[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <toros> hello
[08:09] <toros> Does somebody know when locoteams can order their Ubuntu 12.10 CDs?
[08:10] <toros> by the way, will locoteams get free Ubuntu 12.10 CDs this time?
[08:11] <czajkowski> toros: hi there
[08:11] <czajkowski> we're waiting to hear about the annoucement this week from canonical
[08:12] <czajkowski> all approved locoteams get a cd pack
[08:12] <toros> czajkowski: okay, thank you
[08:12] <czajkowski> np
[08:12] <toros> so I am not late :)
[08:12] <toros> I was affraid that I totally missed the opportunity :)
[08:15] <toros> by the way, what happened to the loco reapproval process?
[08:16] <toros> according to the wiki "Each cycle, LoCo contacts from LoCo Teams with approaching review dates will be contacted privately and asked to submit applications."
[08:16] <toros> but this cycle is almost over and nobody contacted us (Hungarian LoCo) yet...


[20:33] <Ben64> Sovek: then you didn't get the right driver
[20:33] <Sovek> no, wait.... wrong, it wont even load
[20:34] <Sovek> and Steam gives some sort of error about OpenGl or something, hang on
[20:34] <Ben64> Sovek: then you didn't get the right driver
[20:35] <Sovek> "OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering" whenever I start Steam
[20:35] <OerHeks> sounds like optimus, dual videocard
[20:35] <Sovek> Ok, so how do I get the right drivers?
[20:35] <Sovek> forgive me, but its been ages since I've used Ubuntu
[20:35] <Ben64> what video card(s) do you have
[20:36] <Sovek> GTX 460, just one
[20:36] <Sovek> yeah, I know, it needs to go, its on the agenda
[20:36] <OerHeks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[20:36] <Ben64> what version of linux
[20:36] <blackwc> can someone please help me fix my internal mic
[20:36] <Sovek> wait, hold up. first I need to fix the superuser password
[20:37] <Sovek> I dont know how that got screwed up
[20:37] <Ben64> you should not have a superuser password
[20:37] <Sovek> but I do
[20:37] <Ben64> you really shouldn't
[20:37] <Sovek> how do I remove it then?
[20:38] <anomonus2015> guys whats the most professional image editor fror linux currently ?
[20:38] <blackwc> can someone please help me fix my internal mic
[20:38] <Ben64> sudo passwd -l root
[20:38] <Fuchs> anomonus2015: depends on the use case. To edit existing (bitmap) images, I'd say GIMP. To draw / create stuff, I'd say krita
[20:38] <Sovek> from the recover screen?
[20:38] <blackwc> it says it's unplugged
[20:39] <Ben64> Sovek: well i guess you can't sudo, so 'passwd -l root' from recovery
[20:39] <Sovek> ok, one sec,
[20:40] <blackwc> can someone help me to get my laptop's internal mic working I installed pavucontrol and it says the microphone is unplugged
[20:40] <anomonus2015> Fuchs, thx. what about conversion ? gimp only seems to save in its own filetype or am i wrong ?
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> latemau55  try a live session, to delete files from your /boot/ folder
[20:40] <Fuchs> anomonus2015: no, just use "export" instead of "save"
[20:40] <latemau55> MonkeyDust, which ones?
[20:40] <Ben64> anomonus2015: export
[20:40] <Fuchs> it's a bit of a usability issue
[20:40] <Ben64> ah, beat by Fuchs
[20:40] <anomonus2015> :) yea its a bit silly
[20:41] <MonkeyDust> latemau55  what's the output of   uname -pr
[20:41] <anomonus2015> krita easier to use ?
[20:41] <latemau55> MonkeyDust, 3.16.0-40-generic x86_64
[20:41] <MonkeyDust> latemau55  then -40 is the one you have to keep
[20:41] <latemau55> M
[20:41] <latemau55> Oaky.
[20:41] <Ben64> i think krita is more about drawing and less about editing/manipulation
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> latemau55  make a backup, first, always
[20:43] <bhansa> hey all
[20:44] <bhansa> Is This even working
[20:45] <latemau55> bhansa, yes
[20:46] <Bashing-om> bhansa: Yes, but, you are in a ubuntu support channel. Do you have an ubuntu support request ? Just ask .
[20:46] <bhansa> join
[20:46] <bhansa> okk
[20:46] <anomonus2015> fuchs when using gimp i seem to have lost the default windows that appear when you open it. you know how to get them back ?
[20:46] <Fuchs> not by heart, let me check
[20:46] <Fuchs> http://askubuntu.com/questions/461152/how-to-restore-the-default-toolbox-windows-in-gimp   looks like it
[20:47] <anomonus2015> :D
[20:47] <anomonus2015> that was fast
[20:47] <OerHeks> !info ubuntustudio-photography
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> what's the apt-get install option again, to fake install?
[20:55] <OerHeks> apt-get -s simulate
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> OerHeks  tnx, but man apt-get was just as easy
[20:58] <anomonus2015> fuchs ok ive restored the lost toolbars but another problem is persisting. The gimp menu bar seems to be overlaying the system bar along the top of my desktop. its kinda corrupt
[21:00] <Sovek> Ok, I think its about time to uninstall and reinstall.... ugh
[21:00] <anomonus2015> also i would prefer the toobars to be snapped to the main gimp window rather than floating so when i launch gimp its one window' insead of all over the screen
[21:00] <EriC^^> Sovek: why?
[21:00] <Sovek> so, after the command passwd -l root in the recovery boot, I get this error
[21:01] <Meerkat> My microphone was disabled in bios apparently. Thanks for your time, though, MonkeyDust!
[21:01] <Sovek> unable to lock /ect/shadow
[21:01] <Sovek> please try again later
[21:01] <EriC^^> Sovek: what's the issue?
[21:01] <Sovek> superuser password got changed somehow
[21:02] <Sovek> nothing works
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> Meerkat  glad you found it
[21:02] <EriC^^> superuser password or your user's account pass that has sudo?
[21:02] <EriC^^> Sovek:
[21:02] <Sovek> superuser password
[21:02] <Sovek> thing is, I didnt do anything to change it
[21:02] <OerHeks> anomonus2015, tons of forums about that "problem", and take a look at the gimp magazine http://gimpmagazine.org/
[21:03] <EriC^^> Sovek: by default the superuser account isn't enabled
[21:03] <EriC^^> Sovek: are you using ubuntu?
[21:03] <Sovek> well, regardless, I'm unable to use the command sudo
[21:03] <Sovek> yes
[21:03] <Moonlightning> So you can switch back to upstart…for now. Is it being phased out?
[21:04] <EriC^^> Sovek: ok, how do you login usually?
[21:04] <OerHeks> Moonlightning, seems so, systemD is the new way to go
[21:04] <OerHeks> also on Debian
[21:04] <Sovek> it just logs in, thats the weird thing, the account password (which is the admin) is fine
[21:04] <anomonus2015> OerHeks, thx
[21:04] <EriC^^> Sovek: ok, type sudo -l
[21:04] <iongraphix> hello how do I install systemd. need help
[21:05] <Sovek> cant do that
[21:05] <OerHeks> iongraphix, systemD is default in 15.04
[21:05] <Sovek> asks for password, keeps saying its wrong
[21:05] <EriC^^> Sovek: type id
[21:05] <EriC^^> does it say sudo in the groups?
[21:05] <Sovek> yes
[21:06] <EriC^^> Sovek: ok, try passwd, then change your password to 12345
[21:06] <iongraphix> why did they have to do away with sysVinit
[21:06] <OerHeks> iongraphix, sysvinit basicly needed to be rewritten https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[21:07] <EriC^^> Sovek: are you able to change it?
[21:09] <DroWn> does anyone know that the plugin to add facebook account integration to Online Accounts in ubuntu settings is?
[21:09] <Sovek_> Ok, now....
[21:09] <EriC^^> were you able to change it to 12345?
[21:09] <Sovek_> I THINK I changed it back to what it should be
[21:09] <Sovek_> now, whats a command to test it?
[21:09] <EriC^^> type sudo -l
[21:09] <Sovek_> better yet, how do I remove the password
[21:10] <Sovek_> it works
[21:10] <Sovek_> what I want to know is how the heck it got changed
[21:10] <EriC^^> it didn't if you were able to change it then you typed the right old one first
[21:11] <EriC^^> i think it's something to do with your keyboard layout
[21:11] <EriC^^> like qwerty vs the french one, etc.
[21:11] <Sovek_> it was just numbers
[21:11] <EriC^^> the old one?
[21:11] <Sovek_> yes
[21:11] <EriC^^> that's odd
[21:11] <Sovek_> I changed it back to what it was supposed to be
[21:12] <Sovek_> now... on to the Nvidia drivers
[21:13] <EriC^^> k
[21:15] <Sovek> Ok, STILL gives me "incorrect login" after shutting down the graphical interface
[21:16] <Sovek> so, how to install Nvidia drivers via apt-get?
[21:17] <ShinzJr> testing
[21:17] <bala> hi all
[21:17] <anomonus2015> guys the menu bar of firefox is also stuck to the system bar on my desktop ? what gives ?
[21:17] <anomonus2015> EriC^^,  ?
[21:17] <bala> need a help to recover my old linux partition
[21:18] <bala> can anyone help plz ??
[21:18] <wileee>  anomonus2015 This unity full screen for app?
[21:18] <ShinzJr> what's wrong w/ your partition bala?
[21:18] <anomonus2015> um i dont think the app is full screen
[21:19] <bala> mistakenly i installed windows
[21:19] <bala> over linux already there
[21:19] <OerHeks> anomonus2015, that is called Ubuntu global menu, i think unity-tweak has that option
[21:19] <wileee> anomonus2015, Hard to tell exactly what you men how about a pic in imagebin?
[21:19] <bala> so grub menu is lost and only windows boot manager pops up
[21:19] <bala> so linux is hidden in a separate partition
[21:19] <EriC^^> bala: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:19] <wileee> anomonus2015, I think OerHeks Is right that was what I was heading to
[21:19] <ShinzJr> bala, try using easybcd from windows, or boot using ubuntu live cd
[21:20] <Sovek> EricC^^ do you know how to install the Nvidia drivers via apt-get?
[21:21] <wileee> ShinzJr, Please don't just spit out 3rd party apps and give real support, people can be confused here.
[21:21] <lucas-arg> hey all... i have just installed ubuntu on my sshd, ive managed to put / on my ssd part of disk, everything seems to be running ok, but not sure if a part of a disk that was supposed to work as a cache is ok to work as a partition or disk by it self... is it ok?
[21:21] <anomonus2015> Umm well i have hexchat open atm ! ok but the title for hexchat is imposed on the top left of the system bar and if i mouse over it i get the hexchat, view, server menu etc
[21:22] <wileee> anomonus2015, That is part of the desktop, can't be changed
[21:22] <OerHeks> anomonus2015, get used to it man
[21:22] <anomonus2015> can u link me to image bin
[21:22] <anomonus2015> it want like that before
[21:22] <anomonus2015> it wasnt like that before
[21:22] <anomonus2015> link to imagebin please
[21:22] <wileee> anomonus2015, On what desktop was it different?
[21:23] <EriC^^> anomonus2015: settings > appearance > behavior, menus
[21:23] <wileee> anomonus2015, and a com to it and your there.
[21:23] <EriC^^> wileee: ShinzJr was actually giving good advice about how to get the install booted again
[21:23] <wileee> EriC^^, easybc with asking for any info?
[21:23] <wileee> without*
[21:23] <ShinzJr> sorry all
[21:24] <blackwc> can someone PLEASE help me to get my mic working
[21:24] <ShinzJr> i'm new to this irc thing
[21:24] <EriC^^> he meant if he didn't have a live cd, he could use easybcd to boot his linux install
[21:24] <anomonus2015> imagebin?
[21:25] <wileee> EriC^^, That is an assumption, but I get your point, my response was fair I think is al.
[21:25] <Sovek> well, I'm screwed
[21:25] <OerHeks> anomonus2015, type that in your browser, oke?.. that is too easy to find yourself
[21:25] <Sovek> every single method requires me to shut down the graphical interface, ctrl+alt+f1, login.
[21:26] <Sovek> only problem is, I cant log in
[21:26] <Sovek> keeps saying login incorrect
[21:26] <wileee> ShinzJr, Do not worry about it were all here to help we need all we can get. ;)
[21:26] <anomonus2015> wileee, got that image for you  !!! http://ibin.co/2964adT75vaD
[21:26] <ShinzJr> oky thank you :)
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Sovek: Lost authority to access "your" /home ? When ypu do ' ls -al /home/<user_name> ' do 'you' own all the files ?
[21:28] <wileee> anomonus2015, Take a look at EriC^^'s post above anomonus2015: settings > appearance > behavior, menus I have not used unity for years but I'm sure that is a built in deal.
[21:29] <Sovek> I think so
[21:29] <Sovek> ok, what happens is when I go into the lightdm terminal, try to log in, it keeps saying incorrect login
[21:30] <Sovek> and I'm not the only one with this problem, but I've yet to see anyone solve it
[21:30] <EriC^^> Sovek: in ctrl+alt+f1 it works?
