[02:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:10] <marcoagpinto> morning
[02:10] <marcoagpinto> :)
[02:10] <marcoagpinto> I still need to sleep
[02:10] <marcoagpinto> :p
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> try a cola :p
[02:13] <marcoagpinto> I have drunk a bottle at midnight
[02:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:14] <ducasse> good morning
[14:47] <wyoung> .o/
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> you can discuss about it here wyoung
[14:49] <wyoung> Sure, !discuss
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: i think what Maik was trying to tell you, is to be !helpful instead of joke reply a user
[14:49] <wyoung> I wasn't joking though
[14:49] <wyoung> I was being serious
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> but that wasnt really helpful was it
[14:50] <wyoung> If you found it funny then his question was probably stupid
[14:50] <wyoung> I am quite literal
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> we usualy try to be professional in #ubuntu and help the users with their issues
[14:53] <wyoung> Then why allow people to ask those sorts of questions in channel? If we are all professional then we would have outsourced it already if we didn't know the answer or research it
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: we have all kinds of users joining the support channel, both novice and experts, so we cant expect everybody to ask the same style
[14:54] <Maik> the reply was not helpful and serious in my eyes, just like the other reply you just told a user "A blu-ray app" and then nothing.... it's not serious at all.
[14:55] <Maik> not even constructive
[14:55] <Maik> i leave it at that
[14:56] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: novices are not prosfessionals
[14:56] <wyoung> professionals*
[14:57] <Maik> neither am i or you
[14:57] <wyoung> Maik: It is a correct answer though, it hopefully triggers them to give a follow up question
[14:57] <wyoung> Maik: 21 years here
[14:57] <wyoung> Of working with Ubuntu
[14:57] <wyoung> well, Debian
[14:57] <wyoung> then UBuntu
[14:58] <Maik> to me it's just being annoying with such replies
[14:58] <Maik> but again, let's leave it at that. i have better things to do.
[14:59] <wyoung> Maik: Good! emotions are important.
[23:45] <VMGuy23> is it just me or does the installer occasionally install with an incorrect uuid and make the new copy of Ubuntu boot to busybox?
[23:45] <VMGuy23> it happened to me the other day
[23:46] <VMGuy23> and also when installing Ubuntu mate bionic on the raspberry pi a long time ago
[23:47] <jeremy31> VMGuy23: must just be you
[23:49] <VMGuy23> yeah, i got very annoyed about it failing the other day because it then lost sight of the efi partition for some reason and i had to choose it manually, eventually just erased Ubuntu and reinstalled
[23:50] <VMGuy23> i was using the installer to reinstall, after a disk clone broke Ubuntu
[23:55] <jeremy31> VMGuy23: I have never had a clone break Ubuntu, it might be possible if both drives are connected at the same time
[23:56] <sarnold> VMGuy23: I don't recall anyone else mentioning it before
[23:56] <sarnold> VMGuy23: if you can repeat it, it might be worth a bug report
[23:57] <VMGuy23> it only happens rarely, but twice i have been greeted with (initramfs) after install
[23:58] <VMGuy23> and the disk cloner (i think) copied the contents of the partitions and recreated the partition table


[03:43] <Logan> Unit193: waddup
[07:56] <Unit193> Logan: Figure since hashid is new in Debian and not in Ubuntu yet, no harm in sync'ing.


[13:48] <mpt> cprov, do you have experience of whether <https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting> and <https://dev.launchpad.net/Running> are up to date?
[13:49] <cprov> mpt: for the simplest case (rocketfuel-get) it does
[13:50] <cprov> mpt: although, not using LXC or isolation will result in a very messy system config
[13:51] <cprov> mpt: codehosting setup/run instructions were tweaked this wiki
[14:04] <mpt> thanks cprov
[14:04] <cprov> mpt: my pleasure.


[02:26] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:15] <ducasse> good morning
[08:02] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[09:54] <guiverc> LOL @ free & open sauce daftykins
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> what did i miss, i also like sauce
[09:59] <guiverc> oerheks pasted, bashing-om asked question, oerheks mentioned linux games.. jeremy31 asked drinking games?, daftykins responded "beer pong is free and open sauce"  :)
[10:01]  * guiverc it was near a few hours before you joined  (~12 hrs ago)
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:59] <marcoagpinto> guys?! I noticed that 20.04 has some better GUI gadgets than Windows 10 :)
[10:59] <marcoagpinto> for example, the slide something gadget where you move the | has a colour in the left side
[10:59] <marcoagpinto> windows 10 has no colour there
[11:00] <oerheks> better than WSL2 ?¿
[11:00] <marcoagpinto> oerheks: what?
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> well, I have already reported several enhancement requests to Microsoft, but none were implemented
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> :(
[11:02] <marcoagpinto> it is like talking to a solid wall
[11:03] <marcoagpinto> but if I had the euromillions and paid to Microsoft, I am sure they would implement them
[11:03] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> give them a few cola's
[11:06] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:06] <marcoagpinto> how did you guess I am drinking it
[11:06] <marcoagpinto> ?
[14:03] <dear_jen> hi
[14:25] <dear_jen> is anybody here
[21:23] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 663 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue663 :D


[23:14] <boyet> hi all, i assembled a dirty script to run opened applications from my previous desktop session. it is two scripts. one is to run the apps that is listed from the previous session by the second script which i called save_session.sh.  https://pastebin.com/0TdQRMCa
[23:15] <boyet> i use wmctrl to get the previous open gui apps that i opened


[12:18] <jibel> no desktop today and alternate fails to install : system-config-printer-common : Depends: python-packagekit but it is not installable
[12:18] <jibel> submitting a bug
[12:27] <jibel> bug 819267
[12:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 819267 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Oneiric desktop image failed to build and alternate failed to install: system-config-printer-common : Depends: python-packagekit but it is not installable (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819267
[14:11] <skaet> jibel,  ack.
[14:28] <superm1> hey can an archive admin please help look at mythbuntu-lightdm-theme in NEW?  It is intended for a3. thx
[14:34] <jibel> skaet, a fixed for 819267 has been uploaded. we'll wait for unity components to be uploaded, built and published and we can respin the images.
[14:35] <jibel> skaet, that's something like in 3 hours.
[14:37] <skaet> jibel,  thanks for the update,  I'm tempted to trigger a respin before unity,  so we have a set of images and can narrow down any failures incase there is something else lurking.
[14:37] <skaet> NCommander, slangasek, ^^,  FYI.
[14:38] <stgraber> skaet: if you do, can you wait for ltsp and ldm to publish so I can at least validate that LTSP indeed works again?
[14:40] <skaet> stgraber,  sure,  if they're uploaded already.   what's the ETA?
[14:40] <seb128> skaet, respins will not work until system-config-printer is not upload, built and published
[14:41] <seb128> skaet, so you need to wait at least an hour (or 2 if till doesn't catch the next publisher run with his upload)
[14:41] <jibel> skaet, ETA for s-c-p is 16:00UTC at best
[14:42] <skaet> seb128, jibel,  thanks.   Thought it was uploaded,  ok,  will start a fresh set when those pieces are in place
[14:45] <skaet> seb128, njpatel, who's uploading the newest drop of unity?   what's the outlook on that?
[14:46] <njpatel> skaet, me and just testing the stack now and releasing
[14:46] <seb128> skaet, njpatel is supposed to roll the tarballs, didrocks to do the packaging
[14:46] <didrocks> (as usual I would say :))
[14:46] <skaet> :)  ok   just checking.  :)
[14:46] <seb128> yeah, we have no impacting holidays in those teams atm ;-)
[14:47] <stgraber> skaet: they've been uploaded 30min ago, so should be published soon
[14:48] <skaet> didrocks, njpatel - can you let me know before the unity upload happens.   Want to make sure we've got the images building again before we add unity to the mix.
[14:48] <njpatel> sure
[14:49] <didrocks> skaet: will do
[14:49] <jibel> skaet, any news from gilir about lubuntu ? there is still no alternate and most recent desktop image is a week old.
[14:53] <skaet> jibel,  no haven't heard an update.
[14:53] <skaet> gilir,  how is lubuntu looking?   are we going for alternates this time around?
[17:00] <ScottK> skaet: Could we get a respin of the Kubuntu live images?  They failed today, but I think the reason is fixed now.
[17:02] <skaet> ScottK,  kicked off now
[17:04] <didrocks> skaet: so, I have libunity-misc, nux, unity… but this ask for a rebuild of unity-2d, which fails right now
[17:06] <NCommander> didrocks: unity-2d is FTBFS or?
[17:06] <didrocks> NCommander: it will with the new release of unity
[17:06] <didrocks> as it deps on unity right now
[17:06] <skaet> didrocks,  please hold off on upload until all the pieces build,  we're still waiting to get working images.
[17:06] <didrocks> checking
[17:06] <didrocks> skaet: when the images will finish their rebuild?
[17:07] <ScottK> skaet: Thanks.
[17:07] <skaet> didrocks, I'm not seeing some pieces, yet, so probably a couple of hours.
[17:08] <didrocks> skaet: please keep me updated, it's getting late there (I'm always starting really early) :)
[17:08] <skaet> didrocks, will do once you've got all the pieces ready,  we'll make a decision.
[17:09] <NCommander> skaet: I'm looking into the livefs failure now
[17:10] <skaet> NCommander, thanks!  see comments from jibel on the bug 819267
[17:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 819267 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Oneiric desktop image failed to build and alternate failed to install: system-config-printer-common : Depends: python-packagekit but it is not installable (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819267
[17:10] <NCommander> stgraber: both ldm and ltsp are now published, can you see if LTSP is fixed?
[17:13] <stgraber> NCommander: I know the package works on an installed system. I need an ISO build to confirm that the d-i plugin works too
[17:14] <NCommander> stgraber: your next in the queue while kubuntu comes up
[17:15] <skaet> jibel, ^^
[17:15] <didrocks> skaet: dx failed to sync their API…
[17:15] <didrocks> skaet: I'm fixing their work, once again…
[17:16] <skaet> didrocks,  ack :P
[17:22] <NCommander> stgraber: alternates are building, you should have them in a bit
[17:22] <stgraber> NCommander: ok, thanks
[17:25] <jibel> didrocks, how long will it take ?
[17:26] <didrocks> jibel: well, building a new unity right now after reverting a commit
[17:31] <jibel> skaet, NCommander , if next build includes system-config-printer (1.3.5+20110801-0ubuntu1) and we have no news from didrocks before 1800UTC we can respin alternate and desktop.
[17:33] <didrocks> do a respin anyway
[17:33] <didrocks> nux needs to be built and published for unity to be built
[17:33] <jibel> didrocks, ack.
[17:34] <didrocks> then, unity needs to be built and published before unity-2d can be built
[17:34] <didrocks> so it will take 3 hours
[17:34] <didrocks> at least
[17:35] <skaet>  jibel,  Ncommander has started started rebuild of alternates that will include the system-config-printer  (1.3.5+20110801-0ubuntu1)
[17:35] <skaet> live to follow as well.
[17:35] <NCommander> alternate rebuild complete, its just publishing now. I just kicked the live build
[17:35] <jibel> skaet, ok thanks
[17:38] <NCommander> stgraber: hot images, get your nice hot alternate images: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/20110801.1/
[17:43] <slangasek> NCommander: should these be posted to the ISO tracker?  (And do you have access to post them there?)
[17:44] <NCommander> slangasek: I don't have access to the tracker, but at the moment, I think we're just trying ot make sure everything builds; we're not even in milestone freeze ATM
[17:44] <slangasek> fair enough
[17:48] <didrocks> NCommander: skaet: jibel: ok, all is fine now with the revert
[17:48] <didrocks> tell me when I can proceed the upload
[17:49] <skaet> NCommander, slangasek,  actually we announce soft freeze was supposed to be 1200 UTC today in last week's release meeting, but it probably should have been broadcast by u-d-a mail as well.
