[07:58] <premier_> man, trick of the eyes
[07:58] <deus17> thats all?
[07:58] <c0nv1ct> deus17: use wine or some other windows emulator
[07:58] <nonuda_> stdin, yup
[07:59] <stdin> c0nv1ct: wine is not a windows emulator
[07:59] <NightBird> deus17: yeah... there are other variants of the windows api, some focus on games over general improvements
[07:59] <premier_> c0nv1ct: what other windows emulators are there, besides wine derivatives
[07:59] <deathnote> ooooooooo thanks stdin
[07:59] <NightBird> but wine is the base for many of those
[07:59] <premier_> "compatablity layer"
[08:00] <nonuda_> its must be the grub boot disk...how to check it?
[08:00] <c0nv1ct> there is Cedega, and Crossover
[08:00] <Hasrat_USA> I typed grep python but it showed no result. why?
[08:00] <premier_> so, does anyone know about my swap file problem?
[08:00] <NightBird> wine is not an emulator << yeay for recursive acronyms
[08:00] <NightBird> c0nv1ct: both are based on wine
[08:00] <c0nv1ct> true
[08:00] <c0nv1ct> but Cedega goes a bit further, at a price
[08:01] <NightBird> they just have more specific focuses rather than general use
[08:01] <stdin> nonuda_: let me check
[08:01] <c0nv1ct> though Crossover is going more gaming, dunno how good it is though
 deathnote: egrep '(abc|xyz)' filename <-- can i have  abc AND xyz instead of abc OR xyz ?
[08:01] <premier_> swap file is more or less equivalent to virtual memory in windows, right?
[08:01] <NightBird> premier_: you mean the swap partition?
[08:02] <premier_> oh, yeah duh
[08:02] <premier_> swap file= windows.  I just noobed myself
[08:02] <NightBird> c0nv1ct: of course, everyone complains about not being able to play windows games on linux/macs... so there is a demand for getting those to work :P
[08:02] <NightBird> premier_: yes, the swap is used for virtual memory
[08:02] <stdin> deathnote: there is probably a better way than this, but you can do "grep abc filename|grep xyz"
[08:02] <premier_> NightBird: do you have any idea why linux my not be recognizing my swap?
[08:02] <c0nv1ct> NightBird: exactly, i have a $300 Logitech G25 sitting here wanting to be used
[08:02] <NightBird> premier_: if the partition got overwritten for some reason..
[08:03] <Bearcat> stdin: i got it!! Thankx
[08:03] <premier_> NightBird: it shouldnt have been
[08:03] <stdin> Bearcat: :)
[08:03] <NightBird> premier_: then also check to see if it's being mounted as swap
[08:03] <premier_> NightBird: should a swap partition show up in df -h?
[08:03] <c0nv1ct> so if you dont call wine a windows emulator, what do you call it? a windows APi implementation?
[08:03] <NightBird> if the fstab isn't setup to mount it as swap, it won't use it
[08:03] <intelikey> anyone have a /dev/js0  ?
[08:03] <NightBird> premier_: dunno..
[08:03] <premier_> c0nv1ct: "compatibility layer"
[08:03] <NightBird> premier_: my laptop is currently in Windows..
[08:04] <intelikey> premier_ no swap doesn't show in df
[08:04] <intelikey> premier_ free will show swap stats
[08:04] <NightBird> premier_: I do know it should be in the file that shows what to mount on startup
[08:04] <intelikey> called   /etc/fstab
[08:04] <premier_> Swap:            0          0          0
[08:05] <premier_> epic fail
[08:05] <intelikey> swapon
[08:05] <intelikey> if you want it turned on.
[08:06] <premier_> intelikey: will that carry over on the next reboot?
[08:06] <intelikey> premier_ no.  as NightBird said add an entry in /etc/fstab
[08:07] <intelikey>  /dev/<device>  none swap swap 0 0         iirc
[08:08] <intelikey> where <device> is the device node of your swap partition   (assuming a partition)
[08:08] <intelikey> could be a file.
[08:08] <deus17> does wine make a small windows map on C:
[08:08] <deus17> ?
[08:08] <veganri> hi, somehow my grub windows startup got messed up, can anyone help
[08:08] <veganri> where should i paste what it says, i dont want to spam the room
[08:09] <nonuda_> !pastebin
[08:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:09] <intelikey> deus17 wine gennelly uses ~/.wine/C:/   or  /var/lib/wine/C:    i think...
[08:09] <veganri> thank you, will get it to you in a minute
[08:09] <deus17> okey ... :)
[08:10] <deus17> thanks for all help.. now ill run to work.
[08:10] <deus17> cya guys
[08:10] <deathnote> is windows vista stable?
[08:10] <deus17> haha no way!
[08:10] <veganri> no death
[08:10] <deathnote> i going to buy a laptop but it comes with vista only...
[08:10] <veganri> give it a year or so
[08:10] <premier_> intelikey: no, I change the /dev/sda4 line in /etc/fstab to none swap swap 00 iirc?
[08:10] <deus17> windows vista is no good idea.. i only heard crap about it, i only read crap about it.. and bill gates still smile! :)
[08:10] <nonuda_> stdin?
[08:10] <deathnote> but i rather opt for kubuntu or something..haha
[08:11] <c0nv1ct> deus17: ~/.wine/drive_c
[08:11] <c0nv1ct> in ubuntu
[08:11] <deus17> thx
[08:11] <deus17> cya
[08:11] <intelikey> premier_ grep swap /etc/fstab
[08:11] <intelikey> premier_ and not "00" but "0 0"
[08:11] <premier_> deathnote: somebody in australia was able to get a refund when they uninstalled windows from their computer
[08:12] <veganri> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9197/
[08:12] <Hasrat_USA> premier_: old news
[08:12] <premier_> UUID=07fcf7d7-4b46-4192-926c-1ca325b9c9fd none            swap    sw              0       0
[08:12] <veganri> that is what it says when i try to boot windows from grub
[08:12] <deathnote> premier_: i've recently bought an acer laptop (half a year ago) but i don't really use the windows xp.. they don't give me the cd too..its in one of the service partition
[08:13] <veganri> my laptop is acer too
[08:13] <stdin> nonuda_: did you use the same disk for TomsRtBt and grub?
[08:13] <deathnote> premier_: i removed the service partition and unsintall windows to use kubuntu..
[08:13] <nonuda_> no..i used different floppy
[08:13] <veganri> heheh nb
[08:13] <Hasrat_USA> they would give you a refund (they are bound to) if you can prove, in real world, that you didn't use it and pressed cancel when the EULA came up on the screen
[08:13] <nonuda_> TomsRtBt boots well
[08:14] <NightBird> took me about two weeks to get things mostly working
[08:14] <deathnote> and i'm trying to get acer to give me the windows xp's CD..but they ask me to go to their service center and FORMAT the whole harddisk with their original setup (with the stupid service partition in)
[08:14] <deathnote> crazy
[08:14] <m0ns00n> Hey
[08:14] <veganri> the acer works generally well
[08:14] <m0ns00n> Is it possible to have both amarok and firefox with flashplugin making sound at the same time?
[08:14] <NightBird> m0ns00n, depends on which audio system you're using
[08:14] <deathnote> Hasrat_USA: do i write to the manufacturer or microsoft ?
[08:14] <intelikey> veganri line 4  should be a comment    prepend #
[08:14] <stdin> nonuda_: try making the grub disk again
[08:14] <Hasrat_USA> same with dell deathnote. When i bought the laptop from them, the installation CD for the OS didn't come with it, nor did i ask them to give me one. but when i bought a desktop, it came with driver and OS reinstallation CDs
[08:15] <m0ns00n> NightBird: 1. How can I set that up for flash, 2. Does Kubuntu run many alternatives?
[08:15] <chavo> m0ns00n, is it flash 9?
[08:15] <deathnote> Hasrat_USA: do u manage to get a refund or something for your dell laptop?
[08:15] <NightBird> m0ns00n: Kubuntu runs ALSA and OSS(though, I'm guessing it's actually a wrapper around the ALSA library)
[08:15] <NightBird> and I think alsa supports multiple audio streams...
[08:15] <nonuda_> stdin, have tried that, but still not work...i mount the disk and i can see /boot/grub directory and stage1 and stage2 file
[08:15] <Hasrat_USA> writing to MS would result in them telling you to contact your OEM/manufacturer. Yes, your PC's manufacturer would give you the refund
[08:16] <veganri> i'll try that inkey
[08:16] <intelikey> veganri oh wait.  that asn't from the menu.lst was it...    hmmm
[08:16] <premier_> intelikey: If I change my fstab file, and I make a mistake, what will happen?  Will it fail to boot?
[08:16] <veganri> no, that was the error message after i clicked the windows in boot
[08:16] <intelikey> veganri  that's what it said at boot time....     hmmm
[08:16] <Hasrat_USA> deathnote nope in both cases as i never claimed for a refund.
[08:16] <Hasrat_USA> it is because i had already pressed accept
[08:17] <stdin> nonuda_: did you do the grub part too, when you use "sudo -s" and "grub" ?
[08:17] <veganri> i wonder if autoexec or config.sys might be damaged, but that is just one guess
[08:17] <deathnote> Hasrat_USA: did u attempt to get the windows installation CD for the laptop?
[08:17] <Hasrat_USA> i came to know about ubuntu 3 weeks ago
[08:17] <intelikey> veganri the partition type  looks odd   0xc   ?
[08:17] <veganri> i dont know enough to answer that inkey
[08:17] <veganri> it might be trying to boot the wrong one ?
[08:17] <intelikey> veganri no it's a read error  not a file error  best i can tell
[08:17] <Hasrat_USA> deathnote no but they (dell) made a different partition of 2 GB on my HDD and copied the CD along with drivers onto it
[08:18] <nonuda_> stdin, do the grub part too? don't know what u mean, but i use sudo -s before mk2fs
[08:18] <NightBird> deathnote: you a fan of the anime/manga by the same name as your nick?
[08:18] <Hasrat_USA> by the way can anyone tell me some names of movies related to hacking, cracking BSh)@$*ng etc that i haven't watched yet but should watch?
[08:19] <deathnote> NightBird: not really a fan..but i like that anime (in movie)
[08:19] <intelikey> looks like 0xc may be   0C   in which case fat32
[08:19] <NightBird> Hasrat_USA: hackers?
[08:19] <stdin> nonuda_: step 4 on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy
[08:19] <NightBird> deathnote: ah...
[08:19] <veganri> wargames is a neat hacking movie
[08:19] <userund> I <3 wargames
[08:19] <veganri> interesting ink
[08:20] <deathnote> NightBird: watch the movie ..its nice
[08:20] <m0ns00n> NightBird: The oss in Kubuntu is a wrapper.
[08:20] <veganri> shall we play a game
[08:20] <m0ns00n> NightBird: But still I only can have one sound source with most apps, and they will claim the dsp
[08:20] <userund> how about a nice game of chess?
[08:20] <NightBird> deathnote: really, I heard that it was pretty bad, with bad acting and what not
[08:20] <Hasrat_USA> that's the dumbest movie i ever saw. the kid (hero) sucks to death and doesn't know crap about acting lol. and the whole movie is funny and hilarious but it's a total waste of time and money
[08:20] <NightBird> (at least from my japanese suiet mate... I've downloaded the movie, but I haven't watched it...)
[08:21] <intelikey> veganri dosfsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:21] <userund> Hasrat_USA, there's hackers 2
[08:21] <userund> about kevin mitnick
[08:21] <NightBird> userund: jees, they made a sequel?
[08:21] <nonuda_> stdin, nup..i missed that one sorry...i do it now
[08:21] <Hasrat_USA> you guys remember that dialog when in the movie 'hackers' they breach into the system and the villain says "run an antivirus, give me a system display" lol
[08:22] <userund> NightBird, not exactly a 'sequel' because the storylines are totally different, basically living off the original's name
[08:22] <intelikey> veganri or venella    fsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:22] <veganri> pasting the results
[08:22] <NightBird> userund: jeez.... they should have renamed it.... hackers didn't do too well, did it?
[08:22] <Hasrat_USA> userund: you're talking about hackers 2 operational takedown (on kevin mitnick)?
[08:22] <veganri> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9198/
[08:22] <nonuda_> done..
[08:22] <userund> NightBird, they kinda did rename it, Hackers 2: Takedown http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159784/
[08:22] <veganri> which movie was angelina in
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> i have watched wargames. now this is a movie that at least teaches something!
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> veganri: hackers
[08:23] <veganri> oh cool
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> the worst piece of crap ever!
[08:23] <veganri> she looked good in that movie
[08:23] <veganri> lol
[08:23] <Hasrat_USA> i only liked the scene where the hero was fiddling around with some unix books. only that part was real lol
[08:24] <deathnote> do u watch bleach?
[08:24] <intelikey> veganri   may i sujest you      man dosfsck     and make sure that  -n  means don't change anything only check.   and run that as root.   "sudo"
[08:24] <userund> Hasrat_USA, there's also Revolution OS, a story about the hackers behind GNU and Linux
[08:24] <nonuda_> stdin, ok now it boot from grub disk
[08:24] <NightBird> deathnote: nah, I stoped after they left the manga storyline... I've been reading the manga however
[08:24] <Hasrat_USA> i got revolution OS too. downloaded it from google video lo
[08:24] <Hasrat_USA> lol
[08:24] <[StingRay] > Hi all, can somebody tell if I can benchmark somehow my CPU or system?
[08:24] <veganri> pretend i dont know anything about programming linux, because i dont
[08:24] <Hasrat_USA> another one i liked seriously was the code linux
[08:25] <stdin> nonuda_: do you know what to do now?
[08:25] <intelikey> veganri and sorry i don't have any man pages yet installed.   or i would have checked for you.
[08:25] <veganri> big thing just came up
[08:25] <Hasrat_USA> i got all the videos of richard stallman that you can find in google video
[08:25] <userund> Hasrat_USA, ah, hadn't heard of that one
[08:26] <Hasrat_USA> userund: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498228245415745977
[08:26] <intelikey> veganri in the "less" pager use the arrow keys to navagate    and   [q]    to exit when you finish.
[08:26] <Hasrat_USA> after u go there, click on download for windows/mac
[08:26] <userund> Hasrat_USA, thanks
[08:26] <veganri> says reformatting dosfsck (8), please wait
[08:26] <nonuda_> stdin, ok i know i should type the command line according to my directory of  vmlinuz and kernel right?
[08:27] <veganri> that doesnt sound good
[08:27] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah
[08:27] <intelikey> yeah but it should be done by now.
[08:27] <Hasrat_USA> an hour long documentary on linux...featuring linux torvald, the god of GNU/Linux stallman and hacker steve raymond
[08:27] <intelikey> veganri you did run that in a konsole ?
[08:28] <veganri> in the terminal
[08:28] <intelikey> yes
[08:28] <dave_> hey would somone be able to give  me a hand?
[08:28] <veganri> yes, not all of it
[08:28] <veganri> is it ok to reset the terminal
[08:28] <premier_> How do I use swapon?
[08:28] <userund> sudo swapon /dev/[device]
[08:29] <intelikey> sure
[08:30] <deathnote> is feisty herd released yet?
[08:30] <dave_> umm i really want to install synaptic i think its called only becasue i know how to use it a tade better then adept maneger
[08:30] <stdin> deathnote: which one?
