[00:11] <smoser> mwhudson, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man5/dhcpd.conf.5.html
[00:11] <smoser> says those are seconds.
[00:11] <smoser> which does seem low.
[00:13] <mwhudson> smoser: yeah, i /presume/ that this is trying to give out a short lease to the bootloader during pxe
[00:13] <mwhudson> boot
[00:13] <mwhudson> but i don't really know
[00:13] <mwhudson> i also don't really know what the lease time is when that condition doesn't match
[00:14] <smoser> i suspect that is where the low value came from.
[00:14] <smoser> but we've fixed that really.
[00:14] <smoser> as maas uses ignore-client-uids
[00:15] <smoser> which means that it only pays attention to the MAC wrt to giving out IP addresses.
[00:15] <mwhudson> ah right
[00:15] <mwhudson> so same mac gets the same address
[00:15] <mwhudson> even if uid differs?
[00:17] <smoser> right.
[00:17] <smoser> uid is completely ignored.
[00:18] <smoser> which, imo is sanity
[00:18] <smoser> i dont care what you tell me your name is, i call you X
[06:09] <allenap> I have always assumed that the 30 was minutes. If it's seconds I agree it seems too low.
[06:31] <rvba> mwhudson: welcome.  Do you have the capacity to test the fix?  (the daily package in ppa:maas-maintainers/dailybuilds contains the fix.)  I don't have access to an ARM machine right now.
[07:27] <rvba> gmb: Hi there.  I see "Doc:  The setup documentation needs to be updated for the new location for triggering the initial imports" is in the done lane but people.canonical.com/~rvb/maas-docs/cluster-configuration.html#cluster-acceptance still has the wrong UI…
[07:27] <rvba> gmb: oh, my bad, there is another card for this.
[07:31] <gmb> Morning rvba; yep there's another card for that. I'll take care of it presently.
[07:32] <rvba> gmb: I can take care of it if you want.
[07:32] <gmb> rvba: Okay, cool, please do.
[07:32] <rvba> Ok.
[08:05] <gmb> rvba: You can land those documentation-related branches on 1.2 now BTW.
[08:07] <rvba> gmb: yeah, I'll do it.
[16:10] <smoser> allenap, rvba http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/
[16:10] <smoser> what do we have to do to make 'changelog.html
[16:10] <smoser> reference 1.5
[16:10] <smoser> i'd like to link to something 1.5 changelog from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[16:20] <smoser> roaksoax, i added MAAS section at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes#preview
[16:20] <smoser> you should proof that.
[16:20] <roaksoax> smoser: ok, bigjools said he was gonna do release notes, so we should just consume that
[16:20] <roaksoax> smoser: right now i'm trying to fix issues
[16:36] <rvba> smoser: the changelog is just the HTML version of lp:maas/1.5:docs/changelog.rst
[16:38] <smoser> rvba, ok. for now as 'upstream changelog' i'll just link to that.
[16:38] <smoser> but if 1.5 is released, would be good to have that
[16:39] <smoser> would be good to have maas.ubuntu.com/docs updated to have that
[16:39] <rvba> smoser: we are in the process of releasing the docs for different releases.  maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.5 will be the doc for the 1.5 release.
[16:41] <smoser> thanks.
[17:46] <rvba> tych0: hi there, did you see my comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~tycho-s/maas/add-hardcode-amt-option/+merge/215953 ?
[17:46] <rvba> comments* even
[17:50] <tych0> rvba: no, somehow i missed htem, will address them right now, thanks
[21:01] <mwhudson> rvba: only if i can bash networking into working on this chassis properly :(


[11:26] <Ahmad> salam ba gfax moshkel darm in miyad http://upload7.ir/images/58631701419214064450.png
[11:37] <hs366> Ahmad, Plz don't send PM
[21:55] <Prosaied> salam hame


[17:02] <leothecat> hey! what would I do if I wanted to add a package to the ubuntu repos, but already have a deb? :)
[17:03] <tumbleweed> leothecat: everything in Ubuntu is built from source, so you need a debian source package, rather than a deb (the source package builds debs)
[17:03] <leothecat> ah okay.
[17:04] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#Preparing_New_Packages
[17:05] <tumbleweed> I'd recommend adding it to Debian, rather than Ubuntu directly, though
[17:06] <leothecat> hmm. will look into it, thanks :)


[02:54] <daker> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6030149
[06:43] <dholbach> good morning
[06:43] <elfy> morning dholbach
[06:44] <dholbach> hey elfy
[06:47] <elfy> dholbach: can you get to https://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/ ?
