[13:53] <Shock> hi, I have changed a config option, built source package with "debuild -S" and uploaded the package to launchpad. the build fails with "EE: Previous or current ABI file missing!". how can I fix this?
[14:40] <rtg> pgraner: CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=y bug number?
[14:54] <manjo> smb_tp, the kernel prints out so much info that its hard to run the suspend resume tests with it
[14:55] <smb_tp> manjo, Ok, feared so much. I remove most of it and get you something lighter
[14:55] <manjo> smb_tp, also I could not figure out what it was printing coz it was printing so much stuff...
[14:55] <manjo> so looks like the drive reports ready but still in EBUSY state
[14:56] <smb_tp> manjo, Yeah, I turned on the verbose debugging, but saw it probably is too much
[14:56] <manjo> it happens when you suspend without power cord attach and attach the power cord after you suspend and then resume with the power cord still plugged in
[14:57] <manjo> if you give me a clue I can put some debug printfs
[14:57] <smb_tp> Hm, thats interesting
[14:58] <manjo> do you have any hints ?
[14:58] <manjo> I think I found some points where I want to print info reading the code yesterday
[14:58] <smb_tp> I need to play around this anyways as we want/need some debugging there. But I would start around the soft/hard reset functions
[14:58] <manjo> now I have a fair understanding of libata stuff to start putting printfs
[14:59] <manjo> smb_tp, yeah that is what I had in mind
[14:59] <smb_tp> Won't prevent you from doing that then. :)
[15:00] <manjo> :)
[15:04] <tjaalton> apw: hi, what about bug 224642, any chance to get it in before the freeze?
[15:14] <rtg> tjaalton: lest you feel ignored, apw just asked me if he could push the patch for that bug.
[15:15] <apw> rtg thanks ... just got bounced from the network :(
[15:17] <apw> tjaalton, thanks for the prod.  i've pushed that change up and it should make the kernel
[15:19] <manjo> apw, smb_tp did we cancel the meeting for today?
[15:19] <apw> hrm, we cirtainly didn't actually do anything to cancel it
[15:19] <smb_tp> I thought I had written an email...
[15:21] <manjo> smb_tp, yeah see that
[15:21] <manjo> thansk
[15:44] <tjaalton> rtg, apw: great, thanks!
[18:59] <liw> sysklogd looks for a symbol matching Version_[0-9]+ in System.map, but Ubuntu (intrepid, jaunty) doesn't seem to include one; Debian (lenny) does; anyone know what's up?
[18:59] <liw> this is related to #277924
[19:03] <lool> liw: We had one in /boot/System.map-2.6.24-19-generic; perhaps something which was dropped upstream?
[19:09] <liw> I don't have a changelog.Debian that reaches that far back in time, only to 2.6.26-2.6
[19:10] <infinity> liw: What kernel version is lenny shipping that has this symbol?
[19:10] <liw> infinity, 2.6.26
[19:11] <infinity> liw: Ahh, hrm.  In the LP bug, all the reported METOOs are from 2.6.27+, so it may well be an upstream change.
[19:14] <liw> infinity, would you be able to easily check that?
[19:14] <infinity> I have no local git love here.  Haven't worked on the Ubuntu kernel in ages. :/
[19:14] <infinity> So, no, not any more readily than you could.
[19:18] <infinity> liw: There's a random claim from Russell King that on kernels with KALLSYMS, we should be invoking klogd with "-x" to skip the System.map lookup entirely.
[19:19] <infinity> liw: But, we had KALLSYMS=y back in hardy too, where it seemed to work fine.
[19:21] <smb_tp> liw, Hm, what do you mean exactly by Intrepid and Jaunty do not have a System.map?
[19:22] <liw> smb_tp, they don't have a symbol that matches Version_[0-9]+ in their System.map, which is what sysklogd wants to find
[19:22] <liw> in order to figure out which kernel version the map is for, I think
[19:22] <smb_tp> liw, Ah, ok. Got it
[19:23] <liw> infinity, indeed, in my hardy VM, with 2.6.24, System.map is correctly loaded and the symbols it there
[19:23] <liw> I haven't had any real understanding about building kernels since 0.97 or so, so I'm a bit lost here
[19:25] <infinity> liw: Well, I'd begin by a violent recursive grep of the hardy kernel source for the string "Version_", find out where the symbol comes from, then check intrepid/jaunty to see if that codepath went away, or if we're accidentally optimising it away with a certain config option.
[19:25] <smb_tp> infinity, yeah. currently looking
[19:27] <infinity> liw: Out of curiosity, does this missing symbol (and klogd not getting to load System.map) actually lead to any real bugs, or just ugly log output? :P
[19:27] <liw> infinity, that's a good question :)
[19:27] <infinity> liw: I mean, I'd assume it prevents klogd from doing pointer lookups to name symbols... But I have no idea why we'd care.
[19:30] <infinity> liw: Assuming that programs that actually make use of System.map (modutils, ksymoops, that sort of thing) are parsing it correctly, I'm not entirely sure that the klogd thing matters at all, and maybe we should just be invoking it with "-x" to skip the System.map read entirely.
[19:30] <infinity>        -x     Omits EIP translation and therefore doesn’t read the System.map file.
[19:31] <smb_tp> I would think that missing the right System.map has simmilar effect
[19:32] <liw> if we don't care about System.map being found by sysklogd, we don't need to do anything, really
[19:32] <smb_tp> But since I already saw stack traces with symbol names there must be an alternate way
[19:32] <infinity> smb_tp: Oh, I'm sure the end result is the same, just that one avoids an Sky is Falling error message. :)
[19:32] <infinity> smb_tp: I suspect the symbol names are coming from KALLSYMS=y
[19:32] <infinity> smb_tp: (As noted, users of KALLSYMS should be loading klogd with -x anyway)
[19:33] <infinity> liw: Optionally, if you can find a clever way to detect KALLSYMS is in effect, you could patch klogd to print a friendlier "KALLSYMS kernel loaded, skipping System.map load", instead of "OH GOD, NO SYSTEM.MAP, HALP!"
[19:34] <liw> infinity, I think I'd rather see someone who understands what you just said do that :)
[19:34] <smb_tp> infinity, that would be a plausible explanation.
[19:35] <liw> the bug was marked as medium priority by colin king, so I should perhaps ask him why
[19:35] <infinity> Anyhow, from what I can tell with some basic research and a bit of futzing in the code, I think the error message (for us, anyway) is entirely harmless.  Just a bit scary.
[19:35] <smb_tp> infinity, Well the message is just plain "Cannot find map file" and then "Loaded x symbols from y modules". Not someting that let me panic
[19:35] <infinity> smb_tp: "Cannot find" on a file that clearly exists is cause for panic for a lot of people. :)
[19:36] <infinity> smb_tp: "Not loading, because of $reason" is a bit friendlier.
[19:36] <infinity> (The number of people METOOing the bug sort of backs up my assertion)
[19:36] <liw> (the real fix would might be to switch to a syslogd written by people who know C I/O)
[19:37] <infinity> liw: Our klogd works well enough.  *shrug*
[19:37] <smb_tp> infinity, Agreed, it is slightly misleading
[19:38] <infinity> smb_tp: No one likes the second line in their boot sequence to be "I can't find ur filez noob"
[19:38] <liw> anyway, I'm done for today, thanks for you help with this
[19:39] <smb_tp> infinity, We could suggest "Confused by the contents of the file"
[19:41] <infinity> smb_tp: Well, I'm curious if the Version_* symbol goes away only on KALLSYMS builds, or if it's gone completely.
[19:41] <infinity> smb_tp: If it's gone completely, then we do have a real bug here, whether in the upstream kernel or in our klogd, where things will be suboptimal for users building their own kernels.
[19:41] <smb_tp> infinity, Yeah I am trying to find out for curiosity. Somehow it is not quickly grepable
[19:41] <infinity> smb_tp: If it's only gone on KALLSYMS builds, I call it a non-bug.
[19:42] <infinity> (Though the error message going away or being re-written would be swell)
[19:42] <infinity> liw: I tossed a pithy followup on the bug with very little technical explanation, because I didn't feel like typing. :P
[19:43] <infinity> liw: If you want more info there, there's plenty of backscroll here to cut and paste. :)
[19:44] <smb_tp> I would very much suspect if cking put it as medium, then its just a nuisance and probably time was lacking to bother
[19:46] <infinity> smb_tp: On the flipside, this could be seen as an accidental optimization.  If we have symbol lookups built into the kernel, it's a terrible waste to have them also loaded into klogd's (probably non-pageable) memory.
[19:48] <smb_tp> infinity, It makes much sense. Why have that twice. Maybe just an oversight to _not_ display the message.
[19:51] <smb_tp> infinity, hah, yeah...
[19:51] <smb_tp> #ifndef CONFIG_KALLSYMS
[19:51] <smb_tp> #define version(a) Version_ ## a
[19:52] <smb_tp> in init/version.c
[19:52] <infinity> smb_tp: Perfect, that's what I was hoping for.
[19:52]  * infinity follows up to the bug again.
[19:55] <smb_tp> commit 197dcffc8ba0ea943fee86e28e99cd9575799772
[19:55] <smb_tp> init/version.c: define version_string only if CONFIG_KALLSYMS is not defined
[19:56] <infinity> smb_tp: Thanks for the backtracking.  I've updated the bug to confirm that it's harmless, and to suggest making klogd's error message disappear or be made friendlier.
[19:56] <smb_tp> infinity, Ok, cool.
[23:38] <rtg> apw: kirkland says he is stable now without the i945 patch.
