[07:09] <rougeleaf> Good morning, where can I get some network assistance? Please
[07:12] <nhaines> rougeleaf: what kind of assistance?
[07:13] <rougeleaf> For a network bridge
[07:21] <nhaines> You mean how to set up a computer to act as a bridge?
[07:29] <rougeleaf> To bridge my wireless to my lan. I receive Internet via wireless, need to connect a non wireless device
[07:30] <rougeleaf> I have done this many times in windows. I have been unsuccessful in linux.
[07:31] <rww> !ics
[07:31] <rww> Try #ubuntu if that doesn't work out.
[07:33] <jussi> jpds: ubot2 is missing...
[07:33] <rww> the bots are escaping :O
[07:57] <rougeleaf> ubottu your links helped greatly, thank you
[07:57] <rougeleaf> humm
[07:58] <rougeleaf> ...Thanks for the support
[07:58] <jussi> rougeleaf: rww called the bot for you :)
[07:58] <rougeleaf> Not sure what that means
[07:59] <jussi> !bot | rougeleaf
[07:59] <jussi> see, I did that.
[07:59] <jussi> rww:  did the one that you appreciated
[07:59] <rww> jussi confuses new people!
[07:59] <rougeleaf> lol indeed
[07:59] <jussi> always :D
[08:00] <rougeleaf> I get the idea, just the how part eludes me
[08:00] <rww> rougeleaf: of internet connection sharing or bot usage?
[08:00] <rougeleaf> As a friend said to me once, jack of all trades, master of none
[08:01] <rougeleaf> The bot usage
[08:02] <rougeleaf> ... The link via rww provided by the bot solved the answer I was looking for
[08:02] <rww> rougeleaf: If you write a message beginning with "!" or "ubottu" (e.g. "!ics"), ubottu looks in its database, finds the "ics" entry, and then outputs it to the channel.
[08:03] <rougeleaf> ! wireshark
[08:03] <rww> without a space ;). but it doesn't know about wireshark anyway, so... :(
[08:03] <rougeleaf> lol ok
[08:03] <rougeleaf> !lol
[08:04] <rww> http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi has a list of all of them, or you can PM ubottu too.
[08:04] <rougeleaf> Thank you for the bit of info, first time I have learned thus
[08:04] <rougeleaf> this*
[08:04] <rww> http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia has entirely more information about bot commands than you'll ever want to know :)
[08:04] <rougeleaf> Thank you much for the info
[08:05] <rougeleaf> I greatly appreciate it
[20:26] <guntbert> LjL: are you around?
[20:36] <LjL> guntbert: yes
[20:37] <guntbert> LjL: about the floodbots questions in #ubuntu-unregged - I have a little concern - are you the person to talk to?
[20:39] <LjL> guntbert: most likely
[20:41] <guntbert> LjL: I tried it - it worked - the question/answers are nice - but: everybody can stay in the channel as long they desire - so it seems pretty easy to feed the questions/answers into a database
[20:42] <LjL> guntbert: yes it's true. i'm not really sure how to work around that. however, i'd keep a couple of things in mind: 1) you don't ever see the answers, so you'd still have to input those manually into the database 2) is it really any easier than registering bogus email address somewhere that lets you, and then registering your bots' nicknames using those?
[20:48] <guntbert> LjL: good point  --- and I just found out that the two possible workarounds I "found" had serious flaws  (one would be to kickban every user after some time, the other wouldn't work at all so I won't mention it :-))
[20:48] <rww> Every defense system has problems. The goal is to have problems that the other side has not yet managed/bothered to exploit ;)
[20:51] <LjL> guntbert, rww: even if you kickban after a timeout, it's easy enough for the attacker to join multiple nicknames. they have proxies, very many of them. the only real fix i can think of would be to go back to the original idea of captchas, and implement them properly (i.e. not the way i had in mind), which would be annoying because of the way the bots work, and make it more complicated for users to join
[20:51] <LjL> for now i say we cross our fingers and hope it's not worth it for the attackers to crack this
[20:51] <rww> indeed
[20:51] <LjL> although they already did try
[20:52] <LjL> earlier on today, they joined a lot of clones from one ip address, which no apparent intent but to get questions asked
[20:52] <rww> hah
[20:52] <Pici> It was a lot of clones.