[06:47] <elfy> downforeveryone appears to think it's just me
[06:47] <dholbach> https → http
[06:47] <dholbach> then yes
[06:48] <elfy> oh right - so it won;t work there and it's down for you to?
[06:53] <dholbach> on http it works for me
[06:54] <dholbach> https doesn't
[06:54] <dholbach> just replace https with http
[06:54] <elfy> not that worried :)
[06:55] <elfy> which is shorthand for firefox keeps adding the s and I've not had enough tea yet ... :p
[06:55] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[08:06] <dholbach> nigelb, happy birthday! :)
[08:06] <elfy> 50 again ...
[09:12] <dpm> nigelb, and elfy happy birthday ;)
[09:14] <elfy> thanks dpm - but it's not mine - just Nigel's :)
[09:14] <dpm> elfy, ah, misread dholbach's comment. Nevermind, congrats for the next one ;)
[09:15] <elfy> I'm not having anymore - 50 is more than old enough for anyone :p
[09:15] <elfy> men that is ... women seem to like 30 :D
[13:24] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/1i2w2z/best_damn_cardio_humanly_possible_in_15_minutes/cb0ky70
[13:24] <jcastro> that is awesome
[14:45] <mhall119> nigelb: happy birthday dude!
[14:54] <cjohnston> who's this nigelb guy?
[14:56] <elfy> the older one :)
[15:36] <balloons> nigelb, happy happy birthday!
[15:39] <dholbach> all right - time to call it a day over here - have a great weekend everyone!
[15:40] <elfy> have a good weekend dholbach
[15:41] <dholbach> you too
[15:54] <bkerensa> jono: just sent the list to sarah
[17:03] <bkerensa> jono: looks like everyone is registered and I'm working with O'Reilly to get a exhibitor sticker
[21:24] <popey> marcoceppi: discourse broken?
[21:25] <marcoceppi> popey: not that I know of. what are you seeing?
[21:26] <marcoceppi> popey: loads for me. what url are you using?
[21:26] <popey> web page not available
[21:26] <popey> https://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/
[21:26] <marcoceppi> popey: we disabled SSL and spdy. drop the s
[21:27] <popey> ok
[21:27] <popey> thanks
[21:36] <jcastro> login loop!
[21:36] <jcastro> I blame popey
[21:43] <popey> wise
[22:49] <jose> hey jcastro, let me know if you're around
[22:52] <jcastro> jose: for 5 minutes
[22:52] <jcastro> go!
[22:52] <jose> jcastro: I don't know if I can also participate on the charm contest as a maintainer, I'm in the process of getting a charm on the store atm
[22:52] <jcastro> you have until october 1
[22:52] <jose> still 16 years old :(
[22:52] <jcastro> oh
[22:52] <jose> mhm
[22:52] <jcastro> you just need your parent's permission
[22:53] <jose> signed permission?
[22:53] <jose> (you know I'm 16, you checked my ID)
[22:53] <jcastro> yeah
[22:53] <jcastro> send me a mail, I'll send you the packet
[22:53]  * jose sends email
[22:54] <jcastro> this is for the maintainer stuff right?
[22:54] <jcastro> not like a full blown entry?
[22:55] <jose> yeah
[22:55] <jose> for the $200 chances I may have
[22:57] <jose> jcastro: you have mail
[23:00] <jcastro> smart man
[23:00] <jcastro> snag all the unmaintained boring charms people will need to use
[23:00] <jcastro> that's what I would do!
[23:00] <jose> yeah, plus I've submitted postfix and mailmn
[23:00] <jose> which should be useful for the monitoring solution
[23:05] <jose> jcastro: when are you sending the info?
[23:07] <pleia2> jose: I barely recognised you with the little nick!
[23:08] <jose> pleia2: yep, new nick! thought it was time to change :)
[23:08] <pleia2> :)
[23:08]  * pleia2 keeps the nick she picked when she was 16
[23:08] <pleia2> looking like a grown up, pfft
[23:08] <jose> :P
[23:09] <jose> you should feel young
[23:09] <pleia2> I have my moments
[23:10] <jose> my teacher who is older than 50 feels young
[23:14] <jcastro> jose: I just sent it ~15min ago to your ubuntu account
[23:14] <jose> jcastro: didn't get it at all, note that I'm now using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:15] <jcastro> resent
[23:15] <jose> great, got it now. thanks!
[23:17] <jose> jcastro: quick question, should I register myself in the sign-up page or I don't need to?
[23:17] <jose> or my parents should register themselves?
[23:19] <jcastro> you don't need to register anything
[23:19] <jcastro> they need to email be i, ii, and iii
[23:19] <jose> ok, thanks!


