[00:00] <Kitt3n> rlw, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XFProt
[00:00] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: https://dpaste.de/4WbP4/
[00:00] <rlw> thanks for the link but that does't work
[00:00] <rlw> not helpful
[00:00] <Kitt3n> rlw, 'what' doesn't work?
[00:00] <rlw> it's jargon
[00:00] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: ensure you have backups if you don't already.  Then you can try to downgrade python
[00:00] <Kitt3n> rlw, what?
[00:01] <rlw> Kitt3n: it's Jargon
[00:01] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: Nothing important is on here (Wubi install), so how can I downgrade Python??
[00:01] <whoever_> rlw: if you don't give a reason or something other than "I need help, " we can not help
[00:01] <Kitt3n> rlw, I don't understand what you're talking about, but that link explains how to install xfprot.
[00:01] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: try « sudo apt-get install python=2.7.3-0ubuntu7.1 »
[00:02] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: is "python" the only package you installed?
[00:02] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: It won't let me do apt-get install: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[00:02] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: pastebin full input and output
[00:02] <whoever_> rlw: so what doesn't work on or with xfprot,
[00:02] <rlw> Whoever_: Hello there, here is what I need to do here is what i've done so far: XFPROT is a graphical frontend to the F-Prot Antivirus(TM) for Linux  Download the latest version from here  sudo wget http://web.tiscali.it/sharp/xfprot/xfprot-1.18.tar.gz  sudo tar xzvf xfprot-1.18.tar.gz  cd xfprot-1.18  sudo ./configure --with-sudo --autodetect --without-debug --with-install-dir=/usr/local  sudo make  sudo checkinstall  Once this finishes
[00:03] <captine> Hi all.  Just checking.  I was able to pick up a macbook 2013 model using points on credit card, but am wanting to ask if anyone has successfully run ubuntu on it (not in a VM but native).  Wanting to get rid of osx if possible
[00:03] <jrib> !mac | captine
[00:03] <Kitt3n> rlw, what do you need help with?
[00:03] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: https://dpaste.de/sOdhF/
[00:03]  * whoever_ i knew it, he can say more then "hellp "
[00:03] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: thanks for taking the time to try and help btw
[00:04] <rlw> I need to install to if you understand I'm a expert on Windows Platform, but I wanted a change Kitt3n, but anyways
[00:04] <rlw> can you help to install it
[00:04] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: try installing the  2.7.3-0ubuntu7 version instead.  You may have not been up to date when you installed your custom version
[00:04] <Kitt3n> rlw, the page says EXACTLY how you need to do it?
[00:04] <rlw> IWhich one
[00:04] <captine> jrib: thanks.  from that, I am guessing no one has documented using it on my model.
[00:05] <Kitt3n> captine, why did you buy a mac anyway?
[00:05] <rlw> It's JARGON!!!!
[00:05] <holstein> rlw: what do you need help with?
[00:05] <whoever_> rlw: this tells you exactly how to install it, and how to sym-lynk so that it will work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XFProt
[00:06] <captine> Kitt3n: was leaving the Philippines and when closing my credit card, they told me i had $500 worth of points and the mac store was the only tech store to use it on… hence, got $500 off
[00:06] <jrib> captine: it should just be a matter of grabbing the iso with mac support (http://releases.ubuntu.com), booting a dvd, and following the instructions.  But I cannot say I have personal experience with your model
[00:06] <rlw> ok
[00:06] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: I think it worked... It did a downgrade and now I can apt-get install other stuff! Thanks so much!
[00:07] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: no problem.  You're aware python 3.3 is in the repositories as "python3"?
[00:07] <captine> Kitt3n: my old laptop (Acer i7) is in the container in transit.  Also have a mac mini server which I bought just for the size of it… but need to also get ubuntu or proxmox running headless on it
[00:07] <captine> jrib: thanks.  I will try the install once I have a drive to backup to, and will try see if anything breaks...
[00:08] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: I wasn't at the time but I am now. I think I tried "install python3" and it kept me on Python 3.2 but that might've been because I had to update/upgrade something-or-other
[00:08] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: are you on ubuntu 13.04?
[00:08] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: 12.10
[00:09] <jrib> !info python3 quantal
[00:09] <Kitt3n> captine, the best solution is to stay away from Mac at all costs
[00:10] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: yeah looks like you'll only get 3.2 then.  You can compile it, but I would recommend just doing it as your user and keeping it in $HOME.
[00:10] <captine> Kitt3n: Noted.  Will look at Lenovo next, as my work machine installed ubuntu perfectly just before i handed it back
[00:10] <ickers> Folks, can anyone point me at an official page somewhere which defines what "support" means for Ubuntu LTS releases?
[00:11] <leo-the-manic_> jrib: There is a python3.3 package that I was able to download
[00:11] <jrib> ickers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[00:11] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: ok
[00:11] <dasuda> how do I connect to by windows VPS in linux?
[00:11] <dasuda> ubuntu
[00:11] <jrib> leo-the-manic_: just make sure it doesn't overwrite the default python
[00:12] <jrib> dasuda: how do you connect to windows VPS in windows?
[00:12] <dasuda> using a remote to desktop client I believe
[00:12] <Kitt3n> captine, Macs are designed to not accept anything but Apple OS
[00:12] <jrib> dasuda: so use a remote desktop client ;)
[00:12] <dasuda> jrib: ok
[00:12] <dasuda> jrib: know of any :)?
[00:12] <captine> yip.  I know.  just love the look of the hardware...
[00:12] <dasuda> I could not find much in the software center
[00:13] <dasuda> thats why I am asking
[00:13] <jrib> dasuda: I can't recommend any offhand but if you search for "remote desktop" you should see a few candidates
[00:13] <whoever_> Kitt3n: nativly yes, but you can run them in a vm
[00:13] <jrib> dasuda: apt-cache search remote desktop
[00:13] <whoever_> jrib: remote-desktop
[00:14] <dasuda> ok thanks
[00:14] <jrib> dasuda: I think vinagre is the default one
[00:15] <dasuda> coool
[00:16] <moksud_xp> I tried the code to update my packages... but Ubuntu tell me System Error 11
[00:17] <jrib> moksud_xp: you should pastebin full input and output
[00:17] <moksud_xp> how I can do it?
[00:17] <jrib> !pastebin | moksud_xp
[00:17] <moksud_xp> I don't have a GUI on Ubuntu
[00:18] <ickers> thx jrib, had found that page. Looking for something a bit more specific. eg. if PHP 5.3 reaches end of life before Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS what happens to security updates?
[00:18] <ickers> Will security fixes for PHP 5.4 be backported to PHP 5.3 by the ubuntu team?
[00:18] <moksud_xp> Anyway the error was that ubuntu cannot resolve the web address...
[00:19] <jrib> ickers: in general security fixes will be cherry-picked.  I'm not sure where you can go to get confirmation on that though
[00:19] <jrib> ickers: you might see if there's a relative mailing list you can poke (http://lists.ubuntu.com)
[00:20] <jrib> erm, s/relative/relevant
[00:20] <jrib> moksud_xp: are you physically at the ubuntu machine without a gui or are you connected to it over ssh from a machine with a gui?
[00:20] <ickers> jrib: ok, thanks, probably why I can't find anything
[00:20] <jrib> !sru | ickers
[00:21] <jrib> ickers: might be some pointers for you there including where to go to get some more info
[00:21] <moksud_xp> I phisically installed Ubuntu on my HDD
[00:21] <draconus> used: 666G < scary...
[00:21] <moksud_xp> now I'm on my SSD that run Windows
[00:22] <jrib> moksud_xp: so you are connecting to ubuntu through ssh from your windows machine?
[00:22] <moksud_xp> nah
[00:22] <jrib> moksud_xp: so you are physically running back and forth between the two computers?  Or are you rebooting a single machine?
[00:22] <moksud_xp> normally I need to restart My PC and choose SSD or HDD to switch from windows to ubuntu or viceversa
[00:23] <moksud_xp> reeboting a single machine
[00:23] <jrib> moksud_xp: it will be hard to troubleshoot with you then since rebooting is annoying.  You should get on irc while on ubuntu
[00:23] <ickers> ubottu, jrib: that looks like what I am looking for! Great :-)
[00:23] <moksud_xp> It's why I decided to install GUI and Chrome on Ubuntu...
[00:25] <moksud_xp> how can I solve the problem of updating package?
[00:25] <jrib> moksud_xp: write down your full error and then type it up then
[00:26] <moksud_xp> okey, I'll do it tomorrow
[00:26] <moksud_xp> now I need to go
[00:26] <moksud_xp> thanks a lot jrib
[00:40] <karven> Who is good at C++??
[00:40] <darkgroove> I know a bit
[00:41] <karven> I met a big trouble.
[00:41] <darkgroove> what's wrong?
[00:42] <darkgroove> karven: what did you do?
[00:42] <karven> About Class
[00:42] <karven> C++ programmer
[00:44] <karven> No one know about the class of C++?
[00:45] <hailwood> Hi Guys, My ubuntu install just went up the creek, so I am looking to do a complete re-do of my hard drive, it's a 500Gb, I am wanting to triple boot, Windows 8, Ubuntu 13.04, and a play partition (Fedora at this stage, but may change, will always be a linux distro though). Due to the 4 primary only, issue I am looking to use LVM but have no idea how, so I am hoping someone can give me some pointers, or a real easy guide?
[00:46] <gartral> hey all, I'm in a jam and I hosed Grub, I've done grub-install after chroot'ing my drive, but what on earth happened to setup-grub/grub-setup?
[00:47] <Kitt3n> gartral, what?
[00:47] <holstein> gartral: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:47] <gartral> hailwood: LVM is supported "out of the box" by nearly every distro.. if you keep the two root partitions in an LVM it should "just work"
[00:48] <gartral> holstein: I need a command-line only method, right now I'm stuck using a serial console.
[00:48] <gartral> holstein: (don't ask.. flakey graphics card)
[00:48] <holstein> gartral: you do that from a live cd
[00:48] <Kitt3n> ^
[00:48] <mint__> yop
[00:48] <holstein> gartral: you can use nomodeset from that live CD with a flaky whatever
[00:48] <gartral> holstein: I know, but i can't boot a window manager
[00:49] <mint__> \set nick PLEXXirssi
[00:49] <pfifo> ehlo
[00:49] <gartral> holstein: let me rephrase that, my graphics card is BURNT. Blackened. Will Not Work.
[00:49] <mint__> wow what and epic fail
[00:50] <gartral> mint__: we've all done it
[00:50] <holstein> gartral: so, you want to ssh into the machine? from another? i would take the hard drive to another machine and service it
[00:50] <gartral> holstein: I can't. I don't have another machine that can use IDE.
[00:51] <hailwood> gartral, so If I install Windows 8, that should use two primary partitions due to it's system reservered for boot; then install Ubuntu, there should be an option to use a single LVM partition which should create two LV's one for the system and one for swap on that single partition? then same for fedora?
[00:51] <gartral> seriously though, I need to setup grub from the command line
[00:52] <holstein> !grub | gartral
[00:52] <hailwood> gartral, So the whole install should only use three primary partitions, is my thinking there correct?
[00:52] <Kitt3n> hailwood, are you on an EFI computer?
[00:52] <c|oneman>  Is it normal that sirq % is not taken into account whan calculating CPU load, in TOP?
[00:52] <samy_> alguien q sepa de controladoras raid? tengo un adaptec 1220SA
[00:52] <hailwood> Kitt3n, I believe it's EFI capable, but I don't think it uses it...
[00:52] <samy_> algua ayuda para porder ver los dispositivos conectados?
[00:53] <reisio> samy_: #Ubuntu-es
[00:53] <Kitt3n> hailwood, check it out, if it's EFI *based* switch it to EFI, and install Windows 8 in EFI and Ubuntu in EFI mode.
[00:53] <Kitt3n> hailwood, and keep the playground to a VIRTUAL machine so you don't damage your computer.
[00:53] <pfifo> Unless its a samsung laptop, then dont use efi
[00:53] <gartral> hailwood: you could do that, or do what I've done, where I have 3 Linux root partitions in a single LVM, my /home and swap are physical partitions, and my recovery OS is in it's own partition
[00:54] <Kitt3n> hailwood, EFI also doesn't limit you to 4 primary partitions because of GPT.
[00:54] <reisio> how many OSes do you need...
[00:54] <Kitt3n> pfifo, eeeeh, why so? Did Samsung go ahead and do more shit?
[00:54] <Kitt3n> reisio, I say one OS is enough.
[00:54] <reisio> and I
[00:54] <reisio> particularly installed to metal
[00:55] <gartral> reisio: FreeBSD, Ubuntu, a "play around" partition, and my recovery is an install of UBCD
[00:55] <reisio> sorry that was rhetorical, nobody needs more than one :p
[00:56] <gartral> holstein: I've done that, and I get dropped to a grub recovery CLI
[00:56] <holstein> gartral: thats where you want to be.. that is CLI for recovery.. you can also try the first information i linked, and do it from a live CD in the terminal
[00:56] <gartral> reisio: unless you game seriously, and code, in which case you need 2, Windows 7, and a Linux Distro
[00:57] <reisio> nah :p
[00:57] <holstein> !steam
[00:57] <gartral> holstein: barely 2% of the serious games on steam have been ported
[00:57] <Kitt3n> Who needs M$ and their garbage.
[00:57] <gartral> Kitt3n: really, no one
[00:57] <holstein> gartral: check out the steam channel or the offtopic channel to discuss games
[00:58] <Kitt3n> gartral, that's why you give your best to force the big companies to port their games to Linux.
[00:58] <hailwood> Hmm, I am rather confused now... I guess I need to go research efi now...
[00:58] <reisio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[00:58] <gartral> hailwood: EFI is great, most systems from 2011+ have it
[00:58] <saiarcot895> gartral: Kitt3n: unfortunately, some niche software is available only for Windows, and some PDF (in all the creators' brilliance) can only be read by Adobe Reader X
[00:59] <gartral> holstein: ok
[00:59] <reisio> yeah, EFI makes it so that BIOS configuration menu... has graphics
[00:59] <reisio> boom amazing
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> hailwood, Here is a ubuntu forum help on uefi installs. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[00:59] <Kitt3n> reisio, oh it does way more than that :3
[00:59] <gartral> saiarcot895: got an example?
[00:59] <reisio> Kitt3n: heheh
[01:00] <gartral> holstein: so I'm at the point where I have a grub recovery CLI, NOW what
[01:00] <saiarcot895> gartral: See the PDFs on this page: https://www.utdallas.edu/career/statistics/#results
[01:01] <saiarcot895> gartral: As for the software, well, there's Wine and Mono
[01:01] <Kitt3n> saiarcot895, give me 3 examples of software that is only available in Windows without any Linux alternatives.
[01:02] <saiarcot895> Kitt3n: Google Sketchup (for modelling in Google Earth), Zacks Research Wizard, and I don't have a third one (Lexmark Imaging Studio? although that's not needed)
[01:02] <reisio> I'd settle for one
[01:02] <pfifo> D: Launchpad is broken even worse than before
[01:02]  * wilee-nilee wishes new helpers realized this is support not chat.
[01:03] <Kitt3n> wilee-nilee, I am not switching to another channel for silly chat <3.
[01:03] <randomnick_> hello
[01:03] <Kitt3n> Hi randomnick_! :)
[01:03] <randomnick_> sudo apt-get install gimp
[01:03] <randomnick_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:03] <randomnick_> Building dependency tree
[01:03] <randomnick_> Reading state information... Done
[01:03] <randomnick_> Package gimp is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:03] <FloodBot1> randomnick_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:03] <randomnick_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:03] <wilee-nilee> !paste > randomnick_
[01:03] <holstein> gartral: this looks pretty current http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html
[01:04] <reisio> holstein: for GRUB legacy?
