[01:32] <BobGreenwill> It says "#ubuntu You are banned from this channel."
[02:58] <BobGreenwill> It says " #ubuntu  Cannot send to channel "...
[03:13] <semitones> check #ubuntu
[03:16] <semitones> Romney2012 is spamming the channel
[04:22] <genii> @btlogin
[04:24] <bazhang> trying to understand yoyoma
[04:24] <bazhang> his space key seems to be missing or broken
[05:01] <genii> I think I have the #k floodbots sorted out finally, I unbanned them now and nothings exploded (yet)
[05:02] <nhandler> genii: Good to hear. Did you let Riddell know?
[05:03] <genii> nhandler: Yeah I PMd him I unbanned the bots already
[05:03] <nhandler> :)
[05:47]  * jussi01 is sleepy
[05:51]  * genii slides jussi01 a coffee
[05:52]  * mneptok drops a Benadryl in it
[05:53]  * jussi01 thwarts mneptok...
[05:53] <jussi01> thanks genii!
[05:53] <genii> jussi01: No problemmo
[07:00]  * genii ponders a !chrome
[07:05] <jussi01> genii: add chrome to !browser and alias it
[07:05] <jussi01> !browser
[07:06] <genii> jussi01: I'll think more tomorrow about it... Going to bed in a minute or two here
[07:12] <jussi01> nini genii
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <Myrtti> moin
[08:41] <ikonia> !appeals
[09:32] <elky> * venuism<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-women <-- for some strange reason this raises my eyebrows.
[09:33] <Myrtti> indeed
[09:33] <Myrtti> he's had a sshow in #freenode
[10:49] <elky> jussi01, jpds, other ubot* owners: did akgraner request a bot for #ubuntu-women-project yet?
[10:49] <jpds> No.
[10:49] <jussi01> elky: I havent seen one
[10:49] <elky> consider this her request by proxy then
[10:50] <elky> thanks jpds
[11:11] <jpds> elky: No problem.
[11:19] <Gryllida> "#ubuntu  #ubuntu-ops  Forwarding to another channel" Why?
[11:20] <Gryllida> "#ubuntu  Cannot send to channel" Why?
[11:20] <Tm_T> Gryllida: hi, sounds like someone wanted to talk to you here before you can be allowed in #ubuntu
[11:20] <Gryllida> Why?
[11:21] <Tm_T> I don't know (yet), please wait
[11:24] <Tm_T> Gryllida: ah, you have spellingbot or similar popping into #ubuntu?
[11:24] <Gryllida> No.
[11:25] <Tm_T> I should be elsewhere btw, someone please
[11:25] <elky> Gryllida, you have a bot running on your network. it's been banned from #ubuntu for being a problem.
[11:26] <elky> this first happened on feb 10 and again today, feb 17
[11:27] <elky> the ban is there to prevent it going back on. if you can disable the bot, we can let you back in to the channel
[11:30] <Gryllida> This is who I am: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/4817791 I don't make spelling bots... This must be Bob Greenwill... a nasty person in my room who found my Chatzilla. ;) I think he is the only person in the world who could imitate a spelling bot... What was it like?
[11:31] <Gryllida> must have been a NASTY "bot" ;) There isn't one in my Chatzilla, though.
[11:31] <Gryllida> now
[11:31] <Myrtti> penny for every claim of "it was my roommate/brother"
[11:32] <elky> Gryllida, please be honest. trying to blame someone else isn't a nice thing to do and usually loses our sympathy.
[11:33] <Gryllida> Well, there isn't a bot in my Chatzilla now... Neither I see one at my whole hard drive. Never seen a code of a one. Honestly!
[11:35] <Gryllida> I was just wondering how I can add a input locale to Ubuntu.. In Windows it's pretty uncomfortable some times.
[11:38] <elky> Gryllida, so you've removed the bot from your chatzilla now?
[11:38] <Gryllida> no
[11:38] <Gryllida> I didn't have any
[11:38] <Gryllida> Don't you believe that https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/4817791 is me? Check there below the picture, I've added letter "U"
[11:38] <Gryllida> I don't know how to make a bot.
[11:39] <elky> if you havent' made any change, then I cannot let your network in as the bot will also get back in. i need assurance the bot is gone.
[11:41] <Gryllida> Can you tell me what did the bot react at? Was there anything what reproduced its reaction always?
[11:42] <Gryllida> I can offer the following steps to test it: 1) Maybe you can let me in #ubuntu 2) then you will type something what the "bot" reacts at 3) then we'll see what happens.