[20:52] <rww> how long ago?
[20:52] <Pici> I daresay hundreds.
[20:52] <LjL> yes
[20:53] <LjL> my client (which admittedly is sort of prone to hanging up)
[20:53] <rww> ah, nvm, found it
[20:53] <LjL> well, it hung up
[20:53] <Pici> 7 hours.
[20:54] <LjL> anyway i'll see if i can manage to have a backup method (i.e. captchas) ready in case this is cracked
[20:54] <guntbert> what about PMing the questions? that wouldn't beat the clones but idling would not give them more info
[20:55] <LjL> does anyone have experience with captchas and could either point me to some generator that can generate hundreds of them for me (and their solutions), or suggest another method that can work when the server is not the machine the bots are running on?
[20:55] <LjL> guntbert: yeah i thought of that, but i think it might easily confuse people (i already have to deal with people *answering* in PM, god only knows why they do that), for not much of a gain since as you say clones can still join
[20:56] <LjL> guntbert: anyway it would be very easy to change the bots to work from PM if the attackers attack
[20:56] <guntbert> LjL: ack
[20:57] <LjL> also, it really doesn't even take looking at all the questions to manage to get clones past the check
[20:57] <LjL> go and guess why that is :P
[21:14] <guntbert> LjL: as for the captchas problem: I suggest (after finding an acceptable generator :-)) to generate the secret string on the bots machine, send it to a (yet to find) online generator from which you'd get an url which you present to the user - so the checking would be really easy
[21:20] <LjL> guntbert: sending it to the generator would pose a few problems. the bots aren't multithreaded, so making a connection to the internet is really not something they should do if they don't want to hang up
[21:21] <guntbert> LjL: I see - I obviously didn't think far enough :-)
[21:22] <LjL> guntbert: well you couldn't have known there was no multithreading. what i had originally in mind was, basically, have a static site containing 200 jpegs, named by number; have the bots contain a list of all 200 numbers and their solutions; give the user a random one (actually it's not random, and that is related to what i asked above :P), and if after looking at it they can provide the solution, it's done
[21:23] <LjL> guntbert: the captchas are still a limited number (like 200), but if they can be automatically generated, that number can be made arbitrarily large (contrary to hand-crafted questions)
[21:23] <guntbert> LjL: as an aside: there was just the question "how much is 6 and 2 (7+2)"
[21:23] <LjL> guntbert: yeah i saw it. it'll be fixed in one minute when the bot updates
[21:27] <guntbert> LjL: your idea seems sensible -- I'll be looking for a part of this solution - not sure which part :-) but I'll start with looking into the image generation
[21:28] <LjL> guntbert: that's really the thing i need solved, the rest is just a little simple bot coding. somehow, i found a few places that will either *produce and check* captchas for you (like google's recaptchas), but not give you the solution so that you can use them on a static site; or generators that can give you one captchas, but can't really be used in batch mode
[21:29] <LjL> note that i'd still stick to the current questions if at all possible
[21:29] <LjL> a captcha image may seem simple enough, but it isn't really
[21:29] <LjL> it doesn't work if you don't have a graphical browser (which is often the case if you're stuck with a broken install)
[21:29] <LjL> and it doesn't work if you're blind
[21:31] <guntbert> LjL: I like the current questions better too - but I'll try to find a batch-captchas-generator just in case
[21:32] <LjL> thanks
[21:56] <lefantomedurezo> Hello, what is the international chan ubuntu for offtopic?
[21:57] <k1l> lefantomedurezo:  #ubuntu-offtopic


[06:58] <oscalation> anyone around?
[07:01] <Atamira> nope
[07:01] <Atamira> oops
[07:01]  * Atamira slinks off
[07:02] <oscalation> lol
[07:02] <oscalation> I Have a question Atamira
[07:02] <oscalation> i want to update this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailingListFAQs/securingNewInstall
[07:03] <oscalation> but the title and classification need to be updated imo
[07:03] <Atamira> email it to the list
[07:03] <Atamira> the mailing list
[07:03] <oscalation> How can I update this page from MailingListFAQssecuringNewinstall to ... ubuntu security advice
[07:03] <Atamira> you'll get quicker answers than in here
[07:03] <oscalation> hu?