[01:04] <holstein> reisio: link something else if you have it
[01:04] <reisio> I'm asking
[01:05] <reisio> does he need something for 2?
[01:05] <randomnick_> uhh, im sorry
[01:05] <reisio> or for legacy?
[01:05] <holstein> reisio: its for gartral .. he *cant* use a GUI
[01:05] <randomnick_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845325/    please help me install gimp:(
[01:05] <reisio> k... but which grub does he need help with
[01:05] <reisio> gartral: do you ^
[01:05] <Kitt3n> reisio, most likely grub-pc
[01:06] <holstein> should look like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#The_terminal_way ..which i already linked
[01:06] <reisio> gartral: you're at a grub prompt? does it say the version?
[01:06] <pfifo> randomnick_, can you pastebin the output of 'lsb_release -sd && cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:07] <randomnick_> pfifo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845328/
[01:07] <booh> I have 2 Ubuntu Server link with site-site vpn.  I want to backup site1 server to site2 server.  Wich backup solution should I install?   I have samba sharing.  I don't know if I would want mirror site or archiving...  What is your suggestion?
[01:08] <pfifo> randomnick_, you need to add the universe repo to your sources.list
[01:08] <draconus> booh i'm not into vpn at all, what does it mean site-site vpn? two machines acting like virtually one and sharing filesystems etc?
[01:09] <randomnick_> could you please tell me how can i do that?
[01:09] <holstein> !universe
[01:11] <pfifo> randomnick_, heres a good sources.list that adds everything and akitchen sink, replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with this and then run 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:11] <pfifo> randomnick_, http://fpaste.org/23141/72986642/
[01:15] <randomnick_> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:15] <booh> draconus, site-site vpn is a tunnel establish between two network so server2 is seen as on the LAN... but with a slower connexion...
[01:15] <pfifo> randomnick_, try installing gimp now
[01:15] <booh> draconus you can consider both servers are on the same LAN.  But in fact, one is on another physical site...
[01:16] <tannji> what would be the terminal command to install "lib32stdc++"?
[01:16] <booh> draconus I told about vpn just to notice the link between both servers are not as fast as the LAN... about 1mbps instead of 1000mbps...
[01:16] <reisio> tannji: ask apt-file
[01:17] <draconus> booh thank you very much, it all sounds great
[01:17] <randomnick_> pfifo: thank you:))
[01:17] <draconus> besides the link speed of course :) but assuming that those are 2 dedicated servers on 100mbit+ lines... that would be so cool
[01:17] <tannji> reisio,  thanks, but can you elaborate a little?  dumb it down slightly.. and be a little condescending if you have to  = )
[01:18] <pfifo> randomnick_, you might neeed to change the entries that have 'security' in them from archive.ubuntu.com to security.ubuntu.com to get rid of the error your saw
[01:18] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, apt-cache search lib32stdc < see what this gives
[01:19] <reisio> tannji: sudo apt-get install apt-file, then run it
[01:19] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, then install the one without "debugging"
[01:19] <tannji> reisio,  right, thanks  = )
[01:19] <booh> draconus yes.  It's easy to do with pfsense gateway/router...
[01:20] <booh> Anyway, now my focus is how I should backup one server to the other one...
[01:21] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  apt-cache search returned nothing
[01:22] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, uname -r < says what?
[01:23] <draconus> booh oh so that's hardware
[01:23] <tannji> brontosaurusrex,  3.2.0-35-generic
[01:23] <Corey> draconus: You can run pfsense virtualized.
[01:24] <draconus> booh i might be able to help with suggestion of creating a backup using dd
[01:24] <draconus> Corey that sounds great
[01:24] <alexandros_c> hello, is there a way to run ncurse application as if they were regular applications? I notice that ubuntu run htop as if it is a gui application. Is there a way to get weechat-curses to run like that?
[01:25] <brontosaurusrex> tannji, dunno then
[01:25] <reisio> alexandros_c: hrmm?
[01:25] <draconus> booh that's what i did today - i had to move 1TB of data from one drive to another but it could as well be another machine... i was adviced to use dd to create images of whole partitions - in your case you could then just recreate exactly same partitions on that other machine
[01:26] <pfifo> draconus, sounds like bad advice, I would have recommended rsync to save a boat load of time
[01:26] <pfifo> s/boat/freightliner/
[01:27] <draconus> pfifo depends if that's one time or backup on a regular basis... if regular than of course rsync
[01:27] <reisio> draconus: who're you talking to?
[01:27] <alexandros_c> reisio: in ubuntu htop can be accessed through the hud but weechat can not, I am asking if there is a to run weechat through the hud like htop since they are both ncurses applications
[01:27] <reisio> pfifo: he had special circumstances, we went through rsync
[01:27] <draconus> reisio still here? nice :) talking to booh
[01:27] <reisio> alexandros_c: ah
[01:27] <reisio> alexandros_c: you'll need a .desktop file that opens a terminal with the command 'weechat', basically
[01:28] <reisio> booh: yeah would probably go with rsync for you
[01:28] <alexandros_c> reisio: ok where do you put that .desktop file?
[01:34] <reisio> pfifo: heh
[01:34] <reisio> no
[01:34] <u3> put ite on youtube you know some Norway trip i did fore 2 days a go
[01:35] <pfifo> reisio, I was about to say... squashfs-tools
[01:35] <reisio> pfifo: for what?
[01:35] <pfifo> reisio, as a superior alternative to dd+tar (but since that didnt happen no real loss)
[01:36] <reisio> oh
[01:36] <reisio> yeah his partitions were almost entirely full
[01:36] <reisio> so the ordinary dd was not a waste as it ordinarily would've been
[01:37] <reisio> and he actually wanted to avoid compression 'cause he had plenty of storage space and didn't want to wait when accessing it at all
[01:38] <u3> well i will try again and se what happens, but this time i will not fail
[01:38] <reisio> u3: good plan
[01:38] <pfifo> u3, keep an eye on your memory, and have a swapfile ready to swapon
[01:38] <draconus> yes!
[01:39] <draconus> !split
[01:39] <sh3llc0d3r> piple how can i turn off notifications am using xchat on ubutu
[01:40] <Pici> !quietxchat
[01:40] <draconus> ubottu doesn't know about !split
[01:40] <reisio> it's probably 'netsplit'
[01:40] <draconus> ubottu: botsnack
[01:40] <draconus> !netsplit
[01:40] <sh3llc0d3r> ubottu, thanks that worked for me
[01:40] <draconus> thank you reisio :)
[01:41] <reisio> :p
[01:41] <pfifo> sh3llc0d3r, you can remove notify-osd or what ever notifier daemon your using
[01:41] <sh3llc0d3r> pfifo, good to know, thanks
[01:42] <u3> pfifo,thanks for that i forget that the memory can be full some times
[01:43] <pfifo> Pici, for some reason I have to click hide joins/parts everytime i log into freenode (I only want it for a few rooms though, not all of them)
[01:43] <pfifo> u3, and disk drive too, make sure your not using /tmp as a ramdisk as well
[01:43] <Pici> pfifo: /shrug, I'm not a xchat user myself, I just call the factoids up ;)
[01:44] <pfifo> Pici, so your saying I should just switch to irssi?
[01:44] <draconus> reisio my work with moving data isn't done anyway... i'm 200GB short on that other drive :/
[01:44] <reisio> draconus: that's a lot of data
[01:44] <draconus> reisio i would consider downsizing the source partition but i'm afraid of issues...
[01:45] <booh> yes backup is on regular basis..
[01:45] <Pici> pfifo: or ask in #xchat, yes ;)
[01:45] <reisio> draconus: doing what?
[01:45] <booh> Is there better than rsync today?  rsync is old ;-)
[01:45] <booh> Also, is there some "archiving" solution?
[01:45] <holstein> !better
[01:45] <reisio> booh: well, it depends
[01:46] <pfifo> booh, yes, i keep hearing about 'clonezilla' could be what your looking for
[01:46] <reisio> most of the alternatives that are better for particular situations are also based on rsync :)
[01:46] <draconus> reisio i managed to empty 75% of a big source partition and now i would love to shrink it to make space for a new partition to come with fresh system as all the rest is already copied and safe
[01:46] <booh> I think I will use rsync but I just wonder if today is there a better way... with possibility to archive too...  (If I want a modify file for example and rollback this file 2 weeks ago)
[01:46] <reisio> draconus: you can't just wait for the last 200gb to copy?
[01:46] <reisio> booh: in that case, use rdiff-backup
[01:46] <u3> i think i will have to by a turbo processor
[01:46] <booh> I can't reboot to do backup with clonezila!
[01:46] <draconus> reisio i'm getting short of space there, i forgot about one more umounted partition on destination
[01:52] <alexandros_c> anyone know how to make an application visible in the HUD?
[01:55] <Ububegin> I just did a ls -lrt on a folder.. and all its permissions were to set "???????" . What does it mean . I wanted to execute a chmod u+x folder.. But I get a chmod and Permission denied error
[01:56] <draconus> reisio i have just found another 120GB on destination ;)
[01:57] <Ububegin> Hi, can anyone see me
[01:58] <w30> Ububegin: that's a folder you don't own maybe mounted by someone else. I get that when I am sudo and look at .gvfs mounted by user
[01:58] <w30> Ububegin: if you are the owner it shows right under ls -la
[01:58] <draconus> reisio the last concern i'm having is if the mysql will work fine when i just move all the files from /var/mysql back in there and not populate databases from actual backups which aren't too fresh
[01:59] <rypervenche> draconus: Are you replacing the entire directory or only some of the database directories?
[01:59] <Ububegin> w30, this was a folder created by me sometime back in my home directory.. I just removed the permissions last time.. Cant remember which permission I removed. But now, I cant change to permissions back
[02:00] <draconus> rypervenche i plan to replace just everything
[02:00] <rypervenche> draconus: Then you'll be fine. Just move the old directory out of the way and put the new one in and start MySQL.
[02:00] <draconus> rypervenche will that really work? i'm seriously worried
[02:00] <rypervenche> draconus: It will.
[02:01] <james41382> Are services down? I can't identify with nickserv
[02:01] <rypervenche> james41382: netsplit.
[02:01] <draconus> rypervenche thank you so much, i really hope there won't be any more troubles on that box
[02:01] <w30> james41382: we just had a netsplit..............
[02:01] <rypervenche> draconus: I recommend taking backups from now on.
[02:01] <draconus> w30 another one to be exact :)
[02:01] <james41382> w30: What does that mean?
[02:01] <w30> draconus: heh heh
[02:01] <draconus> rypervenche i do but all of them were on a partition that failed
[02:02] <rypervenche> !netsplit > james41382
[02:02] <rypervenche> draconus: Multiple backups in multiple locations.
[02:02] <draconus> rypervenche and i lost several hours of data since backups are sheduled every 6 hours - that's why i want to put files in there
[02:02] <draconus> rypervenche i promise i will from now on
[02:02] <james41382> rypervenche: So it will eventually simply resolve and I'll be able to identify?
[02:02] <rypervenche> draconus: I personally keep daily backups of my databases for 30 days on two different servers, one in a different country.
[02:03] <rypervenche> james41382: Yep, give it a bit.
[02:03] <draconus> lesson well learned... been like 18 hrs of rescuing so far
[02:03] <w30> james41382: it means you broke the net by being one of too many users so rather than fail irc splits into two units
[02:03] <james41382> rypervenche: Great, thanks.
[02:03] <draconus> james41382 you just type too much and then it breaks
[02:04] <james41382> draconus: That's hard to believe as I don't type very fast.. lol.
[02:04] <draconus> james41382 perhaps you insulted the Nickserv? :)
[02:04] <james41382> draconus: Oh I believe that one... that lousy sob deserved every word.
[02:04] <draconus> he he
[02:05] <draconus> james41382 ha ha
[02:05] <draconus> see? lousy sob worked again...
[02:06] <tannji> whats going on?  is this normal, or is someone playing games?
[02:06] <james41382> draconus: Right.. I need to lay off the pour guy already.
[02:06] <james41382> poor*
[02:06] <RoDiMuS-X> Wow I haven't seen the likes of IRC attacks in ages
[02:06] <draconus> 3 netsplits in 10 mins. is quite abnormal here
[02:06] <RoDiMuS-X> Server split, Flood Bots oped
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> There is #ubuntu-offtopic for the coffee chat. ;)
[02:06] <saiarcot895> What did I miss?
[02:08] <pfifo> its not an attack, the new guy at the datacenter is trying to figure out what switch #131 does
[02:08] <draconus> ha ha pfifo
[02:09] <draconus> 3 black outs weren't enough :) i bet he is fired till now ;)
[02:09] <u3> thanks for the good info
[02:10] <reisio> draconus: it'll either 'just work' or it will take a little bit of effort but still work
[02:10] <draconus> don't ever touch that #131 switch again!
[02:10] <reisio> draconus: assuming the data is intact, I don't recall what you did
[02:11] <draconus> reisio working on that box since last morning...
[02:11] <draconus> reisio it's a weird story and many lessons learned
[02:12] <draconus> my new rule #1: never backup to the production drive unless you are a moron
[02:12] <draconus> new rule #2: never do crazy stuff on production box
[02:13] <reisio> draconus: well, definitely with the backups :p
[02:13] <draconus> reisio and how about crazy stuff?
[02:13] <w30> draconus: tha't what you get by living in the fast lane
[02:13] <draconus> w30 exactly
[02:13] <reisio> draconus: matters less if you've a backup
[02:13] <draconus> reisio it is not possible to backup 1TB every day
[02:14] <draconus> reisio in fact i never backed up like 80% of that...
[02:14] <pfifo> draconus, 'incremental backup'
[02:14] <reisio> draconus: you generate 1tb of new data every day?
[02:14] <draconus> pfifo i will have to learn about that in practice
[02:14] <reisio> well you don't need to backup the OS files
[02:14] <reisio> because those are mirrored all over the world
[02:14] <reisio> draconus: look into rdiff-backup
[02:14] <draconus> reisio not really, it was a huge archive in there also
[02:15] <draconus> reisio so that really works? like each mysql backup is 5GB then it would rdiff to like several hundreds of megs?
[02:15] <reisio> draconus: well, ideally for sql backups
[02:15] <reisio> draconus: you'd dump first
[02:15] <gwenbell> I'm on Ubuntu 13.04, on a circa 2010 MBA. All is good except when I use Vim, the text on the screen garbles and the machine locks up. Thoughts?
[02:16] <reisio> draconus: at that point you could do an incremental backup if you wanted
[02:16] <draconus> reisio so regular dump and then rdiff with previous dump?
[02:16] <reisio> technically just backing up the files is just as good
[02:16] <reisio> so maybe combine rdiff-backup of the filesystem with a single dump of the db
[02:16]  * reisio shrugs
[02:16] <holstein> gwenbell: how do you use vim?
[02:16] <fafafew> what's the quickest way to solve the windows ubuntu dual boot problem ? windows destroy grub solutins
[02:16] <draconus> reisio indeed but then if i could store only those rdiffs then it's easier to e.g. upload them to remote box
[02:17] <reisio> sql db's don't necessarily take up that much space
[02:17] <fafafew> for encrypted ubuntu
[02:17] <reisio> draconus: well, I'm sure you'll find the right combination
[02:17] <gwenbell> holstein: from terminal
[02:17] <holstein> fafafew: its not a problem.. install and recover grub with ubuntu boot repair
[02:17] <holstein> gwenbell: have you tried other terminal emulators? or tty?
