[03:02] <apothacarry> what's the latest?
[03:08] <josue> hi
[03:09] <josue> some know how to configure permission with xampp in kubuntu?
[03:10] <cihhan> hi all! i m using Kubuntu 14.04 and today somehow Firefox stopped the sounds. I can listen to music from VLC player though
[03:10] <cihhan> Any ideas?
[03:11] <josue> try Apply the FFmpeg fix
[03:12] <josue> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mc3man/trusty-media
[03:12] <josue> sudo apt-get update
[03:12] <josue> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[03:17] <cihhan> josueL i have installed it and restarted firefox
[03:18] <cihhan> josue: but still i cant get any sounds from firefox
[03:18] <josue> and with crhome
[03:18] <josue> ?=
[03:18] <cihhan> im installing it now
[03:22] <cihhan> josue: no sound there too :/
[03:22] <josue> no idea men
[03:23] <cihhan> thanks a lot man
[03:23] <josue> may be codecs?
[03:25] <cihhan> josue, im not sure why :/ but somehow i cant get any sounds
[03:40] <cihhan> hi all, i cant get any sound from videos using both firefox and chrome but vlc works fine. any idea?
[03:49] <josue> some know how to show copy dialog in kde?
[03:49] <josue> a copy progress
[03:55] <surgy> im running kubuntu 14.04 kernal 13.19  i have a huion graphics tablet that works in krita and gimp with pressure and everything. works great. in mypaint everything on the tablet works except for pressure..... can you help me get my pressure sensitivity to work please?
[05:16] <zoidberg__> why is 15.04 so buggy
[05:16] <zoidberg__> it said stable on kubuntu website
[05:17] <TJ-> All stables have bugs in them; some would call them features :)
[05:17] <zoidberg__> lol i literally broke 2 kubuntu 15.04 systems by simply installing packages
[05:18] <zoidberg__> think its the display manager because both cases the os would boot only into a black screen
[05:22] <TJ-> Any proprietary drivers in use? black screen is often a modesetting issue
[05:27] <valorie> hmmm, 15.04 is very stable for me
[05:27] <valorie> as is 15.10
[06:03] <Maakuth> greetings. 15.04 with the most recent updates installed, sddm doesn't let me log in
[06:04] <Maakuth> i can type in the password, but then nothing happens when i click login. it's thinkpad on amd64 architecture
[06:04] <valorie> hmmm
[06:05] <hateball> Maakuth: A new install or upgrade?
[06:05] <hateball> Maakuth: I'm thinking if some of your user settings got messed up, you could try moving the config files away and starting fresh
[06:05] <Maakuth> i installed it as a fresh 15.04 ubuntu, only recently installed kubuntu-desktop
[06:05] <hateball> Hmmm
[06:06] <Maakuth> hmm wait a moment, there's something related to pam and the fingerprint sensor in sddm logs... let's see if i can disable the reader
[06:06] <TJ-> Maakuth: does anything happen if you press Enter rather than press the button
[06:06] <Maakuth> nope
[06:08] <valorie> Maakuth: that can be a problem (ubuntu + kub-desktop) because Unity does not use SDDM
[06:08] <valorie> rather they use lightdm
[06:08] <Maakuth> alright, it was the fingerprint thing, it seems
[06:08] <valorie> it is possible that ensuring that SDDM is indeed installed, and that lightdm is purged, will help
[06:09]  * valorie went through this with a wily install
[06:11] <Maakuth> i changed from unity to kde because i thought kde would have my scenario better thought out: laptop with a dock
[06:11] <Maakuth> unity fails miserably when i undock or dock while its running
[06:12] <Maakuth> well, at least kwin and konsole segfaulted when i undocked, couldn't do anything
[06:13] <valorie> Maakuth: better to install kubuntu directly then
[06:13] <valorie> purging the unity stuff is a pain
[06:14] <valorie> if you make a liveUSB of kubuntu, you can run that and check the dock/undocking
[06:14] <Maakuth> i can't believe unity has anything to do with the docking behaviour
[06:14] <Maakuth> hmm, good point
[06:16] <valorie> hard to say
[06:17] <valorie> I know my login was very messed up
[06:17] <valorie> sometimes it turned black, but I could still enter the password and get into my kubuntu session!
[06:17] <valorie> it was bizarre
[06:22] <TJ-> That's a lightdm/greeter issue, possibly combined with X video driver issues
[06:23] <valorie> right, getting rid of that stuff cleared up the problems
[06:23] <valorie> I didn't change drivers though
[06:28] <TJ-> lightdm executes a few shell scripts as part of starting the X server and greeter, so there's always potential for it to mess up since part of that is using an appropriate theme (to match the desktop)
[06:29] <valorie> it used to work well for us
[06:30] <valorie> but it's been nothing for trouble since the advent of sddm
[06:30] <Maakuth> but if i have sddm selected as a default dm, are the lightdm scripts still getting executed?
[06:36] <valorie> Maakuth: I don't know, but this is the second time I've had to purge lightdm to get sddm to work correctly
[06:36] <valorie> your experience might vary
[08:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:56] <yossarianuk> Morning !
[08:56] <yossarianuk> Today is a good day
[08:56] <yossarianuk> http://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-official-ppa-graphics/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed
[08:57] <yossarianuk> so happy -Ubuntu will now always have the latest nvidia drivers !!!
[08:57] <yossarianuk> Progress for gamers.
[08:57] <yossarianuk> (and anyone who uses opengl.)
[08:58] <soee> yossarianuk: yes i already poted info on g+ https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/SCTg9pAdaY9
[08:58] <soee> *posted
[09:03] <hateball> it'll be even nicer once stuff gets added from the steamOS repos
[09:48] <ManDulan> Good morning my friends. I have a new laptop and I would like to NOT use the nvidia drivers neither the noveau one. How can I disable all? I want to use the integrated graphic card from Intel.
[09:54] <soee> well intell will be used if you dont switch to nvidia
[09:59] <ManDulan> and how to disable the noveau, soee ?
[10:01] <cojack> ManDulan: uninstall it?
[10:02] <ManDulan> cojack: and I will be using the Intel? I don't want to have any issue if I uninstall noveau and I start getting a black screen for example
[10:03] <ejay> ManDulan: unistall noveau and remove xorg.conf file, everything will be fine
[10:04] <cojack> ManDulan: fallback should be triggered and using vesa on intell vga
[10:04] <cojack> anyway, you have awlays recovery mode on boot
[10:05] <soee> ManDulan: i think even if noveau is installed but you are using intel then noveau drier is not used
[10:05] <cojack> ManDulan: and check a bios, maybe your laptop have an option to use one of the two cards, or maybe an priotity to use
[10:06] <cojack> soee: he can check it by lsmod
[10:07] <cojack> ohh maybe better option it's to blacklist nouveau in modprobe?
