[04:11] <micahg> jtaylor: imagemagick uploaded, please let me know if that worked
[08:30] <dholbach> good morning
[09:41] <spyzer> hey everyone, I was making a program which uses libwebkitgtk-3.0, but when I compile the program i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/1562127/
[09:41] <spyzer> i  have installed all dependencies through apt-get
[09:41] <spyzer> and am using pkg-config
[09:41] <spyzer> then why do i get this error
[09:41] <spyzer> please tell
[09:49] <geser> spyzer: move all those call to "pkgconfig --libs" to the end of the line (after the bridge.o)
[09:51] <spyzer> geser, I am using autotools so what do i do there?
[09:51] <spyzer> in Makefile.am
[09:53] <geser> can you pastebin you Makefile.am
[09:54] <spyzer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1562158/
[09:59] <geser> rename "bridge_LDFLAGS" to "bridge_LDADD" and autoconf should to the right thing
[10:00] <spyzer> geser, it says linker flags such as `--libs' belong in `bridge_LDFLAGS
[10:03] <geser> http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/Linking.html
[10:04] <geser> LDFLAGS puts those libs before the object file which doesn't work with "ld --as-needed". They have to be listed after the object file which uses them
[10:09] <spyzer> geser, but then i loose the ability to use pkg-config auto lib generation
[10:09] <spyzer> ?
[10:14] <dholbach> geser, do you think you could join bdrung for a developer roundtable at Ubuntu developer Week and answer development questions from the audience? (Thu 31st Jan 19 UTC)
[10:16] <geser> dholbach: should work
[10:17] <geser> spyzer: why? you still call `pkg-config --libs ...` but put into bridge_LDADD instead of bridge_LDFLAGS
[10:18] <dholbach> geser, you are a hero!
[10:18] <dholbach> bdrung, ^ :)
[10:19] <spyzer> geser, it throws this error inker flags such as `--libs' belong in `bridge_LDFLAGS when I replace bridge_LDFLAGS with bridge_LDADD
[10:20] <spyzer> geser, but another doubt, why does this same code compile on fedora and not on this ubuntu machine?
[10:23] <geser> because Ubuntu's ld has "--as-needed" as default flag while Fedora's most likely not (and with --as-needed the link order matters)
[10:24] <spyzer> geser, so how do i change that? in my configure.ac?
[10:35] <spyzer> geser, I tried ./configure LDFLAGS="-Wl,--no-as-needed"
[10:35] <spyzer> but still didn;t work
[10:35] <spyzer> :(
[10:43] <spyzer> geser, GOT the solution it was to add LIBS in the Makefile.am, check this out http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking#Only_link_with_needed_libraries
[10:43] <spyzer> thanks for the help man
[10:43] <spyzer> u rock
[12:25] <geser> is Ubuntu considering a switch to rolling releases between LTS?
[12:26] <Laney> what makes you think that?
[12:27] <tumbleweed> yeah, apparently it was in the news today
[12:27] <tumbleweed> people asking me at work
[12:27] <geser> http://www.golem.de/news/linux-distribution-ubuntu-erwaegt-umstieg-auf-rolling-releases-1301-97086.html (sorry only in German)
[12:27]  * Laney watches
[12:27] <geser> is the discussion about it somewhere public?
[12:41] <tumbleweed> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/ubuntu-considers-huge-change-that-would-end-traditional-release-cycle/ is in english
[12:41] <tumbleweed> (now that arstechnica has finished being broken and showing moon sharks)
[12:43] <Laney> perhaps we could call it 'unstable' ;-)
[12:44] <tumbleweed> :P
[12:44] <tumbleweed> wasn't it supposed to be grumpy groundhog?
[12:44] <Laney> that was going to be a parallel branch wasn't it?
[12:45] <tumbleweed> yeah, like fedora's thing
[12:45] <Laney> dholbach: you're really quiet compared to ogasawara in that youtube video
[12:46] <dholbach> Laney, yeah, I know - I tried a couple of times to fix the mic levels, but had to keep going at the same time
[12:46] <dholbach> I don't know what happened
[12:46] <Laney> fair enough
[12:46] <Laney> good to see you're causing waves :P
[12:47] <geser> I wonder how large-scale changes like updating gcc will work with rolling releases with all the FTBFS such changes cause
[12:58] <ajmitch> geser: that might depend on whether such things can be caught by tests prior to migrating from -proposed
[12:59] <tumbleweed> that sounds hard
[12:59] <ajmitch> it does
[13:01] <geser> and we expect to see such FTBFS with major gcc updates (or the multi-arched python) and do archive rebuild for testing, but that would block such updates probably till the next LTS given the amount of time need to fix most of them
[13:02] <geser> and as we can see in archive rebuilds some packages stopped building (unnoticed) due to some other changes too
[13:03] <ajmitch> unless they could migrate when all seeded packages work with them, rather than all packages
[13:03]  * ajmitch hand-waves
[13:03] <tumbleweed> rebuild-testing the archive for migrations seems expensive
[13:03] <ajmitch> that's what's been proposed already, afaik
[13:04] <tumbleweed> I only know of the plan to DEP-8 test
[13:04] <ajmitch> I thought that also included rebuilding prior to testing in the case of library migrations, I'm likely wrong though :)
[13:10] <geser> I hope there will be a public discussion about this change too (don't have the time to watch the hang out right now)
[13:51] <bdrung> geser: thanks for joining the table :)
[16:25] <xnox> geser: i love how jurnalists picked up on that. if you watch the hangout you will notice that in the context of kernel development they are thinking how to provide stability, quality and QA on ongoing basis. since even considering rolling releases that problem first needs to be solved.
[17:26] <tumbleweed> xnox: but that's not a story in itself
[17:29] <xnox> tumbleweed: SQUIRREL!
[17:33] <jtaylor> micahg: thx for imagemagick, next time please replace the fftw3-dev dependency with libfftw3-dev
[17:35] <jtaylor> oO debian depends in fftw-dev?
[17:39] <jtaylor> that will give a big dip in fftw3's popcon when wheezy is release :), imagemagick probably makes out 95% of all its installs
[20:33] <micahg> jtaylor: I doubt Debian will switch from fftw2 to fftw3 before jessie in imagemagick
[20:33] <jtaylor> yes
[20:33] <jtaylor> btw its nofftw to fftw3
[20:34] <jtaylor> imagemagick does not detect fftw2
[20:34] <jtaylor> which is long obsolete


[11:33] <gmb> allenap, rvba`, bigjools Awright?
[11:33] <gmb> Made it to internet at last.
[11:33] <allenap> gmb: Hello!
[11:39] <gmb> Hola
[11:57] <gmb> allenap: Do you need any help with the celery->RPC work?
[11:57] <gmb> Or rather: I'm free, Mr Humphries; what can I help with?
[13:52]  * gmb -> Location switch; bbiab
[16:07] <gmb> allenap: I’d like to help with the RPC work; is there any reason I can’t start with the “periodically report boot images” task?
[16:08] <gmb> (although I have no idea how to do peridoic RPC tasks without celerybeat)
[17:15] <onicrom> question... im seeing the following error in my maas.log
[17:15] <onicrom> ERROR 2014-08-06 13:08:35,490 maasserver ################################ Exception: {u'mac_addresses': [u'One or more MAC addresses is invalid.']} ################################
[17:15] <onicrom> not sure how it could be invalid, it pxe booted and its the actual mac
[17:59] <onicrom> i think i figured it out
[17:59] <onicrom> maas is expecting the mac to have upper case letters.
[17:59] <onicrom> (which is not that obvious)
[18:13] <allenap> gmb: Sure, that’s a good one.
[18:15] <allenap> onicrom: That sounds like a bug; MAAS should allow both, or at least normalise automatically. I’ll file a bug.
[18:19] <allenap> onicrom: Was there any more detail to that error message?
[18:20] <onicrom> filed
[18:20] <allenap> onicrom: Thanks! I’d just seen that seconds ago.
[18:20] <onicrom> allenap: its weird when i entered it using all caps the comissioning would fail
[18:21] <onicrom> when i entered it lowercase
[18:21] <onicrom> the maas.log would error
[18:21] <onicrom> the UI seems to display lowercase either way
[18:22] <onicrom> im now running into a weird issue with the dell.. i use serial over lan and as soon as the install gets to a certain point the drac remote management ip becomes unresponsive until i reboot the machine
[18:27] <allenap> blake_r, newell, jhobbs: ^
[18:28] <newell> allenap, howdy
[18:28] <onicrom> also unlreated question... what is maas using iscsi for?
[18:28] <newell> allenap, do you have  bug number?
[18:29] <newell> actually nm, I will look on launchpad
[18:30] <allenap> newell: I was pointing you to the Dell issue onicrom is having.
[18:30] <newell> yeah I see the bug now
[18:31] <newell> oh so not the bug?
[18:31] <newell> okay
[18:31] <onicrom> (im less concerned about the bug i filed as i figured out the nuance)
[18:32] <onicrom> i think it might have something to do with my preseed file as i started messing with the storage... but in either case i dont see why the dell's management interface becomes unresponse :(
[18:33] <jhobbs> onicrom: do you have to reboot the system manually?
[18:33] <newell> onicrom, can you pastebin your console output?
[18:33] <onicrom> jhobbs: i have a kvm remote console which i can three finger solute
[18:34] <jhobbs> onicrom: it should reboot automatically after an install
[18:34] <onicrom> which works and the DRAC responds as soon as the reboot is initiated
[18:34] <onicrom> jhobbs: i doesnt actually start the install actually
[18:34] <onicrom> it get stuck at the kernl booting screen before the install is initiated.
[18:34] <jhobbs> hmm
[18:35] <onicrom> just happened again :( appears to be unlreated to my preseed as i restored the default
[18:35] <onicrom> ooh weird.... the dhcp ip is pingable
[18:35] <jhobbs> are you passing serial console parameters on the kernel command line?
[18:35] <onicrom> but my console (kvm and serial) has stopping printing
[18:36] <onicrom> u am
[18:36] <onicrom> *i am
[18:36] <onicrom> but i have remote kvm too so i can watch watch would be on a monitor
[18:36] <jhobbs> console=ttyS0 and console=tty0 too?
[18:36] <onicrom> yes
[18:36] <onicrom> console=tty0 console=ttyS1,115200n8
[18:36] <newell> onicrom, anytime I have run into that issue it is because I wasn't passing the correct kernel parameters that jhobbs is mentioning
[18:36] <onicrom> to be exact
[18:37] <jhobbs> how are you passing them?
[18:37] <onicrom> in the global kernel params
[18:37] <onicrom> i see all the comissioning happen
[18:37] <jhobbs> ah ok
[18:37] <onicrom> via console (and tty0)
[18:37] <jhobbs> are you doing a fastpath install or a debian installer install?