[02:17] <reisio> draconus: rdiff-backup and rsync are your best tools, the former for incremental
[02:17] <draconus> reisio, pfifo: many thanks for pointing me to rdiff
[02:17] <fafafew> boot repair ask to decrypt now that's the problem
[02:18] <gwenbell> holstein: not yet, will give it a go now
[02:18] <reisio> draconus: oh, and rdiff-backup-fs for restoring from the backup later on
[02:18] <reisio> draconus: very handy
[02:18] <reisio> draconus: it translates all the diffs into virtual timestamped directories
[02:18] <draconus> reisio even now i keep like 500 gigs of backups and they don't differ much... so could i rdiff those files?
[02:19] <draconus> rfidd-backup-fs sounds like orgasm to me :))
[02:19] <reisio> yeah, rdiff-backup will save you loads of space
[02:19] <reisio> yeah it's pretty hot
[02:19] <fafafew> who got solution to my problem????
[02:19] <reisio> fafafew: I
[02:19] <draconus> reisio that is just great, i will test soon
[02:20] <fafafew> reisio and your solution is ........................
[02:20] <reisio> fafafew: I don't know your problem yet
[02:21] <draconus> pfifo, reisio: i also used to have some services that required dumping a gig every hour... wish i knew about rdiff before
[02:21] <reisio> live and learn :)
[02:21] <draconus> so here i am :)
[02:21] <pfifo> draconus, you should have just asked ;)
[02:21] <draconus> this channel is where i learned best things about systems in my life
[02:22] <draconus> irc is truly live knowledge learned every minute
[02:22] <fafafew> reisio , ................classic win , ubuntu , grub destry problem but with a twist .... ubuntu is in encrpted partition
[02:22] <draconus> pfifo yah... but than you need to imagine something first to even ask about it :)
[02:22] <draconus> then*
[02:23] <reisio> fafafew: okay, and?
[02:23] <pfifo> fafafew, its asking you to decrypt your partition? Whats the problem there? dont know how to decrypt it? we can help
[02:23] <reisio> it can take a while to realize that the open source world already has an impeccable solution to virtually every problem
[02:23] <reisio> instead of just assuming it doesn't exist
[02:24] <draconus> well yes but in case of incremental backups... when you do regular ones for like 20 years... you are blocked
[02:24] <reisio> exactly
[02:24] <reisio> just takes a little rewiring
[02:24] <draconus> you don't even consider a though of something different
[02:24] <reisio> of your brain :)
[02:24] <fafafew> pfifo how?
[02:24] <draconus> reisio and that's what irc is great for
[02:24] <reisio> maybe you have been fortunate enough to have always had plenty of storage space to compensate :)
[02:25] <draconus> reisio one is always up to date here with people doing all the magic
[02:25] <pfifo> fafafew, well first, i need some information, is this the whole partition or just your home directory?
[02:25] <draconus> reisio indeed... when you got loads of space you don't even think of shrinking
[02:25] <fafafew> what if i dont want to decrypt the partition , how to solve it ?
[02:25] <reisio> fafafew: what is the problem?
[02:25] <reisio> I still haven't seen you say, I don't think
[02:26] <pfifo> reisio, fafafew needs to decrypt his partition to repair grub
[02:26] <draconus> reisio he said before: "classic win , ubuntu , grub destry problem but with a twist .... ubuntu is in encrpted partition"
[02:26] <pfifo> i think
[02:26] <holstein> unless its just the /home partition
[02:26] <fafafew> pfifio , i guess home directory i remember that's the only one get encrypted and boot-repair is asking to decrpt so i guess that's the one
[02:26] <draconus> and he doesn't want to decrypt
[02:26] <master_> Can i install nvidia-325 in precise and still retain optimus compatibility somehow?
[02:27] <reisio> yeah I read what he said
[02:27] <pfifo> fafafew, can you pastebin the output of 'sudo blkid && sudo fdisk -l'
[02:27] <reisio> he hasn't said what the actual problem is yet
[02:27] <draconus> just making it nicer for you :)
[02:28] <fafafew> pfifo , i'm not on ubuntu right now
[02:28] <w30> fafafew: boot your ubuntu live cd then update-grub and install grub from it
[02:28] <Freb> is nvidia for gaming and novuea for?
[02:28] <fafafew> w30 , how to do that
[02:28] <pfifo> fafafew, ok, can you boot a livecd?
[02:29] <w30> fafafew: this link is for fixing boot menu after mageia messes it up but it works for all
[02:29] <holstein> fafafew: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[02:30] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows fafafew
[02:30] <w30> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4172&hilit=dual+boot+ubuntu
[02:31] <draconus> piping mysqldump tru rdiff-backup... that's really HOT
[02:32] <rypervenche> draconus: I don't really see the point with mysql dumps though, because they'll always be the same. I just use cronjobs for that.
[02:32] <pfifo> draconus, mysqld has its own backup solutions, i think your going a bit too far with it
[02:32] <rypervenche> draconus: Dump it, zip it, delete old ones.
[02:32] <draconus> hm
[02:32] <reisio> well they won't always be the same, and if they are rdiff-backup would know :p
[02:33] <rypervenche> Sorry, that's what I meant.
[02:33] <reisio> rypervenche: what, what pfifo said?
[02:33] <Programmer_> was there a netsplit
[02:34] <reisio> Programmer_: yup, a few
[02:34] <Programmer_> are services still down?
[02:34] <rypervenche> reisio: What you said.
[02:34] <Pici> yes
[02:34] <reisio> Programmer_: seems so
[02:34] <Programmer_> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKKK
[02:34] <Kitt3n> Programmer_, at least two netsplits
[02:34] <reisio> rypervenche: ohz
[02:34] <reisio> Programmer_: :D
[02:34] <reisio> #freenode
[02:34] <Programmer_> imma die
[02:34] <Programmer_> was getting metasploit help
[02:34] <holstein> Programmer_: language, please
[02:34] <draconus> actually there were 3 netsplits in short time
[02:35] <draconus> rypervenche for now i dump and pipe tru pigz... but i can't just delete the previous one for many reasons, i need to stack them for few months at least
[02:36] <w30> NSA is downloading the internet again
[02:36] <draconus> indeed
[02:36] <pfifo> good night all
[02:36] <draconus> taking an incremental backup right now ;)
[02:37] <draconus> g'nite!
[02:37] <Programmer_> w30, lmfao
[02:37] <rypervenche> draconus: So do that. Then create a cron to delete those that are older than a certain time.
[02:38] <draconus> rypervenche problem being that each dump is 5 gigs... and i take like 4 per day
[02:38] <Anon503> this isn't really a question but I just need somebody to claim I'm being paranoid... I know this is odd
[02:38] <Anon503> but basically this has been in the back of my head and it bugs me
[02:38] <guest3035> lll
[02:39] <draconus> rypervenche so incrementing those would save a ton of space and yet allow me to easily rsync to another box
[02:39] <Programmer_> w30, very clever
[02:39] <Anon503> so 3 years ago on an old windows laptop one of my virtual machines got exploited and got malware on the host, that's how I got into linux
[02:39] <rypervenche> draconus: You can't increment a mysql dump.
[02:39] <Anon503> now I have my own built desktop
[02:39] <rypervenche> draconus: It won't do anything differently. Now, are you using any InnoDB tables?
[02:39] <Anon503> my old laptop has been formatted multiple times
[02:39] <reisio> rypervenche: why not?
[02:39] <draconus> rypervenche why wouldn't it work?
[02:40] <Anon503> but I plugged in my usb on a fresh linux install, burned xubuntu and installed it on my desktop
[02:40] <rypervenche> reisio: If he's using rdiff-backup it won't do it that way. The file will have changed and it will backup all different versions.
[02:40] <Anon503> I'm a paranoid person and think bios rootkits are spreading.. just tell me I'm wrong
[02:40] <draconus> and yes, i got mostly myisam but some inno as well
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> Anon503, Can you get to the point in one line.
[02:40] <Anon503> sorry sorry... I'm stressing over nothing
[02:40] <draconus> Anon503: bios rootkits are spreading
[02:40] <reisio> rypervenche: I don't think so...
[02:40] <reisio> rypervenche: you might be thinking of rsnapshot
[02:41] <Anon503> it's just irrational I know that, but I needed somebody to tell me that
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> Anon503, root kits in the bios is way off topic here.
[02:41] <EbonHeart> just replace your mobo.. paranoia solved
[02:41] <reisio> moboviruses ftl
[02:41] <Anon503> ok sorry.. not the best place
[02:41] <rypervenche> reisio: I"m talking about rdiff-backuping the mysql dumps.
[02:42] <draconus> rypervenche, reisio: http://serverfault.com/questions/130903/how-to-backup-database-dumps-which-only-minor-changes-between-the-backups
[02:43] <RoDiMuS-X> Is using an Anti-virus necessary with Ubuntu?
[02:43] <somsip> !virus | RoDiMuS-X
[02:43] <rypervenche> Ahh, interesting. I didn't realize it worked on the file level like that. Good to know
[02:44] <reisio> rypervenche: yeah rsnapshot is the one that just backs up the entire altered file
[02:44] <rypervenche> Learned something new today then.
[02:44] <reisio> I get them confused all the time myself :/
[02:44] <reisio> arrrrrr
[02:44] <reisio> buncha pirate programmers
[02:44] <draconus> rypervenche so did i :)
[02:44] <draconus> cheers reisio!
[02:44] <draconus> and pfifo which is sleeping already
[02:44] <rypervenche> draconus: Then I need to fix my own backup schema. I've got it creating 30 files, when I only need it to overwrite the file :P
[02:44] <draconus> who*
[02:44] <reisio> see it used to be that actually restoring from rdiff-backup data was such a pain, because you have to know the exact time and syntax
[02:45] <reisio> but that's all done away with since rdiff-backup-fs
[02:45] <draconus> reisio there are even more approaches... did you check that serverfault link?
[02:45] <draconus> duplicty etc.
[02:45] <reisio> duplicity is also rsync based, IIRC
[02:45] <reisio> and I prefer commands
[02:45] <reisio> ...so I know wtf is going on
[02:46] <reisio> duplicity is gui oriented, IIRC
[02:46] <draconus> oh crap
[02:46]  * draconus hates GUI
[02:47] <rypervenche> reisio: Does rdiff-backup-fs touch the files or does it access them read-only?
[02:47] <draconus> so i'm staying with rdiff as soon as i learn and test the rdiff fs as that's crucial
[02:47] <Magu1978> exit
[02:47] <Magu1978> quit
[02:48] <reisio> rypervenche: just a read only virtual timestamped directory hierarchy AIUI
[02:48] <draconus> Magu1978 you can't escape the matrix
[02:48] <reisio> buncha dirs with YYYY-MM-DD-HHMMSS or something like that
[02:48] <reisio> pick the one you want and cp as preferred
[02:48] <rypervenche> reisio: Awesome. Thank you. I'll try it out.
[02:48] <reisio> it's pretty fancy to watch it in action :p
[02:48] <draconus> reisio can you tell it to work e.g. 100 files at once?
[02:49] <reisio> draconus: it takes every single revision in your rdiff-backup directory
[02:49] <reisio> draconus: and presents it as virtual, timestamped directories
[02:49] <draconus> it will take a while for me
[02:49] <reisio> well ideally you won't be restoring from backups a lot anyways :p
[02:50] <reisio> but in the event you need to, from rdiff-backup data, this makes it simple
[02:50] <draconus> Anon503 yes, there are many bios rks...
[02:50] <Anon503> sorry I want to apoligize.  I was having a panic attack for some reason and thought here was the best place to put it
[02:50] <draconus> reisio in fact i did just once
[02:50] <Anon503> you've had one?
[02:50] <draconus> j/k :)
[02:51] <draconus> reisio i will heavily work on mastering this thing
[02:51] <Evy> Hey i need some help with ubuntu it ramdonly pops up with "sytem programe problem detected"
[02:52] <reisio> draconus: heh
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Evy: What version, flavor, etc.?
[02:52] <Evy> ubuntu 12.04
[02:53] <Evy> just installed it i have a ati Radeon hd 4250
[02:53] <Anon503> basically I have panic attacks sometimes for no reason.  Like this time I had one from burning an iso to a usb from my old computer that had a virus 3 years ago
[02:53] <Kitt3n> Evy, do you have the crash log?
[02:53] <Anon503> and installing my os from the usb.. I assume to worst
[02:53] <bazhang> !ot | Anon503
[02:54] <Anon503> ok.. sorry
[02:54] <Evy> where can i get that?
[02:54] <Kitt3n> There should be a button on the apport window, well, there is in 12.10 and 13.04
[02:54] <Kitt3n> No idea about 12.04
[02:56] <Evy> what os version should i be using? i don't know due the video driver being so old "Automated installer and Display Drivers for Xorg 6.9 to Xserver 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4"
[02:56] <Kitt3n> Evy, personally, I would just reinstall with ubuntu 13.04 and use the official AMD graphics drivers
[02:57] <Evy> ... it say somthing about xorg 6.9 and kernel 3.4
[02:58] <Kitt3n> Hmm, yah.
[02:58] <Evy> error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845504/
[02:59] <Evy> its a compaq cq62-402au with 8gb of ram
[03:05] <draconus> what would be my steps to make sure that grub can boot the system on reboot?
[03:07] <b80905> i'm looking for a very simple desktop environment that will  only be able to launch terminal and\or firefox when i press a  certain hotkey.
[03:09] <reisio> b80905: and no other applications at all?
[03:09] <shodan45> I have openvpn client working in 12.04, but I can't figure out how to get it to start at boot... am I missing something?
[03:09] <b80905> reisio: and some other applications
[03:10] <reisio> b80905: mmm, why? :)
[03:10] <partounian> Hey guys installl xampp:i386, because of the unmet depencies: python-gtk2 and python-glade2, then next line it E: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. I am running 12.04.2 64bit.
[03:11] <reisio> partounian: xampp is more useful for Windows users
[03:11] <reisio> partounian: just install apache and php and whatever you want
[03:11] <bazhang> !xampp | partounian
[03:11] <partounian> reisio: Apache keeps giving me a virtualhost configuration error and I couldn't fix it, it's a pain the arse tbh.
[03:12] <reisio> partounian: well #httpd can help with that
[03:12] <bazhang> partounian, use lamp , it's what  is supported here
[03:12] <reisio> partounian: or you could look into nginx, which is... better :)
[03:12] <partounian> Alright.
[03:12] <b80905> reisio: to get the most out of my machine
[03:12] <reisio> b80905: so you just want something light
[03:12] <reisio> b80905: xbindkeys, for example, combined with any window manager could give you that
[03:12] <shodan45> b80905: icewm may suit you
[03:13] <hermann> hello
[03:13] <Evy> Hey can some one please help me with my issue?
[03:13] <studious> I just recompiled my Linux Kernel on my Acer C7 Chromebook running Chrubuntu 13.04 i386 to 3.8.0
[03:13] <hermann> ehyy
[03:13] <studious> woo hooooooooooooo!
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> Evy, Only if you share it. ;)
[03:14] <partounian> How I completely uninstall/reinstall lamp?
[03:14] <Evy> i have been http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845504/
[03:14] <Evy> using 12.04 due to ati drivers
[03:15] <partounian> Hopefully just purging it works unlike last time.
[03:15] <reisio> studious: chrubuntu, that's a new one
[03:15] <reisio> partounian: I think tasksel can do it all
[03:16] <reisio> but it's just apache, mysql/mariadb/postgresql, and php/python/perl/ruby/etc.
[03:16] <draconus> chrubuntu? lol
[03:16] <partounian> reisio: They say not to use tasksel for removing.
[03:16] <reisio> probably not
[03:16] <reisio> but you don't likely need to remove anything
[03:17] <studious> Chromebooks, by Google, run ChromeOS
[03:17] <draconus> studious is that Chrome Book as in spybook?