[21:30] <EriC^^> Sovek: it sounds like one of the most common problems here :)
[21:30] <Bashing-om> Sovek: Checking is better than 'think so" . Generally 2 causes of that condion, lost authority, or bad graphics driver .
[21:30] <blackwc> can someone help me get my internal mic working
[21:31] <blackwc> PLEASE
[21:31] <Sovek> lets go with bad graphics driver
[21:31] <EriC^^> blackwc: did you try settings > audio ?
[21:31] <Sovek> and no, ctrl+alt+f1 does not after going to lightDM
[21:31] <blackwc> EriC^^: yes. it's not there
[21:32] <blackwc> in Input there's only analog stereo input
[21:32] <Sovek> so if its a bad graphics driver, how do fix it?
[21:32] <EriC^^> blackwc: ok
[21:32] <blackwc> buit-in audio rather
[21:32] <wileee> blackwc, Type alsmixer in the terminal and check there
[21:32] <wileee> alsamixer*
[21:32] <blackwc> what am I looking for
[21:33] <Bashing-om> Sovek: OK, then one needs to know what hardware ' lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12 ' and if a driver is loaded ' sudo lshw -C display ' Then match a driver to the hardware .
[21:33] <wileee> blackwc, anything on what it's using and volumes
[21:34] <Sovek> ok, lesse
[21:34] <Sovek> Capabilities: <access denied> 	Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[21:34] <blackwc> if I go to capture I see this https://i.imgur.com/nQ7NE2W.png?1 wileee
[21:34] <Sovek> ok, thats odd
[21:35] <Sovek> showing GTX 460, which is what it is, GF104, rev A1
[21:36] <wileee> blackwc, I'm not an expert on this area, just info on another area to check, basically a standard response in context.
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Sovek: GeForce ?
[21:36] <EriC^^> Sovek: so ctrl+alt+f1 works or not? i didn't get what you meant about after lightdm it doesn't
[21:36] <Sovek> GTX 460
[21:36] <Sovek> it doesnt
[21:37] <Sovek> it keeps saying incorrect login, no matter what I use
[21:37] <blackwc> crap
[21:37] <blackwc> :<
[21:37] <Sovek> I've tried passwords, logins, ect, nothing
[21:37] <EriC^^> so how are you typing lspci and stuff?
[21:37] <Sovek> terminal
[21:37] <EriC^^> terminal where? in the gui?
[21:37] <Sovek> yes
[21:38] <EriC^^> you have been 0% coherent til now
[21:38] <Sovek> how?
[21:38] <EriC^^> so gui logs in fine?
[21:38] <Sovek> yes
[21:38] <Sovek> 0 problems
[21:38] <EriC^^> ok, and sudo works now?
[21:38] <Sovek> even with sudo being locked out
[21:38] <Sovek> yes, sudo works now
[21:39] <EriC^^> ok
[21:39] <EriC^^> is the pass still just numbers?
[21:39] <Sovek> yes
[21:40] <Sovek> ohhhh
[21:40] <Sovek> FFUUU
[21:40] <EriC^^> are you typing your username with a capital letter or something?
[21:40] <EriC^^> wth?
[21:40] <Sovek> one sec, lemme try something
[21:40] <Sovek> no, wait, nm
[21:40] <EriC^^> ? :D
[21:41] <Sovek> ok
[21:41] <EriC^^> caps lock on ? numlock?
[21:41] <wileee> we know your frustrated, just swear locally please Sovek ;)
[21:41] <EriC^^> check numlock
[21:41] <Sovek> so the superuser password is still numbers, shows up when I attempt to change passwords in system tools
[21:41] <Duality> could someone maybe help me out with my webcam? i have got a hercules webcam that has leds, i don't want them to turn on. (i removed the ir filter and wanted to test, but can't really test with the leds on
[21:41] <Sovek> numlock on, yes
[21:42] <anonymous_> hi
[21:42] <EriC^^> Sovek: try sudo login <your user>
[21:42] <EriC^^> then type your password
[21:42] <Sovek> still get "incorrect login" username does not start a capital leter
[21:43] <Sovek> ok, that works
[21:43] <Sovek> in the terminal, that is
[21:43] <EriC^^> try typing your password instead of the username just to see what it'll print
[21:43] <wileee> Duality, End goal is not clear, sound like you need the led off and need help.
[21:43] <wileee> sounds*
[21:44] <Sovek> what do you mean?
[21:44] <EriC^^> Sovek: type your pass instead of the username
[21:44] <Sovek> uhhh, that does not work
[21:45] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[21:45] <asd> hi
[21:45] <Sovek> it prints the numbers fine
[21:45] <EriC^^> oh ok
[21:45] <Duality> wileee: yes
[21:45] <anomonus2015> EriC^^, thx for the tip on menu behaviour. that worked
[21:46] <Sovek> so why does it not work after going into lightDM?
[21:46] <EriC^^> anomonus2015: np
[21:46] <anomonus2015> wonder why it changed :/
[21:46] <wileee> Duality, Cool, that maybe a hard one, no idea myself.
[21:46] <EriC^^> Sovek: it works if you don't login to lightdm?
[21:46] <Duality> they turn on when it gets to dark
[21:46] <Duality> and hope it isn't a hardware feature
[21:46] <Sovek> I cant login to light dm
[21:47] <wileee> Duality, I figured as such is it an infared as well?
[21:47] <EriC^^> Sovek: lightdm is the gui
[21:48] <wileee> Duality, I have sleep apnea and the sleep studies have cams to watch in the dark is why I asked that.
[21:48] <Sovek> wait... lemme try something
[21:48] <otirc> EriC^^: you seem to have the patience of a saint
[21:48] <Duality> wileee: do you meen the leds? no they are bright white leds. kinda blinding though
[21:49] <blackwc> can someone PLEASE help me get my mic working?
[21:50] <wileee> Duality, Ah, I would when it's plugged in usb plug run lsusb in the terminal and find any other info on it and include that.
[21:50] <wileee> I assume it is usb plugged
[21:50] <Duality> wileee: yes usb plugged
[21:51] <Sovek> so far its intsalling the drivers, not even having to run that command
[21:52] <wileee> Duality, So run lsusb and find all the info on that cam, names can be just not enough or even a model, but the hardware info
[21:52] <Sovek> Ok, I THINK its installed, need to reboot, brb
[21:52] <beshoy> sudo apt-get update
[21:52] <wileee> is at times
[21:53] <wileee> Duality, Sorry, hardware info can be the key is the issue.
[21:53] <Duality> wileee: i understand i am googling it but not really getting info i want :)
[21:54] <wileee> Duality, post it here if needed, best of luck. ;)
[21:55] <sovek> nope..... grrrr
[21:55] <sovek> load up steam, "OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering,"
[21:55] <Duality> it showed Bus 001 Device 005: ID 06f8:300d Guillemot Corp.
[21:55]  * wileee puts on his drama blinders
[21:55] <sovek> why is it hell just to install simple drivers?
[21:57] <ganeshaditya1> hey ... so I recently bought a digital ocean vpn and I am ssh into it. I have sublime installed on my laptop and I was wonering if there is a way I could use the sublime installed on my laptop to edit remote files in my vpn
[21:57] <blackwc> can someone PLEASE help me to get my microphone working
[21:58] <heilel> fast-track is a good website exploit?
[21:58] <SchrodingersScat> ganeshaditya1: never used sublime, but if you use sshfs then you should be able to work on files, afaik
[21:58] <OerHeks> ganeshaditya1, download any file first, edit, save, and upload again.
[21:59] <ganeshaditya1> @DerHeks I am currently doing that but it is sort of tidious. Once I have all my files setup I will start using git
[21:59] <wileee> Duality, Heh, I see just the opposite no leds on really early ubuntu releases, tough one to find on the web.
[22:00] <vicsar> .
[22:00] <vicsar> .
[22:00] <Duality> wileee: yea me too :)
[22:01] <OerHeks> ganeshaditya1,  so you have a copy of your file too.
[22:01] <LArry_B> ow the SU passsword for the live CD ver 15/04
[22:01] <LArry_B> im told I havbe no internet adn wanted to set it if possible
[22:01] <wileee> Duality, You could go goth and use some black fingernail polish, just a bad joke. ;)
[22:02] <wileee> LArry_B, Should not need a password on live.
[22:02] <Duality> wileee: i see what you did there :D, maybe i have to solder them out, i don't need them for my purpose though, planing on putting it on my telescope :)
[22:03] <wileee> Duality, Cool, I'm a huge physics and astronomy fan that's cool.
[22:03] <wileee> looking for plantes?
[22:04] <wileee> planets*
[22:04] <ganeshaditya1> ShrodingersScat sshfs is awesome!
[22:04] <blackwc> can someone PLEASE help me get my microphone working
[22:04] <EriC^^> blackwc: which laptop do you have?
[22:05] <blackwc> toshiba satellite L645d
[22:05] <SchrodingersScat> ganeshaditya1: it can be handy, have fun.
[22:05] <EriC^^> blackwc: ok, try sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[22:05] <EriC^^> then run pavucontrol and see what you get there
[22:05] <blackwc> EriC^^: I have that installed
[22:06] <EriC^^> blackwc: ok, do you get anything there?
[22:06] <Duality> wileee: i have mostely been looking at the sun with it :D and a few times at the moon. no other planets/moons yet, but maybe soon :)
[22:08] <wileee> Duality, Sounds like just good fun, hope you able to get this camera working for yah.
[22:08] <wileee> you're
[22:08] <Sovek> ok... I follow the steam instructions on the problem.... and nothing makes sense
[22:08] <YellowGTO> Hi guys. Is there another way to add wget http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc if sourceforge is down?
[22:08] <Sovek> glxinfo just dumps a bunch of numbers
[22:09] <YellowGTO> I don't really understand what the key is for in the firstplace
[22:09] <Sovek> nothing about what Valve is talking about
[22:09] <Sovek> so try to make sure I have the 32bit version, tried sudo apt-get mesa-utils:i386 says it doesnt exist
[22:10] <OerHeks> YellowGTO, that would be the encryptionkey, and please do not use webmin on ubuntu
[22:10] <OerHeks> !webmin
[22:10] <YellowGTO> Is there an alternative?>
[22:10] <wileee> YellowGTO, The key assure your talking with the the right repo, it is security.
[22:10] <YellowGTO> Ah, I understand now
[22:11] <OerHeks> YellowGTO, take a look @ http://alternativeto.net/software/webmin/ or zpanel or zentyal
[22:11] <wileee> YellowGTO, You can usually give a yes on using it with this error.
[22:12] <Duality> wileee: looks like it worked :) https://youtu.be/WaOHOzf_JzM
[22:13] <wileee> Duality, Looks like gearhead fix I can relate.
[22:13] <wileee> ;)
[22:14] <SuperLag> I'm getting an error about duplicate entries in sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/11901351/
[22:14] <SuperLag> it has to do with the Google Talk plugin
[22:14] <bekks> SuperLag: So remove the duplicate?
[22:15] <bekks> SuperLag: Take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[22:15] <SuperLag> I know I need to remove the duplicate. Just wasn't sure where, since it's not in the main sources.list
[22:16] <bekks> SuperLag: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is directory where ppa entries should go to.
[22:16] <wileee> SuperLag, There is a gui access software & sources 2nd tab
[22:16] <Duality> wileee: what do you meen?
[22:18] <wileee> Duality, A mechanical answer basically to the problem, I like to see people with multiple skill levels in conflicting areas.
[22:18] <wileee> like physicist writing their own code etc
[22:19] <andre____> hi, so I have an Alienware m17x r4 and ever since i installed ubuntu i noticed that my touchpad isnt working
[22:19] <andre____> i have to plug in a mouse
[22:19] <SuperLag> bekks: wileee: I have to make SSH forward X to get GUI access. What's the name of the binary that launches that app where you enable/disable PPA's? Or, should it be fine, and not break anything, if I simply delete the corresponding entry in sources.list.d?
[22:19] <EriC^^> andre____: you might need to drivers for it
[22:19] <andre____> Where can i get Linux drivers for it
[22:20] <wileee> SuperLag, You can turn it off there or remove
[22:20] <andre____> my razer naga works with it
[22:20] <wileee> not sure on the actual question sorry SuperLag
[22:21] <bekks> SuperLag: apt-add-repository and ppapurge
[22:21] <Duality> wileee: i am not sure i understand :)?
[22:21] <blaster> How can I check a column to see if all the values are unique or not?
[22:22] <bekks> SuperLag: Uninstall the software from the ppa you dont want to keep. Then just comment out the version in sources.list.d you dont want to keep.
[22:22] <SuperLag> bekks: in sources.list.d there are two entries... google.list and google-talkplugin.list, and they point to the same URL. And I'm sure they want to keep the software.
[22:22] <andre____> so in my terminal i typed in javac
[22:22] <wileee> Duality, Sorry, in my little personal world it was a compliment. Basically you were creative in how you did this is the point.