[17:49] <NCommander> didrocks: once this spin finishes, then unity shold be uploade
[17:49] <didrocks> NCommander: do you have an ETA? I would like to take some french air :)
[17:50] <didrocks> fresh*
[17:50] <skaet> :)
[17:51] <NCommander> didrocks: probably 30-40 minutes?
[17:51] <didrocks> NCommander: ok, enough time for me to run then
[18:22] <NCommander> didrocks: feel free to upload
[18:22] <NCommander> skaet: live images built
[18:25] <didrocks> NCommander: thanks, doing :)
[18:29] <skaet> ScottK,  kubuntu live images available as well.
[18:29] <ScottK> Just saw them.  They landed slightly oversized, so I'm going to see if I can fix that.
[18:30] <NCommander> skaet: just noticed that the ubuntu live images are oversized, taking a look at where they can take a diet
[18:30] <skaet> NCommander,  if you spot some low hanging fruit,  cool,  but they're pretty much expected to be oversized until beta.  lots of transitions going on.
[18:31] <NCommander> if they're expected to be oversize (and that's acceptable for A3), then that's foine
[18:31] <skaet> hiya gilir,  how are the lubuntu images - do you need a respin today as well?   Also, are we going to get alternates?
[18:32] <NCommander> skaet: the NBS list is scary
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Please don't break xubuntu images in all these fixes :)
[18:33]  * charlie-tca thinks "undersize and working, whew!"
[18:33] <skaet> NCommander - yeah,  inadvertent sync from Debian last week effect.
[18:34] <skaet> charlie-tca,  do you want me to post the current xubuntu daily images so the testing can start,  if these are working?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> I am checking to make sure first
[18:35] <skaet> charlie-tca, goodness.   Let me know what you want done.
[18:35] <skaet> ScottK,  similarily - if the Kubuntu ones, look reasonable,  I'll post.
[18:36] <gilir> skaet, yes, an update should be fine :) But I still don't know where to look at to see why lubuntu images are not updated since 25
[18:37] <NCommander> skaet: I'm attacking the uninstallability list at the mpment so we might have a chance at ARM images
[18:37] <skaet> slangasek,  can you help gilir ^^ ?
[18:38] <skaet> NCommander,  sounds good.
[18:38] <skaet> gilir,  ok,  I'll start of the builds and we'll see what happens.
[18:38] <gilir> skaet, thanks :)
[18:39] <ScottK> skaet: Is 700MB still considered oversize?
[18:39] <ScottK> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ says it is, but I thought we decided different.
[18:40] <skaet> ScottK, good question,  am not sure when the transition over was supposed to happen,  and the scripts are probably over due to be scrubbed.
[18:41] <ScottK> So I can consider 700MB OK for now?
[18:42] <skaet> ScottK,  ok by me, rest are showing up as oversized,  but I think its your call at this point until we get clarification from pitti.
[18:42] <NCommander> Sc	my understanding was still 700MiB
[18:42] <NCommander>  sorry, lap
[18:43]  * micahg thought it was 703.something
[18:43] <skaet> slangasek,  do you remember when we were supposed to go up to 703?  and what the preconditions were?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> skaet: we have a change to xubuntu-default-settings that went through to remove the Guest session from lightdm
[18:44] <micahg> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-great-cd-debate
[18:44] <charlie-tca> If we have to respin for anything, that should be in the respin, otherwise, I can just release note it
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Let's go ahead and put the images on the tracker as they are.
[18:45] <skaet> charlie-tca, will do.  we'll be respining a full set tonight to pick up the unity upload.
[18:45] <skaet> so you have some choice ;)
[18:46] <charlie-tca> That's pick up the change for me too then. No point running these
[18:46] <skaet> ok,  won't post then.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[18:46] <ScottK> skaet: Looks to me like slangasek investigated and 703.something is the actual limit.
[18:48] <skaet> ScottK,  hmm... trying to figure out why it still says: [vorlon] Further investigate feasibility of increasing CD limit to 703.125 MiB: TODO then.
[18:48] <ScottK> Agreed.
[18:48] <ScottK> Maybe he'll tell us.
[18:48]  * skaet nods
[18:50] <skaet> gilir,  slangasek,  lubuntu images appear to not be in the cron job - someone's edit last week must have have accidentally removed them.
[18:52] <slangasek> skaet, ScottK: I was still working on chasing down all possible reasons why we might want to stick with the lower limit; the trail is rather cold
[18:52] <slangasek> looking at lubuntu
[18:53] <ScottK> slangasek: So AFAYK, 703 is OK?
[18:54] <slangasek> skaet, gilir: I don't see lubuntu in the master crontab in bzr; what time of day was this scheduled for (or what time do we want it scheduled for)?
[18:54] <slangasek> ScottK: yes, AFAIK
[18:55] <ScottK> skaet: ^^^
[18:55] <skaet> slangasek, ScottK,  ack.
[18:55] <ScottK> skaet: I think we ought to go with 703 for Alpha 3 and see how it goes.
[18:58] <skaet> slangasek,  not sure when lubuntu was scheduled for by cjwatson originally.   go ahead and choose,  we'll adjust as needed after A3 is out.
[19:01] <skaet> slangasek, gilir,  have kicked off lubuntu daily-live build.
[19:08] <ScottK> skaet: Would you please do another Kubuntu live for i386 only in ~40 minutes (after the current publisher run finishes)?
[19:09] <NCommander> ScottK: I'll get it
[19:09] <slangasek> skaet: lubuntu builds added to the crontab
[19:10] <skaet> slangasek,  thank you.  :)
[19:10] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.  Actually I need amd64 too since amarok is out of date there.
[19:12] <gilir> skaet, slangasek, thanks :)
[19:33] <stgraber> I uploaded a new edubuntu-meta just now. It's not a requirement for alpha-3 (seeds haven't been changed, just a refresh) but if I wanted it uploaded so it might have a chance to get in anyway.
[19:41] <ScottK> We aren't actually frozen yet for Alpha 3, are we?
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> i was just about to ask the same question ;)
[19:44] <skaet> ScottK,  chriscoulson, Freeze was scheduled for 1200 UTC today,  however we haven't sent out announce yet.
[19:44] <ScottK> Why are we freezing early?
[19:45] <skaet> ScottK,  so much churn from the inadvertent debian import last week,  want to make sure we have a chance to get things fixed up again.
[19:46] <skaet> unity was also running late as well.
[19:46] <ScottK> That would mean the opposite of freezing to me.
[19:46] <ScottK> BTW, the python-dbus/python-qt4 fallout from the sync is fixed.
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> i guess now would be an inappropriate time to upload the latest firefox beta then ;)
[19:47] <skaet> Trying to ratchet down the rate of unexpected changes.
[19:47] <skaet> chrisccoulson, yes.
[19:47] <skaet> please hold off until after we get these images sorted.  ;0
[19:47] <skaet> :) even...
[19:48] <skaet> ScottK,  please go ahead and upload the python-dbus/python-qt4 fixes.  :)
[19:48] <ScottK> skaet: They are done and in the archive already.
[19:48] <skaet> ScottK,  great! :)
[19:54] <NCommander> ScottK: kubuntu respin kicked
[19:54] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[19:58] <stgraber> skaet, jibel: LTSP failed, quite likely due to transition to /run. Working on a fix now.
[19:58] <skaet> stgraber,  thanks!
[20:49] <skaet> ScottK,  kubuntu powerpc images failing to build.  Are you going to try for them this release?
[20:49] <skaet> s/release/milestone/
[20:58] <micahg> BTW, aisleriot is going to be broken in alpha3 (affects, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu)
[20:58] <NCommander> first set of iso images are in the tracker
[21:02] <skaet> micahg, is there a bug number?
[21:02] <micahg> bug 813428
[21:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 813428 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "[needs-packaging] aisleriot (affects: 1) (heat: 242)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813428
[21:03] <micahg> it used to be part of gnome-games
[21:03] <slangasek> huh, why is it a "broken" rather than "missing" then?
[21:04] <micahg> old binaries still exist :)
[21:04] <slangasek> ah
[21:10] <stgraber> skaet: uploaded the new ltsp. I did a quick test manually applying these changes and install worked here.
[21:10] <skaet> stgraber,  ok,  as soon as it publishes,  either myself or NCommander (depends who's around),  will kick off a rebuild to check.
[21:11] <stgraber> ok, thanks
[21:37] <superm1> skaet, i'll need to upload a new mythbuntu-meta yet once mythbuntu-lightdm-theme is out of NEW
[21:38] <superm1> and mythbuntu will need a respin after that
[21:38] <skaet> superm1,  ok,  just let me or NCommander know when its ready to spin.
[21:39] <superm1> ok, just waiting on an AA for now
[22:00] <micahg> NCommander: for future reference, you might want to update that first paragraph of the freeze e-mail to say something about seeded instead of main, the bottom of the e-mail already does
[22:46] <ScottK> skaet: Yes.  Still waiting for stuff to build (re powerpc)
[22:46] <ScottK> skaet: We're going to need to respin all the Kubuntu images for kdepim anyway.
[22:47] <skaet> ScottK,  ok, will mark them as for rebuild.   what is ETA on kdepim?
[22:47] <ScottK> skaet: Building now.
[22:57] <skaet> superm1,  kirkland will have a look at mytbuntu-lightdm-theme for us.
[23:14] <superm1> thanks kirkland
[23:14] <superm1> i'll get the meta uploaded shortly then
[23:15] <kirkland> superm1: np;  poke me again once the binaries are there too
[23:16] <superm1> kirkland, looks like they're there already :https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-lightdm-theme/0.7/+build/2661334
[23:16]  * skaet -> dinner,  will check back later tonight.
[23:19] <kirkland> superm1: done!
[23:58] <ScottK> skaet: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1 finished and through New is what we need.  I'll try and look in on it later tonight.


[07:39] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:47]  * jussi giggles at skaet's spelling: 2011-02-11 Ubuntu Release Meating Minutes
[07:58] <vish> jussi: ha! yea.. it got me confused about the spelling for a sec ;)
[08:00] <kim0> Morning
[08:01] <jussi> morning kim0, dholbach
[08:01] <kim0> jussi: hey there
[08:01] <dholbach> hey jussi
[08:34] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:34] <dpm> hey dholbach
[08:36] <dpm> I hate car repairs
[08:36] <dpm> I just came from the car repair shop, where I had to wait for an hour
[08:36] <dpm> just to leave the car there
[08:36] <dholbach> :-/
[08:36]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[08:37]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[08:37] <dpm> nevertheless,
[08:37] <dpm> good morning everyone!!!
[08:39] <kim0> dpm: good morning :)
[08:39]  * kim0 hates car repairs too
[08:39] <dpm> heya kim0 :)
[08:42] <nigelb> dpm: lesson learned -> use bikes :p
[08:43] <dpm> nigelb, I do use the bike and metro in the city, but when I'm driving ~500km away for the weekend, I prefer to arrive there in the same day :)
[08:50] <nigelb> dpm: haha
[08:50] <nigelb> dpm: :)
[08:50] <dpm> ;)
[10:22] <huats> morning
[10:33] <czajkowski> once again asia/oceana board couldn't meet without having a member fro another board to fill a 4th place. No sign of their members coming to meetings, is rather a poor sign
[10:49] <popey> :(
[10:52] <czajkowski> if their members can't come how do they expect people to want to sign up to their meetings to become Ubuntu members
[10:53] <nigelb> Its blocked at CC I think.  There was a renewed call for nominations.
