[12:57] <robertj> hrmm, well I have ended up having a degree of success with pam-script + pam-mount
[12:59] <robertj> net result is user foo can log in and have their directory mounted on the fly on a per-user basis
[01:13] <Viper550> Hello! Guess what, I have an idea for StreamlinedBoot!
[01:13] <mjg59> Viper550: Shoot
[01:14] <Viper550> Okay, you want Usplash to display the bootup tasks by groups right?
[01:15] <Viper550> I've done some additions to the wiki page /StreamlinedBoot detailing my idea. I'm a end user kinda, but I think I know the way to do this!
[01:15] <Burgwork> Viper550, can I move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GfxbootTheme ?
[01:15] <mjg59> Viper550: Hmm. The flashing thing?
[01:16] <Viper550> yes
[01:16] <Viper550> yes for both!
[01:16] <mjg59> Viper550: Interesting
[01:16] <Viper550> Also, look under Implementation
[01:16] <Burgwork> Viper550, and can we move all these things under Artwork?
[01:16] <mjg59> Viper550: I've no idea what the plan is, but it's easy to implement that in uslash :)
[01:16] <Viper550> yes!
[01:16] <Viper550> Oh yeah, I'm yalking Streamlined Boot here, artwork related requests for me should me in ubuntu-meeting
[01:16] <mjg59> Scott will be back from holday next week, so I'll chat to him then?
[01:17] <Viper550> Ojay!
[01:17] <Viper550> I meant Okay
[01:17] <Burgwork> Viper550, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/MetacityTheme
[01:17] <Burgwork> Viper550, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/GfxbootTheme
[01:18] <Viper550> T and Y!
[01:18] <Viper550> p.s. Happy New Year in 2 days...
[01:19] <Burgwork> Viper550, can you make certain you create any more artwork pages under Artwork?
[01:19] <Viper550> Okay, I already pledged that in meeting
[01:19] <Burgwork> Viper550, thanks
[01:20] <Viper550> You are welcome, now on StreamlinedBoot, check out my idea Burgwork!
[01:25] <jdub> Burgwork: ber, unnecessary structure in a wiki
[01:25] <Viper550> So, is my idea feasable or doable?
[01:25] <jdub> Viper550: keep in mind that canonical is sponsoring the default desktop artwork in dapper again
[01:25] <Viper550> Oh great, but the Universe idea is a good idea
[01:26] <tseng> jdub: does it have naked hunnies?
[01:26] <Viper550> No, they discontinued ubuntu-calendar
[01:26] <Burgwork> jdub, which page?
[01:27] <Burgwork> jdub, you talking the specs moving the artwork stuff?
[01:27] <jdub> Burgwork: always putting everything in subpages
[01:28] <Burgwork> jdub, not always, just for things that should be logically grouped together, such as artwork discussion or testing
[01:29] <jdub> Burgwork: "logically grouped" doesn't always imply "requires a separate namespace"
[01:29] <Burgwork> jdub, yes, I agree with you. we are just disagreeing about when
[01:32] <Burgwork> jdub, recent changes is getting hard to parse quickly. Namespaces allow that
[01:39] <Viper550> So, does anyone still like my StreamlinedBoot idea?
[01:40] <Burgwork> Viper550, I like the idea, but am not certain about blinking the words or the number of words
[01:41] <Burgwork> jdub, on happier notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyWaysToHelpUbuntu
[01:41] <Viper550> But, that's what the KDE splash does!
[01:41] <Viper550> Also, the GIF was an example only!
[01:41] <Burgwork> Viper550, yes, it was a cool first mockup
[01:44] <Viper550> Yep, but it's the coding ideas that are the stars here!
[01:46] <Viper550> Come on configure.........
[01:46] <Viper550> YEAH! Lets make a make!
[01:46] <Viper550> never mind, failed already (goes to packages.ubuntu.com
[01:48] <Viper550> Reading Database...
[01:49] <Viper550> Unpacking, setting up
[01:49] <Viper550> There, done!
[02:47] <crimsun_> elmo: please sync qtparted, mysql++, nss-mdns, and mplayerplug-in from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks.
[02:54] <mjg59> crimsun_: He's not back from holiday yet, so it might be an idea to mail him
[02:55] <psusi> damn... I'm so confused... I did apt-get source gnome-volume-manager... now let's say I fix the source... what do I want to do to build it into a package I can install and test?  dpkg-buildpkg?  and then assuming it works, how do I get the changes into dapper?
[02:57] <psusi> I'm used to just ./configure, make, make install... then when it works, diff and email... but I"m trying to figure out the "right" way
[02:58] <crimsun_> psusi: generate a debdiff and attach it to the bugzilla bug report
[02:58] <crimsun_> mjg59: right, thanks.
[02:58] <psusi> how do you do that?
[02:58] <crimsun_> psusi: /j -motu
[02:58] <psusi> ahh... ok...
[04:12] <psusi> anyone know what sets the is_mounted hal attribute?  is it g-v-m, pmount, or hald itself?
[04:13] <crimsun_> I would hope the last.
[04:14] <crimsun_> (presuming of course that hald has any concept of mounted devices)
[04:14] <psusi> how would it know when mounts change, and so it should take a look at mtmp again?
[04:15] <crimsun_> have you asked in #freedesktop ?
[04:20] <psusi> hrm... good idea...
[05:19] <FireRabbit> hey folks, is there an (up to date) doc somewhere that explains the entire hardware detection process (all the way to where it actually loads the module)?
[05:27] <Amaranth> FireRabbit: you'd want to look into udev and hal
[05:30] <FireRabbit> hmm, any suggestions of files/directoies i should poke around in?
