[00:00] <ChrisiPK> i had kde-runtime files installed, so after logging in, kde started
[00:00] <ChrisiPK> at least some basic kde environment
[00:00] <ChrisiPK> i removed those, as i do not want to use kde
[00:00] <Viper1432> you removed nvidia current...and now you are having issues.  well...you need to go to xorg.conf, and verify what its trying to load.
[00:00] <ChrisiPK> and now gnome doesn't start at all, just restarts
[00:01] <Viper1432> good chance, xorg is pointing to something not "there" now.
[00:01] <Viper1432> you can get there by ctrl+alt+f1, login at the prompt, and then use nano to open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and check it.
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> i am looking at it right now
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> Driver "nvidia"
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> that is the line, i suppose
[00:02] <Viper1432> there is the problem.
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> well, i do have nvidia-kernel-common installed
[00:02] <ChrisiPK> doesn't that contain the basic files i need?
[00:03] <Viper1432> under lucid jockey does the install of stuff now.  its not like karmic was.
[00:04] <Viper1432> So...you removed stuff needed to boot into X.  change that driver listing in xorg to say..."nv" or to be safe "vesa", and give it another shot.  THEN  use the hardware driver applet (jockey) from system/admin and have it install the nvidia driver recommended for your box.
[00:05] <ChrisiPK> will do, thanks
[00:05] <ChrisiPK> by the way, if it cannot find the driver, it should complain about that someplace, right?
[00:06] <Viper1432> vesa is a good fallback ChrisiPK .
[00:07] <ChrisiPK> i edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf~
[00:07] <ChrisiPK> is that the right file?
[00:07] <ChrisiPK> cuz i changed it to vesa and the issue is still the same
[00:07] <Viper1432> the ~ is a temp indicator.  you want the "xorg.conf" file with no tilde'
[00:08] <ChrisiPK> that file does not exist
[00:08] <Viper1432> do you have /home in a separate partition?
[00:08] <ChrisiPK> no, not on this machine
[00:08] <Viper1432> sigh.
[00:08] <ChrisiPK> strange...locate tells me it is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but dir and nano tell me it's not there
[00:10] <Viper1432> The problem is that its damn difficult to troubleshoot this after the person has gone and deleted various things.  I personally would take the beta2 disc and do a fresh upgrade...better yet, put /home on a sep partition and do a clean install with it.  I'm using two different test boxes, and am not having any issues at all with nvidia prop. and lucid.
[00:11] <ChrisiPK> i see...well, actually i'd rather not go this way, so thanks for your help :)
[00:11] <Viper1432> good luck with that.
[00:12] <ChrisiPK> thanks
[00:13] <Nattgew> ChrisPK: I think that you have the same bug as the one you mentioned... at least I did, and mine was marked a duplicate of that one
[00:13] <Nattgew> ChrisiPK
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> Nattgew, i read that bug report and it says that gdm already freezes when you click the user
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> that is not the case for me
[00:14] <Nattgew> wasn't for me, either
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> also, the comments say you can bypass this by deinstalling the gdm themes
[00:14] <ChrisiPK> didn't work for me
[00:15] <Nattgew> hmm, good to know, i'll have to look at that again, then
[00:17] <AutoBot> anyone know of the largest issue with beta 2 currently?
[00:18] <ChrisiPK> not being able to log in seems pretty severe to me ;)
[00:18] <ChrisiPK> any higher bids? ;)
[00:19] <genii> Scrambled TTYs ... ?
[00:19] <yofel> we have a few... boot freezes when fsck is being run, the live disks can't boot sometimes and plymouth still seems to randomly fail sometimes
[00:20] <yofel> you'll find much more on LP...
[00:20] <BUGabundo> oh look who is back
[00:20] <BUGabundo> in time to hit the bed :)
[00:20] <BUGabundo> yofel: let go off the keyboard....
[00:20] <BUGabundo> slowlly
[00:21] <yofel> haha, no, I finished what I wanted to do today and though I would check what's going on :D
[00:21] <yofel> *thought
[00:22] <ChrisiPK> ohwell...vesa is not loading ^^
[00:23] <Tominator> hi! I've got a problem with subdomains and other domains... I just installed ubuntu lucid server and the config for the subdomains (which i had in debian etch) don't work anymore... I don't know why
[00:23] <AutoBot> yofel: yes I have the plymouth issue, nothing else really
[00:25] <danny> Hello
[00:26] <DanaG> hmm, I usually like having desktop_is_home_dir set.... it makes it easy to open any of the documents or pictures (or such) dirs.
[00:26] <BUGabundo> Tominator: that's quite a jump
[00:27] <danny> joao I did a clean install. There was no other way as there was no bug
[00:27] <Tominator> BUGabundo: jap
[00:27] <BUGabundo> jap?
[00:27] <danny> joa?
[00:27] <Tominator> yes it is :)
[00:28] <danny> BUGabundo: how do I let the Ubuntu team my problem?
[00:28] <danny> Since it's not a bug
[00:28] <BUGabundo> danny: beats me! if its not a prob why do you want to let anyone know ?
[00:28] <h4f> where can I get vmlinuz-2.6.31-17-generic ?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> you could try the forums
[00:28] <BUGabundo> or LP anwsers
[00:29] <BUGabundo> h4f: LP ? or kernel team PPA
[00:29] <danny> Because I want them to know there are idiots out there who mess up their Ubuntu and there should be some kind of restore point.
[00:29] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[00:29] <BUGabundo> so what did you do ?
[00:30] <danny> I don't know. All I did today was trying to enable my computer to work with SCIM so I can type Japanese. I did but my unicode got messed up so I had to do a clean install.
[00:30] <Andre_Gondim> does any one have problem with gwibber, doesn't apears nothing in main windows
[00:31] <dos123> do you mean a time machine like thing for ubuntu?
[00:31] <danny> はい
[00:31] <danny> yes
[00:32] <danny> Something where you can restore your settings back to a time where all worked well.
[00:32] <DanaG> heh, gwibber is even more broken for me... I have to manually edit the source file to change int(font-size) to eval(font-size).
[00:32] <dos123> i dont need it, i just pull the livecd out the stay
[00:32] <danny> Can you restore settings with a Live CD?
[00:32] <AutoBot> danny: what settings are you having problems with
[00:33] <dos123> i dont trust and use ubuntu in real cases
[00:33] <AutoBot> danny: nm I see SCIM and unicode
[00:33] <danny> Well now it's too late, but I was having trouble with inserting unicode.
[00:33] <danny> Thanks anyway. :)
[00:33] <dos123> i use only default settings
[00:33] <AutoBot> lol
[00:34] <dos123> lol+1
[00:34] <danny> Well everything is fine for now. I'll just upgrade to LTS the 29th
[00:34] <DanaG> hmm, I find it a bit odd that the default desktop is 100% empty.
[00:34] <DanaG> Is it supposed to be like that?
[00:34] <AutoBot> DanaG: yes
[00:35] <AutoBot> DanaG: what did you expect to be on the desktop?
[00:35] <log|in> is free porn an aceptibal answer?
[00:35] <AutoBot> log|in: haha yes
[00:35] <dos123> how many people really pay for lts service?
[00:35] <maco> its not an appropriate answer
[00:36] <log|in> ok well i didnt say it
[00:36] <virtuald> didn't there use to be a circle of naked friends?
[00:36] <AutoBot> maco: he said aceptibal not acceptable ;)
[00:36] <DanaG> Hmm, I'd expect mounted volumes, or a shortcut to "computer", or such. maybe.
[00:36] <virtuald> though that's far from porn :p
[00:36] <log|in> ok well i have something i need help with
[00:36] <astronouth7303> of course free porn isn't appropriate. That wasn't the question.
[00:37] <maco> DanaG: mounted *external* volumes do show on the desktop i think
[00:37] <log|in> i upgrated from beta 1 to beta 2 but now my wifi card isnt working
[00:37] <log|in> any ideas why?
[00:37] <log|in> i have no network interface options atall
[00:37] <AutoBot> log|in: anything relevant in dmesg?
[00:37] <log|in> im not in it now
[00:37] <log|in> i would have to reboot to find out
[00:37] <AutoBot> log|in: your switch is off
[00:37] <dos123> log|in, your keyboard are screwed up
[00:38] <log|in> no 3 beers in a hour :P
[00:38] <dos123> my multi-task dos has no such crap problem
[00:38] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the "Ubuntu Netbook 2D" session doesn't have the netbook type panel setup.
[00:39] <log|in> so no help?
[00:39] <AutoBot> DanaG: I have no idea what Netbook 2D is
[00:40] <DanaG> !info netbook-launcher-efl
[00:40] <AutoBot> I wouldn't call that light
[00:40] <AutoBot> oh nm it's lite
[00:41] <DanaG> Enlightenment Foundation Libraries... or something like that.
[00:41] <DanaG> Good for NV17, which is lé suck.
[00:42] <amalthea> hello, i have problems with onboard nvidia. are there something known? i have a geforce 6100 nforce 405 chipset. after boot there is not the language choice and choice to install or use livecd. it came a windows (anfter some crashes of x i mean) that shows... configure xserver (dont work), use terminal or safe graphic-mode. when i use the safe-mode the livecd directly boot. are there any problems known like this? would it be fixed until release? i
[00:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Is there an easy way to see what packages have been added to a repo since the last release? I moved from 9.04, skipped 9.10, and now Im on 10.04 beta2. Im curious to see what apps are new to choose from.
[00:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Beside surfing through the whole list
[00:43] <AutoBot> LinuxGuy2009: added or updated?
[00:43] <LinuxGuy2009> Added
[00:44] <ChrisiPK> Viper1432, just in case you're still here...i managed to load the nvidia-current drivers, but the issue still persists...i'm not really sure this is related to the nvidia drivers at all
[00:45] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: what issue are you having?
[00:45] <ChrisiPK> gnome restarts after i enter my password
[00:46] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: from a fresh install?
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> nope, upgrade from karmic
[00:46] <yofel> where do you enter the password? login screen?
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> yes
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> i get the list with the accounts, click my account and enter my pass
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> and then i restarts
[00:46] <ChrisiPK> and takes me back to the list
[00:46] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: gdm restarts or X
[00:47] <ChrisiPK> dunno...how do i know the difference?
[00:47] <nomnex>  can someone help with the lucid ambience radiance them in the lucid beta2? what do I need to change the round icon to the simple windows icons (e.g. Dust theme)
[00:47] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm really starting to wonder if anyone is working on the resource usage problem by policykit
[00:47] <yofel> ChrisiPK: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old tell you something after it crashes?
[00:47] <jdsbluedevl> bug number 426556
[00:47] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: by checking the X log I guess
[00:47] <yofel> bug 426556
[00:47] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: System->prefs->appearance?
[00:48] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: theme tab?
[00:48] <jdsbluedevl> I mean, none of the developers are answering my cries, no one cares on the forums, and no one is sure caring here the past few days
[00:48] <DanaG> hmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/547124
[00:48] <DanaG> arfghjkl
[00:48] <DanaG> or rather,
[00:48] <jdsbluedevl> in other words, I think I'm starting to get fed up
[00:48] <DanaG> AAARfghkl
[00:49] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: I would imagine you have already reported your found issue?
[00:49] <jdsbluedevl> yes, bug 426556
[00:49] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, to have the widnows control Dust icons (called simple) and only these 3 controls in the theme Radiance/Ambiance?
[00:50] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: All you can really do is sit back and wait. If the bug is not critical or does not effect many users then I would imagine it will take time.
[00:50] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: Im sorry I dont clearly understand you.
[00:50] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, yofel i have no idea, what should be in Xorg.0.log.old, so here's the entire thing: http://nopaste.php-q.net/278270
[00:50] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: can you at least set the bug as affecting you if you didn't do that yet and set the status to confirmed?
[00:50] <jdsbluedevl> LinuxGuy2009: how is a bug that sucks up so much CPU not critical?  That's what's really bugging me about the developers' priorities
[00:50] <AutoBot> LinuxGuy2009: well you can continue to search for a patch, but other then that your right
[00:50] <jdsbluedevl> yofel: how do I set it to confirmed?
[00:51] <yofel> ChrisiPK: thanks, looking
[00:51] <yofel> jdsbluedevl: login and click on the button besides 'New' and select 'Confirmed'
[00:51] <DanaG> weird, policykit is being fine for me.
[00:51] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: me as well
[00:51] <ChrisiPK> thanks
[00:51] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: Bug status is invalid.
[00:52] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, it's me, sorry about the English. I want to change in Radiance/Ambiance theme the window controls (the closle/min/max). I don't like the OSX design of the button. I want to replace them by the simple buttons (as they are in the Dust theme by example). Does it make sense?
[00:52] <jdsbluedevl> LinuxGuy2009: bug status on one of the packages is invalid, but not the bug
[00:52] <DanaG> oh eyah, you can just go to "advanced" and change the window border theme.
[00:53] <jdsbluedevl> ok, moved status on PolicyKit from "new" to "confirmed"
[00:53] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: it must be gdm crashing
[00:54] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: gconf-editor edit is needed to change the control layout.
[00:54] <ChrisiPK> so what log do i look at?
[00:54] <jdsbluedevl> does clicking on "nominate for release" nominate it for critical status?
[00:54] <jdsbluedevl> what bugs the hell out of me is that this bug has been unresolved since 9/6/2009
[00:54] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[00:54] <ZykoticK9> !controls | nomnex
[00:55] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: Try that
[00:55] <jdsbluedevl> and frankly, I'm getting sick of the non-response
[00:55] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I'm not sure where gdm logging is stored
[00:55] <DanaG> argh, soft-reboot with nouveau gives me a screen full of garbage, and an unreadable grub.
[00:55] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot,  /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log
[00:55] <ChrisiPK> i suppose...
[00:55] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: Thats what happens when your a tester. Have to be patient and put up with bugs and issues until fixed.
[00:55] <DanaG> It even tramples on the BIOS splash!
[00:56] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: that seems likely :P
[00:56] <yofel> ChrisiPK: do you have any files in /var/crash/ ?
[00:56] <ChrisiPK> yofel, yes, four...one of them has "gnome-settings-daemon" in the file name
[00:56] <jdsbluedevl> LinuxGuy2009: I expected that when the PulseAudio thing happened in Karmic beta.  It persisted through today.  That's why I'm getting angry
[00:56] <DanaG> It also shows old contents of video RAM (such as plymouth).
[00:56] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: "menu:maximize,minimize,close" is the old layout so you know.
[00:57] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, gconf-editor let's me change the layout, not the icons. How to I change the round icons to the simple icons in both radiance/ambiance?
[00:57] <jdsbluedevl> the fact that I have to re-set the alsamixer every single time I boot up my computer has me jaded
[00:58] <jdsbluedevl> oh sure, I put in a hack so that it starts up at 85% each time on Master and PCM, but that isn't fixing it
[00:58] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: customize in appearance window. Can change the window control theme.
[00:58] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: window border
[00:58] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log http://nopaste.php-q.net/278271
[00:58] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: checking
[00:58] <ChrisiPK> thx
[00:59] <LinuxGuy2009> jdsbluedevl: If you need stability and a rock solid release then perhaps 8.04.4 LTS until new LTS is finished?
[00:59] <yofel> ChrisiPK: does 'dmesg | grep segfault' give you something?
[01:00] <ChrisiPK> nope yofel
[01:00] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: are you using german localazation?
[01:00] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, yes
[01:00] <yofel> ok, then nothing crashes that apport could catch
[01:00] <yofel> hm...
[01:00] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: just making sure
[01:00] <ChrisiPK> do you need me to translate that?
[01:00] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: you may need to run strace on gdm
[01:01] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, I know that, but I don't want to change the window border, only the icons (that's all) and keep the default themes. I don't know about themes, is there a theme editor?
