[02:22] <blr_> wgrant: using zope interfaces, is it possible to express that a concerete class should implement one _or_ another method but not both?
[02:30] <wgrant> blr_: No.
[02:30] <wgrant> blr_: What are you trying to do?
[02:32] <blr_> wgrant: oh, not trying to do that, was discussing zope interfaces with someone and that came up.
[07:54] <blr> wgrant: have added a new doctest for product +setbranch, however I'm matching elements against browser.contents
[07:54] <blr> assuming it would be better to have a helper?
[07:54] <wgrant> blr: There are a few helpers around already. None did what you need?
[07:55] <blr> well, I want it to match a specific element for vcs
[07:56] <blr> e.g. I currently have ">>> '<dl id="product-vcs">' in browser.contents"
[07:56] <wgrant> blr: A number of tests use BeautifulSoup for that.
[07:57] <blr> I'll dig around and look at more of the doctests.
[08:21] <blr> hmm, lots of gpg-coc stories blowing up, would be surprised if they're regressions
[08:32] <blr> wgrant: does bin/retest work reliably for you? it seems to hang with no output.
[08:33] <wgrant> blr: You need to give it the list of failures from bin/test in one of two ways: a file specified at the commandline, or the raw text given to stdin.
[08:34] <wgrant> If you don't specify a filename it will await input.
[08:36] <blr> hah ok, not as magical as I had hoped :)
[08:37] <wgrant> If you want properly magical, consider testrepository.
[09:17] <cjwatson> blr: Does it have to be a doctest, notwithstanding the existing stuff that does that?  You can often do this pretty well in unit tests.
[10:58] <cjwatson> wgrant: webhooks proxy> good idea.  I'd be inclined to just use squid as then we don't have to write a new charm at all.
[10:59] <cjwatson> I'm sure we can control requests' proxy settings accurately enough.
[11:00] <wgrant> Yep, as long as we're careful that should be fine.
[11:00] <cjwatson> I'll get an RT in for an initial sanity check and a stagingstack tenant.
[11:00] <wgrant> Need to check the PS4 egress firewalls thoroughly, but it should be fine.
[11:01] <wgrant> block <IP_ADDRESS>/8 and all our IP ranges except archive and blah blah blah
[11:01] <cjwatson> Yeah
[11:01] <wgrant> (except when people want to webhook internal hosts. but then we can open those up.)
[11:02] <wgrant> I'll raise it on the IS call in 9 hours.
[11:02] <cjwatson> Thanks.
[11:37] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=81258
[11:41] <cjwatson> (I forgot to specifically mention the needed access from ackee, but we can sort that out as we go.)
[11:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: The instances probably want floating IPs if only so they have sane reverse DNS, but otherwise that looks good. Thanks.
[12:50] <cjwatson> wgrant: Indeed, just didn't mention that because that can't be done until we have a spec deployed.
[15:39] <cjwatson> bigjools: William made the change you asked for to default new private archives to 20GiB rather than 2GiB; that's live now.
[20:32] <blr> cjwatson: I added doctests to mirror the existing ones for series setbranch. Do we want to consider them generally deprecated at his point?
[20:32] <wgrant> blr: Yes, doctests are quite deprecated.
[20:32] <blr> I'm not that fond of them tbh
[20:32] <wgrant> It's okay to add to them when that's substantially lower friction than adding a unit test, but it is discouraged.
[20:33] <blr> I'll get the unit tests in place this morning, and perhaps you can judge if we should just drop the new doctests entirely when you review the branch
[20:35] <blr> wgrant: oh, regarding push instructions, was thinking the nicest thing to do perhaps is display them based on the toggle state of default vcs on project setbranch
[20:42] <blr> wgrant, cjwatson: one other wee thing, in the case where we infer vcs default from BranchCollection, git will be set as the default in the case where there are both bzr and git branches - is that acceptable? I figured that was the right approach given we want to generally consider bzr deprecated.
[20:43] <wgrant> That sounds reasonable to me.
[20:43] <wgrant> blr: Which push instructions?
[20:44] <cjwatson> Agreed, also we can mostly assume that people will be migrating from bzr to git rather than the other way round.
[20:44] <blr> push intructions at the top of +setbranch
[20:44] <blr> currently only for bzr
[20:45] <cjwatson> Similar for Product:+branches and probably various other places
[20:46] <wgrant> Product:+branches isn't really affected; it'll show whatever the current view is.
[20:46] <cjwatson> True, +setbranch has a more awkward choice to make
[20:46] <blr> I just thought that might be nice, to toggle between git and bzr intructions on the right hand side based on the vcs default selected
[20:48] <blr> possibly it isn't even useful there, the code index view is really where you expect to see it.
[20:56] <wgrant> +setbranch should have it, as that's probably the place you go when you create a new project.
[21:38] <bigjools> cjwatson: wgrant: thanks a million, that's awesome
[21:40] <wgrant> bigjools: np
[23:23] <blr> wgrant: added a view test for default vcs to TestProductView - is there an equivalent set of tests for setbranch somewhere, or only doctests?
[23:25] <wgrant> blr: I can't see any non-doctests.
[23:25] <blr> ok, thanks for confirming, that's what I thought.
[23:54] <blr> wgrant: `bin/test -cvvt xx-` should be catching all doctests yes?
[23:56] <wgrant> blr: That should catch most of the browser doctests.
[23:57] <wgrant> But that's not usually an interesting pattern.
[23:57] <wgrant> -t registry.*product or something might be more interesting.
[23:57] <wgrant> Or -t code.*product
[23:58] <blr> wgrant: I found some regressions in translations, which I probably would not have noticed. I should probably just run the entire suite.
[23:58] <wgrant> blr: That's buildbot's job.
[23:58] <wgrant> Running the entire test suite takes more than three hours on my overclocked Haswell desktop.
[23:58] <wgrant> But you could grep for tests that reference setbranch, for example.
[23:59] <blr> okay, thanks


[07:24] <wooo> hey guys I have a doubt about vnode. I think the inode for a specific file system is the vnode for virtual file system. Am I right?
[07:36] <ppisati> moin
[07:49] <wooo> guys please help !!
[07:51] <wooo> hey guys I have a doubt about vnode. I think the inode for a specific file system is the vnode for virtual file system. Am I right?
[09:08]  * apw yawns
[09:20] <ppisati> brb
[10:27] <cnf> apw: package is working now, btw
[10:27] <cnf> apw: ugly, ugly hacks, but it works :P
[10:29] <apw> cnf, send it back, and don't forget the brick
[10:29] <cnf> indeed :P
[10:29] <cnf> and the herpes!
[10:29] <apw> too true
[10:38] <apw> ppisati, well it hasn't crashed yet
[10:38] <apw> ppisati, and none of the 'regular' oopsy things we used to see in dmesg
[10:39] <apw> ppisati, now if you could just add a patch to make teh cpus 4x faster ...
[10:40] <ppisati> apw: just wait for the new panda omap5, i heard it's so awesome (when it comes out) :)
[10:41] <apw> ppisati, heh sounds good, the build will likely still running when they do :)
[13:00] <smb> apw, So just for additional info, it seems that indeed an objdump -g on the raring ddeb gives me nothing while it seems still ok for the vmlinux file. But the modules in debian/build seem to be stripped already. Got a log of that build to look at
[13:01] <apw> smb, ok ... likely it is something to do with module signing, so perhaps i should poke it ?
[13:01] <apw> that alll caused chaos when we first added it, as it changes where things are
[13:02] <smb> If you have the time. I may have a bit too, but then I have not looked into the whole signing issue the first place
[13:11] <jjohansen> bjf: I'll be in at about 7:30
[13:14] <smb> apw, Hm, CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO seems to be gone
[13:15] <smb> ah no
[13:15] <smb> still there
[13:15] <ogra_> its stable enough now ... screw debugging
[13:17] <smb> apw, Interestingly only amd64 =y i386 =n
[13:24] <apw> smb, doh ... will look into it ...
[13:24] <smb> apw, more doh... the same vmlinux has output on the raring objdump -g but nothing on precise objdump -g
[13:26] <smb> apw, probably whatever that output is, its not the things I tried to look for
[14:16] <ppisati> apw: is your panda still ok?
[14:18] <apw> ppisati, yes and no panics indeed no dmesg messages since 13s after boot
[14:18] <apw> ppisati, and it has been up 4 hours
[14:18] <ppisati> apw: nice, then we can safely assume that patch fixed it
[14:18] <apw> ppisati, i would say so, about 15m was the best i got before
[14:18] <rtg_> ppisati, apw is that with a DT kernel ?
[14:19] <apw> rtg_, thats the 'unified' kernel
[14:19] <rtg_> DT == device tree kernel
[14:19] <ppisati> rtg_: our img don't use DT by default
[14:19] <ppisati> rtg_: but if you modify the uEnv.txt, it works
[14:19] <apw> but they are unified :)
[14:19] <rtg_> cool
[14:21] <rtg_> apw, on a different topic, shouldn't 'apt-get autoremove' be removing old kernel in raring ?
[14:21] <apw> rtg_, if you didn't install them by hand yes
[14:21] <rtg_> hmm
[14:22] <rtg_> apw, ok, looks like it removes them but doesn't purge them
[14:23] <apw> rtg_, does headers or image contain anything a purge would make go away any harder
[14:23] <rtg_> apw, huh ? a 'dpkg -P' makes the listing go away
[14:23] <apw> ahh you mean you can still see the old package names yeah
[14:25] <rtg_> apw, so, some are marked 'rc', but most are still 'ii'. the 'ii' kernels are the ones I would expect to get removed, but I may have installed them by hand
[14:25] <apw> righjt if you installed it by hand, then it is marked as permenant
[14:26] <rtg_> apw, I've seen them cleanup on gomeisa and tangerine, so that capability must have been backported
[14:26] <apw> apt-mark showmanual linux-\*
[14:26] <apw> rtg_, yes it has, that will show which it thinks you installed manually
[14:27] <apw> rtg_, yes it has, that will show which it thinks you installed manually
[14:27] <apw> apt-mark showmanual linux-\*
[14:32]  * smb thinks there is a flaw in the matrix
[14:42] <apw> yeah :)
[14:48] <rtg_> 3.9 is telling me my SB server is insane. arch/x86/kernel/smpboot.c:324 topology_sane.isra.2+0x6f/0x80()
[14:48] <rtg_> sched: CPU #1's llc-sibling CPU #0 is not on the same node! [node: 1 != 0]. Ignoring dependency.
[15:34] <xnox> reboot syscall supports passing a string which is used as rebootcommand further down the stack. Thus for example on nexus7 one can "reboot bootloader" to reboot into fastboot/flashing mode.
[15:34] <xnox> is there any way to discover supported reboot commands from the running kernel/sysfs/etc?
[15:35] <xnox> Because we may want to expose these features to the user in the future of e.g. UEFI Fastboot modes and/or booting multiple operating systems on devices (e.g. reboot into recovery)
[15:36] <xnox> apw ^ would you know about this?