[12:54] <gfather> hello guys
[12:54] <gfather> on wich devices mid edtion run on ?
[12:55] <gfather> can i port it to freerunner ?
[13:01] <playya> gfather, good idea
[13:01] <gfather> yes , i dont know what devices it could run on , maybe 7inch stuff , not sure
[13:01] <playya> i started to bring some parts in a lokal bitbake archive but deleted my whole work :(
[13:02] <playya> its hard to run it on 800x480
[13:02] <playya> and i think most of the programs won't fit on the screen resolution
[13:02] <gfather> mmm
[13:03] <gfather> weould if it can be customized , i think it could be great to run on freerunner , good cpu , good ram , and touch
[13:03] <playya> most apps are designed for 4:3. freerunner has a 3:4 screen
[13:03] <gfather> so it could look very nice
[13:03] <gfather> well we can rotate that , right
[13:04] <gfather> so it will ve 4:3
[13:04] <playya> thats why mickey is working on UMAF
[13:06] <gfather> playya where i can find documentation that could help me port it ,
[13:06] <gfather> and maybe someone to help :)
[13:07] <playya> http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Untitled_Mobile_Application_Framework
[13:07] <playya> but it is not even implemented
[13:08] <playya> and in the begin it will be based on elementary
[13:08] <playya> do you know any packages in the ubuntu repo base on enlightenmen?
[13:08] <gfather> i didnt understad what u mean ?
[13:09] <playya> you might want to read the bitbake manual
[13:09] <gfather> ok
[13:11] <playya> gfather, ever used bitbake/mokomakefile before?
[13:11] <gfather> yes
[13:11] <gfather> mokomakefile
[13:13] <playya> the you have a lot of examples in the openembedded/packages directory
[13:14] <gfather> playya yes , well i thought becouse debian is ported to freeruner , we can sue the same kernel patches and drivers
[13:15] <playya> it think they use the OM kernel
[13:15] <playya> the .26
[13:22] <gfather> playya gonna read more on the subject , if u know someone thats interested to help , tell me pleas
[13:23] <playya> me and another guy
[13:23] <playya> but i do not have really the time to do alot for it :(
[13:24] <persia> Ubuntu can't run on the freerunner: the Ubuntu armel port requires at least armv5t, which the freerunner doesn't have.
[13:25] <playya> but it might be possible for n800
[13:25] <gfather> :(
[13:25] <persia> Yeah.  The n800 ought just work.  Main issue is kernel.
[13:25] <gfather> but couldent work even if we used some debian files ?
[13:26] <Celtiore> Hi,
[13:26] <persia> Sure.  I think Debian runs on the freerunner.
[13:27] <gfather> debian runs of the freerunner, thats why im sure it can ubuntu mid could work also
[13:27] <Celtiore> persia, do you know if we can find how-to concerning mods for desktop ?
[13:27] <playya> brb
[13:27] <persia> Celtiore, What sort of mods?
[13:27] <ogra> playya, i'm driving to berlin on sunday ... should i drop off the debug board somewhere on my way ?
[13:28] <gfather> ogra i want a test device and debug board to pleas :)
[13:28] <Celtiore> mods, for display new icons
[13:29] <Celtiore> and about hildon-navigator ...
[13:31] <gfather> persia could you explain more pleas
[13:33] <persia> Celtiore, I don't know about hildon-navigator, and I only know about displaying icons for intrepid & jaunty.  I don't know of any guides.
[13:33] <Celtiore> ok
[13:34] <persia> gfather, The compilation for Debian and Ubuntu differ for armel, with the result that Ubuntu binary packages can't run on the freerunner.  You may be able to recompile some of them locally, or you could work with Debian folk to integrate some of the changes (if they work).
[13:34] <playya> ogra, wrong direction :(
[13:35] <playya> i could ask a prof. if you can drop it in brandenburg :P
[13:35] <ogra> playya, you moved from GÖ ?
[13:35] <gfather> i see :(
[13:35] <playya> i never lived in GÖ
[13:35] <gfather> and it may need more ram than what freerunner has
[13:35] <ogra> oh, i thought you study there
[13:35] <playya> i live in villinge/offenburg
[13:35] <persia> gfather, Maybe, but the processor is really the issue.
[13:35] <ogra> ah, crap
[13:36] <playya> are you going to visit linuxtag/cebit?
