[00:33] <chrisccoulson> infinity, those flash builds are fine
[00:54] <tumbleweed> SRU team: Sorry I forgot to set DEB_VENDOR and get the LP bug into the changes file for bug 1368418, but it's aged 7 days, and I've verified it.
[00:54] <ubot2> bug 1368418 in zaqar "Fatal RPython error: KeyError/Crash in JIT!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1368418
[01:48] <RAOF> Urgh.
[06:07] <infinity> chrisccoulson_: Released those flash uploads.
[09:20] <mlankhorst> thanks
[09:46] <mlankhorst> can someone remove xorg-server from -proposed? superceeded by a security update
[10:38] <mlankhorst> infinity: ^ enjoy!
[13:30] <cjwatson> proposed-migration is now fully merged up with Debian's lp:britney
[13:30] <cjwatson> some minor changes in output, shouldn't be anything horrible
[17:50] <ogra_> temporary disabled the system-image importer since we need to do a coordinated landing of a device tarball for the phone
[18:14] <ogra_> system-image importer re-enabled
[23:03] <sil2100> Hey! I'm looking for an archive admin that could help me out with some -proposed cleanup!
[23:04] <sil2100> infinity, slangasek: any of you around?
[23:08] <sil2100> Or at least is there anyone that can help me with interpreting update_output.txt?
[23:15] <infinity> sil2100: I can help interpret.
[23:15] <sil2100> infinity: so, I'm trying to push upower 0.99 to ubuntu-rtm, and I synced/rebuilt many of the packages that are needed but now:
[23:15] <sil2100> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/ubuntu-rtm/update_output.txt
[23:16] <sil2100> infinity: I think I'm sometimes misunderstanding the 'Trying easy...' parts
[23:16] <infinity> sil2100: Start from the bottom (ie: the largest autohint block).
[23:16] <infinity>     * i386: firefox-testsuite, gnome-control-center, gnome-session, gnome-settings-daemon, ubuntu-session, unity-control-center, unity-control-center-signon, unity-control-center-signon-autopilot, unity-settings-daemon
[23:17] <infinity> sil2100: ^-- Which tells you that when the massive autohint goes in, those binaries are uninstallable.
[23:17] <infinity> sil2100: And then instead of blindly rebuilding and hoping, perhaps try in a chroot and see why. :)
[23:18] <sil2100> infinity: I'm actually trying on my rtm device, not acting blindly ;) But I need to know actually which packages I should try installing
[23:18] <sil2100> infinity: since my normal way was to actually try installing the packages that it says are non-installable
[23:19] <sil2100> infinity: but not sure if that's what I should be doing
[23:20] <infinity> sil2100: So, you need to try installing all of the above binaries together while also removing the old library you're transitioning away.
[23:20] <infinity> sil2100: Obviously, with -proposed enabled. :)
[23:20] <infinity> sil2100: So "apt-get install thing1 thing2 thing3 oldlib-"
[23:21] <sil2100> Ah! Removing the old lib, crap
[23:22] <sil2100> But by 'installing all above binaries' do you mean those source packages that are listed next to "Trying easy from autohinter"?
[23:22] <sil2100> Since those are source packages listed there
[23:29] <sil2100> infinity: let's say for instance I look at the last line, and there's "armhf: firefox-testsuite, gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon, unity-control-center, unity-control-center-signon, unity-settings-daemon"
[23:30] <sil2100> infinity: when I actually try installin those while removing the old library (e.g. libupower-glib1-) then apt-get actually tells me that it's got issues with installing language packs, which I suppose might be unrelated
[23:31] <sil2100> With things like:
[23:31] <sil2100>  firefox-testsuite : Depends: language-pack-en-base but it is not going to be installed
[23:31] <infinity> Add "language-pack-en-base" to the install line.
[23:31] <infinity> To see why it won't install.
[23:33] <sil2100> hm, so now I don't get it for instance - so when I added language-pack-en-base, it said it cannot install because it depends on language-pack-en - when I added both (and the same for all the other langpacks) it all installs fine
[23:34] <sil2100> e.g. apt-get -s install firefox-testsuite gnome-control-center gnome-settings-daemon unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-settings-daemon libupower-glib1- language-pack-en-base language-pack-en language-pack-es-base language-pack-es language-pack-fr-base language-pack-fr language-pack-pt-base language-pack-pt <- works fine
[23:34] <sil2100> So my question is, what does that mean ;p?
[23:34] <infinity> Not sure.  I might need an rtm chroot here.
[23:35] <sil2100> (I suck at transitions)
[23:35]  * infinity grabs a tarballs.
[23:36] <infinity> s/lls/ll/
[23:38] <sil2100> Thanks for the help, I should have used some better tools to prepare for this
[23:38] <sil2100> Or simply drop this transition and indeed just hack up an ugly touch-and-rtm-specific upower package
[23:42] <infinity> Err, wait.
[23:42] <infinity> sil2100: Is ubuntu-rtm actually published anywhere visible to my laptop?
[23:42] <sil2100> hm, it should be, it's a derived distribution so I suppose it should be fetchable from anywhere
[23:43] <infinity> sil2100: I mean the apt archive, not the launchpad bits.
[23:43] <sil2100> http://derived.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu-rtm/ etc.
[23:43] <infinity> sil2100: As in, what does your sources.list look like when you're testing this.
[23:43] <infinity> Kay.
[23:43] <infinity> That should do.
[23:44] <sil2100> The series is of course 14.09 ;)
[23:44]  * infinity nods.
[23:47] <sil2100> Oh
[23:47] <sil2100> hmm
[23:48] <sil2100> I might see one potential problem!
[23:49] <sil2100> infinity: ok, part of the problem I see already
[23:50] <infinity> sil2100: Which is?
[23:50] <sil2100> infinity: so, I actually need to re-build ubuntu-system-settings, since strangely the one I wanted to push with the silo (and transition) ended up with the same version as what's in the archive
[23:50] <sil2100> So basically u-s-s still deps on the old upower
[23:51] <sil2100> But I'm not sure if that's the whole source of the problem
[23:51] <sil2100> Since I only saw this in the second-from-the-end autohint try
[23:51] <infinity> sil2100: libupower-glib1 is the package you're trying to remove?
[23:51] <sil2100> infinity: yes, it's replaced by libupower-glib3
[23:53] <infinity> sil2100: Hrm.  I'm not pulling in the old one here.
[23:53] <sil2100> infinity: on a chroot?
[23:53] <infinity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9468925/
[23:55] <sil2100> infinity: yeah, since the package left that's probably pulling it in is ubuntu-system-settings
[23:56] <infinity> Oh, indeed.  But weird that I'm not seeing that as a blocker here.
[23:56] <sil2100> infinity: the list of packages from the lowest autohinter doesn't seem to pull it, so I don't know why it's there...
[23:56] <sil2100> Is that an i386 chroot?
[23:56] <sil2100> Since maybe the problem is in i386, but all is fine in armhf and amd64 (and those are just listed there for no reason?)
[23:56] <sil2100> I only checked it for armhf currently
[23:56] <infinity> It's an i386 chroot.
[23:57] <sil2100> hmmm
[23:57] <infinity> Anyhow, ubuntu-system-settings definitely needs a transition, you're right.
[23:57] <infinity> Why my current install set works probably has more to do with me needing to install all those binaries *and* the binaries from the sources being hinted.
[23:58] <sil2100> Thanks for all the pointers, no I guess update_output.txt has less quesitonmarks in my brain
[23:58] <infinity> Which is a longer and more tedious line to construct. ;)
[23:58] <sil2100> Indeed, eek
[23:58] <sil2100> If I could ask you to (just in case) not remove your ubuntu-rtm chroot that would be sweet ;p I might have some more questions once u-s-s is pushed and the transition is still not complete
[23:59] <cjwatson> Don't take the bottom autohinter block, take the top autohinter block after final:
[23:59] <infinity> sil2100: Yeah, I'm not deleting it.
[23:59] <cjwatson> They tend to be ordered from more complete to less complete


[09:37] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3824 xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent: Fix terminal entity (closes bug 83525)
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83525 in xubuntu-docs "Listed location of "Terminal" is incorrect" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83525
[10:20] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3825 xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent: Corrected fix for 83525
[10:56] <mdke> bdmurray: it's about 3 months since I filed my stable release update for ubuntu-docs, it's been sitting in -proposed for ages. Are you able to chase it up again?
[10:57] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:53] <bdmurray> mdke: I spoke to someone about it last Wednesday, I'll ping them again.
[05:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #47416 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Kubuntu Homepage links wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47416
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #61574 in firefox (main) "Broken link in firefox default home page (dup-of: 47416)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61574
[05:59] <nixternal> I just moved that bug over to kubuntu-docs instead
[05:59] <nixternal> it is only our issue as we previously used the about-kubuntu doc for the front page
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #55367 in ubuntu-doc "ServerGuide: "SMTP Authentication" command errors" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55367
[09:20] <mdke> bdmurray: thans
[09:20] <mdke> bdmurray: +k
[10:04] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r3826 xubuntu/libs/xubuntu.ent: correct guimenu structure relating to fix for #83525, also apply this fix to thunar entity


[01:26] <xu-help81w> i am having trouble with my wi-fi can someone help me pls
[01:27] <xu-help81w> hello?
[11:43] <Emerald2> Parting channel to save you all from the spam.
[12:53] <HickorySmokedBac> Is it normal for "snap store snap" to take all day to update after install?
[13:45] <leogames2016> Hello
[13:45] <leogames2016> I'm Using Xubuntu on Virtualbox 6.0 (The Latest Version Used),It works
[13:45] <leogames2016> correctly though gives me a Segmentation Error instead of a Installation
[13:45] <leogames2016> Screen
[13:45] <leogames2016> Its Xubuntu 18.04
[13:51] <tomreyn> virtualbox 6.1 is current upstream
[13:51] <leogames2016> ...
[13:52] <leogames2016> Help me on this
[13:52] <tomreyn> are you using virtualbox packages from (x)ubuntu? or those from virtualbox.org?
[13:53] <leogames2016> Thoses from XUBUNTU
[13:53] <leogames2016> The Oficial Website
[13:54] <tomreyn> (x)ubuntu 18.04 provides virtualbox 5.2.42, though, not 6.0
[13:54] <leogames2016> Why?
[13:54] <tomreyn> probably because that was the currently packaged release back when 18.04 published.
[13:55] <tomreyn> my point is that you are obviously not using the packages from ubuntu 18.04
[13:55] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=bionic-updates&keywords=virtualbox&exact=on
[13:56] <tomreyn> this is where you can get 6.1 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[13:58] <tomreyn> (Upstream, so virtualbox.org packaged) "Version 6.0 will remain supported until July 2020."
[14:00] <leogames2016> Why?
[14:00] <tomreyn> Why?
[14:02] <leogames2016> Well
[14:02] <leogames2016> i am Still using 6.0
[14:02] <leogames2016> BECAUSE I WANT TO
[14:03] <diogenes_> :)
[14:04] <leogames2016> Just Help Me!