[05:33] <desrt> FireRabbit; new device gets plugged in
[05:33] <desrt> FireRabbit; kernel generates an event on a netlink socket
[05:33] <desrt> FireRabbit; udevd is listening
[05:33] <desrt> FireRabbit; udevd invokes modprobe (possibly indirectly)
[05:34] <desrt> FireRabbit; modprobe looks at its config in /etc/modprobe.d/ to resolve aliases and figure out options
[05:34] <desrt> FireRabbit; modprobe calls insmod with the appropriate info
[05:34] <desrt> FireRabbit; insmod loads the module
[05:34] <Amaranth> does it modprobe every driver possible until it finds one that wants the device?
[05:34] <desrt> Amaranth; no.  there is a list of which module belongs to which USB(for example) vendor/product codes
[05:35] <FireRabbit> desrt, where is this list?
[05:35] <Amaranth> i thought the list was in the driver
[05:35] <desrt> it is
[05:35] <desrt> it gets pulled out by modutils
[05:35] <desrt> and stored in /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[05:35] <Amaranth> ah
[05:35] <desrt> see modules.___map
[05:35] <FireRabbit> those modules.* files?
[05:35] <desrt> yes
[05:36] <FireRabbit> okay... good to know .. thanks... so does udev read these map files or modprobe?
[05:36] <desrt> i don't know
[05:36] <FireRabbit> hmm
[05:37] <desrt> i suspect it's modprobe though
[05:37] <FireRabbit> i would think udevd, since 'modprobe' wants the name of the module
[05:37] <desrt> no.  modprobe has a reasonably sophisticated alias-resolution system
[05:37] <desrt> you can probably say something like modprobe usb-id-1234-5678
[05:37] <desrt> and it will DTRT
[05:37] <FireRabbit> oh
[05:37] <desrt> i don't know the exact syntax
[05:37] <FireRabbit> DTRT=?
[05:38] <desrt> 'do the right thing'
[05:38] <Amaranth> do the right thing
[05:38] <FireRabbit> oh
[05:40] <FireRabbit> anyone else know the answer.... ?
[05:41] <desrt> FireRabbit; do some investigation on your own.  you have the source to the entire operating system.  absolutely nothing is stopping you
[05:41] <desrt> FireRabbit; you also have google
[05:42] <FireRabbit> heh.. yeah, alright i'll poke around
[05:42] <FireRabbit> it's confusing because i know that a lot of hotplug stuff changed in dapper.. dunno what is current and what isn't
[07:04] <spstarr_home> is bugzilla broken? i cant submit a bug missing fields, but page doesnt render to show me the fields(?)
[08:57] <sivang> morning al
[09:20] <Treenaks> sabdfl made cnn again: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/12/29/space.travel.ap/index.html
[09:21] <Treenaks> (or at least, a picture of him)
[09:21] <zakame> w00t
[09:25] <sivang> Yep, that's our Mark - always on the news :)
[12:02] <teuf> hi
[12:35] <siretart> is someone else encountering problems with archive.ubuntu.com? the mysterious 'file not found' errors vanished when switching to my country mirror
[12:43] <janimo> elmo, please sync/override xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin. thank you
[12:46] <janimo> elmo, also, canonical RT issue #1215, thank you. And a happy new year.
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> janimo, lol
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> "elmo, fix my problems, then you can have new year" ;)
[12:51] <janimo> they're orthogonal :)
[12:51] <janimo> happy new year all even if you don;t fix any of my probs.
[12:51] <janimo> bye
[01:49] <slomo> elmo: please sync pygame, meta-gnome2, gazpacho from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped
[04:01] <zakame> elmo: please sync libfwbuilder from Debian Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes ok.  Thanks :D
[04:02] <elmo> libfwbuilder |  2.0.9-3.1 | dapper/universe | source
[04:04] <zakame> ooh, it was already there since the 6th, my bad :( sorry then
[05:13] <fabbione> siretart: i am getting rsync to hang on one of the archive.u.c so it might be a problem with one of them
[05:13] <fabbione> siretart: btw.. igor has a bad memory module.
[05:14] <fabbione> siretart: dmesg is full of ECC correction
[05:14] <siretart> fabbione: thanks for notice, I'll see what I can do
[05:14] <fabbione> siretart: and it makes a bunch of pkgs to fail to build when they suck up all mem
[05:14] <fabbione> siretart: let me know when and if you are taking it down
[05:14] <siretart> will do
[05:15] <fabbione> so that i can stop the buildd in time
[05:15] <siretart> the thing is that I will be skiing next week
[05:15] <Simira> fabbione :) Merry Christmas and all that stuff
[05:15] <fabbione> Simira: same to you :)
[05:15] <fabbione> siretart: no problem.. it might have been doing for a while.
[05:16] <siretart> fabbione: I have to ask Joerg what kind of memory it needs and look for a replacement
[05:16] <siretart> but up to now I think it has been doing a quite good job, the poor old igor :)
[05:16] <fabbione> siretart: ok, no rush :)
[05:16] <fabbione> siretart: oh i agree :)
[05:18] <siretart> fabbione: will be igor any good when soyuz goes life? do you have any news on that topic?
[05:19] <fabbione> siretart: i hope that when soyuz will go online, there will be sparc buildd at the datacenter
[05:19] <fabbione> siretart: and we can turn igor into a test install bitch^Wmachine
[05:22] <siretart> fabbione: sounds good!
[05:24] <psusi> fabbione: hey... have you had a chance ( or will you sometime in the near future ) to look at the initramfs scripts I added to the dmraid bug?  Think they might get moved into the dmraid package and the package mvoed to main in time for dapper?
[05:28] <jbailey> Simira: I had a crazy dream last night that you told Tollef to phone me up and yell at me.
[05:28] <jbailey> Simira: And he phoned me and asked for something to make him angry so that he could yell at me - you hadn't given him a reason.
