[00:03] <TJ-> sparr: tomreyn  not sure if you've seen this: https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln302674/updating-to-the-latest-ubuntu-kernel-for-on-an-oem-dell-image-may-disable-some-components?lang=en
[00:05] <TJ-> And for anyone else researching the original OEM Dell installs, seems you need to Dell Hosted Recovery Image ISO which should be found via https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/drivers/osiso/ and combined with the instructions at https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln301761/how-to-use-the-dell-hosted-recovery-image-of-linux?lang=en
[00:05] <ax562> hello I tried installing ubuntu 18.04 lts on a dual boot machine (already had ubuntu  16.04) and during install program wanted eif partition which I didn't have so pc never booted
[00:06] <tomreyn> TJ-: no, i hadn't seen this. but i guess disabling secure boot is fine for most users anyways.
[00:06] <ax562> I then created a usb flash os through ubuntu 16.04 lts "try ubuntu".  I created a efi partition before creating an ext4 partition in which I installed ubuntu 18.04 lts
[00:07] <ax562> my secure boot is turned off
[00:07] <ax562> I wiped my original ubuntu partition before installing
[00:07] <TJ-> tomreyn: it seems orthogonal to the problem of a kernel upgrade on its face. Maybe the inference is out-of-tree DKMS packages are built for the new kernel and aren't signed
[00:08] <ax562> any ideas?
[00:09] <TJ-> ax562: sounds like originally 16.04 was booting in BIOS/MBR mode and then 18.04 installer booted in UEFI mode and therefore wanted to install for that mode as well, and couldn't find, nor create, an existing EFI system partition
[00:09] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm yes, this can be. i'm not sure what to make out of it other than 'prefer linux-generic if you can'
[00:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: indeed... and seems like Dell customers have to jump through hoops to get the installed image... i wonder where the source is hosted (GPL requirement)
[00:10] <ax562> Tj: Thanks.  I did create efi partition the second install and still didn't work
[00:11] <ax562> I was running dual boot with windows 8.1
[00:11] <ax562> everything was working great
[00:11] <TJ-> ax562: did the installer report no errors? have you verified there's an "ubuntu" entry in the PC's manual boot menu ?
[00:11] <ax562> I am running a dell :)
[00:12] <ax562> TJ- I just booted in 18.04 usb flash and there was an "efi ubuntu" option
[00:12] <ax562> Tj: ^
[00:12] <TJ-> ax562: the last thing the installer does (in UEFI mode) is call "efibootmgr" to add the Ubuntu entry to the PC's boot menu
[00:13] <ax562> Im running this all off ssd drive with 4 different paritions
[00:13] <TJ-> ax562: so first thing I'd do is boot the PC and press the key that brings up the PC's manual boot menu and see what is on it (or enter firmware Setup and see if you can view the entries in the boot menu)
[00:14] <ax562> under efi I have two options "boot off ubuntu" or "ubuntu flash" .  "boot off ubuntu" doesn't work
[00:14] <ax562> I do not get grub2 options like before where I can choose either ubuntu or windows
[00:15] <tomreyn> ax562: did you maybe make changes to your bios setup before you started installing ubuntu 18.04?
[00:15] <ax562> no
[00:16] <insom^> I'm having problems running steam through a proxy... any ideas?
[00:17] <pragmaticenigma> insom^: That's not something this channel can support. Please seek out one of Valve's customer support forums for assistance
[00:17] <TJ-> note to self: when system suddenly runs slow the battery is exhausted and PC is about to shutdown!
[00:17] <ax562> all I did was boot into usb flash image and in "something else" option I first just created an ext4 at the end of my ssd hd.  Ubuntu told me it would not boot without efi partition.  I proceeded and it did not boot.
[00:17] <sarnold> TJ-: heh :)
 under efi I have two options "boot off ubuntu" or "ubuntu flash" .  "boot off ubuntu" doesn't work
 I do not get grub2 options like before where I can choose either ubuntu or windows
[00:18] <tomreyn> ^ TJ- welcome back, this is what you missed.
[00:18] <insom^> pragmaticenigma its linux specific... I don't have the problem in windows... its a proxy setup issue
[00:18] <ax562> tomreyn: thanks a lot !
[00:18] <ax562> btw I appreciate all the help y'all!
[00:18] <pragmaticenigma> insom^: It's still not an Ubuntu support question. Software provided through the Ubuntu Software Center is supported, applications installed from outside that network are not supported
[00:19] <ax562> Ubuntu 16.04 lts was running flawlessly.  I decided to finally upgrade and boom, i'm down.
[00:19] <ax562> it's always a good learning experience though
[00:19] <TJ-> ax562: you said there are multiple storage devices in that PC? It is possible the firmware itself cannot access the device with the EFI-SP on ... unusual but not unheard of, especially if the boot device was not factory installed or is not regular SATA (e.g. after-market NVMe)
[00:20] <ax562> I was expecting a smooth transition. doh
[00:20] <tomreyn> TJ-: also: <tomreyn> ax562: did you maybe make changes to your bios setup before you started installing ubuntu 18.04? <ax562> no
[00:20] <zylop> :D
[00:20] <zylop> ubuntu 14.04 FTW
[00:20] <ax562> haha
[00:21] <TJ-> ax562: *usually* if the PC firmware cannot access the storage device efibootmgr will fail with an error about unknown blk device
[00:21] <ax562> Tj: not sure.  I'm booting off ssd.  original hd drive is still in the lappy.  I just use it for audio and video game processing :p
[00:22] <TJ-> ax562: saw this recently installing into a Windows Hyper-V Linux guest where I'd used PCI-passthrough to attach 2 NVMe storage devices
[00:22] <zylop> yo ubuntu users dont hate bob marley
[00:22] <ax562> TJ: interesting
[00:22] <ax562> I believe that is my setup
[00:22] <Mibix> how can I view all usb information, I think this usb device is bootlooping but not sure how to use the loggin without dmesg
[00:23] <Mibix> *logging
[00:23] <Mibix> like the equivalent of tail -f /var/log/dmesg | grep USB
[00:23] <ax562> It's ssd 256 gb drive through mini-sata port
[00:23] <zylop> /set irc.server.freenode.globalkill on
[00:24] <ax562> It was running fine with ubuntu 16.04 though
[00:24] <tomreyn> !ot | zylop
[00:24] <zylop> ah you welcome
[00:25] <ax562> can I use terminal in any way to maybe identify issue or atleast provide more info?
[00:26] <tomreyn> Mibix: i'm not sure of a single command, but besides "usb" you can grep for "hci", and then for whatever the device provides, i.e a mass storage device would provide storage
[00:27] <ax562> right now I have an ssd with 4 different partitions. first is small 300 mb system partition, second is windows, third is 200mb efi partition and fourht is ext4 partition (18.04 lts installed).
[00:27] <TJ-> ax562: "efibootmgr -v" if booted in UEFI mode to report the PC's boot menu entries including paths ot files
[00:28] <ax562> Tj: https://pastebin.com/1wn6k0Tv
[00:29] <tomreyn> ax562:    sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999    or    sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999     may also be of help.
[00:30] <ax562> tomreyn: sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.https://termbin.com/g7x0y
[00:32] <tomreyn> so neither the 320 GB seagate disk (sda) nor the 250 GB samsung SSD have a a GPT partition table
[00:32] <ax562> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/dosm5
[00:34] <tomreyn> only  the WD My Passport 4TB disk (sdd) has a GPT
[00:34] <ax562> tomreyn: how can you tell?  Do they need them?
[00:34] <tomreyn> GPT would be needed to do UEFI booting.
[00:34] <ax562> tomreyn: that is used for storage mostly
[00:34] <JD-AK-907> I used PIP to install a package and have to specify the PIP PREFIX in a .conf file. If I didn't specify a prefix, what would it be? /user/local/ ?
[00:35] <JD-AK-907> the line in the .conf file reads: local_blocks_path = {PIP_PREFIX}/share/gnuradio/grc/blocks
[00:35] <ax562> Is that the only way I can boot 18.04 lts?
[00:36] <tomreyn> ax562: ubuntu 18.04 LTS can boot in either UEFI or legacy BIOS mode. from what you said I understood that you were trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 so that it would boot in UEFI mode.
[00:36] <JD-AK-907> I used "pip install digital_rf" at the terminal and didn't specify any location
[00:37] <ax562> tomreyn: that is what I thought I should install it in.  That's what I thought 16.04 lts installed as.
[00:37] <tomreyn> ax562: but since UEFI and BIOS booting are incompatible to one another, and you're doing multi-boot, you will need to install any operating system in one of the two modes, and the same one.
[00:38] <ax562> tomreyn: how can I tell which type each hd is?
[00:38] <tomreyn> ax562:i thionk you had windows 8.1. installed in BIOS mode, because i don't see a bootable EFI partition. if you would like to continue using this existing installation then the ubuntu installer will need to be booted and installed in BIOS mode, too.
[00:39] <tomreyn> ax562: look for "Partition Table:" at https://termbin.com/g7x0y
[00:39] <ax562> how can I do that?
[00:39] <tomreyn> !dualboot
[00:42] <ax562> tomreyn: I'm more confused lol
[00:43] <tomreyn> ax562: so to keep the windows installation usable, you need to make your mainboard firmware ("bios") boot the ubuntu installer media in legacy bios mode. how to do this exactly depends on your mainboard and its firmware. if the installer wants to create an EFI partition (ESP) then it is booted in UEFI mode, not what you want.
[00:43] <ax562> tomreyn: I see that both "partition tables" are msdos.  Does that mean they boot from BIOS?
[00:44] <tomreyn> ax562: if partition table is "msdos" it means that they are not "gpt" and thus no UEFI boot is possible off them, i.e. they cannot contain a bootable efi system partition.
[00:45] <ax562> I do see a "Legacy usb boot option" when I boot from "uefi usb flash".
[00:45] <ax562> ^when I boot into install
[00:45] <tomreyn> hmm, it could be that.
[00:46] <TJ-> tomreyn: that's not strictly correct; UEFO spec does mandate support for MSDOS/MBR :)
[00:46] <tomreyn> TJ-: doh, ok, i have never seen this happen though, have you?
[00:46] <ax562> TJ: thanks, even more confuse :)
[00:46] <TJ-> Yes :)
[00:47] <tomreyn> okay, then i'm happy to pass over to you again ;)
[00:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: the problem is many firmware authors do not read the spec and don't support it (despite it being in the EDK) so many folks assume UEFI doesn't support it
[00:47] <ax562> Ok so since both hard drive partition tables are msdos this mean both have to boot non eif boot loader?
[00:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: I was just providing info ... I have to go to bed :)
[00:48] <ax562> Tj: thanks!
[00:48] <tomreyn> TJ-: :) ok, i'll try to not let this additional info confuse me now, thanks though.
[00:48] <ax562> lol
[00:49] <ax562> tomreyn: welcome to the confused club.
[00:49] <tomreyn> ax562: you can run this from the live / installer system: echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[00:50] <tomreyn> fiddle with the mainboard firmware configuration until it says "BIOS", then do the installation.
[00:50] <ax562> echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOSThis system booted via: UEFI
[00:50] <tomreyn> and, of course, have backups
[00:50] <ax562> but that is giving me my flash drive info though?
[00:52] <tomreyn> ax562: /sys is a virtual file system, and a way to interact with the uefi firmware. this is only available when the system has booted in uefi mode, so this is a way to test how this system booted.
[00:52] <ax562> tomreyn: I have a clean backup of dual boot windows and 16.04 :)
[00:52] <tomreyn> good
[00:52] <ax562> tomreyn: wouldn't "this system" be "usb flash drive" though?
[00:52] <ax562> since that is what I booted into
[00:53] <tomreyn> yes, and if the usb flash drive contains the ubuntu installer then that's exactly what you need
[00:53] <tomreyn> it need to boot in the same mode you'll install in
[00:53] <TJ-> ax562: no, tomreyn  is talking about the *PC* which contains the boot firmware.
[00:53] <tomreyn> and you'll need to install in the same mode windows was installed in.