[14:04] <leogames2016> How
[14:05] <leogames2016> Xubuntu shows me a Segmentation Error
[14:05] <leogames2016> instead of A INSTALLATION SCREEN
[14:05] <diogenes_> it's not Xubuntu issue.
[14:05] <leogames2016> Why?
[14:06] <leogames2016> On VirtualBox 6.0
[14:07] <leogames2016> diogenes_ Help  me
[14:10] <Maik> you can't demand people to help you leogames2016
[14:30] <leogames2016> ...
[14:30] <leogames2016> Why Maik
[14:44] <Maik> because we are all volunteers and don't get payed to do this.  Keep the channel guidelines in mind: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines because it's leaning towards getting annoying askin "Why3 all the time
[14:45] <Maik> askin/asking
[16:05] <hansh> on Xubuntu 20.04, ,the "File Operation Progress" window's minimize button does *NOTHING*
[16:06] <hansh> how do i make this button work? https://i.imgur.com/5GNbATF.png
[16:06] <hansh> (and it's deleting a large number of files over sshfs, so it will stick around a while
[16:06] <hansh> )
[16:06] <hansh> (sshfs is rather slow)
[16:07] <diogenes_> hansh, afaik you need to minimize the main thunar window.
[16:07] <hansh> that sounds stupid, is that intended or a bug?
[16:08] <hansh> ah yes, minimizing the main thunar window worked. but i don't want to minimize that window, i need the main window
[16:08] <diogenes_> kinda bug but maybe the design.
[16:09] <hansh> in Microsoft Windows, when deleting files, you can minimize the delete progress window without minimizing the folder window; i wish Xubuntu allowed you to do the same.
[16:10] <diogenes_> it's not Xubuntu's responsibility.
[16:11] <hansh> what do you mean?
[16:11] <hansh> do you mean "it's an XFCE thing, not an Xubuntu thing" ?
[16:11] <diogenes_> correct.
[16:15] <brainwash> !bugs
[16:24] <hansh> the guys over at #xfce thinks it's a bug in XFCE
[16:24] <diogenes_> that's obvious.
[16:25] <hansh> oh, it's already a known issue, https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/-/issues/349
[17:01] <mooes> hi all. just installed xubuntu 20.04 on a yoga x1 gen5. so far so good. first time trying xfce and liking it. one issue: resume from suspend usually does not work when closing and reopening the lid. it worked once (lock screen shown, could log back in, and everything works), but usually when I reopen the lid it goes straight to the desktop (no lock screen) but then I cannot do anything. The system is not
[17:01] <mooes> frozen, but I suspect it is still sort of locked. When I send the system into suspend with systemctl suspend, then close the lid, reopen, it seems to work properly every time.
[17:02] <mooes> I know suspend/resume has been an ongoing issue on x1's (yoga/carbon), but as far as I can tell, it is actually working properly, but something seems off with the lid closing action.
[17:24] <mooes> just wondering if somebody here happens to be running xubuntu on an x1 carbon/yoga and has any suggestions for how to fix this
[17:27] <brainwash> mooes: maybe using another screen locker could fix the problem
[17:34] <brainwash> mooes: easiest way would probably be to install xscreensaver and uninstall xfce4-screensaver (disabling its autostart entry may be not enough)
[17:34] <brainwash> then relog and test again
[17:36] <mooes> ok, will give this a try
[17:46] <mooes> hmm, when I went to the settings for the screensaver, it again gave that message "Xfce Power Manager is not configured to handle laptop lid events Your computer may not be locked when you close the lid." I clicked on "Resolve" and maybe that fixed it? Tried suspend with lid closing twice now and both times it worked.
[17:46] <mooes> I had seen that message and clicked on Resolve before - not sure why it came back. But maybe that fixed it now?
[17:46] <brainwash> no clue
[17:47] <brainwash> hopefully it stays fixed
[18:00] <mooes> seems to work now ... amazing. how far we have come: just push the Resolve button and the problem disappears :)
[18:15] <mooes> it is possible to assign two different keyboars shortcuts to the same action? this (https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11038) does not seem to work anymore
[18:25] <mooes> (specifically: wm actions; for application shortcuts, this is not an issue)
[18:46] <brainwash> mooes: no
[18:50] <mooes> ok, I can live with that; just would have been a nice feature
[19:34] <notadog> my computer is taking some time to boot. can someone help me with that?
[19:35] <jatt> notadog: can you try
[19:35] <jatt> systemd-analyze critical-chain
[19:35] <notadog> one sec
[19:36] <notadog> graphical.target @1min 14.560s└─multi-user.target @1min 14.559s  └─smbd.service @1min 12.582s +1.976s    └─nmbd.service @1min 7.523s +5.054s      └─network-online.target @1min 7.383s        └─NetworkManager-wait-online.service @47.773s +19.609s          └─NetworkManager.service @28.216s +19.547s            └─dbus.service
[19:36] <notadog> @28.196s              └─basic.target @27.995s                └─sockets.target @27.994s                  └─snapd.socket @27.991s +2ms                    └─sysinit.target @27.904s                      └─snapd.apparmor.service @27.239s +664ms                        └─apparmor.service @25.033s +2.202s
[19:36] <notadog> └─systemd-journald.socket @4.839s                            └─-.mount @4.830s                              └─system.slice @4.830s                                └─-.slice @4.830s
[19:36] <notadog> sry if it looks bad
[19:36] <jatt> don't paste it here
[19:36] <jatt> !pastebin
[19:37] <notadog> here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wtJh8WBG6B/
[19:40] <jatt> it seems it's taking time waiting for the network manager to connect to the network
[19:40] <notadog> k
[19:41] <notadog> do you need to know system details or anything?
[19:46] <jatt> you can find more hints here (you can try to disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service)
[19:46] <jatt> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1018576/what-does-networkmanager-wait-online-service-do
[19:50] <notadog> thx, ill see if it works
[20:09] <NotADog> jatt, it still takes a while to start. ill send a new pastebin
[20:10] <NotADog> jatt, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gBqD6685nJ/
[20:12] <NotADog> jatt, this snapd thing is taking a chunk of time
[20:26] <tomreyn> that's not super recent, may explain the slowness. but an ssd would be a lot more helpful, i assume.
[20:26] <tomreyn> NotADog: ^
[20:27] <hp___> god i love xfce
[20:28] <diogenes_> hp___, you're not alone my friend :)
[20:28] <hp___> :D
[20:28] <diogenes_> i also like HP laptops.
[20:28] <hp___> me too!!
[20:28] <NotADog> it uses an ide interface though, actualy i have no idea what connector it uses. idk if there is a generally large ssd for what connector i have.
[20:29] <tomreyn> oh, maybe it's about time for a general replacement then.
[20:29] <NotADog> if i give you the laptop modual can you tell me?
[20:29] <NotADog> *model
[20:30] <tomreyn> whether it's about time to replace it? i can already tell you that based on the cpu
[20:31] <NotADog> its actualy realy good, even being in 2007, it has an nvidia chipset.
[20:32] <NotADog> also i am definetly vot intensively gaming or anything like that
[20:35] <tomreyn> if removing snaps / snapd doesn't seem to help, post a system log if you like ( journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 ), maybe there's more that's slowing it down.
[20:36] <NotADog> i uninstalled snapd ill see if its reduced now.


[01:31] <RAOF> Is anyone else having compiz problems with nvidia-180?  Mine seems to corrupt all the GL transformed textures.
[01:31] <RAOF> Woah!  Wobbly is *trippy*.
[01:32] <andersk> RAOF: I'm not (but now I almost wish I did :-P).
[01:33] <RAOF> I wonder if istanbul will capture it.  It's truly nifty.
[01:35] <RAOF> o/` Istanbul is Constantinople / now it's Istanbul not Constantinople / been a long time gone / Constantinople o/`
[01:37] <RAOF> Well, that's disappointing.  Istanbul captures nothing but noise.
[01:39] <RAOF> Mmm, temporary craziness.  Gotta love it.
[01:39] <RAOF> Oh, even better.  Combined with that 'large windows sometimes don't update' XDamage bug.  Sweet.
[10:37] <bryce_> tjaalton: what's your thoughts on UXA for jaunty?
[10:37] <bryce_> I'm leery of it being still too unstable
[10:39] <tjaalton> yeah, and there's the alpha-channel corruption thing
[10:39] <tjaalton> and it crashes my X on resume
[10:46] <bryce_> tjaalton: I'm wondering if we should revert -intel back to 2.4.x given how many people complain about the performance
[10:46] <bryce_> tjaalton: what are your thoughts?
[14:38] <bryce_> tjaalton: I'm wondering if we should revert -intel back to 2.4.x given how many people complain about the performance... your thoughts?
[14:39] <tjaalton> bryce_: the ddx driver doens't have much to do about it
[14:44] <bryce_> tjaalton: mesa?
[14:44] <tjaalton> bryce_: xserver 1.6 depends on 7.3
[14:44] <tjaalton> I think it would be silly to go back :)
[14:45] <bryce_> tjaalton: then how to fix the performance issues?
[14:45] <tjaalton> re-enable patch 107..
[14:45] <tjaalton> and give KDE users the finger ;)
[14:45] <bryce_> we were seeing performance issues before that was dropped
[14:46] <bryce_> ^weren't
[14:47] <jcristau> gem is probably responsible for at least some of the performance problems
[14:53] <desrt> Alexia_Death: you wrote a program that reads the serial port and injects events into the kernel input layer, or...?
[14:53] <Alexia_Death> desrt: No. I made a dbus daemon that adds and removes wacom devices.
[14:54] <Alexia_Death> Why the question?
[14:54] <desrt> just wondering why my tablet isn't working and what needs to be done to make it happen out of the box
[14:55] <Alexia_Death> desrt: Jaunty with all the latest updates?
[14:55] <desrt> downloaded alpha2
[14:55] <Alexia_Death> And what tablet?
[14:55] <desrt> it's an x200 tablet
[14:55] <desrt> (lenovo)
[14:56] <desrt> the tablet shows in hal.  complete with the 'input' and 'input.tablet' capabilities and "Wacom" appearing in the product string
[14:56] <Alexia_Death> Its a serial TabletPC device?
[14:56] <desrt> and the wacom fdi file is installed...
[14:56] <Alexia_Death> you have stylus then.
[14:56] <desrt> ya.  the serial.device points at /dev/ttyS0
[14:56] <desrt> i suppose so
[14:57] <desrt> when i hacked up xorg.conf to manually handle this i added stylus and eraser sections
[14:57] <Alexia_Death> For taplet pc X xonf is OK.
[14:57] <desrt> did you just try to tab-complete irc?
[14:57] <Alexia_Death> Your serial device is not going anywhere.
[14:58] <Alexia_Death> desrt: ?
[14:58] <desrt> 'xonf'
[14:58] <Alexia_Death> conf
[14:58] <desrt> ah.  right.