[01:01] <ChrisiPK> uh okay...if you tell me how to do that
[01:01] <AutoBot> strace gdm
[01:01] <ChrisiPK> just like that on tty1?
[01:01] <yofel> ChrisiPK, AutoBot: wait
[01:01] <AutoBot> yofel: ok
[01:01]  * ChrisiPK waits
[01:01]  * AutoBot takes a shot
[01:02] <yofel> gdm is a service, he should rather start it and then attach strace to gdm with 'strace -p PID'
[01:02] <LinuxGuy2009> nomnex: If you want to use all of Ambience/Radiance except for the window control icons, then you need to go to customize and choose the window border for dust etc. Dont like it then your out of luck.
[01:02] <AutoBot> yofel: ok didn't know that
[01:02] <yofel> 'ps -e | grep gdm' should show the PID of gdm
[01:03] <ChrisiPK> yofel, what pid do i want? gdm-binary?
[01:03] <yofel> ChrisiPK: actually not sure, I use kdm here so I can't check
[01:03] <nomnex> LinuxGuy2009, I see, well thanks (and I am out of luck)
[01:03] <yofel> ChrisiPK: try what you find
[01:04] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: gdm-binary would be right I believe
[01:04] <ChrisiPK> okay
[01:05] <ChrisiPK> so now what? i try to login again?
[01:06] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: let me see the results
[01:06] <yofel> yes, then go back and see what was the last it did before it crashed
[01:06] <ChrisiPK> oh geee that's a looooot of stuff
[01:06] <ChrisiPK> i should probably have put that into a file....
[01:06] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: pipe it
[01:07] <ChrisiPK> uhm...is that right, that the PID doesn't change after it restarts?
[01:08] <AutoBot> not sure, usually the PID does change
[01:08] <ChrisiPK> that's what i was thinking...
[01:08] <ChrisiPK> anyway, will try again, this time into a file
[01:08] <AutoBot> ok
[01:09] <yofel> ChrisiPK: to log it to a file run it with "2>/path/to/logfile"
[01:09] <LinuxGuy2009> What is mean in software center by "Featured Applications"?
[01:09] <LinuxGuy2009> meant*
[01:09] <ChrisiPK> is that 2 accidental or do i need that?
[01:09] <yofel> ChrisiPK: you need it
[01:09] <ChrisiPK> ok will do
[01:10] <yofel> strace prints everything to stderr not stdout (please don't ask me why, I don't know)
[01:11] <DanaG> it does that in case you want to pipe the normal stdout to somewhere... you can then still strace.
[01:11] <yofel> ah, that makes sense
[01:11] <DanaG> oh yeah, and if you go thingy >& file
[01:11] <DanaG> it will redirect both stderr and stdout to there.
[01:11] <AutoBot> DanaG: nice3
[01:12] <ChrisiPK> oh wow, that is a 22 megabyte file
[01:12] <yofel> huuuh, didn't know that one yet, I usually used '>fiile 2>&1'
[01:12] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: should have put a tail on it also
[01:13] <ChrisiPK> how much of the output do you need?
[01:13] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: maybe the last 50 lines
[01:14] <ChrisiPK> actuallly that doesn't really look very interesting...
[01:14] <ChrisiPK> http://nopaste.php-q.net/278273
[01:15] <ChrisiPK> i suppose that is not the right pid
[01:15] <yofel> o.O
[01:15] <ChrisiPK> i'll try with gdm-greeter
[01:15] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: maybe it isn't let me look and see what you got
[01:16] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: yes thats no good, what were looking for is what is causing gdm to die
[01:16] <ChrisiPK> yea, i'll try with the pid of /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-simple-greeter
[01:16] <ChrisiPK> that one seems to have been restarted
[01:16] <yofel> now we need to find out what crashes, if the pid doesn't change then gdm-binary at least doesn't crash
[01:17] <ChrisiPK> along with /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-session-worker
[01:17] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: like it calls this .so and that .so then crash
[01:17] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:17] <ChrisiPK> will try with greeter
[01:18] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I'm in windows or I would be able to tell you which process to run the strace on
[01:18] <ChrisiPK> well, those are the only two with a higher PID
[01:18] <ChrisiPK> so i suppose those are the ones that crashed
[01:18] <hackeron> hey, any ideas about this? < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/+bug/557566
[01:19] <AutoBot> I wonder why it's not making it into a crash log
[01:20] <ChrisiPK> http://nopaste.php-q.net/278275
[01:20] <AutoBot> looking
[01:21] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: between that paste and the first one it seems as if some files may be missing
[01:23] <ChrisiPK> what files?
[01:24] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I'm not sure, it also mentions something that seems relevant to Bug #539440
[01:25] <ChrisiPK> so you're saying i should try again once that bug has been resolved?
[01:26] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:26] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: no that bug is i386 and your x86_64 ?
[01:26] <ChrisiPK> yes
[01:28] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:28] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: and what is your video driver?
[01:28] <ChrisiPK> nvidia
[01:28] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: ok thought so
[01:28] <ChrisiPK> i installed the nvidia-current package
[01:28] <ChrisiPK> and it is loaded
[01:28] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: it is related to that bug then
[01:29] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:29] <ChrisiPK> well, i removed that package and the problem persisted....
[01:30] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:30] <AutoBot> bug #553200
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> AutoBot, i saw that bug, but that is different: i can select a user without a problem
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> i can even enter the password
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> and it even checks the password
[01:31] <nishanth> i turned off acpi; my sound controlling device do not work does anyone know how to fix it?
[01:31] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I was reading that for myself
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:31] <ChrisiPK> sry
[01:32] <yofel> nishanth: we heard you, please don't post the same question over and over
[01:32] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: but for your issue
[01:32] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: it seems your going to have to not use gdm for now
[01:32] <ChrisiPK> i see
[01:32] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: or don't use the nvidia drivers
[01:32] <ChrisiPK> that doesn't fix the issue
[01:33] <AutoBot> really
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> well, as i said, i removed the nvidia-current package
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> and all other nvidia packages i could find
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> what more can i do to not use the drivers?
[01:33] <yofel> then try another desktop manager for now, that way we'll see if it's gdm or something else during gnome login
[01:33] <ChrisiPK> kde works fine
[01:34] <ChrisiPK> but it uses the same login
[01:34] <yofel> ChrisiPK: if you removed the package then you shouldn't be using nvidia (actually try lsmod | grep nvidia to check)
[01:35] <yofel> hm, odd, but if you have kde installed anyway, can you try it with kdm?
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> i removed kde
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> because instead of gnome, it started kde
[01:35] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: could you log into gnome through kdm?
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> and i was wondering whether it would start gdm when i removed kde
[01:35] <yofel> you should be able to select that...
[01:35] <ChrisiPK> so i removed kde and got the current issue...
[01:36] <ChrisiPK> so what do i do now? install kde oder remove nvidia-current?
[01:36] <yofel> ChrisiPK: well, try to at least install kdm again and try to login to gnome from there
[01:37] <ChrisiPK> ok it asks me whether i want to use gdm oder kdm...what do i select?
[01:37] <yofel> kdm
[01:37] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:37] <ChrisiPK> last time i selected gdm
[01:38] <ChrisiPK> which gave me the gnome greeter screen
[01:38] <ChrisiPK> but after login, it started kde
[01:38] <yofel> once it's finished, use 'sudo stop gdm && sudo start kdm'
[01:38] <yofel> ChrisiPK: as I said, you should be able to select gnome/KDE at the gdm screen
[01:38] <ChrisiPK> i didn't find that option
[01:38] <yofel> or they messed so much with gdm since I stopped using it that I'm wrong
[01:39] <ChrisiPK> yes, i remember that you could pick that in earlier version
[01:39] <ChrisiPK> s
[01:39] <ChrisiPK> but i'm not sure whether you still can
[01:40] <ChrisiPK> ok, i'm lookin at the kde login right now
[01:41] <ChrisiPK> what do i do?
[01:42] <yofel> sec
[01:43] <yofel> ChrisiPK: use the blue arrow to select the session and then use username and pw to login
[01:43] <ChrisiPK> the blue arrow allows me to select from "standard, KDE, guest-restricted, xterm, abgesichert"
[01:44] <ChrisiPK> last one is german for "safe mode"
[01:44] <ChrisiPK> but nothing about gdm
[01:44] <RussellAlan> i am on a dv9000 pavilion i saw the driver updates for my wireless card, now i dont know where to redownload them
[01:44] <RussellAlan> can someone help
[01:44] <yofel> ChrisiPK: then you might have removed some part of gnome... try to remove ubuntu-desktop and install it again (not reinstall)
[01:45] <ChrisiPK> gnaaah now it tells me it cannot start ksmserver
[01:45] <ChrisiPK> _that_ is a problem with nvidia
[01:45] <yofel> ChrisiPK: and I'm german so don't worry about it (wan't to join us in #ubuntu-de+1? jedoch nicht viel los um die uhrzeit)
[01:46] <ChrisiPK> well, if AutoBot is gone, i don't see why not
[01:46] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I am back
[01:46] <ChrisiPK> ok
[01:46] <yofel> ChrisiPK: anyway, tried to install ubuntu-desktop?
[01:47] <AutoBot> quick eater
[01:47] <ChrisiPK> at it right now
[01:47] <RussellAlan> When I did the download from karmic koala to lucid lynx, I saw option to install drivers for my wireless card in this HP Pavilion dv9000, can someone direct me back to the screen where I can install them?
[01:47] <RussellAlan> Please
[01:47] <ChrisiPK> ah i didn't have it installed anyway
[01:47] <ChrisiPK> i suppose i removed that when i removed the soungs
[01:48] <ChrisiPK> *sounds
[01:48] <ChrisiPK> anyway, installing right now
[01:49] <yofel> RussellAlan: not sure what you mean, we have the Hardware Drivers application for proprietary drivers
[01:49] <RussellAlan> yofel: Well I still cant connect with a wireless settings setup priper
[01:49] <Blue11> anyone having problems running wine under lucid?
[01:50] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: what are you installing currently
[01:50] <ChrisiPK> ubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <AutoBot> that was what I was going to suggest as a last resort
[01:51] <jrendas> does anyone know if when I delete one file using "sudo rm file" it can be recovered?
[01:51] <AutoBot> jrendas: not by any normal methods
[01:51] <DanaG> weird... netbook-launcher's icon labels change from 2-line labels to 1-line labels on hover.
[01:51] <ChrisiPK> jrendas, google for it, that's a fairly regular question
[01:52] <DanaG> Now, if only I could get those stupid toshiba hotkeys to work...
[01:52] <AutoBot> jrendas: I'm sure there are applications to help recover files, like in windows
[01:53] <AutoBot> jrendas: I just don't know of any offhand
[01:53] <jrendas> yes, I tried ntfsundelete
[01:53] <jrendas> but with no results
[01:53] <AutoBot> jrendas: on a ntfs
[01:53] <AutoBot> jrendas: drive
[01:54] <jrendas> its my windows drive (C:) and i deleted it using ubuntu
[01:54] <AutoBot> jrendas: you may be better off using a windows based tool if at all possible
[01:54] <jrendas> i tried that already
[01:54] <ChrisiPK> aaah it's running :)
[01:54] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: ahhhhhh
[01:54] <ChrisiPK> i wonder whether i should dare to try and reinstall the themes....
[01:54] <yofel> so something was missing after all
[01:55] <gatlin> with beta2 on amd64 nforce chipset, boot hung for a long time.  So I disabled the splash screen and this is what came up:
[01:55] <gatlin> http://bayimg.com/Halkpaacn (safe, promise)
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> probably...dunno
[01:55] <AutoBot> yofel: thats what I thought
[01:55] <yofel> ChrisiPK: what themes?
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> didn't remove any gnome stuff
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> yofel, the bug report about the related problem suggested that this could be bypassed by removing the gnome themes
[01:55] <ChrisiPK> i tried that
[01:55] <gatlin> and then those last 2 lines repeat forever
[01:56] <yofel> hm, can't help there as I don't use gnome
[01:56] <ChrisiPK> ah what the hell, i'll try ;)
[01:56] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I read that also
[01:56] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I would, nothing better than breaking something you just fixed :)
[01:57] <ChrisiPK> yup ^^
[02:02] <ChrisiPK> huh still works :)
[02:02] <ChrisiPK> great, thanks for your help
[02:03] <gatlin> has anyone else had any boot errors?
[02:05] <yofel> gatlin: for some reason it repeatedly tries to access the floppy drive
[02:05] <gatlin> is that what fd0 means?
[02:05]  * gatlin learns something
[02:06] <gatlin> I suppose I should disable that in the bios, though this was something that started happening between alpha3 and beta1
[02:06] <yofel> gatlin: I'm not sure if that will help, but you could try to add '--no-floppy' to the kernel line
[02:06] <gatlin> thank you, I think I might
[02:10] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: gdm with themes is working now?
[02:10] <AutoBot> ChrisiPK: I was away
[02:10] <DanaG> argh, stupid toshiba proprietary acpi hotkeys.
[02:10] <AutoBot> DanaG: not as bad as Dell ;)
[02:10] <DanaG> Are you sure?
[02:11] <DanaG> Right now the hotkeys on this old toshiba laptop don't work at all.
[02:11] <DanaG> They send acpi events, not keycodes.
[02:11] <AutoBot> DanaG: I've had both, it's the same really
[02:11] <DanaG> And the display-switch hotkey instead just kills nouveau (white screen).
[02:11] <AutoBot> DanaG: same functionality not same method necessarily
[02:11] <mazda01> trying to find out how to disable some startup services in lucid now that it changes to service versus init.d. any help?
[02:12] <AutoBot> mazda01: it's in the Administration menu
[02:12] <AutoBot> Startup Items
[02:12] <AutoBot> or something like that
[02:13] <mazda01> don't have a gui, thanks anyway though.
[02:13] <AutoBot> mazda01: oh
[02:13] <White-Horse> hi guys
[02:13] <AutoBot> mazda01: I'm an init.d man for cli so I don't know either
[02:13] <White-Horse> does anyone here know if 10.04 will support wireless N ?
[02:14] <AutoBot> hello
[02:14] <AutoBot> White-Horse: why wouldn't it?
[02:14] <mazda01> AutoBot: well, maybe init.d will still work.  what would I enter using init.d
[02:14] <White-Horse> cause 9.10 does not
[02:14] <DanaG> AutoBot: normally, I expect a hotkey to send a key event, not slaughter the video driver.
[02:14] <AutoBot> DanaG: I agree, thats is not the correct way to function
[02:15] <AutoBot> White-Horse: what wlan card?
[02:15] <White-Horse> Intel PRO 5100 ABGN
[02:15] <AutoBot> mazda01: /etc/init.d/something start
[02:15] <yofel> mazda01: some scripts still use sysvinit scripts, those can be configured like always, upstart isn't quite configurable yet...
[02:15] <DanaG> 2.6.34-rc1 kernel has a newer toshiba_acpi that actually sends keycodes... though it's missing a few of them.
[02:15] <AutoBot> mazda01: service start something?
[02:16] <AutoBot> DanaG: can't you make it send what you want in some way?
[02:16] <yofel> mazda01: you want to remove them from auto-starting on boot?
[02:16] <AutoBot> rename the S to K or is it the other way round'
[02:16] <mazda01> AutoBot: im not talking about stopping or starting it. i am talking about permanently stopping it from starting.
[02:17] <yofel> mazda01: for sysvinit (init.d) scripts, see in /etc/rc2.d/
[02:18] <mazda01> yofel: isn;'t there some command to remove a startup script from all run levels?