[00:53] <ax562> that's what I've been using to install ubuntu 18.04
[00:53] <TJ-> ax562: it's the code in the eeprom/flash on the motherboard
[00:54] <ax562> TJ: this is what checked it ? "echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS"
[00:55] <TJ-> ax562: yes, it indicates what mode the motherboard firmware booted the system in
[00:55] <ax562> so does that mean that windows and ubuntu also boot using "uefi"?
[00:55] <TJ-> ax562: we have to do this since in most cases an UEFI system has a Compatibilty Support mode (CSM) aka BIOS mode it cal fall back to using
[00:56] <tomreyn> cal -> can
[00:57] <TJ-> ax562: so if there were no OS installed in UEFI mode (so no files in EFI system partition and no entry in the boot manager) it may fallback to BIOS/MBR mode and read sector 0 of the 1st boot device
[00:57] <ax562> TJ: so does that mean my system is configured for "UEFI" but it's been using "BIOS"?
[00:58] <TJ-> ax562: possibly but the mode of the *current* boot doesn't indicate what mode *other* OS installs will use !
[00:58] <ax562> if that's the case it didn't like sector 0 because it never booted
[00:58] <TJ-> ax562: if you boot from the Ubuntu ISO live installer it will most likely boot in UEFI mode
[00:58] <ax562> TJ: I see
[00:58] <bencc1> I'm installing Ubuntu 18.04 on 120GB SSD and I have additional 1TB HDD.
[00:58] <ax562> That's what I'm in right now
[00:59] <bencc1> do I need to do something special during installation on the SSD? should I move some things to the HDD like the user home?
[00:59] <TJ-> ax562: in which case *if* it is in UEFI mode right now "efibootmgr -v" can report all the entries in the motherboard firmware's boot menu
[01:00] <ax562> Tj: https://pastebin.com/1wn6k0Tv
[01:00] <sarnold> neat, I havben't seen efibootmgr -v before
[01:01] <TJ-> ax562: and there you go. Look at the BootOrder shows 0000 is the first to be tried, and that has "Boot0000* ubuntu    HD(4,MBR,0x93d7aabb,0x1701d000,0x64000)/File(\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi)"
[01:01] <tomreyn> bencc1: if this is the only operating system you will have then i'd just install it to the SSD and maybe add the HDD as additional storage later. it's probably the easiest way to go about it.
[01:02] <ax562> Tj: What does that mean?
[01:02] <tomreyn> bencc1: also, still if it'S the only operating system, then i suggest you prefer a UEFI installation over a BIOS installation wince UEFI is replacing BIOS nowadays and you'd thus gain forward compatibility. (it's not super important though.)
[01:03] <bencc1> tomreyn: yes, I'll only have ubuntu installed
[01:04] <ax562> Tj: so what I was thinking of doing is deleteing both "efi" and "ext4" partition and rebooting into "Legacy usb" mode and hopefully get 18.04 lts installed that way.
[01:04] <bencc1> tomreyn: never heard of UEFI installation.
[01:04] <bencc1> tomreyn: should I put my user's home on the HDD?
[01:04] <tomreyn> bencc1: also make sure you're using a recently downloaded ubuntu installer, i.e. 18.04.3.
[01:04] <bencc1> tomreyn: yes. I have 18.04.3
[01:05] <TJ-> ax562: notice the "MBR" in there telling us it is (trying to) read from partition 4 on an MBR
[01:05] <ax562> Tj: but it can't since it's efi right?
[01:06] <tomreyn> bencc1: HDDs are a lot slower than SSDs, as you know. if most of the data you'll move around will sit in /home then maybe you don't want this on the HDD. on the other hand, you may want to have a lot of space for the HDD. your mileage may vary.
[01:06]  * tomreyn senses that TJ will not get to sleep anytime soon
[01:07] <TJ-> ax562: in theory it should :)  tomreyn  is correct... I have to go to bed... nursing a Migraine here
[01:07] <bencc1> tomreyn: I have a lot of data and I thought that it's best practice to separate the OS from the data anyway
[01:07] <ax562> Tj: Thanks for all the help!
[01:08] <TJ-> tomreyn: ax562  maybe use the currently booted live env to create a chroot on that installed system and test/fix from the chroot
[01:08] <ax562> tomreyn: thanks also.  I will try this and report back :)
[01:08] <TJ-> ax562: "lsblk" to identify the device name of that EFI-SP
[01:08] <tomreyn> ax562: unless this is a server, not really.
[01:08] <tomreyn> ax562: ignore what i just wrote, wasnt for you
[01:08] <ax562> brb
[01:08] <tomreyn> bencc1: unless this is a server, not really.
[01:13] <TJ-> ax562: e.g. if you find the EFI-SP is /dev/sdc4 then you could do "sudo -i" then "DEV=/dev/sdc; P=4; mkdir /target; mount ${DEV}${P} /target; for n in proc sys dev; do mount --rbind /$n /target/$n; done;  chroot /target mount -a; chroot /target grub-install -v ${DEV}; chroot /target update-grub;" and check for errors and resolve them
[01:13] <TJ-> (i know they've gone but I have to go)
[01:14] <tomreyn> i really don't think this system booted either ubuntu 16.04 or windows 8.1 in uefi mode.
[01:15] <oerheks> does windows give an option to change to uefi?
[01:15] <oerheks> somehow i have this feeling that it is possible, post install
[01:15] <tomreyn> and the ESP is just there because of the failed 18.04 installation with custom partitioning on an existing MBR / mdos partitioned storage
[01:15] <tomreyn> yes, there's some utility for windows to do the conversion
[01:16] <TJ-> tomreyn: my guess is that "EFI-SP" is actually the installed system's ext4 root-fs
[01:16] <tomreyn> TJ-: which installed system?
[01:16] <TJ-> tomreyn: Boot0000 (which I assume is the 18.04)
[01:18] <TJ-> this is why I think mounting that file-system and checking it will reveal the issue
[01:18] <tomreyn> Boot0000 is what an ubuntu installer, booted in uefi mode, would create on a disk which is MBR partitioned, if it noticed it was booted in uefi mode, and needed to install on this disk
[01:19] <TJ-> No, as far as I can tell Boot0000 is the installed system, Boot000A is the currently booted live installer
[01:19] <tomreyn> ...and it was not taked to create a new partition table there, due to the user choosing to partition themself
[01:20] <tomreyn> *tasked
[01:20] <tomreyn> well, either way, i think we can agree this won't work as it is
[01:21] <tomreyn> it *theoretically* could, but probably won't. :)
[01:22] <TJ-> yeah :D
[01:22] <TJ-> right, I'm off!
[01:23] <ax562> back
[01:23] <ax562> Things are looking promising :)
[01:23] <tomreyn> good, good :)
[01:23] <sarnold> woot
[01:25] <ax562> what do y'all think of 16.04 vs 18.04?
[01:28] <veebox> ax 20.04 is almost out!
[01:32] <ax562> oh wow lol
[01:32] <ax562> I might just be running this for a few months lol
[01:33] <tomreyn> it may take until late summer until you'll be able to upgrade 18.04 LTS to 20.04.1 LTS.
[01:40] <p0a> Hello when I alt-tab between windows' it flickers, does anyone know how I can fix that>?
[01:42] <tomreyn> !details
[01:45] <p0a> Well I alt-tab between fullscreen emacs/firefox and it flickers, it doesn't flicker when I alt-tab between 2 emacs windows
[01:45] <p0a> by flicker I mean that the emacs window comes up but for a brief moment I catch a glimpse of the firefox windows
[01:46] <p0a> This didn't happen in 19.04, before upgrading
[01:52] <tomreyn> p0a: i've got to leave it there for now (need sleep), but for anyone to help it'd help to provide at least the ubuntu release you're currently running ( lsb_release -ds ), the graphics hardware you have there and the driver you're using ( lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999 )
[01:55] <p0a> tomreyn: thank you
[01:57] <p0a> here is that information: https://pastebin.com/KMpuEwB8
[02:00] <sarnold> p0a: when did you first start noticing this?
[02:00] <sarnold> p0a: I've heard the recent i915 security fixes introduced performance problems
[02:00] <oerheks> indeed, certainly for the 2nd gen
[02:01] <p0a> sarnold: when I upgraded to 19.10
[02:01] <p0a> which was a couple weeks ago
[02:01] <sarnold> p0a: oh, hmm. that might be unrelated then
[02:01] <oerheks> but .. it runs, so that is great.
[02:01] <sarnold> I haven't rebooted into a new kernel lately so I'm not sure just how bad it gets
[02:02] <p0a> I was kinda mad about that upgrade
[02:02] <p0a> I kept getting messages pestering me about upgrading to a new version of ubuntu
[02:02] <p0a> only to be tricked into upgrading from LTS to 19.10
[02:03] <oerheks> i think it is due to the newer intel-microcode
[02:03] <p0a> I also cancelled the upgrade with the 'x' button but my sources.list did not revert back to normal
[02:03] <p0a> so my next apt-get upgrade triggered a full upgrade
[02:03] <sarnold> p0a: ew :(
[02:04] <p0a> sarnold: yeah it was a wombo combo
[02:14] <Kow> Anyone know why nouveau (nvidia open source driver) does not work with Ubuntu? If I leave modeset enabled, Xorg uses the modesetting driver. If I set nouvea.modeset=0, nouveau attempts to load but fails because /dev/dri/card0 does not exist
[02:14] <Kow> Note: This is being experienced with all currently released Ubuntu livecds
[02:15] <Kow> kinda hard to use open source when the open source option doesn't work.
[02:18] <Kow> meh i'll just bite the bullet and use proprietary - this is exactly why open source will never win
[02:19] <sarnold> what happens when you do the install and don't install the extra drivers?
[02:21] <Bashing-om> Kow: "nomodeset" disables Kernel Mode Setting. No external driver will load, in addition to other things also disabled. Have you tried the proprietary driver for you rcard ?
[02:21] <Kow> Bashing-om: I don't want to use proprietary. If i wanted to use proprietary i'd just delete linux and go back to Windows.
[02:21] <Kow> So nouveau is broken? and nouveau is the only open source nvidia driver (aside from modesetting)?
[02:22] <Kow> so 2+2 -> there is no working open source linux nvidia driver?
[02:23] <oerheks> Kow what videocard is this?
[02:24] <Kow> take your pick.. tried on multiple computers: GeForce 1070M (laptop) or GeForce 1650 (desktop)
[02:24] <Bashing-om> Kow: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ lspci -k | grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' >> GK208B [GeForce GT 710] >> Kernel driver in use: nouveau" No issues here with nouveau:)
[02:24] <Kow> for the record, AMDGPU works rock solid out of the box
[02:25] <Kow> man linux has taken a 180 over the last decade. ATI/AMD used to be the joke now it seems to be nvidia
[02:27] <oerheks> maybe your system needs a os option https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[02:27] <oerheks> but nomodeset should work on both cards i guess.
[02:27] <p0a> Kow: compiz turnaround
[02:29] <Kow> guys I have tried the ubuntu livecd on multiple computers with nvidia cards and 100% of them have failed to use nouveau in the ubuntu livecds
[02:29] <Kow> This is an ubuntu problem, not hardware
[02:29] <Kow> (nouveau works fine in archlinux)
[02:29] <Kow> (on all referenced computers)
[02:30] <oerheks> interesting, what is the difference? old kernel/i915 ?
[02:33] <Kow> not sure.. ubuntu applies so much sauce to their kernels I'm sure that is where the issue is
[02:33] <Kow> easy solution.. delete ubuntu livecd and use archlinux i guess
[02:35] <Kow> half the internet is stating nouveau.modeset=0 is needed for nouveau to load, but the other half of the internet says modeset must be enabled for nouveau to work. So i guess that means novueau just doesn't work since there is no 3rd option - either modeset is enabled or it isnt
[03:19] <edenist> Anastasius
[03:20] <lotuspsychje_> edenist: can we help you?
[03:20] <edenist> sorry lotuspsychje_, wrong chan ;-)
[03:31] <dpill11> Hello! Wondering if anyone can help me with an installation issue I'm having. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS on a HP ProLiant DL360 G7. During the initial boot I receive the error "can't load firmware file bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-6.2.1b.fw" ... I was able to locate the firmware files and I've tried placing them in the root directory and into
[03:31] <dpill11> /firmware directory that I made on the USB drive that has the install for Ubuntu. For some reason the install can't find the file and I'm wondering if anyone has some suggestions on how to get the install to see the firmware file.  Thanks in advanced.
