[03:30] <darrik> turtle, that might be it too. I have a large ntfs filesystem on here
[03:32] <Mike94287> Rhythmbox just froze on me so I force quit it and now I can't reopen it. Can someone tell me how I can get it to open?
[03:33] <coreyman> mike94287 restart your pc?
[03:33] <ILoveXP> Mike94287: Is the process still running? Sometimes when I force Amarok to quit, the process continues to run. Kill that and then try restarting
[03:33] <bosco_> i run ubuntu i have installed e17 on my laptop and i have downloaded more modules, apps and things for e17 they are all edj files how do install them now?????
[03:33] <Mike94287> coreyman: I know that's a solution but I'd rather not, I know there's another way to do it but I forgot how.
[03:34] <Mike94287> ILoveXP: How can I kill the process?
[03:34] <mercutio22> I am trying to install the latest transmission torrent client from the repository lines provided at the official site. I am having trouble getting the authentication keys though
[03:34] <ILoveXP> Mike94287: In a terminal type: ps -ef | grep rhythmbox
[03:34] <ILoveXP> see if anything shows up
[03:34] <mercutio22> here, please look
[03:34] <mercutio22> http://www.pastebin.ca/1354977
[03:34] <Matr|X> plz
[03:34] <Matr|X> i installed apache on my box
[03:34] <coreyman> wow, rather not restart...
[03:34] <coreyman> lol...
[03:35] <Mike94287> ILoveXP: 7946  7899  0 22:34 pts/0    00:00:00 grep rhythmbox
[03:35] <shyam_k> can i get a seperate vlc repo than the multiverse thingy?
[03:35] <Matr|X> i dont know wher is config. to configer my host
[03:35] <ILoveXP> hmmmm
[03:35] <marioxcc> Matr|X: ¿how the fille is called?
[03:35] <mercutio22> shyam_k> I guess you can add as many as you want
[03:35] <marioxcc> ¿.config?
[03:35] <ILoveXP> I was hoping that was the problem, then it's easy to fix. I wonder if rhythmbox has a lock file or something
[03:35] <Matr|X> when i do http://localhost   its give me this It works!
[03:36] <Mike94287> ILoveXP: It seems to be working now, it wasn't for the past 20 minutes though. Thanks anyway.
[03:36] <Matr|X> i want to put one file and read it viua http
[03:36] <shyam_k> mercutio22: i mean i don't want to enable the multiverse, but just want to get the vlc..
[03:36] <marioxcc> Matr|X: ok, i understand
[03:36] <Matr|X> sorry my english is not so good
[03:36] <mercutio22> shyam_k> why not enable multiverse?
[03:36] <marioxcc> Matr|X: my english is also poor
[03:37] <Matr|X> ehehe but u undrstand
[03:37] <marioxcc> Matr|X: do you speak spanish?
[03:37] <Matr|X> i can use trnsliat :O
[03:37] <Matr|X> can i privet you ?
[03:37] <ILoveXP> Mike94287: If you run rhytmbox from the command line, what does it say?
[03:37] <marioxcc> Matr|X: ¿do you speak spanish)
[03:37] <marioxcc> ¿privet?
[03:37] <Matr|X> nop
[03:38] <bazhang> !es | marioxcc
[03:38] <Mike94287> ILoveXP: I was able to get it to open.
[03:38] <metalforever> ello
[03:38] <ILoveXP> Mike94287: What did you do?
[03:38] <Mike94287> ILoveXP: After checking the thing you told me to I just tried opening it again and it worked.
[03:38] <att0> is there any terminal command to list users on a system?
[03:38] <Naisenu> Argh a really quick question on Rhythmbox. It crashed itself playing a CD - I force quit the app. But the same 1 second section of sound is still playing. Can I restart the sound server/daemon (whatever it is) without logging off?
[03:38] <davmil> does anyone know how to get rid of the "Enter password for default keyring to unlock" message when a user logs in and it tries to connect to the wifi network?
[03:39] <daftykins> davmil yeah join the wireless network and refuse to allow the key to be attached to the keyring
[03:39] <davmil> daftykins, ok.... if the key is already on the keyring, how do i get rid of it?
[03:40] <redvamp128> Naisenu:  sometimes my sound just stops and this fixes it up for me but should work to restart it ... sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[03:40] <daftykins> davmil try deleting the profile for the wireless connection and re-creating
[03:40] <ILoveXP> Mike94287: Well, I'm glad you got it working
[03:40] <Naisenu> redvamp128: tried and no-worky.
[03:41] <davmil> thanks daftykins trying now
[03:41] <aprilhare> or is it gnome that needs to forget about wmp?
[03:41] <aprilhare> strange. when i double click of a matroska video file, it opens in totem. but when i click 'play' on matroska file in vuze, it opens it in windows media player. which isn't helpful given WMP doesn't have the codecs. how do i make vuze forget about the existance of WMP? :)
[03:42] <att0> command to list users on a system?
[03:42] <redvamp128> Naisenu:  unless you are not using -- alsa == but you could try a log off-- then hit the ctl-alt-backspace then log back in -- that should get it to reload the sound without a full reboot.
[03:42] <jyaan> users
[03:42] <Kryzler> does anyone know a way of solving Error 15: file not found in the Grub loader? The Grub is v1.5 I believe.
[03:42] <jyaan> or who
[03:42] <Naisenu> ah for the love of ... now Rhythmbox is crapped.
[03:43] <sebsebseb> Naisenu: you use Intrepid Ibex?
[03:43] <Naisenu> I experienced this error a few weeks back with Rhythmbox that it suddenly cannot find my music. You know the same music it found not 10 mins ago.
[03:43] <sebsebseb> Naisenu: use Banshee :)  if  Ibex, and if Hardy get the ppa for it
[03:43] <bert1> i changed a lot of appearance settings last night and now when i turn my computer on and select the latest ubuntu kernel (kernel 2.6.27-13-generic) it goes to a black screen and never loads anything. if i use the kernel before that (2.6.27-12) it loads fine (its what i'm using now) - how can i fix my latest kernel to load again? please help!
[03:43] <Naisenu> sebsebseb: what is banshee?
[03:44] <sebsebseb> Naisenu: a better music and video player
[03:44] <ILoveXP> Naisenu: Amarok is great, you should try it
[03:44] <Naisenu> And yes I'm running Intrepid
[03:44] <sebsebseb> Naisenu: get Banshee :)  sudo apt-get install Banshee
[03:44] <stealth-> whats that program called that creates a snapshot of the system files and reports when any of them have changed? Its used as an intrusion detection system
[03:44] <Naisenu> ILoveXP: Yeah except I have to install a bunch of KDE stuff.
[03:45] <sebsebseb> Naisenu: I used to use Rythombox for music, but then Banshee got good.   Rythombox  sucks compared to these later versions of Banshee
[03:45] <Naisenu> Is there any way to get rid of the annoying repeating sound?
[03:45] <ILoveXP> KDE is better anyway
[03:45] <Kryzler> If any of you need more details, I basically installed Ubuntu 8.10, and then installed OpenSUSE and for some reason the grub can't find the Ubuntu OS
[03:45] <SchmittyDoesIt> i installed epic on gutsy and i don't know how to toggle between channels. Is anyone familiar with it.
[03:45] <ILoveXP> It's more windows-like
[03:45] <sebsebseb> ILoveXP: depends on the user
[03:45] <sebsebseb> to Windows like isn't good really
[03:45] <Naisenu> ILoveXP: Okay you stick with it then. I currently like Gnome, tyvm
[03:45] <metalforever> Kryzler: you installed over it.
[03:45] <SchmittyDoesIt> I installed epic on gutsy and i don't know how to toggle between channels. Is anyone familiar with it.
[03:45] <mercutio22> so about the gpg.conf error? http://www.pastebin.ca/1354977
[03:46] <ILoveXP> I use Gnome too, KDE is horrible, but I love Amarok
[03:46] <Kryzler> I'm positively sure I installed to separate partitions metalforever
[03:46] <sebsebseb> Kryzler: you can edit Grub and add Ubuntu to it
[03:46] <sebsebseb> !grub
[03:46] <ILoveXP> I am gonna try this banshee thing out though
[03:46] <TruthTaco2> whats the best virtualization software?
[03:46] <mercutio22> It seems I am the user who owns that file indeed
[03:46] <Kryzler> thank you sebsebseb :)
[03:47] <sebsebseb> TruthTaco2: Virtualbox is rather good, but you  the binary the non OSE for USB suppourt from their site http://www.virtualbox.org
[03:47] <sebsebseb> you need the binary
[03:47] <Meneertje> hi
[03:47] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:47] <Naisenu> Aw shit. This sound is stuck in here. I tried opening Totem to play an mp3 and the same sound was playing. Not what I asked it to play even though the time ticker was moving.
[03:47] <Meneertje>  Copy xorg from suse 11.1 to xubuntu 8.10
[03:47] <TruthTaco2> ive got virtualbox installed... and i even have the non OSE installed
[03:47] <daftykins> Does anyone run vmware server on their ubuntu desktop?
[03:47] <TruthTaco2> but i cant get usb or hard drives to work
[03:47] <TruthTaco2> or shared folders
[03:47] <Meneertje> can i copy suse xorg to xubuntu?
[03:47] <stealth-_> Naisenu: restart the sound server?
[03:47] <hungtv2684> @yahoo.comhelo
[03:47] <mohanohi> hi..
[03:48] <hungtv2684> deo me
[03:48] <sebsebseb> Meneertje: xorg conf or whatever it is, yeah  that should work I think
[03:48] <xakk22> does anybody use an alternative to grub or lilo??
[03:48] <Naisenu> stealth_: The alsa command?
[03:48] <ILoveXP> alsa force-reload
[03:48] <mohanohi> where can i get latest cinelerra 4 for ubuntu interpred 64bit
[03:48] <Naisenu> stealth_: Tried it. Didn't work.
[03:48] <sebsebseb> xakk22:   I don't think so
[03:48] <Meneertje> no?
[03:48] <sebsebseb> xakk22: not for Ubuntu anyway
[03:48] <stealth-_> Meneertje: I dont think so, you can try, but dont expect it to work. Make a backup of the old one and just copy it back over via terminal if it doesnt work. If your not terminal savy, its probably not a great idea
[03:48] <stealth-_> Meneertje: ubuntu has very "diverse" configuration settings
[03:49] <Meneertje> cause xubuntu doesn't recognize the 1024x576 resolution
[03:49] <Naisenu> ILoveXP: That threw a bunch of warnings but it appears to have worked.
[03:49] <Meneertje> suse did recognize...
[03:49] <sebsebseb> daftykins: used to, but  for  non server stuff,  Virtualbox is better
[03:49] <stealth-_> Naisenu: no, like stopping and restarting the service. Im not sure what ubuntu uses for its sound server, so it might be better just to restart. if this happens often, then you should be asking for a permanent fix, not a short one
[03:49] <sebsebseb> daftykins:  well virtualbox can be used for servers as well I guess
[03:50] <daftykins> i see no reason to think virtualbox is any better than vmware
[03:50] <daftykins> however i've got a funny issue where the cursor keys don't work
[03:50] <Meneertje> to move back to backup xorg conf... is it somelike like mv /etc/.... /etc
[03:50] <Naisenu> stealth_: What ILoveXP said worked ... alsa force-reload
[03:50] <daftykins> only the number pad directionals are
[03:50] <bert1> i changed a lot of appearance settings last night and now when i turn my computer on and select the latest ubuntu kernel (kernel 2.6.27-13-generic) it goes to a black screen and never loads anything. if i use the kernel before that (2.6.27-12) it loads fine (its what i'm using now) - how can i fix my latest kernel to load again?
[03:50] <sebsebseb> daftykins: http://www.virtualbox.org and you would want the  binary the non OSE  version  for USB supourt.  and Virtualbox can use your VMDK's no problem without needing a stupid vmx file
[03:51] <stealth-_> Naisenu: well then, your using alsa. You might have been using OSS or Y for all I know.
[03:51] <daftykins> no thanks not interested in virtualbox
[03:51] <Meneertje> you must blank out the latest kernel
[03:51] <Meneertje> during boot
[03:51] <ariqs> how do I run a perl script?
[03:51] <sebsebseb> daftykins: ok well whatever
[03:51] <stealth-_> whats that program called that takes a snapshot of the computers system files, and reports any change made to them? Its used as an intrusion detection software
[03:51] <sebsebseb> !perl
[03:52] <Meneertje> anyone installed ubuntu on HP2140?
[03:52] <SchmittyDoesIt> !epic
[03:52] <nihilist> You actually need to search for a TV-show you know!  Type !eptriggers for help.
[03:52] <ILoveXP> ariqs: ./script.pl
[03:52] <ariqs> hmm, thought i tried that, thanks
[03:52] <stealth-_> ariqs: "perls script.pl"?
[03:52] <stealth-_> ariqs: opps, that should be "perl script.pl"
[03:52] <ILoveXP> You need to be in the directory the script is in, and it has to be executable
[03:53] <stealth-_> ILoveXP: I dont think that would work
[03:53] <SchmittyDoesIt> how do I toggle between channels in EPIC
[03:53] <ariqs> ahh, thanks
[03:53] <davmil_> daftykins, ok i did what you suggested ... now it tries to auto connect to the wifi network, but it doesnt store the key and wants me to enter the key every time
[03:53] <stealth-_> ILoveXP: do you have to compile perl?
[03:53] <ILoveXP> perl scripts aren't compiled
[03:54] <stealth-_> ILoveXP: then the bash terminal would be trying to run the program as a bash program, wouldnt it? I know for python you have to "python python.py". "./python.py" doesnt work
[03:54] <daftykins> ah ok davmil_ it didn't do that for me
[03:55] <xakk22> does anyone know how to do this : http://www.pelogo.org/data/phoo/2006_09_12/Capture-ubugrey.png
[03:55] <lstarnes> stealth-_: ./python.py will work if the first line is #!/usr/bin/env python
[03:55] <davmil_> daftykins, unfortunately this is a keyboardless/mouseless computer that i want to auto connect to the wireless network when it comes online... any other ideas?
[03:55] <ILoveXP> stealth-_: I am gonna try it after banshee is done installing
[03:55] <stealth-_> lstarnes: ah, thank you. I guess I should keep that in mind :)
[03:55] <SchmittyDoesIt> bye
[03:55] <ILoveXP> I don't have perl installed right now so I have to wait until the download is done
[03:55] <daftykins> no none i'm afraid
[03:55] <stealth-_> ILoveXP: I think what lstarnes said would apply to perl, aswell.
[03:55] <MK13> davmil_: what is your problem, i just caught the tail end of it
[03:56] <lstarnes> stealth-_: it would be #!/usr/bin/perl instead
[03:56] <stealth-_> lstarnes: thought so. Thanks
[03:56] <ILoveXP> yeah, that would work
[03:56] <stealth-_> ILoveXP: yeah, so what lstarnes said :)
[03:56] <ILoveXP> you just have to let bash know where the interpreter is
[03:56] <twistedr>  /server irc.deviantart.com
[03:56] <twistedr>  /connect irc.deviantart.com
[03:57] <davmil_> MK13, im running a mythtv ubuntu box with no keyboard or mouse... i want it to auto connect to a network when the user is auto logged in
[03:57] <blackbyte> pato?
[03:57] <blackbyte> :)
[03:57] <shini> wolas
[03:57] <shini> xD
[03:57] <blackbyte> me llamo camilo y tu
[03:57] <blackbyte> chetumareee
[03:57] <davmil_> MK13, unfortunately it stores the WEP key in a keyring that i have to unlock every time it tries to connect
[03:57] <MK13> davmil_: so it is a headless setup?
[03:57] <shini> pato po wn xD
[03:57] <blackbyte> xD
[03:57] <daftykins> davmil_, i'd imagine an option would be to disable the gnome network manager and somehow use WPAsupplicant or whatever intrepid uses these days and script it to connect manually at boot
[03:57] <blackbyte> mira
[03:57] <blackbyte> coloca
[03:57] <davmil_> MK13, its connected to the tv, but has no keyboard/mouse
[03:58] <xakk22> found it: GFX Grub ;)
[03:58] <davmil_> MK13, i can VNC in... but not if its not on the network :)
[03:58] <blackbyte>   /join #ubuntu-es
[03:58] <blackbyte> coloca eso
[03:58] <blackbyte> escribe esa wea
[03:58] <MK13> davmil_: i know
[03:58] <ILoveXP> davmil_: On my headless server, I put all the commands to connect to the network  in /etc/rc.local and it works great
[03:58] <davmil_> ILoveXP, including ur WEP key?
