[00:34] <wallyworld_> thumper: ?
[01:42] <thumper> wallyworld_: sorry
[01:45] <wallyworld_> thumper: np, chat now?
[01:45] <thumper> sure
[01:45] <axw> anastasiamac: re http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/, I was looking at spot instances - I see it says unspecified in the on-demand section as you said
[01:45] <axw> weird
[01:50] <anastasiamac> axw: yes, if you look at sao paolo region, it shriks the list of supported instances
[01:50] <anastasiamac> axw: i deduced that frankfurt *could* have the types marked as **unspecified**
[01:51] <anastasiamac> axw: but m happy to let it rest for now
[01:52] <anastasiamac> axw: :D it's amazing what an effect a small change can have :))
[01:52] <axw> :)
[01:56] <ericsnow> could someone spare me a review on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1094/
[01:56] <ericsnow> it un-reverts an earlier patch and adds logging
[01:56] <ericsnow> it will help me sort out the vivid issues
[01:59] <anastasiamac> ericsnow: *un-reverts*? u must b having soo much fun :D
[02:00] <ericsnow> anastasiamac: imagine bamboo and fingernails
[02:05] <axw> katco: are you still around? did you have anything more to say on the remaining open points on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1071/ ?
[02:19] <wallyworld_> axw: free whenever you are
[02:19] <axw> wallyworld_: omw
[08:21] <mattyw> axw, ping?
[08:22] <axw> mattyw: pong
[09:04] <TheMue> morning o/
[09:09] <menn0> dimitern: ping
[09:12] <dimitern> menn0, pong
[09:13] <menn0> dimitern: did you see that email about issues with using MongoDB unique indexes with mgo/txn?
[09:14] <dimitern> menn0, probably, but can you remind me the gist?
[09:14] <menn0> dimitern: basically you can't really use mgo/txn with a unique index
[09:15] <menn0> dimitern: if there's a unique index collision, the txn will appear to have worked (no error returned)
[09:15] <dimitern> menn0, because it returns nil on violation?
[09:15] <menn0> dimitern: but the insert into the collection with index fails, and any other ops succeed
[09:15] <menn0> dimitern: so you end up with partial application
[09:16] <dimitern> menn0, yeah, nasty
[09:16] <menn0> dimitern: I mention it to you because there's a bunch of networking related collections in Juju with unique indexes
[09:16] <menn0> dimitern: there's 2 ways around it
[09:17] <menn0> dimitern: 1. check for the failed insert afterwards and clean up any docs in other collections that shouldn't have been inserted
[09:17] <dimitern> menn0, have you looked at the code that handles the nil result?
[09:18] <menn0> dimitern: 2. introduce another collection which has docs which have the index key as the _id and Assert on that as part of the txn (instead of using a unique index)
[09:18] <menn0> dimitern: the code where?
[09:18] <dimitern> menn0, ok, these pointers are good to know, thank you
[09:19] <menn0> dimitern: there's a simple example linked to from the email (see the quoted bit at the bottom of Gustavo's reply)
[09:19] <dimitern> menn0, but so far I think the only place we're using unique indexes are for networks
[09:21] <dimitern> menn0, and they are handled correctly - check AddNetwork and AddNetworkInterface
[09:21] <menn0> dimitern: I hadn't checked the networking code. I just saw the indexes there and figured that this situation might not have been handled.
[09:22] <menn0> dimitern: looks like you guys already knew about this.
[09:22] <menn0> dimitern: we're probably going to go with option 2 for the case where Jesse ran into this today (not allowing multiple envs with the same name for a single owner)
[09:23] <menn0> dimitern: (a separate collection which tracks the uniqueness constraint)
[09:23] <dimitern> menn0, what I wasn't quite aware of is that just the insert fails, and to watch out for partially succeeded ops in other collections
[09:24] <menn0> dimitern: yeah, it's pretty subtle
[09:24] <menn0> dimitern: i've looked at the mgo/txn code in question and see why this happens.
[09:24] <menn0> dimitern: mongodb doesn't return specific enough error codes for it to be able to handle this any better
[09:25] <dimitern> menn0, even more recent versions of mongo?
[09:26] <menn0> dimitern: yeah. i don't think this has been fixed. basically "document already exists" and "index unique violation" are returned as the same error (and they kind of are if you think about it). but mgo/txn needs to know the difference.
[09:26] <menn0> brb
[09:28] <dimitern> I see :/
[09:32] <menn0> dimitern: so anyway, now you know :)
[09:32] <menn0> dimitern: AddNetworkInterface is fine because although it involves several collections, it only inserts into one
[09:33] <menn0> dimitern: AddNetowork is fine too because it only involves one collection.
[09:34] <dimitern> menn0, ok, thanks for checking, and I'll keep that in mind for other of our cases - should we need unique indexes
[09:34] <menn0> dimitern: kk
[10:23] <TheMue> dimitern: dooferlad: thx, test works now
[10:24] <dimitern> TheMue, o/o
[10:24] <dimitern> TheMue, \o/ even :)
[10:25] <TheMue> dimitern: *lol*
[10:28] <mattyw> davecheney, ping?
[10:33] <dimitern> mattyw, hey there - have you seen my review of 994?