[03:36] <oerheks> seems like this issue https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/350350/ubuntu-16-10-not-recognising-bnx2-network-interfaces
[03:38] <dpill11> yep but i'm trying to install the firmware during install
[03:38] <dpill11> i was able to get it do it when I installed Debian 10 but I want to use Ubuntu now. I found this website that says place it in the root or /firmware but it's not seeing the filies
[03:39] <dpill11> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/arm64/ch06s04.html
[03:39] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too
[03:58] <JustTheDoctor> quick question, if i have a command like this : curl -X GET "https://api.coingecko.com/api/v3/global" -H "accept: application/json" <-- can i simply do a > filename and have the reply put into a file?
[05:00] <ax562> back
[05:00] <ax562> took a minute
[05:01] <ax562> After that fresh install I still couldn't boot.    I'm up and running no in ubuntu 18.04 lts though :p
[05:02] <ax562> tomreyn: Thank you!
[05:02] <ax562> Tj: Thank you!
[07:18] <oerheks> thank you for flying #freenode
[07:19] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[08:21] <Dirkos> Due some odd reason my ubuntu 19.10 is not recognizing my external display anymore via HDMI
[08:21] <Dirkos> anyone who can assist me with this? All is up-to-date on OS level
[08:22] <Dirkos> Using the nvidia 435 driver. Also tried the native Nouveau driver but same outcome
[08:24] <Dirkos> sorry, got a gnome restart so my browser closed
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: can you journalctl -f and plug out, back in your hdmi cable from your external screen and pastebin the output to the channel please
[08:38] <Dirkos> lotuspsychje empty
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: tryed another cable yet?
[08:39] <Dirkos> yeah, and my other notebook just works fine
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: how about the Fn key + screen switch F button?
[08:41] <Dirkos> lotuspsychje nothing
[08:41] <Dirkos> it is also not seeing the display at all in my settings
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a please
[08:43] <Dirkos> lotuspsychjehttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xw5fg7TjTZ/
[08:43] <Dirkos> lotuspsychje https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xw5fg7TjTZ/
[08:45] <Dirkos> Xrand is also showing me: HDMI-1-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: did this all happen after something, like updates for example?
[08:45] <Dirkos> yeah it auto updates sometimes
[08:45] <nokia3210> i lost all my icons after an update yesterday
[08:46] <Dirkos> but i recently had it after a kernel upgrade as well
[08:46] <nokia3210> somehow it uninstalled the gtk icons pack
[08:46] <Dirkos> reverted after that but that isnt working at this point as well
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: reverted?
[08:46] <konrados> Hey, I have a notice that there is an update of Linux-generic-hwe, I don't have any backups right now (my backup disks died), is this 100% safe, in current circumstances to install it?
[08:47] <oerheks> konrados, yes, i noticed 5.3 for hwe too, upgrade went oke.
[08:47] <Dirkos> lotuspsychje booted the older kernel
[08:47] <konrados> oerheks, ok, thanks!
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: did you check your nvidia-settings? perhaps try switch powersaving vs performance if your card is optimus?
[08:48] <Dirkos> lotuspsychje yeah i checked nvidia-settings but no idea where to look there to be honest
[08:49] <Dirkos> i now set him to auto anyway (was performance all the time)
[08:49] <Max0815> Also had some problems since wednesday, screen resolution was 1024x768 suddenly on a 1080p screen. Fix it by adding 1920x1080 again with xrandr
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> Dirkos: ok so last idea, try a liveusb see if you can make external work there
[08:51] <Dirkos> yeah dont really have any but ok
[08:51] <Dirkos> Im checking the nvidia forum threads as well and soo many people still complaining that it is not working with the same
[08:52] <JadedJ> I'm running ubuntu 16 with no GUI, how do I diagnose why I don't have any internet connectivity?
[08:52] <JadedJ> I'm running a USB wifi adapter
[08:57] <TXC> JadedJ: nmcli
[08:58] <TXC> JadedJ: "nmcli c" for saved connections, "nmcli d wifi list" to see available hotspots or "sudo iwlist <interface> scanning"
[09:00] <JadedJ> my internet was working fine for 2 days,
[09:00] <JadedJ> today it just suddenly stopped working
[09:01] <JadedJ> I'm running ubuntu server
[09:05] <oerheks> so, those comands give no output?
[09:05] <oerheks> !paste
[09:05] <TXC> JadedJ: Do you have nmcli available? Or iwconfig ?
[09:07] <JadedJ> nmcli tells me to install network-manager
[09:07] <TXC> Hard to do without network :P Can you use cable?
[09:07] <Kon-> !pkg xserver-xorg-core-hwe-18.04
[09:08] <Kon-> !pkginfo xserver-xorg-core-hwe-18.04
[09:08] <JadedJ> iwconfig says im connected to the access point
[09:09] <Kon-> !info xserver-xorg-core-hwe-18.04
[09:09] <Kon-> !help
[09:09] <Kon-> Finally
[09:13] <TXC> JadedJ: Do you have a IP? Is your DNS set? Can you ping internal and external ?
[09:14] <TXC> JadedJ: Do you know what subnet you are on? Eventually set an temporary static ip, in case the dhcp server is not running.
[09:14] <MJCD> lol whut
[09:17] <JadedJ> The subnet I'm trying to connect to is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:17] <JadedJ> I already have an IP address and the wifi is connected to the access point
[09:18] <TXC> JadedJ: Can you ping the gateway?
[09:18] <JadedJ> But when I ping <IP_ADDRESS>, it says the destination host is unreachable
[09:18] <JadedJ> I can't even ping the gateway
[09:18] <JadedJ> It might just be an issue with the driver
[09:19] <JadedJ> Shall I try unplugging the usb wifi adapter and plug it it back in?
[09:20] <TXC> JadedJ: Try that
[09:20] <JadedJ> But thats so fustrating though
[09:20] <TXC> JadedJ: how come?
[09:20] <JadedJ> I currently have this machine setup as a router
[09:21] <oerheks> you could keep asing questions and not try that..
[09:21] <JadedJ> It takes a wifi connection and shares it via the ethernet interface
[09:21] <TXC> JadedJ: Do the wifi and ethernet share subnet?
[09:22] <TXC> Maybe it's ip conflict
[09:22] <JadedJ> No differenet subnets
[09:22] <JadedJ> *different
[09:22] <JadedJ> It was working fine for 48 hours
[09:22] <JadedJ> Today it decided to just stop working
[09:23] <JadedJ> The wifi is controlled by wpa_supplicant and dhclient
[09:23] <JadedJ> I followed this guide, but adapted it for ubuntu 16
[09:23] <JadedJ> https://www.ascinc.com/blog/linux/how-to-build-a-simple-router-with-ubuntu-server-18-04-1-lts-bionic-beaver/
[09:26] <jeremy31> JadedJ: did you have to install a package to get the wifi adapter to work to begin with?
[09:26] <JadedJ> no
[09:26] <JadedJ> it worked out of the box
[09:28] <JadedJ> here is the info for the wifi adapter
[09:28] <JadedJ> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath9k_htc driverversion=4.4.0-171-generic firmware=1.4
[09:28] <JadedJ> ^from sudo lshw -C network
[09:29] <oerheks> sudo systemctl status networking  might give a clue
[09:31] <JadedJ> hmmm
[09:32] <JadedJ> So I can ping the gateway now
[09:33] <JadedJ> But now I'm not sure which command fixed it
[09:33] <JadedJ> sudo service wpa_supplicant restart
[09:33] <JadedJ> or
[09:33] <aivit> there is something that keeps changing the permissions of '/opt/rclone/rclone.conf' to root ownership. how do i found out what is doing it
[09:33] <JadedJ> sudo service networking restart
[09:33] <JadedJ> I will wait till it goes down again in the future, and try one command and wait a while
[09:35] <TXC> Hopefully it won't :)
[09:36] <snpresent> hope canonical can release an archlinux based ubuntu edition
[09:38] <TXC> Why? Archlinux exists already :)
[09:38] <snpresent> ubuntu based on archlinux  i mean
[09:39] <oerheks> or arch based on ubuntulinux ..
[09:39] <oerheks> come on, keep the channel free for support
[09:41] <Aviv> I have HPE DL380 Gen10 with 6.7TB Disk size (SSD). When I install Ubuntu 18.04 server I see the full disk size, when I try to install Ubuntu 16.04 I only see 124.1GB of the size. Any thoughts?
[09:42] <ryuo> Aviv: why do you need to use 16.04? it's EOL in about 15 months.
[09:42] <ryuo> a server that new might require 18.04 to get full coverage.
[09:43] <Aviv> ryuo, Because some project of TensorFlow that I need it to be on 16.04
[09:43] <ryuo> Aviv: could you use a container for that?
[09:43] <Aviv> Nope, must be bare metal for deep learning
[09:43] <ryuo> err... containers aren't a VM. they use the same kernel as the host.
[09:44] <Aviv> I know I know, it's something very specific
[09:44] <ryuo> did you try 16.04 with the HWE kernel?
[09:44] <Aviv> Can't understand why 16.04 cannot see my full disk
[09:44] <Aviv> Nope
[09:44] <Aviv> Will try now
[09:44] <ryuo> iirc, the boot media has an option to boot the HWE kernel.
[09:45] <ryuo> i presume you're using the latest ISO for 16.04 server
[09:45] <ryuo> .6 or w/e it's at now.
[09:46] <Aviv> Yep
[09:46] <ryuo> any difference?
[09:46] <Aviv> On it now :)
[09:47] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1012002/raid-disk-size-is-less-than-display-in-ssa-on-hp-proliant-dl380-gen10
[09:47] <oerheks> might be your answer
[09:49] <Aviv> To use 04.3 then?
[09:50] <Aviv> I'll try now with 06 first
[09:50] <ryuo> newer should work.
[09:50] <ryuo> that's minimum.
[09:50] <Aviv> I am doing it via iLO so it a little bit slow
[09:50] <Aviv> can't wait to see if it works, on it for 2 days already
[09:51] <ryuo> Aviv: always try HWE if you have issues, especially with very recent hardware.
[09:55] <Aviv> Thanks ryuo!! Working
[09:55] <Aviv> One more question - which is more stable CUDA 10-1 or 10-2?
[10:00] <ryuo> Aviv: no experience with CUDA.
[10:02] <Aviv> Thanks !
[10:04] <bingbongsong> Hey, i have a weird issue. I'm running Ubuntu LTS as a VmWare ESXI VM since one year back. Have worked great. Today not so much. Suddenly it is in read-only mode saying "Physical disk NOT OK BAD".
[10:04] <bingbongsong> Have checked physical disk of server, no issues, everything else works fine. Rebooted the Linux VM and problem persist. Tried recovery mode. But can't even run FSCK there.
[10:17] <ztane> how do I disable the font scaling on ubuntu 18.04.
[10:17] <ztane> it is *never* ok to change it to 200 % in any configuration that I have...
[10:18] <ztane> and yet every time I change any display configuration, attach anything external I *always* get 200 % even though I *never* want it.
[10:27] <TomyWork> what you're saying is that you don't have a 4k display?
[10:32] <ztane> TomyWork: I have high-dpi display that I do not want to use as high-dpi
[10:33] <ztane> I found that, I need to use gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor 1 and gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides "[{'Gdk/WindowScalingFactor', <1>}]"
[10:33] <ztane> and at least it does not seem to change them all the time.
[10:35] <ztane> of course gnome's antiusability hits me again.
[10:41] <TomyWork> ztane, did you set the display's full resolution?
[10:42] <TomyWork> if you did, what you're saying is that actually 200% is okay in the configuration you have, for most people and that you just have a non-standard use case where you want tiny fonts on a high-dpi display
[10:44] <TomyWork> ztane, https://askubuntu.com/questions/906797/scaling-gnome-login-screen-on-hidpi-display some of this might be helpful
[10:58] <aiena> I am on ubuntu 16.04 suddenly the server logs in as guest. I have not changed any configuration what should I check?
[10:59] <aiena> many solutions suggest addind custom config to lightdm to enable autologin but I checked if any custom files were put there are there is nothing.