[03:59] <wizzer> my sound stops working whenever updates are found for the system
[03:59] <Scunizi> I just installed perlmagick as the front end for imagemagick.. but can't locate it in the menus and whereis perlmagick doesn't return anything.. how do I find it and "run"?
[03:59] <damo22> i need libglib1.2 but it says the package has no installation candidate, how can i tell the package manager that i already have the replacement package?  http://pastebin.com/d56cd1eee
[03:59] <ILoveXP> hmmm, I don't use WEP, I am assuming there is a way to define that on the command line also though
[03:59] <davmil_> ILoveXP, that there is
[03:59] <davmil_> thats a solid idea guys, thanks
[03:59] <grape-ape> why are my load averages so high?
[03:59] <davmil_> i prolly just need to not use this stupid network manager applet
[04:00] <wizzer> restarting alsa also doesn't work
[04:00] <marioxcc> blackbyte: hablas español?
[04:00] <ILoveXP> davmil_: I uninstalled it, works fine without it
[04:01] <arquebus> marioxcc: !es
[04:01] <ILoveXP> wizzer: What do you mean restarting also doesn't work? It doesn't fix the problem, or it doesn't restart?
[04:01] <arquebus> !es
[04:01] <MK13> davmil_: have you tried - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=773296  ?
[04:01] <ILoveXP> !es > marioxcc
[04:02] <davmil_> MK13, no, thank you, will do that
[04:02] <damo22> how do i tell the package manager that i already have a replacement package which satisfies the dependency of further packages?  http://pastebin.com/d56cd1eee
[04:02] <gaintsura> O.o my network manager was just taking 99% of my cpu? wtf
[04:02] <marioxcc> ubottu: oh, sorry :S
[04:02] <MK13> it uses /etc/network/interfaces which is what i always define on my server
[04:02] <MK13> davmil_: no prob
[04:02] <damo22> how do i tell the package manager that i already have a replacement package which satisfies the dependency of further packages?  http://pastebin.com/d56cd1eee
[04:02] <mikewu> Scunizi: if you run dpkg -L perlmagick | grep bin you can see what files it places in the bin folder. That should give you the command to run
[04:02] <wizzer> Ilovexp, it doesn't fix the problem
[04:03] <ILoveXP> are you using alsa? or did you switch to OSS?
[04:03] <jyaan> sebsebseb swfdec seems OK, at least it's better than Adobe's
[04:03] <marioxcc> ubottu: sorry by talking in spanish in this channel
[04:03] <wizzer> i think i'm using alsa
[04:03] <marioxcc> hahaha
[04:03] <Scunizi> mikewu: thanks
[04:05] <Scunizi> mikewu: weird .. that returns nothing and synaptic says it's intalled.
[04:05] <falkman> how come an arrow moves on the screen when i move my mouse?
[04:05] <falkman> is that supposed to happen?
[04:06] <Scunizi> falkman: the arrow is your mouse?
[04:06] <falkman> this whiteish it looks like an arrow
[04:06] <ILoveXP> falkman: you probably have a virus.
[04:06] <damo22> can someone help me resolve my unmet dependency... there is a replacement package, but apt doesnt recognise it as a valid replacement... http://pastebin.com/d75761d18
[04:07] <falkman> what is a virus?
[04:07] <jyaan> swfdec doesnt work with Youtub?
[04:07] <ILoveXP> wait, this is #ubuntu, not #windows
[04:07] <mikewu> Scunizi: apparently perlmagick just provides a module for perl it isn't really a frontend for imagemagick
[04:07] <jyaan> Youtub*
[04:07] <jyaan> -.-
[04:07] <jyaan> Youtube
[04:07] <ILoveXP> You definately DO NOT have a virus
[04:08] <jyaan> weak
[04:08] <ILoveXP> wizzer: /join #alsa
[04:08] <ziroday> falkman: does it appear in a screenshot?
[04:08] <falkman> so you say i cannot have a virus on ubuntu?
[04:08] <Scunizi> mikewu: I can understand not having a front end for imagemagick but what does that mean "a module for perl"?
[04:08] <jyaan> perl is a language
[04:08] <Scunizi> doh
[04:08] <lstarnes> damo22: libglib1.2 is recognized as a different package than libglib2.0-0
[04:09] <falkman> yes, it is an arrow on the screen, and when i move my mouse, it moves
[04:09] <RPS> Hello Guys, I have another laptop, but I'll get back to that story can wait ...a virus on ubuntu sounds like more fun. ;)
[04:09] <lstarnes> damo22: it's for programs which work with version 1.2 but not 2.0
[04:09] <damo22> lstarnes: yes, i know... i need libglib1.2 for xmms
[04:09] <lstarnes> damo22: what about xmms2?
[04:09] <falkman> RPS: its really not that hard
[04:09] <falkman> make a virus for UNIX
[04:09] <Scunizi> mikewu: just an interface mechanism for perl and imagemagick?
[04:09] <falkman> it would work on any platform from UNIX to linux
[04:10] <tritium> falkman: stay on topic, please
[04:10] <mikewu> Scunizi: yeah it just exposes imagemagick perl, what exactly are you looking for though?
[04:10] <damo22> lstarnes: i dont want a server/client music player, just a simple xmms
[04:10] <Philo06> I like Audacious.
[04:10] <falkman> it is indeed on topic
[04:10] <Philo06> Looks like Winamp.
[04:10] <tritium> falkman: no, the topic is ubuntu support
[04:11] <Scunizi> mikewu: a gui front end for imagemagick.. I can use some of it's functions via termainal.. but some are complex enough I'd like to gui-fy them
[04:11] <damo22> how do i tell apt that libglib1.2ldbl replaces libglib1.2 as a valid package?
[04:11] <lstarnes> damo22: iirc, xmms is now obsolete due to many security issues, unpatched bugs, and depending on an old version of glib
[04:11] <Philo06> Is KDE4 still considered to be unstable?
[04:12] <jyaan> Does anyone know where I can get the older version (just before latest Intrepid) of Flash?
[04:12] <damo22> lstarnes:  i dont care, its the only music player that has a plugin that works with jackd 0.109-2
[04:13] <damo22> lstarnes: i tried audacious, but i just get white noise in jack
[04:13] <lstarnes> damo22: I think xmms2 has a jack plugin, but I'm not sure how well it works
[04:13] <maalicious> hey all...
[04:13] <maalicious> whats up with ye...
[04:13] <mikewu> Scunizi: unfortunately i think that imagemagick only exists as a command line program.
[04:14] <niedzwiedz> how to add a custom city in the weather report?
[04:14] <maalicious> i installed art manager...how do i remove it now?
[04:14] <sumdude> why I have no moose?
[04:15] <sumdude> i move moose and noting hapen
[04:15] <Philo06> Sort of wish you could just right-click the icon and uninstall.
[04:15] <Scunizi> mikewu: yep.. I've been looking for the last couple of years to no avail.. wish I knew how to program because that package is invaluable and feature ridden. It would get a lot more exposure with an interface
[04:15] <damo22> i still want to know how to tell apt that a replacement package satisfies the old packages dependency
[04:15] <sumdude> i sorry for bad engish
[04:15] <flaco> hello... anyone with expirence with touch panels??
[04:15] <sumdude> MOOOSE!
[04:16] <maalicious> what is moose?
[04:16] <bazhang> sumdude, lose the caps
[04:16] <sumdude> moose it ave buttons
[04:16] <juanbond> hey guys, where's a good place for me to install applications i don't install from synaptic?
[04:16] <sumdude> you click wit it
[04:17] <juanbond> some people say install to /opt?
[04:17] <ziroday> maalicious: sudo apt-get remove gnome-art
[04:17] <tritium> sumdude: quiet, falkman
[04:17] <lstarnes> juanbond: for most things, try /usr/local
[04:17] <maalicious> thanku...let me try it now...
[04:17] <Scunizi> juanbond: you'll either have a deb or a binary.. they will install where the installer tells it to.  If it's compiled then the same happens.
[04:17] <ziroday> juanbond: /opt is for large apps like OO.o or eclipse. What app are you compiling from source?
[04:18] <juanbond> Well, I am installing eclipse as well
[04:18] <maalicious> it works ziroday!!!
[04:18] <ziroday> maalicious: awesome
[04:18] <juanbond> plus, I want to install the flex builder for linux
[04:18] <ziroday> juanbond: well its your choice really, for me I would stick them under /opt but both will work.
[04:18] <maalicious> ziroday, i also want gdesklets removed...
[04:18] <DFM> I have an atheros 5007 wifi that I am trying to get working. I can't locate the inf file to use with ndiswrapper. I can't seem to find a place to download it and when I look on this vista machine it only shows it as a .sys
[04:18] <maalicious> how to do ti?
[04:19] <juanbond> ziroday: is there a reason why /opt should be only accessed using sudo?
[04:19] <D3RGPS31> anyone up to explaining how to add ruby on rails to lamp :D
[04:19] <ziroday> maalicious: sudo apt-get remove gdesklets gdesklet-data
[04:19] <juanbond> or should i change own and perms on it for my user
[04:19] <DFM> anyone know where I can find the inf?
[04:19] <ziroday> maalicious: or you can use synaptic, search for the gdesklets package and remove the correct one.
[04:20] <maalicious> hmmm....it says....couldn't find package...
[04:20] <VieQ> hi all, GPicView don't play .gif
[04:20] <maalicious> trying synaptics now...
[04:20] <VieQ> do you know one that do?
[04:20] <ziroday> maalicious: my bad its sudo apt-get remove gdesklets gdesklets-data
[04:20] <ziroday> VieQ: firefox?
[04:21] <VieQ> ziroday, how do I play 650 Gifs in FireFox!!!
[04:21] <VieQ> do I open them one by one??
[04:21] <maalicious> superb...i got it removed thro synaptics...
[04:21] <maalicious> thanks ziro!!
[04:21] <ziroday> VieQ: mirage will work.
[04:21] <VieQ> checking
[04:22] <maalicious> ziro...i also want to know...is there any harm if i login as root
[04:22] <ziroday> maalicious: yes there is.
[04:22] <DFM> anyone on the wifi problem?
[04:22] <ziroday> !root | maalicious
[04:22] <bert1> i can't get rhythmbox plugin to work thru gnome-do, when i check it it says  ERROR: "*PATH*/Rhythmbox.dll already exists" - my PPAs are all updated and i've reinstalled it - how can i get rhythmbox plugin to work thru gnome-do??
[04:23] <maalicious> ziro...actually am now logged in asroot...
[04:23] <maalicious> i got a tutorial from web...
[04:23] <maalicious> used it to change the password..and log in as root...
[04:23] <ziroday> maalicious: well you really shouldn't do that. You can easily break your system as well as leaving it unsecure
[04:23] <ziroday> !noroot | maalicious
[04:24] <VieQ> ziroday, thanks it wrks
[04:24] <VieQ> :)
[04:24] <ziroday> VieQ: sweet
[04:24] <maalicious> oh!!!
[04:24] <maalicious> i just wanted to know if it's potentially harming my suystem...
[04:24] <maalicious> i had to do it cause...i couldn't even move files between my folders...
[04:25] <ziroday> maalicious: you logging in as root and following random tutorials on the internet might
[04:25] <maalicious> ..like moving a file from desktop to another systems folder...
[04:25] <juanbond> can anyone think of a reason why it would not be a good idea for me to chown /opt/* for my user?
[04:25] <RPS> Hello Guys, I had a tough time with my new (piece of crap) Vista machine when I tried to run 8.10 64bit on it from the wubi folder. Now it actually ran perfectly, so I said that wrong. I'll explain, it was a sweet set up and everything ran to perfection UNTIL I tried to run anything with from CD/DVD drive ...it would show everything on any media placed in the drive, but as soon as I tried to use anything in the drive it would immediately
[04:25] <RPS>  lock up and die. As soon as I would reboot everything would be fine until I tried to access the drive again. Well anyway I made a post on the forums and followed it for over a month. I wound up buying another laptop and I just spotted a reply on my old post. It seems to answer my issue, but it confuses me a little at the same time. If someone could take a look at it I'd be thankful.
[04:26] <lstarnes> juanbond: it would increase the likelyhood of damage to /opt
[04:26] <ziroday> RPS: link to forum post?
[04:26] <Kryzler> Where does the Ubuntu OS physically boot from on the hard-disk? I'm trying to configure my boot-loader
[04:26] <ziroday> Kryzler: you mean where is grub? In /boot
[04:28] <RPS> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1012009.html
[04:28] <Kryzler> erm... Well, it's rather confusing actually... The OpenSUSE grub loader will load the Ubuntu Grub when I select ubuntu, but whenever I choose one of the options in the Ubuntu grub, it gives me Error 15
[04:28] <RPS> the last entry
[04:28] <Scunizi> Kryzler: it's probably on the wrong drive.. do you have more than one drive?
[04:29] <SchmittyDoesIt> Every night my linux box and I have a four hour battle of fustration ending with a short by sweet feeling of satisfaction..... it never fails
[04:29] <Kryzler> No, I have separate partitions however Scunizi
[04:29] <Scunizi> Kryzler: how do you manage to compare two different grubs?
[04:29] <maalicious> how to manage disk space in ubuntu?
[04:30] <ziroday> RPS: one sec
[04:30] <RPS> thanks
[04:30] <daftykins> what does that battle entail SchmittyDoesIt  ?
[04:30] <ziroday> maalicious: Disk Usage Anaylzer (baobab)
[04:30] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: qparted
[04:30] <Kryzler> Scunizi: sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by that question :/
[04:30] <maalicious> do i have to download it/
[04:30] <MacAnthony> I have a wireless network issue that was working - my card won't locate any wireless networks
[04:30] <MacAnthony> iwlist wlan0 scan doesn't find any
[04:30] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: no you have it and it Gparted actually
[04:30] <ziroday> Kryzler: could you pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l and cat /boot/grub/menu.lst please
[04:30] <maalicious> am using ubuntu 8.10
[04:31] <Scunizi> Kryzler: you said the Opensusa grub loader loads ubuntu but the ubuntu grub gives error 15
[04:31] <ziroday> maalicious: its in System > Accessories
[04:31] <danbhfive> MacAnthony: try with sudo
[04:31] <maalicious> ok..lemme check...
[04:31] <maalicious> system accessories?
[04:31] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: be careful with it
[04:31] <aL3xa> do you have problems with DVD burning?!
[04:32] <juanbond> so someone was saying before, that for the most part, it's cool to install apps to /usr/local, but large apps install at /opt ?  so, adobe air was installed by default to /opt, is adobe air a big app like eclipse?  or should i just always install stuff to /usr/local?
[04:32] <MacAnthony> danbhfive: it's not a permission issue
[04:32] <maalicious> yes schmitty!
[04:32] <MacAnthony> same result
[04:32] <aL3xa> I cannot write DVD's faster than 4x
[04:32] <derekS> hey guys, I have ubuntu on 3 machines and i just added a vista home premium desktop to my mix. I want to do some sort of remote desktopping into the windows machine, but microshaft doesn't include rdp in this version, does anyone have any reccomended FREE and LEGAL setups?
[04:32] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: lol
[04:32] <ziroday> RPS: it does sound like a serious issue you have got there :)
[04:32] <ganymede> derekS, VNC
[04:32] <aL3xa> DVD burning problem, pls help
[04:32] <Kryzler> er... Scunizi Yeah, OpenSUSE uses Grub v2 and will load the v1.5 Ubuntu Grub upon selecting the Ubuntu option in the OpenSUSE grub
[04:32] <maalicious> i cant find it!
[04:32] <aL3xa> cannot write faster than 4x
[04:32] <danbhfive> MacAnthony: well, there is a permission issue.  Without sudo, the scan command just reports the result of the last scan.  With sudo, it does a new scan
[04:32] <derekS> ganymede: which one? there are a bunch of servers
[04:32] <maalicious> ;'(
[04:32] <ziroday> RPS: so just trying to understand, you are still using wubi right?
[04:33] <MacAnthony> danbhfive: I get the same result
[04:33] <ganymede> derekS, i use RealVNC on XP. there's also tight VNC. i'm not sure which one you will prefer
[04:33] <RPS> no abandoned that set up and went on to another pc
[04:33] <ziroday> RPS: and basically as soon as you play any media of a cd/dvd the drive dies?