[11:43] <Gryllida> These steps can work if the bot didn't do big-volumed messages at once
[11:50] <Gryllida> Connection was reset because of my Internet connection. The last word I saw was "Hello?" If you asked anything after, please repeat
[11:51] <Tm_T> Gryllida: Hi, no I don't think we would do any "testruns"
[11:52] <Gryllida> Hm. I could send you a screen-shot... Or I can send you my 60GB hard drive... I just don't see a spelling BOT here.
[11:53] <elky> * Gryllida<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops  as compered to  2010-02-17T12:19:44 *** spellingbot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ikonia (please visit #ubuntu-ops if you wish to discuss your removal))
[11:53] <elky> you have the same ip address.
[11:55] <Gryllida> I just don't see a spelling BOT here. I think it is gone now. If it's there again with the same IP as me, send me an e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, I will delete all my addons that I created for Firefox
[12:00] <Tm_T> Gryllida: I unfortunately cannot see you talking the truth
[12:04] <Tm_T> Gryllida: so, what I suggest, please come back when you are willing to discuss about this honestly (:
[12:05] <Gryllida> I am. Don't you believe that I am https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/user/4817791 ?
[12:06] <Gryllida> I think I will be asking this question at the mailing list. Thanks for attention.
[12:07] <Gryllida> If you suddenly decide to believe me, please e-mail me to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>bye
[12:15] <Gryllida> Here it is: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-February/211260.html But the #ubuntu channel could have helped me quicker...  If I was really an owner of a bot, I would just change my IP in a second or two... Thanks for attention anyhow!
[12:22] <Gryllida> Then, please describe what the "bot" did... At least I will know the adventure fully. What user-name did it have? Why didn't the channel like it?
[12:23]  * gnomefreak wonders if im the only one confused
[12:23] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: you are (;
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: thanks
[12:24] <gnomefreak> looking at logs in a min
[12:24] <Tm_T> Gryllida: problem is, you're not telling the truth about other things, so I don't see why you would tell the truth about bot
[12:24] <Gryllida> Where I am not telling the truth?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> the link is to a mailing list what does a bot or #ubuntu have to do with that :(
[12:25]  * gnomefreak goes back into corner until i am caught up
[12:25] <Gryllida> This is the support question I have. I wanted to ask it at #ubuntu.
[12:25] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: this is person who has been banforwarded here because there's been misbehaviour from the very same ip
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: ah
[12:26] <gnomefreak> good starting point :P
[12:26] <Gryllida> Was there a liar nicknamed "Gryllida" before?
[12:26] <Gryllida> Should I register my nick?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> couldnt hurt
[12:27] <Gryllida> Where should I do it?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> !register
[12:27] <gnomefreak> :) yay it was right one
[12:27] <Gryllida> Hm, now I will wonder what "ops" is in alike manner...
[12:27] <Gryllida> !ops
[12:28] <bazhang> what?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> oh please dont do that
[12:28] <MenZa> 'Gryllida: Please don't do that.
[12:28] <Gryllida> Ops = channel emergency... Now I know. Thanks, ubottu.
[12:28] <bazhang> this the spellingbot guy?
[12:28] <Gryllida> No, of course.
[12:28] <Tm_T> is any of you willing to take control of this issue? I just don't have the time
[12:28] <Tm_T> bazhang: same ip
[12:28] <bazhang> Tm_T, yep
[12:29] <Gryllida> I just saw the "!register" line and wandered what "!ops" is in alike manner.... I don't know what "ops" is.
[12:29] <Tm_T> thanks, I need to vanish again (:
[12:29] <bazhang> Gryllida, you were running the spellingbot in #ubuntu earlier
[12:29] <Gryllida> I'll ask ubottu
[12:29] <Gryllida> !spelling bot
[12:29] <Gryllida> "<ubottu>	Sorry, I don't know anything about spelling bot"
[12:30] <bazhang> Gryllida, did you wish to resolve this?
[12:30] <Gryllida> Who is ubottu?
[12:30] <Gryllida> ubottu who are you?
[12:30] <bazhang> Gryllida, could you please focus on the matter at hand and answer my question?
[12:30] <Gryllida> aa
[12:31] <Gryllida> Another bot... Seems that everybody here makes bots...
[12:31] <Gryllida> Okay,
[12:31] <Gryllida> !how to make a bot
[12:31] <bazhang> Gryllida, I'll ask again, did you wish to resolve this?
