[00:00] <Nothing_Much> Quick question, does Ubuntu Touch have a feature where you choose when to update through your Wifi instead of your 3G network to save money and data?
[00:18] <nhaines> Nothing_Much: updates are monthly, so you can always turn off automatic updates.
[02:01] <Chuk> hello?
[02:20] <dobey> Nothing_Much: updates are only automatically downloaded on wifi by default, but you can set it to never, or always, as well. and the update won't be installed until you go into the updates settings pane, and tap on the install button
[03:13] <aADI> HI
[03:13] <aADI> HOW CAN I INSTALL UBUNTU TOUCH ON MY SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB 3 SM-T211
[03:14] <nhaines> aADI: nobody here knows.  You need to find the group of people responsible for porting Ubuntu to that device and ask them.
[03:14] <nhaines> !devices
[03:15] <aADI>  i did search there, unfortunately its not yet ported
[03:15] <aADI> WIP i hope
[03:16] <aADI> If any developer is seeing this, please please please get us ubuntu touch for galaxy tab 3 sm-t211 at the earliest
[03:16] <aADI> we all are eagerly waiting
[03:17] <RAOF> Well, the nice¹ thing about Ubuntu Touch is that you _don't_ have to wait, eagerly or otherwise...
[03:17] <RAOF> Instead, you can quit :)
[05:16] <udaykanthr> Hi, im trying to port i9300 device can anyone please help me, im a newbie
[05:17] <udaykanthr> i sucessfully compiled ubuntu touch for the target device i9300 and and got required img files as output(system.img, boot.img, recovery.img)
[05:20] <udaykanthr> i need info to flash these img files using odin3 as this device dont support fastboot
[05:26] <udaykanthr> is anyone getting my messages?
[05:27] <diwic> udaykanthr, it's early in the morning in Europe, most people are not up yet
[07:18] <tvoss> pitti, ping
[07:18] <pitti> hey tvoss
[07:19] <tvoss> pitti, guten Morgen :)
[07:19] <tvoss> pitti, a network manager version is stuck in proposed
[07:19] <tvoss> pitti, ~24, with the i386 autopackage tests failing, passing on amd64, though
[07:19] <tvoss> pitti, perhaps a retry of the i386 build could help
[07:20] <pitti> tvoss: yes, it regresses the killswitch test on i386
[07:20] <pitti> no, I already did several times
[07:20] <pitti> I also ran it manually
[07:20] <tvoss> pitti, ah, interesting
[07:20] <pitti> it reliably succeeds on i386 in utopic and reliably fails in utopic-proposed
[07:20] <pitti> so this needs an acutal fix
[07:20] <pitti> cyphermox_ already pinged me about it yesterday
[07:21] <tvoss> pitti, ack and thx
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <popey> Happy birthday JamesTait
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Stand Up To Cancer Day! :-D
[08:28] <dob__> Did somebody try to install ubuntu phone on a asus zenfone?
[08:29] <dob__> Isn't there any intel device running ubuntu phone yet?
[08:29] <popey> !devices | dob__
[08:30] <JamesTait> Do we have a feel for how close we are to closing the last promotion blocker issues?  I'm itching to switch my mako to ubuntu-rtm. :)
[08:30] <dob__> popey: I already looked there and was more thinking about creating my own custom version...
[08:30] <JamesTait> Or alternatively, if I switch to ubuntu-rtm-proposed, are the outstanding blockers likely to cause me major grief?
[08:30] <dob__> popey: Even everybody says ubuntu phone will run on intel devices. I think there is no intel device running ubuntu phone yet. Did not find any device in the list....
[08:33] <dholbach> ogra_, I'm stuck in a install-new-image loop - what can I do? the device thinks it's on 236, and 239 gets installed repeatedly
[08:33] <dholbach> (mako)
[08:34] <dholbach> or anyone else? ^
[08:48] <popey> dholbach: victor mentioned this on the list
[08:48] <popey> i have updated my mako OTA to 239
[08:49] <dholbach> ah ok, let me take another look
[08:49] <janimo`> is running simple qml apps from the command line using qmlscene still supported for development?
[08:49] <janimo`> I get this in a default install: qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of ''
[09:14] <ogra_> dholbach, fresh flash or OTA ?
[09:14] <dholbach> ogra_, OTA
[09:15] <ogra_> OTA definitely worked fine here ... for a fresh flash when 236 is installed you might need recovery mode
[09:15] <dholbach> anything I could try out?
[09:16] <ogra_> you could try to wipe /cache/recovery, it should re-download
[09:18] <dholbach> hum - how do I do that?
[09:19] <dholbach> mh, so version-239.tar.xz is in /cache/recovery already
[09:20] <dholbach> so you'd say, if I remove all files in the directory and try again, I should be fine?
[09:20] <ogra_> sudo rm -rf /cache/recovery/*
[09:21] <dholbach> ok
[09:22] <dholbach> ogra_, does http://paste.ubuntu.com/8325788/ look bizarre to you too?
[09:23] <ogra_> dholbach, not at all, thats the actual breakage in 236 ... and why i said you should flash in recovery when flashing and not OTAing
[09:24] <ogra_> adb reboot recovery
[09:24] <dholbach> gotcha
[09:24] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed --device=mako
[09:24] <dholbach> thanks ogra_
[09:24] <ogra_> (in recovery you need to hand over the --device switch too)
[09:36] <dholbach> ogra_, yep, looks like it's happy now
[09:36] <ogra_> awesome
[09:38] <dholbach> brb
[09:43] <dbarth> pitti: ping? can i bother you about a langpack question?
[09:44] <pitti> dbarth: ça va ? what's up?
[09:44] <dbarth> pitti: hi
[09:44] <dbarth> i'm wondering if that branch is right: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/1.2/revision/689
[09:44] <dbarth> it doesn't seem to work but maybe we're not putting the files where we should anymore
[09:45] <dbarth> ie, the .mo containing the accept-language string are part of the oxide package
[09:45] <mardy> ogra_: on #236, it looks like that whenever I go from passphrase to PIN code, I lose the developer mode; is this expected?
[09:45] <dbarth> and i worry they may not be at the place the system expects them to be at
[09:46] <dbarth> pitti: on the phone they end up for example in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/oxide-qt/locales/de.pak
[09:46] <pitti> dbarth: well, first of all, using gettext for language codes seems a bit strange
[09:46] <pitti> dbarth: it's horribly error prone and very easy to get wrong by translators
[09:47] <dbarth> ah
[09:47] <ogra_> mardy, does it work fine if you re-enable it ? the dev mode checks for an empty pw, not sure if the password handling zeros it before setting the new one
[09:47] <Elleo> 22
[09:47] <Elleo> oops
[09:47] <pitti> dbarth: but aside from that, it seems that it's not using the right cmake magic to put mo files where they belong to, in /usr/share/locale/<locale>/LC_MESSAGES/<domain>.mo ?
[09:47] <dbarth> pitti: i guess the idea was to able to tweaks the accept-language line
[09:48] <dbarth> pitti: ok
[09:48] <dbarth> and that may explain why we don't get the right string in the end
[09:48] <pitti> dbarth: no idea what that .pak file is, maybe qt (or something else) has its own translation format
[09:48] <pitti> but it's certainly not gettext()
[09:48] <dbarth> oh
[09:48] <pitti> that wants .mo files
[09:49] <dbarth> hmm ok
[09:49] <pitti> dbarth: back to AcceptLanguage in particular, that looks pretty much like what $LANGUAGE is for
[09:49] <dbarth> pitti: and what would you suggest to use instead of gettext in that case?
[09:49] <dbarth> ok
[09:49] <pitti> dbarth: I don't know -- as I said, I don't know what .pak files are
[09:49] <dbarth> chrome format i think
[09:50] <dbarth> ok, i'll catch up with alex-abreu and let you know
[09:50] <pitti> I suposed there's a corresponding "translate this string" function for that chrome API
[09:50] <dbarth> right
[09:50] <pitti> or, if you use gettext, it needs a different cmake invocation for generating and installing the .mo
[09:50] <pitti> as pretty much every other package uses that, it's hopefully easy to do that
[09:50] <dbarth> ok
[09:50] <dbarth> pitti: well, thanks, that gives me some options to look at
[09:53] <mardy> dbarth: I cannot reproduce bug 1236986 anymore; should I mark it as need-info, or just set it to fix released?
[09:55] <mardy> ogra_: actually, yes, now I could set a PIN and still keep the developer mode. But I swear that before it was not working :-)
[09:56] <ogra_> well, i assume the account service had zeroed it for a second or so
[09:56] <ogra_> developer mode only pulls the info from PW handling, but has nothing to do with it beyond that
[10:00] <lool> ogra_: heya, do you know if the flashing tools were fixed since yesterday?
[10:00] <lool> I heard there were some issues yesterday
[10:01] <ogra_> lool, adb was broken on 236
[10:01] <lool> ogra_: are we good with today's?
[10:01] <ogra_> sure
[10:01] <lool> cool
[10:01]  * lool flashes
[10:01] <ogra_> 237+ are all good
[10:01] <ogra_> it is only an issue if you had 236 installed
[10:05] <lool> tvoss: hmm I see a couple of NM landings, but not one with 24 / 25 a silo number
[10:05] <lool> tvoss: there's the utopic end of scans one which seems to be in progress, then there's an rtm one without a silo
[10:05] <tvoss> lool, silo 4
[10:06] <tvoss> lool, Saija Saarenpää
[10:06] <lool> line 61, ok
[10:06] <tvoss> lool, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-004/+packages
[10:07] <lool> tvoss: what's with saija? is he the one testing it?
[10:08] <Elleo> how do we take screenshots on the latest images? phablet-screenshot doesn't seem to work anymore?
[10:08] <popey> wfm
[10:08] <popey> in what way does it not work?
[10:08] <Elleo> it thinks its using surfaceflinger
[10:08] <Elleo> and so does everything wrong
[10:09] <popey> waaaat
[10:09] <dbarth> mardy: can you clarifiy the steps to reproduce; the original description seems outdated
[10:10] <mardy> dbarth: I remember that I could reproduce it by just deleting two accounts, but now I couldn't
[10:10] <mardy> dbarth: I removed three accounts (including an U1), but it didn't crash
[10:10] <mardy> dbarth: your refactoring has probably fixed it :-)
[10:10] <Elleo> 24
[10:11] <Elleo> oops
[10:11] <Elleo> popey: ah, interestingly it works on my rtm device, just not on my utopic-proposed one :/
[10:12] <dbarth> mardy: i would be glad ;)
[10:12] <dbarth> mardy: i tried removing all accounts and recreating and that works fine so far
[10:12] <mpt> In multiple images now I have had no Wi-Fi on Mako. Where should I report that bug? networkmanager?
[10:13] <mpt> (^ cyphermox_ Wellark)
[10:14] <popey> Elleo: wfm on utopic-proposed flo
[10:14] <mpt> The Network indicator menu contains nothing but the word “Empty!”, and the Network settings contain nothing either
[10:14] <Elleo> popey: odd :/
[10:15] <mardy> dbarth: so, can I set it to "fix released"?
[10:20] <dbarth> mardy: i will comment
[10:24] <uday> Hi
[10:25] <popey> hello
[10:25] <uday> I build ubuntu-toch source for target device i9300
[10:26] <mpt> (Followup to the above: reported bug 1368675)
[10:27] <uday> And got generated .img files but not sure how to flash to the device without using fastboot
[10:28] <Chipaca> anybody know when seb's back? got a mp in "needs information" from him :-(
[10:28] <uday> Hey popey, please guide me to the right direction
[10:29] <willcooke> Chipaca, Seb's back on Monday
[10:29] <Chipaca> willcooke: thanks
[10:32] <popey> uday: sorry, I have no idea. never seen a i9300 ⍨
[10:33] <uday> Thanks for the response popey.
[10:34] <uday> Is it possible to flash to devices without fastboot?  Like using odin3
[11:01]  * tbr idly ponders if he'll hear back from tvoss at some point
[11:53] <Wellark> mpt: uh, oh..