[04:33] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: one sec
[04:33] <maalicious> okay schmit...
[04:33] <ziroday> RPS: right, do you know if it happens on a livecd/actual install?
[04:33] <RPS> yep the second I try to do anything other look at stuff it dies
[04:33] <Lighttitan> ok, just did a fresh install of Ubuntu. I think I am missing some of my favorite repositories... cause when I do a search for stuff like "Limewire" or "Boxee" it doesn't find anything in Synaptic like my last installation of Ubuntu did.
[04:33] <derekS> ganymede: can i lock the windows machine and still remote in with realvnc?
[04:33] <df1> whats my ip?
[04:33] <Lighttitan> Can someone point me in the right direction?
[04:33] <Scunizi> Kryzler: so it's cascading the grub menu's? Opensuse loads the grub menu for ubuntu?  If that is the case then was Opensuse installed second?
[04:33] <ganymede> derekS, i don't know; i've never tried.
[04:34] <RPS> well it corrupted my vista and I finally dropped that whole project
[04:34] <ziroday> RPS: please address it makes it easier for me :). Does this happen on an actual install or just wubi?
[04:34] <RPS> bought another laptop and I'n using it
[04:34] <ganymede> df1, try whatismyip.com or something like that
[04:34] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: you checked Applications -> System Tools. ?
[04:34] <df1> i did but i dont trust it
[04:34] <derekS> ganymede: and it doesn't bring over sound, does it?
[04:34] <df1> it gave me some 54 number
[04:34] <RPS> I never tried it in anything other than wubi
[04:34] <maalicious> i just have compiz fusion icon there...
[04:34] <RPS> I ran the livecd and it played fine
[04:35] <SchmittyDoesIt> df1: ipchicken.com
[04:35] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: pull u a terminal
[04:35] <ziroday> RPS: hmm right. Well I would strongly recommend you try to install ubuntu normally on your computer and see if its still an issue
[04:35] <maalicious> okay...
[04:35] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: sudo apt-get install gparted
[04:35] <ziroday> maalicious: do you want to manage disk space or format your disk?
[04:35] <cjae> I have two hds in my box how do I tell for sure which one grub (mbr) is installed to
[04:35] <RPS> I've heard that vista 64 and ubuntu can have problems together
[04:36] <ziroday> RPS: not that I have heard of.
[04:36] <maalicious> manage disk space...
[04:36] <Lighttitan> oh wait.... I think I know what repositories I am missing, something about midubuntu or something? Can someone please jog my memory?
[04:36] <ziroday> maalicious: then in a terminal type in baobab
[04:36] <RPS> I thought there were partitioning issues
[04:36] <ziroday> SchmittyDoesIt: gparted does not manage disk space :)
[04:36] <SchmittyDoesIt> maalicious: after that then look in applications > system tools
[04:36] <Kryzler> Scunizi: hole in one! Yeah Ubuntu was installed first, and OpenSUSE second
[04:36] <cody> hi i have a problem can you help me
[04:36] <MacAnthony> any one good with wireless network troubleshooting?
[04:36] <ziroday> RPS: nope, just follow the installer and you should be as good as gold
[04:37] <cody> im a virus
[04:37] <cody> virus
[04:37] <cody> you will all die
[04:37] <SchmittyDoesIt> ziroday: this will suffice
[04:37] <bazhang> cody, stop
[04:37] <ziroday> !ops | cody
[04:37] <ganymede> derekS, sorry, i never tried sound
[04:37] <maalicious> schmit i still show only compiz icon...
[04:37] <RPS> I hope you are not the herpes virus
[04:37] <rabbit_ubuntu> Hey guys
[04:37] <rabbit_ubuntu> Having a lil' challenge
[04:37] <maalicious> ziro: it shows me disk usage analyzer
[04:37] <rabbit_ubuntu> Trying to get an ISO to run in a Vbox XP
[04:37] <ziroday> maalicious: which is what you want right?
[04:38] <rabbit_ubuntu> But I can't install Daemon tools
[04:38] <Lighttitan> In Synaptic I am missing some of my favorite apps when I go to search, like "Limewire" and "Boxee" does anyone know what repository I might be missing that would have such apps?
[04:38] <rabbit_ubuntu> Is there anything I can do about that?
[04:38] <maalicious> but...how do it shrink or extend volume int it?
[04:38] <maalicious> just like in vista...
[04:38] <ziroday> Lighttitan: you need to enable repo's for those projects
[04:38] <ziroday> maalicious: then you want gparted. First do apt-get install gparted and then do gparted
[04:39] <ziroday> rabbit_ubuntu: you need to ask in ##windows for windows issues
[04:39] <maalicious> hmmm...i just tried it...but the icon does not show up...
[04:39] <ziroday> maalicious: icon?
[04:39] <maalicious> i just have the compiz fusion icon...
[04:39] <Kryzler> maalicious: you may need to do "sudo gparted"
[04:39] <Scunizi> Kryzler: ok.. so Opensuse over wrote the mbr and set it's own grub up but didn't recognize ubuntu as it's own unique install and so the grub entry only referenced the old grub menu on ubuntu.. sounds like you need to manually edit opensuse's /boot/grub/menu.lst and fix the reference to boot ubuntu.. that or use a live cd and fix it that way. I can give you a link if you want.
[04:39] <Lighttitan> ziroday, I don't recall enabling repositories for those specifically, I think they were included in some kind of general repository I added at some point in my last Linux install
[04:39] <ZykoticK9> rabbit_ubuntu, (so long as it isn't a bootable cd) you could mount the CD using VB prior to starting XP, then when XP is booted it will think the cd is in the drive... just a suggestion.
[04:39] <bazhang> Lighttitan, medibuntu?
[04:39] <Kryzler> Scunizi: please, anything would be helpful right now :)
[04:39] <maalicious> okay okay...got it...
[04:39] <Lighttitan> ya, that's the one I think! Thanks bazhang
[04:40] <maalicious> problem solved!!
[04:40] <Scunizi> !grub | Kryzler
[04:40] <ziroday> bazhang: medibuntu has boxeee?
[04:40] <rabbit_ubuntu> ZykoticK9: A better suggestion, thanks alot. I appreciate it.
[04:40] <bazhang> ziroday, dont think so no
[04:40] <rabbit_ubuntu> And I figured since im running it IN Windows THROUGH Ubuntu this would be the place
[04:40] <rabbit_ubuntu> ZykoticK9:  I'll try that, thanks again
[04:40] <Kryzler> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:41] <Scunizi> Kryzler: can you access the ubuntu partition?
[04:41] <maalicious> my tunapie2 suddenly says there are no streams avlbl!!!
[04:41] <maalicious> even a few moments ago i was using it...
[04:41] <MacAnthony> any one got time to help troubleshoot a wireless issue?
[04:41] <maalicious> how did this happen?
[04:41] <AE> depends
[04:42] <turtle_> i love the solved part
[04:42] <AE> MacAnthony: do an iwconfig and pastebin the results and send it to me
[04:43] <maalicious> somebody help....my tunapie2 says no streams avlbl...
[04:44] <Kryzler> Scunizi: yes
[04:44] <Kryzler> I can mount it no problem at all from within OpenSUSE
[04:45] <aaron_> does anyone on here play wow i need some quick help with getting my game installed
[04:45] <RPS> ziroday, do you think I should give it another try? Should I change my bios settings like the guy said in the post? Do you think it will give me issues like the guy said?
[04:46] <Scunizi> Kryzler: as an interim, you could compare /boot/grub/menu.lst from both installs and see what reference is used on the ubuntu menu verses the opensuse.. then augment the opensuse menu to match the hd reference etc.
[04:46] <ziroday> RPS: yep I reckon you should, I would change the bios settings, and I would do a proper ubuntu install, not with wubi
[04:46] <Kryzler> cheers Scunizi I'll give that a go
[04:46] <Scunizi> Kryzler: good luck
[04:47] <stokee> help guys, i just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu 8.10 and get no wireless... i am using a toshiba l35 with atheros a/b/g
[04:48] <Scunizi> stokee: the icon in the upper right near the clock that looks like computer screens .. click and or right mouse click to get a menu to activate wireless.
[04:48] <RPS> ziroday, now I have to think in a WinBlows way ...let me see, Vista wants permission to do this and that and that and ...
[04:49] <stokee> its greyed out
[04:50] <stokee> the wired network, auto etho, and wireless networks are greyed out
[04:50] <rabbit_ubuntu> ZykoticK9: Thanks for the suggestion, it worked
[04:50] <Scunizi> stokee: go to system>Admin>Network and try there.
[04:50] <rabbit_ubuntu> ZykoticK9:  I appreciate it. G'night till next time guys
[04:50] <ZykoticK9> stokee, I had the EXACT same problem for a while yesterday with my EEE, wireless didn't work until I plugged the EEE back in.  You don't happen to be running off batteries are you?
[04:51] <stokee> i tried out system specific things and i think its on the drivers, bcoz when i do iwconfig eth0 - no wireless ...
[04:51] <ZykoticK9> stokee, ummmm, different problem then - iwconfig was showing my card :(  good luck
[04:52] <Scunizi> stokee: eth0 is the wired port.. typically wireless is different
[04:52] <stokee> l0, eth0, wifi0 - no wireless
[04:52] <stokee> extensions
[04:52] <stokee> i have ath0
[04:53] <Scunizi> stokee: that might be it
[04:53] <Scunizi> probably is
[04:53] <bazhang> try sudo dhclient ath0 stokee
[04:55] <stokee> still . . . checking it out
[04:56] <acu> is there any utility which grabs the IP address of your eth card and send it to a website, ftp or email (I have a box which gets dynamic IP - and I want to get the IP without the need of someone physically there to tell me what is the new IP)
[04:56] <SandGorgon> acu: you can hack one together in python using twitter APIs. there are lots of examples
[04:57] <tritium> acu: easier just to use a service like dyndns, or similar
[04:58] <njero> hey all, I am trying to format a folder full of xml files. I can do this with xargs and xmllint: "ls *.xml | xargs xmllint -f" but I want to redirect the output for each xargs call back to the original file. Can xargs do this?
[04:58] <mejobloggs> hi guys im running ubuntu for a fileserver, and ive just gone to get a video, and all my files are gone! any idea what's happened?
[04:59] <tritium> mejobloggs: that's obviously not enough information
[05:00] <mejobloggs> tritium: ok only other bit of info is that i changed the permissions recently, but the files were still there after that anyway
[05:00] <mejobloggs> tritium: maybe ask me questions cause im a noob and dont really know what info to give
[05:00] <timmyd> does anyone know how to roll back firefox to 3.0.6 easily?
[05:00] <racecar56> ack my sound dosent work
[05:01] <jyaan> timmyd: all you can do is go into synaptic and click "force version" from the menu, and hope that version is there
[05:01] <tritium> mejobloggs: you'd have to tell us what you did.  Files just don't disappear.
[05:01] <racecar56> my sound is broken.. i know it isnt muted
[05:01] <jyaan> timmyd: then if it is, you can lock the version so it won't bother you about an upgrade
[05:01] <timmyd> jyaan: hm poop. it only has 3.0.3
[05:02] <joerlend_> what's the name of that fantastic movie made in bender?
[05:02] <jyaan> =/
[05:02] <mejobloggs> ok, the changing permission thing is the only thing i can think is related. What I did is changed the Owner and Group to nobody, since i assumed that would let everyone have full access
[05:02] <jyaan> joerlend Which one?
[05:02] <joerlend_> jyaan: the bunny one.
[05:02] <jyaan> big bucky bunny or something like that
[05:02] <joerlend_> yes! Thanks :)
[05:03] <jyaan> I saw it, it was pretty interesting
[05:03] <jyaan> I could _never_ use Blender like that though
[05:03] <jyaan> :P
[05:03] <mejobloggs> but apart from that... ive done nothing else
[05:03] <tritium> jyaan: #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support comments, please
[05:04] <meoblast001> ahh help
[05:04] <meoblast001> Pidgin won't let me block people on MSN
[05:04] <meoblast001> i hit block, it shows the locked door, but the IM's keep comming
[05:04] <racecar56> my sound is broken.. i know it isnt muted
[05:04] <damo22> lol
[05:04] <tritium> meoblast001: pidgin's IRC channel is #pidgin
[05:04] <racecar56> what to do?
[05:04] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, "nobody" is an actual user account, so it really depends on the permissions that are currently set for group and other, can you log onto the server through ssh or some other means?  can you check if the files are actually still there, and what there permissions are set too?
[05:05] <racecar56> !sound
[05:05] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: can log in through putty, what should i do from there?
[05:05] <ember_> hey if i upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 will i keep kde 3?
[05:06] <Scunizi> yes
[05:06] <jyaan> Does anyone have any idea what happened with Flash? Now when I play videos, they only work correctly for about 10-20 seconds, and either totally lag out or start skipping fast-forward. I also got the older v10's from Adobe but they had the same result (! was pretty shocked about that)
[05:06] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, perfect, do you know where the files where located (what directory)?  try logging on and changing to that directory.  are you serving files with NFS or Samba?
[05:06] <jyaan> Firefox doesn't give any error messages though
[05:06] <Code_Bleu> how can i flash the BIOS on my DELL latitude e4300 running ubuntu 8.10 64 bit?
[05:07] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: i just right clicked on them and said 'share', so whatever that is
[05:07] <ember_> If i upgrade from 8.04 will i be able to keep KDE 3? or will it just upgrade to 8.04?
[05:07] <J-_> Do 3D applications still crash with Hardy and the GM965 chipset?
[05:07] <jyaan> ember_: I believe it will upgrade
[05:07] <regeya> doo doop doop doo doo
[05:07] <ziroday> ember_: I don't think so, but #kubuntu will know more
[05:07] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: what do i put in the command line now that im at the dir?
[05:07] <acu> tritium: thanks it is a good ideea - I can make that computer with dynamic id as a dynamic ip client - now I have to learn how to make the server to get the message
[05:07] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, ls -l
[05:07] <jyaan> ember_: You might get both installed
[05:07] <mejobloggs> mejobloggs@fatso:/mnt/filestore1$ ls -l
[05:07] <mejobloggs> ls: reading directory .: Input/output error
[05:08] <mejobloggs> total 0
[05:09] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: does that mean my hdd is dead? that folder is just 1 hdd
[05:09] <ziroday> mejobloggs: is the hdd mounted?
[05:09] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, on the left you should see something like -rw-r--r-- these are the permissions, there are 3 groups show here: User, Group and Other, we need to see that Other so the last group has at least r
[05:09] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, ziroday might be onto something, do you have more then one drive?
[05:10] <mejobloggs> yes have more than 1 drive, but they just work when i turn the pc on
[05:10] <mejobloggs> so i dunno why they would suddenly not work
[05:10] <Code_Bleu> update BIOS on dell laptop running ubuntu...how?
[05:10] <silver_swords> hi there.
[05:10] <ziroday> mejobloggs: well it sounds like the hard drive might not even be mounted. What does sudo umount /mnt/filestore say?
[05:10] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, if you type "mount" do you see more then one hdX or sdX listed?
[05:11] <roccity> hey guys whats going on
[05:11] <mejobloggs> mejobloggs@fatso:/mnt/filestore1$ sudo umount /mnt/filestore1
[05:11] <Scunizi> Code_Bleu: some motherboards allow you to put the new bios image on a cdrom or usb stick then boot into bios and do it from there.
[05:11] <mejobloggs> umount: /mnt/filestore1: device is busy.
[05:11] <mejobloggs>         (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[05:11] <mejobloggs>          the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[05:11] <FloodBot3> mejobloggs: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:12] <mejobloggs> and mount says: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/filestore1 type ext3 (rw)
[05:12] <sam__> holy crap
[05:12] <sam__> someone help me
[05:12] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, your in the directory your trying to unmount - that won't work.  try  "cd /" first then retry the unmount
[05:12] <roccity> whats up sam__
[05:12] <sam__> i just plugged my iPod into my computer. RythymBox opened up and said every file on the ipod is missing.
[05:12] <Code_Bleu> scunizi: Dell doesnt offer that..ive looked
[05:12] <racecar56> my sound is broken.. i know it isnt muted
[05:12] <racecar56> can someone help??
