihilum> how?
[05:26] <rhpot1991> mine too, but I have symlinks to /home/john just incase
[05:26] <tgm4883> pcglue, when did you install?
[05:26] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 duco has a mythtv user too apparently
[05:27] <pcglue> a few months ago, on feisty
[05:27] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, as he should
[05:27] <pcglue> i upgraded yesterday to gutsy and playback stopped working on pvr-350's tv out
[05:27] <tgm4883> but AFAIK, you can't do anything with that user
[05:27] <rhpot1991> in my box its just for the auto login
[05:28] <rhpot1991> but that user needs lirc files and all, which his has
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> ok
[05:28] <rhpot1991> DucoNihilum are you running the frontend yourself, or is it automagically running?
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> i tried signing on root
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> ls: /root/.mythtv/lircrc: No such file or directory
[05:28] <rhpot1991> why /root?
[05:28] <DucoNihilum> root@ducodihilum-desktop:/home# ls -la ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:29] <DucoNihilum> I just changed the username back to what it was before
[05:29] <DucoNihilum> when i installed it
[05:29] <DucoNihilum> how do i get onto that username?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> do you have gnome or something else?
[05:30] <DucoNihilum> got it
[05:30] <DucoNihilum> -rw-r--r-- 1 ducodihilum ducodihilum 11918 2007-10-29 22:09 /home/ducodihilum/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:30] <DucoNihilum> thats what happens when I put that in
[05:31] <DucoNihilum> what you asked me to
[05:32] <rhpot1991> hmmm that looks good
[05:32] <rhpot1991> are you sitting at that box now?
[05:32] <tgm4883> just a quick question
[05:32] <DucoNihilum> yes
[05:32] <tgm4883> does it happen to work now that you have renamed your user
[05:32] <DucoNihilum> no, it didnt work before i renamed it
[05:32] <tgm4883> k
[05:32] <tgm4883> just thought i'd check
[05:33] <rhpot1991> type mythfrontend in a terminal
[05:33] <rhpot1991> and try it
[05:35] <DucoNihilum> one sec
[05:36] <DucoNihilum> alright
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> its half working again
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> some buttons dont work
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> though
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> channel up
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> channel down
[05:37] <DucoNihilum> etc
[05:37] <rhpot1991> do or don't?
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> do not
[05:38] <alpaca> heyo
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> most buttons aren't working
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> in fact
[05:38] <DucoNihilum> channel buttons work, like 1 2 3
[05:40] <DucoNihilum> Any way to get the other buttons working
[05:40] <DucoNihilum> though?
[05:40] <rhpot1991> start hacking your lircrc file
[05:40] <tgm4883> yep
[05:40] <rhpot1991> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42655/
[05:40] <rhpot1991> is mine
[05:40] <alpaca> honestly I forget these commands every damn time - could someone tell me the commands i need to run from terminal to upgrade my system from the alpha builds?
[05:40] <rhpot1991> most of the buttons work, though I'm not sure the top row of buttons does anything
[05:40] <tgm4883> $upgrade
[05:40] <mythbot> Upgrade instructions are here   http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads
[05:41] <tgm4883> alpaca, ^^^
[05:41] <DucoNihilum> how do i hack those commands?
[05:41] <alpaca> thanks tgm4883 ;)
[05:41] <rhpot1991> tgm4883 any bright ideas for how I can figure out which hard drive files are on in my LVM?
[05:41] <DucoNihilum> How would I do that?
[05:42] <rhpot1991> vi ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:42] <rhpot1991> or nano instead, easier to use
[05:44] <alpaca> ok so I read the upgrade instructions, however they said nothing of the terminal commands to upgrade
[05:44] <rhpot1991> are you looking for sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade?
[05:44] <alpaca> last time i upgraded was when schedules direct became the new tv listing source
[05:45] <alpaca> yes
[05:45] <tgm4883> alpaca, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:45] <alpaca> thanks
[05:45] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, alpaca is upgrading from an alpha build, needs dist-upgrade to get new packages
[05:45] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[05:46] <rhpot1991> DucoNihilum does your lircrc match up with mine?
[05:46]  * tgm4883 disappears
[05:46] <DucoNihilum> I'm not sure.
[05:47] <DucoNihilum> Can you just walk me though with replacing it entirely?