[14:59] <desrt> i was sort of thinking that it would be nice, though, to have it working for jaunty out of the box
[14:59] <desrt> like, if i go edit my xorg.conf, then it works for me
[14:59] <Alexia_Death> desrt: as to making it work out of the box, HAL should take care of enabling the stylus
[14:59] <desrt> but anyone else who installs on a thinkpad ends up thinking 'ubuntu sucks'
[14:59] <Alexia_Death> So it works there.
[14:59] <Alexia_Death> My daemon can be used for per user conf
[15:00] <desrt> so perhaps i need to know a little more about how X deals with hal
[15:00] <Alexia_Death> desrt: if you are aup for making a configuration utility for it then thats good enough
[15:00] <Alexia_Death> desrt: its really simple.
[15:00] <tjaalton> desrt: didn't you say it works OOTB as a stylus?
[15:00] <desrt> no
[15:00] <desrt> nothing happens at all out of the box
[15:00] <desrt> i mean.. i can make some nice drumming noises, i guess...
[15:01] <tjaalton> then why does lshal show it? pastebin pleas
[15:01] <tjaalton> +e
[15:01] <desrt> but the cursor isn't moving :)
[15:01] <desrt> erm
[15:01] <desrt> that's going to take a little while.  hold on :)
[15:01] <Alexia_Death> desrt: HAL should be able to make the stylus move if it recognizes it.
[15:01] <desrt> right.
[15:01] <desrt> so that's what i found odd :)
[15:01] <Alexia_Death> that is a bug
[15:01] <desrt> good!
[15:02] <desrt> now we're getting somewhere :)
[15:02] <Alexia_Death> the limitation of HAL is that it can add just one device
[15:02] <Alexia_Death> So no eraser.
[15:02] <desrt> it seems sort of like X should work around that
[15:02] <Alexia_Death> you need the daemon for that.
[15:02] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: that's the part i don't understand
[15:02] <Alexia_Death> X does. with allowing DBUS conf.
[15:02] <desrt> like.. this "one physical device = one XInput device" is an incorrect assumption in X, clearly
[15:03] <desrt> hmm
[15:03] <Alexia_Death> desrt: Its an incorrect assumotion in HAL not X
[15:03] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: if the driver gets loaded, then it can add the other devices as it pleases
[15:03] <Alexia_Death> And hall people have said they wont fix it.
[15:03] <desrt> Alexia_Death: how is HAL to know?
[15:03] <jcristau> so no need for a daemon or dbus or anything?
[15:03] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: Im not a driver developer
[15:04] <Alexia_Death> I knw how I can do it now.
[15:04] <desrt> i could buy a brand new pen
[15:04] <jcristau> meh. nobody is.
[15:04] <desrt> and bring it near my laptop
[15:04] <Alexia_Death> Besides, I think its smart to keep that out of the drver
[15:04] <desrt> are you saying HAL should create a new device node for it when that happens?
[15:04] <Alexia_Death> desrt: pen is not the device
[15:04] <Alexia_Death> device is the surface
[15:04] <desrt> absolutely agree
[15:04] <Alexia_Death> that supports pens and erasers
[15:04] <desrt> there is only one surface
[15:05] <Alexia_Death> HAL can only give you support for pen
[15:05] <desrt> supposedly i can use airbrushes and all sorts of other fancy stuff with this...
[15:05] <desrt> any wacom device
[15:05] <Alexia_Death> And like I said, Ive talked to HAL people about it.
[15:05] <Alexia_Death> airbrush is a kind of pen
[15:05] <Alexia_Death> IIRc.
[15:05] <desrt> but i would expect it to show as a separate xinput device
[15:06] <Alexia_Death> serials are used for that I think
[15:06] <Alexia_Death> That support is iffi.
[15:06] <Alexia_Death> I have to go for now.
[15:06] <desrt> k.
[15:06] <Alexia_Death> Ill be back in a little later.
[15:06] <tjaalton> the product mapping could live inside the driver, and initialize the devices it supports
[15:06] <desrt> i'll boot up the live cd again and get lshal
[15:06] <tjaalton> so yes, no daemon needed
[15:07] <desrt> tjaalton: that's sort of what i was thinking
[15:07] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: DAemon is still needed fpr per user configuration
[15:07] <desrt> seems like it should be sufficient for hal to say "there's a wacom serial device here"
[15:07] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: why?
[15:07] <Alexia_Death> You dont expect all users to live with default conf do you.
[15:07] <desrt> and for X to create as many Xinput devices as are required from it
[15:07] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: wacom should just support input properties, then the settings could live in .xsession or gconf or ..
[15:08] <Alexia_Death> desrt: thats in the domain of wacom development. Talk to ping about it.
[15:08] <desrt> tjaalton: you'd need something to bridge the settings over, in that case
[15:08] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: tablet properties need a UI and easy way to change.
[15:08] <jcristau> desrt: that's called a desktop environment
[15:08] <desrt> like gnome-settings-daemon or whatever
[15:08] <Alexia_Death> its not a set once thing.
[15:08] <desrt> jcristau: ya.  exactly.
[15:09] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: yes, but the gui should be provided by the DE (in the long run, we discussed this already :)
[15:10] <Alexia_Death> Nice dreams guys
[15:10] <tjaalton> hehe
[15:10] <Alexia_Death> But its not happening dor jaunty
[15:10] <tjaalton> no
[15:10] <Alexia_Death> what i do works now
[15:10] <jcristau> the ui is completely unrelated to how you pass those properties to the driver..
[15:11] <desrt> this seems to be sort of similar to how gnome configures the keyboard layout and stuff
[15:11] <desrt> someone just needs to teach it about tablets :)
[15:12] <desrt> Alexia_Death: do you have a link to the stuff you wrote?
[15:12] <desrt> lshal -> http://pastebin.com/m49dbb4ad
[15:12] <tjaalton> desrt: ok, then Xorg.0.log
[15:13] <desrt> tjaalton: no mention of the word "wacom" anywhere in there
[15:13] <tjaalton> sure is
[15:13] <desrt> sure isn't
[15:13] <tjaalton> lines 318-333
[15:13] <desrt> in the Xorg.log i mean
[15:13] <tjaalton> ah
[15:13] <tjaalton> was this on jaunty?
[15:13] <desrt> jaunty alpha 2 livecd
[15:14] <tjaalton> ancient! :)
[15:14] <desrt> :)
[15:14] <tjaalton> still, I'd like to see it
[15:14] <desrt> ok
[15:14] <desrt> gimme a sec
[15:14] <tjaalton> I'm surprised that hal picked that up
[15:15] <desrt> http://pastebin.com/mf39b2d0
[15:15] <tjaalton> (WW) config/hal: no driver or path specified for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pnp_WACf004
[15:15] <desrt> ahah
[15:15] <desrt> good catch :)
[15:16] <desrt> thing about that is that i have this /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi
[15:16] <tjaalton> from the wacom driver
[15:17] <desrt> it says that if input.caps contains "input" and product contains "Wacom" then input.x11_driver is set to "wacom"
[15:17] <desrt> and indeed, in the lshal output:
[15:17] <desrt>   input.x11_driver = 'wacom'  (string)
[15:17] <desrt>   input.x11_options.Type = 'stylus'  (string)
[15:17] <desrt> for udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pnp_WACf004'
[15:18] <tjaalton> yes, but I think they should be for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pnp_WACf004_serial_platform_0
[15:18] <tjaalton> also the capabilities
[15:18] <tjaalton> that way the driver would be assigned for it
[15:19] <desrt> the one that has the linux.device_file
[15:19] <tjaalton> either kernel or hal boog
[15:19] <tjaalton> depends where info.capabilities is coming from..
[15:20] <desrt> could also argue that it's an X bug for not querying subdevices to find ports
[15:20] <desrt> and, as these things go, i guess probably there -will- be an argument about that :)
[15:20] <tjaalton> well, if it would list the capabilities for the subdevice, it'd just work
[15:21] <tjaalton> you can do test that by not matching info.cap..
[15:21] <tjaalton> -do
[15:21] <desrt> ya.  i believe that it would work.
[15:21] <desrt> it's also not quite right, though
[15:21] <tjaalton> at least it should be confirmed, so that it's not something else
[15:21] <desrt> because then it will assign the x11 driver to both nodes
[15:21] <tjaalton> that's not a problem
[15:22] <tjaalton> it'll fail to use it for the first one
[15:22] <desrt> i know it's not a problem... X will just say "dur... dunno what to do, so i ignore"
[15:22] <desrt> but that's not right
[15:22] <desrt> seb128: this is why i switched to fedora!
[15:22] <seb128> desrt: good for you!
[15:22] <desrt> damn X hackers breaking my tablet :p
[15:22] <desrt> (or hal hackers...)
[15:23] <tjaalton> whot has done the same already, so you lose :)
[15:23] <desrt> ya.  i noticed.
[15:23] <LLStarks> yo.
[15:23] <LLStarks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1058915
[15:23] <LLStarks> hopefully i can get a nice tester pool for you guys
[15:24] <desrt> X guys need to have a talk with HAL guys, i think
[15:24] <desrt> and figure out what the correct thing to be doing here is
[15:24] <desrt> any workaround done at the vendor level in the meantime will be more or less at the "quick hack" level...
[15:24] <tjaalton> hal is just the messenger I guess
[15:24] <desrt> which is like, half of making a distribution anyway :)
[15:25] <jcristau> desrt: you know, you could send a mail to hal@ today, and get that fixed :)
[15:25] <tjaalton> right, hal is full of quirks
[15:25] <tjaalton> hal-info
[15:26] <tjaalton> desrt: but you should try removing the other match rule to see if it would work then
[15:27] <desrt> i'll just bug david on irc :p
[15:27] <desrt> it's actually really hard for me to check if adding that match rule would make it work
[15:28] <desrt> so i'm gonna hal-set-property instead
[15:29] <desrt> did you guys add nozap?
[15:31] <desrt> didn't fix it
[15:31] <desrt> i think X doesn't even look at the subdevice at all
[15:31] <desrt> i'm gonna try adding the linux device path to the parent node instead
[15:31] <tjaalton> you need to restart hal
[15:31] <desrt> i used hal-set-property
[15:31] <tjaalton> oh
[15:32] <desrt> i can't really make changes and restart... i'm running off of a livecd :)
[15:32] <tjaalton> sure you can
[15:32] <tjaalton> the console is right there
[15:32] <tjaalton> if it works
[15:33] <desrt> still no love
[15:33]  * desrt wonders what xorg log will have to say now
[15:34] <tjaalton> don't bother, just pastebin it ;)
[15:34] <desrt> still "no driver or path" even when i specify the serial path
[15:34] <tjaalton> there should be two entries for them
[15:34] <tjaalton> ?
[15:35] <desrt> i think X doesn't bother visiting the second one
[15:35] <desrt> possibly because it doesn't have the input capability on it
[15:35] <desrt> lemme try adding that
[15:35] <jcristau> X just looks for input.x11_driver
[15:35] <jcristau> afaik
[15:35] <desrt> well, it has that
[15:35] <desrt> i'll try adding the cap
[15:36] <jcristau> then it's missing input.device
[15:36] <tjaalton> oooh, right
[15:37] <tjaalton> it's looking more and more like a hal bug :)
[15:37] <tjaalton> it doesn't seem to handle serial devices too well
[15:38] <desrt> ahh
[15:38] <desrt> X looks for input.device key?