[02:18] <yofel> there is, update-rc.d I think
[02:18] <cyberanger> anyone here having kernel issues? a few people are having a kernel issue 2.6.32-20
[02:19] <yofel> mazda01: for upstarts scripts in /etc/init I fear you'll have to edit the start on statements in the configuration files by hand if you don't want it to auto-start
[02:19] <AutoBot> I thought <IP_ADDRESS> or 19 was current
[02:19] <cyberanger> 20 just hit the repos today
[02:19] <AutoBot> . = -
[02:20] <cyberanger> 19 had been out
[02:20] <AutoBot> I still have 19, no problems so far with it
[02:20] <cyberanger> not sure how long, but I'm using that one now, installed 20, no go
[02:20] <DanaG> on this old laptop, ubuntu-netbook would be way better than winxp... if not for Toshiba's stupidity.
[02:20] <cyberanger> I'm not alone on that either
[02:20] <yofel> mazda01: read up on  bug 94065 maybe
[02:21] <mazda01> yofel: the command  is sudo update-rc.d lirc disable  that disables the scrtip but leaves it for future use.
[02:21] <AutoBot> DanaG: I love old hardware, but sometimes it's more trouble then it's worth
[02:23] <emma> when is the release of lucid?
[02:24] <yofel> !schedule | emma
[02:24] <DanaG> great, the only kernel it's usable with is 2.6.34-rc1... and that demands xorg-edgers.
[02:29] <AutoBot_> did I timeout
[02:29] <AutoBot_> ahhh
[02:30] <myrl> do you like the purple boot screen?
[02:31] <bjsnider> anybody who wants bleeding edge vlc/vaapi/ffmpeg for lucid give it a shot: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/cutting-edge-multimedia
[02:32] <White-Horse> here is my output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/412863/
[02:33] <tristan__> will wireless for an asus eeepc 1001p be supported in lucid?
[02:34] <White-Horse> wireless G yes
[02:34] <myrl> do you like the purple boot screen?
[02:34] <White-Horse> not sure about wireless N
[02:34] <AutoBot_> bjsnider: is that cutting edge or semi-tested
[02:35] <White-Horse> has anyone looked at this yet ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/412863/
[02:35] <bjsnider> AutoBot_, works well here
[02:38] <White-Horse> emma last i heard it will be April 29th, 2010.
[02:41] <AutoBot_> bjsnider: thanks, I was looking for vlc that will do :)
[02:43] <mazda01> how do i see all processes that are actually taking up memory? when I look at top, i see a whole bunch of stuff that isn;'t even using memry
[02:45] <AutoBot_> mazda01: ps -a
[02:46] <AutoBot_> ps -aux
[02:58] <mazda01> trying to get it so that all i have is a command line login, no gdm or wdm, i also don;t want plymouth to start. how to do this in lucid?
[02:59] <chris4585> mazda01, well you can either disable gdm or uninstall it
[03:00] <mazda01> ok, disabled wdm. what about plymouth? i have a process running called plymouthd
[03:00] <mazda01> i tried to disable it with sudp update-rc.d plymouthd disable, but it doesn't contain a startup script in init.d
[03:00] <chris4585> I don't know about disabling plymouth.
[03:02] <yofel> mazda01: you can remove the 'splash' option from grub, but if you want to completely disable it fiddle around with the init script
[03:02] <DanaG> I can't, in good conscience, set up Ubuntu on this old Toshiba, for somebody who lives way across the country.
[03:02] <DanaG> Too much stuff broken by Toshiba's stupidity / proprietary-ness.
[03:03] <mazda01> yofel: i just got done saying, there is no init script for plymouth. not in my lucid
[03:03] <yofel> mazda01: plymouth doesn't use sysvinit but upstart, edit the start on statement in /etc/init/plymouth.conf (I think, there are several plymouth files)
[03:13] <mawst> What's the beta 2 version of KDE?
[03:13] <mawst> I just installed k3b and it looks nice, makes me want to give it a shot again.
[03:13] <nhaines> 4.4?
[03:14] <yofel> 4.4.2
[03:23] <mazda01> yofel: are you serious? how do i know what to change?
[03:30] <yofel> mazda01: did you check the bug I told you about earlier? upstart isn't that easy to configure at the moment, so if you're unsure, just remove the splash option from grub
[03:30] <mazda01> yofel: did that for now. thanks
[03:31] <yofel> mazda01: actually, just commenting the 'start on' lines out should disable an upstart script
[03:38] <Micc> time to upgrade my desktop now.
[03:41] <Micc> I couldn't upgrade my laptop. I had to reinstall.
[03:44] <woodyjlw> ubuntu 10.4 is awesome!  it is better and faster than any other ubuntu so far.  and it finally fixed my amd ati laptop wake and suspend problems....very excited so far
[03:44] <TommyThaGun> woodyjlw, I agree
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> they still haven't fixed the mocrophone problem with my laptop though
[03:45] <Berzerker> ok this is really irritating me
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> ?
[03:45] <Berzerker> bash: /home/andrew/Documents/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/adb: No such file or directory
[03:45] <Berzerker> I'm looking at the file right now
[03:45] <Berzerker> it's in that exact path
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[03:47] <woodyjlw> only problem I have had is with wicd
[03:48] <woodyjlw> but I am sure it will be fixed in future or by release date of 10.04
[03:48] <Berzerker> maybe I'm doing my path wrong
[03:48] <Berzerker> export PATH=${PATH}:/home/andrew/Documents/android-sdk-linux_86/tools/:.
[03:48] <Berzerker> no?
[03:48] <chris4585> Berzerker, what kind of file is it? when you load a file in a program usually its in a buffered state, so its possibly to delete a file when you're using it
[03:49] <Berzerker> chris4585: uhm...I've added it to paths before...
[03:51] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to set up the indicator applet? to maybe add my prefered mail client
[04:22] <Ninja_> Are the buttons in Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 going to be on the left permanently? (For Final Version and future releases?
[04:23] <chris4585> Ninja_, probably
[04:23] <Ninja_> Ok thanks.
[04:23] <chris4585> you can change the placement though pretty easily
[04:23] <Berzerker> chris4585: any idea on my adb problem? it's not something that get deleted when used
[04:23] <astro73|tod> You know how when you try to fix something and you only make it worse?
[04:23] <chris4585> Berzerker, sorry I really have no idea
[04:24] <astro73|tod> I now need more help than I originally filed a bug for (LP#560506)
[04:25] <astro73|tod> I can't get any bootable media I have to run on my system. Not lucid, not UNR. Not chromium os.
[04:26] <astro73|tod> None of them work
[04:26] <MikeChelen> check the bios options
[04:29] <astro73|tod> I did. That's how I broke it in the first place. Restoring it doesn't fix it.
[04:31] <nhaines> astro73|tod: What exactly did you check?
[04:32] <astro73|tod> the video setting
[04:32] <astro73|tod> auto, internal, PCIe, PCI
[04:32] <astro73|tod> before, it only worked if you selected internal (my card is PCIe)
[04:32] <astro73|tod> and by "before", I mean since I built the system close to 3yrs ago
[04:34] <astro73|tod> but after changing it (as per comment #25 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/560506), I can't get it working
[04:34] <astro73|tod> restoring the old setting doesn't work
[04:39] <Blue11> anyone know how to install java for windows (windows firefox) under wine - I get "uncompression of download file failed" error
[04:42] <qwertyjustin> other users logged into their own user account can still access my home files, im on ubuntu 9.10
[04:43] <qwertyjustin> how do i stop this?
[04:43] <mawst> I have a weird issue.... I have a wireless network and a wired network. When I enable the wired one I can't view websites... is there a way to tell the system to use one for networking and the other for inet?
[04:43] <nhaines> qwertyjustin: this channel is for support for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.  You may find better support in #ubuntu
[04:43] <nhaines> But what I would do is check the directory permissions for your home directory.
[04:44] <nhaines> mawst: both your LAN and Internet connections are "networking".  There's no difference to the system.
[04:44] <mawst> Well I hope you catch my drift at any rate,.
[04:44] <mawst> :D
[04:44] <nhaines> You'd have to modify your routing tables if you wanted to force traffic to one interface or the other.
[04:45] <nhaines> Yeah, it's important to understand they're both IPv4 networks as far as your computer's concerned.  Not as important while asking us though.  :)
[04:46] <mawst> can't I just set a system wide df gw
[04:47] <mawst> oh duh
[04:47] <mawst> I just found the problem.
[04:47] <Blue11> got it!  go to here http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and grab the offline version and install that
[04:47] <mawst> HEH
[04:56] <astro73|tod> I don't suppose anyone else has fixed their nvidia issues, have they?
[04:57] <chris4585> astro73|tod, what kind of nvidia issues?
[04:57] <astro73|tod> The kind where you don't have OpenGL, go and try to fix it, and end up with a system that refuses to run linux
[04:58] <astro73|tod> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/560506?comments=all
[04:58] <steen444> im going to install ubuntu for my parents, they just use thunderbird + firefox   ...  would it be better to install 10.04 Beta 2 then upgrade to final, or just go for 9.10 then upgrade to 10.04 final when it comes out?
[04:59] <bjsnider> there can't be any such nvidia issue
[04:59] <bjsnider> it's impossible. all we're doing is packaging pre-build libs and building an unpatched kernel module. it's completely out of our hands
[05:00] <astro73|tod> so should I call up nvidia tech support?
[05:00] <astro73|tod> or Intel's tech support? (it's their motherboard)
[05:01] <Zenker> how do i silence that music that plays when this os starts up?
[05:01] <chris4585> astro73|tod, in your bios boot menu, is anything selected to boot?
[05:01] <bjsnider> astro73|tod, your hardware could somehow be broken i suppose
[05:01] <astro73|tod> yes
[05:02] <chris4585> astro73|tod, that was the problem right?
[05:02] <astro73|tod> except it was working when I initially filed the bug
[05:02] <astro73|tod> and it's been working since I bought it
[05:02] <astro73|tod> I was even running compiz before I upgraded
[05:03] <astro73|tod> if I was going to place hardware blame, it would probably be on the motherboard
[05:03] <Guest001> steen444: Do not use Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 nor 9.10, there are many issues . If u like to use I suggest use ArchLinux, Fedora, Suse very flexible than ubuntu . In 9.10 and 10.04, bug problem is Internal mircrophone , sound, no voice or video chat
[05:05] <steen444> Guest001: they're pretty simple users, just firefox and thunderbird :)
[05:05] <astro73|tod> steen444: I would advise you using 9.10. Hardware issues vary widely, but I think for the most part it works
[05:06] <steen444> astro73|tod: ok, ill go with 9.10 thanks
[05:06] <Guest001> steen444: My recommendation suggestion is Windows or Mac
[05:06] <tritium> Guest001: you must be having some issues specific to your hardware, as all those things you list work, in general.
[05:07] <Guest001> astro73|tod:Ubuntu 9.10 10.04 are not reliable, many bugs
[05:07] <steen444> Guest001: thanks mate, are used to ubuntu already though
[05:08] <tritium> Guest001: do you need assistance with 10.04?
[05:08] <astro73|tod> Guest001: If you're not here for support, shut up and clear off.
[05:08] <Guest001> tritium: Yes I need assistance 10.04
[05:08] <tritium> Guest001: then ask for it, rather than simply recommend against using it.
[05:08] <Guest001>  tritium: If u can help me on internal microphone or sound recorder issue
[05:09] <tritium> What hardware?
[05:09] <Guest001> tritium: This is a simple ...
[05:09] <tritium> A simple what?
[05:09] <Guest001> DELL Hardware
[05:09] <Guest001> Simple because it is Sound Recorder
[05:10] <chris4585> astro73|tod, hrm so you have an onboard video card and an independent video card?
[05:10] <steen444> geez...
[05:10] <Guest001> but facing many issues. (.04 wasgood but when it comes sound architecture to pulseaudio, hen it faces many problem
[05:11] <Guest001>  but facing many issues. (9.04 was good but when it comes sound architecture to pulseaudio, hen it faces many problem
[05:11] <Zenker> how do i disable the start up music?
[05:12] <astro73|tod> chris4585: yes. The onboard video is an intel integrated memory controller/video accelerator
[05:12] <chris4585> Zenker, in the System menu > preferences > startup > uncheck login sound
[05:12] <tritium> Guest001: please don't /query.  State the specifics of your issue.  Otherwise, if you're just another archlinux troll, I can help you /part the channel.
[05:12] <astro73|tod> the video card is a PCIe Geforce ... something
[05:12] <liamsan2> Hello, I recently upgraded ubuntu to  lucid and upon upgrading the tray icons for pidgin are blank, i tried replacing the files in /usr/share/pixmaps/pidgin but it doesn't work
[05:13] <Peddy> a
[05:13] <chris4585> astro73|tod, have you tried switching in the bios to use the PCIe card?
[05:13] <KB1JWQ> tritium: \o/
[05:13] <owen1> the video-out key is not working anymore (xev showing it but i don't see the screen on the TV). anyone else have this issue? where can i report it?
[05:13] <voss749> astro, pcie geforce something.... 6, 7, 8 ,9 ?
[05:14] <astro73|tod> yes. That's proved problematic since I bought the card. When I change BIOS to PCIe, the kernel fails to load
[05:14] <Peddy> Hello, I want to upgrade from Karmic to Lucid using the alternate install CD, but in cdromupgrade, it downloads additional updates from the internet, even when I tell it not to. Is there a workaround for this?
[05:14] <astro73|tod> voss749: 8, i think. It's hard to check since the system refuses to boot currently
[05:14] <Zenker> chris4585 thank you
[05:15] <voss749> astro, You might just have a bad video card
[05:15] <astro73|tod> there's more details in the files I posted in LP#560506
[05:15] <chris4585> Zenker, no problem
[05:15] <voss749> Astro, what brand of video card is it?
[05:15] <Zenker> it seemed not a logical place to find such an option ;)
[05:17] <astro73|tod> XFX GeForce 8600GT. (I just pulled the video card out)
[05:18] <voss749> What version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:18] <voss749> Sorry dumb question
[05:18] <bjsnider> i didn't think there was  such a thing as an 8600gt
[05:18] <astro73|tod> 10.04, but it's had that problem since I bought the card a few years back
[05:18] <astro73|tod> (this is #ubuntu+1)
[05:19] <owen1> where to submit bugs for 10.4?
[05:19] <voss749> astro, does the motherboard have on-board video?
[05:19] <astro73|tod> That's what it says on the label. You want a picture?
[05:19] <astro73|tod> yes. Intel. I don't know what it is off-hand
[05:20] <voss749> Of course there is an 8600gt
[05:20] <astro73|tod> and I can't exactly pull that out to look
[05:20] <astro73|tod> the mobo is an Intel DG965RY
[05:21] <astro73|tod> so I'm guessing the video is a G965, in a GM965
[05:21] <Guest001> tritium: Here is the issue - internal microphone, speakers and Headphones are detected properly. I can play music and video sound but not recording.when i do a record, sliding level moves but when I playblack, no sound.
[05:21] <voss749> astro, You might try booting up under motherboard video then installing the 1.95 nvidia drivers and then reinstalling the nvidia card.
[05:21] <astro73|tod> (it's actually on the same chip as the memory controller)
[05:22] <tritium> Guest001: pulseaudio is not new to 10.04.  Have you tried reading any of the following?
[05:22] <tritium> !sound
[05:22] <voss749> I had some glitchy stuff happen when I tried to upgrade my quad core system with an 9800 card.
[05:22] <Guest001> tritium: Sound Input is Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[05:22] <astro73|tod> voss, you mean reinstall? I just installed lucid. We're talking about software changes over hours
[05:23] <voss749> astro, no I mean physically reinstall the card
[05:23] <bjsnider> astro73|tod, what was the result when you first installed lucid and activated nvidia-current?