[22:22] <andre____> and it said this
[22:23] <EriC^^> andre____: http://askubuntu.com/questions/647505/alienware-13-touchpad-not-working-under-any-distro-dll068b00-06cb76e9-hid-r
[22:23] <andre____> * default-jdk
[22:23] <andre____>  * ecj
[22:23] <andre____>  * gcj-4.8-jdk
[22:23] <andre____>  * openjdk-7-jdk
[22:23] <andre____>  * gcj-4.6-jdk
[22:23] <andre____>  * openjdk-6-jdk
[22:23] <andre____> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[22:23] <bekks> SuperLag: One points to a amd64 repo, the other one to i386 repo. Thats whats causing the duplicate error.
[22:23] <Duality> wileee: I guess thanks :) it was what i had laying around it's not that creative.
[22:23] <EriC^^> andre____: apparently installing 15.04 solved it
[22:24] <SuperLag> bekks: I'm not sure where it specifies the arch, as both files contain this: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable main
[22:24] <andre____> well the problem with me installg a new linux version is
[22:24] <wileee> Duality, That is one point of creativity; looking at something and changing or creating a new state with it.
[22:25] <andre____> while installing my current version, I overrode windows by accident
[22:25] <andre____> and all my files got lost
[22:25] <SuperLag> bekks: and simply commenting out the line in one of those files did the trick
[22:25] <andre____> why didnt i get a backup brogram ._.
[22:25] <andre____> also
[22:25] <wileee> anyway back to starbucks anyone want anything?
[22:26] <andre____> i have a Geforce GTX 660m
[22:26] <andre____> but in details it says my gpu is
[22:26] <SuperLag> wileee: wait, you're in PDX aren't you? Yep. Bring some over. :)
[22:26] <EriC^^> andre____: you can get all your files back
[22:26] <andre____> how eric
[22:26] <andre____> please tell me
[22:26] <EriC^^> very easily
[22:26] <andre____> i must know
[22:26] <andre____> PLESE
[22:26] <OerHeks> andre____, please one problem at the time.
[22:26] <andre____> I dismiss any other problems
[22:27] <EriC^^> andre____: ok, boot a live usb
[22:27] <andre____> ok
[22:27] <andre____> then what
[22:27] <EriC^^> actually first
[22:27] <andre____> sry for rushing lol
[22:27] <EriC^^> type sudo apt-get install testdisk
[22:28] <wileee> SuperLag, Heh, met you at freegeek
[22:28] <wileee> meet*
[22:28] <landau> hello I'd need the E04XAF  NAG fortran subroutine...please could someone share it with me? I need it very much!!
[22:28] <andre____> uhh
[22:28] <andre____> andre@andre-M17xR4:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get install testdisk
[22:28] <andre____> Reading package lists... Done
[22:28] <andre____> Building dependency tree
[22:28] <andre____> Reading state information... Done
[22:28] <andre____> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[22:28] <bekks> andre____: USe a pastebin please.
[22:28] <bekks> andre____: You got quieted for the second time for not doing so ;)
[22:29] <SuperLag> Can I clone an Ubuntu install with rsync?
[22:29] <EriC^^> SuperLag: yeah, just not the mbr
[22:29] <landau> hello I'd need the E04XAF  NAG fortran subroutine...please could someone share it with me? I need it very much!!
[22:29] <andre_____> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11901394/
[22:29] <andre_____> i got that error
[22:29] <SuperLag> I've got a machine to take from 10 to 14. I want to make sure I have a copy of it outside of production.
[22:30] <EriC^^> andre_____: type sudo apt-get -f install
[22:30] <pokergod> I had dual screens setup.  I unplugged the monitor, and usually the apps move to the left ...  I have apps open on the right, how do I move them to the left screen without seeing them?
[22:30] <andre_____> ok  done
[22:30] <pokergod> yay i found a way
[22:31] <EriC^^> andre_____: did it work?
[22:31] <andre_____> yeah
[22:31] <andre_____> it looks like it*
[22:31] <pokergod> if you ever have a window you cannot find;  alt+space, move, drag until you see it
[22:31] <EriC^^> andre_____: did you install testdisk?
[22:31] <andre_____> yeah
[22:31] <andre_____> how can i double check?
[22:32] <OerHeks> landau, you might want to ask in ##fortran too, as that script is not in our repos
[22:32] <EriC^^> pokergod: yeah, or alt+f7
[22:32] <EriC^^> alt+space then n is probably my favorite
[22:32] <landau> OerHeks, ok thanks
[22:32] <pokergod> what is alt+space,n ?
[22:32] <EriC^^> minimize a window
[22:33] <pokergod> and i didn't know about alt+f7, gotta look that one up
[22:33] <andre_____> kk its definatly installed
[22:34] <EriC^^> andre_____: ok, now type sudo testdisk
[22:34] <andre_____> sudo: teskdisk: command not found
[22:34] <EriC^^> testdisk
[22:34] <andre_____> omg fail
[22:35] <andre_____> kk its a sorta cyan screen
[22:35] <EriC^^> ok, choose no log then  no log
[22:35] <EriC^^> then choose your disk
[22:35] <andre_____> kk
[22:36] <andre_____> im assuming intel?
[22:36] <andre_____> (i have no idea)
[22:36] <EriC^^> if it's default yeah
[22:36] <EriC^^> press enter, if it was over gpt choose that
[22:37] <andre_____> kk
[22:37] <EriC^^> then do a quick search
[22:37] <andre_____> analyse?
[22:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:38] <EriC^^> let it run for a bit then hit stop
[22:38] <andre_____> now it says linux, extended, linux swap
[22:38] <andre_____> in that order
[22:38] <EriC^^> any MS DATA ?
[22:39] <andre_____> im not sure
[22:39] <andre_____> which option should i choose
[22:39] <EriC^^> do you see anything that says ms data to the left?
[22:39] <andre_____> no.
[22:39] <andre_____> is that bad
[22:39] <blackwc> Something happened to my wifi
[22:40] <EriC^^> try deep search
[22:40] <blackwc> It won't turn on
[22:40] <blackwc> Rfkill says hard block
[22:40] <EriC^^> blackwc: does your laptop have a switch?
[22:40] <andre_____> how do i do deep search
[22:40] <blackwc> Yes but it won't work
[22:40] <EriC^^> andre_____: press enter, then press on deep search
[22:41] <andre_____> there was no deep search option
[22:41] <EriC^^> andre_____: after you press enter what do you get?
[22:42] <andre_____> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11901449/
[22:42] <blackwc> EriC^^: it's a dunction key and rfkill says that it's a hard block
[22:42] <blackwc> Function
[22:42] <blackwc> It won't turn though when I hit fn and f8
[22:42] <EriC^^> andre_____: press enter
[22:43] <andre_____> kk
[22:43] <andre_____> now everything is still
[22:43] <tuxus> hello
[22:43] <EriC^^> andre_____: you should have deep search at the bottom
[22:44] <histo> blackwc: rfkill unblock all
[22:44] <andre_____> no
[22:44] <andre_____> the screen didnt change
[22:44] <andre_____> now i just cant interact with the cmd
[22:44] <blackwc> histo: doesn't do anything
[22:44] <EriC^^> andre_____: ok, try to exit
[22:44] <EriC^^> then type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:44] <tuxus> you speak Spanish
[22:44] <histo> blackwc: and the physical switch does nothing?
[22:44] <blackwc> Yes
[22:45] <blackwc> That is when I hit fn and f8
[22:45] <EriC^^> andre_____: try ctrl+c
[22:45] <blackwc> It doesn't turn on wifi
[22:45] <OerHeks> !sp | tuxus
[22:45] <tuxus> que que paso
[22:45] <OerHeks> !es | tuxus
[22:45] <andre_____> ok there
[22:46] <tuxus> yes
[22:46] <EriC^^> andre_____: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:46] <andre_____> it says http://termbin.com/qoaz
[22:46] <tuxus> because only they speak English
[22:46] <blackwc> Eriq
[22:47] <EriC^^> andre_____: ok, type sudo testdisk again
[22:47] <blackwc> EriC^^: oddly enough my mic works now
[22:47] <blackwc> But now my wifi won't come on
[22:47] <andre_____> kk
[22:47] <tuxus> eric because only they speak English
[22:47] <andre_____> then what
[22:48] <OerHeks> tuxus, we speak english, #ubuntu-es is spanish
[22:48] <EriC^^> andre_____: same thing, no log > choose disk > intel > analyze
[22:48] <andre_____> kk
[22:49] <OerHeks> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[22:49] <andre_____> now it says try to locate partition on bottom
[22:49] <EriC^^> andre_____: when you get to quick search press stop, then enter then choose deep search
[22:50] <andre_____> it says : warning: the current number of heads per cylinder is 255 but the corect value may be 128. you can use geometry menu to change this value.
[22:50] <EriC^^> andre_____: nevermind that
[22:50] <andre_____> ok i pressed continue
[22:51] <andre_____> there was never a deep search option
[22:51] <andre_____> nor do i see one
[22:51] <andre_____> nvm it says deeper search
[22:51] <_Clever> aff
[22:51] <andre_____> kk its doing stuff
[22:52] <andre_____> uhh
[22:52] <_Clever> :P
[22:52] <andre_____> 500/60800
[22:52] <andre_____> 00%
[22:52] <_Clever> O_o
[22:52] <EriC^^> andre_____: any ms data partitions showing up?
[22:52] <andre_____> there is a hpfs - ntfs
[22:52] <andre_____> and the rest say linux
[22:53] <andre_____> to the right of the hpfs - ntfs it says recovery
[22:53] <andre_____> 2 morehpfs - ntfs appeared
[22:53] <andre_____> one says recovery
[22:53] <andre_____> the other says os
[22:53] <EriC^^> bingo
[22:53] <EriC^^> press enter
[22:53] <EriC^^> ok cool
[22:53] <andre_____> kk
[22:53] <EriC^^> press enter
[22:54] <andre_____> enter on which partition
[22:54] <andre_____> theres 4
[22:54] <EriC^^> just to stop the deep search
[22:54] <andre_____> i already did
[22:54] <andre_____> when you said
[22:54] <EriC^^> ok, press p over the biggest partition
[22:54] <andre_____> uhh
[22:54] <EriC^^> check the size
[22:54] <andre_____> linux says 960192512
[22:54] <EriC^^> at the bottom i think is in gb
[22:55] <EriC^^> you want the ntfs ones those are the windows partitions
[22:55] <andre_____> and hpfs - ntfs [OS] says 958365696
[22:55] <andre_____> ok
[22:55] <andre_____> so the biggest ntfs?
[22:55] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:55] <andre_____> when i pressed p
[22:55] <andre_____> a popup said system program problem detected
[22:56] <EriC^^> no problem
[22:57] <andre_____> press cancel?
[22:57] <EriC^^> yeah
[22:57] <andre_____> so on the second line from the bottom
[22:57] <andre_____> its saying
[22:57] <andre_____> Enter: to continueandre@andre-M17xR4:~$
[22:59] <andre_____> im assuming that means that the program stopepd
[23:01] <andre_____> what should i do now
[23:02] <andre_____> uhh
[23:02] <andre_____> you quit.
[23:02] <andre_____> ._.
[23:02] <EriC^^> andre_____: sorry got dc
[23:02] <andre_____> np
[23:02] <andre_____> what should i do now
[23:02] <EriC^^> andre_____: i think it hanged again, try pressing p over the partition to view the files, you can then restore them
[23:03] <EriC^^> andre_____: also, if you have a live usb you should use it instead, cause the more you use ubuntu the more likely you are to overwrite your files
[23:03] <andre_____> its fine
[23:03] <andre_____> i barely have 1 gb
[23:04] <EriC^^> ok, well, can you press p?
[23:04] <andre_____> no
[23:04] <andre_____> i think it crashed
[23:04] <EriC^^> andre_____: you don't need to fill up the hdd to overwrite them
[23:05] <EriC^^> ok, well anyways i'd try from a live usb cause it keeps crashing anyways
[23:06] <andre_____> i have a usb where i test ubuntu
[23:06] <anthonyb92> hey guys, I need some help configuring mopidy, anyone care to try?
[23:07] <andre_____> meh its fine
[23:07] <andre_____> im in the middle of building a desktop
[23:07] <andre_____> so
[23:07] <andre_____> i dont mind one with ubuntu
[23:07] <andre_____> also all my files were slowing down my computer
[23:07] <andre_____> i guess a fresh start isnt that bad
[23:08] <EriC^^> andre_____: well, you can get them easily
[23:08] <EriC^^> ntfs and fat is really remarkably easily to get files back
[23:08] <andre_____> ok fine
[23:08] <EriC^^> ext4 not so much
[23:08] <andre_____> :P
[23:08] <andre_____> i do
[23:09] <andre_____> so on my usb when i boot it should i run the test version of ubuntu
[23:09] <EriC^^> yeah, then enable the universe repo in software & sources
[23:09] <EriC^^> and install testdisk
[23:10] <andre_____> then should i join this irc again?