[10:54] <nigelb> The nominations end on 25th I think
[10:54] <nigelb> So by March there should be new members on the board
[10:56]  * nigelb looks at popey for confirmation
[10:59] <head_victim> Is an IRC meeting essential or could something like that move to a moderated but still public mailing list?
[10:59] <czajkowski> head_victim: much longer and drawn out
[10:59] <czajkowski> head_victim: how do you decide when to vote
[10:59] <czajkowski> mails can get lost among other mails
[11:00] <head_victim> czajkowski: ah fair enough, I figured if we just put ourselves up on the wiki for a vote and the board members just review our wiki applications and +1, 0 or -1.
[11:00] <czajkowski> head_victim: would be easier to create a bug makr it private and then public
[11:00] <head_victim> But yeah, I haven't seen it working but just trying to see it from another angle (as a prospective member as well)
[11:00] <czajkowski> head_victim: the issue is if it's done on irc, you can ask questions based on comments mate
[11:01] <czajkowski> *made so a bit of interaction
[11:01] <head_victim> That sounds better.
[11:01] <czajkowski> aye so there is a method to the madness/
[11:02] <czajkowski> just be nice of this board could meet/work as it's frustraing
[11:02] <head_victim> I've just found arbitrary times can be a pain (I'm in AU and in summer we have 5 timezones just in our one country)
[11:02] <czajkowski> head_victim: right tz are a pain in the ass
[11:02] <czajkowski> but if you've only to turn up once... I think one can make an exception
[11:03] <head_victim> Yeah, just trying to brainstorm ideas
[11:03] <czajkowski> yup
[11:03] <czajkowski> ;)
[11:04] <head_victim> That and I've seen how one or two people turn up and get hassled and feel for them
[11:05] <czajkowski> what do you mean hassled?
[11:10] <head_victim> Well hassled probably is too strong a word but when quorum isn't reached obviously some people aren't happy
[11:11] <czajkowski> yup that is annoying alright.
[11:21] <head_victim> czajkowski: if you want a wiki error bug I reported bug 701495 which AlanBell confirmed and got marked a dupe of bug 668530
[11:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701495 in ubuntu-website "wiki.ubuntu.com 500 internal server error (dup-of: 668530)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701495
[11:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 668530 in ubuntu-website "Wiki - 500 Internal Server Error" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668530
[11:23] <czajkowski> head_victim: you can talk in -meeting too :)
[11:23] <czajkowski> head_victim: anyone can talk during the CC meeting
[11:23] <head_victim> AH wasn't sure on policy/proceedure so just used here sorry.
[11:23] <czajkowski> head_victim: don't be sorry at least you know now.
[11:23] <head_victim> Cheers
[11:24] <czajkowski> head_victim: popey and dholbach are on the CC I'm not. I'm just awake and reading the channel atm
[11:24] <dholbach> czajkowski, thanks a lot for that
[11:24] <head_victim> I like to lurk in -meeting, nice to see what others are up to
[11:24] <czajkowski> dholbach: np.
[11:24] <head_victim> And wikis are where I do most of my contributing so I know the 500 error pain
[11:24] <czajkowski> head_victim: yup good idea, just know you can talk in there as well, just careful which meeting as some of the platform ones are very organised and drill like
[11:25] <head_victim> Yeah, most of the time it's just scrollback, I try not to interfere too much but I actually had something useful for a change.
[11:42] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:43] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[11:49] <duanedesign> hello nigelb
[12:58] <mhall119> morning
[12:59] <Pendulum> hiya mhall119
[12:59] <mhall119> hi Pendulum
[13:12] <duanedesign> o/
[14:37] <JFo> cjohnston, \o/
[14:37] <JFo> :)
[14:41] <cjohnston> hey JFo
[14:44] <JFo> hey buddy
[14:45] <cjohnston> how goes?
[14:45] <cjohnston> Get to see you tonight it sounds like
[14:45] <JFo> yep, I'll be there
[14:45] <JFo> it's not bad. I just keep getting mired in bugs
[14:46] <cjohnston> Your the man... so thats why you get all the bugs
[14:47] <JFo> yeah right :)
[14:47] <jcastro> cjohnston: yo
[14:47] <jcastro> cjohnston: did you get a review on that form fix?
[14:48] <cjohnston> jcastro: we need info about the DB backend
[14:48] <jcastro> ok
[14:48] <cjohnston> trying to find Daviey
[14:48] <jcastro> Daviey: ping
[14:49] <cjohnston> jcastro: if we get the current trunk pushed live, then the form will go away, and then we will have time to work on the 3000 char
[14:50] <jcastro> well
[14:50] <jcastro> if we announce this week then we might as well just leave it open the one more day but fix the 3k thing
[14:50] <cjohnston> Noone told me we were gonna announce this week
[14:50] <jcastro> I was just told
[14:51] <cjohnston> lol
[14:51] <czajkowski> *grin*
[14:51] <jcastro> but no biggie
[14:51]  * czajkowski gives jcastro a large pint of beer
[14:51] <jcastro> I'm going to have to go and have<PHONE_NUMBER> people PM me to delete their application anyway
[14:52] <Daviey> jcastro, o/
[14:52] <Daviey> cjohnston, o/
[14:52] <cjohnston> there he is
[14:52] <jcastro> Daviey: we need a few fixes so we can go live
[14:52] <cjohnston> Daviey: we need info about the summit db..
[14:53] <Daviey> cjohnston, what info?
[14:53] <cjohnston> Daviey: does this need a migration: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/718794/+merge/49713
[14:54] <cjohnston> and/or should we change from a CharField to a TextField?
[14:56] <Daviey> looking
[14:57] <cjohnston> ty
[14:57] <Daviey> TextField would make more sense IMO
[14:58] <Daviey> cjohnston, seems to be academic anyway
[14:58] <Daviey> further_info text NOT NULL
[15:04] <cjohnston> is further_info a required field?
[15:07] <cjohnston> jcastro: ^
[15:07] <jcastro> ok so what does that mean in english?
[15:08] <jcastro> oh, do we need the field?
[15:08] <jcastro> yes
[15:08] <cjohnston> hmm.. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/
[15:08] <cjohnston> for some reason right now it doesnt exist
[15:08] <nigelb> so till now what we entered there went no where?
[15:09] <nigelb> how depressing
[15:09] <JFo> that was a feature
[15:09] <nigelb> lol
[15:09] <JFo> it is feel good computing
[15:09] <nigelb> btw, did anyone see http://www.nokiaplana.com/ ?
[15:10] <nigelb> there is now b,c,d,e,f,g...
[15:10] <jcastro> cjohnston: what do you mean doesn't exist?
[15:10] <nigelb> I like plan g.  Partner with ubuntu
[15:10] <nigelb> http://www.nokiaplang.com/
[15:10] <cjohnston> I see an "About you" field, but not a further info field..
[15:11] <Daviey> cjohnston, yeah, so a migration shouldn't be need
[15:11] <Daviey> ed
[15:12] <nigelb> I see a further_info in my db.
[15:12] <cjohnston> Right.. but look at the actual form nigelb
[15:13] <nigelb> cjohnston: you generall see that after clicking submit on the first form
[15:13] <nigelb> Plsae se above mentioned depression :P
[15:14] <cjohnston> Daviey: if it doesnt need one, and leaving a charfield is ok, then the merge is ready to be done and pushed live
[15:14] <nigelb> akgraner: Ok, those Murphy's law quotes are awesome.
[15:15] <Daviey> cjohnston, I don't have time right now to review... but if trunk is good to go, i could probably do a deployment today
[15:15] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^^
[15:16]  * nigelb bribes mhall119 to review his 2 branches
[15:16] <akgraner> nigelb, glad you liked them :-)
[15:16] <cjohnston> I'll be back in a bit.. time to go play on the ATVs
[15:16] <cjohnston> yay
[15:16] <cjohnston> akgraner: did you see the pictures from yesterday shooting?
[15:17] <akgraner> nope - I've been under a rock the last few weeks
[15:18] <akgraner> I'll look later - don't post the link here for me
[15:18] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:18] <cjohnston> Its on my FB akgraner
[15:18] <akgraner> I'll look later
[15:18] <akgraner> thanks
[15:19] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:19] <cjohnston> See you and your hubbs and JFo in a few hours!
[15:19] <JFo> :)
[15:19]  * mhall119 reads backlog
[15:20] <nigelb> mhall119: We should recruit JFo to do all the kicking we both owe cjohnston :-P
[15:20] <cjohnston> I didn't do it
[15:20] <JFo> heh
[15:20] <cjohnston> I'm off
[15:21] <nigelb> laters
[15:21] <nigelb> Sigh. Gotta set up LDAP.  I'm going to have a fun evening pulling my hair out.
[15:22] <mhall119> nigelb: I'm sure JFo would be happy to accomodate us
[15:22] <nigelb> \o/
[15:22] <JFo> :)
[15:23] <mhall119> Daviey: right now summit has CharFields with max_length=1000
[15:23] <mhall119> cjohnston's changes push that up to max_length=3000
[15:23] <mhall119> if those are varchar(1000) in the database, then we need a migration to convert them to varchar(3000)
[15:23] <mhall119> but if they're Text of CLOB fields, we don't
[15:24] <mhall119> so that was the question, what's the column definition in the production database
[15:27] <mhall119> oh nevermind, digging into the code gives me the answer
[15:28] <mhall119> the form uses CharField, but the model uses TextField
[15:28] <nigelb> I tried saying that earlier, but I didn't realzie what the problem was.
[15:29] <mhall119> nigelb: I have a question about your branch
[15:29] <nigelb> mhall119: yes?
[15:30] <mhall119> one second, let me finish with cjohnston's branch
[15:30] <nigelb> lets move to -locoteams?
[15:30] <mhall119> sure
[15:31] <dpm> I'm in #drupal, and they are constantly talking about a PHP function called dpm, so I'm constantly being pinged. I got the best on today, though "<atrofast> Nice, dpm is awesome"
[15:31] <dpm> not addressed to me though, but nice nevertheless :)
[15:32] <dpm> I think I'll stay on that channel
[15:32]  * czajkowski hugs dpm
[15:32]  * dpm hugs czajkowski :)
[15:37] <nigelb> dpm: haha.  You are awesome anyway :)
[15:46] <dpm> heh, I'm not sure :) I think anyway this assertion can be made about everyone on this channel
[15:51] <kim0> lol :) @dpm
[15:53] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:54] <dholbach> he jono! how are you doing?
[15:54] <jono> hey dholbach, good thanks! you?
[15:54] <dholbach> grrreat, thanks :)
[16:08] <doctormo> dholbach: Had your Frosties this morning?
[16:08] <dholbach> doctormo, yes, something like that :)
[16:09] <doctormo> dholbach: Go get em tiger.
[16:09] <dholbach> ROAR!
[16:11] <nigelb> heh
[16:15] <mhall119> lol
[16:15] <vish> hehe!
[16:23] <vish> anyone remember the name of the parental control program fagan was working on?
[16:27] <czajkowski> vish: is it on is lp page ?
[16:28] <vish> ah!
[16:28]  * vish goes looking..  :)
[16:28] <czajkowski> vish: or poke him in -ie wher he idles
[16:29] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[16:30] <jcastro> yo
[16:30] <vish> lol! is is called "Parental control" :) https://launchpad.net/parental-control
[16:30] <cjohnston> It's merged in and ready
[16:30] <jcastro> \o/
[16:30] <vish> czajkowski: thanks.. not sure where i had left my brain :)
[16:30] <jcastro> crap, got the RT handy?