[05:29] <Treenaks> LOL
[05:29] <Simira> jbailey : what did you do now?
[05:29] <Simira> jbailey : and what's your phone number?
[05:29] <mjg59> jbailey: Dude, I can't install 2.4 kernels because mkinitramfs bitches and doesn't fall back
[05:30] <jbailey> Simira: No idea. =)
[05:30] <jbailey> mjg59: In Ubuntu?
[05:30] <mjg59> jbailey: Yeah
[05:31] <Mez> jbailey, you're name isnt John is it ?
[05:31] <jbailey> mjg59: On all arches aside from i386, glibc is tweaked to to die if it tries to run on a pre-2.6 kernel.  i386 will get the same love post dapper.
[05:31] <mjg59> jbailey: Uhm. So we're not 2.4 compatible?
[05:31] <jbailey> mjg59: Nope.  2.4 has never been a supported target for Ubuntu since Warty.
[05:32] <mjg59> jbailey: The packages should possibly be pulled from the archive, then :)
[05:32] <jbailey> Although until Breezy, it would generally work.  In breezy I think it generally wouldn't work and in dapper +1 I promise that it won't. =)
[05:32] <jbailey> *lol*  Yeah probably. =0
[05:32] <jbailey> All of Dapper's hotplug/udev/initramfs-tools love needs at least 2.6.12, too.
[05:33] <mjg59> Mm.
[05:33] <robertj> what's the background info on pam management & authconfig? I imagine authconfig was rejected for not being complete enough and not using gst?
[05:33] <Simira> jbailey : about your phone number?
[05:33] <mjg59> Well, let's see what happens when I reboot now...
[05:34] <jbailey> Simira: Eh?  =)
[05:34] <Simira> 0:)
[05:35] <jbailey> Simira: Your beau already has it..  Perhaps he can take a look at your evil grin and decide if it's safe to give it to you or not.. =)
[05:36] <psusi> dapper is due out in feb right?
[05:36] <psusi> err...
[05:36] <psusi> no...
[05:36] <psusi> did the math wrong... april
[05:36] <Simira> jbailey : hehe, yeah. I'll just wish you happy new year or something.
[05:41] <Mez> Hmm - anyone here able to help me find out why I'm not getting katie output
[05:43] <fabbione> psusi: no, i didn't look at dmraid in a while, didn't see new upstream releaes and it seems to be broken in dapper (at least it is for me)
[05:43] <fabbione> psusi: given how fast it breaks i doubt i am going to push it in main for now
[05:46] <psusi> fabbione: it breaks?
[05:46] <psusi> works great for me and about 3 other people who have emailed me
[05:48] <Mez> jdub: ping
[05:53] <thesaltydog> any chance to get baobab and/or bum in main?
[06:19] <jbailey> Mithrandir: =)
[06:31] <Robot101> wtf, gajim in dapper depends on dnspython which is gone
[06:41] <fabbione> psusi: it breaks for me. i didn't say your scripts are broken. it's a devmapper issue in my case
[07:19] <psusi> hrm... maybe I can help you figure out what's wrong?
[07:22] <fabbione> psusi: dmraid doesn't see the disks anymore. a dmraid scan reports no disks available.
[07:22] <fabbione> can be anything..
[07:22] <fabbione> from the kernel to udev
[07:22] <psusi> what are the symptoms?
[07:23] <fabbione> psusi: dmraid doesn't see the disks anymore. a dmraid scan reports no disks available.
[07:23] <fabbione> so it can't activate disks that it can't see
[07:24] <psusi> hrm... do you actually have the disks set up for dmraid?  i.e. configured in the bios?  or did you just partition the disks with mdraid?
[07:24] <psusi> I assume the former, but thought I'd make sure
[07:25] <psusi> hrm... which controller do you have again?  via?
[07:30] <fabbione> psusi: yes, .12 sees them. it's a via.
[07:30] <fabbione> anyway time for dinner and shower
[07:30] <fabbione> it's a low priority problem for me anyway
[07:30] <fabbione> there are no data on those disks
[07:30] <psusi> weird... changing kernel is what breaks it?
[07:31] <fabbione> yes i told you, but there can be different reasons for that
[07:31] <fabbione> the driver doesn't see the disks
[07:31] <fabbione> udev doesn't create the devices
[07:31] <fabbione> etc.
[07:31] <fabbione> now.. i am off for real :)
[07:31] <Mez> hmm
[07:31] <fabbione> it's my last day of vac
[07:32] <Mez> how annoying would it be if someone accidentally managed to upload a package to the buidds which just kept calling itself :D
[07:32] <Mez> lol
[07:32] <Mez> luckily it's nothing I plan to upload anywhere
[07:39] <psusi> udev doesn't create the devices for the underlying physical disks?  that would be a problem outside the scope of dmraid ;)
[07:51] <bddebian> Hello
[08:11] <ryanpg> hi again pitti, do you need anything else for bug 20564? it's the last day of my vacation so I'm willing to help if I can :)
[08:14] <pitti> ryanpg: I'm a bit puzzled
[08:14] <pitti> ryanpg: what does 'id hal' say?
[08:15] <pitti> oh, forget that if usb mounting works
[08:17] <pitti> ryanpg: I just replied to the bug, I need a ful hal debug output
[08:17] <pitti> ryanpg: as described on DebuggingRemovableDevices
[08:23] <ryanpg> pitti, hrm... I didn't think I truncated the hal ouput
[08:23] <pitti> ryanpg: I didn't suspect you to :)
[08:23] <ryanpg> pitti, well I'll do it again right now :)
[08:23] <pitti> somehow hal does not see the firewire device partitions; it sees the device itself, though
[08:23] <pitti> ryanpg: 'again'?