[08:30] <deathnote> i think is 3.. i couldn't find in the download page of kubuntu
[08:30] <Hasrat_USA> death it would be released on april 7th
[08:30] <stdin> dave_: you can use adept to install synaptic
[08:30] <deathnote> i need a fix for the screensaver that comes out to be "X" everytime
[08:30] <stdin> deathnote: herd 5 is out now
[08:31] <Hasrat_USA> i have set my cellphone to notify me so that i can just celebrate the day, although i wouldn't upgrade my current OS though :P
[08:31] <dave_> isnt there some sort if source that i have to change then use terminal to run it , sorry i am only new at this?>
[08:31] <premier_> deathnote: yeah, I want to fix that too.  Whats the deal with that?
[08:31] <Hasrat_USA> my edgy eft with beryl and everything would run for the next 10 years
[08:31] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin, how are you? :)
[08:31] <stdin> dave_: no, you just install it, the run it from the Kmenu
[08:31] <Joshooa> Could someone talk with me and give me advice about installing Windows on my main 40GB and Kubuntu on my 200GB? I want to do some partitions and stuff and not sure how to do it
[08:31] <stdin> [StingRay] : hi, not too bad :P you?
[08:32] <Joshooa> at least not sure if I'm sure
[08:32] <intelikey> veganri i have installed mandb and the manpages  and have checked it is  -n that you want.     sudo dosfsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:32] <NixHex> we hope april 7th...they could postpone if they need to
[08:32] <veganri> so i just type this:  sudo dosfsck -n /dev/hda2
[08:32] <frit> some of you are playing at something ? if yes , which games ? :)
[08:32] <intelikey> yep
[08:32] <deathnote> premier_: if u asking me how to deal with it..i think the feisty might have a fix already..
[08:32] <veganri> cool
[08:32] <nonuda_> stdin, it said cannot mount selected partition, i put kubuntu in c:\kubuntu and vmlinuz initrd are in c:\kubuntu\casper
[08:32] <dave_> ahh ok thanks illgive i a try and let you know if i get into trouble again  cheers
[08:33] <stdin> nonuda_: not c:\...
[08:33] <deathnote> Joshooa: same harddisk?
[08:33] <[StingRay] > Haven't seen you from a long time here...I am fine. I was having really bad time with GS and dapper. I managed to overcome the problem, but I think someone should release an official package.
[08:33] <stdin> nonuda_: like /kubuntu/vmlinuz
[08:33] <intelikey> that will examine the fs on the partition you were trying to boot and report any errors it finds   but because of -n it wont do anything to the fs.  veganri
[08:33] <Joshooa> deathnote: No, 40GB HD and a 200GB, I want windows on the 40GB, 10 for Windows, 30 for Windows stuff I don't need in Linux
[08:33] <[StingRay] > gs-esp 8.15.2 is broken, stdin
[08:33] <intelikey> veganri   so watch what it says.   that the information you want.
[08:34] <Joshooa> deathnote: Mainly with the 200GB, what's with making a root partition and a home partition?
[08:34] <veganri> it seems the hd is still going
[08:34] <intelikey> give it time.
[08:34] <Hasrat_USA> if they postpone it that would be for the betterment of the release i believe
[08:34] <Joshooa> deathnote: And should I pre-partition my drives, or partition my 40 when I install windows, and then my 200 when I install Kubuntu?
[08:34] <veganri> : ]
[08:34] <stdin> [StingRay] : is that edgy? I'm running 8.15.3.dfsg.1-2ubuntu3 here
[08:35] <intelikey> veganri  that's simular to running  'chkdsk.exe'    or the old 'scandisk.exe'
[08:35] <deathnote> Joshooa: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure
[08:35] <stdin> [StingRay] : (on feisty)
[08:35] <[StingRay] > nope, stdin:  Haven't seen you from a long time here...I am fine. I was having really bad time with GS and dapper. I managed to overcome the problem, but I think someone should release an official package.
[08:35] <nonuda_> stdin, first i type root (hd0,0) then kernel /kubuntu/casper/vmlinuz append vga=normal initrd=/kubuntu/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=16384 root=/dev/rd/0 rw --
[08:35] <Joshooa> ok
[08:35] <deathnote> Joshooa: u see everything under the directory structure except /home is the root partition
[08:35] <veganri> good to know ikey
[08:35] <deathnote> Joshooa: /home is home partition ..
[08:35] <[StingRay] > dapper, stdin I just reposted, because I did not include your nick
[08:36] <stdin> nonuda_: not all on one line tho
[08:36] <NixHex> never realized how much Linus Torvalds looks like my brother...
[08:36] <deathnote> Joshooa: normally i would use about 5.5gb for / (root partition)
[08:36] <veganri> i feel very lost in linux, have not learned a new os since 1993
[08:36] <Joshooa> deathnote: So.... is that sorta like Linux install, then my stuff? Cause right now I just have everything on a small 8GB partition from the 40
[08:36] <deathnote> Joshooa: and the rest of the space for /home  , not forgetting swap partition
[08:36] <stdin> [StingRay] : I recently started a new job. so I haven't had as much time to be here as I used to, but I'm more used to the hours now
[08:37] <deathnote> Joshooa: is ur windows on the 8gb partition ?
[08:37] <Joshooa> deathnote: No
[08:37] <nonuda_> stdin do you mean i must type all in one line command?
[08:37] <intelikey> veganri  first thing i always tell people is " forget everything you think you know about computers, you have to start from scratch just like the rest of us.  if you have this 'i should know this' attatude it only makes it harder on you"
[08:37] <Joshooa> deathnote: I have my 40GB cut up into an 8 and 30, about, Windows on the 30, linux on the 8
[08:37] <veganri> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9199/
[08:38] <Joshooa> deathnote: Then everything else I have, install files for windows, pics, music, movies, CD images, on the 200
[08:38] <veganri> good way to look at it
[08:38] <deathnote> deathnote: u want windows and linux to share the 200 ????
[08:39] <stdin> nonuda_: no, 1st you type "root (hd0,0)" then press enter, then the kernel ... line etc
[08:39] <NixHex> ok, watching streaming video on wireless internet...don't work
[08:39] <Joshooa> deathnote: No, windows on the 40, Linux and shared NTFS on the 200
[08:39] <[StingRay] > stdin, First I was having problems with some fonts when printing, only the first 50% were printed of each character. This was fixed when I downgraded to gs-esp 7.07. I have 7 pcs of Minolta 1400W and all of them refused to print second page until I installed gs 8.54 gpl from source
[08:40] <Joshooa> deathnote: Cause with the 200, I'll have swap, root I guess, home, shared music/movies, and then another one for Documents and Pictures ie Personal Files
[08:40] <intelikey> veganri  that error is simular to the old  file allocation tables mismatch   if you try to fix it you will probably loose data.   i sujest you use a windows recovery disk.   but that's as far as i go with windows help.   there is a  ##windows   help channel if you need info.
[08:40] <intelikey> i think it two ##   may be one #  ...
[08:40] <veganri> ty
[08:40] <intelikey> np.
[08:40] <veganri> is there a windows linux help channel
[08:41] <nonuda_> stdin, thats what i have done, but for the 2nd command line it said cannot mount selected partition
[08:41] <deathnote> Joshooa: ok i get it..
[08:41] <stdin> [StingRay] : I haven't actually needed to print anyting in a while, so I'm not sure if the problem is still in 8.15.3
[08:41] <[StingRay] > stdin, congrats on you new work.
[08:41] <stdin> [StingRay] : thanks :)
[08:41] <[StingRay] > I tried edgy, same problem, stdin
[08:41] <intelikey> there is   ##windows    and  ##linux   and   ##linuxhelp   all here on frenode.net
[08:42] <veganri> cool
[08:42] <Pyros666> -
[08:42] <Joshooa> deathnote: Good, cause I don't really, not sure how to install to a root and home partition, or how much room I should make for Kubuntu or anything, I feel confident getting the 40GB set up, but then to install Kubuntu right, I'm not quite sure
[08:42] <deathnote> Joshooa: 1st harddisk = first partition 5.5gb ext3 for / (root partition)     2nd partition 34.5gb for windows)
[08:42] <stdin> [StingRay] : I'm on feisty, so it may have been fixes since, but I don't know
[08:42] <veganri> thank you again, i guess i'll just be watching here quietly
[08:42] <intelikey> welcome.
[08:42] <[StingRay] > stdin, I can you advise of a method to benchmark my system with different kernels?
[08:42] <Joshooa> deathnote: Why the root on the 40 not 200/
[08:42] <stdin> nonuda_: 1 sec, I'll have a look at something
[08:43] <deathnote> Joshooa: because root contains the kernel and stuffs which takes very little space..and it can help u dual boot to windows too if its on the first partition.. correct me if i'm wrong
[08:43] <kraut> moin
[08:43] <deathnote> Joshooa: /home contains all the misc stuffs like movies mp3s docs etc
[08:43] <Joshooa> deathnote: Not sure, I was told I could install Kubuntu on my 200 (D:) drive and Grub would still ask if I want to dual boot
[08:43] <intelikey> anyone have a /dev/js0  standard gameport device ?     i would like the output of  ls -l  /dev/js0   please
[08:44] <[StingRay] > stdin, cupsys 1.2.8 is great (it has a bug fix due to my post http://forums.freestandards.org/read.php?27,229 ). I will move to feisty, once it is stable.
[08:44] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well the movies and mp3 I want on a shared NTFS partition, so windows and LInux can see them, as well as other computers on my network, all using Windows
[08:44] <deathnote> Joshooa: u can have /home on the 200gb .. but / (root) should be at the first partition of 40gb..
 arrgg still not working :(
[08:45] <deathnote> Joshooa: but u must allocate some space for /home too..ext3 filesystem
[08:45] <intelikey> Joshooa i have linux installed on sda  and  hda is the boot device.   the boot loader doesn't really care where the system is as long as it can read it.
[08:45] <Joshooa> deathnote: But that will make installing windows on it harder for me, cause I'm not sure how to partition all my space for windows and kubuntu at  o nce
[08:45] <stdin> nonuda_: change "root=/dev/rd/0" to "root=/dev/ram"
[08:45] <intelikey> dave_ what's that ?
[08:45] <nonuda_> ok
[08:45] <Joshooa> intelikey: and sda means?
[08:45] <dave_> my mp3 i suck so much at this os
[08:45] <intelikey> scsi first device in this case.
[08:46] <dave_> i cant get anything to play
[08:46] <nonuda_> still it said cannot mount selected partition
[08:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: All I know is my usb key is sda1 here
[08:46] <stdin> nonuda_: you may also need to add "ramdisk_size=1048576" before the "root=/dev/ram" part
[08:46] <intelikey> dave_ ah mp3's   did you go to the wiki page on that ?
[08:46] <intelikey> !mp3 | dave_
[08:46] <ubotu> dave_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:46] <deathnote> stdin: grub / lilo should be on the first partition of the first harddisk (or boot device) right?
[08:46] <nonuda_> stdin, still the same
[08:46] <dave_> hmm ill have a read
[08:46] <premier_> how can I upgrade to ked 3.5.6?
[08:47] <stdin> deathnote: default is to have it in the MBR
[08:47] <premier_> kde 3.5.6?
[08:47] <stdin> !kde | premier_
[08:47] <ubotu> premier_: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[08:47] <intelikey> Joshooa yes usb uses the scsi interface
[08:47] <intelikey> Joshooa so does sata
[08:47] <deathnote> is master boot record on the first partition?
[08:47] <Joshooa> intelikey: oh ok
[08:47] <stdin> deathnote: no, of the disk
[08:47] <stdin> deathnote: it's before the 1st partition
[08:48] <intelikey> deathnote no it's not on a partition  it's the first 512 bytes of the disk.
[08:48] <intelikey> MBR
[08:48] <deathnote> so grub is located there?
[08:48] <intelikey> yes the executabe part
[08:49] <_4strO> yop
[08:49] <intelikey> or should be, if you want grub to be the primary boot loader
[08:49] <stdin> nonuda_: try "kernel /kubuntu/casper/vmlinuz append boot=casper initrd=/kubuntu/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash --"
[08:50] <deathnote> intelikey: is there a way to see what's in my MBR ?
[08:50] <nonuda_> ok
[08:50] <deathnote> or modify it
[08:50] <intelikey> it is possable to copy the mbr from one disk to another...  generally such actions should be done by professenals or people who don't care about their data...
[08:50] <deathnote> does it mean /boot/grub is in MBR??
[08:51] <intelikey> deathnote dd if=/dev/hda count=1 | less
[08:51] <intelikey> deathnote no /boot* is on a partition
[08:52] <nonuda_> still canot unmount the selected partition
[08:52] <intelikey> and that assumed hda ^  could be sda
[08:52] <nonuda_> i mean mount
[08:52] <intelikey> nonuda_ what partition ?
[08:52] <intelikey> nonuda_ what specifics ?
[08:52] <nonuda_> ntfs
[08:53] <premier_> should adept show "kde" as not being installed?
[08:53] <premier_> Im using kde 3.5.5
[08:53] <premier_> what will happen if I have adept install kde?////
[08:53] <[StingRay] > stdin, can you tell me the configure options for cups and dapper. I tried to install 1.2.8 on dapper, but it still shows 1.2.2
[08:53] <deathnote> ok, so default when we install kubuntu, grub is written onto MBR, so that means there is no need for / partition to be on the first partition?
[08:53] <Joshooa> deathnote: Are you getting my messages back? It's telling my I'm unregistered and blocked
[08:53] <stdin> premier_: "kde" is a meta package, it isn't actually kde, kubuntu uses "kubuntu-desktop"
[08:53] <intelikey> nonuda_ ok that the fs type.   now where is it ?   /dev/hda1 maybe ?       and where do you want to mount it ?
[08:54] <premier_> stdin: I couldnt find kubuntu-desktop in adept
[08:54] <deathnote> Joshooa: no message back.. u shd /msg nickserv register xyz
[08:54] <britt> I'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages
[08:54] <intelikey> deathnote correct.
[08:54] <britt> what gives?
[08:54] <Joshooa> deathnote: I am registered though
[08:54] <Joshooa> deathnote: And I can't talk to nickserv when I am on Kopete
[08:54] <deathnote> Joshooa: /msg nickserv identify password ?
[08:54] <stdin> premier_: it's there, unless you're not using kubuntu
[08:54] <nonuda_> intelikey, i was try to boot my laptop using grub..according to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies
[08:55] <intelikey> nonuda_ ah in grub ?
[08:55] <premier_> stdin: I cant get it to update to kde3.5.6.  It thinks that kubuntu desktop is the newest version
[08:55] <deathnote> by default when we first install windows, a boot loader is installed on MBR too right?
[08:55] <Joshooa> deathnote: I can''t it just opens a blank chat window with myself
[08:55] <nonuda_> yup
[08:55] <stdin> intelikey: btw, that page is way out-of-date
[08:55] <intelikey> stdin grub may be too...
[08:55] <britt> I'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages
[08:56] <stdin> premier_: are you on edgy?
[08:56] <deathnote> Joshooa: ok i guess what u have to do is allocate some space for / partition and some space for /home partition
[08:56] <premier_> stdin: yeah
[08:56] <stdin> premier_: read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[08:56] <deathnote> Joshooa: it will be easier if u install windows first, and then install kubuntu (if u want grub to be the boot loader)
[08:56] <nonuda_> stdin, any more idea?
[08:56] <deathnote> !identify
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <Joshooa> deathnote: I do, but then does that mean in the windows install, I have to delete my partitions, make 1 5.5GB raw one, then install windows to the other part, and then when I install Kubuntu, select that 5.5 as raw and make a new partition in the 200 for home?  And how big should home be?
[08:57] <stdin> nonuda_: what happens when you type "root (<tab><tab>" where <tab> is the actual tab key ?