[05:23] <Guest001> tritium: Yes I read about pulseaudio
[05:24] <voss749> my problem is when the nvidia current was first installed it didnt work so uninstalled and reinstalled the driver
[05:24] <astro73|tod> X worked but I had no OpenGL, as outlined in LP#650605
[05:24] <Guest001> tritium: From 9.10 and 10.04 , You cannot see Microphone on Input tab for Sound Preferences . Microphone has changed to Capture in ALSAMIXER
[05:24] <voss749> I was upgrading from 9.1 to 10.4
[05:25] <bjsnider> sarvatt is probably right that you hadn't actually activated nvidia-current and were using nouveau instead
[05:25] <Guest001> tritium: Let me know if u need any other information
[05:26] <voss749> Nouveau for the lack of a better word...sucks
[05:26] <astro73|tod> voss: it's currently booting, should I reinstall the nvidia driver?
[05:26] <voss749> astro, yeah couldnt hurt
[05:26] <bjsnider> voss749, how do you figure that?
[05:26] <voss749> bj, specific please
[05:27] <tritium> Guest001: beyond reading about pulseaudio, please try the sound troubleshooting
[05:27] <bjsnider> how do you figure that nouveau sucks
[05:27] <astro73|tod> so Xorg was using nouveau despite nvidia being referenced in xorg.conf and jockey saying it was activated?
[05:27] <voss749> Nvidia cards are 3d cards, by definition drivers for 3d cards that do not support 3d...suck
[05:28] <astro73|tod> and nvidia-settings was still happy
[05:28] <bjsnider> not really, no
[05:28] <bjsnider> gl is a small part of a desktop environment
[05:29] <Guest001> tritium: wot you want to try from Sound Troubleshooting. Sound is working fine. I can play music, watch Videos but not Sound Recorder or Voice Call chat via Empathy/Skype
[05:29] <voss749> bj, If all I need is 2d acceleration, motherboard video will work fine for that
[05:30] <bullgard4_> [Ubuntu 9.10] '~$ sudo do-release-upgrade; No new release found.' How should I upgrade to Ubuntu 10.4 Beta 2 now?
[05:30] <astro73|tod> (note to self: clean up packages and cut down on boot time)
[05:30] <voss749> bullgard try sudo update-manager -d
[05:31] <bjsnider> that's a very odd way of looking at things. nouveau does a lot of good things, even some thing like randr 1.2 that the blob doesn't
[05:31] <Blue11> bullgard4_: backup /home/ and /etc/ and then do a fresh install
[05:33] <voss749> bjsnider, you dont get a laptop with an 8200m chipset to do 2d graphics, an intel 845 chipset will do that. You get 8200m chipset so you can play 3d stuff and eventually hard accelerated flash
[05:33] <thebishop> i'm getting a strange flickering on my Laptop display (intel 4500MHD chip).  it looks like a hardware problem, but i don't see it on windows
[05:34] <bjsnider> what 3d stuff?
[05:34] <bullgard4_> Blue11: I have done backup /home and /etc. Why do you suggest a fresh install?
[05:35] <Blue11> bullgard4_: in the end, you'll have less problems.  upgrades have been problematic
[05:35] <voss749> I play eve online with wine
[05:35] <Blue11> voss749: ?
[05:35] <bullgard4_> Blue11: General statements are not helpful.
[05:35] <AK> Guys, anybody has upgraded the latest software update for 10.04 Beta 2 on Kernel 2.6.32-20
[05:35] <voss749> Wine uses open gl
[05:36] <voss749> bullgard did you try update-manager -d?
[05:36] <Blue11> bullgard4_: sorry best I can do.  my experience has shown me, that's it's better to backup/restore then to upgrade things don't always go as planned during an upgrade
[05:36] <bullgard4_> voss749: Thank you very much for your help. --  Yes.
[05:37] <AK> Guys, anybody has upgraded the latest software update for 10.04 Beta 2 on Kernel 2.6.32-20 . Is it safe to do a distribution updates , any issues
[05:37] <Blue11> AK still on .19 here
[05:37] <voss749> blue ive had fewer problems upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 than any other upgrade ive ever done with ubuntu
[05:37] <AK> Bluell: I got now Update manage window
[05:37] <Blue11> voss749: i guess the old adage is true - YMMV (your mileage may vary)
[05:37] <AK> which says new Kernel
[05:37] <AK> 2.6.32-20
[05:38] <Blue11> AK I have not updated today
[05:38] <voss749> blue, so far ive successfully upgraded a desktop, and 2 netbooks
[05:38] <bjsnider> many lucid packages are not far from their karmic versions, like for instance the entire multimedia system. same ffmpeg, same mplayer, same gstreamer, same vlc etc.
[05:38] <astro73|tom> It seems that the webchat is not without it's downsides
[05:38] <astro73|tom> did I miss anything?
[05:39] <voss749> The only thats annoyed me about 10.04 is they didnt bring in the latest version of freeciv, and the whole buttons on the left crap :)
[05:39] <AK> Bluell: New Distribution included latest Kernel, server and pulseaudio
[05:39] <Blue11> voss749: Ymmv -- that has not been my experience - I always backup, fresh install, then restore -- some of the libs get broken and those can be a pain to fix
[05:39] <AK> 43.4 MB files and 30 items
[05:40] <bjsnider> voss749, more power to you for trying to use linux as a gaming platform. it never will be that, and you won't have hardware accelerated flash playback until adobe fires the whiners they have working on the linux plugin
[05:40] <bjsnider> in other words, never
[05:40] <voss749> bjsnider, 10.1 currently in beta has hardware accelerated flash for linux
[05:41] <bjsnider> does it really?
[05:41] <bjsnider> awesome
[05:41] <AK> yes it is awsome
[05:41] <astro73|tom> 10.10 is in beta?
[05:41] <Blue11> yup new kernel avail d/l now
[05:41] <Blue11> astro73|tom: I heard it was still in alpha
[05:41] <astro73|tom> or did you mean 10.04?
[05:42] <voss749> Flash 10.1
[05:42] <astro73|tom> oh
[05:42] <Blue11> astro73|tom: big change in 10.10 - they are going to report file sizes in decimal
[05:42] <AK> Blue11: Installation Process going on...
[05:42] <Blue11> AK same -
[05:43] <voss749> Adobe flash 10.1 supports hardware accleration of flash
[05:43] <astro73|tom> so I see my little video problem has desolved into holy wars
[05:43]  * Blue11 can't wait till flash is dead, jim!
[05:43] <bjsnider> voss749, not for linux it doesn't
[05:43] <voss749> bj, yes it does
[05:43] <bjsnider> no it does not
[05:44] <voss749> The only one it doesnt support is h.264
[05:45] <AK> Blue11: Can u check from your Sound --> Preferences ---> Multimedia System Selectors, what is Default output and input plugin and device selected for audio?
[05:45] <Blue11> AK omw (on my way)
[05:46] <Blue11> AK I have system/preferences/sound but no multimedia thing
[05:47] <AK> You can get multimedia things from Main Menu
[05:47] <AK> Bluell: Your Multimedia things is hide
[05:48] <bjsnider> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2010/01/solving_different_problems.html
[05:48] <Blue11> AK not on my system
[05:48] <bjsnider> mike melanson explains in that deranged rant why linux will never have any kind of accelerated video support
[05:48] <AK> Bluell: Go to system ---> Preferences ---> Main Menu --> then u can see system prefernces
[05:49] <Blue11> AK ahh okay I had never noticed a main menu before hang on
[05:49] <Blue11> AK still no multimedia
[05:50] <AK> Bluell: You can put a check mark, where u can see sound settings for audio and video
[05:50] <voss749> bj, your right
[05:50] <astro73|tom> mount isn't happy if you mention a non-existant filesystem (unionfs) in fstab
[05:50] <Damascene> any one using ubuntu-netbook launcher?
[05:50] <Blue11> AK okay let me schlep a minute
; settings is there check it properly
[05:51] <Blue11> AK got it
[05:51] <Blue11> AK says it's using gstreamer
[05:52] <astro73|tom> ok, i'm reinstalling nvidia and removing nouvou and nv
[05:52] <AK> Blue11: You will see 2 tab Audio and Video
[05:52] <Blue11> okay gonna reboot into .20 brb (hopfully)
[05:52] <Blue11> AK okay let me look
[05:53] <AK> Meanwhile I,m rebooting my system back in .20 seconds
[05:53] <Blue11> I am at System/Preferences/Main Menu/System/Preferences/Multi media System selector
[05:53] <Blue11> me too
[05:58] <voss749> In two-tenths of a second? thats fast! ;-)
[05:58] <astro73|tom> woot! I have a boot screen
[05:59] <voss749> ....and there was much rejoicing...yeah
[06:01] <astro73|tom> except i'm not sure i can convince xorg to use the geforce exclusively
[06:01] <Blue11> voss749: I am on .20
[06:01] <EdgEy> I don't think my monitor wakes up in .2 seconds
[06:01] <EdgEy> :D
[06:02] <Blue11> yeah pulse audio is less hiccuppy
[06:03] <Micc> rebooting after upgrade, cross fingers.
[06:06] <astro73|tom> ok, running w/o xorg.conf doesn't work, restoring it.
[06:06] <astro73|tom> if i'm lucky, i'll be back at square one
[06:06] <astro73|tom> and if i'm very lucky, it'll be mysteriously fixed
[06:07] <Blue11> astro73|tom: I had problems with gconf
[06:07] <Blue11> that might be your problem
[06:07] <astro73|tom> and if murphey is awake, Xorg will refuse to use my geforce
[06:07] <astro73|tom> Blue11: gconf has nothing to do with xorg
[06:07] <Blue11> i nuked .gconf in my home directory, and then logged out/in and things finally worked
[06:07] <Blue11> astro73|tom: no
[06:08] <Blue11> astro73|tom: ahh differnt problem
[06:09] <astro73|tom> mine's kinda well below gconf
[06:09] <astro73|tom> gconf doesn't deal with hardware much, esp not fundamental stuff like video
[06:09] <Micc> On both my desktop and laptop installing nvidia restricted hardware drivers fails.
[06:09] <bullgard4_> "Canonical no longer provides support for the packages bluetooth, ..." Why?
[06:09] <astro73|tom> bullgard4_: they've been superseeded (sp) by other packages
[06:11] <bullgard4_> astro73|tom: What package has superseded the DEB program package 'bluetooth'?
[06:13] <vahe_> quick question guys, trying to install ubuntu 10.04 beta on a seperate hard drive on my windows system. The installer will not see this specific drive (sees the other two). When I run it in Live CD, ubuntu sees this drive and its content. This drive had opensuse installed previously. I had deleted that volume using windows disk management and the ubuntu installer still does not see it
[06:15] <Blue11> vahe_: you may need to create a space with gparted, I don't remember if that's on the livecd or not.
[06:15] <bullgard4_> vahe_: Try first to write something on this drive in question. may be this helps the installer then to recognize this drive.
[06:16] <Blue11> vahe_: I did pretty much the same thing, went from suse on this box, to ubuntu
[06:16] <vahe_> thanks guys, going to attempt that now
[06:17] <Blue11> bullgard4_: good idea - touch is excellent for that
[06:21] <AK> Blue11: Do u have a chance to look into it
[06:22] <AK> Bluell: Could you please check Sound --> Preferences ---> Multimedia System Selectors, what is Default output and input plugin and device selected for audio? from your side
[06:22] <Blue11> AK I could not find it -- I did:  System/Preferences/Main Menu/System/Preferences/Multimedia Systems Selector  there is nothing like what you described there.
[06:22] <AK> Your settings is hide
[06:23] <AK> Please go to System/Preferences/Main Menu
[06:23] <Blue11> AK I am there, Private message ok?
[06:24] <AK> Blue11: OK
[06:24] <Blue11> kewl
[06:25] <Micc> Where do I put the splash gdm images?
[06:26] <emergency> help?
[06:26] <Blue11> emergency: sup?
[06:26] <emergency> i was dual booting win 7 + ubuntu 9.10. then i was upgrading 9.1 to 10.04 when the grub installation near the end got corrupted somehow. now there is a "GRUB error" (considering it's screwy) message after the bios option to where i can't choose to boot up in either win or ubuntu
[06:26] <emergency> i've tried putting my recovery disk for windows back in, but it won't get rid of the screwed up grub settings, and now i'm running off of a spare 9.10 disk which is having trouble installing
[06:26] <emergency> well, i think during the upgrade i chose to replace my current grub settings with the new one which froze during the installation. it would have been wrong any
[06:27] <Blue11> emergency: I am not the grub guy but hopefully someone can assist you.
[06:27] <emergency> hopefully
[06:28] <Blue11> it is precisely those reasons though, why I don't do an upgrade, and a fresh install instead.
[06:28] <vahe_> bullgard4_ and Blue11: Thanks for your help, installation now proceeding
[06:28] <astro73|tom> i guess i'll come back to it tomorrow
[06:29] <emergency> well, regardless i'm relatively new to all this and wasn't sure about which option to pick in regards to the grub settings. i think if i was going from 9.04 -> 9.1 i could have made the same mistake
[06:30] <Blue11> yes. I had problems going from 8.04 to 8.10 and I learned quickly upgrade wasnt the way to go - unfortunately
[06:30] <emergency> well now i feel stupid considering i see "grub loading" 50 times a day and should have kept things how they were
[06:38] <Micc> I can't find where to change the gdm login screen greeting in 10.04
[06:41] <rocket16> Hello all,
[06:41] <mxe5> I have forgotten how to query ubottu for information - and not flood the channel - Anyone ? ?
[06:41] <rocket16> I am downloading Lucid Alternate. Is there any bug in the installer?
[06:42] <rocket16> Also, is Lucid faster than 9.10?
[06:44] <chris4585> rocket16, the bootup is much faster, but that depends on your hardware
[06:44] <AK> rocket16; I agreed with you Lucid is faster than Karmic 9.10. My booting tooks 7 seconds with 2 GB RAM
[06:45] <rocket16> chris4585 AK Ok, thank you. But, if I install it via Alternate CD, will there be any bug in it?
[06:45] <rocket16> Because I can't wait for the new release, :(
[06:46] <rocket16> My Laptop is minimal, with 512 MB RAM, but my Desktop has 2 GB. Still, I wish Lucid helps me to resurrect my Laptop, :) 9.10 does the same, but hope Lucid is better, :)
[06:46] <AK> rocket16:  You can do upgrade to lucid .. There are some bugs r there
[06:47] <chris4585> rocket16, there might be, thats the fun of testing betas
[06:47] <rocket16> AK, oh I see.
[06:47] <rocket16> chris4585: Oh, yes.
[06:48] <rocket16> But,at least, It will work, :) Won't it? (Really new to beta-testing, :( )
[06:49] <rocket16> And, is there a way to have Lucid Lynx's Empathy theme in 9.10?
[06:50] <chris4585> rocket16, there's no way to know without testing it
[06:50] <rocket16> chris4585: Ok, :)
[06:51] <rocket16> Oh! I got it! The way to get Lucid's empathy theme in 9.10!
[06:51] <rocket16> http://tecnicoslinux.com.ar/livecd/empathy-chat-themes_1_all.deb
[06:51] <rocket16> Here the deb file is there, :)
[06:53] <chris4585> rocket16, awesome :)
[06:53] <rocket16> chris4585: Thank you, :)
[06:55] <rocket16> I hope, Lucid beats Windows 7 fever, that started after October 22, last Year. Although Ubuntu 9.10 came out the next day, but people got amazed and used Windows . :( I myself, an Ubuntu user and fan, can't tolerate this. :( (Sorry, a bit offtopic)
[07:01] <vahe_> so i finally managed to install 10.04. However, when selecting to boot via the drive its installed on, bios hangs on "Verifying DMI Pool Data....". When I choose the windows HD to boot from, everything works correctly. Anyone have an idea on what may be causing this?
[07:21] <SandGorgon> can somebody check that in kubuntu 10.04 on a laptop - when you pull out the power cord (or put it back in), the mouse pointer jumps to the launcher ?