[05:13] <sam__> all 4K of my songs just disappeared
[05:13] <sam__> and now my ipod's back to factory settings
[05:13] <sam__> it doesnt even have a name anymore
[05:13] <sam__> its just: Apple iPod music player
[05:13] <silver_swords> ouch
[05:13] <sam__> yea
[05:13] <sam__> wtfffffffffffff
[05:13] <roccity> sam__: aye?
[05:13] <Scunizi> Code_Bleu: how is it suppose to happen
[05:13] <tritium> sam__: vulgarity doesn't help
[05:13] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: ok so this time sudo umount /mnt/filestore1 just... well i did it, and it didnt say anything
[05:14] <silver_swords> and you didnt have a backup?
[05:14] <sam__> Sorry
[05:14] <sam__> im just frustrated
[05:14] <sam__> my backup is on the windows portion of the HD
[05:14] <roccity> sam__: did you unplug it without unmounting it?
[05:14] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, now try mounting it again "sudo mount /mnt/filestore1"
[05:14] <sam__> which linux cant open
[05:14] <racecar56> linux can open ntfs...
[05:14] <sam__> Roccity- yea, after it said there wree no songs on it
[05:14] <racecar56> use ntfs-3g
[05:14] <racecar56> (ubuntu comes with ntfs-3g)
[05:15] <sam__> linux says its unable to unmount the portion w/ my winxp files
[05:15] <Code_Bleu> scunizi: run the executable from within windows or from dos.  Ive tried using ultimite boot cd and running the dos boot disk, however i have been unsuccessful in accessing the exe once booted
[05:15] <sam__> which had a good chunk of my songs
[05:15] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,       missing codepage or helper program, or other error.       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try       dmesg | tail  or so
[05:15] <roccity> sam__: I don't think linux can mount hfs? anyone can correct me
[05:15] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, SO we now know that the problem is your SATA drive is not mounting.
[05:16] <jerry1963> Anyone seen newsman?
[05:16] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: shall i try restarting my pc?
[05:16] <roccity> sam__: I think it uses fuse like for win mtp files system
[05:16] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: maybe a plug came out or something?
[05:16] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, if you haven't already -- YES
[05:16] <Scunizi> Code_Bleu: is there something specific on the upgrade that you need? if not then don't bother.. if you do need something then maybe you're stuck
[05:16] <sam__> i used to be able to access my windows stuff
[05:16] <sam__> i dk why this happened
[05:17] <jerry1963> I cant get my shock player or any adobe system to work after downloading it
[05:17] <polywaffle> hey, I saw in a linux magazine that ubuntu has an image optimised for netbooks at some site similar to the following: d$image.canonical.com or something similar, any ideas?
[05:17] <tritium> polywaffle: cdimage
[05:17] <jerry1963> Ive probably downloaded it 10 times
[05:17] <tritium> polywaffle: cdimage.ubuntu.com, that is
[05:17] <trapline91> Can someone help me out real quick. I have all the restricted drivers installed for playing DVD's but when I start to play a DVD it seems like my computer freezes up and won't play
[05:18] <polywaffle> ok no worries, they said it was hidden but maybe not.  Is that optimised?
[05:18] <trapline91> I have never been able to get a dvd to play
[05:18] <Cige> hey, is there an easy way to make a windows partition with Ubuntu already installed?  I see plenty of guides on how to do it the other way around, but that's not exactly helpful.  I really just want it so that I can run a few games on my laptop.
[05:18] <TeamColtra[CAM||> jerry1963: You haven't rebooted yet have you?
[05:18] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, have you installed dvdcss2 from the Mediabuntu repo?
[05:18] <Datz1> Hi, when I try to use Ubuntu live cd on my emachines T2245 when the Desktop GUI starts up, everything goes black.  The same cd works on my other computer though.  Is there a graphics driver problem or something?
[05:18] <aprilhare> strange: when i double click on a matroska video file in gnome, it opens in totem. however, when i click 'play' on a matroska file in vuze, it opens the video with windows media player (c/o crossover) which isn't helpful given WMP doesn't have the codecs to play them. how do i make vuze forget about the existance of WMP? :)
[05:18] <roccity> I think sam is upset
[05:18] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, Don't think so, never heard of it
[05:18] <rww> Cige: Vista or XP?
[05:18] <sam__> woah
[05:18] <jerry1963> Yes I think I did this morning
[05:18] <sam__> i was just in here
[05:18] <sam__> about my ipod
[05:18] <sam__> getting messed up
[05:18] <sam__> and
[05:18] <FloodBot3> sam__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:18] <Cige> rww; Xp
[05:18] <sam__> k sorry
[05:19] <racecar56> ...
[05:19] <racecar56> my sound is broken.. i know it isnt muted.. what do i do???
[05:19] <TeamColtra[CAM||> Cige you _DO_ do it in reverse... just create the new partion in gparted and make it a FAT32 or NTFS and install it on that partiion
[05:19] <roccity> sam__: can you check it in a apple or win box?
[05:19] <rww> Cige: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm
[05:19] <aprilhare> i'll repeat my last message - it got swamped :)
[05:19] <aprilhare> strange: when i double click on a matroska video file in gnome, it opens in totem. however, when i click 'play' on a matroska file in vuze, it opens the video with windows media player (c/o crossover) which isn't helpful given WMP doesn't have the codecs to play them. how do i make vuze forget about the existance of WMP? :)
[05:19] <sam__> Anyway, my ipod just got all deleted. And then i tried to add a song to it and rythymbox just restarted
[05:19] <sam__> exitted rather
[05:19] <rww> Cige: I've used the Vista version of that article a few times and it works great.
[05:19] <Cige> thanks rww, just what i was looking for
[05:19] <roccity> sam__: can you get amarok and try it?
[05:19] <Datz1> Hi, when I try to use Ubuntu live cd on my emachines T2245 when the Desktop GUI starts up, everything goes black.  The same cd works on my other computer though.  Is there a graphics driver problem or something?
[05:19] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, Where do i get dvdcss2
[05:19] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu for details, good luck
[05:19] <sam__> whats amarok?
[05:19] <roccity> sam__: or gtkpod
[05:19] <sam__> is it another program for audio
[05:20] <trapline91> ok thank you :D
[05:20] <roccity> sam__: yeah better imo than rhythmbox
[05:20] <jerry1963> I have Xp and Ubuntu both downloaded, I have reinstalled windows bout 7 times now and it still doesnt get over 4 bits on my display, I think it might have been cause I uninstalled my flash player bout a couple weeks back
[05:20] <roccity> sam__: sudo apt-get install amarok
[05:20] <sam__> but what will happen to my music which is gone
[05:20] <sam__> i think its still on my ipod or something
[05:20] <sam__> because
[05:20] <sam__> under Rythymbox
[05:20] <tritium> !enter | sam__
[05:20] <roccity> sam__: you will get some kde deps but its worth it
[05:20] <sam__> theres a section called Missing Files
[05:21] <jerry1963> Ubuntu display works great and so does the sounde but not XP
[05:21] <sam__> and it has all my songs there
[05:21] <sam__> so i dk
[05:21] <FloodBot3> sam__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:21] <Datz1> Hi, when I try to use Ubuntu live cd on my emachines T2245 when the Desktop GUI starts up, everything goes black.  The same cd works on my other computer though.  Is there a graphics driver problem or something?
[05:22] <jerry1963> Yes Dat, My Xp does that after enabling my default windows driver
[05:22] <roccity> sam__: try amarok
[05:22] <racecar56> i still have no sound
[05:22] <racecar56> amarok for kde
[05:22] <Scunizi> Datz1: before you hit enter to load the gui there should be an option for safe graphics mode or something similar
[05:22] <jerry1963> Not enabling it I mean
[05:22] <TeamColtra[CAM||> I was creating a new partition on my hard drive (for a my /home folder) , but in gparted on the live disk it says that my current partition is around 90somthing gigs of the 110 I gave the partiion.... However when I am here on my stable install... it says the filesystem is only 37.4GB big  which includes my 32.9GB /home
[05:22] <Datz1>  Scunizi, jerry1963: thanks I will try that
[05:23] <jerry1963> Yw Dat
[05:23] <silver_swords> Datz1: i got the same problem when installing ubuntu, but i just wait for a few minutes and it lights up again to continue.
[05:23] <TeamColtra[CAM||> Is there a reason why gparted is grossly over shooting the size of my install? or is there a way I can see where these HUGE folders are located so I can fix it?
[05:23] <roccity> racecar56: whats going on with your sound?
[05:23] <sam__> amarok is installing.
[05:24] <ZykoticK9> Datz1, looks like your not alone with graphics problem with a T2245 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-984823.html
[05:24] <sam__> I'm so sad/angry/frustrated. why is this happening to me!?!? im a nice guy. ARGHGH
[05:24] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: i restarted and its all back :) :) i wonder what happened
[05:24] <Datz1> ZykoticK9, thanks, will take a look
[05:24] <DaveCo> hello
[05:24] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, for whatever reason, the drive didn't mount on boot???  don't know why...
[05:24] <roccity> sam__: linux doesn't discriminate :) happens to lots
[05:24] <jerry1963> Im kinda getting used to Ubuntu now but I cant get get Shock player to work after installing it
[05:25] <DaveCo> ziroday
[05:25] <sam__> does amarok support video
[05:25] <ZykoticK9> mejobloggs, well, at least everything is back :)
[05:25] <TeamColtra[CAM||> sam__: Linux doesn't discriminate it hates all of us equally
[05:25] <mejobloggs> ZykoticK9: i was using it! then walked away and came back, and then poof
[05:25] <sam__> cuz that was one thing that sucked about rythym box
[05:25] <ziroday> DaveCo: as in #ubuntu-sg :)
[05:25] <DaveCo> no amarock doesnt like video
[05:25] <roccity> sam__: not that I know of but 2.0 might
[05:25] <racecar56> my sound is 100% dead
[05:25] <DaveCo> oh
[05:25] <DaveCo> sry
[05:25] <sam__> jeez louise. my next computer is gonna be Vista only
[05:25] <Datz1> ZykoticK9: I might also mention that Xubuntu does not have this problem
[05:25] <sam__> this linux stuff is a huge headache
[05:26] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, Ok now it plays for a little while without freezing but I then get "An error occured - Failed to connect stream: OK"
[05:26] <mejobloggs> lol sam i was just thinking something like that too
[05:26] <roccity> sam__: thats sad oh well good luck
[05:26] <tritium> sam__: better than a Vista migraine
[05:26] <sam__> haha
[05:26] <sam__> maybe
[05:26] <TeamColtra[CAM||> sam__ take it from a guy who has switched over from 100% windows to 100% ubuntu its totally worth it... however after I get this partition taken care of I am swithing over to #! Crunchbang
[05:26] <ZykoticK9> Datz1, saw something in that post about disabling compiz???  i really don't know man, i got nothing.  good luck.
[05:26] <silver_swords> sam_: but better than viruses, worms, trojans...
[05:26] <sam__> i mean, if you just invest the money in good hardware, vista isnt bad. too many people compain
[05:26] <TeamColtra[CAM||> :P Mainly because I can swear in the #! Crunchbang channel :P
[05:26] <sam__> it's not that hard to avoid viruses/trojans etc
[05:27] <silver_swords> ha
[05:27] <sam__> vista never deleted 4 thousand of my songs randomly
[05:27] <TeamColtra[CAM||> Neither did ubuntu...
[05:27] <LinuxUser_> Hi all .. i would like to hear you all, if somebody of you know what it is you need to write in Terminal to get the Compliz package manager or what the name is, i cant remember, but in that you can sit Burn on when you close a window :)
[05:27] <TeamColtra[CAM||> You did
[05:27] <TeamColtra[CAM||> compiz-fusion
[05:27] <tritium> sam__: you'll likely find that your files are still there.  You judge prematurely, and blame linux in general, when you should not.
[05:27] <roccity> sam__: maybe Im the only one here but when reading the manual I never had that happen neither
[05:28] <Datz1> ZykoticK9: Yep, noticed that too, if I install I will take that option, thanks
[05:28] <roccity> sam__: cause... well I read how to mount and unmount things in linux
[05:28] <Datz1> right now safe graphics mode is working
[05:28] <sam__> tritium: what should i do.
[05:28] <sam__> haha thanks roccity.
[05:28] <sam__> i have amarok now. now what?
[05:28] <racecar56> my sound is 100% dead
[05:28] <roccity> sam click setup
[05:28] <TeamColtra[CAM||> LinuxUser_: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-58113.shtml
[05:28] <ZykoticK9> Datz1, good luck :)  if install does give you problems you could look into the "alternate" install cd, think that was mentioned in that forum post as well, it's a text based install.
[05:28] <tritium> sam__: sorry, I don't have an iPod, so I've never tried what you've done.  But, you can start by not using the Enter key as punctuation.
[05:29] <tritium> racecar56: yes, you've mentioned that about 50 times already
[05:29] <jerry1963> I just wish I could get the aol radio to work again
[05:29] <sam__> yea sorry. its a bad habit i have from using AIM
[05:29] <jerry1963> What did I do?
[05:29] <Datz1> ZykoticK9: Thanks, I will look into that too.  :)
[05:29] <jerry1963> < Pouts:(
[05:30] <TeamColtra[CAM||> sam__: I was able to get music onto my iPHONE (which is 1000X harder than getting it onto an ipod) so it *IS* possible
[05:30] <TeamColtra[CAM||> ^ you simply need to read the steps... step by step... and do exactly what you are told, or you will do something foolish... like delete all the music on your ipod
[05:30] <racecar56> more info: i have a hp pavilion dv9000 laptop with a conexant sound card
[05:31] <sam__> ok. i didnt delte the stuff on purpose. i just plugged the ipod in and no files were found on rythymbox. im not some computer noob.
[05:32] <TeamColtra[CAM||> sam__: :P You *WERE* just arguing for _WINDOWS_ I had to assume. ;-)
[05:32] <sam__> im a bit emotional
[05:33] <sam__> Those 4k songs were with my since i was but a wee young lad.
[05:33] <TeamColtra[CAM||> Trust me, I understand how it goes... I am about to do a huge step in moving from ubuntu to crunchbang and know I am going to lose some of my files.. I always forget to do something
[05:34] <silver_swords> ok my turn.. anyone can browse their windows mobile 6 with bluetooth?
[05:34] <trapline91> I installed the medibuntu package and I still can not seem to get the DVD to play back. I wonder if the problem has to do with /etc/fstab or something
[05:34] <tritium> sam__: and you have them backed up, or in your iTunes on your windows install, right?
[05:34] <Scunizi> TeamColtra[CAM||: why not just load the windows manager that crunchbang uses?
[05:34] <TeamColtra[CAM||> :P Which is why I am trying to find out why my partition is showing that it has more space used up than it acutally does in gparted
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, did you install libdvdcss2?
[05:34] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, Yes
[05:34] <silver_swords> anyone?  =)
[05:34] <sam__> i have a bunch of songs there
[05:34] <sam__> not all of them are on windows though.
[05:35] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, But I think the problem has to do with my fstab configuration since I don't see my second DVD player in it
[05:35] <TeamColtra[CAM||> Scunizi because there is more to it than just the beautiful windows manager that #! uses.
[05:35] <silver_swords> sam_.. go drink some beer, you'll feel ok after.
[05:35] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, do you have "mplayer" installed on your system?  if so try "mplayer dvd://1" -- nothing to do with fstab for dvd playback really, dvd's aren't really mounted to play them.
[05:35] <TeamColtra[CAM||> there are the files that make up crunchbang (which admittedly share alot alike with ubuntu obviously)
[05:35] <qcjn> hi, i tried to install sonata latest version..didn't work..can somebody help me to get back the the old version ?
[05:36] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, Can't find it
[05:36] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, It doesn't seem to find my DVD in my second DVD player only in my first
[05:36] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, libdvdcss2??? what can't you find?
[05:37] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, Its not reconizing the DVD in my dvd player
[05:37] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, so you can play dvds in one drive and not the other???  just trying to get some clarification.
[05:37] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, correct
[05:37] <silver_swords> anybody got to browse their wm6 with bluetooth? =)
[05:38] <silver_swords>  i keep getting "Could not display "obex://[xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx]/".
[05:38] <quibbler> trapline91: problem i not playing DVD, but a dead drive!
[05:39] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, OK the problem is that /dev/dvd is a pointer to a specific drive if you do "ls -l /dev/dvd" it will show you which physical drive it's pointing too.  but if you can play in one drive - i'm done.  good luck man.