[08:58] <nonuda_> it said "Posible commands are : root rootnoverify"
[08:58] <britt> I'm trying to run the 64-bit version of Kubuntu with my brand new Fx-60 and it runs like a old dog after I install any NVIDIA packages
[08:58] <deathnote> Joshooa: yes.. during windows install u can allocate eg: 30gb for your ntfs windows system to install on
[08:58] <intelikey> nonuda_ ok tell me what you have got there and i'll see what i cna come up with.   you are at the grub prompt of a boot floppy now ?
[08:58] <stdin> nonuda_: did you put a space then a ( after root ?
[08:58] <deathnote> Joshooa: and during kubuntu installation u can setup the raw 5.5 partition for / and.. /home on the 200gb..how big it should be..depends
[08:59] <deathnote> Joshooa: 10gb should be more than enough..depends..
[08:59] <nonuda_> i'm at the grub prompt i just type root (hd0,0)
[08:59] <intelikey> stdin he should be able to "find vmlinuz*"  no ?
[09:00] <Joshooa> deathnote: cause I have a lot available, from what i saw, I want at least 100GB for my music and movies and TV shows, and with 20GB just for my personal documents, that still leaves me with 80GB for home
[09:00] <nonuda_> enter then the kernel command line just like u said
[09:00] <Joshooa> roughly speaking
[09:01] <stdin> intelikey: should be able to, yeah
[09:01] <Joshooa> deathnote: I don't know if 10GB is enough though, cause I was download stuff with Torrents, and with 4 shows and a Kubuntu DVD image, my disk was full
[09:01] <[StingRay] > Can somebody help me ./configure cups 1.2.8?
[09:01] <nonuda_> stdin, i think the problem is the grub can't mount hd0,0
[09:02] <nonuda_> hd0,0 is my c drive in windows rigght?
[09:02] <deathnote> Joshooa: where do u use to download music and movies? kubuntu or windows?
[09:02] <Joshooa> I also don't get why I can message ubout just fine
[09:02] <unholyskorn> im updating a program and i need help
[09:02] <unholyskorn> it tries to update, and it shows some messages that i dont know how to fix
[09:02] <Joshooa> deathnote: Windows, but I only started using Kubuntu this week
[09:02] <deathnote> Joshooa: oh.. in that case u allocate more for /home then.. :>
[09:02] <intelikey> stdin when i asked him what he was doing i didn't notice you were helping him... i'm not trying to "but in"    just mentioned the find command.  i'll let you help him.
[09:02] <unholyskorn> can someone PM me please
[09:02] <deathnote> !ntfs
[09:02] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:02] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah, what about if you type "kernel /<tab>" ?
[09:03] <nonuda_> ok try it now
[09:03] <Joshooa> deathnote: Okay, so 80GB for home wouldn't be too much would it? Because home is also where installed programs would be, right?
[09:03] <deathnote> Joshooa: to write into ntfs from linux, u need some other stuffs
[09:03] <stdin> intelikey: don't worry, any help you can give will be great, it's getting frustrating
[09:03] <deathnote> Joshooa: no installed programs will be in / partition
[09:03] <deathnote> am i right?
[09:03] <Joshooa> deathnote: I'm doing it right now, taking stuff from my 200GB, and copying them over the network to a shared folder on my room mates NTFS windows hard drive
[09:03] <nonuda_> nothing happen just grub>kernel
[09:04] <intelikey> stdin i'll try to follow what the two of you do and if i see anything i'll mention it.
[09:04] <Joshooa> deathnote: Then wouldn't I want a lot more than 5.5GB free then?
[09:04] <stdin> nonuda_: and if you press tab again?
[09:04] <deathnote> intelikey: installed programs will be in / partition right?
[09:04] <nonuda_> oh no....it said " Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist"
[09:04] <intelikey> deathnote yes   /usr  mostly
[09:05] <stdin> nonuda_: oh, ok, type "kernal /" then tab
[09:05] <deathnote> intelikey: will 5.5gb be enough? for me..it never exceed before after installing so many applciations..
[09:05] <intelikey> unholyskorn ok stop no.
[09:05] <deathnote> unless u using it as a web server then can make /var in another partition
[09:05] <nonuda_> kernal?? not kernel?
[09:05] <intelikey> now.
[09:05] <unholyskorn> why are you being such a fucking dick
[09:05] <unholyskorn> the reason why i wanted someone to pm me was because i didnt want to spam the channel with the error messages
[09:05] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well like right now, I only have 8GB set aside for Kubuntu, and also some swap but I forgot how bug, and I have root and home on it, and it was full just now cause I had one DVD image on my desktop
[09:05] <nonuda_> kernal --> nothing happen
[09:06] <deathnote> Joshooa: /dev/hda1             5.5G  3.3G  2.0G  63% / (this is my / partition for over 3-4 months)
[09:06] <intelikey> deathnote should be yes.  only reason it might get that high is not clearing the apt cache
[09:06] <stdin> nonuda_: no, I meant type "kernel /" then tab, not kernal :P
[09:06] <nonuda_> oh ok
[09:06] <deathnote> !! haha
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about haha - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <intelikey> !pastebin | unholyskorn
[09:06] <ubotu> unholyskorn: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:06] <Hasrat_USA> i need to find a bug in ubuntu or else im gonna get bored to death :(
[09:06] <Joshooa> intelikey: But what about downloading stuff and installing a lot of programs, wouldn't that end up to more than 5.5GB?
[09:06] <deathnote> Joshooa: how much ram do u have?
[09:06] <nonuda_> stdin, it said "error 17: Cannot mount selected partition"
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: 640MB, why?
[09:07] <deathnote> Joshooa: i suggest ram x 2 = swap partition
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: I'll up it to 2GB when I get the money
[09:07] <deathnote> that's what i heard
[09:07] <unholyskorn> thanks for explaining that ubotu instead of just being a dick
[09:07] <stdin> nonuda_: ahh, that's the problem then, seems grub can't read ntfs
[09:07] <deathnote> intelikey: any suggestion on how big swap partition should be?
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yeah, I'm just going to do 2GB, cause, well I have 200 I can use, and do plan to up my ram asap
[09:07] <LL_Hakaisou> is there a shell command for setting up power save?
[09:07] <intelikey> Joshooa you would have to install a lot.   but there are that many packages yes.
[09:07] <Joshooa> deathnote: I agree, 2x is a good amount
[09:08] <stdin> deathnote: 1 to 2 size of RAM, the more RAM, the less swap
[09:08] <LL_Hakaisou> i seem to have ophaned my monitor and displays controls
[09:08] <intelikey> Joshooa & deathnote heh swap.... lol
[09:08] <deathnote> 1gb ram = 2gb swap ?
[09:08] <stdin> deathnote: no :P
[09:08] <nonuda_> stdin, ok let say i have another ext3 partition in that hd, how if i put vmlinuz and initrd in it?
[09:08] <deathnote> although i have 1gb ram i use 1gb for swap only
[09:08] <intelikey> 1g ram = 0 swap   imo
[09:08] <stdin> deathnote: with 1gb ram, you won't need much swap
[09:08] <LL_Hakaisou> i got 2 gigs of ram and 1 gig of swap, how's that sound?
[09:08] <deathnote> haha.....
[09:08] <nonuda_> i can put them in windows using norton partition magic
[09:09] <LL_Hakaisou> nonuda_ | carefull, there is a reason why it's also called partition tragic
[09:09] <deathnote> Joshooa: to be safe..leave 1 gb for swap.. and 7gb for your / partition then...since u have no use for those space
[09:09] <stdin> nonuda_: it may be better to make a fat32 partition, then copy the files there from windows
[09:09] <intelikey> LL_Hakaisou 2g ram = 0 swap    imo   :)
[09:09] <LL_Hakaisou> meh, it can't hurt
[09:10] <LL_Hakaisou> besides, i'm not exactly choking for space
[09:10] <intelikey> but the ubuntu team don't like me saying that you dont need swap.
[09:10] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well my 8gb is just a partition off of my 40GB, cause I didn't want to touch my 200GB as it's all just my keep folder, like documents, movies, programs, games and music
[09:10] <intelikey> so i wont say it.
[09:10] <stdin> deathnote: with 1GB ram, 500MB swap is safe
[09:10] <nonuda_> ok, let said i have a fat32 partition and copy them into it but the root command will be not "root (hd0,0) again right?
[09:10] <Joshooa> deathnote: So when I reinstall windows, it will be erased as well, and I will only have windows, no Kubuntu
[09:10] <intelikey> i run kde on a 64m ram   p1 box  with no swap  ...
[09:11] <deathnote> how much should a / partition be?
[09:11] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah, it would be "root (hd0,1)" ,if the fat32 partition was the 2nd partition on the disk
[09:11] <intelikey> deathnote depends on other partitions.   will /home be seperate ?   will /var  be seperate ?
[09:12] <deathnote> intelikey: can i have /home on the same partition as / ??
[09:12] <deathnote> OH
[09:12] <deathnote> zz
[09:12] <intelikey> deathnote sure
[09:12] <deathnote> Joshooa: do u want /home and / together? u have to figure out how much /home u want
[09:12] <nonuda_> ok.. i understand now...switching my laptop back to XP...i'll get in to u if i have problem...thanks
[09:12] <intelikey> deathnote the reason so many don't have /home on the same fs is to be able to reinstall without loosing personal files.
[09:13] <Joshooa> deathnote: I don't see why not just have Windows on the 40GB HD, and Linux on the 200, and not mix them up
[09:13] <deathnote> oh!! yesyes true
[09:13] <deathnote> Joshooa: sure
[09:13] <Joshooa> intelikey: But, I will have the files I want to save on NTFS partitions on the 200GB, like 100GB for Media, and 20GB for documents/pictures
[09:14] <deathnote> Joshooa: so u can have windows on first harddisk and linux on the 200 (4 partitions, / , /home , swap , ntfs)
[09:14] <unholyskorn> how do i install a .deb package?
[09:14] <Joshooa> deathnote: I mean I'm new so I want to learn everything I can and see your reasoning for wanting to do it that way, I just don't get it, and I also don't get what will change if root and home are on different physical drives
[09:14] <intelikey> Joshooa that would work.  but if i did that i'd split up the big drive.    small 1g /boot as first primary and then extended / 9g  and the rest /home
[09:14] <Joshooa> deathnote:  Yeah pretty much
[09:14] <_4strO> !dpkg
[09:14] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[09:14] <frit> how to recover deleted files plz ?
[09:14] <_4strO> !dpkg | unholyskorn
[09:14] <ubotu> unholyskorn: please see above
[09:14] <frit> is there a tool ?
[09:14] <Joshooa> intelikey: I need a boot partition too?
[09:14] <deathnote> Joshooa: remember... u can only have 4 partitions on a single harddisk.. unless u use extended partition..
[09:15] <unholyskorn> so, sudo dpkg FILENAME?
[09:15] <_4strO> ...
[09:15] <_4strO> sudo dpkg -i PACKAGE
[09:15] <unholyskorn> and thats it?
[09:15] <stdin> !deb | unholyskorn
[09:15] <ubotu> unholyskorn: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[09:15] <_4strO> i think so
[09:15] <intelikey> deathnote that would work. to use the 40g for win and the big drive for linux...   but if i did that i'd split up the big drive.    small 1g /boot as first primary and then extended / 9g  and the rest /home
[09:15] <unholyskorn> cause i did that, and it said unpacking and installing, but nothing else happened...
[09:16] <frit> how to recover deleted files plz ? is there a tool ?
[09:16] <intelikey> frit ext3 ?
[09:16] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well, my original plan was for the 200GB, I'd have 2GB swap, 100GB for Music/Movies NTFS, 5GB for My Documents and My Pictures I saved in NTFS, and the rest for Kubuntu
[09:16] <deathnote> Joshooa: /home contains your personal stuffs.. / partition contains the applications and kernel .. let's say something happen to ur kernel, u just need to reformat and install linux on / (takes about 30mins to 1 hour only) , without losing ur /home personal stuffs
[09:16] <_4strO> unholyskorn: try to run your application ...
[09:16] <frit> mmm
[09:16] <frit> wait gonna check that intelikey but i think it's ext3
[09:16] <stdin> frit: iirc, on ext3, it's nearly impossible to recover deleted files
[09:17] <Joshooa> deathnote: But anything I want saved, like music or whatever, will be on the NTFS shared partition anyway, and Pictures or files liek my resume, on the Documents one
[09:17] <intelikey> frit what fs are they deleted on ?  is it ext3 or reiserfs ?    if so forget it.
[09:17] <deathnote> intelikey: /boot and / is seperated ?
[09:17] <intelikey> deathnote i would.  you don't have to.
[09:17] <Joshooa> Man I am so glad that I am moving all these files I want to a whole nother computer, so I don't have to worry about fucking up
[09:17] <frit> :/ well ... thanks for answering stdin intelikey
[09:17] <intelikey> deathnote we went over this last night didn't we ?
[09:17] <britt> can anybody help me with my NVIDIA driver dogging the system?
[09:18] <frit> it's ext3
[09:18] <frit> :'(
[09:18] <unholyskorn> hmmm.... i run the program, and it says loading in the tray, and has the thinking icon next to my mouse, and then it just disappears...
[09:18] <deathnote> haha..what happened last night?
[09:18] <intelikey> frit yep.  sorry man.  that's just how it is.
[09:18] <Joshooa> I wish I had a linux guy here to help get me set up
[09:18] <britt> I wish things worked
[09:18] <_4strO> which program is it ?
[09:18] <qbmaster> hey
[09:18] <deathnote> Joshooa: u have to think of, anything u want to save when u use windows, and anything u want to save when u use linux
[09:18] <unholyskorn> envy
[09:19] <frit> no problem man tks again for aswering :)
[09:19] <unholyskorn> hasrat_usa helped me get it
[09:19] <intelikey> deathnote was that not you asking for input on how to setup a 40g + 100g drives ?
[09:19] <frit> + intelikey
[09:19] <frit> lol
[09:19] <Joshooa> deathnote: I know what those are, my windows game and program install files will all be on the 2nd partition of the 40GB drive
[09:19] <deathnote> haha..not me!!
[09:19] <qbmaster> can anybody help me figure out why my mp3 files won't play under kubuntu?  (Linux Noob here)
[09:19] <Joshooa> deathnote: Anything else is either in my Media Partition, or on my Documents Partition
[09:19] <qbmaster> I hear sound but the mp3 files won't play
[09:19] <unholyskorn> id get videolan player
[09:20] <qbmaster> the builtin progs can't play them?
[09:20] <Joshooa> deathnote: So, if I need to install windows, the 10GB partition on the 40 would be redone, and in linux the part of the 200 not being media or documents or swap
[09:20] <unholyskorn> im having a very serious problem with applications that dont run
[09:20] <deathnote> Joshooa: redone?
[09:20] <unholyskorn> they try to load, then just dissapear
[09:20] <intelikey> frit it is possable to recover files on ext2   (ext3 is ext2 + journal)  but on ext3 it's easier to find hin's teeth, snake hips and chicken lips.  in an empty room....
[09:21] <_4strO> unholyskorn: sudo envy -t
[09:21] <unholyskorn> and its static too....
[09:21] <Joshooa> deathnote: Like i was planning that Windows would only see it's C drive, the D for CD images to install my games, and then my Media part just for kicks, cause I wont use it in windows
[09:21] <ubuntu> I need help with an acer aspire 5100
[09:21] <deathnote> intelikey: what's the advantage of seperating /boot and / in different partition?
[09:21] <unholyskorn> like, 50% of the time my adept manager wont run
 id get videolan player <-- sudo apt-get install vlc ??