[18:37] <jhobbs> if it's fastpath, it's the same kernel/initrd as commissioning uses
[18:38] <onicrom> debian
[18:38] <jhobbs> it'd be worth trying fastpath to see if it's specific to the d-i kernel
[18:39] <onicrom> i can certainly give that a try i want to see if the install actually works (i probably botched the last presee file)
[18:39] <jhobbs> k
[18:39] <onicrom> the machine is still pingable on its actual interface the drac is still offline :(
[18:39] <onicrom> ive noticed that with cd based installs too
[18:39] <onicrom> when it goes to 'discover' the network devices
[18:40] <jhobbs> we test with a lot of dell/drac systems on a very regular basis
[18:40] <onicrom> drac management interface goes offline
[18:40] <jhobbs> i don't remember seeing that kind of behavior before
[18:40] <onicrom> i am using the ghetto drac6e
[18:40] <onicrom> so its using a 'shared' interface it doesnt have a dedicated nic
[18:40] <jhobbs> ahh
[18:40] <jhobbs> sound ripe for kernel/firmware interaction bugs
[18:40] <onicrom> ineed
[18:41] <onicrom> *indeed
[18:41] <onicrom> i cant complain tooo much
[18:41] <onicrom> x5670 x 2 96GB ram 6x600G drives with bbu raid card
[18:41] <onicrom> for like 3k
[18:41] <onicrom> i bought 20 of them for this openstack poc :)
[18:41] <onicrom> i mean i can always complain haha
[18:42] <onicrom> i digress... i am still at a loss as to why my rmeote kvm is stuck at a kernel boot message though
[18:50] <jhobbs> is the kvm via drac or separte?
[18:50] <jhobbs> separate
[18:52] <jhobbs> if you're seeing stuff in CD installs too it's likely not a MAAS specific issue though
[18:53] <jhobbs> you might try #ubuntu-kernel or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs for those
[18:55] <onicrom> kvm is separate
[18:57] <jhobbs> does pxelinux print the kernel command line parameters for you prior to trying to boot linux?
[18:57] <jhobbs> might be worth double checking that console=tty0 is still there
[18:57] <onicrom> it did
[18:57] <onicrom> i saw it in both
[18:57] <jhobbs> dang
[18:57] <onicrom> the host is still not booting but its in some state...
[18:58] <onicrom> i cant ssh in (con refused)
[18:58] <onicrom> drac not reachable and kvm shows boot message that is stale...
[18:58] <onicrom> id really like to see wtf is going on lol
[18:58] <onicrom> the install should ber finished but its possible its still going i gues...
[18:58] <jhobbs> ssh would be up if the install finished, the system would reboot afterwards
[18:59] <jhobbs> but then it wouldn't have an IP if it hung at early linux boot
[18:59] <jhobbs> wouldn't respond to pings i mean
[18:59] <onicrom> a reboot would re-enable drac
[18:59] <onicrom> exactly :) its in some weird state
[18:59] <jhobbs> you could try adding earlyprintk to the command line parameters
[19:00] <jhobbs> but.. if it gets far enough to get an ip that's past earlyprintk time
[19:00] <onicrom> btw... what is iscsi used for?
[19:00] <jhobbs> "ephemeral" booting
[19:01] <jhobbs> during enlistment, commissioning, install, nodes boot up via pxe and then mount iscsi for their root filesystem, with a ram only overlay
[19:01] <jhobbs> fastpath install that is, not d-i
[19:01] <onicrom> what about d-i?
[19:01] <jhobbs> d-i is all contained in the initrd
[19:01] <onicrom> gotcha
[19:02] <onicrom> ok i will try fast path on another node which i have kvm/serial (i only have 4 devices on kvm the rest are serial only :()
[19:03] <jhobbs> hopefully that works, it's a lot better imo anyhow
[19:08] <onicrom> i need to figure out how to customize that install :)
[19:09] <jhobbs> yeah it's something new to learn, but has the huge advantage of having a rich ubuntu environment during install
[19:10] <onicrom> well...i dont know the debian installer either
[19:10] <jhobbs> d-i is on top of busybox
[19:10] <onicrom> i was starting to play with that i have no bias
[19:10] <jhobbs> no python, not even perl, i think you don't even get awk
[19:10] <jhobbs> maybe sed
[19:11] <onicrom> ok fingers crossed building another box with fast now
[19:11] <jhobbs> well good luck, i'm off for the night
[19:12] <onicrom> wooo
[19:12] <onicrom> jhobbs: its working!
[19:20] <onicrom> any docs around on customizing the install via fastpath
[19:25] <rbasak> onicrom: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~curtin-dev/curtin/trunk/view/head:/doc/topics/overview.rst
[19:47] <onicrom> thanks rbasak
[22:17] <lamont> what exactly is maas telling me to fix when it says: Unable to get RPC connection for cluster 'master'
[23:17] <bigjools> lamont: clusters and region appserver threads attempt to maintain bidirectional connections, without which maas won't work properly. It's possible you are firewalled since they currently use high-numbered ports for this.
[23:20] <lamont> who creates the connection, I wonder?
[23:30] <onicrom> rbasak: im looking to create a customized partition table, are there more specific exaples to configure curtin


[00:29]  * MarkDude just wanted to point out that you need NOT be a Super Nerd to go to SNNSF
[00:31] <akk> Super Nerd Network Software Foundation
[00:31] <akk> Saturday Night Noisy Snow Fun
[00:38]  * MarkDude likes the 1st one
[00:38] <rww> Social Networking's Not So Fun
[00:39] <MarkDude> We should get shirts, like the Justice League of America
[00:39] <MarkDude> Or defenders of Wildlife
[00:40] <akk> rww: I like yours
[00:41] <akk> Doesn't seem like MarkDude is going to tell us what it really stands for, so we're going to have to keep making stuff up.
[00:41] <rww> SuperNerdNight San Francisco
[00:41] <rww> 20:03:48 < MarkDude> Anyone local up for SuperNerdNight tonight at Rogue Ale house?
[00:42] <akk> ah, that was before I joined
[00:43] <MarkDude> My bad
[00:43] <akk> No biggie, most people had probably seen it.
[00:43]  * MarkDude had some folks flake- I am still going
[00:43] <rww> akk: you mean you don't check the logfiles every day to see what you missed!?
[00:44]  * MarkDude has it indexed and printed in triplicate :D
[00:44] <akk> heh, I have enough trouble keeping up with realtime IRC
[00:47] <kdub> what is nerd night
[00:53] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=183755411658835
[00:53] <MarkDude> kdub, they only have a FB linl
[00:53] <MarkDude> link
[00:53] <MarkDude> bastards I tell ya' :)
[00:55] <kdub> oh game night! thats pretty awesome
[00:57] <MarkDude> board games, retro games
[00:57] <akk> Um, "super nerds" but they advertise only on Facebook?
[00:57] <akk> What is wrong with this picture?
[00:57] <MarkDude> super nerds that many work at game companies
[00:58] <MarkDude> different type of nerds
[00:58] <MarkDude> Some may even LARP
[00:58]  * MarkDude thinks it is an age thing, lots of young people there
[00:59] <MarkDude> These kids nowadays with their Facebook, and their tweetering
[00:59] <akk> Twitter is mostly middle-aged people, apparently. :)
[00:59] <MarkDude> And their haircuts, dont get me started about that
[01:00] <MarkDude> Its weird - about half the nerds I know would PREFER I use FB to communicate with them
[01:00] <MarkDude> likes its rude to email or sumthin'
[01:00] <MarkDude> Or thats just what old people do
[01:01] <MarkDude> In my day, we used to spell out the whole word
[01:02] <akk> Most of the people I know who use FB as primary means of communication are extremely nontechnical.
[01:02] <kdub> how would i know how to cut my hair if it wasnt for fb? :)
[01:03] <MarkDude> akk, yes, it is amazing how many folks can architect sumthin' and not get say how electricity works
[01:04] <MarkDude> Then again knowing all sorts of Star Wars or Star Trek stuff is nonetheless geeky, even if they only know fake science
[01:05] <akk> true
[01:06] <kdub> for the record, i wish i could get rid of facebook
[01:22] <MarkDude> grantbow, said he was thinking about doing that, I told him what I heard him say was- well folks under 45, I really dont want to talk to them on their terms
[01:23]  * MarkDude 's Grandma is in her 80s and loves FB btw
[07:01] <seidos> ever get the feeling you're being followed?
[07:07] <nhaines> seidos: I prefer to do the following, thank you very much.
[07:08]  * seidos chuckles
[07:13] <seidos> wait..............
[07:13]  * seidos close
[07:13] <seidos> i think i should sleep
[07:26] <nhaines> jono: good morning!  :)
[07:30] <jono> hey nhaines
[07:30] <jono> hows tricks?
[07:32] <seidos> anybody know how to check package info from cli?
[07:36] <seidos> or how to get a mask?  or some instructions from a trustworthy source?
[07:49] <nhaines> jono: busy, busy, but some fun stuff coming up.  I'm especially looking forward to SCaLE!
[07:50] <jono> nhaines, cool :-)
[07:50] <nhaines> jono: I have the thoughts about Ubucon as well... might see if I can get anything going.
[07:56] <seidos> what's cooler than being cool?
[07:57] <seidos> cool != warm
[07:58]  * seidos sleeps
[09:27] <MarkDude> Yay, SuperNerdNight- was super
[17:45] <nhaines> Jetzt kann ich wieder auf Deutsch tippen!
[17:45] <nhaines> Although, ironically, that is not obvious by the above phrase.
[17:45]  * nhaines shrugs.
[17:51] <pleia2> heh :)
[17:53] <jamiedmattingly> wow its been a long time since i tried to speak or read german what does that say nhaines?
[18:07] <kdub> question, anyone know where the unity/wayland for ubuntu folks hang out?
[18:12] <pleia2> unity and wayland are different things :)
[18:12] <pleia2> for UI and design of unity you want #ayatana
[18:13] <pleia2> and there is #wayland
[18:29] <nhaines> jamiedmattingly: it said "Now I can type in German again!"
[18:36] <pleia2> kdub:
[18:36] <pleia2> 10:12:46 < pleia2> for UI and design of unity you want #ayatana
[18:36] <pleia2> 10:13:30 < pleia2> and there is #wayland
[18:42] <jdeslip> Sehr gut. Bald werden Sie spricht auch Deutsch.
[18:43] <jdeslip> By the way, big flashplayer update today for linux/ubuntu.  Hardware acceleration works great if you have an nvidia card.  Full screen flash video drops from 90% to 10% on my machine ;)
[18:44] <nhaines> Well, I do speak it far more often than I type it.  :)  But now that locale info was fixed on this server I can type "süß" instead of "suess".
[18:44] <nhaines> Also: see what others are typing when they speak Spanish or German.
[18:45] <jdeslip> interesting
[18:45] <jdeslip> Now, if only there was a google translate plugin for irssi
[18:50] <jamiedmattingly> i was stationed in germany for a few years but thats was so long ago all i can really remember is how to order a beer :)
[18:51] <jamiedmattingly> ein bier vitte
[18:53] <nhaines> bitte ;)
[18:53] <jamiedmattingly> see it has been that long i guess lol
[18:54] <pleia2> that's really all you need to know
[18:54] <jamiedmattingly> i can say it in 3 languages :)
[18:55] <jamiedmattingly> una cervezaq por favor
[18:55] <jamiedmattingly> minus the q
[18:55] <pleia2> hehe
[18:56] <nhaines> Maybe while I'm at SCaLE I'll eat German food at Alpine Village in Torrance.    I also like bratwurst.  Senf means mustard, but "fuer" is a preposition meaning "for".  :)
[19:19] <jamiedmattingly> ok i spelled it wrong the was supposed to be wo9rd for fire like hot mustard
[19:22] <jamiedmattingly> i discharged fro army in 91 and came back to states haven't had much occasion to speak german since
[19:24] <nhaines> Not sure I've had Feuersenf before but sounds tasty.  Any mustard you have to store in a metal toothpaste tube is fine by me!