[12:31] <Gryllida> Administrators, I am sorry for this stuff... I am just new here, I am a computer science student...
[12:33] <Gryllida> I didn't know that "!" is an operator. This chat was in English up to this point. Some programming languages have operators... I found this one "!" operator and tried it out. Seems that it works when I talk with ubottu privately...
[12:34] <Gryllida> Only English has no operators...
[12:34] <Gryllida> Any other operators here?
[12:35] <Gryllida> aa, I see, this is "OPs", "OPeratorS", must be plenty of them. Strange... Maybe "==" is an operator here too? I will test it at ubottu's room...
[12:35] <jrib> Gryllida: why not learn a programming language with your time instead?  At the end you could say, "that was productive, I learned a programming language"  What you are doing now is just wasting your and other's time
[12:36] <Gryllida> This programming language ... I know JS, XML, C++, Visual Basic, XUL, but nothing like "!register" or "!ops" before
[12:36] <Gryllida> This is interesting
[12:36] <jrib> Gryllida: and then you could program an artificial op, and try to troll him.  It would be like playing chess against yourself, you always win
[12:37] <Gryllida> Artificial operator? No, there are plenty of them already, "+", "add", "!"... I find using existing languages enough for any purpose
[12:38] <Myrtti> Gryllida: can you move on?
[12:38] <Gryllida> yes
[12:38] <jrib> Gryllida: anyway *I'm* off to do more productive things, good luck
[12:38] <Gryllida> I am turning some things into experiments sometimes...
[12:39] <Gryllida> Sometimes it's dangerous, but you see I stopped
[12:40] <Gryllida> Didn't any new user wonder what ops is in an alike manner? I am pretty surprised.... Anyhow, good for this channel
[12:40] <bazhang> seems to be nothing left to discuss then
[12:43] <jussi01> the lad in #ubuntu is correct, there is some redirect,  on that page (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ideas_in_preparation/)
[12:45] <Gryllida> I've registered my nick and I think that when enabling a new input locale in Ubuntu I will need operators. (I'm telling this because you told me to "feel free to return if you have something that the operators can help with.")
[12:45] <Myrtti> the operators as the people with moderator rights?
[12:46] <Gryllida> no
[12:46] <Gryllida> and yes too
[12:46] <Myrtti> feel free to accustomize yourself with the irc lingo
[12:46] <Gryllida> because I still want to join #ubuntu
[12:46] <Myrtti> thats what it means here
[12:46] <Gryllida> ok I remember
[12:47] <Gryllida> I promise to not use a "!" without first asking ubottu what it is.
[12:47] <Gryllida> e.g. what the word following ! can trigger
[12:48] <tsimpson> jussi01: seems they don't escape HTML tags, so scripts can be inserted
[12:48] <Gryllida> are there any other dangerous ...symbols I should use with care?
[12:48] <Myrtti> ok, i give up on this one
[12:49] <Gryllida> did spelling bot also say " !   ... ops " ?
[12:49] <Gryllida> i am curious to know what the bot was like
[12:50]  * Mamarok is wondering if this is ever going anywhere...
[12:50] <bazhang> anyone know the brainstorm channel? I am getting nothing from alis
[12:50] <Tm_T> Gryllida: we are not discussing about that here, only if you are willing to discuss about the (reason of the) ban honestly
[12:51] <Gryllida> can you un-ban me?
[12:51] <Tm_T> Gryllida: not until we have discussed the issue honestly
[12:51] <Gryllida> begin
[12:52] <Gryllida> I am doing it for the last ... about hour
[12:52] <Tm_T> no, you haven't
[12:52] <Gryllida> I had
[12:52] <Gryllida> No? Why do you think so?
[12:53] <bazhang> the nick was wre then morphed to spelling bot
[12:53] <Gryllida> ask a question
[12:53] <Gryllida> i'll answer honestly
[12:53] <bazhang> same exact IP address
[12:53] <Gryllida> aa... you want me to ask bob greenwill where his spelling bot is, right?
[12:54] <Tm_T> Gryllida: oh come on
[12:54] <Gryllida> i already asked him... he said he imitated it, e.g. did many copy and paste operations...
[12:54] <Gryllida> did the bot output similar lines?
[12:55] <Gryllida> i think there should have been some irregularity in the bot's work... didn't you guess that it was a human?
