[07:41] <alkisg> Hi, I found the Ubuntu server guide at 2 different pages, and their contents are not syncronized. Which one would be the correct?
[07:41] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/index.html
[07:41] <alkisg> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[08:03] <alkisg> `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-serverguide` on 9.10 gives me the contents of the first link, and it misses e.g. the "configuring ldap backend" part


[17:58] <Tadpole_Jackson> I'm using php7 and apache2 under ubuntu server 16, and the php.ini file looks like it's for a windows version of php7. This is different than I usually find in a linux distribution. Is this to be expected?
[17:58] <Guest26171> Hi all
[17:59] <reisio> Tadpole_Jackson: in what way does it look like it's for windows?
[17:59] <reisio> Guest26171: hi; /nick anythingelse
[17:59] <Tadpole_Jackson> it references extensions as having .dll extensions, rather than .so extensions, and there are no lines present for .so extensions
[17:59] <Tadpole_Jackson> the .dll lines are commented out
[17:59] <Tadpole_Jackson> But the ini itself references win32 in comments frequently.
[18:00] <k1l_> Tadpole_Jackson: is this the original ubuntu package?
 do you use gtk# ?
[18:01] <Tadpole_Jackson> k1l_, yes, i've installed from official media and downloaded from default apt repos
[18:01] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: what file are you referring to? what version of php7?
[18:01] <Tadpole_Jackson> /etc/php/7.0/cli/php.ini
[18:01] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: looking
[18:01] <Guest26171> what about gtk# executing in windows?)
[18:02] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: i see .. "For instance on Windows..."
[18:03] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: it's direct from php source, should be the same in all distributions, pretty much
[18:03] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: nad immediatley following is a .so line
[18:03] <Tadpole_Jackson> as en example, yes
[18:04] <Tadpole_Jackson> but I don't find the .so lines for enabling dynamic extensions
[18:04] <Guest26171> more precise, how good IL-files from linux run on Windows?)
[18:06] <Tadpole_Jackson> What i'm really trying to troubleshoot is that simple machines forum installer script indicates i have no database support, while i actually do.
[18:07] <Guest26171> is anybody knows about gtk# executing?
 "what about gtk# executing in windows"   yes, what about it??
[18:14] <OerHeks> oh
[18:20] <slee> hi, this is driving me crazy, i'm trying to format a simple usb stick, i've tried Disks and gparted, each time i format them, perms are set for root
[18:21] <tgm4883> slee: what are you formatting it as?
[18:21] <black-perl> Hi, I have set up a local domain alias `mothership.local`which resolves to my server IP by using hosts file of dnsmasq
[18:22] <slee> tgm4883, i've tried ext4 and ntfs compatible
[18:22] <black-perl> Dig is resolving it correctly but google-chrome and other browsers are not
[18:22] <slee> i'd like to just format it as ext4
[18:22] <black-perl> can anybody help ?
[18:22] <tgm4883> slee: ok, well I'm not sure about NTFS, but ext4 that sounds correct. You'd need to set permissions on it after formatting
[18:23] <slee> tgm, i've did(chown -R<etc>, but then when i try to copy a file to it, it still tells me read only
[18:24] <tgm4883> slee: you'd have to show us the output of "ls -l <mountpoint>" before we can help at all
[18:29] <zerowaitstate> does anyone know if certbot is available yet via ubuntu repo's?
[18:29] <tgm4883> !info certbot
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> find certbot
[18:30] <zerowaitstate> !info python-certbot
[18:30] <OerHeks> zerowaitstate, it will be, in yakety yak 16.10 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-certbot
[18:30] <zerowaitstate> don't talk back
[18:30] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: use phpenmod?
[18:30] <Jack3k3_> Hey, I'm getting an error compiling some software with make: i386 architecture of input file `/home/mike/Documents/QSOPT/QS/qsopt.a(qsopt.o)' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output
[18:30] <Mordoc_Mystery> black-perl, have you tried nslookup? I know its on the way out, but you could specify what server you are querying with it.
[18:30] <Jack3k3_> Does this indicate that the qsopt.a library is not the correct one for my machine?
[18:31] <MonkeyDust> !info python-certbot yakety
[18:31] <MonkeyDust> i give up
[18:31] <tafb> can anyone help me install ddrescue-gui on ubuntu 16.04?
[18:31] <tgm4883> MonkeyDust: yakkety
[18:31] <nacc> !info python-certbot yakkety
[18:31] <slee> tgm4883, http://storage3.static.itmages.com/i/16/0608/h_1465410683_7789876_722f5990f8.jpeg
[18:31] <zerowaitstate> !info python-certbot yakkety
[18:31] <OerHeks> nacc, proposed .. not in stable yet
[18:31] <zerowaitstate> !info python-certbot yakkety-proposed
[18:31] <Mordoc_Mystery> black-perl, I start it in interactive mode, enter server localhost or whatever and then query away
[18:32] <tgm4883> slee: ok, but we need that for one more level up. The GUID folder
[18:32] <Tadpole_Jackson> nacc, i don't know what that is
[18:33] <slee> tgm4883, ok, i think i see now, folder above: http://storage1.static.itmages.com/i/16/0608/h_1465410806_8894528_20b3ecf1fb.jpeg
[18:34] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: it's a command to enable modules in php (phpdismod is the opposite)
[18:34] <tgm4883> slee: ah wait. Have you tried not copying to lost+found? That is a special folder
[18:34]  * tgm4883 isn't even sure if you can copy into that folder
[18:34] <slee> tgm4883, i made a new folder"test" and tried to copy to there, same result..."read only"
[18:34] <black-perl> @Mordoc_Mystery Thanks for replying. I got it working
[18:35] <slee> tgm4883, even though you can see it's set for my perms(not root) and read/write perms
[18:35] <tgm4883> slee: well the fact that you can make a new folder means that it's not all read only :)
[18:35] <tgm4883> slee: if you make a new folder, what are the permissions on that folder?
[18:36] <black-perl> @Mordoc_Mystery  Actually the problem was the usage of .local domain i.e mothership.local ; these domains are handled by a service called as avahi-network manager
[18:36] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: i don't know what 'simple machines forum installer script' is, but i'm ugessing you are missing hte corresponding database module package
[18:36] <black-perl> @Mordoc_Mystery So there is supposed to be a layer between chrome and dnsmasq  which assigns such domains to avahi rather than dnsmasq :)
[18:37] <slee> tgm4883, created new folder: http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/16/0608/h_1465411030_9698597_d99266446b.jpeg
[18:38] <tgm4883> slee: wth, that should work
[18:38] <slee> tgm4883, i know, this has been driving me crazy for the past hour
[18:38] <tgm4883> slee: did you make that folder on the USB drive, or did you make it somewhere else then copy it in?
[18:39] <tgm4883> slee: can you pastebin the results of the 'mount' command?
[18:39] <slee> tgm4883, on the usb drive
[18:39] <slee> via thunar
[18:40] <slee> tgm4883, i'm not manually mounting it, i plug the usb stick in, thunar sees it
[18:40] <tgm4883> slee: right, but it should still show the mount options
[18:40] <tgm4883> slee: although I don't expect to see anything special there
[18:41] <tgm4883> slee: also, can you chmod 777 that tgm4883 directory then try copying stuff in there?
[18:41] <slee> no, no options, i plug the stick in, it pops up as a drive on the left in thunar
[18:41] <slee> sure
[18:42] <slee> tgm4883,  same results, 'read only'
[18:43] <tgm4883> slee: any weird stuff in dmesg when you plug it in?
[18:43] <slee> tgm4883, nothing, drive just pops up in thunar like it should
[18:44] <slee> tgm4883, i'm gonna go try on a linux mint box, see if it works there
[18:45] <tgm4883> slee: ok
[18:45] <tgm4883> slee: have you also tried copying stuff in there from the command line? Not sure why that would matter but worth a try
[18:49] <Tadpole_Jackson> what php packages other than 7 are available in ubuntu 16?
[18:50] <slee> tgm4883, ok, plugged stick into mint box, file copied over with no prob, came back to this box, now it'll let me copy a file over...weird
[18:51] <OerHeks> Tadpole_Jackson, apt-cache search php*
[18:51] <tgm4883> slee: thats super odd
[18:51] <tgm4883> slee: but i'm glad it works now !?!?
[18:51] <slee> seems to be, thanks for the help
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> !find php | Tadpole_Jackson start with these
[18:51] <CoolGuy_> http://i.imgur.com/X68XjjX.jpg
[18:52] <Tadpole_Jackson> >other than 7
[18:52] <Tadpole_Jackson> those are all php7 packages
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> Tadpole_Jackson  if you want something from outside the repos, you need a ppa or a .deb or so, but that's not supported here
[18:53] <k1l_> _CoolGuy_: this is #ubuntu. for debian you want to join #debian
[18:54] <OerHeks> k1l_, he is spamming for days now
[18:55] <david__> david1811
[18:56] <OerHeks> Tadpole_Jackson, you need to do some silly tricks to downgrade php .. https://by-example.org/ubuntu-16-04-xenial-downgrade-php-7-to-php-5-6/
[18:56] <Tadpole_Jackson> OerHeks, awesome, thanks.
[18:56] <Tadpole_Jackson> yeah php7 apparently doesn't work with this
[18:57] <MonkeyDust> oh, an older version
[18:57] <OerHeks> which breaks support anyway .. why don't you upgrade your scripts? eventually you should.
[18:57] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: php7 is the only supported php in 16.04 :)
[18:57] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: or run php5 in a container/VM running trusty
[18:58] <raamcharan> hello
[18:58] <Tadpole_Jackson> nacc, i'll take unsupported by working over supported but broken any day
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> what's the command again, to see a usb device being plugged in, pulled out in real time
[18:58] <Tadpole_Jackson> OerHeks, i didn't write the software
[18:59] <Tadpole_Jackson> nacc, this 16 install is already a vm
[18:59] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: what doesn't work with php7?
[18:59] <Tadpole_Jackson> Simple Machines Forum and phpBB3
[18:59] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: is the first an ubuntu package?
[19:00] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: what is the issue with the latter, presuming you are running the 'phpbb3' package?