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Sandgoron: no kde here dude. I like free ram :)
[07:30] <LordKow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/537218 that is going to be nasty for lucid nvidia users
[07:30] <LordKow> im surprised it isn't being mentioned in the release notes for the betas
[07:32] <jimjimovich> hey all
[07:32] <jimjimovich> I noticed that Lucid beta 2, 32bit version, sees all of my 4GB of RAM
[07:32] <jimjimovich> what is the RAM limit for the 32 bit version?
[07:33] <Blue11> 4G?
[07:34] <jimjimovich> yeah, Karmic shows only 3.2 GB of RAM if I used the 32 bit version, but Lucid is showing 3.8 GiB
[07:34] <Blue11> if you think its confusing now, wait till 10.10 reports stuff in decimal instead of binary
[07:35] <jimjimovich> well, i'm not so much confused, i'm just wondering how much RAM Lucid 32bit will see. Since the only reason I'm using the 64bit version of Karmic is to use all my RAM
[07:39] <vega> LordKow: urk, just begin ugprade and have nvidia binary drivers..
[07:40] <Mikerhinos> hi all
[07:49] <vahe_> hello again guys, can anyone help me troubleshoot my ethernet connection
[07:50] <blue102> can you ping it
[07:50] <vahe_> nope, i'll describe my issue
[07:51] <vahe_> and this has been an issue with ubuntu on multiple installs
[07:51] <blue102> i'm listening
[07:51] <vahe_> as far as I can tell, ubuntu sees my network adapter (on my motherboard) as I notice that it can detect my mac address
[07:51] <vahe_> but i can never receive an IP
[07:51] <blue102> dhcp working or static ip
[07:52] <vahe_> dhcp from my router
[07:52] <blue102> yep ok
[07:52] <vahe_> and it works fine with windows and the os x machine that I'm running on
[07:52] <blue102> nano /etc/network/interfaces and make it static see what happen
[07:53] <vahe_> what do I put in here specifically to make that happen?
[07:54] <vega> i recently discovered a funny thing, i had an extra /etc/network/interfaces file with some funny utf8 character right after the 's' character, this made the wlan assosiation fail completely even though the actual 'interfaces' was correct, after deleting the extra file it worked
[07:55] <blue102> hang on back in a minute
[07:57] <blue102> auto eth0
[07:57] <blue102> iface  eth0 inet static
[07:58] <blue102> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:58] <blue102> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:58] <blue102> network <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:59] <blue102> broadcast  <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:59] <vahe_> my router is at <IP_ADDRESS>, should I have it at "network <IP_ADDRESS>"
[08:00] <blue102> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:00] <blue102> try that
[08:01] <blue102> see how that goes
[08:01] <vega> well that won't work if his router is .1.1
[08:01] <blue102> after that /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:02] <blue102> then you try <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:02] <vega> rather: address <IP_ADDRESS>, network <IP_ADDRESS>, broadcast <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:02] <blue102> yep try that
[08:03] <blue102> you must be able to ping the router
[08:04] <vahe_> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  results in "*Reconfiguring network interfaces... grep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory [OK]"
[08:04] <vahe_> i went with the settings vega provided
[08:04] <AK> Guys what is the command from terminal to test speaker in ubuntu 10.04. I am facing some issue while sound recorder
[08:05] <vega> vahe_: yeah you need a resolv.conf now as you don't have dhcp creating it.. but it probably will work without too
[08:06] <blue102> works with me here
[08:07] <AK> Anybody can help me on Sound Recorder testing. what is the command from terminal to test speaker in ubuntu 10.04. I am facing some issue while sound recorder
[08:08] <ZykoticK9> AK, you can try "speaker-test -c2 -t wav"
[08:10] <AK> This is for Front left and right sound. I need for playback command
[08:11] <AK> ZykoticK9:This is for Front left and right sound. I need for playback command
[08:11] <ZykoticK9> AK, sorry - don't have any other suggestions.  Best of luck.
[08:11] <blue102> vahe is it sorted?
[08:12] <vahe_> nope
[08:12] <vahe_> tried restarting
[08:12] <vahe_> no luck
[08:12] <almoxarife> AK: you want to know why you don't have playback?
[08:14] <presuntorj> !info netbook-launcher
[08:15] <vahe_> ping restults in From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[08:15] <blue102> is the network card working ???
[08:15] <vahe_> yes, booting into windows from the same machine, everything works fine
[08:15] <vega> .1.10 is your gateway(router) ip?
[08:15] <AK> almoxarife: I am doing a sound recorder testing. I have internal microphone. From Sound Preferences : Hardware : Analog Stereo Duplex Input:Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[08:16] <diverse_izzue> kernel -20 doesn't boot on my machine. any others having trouble?
[08:16] <almoxarife> I need help from a samba guru, I have two user folders being shared, and I can see them from a win7 system, I don't see them on the ubuntu side as beiing part of a workgroup though, I have had this issue I think from the time I upgraded
[08:16] <vahe_> router is at .1.1
[08:16] <vahe_> thats what i have gateway set at
[08:16] <vega> ping that
[08:16] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Works here.
[08:16] <KB1JWQ> On it now, no issues.
[08:16] <vahe_> tried "Destination Host Unreachable"
[08:16] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Do we have the -20 changelog available?
[08:17] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, i'm sure we can find it
[08:18] <almoxarife> AK: on a desktop?
[08:18] <blue102> same hostname???
[08:18] <blue102> network name
[08:18] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.32-20.29
[08:18] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: How's it dying, just fails to boot?
[08:18] <vahe_> not sure what you mean
[08:18] <vega> vahe_: assume this is a wired link?
[08:18] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, it just hangs on boot
[08:18] <AK> almoxarife: yes on a desktop I can record the sound but when i play it nothing hears anything
[08:18] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Can you throw it into single user mode?
[08:19] <vahe_> btw, under System > Preferences > Network Connections
[08:19] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, how do i do that?
[08:19] <vahe_> Auto eth0 and Auto eth1 are both now gone
[08:19] <diverse_izzue> maybe i should try with the latest 2.6.32 mainline kernel also
[08:19] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: Append "single" without the quotes to the kernel boot line in grub.
[08:19] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, ok, easy enough. what's the effect of that?
[08:19] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: You can also use grub to fail back to the last working kernel.
[08:20] <KB1JWQ> diverse_izzue: It throws it into single user mode for the first boot? :-)  No networking, no loading of a lot of drivers.
[08:20] <AK> ALSAmixer setting all r 100% - capture, mic boost and internal
[08:20] <diverse_izzue> KB1JWQ, i will try.
[08:20] <almoxarife> AK: system>admin>system testing avail for use?
[08:21] <blue102> you use 2 cards eth0 and eth1
[08:21] <bullgard> '~$ sudo update-manger -d'  updated my Thinkpad T43 to 2.6.32-20. But this kernel does not start. Also 2.6.32-20-generic-recovery mode hangs. There is no access to a virtual console. My old kernel 2.6.31-20 starts though, even X. How to fix this?
[08:21] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, i have the same issue
[08:21] <bullgard> Ah!
[08:21] <vahe_> well, motherboard has 2 ethernet ports, cable is connected at eth1 i believe
[08:22] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, KB1JWQ recommended trying to boot with the "single" argument. i cannot reboot right now, but maybe you can try
[08:22] <diverse_izzue> also, you could try using the latest 2.6.32 mainline kernel. do you know where/how to get those?
[08:22] <diverse_izzue> i have a thinkpad as well btw
[08:22] <blue102> try the cable in the eth0
[08:22] <bullgard> diverse_izzue: How can I boot using the "single" argument?
[08:22] <almoxarife> AK: you stated that the issue was 'playback', what is the status of the output in alsa-mixer?
[08:23] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, easiest is to edit the command line directly in grub, just for that one boot. select the boot entry, press e. then at the line which ends in "ro quiet splash" or similar, add "single" to the end
[08:23] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, then press ctrl-x to boot
[08:24] <SiDi> Hi there.
[08:25] <SiDi> I've got an HP6730b, which was working fine under Karmic. I upgraded to Lucid and now the brightness keys don't work. Apparently it's due to my GMA915 not using the good backlight control method, and plenty of bug reports tell to run the following command:
[08:25] <SiDi> xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native
[08:25] <SiDi> Problem is that in Lucid, LVDS has no BACKLIGHT_CONTROL property. Does anyone have an idea what to do?
[08:27] <AK> almoxarife: The issue was with playback the status of the output in alsamixer is 100%. When I do a system testing for Audio i.e speak into internal microphone. after few seconds, i cannot hear back my speach
[08:30] <AK> problem in alsa_record_internal_playback. I cannot hear my speech
[08:34] <AK> I got the testing report
[08:34] <jmfthevci> My Lenovo T61 was updated this morning. Beta1 to Beta 2. New kernel  (2.6.32-20) crashes at the isapnp point early in kernel boot. 2.6.32-19 still boots.
[08:35] <jmfthevci> Using Recovery mode for 2.6.32-20 does not get any further.
[08:37] <diverse_izzue> jmfthevci, you're the third here, besided me and bullgard
[08:37] <jmfthevci> bug 561140 applies
[08:37] <diverse_izzue> bullgard ^
[08:39] <jmfthevci> multiple platforms affected by 561140. Looks like a widespread issue. I'm so glad I keep at least one working kernel...
[08:40] <BUGabundo_remote> m0rning
[08:41] <jmfthevci> Can someone update the motd on this channel to flag bug 561140?
[08:41] <hayanbom> guys, Does anyone know programs that can do comments, annotation,highlight function on pdf file ? only free
[08:42] <diverse_izzue> hayanbom, evince, in it's next version :-) ...maybe
[08:42] <diverse_izzue> there should be something though
[08:42] <hayanbom> diverse_izzue, thanks for response
[08:43] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. I'm getting a deprecated signal error in Kubuntu 10.04 on a svn commit (work repository) - Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[08:43] <SandGorgon> any clue what's going on ?
[08:48] <AK> Guys , I am getting failed on alsa_record_internal_playback when I performed a system testing for Audio
[08:56] <nishanth> my computer freezes randomly. but it works fine when i set acpi to off. but i happen to notice that my fan is working continuously if i set acpi to off....anyone know how to fix this?
[09:00] <vega> can anyone tell the output of "dpkg --list | wc -l
[09:00] <vega> " on a freshly installed lucid machine
[09:00] <vega> ie. how many package installed by default on normal desktop install..
[09:01] <nishanth> my computer freezes randomly. but it works fine when i set acpi to off. but i happen to notice that my fan is working continuously if i set acpi to off....anyone know how to fix this?
[09:01] <blue102> vega 1357
[09:01] <vega> ok, thanks
[09:02] <AK> my system sounds all work, but I can't record or playback with Sound Recorder application. I did tested with System testing where alsa_record_internal_playback failed. Please advise wot needs to be done to fix
[09:02] <nishanth> AK try installing alsa player
[09:03] <nishanth> I used to have similar issue and it worked after i installed alsa player
[09:05] <AK> nishanth: can u tell me how??
[09:05] <nishanth> AK try using the ubuntu software center or synaptic
[09:06] <AK> nishanth:look for?/
[09:06] <nishanth> AK alsa player
[09:07] <Konstigt> how do I report this as a bug? the log out/switch user applet is missing and indicator applet session seems messed up https://xyz.pp.se/~thnov/up/Screenshot.png
[09:07] <TheSov> Can anyone help me get my sound card to work in lucid, its detected and i see multiple profiles but i hear no audio and sometimes pulse crashes when i change profiles.
[09:07] <nishanth> AK which are you using synaptic or software center
[09:07] <vahe_> vega: 1288
[09:08] <AK> I can see alsaplayer-alsa and alsaplayer-daemon
[09:08] <nishanth> AK so you are in synaptic?
[09:08] <nishanth> AK install alsaplayer-alsa
[09:08] <AK> nishanth: Yes I am in Synaptic
[09:08] <AK> nishanth;OK
[09:09] <AK> nishanth; Thanks let me install and test it...
[09:10] <nishanth> AK after you install open sounds from system -> pref..-> sounds
[09:10] <AK> nishanth; Installation done. I am in system -> pref..-> sounds
[09:10] <nishanth> AK then click on the input tab and set input volume to some level and try recording something
[09:11] <nishanth> AK using sound recorder
[09:11] <nishanth> AK did it work?
[09:12] <AK> nishanth : I cannot hear anything while playback
[09:13] <nishanth> AK did you change the input volume?
[09:13] <AK> nishanth : no it didn't work . Do u want to see the screenshot
[09:13] <bullgard> diverse_izzue: jmfthevci <dholbach> said that Ubuntu kernel people are working on the problem and he advised to watch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561151/ for a fix.
[09:13] <nishanth> AK ya maybe
[09:15] <diverse_izzue> bullgard, thanks, subscribed
[09:17] <TheSov> I'm trying to get my sound card to work in 10.04 beta2. It's a sound blaster X-fi pci-express 1x. the system can detect the card and shows is in available hardware. I hear nothing and it does not matter which sound profile I pick for the device I hear no audio.
[09:19] <vega> hmm, evolution seems to be install but is nowhere to be found in the gnome menu
[09:19] <diverse_izzue> vega, if you start evolution rom terminal, does that work?
[09:20] <vega> apt-get --reinstall install evolution did not help
[09:20] <vega> diverse_izzue: it starts
[09:20] <diverse_izzue> vega, right click on your menu to open the menu editor, maybe it's disabled?
[09:20] <Arvan> ls
[09:20] <Arvan> ls
[09:20] <Arvan> hi,all
[09:20] <NET||abuse> hey folks, i ran the upgrade through from 9.10 to the beta on my laptop,, i get to reboot after all the packages are installed, grub pops up, then it sits there saying "Starting Up" with my hdd light on solid....
[09:20] <Arvan> i have a question,please help me. my server acts a router role, now i need to control traffic,which program will be great??
[09:21] <vega> diverse_izzue: hm, right-click on what menu?
[09:21] <diverse_izzue> right click on where it says "applications"
[09:22] <vega> ah ok
[09:22] <vega> nope, no evolution in the "Internet" section
[09:23] <diverse_izzue> vega, in /usr/share/applications, do you have evolution.desktop?
[09:23] <diverse_izzue> vega, do you have the evolution-common package installed?
[09:25] <jmfthevci> bullgard: I'll keep an eye on both 561140 and 561151. Thanks.
[09:26] <NET||abuse> ok, so i tried to get grub to boot off 2.6.31-20 rather than 2.6.32-19 and it does the same thing
[09:26] <jmfthevci> I think 561140 and 561151 are duplicates.
[09:27] <TheSov> can I use beep to test sound?
[09:27] <NET||abuse> just sits there saying "Starting Up"
[09:28] <vega> diverse_izzue: yes to both questions
[09:28] <diverse_izzue> vega, this starts getting a bit weird :-)
[09:29] <diverse_izzue> vega, tried killing the panel "killall gnome-panel" ?
[09:29] <NET||abuse> hmm, seems recovery mode boots with a similar problem i get alot of info flying up the screen, then once it's loaded Ext3 FS on sda1    that's it, just sitting there waiting hdd light on solid,
[09:30] <NET||abuse> is there anyway i can debug this better?
[09:30] <vega> diverse_izzue: just did it, no help.. also did apt-get --reinstall install evolution-common
[09:31] <diverse_izzue> vega, sorry, I'm out of ideas
[09:31] <vega> NET||abuse: https://launchpad.net/bugs/561140 seen this?
[09:33] <vega> diverse_izzue: ok thanks anyways
[09:34] <NET||abuse> vega, yeh, might be the problem, but i tried in 2.6.31-19 kernel and it wouldn't boot either, same situation.
[09:39] <larsivi> have anyone seen a hang in boot right after a kernel is selected in grub? i.e. no output at all (beyond a blinking cursor in the upper left corner)?