[15:36]  * xnox got lost in per-arch trees in the kernel sources.
[15:45]  * ogasawara back in 20
[16:11] <avoine> ppisati: Hi, if you have 2 min, I would like to test your multi-plateform kernel on a imx6 board and I have some questions about the installation.
[16:11] <ppisati> avoine: i'm here, shot
[16:11] <avoine> Do you know if there is some documentation about the u-boot part?
[16:11] <avoine> Right now, I have the linaro's U-boot and image installed from here: https://wiki.linaro.org/Boards/MX6QSabreLite
[16:12] <avoine> but I think it won't work unless I update the u-boot for ubuntu
[16:15] <ppisati> avoine: we never released an official ubuntu img for imx6
[16:16] <ppisati> avoine: do you have uboot on imx6's flash? and do you read the kernel from sd?
[16:16] <ppisati> avoine: if yes, you should be ok
[16:17] <avoine> yeah it boot from SD
[16:17] <avoine> ppisati: ^
[16:18] <avoine> ppisati: ok, I'll try to update the kernel to the latest one and see if it boot
[16:19] <ppisati> avoine: would you use the .deb? or would you build the zimage from src?
[16:19] <avoine> ppisati: the deb
[16:19] <ppisati> avoine: in the first case, flash-kernel will complain (-omap doesn't match your arch)
[16:20] <ppisati> avoine: so be aware that you need some hacking on it
[16:20] <ppisati> avoine: ping me and i'll try to dig up what exactly do you have to do
[16:20] <ppisati> avoine: if you can't figure out
[16:20] <avoine> ppisati: ok, thanks
[17:04]  * ppisati goes for some sweating... later...
[17:06] <doanac> bjf: i've added a comment to bug 1092924.
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1092924 in UTAH "Cobbler install of recent raring-desktop images failing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092924
[17:07] <doanac> I think the easiest way to help move forward would be to give you access so that you can re-produce and poke around.
[17:08] <bjf> doanac, the easiest way was for you to find a kernel / iso that was successfully working.
[17:08] <doanac> bjf: i can't find an ISO that does work
[18:27]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[21:08]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[21:37] <infinity> zequence: Around?
[21:37] <zequence> infinity: Yep
[21:37] <infinity> zequence: Once bjf sorts out the bugs so you're working on the right one, there's a fairly urgent (quantal-only) lowlatency rebase needed.
[21:38] <bjf> zequence, bug 1132942 is the one to use, i'll fix any others
[21:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1132942 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux-lowlatency: <version to be filled> -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1132942
[21:40] <zequence> Ok, so I'll do a rebase shortly and let you know when it's done
[21:41] <infinity> bjf: According to your lts-q changelog, you seem to have broken your stated "use the oldest bug" rule. ;)
[21:41] <infinity> bjf: (Not that it matter, just make sure you close the right ones)
[21:41] <bjf> infinity, i refused to wait so i created that one by hand :-)
[21:41] <infinity> bjf: But it's newer than the others. :P
[21:42] <bjf> infinity, i was busy working on it and had not refreshed so i missed the fact that shankbot created it for me
[21:42] <infinity> Ahh.
[21:42] <infinity> Twice, no less.
[21:42] <infinity> Overzealous bot.
[21:44] <bjf> impatient me
[21:46] <zequence> infinity: Who's doing the pulling?
[21:46] <infinity> bjf or apw, I imagine.
[21:46] <infinity> apw: If you're around and feel like helping zequence.
[21:47] <zequence> apw: quantal source ready to be pulled
[21:47] <bjf> zequence, where from?
[21:48] <zequence> It's at https://github.com/zequence/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git
[21:48] <zequence> branch lowlatency
[21:49] <infinity> zequence: You should make the bug reference an actual closure.
[21:49] <infinity> ie: have the magic sequence "LP: #1132942"
[21:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1132942 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux-lowlatency: <version to be filled> -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1132942
[21:50] <zequence> Ah, sorry. I messed it up this time.
[21:50] <infinity> You messed it up last time too, by omitting the space.  I had to close your bug by hand. :)
[21:50] <zequence> infinity: There's a bot scanning for that, right?
[21:52] <infinity> zequence: Not a bot, per se.  When you build a source package, things with the proper syntax get torn out of the changelog and put in a special field in .changes
[21:52] <infinity> zequence: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132343151/linux-lts-quantal_3.5.0-25.39~precise1_source.changes
[21:52] <infinity> zequence: ^-- See "Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed:" in there.
[21:52] <infinity> zequence: The archive then obeys that to auto-close bugs on accept.
[21:53] <infinity> zequence: So, broken syntax means no closures.  If you use vim, it actually highlights bug closures in gold, so they show up as correct.
[21:53] <bjf> zequence, is your tree the authoritative tree, we are missing a number of rebases from out git repo. does apw normally just build and upload a package based on your git repo?
[21:53] <zequence> infinity: I see. I'll try to be more careful with the changelog. Should I make some changes, and reapply the last git tag?
[21:54] <zequence> bjf: I don't know how apw does. I know one time (again a problem with the changelog :( ), he added one commit to change that, and uploaded it to his own tree at kernel.ubuntu.com
[21:55] <bjf> zequence, ack
[21:55] <zequence> ..or pushed
[21:56] <bjf> infinity, looks like i don't have upload rights for linux-signed-lts-quantal :-(
[21:57] <infinity> bjf: Irksome.  Ask stgraber to fix that?
[21:57] <infinity> stgraber: ^
[21:58] <stgraber> bjf: added
[21:58] <bjf> stgraber, can you check sconklin as well? thanks
[21:58] <stgraber> bjf: anyone with rights to the packageset will be fine now. That source simply wasn't in the set.
[21:59] <bjf> stgraber, ah, thanks
[21:59] <bjf> infinity, do i need to do a new package or can i just try again?
[22:02] <stgraber> bjf: just retry
[22:02] <bjf> stgraber, thanks
[22:03] <zequence> infinity: bjf: I've deleted the tag, and redoing it now. Hope that doesn't mess anything up for you?
[22:03] <bjf> zequence, nope, i'm going to leave for apw and then i'll talk to him about how he normally does this
[22:04] <bjf> zequence, i'd think that if your tree was authoritative, you'd just be producing souce packages which he could sponsor for you
[22:06] <zequence> bjf: I think that's the plan, yes. For now, he has been doing the packages.
[22:06] <bjf> zequence, ack
[22:33] <bjf> infinity, ok, i just reuploaded the same pkg again that was rejected, i guess i'll roll the version and upload another
[22:36] <bjf> infinity, this is a pita
[22:37] <infinity> bjf: Hrm?  Shouldn't have needed to rev the version if the first was rejected.
[22:40] <bjf> infinity, actually, it wasn't the signed pkg that was rejected
[23:22] <bjf> infinity, you still around?
[23:23] <bjf> infinity, i think i know what i did, i uploaded it to the wrong pocket
[23:27] <infinity> bjf: Oh?  Pockets don't matter to PPAs.
[23:28] <infinity> bjf: Oh, you uploaded directly to the archive. :)
[23:29] <bjf> infinity, yes, i'm out of practice
[23:29] <infinity> bjf: Want me to reject that one, and we can use the PPA instead?  Doesn't actually matter to me, we can just use the archive one.
[23:29] <infinity> bjf: It has to rebuild in the archive ANYWAY (we don't copy those binaries from the PPA), so no big deal.
[23:29] <infinity> bjf: I'll just accept the one in the queue after I copy the kernel.
[23:30] <infinity> bjf: Work for you?
[23:30]  * infinity -> food.
[23:30] <bjf> infinity, linux-lts-quantal_3.5.0-25.39~precise1 this was rejected and the signed-lts pkg is waiting
[23:30] <infinity> Yeah, I'm looking at the queue right now.
[23:31] <bjf> infinity, if you can make it just work, do so, otherwise let me know if i need to re-upload
[23:31] <infinity> So, what I'm saying is that when the linux-lts-quantal in the PPA is done building, I'll copy it, and accept the linux-signed-lts-quantal that's in the queue.
[23:31] <infinity> That'll work fine.
[23:31] <infinity> I'll get to it after dinner.
[23:32] <bjf> ok, i'll not do anything at this point, i'll be around if you need me to do anything
[23:32] <bjf> infinity, ^
[23:52] <infinity> bjf: Err, what I need you to do is not botch the linux-lts-quantal upload.  I didn't look at that carefully. :/
[23:53] <bjf> infinity, ack
[23:53] <bjf> infinity, do i need to roll the version number or just upload correctly this time?
[23:53] <infinity> Maybe I can fix that with a copy.
[23:56] <infinity> bjf: Can you try running this (I don't have rights to the PPA) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5566371/
[23:57] <infinity> bjf: Assuming you have ubuntu-archive-tools checked out somewhere.
[23:57] <bjf> ack
[23:57] <infinity> bjf: You can't reupload, since it's the same version, but a copy should work, since the binaries never built.
[23:58] <infinity> (Depending on whatever artificial constraints the PPA may have)
[23:58] <infinity> If that doesn't work, I'll cheat and copy it to the security PPA to build it there. :P
[23:59] <bjf> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:59] <bjf>   File "./copy-package", line 27, in <module>
[23:59] <bjf>     from ubuntutools.question import YesNoQuestion
[23:59] <bjf> ImportError: No module named ubuntutools.question
[23:59] <bjf> infinity, ^
[23:59] <infinity> That can't be a recent checkout of ubuntu-archive-tools...
[23:59] <bjf> infinity, i'm on precise by the way
[23:59] <bjf> i just did: bzr branch bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/


[00:00] <jakobks> sorry
[00:00] <jakobks> its verly fucked, its says that error when i try to make a site command to my ftp server
[00:46] <xperia> hello people. this question is maybe asked allready a few times but why i cant create a mysql table with this command here
[00:46] <xperia> "sudo mysqladmin -uroot create gallery2
[00:46] <xperia> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[00:46] <xperia> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[00:48] <xperia> do i need really to setup first a password for mysql before i can use it ?
[00:56] <xperia> hmmm i catn even setup the password for the user root !
[00:56] <xperia> mysqladmin -u root password ********
[00:56] <xperia> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[00:56] <xperia> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[01:03] <zash> duno about mysqlamin, but you run `mysql -u root -p******`
[01:03] <qman__> xperia, you set the root password when you install mysql
[01:03] <zroysch> hello
[01:04] <zroysch> i'm trying to install rubyripper on ubuntu server. its giving me an error when i try and configure without gtk
[01:04] <zroysch> http://pastebin.ca/1674233
[01:04] <xperia> qman: till yet i didnt used mysql nor i touched it !
[01:04] <zroysch> since i dont have a gui
[01:04] <xperia> so the password was not set til yet !