[10:34] <mattyw> dimitern, I have - thank you very much, I'm mid changes at the moment, will be pinging when I'm done
[10:34] <dimitern> mattyw, cheers
[10:36] <mattyw> dimitern, thanks for taking a look - and thanks for the comments, all good stuff
[10:36] <dimitern> mattyw, no worries - I'm happy to see the proposal improved considerably
[10:37] <mattyw> dimitern, +1k
[10:55] <dimitern> dooferlad, here's my branch - https://github.com/dimitern/juju/tree/container-addressability-fixes I've just confirmed with those changes and lxc-clone: false I successfully deployed 2 nodes with 2 containers each, and was able to do juju ssh x/lxc/y where x and y are [0,1] on EC2
[11:10]  * dimitern steps out for ~1h
[11:57]  * TheMue -> lunch
[13:30] <dimitern> dooferlad, ping
[13:31] <dooferlad> dimitern: hi
[13:31] <dimitern> dooferlad, I've discovered a disturbing issue
[13:31] <dooferlad> dimitern: ?
[13:32] <dimitern> dooferlad, both with lxc-clone: true and false and the changes in my branch I sent you earlier, I successfully live tested a scenario on EC2
[13:32] <dooferlad> and that is bad?
[13:32] <dimitern> dooferlad, and was able to do juju ssh 0/lxc/0 (or any other container for that matter)
[13:32] <perrito666> morning
[13:33] <dimitern> dooferlad, the bad part is, I left the lxc-clone: true env sitting around while I was out and now trying juju ssh 0/lxc/0 fails
[13:33] <dooferlad> dimitern: so it did work, you left it alone, it didn't
[13:34] <dimitern> dooferlad, so something happened in the mean time - juju status shows all units are running, no issues
[13:34] <dooferlad> dimitern: so it did work, you left it alone, now it doesn't?
[13:34] <dimitern> dooferlad, yes
[13:34] <dimitern> dooferlad, I'm investigating
[14:23] <dimitern> dooferlad, I think the issue comes from dnsmasq configured by lxc to issue dhcp addresses for containers and renew them hourly
[14:25] <dimitern> in the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 range
[14:33] <perrito666> natefinch: ?
[14:43] <ericsnow> could someone spare me a review on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1094/
[14:44] <ericsnow> ericsnow: it's pretty basic
[14:44] <jw4> talking to yourself again ericsnow ?
[14:44] <ericsnow> jw4: hey, you're not part of this conversation <wink>
[14:44] <jw4> hqhq
[14:45] <jw4> haha even
[14:45]  * ericsnow goes back to using his quiet voice
[14:50] <natefinch> perrito666: sorry, gotta fix a dumb bug I introduced
[14:50] <perrito666> np
[14:51] <jw4> ericsnow, presumably that PR has been reviewed a few times? Are you just looking for a graduated approver to say shipit?
[14:51] <ericsnow> jw4: noone has looked at it :(
[14:51] <jw4> ericsnow, it *is* a little daunting
[14:51] <ericsnow> jw4: regardless, I'll need some authority to get it landed :)
[14:52] <ericsnow> jw4: the un-revert part was already reviewed and merged last week
[14:52] <jw4> bamboo? fingernails?
[14:52] <ericsnow> ericsnow: I suppose it would be simpler if I split the patch in two
[14:53]  * ericsnow mumbles to self
[14:53] <ericsnow> jw4: ^^^
[14:53] <jw4> hehehe
[14:53] <ericsnow> jw4: the torture reference was about getting the vivid stuff sorted out
[14:54] <jw4> oh, I thought it was related to un-reverting and assumed it was the same one
[14:54] <ericsnow> jw4: it's been a real pain because I don't have a local vivd host with which to test
[14:54] <jw4> Yeah, I got a utopic vm, but no vivid yet
[14:55] <ericsnow> jw4: oh, just a VM isn't sufficient :(
[14:55] <ericsnow> jw4: vivid and containers still have issues when the host isn't vivid
[14:55] <jw4> ericsnow, really?  That's interesting
[14:56] <ericsnow> jw4: that's one word for it :P
[14:56]  * jw4 whispers - I do all my development in a hyper-v instance
[14:57] <ericsnow> jw4: you have all the answers, don't you? <wink>
[14:57] <jw4> hehe
[14:58] <ericsnow> jw4: is the performance of hyper-v good?
[14:58] <ericsnow> jw4: LXC is pretty fast and light
[14:58] <jw4> It seems pretty fast to me
[14:59] <ericsnow> jw4: cool
[14:59] <ericsnow> jw4: I'll have to look into that
[14:59] <jw4> it's hard to compare across hardware, but it handily outperforms native ubuntu on my early 2011 macbook pro with SSD and 16GB ram
[15:01] <jw4> the full test suite runs in about 15 minutes for me, and it's on a i7 dell optiplex from 2011 too
[15:06] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: ping
[15:06] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: coming
[15:27] <mbruzek> davecheney: ping
[15:36] <TheMue> Anybody interested in doing a review? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1096/
[15:39] <dimitern> TheMue, I'm on it, but keep getting distracted; should finish it soon though
[15:39] <alexisb> mbruzek, davecheney is probably sleeping
[15:40] <TheMue> dimitern: fine, thanks
[15:40] <alexisb> is there something someone else on the team can help with?