[23:38] <apw> yes he said that to me too
[23:39] <rtg> apw: are you doing a different patch for it?
[23:39] <apw> the patch cannot be the trigger for pgraner's issue as it wasn't in .38
[23:39] <apw> and the reports of the compiz issues explicitly were seen on .38
[23:40] <apw> bug 356951
[23:40] <ubot3> Malone bug 356951 in compiz "Compiz sometimes hangs the machine" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/356951
[23:40] <apw> we have no clue as to cause of his issue at this time
[23:42] <rtg> apw: hmm, so you're thinking that the i945 patch had nothing to do with kirkland's stability?
[23:42] <apw> sorry ... i am confusing you with use of him
[23:43] <apw> kirkland was ok on .38 and ok with 41 with the revert,. this is consistant with it being the BCHBAR patch as it was .39 material
[23:44] <apw> its not consistant with pgraner's issue as that is seen in .38 which does not have it
[23:44] <apw> (it == the patch)
[23:44] <rickspencer3> apw: could that not mean (as bryce points out to me) that pgraner suffers from yet another issue?
[23:45] <rtg> apw: so, you're OK with reverting the BCHBAR patch?
[23:45] <apw> right, that is what i was trying and failing to communicate, that pgraner has a different issue
[23:45] <apw> i think kirkland is sufficient reason to be suspicious of the patch and revert it regardless
[23:46] <rtg> apw: got it. will do.
[23:46] <apw> rtg ack
[23:50] <bryce> rtg, apw: if you have any other questions on that patch, jbarnes has popped in here
[23:52] <rtg> bryce, jbarnes: Its been shown to be the culprit for hard lockups on kirkland's laptop (which I think is i945).
[23:52] <jbarnes> rtg: at boot or during use?
[23:52] <jbarnes> s/boot/i915 load/
[23:52] <rtg> apw built a test kernel with only the BCHBAR patch reverted. it locks fairly soon after GDM starts, certainly within a few minutes.
[23:53] <jbarnes> MCHBAR I hope?
[23:53] <apw> yep
[23:53] <rtg> jbarnes: I think so, but he's busy at this conference using his laptop, so its hard to get much access to  it.
[23:54] <apw> we are separately suffering a compix triggered machine hang on a number of systems
[23:54] <jbarnes> hm
[23:54] <apw> yep saw it with my own eyes, hard locks, compiz off
[23:54] <jbarnes> the MCHBAR patch will allow for tiled rendering on more machines...
[23:54] <apw> revert the patch and goodness ensues
[23:54] <jbarnes> so there may be a more generic tiling related problem
[23:54] <apw> and blow up machines
[23:54] <apw> :)
[23:55] <apw> jbarnes, does sound feasable
[23:56] <jbarnes> that could be confirmed by running with the patch but adding option "tiling" "false" to xorg.conf's intel driver section


[06:56] <evan`> Hello??? Anybody online?
[06:57] <evan`> 有人看到我发的字咩？
[06:57] <evan`> gggggggggggggg
[07:00] <evan`> Wow


[15:00] <howarth> Anyone else seeing breaking with dropbox under lunar?
[15:01] <howarth> Upgrading from kinetic, the nautilus menu icon doesn't work and the Dropbox application seems to be non-functional
[15:01] <howarth> oddly, the file directory seems to still be present and working in Nautilus itself
[15:02] <howarth> It's properly showing the green checkmark icons next to all of the dropbox files on their server
[15:04] <oerheks> maybe you need to login online, to get your new install verified/trusted?
[15:05] <howarth> The non-functionality of the dropbox icon in the menu bar argues and the presence of the file verification icons in the file viewer argues otherwise
[15:05] <howarth> It looks like the legacy support of gnome used by the GUI interface to dropbox is has broken
[15:06] <howarth> Also, dropbox is weird
[15:06] <howarth> As far as I know, the dropbox-nautilus application installs the actual linux dropbox code and routinely updates it
[15:07] <howarth> but without explicitly installing further deb packages
[15:07] <howarth> so there may be some issues with dependencies that aren't being enforced under lunar anymore if not present in a deb's dependencies
[15:08] <howarth> ii  nautilus-dropbox                           2019.02.14-1.2
[15:08] <howarth> The actual dropbox in use is way newer than that
[15:08] <howarth> however you can only see the version number from the GUI dropbox menus in the menu bar
[15:08] <howarth> which are no longer functional
[15:09] <howarth> that is how you check to see if the dropbox code has been recently updated automatically
[15:10] <howarth> looks like this has been on the downward slope for awhile
[15:10] <howarth> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/official-dropbox-package-doesnt-install-in-fedora-37/69314
[15:11] <howarth> Fixed
[15:12] <howarth> https://www.dropbox.com/install-linux
[15:12] <howarth> Had to install dropbox_2022.12.05_amd64.deb
[15:12] <howarth> that pulled in libpango1.0-0
[15:16] <howarth> Argh
[15:16] <howarth> spoke too soon
[15:17] <howarth> It does make the Dropbox app respond but the menu icon is still not producing dropdown menus
[15:17] <howarth> It does get updated with the checkmark showing that is has checked their servers and updated the files which is an improvement
[15:18] <howarth> Interestingly, installing the upstream dropbox deb replaces the dropbox-nautilus
[15:19] <howarth> given that dropbox-nautilus is based on the 2019 code base and needs to auto update to a newer dropbox internally, that was always going to eventually break
[15:21] <howarth> So far lunar looks like an improvement over kinetic. The 6.2 kernel seems less prone to failing to properly start the Intel WI-FI 6E AX210 PCI card
[15:22] <howarth> Not as solid as the original 22.04 kernel but not as bad as the 5.19 ones which basically failed on an initial cold boot every time
[15:22] <howarth> Intel's linux support isn't what it used to be
[15:24] <peterdk> I did post here 2 days ago, I saw in the chatlog that later someone responded. I'll keep monitoring that log, cause I won't be online the whole time. Anyway, I experience a quite serious bug in 23.04 beta. I am on 200% scaling on a 4K monitor, and some of the statusbars are tiny, I guess they are somehow not scaled. This happend with OpenOffice and
[15:24] <peterdk> Visual Studio Code, but also the dialog that asks me for my password after I login to unlock the keychain. Can somebody point me to where I should file this bug? It happens on live cd as well, so it's not my config. https://pasteboard.co/S0idNZig1HEV.png
[15:28] <peterdk> I mean libreoffice ofcourse.


[13:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 when/how can the Kubuntu laptop be purchased?
 @Sick_Rimmit ^^^
 its not on their website and they havent promoted it at all. (no tweets, toots, blog posts, etc) … so seems like its going to cause lots of confusion
 Hi @MichaelTunnell  the PR is just for the review units, their will be pre-ordered coming soon. I can come talk with you on DL or TWIL if you want 🥰
 @Sick_Rimmit, so can I request a review unit or something? What is the PR for exactly? To say review units are sent out or what?
 Yes, they've gone to a few tech news journo type's
 I asked a couple questions, which was the yes for :D


[15:39] <jelkner> good morning all
[15:40] <jelkner> irc.ubuntu.net is not resolving
[15:41] <jelkner> so i couldn't get on irc without changing to freenode
[15:42] <jelkner> that may be a problem for other ubuntu users who don't know what to do
[15:42] <jelkner> weird
[15:42] <jelkner> i don't know much about how dns works
[15:42] <jelkner> but host irc.ubuntu.net
[15:42] <jelkner> returns:
[15:42] <jelkner> ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode.
[15:42] <jelkner> socket.c:2486: REQUIRE((((sock) != ((void *)0)) && (((const isc__magic_t *)(sock))->magic == ((('I') << 24 | ('O') << 16 | ('i') << 8 | ('o')))))) failed.
[15:42] <jelkner> Aborted
[15:43] <jelkner> anyone know to whom i could report this?
[15:43] <jelkner> anyway, need to get ready for class
[15:43] <jelkner> we have a meeting here today at 1:40 pm
[15:53] <jelkner> is there anybody out there?
[15:53] <jelkner> MYabes would like to link his smoke test data to some where
[15:54] <jelkner> i told him we should have a wiki portal for that
[15:54] <jelkner> he is recording his data in a google doc
[15:54] <dfarning> good morn, just got done shoveling.
[15:54] <jelkner> publish as web page and link to wiki would be the easiest next step
[15:54] <jelkner> dfarning, where should michael link his results?
[15:55] <dfarning> jelkner, could he put it under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test on the wiki?
[15:56] <dfarning> MYabes, that way is it available for other to use and build on top of.
[15:57] <dfarning> 1 register for an account on the ubuntu wiki.
[15:58] <dfarning> 2.  type the name for the new page in your browser -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test/Results
[15:59] <dfarning> 3 click create new page.
[18:40] <jelkner> #startmeeting
[18:40] <meeting> Meeting started at 13:41 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
[18:40] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[18:40] <jelkner> OK, anyone here in addition to me for the sugarlabs dc meeting?
[18:41] <jelkner> michael is here also, but he is waiting for his computer to boot
[18:50] <jelkner> hi michael
[18:50] <MYabes> hey
[18:50] <jelkner> we are waiting for anurag
[18:50] <jelkner> he is on a public computer
[18:50] <jelkner> downloading chatzilla
[18:51] <MYabes> ok
[18:52] <jelkner> hi Anurag!