[15:38] <jcristau> yes
[15:38] <desrt> can that be a serial device instead of an evdev?
[15:39] <jcristau> maybe not
[15:39] <tjaalton> try :)
[15:39] <desrt> i got X to notice the second device node by adding the input capability, btw
[15:39] <desrt> but it still fails due to no input.device :)
[15:40] <desrt> wtf
[15:40] <desrt> well
[15:40] <desrt> something happened?
[15:40] <desrt> after so many X server restarts X decided that i was bored of looking at brown
[15:40] <desrt> and put a nice purple pattern on my screen
[15:41] <desrt> lovely as it is, i can't read anything anymore and my system appears to have crashed
[15:41] <desrt> i guess this can't be blamed on HAL bug :)
[15:41] <tjaalton> so no console anymore?
[15:41] <desrt> nah.  completely dead
[15:42] <desrt> my caps lock was flashing.  that's usually a bad sign.
[15:42] <tjaalton> ok
[15:42] <desrt> probably some weird race in the video driver or something
[15:42] <desrt> and after so many restarts i finally hit it
[15:42] <tjaalton> a feature in the drm driver
[15:42] <tjaalton> or so
[15:42] <desrt> yes.  feature.
[15:42] <desrt> "you've seen too much brown.  how about some lovely purple?"
[15:43] <tjaalton> how did you kill the server?
[15:43] <desrt> either the ubuntu livecd boot has gotten one hell of a lot faster or my new laptop is cooler than i thought
[15:43] <desrt> i logged out
[15:43] <tjaalton> ok
[15:43] <desrt> i think you guys enabled nozap
[15:43] <tjaalton> no, upstream
[15:43] <desrt> ah
[15:43] <desrt> that is my preferred way of restarting X :)
[15:44] <desrt> s/is/was/ i guess
[15:44] <tjaalton> still there to be enabled if you wish
[15:44] <tjaalton> just not on by default
[15:45] <desrt> erm
[15:45] <desrt> ok.  this is odd.
[15:45] <desrt> it's doing it again
[15:45] <desrt> this is the second time, now, that it has happened immediately after me adding input.device
[15:45] <desrt> i'm starting to suspect causation
[15:46] <desrt> i have no idea how that would work, though
[15:46] <desrt> but no capslock flash this time
[15:48] <desrt> maybe X has changed the video mode, but not put anything on the screen
[15:48] <desrt> then it goes to open the device and crashes
[15:48] <desrt> so i see the uninitialised screen -- purple
[15:48] <desrt> whereas had it gotten past opening the device, it would have gotten to the part where it puts non-purple stuff on the screen
[15:51] <tjaalton> dunno
[15:51] <desrt> i'm gonna try starting X under gdb over ssh
[15:53] <desrt> fecking network manager.  nm-applet appears to tear down the wifi when you take down X
[15:53] <desrt> grrr
[15:54]  * desrt stops caring for now and tries to get some real work done instead
[15:54] <desrt> maybe later :)
[15:54] <tjaalton> sure :)
[16:03] <Alexia_Death> desrt: http://a.death.pri.ee/watahod-0.4.1.tar.gz bonuspointd for figuring out without handholding how to use it.
[16:03] <LLStarks|Bored> hi. quick question. is there a reason why restarting x has been made impossible for laptops without a dedicated sysrq key?
[16:05] <bryce_> LLStarks, because people accidentally hit the key combo and it kills their x.  sysrq has little to do with it
[16:06] <tjaalton> LLStarks|Bored: try printscreen
[16:06] <jcristau> 'impossible'. heh.
[16:06] <jcristau> sudo killall Xorg still works :)
[16:11] <Alexia_Death> bryce_: its intentional that I cant kill my X with ctrl alt backspace? Awww... its such a usefull combo
[16:12] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: sure you can, it's just not enabled by default
[16:13] <Alexia_Death> no clue how to enable it:P
[16:13] <jcristau> reading docs is hard
[16:14] <bryce_> Alexia_Death: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/
[16:15] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: figuring out if its a bioug ora feature that it does not work is hard:P
[16:16] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: fair enough
[16:18] <Alexia_Death> :)
[16:19] <jcristau> maybe i should add that in NEWS.Debian so i at least can beat people with that stick :)
[16:20] <tjaalton> heh
[16:45] <_MMA_> In Jaunty, what nvidia driver should one use for a GeForce 6 series card?
[16:58] <superm1> _MMA_, jockey isn't ready in jaunty yet, but you will probably need nvidia-glx-180 or nvidia-glx-177
[17:00] <_MMA_> superm1: Ok. I think I got -180 installed and I *still* (since Edgy) cant get my proper res back on the HTPC. So I'm thinking I need to use a legacy driver or something.
[17:00] <superm1> _MMA_, i would recommend holding off until jockey is ready.  it will be able to tell you what driver you are supposed to be using
[17:01] <superm1> resolutions are detected via the EDID of your television set generally
[17:01] <tjaalton> hmm so -180 supports the 6-series.. which means -177 should probably be dropped
[17:02] <_MMA_> superm1: And that's when my problems started. ;) My modline no longer worked. :)
[17:03] <superm1> _MMA_, if you have a bad TV EDID there are methods to add modelines.  You'll have to read the NV readme on their website for the exact options to let you do it though
[17:05] <_MMA_> superm1: Hell with it. I'll just stick with windows on the box 'till I build a new one. I've really put out tons posts and read alot to try to solve this. Gonna be easier to just buy new stuff.
[17:05] <superm1> _MMA_, the problem is most likely your TV set if the EDID is bad.  I'd check for TV firmware updates before you scrap all this
[17:05] <tjaalton> and not get nvidia this time?-)
[17:06] <superm1> tjaalton, TV's with bad EDID's don't handle so well with any of the drivers from what i've seen....
[17:07] <_MMA_> tjaalton: Well they still work better than ATI. :)
[17:07] <_MMA_> And I'm unsure if Intel can do 1080p. Still gotta look at that.
[17:08] <superm1> at least for the moment the hardware acceleration you get out of NVIDIA drivers for XvMC and libvdpau and what not makes them more attractive generally for HTPC's.
[17:08] <superm1> until Intel supports VA-API that will probably be the case
[17:08] <tjaalton> oh well, I'm happy to not need the craphics card (pun intended) on my htpc at all
[17:14] <_MMA_> superm1: Any of the jaunty players using XvMC and libvdpau now?
[17:20] <superm1> _MMA_, mythtv trunk does.  we may or may not be uploading it to jaunty though.  it's living in a PPA until upstream blesses it
[17:21] <superm1> _MMA_, I dont think ffmpeg is getting uploaded with the support until jaunty+1, so the rest of the apps will follow that
[17:22] <_MMA_> superm1: Ok. Maybe one day, I'll get this all sorted out. I can't even find a soundcard that works with SPDIF right. I have one, but have only had it work correctly once.
[17:22]  * _MMA_ shrugs.
[18:48] <LLStarks> note to self. holding down printscreen for 1 second yields 100 prompts.
[18:49] <LLStarks> alt+printscreen as well.
[18:49] <LLStarks> i can't access sysreq from this inspiron.
[18:49] <LLStarks> and if i can't  restart x on a whim, i'll be sad
[18:52] <LLStarks> also, i want to punch the google earth devs for having atmosphere on by default.
[18:52] <LLStarks> i know it sounds hypocritical with regard to my stance on uxa, but jeez.
[19:03] <tjaalton> does alt+prtscr+h work from the console?
[19:03] <tjaalton> should print out the hotkeys that work


[12:48] <cprofitt> morning
[15:59] <cjohnston> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/propose-meeting-not-attendee/+merge/153465 is updated to fix the tests from the 1.4 MP
[16:03] <cjohnston> mhall119: I really need those two branches merged today please
[16:09] <mhall119> cjohnston: are the tests passing now?
[16:14] <cjohnston> mhall119: I still have the one transient test for reschedule
[16:14] <cjohnston> sometimes it removes the meeting, sometimes it doesnt
[16:15] <mhall119> I thought I fixed that one in a previous MP
[16:16] <cjohnston> dunno.. daker watched it.. it was failing 0!=1, I switched it to 1, because reschedule shouldn't delete both meetings, and then it failed 1!=0, then it would pass, then it would fail again
[16:17] <mhall119> I made a change to check that one or the other is scheduled, but not both
[16:17] <mhall119> since we couldn't predict which one would be unscheduled, just that one of them would
[16:18] <cjohnston> oh, you did
[16:24] <cjohnston> mhall119: its still giving me 1!=0
[16:24] <mhall119> :/
[16:27] <cjohnston> and now it passed 8 times in a row
[16:33] <cjohnston> mhall119: 163 tests passed about a dozen times
[16:33] <cjohnston> fire away
[20:44] <rsajdok> daker: Should I create the superuser?
[20:59] <daker> rsajdok: well if you want to use the livedata you need to comment line 27 on Makefile
[21:15] <rsajdok>  daker: thank you


[08:58] <spiv> _gentgeen_: Yes :)
[08:58] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: you want to compile ?
[08:59] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, havent learnd that part yet
[08:59] <LinuxJones> mir, have you looked @gfax ?
[08:59] <RuffianSoldier> it has an installer
[08:59] <_gentgeen_> spiv, Sorry, not sure what you mean by "Try installing linux-386 (or linux-686...)"
[08:59] <gruberman> Can someone tell me how I can talk my wife into installing ubuntu on the main comp? :)
[09:00] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: so it's a binary and probably not version compatible :(
[09:00] <RuffianSoldier> no, its not a binary
[09:00] <GotD0t> gruberman: easy... giver her an expensive gift with the money you would save by not using windows
[09:00] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: what else ?
[09:00] <RuffianSoldier> ive installed it on Ubuntu on my other computer, had the same problem, but forgot how i fixed it
[09:01] <spiv> _gentgeen_: sudo aptitude install linux-386
[09:01] <spiv> _gentgeen_: :)
[09:01] <gruberman> GotD0t: Or your old g-strings :)
[09:01] <spiv> _gentgeen_: It's a dummy package that always depends on the latest version.
[09:01] <GotD0t> gruberman: I'm sure she'd love that...
[09:01] <gruberman> Nah, still need windows for music
[09:01] <GotD0t> gruberman?
[09:01] <gruberman> yes
[09:02] <GotD0t> gruberman: what do you mean you need it for music?
[09:02] <gruberman> making music. theres no good sequencers on linux yet. (VST/VSTi and such)
[09:02] <_gentgeen_> ogra, /proc/cpuinfo says AMD-k6 with 381.(something) Mhz
[09:03] <maxdeo> wireless, changed the key to hex but still wont connect; may have something to do with the key being SHARED?
[09:03] <GotD0t> gruberman: oh...
[09:03] <spiv> _gentgeen_: I'd install linux-686 then.