[19:24] <jamiedmattingly> thats exactly how it was lol
[19:24] <jamiedmattingly> very tasty
[19:25] <nhaines> When mustard is hot or spicy or strong we say it's "scharf", though, generically.  :)
[19:25] <jamiedmattingly> could it be a regional thing?
[19:26] <nhaines> No, Feuersenf would be a specific type or recipe rather than a generic term for "hot".  Maybe.  I don't think anyone would misunderstand what Feuersenf is supposed to taste like.  :)
[19:26] <jamiedmattingly> are you from germany?
[19:26] <nhaines> Long Beach, actually.
[19:26] <jamiedmattingly> just speak german?
[19:26] <nhaines> Yup!  :)
[19:27] <jamiedmattingly> i used to speak it pretty good when i was there but cant say much of anything now
[19:30] <nhaines> That's the trick, really.  :)  The Internet's good for that, and of course sometimes you find good restaurants....
[19:31] <jamiedmattingly> i havent found a good german food place since i left
[19:32] <nhaines> Whereabouts do you live?
[19:32] <jamiedmattingly> vallejo
[19:33] <nhaines> I know there was a place in San Jose or San Francisco when we went to CLS, but it was closed on Sundays when we tried to visit.
[19:34] <jamiedmattingly> the used to be a place in the mall in concord but the food was really bad
[19:35] <jamiedmattingly> then again i went to a couple of mexican food places in illinois when i lived there and they were really bad as well
[19:35] <nhaines> You haven't lived until you've eaten a canned tortilla.  (At least, if you taste one you'll know you're certainly not dead.)
[19:36] <jamiedmattingly> tortilla in a can?
[19:36] <nhaines> That's how they sold them in the 60's.
[19:36] <nhaines> Back east, anyhow.  :)
[19:36] <jamiedmattingly> wow
[19:37] <MarkDude> They used to sell rice in a cn- already cooked also
[19:37] <jamiedmattingly> and i thought getting potatoes in a can was bad lol
[19:47] <jamiedmattingly> has anyone ever used andchat or another android app to get on the irc here?
[19:54] <nhaines> I used something or other back in the G1 days but it liked to disconnect every time the display slept.
[19:55] <nhaines> So instead I just use ConnectBot and screen plus irssi.  :D
[19:57] <crashsystems> I am using andchat currently, which is what the crashsystems1 nick is using
[20:03] <MarkDude> Awkward geek moment last night at SNNSF- dude walks in - sees us playing Raskulls, notices one of us is using his gamertag
[20:04] <MarkDude> Says, hey where is my ex-gf-  she still has my tag on the 360
[20:04] <MarkDude> It was a <geek moment>
[20:05] <MarkDude> On our side of geekdom the question is usually - what distro do you use?
[20:05] <MarkDude> Or what is your project
[20:05] <MarkDude> the most common question was - what console do you prefer? or are you a PC gamer?
[20:06]  * MarkDude had to clarify that most of my gaming was on Linux, and usually involved penguins
[20:22] <jamiedmattingly> hey crashsystems i tried setting it up last night and had difficulty do you mind walking me through a little?
[20:46] <AndroUser> hello
[20:46] <jamiedmattingly> i got my phone to work as andro user
[20:47] <AndroUser> now I need to figure out how to get my nick
[20:48] <jamiedmattingly1> hello
[20:48] <jamiedmattingly> now there are 2 of me :)
[20:48] <iheartubuntu> good for your wife or girlfriend :)
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> testing out IRC built into Opera.
[20:49] <jamiedmattingly> andro irc was easier to set up than andchat much easier
[20:49] <jamiedmattingly> isnt opera a browser?
[20:51] <iheartubuntu> yes, but the new Opera versions have email, IRC, widgets, etc built into it
[20:51] <iheartubuntu> so far Im liking Opera a lot.
[20:51] <jamiedmattingly> wow i gotta try that
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> so far the only prob with Opera is I dont have Java working in it yet
[21:03] <kdub_> jamiedmattingly: you can authenticate to your nick and do ghost from nickserv
[21:03] <kdub_> doing "msg Nickserv help" explains it
[22:22] <kdub_> pleia2: thanks for directing to #ayatana, i would have never figured that out on my own
[22:37] <rww> jdeslip: http://scripts.irssi.org/html/gtrans.pl.html
[22:37]  * rww has never used
[22:44] <jdeslip> Wow, I never in bothered to look because I thought it was so far-fetched
[22:46] <nhaines> jdeslip: this is the Internet that yo're on.
[22:56] <jamiedmattingly> hey pleia2 are you here?
[22:57] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yep
[22:58] <jamiedmattingly> hey i dont know much about sf. was looking up address for tonight and it listed a bunch of condos at 199 new montgomery am i looking at the ri8ght address?
[22:58] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yes, the condos are above the street level stores
[22:59] <jamiedmattingly> ok just wanted to make sure had right place
[22:59] <pleia2> so you'll see The Roastery, the entrance to the condos, a Tutti Melon yogurt shop, a real estate firm
[23:00] <pleia2> and google maps calls it "Cafe Trieste"
[23:00] <pleia2> (old name maybe?)
[23:01] <jamiedmattingly> maybe i know trieste is a town in italy my dad was stationed there when i wasw a kid
[23:02] <pleia2> and feel free to give me a call if you get lost, can't find us, etc:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[23:02] <jamiedmattingly> what area code is 610?
[23:02] <pleia2> philadelphia
[23:02] <jamiedmattingly> your from phili?
[23:03] <pleia2> I lived there for several years
[23:03] <pleia2> just moved out here last year
[23:04] <jamiedmattingly> so im not the only transplant then :) im from illinois
[23:04] <pleia2> cool
[23:05] <pleia2> I actually grew up in Maine, lived in New York for a while
[23:05] <jamiedmattingly> i was born in england (dad was in airforce) moved to america when i was 12 to ofallon il
[23:06] <pleia2> I was born in georgia (I am secretly southern)
[23:06] <jamiedmattingly> then fairfield when 17 then after first marriage moved to springfield il in 01 then after divorce moved to vallejo in 04
[23:06] <pleia2> my parents moved to maine before I was old enough to remember
[23:07] <jamiedmattingly> i was stationed at fort benning for basic
[23:07]  * pleia2 raises glass to moving to california after divorces
[23:07] <jamiedmattingly> your not missing much
[23:07] <jamiedmattingly> cheers
[23:07] <pleia2> :)
[23:16] <jamiedmattingly> how do you do that thing where your doing something rather than saying something i guess
[23:16] <jamiedmattingly> shows an * instead of your name
[23:18] <pleia2> /me does something
[23:19] <jtatum> how vague
[23:20] <jamiedmattingly> wow i tried typing it but nothing happened
[23:21] <jamiedmattingly> ok so its the / then my name followed by the action right?
[23:22] <pleia2> not your name, "me"
[23:22]  * jamiedmattingly is confused
[23:22] <pleia2> there you go :)
[23:22] <jtatum>  /me <action>
[23:22] <akk> slash-em-eee-space
[23:22] <jtatum> or /em depending on fate
[23:22] <jamiedmattingly> yay
[23:23]  * akk cheers
[23:23]  * jamiedmattingly raises hands in triumph
[23:23]  * jtatum does something
[23:32] <jdeslip> pleia2 - but now how do you write "/me" at the beginning like that without causing the action...
[23:33] <pleia2> jdeslip: / /me does things
[23:33] <jdeslip> does the leading / kill any further commands?
[23:33] <pleia2> I think so
[23:33] <pleia2> / /me does things
[23:33] <pleia2> yeah
[23:33] <pleia2> that's double /s!
[23:34] <jdeslip> lol
[23:34] <akk> I think it depends on the client -- doesn't seem to work in xchat.
[23:34] <akk> I've never found a way to get a slash at the beginning of a line.
[23:34] <akk> Tried / / and //, they both say unknown command.
[23:34] <pleia2> yeah, it's client specific
[23:36]  * iheartubuntu is crazy
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> works in Opera irc
[23:36] <akk>  /me works everywhere (AFAIK), but getting it to SAY "/me" at the beginning of a line doesn't.
[23:36] <akk> (notice I had to put a space there, otherwise xchat would have complained)
[23:37] <jdeslip> How can we raise this discussion to another level of meta ;)
[23:37]  * jamiedmattingly curses xchat and its complaints
[23:39] <jamiedmattingly> this is getting to be fun
[23:41] <jamiedmattingly> ok gotta get out of here see you tonight who ever will be there
[23:42] <rww> akk: /say ?
[23:42] <akk> /me tries /say
[23:42] <akk> woo! Thanks, rww :)
[23:47] <akk> /etc/hosts
[23:48] <akk> ooh, funny, I didn't need to prefix that one at all (didn't mean to send it, I was checking to see what the exact error message was :)
[23:48] <nhaines> haha
[23:48] <nhaines> Command not found: (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail? _


[02:01] <jhl> I just tried to push my code to lp and ended up with this error: http://dpaste.com/274631/
[02:01] <jhl> Any ideas what's wrong?
[02:01] <lifeless> yes
[02:01] <lifeless> we have a degraded service on a backend server
[02:01] <lifeless> push again
[02:01] <jhl> OK, thanks.
[02:02] <jhl> lifeless: "No new revisions to push."
[02:02] <lifeless> that should be fine now
[02:03] <jhl> Yep, looks like all is well.
[02:03] <jhl> Thanks.
[02:03] <mtaylor> lifeless: fun for you
[02:03] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/674305
[02:04] <jhl> Achla.
[11:17] <lifeless> #/topic Assertion Error when pushing? see http://pad.lv/674305 | Code imports disabled for the week-end to mitigate this |
[11:35] <geser> is there a way to figure out with LP API which architectures are supported in each release?
[11:52] <wgrant> geser: For which meaning of "supported"?
[11:52] <wgrant> On archive.ubuntu.com, or in the release at all?
[11:54] <geser> wgrant: I'm working on the FBTFS script (I'm working on adding support for package sets) and asked myself while working on the script if I can fetch the architecture list for a release from LP instead of hard-coding the list in the script itself
[11:57] <wgrant> geser: It doesn't look like that's possible at the moment. Could you file a bug on Soyuz?
[11:57] <geser> sure
[11:58] <wgrant> I might fix it tomorrow.
[12:09] <geser> wgrant: bug 674854
[12:10] <geser> wgrant: do you know if distro_arch_series.official can be used to check if the arch is on archive.u.c or ports.u.c?
[12:13] <wgrant> geser: That isn't what controls the split, but I think that it should always match.
[12:13] <wgrant> So I'd use that.
[16:02] <fishor> hi all, do any one know best play to talk about new unity-compiz?
[17:23] <kklimonda> I've found a funny bug in Launchpad's code browser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/kangaroo/master/annotate/head%3A/tests/gtk-cell-renderers.c - line 87th is reversed.. sort of ;)
[17:24] <kklimonda> or maybe it's a bug in firefox..