[18:53] <Anurag> hey sorry for the delay
[18:53] <jelkner> ok, looks like only you, MYabes and i
[18:53] <Anurag> was using a MAC
[18:53] <jelkner> that's ok
[18:53] <jelkner> let's get started
[18:53] <jelkner> 1st thing i wanted to do is get you MYabes schedule
[18:53] <Anurag> ok great
[18:53] <jelkner> MYabes, can you tell Anurag which days / times you are here?
[18:54] <MYabes> tues, thurs,fri 8:30-11:05, 12:30-2:40
[18:55] <jelkner> and mon, wed from 1:40 to 2:40
[18:55] <jelkner> hgrover is here mon-fri from 1:40 to 2:40 pm
[18:56] <jelkner> btw.  I'm really glad we have this channel auto logging now
[18:56] <jelkner> i was able to review the discussion here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/10/%23ubuntu-sugarteam.html
[18:56] <jelkner> to look up the meeting commands
[18:56] <jelkner> ok, Anurag, we need some guidance
[18:57] <jelkner> which i understand is your department ;-)
[18:57] <jelkner> MYabes has been working his way through the smoke test
[18:57] <jelkner> he has a google doc he has created with the results so far
[18:57] <jelkner> MYabes, can you please past the url here?
[18:58] <Anurag> are you using the smoke test that's on the sugar labs wiki?
[18:58] <jelkner> s/past/paste
[18:58] <Anurag> i think that was created last september
[18:59] <MYabes> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc63cfgj_11dzj9f7fs
[18:59] <jelkner> so Anurag, MYabes is looking for guidance
[19:00] <jelkner> i can get more folks involved in testing,  but it only makes sense if we can contribute in a real way
[19:01] <jelkner> Anurag, what do you think?
[19:01] <Anurag> right, I think we need to ask David what specifically he wants to include on the smoke test
[19:02] <jelkner> Anurag, when do you work on this project?
[19:02] <jelkner> how many hours per week and which ones?
[19:02] <jelkner> i'd like to try to coordinate with you
[19:02] <Anurag> I usually work 10 hrs a week
[19:03] <Anurag> usually from 12-2 mon - thurs
[19:03] <jelkner> hmm...
[19:03] <Anurag> and then a couple hrs during the weekend
[19:03] <Anurag> have u seen the smoke test for the .84 release?
[19:03] <jelkner> given MYabes times, is there a possibility to schedule overlap times?
[19:03] <Anurag> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Smoke_test
[19:03] <jelkner> no
[19:03]  * jelkner looks
[19:04] <jelkner> ok, this is better
[19:04] <jelkner> do you want us to run this?
[19:05] <Anurag> yea, at least use it as a foundation
[19:05] <jelkner> let's get our wiki info down here
[19:05] <jelkner> to refer to later
[19:05] <jelkner> we should use the ubuntu resources
[19:05] <jelkner> so the ubuntu wiki
[19:05] <jelkner> do we have a home page on the wiki?
[19:06] <jelkner> Anurag, do you know if we have a home page on the wiki?
[19:07] <jelkner> like a start page
[19:07] <jelkner> from which we can link everything else?
[19:07] <Anurag> don't think we have a home page
[19:07] <Anurag> I can make one
[19:07] <Anurag> titled "Ubuntu Sugar Remix" ?
[19:08] <jelkner> yes
[19:08] <jelkner> let's confirm with dfarning
[19:08] <jelkner> but that sounds good to me
[19:08] <jelkner> UbuntuSugarRemix
[19:08] <jelkner> as a wiki word
[19:08] <jelkner> i can make it if you like
[19:08] <jelkner> but i didn't want to do it if it is already there
[19:08] <jelkner> let me look
[19:09] <Anurag> yea sure that would be great
[19:09] <Anurag> pretty sure it's not there already
[19:09] <jelkner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix
[19:09] <jelkner> it is there
[19:09] <jelkner> Anurag, do you have a launchpad account?
[19:10] <Anurag> yes
[19:10] <jelkner> cool
[19:10] <jelkner> so this is the portal page
[19:10] <jelkner> can you create a smoke test page?
[19:10] <Anurag> yea, as a subpage?
[19:10] <jelkner> yes
[19:11] <jelkner> SmokeTest
[19:11] <Anurag> yea I can do that
[19:11] <jelkner> cool
[19:11] <jelkner> then copy the smoke test from the .84 version you showed us
[19:11] <jelkner> and we can modify it to suit our needs
[19:11] <jelkner> sound like a plan?
[19:11] <Anurag> sounds good
[19:11] <jelkner> until recently, USR wouldn't load from gdm
[19:12] <jelkner> i checked yesterday and it did
[19:12] <jelkner> i have testing machines available
[19:12] <jelkner> so as soon as we have a good process
[19:12] <jelkner> MYabes can have at it
[19:12] <satellit_> hello I have been testing USR also here
[19:12] <jelkner> satellit_, awesome!
[19:12] <jelkner> let's get a test process on the wiki
[19:13] <jelkner> so we can all be reading from the same script
[19:13] <Anurag> is there a USR image accessible?
[19:13] <satellit_> I have VBox and VMworkstation here and several netbooks
[19:13] <jelkner> Anurag, what is your job description?
[19:13] <jelkner> what exactly are you tasked with for your 10 hours?
[19:14] <jelkner> i want to include that in my thinking on how we can work together
[19:14] <jelkner> satellit_, great
[19:14] <Anurag> caroline and I usually work together to set my objectives
[19:14] <hgrover> hello all
[19:14] <Anurag> but she wants me to spend a lot of my time this semester working with USR
[19:14] <jelkner> Anurag should i ask her then?
[19:14] <Anurag> and testing Blueberry
[19:14] <jelkner> ok
[19:15] <jelkner> if we could know your availability
[19:15] <jelkner> (and i'll ask her)
[19:15] <jelkner> then we can plan better
[19:15] <jelkner> can you be responsible for the smoke test?
[19:15] <Anurag> looks like this time would be the best since it works for all of us
[19:15] <jelkner> this time is great for our weekly meeting
[19:15] <Anurag> yes
[19:16] <jelkner> i'm not suggesting we change that
[19:16] <jelkner> i'm just talking more in general
[19:16] <satellit_> will USR work with http://schooltool.org/?
[19:16] <jelkner> satellit_, yes
[19:17] <jelkner> since USR runs on top of ubuntu
[19:17] <jelkner> and schooltool does too
[19:17] <Anurag> would you have to "sugarize" it first
[19:17] <jelkner> http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/install-toc.html
[19:17] <jelkner> Anurag, it is a web app
[19:17] <jelkner> so no
[19:18] <Anurag> o ok, then yea it should definitely work
[19:18] <jelkner> it runs as a service on localhost:7080
[19:18] <jelkner> after installing the debs
[19:19] <jelkner> ok, i have students
[19:19] <jelkner> i need to attend to
[19:20] <Anurag> ok
[19:20] <jelkner> Anurag, can you talk to MYabes and hgrover about what they should do this week?
[19:20] <jelkner> and then i'll check back in and close the meeting
[19:20] <Anurag> yea no problem
[19:20] <jelkner> so, we have a few goals:
[19:20] <jelkner> 1. get the smoke test up
[19:20] <jelkner> 2. start using it to test
[19:22] <jelkner> i'll send the minutes to dfarning and caroline
[19:22] <Anurag> ok great
[19:22] <jelkner> and see if there are other things that should be on the list.
[19:22] <hgrover> (the smoke test isn't still up?)
[19:22] <Anurag> so it looks like our times overlap 1:40- 2:40 on pretty much all week days
[19:23] <Anurag> no it's not up yet
[19:23] <hgrover> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test?
[19:23] <hgrover> is that just an unfinished version? sorry for being confused, i think i missed something =)
[19:25] <Anurag> oh I've never seen this page, looking over it right now, one sec
[19:26] <hgrover> yeah, i think it's in the process of being updated constantly
[19:26] <hgrover> we're basically trying to fill it up with our goals, which i'm sure jeff has told you about anurang?
[19:27] <Anurag> yea looks like david updated it yesterday
[19:27] <hgrover> alright
[19:27] <Anurag> now do you know if anyone has had a chance to run this smoke test on USR?
[19:28] <hgrover> i think that's what myabes is supposed to be doing, he just ran to the water fountain
[19:28] <hgrover> yeah, myabes ran through it and made a google doc about what worked and what didn't
[19:28] <hgrover> what was the link, michael?
[19:28] <Anurag> I saw the link
[19:28] <MYabes> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc63cfgj_11dzj9f7fs
[19:29] <hgrover> (i didn't =))
[19:29] <Anurag> Michael did you just basically try running a bunch of different activities?
[19:29] <Anurag> have you done any of the other tests on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test ?
[19:30] <satellit_> how are you doing smoke test? Virtual Box /CD/USB?
[19:31] <Anurag> Henry do you know?
[19:31] <hgrover> i don't, let me help him find out
[19:32] <Anurag> I'm assuming VM
[19:32] <hgrover> he actually installed karmic on his laptop, then installed USR from the ppa
[19:32] <MYabes> i just tried all of the activities on usr, to see if they worked or not
[19:32] <hgrover> so no VM craziness at all
[19:33] <satellit_> ovf import works well in sun Virtualbox
[19:34] <hgrover> I'm a little confused about the state of things.  Did we ever get a place where one could just download USR VDI's?
[19:34] <satellit_> http://people.sugarlabs.org/dfarning/  for DL of iso and ovf files (4required)
[19:35] <Anurag> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix/Test
[19:35] <hgrover> ah, awesome
[19:35] <satellit_> david builds them with script
[19:35] <Anurag> so I think we should create a spreadsheet that covers the different parameters on david's version of the smoke test
[19:37] <Anurag> and then come up with some kind of testing schedule
[19:37] <hgrover> yeah.  myabes has a good amount of time each day, a little bit of which i think was portioned to the smoke test (is that right, michael?)