[11:53] <Wellark> that's indicator-network not running
[11:54] <Wellark> meaning it's probably crashing straight away when upstart keeps respawning it and finally upstart has given up on it
[11:54] <Wellark> mpt: you have this happening now?
[11:54] <Wellark> mpt: I would sure love to have a live debugging session with you
[11:54] <Wellark> to quickly get to the bottom of this
[12:02] <cjwatson> bzoltan: does my suggestion in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1364327 work for you?
[12:08] <mpt> Wellark, sure, go ahead
[12:08] <mpt> Wellark, indicator-network *looks* like it’s running … I still have the title, and the menu containing “Empty!”
[12:09] <ogra_> the service is most likely not running then
[12:12] <Wellark> mpt: that means it's not running :)
[12:12] <Wellark> if you see the "Empty!" then it's down
[12:12] <mpt> So the title is provided by different code? Interesting
[12:12] <Wellark> the empty comes from unity8 when there is no data to show from the indicator
[12:12] <Wellark> mpt: actually not
[12:12] <Wellark> the title and the panel icons come initially from indicator-network
[12:13] <Wellark> but if it dies for whatever reason
[12:13] <Wellark> the menu is cleared
[12:13] <Wellark> but the title or panel icons are not
[12:13] <Wellark> so you see a ghost of past in there :)
[12:13] <ogra_> Setting up...
[12:13] <ogra_> Setting up a default password for phablet to: '0000'
[12:13]  * ogra_ hugs sergiusens
[12:13] <mpt> The Ghost of Indicators Past, now available from terrible bookstores everywhere
[12:14] <Wellark> mpt: let's see about that on the client sprint ;)
[12:14] <Wellark> I'm not ready to let go of the indicators just yet
[12:14] <mpt> “It was a dark and stormy Suru theme…”
[12:34] <jgdx> mpt, do system settings!
[12:40] <bzoltan> cjwatson: Yes, it does. We need to fix our code in few places. But still your suggestion sounds the most simple and straightforward.
[12:40] <cjwatson> Great, will get on that
[12:40] <cjwatson> Thanks
[12:49] <sergiusens> ogra_: np
[12:49] <ogra_> sadly it still misbehaves after a few reboots
[12:49] <ogra_> i dont get why
[12:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, we should also omit the wizard by default i think
[12:50] <ogra_> it wants you to set a new PW
[12:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: the full wizard?
[12:51] <sergiusens> should we skip the password prompt only?
[12:51] <ogra_> dunno, can you just make it skip the PW stuff ?
[12:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: not directly; so user mode would like a wizard, automation mode would use phablet-config and disable it completely
[12:51] <sergiusens> that's my thought at least
[12:52] <ogra_> yeah, something like that
[12:52] <ogra_> i'd really like to know why it still fails here ... damned
[13:10] <sergiusens> pitti: do you know if this is known? http://i.imgur.com/8YK4bbz.png
[13:10] <sergiusens> or dpm ^
[13:11] <sergiusens> I'm on es_AR
[13:13] <dpm> sergiusens, weird, it seems like content hub doesn't like á
[13:13] <sergiusens> dpm: I thought that was a thing of the past :-P
[13:17] <dpm> indeed :)
[13:18] <dpm> sergiusens, does Cámara display well in the click scope? I mean as one of the top 6 apps in the scope
[13:18] <sergiusens> dpm: yes :)
[13:19] <sergiusens> dpm: I'll log a bug against content hub
[13:19] <dpm> ok, thanks
[13:19] <dednick> charles: hey. so it looks like something that changed lately caused this problem with indicator-datetime. I was doing some testing and accidentily built an older version of the indicator on the phone and it was working ok
[13:19] <dednick> charles: until i realised my error and updated to new code.
[13:24] <dednick> charles: my guess would be r366 (powerd wakeup)
[13:30] <sergiusens> dpm: feel free to tag accordingly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/content-hub/+bug/1368770
[13:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, could it be that we only unpack the android initrd once in the emulator and not during boot ?
[13:31] <dpm> nice bug title sergiusens :)
[13:31] <ogra_> i mean not during subsequent boots
[13:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: you want upgrades to work?
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: only during creation
[13:32] <ogra_> sergiusens, no, i want adb to work :P
[13:32] <ogra_> aha !
[13:32] <ogra_> seems the emulator doesnt get along with removing the forced persistent bit for adb from init.rc
[13:33] <ogra_> but when i remove that code from the pre-start.d file it still doesnt bring up adb on second boot ... the above explains that then
[13:38] <tedg> mardy, It seems like UOA is trying to open "unconfined" in some cases: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/5fcbd2bc-395d-11e4-a3d7-fa163e4ccdf2
[13:42] <matv1> popey might i trouble you for a minute?
[13:45] <popey> matv1: wassup?
[13:45] <matv1> You remember we said we would try to trouleshoot peap/mschapv2 authentication
[13:46] <matv1> popey and did ahayzen already get back to you with some probing from his side? I remember he also had access to peap auth network.
[13:46] <popey> no, not yet
[13:47] <matv1> popey I said i would do some troubleshooting in my schools eduroam network. Didnt have a chance for this sooner as they made me do actual work all week. Sorry bout that. but i have some time now
[13:47] <popey> no problem.
[13:47] <matv1> popey If you want I have some time now to generate some logs. But I am going to need some guidence on what to extract.
[13:48] <ogra_> rsalveti, where do i find the emulator init.usb.rc ? https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=aosp/device/generic/goldfish.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/phablet-4.4.2_r1;hb=refs/heads/phablet-4.4.2_r1 seems to only have the init.goldfish.rc
[13:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: init.rc is generic, for every device
[13:48] <rsalveti> let me check the path
[13:48] <rsalveti> ./system/core/rootdir/init.rc
[13:48] <ogra_> well, i'm specifically looking for the force adb on lines
[13:49] <matv1> popey or else we would have to try next week. if this is not a good time fr you
[13:49] <ogra_> rsalveti, are they the same on all devices ?
[13:49] <ogra_> (including emulator)
[13:49] <rsalveti> ogra_: https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/c/326/
[13:49] <rsalveti> ogra_: yes
[13:49] <ogra_> ok
[13:50] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, did that land already ?
[13:50] <ogra_> doesnt look like ... and i'm not sure the emulator likes it removed
[13:51] <ogra_> (even dropping all my upstart changes and moving back to how it was before adbd only starts on first boot
[13:51] <ogra_> )
[13:52] <ogra_> thats why i assume the removal there actually causes the issue
[13:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: not even approved yet
[13:52] <popey> matv1: I'm actually not entirely sure what logs would be of use.
[13:52] <ogra_> right
[13:52] <ogra_> sigh
[13:52] <ogra_> why is the emulator so weird :/
[13:52] <matv1> popey ah that makes two of us. Who would be the person to ask?
[13:52] <popey> cyphermox_: is there any useful / valuable logging to be gained from network manager connecting to peap/mschapv2 authenticated networks?
[13:53] <popey> ^ him
[13:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, looking at that patch it cant be the right file
[13:53] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# grep nonencrypted /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/init.rc
[13:53] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:~#
[13:54] <ogra_> weird
[13:55] <pitti> sergiusens: you mean the untranslated app names?
[13:55] <sergiusens> pitti: nope, the translated one :-)
[13:55] <pitti> sergiusens: there's a big bug for it
[13:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: it should be
[13:55]  * ogra_ rebuilds for the 100s time
[13:55] <pitti> sergiusens: ah, the ca!mera?
[13:55] <pitti> sergiusens: no, rvr might know about that one
[13:56] <sergiusens> pitti: I created a bug for it, bug 1368770
[13:56]  * rvr reading the log
[13:56] <matv1> popey cyphermox I already tried rewriting that connection file in several ways but to no avail
[13:56] <sergiusens> pitti: thanks
[13:57] <popey> matv1: he's the expert ☻
[13:57] <pitti> sergiusens: certainly worth checking the .po if maybe the actual translation is just broken?
[13:58] <sergiusens> pitti: but it's fine on the scope
[13:58] <rvr> sergiusens: I saw that yesterday night, but didn't create the bug. Thanks.
[13:58] <rvr> AFAIK, only happens in the content-hub
[13:58] <pitti> sergiusens: ah, so rendering issue then
[13:59] <matv1> popey okay I will maybe try to ping him on the issue a little later on. Thanks
[13:59] <popey> np
[14:00] <satoris> I flashed my Mako with --bootstrap --developer-mode but adb seems to be completely disabled. How do I get it on again?
[14:00] <rvr> pindonga: And the content-hub is still untranslated in Launchpad :(
[14:00] <rvr> Oops
[14:00] <rvr> pitti: And the content-hub is still untranslated in Launchpad :(
[14:02] <alecu> bzoltan1: dednick: Saviq: there's some very weird behaviour for OptionSelector items in apps running inside a Trusted Prompt Session. Here are some videos that try show that: https://plus.google.com/115195519184160675378/posts/SdUK6BdZtJV
[14:02] <ogra_> sergiusens, so if i created an emulator instalce with --use-raw-disk adn mount and change the image contents, it should pick these changes up on first boot, no ?
[14:02] <ogra_> *instance
[14:02] <ogra_> satoris, you need --password= as well
[14:03] <ogra_> satoris, or set a PW from the UI and manually enable dev mode there
[14:03] <sergiusens> ogra_: yes, but if you want to change init; you need to edit the boot.img, right
[14:03] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, all i want to change are upstart jobs and the pre-start.d bits of the container
[14:03] <sergiusens> ogra_: you can look at my "testing scenario" in the passwd MP ;)
[14:03] <sergiusens> ogra_: should work
[14:03] <ogra_> but whatever i do i cant get adb to start at all
[14:04] <ogra_> even when rolling back all my changes completely
[14:07]  * ogra_ doesnt get it
[14:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: emulator debugging is easier reading the qemu repo I pointed you to
[14:08] <sergiusens> same happened to me everytime I tried to add something
[14:09] <ogra_> well, but if changing the image content actually chnages it it should just work
[14:09] <ogra_> especially when i do it before first boot
[14:11] <Saviq> alecu, can you take a screenshot please and see if the text becomes transparent as well, or is it only background? if only background, it'd be a UITK issue, if the text as well, that'd be unity8
[14:11] <ogra_> oh man !
[14:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, we never enabled mtp on the emulator before, did we ?
[14:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: I don't think cyphermox_ fixed mtp-server for it
[14:11] <rsalveti> was crashing all the time
[14:11] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, and I don't think we will
[14:11] <ogra_> hahahahahahaha
[14:11] <ogra_> ok, then i found my issue
[14:12] <rsalveti> we might support it at some point, I think it'll be useful
[14:12] <rsalveti> but yeah, currently broken
[14:12]  * ogra_ builds a fresh emulator to verify
[14:13] <alecu> Saviq: sure, I'll take a screenshot
[14:15] <cyphermox_> popey: why?
[14:15] <popey> cyphermox_: matv1 is on a network that uses those auth methods and can't get online.
[14:15] <cyphermox_> on touch?
[14:15] <popey> yrs
[14:16] <cyphermox_> it does work, I have used it :)
[14:16] <cyphermox_> eduroam, specifically
[14:16] <popey> whats the magic?
[14:16] <cyphermox_> matv1: you'll probably want to copy your configuration file from your desktop onto the phone
[14:16] <cyphermox_> matv1: but you will need to remove the mac-address line
[14:16] <matv1> cyphermox_ that didnt do it for me
[14:16] <cyphermox_> matv1: and replace password-flags=1 with password=<your password>
[14:17] <cyphermox_> then make sure the file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/  for your connection is permissions 600, and touch it again just to be safe
[14:17] <cyphermox_> ie. to make sure NM has an updated timestamp to see the file has changed
[14:18] <matv1> cyphermox_ I see. I didnt do that last bit. i mean the permissions
[14:19] <cyphermox_> that's critical, otherwise NM refuses to read the file
[14:19] <matv1> cyphermox_  yes appearently
[14:20] <cyphermox_> make sure the password piece is there too, usually it's not saved in the file
[14:20] <cyphermox_> unity8 won't be able to prompt you for it, since we're not setup for supporting wpa enterprise just yet
[14:20] <matv1> cyphermox_  you mean the password edited into the network connection file?