[15:40] <TheMue> dimitern: doesn't hurry, I'm on the next one. ;)
[15:40] <dimitern> alexisb, well, dooferlad is actually OCR today
[15:40] <dimitern> dooferlad, it wouldn't hurt to have a look as well
[15:41] <dooferlad> dimitern: on it
[15:41] <dimitern> dooferlad, cheers!
[15:52] <dooferlad> TheMue: My non-expert opinion is that it looks fine!
[15:53] <TheMue> dooferlad: thanks, and don't hide your light under a bushel
[16:00] <mbruzek> alexisb: I need some go help was davecheney is the person to talk with about that.  I have an email out to natefinch and katco about my question.
[16:01] <natefinch> mbruzek: yeah, sorry, meant to respond to you last night
[16:01] <alexisb> mbruzek, dave is our resident gccgo expert
[16:01] <alexisb> mbruzek, you can send him mail if it is not urgent, but he will be out for his weekend atm
[16:02] <mbruzek> alexisb:  it is not urgent.   I am sure Nate or Katherine can help
[16:02] <alexisb> mbruzek, natefinch is currently on a critical task
[16:03] <alexisb> mbruzek, can you forward me th email so I can help facilitate
[16:03] <mbruzek> alexisb: OK stand down natefinch, I will email davecheney and you
[16:03] <alexisb> thanks mbruzek
[16:03] <natefinch> mbruzek: my off the cuff response is - don't install go, just deploy a binary, but I doubt you'll like that answer :)
[16:04] <natefinch> (but it's sort of the whole point of writing anything in Go in the first place)
[16:05] <mbruzek> natefinch: It doesn't matter if I like it or not if that is your answer.  I don't know how that would survive bit rot, but yeah don't worry about it, do you critical task
[16:10] <natefinch> Oh wow, this joyent test is totally fubared
[16:11] <natefinch> (sorry alexisb, this is also a critical fix)
[16:11] <alexisb> natefinch, yep I see it
[16:22] <natefinch> who sets environment variables in table driven tests and then doesn't clear them out before the next test in the table? :/
[16:33] <natefinch> Evidently wallyworld_ , that's who :)
[16:35] <natefinch> ericsnow, perrito666, TheMue, wwitzel3:  can someone review this fix to a critical regression? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1098/diff/#
[16:35] <ericsnow> natefinch: ah, my old enemy, table-driven tests
[16:35] <natefinch> very small fix
[16:36] <natefinch> ericsnow: yeah.... I like them, but they're easy to abuse
[16:36] <ericsnow> natefinch: I just used them for systemd to great effect (because they were a good fit)
[16:42] <TheMue> natefinch: done
[16:42] <ericsnow> natefinch: done
[16:42] <TheMue> ericsnow: h5
[16:46] <ericsnow> TheMue: :)
[16:50] <dimitern> TheMue, you have a review
[16:50] <dooferlad> TheMue / dimitern: could you point me to where we construct the libvirt domain XML? We seem to have no network defined for kvm
[16:51] <TheMue> dimitern: thanks and good hint, I like it
[16:51] <natefinch> whoever told me to write a test that fails before I write a bugfix was a genius.  I would have wasted so much time over my career if I didn't do that.
[16:52] <ericsnow> natefinch: :)
[16:53] <dimitern> TheMue, np :)
[16:53] <natefinch> that's how I found that missing defer os.SetEnv(k, "").  I wrote a test that should have failed... and it didn't.
[16:53] <dimitern> dooferlad, we use uvt-kvm for that, which I believe creates the XML for us (or uses virsh underneath or something)
[16:53] <TheMue> natefinch: hehe, currently doing the same with my actual fix. first a test to simulate the failure and then change to remove it again
[16:53] <dooferlad> dimitern: just found that :-)
[16:54] <dooferlad> dimitern: typical, spend 10 minutes looking, go for tea, come back, ask on IRC and it just pops up in front of me.
[16:54] <dimitern> :D
[16:57] <perrito666> meh non capturin groups are not something to be found in grep regexes?
[17:00] <mgz> you can always use grep -P
[17:01] <perrito666> mgz: I am actually using supercat
[17:01] <perrito666> to color my tests output so I can make more sense of them
[17:02] <perrito666> but I try to use a non capturing group to make a match of json dicts
[17:02] <perrito666> and it tells me that its not a valid syntax
[17:02] <mgz> well, generic answer then is yeah, not all regexp dialects support non-capturing groups
[17:02]  * perrito666 cries
[17:05] <natefinch> perrito666: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27242652/colorizing-golang-test-run-output
[17:06] <natefinch> perrito666: also: http://bit.ly/1A4eY7v
[17:09] <perrito666> natefinch: trust me youll like what I am doing
[17:09] <perrito666> :D, it mostly colorizes the output of the logs between test failures
[17:09] <perrito666> I donr really care for tsts when they pass
[17:11] <natefinch> perrito666: also: https://github.com/natefinch/nolog
[17:13] <marcoceppi> xwwt__: abentley: why isn't this marked as a regression? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1424069
[17:13] <mup> Bug #1424069: juju resolve doesn't recognize error state <resolved> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424069>
[17:14] <marcoceppi> alexisb: ^
[17:14]  * marcoceppi is trying to figure out what constitutes a critcal bug vs a high bug
[17:15] <perrito666> natefinch: mgz this is the kind of output I am getting http://www.webdevout.net/test?01MH
[17:15] <abentley> marcoceppi: I agree, it looks like a regression to me.  Curtis did the triage, but unfortunately, he's out today.