[05:39] <trapline91> quibbler,  the drive works fine when burning CD's
[05:40] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, how do i point it to the other drive
[05:40] <quibbler> trapline91: maybe it is a CD burner and oit a DVD reader
[05:40] <quibbler> not
[05:40] <ZykoticK9> trapline91, sorry man i'm done, someone else might help with that.
[05:40] <trapline91> quibbler, no its both i know since it played dvd's on windows back in the day
[05:40] <trapline91> ZykoticK9, thanks for your help :D
[05:41] <silver_swords> bluetooth anyone?
[05:42] <silver_swords> good luck all.
[05:43] <ZykoticK9> silver_swords, does the wm6 (whatever that is) have an obex server running?  this would be the error if i tried to connect to a headset, as it doesn't have a file sharing service obviously.  i'm afraid i'm not any more help on bluetooth - never had any luck with it on Ubuntu :(  good luck
[05:44] <frodubuntu> I have apparently messed up the dependencies for my openoffice
[05:44] <frodubuntu> and I can't seem to install it
[05:44] <frodubuntu> can someone help me identify which could be the program?
[05:45] <sebsebseb> frodubuntu: Open Office comes as part of Ubuntu
[05:45] <rww> frodubuntu: can you post the command you're trying to use, and the entire output (including errors) from it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/, then link to the paste page it creates here, please?
[05:45] <frodubuntu> racecar56: thanks
[05:48] <bthornton> does anybody know if it's possible to remotely administer a Mac (Leopard) box from a Linux machine?
[05:48] <trapline91> Well seems I got the DVD to play but now It won't let me go to the DVD menu so I have to wait through all the commercials...
[05:48] <sebsebseb> bthornton: it it possible
[05:48] <sebsebseb> bthornton: is that over  a network or over the Internet?
[05:48] <ZykoticK9> bthornton, you could look into VNC, just a suggestion
[05:48] <bthornton> sebsebseb: over a network
[05:48] <frodubuntu> well I got it
[05:49] <sebsebseb> bthornton: yeah VNC  over your  LAN it should be ok without encryption, but if you were to use on Internet you should tunnel it over SSH
[05:49] <azlon_> is there a program similar to activesync that will let me connect to my phone?
[05:49] <frodubuntu> I wen't into synaptic and removed first everything that had openoffice in it
[05:49] <bthornton> I'm currently using NX for remote Linux which I really like (it's fast even over the 'net)
[05:49] <Diehardy> are there any South African channels?
[05:49] <frodubuntu> and then just was able to run the apt-get install openoffice.org
[05:49] <racecar56> what do i do to fix my sound? it dosen't work, i have tried restarting X and restarting the whole system, and it does not work
[05:49] <sebsebseb> bthornton: NX may work on Mac also I don't know, don't have a Mac
[05:49] <bthornton> if it's Mac to Mac, iChat has a really good remote desktop protocol that's fast, but I'm not sure if there's a Linux client for it?
[05:49] <bthornton> it doesn't I checked :(
[05:49] <rww> bthornton: For VNC, Mac System Preferences > Sharing > Screen Sharing > Computer Settings... > [X] VNC viewers may control screen with password: _______, then hit OK and enable Screen Sharing. Then use Remote Desktop Viewer on the Ubuntu machine.
[05:49] <sebsebseb> bthornton: ok use VNC
[05:50] <ariqs> I want to install ubuntu on a usb drive on a laptop, will that work?
[05:50] <bthornton> okay thanks rww and sebsebseb
[05:50] <sebsebseb> bthornton: and if your going to do it over the Internet make sure to tunnel it over  SSH, so it's secure
[05:50] <frodubuntu> yeah, but a bit slower
[05:50] <ZykoticK9> ariqs, yes but it's slow off usb
[05:50] <ariqs> will a 4 gig stick do?
[05:51] <sebsebseb> !usb
[05:51] <sebsebseb> yep  4GB is more than enough
[05:51] <sebsebseb> for that
[05:51] <rww> Diehardy: There's an Ubuntu South Africa LoCo channel at #ubuntu-za. Not sure if it's active, though.
[05:51] <ariqs> thanks.
[05:52] <sebsebseb> CompuHacker: Cracker/Blackhat  or  Hacker/programmer ?
[05:52] <CompuHacker> Gentlemen.
[05:52] <Diehardy> thanks
[05:52] <bthornton> wooow VNC is slow :p
[05:53] <sebsebseb> bthornton:   NX
[05:53] <CompuHacker> Both :3
[05:53] <sebsebseb> bthornton: how do you do it?
[05:53] <mejobloggs> if i do apt-get install sensors-applet, it installs, but i can't find it in the menu to run it. Also, I tried looking in the package manager thing, and it doesnt show there?? Weird
[05:53] <bthornton> this thing is slower over 802.11g than NX is over the 'net
[05:53] <sebsebseb> bthornton: also you can hear the sounds of the system your remote conecting with that can't you?
[05:53] <sebsebseb> bthornton: yeah VNC can be  a bit slow
[05:53] <sebsebseb> bthornton: ,but it works quite well for me most of the time over net on my  SSH
[05:54] <bthornton> sebsebseb: that's why I was trying to see if there was a better way. so as far as SSH go--do you mean that you just remotely execute X apps over SSH? or can you get a full desktop that way?
[05:54] <sebsebseb> bthornton: I mean remote connect other peoples compuers using  the net, when  VNC is tunneled over SSH so it's encrypted
[05:54] <sebsebseb> bthornton: VNC on it's own is not secure on the net
[05:55] <bthornton> oh I gotcha
[05:55] <bthornton> yeah I've got no need to talk to this thing over the 'net, but good to know
[05:55] <sebsebseb> bthornton: how do you do NX?????
[05:55] <sebsebseb> bthornton: and you can hear the sounds of the system you remote connect?
[05:56] <todd> cpmpiz ==> Fatal: Compiz can't be ran using VESA or VGA divers.
[05:56] <todd> any ideas?
[05:56] <quibbler> mejobloggs: right click on panel add hardware sensors monitor
[05:56] <bthornton> sebsebseb: Sound is supposed to be possible with NX but I haven't tried it.
[05:56] <racecar56> i am tired of no sound.. what is up with this
[05:56] <bthornton> sebsebseb: as for how I do it? I just downloaded the server and client from http://www.nomachine.com/
[05:56] <sebsebseb> bthornton: how do you do NX,  I tried  http://www.nomachine.com installed that, and was able to open another account up on this computer.  that's as far as I got
[05:57] <sebsebseb> bthornton: yeah I don't really know how nomachine works yet
[05:57] <mejobloggs> quibbler: cant even find it to add
[05:57] <sebsebseb> bthornton: I was thinking maybe use as a replacmeent for VNC, if I knew how to use NX better
[05:57] <bthornton> sebsebseb: I never needed to do anythign more than install the debs, but I do know that you need openssh installed...
[05:57] <quibbler> mejobloggs: that is what sensors-applet is.
[05:58] <ZykoticK9> todd, in order for Compiz to be workable in any way you really need a graphics card driver installed, using the built in VESA or VGA isn't really sufficient to get compiz running well...
[05:58] <bthornton> sebsebseb: Yes, I highly recommend that over VNC if you're going to remotely administer a Linux box
[05:58] <mejobloggs> quibbler: yeah, but its not there
[05:58] <sebsebseb> bthornton: well VNC works well,  but NX  may be better
[05:58] <capnquirk> hello Ubuntans
[05:58] <quibbler> mejobloggs: logout/in and check again
[05:59] <bthornton> sebsebseb: it is, trust me :)
[05:59] <wolter> hi again
[05:59] <bthornton> sebsebseb: on a 768 Kbps link over the 'net, an NX session feels just as responsive as if I were sitting at the machine
[05:59] <wolter> is there a client that permits me to send files to other computers connected on the local network directly?
[05:59] <todd> ZykoticK9,you are right,and I have installed this xserver-xorg-video-intel,no how to change the mode?
[05:59] <bthornton> and it's secure
[05:59] <wolter> compatible with mac and windows, preferably.
[05:59] <capnquirk> you mean like ftp wolter?
[05:59] <RPS> ziroday, are you still hanging out there?
[06:00] <wolter> capnquirk, more like ip.
[06:00] <wolter> capnquirk, i have ftp, but it doesn't work every time.
[06:00] <sebsebseb> bthornton: well I get that a lot of the time with  VNC, when connected to  peoples computers.   ,but  VNC can be  be a bit slow times
[06:00] <ziroday> RPS: barely
[06:00] <lwizardl> hi
[06:00] <capnquirk> it doesn't work on your local network every time? how bizarre
[06:00] <wolter> capnquirk, the ideal thing would be somethink like giver, but for mac and windows too...
[06:00] <sebsebseb> hi wizard
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> todd, i'd start by just restarting X and see what the Automatic X does, but you may need to manually set the xorg.conf file to use the intel driver - afraid I don't know the specifics...
[06:01] <lwizardl> is there a channel for ubuntu on laptops or is this also the support channel?
[06:01] <rohan> hi guys just wanted to know if i can use ubuntu for some real eye cnady6
[06:01] <wolter> capnquirk, yeah... well, I tell people to enter my ftp://computername.local
[06:01] <wolter> but doesn't always work.
[06:01] <sebsebseb> wizard this is the suppourt channel
[06:01] <sebsebseb> !support
[06:01] <capnquirk> ah, that is the problem you are using zeroconf names. if you try ftp://ipaddress it will always work
[06:02] <todd> ZykoticK9, thank you all the same,but you said I am not using the intel driver?
[06:02] <endersnewhope> I turned off automatic login and the setting below (wait to login i think), now when the login screen appears it immediately says failed to authenticate
[06:02] <endersnewhope> is there a way to reverse it?
[06:02] <RPS> ziroday, I tried changing the setting and it locked up my pc, so I called an Asus tech and he told me the info the guy left me was spot-on, but that I would have to do a reinstall to use it, so now its back up time and then I'll pull the trigger on it.
[06:02] <wolter> capnquirk, but there is no ip send file application that you know off?
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> todd, Not sure?  but the error message you origionally gave said VESA and VGA, neither of which are any good for Compiz
[06:02] <ziroday> RPS: awesome
[06:03] <RPS> ziroday, I just retoggled my bios settings back and everything is fine
[06:03] <capnquirk> there are many ways to send files over an ip netwrok
[06:03] <racecar56> i am still having no sound
[06:03] <ziroday> RPS: so it all works?
[06:03] <sebsebseb> !sound
[06:03] <racecar56> never mind
[06:03] <racecar56> my speakers are WEIRD
[06:03] <RPS> well it will all work when I go thru the steps
[06:04] <lwizardl> ok I have a Tablet PC a Toshiba Portege M200 anyone know how I set Ubuntu to detect when I set my screen to portrait mode?
[06:04] <ziroday> RPS: it sounds like you have a buggy/crappy/incompatible sata controller
[06:04] <racecar56> lol
[06:04] <RPS> on an Asus computer ...how sad is that
[06:04] <Daremonai> Has anyone tried upsmon on ubuntu? I can't get it to detect my UPS (I got it from: http://www.alwayson.com/upsmon.html)
[06:08] <Nytrix> any1 alive?
[06:08] <capnquirk> no
[06:08] <sebsebseb> no
[06:08] <DarkSotM> zombie
[06:08] <endersnewhope> does anyone know a way to bypass the login screen, it won't give me time to enter a password, it immediately says failed to authenticate
[06:08] <Nytrix> mmmk
[06:08] <drackmere> vampite
[06:08] <drackmere> re
[06:08] <sebsebseb> vampire
[06:08] <capnquirk> lich
[06:08] <drackmere> troll?
[06:08] <lwizardl> ghoul
[06:09] <LordFDisk> I'm in sleep mode
[06:09] <lwizardl> anyone know how I set Ubuntu to detect when I switch my screen to portrait mode?
[06:09] <Nytrix> !password
[06:10] <Nytrix> endersnewhope, can u still login though?
[06:10] <endersnewhope> only from a bash prompt
[06:10] <endersnewhope> in recovery mode
[06:10] <RoastedTiresX> whos a genius with crontab?
[06:11] <Nytrix> !crontab
[06:11] <capnquirk> does it really take a genius?
[06:11] <RoastedTiresX> capnquirk - that's what I thought
[06:11] <RoastedTiresX> until I set up crontab to run my backup script and it somehow erased everything on my backup drive
[06:11] <flippo> If that's all it takes, I'm going to study hard.
[06:11] <capnquirk> ouch
[06:11] <RoastedTiresX> I dont know where I went wrong
[06:12] <RoastedTiresX> one sec I'll paste my entry in crontab
[06:12] <LordFDisk> doh
[06:12] <flippo> Rsync from an empty directory?
[06:13] <NDS|Brandon> My Hard Drive hates me :p
[06:13] <RoastedTiresX> no, flippo. I have a bin bash script with the rsync commands in it.
[06:13] <RoastedTiresX> I was setting up crontab to simply execute the backup script.
[06:13] <capnquirk> try buying it some flowers brandon
[06:13] <NDS|Brandon> Didnt work :\
[06:13] <Louis> hi is there a way to find out what my peak system load is via CLI?
[06:14] <capnquirk> top should show that Louis
[06:14] <quibbler> NDS|Brandon: have you had a really sincere talk with it?
[06:14] <Nytrix> endersnewhope, let me see if i can find a solution
[06:14] <NDS|Brandon> Its cables are loose it over heats, and it cant be formated by normal means
[06:14] <Louis> capnquirk:  i found average load on top, but not peak... maybe i'm blind... lol
[06:14] <NDS|Brandon> I have to delete the partion and remake it, then use MSDOS to Convert it
[06:14] <RoastedTiresX> flippo - I can do that right? If I want to automate rsync, do I have to have the rsync commands in crontab? or can I just have crontab execute my already existent rsync binbash script?
[06:15] <fr500> RoastedTiresX: either of them
[06:15] <Louis> also, in top, what are the three numbers after "load average" for?  I have this:  load average: 0.16, 0.30, 0.23
[06:16] <RoastedTiresX> 55 0	* * *	root	sudo backup
[06:16] <RoastedTiresX> whats wrong with that?
[06:16] <capnquirk> Load average over 1, 5, and 15 minutes
[06:16] <RoastedTiresX> how did that entry erase my backup drive?
[06:16] <flippo> RoastedTiresX, I'd be more concerned about what is in the script
[06:16] <Nytrix> ender, try to enable automatic login
[06:16] <RoastedTiresX> flippo - the script works. I've used it for 3 years manually.
[06:16] <capnquirk> yeah it's the script that did it roasted
[06:16] <RoastedTiresX> too bad the script didn't do it
[06:16] <fr500> RoastedTiresX: you should better edit the root's crontab, sudo crontab -e
[06:16] <flippo> RoastedTiresX, yes, but it was running in a root environment
[06:16] <RoastedTiresX> the script is the same it's been for 3 years
[06:17] <capnquirk> so what else changed?
[06:17] <flippo> RoastedTiresX, how is the source directory specified?
[06:17] <RoastedTiresX> capnquirk - crontab. That's it.
[06:17] <RoastedTiresX> flippo - source is ~/
[06:17] <RoastedTiresX> home dir
[06:17] <flippo> RoastedTiresX, that's it
[06:17] <capnquirk> crontab can't erase drives by itself
[06:17] <flippo> RoastedTiresX, root has an empty home dir
[06:17] <Nytrix> endersnewhope, try to enable automatic login
[06:17] <RoastedTiresX> bingo then
[06:17] <fr500> RoastedTiresX: you're backing up root's home
[06:17] <RoastedTiresX> haaaaa
[06:17] <RoastedTiresX> root and home are on separate partitions
[06:17] <fr500> you needn't use sudo in this case
[06:18] <RoastedTiresX> even if I have home on a separate partition, my root partition still has its own home dir?
[06:18] <geekbr> RoastedTiresX: nice it
[06:18] <flippo> RoastedTiresX, specify the full path
[06:18] <geekbr> rodserling: if the system broke, your home still intact
[06:19] <Nytrix> !seen endersnewhope
[06:19] <JMVN> I want ubuntu use swaps when use at lest 90% of Ram. How to do that
[06:20] <sebsebseb> !swap
[06:22] <RoastedTiresX> crontab wise, does this look good to you guys? Need it to run everyday every week every month "sudo backup"
[06:22] <RoastedTiresX> 55 1	* * *	root	sudo backup
[06:22] <RoastedTiresX> 1:55 I'll change later if this works
[06:27] <endersnewhope> is there a command i can run at a bash prompt in recovery mode to boot up and get into the graphical desktop?