[08:24] <ryanpg> I thought above you were asking for me to redo DebuggingRemovableDevices to provide " a ful hal debug output"
[08:24] <pitti> ryanpg: no, it's described on the second half of the page
[08:24] <ryanpg> oh oh ok... yeah I get it sorry
[08:25] <pitti> ryanpg: hald --verbose=yes --daemon=no etc.
[08:25] <ryanpg> right doing so now
[08:25] <ryanpg> I guess I should follow the breezy part in step 3
[08:29] <ryanpg> pitti, ok it's attached
[08:29] <ryanpg> this line seems to say a lot "13:27:53.578 [I]  blockdev.c:602: Ignoring hotplug event - no parent"
[08:32] <pitti> ryanpg: hm, it doesn't look too bad, odd
[08:32] <pitti> ryanpg: thanks for the log
[08:32] <ryanpg> pitti, np
[08:33] <ryanpg> hope there's not much more testing to do, I just tripped over the cable and threw the firewire drive on the floor! :P
[08:34] <pitti> ryanpg: there is no such warning for sda
[08:34] <dooglus> "locate" is dumping core for me.  how would I go about building a debuggable version?
[08:34] <pitti> ryanpg: do you get an lshal entry for sda now?
[08:35] <ryanpg>  lshal | grep sda returns nothing
[08:36] <ryanpg> ok after another disconnect and reconnect I get   linux.device_file = '/dev/sda1'  (string)
[08:37] <ryanpg> pitti, sorry I also did pmount /dev/sda3
[08:38] <pitti> ok, the 'Ignoring hotplug event - no parent' causes the device not to be added to the db
[08:39] <mjg59> Did anyone download the Debs of those conexant drivers?
[08:40] <pitti> ryanpg: I'm puzzled about that; I'll ask upstream about it
[08:41] <ryanpg> pitti, ok... I also wonder what's unique about my setup... no one else has commented on the bug
[08:41] <pitti> ryanpg: did it work in breezy?
[08:41] <ryanpg> pitti, yes
[08:43] <ryanpg> a general question: what's the average lag-time between a package appearing on dapper-changes list and ending up in the repos?
[08:43] <pitti> ryanpg: that depends on how fast it is built
[08:43] <pitti> or if it is built at all
[08:43] <ryanpg> pitti, ic
[08:44] <ryanpg> I had assumed it was automated and everything on dapper-changes was built in order
[08:45] <ryanpg> pitti, thanks for working on this udev issue, I'm sure you'll update the bug if you need more info
[08:45] <pitti> yes, I will
[08:45] <pitti> it's a hal issue now :)
[08:45] <ryanpg> uh oh :)
[08:57] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/483986 < my nautilus isn't working anymore
[08:57] <lucasvo> anyone know what's wrong?
[08:59] <lucasvo> it doesn't seem to be a problem of the user
[08:59] <ryanpg> lucasvo, you may want to try #ubuntu this isn't a support channel
[08:59] <lucasvo> ryanpg: as I said, it doesn't seem to be a problem of the user...
[09:16] <kikidonk> hello ! is it normal that eclipse in dapper/universe is broken ?
[09:16] <kikidonk> eclipse-jdt and eclipse-jdt-common depend on each other
[09:16] <kikidonk> making impossible to install anything depending on these two (eclipse-sdk and co)
[09:40] <Robot101> why does ubuntu turn on per-tty tickets for sudo?


[00:37] <stefandxm> hola
[00:37] <stefandxm> trying to find some flows of the usb iniating stuff
[00:38] <stefandxm> seems i have a race condition for my device
[00:38] <stefandxm> sometimes it docks like a ttyusb** and sometimes it docks the driver to become an ethernet device
[00:38] <stefandxm> any pointers?
[00:39] <stefandxm> i think its related to the host. but i cannot debug it / disable the false action
[00:39] <stefandxm> host as in the usb part
[00:41] <stefandxm> is there any diagram of the usb support systems in ubuntu?
[01:15] <stefandxm> is channel alive?
[01:20] <nickgaw> That is what I was wondering to about my ubuntu installer questions.
[01:20] <nickgaw> no one is here or just sitting
[01:20] <stefandxm> i dunno
[01:20] <stefandxm> i was redirected here
[01:20] <stefandxm> is there any arch documenations of ubuntu?
[01:20] <nickgaw> Do you know how to checkout with bzr the ubuntu installer?
[01:20] <stefandxm> nope
[01:21] <stefandxm> iam trying to figure out how the usb drivers flow looks like
[01:21] <stefandxm> i can hack a debugger
[01:21] <nickgaw> Are there development versions of ubuntu?
[01:21] <stefandxm> i dont know
[01:21] <stefandxm> iam merely a user
[01:21] <stefandxm> trying to understand how stuff work
[01:21] <nickgaw> ok me to.
[01:22] <stefandxm> i dont think they care tbh
[01:22] <stefandxm> not about irc that is
[01:22] <nickgaw> I think this is just a user channel not an officially supported channel.
[01:22] <stefandxm> agreed
[01:23] <nickgaw> It could be the fact it is the weekend now and you might have better luck on a week day.
[01:23] <stefandxm> could be
[01:25] <stefandxm>  <oerheks> stefandxm, best chance in #ubuntu-devel is during officehours, uk, but most devs are on the mailinglist, not irc
[01:25] <stefandxm> so that might be it
[01:27] <nickgaw> That is understandable.