[10:08] <ManDulan> Doo you know which package I need to uninstall? Searching by "noveau" doesn't works
[10:08] <cojack> ManDulan: because you make a typo
[10:08] <cojack> it's nouveau
[10:08] <ManDulan> That's true, thanks cojack <3
[10:08] <cojack> ManDulan: np, and it should be xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[10:10] <ManDulan> I had to uninstall "xserver-xorg-video-all " because it said it depends on it.
[10:10] <ManDulan> I'll restart and see what happens.
[10:10] <ManDulan> Thank you guys
[10:10] <cojack> wait a sec!
[10:10] <cojack> do not rebot!
[10:10] <Simonious> I want one process to automatically startup as SU when I run screen (via .screenrc) - how can I do this?  Google is failing me :/
[10:10] <ManDulan> tell me
[10:11] <cojack> ManDulan: what did you do?
[10:11] <ManDulan> cojack: https://paste.kde.org/p0cajzhyi/az3ngd/raw
[10:12] <cojack> ManDulan: ok, sorry dude, my fault
[10:12] <cojack> go ahead and reboot
[10:12] <ManDulan> I'll come again to thank you again :P
[10:12] <ManDulan> brb
[10:13] <cojack> Simonious: imposible untill you're root
[10:13] <Simonious> can't even ask it to prompt for su pw?
[10:14] <cojack> by this way, then check just, add an bash sudo in this file and check
[10:14] <Simonious> I have 5 processes that I'd like to all startup on initiating screen, but the 1st one needs su to function
[10:18] <cojack> Simonious: you can also override screen start program to bash script and then write some bash script to run your sudo cmd and other stuff and at the end to run screen as well
[10:18]  * Simonious ponders
[10:19] <cojack> and Im sorry that I wrote that is something impossible under linux, blame me
[10:20] <ManDulan_> Helloo. How can I check which graphic drivers am I using?
[10:20] <cojack> good question
[10:22] <cojack> ManDulan_: sudo lshw -short
[10:22] <cojack> sudo lshw -short|grep display
[10:22] <cojack> or this
[10:23] <ManDulan_> so
[10:23] <ManDulan_>  /0/100/1/0                   display        NVIDIA Corporation /0/100/2                     display        4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[10:23] <ManDulan_> Which one? xD
[10:24] <cojack> sudo lshw -c display
[10:24] <cojack> what this one will return?
[10:26] <ManDulan_> cojack: https://paste.kde.org/p1lx7tdnv/iyzwu2/raw
[10:27] <cojack> :<
[10:27] <ManDulan_> If life is so fair, why roses have thorns? :'(
[10:28] <cojack> ManDulan_: do you have glxinfo ?
[10:28] <ManDulan_> No cojack
[10:28] <cojack> can u install mesa-utils ?
[10:29] <ManDulan_> Of course my bro
[10:29] <cojack> then after install try this command:
[10:29] <cojack> glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer string"
[10:29] <ManDulan_> cojack: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile
[10:29] <cojack> then u're at home
[10:29] <cojack> sorry, wrong sentence
[10:30] <cojack> or maybe good, im bad in this kind of slang
[10:30] <cojack> anyway you're using Intel vga, so it's what u want
[10:31] <ManDulan_> Thank you cojack
[10:31] <cojack> you're welcome
[10:31] <ManDulan_> I hope you'll be recompensated with girls and money
[10:31] <cojack> ManDulan_: haha, thanks ^^
[10:32] <Simonious> +1
[10:49] <yossarianuk> soee: cheers - good stuff, i'd argue its good for desktop users as well as laptop ones...
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <Simonious> I've got screen starting several processes on startup in splitscreens, if one of them fails I want it to drop to a bash shell, should be easy, right?
[11:25] <yossarianuk> hi - running plasma 5.3.2 (PPA) i have a simple usability question (may be best in #kde..) - when I choose an image for the lock screen  the scale is totally wrong..
[11:25] <yossarianuk> it doesn't seem to matter how small/large the image is either...
[11:25] <yossarianuk> anyway of scaling that ?
[12:19] <david__> hola
[12:23] <externalMonitorM> hell I have a question concerning KUBUNTU 15.04 with PLASMA .3.2
[12:24] <BluesKaj> externalMonitorM:  assume you meant plasma 5.2
[12:24] <externalMonitorM> how can I "mirror" what I see on an external monitor and what I see on my laptop screen? I just want to "mirror" it
[12:24] <externalMonitorM> PLASMA 5.3.2 yes
[12:25] <externalMonitorM> I cannot find it in the monitor settings in system configuration - is it perhaps still to be developed?
[12:26] <hateball> externalMonitorM: What drivers are you using?
[12:26] <hateball> If you're using nVidia you need to configure that stuff using nvidia-settings
[12:26] <hateball> (proprietary driver that is)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> externalMonitorM:  it should just mirror the X output by default afaik, but I haven't checked since 14.10 was on my laptop
[12:28] <externalMonitorM>  i am my system uses INTEL internal grafics, not NVIDIA
[12:30] <externalMonitorM> lspci -nnk | grep -i VGA -A2
[12:30] <externalMonitorM> gives
[12:30] <externalMonitorM> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09)         Subsystem: Sony Corporation Device [104d:908b]         Kernel driver in use: i915
[12:32] <BluesKaj> externalMonitorM:  what is showing on the external now ?
[12:32] <Simonious> easy way to remove trailing whitespace in #!/bin/bash script?
[12:32] <Simonious> (on just a variable)
[12:34] <hateball> Simonious: sed or awk
[12:36] <Simonious> ahh, got it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11791402/shell-script-how-to-trim-spaces-from-a-bash-variable
[12:51] <andhacker> hellow)
[13:05] <externalMonitorK> hello
[13:06] <externalMonitorK> I see two different screens on the external vs. Laptopscreen but i would like the two to be the same i.e. synchornized
[13:15] <TJ-> externalMonitorK: You mean 'cloned' ?
[13:18] <externalMonitorK> yes
[13:18] <externalMonitorK> so i see what happens on the big external monitor also on my laptop
[13:19] <externalMonitorK> just like "preentation modus" - would be the same with a video projector
[13:21] <TJ-> externalMonitorK: I usually use the command-line tool 'xrandr' to do such things, but I think the GUI display applet is supposed to be able to do it too
[13:23] <externalMonitorK>   in PLASMA 5 now this xrandr i think does not work any more?
[13:28] <TJ-> externalMonitorK: xrandr is how the monitors are controlled
[13:29] <anoneemouse> hi
[13:30] <anoneemouse> I'm having trouble when logging out. I have to log out twice. The first time around plasma is closed but I have to then press alt+f2 and type log out to get my desktop to properly log out\
[14:14] <Simonious> screenrc is great at starting processes and jumping to the next thing (when starting multiple screens) so great in fact that it starts things before the initial thing has had a chance to run...  I'd prefer not to have to introduce a delay into EVERY process, but rather introduce a delay into screenrc - can this be done?