[11:05] <rudeguy> hello
[11:05] <rudeguy> i've downloaded the man pages for c programming, but i've noticed there are some missing
[11:05] <rudeguy> (for example, the stdlib man page)
[11:05] <rudeguy> is it possible to download the missing ones?
[11:26] <bhante> Can someone help me get golden dictionary working?
[11:39] <JustLandedOnMars> hi
[11:40] <JustLandedOnMars> so how long there will be official 32bit ubuntu ?
[11:45] <TXC> JustLandedOnMars: As long as the community want it and hardware exists.
[11:45] <TXC> JustLandedOnMars: Is suppose you mean i386 support, since there are other hardware that run 32bit
[11:46] <JustLandedOnMars> also, how much RAM 32bit can support up to ?
[11:46] <TXC> around 3GB
[11:46] <JustLandedOnMars> I have 6GB and it sees it all
[11:47] <TXC> Then your kernel support PAE which supports up to 64GB
[11:47] <TXC> and CPU.
[11:55] <ircExile> cool stuff about pae and 32bit gentlemen
[11:56] <ircExile> I like 32bit support as well.
[12:26] <jackhum> i am trying to upgrade my 16.04 to 18.04 , but even after resolving all apt-update ppa errors , i am still getting install all available updates for your release before upgrading
[12:27] <jackhum> i manually , unticked all the ppas which were conflicting with update , 404 errors and release key not found errors .
[12:27] <jackhum> but i am not able to upgrade my dist still
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:50] <Teikoman_fi> (Not sure if more question to ubuntu-server but same issue should be also on desktop etc) Does someone have experience with Hetzner dediboxes and Ubuntu 18.04 running KVM with uvt-kvm etc?  Is it normal that both virsh and uvt-kvm is unable to get ip address of the vms? Pretty sure I am missing something but ehh 90% of the ubuntu guides etc are <-
[12:50] <Teikoman_fi> 18.04 and use the interfaces file instead of netplan so I am no longer sure what I am missing.
[12:50] <jackhum> do-release-upgrade -c  , gives me new version available 18.04.3 , but when i do do-release-upgrade it repeatedly prompts me to do all the upgrades first, please help
[12:51] <Teikoman_fi> I am on 18.04.3
[12:51] <Teikoman_fi> oh nvm sry read too fast
[12:51] <jackhum> when doing sudo apt-get upgrade , i have this message where it says one package has been kept back
[13:07] <k_sze> Is there a way to use badblocks so that I can resume a scan later?
[13:09] <k_sze> e.g. I call badblocks with -s -v. If I interrupt badblocks, will I get to know the last scanned block?
[13:09] <ircExile> thanks k_sze, I forgot that I could run badblocks
[13:10] <k_sze> I don't know why it's sooo slow.
[13:10] <k_sze> I'm running it on a 1 TB 2.5" HDD, on a USB 3 dock that does UASP.
[13:11] <ircExile> man I don't keep up with tech does the usap stuff make it faster
[13:11] <ircExile> badblocks is supposed to run lots of different patterns to make sure the sector is ok
[13:12] <k_sze> UASP is supposed to be faster than using USB block storage
[13:13] <rudeguy> i've downloaded the man pages for c programming, but i've noticed some are missing (for example, stdlib). is it possible to download them?
[13:13] <k_sze> because it's doing SCSI protocol directly over USB
[13:15] <k_sze> At this rate it's going to take 35 hours to scan the 1 TB disk, what the hell?
[13:15] <k_sze> Is that even normal for badblocks?
[13:16] <ioria> from the man page seems that you can specify the start and last block k_sze , so you can run it in chunks
[13:19] <k_sze> ioria, yes, but I wonder if it will report the last scanned block number if I interrupt it. -s -v shows percentage, not block number.
[13:19] <ice9> how much performance loss between using the discrete card as primary GPU and using PRIME?
[13:19] <k_sze> I guess there's only one way to find out.
[13:19] <k_sze> `Interrupted at block 71173696` nice
[13:19] <ircExile> I wonder if you should specify the sector size
[13:19] <ioria> rudeguy, probably you want manpages-posix-dev
[13:20] <k_sze> ircExile, that's one thing I don't understand about badblocks.
[13:20] <rudeguy> ioria: i've downloaded that one too
[13:21] <k_sze> Like, if the disk is fully AF with no 512-byte fallback and the controller doesn't support 512-byte I/O either, and I specify -b 512, what would happen?
[13:21] <geirha> rudeguy: man stdlib.h
[13:22] <ioria> rudeguy, the man page is there
[13:22] <rudeguy> oh
[13:22] <rudeguy> i'm not sure why have i never tried this
[13:23] <Teikoman_fi> is there a reason why I cannot find newer package of network manager with apt-cache policy? even when trying to run updates etc it still tells me that 1.10.6-1.2 is latest when the latest should be according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+changelog 1.22.1-1
[13:25] <Habbie> Teikoman_fi, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=network-manager
[13:26] <ioria> there is no 1.10.6-1.2 is  in the repos
[13:26] <ircExile> k_sze: what settings did you use? destructive or leave the same data?
[13:27] <Teikoman_fi> ioria: it's in the bionic updates section and should have been more precise-> 1.10.6-2ubuntu1.2:
[13:28] <Teikoman_fi> and uhh this looks sad, I really was looking forward to the bridging stuff and not really a fan of going 19.10 with dedibox :D
[13:31] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] Getting following error while I try to install xchat
[13:31] <Hanumaan> ```The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:31] <Hanumaan>  xchat : Depends: libtcl8.6 (>= 8.6.0) but it is not installable
[13:31] <Hanumaan>          Recommends: xchat-indicator but it is not installable
[13:31] <Hanumaan> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.```
[13:32] <ioria> Hanumaan, apt-cache policy libtcl8.6 | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:33] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker, https://termbin.com/zfnu
[13:34] <ioria> !info libtcl8.6
[13:35] <ioria> Hanumaan, what's your ubuntu release ?
[13:39] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker, Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[13:40] <ioria> Hanumaan, i suggest to check your sources.list
[13:40] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker, here it is
[13:40] <Hanumaan> ``` cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:40] <Hanumaan> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic multiverse universe
[13:40] <Hanumaan> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security multiverse universe
[13:40] <Hanumaan> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates multiverse universe
[13:40] <Hanumaan> deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic stable
[13:40] <Hanumaan> # deb-src [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic stable```
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | Hanumaan
[13:42] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NrqtTTbFb3/
[13:43] <ioria> Hanumaan, you can see you don't have main
[13:44] <ioria> Hanumaan, and that's not really a default 'sources.list'
[13:45] <Teikoman_fi> Uhh I wish there was visible reason why 18.04 was "skipped" from getting 1.20 or it might appear someday in the future.
[13:45] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker, could the default one be also in different location?
[13:45] <ioria> in general ? nope
[13:48] <leftyfb> Hanumaan: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6VKQgzdvQv/
[13:48] <leftyfb> Hanumaan: replace what you have with that
[13:50] <leftyfb> Hanumaan: also, what is with this "[Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker" at the beginning
[13:53] <Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] leftyfb, in my organization IRC is blocked I"m coming to IRC via sameroom-slack and it is adding that prefix I suppose
[14:01] <akmal25> hi
[14:01] <nyex> hello, friends :) i have an nvidia card that was working with the driver from the graphics-driver ppa, but then xorg updated something and now the nvidia driver doesn't load anymore. that happened already, and i fixed it. but i don't remember how.
[14:01] <nyex> i think the fix had something to do with updating the nvidia driver to a newer one, but i'm not sure. now i have the 410 installed
[14:05] <akmal25> hey guys i am using ubuntu 16.04. i just installed it yesterday.
[14:05] <akmal25> i am having problem in opening any video with vlc player
[14:06] <akmal25> as soon as i open any video vlc closes immedetly.
[14:06] <Cheez> that goes end of life next year, you should seriously consider 18.04
[14:07] <akmal25> i am planing to install 20.04 directly as soon as it comes out
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: I would also agree with Cheez ... Install 18.04... you will have to install 18.04 to get to 20.04 anyways
[14:08] <akmal25> anyway when i open the video from terminal i get this error
[14:08] <akmal25> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
[14:08] <akmal25> [0000000001ac2148] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[14:08] <akmal25> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:09] <akmal25> will downloading 20.04 iso wouldn't work?
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: This isn't anyway moment. We're having difficulty understanding why you're not willing to take the advice given.
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> 20.04 is not supported here
[14:11] <akmal25> ok i will upgrade when i get solution for this vlc problem
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: We're not recommended an upgrade... we're recommended you start with a fresh install of 18.04
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> Also, errors like that are common when you install software that isn't provided through the Ubuntu software repository. Which means your VLC install is not supported
[14:12] <akmal25> vlc is in ubuntu software install
[14:12] <akmal25> i installed it from there
[14:13] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: then lets approach it from a different point of view. The volunteers here are primarily running 18.04 and 19.10 ... They're going to provide better assistance if you're running the same version
[14:13] <akmal25> pragmaticenigma: oops
[14:15] <akmal25> btw is there any difference between 18.04 and 19.10 aside from one is Long support version
[14:17] <akmal25> which one would you prefer?
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: The versions of applications in each successive release of Ubuntu are newer
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> Traditionally a Linux distribution keeps the same versions of applications through its support cycle, only updated the existing version for bugs and security updates. So think of Ubuntu versions of snapshots of the software that is included
[14:20] <leftyfb> akmal25: try removing the vlc from apt and install the snap
[14:20] <akmal25> leftyfb: how to do that?
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: 16.04 came with VLC version 2.2 ... 18.04 has VLC version 3.0
[14:20] <leftyfb> akmal25: sudo apt remove --purge vlc && sudo snap install vlc
[14:21] <akmal25> pragmaticenigma: i didn't had any vlc when i installed the OS.
[14:22] <leftyfb> akmal25: the snap version of vlc in 16.04 is 3.0.8. Try it
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> akmal25: came with => offered with
[14:22] <akmal25> leftyfb: will i have to download repository first
[14:22] <leftyfb> akmal25: huh?
[14:23] <leftyfb> akmal25: download what repository? You mean snap is updating it's cache of available packages?
[14:24] <akmal25> leftyfb: what is snap? i dont know
[14:24] <leftyfb> akmal25: sudo apt remove --purge vlc && sudo snap install vlc
[14:24] <leftyfb> akmal25: snap is another type of packages
[14:24] <akmal25> leftyfb: ok i am running it now
[14:27] <leftyfb> akmal25: really though, since you just installed this yesterday and things aren't working out of the box, something didn't go right and you should install again with 18.04 from scratch.
[14:28] <leftyfb> akmal25: is there a specific reason you installed 16.04 and don't want to install 18.04 instead?
[14:28] <akmal25> leftyfb: well i downloaded the iso file last year but never used it
[14:29] <akmal25> i tried it in Virtualbox for some time
[14:29] <akmal25> and forgot about it
[14:31] <akmal25> now i am using it with dual boot
[14:34] <leftyfb> akmal25: go download 18.04 and use that instead
[14:34] <leftyfb> akmal25: please do not private messages unless asked to do so
[14:35] <akmal25> leftyfb: sorry
[14:36] <akmal25> leftyfb: anyway what about 19.10 version i mean 20.04 version will be available in like 5 or 6 months so should i download 19.10
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> akmal25: feel free to join #ubuntu+1 and help test the devel version of 20.04
[14:37] <leftyfb> akmal25: stick with LTS versions. They are more stable, supported for longer and are made to upgrade to the next LTS easier and cleaner.
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: not a good idea for someone just starting to use Linux/Ubuntu
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> i didnt say replace, help test could be another machine
[14:37] <leftyfb> akmal25: you should install 18.04 and then upgrade to 20.04 after it's released if you like.
[14:38] <akmal25> leftyfb: ok
[14:40] <Cheery> I just had an issue with modemmanager because it's trying to chatter with every serial port it finds.
[14:40] <Cheery> according to the records the problem has been persisting for 4 years and occassionally misattributed to different other things.
[14:41] <Cheery> could you finally DONT install modemmanager in default distribution?