[12:56] <Tm_T> Gryllida: doesn't matter
[12:57] <Tm_T> Gryllida: I see this issue cannot be dealt this time, please come back no sooner than 24 hours AND with honest attitude, thanks
[12:58] <Tm_T> Gryllida: please leave now
[13:03] <Tm_T> bah, was just about to do that
[13:04] <Myrtti> what is indus up to?
 rww, my home page is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_spelling
[13:07] <Gryllida> I am polite here. The impolite thing was the "! ops" line (now I write it with a space). Other were just fine... please un-ban me
[13:07] <bazhang> he was trolling quite a bit earlier as the user 'wre'
[13:07] <Gryllida> aa, I went away, you started to discuss the bot
[13:07] <Gryllida> come along ;)
[13:08] <bazhang> Gryllida, it's not been 24 hours
[13:08] <Gryllida> well, you banned it, it just couldn't
[13:08] <Gryllida> the bot couldn't operate for 24 hours since you banned it
[13:08] <Gryllida> no surprise
[13:09] <Gryllida> did it give the line " my home page is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_spelling" many times ?
[13:09] <Gryllida> wait, is that channel #ubuntu logged anywhere?
[13:09] <Gryllida> I just am curious to read it somewhen
[13:10] <Pici> !logs
[13:11] <Gryllida> I wasn't smart enough to ask ubottu about logs. Seems that I will try to find ubottu's dictionary index sometime. Thank you. I am visiting the links.
[13:12] <Gryllida> Maybe I will see that channel in read-only mode now ;)
[13:12] <jpds> Gryllida: With an hour-delay, sure.
[13:14] <Gryllida> No. Don't you see it's a human? First ikonia asked him, then rww, but he responded to rww first . February 17, [12:18]
[13:14] <Gryllida> "No" is expression of my surpeise
[13:15] <Gryllida> now the Q is how I don't let Bob find my chatzilla in future...
[13:15] <bazhang> Gryllida, your ban won't be lifted until there is some resolution to this. The best way to go forward is to come back in 24 hours with a more honest and open attitude
[13:16] <Gryllida> this was because I forgot to log off. Bob plays many games and this was just another one.
[13:16] <bazhang> Gryllida, there won't be a debate on the logs.
[13:18] <Gryllida> Don't worry, I will come back in a week after I install Ubuntu. Then I think Bob will talk with you about it.
[13:18] <Gryllida> Bye
[13:18] <Gryllida> Thanks for letting me look at the "bot". It is a human. While it is me here, it is nothing dangerous ;)
[13:18] <Pici> Okay then.
[13:19] <Myrtti> word
[13:19] <jpds> Groovy.
[13:38] <niko>  if (tree.dataDescriptor.hasChildren(e.itemRenderer.data))
[13:38] <niko> 					   {
[13:38] <niko> oups, sorry
[13:39]  * topyli steals niko's code
[13:50] <ikonia> fyi Gryllida wasn't actually as bot, it was someone pretending to be a bot
[13:50] <indus> hi
[13:50] <ikonia> hello
[13:51] <indus> 1 question,how do you people assign work among yourselves for 1 day, for example, 1 op cannot do it all day
[13:52] <ikonia> it's just self managed
[13:52] <Myrtti> magic
[13:52] <indus> really?
[13:53] <ikonia> yup, quite easy with people split across time zones
[13:53] <ikonia> and a bit of self managment
[13:53] <indus> ok,so when selecting the ops,they keep this in mind ?
[13:54] <ikonia> time zone, sure
[13:54] <Myrtti> more or less
[13:54] <indus> so how many countries are all of you from
[13:54] <indus> any op from india?
[13:54] <ikonia> many, across the world
[13:54] <ikonia> don't know
[13:54] <ikonia> but that time zone is certainly covered
[13:54] <indus> you not in contact with all the other ops?
[13:55] <Myrtti> the india timezone is taken care of by overlap of eastern asia/australia and europe
[13:55] <ikonia> yes, but can't remember where everyone is from all the time
[13:55] <indus> you surely must have meetings regularlt no?
[13:55] <ikonia> yes there are meetings
[13:55] <ikonia> I can't think of anyone from indian specifically
[13:55] <indus> ok
[13:57] <indus> ok thanks , had few more questions but forgot now
[13:57] <indus> aha got 1
[13:57] <ikonia> go on
[13:57] <indus> i have noticed , the ops rarely return your greetings, is that an irc thing?
[13:57] <indus> honest question that one
[13:57] <ikonia> errrrr people normally say "i"
[13:57] <jussi01> indus: return your greetings?