[09:21] <unholyskorn> not me, i got vlc, i was talking to the kid who couldnt hear his mp3's
[09:22] <deathnote> Joshooa: Media is for storage in NTFS ?
[09:22] <unholyskorn> vlc seems to load everything well
[09:22] <qbmaster> hm
[09:22] <ubuntu> no
[09:22] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yeah, like I'd reformat and reinstall on the 10GB part, and then once it's up, open up ISOs and EXEs on the remaining 30GB partition, so I wont lose my programs, just have to reinstall them, when I am used to cause of windows sucking
[09:22] <intelikey> deathnote in my case security.  but in your case, being sure that grub works correctly without error
[09:22] <qbmaster> I'll give it a shot
[09:22] <ubuntu> its fat32
[09:22] <qbmaster> one of the problems may be that those mp3s are on an NTFS partition
[09:22] <unholyskorn> k ill brb, see if ati drivers worked
[09:22] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yes, Media is where I will move all my Music and Video files to, so I can see them in Linux, and my roommates can also access them from their Windows computers, and add th eir music as well.
[09:22] <qbmaster> although the partition seems readable through linux
[09:22] <Joshooa> deathnote: Like a central media location
[09:23] <ubuntu> about the NTFS I did find a doc about reading and writing
[09:23] <intelikey> !ntfs | ubuntu
[09:23] <ubotu> ubuntu: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:23] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g > ubuntu
[09:23] <ubuntu> dood it was on google
[09:23] <intelikey> !fuse > ubuntu
[09:24] <deathnote> Joshooa: u mean u going to partition your first harddisk into 10 , 30 for windows ?
[09:24] <deathnote> Joshooa: its up to u
[09:24] <deathnote> intelikey: how big should /boot be ?
[09:24] <Joshooa> deathnote: yes, cause 10 for Windows and installed games, and 30 for ISOs for games and programs, stuff I wont need to even see in Linux, since linux can't run them
[09:24] <intelikey> deathnote not over a gig   not less than 64m
[09:25] <deathnote> Joshooa: hehe linux can run windows games too! but we'll go into that later ;p
[09:25] <Joshooa> deathnote: So my reasoning was to just pretty much ignore the 40GB drive while inside Kubuntu, which I'll mainly use
[09:25] <intelikey> i know that's a wide gap.
[09:25] <Joshooa> deathnote: Well I know, wine or Virtual, but, wouldn't that use up more resources and be more complicated? Besides, I want windows to go back to if I ever need to
[09:26] <ubuntu> I wasnt talking about that other driver for ntfs
[09:26] <ubuntu> I was talking about another method
[09:26] <intelikey> deathnote i'd also make /boot ext2
[09:26] <deathnote> Joshooa: yeah for the 200gb just partition it into 4 parts.. or u wanna try seperating /boot and / that would be 5 partitions so u have to use extended
[09:26] <intelikey> deathnote no need for a journal on that.
[09:27] <unholyskorn> Hasrat_USA are you there?
[09:27] <deathnote> i would try that on next installation....
[09:27] <qbmaster> I'm attempting to get VLC now
[09:27] <deathnote> Joshooa: i would just don't use windows completely..because what else can't be done in linux? hehe
[09:28] <Joshooa> deathnote: Isn't ext2 and ext3 extended?
[09:28] <premier_> So, I updated my fstab file, and when I rebooted, I got a few error messages that were too fast to read.  I still didnt get swap to work
[09:28] <qbmaster> I'm sure you guys get a lot of people here with little to no linux experience
[09:28] <intelikey> ok i need to do some STUFF.   you ever do STUFF ?   well i need to do some stuff now.  back in a while.
[09:28] <qbmaster> lol I almost feel embarassed
[09:28] <premier_> swap works fine when I do "swapon /dev/sda4"
[09:28] <Joshooa> deathnote: Yeah, I wish, I want to do that, but 1, I spent a lot of time getting this collection of software together, and also, I heard it's better to keep a copy of windows for gaming
[09:28] <unholyskorn> how do i tell if envy worked?
[09:28] <deathnote> i'm a newbie too..
[09:29] <intelikey> Joshooa that's ext# fs not EXT partition.... the file system format not the partition declaration.
[09:29] <ubuntu> joshooa yes
[09:29] <Joshooa> deathnote: Also, just incase in 2 weeks I can't take it and need to go back to windows for comfort, I'd hate to not have all this stuff I'm used to, and if I want windows at all, I have to install it first, so I want it installed and out of the way no
[09:29] <Joshooa> w
[09:29] <ubuntu> if you cant get it to run in wine
[09:29] <deathnote> Joshooa: no....ext2 and ext3 isn't extended.. extended means....hmm how shd i explain
[09:29] <intelikey> Joshooa you can have ext# fs on either a primary or extended partition or on a disk without a partition.
[09:30] <deathnote> Joshooa: u know harddisk can have up to 4 partitions
[09:30] <premier_> so can anyone help me with the whole swap thing?
[09:30] <Joshooa> deathnote: yeah
[09:30] <intelikey> anyway.  back in a bit.
[09:30] <deathnote> Joshooa: each partition can be primary or extended ..
[09:30] <deathnote> Joshooa: so what to do if u want 5 or more partitions?
[09:30] <Joshooa> Isn't it easier to just have windows installed on a partition and keep my windows games like Doom 3 and Fable and stuff on that, and boot into windows if I want to play games?
[09:31] <ubuntu> joshooa get a new drive
[09:31] <stdin> deathnote: use extended and logical partitions
[09:31] <qbmaster> I made a seperate partition for Linux and for Windows :)
[09:31] <Joshooa> ubuntu: I'm broke right now
[09:31] <qbmaster> (and one for the swap flie as well)
[09:31] <deathnote> Joshooa: u have to create in extended partitions.. in each extended partition u can again have 4 primary partitions
[09:31] <deathnote> ops
[09:31] <deathnote> is it 4?
[09:31] <Joshooa> deathnote: So then up to 8 total/
[09:32] <deathnote> stdin: how many partitions can u have in extended?
[09:32] <deathnote> Joshooa: yeah..somewhat expand the number of partitions..hehee!
[09:32] <stdin> deathnote: afaik, as many as you want (reasonably), I'll have to check
[09:32] <ubuntu> back to my orginal idea anyone know where I can get support for an ACER aspire 5100
[09:32] <stdin> deathnote: and they are logical partitions in extended ones. not primary :)
[09:33] <Joshooa> Is it bad to install windows, my main OS, on a hard drive that isn't the master hard drive?
[09:33] <ubuntu> I need drivers
[09:33] <deathnote> oh yah..logical....
[09:34] <deathnote> i think its bad because the bootloader for windows would be installed on the MBR of the other harddisk instead of the master harddisk (correct me if i'm wrong)
[09:34] <qbmaster> wow, I'm lost
[09:34] <ubuntu> I hate that damn bootloader
[09:34] <ubuntu> it freaking foobars windows
[09:35] <deathnote> what's foobars?
[09:35] <premier_> yeah, i can do swapon /dev/sda4, but my /dev/disk/by-uuid folder doesnt have a device that could possibly associated with sda4
[09:35] <Joshooa> deathnote: But Windows will be on the master, and Kubuntu on the slave
[09:35] <ubuntu> mickeysofts bootloader
[09:35] <unholyskorn> does anyone know why envy doesnt work?
[09:35] <sebr> whenever an application opens the audio device on kubuntu, there is this very loud shrill noise that happens :(
[09:35] <deathnote> ubuntu: i'm not very sure but will the bootloader be installed in the slave harddisk if i choose to install windows on slave harddisk?
[09:36] <unholyskorn> i installed it, ran it in konsole, selected install ati drivers, it said loaded and such, and i restart and it doesnt seem like it put them in, i still only have 800x600 resolution
[09:36] <Joshooa> I'm kinda confused
[09:36] <stdin> premier_: "sudo vol_id -u /dev/sda4" will give you the UUID of it
[09:36] <ubuntu> sebr thats a serious driver issue
[09:36] <Joshooa> I right clicked on my 8GB partition, and checked disk size, and it's 125GB
[09:36] <deathnote> Joshooa: Kubuntu can install its bootloader onto the master harddisk's MBR , even if u have it on the slave harddisk (i think..correct me if i'm wrong)
[09:37] <ubuntu> see if you can get drivers from your oem
[09:37] <sebr> ubuntu: okay, do you know where i can get info on it?
[09:37] <stdin> Joshooa, deathnote: yeah, grub can be installed anywhere you want
[09:37] <Joshooa> deathnote: I think so too, and stop saying correct you if you're wrong, since I am asking you for advice, that is VERY discouraging :P
[09:37] <ubuntu> you dont know the modle?
[09:37] <sebr> no, its a brand new pc
[09:38] <ubuntu> dude
[09:38] <Joshooa> stdin: What is the point of making a 100MB boot partition and should I do it? And why not just install Windows on the 40GB, and then Kubuntu on the 200GB?
[09:38] <qbmaster> wow it seems my transfers go quicker through linux
[09:38] <ubuntu> rtfm before you buy
[09:38] <qbmaster> a lot quicker
[09:38] <sebr> i'll get it to work
[09:38] <deathnote> stdin: is grub (the bootloader) is automatically installed in the MBR of the first master harddisk? even if you choose / to be on the slave harddisk ?
[09:38] <nonuda__> stdin, the boot process run, but i got this error : "/bin/sh : can't access tty; job control turned off"
[09:39] <unholyskorn> what driver for ati do i want to use for running beryl?
[09:39] <unholyskorn> i have envy to try to install it, but it doesnt seem to work
[09:39] <deathnote> Joshooa: i'm very new too..really..hoping to learn too..
[09:39] <deathnote> unholyskorn: my beryl doesn't seem to work..tried aiglx and glx
[09:39] <stdin> Joshooa: the only reason (I can think of) to have a separate /boot partition, is of you want to install multiple distributions and want them all to share it
[09:39] <Joshooa> deathnote: How long have you used Windows and how long have you used Linux?
[09:39] <ubuntu> I took a class in linux buh they just went 90% over vim
[09:39] <ubuntu> yey
[09:40] <stdin> deathnote: it's installed to the MBR of the drive kubuntu is installed on (i think)
[09:40] <ibc_> I know this may seem simple but where do you configure the screensaver?
[09:40] <deathnote> Joshua: half a year linux..whole life windows..had unix exp before
[09:40] <cpk1> vim is very important =D
[09:40] <ibc_> I can't find the settings for it
[09:40] <stdin> nonuda__: does the install continue tho?
[09:41] <Joshooa> stdin:  No, I just want windows on the 40, along with the windows programs/install files for them, and then Swap, Kubuntu, a shared Music/Movie Partition, and a Documents Partition on the other 200GB slave drive
[09:41] <deathnote> stdin: what if i install kubuntu to a 2nd harddisk (slave), grub won't be taking over as the boot loader?
[09:41] <ubuntu> I rather use an easier text editor
[09:41] <unholyskorn> god damn kubtunu lol
[09:41] <cpk1> ibc_: right click the desktop > configure desktop
[09:41] <premier_> stdin: can you help me?  What should my fstab file be?
[09:41] <nonuda__> nop..i'm in some kind of konsole..the prompt is (initramfs)
[09:41] <ubuntu> like edit in dos
[09:41] <cpk1> nano is really easy
[09:41] <premier_> f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0
[09:42] <premier_> thats what it is now
[09:42] <deathnote> ubuntu: like nano ?
[09:42] <ibc_> cpk1, thanks!
[09:42] <Joshooa> deathnote: Tomorrow I will have all this figured out, as all my important files are going to be on another computer, and I will have 1 blank master 40GB, and 1 blank slave 200GB to figure this mess out on
[09:42] <ubuntu> well they never went over that
[09:42] <stdin> deathnote: shouldn't, but if it does, grub can boot from the other drive too
[09:42] <ubuntu> book doesnt even cover it
[09:42] <unholyskorn> anyone have any experiance with Envy that can help me out?
[09:42] <qbmaster> hey out of curiousity, does Ubuntu automatically attempt to use compression for http requests?
[09:42] <stdin> premier_: like "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0"
[09:42] <cpk1> strawberry!
[09:43] <stdin> premier_: the "UUID=" part is important
[09:43] <ubuntu> qbmaster I dont think they would
[09:43] <deathnote> stbin: i thought normally bios boot up the first master harddisk ? unless u have a function to boot from 2nd harddisk
[09:43] <qbmaster> heh
[09:43] <qbmaster> well it's odd that I'm getting 100+KBps on this dl atm
[09:43] <premier_> stdin is "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    swap              0       0"  different from "UUID=f93b13e6-13a3-4220-b3f7-a5c2d0b30118 none            swap    sw              0       0" ?
[09:43] <Joshooa> deathnote: I really want to just have Kubuntu on the 40GB, and devote it all to swap and ext3, but my fear is sometime later I will want to go into windows, and wont be able to cause you can't install windows after linux cause windows will mess up the boot
[09:43] <qbmaster> when under Xp it  rarely reaches 50
[09:43] <stdin> premier_: this is my line for swap " UUID=6bbb6f03-1a3b-4bbb-8226-c67eb4d03163 none            swap    sw              0       0"
[09:43] <ubuntu> far as i kno comcast is pushing such applications
[09:43] <premier_> thanks
[09:44] <unholyskorn> i have comcast lol
[09:44] <nonuda__> stdin?
[09:44] <Joshooa> deathnote: And I thought and heard that running a windows program inside of linux will use more resources than just running it in windows, and Doom 3 is hard enough to get running smooth on here as it is
[09:44] <qbmaster> hm, the odd thing is that the other computer is the one handling the internet
[09:44] <stdin> premier_: just make sure that you use the right UUID
[09:44] <qbmaster> this one shouldn't have anything to do with it
[09:44] <qbmaster> lol
[09:44] <Joshooa> unholyskorn: Go Comcast!
[09:44] <qbmaster> (but it's cool :P)
[09:44] <Joshooa> Not really
[09:44] <cpk1> doom 3 runs natively
[09:44] <unholyskorn> comcast sucks so bad
[09:44] <stdin> nonuda__: dose the install run?
[09:44] <ubuntu> uhh connection sharing?
[09:44] <ubuntu> through windows?
[09:44] <Joshooa> cpk1: So I can put in a Doom 3 image, and install it in Linux, and it will work?
[09:44] <deathnote> Joshooa: maybe..maybe not
[09:45] <Joshooa> Yeah I hate comcast, I always get kicked off and get slow speeds, but it's free so it's ok
[09:45] <ubuntu> joshooa there is a doom 3 linux version I think
[09:45] <sebr> yes, there is
[09:45] <deathnote> Joshooa: depends......eg: i play warcraft 3 frozen throne in linux , its taking my sound card resources.. i can't play other mp3s during play
[09:45] <cpk1> there IS a doom3 linux version
[09:45] <sebr> you need to download the doom3 linux files from id
[09:45] <unholyskorn> Envy, help, please, Anyone?
[09:45] <cpk1> and I can have sound in warcraft 3 and play mp3's at the same time...
[09:45] <Joshooa> Well, I'm still new to linux, and I'm more comfortable just rebooting into Windows if I want to play warcraft 3 or Doom or Fable or anything
[09:45] <deathnote> Joshooa: but there should be a fix for it..wine hq pple say its because of my sound card isn't too gd for multi
[09:46] <qbmaster> :( What am I supposed to do with these files now?
[09:46] <ubuntu> doubt they'd give roe for free
[09:46] <qbmaster> lol
[09:46] <deathnote> cpk1: how do u do that?