[17:17] <marcoceppi> abentley: cool, it's making our testing of actions in trunk a bit difficult
[17:18] <xwwt__> abentley: Looks like the inline comments issues are important, but were deprioritized to work on git.  Sounds like they will be added back to the list.
[17:18] <abentley> marcoceppi: We don't have any functional tests of "resolve", but maybe we should.
[17:18] <natefinch> perrito666: you could modify the code in my nolog application to change the output to include color
[17:18] <marcoceppi> abentley: O
[17:18] <marcoceppi> abentley: I'd argue there should be, but I'm biased ;)
[17:19] <mgz> marcoceppi: the bug was just confused by the report/unreport/report cycle
[17:19] <marcoceppi> it's still an issue in trunk fwiw
[17:19] <perrito666> natefinch: you have a severe case of NIH
[17:19] <perrito666> natefinch: although I might
[17:20] <natefinch> perrito666: I have a severe case of wanting to use a real programming language to write applications
[17:20] <abentley> marcoceppi: We (Juju QA) only functionally test a few commands: bootstrap, deploy, upgrade-juju, add-relation, backup, restore, ensure-ha.  The bulk of tests are juju-core's unit tests.
[17:20] <marcoceppi> abentley: makes sense
[17:21] <marcoceppi> abentley: is there liek a repo of the functional tests?
[17:21] <abentley> marcoceppi: All our testing stuff is in lp:juju-ci-tools
[17:22] <marcoceppi> abentley: cool
[17:22] <perrito666> natefinch: I am pretty sure supercat is written in a real programming language, I just configured it
[17:24] <perrito666> natefinch: its in C, which beats go in what refers to "real programming language" ;)
[18:09] <ericsnow> cmars: thanks for your help
[18:20] <cmars> ericsnow, de nada
[18:54] <jw4> perrito666, the first few pages of google on 'supercat' don't seem relevant ...
[18:57] <perrito666> jw4: yes, anything with cat on the name sucks for googling
[18:57] <perrito666> jw4: man supercat
[18:57] <perrito666> no man spc
[18:57] <jw4> ah
[18:58] <jw4> apt search supercat wasn't helpful either - I should have thought of the actual command name in your snippet
[18:59] <perrito666> jw4: seems to be a rather old tool
[19:00] <jw4> hmm apt-get install supercat worked now cool
[19:01] <perrito666> well it seems supercat was too much for him :p
[19:57] <natefinch> crap, how did I manage to disable my scroll wheel in my editor? :/
[19:59] <perrito666> you are a talented person
[20:08]  * natefinch reboots... can't function w/o scroll wheel in editor.
[20:19] <ericsnow> could I get a review on a tiny patch I have up: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1100/
[20:20] <ericsnow> and on an only slightly bigger one: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1099/
[20:25] <natefinch> gah, I hate it when err == nil means something is wrong... it just makes the code so hard to follow.
[20:38] <natefinch> dammit... that feeling when you realize you waited forever for amazon to bootstrap only to realize you forgot --upload-tools
[20:39] <perrito666> natefinch: lool
[20:39] <perrito666> natefinch: I upload my own stream
[20:39] <perrito666> and its all in the ctrl+r :p
[20:47] <marcoceppi> I'm getting a weird error trying to deploy behind a proxy
[20:48] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10552644/
[20:50] <natefinch> marcoceppi: I think that's the 409 error code "Conflict"  no idea why you'd be getting that
[20:51] <natefinch> http 409 error code that is
[20:51] <marcoceppi> right, not idea why I'm getting it or how to get more information
[20:52] <natefinch> try with curl?  It sounds like there's a problem with the proxy
[20:52] <marcoceppi> natefinch: it works on teh local system using wget
[20:52] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10552661/
[20:53] <marcoceppi> ah, there we go
[20:53] <marcoceppi> apparently you have to put the /right/ proxy in the configuration
[20:54] <marcoceppi> when running wget from the bootstrap node, I got this "Proxy tunneling failed: ConflictUnable to establish SSL connection."
[20:56] <marcoceppi> well, now it just hangs, which I guess is progress
[20:57] <natefinch> haha
[20:59] <marcoceppi> blarg
[20:59] <marcoceppi> it's not respecting my proxy port
[21:00] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10552707/
[21:00] <marcoceppi> how have we made it this far without hitting this in other canonical infrastructures
[21:05] <marcoceppi> any suggestions :/
[21:11] <natefinch> marcoceppi: so your proxy is trying to redirect to a different port, too?