[19:00] <Tadpole_Jackson> i'm not using a package
[19:00] <ioria> !info phpbb3
[19:01] <nemith> Why is there no branches here after wily? https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[19:03] <k1l_> nemith: are you looking for this? https://launchpad.net/network-manager
[19:03] <nacc> Tadpole_Jackson: it's not broken for any arbitrary code to not support php7.
[19:04] <zerowaitstate> if I have a file mode set to 664, and I am a member of the correct group, why can I not delete a file?
[19:04] <nacc> zerowaitstate: permissions on the directory in question?
[19:05] <tgm4883> zerowaitstate: mounted read-only?
[19:05] <nemith> k1l_: that doesn't really help though.
[19:05] <zerowaitstate> nacc: that's got it, thank
[19:05] <tgm4883> zerowaitstate: file is immutable?
[19:05] <zerowaitstate> tgm4883: no, parent dir did not have write bit set for group
[19:06] <zerowaitstate> i knew it was something stupid
[19:06] <nemith> k1l_: I am looking at rebuilding (or backporting) network-manager to xenial, and that should include ubuntu specific patches, etc.  I don't want mainline network-manager code
[19:06] <tgm4883> zerowaitstate: at least it's an easy fix :)
[19:06] <nemith> network-manager seems to be developed differently that other packages?
[19:07] <Nytram> Hi everyone
[19:08] <BluesKaj> we have no problems with NM , it works just fine here both with ethernet conections and wifi and vpn servers with both
[19:08] <nacc> nemith: backporting/rebuilding why?
[19:09] <Nytram> Recently installed Ubuntu 16.04 with Unity and have an issue with changing the default app to open things. When I right click the file and try to change it by clicking "File type options" Nothing happens. The expected options window does not open.
[19:10] <Nytram> Is there another centralised place to change default apps?
[19:11] <squinty> Nytram, right click on file name in file manager -> preferences -> open with
[19:11] <ente_> Hello everyone, I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with two different nvidia gpus and a skylake i7 6700. I want to use kvm/qemu to run a Windows VM with one gpu passthrough. When I try to create a VM using virtual machine manager (or xml files) I receive the following error: "vfio: error, group 1 is not viable, please ensure all devices within the iommu_group are bound to their vfio bus driver" I am not so experienced with linux/ubuntu, however I kno
[19:11] <ente_> w what this error means, but I do not know how to fix it. Maybe someone can give me some advices in particular for ubuntu, because most tutorials/posts I have found are for the arch kernel linux-vfio. Details: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17126955/
[19:11] <nemith> Is there a channel better for packaging questions?
[19:12] <nacc> nemith: #ubuntu-devel, i'd say
[19:12] <nacc> nemith: there might also be #ubuntu-packaging
[19:12] <nacc> !alis | nemith
[19:12] <nemith> thanks
[19:12] <nemith> ubottu: cheers :)
[19:13] <k1l_> nemith: #ubuntu-packaging
[19:13] <Nytram> squinty that's only a temp solution, I'd have to do that every time I want to open a file.
[19:13] <nemith> So yeah alis doesn't work.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> nemith, you won't get much help if you question the written code for mature apps like network manager
[19:14] <ioria> Nytram, Properties -> Open with -> Set Default ?
[19:14] <k1l_> nemith: but that looks like its a debian sync anyway.
[19:15] <nemith> k1l_: oh interesting.
[19:15] <nemith> BluesKaj: "mature"
[19:15] <k1l_> !info network-manager
[19:15] <BluesKaj> yup. tried and true
[19:15] <nemith> Every time i upgrade ubuntu my problems are always around network-manager.
[19:15] <k1l_> nemith: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/network-manager
[19:15] <squinty> Nytram, use the "set as default"  to set a default app for a particular file flavour
[19:16] <Nytram> ioria that's what I'm trying to explain, I can right click a .avi for instance and select properties, but the "File type options" button does nothing when I click it. In Linux Mint it opens another option screen where you can change the default app to open the file.
[19:16] <k1l_> see the right side of the page. there it links the changelog and the maintainers.
[19:16] <nemith> Pretty much nm says my bug is fixed in 1.2.2 and asked me to test. I would like to create my own 1.2.2 package and upload it to my ppa.  The instructions i have found don't work for nm
[19:17] <BluesKaj> nemith, well you can always use thenetwork interfaces file and resolv.config and drop NM altogether
[19:17] <nemith> BluesKaj: It's a laptop, I connect to many networks.  I'd rather not
[19:17] <nemith> I'd like to patch the bug
[19:17] <nemith> just i can't figure out how to properly build the sucker
[19:18] <ioria> Nytram, sorry, i don't get "File type options", not in my menu (unity) , or i'm blind ....
[19:18] <nemith> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1573720  <-- bug in question if anyone cares
[19:19] <Nytram> Ah! I changed the file manager to dolphin.
[19:19] <ioria> oh
[19:19] <Nytram> so I get that option on right click perhaps
[19:19] <nemith> apparently fixed upstream
[19:20] <de-facto> nemith "apt-get source <package>" then "apt-get build-dep <package>" then cd <package-dir> then drop your patch in debian/patches (and note it in debian/patches/series), maybe raise version in changelog then "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc"
[19:21] <de-facto> that is from <package-dir>
[19:21] <winston2k> what is the difference between apt and apt-get ?
[19:23] <OerHeks> apt-get is old, apt is new
[19:23] <OerHeks> both can be used in 16.04
[19:23] <winston2k> ty
[19:25] <_CoolGuy_> http://i.imgur.com/X68XjjX.jpg
[19:25] <_CoolGuy_> :-)
[19:25] <ioria> winston2k, https://www.maketecheasier.com/apt-vs-apt-get-ubuntu/
[19:25] <winston2k> ioria: ty aswell
[19:26] <Nytram> OK! Managed to fix my default file issue. Just reporting back that I now have to right click "open with - other" and check the "remember association" checkbox. Thanks to all who tried to help.
[19:26] <virtuosoj> In window spread in Ubuntu, is there a way I can show a smallish icon of the window's parent application in the bottom right of window?
[19:27] <ioria> Nytram, good
[19:30] <xangua> virtuosoj: you mean expose? You could install compiz settings and try to tweak it
[19:31] <virtuosoj> xangua: is it really the same thing as expose? unity's window spread seems smoother than the expose I used on mate-compiz
[19:32] <kimish> Hi there , my ubuntu crashed and lost access to my files and now am using a live ubuntu , but when i try copying my files to a usb it says i dont have permissionn, what should to have root access over that partition
[19:33] <kimish> I keep getting permission denied
[19:35] <kimish> any Ideas
[19:36] <_vikrant_> kimish, i guess u need to be root to copy files to that pen drive
[19:36] <_vikrant_> u dont have write permission
[19:36] <squinty> kimico_,  use the chroot method -> Update Failure -> points 1 to 7    you should be able to copy your files then
[19:36] <squinty> kimish, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[19:49] <the_tricky> hello
[19:49] <reisio> 'lo
[19:49] <the_tricky> can I hide an app from Alt + Tab menu?
[19:50] <Apteryx> `
[19:51] <reisio> the_tricky: why would you want to
[19:51] <the_tricky> reisio: I need to keep it open, but I access it very rarely
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> the_tricky  with devilspie / gdevilspie ... it's called 'skip tasklist'
[19:51] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/437090/hiding-an-application-from-switcher-alttab
[19:51] <the_tricky> but use Alt + Tab a lot
[19:52] <reisio> the_tricky: what's it?
[19:52] <OerHeks> windows rules is part of compiz-plugins-extra..
[19:52] <the_tricky> reisio: a password manager
[19:53] <the_tricky> OerHeks: that somehow doesn't work for me
[19:54] <OerHeks> you might need to use full path, if that app is not in your %path%
[19:55] <OerHeks> or extend your %path%
[19:55] <the_tricky> excuse me?
[19:55] <the_tricky> where do I have to use that path?
[19:55] <Pici> OerHeks: $PATH, this isn't Windows ;)
[19:57] <the_tricky> anyone?
[19:58] <mangix> anypne know how to build ubuntu packages? i would like to apply a patch to one package.
[19:58] <trOOp> ehi
[19:58] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables this old post should be still valid http://askubuntu.com/a/381961
[19:58] <trOOp> password terminal blackbox?
[20:00] <the_tricky> OerHeks: do I need to do that to use window rules in compiz?
[20:01] <ente_> I would like to run a VM with gpu passthrough on Ubuntu 16.04 with kvm/qemu. Does anyone know a tutorial or up-to-date posts?
[20:01] <OerHeks> the_tricky, if your instance of the app in compiz does not work without full path, yes
[20:02] <OerHeks> the_tricky, i have no other clue why it shouldn't work
[20:03] <Asad2005> I have a nexus 6p phone, when i connect usb type-c cable with my ubuntu running 16.04 it is not detected. The usb cable is ok as i can connect with win7 pc. Do i need a driver for ubuntu?
[20:07] <OerHeks> Asad2005, you would need mtpfs
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> !info mtpfs
[20:10] <nissin1>  hi guys
[20:10] <nissin1> how do i run Python in shell with exact version
[20:10] <nissin1> >> python file.py
[20:11] <nissin1> it automatically lloads up python v2
[20:11] <nissin1> i want v3
[20:11] <nissin1> how can i specifiy
[20:11] <tgm4883> nissin1: python3
[20:11] <nissin1> are you sure
[20:11] <mangix> Asad2005: there's an app that test if a type c to usb cable is good
[20:11] <tgm4883> nissin1: yes
[20:12] <nissin1> tgm4883: how do u clear terminal
[20:12] <nissin1> thanks it works
[20:12] <nissin1> clear
[20:12] <tgm4883> yea
[20:13] <Asad2005> mangix: problem solved thanks
[20:13] <Guest27696> Hey folks, I'm trying to sync my ipod nano gen 5. Amarok is telling me I need to generate a hashinfo file. Anyone have any ideas?
[20:14] <cihhan> hi all, i m using a VM with Ubuntu 16 (on cloud). And I need one additional partition. However, there is one partition I can use which is the root and it is using lvm. Is there a way to shrink it while it is still running? Since it is / , I cant unmount it.