[09:46] <deathnote> cpk1: u using alsa or oss for wine?
[09:46] <nonuda__> stdin, nop the install not run! i can see splah screen but it stuck with some kind of a konsole
[09:46] <Joshooa> Can I play Pocket Tanks Deluxe in Linux/
[09:47] <soon> Hi folks. I want this simple command run at boot up : iwpriv ath0 mode 2
[09:47] <soon> ...or a change in the wireless setup ... where can I do this?
[09:47] <Joshooa> Keep in mind though, this is like my 4th or 5th day in Kubuntu and Linux, so, the whole wine virtual thing just seems complicated to me
[09:47] <ubuntu> soon in the internet menu
[09:47] <unholyskorn> Why the HELL does Adept not run sometimes!
[09:47] <stdin> soon: you can add it to /etc/rc.local
[09:47] <cpk1> deathnote: dunno let me check
[09:47] <ubuntu> there is an app to change your connection
[09:48] <stdin> nonuda__: hmm
[09:48] <Ayabara> I just installed kubuntu-desktop and logged in for the first time. All looks good, except that my fonts are huge in most applications (xchat, firefox, ..). what do I need to do to fix this?
[09:48] <deathnote> stdin: if i have 2 harddisks one master one slave.. and i installed kubuntu on 2nd harddisk, how can i boot into grub when i'm booting into the master harddisk ?
[09:48] <asaup> hello
[09:48] <soon> hello?
[09:48] <qbmaster> I think I dl'ed the mac version
[09:48] <qbmaster> lol
[09:48] <nonuda__> stdin, why it said it can't access tty?
[09:48] <ubuntu> bios boot menu
[09:48] <deathnote> stdin: means i must have grub on the MBR of first harddisk?
[09:48] <ubuntu> !!!
[09:49] <deathnote> ubuntu: let's say if i don't have the option to boot from slave?
[09:49] <stdin> deathnote: you'll have to chainload, not sure how windows does it tho
[09:49] <stdin> nonuda__: not sure
[09:49] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again
[09:49] <asaup> ??
[09:49] <cpk1> deathnote: actually looks like I cant check since it seems that winecfg doesnt seem to want to work in this version
[09:49] <soon> Ubuntu ..  the gui program will only change my settings for now (no?) .. I'll try stdin's suggetion
[09:49] <ubuntu> umm about serial ata
[09:49] <deathnote> cpk1: sudo winecfg ?
[09:50] <ubuntu> how can I check to see if its detected
[09:50] <deathnote> stdin: what's chainload? can i manually instlal grub on the master harddisk MBR?
[09:50] <Joshooa> Man I really need a good linux book to read so I know all this stuff about installing windows here and linux there and knowing it will work, I hate guess and check
[09:50] <fannagoganna> hi, i have noticed that the ubuntu and kubuntu 6.10 alternate CD's don't allow one to install LVM2 systems
[09:50] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??
[09:50] <Joshooa> Mainly cause to find out if it works, I have to spend 3-6 hours installing first
[09:50] <cpk1> thats not the problem deathnote and nothing in wine needs sudo
[09:50] <fannagoganna> however, the 6.06 does
[09:50] <nonuda__> it must be something with root=/dev.... if i use the command line from the web it gave me something else...it said "waiting the root command"
[09:50] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: there are several
[09:50] <stdin> deathnote: you can choose where to install grub when installing kubuntu
[09:51] <posingaspopular> the official ubuntu bible, installin ubuntu for non geeks
[09:51] <posingaspopular> iirc
[09:51] <ubuntu> I just know that my raid fails on shutdown
[09:51] <posingaspopular> some other ones that i found at borders...
[09:51] <Hasrat_USA> okay beryl is the s&&&. on that note, it's good bye. i gotta crash
[09:51] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Hi, Ive seen you before and i like your name.  Which ones are good? And which ones are good for general linux works, and not just Ubuntu Specific?
[09:51] <Ayabara> I use gdm / kubuntu. could that be what makes my fonts to large?
[09:51] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??
[09:51] <deathnote> stdin: which part? the part where u choose partition?
[09:52] <stdin> deathnote: it'll be near the end of the install, it will ask you
[09:52] <deathnote> stdin: it asked for / /home and swap etc..i couldn't find the grub part..
[09:52] <frit> i m in love with Beryl *___*
[09:52] <nonuda__> stdin, if i install the kubuntu using my laptop hardisk in another pc which has cdrom then after the installation finish i put the hardisk back to laptop, can it work?
[09:53] <c0nv1ct> beryl is sexy eh?
[09:53] <deathnote> frit: couldn't get it working
[09:53] <frit> deathnote:  ?
[09:53] <unholyskorn> exit
[09:53] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: hmmmt thanks.. linux specifically? i cant think of any books about linux that ive read aside from 'just for fun' which is about linux torvalds.
[09:53] <frit> i made it in 5 min :o
[09:53] <posingaspopular> i duno, google?
[09:53] <ubuntu> stdin is there any info on the acer aspire 5100 and ubuntu?
[09:53] <c0nv1ct> frit: same, followed a HOWTO, was easy
[09:53] <stdin> nonuda__: it should, but that depends if you can put the laptop drive in a pc
[09:53] <c0nv1ct> frit: except i'm using Xgl, and i hear AIGLX is faster
[09:54] <asaup> i have my kubuntu installed in sda2 and swap space in sda3 but my mount point is in sda1. if i formatt the sda1 will ubuntu work again??
[09:54] <premier_> I got the swap space working, although I still get unusual messages at boot that flash by too fast for me to see
[09:54] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I'm just still trying to get my head around all the structure of linux and how it all works with the kernal and all that
[09:54] <qbmaster> Hm, I don't think the mp3 problem has anything to do with the players...
[09:54] <nonuda__> yup i can put my laptop hdd in a pc using some kind of adapter...ok then thanks for help...bye
[09:54] <frit> c0nv1ct: yep i followed one howto really good with good sources etc , & i m using Xgl too , but what it's the difference ?
[09:54] <premier_> Anyway, I tried to hibernate the computer, and it did shut down, but when I restarted, it didnt do anything
[09:54] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i have those ubuntu books if u want them
[09:55] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I do
[09:55] <c0nv1ct> frit: i get horrible CPU usage when playing xvid in XGL
[09:55] <ubuntu> never did like hibernation features
[09:55] <c0nv1ct> frit: someone said AIGLX would be easier on resources
[09:55] <frit> ho ? i don't have that problem :/ c0nv1ct
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i dunno if DCC will work for me, my iptables isnt configured for it
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i can try sending if u want?
[09:56] <Joshooa> ok
[09:56] <frit> do you want my howto ? c0nv1ct
[09:56] <frit> :p
[09:56] <ubuntu> convlct what kindof router?
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> frit: ya? well i got it setup with latest nvidia drivers, dunno how it could get better
[09:56] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: actually yea, there are a bunch of books about linux and its structure. the problem is that they're all priey. linux for non geeks might be good or how linux works or linux bible
[09:56] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu, no router
[09:56] <posingaspopular> those are all options
[09:56] <ubuntu> switch?
[09:57] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Thanks, I'll keep those in mind, I guess I just have to go to a local book store and look around
[09:57] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: straight to a cable bridge
[09:57] <premier_> is there supposed to be a line in my kernel options that goes "resume=something"?
[09:57] <ubuntu> ah
[09:57] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: but i have iptables configured extensively
[09:57] <frit> c0nv1ct: erm .. one thing can u speak french ?
[09:57] <unholyskorn> why does nothing work on this god damn thing
[09:57] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: yea gl with that, books about technology around here are at like 20 bucks apiece and i dont work so it hurts to buy books
[09:58] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: attempting to send
[09:58] <ubuntu> umm posing.... last I saw
[09:58] <c0nv1ct> afk 1 sec, out of smokes
[09:58] <ubuntu> and I mean saw
[09:58] <ubuntu> there are quite a few books in e format
[09:58] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Where are you from?
[09:59] <qbmaster> okay
[09:59] <unholyskorn> 20 bucks? books around here are lik 70 lol
[09:59] <qbmaster> can somebody explain to me how to install the media codecs?
[09:59] <posingaspopular> chicago. we have hardcore sales takes
[09:59] <posingaspopular> ubuntu: any good ebooks for linux?
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: DCC send doesnt seem to be working, did you get a notice?
[10:00] <ubuntu> I think there may be
[10:00] <unholyskorn> Can anyone explain to me why nothing runs proper on this damn distro?
[10:00] <Joshooa> I have a bunch of ebooks for linux, but I can't get linux to open them, just windows :)
[10:00] <ubuntu> but nothing related specifically to ubuntu
[10:00] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: No nothing
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: PDF format?
[10:00] <ubuntu> joshooa
[10:00] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: whats not running properly
[10:00] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Some are, some are chm, whatever that is
[10:00] <ubuntu> convert to pdf
[10:00] <Joshooa> ubuntu: Yeah?
[10:00] <unholyskorn> everything i run
[10:00] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: there is PDF and CHM support for linux
[10:00] <unholyskorn> has about a 50% chance of actually running
[10:01] <unholyskorn> if not, it sits there saying loading, with the hourglass, then BOOM disapears
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Well they wont open, just goes grey, I am thinking something is wrong in my install, as some programs do that as well
[10:01] <qbmaster> all I see is a big string of commands that I'm not understanding yet
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Which I am told should work just fine
[10:01] <qbmaster> :/
[10:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: just search Adept or Synaptic for CHM and PDF
[10:01] <ubuntu> hell im just lucky to get this to run off the CD
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I installed ubuntu, then up'd to Kubuntu, and now a bunch of stuff wont work
[10:01] <ubuntu> few other distros I've tried crashed
[10:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: DCC started, but its not sending, lol
[10:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Sweet
[10:01] <unholyskorn> like, ill run the damn program, and it wont run, then i try three more times and then BOOM it runs
[10:01] <stdin> !chm
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: nm it said failed
[10:02] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: which ones?
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: what are u using to open the PDFs?
[10:02] <unholyskorn> adept manager for one
[10:02] <unholyskorn> beryl
[10:02] <unholyskorn> beryl manager
[10:02] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I don't kn ow, whatever Kubunu tells me to
[10:02] <ubuntu> some debain.. kanotix 64...
[10:02] <unholyskorn> system settings
[10:02] <posingaspopular> beryl i dont touch
[10:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: try installing KPDF and KchmViewer
[10:03] <c0nv1ct> i'm not sure if either is installed by default
[10:04] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I have KPDF as well, and it wont open them
[10:04] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: weird
[10:04] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: worked right out of the box for me
[10:04] <qbmaster> bye guys
[10:04] <ubuntu> umm I did get an mounting error... on my desktop... "mount not implimented"
[10:04] <unholyskorn> any ideas?
[10:05] <ubuntu> the other machine across the room
[10:05] <ubuntu> ofcourse
[10:05] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's why I think something is wrong with my Kubuntu install
[10:05] <Ayabara> if I change the font size in control center, do I have to restart x or the open apps to activate the change?
[10:05] <Joshooa> deathnote: I think I'm just going to take your advice and forget windows alltogether right now
[10:06] <ubuntu> joshooa
[10:06] <ubuntu> you should
[10:06] <Joshooa> ubuntu
[10:06] <ubuntu> I/ve been watching my updates
[10:06] <Joshooa> Would you guys consider ebooks media?
[10:06] <ubuntu> seems they only have been adding files
[10:06] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: strange, i installed Kubuntu on top of Ubuntu, and it opens PDFs inside of Konqueror
[10:06] <ubuntu> not replacing them
[10:06] <c0nv1ct> i have 130mb of Ubuntu related PDF and CHM ebooks
[10:07] <c0nv1ct> not exactly legal, but...
[10:07] <ubuntu> convlct I thought that would replace the os
[10:07] <Joshooa> Well I have a ubuntu DVD, and now a Kubuntu DVD, so I think I am going to install off the Kubuntu DVD to my 40GB HD, then partition the 200GB into Documents, Media, and Programs
[10:07] <c0nv1ct> no, u can 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' from Ubuntu
[10:07] <c0nv1ct> it just installs KDE and all the Kubuntu packages really
[10:07] <ubuntu> o
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> gnome angered me, so KDE it is :P
[10:08] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I know, that's what I did this time, and now most of my programs don't work
[10:08] <ubuntu> gnome was ok back in the day
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> as i spill beer on myself, brb
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> yeah, gnome 2.0 impressed me
[10:08] <c0nv1ct> but then i remembered i liked KDE when i installed Ubuntu
[10:09] <Joshooa> Like, no games work, and a lot of my settings and system things wont open anymore either
[10:09] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: odd, like what programs?
[10:09] <ubuntu> well Originally atleast on my systems kde would eat resources
[10:09] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Everything under Games
[10:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct:  printer stuff, anything that has GNOME in it or starts with G
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: I just like the QT apps, Konquere > Nautilus IMO
[10:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Just comes up all grey, and sits there forever, until I try to close it, where I have to terminate it
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: gnome stuff runs fine for me, but i've tried to use all QT-based replacements
[10:10] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: QT based?
[10:10] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: are the gnome libs still there?
[10:11] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Should be, why wouldn't they?
[10:11] <ubuntu> eek must know if my serial ata is working
[10:11] <Joshooa> Also, why wont Kopete log me in here, I can't message anyone
[10:11] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: unless you told it to remove the original Ubuntu stuff, it should
[10:11] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i couldnt get Kopete to work right with IRC either, i use Konversation
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: All I did was type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and then reboot
[10:12] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, same as i did
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And I've already took the time to download the Kubuntu DVD, so I might as well use it
[10:12] <deathnote> For a dual core intel processor, should i use x86 or 64-bit pc installation?
[10:12] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I am NOT looking forward to figuring out my network and wireless card again though
[10:12] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: knetworkmanager
[10:13] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: According to the hardware page, my Linksys card should just work right out of the box, but that was not true
[10:13] <posingaspopular> should do it for you
[10:13] <ubuntu> took me all day to get that dvd
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: by QT i mean, as opposed to GTK
[10:13] <ubuntu> hell if I should download another
[10:13] <Joshooa> I don't have knetworkmanager
[10:13] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: yourun kubuntu dont yo?
[10:13] <posingaspopular> you?
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: is it in your Adept Manager?
[10:13] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: GTK?
[10:13] <niles> hi
[10:13] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Yes I do
[10:13] <niles> i cant seem to find limewire in apt-cache search
[10:13] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: gnome = GTK, KDE = QT
[10:13] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: It probably is
[10:14] <niles> anyone here use it?
[10:14] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: What> Why? I thought KDE was just KDE
[10:14] <athlon> I deleted my kubuntu-desktop package and now cant upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10. Since I no longer have th 6.06 DVD, where can I download the dapper kubuntu-desktop deb package
[10:14] <stdin> !p2p | niles
[10:14] <ubotu> niles: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[10:14] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: kinda, its a DE based on QT
[10:14] <Ayabara> can anyone help? I tried to change fonts in control center, but the fonts in xchat, gaim and firefox didn't seem to change
[10:14] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: yeah..... right over my head
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: which, i believe, is the language its written in, but i'm no programmer
[10:15] <ubuntu> technically you could run gnome and kde
[10:15] <slougi> athlon: why can't you upgrade?