[01:04] <qman__> xperia, it's part of the install process, when you install mysql, it asks you to put in a password
[01:05] <qman__> that is the mysql root password
[01:05] <xperia> hmmmm in this case i cant remember it anymore
[01:05] <qman__> xperia, a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server' should do it, I think
[01:05] <xperia> ahh okay will try !
[01:09] <xperia> qman_: for some reason "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server" wont work !
[01:09] <qman__> zroysch, I don't know enough about that package, but it looks to me like you need another option to disable the GTK part
[01:11] <qman__> xperia, try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0'
[01:11] <qman__> xperia, if that doesn't work, this is the manual way: http://ubuntu.flowconsult.at/en/mysql-set-change-reset-root-password/
[01:12] <xperia> qman_: that works great ! was able to change my lost password !
[01:12] <zroysch> qman__: yea i tried using ./configure --disable-gtk2 --enable-cli
[01:12] <zroysch> seem to get the exact same result
[05:37] <sqrrl> I've got a question. I'm trying to setup a virtualhost. Everything appears to be setup correctly but something isn't working properly. When I try to view my domain through a browser it timesout. When I run dig from my home computer everything appears to be setup properly. Anyone have any clue what might be going on here?
[05:37] <sqrrl> I'm not much of a server admin
[07:57] <macrocosm> Is it logical to use ubuntus built in virtualization in the Amazon cloud?  I'm thinking id like to separate my database and mail servers from my main web server.  I will have a large instance with a high availability setup so I don't see any reason why resources would be a problem.
[07:57] <macrocosm> Im thinking it may save me some money over creating separate instances for each?
[08:00] <macrocosm> Seems to make sense to me but I was wondering if there were any big reasons not to that I have missed in my research.
[08:21] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with creating certificates?
[08:22] <twb> !anyone
[08:22] <billybigrigger> i'm trying to follow the server guide, and trying to create a non-passphrase key for my internet deamons, apache, postfix, etc
[08:22] <twb> billybigrigger: go on
[08:22] <billybigrigger> well i can't seem to create a key without a passphrase
[08:22] <billybigrigger> i could sit here and hit enter all night when it asks for one
[08:26] <twb> Don't you just hit Return?
[08:26] <billybigrigger> ya, and then it asks for a passphrase again
[08:26] <billybigrigger> and again...
[08:26] <billybigrigger> and again...
[08:26] <billybigrigger> you get the idea :P
[08:27] <twb> I haven't made an ssl keypair in a while, but I thought it was just like making a passphraseless ssh keypair.
[09:57] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: I just followed the instructions for creating a self-signed cert in https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html and they worked fine here.
[09:58] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Note that those instructions *do* need to you use a real passphrase at some points in the process, even to create an insecure key.
[10:14] <dayo> in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf can next-server be the IP of the local machine, if that's where tftp is going to be installed?
[10:23] <_ruben> dayo: cant think of a reason why it wouldnt work .. unless "local machine" is the client in this context ;)
[10:24] <dayo> _ruben: no, local is not the client. it's the dhcp server for a subnet
[10:24] <GammelSokk> mine \ NoPE
[10:26] <maxagaz> how to run an application on a distant machine from ssh ?
[10:26] <maxagaz> an application like firefox
[10:26] <maxagaz> i need to run it so that it appears on the remote computer's screen
[10:27] <zash> maxagaz: ssh -X firefox --something
[10:28] <zash> maxagaz: ssh remotehost -X firefox --something
[10:28] <maxagaz> --something ?
[10:28] <zash> maxagaz: i remember something about firefox needing some option or it will start a local instance somehow
[10:29] <maxagaz> --display=DISPLAY ?
[10:29] <maxagaz> but how to list the display i can use ?
[10:29] <zash> no, that's automagicaly handled by ssh
[10:30] <zash> with a env var
[10:34] <maxagaz> I tried to ssh on the machine and then "firefox --display :0.0", but it doesn't work
[10:35] <zash> maxagaz: firefox "does some funky x11 signaling to maintain one instance" according to google
[10:35] <maxagaz> there's no instance of firefox on my machine
[10:36] <zash> ssh -N -X remotehost firefox -no-remote
[10:36] <zash> try that
[10:36] <zash> or
[10:36] <zash> skip -N
[10:37] <zash> -N = don't execute remote command ...
[10:38] <zash> was confusing stuff with setting upp ssh-proxies
[10:38] <maxagaz> it doesn't work
[10:39] <maxagaz> let's try with gcalctool
[10:40] <maxagaz> how to run it on the display of the distant machine ?
[10:40] <zash> wait
[10:40] <zash> hm
[10:40] <zash> ssh remotehost
[10:40] <zash> DISPLAY=:0.0 someprogram
[10:40] <zash> if you want to run on that computers host
[10:41] <zash> i thougt you wanted x11-forwarding to your local screen
[10:43] <maxagaz> i tried this: DISPLAY=:0.0 gcalctool
[10:43] <maxagaz> but it didn't work
[10:44] <maxagaz> it didn't appear on the remote computer's screen
[10:44] <zash> can you run echo $DISPLAY in a terminal directly on the remote?
[10:45] <maxagaz> zash, nothing is echoed
[10:46] <zash> as in
[10:46] <zash> not over ssh
[10:46] <zash> but can you ssh -X remote gcalctool
[10:47] <maxagaz> yes I can
[10:48] <zash> is it the same user that owns the x session on remote?
[10:49] <RoyK> yes
[10:52] <maxagaz> yes
[11:02] <alvin> If you want DISPLAY=... to work, you need to run X without '-nolisten tcp' (default settings)
[11:35] <acalvo> anyone using gnawrl?
[11:50] <majuk> Hey guys, I'm really sucking wind trying to set up my bind server. digs on the domain result in SERVFAIL, so clearly something in my zone config is incorrect. Here it is. Feel free to mock me. http://dpaste.org/VKZn/
[11:56] <Jeeves_>  // in a bind zone?
[11:56] <Jeeves_> Comments start with ;
[11:57] <acalvo> majuk: there is an utility to check the zones
[11:57] <acalvo> can't remember the name now
[11:58] <acalvo> but google probably will
[11:58] <Jeeves_>  /var/log/daemon.log is usually filled with debugging too
[12:02] <_ruben> soa looks incomplete as well
[12:02] <_ruben> not sure if that matters tho
[12:02] <Jeeves_> _ruben: No
[12:03] <Jeeves_> I mean. Why?
[12:03] <Jeeves_> :)
[12:04] <_ruben> wouldnt know how pedantic bind/dns is about (certain) records :)
[12:04] <majuk> Jeeves_! You nailed it, bind was complaining about one of my comments. gg checking the correct logs.
[12:04] <_ruben> but daemon.log would be my first bet as well
[12:04] <majuk> Nov 17 05:45:39 tlpserv named[2285]: /etc/bind/zones/thelearningpad.com.db:1: unknown RR type 'replace'
[12:05] <majuk> ><
[12:09] <majuk> _ruben! ...and now it's complaining that my SOA record is incomplete. lol
[12:19] <majuk> Jeeves_! _ruben! Thanks for the guiding, I'm making some headway on this thing now. Really appreciate it.
[12:22] <Jeeves_> yw
[13:18]  * zash still unshure if high or low swappiness is best for a server with 192M ram
[13:22] <alvin> Will there be an ubuntu-server 9.10.1 ?
[13:26] <KurtKraut> alvin, no. Why do you expect that?
[13:27] <alvin> Well, most bugs I encountered with this release are related to booting. so, I expected a new version.
[13:31] <alvin> Also JeOS (linux-virtual) is missing modules and there are still boot problems. A fresh cd with most of these things fixed would be a relief.
[13:31] <_ruben> network boot/install ftw
[13:32] <alvin> Never tried it, except in Debian (long time ago). Does it use NFS? Because NFS  in Karmic is just a horrible experience.
[13:33] <_ruben> i use pxe + local http mirror for installations
[13:33] <alvin> Sometimes I wonder wether Windows file sharing (samba) is getting more attention than NFS.
[13:33] <alvin> ah, http
[13:36] <alvin> network install would fix some things, but I'm especially annoyed at bug #461133, bug #351307 and bug #446031
[13:39] <alvin> The current cd also suffers from bug #462961. I do all installs with separate /boot, so the result of fresh installs wasn't nice...
[13:44] <\sh> alvin, did you check the fix in bug #446031
[13:45] <\sh> alvin, or if you can not build your own ifupdown package, try this: http://www.sourcecode.de/content/fun-upstart
[13:45] <alvin> \sh: Not yet. The machines suffering from this are currently used in production. I can probably free another machine and test.
[13:46] <alvin> \sh: I switched them to DHCP for the time being.
[13:48] <alvin> \sh: Thanks for the link. I'll try it that way.
[13:49] <\sh> alvin, it could be, that you encounter other problems during bootime, because of time some upstart timing problems
[13:50] <\sh> alvin, if so please file bugs and fill it with as much info as you can without disclosing some company secrets :)
[13:53] <alvin> \sh: Oh, I already did. I'm not sure about bug #351307. The bug was reported before karmic, but I'm only experiencing it after the upgrade to karmic. (probably) due to timing problems, libvirt does not succeed in mounting netfs storage pools, so virtual machines fail to start. I also noticed this weekend that it was no longer possible to use NFS for storing qcow2 images, but I didn't check that on another setup.
[14:00] <alvin> (I'm glad we don't have a lot of company secrets, except for some perl scripts. We use ubuntu for XDMCP and reading and writing huge amounts of xml files. At least the karmic kvm servers no longer crash when a guest was doing that (best burn-in test ever). But now there are those NFS problems.)
[14:07] <heath|work> what is the command to view a partitions UUID?
[14:07] <alvin> ...and the test succeeds. (virtual Jaunty on NFS share. Works on Jaunty kvm and on Karmic kvm. The image was raw.)
[14:07] <alvin> heath@work: blkid
[14:07] <heath|work> thanks
[14:08] <heath|work> alvin: we run all of our virts on NFS
[14:08] <alvin> heath|work: Do you use raw images or qcow2?
[14:08] <heath|work> ah qcow2
[14:09] <alvin> No, that's good to know. Here (@work) the test succeeds, but at home, I have a similar setup and it didn't work. As soon as I copy the qcow2 image to the NFS share, I can no longer boot. Do you use nfs4? Is it an Ubuntu server?
[14:10] <heath|work> it is an ubuntu jaunty server with nfs4
[14:11] <alvin> Good, similar to what I use at home. Weird. I wonder how to debug something like that. There are no errors. It just stops after checking the disk.
[14:11] <heath|work> the virt stops?
[14:12] <alvin> I see nothing more in the console. Just the first disk checks.
[14:12] <heath|work> What does your exports file look like?
[14:12] <alvin> After that, all is idle. I copied the image back (created it locally too, because the installer couldn't create partitions) and everything works. Have to use it locally now.
[14:13] <alvin> /srv/libvirt    <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,async,no_subtree_check)
[14:16] <alvin> at work (where it works) it's actually zfs on solaris that does the sharing. That line is where it doesn't work. idmap etc,.. is ok though.