[20:15] <mangix> Guest27696: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IPod#Generating_HashInfo_file
[20:17] <oeslin> hola, estoy probando esta aplicación
[20:18] <MonkeyDust> !es
[20:23] <Guest27696> mangix: thanks
[20:25] <chaotix> hey.  I am having trouble getting Comodo Antivirus to start up, my os is Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit.  The package itself was for 12.04, and so there was a dependency problem preventing me from installing the 64 bit, so I installed the 32 bit.  It installed, but it will not run.  When I try to launch it from the terminal, it says: "error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directo
[20:26] <Ben64> chaotix: don't run things for other versions
[20:27] <Ben64> chaotix: and you don't really need antivirus
[20:27] <chaotix> Ben64: i didnt realize that was a problem running something for another version..  i know i dont need it, i just wanted to check it out
[20:27] <Al3xG0> ./genymotion: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by /home/usuario/Downloads/genymotion/libQt5Core.so.5)
[20:28] <chaotix> and then i got curious why it says "error while loading shared libraries: libpam.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", because i found libpam.so.0
[20:28] <OerHeks> chaotix, Comodo Antivirus is discontinued
[20:29] <bprompt> chaotix:    depending on the package and dependencies, you "can" run apps from other versions, but often times the older dependencies they may require, may not be available on the newer OS version, or may just not be installable even if you had it, due to a newer version or replacement lib
[20:30] <chaotix> ok, so it was probably because is a newer version of the libpam..
[20:30] <chaotix> thanks
[20:30] <chaotix> i just like testing out different software in my spare time, it's like therapy for me
[20:30] <chaotix> lol
[20:30] <Ben64> well try out software made for 16.04
[20:30] <Ben64> the ubuntu software center is a good place to look
[20:36] <chaotix> Ben64: i do like the sofware center, and also OMG Ubuntu is nice...  and Alternativeto.net is nice for finding software I might not otherwise find..  such as menulibre or nylas n1, or Tomahawk...  all great options..  however, then we sometimes get compatibility snaffoos that wouldnt happen in the software center, so it is definitly the safer bet
[20:36] <chaotix> anyways thanks guys tty later
[20:38] <goddard> anyone tried the updated drivers with the cuda libs? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=xenial
[20:52] <ente_> I would like to run a VM with gpu passthrough on Ubuntu 16.04 with kvm/qemu. Does anyone know up-to-date tutorials or posts?
[21:05] <daniele__> Hi I've installed nvidia 361 driver but when I reboot I have only a black screen whitouth mouse coursor
[21:06] <Al3xG0> ./genymotion: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by /home/usuario/Downloads/genymotion/libQt5Core.so.5)
[21:06] <Al3xG0> how to solve is problem?
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> Al3xG0  start from the beginning, what are you trying to achieve, where/when does this error pop up
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> Al3xG0  and in which ubuntu version
[21:12] <OerHeks> Al3xG0, it wants  gcc-4.9 (CXXABI_1.3.8)  install the required gcc http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20357033/how-to-fix-program-name-usr-lib-x86-64-linux-gnu-libstdc-so-6-version-cxx
[21:17] <pnwise> Can someone help me with WoL problem?
[21:17] <pnwise> I can't make it persistent
[21:18] <pnwise> If I set it manually with "sudo ethtool -s enp3s0 wol g" it runs fine, just for the next boot
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> hi, anyone here used autopsy?
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> I'm trying to use it to recover files, but it can't seem to be able to open any directories
[21:18] <Laurenceb__> its very odd as the filesystem mounts ok on my system
[21:19] <teward> pnwise: not sure if that is able to really be persistent, but you could put that command into /etc/rc.local maybe, without the 'sudo', and it may be able to make things persistent (because it runs every boot)
[21:19] <pnwise> But if I make systemd service it doesn't work, while ethtool still reporting that wol is on g mode(magic packet), but it doesn't work
[21:20] <pnwise> teward, I will try that too, but I doubt it will make a difference
[21:20] <teward> pnwise: I didn't say to use systemd.  If it refuses to be persistent, then perhaps check something deeper than the OS level - BIOS or Firmware - where WoL can be enabled
[21:20] <pnwise> But it is working if I type the command
[21:20] <pnwise> just not if it is scripted
[21:21] <OerHeks> pnwise, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan make sure you use the right ethernet adapter name
[21:21] <superguest> How do I enable or disable the display of the grub menu?  In the initial version of grub.cfg (i.e. PRIOR to the first 'update-grub') the system does not show/display the grub boot menu
[21:22] <pnwise> OerHeks, I am sure, when it is in systemd service ethtools is reporting it is enabled, but it doesn't work, if I disable the systemd service and type the command in terminal, it is working
[21:23] <Bashing-om> danilonc: How did you install the driver ? Did you purge the old 1st ?
[21:23] <pnwise> let's see if rc.local make any difference, and will be back
[21:24] <m3n3chm0> hello how to fsck a NTFS partition ¿? fsck /dev/sda7
[21:24] <m3n3chm0> fsck de util-linux 2.27.1
[21:24] <OerHeks> pnwise, did you perform chmod a+x on the conf? a = all users
[21:27] <Bashing-om> superguest: If only a single instance of 'buntu is installed. not showing the grub menu is the expected behavior. Depending on the firmware (bios or EFI) ot is the shift key or the escape key to gain grub's attention to display the menu . One may edit /etc/default/grub to always show the menu .
[21:28] <Bashing-om> danieli:  How did you install the driver ? Did you purge the old 1st ?
[21:29] <pnwise> OerHeks, teward Thanks! It seems to be working fine in rc.local, have no idea why it doesn't work with systemd. Have to go ask poetering
[21:30] <teward> pnwise: usually things like one-liners like that, I drop in /etc/rc.local.  Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but systemd has quirks ;)
[21:30] <teward> /etc/rc.local runs last I believe
[21:30] <OerHeks> :-)
[21:31] <OerHeks> pnwise, i just see you missed this: did you perform chmod a+x on the conf? a = all users
[21:31] <pnwise> It might be something to do with the runlevels, but I am not so knowledgeable.
[21:31] <pnwise> OerHeks, yes, I made it proper service, enable it, everything.
[21:32] <pnwise> Thanks again, I am going to lay some tf2 now :D
[21:33] <posi> So can people give me a list of things and how to disable OOM, core dumps and all of that junk on my postgresql server
[21:35] <OerHeks> posi,  how about configure postresql properly ? putting a finger in a dyke does not prevent flooding
[21:35] <posi> I have core dumped postgresql recently
[21:35] <posi> it isn't perfect
[21:36] <posi> and it took out hte box trying to write core
[21:36] <posi> OerHeks: So, i think we have, i just need to not drop a 1TB core
[21:36] <posi> OerHeks: Or am i doing it wrong
[21:37] <voidvector0_> anybody using gnome on ubuntu?
[21:38] <xangua> ! Ask | voidvector0_
[21:40] <voidvector0> how can there not be a way to set transparency on the rest of gnome windows, but terminal works fine?
[21:43] <Jordan_U> voidvector0: Because choices need to be made about what features are generally useful, and gnome-terminal explicitly enables alpha transparency (which is not the same as just making the whole window contents partially transparent).
[21:47] <gleeco> big Q:  turning off coredumps in ubuntu involves several steps it seems.  just wondering if i'm  hitting all:  a.) /etc/default/apport is set 'enabled=0' b.) /etc/security/limits.conf with a setting '* hard core 0'   and c.) /etc/sysctl.conf with setting 'fs.suid_dumpable=0'
[21:58] <dreamaddict> I've installed libshout3-dev, for the extras (including source headers/files)...but I can't seem to find where Ubuntu has put the source files.  Unless they don't come in the -dev version of the package...
[22:01] <nacc> dreamaddict: `apt-file list` or `dpkg -L` will list files from a pacakge (the latter only for installed packages)
[22:01] <nacc> dreamaddict: are you looking for libshout's source?
[22:01] <dreamaddict> yes, the .c/.h files
[22:01] <dreamaddict> for use with a Lisp groveller
[22:02] <dreamaddict> I mean, not because I have to actually compile them, but because I need that kind of info for my code in another language...which might mean that I only need the .h files
[22:02] <dreamaddict> I still don't know where Linux "normally" puts this kind of thing because I haven't been using it for umpteen years :P
[22:03] <dreamaddict> although I must say, as a way to dip one's toe into the vast ocean of Linux, Ubuntu is by far the best distro I've seen
[22:04] <dreamaddict> there's a shout.h in /usr/include...maybe I am assuming wrong that they will be named libshout3?
[22:05] <noname> hi
[22:07] <nacc> dreamaddict: the files used to build a pacakge are obtained from the source package
[22:07] <nacc> dreamaddict: `apt-get source pkgname`
[22:07] <dreamaddict> ahhh there it is
[22:07] <dreamaddict> that's the command I didn't know (source)
[22:07] <nacc> dreamaddict: i don't know what a Lisp groveller is, so i'm not sure if that's what you're looking for :)
[22:07] <nacc> ok
[22:08] <dreamaddict> a Lisp groveller goes through C headers/.so files to automatically create foreign function bindings...so that I can code in C without having to code in C :P
[22:08] <nacc> dreamaddict: ah ok, bindings stuff
[22:10] <nacc> dreamaddict: so the rough layout is, for lib* packages: lib* is the runtime library needed to run applications that depend on it. lib*-dev are the development headers needed to compile against that library. `apt-get source lib*` will get you the source for building that package.
[22:10] <dreamaddict> fantastic
[22:10] <dreamaddict> thank you sir!
[22:13] <nacc> dreamaddict: yw
[22:22] <navarro_> net
[22:30] <Monthu> help. Open source drivers not showing in 16.04? screenshot: http://imgur.com/HjSkKPF
[22:31] <OerHeks> Monthu, for what GPU ?
[22:32] <OerHeks> intel does not show indeed
[22:32] <Monthu> I have AmD
[22:32] <Monthu> integrated graphic
[22:32] <OerHeks> oh, alternative driver .. from a PPA?