[23:10] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:10] <andre_____> kk
[23:10] <andre_____> i will be back soon
[23:10] <andre_____> in 5-10 mins idk
[23:10] <andre_____> my name will be andre with some amount of _'s
[23:10] <EriC^^> andre_____: ok
[23:10] <andre_____> thanks
[23:15] <OneM_Industries> Anyone of tools to access a partially corrupt SD drive with the ex-fat filesystem?
[23:15] <wileee> OneM_Industries, partially meaning like one partition?
[23:16] <otirc> OneM_Industries: have you tried to repair it with fsck?
[23:16] <OerHeks> OneM_Industries, 1st: you need some tools to read/write it> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils  # 2nd, fix corrupt exfat by doing repair from windows
[23:16] <OneM_Industries> No, it was in a video camera that got jiggled as it as writing to the chip.
[23:17] <OneM_Industries> Windows wants us to format the chip.
[23:17] <OneM_Industries> And it spits an error when I try to mount it.
[23:17] <OneM_Industries> The video is from a nearspace balloon launch, so we need this data.
[23:17] <blackwc> EriC^^ wileee I have absolutely no idea
[23:17] <blackwc> what I did
[23:18] <blackwc> but my mic is fixed and my wifi works now
[23:18] <blackwc> hahaha
[23:18] <blackwc> that was just plain luck
[23:19] <cain-pol> hey
[23:20] <andre____> brb 5 mins
[23:20] <cain-pol> okok#
[23:20] <EriC^^> ok
[23:21] <grant_> testing
[23:21] <OneM_Industries> OerHeks, you are amazing. It works!
[23:22] <OneM_Industries> There are 4 very happy near space balloonists here now.
[23:22] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:22] <OerHeks> OneM_Industries, have fun
[23:22] <Im> hey...
[23:22] <OneM_Industries> We will be uploading this at some point, so I will send you a link. Thank you!
[23:23] <OerHeks> OneM_Industries, please do !
[23:23] <Im> can someone help me..
[23:23] <OneM_Industries> I will.
[23:23] <OerHeks> Im, just ask, wait and see
[23:23] <OneM_Industries> Hahaha! 3.6 GB out of 21.6 GB!
[23:24] <Bashing-om> Im: Ask and see :)
[23:24] <Im> my Ubuntu is running really slow some help me?
[23:24] <andre____> ok
[23:24] <andre____> erik i installed test disk
[23:24] <andre____> eric*
[23:25] <andre____> should i get to the place where u told me to pres p and it crashed?
[23:25] <EriC^^> ok
[23:25] <EriC^^> andre____: yeah
[23:26] <Im> well... im getting ignored ;(
[23:26] <andre____> im, you might want to give more description
[23:26] <wileee> Im, No you give no ifo to use.
[23:26] <wileee> info*
[23:27] <andre____> eric im at the place where i press p
[23:27] <andre____> should i press it?
[23:27] <Im> sometimes when i load something it lags or take long to load up...
[23:27] <andre____> that could just be a slow computer?
[23:27] <andre____> try getting an ssd
[23:27] <Im> ssd?
[23:28] <wileee> Im, Can you give the hardware info the chip and ram
[23:28] <andre____> solid state drive
[23:28] <andre____> EriC^^ should I press P?
[23:28] <Hudsonkem> Im maybe ur swap is in use.
[23:28] <andre____> im at that plase
[23:28] <andre____> place*
[23:28] <Im> swap in use?
[23:28] <Hudsonkem> yeah! it can make ur pc slow
[23:29] <EriC^^> andre____: yeah press p over the ntfs one
[23:29] <en1gma> i have I7 cpu-gpu (which i use hdmi out with) and i have an old 9600gt which i want to use as a dedicated gpu (mostly for pyrit). if i set bios to boot cpugpu i have a intel driver in "Additional Drivers" that i currently have installed. i also have the nvidia binary 340.76 driver installed but it can only be used if i switch bios to pcie (dedicated gpu) and then boot up
[23:29] <Im> how do i stop that
[23:29] <andre____> same thing
[23:29] <OerHeks> Im, give use some hardware info, this has nothing to do with swap i guess
[23:29] <andre____> it looks like it crashed
[23:29] <Hudsonkem> just change the default value 60 to 10
[23:29] <Hudsonkem> how much ram do u have?
[23:29] <en1gma> can someone walk me thru with what i need to do.? right now in bios i using my I7 gpu and in ubuntu it using the intel driver i believe
[23:29] <Im> when i checked that it said 10 so im good thier
[23:29] <EriC^^> andre____: try pressing p over another ntfs partition
[23:30] <andre____> the recovery?
[23:30] <OerHeks> Hudsonkem, please don't say random solutions. lets see the specs first.
[23:30] <Im> RAM how do i find out?
[23:30] <EriC^^> andre____: which one did you try the os one?
[23:30] <en1gma> if i leave bios at cpu-gpu and try to boot up when i have the nvidia binary enabled in addition drivers i get stuck at screen
[23:30] <andre____> Yeah, the [OS]
[23:30] <EriC^^> andre____: do you need any files on ubuntu?
[23:30] <andre____> no
[23:30] <en1gma> so that is when i have to change back to nouveau or change bios to gpu 9600gt) and boot up
[23:30] <EriC^^> andre____: ok, when you get to deep search
[23:30] <Im> how do i find out my RAM?
[23:31] <Hudsonkem> OerHeks isn't handom but, is the recommended to plus more than 2 gb
[23:31] <EriC^^> andre____: press the right arrow so you select the partitions, the ntfs ones
[23:31] <en1gma> i have gnome-flashback-session installed too
[23:32] <andre____> uhh
[23:32] <andre____> should i go into deep
[23:32] <andre____> or no
[23:32] <en1gma> right now in additional drivers. nouveau is selected for 9600 gt and intel driver for my cpu-gpu which im actively using right now
[23:32] <EriC^^> andre____: yeah
[23:33] <andre____> kk deeper search is running
[23:33] <andre____> now what
[23:33] <Im> Hudsonkem how do i find out me ram?
[23:33] <Hudsonkem> Im in terminal >> free -m
[23:33] <EriC^^> andre____: press enter so it stops
[23:33] <Hudsonkem> check the total ram value
[23:33] <Im> okay
[23:33] <andre____> ok
[23:33] <andre____> now what
[23:33] <en1gma> if i install nvidia binary 304 then everything boots fine no matter what i set bios too but i have no bbswitch to select the 9600gt as dedicated physx for when im booted up using my cpu-gpu as primary over hdmi
[23:33] <Im>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cachedMem:          2010       1589        420        135         58        997-/+ buffers/cache:        534       1476Swap:         2036         54       1982
[23:34] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Do you have nvidia-prime installed " Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime " ?
[23:34] <Hudsonkem> Im let we pm
[23:34] <en1gma> Bashing-om i dont think i have that stuff installed. is that just a regular packag in ubuntu 15.04 or do i need add a ppa?
[23:35] <andre____> it says use left/right arrow keys to change partition characteristics
[23:35] <EriC^^> andre____: ok, press the right arrow so they ntfs ones have a P next to them or so
[23:35] <andre____> all the ntfs?
[23:35] <andre____> or just [OS]
[23:35] <EriC^^> andre____: you're selecting which partitions to have in the partition table, so they have to match and not overlap
[23:35] <EriC^^> andre____: you can do all of them if you want
[23:36] <andre____> ill just do OS i guess
[23:36] <EriC^^> ubuntu will disappear though, but you're get the files back
[23:36] <andre____> enter?
[23:36] <EriC^^> andre____: ok,
[23:36] <EriC^^> press enter
[23:36] <andre____> (idc if ubuntu dissapears
[23:36] <en1gma> Bashing-om tried to install nvidia-prime and it says i do have it installed
[23:36] <andre____> will this be the last time we talk?
[23:36] <andre____> will it go back?
[23:36] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[23:36] <andre____> or will it just take me to another menu
[23:37] <EriC^^> it should ask if you want to write the partition table
[23:37] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Not too sure at what version nvidia driver picks up and installs nvidia-prime, and it only works in MUXless systems . What returns ' dpkg -l nvidia-prime ' ?
[23:37] <andre____> it is asking
[23:37] <EriC^^> or it should say write at the bottom
[23:37] <andre____> select write and press enter?
[23:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:37] <andre____> confirm y/n
[23:37] <andre____> y?
[23:37] <EriC^^> y
[23:37] <andre____> you will have to reboot for the change to take effect
[23:38] <andre____> i pressed OK
[23:38] <EriC^^> ok, reboot the live usb again and you should be able to mount it and get the files
[23:38] <en1gma> "ii  nvidia-prime                                 0.8.1                       amd64                       Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime"
[23:38] <andre____> ok
[23:38] <andre____> brb in 5 mins
[23:38] <EriC^^> ok
[23:38] <jhsf78afafd> andre____, tyt (5 mins only)
[23:38] <en1gma> Bashing-om if i try to run 'nvidia detector' it dont detect anything. do i need to leave dvi to vga cable hooked to card and tv?
[23:39] <en1gma> remember i just want this as a dedicated physx pretty much just to assist in pyrit
[23:39] <Bashing-om> en1gma: If you have to ise a VGA adaptor, yuk !
[23:39] <Bashing-om> use*
[23:39] <en1gma> i know. i dont want to leave that fat vga cable hooked up in my living room attached to my lcd on the wall
[23:40] <FelixFire619> How would i go about clearing all netstat resaults
[23:41] <andre______> eric
[23:41] <andre______> im not gay but
[23:41] <andre______> I LOVE YOUY
[23:41] <andre______> THANK YOU SO MUCH
[23:41] <EriC^^> :D
[23:41] <andre______> MY STUFF IS THERE
[23:41] <EriC^^> no problem
[23:41] <andre______> sorry for caps
[23:41] <andre______> but my joy
[23:41] <andre______> cannot be contained
[23:41] <EriC^^> haha
[23:41] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:41] <andre______> so
[23:41] <OerHeks> !cookie | EriC^^
[23:41] <Bashing-om> en1gma: You are just not going to get good performance with a VGA cable is all . Will not support higher resolutions.
[23:41] <andre______> did it restore windows?
[23:42] <andre______> !cookie | EriC^^
[23:42] <EriC^^> andre______: no, you'd have to select all the ntfs ones, and restore the mbr too
[23:42] <andre______> meh
[23:42] <SuperLag> libpango-1.0-0:amd64 conflicts with plymouth:amd64
[23:42] <andre______> did u get the cookie?
[23:42] <en1gma> Bashing-om i just want the 9600gt to have no output and use it as a dedicated physx/cuda card mostly just for pyrit
[23:42] <jhsf78afafd> andre______, i'd give you some.. cookies, if you know what i mean ;)
[23:42] <SuperLag> doing an upgrade from 12.04.5 to 14.04.2
[23:42] <SuperLag> How do I fix that?
[23:42] <en1gma> im using my cpu-gpu onboard hdmi and everything in 1080P and looks good
[23:43] <andre______> i am so happy
[23:43] <andre______> like srsly
[23:43] <en1gma> i would like to use that cpu with the 9600gt gpu for pyrit
[23:43] <en1gma> but use the hdmi out on the cpu-gpu
[23:43] <en1gma> for display
[23:43] <andre______> you are amazing
[23:44] <andre______> thank you so much
[23:44] <andre______> i cannot repay you
[23:44] <EriC^^> andre______: no problem :)
[23:44] <jhsf78afafd> is anyone rich enough here to buy me a GOOD, POWAFUL pc so that i will be able to accommodate my beloved OS somewhere lovely?
[23:44] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Should be able to control the graphics sets from within the nvidia-prime GUI tool . Set the card you want and restart the GUI .
[23:45] <jhsf78afafd> ok don't ban me, i need support now and then and i come here, i will just go for now
[23:45] <andre______> ok i am running a test ubuntu from my flash drive
[23:45] <andre______> how do i install ubuntu to my flash drive?
[23:46] <wileee> andre______, from another booted ubuntu for install
[23:46] <andre______> ?
[23:46] <EriC^^> andre______: you need another usb, or a working grub
[23:46] <en1gma> you mean keep bios to cpu-gpu (for hdmi out) then go into addition drivers and keep the intel active and pick nvidia binary driver 304.xx? the 340.xx wont boot when i have cpu-gpu in bios selected
[23:46] <andre______> oh nah
[23:46] <en1gma> i get blank/black screen
[23:46] <jhsf78afafd> andre______, or a cd-rom
[23:46] <EriC^^> andre______: grub still works right?
[23:46] <andre______> how do i check
[23:47] <EriC^^> try booting the pc without the live usb
[23:47] <andre______> ho
[23:47] <andre______> oh
[23:47] <andre______> when i did that
[23:47] <andre______> it went to grub rescue i think
[23:47] <wileee> iso from grub you got it
[23:47] <EriC^^> ok, cool i think you can use that to boot an iso
[23:47] <EriC^^> then install to the usb
[23:47] <andre______> ok
[23:47] <EriC^^> hold on
[23:47] <andre______> you are like a freaking
[23:47] <andre______> beas
[23:47] <andre______> beast
[23:47] <andre______> at comps
[23:48] <EriC^^> andre______: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[23:48] <EriC^^> lol
[23:49] <SuperLag> Does do-release-upgrade actions get logged anywhere, so if you have issues during an upgrade from 12 to 14, so that you can go back and address issues that come up?