[14:16] <heath|work> what is your kvm machine? Is that ubuntu as well?
[14:16] <alvin> Yes, karmic
[14:17] <heath|work> I'm logging in to double check my exports
[14:17] <alvin> As storage pool, I used 'directory', because netfs doesn't work. (libvirt can't mount nfs at boot) But that probably doesn't make any difference. libvirt also does not use nfs4, but nfs3.
[14:23] <heath|work> alvin: I have: /mnt/systems	<IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash)
[14:24] <alvin> heath|work: Well, I'll adapt my system and do some tests now. Let's see if that works.
[14:26] <heath|work> alvin: for the mount in /etc/fstab: <IP_ADDRESS>:/mnt/systems /mnt/systems nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
[14:30] <heath|work> alvin: I have also been experimenting with dropping the network to see how the virts will handle the loss. So far it's transparent. They just keep running on the virt server and when the connection comes back up they are good to go. I haven't experienced any data corruption or anything yet.
[14:30] <heath|work> I was looking into glusterFS and may start to migrate over to it in the future for redundency
[14:31] <alvin> heath|work: I did that once by accident... Was very surprised to see that it actually worked.
[14:33] <alvin> heath|work: My collegue does not believe in automatic failover and such :-) We use 2 servers and mirror the images weekly. They don't change much. All data is on a SAN  (ZFS +NFS) that is mirrored too. The images on NFS are for testing only.
[14:34] <alvin> So far, I did not succeed in live migration too. There is some documentation missing about that.
[14:34] <heath|work> alvin: me neither
[14:35] <heath|work> I have the same computers with the same share and same bridge setup... still no idce
[14:35] <heath|work> dice **
[14:59] <alvin> heath|work: Thanks for the tips, but I used them all (sync, no_root_sqauash, other fstab options) to no avail. There was a difference when trying nfs instead of nfs4. On nfs4, the network of the virtual guest can start (I can ping it. No ssh) Using nfs, that didn't even work.
[15:00] <alvin> There is something weird here. I'm going to search for some documentation about kvm on nfs. Maybe there is a method to see what is actually happening during boot.
[15:01] <heath|work> alvin: sorry it's being such a pain. Are you using a gigabit?
[15:04] <alvin> heath|work: Thank you, but I can live with locally shared storage there. It's only a home server. At work it works. I only want to find out why. I'm using gigabit. I will now convert the qcow2 image to raw to see if the result is different.
[15:05] <alvin> (The image contains my kolab mailserver, so having it on my RAID5 fileserver would of course be nicer than on a local disk.)
[15:26] <alecmuffett> Hi All.  Question: is it possible to host a repository on an (essentially) static website, eg: by creating all the files and directories and rsync-ing it an actual webserver on the Net?  All the "create a repository" documentation I have seen talks about installing CGI and poking Apache, which I would love to do but my hosting provider makes hard.
[15:42] <alvin> omg! I found it. kvm is running as libvirtd, and the GID of libvirtd does not exists on the NFS server...
[15:46] <alvin> So, another problem arises. The server has the group 'lpadmin' with GID 109, and the client has GID 109 for libvirtd. How does one solve things like that? (without LDAP or Kerberos) Just a nudge in the right direction is good for me.
[15:53] <foolano> is there any system rescue cd based on ubuntu like systemrescuecd?
[15:53] <mushroomblue> has anyone ever successfully connected an Ubuntu machine to an OS X 10.6 server running OpenDirectory?
[15:58] <heath|work> alvin: you are running ldap at home and your gids are conflicting?
[15:58] <alvin> heath|work: I'm not using ldap. Just system users and groups, and the gids are conflicting.
[15:59] <alvin> heath|work: In the future, I want to use ldap
[15:59] <alvin> Now, I see that the lpadmin group has no files on disk, so it's probably easiest to just change the gid and create a libvirtd group with the same gid as on the client.
[16:01] <heath|work> oh... lp sorry, my eyes are playing with me
[16:01] <heath|work> that's your cups group
[16:01] <alvin> yes
[16:02] <heath|work> I don't think it would be a problem to change it.
[16:03] <Fenix|work> Greetings and salutations!
[16:06] <alvin> Greetings too :-)
[16:06] <Fenix|work> Can anyone tell me how to avoid log duplication with rsyslog on karmic?  I've configured rsyslog as a central logging server and get both remote and local logs in /var/log and in the location I set up for remote logs.
[16:07] <alvin> Well heath|work, thanks for all the assistance. I changed the lpadmin group and added libvirtd. Works flawlessly.
[16:07] <alvin> Meanwhile, I found out why live migration does not work: it's probably bug #462000
[16:12] <orudie> whats a good way to set up FTP for one of my customers ?
[16:14] <heath|work> bah... appamor at it again
[16:14] <Fenix|work> Would it be considered a 'bug' that rsyslog is configured to log to /dev/xconsole when X isn't installed by default on ubuntu server?
[16:15] <heath|work> orudie: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[16:15] <heath|work> alvin: glad that fixed it
[16:15] <heath|work> damn gid's
[16:16] <Fenix|work> heath|work, you running karmic server?
[16:16] <alvin> yes, I want to use LDAP, but I hate to learn it first.
[16:16] <heath|work> I'm probably running at least one of each since hardy
[16:16] <Fenix|work> alvin, that's half the fun...
[16:17] <Fenix|work> heath|work, you have an untouched copy of /etc/rsyslog.conf ?
[16:17] <heath|work> alvin: virtualmin is a good start. It will get you up and running then you can learn the commands
[16:17] <heath|work> it requires hardy though
[16:17] <alvin> Fenix|work: Certainly! But I will not do this on servers I need on a daily basis.
[16:17] <Fenix|work> I've modded the crap out of mine to get dynamic directory creation working, and I didn't think to make a copy of the base.  I'd like to file some rsyslog 'bugs'
[16:17] <alvin> I can run a virtual hardy :-)
[16:18] <heath|work> Fenix|work: I'll paste my desktop one if that's ok
[16:18] <Fenix|work> heath|work, that would be fantastic.
[16:19] <Fenix|work> before I file these bugs, could I run them by the channel to ask for bug-worthiness?  If they fail the sniff test here, I won't post 'em on launchpad
[16:19] <heath|work> Fenix|work: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d5fc303a7
[16:20] <alvin> virtualmin looks like a big system
[16:20] <heath|work> alvin: it is, but one thing they have right: You can still manually config all the files and it will just read them
[16:21] <heath|work> most of those systems use custom crap, virtualmin uses the actual system files
[16:21] <heath|work> It's great... I love it
[16:21] <Fenix|work> heath|work, fantastic, thanks.
[16:21] <alvin> heath|work: Now, THAT is a good feature! I'm often wary about such tools for that reason
[16:21] <Fenix|work> would you guys consider a it a bug that rsyslog on server wants to log to /dev/xconsole out of the box?
[16:21] <heath|work> Fenix|work: np
[16:22] <Fenix|work> (considering that X is required to use xconsole)
[16:22] <heath|work> lol... Fenix|work that does sound strange
[16:22] <Fenix|work> ok, just checking my sanity
[16:23] <Fenix|work> the other bug I'm going to file has to do with file/directory ownership and permissions.  The base rsyslog config doesn't allow for the creation of dynamic directories because the perms are a little messed up
[16:30] <alvin> Fenix|work: Good luck with filing the bugs. I will profit from that in the near future :-) (rsyslog is on the menu). I'm going home now.
[16:35] <Fenix|work> alvin, thanks
[16:39] <Mosx> hi I've configured ssl for apache - but where do i put content ? - there is a public_html folder - do I need to create private_html as well ?
[16:41] <ivoks> private web pages are in ~/public_html
[16:42] <ivoks> generaly, apache looks in /var/www/
[16:49] <Mosx> I mean ssl , rather than user location
[16:49] <Mosx> apache is looking in /var/www/
[16:50] <Mosx> I'm using virtual hosts - so I have aDovumentRoot /srv/www/sitename/public_html/
[16:53] <Reepicheep> Mosx: generally https and http web content are handled the same by the server ..  you can put the content where ever you like.. just make sure that the virtualhost in your instance points at the correct "DocumentRoot"
[16:54] <Mosx> oh, I see I need <VirtualHost <IP_ADDRESS>:443>
[16:55] <Reepicheep> "public_html" is not related to whether it is server over SSL or not .. it's just a directory
[16:55] <Reepicheep> yeah.. that's it..  443 = https = SSL
[16:55] <Mosx> sure, ok, so I have two entries in the VirtualHost file for each site...
[16:56] <Mosx> if I make the Document root the same then presumably the site can be viewed either over ssl or plain http ??
[16:56] <Reepicheep> yeah.. that's how that works
[16:57] <Mosx> ok, so if i do that....and then I also want to secure another certain directory for the same site... ?
[16:57] <Mosx> you follow ?
[16:58] <Reepicheep> Mosx: basicly everything with in one virtualhost (SSL or not) needs to be with in one "DocumentRoot" ..
[16:59] <Reepicheep> you can use Aliases to link to other directories from within one virtualhost though
[16:59] <Mosx> ah...ok, I don't know about them
[17:07] <lezz> anyone have experience getting exim running on ubuntu on ec2?
[17:08] <Mosx> ok, I don't get it, over http i see my content, over https i get sent to the 'It works!'
[17:09] <Mosx> I've used the same DocumentRoot setting in each virtual host
[17:22] <Reepicheep> lezz: what is your exim issue?  it probably doesn't matter that it is on ec2 or not
[17:36] <moparisthebest> I'm having a problem with dnsmasq
[17:36] <moparisthebest> I specify addresses like this, for example:
[17:36] <moparisthebest> address=/mediacenter/<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:37] <moparisthebest> but a lookup for 'mediacenter' fails, where a lookup for 'mediacenter.' succeeds
[18:29] <SockPants> hey all
[18:30] <diffra> Hello
[18:30] <SockPants> i'm wondering what's the easiest way to transfer files to and from a ubuntu server running in virtualbox with only the command line
[18:31] <diffra> scp
[18:31] <diffra> easy + secure!
[18:31] <SockPants> is it on by default?
[18:31] <diffra> scp /path/to/localfile user@remotehost:/remote/path/
[18:31] <diffra> you have to enable ssh on the remote host
[18:32] <SockPants> if i installed openssh is it enabled on ubuntu server?
[18:33] <SockPants> it seems to be
[18:33] <SockPants> lets see
[18:34] <SockPants> it says permission denied on the local file
[18:35] <SockPants> nvm, it was the remote path that was bad
[18:35] <SockPants> i think it works :D
[18:36] <SockPants> this is great
[18:36] <SockPants> and scp is installed by default on mac os x afaik, because it works
[19:04] <rcaskey> hey all, should I bridge from wmaster0 -> eth0 or wlan0-> eth0? I'm having trouble finding info on wmaster0
[19:40] <ppine> Hello, is just installed ubuntu server (karmic) with only ssh, what is the best way now to start setting up an email server ?