[14:22] <matv1> cyphermox_ and removing the mac address will suffice? i dont have to manualy set it to the phones mac?
[14:22] <satoris> ogra_: reflashing with --password worked, thanks.
[14:23] <charles> dednick, ?
[14:26] <ogra_> sigh ... so dropping the mtp stuff gets me the emulator safely across ~3 reboots ... then it fails again
[14:26] <dednick> alecu: not exactly sure what's happening there...
[14:26] <dednick> charles: hm?
[14:27] <charles> [08:19:43] <dednick> charles: hey. so it looks like something that changed lately caused this problem with indicator-datetime. I was doing some testing and accidentily built an older version of the indicator on the phone and it was working ok
[14:28] <dednick> charles: ya.
[14:28] <alecu> dednick: what's shown in the video is an app that we are running inside a trusted prompt.
[14:28] <alecu> dednick: the OptionSelectors are shown fine for apps run from the click scope
[14:29] <charles> dednick, is this the time-being-off-bug?
[14:29] <dednick> alecu: is the left the correct way, and the right the bad?
[14:29] <dednick> charles: yes
[14:29] <charles> dednick, what's the behavior you're seeing in datetime now?
[14:30] <dednick> charles: the old version i built was working fine (updating all the time), but the trunk version was not updating.
[14:30] <alecu> dednick: but when being used by the app in the trusted prompt, they don't look right (missing chevron and checkmark), and also at some point the background starts being transparent after an optionselector is updated
[14:30] <alecu> dednick: no, both videos show wrong behaviour
[14:30] <alecu> dednick: I can do a video of the right behaviour of those combos if needed
[14:30] <alecu> dednick: the very weird thing is that for apps started normally, the combo looks right
[14:31] <alecu> dednick: and this problems only happen inside a trusted prompt
[14:31] <dednick> alecu: yeah, sorry, i've never actually seen the payments ui's before, so don't really know what i'm looking for. But it does look a bit funky
[14:31] <alecu> dednick: ok, I'll try to come up with screenshots and a bug to better explain this
[14:32] <alecu> dednick: I just wanted to ping both you and the toolkit guys to know if OptionSelector is doing things in a different way that may affect the trusted prompts.
[14:32] <dednick> alecu: ok. thanks
[14:32] <alecu> like, say, off-screen rendering or something.
[14:33] <dednick> charles: sorry, i'm doing 17 things at the same time right now. :) might not be coherent!
[14:33] <charles> dednick, :-)
[14:33] <charles> dednick, that's fair, ping me back when you're not swapped out please :)
[14:34] <dednick> charles: yup. will do.
[15:32] <popey> ahayzen: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/12/%23ubuntu-touch.html#t14:12 see conversation about wireless eduroam
[15:40] <Laney> oh noes
[15:41] <ogra_> Laney, ?
[15:44] <popey> cyphermox_: is there anything we can do about the problem where nm always connects to the first AP it knew about, not the strongest?
[15:44] <Laney> ogra_: I think the adb disabling happened while I was away and I never looked up how you get it back. :)
[15:44] <popey> also, it lies about the signal
[15:44] <ogra_> Laney, you need a password set, then you can toggle dev mode from the UI
[15:45] <ogra_> Laney, or you flash with u-d-f --developer-mode --password=0000 (or so)
[15:45] <Laney> passwords, whatever next?
[15:45] <Laney> :p
[15:45] <ogra_> to have it running from the start of a new flash
[15:45] <Laney> lemme try this
[15:46] <Laney> worked, but unknown job ssh!
[15:46] <Laney> you guys!
[15:46] <ogra_> in teh terminal app: android-gadget-service enable ssh
[15:48] <Laney> haha
[15:48] <Laney> everything's new
[15:48] <Laney> i like the terminal's look
[15:48] <popey> (you can turn that off if you get tired of it, of course)
[15:48] <ogra_> heh
[15:48] <ogra_> only on mako though
[15:48] <popey> Elleo even made a VT100 style keyboard
[15:48] <popey> eh?
[15:49] <Laney> android-gadget-service doesn't put an upstart job back?
[15:49] <ogra_> popey, oooh
[15:49] <Laney> or is it because adb shell isn't giving me root or something?
[15:49] <popey> yeah!
[15:49] <popey> ☻
[15:49]  * ogra_ takes back everything
[15:49] <popey> \o/
[15:49] <popey> That was fixed for _you_ and you alone ㋛
[15:50] <Laney> hmm
[15:50] <popey> I'm surprised how well the browser does 2d graphics now... http://popey.com/~alan/sb  that works really well.
[15:50] <Laney> sliders keep sliding when I'm trying to scroll
[15:51] <davmor2> popey: man I miss the pink terminal it used to wake me up ;)
[15:51] <bzoltan> popey: I woud be happy to have a UI in the Settings to choose frequency and AP for a wlan
[15:53] <Laney> hmm
[15:53] <Laney> now I can't wake the display up
[15:54] <ogra_> displays are overrated, are you a developer or what
[15:54] <ogra_> :)
[15:55] <Laney> i'm trying to develop the settings ui :P
[16:13] <Chipaca> tedg: you around?
[16:14] <cyphermox_> popey: no, if it knows about an AP it will use the one it knows about... it won't use something you haven't configured
[16:15] <popey> cyphermox_: i have two access points with different names. it always connects to the first one it ever knew about, which happens to be the farthest one from my desk
[16:16] <popey> cyphermox_: every boot, I have to switch to a different AP, it never goes for the strong one, always the first one it ever knew
[16:18] <cyphermox_> it's connecting to the last one it was connected to in that case
[16:18] <cyphermox_> or it's actually a higher signal
[16:18] <tedg> Chipaca, Yes
[16:18] <cyphermox_> maybe it shows up first in scan results when you boot
[16:18] <Chipaca> tedg: hiya. you know untrusted helpers? and their cute little logfiles?
[16:20] <tedg> Chipaca, Yes, I've heard of them.
[16:20] <Chipaca> tedg: i'm trying to reconcile untrusted helpers having logfiles that are all different, and logrotate not rotating them because hey, they're all different
[16:20] <Chipaca> tedg: thought maybe you'd have ideas :)
[16:20] <tedg> Chipaca, I've got an MR for that: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-app-launch/logrotate-faster
[16:21] <Chipaca> oooh!
[16:21] <tedg> Chipaca, ogra_ already beat you to requesting it :-)
[16:21] <Chipaca> that's some fancy rotating :-p
[16:23]  * Chipaca assigns his kanban card to tedg
[16:43] <kenvandine> Chipaca, can you set the commit message on your push-helper-to-spec branch?
[16:43] <Chipaca> *gasp*
[16:43] <Chipaca> kenvandine: I can.
[16:43] <kenvandine> i could just use the description, but it might be too verbose for a commit
[16:43] <kenvandine> but i don't really care much :)
[16:44] <Chipaca> kenvandine: done
[16:44] <Chipaca> kenvandine: does this mean that that mp is landing?
[16:45] <kenvandine> just testing now
[16:45] <kenvandine> then i'll add a silo for it
[16:45] <Chipaca> neat
[16:45] <Chipaca> ogra_: davmor2: note that when that mp lands, you won't see the notification of a new image until it's downloaded unless you turn off auto downloads
[16:52] <davmor2> Chipaca: why?
[16:52] <Chipaca> davmor2: because wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Prompting
[16:55] <kenvandine> Chipaca, doesn't seem to be triggering anything
[16:55] <kenvandine> gdbus call -e -d com.ubuntu.Postal -o /com/ubuntu/Postal/_ -m com.ubuntu.Postal.Post _ubuntu-system-settings '"null"'
[16:55] <kenvandine> and i get notta
[16:56] <kenvandine> and there is an update
[16:56] <Chipaca> kenvandine: you did the gdbus and you immediately got the notification?
[16:56] <kenvandine> no notification at all
[16:57] <kenvandine> and no check for download, according to the system-image-dbus client.log
[16:57] <Chipaca> kenvandine: could you share that and the push client log?
[16:57] <kenvandine> do i need to restart ubuntu-push-client
[16:58] <Chipaca> kenvandine: nope
[16:58] <kenvandine> phablet  25626  0.0  0.4  26440  8040 ?        Ssl  12:47   0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/ubuntu-push-client/legacy-helpers/ubuntu-system-settings /home/phablet/.cache/push-helper051337547 /home/phablet/.cache/push-helper349037102
[16:58] <kenvandine> does that show multiple helpers?
[16:58] <Chipaca> kenvandine: is that running right now?
[16:58] <Chipaca> kenvandine: then it's waiting for the download
[16:58] <kenvandine> yes
[17:00] <kenvandine> Chipaca,  i think i had angered it... because i had a download started in uss that i stopped
[17:00] <kenvandine> Chipaca, so killing the helper there made it fire the download
[17:00] <Chipaca> ah... a paused download?
[17:01] <Chipaca> wait you lost me
[17:01] <kenvandine> Chipaca, but... i got 5 notifications
[17:01] <kenvandine> i had gone into settings to enable auto download, but my device still had a broken version that auto downloaded when it was set to never :)
[17:01] <kenvandine> so it had started a download
[17:01] <kenvandine> which i quickly paused so i could change the setting without it prompting me
[17:02] <kenvandine> then i quit settings and tried it with gdbus
[17:02] <kenvandine> and nothing happened
[17:02] <kenvandine> once i killed the helper process
[17:02] <kenvandine> it triggered the download
[17:02] <kenvandine> then gave me 5 notifications
[17:03] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i probably ran the gdbus call 5 times :)
[17:04] <kenvandine> Chipaca, with your branch though, i should have only gotten one notification right?
[17:05] <Chipaca> kenvandine: yes, that is the intent
[17:05] <Chipaca> kenvandine: but there is a bit of a race
[17:05] <Chipaca> kenvandine: can you try a gdbus call again?
[17:05] <kenvandine> so if i ran the gdbus command several times it shouldn't do this?
[17:05] <kenvandine> sure
[17:06] <Chipaca> kenvandine: if you do them sequentially it shouldn't, but if you are running several at the same time some weirdness might happen
[17:06] <kenvandine> ok, running it again it cleared them and gave me one
[17:07] <kenvandine> Chipaca, but confirmed... if i run 4 in a row... i get 4 notifications :)
[17:07] <matv1> cyphermox_ thanks for the tips on connecting to peap / mschapv2 That worked like a charm!
[17:07] <kenvandine> ok, that's a corner case from the push service
[17:07] <Chipaca> kenvandine: postal, actually
[17:08] <elopio> mterry: do you have a bug to track the progress of the new security page designs?
[17:09] <matv1> cyphermox_ is there anything on the cards regarding UI for that as far as you know?
[17:12] <kenvandine> Chipaca, in silo 10
[17:14] <kenvandine> Chipaca, is there a test plan that would cover this?  should it be in the uss test plan?
[17:15] <Chipaca> kenvandine: i don't know
[17:15] <Chipaca> kenvandine: i mean, it's covered by unit tests, i don't know the integration tests
[17:16] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i just want to make sure QA knows what to test when they verify it for rtm
[17:17] <kenvandine> Chipaca, i added a link to the MP comment that explained how to test
[17:17] <kenvandine> thx
[17:17] <Chipaca> kenvandine: thank you!
[17:17] <kenvandine> np :)
[17:36] <cyphermox_> matv1: no
[17:43] <matv1> cyphermox_ ok. popey had a bug filed for this about a year ago. I will update it with what i did today so its clear whats needed on the back end and probably file a new one as a feature request  to hopefully get the UI ball rolling
[17:45] <mardy> tedg: I don't understand that error... I don't think we are ever opening any URL from OA...
[17:48] <tedg> mardy, Hmm, it's coming from your PID.
[17:48] <tedg> mardy, URL dispatcher is getting the field BadURL from the pid.
[17:49] <tedg> mardy, So application:///unconfined.desktop
[17:51] <cyphermox_> matv1: great, thanks!