[06:28] <endersnewhope> beuller
[06:29] <Nytrix> endersnewhope, try to enable automatic login
[06:30] <DarkSotM> !tor
[06:30] <endersnewhope> can i enable automitic login from the prompt?  i can't login to the desktop at all
[06:30] <maru> yea
[06:30] <maru> yea
[06:30] <inktri> someone who knows R fast... how do you get the first 10 rows of a data frame?
[06:30] <RoastedTiresX> when Im setting up crontab, does the user have to be root? or would it work better ran as my username?
[06:30] <Nytrix> in command line type startx
[06:31] <endersnewhope> just startx
[06:31] <endersnewhope> then reboot
[06:31] <Nytrix> yeah
[06:31] <Nytrix> no
[06:31] <inktri> nm got it lol
[06:31] <Nytrix> it should start the gui
[06:31] <Nytrix> just type startx and see if gui loads up
[06:32] <endersnewhope> should i run it as root or as my user account?
[06:32] <Nytrix> try use acc 1st
[06:32] <Nytrix> user*
[06:32] <endersnewhope> ok, thanks
[06:33] <JMVN> I don't want to start apache when ubuntu startup. How to do
[06:33] <pawan1234> hi
[06:33] <pawan1234> how to install latest version of firefox
[06:33] <pawan1234> !firefox
[06:33] <ZykoticK9> JMVN, System / Admin / Services / uncheck Web Server (apache2)
[06:34] <JMVN> Thanks!
[06:34] <pawan1234> hi
[06:35] <danbhfive> anyone know how to create a new task installable via tasksel?
[06:35] <pawan1234> how to install tar.bz2 file
[06:35] <Nytrix> !tasksel
[06:35] <JMVN> how to use "Hard disk turning"
[06:35] <Nytrix> !task
[06:35] <Nytrix> !turning
[06:36] <quibbler> pawan1234: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[06:37] <Nytrix> danh, http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:37] <Nytrix> everyone visit http://ubuntuguide.org for HELP
[06:38] <Nytrix> ender, did it work?
[06:38] <sebsebseb> Nytrix: heh I known about that site for ages
[06:38] <Nytrix> not too bad huh
[06:39] <danbhfive> or, does anyone know how tasks are created in the first place?  ( I guess that's the same question)
[06:39] <Jose_Gaspar> hello, is there a way to update ubuntu's man pages? like say i typed ifconfig man, no response, i know i can do --help but want more details on what each variable does
[06:39] <danbhfive> Jose_Gaspar: did you try: man ifconfig  ?
[06:40] <quibbler> Jose_Gaspar: try man ifconfig
[06:40] <Jose_Gaspar> danbhfive: ahhhhhh ok, i feel stupid.. i was typing the opposite order
[06:40] <Jose_Gaspar> lol thanks
[06:40] <grape-ape> whats the easiest way to install a new theme?
[06:41] <danbhfive> !themes | grape-ape
[06:41] <DaveCo> still low graphics
[06:42] <quibbler> grape-ape: dropping the tar file on the theme tab of preferences-Appearences
[06:42] <grape-ape> what type of theme do i download? gtk 2.x?
[06:43] <quibbler> grape-ape: if you use gnome yes
[06:44] <pawan1234> hi
[06:44] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:44] <sebsebseb> pawan1234: hi
[06:44] <grape-ape> do you use gnome or kde?
[06:45] <pawan1234> how to manually install firefox
[06:45] <quibbler> grape-ape: also read this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:45] <pawan1234> deb file
[06:45] <geekbr> pawan1234: get the firefox at the oficial file, and put it /usr/local/firefox
[06:45] <quibbler> pawan1234: why firefox is installed by default
[06:46] <geekbr> quibbler: because it are us IE
[06:46] <endersnewhope> startx booted in but froze with unable to load hal, and another module unable to load.  under root, there was no screen but the login sound played. thanks for your help, its late and goodnight all.  i'll try again tomorow
[06:46] <pawan1234> then
[06:46] <racecar56> firefox pwns IE thats why
[06:46] <racecar56> bye
[06:46] <racecar56> i have to go too
[06:47] <quibbler> geekbr: because it are us IE???
[06:47] <RPS> Hello Guys, I was experimenting with the KDE side of things today and I rebooted back into Gnome (I rebooted the computer) and I have no sound. Could someone help me see if we can jump start my sound?
[06:48] <RoastedTiresX> when Im setting up crontab, does the user have to be root? or would it work better ran as my username?
[06:48] <onats> is there a way to turn on webcams via command line?
[06:48] <capnquirk> each user has their own crontab file
[06:48] <geekbr> quibbler: for linux comunity Firefox represent what's Ie do by microsoft ..
[06:49] <RoastedTiresX> capnquirk - so should I set it up with jason? or root?
[06:49] <RPS> does that look right?  sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[06:49] <sebsebseb> RPS: that's not for sound
[06:49] <quibbler> geekbr: pawan1234  is in windows?
[06:50] <sebsebseb> !sound | RPS
[06:50] <RPS> dang I picked the wrong one .lol
[06:50] <RoastedTiresX> capnquirk -  this? 55 1	* * * 	jason	sudo backup
[06:50] <sebsebseb> !hal
[06:50] <RoastedTiresX> or should it be root sudo backup?
[06:50] <geekbr> quibbler: firefox are the most important for us dude
[06:50] <turtle_> although it seems antiquated typing the name each time but its quicker than e-mail
[06:50] <RPS> I see no sound icon listed on the task bar
[06:50] <geekbr> quibbler: since the end off your father
[06:52] <A-KO> I'm trying to setup ProFTPD. I've mirrored most of my configuration from another linux server I have setup but I'm unable to authenticate and login. It sends the user, then tells me a password is required, sends the password, then says Login incorrect and disconnects me. There's no error in the logs that I can find. Does anyone have any idea?
[06:52] <Nytrix> RPS right click on task bar then add sound icon
[06:52] <Nytrix> click "add to panel"
[06:53] <quibbler> geekbr:  i am your father...........i've been using firefox since before it was firefox
[06:53] <ZykoticK9> firebird, wow i almost forgot about that :)
[06:54] <quibbler> ZykoticK9: earlier
[06:54] <ZykoticK9> quibbler, what you started with Mosaic???
[06:57] <quibbler> ZykoticK9: i never used ie first netscape opera and looked at phoenix firebird firefox and still love it
[06:57] <pawan1234> how to install firefox in 8.10
[06:57] <pawan1234> i want a deb file not a tar.bz2
[06:59] <Nytrix> pawan1234, try www.GetDeb.net
[06:59] <quibbler> pawan1234: apt-get install firefox
[07:00] <Louis> what do the 2 numbers at the end of an fstab line mean?  Mine is:  UUID=3dad02e3-ada7-448e-aa6e-4c3bab0dbc27 /               xfs     noatime,nodiratime,allocsize=512m,logbufs=8        0       1
[07:00] <Nytrix> apt-get install firefox
[07:00] <Nytrix> :)
[07:01] <pawan1234> not on getdeb
[07:01] <pawan1234> my current version is 3.0.3
[07:02] <onats> !echi_hcd
[07:02] <pawan1234> what is the latest version
[07:02] <ZykoticK9> pawan1234, after todays update i got 3.0.7 (on ubuntu 8.10)
[07:03] <Gambit-> hey guys
[07:03] <pawan1234> how do u got it
[07:03] <pawan1234> i too want
[07:03] <Gambit-> friend of mine screwed up his compiz configuration, how does he go about setting it back to defaults?
[07:03] <Gambit-> he's on 8.10
[07:04] <trevor> Hey. I realize that this may be a long shot, but I was hoping that I might be able to get some help with gparted. I've been dual booting ubuntu/vista, and I have been trying to give myself some more space to work with in ubuntu, I just have a few questions if someone wouldn't mind chatting with me privately....or publicly if it's cool.
[07:04] <Gambit-> thanks grape-ape, do you want me to version you back?
[07:07] <Crshman> Has anyone experienced windows freezing/not responding when maximized or made too large? I run the 180 nvidia drivers and a twinview dual screen setup with compiz enabled.....and eventually my windows will stop responding when I open them all the way....it's not application specific either
[07:08] <pawan1234> how to install tar.bz2 file
[07:08] <Louis> pawan1234:  are you trying to install from source?
[07:08] <Nytrix> !ask
[07:09] <Louis> pawan1234:  actually, what are you trying to install?
[07:09] <Crshman> pawan1234: tar -jzxvf <filename>.tar.bz2
[07:09] <ZykoticK9> pawan1234, tar.bz2 just tells us that it's a compressed file...  what are you actually installing.
[07:09] <Crshman> -jxvf*
[07:09] <Nytrix> Gam, there is an option in compiz to set back to defaults
[07:10] <Louis> hey guys, I need a quick sanity check:  if my bsize (as reported by xfs_info /dev/md2) is bsize=4096, that means I have 4kb blocks right?
[07:11] <olive_cre_popeye> bh
[07:11] <H3l1c0pt3r> Louis, sounds right
[07:11] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  thanks
[07:11] <ZykoticK9> Gambit- ccsm / Preferences / Reset to defaults button
[07:13] <pawan1234> firefox
[07:14] <azlon_> what is a good GPS map software?
[07:14] <Guest35974> Hello?
[07:14] <H3l1c0pt3r> !hi
[07:14] <Louis> hey guys i'm NOTORIOUSLY bad at math, and I'm trying to figure out how to do the calculations for this article.  I have a block size of 4kb and I need to calculate my sunit and swidth.  Can anybody help me figure this out?
[07:14] <Crshman> azlon_: what kind of GPS? Would google earth do the trick?
[07:15] <Louis> article here:  http://www.socalsysadmin.com/2008/10/15/optimizing-xfs-on-raid-arrays/
[07:15] <lostxion> having a problem with my OS, likes to force quit my Internet exploration often when making requests, how might i fix this any one please...
[07:15] <RPS> by the way I got my sound working ...thanks
[07:15] <azlon_> hrmm... i would prefer something where i can keep the maps on my system... can i download the maps from google earth for offline use?
[07:15] <JPSman> Trying to determine on friends computer if the firewire is detected by ubuntu or not, what command do I use?
[07:15] <capnquirk> lost, have you tried another browser?
[07:15] <H3l1c0pt3r> Louis, math is hard, I can't even add stuff without a calculator
[07:16] <Louis> JPSman:  lspci would be my first guest
[07:16] <Crshman> azlon_: what kind of gps unit do you have? garmin? I run garmin mapsource in a vmware server windows xp vm and that works great
[07:16] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  i'm glad i'm not alone lol
[07:16] <Crshman> azlon_: vmware server passes my usb device to the vm so I can download/upload directly to my GPS unit
[07:16] <Louis> If I ever engineer a bridge... don't use it... you'll die
[07:16]  * H3l1c0pt3r punches math in the face
[07:16] <pawan1234> given tar command now
[07:16] <azlon_> Crshman: im running a Mini 9 netbook with 8GB SSD, need something that uses few resources...
[07:17] <Crshman> azlon_: ah.....yeah that's going to be a tough one.....I have yet to find a "good" solution for it....I offloaded all my GPS requirements to my desktop that has a lot of space on it =(
[07:17] <azlon_> Crshman: im also using a bluetooth gps unit, so that will be a headache getting it to work im sure
[07:17] <Crshman> azlon_: and wine isn't the best for mapsource
[07:18] <azlon_> :(
[07:18] <lostxion> been using fire fox and am going to stick to it, happened after a "upgrade" or what ever you might want to call it
[07:18] <Crshman> azlon_: does the bluetooth connection show up as a serial connection to your computer? if so it shouldn't be too too bad given the current release of blueman
[07:18] <Crshman> lostxion: have you tried creating a new profile?
[07:18] <azlon_> i havent tried yet, but im pretty sure it does
[07:18] <azlon_> seems like it did in XP
[07:18] <Louis> can anybody help me figure out the sunit for my RAID0 array?
[07:19] <H3l1c0pt3r> Louis, how many disks  on the RADI0
[07:19] <Crshman> Louis: are you referring to the chunk size for the array?
[07:19] <H3l1c0pt3r> what is your stripe size
[07:19] <azlon_> Crshman: any suggestions for something that will work like ActiveSync for my phone?
[07:19] <Louis> Crshman:  yes
[07:19] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  2 disks
[07:20] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  no idea.  I know my block size is 4 kb (bsize = 4096)
[07:20] <Crshman> Louis: I have a 7 disk multi TB software raid on my box with xfs on top, I found that after various testing a 64 bit chunk was the best for my needs.....the chunk size is highly dependent on what oyu plan to do with it
[07:20] <Crshman> azlon_: There is an app out there that will sync your phone, I tried it with my WM moto q9h but the name evades me right now
[07:20] <Louis> Crshman:  i might be over my head lol.  This is for recording live tv.
[07:21] <Crshman> azlon_: try some google searching for windows mobile and ubuntu
[07:21] <H3l1c0pt3r> Louis, that block size seems low compared to the ones in the site, maybe its 4096 kb, aka 4mb
[07:21] <azlon_> thanks
[07:21] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  could be.  I was actually wondering what the units were...
[07:22] <Crshman> here is my array:
[07:22] <Crshman> md0 : active raid6 sdi1[0] sdg1[5] sdd1[4] sda1[3] sde1[2] sdf1[1]
[07:22] <Crshman><PHONE_NUMBER> blocks level 6, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [6/6] [UUUUUU]
[07:22] <H3l1c0pt3r> 64kb chunks
[07:22] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  i have 64kb chunks?
[07:22] <Louis> how do you know?
[07:22] <H3l1c0pt3r> Louis, oh that is... Crshman nvm HHA
[07:23] <Louis> lol
[07:23] <H3l1c0pt3r> didnt read nick name
[07:23] <Crshman> H3l1c0pt3r: yes sorry, I said bit in my first response
[07:23] <Crshman> haha
[07:23] <Louis> Crshman:  how did you get that information?
[07:23] <ss_> hi i m on ubuntu 8.10...using banshee as music player but unable to add .rm audio files in music library it gives tablib error can sm1 tell me how can i solve it?
[07:23] <Crshman> Louis: I did a lot of research on raid arrays....FAR too much for my own good....it's a really complex thing
[07:23] <Louis> haha yeah i'm thinking that maybe i should leave well enoug alone
[07:24] <Louis> the more i dig the more complicated it is
[07:24] <Crshman> Louis: but general consensus....for a crap load of small files, 32kb fits the bill....for a lot of large files 64k+ is good
[07:24] <lostxion> lol i feel behind the times like the man standing at the back of a riot..... sitting there saying "hey shit man were in a riot..... oh yeah...... shit man we are in a riot"...... i mean by this i dont understand what it is that i am reading
[07:24] <rww> !ohmy > lostxion
[07:24] <H3l1c0pt3r> sunit=8192 swidth=2x8192 (?)
[07:24] <Louis> Crshman:  my files probably average some 400mb.  they're all .avi movies and recorded shows
[07:24] <Crshman> 64kb should be fine
[07:24] <H3l1c0pt3r> sounds like huge blocks
[07:24] <Crshman> my server holds a bunch of HD movies
[07:24] <Crshman> 32 would be good too
[07:24] <Crshman> I stream on average 4 or 5 hd movies at once from my box
[07:24] <Crshman> it handles fine
[07:25] <Louis> Crshman:  so how would I change that to 64kb?
[07:25] <Crshman> it is done when you create the array
[07:25] <H3l1c0pt3r> Crshman, can you relay "The sunit is measured in 512-byte block units (from the mount man page), so for a 64kB block size your sunit=128, for 256kB use sunit=512." in simpler terms
[07:25] <pawan1234> how to install latest version of firefox
[07:25] <pawan1234> anybody have deb file please give
[07:25] <Crshman> the only way to change it after you create the array is to blow the array away and start over, kinda sux
[07:25] <Louis> H3l1c0pt3r:  yes that's what i was having trouble with as well
[07:25] <pawan1234> 3.0.7
[07:25] <Louis> Crshman:  oh.  nvm then...
[07:26] <Crshman> pawan1234: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[07:26] <Crshman> Louis: yeah....I did a great deal of research before putting all my data onto this software raid
[07:26] <rww> pawan1234: The current version of Firefox in Hardy, Intrepid, and Jaunty /is/ 3.0.7. If you don't have it through Update Manager yet, you will soon.