[14:41] <leftyfb> Cheery: file a bug
[14:42] <leftyfb> Cheery: this is community support. We cannot do anything with recommended changes to the distribution
[14:48] <sixecho> on 5.3... is there a fresher apt repository?  need rustc 1.39+ and only rustc 1.37 in the repo :(
[14:49] <leftyfb> sixecho: 5.3 is a kernel version, not ubuntu version
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> sixecho: usually we advice to not mix package versions from different ubuntu versions
[14:50] <leftyfb> sixecho: only rustc 1.37 is available in ubuntu 18.04.
[14:50] <leftyfb> !latest | sixecho
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> sixecho: can you tell the volunteers wich ubuntu version you have, and why you need the higher package version for?
[14:53] <sixecho> lotuspsychje:  i'm on 19.10... trying to compile a rust project for testing; and one of the dependent libs errors on compile b/c the dependent function is not marked as stable.  it is in rustc 1.39+
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> sixecho: we also dont advice & support own compiled packages, can you use !backports or !snaps on your system?
[15:00] <sixecho> lotuspsychje: i will look into that, thanks
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> sixecho: 20.04 gives version 1.38 so i assume also no dice in your case?
[15:07] <ice9> how much performance loss between using the discrete card as primary GPU and using PRIME?
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ice9: come discuss in #ubuntu+1 please
[15:08] <ice9> lotuspsychje, sure but why?
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ice9: its a discussion poll
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ice9: #ubuntu-discuss sorry
[15:08] <hggdh> ice9: because your question is not really a support question
[16:39] <Industrial> Hi. When I open an ISO file with "Disk Image Mounter" then I see it in the sidebar in Nautilus
[16:39] <Industrial> but my user has no rights to read the mounted disk
[16:39] <Industrial> How do I fix that
[16:40] <Industrial> It's being mounted to /media/<user>
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> Industrial: Does Disk Image Mounter ask you for sudo permissions? (Prompt for password on launch?)
[16:45] <Industrial> pragmaticenigma: No, it doesn't
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> Industrial: can you access it through the command line? and see the contents of the disk?
[16:56] <max12345> hello, a program selected my hdmi monitor as audio output instead of the regular plug. I want that to never ever happen, how do I set that?
[16:57] <max12345> I have found the volume controls, I just basically want to delete hdmi as an option
[16:57] <max12345> or make it default to nothing over the hdmi.
[17:01] <acetakwas> I run Ubuntu on Virtualbox, but Chrome freezes intermittently.
[17:01] <acetakwas> Anyone has this experience?
[17:02] <newdimension> When you have a command that keeps running (e.g. tail -f foo.txt), you have a blinking _. Why does the terminal allow input? I'm guessing it's to account for the case for when the process allows for arguments?
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> max12345: you can set the preferred output, but you will not be able to "delete" the output or hide it. If an application is overriding that setting, then the application itself will need to be configured to the desired output.
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> newdimension: To disable the cursor would also disable the ability to interupt those processes with "Ctrl + C" or "Ctrl + Break" ... for more information on why, you would have to contact the developer/group of the application to find out their reasoning.
[17:05] <newdimension> pragmaticenigma: Good point
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> acetakwas: Virtualized machines are always going to run slower and experience lag. They are a guest to the hosting OS and subject to the same rules as other applications running on the host machine. For better performance, you can sometimes tweak the settings of the virtual machine.
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> acetakwas: Also, if your computer BIOS has an option for Virtual Machine optimization (different manufacturers have different names) make sure it is enabled. That will help allow the Virtual machine have more direct access to the computers hardware, and bypass the some of the Host OS resource restrictions
[17:10] <acetakwas> pragmaticenigma: Thanks for the points. I do have a pretty decent machine. (16GB RAM, i7: 6 Core, 12 Logical Processors)
[17:11] <acetakwas> It's my work computer.
[17:11] <acetakwas> The VM is quite fine for everything else. At least after several re-installs and tweaks (also tried Hyper-V, which was a trouble to use).
[17:12] <acetakwas> But Chrome just freezes every few seconds.
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> acetakwas: Unfortunately Chrome support isn't available here. There are tweaks and settings that you can try, but you will have to consult a forum / support channel that supports Chrome
[17:22] <acetakwas> pragmaticenigma: I understand. Can you suggest any?
[17:27] <diverdude> Hi, i am getting this error: E: Release file for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 1h 31min 35s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.         When i run this cmd: apt-get update --fix-missing && apt-get install -y     build-essential     bzip2     gfortran     git     libgl1-mesa-glx     mercurial     && rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*   what does that mean?
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> diverdude: Possibly means the mirror is being updated and you need to wait for a while before trying again
[17:29] <tomreyn> or your system time is incorrect (run "date")
[17:29] <ioria> sounds timectl issue ...
[17:30] <johnfg> hi folks
[17:30] <ioria> diverdude, dual boot system ?
[17:31] <johnfg> brand new installation of ubuntu server 19.10.  I wanted a desktop, and had decided on xfce.
[17:31] <diverdude> ioria: no its just a normal single boot host system running centos
[17:32] <johnfg> To install it (or so I thought) I ran, 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'.
[17:32] <johnfg> But instead of xfce, it seems as though it's the ubuntu desktop!
[17:36] <ioria> diverdude, there's probably a mismatch between clock and your timezone
[17:37] <johnfg> Does xubuntu look like the unity desktop?  Looking at the xubuntu website, doesn't seem like it should.
[17:41] <agentjayjay> hello everyone.  I have ubuntu 18.04 and I didn't make any changes recently but now bluetooth headsets stop working.  They pair and trust, stay live for a minute or two and then disconnect (specifically, bluetooth toggles off and on)
[17:41] <agentjayjay> I do also see this in syslog: Error setting property 'Powered' on interface org.bluez.Adapter1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.563 was not provided by any .service files (g-dbus-error-quark, 2)
[17:41] <agentjayjay> a live cd (manjaro) i had lying around works fine.  windows 10 on this box works fine too
[17:42] <rfm> johnfg, try "echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" to see if it's XFCE...
[17:44] <agentjayjay> happens the same in plasma or gnome
[17:44] <agentjayjay> any ideas?
[17:44] <agentjayjay> thanks in advance.
[17:47] <johnfg> rfm: ubuntu:GNOME is what's returned.
[17:48] <johnfg> Strange.  The only thing that should have been gnome, was that I installed gdm3.
[17:48] <johnfg> vs. lightdm.
[17:48] <rfm> johnfg, then you're not running XFCE.  (check the login screen for a session type selection; dunno how gdm3 does it)
[17:49] <johnfg> rfm: Will do.  Thanks.
[17:58] <agentjayjay> hi everyone.  any body good with bluetooth debugging?
[18:08] <jeremy31> agentjayjay:  what is the problem?
[18:08] <agentjayjay> bluetooth headsets connect and don't stay connected.
[18:08] <agentjayjay> they disconnect after 30 secs to a minute
[18:09] <agentjayjay> the bluetooth applet in gnome or plasma appear to say that bluetooth is turned off
[18:09] <agentjayjay> and then it turns back on, reconnects
[18:09] <jeremy31> agentjayjay: sounds like some USB powersave
[18:10] <agentjayjay> i added usbcore.autosuspend=-1 to  /etc/default/grub
[18:10] <agentjayjay> no difference
[18:10] <agentjayjay> tlp is also not installed
[18:10] <agentjayjay> or laptop mode
[18:13] <jeremy31> Isn't autosuspend to keep power to USB ports during suspend?
[18:14] <agentjayjay> i'll share a pastebin of bluetoothctl in a second
[18:14] <agentjayjay> that i don't know
[18:14] <jeremy31> I have to get back to work soon
[18:15] <agentjayjay> ok, one sec
[18:15] <agentjayjay> https://pastebin.com/aiQ6hZm2
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> agentjayjay: have you attached any new devices to your computer's USB ports, around the same time this behavior started to happen?
[18:17] <agentjayjay> nothing else is plugged in
[18:24] <agentjayjay> would reinstalling the bluetooth packages help?
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> agentjayjay: it might... which packages have you installed?
[18:28] <crimson_king> Using Firefox ESR stable snap package, will the default snap permissions affect USB debugging? I open about:debugging and it is missing remote debugging tabs.
[18:31] <agentjayjay> pragmaticenigma: https://pastebin.com/pJuc204Y
[18:32] <crimson_king> Oh, nevermind my issue there, I just asked at Mozilla:#introduction. They are the ones developing the Snap package, they must know how to help me.
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> agentjayjay: I know there is another control utility out there, think it is bluectl or something. From what I've seen on it, it seems to have more robust controls for bluetooth setup. It might be something to investigate with
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> crimson_king: cheers, you are correct that a dedicated forum/channel is going to be a great place to find help
[18:34] <kinghat> anyone able to use grub customizer on 19.10?
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> kinghat: It's better to ask about the issue you're having and provide as much detail as you can about what you are trying to do and what you would like to have happen
[18:37] <agentjayjay> pragmaticenigma: i searched for bluectl but nothing came up.  I did try sudo btmon
[18:37] <agentjayjay> and something is sending this:
[18:37] <agentjayjay> < HCI Command: Intel SW RF Kill (0x3f|0x003f) plen 0   #11653 [hci0] 157.876176> HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 4            #11654 [hci0] 157.877584      Intel SW RF Kill (0x3f|0x003f) ncmd 1        Status: Success (0x00)
[18:39] <kinghat> mine is missing icons and everything
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> agentjayjay: do you have a physically disconnect switch for wifi on your machine? or a keybaord with "magic" function keys?
[18:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF>  /msg Nickserv identify 1234
[18:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF>  /msg Nickserv identify 1234
[18:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF> oups, sorry
[18:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hi
[18:42] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I'm looking a graphical tool to tune my
[18:42] <UndefinedIsNotAF> how do you say "Ordonanceur" in english?
[18:42] <agentjayjay> pragmaticenigma: magic function keys but i haven't used them ever.  rfkill says everything is unblocked
[18:42] <UndefinedIsNotAF> the stuff that give cpu time to process?
[18:42] <UndefinedIsNotAF> how its called?
[18:43] <UndefinedIsNotAF> The Scheduler*
[18:44] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I'm looking a graphical tool to tune my GNU/Linux scheduler. To tune the frequency of switching, the way the priority list is updated, that kind of nerd styuff
[18:44] <UndefinedIsNotAF> is it possible?
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> !enter UndefinedIsNotAF
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | UndefinedIsNotAF
[18:45] <UndefinedIsNotAF> my 19:44:02 message take one line and the full question
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> UndefinedIsNotAF: Not sure I understand what you mean by "Gnu/Linux scheduler" ... are you talking cron jobs, or kernel tuning, something else?
[18:58] <jwtiyar> hey
[18:58] <jwtiyar>  why i cant see translation form ubuntu launchpad?
[18:58] <jwtiyar> directly goes to focal version and tell me this series not available yet
[18:58] <UndefinedIsNotAF> pragmaticenigma: kernel tuning
[18:59] <UndefinedIsNotAF> pragmaticenigma: you know there is kernel tuned for audio, i want to tune myself the scheduler
[19:01] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I read an article on pimpmykernel.org but it look to need to recompile the kernel
[19:01] <UndefinedIsNotAF> is this needed?
[19:04] <ioria> UndefinedIsNotAF, Tuning I/O Schedulers  section : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/IOSchedulers
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> jwtiyar: Can you provide a link to what you are trying to look at?
[19:07] <UndefinedIsNotAF> ioria: i want the kyber (Multiqueue); how i can install it?