[14:28] <josue_> Hi, how to enable a copy progress bar in kde? I dont want a notification widget
[14:29] <bigcat4> i would also like to know if that is possible.  i like the notification method, but it would be nice to know how to have it the other way as well
[14:29] <BluesKaj> in relation to which process, josue_?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> bigcat4:  what is possible?
[14:31] <bigcat4> when copying a file/folder from say the desktop to a USB stick, there is no popup progress indicator, only the one shown in the notification window, accessed via the bottom panel
[14:31] <bigcat4> is it possible to have a popup instead?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> sorry never gave it any thought, just rely on the notications progreessbar especially when transferring large files
[14:35] <BluesKaj> as I'm doing atm
[14:36] <BluesKaj> backing up my music and video folders to second a hdd from my laptop ..gotta have that redundancy
[14:37] <josue_> a copy big file process
[14:37] <josue_> or zip many files, i want a progress dialog, not hidden notification
[14:38] <BluesKaj> it's not hidden if you leave the notifier open
[14:38] <josue_> yes i know... but some wants a beatiful dialog kde3 style
[14:38] <bigcat4> it does keep it out of the way whilst working with other windows though, so it does have its advantages
[14:40] <bigcat4> plasma 5 is just beautiful.. i think it could sell linux to a lot of people who think linux desktops are stuck in the past
[14:41] <BluesKaj> josue_:  there may be a progress bar option/app for such uses , but this is the first time I've seen it requested
[14:42] <josue_> bigcat4 want too, but I can do? how?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> bigcat4:  really ? that's a matter of taste
[14:43] <josue_> of course...
[14:43] <josue_> now i lost (i) icon notification...
[14:43] <josue_> how to configure preferences?
[14:47] <josue_> so, it's possible recover old fashion progress copy dialog in kde4?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> josue_:  right click on "show hidden icons" in the panel near the clock, then choose system tray settings
[14:52] <josue_> ready, in preferences of notification widget, it's checket transfer files... I'll uncheck, some tutorials says this recover copy dialog... :P
[14:52] <bigcat4> BluesKaj: yes you're right of course and there are other modern looking desktops out there, but I think KDE has a great mix of traditional layout with a polished modern look, which a lot of non-technical users would find attractive
[14:57] <BluesKaj> tigcat4:  well once there are more kde look options for the plasma5 desktop i may agree, but the new "look" doesn't replace some of my favourite features that have been dropped by plasma5
[15:22] <josue_> not works... :(
[15:23] <josue_> those dialog was deleted from code :P
[15:23] <lordievader> Perhaps submit a wishlist bug?
[15:25] <josue_> they won't do if some can bring the copy dialog kd3 style
[15:34] <josue_> uncheck a notification option "Transfer files and work notifications" and copy dialog keep ocult
[16:05] <josue_> I want this... http://www.leobravo.cl/?p=1864 but not works... why'0
[16:32] <josue_> ready... I must restart plasma to apply changes :P
[16:32] <josue_> thanks to everybody
[17:12] <hhernandez1977> afternoon all
[17:13] <hhernandez1977> I am wanting to know has anyone gotten kmail to work with exchange?
[17:13] <hhernandez1977> I am trying to kmail at the office
[17:44] <theoffice> just hopped on the kubuntu train...yay!
[19:17] <Novice201y> Hello. After last restart I see glitches from moving windows :/ How to solve this?
[19:34] <Novice201y> Those glitches are on wallpaper.
[20:36] <kubuntu> hi


[00:03] <lynorian> is working now
 Yup, it should be. I could see some new ones there.
 I restarted the service.
 anyone looking at fixing the fcitx-qt5 ppc63el symbols in proposed?
[13:35] <ItzSwirlz> not me soz but i'll take a quick look
[13:40] <ItzSwirlz> yeah uh no thx
 @kc2bez [I think @teward001 restarted the phab service last time that went wonky.], this still broke?
 @kc2bez [I restarted the service.], ah OK yeah just restarting the service is usually good enough
 Yup, seemed to fix it.
[18:15] <wxl> i just accepted a bunch of accounts on phab. keep an eye out for spam
[18:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> ^ This is why we can't have nice things.
 *goes and makes wxl do things*
 wxl: pretty sure the three new phabricator accounts are spammers lol
 :P
[18:32] <wxl> well since you can't count (there's a lot more than three)…
[18:33] <wxl> as a rule i do not accept account requests with unverified emails
[18:33] <wxl> there were a couple of those that were quickly whisked away
 i mean the three new ones ;)
 but yes
 i don't observe the queues :)
 i leave those to you
 wxl: you have a broken task to fix on Phab
[18:37] <wxl> you can fix it
 aaaaaactually no I can't
 phone won't let me close out that task you originally made
 for the SRU for 19.10 tasks
 there we go
 @kc2bez if https://phab.lubuntu.me/T133 still needs handled it needs to go to a new task spot, since T130 (the parent) is dead now
[18:38] <wxl> told you you could :)
 *smacks wxl for not doing maintenance regularly anyways*
 @teward001 [@kc2bez if https://phab.lubuntu.me/T133 still needs handled it needs to go to a …], 19.10 is dead, long live 19.10 :P
 19.10 is dead, long live 20.04 :P
 @kc2bez on that note, someone was trying to install Disco
 (from lubuntu.net - found it on the reddit)
 Yeah they don't update.
 yup


[16:49] <skellat> Good afternoon
[16:50] <skellat> Anybody think we're sliding into winter a little early?
[17:52] <belkinsa> skellat, dunno, at least fall, yes.
[17:53] <skellat> It is a wee bit cool out for mid-August on Lake Erie's south shore today
[17:53] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[17:53] <belkinsa> It's cool down here too.
[17:54] <skellat> And that last long-range guesstimate for winter snow was of an expectation for higher than normal snow this winter
[17:55] <skellat> belkinsa: Did you catch the -contacts e-mail about planning for Ubuntu Global Jam?
[17:56] <belkinsa> Yeah, I did and i haven't watched the hangout video
[17:58] <skellat> Any thoughts on my random rambling to try to have a northern/central/southern split for activity planning?
[17:59]  * skellat just spotted this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/warcraft-to-memorialize-robin-williams-in-game-1.2737365?cmp=rss
[17:59] <jenni> [ Warcraft to memorialize Robin Williams in game - Technology & Science - CBC News ] - https://j.mp/1uXXlFm
[18:00] <belkinsa> skellat, I don't have any, mainly because of  the low numbers of active members of our LoCo.
[18:00] <skellat> belkinsa: Well, UGJ is a good time to turn folks from inactive to active and get folks to turn out.