[17:39] <tsimpson> kklimonda: looks the same in FF, opera and chrome, so it's not browser-specific
[17:41] <tsimpson> kklimonda: though, the odd thing is that when you look at the page source it's seems correct, so maybe it's that all the browsers are broken :)
[20:12] <ujjain> how can launchpad help me with having a multi-lingual site?
[20:14] <tsimpson> ujjain: what exactly are you asking?
[20:15] <ujjain> tsimpson: I dont know. I was recommended Launchpad, but don´t know why, if and how it could help me.
[20:15] <ujjain> I read the wiki page :p
[20:15] <tsimpson> Launchpad does do translations, but it's mostly for programs
[20:16] <lifeless> ujjain: if you want to have your site translated, launchpad can help.
[20:16] <tsimpson> unless you used some programming language for your site (PHP/Python/Perl/Ruby/etc)..
[20:16] <lifeless> if you use its translations facility.
[20:16] <lifeless> ujjain: there are several sites (like, for instance login.ubuntu.com) that use Launchpad translations to have their page templates translated.
[20:16] <ujjain> I use PHP/MySQL, considering using CakePHP.
[20:17] <ujjain> Does Launchpad offer a list of translations? or is it used for your site users to help translate?
[20:17] <ujjain> and as a way to manage and implement translations by users.
[20:18] <lifeless> the latter
[20:18] <lifeless> (amongst other things)
[20:18] <lifeless> http://help.launchpad.net/
[20:29] <ujjain> Hmm,, how can I obtain translation data? via cvs?
[20:31] <lifeless> bzr
[20:31] <lifeless> or downloads
[20:35] <ujjain> ah
[20:35] <ujjain> what format I wonder
[20:36] <lifeless> .po - gettect
[20:36] <lifeless> gettext
[20:36] <lifeless> you could start a thread on launchpad-users if you want to discuss this in detail
[20:37] <lifeless> I have to run
[20:38] <ujjain> Yes
[20:38] <ujjain> thanks lots!!
[20:38] <ujjain> I will do some googling and reading babout launchpad
[20:38] <ujjain> thanks again for your time


[06:41] <nikolam> on fresh Teamviewer install on fresh updated xubuntu 64bit 18.04, Teamviewer constantly crashes "Status Notifier" plugin.
[06:50] <nikolam> automatic xubuntu rpeort is filed and filing complain form teamviewer
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> nikolam: presumably you should ask teamviewer? since that's crashing
[07:07] <Babloyi> so...I have a python script (sopel, an irc chatbot) that I definitely didn't set to start when I boot my computer, but every time I boot up, once xubuntu loads, I have an error report from sopel, and if I click cancel, sopel continues running in the background (but not properly, because the chatbot doesn't appear)
[07:08] <Babloyi> and I have to kill it or whatever
[07:08] <Babloyi> I don't want it to run at startup, where do I check this?
[07:10] <flocculant> .config/autostart/
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> nikolam: oh wait, teamviewer itself isn't crashes actually
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> nikolam: anyhow, the bug report usually ends up in /var/crash, might be worth looking into
[07:33] <nikolam> pmjdebruijn, teamviewer is NOT crashing. "Status notifier" is crashing. "Status Notifier shoudl not srash becaus eof some random app talking to it. so it is also na Xubuntu/XFCe bug
[07:34] <nikolam> I reported it to teamviewer but I see notifier crashing as a serious XFCE/Xubuntu issue. Teamviewer should be crashing instead not a desktop system component...
[07:34] <nikolam> an pmjdebruijn Ah I see now you have saw it.
[07:40] <flocculant> nikolam: report it to bugzilla - the person who did work there is usually pretty responsive
[07:41] <flocculant> also as pmjdebruijn says - is there a report in /var/crash ?
[07:49] <pmjdebruijn> nikolam: yeah sorry should have read better in the first place :)
[07:49] <Babloyi> there is no sopel in .config/autostart
[07:49] <nikolam> :) pmjdebruijn
[07:58] <flocculant> Babloyi: no idea why it's starting then - probably better to check with the devs of it
[07:58] <flocculant> I notice that the first page of tutorial says it starts automatically ...
[08:04] <Babloyi> :O
[08:06] <Babloyi> I'm not seeing where it says that, flocc?
[08:06] <Babloyi> you mean "Once you've finished the configuration tool, Sopel will automatically start, connect to the network, and join the channels you specified."?
[08:17] <flocculant> Babloyi: yea
[08:17] <flocculant> I'd assume that it'll keep doing that - does it have anything in it's config?
[08:17] <Babloyi> I'm not sure that means it would start automatically EVERY time, I just thought it meant after you do the configuration...
[08:17] <flocculant> I'm just guessin here btw
[08:17] <Babloyi> lets see...
[08:18] <Babloyi> nope, the config file doesn't show anything about starting automatically
[08:20] <flocculant> no clue then - unless it starts as root *shrug* in which case you'd maybe want to look  at some systemd thing perhaps
[08:20] <Babloyi> :(
[08:20] <Babloyi> I wonder if I could just uninstall sopel and reinstall it...
[08:20] <Babloyi> I could save the config
[08:22] <flocculant> who knows ... I don't ;)
[08:23] <Babloyi> weird
[08:23] <Babloyi> Not uninstalling sopel at /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages, outside environment /usr
[08:24] <Babloyi> and if I do sudo pip3 uninstall sopel, I get...
[08:24] <Babloyi> The directory '/home/xxxx/.cache/pip/http' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and the cache has been disabled. Please check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
[08:25] <Babloyi> followed by the same first message
[08:26] <flocculant> mmm - good luck ;)
[08:26] <Babloyi> should I try it with sudo's -H flag?
[08:26] <Babloyi> will I explode something?
[08:28] <flocculant> shouldn't do
[08:29] <Babloyi> ohhhh
[08:29] <Babloyi> wait, figured it out
[08:29] <Babloyi> I had installed sopel through apt-get
[12:39] <mial> hello
[12:40] <mial> I'm trying to change some gtk settings but can't find a way to do it
[12:40] <mial> seems like gtk-theme-config was removed
[12:46] <Spass> hello mial, yes it was removed in 18.04, it had some bugs or something, check this thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/9eme5g/where_has_gtkthemeconfig_gone/
[12:47] <Spass> if you really need it you can try installing it from the DEB package downloaded from here - https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/gtk-theme-config
[12:49] <mial> so if I understand correctly, it's not possible to tweak theme settings anymore, I'm better off searching for a theme which doesn't need tweaking?
[12:54] <Spass> you can 1) install it from DEB and try to use it, maybe it works 2) use ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css config files to add your custom styles there 3) use a theme that doesn't need tweaking, if it exists ;)
[13:14] <mial> got it
[13:14] <mial> thanks a lot
[17:16] <sarex> Hey all!
[17:18] <sarex> I made my iso with linux live kit and all. Now when i boot from the usb stick. It's stuck at: syslinux 6.03 copyright (c) 1994-2014 h. Peter .... Can anyone help? Thanks :)
[17:19] <brainwash> sarex: does not look like something xubuntu specific, so you probably should ask in #ubuntu
[17:21] <sarex> Oh ok thanks :)
[18:28] <n-iCe> hi


[03:11] <gdos> for some reason my system wide language has been changed from en_US to en_UK and now i get funny little characters whenever i enter xfce-terminal
[05:42] <dbb> hi all - I have a tar backup of an entire system  basically  sudo tar /mnt/tmp_reote_bak/a.tar /
[05:42] <dbb> now I want to restore the entire backup to a VM's disk
[05:43] <dbb> I booted on XUbuntu 12.04 .iso... so I think there is a RAM FS.. but I dont undertand the details
[05:43] <dbb> I installed sshfs and mounted the remote dir with the tar file.. and I formatted and mounted the disk in the VM
[05:44] <dbb> so I want to untar the file, but point the restore to the root of the mounted disk, not the root of the RAM FS that is running the machine... I think I am close but I dont quite get the last step
[05:58] <dbb> .. maybe I need to install an OS to the disk, reboot, do the same remote mount, then restore, overwriting the OS files...
[06:24] <louigi> Hey guys! Today my xubuntu 12.04 loaded in text mode. xcfe4-session would not start and I had to start xubuntu-session to get to the graphic system. Recently I uninstalled a kscreen login, because after installing some KDE screensavers suddenly standard xubuntu login screen changed to some other.
[06:24] <louigi> like, kubuntu one
[06:24] <louigi> so now I think something is fishy in the startup scripts
[06:24] <louigi> can someone help?
[06:26] <louigi> so I need lightdm-gtk-greeter to work
[06:26] <louigi> it is there
[06:26] <louigi> but does not launch
[06:30] <dbb> dude - who knows what the KDE screensaver did?  how can anyone fix that?
[06:30] <dbb> I wrote screensavers :-)
[06:31] <dbb> I know what an awful hack they can be!
[06:55] <burialhound> Hi everyone. I have a System 76 Gazelle Pro Laptop and I put xubuntu 13.04 on it. and sometimes at boot it will hang on a black screen and not load, I have to take the battery out to restart. After that though Xubuntu loads super quick. is there a way to fix the hanging?
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> if you hold the power button on for 5 seconds that will turn the computer off
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> if the hang doesn't happen every time I would think it is a hardware issue
[07:06] <burialhound> thanks I was thinking of asking system 76 if I should use their ubuntu drivers, but I thought I would come here first to see if it is a problem others are seeing.
[11:25] <sovjet> hello
[11:26] <bgardner> sovjet: Hello
[11:26] <sovjet> have a lame problem because i am lame...
[11:27] <sovjet> i have created bootable usb key, but installation does not see the drive, because it needs additional ahci driver
[11:27] <sovjet> i have found something ahci.ko which i should add to that iso image before i put it on usb drive
[11:27] <sovjet> but i really dont know how to do that
[11:28] <sovjet> + i am on windows
[11:40] <bgardner> sovjet: Do you mean the USB won't boot?
[11:41] <sovjet> nope, it boots from usb key but i dont see any hdds
[11:41] <bgardner> sovjet: What version of Xubuntu did you put on the USB drive?
[11:41] <sovjet> the thing i have to do is: create a new usb bootable key with this driver for hdd controller added
[11:42] <sovjet> 12.04
[11:43] <sovjet> tried also with 13.04
[11:43] <sovjet> i am trying that on hp dc7900
[11:43] <sovjet> http://www.symantec.com/connect/downloads/linux-ahci-driver-dell-optiplex-760-and-hp-dc7900
[11:43] <sovjet> sorry if urls are note allowed in the chan
[11:45] <bgardner> sovjet: No, that's fine - and this link is pretty out of date, recent Linux kernels should have AHCI support builtin.
[11:46] <sovjet> which one should i try ?
[11:46] <sovjet> last 13.04 64bit ?
[11:46] <bgardner> sovjet: That would be where I would start, yes.
[11:47] <sovjet> hmm have 2 months old bootable key
[11:47] <bgardner> sovjet: Once you have the USB booted, be sure to poke around with lspci, lshw, lsmod and see what all devices you can actually see.  If you can get net access, come back here with the session running and we can get more interactive.
[11:48] <sovjet> oh
[12:22] <templer> hi there I have an old dell inspirion 1300 laptop and it is running ubuntu 9.10, however I am trying to upgrade it to xubuntu 12.04 for better flash updates etc as this laptop is for my mum. I am experienced using and setting up ubuntu but after I try the live CD and all works and as soon as the installer is running for a minute I get a console/black screen with output info where it hangs/crashes... cannot get around this... anyone have advice?