[19:42] <epinky> ppine: decide which MTA you want to setup?
[21:02] <jfluhmann> ppine, you might also check out -  mail-server from tasksel.  You could do an apt-get install mail-server^ -s to see what it would install
[21:04] <jfluhmann> ppine, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/mailserver
[21:12] <Bookman> Why would my password all of a sudden not be accepted by my smtp server?  It works just fine on their web based interface so I know their servers are working fine.
[21:13] <Daviey> nxvl: i stab you.
[21:16] <jpds> Daviey: ...
[21:17] <Daviey> that was supposed to be a pm
[21:18] <diffra> smtp auth is probably misconfigured, bookman
[21:18] <diffra> they probably allow from the webmail servers regardless of password
[21:18] <diffra> which is why that works
[21:24] <jpds> Daviey: Well, we know not to mess with you: http://tinyurl.com/yaxzazj
[21:25] <Daviey> heh
[22:35] <davidboy1> How would I set up a cron job to run at a specific time?
[22:36] <kane_> davidboy1: google's your friend here: http://clickmojo.com/code/cron-tutorial.html
[22:36] <davidboy1> kane_: Thanks
[22:37] <twisted_steel> is there any way to determine the default list of packages that are supposed to be pulled in during a ubuntu server install?
[22:44] <twisted_steel> the main reason I was asking was to see if openoffice is supposed to be installed by default
[22:44] <twisted_steel> could someone check on their system? I'm trying to determine if this is by design or a problem with the netboot installer setup
[22:46] <zul> open office is not installed by default on ubuntu-server
[22:46] <Infomomo> hey guys, having trouble changing resolution on ubuntu-server 9.10
[22:46] <twisted_steel> weird ... it was pulled in on mine along with X, Java, etc
[22:46] <Infomomo> anyone has the tutorial
[22:50] <twisted_steel> maybe I screwed up the netboot install, though there didn't seem to be too many options to deviate
[22:51] <Infomomo> twisted_steel: ok
[22:52] <twisted_steel> Infomomo: sorry, I wasn't referring to your issue
[22:52] <Infomomo> twisted_steel: ok bro
[23:52] <Bo7> Do I need a firewall?
[23:54] <smcquay> good evening. I'm trying to stand up and connect to a Eucalyptus VM. It stands up, but denies my public key. Things are rather vanilla on my setup, but I've set up ssh keys for root between the CC and NC. Could this have gotten in the way of things?


[16:42] <ybaumy> hi. how to i set a new space for a group of machines or machines in a zone
[21:37] <mup> Bug #1672220 opened: [2.x] User gets no control over @ RRset in DNS domains <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672220>


[03:46] <Kavi_> Hi
[03:46] <Kavi_> How to use symmetric multiprocessing in ubuntu
[03:52] <Thanapal> What is Symmetric multiProcessing in ubuntu
[03:52] <ali1234> it just works
[03:53] <Kavi_> How to configure SMP(Symmetric MultiProcessing) in ubuntu
[03:54] <Thanapal> How to configure SMP(Symmetric MultiProcessing) in ubuntu
[03:55] <Azelphur> Kavi_: / Thanapal please drop the clones, and don't spam.
[06:14] <popey> morning
[06:15] <Azelphur> morning :)
[07:23] <daubers> o/
[07:34] <christel> morning lovelies
[08:00] <hoover> morning all
[08:17] <JamesTait> Happy Tuesday, folks! :-D
[08:20]  * AlanBell observes directhex's petition on slashdot
[08:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:29] <AlanBell> morning czajkowski
[08:29] <czajkowski> howdy
[08:30] <christel> lauraaaa
[08:30] <czajkowski> ello christel how's you?
[08:31] <christel> not at all bad! thyself lovely one? :)
[08:33] <czajkowski> not bad
[08:35]  * AlanBell wonders if Laura is coming out to play in Farnham on Saturday
[08:35] <czajkowski> nope fraid not
[08:35] <czajkowski> sorry
[08:44] <christel> :(
[09:02] <Azelphur> I just been watching some of the TV License inspector videos on youtube, it's astounding the amount of harassment they get away with lol
[09:17] <mungojerry> Azelphur, do their vans really work?
[09:17] <Azelphur> mungojerry: nah that's a load of crap from what I hear
[09:18] <Azelphur> it's more the punching people in the face I'm worried about :P
[09:18] <popey> they dont have vans these days
[09:18] <popey> haven't had for years
[09:18] <mungojerry> apprently a tv which receives a OTA signal can be detecetd with a listening device
[09:18] <Azelphur> popey: yea, they have "handheld devices" ;)
[09:18] <popey> some do, most don't
[09:18] <mungojerry> so they just knock on doors onf those people who don't have licences?
[09:18] <popey> basically
[09:19] <popey> they go through the database and send people round
[09:19] <daubers> mungojerry: That used to work with old CRT based TV's, was something to do with the coils
[09:19] <Azelphur> mungojerry: and they are usually really rude and often abusive while doing so, from what I see on youtube
[09:19] <mungojerry> i have a CRT
[09:19] <daubers> You just have to remember that they have no legal right to enter your property without a warrent
[09:19] <mungojerry> but i also have licence
[09:20] <mungojerry> why don't they get the JWs to check , since they knock at my house twice a day on the weekend
[09:20] <Azelphur> daubers: indeed
[09:20] <Azelphur> swear warning, but this is the worst video I found of the inspectors coming knocking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZENQpDgUms
[09:21] <daubers> Azelphur: I got the police to escort one tv licence man out of the student halls because he just walked in to peoples flats
[09:21] <Azelphur> daubers: nice
[09:23] <popey> you're basing your opinion of TVL on one visit from a guy who was videoed by a neighbour back in 2005?
[09:23] <Azelphur> popey: I've actually watched like 20 videos, as I say that was the worst of em
[09:23] <Azelphur> there's lots of more recent ones I've seen where they are really rude and basically say that if you don't answer my questions and let me search your property I'll be back with a warrant
[09:24] <Azelphur> and lots where they outright lie about the laws to try and force a license on you, too
[09:25] <daubers> Yeah, the TV licence people are run by a private company these days. Wouldn't be surprised if they got paid by the number of people they foist a licence onto
[09:25] <Azelphur> daubers: I've read they get £20 commission per sale
[09:26] <Azelphur> daubers: I've read other stuff too like picking on disabled people and stuff, not nice, as I say dunno how they get away with this lol
[09:27] <Azelphur> it's like large scale super harassment
[09:27] <hoover> morning folks
[09:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:30] <popey> i do wonder how many of those people videoing the TVL people actually do have a telly and use it to watch live TV
[09:32]  * daubers has a telly but doesn't watch live TV!
[09:32] <Azelphur> popey: who knows, myself I actually legitimately just don't watch it, where I live now we have a license, I could watch it if I wanted, I just don't. Everything I consume is online
[09:32] <daubers> "But you have an aerial on the side of your house" "But there's no cable connected to it" "Does that matter sir?"
  XD
[11:21] <Azelphur> that'd be pointless
[11:22] <mungojerry> exactly
[11:23] <Azelphur> hehe
[11:23] <popey> pretty sure watchdog have done something on this
[11:23] <Azelphur> mungojerry: I also saw a video of an investigator going through some guys computer which was a little worrying :p
[11:23] <davmor2> Azelphur: because they would have to to remain unbias, like when sky news and the sun and news of the world had to report on the phone tapping incident
[11:24] <Azelphur> popey: that would be interesting to see just for the whole self-policingness of it all
[11:24] <Azelphur> davmor2: haha
[11:24] <popey> not self policing
[11:24] <popey> bbc != tvl
[11:25] <Azelphur> tvl are hired and paid for by BBC though
[11:44] <mungojerry> i've switched computer and i still get freezes in my desktop UI while installing packages from USC :S
[11:45] <davmor2> mungojerry: how do you mean freezes?
[11:45] <davmor2> mungojerry: is it something you can record and put in a bug please
[11:45] <mungojerry> mouse doesn't move , windows don't open
[11:46] <mungojerry> davmor2, i'm using cinnamon, so i'll prob need to boot into unity to get better bug support
[11:46] <davmor2> mungojerry: in unity it might not happen
[11:46] <mungojerry> that's true too
[11:47] <davmor2> mungojerry: it could be a bug in cinnamon that is causing it, in which case we are unlikely to fix it unless it is definitely our code causing the issue
[11:47] <mungojerry> of course :)
[11:48] <mungojerry> in which case, i'd also probably try gnome shell to see if it does it there too
[11:53] <mungojerry> the likelihood of the problem being cinnamon is probably quite high :(
[11:55] <davmor2> mungojerry: were you installing more than one app in a single session?  there was a huge memory leak I discovered in precise that has been partially addressed in quantal
[11:56] <mungojerry> i was, yes, however i only just opened the USC app
[11:56] <mungojerry> surely it couldn't bring the machine to it's knees so quickly?
[11:57] <mungojerry> i'll try apt-get next time and see if it's just because of i/o
[11:57] <mungojerry> (i guess it might be)
[11:59] <davmor2> mungojerry: how much memory does the box have and what type of processor, gfx shouldn't matter as it uses gtk so should display happily in 2d and 3d
[12:05] <mungojerry> davmor2, 4GB ram, core i5 processor
[12:06] <mungojerry> when i get some time later i'll try in a different DE
[12:06]  * daubers turns on the heating
[12:07] <davmor2> mungojerry: Oh man I'm on amd quad here 4 gig never seen an issue my laptop is an i3 and that works faster than the amd :D
[13:48] <KungFuPanda> Hi guys, any1 meet this problem ? my system crashed everytime when I first time try to start window 64bit xp image under virtrual box? the whole system freezed, I have to hold the power button to restart, after that I can start the xp then, very annoying.
[13:50] <hoover> KungFuPanda: A colleague is having similar issues with Virtualbox and a centos 6 64bit guest
[13:51] <KungFuPanda> great, so I am not alone, did he find any solutions ?
[13:52] <hoover> no, not yet I'm afraid, I think his system crashes repeatedly so his case is even worse than yours ;-)
[13:53] <KungFuPanda> damn linux, so easy to crash. :P
[13:53] <hoover> I run an xp guest (32bit) on a 64bit centos host without any problems though (sp3)
[13:54] <hoover> have you tried a 32 bit xp?
[13:54] <KungFuPanda> not yet, maybe I should try that,
[13:56]  * mungojerry boggles at the community app showdown results
[13:56] <KungFuPanda> it is not make any sense at all, it only crash on first  time of the  day, after that, no matter how many times I restart the system, it always works fine then, only the first time of the day. :p
[13:57] <ali1234> why is everyone shocked at the app showdown results?
[13:57] <ali1234> you know only about 400 people even voted on it?
[13:58] <ali1234> also, why surprised that an app that returns one of the liked but irritatingly removed features of nautilus would win?