[19:38] <MYabes> yes
[19:38] <hgrover> alright, awesome
[19:38] <hgrover> so as changes are made, michael can tell us what works and what doesn't, wherfe should this spreadsheet be though? a shared googledoc?
[19:38] <hgrover> where*
[19:39] <Anurag> yea just make it a shared google doc
[19:39] <hgrover> and it's 2:40, we have to go catch our bus >.<
[19:39] <Anurag> so we can all update it
[19:39] <hgrover> and alright, that sounds good
[19:39] <Anurag> alright i'll stay on until jeff gets back
[19:39] <hgrover> i can come back tomorrow at this time, if there's anything more to be discussed? alright
[19:39] <Anurag> sounds good jeff or I will probably send an email
[19:40] <MYabes> i have to go now, cya
[19:40] <jelkner> #endmeeting
[19:40] <meeting> Meeting finished at 14:42.
[19:40] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100216_1341.html
[19:41]  * dfarning read logs:)
[19:41] <satellit_> note: USR does not shut down correctly use terminal sudo shutdown -h now
[19:41] <Anurag> o ok
[19:42] <satellit_> otherwise it hangs if you use F3 dropdown "shutdown" and you cannot get to terminal
[19:42] <dfarning> satellit_, still  a know problem.  It won't get fixed until lucic developers settle on a startup/shutdown process.
[19:43] <satellit_> OK I wa just warning them of the way it is......: )
[19:44] <Anurag> david do you know if anyone has run through your smoke test yet?
[19:44] <dfarning> satellit_, there are hooks in the most recent iso so crashes get sent ot llaunchpd via arport.
[19:44] <satellit_> great
[19:45] <satellit_> do you have to log in to use it?  that has stopped me in the past
[19:45] <dfarning> Anurag, not that I know of... I just cut a pasted a smoke test that I set up for some students at RIT last semester.
[19:46] <Anurag> o ok, I was wondering why it kept referring to an XO
[19:46] <dfarning> satellit_, Yes, I think you need to be logged into LP
[19:46] <satellit_> dfarning: that would be better if you did not have to...?more people would use it
[19:46] <satellit_> like fedora smolt
[19:47] <dfarning> Anurag, yes the exercis was set up as a first lecture/first lab so the students got familiarity with the xo and worked through problems together.
[19:50] <Anurag> david, have people been using the USR launchpad page to report problems?
[19:53] <Anurag> or was that page set up recently?


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[08:04] <cnx_> hello
[08:05] <cnx_> i have a problem while booting on RT kernel, it loads and got this black screen....... is it "nouveau" or nvidia's issue ?
[08:06] <cnx_> also, i got no sound generally, got ffado,n do you think it's because i am on low latency kernel and rt kernel will fix ?
[08:07] <cnx_> any help ?
[10:11] <cri13> hello
[10:12] <cri13> i have a firewire saffire pro 24 and i hear no sound from it : got ffado, sometimes there is sound randomly, but i almost never have sound, why ?
[10:13] <cri13> in pulseaudio mixer there is sound coming but i hear nothing
[10:14] <cri13> anyone can help me please ? i search since 5 days & night, i cant sleep :(
[15:39] <DaDaCinnamon> Hi guys .. anyone about ?
[15:41] <DaDaCinnamon> Hi danwe
[15:42] <danwe> Hi DaDaCinn
[15:44] <DaDaCinnamon> danwe: Hows it going on ubuntustudio ? You a user or a dev ?
[15:46] <danwe> DaDaCinnamon: I am a user
[15:47] <DaDaCinnamon> danwe: What do you use it for #creatively ?
[15:48] <danwe> DaDaCinnamon: I use it primarily for audio production. I also teach music using UStudio.
[15:48] <DaDaCinnamon> danwe: Oh right, a musician. All instruments ? or only things like the guitar & keyboard ?
[15:51] <danwe> DaDaCinnamon: I play and teach the Cello and use it for contemporary music, notation, electro acoustical projects, editing, recording etc.
[15:58]  * DaDaCinnamon always wanted ubuntustudio on one of these: http://notebookitalia.it/images/stories/dell_studio_17_mikeming.jpg
[16:30] <DaDaCinnamon> danwe: Your from europe ?
[16:40] <DaDaCinnamon> oh israel .. i see.
[17:10] <sakrecoer> hello DaDaCinnamon :)
[17:10] <DaDaCinnamon> Hiya hows it hanging ?
[17:10] <sakrecoer> all good in the cyberhood, you?
[17:11] <DaDaCinnamon> Yeah, not bad - just tidying up some bounty descriptions on savannah.nongnu.org
[17:12] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: what dell is that?
[17:12] <DaDaCinnamon> dell 15r , I think (a studio type).
[17:12] <DaDaCinnamon> love them.
[17:12] <DaDaCinnamon> very bohemian.
[17:13] <sakrecoer> :) looks good indeed. I'm a sticker guy myself :p
[17:13] <DaDaCinnamon> yeah - I guess you could add those.
[17:13] <sakrecoer> i mean, i like my computer blank, so i can decorate them myself :D
[17:13] <DaDaCinnamon> but they went outta production.
[17:14] <DaDaCinnamon> you can pick up one, once in a while on feebay.
[17:15] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: are you an ubuntustudio user?
[17:15] <sakrecoer> or just checking by? :)
[17:15] <DaDaCinnamon> you then use a system called DELL Switch - to switch the covers.
[17:16] <sakrecoer> oh.. and can one also use it without the cover? some situation, i kindof wish i could hide my stickers :D
[17:17] <DaDaCinnamon> as in here: http://ow.ly/zLOA304fy7i sorry for the delay, there.
[17:18] <DaDaCinnamon> I think so.
[17:18] <DaDaCinnamon> Last time I used UStudio was on vitual box.
[17:19] <DaDaCinnamon> or virtual disc - whatever.
[17:19] <DaDaCinnamon> Do they still do 32 bit versions of ubuntu sudio ?
[17:19] <sakrecoer> yes :)
[17:20] <DaDaCinnamon> well thats what i use on my 16.04 laptop then.
[17:20] <sakrecoer> what you into? music? graphics? any and all?
[17:21] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: Do you know of any ubuntu studio bugs that are a bitch (technically speaking for you ) ?
[17:22] <DaDaCinnamon> wheres the launchpad bug list ?
[17:23] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: all of a sudden, i'm unsure, get them via mail lol... but i think this is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio
[17:24] <sakrecoer> as for anoying bugs... not really.. the netwrok thing, but that is not studio specific--
[17:25] <sakrecoer> it says fix released, but i'm up to date and i still ahve it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574347
[17:29] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: opening ..
[17:32] <DaDaCinnamon> Yeah, I hate the wifi issues with Xenial.
[17:33] <DaDaCinnamon> That's why I'm off-line 99% of the time.
[17:34] <DaDaCinnamon> I actually started a new project.
[17:34] <DaDaCinnamon> Based on a LTS update cycle and using 100GB BDXL discs.
[17:35] <DaDaCinnamon> https://www.bountysource.com/issues/37885874-be-able-to-install-from-blu-ray-bdxl-100gb-discs
[18:56] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: you still there ?
[18:57] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: yes :)
[18:59] <DaDaCinnamon> I'm downloading 16.04 as I had trusty :)           (32 bit)
[19:00] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: What did you think of my ubuntu/gamer idea ?
[19:01] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: i must have missed something?  ubunt/gamer? ... i just saw the blueray thing..
[19:01] <DaDaCinnamon> If you look at this website you'll see what can be put on it: https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
[19:02] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: Yes the disc has to be 100GB to fit all the games on.
[19:02] <DaDaCinnamon> I'm going to crowd fund it.
[19:03] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: the certifacte of that site expired yesterday
[19:05] <DaDaCinnamon> oh Ok, I shall tell them : https://web.archive.org/web/20160422024348/https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
[19:06] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: i guess, why not? :) i play mostly with blender, inkscape, gimp and audio software...
[19:06] <sakrecoer> :p
[19:06] <DaDaCinnamon> Also I want these on the disc: http://www.playdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/16.04/?category=Action
[19:06] <sakrecoer> although, i have relapses of red eclipse sessions, and also openTTD
[19:06] <DaDaCinnamon> Love openTTD.
[19:07] <DaDaCinnamon> Want openTTD on snap for Ubuntu Touch , so much !
[19:09] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: Not available at mo. https://uappexplorer.com/apps?q=openTTD&sort=relevance
[19:13] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: Where's the best place to put an online prtfolio ?
[19:14] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: good question... i host mine myself and use jekyll to build it.
[19:15] <sakrecoer> i would go for some content host that allows to have ones own URL
[19:15] <DaDaCinnamon> Nah, I was looking for a libre Deviant art or something .. but professional-like.
[19:15] <sakrecoer> maybe a PDF on archive.org?
[19:15] <DaDaCinnamon> yep, that'd work :)
[19:16] <sakrecoer> DaDaCinnamon: http://mediagoblin.org/ maybe?
[19:17] <DaDaCinnamon> I think you have to host that , but right lines.
[19:17] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: A/S/L ?
[19:18]  * DaDaCinnamon is 40, male, UK.
[19:19] <sakrecoer> hehe :)
[19:19]  * sakrecoer is shy...