[01:27] <stefandxm> agreed
[12:15] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, I need some help with your chdist-if script again
[12:15] <ahasenack> rbasak: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/rvx6NRMSN3/ is the autohinter section
[12:16] <ahasenack> rbasak: I also have this bit from you, last time you helped: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/yj4nxccWSq/
[12:18] <rbasak> ahasenack: I don't see the issue immediately
[12:18] <rbasak> :-/
[12:18] <ahasenack> same, all combinations I try just work
[12:18] <rbasak> Also looks like my method doesn't handle Conflicts well
[12:27] <rbasak> W: Unable to locate package bind9-libs
[12:27] <rbasak> ^ looks like that's new in focal-proposed
[12:27] <rbasak> I wonder if that's related or a red herring.
[12:29] <ahasenack> bind9-libs is new in proposed only, yes
[12:29] <ahasenack> so there is src:bind9-libs in f-p, and bin:bind9-libs in f-p
[12:30] <ahasenack> not from the same source
[12:31] <rbasak> I don't follow the rearrangement
[12:32] <rbasak> Why doesn't the new bind9 in proposed depend on bind-libs or its  dependants?
[12:32] <rbasak> Uh
[12:32] <ahasenack> rbasak: src:bind9-libs is for 9.11.x, whereas src:bind9 (9.16.x) produces a binary package called bind9-libs that pulls together all the individual library packages that 9.11 used to produce
[12:32] <rbasak> Why doesn't the new bind9 in proposed *build-depend* on bind-libs or its dependants?
[12:33] <ahasenack> isc-dhcp doesn't build with bind9-9.16.x, it needs 9.11.x
[12:33] <ahasenack> so we have two binds in main
[12:33] <ahasenack> one to provide only libraries for legacy apps, and the other package the server at its newest lts version
[12:35] <ahasenack> last I heard from vor-lon this was entangled in a debian-installer installability problem due to a new kernel, but that was last week, and seems to have resolved
[12:36] <rbasak> Ah
[12:36] <rbasak> I hadn't been keeping up-to-date with all the details of this
[12:36] <rbasak> Should I catch up by asking a million questions, or leave it to you and vor-lon and others who have looked at it alreay?
[12:36] <ahasenack> this was discussed with foundations and security, I wouldn't do something crazy like this without peer checking :)
[12:37] <ahasenack> and in standups as well ;)
[12:37] <rbasak> I had understood something complicated was going on
[12:37] <ahasenack> I'll keep looking, I was more wondering if I used your script correctly
[12:37] <rbasak> I missed that the resolution was two source packages. I'm not complaining!
[12:37] <rbasak> I think you are, but there might well be limitations in my script here
[12:38] <ahasenack> and my knowledge of udebs
[12:38] <ahasenack> where is this package stored, for example: libisccc-export161-udeb
[12:38] <rbasak> I don't understand why britney says that autodns-dhcp would become uninstallable (starting at the beginning)
[12:43] <Laney> rbasak: ahasenack: Are you talking about the autohint "bind-dyndb-ldap/11.2-1build2 bind9-libs/1:9.11.16+dfsg-3~build1 isc-dhcp/4.4.1-2.1ubuntu2
[12:44] <Laney> "
[12:44] <Laney> ?
[12:44] <ahasenack> yes
[12:44] <Laney> then it seems to come down to https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9xXK6ySCxS/
[12:45] <Laney> afaics
[12:45] <Laney> bind9's not in that hint
[12:46] <ahasenack> so bind9-host comes from src:bind9. There is src:bind9 9.11.x in release, and src:bind9 9.16.x in proposed
[12:48] <ahasenack> why isn't bind9-host 9.11.14 not upgrading to bind9-host 9.16?
[12:48] <Laney> I don't know why the auto-hinter didn't put it in there
[12:48] <Laney> I can ask the hint-tester and see what would happen
[12:49] <rbasak> I don't know why my script can resolve that
[12:49] <rbasak> But I agree src:bind9 isn't in that hint
[12:49] <ahasenack> libbind9-161 didn't change sonames between 9.11.14 and 9.11.16
[12:50] <ahasenack> Laney: how does that work, ask the hint-tester?
[12:52] <Laney> I can run it with the --hint-tester flag on the archive machine
[12:52] <ahasenack> what does it do?
[12:52] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jGwnq6JRMF/
[12:52] <Laney> that
[12:52] <ahasenack> so, debian-installer-udebs
[12:52] <ahasenack> d-i was rebuilt a few times since bind9 was uploaded
[12:54] <ahasenack> I see its depends line
[12:54]  * ahasenack checks
[12:54] <mwhudson> the thing with vim in focal where middle click pastes the vim buffer not the x one is driving me bananas
[12:55] <ahasenack> mwhudson: +1
[12:56] <mwhudson> ah https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/1864424
[12:58] <ahasenack> in d-i-udebs, I see the diff in the libdns-export and libisc-export sonames, that looks correct
[12:58] <ahasenack> and I see errors installing kernel -di packages
[12:58] <ahasenack> so maybe it's still the issue vor-lon said
[12:59] <ahasenack> well https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#debian-installer
[13:09] <xnox> ahasenack:  but has the d-i been rebuild against the right kernel, and is that kernel out? =) as far as i can tell -16 kernel no longer exists, it's iether 14 (release pocket) or 17 (proposed pocket)
[13:10] <ahasenack> xnox: I don't have more details
[13:10] <xnox> ahasenack:  i think we should rebuild d-i against 17 kernel, and wait for kernel to be released.
[13:11] <ahasenack> "debian-installer is all that's left, and it needs linux-meta to drop the snapdragon metapackages for a kernel flavor we're no longer building"
[13:11] <ahasenack> that's what vor-lon said last week, does that ring any bells?
[13:11] <xnox> whilst true, the statement is incomplete =)
[13:11] <xnox> well
[13:11] <xnox> rather things have changed since that was said
[13:12] <ahasenack> indeed vlan-modules-5.4.0-17-generic-di exists
[13:13] <ahasenack> but not vlan-modules-5.4.0-17-generic-di
[13:13] <ahasenack> er
[13:13] <ahasenack> but not vlan-modules-5.4.0-16-generic-di
[13:13] <xnox> yes, uploading d-i rebuild against -17
[13:13] <ahasenack> thank you!