[07:04] <Atamira> the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[07:04] <Atamira><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:05] <oscalation> oh ok, one more thing. whats the diff between help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[07:07] <Atamira> frankly
[07:07] <Atamira> i have no idea
[07:07] <Atamira> i think help.ubuntu.com is the official help page
[08:11] <mdke> oscalation: help.ubuntu.com is for user documentation and wiki.ubuntu.com is for Ubuntu's teams to manage, coordinate and plan their activities
[08:11] <mdke> mdke: we don't have plans to merge the two. In fact wiki.ubuntu.com isn't newer
[08:12] <oscalation> I see. the wiki on wiki.ubuntu looks 100 times better than help.ubuntu
[08:12] <oscalation> they should change it to match
[08:12] <mdke> that is being worked on (slowly)
[08:12] <oscalation> good to know.


 @RealDanct12 [https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2020-November/031604.html], Yeah might be, that will kill email, youtube, calenders, if qtwebengine is a part of that
 With edge now on chrome, seems they are one step away from only allowing login in chrome ;p
 oh my 👀
 @Andy Bleaden [More info here: on oauth 2.0 https://developers.googleblog.com/2020/08/guidance- …], @mateosalta guess we could test with that compatibility test
[07:17] <ubptgbot> witulyhyqaemae8401 was added by: witulyhyqaemae8401
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 @rogieroudshoorn [let's hope caldav / carddav support comes in quickly ... so we won't need it], CalDav is already supported in UT, CardDav is in the works.  I am self employed, so it was easy for me to migrate off of Google and just sync my calendars on desktop and tablet (using Thunderbird Lightning and Gnome Calendar) with the Calen
[07:19] <ubptgbot> dar via a NextCloud account (I just use a third party server from Owncube).  I use UBsync to create automatic backups of files placed in shared folders - it's relatively easy now to manually export all contacts to a vcf file in the Contacts app and have this backed up to my NextCloud server, to be imported and re-exported on other devices.  But as
[07:19] <ubptgbot> said, CardDav support is being worked on and would further streamline that as well.
 The point being that getting off of an invasive service like Google is kind of the point of UT, and there are alternatives allowing sync of Calendar, and eventually to be Contacts as well.  But I understand that many need these to use Google services for their work, in which case one ends up at the mercy of the whims of them way more.
 [Edit] The point being that getting off of an invasive service like Google is kind of the point of UT, and there are alternatives allowing sync of Calendar, and eventually to be Contacts as well.  But I understand that many need to use Google services for their work, in which case one ends up at the mercy of the whims of them way more.
[08:02] <ubptgbot> IRO9MAN was added by: IRO9MAN
[08:54] <ubptgbot> Max57595 was added by: Max57595
 @dohbee [some things are yes], Spcifically?
 @dohbee [some things are yes], [Edit] Specifically?
[10:29] <ubptgbot> Angelo was added by: Angelo
 Anyone installed UT in Oneplus 2 ?
[10:36] <ubptgbot> veqaehojylaeho6394 was added by: veqaehojylaeho6394
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[10:39] <ubptgbot> MercWith was added by: MercWith
 Hi! Isotherm there  a difference  between  UT on PinePhone and Nexus 5. Like technicalLy? There is no compatibility  layer right? Is it more bare metal ?
 @fw190 [Hi! Isotherm there  a difference  between  UT on PinePhone and Nexus 5. Like tec …], No compatibility layer and there is a new kernel. The other distinction is upstart versus systemd
 the pinephone use systemd? I think it's still upstart
 @fw190 [Hi! Isotherm there  a difference  between  UT on PinePhone and Nexus 5. Like tec …], halium isn't really a compatibility layer, more like a driver layer :p
 Pinephone = mainline kernel and wayland … Nexus 5 and otheres = android kernel and mirclient
 @Javacookies [the pinephone use systemd? I think it's still upstart], Ah. My bad
 Yes. systemd requires 20.04?