[09:39] <NET||abuse> larsivi, i'm in that situation too, though mine says "Starting Up"
[09:39] <larsivi> with me it happens at least half of the time with the -19 kernel, on a dell studio xps 17
[09:39] <NET||abuse> I've got 100% of the time.
[09:39] <larsivi> I don't think I got the -20 kernel yet
[09:39] <NET||abuse> just finished updates from 9.10 to the beta, stuck
[09:40] <NET||abuse> can you get recovery mode to load?
[09:41] <larsivi> I believe the -18 kernel works fine for me (I've been at the beta for some weeks now)
[09:41] <NET||abuse> not sure how i can get any thing else installed here, nothing will load
[09:41] <vega> -20 kernel works ok for me
[09:41] <NET||abuse> i've no tty to switch to or anything.
[09:41] <screen-x> morning all
[09:41] <larsivi> I see I get the -20 kernel now
[09:42] <NET||abuse> i've got the 2.6.32-19 kernel and the 2.6.31-20 kernel to choose from
[09:42] <NET||abuse> i take it the 2.6.31-20 kernel isn't the new one your talking about?
[09:43] <NET||abuse> ahh, google says there's 2.6.33-20
[09:43] <NET||abuse> so i'm not on that version, and so vega that forum / bug is not related to me.
[09:43] <larsivi> hmm, I'm getting 2.6.32-20
[09:43] <vega> ok
[09:43] <vega> 2.6.32-20-generic is what i have
[09:43] <vega> (x86_64)
[09:44] <NET||abuse> vega, you sure? 2.6.32-19 surely? or else either 2.6.31-20 or 2.6.33-20
[09:44] <vega> Linux visam09lk 2.6.32-20-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 9 20:35:00 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:45] <NET||abuse> ohh,
[09:45] <NET||abuse> ok, i've only got 2.6.32-19.. hmm
[09:45] <vahe_> blue102 and vega: an update regarding my networking issue, this seems to have been a specific issue with the network controller on my motherboard. Solution here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/136836
[09:45] <vahe_> thanks for the help guys
[09:46] <BUGabundo_remote> g
[09:47] <NET||abuse> i am completely stuck here, i don't know how to debug this.. anyone know what i can do to get more information?
[09:48] <NET||abuse> i'm curious as to what my disc is doing, after grub the hdd indicator starts to flash up with work then just goes solid on
[09:49] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: what graphics card? I had that with ati card
[09:49] <NET||abuse> nvidia
[09:49] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, but i've no X , no tty, this is not getting past whatever is immediately after grub
[09:51] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: well my ati problem was related to kms. disabling it fixed it. but with the most recent update 2.6.32-20 kernel boots with kms enabled
[09:51] <NET||abuse> i can't get recovery mode or anything to boot, so i don't know how i can change any setting?
[09:51] <bullgard> In Grub I selected (highlighted) the line "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-20-generic root= UUID<<<<<<<<<<009a568ee-...->. How can I navigate to its end and add a string there?
[09:51] <aprilhare> hello.
[09:52] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: how far does recovery mode boot get?
[09:52] <aprilhare> how does one force the login screen to the default display preferences used in lucid? i upgraded, but it still appears chocolatey.
[09:53] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, hold on a tick while i try it again.
[09:53] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, Running /scripts/init-bottom
[09:54] <NET||abuse> Adding 3943948k swap on /dev/sda2. Priotiry: -1 extents: 1 across: 3943948k
[09:54] <NET||abuse> EXT4 FS on sda1, internal journal
[09:54] <NET||abuse>  ------ that's the end
[09:54] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, just sits there after that, and the hdd indicator is just on solid.
[09:56] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, worth running spinright on it? or try boot withlive cd first and mount sda1?
[09:57] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: don't know about spinright, but maybe boot livecd and run fsck on sda1 (don't mount it, of course)
[09:57] <NET||abuse> yeh, ok
[09:57] <NET||abuse> burning image now
[09:57] <NET||abuse> thank god i have desktop with 9.10 still on it.
[09:57] <NET||abuse> problem is 95% of my code is sitting on laptop :P
[09:58] <NET||abuse> looked at my development folder with disc usage analyser yesterday, i have 16GB of Music, and 4.6GB of code :P
[09:58] <NET||abuse> i'm pleased with that ratio.
[09:58] <immortal_soul_> hi i wonder can anyone help
[09:58] <NET||abuse> though there's alot of image assets in that 4.6GB :P
[09:59] <NET||abuse> immortal_soul_, don't ask to ask i think is a rule on most irc
[09:59] <immortal_soul_> im trying to download and instal sound drivers on ubuntu and dont kno how
[09:59] <NET||abuse> sound drivers? What is your hardware?
[09:59] <NET||abuse> you usually don't need much inthe way of sound drivers.. pulse or alsa will work it all out.
[10:00] <immortal_soul_> i was using xp an the disk failed to work an now using ubuntu an basically im a newbie with it so dont know what im doin lol
[10:00] <NET||abuse> ah, kay. have you tested sound will work at all?
[10:00] <NET||abuse> oh, are you using the beta?
[10:00] <NET||abuse> or are you on ubuntu 9.10?
[10:00] <immortal_soul_> um not sure
[10:00] <NET||abuse> are you in ubuntu right now?
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> i am
[10:01] <NET||abuse> or are you dual booting?
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> nah
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> i was able to get wine to work and installed basic irc
[10:01] <chadnru_in> Since the built-in speakers of my laptop didn't work, I had installed  linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic.  Now my built-in speakers work but headphones when connected produce no sound.
[10:01] <NET||abuse> ok, first thing is to see if your on the beta or the stable release.
[10:01] <chadnru_in> The laptop uses an Intel sound card
[10:01] <immortal_soul_> how do i check that ? terminal ?
[10:02] <NET||abuse> yeh, terminal   stick in     uname -a
[10:02] <bullgard> immortal_soul_: uname -a
[10:02] <immortal_soul_> kk 2 secs
[10:02] <immortal_soul_> Linux patrick-desktop 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:03] <NET||abuse> hmm, is beta running on 2.6.31 or is that 9.10?
[10:03] <immortal_soul_> i have no idea lol
[10:05] <NET||abuse> your on 9.10
[10:05] <immortal_soul_> cool
[10:05] <immortal_soul_> i havnt used linux in over 5 yrs or so lmao an that was in school :|
[10:05] <NET||abuse> so this is ubuntu+1 which means it is aimed at the release ahead of the current stable release.
[10:05] <bullgard> immortal_soul_: 2.6.31 is the kernel for Ubuntu 9.10 (called "Karmic").
[10:05] <iconmefisto> chadnru_in: for hda audio, this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845
[10:06] <NET||abuse> 9.10 is the stable release, but by the start of next month 10.04 will be the next stable release
[10:06] <immortal_soul_> ahh i see
[10:06] <NET||abuse> until then just use #ubuntu for help,
[10:06] <NET||abuse> but for sound, make sure you install restricted drivers etc.
[10:07] <NET||abuse> there's some stuff on getting hardware to work on the wiki's
[10:07] <immortal_soul_> kk ty
[10:07] <bullgard> In Grub I selected (highlighted) the line "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-20-generic root= UUID=09a568ee-...->". How can I navigate to its end and add a string there?
[10:08] <iconmefisto> bullgard: arrow keys?
[10:08] <vega> bullgard: isn't it "e" to edit
[10:08] <AK> Guys, I am getting a strange on Sound Preferences ---> Application tab . When I go to Sound Recorder, it should show ALSA plug-in [npviewer.bin]
[10:09] <AK> but its showing sound recorder
[10:09] <thecookie> Howdy!
[10:09] <thecookie> I get thrown out to busybox pretty instantly during kerlen loading
[10:09] <thecookie> any ideas?
[10:10] <om26er> !maverik
[10:10] <AK> Guys, I am getting a strange on Sound Preferences ---> Application tab . When I go to Sound Recorder, it should show ALSA plug-in [npviewer.bin] but its showing sound recorder . I think some application/config needs to be done. any ideas??
[10:10] <bullgard> iconmefisto: The screen picture reacts to the Up and Down arrow keys. But I cannot see any reaction when I press the Left or Right arrow keys.
[10:10] <chadnru_in> iconmefisto: Does this method require having  linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic installed?
[10:11] <vega> bullgard: 12:08 < vega> bullgard: isn't it "e" to edit
[10:11] <Micc_> why does my gdmsetup not have tabs like it shows in web sites when I google it?
[10:11] <jasmuz> Hello to all
[10:11] <jasmuz> I have an urgent question
[10:12] <iconmefisto> chadnru_in: I don't think it matters. it's for enabling sound driver features on different laptop models, even though the audio chipset is the same, different laptops use the same hardware differently
[10:12] <Micc_> my gdmsetup is a single page, not tabs. And I don't see any way to setup a new gdm login screen
[10:12] <jasmuz> I've started the update to 10.04 beta 2, and the installer stuck on disabling power management, What should i do?
[10:13] <iconmefisto> bullgard: are you in the "edit" mode? (press "e" key to edit the selected grub menu item)
[10:15] <jasmuz> ?
[10:15] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: how are you doing the upgrade? commandline or gui?
[10:16] <jasmuz> gui
[10:16] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, GUI
[10:17] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: I only know kde, so if this is on gnome, I can't help you much
[10:17] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, i tried shutting down the acpi-support via init to see if it would roll but no go on that
[10:17] <jmfthevci> jasmuz: Are you doing an update on Battery or mains power?
[10:18] <bullgard> vega: Yes it is. --  Thank you for your help. I added the string "single" to the end of the kernel boot command line. Now a "Recovery menu" appears offering 5 options: clean, dpkg, failsafeX, Update grub bootloader, Drop to root shell prompt with networking. What should I select?
[10:18] <jasmuz> jmfthevci, main power its a PC
[10:18] <vega> bullgard: sorry don't know didn't follow your problem actually.. just commented on the "editing detail" :)
[10:19] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, Im scared of pulling the plug on a partial upgrade, i will end up with a stone for PC
[10:19] <bullgard> vega: Thank you very much.
[10:19] <Sebastian> Kernel panics/segfaults on ThinkPad X60s after upgrade to latest Lucid. How would I gather debug information for this?
[10:19] <jasmuz> ideas, anyone?
[10:19] <bullgard> iconmefisto: This works. Thank you.  --  I added the string "single" to the end of the kernel boot command line. Now a "Recovery menu" appears offering 5 options: clean, dpkg, failsafeX, Update grub bootloader, Drop to root shell prompt with networking. What should I select?
[10:21] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: you could kill the upgrade process and then sudo dpkg --configure -a to continue the rest of the upgrade. as long as you fix things before reboot it should be ok
[10:21] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, let me just do that
[10:22] <iconmefisto> bullgard: what do you want to do?
[10:22] <bullgard> iconmefisto: Starting Ubuntu 10.04 Beta.
[10:23] <madalin> hello
[10:23] <madalin> anyone arround?
[10:23] <bullgard> no
[10:23] <madalin> i could use a hand..
[10:23] <DASPRiD> please don't use the hand :x
[10:23] <madalin> i have an ATI Radeon 4350, and it looks like X is screaming something about fglrx or such
[10:23] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, killed lucid and the dpkg process in the background.. restarted the install with dpkg --configure -a i will tell you the results in a while
[10:24] <iconmefisto> bullgard: so it doesn't boot with normal grub kernel options? any idea why?
[10:25] <AK> Hello I am getting following available message while opening gstreamer-properties
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'artsdsink'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdsink'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'glimagesink'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'v4lmjpegsrc'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'qcamsrc'
[10:25] <AK> gstreamer-properties-Message: Skipping unavailable plugin 'esdmon'
[10:25] <SandGorgon> !paste | AK
[10:27] <madalin> ok, so i canhow can i do a force repair ?
[10:28] <chandru_in> iconmefisto: I tried all possible option as said in that thread.
[10:28] <iconmefisto> chandru_in: no good?
[10:29] <chandru_in> The codec identified on my system is Realtek ID 270 which is neither on that list nor in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz
[10:29] <chandru_in> So I tried hp, hp-* as mine is a compaq laptop
[10:29] <chandru_in> none of them worked
[10:30] <chandru_in> iconmefisto: Also most people on that thread are trying to get ti working on their headphones, while it is the opposite for me my headphones are working just fine
[10:30] <iconmefisto> chandru_in: I have a compaq too, but no sound at all. maybe try filing a bug report?
[10:30] <chandru_in> it is my laptop speakers which fail
[10:31] <chandru_in> iconmefisto: I wanted to comfirm if it is a bug at all first
[10:31] <bullgard> iconmefisto: "So it doesn't boot with normal grub kernel options? any idea why?" <- Because the Ubuntu kernel developers introduced a bug in kernel 2.6.32-20-generic. --  "Why?" Because they did not pay attention enough to side effects of their work.#
[10:32] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, i came up with these errors: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ...
[10:32] <jasmuz> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-21-generic
[10:32] <jasmuz> .: 4: Can't open /scripts/functions
[10:32] <jasmuz> Processing triggers for python-support ...
[10:32] <jasmuz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:32] <jasmuz>  mplayer-nogui
[10:32] <jasmuz>  acpi-support
[10:32] <jasmuz> ups, sorry guys
[10:33] <vega> Sebastian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561151
[10:33] <bullgard> iconmefisto: Launchpad Bugs #561140 and 561151 are similar.
[10:34] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, what to do, reboot?
[10:35] <LetsGo67> How do I downgrade my kernel to 2.6.27?
[10:36] <bullgard> LetsGo67: You better don't.
[10:36] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, i shall reboot.. will post how it goes in a while, hopefully
[10:36] <jasmuz> !exit
[10:37] <LetsGo67> Bullgard: But my laptop keeps overheating and crashing, and they *still* didn't fix in 10.04 beta 1!  Also, the instructions to "fix" the problem are complicated!
[10:38] <bullgard> LetsGo67: In your case the best thing to do is to install another kernel and try this one out.
[10:38] <LetsGo67> Sorry?  Why not 2.6.27?
[10:39] <bullgard> LetsGo67: Did you not say that fixing it is too complicated for you?
[10:40] <LetsGo67> Mhm.  It involves machine code.;
[10:40] <jackhigh> this may be a daft question but ive never used empathy before can it do irc if so how do i set it up ? do i need another package to make it work ?
[10:40] <st4aluck> Guis I posted a bug about my laptop but still no progress https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/553084
[10:42] <aprilhare> NET||abuse, wouldn't moar video be good?
[10:42] <om26er> st4aluck, you could try the latest kernel just to check if it really is a kernel bg
[10:43] <st4aluck> om26er: Do you mean 2.6.33
[10:43] <mfraz74> Just done an update and now I can't log in
[10:43] <om26er> st4aluck, yes
[10:43] <nishanth> any one know what this does......quiet splash i915.modeset=0
[10:43] <LetsGo67> bullgard?
[10:43] <NET||abuse> aprilhare, sorry??
[10:43] <st4aluck> om26er: I tryed already, it doesn't work either
[10:43] <mfraz74> it gets stuck at 2.77
[10:43] <om26er> st4aluck, I guess not a kernel bug then
[10:44] <aprilhare> NET||abuse, sorry was replying to something in log
[10:44] <om26er> st4aluck, maybe upower? or g-p-m
[10:44] <aprilhare> NET||abuse, behind the times I am :)
[10:44] <mfraz74> also unable to get into the GRUB2 menu to choose another kernel
[10:44] <nishanth>  quiet splash i915.modeset=0 any one know what this does?
[10:44] <bullgard> LetsGo67: I do not understand your last questionmark. What do you want to know?
[10:44] <st4aluck> om26er: I tried to run live CDs of 9.10 10.04 and Knpppix and non of them are working
[10:45] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, im back.. !