[23:49] <jhsf78afafd> EriC^^ is lovely, isnt she ;)
[23:49] <jacklondon> hello
[23:49] <Kully3xf> Hola - how do I connect to a nas?
[23:49] <rtreleaven> SuperLag I want to know also
[23:49] <jacklondon> sorry
[23:50] <Kully3xf> windows just go to \\<IP_ADDRESS>\ and it populates,
[23:50] <wileee> SuperLag, You been at PSU labs at all?
[23:50] <rtreleaven> Kully3xf depends what protocol that nas offers
[23:50] <Kully3xf> here it's asking for a password and on term. it won't mount
[23:50] <andre______> Eric
[23:50] <Kully3xf> it's a usb drive plugged into my router
[23:50] <SuperLag> wileee: no, sir. We've only talked on here.
[23:50] <en1gma> Bashing-om how do you get into nvidia-prime. no command in bash
[23:50] <andre______> TBH i would feel much safer if i would get on my phone IRC, and you assist me step by step
[23:51] <wileee> SuperLag, I meant just for use or study. Excellent computer science program, linux labs and all, you may know this already.
[23:51] <EriC^^> andre______: sure, no problem
[23:51] <jhsf78afafd> EriC^^, may i have your number too
[23:51] <EriC^^> andre______: you need an .iso
[23:52] <SuperLag> wileee: I haven't. I finished college in '13. University of Phoenix, Business Management. I *wish* I'd have just done CS at PSU.
[23:53] <en1gma> im going to install an nvidia older binary driver of 304.xxx thats in the additional drivers. that lets my boot cpu-gpu hdmi and still have nvcc but i dont see that switcher that lets me selected intel for power savings and nvidia for performance like i used too.
[23:53] <andre______> Eric
[23:53] <en1gma> brb
[23:53] <jhsf78afafd> SuperLag, future and opportunities await you
[23:53] <SuperLag> jhsf78afafd: <vomit>
[23:53] <andre______> will you be on for the next half hour or so
[23:53] <wileee> SuperLag, Me to, I went there but different undergrad in the end, best.
[23:53] <jhsf78afafd> SuperLag, let me clean that
[23:53] <SuperLag> jhsf78afafd: I finished because I was >75% of the way done, and it didn't make sense to swtich.
[23:53] <SuperLag> jhsf78afafd: believe me, I wish I'd done CS
[23:54] <andre______> eric i will join the irc again if i ened help
[23:54] <andre______> thanks
[23:54] <EriC^^> andre______: yeah
[23:54] <jhsf78afafd> SuperLag, why? aren't all jobs being given to indias nowadays?
[23:54] <wileee> feed the beast ;)
[23:54] <jhsf78afafd> indians
[23:54] <EriC^^> andre______: can you download an .iso for ubuntu?
[23:55] <EriC^^> from the live usb and save it to the partition?
[23:56] <en1gma> shouldnt be so hard to set onboard gpu as primary over hdmi and then set dedicated nvidia cards as secondary and for physx only so no cord is needed
[23:56] <jhsf78afafd> SuperLag, y did u choose that major in the 1st place
[23:57] <jhsf78afafd> SuperLag, watch the wolf of the wallstreet and you wll know that you did the right choice ;)
[23:58] <Andre______> Ok so
[23:58] <jhsf78afafd> EriC^^,
[23:58] <Andre______> turns out
[23:58] <Andre______> i need help lol
[23:58] <jhsf78afafd> EriC^^, andre needs help
[23:58] <EriC^^> what's up?
[23:58] <Bashing-om> en1gma: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics ; http://askubuntu.com/questions/412452/getting-hybrid-graphics-to-work-nvidia-prime-gt650m .
[23:58] <SuperLag> jhsf78afafd: because I could have taught over half of the courses in the IT program they were offering at the time.
[23:59] <en1gma> Bashing-om those are the guides i been following
[23:59] <en1gma> thanks though
[23:59] <en1gma> have a few more guides bookmarked too but nothing working yet
[23:59] <en1gma> my vcard is older then his and i have a different problem.


[00:00] <stgraber> so about earlier, looks like 3.13.0-12 boots fine so blaming it on cosmic rays
[00:26] <infinity> stgraber: Not cosmis rays at all, it was the IPMI stuff getting built in and then removed again because it broke the world.
[00:31] <stgraber> infinity: hmm, oh, I see now in the 3.13.0-12 changelog... do I even want to know how enabling IPMI prevents arm boxes from booting? :)
[00:33] <trippeh> ipmi on arm boxes. is that arm on arm? :)
[00:45] <infinity> stgraber: Not sure we've dug deep enough into it yet, but the assumption is that on machines without a known IPMI interface, it starts randomly probing for one, and we all remember how well that worked out back in the ISA days.
[00:47] <infinity> stgraber: So, works great on highbank and midway, kinda explodes nearly everything else.
[05:59] <Chrizby> Anyone knowledgable in configuring a netgear wifi usb adapter to working in Ubuntu?
[16:23] <bjf> kamal__, ping


[19:20] <jucs> Hey there :-P
[19:21] <jucs> Is Ubuntu MID still beeing worked on? As far as I can see, 8.04 was the last release...


[11:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:34] <newb2> Hello! My Nautilus is showing folders mixed with files, and the Edit-> Preferences dialog is gone. how can I restore the default behavior of Nautilus and where I find the preferences dialog?
[15:36] <Walther> newb2: I think that's a thing of big debates at the moment
[15:36] <Walther> features being removed and such
[15:38] <Daekdroom> That annoys me too, and I honestly couldn't find a way to revert it :(
[15:42] <newb2> Walther, Daekdroom: I got an answer at #gnome irc channel right now: It's possible access the preferences dialog and change this behavior clicking at app menu at right side of "Activities" menu. Nautilus is now integrated and the menu opens there
[15:43] <newb2> Walther, Daekdroom: Finnaly worked for me ! :D
[15:44] <Daekdroom> Ah. Found it.
[15:44] <Daekdroom> :D
[15:46] <Walther> personally, I have a weird issue with the theme
[15:46] <Walther> I know it was reworked, but as I ran an *upgrade*, the buttons that should be orange have a white center etc
[15:51] <newb2> Walther: At sidebar?
[15:51] <Walther> No, in general in quantal
[15:51] <Walther> in various places
[15:53] <newb2> Walther: Ok, I don't got this issue yet... Only in Nautilus, but it's really the new Nautilus version...
[15:53] <Walther> newb2: but again, I did an upgrade, not a clean install
[15:56] <Daekdroom> Walther, I have the same issue.
[15:56] <Daekdroom> With buttons and progressbars.
[15:56] <Daekdroom> I believe it's a bug they have yet to fix.
[15:56] <Walther> mmhmm
[16:00] <Daekdroom> Perhaps it's happening within the Unico engine.
[18:57] <genii-around> last update left me with only XFCE session as an option from lightdm. Needed to reinstall kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop to reinstate the other options.
[19:06] <shadeslayer> genii-around: ah yes
[19:06] <shadeslayer> that happened to me as well
[19:07] <shadeslayer> no idea why
[19:07] <shadeslayer> upgrade removed kde-workspace bin as well
[19:07] <genii-around> And gnome-session-bin here as well


[01:16] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:16] <cmaloney> Yeah, I use w3m on occasion
[01:17] <rick_h_> anyone have a fav apache2 redirect rule tool
[01:18] <cmaloney> other than trial and error, no
[02:12] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: redirect or rewrite?
[02:13] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: rewrite, either really.
[02:13] <rick_h_> I think I'm close, will have to play with it some tomorrow
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> http://borkweb.com/story/apache-rewrite-cheatsheet
[02:15] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/p6Efb - Apache Rewrite Cheatsheet | BorkWeb
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> the bookmark i have
[02:54] <mrgoodcat> is there a list of people who develop silverlight websites so I can figure out who to kill when I finally snap?
[05:16] <greg-g> https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/DB19E709C9EDB903F75F2E6CA95C84D637B62A02
[05:16] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Ih5sof - Atlas
[05:16] <greg-g> fuck yeah
[05:16] <greg-g> just started up tonight
[05:38] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: is that a wikimedia run tor exit node?
[11:48] <rick_h_> morning
[11:51] <brousch> yes
[12:25] <mrgoodcat> thats cool. need more organizationally run exit nodes. better hardware/speed/reliability/etc
[12:29] <mrgoodcat> http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/21/pi-pads/
[12:29] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mTczNV - Raspberry Pi Founder Shows Off Incoming Touch Panel For Making DIY ‘Pi Pads’ | TechCrunch
[14:16] <cmaloney> Goodmorning
[14:19] <rick_h_> morning
[14:19] <rick_h_> the good part can be debated for a while
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> finally found time to make a working implementation of a yubikey otp authenticator
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> https://github.com/dyladan/yubikey
[14:45] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/hBCh5q - dyladan/yubikey · GitHub
[15:32] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I'd <3 a README.md that explains what that code does. ;)
[15:41] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: not exit, relay
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: yea in the process of documenting it
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> also library-ifying it
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> making it so you can decrypt and parse keys separately and read the data from the decoded token
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> client.py has the most basic usage of it but if you want to know how it works you have to ready yubikey/__init__.py and yubikey/util.py
[16:37] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHzgBerQmsg
[16:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/nbrpwe - The Game Of Go - Minecraft Implementation of a board for Go (Weiqi, Baduk) - YouTube
[16:45] <cmaloney> http://www.geek.com/news/taylor-swift-tops-itunes-with-8-seconds-of-white-noise-that-costs-1-29-1607456/
[16:45] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/KFRNC4 - Taylor Swift tops iTunes with 8 seconds of white noise that costs $1.29 | News | Geek.com
[17:10] <brousch> cmaloney: Funny. I was just thinking about making a minecraft Go board last night
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> anybody have inbox invites?
[17:12] <brousch> Have wat?
[17:15] <mrgoodcat> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/10/an-inbox-that-works-for-you.html
[17:15] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/vP2t8L - Official Google Blog: An inbox that works for you
[17:16] <brousch> I turned off all the extra crap in gmail
[17:16] <brousch> Easier to scroll through new message and deal with them
[17:17] <mrgoodcat> i turned off the multiple inboxes thing too
[17:17] <mrgoodcat> i just want to see inbox
[17:18] <brousch> Hehe, you let me make pretty much the smallest 2 eyed thing possible
[17:21] <mrgoodcat> yea i can see that... i'm still not sure how you were able to do that without me stopping it
[17:23] <brousch> There were many chances, but you didn't see what my goal was so you took more reasonable moves
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> yea i didnt even notice what you were doing until it was too late
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> move 90 was where i figured out i couln't stop you
[17:26] <brousch> Sounds right
[17:28] <brousch> One of my random opponents did it to me. I think the tell-tale sign of it is the 2 rows of 2 parallel to a wall
[17:48] <brousch> cmaloney: I'm really curious to see if you can preserve and finish that eye before I kill it. It will be a good fight
[17:53] <brousch> Actually f9 or f7 or j7 will get you the second eye. So many choices!
[18:22] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: updated readme on https://github.com/dyladan/yubikey
[18:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/hBCh5q - dyladan/yubikey · GitHub
[18:48] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: tx
[18:49] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah. ;)
[18:49] <rick_h_> reminder CHC tonight
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: if you actually read it let me know what you think
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> if you find an obvious mistake or anything like that
[18:50] <rick_h_> see rick spike his coffee and dance on coffee tables
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> i'm pretty excited about being able to use my yubikey for local non-internet applications tho
[18:50] <mrgoodcat> like the pi
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: i'd pay to see that. also is this week early edition?
[18:54] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: next week
[18:54] <mrgoodcat> ok
[18:54] <cmaloney> Yeah, this week is late-edition
[21:02] <mrgoodcat> brousch: this game might be over
[21:03] <brousch> up to you. i have no more attacks
[21:04] <mrgoodcat> i'd like to try anyways


[03:59] <mouse-_> hm- anyone get adobe flash to work on this yet, or is the work porting the flash from 0xdroid up for grabs
[04:13] <rcn-ee> mouse-_, ti's adobe binary was no help?
[04:16] <Neko> I don't see what the point is, it's not really a product... see the little blurb under TI's flash page, if you wanna ship it anywhere, you have to be qualified by an Adobe partner
[04:16] <Neko> it'll never ever go into a partner repo for example :(
[04:16] <Neko> or restricted on armel
[04:17] <Neko> unless digikey sponsor it..
[04:17] <Neko> and pay for the oem services at canonical L]
[04:18] <rcn-ee> me neither, it should be a straight download from adobe like x86.. but even their it's bloated, so it's a good thing it's that way.. ;)
[04:19] <Neko> Adobe just don't have the manpower to do it on every little arm board
[04:19] <Neko> it's hard enough building every possible combination on the PC :)
[04:20] <Neko> different radeon and nvidia drivers, intel, amd, windows xp upwards, service packs, browser versions..