 not really? I think 16.04 already switched to systemd on the desktop but UT stayed on upstart due to some older kernels can't support it
 @Javacookies [not really? I think 16.04 already switched to systemd on the desktop but UT stay …], It is the point where my brain fries 😁
 I'm not really knowledgeable on these topics but that's how I understand it … and I think the plan is to switch to systemd when rebasing to 20.04 so there's a chance that some devices will be dropped support...sadly due to old kernel
 Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device
 What soc does it have?
 yes, I think it's possible if the community can do some upstream patches
 it's mtk I believe
 @Javacookies [it's mtk I believe], Yes which
 Doesn't it need 3.10?
 is there a list of packages aka dependencies or docs or forum post that documents why ubports can't update to 20.04 (upstart vs. systemd i know) ... just for curiosity
 @delijati [is there a list of packages aka dependencies or docs or forum post that document …], Well also we still consume stuff from 16.04 that was kicked out from 18.04 onwards
 So actually Canonical kept building those things in their repos, and we might need to fork and build them now
 Dunno how many those are but sure a few
 @amyosx [Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device], the e5 too :(
 Yeah
 Well the e4.5 might survive
 :)
 @Flohack there is no list anywhere to see what all needs to be self maintained then ?
 http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/build-sources.html#as-of-systemd-233-the-3-4-kernel-needs-to-have-a-patch-in-order-to-boot-tmpmnt-not-being-created
 Yeah I'll make kernels :)
 @amyosx [Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device], If you like the 4.5 it is worth looking at the BQ Uplus which has the same feel and form factor but updated
 I'll just need someone to test
 @Stereofont [If you like the 4.5 it is worth looking at the BQ Uplus which has the same feel …], I have much more powerful phones its just a piece of Ubuntu Touch history
 @amyosx [I have much more powerful phones its just a piece of Ubuntu Touch history], I understand. Mine died. I was quite sad about it
 Should I try getting the preview version on my grouper lol
 my E5 is also dead 😭
 My e4.5 got taken by parents
 Same with my iPod Touch 2G and iPhone 5S
 @delijati [@Flohack there is no list anywhere to see what all needs to be self maintained t …], Not sure waht you mean. Nobody did this analysis now, I think there are a lot of hidden things, we will find out when trying first to move on. But Marius, Dalton, Ratchanan etc can answer your questions better
 They partially already know whats ToDo
 also @alan_griffiths can answer your questions regarding the Mir thingies
 @amyosx [Maybe someone can upstream the e4.5 as its still a great device], You mean mainline? Its highly doubtful, we do not even have the device trees for the old BQ and Meizu devices, we cannot build them in our CI, and so we really cannot replace the kernel easily
 @Flohack [You mean mainline? Its highly doubtful, we do not even have the device trees for …], Well not mainline
 To next mtk branch
 I think what may become an issue pretty soon is not even old kernel, but 1 GB RAM
 @Flohack [also @alan_griffiths can answer your questions regarding the Mir thingies], What were the "Mir thingies"?
[12:33] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @amyosx [I'll just need someone to test], I happen to own both a 4.5 and U+ (currently on Guf's port) that I will not be using as dd in the near future, so if I can help with at least some testing (being a dumb user instead of a developer), just let me know then and I will try.
 Krillin is ready for systemd
 @NotKit [I think what may become an issue pretty soon is not even old kernel, but 1 GB RA …], Yeah....
 The kernel is ready
 No patch needed
 @alan_griffiths [What were the "Mir thingies"?], hi i just askt about the parts and if they are anywhere documented that prevents ubports from upgrading to 20.04 (upstart vs systemd, ...)
[12:42] <ubptgbot> Asaf was added by: Asaf
 @alan_griffiths [What were the "Mir thingies"?], Blockers in display stack for upgrading to 20.04 thats was the question
 @delijati [hi i just askt about the parts and if they are anywhere documented that prevents …], There have been lots of discussions, but the latest "doc" is probably: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3750/mir-1-x-and-beyond
 (I'm hoping to do some docs on Mir 2.x in the next week or two.)
 are some parts of that not already done because there is lomiri running on manjaro for the pine phone?