[21:11] <marcoceppi> natefinch: it looks like Juju is trying to use port 443
[21:11] <marcoceppi> on the bootstrap node just doing a curl works
[21:11] <natefinch> marcoceppi: it's using 443 because it's HTTPS
[21:12] <marcoceppi> natefinch: but the proxy isn't running on 443, just because 443 is a common convention does not mean it's the sole port that HTTPS traffic operates on
[21:12] <marcoceppi> my https_proxy line defines a port
[21:16] <marcoceppi> natefinch: looking at the unit tests, for config.go, it never tests aproxy address with a port
[21:16]  * marcoceppi tries to patch
[21:17] <marcoceppi> actually Ihave no idea what I'm doing
[21:17] <natefinch> lol
[21:18] <marcoceppi> I didn't think grep "proxy" * would return so many hits
[21:19] <natefinch> I honestly don't know if we're supposed to support changing the port or not.... I mean, it sounds like we don't, obviously
[21:19] <marcoceppi> well everything else does
[21:19] <natefinch> I understand that, and it does seem completely reasonable
[21:20] <marcoceppi> I mean, in canonical we use squid.internal:3128 for http and https, which is why I'm hitting this
[21:20] <marcoceppi> but I'm not sure if that's the acutal issue or if I'm just doing something wrong
[21:21] <natefinch> I don't see anything in the proxy code about ports, so it's likely they just weren't considered
[21:22] <marcoceppi> well it's setting it properly on the host machine, just when consuming it, it seems to do something odd
[21:23] <marcoceppi> I'll report a bug for now
[21:23] <marcoceppi> hum, actually
[21:24] <marcoceppi> that's my bad, the IP address is actually for store.juju.ubuntu.com and not the proxy address
[21:24] <marcoceppi> so something else seems broken
[21:25] <marcoceppi> nvm, it works now
[21:25]  * marcoceppi hangs head in shame
[21:25] <marcoceppi> this is probably a good time to just EOW
[21:26] <natefinch> hasha
[21:26] <natefinch> haha
[21:26] <natefinch> have a good weekend :)
[21:28] <marcoceppi> thanks for entertaining my crazy natefinch o/
[21:28] <ericsnow> natefinch: the releases page updated with your joyent fix: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2420
[21:28] <ericsnow> natefinch: it isn't "blessed" because of unstable joyent substrate
[21:28] <ericsnow> natefinch: coincidence?
[21:29] <natefinch> ericsnow: actually t he joyent tests are passing there, looks like
[21:32] <ericsnow> natefinch: ah, nevermind; looks like it just didn't identify the failing voting test at the top of the page


[12:20] <thierry> I get this when checking linda : Linda: Unable to find a suitable .mo file!
[12:23] <Kyral> thierry: it happened to me as well with EasyChem
[12:34] <thierry> Kyral : ok but what do I do to solve this? add .mo file? but where?
[12:34] <Kyral> hey ogra
[12:34] <Kyral> thierry: I was told its harmless
[12:34] <ogra_ibook> hey Kyral
[12:34] <bmonty> thierry: does the package build and install?
[12:35] <Kyral> not where I was expecting that to come from
[12:36] <ogra_ibook> heh
[12:36] <minghua> hi ogra_ibook
[12:36] <ogra_ibook> hey
[12:37] <minghua> I am suspecting the gnome-cups-add and uim bug you showed me a few days ago is dup of launchpad 5148
[12:37] <minghua> err, malone 5148
[12:38] <minghua> hey, where is our little cute bug bot?
[12:38] <Kyral> dunno
[12:38] <minghua> Ubugtu: malone #5148
[12:38] <crimsun> it's right there.
[12:38] <ogra_ibook> on holiday ?
[12:38] <Kyral> I guess its been tweaked to PMSG the person
[12:38] <minghua> our bug bot /ignores me :-(
[12:38] <Kyral> lol
[12:39] <thierry> bmonty : yep! :)
[12:39] <thierry> bmonty : I reuploading it to REVU, just to make sure
[12:39] <bmonty> thierry: is it a new package or a merge?
[12:39] <ogra_ibook> works in #ubuntu-bugs ;)
[12:40] <thierry> bmonty : new, it's on REVU (but you'll have to wait a few minutes to see the last upload, I just sent it)
[12:41] <Kyral> I see tons of packages being reviewd but not mine lol (Hate to be a pest, but I spent like 6 hours a couple weeks ago fizing all the bugs in it)
[12:42] <thierry> Kyral : don't worry, my one of my two package as been reviewed only once... and haven't been advocated so...
[12:42] <Kyral> thierry: I have 1 vote (that I keep losing because I do trival things to it like uploading it with a new email addy :P)
[12:43] <thierry> bmonty : if you want to review it http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1295
[12:43] <thierry> Kyral : are you a MOTU?
[12:43] <Kyral> thierry: Nope
[12:43] <Kyral> thierry: just a wannabe
[12:43] <thierry> k
[12:47] <thierry> Kyral : the best way to get your package reviewed fast is to poke some MOTU (gently of course), either they will ignore you, or they will take a look
[12:47] <crimsun> try to keep in mind that it's the holidays
[12:47] <Kyral> Yah I know
[12:48] <Kyral> but this thing has been up there for a month ;P
[12:50] <thierry> crimsun : yeah of course it's holyday, we won't be harassing everyone everytime :)
[01:16] <raphink> slomo_: new version of knmap available! All new, all fresh ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1296
[01:17] <raphink> even tested ;)
[02:32] <Seveas> I need a second advocate (and an uploader) for keyboardcast, any MOTU available?