[13:36] <ogra> not sure about either
[13:36] <playya> i try to be there in the ubuntu booth
[13:36] <ogra> i'm very likely going to FOSDEM as many/most of us after the sprint
[13:37] <playya> julius and i figured out that belgium is really expensive
[13:37] <ogra> pfft
[13:37] <ogra> its the greatest european event
[13:37] <playya> and my exams start on monday
[13:37] <ogra> worth spending some extra money
[13:38] <ogra> ah, thats bad indeed
[13:38] <playya> I'm broke, too
[13:38] <playya> need a GSoC project to finance this years congresses :P
[13:38] <ogra> heh
[13:39] <playya> or a paid bachelor thesis
[13:47] <playya> persia, i don't see a arm kernel on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[13:47] <playya> where can i find it?
[13:47] <playya> gfather, btw. the glamo sucks
[13:48] <ogra> playya, its the normal ubuntu kernel ...
[13:48] <ogra> there is no specific arm tree
[13:49] <ogra> currently iop32x, ixp4xx, orion5x and versatile are built
[13:50] <ogra> we're waiting for the kernel team to merge the linux-omap tree for soe omap arches
[13:50] <persia> playya, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git
[13:50] <ogra> (and this whole conversation is totally off topic in this channel :P we should switch to #ubuntu-arm)
[13:51] <ogra> before persia gets a heart attack :P
[13:51] <persia> heh
[13:51] <ogra> :)
[13:53] <gfather[a]> one question , is ubuntu mid been localized to arabic ?
[13:54] <persia> gfather[a], Probably only partially.  More translations welcome.
[13:55] <gfather> well if u need just tell me , and on what device i could run it to test and localize , though i have only a desktop
[13:56] <persia> You can test on a desktop in a virtual environment.  It works in kvm or qemu.
[13:56] <persia> Beyond that, I don't know of any devices with full hardware support right now.  Maybe some UMPCs.
[13:57] <gfather> i see
[13:57] <ogra> well, the Q1
[13:58] <persia> I thought I heard of issues with the Q1U touchscreen for jaunty.  Are they sorted?
[13:58] <ogra> at least *most* HW of it is supported
[13:58] <ogra> no, just writing the netbook image to USB to test
[13:58] <persia> Well, the D4 seems to work fairly well, excepting networking.
[13:59] <persia> Oh, yeah, I was specifically meaning MID devices.  There's fairly good HW support for a fair number of netbooks and UMPCs for the netbook image.
[14:00] <persia> Even the MID image ought run on a fair number of them.
[14:00] <ogra> i didnt have a rsyncable MID image
[14:00] <ogra> unr was faster for testing the touchscreen issue
[14:00] <ogra> timo wants logs ...
[14:00] <persia> Of course :)
[14:01]  * ogra would prefer to do arm work today, but that seems critical
[19:32] <crevette> hello


[16:22] <OvenWerks> it appears I can not use hdajacksensetest as it requires sudo/pkexec which is not possible in a process that runs background and auto starts at session start. So amixer it is.


[12:54] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: ping
[12:54] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: pong
[12:54] <thelinuxer> hey man
[12:54] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2012-May/msg00008.html
[12:54] <thelinuxer> I was planning to talk to you today :)
[12:54] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: me 2
[12:55] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: i am planning to come to egypt from 9 july to 21 july
[12:55] <seiflotfy> :D
[12:55] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: i want to have a small 3 day hackfest at my place
[12:55] <thelinuxer> first good luck with Gnome foundation board :)
[12:55] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: but i am looking for already experienced hackers
[12:55] <seiflotfy> because i have a big todo list from canonical/ubuntu
[12:56] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: what help can I give you ?
[12:56] <seiflotfy> and i want to get ubuntu-eg to implement it
[12:56] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: please please please do1
[12:56] <thelinuxer> !
[12:56] <seiflotfy> 100% my intention
[12:56] <seiflotfy> i have the todo list
[12:56] <seiflotfy> and i just need experienced developers
[12:56] <seiflotfy> 2 or 3
[12:57] <thelinuxer> you gonna face a little problem with that
[12:57] <thelinuxer> most of the guys have graduation projects this year
[12:58] <seiflotfy> that sucks bit time
[12:58] <thelinuxer> we can always check with them
[12:58] <thelinuxer> a small announcement on facebook and the mailing list should do it
[12:59] <thelinuxer> and of course we should mention that you only gonna choose 2-3
[12:59] <seiflotfy> i want اسلام مصطفي
[13:00] <seiflotfy> i never contacted him, but i went through his code on launchpad yesterday
[13:00] <seiflotfy> he shows lots of promise
[13:00] <seiflotfy> he seems like a good hacker
[13:00] <thelinuxer> good choice I was thinking about him
[13:00] <seiflotfy> he lives in sohag
[13:01] <thelinuxer> i was afraid you would say he doesn't have much experience
[13:01] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: expertise is not what we need
[13:01] <thelinuxer> yes he lives in sohag but I think it can be arranged
[13:01] <seiflotfy> expertise comes iwth time
[13:01] <seiflotfy> we ne3ed to develo9p new potential
[13:01] <thelinuxer> I will contact him if you want and get here in the IRC room, ok?