[13:01] <ubptgbot> Zundoko was added by: Zundoko
 @delijati [are some parts of that not already done because there is lomiri running on manja …], There's a version with some stuff done, but it can't yet be merged to master as most devices would break.
[13:31] <ubptgbot> lceIand was added by: lceIand
 Heya!
[14:45] <ubptgbot> PO_Tsele was added by: PO_Tsele
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cv7izA0n.mp4
 @amyosx [Well the e4.5 might survive], but i only have an e5 :( … tho i heard those two technically the same, only the screensize is different 🤔 … what make you say that btw?
 Idk lemme check theirvkernel
 Might have the patch
 On halium docs it says a one line patch is need for 3.4 to boot systemd
 Yeah that has the patch too
 well booting the one part, the vendor and device trees are the bigger challenge
 [Edit] well booting is but one part, the vendor and device trees are the bigger challenge
[18:03] <ubptgbot> conserver_Pyruloid was added by: conserver_Pyruloid
 (Photo, 480x800) https://irc.ubports.com/00Aw9wLW.png
 Bruh
 2eth =~$1400
 0.5btc = ~$1000 lol
 @amyosx [0.5btc = ~$1000 lol], +0
 do better photoshopping next time
 i scream fake at the first tweet
 10 ETH's?
 That's a lot
 5000 btc as well
 that's 92 million USD
 yeah lmaooo
 Yeah lol
 @RealDanct12 [do better photoshopping next time], ikr
 also elon musk wont give you free cash
 @RealDanct12 [also elon musk wont give you free cash], ^ he may take it though
 xd
 I'm surprised they haven't done Bill Gates instead
 Like he's more likely to give free money
 Yeah definitely
 bill gates more likely give free money to charity
 @RealDanct12 [bill gates more likely give free money to charity], But Elon Musk is like bringing innovative things
 Like implanting microchips in ur brain
 Reminds me of a meme
 @amyosx [Reminds me of a meme], Sand
 Cant
 Tg broken
 Why you don't daily drive your own ROM /s
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> waiting update for pinephone ;D
 well at least someone is on topic
[19:44] <ubptgbot> brock cade was added by: brock cade
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 Fxtec Pro1 :)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rncA906j.mp4
 @RealDanct12 [Fxtec Pro1 :)], How's it?
[20:15] <ubptgbot> crosstrees was added by: crosstrees
 @dohbee [well at least someone is on topic], Haha +1
[21:28] <ubptgbot> cymerjanin was added by: cymerjanin
 Random app Q  - I know that ISOdrive will let me mount an ISO as a bootable USB key, but is there an app that will let me create a generic virtual USB key from a file folder?  I have an app on my Android device that does that, I use it to softmod consoles by making pretend memory cards.
 The OpenStore's search facility needs a bit of work IMO
 there isn't such an app, no. probably best for that would be to make improvements to how MTP works on UT
 👍
 @Silvershock [The OpenStore's search facility needs a bit of work IMO], There is an OpenStore group. That would be a good place for feedback


[07:06] <thatgraemeguy> hello persons
[07:06] <Maaz> thatgraemeguy: By the way, Cryterion on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy can't connect to mt server due a password request, although keys allow connection" 1 day, 12 hours, 59 minutes and 19 seconds ago
[07:08] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: seen Cryterion
[07:08] <Maaz> thatgraemeguy: Cryterion was last seen 1 day, 11 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-11-23 22:02:49 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-11-25 06:50:12 SAST
[08:58] <inetpro> good evening
[09:14] <MaNI> whats the correct way to tie an ata number to a specific device
[09:14] <MaNI> i.e. ata8: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x40c0000 action 0xe frozen
[09:14] <MaNI> which of my harddrives is about to lose all it's data? :)
[09:48] <theblazehen> MaNI Look in /dev/disk/by-path with ls -l
[09:49] <MaNI> hrm, only has up to ata5
[09:51] <theblazehen> MaNI tried running smart tests on all of them?