[13:57] <ikonia> "hi"
[13:58] <indus> i may not know you personally, but i see all of you often in #ubuntu and do say hi once in a while but never comes back
[13:58] <indus> why is it
[13:58] <ikonia> indus: saying "hi" back in ubuntu would be 1400 users,
[13:58] <jussi01> channel scroll
[13:58] <indus> legit way to reduce chatter?
[13:59] <ikonia> indus: if you say "hi" in ubuntu normally few people say hi back, not just ops
[13:59] <jussi01> indus: if you say hi in #ubuntu-offtopic you michgt get a better response
[13:59] <indus> lol
[13:59] <indus> maybe you missed the point
[14:00] <indus> i rephrase the question, is saying hi discouraged and you suggest users directly start with their questions?
[14:00] <jussi01> indus: users are free to say hi when they enter, but we dont encourage it
[14:01] <Tm_T> I'd say not discouraged but not also mandatory
[14:01] <jussi01> what he said ^^
[14:01] <indus> jussi01, also, iam not quite sure why you told me i might get a better response in off topic
[14:01] <Myrtti> indus: for saying "hi"? because it's the chat channel, not support channel, and with less people
[14:02] <jussi01> indus: if you want people to greet you, say hi in -offtopic, more people are likely to chatter...
[14:03] <indus> seems like i hit a brick wall in here
[14:03] <jussi01> indus: ?
[14:03] <indus> nvm , see you around
[14:03] <jussi01> ??
[14:05] <elky> those two characters pretty much encapsulate discussions with indus, in my experience.
[14:06] <elky> though i usually go for the third, just for balance.
[15:21] <genii> Oops forgot to /away
[15:23] <MenZa> :p
[15:23] <MenZa> I forget that too often.
[15:26]  * genii sneaks MenZa another coffee from /away-land
[15:27] <MenZa> \o
[15:36] <Myrtti> persia: mind doing a +b *!*@unaffiliated/eagles0513875$##fix_your_connection in -motu
[15:36] <Myrtti> thanks jpds
[15:36] <Myrtti> that bouncing hurt me eyes
[15:36] <persia> Myrtti: Apparently I can't.  I discovered about 15 hours ago that I'm not an op on -motu as previously thought :(
[15:37] <Myrtti> aw
[15:37] <persia> I expect this to be resolved at some point, but ... :)
[15:38] <persia> Thanks jpkds
[15:38] <persia> s/k//
[15:40] <Mamarok> off to work, later
[15:41] <eagles0513875> hey guys can i get unbanned from kubuntu ubuntu+1 and ubuntu-motu. i honestly dont know what was happening with my connection but it seems everythign is fine now
[15:42] <Pici> eagles0513875: sure
[15:42] <eagles0513875> thanks Pici honestly dont know what happened. just let me know when the ban has been lifted
[15:43] <Pici> eagles0513875: you're all set.
[15:43] <eagles0513875> thanks Pici and sry about that
[16:34] <ardchoille> I think andreas_ in #ubuntu is a bot, not being very productive and not responding to pleas to be so
[16:45]  * MenZa ponders /arbn andreas_ hurr durr ban hurrrr
[16:46] <MenZa> Pici: Are you talking to him, or should I open up a /query?
[16:47] <Pici> MenZa: I'm juggling a few different things right now, you can talk to him if you wish.
[16:47] <MenZa> Pici: Gone now - should I add a forward here?
[16:50] <MenZa> Do we have auto_bleh for seven yet?
[16:54]  * MenZa runs off for lunch.
[16:58] <Pici> MenZa: are you in my timezone now?
[17:02] <Myrtti> he's clearly drifting again
[17:11] <bazhang> darthanubis telling user to just google it in #kubuntu
[17:12] <jpds> bazhang: He should be telling them to upgrade to GNOME.
[17:12] <bazhang> ha
[17:12] <bazhang> he's banned in #ubuntu for that behaviour btw
[17:30] <MenZa> Pici: Perhaps, perhaps.
[17:38] <bazhang> someone want to step in on #kubuntu ? darthanubis has pretty much alienated everyone
[17:40] <Myrtti> eeeerrrrrrrr
[17:45] <jussi01> wth?
[17:46] <Pici> I just got back to my desk and I'm thinking the same thing.
[17:47] <hcook> hello
[17:47] <jussi01> hi
[17:48] <hcook> i was in #ubuntu a few minutes ago and tried to inform someone of the spanish channel, and freenode banned my ip instantly for "spamming"
[17:48] <hcook> i'm now on a different computer/ip and using my other nick...just wondering if someone can unban me since i really wasn't spamming
[17:48] <jussi01> hcook: you need to talk to freenode about that
[17:49] <hcook> jussi01: how do i go about that?