[22:33] <Monthu> usually it shows the open source driver (xorg) next to the proprietary one
[22:33] <Ben64> 16.04 doesn't have proprietary amd driver anymore i believe
[22:33] <OerHeks> in your case, 'do not use the device' should roll back to the radeon driver i guess.
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Monthu: Release 16.04 then the only display driver now available is in the kernel .
[22:34] <Monthu> "Do not use" roll back to default open-source driver then?
[22:35] <Ben64> thats for your cpu, don't do that
[22:36] <Monthu> what should I do. I just need the open-source driver
[22:37] <OerHeks> oh amd cpu, not gpu ..
[22:37] <OerHeks> my bad
[22:37] <Monthu> yes
[22:38] <Ben64> Monthu: you already have the open source driver
[22:38] <Monthu> how to enable it?
[22:38] <Ben64> it's already enabled?
[22:38] <Ben64> can you explain what you're trying to accomplish
[22:39] <OerHeks> run lshw -c video, and look for the line with  driver=
[22:40] <OerHeks> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[22:41] <OerHeks>  /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test --print
[22:41] <Monthu> in prior versions of ubuntu, i had the option to select the xorg driver. I don't have that option anymore
[22:42] <Ben64> right, as stated twice already, 16.04 doesn't have proprietary drivers anymore for amd
[22:42] <Monthu> when u look at the image, it says "2 proprietary drivers in use"
[22:42] <OerHeks> 'xorg' driver would be the radeon driver
[22:42] <Ben64> and when you look closer at the image, it shows that one is for your wireless, and one is for your cpu
[22:43] <Monthu> I know. I'm talking about the cpu
[22:44] <Monthu> usually I get something like this http://www.aplikasipc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Update-Software-Ubuntu.jpg
[22:44] <Ben64> right, as stated thrice already, 16.04 doesn't have proprietary drivers anymore for amd
[22:44] <OerHeks> no fglx ..
[22:45] <Ben64> there isn't anything after "thrice" please don't make me repeat it anymore
[22:45] <Monthu> :) ok
[22:45] <Monthu> sorry
[22:45] <Monthu> thanks for the help
[22:46] <OerHeks> updated wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Monthu: 16.04 release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes ; " When upgrading to Ubuntu 16.04 from a previous release, both the fglrx driver and the xorg.conf will be removed, so that the system is set to use either the amdgpu driver or the radeon driver (depending on the available hardware)."
[22:46] <rcw2> hi ive been running xenial for a couple months without major issues but starting a few days ago especially chrome, firefox and thunderbird have been crashing over and over again.  im updated and upgraded.  any suggestions?  is there some major problem of note in recent pushes?
[22:46] <popey> rcw2: what graphics card?
[22:47] <popey> rcw2: I am on xenail and haven't seen crashes
[22:47] <Monthu> thanks Bashing-om
[22:47] <Monthu> I get it now
[22:48] <thyri> I'm back!
[22:49] <Bashing-om> Monthu: AND is working hard to give us what we asked for . A fully functional open source driver in the kernel.
[22:52] <rcw2> popey, yeah its bad, ive even had to use Windows! to complete some tasks... ughh! Using this, which is very mainstream: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
[22:52] <william_> VGA?
[22:52] <william_> hmm
[23:02] <thyri> So Ubuntu is still really new to me...  I managed to install Pidgin IM using the Ubuntu Software Center, but now I don't know how to open it so I can use it.  Help! Please...
[23:03] <OerHeks> alt f2 : pidgin
[23:04] <OerHeks> or scroll through the menus, it is an internet application [hint]
[23:04] <bigdissaved> Hey
[23:05] <thyri> Um, OerHeks, can you be a little more specific with what you mean by scroll through the menus?
[23:06] <bazhang> thyri, have you had a read of the pidgin user guide, #pidgin channel can assist
[23:07] <OerHeks> depends on what ubuntu version, for plain ubuntu hit the top left icon and search trhough the menus
[23:08] <OerHeks> or alt f2 ..
[23:08] <thyri> Yeah found it with alt f2.
[23:08] <thyri> also found it with the top left button.
[23:09] <thyri> Ok so what is that top left button called?  It seems to be the equivalent of the Windows Start menu.
[23:09] <thyri> And as I was searching Google yesterday I saw "Nautilus" mentioned but it didn't specify what it was.
[23:09] <thyri> I need Ubuntu for Dummies lol
[23:09] <thyri> I have v 14.04
[23:10] <xangua> ! Manual | thyri
[23:10] <bazhang> !manual | thyri
[23:10] <thyri> !manual
[23:10] <thyri> erm
[23:10] <thyri> is that a terminal entry?
[23:10] <bazhang> !rute | thyri
[23:10] <thyri> ah there it is
[23:10] <thyri> ok...
[23:10] <bazhang> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ <----- thyri
[23:10] <thyri> looks like I have a lot of reading to do lol
[23:11] <OerHeks> ubuntu for dummies is an insult, grinn
[23:14] <rcw2_> lately my browsers and thunderbird app have been crashing quite often... so often that ive needed to use another machine for some things for the interim.  i have this graphics card... what advise can anyone offer?  just assume its a bug in one of the latest pushes and wait until they identify and fix it?  using xenial.  all upgraded. this graphics card: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b)
[23:15] <codfection> welcome to ubuntu world. ^ rcw2_
[23:15] <rcw2_> codfection, ive been using ubuntu for like 4 years and this is the first time things have crashed liked this... and for days on end
[23:17] <codfection> where do you live? rcw2_
[23:17] <rcw2_> codfection, californ i a
[23:17] <rcw2_> you?
[23:17] <codfection> Cool.
[23:17] <codfection> I have seen many peeps
[23:17] <codfection> using OS X
[23:17] <codfection> in california
[23:17] <codfection> hehe
[23:17] <codfection> I am not from US
[23:17] <codfection> actually.
[23:18] <OerHeks> thats helpfull, codfection
[23:18] <codfection> ^ Could you offer some help? OerHeks
[23:18] <rcw2_> codfection, yeah, a lot of apples around here for sure
[23:18] <bazhang> !ot | codfection
[23:19] <codfection> actually its not out of topic. he is asking why is ubuntu crashing and I am giving him options to solve
[23:19] <OerHeks> hard to say why browsers crash, on what pages, tried to fix by deleted profile, and such
[23:19] <bazhang> codfection, take the chat elsewhere
[23:19] <codfection> chill ^
[23:20] <codfection> I also keep getting sudden crash reports in 16.04 Xenial
[23:21] <k1l_> start the browser in a terminal and keep that terminal opened. than see what errors are written there when the crash of the browser happens
[23:22] <codfection> k1l_, my firefox lags
[23:22] <codfection> on ubuntu
[23:22] <codfection> do I need to re install it?
[23:23] <codfection> chrome is smooth. maybe coz firefox was built in with the installation of ubuntu
[23:23] <k1l_> codfection: you can try to start with a clean profile and see if that helps.
[23:24] <codfection> actually I didnt log into any profile.
[23:26] <k1l_> codfection: talking about browser profiles. your browser creates one on first start.
[23:26] <apb1963> ubuntu 14.04 I can't get pidgin to recognize my sound card.
[23:27] <chaotix> hey.  in Ubuntu Mate 16.04, what is the setting where the window you are dragging becomes transparent called?  i want to enable this in compiz but i dont know what it is called
[23:30] <chaotix> nvm found it
[23:30] <chaotix> :)
[23:30] <chaotix> bye
[23:37] <LordDragon> hey all. is there an easy way to find out how many users are logging in to my ubuntu server via ssh ?
[23:38] <Bashing-om> LordDragon: 'who' ?
[23:38] <LtL> LordDragon: ssh in and type 'who'
[23:38] <LordDragon> ah ok
[23:39] <LordDragon> perfect. thanks
[23:48] <apb1963> anybody know of an instant messenger client that works?  voice/video included?  works with yahoo?
[23:49] <apb1963> ubuntu 14.04
[23:53] <thyri> apb1963 Pidgin works with YIM and a bunch of others but I don't know if voice/vid works.  find it at the ubuntu apps site.
[23:54] <nomoney4me> hi all, I am trying to connect to an MSSQL database.  It seems that I can connect to 1 already.  but this 2nd one doesn't work, keep getting timed out, is it a driver issue?
[23:55] <rcw2_> nomoney4me, amazon?
[23:55] <nomoney4me> rcw2_, not amazon, my own server that I am hosting on my network.
[23:57] <nomoney4me> I am using this driver: libmsodbcsql-11.0.so.2270.0   it connects to oracle v11 just fine, but it's having connecting to oracle v10
[23:57] <nomoney4me> having problem*
[23:57] <apb1963> thyri:  Pidgin doesn't do voice/video yet... possibly with xmpp but YM is what I need today.
[23:58] <nomoney4me> has there been reports of this?
[23:58] <apb1963> I have it installed, I've used it for months.. but no voice/vid
[23:58] <Edisto> where do you disable the alt + clicking that moves windows in the ccms?


[00:00] <mcphail> He isn't dogfooding the phone or Unity8. Attention diverted to juju
[00:00] <sebsebseb> bregma: ogra_ so not on Linux Today where there's also two comments, but on the actsual linked to article,  I liked the comment from someonen wehre they basically say that embracing Ubuntu'[[s convergence I thinik they meant xmir really etc too when saying that,  is a way to keep  desktop Linux alive basically in the new mobile world: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/how-long-will-desktop-linux-last-160513073812.html
[00:00] <bregma> desktop, maybe not, because the desktop as a concept is going to go the way of the Hi-Fi stereo
[00:00] <bregma> full convergence, one systemn on all devices, that's definitely a thing he's excited about
[00:01] <mcphail> bregma: maybe, maybe not. But he isn't excited enough about convergence to be dogfooding a Unity8 device. That made me sad
[00:01] <sebsebseb> what you mean dog fooding?
[00:01] <sebsebseb> giving it loads of attention ? money etc?