[03:17] <studious> ChrUbuntu is Chromebook running Ubuntu, aka, NSA Skybook
[03:18] <draconus> that's correct
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> studious, Not a channel topic this is support. ;)
[03:18] <draconus> and we don't support NSA in here ;)
[03:18] <reisio> hahah
[03:19] <studious> Chrubuntu is better than lame ubuntu
[03:19]  * wilee-nilee loves the ignore
[03:19] <reisio> studious: heh
[03:19] <draconus> i would believe in chroot on that chrubook as well as chrumount and chrufs :)
[03:20] <draconus> chrupn even
[03:20] <bazhang> !ot | studious
[03:20] <partounian> it works :D
[03:20] <draconus> just a chrukit :)
[03:22] <draconus> reisio after (finally) moving all of the data which was like 800GB safely... i have ONE and ONLY file that didn't move and reports i/o error when copying... it's a mere 7MB log file but very important... do you believe that i would be able to copy it somehow?
[03:23] <malimbar> Are there still DVD's that won't play even with ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[03:23] <reisio> draconus: grab as much of it as you can with ddrescue
[03:23] <reisio> draconus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29#Data_recovery
[03:23] <draconus> reisio so ddrescue can recover a single file too?
[03:23] <reisio> draconus: other than that, if rebooting and other magical things you can do to a failing hard disk don't help, it's gone
[03:24] <draconus> reisio it stops at 50% and i just need the last few lines of it
[03:24] <reisio> draconus: no but it can do a better job of grabbing the sectors the file spans than dd
[03:24] <reisio> dd fails on i/o errors
[03:24] <reisio> ddrescue keeps going
[03:24] <reisio> you end up with gaps, but you might not need those specific gaps
[03:24] <draconus> yup that's it then
[03:24] <malimbar> in VLC I'm getting the error "DVDRead could not open disc "/dev/dvd" and "VLC is unable to open <RL:///dev/dvd"
[03:24] <draconus> i only need last 100 lines and don't care about that middle stuff
[03:24] <malimbar> MRL I mean
[03:24] <reisio> malimbar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats ?
[03:24] <reisio> draconus: that raises your chances :p
[03:26] <Ububegin> I just did a ls -lrt on a folder.. and all its permissions were to set "???????" . What does it mean . I wanted to execute a chmod u+x folder.. But I get a chmod and Permission denied error
[03:26] <malimbar> reisio, I already have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed, so that doesn't work.
[03:26] <reisio> Ububegin: what fs is it?
[03:27] <draconus> reisio there is no ddrescue on my netboot :/
[03:27] <Evy> ... Help me please
[03:27] <reisio> draconus: what about dd_rescue
[03:27] <Ububegin> reisio: How do I find the "fs" ? is there a command for it
[03:27] <Neo31> what is your issue Evy
[03:27] <reisio> Ububegin: 'mount'
[03:27] <Evy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845504/
[03:28] <Evy> Neo31 : using 12.04 due to ati driver
[03:28] <draconus> reisio nope :/
[03:28] <reisio> Evy: can you explain what happened in English?
[03:28] <reisio> draconus: silly env :p
[03:28] <draconus> only dd in there
[03:28] <Evy> "system program problem detected" keeps poping up on new install
[03:28] <reisio> draconus: is it busybox?
[03:29] <draconus> nope
[03:29] <reisio> I bet it is
[03:29] <reisio> but no matter
[03:29] <draconus> it's ovh
[03:29] <Ububegin> reisio: Should I call mount thatFolder
[03:29] <Neo31> is says  to do : sudo apt-get upgrade libx11-data multiarch-support perl-base
[03:29] <reisio> Ububegin: no just compare the output of mount to that of pwd
[03:29] <Neo31> did you try that and test again!?
[03:29] <draconus> brb
[03:30] <Neo31> try a full system update too Evy
[03:30] <Evy> command?
[03:31] <Neo31> Evy, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:31] <Ububegin> reisio: Dont think it has got to with mount.. I have a couple of folders in my home drive.. Only this folder, I changed the permissions prev, now I am not sure wtf happened
[03:32] <Neo31> Evy this command would be faster, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade libx11-data multiarch-support
[03:33] <Neo31> evy try the last command, reboot and test again (that's what the error message says) if the problem is not solved we can proceed with something else
[03:33] <Evy> ok rebooting now
[03:33] <Evy> on diffent computer
[03:35] <BlueNeXuS|2> what's the name of that app that lets you click on a non responding window and kill it anyway
[03:35] <savagecroc> every time i restart my network interface unity crashes
[03:36] <savagecroc> and i have to reboot my entire machine
[03:37] <savagecroc> so i run sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[03:37] <savagecroc> and the whole thing crashes
[03:39] <Evy> how do i fix my ati driver when i install it i cant use dual screens but then its uninstalled it works
[03:41] <chaotix> hello...   is there a way to use mv or cp to move/copy a file into a folder/directory that has not been created yet?
[03:41] <BlueNeXuS|2> Evy , you have to use the Administrative  Catalyst Control Center for that
[03:41] <chaotix> i tried it, but got this output:mv: cannot move ‘Super_Mario_63.swf’ to ‘/home/user/.local/share/Games/test/Super_Mario_63.swf’: No such file or directory
[03:42] <fwilson> chaotix: try "mkdir -p /home/user/.local/share/Games/test/"
[03:42] <chaotix> fwilson, thanks
[03:42] <fwilson> chaotix: then move the file and you should be fine :)
[03:42] <chaotix> i am working on a tutorial and you just made my day
[03:42] <fwilson> no problem :)
[03:42] <Neo31> Evy, people in this post mention that reinstalling fglxr solves the problem
[03:43] <draconus2> reisio trying dd with conv=noerror,sync to recover that file
[03:43] <Neo31> evy try : sudo apt-get install fglxr
[03:43] <chaotix> fwilson, the tutor is still the pupil...  thats what i love about our community
[03:43] <fwilson> :)
[03:43] <Neo31> (Evy, i don't really get the problem, just googling to see if there is already some solutions :p )
[03:43] <draconus2> reisio: 3988480 bytes (4.0 MB) copied, 54.0689 s, 73.8 kB/s - that's FUN - it's working it out byte by byte ;)
[03:44] <reisio> draconus2: :)
[03:44] <draconus2> reisio: it worked! 7243776 bytes (7.2 MB) copied, 57.0176 s, 127 kB/s
[03:44] <reisio> yay
[03:44] <draconus2> i OWE YO big time reisio
[03:44] <draconus2> YOU* :)
[03:44] <reisio> :p
[03:45]  * draconus2 shakes reisio's hand vigorously
[03:45]  * draconus2 trains
[03:45] <reisio> hehehe
[03:45] <draconus2> now i can see what has really happened on that box at 3.24am last night...
[03:46] <draconus2> anyway that's a hard drive error in there
[03:46] <draconus2> like it was stuck writing the file all over or what?
[03:46] <BlueNeXuS|2> Envy I had the same problem 2 days ago.. what i mentioned worked for me..  there is the regular and then the administrative.  you will have to enable root/su temporarly because sudo will not work in this case
[03:49] <occ> is there any brand of laptops that ubuntu is known for good compatibility for? or it is just down to each model
[03:49] <occ> i mean like drivers and such
[03:50] <draconus2> The system is going down for reboot NOW!et (pts/2) (Fri Jul  5 05:49:44 2013)
[03:50] <draconus2> fingers crossed...
[03:50] <xangua> occ: there is system76.com
[03:51] <draconus2> reisio IT DID PING :)
[03:51] <draconus2> woah
[03:51]  * draconus2 dances
[03:51] <occ> ok
[03:51] <reisio> weee
[03:51] <Evy> BlueNeXuS|2 : Canrt see the drivers
[03:51] <reisio> well, you were thorough :p
[03:51] <reisio> anyways
[03:51] <Evy> tryed 12.4 and 13.1 drivers
[03:52] <BlueNeXuS|2> i installed the entire catalyst set, not just the drivers
[03:52] <b80905> how to kill the desktop environment that is running now and run another one?
[03:52] <draconus2> reisio i wasted 12 hours on data rescue while i was just a single reboot away from normal state... but i couldn't be sure so i rather wasted the time :)
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> b80905, logout and pick the other at login
[03:53] <draconus2> reisio at least i can wipe that crap now and bring a new system and ext4 on
[03:53] <b80905> wilee-nilee: i can't see it in the login screen
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> b80905, here is a gear with a dropdown
[03:53] <wilee-nilee> there
[03:54] <Evy> it install but there is a error
[03:54] <reisio> draconus2: but you learned that lesson :p
[03:54] <b80905> wilee-nilee: the environment i've installed isn't there
[03:54] <draconus2> reisio i learned it very well... trust me :)
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> b80905, What did you install, and how did you do it?
[03:55] <b80905> wilee-nilee: i compiled fluxbox from source
[03:55] <draconus2> reisio imagine waking up to 1TB of mangled data and lots of i/o errors while you left the box perfectly running... you come here and all you read is "your drive is dead"
[03:56] <partounian> I set perms to 777 but when trying to install, it says that the dirs are not writeable.
[03:56] <draconus2> reisio and from that state i managed to fully recover and stabilize the box, grab all my data back and yet reboot it successfuly after :)
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> b80905, Fluxbox is in the repos, not sure on a source install to be honest.
[03:56] <Evy> BlueNeXuS|2 : that version os is recomded for the  Radeon hd 4250
[03:56] <kro[au]> draconus2, take a look at 2x1TB drives in software raid 1 :)
[03:56] <draconus2> reisio it couldn't be done with help and patience of people here
[03:56] <kro[au]> draconus2, oh nice one on the data recovery ^_^
[03:56] <draconus2> kro[au] yes :)
[03:57] <b80905> wilee-nilee: i will try to change the environment from the login screen
[03:57] <b80905> wilee-nilee: again
[03:57] <draconus2> kro[au] and i can't use raid as one of those drives is 99% full right now...
[03:57] <Evy> draconus2 : try crashplan for backup
[03:58] <draconus2> Evy that's something uknown to me again :)
[03:58] <draconus2> will do the reading
[03:59] <Evy> draconus2 : http://www.crashplan.com/ (i use it to backup game dev files)
[03:59]  * reisio shakes head
[03:59] <draconus2> Evy thank you very much - i'm all about backups and lots of them so i will definetly try that site but still, first i need to learn about incremental backups as reisio suggested
[04:00] <reisio> you won't get anything better than rsync/rdiff-backup :p
[04:00] <reisio> if you need online backup, just combine rsync/rdiff-backup with a mounted online share
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> old scoooool
[04:01] <reisio> tons of free hosts these days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services
[04:01] <reisio> and then there's gmailfs :p
[04:03] <coolot> hello guys! ubuntu 12.04 user. question - Factors to remember placing the old 2.2.x kernel below cylinder 1024?
[04:04] <wilee-nilee> coolot, what?
[04:05] <Evy> BlueNeXuS|2 : log from installer http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845596/ (going afk pm me if want )
[04:09] <draconus2> brb
[04:10] <shadowBlaze18> Hi, sorry, I forgot something. I don't have to release source code for any software that Ubuntu comes preinstalled with right in any version?
[04:12] <reisio> shadowBlaze18: using is not distribution
[04:12] <shadowBlaze18> no, for redistribution
[04:12] <reisio> for free?
[04:12] <coolot> to wilee-nilee : just asking if you know some pointers / guidelines to make sure that the old 2.2.x kernel is below 1024 cylinder. i am having an exam on running linux.
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> well, the computer being sold is preinstalled with Linux and I'm giving them the CD too.
[04:13] <reisio> shadowBlaze18: you're fine
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> okay
[04:13] <reisio> the GPL is to keep software from becoming closed source
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> thank you
[04:13] <shadowBlaze18> good bye
[04:13] <reisio> it's not to keep you from redistributing it or even from making money off binaries
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> coolot, Not needed and that kernel is not supported, modern hd's partition at 1024
[04:15] <ShadowBlaze18> if the GPL requires a source code to be made avaliable, would I have to do it?
[04:16] <wilee-nilee> coolot, We can't really support haomework, you might try ##linux and don't mention the school stuff.
[04:16] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: that's its purpose
[04:16] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: but I don't think your situation applies
[04:16] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: why not?
[04:17] <reisio> you aren't modifying the software
[04:17] <coolot> thanks wilee-nilee
[04:17] <wilee-nilee> coolot, If I knew I would say, no problem, want to see you do well.
[04:19] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: so Ubuntu does not already put the needed stuff in the actual OS for redistribution?
[04:20] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: they make the source available in their repos
[04:20] <reisio> which satisfies the GPL just fine, AIUI
[04:20] <reisio> you could also be a dork and only provide the source upon the request, IIRC (don't quote me on thiss)
[04:20] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: the source is there and available
[04:21] <ShadowBlaze18> histo: it's in the actual OS without extra download?
[04:21] <reisio> Ubuntu does what Debian does, and Debian and the FSF are tight
[04:21] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: it's an extra download
[04:21] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: just like all packages are
[04:21] <OchoZero9> How do i change my terminal to one that supports fontconfig and 24-bit color?
[04:22] <Pinkamena_D> how can you kill the process that is running in the terminal window other then closing it?
[04:22] <ShadowBlaze18> histo: see, that's where I think the issue is...
[04:22] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: apt-get source packagename
[04:22] <histo> ShadowBlaze18: no issue for what you are doing
[04:22] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
[04:22] <histo> Pinkamena_D: kill whatver_pid
[04:23] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: and IIRC you aren't even asking for money, so are even further within the limits
[04:23] <Pinkamena_D> I meant, how ot kill something running in the terminal window itself
[04:23] <Pinkamena_D> with some keyboard shortcut
[04:23] <reisio> Pinkamena_D: pgrep -l something
[04:23] <reisio> Pinkamena_D: kill something
[04:23] <reisio> Pinkamena_D: kill -9 something
[04:24] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio, yes, but I am creating a copy of the software and redistributing it, basically, since it's a part of the OS
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> 13.04 update causes unity to screw up
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> It doesn't load the panels
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> basically a black screen
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> I've followed several instructions on Ask Ubuntu
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> but nothing helps
[04:25] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: and somewhere in Ubuntu it is made clear that the source code is available
[04:25] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: so stop worrying :p
[04:25] <Foxhoundz> I think this has something to do with Compiz, but that's where the trail ends
[04:26] <tannji> Foxhoundz,  I did the update with no issues...  but sounds like unity or Lightdm needs restarting
[04:26] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: it is? oh, lol
[04:26] <draconus> back
[04:26] <Foxhoundz> tannji: I tried rebooting, resetting Unity, reinstalling unity, installing ccsm and making sure opengl was enabled
[04:26] <Foxhoundz> I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point
[04:26] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: oh, then I guess it's fine
[04:27] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: okay, thank you
[04:27] <tannji> Foxhoundz,  I had the same issue when trying to install the fglrx drivers
[04:27] <ShadowBlaze18> what just happened?
[04:27] <tannji> looks like the bot wars continue
[04:27] <Foxhoundz> fglrxinfo causes seg faults
[04:27] <ShadowBlaze18> bot wars?
[04:28] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuideDeprecated/Examples/DebianCopyrightGPL
[04:28] <wilee-nilee> yay the servers are working correctly now
[04:28] <tannji> wilee-nilee,  you know specifically what is happening?
[04:28] <ShadowBlaze18> ???
[04:28] <tannji> ah
[04:28] <ShadowBlaze18> oh, thanks
[04:28] <reisio> tannji: probably just netsplit resolution
[04:28] <reisio> although bot wars could explain a netsplit :p
[04:28] <tannji> right  = )
[04:28] <Foxhoundz> This is too much of a hedache
[04:29] <wilee-nilee> tannji The servers were having problems I could not get cloaked earlier.