[05:47] <rhpot1991> sure one second
[05:47] <rhpot1991> ls -l ~/.lircrc
[05:47] <rhpot1991> do that
[05:48] <DucoNihilum> -rw-r--r-- 1 ducodihilum ducodihilum 29444 2007-10-29 22:09 /home/ducodihilum/.lircrc
[05:49] <alpaca> good god there are so many updates haha
[05:49] <rhpot1991> ls -l ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:49] <rhpot1991> do that
[05:50] <DucoNihilum> -rw-r--r-- 1 ducodihilum ducodihilum 11918 2007-10-29 22:09 /home/ducodihilum/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:50]  * rhpot1991 is slighly confused
[05:50] <rhpot1991> lets do this
[05:51] <rhpot1991> mv ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc_bak
[05:51] <rhpot1991> mv ~/.lircrc ~/.lircrc_bak
[05:51] <DucoNihilum> k
[05:52] <DucoNihilum> done
[05:52] <rhpot1991> ok
[05:54] <DucoNihilum> now what
[05:55] <rhpot1991> cd ~
[05:55] <DucoNihilum> alright...
[05:55] <rhpot1991> wget www.baablogic.net/lircrc && mv lircrc .lircrc
[05:56] <DucoNihilum> Resolving www.baablogic.net... failed: Name or service not known.
[05:56] <rhpot1991> do you have internet?
[05:56] <rhpot1991> try tossing an http:// in front of that
[05:57] <DucoNihilum> yes, i have internet
[05:57] <rhpot1991> did http fix it?
[05:57] <DucoNihilum> yep
[05:57] <alpaca> hey whats the command to restart mythbuntu
[05:58] <rhpot1991> ln .lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[05:58] <rhpot1991> alpaca the whole computer?
[05:58] <alpaca> righto
[05:58] <rhpot1991> or just the backend?
[05:58] <rhpot1991> sudo reboot
[05:58] <alpaca> thank yo
[05:58] <rhpot1991> sure
[05:58] <alpaca> you*
[05:58] <DucoNihilum> done
[05:58] <rhpot1991> DucoNihilum should be good there, go ahead and fire up your frontend and see if it works
[05:59] <DucoNihilum> should I restart?
[05:59] <rhpot1991> shouldn' need it
[05:59] <rhpot1991> shouldn't
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> ok
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> now i just want to change a few keys, can you walk me though that?
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> My "Play" button doesn't allow it to play, it saves the position.
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> I'd also like to get TV and guide on the top if possible
[06:01] <DucoNihilum> to work
[06:02] <rhpot1991> well I don't have them working like that, so I'm not actually sure what you need to put in
[06:02] <rhpot1991> I'll push you in the right direction though
[06:02] <rhpot1991> go nano ~/.lircrc
[06:03] <rhpot1991> then find the button you want to change
[06:03] <rhpot1991> and under config, you need to put the keystroke in that you want it to do
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> I found the button.
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> TV
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> How do I figure out what I put in, though.
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> It is at F5 right now.
[06:04] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> I want it to be a button on the remote.
[06:04] <rhpot1991> are all your keyboard commands
[06:04] <DucoNihilum> I'd like it to be a button on the remote, not the keyboard.
[06:04] <rhpot1991> find what you want, and plug it in there
[06:05] <rhpot1991> looks like P for play
[06:05] <DucoNihilum> huh?
[06:05] <rhpot1991> to get play to play, instead of mark position
[06:05] <DucoNihilum> Right now Im trying to get TV to go to live TV.
[06:06] <DucoNihilum> So when I press TV on the remote, it goes to live TV
[06:06] <rhpot1991> that might be tricky
[06:06] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure there is a button that says go to live tv
[06:07] <DucoNihilum> I know there is in the keyboard controlls.
[06:07] <rhpot1991> figure out what it is, and plug it in there
[06:08] <DucoNihilum> It allows you to imput it.
[06:08] <DucoNihilum> In the edit keys
[06:08] <DucoNihilum> should I put something in there?
[06:09] <rhpot1991> you can make any key do whatever you want
[06:09] <rhpot1991> just be careful you don't remove things you might need
[06:09] <rhpot1991> not gonna work well when you can't navigate the menus or anything
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> alright....
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> ill hold off on this
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> unfortunately
[06:10] <DucoNihilum>  ihave other issues...
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> lol
[06:10] <DucoNihilum> any way you could walk me though the process of adding that hard drive?
[06:11] <rhpot1991> its a bit late, and actually I just run ubuntu not mythbuntu, so I'd be walking you through the hardway of doing it and there might be some easier way
[06:11]  * rhpot1991 has to get up for work in the morning
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> Howe about something possibliy easier then....