[00:02] <ogra_> i saw him dogfood the tablet the last week
[00:02] <mcphail> sebsebseb: using your own code on a day-to-day basis
[00:02] <ogra_> so thats definitely not true :)
[00:02] <bregma> well, truth be told, even I do not dogfood, because the things I really use every day are not ready yet -- multiple workspaces on multiple monitors
[00:02] <sebsebseb> yeah he said he used alternaives still too
[00:02] <ogra_> sure
[00:02] <bregma> I use a Ubuntu phone as my day-to-day phone, it's good
[00:02] <bregma> but not Unity 8 desktop
[00:02]  * sebsebseb has used Ubuntu phone as my phone for months now no problem,but I am also not really running or wanting to run lots of apps really, so that's fine
[00:03] <bregma> I do, however, have a finger on when what I need will be ready
[00:03]  * sebsebseb should in a way do more with that jolla phone to though, and has't since som sighty silly reasons
[00:03] <ogra_> i actually try to get along with the tablet s laptop replacement ... works for most of my usecaases already
[00:03] <sebsebseb> ogra_: yep I have treid that to
[00:03] <sebsebseb> tablet instead of lap top
[00:03] <sebsebseb> for  text things
[00:04] <sebsebseb> however it seems to  not keep up with my typing speed that well,   hmm
[00:04] <sebsebseb> the Ubuntu M10 HD
[00:04] <bregma> also, I have only one table and I need to test potentially breaking releases on it, not good for day-to-day dogfooding
[00:04] <sebsebseb> table tablet I guss you meant
[00:05] <bregma> yes, tablet
[00:05] <ogra_> in any case unity8 will take over the dektop at some point
[00:05] <mcphail> Anyway, night all
[00:05] <ogra_> (and snappy the bottom layer)
[00:05] <sebsebseb> things will start going there with 16.10
[00:05] <sebsebseb> that way
[00:05] <bregma> yep
[00:06] <sebsebseb> by next LTS it's probaably been default in UBuntu already for a release or two as well
[00:06] <ogra_> and eventually you will have snappy unity8 working on all devics you can imagine
[00:06] <bregma> hopefully
[00:06] <ogra_> including TV
[00:06] <ogra_> (as that is just another spinoff)
[00:06] <sebsebseb> bregma: hoepfuly to what I put?
[00:06] <sebsebseb> ogra_: TV is put on hold for now though
[00:07] <JanC> one reason why people use X directly in their apps is that Gtk & Qt don't provide solutions for everything they need...  ;)
[00:07] <bregma> JanC, sometimes, yes
[00:07] <ogra_> sebsebseb, yes, till convergence is fully there
[00:07] <ogra_> and snapppy
[00:08] <bregma> JanC sometimes it's unjustified -- one game just used it to get the screen size, which it already had directly from SDL
[00:08] <sebsebseb> ogra_: yeah  something like that
[00:08] <sebsebseb> ogra_: and  when phone and tablet has  made Canonical enough profit already maybe as well, as a side point :d he h
[00:08] <ogra_> phone and tablet dont make profit
[00:08]  * sebsebseb wonders how much they really get from the current BQ and Meizu sales of any of the Ubuntu devices
[00:08] <ogra_> and i doubt anyone from us expects it to
[00:09] <sebsebseb> ogra_: us ?
[00:09] <ogra_> canonical
[00:09] <JanC> maybe there is/was a reason not to use SDL for that...
[00:09] <sebsebseb> ogra_: I guess it makes BQ and Meizu profit though :d
[00:09] <ogra_> probablly not meizu
[00:09] <sebsebseb> not Mezu ???
[00:09] <ogra_> definitely bq
[00:09] <sebsebseb> why not Meiz u?
[00:10] <ogra_> well, given the amount of phones meizu puts out each round ...
[00:10] <sebsebseb> hmm maybe
[00:10] <ogra_> i doubt it makes them any measurable profit compared to the grand total
[00:10] <sebsebseb> bregma: a bigger Ubuntu pressence at FODEM next year meaning?
[00:11] <sebsebseb> JanC: oh yeah you been to FOSDEM to haven't you?
[00:11] <JanC> of course
[00:11] <sebsebseb> JanC: yeah I thiik I chatted to y9ou  in the channel for that a a few times
[00:11] <bregma> sebsebseb, maybe a table with swag
[00:11] <ogra_> whereas bq just got a price for their millionst phone sold when canonical joined them
[00:11] <ogra_> 10000 ubuntu phones are quite a margin for a player like bq .....
[00:12] <ogra_> while they arent for someone like meizu
[00:12]  * sebsebseb thinks certain people in my family will be a little hmm about me wanting to go to Brussels next  year, after that attack this year
[00:12] <ogra_> go by car
[00:12] <sebsebseb> ogra_: can't didn't sort out driing years ago etc
[00:12] <sebsebseb> ogra_: the best way from wehre I am the quickest  but more expensive is to yep fly
[00:12] <sebsebseb> as well
[00:13] <bregma> drive in Brussels?  Are you CRAZY?
[00:13] <sebsebseb> no not going to London anad what not first on a train or whatever, and then go that way
[00:13] <ogra_> lol
[00:13] <JanC> I go to FOSDEM by car, no problem to drive there
[00:13] <ogra_> mericans ....
[00:13] <sebsebseb> I guess that air port should be even more secure though or you would think so
[00:13] <sebsebseb> after what happended
[00:13] <ogra_> :)
[00:14] <swalladge> how do you enable the 'side stage' split screen feature?
[00:14] <swalladge> i haven't been able to find it anywhere
[00:14] <JanC> at least, no problem during FOSDEM
[00:14] <sebsebseb> bregma: JanC your not scared of going to Brussels after that  news from the other month?
[00:14] <ogra_> swalladge, drag an app with three finger to the right side
[00:14] <JanC> you don't want to go there by car during peak hours on a work day  :P
[00:15] <bregma> sebsebseb, you've more likely to be run over by a Brussels motorist on the way to FOSDEM than be harmed in a terrorist attack
[00:16] <sebsebseb> bregma: that's something I noticed to in Brussles got a crossing with lights etc,  but actsaully a lot of drivers don't seem to care much if it's green or red
[00:16] <sebsebseb> a particular crosisng comes to mind near the hotel
[00:17] <sebsebseb> bregma: where as in UK as you wouold know as well I guess, genearlly  red means stop for car,s etc, and green on the thing means go for pedestriatins if a walking one,  unless an amubulance or something uh...
[00:17] <swalladge> ogra_: thanks :)
[00:17]  * sebsebseb nearly got hit by an amublance once or maybe at a crossing since...
[00:17] <sebsebseb> last year
[00:17] <bregma> my daughter went to ULB, she taught me how to cross streets there:  just go and don't hesitate or they'll run you down
[00:17] <JanC> compared to Turkey or Italy most people in Brussels actually stop at traffic lights
[00:17] <sebsebseb> bregma: oh you got a duaghter, and that actsaully stuided at uLB?
[00:17] <bregma> I find London and New York are the same
[00:18] <swalladge> ooh i like side stage
[00:18] <JanC> sebsebseb: ambulances with sirens & blue flashing lights have priority of course
[00:18] <ogra_> swalladge, it still has some issues, but yeah, it is getting there
[00:18] <sebsebseb> bregma: JanC are we vampires, it's night :D h e h,  even worse for JanC an hour a head
[00:19] <sebsebseb> JanC: yeah I was rushing to a bus stop  did the traffic lights as normal, but then this vechicle with blue  ights came along , didn't think much of it, started going across...
[00:19] <bregma> I have a meeting with some Australians in an hour or so, I'm just killing time
[00:19] <sebsebseb> bregma: oh a meeting where?
[00:20] <bregma> online
[00:20] <sebsebseb> bregma: oh IRC?
[00:20] <JanC> sebsebseb: I'm pretty sure ambulances with sound/light signals have priority in other countries too?
[00:21] <sebsebseb> JanC: it moved to the other side, beepd horn at me, and I reolised what had happended pretty much straight after that, it was  like 10 30,  no siren
[00:21] <sebsebseb> 10 30 pm
[00:21] <sebsebseb> dark  rainy
[00:21] <sebsebseb> november or osmething
[00:21] <JanC> oh
[00:21] <sebsebseb> JanC: where I live near the city don't tend to get amublances around here, but that was in the city, and well yeah there's a hospital near where I was crossing as well so
[00:21] <bregma> some parts of towns have laws preventing emergency vehicles from using their sirens
[00:21] <JanC> without a siren they *don't* have priority though
[00:22] <sebsebseb> JanC: in England  as  well?
[00:22] <sebsebseb> bregma: I was thinking maybe at a time of night they  shoudn't use there siren, maybe 10 30 pm is to late for the siren ?
[00:22] <JanC> bregma: I assume they still have to use the siren before crossing a red light?
[00:22] <bregma> here all they need is the flashing lights for priority
[00:22] <sebsebseb> well first time I had such a issue and hpefully last
[00:23] <sebsebseb> but well there we go just ssince it says green on the pedestrain lighted up sign,  may not actsaully mean it's all safe etc to go
[00:23] <sebsebseb> across the road
[00:23] <bregma> JanC, dunno, but I've always seen them at least beep their horns going through a red light
[00:23] <JanC> yeah, well, a sound signal at least
[00:24] <sebsebseb> bregma: ok that amublance I don't think beeped first,
[00:24] <sebsebseb> only after I stared corssing
[00:24] <sebsebseb> hold on be right back or back soon I guess...
[00:24] <sebsebseb> need to do something or it will be so late....
[00:25] <sebsebseb> and JanC is  a vampire it seems!
[06:54] <daniman> Hey guys, I have been using  ubuntu-touch for a month and i liked it because it has a linux flavor and having a functional linux Os in my pocket, But using it for daily purpose or there are some apps i really want to be ported. so my intention is dual-booting ubuntu-touch and andriod? is it possible?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> daniman: yes, but youl need a rom manager or something
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> daniman: its something you need to install to dualboot
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> daniman: so you can choose with Os to select at startup
[06:58] <daniman> lotuspsychje: Ok, what i can find in the wiki assumes that i have andriod installed
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> daniman: try to search the google app store for software dualboot
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> daniman: search for boot manager or rom manager
[06:59] <daniman> lotuspsychje: I got a bashscript which can handle this stuff
[06:59] <daniman> http://humpolec.ubuntu.com/latest/dualboot.sh
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> well i didnt play with myself, just know its possible
[07:01] <daniman> Nice to hear, any custom andriod rom which has a home button and back . .  like Nexus phones
[08:38] <daniman> any compatible andriod rom for dual-booting with touch?