[12:25] <bgardner> templer: Perhaps try the minimal installer and see if you have better luck that way?  You can add your chosen DE after the install is completed.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:26] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|templer,  might also be worth considerin
[12:35] <sovjet> bgardner: i have this thing on internet now
[12:36] <sovjet> i can see the hdd in x
[12:37] <sovjet> but in terminal if i do df i dont see it
[12:37] <sovjet> also if i start installer i dont see a disk i could install to
[12:37] <bgardner> sovjet: df will only show it if you mount it
[12:37] <sovjet> ah okay
[12:38] <sovjet> so what should i check now ?
[12:38] <bgardner> sovjet: Do 'sudo fdisk -l' and see if you see the defined partitions you expect.
[12:38] <sovjet> yes i see /dev/sda is the hdd
[12:39] <bgardner> sovjet: Okay, well your original problem was that you couldn't see HDDs in the live session.  That sounds solved, so what is it you want to do now?
[12:40] <sovjet> in X there is install ubuntu 13.04
[12:40] <sovjet> if i run that in that installation i click english and next
[12:40] <sovjet> continoue*
[12:40] <sovjet> i have two green ticks on at least 5.4GB and connected to internet
[12:41] <sovjet> and then there is empty screen, +-change
[12:41] <sovjet> i see device for boot loader installation says /dev/sda
[12:42] <sovjet> if i click install now it says no root file system is defined
[12:42] <sovjet> please correct this from partitioning menu
[12:42] <sovjet> but that menu is empty, but there should be some ntfs partition there, because winsux is installed on that hdd
[12:43] <bgardner> sovjet: Did you want a dual-boot setup, or do you want to remove windows and replace it with Ubuntu?
[12:44] <sovjet> remove wins, clean installation ubuntu only
[12:44] <bgardner> sovjet: Then if I were you, I would manually clean off /dev/sda using fdisk, then try the installer again.
[12:45] <sovjet> okay
[12:49] <sovjet> deleted and reboot so if i do fdisk /dev/sda and press d
[12:49] <sovjet> it says no partition defined yet
[12:49] <sovjet> but i still dont see anything in installer
[12:50] <sovjet> if i click + it says sorry, ubuntu 13.04 has expirienced an internal problem
[12:50] <bgardner> sovjet: That's new to me.  Okay, well, build your partitions yourself and see if it picks them up.  If your memory is medium-low, don't forget to add a swap partition.
[12:50] <sovjet> executable path /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity
[12:55] <sovjet> made a partition but i still dont see it in installer :(
[12:55] <sovjet> ah sorry!
[12:56] <bgardner> sovjet: ?
[12:56] <sovjet> forgot to do the "w" in fdisk
[12:56] <sovjet> rebooting
[12:56] <bgardner> sovjet: Okay, let us know
[13:00] <sovjet> no luck
[13:02] <sovjet> if i do fdisk -l i see linux partition i made, but installer does not see it
[13:02] <sovjet> what now
[13:02] <GridCube> how do i transform this to a fstab line?  sudo mount --rw -t vboxsf Desktop /media/sf_Desktop/
[13:20] <jost> Hi! Is it possible to configure xfce4-screenshooter in a way that pressing the print-key multiple times only results in one screenshot? My cat *loves* to stand on that key, and taking several thousand screenshots easily consumes all main memory and swap.
[13:20] <jost> effectively forcing me to reboot
[13:22] <Myrtti> well
[13:23] <Myrtti> you could set it to do nothing on it's own
[13:23] <Sysi> jost: you can change key combination for printscreen in keyboard settings, make it ctrl-prnt or something
[13:24] <bgardner> sovjet: I honestly don't know, that behavior is new to me.  Hang around for a bit and see if anyone else can assist you.  Or you might also ask over in #ubuntu if you haven't already.
[13:24] <cub> The cat will notice the change in keyboard settings and press the correct keys. Cats do that.
[13:28] <jost> Myrtti, Sysi: Thanks
[13:29] <sovjet> bgardner: thanks for the help, ill try to install to external usb drive, if i can do that i am fine
[13:29] <bgardner> sovjet: Sure thing, good luck
[13:35] <zaggynl> hi, I just tried installing xubuntu 12.04.3 x64 and I keep getting "Invalid partition table!"
[13:35] <zaggynl> Did a clean install, wiped entire disk
[13:37] <zaggynl> Not sure what I'm doing wrong here
[13:43] <GridCube> zaggynl, the drive could be faulty, try to run a fsck
[13:46] <zaggynl> drive is fine
[13:46] <zaggynl> lemme run a diagnostic
[14:06] <zaggynl> disk checks out fine
[14:07] <zaggynl> might've been because I used UEFI boot
[14:29] <gdos> for some reason my system wide language has been changed from en_US to en_UK and now i get funny little characters whenever i enter (or other) xfce-terminal
[14:29] <GridCube> !uefi | zaggynl
[14:29] <zaggynl> thanks
[14:30] <GridCube> gdos, type setxkbmap en
[14:30] <GridCube> that should fix your keyboard
[14:32] <GridCube> although momentaneously, you will need to find a more permantent solution
[14:32] <gdos> error loading new keyboard description; what's happening is that every other char is a little box with ones and zeros.
[14:32] <gdos> ...especially when displaying colors.
[14:51] <Guest17400> hellò..which version of xfce there will be in saucy? 4.10 or 4.12?
[14:51] <knome> Guest17400, 4.10 with some 4.11 (4.12 development version) components. 4.12 isn't released.
[14:53] <Morrog> hello
[14:53] <bgardner> Morrog: Hello
[14:53] <Guest17400> thanks
[14:53] <Morrog> how are you today?
[14:54] <bgardner> Morrog: Good thank you, how can we help you?
[14:55] <Morrog> well, on monday i installed xubuntu 13.04 (i needed a more up to date OS than i previously had)
[14:55] <Guest17400> I saw that there are ppa for 4.12 ..is stable for PC that I use for work? i 'm currently using 13.30...I want the pc stable but updated, I do not use lts
[14:56] <Morrog> it's my first run with XFCE, and i remember on gnome 2 there was a possibility to view the entire keyboard layout
[14:56] <Guest17400> 13.10 sorry
[14:56] <Morrog> so one could look at all the keys and see where a symbol was. is there a similar function in xubuntu?
[14:56] <knome> Guest17400, it's at your own discretion, but i wouldn't use PPA's (that aren't critical for my work) on production machines
[14:57] <Guest17400> ok thanks for the suggestion ... I will not add ppa
[14:58] <knome> Guest17400, also, 13.10 isn't released yet, so until it's released, don't count on it being stable (yeah, only week until release, but nonetheless)
[14:58] <knome> Morrog, do you know what the application was called in gnome 2?
[14:58] <Morrog> no, but it was part of the regular menu where you could add keyboard layouts
[14:59] <knome> i assume if you installed that gnome2 component, you'd get the same functionality back (no idea what that component is, and what it would drag in with it)
[15:00] <Guest17400> I know this, always install the version from the beta then I never had any problems, xubuntu 13.10  beta 2 is very stable for now, and very beautiful
[15:01] <Morrog> thanks knome. i'll search some more for the exact application in gnome 2 - if i can find it that is
[15:01] <knome> np
[15:03] <gdos> so how do i remove the little boxes of ones and zeros when displaying colors in xfce-terminal?
[15:04] <knome> gdos, that sounds like an encoding problem, or a missing font
[15:07] <gdos> tried using courioer new and couriouer 10
[15:07] <knome> what i'm saying is
[15:07] <knome> those symbols might be interpreted as, say, japanese symbols
[15:08] <gdos> so how do i change the encoding?
[15:08] <knome> if the current font doesn't have that symbol, it's loaded from a different font - if there is any font that has that symbol
[15:08] <knome> where do you see the problem happening?
[15:08] <Morrog> knome, it seems to have been part of gnome-keyboard-properties, as far as i can tell
[15:08] <gdos> xfce-terminal AND guake (as well as xterm)
[15:09] <knome> gdos, with any colors anywhere, or with a certain CLI app?
[15:09] <Morrog> which then had a 'print' option (Print a diagram of the selected keyboard layout)
[15:10] <gdos> any console app that uses colors.
[15:10] <gdos> knome: i'm beginning to suspect its an encoding problem but not sure how to fix.
[15:11] <knome> gdos, could you imagebin a screenshot?
[15:12] <knome> Morrog, mhm, can't seem to find a suitable package for that, or at least an obvious one
[15:12] <Morrog> yeah, me neither. it's a minor thing of course, but i do feel a bit stupid for having to manually tap keys until i find the right symbol :p
[15:12] <gdos> knome: zimagez ok?
[15:13] <knome> gdos, whatever works
[15:14] <gdos> knome: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10092013-091312am.php
[15:15] <knome> gdos, aha, so not all the colors in the terminal are broken, eg. the prompt
[15:15] <knome> gdos, that looks like aptsh is using some symbols none of your fonts have
[15:15] <gdos> hmmm...what's the default font Ubuntu (or Xubuntu) uses? is there a font viewer that I can use to compare fonts?
[15:16] <knome> gdos, the way the fonts are loaded would usually fallback to any font that has that symbol
[15:17] <knome> gdos, practically, if an app asked for a symbol for the musical g-key and the current font didn't have that symbol, the system would find a font that has one, if any
[15:17] <knome> gdos, and only after that, show the unicode box
[15:17] <knome> gdos, the default terminal font is liberation mono IIRC, i prefer dejavu sans mono myself
[15:18] <knome> gdos, cucharmap, or gnome-character-map (symlink to the former) to look at the fonts
[15:18] <gdos> ok let me try those fonts, *BRB*
[15:19] <knome> if i see that correctly, the missing symbol looks like U+0001, which is a control character; that shouldn't be "missing"
[15:20] <gdos> knome: that first screenshot was with liberation sans mono (i forgot i delted my original xfce-terminal profile to resort back to default settings) and this next screen shot is with the deja sans mono font: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10092013-091910am.php
[15:20] <knome> gdos, i can confirm i have that bug with aptsh.
[15:21] <knome> gdos, do you have that bug with other apps?
[15:21] <gdos> knome: i will open up an tty and see if i get the same error.
[15:21] <gdos> er, bug.
[15:21] <knome> i don't have it on a TTY
[15:22] <gdos> knome: i, too, do not have it on a tty.
[15:22] <knome> so probably a bug in how xfce4-terminal handles U+0001
[15:22] <gdos> hmm....gimme a sec and let me try another terminal.
[15:22] <knome> works for me in xterm
[15:23] <gdos> but doesn't xterm not use font encoding or use what tty uses (can't remember)?
[15:23] <knome> don't kno
[15:23] <knome> +w
[15:25] <gdos> just for giggles i'm going to try another terminal.
[15:33] <Morrog> strange, the keyboard layout used in xfce is different from the one in gnome
[15:59] <xubuntu505> Hi all. I ve searched everywhere. But cannot find how fix font antialiasing on qt apps (vlc, virtualbx etc). Help me out please. :)
[16:08] <GridCube> doesnt qt has a control panel for itself?