[04:29] <Foxhoundz> I think I'm going to just get xubuntu
[04:29] <Foxhoundz> or some other distro
[04:29] <ShadowBlaze18> reisio: so do I have to include the GPL, though?
[04:29] <tannji> Foxhoundz,  I am thinking about that, but I worry about what happens to those other ubuntu's when this one goes to MIR
[04:29] <reisio> ShadowBlaze18: it's already included
[04:30] <ShadowBlaze18> okay
[04:30] <ShadowBlaze18> thanks
[04:30] <Foxhoundz> tannji: Ubuntu used to be a very stable workstation OS
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> Every time I updated I have to run into issues like this
[04:31] <wilee-nilee> Foxhoundz, You gonna rant or just move on.
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> wilee-nilee: It's not a rant
[04:31] <Tex_Nick> when i loggrd in ... NickServ :Services are currently unavailable
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> I just don't understand why Canonical doesn't comprehend the concept of unit testing
[04:31] <Foxhoundz> or even beta testing
[04:32] <Foxhoundz> Tex_Nick: NickServ syncing. Check #freenode.
[04:32] <tannji> Canonical does test, but not perfectly.  However, this is so much easier and better than it used to be I just deal with it.  It seems to get better
[04:33] <Tex_Nick> Foxhoundz: yeah was just replying to an above post
[04:34] <super-evolved>
[04:35] <holstein> Foxhoundz: ubuntu stability can also depend greatly on hardware support
[04:35] <holstein> for me, i avoid the desktops that are requiring 3d.. though, i am in one testing it right now
[04:36] <jdale> Hello
[04:36] <tannji> I try to make 3d work, so that if I ever game again, I am already there...
[04:36] <holstein> Foxhoundz: unit testing would be more for a product that ubuntu/canninical is selling.. and that is not the case.. its an operating system that needs to be as compatible as possible with many different hardare setups
[04:37] <reisio> hi jdale
[04:38] <jdale> holstein:
[04:38] <jdale> Hello
[04:38] <asandweech> Which can be difficult to do and still fit on a cd
[04:39] <holstein> jdale: hello.. feel free and chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.. do you need some help?
[04:39] <draconus> he he 2 fav nicks never taken by this croud here on fn
[04:40] <Guest94552> Quelqu'un connais un channel francais ou quebecois ?
[04:40] <draconus> ubuntu-fr?
[04:40] <Guest94552> merci
[04:40] <draconus> you are welcome
[04:40] <ghs> Can someone me help ? I'm trying to access github, however  appears the following error: Permission denied (publickey). How  to fix it ?
[04:40] <ni222722> any Hmong folks here?
[04:41] <asandweech> ghs: you need to add your public ssh key to your github account
[04:41] <asandweech> ghs: if you go to your github account settings, you should see an ssh tab
[04:41] <wheatthin> ni222722, do you have a support question?
[04:41] <ghs> asandweech: What ssh key ?
[04:41] <holstein> ghs: you can also try https://github.com/contact
[04:42] <holstein> !sshkey
[04:42] <holstein> !ssh | ghs
[04:44] <harshadura> !man
[04:44] <harshadura> !women
[04:45] <Aliengel> hi is there a tool for regex replace like sed -i but  do multipule line instead of single line matching ?
[04:46] <harshadura> !ggg
[04:46] <crunchnut> Has anyone had problems with the b43 and airmon-g
[04:46] <holstein> crunchnut: *everyone* has had issues with a broadcom chip.. what is going on?
[04:47] <draconus> Aliengel please ask in #bash and i'm sure they will help
[04:47] <kanupatar> Here is my issue faced in linux OS, http://ideone.com/9IiWLq
[04:48] <draconus> kanupatar could you please describe in here a bit?
[04:48] <crunchnut> Everytime i type airmon command its messes up my screen
[04:48] <crunchnut> I have 13.04
[04:48] <draconus> crunchnut what do you mean by that?
[04:48] <kanupatar> draconus: I have explained clearly in the link...lot to tell
[04:50] <chaotix> Hey fwilson i finished that tutorial...  if you or anyone wants to see, here it is:  http://chaotixlinux.blogspot.com
[04:50] <crunchnut> Cant really explain its colors all over
[04:51] <histo> kanupatar: try which java  to see why your pointer isn't working?
[04:51] <crunchnut> Leaving me no choice but to hard reboot
[04:52] <kanupatar> histo: pointer where?
[04:54] <histo> kanupatar: in your path
[04:55] <histo> crunchnut: grab a screen shot?
[04:55] <n96> ciao
[04:55] <n96> !list
[04:55] <kanupatar> histo: what do you mean  by pointer isn't working?
[04:56] <newtoarch> How can I get mpg123 to work on ARM?
[04:57] <newtoarch> anyone?
[04:58] <histo> kanupatar: aren't you complaining that it's showing you the wrong java -version ?
[04:58] <crunchnut> Ok ill try brb
[04:58] <dunpeal> Hi. Playing a video file, I get the following error:
[04:59] <dunpeal> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nouveau.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:59] <kanupatar> histo: means my PATH is not taking the exact java?
[04:59] <kanupatar> PATH == pointer?
[04:59] <histo> kanupatar: sorry if I typed pointer by mistake I corrected it in the next line
[05:00] <kanupatar> histo: ok np
[05:00] <vegombrei> hi, is it possible to install ubuntu on a usb 3 external hdd and boot from there? would it make it faster?
[05:00] <kanupatar> histo: what is the meaning of this error ? .UnsatisfiedLinkError
[05:01] <holstein> vegombrei: possible.. faster depends.. faster than usb2.0, likely
[05:01] <asandweech> vegombrei: Yes, you could, but it would only be faster if your current setup is slower than the external drive
[05:03] <vegombrei> asandweech: i have a good setup i just wanted to try this for the sake of it ... is it possible?
[05:05] <holstein> vegombrei: ?
[05:05] <vegombrei> holstein: yes my friend wassup?
[05:05] <holstein> vegombrei: yes.. the answer for "is a usb boot possible" is yes
[05:05] <asandweech> vegombrei: yes, very much so
[05:05] <asandweech> vegombrei: just install onto that drives partition during the install process
[05:06] <asandweech> and, you could probably even boot on different systems portably. To a certain extent
[05:07] <Omen_20> So.. Brasero for whatever reason won't let me do an ISO copy of a disc and is talking about the size of the disc. I have no idea why because I have a ton of storage left on my drives. I've made ISOs with Brasero many times before and never had an issue.
[05:07] <holstein> the only issue would possibly be, if you want grub on the USB and the machine doesnt boot USB.. and you can use plop for that http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html
[05:08] <holstein> Omen_20: share some of what is "talking", and the exact talk
[05:10] <vegombrei> holstein: yes my friend wassup?brb
[05:11] <holstein> vegombrei: do you see the answer to your question? the answer is yes..
[05:11] <holstein> vegombrei: i used a "?" because i was confused as to why you asked the question again
[05:11] <Omen_20> holstein: the data size is too large for the disc even with the overburn option
[05:11] <vegombrei> yes thank you brb im reading one of them forums
[05:12] <holstein> Omen_20: the iso is too large for the media?
[05:13] <PashaPasta> people still burn discs instead of using usb? 0.o
[05:14] <holstein> Omen_20: maybe you have a slightly oversized iso, and you are misinterpreting the error message
[05:14] <Omen_20> I put in another DVD and it doesn't have the issue. It is smaller than the size left on the partition and it works. The issue is when I put the larger DVD in it won't let me chose a location for the ISO. The properties button is disabled. What since does that make?
[05:14] <crunchnut> Wont let me screenshot the screen shot wont load going to try take a pic with my phone
[05:14] <holstein> Omen_20: could be that type of media with your particular burner
[05:15] <Omen_20> I'm not burning a disc, I just want to make a copy but Brasero tells me my partition doesn't have enough space, and fails to let me tell it where I do have space for it.
[05:15] <holstein> Omen_20: if you are not burning a disc, i would close the disc burning utility, and make a copy of a file in a file manager
[05:16] <Omen_20> I don't want a particular file, I want an ISO copy of the disc.
[05:17] <holstein> Omen_20: what disc?
[05:17] <holstein> Omen_20: an iso? or an actual plastic disc?
[05:17] <Omen_20> a DVD
[05:19] <asandweech> Omen_20: have you just tried using dd?
[05:19] <reisio> there are a lot of types of DVD
[05:19] <reisio> compressed, double-sided
[05:19] <reisio> dvd-r dvd+r
[05:19] <reisio> lots of formats
[05:19] <reisio> iso-9660, udf
[05:19] <reisio> apparently you've found one that brasero wasn't expecting
[05:19] <reisio> there are even DVDs that are imaged with errors included on purpose
[05:20] <reisio> to try and keep people from copying them
[05:20] <Omen_20> What's aggravating is that I've done this for years and have always had a small ~ partition. So I've always had to tell it to put the ISO on another partition. This is a new bug apparently.
[05:20] <Omen_20> No I have not. I'll look it up.
[05:20] <reisio> maybe, or a new disc
[05:20] <asandweech> Omen_20: http://askubuntu.com/questions/147800/ripping-dvd-to-iso-accurately
[05:20] <holstein> if one DVD works, and another doesnt.. i say, its the disc
[05:20] <asandweech> look at that, I go along with the top answer, but the others give some other good options
[05:21] <reisio> Omen_20: what's on it, a dvd-video?
[05:21] <asandweech> Omen_20: dd is a common disk and file management program, acronym for disk dump. I use it to write isos to disks most often
[05:22] <Omen_20> reisio: yep
[05:22] <james41382> What is a good way to perform full system backups with Ubuntu precise?
[05:22] <reisio> Omen_20: can mplayer play it from dvd:// ?
[05:23] <reisio> james41382: incremental or not?
[05:23] <vegombrei> holstein: you think ill have problems with the boot loader ? i have windows on my system and wanna dedicate ubuntu to the usb 3 drive, where will it install the bootloader if i make my first boot device the usb drive?
[05:23] <james41382> reisio: What do you mean?
[05:23] <reisio> james41382: do you want a backup that has, for example, copies of files as they were last month, and also as they were the month before
[05:23] <reisio> james41382: or just copies of files as they were before the inevitable destruction of the original?
[05:23] <vegombrei> holstein: also what happens if the drive isnt plugged in .. will it boot windows?
[05:23] <SuSam> hi
[05:24] <holstein> vegombrei: you can specify.. you can use an alternate installer, though sometimes, i just go to a machine that has no hard drive, and do an install to the stick
[05:24] <holstein> vegombrei: if you make no changes to your current setup, nothing will change
[05:24] <james41382> reisio: Okay I see.. I guess if I could archive the backups (incrementally) that would be awesome, but if not I'll get over it.
[05:24] <reisio> james41382: rdiff-backup and a cron job then :)
[05:24] <reisio> james41382: with rdiff-backup-fs for accessing backup data should you actually need to restore from it
[05:25] <james41382> reisio: I am fairly new to Linux so treat me like I know nothing. =]
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: okay :)
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: what about terminals and commands?
[05:25] <james41382> reisio: cron jobs are automated tasks?
[05:25] <vegombrei> holstein: i think i should research this more ... brb
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: yes
[05:25] <reisio> james41382: with cron you can, for example, tell the system to be backed up every night at 3am
[05:25] <james41382> reisio: I am fairly good with a shell and a little google magic.
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: okay, your system should already have a cron system
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: lots of info on that here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron and also man cron, man 5 crontab
[05:26] <holstein> vegombrei: have your data backedup, since *all* hard drives fail.. know how to recover all your data and boot loaders, and OS's, and there can be no issues
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: what else you need is sudo apt-get install rdiff-backup rdiff-backup-fs
[05:26] <asandweech> james41382: you could also use the default ubuntu backup manager, deja dup
[05:26] <asandweech> I use it sometimes, works rather well
[05:26] <reisio> james41382: the syntax is simple, as man rdiff-backup explains: rdiff-backup /source/ /destination/, basically
[05:26] <holstein> dejadup is quite nice
[05:27] <james41382> Is dejadup graphical?
[05:27] <asandweech> james: yes
[05:27] <asandweech> james41382: works rather well, easy to follow, decently intuitive
[05:28] <asandweech> james41382: pretty much why ubuntu made it default
[05:28] <james41382> Okay let me clarify I want to backup the entire hard drive.
[05:28] <james41382> When I enter dejadup into the dash it takes me to backup and it appears as though it is for backing up directories.
[05:28] <holstein> dejadup is easy... clonezilla is easy-ish too, and makes a clone of a drive.. otherwise, you have quite a few options to try out
[05:28] <varunendra> Omen_20, did you get around to your problem?
[05:28] <asandweech> james41382: Yes, you select the root directory of the drive
[05:28] <holstein> james41382: backup the / directory
[05:29] <reisio> backing up the OS files is kind of a waste of time, though, really
[05:29] <reisio> they're already mirrored all over the place
[05:29] <james41382> holstein: So that will backup the entire drive as is with partitions set the way they are?
[05:29] <Omen_20> reisio: apparently mplayer cannot load it. So I'm guessing these are just different DVDs.
[05:29] <reisio> Omen_20: quite possibly
[05:29] <reisio> Omen_20: what error do you get?
[05:29] <holstein> james41382: im not sure what you are asking.. its not a clone. its a copy of the / partition.. which is the drive
[05:30] <holstein> james41382: depends on what you want to do and have
[05:30] <asandweech> james41382: just add the other folders in the other partitions
[05:30] <holstein> dejadup is quite simple
[05:30] <crunchnut> https://copy.com/2ApnD
[05:30] <james41382> Okay I'll give it a go! =]
[05:30] <asandweech> I backup a 8 partition system on two drives using deja dup, 5 are ext4, 3 are ntfs
[05:31] <crunchnut> It does that everytime i try airmon-ng
[05:31] <kit-kat6> hi all, i have been trying to use bluetooth in past two days,i have added all required packages for bluez stack,when i try to transfer files using obexftp or ussp push there is no channel list obtain in sdptool browse,it shows just http://pastebin.com/tU5tMVUb,i am new to bluetooth can you please help me to get channel list
[05:32] <Omen_20> reisio: It tells me "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable." then goes through the details of titles, angles, subtitles, etc. Then says it's exiting.
[05:33] <reisio> Omen_20: interesting
[05:33] <reisio> Omen_20: well, dd (or ddrescue) should still probably be able to make a copy of it
[05:33] <ObrienDave> Omen_20==> have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[05:33] <ripthejacker> Hi everyone
[05:33] <reisio> if a backup alone will do for now
[05:33] <Omen_20> I have libdvdread4 installed.
[05:33] <reisio> ripthejacker: sup
[05:34] <ripthejacker> reisio: Hi
[05:34] <Omen_20> ObrienDave: I don't remember if I did on this install or not. I'll check.
[05:34] <ripthejacker> I'm using Ubuntu 13.04 Raring 64 bit
[05:34] <ripthejacker> and it's very slow sometimes
[05:35] <Omen_20> ObrienDave: I did not. Installing now from the official repositories.
[05:35] <asandweech> ripthejacker: but it is quick others?
[05:35] <varunendra> Omen_20, did you try opening brasero first > tell it to copy a disc > choose location > insert the disc last ?
[05:35] <ObrienDave> Omen_20==> try looking into Medibuntu also
[05:35] <ripthejacker> My desktop config is, 4gb ddr3, intel i5, ati radeon 6450
[05:36] <Myrtti> Omen_20: having it installed isn't enough, did you run the script too?
[05:36] <asandweech> ripthejacker: what type of storage?