[17:58] <matv1> popey I updated your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1241986
[18:00] <matv1> i dont actualy  know if that is sufficient to close that and start a new one for the UI or just continue on yours
[18:12] <nik90> sergiusens: hey quick question,
[18:12] <nik90> sergiusens: (again :P)
[18:12] <nik90> sergiusens: In the clock app cmakelist, you added,
[18:12] <nik90> if(NOT CLICK_MODE)
[18:12] <nik90>   add_subdirectory(autopilot)
[18:12] <nik90> endif(NOT CLICK_MODE)
[18:12] <nik90> sergiusens: Why? Is it to not show the autopilot folder in qtc in non-click mode?
[18:13] <nik90> sergiusens: since the AP files are not included in the click package (as expected) regardless of whether the add_subdirectory(autopilot) is called or not.
[18:13] <nik90> sergiusens: this was a question that came up in https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-clock-app/xvfb_and_qml_tests/+merge/234421
[18:13] <sergiusens> nik90: it's not not install the autopilot tests into the staging install dir prior to running 'click build'
[18:14] <nik90> sergiusens: ah, so it essentially speeds up click build then
[18:15] <sergiusens> nik90: are you removing them in some hacky way after this?
[18:16] <nik90> sergiusens: no no...elopio changed it in the cmake file which made me curious as to why we needed it
[18:16] <sergiusens> nik90: anyways, the objective is to not have the tests in the click; the hows really don't matter
[18:17] <sergiusens> nik90: oh, units doesn't have an install directive from a quick glance
[18:17] <nik90> sergiusens: yup
[18:18] <nik90> sergiusens: so since we don't install anything, it shouldn't matter if add the subdirectory in cmake
[18:18] <nik90> and it won't make it into the click package
[18:18] <sergiusens> nik90: anyways, that mp is kind of hard to review
[18:19] <sergiusens> nik90: I'd recommend two, one with the whitespace removal and another with the actual changes
[18:19] <nik90> whitespace removal?
[18:19] <nik90> in the MP?
[18:19] <sergiusens> nik90: to make pin pointing easier when issues arise ;-)
[18:19] <sergiusens> nik90: line 44-51 and 58,59 have no apparent change other than whitespace
[18:20] <nik90> sergiusens: ah that...I think it was accidental
[18:20] <nik90> sergiusens: wasn't intended
[18:20] <sergiusens> nik90: same as 29-36
[18:20] <nik90> elopio: do you mind reverting those whitespaces removal stuff since it makes it a bit harder to review :)
[18:21] <nik90> sergiusens: yup I will get on that
[18:21] <elopio> nik90: on it. my emacs is configured to remove whitespaces. Generally it doesn't find that many ;)
[18:21] <nik90> lool
[18:21] <sergiusens> elopio: make it two commits
[18:21] <sergiusens> or two mps
[18:21] <nik90> lool: sry, I meant lol
[18:21] <elopio> sergiusens: yes, in a moment.
[18:21] <sergiusens> elopio: it would make dissecting it easier in the future
[18:22] <sergiusens> elopio: I have that configured as well ;-)
[18:22] <nik90> elopio: sounds like the moment you open it in your emacs, you commit first before proceeding :)
[18:22] <sergiusens> nik90: it would be nice to have bzr hooks to prevent this :-)
[18:22] <sergiusens> I mean, prevent it happening in the first place (the whitespaces)
[18:22] <nik90> sergiusens: in the .bzrignore?
[18:23] <nik90> sergiusens: yup I tend to look at my code diff and wonder what the hell I changed amongst the whitespace removals
[18:23] <nik90> sergiusens: this is why everyone should edit it using qtc :D
[18:30] <mterry> elopio, bug 1348362 has some of it
[18:30] <mterry> elopio, but the engineering side of that is marked done because we did the initial implementation, not the final one
[18:31] <elopio> thanks mterry. This is an RTM blocker, right?
[18:32] <mterry> elopio, probably?  I wouldn't like to ship with what we have
[18:32] <cwayne> artmello: ping -- any update on being able to launch gallery-app to a specific photo?
[18:32] <elopio> mterry: I wouldn't like that either :) I'll tell jfunk to add it to the readiness criteria.
[18:34] <artmello> cwayne: sorry, was working on some critical bugs, but will work on that on this week
[18:49] <pdxwebdev> I'm very new to the ubuntu touch ecosystem. I'm wondering about how to generate images which can be consumed by ubuntu-device-flash
[18:53] <pdxwebdev> When I make code edits, do I build the image using the instructions found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Building_the_image? ubuntu-device-flash asks for a channel to choose which images to flash. Do I edit the code in the channel?
[18:55] <pdxwebdev> I feel like I'm stuck at a point in a video game and there's no Nintendo Power Magazine.
[19:37] <dobey> pdxwebdev: ubuntu-device-flash pulls images from a system-image server to flash
[19:37] <dobey> pdxwebdev: what are you making code changes to? are you porting to a new device?
[19:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, are you around?
[19:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, if you have a few, could you give me a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi_cleanup/+merge/233993
[19:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, i'd like to include that in the same landing as your other 2
[19:56] <kenvandine> jgdx: grr... actually that would prereq on 2 branches... let me land the others first
[20:02] <pdxwebdev> dobey: I want to make code changes to the user profile setup workflow, I'm just using a Nexus 4.
[20:06] <pdxwebdev> dobey: I followed the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building and it hangs on the google logo. So I'm assuming something with my images are wrong.
[20:07] <ogra_> pdxwebdev, the images are built from ubuntu packages from the archive
[20:08] <ogra_> just install a recent image on your nexus, make it writable ... pull the package source, make your changes and install the package for testing
[20:08] <ogra_> its not much different than a desktop ubuntu
[20:08] <dobey> right
[20:08] <ogra_> for the user setup process you would want the ubuntu-system-settings package
[20:09] <kenvandine> jgdx: ok, in case you do a drive by... i resubmitted it https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-cleanup/+merge/234541
[20:09] <dobey> unless you're making changes to a core bit of android stuff you probably don't need to rebuild a custom image to test it
[20:09] <ogra_> yeah, never
[20:09] <pdxwebdev> ahhhh
[20:09] <pdxwebdev> I see
[20:12] <pdxwebdev> dobey, ogra_:Ok, again, I'm really new to this environmentment, so when you say "make it writable, pull the package source, make your changes and install the package for testing". I understand the workflow, but is there a guide to help me with actual commands?
[20:12] <pdxwebdev> I know about $ apt-get source <package>
[20:13] <ogra_> yeah, thats what you would use
[20:13] <ogra_> and apt-get build-dep <package>
[20:13] <ogra_> (for the build dependencies)
[20:13] <dobey> system-settings is going to be difficult to work with though
[20:14] <dobey> because, iiuc, it isn't cross-compilable, and you can't build it on a nexus4 because installing all the deps takes up all the storage space
[20:14] <ogra_> with ccache and nothing else on the device its okayis
[20:14] <dobey> well, all the space on /
[20:14] <ogra_> *okayish
[20:15] <kenvandine> i rely on CI to get armhf builds
[20:15] <kenvandine> so annoying..
[20:15] <ogra_> no spare mako ?
[20:15] <kenvandine> not a spare, i hate having all that stuff installed on my daily driver :)
[20:16] <ogra_> yeah, thats messy
[20:16] <ogra_> i have a mako with cracked screen
[20:16] <ogra_> perfect env device ;)
[20:16] <ogra_> err
[20:16] <ogra_> s/env/dev/
[20:17] <kenvandine> i have a 2012 nexus7 with a cracked screen
[20:17] <kenvandine> i used that for builds for a while
[20:17] <kenvandine> but i can't get an install on it anymore :/
[20:17] <ogra_> use an old one ... and a chroot
[20:17] <kenvandine> that's a good idea
[20:17] <kenvandine> are they still published ?
[20:18] <ogra_> with chroots you also get around the limited space prob ;)
[20:18] <ogra_> there are trusty ones iirc
[20:18] <ogra_> that should be enough ...
[20:18] <pdxwebdev> ok, so installing the package for testing. Is that another apt-get command I run?
[20:18] <ogra_> you would first need to build it
[20:19] <pdxwebdev> Ok, those are great hints. I'll take to google for next steps. Thank you.
[20:23] <ogra_> to make the image writable you want the phablet-tools package from the phablet-team PPA installed ... and call "phablet-config writable-image", note though that you cant upgrade the image anymore after making it writable
[20:25] <pdxwebdev> Do you also use phablet tools to reinstall packages?
[20:25] <ogra_> once the image is writable you just use adb
[20:25] <dobey> kenvandine: i guess you could just install an armhf build of ubuntu server on it
[20:25] <ogra_> err
[20:25] <ogra_> apt
[20:26] <dobey> ogra_: dpkg. apt doesn't isntall local packages does it? :)
[20:26] <cyphermox_> mzanetti: did you do any progress on the scope thing?
[20:26] <mzanetti> cyphermox_: no
[20:26] <ogra_> dobey, nope, but to get packages from the archive :)
[20:26] <dobey> ah sure
[20:26] <cyphermox_> mzanetti: I do; I have a very small program that appears to show the issue on my desktop
[20:27] <dobey> but you need to install phablet-tools on your PC, not on the phone :)
[20:27] <ogra_> yeah
[20:27] <cyphermox_> just need to transfer it and run it on the phone now and see what happens on wifi -> 3g transition
[20:27] <ogra_> i guess we need some wikipage for such stuff :)
[20:27] <dobey> perhaps
[20:31] <pdxwebdev> So make the image writable, modify the code, build the package, copy the package to the phone, use apt or dpkg to install the package?
[20:31] <ogra_> no, you would do all this on the phone
[20:32] <ogra_> you make it writable from your PC and work on it via USB or ssh
[20:32] <pdxwebdev> ahhhh...
[20:32]  * SturmFlut dreams of the day when he can actually read his copy of the Linux Voice Magazine on Ubuntu Touch
[20:33] <ogra_> SturmFlut, dont you have it as pdf ?
[20:35] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Yes, but where's the viewer? PdfjsViewer from the store is *way* too slow for this kind of publication. I can see how the individual elements are rendered one after the other. At a speed of one element per second. (Nexus 7)
[20:35] <ogra_> is that a 2012 N7 ?
[20:35] <SturmFlut> ogra_: 2013
[20:35] <ogra_> wow
[20:36] <ogra_> pdfjsviewer is pretty ok on my mako
[20:37] <ogra_> i just opened a ~650 page book in it here ... feels okay ..
[20:37] <ogra_> but indeed it hasnt many pictures
[20:37] <SturmFlut> ogra_: The Linux Voice PDFs are especially demanding. Lots of vector art.
[20:38] <stgraber> ogra_: usually the js pdf stuff works fine with text, even very long text. The problem is if you open something like a massive schema with a lot of vectors to render, that's usually enough to freeze my laptop and that's a pretty decent i7 :)
[20:38] <stgraber> whereas evince loads those instantly
[20:38] <ogra_> well, we have poppler on the image and iirc also as part of the framework ... and there was also early code of a docviewer app that was supposed to use it
[20:39] <SturmFlut> Let's go for overkill: "An Introduction to Programming in FORTRAN90", a PDF 410 megabytes in size
[20:39] <ogra_> lol
[20:40] <nik90> elopio, sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-clock-app/xvfb_and_qml_tests/+merge/234529 looks much better
[20:40] <elopio> nik90: it's still not finding the tests when building the deb package.
[20:41] <nik90> elopio: that's good?
[20:41] <nik90> elopio: not a question..that's good ;)
[20:41] <stgraber> ogra_: try: http://www.stm.info/sites/default/files/pdf/fr/plan_reseau.pdf :)
[20:41] <nik90> elopio: as in the tests shouldn't be included in the deb and click package?
[20:42] <stgraber> ogra_: that's a single page pretty light pdf which is complex enough to get firefox to show me the hung javascript message on a beefy i7 :)
[20:42] <SturmFlut> ogra_: A port of KDE's okular would be nice, but it probably has way too many dependencies
[20:43] <sergiusens> nik90: elopio in the cmake call in debian rules add -DWITH_TESTS=on (or whatever the param names was called)
[20:43] <sergiusens> I'm guessing you have an autopilot binary deb
[20:43] <nik90> sergiusens: yup
[20:44] <nik90> we have an clock-app-autopilot deb separate
[20:44] <nik90> sergiusens: our debian rules is https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/debian/rules atm
[20:46] <elopio> nik90: it's good that the test files are not on the deb, but it's not good that they are not being run when the deb is built.