[18:01] <belkinsa> You do have a point but still it's the worry of if we really have 99 or whatever members that LP says that we do.
[18:03] <skellat> There is something unannounced at LoCo Council level that may help with that after several rounds of back & forth wrangling.
[18:04] <skellat> With the northern/central/southern split for UGJ being a bit of a test run
[18:04] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[18:04] <belkinsa> Well, I think the North will have more luck then down here.  It seems that I'm the only one down here.
[18:05] <skellat> belkinsa: We never know for sure
[18:06] <belkinsa> True, true
[18:06] <skellat> Yeesh: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/15/new_mobe_market_data_finds_android_android_ber_alles/
[18:06] <jenni> [ Google's ANDROID CRUSHING smartphone rivals underfoot • The Register ] - https://j.mp/1uXYJrq
[18:11] <skellat> At least I don't have an utterly obscure device like one running Bada...my phone is on Windows Phone 8.1
[18:13]  * skellat disappears to get back to household chores
[20:36] <belkinsa> Hey skellat, is my wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa) to hard to read in this new format?
[21:39] <skellat> belkinsa: It looks fine


[05:13] <Unit193> Well, might as well say it here too.  I just did an unsupported upgrade path, Ubuntu Trusty Thar to Debian unstable. :D
[05:13] <Unit193> Seems to be fully functional, but of course wasn't an easy upgrade. :P
[05:53] <Unit193> systemd: 37 seconds, sysvinit: 55.


[20:42] <nelsk> I'd like to use an existing ESP for EFI boot (from windows 10), but I don't see any way to specify that in the advanced partition setup, can anyone advise?
[21:02] <nelsk> Looks like I'm not booting into EFI for some reason, seeing the bootloader install option was the clue
[21:02] <nelsk> was confused because I saw the image that I thought indicated EFI boot on launch


[00:00] <Latrina> so disklabel will bring a profit but sendboxed environment will not
[00:00] <Latrina> makes sense
[03:30] <pynki> hi guys, i have a postfix running that cannot send mails to outlook.com email adresses. i migrated the server from debian jessie where the same config it worked well. it sends mails to gmail without problems. any ideas/suggestions?
[04:03] <fishcooker> what's the smtp error code pynki... it would be better stay tune to the postfix channel
[04:07] <pynki> [....] , relay=mx2.hotmail.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]:25, delay=2, delays=0.98/0.02/0.43/0.58, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Queued mail for delivery)
[04:07] <pynki> it shows me a 250 in the mail.log. its strange
[08:50] <SupaYoshi> Hi, I tried upgrading from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to 16.04, to 14.04 worked fine, but now I'm stuck with a broken apt-get / dpkg
[08:51] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24781720/
[09:08] <Ben64> upgrade didn't complete
[09:09] <SupaYoshi> mhm
[09:09] <SupaYoshi> so what shall i do?
[09:09] <Ben64> i'd reinstall
[09:10] <SupaYoshi> kay x
[09:11] <SupaYoshi> i;ve got a lot of custom configs and so :P i'd rather upgrade
[09:11] <SupaYoshi> i made a backup before going to 14.04
[09:12] <SupaYoshi> might restore the backup and tehn upgrade to 14.04 again
[09:12] <SupaYoshi> and then remove php5
[09:12] <Ben64> well you can try to go through your sources and all the packages that aren't correct
[09:12] <SupaYoshi> cus that seems to be the cuprit?
[09:12] <SupaYoshi> libapache2-mod-php5 is the package going wrong
[09:12] <Ben64> why would it be php
[09:12] <SupaYoshi> when i do upgraed, it tries to process that package, and that errors out.
[09:13] <SupaYoshi> also when autoremove or any
[09:13] <Ben64> whats in your sources
[09:16] <SupaYoshi> em a lot
[09:16] <Ben64> well that's helpful
[09:18] <SupaYoshi> lol its hard to copy the entire content to pastebin
[09:31] <SupaYoshi> Im just going to restore my backup to 12.04 upgrade to 14.04
[09:32] <SupaYoshi> backup again and remove php5 and then install 16.04
[09:32] <fallentree> SupaYoshi: sounds like it'd be easier to just back up data, and install 16.04.02 fresh new
[09:33] <ogra_> how exactly did you upgrade ... the switch from upstart (14.04) to systemd (16.04) is pretty complex and can only properly be handled by update-manager (there are package removals of essential bits that need to be handled etc)
[09:39] <SupaYoshi> hi ogra_, i first dist dist-upgrade to 14.04 lts from 12.04.3 lts
[09:39] <SupaYoshi> that went fine
[09:40] <ogra_> you mean you didnt use update-manager ?
[09:40] <SupaYoshi> after that completed, i ran dist-upgrade again from 14.04 to 16.04 without any apt-get upgrades in between
[09:40] <SupaYoshi> that proballuy casued it.
[09:40] <SupaYoshi> I never use a gui, or update-manager, I just use apt-get upgrade.
[09:41] <ogra_> well, if you dont use update-manager you will end up having to do the exact same steps it does to remove packages from the essntial set.... in the end you will have ot do exactly the same just by hand, so i'd just go with it
[09:42] <SupaYoshi> ?
[09:42] <SupaYoshi> so what do you suggest me doing ogra_
[09:42] <ogra_> switching out the init system underneath a runnig system is pretty non-trivial and cant easily just be handled by package dependencies ... there are manual steps involved
[09:42] <ogra_> SupaYoshi, to always use update-manager when upgrading release to release ...
[09:43] <ogra_> like all server docs suggest ;)
[09:43] <ogra_> (note that this also the only upgrade path that gets extensive testing by the QA team)
[09:47] <SupaYoshi> sudo do-release-upgrade = not using the upgrade manager?
[09:47] <SupaYoshi> sudo apt-get upgrade = not using the upgrade manager?
[09:47] <ogra_> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[09:48] <SupaYoshi> yeah thats what i done./
[09:48] <ogra_> using do-release-upgrade ? not plain apt ?
[09:50] <SupaYoshi> nope do-release-upgrade yes
[09:50] <SupaYoshi> from 12.04 to 14.04 worked fine
[09:50] <SupaYoshi> then i went to 16.04
[09:50] <SupaYoshi> and then that dpkg error came up
[09:51] <ogra_> weird ... you said above you had issues with php5 ... but update-manager should have removead all traces of php5 ...
[09:51] <SupaYoshi> YEah and I think it did except for that one instance of apache php5.
[09:51] <ogra_> (there is no php5 in 16.04 anymore)
[09:51] <ogra_> that sounds surely like an update-manager bug then
[09:51] <SupaYoshi> how do i do , do-release-upgrade without all the silly changelogs and so?
[09:52] <ogra_> changelogs ?