[16:30] <czajkowski> vish: np
[16:31] <cjohnston> check your email :-P
[16:31] <cjohnston> one sec
[16:31] <czajkowski> I rarely see him online any more tbh
[16:31] <jcastro> cjohnston: lol duh
[16:31] <jcastro> it's sitting right on top
[16:31] <cjohnston> 16555
[16:35] <czajkowski> jcastro: please watch and rewatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ymILflac0 :D
[16:40] <doctormo> czajkowski: This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment. It is not available in your country.
[16:41] <cjohnston> what he said
[16:41] <czajkowski> oh now you know how I feel wiht most content.
[16:41] <czajkowski> how odd though
[16:41] <czajkowski> jounrye
[16:41] <czajkowski> *journey
[16:41] <czajkowski> propper version
[16:46] <vish> hehe! atleast someone blocks doctormo , that video is viewable from India ;p
[16:53] <dholbach> ok my friends - have a great rest of your day! see you tomorrow! HUGS!
[16:53] <cjohnston> bye dholbach !
[16:53] <dholbach> bye cjohnston
[16:56] <doctormo> vish: It's blocked in the USA
[16:57] <doctormo> I hate it when Indians blame me for their country's ISP blocking.
[16:57] <vish> ;p
[16:57] <vish> doctormo: seems our government doesnt trust you enough ;)
[16:58] <doctormo> Snot my IP-Address
[16:58] <doctormo> *Ew* I just read Miguel's most recent blog post, I think I need another shower.
[16:58] <doctormo> What is it about the smarmy git that just makes me want to punch him out.
[16:59] <doctormo> Thank got I know him well enough to know it's just high grade ignorance.
[16:59] <vish> doctormo: which one?
[17:00] <vish> the nokia landscape ?
[17:00] <doctormo> Oh the "mono" will be the programming language of the mobile world!
[17:00]  * vish reads..
[17:01] <jcastro> why does that make you want to punch him?
[17:01] <doctormo> jcastro: The way he words things I think.
[17:02] <doctormo> The dismembered personal morality doesn't help. The way he's always rooting for the over-dog, always the big guy should win and bully. Yea I don't like him much.
[17:02] <jcastro> lol ok
[17:03] <jcastro> you're not making any sense
[17:03] <popey> +2
[17:03] <doctormo> jcastro: Maybe you need to meet the guy.
[17:04] <jcastro> I've met him plenty of times
[17:04] <jcastro> cjohnston: ok try now
[17:05] <doctormo> jcastro: And he didn't call you names? I suspect you didn't really meet him ;-)
[17:05] <jcastro> ...
[17:05] <jcastro> I think you just hate the guy
[17:06] <popey> We (Ubuntu UK Podcast) have asked RMS for an interview.
[17:06] <popey> His demands:-
[17:06] <doctormo> jcastro: Absolutely.
[17:06] <popey> 1) we refer to GNU/Linux, not Linux
[17:06] <popey> 2) we refer to Free Software, not Open Source
[17:07] <popey> 3) He be allowed to criticise Ubuntu
[17:07] <popey> 4) We only release the show as Ogg, not mp3.
[17:07] <doctormo> popey: RMS is hilarious, but only from a distance.
[17:07] <popey> I am fine with 3) and am "meh" to 1) and 2), but 4) is just annoying.
[17:07] <vish>  popey: and what was decided.. ?
[17:08] <popey> we haven't yet
[17:08] <popey> hence why I brought it up
[17:08] <jcastro> popey: want to test summit real quick?
[17:08] <popey> might suggest to him that we release in Ogg format first, and mp3 later
[17:08] <popey> sure jcastro , link me up
[17:08] <doctormo> I'd solve 1) by not mentioning Linux at all, and demanding that Gnu or Linux not be mentioned.
[17:08] <jcastro> popey: ok let me delete your old one
[17:09] <jcastro> popey: http://summit.ubuntu.com and click sponsorships
[17:10] <dpm> calling it a day here, see you all tomorrow!
[17:11] <popey> i see nothing called "sonsorships"
[17:11] <popey> I see "Sponsorship"
[17:11] <popey> :)
[17:11] <jcastro> whatever
[17:11] <popey> bah, joke fail
[17:11] <popey> :)
[17:11] <jcastro> heh
[17:11] <popey> We are not currently accepting sponsorship applications for uds-o in Budapest, Hungary . Please check back again later!
[17:11] <jcastro> popey: I would look at it with deeper meaning, how is RMS ontopic to an ubuntu podcast?
[17:12] <popey> He's in the UK next month, figured he might be someone we could talk to
[17:12] <vish> popey: IMO, (4) isnt too bad /unless/ you have strong reasons for wanting a mp3 podcast … if mp3 is just there for convenience , just humor him, and think that the Ogg to mp3 conversion for that podcast failed :)
[17:12] <popey> we have talked to SUSE and Centos people
[17:12] <doctormo> jcastro: I can't imagine he would do much more than vent about Ubuntu proprietary bits.
[17:12] <popey> vish: at least 50% of our listeners download the MP4 version
[17:12] <popey> *MP3
[17:12] <popey> I would be alienating at least 50% of the audience by not providing an MP3 download
[17:13] <popey> jcastro: is that what you expected? the error message?
[17:13] <jcastro> yeah
[17:13] <popey> coolio
[17:13] <jcastro> however I wanted you to try the expanded form
[17:13] <popey> oh?
[17:13] <jcastro> but I am figuring out how to turn it on
[17:13] <jcastro> one moment
[17:13] <popey> ok
[17:14] <popey> +------------+
[17:14] <popey> |Standing By!|
[17:14] <popey> +------------+
[17:16] <jcastro> sorry one sec, getting flamed on the internet
[17:16] <popey> \o/
[17:16] <jcastro> popey: ok try now
[17:16] <jcastro> in the about you form
[17:16] <jcastro> paste a ton of crap
[17:16] <AlanBell> jcastro: http://www.xkcd.com/386/
[17:16] <jcastro> we upped the text from 1k to 3k
[17:17] <jcastro> so I want to test that bit
[17:17] <jcastro> popey: ^
[17:17] <popey> ok
[17:17] <jcastro> lemme know when you're done and I'll put it back in locked mode
[17:18] <popey> Ensure this value has at most 3000 characters (it has 18537).
[17:18] <popey> ^ jcastro
[17:19] <jcastro> ok
[17:19] <popey> which is a shame because i submitted something nice :(
[17:19] <jcastro> can you put in something over 1k?
[17:19] <doctormo> popey: War and peace?
[17:19] <jcastro> and see if it works?
[17:19] <jcastro> or try to bring it under 3k
[17:19] <popey> ok
[17:19] <popey>  ______________________
[17:19] <popey> < Jorge For President! >
[17:19] <popey>  ----------------------
[17:19] <popey>         \   ^__^
[17:19] <popey>          \  (oo)\_______
[17:19] <popey>             (__)\       )\/\
[17:19] <popey>                 ||----w |
[17:19] <popey>                 ||     ||
[17:19] <popey> :)
[17:20] <vish> $apt-get jorge
[17:20] <popey> done
[17:20] <jcastro> ok
[17:20] <popey> "We'll let you know whether or not your request has been accepted soon via email.
[17:20] <popey> "
[17:20] <jcastro> rock
[17:20] <jcastro> ok all set
[17:20] <popey> (that doesn't normally happen does it) ?
[17:21] <jcastro> thanks dude
[17:21] <popey> i.e. usually you only find out if you are sponsored?
[17:21] <popey> unless something has changed
[17:21] <jcastro> you find out both
[17:21] <popey> ok, cool
[17:21] <Technoviking> If we get Jorge for President, Daviey need to be made a duke of something:)
[17:21] <popey> Duke of Egg Consumption.
[17:21] <Pendulum> I was going to say Duke of Cadbury
[17:22] <maco> s/Cadbury/Kraft/
[17:22] <maco> :(
[17:25] <vish> popey: but that 50% could be because you have 2 options and a 50% split is not an obvious decider(without me knowing other info) .. its not necessary that /not/ having mp3 would prevent users from downloading the Ogg version.. audience might try to listen to the Ogg one.. has there been a drop in audience when mp3 was not available?
[17:25] <vish> eitherway you would have an audience spike for an RMS interview and the loss of audience might be negligible :)
[17:26] <popey> long and short is
[17:26] <popey> we are _not_ stopping having mp3 downloads
[17:26] <popey> end of :)
[17:27] <vish> :)
[17:27] <popey> we get a _lot_ of downloads from iTunes / iPhones
[17:27] <popey> and they absolutely cannot download/play Oggs
[17:27] <popey> I am not about to inconvenience half the audience - who have already embraced non-free software.
[17:27] <popey> anyway, now, pub!
[17:36] <AlanBell> popey: presumably the interview would be a segment, not the full hour+ of banter
[17:36] <AlanBell> so edit it out of the MP3 version
[17:36] <AlanBell> and replace with 10 minutes of chicken noises
[17:37] <jcastro> he's probably pubbed by now
[17:37] <jcastro> I would be
[17:37] <AlanBell> he has scrollback
[17:37] <doctormo> AlanBell: Knowing popey, he might just do that.
[17:38] <AlanBell> popey: pop round with the outside broadcast unit and interview my chickens with the same set of questions timed at the same intervals as the ogg version :)
[17:41] <jono> mhall119, hey
[17:42] <mhall119> hey jono
[17:42] <jono> you have hacked on the LoCo Directory before, right?
[17:42] <mhall119> once or twice ;)
[17:42] <jono> mhall119, how often does it sync which teams you are in with LP?
[17:42] <jono> I just got reapproved for the us-ca team and when I try to add an event it assumes it is for ubuntu-uk and doesn't ask me which team
[17:42] <mhall119> every time you log in, it (should) get the list of teams you're member of from the OpenID response
[17:43] <jono> before it asked which team the event was for
[17:43] <mhall119> but the that comes from SSO
[17:43] <mhall119> SSO and LP have some hacked syncing going on for team memberships
[17:43] <mhall119> I don't know how often that happens
[17:43] <jono> ahhh I will relog in
[17:43] <jono> ahhh I think this will work
[17:44] <jono> now it works
[17:44] <mhall119> cool
[17:44] <jono> cool, I will file a bug about this
[17:44] <mhall119> ok
[18:12] <jono> mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/719472
[18:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 719472 in loco-directory "Teams associated with a user are not synced while logged in" [Undecided,New]
[18:12] <jono> :-)
[18:23] <jcastro> jono: ping
[18:27] <jono> jcastro, yo
[18:28] <czajkowski> 18:10 [freenode] -!- WALLOP Md:  sorry for the noise, one of our sponsors just  had unexpected networking troubles
[18:31] <Pici> czajkowski: thanks for the heads up.
[18:31] <Pici> (I was stuck unidentified and not +w)
[18:31] <czajkowski> if you had wallops on you'd see them
[18:31] <czajkowski> poeple should turn on +w
[18:33] <Pici> I know, irssi was freaking out and +w didn't get set for some reason.
[18:33] <doctormo> mhall119: I didn't think we did get a response like that in the sign-on
[18:34]  * AlanBell wonders how to turn on +w
[18:34] <doctormo> The code I got from the loco directory just contained nicknames and names, no email adrs or any other data.
[18:34] <Pici> AlanBell: depends on client: /mode AlanBell +w   or /umode +w
[18:34] <AlanBell> ok, that seems to have done it
[18:36] <AlanBell> so now I should get wallop messages in every channel window when they happen?
[18:39] <AlanBell> jcastro: on Friday 25th on the fridge you have added "Unity Developer Q+A on #ayatana"
[18:39] <AlanBell> is that in -meeting or in -classroom?
[18:40]  * AlanBell slaps head
[18:40] <AlanBell> in #ayatana I assume
[18:41] <AlanBell> why is #ayatana not #ubuntu-ayatana?