[09:52] <superfly> good evening
[09:52] <theblazehen> hi superfly
[09:52] <MaNI> not yet no, I'd prefer to just identify which drive it is for starters
[09:52] <MaNI> so I can do the obvious things like swap the sata cable out
[09:53] <MaNI> I seem to get bad sata cables more often than bad harddrives
[09:53] <theblazehen> smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep -i fail
[09:54] <theblazehen> for drive in {a..e}; do smartctl /dev/sd$drive | grep -i fail && echo $drive; done
[09:54] <theblazehen> Or so
[12:11] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[12:11] <pavlushka> hey theblazehen
[12:12] <jerit_> Guys, anyone know what this is about? http://i.imgur.com/Ltq4ffW.png
[12:39] <chesedo> jerit_: I imagine that our mailing list would only allow post from subscribed users to prevent spam... tell him to just join us here on IRC
[12:42] <jerit_> Done. Who would have thought I'd be representing the community since I don't spend much time here in the first place
[12:43] <chesedo> lol...
[12:43] <chesedo> the honor is all yours jerit_ :D
[12:49] <jerit_> I feel quite unqualified for the job as I don't even know what the community here is doing... I just joined because I was working on ubuntu stuff
[12:51] <chesedo> jerit_: if he/she does not have IRC then he/she can use this page -> https://ubuntu-za.org/irc.html
[12:51] <chesedo> there is an IRC client on that
[12:51] <superfly> jerit_: are you part of the team on Launchpad?
[12:52] <jerit_> chesedo: I just directed this person to http://webchat.freenode.com/?channels=#ubuntu-za
[12:52] <jerit_> superfly: yes I believe so
[12:53] <superfly> jerit_: ah. they contacted you through Launchpad, that's why you got the mail
[12:53] <superfly> jerit_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za you're the "latest member" of the team
[14:21] <jerit_> I'd be happy even if this video was nothing except visuals of this woman's mouth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggVGiKw-geQ
[14:43] <superfly> jerit_: she does have a pretty mouth
[14:44] <jerit_> was gonna tell you her name then I realized its on the video title
[14:44]  * jerit_ wonders if it would be weird if I googled "elize ryd mouth"
[14:59]  * chesedo cannot believe watched a youtube video just for someone's mouth... then just to find that it reminds him of other musician's
[15:05] <nsnzero> i dont even know whats the latest music nowdays ...
[18:29] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[18:35] <nsnzero> pavlushka: hi there
[18:35] <pavlushka> hello nsnzero :)
[18:36] <nsnzero> pavlushka: how are you doing ?
[18:37] <pavlushka> I am fine, nsnzero , the latest music is "I'm yours" by Jason Mraz
[18:38] <nsnzero> thnaks for the update :)
[18:44] <pavlushka> :)
[22:25] <Kilos> you up late superfly
[22:25] <Kilos> helloooo za
[22:26] <superfly> hi Kilos
[23:44] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper why arent you in bed
[23:45] <Kilos> or sleeping


[04:58] <DarinMiller> By chance does anyone know why libmysql-java was omitted from 19.04?  It was present in 18.10... https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libmysql-java&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[06:13] <vorlon> DarinMiller: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-connector-java/+publishinghistory
[21:12] <DarinMiller> thanks vorlon. so as per the link, we should now use the libmariadb-java package.


[02:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:24] <ducasse> good morning
[07:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[20:16] <sarnold> Bashing-om: btw one common problem with mysql maint scripts is folks changing between mariadb and mysqldb and finding the mariadb package disables the apparmor profile
[20:17] <sarnold> Bashing-om: I'm not entirely sure how people manage to do this all the time, but it might be worth asking for *loads* of context to try to figure out what's ahppened here
[20:23] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Tread lightly here as the poster just advised on WSL :( Not a lot of personal interest left here for me.
[20:23] <sarnold> Bashing-om: oh cripes
[20:23] <sarnold> Bashing-om: thanks :)
[20:24] <sarnold> that's gotta be the first thing you say when you ask for help on something
[20:24] <sarnold> like noscript users, arch users, fish shell users, etc :)
[20:26] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Yup - WSL puts it out of our reach >> Kernel 4.4.0-18362-Microsoft :(
[20:27] <sarnold> pity, though, since it sounds neat enough, and makes testing ubuntu-ish stuff so much easier for millions of people
[20:27] <sarnold> I tend to forget windows is even a thing, but every now and then someone reminds me that they've got millions of users
[20:29] <Bashing-om> sarnold: WSL might become a thing :D Unknow the level of ubuntu interest, however.