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> External hard drive wont work.
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> It wont mount.
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> It's USB
[06:13] <DucoNihilum> Could you link me to the page giving me the walkthough again, BTW?
[06:13] <rhpot1991> which walkthrough?
[06:16] <DucoNihilum> To add my drive.
[06:16] <rhpot1991> ah, the LVM one?
[06:16] <rhpot1991> !LVM
[06:16] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:16] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID
[06:16] <rhpot1991> ignore the raid stuff in that one
[06:17] <rhpot1991> as far as your usb you should check with one of the mythbuntu guys and see if there is anything in place that should be auto mounting
[06:18] <rhpot1991> you can do it yourself, but you need to figure out what partition is on the drive and what device it will be, kinda a lot of work if you don't know what your doing
[06:18] <DucoNihilum> ill come back tomorrow and see if anyone can help me set it up
[06:19] <rhpot1991> alright I'm off to bed
[06:19] <DucoNihilum> night
[10:43] <therethinker> $whack testing
[10:43] <mythbot> /action whacks testing
[14:13] <rhpot1991> !LVM
[14:13] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[14:23] <DaveMorris> I'm using the EPG thats transmitted for free in the UK, and the shows all appear when I search for them via name, and my stuff records.  However the tv guide only shows programs which are today, and has unknown for other days
[14:23] <DaveMorris> any ideas?
[14:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris: use radiotimes :)
[14:31] <DaveMorris> but the data is there for my recordings etc
[14:32] <Daviey> no idea..  i haven't used EPG for yonks.. RT is better :)
[14:32] <DaveMorris> I'll give RT a go then
[14:32] <DaveMorris> see if it fixes the issue
[14:33] <samson--> i believe i'm missing a gpg key for the mythbuntu apt repo, is there a place I can get it?  "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
[14:37] <DaveMorris> $wiki
[14:37] <mythbot> MythTV -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[14:41] <Daviey> samson--: sorted?
[14:41] <Daviey> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[14:41] <Daviey> ^ samson--
[15:23] <samson--> whoops, sorry, was afk
[15:24] <samson--> hmm, that key idnt work
[15:25] <samson--> sources is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1508/
[15:26] <samson--> this is from an alpha 7.10 install
[15:26] <samson--> change out the ppa source with the new one?
[15:31] <Daviey> yes!
[15:31] <samson--> heh
[15:31] <Daviey> ppa is not signed
[15:31] <Daviey> recommended to use our weeklybuilds servers
[15:32] <samson--> looks good
[15:35] <samson--> thx Daviey
[15:35] <Daviey> working now?
[15:36] <samson--> it is indeed
[15:37] <Daviey> samson--: groovy
[15:38] <samson--> i remember a time when the ppa worked without issue, did things change with the move over to weeklybuilds
[15:39] <samson--> or maybe i'm losing it
[15:49] <chuk1> semi-ot, anyone know how to make a USB drive automount under mythbuntu?
[15:53] <tgm4883> samson--, the ppa has never had signed packages
[16:19] <kolby> hey guys.
[16:20] <samson--> hai
[16:20] <kolby> in mythTV, i have to change the aspect ratio to 4:3 everytime I watch TV,.  How do I make it the default?
[16:21] <samson--> chuk1: should be handled by HAL, check /etc/hal/fdi/policy (i thinks)
[16:22] <kolby> it appears to be an XML file
[16:23] <kolby> im going to try my browser on it
[16:24] <kolby> well, I don't think it have anything on the aspect ratio.
[16:25] <kolby> *had
[16:25] <samson--> kolby: what file
[16:25] <kolby> /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[16:25] <samson--> that was a reply to chuk1
[16:25] <kolby> ohhhhh
[16:26] <kolby> could I dpkg-reconfigure it?
[16:27] <samson--> uncertain, one moment
[16:27] <samson--> are you trying to change the ratio only for TV?
[16:27] <kolby> yeah
[16:28] <samson--> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Aspect_ratio
[16:28] <samson--> Setup -> TV -> Playback -> General
[16:29] <kolby> right on
[16:29] <kolby> brb
[16:31] <kolby> awesome.  :)
[16:31] <samson--> np2thee
[16:32] <kolby> I think the doc was a bit outdated though.