[05:36] <ripthejacker> asandweech: My office pc has a worse configuration and it runs faster
[05:36] <ripthejacker> but it's 13.04 32 bit
[05:36] <asandweech> ripthejacker: what programs do you have running in the background?
[05:36] <ripthejacker> Mostly firefox, nautilus , amarok, vlc
[05:37] <jnhghy> pls help with an import from one module in another one, file structure+details here: http://pastebin.com/YFQdXbTN
[05:37] <asandweech> ripthejacker: how does those compare to what you do at work?
[05:37] <ripthejacker> asandweech: It lags the most when i open the dash using the 'meta' key
[05:37] <jnhghy> sorry wrong channel :D
[05:38] <ripthejacker> the pc in my office has, 2gb ddr3, core2 duo, and intel graphics
[05:38] <asandweech> ripthejacker: no, I mean what you have running in the background
[05:38] <ripthejacker> asandweech: same
[05:39] <asandweech> ripthejacker: also, what is running slow, graphics, program startup time, file load time
[05:39] <aeon-ltd> ripthejacker: do you have drivers for the gpu?
[05:39] <ripthejacker> asandweech: maybe even more like nginx server etc,
[05:39] <ripthejacker> aeon-ltd: driver has always been an issue for my card
[05:39] <crunchnut> https://copy.com/MFKV6 this me typing in the command then the screen messes up
[05:39] <ripthejacker> the proprietary and the free ones don't work
[05:40] <ripthejacker> I always have to download from the AMD site
[05:40] <aeon-ltd> ripthejacker: this article saus it does http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeon_hd6450&num=3
[05:40] <aeon-ltd> *says
[05:40] <aeon-ltd> and only 2 years old
[05:40] <ripthejacker> aeon-ltd: The same card was working super fast with Ubuntu 12.10
[05:41] <asandweech> ripthejacker: have you tried running in safe graphics mode?
[05:43] <ripthejacker> asandweech: No, whenever I install any driver other than the one from the AMD site, The gui broken ( like static in tv)
[05:43] <Omen_20> This time it had an error while trying to crack a key.
[05:44] <ripthejacker> asandweech, aeon-ltd : even with nomodeset , the gui is broken
[05:44] <asandweech> ripthejacker: hmm, is the graphics performance what is being slowed?
[05:45] <ahmedm> hi all i am trying to changing kernel configuration can anybody tell me a good procedure to backup kernel before changing kernel configuration
[05:45] <ripthejacker> asandweech: Probably , but I'm not sure.
[05:45] <ripthejacker> asandweech: Would it make any change if I used 32 bit version?
[05:45] <Omen_20> "libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.12 for DVD access" I figure that's the latest version. Got it from medibuntu.
[05:46] <asandweech> ripthejacker: I doubt it. Not much sense to do so. Try timing your programs in a new tty, without a de
[05:47] <ripthejacker> asandweech: I have noticed that compiz takes too much virtual memory
[05:47] <AlexFromCanada> Hey I was wondering if anyone could help with my problem?
[05:48] <AlexFromCanada> After installing Ubuntu and forgetting to change the GRUB location my Windows 7 will not boot.
[05:48] <ripthejacker> asandweech: So what is the recommended way to install graphics driver
[05:48] <AlexFromCanada> I am triple booting Mac, Windows 7, and Ubuntu.
[05:49] <asandweech> ripthejacker: here, let me find you amd's tutorial for their driver
[05:49] <openbees>  /msg NickServ identify baglamukhi
[05:49] <asandweech> (what i normally use)
[05:49] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, what verison ubuntu are you on?
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, and I'm curious, what's your graphics card?
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> !amd
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> !ati
[05:50] <Ari-Yang> ^ asandweech
[05:50] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: at office 13.04 intel onboard graphics
[05:50] <asandweech> Ari-yang: right, forgot about ubottu. Thanks for the bump. ripthejacker, that serves as a good source as well
[05:50] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: 13.04 32 bit
[05:51] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, you can go to Software sources and check the 'Additional Drivers' tab.
[05:51] <Ari-Yang> to see if there are any proprietary drivers or not.
[05:52] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: I tried that, there were 3 options , I tried all 3 of them , and they all failed
[05:52] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, what was the name of the proprietary driver?
[05:52] <Tex_Nick> AlexFromCanada: have you tried "sudo update-grub" ?
[05:53] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: I don't remember now,but something like fgrlx
[05:53] <AlexFromCanada> i did
[05:53] <CrunchyNutty> can anyone help with the airmon-ng problem
[05:54] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, the amd proprietary driver, fglrx, is horrible... it has horrible 2d acceleration.
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> I also got I also tried boot-repair
[05:54] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: have you tried boot-repair?
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> it deleted it
[05:54] <Ari-Yang> you'd only use it if you were a gamer I'd guess, but if you aren't, you're better off with th eopen source one, ripthejacker
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> but now there is no boot loader for windows 7
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> so it says missing operating system
[05:54] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: nevermind then, haha. Does the bootloader still exist?
[05:54] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: my gaming is limited to CS 1.6 :P
[05:54] <AlexFromCanada> Windows 7 or Ubuntu?
[05:55] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Windows 7
[05:55] <AlexFromCanada> I don't think so.
[05:55] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Is there a microsoft folder in your /boot dir?
[05:55] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, ah. Well just be careful when installing fglrx, I've seen many people have broken desktops after installing it...
[05:56] <AlexFromCanada> let me check
[05:56] <AlexFromCanada> brb
[05:56] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.42&lang=English
[05:56] <james41382> reisio: It looks like rdiff is written in python.
[05:56] <ripthejacker> This is the one I have installed now
[05:56] <Ari-Yang> how is it working?
[05:56] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: crappy
[05:57] <reisio> james41382: mmm
[05:57] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: even with 12.10 , i used the drivers from here and it was working blazing fast
[05:57] <ripthejacker> Now I feel it's slower than Windows 7 in my netbook
[05:57] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, ah, tbh I wouldn't trust those drivers, but that's just me
[05:58] <ripthejacker> ok
[05:58] <Ari-Yang> (the driver from the site)
[05:58] <james41382> reisio: I just took an class using python. It's neat to see it being used in a practical application.
[05:58] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: so you suggest I use the open source driver
[05:58] <reisio> james41382: :)
[05:59] <james41382> reisio: I like the idea of incremental backups. I will read more about this later on. Thanks.
[05:59] <james41382> Thanks all. Goodnight.
[05:59] <reisio> adios
[06:00] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, as I said before, if you aren't a gamer, then yes..... Though the open source one really runs your gpu hot (especially on laptops). I worked around this by installing a kernel that has the new dynamic power management patches, and everything works better
[06:01] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, you may want to take a look at this http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?81666-AMD-Has-Massive-Radeon-Patch-Set-Power-Management!&p=338568#post338568 in case you want to use a mainline kernel, like me. (this is if you choose to use the open source radeon driver)
[06:01] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: ok , thanks
[06:01] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: so the driver in the link I posted is fglrx?
[06:02] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, yeah, I think so.
[06:02] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: kk, Thank you
[06:02] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Installing_upstream_drivers_directly_from_AMD.27s_website that is probably what you did
[06:03] <ripthejacker> Thanks everyone , I'll try it when I go home
[06:04] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, I too having some issues ^_^
[06:04] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/ the appropriate firmware to use the new power management. and the kernel you should use http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-next/
[06:04] <ripthejacker> kro[au]: amd card?
[06:04] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, APUs don't need the *_smc.bin btw
[06:04] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, APU specifically. Couldnt get unity launch or top bar to return. I'm not a novice with linux in general either.
[06:05] <AlexFromCanada> hey
[06:05] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, even trying to undo the damage was a no goer for me. I could have investigated more I guess, but i ended up reinstalling 13.04 and sticking with stock drivers(slow) until a rainy day.
[06:05] <AlexFromCanada> I'm back
[06:06] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: find anything?
[06:06] <AlexFromCanada> What was I checking again?
[06:06] <AlexFromCanada> I had to reboot to Ubuntu and I forgot
[06:06] <kro[au]> I also tinkered with the 13.6 Beta driver stoo
[06:06] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: existance of windows 7 bootloader
[06:07] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: How is the kernels in that page different from the kernel in repos?
[06:07] <AlexFromCanada> and where would that be
[06:07] <ripthejacker> kro[au]: so the stock drivers are working for you?
[06:07] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, those are called 'mainline' kernels..... some people would use them for e.g. better hardware support
[06:07] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: your /boot dir
[06:07] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, the one I linked you has the patches for the new power management for amd cards
[06:07] <kro[au]> ripthejacker, the opensource default yes- not the proprietary fglrx driver
[06:07] <AlexFromCanada> Sorry if I sound stupid, but I'm still learning, I'm only 13 lol
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> k
[06:08] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: ok, but what about kernel updates? I have to do them manually?
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> in that folder is a whole bunch of languages
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> memtest
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> bootstat
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> bcd
[06:08] <AlexFromCanada> bcd.log
[06:08] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, yes, you'd want to check that page out now and again to see check if there are updates or not
[06:08] <FloodBot1> AlexFromCanada: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:08] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: Only power management? I may not need it cuz I use desktop at home
[06:08] <OchoZero9> How do i set emulator to login like recommended at the end of this page? http://askubuntu.com/questions/283908/how-can-i-install-and-use-powerline-plugin?rq=1
[06:08] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: alright, so the bootloader still exists, you just don't have a proper option in grub
[06:09] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, you can check the change log if you want, but that's the main thing. also my opengl updated from 2.1 to 3.0
[06:09] <Ari-Yang> oh, and there's UVD too
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> I am using rEFIt to select my OSes
[06:09] <Jin-Sune> k
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> my problem is that after installing Ubuntu
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> and leaving the GRUB setting default
[06:09] <AlexFromCanada> windows will not boot
[06:09] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: so how do you update them?
[06:10] <ajay_> ajay
[06:10] <ripthejacker> ripthejacker: clone the repo periodically?
[06:10] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, the kernel? you just download the appropriate .deb files... and just install them.
[06:10] <ripthejacker> oops
[06:10] <ashwith> hi
[06:10] <kro[au]> lol
[06:10] <ajay_> hello
[06:10] <AlexFromCanada> What should I do now?
[06:10] <ashwith> how is work
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> !mainline
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> ^ ripthejacker
[06:11] <Ari-Yang> you should read that
[06:11] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: is this a uefi system?
[06:12] <AlexFromCanada> What's that?
[06:12] <ripthejacker> Ari-Yang: Ok will try it. Thanks for helping
[06:12] <AlexFromCanada> It's a triple-boot of Mac, Windows 7, and Ubuntu
[06:12] <Ari-Yang> ripthejacker, okay, good luck.
[06:12] <AlexFromCanada> It's on a MacBook Pro
[06:12] <ripthejacker> :D
[06:13] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Oh, alright. Sorry, forgout about the osx presence.  This thread might be of assistance: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1036547
[06:14] <AlexFromCanada> I don't want Windows in GRUB though, I just want it to boot
[06:14] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: So you don't want to boot windows from grub?
[06:14] <SDIS> fsdfdfd
[06:15] <AlexFromCanada> No, I can use rEFIt to choose my OSes, so I don't need it in the GRUB menu.
[06:15] <AlexFromCanada> It's just after Ubuntu and GRUB were installed, windows will not boot.
[06:15] <histo> AlexFromCanada: did grub get installed to the windows drive?  You should have installed ubuntu in uefi mode if you were using refit
[06:16] <draconus> varunendra hello dude :) do you remember me?
[06:16] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: Oh, I did not know about that situation. So is there a windows entry in grub?
[06:16] <wolter> My computer takes ages to shut down, and I thought this shutdown message might help solve the problem: http://i.imgur.com/hxGciVi.png How should I proceed to fix this?
[06:16] <AlexFromCanada> Yes
[06:16] <varunendra> draconus, sure ! :D
[06:16] <varunendra> draconus, so how did it went ?
[06:16] <AlexFromCanada> and it takes me to a screen where it says windows failed to boot, blah blah blah
[06:16] <draconus> varunendra i got some news... the drive is 99.99% OK :) so are my data... 18 hours of work but it's all done :)
[06:17] <varunendra> draconus, congrats ! What was the problem?
[06:17] <AlexFromCanada> And after booting ubuntu and not booting Mac, choosing Windows takes me to the GRUB bootloader
[06:17] <draconus> varunendra those "gone" partitions were bogush... i decided to reboot into rescue (netboot) and then i could just mount them with NO problem, fsck also, testdisk never spitted out an error, etc.
[06:18] <AlexFromCanada> but if I boot Mac first, then it says missing operating system
[06:18] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: http://refit.sourceforge.net/help/windows_boots_linux.html
[06:18] <draconus> varunendra so i copied over 800GB of data to another drive and guess what? just ONE single file reported i/o error... and even that one went tru with dd :)
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> hi all
[06:19] <draconus> varunendra i still can't find out WHAT caused all that mess
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> I did the recovery process for grub but all I got in the end is Memtest in the menu
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> and no kernel for ubuntu
[06:19] <CommaCrazy> any help would be apreciated
[06:19] <AlexFromCanada> it says to ask for help if that is the case and it seems like it is.
[06:20] <AlexFromCanada> How would I remove it
[06:20] <varunendra> draconus, at least a good ending at last ! Who cares what caused it... Just remember to backup from now on.. :D
[06:20] <draconus> varunendra it's crazy, isn't it? i could paste you some logs that look JUST like it was a failing drive... so many errors in dmesg, broken fs, can't read blocks, etc.
[06:20] <AlexFromCanada> And I thought that that was the problem because I forgot to change the default GRUB installation location
[06:20] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: apparently you just need to move grub to your linux partition and get it out of the mbr
[06:21] <draconus> varunendra scary, scary shit... i'm wiping that drive clean and putting new distro on plus ext4 tonight
[06:21] <AlexFromCanada> How do I do that?
[06:21] <asandweech> AlexFromCanada: This guy seems to have the problem solved: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119702
[06:22] <apm1> i have dual graphics amd raedon 6400m+ intel 2nd gen integrated ,what proprietary driver do i install ?
[06:22] <draconus> varunendra i would like to express my words of thankfulness (whatever i should write that) for encouraging me and trying to help, i would probably never did that without your care
[06:22] <varunendra> draconus, since all those errors, logs etc. are generated by the os, if, for whatever reason, once it gets off-track, it'll *see* everything wrong... that's where reboot does the magic ;)
[06:22] <draconus> varunendra yes
[06:23] <varunendra> draconus, that seems over-generous to me.... we were only doing what we are here for :)
[06:23] <apm1> here is the amd card's lspci  : VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M Series]
[06:23] <AlexFromCanada> SHould I execute these commands from Ubuntu or Mac?
[06:23] <draconus> varunendra somehow it came to my mind that the system went totally wrong and is operating on some crazy illusion... which appeared true but then... guess how much power it took to press that hard reboot button...
[06:23] <AlexFromCanada> or will it not matter?
[06:23] <draconus> was* operating
[06:23] <asandweech> ubuntu, since that is where you want grub to be moved
[06:24] <AlexFromCanada> k
[06:24] <asandweech> though if done properly shouldn't matter
[06:24] <AlexFromCanada> thx
[06:24] <apm1> nvm just found the answer
[06:24] <asandweech> I'm heading off, night everyone
[06:25] <AlexFromCanada> It said to change sdx accordingly?
[06:25] <draconus> varunendra i spent like 2 hours estimating and wondering if i should go for that... and it didn't really reboot... box was stalled for THREE hours... not sure if technicans did something or was it fscking or wtf...
[06:26] <varunendra> draconus, I have lost three years of hard work once.... seemed like end of world for a couple of days.... but then it made me realize that the only thing that is truly ours is what we have in our mind, ourselves.... be ready to lose everything else some day..