[07:26] <Crshman> I wanted to be sure it would work
[07:26] <Crshman> but i've done it all on my array
[07:27] <Louis> Crshman:  yeah, i didn't lol =)   I'm going to have to start from scratch anyway in a few months so i'll probably do the research then
[07:27] <Crshman> hot swap disks, in december I swapped all my old 320Gb drives to 1Tb drives LIVE
[07:27] <husayn> what was the command to mount iso image on kubuntu
[07:27] <H3l1c0pt3r> pawan1234, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:27] <Louis> Crshman:  are there any other performance tweaks i can do to a raid array?
[07:27] <husayn> t was like  sudo mount -o loop  something like that
[07:27] <rww> !iso | husayn
[07:27] <Crshman> and in feb I migrated from a raid 5 to a raid 6 LIVE
[07:27] <Crshman> the only real performance tweak is the chunk size, how much you read at once
[07:27] <Crshman> there are other tweaks but the benefits to work ratio is shitty
[07:28] <Louis> Crshman:  I see.  when you changed the block size then.  Did you do this during installation?  like as you were configuring the lvm?
[07:28] <Crshman> well I don't run an LVM on my array anymore
[07:28] <Crshman> but you have a block size at the array level and at the LVM level
[07:28] <Crshman> generally want to keep them the same for best perfomance
[07:29] <Louis> Crshman:  now i'm lost.  Didn't you say you used software RAID?
[07:29] <Crshman> I do
[07:29] <Louis> doesn't that work throught the lvm?
[07:29] <Crshman> software raid != lvm
[07:29] <pawan1234> hi
[07:29] <Crshman> I do
[07:29] <pawan1234> firefox
[07:29] <Crshman> but I don't see the need for an lvm atop of the SW raid
[07:29] <Crshman> i just created a straight xfs on my array
[07:29] <Louis> ooooh. okay. yeah sorry i was unclear
[07:30] <Louis> I did the same.  I just have 2 disks set to RAID0 with xfs on them
[07:30] <Crshman> pawan1234: installing firefox was explained already, if you need more help google it
[07:30] <pawan1234> ok
[07:30] <Louis> Crshman:  I'm a bit confused though.  The site that I was getting the info about block size says this:  "XFS has builtin optimizations for reading data from RAID arrays.  These options can be specified at mkfs time or at mount time (you can even set them while the system is running using the mount -o remount command) and can affect the performance of your system."
[07:30] <Crshman> i'm assuming you wanted to reap the performance benefits of the raid0? probably should have gone with reiser (sp?) or ext4
[07:30] <Crshman> yes
[07:30] <Crshman> xfs is a file system
[07:30] <Crshman> software raid emulates a hardware layer
[07:31] <dxdemetriou> after an upgrade to the latest kernel on Intrepid with nvidia 8600, when starting gdm I get black screen. the only I can do is ctrl+alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-del. the older kernel it works ok. I'm using proposed updates.
[07:31] <Crshman> two different levels entirely
[07:31] <Crshman> dxdemetriou: have you installed the kernel headers for that kernel you're running?
[07:31] <Louis> Crshman:  right, I'm familiar with filesystems and raid conceptually... althoguht not very deeply
[07:31] <Crshman> I generally have to run: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`-generic nvidia-glx-180 after I update my kernel
[07:31] <Louis> Crshman:  so why is Reiser or ext4 better?  I thought XFS was the tits for RAID arrays and such
[07:32] <Crshman> yeah but XFS is more suited for large files, reiser and ext4 are for speed
[07:32] <Crshman> but alas, you mentioned you had 400mb files on this array?
[07:32] <Louis> Crshman:  I see.  I'll bear that in mind come my next rig
[07:32] <Louis> Crshman:  yeah that's a rough average
[07:32] <dxdemetriou> Crshman, the latest I can see is 1.77
[07:32] <Crshman> then just stick with xfs
[07:32] <Crshman> dxdemetriou: then swap my 180 with 177
[07:32] <Louis> Crshman:  what qualifies as a large file?
[07:33] <Crshman> I generally class 400+ as "large"
[07:33] <Crshman> but that's just me
[07:33] <Crshman> i'm no expert
[07:33] <Louis> So do I.  I just wanted to make sure I wasn't completely doing it wrong... i've been known to do that
[07:33] <Crshman> hah, it's a learning process ;)
[07:33] <Crshman> Has anyone experienced windows freezing/not responding when maximized or made too large? I run the 180 nvidia drivers and a twinview dual screen setup with compiz enabled.....and eventually my windows will stop responding when I open them all the way....it's not application specific either
[07:33] <Louis> Crshman:  that it is... Besides, I heard XFS is easier on the CPU than ext4 and Reiser and hence a good middle ground for servers
[07:34] <Crshman> that would be corect
[07:34] <Louis> Interesting stuff... I'll have to do a lot more reading for this next rig.  Anyway thanks for your help.  It's really appreciated
[07:34] <Cige> Ok, so I currently have my Vista desktop hooked up to my Ubuntu laptop via a direct lan, and I am trying to get some files off of the desktop.  The problem is that when I look for shared folders from ubuntu, it does not see any.  I even disabled the firewall on vista.  (it isn't connected to the internet so it doesn't really matter)
[07:34] <Crshman> but at that level it doesn't really really matter since you're already doing a sw raid.....the sw raid taxes the cpu orders of magnitude more than the filesystem ops
[07:35] <Crshman> Cige: do you have samba installed?
[07:35] <Cige> yes
[07:35] <Cige> I don't have any shares set up though
[07:35] <Louis> Crshman:  right but it's a linear progression right?  The access time is going to have to be greater than sw raid + fs operations, right?
[07:35] <Cige> but I only need files off the desktop
[07:36] <Crshman> Cige: if it's urgent winscp them to your linux box
[07:36] <Louis> in other words, a faster filesystem with software raid is still faster than a slow one with software raid
[07:36] <SandGorgon> Cige: take the easy way out and run a ftp server like bulletftp or something
[07:36] <Louis> or am I totally missing something?
[07:36] <Crshman> Louis: correct
[07:36] <Cige> like filezilla?
[07:36] <Louis> okay
[07:36] <SandGorgon> Cige: sure
[07:36] <Cige> ok
[07:36] <Louis> phew.  that's enough geeking for one night. i'm going to bed! peace guys!
[07:36] <Cige> ill try that
[07:36] <Crshman> cya
[07:36] <dxdemetriou> Crshman, I have both packages. to can run this command after booting with the new kernel is only with ssh because I can't see anything
[07:37] <Crshman> dxdemetriou: yes but when you run this new command it will recompile the new nvidia drivers as a module for your current kernel and should get you back up and running
[07:37] <Crshman> dxdemetriou: if you have to run: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-headers-`uname -r`-generic nvidia-glx-177
[07:38] <Crshman> it's kind of a pain in the ass and hopefully the devs will fix it one day
[07:38] <Crshman> unfortunately i'm not an uber proficient c coder so I can't just hop in and pass out patches
[07:38] <ZykoticK9> Crshman, re: nvidia/freezing i too am using a dual monitor setup but with nvidia-177-kernel-source (i do see nvidia-180-kernel-source in synaptic, but it certainly hasn't been offered to me as an update yet) and haven't had the maximizing problem you seem to.
[07:39] <mrwoody> hi *. My son is able to change gnome theme by pressing some keys on the keyboard... does anyone know how to do that?
[07:39] <Crshman> ZykoticK9: it's not an update option, I manually installed it in the hopes that it would rectify the issues.....I used to have issues with the windows turning black on full screen but I fixed that
[07:40] <Crshman> ZykoticK9: how many windows do you have open on a given desktop?
[07:40] <Crshman> I haven' pinned it down but it seems to happen to me after I have more than 4 or 5 windows open on a desktop
[07:40] <ZykoticK9> Crshman, perhaps 10 or so - 4GB ram on this system (64bit 8.10)
[07:40] <Crshman> I have 6gb of ram on 64bit amd, so it's similar
[07:41] <Crshman> I also have: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)
[07:42] <Cige> I still can't figure this out, the computers just don't see each other.
[07:42] <ZykoticK9> Crshman, i got "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8800 GT (rev a2)"
[07:43] <old> is there a disk manager in ubuntu?  I would like to format some free space..
[07:43] <Cige> The vista desktop sees nothing, and my ubuntu laptop sees a windows network with nothing on it but a printer share
[07:43] <Crshman> ZykoticK9: i'm not sure what the deal is but it seems to also occur if I manually resize the windows too large.....I don't even have to maximize them...they just stop responding/updating
[07:43] <Crshman> it's annoying
[07:43] <Crshman> old: fdisk?
[07:43] <Poscaenium> Info: IBM ThinkPad T43p -> Ubuntu 8.10 is working perfectly. (for more helpful infos for your ibm thinkpad: www.thinkwiki.org)
[07:43] <Crshman> old: gparted?
[07:44] <old> crshman: I didn't format all partitions on my HDD.... should I use fdisk?
[07:44] <Crshman> you can, if you need a gui-ized fdisk use gparted
[07:44] <old> crshman: yes.. I'll use a gui... so I need to install it?
[07:45] <Cige> networking is the weak point in my computer knowledge, do you know why a vista machene and a ubuntu machine would not detect each other?
[07:45] <Crshman> it should already be installed, but if not: # sudo apt-get install gpartecx
[07:45] <Crshman> # sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:45] <old> thanks.
[07:45] <ZykoticK9> old, Partitioning and Formatting are different things???
[07:45] <Crshman> ZykoticK9: yes they are
[07:45] <old> need to format a partition I didn't format yet..
[07:45] <Poscaenium> they have different protocols (Linux and Windows systems)
[07:45] <Crshman> formatting generally implies a filesystem
[07:45] <dijital1> heya
[07:45] <Crshman> partitioning generally implies segmenting a disk
[07:45] <ZykoticK9> old so you already have the partitions?
[07:46] <sebsebseb> dijital1: heya
[07:46] <dijital1> how's it going mate
[07:46] <old> zykotick9: I don't think so.. I need to check.
[07:46] <sebsebseb> dijital1: ok, what you want?
[07:46] <dijital1> nothing
[07:46] <sebsebseb> !ask
[07:46] <dijital1> no
[07:47] <dijital1> thing
[07:47] <sebsebseb> ok
[07:47] <sebsebseb> why you here then
[07:47] <sebsebseb> ?
[07:47] <sebsebseb> suppourt others?
[07:47] <dijital1> channel surfing
[07:47] <sebsebseb> so you don't even know what Ubuntu is?
[07:47] <dijital1> yes I know what it is
[07:47] <rww> dijital1: Don't mind sebsebseb, he's a little overzealous.
[07:48] <Crshman> hahaha
[07:48] <dijital1> just a bit
[07:48] <Crshman> +1 rww
[07:48] <dijital1> I just know rhel/centos better than ubuntu/debian
[07:48] <dijital1> work with rhel boxen more
[07:48] <Cige> I can't figure this out, I'll have to buy a portable hard drive.
[07:48] <Crshman> yum install!
[07:48] <dijital1> :)
[07:48] <Crshman> Cige: just use winscp to transfer from windows to linux
[07:49] <Poscaenium> Does anyone know a channel where I can talk with other people about LFS? I also use Ubuntu so don't kick me from this channel :)
[07:49] <old> crshman:  installed gparted.. but it says that only root may run the program.. what can I do?
[07:49] <rww> Poscaenium: LFS as in Linux From Scratch?
[07:49] <Poscaenium> yes
[07:49] <Crshman> # gksudo gparted
[07:50] <rww> Poscaenium: they have their own server, irc.linuxfromscratch.org. See http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/support.html
[07:50] <Crshman> Poscaenium: talk to the gentoo guys? hehehe
[07:50] <old> crshman: thanks. that did it..
[07:50] <Poscaenium> many thx for the info :)
[07:50] <fhqwghads> I'm having a problem with ubuntu, its only seeing my hard drive as 55 gigs when its 80 gigs
[07:50] <old> what file system should I use?  ext 3 or ext2?
[07:51] <Crshman> old: for what?
[07:51] <sebsebseb> dijital1: yeah those distros are good as well
[07:51] <old> format the drive  it's just for storage.
[07:51] <Poscaenium> I think ext3 is fine :)
[07:51] <Crshman> yeah ext3 should be good
[07:51] <Crshman> or ext4
[07:51] <old> thanks.
[07:51] <Crshman> git or mercurial hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:51] <WIGGMPk> ext4 is out now?
[07:52] <mboman> What is the current recommended way to start services and re-start them if they die? (I used to use DJBs daemontools, but maybe there is something better out there now?)
[07:52] <Crshman> WIGGMPk: it's been out for a while now
[07:52] <Poscaenium> it's experimental implemented in the kernel
[07:52] <sebsebseb> WIGGMPk: it's an option in the next Ubuntu, but Ext3 is still the default
[07:52] <Poscaenium> don't use it for important systems
[07:52] <Crshman> mboman: sudo /etc/init.d/<service> restart ?
[07:52] <dijital1> just what I use. I have an intrepid installation as my workstation, but other than putting it on the correct network and setting up nfs, I haven't dug very deep into how ubuntu/debian does /etc
[07:52] <WIGGMPk> where the heck have I been
[07:52] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: is it good to put it as the file system for Jaunty or not?
[07:52] <mboman> Crshman: too manual. I rather not baby-sit my server
[07:52] <Poscaenium> I would wait with ext4
[07:53] <Crshman> mboman: bash scripts to the rescue then =)
[07:53] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: untill when/
[07:53] <old> i used ext3
[07:53] <sebsebseb> ?
[07:53] <mboman> Crshman: DJB daemontools then
[07:53] <Crshman> I think ext4 is standard on fedora these days
[07:53] <WIGGMPk> how is Jaunty looking anyway? I know this isnt the channel for it
[07:53] <Poscaenium> wait until it is not marked as experimental in the kernel ;) You have at time just ext4 support, but it is not the favorit filesystem for Ubuntu
[07:53] <Crshman> and ext4 is forwards and backwards compat (genius!) so it's a painless upgrade
[07:54] <dijital1> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+service+restart
[07:54] <dijital1> :)
[07:54] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: not 100% sure what you mean by experimental in the kernel, but I know Gparted will have it as an optiion in next Ubuntu
[07:54] <fhqwghads> why would ubuntu not see all of my hard drive?
[07:54] <Crshman> fhqwghads: see if fdisk see's the whole drive
[07:54] <Poscaenium> experimental means that the kernel developers can't grant you that it will work without destroying data
[07:55] <fhqwghads> Crshman: ok, just do that through terminal?
[07:55] <Poscaenium> see it like a release candidate :)
[07:55] <Crshman> fhqwghads: yes
[07:55] <Crshman> fhqwghads: sudo fdisk /dev/<drive>
[07:55] <Gentoon1616> I did 'sudo passwd' and now the gnome sudo thing doesn"t work, how can I fix this please?
[07:55] <dijital1> i believe ext4 is going to be the default fs until possibly fedora 11
[07:55] <dijital1> in fedora 10, it's still ext3
[07:55] <elpargo> when people say that I always remind them of grud
[07:56] <therootest> hello :) I'm trying to use ekiga 2.0.2 in ubuntu 8.10 but I have a symmetric NAT, so STUN does not work properly. Can someone please help me?
[07:56] <Crshman> anyways, enough distractions I REALLY need to get back to coding.....if anyone can answer my question prefix with my name....kthnx
[07:56] <Poscaenium> ext4 is fine but it is "testing" at time (to say it in Debian language)
[07:56] <Crshman> Has anyone experienced windows freezing/not responding when maximized or made too large? I run the 180 nvidia drivers and a twinview dual screen setup with compiz enabled.....and eventually my windows will stop responding when I open them all the way....it's not application specific either
[07:56] <elpargo> there is nothing linux people will guarantee, experimental is just a label for new.
[07:56] <koshari> most of the advantages of ext4 wont be immediately relevent, its more futureproofing it
[07:57] <dijital1> with the way debian integrates things, ext4 won't be in a release until 2013 :)
[07:57] <dijital1> the debian developers ratehr
[07:57] <Frogzoo> what's ext4 got that ext3 doesn't?
[07:57] <Poscaenium> Take the rule: Don't change your system if it is not necessary.