[16:33] <kolby> The exact route I took was:  Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback
[16:35] <DaveMorris> I think it can change depending on the menu styles you use
[16:36] <kolby> huh...  I used GNAT
[16:36] <kolby> oh.  GANT
[16:36] <DaveMorris> not the theme, but the menu styles
[16:37] <Daviey> GANT is so fugly
[16:37] <directhex|work> Daviey, you think? at least the icon style has some personality
[16:38] <Daviey> yeah, personality a boring person
[16:38] <directhex|work> it's one of the better themes in myth though
[16:38] <DaveMorris> I think my listings data is screwed.  It says I have listings until 1'st July 2037
[16:38] <Daviey> DaveMorris: there's an sql snippet buzzing around to fix that
[16:39] <DaveMorris> why aren't we shipping it then?
[16:39] <Daviey> huh?
[16:39] <DaveMorris> if it's a known bug why haven't we fixed it?
[16:39] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, duff EIT data can cause that to happen
[16:40] <Daviey> It's known to us.. but i have experienced it before
[16:40] <directhex|work> DaveMorris, bad EIT data says it's got a recording in 2038, so that gets added to the schedule data
[16:40] <Daviey> as directhex|work it's poor EIT
[16:40] <DaveMorris> ok
[16:40] <kolby> I like GANT because it's fast.    I'm using it now
[16:42] <Daviey> directhex|work: the original artwork author ignored my emails to get him to release it under a free licence :(  -- hence we aren't packaging it
[16:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: drop EIT use RT :)
[16:43] <directhex|work> Daviey, opens up its own problems
[16:44] <Daviey> directhex|work: pretty much rock solid here
[16:44] <directhex|work> Daviey, such as, but not limited to: problems when multiple tuners have non-matching lineups; channels on freeview not being the same as the versions of those channels reported by RT (e.g. virgin1); the LARGE number of channels with no data e.g. radio
[16:45] <samson-->  < DaveMorris> I think my listings data is screwed.  It says I have listings until 1'st July 2037
[16:45] <samson--> DaveMorris: cancel schedulesdirect subscription quick before they find out! ;)
[16:46] <Daviey> directhex|work: yeah.. this is true - juski did start trying to look into a way of making it better
[16:46] <Daviey> samson--: we don't all live in the US :)
[16:46] <directhex|work> some of us are too thin for that!
[16:46] <samson--> Daviey: curses
[16:49] <kolby> my EIT doesn't work either :(
[16:49] <kolby> the Satellite company said everything should work fine.  ...but I don't think they've used mythbuntu
[16:50] <kolby> can I get EIT even though I'm using satellite connection?
[17:05] <kolby> what do you guys have?  Digital Cable or Satellite?
[17:09] <rhpot1991> good old analog for me
[17:16] <kolby> rhpot1991:  you mean through the airwaves?
[17:22] <rhpot1991> kolby nah, just regular old cable
[17:22] <rhpot1991> comcast charges you for boxes here, and they are old and have terrible quality
[17:23] <rhpot1991> I had them replace the one in my office 3 times, would overheat at least once a week and then refuse to turn on for a day or so
[17:23] <kolby> wow.  That's gotta suck.  I need to figure out how to get cable working with my Satellite connection
[17:26] <kolby> ....I meant EIT working with Satellite
[17:28] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/EIT
[17:29] <rhpot1991> seems like it either works or it doesn't
[18:14] <kolby> rhpot1991, ALRIGHT, i'LL GIVE IT A GO
[18:14] <kolby> damn caps lock
[18:26] <solarbaby> Cable TV through Satalite? Never heard of that
[18:26] <kolby> I mistyped
[18:26] <kolby> I meant EIT but I was reading rhpot1991's comment
[18:26] <solarbaby> oH..
[18:27] <kolby> yups
[18:27] <solarbaby> Franky I never heard of EIT either, other then it being in the settings page
[18:28] <MythbuntuGuest86> hi all
[18:28] <solarbaby> Hello
[18:28] <MythbuntuGuest86> i need some help, just install mythbuntu, but it wont work with my Geforce 6200 :-(
[18:29] <solarbaby> Have you checked through the Ubuntu forums?
[18:29] <MythbuntuGuest86> yes, so i should post a new thread instead of getting help here?
[18:30] <solarbaby> I didn't say that.. although specific hardware is always a Iffy thing on irc..  your lucky to find someone who has your hardware
[18:30] <kolby> huh...
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> i see, the problem is the nvidia drivers
[18:31] <kolby> you're using Gutsy, right?