[18:42]  * Pici shrugs
[18:47] <tsimpson> probably because it's a canonical thing, rather than an ubuntu specific thing
[18:50] <maco> AlanBell: usually status window i think
[18:51] <doctormo> tsimpson: I'm not so sure, ayatana might be Canonical, but unity?
[18:51] <doctormo> If unity is Canonical, then what's left for the Ubuntu community to get involved with?
[18:51] <doctormo> Because the contributors agreement is making it harder and harder to contribute as it is.
[18:52] <tsimpson> who knows...
[18:55] <AlanBell> maco: I have joins and parts from 60 other channels in there
[19:00] <jcastro> AlanBell: I want it in #ayatana because that's where we want developers hanging out to ask questions anyway
[19:00] <jcastro> and it'll be a regular thing in there
[19:01] <AlanBell> cool, so I can have -meeting
[19:01] <jcastro> for sure
[19:20] <mhall119> doctormo: what do you mean we don't get a response liket that from sso?
[19:59] <JFo> check it out: http://akgraner.com/?p=887 Open Source Community Cookbook
[20:00] <JFo> what a great idea akgraner
[20:00] <JFo> oh she is away
[20:00] <JFo> nm :-)
[20:00] <JFo> but seriously, add your goodies there ^^
[20:01] <maco> nice
[20:02] <maco> though anything i make from a recipe, the recipe came from elsewhere. and anything else i make, i don't measure so wouldn't know what the recipe is
[20:03] <JFo> same for me, but I am going to guesstimate
[20:03] <JFo> :)
[20:03] <JFo> I think, (at least my plan) is to test recipes :-D
[20:04] <maco> i'll send in my grandma's lady lock recipe
[20:04] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/category/recipes/
[20:04] <AlanBell> akgraner: ^^
[20:04] <maco> and i think this gives me reason to finally get around to figuring out the vegan equivalent to hers....
[20:05] <maco> (though i'll need to buy some dowels...wonder where you get those...)
[20:08] <czajkowski> 20:06 [freenode] -Martinp23(martinp23@freenode/staff/wikimedia.martinp23)-  [Global Notice] Hi everyone. You will have possibly noticed some  instability on the network earlier this evening. The network is under  a sustained DDoS and so lag and possible further splits are to be  expected. We apologise for the inconvenience - our fantastic
[20:08] <czajkowski>  sponsorship andinfra teams are working to minimise the furthear  impact. Have a nice evening!
[20:12] <maco> akgraner: can you form get bigger textboxes? can't put paragraphs or numbered directions in the instruction part because it's only one line
[20:22] <mhall119> akgraner: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/cookbook <- I made this for one of my Django classes
[20:54] <daker> i can't find xapian-core on maverick :s
[21:04] <czajkowski> jono: you coming in for loco council meeting
[21:12] <jono> czajkowski, I am on a call at the moment, will join soon
[21:12] <jono> I might need to bump the discussion until next week
[21:12] <czajkowski> ok
[21:13] <czajkowski> we're on it anways atm
[21:15] <czajkowski> anyone following http://twitter.com/#!/nearyd
[21:21] <jcastro> I am
[21:22] <czajkowski> whats he on about banshee now ?
[21:22] <jcastro> dunno, he lost me with the multiple tweets
[21:30] <czajkowski> pleia2: pretty flowers!
[21:32] <pleia2> czajkowski: thanks :) hooray for mjoseph!
[21:32] <czajkowski> awww
[21:32] <czajkowski> sweet
[21:40] <pleia2> popey: looks like wiki emails have started
[21:40] <popey> hahaha
[21:40] <popey> epic epic fail
[21:41] <popey> i love gmail
[21:41]  * pleia2 quickly adjusts filter to skip inbox
[21:42] <popey> i am going to verify all the sender verify mails
[21:42] <pleia2> cool, thanks
[21:42] <popey> even though I HATE sender verification with a PASSION
[21:42] <pleia2> yeah, same
[21:50] <jcastro> jono: are you on lunch?
[21:50] <pleia2> popey: think we should post this to ubuntu-news-team and get it posted to the fridge? (I'll trim off the "you're a wiki contributor" intro
[21:50] <popey> yes
[21:50] <popey> totally
[21:50] <pleia2> ok, doing so now
[21:50] <popey> magic
[21:54] <jcastro> anyone know how to make it so when you paste it does plaintext into wp instead of formatted?
[21:55] <popey> click HTML above the post
[21:55] <popey> before you post
[21:55] <jono> jcastro, nope
[21:55] <jono> was on a call
[21:55] <jcastro> jono: k, wanna do our review soonish?
[21:56] <jono> jcastro, sure, lets do it now
[21:56] <jcastro> sure
[21:56] <jono> jcastro, give me two ticks while I make a coffee
[21:57] <jcastro> no worries, I need pop anyway
[21:57] <jono> jcastro, today has been a hell of a day :-)
[21:57] <jcastro> I need whiskey
[21:57] <jcastro> and beer
[21:57] <popey> \o/ beer
[21:57] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[21:59] <pleia2> http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/02/15/ubuntu-wiki-to-be-re-licensed-to-cc-by-sa/ \o/
[22:00] <jcastro> hehe
[22:00] <jcastro> about time
[22:00] <jcastro> so we can move the content we care OFF OF IT!
[22:00] <jcastro> :)
[22:00] <pleia2> hehe, poor overworked wiki
[22:01] <czajkowski> watch it get 500 error messages now when folks try and start to edit it
[22:01] <czajkowski> poof collapse
[22:02] <AlanBell> is RT 42264 OK or should an additional one be raised?
[22:03] <AlanBell> it is not visible to ubuntu/ubuntu but we believe it relates to the wiki upgrade
[22:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: it was brought up at the CC today
[22:04] <czajkowski> bug number on lp is what they are following up on
[22:06] <AlanBell> yes, that is what I have been chasing for ages, but I don't think bugs can be assigned to IS
[22:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can do if you poke the CC it seems
[22:07] <czajkowski> or at least chase up on it
[22:11] <AlanBell> yeah, just reading through that, seems dholbach picked up the action
[22:22] <popey> nope, I did
[22:22] <popey> I have mailed IS about it
[22:27] <AlanBell> respectfully, nicely and with the right words I hope
[22:27] <popey> :)
[22:28] <czajkowski> finding the right person in IS to talk to helps
[22:28] <czajkowski> if you don't you end up chasing your tail
[22:28] <popey> AlanBell: yhm
[22:28] <AlanBell> (I am quoting popey back at him from the logs for those who miss context)
[22:28] <czajkowski> but tehy are helpful, just launchpad admins are sooooooo frigging helpful and bend over back wards to help
[22:31]  * AlanBell has no mail
[22:34] <popey> your gmail account
[22:40] <AlanBell> gosh, I have one of those :)
[22:41] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:41] <popey> np


[00:18] <jailbreak> How can I grep this file/command? mdgpu-pci-0800
[00:18] <jailbreak> How can I grep this file/command? amdgpu-pci-0800 ** typo sorry.
[00:54] <jailbreak> sudo grep -c 'temp1_input' /sys/class/drm/card1/device/hwmon/hwmon2/temp1_input is outputting 0 when it should be 48. Any ideas as to why?
[00:56] <ravage> because the output of /sys/class/drm/card1/device/hwmon/hwmon2/temp1_input probably is not temp1_input
[00:56] <ravage> so the count is 0
[00:57] <jailbreak> It's my GPU temp. Trying to grep it so I can add it to conky...
[00:57] <ravage> then why would you count matches?
[00:58] <jailbreak> ? I'm just trying to figure it out.
[00:58] <ravage> see the manpage what -c is
[00:58] <ravage> it is not what you want
[00:59] <jailbreak> Then *what* do I want??
[00:59] <ravage> probably just "cat /sys/class/drm/card1/device/hwmon/hwmon2/temp1_input"
[01:02] <jailbreak> ravage: nope. I need to use it like this: ${color0}${voffset 5}SSD: ${alignr}${execi 5 sensors | grep Composite: | cut -c 16-19}°C
[01:03] <jailbreak> Hence me looking for grep...
[01:05] <jailbreak> grep | /sys/class/drm/card1/device/hwmon/hwmon2/temp1_input nope./
[01:06] <EriC^^> jailbreak: can you show a sample output of temp1_input
[01:06] <EriC^^> !paste
[01:08] <jailbreak> EriC^^: http://paste.debian.net/1295019/
[01:08] <jailbreak> That's the temp of my GPU; which I want to add to conky
[01:09] <oerheks> longest tread on the forum https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2348
[01:09] <jailbreak> This also: EriC^^ http://paste.debian.net/1295020/
[01:10] <EriC^^> jailbreak: why dont you get it from the 'sensors' output?
[01:10] <jailbreak> How?
[01:10] <EriC^^> try 'sensors' see the output
[01:10] <EriC^^> you might need to install lm-sensors
[01:11] <jailbreak> I've tried. amdgpu-pci-0800 and underneath it says the temp.  XD
[01:53] <Thedemon007> XD a dev i think is he: https://github.com/stgraber
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> webchat44, Thedemon007: This discussion is completely offtopic here. We do not support or discuss adding kernels from outside the Ubuntu repositories here. That is completely unsupported.
[01:56] <rabbitnightmare> how long does it take to change some text?
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: Everything is done, but everything has to undergo testing. By policy, nothing gets released on a Friday or on the weekend. I doubt anything will happen until Monday. If you absolutely need it, the legacy .iso image is available.
[01:57] <rabbitnightmare> that is absolutely retarded and putting my videos behind
[01:58] <rabbitnightmare> I need to record it so I can start editing by saturday
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: You have come in here guns blazing every time you come in here. You do not get to demand stuff from the community or the developers for something you get for free. You are constantly violating the Code of Conduct and allegedly that has been for the past 15 years.
[01:58] <rabbitnightmare> I do when I donate a grand a month
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> !ops | rabbitnightmare Code of Conduct violations
[01:59] <rabbitnightmare> you need to calm down dude
[01:59] <webchat44> Dumb question, what is the difference of the normal desktop image against the legacy.iso for ubintu 23.10?
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: Actually, you do.  That's not the way it works.
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> webchat44: The installer.
[02:00] <Thedemon007> webchat44 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/mantic/amd64/linux-image-generic/<IP_ADDRESS>.11
[02:00] <webchat44> Just the installer, nothing else .-.?
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> webchat44: Yep, that's it.
[02:01] <webchat44> Alright, thanks
[02:02] <rabbitnightmare> Eickmeyer that is how the world works, you pay for something, you get to make certain demands. It's nothing personal and nothing for YOU to get your panties in a bunch over when people expect you to stick to the schedule that you promise.
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: Not for something that is community made that you would otherwise get for free.
[02:03] <rabbitnightmare> it is certainly NOT a community distro
[02:03] <rabbitnightmare> this is a commercial distro
[02:03] <rabbitnightmare> smh
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> It is, with Canonical as the primary sponsor and contributor.
[02:03] <rabbitnightmare> you wanna claim community move to debian
[02:03] <Eickmeyer> How do I know? Well, I'm a developer.
[02:04] <el> then pay for commercial support, this is not a commercial support option.
[02:04] <rabbitnightmare> Eickmeyer and I thank you for your hard work
[02:04] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: But you don't pay me.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: If you want commercial support, pay for the commercial support option. This chat is not commercial support.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> (as eloquently stated by el)
[02:06] <rabbitnightmare> well I wont be moving forward for a few months, if changing a few lines of text puts things behind by 96 hours, it just goes to show how little you care about your product
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> rabbitnightmare: Again, this is community support, I'm a community contributing developer.