[16:12] <TheSheep> it does
[16:13] <GridCube> in any case, my intuition says this has to work http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46535
[16:13] <TheSheep> qt4-qtconfig
[17:29] <gdos> knome: i do not get this issue with pterm (putty's terminal); gnome-terminal won't load; trying others now.
[18:05] <Dan_D> Does anyone here know what to do when a window gets an equals sign next to it's name in the start bar, and it stays basically minimised, and closing the program is the only answer it seem.
[18:06] <Dan_D> (on Xubuntu of course)
[18:06] <GridCube> Dan_D, the window is just scrolled
[18:06] <GridCube> or rolled
[18:06] <GridCube> use the scroll wheel over the title bar of a window to roll it up and down
[18:07] <Dan_D> Ok
[18:07] <GridCube> try it :)
[18:07] <Dan_D> Oh cool!
[18:07] <Dan_D> What is this feature for though?
[18:07] <GridCube> Dan_D, you can also add a button to the title bar to control the rolling of windows by clicking
[18:08] <Dan_D> Ok,thanksyou
[18:08] <GridCube> Dan_D, its a feature most window manager have had in linux since ever, its before the list of windows was set as a standard
[18:08] <Dan_D> Ok
[18:08] <GridCube> its pretty useful
[18:08] <Dan_D> I have never noticed it until today,however
[18:09] <GridCube> Dan_D, :) if you press alt while scrolling on the title bar you can make windows transparent!!
[18:09] <GridCube> :D
[18:09] <Dan_D> Holy S**T! That is sooooo cool.
[18:09] <bgardner> GridCube: HOW did I not know that?!
[18:09] <GridCube> :D
[18:10] <GridCube> if you press alt and clic anywhere in a window you can drag it
[18:10] <GridCube> if you press alt and left click on a window anyway you can resize it!
[18:10] <GridCube> :D
[18:11] <Dan_D> SO I can play a game and keep an eye on it's IRC channel at the same time with transparency.
[18:11] <GridCube> XD sure
[18:11] <Dan_D> Cool
[18:11] <Dan_D> Bye
[18:12] <GridCube> bye :)
[18:12] <gdos> knome: does same thing in lxterminal
[18:13] <GridCube> gdos, have  you tried loggin in using the guest account and see if you keep seeing this weird issue?
[18:13] <gdos> no will try that now, GridCube; just tried other terminals and does same thing. does not do it on xterm or pterm, however.
[18:15] <gdos> GridCube: guest account = same issue.
[18:16] <GridCube> how very weird
[18:32] <knome> gdos, can you file a bug about that?
[18:36] <gdos> how and where?
[18:38] <knome> gdos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+filebug
[18:43] <gdos> k. thanks, knome
[18:43] <knome> np
[18:43] <knome> gdos, you can paste me the bug when you're ready and i can poke around a bit
[18:53] <gdos> OK. How would I or should I word it, knome?
[18:54] <knome> "xfce4-terminal outputs the U+0001 control character"
[18:56] <gdos> got it. :)
[18:56] <knome> and attach a screenshot.
[18:57] <gdos> Ok.
[19:06] <gdos> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/1237594 (bug report filed on that issue we discussed earlier)
[19:07] <knome> what were all the terminals affected?
[19:08] <knome> (or, those you looked and were affected) ^ gdos
[19:08] <gdos> knome. yea i just added that, after the fact. sorry. :)
[19:09] <knome> but what were the exact terminals? i can mark them as affected as well
[19:11] <knome> oh right, read the description again :P
[19:11] <knome> marked lxterminal and gnome-terminal as affected
[19:12] <brainwash> so it's a libvte issue?
[19:13] <knome> no idea
[19:13] <knome> but at least there is now a bug :)
[19:14] <brainwash> interesting one, only the libvte terminals seem to be affected
[19:15] <brainwash> ^A^[[1;33mapt^A^[[1;31msh^A^[[0m>
[19:15] <brainwash> aptsh>
[19:17] <gdos> what is libvte? is it used in all terminals (or just the ones that use it like gnome-terminal, konsole, lxterminal, xfce-terminal)?
[19:18] <knome> brainwash, any additional information on the bug is appreciated. maybe even mark libvte as affected.
[19:19] <gdos> if it is libvte we might be able to narrow this down by trying which terminals use libvte vs. those that don't, correct?
[19:19] <knome> yep
[19:19] <brainwash> yea, all the mentioned terminals utilizes libvte
[19:20] <brainwash> tty is not affected, xterm and rxvt aren't either
[19:24] <gdos> what about gnome-terminal (i couldn't even get that to come up) or konsole (downloading it now); anyone else have those?
[19:25] <bgardner> gdos: I have gnome-terminal installed, what did you need tested again?
[19:25] <knome> bgardner, bug 1237594
[19:26] <bgardner> knome: Thank you, one moment
[19:27] <bgardner> gdos,knome: Yes, gnome-terminal is affected.
[19:27] <knome> anyway, we should move this discussion to #xubuntu-devel :)
[19:27] <gdos> however konsole doesn't appear to be, can anyone care to confirm?
[19:27] <gdos> ok gotcha, knome: i'll let you move it to #xubuntu-devl as i'm headed out the door. :)
[19:27] <knome> gdos, heh, oki, hf
[22:57] <ReaganomicsLambo> Hey does anyone here know how to switch windows on xubuntu 12.04. I'm not talking about switching workspaces. My tutor was helping me today and he pressed like 2 keys and was able to toggle all of the open windows on the screen. How do you do this?
[22:57] <ochosi> ReaganomicsLambo: alt+tab
[22:58] <ochosi> and to cycle in the other direction, you can do alt+shift+tab
[22:58] <ochosi> holding the alt-key (even after releasing tab) lets you stay in the overview
[22:58] <ReaganomicsLambo> lol, thanks man. You learn something new each day.
[22:58] <ochosi> works in every OS i know
[22:59] <ochosi> (incl. windows, osx)
[23:43] <xubuntu272> Hi
[23:44] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:44] <xubuntu272> im new to xubuntu
[23:45] <xubuntu272> please help me to change the task bar buttons


[12:02] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +293 cases (now 1.6 million), +6 deaths (now 27752), +15580 tests (now 10.1 million) since 21 hours ago


[00:00] <LjL> (by the way, commands like the one above are logged, and i urge you *not* to use them :)
[00:06] <PriceChild> LjL, Any chance of only getting them listenning to ubuntu cloaks or so?
[00:07] <LjL> PriceChild, those debug commands will be removed completely when they get operational
[00:07] <PriceChild> k
[00:07] <LjL> and if someone without an ubuntu cloak somehow gets to know about them and uses them, well, we have plenty of free slots in the ban list :P
[00:11] <Seeker`> so anyone *with* an ubuntu cloak can use it and not be banned?
[00:11] <LjL> i didn't say that...
[00:11] <LjL> i said i urge you all to not use them :P
[00:11] <nalioth> Seeker`: the bots will need 0 interaction once they're polished and rolling
[00:12]  * Seeker` doesn't have an ubuntu cloak
[00:12] <PriceChild> Seeker`, really doesn't matter...
[00:12] <PriceChild> I was confused earlier.
[00:12] <LjL> Seeker`, the idea is, you use them, i LART you, ubuntu cloak or not :>
[00:13] <Seeker`> PriceChild: only earlier?
[00:13] <Seeker`> LjL:  :P
[00:13] <PriceChild> cs lart Seeker`
[00:13] <PriceChild> gah damn / key.... just too far
[00:13] <Seeker`> woo for laziness!
[00:14]  * Seeker` wonders if he should bother applying for membership
[00:16] <mneptok> woo for laziness! (x2)
[00:17] <Seeker`> is there any benifit?
[00:17] <LjL> you get a shiny email address, a shiny cloak
[00:17] <Seeker`> hmm...shiny
[00:17] <Seeker`> sounds tempting
[00:18] <nalioth> and increased responsibility
[00:18] <LjL> he asked about benefits
[00:18] <Seeker`> nalioth: What responsibility will it give?
[00:19] <nalioth> Seeker`: it won't give any.  it will expect it
[00:19] <Seeker`> what expectations will there be then?
[00:21] <nalioth> for you to be an upstanding example of Ubuntu Community Member
[00:21] <PriceChild> Abide by the Codes of Conduct
[00:23]  * Seeker` tries to do that anyway
[00:23]  * ajmitch does that most days
[00:23] <ajmitch> or at least I try to
[00:25] <Seeker`> both of those things seem to be a subset of "behaving like a reasonable, decent person"
[00:33] <ajmitch> so, you need a significant & sustained contribution to Ubuntu in some fashion to get membership - I'm fairly sure you'll have that
[00:36] <Seeker`> ajmitch: I wrote mootbot, I'm an op in -uk, and i hang around in here
[00:39] <ajmitch> put your name forward on the CC agenda then & try & turn up at a meeting
[00:42] <Seeker`> is that enough to get membership?
[00:43] <Pici> Or show up at a meeting and watch who gets membership and what their qualifcations are
[00:44] <LjL> or get a gmail account, that's notoriously more l33t than an ubuntu account, and just respect the CoC anyway
[00:45] <no0tic> lol
[00:52] <Seeker`> :O
[00:53] <Seeker`> LjL: I'm already l337 enough
[00:53] <LjL> =)
[00:54] <PriceChild> I bet mneptok's been reading up on channel modes for the past couple of hours trying to figure out how to make that joke.... :P
[00:54] <LjL> hah
[00:54]  * Seeker` writes C and Assembler for fun (and, someday, profit)
[00:56]  * LjL suspects mneptok is now thinking of a revenge
[00:57] <PriceChild> LjL, erm... why haven't the floodbots changed the limit :P
[00:57] <LjL> PriceChild, they keep track of limits *they* set, not that someone else sets
[00:57] <PriceChild> ah right
[00:58] <LjL> they'll change it when the number of users in #ubuntu changes enough
[00:58] <Seeker`> wouldn't it be a good idea to monitor the current +l?
[00:58] <Seeker`> rather than rely on an internal representation
[01:00] <LjL> Seeker`: why? if an op sets a different +l, they'll have their reasons
[01:00] <Seeker`> but it will be reverted by the bot as soon as the number of users changes by x
[01:00] <Seeker`> where x is small
[01:01] <LjL> well yes
[01:01] <LjL> if the op doesn't want that to happen, they can deop the bot
[01:05] <nalioth> and the bot will reop
[01:06] <nalioth> and it'll be a nice tug-o-war
[01:06] <PriceChild> nalioth, they don't
[01:06]  * ajmitch spots a mneptok
[01:06] <PriceChild> LjL, said... :P
[01:06] <PriceChild> *waits a little*
[01:06] <LjL> nalioth, they only reop if they smell an emergency, otherwise they won't
[01:06]  * mneptok ducks behind a nalioth
[01:06]  * Seeker` wonders what emergencies smell like
[01:07] <LjL> well
[01:07] <LjL> they smell like...
[01:07] <LjL> this
[01:07] <PriceChild> Whats to stop someone flooding off a floodbot?