[10:15] <ubuntu> buh I dont know how valid that is anymore
[10:15] <Joshooa> Man I can't wait for my job interview in 10 hours
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: true, u can select at login
[10:15] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: or use libraries to run GTK apps in KDE, and vise versa
[10:15] <stdin> Ayabara: firefox (and probably xchat and gaim) have there own font settings
[10:15] <ubuntu> I did however run both simutainiously in the past
[10:17] <deathnote> Joshooa: how is it
[10:17] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: google is your friend
[10:17] <posingaspopular> Run sudo apt-get update
[10:17] <posingaspopular>  Run sudo apt-get install network-manager-kde
[10:17] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: if you really do like KDE better, and you haven't done too much work so far, re-installing might be the best option
[10:17] <comp09> orhei
[10:17] <Joshooa> Yeah, another problem I have is the google search bar in firefox quit working
[10:17] <Ayabara> stdin, makes sense. guess I will have to decide on kde or gnome and tweak for my choice.
[10:17] <Joshooa> and Kopete randomly disconnects me from AIM and Yahoo
[10:17] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: weird
[10:18] <unholyskorn> this doesnt work for crap lol
[10:18] <posingaspopular> probably a bad install
[10:18] <Joshooa> AND tells me my buddy image isn't right, but I don't even have one@
[10:18] <ubuntu> its yahoo
[10:18] <Joshooa> !*
[10:18] <ubuntu> and aim
[10:18] <ubuntu> trillian does the same
[10:18] <Joshooa> I never had that problem on trillian
[10:18] <Joshooa> Oh well it's worth not having windows
[10:18] <c0nv1ct> Kopete gives me an error every time cuz my own name is in my buddy list
[10:18] <c0nv1ct> thats my only problem so far
[10:18] <c0nv1ct> stupid ex-girlfriend's buddy list merged with mine somehow
[10:19] <ubuntu> trillian use to do that aswell
[10:19] <posingaspopular> c0nv1ct: thats no good!
[10:19] <Lamington> ><
[10:19] <ubuntu> some times still does
[10:19] <c0nv1ct> yeah, now i got all her stupid friends in my list
[10:19] <posingaspopular> my ex tried to group our SN's one time, and it didnt go over too well
[10:19] <Joshooa> aw crap, I just noticed I have a 512MB swap on, and a 2.5GB swap off
[10:20] <larson9999> swap on. swap off
[10:20] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: OMG I know what you mean, that is horrible, then both SNs had ALL the buddies huh?
[10:20] <ubuntu> the clapper
[10:20] <ubuntu> lol
[10:20] <Joshooa> nerds
[10:20] <bentob0x> anybody has a good link for me to mount in my /home/ folder a network hard drive (DNS-323) at startup?
[10:20] <c0nv1ct> i know trillian was at fault too
[10:20] <c0nv1ct> cuz she added her accounts to my trillian, and bam, merged
[10:21] <Joshooa> !reiserfs
[10:21] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[10:21] <posingaspopular> ugh you dont wnat mergered screen names. ever. i just dont use trillian anymore.
[10:21] <posingaspopular> delete the account
[10:21] <ubuntu> well I think astera is going to be better
[10:21] <c0nv1ct> trillian is gone, but apparently AIM and ICQ saved the lists, and now every client picks them all up
[10:21] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I never paid for any of my windows programs
[10:21] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I felt kinda bad, but not if they were from Microsoft
[10:21] <ubuntu> shhh..
[10:21] <ubuntu> dude
[10:22] <ubuntu> you should know your being watched
[10:22] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah they do that, cause it's "convenient"
[10:22] <cpk1> since the gui isnt working how do you add users? =X
[10:22] <posingaspopular> the M$ word
[10:22] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: ah, same, dont worry, they make 10bil a year
[10:22] <Joshooa> ubuntu: I am not
[10:22] <ubuntu> yes  you are
[10:22] <posingaspopular> i had like 4000 dollars of windows software on my hd at one point. all free.
[10:22] <ubuntu> NSA is still using AT&T
[10:22] <Joshooa> ubuntu: By who?
[10:22] <posingaspopular> but i can get the ubuntu version
[10:22] <c0nv1ct> posingaspopular: 4000 is nothing :P
[10:22] <Joshooa> and no I'm not
[10:22] <posingaspopular> much nicer too
[10:22] <c0nv1ct> posingaspopular: thats just 1 Win 2k3 ent server :F
[10:22] <posingaspopular> c0nv1ct: well thats not including 30 gigsof mucis
[10:23] <posingaspopular> music
[10:23] <c0nv1ct> :D
[10:23] <c0nv1ct> dont remind me, i lost all my music in my last reformat
[10:23] <cpk1> adduser duh
[10:23] <ubuntu> be safe and backup your data before any drastic changes
[10:23] <posingaspopular> c0nv1ct: thats why i havent completly kicked windows off my hd. its gothostages!
[10:23] <ubuntu> is my rule
[10:23] <c0nv1ct> Windows made me angry, so i just nuked it all, and installed Ubuntu
[10:23] <Joshooa> If I was being watched because of that, then the whole torrent network would be shut down, cause that's where I got it all, and also you can get Peer Guardian and it blocks Government and College and fake IPs from getting to you
[10:24] <c0nv1ct> i always lose data when i get mad :P
[10:24] <unholyskorn> Woot got envy to work
[10:24] <ubuntu> technically some sites have
[10:24] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: This is why I'm just moving everything I want to another computer, in another room, upstairs, I have to REALLY fuck this up to ruin my info
[10:24] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, i've been there man, a few dozen times
[10:24] <Joshooa> some sites got shut down, but that's different than me being arrested for downloading a program
[10:24] <niles> umm... yeah.  i just rebooted and now my sound card isnt recognized in /etc/asound/cards
[10:24] <ubuntu> josh I do have to say... who has time to find all the IP adresses
[10:25] <niles> but it was there prior to rebooting
[10:25] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: my last problem was 2 failed HDDs, so i lost more than i wanted too
[10:25] <ubuntu> btw nsawatch.org
[10:25] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I always just used my 200Gig HD for stuff, it hasn't been formatted since I got it
[10:25] <niles> my sound blaster is no longer in alsamixer
[10:25] <deathnote> what's the download manager for kubuntu/kde that works like getright (multiple download per link)
[10:25] <c0nv1ct> I had a 120gb and 250gb IDE fail on me at the same time.... so much lost
[10:25] <ubuntu> er I think com
[10:25] <Werdnus> hello, adept screwed up and I now have no /sbin/init. What do I need to do to get it back (I'm chrooted into it off an OpenSUSE livecd)
[10:25] <c0nv1ct> i'm happy with my new 500gb SATA though :D
[10:25] <Werdnus> is init in a specific package?
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I just wouldn't use computers for a while, that's like a sign or something
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: But if I lose these naked pics of my ex, I'd be so pissed :D
[10:26] <c0nv1ct> oh god, thats important leverage there
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I can remake my resume and stuff, that's not very important, and redownload my music, but naked pictures, gotta have that
[10:26] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah, show her to dump me!
[10:26] <Werdnus> :DD
[10:26] <c0nv1ct> my digital camcorder with my 'footage' was stolen.. who knows where that is now, lol
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Not really, we're prob getting back together once she's back in the country
[10:27] <Werdnus> "footage"?
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> explicit 'footage'
[10:27] <nalioth> c0nv1ct: you must be identified to services to /msg or /dcc folks
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Nice
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: All mine is on the computer, just some pictures and stuff with her, and I don't think it got anywhere else
[10:27] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I know my friend looked at it when we split a fifth of vodka and I passed out though
[10:27] <c0nv1ct> my roomate was a media arts major... crazy stuff is on tape out there of me
[10:28] <ubuntu> http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa_octopus.jpg
[10:28] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Hopefully not all explicit
[10:28] <ubuntu> there it  is
[10:28] <c0nv1ct> college was such a crazy drunken haze, i wouldnt even know
[10:29] <c0nv1ct> but luckily, i remembered what i learned in my linux classed :D
[10:29] <unholyskorn> how do i make it so kubuntu stops asking me for my fing password?
[10:29] <ubuntu> convlct I wish I was in  your class
[10:29] <Joshooa> and that means what to me?
[10:29] <c0nv1ct> Arizona man.... best place to go to college.... oh man
[10:29] <ubuntu> my teacher might have looked to be as if he were a lame duck compared to yours
[10:29] <posingaspopular> time to bomb some nsa!
[10:30] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: what doyou mean
[10:30] <c0nv1ct> 80 degrees at midnight... hotties are a dime a dozen.... i miss it
[10:30] <unholyskorn> every time i go to run stuff, it asks for password
[10:30] <unholyskorn> can i make it not? its geting pointless
[10:30] <posingaspopular> uh root password?
[10:30] <unholyskorn> no my neighbors password
[10:30] <unholyskorn> ...
[10:30] <c0nv1ct> unholyskorn: anything that requires adminstrator privilages, it'll ask for your PW
[10:31] <DaphBobo> is there a guide for installing beryl on kubuntu? all i see is for ubuntu and has something abt gnome?? so m  a lil bit confused
[10:31] <Ash-Fox> unholyskorn, their password is: 33hotrobin
[10:31] <ubuntu> server 2003 does this aswell
[10:31] <ubuntu> if you set a password
[10:31] <c0nv1ct> DaphBobo: the HOWTOs i;ve seen are regardless of gnome or kde
[10:31] <unholyskorn> USE ENVY
[10:31] <frit> lol c0nv1ct
[10:31] <unholyskorn> Get ENVY, use it to install your display drivers
[10:32] <ubuntu> techically mickeysoft should have made that default in every guest account
[10:32] <unholyskorn> Then install beryl
[10:32] <c0nv1ct> frit: i'm drunk, what'd i do?
[10:32] <ubuntu> as to set a freakng password
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> The guest accont is by default disabled on windows.
[10:34] <unholyskorn> ok someone help me with this before i get pissed off
[10:34] <frit> c0nv1ct: drink again !
[10:34] <unholyskorn> why do my applications not run 50% of the time
[10:34] <DaphBobo> unholyskorn, that waz for me?
[10:34] <ubuntu> not realy
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> You have to PUPOSELY enable it from a admin account.
[10:34] <unholyskorn> yes daph, use Envy to setup your video drivers correctly, then install beryl using adept
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> frit: i got 8 left... 18 pack doesnt last too long
[10:34] <ubuntu> its still used for file sharing between computers
[10:34] <DaphBobo> tjanx
[10:34] <frit> lol
[10:34] <frit> !time
[10:34] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[10:34] <ubuntu> thats why I say set a password
[10:34] <ubuntu> reguardless
[10:34] <frit> oO
[10:34] <unholyskorn> HELP ME
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> for root?
[10:34] <Ash-Fox> ubuntu, no it's not, that runs under 'everybody' group.
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> nm
[10:34] <ubuntu> guest in windows
[10:34] <frit> sudo ?
[10:34] <ubuntu> oh for root... macs could use one changed
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> oh, misread that, thought u left
[10:34] <Joshooa> If my wireless card is on the hardware list on Ubuntu, and it says on there that it installs and works "out of the box" but doesn't, what do I do?
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: what kind of wireless card?
[10:34] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: by what kind, i mean what chip
[10:34] <unholyskorn> get a new linux
[10:35] <Joshooa> ralink 61
[10:35] <Joshooa> I think
[10:35] <Joshooa> let me just check the site to be sure
[10:35] <ubuntu> ummm I thnk im safe in the serail ata department
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> not sure aobut that one
[10:35] <ubuntu> just need to install my ati driver
[10:35] <ubuntu> s
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> my Atheros(i think) worked fine
[10:35] <ubuntu> same
[10:35] <ubuntu> have
[10:35] <ubuntu> :D
[10:35] <c0nv1ct> Atheros is right?
[10:36] <Cugel> Just suffered a major crash -- keyboard and mouse just stopped working too. Irritating. Does anyone know where I can find some system log that could display the event?
[10:36] <ubuntu> last I checked
[10:36] <c0nv1ct> my memory fails me
[10:36] <deathnote> hi i have problem with a Ralink wireless card..its installed and can scan..but just couldn't connect to my wireless network
[10:36] <ubuntu> works in bsd as I read
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: /var/log/syslog
[10:36] <c0nv1ct> i impress my self with my drunken mind
[10:36] <ubuntu> hours ago
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: /var/log/messages
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: dmseg
[10:36] <deathnote> Cugel: dmesg
[10:36] <ubuntu> even ran the wifi prog
[10:37] <Joshooa> Hey, why don't I make my partitions reiserfs instead of ext3?
[10:37] <ubuntu> and to my surprise I could do things in kismet not normally in windows
[10:37] <deathnote> reisefs?
[10:37] <Joshooa> !reiserfs
[10:37] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[10:37] <cpk1> is there an autologin for kopete if you get disconnected?
[10:37] <Joshooa> That thing
[10:38] <c0nv1ct> whats the FTP client for KDE?
[10:38] <ubuntu> should do it automatically
[10:38] <posingaspopular> !ftp
[10:38] <ubuntu> tho
[10:38] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[10:38] <ubuntu> I have only been running it for a few hours
[10:38] <c0nv1ct> Konqueror? ok
[10:38] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys  I have the first card on the list
[10:38] <unholyskorn> Someone help me get beryl to load damnit
[10:39] <ubuntu> umm yea buh what chipset?
[10:39] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: then it should work :P
[10:39] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's what I thought, but it didn't
[10:39] <Joshooa> I had to do some crap, and I kinda forgot what
[10:39] <ubuntu> lol
[10:40] <ubuntu> diarea cha cha cha on the mind cha cha cha
[10:40] <paolo> hi
[10:40] <ubuntu> josh could be a reversion board
[10:40] <ubuntu> they may have changed the chipset
[10:41] <ubuntu> as anoying that is
[10:41] <Cugel> I have about a million messages in my log with 'udevd[2178] : add_to_rules: unknown key 'ATTRS{idVendor}'  -- anyknow an idea what it means?
[10:41] <c0nv1ct> can anyone assist me in setting up iptables for DCC transfers?
[10:41] <ubuntu> convl Im sticking to a nat router
[10:42] <ubuntu> and I think  you know why
[10:42] <alexicon> has anyone here setup flyspray in debian?
[10:42] <ubuntu> eek debain good luck
[10:42] <c0nv1ct> i've never gotten DCC to work through a router, but thankfully i'm not using a router now
[10:42] <ubuntu> convlct www.networkeverywhere.com
[10:42] <ubuntu> easy
[10:43] <cpk1> thats funny my black hole of a university allowed me to receive dcc's
[10:43] <c0nv1ct> i have a router, i choose not to use it :P
[10:43] <cpk1> and I think I can send them too
[10:43] <ubuntu> even can set the ident port to nowhere to become completely invisable
[10:43] <c0nv1ct> port forwarding only works for 1 internal IP, i prefer not to have that limitation
[10:44] <ubuntu> not on this one
[10:44] <Joshooa> Well I sh ould get some sleep for the interview, I'll be back later thanks for your help everyone
[10:44] <ubuntu> has more than port forwarding
[10:45] <ubuntu> I chose thisone for ease of use
[10:45] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: So, it's generally easy to get windows programs to work in Linux, like if I want to do network games I can do that?
[10:45] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i wouldnt say 'easy' but some stuff works
[10:45] <ubuntu> joshooa If I can run Damn small linux in windows
[10:46] <ubuntu> and browse webpages
[10:46] <ubuntu> .....
[10:46] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: most windows apps have a linux alternative, thats equal if not better
[10:46] <ubuntu> umm what about autocad
[10:46] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: But I mean like Doom 3 or Half Life 2 or Fable or Pocket Tanks and stuff
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: ID games have linux versions
[10:47] <ubuntu> half life is written for linux
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: not sure about Fable or Pocket Tanks
[10:47] <ubuntu> fable
[10:47] <unholyskorn> anyone get beryl to work?