[09:04] <ogra> _gentgeen_: update your kernel as spiv said
[09:05] <jonah> hi ! i am searching for a tutorial to hear mp3 and watching movies. can anyone help me out ?
[09:05] <swim> hi, trying to burn an iso, havent had any luck, how should I start burning it? (most sure way? Ive already wasted 2 out of 5 disks)
[09:06] <Tenniru> Uh... I just compiled SDL... and I have no idea what to do. When I compile something that needs SDL, it can't find it.
[09:06] <Tenniru> Do I move the SDL folder to /usr/lib?
[09:06] <_gentgeen_> spiv, ogra, wouldn't I need to be connected to do the apt-get,
[09:06] <_gentgeen_> or just the original install cd?
[09:07] <ogra> _gentgeen_: or aptitude or synaptic
[09:07] <spiv> _gentgeen_: To get a newer version, you'll need to be connected, yes.
[09:07] <Skif> lovely
[09:07] <jonah> any ideas for mp3-playing ?!
[09:07] <Skif> I just upgraded (and installed ubuntu-calendar and ubuntu-calendar-october) and got
[09:07] <ogra> _gentgeen_: but you can do it with sudo apt-get install  linux-386
[09:07] <Skif> Preconfiguring packages ...
[09:07] <Skif> (Reading database ...
[09:07] <Skif>                       Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong
[09:07] <GotD0t> jonah: xmms
[09:07] <Tenniru> xmms is a good music player, yes.
[09:08] <spiv> _gentgeen_: Doing "apt-get install linux-386" would work from CD, but it sounds like your CD doesn't have a recent enough version on it.
[09:08] <ogra> _gentgeen_: oh, sorry misread
[09:08] <Tenniru> Or that Music Player thing that comes with GNOME. I think it's mpg123 with a frontend.
[09:08] <jonah> thanks ...
[09:08] <GotD0t> jonah: just do sudo apt-get update
[09:08] <GotD0t> then sudo apt-get isntall xmms
[09:08] <Skif> Tenniru: that's RhythmBox
[09:08] <Tenniru> Oh.
[09:08] <GotD0t> err
[09:08] <GotD0t> install*
[09:09] <swim> anyone please?
[09:09] <Tenniru> Now... what do I do about SDL? I just used make on it, it made, but when I compile something that needs SDL it can't find it.
[09:09] <Tenniru> What do I do?
[09:09] <gruberman> Skif: What's ubunti calendar?
[09:09] <Skif> gruberman: should install new backgrounds every month
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> someone who knows about broken packages in debian please come to #libranetfl
[09:09] <swim> hi, trying to burn an iso, havent had any luck, how should I start burning it? (most sure way? Ive already wasted 2 out of 5 disks)
[09:10] <swim> sorry to repeat
[09:10] <gruberman> ok
[09:10] <ogra> Skif:  ubuntu-calendar-october ???
[09:10] <Skif> ogra: that would be the unbutu artwork for october
[09:10] <ficusplanet> swim, How have you been trying to do it?
[09:11] <ogra> Skif:  ubuntu-calendar ids enough
[09:11] <_gentgeen_> spiv, ogra, thanks -- gonna give it a try with my cd.  Otherwise I may have to wait and download a newer iso
[09:11] <inklingx> swim: in nautilus right-click on the iso and choose "write to disc"?
[09:11] <Skif> ogra: well, yeah, but it drags in u-c-october, no?
[09:11] <ogra> Ski yep
[09:11] <swim> inklingx yes that fails after a short while and makes the disk useless
[09:11] <Skif> ogra: exactly my point
[09:11] <ogra> Skif: sudo apt-get update ?
[09:11] <swim> ficusplanet, Ive tried nautilus right-click really the only way
[09:12] <ficusplanet> You can install k3b from Universe.
[09:12] <Skif> ogra: I prefer aptitude, but I've done the update, now I'm doing the dist-upgrade
[09:12] <Tenniru> It's a great OS.
[09:12] <ogra> Skif: it's there ;)
[09:12] <Sensebend> it is so much of an improvement over Sarge
[09:12] <ficusplanet> swim, But I've never had problems with Nautius-CD-Burner personally.
[09:13] <Tenniru> Really just as powerful as MacOS X, and certainly ahead of Windows...
[09:13] <swim> ficusplanet, Ive tried with k3b but when I go to burn there is no burner to select...
[09:13] <GotD0t> skif antenna for what? satelite?
[09:14] <WW> swim: Didn't Nautilus work?
[09:14] <Skif> GotD0t: no, I'm a member of an 802.11 co-op; I can't get any other kind of faster-than-dialup connection right now
[09:15] <swim> WW no burnt a bit on the disk and made it useless
[09:15] <GotD0t> skif: do you need an FCC license for that?
[09:15] <Tenniru> Okay... how am I supposed to install a new skin on xmms?
[09:15] <inklingx> swim: you could also try cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -v /dev/yourburner
[09:15] <GotD0t> Tenniru: that is a good question
[09:15] <Skif> GotD0t: no, it's 802.11... just like the wireless in your coffeeshop.
[09:15] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: i looked at pogo, you'll need imlib11-dev
[09:15] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[09:16] <inklingx> swim: oops:  you could also try cdrecord dev=/dev/cdbunrer -v /path/to/iso
[09:16] <Tenniru> I don't like the default one. It clases with Human terribly.
[09:16] <RuffianSoldier> thats what i thought ogra
[09:16] <Tenniru> *clashes
[09:16] <_gentgeen_> just tried "apt"ing linux-686 and linux-386, both returned as an unknown package
[09:16] <GotD0t> skif: no, i mean for having a high gain antenna
[09:16] <_gentgeen_> guess that means I need to get a newer ISO
[09:16] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: and probably imlib-base
[09:16] <Skif> GotD0t: no, 24dB isn't that much, really; I'm only driving it with a 100mW card
[09:16] <GotD0t> skif: oh ok
[09:17] <GotD0t> skif: so how does a 802.11 co-op work?
[09:17] <Skif> GotD0t: we put omnidirectional antennae on various mountains around here, and you pay $x/mo to have access.
[09:18] <Skif> you have to have LOS to the mountain, which is why we have multiple antennae
[09:18] <GotD0t> im sorry. LOS?
[09:18] <Skif> GotD0t: http://www.cwx.net/ if you want more info
[09:18] <Skif> LOS==Line of SIght
[09:18] <GotD0t> gotcha
[09:20] <_gentgeen_> ogra, spiv -- thanks for the help
[09:20] <ogra> _gentgeen_: how old is your iso ?
[09:20] <gruberman> lol.. desklets was i bit more complicated than i thought
[09:21] <_gentgeen_> Not very -- 3-4wks maybe
[09:21] <GotD0t> skif: thats pretty cool
[09:21] <ogra> _gentgeen_: a lot happened since then ;)
[09:22] <_gentgeen_> I see that :-)
[09:22] <Skif> GotD0t: the other nice thing is that, being a co-op, prices go DOWN over time.
[09:22] <GotD0t> Skif: yea... unlike other internet providers with prices that usually go up
[09:22] <_gentgeen_> I was just looking at the site, so there is now a live cd?  any try it yet?
[09:22] <Skif> I've had two rate reductions since I started with them about a year ago.
[09:23] <GotD0t> Skif: how much do you pay /month?
[09:23] <Skif> GotD0t: $40, but it's paid quarterly
[09:23] <GotD0t> Skif: wow
[09:31] <Tenniru> How do I create a shortcut/alias?
[09:31] <Tenniru> In Ubuntu?
[09:32] <gruberman> Oooops... I actually managed to get a gdesklet display
[09:32] <ogra> Tenniru: mouse wise ?
[09:32] <Tenniru> Yes?
[09:33] <ogra> Tenniru: drag with middle mouse
[09:33] <Tenniru> I only have a one-button mouse. iBook.
[09:34] <ogra> Tenniru: i guess there is a modifier key, dunno which though
[09:34] <Tenniru> Oh well...
[09:35] <avar> is there an mp3 player in the default ubuntu install?
[09:36] <Tenniru> Yes.
[09:36] <Treenaks> avar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats tells you how to enable it in Rhythmbox
[09:36] <Treenaks> avar: and totem
[09:36] <Tenniru> It's a pretty decent one, too. Pretty much iTunes without iTMS, iPod sync, smart playlists, or brushed metal.
[09:37] <avar> or actual audio playing capability it seems;)
[09:37] <gruberman> Anyone knows a fun gdesklet?
[09:37] <Tenniru> Yeah. It seemed to crash when I tried streaming radio.
[09:37] <Tenniru> I strongly reccomend XMMS. Imagine WinAmp, but... uh... well, that's about it.
[09:37] <avar> so all the fun stuff is in universe?
[09:38] <Skif> there's quite a bit of fun stuff in main
[09:38] <avar> not audio and video players worth anything it seems.
[09:38] <Skif> one thing that bugs me about xmms is that if you run at high resolutions, say 1600x1200, the buttons and text are so tiny, it's hard to read
[09:38] <Tenniru> Yeah.
[09:39] <Tenniru> Hey... how do I unlock a folder? My XMMS folder seems... locked.
[09:39] <Tenniru> I need to move something into it!
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: I prefer rhythmbox..
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: huh?
[09:39] <Tenniru> Lock icon on the folder.
[09:39] <diego> Tenniru: you mean you don't have write access?
[09:39] <avar> Skif, i dont use the buttons ever though,
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: which folder are you trying?
[09:39] <avar> just the hotkeys
[09:39] <Tenniru> Can't write... yeah.
[09:39] <Sensebend> preferences fonts
[09:39] <ficusplanet> I love muine.
[09:39] <Tenniru> .xmms in home.
[09:39] <Sensebend> you can change the font size in XMMS there
[09:39] <Treenaks> Tenniru: did you start xmms as root?
[09:39] <Skif> avar: even so, it's hard to read the text of what's playing
[09:40] <avar> Skif, get BMP, you can resize it there.
[09:40] <Skif> avar: BMP?
[09:40] <Treenaks> Skif: beep-media-player
[09:40] <avar> Skif, Z-B, in the exact  same order as  the back,stop,play etc. buttons
[09:40] <Tenniru> I... am in Nautilus. Trying to move a file to the folder.
[09:40] <Tenniru> Folder is locked. How do I fix this?
[09:40] <Skif> avar: thanks, but as I said, the poor little brain will probably not retain
[09:40] <diego> Tenniru: post the output of `ls -al ~ | grep .xmms`
[09:41] <Skif> anyway, rhythmbox plays .flac and .ogg, and that's all I want out of it
[09:41] <Tenniru> Thanks
[09:41] <Tenniru> Hey... I'd use RythmBox if it didn't crash when I tried streaming radio.
[09:41] <Tenniru> I need that.
[09:41] <Skif> I get billed on bandwidth, so streaming radio is not my friend
[09:42] <LinuxJones> Skif, where are you from ?
[09:42] <ogra> Tenniru: ever tried streamtuner ?
[09:42] <Tenniru> What is this?
[09:42] <Tenniru> I just want something that will play my music AND to radio.