[13:15] <xnox> however
[13:15] <xnox> i think the snapdragon bug is still there
[13:15] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/18772755
[13:15] <xnox> shows that meta for 17 still generates snapdragon packages, let's hope they are still installable....
[13:17] <xnox> anyway
[13:17] <ahasenack> the rebuild for -17 was necessary anyway, right
[13:17] <xnox> ahasenack:  let's wait for this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/20101020ubuntu603 to finish building and getting pickup by excuses.
[13:17] <xnox> then we will see what else is left
[13:17] <ahasenack> ok
[13:21] <rbasak> OK so chdist-if-migrated has a bug I think
[13:22] <Laney> I was using a script I wrote a few years ago: https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/update-output-helper
[13:23] <rbasak> "chdist apt-cache focal-proposed showsrc bind9-libs" outputs "Package: bind9" as well as "Package: bind9-libs"
[13:23] <rbasak> I wasn't expecting that
[13:24] <rbasak> Ah
[13:24] <rbasak> I need --only-source apparently
[13:24] <ahasenack> Laney: the mp is pending since 2015? :)
[13:25] <rbasak> That fixed it
[13:25] <ahasenack> rbasak: diff please ? :)
[13:25] <Laney> yeah...
[13:25] <Laney> I gave up on getting it merged and just use it locally :P
[13:25] <ahasenack> Laney: is that branch up-to-date?
[13:26] <ahasenack> https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/update-output-helper specifically
[13:26] <ahasenack> or, if it's standalone, could you just paste it?
[13:28] <rbasak> ahasenack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XHngKFM5K4/
[13:29] <ahasenack> thx
[13:31] <Laney> it's not going to be up to date with respect to lp:ubuntu-archive-tools itself but you can grab the script out of it if you want to use it
[13:31] <doko> kanashiro: did you prepare a ruby-defaults transition tracker?
[13:32] <Laney> sounds like chdist-if-migrated is doing the same thing though?
[13:33] <ahasenack> the later has some complicated preparation steps, that's why I wanted to look at yours too
[13:33] <ahasenack> latter
[13:34] <Laney> okey
[13:35] <Laney> well of course feel free to use, improve or steal ideas
[13:35] <ahasenack> :)
[13:42] <juliank> kanashiro: doko actually made a ruby2.7-only tracker now fwiw
[14:18] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: Do you care for usb-creator? I was wondering if it should still be in main.
[14:18] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: what do you want to replace it with?
[14:19] <mdeslaur> I don't particularly care about it
[14:20] <rbasak> Time to stick this into git
[14:21] <rbasak> ahasenack: I added chdist-if-migrated to https://git.launchpad.net/~racb/+git/tools/ and added a note on how to use it to detect d-i related migration issues also
[14:22] <rbasak> Now it displays exactly what udebs need addressing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SpxDtGKybr/
[14:23] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: dd
[14:23] <ahasenack> nice!
[14:23] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: lol
[14:24] <kanashiro> juliank, doko is this ruby2.7-only transition page live? I am not finding it
[14:25] <juliank> kanashiro: i think ben does not pull new configs very often or something
[14:26] <Laney> it does each time it runs
[14:26] <juliank> Laney: then it does not run very often :)
[14:26] <juliank> Laney: end result is the same :D
[14:29] <Laney> Looks to me like it's running right now
[14:33] <juliank> ack
[15:04] <eoli3n> Hi
[15:05] <eoli3n> i have a strange problem which is hard to explain well
[15:05] <eoli3n> we use ldap auth, and usernames are mail adresses
[15:05] <eoli3n> so we have some mail adresses > 32 chars
[15:06] <eoli3n> its not a problem it works, but in some cases, when i try to log in tty, it just don't asks for password
[15:06] <juliank> why dont you file a bug report?
[15:06] <eoli3n> where ?
[15:06] <juliank> I guess starting with whatever pam  plugin for ldap you use
[15:06] <eoli3n> just to finish : problem is easy to reproduice
[15:06] <juliank> it's ubuntu package in launchpad
[15:07] <eoli3n> juliank: it isn't ldap related
[15:07] <juliank> then against the pam pacakge?
[15:07] <eoli3n> i precise that just to explain how i can have some > 32 usernames
[15:07] <eoli3n> so its maybe pam...
[15:07] <juliank> I mean, you wrote that all days ago already
[15:07] <eoli3n> yep
[15:07] <juliank> and this sounds like a clear bug
[15:08] <eoli3n> but i didn't know what component is involved
[15:08] <juliank> pam is the reasonable starting point for that
[15:08] <juliank> or login
[15:08] <eoli3n> ok, thx juliank
[15:08] <juliank> (login being in shadow)
[15:16] <eoli3n> ok didn't see but i get "checkname failed: Operation not permitted" when i reproduice the bug in /var/log/auth.log
[16:19] <ahasenack> xnox: the "linux" packae has a block proposed tag: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865025
[16:19] <ahasenack> I wonder if that will be worked on this week
[16:27] <xnox> ahasenack:  that's normal process for linux packages.
[16:27] <xnox> ahasenack:  it will be removed, when linux is ready to migrate.
[16:28]  * ahasenack sits tight
[16:28] <xnox> for details you can go to the adt matrix
[16:28] <xnox> https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/adt-matrix/
[16:28] <xnox> from there you can click on the focal-meta one
[16:28] <xnox> https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/adt-matrix/focal-linux-meta.html
[16:29] <xnox> from there you can see that there a few "MISS" => missing tests (because deps changed)
[16:29] <xnox> or regressions, i.e. on the linux package itself
[16:30] <xnox> ahasenack:  but kernel team handles that
[16:30] <ahasenack> thanks
[16:31] <xnox> it is unfortunate like that that most udebs get entangled together.