[06:26] <AlexFromCanada> It said to change sdx accordingly?
[06:27] <varunendra> draconus, since then I don't give too much thought if something goes wrong, although I do stay prepared..
[06:28] <varunendra> draconus, given the fact that it is a remote server, you should make special arrangements for offline backups.. don't you think so?
[06:30] <draconus> varunendra i do understand you because... that box had like 3 years of my work also... and i even tried to say goodbye already, came to the state of clear mind and just said exactly same thing as you did
[06:31] <draconus> varunendra i have realised that backups on the box are NOT enough and it's a MUST to send them somewhere via rsync
[06:31] <varunendra> draconus, that's even better :)
[06:32] <draconus> varunendra and yes, i think that since now i won't care this much about stuff, something broke inside me as i realised how easy it is to lose everything
[06:32] <draconus> as long as that stuff is mine and not customers'
[06:33] <varunendra> draconus, broke or lightened up..?? lol..
[06:33] <draconus> varunendra both at once :)
[06:33] <draconus> so damn mixed up...
[06:33] <varunendra> XD
[06:34] <nugroho> WHA420355
[06:34] <nugroho> SOC155694
[06:35] <AlexFromCanada> I'm back, and that didn't work.
[06:36] <reisio> what didn't?
[06:36] <joyson> hi
[06:36] <reisio> hi
[06:37] <AlexFromCanada> Removing Grub from my MBR
[06:37] <joyson> Watch the videos.. https://www.youtube.com/8bitzs
[06:37] <reisio> what's the problem?
[06:37] <AlexFromCanada> I installed GRUB in Ubuntu to the MBR by accident
[06:37] <AlexFromCanada> I'm triple-booting Mac, Ubuntu, and WIndows 7
[06:38] <reisio> so what do you want in there mbr?
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> I don't know
[06:38] <ajay_> work
[06:38] <kit-kat6> hi i try to send a file to my phone from pc using bluetooth, at the time in my phone it will prompt a window for pin pairing i just pressed 1234, but it shows http://pastebin.com/1k0biYHj in my host, can you please help me
[06:38] <reisio> grub I'd a good idea
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> Whatever will let me boot windows and mac
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> and then i can put grub in the partition
[06:38] <AlexFromCanada> instead of the mbr
[06:39] <reisio> grub will
[06:40] <AlexFromCanada> I am using rEFIt to triple-boot btw
[06:40] <reisio> kit-kat6: can't use the gui?
[06:40] <reisio> reinstall refit to the mbr then
[06:41] <AlexFromCanada> rEFIt isn't in the mbr
[06:41] <AlexFromCanada> it's in the efi folder on the mac partition
[06:41] <kit-kat6> reisio i just tried through cmdline, Can' t open tty: Connection refused ????
[06:42] <reisio> kit-kat6: you can't use the gui?
[06:42] <AlexFromCanada> What should I do?
[06:42] <Jin-Sune> im running 13.04 64bit with a broadcom bcm43227 i need to know how to get my card to do packet injection
[06:42] <reisio> AlexFromCanada: hence reinstall
[06:42] <AlexFromCanada> but refit isn't in the mbr
[06:42] <reisio> (refit)
[06:42] <AlexFromCanada> so it wouldn't replace it
[06:43] <kit-kat6> reisio yes i can
[06:43] <reisio> right you'll have to reinstall it to the mbr
[06:43] <AlexFromCanada> but it doesn't go in the mbr
[06:43] <reisio> then what's the problem?
[06:44] <JinSune> im running 13.04 64bit with a broadcom bcm43227 i need to know how to get my card to do packet injection
[06:44] <AlexFromCanada> I accidentally put GRUB in the mgr which is making it so I can't boot windows
[06:44] <AlexFromCanada> *mbr
[06:44] <reisio> ok
[06:44] <reisio> which version of Windows?
[06:44] <mugupta> How can it happen that a command that was working a while ago in a terminal window does not work in a new terminal window
[06:44] <AlexFromCanada> Windows 7
[06:44] <mugupta> I was using adb devices in a directory
[06:45] <reisio> mugupta: number of reasons
[06:45] <ObrienDave> AlexFromCanada==> how many Win partitions do you have? I have 3
[06:45] <reisio> AlexFromCanada: ms-sys -7
[06:45] <mugupta> now when I open another terminal window and traverse to the same directory I am not able to use it again.
[06:45] <AlexFromCanada> I have one windows partition, one mac partition, and one ubuntu partition
[06:45] <AlexFromCanada> and where do i type that resio?
[06:46] <mugupta> reisio: Could you suggest something that I am missing here? Sorry, if its too trivial. I am new on ubuntu
[06:46] <reisio> AlexFromCanada: from Ubuntu, install ms-sys
[06:46] <john38> Anybody know where i could find 12.04 first release not the 12.04.2
[06:46] <mugupta> It now says command not found
[06:46] <AlexFromCanada> k
[06:46] <reisio> mugupta: what command?
[06:47] <mugupta> adb command not found
[06:47] <reisio> mugupta: go back to working terminal, paste output of 'history'
[06:48] <john38> Anybody know where i could find 12.04 first release not the 12.04.2??
[06:48] <mugupta>   318  sudo adb kill-server
[06:48] <mugupta>   319  sudo adb start-server
[06:48] <mugupta>   320  sudo adb devices
[06:48] <mugupta>   321  adb devices
[06:48] <FloodBot1> mugupta: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:49] <AlexFromCanada> What was I supposed too put into the terminal on ubuntu?
[06:49] <mugupta> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5845853/
[06:49] <AlexFromCanada> I just rebooted from mac back into ubuntu
[06:49] <reisio> man ms-sys
[06:50] <AlexFromCanada> no manual entry for ms-sys
[06:50] <ObrienDave> john38 ==> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/
[06:51] <AlexFromCanada> what do I do now?
[06:52] <mugupta> reisio: Thanks. I resolved it now. I didn't realize that yesterday's terminal window (where it was working) I had typed in a command to set up the environments
[06:52] <reisio> ms-sys -h/help them
[06:53] <reisio> mugupta: gj
[06:53] <AlexFromCanada> ms-sys command not found
[06:54] <reisio> install it
[06:55] <AlexFromCanada> unable to locate package ms-sys
[06:55] <nbags> AlexFromCanada: i remember building ms-sys from source last time i used it
[06:56] <AlexFromCanada> I found it now
[06:56] <AlexFromCanada> Are you sure this will work, it mentions using floppies.
[06:56] <ObrienDave> where did you find ms-sys?
[06:56] <reisio> what mentions?
[06:56] <AlexFromCanada> ms-sys.sourceforge.net
[06:56] <ObrienDave> thanks
[06:57] <north> hello all.. How can I scan the ip addresses present in the subnet... P.S: I need to ssh to a headless device
[06:57] <reisio> magic of the word 'or'
[06:57] <AlexFromCanada> and the place where it says it takes the specs from was closed years ago
[06:58] <AlexFromCanada> and I know you don't need a floppy, but I was wondering if it would work with Windows 7 if it even mentions a floppy
[06:58] <AlexFromCanada> it says it won't be of much use
[06:58] <AlexFromCanada> writing a WIndows 7 boot record
[06:59] <nbags> north: nmap
[06:59] <AlexFromCanada> and thats its still experimental
[06:59] <north> nbags: how ?
[06:59] <nbags> AlexFromCanada: what are you trying to do? i'm written win7 boot records fine ...
[07:00] <reisio> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreUbuntu/XP/Vista/7Bootloader then
[07:00] <nbags> north: its the name of a program that can do network scanning. you will have to read the docs if you want to know how to use it
[07:00] <north> Yes... but I need the Mac address also along with the ip address so that SSH on a dhcp environment is easy
[07:01] <north> nbags:
[07:01] <nbags> north: man nmap
[07:01] <north> yea... but no possible option...
[07:01] <north> nbags:
[07:01] <nbags> north: yes, nmap can tell u the mac address of a given ip
[07:02] <joyson_> hi
[07:02] <north> ok... lemme check.... and may I know what prefix it is nbags please ?
[07:02] <reisio> hi joyson_
[07:03] <nbags> north: can't remember. but i think just 'nmap <subnet>' gives you such information. i hope you are doing this on your own network. nmap can do intrusive things are are illegal in many places
[07:03] <histo> north: you could do somehting like nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[07:04] <histo> north: that will ping scan the subnet <IP_ADDRESS> for hosts that are up
[07:05] <histo> north: or nmap -p 22 --open -sV <IP_ADDRESS>/24  to look specifically for port 22
[07:05] <kcdiaz> there is a file I couldn't delete in my trash, it kept saying access denied, how can I delete this file?
[07:05] <histo> kcdiaz: who owns it?
[07:06] <kcdiaz> root
[07:06] <histo> kcdiaz: well that's why chown the file or sudo rm /path/to/file  to delete it
[07:06] <histo> kcdiaz: I can't remember if unity uses .Trash or not?
[07:07] <kcdiaz> whats the path to Trash?
[07:08] <north> yes, but that gives me only ips of the 0.0 subnet
[07:08] <north> nbags:
[07:09] <histo> kcdiaz: try /home/username/.Trash
[07:10] <kcdiaz> rm: cannot remove ‘pulse-PKdhtXMmr18n.2.2’: Is a directory
[07:11] <kcdiaz> I keep getting that error message
[07:11] <histo> north: what is your IP configuration change the command accordingly
[07:12] <north> histo: I am able to figure that out... but how do I get the associated mac address ?
[07:12] <north> any other way ?
[07:12] <north> histo: nmap doesn't support the mac address stuff
[07:12] <north> :p
[07:13] <histo> north: why do you need the mac address?
[07:13] <north> cuz, my raspberry pi is headless...
[07:13] <north> I'm in a univ and if I get the mac addr, then I can pin point my Rpi and ssh into it
[07:13] <north> histo:
[07:14] <histo> north: you just need the ip to ssh in but try adding the -n switch to nmap
[07:14] <histo> north: nmap -sP -n subnet
[07:14] <north> histo: I know I just need the ip, but you are not getting my point... my Rpi is headless...
[07:15] <histo> north: I understand that
[07:15] <histo> north: I still don't see why you need the mac of your rpi
[07:16] <north> I know the mac of my pi... its like I know the mac and if the nmap shows me the mac then it will be two way authentication that am sshing into my rpi
[07:16] <nbags> north: you are authenticating using mac??
[07:17] <orl> orl
[07:17] <aeon-ltd> ORLY
[07:17] <north> the -n switch didn't help histo
[07:17] <Mrdarknezz> Anyone know any good external monitoring tools for ubuntu server?
[07:17] <histo> north: ssh has built in known hosts feature
[07:17] <nbags> north: mac addresses can easily be spoofed ... u know that right?
[07:18] <noob7> just updated the new kernel and after reboot the screen stays black after grub/purple screen -> used 3.5.0-34-generic and it works again (having ATI Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series])
[07:18] <north> Yes... but this experiment of mine doesn't involve mac spoofin
[07:19] <north> ? nbags histo
[07:20] <histo> north: So perhaps you can elaborate on your experience so we can show you the best way to do what you want.
[07:20] <histo> s/experience/experiment/
[07:21] <nbags> experimenting with an authentication mechanism that you know can easily be broken seems like a waste of time
[07:21] <nbags> isnt that what ssh host keys are for?
[07:22] <NonaSuomi> Probably a dumb question, but I've got two directories which beahave as if one is a symlink to the other, but readlink doesn't seem to react to either. What am I doing wrong?
[07:22] <north> yes... histo: I am now in a dhcp envi (my univ), where I know the correct ip of my Rpi (cuz I have conencted a monitor to Rpi). I will be moving into a new dhcp envi (another univ without monitor) where I dunno the ip of the Rpi. Thats the reason I need a command which shows the mac address and which makes my identification of my Rpi easy nbags
[07:22] <nbags> NonaSuomi: maybe they are hard linked? or bind mouted?
[07:23] <NonaSuomi> nbags:  Okay, that's... I don't even know how I would have done that. I created this file on my external HDD back when I used Windows, and now I'm on Ubuntu and trying to clean up the drive a bit.
[07:23] <nbags> north: so did nmap work?
[07:23] <north> no...
[07:23] <NonaSuomi> Any way I can check what's going on?
[07:24] <north> I t works now...
[07:24] <nbags> NonaSuomi: so this is NTFS?
[07:24] <north> cuz I know the ip associated with my Rpi
[07:24] <north> I won't be knowing it later on...
[07:24] <histo> north: run namp -sP -n subnet as root
[07:24] <nbags> north: so scan the subnet, like i said to begin with
[07:25] <north> histo: that works amazingly
[07:25] <north> :)
[07:25] <north> Thanks a ton histo
[07:25] <nbags> north: so long as your network admins are ok with that.
[07:25] <histo> north: that will only work if you run nmap on a local network. You can do this remotely
[07:25] <histo> should say on the subnet if you are connected to it instead of local
[07:26] <histo> north: Why not have the rpi call home?
[07:26] <north> sorry ? didn't get that @ histo
[07:26] <north> ?
[07:26] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Just checked and that looks correct
[07:26] <NonaSuomi> Thought it was EXFAT, but apparently not
[07:26] <north> rpi call home ? histo
[07:26] <north> ?
[07:27] <nbags> NonaSuomi: i dont know that much about NTFS. i dont think it supports hard links, not in the way linux does anyway. maybe it has some equivalent. or maybe its corrupted. have you done a chkdsk?
[07:28] <histo> north: have the raspberry pi ssh back to you instead of you looking for it.
[07:28] <north> I told you... my Rpi is headleass...
[07:28] <NonaSuomi> nbags: This sounds stupid to say, but no. I haven't seen any reports of errors, so I didn't think to.
[07:28] <north> histo my rpi is headless
[07:29] <llutz> north: cron exists
[07:29] <north> llutz: how ?
[07:29] <histo> north: It doesn't matter that it's headless stop telling me that. I know already
[07:29] <llutz> north: cron job checking network ,if yes, establish reverse ssh-tunnel
[07:30] <north> ooh ok. llutz
[07:30] <llutz> well, check for tunnels already existing too
[07:30] <histo> north: find some instructions for reverse ssh
[07:31] <north> sure.... I almost forgot about reverse ssh.... @ histo and llutz
[07:32] <nbags> NonaSuomi: i would still chkdsk it on windows regularly. I find NTFS is not super robust if you regularly uncleanly dismount it. sometimes the MFT slowely gets corrupted then you're screwed ...
[07:35] <nbags> north: or install a dyndns client if the rpi has an internet connection
[07:36] <Nakkel> Hi, I'm running 13.04 on HP 6735b with ATI RS780M and can't get the open drivers to work.
[07:36] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Well this sucks. The machine it's plugged into is just serving it as a SMB share, no Windows install. I'm still pretty sure it's exFAT, not vanilla NTFS, and I don't think I have the space to copy everything off for a total wipe/reformat...
[07:37] <NonaSuomi> So it looks like I may be hosed
[07:37] <Nakkel> Any options other than downgrading X and using legacy fglrx drivers?
[07:37] <histo> Nakkel: yeah installing the drivers from amd
[07:37] <histo> NonaSuomi: what is the problem?
[07:37] <nbags> NonaSuomi: u would need to dismount it. then you could fsck it with linux. (i think ... never used exfat). but if its ntfs dont fsck it with linux, plug into a windows box
[07:38] <Nakkel> histo: RS780M isnt supported by the current fglrx.
[07:38] <Nakkel> histo: And legacy drivers dont work on current X.
[07:39] <NonaSuomi> histo: I've got two directories on a drive acting as if they are linked, but readlink indicates that neither one is a link.