[19:07] <ioria> no idea
[19:08] <UndefinedIsNotAF> ioria: im not looking for IO schedulers
[19:08] <ioria> i see
[19:08] <UndefinedIsNotAF> im looking for CPU scheduler processes
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> UndefinedIsNotAF: If you know how to install it, you can... Support in this channel is only for the kernels readily available in the official Ubuntu repositories
[19:08] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, when i go to ubuntu page on launchapad and click on translation tab shows me my language but from yesterday when i click this tab shows nothing and tell that this series not available yet
[19:08] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu goes to this
[19:09] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: the linux kernel process scheduler is not something that can swapped at runtime. yuou need to build yuour own kernel in order to do this
[19:09] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, i have to manually enter this https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/eoan
[19:10] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, this page comes https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pLdjsqOQOhVEfy7LQ3faW3Ktia-UPgrn/view?usp=sharing
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> jwtiyar: I'm not sure how you're reaching that page... If I go to "https://translations.launchpad.net/" I see direct link to each Ubuntu release on the home page
[19:10] <jwtiyar> this is screenshot of it
[19:11] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, see my screenshoot
[19:11] <jwtiyar> before i was going there normally directly shows me trasnlation but will go to this page
[19:12] <jwtiyar> i have to manually type eoan page then translate
[19:12] <ioria> UndefinedIsNotAF, man sched
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> jwtiyar: I don't know what you are doing on your end... again if I go to https://translations.launchpad.net/ ... I see links to each of the Ubuntu releases along the left hand side of the page. I'm not sure what you're doing on your end to end up at that URL
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> jwtiyar: Also, this channel is for Support of Ubuntu the OS... launchpad is managed by Canonical and there is a link for their support at the bottom of the page
[19:15] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, bro can you please go to this link  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:15] <jwtiyar> then click on trasnlation tab
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> jwtiyar: Again, the launchpad site is managed by Canonical, for support use the link at the bottom of the page you're looking at
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> jwtiyar: This channel is operated by community volunteers. We do not have access or insight into Canonical's operations or their hosted sites.
[19:17] <dax> there's also the #launchpad IRC channel, if that's helpful
[19:18] <jwtiyar> pragmaticenigma, thank you bro
[19:37] <LeMagicien> Hi guys
[19:38] <LeMagicien> I was having some resolution related issues on Ubuntu. I have a 1440p monitor with R5 3600 and RTX 2070Super, but my resolution is stuck at 1024x768 and can't be changed
[19:38] <LeMagicien> Using the package nvidia-driver-435 with kernel 5.3.26-generic
[19:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Is doing sudo apt install $(sudo apt search python | grep "/" | cut -d/ -f1) evil?
[19:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF> i think its fine, but is it a good practice?
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> UndefinedIsNotAF: best practice is to search, then install what you need.
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> UndefinedIsNotAF: or add the "-s" switch to your apt command, to simulate before breaking your system
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> unless of course your goal is to install every python package known to Ubuntu, plus any other package that references it in the descrption (even if it has nothing to do with the prgramming language)
[19:56] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: that is most definitely a Bad Idea
[20:06] <lordcirth_> apt install 'python-*' would be *less* Bad
[20:06] <sarnold> (still terrible)
[20:06] <lordcirth_> But that's still a lot of packages that do who knows what
[20:08] <ioria> especially 'cause we don't know why
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> UndefinedIsNotAF: If you have a bunch of known packages that you need to install at one time, you can list all the packages you would like to install at the same time, separating each package with a space. Example: "apt install python3 python3-requests"
[20:12] <UndefinedIsNotAF> pragmaticenigma: good idea
[20:32] <netcrash> Hello, I just asked for an increase on a VM , but I don't know the initial hired disk space, is there anyway to see the increase in the logs?
[20:36] <leftyfb> netcrash: not really, no. Why not ask your provider?
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> netcrash: you would only be able to see it in a disk management tool, after the VM was rebooted, after the vm settings were changed
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> you would then have to resize the partitions to fill the newly allocated space
[20:38] <netcrash> pragmaticenigma: ok, nothing I can do then, have to trust it. leftyfb
[20:38] <leftyfb> netcrash: if the provider doesn't resize the filesystem for you, then you could compare the existing size to what you grow it to with the resize you'll need to do
[20:47] <manornk> Hi, I have ubuntu 19.10 and i get this error: it looks like wine32 is missing, you should install it. I tried everything from stackoverflow but no luck, any ideas
[20:56] <netcrash> leftyfb: pragmaticenigma It's managed with ovirt Red Hat the filesystem only resizes as needed. Situation cleared.
[21:46] <BlackPine> Ubuntu Xenial v16.04 (4.15.0-74-generic) + Netgear 340U USB Broadband Modem Dongle...   Works for internet access, but don't know where to look for application info on making Analog Voice Calls through it and attaching headset in/out to application.    Any assist here ?
[21:50] <leftyfb> BlackPine: I don't think that works the way you think it does. I don't think you can just make calls using the number from that modem.
[21:51] <BlackPine> Could be...    Entirely possible I was mistaken about the Dongle having all the guts of a cell phone except for the display, keyboard, etc...
[21:52] <leftyfb> BlackPine: it does, but it's not made to make calls from.
[21:52] <BlackPine> perhaps NetGear would be a better place to pose the question to see IF the dongle is even capable of that function...
[21:53] <BlackPine> Am I correct that Voice Calls are made using an ANALOG frequency, and basically uses the GSM protocols ?
[21:54] <leftyfb> !ot | BlackPine
[22:03] <Datz> Hi, I'm trying to wake on mouse or keyboard. The first thing that comes up is this three year old guide. Should I follow it? https://askubuntu.com/questions/848698/wake-up-from-suspend-using-wireless-usb-keyboard-or-mouse-for-any-linux-distro
[22:04] <Datz> or is there a better way now?
[22:08] <pragmaticenigma> Datz: Most of the support for waking on mouse movement or keyboard is dependent on the computer's firmware or BIOS. If the computer doesn't ship with such a feature. Adding software to do it will negate any power savings as the computer can never fully power down in order to keep the periphials powered enough to register the action.
[22:10] <Datz> ah ok. That was my first thought. I'll have a look into the bios
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> Datz: It's also worth noting that most computers are capable of booting fast enough that suspend-to-ram (often referred to as standby) and suspend-to-disk (hibernate) are sometimes not recommended
[22:12] <Datz> I see. The reason I want to do it is beacause the computer power button is out of the way. (NUC on a VESA mount)
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> Datz: I thought those units were designed to remain powered on all the time?
[22:13] <Datz> probably, but it's going to eat power.
[22:13] <Datz> I think any computer is desinged to remain on all the time.
[22:14] <Datz> Anyway, it's my moms and she uses it like < 1hr a day
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> Datz: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000023873/intel-nuc.html
[22:14] <Datz> not going to keep it on 24/7
[22:15] <Datz> Yeah, bios was my first thought, then I googled and got that article.
[22:15] <Datz> thoguht maybe it was a software thing too,.
[22:15] <Datz> Thanks though, I'll have a look.
[22:21] <manornk> Hi, I have ubuntu 19.10 and i get this error: it looks like wine32 is missing, you should install it. I tried everything from stackoverflow but no luck, any ideas
[22:26] <Datz> Have you installed wine32?
[22:28] <jayjo> I'm looking into PAM in order to secure SSH logins and potentially incorporate a yubikey. I don't see a lot of info available - does anyone know of a good resource to get this done?
[22:30] <manornk> Datz, can't install it, errors
[22:30] <sarnold> jayjo: libpam-yubico - two-factor password and YubiKey OTP PAM module
[22:30] <manornk> I tried every solution out there but no luck
[22:30] <sarnold> jayjo: https://github.com/Yubico/yubico-pam  probably that package is this tree
[22:31] <Datz> manornk: not sure if I can help you with them, but if you pastebin the errors, maybe someone will be able to.
[22:31] <sarnold> jayjo: I haven't tried it yet myself but I've been meaning to look at it for ages :)
[22:36] <jayjo> I haven't used PAM a lot. Is this just a umbrella term for the generic auth stack?
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> jayjo: more or less, yes
[22:37] <sarnold> jayjo: yeah; PAM lets you configure per-service how authentication and account informatoin should be retrieved
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> jayjo: while a lot of us are in both, #ubuntu-server may have some other people more familiar with setting up this sort of thing
[22:38] <sarnold> jayjo: libpam-doc: /usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/txt/Linux-PAM_SAG.txt.gz
[22:38] <sarnold> NOTHING about PAM will make sense until you read this doc; after that, it'll just be confusing :)
[22:41] <jayjo> I can't track down that file on my system - is it available elsewhere?
[22:42] <sarnold> jayjo: apt install libpam-doc  :)
[22:44] <ducasse> jayjo: there are several ways to use a yubikey with pam, you need to decide on which auth method to use
[22:52] <ducasse> jayjo: there is a simple guide on the yubico site
[22:59] <Paddy_NI> Does anyone know how I can mount an image created using dd of an Windows XP drive with write access?
[22:59] <Paddy_NI> If I mount the image using gnome-disks it's read-only
[23:02] <Datz> I think the problem with wakeup with keyboard or mouse is that I'm using wireless devices like the solar/logitech unifying receiver..
[23:02] <Datz> have to try with wired keyboard
[23:05] <Datz> yeah, that seems to be the problem
[23:06] <Datz> although, you'd think with suspend the unifying software would still be running or something.
[23:06] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: try installing ntfs-3g, the package description claims read/write support http://jp-andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/advanced-ntfs-3g.html
[23:06] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, It's already installed
[23:06] <Paddy_NI> Has been for a long time
[23:08] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: what does 'mount' report for the options used to mount the filesystem?
[23:09] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, How do I check that?
[23:09] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: run mount | grep ntfs -- that
[23:09] <sarnold> that'll limit the output to just the filesystem in question, hopefully
[23:10] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, Nothing shows up
[23:11] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: alright, just a bare mount then and look for it by eye
[23:11] <Paddy_NI> I just unmounted it using gnome-disks
[23:13] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, mount.nilfs2: Error while mounting /dev/loop27 on /home/patrick/XP: Invalid argument
[23:13] <sarnold> nilfs2 eh?
[23:13] <Paddy_NI> I did this "sudo mount /media/patrick/Storage/Jamison/2nd_attempt /home/patrick/XP"
[23:14] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: try mount -t ntfs-3g ... instead
[23:15] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZCXQvk6Tv6/
[23:15] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: what does file /media/patrick/Storage/Jamison/2nd_attempt  report?
[23:16] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, I don't understand
[23:16] <Paddy_NI> oh nm I get you
[23:17] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D7FCcShc97/
[23:19] <sparr> How can I create a User Defined paper size for printing that will show up in the print dialog from various programs?
[23:20] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: is this by any chance just the partition table of the drive in question? or boot loader? I haven't run file on an ntfs image in decades but this doesn't look at all like what I expected
[23:20] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, This is a dd of an XP drive
[23:21] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, I have no idea how it should look. That output does not look good
[23:21] <Paddy_NI> The thing is the actual physical hardware boots and operates perfectly well
[23:22] <Paddy_NI> I have also shut it down properly, I booted from a usb key running xubuntu and dd'd the drive to a file on an attached sata drive
[23:23] <Paddy_NI> The XP drive is IDE so annoyingly I have to use the clients computer to work with it as I don't have to correct cabling any more to run it to sata or usb
[23:23] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: alright, lets try this .. losetup -f /media/patrick/Storage/Jamison/2nd_attempt  -- then check dmesg for results..
[23:24] <Paddy_NI> I converted the "2nd_attempt" image to a VDI which I tried loading up in vbox. It bluescreens on the XP boot splash
[23:24] <Paddy_NI> Okay
[23:24] <Paddy_NI> Thank you for your time
[23:25] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/prgfHdS9PQ/
[23:26] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: cool, does dmesg say anything about the new 'block device'? partition table or anything?
[23:27] <Paddy_NI> Umm.. How best to check that sarnold?
[23:27] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: dmesg | tail -20
[23:28] <Paddy_NI> Apologies but I rarely if ever use dmesg as I have no idea when I should use it or what I should be looking for.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tQ2N2V4QqD/
[23:29] <people398594> hi, my package management is broken
[23:30] <maszlo> I have recently migrated a long running ubuntu (core2duo to 8th gen i5 Intel NUC). I had some issues from not removing nvidia modules, but after that is running good. with one minor issue on the boot.  when i hit the power button it will show the BIOS options, then a get a blank grey screen where the grub2 boot options would be, it sits there while count down times out. then it boots as you would expect. I think the issue is with the
[23:30] <maszlo> resolution, but any changes i makes in /etc/default/grub all appear to display after that selection window.  Is there somewhere else that would be the resolution of that first menu?