[20:46] <elopio> sergiusens: I will try that.
[20:46] <nik90> elopio: ah ok..understood
[20:46] <ogra_> stgraber, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/plan_reseau.png
[20:46] <ogra_> stgraber, took about a minute to render though
[20:47] <ogra_> it even manages zooming in and out ...
[20:48] <ogra_> just takes a while to re-draw the world afterwards :)
[20:51] <ogra_> ah, well, 300% zooming finally killed the app
[21:09] <stgraber> ogra_: haha, yeah, it gets trickier as you try to zoom in :)
[21:09] <ogra_> well, but i'm impressed
[21:10] <ogra_> it worked
[21:10]  * ogra_ wouldnt have expected that
[21:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Officially Announced!!! Ubuntu Touch coming to MX4!!!
[21:13] <ogra_> :)
[21:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> this december
[22:51] <Chipaca> tedg: the system settings push helper does not run confined


[06:51] <franz_neptunus> cjwatson, we encountered an oem-config issue, please watch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1552621
[08:46] <cjwatson> franz_neptunus: I don't work on this routinely any more
[08:49] <franz_neptunus> cjwatson, could you tell me whom I can ask for help? thanks!
[08:51] <cjwatson> franz_neptunus: try cyphermox
[08:54] <franz_neptunus> cyphermox, We found issue on oem-config, please have a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1552621


[14:35] <hazmat> charmworld getting rebooted, due to ec2 scheduled downtime, back in a few
[14:46] <imbrandon> oh noes!! heh j/k
[16:06]  * m_3 primus on the brain... hoodlyhoodly bass
[16:06] <hazmat> and its back
[16:09] <m_3> yup... totally screwed my system yesterday grabbing something out of a really old backup... as root :(
[16:09]  * m_3 palms forehead
[16:19] <imbrandon> ouch
[16:48] <negronjl> jcastro: ping
[16:49] <negronjl> hazmat: ping
[16:49] <negronjl> m_3: do you know the maas password for the maas/openstack/juju setup ?
[16:53] <hazmat> negronjl, pong
[16:54] <negronjl> hazmat: I'm working with the hardware setup for MaaS and was wondering if you know the password for the admin user
[16:55] <negronjl> hazmat: I have tried a few but, I'm sutck
[16:55] <negronjl> s/sutck/stuck
[16:55] <hazmat> negronjl, let me grep the src
[16:55] <negronjl> hazmat: thx
[16:55] <hazmat> negronjl, have you done a createadmin script?
[16:56] <hazmat> negronjl, it looks like that setups the password
[16:56] <negronjl> hazmat: no ... the setup should already have one and I don't know what will happen if I make another one
[16:57] <hazmat> negronjl, if your using the sample data..  its admin/test
[16:57] <negronjl> hazmat ... I'll check ... brb
[16:58] <negronjl> hazmat: aha !!!  thx.
[16:58] <hazmat> negronjl, np
[17:32] <negronjl> hazmat: do you happen to know the password for the ubuntu user on the laptop that is serving as the maas server ?
[17:38] <hazmat> negronjl, oh.. you mean the 8box demo cluster?
[17:38] <negronjl> hazmat: I have 9 HP box cluster here ( I think 8 live and 1 spare ) and a Dell laptop that is acting as the server.
[17:38] <hazmat> negronjl, no.. robbiew, daviey, adamg, francis would know better
[17:39] <negronjl> hazmat: Cool ... I am talking to Daviey as well.
[17:39] <negronjl> hazmat: thx for your help though :)
[19:04] <_mup_> txzookeeper/errors-with-path r46 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:04] <_mup_> merge trunk
[22:19] <SpamapS> m_3: thanks for trying on the jjj release. You only messed one thing up. odd is "dev", even is "release"
[22:19] <SpamapS> m_3: so you should have released 0.12, and bumped to 0.13
[22:34] <m_3> SpamapS: gotcha
[23:18] <lifeless> so, is there any way to run juju locally without getting new network services (apt-cacher-ng + zookeeper) installed ?
[23:18] <lifeless> or do I need to run a kvm instance, and run juju within that ?
[23:34] <m_3> lifeless: be careful with the latter option... you can do it, but juju's lxc uses(needs) libvirt's default <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network
[23:36] <m_3> lifeless: that works though (we run local provider juju environments _within_ ec2 instances all the time for testing)
[23:37] <m_3> don't know about passing new zk/apt-cache addresses into the local provider though... never tried.  I'd imagine it's pretty hard-coded to localhost though
[23:42] <lifeless> so, what I'd really like is to be able to shove juju into an lxc and give it a single callback to a <IP_ADDRESS> only service to fire up more lxc's
[23:42] <lifeless> that would let me run multiple juju environments
[23:43] <lifeless> as it is, I'm looking at jorge's howto for juju with lxc and wondering why-bother
[23:44] <lifeless> (not why bothwe with juju, why bother with that setup; its very constrained and inflexible, and has overhead (via zk and apt-cacher-ng whether I'm using it or not)
[23:46] <m_3> lifeless: like juju local provider with a bootstrapped bootstrap node that houses zk
[23:46] <lifeless> right
[23:46] <m_3> lifeless: kvm on a non-default libvirt network would do that right now
[23:48] <m_3> lifeless: but yeah, I like your idea better... a safer sandbox for lxc.  that wouldn't add extra deps to the base machine.  maybe file a bug?
[23:48] <m_3> lifeless: it's closer to how we use the bootstrap node in other providers (ec2) too
[23:49] <lifeless> what lp projct
[23:50] <lifeless> juju? juju core? juju-ng ?
[23:50] <lifeless>  :P
[23:50] <lifeless> m_3: ^
[23:50] <m_3> lifeless: also beware of juju local provider's startup scripts too... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1006553
[23:50] <_mup_> Bug #1006553: Juju uses 100% CPU after host reboot <juju:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006553 >
[23:50] <m_3> lp:juju itself
[23:52] <m_3> your fix would help box some of those issues too
[23:52] <lifeless> hah, so thats exactly the sort of thing I was worried about happening back when the lxc provider was first discussed.
[23:52]  * lifeless buffs his fingers on his chest
[23:52] <m_3> yup
[23:52] <m_3> :)
[23:52] <m_3> there's lots we can do to clean up the local provider
[23:55] <lifeless> something to be aware of
[23:55] <lifeless> some libvirt configs bridge onto the LAN
[23:56] <m_3> right... I've got one that does
[23:56] <lifeless> I do that with my non-laptop libvirts, because that lets me access the resulting instances directly and trivially.
[23:56] <m_3> grabbing the default is... um... not ideal
[23:57] <m_3> I think the answer may be to create a dedicated one on install... there's a bug for that (also using lxcbr not virbr, but that's another bug)
[23:58] <m_3> it's incompatible enough with most of my libvirt setups that I created lp:charms/juju
[23:59] <lifeless> m_3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1014435
[23:59] <_mup_> Bug #1014435: lxc local provider sandboxing could be more complete <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1014435 >
[23:59] <lifeless> for your editing pleasure
[23:59] <_mup_> Bug #1014435 was filed: lxc local provider sandboxing could be more complete <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1014435 >


[18:38] <lotus|bugbox> todays daily desk: http://imgur.com/a/jbggc
[18:52] <lotus|bugbox> gnome working like a charm
[22:50] <habanany> I installed ArtfulAardvark in my dell e1405 and I can't connect to wifi, can anyone help ? Thanks
[22:51] <habanany> I'm on dual boot  ^^
[22:53] <habanany> I can connect to wifi using the live USB But not with the fresh installed on hardrive


[04:01] <Burgundavia> http://richmegginson.livejournal.com/4768.html
[04:01] <Burgundavia> life is good
[06:16] <nkassi_> What does he mean by discrete packaging ? They broke it up in pieces finally ?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> nkassi__: seperation of the non-free java stuff from the actual server
[07:37] <nkassi> Interesting. Can it function without it ? How does that work out ?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:38] <Burgundavia> the java stuff is just a web admin panel
[07:38] <nkassi> ah nice
[02:54] <SimonAnibal> Wow
[02:55] <SimonAnibal> http://www.tangent.com/news/hecc2006/ <- A conference I'm going to
[08:42] <whiprush> Burgwork: around?
[08:43] <Burgwork> whiprush: nevetr
[08:43] <whiprush> heh
[08:43] <whiprush> hey, so what would be a feasable way to do this:
[08:44] <whiprush> move the current easyldapserver to something like easyldapserverlongterm or something
[08:44] <ajmitch> hello Burgwork
[08:44] <whiprush> and then do easyldapfeisty
[08:44] <whiprush> Burgwork: just wanted to run that by you to see what you think
[08:44] <ajmitch> (wiki changes)
[08:44] <whiprush> because the current spec is huge
[08:44] <whiprush> and we want to narrow focus for feisty
[08:45] <Burgwork> whiprush: why just make an easyldapserverfeisty spec
[08:45] <whiprush> why not you mean right?
[08:45] <Burgwork> make the current spec informational
[08:45] <Burgwork> ie: it is information about what we want, not an implementation plan
[08:46] <pixelpapst> so if we manage to go with slapd 2.3, could the "-F slapd-config-directory" be turned on by default ?
[08:47] <pixelpapst> then we can play with the dynamic updating stuff whenever it comes up
[08:49] <pixelpapst> plus, as bonus: just drop packaged schema files into /etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config/cn=schema and they are picked up autumatically :-)
[08:50] <whiprush> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyLDAPServerFeisty
[08:50] <whiprush> ok
[08:50] <whiprush> here are the gobby notes
[09:22] <pixelpapst> not sure if somebody's still listening
[09:23] <pixelpapst> just now i tested the upgrade path from pre-2.3 slapd again
[09:23] <pixelpapst> with a moderately complex config file
[09:24] <pixelpapst> basic upgrade path to go from config-file to config-dir:
[09:24] <pixelpapst>   # sanity checks (config file present, dir not)
[09:25] <pixelpapst>     mkdir /etc/ldap/slapd.d/
[09:26] <pixelpapst>   slapcat -f /etc/ldap/slapd.conf -F /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ -b cn=config > /dev/null || die with error
[09:26] <pixelpapst>   mv /etc/ldap/slapd.conf /etc/ldap/slapd.oldconf
[09:28] <pixelpapst>   # replace converted standard schema files with canonical copy
[09:29] <pixelpapst>   # (optional)
[09:45] <Burgwork> whiprush: packaging for fds will get a lot easier with 1.1
[09:46] <whiprush> yeah aj was telling me
[09:46] <whiprush> Burgwork: I still have no idea how all this works, but I'm glad everyone else does
[09:46] <whiprush> heh
[09:46] <Burgwork> but if Sun opensources their Java under a good license
[09:46] <Burgwork> the issues go away, to a certain extent
[09:46] <Burgwork> still good to split the packages
[09:47] <pixelpapst> Burgwork: can you make an educated guess on when 1.1 will be released ?
[09:47] <pixelpapst> (too late for feisty, i know) :)
[09:47] <Burgwork> no idea
[09:47] <Burgwork> 1.0.4 just came about yesterday
[09:47] <Burgwork> likely too late for Feisty
[09:47] <pixelpapst> yeah, i saw
[09:48] <pixelpapst> talking about sun and java - appearantly they also want to have their own opensource directory server
[09:49] <pixelpapst> but not based on their old code, but a complete rewrite in java
[09:49] <Burgwork> who does?
[09:49] <pixelpapst> sun
[09:49] <Burgwork> that is crack, but meh
[09:49] <pixelpapst> ack
[09:49] <pixelpapst> vapourcrack :-)
[09:50] <Burgwork> anybody else here advertised on DW?
[09:51] <pixelpapst> DW ?