[10:47] <ubuntu> not so sur
[10:47] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And I still like using Photoshop, and would like to learn it more cause it's so widely used
[10:47] <c0nv1ct> unholyskorn: ya
[10:47] <unholyskorn> can you help me out?
[10:47] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: How do I go about downloading a linux version of a game, or is it just using the same ISO image and it knows I'm in linux?
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: GIMP is the linux alternative.... though i hear its not as robust
[10:48] <ubuntu> joshooa get GIMP
[10:48] <kgraham> also get KDE
[10:48] <Joshooa> Yeah I heard GIMP wasn't as good either
[10:48] <ubuntu> dood
[10:48] <ubuntu> its not how good it is
[10:48] <ubuntu> its how you use it
[10:48] <Joshooa> SO glad I just download 11.5 hours of tutorials for Photoshop CS2
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> GIMP is pretty good, but then again, i wasnt a pro at photoshop
[10:48] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I was on my way to pro
[10:48] <c0nv1ct> lol yeah, i got mad video tutorials for adobe products
[10:49] <ubuntu> convlct I miss that magic eracer tool
[10:49] <ubuntu> made things way too easy
[10:49] <Joshooa> I want to be able to edit pictures and video files, and not sure what to use in Linux
[10:49] <c0nv1ct> i just edit stuff, resize, change colors, so GIMP works fine for me
[10:49] <kgraham> Kino for video files
[10:49] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: See, I was creating images and backgrounds and logos and stuff
[10:49] <ubuntu> think there is a crapload of video athor
[10:50] <c0nv1ct> i have ps CS2 in Vista, and i have to admit, i do like it better
[10:50] <Joshooa> yeah, I want to be able to make and edit movies for YouTube
[10:50] <deathnote> !photoshop
[10:50] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:50] <ubuntu> last I checked theres a linux distro for just that
[10:50] <ubuntu> only works in x86
[10:50] <ubuntu> buh Its called elive
[10:50] <c0nv1ct> i have seen people installing adobe/macromedia stuff in WINE though
[10:50] <Joshooa> and my best friend/future girlfriend is a Mass Com major and is WAY into video stuff and directing, so I want to be able to help with that
[10:50] <Joshooa> And can't use Adobe After Effects or anything anymore, well, as easily
[10:50] <Joshooa> I heard of VideoLinux
[10:51] <c0nv1ct> yeah :\ i keep Windows dual booted just for that kind of stuff
[10:51] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: See, that's what I was trying to do, but you all convinced me to not do it
[10:51] <deathnote> Joshooa: check out http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[10:51] <ubuntu> dude I can show you elive
[10:51] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And JUST have kubuntu
[10:51] <ubuntu> lemme get the link
[10:51] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i was not part of that :P
[10:51] <unholyskorn> god danm this thing
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> i'd love to remove MS from my computer... but i cant just yet
[10:52] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Thanks, I was just about go to bed, and now you got me all confused and worried again
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> i gotta have it there, just in case
[10:52] <ubuntu> ummm I just had a long beep
[10:52] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I've had Kubuntu for 4 days, and I'm ready to totally remove MS tomorrow
[10:52] <deathnote> Joshooa: look under video / photo editing
[10:52] <ubuntu> Im not sure if bios is telling me something
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: me too, its my life long quest
[10:52] <deathnote> jus apt-get those u want..its cool
[10:52] <kgraham> I've done it..and am a Video Engineer and not looking back to MS
[10:52] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: but untill i can play my games in linux, Vista stays on my other HDD
[10:53] <ubuntu> http://www.elivecd.org/
[10:53] <Joshooa> wtf it wont add the bookmark
[10:53] <Joshooa> I keep clicking add and it's just sitting there mocking me, not in my bookmarks menu!
[10:53] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: research it, you may be able to run those adobe apps in wine
[10:53] <Joshooa> oh fuck
[10:53] <deathnote> konqueor?
[10:53] <Joshooa> I closed it, and now I have like 20 bookmarks of it! :P
[10:54] <Joshooa> So i guess it was adding but not closing the dialogue box
[10:54] <ubuntu> lol
[10:54] <deathnote> lol...............
[10:54] <ubuntu> os lag
[10:54] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I am not switching over to Linux just to Emulate my Windows Experience though
[10:54] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I'm trying to go ALL open source if I can
[10:54] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: And if not, then I'll just dual boot
[10:54] <ubuntu> umm windows from a distance as I like to call it
[10:55] <unholyskorn> why is it every fing time i do something it says to do something fs up
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, that would be the goal, but honostly, not everything has a Linux equivelant
[10:55] <unholyskorn> it says add this to the repository, i do, and next time i run adept it crashes
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: not as long as MS has developers in their pocket
[10:55] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Then I'll just have to learn programming and make them
[10:55] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: please do! lol
[10:55] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I'll get ont hat
[10:56] <ubuntu> crap there it is again
[10:56] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I have excellent compuper skills
[10:56] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: make DirectX10 work in linux while yer at it :P
[10:56] <ubuntu> another long bios beep
[10:56] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Give me a week
[10:56] <unholyskorn> how do i fix a bad repository in adept?
[10:56] <deathnote> what do u mean by non-free packages? can u still install and use it without paying?
[10:56] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Although it doesn't even work in windows yet, so maybe 2
[10:56] <deathnote> eg: flashplugin-nonfree
[10:56] <deathnote> unholyskorn: check out /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <unholyskorn> i did death
[10:57] <unholyskorn> and i deleted the bad one
[10:57] <deathnote> what's in it?
[10:57] <unholyskorn> and the damn thing still errors out
[10:57] <premier_> I almost destroyed my operating system just now
[10:57] <unholyskorn> deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
[10:57] <unholyskorn> i added that fing thing like it said
[10:57] <unholyskorn> and it broke
[10:57] <deathnote> unholyskorn: after that u need to type apt-get update -y; apt-get upgrade -y; apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[10:57] <deathnote> unholyskorn: just do an apt-get update
[10:58] <deathnote> unholyskorn: after changes
[10:58] <unholyskorn> doesnt work
[10:58] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: So how do you suggest I set up my 40GB and 200GB Hard drives for Windows/Kubuntu/Media/Documents, hmm?
[10:58] <deathnote> error msg?
[10:58] <premier_> I hibernated, and then rebooted the computer, and it didnt recognized the saved state.  Then, I rebooted, and it did recognized the saved state, and it became corrupted
[10:58] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: i'd give Windows the 40gb, and Linux the 200gb
[10:58] <unholyskorn> deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
[10:58] <unholyskorn> unholyskorn@BlackdragonLinux:~$ apt-get update -y
[10:58] <unholyskorn> E: Malformed line 34 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[10:58] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: if you plan on using Linux for most of your activities
[10:58] <deathnote> premier_: what is corrupted? the whole harddisk or a file?
[10:58] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's what I was saying, but then I was told to make root on the 40, boot on the 200 and all this other crap that split them up
[10:59] <deathnote> unholyskorn: paste me the line 34?
[10:59] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I do, but 200 is also the slave
[10:59] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: right now, i have 250gb SATA drive for Vista, with just Adobe/Macromedia and Games, then 500gb SATA drive all for Ubuntu
[10:59] <ubuntu> eek got to shut down
[10:59] <ubuntu> keep geting a bios beep
[10:59] <premier_> deathnote: apparently the whole disk, at least the partition.  fsck demanded that it be run manually, and i did, then I just pressed "y" (for yes) over and over, and it seems to have fixed it all
[10:59] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: cuz i do all my downloading and mp3/video playing in linux
[11:00] <unholyskorn> why the F does this not run correctly
[11:00] <ubuntu> later ppl
[11:00] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: Yeah I want something like that, but I want the 40GB split into Windows installed, and Windows program install files (like Doom 3 Images), and then the 200GB into Swap, Kubuntu, Shared Music Drive, and then My Documents and stuff too
[11:00] <deathnote> premier_: hmmm so now there are some corrupted files? could it due to your harddisk is old and having some bad sectors?
[11:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: the tough part is deciding what you want Linux and Windows to share
[11:01] <deathnote> unholyskorn: paste me the line 34 in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:01] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: I t hink windows being installed is what messed up my wireless card, and also my ... something else was messed up but I forgot
[11:01] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: cuz Linux can read Windows, but not vise versa
[11:01] <unholyskorn> i fixed it death
[11:01] <deathnote> unholyskorn: so what's the new error msg?
[11:01] <premier_> deathnote: my laptop is only about 6 months old.  I think all the corrupted files are fixed... it boots anyway, and everything seems fine
[11:01] <unholyskorn> its fixed
[11:01] <unholyskorn> there was a wierd Y with two dots over it in the string
[11:02] <Joshooa> c0nv1ct: That's my hard part, but I want Windows to be able to see my documents, and the Media and Programs ones cause they are also going to be available on the network for my roommates to use, who could still install those Windows Programs
[11:02] <deathnote> premier_: oic.. try hibinate again and see if same thing happens?
[11:02] <deathnote> unholyskorn: huh?
[11:02] <deathnote> unholyskorn: ps aux | grep adapt
[11:02] <c0nv1ct> Joshooa: yeah, best bet is to put your MP3s and other media on a NTFS partition then
[11:02] <deathnote> unholyskorn: what u see?
[11:02] <premier_> deathnote: not sure... will I risk doing it again... or making it worse?
[11:03] <premier_> deathnote: btw, my usb devices seem to be preventing hibernation.  Can I disable checking on this or something?
[11:03] <deathnote> unholyskorn: ps aux | grep adept i mean
[11:03] <Joshooa> well this is fantastic
[11:03] <Joshooa> Now my drive is too full to empty the trash
[11:04] <premier_> Joshooa: lol
[11:04] <Joshooa> How does that even happen?
[11:04] <Joshooa> I can't delete anything, and I can't empty the trash, what now
[11:04] <deathnote> premier_: its better to simulate than avoid right? hehe
[11:04] <deathnote> premier_: let me try to hibernate my laptop..brb
[11:04] <premier_> guess
[11:04] <athlon> dang it. I asked this like an hour ago and forgot to check if anyone answered me. Let me try again.
[11:04] <athlon> I deleted my kubuntu-desktop package and now cant upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10.   Thats just asking for trouble, i think
[11:11] <posingaspopular> thats it
[11:11] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It doesn't do anything
[11:12] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: you're still having problems?
[11:12] <Joshooa> I mean it opens a window to him, but he wont ever respond
[11:12] <posingaspopular> type 'help'
[11:12] <unholyskorn> yes, im trying to get this stupid beryl to work
[11:12] <unholyskorn> i installed the ati drivers using envy
[11:12] <unholyskorn> i then installed xgl and such through adept
[11:12] <unholyskorn> then i installed beryl
[11:12] <posingaspopular> ah man you said beryl and ati.
[11:12] <posingaspopular> xgl AND beryl
[11:12] <posingaspopular> ?
[11:13] <unholyskorn> and i run it, and the icon loads but it wont go into it
[11:13] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: did that work.../
[11:13] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Did what work?
[11:13] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: do /msg NickServ
[11:13] <posingaspopular> then type help
[11:14] <Death-Angel> Bonjour tout le monde
[11:14] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It opens a window, but nothing happens
[11:14] <unholyskorn> whats wrong with xgl and beryl?
[11:14] <posingaspopular> yea, type 'help'
[11:14] <Joshooa> I say help
[11:14] <Death-Angel> erf it's a english chan :S
[11:14] <posingaspopular> ~fr
[11:14] <unholyskorn> Install Beryl on Ubuntu Edgy with XGL and ATI (Automatic installation)
[11:14] <posingaspopular> ~fr
[11:14] <unholyskorn> says it on thier site
[11:14] <posingaspopular> !fr
[11:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:15] <Death-Angel> thx ;)
[11:15] <posingaspopular> i dont touch beryl or xgl honestly
[11:15] <unholyskorn> :(
[11:15] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: you say help and...
[11:15] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: ..../
[11:15] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: try #beryl
[11:15] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: That's all that happens
[11:15] <unholyskorn> noone is in there talking
[11:15] <posingaspopular> or #ubuntu-effects
[11:16] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It shows me saying help, and that's it
[11:16] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: who are you messaging
[11:16] <Joshooa> posingaspopular<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:17] <posingaspopular> it should be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:17] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Oh, it's not... but if I try /msg nickserve, cause I did that once, it doesn't work and it tells me he's not there
[11:17] <c0nv1ct> crap, its late, i gotta sleep, cya guys
[11:18] <posingaspopular> SERV
[11:18] <posingaspopular> no e
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Same if I try adding @services
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I know
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: My point was that he's there
[11:18] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Otherwise it would tell me he's not
[11:19] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: But obviously, he's there and it's sending cause I don't get a user doesn't exist error
[11:19] <posingaspopular> how are you adding a '@services'
[11:19] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: I typed it in, but it still adds @irc.kde.org anyway
[11:19] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: But I thought I'd give it a try
[11:20] <posingaspopular> maybe one of the freenode ops can help you
[11:20] <posingaspopular> that makes no sense tome
[11:21] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Well I'll just go to bed, I'm tired of this, and also of not having enough free space to delete
[11:22] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: what part are you using
[11:22] <posingaspopular> to connect
[11:23] <Joshooa> part?
[11:23] <Joshooa> You mean Kopete?  I think it may be a Kopete problem
[11:23] <Joshooa> but I can message and talk with ubotu just fine
[11:23] <posingaspopular> port
[11:23] <posingaspopular> port
[11:23] <posingaspopular> !ubotu
[11:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:24] <posingaspopular> !nickserv
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickserv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <xnp> ! oxygen
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oxygen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <posingaspopular> !hydrogen
[11:24] <ubotu> hydrogen: Simple drum machine/step sequencer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-2 (edgy), package size 3267 kB, installed size 9192 kB
[11:24] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: i duno i dont use kopote
[11:24] <posingaspopular> konversation forme
[11:24] <posingaspopular> but night
[11:24] <Joshooa> !why you're so cool
[11:25] <Joshooa> heh
[11:25] <unholyskorn> !bawls
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bawls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <Joshooa> he sent me a message sa ying "I'm only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent"
[11:25] <Joshooa> !seamonkeys
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <Joshooa> I love being easily entertained
[11:25] <posingaspopular> !toasters
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toasters - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <stdin> !botabuse
[11:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:26] <Joshooa> !anything
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <posingaspopular> oppr right stdin
[11:26] <Joshooa> heh
[11:26] <posingaspopular> sorry
[11:26] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: people get banned for doing that
[11:26] <Joshooa> Ok I'm done
[11:27] <Joshooa> But I did make him say he doesn't know anything about anything
[11:27] <Joshooa> So, that was pretty cool
[11:27] <stdin> just /msg ubotu something instead of flooding the channel :)
[11:27] <Joshooa> I know, sorry
[11:27] <nelly26dragon> premier_ hey what does the k mean in kde?
[11:27] <posingaspopular> stdin: but he seriouslyshold know a thing or two about toasters
[11:27] <posingaspopular> !kde
[11:27] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[11:27] <stdin> nelly26dragon: the K means "K"
[11:27] <Joshooa> Kool?
[11:27] <premier_> nelly26dragon: it means kiss my...
[11:28] <nelly26dragon> oh thanks! Krispilicious it is
[11:28] <posingaspopular> whats the name of the kde dragon?
[11:28] <allan__> lol
[11:28] <Joshooa> Konqi
[11:28] <posingaspopular> oh k
[11:28] <Joshooa> isn't it/
[11:28] <nelly26dragon> 1 point for joshooa
[11:28] <unholyskorn> how do i delete a file in terminal under sudo?
[11:28] <Joshooa> woo!