[09:43] <diego> Tenniru: what does that line i posted say?
[09:43] <ogra> Tenniru: shoutcast radio tuner, thousands of stations
[09:43] <Skif> LinuxJones: Loveland, CO, USA
[09:43] <Tenniru> Well, oookay.
[09:43] <LinuxJones> Skif, there are no ISP's in your area that has a flat rate. Paying by the gig sounds horrible :P
[09:43] <Tenniru> Line you posted. Entered it. NOthing happens.
[09:43] <ogra> Tenniru: with streamripper it's able to record ;)
[09:44] <diego> Tenniru: really? odd....and you have run xmms before?
[09:44] <Tenniru> What is? RythmBox?
[09:44] <Tenniru> I have. I'm just trying to install a skin.
[09:44] <Skif> LinuxJones: I pay for a certain level of usage, billed at the 90th percentile
[09:44] <Tenniru> It runs fine, except I HATE THE DEFAULT SKIN.
[09:44] <ogra> Tenniru: called music-player in the menu
[09:44] <Tenniru> I know.
[09:44] <diego> so he's run xmms before yet has no .xmms directory? what do you people make of this?
[09:44] <GotD0t> do a google on xmms and on the xmms page there are skins available
[09:45] <GotD0t> and it should tell you how to install them
[09:47] <cenerentola> fffff
[09:54] <diego> oh my word.
[09:54] <diego> pwn3d by sendak
[09:54] <diego> it feels so roomy in here now
[09:54] <LinuxJones> wheeeee
[09:54] <ogra> yo
[09:54] <Tenniru> Ah. Unlocked it.
[09:54] <Skif> LinuxJones: I am too far from the CO to get DSL, and the cable company does not offer cable internet here... I don't have a helluva lot of options
[09:54] <LinuxJones> Skif, ya that sucks
[09:54] <ogra> Skif: german ?
[09:54] <Skif> I have plenty of bandwidth for IRC and downloading .debs
[09:54] <diego> how are runlevels handled in ubuntu?
[09:54] <Skif> ...and upload them for that matter
[09:54] <diego> how are runlevels handled in ubuntu?
[09:54] <LinuxJones> diego, update-rc.d
[09:54] <Skif> ogra: er, can you be more terse, please?  I might have an idea what you were asking?
[09:54] <ogra> Skif: you are german, eh ?
[09:54] <Skif> ogra: nope.  Born in Memphis, home of the King, baby.
[09:54] <Skif> mmm, poffertjes.
[09:54] <diego> LinuxJones: is that the same as gentoo's rc-update or just similarly named?
[09:54] <Skif> and stroopwafels!
[09:54] <LinuxJones> diego, not really
[09:54] <Skif> Americans just don't know what we're missing with the imported stuff
[09:54] <LinuxJones> diego, to add a service startup script to the default rl's 2345 you would do update-rc.d <ScriptServiceName> defaults
[09:54] <Tenniru> Next question. I have downloaded SDL, the folder is in my Desktop, and I just finished make-ing it.
[09:54] <Tenniru> Where do I go now?
[09:54] <ogra> Tenniru: why didn'T you take the ubuntu package ?
[09:54] <diego> LinuxJones: i see...mine always hangs on setting up networking or something...i'm not sure whether to remove that or try and fix it
[09:54] <Tenniru> I did, but when I tried to compile ZSNES it says it needs SDL.
[09:54] <Tenniru> So I figured I need to install a newer version (it wants SDL 1.2.7)
[09:55] <Tenniru> I mean, it wants SDL 1.2.0.
[09:55] <Skif> Tenniru: did you install libsdl1.2-dev ?
[09:55] <Tenniru> I don't know.
[09:55] <ogra> Tenniru: there is znes in universe.....
[09:55] <LinuxJones> diego, the boot process stalls when starting networking ?
[09:55] <Skif> Tenniru: when you compile something, you need the -dev package in addition to the regular library package.
[09:55] <diego> LinuxJones: yeah
[09:56] <diego> LinuxJones: i always either have to wait for a really long time out or ctrl+c it
[09:56] <Skif> SO if configure says "can't find sdl library" you need ot think "hrm, I need libsdl and libsdl-dev (or in this case libsdl1.2 and libsdl1.2-dev)"
[09:56] <diego> LinuxJones: any ideas? this is on a laptop but an internal wifi card
[09:56] <Tenniru> SO... what do I do?
[09:57] <diego> ogra: lol
[09:57] <LinuxJones> diego, Ubuntu is not very swift during boot (for me anyway) :D
[09:57] <Skif> Tenniru: install znes from universe?
[09:57] <Tenniru> What is Universe?
[09:57] <ctalkep> hi guys
[09:57] <Skif> Tenniru: see the FAQ
[09:57] <Tenniru> Yes, I'm clueless...
[09:57] <Tenniru> Okay.
[09:57] <ctalkep> need help for installing mplayer
[09:57] <ogra> Tenniru: enable universe in synaptic: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[09:57] <diego> LinuxJones: think if i add the networking modules to modules.autoload it would help?
[09:57] <ctalkep> did some google and found repositories, yet apt-get reports broken dependencies
[09:58] <LinuxJones> diego, add your module to /etc/modules
[09:58] <LinuxJones> diego, that could be your problem right there
[09:58] <ctalkep> what do i do now??
[09:58] <diego> LinuxJones: all right, i'll try that later and let you know.. networking _does_ work though...
[09:59] <LinuxJones> diego, you don't have to load it manually ?
[09:59] <diego> LinuxJones: nope
[09:59] <ogra> ctalkep: what kind of repos ?
[09:59] <LinuxJones> diego, that
[09:59] <cenerentola> hi all there
[09:59] <gruberman> How compatible is openoffice and the m$ office?
[10:00] <ctalkep> ogra, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[10:00] <cenerentola> well access is not compatible..
[10:00] <LinuxJones> diego, GL
[10:00] <ogra> gruberman: pretty good, there are some font issues sometimes...and macros are bad on linux ;)
[10:00] <diego> LinuxJones: Requesting a sentence! i have no idea what you just tried to tell me
[10:00] <LinuxJones> gruberman, it's not 100 % compatible but not bad
[10:01] <LinuxJones> diego, sorry I mis-typed :P
[10:01] <ogra> ctalkep: did you sudo apt-get update ?
[10:01] <cenerentola> all: sorry but who should i ask to for the installer translation?
[10:01] <Tenniru> Arg. I have to go.
[10:01] <Tenniru> Bye.
[10:01] <ctalkep> ogra, yep
[10:01] <ctalkep> libvorbis0 conflicts with some other pacjages on my machine
[10:02] <ogra> ctalkep: try changing from stable to testing
[10:02] <ctalkep> how do i do that?
[10:02] <ogra> ctalkep: change the word stable to testing
[10:02] <LinuxJones> diego, you could look @ the output of dmesg to see if something is having trouble during boot.
[10:03] <diego> LinuxJones: ah yes, will do
[10:03] <ctalkep> ogra, reports ackages
[10:03] <ctalkep> sorry
[10:03] <ctalkep> ogra, reports broken packages
[10:04] <ogra> ctalkep: have you enabled universe ?
[10:04] <tvon|x31> mdz: Hey, your wiki link in the Hoary kickoff mail doesnt seem to exist
[10:04] <trondaso> digeo: does your laptop have another NIC?
[10:04] <diego> trondaso: it has 1 wired nic and 1 wireless nic, neither are pcmcia
[10:05] <ctalkep> yes
[10:05] <tvon|x31> mdz: ah, its HoaryKickoffMeeting
[10:05] <ctalkep> ogra, my mistake, i have left another record in the sources.list with stable main
[10:05] <trondaso> diego: it could be your wired nic waiting for dhcp
[10:05] <tvon|x31> mdz: sending correction to list
[10:05] <ogra> ctalkep: ahh
[10:05] <ctalkep> ogra, it is downloading now, did not report errors
[10:05] <diego> trondaso: hmm...how could i look at that?
[10:06] <ctalkep> ogra, stupid of me ....
[10:06] <ogra> ctalkep: will work ;)
[10:06] <ctalkep> ogra, thanks a lot:)
[10:08] <trondaso> diego: you could try to substitue auto eth0 with noauto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:08] <diego> trondaso: ty
[10:09] <trondaso> diego: but then you would have to bring your wired nic up manually when needed
[10:09] <diego> trondaso: yeah that shouldn't be a big deal
[10:10] <diego> trondaso: or maybe i could put a 3 second timeout on it
[10:10] <trondaso> diego: yeah, that would probably do the trick
[10:11] <ogra> mdz: the link from the mail to the Kickoff page doesn't work (at least in evo) .....strange behavior
[10:12] <ogra> mdz: ahh, it's missing Hoary
[10:13] <ogra> mdz: sent a correction
[10:14] <tvon|x31> ogra: hah, I just sent one
[10:14] <ogra> lol: deutsche genauigkeit ?
[10:15] <tvon|x31> who?
[10:16] <GotD0t> does anybody know of any good DVD authoring apps?
[10:16] <ogra> tvon|x31: your name implies yor're german
[10:17] <tvon|x31> ogra: oh, yes, by name only :)
[10:17] <ogra> oh
[10:17] <ogra> ok, balimore, i see.... *g*
[10:17] <tvon|x31> yup :)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, I don't think that there are any atm :D
[10:18] <GotD0t> So I guess I need a mac, considering there are not any that allow for full customization in windows
[10:20] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, Mac's are the only real option for Multimedia/Authoring at the moment
[10:20] <GotD0t> linux: there has to be SOMETHING that works on windows or linux
[10:22] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, there was 1 project (that I know of) in development for Linux let me have a look.
[10:23] <diego> well i'm outta here, thanks for the suggestions earlier
[10:23] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, dvd author >> here's a link from Linux Journal of it in action http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6953
[10:24] <LinuxJones> GotD0t, it's not pretty either :D
[10:25] <GotD0t> LinuxJones: i dont need pretty, i need functional
[10:25] <khronic> PearPC running iDVD? :P
[10:27] <dmallery_> help: stuck after base-config asks for wrong cd...
[10:28] <GotD0t> dmallery_ you should remove the CD from the repositories list
[10:30] <dmallery_> you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:30] <GotD0t> yea
[10:30] <dmallery_> thanks...
[10:30] <GotD0t> just comment out deb cdrom:
[10:34] <srbaker> okay, so it takes about 15 minutes for gnome to start on my laptop
[10:34] <srbaker> the problem is (i think) acpi or apic related.
[10:34] <srbaker> can someone help me troubleshoot this?
[10:34] <ogra> srbaker: DMA ?
[10:34] <__daniel> does dmesg complain?
[10:35] <ogra> srbaker: how long does it take to open a file ?
[10:36] <srbaker> ogra, n, it's not dma
[10:36] <srbaker> __daniel, dmesg complains about pciehp and shpch
[10:36] <khronic> ubuntu is a breath of fresh air.. :)
[10:36] <srbaker> p
[10:37] <__daniel> srbaker, hm, seems quite normal
[10:37] <ogra> srbaker: no prob, it's a cosmetic issue
[10:37] <__daniel> srbaker, /var/log/syslog doesnt say anything funny?