[01:07] <PriceChild> and then flooding #ubuntu
[01:07] <PriceChild> *wonders how easy that is
[01:08] <LjL> PriceChild, they don't reply to CTCPs, they mostly don't reply to anything
[01:08] <Seeker`> if a floodbot is flooded off, then the limit will remain the same
[01:08] <Seeker`> so it will stop lots of people joining
[01:08] <PriceChild> Seeker`, no.... the limit is removed
[01:08] <LjL> Seeker`: no, because the other bots will get +o and set -l
[01:08] <PriceChild> Seeker`, see above
[01:08] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Well, it depends on whether the flood one or many
[01:09] <Seeker`> s/the/they
[01:09] <LjL> Seeker`, feel free to try to flood them
[01:09] <LjL> (NOT using the debug commands, that's cheating, and those will disappear)
[01:09] <Seeker`> where are they hosted>/
[01:09] <LjL> Seeker`: like i'd tell you :)
[01:10] <Seeker`> LjL: I meant is it a personal net connection? or somewhere with a "proper" connection?
[01:10] <LjL> Seeker`: somewhere.
[01:10] <nalioth> PriceChild: they're not irc bots at all.
[01:11] <PriceChild> nalioth, pardon?
[01:11] <Seeker`> LjL: If its a personal net connection, it would probably be easier to DOS the bots rather than flood them
[01:11] <LjL> Seeker`: if you know what host they're on perhaps.
[01:11] <nalioth> PriceChild: the bots can't be attacked directly as they are not irc aware (like an irc client or supybot)
[01:12] <PriceChild> ahhhh ok
[01:12] <PriceChild> so you would need to know their ip to directly attack them?
[01:12] <nalioth> PriceChild: only by flooding their hosts
[01:12] <PriceChild> and then they're just as vulnerable as anyone else
[01:12] <LjL> PriceChild, maybe there is some way to flood them, but i can't think of any. people are generally flooded off IRC using CTCPs
[01:12] <Seeker`> does PING go via the IRC servers, or directly to the hosts?
[01:12] <LjL> but these bots don't reply to CTCPs
[01:12] <nalioth> but there are multiple bots on multiple hosts
[01:12] <PriceChild> I know how irc works.... honestly :)
[01:13] <Seeker`> i.e. Can you find the IP by sending CTCP pings to the host, and monitoring the outgoing packets for a destination IP?
[01:13] <LjL> PriceChild, i'm just saying, i can't think of a way to flood them, given they don't reply to CTCPs. i might be wrong and there could be some trick. feel free to try and find one, it'll only be useful to know.
[01:13] <LjL> Seeker`, CTCP is just PRIVMSG
[01:13] <LjL> (or NOTICE)
[01:14] <LjL> nothing fancy, just an IRC message
[01:14] <Seeker`> so it goes via the servers then
[01:14] <LjL> course
[01:15] <Seeker`> hmm#
[01:16] <PriceChild> Haha....
[01:16] <stdin> only dcc goes client<->client
[01:16] <PriceChild> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_floods
[01:16] <PriceChild> first image on the right... Flameviper
[01:16] <Seeker`> ok, could you do what I suggested with DCC?
[01:16] <stdin> Seeker`: no, they'd have to accept the dcc connection (via ctcp)
[01:16] <nalioth> Seeker`: these floodbots are written in php.  they do not conform to any irc standards
[01:17] <LjL> says you >:
[01:17] <nalioth> they do a single task and once they get polished and into #ubuntu for real, they'll not be accessible from irc at all
[01:17] <Seeker`> nalioth: I was wondering if there was a "trick" to find out the IP address of someone that is cloaked
[01:17] <nalioth> Seeker`: no tricks.
[01:17] <stdin> wouldn't be much point in a cloak otherwise :p
[01:18] <LjL> well, if "someone" accepts DCCs...
[01:18] <Seeker`> stdin: No system is perfect
[01:21]  * Seeker` doesn't know a huge amount about the inner workings of irc...yet
[01:22] <LjL> it's nothing special. what you type in the client is roughly the actual underlying protocol.
[01:27] <Seeker`> hmm
[01:27] <Seeker`> is there anything I can learn about to be more "useful"?
[01:27] <stdin> multi-user telnet
[01:27] <nalioth> Seeker`: learning is useful in itself
[01:29] <Seeker`> nalioth: agreed, but are there any specific topics that would make me more useful here?
[01:29] <PriceChild> Nothing really... just doing stuff.
[01:30] <PriceChild> Its not like jobs get done in this channel...
[01:30] <PriceChild> We just make decisions, and talk about things.
[01:31] <ajmitch> yes, 'things' :)
[01:32] <PriceChild> stuff, things, you know what I mean.
[01:33]  * Seeker` does "stuff" then
[02:04]  * mneptok stuffs Hobbsee with things
[02:04] <Pici> :o
[02:05] <mneptok> "context is for wusses." - mneptok, on the Canonical quotes page
[02:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:05]  * Hobbsee smacks mneptok
[02:10] <Seeker`> hmm
[02:11] <Seeker`> I really should go to bed - I have a lecture to be in in 7 hours.
[02:11] <Seeker`> But bed is so far away
[02:34] <FloodBot2> !ops | Mass join
[02:35] <FloodBot2> !ops | Mass join
[02:36] <ubotu> In ubotu, nikosA said: What is that?
[02:36] <ubotu> AndrewB called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[02:36] <ubotu> _zach_ called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[02:36] <ubotu> Ashfire908 called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[02:36] <AndrewB> /mode +d *w00t*
[02:36] <AndrewB> it will help
[02:36] <Hobbsee> let me join the fricking channel, you idiots.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah well.
[02:37] <nalioth> please use +r and +R
[02:37] <nalioth> +m and +i are to be used only in extreme circumstances
[02:38] <stdin> good test for the floodbots, you know they detect the mas-joins
[02:38] <nixternal> umm, who made Pelo and op in #ubuntu?
[02:39] <nixternal> never heard of him before, and he doesn't seem to understand what is going on
[02:39] <nalioth> nixternal: didn't you get the memo?
[02:39] <nixternal> can't say that I did
[02:39] <nixternal> or it is in the queue with the other 200 emails
[02:41] <nalioth> my question is "why isn't pelo in here?"
[02:43] <Pici> Probably because he disconnected..
[02:43] <Pici> ..but he should have been in here before that, yes.
[02:43] <nalioth> Pici: no, he was in #ubuntu during this attack, but not here at all.
[02:44] <Pici> nalioth: I know.
[02:44] <AndrewB> Pelo a new op?
[02:45] <Pici> apparently.
[02:45] <nalioth> AndrewB: yes
[02:47]  * AndrewB nods then goes to bed
[02:50] <Hobbsee> had forgotten how nutty #ubuntu is
[02:56] <LjL> uhm why did ubotu ignore floodbot calling
[02:57] <crdlb> maybe it ignores ubuntu/bot/*
[02:57] <LjL> as well as, why did the other floodbots set -l
[02:57] <Pici> Why are you asking us? shouldnt you know this?
[02:58] <crdlb> lol
[02:58] <no0tic> LjL, has the number of users been under 1000?
[02:58] <LjL> no0tic, shouldn't matter
[02:59] <no0tic> if it happens should bot set -l or am I wrong?
[02:59] <LjL> no0tic: no, it just won't set the limit below that
[03:00] <no0tic> ok, sorry, just searching an explanation :)
[03:01] <LjL> more likely just that the difference between limit and number of users got bigger than 50
[03:01] <LjL> or 40, or whatever i've set it to now
[03:02] <nalioth> yes, it exceeded 50
[03:02] <LjL> ok then it's not a bug
[03:02] <LjL> if the limit were actually set on #ubuntu, no -l would have been set
[03:02] <LjL> since it would never have reached that difference in the first place
[03:05] <LjL> otoh i still don't know why ubotu ignored the ops calls
[03:05] <LjL> ah wait, ubotu probably has ubuntu/bot/* on ignore...
[03:05]  * crdlb already said that :)
[03:06] <LjL> oh sorry missed it, i was mostly scrolled up to read the limits that were set...
[03:06] <LjL> that's a nuisance
[03:07] <crdlb> add an exception :)
[03:07] <LjL> dunno if it's possible
[03:08] <crdlb> of course it is, the question is how much work will it be :)
[03:10] <LjL> crdlb: i doubt seveas would be willing to change supybot's ignore code :)
[03:10] <crdlb> :)
[03:13] <crdlb> well you could ignore ubuntu/bot/ubot*
[03:13] <LjL> ubotu is the only one that starts with ubot :)
[03:14] <crdlb> ubotwo and ubot3?
[03:14] <LjL> right, ubotwo's got an ubuntu cloak... ubot3 doesn't though
[03:14] <LjL> but there are others anyway
[03:15] <LjL> anyway, i'll check with seveas
[03:37] <elkbuntu> LjL, is the floodbot doing the limiting based on #ubuntu's current numbers?
[04:00] <nalioth> !ping
[04:00] <ubotu> pong
[04:19] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, eboyjr said: !arp is <reply> ARP is an acronym for Address Resolution Protocol
[04:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Spaceman3750 said: !no arp is <reply> Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) is the process by which computers resolve IP addresses to MAC addresses to address frames for transmission within the local area network (LAN)
[04:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, genii said: ubotu remember  arp is Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) is the process by which computers resolve IP addresses to MAC addresses to address frames for transmission within the local area network (LAN)
[04:23] <nalioth> arp arp arp
[05:01] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu (deleriumz)
[05:03] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[05:03] <stdin> [05:03] <deleriumz> im sorry bradv and pirate, i didnt know linux users were pussies   ^
[06:32] <rob> how come floodbot1 is flooding the channel?
[06:33] <crdlb> heh
[06:33] <crdlb> it
[06:33] <crdlb> 's running here as a test
[06:33] <nalioth> rob: it only appears to be flooding because nobody is talking
[06:33] <crdlb> when it's in production, those mode changes will happen in #ubuntu
[06:33] <rob> I noticed, well at least it is aptly named I guess :)
[06:33] <crdlb> where it will be dwarfed by the #u traffic :)
[06:35] <rob> I'm guessing ljl owns that bot based on channel accesses
[06:36] <nalioth> rob: he's coded it.  they are hosted on different servers
[06:36] <rob> ah
[06:36] <nalioth> rob: you did see there are 3 of 'em, right?
[06:37] <rob> well yes I did, but was wondering who actually owned it as the details are pretty vague
[06:37] <nalioth> it's hosted on mine, ljls and somebody elses box
[07:03] <tnseditor1> hello
[07:03] <nalioth> hi tnseditor1
[07:03] <tnseditor1> I am a new OP
[07:03] <tnseditor1> and I am confused
[07:04] <tnseditor1> my regular name should be tnseditor, but in xchat it says my nickname is already in use.
[07:04] <tnseditor1> how do I fix that
[07:05] <nalioth> tnseditor1: why are you in #ubuntu-ops ?
[07:05] <nalioth>   /msg nickserv help ghost
[07:06] <tnseditor1> I am trying to get help since I am new to being an op
[07:06] <tnseditor1> I also forgot that command
[07:08] <crdlb> would someone like to remind marko that #ubuntu is not a place for random ranting about such topics as UFS and sudo?