[11:28] <unholyskorn> sudo del? lol
[11:28] <allan__> sudo rm.. heheh
[11:29] <allan__> gtg
[11:29] <posingaspopular> rm rt /filename
[11:29] <posingaspopular> iirc
[11:29] <Joshooa> does my point roll over till tomorrow if I go to bed now/
[11:29] <nelly26dragon> sure
[11:29] <nelly26dragon> as long as you barrel roll on your bed first
[11:29] <Joshooa> sweet
[11:29] <posingaspopular> !sleep | Joshooa
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sleep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:29] <posingaspopular> this bot is broken... :(
[11:29] <Joshooa> !abuse | posingaspopular
[11:29] <ubotu> posingaspopular: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:29] <premier_> Joshooa: for your trash problem, have you tried rm at the command line?
[11:30] <allan__> im running kubuntu under VirtualBoxx
[11:30] <frit`fonsday> how can i change the name displayed in a terminal ? those name -- > frit@frit-desktop:/$
[11:30] <Joshooa> premier_: Nope
[11:30] <allan__> its great...
[11:30] <Joshooa> Man I hate it when I forget to type cd first
[11:30] <unholyskorn> omg is it really 5:30 in the fing morning?
[11:31] <premier_> Joshooa: figure out the name and location of a file you want to delete, and then type "rm <name of file>" at the command line
[11:31] <stdin> frit`fonsday: by changing your username and hostname
[11:31] <Joshooa> and it tells me I'm a directory, and I'm like, "Uh... y eah, I know! Oh, wait"
[11:31] <frit`fonsday> nope unholyskorn its 11.31 am :D
[11:31] <Joshooa> premier_: Working on it, I'll let you know
[11:31] <unholyskorn> no its not
[11:31] <frit`fonsday> :p
[11:31] <nelly26dragon> unholyskorn yes it is! but it's only 2:31 here, but i love morning fings too! Lady fings with milk = yum
[11:31] <premier_> Joshooa: try a file, not a directory
[11:31] <unholyskorn> my sister in law is having a baby today
[11:32] <frit`fonsday> stdin: where can i change it so ? kde control panel ?
[11:32] <xnp> posingaspopular: what about hydrogen
[11:32] <Joshooa> premier_: It seems to have worked
[11:32] <posingaspopular> 4 30 all of you are crazy
[11:32] <premier_> good
[11:32] <nelly26dragon> yay!
[11:33] <premier_> Joshooa: do you think if you delete enough, you can get your trash to work again?
[11:33] <unholyskorn> my sister in law is having a baby boy today and she doesnt even got a name lol
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: I hope
[11:33] <posingaspopular> xnp: nothing i was justmessing around with thebot, but apparently hydrogen is real
[11:33] <Cugel> unholy: that's no uncommon...
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: But everything I wanted to delete is in the trash!
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: I don't kn ow what else to delete
[11:33] <premier_> Joshooa: thats a really bizarre error
[11:33] <unholyskorn> well you got 9+ fing months to choose 1 thing lol
[11:33] <premier_> can you navigate to your trash folder wth konqueror?
[11:33] <Joshooa> premier_: Yeah, I'm not too concerned cause I plan to reinstall everything tomorrow
[11:33] <unholyskorn> we had one for my daughter when she was like 3 months prego lol
[11:34] <Joshooa> premier_: Um, hold on
[11:34] <Cugel> Yeah in the end you just pick the first name that's on your mind.
[11:34] <nelly26dragon> Joshooa are you able to burn DVDs?
[11:34] <stdin> frit`fonsday: System Settings -> User Management (for the username) and System Settings -> Network Settings -> Domain Name System (for the hostname)
[11:34] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: baby sat two babies yesterday... nightmare.
[11:34] <unholyskorn> heh, i have a 2 and a half year old daughter, her name is Abigail
[11:34] <Joshooa> premier_: Yeah in it
[11:34] <Joshooa> nelly26dragon: Yes I did before
[11:34] <Joshooa> nelly26dragon: Haven't tried since this error
[11:35] <frit`fonsday> k thx a lot stdin :)
[11:35] <stdin> yw
[11:35] <premier_> Joshooa: to the biggest file, and right click, then select "copy"
[11:35] <Joshooa> nelly26dragon: But also I didn't have much luck with burning either, first it said 3.8GB was too much for my DVD, then when I finally got it, and it was verifying data, at 99.5% it failed
[11:35] <premier_> Joshooa: then go to the command line, type rm, and paste
[11:35] <Joshooa> premier_: ooh ok
[11:35] <premier_> then delete the part that says "file://"
[11:36] <Joshooa> premier_: No such file or directory
[11:36] <Joshooa> premier_: Even though I am looking at it in Konquerer
[11:36] <intelikey> i'm having a lot of dpkg errors installing things....   i'm having to edit the .postinst scripts to get past them...
[11:37] <Cugel> intelli: what kind of errors?
[11:37] <Joshooa> premier_: nvm
[11:37] <Cugel> the only errors I always get are dependency problems.
[11:37] <Joshooa> premier_: Did it again and it worked
[11:37] <unholyskorn> WHY WHY WHY WHY THE F does programs not work 50% of the time in kubuntu
[11:37] <intelikey> postinst script failed.
[11:37] <Joshooa> error is still there t  hough
[11:37] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: which ones?
[11:37] <posingaspopular> what version?
[11:37] <posingaspopular> etc
[11:37] <unholyskorn> everything
[11:37] <unholyskorn> from adept manager, to beryl manager
[11:38] <cpk1> how would I get wine to be run as a different user through my X session? wine .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Warcraft\ III/Frozen\ Throne.exe -opengl X:0 gets angry at me
[11:38] <unholyskorn> 50% of the time they sit there with the loading icon then dissapear
[11:38] <nelly26dragon> unholyskorn you have to think positively! "Good thing kubuntu runs programs 50% of the time instead of not working at all!"
[11:38] <posingaspopular> unholyskorn: its most likely a bad install
[11:38] <posingaspopular> that stuff happens
[11:38] <Joshooa> wow
[11:38] <Joshooa> So, when I do ls, what can I put after it to make it easier to read
[11:38] <Joshooa> cause if I try man ls, there's not enough room on the device
[11:39] <Joshooa> gzip: stdout: No space left on deviceman: command '/bin/gzip -dc /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz' failed with exit status 256
[11:39] <cpk1> ls -l has nice output imo
[11:39] <Joshooa> I tried that, it looked the same to me
[11:39] <Joshooa> oh no I see it now with the window maximize
[11:39] <Joshooa> d
[11:39] <intelikey> Joshooa what do you mean "easier to read" ?
[11:40] <Joshooa> intelikey: nvm i got it
[11:41] <Joshooa> Okay, so I deleted EVERYTHING but one thing I can't figure out how to type right, with rm, still have error, still can't man anything
[11:41] <posingaspopular> blackflag: sorry to bother you, dig the nick though
[11:41] <unholyskorn> good thing 50%?
[11:41] <unholyskorn> ill just go back to windows if thats the case
[11:41] <intelikey> Joshooa /tmp full ?
[11:41] <unholyskorn> ive never had a distro run like such crap
[11:42] <unholyskorn> hell im thinkin about goin back to suse if this is how this thing runs lol
[11:42] <intelikey> or /var/cache/man full ?
[11:42] <nelly26dragon> unholyskorn anything as long as it isn't mac
[11:43] <intelikey> or M$
[11:44] <Joshooa> intelikey: I don't know how do I check
[11:44] <intelikey> Joshooa df -h
[11:44] <Joshooa> how do I see what's in my root folder with Konqueror
[11:44] <intelikey> are any of the mounted devices more than 90% used up ?
[11:44] <intelikey> Joshooa you "show hidden files"
[11:44] <nelly26dragon> how much space do you have left on your hard drive anyways joshooa?
[11:44] <intelikey> in konq's menus
[11:44] <Joshooa> that doesn't show tmp or var in terminal
[11:44] <Joshooa> just my /dev/hda2             7.4G  7.4G     0 100% /
[11:44] <Joshooa> intelikey: Thnx
[11:45] <intelikey> yeah it shows / and both may be on /
[11:45] <premier_> besides kubuntu are there any distros that are particularly "good" ie they dont give the user a lot of trouble or break all the time?
[11:45] <Joshooa> intelikey: That's so funny, cause I had that on to get to my trash, then re hid them when I was done
[11:45] <intelikey> ok that's the problem.   what did you copy there ?
[11:45] <premier_> Joshooa: your hard drive is very small.  Is it an old computer?
[11:45] <Joshooa> ubuntu was more stable for me, but not as pretty
[11:45] <intelikey> Joshooa how did you fill up / ?
[11:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: Nothing, I tried deleting a DVD image and some video clips that were on my desktop, they moved to the trash, and then that's where my problem came from
[11:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: I was almost full, so I copied those to my other computer, then sent to trash, went to empty trash, and now I'm here
[11:46] <Joshooa> intelikey: But I've already went into ttrash and rm all of those, and then shift+del the last one
[11:46] <intelikey> Joshooa and you don't have a seperate /home partition i see...    empty the trash.
[11:47] <Joshooa> intelikey: You didn't see this whole problem did you?
[11:47] <intelikey> no
[11:47] <Joshooa> intelikey: That IS the problem, it wont let me empty the trash, cause I don't have enough room
[11:47] <intelikey> just came in.
[11:47] <nelly26dragon> joshooa are u not able to restore then delete without putting it in the trash?
[11:47] <Joshooa> no
[11:48] <Joshooa> no opion to restore, if I open trash, now it's empty cause I manually rm everything, but my drive is still 100% full
[11:48] <intelikey> Joshooa ok.   in the konsole   sudo rm -r ~/local/trash        "if that's the correct address"
[11:48] <xnp> anybody know about the program linux multimedia studio
[11:49] <Joshooa> well it seemed to rm, but, stil 100% full
[11:49] <intelikey> didn't you have like 200g of space ?
[11:49] <Joshooa> On my other drive
[11:49] <Joshooa> right now I'm running off an 8GB partition in my 40 GB HD
[11:49] <Joshooa> Cause I was testing out Kubuntu
[11:49] <Joshooa> But tomorrow I should be re-installed with much more space
[11:50] <intelikey> ok.
[11:50] <Joshooa> Still not sure If I'll have windows or not
[11:50] <rappie>
[11:50] <nelly26dragon> keep windows for backup
[11:50] <Joshooa> But then I have to do more partitions!
[11:50] <Joshooa> But I may, that is my original thought
[11:50] <Joshooa> Backup, cause I know how to use it, and to play games in
[11:51] <nelly26dragon> you never know when you'll need to jump through the windows for emergency purposes
[11:51] <Joshooa> Plus, I've collected a lot of software over the years, and being in dial up that whole time, I'd hate to just delete all my programs and stuff I have for windows
[11:51] <premier_> Joshooa: if you have the money, you should by an external hard drive, then backup windows onto it and start using linux
[11:51] <nelly26dragon> very true
[11:51] <nelly26dragon> very yes
[11:51] <Joshooa> premier_: I don't
[11:52] <premier_> zannen desu ne
[11:52] <intelikey> Joshooa you might sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop     *that will dump you into a console, don't panic! *    login and sudo rm what ever trash there is clean out /tmp   sudo rm -r /tmp/*  and   sudo rm -r /tmp/.???*   then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start   see if it fixes it.
[11:53] <nelly26dragon> btw i'm not sure if you SHOULD really be trying to keep system files for 2 Operating systems on that 40 gig hard drive
[11:53] <nelly26dragon> that'll take up too much space
[11:53] <nelly26dragon> especially the windows stuff
[11:53] <Joshooa> premier_: What I want to do, is take my 40GB, install WIndows on it, and copy over all the Windows related software, then partition my 200GB into Swap, Kubuntu, Shared Media, and Documents drives
[11:53] <intelikey> might clean out ~/.kde/*/cache too
[11:53] <Joshooa> intelikey: Will do, brb
[11:53] <Joshooa> wait
[11:53] <Joshooa> should I write all this down before I do this?
[11:54] <posingaspopular> yes
[11:54] <posingaspopular> !
[11:54] <intelikey> when you issue the kdm stop command you will be killing X and everything in it
[11:54] <Joshooa> Okay
[11:54] <ForgeAus> hey inteli :)
[11:54] <Joshooa> Problem with that
[11:54] <intelikey> ForgeAus
[11:54] <ForgeAus> you'll be glad to know I'm in kubuntu chatting to you now :)
[11:54] <Joshooa> I don't think I can get back online if I do th at, cause I don't think my wireless card setting will hold, cause they never do
[11:54] <ForgeAus> (not like XP yesterday)
[11:54] <Joshooa> Way to go Forge!
[11:55] <Joshooa> Not sure what's going on, but not in XP = Good
[11:55] <intelikey> Joshooa it's not a reboot.
[11:55] <Joshooa> intelikey: I still don't want to risk it, plus I am copying files over my network right now
[11:55] <intelikey> well that would be broken.
[11:56] <Joshooa> Yeah
[11:56] <intelikey> but i don't think you would loose connectivity.
[11:56] <Joshooa> Also
[11:56] <Joshooa> I can't even delete files off of my hdb1
[11:56] <intelikey> you would break the dl.    or  ul  which ever it is.
[11:56] <Joshooa> ul
[11:56] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: permissions
[11:57] <Joshooa> Taking everything off my computer so that tomorrow I can erase all my hard drives
[11:57] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: It wont let me change permissions, I can change the drop down menu, but when I hit okay, it tells me no
[11:58] <posingaspopular> Joshooa: computers are crazy...
[11:58] <Joshooa> posingaspopular: Yeah
[11:58] <Joshooa> Is there a way I can get GPart to boot off my USB and then put that in, and then boot up, and use it to format both drives into all the partitions I want?
[11:58] <intelikey> yeah.  it's weird.  they call it "deleting"   when you click and "move to trash"  but what it does is makes two copies on the hd and they call that deleting.... heh
[11:58] <posingaspopular> !grub
[11:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:58] <Joshooa> and THEN do my installs, without having to do the partitioning during Windows/Kubuntu install?
[11:59] <Lynoure> Joshooa: there is a gpart livecd. Maybe that could be tweaked to run off usb drive, too.
[11:59] <Joshooa> Lynoure: I think so, I read something about it, but not  how to or anything, but I believe there is
[11:59] <Lynoure> Joshooa: but it does fit on a business card cdrom, so that's quite tiny too
[11:59] <Joshooa> Lynoure: Although I can't use my hard drive to get any files so I don't know what I'll do about that
[11:59] <intelikey> Joshooa nope.  the gui installer insists on formating the / or it wont install
[12:00] <intelikey> sick i know, but imo the whole gui installer is sick.
[12:00] <Joshooa> intelikey: You don't have to format
[12:00] <intelikey> on the live CD ?
[12:00] <intelikey> yeah you have to format /
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: Someone on a forum was trying to do an install and didn't want to format, he didn't
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: Although, I am both new and not positive I know what he's talking about, so I'll just believe you
[12:01] <intelikey> unless they changed it between dapper and edgy you do.
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: He was trying to dual install 5.1 and 6.1
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: I remember that much
[12:01] <Joshooa> intelikey: And he asked, "If I choose format drive, will it erase everything?"
[12:02] <intelikey> 5.10 and 6.10 ?
[12:02] <Joshooa> intelikey: Uh...  yeah
[12:02] <intelikey> the numbers are year.month
[12:02] <Joshooa> intelikey: ok
[12:02] <intelikey> so 6.06 is the same as 6.6  but 6.10 != 6.1
[12:03] <intelikey> see the differance ?