[09:52] <SupaYoshi> because it took ages reading the changelogs yesterday,
[09:52] <SupaYoshi> chanlogs
[09:52] <SupaYoshi> during the upgrade, it was like... reading changelogs 1%... 4%  took ages?
[09:52]  * ogra_ never had changelogs when upgrading with do-release-upgrade
[09:52] <ogra_> you mean it shows them ?
[09:53] <SupaYoshi> well no, but i just dont see the point in it "reading changlogs" if it just has to upgrade
[09:54] <ogra_> are you sure it said "changelogs" ?
[09:54] <SupaYoshi> ill let you know upgrading to 14.04 now
[09:55] <SupaYoshi> this server has been running 12.04 lts since august 2013, no issues
[09:55] <SupaYoshi> so i never wanted to upgrade the release incase of problems
[09:55] <SupaYoshi> but since i've made a backup now i'm feeling safe and its the end of support so yeah
[09:55] <ogra_> (there is indeed no need to read any changelog entries, it processes *changes* and needs to handle removals, dropping (and rolling back) PPAs and such but doing any processing of changelogs shouldnt happen)
[09:56] <ogra_> in any case, if you use do-release-upgrade and run into a broken system afterwards, please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug
[09:57] <ogra_> (and always make sure to have the latest update-manager-coore installed before running it ... from ${release}-updates)
[09:57] <SupaYoshi> okay cool
[09:57] <SupaYoshi> so ogra, when im on 14.04
[09:58] <SupaYoshi> do i first do, apt-get upgrade
[09:58] <SupaYoshi> and then do-release-upgrade
[09:58] <SupaYoshi> or can i go straight to the do-release-upgrade?
[09:58] <ogra_> no ... you do: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && do-release-upgrade
[09:58] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24782098/
[09:59] <SupaYoshi> oki
[09:59] <ogra_> funny, i wonder why it does that
[10:01] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24782108/ on and on,...
[10:01] <SupaYoshi> takes a long time.
[10:03] <ogra_> that sounds like another bug to me
[10:08] <SupaYoshi> heh what to do with et
[10:11] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24782320/
[10:13] <fallentree> SupaYoshi: upgrading from 12.04? Need to follow this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[11:01] <SupaYoshi> okay upgrade completed, em
[11:01] <SupaYoshi> I'm trying to remove libapache2-mod-php5
[11:01] <SupaYoshi> on ubuntu 14.04 but that gives me an error already
[11:05] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24782609/
[11:23] <SupaYoshi> no-one an ieda?
[11:25] <SupaYoshi> ondrej-php5-oldstable-precise.list i need to remove this i think
[11:53] <robodep> hi all
[12:09] <SupaYoshi> im having a really hard time removing libapache2-mod-php5
[12:10] <SupaYoshi> https://www.howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/trusty/libapache2-mod-php5?action=remove
[12:10] <SupaYoshi> this wont work
[12:27] <teward> SupaYoshi: uhm, I presume you restarted Apache after removing it?
[12:27] <teward> "this won't work" is vague too, what do you mean it didn't work.
[12:30] <robodep> I've been trying to partition multiple disks via kickstart and nothing seems to work. Does anyone have any pointers?
[12:33] <robodep> everything I've found refers to the preseed/late_command to create partitions, mkfs and append an entry to fstab, but none of that has worked so far.
[16:58] <mason> Ugh. I very much dislike that shutdown now links to systemctl, allowing admin users to shut down or reboot without a passphrase.
[16:58] <mason> I liked having the extra step.
[18:01] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: hi! are you able to test pacemaker packages?
[18:15] <relativemedia> hey all im trying to get xenial to bind to my windows 2016 ad farm... i can pull users via getent passwd but i get a system error when trying to ssh into a box with my ad user
[18:15] <relativemedia>  pam_sss(sshd:account): Access denied for user mike: 4 (System error)
[18:15] <RoyK> when would one use pacemaker over keepalived and vice versa?
[18:15] <relativemedia> this is the guide im following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[18:16] <sarnold> relativemedia: what's error 4?
[18:16] <relativemedia> no idea lol
[18:16] <sarnold> relativemedia: do the ad logs include something more details?
[18:16] <relativemedia> wrong guide, this is the guide
[18:16] <relativemedia> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html
[18:17] <relativemedia> net ads user shows users too and klist shows a ticket
[18:20] <relativemedia> ad log are no go
[18:59] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: no I havne't done that I think
[19:00] <cpaelzer> some basics when I did a fix, but nothing decent enough to say " I can test"
[19:00] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: ok, trying to find a way to test the security updates I have ready
[19:00] <mdeslaur> cpaelzer: thanks
[19:02] <cpaelzer> mdeslaur: maybe the openstack Team can help to excecise that
[19:02] <mdeslaur> is it actually used in openstack?
[19:02] <mdeslaur> oh, it is
[19:37] <SupaYoshi> hey, i am unable to remove php5 from my ubuntu 14.04 system
[22:45] <SupaYoshi> Hi I've got a PhP application that needs to run on 5.4 which is only used internally on the LAN.
[22:45] <SupaYoshi> And I cannot install php fpm 5.4 on xenial.
[22:45] <SupaYoshi> is there a way to run a virtual machine with php 5.4.? I know it;s in secure, but I'm needing that application :)
[22:51] <nacc> SupaYoshi: of course, run it in a container or VM
[22:51] <nacc> SupaYoshi: run trusty in a container or VM, I mean
[22:51] <nacc> SupaYoshi: oh but that will be 5.5
[22:51] <nacc> SupaYoshi: there is no 5.4 in ubuntu
[23:42] <SupaYoshi> nacc , i used to have 5.4 on 12.04
[23:44] <nacc> SupaYoshi: 12.04 is eol
[23:44] <SupaYoshi> ik
[23:44] <SupaYoshi> thast why i upgraded
[23:44] <SupaYoshi> but my webapp needs 5.4 becuse it sucks
[23:47] <sarnold> it looks like php 5.4 may be in debian's LTS project https://wiki.debian.org/LTS -- you might ask them if php 5.4 is on their supported list?
[23:50] <sarnold> I don't know much about centos but it looks like centos 7 is still supported and I see a php 5.4 in http://vault.centos.org/7.3.1611/os/Source/SPackages/


[15:12] <Ignition> Tried to buy an Ubuntu USB - not avail. in the Canonical Store. Please get this sorted !