[19:19] <DaDaCinnamon> fuck-it, no-one here anyways....
[19:19] <sakrecoer> haha! :)
[19:20]  * DaDaCinnamon thinks sakrecoer souds american :)
[19:20] <DaDaCinnamon> **sounds
[19:20] <sakrecoer> i'm hald swedish half swiss :)
[19:20] <DaDaCinnamon> ahh a mixture :)
[19:20] <sakrecoer> i would like to be a robot
[19:20] <sakrecoer> but i am a boy, although i'm 36
[19:20] <DaDaCinnamon> what kind ? a drone ?
[19:21] <DaDaCinnamon> I take it your a blond, then ?
[19:21] <sakrecoer> flower power dalek http://sakrecoer.com/ircstagram/image20160909_181130660.jpg
[19:21] <DaDaCinnamon> anyway .. this is getting to 'open' ..... moving along .....
[19:22] <sakrecoer> :) yes...
[19:22] <sakrecoer> that portfolio made me curious :)
[19:23] <DaDaCinnamon> Had a look - you can DJ, Yay !
[19:26] <sakrecoer> :)
[19:26] <sakrecoer> i did quite a bit when i lived in barcelona
[19:26] <sakrecoer> but i'm more of a producer
[19:27] <sakrecoer> i prefer playing grooveboxes than spinning records that is...
[19:33] <DaDaCinnamon> fair enough - I like 2XM.rte.ie
[19:33] <DaDaCinnamon> very chilled out.
[19:34] <DaDaCinnamon> I have to get something to eat .. back in 20 minutes ..
[19:35] <sakrecoer> o/
[20:02] <DaDaCinnamon> sakrecoer: Mmmm chicken .. only £1.50 for six cooked pieces !
[20:23] <DaDaCinnamon> Hiya dzragon
[20:23] <dzragon> DaDaCinnamon hi
[20:24] <dzragon> whatsup
[20:24] <DaDaCinnamon> not much - over at #bountysource
[20:24] <DaDaCinnamon> dzragon: you a dev or a user of Ubuntu studio ?
[20:25] <dzragon> alright, no just a hangaround, mostly use mint but got a few boxes with ubuntu aswell, and since im one one channel, why not more than one
[20:26] <DaDaCinnamon> dzragon: fair enough.
[20:26] <dzragon> my damn vietnam proxy keeps disconnecting me/lagging me out though, frequent reconnects :S
[20:26] <DaDaCinnamon> dzragon: you wanna hangout ?
[20:27] <dzragon> just the text is enough for me, like the borg i suck shit in and sift through it, if its good i assimilate it, if it stinks i throw it away :P
[20:27] <DaDaCinnamon> k
[20:27] <dzragon> so nvm :P but thanks anyway man, appreciate the offer
[20:27] <DaDaCinnamon> no worries.
[20:28] <DaDaCinnamon> what nvm ?
[20:28] <dzragon> i use irc like its google-on-irc
[20:28] <dzragon> nvm the hanging out bit i meant :P
[20:28] <DaDaCinnamon> What does it mean ?
[20:28] <dzragon> live google so to stpeak
[20:28] <dzragon> speak*
[20:29] <dzragon> nvm never mind
[20:29] <DaDaCinnamon> oh ok.
[20:29] <DaDaCinnamon> never heard that one.


[00:51] <nhaines> Social media is a thing that pleia2 does!  \o/
[00:54] <BirthdayHandler> ff/52
[00:54] <BirthdayHandler> Oops
[04:23] <BirthdayHandler> Probably worth updating the /topic (Aug 9 is long past). Also, can't wait until Wednesday :)
[04:25] <pleia2> I was going to change it... but I won't actually be around on sept 6th and the meeting wiki hasn't been updated so can't confirm it will occur
[04:26] <pleia2> BirthdayHandler: it seems a happy birthday is in order :) happy birthday!
[04:26] <nhaines> BirthdayHandler: Ooh, is that today?  Happy birthday.  :)
[04:27] <pleia2> also, much better nick than nha<tab><tab>
[04:27] <pleia2> (give or take a <tab>)
[04:27] <pleia2> :D
[04:28] <nhaines> Derailing tab-complete in some of the other Ubuntu channels was my specialty.  :D
[04:28] <pleia2> hehe
[04:28] <pleia2> it was always a challenge to be in the same channel as plars
[04:28] <pleia2> (we're both still in #ubuntu-release)
[04:29] <pleia2> elfy and elky was the worst though, sometimes they'd both be in #ubuntu-ops, sometimes they'd even talk to each other, I just gave up
[04:29] <pleia2> ECANNOTPARSE
[04:29] <nhaines> haha
[04:30] <BirthdayHandler> Thank you for the birthday wishes. I think at one point, I set a hilight on nhaines just to catch messages with failed tab completes
[04:30] <ianorlin> do we have an agenda for this meeting?
[04:31] <pleia2> doesn't look like the wiki page has been created yet
[04:31] <BirthdayHandler> Worth discussing the release party?
[04:31] <nhaines> If there are any, yes!
[04:31] <pleia2> yes, since I don't think any are planned yet
[04:31] <pleia2> I'll be airplaning during the meeting and in Japan at release time
[04:33] <nhaines> pleia2: 楽しそう！
[04:34] <pleia2> unable to parse
[04:34] <nhaines> How exciting!
[04:34] <pleia2> :D
[04:36] <pleia2> I saw an opposum in a tree
[04:39] <pleia2> ok, since east coast time zone this week, it's late, good night :)
[04:39] <nhaines> Good night!  :)
[04:41] <BirthdayHandler> Night pleia2


[01:01] <doctormo> pleia2: Thanks for sending the email
[01:09] <doctormo> OK that's potty
[01:10] <doctormo> The ULCP mailing list is asking me as a list admin to aprove my own email, which it's blocked, because it's a moderated list
[01:10] <pleia2> it shouldn't be
[01:10] <doctormo> And yet I don't have a password to admin the list..
[01:11] <pleia2> hrm, I need to unmod this then, I thought I did that...
[01:13] <pleia2> oh, just you and matt were moderated
[01:13] <pleia2> probably because you subbed before we unmoderated it
[02:56] <doctormo> Ah ok
[18:54] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: nice e-mail you sent to the team =)


[12:03] <Tonio_> hum.......
[12:04] <Lure> why would somebody strip last 8 characters of filename?
[12:04] <Tonio_> why ? "system:/" -> 8 digits
[12:05] <Lure> but at the end of string, not beginning
[12:05] <Tonio_> that to remove system:/ and reconstruct the real url
[12:05] <Tonio_> hum, ho yes, it is at the send...........;
[12:05] <Tonio_> the end
[12:05] <Lure> if you check beginning of the function, you see that directory + file are used
[12:06] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[12:06] <Lure> then I would expect that file does not contain "system:/" at all
[12:07] <Lure> I do not understand this system:/ completely anyway, but this is strange as hell
[12:07] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm sik of seeing kde changing working things to crappy ones........
[12:13] <Lure> OK, 8 char are stripped, as they append ".desktop" before calling createEntry (statByName
[12:13] <Lure> 0
[12:14] <Lure> but I am concerned if filename has always ".desktop" at the end
[12:16] <Tonio_> hum, I must say am lost now ;)
[12:16] <Tonio_> my knowledge in c++ is nearby 0 ;)
[12:16] <Lure> there are two callers of createEntry
[12:17] <Lure> listRoot() and statByName
[12:17] <Tonio_> okay....
[12:17] <Lure> in statByName, just before createEntry you can see that name is checked for ".desktop" at the end
[12:18] <Tonio_> yes
[12:18] <Lure> this is what gets truncated in createEntry
[12:18] <Tonio_> hum
[12:18] <Lure> what I am not sure if this may not be the case in listRoot, where we have problem
[12:18] <Lure> and some real name chars are stripped...
[12:18] <Tonio_> yes okay, but is thatthe problem is due to listroot ?
[12:19] <Tonio_> hum........ okay
[12:19] <Lure> (or string is made emty if shorter than 8 char)
[12:19] <Tonio_> in my case, the entry is /home/tonio
[12:19] <Tonio_> remove 8 chars, and you should get /ho
[12:19] <Tonio_> right ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> cause it prompts me that it can't find the root for file:///home
[12:21] <Tonio_> not ho
[12:21] <Tonio_> but well, I'm completly lost I must say :)
[12:21] <Lure> yes, but you do not get full path in, but only name part (symbolic)
[12:21] <Lure> like "remote", "media"....
[12:22] <Tonio_> true
[12:22] <Tonio_> Lure: if you can correct my patch, or make one better, I'd be pleased, cause I must say I can't follow you there :)
[12:22] <Tonio_> I'm not a developper
[12:22] <Tonio_> I managed to do that little patch more by chance than because I know :)
[12:23] <Lure> it is strange it works nicely in one view, but ot in sidebar...
[12:23] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, that's why I didn't suspect the problem :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Lure: it works nicely in kicker systemapplet too
[12:24] <Tonio_> which gives about the same than the sidebar
[12:25] <Lure> this is reallly strange!
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: yes ;)
[12:26] <Lure> Tonio_: you mean Kicker System Menu?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[12:26] <Tonio_> I originally patched for this
[12:26] <Tonio_> cause this is used by dafault in kubuntu
[12:30] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't how difficult it'll be to mee, but I have to find ;)
[12:30] <Tonio_> and if you can help, you're more than welcome :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> allee: kdissert uploaded
[12:31] <allee> Tonio_: thx
[12:31] <Lure> Tonio_: since system:/users/<name> works, maybe we should redirect there
[12:31] <Lure> instead of /home/<name>
[12:31] <Tonio_> Lure: no
[12:31] <allee> raphink: [Pkg-kde-extras]  digikam_0.8.1-4_i386.changes ACCEPTED
[12:31] <Tonio_> because this is the problem
[12:31] <raphink> allee: in debian?