[13:58] <ali1234> this is what's great about open source. idiot developers can take stuff out, and the users can just put it back in
[14:01] <mungojerry> it's a pretty ugly implementation
[14:01] <mungojerry> how do you vote on it? i don't think i saw that
[14:02] <mungojerry> tbh there were too many apps to choose from , so any app that was receommended on reddit/forum would have won
[14:03] <ali1234> i'm just curious what you expected to win
[14:03] <ali1234> if you look at the full results, the winder got 3x the votes of anything else
[14:03] <ali1234> *winner
[14:03] <mungojerry> cuttlefish looked interesting, and lightread is a v good app
[14:04] <ali1234> the problem with lightread and fogger is nobody actually needs that stuff
[14:05] <ali1234> lightread is just a limited RSS reader - we've got hundreds of those
[14:05] <ali1234> and fogger only exists to work around problems with unity's design
[14:06] <ali1234> and cuttlefish is an app to make it easier to change settings, so no surprise that came third
[14:08] <mungojerry> ali1234, no, where's the hundreds of decent rss readers?
[14:08] <ali1234> i never said any of them were decent
[14:08] <mungojerry> liferea is prety much the main one, and it's slow
[14:08] <ali1234> lightread has not improved things at all
[14:08] <mungojerry> lightread is decent
[14:09] <mungojerry> if you use google reader
[14:09] <ali1234> yeah. google reader is completely terrible in every way
[14:09] <mungojerry> i use it every day, where liferea was misbehaving and didn't show certain feeds
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> except it's not
[14:09] <ali1234> lightread being tied to it is basically an automatic fail
[14:09] <mungojerry> i think you're in a bad mood. lightread is v good
[14:09] <ali1234> google reader hides things by design
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it does?
[14:10] <ali1234> you have no control over how many posts it show from each feed
[14:10] <ali1234> it just shows the first 10
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it shows all unread ones.
[14:10] <ali1234> and stuff mysteriously dissappears after you have read it
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> that's good
[14:10] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: that is categorically untrue
[14:10] <ali1234> it shows all the nread ones if the feed has 10 or less items
[14:10] <ali1234> otherwise it just shows the first 10 unread items
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I always use the "All unread items" view.
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> works fine for me..
[14:11] <ali1234> again, that only shows the first 10 unread items from each of your feeds
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> I read it often enough to not hit the problems you're describing
[14:11] <ali1234> for example, if you have a feed which gets about 30 posts per day
[14:11] <ali1234> such as the BBC one
[14:12] <ali1234> or slashdot
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> I don't read those.
[14:12] <ali1234> or pretty much any news blog really
[14:12] <mungojerry> try lightread then
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> Busiest feed I read is ars technica
[14:12] <ali1234> i have tried it
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> and they post throughout the day, so I keep up..
[14:12] <ali1234> i tried it after the showdown ended and the apps were all released
[14:12] <ali1234> and this is what happened
[14:12] <ali1234> all i'm doing is telling you the results of my trial
[14:13] <ali1234> basically lightread is unusable for these feeds
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> and I'm telling you that "doesn't work for you" doesn't mean "doesn't work for anyone"
[14:13] <ali1234> liferea works perfectly however
[14:13] <ali1234> !wfm
[14:19] <mungojerry> ali1234, load lightread and change "max read items" to 50
[14:20] <mungojerry> click refresh, and it will show 50 items in the feed (unread ones)
[14:20] <ali1234> i only just noticed that lightread has google ads plastered all over it
[14:20] <mungojerry> where?
[14:20] <ali1234> maybe it's in the feed actually
[14:21] <mungojerry> do the change i just mentioned and it will fix your problem
[14:21] <mungojerry> of the max messages
[14:21] <ali1234> yeah it is
[14:22] <ali1234> max read items?
[14:22] <ali1234> ok i set it to 50. now  can't close the settings window because the dialog is messed up
[14:24] <ali1234> http://ubuntuone.com/6nMz2gwmuhBP6gHvrLkR1o
[14:24] <ali1234> got to love these html5 apps
[14:27] <ali1234> so in summary this app has a confusing interface that doesn't match the rest of the desktop, is tied to a google account, and doesn't show all of feeds
[14:28] <ali1234> but you know what is even better than using a stand alone rss redaer? just using firefox live bookmarks
[14:28] <ali1234> doesn't suffer from any of these problems, doesn't need you to keep yet another app open all the time...
[14:29] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[14:29] <hoover> hey biggie
[14:29] <bigcalm> Hiya hoover
[14:35] <christel> hiya tinycalm
[14:35] <bigcalm> Hey, it's not my fault. It's just cold today
[14:36]  * bigcalm hugs christel :)
[14:37] <ali1234> hmm actually cuttlefish is genuinely innovative
[14:37] <davmor2> christel: hello
[14:37] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[14:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: hello
[14:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: you just got on or did we not say hello earlier
[14:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: Have an early start and long drive on Thursday, might need reminding of that at the LUG tomorrow
[14:38] <bigcalm> davmor2: just popped on
[14:39] <bigcalm> I am somewhat over worked right now
[14:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: does that mean you won't be at the coworking space?
[14:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: that is quite correct. I did warn you last time :)
[14:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: you probably did me remembering on the other hand is something completely different :D
[14:40] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:42] <christel> heya davmor2 :D
[14:43] <hoover> cheers all
[14:43] <davmor2> hoover: what for :D
[16:44]  * SuperEngineer is now known as "back from sanity break in Dartmouth" & was never known as SuperEngineer|Away] ;)
[16:45] <popey> welcome back SuperEngineer
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> o? thanks
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> took me surprise - nice to be back
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> *me by
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> now I've stopped nom nom boiling over & cleaned up the mess - I'll try that again... thanks popey, much appreciated
[19:26] <mgdm> can anyone recommend a USB wireless adapter? (It's ultimately for a Windows box so compatibility with Ubuntu sadly isn't a huge concern right now...)
[19:30] <Flashtek> mgdm: tp-link stuff generally wors well ime
[19:30] <zleap> hi feisar
[19:30] <zleap> hi Flashtek
[19:31] <mgdm> Flashtek: ta
[19:31] <davmor2> mgdm: ditto on the tplink
[19:32] <Flashtek> sensibly priced also
[19:32] <mgdm> very much so, thanks!
[19:33] <feisar> zleap hi
[19:39] <zleap> hi
[19:46] <popey> mgdm, yes!
[19:46] <popey> mgdm, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Technologies-802-11N-150Mbps-Wireless-Compatible/dp/B0035FVL4G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347997589&sr=8-2
[19:46] <popey> i have a few of them
[19:46] <mgdm> popey: you really are a font of all kinds of useful info, thanks :)
[19:47] <mgdm> and that looks cool, ta
[19:49] <einonm> Watch out with those though - I've got a similar Edimax nano USB wifi dongle - I think because the antenna is so small, the thing isn't very good at picking up weak wifi.
[19:50]  * bigcalm rumbles in
[19:50] <mgdm> I have the Edimax one, it came with my RPi
[19:50] <mgdm> but I've not had occasion to test it yet
[19:52] <dwatkins> I have the Edimax, there's a neat automated install script linked from here for Debians: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[19:53] <einonm> Wow. That's a huge script, isn't it?
[19:53] <dwatkins> yeah, works well though
[19:54] <dwatkins> run it before connecting the device, as my Pi failed to boot with it connected
[19:54] <einonm> I think the 8188 driver is a bit new, it probably isn't well supported on a pi kernel yet
[19:57] <einonm> I ended up using a trusty ralink2800 dongle on mine - I think it's one of the longest supported drivers in the kernel.
[20:00] <popey> I've had no issues with that LM device
[20:03] <einonm> cool - the price is certainly good
[20:49] <ali1234> libxrender-dev and libxrender-dev:i386 can't be installed at the same time
[20:52] <ali1234> hmm. fullscreenhack tends to crash these opengl games that insist on drawing over all available monitors
[20:53] <ali1234> i don't understand how these games consistently fail to provide any kind of usable screen resolution setting
[20:53] <ali1234> this one has a resolution setting and the options are "50% - 100%"
[20:53] <ali1234> and changing it makes absolutely no difference at all
[21:41] <brobostigon> nos da everyone sleep well,
[21:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: lo
[21:44] <bigcalm> Evenin mukka
[21:44] <brobostigon> nos da bigcalm
[21:45] <bigcalm> Night brobostigon
[21:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: you still at work too or are you just being social
[21:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: still at work, but trying to be social of sorts at the same time
[21:48] <mgdm> at work this late? :(
[21:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahahaha
[21:48] <davmor2> mgdm: Yes too much too do
[21:48] <bigcalm> mgdm: I do this regularly. One of the dangers of working from home
[21:49] <bigcalm> That said, I often stayed at the office until 9/10pm
[21:49] <bigcalm> I live to work
[21:50] <bigcalm> But hopefully it means that I can take Thursday to Sunday off work and not worry about it
[21:50] <mgdm> well, if you get it back then fair enough
[21:52] <bigcalm> Get it back?
[21:53] <mgdm> as in, the time you put in now is time you can then take later
[21:53] <davmor2> mgdm: one of the dangers of fix period releases when there is loads to do at the end
[21:54] <mgdm> sure - but I'm not a believer in letting things get to the point where you're doing work at 11pm
[21:55] <bigcalm> mgdm: I don't get the time back. I'm working in my own time for free.  Pretty much the only way to keep the job
[21:57] <mgdm> davmor2: well, fair enough
[21:57] <mgdm> bigcalm: I've worked for a 3-person company, and i would still not do that without compensation
[21:57] <mgdm> if you're not getting something in return, you are selling yourself short
[21:57] <davmor2> mgdm: but it gets more chaotic as the Ubuntu release goes on
[21:58] <czajkowski> files more bugs
[21:58] <czajkowski> no where near popey level
[21:58] <czajkowski> but getting there
[21:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: no your not
[21:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: you are a rank amateur at bug reporting
[22:00] <davmor2> which reminds me I still have 2 I need to report
[22:00] <czajkowski> :/
[22:01] <mgdm> davmor2: well there's a problem in the release structure, then, that needs resolved
[22:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: yes, fix it now
[22:03] <popey> sadly stuff landed late
[22:03] <popey> as often happens
[22:03] <davmor2> mgdm: no there is a bunch of stuff that our team can't do till just before beta 2 and then the retest happens just before release so it kinda sucks to be me sometimes :) not the end of the world though it doesn't always happen :)
[22:04] <mgdm> if it often happens, it sounds like a problem; if not, then well, fair enough
[22:05] <czajkowski> where as with me I do my work during the day and my ububntu work in the evening,somtimes during the day I'll find a bug and report it and in theevening I get the odd poke for LP work
[22:06] <bigcalm> I had the choice of working or watching Downton Abbey with Hayley...
[22:06] <mgdm> oh, well, when you put it like that...