[15:12] <Ignition> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
[18:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: hahahahaha


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[05:20] <BHSPitLappy> the recently-dugg intrepid mockup makes me sad
[05:21] <BHSPitLappy> http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-2-93584910
[05:21] <BHSPitLappy> people actually believe that the closer ubuntu gets to actually being OSX, the better
[06:20] <darkmatter> lol.. os x clones are bad enough, but anyone that thinks decent graphical design is enough to make ubuntu even remotely better needs to be shot *hides*
[06:24] <BHSPitLappy> anyone who thinks that approaching OSX's design is synonymous with being more professional and polished
[06:24] <BHSPitLappy> like, I think people actually think that the idea is to copy osx, and that we have been constantly failing due to technical reasons or something
[06:26] <darkmatter> we've been constantly failing because most of the FOSS design teams cant tell the difference between metacity and a toolbar. I facepalmed over a deiscussion regarding a theme issue in a distros artwork/packaging channel the other day... so sad
[06:34] <darkmatter> but that being said, the linked mockup looks nothing like osx :P I doesn't look that great either, but not osx
[06:40] <BHSPitLappy> darkmatter, it's pitifully clear that's what was intended;  a brown, wooden OSX.
[06:40] <BHSPitLappy> panel on top, dock on bottom, dashboard widgets shown, quicksilver on display
[06:41] <BHSPitLappy> (I understand that it's gnome, awn, screenlets, gnome-do... but they're all pieces to a grander puzzle)
[06:41] <darkmatter> pfft.. it takes more than gnome-do and awn to make osx :P
[06:43] <pwnguin> darkmatter: do you have a blog?
[06:43] <darkmatter> BHSPitLappy: but regardless, 99.99999999537 % of gnome 'mockups' make me vomit. the rest make me scratch my head in bewilderment because they look nearly identical to current ui's but with a palette shift :P
[06:43] <darkmatter> pwnguin: nope
[06:43] <pwnguin> hmm
[06:44] <pwnguin> it strikes me that the most important thing then that you could do is communicate publicly what technology does what
[06:44] <BHSPitLappy> darkmatter, I guess the next step would be to close the source, lock it down and sell it
[06:44] <BHSPitLappy> then would we have osx?
[06:45] <pwnguin> i agree that a depressing amount of ideas involve radical changes suggested by people who don't have a good understanding of the status quo
[06:46] <darkmatter> BHSPitLappy: when did I imply locking it down or making it look like osx? I said its crap, crap, and more crap ;) of course, so is the competition, but we already knew that
[06:47] <pwnguin> heh. i just looked at the deviant art page BHS dropped
[06:47] <BHSPitLappy> dropped it like it's hot
[06:47] <BHSPitLappy> or stupid
[06:48] <pwnguin> ive seen much much worse wood themes from participants in this channel
[06:49] <BHSPitLappy> well, they definitely made it look "nice"
[06:49] <BHSPitLappy> but this is supposed to be the bold new direction ubuntu has been neglecting?
[06:50] <pwnguin> presumably, if its a bold new direction, then everyone's been neglecting it
[06:50] <pwnguin> and i dare say, release early release often
[06:51] <pwnguin> its easier to propose radical changes if there's an expectation that it will be rapidly improved upon
[06:53] <darkmatter> unfortunately there is no 'bold new direction' in currently established desktops, they've been around to long, with to much expected as 'norm'. radical and "better than now' changes are easy enough for the most part, but they wouldn't really be accepted with open arms. just look at the hate-mail regarding the changes made to the windows ui ;)
[06:53] <darkmatter> If you want radical, sweeping changes start a new DE xD
[06:54] <pwnguin> heh
[06:54] <pwnguin> switch to enlightenmentbuntu
[06:55] <BHSPitLappy> if we want to really blaze a new trail
[06:55] <BHSPitLappy> we need to make the arrow cursor point down
[06:55] <BHSPitLappy> now THAT will turn some heads
[06:56] <pwnguin> that's like three seconds in gimp
[06:56] <darkmatter> yay! then we can have a stable release in 2095 alongside RC 1 of DR!& :P
[06:56] <BHSPitLappy> you mean it's an elegant change
[06:56] <pwnguin> go make human-cursor-painful right now if you like
[06:56] <darkmatter> DR17* <-- damn typo
[06:56] <BHSPitLappy> well
[06:56] <BHSPitLappy> if we're seriously going on with the Human theme, our mouse cursor needs to be a photo of a human finger
[06:57] <BHSPitLappy> rendered actual-size on the screen
[06:57] <pwnguin> why
[06:57] <BHSPitLappy> because it's HIG you imbecile
[06:57] <BHSPitLappy> whatever that means
[06:58] <darkmatter> and the theme buttons need to be b00beez :o
[06:58] <BHSPitLappy> darkmatter, we've moved on since Warty
[06:58] <pwnguin> well im only going to absorb so much negativity from this channel
[06:58] <darkmatter> because usability studies have shown people are more apt to push thigs that look relatively soft and pliable :P
[06:59] <BHSPitLappy> pwnguin, then I'm afraid there is little more you can learn from us.
[06:59] <BHSPitLappy> come back when you're ready to expand your horizons
[07:00] <pwnguin> BHSPitLappy: do you have a different proposal for intrepid?
[07:01] <BHSPitLappy> pwnguin, no, but it probably would involve lolcats
[07:01] <darkmatter> and stoned chipmunks
[07:02] <pwnguin> then why is it that *I* need to go away?
[07:04] <darkmatter> I believe the answer is 'because'
[07:04] <BHSPitLappy> pwnguin, chill
[07:05] <pwnguin> dont waste my time
[07:05] <BHSPitLappy> pwnguin, I believe you pulled that trigger yourself when you decided to use IRC :P
[07:06] <pwnguin> then you fundamentally misunderstand the power of irc
[07:06] <pwnguin> and im starting to believe i fundamentally underestimate the power of /ignore
[07:07] <BHSPitLappy> I fundamentally believe you're throwing a tantrum
[07:09] <darkmatter> I fundamentally believe I need to ROFL
[07:29] <DanaG> random: http://www.skinit.com/skins/Miscellaneous_Designs/animal_prints&resourceId=1840
[07:29] <DanaG> Heh, make a laptop look like animal skin.
[07:35] <darkmatter> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1078/1440816460_88c823c55e_o.jpg <-- RAWRRR!
[07:46] <pwnguin> DanaG: your skinit url didnt work?
[07:51] <DanaG> Worked for me.
[07:51] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:51] <DanaG> http://www.skinit.com/skins/Miscellaneous_Designs/animal_prints
[17:59] <xanax`> hello
[18:00] <vadi2> hello
[19:25] <xanax`> hi thorwil
[19:25] <thorwil> hi xanax`
[19:26] <xanax`> I just posted a comment on your blog about the "circle of friends icon" of ubuntu brainstorm help 3
[19:26] <xanax`> nice work
[19:26] <thorwil> thanks
[19:27] <thorwil> hmm, wordpress must be lagging
[19:34] <thorwil> xanax`: something went wrong, it seems
[19:34] <thorwil> no comment
[19:36] <xanax`> :(
[19:36] <xanax`> maybe my nickname was considered as spam
[19:36] <xanax`> xanax..