[08:38] <daniman> links would be perfect
[10:43] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, hey, failure on tzPage test in silo 8, known?
[10:47] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: there's N faiulres in the wizard known
[10:47] <tsdgeos> i guess yes
[10:47] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, oki
[13:03] <mterry> tedg, registry.cpp in UAL needs a stub implementation for setManager
[13:08] <mterry> tedg, also when you're around, I want to chat about the Manager interactions in general
[13:13] <tedg> mterry: Sure
[13:13] <tedg> mterry: Hmm, I thought there was a stub... let me look.
[13:15] <mterry> tedg, there is an implementation in registry-impl.cpp, but nothing that points to it in registry.cpp
[13:16] <tedg> Heh, oops :-)
[13:16] <mterry> tedg, so for the Manager...  hooking it up to the existing qtmir code, I don't think we ever fail a focusRequest.  Was that just future-proofing or is there an existing flow that you expect we might return false for that?
[13:16] <mterry> (I guess if we don't have the app, we won't do anything...  but not a likely flow)
[13:17] <tedg> mterry: I was figuring there were "bring to front" cases with modal dialogs or some such that we'd want to fail.
[13:17] <tedg> mterry: Those are both the cases where we waited on Unity. So that's why I put them there.
[13:17] <mterry> tedg, ok cool
[13:18] <mterry> tedg, ah, but that's my next point -- waiting on Unity
[13:18] <tedg> mterry: You don't *have* to fail things just because you can. That's the first thing you have to learn when teaching :-)
[13:18] <mterry> tedg, could take a long time.  And these interaction points expect their answer by the end of the function.  So we'd have to spin off a thread for the manager.  Could we operate on asynchronous pairing of methods or signals?
[13:19] <tedg> mterry: I guess I don't understand why they'd take so long?
[13:20] <mterry> tedg, consider the case of start approval that I'm trying to implement -- launching a legacy app in phone mode.  The design says to throw up a dialog saying "please plug your phone to launch this app" with a cancel button.  Design hasn't *demanded* this yet, but I think it makes sense that if the user plugs in the phone while that dialog is up, we continue launching the app.  Which means u8 wouldn't be able to respond yes or no until the dialog
[13:20] <mterry>  is cancelled or the phone is plugged
[13:21] <tedg> mterry: Or you could cancell behind the scenes and if they later plugin just launch the app?
[13:21] <tedg> cancel
[13:21] <mterry> tedg, but we lose arguments
[13:21] <mterry> tedg, I guess we could save arguments...
[13:21] <tedg> mterry: Oh, the URL?
[13:22] <mterry> tedg, yeah
[13:22] <mterry> tedg, but do we have the arguments at that point?
[13:22] <tedg> mterry: We don't, but we could.
[13:22] <mterry> if some rando app initiated the launch?
[13:23] <mterry> tedg, so I guess the question is who should be saving state during this interaction
[13:23] <mterry> tedg, and or future interactions of a similar sort
[13:24] <mterry> tedg, but the API of must-return-in-this-function is limiting in that regard is what I mean.
[13:24] <mterry> even if we decide u8 should immediately fail and save state in this case, we might have similar issues in future
[13:24] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, I guess if everyone switched to an async launch. Because otherwise you're blocking the otherside too.
[13:25] <tedg> mterry: The person holding the state is the person who launched it. Which is a little odd because we're saying they have to stay alive long enough to see it through.
[13:25] <tedg> mterry: So, for instance, if url-dispatcher was to exit, we'd need a way to tell U8 to close the dialog.
[13:25] <mterry> tedg, well anyone foolish enough to use sync API knows what they signed up for  :)
[13:28] <tedg> mterry: I'm kinda leaning towards the person with the UI element should save the state.
[13:28] <tedg> mterry: But we probably need another status in that U8 can say "DELAYED" instead of fail.
[13:29] <mterry> tedg, and we'd also need a way to pass state along so that the person with the UI element *can* save state
[13:30] <mterry> Maybe qtmir has that already?
[13:30]  * mterry looks
[13:31] <mterry> tedg, I guess we could have the information we need if Instance exposed it's urls?
[13:31] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, I think it'd have to be part of the callback.
[13:32] <mterry> tedg, I'm still a little uncomfortable with the thinking that Manager calls *must* immediately return.  But I don't have an example besides this one where we want to
[13:32] <tedg> mterry: It'll be on the UAL thread, so it doesn't have to be *immediate*, but it seems like every ms is gonna delay app startup.
[13:33] <mterry> tedg, but in this case for example, that's intentional
[13:33] <mterry> tedg, on the app-launch side.  But on the qtmir side, we may want to delay without spinning a thread for Manager
[13:35] <mterry> Like you were hinting at, it feels wrong to tell the launcher that it FAILED.  So we need a new DELAYED state, I guess.  But what does the launcher do with that information?  Seems nicer to tell launcher what really happens, when it really happens
[13:35] <tedg> mterry: I see what you're saying, I'm just worried we're gonna end up overcomplicating it for smaller use case. Where stoping for now and spinning things down might make more sense as we don't know how long it'll be.
[13:36] <tedg> mterry: So I guess my thought is, let me stew on it a little bit and see if I can come up with a clean idea and throw it to you.
[13:36] <mterry> tedg, yeah sure.  And I don't *really* care how it's implemented, as long as I can do implement this one use case.  Whatever you like best
[14:01] <mterry> tedg, I thought of another theoretical case -- maybe like a parental control mechanism?  And u8 would prompt for an admin password to allow launching the app?  I dunno.  Pretty similar semantics to the "please dock your phone" case
[14:05] <mike00> hi all, can someone say me where I can find the favourite contact image, please?
[14:07] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, I thinking perhaps some sort of continuation effectively. And perhaps we time it out internally. So it becomes a relaunch if it takes too long.
[14:07] <dobey> mike00: i would guess either in the contacts app itself, or part of suru-icon-theme
[14:07] <tedg> mterry: Keeps the qtmir code simpler, but allows for handling those cases.
[14:08] <mterry> tedg, what's a reasonable timeout for someone digging around their house trying to find their hdmi cable for the phone?  :)
[14:08] <mike00> dobey: sorry I don't understand...
[14:09] <mike00> I searched on my pc in /usr/share/icons/suru but I didn't find anything...
[14:10] <tedg> mterry: 10 seconds! They should be more organized! ;-)
[14:10] <dobey> mike00: then look in the source for the contacts app
[14:10] <mterry> tedg, :P
[14:10] <mike00> dobey: on launchpad?
[14:10] <mterry> mike00, are you talking about the icons that you assigned to contacts?
[14:12] <mike00> mterry I'm talking about the icon I can see in the Today scope under favourite contacts, when a favourite contacts hasn't any image
[14:13] <mterry> mike00, ah yeah.  Probably in the suru icon pack, but if you can't find it there... to find out the icon name, you'd probably have to dig in the Today scope source
[14:13] <mterry> not sure where that is..
[14:17] <mike00> I found the scope on launchpad, but in the code I can't find images or the source code...
[14:17] <Smurphy> Anyone knows when the bluetooth/handsfree stuff will be fixed? Doesn't work for either my Car- Audio system nor my Bike Helmet audio-Interface.
[14:18] <mike00> https://launchpad.net/today-scope
[14:19] <kaisoz> hi there
[14:19] <kaisoz> hi there again xD
[14:23] <dobey> Smurphy: presumably those are both bluetooth low energy devices?
[14:29] <mike00> so nobody here knows where I can find the favourite contact image in ubuntu touch?
[14:31] <pmcgowan> probably in the theme? kyleN ?
[14:32] <kyleN> mike00, I can find that
[14:34] <mike00> kyleN, where do you mean?
[14:35] <kyleN> mike00, I will find the image for you if that is what you want
[14:36] <mike00> ok, thanks very much
[14:37] <mike00> if it isn't a problem for you...
[14:37] <Nycticebuscoucan> Hi guys, do you know a tutorial how to conect vlc control on ubuntu touch to a ubuntu pc
[14:38] <Nycticebuscoucan> I can't find how it works
[14:39] <ogra_> probably ask the maintainer by mail
[14:39] <mike00> If you want I can explain it to you
[14:39] <kyleN> mike00<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:39] <ogra_> (if he's not around)
[14:40] <mike00> thanks kyleN, but it is on the phone?
[14:40] <kyleN> mike00, yes. do you want me to email you the png instead?
[14:41] <mike00> no, I'll take from the phone. thanks a lot
[14:41] <kyleN> awesome
[14:43] <Nycticebuscoucan> mike00 did you mean you could explain the vlc thing or was it something else
[14:43] <mike00> yeah
[14:43] <mike00> I wrote you in a private chat
[14:47] <mike00> kyleN, isn't there a svg image?
[14:55] <jarlath> Notifications lower music volume and it cannot be increased because the phone thinks it's still at 100%. What to file against?
[15:03] <ahayzen> jarlath, probably start at media-hub
[15:03] <jhodapp> ahayzen, jarlath I've seen that too, it's a pulseaudio issue
[15:03] <jhodapp> not media-hub
[15:03] <ahayzen> jhodapp, ah :-)
[15:03] <jhodapp> so file against pulseaudio package
[15:04] <jarlath> Thanks guys, I'll do that :)
[15:04] <jhodapp> thanks jarlath
[15:04] <jhodapp> jarlath, the more specific the steps to reproduce the better, thanks!
[15:05] <jarlath> jhodapp: noted
[15:06] <jarlath> According to this we don't track pulseaudio bugs: https://answers.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+question/218690
[15:07] <jarlath> It's also not noted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[15:12] <dobey> jarlath: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bugs
[15:12] <dobey> jarlath: upstream bugs are not tracked in launchpad. but for ubuntu, bugs are filed against the packages
[15:25] <jarlath> dobey: thanks
[15:31] <jarlath> Done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1582779
[16:10] <ba2095> Hi, guys! I have one question on apps installation on my bq m10: I use chroot env for cli apps, but how can I install armhf compiled GUI apps (X, Qt/GTK), for example, TeXMaker to use in desktop mode, anyone knows?