[10:37] <will> hi, when i run a WINE program, the wine-systray stays up and 'closing it' is not a valid option, i have to kill it with system monitor, does anyone know what this is about?
[10:38] <stodge> Is there a way to refresh the Gnome menu - it doesn't get updated after I install an app using Synaptic
[10:39] <srbaker> __daniel, no.  and it's not normal
[10:39] <srbaker> under debian, i don't have this problem ever if i'm sure to use acpi=force on the kernel cmd line
[10:39] <srbaker> in fedora, the same
[10:39] <__daniel> srbaker, not normal?
[10:39] <Keybuk> stodge: on a plain ubuntu system?  (ie. you haven't removed famd or portmap, etc.)
[10:39] <Keybuk> stodge: also what's the app?
[10:39] <stodge> yes
[10:39] <stodge> It was pythoncard
[10:40] <ogra> srbaker: pcihp...  is normal __daniel said
[10:40] <Keybuk> it probably just doesn't have a .desktop file
[10:40] <stodge> ok
[10:40] <LinuxJones> stodge, update-menus ?
[10:40] <srbaker> oh, okay.
[10:40] <ogra> LinuxJones: doesnt work for gnome
[10:40] <srbaker> i agree, nothing out of the ordinary is being *reported*
[10:40] <stodge> Never heard of that - I'll try it. THanks
[10:41] <LinuxJones> ogra, I dunno why it is on my comp
[10:41] <srbaker> gnome-session takes about 15 minutes to complete
[10:41] <srbaker> and i don't get a splash screen
[10:41] <ogra> LinuxJones: dunno either, but fam should care
[10:41] <stodge> srbaker: are you having poor performance? Sorry missed most of hte conversation
[10:41] <srbaker> styes.
[10:41] <srbaker> stodge, yes
[10:41] <ogra> srbaker: have you migrated a old home dir ?
[10:41] <stodge> Do you have noapic and nolapic as kernel arguments in grub?
[10:42] <Keybuk> srbaker: try logging out, switching a console (Alt+F1), log in as you, do 'rm -rf .gnome2 .gconf', logout, Alt+F7 to get back to the login screen, then login again
[10:42] <will> my gnome is quite slow too running on a 500 celeron
[10:42] <srbaker> Keybuk, tried it
[10:42] <srbaker> Keybuk, no workie
[10:42] <__daniel> will, what does    top   say?
[10:42] <srbaker> __daniel, top also says nothing out of the ordinary
[10:43] <srbaker> will, it's not that kind of slow.
[10:43] <will> on
[10:43] <__daniel> will, or what hogs the memory (type M when u use top)
[10:43] <will> oh
[10:43] <Keybuk> srbaker: if you strace gnome-session, what's it doing?
[10:43] <srbaker> hang on
[10:43] <Keybuk> and have you modified this box at all?  it is a virgin ubuntu box and you haven't removed anything, right?
[10:44] <stodge> Hmm Totem won't play a WMV file
[10:45] <will> stoge get the w32 dlls
[10:45] <srbaker> Keybuk, right.  virgin ubuntu
[10:45] <will> stodge even
[10:45] <stodge> ok
[10:45] <srbaker> okay, i'm booting it.  only acpi=force on the cmd line
[10:45] <srbaker> then i'll strace gnome-session
[10:46] <Keybuk> why do you need the acpi=force ?
[10:46] <ogra> stodge: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:46] <Keybuk> if it's a laptop old enough to need that, it's likely acpi won't work properlt
[10:46] <stodge> srbaker: put noapic and nolapic on the command line
[10:46] <stodge> ogra: thanks
[10:46] <srbaker> Keybuk, okay, just one second
[10:47] <srbaker> Keybuk, it seems to be worse without it, but i'll do without
[10:47] <will> stodge: look at http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[10:47] <Keybuk> define "worse"?  more locking up?
[10:47] <srbaker> Keybuk, no, it takes about 10 minutes to *boot*
[10:47] <srbaker> Keybuk, hang on, i'll give you the play by play
[10:47] <Keybuk> where is it spending the time?
[10:48] <srbaker> okay, "Starting Ubuntu..."
[10:48] <Keybuk> 10 minutes is a lot of time to loose, is it slowly getting lost
[10:48] <Keybuk> or is one or two things taking ages
[10:48] <Keybuk> ok
[10:48] <srbaker> hang on.  actually, it doesn't seem to be going slower than usual.  hrm.  i could have misremembered acpi=force's usefulness
[10:48] <will> srbaker: do you have DMA compatible drives? or a mix of DMA/NON DMA?
[10:49] <srbaker> will, it's not a dma problem
[10:49] <srbaker> Keybuk, okay, i'm at gdm login screen.....   no
[10:49] <srbaker> Keybuk, nevermind, acpi=force must *not* be needed
[10:49] <srbaker> i just logged in.  now i have the orange screen, with my cursor
[10:49] <will> does anyone know how to fix the DMA problem? i have it hdd is non dma compatible and i get horrible DMA timer expiries!
[10:49] <srbaker> and the computer is not doing anything.
[10:50] <srbaker> erm, hdd activity, but very long periods between.
[10:50] <srbaker> Keybuk, my only change to this machine is "SCursor" in XF86Config...  and that was *after* i startd having these probelms
[10:50] <srbaker> Keybuk, it's stuck in poll()
[10:50] <srbaker> it seems to be
[10:51] <will> srbaker: have you tried booting without the quiet mode on?
[10:51] <ogra> srbaker: "SCursor" ??
[10:51] <mdz> srbaker: how recent is your install?
[10:51] <Keybuk> poll just means it's waiting for things to happen
[10:51] <ogra> srbaker: you mean "SWCursor"
[10:51] <srbaker> mdz, i installed it this morning
[10:51] <__daniel> srbaker, hmmm, but what's poll()ing so long?
[10:51] <srbaker> ogra, yes.
[10:51] <ogra> ok
[10:51] <mdz> srbaker: from warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[10:52] <stodge> Does the Ubuntu package for the NVidia driver configure the card as PCI or AGP automatiaclly? It seems slower than the default driver (nv?)
[10:52] <srbaker> mdz, yes
[10:52] <srbaker> Keybuk, now it seems to be hanging on read()
[10:52] <Keybuk> what's the fd, and what's the other end of it?
[10:52] <srbaker> read(16, )
[10:52] <ogra> stodge: did you reboot after install ? the modules is needed
[10:52] <mdz> stodge: the nv driver is superior in many ways; you should not use the nvidia driver unless you have no choice
[10:53] <ogra> module
[10:53] <srbaker> read(16, is where it seems to be hanging now.
[10:53] <srbaker> it sits in read(16, for ...  about 70 seconds?
[10:53] <stodge> I need h/w 3D support
[10:53] <stodge> I just restarted X - no reboot
[10:54] <srbaker> okay, and *now* it hangs on poll(
[10:54] <__daniel> srbaker, what does it write above read() and poll()?
[10:54] <srbaker> Keybuk, i started gnome-session over so i could grab a more complete trace.
[10:54] <srbaker> can't backscroll now, but it was something about gnome-login
[10:54] <Keybuk> ok, when you've got that, use lsof to see what the other end of fd 16 is
[10:55] <srbaker> i have a feeling it's waiting while something *else* hangs on a read.
[10:55] <ogra> srbaker: did you migrate your home from a former install ?
[10:55] <srbaker> lsof -d 16 gives me
[10:56] <srbaker> esd, bonobo-ac (-activation?), gnome-set (settings-daemon?) gnome-ses (session?), gconfd-2
[10:56] <ploum> I've installed Win98 on hda1 (1Go) and Ubuntu on hda2 (2Go).  Why Win98 show me a 3Go disk ? Does it will erase Ubuntu if I have a too big file ?
[10:56] <srbaker> ogra, no.
[10:56] <Keybuk> srbaker: what's the gnome-session line actually say?
[10:57] <srbaker> "gnome-ses 3765 srbaker 16u 0xc55953a0 8601 socket"
[10:58] <will> okay, do i need to update to the newly released wartY?? or can i do it through synaptic?
[10:58] <dona> I just install ubuntu on a dell 4100 laptop. For some reason the system locks up when switching from AC to battery. Any ideas?
[10:58] <hypn0> ploum: Go is GB?
[10:58] <Pete-Gas> whenver I connect my ipod with usb2 it crashes hal
[10:59] <Pete-Gas> I can connect it with firewire and all is good
[10:59] <Pete-Gas> but once I plug it in with usb is shuts down
[11:00] <srbaker> Keybuk, thoughts?
[11:05] <GotD0t> does anybody know a way to make numlock turn on when the system reboots
[11:07] <mr_tob> hi
[11:07] <srbaker> okay, that was weird as *shit*
[11:08] <Keybuk> srbaker: do the strace, and see how it gets the fd it blocks on while reading/polling
[11:08] <Keybuk> ie look for open or socket, or something
[11:08] <srbaker> Keybuk, wait.  i think it may be fixed
[11:08] <guptan> Anybody tried installting Xfce on ubuntu?
[11:08] <mr_tob> how do i get the plugins for work totem with an athlon 64?
[11:08] <ogra> guptan: heard of serveral people running t
[11:08] <__daniel> GotD0t, there's an option in  /etc/console-tools/config  but i'm not sure if it should be changed - better ask the rest of the guys in here first
[11:09] <guptan> ogra, I'm getting some unmet dependency problems
[11:09] <ogra> guptan: have you done sudo apt-get update ?
[11:09] <guptan> can somebody give me the required apt sources for getting Xfce
[11:09] <guptan> ogra, yes
[11:09] <srbaker> Keybuk, i created a new user, foobar
[11:09] <will> ogra: switch to totem-xine
[11:10] <ogra> guptan: universe enabled ?
[11:10] <guptan> ogra, yes
[11:10] <srbaker> Keybuk, logged in with myself (srbaker), same thing.  so i killed X via keyboard, and then logged in with user foobar, and it worked fine
[11:10] <srbaker> Keybuk, so i just removed all of the dotfiles in my home dir, and rebooting, so i can try it
[11:10] <mr_tob> is there a way to get totem 64bit running with the win32codecs?
[11:10] <srbaker> Keybuk, that was after areboot with noapic nolapic, btw
[11:10] <ogra> guptan: afetr enabling it also a apt-get update ?
[11:10] <guptan> ogra, http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 I followed instructions on this article
[11:10] <guptan> ogra, universe was already enabled in my system
[11:11] <srbaker> anyone know how i can disable hotplug stuff?  i want to completely disable pci and isapnp hotplug
[11:11] <Keybuk> srbaker: rm /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug
[11:11] <Keybuk> but then you'll get no useful drivers loaded
[11:12] <ogra> guptan: so why didnt you take the ubuntu packages form universe ?
[11:12] <jtko1> does anyone know when eclipse will be in universe ?