[12:31] <allee> raphink: so tomorrow I can ask for a sync from debian
[12:32] <Tonio_> Lure: when  redirecting to system:/users/name
[12:32] <raphink> allee: great :)
[12:32] <allee> yes
[12:32] <Tonio_> you will have the same issue
[12:32] <raphink> I can sync it for you when it's accepted allee
[12:32] <Tonio_> files opening by copying to tmp
[12:32] <Lure> you mean with Kaffeine and similar?
[12:32] <raphink> Lure: yep
[12:33] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[12:33] <Tonio_> instead I would have let the original system:/home
[12:33] <raphink> Lure: kaffeine will kind of "download" the file to /tmp/
[12:33] <Tonio_> it does the job, but in an awfull way for the users ;)
[12:33] <Tonio_> raphink: not only kaffeine, but kate, and many other tools
[12:33] <raphink> Lure: so you get the download dialog and it takes more time to open
[12:33] <raphink> Tonio_: sure, just an example
[12:33] <allee> raphink: you mean from debian incoming queue?  Feel free ;)  latest in dapper is 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 so it's not clear from versionif it needs mergins
[12:34] <Riddell> q
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: bad news, my patch causes an issue........ we don't understand why
[12:34] <raphink> allee: no I mean that I can sync it as soon as it's approved
[12:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: the system/home stuff?
[12:35] <allee> so should I prepare a UVF bug report or replay to siretart mail of MOTU to ask for sync?
[12:35] <allee> s/replay/reply/
[12:36] <allee> raphink: ^^
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[12:36] <raphink> :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: works very nicelly, but if you open filemanagement profile and play with the "system" part of the sidebar, you will see....
[12:37] <Tonio_> I searched but didn't understood what causes the problem
[12:37] <Tonio_> it is a pain to read a language you don't understand :)
[12:37] <Tonio_> like providing grammar correction to a russian texte ^^
[12:38] <raphink> ;)
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will invertigate and find........ I want that to be clean for the release
[12:38] <raphink> Tonio_: you're not fluent in c++?
[12:39] <raphink> c++ : read, spoken, written
[12:40] <Tonio_> raphink: to compare, I would say my knowledge in C++ is the same level than my love for windows ME ;)
[12:40] <raphink> looool
[12:41] <Mez> hmm
[12:41] <raphink> Riddell: did you get my debdiff?
[12:41] <Mez> anyone here wanna test the latest copy of katapult ?
[12:42] <Lure> :n
[12:42] <Lure> (sorry that was supposed to be next file in vim ;-) )
[12:42] <Riddell> raphink: "Kopete MSN file transfer fix"?
[12:42] <raphink> yep Riddell
[12:42] <Riddell> Mez: sure
[12:43] <raphink> Riddell: I've found another bug with file transfer with MSN 8 now, but at least it works with MSN 7
[12:43] <Mez> Riddell: http://ubuntu.dev.sourceguru.net/katapult-uvf
[12:43] <raphink> these people from Redmond will get us crazy ;)
[12:45] <Mez> I'm too kind to our users
[12:45] <Riddell> http://kubuntu-live.blogspot.com/  nice :)
[12:47] <Riddell> Mez: that katapult starts up with a large blank icon
[12:47] <Riddell> oh, maybe that's my fault actually
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: we tried a blogger yesterday with raphink, but it is really slow and has ads on it... but that blog design is beautifull :)
[12:48] <Mez> Riddell: really ?
[12:48] <Mez> Riddell: your fault how ?
[12:48] <raphink> Riddell: wordpress is much better than blogger, and open-source
[12:48] <Riddell> Mez: my icons themes are messed up at the moment, it's probably just me
[12:48] <Mez> Riddell - lemme see
[12:50] <toma> setting up a kubuntu planet?
[12:51] <Riddell> toma: no, but there's an idea for an official kubuntu blog so when a kubuntu devel adds something cool it can be blogged about there
[12:51] <Riddell> and picked up on planet
[12:51] <toma> ah oki
[12:52] <toma> cool
[01:00] <Lure> Tonio_: have to sleep now - will look tommorow again after work
[01:00] <Lure> :q
[01:01] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks ;)
[01:18] <Mez> Riddell, it's just you
[01:18] <Mez> icon's there for me
[01:19] <Mez> hmm
[01:19] <Mez> who here uses kopete and katapult?
[01:21] <Mez> or konversation and katapult
[01:21] <Mez> or both and katapult ;)
[01:22] <Tonio_> Mez: everything is fine with me
[01:22] <Mez> Tonio_, ... ?
[01:22] <Tonio_> katapult works nicelly
[01:22] <Mez> ah - well we may have another version soon
[01:22] <Mez> with another plugin
[01:22] <Tonio_> Mez: suggestion
[01:23] <Tonio_> why isn't the "tab" managed, like in shell ?
[01:23] <Mez> Tonio_, cause well...
[01:23] <Mez> er...
[01:23] <Mez> it will be
[01:23] <Mez> 0.4 ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> that's my only regret with katapult actually
[01:23] <Mez> Tonio_, yeah I know :D
[01:24] <Mez> we're getting there though ;)
[01:24] <Mez> http://www.thekatapult.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Version_0.4
[01:24] <Mez> Tonio_, /query
[01:25] <Tonio_> Mez: there I am
[01:27] <raphink> Riddell: are you fine with kopete?
[01:37] <Tonio_> nite all
[01:52] <poningru> Riddell: can we get you a hackergotchi?
[03:05] <raphink> Tm_T: what are you building?
[03:05] <Tm_T> kicker and kdepim
[03:05] <raphink> ah
[03:05] <raphink> !
[03:05] <raphink> I'm building kdepim too
[03:06] <raphink> are you going to submit kdepim soon?
[03:06] <Tm_T> err, just compiling from svn to myself =)
[03:06] <raphink> ah ok
[03:06] <raphink> nm then
[03:06] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:06] <raphink> :p
[03:06] <raphink> I need kdepim to be rebuilt on top of fixed kdelibs
[03:07] <Tm_T> waiting Kopete 0.12 beta packages
[03:07] <raphink> so I'll have to request a build1 after I've released new kdelibs
[03:07] <raphink> kdepim is very long to build
[03:07] <Tm_T> nah
[03:07] <raphink> about 1 hour :(
[03:08] <Tm_T> atleast you don't do that daily =)
[03:08] <raphink> sure
[03:09] <Tm_T> I have been compiled amarok 3 times already today, it's 0409 here
[03:09] <crimsun> you really want to use ccache, then
[03:09] <Tm_T> what's that?
[03:09] <Tm_T> anyway, unsermake <3
[03:09] <crimsun> install it :)
[03:09] <raphink> :s :s :s
[03:11] <raphink> pbuilder gets an update from the apt servers before retriveing dependencies right?
[03:11] <raphink> :s
[03:11] <Tm_T> hmm, I'm wondering if that pbuilder is any usable to me
[03:11] <raphink> how do you mean Tm_T?
[03:12] <Tm_T> well, what it does?
[03:12] <raphink> it builds :)
[03:12] <Tm_T> build debian packages?
[03:12] <raphink> yep
[03:12] <raphink> using a minimal chroot
[03:12] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:12] <raphink> that is regenerated after each build
[03:12] <raphink> so you have a clean environment to build
[03:12] <raphink> basically
[03:12] <raphink> a package that builds in a pbuilder will build on any platform virtually
[03:12] <Tm_T> maybe I should use it when I build next Kopete packages
[03:12] <raphink> I mean on any comp with the same distro
[03:12] <raphink> Tm_T: its' recommended to test in a pbuilder
[03:13] <raphink> even to build in a pbuilder
[03:13] <raphink> to assure you don't create packages based on your local config
[03:13] <Tm_T> I have to do one extra package for it though
[03:13] <raphink> what is that?
[03:13] <Tm_T> ortp 0.71
[03:13] <Tm_T> for Kopete 0.12 jingle support
[03:14] <raphink> hmm
[03:14] <raphink> there's ortp2 in dapper
[03:14] <Tm_T> too new
[03:14] <raphink> couldn't jingle be ported to it?
[03:14] <raphink> ortp was removed from debian/ubuntu iirc
[03:14] <Tm_T> aye
[03:14] <raphink> so it would be weird to reintroduce it
[03:14] <Tm_T> indeed
[03:15] <raphink> why would jingle devs (i.e. Google ?) base their stuff on an obsolete lib
[03:15] <raphink> ?
[03:15] <Tm_T> no idea?
[03:15] <Tm_T> :p
[03:16] <raphink> don't get me wrong
[03:16] <raphink> I'm not against voice support in jabber for kopete ;)
[03:16] <Tm_T> I know
[03:16] <raphink> or for jabber in kopete either
[03:17] <Tm_T> and that jingle-supported kopete will prolly sit in separate repository for those who feel lucky ;)
[03:17] <raphink> haha
[03:17] <raphink> I know a guy who is trying to get jingle in dapper too, for psi-jingle
[03:17] <Tm_T> it's not enabled by default because it's so "untested"
[03:17] <raphink> you should talk to him
[03:17] <Tm_T> heh
[03:17] <raphink> I tried to package libjingle for dapper but missed ortp
[03:18] <Tm_T> actually Kopete's jingle support is based on psi's library =)
[03:18] <Tm_T> iirc
[03:18] <raphink> I tried to hack the lib depends in configure but it didn't work
[03:18] <raphink> lol
[03:18] <raphink> heh, never know ;)
[03:18] <Tm_T> yeah, libjingle doesn't compile or even configure any other ortp version than 0.71
[03:19] <raphink> yes
[03:19] <raphink> hmm
[03:19] <raphink> should check ortp history in debian/ubuntu
[03:19] <raphink> iirc it was removed but I'm not very very sure
[03:19] <Tm_T> ay ay, caramba!