[17:49] <jussi01> hcook: join #freenode
[17:49] <hcook> but also, you guys should probably look into why freenode thinks that "
[17:49] <jussi01> hcook: we are looking into it
[17:49] <hcook> look at 17:38 gmt you can see my other nick (yaaar) just doing "!es | Sifrega"
[17:50] <hcook> jussi01: ok, thanks. i'll get with freenode on the ban. just wanted to let yo uknow
[17:50] <Dominian> hcook: what nick were you suign when it happened?
[17:50]  * Dominian just got here
[17:51] <Dominian> hcook: ping
[17:55] <Dominian> jussi01: thanks for the ping,, I think we got it sorted now
[17:55] <jussi01> Dominian: great . :)
[17:55] <Pici> Dominian: Thanks
[18:00] <Dominian> sorry for the issues guys.. man
[18:00] <Dominian> what a nightmare
[18:00] <bazhang> hehe
[18:00] <bazhang> the bot will need to email klines@
[19:18] <jussi01> Dominian: hows that kline situation?
[19:18] <Dominian> jussi01: er.. it was fixed a while ago
[19:18] <Dominian> :)
[19:18] <Dominian> at least within minutes of it occurring
[19:18] <jussi01> Dominian: great, just wanted to make sure :D
[19:19] <Dominian> no worries :0
[21:32] <jussi01> have we a nice shiny new auto_Bleh yet?
[22:34] <Gryllida> Haallo. Why can't I send to channel #ubuntu ?
[22:39] <Gryllida> It says "#ubuntu  #ubuntu-ops  Forwarding to another channel" and "#ubuntu  Cannot send to channel". Help!
[22:42] <Gryllida> !help
[22:42] <Gryllida> Why can't I send to channel #ubuntu ?
[22:42] <elky> The same reason you couldn't last night.
[22:42] <Gryllida> ?
[22:42] <Gryllida> I removed the bot several hour ago.
[22:43] <Gryllida> the "bot" who was a human
[22:43] <Gryllida> He  is now very far
[22:43] <elky> Aha, so you did know what the problem was.
[22:43] <Gryllida> So I told you.
[22:43] <elky> No, you tried to claim you didn't know
[22:45] <Gryllida> I am not going to tell about how I removed it, you will laugh so that you'll be unable to type anything... Then you will not be able to un-ban me. No, making you laugh that lot is not what I am going to do.
[22:45] <elky> jussi01, still around?
[22:46] <elky> i need to go to work, you'll have to wait for someone else
[22:46] <Gryllida> Is an un-ban so long?
[22:59] <Gryllida> Hi! Please open me the door to #ubuntu !
[23:00] <ikonia> hello Gryllida
[23:00] <Gryllida> hello
[23:00] <ikonia> Gryllida: can you explain to me why someone was pretending to be a bot using your computer and xchat client ?
[23:00] <ikonia> ban
[23:00] <ikonia> seeing as I was the one who placed the abn
[23:00] <Gryllida> Sorry, what is "abn"?
[23:01] <ikonia> ban
[23:01] <Gryllida> Well, I don't think you will believe me.
[23:01] <jpds> ikonia: No, they were using chatzilla.
[23:01] <Gryllida> I am using it now too.
[23:02] <Gryllida> The problem that I told the right things here yesterday but they didn't believe me.
[23:02] <ikonia> ahh chatzilla sorry
[23:02] <ikonia> my notes said xchat, the ban was chatzilla though on firefox
[23:02] <ikonia> Gryllida: can you explain why on multiple occasions someone has pretended to be a bot using your PC
[23:03] <Gryllida> Because my friends had a party. They were the people whom I didn't see for several years. They were here about 2 weeks.  I'm sure it was him.
[23:05] <ikonia> so are you trying to suggest that you where using IRC in the middle of a party, got kicked, then 2 minutes later, someone else - without your knowledge logged to you computer and pretneded to be a bot
[23:05] <Gryllida> Now he is far away.
[23:05] <Gryllida> Bob was using it on Feb 17
[23:05] <ikonia> all day ?
[23:05] <Gryllida> Yes.
[23:05] <ikonia> I thought it was at a party ?
[23:06] <Gryllida> The party was in one room... The computer was upstairs.
[23:06] <ikonia> all day ?
[23:06] <Gryllida> Bob went upstairs... I didn't see that he disappeared.