[04:20] <rcn-ee> true...  i'm just thinking a generic universal armv7 binary.. ;) but without dsp help it would be too slow..
[04:20] <Neko> most of flash is software anyway
[04:20] <Neko> they have some fancy neon code in there
[04:21] <rcn-ee> yeap, and ffmpeg plays flash videos fine..
[04:21] <Neko> the amount of help you get for video codecs is minimal and on ARM they decided to use OpenMAX
[04:21] <Neko> what's left that OpenMAX doesn't do, it's all software.. not custom DSP code, just plain C and some assembler
[04:22] <Neko> it links to OpenGLES2 on iMX515 too, but there is a little contention on whether it is even using it
[04:22] <Neko> someone said it may have been pushed to 10.2
[04:33] <bkero> persia: I recompiled the netwalker kernel in my lucid image, and nothing has crashed yet. :D
[04:48] <bernard_> mouse-_: i've gotten it running using binaries from maemo
[04:48] <bernard_> (it = flash)
[04:50] <rcn-ee> bernard_, that was a nice catch, that config change had been in their for almost a year.. ;)
[05:00] <bernard_> rcn-ee: heh. i only found it because i'm compiling natively on my beagleboard, and the config change killed the dependency tracking.
[05:00] <mouse-_> rcn-ee: ti's adobe binary ?? it's inaccessible :P
[05:00] <bernard_> (now i can do minor changes, and rebuild my kernel on the beagle in 2 minutes)
[05:00] <mouse-_> btw, has anyone else gotten any errors like this - [  116.582672] asoc: interface omap-mcbsp-dai-0 hw params failed
[05:01] <mouse-_> bernard_: nice! thanks for the pointer
[05:01] <bernard_> mouse-_: ack. same happens to me on login, but never after that.
[05:01] <mouse-_> ahh, yeah
[05:02] <mouse-_> oo, does the maemo flash use the sgx libs
[05:04] <bernard_> mouse-_: doesn't look like it.
[05:05] <bernard_> mouse-_: http://pastebin.com/brdmvuTc
[05:06] <bernard_> mouse-_: all the libraries are in ubuntu except for 2.
[05:06] <bernard_> mouse-_: libplayback-1-0 i copied from maemo also. libhildonfm i just created a dummy library for (it doesn't seem to use it unless it needs a file open/save dialog)
[05:11]  * mouse-_ nods
[05:13] <Neko> anyone noticed console-setup not fixing up the font?
[11:42] <bernard_> rcn-ee: any chance you could pick up this patch in your 2.6-stable series? http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=128744421925804&w=2
[11:45] <bernard_> (davem's taken it for 2.6.37)
[11:57] <Mike^> ogra_ac: just curious, does 'ac' stand for  toshiba ac100?
[11:57] <ogra_ac> Mike^, yep
[11:57] <Mike^> ogra_ac, and how is it?
[11:57] <ogra_ac> great if you can live without the proprietary bits
[11:58] <ogra_ac> (which do the power management, sound and stuff like that)
[11:58] <Mike^> you mean no 3d, no video, no PM :)
[11:58] <ogra_ac> its awesome to have a device i can do arm development on though
[11:58] <ogra_ac> right
[11:59] <Mike^> you mean native builds?
[12:00] <ogra_ac> yes, thats what we do in ubuntu
[12:03] <Mike^> I'm trying to push Nvidia to at least make the proprietary bits independed of the kernel/X11 version, like they do in x86
[12:04] <Mike^> probably having ac100 users posting such requests on their forum will help...
[12:08] <ogra_ac> Mike^, yeah, DKMS modules and a redistribution license for the daemon stuff would be cool
[12:09] <ogra_ac> Mike^, btw, there is an #ac100 channel
[12:10] <Mike^> ogra_ac: it's almost the same people :)
[12:13] <suihkulokki> I'd say ac100 is good example why mainlining android is needed
[12:13] <ogra_ac> ugh
[12:13] <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, why ?
[12:14] <Mike^> suihkulokki: mainlining android won't help with ac100 until nvidia do something with the drivers
[12:14] <suihkulokki> ogra_ac: less porting of the drivers?
[12:14] <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, i think ac100 is the *best* example why android is not for netbooks
[12:14] <ogra_ac> no need to port any android drivers for ac100 on ubuntu
[12:15] <suihkulokki> you mean it works out of box with ubuntu kernel?
[12:15] <ogra_ac> we a) have the kernel source from toshiba and b) the community maintained ac100 ubuntu kernel doesnt have a single android module
[12:15] <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, http://ac100.gudinna.com/
[12:16] <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, the community upstream tree is on gitorious since weeks
[12:16] <ogra_ac> (for the kernel)
[12:16] <suihkulokki> its still a fork
[12:16] <suihkulokki> it is openwrt all over again
[12:16] <hrw> suihkulokki: it is not openwrt
[12:16] <Mike^> suihkulokki: with current tegra support in kernel it'll remain a fork for a long time
[12:17] <ogra_ac> its a tegra 2.6.29 kernel with toshiba sauce on top
[12:17] <ogra_ac> indeed its not ideal
[12:17] <ogra_ac> (i dont claim that)
[12:18] <ogra_ac> but it surely doesnt need any android bits
[12:18] <suihkulokki> I was under the impression the drivers have android pm hooks inside
[12:18] <Mike^> ogra_ac: I think you can run the tegra tree from the android repos, afaik they already have fbdev added
[12:18] <ogra_ac> and https://launchpad.net/ac100 makes some slow progress already
[12:19] <ogra_ac> Mike^, no LCD support for the ac100 yet
[12:19] <Mike^> does it have external display connector?
[12:19] <ogra_ac> yes, but that only works with the nvidia bits
[12:20] <Neko> ogra, wow, you left that bare :D
[12:20] <ogra_ac> it has HDMI
[12:20] <Mike^> so, there's a chance :)
[12:20] <ogra_ac> but needs some magically trigger from the nvrm_daemon to switch on
[12:20] <ogra_ac> reverse engineering most of the daemon should be possible
[12:21] <ogra_ac> (since you have full acess to the kernel side)
[12:21] <Mike^> right
[12:21] <hrw> ogra_ac: so no display at all?
[12:21] <ogra_ac> most stuff is done by just sending ioctls
[12:21] <ogra_ac> hrw, not with the non toshiba source yet
[12:21] <ogra_ac> someone needs to forward port the sauce
[12:25] <saboteur> tomato or bbq ?
[12:30] <Mike^> hdmi and lcd
[12:33] <lag> Sounds awesome
[12:34] <lag> Does the processor work?
[12:34] <lag> How about RAM?
[12:34] <lag> :)
[12:35] <ogra_ac> ?
[12:35] <ogra_ac> i'm typing on an ac100, so yes, ram and cpu work :P
[12:41] <lag> ;)
[12:41] <lag> The only things that do by the sounds of it ;)
[12:41] <ogra_ac> nope
[12:41] <ogra_ac> i can show you mine at UDS :)
[12:41]  * Mike^ looking at git://gitorious.org/ac100/kernel.git/drivers/paz00/lcdhdmi-disp.c
[12:42] <ogra_ac> i use it as my main work machine since a few weeks
[12:42] <ogra_ac> lag, there will be plenty ac100's at UDS btw, i know about at least 6 owners now that will bring theirs
[12:43] <ogra_ac> lag, power management, 3D, HW buttons and local sound (usb works) dont work yet
[12:45] <ogra_ac> 3D is unlikely to happen unless nvidia release the driver in a way we can use DKMS with it ... buttons are possible to get to work through a free daemon app that sends the right ioctls to the kernel
[12:45] <ogra_ac> sound is tricky ... and power management too since thats all handled by a proprietary daemon in userspace
[12:46] <ogra_ac> and in android the PM is mostly done through hotplugging one CPU
[12:46] <ogra_ac> which is horribly laggish
[12:48] <Mike^> ogra_ac: seems that everything except 3D and video is possible even without the daemon
[12:48] <ogra_ac> well,i'm not sure about brightness control and cpufreq
[12:49] <Mike^> the PMIC bits are in the mainline and what's missing is the arch/arm/mach-tegra/board-ac100.c
[12:49] <Mike^> that will tie everithing together
[12:50] <ogra_ac> well, it surely needs somone to work on it ... and preferably someone with more kernel background than me ;)
[12:50] <ogra_ac> i'm fine doing one ot the other ugly hack, but i'm not a kernel dev
[12:51] <Mike^> if I'll find a time to send you some patches, will you test them? knowing that it may brick your netbook? ;-)
[12:52] <ogra_ac> brick ?
[12:52] <ogra_ac> i can always revert to another kernel ;)
[12:53] <Mike^> playing with PMIC may be dangerous :)
[12:53] <hrw> tried kexec?
[12:53] <hrw> ops, wrong window
[12:54] <ogra_ac> i tried kexec though ;)
[12:54] <ogra_ac> didnt work
[12:58] <Mike^> ogra_ac: anyway, I have too many stuff to finish before plumbers, so your ac100 is safe for now :)
[12:59] <ogra_ac> Mike^, i'll be at plumbers, lets play there ;)
[12:59] <Mike^> no problem :)
[13:03] <rcn-ee> sure, bernard_ i'll add that smsc patch, it'll make alot of xM users happy...
[13:04] <bernard_> rcn-ee: great. thank you!
[14:03] <vstehle> Dear ogra (or ogra_ac), would you have some time to help me with our LP PPA, please? It seems some of the team PPA will not build for armel...
[14:17] <ogra_ac> vstehle, whats the exact prob ?
[14:19] <vstehle> ogra_ac, the PPA private-stable and stable won't build for armel. Also, the PPA 'private-stable' does not look very private :)
[14:20] <vstehle> ogra_ac, for example  http://paste.ubuntu.com/517426/. This is on PPA private-stable
[14:23] <vstehle> ogra_ac, for the "private/non-private" part of the issue; private-stable has the following URL: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/private-stable/ubuntu. This is not a private PPA. It should read something more like https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/private-stable/ubuntu
[14:24] <ogra_ac> vstehle, hmm, hard to check ... let me log out of LP
[14:25] <vstehle> ogra_ac, good idea. I just did, and I can see private-stable
[14:25] <ogra_ac> vstehle, yes, private-stable seems to have been set up wrongly
[14:26] <ogra_ac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev only shows public ones beyond that
[14:27] <vstehle> ogra_ac, would you please be able to fix it? This PPA can even be deleted and re-created if needed; there is nothing in it. But I think we would like to keep the name, so making the changes from the web interface would probably not work...
[14:28] <ogra_ac> well, trying to find out whats wrong atm
[14:30] <vstehle> Oh you are "digging in the guts" of LP? Cool :)
[14:32] <ogra_ac> i deleted it, but recreating a new one with that name doesnt offer me to make it private it seems
[14:32] <ogra_ac> i'll ask in #launchpad i think
[14:34] <ogra_ac> vstehle, wrt your rejected upload, line 8 in the paste is wrong ;)
[14:50] <ogra_ac> vstehle, seems there is no LOSA available in #launchpad atm, i'm waiting for an answer there
[14:53] <vstehle> ogra_ac, I think private-stable is now private. At least it disappeared from the webpage...
[14:53] <ogra_ac> vstehle, (btw, you can contact them directly there too )
[14:53] <ogra_ac> vstehle, no, i deleted it since there were already directories for the failed upload
[14:54] <ogra_ac> we need to get it completely wiped and then the help of a LOSA to make sure the newly created one is completely private
[14:54] <ogra_ac> i couldnt make out the difference through the UI so there must be some admin love involved
[15:16] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: hm, lots of people complaining about lack of sound in beagle xm with ubuntu
[15:16] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: what is needed to make it work?
[15:17] <rsalveti> asking you as I remember you tested that :-)
[15:17] <armin76> fix!
[15:18] <GrueMaster> I only got it to work in speaker-test.  I can't remember off hand what settings they were.  Will look to see if I still have the amixer diff.
[15:18] <GrueMaster> Give me a few minutes as I am just up and waiting for coffee.
[15:18] <rsalveti> np, will also be out for lunch soon
[15:19]  * ogra_ac knows a gross hack he wont chare here to make sound work on everything with maverick
[15:19] <ogra_ac> *share
[15:20] <GrueMaster> I do know that it is a regression from Lucid.  Nothing in the driver changed from what I can tell, but audio worked fine in Lucid on Beagle, and it is the same audio hw.
[15:21] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, my gross hack doesnt touch alsa ...
[15:21] <ogra_ac> it only touches udev
[15:21] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, ls /dev/snd to give one more hint
[15:22] <GrueMaster> I'm not set up yet.  Will take a little as I am still reorganizing my office.
[15:22] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, on any maverick system
[15:23] <ogra_ac> the background is that we dont create any devices under /dev/snd anymore, they go directly into /dev
[15:23] <ogra_ac> that way you cant fall back to alsa setup if you want to
[15:25] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, http://paste.ubuntu.com/517475/ even makes the soundblaster play work on the ac100
[15:25] <ogra_ac> but as i said, gross hack
[15:26] <ogra_ac> (likely breaks autodetection etc in pulse)
[15:26] <GrueMaster> so, someone modified udev to a new model without testing to see if it broke the old model ?