[09:51] <nkinder> pixelpapst, Burgwork:  We're hoping to get a fds 1.1 beta out by the end of the year.
[09:51] <Burgwork> distrowatch
[09:51] <Burgwork> nkinder: ok, you guys rock. Don't know if that will make Feisty though
[09:52] <nkinder> understood.
[09:53] <nkinder> How difficult would it to make an Ubuntu native package (it's a .deb, right?) of fds assuming the build-system and dependencies aren't a problem?
[09:54] <nkinder> We would definitely be interested in someone helping to do that.
[09:55] <pixelpapst> nkinder: if the build system really does play nice, not very
[09:56] <pixelpapst> but usually it doesn't (nowhere, not trying to bash you guys :-) )
[09:56] <nkinder> It should play nice (./configure; make install)
[09:56] <nkinder> I wrote a new build system.
[09:56] <pixelpapst> automake-based ?
[09:56] <nkinder> autoconf, automake, autoheader.
[09:56] <pixelpapst> yeah, i hate the whole lot of them :-)
[09:56] <nkinder> It's already checked in, but we're working on instance creation and a few layout things still.
[09:56] <pixelpapst> but thanks for putting work into that :-)
[09:57] <nkinder> Yeah, but they're better than our old system.
[09:57] <Burgwork> nkinder: the person who has done our packaging is ajmitch
[09:57] <Burgwork> both whiprush and myself are nothing more than admins
[09:57] <nkinder> ok.  When we finish polishing it, I'll talk with him.
[09:58] <Burgwork> the sooner you can get that working, the sooner it works for us
[09:58] <Burgwork> and the less work we have to put into openldap
[09:58] <pixelpapst> nkinder: ack, it's horrible on the developer and mostly nice on the packager :)
[09:59] <pixelpapst> Burgwork: damn, just as i start pushing my favourite openldap hacks ;-)
[10:00] <nkinder> Burgwork:  We hope to have it working by the end of next week.
[10:01] <nkinder> This is for the core directory only.  No admin server or java console.
[10:01] <pixelpapst> nkinder: you FDS guys ever been in contact with the Hula crowd ?
[10:01] <nkinder> We've been separating those into different optional packages.
[10:01] <nkinder> pixelpapst: Nope.
[10:01] <nkinder> I heard a rumor that Hula hasn't been getting much attention as of late.
[10:01] <Burgwork> nkinder: core is whwat re really care about
[10:01] <Burgwork> and your Hula rumour is somewhat correct
[10:02] <pixelpapst> as of late == in the last year or in the last month ?
[10:03] <nkinder> I haven't followed it,  That's just what I heard.
[10:03] <pixelpapst> the last year was quiet, because all the kewl stuff is happening on a branch
[10:04] <pixelpapst> which has AFAIK only been packaged for deb/ubuntu
[10:04] <pixelpapst> but there, the LDAP support now kicks ass
[10:04] <pixelpapst> alss a bit experimental, but still very pretty
[10:05] <pixelpapst> only i think they are concentrating pretty heavyly on openldap - even eDirectory gets less attention :)
[10:06] <pixelpapst> so i hope they get into bed with FDS soon ;-)
[10:07] <pixelpapst> btw its lunchbreak now in mountain view, right ?
[10:15] <nkinder> pixelpapst: nope.  I's 1:15 in MV.
[10:17] <pixelpapst> ack, just looked like that to me from the schedule
[10:18] <pixelpapst> anyhow, it's 6:18 am here
[10:18] <pixelpapst> so i'll head for bed
[10:18] <pixelpapst> even though i'm really in the mood to play with ldap some more :-)
[10:33] <pixelpapst> oki, appended a bit of info to the gobby document
[10:33] <pixelpapst> just the last 8 lines
[10:33] <pixelpapst> feel free to paste this into the wiki, otherwise i'll do so later
[10:34] <pixelpapst> gotta get some sleep first though :)
[10:35] <pixelpapst> later, and please enjoy the rest of the conf :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> nkinder: hi
[10:53] <nkinder> hey ajmitch
[10:55] <ajmitch> nkinder: I've been looking at FDS in cvs, I'm very glad to hear you'll have a beta out so soon
[10:57] <nkinder> ajmitch: great!  I'd like for us to test the new build-system a bit more and polish a few things with regards to our packaging layout.


[01:46] <aladamasceno> olá
[01:47] <aladamasceno> boa noite!
[01:57] <bazhang> !br
[01:58] <Unit193> Gone the same minute he said that.
[03:27] <xubuntu67w> Hey all. I'm using "Back in Time" to back up some folders. I have a usb flash drive plugged into my desktop. I'm going to leave the usb drive in there permanently and then backup to Back in Time every day. My question is: should I be unmounting the usb drive every time I turn the computer off (and then mounting it when I turn the computer on)? Or is it okay to leave it mounted when I turn the computer off?
[03:29] <xubuntu67w> Is anybody here?
[03:30] <xubuntu67w> Hmm.
[03:31] <xubuntu67w> Nobody, eh? (I guess everybody's computer is working great!)
[03:31] <xubuntu67w> Except mine. LOL
[03:32] <Unit193> On power off all mounted systems should be unmounted by the system, but unless you have something in fstab or somesuch it won't mount 'em.
[03:35] <xubuntu67w> Thanks Unit 193. My Xubuntu 15.04 does automatically mount the usb drives when they're inserted. Anyway, is it safe to leave the usb flash drive in there without unmounting it before I turn the computer off?
[03:38] <Unit193> As stated, yes the system usually unmounts on poweroff.  I was referring to the media being in there during powering on.
[03:40] <xubuntu67w> Well, if I'm planning on leaving the usb flash drive in there permanently it will be in there when I power on.
[03:44] <xubuntu67w> Thanks Unit193. Appreciate the help.
[05:32] <esph> knome: if you're still around, I was finally able to confirm that neither dist-upgrade nor logging in as a new user fixed the problems.
[05:33] <esph> At this point I'm just wishing there was a painless way to migrate to a different distro.  I just wait till the next release.
[06:11] <function9x> esph: i know
[06:12] <function9x> brb
[06:19] <esph> function9x: so were bunches of your icons changed to generic fallbacks? Did you have applets break? Can you see the minimize, maximize, and close buttons on windows?
[06:20] <esph> Are some of your windows randomly transparent?
[06:36] <esph> The "Software and Updates" utility is also really messed up. Nearly every part of the utility window is blank (stuff is there, it's just invisible)
[06:40] <function9x> esph: I use VMs, luckily I had an old backup with most things working well. So it was an easy replacement. But yeah just weird stuff, not sure if it's a kernel thang or what ever. This tends to happen to almost every distro I've used. Occasionally something gets passed through that is broken. This doesn't happen often just once in awhile.
[06:41] <esph> function9x: I'd be amazed if this had anything to do with the kernel
[06:42] <function9x> esph: yeah what ever it is, the more testers the  better, less of this stuff occurring. I'm thinking of joining the xubuntu testers
[06:51] <flocculant> function9x: we'll be more than happy to see someone do that :)
[06:56] <esph> flocculant: any idea what could lead to the problems I've mentioned?
[06:59] <flocculant> esph: try running it from a terminal - see if that gives a clue, I'll have a quick look - but off to work very shortly, command is software-properties-gtk
[07:00] <flocculant> function9x: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ :)
[07:02] <esph> flocculant: the problem with "Software and Updates" was just the last discovered of many problems the system is having, but I'll try it.
[07:02] <flocculant> not been in channel so don't know
[07:07] <esph> flocculant: looks to me like you joined before I did, but anyway, here's some error output: http://sprunge.us/debF
[07:08] <flocculant> mmm - well there's something up there ;)
[07:09] <flocculant> have you tried changing themes to something other than greybird, also logout and try with Other user see if you see the same
[07:10] <flocculant> afraid I've run out of time though
[07:11] <esph> flocculant: a new user didn't fix the problems
[07:11] <flocculant> ok
[07:11] <esph> I'd really like to know some way to get Software Updater or apt-get to fix the mess they made
[07:11] <esph> But they don't seem to think there are any problems :/
[07:12] <flocculant> there probably isn't an issue with those things - but with the themes
[07:12] <flocculant> just quikcly what is this install - clean, upgraded from to?
[07:13] <esph> flocculant: some of the applets also don't work, and some windows are randomly transparent, among other things
[07:13] <esph> flocculant: this happened after a routine Software Updater update (one of the ones it prompts you to do) in 14.04
[07:14] <esph> (trusty)
[07:15] <flocculant> esph: so I assume you have the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - install from there the previous version(s) and see if it fixes it
[07:15] <flocculant> but - I really gtg now - sorry
[07:15] <esph> flocculant: versions of which things exactly though? (sorry)
[07:16] <flocculant> whatever you updated to cause the problem to show up
[07:16] <esph> ugh
[07:16] <esph> who knows what that was
[07:17] <flocculant> /var/log/apt/
[07:17] <Unit193> Check  apt list | grep installed,loc  what's missing from the xubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-core tasks, or perhaps debsums.
[07:17] <esph> Yeah, I know there are logs of what updated, but I also know it was a whole bunch of things
[07:20] <esph> Unit193: could you extrapolate on "loc  what's missing from the xubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-core tasks, or perhaps debsums"? Thanks.
[07:23] <Unit193> `apt list | grep installed,loc` = what's installed but not from any repo; xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-core are tasks, you can check with `apt-get install xubuntu-core^` and see what it'd install; 'debsums' is a package that checks files against the hashes provided in the package, and will run on all packages if you don't provide a name, eg `debsums -ac`.
[07:23] <Unit193> So, system files that have been modified (not all files in /etc/, but still.)
[07:24] <esph> Ah, that comma threw me off in the first command. Didn't realize grep doesn't need escapes for comma
[07:34] <esph> Unit193: Local packages: http://sprunge.us/AKPW (the second one was expected)
[07:35] <esph> Unit193: debsums is taking a while, and definitely reporting stuff that wasn't directly user-modified. How can fix the stuff it reports?
[07:37] <esph> How can I*
[07:38] <Unit193> First one you can get from the videolan repo.  Can I see that second list?
[07:39] <Unit193> I don't really think this should be the problem either, but something might stand out.
[07:42] <esph> Unit193: Sorry, it just took a while to finish: http://sprunge.us/VeKL
[07:42]  * Unit193 raises eyebrows.
[07:43] <esph> Like I said, there's stuff that's not user-modified in there
[07:43] <Unit193> The heck is going on there?
[07:44] <esph> Several packages affected, it seems
[07:44] <Unit193> I was not expecting that.  So, for anything not in /etc/, you can usually just  apt-get --reinstall install $package, otherwise, you'd have to either rm the file first, or just copy the orig over that.
[07:44] <Unit193> Yeah, I've never seen anything like this.
[07:46] <Unit193> Kind of looks like someone went to town on includes.  Anything in /usr/local/ too, while we're at it?
[07:48] <esph> Unit193: you mean to ask if there's anything in /usr/local/include ? if so, then no.
[07:53] <esph> Unit193: There are things in /usr/local/share and  /usr/local/lib though
[08:00] <Unit193> Anything unexpected?
[08:07] <esph> Unit193: it seems the stuff is still mostly nothing: http://sprunge.us/WfZJ (ls -lhR run from /usr/local)
[08:08] <Unit193> esph: Yeah that's fine.
[08:09] <esph> Unit193: working on a list of packages to --reinstall right now, sound appropriate?
[08:10] <Unit193> Sure, though careful with some, nothing seemed too drastic though.
[08:11] <Unit193> You look at the list from  apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^  ?
[08:14] <esph> Unit193: here's what a dry run (-s) shows: http://sprunge.us/UJdG
[08:17] <Unit193> You'll likely want to swap out the LTS stack from utopic to vivid, or wily soon, since utopic is EOL'd.  That's just swapping out the LTS stack and upgrading python, so yeah nothing interesting there.
[08:20] <esph> Unit193: and here's the list of packages for which debsums reported at least one missing file: http://sprunge.us/WcdQ
[08:21] <esph> Seem OK?
[08:22] <Unit193> sudo too?  Huh.