[10:45] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: sorry I was gone for a while. you said you had errors. did you boot up normally?
[10:45] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, everything seems ok.. except i lost the screen resolution i had for my 17 inch screen, im using an ATI X1550 card with radeon drivers
[10:46] <st4aluck> om26er: only Hardy works without any problems even a live CD on battery mode
[10:46] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, thanks a lot. Any ideas on how to fix my resolution issue.
[10:46] <mfraz74> can anyone help me?
[10:47] <vega> !ask | mfraz74
[10:47] <LetsGo67> bullgard: How do I install and boot 2.6.27?
[10:47] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: I'm gnome-ignorant, so probably not much help. does gnome have a screen res gui? can you set screen res to what you want?
[10:48] <NET||abuse> right, so i can't boot, but live cd boots and can mount my hdd partitions,, i unmount the drive and i want to fsck them,,
[10:48] <SandGorgon> can somebody check that in kubuntu 10.04 on a laptop - when you pull out the power cord (or put it back in), the mouse pointer jumps to the launcher ?
[10:48] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, yes, it does.. but it won't display beyond 1024x768
[10:48] <NET||abuse> how do i use fsck?
[10:48] <mfraz74> i've tried asking but no resonse. after doing an update just now, I can no longer boot into my laptop
[10:49] <SandGorgon> mfraz74, looks like the -20 kernel update is breaking quite a few boots... just FYI
[10:49] <NET||abuse> mfraz74, i'm in the same situation.
[10:49] <mfraz74> sandgorgon: how do I boot into the older kernel?
[10:49] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, but i can't boot on the 19 either, breaking at the same versino
[10:49] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: I just tried it, my mouse pointer jumps to top left of the screen
[10:49] <NET||abuse> infact the -19 kernel i have is still 9.10's version.
[10:50] <om26er> st4aluck, is your problem like "freezes then lines appear"
[10:50] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, cool.. will file a bug.. please mark it as "affects me too"
[10:50] <SandGorgon> mfraz74,  NET||abuse  maybe something more has happened...
[10:50] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: ok, let me know when you've filed it
[10:50] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, well, last night i set off the update, finished out this morning.
[10:50] <mfraz74> sandgorgon: has a bug been reported?
[10:50] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i havn't booted once into it
[10:51] <st4aluck> om26er: no, just freezes
[10:51] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i just get "Starting up" and it sits there, drive light on solid, just frozen
[10:51] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i have no tty or anything
[10:51] <NET||abuse> i'm in live cd and my partitions mount up fine. so no hdd problem
[10:51] <NET||abuse> and the live cd running on kernel 2.6.32-19 seemed to boot
[10:52] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, you could try adding "debug=" to the end of the boot params list to see what is happening.
[10:52] <mfraz74> i just get what looks like tty1, but get stuck at around 2.7s.
[10:52] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, ahhhh yay, debug, ok i'll do that now.
[10:52] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, im getting normal accelerated graphics, i just need to manually add a higher resolution, do you know where i can do that?
[10:52] <iconmefisto> !resolution
[10:52] <st4aluck> om26er: it' freezes at the moment I have to log on my account or if I work on AC and switch to battery it freezes in 3-5 sec
[10:52] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, is it doen by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst ??
[10:52] <SandGorgon> jasmuz, check "Hardware Drivers" first - and install the recommended drivers.
[10:53] <bullgard> LetsGo67: You need to install the associated kernel image DEB program package. Then restart your computer and select this kernel.
[10:53] <SandGorgon> jasmuz, later you can choose ur resolution in "Display"
[10:53] <bullgard> in grub
[10:53] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: try that link ^^
[10:53] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, I'm not too sure... but I think u can press "e" at the grub menu
[10:53] <om26er> st4aluck, what if you start it without charger?
[10:54] <jasmuz> SandGorgon, the Radeon drivers for my ATI X1550 are there.. and Display wont set it to anything beyond 1024x786
[10:54] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, well i'm looking at menu.lst and i'm seeing the boot groups,, there's 4 lines, root, kernel root=UUID=...   initrd then quiet
[10:54] <SandGorgon> !ati | jasmuz
[10:54] <st4aluck> om26er: read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:54] <mfraz74> how do i get the grub menu?
[10:54] <NET||abuse> where do i add the =debug?
[10:54] <NET||abuse> mfraz74, during boot, the count down appears for 3 seconds, hit escape
[10:54] <mfraz74> is that for grub 2?
[10:54] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, at the "quiet", you can just append "debug=" to the end
[10:55] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[10:55] <NET||abuse> so the line would be "quiet debug="
[10:55] <om26er> st4aluck, searching on the internet suggests that there are problems with Toshiba Satellite A205 when switching to battery or from battery
[10:55] <jasmuz> Thanks NET||abuse & iconmefisto
[10:55] <Freanki> Hi, since the update from 9.10 to 10.4 my system will stop after loading the kernel. No daemons start... But the kernel still works (CTRL+ALT+DEL still works). I already updateded my system in a chroot enviroment but it's still not working
[10:55] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, yup.. actually all the lines get concatenated together anyway... but its a good idea to add it at the very last line.. so that it is not overridden
[10:56] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, ah, kay, cheers.
[10:56] <st4aluck> om26er: I am searching non stop and I didn't find anything but my posts
[10:56] <NET||abuse> right, rebooting into it.
[10:56] <om26er> st4aluck, http://laptopforums.toshiba.com/t5/Batteries-and-Power/Satellite-A205-S5800-freezes-when-AC-power-cord-is-connected/td-p/65220;jsessionid=A835B9B41E22FDC31F4F0323E6CA9B9A
[10:57] <om26er> st4aluck, its not the exact problem but seems related
[10:58] <st4aluck> om26er: do you realy think it's not a kernel problem?
[10:58] <mfraz74> is this the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/561140
[10:58] <om26er> st4aluck, seems that way
[10:58] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, here's the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/561342
[10:58] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i added debug= to the end of that line,, nothing new is showing up on screen when i boot
[10:59] <LetsGo67> bullgard: In 10.04, how do you select it, as I do not see "GRUB loading..."
[10:59] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, hmm... that was my last resort buddy... sorry :(
[10:59] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, that page is dated and that system uses xrandr and xorg.conf which are deprecated
[10:59] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, when i edit the line, it doesn't stay,
[10:59] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, it musn't be actually working to edit the line?
[11:00] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: xrandr is deprecated? are you sure?
[11:00] <st4aluck> om26er: You see they didn't solve the problem too
[11:00] <bullgard> LetsGo67: Do you have X running, or do you have only virtual consoles?
[11:00] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, hmm.. u need to take a look at that But try to get "debug=" in there somewhere
[11:00] <st4aluck> om26er: toshiba is the worst mashine for Ubuntu
[11:00] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, i edited it, hit enter and it goes back and i see it there, if i hit escape to go back to the boot list, then e to edit again, it's reverted
[11:00] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: xorg.conf is still usable, also. it's just not part of a default setup these days
[11:00] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, haven't been using xrandr in ages, prolly mistaken there.. but xorg configs are old
[11:00] <LetsGo67> bullgard: I have X installed.
[11:01] <om26er> st4aluck, btw those people are having problems with windoze too
[11:01] <bullgard> Can you open Synaptic?
[11:01] <LetsGo67> bullgard: yes.
[11:01] <st4aluck> om26er: toshina is shit
[11:01] <SandGorgon> NET||abuse, i'm not sure about the exact syntax, but perhaps you are not supposed to hit escape. Just a thought.. u'll need to google it
[11:02] <LetsGo67> I'm gone.
[11:02] <st4aluck> om26er: there is a similar bug again on Toshiba, brb
[11:03] <NET||abuse> this sucks, i have completely lost access to my machine, arrrg
[11:03] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: after editing, ctrl-x to boot what you've edited (look under the "edit" box and there should be some instructions about that)
[11:03] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, jasmuz@stelo:~$ xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 75
[11:03] <jasmuz> xrandr: cannot find mode 1280x1024
[11:03] <st4aluck> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/518705
[11:05] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, ideas?
[11:06] <iconmefisto> jasmuz: xrandr --newmode <Mode``Line> you can use gtf or cvt to generate a modeline, then put that in the xrandr command. (see the link)
[11:07] <NET||abuse> SandGorgon, iconmefisto, should i not be setting debug=  to something?
[11:07] <SandGorgon> st4aluck, I had a similar problem in KDE - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182347
[11:08] <madalin> I have an ATI Radeon 4350 but when i lspci |grep vga i get nothing. What should i do ?
[11:11] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, just won't work
[11:11] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: No, it's not
[11:11] <mfraz74> know i should'nt have done this, but i've had to use a live boot to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf to allow me to boot into 2.26.32-19
[11:11] <jasmuz> iconmefisto, got the generating the newmode line, but when i feed it to xrandr its just a no go
[11:12] <NET||abuse> ok, so when i boot with recovery mode i get a lot of info, it gets stuck when i hits "EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal"  that's the last output before it just sits there blinking.
[11:12] <NET||abuse> how can i do some better debugging.?
[11:12] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: I tried to load and live cd of Knoppix for examp but it freezes
[11:12] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: Only Hardy works onbattery mode with Toshiba A205
[11:12] <iconmefisto> madalin: make that VGA, or grep -i vga (ignore case)
[11:13] <madalin> aye. It works. its there
[11:13] <madalin> however, i cannot enable compiz for some reason..
[11:14] <ubuntu> hello everyone, the plymouth problem has just made my computer a mess
[11:14] <ubuntu> can anyone please help me out
[11:14] <ubuntu> i did a upgrade from karmic
[11:14] <ubuntu> when it goes for update-initramfs it throw a lot of error it is all about the plymouth thing
[11:14] <ubuntu> can anyone help me pls
[11:15] <SandGorgon> st4aluck, i had a similar issue but I had to disable the unused floppy port on my computer for livecd to go through.. that was sometime back.
[11:15] <aprilhare> have floppy disk drive here no problems
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> there are ppl still using floppyes? wow
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> just wow
[11:16] <aprilhare> BUGabundo_remote, media is media
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> ubuntu go into grub, and delete the splash
[11:16] <aprilhare> can't guarantee the drive *works* though :)
[11:16] <SandGorgon> on some motherboards, livecd (and I think Casper) croaks when it tries to work with the floppy drive ports.. I have had to disable them (during install) on all my machines..
[11:16] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: did you had the problem to run on battery mode
[11:16] <aprilhare> just inserted floppy disk and no idea how to access
[11:16] <ubuntu> i already removed the splash
[11:17] <ubuntu> im using the encrypted hard disk so it was already removed in the grub
[11:17] <spikeofdoom> anybody run a 9xxx,8xxx series card with 10.04?
[11:17] <SandGorgon> st4aluck, these were desktops
[11:18] <aprilhare> hmmm having trouble mounting floppies
[11:18] <aprilhare> yay mounted a floppy disk :)
[11:19] <aprilhare> it still works
[11:19] <aprilhare> in 2010 :D
[11:19] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: Did read my bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/553084
[11:19] <spikeofdoom> is anybody running a nividia 8xxx,9xxx series card with 10.04?
[11:19] <ubuntu> bugabundo_remote : im not even able to get into grub
[11:19] <ubuntu> its also giving me error of somd symbol
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> ubuntu left shift?
[11:20] <st4aluck> SandGorgon: and this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[11:20] <ubuntu> no man the grub itself if going down to rescue mode
[11:20] <ubuntu> i think i have to somehow make the update-initramfs to work so that the update-grub too will work and fix the whole issue
[11:20] <mfraz74> the shift key didn't work for me either
[11:21] <ubuntu> but for that i need this plymouth thing and im not able to get it installed too....meaning that im already into a loop...if i want to install plymouth then i need to run a dplg --configure and to do that ubuntu wont allow as it need the plymoth
[11:22] <ubuntu> so now whats the next method
[11:22] <mfraz74> tried holding shift down just after the bios screen vanished and it still wouldn't do anything
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> mfraz74: its not exaclty after bios, more like, a moment just after grub loads
[11:23] <NET||abuse> ooh, a development: hmm, i left it sitting for a while, the last line i had was "EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal" then after 5 minutes it came up with 3 more lines
[11:23] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: try booting with a livecd, chroot, then do the update-initramfs thing
[11:23] <mfraz74> bugabundo_remote: it seemed to straight into booting the kernel
[11:23] <ubuntu> im already in a live cd iconmefisto
[11:23] <ubuntu> and i did a chroot already
[11:23] <NET||abuse> "kjournald starting. Commit internal 5 seconds    EXT3 FS on sda3, internal journal     EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordere datamode.
[11:23] <mfraz74> now that i'm using -19 the shift key works again
[11:23] <NET||abuse> anyone have a suggestion on what to do at this point?
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> mfraz74: it does work. just a question of (very) lucky
[11:26] <aprilhare> hmmm.. kfloppy lets you format floppy disks but gives you choice between DOS, Minix and ext2 only
[11:26] <ubuntu> anyone, shall i purge the /apt/cache/*.pkg files and try again
[11:26] <ubuntu> or shall i purge the /apt/lib/dpkg/info thing?
[11:26] <ubuntu> how this round loop can be broken
[11:28] <NET||abuse> damn.. ok, i'm at a complete loss here,, what can i do?
[11:28] <franta> Hi people!  Is there a way to completely disable all framebuffers? nofb option in grub does not work... I need this to install proprietary NVidia drivers ( with nvidia-current I don't have 3D ) currently I have both nvidia-current and driver directly from nvidia installed and it kinda works, but....
[11:29] <NET||abuse> ahhh, i got debug to run.. now where is that info stored?
[11:29] <ubuntu> im completely lost now about this loop i got into
[11:29] <NET||abuse> if i boot with live cd is it on the drive somewhere?
[11:31] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: what loop? I thought you had a grub problem?
[11:31] <ubuntu> i tried a upgradation to lucid, it allowed me to login once, but on doing a apt-get upgrade it gave me a lot of upgrade and downloaded gbs of file but upon installing that, at one point when it was doing update-initramfs it encountered a problem plymouth and was unable to create the initrd image file and thus not able to run update-grub, so now the system is crashed
[11:31] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: please read the one i posted now you will get the full picture
[11:33] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: sudo update-initramfs -k all -c (that's "all kernels" and "create a new initramfs")
[11:34] <ubuntu> but again the problem when running update-initramfs is throwing is about some missing files, one of the file is that /lib/plymouth/theme/default.plymouth
[11:34] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: and that folder is not available in my system, i guess its not at all installed too.
[11:35] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: so im unable to run that command update-initramfs
[11:35] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: update/upgrade? or sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:36] <ubuntu> now i  did a rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin files and again ran a update and upgrade
[11:36] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: let me see how its gonna go, its downloading now and will take another 7 mins
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> erkk
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> notify-osd is in BOTH top corners of my screen
[11:37] <ubuntu> im not sure whether it is going to work or not.bcoz once again when the upgrade start installing its gonna again call update-initramfs and once again im gonna face the same problem
[11:38] <madalin> I am using an ATI Radeon 4350 and i can't enable compiz. What should i do ?
[11:38] <aprilhare> madalin, panic.
[11:39] <aprilhare> madalin, don't panic :)
[11:39] <madalin> :P
[11:39] <aprilhare> madalin, are there proprietary ati drivers?
[11:39]  * aprilhare is out of the loop on all things ati
[11:40] <madalin> there is one, yes, but after activation and the required reboot i get some errors about missing..
[11:40] <aprilhare> cause i'd check to see if they are latest
[11:40] <aprilhare> delete old ones, install latest ones
[11:40] <aprilhare> that sort of thing
[11:40] <aprilhare> cause i noticed that here. it was bad
[11:41] <maxb> I apologize for my slightly irate tone.... but is Plymouth even REMOTELY ready for release?
[11:41] <aprilhare> plymouth?