[18:31] <solarbaby> did you install with the generic drivers or did you try one of the others?
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> with generic drivers its working, i can setup everything
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest86> but tv is a slideshow...
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest86> so everytime i install any nvidia driver (glx-new, glx-old) and restart, it will be black screen
[18:32] <solarbaby> Oh..  maybe playing with recording settings..  if you record with lower quality that might help
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest86> even tried envy
[18:33] <solarbaby> btw im just a average new user so Im guessing.
[18:33] <solarbaby> I do know spending lots of time in the forums have helped me greatly..
[18:33] <kolby> yeah...  I know of a few things you could check if you haven't already
[18:34] <MythbuntuGuest86> really? what is it?
[18:36] <kolby> in Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Playback
[18:37] <kolby> there should be a little checkbox that says: "Enable OpenGL Vertical sync for timing"
[18:38] <MythbuntuGuest86> yes i know that option, even if i cant try it out now
[18:38] <kolby> I have _no idea_ if that will help, but it's worth a shot.  I turned it on for my  Geforce 5600, and it didn't hurt.
[18:38] <kolby> okay
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest86> i will try to deinstall the driver now, again
[18:40] <MythbuntuGuest86> i think its xorg related, cause i had the same problem with knoppmyth
[18:41] <solarbaby> I couldn't get passed partitioning my hard drive with Knoppmyth before it'd crash
[18:41] <solarbaby> then I used Mythbuntu and everything worked mostly pretty well
[18:41] <solarbaby> Howdy superm1
[18:42] <superm1> hi
[18:55] <Daviey> solarbaby: hw is it going
[18:58] <solarbaby> Daviey: Thanks for asking..  Its going quite well with the Master backend, can't say its been easy getting the laptop going though ;)
[18:59] <solarbaby> Daviey: first I have to figure out why my wireless laptop is crashing when I try to play recordings.. Im thinking maybe im recording in such a huge file size its just crashing so im going to attack that route first..
[19:01] <Daviey> :)
[19:04] <solarbaby> Confirmed..  File size doesn't seem to have anything to do with it :(
[19:05] <solarbaby> Maybe its Samba
[19:06] <solarbaby> the strange thing is that it plays in a thumbnail just fine..
[19:17] <solarbaby> maybe the laptop doesn't like ffmpeg
[19:17] <solarbaby> this is very strange I remember it worked ok off the live cd..
[19:55] <therethinker> $test
[19:55] <mythbot> Sorry, mythbot is dead!
[20:14] <MitoTranin> the dead is talking?
[20:20] <therethinker> It always says that -- as a sort of joke :p
[20:25] <therethinker> The angel saved it!
[20:35] <therethinker> Daviey -- does tgm4883 not know about the digg story?
[20:39] <Daviey> tgm4883: he was the first person to digg it
[20:39] <Daviey> :)
[20:39] <Daviey> (other than me)
[20:39] <therethinker> Heh... why isn't he parading about
[20:39] <therethinker> $diggit
[20:39] <mythbot> Why haven't you dugg it? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Final  Once you digg it.  Then comment it :)
[20:40] <Daviey> heh
[20:40] <Daviey> therethinker: type /topic :)
[20:40] <therethinker> $changeitem:diggit:Why haven't you dugg it? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_hits_20_000_downloads_in_one_week Once you digg it, then comment it :-) (please!)
[20:40] <mythbot> Changed help file for diggit
[20:41] <therethinker> Heh... didn't see it...
[20:57] <DaveMorris> $wiki
[20:57] <mythbot> MythTV -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[21:39] <therethinker> mythbot outlived superm1
[21:39] <tgm4883> $diggit
[21:39] <superm1> no he didn't
[21:39] <superm1> i'm right here
[21:40] <tgm4883> stupid mythbot
[21:40] <therethinker> $diggit
[21:40]  * tgm4883 contemplates kicking mythbot
[21:40] <therethinker> hmm
[21:40] <Daviey> superm1 was hiding the whole time
[21:40] <therethinker> I think I should go back to allowing the manual rebooting...
[21:40] <Daviey> therethinker: is it mythbot, or your connection?
[21:41] <therethinker> Mythbot -- the other bot dies at different times
[21:43] <therethinker> Aww D:
[21:43] <superm1> of course i kick him right *AFTER* he leaves...