[07:57] <sebsebseb> Ext4 is faster than Ext3 by a long way
[07:57] <defrysk> Frogzoo, speed
[07:57] <elpargo> Frogzoo: feature of course
[07:57] <Poscaenium> so if you have ext3 and it is working fine for you. keep it
[07:57] <koshari> Frogzoo well to begn with it supports volumes well above ext3
[07:57] <Gentoon1616> And once again I will have to goto the deian room to get support...
[07:57] <therootest> hello :) I'm trying to use ekiga 2.0.2 in ubuntu 8.10 but I have a symmetric NAT, so STUN does not work properly. Can someone please help me?
[07:57] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: or  go  Ext4 when it's the default file system for Ubuntu?
[07:58] <defrysk> and fscheck is many many times faster
[07:58] <Gentoon1616> debian
[07:58] <dijital1> it's no longer prime which makes it inferior
[07:58] <Poscaenium> than an upgrade is usefull, if it is the default
[07:58] <koshari> so when terabyte hard drives become the norm they will be comfortably supported
[07:58] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: yeah, but Ext3 can't just be upgraded to Ext4 anyway, so clean install
[07:58] <dijital1> reiserfs
[07:58] <dijital1> free hans
[07:59] <sebsebseb> koshari: that's hardware that's differnet
[07:59] <sebsebseb> dijital1: MurderFS no thanks, that guy murdered his wife.
[07:59] <Poscaenium> I think you shouldn't use it in a company at time if you are the administrator.
[07:59] <Poscaenium> Take a look and try it at a kvm.
[07:59] <sebsebseb> what about Ext4 for home use?
[07:59] <elpargo> poor hans :( he is crazy
[08:00] <dijital1> i would just wait
[08:00] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: kvm  I am not even sure how to get that working :(
[08:00] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: it's not as simple as just install and the gui thing as well, and it works
[08:00] <Frogzoo> hans reiser may be crazy, doesn't mean reiser fs is no good
[08:00] <dijital1> ext4 is going to be nice but I wouldn't run an experimental file system
[08:00] <Poscaenium> then use vmware :)
[08:00] <sebsebseb> dijital1: indeed
[08:00] <dijital1> it's not like running the alpha version of firefox. when the fs screws up, it's a really bad day
[08:00] <Poscaenium> kvm is not realy difficult
[08:00] <Frogzoo> I don't think reiser is crazy, just badly fucked up
[08:00] <sebsebseb> dijital1: indeed again
[08:00] <elpargo> Frogzoo: sadly it's down the toiled
[08:00] <fhqhghads> Crshman: I get this when using fdisk
[08:01] <Poscaenium> just install kvm qemu
[08:01] <fhqhghads> The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 38913. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs    (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
[08:01] <koshari> sebsebseb and software needs to be able to support hardware, ext3 will never support  1-EB (1-million-TB) file systems.
[08:01] <Frogzoo> elpargo: too bad
[08:01] <Poscaenium> than create a image with qemu-img (i think)
[08:01] <sebsebseb> Poscaenium: yeah I done qemu before that's fun to do as well, but I tend to use Virtualbox
[08:01] <dijital1> vmware for ftw imo. it's free, has great management tools and you'll be learning something that's actually marketable
[08:01] <Poscaenium> and load it with kvm (for mor infos take a look to "man qemu")
[08:01] <titon> hi i'm having some problem with hardy heron. i went back from intrepid cuz i had problems with the 96 drivers. The nvidia driver works great when it first was installed...i had compiz fusion with all the effects running good. but after reboot i get some vertical lines going across the splash screen and gdm is all flickering lines going across and i cant see the anything but that. its a geforce 4 go 440 with 96.43.05 drivers
[08:01] <dijital1> no one runs web farms on virtualbox or kvm
[08:01] <dijital1> not yet at least
[08:01] <elpargo> reiser was a really nice FS
[08:02] <sebsebseb> dijital1: VMware is not free as in price, unless it's  VMware player which sucks,  or Server which is ok
[08:02] <elpargo> xen!
[08:02] <dijital1> mmmm no
[08:02] <Poscaenium> i like qemu because you have just one image and can export it easy to other computers
[08:02] <titon> it works if i change to nv.....reboots...login......change to nvidia and shutdown computer and then boot it up. then the nvidia works but only once....and then it repeats it self
[08:02] <fhqhghads> dijital1 VMWare is a resource hogger, Virtual Box is freaking awesome
[08:02] <dijital1> you can actually download the server for free
[08:02] <sebsebseb> dijital1: also you need stupid vmx files in those,  and  vmdk files work in Virtualbox
[08:02] <dijital1> all you have to do is register
[08:02] <dijital1> it's free for non commercial use
[08:02] <Poscaenium> and it is very fast because kvm is in the kernel implementet
[08:02] <dijital1> nah...
[08:02] <dxdemetriou> Crshman, I just installed the 180 and it worked. just I'm somehow scared with this beta driver.. dkms worked ok before, just something wasn't right with the driver and gdm I think. I had similar problem before and I just switched to an older driver, but now to the newer
[08:02] <ziroday> Poscaenium: you can do that with virtualbox (and others) too
[08:02] <sebsebseb> workstation is not free
[08:03] <elpargo> rly? i'm running vmware in like 400MB per image that's good enough I think
[08:03] <dijital1> man I have a box with an amd cpu from 3 years ago and I've got 5 vms running it. 4 centos and 1 windows XP that have doing video encoding
[08:03] <Crshman> dxdemetriou: dkms works fine with my 180 driver my monitors sleep
[08:03] <dijital1> works lieka  champ
[08:03] <Poscaenium> I created with vmware the machine with the non free edition (so i can't start the machine). But the vmplayer can do it.
[08:03] <titon> anyone heard of this nvidia problem?
[08:04] <Gentoon1616> HELLO?
[08:04] <Crshman> titon: what nvidia problem?
[08:04] <Gentoon1616> God why is it so hard to get suppor here?
[08:04] <Gentoon1616> support.
[08:04] <dxdemetriou> Crshman, why are you using this beta? you had some problem before?
[08:04] <Crshman> Gentoon1616: ask your question?
[08:04] <Gentoon1616> This is the problem with bandwagon distros
[08:04] <Gentoon1616> I have 4 times...
[08:04] <Crshman> dxdemetriou: I had the window freeze issues with 177, so I figured that 180 *might* fix them, alas it did not
[08:04] <Poscaenium> Gentoo users are nown as gurus so i wondering why YOU have questions ?
[08:04] <Crshman> Gentoon1616: as again then
[08:04] <titon> hi i'm having some problem with hardy heron. i went back from intrepid cuz i had problems with the 96 drivers. The nvidia driver works great when it first was installed...i had compiz fusion with all the effects running good. but after reboot i get some vertical lines going across the splash screen and gdm is all flickering lines going across and i cant see the anything but that. its a geforce 4 go 440 with 96.43.05 drivers
[08:04] <titon> it works if i change to nv.....reboots...login......change to nvidia and shutdown computer and then boot it up. then the nvidia works but only once....and then it repeats it self
[08:05] <Frogzoo> Gentoon1616: well obviously we haven't seen your question, or don't know tha answer
[08:05] <dijital1> mmm
[08:05] <elpargo> gentoo is the best os out there, sadly it requires way too much time
[08:05] <Louis> Back with another question:  Since XFS doesn't have an undelete utility, does that make it in any way more resistant to forensic analysis?
[08:05] <ZykoticK9> re: Virtualization -- one HUGE advantage to both KVM and VirtualBox over VMWare is support for VT-x/AMD-V (the hardware virtualization support in modern CPUs), i'm sure part of the reason you aren't allowed to post benchmarks of VMWare products -- so slow in comparison
[08:05] <dijital1> ther was a tool a while back for automagically getting nvidia cards working under ubuntu
[08:05] <dijital1> Envy I think it is
[08:05] <Frogzoo> elpargo: gentoo is a waste of electricity
[08:05] <dijital1> ummm
[08:05] <titon> i tried with envy
[08:05] <Gentoon1616> Crshman: I did 'sudo paswd" and now everytime ubuntu askes me for root password in a lil box it gives me an error and doesn't work
[08:05] <Crshman> Louis: nothing is foolproof
[08:05] <dijital1> vmware supports the vmx extension
[08:05] <elpargo> ZykoticK9: interesting to know.
[08:05] <titon> i used envy....and the properiatre drivers....compiled my own.....
[08:06] <elpargo> Frogzoo: you have never had to manage a secure and or optimal system right?
[08:06] <Poscaenium> sudo chpwd root THEN set a pwd and you can logon with root
[08:06] <Louis> Crshman:  obviously =)  I was just wondering if it made it more resistant as opposed to, say, Reiser or ext3
[08:06] <Crshman> try #sudo ls does it ask you for root pass?
[08:06] <titon> thing is it used to work great with 8.04 thats why i went back...
[08:06] <Crshman> Louis: I wouldn't bet on it
[08:06] <elpargo> gentoo is so not for desktops
[08:06] <dijital1> if you enable VMX in any santa rosa or newer processor, vmware can/does take advantage of it
[08:06] <Gentoon1616> Lol yes it is
[08:06] <Poscaenium> or just simply type sudo -s when you don't like to use a root user instantly
[08:06] <Crshman> elpargo: gentoo is for whatever you want it to be, assuming you want to put the time in
[08:06] <Gentoon1616> Gentoo is for whatever you want it to be for
[08:06] <elpargo> sigh...
[08:06] <Frogzoo> elpargo: ah, you're assuming
[08:07] <elpargo> don't be stupid please. I'm talking practicallity
[08:07] <Gentoon1616> It was esigned for power desktops and servers...
[08:07] <elpargo> you can run linux from scratch as your desktop
[08:07] <Poscaenium> Gentoo is the next step after LFS ;)
[08:07] <Gentoon1616> designed... and so am I
[08:07] <Crshman> elpargo: if you want it to be a desktop by all means go for it...it can do it just fine
[08:07] <elpargo> sigh...
[08:07] <elpargo> for the record I was almost a gentoo dev some years ago.
[08:07] <Poscaenium> you have to do each config by yourself that's good but not always the best solution
[08:07] <Crshman> "practical" is relative
[08:07] <dxdemetriou> I can't believe it.. Now there is an option in "Hardware drivers" for 180 as recommended :S
[08:08] <elpargo> I even wrote ebuilds for it.
[08:08] <elpargo> and you need to learn when things fit.
[08:08] <elpargo> recompiling X for a z release is not in x.y.z  is NOT for a desktop
[08:08] <Crshman> again "practical" is relative....what might not be practical for you could be fine for others....I know many compatriots that run gentoo as a desktop system just fine
[08:09] <elpargo> Crshman: right I used to be one.
[08:09] <therootest> hello :) I'm trying to use ekiga 2.0.2 in ubuntu 8.10 but I have a symmetric NAT, so STUN does not work properly.  It comes down to each their own, really. ;)
[08:11] <Poscaenium> ubuntu server edition is not so finde ... it sucks a little bit. In this case better use debian.   Virtualbox  does the set up stuff for people
[08:14] <dijital1> what does that matter?
[08:14] <elpargo> sebastien: will virtualbox run on macos?
[08:14] <sebsebseb> elpargo: yes it does
[08:14] <Crshman> sebsebseb: have you tried moving a vbox vmachine to another physical box? ;)
[08:14] <rdw200169> yes, virtualbox is excellent, you can even get USB support....
[08:14] <dijital1> unless you're a developer, why do you care if oyu have acces tot he code or not
[08:15] <CosmiChaos> cannot format or save anything to any floppy butnautilus and my floppy-drive claim that they wrote stuff (noises, file-operations). after every remount the changes ar elost, any idea?
[08:15] <sebsebseb> Crshman: that shoudn't be to bad, as long as it was a dynamicalley expanding hard disk image
[08:15] <sebsebseb> Crshman: and yes I have done it once I think
[08:15] <Poscaenium> you can use qemu und kvm more with scripts --> that's very fine
[08:15] <elpargo> dijital1: I normally prefer the OS alternative even if I don't ever code on it.
[08:15] <koshari> dijital1 because it means OTHER people have access to the code.
[08:15] <Crshman> sebsebseb: the .vmx file that holds all the configuration for vmware makes it easy and painless....no need to recreate the config in vbox
[08:15] <sebsebseb> Crshman: you don't recreate teh config
[08:15] <sebsebseb> Crshman: just copy the hidden  .virtualbox  folder from home
[08:15] <elpargo> koshari: that too, if maybe some day I need/want something I'll dive in.
[08:15] <Crshman> but I use vmware because vbox doesn't support my garmin device
[08:16] <elpargo> anyone with some info on the RAM?
[08:16] <Crshman> elpargo: >4gb == good
[08:16] <rdw200169> elpargo, yes, from my svn checkout, theres some stuff for darwin, so i'm assuming that it works natively with macos
[08:16] <dijital1> *shurg..* just use whichever works best for you, but I just wanted to point out that you can actually run vmware for free
[08:16] <bigbrovar> for those that disabled pulse audio. how do you get flash videos like in youtube to play sounds?
[08:16] <elpargo> how about the setup? with vmware fusion you simple install like a "normal" os.
[08:16] <Poscaenium> by the way don't try to use games in a vm by running windows - it sucks - you will lost 30 % of your machine power.
[08:16] <sebsebseb> well something I like to point out, is  you can run vmdk files without needing a vmx,  in virtualbox
[08:17] <elpargo> Crshman: ehh I was talking per image. Ram usage of the program not how much you need to make it fine.
[08:17] <Crshman> haha
[08:17] <sebsebseb> elpargo: I haven't used fushion or workstation,  only   player and server
[08:17] <dijital1> I run fusion on my MBP
[08:17] <Poscaenium> fusion is only for mac
[08:17] <elpargo> Poscaenium: totally it is not supposed for that anyway that is what dualboot was invented for.
[08:17] <dijital1> and server on the linux box at home
[08:17] <Crshman> Has anyone experienced windows freezing/not responding when maximized or made too large? I run the 180 nvidia drivers and a twinview dual screen setup with compiz enabled.....and eventually my windows will stop responding when I open them all the way....it's not application specific either
[08:17] <sebsebseb> yeah that  Mac bootcamp for Winblows :D
[08:17] <sebsebseb> I don't have a Mac, but bootcamp did seem interesting
[08:17] <dijital1> no bootcamp here
[08:18] <Poscaenium> MAC is just working on a darwin kernel with freebsd
[08:18] <dijital1> windows is relegated to a file on my hd. just as it should be
[08:18] <Poscaenium> no linux, but okay ;)
[08:18] <sebsebseb> dijital1: indeed Windows  doesna't really deserve to be on a hard disk properly
[08:18] <Crshman> ^
[08:18] <sebsebseb> dijital1: ,but sometimes it has to be, because of some  program
[08:18] <elpargo> sebastien: it's noting mroe than a fancy dual boot.
[08:18] <dxdemetriou> Crshman, you mean that everything on desktop, panels etc stop responding?
[08:19] <elpargo> any self respecting techy could do the same in the same time.
[08:19] <sebsebseb> Crshman: the up arrow saying you agree with me?
[08:19] <azlon_> what is the command to delete a file?
[08:19] <ZykoticK9> azlon_, rm
[08:19] <elpargo> sebsebseb: until game makes realize game players hate windows, we are stuck with it.
[08:19] <dijital1> the macos kernel is actually xnu no darwin. and the fbsd code is mainly in the networking stack
[08:19] <elpargo> Poscaenium: actually it's a darwin kernel + a BSD-like OS.
[08:19] <dijital1> WoW runs on macos. what else do you really need? :)
[08:20] <sebsebseb> elpargo: well I am not personalley, but with 1GB RAM, I don't think Vista will run in a vm.   as a result I still dual boot,  but I hardly boot up Vista
[08:20] <azlon_> ZykoticK9: thanks!!! i was doing rem...
[08:20] <elpargo> dijital1: I'm talking about games here..
[08:20] <sebsebseb> elpargo: I don't really need VIsta on dual boot, but it can be good to have at times
[08:20] <Crshman> sebsebseb: yes
[08:20] <elpargo> sebsebseb: I got 2 GB here and it boots fine.
[08:20] <elpargo> well for games use XP.
[08:20] <dijital1> mmm no. the kernel is xnu. "darwin" is the opensource project name given by people that are developing it but macos is 3 major parts
[08:20] <Poscaenium> MAC os is a touch to much comerz for me, but a mac will always be better than windows
[08:20] <sebsebseb> XP  on this computer on the hard disk for real and I needed some sound driver, I never figured out what