[07:09] <nalioth> multiverse is a constant
[07:14] <ubotu> MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu (marko)
[07:15] <crdlb> *sigh*
[07:15] <ubotu> Varka called the ops in #ubuntu (marko)
[07:16] <ubotu> multiverse called the ops in #ubuntu (marko)
[08:07] <ubotu> Varka called the ops in #ubuntu (marko)
[08:10] <Amaranth> rob: aww
[08:10] <Amaranth> hey, you get a cooler force part message
[08:10] <rob> he was a bit annoying :)
[08:29] <Amaranth> !bcm43xx
[08:29] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[08:29] <Amaranth> !-broadcom
[08:29] <ubotu> broadcom is <alias> wifi - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 00:18:12
[08:29] <Amaranth> !no broadcom is <alias> bcm43xx
[08:29] <ubotu> You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm
[08:29] <Amaranth> !no broadcom is <alias> bcm43xx
[08:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[08:30] <Amaranth> !broadcom
[08:30] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[08:32] <zorglu> there is a troller on #kubuntu named "test_"
[08:32] <zorglu> not really an evil one, just to make you aware of it
[08:32] <ubotu> jussi01 called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[08:36] <zorglu> Mez: available to remove a troll from #kubuntu ?
[08:37] <ubotu> jussi01 called the ops in #kubuntu (test_ is trolling)
[08:38] <zorglu> well you got the info sleepy people :)
[08:39] <Mez> yeah yeah, lemme get rid of lag first
[08:40] <nalioth> nobody pays attention
[08:40] <Mez> !ping
[08:40] <ubotu> pong
[08:43] <jussi01> nalioth: nope, sadly... everyones sleeping
[08:44] <jussi01> nalioth: happens sometimes in the morning - they need to get someone from gmt +2 or +3
[09:31] <Tm_T> laa
[09:34] <nalioth> baa
[09:34] <Gary> oink
[09:37] <Amaranth> !info firefox dapper
[09:37] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>~prepatch071011b-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7791 kB, installed size 23060 kB
[09:38] <Gary> is that floodBot in #ubuntu? (and just telling us here what it is doing?)
[09:41] <Amaranth> no...
[09:41] <Amaranth> and it's not telling you what is going on, that's the server telling you the bot has changed channel modes
[09:42] <Amaranth> it's probably a test run to see how it handles #ubuntu traffic
[09:42] <Gary> ahh, cool
[09:42] <Gary> seems to change the channel mode a lot, but that'd be lost in #ubuntu though
[09:43] <nalioth> yes, it's here for a test period
[09:43] <nalioth> notice there are multiples for redundancy
[09:45] <Gary> it'd help a lot
[09:46] <nalioth> they're designed to pick up the slack if one lags off or splits
[09:47] <FloodBot3> Artificially lagging by 26 seconds due to debug command
[09:47] <nalioth> and all these outputs from the bot will be removed when it goes 'live'
[10:18] <Amaranth> nixternal: Is the copyright on your blog post making fun of something? :P
[11:22] <Tm_T> mmmh
[12:00] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ...hi RichEd
[12:05] <RichEd> hi Hobbsee ... can you help with a "doh" question ?
[12:05] <RichEd> i created #ubuntu-education some time ago ... but can't remember the password I used to register it
[12:05] <RichEd> any idea how i recover it ? need to get op status to create a topic
[12:10]  * Hobbsee curses whatever just hardlocked her system
[12:10] <Hobbsee> RichEd: good question
[12:10] <RichEd> Hobbsee: wasn't me :)
[12:11] <RichEd> Hobbsee: but also bear with me on this logic ...
[12:11] <RichEd> if the topic is "gone" that means the channel must have been empty at some stage
[12:11] <Hobbsee> or that freenode died since you last tried it
[12:11] <RichEd> does it then fall away, or does it stay registered ?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> it's still registered
[12:11] <RichEd> how do you find info about a channel ?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> why do you need the channel password?
[12:12] <Hobbsee>  /cs info #ubuntu-education
[12:12] <RichEd> to op myself so I can set a topic
[12:12] <Hobbsee> you don't need the channel p/w so you can set the topic
[12:13] <Hobbsee> RichEd: you can op yourself with /op, in xchat, i think
[12:13] <Hobbsee> the longhand way is /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-education RichEd
[12:14] <Hobbsee> you have enough power to add more ops, and to do so, you use /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-education add foobar 10
[12:14] <Hobbsee> (or similar, i think that's the synatax)
[12:14] <Hobbsee> -a
[12:15] <Hobbsee> you would only need the channel password in the case of the channel becomming unregistered, etc, i think
[12:15] <RichEd> okay
[12:31] <PriceChild> RichEd, have you tried "/msg chanserv identify #ubuntu-education" without the password?
[12:31] <PriceChild> It might just be linked to your nick instead of a password.
[12:31] <RichEd> PriceChild: I'm sorted ... thanks to Hobbsee ... ta
[12:47] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[12:47] <ubotu> pong
[12:48] <Jucato> :)
[12:57] <ikonia> assistanice in #ubuntu please "iank" starting to troll
[12:58]  * Tm_T can't help
[12:59] <ikonia> Tm_T: your rubbish then ;)
[12:59] <ikonia> he's calmed down any how
[12:59] <Tm_T> I am
[13:32] <ikonia> floodbot ?
[13:35] <PriceChild> ikonia, anti flood attack bots
[13:35] <PriceChild> ikonia, they are doing here what they would do in #ubuntu
[13:36] <PriceChild> Just going to run it for a week perhaps in here, check there aren't any major problems.
[13:37] <ikonia> PriceChild: thats quite clever
[13:42] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[13:42] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (geezuz)
[13:42] <PriceChild> ikonia, by flood, i mean join flood... not flood like just happenned :P
[13:43] <ikonia> PriceChild: I got you ;)
[14:24] <LjL> so did my bots behave tonight?
[14:24] <LjL> well, tonight and this morning... and the part of the afternoon while i was sleeping?
[14:28] <Tm_T> LjL: in which channels?
[14:28] <Tm_T> and what bots
[14:28] <LjL> the floodbots, in here
[14:28] <Tm_T> ah
[14:35] <Gary> LjL, they seemed to
[14:36] <LjL> aside, i see from the logs, from nalioth trying to give a demonstration of automatic failover, and failing :)
[14:37] <Gary> we could kick em to test it
[14:38] <LjL> hm no they disregard kicks
[14:38] <LjL> they need to quit, or lag
[14:56] <LjL> Gary: here's your demonstration
[16:00] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[16:08] <Mez> hmmles-  spammage from floodbot
[17:38] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:38] <ikonia> para in ops 200 line flood
[17:38] <ubotu> IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (Para93)
[17:39] <ubotu> fyrestrtr called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:39] <Tm_T> tomaw: hi
[17:39] <tomaw> hi
[17:39] <ikonia> thanks
[17:40] <Tm_T> tomaw: and welcome to our crew
[17:44] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[17:44] <ikonia> Slomo232 idiot in#ubuntu spamming
[17:44] <ikonia> thank you
[17:45] <ikonia> Mez: thank you sorry
[17:47] <ikonia> stand by on super_seag_sonic hedgohog for an outburst as he leaves
[18:10] <Tm_T> how you did realname ban?
[18:15] <Mez> Tm_T, Realname ban is +d I believe ;)
[18:15] <Tm_T> thanks
[18:15] <Mez> I just use /cs l for people like that
[18:23] <Tm_T> any staffers on?
[18:23] <AndrewB> drugs?
[18:24] <Tm_T> AndrewB: not funny
[18:24] <AndrewB> sorry..
[18:30] <twoshadetod> How long does a ban typically last for using unacceptable language?
[18:30] <PriceChild> Depends. What channel?
[18:30] <twoshadetod> #ubuntu
[18:31] <Tm_T> twoshadetod: depends how a banned person learns from it
[18:31] <twoshadetod> Well I haven't been able to get in there for 2 weeks and I need help, so I guess I learned my lesson
[18:32] <Tm_T> that doesn't mean it
[18:32] <Tm_T> more, you agree what you have done is not right?
[18:32] <twoshadetod> Hmm I don't know.  I "learned" you can't speak like that in the channel, it
[18:32] <Tm_T> and you promise it won't happen again?
[18:32] <twoshadetod> it's apparent now since I haven't been able to get in that if i use that language i will not be welcomed there
[18:33] <Tm_T> true
[18:33] <twoshadetod> yes i was wrong, and wont do it again
[18:33] <Tm_T> I'm happy with, PriceChild?
[18:33] <PriceChild> !guidelines | twoshadetod
[18:33] <ubotu> twoshadetod: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:33] <PriceChild> Please go read that.
[18:33] <PriceChild> Say when done.
[18:33] <PriceChild> And don't abuse the bot.
[18:35] <Tm_T> PriceChild: can't
[18:38] <twoshadetod> Who is SABDFL?
[18:38] <mc44> !sabdfl
[18:38] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[18:38] <twoshadetod> ahhok
[18:39] <twoshadetod> I've read the guidelines and code of conduct and tried to sign it but it just redisplays the code, i don't see how i can sign it
[18:40] <twoshadetod> Is that required? Or just my thorough review and acceptance of them in front of you ok?
[18:40] <Tm_T> no need to sign it
[18:40] <Tm_T> you need launchpad account and gpg key to signup
[18:41] <twoshadetod> ok very good, thanks for giving me a second chance - the #ubuntu channel is probably the best resource I have found to date
[18:41] <Tm_T> :))
[18:41] <twoshadetod> the forum being a close second but the channel is real tiem
[18:41] <twoshadetod> am I good to go guys?
[18:41] <Tm_T> twoshadetod: best for all of us is no need to ban at the first place, second is that we can remove them without hassle
[18:42] <Tm_T> in a minute
[18:44] <Tm_T> twoshadetod: can you join now?
[18:44] <twoshadetod> yes thanks alot
[18:44] <twoshadetod> PriceChild thanks for giving me a shot to even ask
[18:44] <Tm_T> you're welcome and have a good time in ubuntu irc
[18:44] <twoshadetod> Ok guys take care
[18:45] <Tm_T> ...there was no ban to remove?
[18:46] <Tm_T> oh, right
[18:47]  * Tm_T is slow
[20:00] <FloodBot3> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[20:01] <Pumpernickel> Why is the floodbot flooding the channel?
[20:02] <nalioth> LjL: not my fault the random number generator picked a small number
[20:29] <LjL> nalioth: heh yeah :)
[20:29] <LjL> 27 seconds is still above threshold
[20:29] <LjL> but the other bots much catch it at the right time during the minute
[20:30] <LjL> i've changed the ping code anyway, i had done something kind of stupid, which increased ping response times
[20:31] <LjL> nalioth: can you send me your bot's logs? it seems to be lagging, but the other bots don't see it as lagging very much
[20:34] <LjL> uhm well actually chanserv did have a 10 seconds roundtrip time
[20:34] <LjL> guess your bot saw it as well higher because of that thing above
[21:06] <FloodBot1> Synced to #ubuntu, 1217 users present
[21:08] <FloodBot1> Synced to #ubuntu, 1219 users present


[07:47] <danbuntu> Hi I'm tryign to get some eyes on #1579818
[07:47] <danbuntu> The recent samba upgrade has borked winbind/ mod_auth_ntlm
[07:48] <danbuntu> This is causing a fair bit of grief in the moodle/ education community as it's broken single sign on
[18:17] <clivejo> Hi, is there anyone here would help me with an SRU?
[23:35] <nacc> Could someone nominated LP: #1580318 for Xenial?