[02:40] <raphink> Seveas: not me :(
[02:46] <raphink> Seveas: I suppose you're not a MOTU yourself
[02:46] <raphink> slomo are you there?
[02:49] <tseng> ajmitch: how is selinux going?
[02:55] <bmonty> Seveas: I think your package is close...just a few tweaks
[03:54] <Burglaptop> anybody part of HardenedUbuntu here?
[03:55] <thierry> how do I find the cflags I'm compiling with...
[04:01] <thierry> ?
[05:57] <zakame> happy holidays!
[06:34] <hub> hi
[06:34] <zakame> heya hub
[06:35] <minghua> hello zakame, hub
[06:35] <zakame> hi minghua
[06:36] <hub> anyone know how to force a rc.d priority for a package?
[06:37] <zakame> er doesn't update-rc.d do that? in the postinst scripts?
[06:38] <hub> I didn't see
[06:38] <hub> I'll look again
[06:38] <hub> update-rc.d does set it
[06:38] <hub> but I want the package to do it
[06:40] <minghua> hub: I just checked postinst script of one package (ntp-server), it calls update-rc.d and sets the priority
[06:40] <hub> minghua: this one use the default rule I think
[06:40] <hub> I'll check
[06:40] <minghua> that's the way I thought it should be
[06:41] <hub> yeah
[06:41] <hub> I was thinking look at a package
[07:08] <Sepheebear> doesnt dh_installinit allow you to set priorities?
[07:09] <Sepheebear> yeah it does: dh_installinit --update-rcd-params=params
[07:11] <hub> ah
[07:11] <hub> then I learned something
[07:11] <hub> I posted the patch anyway
[07:12] <hub> malone 6089
[07:15] <Sepheebear> yeah dh_installinit is pretty nifty
[07:30] <zakame> yes, dh_* is
[07:45] <pef> hello
[07:49] <zakame> hey pef , merry christmas! :)
[07:50] <pef> hello zakame, merry christmas too :)
[09:26] <Seveas> bmonty, i'd appreciate hints :)
[09:26] <Treenaks> Seveas: give up :P
[09:27] <Treenaks> Seveas: on the day before christmas? how nice :\
[09:27] <Seveas> :)
[09:27] <Seveas> *hug*
[09:48] <StevenK> But, first, I suspect I need to actually test it.
[10:08] <siretart> merry xmas!
[01:24] <raphink> hello guys
[01:24] <raphink> hi zakame
[01:25] <zakame> hi raphink , merry christmas!
[01:25] <zakame> 'tis just 4 hours away from here ;)
[01:25] <Yagisan> G'day raphink, zakame
[01:25] <Yagisan> just 35 minutes until christmas here
[01:25] <raphink> merry xmas Yagisan && zakame
[01:47] <raphink> hop
[01:47] <raphink> two packages updated :)
[01:49] <zakame> rocking
[01:50] <zakame> just uploaded libbonobouimm1.3 myself :)
[01:50] <raphink> I made my wikipage such that I can easily track down new versions of my packages
[01:50] <raphink> :)
[01:53] <zakame> ooh, the installer's fast nowadays
[01:53] <SloMoSnail> good morning everybody :)
[01:54] <zakame> merry christmas slomo :)
[01:54] <slomo> thanks... you'll get a present soon :) /me prepares liferea 1.0 currently
[01:55] <zakame> slomo: w00t! I <3 liferea
[01:58] <raphink> hi slomo
[01:58] <slomo> hi raphink :)
[01:58] <raphink> slomo: I just uupdated two packages that are already approved in dapper
[01:58] <raphink> do you have some time to look?
[01:59] <slomo> are they already in the archives or stuck in NEW?
[01:59] <raphink> the old versions are already in dapper
[01:59] <raphink> like in the archives
[01:59] <raphink> I unarchived the threads
[01:59] <raphink> and uploaded the new versions
[01:59] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1296 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1296
[01:59] <raphink> oops
[01:59] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1187
[01:59] <raphink> :)
[01:59] <slomo> 1297?
[01:59] <slomo> oh ok ;)
[01:59] <raphink> :)
[02:00] <raphink> knmap improved a lot :)
[02:00] <raphink> and konq-encrypt-menu mostly merged my patches, which is already nice :)
[02:01] <slomo> what other changes did you make except running uupdate? ;)
[02:01] <raphink> updating changelog
[02:01] <raphink> of course
[02:01] <raphink> removing obsolete patches
[02:02] <raphink> after checking their merges
[02:02] <slomo> and dropping of patches? ok... i'll upload them probably after liferea :)
[02:02] <raphink> checking if it still built
[02:02] <raphink> ;)
[02:12] <raphink> slomo: error : new version of konq-encrypt-menu is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1297 not 1296 ;)
[02:30] <zakame> hey thierry
[02:45] <thierry> hey zakame! have you looked at my package? :)
[02:46] <thierry> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1295
[02:48] <zakame> hm, looks good now, lemme build it
[02:49] <thierry> k
[02:49] <thierry> zakame : there's just the linda output that botter me... where should be this .mo file?
[02:52] <zakame> thierry: I've no idea about that myself :(
[02:53] <Hieronymus> thierry: isn't that just a translation file?