[16:46] <ali1234> hello. i performed a kernel bisection at the request of an ubuntu developer andnow i have about 30 broken unofficial kernel packages installed
[16:47] <ali1234> how do i remove them and go back to the official kernel?
[16:47] <ali1234> do i have to dpkg remove each one individually?
[16:48] <ali1234> if so how do i tell which ones are not from the repos?
[20:04] <nickgaw> Hi, If I already have bzr installed and the git clone of the debian-installer how without making a branch on launchpad would I check out the ubuntu installer what would I type?
[23:01] <bryce> hey, for retriggering autopkgtests, I have a question on how to automate the sso/2fa process.
[23:01] <bryce> I know the trick to edit the URL, e.g. https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=focal&arch=armhf&package=asciidoctor&trigger=ruby-defaults%2F1%3A2.7%7E0
[23:01] <bryce> and then load that in firefox
[23:02] <bryce> however if we need to requeue, say, all the arch's, then that's N urls to load up.
[23:02] <bryce> I'd like to load the URL in curl or wget or some such, however this requires SSO
[23:03] <bryce> I've been tinkering with retrieving the cookies doing the series of request/response stuff, but haven't gotten it to work end to end yet
[23:04] <bryce> I'm wondering if this is already a figured out process, and/or if anyone knows an existing example of CLI operation against login.ubuntu.com with SSO and 2fa?
[23:07] <bryce> I've been experimenting with usso-login, which seems like it should do it, but no luck.  The docs for it are kind of sketchy, so if anyone's use that I'd be interested in tips/examples.
[23:10] <sarnold> bryce: does this help? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-security-tools/tree/README#n197
[23:11] <sarnold> bryce: it reads the cookie out of firefox, so you've got to be authenticated through that
[23:12] <bryce> sarnold, let me give it a shot
[23:31] <bryce> sarnold, hmm, seems the moz sqlite database tables have changed since this was written
[23:31] <sarnold> bryce: hmm. I wonder which of our tools use this thing, and if they still work :)
[23:31] <bryce> heh
[23:33] <bryce> I found that usso-login is able to perform the 2fa transaction ok, but it stores the data as json rather than as cookie data.


[03:16] <smoser> harlowja, yeah, its not completely straight forward.
[13:33] <pedroalvarez> the example of power_state crashes: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config-power-state.txt
[13:34] <pedroalvarez> the message needs " "
[13:35] <smoser> really?
[13:35] <pedroalvarez> maybe it's the space between "Bye" and "Bye"
[13:37] <smoser> $ python -c 'import yaml, pprint; pprint.pprint(yaml.load("powerstate:\n message: Bye Bye\n"))'
[13:37] <smoser> {'powerstate': {'message': 'Bye Bye'}}
[13:37] <smoser> unless i'm loading it as an array.
[13:38] <pedroalvarez> cc_power_state_change.py[WARNING]: expected string or buffer Not performing power state change!
[13:39] <pedroalvarez> hmmmm
[13:40] <pedroalvarez> I did two changes to make it works. I also changed "delay" to "now"
[13:42] <smoser> pedroalvarez, right. isee that
[13:43] <smoser> funny
[13:43] <smoser> the doc about it is correct
[13:43] <smoser> it needs to be "+30"
[13:45] <pedroalvarez> yes, the doc helped me
[13:54] <smoser> pedroalvarez, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6213844/ that fixes doc and supports the bad example
[13:56] <pedroalvarez> smoser: cool, thanks! :)
[13:56] <pedroalvarez> I'm just trying all the modules to check the integration
[13:56] <pedroalvarez> testing :)
[17:08] <harlowja> smoser yt
[17:10] <smoser> here
[17:36] <harlowja> hey
[17:36] <harlowja> adding a warning message for import failure seems ok?
[17:40] <smoser> yeah, i think so . that would hvae been a smoking gun here.
[17:49] <harlowja> :)
[17:49] <harlowja> k
[17:49] <harlowja> will do boss!
[19:02] <harlowja> vote for me http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016288.html
[19:02] <harlowja> lol
[19:05]  * harlowja this is a paid message (not by joshua harlow)
[19:05] <harlowja> ha
[19:07] <smoser> i am josh harlow and i approve of this message
[19:07] <harlowja> ha
[19:08] <harlowja> if the above gives u a XYZ for longer than 24hours see your doctor
[19:08] <harlowja> lol
[19:08] <harlowja> hmmm, i guess thats a different advertisement, nm
[19:08] <harlowja> ha
[19:26] <harlowja> smoser https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/log-import-fail/+merge/190225
[19:28] <harlowja> * nothing so special :-P


[00:38] <xuco> hi all!
[00:40] <xuco> GPUL is having a conference on audio and video using free/open source tools. They are requesting people submit proposals on talks. The deadline to receive the proposals is June 27th, the notification of acceptance is June 28th. The event itself is to be held in the School of Informatics, Universidade da Coruña between July 12th and July 15, 2010
[00:40] <xuco> more info: http://gpul.org/?q=node/117
[00:53] <gerhard_> Hi there! Can I use multiple audio programs together with alsa, jack and pulseaudio at the same time?#
[00:55] <rlameiro> pulse audio is on the way in there
[00:55] <rlameiro> but there are some plugins for pulse audio
[00:55] <rlameiro> jack-pa sink and source
[00:56] <gerhard_> How to use PulseAudio Jack Sink
[00:56] <rlameiro> you would need to runn qjackctl directly, because if you run it from a menu or by qjakctl it will pause pulse audio
[00:56] <makerprofaze> anyone here using native linux vsts?