[23:30] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, I used this command when I created the image "sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/xubuntu/Storage/Jamison/2nd_attempt bs=64K conv=noerror,sync"
[23:32] <maszlo> i have used a grub customizer app, but hesitant to add bunch of PPA to this htpc / server
[23:32] <Paddy_NI> I also created an image using gnome-disks. That one ended .img I converted that to a vdi too however I get exactly the same issue with boot loop. And it being read-only
[23:33] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: hmm, what are the permissions on that vdl file?>
[23:34] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, "-rwxrwxrwx 1 patrick patrick<PHONE_NUMBER>64 Jan 17 18:54 Jamison_Windows_XP.vdi"
[23:35] <sarnold> hmm. those are funny permissions; is that file on a read-only filesystem?
[23:36] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, As far as I know no.  I have a 2tb sata HDD in a dock and that is where the file resides
[23:37] <Paddy_NI> The drive is 2tb sata is ntfs I think
[23:37] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, The permissions are the same for all the files on that drive
[23:38] <Paddy_NI> I used a xbuntu live usb to create them using sudo
[23:38] <sarnold> can you copy the file to your home directory?
[23:38] <Paddy_NI> JUst a sex
[23:38] <Paddy_NI> lol
[23:38] <Paddy_NI> sec
[23:38] <Paddy_NI> X-D
[23:39] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, My pc is using a small ssd so not enough free space
[23:39] <sarnold> :(
[23:39] <Paddy_NI> brb bathroom
[23:45] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, Would it be possible to recursively change the permissions of the parent folder?  I don't care if it messes those files up as I can if need be sit through the tedium of making another image
[23:45] <Paddy_NI> I just might have a nervous breakdown
[23:46] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: sitting through the tedium of another image would be my attempt out of this one :) instead of dd if=/dev/sda .. use /dev/sda1  or whichever partition has just the filesystem
[23:46] <sarnold> rather than grabbing the whole disk
[23:46] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, But then how would I be able to turn that into a vm
[23:46] <sarnold> I'm surprised the VM thing wasn't good at coping with the whole disk, but hey, filesystems are easier to work with
[23:46] <Paddy_NI> Wont that skip the boot sector etc
[23:47] <Paddy_NI> The point of this is to preserve the XP system so that my client can still run a niche app
[23:47] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: I've not tried a physical-to-virt before, I usually just want whatever data is on the thing so I can destroy the installation, hehe
[23:47] <Paddy_NI> It's for handling the financials of their farms
[23:48] <sarnold> man that's rough :(
[23:48] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: can you do a *new* XP install in a VM, then install the application, then install their old data?
[23:48] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, Yeah I know me too. I only do this for people that are of a particular age and who are stuck in this nasty scenario
[23:49] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: presumably folks looking at retirement in another handful of years and spending $$$ on a new version of their accounting software doesn't make sense..
[23:49] <aikidouke> would anyone know where to look for info about arm 64 on rpi4 - I've got the server image running, but the additional ppa stuff in the wiki seems a bit out of date?
[23:49] <aikidouke> err running eoan/19
[23:49] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, I don't have the app nor do they.  The company that created it are local and wont help at all.  The newest version of the app wont handle data from the really old one they have. And to top it all of the information is in some weird format that I cannot open in anything else
[23:50] <Paddy_NI> The "Export" option in the app also only "exports" to floppy disk
[23:50] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: it just keeps getting worse :( wow
[23:50] <sarnold> aikidouke: a huge part of the wiki is ancient junk that's no longer useful, indeed
[23:50] <Paddy_NI> I figure use the nice new PC I have for them and virtualise their XP install... I have done this before believe it or not. And it worked first time
[23:51] <aikidouke> such is the way of wiki's kind of like doing archaeology I suppose
[23:51] <aikidouke> sarnold: thanks tho!
[23:52] <Paddy_NI> I think the permissions possibly are a problem. However the XP VM bluescreening I think could possibly be due to the "agp440.sys" file mentioned on here https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows
[23:52] <sarnold> aikidouke: I'd expect most things to just work ..
[23:52] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: AH
[23:52] <Paddy_NI> So I thought rather than deleting that file from the original drive I could delete it from the image
[23:52] <Paddy_NI> However this read-only thing has thrown a spanner in the works
[23:52] <sarnold> I can't believe windows still has trouble with changing hardware
[23:53] <Paddy_NI> sarnold, These two files might be the issue "agp440.sys / intelppm.sys"
[23:53] <Paddy_NI> Might
[23:53] <aikidouke> sarnold: from a server perspective, seems to work just fine, the wiki wants you to add one or two ppa's which is fine, but one of them hasnt been committed to in a year-ish, the other seems to have some eoan packages
[23:53] <Paddy_NI> Knowing my luck it'll still bluescreen
[23:54] <sarnold> aikidouke: a ppa for what?
[23:54] <sarnold> Paddy_NI: can you try a safemode boot? does that still exist?
[23:54] <aikidouke> I tried the old 'add-apt-repository' and then adding allow-insecure=true or whatever to the sources.list, but still got 404's for the release file
[23:55] <aikidouke> been a moment since I've been in IRC, so apologies if I'm supposed to shorten links - but - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pi-flavour-makers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:56] <aikidouke> seems to have stuff to work with firmware and gpio and such
[23:57] <aikidouke> ehh, you know, just apt-search raspberry seems like it gives me most of that
[23:58] <Patrick_NI> Got disconnected switching on the VPN
[23:58] <aikidouke> I could've just looked up the apt equivalent of 'dnf whatprovides */blah' if I needed blah
[23:58] <badsektur> what is snap?
[23:58] <sarnold> Patrick_NI: Fri 17 23:54:39 < sarnold> Paddy_NI: can you try a safemode boot? does that still exist?
[23:59] <Patrick_NI> sarnold, Sadly that bluescreens too. I am going to attempt to download a copy of XP and do repair like it says on that virtualbox wiki
[23:59] <aikidouke> what is it about being slightly out of your comfort zone that makes everyone more difficult than it needs to be
[23:59] <rfm> Patrick_NI, by all means try that first
[23:59] <aikidouke> or is that just a me thing? probably a me thing...
[23:59] <Patrick_NI> rfm, Absolutely
[23:59] <Patrick_NI> I should have done that ages ago


[12:05] <zul> ah..
[01:19] <ajmitch> morning
[01:20] <tritium> morning, ajmitch
[01:26] <zul> evening ajmitch
[01:32] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[03:30] <zul> bugs...squash them to little itty bits
[03:32] <ajmitch> mmm
[03:38] <zul> later
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[06:37] <ajmitch> hello
[06:38] <Laser_away> hi Hobbsee and ajmitch
[06:38] <kgoetz> hi active people
[06:38] <ajmitch> hello Laser_away :)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> hi Laser_away
[06:39] <Laser_away> Hobbsee: I see you had your hands on cdbs
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Laser_away: that i did :)
[06:39] <ajmitch> soon she'll be going for core-dev
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ack!  what an idea!
[06:39] <Hobbsee> i dont think you'd want me killing the repos...
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and surely i should be going for motu first?
[06:40] <ajmitch> it would help
[06:42] <ajmitch> we'd expect that you wouldn't
[06:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[06:47] <Laser_away> Hobbsee: the point will come though... you'll find you need MOTUness to get done what you need to get done
[06:48] <Hobbsee> true...
[06:48] <ajmitch> because it's just useful to be able to work on your own
[06:48] <Hobbsee> at some point
[06:48] <ajmitch> I could do everything by begging people to upload as well
[06:48] <ajmitch> it quickly gets tiring
[06:48] <Laser_away> true
[06:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:48] <Laser_away> and it gets tiring for sponsors too
[06:49] <Hobbsee> true
[06:50] <ajmitch> we suggest people go for it as soon as they're ready
[06:50] <ajmitch> but not too soon
[06:51] <ajmitch> that's fine
[06:51] <ajmitch> just keep working until you do
[09:23] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[09:23] <Hobbsee> dholbach: pm?
[09:24] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:24] <Mithrandir> hello Daniel
[09:24] <dholbach> Hobbsee: sure
[09:24] <dholbach> hey Tollef!
[09:24] <Mithrandir> 'sup today?
[09:25] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir
[09:26] <dholbach> Mithrandir: icons
[09:29] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: mr 64bit :) have any howto's or pointers for porting code to amd64/ia64 ?
[09:36] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: ouch.
[09:36] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: "don't store pointers in ints"
[09:36] <Hobbsee> just you wait till i meet you in person :P
[09:37] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: I think I'll bring some rope and handcuffs then. :-)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> heh...so you have a deathwish hey, and a wish to hear hobbsee scream?  odd.
[09:38] <Mithrandir> I guess I should get some foot irons too, to avoid you stomping my feet.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:38] <Hobbsee> because it would hurt oh so much, yes :P
[09:39] <Mithrandir> and since you're a girl you'd probably have heels suitable for making holes in my feet and all
[09:40] <Mithrandir> ok, so my feet (or at least one of them) will just be of uniform thickness, then. :-P
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:40] <Mithrandir> ah, so no need for foot irons, I can just get your shoe size and find some high-heeled shoes?
[09:40] <Yagisan> Mithrandir: I didn't. unfortunately the codebase I've inherited has.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:41] <Mithrandir> Yagisan: well, porting to 64 bit is mostly that.  Also, don't assume sizeof(int) != sizeof(long).
[09:43] <Toadstool> 'morning motus
[09:44] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool - congratulations on membership, btw
[09:44] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee, thanks :)
[09:45] <Yagisan> approx 336 warnings about pointers and ints :(
[09:52] <thesaltydog> if a .deb package build-depends on libgtk2-perl>=1:1.100, how can it be correctly synch'ed in ubuntu, stating that ubuntu's lib doesn't have the epoch 1:?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah, pity, you're not in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:35] <ajmitch> interesting stuff happening there?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> sure, i'm using my pitchfork and flaming torch, along with the rest of my army.
[10:37] <ajmitch> ah
[10:42] <sivang> morning all
[10:51] <StevenK> Aww, she went away.
[10:52] <ajmitch> I understand why debian has expulsion procedures now :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> & I'm glad that we have the CC to fall back on here
[10:54] <StevenK> However, Sven didn't even up getting kicked out.
[10:54] <ajmitch> I know..
[10:54] <StevenK> And oh yes, having the CC as a fallback is a good thing.
[10:55] <ajmitch> and so we get endless threads, bugs filed for the tech committee, DPL getting dragged in, etc
[10:55] <StevenK> Just wait for the GR.
[10:55] <StevenK> Everyone is apparently "on Frans's side."
[10:56] <ajmitch> he did *say* he won't go for the GR :)
[10:56] <StevenK> I am of the opinion that Sven will say one thing and do another.
[10:57] <zakame> hi all
[10:57] <zakame> erm wth sven talk here? =P
[10:57] <ajmitch> zakame: you're right, we should stop
[10:58] <zakame> hehe
[10:58] <zakame> with sven and jltallon around, we've plenty of examples _not_ to follow :/
[10:59] <ajmitch> heh
[11:02] <StevenK> I have half a mind to send a mail to Sven accusing him of practising dentistry without a license. Only a dentist can hide behind "this won't hit a bit" and then start ripping chunks of your mouth out.
[11:02] <ajmitch> don't remind me of that
[11:02] <ajmitch> I've got to see a dentist soon
[11:03] <StevenK> Heh. Oops.
[11:04] <ajmitch> :)
[11:05] <zakame> lol
[11:05] <ajmitch> laptops are rather useful - lets me get much closer to the heater
[11:07] <StevenK> My Dual Athlon was good during winter.
[11:08] <ajmitch> yes, my dual-core system doesn't seem to run nearly hot enough
[11:08] <StevenK> Close the door, wait 20 minutes, and the ambient temp in the room was up 5 degrees.
[11:08] <ajmitch> not bad
[11:08] <StevenK> My little amd64 runs very cool, so doesn't do the same thing.
[11:08] <ajmitch> though being up 5C for me would mean it'd be about 15C at best :)
[11:09] <StevenK> Heh
[11:09] <ajmitch> ok, 8.1C outside, apparantly
[11:09] <StevenK> 16C here, according to the weather applet
[11:10] <ajmitch> colder than I expected
[11:10] <StevenK> Like other people have said, .au doesn't have winter, it just has the absence of summer.
[11:11] <ajmitch> I didn't think sydney was meant to get below 20C? :)
[11:11] <StevenK> Hah. During winter it will regularly drop to 9C before the sun is up.