[11:12] <srbaker> Keybuk, this is *fucked up*
[11:12] <flash\\lptp> hi
[11:12] <flash\\lptp> how to restart the connection wuthout restarting the pc ?
[11:12] <__daniel> srbaker, why not blacklist it?
[11:12] <flash\\lptp> the dhcp lookup
[11:12] <guptan> ogra, is there Xfce packages in universe?
[11:12] <__daniel> flash\\lptp, /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:12] <srbaker> Keybuk, gnome works fine for user foobar, but not for use srbaker
[11:12] <srbaker> even when i rm -rf /home/srbaker/<all-dotfiles-except-bash-ones>
[11:12] <ogra> guptan: yep, search with synaptic or "apt-cache search"
[11:13] <srbaker> wait.  false alarm
[11:13] <Keybuk> srbaker: anything in Desktop ?
[11:13] <guptan> ogra, yes I find it, but its old one
[11:13] <srbaker> Keybuk, removed that too
[11:13] <srbaker> for some reason, user foobar is locking on login now, too
[11:13] <srbaker> it worked once, pre-reboot
[11:13] <srbaker> *sigh*
[11:13] <ogra> guptan: xfce4 , is there a newe one ?
[11:13] <Keybuk> trace what's locking it up then :)
[11:13] <srbaker> Keybuk, sorry.  it's working for user foobar, just slowly.
[11:13] <flash\\lptp> how can I save a file for knoppix so that he reads that one when booting?
[11:13] <srbaker> Keybuk, not working for user srbaker at all
[11:13] <GotD0t> does anybody know an RSS/Atom aggregator with native HTTPS support?
[11:14] <guptan> ogra, 4.2 or something like that
[11:14] <ogra> guptan: so you should compile them....
[11:14] <__daniel> GotD0t, i just know liferea, straw and blam - you tried these?
[11:14] <guptan> ogra, ooh, so I better use ubuntu packages :|
[11:14] <ogra> guptan: it's quite eaysier
[11:14] <GotD0t> __daniel well ive tried liferea but it doesnt have HTTPS suport, and I cant get curl working through it
[11:15] <guptan> ogra, for a newb?
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> on ubuntu and debian I modified the /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted and it worked but on knoppix it doesnt save the stuff ..
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> I cant save it
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> cause it is on cd
[11:15] <flash\\lptp> any idea?
[11:15] <ogra> guptan: and you don't mess up your system with the debian packages (ubuntu is not debian)
[11:15] <jtko1> does anybody know how to install eclipse ?
[11:16] <__daniel> guptan, write to ubuntu-users mailing list to ask for the repackaging of a newer version
[11:16] <__daniel> guptan, (and try the "old" version for now) :-)
[11:17] <guptan> well __daniel, I think new ones are still beta, 4.2 beta is the version name I guess
[11:18] <__daniel> guptan, the ubuntu developers will sort out which version to use :-)
[11:18] <Dethread> anyone know where the C std library man pages are? they don't seem to be there in ubuntu :(
[11:19] <guptan> __daniel, ubuntu provides version 3.0 and in universe u can find 4.2
[11:19] <__daniel> guptan, well install the universe version :-)
[11:20] <guptan> __daniel, almost installed, let synaptic do configuring packages for me
[11:21] <dona> How can I get my 82801 audio controller to work? The mixer tells me that no devices are found.
 on ubuntu and debian I modified the /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted and it worked but on knoppix it doesnt save the stuff ..
 I cant save it
 cause it is on cd
 any idea?
[11:22] <srbaker> grrrrrrrrr
[11:22] <tvon|x31> try #knoppix maybe
[11:24] <mr_tob> how can i bootstrap ubuntu?
[11:24] <mr_tob> is there a bootstrap script available?
[11:25] <tvon|x31> you can bootstrap debian Woody and upgrade from there
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> bootstrap i.e. recompile?
[11:25] <mr_tob> no, i want to set up a 32bit chroot environment
[11:25] <mr_tob> because i need to run totem with the win32codes package
[11:26] <tvon|x31> I initially installed my destkop with ubuntu using debootstrap and a woody chroot
[11:26] <Yannick_R> I just installed ubuntu and my server X doesn't want to start, I check the conf files and the Os detected the right card and the right screnn resolution what should I do ?
[11:26] <ogra> Yannick_R: what's the errormessage
[11:27] <mr_tob> tvon|x31: hmm, :( i'm starting bootstraping woody now
[11:27] <Yannick_R> it's on a laptop, the screen is all messed up, I pluged it on my desktop screen and it doesn't say any detail, just that it can't start
[11:28] <mr_tob> is there another way to run totem with win32codecs without using a chroot environment?
[11:28] <jef1> Does someone have time for an installation problem?
[11:28] <jdub> jef1: always
[11:28] <jdub> jef1: give us your best shot
[11:28] <ogra> Yannick_R: if X can't start it normally offers you the log (in a blue screen)
[11:28] <jef1> I am getting a grub 21 error after the initial installation of ubuntu
[11:29] <jef1> I have an Epox 8K5A mobo with the kt333 chipset
[11:29] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob: set up /lib to contain 32 bit libs
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob:  the FHS says that /lib64 contains 64 bit libs, /lib contains 32 bit libs
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> you could install a 32 bit totem into. . . some odd directory
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> and put 32 bit libs in /lib
[11:30] <rjek> I'm in Wales.  It's raining.
[11:30] <bluefoxicy> though i'm not sure how ubuntu has multilib set up.
[11:31] <enabl> its always raining in Wales rjek
[11:31] <mr_tob> rjek: it's always raining in wales, isn't it?
[11:31] <bluefoxicy> is it raining whales?
[11:31] <srbaker_> okay
[11:31] <rjek> bluefoxicy: Almost.
[11:31] <bluefoxicy> Dolphins then?
[11:31] <srbaker_> it *seems* to be working with noapic nolapic and acpi=off
[11:31] <srbaker_> not sure if it'll run this well when i reboot, though
[11:31] <srbaker_> that remains to be seen
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> __daniel: ?
[11:32] <__daniel> :-)
[11:32] <__daniel> something AS common as rain in whales :-)
[11:33] <jef1> I will try anything if anyone has any suggestions!
[11:33] <bluefoxicy> yeah but how often do people drop rice
[11:33] <srbaker_> jef1, what was the problem?  i missed it.
[11:33] <mr_tob> bluefoxicy: there is a /lib32 and a /lib64, lib64 is linked to /lib
[11:33] <jef1> I get a Grub 21 error on the intial reboot after the install
[11:33] <__daniel> bluefoxicy, maybe they didnt do it on purpose
[11:33] <srbaker_> jef1, oh.  i don't know anything about grub, sorry.
[11:40] <jef1> Hi everyone...I am new to Ubuntu and I was wondering where the best place to find answers to Ubuntu? I have a Grub 21 error on startup so I am down pretty hard right now.
[11:40] <__daniel> jef1, i'm no professional especially not in grub issues, but doesnt it say anything else?
[11:41] <jef1> No...just Grub error 21
[11:41] <jdub> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html
[11:41] <jdub> ^ one solution
[11:42] <jef1> OK I will try that.
[11:43] <mr_tob> Yannick_R: what apt sources i have to put in sources.list if i want to upgrade the woody base system?
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob:  sounds like multilib on ubuntu is fucked up ;P
[11:43] <__daniel> jdub, hehe... just googled across that one too
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> gentoo is struggling with that crap too
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> when they first started doing amd64, some idiot decided to do /lib -> /lib64 + /lib32
[11:43] <mr_tob> bluefoxicy: i have to install the i386 port first with bootstrap
[11:43] <bluefoxicy> when AMD and the FHS say /lib64 and /lib
[11:44] <MeAndU> where did the www.ubuntuforums.org go
[11:44] <bluefoxicy> when standards from your HARDWARE SUPPLIER and from a STANDARDS PROECT both say the same thing, they generally know what they're talking about :)
[11:44] <MeAndU> did they change address
[11:45] <Krypt0n> MeAndU: works here
[11:46] <mr_tob> bluefoxicy: hmm, could be but its no solution in my case, i have to set up the 32bit subsystem in any way :(
[11:46] <bluefoxicy> heh
[11:46] <bluefoxicy> mr_tob:  don't pay much attention to me :)
[11:47] <RuffianSoldier> where do i untar these GKRellm themes to?
[11:48] <ljlane> RuffianSoldier: look at the FILES section at the bottom of the gkrellm man page.
[11:50] <jewdan> what do I use when administering http://localhost:631 , how do I log in
[11:50] <GotD0t> can anybody help me get apache running?
[11:50] <jewdan> i did a passwd root and set a root password and tried logging in with that but it doesnt work
[11:51] <ljlane> jewdan, use the gtk config manager
[11:51] <jewdan> the one under computer menu at the top and then Printing
[11:52] <jewdan> computer -> system config -> printing
[11:52] <ljlane> jewdan, yes
[11:52] <jewdan> yea i tried that
[11:53] <zenwhen> ever get so stoned you accidentally tried to play music with epiphant because you thought it was rhymbox?
[11:53] <zenwhen> rhtmbox*
[11:53] <zenwhen> man that sucks
[11:56] <ogra> rt: GO GO GO
[11:56] <rt> will I enjoy ubuntu?
[11:56] <Krypt0n> sorry if it has been asked before, but any idea when the new live cd will be coming out?
[11:56] <RuffianSoldier> ljlane, wtf is gkjrellm man page?
[11:56] <rt> heresy as it is, I'm not overly fond of debian.
[11:57] <Eno_> depends why you don't enjoy it
[11:57] <GotD0t> can anybody help me with apache?
[11:57] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: type: man gkrellm in a terminal
[11:57] <__daniel> GotD0t, just ask your question
[11:57] <rsgill> hello everyone
[11:57] <rsgill> i just installed warthog and i can't get totem to play any of my media files
[11:57] <GotD0t> well i dont know how to set it up
[11:57] <rsgill> i install the win32codecs but still no luck
[11:58] <jdub> rsgill: enable universe, install totem-xine
[11:58] <GotD0t> heh, i just need a very simple set up.... access through my localhost
[11:58] <ogra> rsgill: totem-xine
[11:58] <kent> rsgill, maybe you should install the totem-xine package? im not sure if the default totem use thewin32codecs.
[11:58] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, where do i find the "FILE" part that he was talking about
[11:58] <rsgill> i already enable universe
[11:59] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: scroll down ?
[11:59] <RuffianSoldier> nope
[11:59] <RuffianSoldier> cant do that
[11:59] <jdub> rsgill: so you jsut need to install totem-xine, now
[11:59] <rsgill> but when i try to install totem-xine it says it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:59] <jdub> rsgill: that's fine
[11:59] <rsgill> oh ok
[11:59] <rsgill> i'll give it a try now
[11:59] <kmdr_winebago> hello i'm installing ubuntu as my second system on an ibm thinkpad r40e and the wiki says it works fine but i can't get it to boot. first it hung up on the frame buffer (?) so I added the extra parameter suggested in one of the helps. next time it hung up a step earlier, while setting up some kind of logs. support, please.