[02:54] <zakame> Hieronymus: yes, a gettext-related file, imo
[02:54] <thierry> k
[02:55] <zakame> hm while libfxscintilla1.6 builds, would my good colleague MOTUs revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=929
[02:56] <zakame> ?
[03:00] <zakame> hi ptlo
[03:00] <ptlo> heja zakame
[03:00] <ptlo> what's up?
[03:01] <zakame> ptlo: here checking out thierry 's pkg, and looking for a revu-wer for mine pkg
[03:03] <zakame> wb Sepheebear
[03:03] <zakame> and Seveas
[03:08] <thierry> wb?
[03:09] <zakame> there, libbonobouimm1.3's done, yay!
[03:09] <zakame> thierry: welcome back :)
[03:09] <thierry> ho ok :)
[03:18] <thierry> zakeme : so how's going the build?
[03:19] <zakame> thierry: hm still grabbing the b-ds, I'm on dialup :'(
[03:19] <bmonty> morning guys
[03:19] <zakame> (though I wish Santa would give me broadband soon)
[03:19] <bmonty> zakame: I can upload if you want
[03:20] <zakame> merry christmas bmonty :D
[03:20] <zakame> bmonty: what? my revu pkg?
[03:20] <bmonty> zakame: libfxscintilla
[03:21] <thierry> bmonty : don't upload it, just review it! :D
[03:21] <bmonty> thierry: done
[03:21] <zakame> bmonty: ah, still reviewing
[03:21] <thierry> bmonty : thanks a lot, by the way you could also look at libfxruby1.4 :p
[03:22] <bmonty> thierry: I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning
[03:22] <bmonty> I looked at libfxscintilla last night
[03:23] <thierry> bmonty : k
[03:24] <zakame> bmonty: please check my libmemcache too :P
[03:28] <thierry> bmonty : I prefer tea, since there's more cafeine in tea than in cofee :D
[03:28] <slomo> zakame: your present is in the archives :)
[03:29] <bmonty> thierry: I like the flavor of coffee better
[03:29] <zakame> thierry: hm debian/copyright still doesn't match what's in README
[03:29] <thierry> zakame : ?? wait a minute going to check that
[03:30] <zakame> slomo: oh goodie! thanks! :D
[03:31] <thierry> zakame : I did it to match license.txt wich is different from readme... strange
[03:31] <thierry> zakame : wich one should I put in debian/copyright?
[03:32] <bmonty> thierry: License.txt says that the license for libfxscintilla is in COPYING
[03:32] <zakame> thierry: License.txt is for the original Scintilla software
[03:34] <thierry> bmonty , zakame : ok, I'll do the changes and reupload, could you readvocate after that?
[03:34] <bmonty> yup
[03:35] <zakame> k, just grabbed the b-ds, its now building really
[03:38] <bmonty> odd, for libfxruby, when I try to look at the  package directory in REVU, firefox loads the index.html instead of showing a directory
[03:39] <bmonty> I think there is an apache option that disables that
[03:39] <zakame> indeed
[03:41] <zakame> thierry: great job
[03:42] <zakame> lintian clean indeed
[03:42] <zakame> just the minor gripe with debian/copyright , better fix that before elmo sees ;)
[03:43] <thierry> zakame : fixed, just rebuilding to reupload :)
[03:43] <zakame> rocking
[03:43] <thierry> zakame , bmonty : I'll tell you when it's going to be uploaded
[03:43] <raphink> slomo: if you ever have the time to check the packages, that'd be great ;)
[03:43] <raphink> or zakame ;)
[03:44] <zakame> wow we're 80 new, 183 accepted merges... rock on ppl! :D
[03:44] <zakame> raphink: sure! :) Merry Christmas too!
[03:45] <raphink> merry xmas zakame
[03:45] <raphink> zakame: dapper is gonna rock :)
[03:45] <raphink> & roll
[03:45] <zakame> indeed
[03:46] <raphink> go dapper go :)
[03:48] <thierry> zakame : where can I find the new fsf adress?
[03:48] <xhaker> go eclipse merge go
[03:48] <xhaker> anjuta patch go
[03:49] <raphink> zakame: so you have time to check two of my updated packages ?
[03:49] <thierry> zakame : forget it, got it
[03:49] <raphink> zakame: they are just updates for packages already included in dapper
[03:49] <zakame> raphink: I'm looking at kalcul right now
[03:49] <raphink> hmm
[03:49] <zakame> thierry: w00t
[03:49] <raphink> zakame: kalcul doesn't build on dapper lately, forget about this one
[03:50] <raphink> zakame: check knmap rather : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1296
[03:50] <zakame> raphink: ok
[03:50] <raphink> :)
[03:50] <raphink> knmap 2.0 is a great work :)
[03:50] <raphink> (I mean the app ;))
[03:52] <alejandro> hi
[03:53] <raphink> hi alejandro
[03:53] <zakame> merry christmas alejandro :)
[03:53] <alejandro> merry christmas zakame too. :-)
[03:54] <alejandro> hi raphink.