[11:11] <ajmitch> wow
[11:12] <ajmitch> that's really cold ;)
[11:12] <ajmitch> it'll frequently be < 0C here in winter
[11:13] <Mithrandir> 16C is nice and warm.
[11:13] <StevenK> No, 26C is nice and warm.
[11:13] <ogra> Mithrandir, pfft, thats not even what i call spring here
[11:14] <StevenK> I'm wearing 3 layers of clothing and it's double that.
[11:14] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: you start sweating when it's over 10?
[11:15] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: no, not really.  Above 25-30, maybe.
[12:37] <Whoopie> Hi, can I somewhere see that a sync with a debian package is requested and what the status is?
[01:01] <tehwaXC> I am having some issues while trying to install libswingwt-java
[01:02] <tehwaXC> it is saying that it depends on a package I have installed, but it says that said package is uninstallable
[01:02] <tehwaXC> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libswingwt-java is trying to tell me something, but i am not sure what
[01:03] <tehwaXC> the dependant package is libswt-gtk-3.1-java
[01:10] <tehwaXC> After further research, the solution appears beyond the scope of an IRC chat.
[01:10] <tehwaXC> many thanks
[01:18] <Riddell> dholbach: can you select to use the hicolour icon theme in gnome?
[01:18] <dholbach> Riddell: no, but it's standard fallback to everything
[01:19] <Riddell> good, thanks
[01:19] <dholbach> thanks
[01:21] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, Riddell
[01:23] <ajmitch> yay, zope2.8 & most of the products should be installable now
[01:53] <zul> heylo
[01:54] <ajmitch> hey zul
[01:56] <zul> hey ajmitch
[02:24] <freeflying> crimsun: hi
[02:24] <crimsun> freeflying: hi
[02:25] <freeflying> crimsun: how about the zhcon  :)
[02:26] <crimsun> freeflying: I haven't looked yet, been busy, will try to this morning (ETA: 4 hours)
[02:26] <freeflying> crimsun: thx
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:49] <zul> hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hi zul :)
[03:07] <sivang> hi all
[03:19] <tuxmaniac> Hello World
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hi sivang and tuxmaniac
[03:22] <Hobbsee> heh.
[07:20] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[07:21] <\sh> moins
[07:23] <crimsun> hullo folks
[07:24] <zul> hey \sh
[07:24] <\sh> hey zul
[07:26] <LaserJock> hi crimsun and zul
[07:27] <crimsun> 'lo
[07:27] <zul> hilo
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmm, it's been a while since we had a MOTU meeting
[08:38] <zul> hmmm...is there one coming up?
[08:38] <LaserJock> none planned as far as I can see
[08:38] <zul> i guess everyone is busy with dapper
[08:39] <LaserJock> maybe we should have one last one before the release
[08:39] <zul> send a note to the ml
[09:06] <goedson> dholbach: ping.
[09:06] <dholbach> goedson: pong
[09:07] <goedson> dholbach: I've recieved a request for updating a translation for gnomebaker in Dapper.
[09:07] <goedson> May I mail it to you?
[09:07] <goedson> I don't have an ubuntu system available to build a new package.
[09:07] <dholbach> goedson: could you open a bug report for that?
[09:08] <dholbach> I'm quite busy with stuff, but I'd set it on my list to make sure it gets done - does that work for you?
[09:08] <goedson> dholbach: In launchpad?
[09:08] <dholbach> yeah
[09:08] <goedson> dholbach: Will do it.
[09:08] <dholbach> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+filebug
[09:08] <dholbach> goedson: thanks a lot
[09:13] <huats> does anybody can help me : I've made a bug fix
[09:13] <dholbach> huats: what package did you fix?
[09:14] <huats> libogg
[09:14] <huats> I've send the bug to motu reviewers
[09:14] <huats> but I have an answer that it is not the right place to do, because it is not in universe
[09:14] <zul> libogg is in main isnt it?
[09:15] <huats> that is the pb
[09:15] <huats> so who should I contact for a review ?
[09:16] <zul> i might be able to look at it tonight whats the bug number?
[09:16] <huats> 38580
[09:16] <huats> it is a small bug, (in documentation) but a bug anyway...
[09:16] <zul> thanks ill have a look at it tonight
[09:17] <huats> zul, thanks to you
[09:17] <zul> dholbach: it gives me the chance to see if uploading to main works for me ;)
[09:17] <zul> huats: no problem..
[09:17] <dholbach> zul: enjoy :)
[09:21] <huats> but just to know : which team can I join to ask for a review if the package is in main ?
[09:21] <goedson> dholbach: Done. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/44894/+index
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44894 in gnomebaker "Slovak translation seriously buggy" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:22] <LaserJock> huats: I don't really think there is one, you just have to bug somebody that is a Main dev (ubuntu-core-dev on LP)
[09:22] <dholbach> goedson: excellent - I'll add it to my list and assign to motureviewers, so it will get done
[09:23] <huats> LaserJock, Hi
[09:24] <huats> LaserJock, thanks
[09:24] <LaserJock> np
[09:25] <zul> hauts: the documentation works for me but there is no ogg directory in the doc directory, is this for breezy or dapper?
[09:26] <LaserJock> zul: should be dapper
[09:26] <LaserJock> zul: I had a look at it the other day with huats
[09:27] <zul> ah i see now..
[09:27] <huats> zul, yep dapper
[09:27] <huats> zul, LaserJock almost did everything...
[09:27] <zul> ok ill fix it tonight
[09:28] <huats> zul,  cool
[10:09] <phanatic> hi people
[10:09] <Spec> hi person
[10:10] <phanatic> Spec: :)
[10:27] <phanatic> could somebody have a look at this package please (uvf exception granted)? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2333
[10:30] <crimsun> phanatic: looks fine
[10:30] <phanatic> crimsun: thanks
[10:43] <crimsun> phanatic: I uploaded, but the archive is not accepting my uploads again (qprocd bug)
[10:44] <crimsun> this is quickly becoming irksome.
[10:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: want me to do it?
[10:44] <phanatic> crimsun: thank you.
[10:44] <crimsun> LaserJock: sure
[10:44] <LaserJock> umm, I see it on dapper-changes
[10:44] <crimsun> oh, goodie
[10:52] <crimsun> well, I suppose it's as good a time as any to dive into emacs now that I've a need for diff-mode
[10:52] <LaserJock> emacs? as opposed to vim?
[10:53] <crimsun> yes, I've used vi/m for my entire UNIX exposure
[10:53] <LaserJock> and the vim diff stuff isn't sufficent?
[10:53] <crimsun> does it autoadjust?
[10:53] <LaserJock> heck if I know, I haven't used emacs or vim for diff
[10:54] <sivang> LaserJock: are you still working on the ubuntu packaging manual ?
[10:54] <sivang> LaserJock (the one that gets installed in yelp currently)
[10:54] <LaserJock> sivang: it is in string freeze but edgy is open
[10:54] <sivang> LaserJock: amazing stuff :)
[10:54] <crimsun> ah, vimdiff
[10:55] <sivang> LaserJock: I like the approach very much, especially the "from scratch" section
[10:55] <sivang> LaserJock: I wonder if we could extend it a bit more, plans for edgy I guess :)
[10:55] <LaserJock> oh, well thanks. I hope more people will pick it up for edgy
[10:55] <LaserJock> sivang: oh yes, this was my first time writing docs, etc. and I was trying to make MOTU
[10:55] <LaserJock> Edgy will rock ;-)
[10:56] <LaserJock> patch systems especially need work
[10:56] <sivang> LaserJock: none the less, this is amazing work you'e started there
[10:57] <LaserJock> well, I tried to put together all the scattered material out there and use real examples
[10:57] <LaserJock> and write it more for people wanting to contribute
[10:58] <LaserJock> we'll see if it works
[10:58] <LaserJock> I think shipping a packaging guide in the distro help is really cool
[10:58] <LaserJock> there is also a print version that people can get
[10:59] <crimsun> gah, I'm credited :/
[10:59] <LaserJock> in the Packaging Guide? of course
[11:03] <LaserJock> sivang: if there is something you want to see in Edgy add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingGuide
[11:07] <pygi> Hi
[11:08] <pygi> can somebody please tell me who do I bug to make sure Monodevelop 0.11 is in dapper? :)
[11:10] <LaserJock> pygi: you need a UVF exception bug if it is a new release
[11:10] <LaserJock> pygi: but we are very deep into the freeze so it would need to be really important bug fixes
[11:10] <pygi> yea, I know, but I remember I must have someone to update if for me :P
[11:11] <LaserJock> the motu-uvf LP team is in charge of approving exceptions
[11:12] <pygi> LaserJock, http://www.monodevelop.com/Release_notes_for_MonoDevelop_0.11
[11:14] <pygi> LaserJock, any chance that will get in?
[11:21] <LaserJock> pygi: not sure, at this point we might be more inclined to patch the current version to fix the bugs, but I don't make that decision
[11:22] <pygi> LaserJock, ah, ok :)
[11:23] <LaserJock> pygi: is there an update source version available?
[11:23] <pygi> LaserJock, not sure :-/
[11:25] <LaserJock> revu.tauware.de perhaps
[11:26] <LaserJock> because there isn't much of a point to have a UVF exception for a package that doesn't exist ;-)
[11:26] <pygi> argh :(
[11:26] <pygi> there is no that package :(
[11:27] <crimsun> which package, and where?
[11:27] <crimsun> monodevelop | 0.10-0pre1ubuntu6 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[11:28] <pygi> crimsun, monodevelop 0.11 :)
[11:28] <crimsun> not on revu, or not upstream? (sorry, just switched buffers)
[11:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: I told him to try to find a monodevelop 0.11 source package if he wants a UVFe
[11:30] <pygi> ah, just source package? :)
[11:30] <pygi> http://go-mono.com/sources/monodevelop/monodevelop-0.11.tar.gz
[11:30] <pygi> that one? :P
[11:31] <crimsun> that's a start.
[11:31] <crimsun> you might want to check in #debian-mono to see if anyone has already done work on 0.11.
[11:31] <LaserJock> pygi: source as in ubuntu source package
[11:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, #debian-mono is a good idea
[11:33] <pygi> if not, I can always package it :P
[11:41] <pygi> LaserJock, crimsun, ok , thanks,I found the way out of this situation :)
[11:53] <Whoopie> Hi, is something wrong with the sync process or is the archive team "only" really busy?
[11:54] <crimsun> Whoopie: the latter.
[11:54] <LaserJock> Whoopie: probably really busy + debconf6
[11:55] <crimsun> we're talking /extremely/ busy
[11:58] <Whoopie> crimsun: ok, what's debconf6 ?
[11:59] <crimsun> Whoopie: the Debian developers' conference
[11:59] <Whoopie> ah!
[12:00] <Whoopie> crimsun: I saw your debdiff for the EmulateWheelTimeout problem. Thanks for it. But shouldn't the patch be in the debian/patches directory and not applied directly?
[12:02] <crimsun> Whoopie: xserver-xorg-input-mouse does not build-depend on a patch system, and there is no existing debian/patches/, so no.


[00:09] <Eickmeyer> Right, but you'll NEVER find a DAW compatible with another DAW.
[00:13] <Eickmeyer> Except maybe Mixbus and Ardour, but that's only because Mixbus is derived from Ardour.


[03:26] <FredN> everybody still on the ground?
[03:29] <Unit193> Nono like wind?
[03:29] <Unit193> We have a wind warning.
[03:29] <FredN> severe t-storm warning and tornado watch here
[03:31] <Unit193> Fun times indeed, not much for us.
[03:31] <Unit193> Temp: 53 F (12 C) ~ Mostly Cloudy ~ Humidity: 77% ~ Alert: Flood Watch, Wind Advisory ~ Observed: Thu 20, 21:52
[04:28] <Omnifrog> line of storms isn't here yet
[04:29] <Unit193> Hrm, wonder if I should be expecting..
[04:30] <Omnifrog> it's a typical tight line of severe storm weather
[04:31] <Omnifrog> strong winds, frequent lightning, brief heavy rain
[04:35] <Omnifrog> This is the best opening paragraph in any news story ever
[04:35] <Omnifrog> http://boingboing.net/2014/02/20/this-is-the-best-opening-parag.html
[04:35] <Omnifrog> I agree