[02:07] <rabbitnightmare> you still get paid
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> No, I do not.
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> I do not work for Canonical.
[02:07] <rabbitnightmare> then you are not an Ubuntu dev
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> Yes, I am.
[02:07] <rabbitnightmare> then you would be getting money from canonical
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> You clearly have no idea how it works.
[02:08] <rbox> developers developers developers
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> Not all Ubuntu developers are Canonical employees. That's not how it works.
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> rbox: That's not helpful (I don't want to tell you again)
[02:09] <rabbitnightmare> I know for a fact that they "gift" contributers
[02:09] <rabbitnightmare> I can see the money trail
[02:09] <rabbitnightmare> they are very transparent with the donation line
[02:09] <Eickmeyer> No, not at all. So please, stop talking about what you don't know.
[02:10] <Eickmeyer> el? Can we get this Code of Conduct and guideline-violating person out of here?
[02:10] <el> rabbitnightmare: please stop cycling through the various distros on this network and treating _volunteers_ or paid employees for that matter as your personal property to harass.
[02:10] <rabbitnightmare> I am going to have to make a few phone calls
[02:10] <rabbitnightmare> thats not right
[02:11] <el> uh huh. please leave now.
[02:13] <Thedemon007> webchat44 you solve you problem?
[02:14] <webchat44> Im building the kernel from source code myself, if that does not work I will swap into 23.10
[02:14] <openface> cool
[02:14] <openface> if not works snap it to 23.10 ;)
[02:15] <webchat44> I rather .04 specially bc its for my workstation so I rather stability over edge updates
[02:16] <Thedemon007> webchat44 maybe you can download .debs kernel files from 23.10 here are one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/mantic/amd64/linux-image-generic/<IP_ADDRESS>.11 but i think are necessary 3 .deb
[02:16] <openface> of course rather a stability is reason to use so then edge updates
[02:17] <openface> lol
[02:58] <AKX> webchat44: I have already reported on the Mainline Kernel PPA going dead.  In fact, it seems like the whole reference upstream GIT source tree at https://kernel.ubuntu.org/ is also missing.
[03:01] <AKX> webchat44: There is an ongoing discussion in #ubuntu-kernel Channel.
[04:00] <stuffnthings> has the kernel ppa been ended?
[04:01] <stuffnthings> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ is gone
[04:01] <realivanjx> im about to enable ufw on my ubuntu 22.04 server. the question is will it play well with docker?
[04:01] <realivanjx> or should i just stick with iptables
[04:32] <AKX> stuffnthings:  It appears so.  We have an open discussion/issue/info request open in Channel #ubuntu-kernel.
[04:36] <stuffnthings> AKX: oh ok, thanks for the info
[04:39] <AKX> realivanjx: As a general principal, the less "stuff" you have in the network chain, the better...  Adding UFW on top of iptables adds more "stuff" to the network chain, and also introduces additional processor (CPU) overhead.  On very-heavily loaded servers, the impact may be noticeable.
[04:40] <rbox> ufw isn't ontop
[04:40] <rbox> it just generates iptables rules
[05:25] <Thedemon007> i try boot with mantic kernel but graphics no workidk if are a issue of compatibility because i use jammy or is the kernel xorg.log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nNC764SRwY/
[05:28] <tomreyn> Thedemon007: do you have a    dmesg | journalctl -k    of this boot?
[05:30] <tomreyn> Thedemon007: the xsever-xorg-core package you have installed does not seem to be that of mantic
[05:31] <tomreyn> are you saying you're mixing jammy and mantic?
[05:31] <Thedemon007> i try use the kernel
[05:31] <Thedemon007> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wsJpg7rYBv/
[05:32] <tomreyn> is anything not working when you use the kernel available on your ubuntu release?
[05:34] <Thedemon007> tomreyn kernel from jammy work fine only have a minor issue with a device https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/2039334
[05:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039334 in linux-meta (Ubuntu) "Intel usb problem with gamepad device descriptor read/64, error -32" [Undecided, New]
[05:35] <tomreyn> Thedemon007: so why don't you use the jammy kernel, assuming you have jammy installed?
[05:35] <tomreyn> (after all that's the only supported option)
[05:36] <tomreyn> if you're on jammy you have a choice between jammy's vanilla / generic kernel version, the !HWE version and the HWE-edge version (often the same as HWE)
[05:36] <Thedemon007> tomreyn ye i k i am now using jammy kernel, only try boot o new kernel for see if the issue are present in new kernel too
[05:37] <tomreyn> ah so there is not really an issue other than bug 2039334
[05:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2039334 in linux-meta (Ubuntu) "Intel usb problem with gamepad device descriptor read/64, error -32" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039334
[05:39] <tomreyn> this hardware (SIRAGON AIO) appears to be rather uncommon
[05:41] <tomreyn> is this Síragon from Venezuela?
[05:41] <Thedemon007> ye amm i see what linux generic show some msg releated with my wifi i go show
[05:42] <Thedemon007> tomreyn ye
[05:42] <tomreyn> if so, maybe they provide a bios update for your system somewhere around https://siragon.com/soporte/
[05:43] <Thedemon007> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K7NdMHMQKW/ UBSAN: array-index-out-of-bounds in /build/linux-13Hbkx/linux-5.15.0/drivers/net/wireless/realtek/rtlwifi/rtl8192se/rf.c:52:11 [   46.682547] index -1 is out of range for type 's8 [59]'
[05:46] <tomreyn> Thedemon007: that's a bug you could report
[05:46] <tomreyn> or it can be.
[05:46] <tomreyn> !bug | Thedemon007
[05:47] <tomreyn> as a workaround, i suggest trying the HWE kernel: linux-generic-hwe-22.04
[05:47] <tomreyn> !hwe | Thedemon007
[05:53] <tomreyn> Thedemon007: sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-22.04      then reboot into kernel version <IP_ADDRESS>.34~22.04.11
[05:55] <Thedemon007> tomreyn is the dafault kernel of jammy i think ? already are installed
[05:55] <tomreyn> does the wireless work with it?
[05:56] <Thedemon007> ye no problem with wifi
[05:56] <tomreyn> LTS releases like jammy have multiple supported kernels, there is no 'default' really.
[05:57] <tomreyn> if you read the links ubottu posted you will understand your options
[06:01] <Thedemon007> amm ok so when a new lts are release jammy can install the kernel of new lts kernel of the new ubuntu lts?
[06:04] <tomreyn> Thedemon007: https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449
[06:05] <tomreyn> but, yes, generally that's roughly how it works
[06:11] <Thedemon007> tomreyn thanks i remember read about this but no found nothing now can understand.. I thought it meant that an LTS version could install kernel from another version of Ubuntu like Mantic but now i see what, this no are supported officially
[06:12] <tomreyn> using newer kernels is only supported through the backported HWE packages
[06:22] <Thedemon007> Ok now understand when version 22.04.4 is released, I will be able to use the Mantic kernel
[08:45] <ice9> is it normal that desktop icons are displayed on the external monitor instead of the primary display?
[08:48] <nightowl> no its not
[08:48] <toddc> ice9: check settings Displays Display mode Join Displays may be set to mirror switch to join
[08:49] <ice9> toddc, it's not set to mirror
[08:49] <ice9> which package I should file the bug to ?
[08:49] <toddc> switch to join
[08:50] <toddc> mirror makes them the same vs join will only show the task bar in the mian monitor
[08:55] <jailbreak> EriC^^: you around? trying to do what you did but for "fan1"
[09:37] <leejones> I'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu.
[09:41] <kostkon> !sound | leejones
[09:42] <leejones> Where is this volume aplet?
[09:44] <stuffnthings> leejones: the volume icon on the top right corner
[09:44] <leejones_> Where is the volume aplet?
[09:45] <kostkon> leejones, fair enough, that particular factoid needs updating to reflect the current gnome shell desktop. If you could just provide some more details about your problem
[09:45] <leejones_> I don't get any sound on youtube, nor anywhere.
[09:46] <jailbreak> http://paste.debian.net/1295037/ I can't set the font in conky. It's always default and doesn't change no matter the size I put. Any ideas?
[09:47] <ice9> "netfilter-persistent save" is not saving the rules, any idea?
[09:47] <jailbreak> No.
[09:50] <zniavre> http://paste.debian.net/1295038/ mine is working as expected and i can see some font setup you do not hav in your conkyrc
[09:50] <zniavre> jailbreak, *
[09:50] <jailbreak> What?
[09:51] <jailbreak> What am I missing zniavre
[09:53] <zniavre> jailbreak, i share my conkyrc with some fonts setup in the config section ( before TEXT) maybe this options can helps you)
[09:54] <jailbreak> zniavre: conky: Syntax error (conkyrc:50: unexpected symbol near '#') while reading config file.
[09:56] <jailbreak> zniavre: my config: with yours added too. http://paste.debian.net/1295039/
[09:57] <zniavre> #------------+ those lines are strange for me
[09:58] <jailbreak> zniavre: my original config: http://paste.debian.net/1295040/
[09:59] <zniavre> im quite sure those lines are wrong
[09:59] <jailbreak> It works....
[10:00] <zniavre> conky told you it is not correct anyway
[10:00] <jailbreak> Not wrong. Just can't change the font zniavre
[10:00] <zniavre> ok
[10:00] <jailbreak> Yes I copied your config and it woldn't work. My original one works. lol
[10:00] <zniavre> sorry
[10:01] <zniavre> i can't help more than that
[10:01] <jailbreak> lmao
[11:29] <ubuntu-cinnamon> testing
[11:32] <stuffnthings> test seemed to work :)
[11:55] <NatSocSiD> What's happening with kernel.ubuntu.org?
[11:56] <NatSocSiD> .com, sorry
[11:56] <NatSocSiD> I mean this link: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> seems like down eh NatSocSiD
[12:07] <stuffnthings> there was talk of it maybe being intentional but thats unclear
[12:27] <faekjarz> How do you tell nmcli not to use a pager? TERM=dumb is not an option, because i want color. Is there a not-a-pager pager that doeasnt actually page? Alternatively, how do i tell the more pager to just dump everything into the terminal.
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> please no crossposting in several channels faekjarz
[12:29] <faekjarz> aye
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:54] <jailbreak> I posted on the Ubuntu forums. Need some help with Conky. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2491590
[12:59] <pickanick> Hi I notice on one Kubuntu system upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS I do not have a Kubuntu Secure Boot Signing Key, while on a freshly installed Kubuntu,  I do.   What's it used to sign? Why might it be missing on the first computer and should I try to get it there?
[13:01] <pickanick> [ ^ previously posted to Kubuntu w/o response ^ ]
[13:49] <mozambique> do you think that we can make freedos a new updated system with the help of kernel.org
[13:52] <jeremy31> mozambique: That is not an Ubuntu support issue
[14:09] <pickanick> In  Discover (Software)  Settings : Firmware options there is lvfs and "vendor-directory".  Who/when should use "vendor-directory"?
[14:10] <pickanick> ah found https://askubuntu.com/questions/1330872/what-is-the-difference-between-lvfs-and-vendor-directory
[14:13] <mozambique> new idea
[14:13] <mozambique> let me know
[14:13] <mozambique> I wish kernel.org would take a look at freedos, it's an open-source system.
[14:13] <mozambique> Use the linus code and transform it into .exe
[14:13] <mozambique> A change to the title, kernel.org deals with .exe
[14:13] <mozambique> What do you think of the idea?
[14:13] <mozambique> Rahim 214208125
[14:14] <tomreyn> mozambique: you're off-topic again. this is not a discussion forum, but exclusively a place for support with issues on supported ubuntu releases.