[22:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: Today I broke USC on precise and quantal guess what I spent most of the day doing :D
[22:07] <czajkowski> oh today I also lost my desktop and had a mini panic attack and had to pke popey
[22:07] <czajkowski> flip side is every thursday @6pm UTC+1 atm will be 5pm UTC in a few weeks I've a CC meeting
[22:07] <czajkowski> but then other days I dont run away at 6
[22:08] <czajkowski> s there is a bit of give and take
[22:08] <bigcalm> Timezones are a bugger
[22:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: even more so when the rest of the world don't use ours
[22:09] <bigcalm> Yep, everybody should use GMT and be awake at the same time
[22:09]  * bigcalm nods
[22:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed it's only fair we gave the world everything(TM)
[22:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: how dare you be so sidest, what's wrong with rightfield?
[22:27] <popey> i have found episode 1 of the young ones on a vhs tape
[22:29] <davmor2> popey: wow you had worse taste than I remember.......oh wait no I've seen your shirts......you have better taste than I remember :D
[22:29] <davmor2> popey: the young ones was cool but my god has it dated
[22:30] <popey> yeah
[22:33] <popey> actually it's a bit chucklyworthy, but I've seen it so many times
[22:34] <popey> this was recorded off UK Gold
[22:34] <popey> and part way through the programme they have mistakenly played the continuity announcement
[22:34] <popey> remember how we used to record programmes on VHS by the exact start time and end time
[22:39] <popey> davmor2, usc should remember my username/password :(
[22:40] <ahayzen> popey, omg i remember setting up the VHS when i was like 5 lol :)
[22:40] <popey> :)
[22:41] <ahayzen> popey, betamax ftw!
[22:41] <davmor2> popey: you keep saying that and it shouldn't :D it should in quantal now remember your username once you have a stored key,  Ie activated recommendations or installed a previous purchase
[22:43] <davmor2> popey: the unified sso client was meant to happen but precise fixes took up a lot of our time unfortunately, so that might be 13.04 if we are lucky, you'll still have to use your 2f though
[22:43] <popey> :(
[22:43] <popey> makes the whole 'one click buy' a bit of a lie :)
[22:45] <popey> none of the games have appeared in the launcher
[22:46] <ali1234> dustforce appears in gnome panel menu
[22:46] <ali1234> none of the others are even in my USC yet
[22:46] <popey> that one hasn't finished installing for me yet
[22:46] <ali1234> yeah it took ages for me too
[22:46] <popey> shatter and space pirates are installed for me, but no icon
[22:47] <ali1234> still "not found" for both here
[22:47] <ali1234> i left USC running for about 4 hours now
[22:48] <davmor2> popey: I think is it really hit an miss there are some changes in unity that broke it
[22:48] <ali1234> can i firce it to update the sources in a way that i can see what it is doing?
[22:49] <davmor2> ali1234: sudo /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center-agent
[22:49] <davmor2> ali1234: it does it automatically on restart though
[22:49] <ali1234> yeah, well, apparently it doesn't work
[22:50] <davmor2> ali1234: it does you just got in early it does keep retriggering
[22:50] <ali1234> ok that command exited with no output after about 2 seconds, almost as if it did absolutely nothing at all
[22:50] <popey> shatter is a bit funky
[22:51] <popey> and works well on my i7
[22:51] <ali1234> "funky"?
[22:51] <davmor2> ali1234: I'm taking it that you have gone back to the HIB and clicked on the next button right?
[22:51] <ali1234> next button?
[22:51] <directhex> waiting for USC publication of HiB6 games
[22:51] <ali1234> what next button?
[22:51] <davmor2> ali1234: so you clicked on the install button for the first app did you click on the next apps button?
[22:52] <ali1234> you mean the "download for ubuntu" button?
[22:52] <directhex> ali1234, right
[22:52] <davmor2> ali1234: yeap
[22:52] <ali1234> yeah, i clicked on it, then software centre loaded up and said "not found". then i waited 4 hours, closed software center, then clicked the "download for ubuntu" button again, and it still says "not found"
[22:53] <popey> i just pressed back in usc then clicked the game
[22:53] <popey> they're now listed on the front page
[22:53] <popey> it knows you bought them
[22:53] <popey> but obviously did that 4 hours after you
[22:53] <ali1234> yeah, i got the emails about the tokens
[22:53] <ali1234> when i first did this, the SPAZ was not even on that page yet
[22:54] <davmor2> ali1234: if you see the apps on the what's new section you should just be able to install them
[22:54] <ali1234> yeah i see them on the front page
[22:54] <ali1234> so why doesn't the button work?
[22:54] <popey> yeah, spaz wasnt there for me earlier, but I only just clicked to install them
[22:54] <ali1234> There isn’t a software package called “spacepiratesandzombies” in your current software sources.
[22:54] <popey> busy working before :)
[22:55] <ali1234> aaaaah
[22:55] <popey> ooh, dustforce is now in my launcher
[22:55] <popey> doesn't look like it installed the others
[22:55] <ali1234> it's because it needs to be searching for "spacepiratesandzombies:i386" and "shatter:i386"
[22:55] <popey> ahhhhh
[22:55] <ali1234> however, dustforce is just dustforce, so the link works
[22:56] <ali1234> i reported this bug ... several months ago
[22:56] <davmor2> ali1234: it should matter USC should pick up on that grrrrr
[22:56] <ali1234> yeah... it doesn't
[22:56] <davmor2> ali1234: that'll be why the button doesn't work then
[22:56] <ali1234> there's packages in the universe which are broken in the same way
[22:56] <ali1234> for example eagle cad
[22:56] <ali1234> which has only i386 version
[22:56] <ali1234> let me find the bug...
[22:57] <ali1234> bug 999301
[22:57] <directhex> i see one game in USC - Dustforce
[22:57] <davmor2> ali1234: these should all be multiarch so there should be a 64bit package that basically points at the i386 one I wonder if that didn't build hmmmmm
[22:57] <ali1234> this is the exact same bug. eagle can be found if you search, but not if some other app kicks off software center
[22:57] <ali1234> yeah, eagle has no 64 bit wrapper package
[22:58] <davmor2> popey: are you on i386 or amd64?
[22:59] <davmor2> popey: if the answer is 64bit then the reason is the apps are multiarch I've already filed a bug, and unity and USC are currently trying to figure out who's code needs to handle it iirc
[23:01] <popey> yes amd64
[23:01] <popey> nice one
[23:02] <ali1234> btw, is dustforce supposed to run in a tiny window with huge black borders?
[23:02] <davmor2> popey: it took me ages to figure out why some did and some didn't, it didn't help it was the same apps on both i386 and amd 64
[23:04] <bigcalm> Sleep now
[23:04] <directhex> i on;y really care about rochard working, btw :p
[23:05] <directhex> that's the only one i have any reputation staked on
[23:05] <ali1234> yeah?
[23:05] <popey> haha
[23:06] <popey> dustforce runs with a small border on my 1366x768 laptop
[23:06] <ali1234> dustforce is basically super meat boy with sloppy unresponsive controls :(
[23:06] <popey> runs really well
[23:06] <popey> hah
[23:06] <ali1234> and bad level design
[23:06] <popey> i dont think i have played smb properly
[23:06] <ali1234> maybe i'm just doing it wrong
[23:06] <popey> i have it here somewhere
[23:06] <ali1234> it was in 5 as the bonus i think
[23:07] <popey> a hyes
[23:07] <ali1234> my favourite game out of any of them yet
[23:07] <popey> i have kinda ocd downloaded all of them and stuffed them in U1
[23:07] <ali1234> i've installed them all from USC
[23:07] <ali1234> but only played about half
[23:07] <popey> for some i even downloaded osx and win versions too
[23:07] <popey> yeah, i haven't got around to playing them all
[23:07] <directhex> i've actually liked the mono-based games. they've been good. this is convenient for a narative i want to spread :p
[23:07] <ali1234> i've spent more time trying to fix them, than actually playing them though
[23:08] <ali1234> whic are mono except for bastion?
[23:08] <popey> i haven't had a single issue playing any of them
[23:08] <popey> the new unity ones
[23:08] <ali1234> bastion was Ok but the narrator gimmick started getting annoying after about 2/3 of the game
[23:08] <directhex> ali1234,  spacechem; atom zombie smasher; bastion; rochard
[23:08] <ali1234> spacechem bored me to tears :(
[23:08] <directhex> i like spacechem, but it's crazy hard
[23:09] <ali1234> really?
[23:09] <ali1234> i didn't find it challenging... just repetitive and annoying
[23:09] <directhex> it's the first "programming puzzle" game i've enjoyed. y'know, the "guide the robot by programing his path" type puzzles, like microsoft tinker
[23:09] <ali1234> i think it's the difficulty curve... it's too shallow
[23:09] <ali1234> can i skip directly to the hard stuff?
[23:10] <directhex> there's a lot of tutorial to it
[23:10] <ali1234> yeah really
[23:10] <directhex> did you get far enough to build composite reactors?
[23:10] <directhex> i.e. pipe one reactor into another
[23:11] <ali1234> no
[23:12] <ali1234> i dont think so anyway
[23:12] <directhex> yeah, i'd say that's where it starts to really open out. that and the boss stages
[23:12] <ali1234> i guess i'll persevere then :)
[23:12] <ali1234> i tried the android games actually on android too
[23:12] <directhex> one level sees you assembling a nuclear missile
[23:12] <ali1234> touch screen gaming is kind of fail
[23:13] <directhex> i.e. fuel and fissile warhead
[23:13] <directhex> your input is... water
[23:13] <ali1234> world of goo is perfect example... you can't see what your doing because your finger blocks your view
[23:13] <ali1234> it makes the game about 100 times harder
[23:13] <directhex> ali1234, we agree for once! :o
[23:13] <ali1234> however: there was one GREAT game: osmos
[23:13] <ali1234> because you tap on the opposite side of where you want to go
[23:14] <directhex> not big on osmos. can't get into it
[23:14] <ali1234> so this problem is averted
[23:14] <ali1234> it is a kind of slow paced game but they used the touch screen mechanic well
[23:14] <ali1234> i actually prefer it on android to PC
[23:15] <ali1234> it's a perfect game to just pass time while you're waiting for a train or something
[23:15] <directhex> wake me when there's a humble bundle for wp7 ;)
[23:15] <hamitron> you got wp7?
[23:16] <directhex> hamitron, http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/407/
[23:17] <directhex> anyway, wake me when another hib6 game hits the ubuntu software centre
[23:17] <directhex> man, i basically hate being awake
[23:17] <directhex> but [place a lot of permitted waking conditions
[23:17] <hamitron> I like wp7 tbh
[23:18] <ali1234> how do i make grep ignore device nodes?
[23:18] <ali1234> trying to grep firmware source and it keeps hanging on target/fs/dev/random etc
[23:19] <ali1234> ah, -D skip
[23:19] <popey> directhex, have you bought the bundle?
[23:20] <directhex> popey, bien sur!