[13:01] <seiflotfy> and he shows potential and enthusiasm
[13:01] <seiflotfy> yes please
[13:01] <thelinuxer> cool
[13:02] <thelinuxer> anyone else ?
[13:02] <seiflotfy> i need to check on islam wazery
[13:02] <seiflotfy> he is around alot but never seen his code or something
[13:02] <seiflotfy> so i need a link to some of his code and projects
[13:02] <thelinuxer> hmmm ..
[13:02] <thelinuxer> he has upload rights on some kde project
[13:02] <thelinuxer> can't remember which ..
[13:03] <seiflotfy> digiKam
[13:03] <seiflotfy> :P
[13:03] <thelinuxer> ah yes :D
[13:03] <seiflotfy> I AM EVERYWHERE
[13:03] <seiflotfy> :P
[13:03] <seiflotfy> nah kidding
[13:03] <thelinuxer> lol
[13:03] <seiflotfy> i did my homework and looked for potential hacker
[13:03] <seiflotfy> s
[13:03] <thelinuxer> that's cool
[13:03] <thelinuxer> anyone else ?
[13:03] <seiflotfy> i am thinking of shams
[13:04] <thelinuxer> shams is not in egypt anymore :(
[13:04] <seiflotfy> i think he can manage 2 or 3 hackers including me
[13:04] <seiflotfy> what?
[13:04] <seiflotfy> where is he?
[13:04] <thelinuxer> Saudi Arabia
[13:04] <seiflotfy> crap
[13:04] <seiflotfy> HazRPG: you got some coding experience right?#
[13:08] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: Islam seems offline right now
[13:09] <thelinuxer> I will tell him you're interested to talk with him we keda
[13:09] <seiflotfy> yeah thanks
[13:10] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: let me show you the todo list
[13:10] <thelinuxer> ok
[13:11] <seiflotfy> thelinuxer: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20824/desktop-q-zeitgeist/
[13:11] <seiflotfy> you have to log in to see the pad
[13:11] <seiflotfy> i want to finish one taks per day
[13:12] <seiflotfy> if we finish 3 tasks then we did enough contribution in code
[13:12] <seiflotfy> my goal is to grow the developer base of ubuntu-eg to be able to maintain itself and grow furthur
[13:12] <thelinuxer> I sure hope so :)
[13:12] <seiflotfy> we spend a lot of time giving talks trying to teach people how to contribute, but i think we need to starts with ourselves
[13:13] <thelinuxer> meaning ?
[13:14] <thelinuxer> what do u mean by start with ourselves ?
[13:14] <seiflotfy> ubuntu-eg should contribute code
[13:14] <seiflotfy> once we contribute code we will have a purpose to maintain the code
[13:15] <seiflotfy> which will lead to us evolving and growing the developers base for our code
[13:15] <thelinuxer> ah ok
[13:15] <seiflotfy> and with first hands experience in contributing upstream we can actually give better presentations and more advanced tutorials
[13:16] <thelinuxer> of course :) please ping me when it's near to get ready
[13:16] <thelinuxer> I might try to join in
[13:21] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: ^
[13:21] <seiflotfy> awesome
[13:21] <seiflotfy> even if for a day
[13:21] <thelinuxer> I would like to meet the hackers and get some work done :)
[13:22] <thelinuxer> but please tell me a little early to be able to squeeze it in and get ready
[13:22] <seiflotfy> will do
[13:22] <seiflotfy> 2 weeks notice is ok?
[13:22] <thelinuxer> yeah sure
[13:22] <thelinuxer> also links for tutorials and hacking guides would be great
[13:26] <seiflotfy> yeah those will be prepared before the hackfest
[13:26] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: cool
[13:54] <Wazery> hi seiflotfy
[14:19] <seiflotfy> hey Wazery
[14:19] <seiflotfy> hopw r u
[14:19] <Wazery> fine
[14:19] <Wazery> and u?
[14:34] <thelinuxer> seiflotfy: you wanted to check something with Wazery ?
[14:34] <seiflotfy> sorry in a meeting
[14:34] <seiflotfy> :P
[14:34] <thelinuxer> cool
[14:34] <seiflotfy> ok Wazery do you have time this summer
[14:35] <seiflotfy> just 3 days between 9th and 21st of july
[14:35] <Wazery> fine if 3 days
[14:39] <Wazery> sorry I will go for sleep