[14:14] <pickanick> On first "apt upgrade" there were many many warnings about "Possibly missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/ga.... for module nouveau" Is that expected on the first boot? I tried rebooting and was not shown a second round of MOK enrolment  as some old documentation  seems to suggest ( (It seems Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS  does not have an installation guide)
[14:29] <pickanick> tomreyn : I notice after reboot after first 'apt update' there are in dmesg several nouveau lines that report firmware unavailable. What can I do about this?
[14:32] <tomreyn> pickanick: most of the time, these warnings are benign. ubuntu provides firmware needed by the drivers that come with the same ubuntu release in the linux-firmware (and some other, driver / hardware specific) packages.
[14:33] <tomreyn> often, kernel modules (drivers) have support for optional firmware, but this is not actrually required. such would also be listed on the output you saw.
[14:40] <pickanick> tomreyn : after these warnings there appears to be a BUG: kernel NULL pointer dereference and a Call Trace, please see  https://bpa.st/MWDA
[14:43] <tomreyn> pickanick: nouveau lacks support for current nvidia generation hardware because the company does not make documentation available, so no open source support is possible. consider using the nvidia proprietary or 'open' drivers.
[14:43] <tomreyn> (i don't *know* whether that's the cause of your kernel oops, but it seems likely)
[14:47] <pickanick> For installing nvidia proprietary on a laptop should I follow the server documentation  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/nvidia-drivers-installation or something else ?
[14:48] <pickanick> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or something else?
[14:49] <pickanick> BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia (last edited 2021-08-06
[14:53] <tomreyn> pickanick: i would think this guide still applies for the most part. if you use the laptop with a graphical user interface, you should not install the nvidia-*-server packages
[14:55] <pickanick> ok I do use the laptop with a graphical user interface, are the server packages incompatible or just insufficient (maybe they only provide CUDA like functionality) ?
[14:56] <tomreyn> have you read their description in your favorite package manager? because i assume it would tell.
[14:56] <pickanick> great idea
[14:57] <pickanick> If Ubuntu seems unable to power off the laptop what can I do to get it working?
[14:59] <pickanick> fwupdmgr said a reboot was needed to use new (UEFI BIOS) firmware; after agreeing to reboot, the laptop is stuck at the DELL logo on its way to reboot
[15:01] <tomreyn> a bios update is a good idea if they system fails to shutdown properly in normal operation.
[15:02] <tomreyn> uefi upgrades through LVFS are usually staged only, they install on next reboot, which can take a while (and, as every firmware upgrade, must not be interrupted). i could only speculate what happened in your case, though.
[15:03] <tomreyn> unfortunately the nvidia-*-server packages lack a proper package description. but i'm pretty sure they are only meant to be used on server-like computers where they add GPU compute support.
[15:03] <pickanick> I do not think the reboot happened yet, with 22.04.03 I've had to force the power off
[15:04] <tomreyn> a better option to forcing power off is the 'magic sysrq'
[15:04] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[15:07] <pickanick> Hmm I may have to hold Fn down too. .... I'm not seeing anything happen
[15:08] <pickanick> Tried with and without Fn, nothing.
[15:09] <tomreyn> when you want to test it, it's best to use 'h' (not s, u or b) while looking at a !tty
[15:09] <tomreyn> this should print a line starting with "sysrq:" on screen
[15:10] <pickanick> I'm going to hold down the power key and hope I don't need the warrantee service
[15:11] <pickanick> Happiness ... on power up the firmware is being updated.
[15:12] <tomreyn> the 'magic sysrq' only works while linux is running, i'm not sure which state your system was in there.
[15:13] <tomreyn> Colti: please fix your client
[15:13] <pickanick> I have only been able to use SysReq in the [virtual?] terminals you get with Cntl-Alt-F2+
[15:14] <pickanick> Should it work when in the graphical interface? I've never gotten it to work then.
[15:14] <tomreyn> you can use it everywhere, but you won't see any output if you're not looking at a tty or your kernel logs
[15:15] <pickanick> Have you successfully used it to reboot from inside a graphical session?  When they hang it's never worked for me yet.
[15:17] <pickanick> (I never tried when its working fine tho)
[15:21] <pickanick> I am trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ; where is the notification or icon "reminding you that restricted drivers are available. "  and where do I go to choose proprietary drivers?
[15:23] <tomreyn> yes, i have successfully used magic sysrq from within a graphical session. you can test whether magic sysrq works there by opening a terminal emulator and doing a logtail on dmesg, i.e. run   sudo dmesg -w    or   journalctl -kf
[15:23] <tomreyn> when the 'h' sysrq is pressed, you will see a "sysrq: ..." notice there.
[15:24] <tomreyn> you can choose proprietary drivers from Settings
[15:24] <tomreyn> that's on gnome-shell, i'm not sure about the other graphical desktops.
[15:25] <tomreyn> if you prefer managing this without a GUI, there's also the "ubuntu-drivers" CLI
[15:26] <tomreyn> i think the notification or icon "reminding you that restricted drivers are available." is only shown once after a fresh installation, but not sure.
[15:26] <pickanick> Oh maybe I should use a hwe or oem kernel ?  This laptop is certified with Ubuntu 20.04
[15:28] <tomreyn> i think the idea there is that you can either use a laptop maufacturer provided OEM image to install, or you can use standard ubuntu with its standard kernel images.
[15:29] <tomreyn> in the latter case, it should not matter which ubuntu release you're using, but not all hardware components may be fully supported (which, most of the time, is not an issue).
[15:29] <pickanick> ubuntu-drivers devices, ubuntu-drivers list, ubuntu-drivers list-oem  all return silently.
[15:31] <pickanick> should nvidia show up if theres an NVIDIA card?
[15:32] <TheWebFox> if it's not a too old card, yes
[15:34] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure what would cause this if you actually have nvidia hardware. maybe try the GUI instead.
[15:35] <pickanick> OK maybe I have to install GNOME just to see the GNOME Restricted Drivers.  What packages do I need?
[15:35] <tomreyn> which desktop are you using now?
[15:36] <pickanick> Kubuntu 22.04.3
[15:37] <tomreyn> You could try #kubuntu and https://kubuntu.org/support/ for help with the Kubuntu GUI applications.
[15:42] <pickanick> Asking there, but if ubuntu-drivers devices shows nothing maybe that is a problem?
[15:44] <tomreyn> if you actuall yhave nvidia hardware, and have all relevant apt repositories enabled, then it can be a bug
[15:46] <pickanick> hmm the KDE "Discover" app now does not run
[15:46] <pickanick> which is the GUI  for Software / Updates
[15:49] <bitbinge> How do I make ubuntu22.04.3's grub not wait 30 seconds in the bootloader on boot?
[16:03] <tomreyn> pickanick: does   sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt dist-upgrade      run without errors or warnings on a terminal emulator, though?
[16:05] <tomreyn> bitbinge: is this on a fresh install? normally, it would not do so.
[16:08] <bitbinge> Yes, fresh install.
[16:09] <bitbinge> And yes, no errors.
[16:10] <webchat63> Hi. Please, Can someone help me set up the microphone? https://paste.debian.net/1295060/ Thanks
[16:11] <tomreyn> bitbinge: can you share /etc/default/grub?  grep -Ev '^(#.*)?$' /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:11] <bitbinge> vbeprobe in it's command line doesn't work either and it's very very slow.
[16:13] <tomreyn> very slow running Linux, too, or just grub?
[16:13] <bitbinge> I only changed one line, this is stock.
[16:13] <bitbinge> Only grub.
[16:13] <tomreyn> does it happen when you undo the one line change, though?
[16:14] <bitbinge> Yup.
[16:16] <tomreyn> maybe look for a bios upgrade
[16:17] <tomreyn> or try setting a suitable GFX mode in /etc/default/grub , such as GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024x32,auto
[16:17] <bitbinge> I just changed another line GRUB_GFXMODE and that correctly worked. So something prevents this specific timeout var to change.
[16:26] <bitbinge> What does auto do in here tomreyn ?
[16:29] <tomreyn> bitbinge: i don't remember, have you tried the manual?
[16:31] <bitbinge> OK, fixed it. Turns out this is a fault of all those guides, docs etc. that are on the internet. vbeprobe doesn't exist, I believe it was superseded by videoinfo. GRUB_TIMEOUT doesn't work for whatever reason, you have to set GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT... I can't imagine a newby figuring this out for the life of me.
[16:44] <ceibal> hola
[16:51] <webchat63> With pw-cli ls, how can I identify the ID of my microphone?
[17:32] <aurolac> getting some weird network manager bugs in 23.10, when I deleted a wifi network with say; nmcli c del wifi_name
[17:33] <aurolac> it re-appears on reboot
[17:33] <aurolac> anyone else confirm this?
[17:37] <jeremy31> aurolac: Are you trying to ignore a wifi access point?
[17:38] <aurolac> it doesn't appear to delete properly regardless, as with previous releases, its borked
[17:38] <aurolac> network manager doesn't seem to play well with my vpn cli either :/
[17:39] <aurolac> typically nmcli c d wifi_name will disconnect it, nmcli c del wifi_name should remove it completely but fails to do so
[17:39] <aurolac> as it re-appears in list when on reboot and type, nmcli c
[17:40] <tomreyn> NM automatically creates a profile for devices which don't have one.
[17:41] <tomreyn> as a matter of usability (on desktops)
[17:42] <rfm> 23.10 does have the new scheme where NetworkManager stores config info in netplan, so it's not inconceivable there's a bug here.
[17:45] <aurolac> yeah i read about the netplan addition
[17:46] <aurolac> im scouring launchpad but bug reports as we speak
[17:46] <tomreyn> oh i wasn't aware of that change
[17:57] <ComputerTech> Sometimes the buttons on my earbuds don't always unpause music/video on Ubuntu 22.04, but pausing always works right away
[17:57] <ComputerTech> any ideas?
[18:03] <cbreak_> it might lose track of what was playing
[18:03] <ComputerTech> Okay, i fixed it by enabling FastConnectable in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf
[18:03] <ComputerTech> works good now
[19:08] <MissingMinotaur> Any update on when do-release-upgrade will work from 23.04? It doesn't seem to me that should be affected by the installer translation problem on the ISO.
[19:13] <elias_a> MissingMinotaur: What kind of error are you experiencing?
[19:57] <sixecho2> `do-release-upgrade` still not seeing 23.10... :-/ is there any workaround?
[19:57] <xangua> time travel
[20:11] <cbreak> sixecho2: maybe do-release-upgrade -d? but who knows if you get anything stable with that
[20:12] <sixecho2> cbreak: i did try several of the other options -- but yeah i'll pass on that - will just set a reminder for a 2-3 days from now...
[20:13] <sixecho2> i know they had the language/translation snafu on the installer -- but was hoping the upgrade wouldn't be further delayed // maybe they're having to check all over
[20:14] <cbreak> at least for the LTS, the update seems to be delayed until .1 is released
[20:14] <cbreak> I hope that won't happen here, I have vacation now, just in time for the upgrade :D
[20:33] <ph8> Hi everyone. I've just upgraded to Mantic from Lunar and no longer have any sound coming out of my speakers. It's an STRIX SOAR sound card. Sound works if I choose my conference speaker as an output (but obviously sound quality on that is terrible). Can anyone help me get started creating a bug report? I've googled the hell out of it and tried changing some alsa modprobe settings, checking the mute in alsamixer, poking around in pavucontrol - but none of it has helped
[20:33] <ph8> The sound card works fine on my windows partition
[21:17] <AKX> Does Kernel PPA being down have anything to do with the Malicious / Hate-Speech Language Translations discovered on the Ubuntu 23.10 Desktop ISOs, as reported here: ( https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/10/ubuntu-23-10-installer-translations-hijack ) ...?