[08:22] <esph> debsums: missing file /usr/include/sudo_plugin.h (from sudo package)
[08:22] <esph> yep
[08:24] <Unit193> esph: Well suffice it to say that you surely don't have the usual experience!
[08:25] <esph> Is there some smart way I can give that whole list to apt-get? I've got it in a file.
[08:25] <Unit193> sudo apt-get --reinstall install `cat mylist`
[08:35] <esph> Unit193: A while back, there was a bug with Samsung EVO firmware (the SSD in the laptop) that caused stuff to go haywire when trim was enabled. The system had trouble booting at that time, and I resolved it, but I'd guess this stuff has something to do with that. Weird that the symptoms took a while to show up though.
[08:37] <esph> The resolution to the booting problem may have involved some heavy-handed use of fsck :P
[08:49] <esph> Unit193: argh; after the reinstall and a reboot, stuff is still messed up. Could it be one of the changed files instead of the missing ones?
[08:52] <Unit193> Most of the modified ones weren't that interesting.
[08:55] <esph> Unit193: Here's the new result of debsums -ac: http://sprunge.us/SOCO I tried again to reinstall the package that still shows two files missing, but they still show as missing.
[08:58] <esph> Could there also be some other important things (maybe for xfce specifically) that wouldn't be found by debsums?
[09:00] <Unit193> Can't think of anything that wouldn't be fine in the guest session.
[09:01] <Unit193> Your ~/.cache/session or .config/xfce4 could be, but...  Could also try turning the compositor off.
[09:02] <knome> esph, using any PPAs? and which repositories do you use? the main or a local one?
[09:09] <esph> knome: I think everything's pretty standard besides a couple PPAs: http://sprunge.us/jUZh
[09:10] <knome> esph, did you post a screenshot at some point? i'd be interested in seeing that
[09:10] <esph> knome: one sec, I'll try to get something up
[09:11] <esph> I'm also getting an error dialog box now when logging in to the guest account. Can't really see what it's about though since the body is invisible
[09:26] <esph> knome: when trying to use the xfce screenshotter, I'm getting "Image type 'png' is not supported"
[09:26] <knome> aha...
[09:27] <knome> are you sure the SSD is working as it should?
[09:28] <esph> knome: in which way would you like me to check? I can do fsck or a SMART test if you want.
[09:29] <knome> well i don't know really...
[09:35] <esph> knome: everything is fine according to fsck
[09:44] <esph> Unit193, knome: "Sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error." Below that: "If you notice further problems, try restarting the computer." Below that: invisible stuff (presumably the more informative part of the error message).
[09:44] <esph> This error dialog appears most of the time when logging into the Guest account, and occasionally when logging into a real user account.
[09:45] <artag> that sounds like an error message that escaped from windows. 'if it's borked, reboot'
[09:46] <artag> s/if/when/
[09:46] <esph> artag: Well, not quite. There is more to the error message, but like I said, that part is invisible due to problems on the system.
[09:49] <esph> I know something's there because I can see the outline of what I believe is a text region when I mouse over it (and it looks like other dialog boxes which I know have invisible stuff in them since I've seen them before and after this problem started)
[09:50] <knome> esph, the reason i was asking about the SSD is that you seem to have a lot of error messages that we haven't seen before...
[09:51] <knome> esph, so while fsck might say it's fine... maybe it isn't letting the system read the files properly?
[09:53] <esph> knome: I don't know how that could even be possible. I can make and read and delete files fine myself.
[09:53] <knome> esph, hardware error?
[09:53] <knome> i don't know, i'm just guessing
[09:53] <esph> knome: fsck would complain if there were hardware errors
[09:53] <knome> since you have problems with the guest account too, it's likely the core system that is broken
[09:54] <knome> esph, well, maybe...
[09:54] <knome> but anyway, if reinstalling totally ruled out?
[09:54] <knome> *is
[09:55] <esph> knome: firstly, speaking of the system reading files, could it be a file permissions problem somewhere?
[09:55] <knome> that's always possible, but then it would take a lot of time to actually debug that
[09:56] <esph> knome: actually, debsums should have caught that, right?
[09:57] <knome> probably, but i'm not 100% sure
[09:57] <knome> were you using some proprietary drivers?
[09:58] <esph> No
[09:59] <esph> knome: in case you missed it, here's the output of debsums -ac: http://sprunge.us/SOCO (there were a bunch more things before, but I got them with --reinstall)
[09:59] <knome> i saw that
[10:00] <knome> well, it could be something
[10:00] <knome> Package: libgbm-dev (10.1.0-4ubuntu5)
[10:00] <knome> generic buffer management API -- development files
[10:02] <knome> though it's "old.*"
[10:03] <esph> knome: those files weren't reinstalled even though I used apt-get install --reinstall on the package
[10:03] <knome> i saw that too
[10:04] <esph> Don't know what that means
[10:04] <knome> if you referred to my comment, i meant that i've glanced through the backlog
[10:05] <esph> Ah, no; I mean I don't know the significance of --reinstall not getting those two files that debsums thinks belong to that package.
[10:15] <esph> knome: is there a sensible way reinstall without having to manually reinstall all the extra packages that were on the old system?
[10:16] <knome> esph, not really...
[10:16] <knome> you can get the list of packages you have manually installed
[10:16] <knome> if that helps
[10:23] <esph> knome: ugh, apt-mark showmanual outputs nearly as long as apt-mark showauto. I definitely didn't manually install all of those things; it must pull in dependencies or something.
[10:32] <knome> esph, well, i didn't say the process was perfect... :)
[10:33] <esph> knome: would you happen to know the actual program name by which I can invoke the "UbuntuInstaller"? In classic Ubuntu docs fashion, the the page for it linked here doesn't exist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation
[10:33] <Unit193> Also all default packages are marked as manually installed, just deps aren't.
[10:33] <esph> bah, that sucks, no wonder
[10:33] <Unit193> So, grab a manifest and compare. :D
[11:22] <abb0> i guess this may be a firefox issue, but when i download a file and goto open it via firefox "open containing folder" option and it opens thru nautilus instead of thunar
[11:23] <cfhowlett> abb0, firefox settings
[11:23] <abb0> is there any reason i need to have nautilus in xubuntu?
[11:23] <abb0> could i uninstall it without affecting anything on the system?
[11:23] <cfhowlett> abb0, or you could just direct ffox to use thunar instead
[11:24] <abb0> im trying to figure that out as we speak ;)
[11:24] <abb0> just hate having 2 file managers on my os
[11:25] <abb0> or is there some underlying reason to have both
[11:26] <flocculant> abb0: why do you have nautilus? did you install xubuntu-desktop ontop of an existing ubuntu install or similar?
[11:26] <cfhowlett> abb0, what xubuntu are you on?  I'm on 14.04 and ... not nautilus
[11:26] <cfhowlett> *no* nautilus
[11:26] <abb0> ahhh perhaps it installed as a dependency with some other file?
[11:26] <abb0> i have no idea im on 14.04
[11:27] <abb0> im about to reformat it anyways so i just was unsure if nautilus came with the os. glad to know my bone-head arse somehow installed it.
[11:27] <abb0> i didnt knowingly do it. unless it came with the restricted extras i installed
[11:28] <cfhowlett> nope.
[11:28] <abb0> only been using linux halfa year so im still new
[11:28] <abb0> sorry for the confusion, thanks for clearing it all up
[11:28] <abb0> ;)
[11:28] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[13:12] <abb0> one last question promise ;)
[13:13] <abb0> when i set my terminal to transparent background and have it say hovering over a firefox or thunar window it doesnt show either, it's like it see's through them and to the wallpaper
[13:14] <abb0> or is this already known
[13:14] <abb0> issue already known*
[13:15] <cfhowlett> abb0, transparent.  what did you expect?
[13:16] <abb0> right but when other terminals do it they usually show other windows that are in the background. or perhaps its b/c i dont have something ticked on my end
[13:16] <abb0> like usually behind the terminal you'd see the firefox window or thunar window
[13:16] <abb0> it wouldnt just be whatever part of the wallpaper is on the other side of where-ever the terminal is
[13:17] <abb0> not a big deal at all i was just making sure it wasnt human error like before :)
[14:48] <slee> hello, i think the header update this morning trashed something for google earth
[14:49] <slee> can someone with google earth installed check theirs?
[14:49] <slee> i get the splash screen, then main window opens for like 1-2 seconds then closes
[14:50] <slee> err, sorry, kernel update
[15:54] <uupz> hello
[15:55] <uupz> so is xubuntu the same as ubuntu except that it uses XFCE?
[15:55] <uupz> because i did the command sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop, rebooted, and used XFCE now
[15:57] <Pici> yep
[15:57] <Pici> !flavors
[15:59] <Jeaton> i installed xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, everything went good and all, but it did change my login boot screen
[15:59] <Jeaton> anyway of changing it back?
[15:59] <uupz> i do like XFCE a lot
[16:00] <uupz> i was using Unity before, was a little slow on my laptop.  I read about Xubuntu so I just installed it
[16:00] <uupz> much smoother
[16:02] <Pici> Jeaton: you can ask for lightdm to take over again, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[17:42] <xubuntu54w> knome... we spoke yesterday night about my linux zhich didnt have any free space... and I said I had a / and /home folder..
[17:43] <xubuntu54w> ad I didnt understand why I got this mesage when I did a software update..
[17:45] <xubuntu54w> can anybody help please?
[17:46] <morf> i don't know
[17:47] <morf> i don't think everybody knows about your problem, so maybe try ask again
[17:47] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: what's actually the issue currently?
[17:48] <morf> you had some problem with space... generally you obviously need to have enough hard drive space to install any OS including xubuntu
[17:48] <morf> + some free space for updates and stuff
[17:48] <xubuntu54w> flocculant.... i have a message saying I dont have enough free space when I run a software update
[17:49] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: yes - as we saw yesterday you're full up - yesterday you were going to reinstall with / and /home
[17:49] <morf> xubuntu54w: how much space do you have?
[17:49] <xubuntu54w> or i have 15gb for the / folder and 20gb for the /home folder...
[17:49] <morf> well
[17:50] <morf> depends how much sw you use
[17:50] <morf> but 15 gb can easily be filled
[17:50] <xubuntu54w> flocculant... yes I didnt do it yet...
[17:50] <morf> i'm using 32gb for system
[17:50] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: please re-run df -h|pastebinit
[17:50] <morf> that's usually enough
[17:50] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: right well http://paste.ubuntu.com/12865705/ is from yesterday
[17:50] <flocculant> you don't have /home you only have /
[17:50] <xubuntu54w> and all my files documents, pictures, etc... are on my partition windows.. so  I dont understand.
[17:50] <flocculant> and it is full
[17:51] <xubuntu54w> flocculant... I ca make a creenshot of gparted if you prefer..
[17:51] <flocculant> nope - that won't help :)
[17:51] <morf> i would suggest you to use single partition /
[17:51] <xubuntu54w> ok
[17:51] <morf> you can have data from home somewhere else
[17:51] <morf> and link them to your home
[17:52] <morf> or whatever method will suits you
[17:52] <xubuntu54w> morf... as I am a beginner in Linux I would have no idea how to do it...  :)
[17:52] <morf> 35gb should be certainly enough
[17:52] <morf> k
[17:53] <xubuntu54w> flocculant:  knome gave me this link and I read it again and again...  http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation/343370#343370
[17:54] <xubuntu54w> I did exaxtly what's written point by point... s I din't understand...
[17:55] <xubuntu54w> flocculant: the only thing I dont understand is what knome said...  to mount the home folder...
[17:55] <flocculant> that's during install
[17:55] <flocculant> I'll be back
[17:55] <xubuntu54w> but in the link it is not explained at all... or it is dome automatically when you install xubuntu ?
[17:55] <xubuntu54w> ok
[17:56] <flocculant> morf: what xubuntu54w needs is help with the Something Else option in the installer
[17:56] <flocculant> bl
[17:56] <flocculant> bbl
[17:56] <xubuntu54w> flocculant: i used the "something else.."
[17:58] <xubuntu54w> the only I didnt do and written in the link is:  the /boot and /tmp folders.. I didn't create them and the swap partition was a logical partition... nothing less nothing more..