[16:17] <ogra_> ba2095, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[16:18] <ba2095> I will try that, thanks, ogra_!
[16:18] <ogra_> :)
[16:47] <javier4> Hi guys, an info: given an aosp marshmallow complete device tree, would it be possible to port ubuntu touch, kitkat or lollipop branch? Or the proprietary blobs would be an issue?
[17:02] <Funmungus> Wow that is pretty amazing ogra_.  I was wondering how to get QtCreator to show up, and I hope it works.
[17:02] <ogra_> i just made evolution work ;)
[17:02] <ogra_> needed quite some haackery thogh
[17:03] <Funmungus> grats
[17:14] <dobey> javier4: the blobs are kernel version dependent. you could theoretically make a marshmallow build of the android bits and get ubuntu to work on it, but would likely require changes to libhybris among other things
[17:15] <javier4> dobey, thanks, it was exactly what I thought: in practice, taht's not a way.
[17:20] <javier4> at the moment UbuTouch versions are just KitKat (stable) and Lollipop (testing), right?
[17:21] <dobey> no
[17:22] <dobey> most devices are 4.4 (kitkat) and a couple new devices are 5.x (lollipop). there's not generally a difference between stable and rc-proposed channels in terms of kernel/android versions for any specific device.
[17:23] <dobey> only when there are fixes necessary at the level might the rc-proposed builds differe there, and only until an OTA is released into the stable channel
[17:33] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:40] <mimecar> good evening...
[17:41] <sebsebseb> mimecar: hi
[17:52] <Laudeci> Does anyone knows if touch run on HP Slate 21 k100 all-in-one   ?
[17:54] <sebsebseb> Laudeci: probably not
[17:55] <Laudeci> thank you sebsebseb
[17:56] <sebsebseb> Laudeci: acgtsual,y I don't knw that machine, but to run on anything else as n not the offically supported devices
[17:56] <sebsebseb> Laudeci: so Nexus 4 and the Ubuntu devices fomr BQ and Meizu
[17:57] <sebsebseb> Laudeci: would need some kind of rom port I expect, which probably isn't available for your machine
[17:57] <sebsebseb> Laudeci: standard Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch will become more of the same thing or pretty much in the next two years or so as well :d
[17:59] <Laudeci> sebsebseb: thank you anyway, i will keep it with android 4.4
[19:02] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:02] <mimecar> hi sebsebseb
[19:03] <sebsebseb> mimecar: hi
[19:03] <sebsebseb> mimecar: nearly time to try Unity 8 in 16.04 just upgrading first from 15.10 :d
[19:21] <saavento> How is the testing of the OTA 11? Is it good?
[21:58] <TenLeftFingers> Can anyone comment on the status of this dialler bug?
[21:58] <TenLeftFingers> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dialer-app/+bug/1377996


[07:56] <peace> Hi to all Ubuntu devs
[07:57] <peace> I would like to talk about Musicoin
[07:58] <peace> Is there anybody in there would like to listen my story about music and blockchain? And all possible synergies between Ubuntu Studio and Musicoin?
[15:05] <Eickmeyer> Well, that was an interesting sales pitch... >.<
[23:44] <javier_> Hello
[23:47] <javier_> I just read that Ubuntu Studio needs some help. I am not a developer, only a home recording user, still in the learning curve, but would like to know how to help a little bit
[23:48] <javier_> I have a Focusrite 2i2 and I use Ardour for some simple mixing of home recordings using Calf plugins
[23:48] <OvenWerks> javier_: bigest thing is testing I think
[23:48] <javier_> I have a main laptop for my own stuff and a scond one for testing
[23:49] <javier_> Thanks OvenWeks, any suggestion on how to help? I know there will be a 19,04
[23:49] <OvenWerks> yes, so we will need to start testing that quite soon.
[23:50] <OvenWerks> The big things are new things like ubuntustudio-controls
[23:50] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-installer and some others
[23:51] <Eickmeyer> Even hanging out in IRC is a good way to help.
[23:51] <OvenWerks> -installer is for installing the studio apps and settings on another ubuntu flavour
[23:52] <javier_> So, should I download an Alpha, or beta or is there a doc on how to get and install Ubuntu Studio 19,04 ?
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> If you want to test, you can download the current daily build at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> The newest versions of our tools aren't in it, however, so you'd want to add the ubuntustudio-dev/autobuild ppa if you want to test those items.
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> Those things should be included in the ISO before feature freeze, which is February 14th.
[23:56] <javier_> Thanks guys, I will try to get it and install in in my test laptop
[23:57] <javier_> Bear with me, I have never been a software tester, I will surely come with more questions once I got to install it
[23:58] <javier_> Thanks a lot, gotta leave now.


[08:16] <Laney> cyphermox: I can't tell if light-themes needs a UIFe - does it or are these changes not relevant for desktop?
[08:50] <cjwatson> sigh, I so desperately wish we had binNMU support
[08:50] <Laney> been there
[08:52] <cjwatson> (I probably shouldn't have synced haskell-lifted-base yesterday)
[08:58] <cjwatson> could somebody wave through those haskell-*?  they're the bottom of a many-level stack
[09:02] <seb128> cjwatson, I can (it's ok for me to ack them right, no release team material there?)
[09:03] <Laney> too slow old man
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, being slow pays out, less work to do, you need to learn youngster :p
[09:08]  * Laney hangs his head in shame
[09:10] <iulian> Heh.
[09:13] <cjwatson> seb128: indeed I don't think there's any release team material in these
[09:20] <cjwatson> also could somebody please review libdebian-installer?  it's syncing up with current kernel layout
[09:20] <cjwatson> (I can't, I sponsored it)
[09:36] <ogra_> mknjl;ipo98oiuyjbn ·/[p#]=-09iuo,m @:}#[
[09:36] <jokerdino> hmm
[09:36] <jokerdino> that could be the password i wanted.
[09:47] <ogra_> jokerdino, heh, nope,  but probably the cat you want
[09:47] <jokerdino> it turns out to be a nice cat after all!
[09:48] <ogra_> she is a good pwgen :)
[09:48] <jokerdino> haha.
[09:48] <ogra_> (we feed her cryptic food at times ... that helps
[09:48] <ogra_> )
[09:48] <jokerdino> more entropy than the universe.
[09:54] <stgraber> cjwatson: taking a look
[09:56] <stgraber> done
[09:57] <cjwatson> ta
[09:58] <Daviey> cjwatson: You'd like binNMU to help with transitions?
[10:11] <cjwatson> yes
[10:12] <cjwatson> I sat down with the soyuz folks of the day about four or five years ago to thrash out a design, but implementing it never made it to the top of the list
[11:19]  * cjwatson accepts language packs
[11:21] <apw> infinity, new linux-{,-meta}lowlatency to match linux in the queue ^^
[11:32] <cjwatson> ^- next batch of rebuilds
[11:38] <cjwatson> would be helpful if somebody could process the haskell syncs in NEW too
[11:39] <Laney> what are they for?
[11:39] <cjwatson> if I'm very lucky I might be able to get this wrapped up today, or mostly so ...
[11:39] <cjwatson> deps of project-template
[11:39] <cjwatson> which was a dep of something I now forget
[11:39] <cjwatson> new yesod which works with new conduit, I think
[11:40] <Laney> aha, yes, yesod is depwait
[11:41] <cjwatson> haskell-strict-concurrency is IIRC FTBFS with GHC 7.6, but I'd sort of like to upload a rebuild so that the build failure is visible on LP before removing it - does that make sense to anyone else or am I just being anal?
[11:44] <cjwatson> also: it's becoming increasingly clear that the haskell stuff that was raising random signals in armhf builds is also stuff that build-depends on ghc-ghci
[11:44] <cjwatson> chell, shakespeare-css, ...
[11:49] <Laney> well, strict-concurrency was an easy fix ...
[11:49]  * Laney better upload that
[11:50]  * ogra_ would appreciate if someone could let livecd-rootfs free
[11:51]  * apw would prefer linux*lowlatency was built with the same compilers that the main kernel was, ie started building before gcc-4.7 starts
[11:52] <ogra_> upload a -build1 ?
[11:52] <cjwatson> Laney: oh, ok
[11:52] <cjwatson> apw: will accept shortly
[11:52] <cjwatson> I was staying clear of livecd-rootfs since I contributed to that upload
[11:53] <Laney> There's a pattern to those OldException fixes, at least if they only use catch
[11:53] <cjwatson> who rejected gcc-4.7?
[11:53] <apw> cjwatson, i don't know who did, but there was two at the same version number in my listing
[11:53] <Laney> Move to Control.Exception and use a ScopedTypeVariable with IOException on the second argument
[11:53] <cjwatson> ah
[11:53] <Daviey> ogra_ / cjwatson: Approved livecd-rootfs
[11:53] <cjwatson> thanks
[11:53] <ogra_> thx
[11:54] <cjwatson> apw: just looking to see what's up with LP queue diff generation - it might just be behind due to lots of language packs
[11:55] <apw> cjwatson, np no rush
[11:56] <cjwatson> ah, process-pending-packagediffs has a limited maximum throughput of 50 packages every 12 minutes
[11:58] <doko_> cjwatson, me, uploaded a new one fixing #1168267
[11:59] <cjwatson> ok
[11:59] <doko_> would be nice to get these accepted before the weekend
[12:10] <cjwatson> doko: noted
[13:10] <cyphermox> Laney: yeah it's only changes for touch, doesn't affect desktop
[13:58] <rtg_> infinity, cjwatson, slangasek: please NEW the Nexus4 kernel and meta: linux-nexus4, linux-meta-nexus4
[14:17] <stgraber> the ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu diff is likely pretty long but should be reasonable once you ignore all the translation updates, then you should just be left with the removal of the skype icon
[14:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: ack
[14:34] <Laney> Does UIF cover Xubuntu too or are they supposed to handle docs themselves?