[20:29] <Bashing-om> unkown*
[20:30]  * daftykins 's vote is do it right, go authentic penguin (TM)
[20:30] <sarnold> I think we've all got goodwill for making it work, but when step one is "have a windows computer", well, maybe we're not going to be good at dogfooding it ;)
[20:31] <Bashing-om> sarnold: I departed Windows years back - and never looked back.
[20:31] <sarnold> hehne yeah
[20:34] <Bashing-om> sarnold: My clients come to me with a Windows problem - as I do not like/understand/want Microsoft - my solution is install 'buntu for them :P
[20:36] <sarnold> haha
[20:36] <sarnold> "look, your problem is gone!"
[20:37] <oerheks> send all mint problems to me, thanks.
[20:37] <Bashing-om> sarnold: In my small world ^^ works 100% of the time :D
[20:53] <pragmaticenigma> count down to their return?


[16:00] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <rbasak> o/
[16:01]  * rbasak has somewhere between very poor and no connectivity today.
[16:01] <rbasak> Will be around but in and out.
[16:02] <hallyn_> zul is chairing?
[16:02] <gnuoy> o/
[16:02] <tinoco> hello
[16:03] <zul> nope
[16:03] <hallyn_> hm, agenda says "Previous meeting (July 1st) actions:" - that looks un-updated in awhile :)
[16:03] <hallyn_> ok, well gaughen is out on vacash, i believe,
[16:04] <lutostag> o/
[16:04] <hallyn_> #startmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 22 16:04:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is hallyn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:04] <kickinz1> o/
[16:04] <hallyn_> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:04] <hallyn_> none afaics
[16:04] <hallyn_> #topic U development
[16:04] <hallyn_> smoser, jamespage: ^
[16:04] <matsubara> o/
[16:04] <beisner> o/
[16:04] <jamespage> o/
[16:04] <gaughen> hallyn_, I'm actually here. thank you for running it though
[16:05] <hallyn_> thought you were suppoed to be out wildernessing or something
[16:05] <hallyn_> anything to be said on U development
[16:06] <hallyn_> (there used to be links to release critical bugs in the agenda...)
[16:06] <hallyn_> ok, moving on
[16:06] <hallyn_> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:06] <hallyn_> no caribou here, so moving on
[16:06] <hallyn_> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:06] <hallyn_> hey psivaa
[16:07] <psivaa> hallyn_: hey
[16:07] <psivaa> hallyn_: not much to update :)
[16:07] <hallyn_> psivaa: ok, so regarding the utah problems with machine reboot;  unless you've solved it,
[16:08] <psivaa> hallyn_: it's not 100% solved. but things are much better without us changing anything
[16:08] <hallyn_> oh, well that's good :)
[16:08] <psivaa> yea, thanks a lot for your inputs
[16:08] <hallyn_> np - moving on then,
[16:08] <hallyn_> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:09] <hallyn_> sforshee: i need to get aroudn to testing your fuse-in-userns kernel (it's built in a ppa)...
[16:09] <hallyn_> adding that to my list right now..
[16:09] <sforshee> hallyn_: well I'm working on changes from upstream feedback anyhow
[16:10] <hallyn_> yeah, but i want to see how it performs inside a container :)
[16:10] <hallyn_> so i can tell smoser how cool it really is
[16:10] <hallyn_> hm, smb is not here
[16:10] <hallyn_> sforshee: anything to say in smb's place about general kernel status wrt server?
[16:11] <sforshee> no, I can't think of anything
[16:11] <hallyn_> cool - keep rockin' on then :)  moving on,
[16:11] <hallyn_> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:11] <hallyn_> anything coming up in the next month?
[16:11] <hallyn_> lxc sprint is in a little *over* a month...
[16:12] <hallyn_> doesn't jamespage always know of some upcoming event?