[15:26] <ogra_ac> might be
[15:26] <ogra_ac> i'd rather think that someone considers the old model deprecated
[15:30] <rsalveti> hm, weird
[15:32] <ogra_ac> vstehle, so i talked to LOSA in #launchpad ... we will need a new PPA (which means new name) that has to be made private manually by a LOSA before anyone uploads to it
[15:33] <ogra_ac> vstehle, once uploaded to it it seems to not be possible to convert it
[15:33] <ogra_ac> nor to completely delete it
[15:34] <ogra_ac> vstehle, could you discuss a new name with ndec ?
[15:34] <ogra_ac> and tell me the name
[15:36] <vstehle> Ok ogra_ac. Having deleted PPA on LP myself, I was sure it would end this way :)
[15:38]  * rsalveti lunch
[15:48] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Do we know if the Beagle/XM supports S-Video out?  I have no way of testing this.  Currently reading an email sent to ubuntu-mobile mailing list.
[16:35] <berco> lool: I had a chat with hrw on xdeb
[16:35] <berco> lool: trying to setup an environment
[16:35] <hrw> berco: better take it to #linaro ;)
[16:36] <berco> hrw: I couldn't find lool on #linaro :)
[16:36] <hrw> I see him there
[16:37] <berco> hrw: yeah, I see him now, don't if I opened my eyes :)
[16:37] <ogra_ac> hrw, juat because *you* see him there :P
[16:38] <ogra_ac> *just
[16:38] <hrw> ogra_ac: I do not want to bother arm team with boring cross compilation issues ;D
[16:39] <ogra_ac> hrw, i meant your lool radar ;)
[16:40] <ogra_ac> (and we dont mind xdeb discussions here)
[16:50] <ogra_ac> ndec, there is a new alsa-utils in the queue with fixed postinst script that calls alsactl init
[17:05] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: it should support, but I believe nobody tested it
[17:11] <GrueMaster> I have an old (near ancient) TurboTV PCI card that has coax, svideo, and rca jacks.  Not sure if the svideo & rca are input, but I think they are.  I guess I could turn my serial console monitor into an svideo capture display.
[17:12] <rsalveti> hehe, I believe this can work, if your card is still working :-)
[17:20] <GrueMaster> As soon as it finishes upgrading to Mav, I'll give it a whirl.
[17:38] <GrueMaster> Heh.  So much for that idea.  Case is ITX.  Only takes half height PCI.
[17:38] <GrueMaster> Hrm
[17:40] <Neko> bah :(
[17:40] <jcrigby> rsalveti, about bug #663642
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663642 in linux-linaro (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "DVI doesn't work at BeagleBoard xM rev A3 (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663642
[17:41] <rsalveti> jcrigby: yup
[17:41] <rsalveti> just sent the patch to the kernel team
[17:41] <jcrigby> what does this mean: This patch is not yet upstream because it depends on the xM check
[17:41] <jcrigby> patches that are still not upstream.
[17:41] <rsalveti> jcrigby: upstream is lacking code that checks when it's running on xm and when it's not
[17:41] <rsalveti> if you compare the beagleboard board file you will easily notice it
[17:42] <jcrigby> ok
[17:42] <jcrigby> I'm trying to get this into the linaro kernel today so we can get it through before uds
[17:44] <rsalveti> jcrigby: our kernel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c;h=94cb19c07eede995039035a63e5ac53d96e64b7f;hb=HEAD#l282
[17:44] <rsalveti> l-o: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c;h=14f42240ae792bf01fcd289d60d441d9d55eb328;hb=HEAD#l273
[17:45] <rsalveti> jcrigby: it's basically the check when the kernel is running on cpu_is_omap363
[17:45] <rsalveti> *cpu_is_omap3630
[17:45] <Neko> hey arm guys :D
[17:46] <rsalveti> jcrigby: do you know if anyone from linaro has a xM rev A3?
[17:46] <rsalveti> at least one guy from the beagle ml said it worked for him
[17:46] <Neko> question: is there anything installed on the gnome desktop by default, besides the games and useless stuff like brasero, that you'd consider aren't particularly useful to 99% of users?
[17:46] <Neko> not including language support stuff
[17:46] <Neko> I am just trying to cut about 100MB out of the filesystem if I can
[17:46] <rsalveti> I only tested with my current rev A, and it worked as before
[17:48] <jcrigby> rsalveti, I don't know
[17:52] <rsalveti> jcrigby: as most newer xMs are rev A3 now, this is kind of a high priority bug
[17:52] <rsalveti> otherwise the user is unable to use the dvi output
[17:54] <jcrigby> rsalveti, I understand, thats why we want to get it into the linaro kernel
[18:39] <ogra_ac> plars-actual, so you are not the fake plars ?
[18:39] <plars-actual> ogra: no, plars is clearly the fake!
[18:40] <ogra_ac> now, how can you prove that to us ?
[18:40] <slangasek> oh, does that not just mean he's the officer in charge?
[18:40] <plars-actual> ogra: working from a different location today, my firewall is having fits and not keeping it's config lately, so I can't connect to my bip proxy :(
[18:40] <ogra_ac> oh, thats bad :/
[18:41] <ogra_ac> slangasek, hey, good that i see you ... does your team care about multivers breakage ?
[18:41] <plars-actual> could be due to the weekly, sudden power outages I was having for about a month
[18:41] <slangasek> ogra_ac: "breakage"? :)
[18:41] <ogra_ac> i just ran into a bug trying to play an mp4 movie
[18:41] <slangasek> ogra_ac: I don't believe we're touching anything near multiverse currently, so it's ok if you break it - or are you asking us to fix it? :)
[18:41] <ogra_ac> which works fine until i install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:42] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[18:42] <slangasek> file a bug, subscribe linaro-foundations please
[18:42] <ogra_ac> seems there is a libavcodec52-extras package that replaces the installed one
[18:42] <ogra_ac> which seems broken
[18:42] <ogra_ac> ok, will do
[18:43] <ogra_ac> hmm
[18:43] <ogra_ac> apparently the gstreamer equivalent is broken too
[18:43] <ogra_ac> weird
[18:44] <ogra_ac> mplayer plays the file, totem complains not having support for mp4
[18:47] <GrueMaster> mplayer uses different libraries than totem.
[18:47] <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, right, but i see the same breakage in both
[18:48]  * ogra_ac removes gst-plugins-bad-multivers
[18:48] <ogra_ac> e
[18:48] <ogra_ac> i wonder if there is an x86 binary somewhere in the multiverse codecs
[18:49] <ogra_ac> http://www.dailypspmovie.com/movies/2010/20101021-never-say-no-to-panda.mp4
[18:50] <ogra_ac> plays fine with the defaults
[18:50] <ogra_ac> but stops playing in anything after ubuntu-restricted-extras was installed
[18:54] <GrueMaster> file a bug.  Maybe we can get an armel developer to look at it.  :P
[18:54] <ogra_ac> do you know any ?
[18:54] <GrueMaster> Good ones?
[18:55]  * ogra_ac cant get back into the state where totem played the file
[18:55] <ogra_ac> there are good ones ?!?
[18:57] <GrueMaster> Heh.  On alsa-devel mailing list:  A new version of the funny game "Catch-the-slider" aka Alsamixer-Qt4 0.5.1 is now available...
[18:57] <ogra_ac> giggle
[19:23] <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: http://qt.gitorious.org/~dfaure/qt/dfaures-clone/commit/ebf9d5dd5174b7c82fec83b56d71a59d5277bd51
[19:23] <GrueMaster> Is this in our version?
[19:25] <ogra_ac> no idea
[19:31] <GrueMaster> Ok, no it isn't.  I'm looking at the source file and comparing with the patch above.
[19:31] <GrueMaster> btw:  my dove crashed during the build.
[19:32] <ogra_ac> not enough swap ?
[19:32] <ogra_ac> you need a gig or more afaik
[19:33] <GrueMaster> I have 2.5G
[19:33] <ogra_ac> then it should have worked
[19:33] <ogra_ac> but well
[19:33] <ogra_ac> its dove
[19:33] <ogra_ac> use the panda ;)
[19:33] <GrueMaster> heh
[19:34] <GrueMaster> That will require a bit of extra work.  ENOHOOKEDUP
[19:34] <ogra_ac> well
[19:35] <ogra_ac> i uploaded the fix to proposed
[19:35] <ogra_ac> just let the buildds suffer ;)
[19:35] <GrueMaster> which fix?
[19:35] <ogra_ac> -no-neon
[19:35] <ogra_ac> if we are lucky its ready before UDS and i can test with mumble on the ac100
[19:35] <GrueMaster> Ah.  I will try to explore this patch more.  Might be a better fix.
[19:36] <ogra_ac> i just set the configure option, threw the package at the wall and wait ...
[19:36] <GrueMaster> If it enables proper runtime detection.
[19:36] <ogra_ac> it doesnt
[19:37] <ogra_ac> check if it opens /proc/self/auxv somewhere
[19:37] <ogra_ac> then it uses hwcaps
[19:38] <ogra_ac> which is what is needed for doing runtime detection properly
[19:39] <ogra_ac> http://www.llvm.org/bugs/attachment.cgi?id=4428 is a good example patch
[19:57] <GrueMaster> Did you break alsa-utils?  I'm seeing a lot of bug reports on it failing to install.
[20:04] <ogra_ac> from maveirck-proposed ?
[20:07]  * ogra_ac doesnt think his last change was even accepted
[20:10]  * GrueMaster had 17 emails of new bug reports in the last 20 minutes related to this.
[20:11] <GrueMaster> Here come 14 more.
[20:12] <ogra_ac> can you probably point me to one ?
[20:12]  * ogra_ac didnt get any alsa mails
[20:12] <GrueMaster> This is the original bug.  Bug 664645.
[20:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664645 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "package alsa-utils 1.0.23-2ubuntu3.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 14) (dups: 12) (heat: 106)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664645
[20:12] <GrueMaster> Every new one is being auto-tagged as a duplicate.
[20:15] <ogra_ac> yeah, i see the issue, damned
[20:17] <ogra_ac> copying code from the initscript wasnt so clever
[20:17] <GrueMaster> bad ogra_ac.
[20:18]  * ogra_ac curses
[20:18] <ogra_ac> i was supposed to be afk 2h ago
[20:21] <hrw|gone> ogra_ac: sit and fix instead :(
[20:21] <ogra_ac> yes
[20:29] <rsalveti> another issue on the sound thing?
[20:29] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: you're just with a lot of bad luck
[20:30] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, nah, to blind
[20:30] <ogra_ac> slangasek, could i ask you a favor and let the alsa-utils package i just uploaded to maverick-proposed in so the alsa guys dont drown in bugs ?
[20:30] <ogra_ac> slangasek, seeing you on the SRU team
[20:31] <ogra_ac> (seems pitti is gone for the day)
[21:01] <GrueMaster> Interesting.  Just added the omap ppa to kubuntu image and did apt-get install on ubuntu-omap4-extras-graphics.  It recommended linux-headers-2.6-amd64.
[21:02] <GrueMaster> Somethings not right here.
[21:03] <rsalveti> just recommend
[21:03] <rsalveti> because of dkms, probably
[21:05] <GrueMaster> Just seems odd.
[21:06] <rsalveti> yeah, as having a *lot* of video drivers installed by default
[21:07] <rsalveti> for sure I'm not going to run s3virge, trident or voodoo at my panda
[21:07] <ogra_ac> no, thats valid
[21:07] <ogra_ac> for x86
[21:07] <ogra_ac> :)
[21:07] <ogra_ac> on arm we should fix that at some point
[21:07] <rsalveti> it'd be good to clean that
[21:07] <ogra_ac> probably worth a lst minute spec
[21:08] <ogra_ac> though david isnt there to approve it in time
[21:08] <GrueMaster> I'll head it up.  Oh, wait...
[21:10] <ogra_ac> lets talk about it in the call
[21:11] <rsalveti> oh, we have a call today, almost forgot about that
[21:11] <ogra_ac> david asked me to run one
[21:12] <ogra_ac> not sure we have many topics
[21:12] <ogra_ac> but as long as NCommander shows up to entertain us with echos ...
[21:13] <rsalveti> lol
[21:20] <GrueMaster> he is on vacation too.  Not sure he'll make it.
[21:21] <ogra_ac> oh, i didnt know
[21:24] <GrueMaster> I'll find out.
[21:25] <GrueMaster> Nope, he has no network access.
[21:25] <ogra_ac> k
[21:27] <GrueMaster> Well, this is certainly interesting.  After installing video drivers from ppa & rebooting, I am getting a good display, albeit at 640x480.  Probably due to my HDMI switch.
[21:28] <ogra_ac> you and your toys
[21:28] <GrueMaster> heh.
[21:29] <GrueMaster> Yea, it was the switch.  It automatically switches to the next device when signal is lost, and switches back when the signal returns.  Of course we have already pulled edid at that time.