[18:07]  * morf just hides
[18:12] <xubuntu54w> I have some 3 unallocated spaces on my partition.. does anybody know how to have the 3 unallocated spaces in 1?
[18:13] <xubuntu54w> and to put it at the end?
[18:15] <bekks> xubuntu54w: You have to move partitions, after creating backups.
[18:17] <xubuntu54w> bekks: how do I move them??
[18:17] <bekks> xubuntu54w: By using a tool like the gparted live cd.
[18:17] <xubuntu54w> ok
[18:18] <bekks> xubuntu54w: And remember to backup ALL of your data BEFORE.
[18:18] <xubuntu54w> ook
[18:20] <xubuntu54w> bekks: thanks !!
[18:31] <opsman> Please allow me my 2cents...
[18:32] <opsman> xubuntu54w: make your backups...boot to live cd..start gparted and delete all partitions.
[18:32] <opsman> create partitions based on setup you prefer
[18:33] <opsman> dual boot?
[18:33] <bekks> No need to delete partitions and start from scratch.
[18:33] <opsman> If no..create one partition ext4...run install.
[18:33] <bekks> No need to reinstall everything.
[18:34] <opsman> Your absolutely correct...with the exception that a new user needs to be aquianted with the process
[18:34] <bekks> Even for a new user there is no need to reinstal everything This isnt Windows.
[18:34] <opsman> so for the future...if you crash the system. You know how to start from scratch.
[18:35] <bekks> In case of a system crash: Restore your backup. No need to start from scratch again.
[18:38] <opsman> Your totally correct...but those backups your talking about won't work so well when he starts distro hopping..
[18:39] <bekks> I'm not caring about distro hopping, I'm using Ubuntu.
[18:39] <opsman> and we all know that distro hopping is a part of the new to linux expereince.
[18:39] <bekks> Thats an assumption only.
[18:40] <opsman> totally,,
[18:40] <bekks> Lets stick on the facts instead.
[18:41] <opsman> what facts
[18:41] <bekks> That no reinstallation is necessary for moving partitions with gparted, which perfectly answers his initial question.
[18:47] <opsman> sorry bekks..your correct about the initial question. I interjected answer to a question from another session in a different window. My bad..apologies.
[19:01] <xubuntu54w> bekks: opsman:  ok... but if I delete all partitions it means I have to reinstall everything aagain... what I will prefer not to do if possible...
[19:01] <bekks> xubuntu54w: So dont do it then.
[19:02] <xubuntu54w> and I agree with opsman... it's better to learn the hard way to know what you have to do in case of a problem !
[19:02] <bekks> xubuntu54w: You've been suggested what to do without reinstalling.
[19:03] <xubuntu54w> bekks:  I will do it... because I want to understand why I dont have my / and /home folder when I install xubuntu even if I follow the steps in the link given above
[19:03] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: that's simple - you didn't tell the installer to do that ;)
[19:03] <bekks> In which link?
[19:04] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation/343370#343370
[19:04] <xubuntu54w> thanks flocculant
[19:05] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: exactly what setup do you have > sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[19:06] <xubuntu54w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878965/
[19:06] <a1fa> i need a new 4button mouse with scroll wheel with high dpi that has programmable dpi with linux
[19:07] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: mmm - I don't have experience with gpt
[19:07] <flocculant> if you df -h does that still look like it did yesterday?
[19:09] <xubuntu54w> flocculant:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878990/
[19:12] <xubuntu54w> flocculant.  bekks.  is my installation so bad??  :)
[19:14] <bekks> xubuntu54w: I dont know. Just use gparted live for moving your partitions as you have been told already. And dont forget to create backups before.
[19:15] <xubuntu54w> bekks: ok.
[19:15] <bekks> xubuntu54w: You couls have been done by now already, If you'd started after getting your answer... :P
[19:15] <flocculant> that doesn't make sense to me - but as I said, no real idea with gpt
[19:16] <xubuntu54w> flocculant  bekks: I will see.. I will delete all the partitions and will start from scratch and will come back to you this week end.
[19:16] <xubuntu54w> and we will see...
[19:17] <bekks> Why are you asking if you are ignoring the answers?
[19:18] <xubuntu54w> my last question:  do you know how to a full hard drive encryption - which has 2 partitions, 1 for windows 1 for linux - ??
[19:19] <bekks> Technically impossible.
[19:19] <bekks> There is no encryption method natively being used by both Linux and Windows.
[19:21] <xubuntu54w> bekks... ok..
[19:22] <sim642> Is there a simple way to change the screen brightness changing step? On the low end one press of my laptop's brightness keys causes a rather radical change and I can't get a brightness inbetween
[19:22] <knome> xubuntu54w, some hardware might support that, but it's not common, at least yet
[19:23] <xubuntu54w> bekks  knome: your advice if I wanted to encryptthe hard drive? to have only 1 operating system?
[19:23] <xubuntu54w> or 2 hard drives inside the laptop?
[19:23] <xubuntu54w> that's the only solution?
[19:23] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: encrypt the partitions when you install - you'll need windows help for windows
[19:24] <knome> xubuntu54w, you can encrypt the partitions individually, but not at once
[19:25] <xubuntu54w> knome.. you mean for xubuntu to encrypt the home folder...  but for windows... how to do it?
[19:25] <knome> for windows, you'll need to refer to the windows documentation and support channels
[19:26] <xubuntu54w> ok
[19:28] <xubuntu54w> thanks guys for your help !
[21:06] <xubuntu72w> hello
[21:06] <knome> hello
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> im stuck for like hours ;_;
[21:07] <knome> maybe you should call the elevator fixing company
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> hahaha
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> good one
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> cant install xubuntu, its not seeing partitions
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> searched the web for it but .. nothing
[21:07] <knome> can't see what partitions?
[21:08] <xubuntu72w> well, i have windows 7 installed on the primary hard drive and used unetbootin to boot within the same hard drive since my pc cant boot with usb or dvd
[21:08] <xubuntu72w> now i want to install xubuntu
[21:08] <xubuntu72w> and in gparted he does sees the partition but not in the install
[21:09] <xubuntu72w> i read on the web i have to shrink the partition but gparted is not allowing me
[21:09] <xubuntu72w> sorry for the bad english though
[21:13] <xubuntu72w> i hope you can understand me ;_;
[21:17] <drc> your english, yes...your problem, no, not a clue.
[21:18] <xubuntu72w> dont know how to say it in clear english..
[21:19] <xubuntu72w> ubiquity doesnt see my partitions but gparted does
[21:19] <drc> Sorry, I understand the problem/your english.  I just have no idea on a solution.  I just wanted to let you know your english was good enough to be understood.
[21:20] <mpmctoo> Hi folks, Running Xubuntu 15.10 and loving the improvements, unfortunately I have some audio glitches that weren't present in 14.04, I'm listening to Music via Chrome (was Chromium) and the audio randomly skips, any solutions / suggestions? Many thanks.
[21:21] <xubuntu72w> drc: ah, thanks for trying :)
[21:25] <flocculant> xubuntu72w: if you mean you want to shrink the win7 partition to let the installer start - I would boot windows and use it's disk management to shrink, then just leave some unallocated space - the xubuntu installer will see that empty space
[21:30] <xubuntu72w> flocculant: i have to create a new partition than i guess?
[21:30] <xubuntu72w> flocculant: because i have to install xubuntu within the windows partition
[21:31] <flocculant> no - you have to let windows shrink the partition - then xubuntu will create itself partitions in that new empty space
[21:33] <xubuntu72w> okay, but the files of xubntu are located on my windows partition so its not a problem
[21:33] <xubuntu72w> eventually i want to remove windows
[21:34] <flocculant> not sure what you mean tbh - if by any chance you are talking about Wubi - then don't do that, it's been removed from cd images today for good reason
[21:34] <drc> xubuntu72w: I note you said you can't use USB or DVD, can us use cd's?
[21:34] <drc> to boot from
[21:40] <xubuntu72w> no
[21:40] <xubuntu72w> dont have cds anymore
[21:41] <xubuntu72w> but i have 25gb free disk space
[21:42] <xubuntu72w> not possible to make a new partition special for xubuntu
[21:42] <xubuntu72w> install it on the new partition and delete the ntfs partition and merge it with ubntu?
[21:44] <xubuntu72w> drc:
[21:45] <drc> xubuntu72w: I have have no idea how to do what you obviously want to do.  The question about a cd was an attempt to use Core (a minimal xubuntu that fits on a cd) to install.
[21:47] <xubuntu72w> drc: i can't, dont have cds or dvds and in the bios i cant select for booting with usb
[21:47] <xubuntu72w> drc: but there is an option to enable legacy usb, usb 2.0 but no boot ;_;
[21:47] <drc> Then someone else will have to help you.
[21:47] <xubuntu72w> thank you very much
[21:48] <xubuntu72w> i will try with the partition method in windows
[21:48] <drc> np...sorry.
[21:48] <xubuntu72w> thanks for you help ;)
[21:50] <function9x> mpmctoo: which music?
[21:51] <mpmctoo> function9x: Any, it doesn't matter, but I am getting "snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj." in dmesg, trying out a few fixes now.
[23:08] <brianc_>  I installed virt-manager using apt-get and I got 0.9.5 -  however looking at the website, there is ver 1.2 already... Any way to update? Or shall I just uninstall 0.9 and download from the web?
[23:12] <knome> brianc_, for what do you explicitly need the newer version?
[23:13] <brianc_> My version doesn't seem to have the snapshot feature
[23:14] <knome> later ubuntu versions have 1.0.1
[23:14] <knome> if you need the feature, i would try to find a PPA first
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> hello
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> i'm back :)
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> i have xubuntu installed correctly
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> now i want to merge the space from windows to xubuntu
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> i have deleted that partition
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> but i dont know how to merge it without gparted live cd
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> hope you can help me :)
[23:26] <knome> you can install gparted in xubuntu
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> i did that
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> but i can't merge
[23:27] <knome> well yes, you can't merge a mounted filesystem
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> it isnt mounted anymore
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> i deleted that partition
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> windows was located on that partition
[23:27] <knome> but the xubuntu partition is, i suppose, if you are logged in xubuntu...
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> aah
[23:28] <xubuntu76w> how can i change this without a live cd?
[23:28] <knome> you can't
[23:28] <xubuntu76w> damn it
[23:28] <xubuntu76w> that sucks
[23:28] <knome> remember that this is a family-friendly channel
[23:29] <xubuntu76w> im sorry
[23:29] <xubuntu76w> it wasnt ment to you
[23:29] <xubuntu76w> thank you for your time anyway
[23:29] <knome> have fun with xubutnu
[23:29] <Unit193> You may be able to use grml-rescueboot and toram it.
[23:29] <knome> *xubuntu too
[23:30] <xubuntu76w> Unit193: without a live cd it is possible?
[23:30] <xubuntu76w> knome: thank you
[23:31] <Unit193> Might be able to.  Install that package, drop an iso with gparted on /boot/grml/ then  sudo update-grub  and when you boot, select the iso and modify the boot param in the submenu to append 'toram'
[23:32] <xubuntu76w> that seems difficult
[23:32] <xubuntu76w> tutorial somewhere?
[23:34] <Unit193> No idea, might be.
[23:34] <Unit193> LiveCD/USB might be easier.
[23:34] <xubuntu76w> my computer can not boot with usb :(
[23:35] <xubuntu76w> and i dont have cds
[23:38] <brianc_> knome thanks, I got a newer version of virt-manager from getdeb ppa.
[23:46] <esph> How can I get xfce to remember backlight brightness as part of the session save feature?
[23:50] <xubuntu76w> thank you for the time everyone
[23:51] <Unit193> It doesn't already?  Netbook does a decent job as far as I know.  Did you look in xfpms settings?
[23:55] <esph> Unit193: I tried looking around in various settings utilities, but I didn't see anything about it. I don't have any executable starting with "xfpms";  what package is that from?
[23:55] <Unit193> ...That's the Xubuntu team's lazy way of saying xfce4-power-manager, sorry.


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