[16:12] <hallyn_> moving on,
[16:12] <hallyn_> #topic Open Discussion
[16:12] <jamespage> nothing springs to mind - the submissions deadline for ods is mondau
[16:13] <hallyn_> jamespage: next monday?  we should prolly talk about what we've got on wed then
[16:13]  * hallyn_ hopes someone adds that to that agenda
[16:13]  * hallyn_ waits another half-minute for any open discussion to break out
[16:14] <hallyn_> ok, moving on,
[16:14] <hallyn_> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:14] <hallyn_> that'll be Tuesday July 29, 16:00 UTC, with either gaughen or rbasak chairing
[16:14] <gaughen> hallyn_, well next Tuesday I really am out
[16:15] <hallyn_> rbasak it is then :)
[16:15] <gaughen> so I'll have to move myself on the schedule
[16:15] <hallyn_> i'll move yo uto the next week
[16:15] <gaughen> because I'll be unavailable the next time too
[16:15] <hallyn_> ok :)
[16:15] <gaughen> I'm a trouble maker!!!!
[16:15] <hallyn_> all right - have a good day everyone
[16:15] <hallyn_> #endmeeting
[16:15] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 16:15:38 2014 UTC.
[16:15] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-07-22-16.04.moin.txt
[16:15] <gaughen> oh great, that was recorded?
[16:15] <gnuoy> thanks hallyn_
[16:15] <hallyn_> well it's always recorded at irclogs.ubuntu.com :)
[16:16] <hallyn_> \o
[17:00] <ogasawara> #startmeeting
[17:00] <ogasawara> ##
[17:00] <ogasawara> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:00] <ogasawara> ##
[17:00] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 22 17:00:24 2014 UTC.  The chair is ogasawara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:00] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <cking> \o
[17:00] <ogasawara> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <ogasawara> #
[17:00] <ogasawara> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <ogasawara> #       'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized)
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[17:00] <jsalisbury> \o
[17:00] <smb> o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <rtg> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:00] <ogasawara> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:00] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:00] <ogasawara> ..
[17:01] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> The Utopic kernel has been rebased to v3.16-rc6 and officially uploaded
[17:01] <ogasawara> to the archive.  We (as in apw) has also completed a hurculean config
[17:01] <ogasawara> review for Utopic and administered the appropriate changes.  Please test
[17:01] <ogasawara> and let us know your results.
[17:01] <ogasawara> -----
[17:01] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Jul 24 - 14.04.1 (~2 days away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Aug 07 - 12.04.5 (~2 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Aug 21 - Utopic Feature Freeze (~4 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:01] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:01] <ogasawara> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <ogasawara> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:01] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Saucy/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:01] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Jul. 22):
[17:01] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Released
[17:01] <bjf>   * Precise - Released
[17:01] <bjf>   *   Saucy - Released
[17:01] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Released
[17:01] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:02] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> 14.04.1 cycle: 29-Jun through 07-Aug
[17:02] <bjf> [17:02] <bjf>          27-Jun   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:02] <bjf> 29-Jun - 05-Jul   Kernel prep week.
[17:02] <bjf> 06-Jul - 12-Jul   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:02] <bjf> 13-Jul - 19-Jul   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:02] <bjf> 20-Jul - 24-Jul   Release prep
[17:02] <bjf>          24-Jul   14.04.1 Release [1]
[17:02] <bjf>          07-Aug   12.04.5 Release [2]
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> cycle: 08-Aug through 29-Aug
[17:02] <bjf> [17:02] <bjf>          08-Aug   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:02] <bjf> 10-Aug - 16-Aug   Kernel prep week.
[17:02] <bjf> 17-Aug - 23-Aug   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:02] <bjf> 24-Aug - 29-Aug   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> [1] This will be the very last kernels for lts-backport-quantal, lts-backport-raring,
[17:02] <bjf>     and lts-backport-saucy.
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> [2] This will be the lts-backport-trusty kernel as the default in the precise point
[17:02] <bjf>     release iso.
[17:02] <bjf> ..
[17:02] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thanks everyone
[17:03] <ogasawara> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 22 17:03:13 2014 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-07-22-17.00.moin.txt
[17:03] <ogasawara> hehe, sorry arges
[17:03] <kamal> thanks ogasawara!