[14:35] <Laney> They want to change their default wallpaper
[14:37] <slangasek> Laney: I'm not aware of anything going through ubuntu-docs that would be impacted by Xubuntu - I guess I would turn the question back to them and just make sure they're confident they've done any coordination they need to
[14:37] <slangasek> since UIF is all about "don't change without coordinating with the relevant doc/translation folks"
[14:39] <Laney> Yeah. I'll say something like that, just thought I'd see if anyone knew offhand.
[14:49] <bdmurray> cjwatson: could you have a look at my sru-report merge proposal? https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/gray-removals/+merge/158502
[14:51] <cjwatson> bdmurray: trying to figure out how "if m_date.replace(tzinfo=None) < today - datetime.timedelta(16):" matches up with your description of "If a bug is tagged removal-candidate (not been verified for more than 90 days)"
[14:51] <bdmurray> cjwatson: it gets tagged removal candidate after 90 days and says will be removed in 15 days
[14:51] <cjwatson> (a) doesn't seem to relate to tags (b) seems to be 16 days not 90?
[14:52] <cjwatson> oh
[14:52] <cjwatson> right, gotcha
[14:52] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/print-manager/+bug/1091340/comments/7
[14:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1091340 in print-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "print-manager spams .xsession-errors" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[14:52] <cjwatson> ah, the commits make it clearer
[14:53] <bdmurray> I should have been clearer in the description, sorry.
[14:53] <slangasek> rtg_: hi, re: linux-nexus4, how is this being used in the context of raring?  Is this on the same footing with linux-nexus7 (universe, no security support)?
[14:53] <cjwatson> bdmurray: should we perhaps be checking the tag and not the message?
[14:53] <rtg_> slangasek, yes AFAIK
[14:54] <cjwatson> bdmurray: ah, never mind, doesn't matter due to the > published_date check
[14:54] <bdmurray> cjwatson: the message has a date associated with it and the tag doesn't (unless you parse the activity log). although we could double check the tag.
[14:54] <cjwatson> bdmurray: merged
[14:57] <bdmurray> thanks
[17:03] <slangasek> rtg_: other q... having these kernels in the archive doesn't mean someone's expecting us to suddenly have nexus4 images released with 13.04, does it?
[17:04] <rtg_> slangasek, the intent is to have Ubuntu touch images based on kernels from the archive. I'm working on getting flash-kernel to work on the N4 and N7 devices.
[17:04] <slangasek> ok
[17:04] <slangasek> rtg_: does that mean these kernels are both androided up?
[17:05] <rtg_> slangasek, it'll likely be a few weeks before the touch images actually use these kernels, but I'm laying the groundwork. The N4 kernel actually works on the device. We've still got some issues with the N7 kernel.
[17:05] <slangasek> ok
[17:05] <rtg_> so, yeah, they are androided up
[17:07] <slangasek> rtg_: anyway, just making sure there's no expectation for a last-minute n4 image - it's fine to have the kernels in universe in the meantime
[17:07] <rtg_> slangasek, no expectation as far as I know.
[17:09] <ogra_> rtg_, btw, has the last linux-nexus7 been tested on the n7 desktop images to make sure we didnt regress ?
[17:10] <rtg_> ogra_, AFAIK Paolo is still working on the touchscreen issue. I think the desktop image works, but not touch image.
[17:10] <ogra_> regarding our discussion in #ubuntu-touch i'm a bit worried now
[17:11] <ogra_> ok
[17:11] <ogra_> just wanting to make ksure there didnt sneak the wrong android config options in (paraniod network would be a desaster)
[17:11] <rtg_> ogra_, do we have a desktop image for the N4 ?
[17:11] <ogra_> nope
[17:12] <slangasek> no, nor should we
[17:12] <rtg_> good, thats what I thought
[17:12] <ogra_> and we might drop the n7 one to not clash with the kernel stuff in 13.10
[17:12] <ogra_> (not sure though, we need *one* desktop image and need to decide which HW that will run on)
[17:35] <balloons> so, I'm curious what the timetable for the rc milestone will be
[17:35] <balloons> who's going to run it? when can I expect it to appear? I want to line up testing properly :-)
[17:36] <ogra_> there is an RC ?
[17:36] <ogra_> i mean ... a specific milestone
[17:37]  * ogra_ thought the last beta was the last milestone until final
[17:39] <ScottK> It is
[17:39] <slangasek> ogra_: we have the desktop image for Panda still
[17:39] <balloons> I thought so too, but the release schedule lies to me.. Or I'm misreading it :-)
[17:39] <balloons> so I thought I'd come confirm and see what's up
[17:40] <slangasek> balloons: where do you see this?  Let's fix it
[17:40] <slangasek> tjaalton, balloons: btw, any progress on the mesa testing question?
[17:40] <balloons> slangasek, yes, indeed.. I think tjaalton is gone by now. But we've had representative testing from all vendors
[17:41] <balloons> lots of intel coverage too.. no issues reported by anyone :-)
[17:41] <balloons> slangasek, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule.. notice it has release canidate on april 18th
[17:42] <ogra_> slangasek, in 13.10 ?
[17:43] <ogra_> slangasek, the kernel will start smelling by then
[17:43] <slangasek> ogra_: it smells already ;)
[17:43] <ogra_> its already moldy
[17:43] <balloons> slangasek, let's see.. 2 amd, 2 nvidia, and 6 intel, plus some virtual machine testing :-)
[17:43] <ogra_> and pray that we dont need some new kernel features for udev or upstart :)
[17:44] <slangasek> ogra_: well, it's already missing kernel features that upstart /wants/... I don't expect our kernel requirements to uplift further in that regard
[17:45] <ogra_> no, but udev is usually really evil if it comes to such stuff ... upstart has always been graceful here
[17:45] <ScottK> balloons: That's not a milestone.  That's when we start working images for the release milestone.
[17:45] <ogra_> i doubt anyone will want  to invest time into that image
[17:45] <slangasek> balloons: so yeah, we still refer to "release candidate" there, and it accurately describes what we're doing, but it's not a milestone... I think I'm going to leave the pages as-is for right now
[17:46] <ogra_> anyway, 13.10 is still far out ...  :)
[17:46] <balloons> slangasek, ScottK no worries.. you just asked why I was confused :-) So we'll simply test dailies as planned
[17:48] <slangasek> ogra_: we're certainly not going to invest tremendous amounts of effort into panda going forward, no; only the minimum needed to ensure we can continue validating the desktop stack on arm, and when that becomes too time-consuming we can look at other approaches but there's no point second-guessing the plan because some other component *might* become incompatible with that kernel
[17:48] <slangasek> ogra_: bear in mind that we've got android BSP kernels in the mix now, too... the panda 3.5.0 is not the worst kernel we have to deal with in terms of Ubuntu userspace compatibility
[17:50] <ogra_> slangasek, heh, true
[17:51] <ogra_> i would personally prefer an n7 desktop image though, because the tegra driver is lots easier to handle (and we have confirmation from nvidia to support the next xserver) ...
[17:52] <ogra_> but that would likely mean two kernels
[18:23] <knome> Laney, slangasek: i think steve is right. i've never really seen anything related to xubuntu in other than xubuntu, or online, docs
[18:28] <Laney> knome: Okey doke. You could check with the docs team if you want, but it's up to you.
[18:30] <knome> i'll do them personal favors and send cookies if there's anything that affects them i'm not aware of.
[18:30] <knome> i think it's fine
[18:34] <xnox> knome: have you seen bug 1163504 lubuntu artwork package is using trademarked icon without permission (skype)
[18:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1163504 in lubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu Raring) "Trademarked assets" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163504
[18:34] <knome> xnox, no, and i'm also not very much on top of lubuntu's development
[18:35] <knome> xnox, is there something i can do for the bug though=
[18:35] <knome> ?
[18:35] <xnox> hmm... sorry thought you are in lubuntu as well.
[18:35] <xnox> need to find relevant people, or I will simply upload.
[18:37] <knome> nope :)
[18:37] <knome> would you be willing to help with the xubuntu package as well?
[18:37] <knome> our next task is to find a sponsor for that one...
[18:43] <knome> (and we have another one waiting as well :/)
[18:43] <knome> (that's a bugfix, but needs sponsoring)
[19:00] <phillw> xnox: I was led to believe that lubuntu need take no actions over the trademark issue?
[19:01] <phillw> I do recall asking :)
[19:30] <tjaalton> slangasek, balloons: yep, the mesa testing seems to go fine
[19:31] <slangasek> tjaalton, balloons: IIRC the target I asked for was "4 different subfamilies for each major chipset, plus binary driver regression testing" - are we going to reach that?
[19:32] <tjaalton> slangasek: binary drivers aren't affected, but seeing more radeon/nouveau testing would be nice
[19:33] <slangasek> tjaalton: so when binary drivers are in use, there's no mesa code loaded in memory by any programs?
[19:33] <slangasek> if so, then full ack
[19:33] <phillw> xnox: I'm the 'other' person on release managers for lubuntu, https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers
[19:33] <tjaalton> slangasek: right, they have their own libGL
[19:37] <tjaalton> slangasek: i'll prepare the official upload after the weekend, thanks
[19:55] <tjaalton> slangasek: can I include a commit or two to fix known bugs? or take this as golden and sru the rest?
[19:56] <slangasek> tjaalton: I think we would want to review those extra commits separately since they're not currently undergoing user testing
[19:56] <slangasek> tjaalton: doesn't mean we can't have them in, but they should definitely be called out separately on the FFe bug
[19:57] <slangasek> tjaalton: also, I feel strongly that the radeon/nouveau testing is more than "would be nice", I think it's essential that it happen
[19:57] <slangasek> tjaalton: did we get any lab testing of this, like was discussed?
[19:58] <tjaalton> slangasek: aiui not yet, balloons?
[19:59] <balloons> slangasek: tjaalton no no lab testing.. It was non-trivial to do so. but I do have a list of potential machines
[19:59] <balloons> it's not setup like I thought it would be to facilitate this easily
[19:59] <balloons> I plan to discuss this at the next UDS :-)
[20:00] <tjaalton> slangasek: we'll prepare 9.1.2 as first sru, so no problem doing another round then
[20:06] <tjaalton> k, back to wknd mode :)
[23:48] <phillw> any of the release team about for a real short chat?