[07:40] <NonaSuomi> nbags: As I understand, exFAT is a proprietary MS format, so I'm iffy about trying to use anything that doesn't play nice with NTFS
[07:42] <nbags> NonaSuomi: readlink will only work on linux filesystems i think
[07:42] <NonaSuomi> Oh, well that would certainly explain that.
[07:43] <nbags> NonaSuomi: it sounds like it could be corrupted. i would plug it into windows and chkdsk. if you care about your data....
[07:44] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Yeah, I think I'm going to do that.  NooooOOoooo!
[07:45] <histo> nbags: exFAT
[07:45] <nbags> NonaSuomi: you are running exFAT on a 2TB drive? NooooOOoooo!
[07:45] <NonaSuomi> nbags: Yeah, well when I got the thing I was using Win7, and there aren't too many options in Windows for partitioning huge drives.
[07:46] <histo> NonaSuomi: sure there are.
[07:46] <nbags> NonaSuomi: still i would use ntfs over exfat ... but surely its worth reformatting it to ext4 or btrfs for speed and reliability
[07:47] <NonaSuomi> Huh, I could have sworn it didn't let me use anything but FAT, NTFS, or exFAT when I formatted with Win7's tool
[07:47] <histo> NonaSuomi: you can add ext3 support to windows
[07:48] <nbags> histo: i dunno if you can make filesystems with it though
[07:48] <nbags> or whether you would risk it
[07:49] <histo> NonaSuomi: basically use a sane filesystem that works for you
[07:50] <NonaSuomi> nbags: I would, but I still may need/want to use the drive on Windows machines later.
[07:51] <chaotix> hello.  i am using ubuntu 13.04 64 bit.  i have kolourpaint4 installed on my computer..  it has been working fine...  all of a sudden it keeps crashing, wont let me save anything, and is being just generally weird..  i think it may have been after installing steam...  any ideas?
[07:52] <chaotix> should i uninstall and reinstall kolourpaint?
[07:52] <nbags> still exfat is based on really ancient technology.  ntfs would probably be a better option. maybe windows  can convert exfat to ntfs?
[07:53] <chaotix> ok i am going to just try to un/reinstall
[07:53] <chaotix> fingers crossed
[07:53] <NonaSuomi> nbags: I'm not sure if it can do that, but I'll certainly check. Also are you sure you're not talking about the older FATxx filesystems. As I understand it, MS made it up themselves and it shares more in common with NTFS than traditional FAT systems
[07:54] <NonaSuomi> But again, I could be completely misinformed
[07:54] <nbags> NonaSuomi: i dont really know i just looked at the wikipedia page. either way support in linux is a lot less mature than that of ntfs
[07:54] <nbags> "Unlike NTFS, exFAT cannot pre-allocate disk space for a file by just marking arbitrary space on disk as 'allocated'. As in FAT, when creating a file of known length, exFAT must perform a complete physical write equal to the size of the file."
[07:54] <nbags> sounds pretty backwards
[07:55] <chaotix> nope, un/reinstalling did nothing
[07:55] <chaotix> it is still crashing
[07:55] <chaotix> i dont know what to do
[07:55] <chaotix> anyone??
[07:55] <nbags> I think MS just hacked up FAT to support bigger disks and such and to break Mac/Linux support
[07:55] <nbags> "Timestamp granularity of 10 ms (same as in FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 for creation time, but not as fine as NTFS's 100 ns"
[07:56] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, a remove leaves the config you would want to run a purge, although I'm not sure this is you answer overall.
[07:56] <chaotix> can someone kick n0o for pm-ing me with sexual stuff?
[07:56] <chaotix> wilee-nilee, thanks
[07:56] <chaotix> i will try that
[07:57] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, Save the info and tell #freenode
[07:58] <hillwellwang> hello,I have got a problem ,how can I input EOF in a terminal in linux
[07:58] <chaotix> wilee-nilee, how do i tell freenode?
[07:58] <histo> hillwellwang: you just type it or hit ctrl+d
[07:58] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, by going to the channel /j #freenode
[07:58] <ObrienDave> chaotix==> report on #freenode channel
[07:58] <hillwellwang> got it
[07:59] <wilee-nilee> chaotix, You can also block PM completely and per users.
[08:02] <DCE25ESK> http://www.upload.ee/files/3425921/0789018632.Routledge.Handbook.of.the.Medical.Consequences.of.Alcohol.and.Drug.Abuse.Dec.2003.pdf.html
[08:03] <bazhang> !ot | DCE25ESK
[08:12] <Faux> I have an intel wifi card, supported by the kernel, but it won't take an essid from networkmanager/iwconfig: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.  Card is fine as it scans.  Any guesses?  Details: http://pastie.org/8112187
[08:13] <nbags> Faux: i think you just need to be root
[08:14] <nbags> Faux: oh, you've aliased s=sudo. thats dodgy ...
[08:14] <occ> does ubuntu have touchscreen support? there are some new laptops with touchscreens and i3 cpus, so they appear to be x86
[08:16] <Faux> nbags: Oops.  Yeah, I have a few aliases.  For a permissions problem, it actually gives a subtly different error message; operation not permitted, which is what the majority of the internet seems to be getting.
[08:17] <ObrienDave> occ==> there is an Ubuntu Touch version, i believe
[08:18] <nbags> Faux: yeah ive seen that before when hardware doesnt support particular commands. some cards just dont work with iwconfig and network-manager or whatever uses some other mechanism
[08:18] <becom33> I'm runing ubuntu 12.04 I want to share my folders with my other machine in the network . most of them are windows machines also . Im runing a apache locally non of the other machines in the network can get access to my apache or ftp sever . what could be the issue
[08:19] <becom33> ?
[08:19] <Faux> nbags: I was kind of hoping that an in-tree driver/module would support the standard commands.  The worst thing is I could've sworn it worked before.  Maybe I should go find a really old kernel and try that.
[08:19] <ObrienDave> occ==> Ubuntu Touch is NOT an official release yet
[08:20] <nbags> Faux: there are some packages which have backported wireless modules from newer kernels. not sure if that was a debian thing or an ubuntu thing. sounds like an ubuntu thing
[08:21] <ObrienDave> occ==> and it is aimed at phones/tablets, i believe
[08:21] <nbags> Faux: linux-backports-wireless-modules
[08:22] <nbags> or something ...
[08:23] <Faux> Seems like it's an ubuntu thing, but there's barely anywhere to backport the modules /from/, as I'm on modern 3.8.
[08:23] <hamvocke> hi there, I'm having some trouble with the wifi signal strength with my Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 network adapter. I am able to connect to my wireless network, the signal is extremely low, though. Even when I'm sitting next to the wifi router I only get about 60% signal strength
[08:23] <hamvocke> I've already read  that this might be some trouble with intel's wifi drivers and that I should disable the usage of the n mode on my network adapter
[08:23] <nbags> Faux: ah. maybe try an older kernel?
[08:23] <Faux> Well, that answers the question as to whether the module works at all. ;)  What kernel, hamvocke?
[08:24] <becom33> ??
[08:24] <hamvocke> but the suggested solutions like "modprobe -rfv iwlwifi" only states that the module iwlwifi is in use and cannot be disabled
[08:24] <hamvocke> Faux: 3.8.0-25-generic
[08:24] <Faux> Damn. :)
[08:25] <hamvocke> this seems to be a common problem with intel's wifi adapters. at least i've found several threads on askubuntu and similar forums
[08:26] <hamvocke> everyone seems to be lucky with using rmmod iwlwifi, but if I try to use that command, I only get the error message, that the module is currently in use
[08:27] <hamvocke> furthermore it startles me that I need to disable the n mode of my wifi adapter since I don't want to be stuck on using only b or g wifi :)
[08:27] <varunendra> hamvocke, rmmod is not recommended unless you are sure what you are doing
[08:27] <nbags> hamvocke: try modprobe -r instead of rmmod
[08:27] <histo> hamvocke: you're using sudo ofcourse?
[08:27] <hamvocke> varunendra: wouldn't a restart simply return my system to the old state?
[08:27] <hamvocke> nbags: will give it a try
[08:28] <hamvocke> histo: sure :)
[08:28] <varunendra> hamvocke, what is the problem? Just the signal being "appearing" low, or slow speed as well?
[08:28] <hamvocke> nbags: Error message remains the same: "FATAL: Module iwlwifi is in use"
[08:28] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[08:28] <nbags> hamvocke: does ifconfig show it as up?
[08:29] <nbags> might need to bring it down first
[08:29] <hamvocke> varunendra: the signal is dropping if I am at some distance to the router as well
[08:29] <nbags> or kill network-manager
[08:29] <nbags> or something
[08:29] <hamvocke> this distance however is incredibly low. Like one room away from my router where all my other devices almost have full signal
[08:30] <hamvocke> nbags: will I lose my network connection as soon as I kill network manager?
[08:30] <histo> hamvocke: yes
[08:31] <histo> hamvocke: you would as soon as you remove the module as well
[08:31] <varunendra> hamvocke, how are the speeds at different distances? The modprobe -rfv command is not a solution in itself by the way, just the first step to it.
[08:32] <hamvocke> histo: would I be able to connect to my wifi at all without this module? will it just disable the n mode for my wifi adapter or switch it off entirely?
[08:32] <nbags> hamvocke: rmmod or modprobe -r will disable it
[08:32] <Faux> nbags: Mmm, doesn't work on the actual original -19 raring kernel either, and loads of other things are worse. :(
[08:32] <hamvocke> varunendra: the speed is pretty slow at a further distance. If I'm sitting next to the router it's fine
[08:32] <histo> hamvocke: no
[08:33] <nbags> hamvocke: presumably you are removing the module so you can then reinstall it will different parameters?
[08:33] <histo> hamvocke: are you sure this is a module/driver issue?
[08:33] <varunendra> hamvocke, please follow this post and post back the pastebin link to the report it asks to generate : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12350385
[08:33] <nbags> Faux: what about the original kernel with the backported module?
[08:34] <nbags> Faux: maybe you are on the wrong track - maybe the driver doesnt support iwconfig at all and you are missing something else network manager needs.
[08:35] <hamvocke> nbags: the solutions in the threads I've found all say that I should try to disable the module via modprobe / rmmod and then check whether it's successful. If so, I should alter my iwlwifi.conf in /etc/modprobe.d and write "options iwlwifi 11n disable=1" in there
[08:36] <nbags> hamvocke: ok you can do that without doing any rmmod or modprobe -r. just make the change then reboot
[08:36] <varunendra> hamvocke, sometimes the "swcrypto=1" parameter is sufficient for this driver.
[08:36] <hamvocke> nbags: I've done so yesterday. Upon restarting I couldn't connect to my wifi at all
[08:36] <hamvocke> that was the point where I figured out I needed some further help :)
[08:36] <nbags> hamvocke: is your router configured right? to support g and n?
[08:37] <hamvocke> nbags: yes, it is
[08:37] <Faux> nbags: Urgh.
[08:37] <nbags> hamvocke: its weird that options iwlwifi 11n disable=1 would kill your wifi completely, if your AP also supports G. did you check for errors in dmesg when you did this?
[08:38] <varunendra> nbags, 11n disable??
[08:38] <hamvocke> nbags: no, I did not check dmesg as far as i remember
[08:38] <varunendra> or 11n_disable
[08:38] <hamvocke> varunendra: here's my wireless-info: http://pastebin.com/wM0XLCKa
[08:39] <nbags> varunendra: im just copying what hamvocke wrote earlier
[08:39] <hamvocke> nbags: that could be the problem. Maybe it was a typo in my config file
[08:39] <varunendra> nbags, that's why I suspect, although in that case the parameter will just be ignored.
[08:40] <nbags> hamvocke: what tool produced that output? its nice :)
[08:40] <hamvocke> just checked: I really did write "options iwlwifi 11n disable" in my iwlwifi.conf yesterday
[08:40] <nbags> hamvocke: when you change the parameter you should run that tool again
[08:40] <hamvocke> nbags: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2082305&p=12350385#post12350385
[08:40] <varunendra> hamvocke, first suggestion - try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off"
[08:40] <hamvocke> varunendra: that will disable the power management, right?
[08:41] <varunendra> hamvocke, correct !
[08:41] <hamvocke> I think I've tried that yesterday with no success, but I'll give it another try
[08:42] <varunendra> hamvocke, also, the iwlwifi is being used by yet another driver - iwldvm, so you need to modprobe -r that one...
[08:42] <nbags> hamvocke: yeah if you remove iwldvm you should be able to change parameters without a reboot
[08:42] <hamvocke> varunendra: I've tried around with that options as well yesterday. Disabled iwldvm and iwlwifi and afterwards I couldn't connect to my wifi at all
[08:43] <hamvocke> but let me try it again. try modprobe -r on iwlwifi and iwldvm again and will report back
[08:43] <varunendra> hamvocke, the biggest problem (IMHO), you are using WPA/WPA2 mixed mode. That is absolutely not recommended. Change it to WPA2-PSK (AES) only, no mixed mode, no TKIP.
[08:43] <hamvocke> does it make sense to run that wireless-info script again as soon as I've disabled them?
[08:44] <hamvocke> varunendra: is that something I need to set on my router or on my device's wifi adapter?
[08:44] <nbags> hamvocke: no. disable, then reenable with the 11n parameter and power management parameter. then rerun the tool
[08:44] <moksud_xp> hello
[08:44] <varunendra> hamvocke, yes, that needs to be set in the router.
[08:44] <nbags> hamvocke: you need to change the parameter then modprobe the modules again
[08:44] <moksud_xp> I had a problem during the installation of a GUI on my ubuntu server version
[08:45] <hamvocke> nbags: how do I reenable it? and changing the parameter takes place in my iwlwifi.conf, right?
[08:45] <nbags> hamvocke: in /etc/modprobe.d?
[08:45] <histo> !details | moksud_xp
[08:45] <hamvocke> nbags: yes
[08:45] <moksud_xp> I have a problem with the execution of this code: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:46] <nbags> hamvocke: so once you 'modprobe -r iwlwifi', change the parameter then 'modprobe iwlwifi'
[08:46] <histo> moksud_xp: what is the problem?
[08:46] <ObrienDave> moksud_xp==> make it read sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:46] <nbags> hamvocke: the modprobe -r basically unloads the driver. then you need to reload it with the new parameters
[08:46] <moksud_xp> I have ubuntu 13.04 server version without a GUI, Ubuntu tells me "W:Impossible to recover http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/distr/raring-backports/main/i18n/translationit-IT
[08:46] <hamvocke> nbags: great. thank you
[08:47] <hamvocke> I'll give it a try and report back in a few minutes. Thank you very much for your help so far
[08:47] <moksud_xp> "There was a undefined problem with the resolution of "it.archive.ubuntu.com:http"(-11 - System Error)
[08:50] <moksud_xp> there is some resolution to my problem ?
[08:54] <moksud_xp> there is someone that can help me with this problem please ?
[08:54] <moksud_xp> #ubuntu-it
[08:54] <varunendra> moksud_xp, have you tried to change the server to the main one insted of "it" (Italy??)
[08:54] <hamvocke> alright, I've done following steps:
[08:55] <hamvocke> 1) modprobe -r iwldvm
[08:55] <hamvocke> 2) modprobe -r iwlwifi
[08:55] <moksud_xp> how can I change it ?
[08:55] <moksud_xp> I don't have a GUI.... I had this problem when trying to install the GUI
[08:55] <hamvocke> 3) altered my /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi config and added the line "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1"
[08:56] <hamvocke> and changed the wifi settings in my router to only use wpa2 instead of wpa/wpa2
[08:56] <hamvocke> here's the new paste: http://pastebin.com/tw6NXByx