[03:19] <raphink> anyway I think reintroducing it if it's the only way to have voice support in IM wouldn't be much of a problem
[03:20] <Tm_T> so hungry, so tired...
[03:20] <raphink> :(
[03:20] <raphink> I'm tired but not hungry
[03:20] <Tm_T> bah, fooood ->
[03:20] <raphink> I hate too much
[03:20] <Tm_T> I hate you too
[03:20] <Tm_T> glad we hate same person
[03:20] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:20] <Tm_T> -->>
[03:21] <raphink> hehe :p
[03:21] <raphink> :p :p
[03:21] <raphink> packages.debian.org is back
[03:21] <raphink> brand new, with a brand new red and blue css
[07:56] <Mez> ah shame it wasnt anything cool :D
[07:56] <Mez> fancy coding some stuff for katapult Hobbsee ?
[07:56] <Mez> crimsun - you're a silver supporter now ?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> haha - would i have the skills to?
[07:56] <Mez> is that like a silver surfer?
[07:56] <Mez> Hobbsee, I dunno
[07:56] <Mez> I dunno what your skills are
[07:56] <crimsun> Mez: I've been for ~2 years
[07:57] <Hobbsee> ask me in around 6 months lol
[07:57] <Mez> Hobbsee, just learning ?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> we discovered how to use cin and variables today hehe
[07:57] <Hobbsee> Mez: yeah
[07:57] <Mez> Hobbsee - hand in katapult as you're coursework ;)
[07:57] <Mez> lol
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:57] <Mez> (no - dont - it'd be sorta against GPL I think)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> automarker would pick it up anyway
[07:58] <Mez> Hobbsee, how so
[07:58] <Hobbsee> checks the .cpp against stuff from the net, and other people's assignments
[07:58] <Mez>  It'd be random if it know about katapult ;)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> true
[07:59] <Mez> you could always write a plugin as an assignment :-"
[07:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:59] <Mez> snidy way of getting people to code for it
[08:05] <Hobbsee> true
[09:57] <Riddell> raphink: not yet looked at kopete
[09:57] <Riddell> poningru: I have one (see launchpad)
[10:00] <Tonio_> hello
[10:08] <amu> Riddell: i cant send your /msg's :)
[10:09] <Riddell> doh
[10:09] <Riddell> now identified
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you fine with the latest konq settings in waiting or upoad k-d-s ?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I set that it has to auto search for new plugins and use artsdsp with them, to allow automatic recognition and working flash, java etc...
[10:28] <mornfall> hola
[10:28] <mornfall> i'm becoming slightly nervous -- no useful bug reports for adept since 1.90
[10:30] <mornfall> it doesn't crash for you people?
[10:32] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[10:32] <allee> Tonio_: pong!
[10:32] <Tonio_> allee: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117524 ;)
[10:32] <Tonio_> allee: I know you will take pleasure to vote for this :)
[10:33] <Tonio_> mornfall: quite stable for me, just one crasha few days ago
[10:35] <Tonio_> allee: I'm still wondering "why did they do that stupid thing", especially to something that was working about the perfection
[10:36] <allee> Tonio_: you're right. added my vote!
[10:37] <allee> Tonio_: about the why, I don't know.  Maybe JRe or ervin on #solid?
[10:38] <Tonio_> allee: well in fact I don't want to know the reason, it'll make me nervous I think ^^
[10:40] <allee> Tonio_: ah, that's the reason why you are not no cc list of the bug :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> allee: "no cc" ? sorry but I don't understand
[10:43] <mornfall> Tonio_: interesting
[10:43] <allee> Tonio_: you can add your e-mail to cc field of a bug report. then you receive all status changes or added comments of this bug
[10:44] <mornfall> well, i can do my own testing session
[10:44] <Tonio_> allee: I added a comment, that's enough ;)
[10:44] <mornfall> if i can't crash it, it'll be beta == final ;-)
[10:44] <Tonio_> mornfall: cool
[10:46] <mornfall> i get few breezy bugreports and some wishes
[10:46] <mornfall> last time there were crash reports was 1.89 i think
[10:55] <Tonio_> allee: I also voted, so I no need of cc to receive changes ;)
[11:38] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[12:44] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[01:04] <Hobbsee> hehe!  so my message to kubuntu-devel did work - it was just slow!
[01:06] <allee> CC meeting
[01:07] <Riddell> any kubuntu people up for anything at cc meeting?
[01:10] <allee> Riddell: me applying for membership
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll be there to support our allee ;)
[01:10] <allee> :)
[01:11] <allee> Hobbsee: don't laugh, please :)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> sorry...
[01:11] <allee> heh, heh :)
[01:12] <allee> Hobbsee: I like the CC members.  They also tend to be too late.  Like me usually :)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:16] <Riddell> ping me when allee is up
[01:16] <allee> 'k
[01:17] <freeflying> Riddell: I have something about ubuntu locoteam
[01:27] <Hobbsee> heh.  i see that what i said got ignored in the CC meeting
[01:28] <freeflying> Hobbsee: what
[01:29] <Hobbsee> freeflying: *shrugs* - they were talkign about ops, and people in australia, and i just mentioned that I could probably do it, and am in australia
[01:29] <freeflying> Hobbsee: pke Kamion
[01:29] <Hobbsee> pke?
[01:30] <freeflying> Hobbsee: poke
[01:30] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  :)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> ah :P
[01:37] <raphink> toma_: ping
[01:46] <Riddell> mornfall: is the "proprietry software" box in adept-installer for multiverse?
[01:46] <Riddell> I can't get e.g. acrobat to show up
[01:49] <mornfall> Riddell: yes (multiverse)
[01:49] <mornfall> anyhow, gotta run
[01:49] <mornfall> be back tonight
[01:50] <Riddell> I didn't have multiverse enabled in sources.list was the problem
[01:52] <raphink> the big patch doesn't fix the kontact bug :(
[01:52] <raphink> Riddell: had the look at kopete ?
[01:54] <ubijtsa2> andred: ping
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[02:16] <allee> Riddell, raphink, Tonio_, Hobbsee: allee is up  at CC
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:16] <raphink> allee: I'm there already ;)
[02:16] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ditto
[02:17] <freeflying> Hobbsee: congrats
[02:17] <Hobbsee> freeflying: thanks :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> doesnt really make sense for me not to be an op there, if i'm already on the other ones...
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ping?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> ah, good :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> congratulations allee
[02:30] <freeflying> kubuntu-team has oe more member now
[02:30] <Hobbsee> you can join kubuntu-team wihtout being part of ubuntu-team, you know
[02:30] <allee> yeah!  That was quick.  Not one question!   I like time pressure to finish a meeting :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:31] <Hobbsee> yeah, far less nerve wracking!
[02:31] <allee> freeflying: I'm already on kubuntu-team
[02:31] <Hobbsee> and no sorush20!
[02:31] <freeflying> allee: I mean ubuntu member,  :)
[02:34] <allee> raphink, Tonio_ freeflying and Hobbsee-not-here:  Thx for the gentle word and support!
[02:35] <raphink> allee: congrats :)
[02:35] <Tonio_> allee: that's the minimum we could be
[02:35] <Tonio_> allee: next step -> MOTU
[02:35] <freeflying> allee: -->MOTu
[02:36] <allee> I'll check MOTU requiremnet ... but first:
[02:36] <allee> bbl
[02:41] <andred> ubijtsa2: pong
[02:42] <ubijtsa2> andred: hi there.. you were the one with kopete yes? :)
[02:42] <andred> ubijtsa2: yes
[02:42] <ubijtsa2> is there a way to get it to stop popping up the requester about vcards ?
[02:43] <andred> ubijtsa2: huh? don't know what you mean
[02:43] <ubijtsa2> I might be able to make a screen-shot
[02:46] <ubijtsa2> one sec, got to stick it on a webpage
[02:46] <andred> ok
[02:48] <ubijtsa2> andred: http://lenin.trudheim.com/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Trudheim/MiscStuff
[02:49] <ubijtsa2> I get loads of them.. for some reason
[02:49] <raphink> toma_: the patch in kdelibs for kontact doesn't work
[02:49] <andred> ubijtsa2: ah. i don't know a solution but i read a bug report about it. one second...
[02:50] <ubijtsa2> andred: many thanks :)
[02:50] <andred> ubijtsa2: you might want to watch this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123216
[02:50] <ubijtsa2> looking
[02:51] <ubijtsa2> that's the one.. if a contact comes online, that requester pops up
[02:59] <ubijtsa2> andred: I wonder if it has something to do with the 'global profile'
[03:00] <andred> ubijtsa2: no idea, i don't have time to investigate further atm, sorry
[03:01] <ubijtsa2> np
[03:01] <ubijtsa2> just wondered if you knew :)
[03:08] <Tm_T> allee: YAY!