[19:42] <thorwil> indeed
[19:43]  * thorwil despams
[19:44]  * xanax` sent the same message with another name
[19:44] <thorwil> xanax`: thank you. sorry about that. after a few times, i stopped checking "caught spam" for i never saw a false positive
[19:44] <thorwil> "Akismet has caught 2,895 spam for you since you first installed it."
[19:45] <xanax`> it's a positive one imo. it's just my nick that doesn't help me sending messages on blogs..
[19:45] <thorwil> compare with 183 valid comments ...
[19:45] <thorwil> xanax`: switch to notxanax ;)
[19:45] <xanax`> hehe
[19:45] <xanax`> hmm why not.
[19:46] <xanax`> oops
[19:46] <thorwil> actually, likely to trigger, too
[19:46] <xanax`> now that I sent another message with another name, both look similar..
[19:47] <thorwil> deleted the first one
[19:47] <xanax`> thanks
[19:48] <thorwil> we don't want to inflate my ego with double posts, right? ;)
[19:48] <xanax`> no, we don't. :)
[19:49] <xanax`> out of context question : is gmail a good mailbox ? I hesitate registering..
[19:49] <vadi2> pretty nice. haven't worried about deleting anything because of space limitations since I started it :)
[19:49] <thorwil> i only know that gmail seems to make it difficult to behave well on mailing lists :/
[19:50] <_MMA_> hehe
[19:51] <thorwil> _MMA_: i really wonder what it is about that list, as i see no such happenings elsewhere
[19:51] <_MMA_> I've given up. I'll be leaving soon. Once Ken gets ubuntu-artwork-devel up Ill go there. I need a more serious place.
[19:54] <thorwil> _MMA_: maybe it should be called ubuntu-artwork-fascist-edition ;)
[19:55] <_MMA_> hahahahah
[20:00] <melat0nin> what is the current position with Intrepid's artwork?
[20:00] <melat0nin> there have been some gorgeous mockups on the mailing list in the last few days
[20:01] <_MMA_> They mean nothing unfortunately.
[20:02] <thorwil> well, maybe one or the other of the installable themes might make it
[20:02] <melat0nin> what does 'make it' mean
[20:02] <thorwil> but i'm pretty sure ken will have to supply the next default
[20:03] <thorwil> melat0nin: be included on the cd. next best thing would be an extra-themes package
[20:03] <_MMA_> melat0nin: Mockups are often not real. Someone would have to "make it" real.
[20:03] <_MMA_> thorwil: Yeah. It will be more of what we have now. Very little will change unless something drastic happens.
[20:04] <melat0nin> i liked ken's recent efforts, and they were installable
[20:04] <melat0nin> esp the one with the cool 'frame' around the windows
[20:05] <melat0nin> so is the intention to completely redo the theme with Intrepid is ...hot air?
[20:05] <melat0nin> :/
[20:07] <melat0nin> _MMA_: what do you think that drastic thing should be?
[20:07] <melat0nin> or could be
[20:08] <_MMA_> I have no clue. I only help in *little* areas that most people don't see. I spend my time doing the look and feel of Ubuntu Studio.
[20:11] <melat0nin> ahh, well that looks great
[20:11] <melat0nin> how did you Studio guys manage to get a cohesive drive to create a good looking OS, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to manage it?
[20:11] <melat0nin> i don't understand the politics
[20:13] <_MMA_> Because we're a project that doesn't have corporate interests in mind. Has a very specific target audience and only has me to work on the art. (kinda)
[20:13] <melat0nin> hmmm
[20:14] <_MMA_> I've had help here and there but its that I make the decisions and impliment whatever has been planed.
[20:14] <_MMA_> *implement
[20:15] <melat0nin> does ubuntu have a similar figure who is a guiding force?
[20:15] <melat0nin> everything seems to piecemeal at the moment, from what i can tell
[20:15] <thorwil> melat0nin: mark shuttleworth has the final say, but refuses to set any but the most vague guidelines. anyone we some experience will stay the hell out of this theming business, because you have a client you rarely even get to talk to
[20:16] <vadi2> that's interesting, I read the opposite thing in an intreview...
[20:16] <melat0nin> thorwil: but he himself said he would like the ubuntu desktop experience to surpass os x, so surely he should be more active in this?
[20:16] <_MMA_> thorwil: Well, it's that he wants something truly mind-blowing that actually works. Most people don't put the time into making the mock-ups reality.
[20:16] <thorwil> he seems to hope for some leader(s) to emerge from the masses
[20:16] <melat0nin> particularly since time is running out on the intrepid release...
[20:16] <vadi2> (something along the lines ubuntu not really having it's art orgnized)
[20:17] <melat0nin> who is ken, out of interest?
[20:17] <_MMA_> It's a mix of issues as to why the art is the way it is.
[20:17] <melat0nin> those working themes on the mailing list seemed to be a big step forward from just mockups/talk
[20:18] <_MMA_> And if Mark doesn't like them one is only left with packaging it for possible inclusion in Ubuntu but not default. Some hate that idea. Some don't care to get it packaged.
[20:19] <thorwil> melat0nin: ken = kenneth wimer, art director. kwwii here
[20:19] <melat0nin> ah, thanks
[20:19] <thorwil> except if you meant another ken from the list
[20:19] <_MMA_> It really takes someone with the initiative/drive to get it done. Most don't have it.
[20:19] <melat0nin> whichever ken made those cool working themes
[20:19] <melat0nin> surely the 'art director' should direct the artwork?
[20:19] <_MMA_> That's Ken V.
[20:19] <melat0nin> (!)
[20:20] <_MMA_> You would think. But that's not how it works around here.
[20:20] <melat0nin> so what does he do?
[20:21] <_MMA_> Packages art and tries to do what Mark wants.
[20:21]  * melat0nin sighs
[20:25] <_MMA_> There's other things thrown in there but not that people readily see.
[21:05] <melat0nin> i'm sure it has been proposed before, but would it be worth having a democratic system whereby the community can vote on mockups etc, and therefore give momentum to their work and an impetus to continue towards working themes
[21:05] <melat0nin> brainstorm could be modified for this quite easily
[21:14] <thorwil> melat0nin: make a list of great examples of artwork. go through it and think how much any of them had to do with democracy
[21:14] <thorwil> good night :)
[21:16] <melat0nin> fair point
[21:16] <melat0nin> but it might break the stalemate if a particular mockup/theme has x thousand votes behind it
[21:16] <melat0nin> for designer morale, if nothing else


[00:02] <game2> ailo: thanks. I'll follow up there at some stage.
[11:30] <ollim> hi, i have a usb audio/guitar interface that works when recording to audacity, but i cannot start jack with it, any troubleshooting tips beyond those present at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Troubleshooting_Jack would be most welcome.