[23:06] <Gryllida> Yes, all day.
[23:06] <ikonia> you do know your real name on the irc client is "bob"
[23:06] <ikonia> eg: you are bob
[23:07] <Gryllida> Gryllida is me, my registered nick
[23:07] <ikonia> yet your client real name is "Bob"
[23:07] <Gryllida> Maybe he set it to "Bob", wait I will look
[23:08] <Tm_T> ikonia: not to mention he did use bobgreenwill nick today
[23:08] <Tm_T> err, yesterday
[23:08] <Gryllida> Yes, not surprising.
[23:09] <Gryllida> I would not know anything about Bob's activity if he didn't leave the "Bob Greenwill" name in my chatzilla.
[23:09] <ikonia> Tm_T: yes,
[23:09] <ikonia> I was getting to that
[23:09] <ikonia> and the q0k nick name as well as wre
[23:10] <ikonia> Gryllida: the fact is I personally think you are not telling the truth.
[23:10] <Gryllida> Bob could have used 100 names that day, I would not be surprised.
[23:10] <ikonia> either that or you are not really in control of your computer
[23:10] <ikonia> Gryllida: was bob using the PC on the 10th of Feb to ?
[23:10] <Gryllida> The second one.
[23:10] <Gryllida> Yes... But I think that wasn't so long.
[23:10] <ikonia> Gryllida: ok, while you're not in control of your computer I can't remove the ban
[23:10] <ikonia> ooh, so that was bob to on the 10th
[23:10] <Gryllida> Well, I just forgot to log off two times...
[23:10] <ikonia> ok, well I don't think we can remove the ban as Bob may come back
[23:11] <Gryllida> Bob noticed this
[23:11] <Gryllida> Bob can't
[23:11] <Gryllida> He is in another country
[23:11] <ikonia> I don't want to chance it
[23:11] <Gryllida> Bob can't! Otherwise than from his ip
[23:11] <Gryllida> ikonia, do you see?
[23:12] <ikonia> Gryllida: I do see, but I don't believe you
[23:12] <Gryllida> Strange...
[23:12] <Tm_T> burmas: hi how can we help you?
[23:12] <ikonia> that's my personal opinion, so I won't be removing the ban
[23:13] <Gryllida> Well, I saw that "bot"... Typical human
[23:13] <Gryllida> not a "bot"
[23:13] <jrib> welcome back Gryllida
[23:13] <Gryllida> You seem to think that I am Bob Greenwill
[23:14] <Gryllida> Hang on, I will type my real name in now
[23:14] <ikonia> Gryllida: I've made the position quite clear
[23:14] <ikonia> Gryllida: I don't believe what you're saying based on what I've seen, so I won't be removing the ban at this time
[23:15] <Gryllida> ikonia>	Tell me where you don't believe me
[23:15] <ikonia> in every line you've said
[23:15] <Gryllida> ikonia, I don't see any contradictions
[23:15] <Gryllida> ikonia, I don't see why we are doing all this... Just because I forgot to log off two times
[23:15] <ikonia> I didn't say contradictions, I said I don't believe what you are typing
[23:15] <Gryllida> ikonia, why don'
[23:16] <Gryllida> tt you believe?
[23:16] <ikonia> because you've been other nicknames last night when you said it was bob
[23:16] <ikonia> because you've done this before - and it's been "bob"
[23:16] <Gryllida> Which?
[23:16] <Gryllida> Last night I was Gryllida
[23:16] <ikonia> bobgreenwill
[23:16] <ikonia> wre
[23:17] <Gryllida> at 10:00 AM UTC Bob was gone yesterday
[23:17] <Gryllida> maybe I appeared as bobgreenwill since I didn't see that this name was left in my chatzilla
[23:17] <ikonia> ok - my personal opinion, I don't believe you
[23:17] <ikonia> so I'm not removing the bob
[23:17] <ikonia> the ban
[23:17] <Gryllida> :)
[23:18] <ikonia> that's my stance
[23:18] <Gryllida> I said yesterday: if you see that bot there again, e-mail me and I will delete my add-ons for Firefox.
[23:18] <ikonia> I'm not changing it at this time, another operator can remove it if they have more confidence
[23:18] <Gryllida> ikonia>	Ii's night in the USA
[23:18] <ikonia> it wasn't a bot
[23:18] <ikonia> it was a person pretending to be a bot
[23:18] <Gryllida> ikonia, I need support at that channel now...