[23:13] <slangasek> ogra_ac: alsa-utils accepted
[23:13]  * ogra hugs slangasek
[23:13] <slangasek> ogra_ac: which should correct the -proposed regression; but what's the reason for this being a panda-specific hack in the first place?
[23:13] <ogra> i owe you a beer on sunday
[23:14] <ogra> slangasek, the alsa driver for the SDP4430 and Panda doesnt init properly ... it needs a one shot initialization once
[23:14] <ogra> that needs to be fixed in ASoC at some point but we didnt get a better fix yet
[23:15] <ogra> (as many other bits need fixing in ASoC for omap4, teh driver really isnt 100% there yet)
[23:15] <slangasek> ok
[23:15] <slangasek> so this is a not-for-natty change?
[23:16] <ogra> well, it is for natty until we get a fixed driver
[23:16] <ogra> i dont know how long that will take upstream
[23:16] <ogra> for natty there is code that doesnt need the postinst
[23:16] <ogra> the postinst is only needed on systems that already have alsa.state in place
[23:17] <slangasek> ok


[02:46] <cjb> Bored now.
[06:08] <fabbione> morning guy
[06:12] <BenC> yeah, 2.6.15 is final
[06:18] <fabbione> cool
[06:18] <infinity> Lies.
[06:18] <infinity> I won't believe it until the mirrors are updated. :)
[01:30] <CataEnry> hi all
[02:15] <dilinger> ooh, neat
[02:16] <dilinger> after rebooting into breezy's latest 2.6.12, my keyboard no longer functions :)
[02:19] <zul> heylo
[02:20] <dilinger> hm.  where can i find 2.6.12 10.24?  i don't see it in archive.u.c's pool directory
[02:20] <BenC> it should be
[02:20] <BenC> linux-image-2.6.12-10-{386,686,...}
[02:21] <dilinger> right, i see 10.25, but no 10.24
[02:21] <dilinger> (and i see 10.23, which is ABINAME -9)
[02:22] <BenC> 10.23 must have been a mistake :)
[02:22] <BenC> no idea what happened to 10.24, unless it's because it was security
[02:23] <dilinger> oh well, i'll just use 10.23
[02:26] <dilinger> blah, still broken.  must not be the kernel
[02:48] <BenC> zul: need to watch when you are removing some of those printk's
[02:49] <BenC> zul: when you removed the one from asus_acpi, you left a dangling if() statement right above it
[02:49] <BenC> I re-added the printk and just made it KERN_DEBUG, so it shouldn't be so obvious
[03:02] <zul> ok cool...thanks
[03:32] <ogra> hi, do we have any kernel that supports via8251 controllers ?
[03:34] <zul> it should
[03:34] <ogra> which one ?
[03:35] <zul> is this an amd64 board?
[03:35] <ogra> i just got this shiny new 1u server onmy desk and neither the controller nor the NIC are detected ...
[03:35] <ogra> nope, P4
[03:49] <BenC> is it n64t P4?
[03:49] <BenC> EM64T that is
[03:50] <ogra> might be, the amd64 disk doesnt boot, so i'm unsure
[03:50] <ogra> i just found a hint to disable acpi, i'll try that
[03:51] <BenC> ok
[03:51] <BenC> if the amd64 disk doesn't work, it's probably not EM64T
[03:52] <ogra> it doesnt look like :)
[03:52] <ogra> its a p4 HT cpu
[04:18] <ogra> oh, wow, there are linx drivers on the shipped asus CD
[04:20] <ogra> they only ship drivers for 2.4 kernels ... as well as a patch :(
[04:35] <zul> patch for 2.6?
[04:35] <BenC> ogra: if you send the patches, I can try to integrate them, but it's doubtful
[04:39] <ogra> i just need the server to work until err, tomorrow :(
[04:39] <ogra> the patch seems only for 2.4
[04:51] <ogra> BenC, have a look http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/via_raid_linux_v100_20040412.zip
[05:18] <BenC> zul: PCI_DEVICE_ID_AL_MY7101 is not defined anywhere
[05:18] <BenC> I need value for it
[05:23] <zul> frig...
[05:24] <zul>   alim7101_pmu = pci_find_device(PCI_VENDOR_ID_AL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_AL_M7101,NULL);
[05:25] <zul> typo..
[05:44] <BenC> zul: did you see what I said about PCI_DEVICE_ID_AL_MY7101?
[05:44] <fabbione> zul frig...
[05:44] <fabbione> zul   alim7101_pmu = pci_find_device(PCI_VENDOR_ID_AL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_AL_M7101,NULL);
[05:44] <fabbione> zul typo..
[05:45] <BenC> ah, ok
[05:45] <BenC> zul: you're at three typos so far, let's hope that's the last one :)
[05:48] <CataEnry> bye all
[06:04] <zul> BenC: my bad..
[06:06] <BenC> zul: no problem, I fix enough of my own aswell...a build every once in awhile would help though :)
[06:13] <zul> yeah i usually do that i was just too sick this weekend
[06:16] <BenC> ogra: oh, crappy, it's a binary driver with a kernel mod wrapper
[06:17] <ogra> yup
[06:17] <BenC> pretty much the same as nvidia
[06:17] <mjg59> Is it real RAID?
[06:17] <ogra> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html says it should be supported by sata_via
[06:17] <mjg59> Or is it something that should be handled by dmraid?
[06:17] <ogra> nope
[06:17] <ogra> not at all
[06:17] <ogra> i dont even want the raid
[06:18] <ogra> i'd love to just have access to the HDs nothing more, no nifty controller features required
[06:19] <BenC> is sata_via getting loaded?
[06:19] <ogra> nope
[06:19] <BenC> can you modprobe it and see if it does anything?
[06:19] <ogra> i get the "select a driver" dialog in the installer
[06:19] <ogra> it doesnt ...
[06:20] <ogra> only says it loads libata
[06:20] <BenC> anything in dmesg?
[06:20] <ogra> nope
[06:20] <BenC> lspci -vn
[06:20] <ogra> only the libata msg
[06:20] <BenC> let me see the pci dev/vendor for it
[06:20] <BenC> there's a way to push new id's in through sysfs so we can try that if you want
[06:21] <ogra> 1160:3349
[06:22] <ogra> intresting is, that without acpi=off not even the via rhineII is detected ...
[06:22] <BenC> is the ven/dev or subsystem?
[06:22] <ogra> both
[06:23] <ogra> they are equal
[06:23] <mjg59> ogra: That's not a known vendor...
[06:23] <mjg59> Oh, hang on, it is
[06:24] <mjg59> But it's Microsoft
[06:24] <mjg59> ogra: This board sounds very broken
[06:24] <ogra> asus
[06:24] <mjg59> Nngh. Not Microsoft.
[06:24] <mjg59> 1160 is "Megasoft Inc"
[06:24] <ogra> p5v800-mx
[06:25] <ogra> can carry 32 and 64 bit cpus apparently
[06:25] <mjg59> 3349 is a VIA SATA device, but it should be 1106, not 1160
[06:25] <BenC> is it really 1160?
[06:25] <mjg59> Are you sure it's 1160?
[06:25] <ogra> all my devices are 1106, yup
[06:26] <ogra> 1106
[06:26] <mjg59> So not 1160:3349
[06:26] <BenC> hehe
[06:26] <mjg59> Right
[06:26] <ogra> nope
[06:26] <ogra> 1106 :)
[06:26] <mjg59> Ah.
[06:26] <mjg59> sata_via lists 3149 and 3249, but not 3349
[06:27] <ogra> odd
[06:27] <mjg59> ogra: Can you echo 1106:3349 >/sys/bus/pci/drivers/sata_via/new_id ?
[06:27] <ogra> sure
[06:28] <ogra> woah
[06:28] <ogra> a bunch of errors in dmesg now
[06:29] <cjb> kernel BUG at user/chair.c:32767?  :)
[06:30] <mjg59> Heh
[06:30] <mjg59> ogra: Ah - it's actually an AHCI controller
[06:30] <ogra> yup
[06:30] <mjg59> I remember this from LKML now
[06:30] <mjg59> via_sata is the wrong driver
[06:31] <mjg59> In an ideal world, ahci would just drive it
[06:31] <ogra> is there a working one ?
[06:31] <ogra> ah
[06:31] <mjg59> VIA submitted a patch to ahci which adds loads of bodges
[06:33] <ogra> which wont be included ever i guess
[06:34] <mjg59> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/12/11/204
[06:36] <ogra> phew
[06:36] <ogra> that means i have to compile my own kernel again .... odd odd
[06:37] <ogra> mjg59, thanks ... i think i have no other choice ...
[10:00] <ppd> hi. Is it possible to port back the eject fix from the latest dapper kernel to 2.6.14 or stable breezy kernel?
[10:04] <fabbione> ppd: you will have to do it yourself.
[10:04] <fabbione> the fix won't make breezy
[10:04] <ppd> fabbione: and it's not possible to run a 2.6.15 on breezy?
[10:05] <fabbione> nope, you need new udev and other userland tools
[10:06] <ppd> fabbione: annoying... could you give me a hint where to look after the changes or a patch?
[10:06] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide
[10:06] <fabbione> get the kernel from git
[10:06] <fabbione> search for the patch
[10:08] <ppd> git's not in the breezy repos :-/
[10:08] <cjb> It isn't?  I thought it was 'git-core'.
[10:08] <ppd> in dapper, yes
[10:08] <cjb> Oh, okay.
[10:10] <ppd> does anybody know what got fixed in detail? If it's a complete rewrite of something with lot's of dependencies I'll give up right now ;-)
[10:15] <ppd> or could anybody please mail me the patch? otherwise I'll have to backport git-core first :-(
[10:17] <fabbione> ppd: you can use git-core from dapper
[10:17] <ppd> fabbione: doesn't it have dependencies higher than my breezy system?
[10:59] (ppd/#ubuntu-kernel) and I want to provide a fixed breezy compatible kernel to the wiki
[11:00] <ppd> I have already implented the graphical wrapper around pumount in breezy :-)
[11:00] <fabbione> beg you pardon?
[11:00] <fabbione> what does "fixed breezy compatible kernel to the wiki" mean?
[11:01] <ppd> fabbione: write a howto for people wanting to solve this issue but not wanting to upgrade
[11:01] <fabbione> ppd: that's a really bad idea..
[11:01] <ppd> why?
[11:01] <fabbione> in the first place people that builds their own kernel won't get security if not doing that on a regular base
[11:02] <fabbione> building custom kernel is not something you make user do for fun
[11:02] <fabbione> it's not a mortal issue
[11:02] <fabbione> there is much worst out there that needs love
[11:03] <ppd> no it isn't. But somebody might like it and I'll put a big fat warning into it for sure
[11:04] <fabbione> i still don't like it
[11:04] <fabbione> we have seen way too many users coming to us crying after following wrong procedures on the wiki
[11:05] <ppd> okay. I won't put a howto in the wiki
[11:05] <BenC> ppd: work around is to either do "sudo eject -s", or backport the eject package from dapper which doesn't need sudo for "eject -s"
[11:06] <ppd> BenC: backporting the dapper eject package would be enough?? no need to recompile the kernel?
[11:06] <BenC> it wont work automatically (from the GUI), but yes, it will allow you to eject without root
[11:07] <ppd> hm
[11:28] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[11:29] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[11:29] <mjg59> Bloody good timing, I'm just back from the pub
[11:29] <BenC> mjg59: hey, you've apparently done some uploads for wacom-tools, so by ubuntu-law, that means you own it :)
[11:30] <BenC> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/4773
[11:30] <BenC> a user is claiming that it needs to be 0.7.0 or better to work with breezy/dapper
[11:30] <mjg59> Haha
[11:30] <mjg59> What's the version in Debian?
[11:31] <BenC> debian, and so us, only have 0.6.6...have you done anything with wacon recently?
[11:31] <mjg59> Oh, right
[11:31] <mjg59> wacom is a bit of a nightmare
[11:31] <mjg59> The kernel, X and userspace have to be kept in sync
[11:31] <mjg59> Now that we have modular X, this is MUCH LESS PAIN
[11:31] <BenC> I want to do the update, but I don't have anyway of testing it
[11:31] <mjg59> I can test the X side, but not the kernel side
[11:32] <mjg59> (Serial devices and tablet PCs are handled by X, USB ones by the kernel)
[11:32] <BenC> the main thing is that wacom-tools needs to be tested
[11:32] <BenC> supposedly X and kernel are already newest
[11:32] <mjg59> X isn't the newest
[11:32] <BenC> or newer than wacom-tools
[11:32] <mjg59> The upstream X stuff lags behind
[11:34] <BenC> I'm going to assign it to you, but don't think that I expect you to do anything with it...I just need to put it somewhere :)
[11:35] <BenC> just trying to go through the bugs in malone
[11:35] <mjg59> Fair enough
[11:35] <mjg59> I'll get to it at some point, I expect
[11:35] <BenC> would be very appreciated
[11:37] <ppd> BenC: I changed the lines in 2.6.14. Now I get this error: http://pastebin.com/489308
[11:39] <BenC> you forgot to copy those two functions aswell :)
[11:39] <BenC> they are in the same file
[11:46] <ppd> thank you. next round :)