[21:43] <superm1> haha
[21:43] <superm1> whoops
[21:43] <superm1> go ahead and let him back in
[21:44] <therethinker> By the way: I don't know if you saw, he has an angel in #mythbot -- I'll explain in there if you want
[21:44] <therethinker> its possible to manually reboot mythbot, so that should help
[21:44] <superm1> its invite only?
[21:44] <therethinker> oh
[21:44] <therethinker> right...
[21:44] <tgm4883> bleh, there right
[21:44] <Daviey> therethinker: care to invite us?
[21:45] <therethinker> And we pretty much locked ourselves out -- right? :P
[21:45] <tgm4883> yep
[21:45] <therethinker> I don't have ops permissions :p
[21:45] <tgm4883> sec
[21:48] <therethinker> okay -- you guys can come
[21:48] <therethinker> anyone who needs to know how to use it, please come :P
[22:00] <keescook> superm1: lirc> lots of changes to the whitespace in some of the patches.  I don't mind, but I'm just curious why.
[22:01] <superm1> keescook, because i opened up the patch to double check if there was anything to change in it mostly
[22:02] <keescook> superm1: but like, tabs vs spaces, { usage.  just odd
[22:03] <superm1> oh keescook that's my editor
[22:03] <superm1> geany has a setting that cleans that stuff up
[22:03] <keescook> +-
[22:03] <keescook> ++
[22:03] <superm1> and changes tabs into spaces
[22:03] <keescook> heh
[22:03] <superm1> it is great for python stuff
[22:03]  * keescook nods
[22:03] <superm1> but weird on other things i guess
[22:04] <keescook> -+static int sense = -1;   /* -1 = auto, 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> -+static int txsense = 0;   /* 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> and stuff like that...
[22:04] <keescook> ++static int sense = -1;    /* -1 = auto, 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> ++static int txsense;     /* 0 = active high, 1 = active low */
[22:04] <keescook> it's functionally identical, but I'm not clear on where the changes are coming from.
[22:05] <keescook> is it just general cleanups you're doing?
[22:05] <superm1> oh that stuff, that's how upstream changed it
[22:05] <superm1> that wasn't me directly
[22:06] <superm1> i had to meld that stuff into the lirc_serial_igor stuff
[22:07] <keescook> so it was an "upstream patch" change?
[22:07] <superm1> well yes and no.
[22:07] <superm1> let me try to describe
[22:07] <superm1> lirc_serial_igor is basically lirc_serial copied over
[22:07] <superm1> with some static changes
[22:07] <superm1> so that when its merged into linux-ubuntu-modules
[22:07] <keescook> aaah, so effectively your rebased it.  I get it.
[22:07] <keescook> s/your/you
[22:07] <keescook> nice.  I like all the "taken upstream" notes.  :)
[22:07] <superm1> it builds one with the serial and then the one with serial_igor
[22:08] <superm1> keescook, yeah they're pretty receptive to things
[22:08] <superm1> i submitted another 5 or 6 patches up today
[22:08] <keescook> :)
[22:08] <superm1> so hopefully most of the stuff in debian/patches will eventually not be necessary
[22:14] <keescook> superm1: cool.  Can you run your source.changes through "lintian -iI" and fix the non-Ubuntu-isms?  (debian-rules-ignores-make-clean-error, substvar-source-version-is-deprecated)  Beyond those, it looks great to me.
[22:14] <superm1> keescook, i've been reluctant to go through and fix some of those lintian things since there is that ever so impending big change from debian to grab on the packaging
[22:14] <superm1> keescook, to switch over to their's if they ever get it done
[22:15] <superm1> so do you think we should be permanently forked and i'll just go through all that?
[22:15] <keescook> well, I think just those two errors should be easy to fix.
[22:15] <superm1> yeah
[22:15] <keescook> if they're not for some reason, I'm happy to skip it.
[22:15]  * keescook goes afk again
[22:16] <superm1> okay thanks again kees
[22:24] <superm1> keescook, okay i uploaded it back to the same area on http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/lirc/lirc again with those changes.
[23:06] <solarbaby> Alright..  so by following some directions I got my Dell Latitude 610 to Play recordings with out crashing by editing the xorg.conf However, Even though I hear the sound the video is just a blue screen..  still haven't found mention of this in the forums yet
[23:43] <directhex> solarbaby, a flat colored screen usually means an app is using Xv (overlay) mode to display the pictures, but your graphics driver isn't drawing the overlay layer properly
[23:51] <solarbaby> Thats a good push in the right direction