[21:20] <elias_a> Russians suck. Big time. (No - I am not going to go on with this offtopic rant of mine)
[21:22] <krytarik> Too bad you even started it though.
[21:23] <elias_a> krytarik: Read the announcement.
[21:25] <krytarik> Interesting to assume the topic isn't known.
[21:30] <elias_a> Well - volunteers can not support if individuals of malicious nations mess up the sw we are trying to develop and support.
[21:34] <AKX> It is reasonable to presume that if the Installation ISOs were compromised, then other parts of the Tool Chain may have been compromised.  Interestingly, the "Official" Updated Kernels ( including Source / GIT ) on LaunchPad are still available.
[21:35] <AKX> I would recommend Ubuntu revoke those as well ( for the time-being ), to ensure integrity...
[21:36] <krytarik> AKX: Translations are much easier to tamper with than the actual software.
[21:38] <AKX> Yes, but now, for safety and integrity reasons, one must presume that Malicious Commits in other sections of the Build / Release Chains may exist, and thus need to be checked.  Submits to the Kernel Tree(s) via GIT would be the first place I started, if I was thinking along those lines...
[21:39] <AKX> Higher sense of anxiety / urgency over software safety, perhaps?
[21:40] <AKX> Clarification:  "Kernel Tree(s)" = "Ubuntu Kernel Tree(s)," not Stock Kernel.org Kernel Tree(s)...
[21:41]  * etc i want to join #hexchat
[21:42] <etc> op, please?
[21:45] <AKX> ChanServ, Drone: Please update MOTD ( Message of the Day ) to inform Users that ... 1. Ubuntu 23.10 Desktop ISO(s) have been Compromised ... 2. Ubuntu Mainline PPA currently Offline.
[21:45] <jeremy31> AKX: What has this to do with support?
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> AKK: Drone is a bot
[21:45] <Eickmeyer> AKX: Drone is a bot.
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> And... no.
[21:46] <JoeBk> please, what is the channel where 23.10 is discussed?
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> JoeBk: Clarify.
[21:46] <Unit193> "Compromised" is a bit strong, it's a translation that had some less appropriate phrases.
[21:46] <jeremy31> JoeBk: #ubuntu-discuss #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:47] <AKX> jeremy31: People have been posting questions relating to 23.10 specifically, so I just made a suggestion.
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> AKX: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/announcement-ubuntu-desktop-23-10-release-image-is-being-updated-to-resolve-a-malicious-translation-incident/39365 will answer all of your questions regarding the incident. Any more speculation beyond that will not be done here.
[21:54] <JoeBk> I see the desktop version of 23.10 has been removed from the website.
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> JoeBk: See the link I just pasted.
[21:56] <oerheks> JoeBk, yes, and official torrents are not ready either, stay tuned.
[21:56] <oerheks> hi Eickmeyer
[21:57] <Eickmeyer> Hi oerheks!
[21:57] <Eickmeyer> The link I pasted also includes links to the legacy installer .iso image.
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> I know, I know, it requires reading.
[22:50] <armadefuego> Hello all, Anyone available to help someone get a printer spewing paper?
[22:58] <armadefuego> this is something that might help:D [14/Oct/2023:18:57:26 -0400] [Client 37] Returning HTTP Unknown for CUPS-Get-Default (no URI) from localhost
[23:06] <toddc> !details | armadefuego
[23:07] <toddc> armadefuego: os and DE printer model ect
[23:09] <armadefuego> Its a canon mp280 on ubuntu 23.04. recognised by usb, but can not add it due to failure in cups
[23:09] <armadefuego> "Unable to get list of printer drivers"
[23:13] <oerheks> armadefuego, maybe this post is any help https://askubuntu.com/questions/1241091/install-printer-canon-mp280-on-ubuntu-20-04
[23:14] <toddc> armadefuego:   I see two options for drivers for that printer https://en.canon-cna.com/support/consumer/products/printers/pixma/mp-series/pixma-mp280.html?type=drivers&os=Linux%20(64-bit) and https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/ubuntu/canon-trunk
[23:14] <oerheks> toddc,  seen that, old ppa, just posted an updated one
[23:15] <armadefuego> add printer fails before i cget to the part covered in "that page" ( no select printer type
[23:16] <toddc> I thought I posted the newer one
[23:16] <armadefuego> ls -ls -
[23:17] <toddc> armadefuego: install the ppa or driver first then it should find it
[23:19] <armadefuego> cups add printer finds the printer ( its in the list of "options" for local printers.
[23:19] <armadefuego> However the add option doesn't continue to the select driver option.
[23:23] <toddc> I downloaded the cannon driver unzipped the files till I found the install.sh  and ran that as a program looks ok but with out that printer to test
[23:34] <armadefuego> well it does _something_, but i still can't get anywhere.
[23:34] <armadefuego> May be relatedto the _down_ printer... somehow...
[23:34] <armadefuego> Because the lp commands seem to all fail
[23:41] <armadefuego> Sorry, but the machine seems to be slow, right now.
[23:46] <armadefuego> my load is at 0, but everything i do with the printer(s) hangs for a while
[23:49] <toddc> if cannon would opensource their drivers all would be great but issues with closed source are harder to figure out (printers are not my best area ether)
[23:52] <armadefuego> yea. i don't _usually_ do their printers, or any at all, if i can help it!


  I can't see where it's gone wrong, to be honest.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:19] <allee> hi, what's wrong with dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental (lilb)kscreen ... .changes?
[14:19] <allee> uploaded yesterday qjson like that but can't see it in the experimental ppa
[14:20] <yofel_> did launchpad send an acceptance mail?
[14:28] <allee> yofel_: no.  I received no mail
[14:29] <yofel_> did you use the right key to sign the files?
[14:29] <yofel_> if LP sends no mail it usually doesn't recognise the signature
[14:30] <yofel_> (you should get the mail within 10 minutes after upload)
[14:30] <allee> yofel_: mhmm, sig should be right.  I recheck.
[14:30] <yofel_> then try uploading again, maybe something broke
[14:31] <allee> I've tried to move qjson from ppa -> experimental but experimental was no listed as an target ppa :-(
[14:31] <allee> yofel_: I'll try tonight.  Have to leave
[14:31] <allee> yofel_: thx for the info!!!
[14:31] <allee> bbl
[14:41] <shadeslayer> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/libav.html
[14:42] <shadeslayer> ^ Some of the packages are Kubuntu packages
[14:50] <yofel_> shadeslayer: does red mean "failed" or "not rebuilt" ?
[14:51] <yofel_> k3b is red, but it didn't fail
[14:52] <yofel_> *sigh*
[14:53] <yofel_> it would really nice if people would implement packageset-filtering in a few places...
[14:53] <yofel_> (start with errors.ubuntu.com)
[15:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't know :S
[15:40] <shadeslayer> though
[15:40] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~motumedia/+archive/libav9-raring/+packages
[15:40] <shadeslayer> k3b did fail
[15:40] <shadeslayer> but they're doing test builds in that ppa
[15:41] <yofel> then they should please link to the builds in that...
[15:43] <shadeslayer> dunno what they're doing
[15:43] <shadeslayer> that team has been deprecated
[15:44] <yofel> ...
[15:45] <shadeslayer> so that means you can't join the team and fix
[15:45] <shadeslayer> hooray
[15:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you pass transmission from {quantal,precise}-proposed ?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> er
[15:46] <shadeslayer> I mean from the unaccepted queue into -proposed
[16:07] <Riddell> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.fr/2012/10/ubuntu-1210-vs-kubuntu-1210-vs-xubuntu.html
[16:10] <yofel> how the hell does ubuntu manage to use more memory than KDE o.O
[16:15] <Riddell> now now, have more faith in your favourite desktop :)
[16:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: actually, I find KDE uses very little memory when constrained
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I could run it on a RasPi and it consumed very little memory
[16:17] <yofel> I didn't mean that KDE hasn't improved there, but 500M sounds a bit excessive for Ubuntu compared to the gnome2 days that I remember
[16:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:17] <yofel> ok, ~400-450. but still
[16:20] <Riddell> they did make their own widget toolkit, that's not likely to end up with high memory efficiency, look at star/open/libreoffice.  they should have stuck with unity 2d
[16:40]  * yofel finds it kind of funny how unity and gnome3 have made Xfce popular
[16:41] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:27] <shadeslayer> so. very. sleepy
[17:29] <Riddell> well it is late where you are, maybe your body clock is actually on local time?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> somehow I doubt that
[17:32] <shadeslayer> I got up at 1 PM @_@
[19:02] <allee>   Riddel:  I'm not a member of kubuntu-ppa team .   So I can't upload (lib)kscreen to experimental
[19:03] <allee> ^^ anyone with upload right to experimental care to upload (lib)kscreen builds?   They are in kubuntu-packages bzr
[19:07] <allee> ^^ I first try in my ppa if everything is building .. I ping later ...
[19:08] <yofel_> allee: I'll upload it
[19:08] <yofel_> HEAD^ builds
[19:08] <allee> I know I've tested an hour ago.  But I've never verified the build deps in a pbuilder yet ...
[19:14] <yofel_> allee: uploaded, but please fix:
[19:14] <yofel_> W: libkscreen source: debhelper-but-no-misc-depends libkscreen-dev
[19:14] <yofel_> W: libkscreen source: dh-make-template-in-source debian/shlibs.local.ex
[19:14] <yofel_> W: libkscreen source: dh-make-template-in-source debian/watch.ex
[19:14] <yofel_> uploaded for raring and quantal btw.
[19:15] <allee> yofel_:  Thx.  I know about the W them,  Riddell and afiestas suggeted to upload as soon as possible.
[19:16] <allee> yofel_: Is there a tool to get started with the copyright file?
[19:16] <yofel_> not that I know of, shadeslayer dug something out a while ago I think but I do them by hand
[19:16] <allee> yofel_: watch.ex is a reminder I've to keep until there's a proper 1st release
[19:16] <yofel_> using licensecheck + grep
[19:16] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:16] <yofel_> ah ok
[19:17] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/modax/copyright-helper.git;a=summary
[19:17] <shadeslayer> I don't remember the invocation though
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ./something -s
[19:18] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[19:18] <shadeslayer> and libkscreen should be small enough that you can use licensecheck + grep
[19:18] <yofel_> seems like gpl2+ with a few exceptions
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ./copyright-helper.pl -sc
[19:19] <shadeslayer> that should work
[19:20] <allee> shadeslayer, yofel_: thx for the tips.
[19:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No time today.  Ping me tomorrow if someone else didn't already.
[19:28] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:36] <Sime> so, who is going to FOSDEM in a few weeks? and is there any clustering around a given hotel going on?
[19:54] <Riddell> ooh it's a Sime
[19:54] <Sime> hi
[19:54] <Riddell> Sime: yeah book through the FSFE http://www.woodshed.de/tmp/hotel-fosdem.html
[19:54] <Riddell> I'm there friday to monday
[19:55] <Riddell> pst everyone, get your pykde questions in quick while Sime is here :)
[19:55] <Sime> next session is in 2 years time!
[19:55] <Sime> hey, that is hotel Astrid. I was looking at booking there anyway...
[19:57] <Riddell> sit back and relax and let the FSFe do it for you then
[20:01] <Sime> done.
[20:02] <Sime> cool. I didn't see many FOSS people last year.
[20:02] <Sime> i'm looking forward to FOSDEM though!
[20:17] <Riddell> Sime: make sure you come to delerium, that's where it all starts
[20:17] <Sime> Riddell: yeah, I'll probably show up in the evening and then head as per standard procedure. :-)
[20:23] <Riddell> Jesus phoned me again, this time her mum who has a couple words of English, she says she wants to "help kubuntu" so I said use internet relay chat but I suspect she won't turn up