[00:56] <rlameiro> so you should run qjackctl.bin
[00:57] <rlameiro> and search for the jack sink and source for pulse audio
[00:57] <rlameiro> on the packages and then run them
[00:57] <rlameiro> the things about pulse and jack arent very friendly for now
[00:57] <rlameiro> maybe on the near future there would be a better solution
 How can I test/figure out that an application connects through  jack-pa sink to jack -> alsa?
[01:00] <gerhard_> Which app does that? last.fm player blocks alsa hw 0:0
[01:00] <rlameiro> when you run the plugin, it will show up on the jack connections
[01:00] <rlameiro> then just connect it where you want
[01:00] <gerhard_> Yes. It does.
[01:00] <rlameiro> but remeber, you should stat qjackctl.bin, not the usual way
[01:01] <gerhard_> But the other applications (not jack aware ones) didn't appear...
[01:01] <rlameiro> well, they all sink to one output
[01:01] <rlameiro> you have no control of it in jack
[01:01] <rlameiro> its like the output of all the pulse audio apps into one stereo stream
[01:02] <rlameiro> i am not actually an expert on that, because i dont use pa at the same time
[01:02] <gerhard_> I thought jack-pa sink is the glue to make them appear in jack
[01:02] <rlameiro> i use only jack when i need pro stuff beeing made
[01:02] <rlameiro> they appear as a stream all together
[01:02] <rlameiro> you don have access to each software from jack
[01:03] <rlameiro> for that they would need to be jack native
[01:03] <gerhard_> ok, that even doesn't work with a jackplug in .asoundrc, isnt it?
[01:03] <rlameiro> i dont know about it
[01:04] <rlameiro> gerhard_: try to ask in #opensourcemusicians
[01:04] <rlameiro> there are people in there trying it
[01:04] <rlameiro> maybe they can help you better then me
[01:05] <holstein> hey makerprofaze :)
[01:05] <holstein> i have not tried native VST's yet
[01:05] <holstein> no my list though
[01:05] <holstein> have you?
[01:05] <gerhard_> Hmm...  I'm also unsure about all this sink alsa jack pulse stuff... I'll try it at  #opensourcemusicians
[01:06] <gerhard_> thank you anyway  <rlameiro>
[01:08] <rlameiro> gerhard_: that is the only way, and AFAIK its not very stable
[01:20] <makerprofaze> holstein: I have one called midiProgramChange that I can't set correctly in energyxt
[01:20] <makerprofaze> I do have a few though. I found a page that had links to lots of em
[01:22] <holstein> cool
[01:22] <holstein> makerprofaze: you can add that to the wiki over at OSM
[01:23] <holstein> if you want
[01:35] <makerprofaze> I'll have to find it again
[01:36] <makerprofaze> http://www.linux-vst.com/
[01:36] <makerprofaze> straight from google
[01:36] <makerprofaze> i looked at each link and combed through kvraudio
[01:37] <makerprofaze> I don't know how to update a wiki
[04:38] <arthur> hi all ive got a queston about wine repos....whats the best one for 10.04? i havent used ubuntu in a while and i used to use wineHQ...
[04:39] <arthur> this PPA thing is new to me...
[04:39]  * arthur RTFM
[04:39] <holstein> hmmm
[04:40]  * holstein not really using wine right now
[04:40] <holstein> i remember just adding one to jaunty
[04:40] <holstein> and having good luck
[04:40] <holstein> just notice what is being added from the PPA
[04:41] <holstein> LIKE if you add a wine PPA, and do sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:41] <holstein> take note
[04:41] <holstein> in case you need to go back
[04:41] <holstein> arthur: you trying to get some VST's working?
[04:42] <holstein> i was just cheking out http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/index.html
[04:42] <holstein> pretty sweet
[04:42] <holstein> stupid easy click-and-run too
[04:42] <arthur> wow nice :)
[04:44] <arthur> using any specific one holstein ?
[04:44] <holstein> OH
[04:44] <holstein> hey ruhtranayr
[04:44] <holstein> :)
[04:44] <ruhtranayr> :) hey
[04:44] <ruhtranayr> hehe
[04:44] <holstein> i just got them all
[04:45] <holstein> and the jack patch bay thing didnt work so great
[04:45] <holstein> BUT
[04:45] <holstein> the verb and comp seem very promising
[04:46] <ruhtranayr> they all look damn sexy too :)
[04:46] <holstein> you can buy the ones that will work with ardour as plugins
[04:46] <holstein> yeah
[04:46] <holstein> :)
[18:31] <arimmer> FONTS: how do I list what fonts are installed in ubuntu?
[18:32] <xuco_> arimmer "locate fonts"
[18:32] <arimmer> xuco_: ty


[11:06] <brendand> shouldn't output from late_command be in /var/log/installer/syslog?
[11:15] <cjwatson> I'd normally expect so, yes
[11:48] <xnox> cjwatson: i've merged all the fixed into ubiquity for precise point release that I want to go in. Included sources are refreshed (gained grub-installer 1.68ubuntu5.3). Are there any translation updates needed or is it good to upload?
[11:48] <xnox> (bdmurray's fix is included)
[11:54] <cjwatson> good question, how about I go and run an export
[11:57] <brendand> cjwatson, does anything in the log give a hint as to where the late_command started to run?
[11:59] <cjwatson> "07preseed"
[12:12] <fish_> hrm, #ubuntu-boot is pretty empty..
[12:23] <xnox> i wonder if it should be closed, and people get auto-redirected here.
[13:55] <xnox> do our installers pull udebs from -security & -updates by default?
[14:00] <cjwatson> yes
[14:16] <xnox> ok.
[14:23] <cjwatson> xnox: I've committed those translation updates


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