[03:08] <Riddell> I completely missed allee at CC :(
[03:08] <Riddell> but seems like he got in anyway :)
[03:08] <Tm_T> :)
[03:08] <allee> Tm_T: Thx
[03:09] <allee> Riddell: Long meeting and time pressure was on my side :)
[03:10] <Riddell> meeting is still going on I seee
[03:10] <allee> I expected some further question but there was none
[03:11] <crimsun> you'll get the grill when you apply for MOTU ;)
[03:11] <Tonio_> allee: wasn't necessary for sure :)
[03:11] <Tonio_> crimsun: hehe, possible indeed
[03:11] <allee> crimsun: sounds like fun :)
[03:19] <Tm_T> #1
[03:19] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:19] <Tm_T> bug #1
[03:19] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:19] <Tm_T> ah
[03:22] <amu> Its offical Windows boots on a macbook : http://www.mathcaddy.com/windowsxpbootsonamac%21%21%21%211/
[03:36] <tvo> hm I can't get kdeaddons to build here, anyone a clue? http://rafb.net/paste/results/FTHZm733.html
[03:46] <tvo> nm, removing unsermake seems to solve it
[03:46] <Riddell> tvo: do you have unsermake installed?
[03:46] <Riddell> ah :)
[03:46] <tvo> I had ;-)
[03:48] <tvo> Riddell: what's the preferred from you want a new googlebar patch in? debdiff on kdeaddons, just the patch, or something else?
[03:48] <tvo> s/from/form/
[03:49] <Riddell> debdiff or an edited version of the patch we current have are both good
[03:50] <tvo> and is it possible to add the offline icons of wikipedia, dmoz, etc. (default search engines) to the package?
[03:50] <tvo> (assuming they aren't in it yet, have to check..)
[03:51] <tvo> they aren't
[03:52] <Riddell> sure, if you do it, I don't have time just now
[03:54] <tvo> I'll see :-) seems it would require a new orig tarball (because of binary files) and that would require an UVF exception, right?
[03:54] <tvo> that's why I asked
[03:55] <Riddell> you can uuencode them
[03:55] <Riddell> see kdebase
[03:55] <tvo> ok
[04:31] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[04:35] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[04:35] <raphink> :)
[04:35] <raphink> Riddell: would you have some time for the kopete fix please ? :)
[04:37] <Riddell> is it urgent?
[04:40] <raphink> no :)
[04:57] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[04:58] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[04:58] <freeflying> Riddell: we now have a localised kubuntu livecd
[04:58] <freeflying> Riddell: based upon dapper
[04:59] <freeflying> Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn
[05:00] <freeflying> nite all
[06:25] <Riddell> mornfall: mark says adept is looking lovely
[06:26] <Riddell> mornfall: some smallish things he wants changed
[06:26] <Mez> Riddell: did you ge tmy email
[06:26] <Riddell> mornfall: also mvo was wondering if adept had non-interactive installation
[06:26] <Riddell> Mez: don't think so
[06:26] <Riddell> which one?
[06:27] <Mez> Regarding UVF for katapul;t
[06:27] <robotgeek> Riddell: did you get mdke's email regarding xincludes?
[06:28] <Riddell> robotgeek: yes I think so, haven't looked at it yet
[06:28] <robotgeek> Riddell: okay, cool. http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html bling with xsltproc
[06:29] <Riddell> oh, wonder why he used xsltproc
[06:29] <robotgeek> Riddell: so that we can have common build methods for all ubuntu documentation, atleast for web
[06:36] <Riddell> Mez: uploaded
[06:42] <jjesse_lunch> if you don't have an email from mkde then i forwared it on to you as well so it might come from me
[09:16] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[09:16] <allee> Tonio_: pong
[09:35] <mornfall> Riddell: interesting
[09:36] <mornfall> Riddell: i disagree about the splitter though
[09:36] <mornfall> Riddell: as for mvo, is that dapper+1 material?
[09:37] <mornfall> <-- no idea what ubuntu dist upgrader is either
[09:37] <mornfall> but don't count on doing much with konsole/python
[10:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: I just added that extra DPI config file option to guidance, BTW.
[10:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: very nice ;)
[10:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: will be able to change the xft_dpi on the fly so ?
[10:27] <_Sime> Tonio_: is happens only at login. There is no GUI for it.
[10:27] <Tonio_> allee: sorry for having gone away... raphink discussed with a kontact dev, and we have a patch for the contacts deleted on close ;)
[10:28] <Tonio_> _Sime: ah ok, but how were the dpi forced actually ?
[10:28] <allee> Tonio_: I've seen a new simple patch added to this bug.  Looks pretty simple this time :)
[10:29] <_Sime> Tonio_: The DPI is set during the login process.
[10:30] <Tonio_> allee: yes, 4 lines patch ;) raphink is gonna implement it
[10:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: okay, but (i'm a bit lost hehe), what did you just changed ? wasn't that already done ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> sory but I'm between 10 things and I must say I don't follow you ^^
[10:31] <Tonio_> DPIs are set for at least a month no ?
[10:31] <_Sime> Tonio_: DPIs have been set for about 2weeks in dapper.
[10:31] <allee> Tonio_: up to know:  dpi 75 - 110 -> Xft.dpi = 96; 110-140 -> Xftp.dpi = 120; > 140 -> Xft.dpi = <actaul resolution>
[10:32] <_Sime> yes, that is what happens.
[10:32] <allee> Tonio_: If someone with 139 dpi with like to use the true dpi, there was no way to configure it
[10:32] <allee> Tonio_: AFAIU _Sime, this is not fixed :)
[10:32] <_Sime> there is now the possibility to stop this behaviour.
[10:32] <Tonio_> ah okay ;)
[10:33] <Tonio_> sorry but my brain wasn't on that chan hehe, only mu hands :)
[10:33] <_Sime> you can now set it / or turn if off, by adding a line to ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc
[10:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: that's very nice ;)
[10:34] <_Sime> but there is no GUI for that option, but it is still there for those who _really_ want it.
[10:34] <Tonio_> _Sime: that cool :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> _Sime: just a little question cause I'm just playing with the "Display" guidance tool
[10:35] <Tonio_> is that normal that resolution doesn't work for me ?
[10:35] <_Sime> what do you mean?
[10:35] <Tonio_> I can't change the resolution
[10:35] <Tonio_> and the min/max doesn't feet my xorg settings
[10:37] <Tonio_> maybe that's know, I don't, know, I must I didn't follow the guidance developpment advancement those last weeks :)
[10:38] <_Sime> firstly, specify a decent monitor, click apply and maybe restart X, then see if that helps.
[10:38] <Tonio_> _Sime: the monitor in my xorg settings is the good one
[10:40] <Tonio_> _Sime: ah okay, that needs to be configured first !
[10:40] <_Sime> Tonio_: yeah, and it will write out a better xorg.conf file.
[10:42] <Tonio_> _Sime: that's nice
[10:43] <Tonio_> _Sime: if my screen isn't in the list, is there a way to add it ?
[10:43] <Tonio_> cause xorg detects the correct value by default, but I can't find it with guidance
[10:49] <_Sime> Tonio_: or choose a generic monitor that matches yours.
[10:51] <Tonio_> _Sime: I did, but while clicking the "test" button, I get an error message, but the xorg error isn't specified...
[10:51] <Tonio_> _Sime: apart from that, the GUI is nice, very simple
[10:56] <_Sime> Tonio_: it isn't strictly neccessary to test the config.
[10:57] <Tonio_> _Sime: I know, I'm testing to see what happens, but I don't managed to get the configuration written....
[10:58] <Tonio_> _Sime: new worg.conf isn't writtent when I apply changes
[10:59] <Tonio_> and even if I have the nvidia driver installed, I can't select it.
[11:00] <Tonio_> maybe that a problem on my config only, dunno ;)
[11:07] <_Sime> I'll have to test it on dapper with nvidia. ;-)
[11:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: if you run it from the shell using "kdesu displayconfig" are any error messages printed?
[11:18] <Tm_T> I contacted to debian maintainers about Kopete 0.12 packages, let's see if I get any answers
[11:24] <Tonio_> _Sime: testing
[11:27] <Tonio_> _Sime: http://pastebin.com/589837
[11:27] <Tonio_> here is the output....
[11:42] <_Sime> Tonio_: looks ok. are you sure that 'apply' didn't update /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[11:44] <Tonio_> _sime : -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10124 2006-03-07 23:43 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:44] <Tonio_> _Sime: certain ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> I can see it has been touch, but the content is untouched
[11:46] <_Sime> Tonio_: are there also xorg.conf.[0-9] + files in /etc/X11/ ?
[11:46] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes, from .1 to .4
[11:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: in fact I have now 4 monitor sections in xorg.conf
[11:47] <Tonio_> didn't look lower, parameters are writtent, but not replacing the actual ones, they are writtent after
[11:47] <_Sime> Tonio_: stuff it in the pastebin.
[11:47] <Tonio_> _Sime: sure
[11:48] <Tonio_> _Sime: http://pastebin.com/589884
[11:48] <Tonio_> here is the full worg.conf file
[11:48] <Tonio_> s/w/x
[11:50] <_Sime> looks like xorg.conf grows each time you update it...
[11:50] <Tonio_> _Sime: exactly
[11:50] <Tonio_> that's the reason parameters are never set
[11:50] <_Sime> AGP?
[11:51] <Tonio_> yes
[11:51] <Tonio_> _Sime: in fact I didn't look at the botom cause using VI and looked the same upper, sorry for the bad informations :)
[11:57] <_Sime> Tonio_: what is your email address?
[12:02] <Tonio_> _Sime: tonio@ubuntu.com