[23:21] <popey> script curling your usc page, and check for updates
[23:21] <popey> notify-osd yourself a ping when it changes :)
[23:21] <directhex> or "go to bed, then wake up tomorrow"?
[23:21] <popey> pffffffft
[23:21] <popey> "slacker"
[23:21]  * popey goes to bed
[23:21] <ali1234> that's a pretty good idea
[23:34] <ball> I'm starting to think I might try Ubuntu again.


[20:19] <arraybolt3> How would I go about logging out all Launchpad sessions other than the one I'm currently using without changing my password? I sometimes will log into LP on a test system to report a bug, then reinstall the test system without logging out of LP first, so I'm worried that I'm accumulating logins that I can never get signed out again unless I change my password.
[20:23] <cjwatson> arraybolt3: I can't think of a way to do it manually.  We have some jobs that automatically remove sessions though: sessions not accessed for 60 days, and sessions older than a day that were never properly logged in, and all but the most recent six authenticated sessions for any given user are all removed automatically.
[20:24] <arraybolt3> Ah, nice. Then in that instance I guess there's no need.


[00:12] <dominiks> it's a pleasure to work with you guys...
[00:12] <dominiks> i was trying to work with Debian community before.. but it was real pain...
[00:13] <BUGabundo> some one needs to read maco blog
[00:13] <BUGabundo> http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2009/03/ubuntu-developers-arent-scary.html
[00:13] <maco> heard mah name
[00:13] <maco> lol
[00:13] <BUGabundo> dominiks: ^^^^^^^^^^
[00:14] <BUGabundo> you girls like to write
[00:14] <BUGabundo> still have 6 blog entries from amger
[00:14] <BUGabundo> *amber
[00:14] <dominiks> lol
[00:20] <dominiks> java community in debian is pretty dead :(
[00:21] <dominiks> i just deleted all my packages from mentors web.. nobody was interested anyway'
[00:21] <dominiks> ops sry wrong chat..
[03:19] <calc> my upstream bug report numbers are better now - 87.56% 84.98% 98.62% :)
[03:34] <Andre_Gondim> when i reported some bug, may I change in launchpad the release nominate? or it's only the sponsor can do this?
[03:40] <Andre_Gondim> when i report some bug, may I change in launchpad the release nominate? or it's only the sponsor that has to do this?
[03:54] <Ryan52> Andre_Gondim: please don't repeat yourself.
[14:07] <bittin_>  /wi1
[14:24] <mdinstuhl> Morning everyone!
[15:01] <bromic94> hey i have issues with connecting to wpa2 enterprise can anyone help me?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> bromic94: I would try in #ubuntu . This channel is mostly for bug triage.
[15:10] <bromic94> charlie-tca: that is a bug
[15:11] <bromic94> i am trying to find out why the "fix" would not work
[15:11] <charlie-tca> sorry, I did not see anything about a "fix" in your question
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Which bug is that?
[16:03] <dominiks> hello, there is broken link on wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#An%20idea%20to%20improve%20Ubuntu
[16:04] <dominiks> it should be http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ instead of https://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[16:08] <greg-g> dominiks: would you be willing to change that for us? that'd be awesome.
[16:09] <dominiks> sure :)
[16:10] <greg-g> dominiks: thank you.
[18:22] <dominiks> is it possible to convert bug to a question if there are some comments already?
[18:46] <greg-g> dominiks: yes.
[18:48] <dominiks> greg-g: thank you
[18:53] <greg-g> np
[20:17] <YoBoY> bug 247978 << whishlist i try to send it upstream
[21:00] <Rocket2DMn> hey all, bug 346477 - I am able to reproduce this, but I'm not sure if the behavior is intentional, and if it should be wishlist or just low priority
[21:00] <Rocket2DMn> im preparing a response, and filing it under gnome-menus
[21:11] <jgoguen> bug 225797, it was explained to me over email that it should be left Triaged, not Won't Fix, because Thunderbird isn't version-specific so it's possible Thunderbird 3 will be provided in previous Ubuntu versions, but the bug has been set to Won't Fix.  Which is correct?
[21:21] <Rocket2DMn> well jgoguen , gnomefreak set it that way, he's on the mozilla team
[21:22] <jgoguen> Rocket2DMn: ok, thanks. Just wanted to make sure.
[21:23] <Rocket2DMn> i wouldve left it Triaged, or even Fix Committed, but maybe they have plans to have a new package for TB when they do add tb3
[21:35] <dominiks> Hey, are there some tips or recommendations for setting up local testing environment (Intrepid/Jaunty, dual boot? live cd? etc...)  for BugSquad members please?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> daily live cds is a good way
[21:36] <BUGabundo> just need to rsync then every so often
[21:36] <BUGabundo> but that won't help much on older releases
[21:36] <BUGabundo> maybe a virtual machine, if you have the RAM for it, dominiks
[21:37] <greg-g> there are pre-built VMWare images of all the releases, but I forget where :)
[21:38] <dominiks> http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/ ?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> greg cdimage
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ot at least it used too
[21:38]  * BUGabundo checks site
[21:38] <BUGabundo> http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[21:38]  * BUGabundo wonders why not VirtualBox ones too!
[21:38] <BUGabundo> OEM requesite?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> bah but that dir is dead
[21:39] <BUGabundo> last one is 7.10
[21:39] <BUGabundo> both are.... it's the same
[21:41] <dominiks> thanks for tip... i'm gonna get myself more familiar with VMWare soon :)
[21:42] <maco> i have a jaunty vbox vm up on the pirate bay.....there's also ubuntu-vm-builder
[21:43] <maco> ubuntu-vm-builder builds a fresh up to date vm in kvm
[21:43] <BUGabundo> maco I forgot about vm-builder
[21:44] <BUGabundo> didn't work for me both times I tried it
[21:44] <BUGabundo> filled bugs... got them fixed
[21:49] <dominiks> there should be a wiki page with all info (best practices) regarding setting up various testing environments (e.g. for reproducing bugs on old Ubuntu releases) for BugSquad newbies
[21:50] <BUGabundo> dominiks: feel free to start it!
[21:51] <dominiks> hmm.. maybe I will.. later.. need get more experiences first :)
[21:52] <BUGabundo> you can start it, and then have others feel in the gaps
[21:52] <BUGabundo> from my experience it's a question of inercia!
[23:16] <dominiks> i found similar page existing in wiki already: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases


[02:06] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[02:09] <head_victim> morning sagaci
[02:09] <head_victim> Actually, just afternoon now
[02:22] <sagaci> head_victim: pm?
[02:22] <head_victim> Anytime
[02:29] <sagaci> added the monthly meeting to the loco cal http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/loco/
[02:30] <sagaci> flick to December to see the first instance - made it recur for each month on the second sunday, just need to change the agenda l.u.c link each month
[02:30] <head_victim> Nice work, I'll try to remember to add a note to the ToDo list for meetings so when we train new people in chairing they can be aware of it so if it ever changes they know to update it there as well
[02:32] <head_victim> You could just point it to the http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au/meetings page so it never really had to be updated
[05:26] <sagaci> jaddi27: how many strings have you done so far?
[05:27] <jaddi27> sagaci, probably between 1000-2000 today
[05:27] <jaddi27> the total has not been updated for a couple of days
[05:27] <sagaci> yeah, must be due to lp updates interfering with karma/translation updates
[05:27] <jaddi27> i'm doing moinmoin now
[05:27] <jaddi27> yes, something like that
[05:28] <sagaci> I think it'll go down to around 33-34,000
[05:28] <sagaci> hopefully
[05:28] <jaddi27> should do
[05:28] <sagaci> i'm doing kxsconfig
[05:29] <jaddi27> ok
[07:01] <sagaci> jaddi27: 800 strings to go
[07:01] <sagaci> in roughly an hour
[07:41] <jaddi27> sagaci, 800 strings until what?
[07:41] <sagaci> under 30,000
[07:41] <sagaci> just another minor goal
[07:42] <jaddi27> Oh, ok
[07:43] <jaddi27> Good to know that you know where we are up to. Hopefully the total gets updated soon
[07:43] <sagaci> will in roughly 30mins-1hour
[07:43] <sagaci> 150 to go
[07:46] <jaddi27> should be there now
[07:47] <sagaci> just finishing off marble
[07:48] <sagaci> hope lp doesn't die around update time
[07:49] <sagaci> done
[07:50] <jaddi27> yes, that would be very annoying
[07:52] <sagaci> 29755 minus what you do now
[07:52] <sagaci> should be
[07:56] <jaddi27> ok. i am finishing marble-qt
[08:02] <sagaci> actually, after that marble-qt is done, that's all of the kde-centric packages done
[08:06] <jaddi27> that will be good
[08:06] <jaddi27> I didn't realise it was that close to being finished
[08:06] <jaddi27> that will only leave a few duplicate packages and some more uncommon ones
[08:07] <sagaci> I'm not going to worry about doing gcc-4.5 or the cpp libs unless they're in precise
[08:10] <jaddi27> that sounds fine
[08:32] <sagaci> jaddi27: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric
[08:32] <jaddi27> 28880
[08:32] <jaddi27> very nice to see that
[08:33] <sagaci> I was expecting 29300 maybe
[08:33] <jaddi27> i think that is the largest jump in one day since I started recording the total in sept
[08:33] <jaddi27> one of us must have done more than you thought
[08:33] <sagaci> 7.6% to go
[08:34] <sagaci> largest jump ever, I think
[08:34] <jaddi27> should be done by monday at that rate
[08:35] <jaddi27> not that I think I will keep it up that much
[08:35] <sagaci> nah, I'll have a lazy day tomorrow, maybe 500 or so out of the ubuntu-docs
[08:36] <jaddi27> ok. I expect I will be much the same
[08:37] <jaddi27> I am now seeing Precise mentioned a few times, so translations for Precise must be opening soon
[08:39] <sagaci> last cycle it wasn't until after alpha 2
[08:42] <jaddi27> ok. still a while before that happens
[11:09] <sagaci> head_victim: how's the brisbane festival/installfest shaping up
[11:30] <head_victim> sagaci: well it's booked
[11:30] <head_victim> It just needs some volunteers and some marketing.
[11:30] <head_victim> If you know anyone half decent at creating flyers who is looking for a project I know of one ;)
[11:30] <head_victim> The only thing I'm worse at than programming is designing stuff.
[11:31] <head_victim> I'm about as artistic as a house brick you might say.
[12:04] <sagaci> i'm sure there's lots of stuff on spreadubuntu you could adaptg
[12:10] <sagaci> head_victim: why don't you just rebrand the ubuntu-vancouver stuff


[14:14] <greg-g> on yesterday's LP Blog's post on private projects, why is this true: " I think the problem here is that Launchpad squads no longer use Launchpad to plan and execute work. There is no place for any interested party to see what the goals of Disclosure is and gauge how we are progressing."
[14:32] <AlanBell> that is very odd indeed greg-g