[11:41] <maxb> Every time my disks has fscked, it has hung the boot process entirely
[11:42] <maxb> plymouth is the graphical boot nonsense
[11:42] <aprilhare> oh
[11:42] <aprilhare> it just looks ugly here.
[11:42] <aprilhare> and when i go to login, it looks chocolatey. still.
[11:43] <madalin> aprilhare, they are the latest one...
[11:43] <aprilhare> madalin, check to see if old ones are installed too
[11:43] <aprilhare> delete old ones
[11:43] <iconmefisto> maxb: it's remotely ready, yes :) that fsck halting boot is a bug I was reading recently
[11:43] <madalin> how?
[11:43] <aprilhare> reinstall new one after deleting old ones
[11:43] <aprilhare> madalin, use synaptic
[11:44] <iconmefisto> maxb: at least some people said after second boot, everything starts normally
[11:45] <maxb> It does... but that's not really the point
[11:45]  * maxb does not have a good feeling about lucid
[11:45] <iconmefisto> maxb: it's not released yet. that's how it goes
[11:45] <aprilhare> who was it who said moods are for cattle?
[11:45] <aprilhare> think it was from dune
[11:46] <aprilhare> maxb, its ok from my perspective. forced to create a new user account (the old one was cruddified anyways from successive upgrades)
[11:47] <NET||abuse> what log file do I look at now since i added the  debug=  boot param ?
[11:47] <NET||abuse> i'm in the live cd and want to get my machine booting again.
[11:48] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: just guessing, maybe /var/log/debug ?
[11:49] <NET||abuse> iconmefisto, thanks.
[11:49] <NET||abuse> but no, it's saying stuff from 2 hours ago, not 15 minutes ago
[11:50] <NET||abuse> that was right before i finished my upgrade,
[11:50] <NET||abuse> would a clean re-install be a better idea?
[11:50] <NET||abuse> as long as my data is preserved i'mok
[11:51] <NET||abuse> i'd have no problem with that.
[11:51] <madalin> aprilhare: no old ones installed..
[11:51] <NET||abuse> rather than resolve this botched upgrade
[11:53] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: is your home on a separate partition?
[11:53] <NET||abuse> yeh
[11:53] <NET||abuse> thankfully
[11:54] <NET||abuse> 60 gig main parition, 250GB home
[11:55] <JohnFlux> Firefox in ubuntu+1  crashes continually
[11:55] <JohnFlux> after about 5 minutes of use
[11:55] <iconmefisto> NET||abuse: well, you should be able to do a fresh install. just be careful you don't delete or format your home partition
[11:55] <JohnFlux> I don't have any plugins
[11:56] <kwk> Hi there! I need to install a fresh linux distribution aside to my Windows 7 installation. I usually run ubuntu but due to the improvements of 10.04 I don't want to install 9.10. Since 10.04 is in beta I wanted to know if is a pain to update to the latest version of 10.04 once it is out. Can you predict any kind of troubles with it?
[12:02] <iconmefisto> kwk: shouldn't be a problem upgrading once it's released, if that's what you're asking
[12:03] <iconmefisto> JohnFlux: by plugins, you mean extensions?
[12:03] <kwk> iconmefisto: No. I'm asking if it's a good Idea to install beta and update to final.
[12:04] <Freanki> Hi, since the update from 9.10 to 10.4 my system will stop after loading the kernel. No daemons start... But the kernel still works (CTRL+ALT+DEL still works). I already updateded my system in a chroot enviroment but it's still not working. Tried kernel 2.3.32 and 2.3.31
[12:04] <iconmefisto> kwk: yeah that's what I meant. if you have the beta installed, shouldn't be a problem upgrading to final when it's released
[12:04] <kwk> thanks
[12:05] <iconmefisto> kwk: the bugs in the beta is the only thing to worry about, imo
[12:05] <chris4585> Freanki, the other day a few people I know had issues with the latest kernel, I would suggest waiting for an update
[12:05] <Freanki> there was an update to the kernel this morning... :(
[12:05] <Freanki> from -19 to -20
[12:06] <chris4585> yes the x.20 kernel was the problem
[12:06] <iconmefisto> Freanki: ati video, by any chance?
[12:06] <Freanki> iconmefisto: no, nvidia but it's not coming that far...
[12:09] <Freanki> where would be the bugreport in launchpad for my problem?
[12:09] <Freanki> I have no clue for which packages to search
[12:17] <franta> anyone know why with nvidia-current there is no 3D and with the same driver directly from nvidia it works?
[12:21] <G-Farkas> How to install flashplayer in Lucid? I don't have it in the repositories.
[12:23] <franta> G-Farkas: what about flashplugin-installer?
[12:24] <G-Farkas> franta, I supposet to be in the official repos?
[12:25] <G-Farkas> it*
[12:26] <franta> G-Farkas: it's in multiverse
[12:26] <ubuntu> hii iconmefisto: can you tell me what is this grep: /lib/plymouth/themes/default.plymouth: No such file or directory
[12:26] <k1llm3kwik> hey guys
[12:26] <ubuntu> cpio: ./lib/plymouth/.so: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[12:27] <ubuntu> iconmefisto: im running update-initramfs
[12:27] <G-Farkas> franta, I think I made a mistake, I thought that I have It in the cache because the previous karmic installation. Thanks and excuse the question
[12:27] <k1llm3kwik> I have been having a crazy issue with xorg. Everything seems to be fine then it wigs out and makes the screen look 8-bit (if you have ever seen a bad GFX card it looks like that)
[12:28] <k1llm3kwik> 9.10 works great...it is just 10.04
[12:29] <G-Farkas> k1llm3kwik,  did you try to write an xorg.conf ?
[12:29] <G-Farkas> where you specify 24 bits)
[12:29] <k1llm3kwik> yeah I did all the xorg stuff
[12:29] <k1llm3kwik> I even tried to move my xorg file from 9.10
[12:29] <k1llm3kwik> everything works great for a while
[12:30] <k1llm3kwik> then it starts acting up and artifacting...if I move desktops is is fine
[12:30] <G-Farkas> how long is "a while"?
[12:30] <k1llm3kwik> random amount of time
[12:30] <k1llm3kwik> it can be 10 mins or 4 hours
[12:31] <k1llm3kwik> it isn't a heat issue because I am on MINT now and it never happens or I can use 9.10 (3 parts 10.04, 9.10 and Mint 8)
[12:31] <G-Farkas> one it start failing, xorg.conf is still there?
[12:32] <k1llm3kwik> yeah it is still there
[12:32] <k1llm3kwik> same config
[12:32] <G-Farkas> what happens if you reboot?
[12:32] <k1llm3kwik> I also did a full reinstall with beta2 just to make sure it wasn't a bad install
[12:33] <k1llm3kwik> when I reboot...it comes up fine again...for unknown amount of time
[12:33] <k1llm3kwik> most the time it seems to freak out when I am on the web (firefox, chrome or Opera...didn't matter)
[12:33] <G-Farkas> Sorry, I tried
[12:34] <G-Farkas> I really dont have idea of what can be happening
[12:34] <k1llm3kwik> yeah that is where I am...bad part is I love 10.04 for boot times
[12:34] <k1llm3kwik> haha
[12:34] <k1llm3kwik> keep going over every couple of days and doing updates..hoping
[12:35] <G-Farkas> well, if it will be fixed, isnt terrible
[12:35] <G-Farkas> I love 8 bits ;)
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> haha it is all good and livable until the text scrambles
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> then I am screwed
[12:36] <G-Farkas> Just use windows :P
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> I reported it on launchpad so it will get checked up at some point
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> haha fail
[12:36] <k1llm3kwik> I have to use that full time
[12:36] <JohnFlux> iconmefisto: yes, sorry.  I don't have any extensions or anything, but firefox crashes anyway after about 5 minutes of use
[12:37] <G-Farkas> k1llm3kwik, well I have to continue studying, see you
[12:37] <k1llm3kwik> later
[12:38] <vega> "Thanks to all of you for your help in making this past Thursday's beta
[12:38] <vega> release a great success"
[12:38] <sara_> hi :)
[12:38] <vega> and here every second people complaining about non-bootable systems :)
[12:38] <sara_> no sound applet after installing new headers
[12:39] <om26er> sara_, check if indicator-sound is installed
[12:41] <NET||abuse> ok, fresh install, doing full upgrade and see if i fall afoul of the -20 kernel bug
[12:41] <sara_> sorted it wasnt installed
[12:41] <sara_> sorry
[12:41] <NET||abuse> wish i knew what went wrong with my upgrade though :(
[12:42] <bullgard5> What DEB program package includes the Disk Mounter 2.30.0 applet?
[12:43] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me where i can get label.so which should be inside /lib/plymouth/
[12:43] <bullgard5> NET||abuse: Please tell me the Launchpad number of "the -20 kernel bug".
[12:43] <ubuntu> its missing and im unable to do a update-initramfs
[12:44] <ubuntu> anyone have any work around please let me know im in a real problem
[12:48] <franta> plymouth seems like pure trouble to me :)
[12:55] <bullgard5> What DEB program package includes the Disk Mounter 2.30.0 applet?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> one of the many reasons i removed Plymouth
[12:58] <franta> Dr_Willis: how?:)
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> remove /reinstall plymouth if its messed up perhaps?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> franta:  you can disable the /etc/init scripts that run it.. as one way
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> or remove the package
[12:59] <franta> you can't it removes half of the system ...
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. it dident for me the other day
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> removed 2 packages
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> I dont even think it removed ubuntu-desktop
[13:00] <franta> Dr_Willis: do you know how to completely disable framebuffer? I have medium size trouble with nvidia drivers :)
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> franta:  the nofb option to the kernel used to do it.. but even now it seems to load the vesa16fb module
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> perhaps blacklist that module as well
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> and use the nofb option
[13:01] <franta> its' vesa16fb? I thought that it was vga16fb
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> all this stuff they are doing to try to get a 'smooth boot progress' for pure eyecandy
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> it may be.  I like to know what's happening, or at least try to understand...
[13:06]  * patdk-wk wants to dump the graphics on usb boot
[13:06] <patdk-wk> cause that fails so many times, and you dunno if it's just the usb taking forever or not
[13:06] <NET||abuse> hmm, despite any 2.6.32-20 kernel concerns, i seem to be running just fine, and my nvidia driver works now too after reboot
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> OR the fact you dident turn on the external usb HD.. thats hanging it...
[13:06] <NET||abuse> problem,, audio volume control indicator not visible.
[13:06] <NET||abuse> or not loaded?
[13:07] <franta> NET||abuse: do you use nvidia-current?
[13:07] <Psi-Jack> Heh. So how's the kvm support in 10.4 so far? ;)
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> It is amuseing that removeing plymouth now wants to remove
[13:07] <Dr_Willis>  807 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:07] <franta> Dr_Willis: I guess that they just want tu make us use it ...
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> kvm has worked supriseingly well for me.
[13:07] <TommyThaGun> ok, I just did an upgrade, one of the new packages was 2.6.32-20 kernel...
[13:08] <TommyThaGun> did my boot time just decrease 5 seconds
[13:08] <Psi-Jack> Dr_Willis: You ever tried doing migrations with kvm? ;)
[13:08] <TommyThaGun> I think it did
[13:08] <iconmefisto> TommyThaGun: me too
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Psi-Jack:  nope. - I just noticed this one box when it booted ran some kvm stuff and updated thenvidia drivers.. which was  handy.
[13:08] <TommyThaGun> that's amazing
[13:09] <NET||abuse> franta, not sure, just checking which one is loaded..
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> well updated/upgraded... time for a reboots.
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> brb
[13:09] <NET||abuse> franta, i have packages for 173 and current loaded
[13:09] <iconmefisto> TommyThaGun: rebooting is much much faster too
[13:09] <NET||abuse> franta, otherwise which one is running?
[13:09] <iconmefisto> TommyThaGun: I mean the shutdown process
[13:10] <Pici> 21 second boot on first reboot after a fresh install. Only services added were ssh and fail2ban. :D
[13:10] <NET||abuse> franta, hardware driver applet tells me i'm using neither??? ummm, what ?
[13:10] <franta> NET||abuse: current is 195 and with nvidia-current 3D doesn't work for me :( but when I install binary distribudion from nvidia over it it works
[13:10] <franta> NET||abuse: maybe you're on nouveau?
[13:11] <NET||abuse> how can i tell which driver is actually loaded with X?
[13:11] <franta> try nvidia-settings
[13:11] <NET||abuse> driver version 195.36.15
[13:12] <NET||abuse> right now though i've nt volume applet ??
[13:12] <NET||abuse> what gives?
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Update/upgrade - boots
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> this old box is booting in under 30 sec it seems.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> I dont even Notice the Plymouth animation when im sitting here watching it...
[13:13] <franta> my core2 boots in about 27sec :-/
[13:13] <patdk-wk> mine can't make up it's mind between 12s and 15s boots
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> sort of a neat trick getting it so quick.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> expecially when i got an old machine like this
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> the bios POST tests take longer then boot time. and GRUB no longer hangs for like 90 sec on this box.
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> I can imagine how fast a machine with a SSD would be
[13:14] <vega> is there a default mta package installed?
[13:14] <vega> or some lightweight alternative
[13:15] <patdk-wk> I haven't liked the lightweight mta's, as they don't queue
[13:15] <vega> but what
[13:15] <vega> 's the default on a desktop install?
[13:15] <patdk-wk> there isn't one
[13:15] <patdk-wk> if one needs to be isntalled, it will attempt postfix though
[13:15] <vega> ok
[13:16] <vega> also, why do i have cupsd running when using a print server..
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> cups services talk/discover each other
[13:17] <vega> imho ServerName foo.bar in client.conf should be enough for a client/desktop machine
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> so the local box is perhaps connecing to the local cups server thats going to the remote cups
[13:17] <vega> or is there some reason to run an own instance of cupsd? can't think of any right now..
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> as far as i know.. the local box is connecting to its local cups server then going out to the remote box's cups server.. but its been a while since i last did  that.
[13:18] <vega> i still get printer lists from the server and can print without cupsd running
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> remove it then and see.
[13:18] <vega> just tested.. ok, so no need for cupsd
[13:20] <vega> next tune question, no need for a getty process to run on tty1-tty6, is inittab still the right place to disable them?
[13:20] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:20] <vega> apparently not, since it doesn't exist... :)
[13:20] <patdk-wk> inittab hasn't been used for a long time
[13:21] <vega> well, haven't fiddled with these things for some 10 years..
[13:21] <Psi-Jack> Hrmm? inittab hasn't been used for a long time?
[13:21] <vega> seems /etc/init/tty?.conf, iirc sometime ago there was no proper way of disabling upstart services, situation changed?
[13:21] <Pici> Not on Ubuntu
[13:22] <Psi-Jack> hmmm.. Part of the whole upstart system?
[13:22] <vega> as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/94065
[13:23] <patdk-wk> yep, upstart now
[13:23] <patdk-wk> used to be event.d
[13:23] <patdk-wk> and before that inittab :)
[13:23] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. guess I been out of the loop then. ;)
[13:23] <vega> yes, but question remains.. how to disable an upstart script?
[13:24] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having issues with ubuntu server karmic and upgrading to lucid
[13:24] <eagles0513875> Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall is the message i get near the start of upgrading
[13:25] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu has support for grsecurity and PaX these days, right?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> never noticed.
[13:26] <vega> this post seems to suggest a .noexec extension: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1351501 but what happens during upgrade?
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> Wasent there supposed tobe some 'feature' where you could move windows around by clicking on the titlebar or menu area and drag windows?
[13:26]  * patdk-wk spanks eagles0513875
[13:26] <eagles0513875> what patdk-wk
[13:27] <joris_> Does anybody know what happened with the F11 shortcut in openoffice?
[13:28] <joris_> It brings up fullscreen