[11:43] <ollim> ah, got it working at 16 bit after all after trying enough combinations of settings. :|
[16:24] <Guest28333> hello i am having trouble installing ustudio wether via cd or usb
[16:24] <Guest28333> it seems to hang after saying that i have nothing to import...
[16:24] <Guest28333> md5sum checks out fine
[16:38] <Guest28333> is using sudo apt-get purge ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[16:38] <Guest28333> the solution?
[17:07] <Guest28333> did any one with an amd system need to: sudo apt-get purge ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[17:08] <Guest28333> to get a succesful installation???
[17:14] <Guest28333> still no luck going slow even loading ustudio try first...
[17:14] <Guest28333> im tempted to try kxstudio dvd
[17:15] <Guest28333> even though i am not a fan of kde related desktop
[17:15] <Guest28333> or qt
[17:15] <Guest28333> but i may be forced too
[17:24] <Guest28333> had to use dvd again! can someone pls. create the alternate installer again, it used to work fine!


[00:09] <pilne> i'm looking for pointers/direction for making my terminal a bit more... colorful
[00:09] <pilne> while remaining the standard bash
[00:18] <nomic> you can change colors in terminal
[00:24] <pilne> yeah, i'm going to have to dig into my .bashrc a bit i think to get different kinds of files listed in different colors the way I want :) also my prompt could be a bit more colorful for my older eyes lol
[01:06] <bdragonsl> how's it going all?
[01:24] <nomic> ok
[01:32] <pilne> would there be any major reason not to develop things in go for deployment on ubuntu mate?
[02:47] <isaiah__> ubuntu mate looks like osx
[06:16] <guest-LzcugQ> haaaaalllllooo
[09:53] <amministratore> hello
[10:05] <wangqinglu> hello
[10:06] <wangqinglu> anybody here?
[10:15] <inspexs> hello
[11:39] <francesco_> Hello ever
[11:40] <francesco_> yone, i have just reboot my ubuntu mate 16.04 machine and i have speech-dispatcher running (and i don't remember how i've started it...). How can i turn if off the right way? Thank you in advance.
[12:34] <mate|1971> Hi guys! i have mac book and i istall the 16.04 ubuntu and i dont have wifi how i can resolve!!!
[12:34] <mate|1971> ?
[15:03] <BlackPanx> is it possible to login with fingerprint on ubuntu mate ?
[15:04] <BlackPanx> i have laptop that has fingerprint scanner
[16:19] <ouroumov> BlackPanx, see on the OEM website if they provide Linux drivers
[16:19] <ouroumov> That said OS-side, I don't know of such a feature
[17:28] <mario_> i
[17:29] <mario_> hi
[17:29] <ouroumov> hi mario_
[17:29] <mario_> esp?¿
[17:29] <mario_> ?¿?¿?¿¿¿
[17:30] <ouroumov> Better to stick to English, but if you need it there's a #ubuntu-es chatroom as well as a spanish section on the forum
[17:30] <ouroumov> mario_, https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/multilingual/spanish
[17:30] <mario_> thanx
[17:31] <ouroumov> mario_, you can't still ask your question here ^^
[17:31] <ouroumov> you can *
[17:32] <ouroumov> But beware there might not be any Spanish speakers around. :)
[17:55] <gordonjcp> ouroumov: or not, I guess
[17:56] <ouroumov> ^^
[17:57] <ouroumov> As the American say, "c'est la vie"
[17:57] <ouroumov> Americans*
[18:04] <gordonjcp> quite so
[18:27] <pilne> most americans probably secretly prefer the version identical to an anthrax album's title
 most americans probably secretly prefer the version identical to an anthrax album's title -> What album is that? :o
[19:50] <pilne> ouroumov-: "speak english or die" lol
[19:53] <ouroumov> ^^"
[20:49] <Guest8741> Hola buenos dias como estan soy Sergio y nuevo en esto, solo pasaba para ver si alguien me habla...que tal?
[20:52] <sergio__> Buenos dias a todos me alegra ser parte de esta gran comunida soy nuevo en esto y no me importaria que alguien me diera una mano, como estan?
[20:53] <ouroumov> Hi sergio__
[20:53] <sergio__> hola como estas...!!!
[20:53] <ouroumov> sergio__, not a lot of Spanish speakers around, but we have a dedicated section on our forum: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/multilingual/spanish
[20:54] <nomic>  .z.z..z.z
[22:27] <justatest> Right. Back to being Bokmûske.
[22:29] <Bokmuske> Every now and then, Caja doesn't show recognise the PNGs I save XXXX export from tyen GIMP until I switch folders.
[22:29] <Bokmuske> Everyone or just me?
[22:29] <Bokmuske> ("tyen" is an alternative spelling of "the". (-:)
[22:52] <mate|77793> hello i'm using a pppoe connection to connect to the internet,i downloaded Ubuntu Mate 16.04,put it on a usb stick, and created a dsl connection with my credentials(in the live environment,not installed on hdd),but the problem is that it does not connect.In Mate 15.10 works just fine
[23:08] <Bokmuske> Not a clue, but what is ppppoe?
[23:12] <mate|77793> i meant a dsl connection,meaning a user and password from your isp to connect to the internet
[23:13] <mate|77793> and for some reason, it does not work,but in 15.10 works fine
[23:14] <mate|77793> this happened in normal ubuntu 15.04 too,i don't know about ubuntu mate
[23:15] <mate|77793> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1324895 the same bug in fedora but seems they already fixed it
[23:38] <shadow1> am unable to reduced my brightness
[23:56] <Bokmuske> Ah, I find that refreshing the Caja window is also enough to make it display the png properly.


[00:41] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4187 opened: Environment is being set for classic snaps <Bug> <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4187>
[04:06] <mup> PR snapd#12853 closed: interfaces: add support for Bluez OBEX agent D-Bus API to bluez interface <Created by kenvandine> <Merged by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12853>
[09:47] <mup> PR snapd#12862 opened: shutdown: fix reboot and shutdown in core desktop <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12862>
[11:28] <mup> PR snapd#12863 opened: interfaces/upower-observe: allow it in core-desktop <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12863>
[12:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#4188 opened: elf_utils: add missing triplet for i386 <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4188>
[15:19] <mup> PR snapd#12864 opened: interfaces/audio: remove write permissions in pulse folder <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12864>
[16:22] <throstur> how do I find the files created by an application that was run with snap?
[16:25] <throstur> in other words, I'm looking for wine_c/program files/someprogram folder, where is it?
[16:32] <mup> PR pc-gadget#96 closed: Proper series arch handling <Created by lool> <Merged by sil2100> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-gadget/pull/96>
[17:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#4189 opened: deps: update python-apt for core22 change <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4189>
[18:08] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4190 opened: Improve error message when attempting to refreseh a local snap <Enhancement> <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4190>
[22:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#4189 closed: deps: update python-apt for core22 change <Created by lengau> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4189>