[23:19] <ikonia> then you should either a.) stop telling lies b.) take better control of securing your computer
[23:19] <Gryllida> b) is fine
[23:19] <Gryllida> I did change it...
[23:19] <Gryllida> I set some more secure settings about users here
[23:19] <ikonia> well, bob still had access after you came in here last night, so you've failed
[23:19] <Gryllida> When?
[23:19] <ikonia> look - I don't believe you
[23:19] <Gryllida> UTC time, please
[23:19] <ikonia> I'm not removing the ban, so I'm going to stop discussing it now.
[23:20] <Gryllida> Please not!
[23:20] <Gryllida> When did you see "bob"?
[23:20] <Gryllida> bob still had access after you came in here last night - I am sure that it was not true
[23:21] <Gryllida> UTC time, please
[23:21] <Gryllida> ahh, are you there?
[23:21] <Gryllida> ikonia, I did give many details about me, can you please just give me the time?
[23:21] <mneptok> 04:17 -!- BobGreenwill<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops
[23:21] <mneptok> 04:18 -!- Gryllida<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops
[23:21] <mneptok> 04:19 -!- BobGreenwill<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:21] <Gryllida> True!
[23:22] <jpds> "b) is fine" ← is a) is.... not fine?
[23:22] <mneptok> you *and* "Bob" /joined this channel within seconds of each other
[23:22] <Gryllida> This is because when I started Chatzilla there was his nickname
[23:22] <mneptok> so either Bob is using your computer without your knowledge, and is invisible and takes up no physical space, or you are lying.
[23:22] <Gryllida> Then I went to #ubuntu
[23:22] <Gryllida> Then I changed the nickname
[23:22] <mneptok> ummm ...
[23:23] <Gryllida> ummm?
[23:23] <mneptok> you *AND* Bob joined *at the same time*
[23:23] <Gryllida> wait, I will change nickname now, let's look at what it will look like
[23:23] <Gryllida1> Well, where is the "Gryllida quit" message?
[23:24] <Gryllida1> Is this channel in another mode now?
[23:24] <mneptok> before you tell lies, you might want to have a better understanding of the technology you are lying about.
[23:24] <ikonia> no - you're telling lies
[23:24] <ikonia> Gryllida1: leave the channel and come back when you want to tell the truth
[23:24] <Gryllida1> This is what I did: changed tha name as soon as I saw it
[23:24] <Gryllida1> honestly!
[23:25] <ikonia> Gryllida1: you're ban will not be removed at this time as I told you.
[23:25] <Gryllida1> Now we are going to reproduce the effect with changing nickname
[23:25] <ikonia> nothing is going to happen
[23:25] <Gryllida1> the problem is that I don't see a "Gryllida quit" message yet
[23:26] <ikonia> please leave the channel and come back wnen you are prepared to tell the truth then we can remove the ban
[23:26] <Gryllida1> Well
[23:26] <Gryllida1> please tell which channel Ishould use to experiment
[23:26] <Gryllida1> with changing nickname
[23:26] <ikonia> thats nothing to do with us
[23:26] <ikonia> please leave the channel and come back when you want to tell the truth
[23:27] <jpds> I'd let him back into #ubuntu.
[23:28] <Gryllida> Please set this channel to a mode so that quits are displayed
[23:28] <jpds> They... always are?
[23:28] <Gryllida> I changed my name... oldname should have quit
[23:28] <jpds> Err, no.
[23:29] <jpds> ...
[23:29] <ikonia> Gryllida: stop
[23:29] <ikonia> Gryllida: stop
[23:29] <Bobgreenwill> sorry
[23:29] <ikonia> Bobgreenwill: stop using this channel for testing
[23:29] <Bobgreenwill> what channel to test on?
[23:29] <Bobgreenwill> aa, I know
[23:29] <Bobgreenwill> I will open another one
[23:29] <ikonia> Bobgreenwill: well, you're real name changed
[23:29] <ikonia> that means you're using two different client
[23:30] <jpds> ikonia: I'd let him back in, just to see what he does.
[23:30] <ikonia> nah, I don't think it's too much to tell the truth
[23:30] <ikonia> everyone makes silly mistakes, I'd have no problem unbanning him from that
[23:31] <ikonia> this pathetic messing around isn't very popular
[23:31] <ikonia> bed time
[23:31] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:31] <ikonia> oops
[23:31] <ikonia> night
[23:57] <Gryllida> Hello. You wondered about the name change I had: first Bob in, then Gryllida in, then Bob out. Right?