[03:54] <raphink> :)
[03:54] <raphink> merry xmas alejandro
[03:54] <alejandro> merry christmas raphink. ;-)
[03:55] <raphink> ty
[03:55] <bmonty> heh, spammers already found motu-reviewers :(
[03:55] <thierry> zakame , bmonty : uploaded http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1298
[03:56] <zakame> indeed :(
[03:57] <zakame> thierry: k
[03:57] <raphink> I don' tsee any spam on motu-reviewers
[03:59] <zakame> there is, unless your mailfilter's seeing it through the list
[04:03] <mhz> alejandro: where are you from?
[04:04] <mhz> zakame: merry xmas
[04:04] <alejandro> mhz, Madrid, Spain, u?
[04:04] <zakame> raphink: I'll check knmap tomorrow, I've some goods to cook ;)
[04:04] <Kyral> Morning
[04:05] <Kyral> Damn forgot to take down my away
[04:05] <zakame> (Xmas is just an hour away now ;)
[04:05] <Kyral> For you ;P
[04:05] <raphink> sure zakame :)
[04:05] <Kyral> You know you are a geek when you XMas list is made up of books from O'Reilly
[04:05] <zakame> wb Kyral
[04:05] <zakame> Merry Christmas Kyral :D
[04:05] <Kyral> In a couple hours
[04:06] <zakame> Kyral: haha indeed
[04:06] <raphink> bye everybody
[04:06] <raphink> and merry xmas
[04:06] <zakame> bye raphink
[04:06] <zakame> gn8
[04:08] <Kyral> GNU Emacs Reference Guide
[04:08] <Kyral> The Linux Cookbook
[04:08] <Kyral> As well as "Just For Fun: The Story Of An Accidental Revolutionary"
[04:08] <thierry> zakame , bmonty : could you readvocate my package please :)
[04:08] <Kyral> by Linus Torvalds :D
[04:09] <thierry> Kyral : I had the Linux Cookbook last year, it's a really great book for about anything
[04:09] <Kyral> thierry: Oyah
[04:09] <zakame> Kyral: rocking
[04:10] <Kyral> Ever see Revolution OS?
[04:10] <zakame> Kyral: yup
[04:10] <Kyral> I love it :D
[04:11] <Kyral> I love how Eric Reymond opens it with that story about him and the "Microsoft High Mucky Muck"
[04:12] <zakame> thierry: great work :)
[04:13] <Kyral> "I am your worst nightmare.."
[04:13] <Kyral> Yah watching that movie got my mind into the GNU Philosopy mode
[04:19] <zakame> hohoho!
[04:19] <siretart> hiho folks
[04:19] <zakame> merry christmas siretart :)
[04:19] <siretart> new harddisk in laptop, so this is a perfect time for upgrading to dapper! :)
[04:19] <siretart> zakame: merry christas to you too! :)
[04:20] <thierry> zakame : will it be uploaded?
[04:24] <Kyral> Merry XMas and a Happy New Year to all!
[04:33] <bmonty> thierry: I think the copyright for libfxscintilla is still wrong, COPYING says it is LGPL and you have GPL in the copyright file
[04:38] <thierry> bmonty : you're right, sorry for that, do you have any example I could look at that uses LGPL?
[04:39] <bmonty> thierry: nope, also check the contents of the debs, when I run "dpkg-deb -c" there aren't any binaries in the package
[04:40] <thierry> bmonty : strange... how can I solve that???
[04:40] <bmonty> thierry: make sure that the correct files get copied during the install part of rules
[04:42] <thierry> bmonty : k, but I'm working with cdbs... shouldn't it work?
[04:43] <thierry> bmonty : maybe you're working with the last version of libfox1.4, I had to rebuild it so that it works fine, it has been uploaded on archive.ubuntu.com but not on us.archive.ubuntu.com...
[05:00] <bmonty> thierry: sorry, I had to step away from the computer...i'll check that I have the latest version and let you know what I see
[05:01] <thierry> bmonty : latest is ubuntu3
[05:22] <thierry> bmonty : so, is it working?
[08:12] <bmonty> thierry: ping
[08:14] <\sh> hey bmonty
[08:15] <bmonty> hey \sh, Merry Christmas!
[08:15] <\sh> bmonty: same to you and your family :)
[08:21] <\sh> ok..if everything is nice now...you will have tomorrow gajim 0.9 in dapper
[08:35] <bmonty> brb, gotta wrap my wife's gifts
[08:54] <\sh> ok...gajim 0.9.0 hits dapper soon :) merry christmas :)
[09:00] <siretart> does anyone happen to have an older version of xserver-xorg-driver-ati than xserver-xorg-driver-ati_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_i386?
[09:01] <siretart> or does someone know an really old mirror?
[09:08] <bmonty> can someone mark privoxy as fixed on REVU2?
[09:17] <JanC> siretart: binary package?
[10:20] <tseng> \sh_away: what is the gajim "human patch"?
[10:20] <tseng> \sh_away: oh.
[10:24] <Hieronymus> tseng: theming?
[10:24] <tseng> yes, i read the patch
[10:24] <tseng>   * Use pysqlite for conversation history. Automigration for old logs
[10:24] <tseng> nasty
[11:06] <Zdra> hi ! i'm making a package to easily install UnrealTournament. The package contains any files but just download and copy files at the right place, so it's legal (gentoo package does the same thing and i've contacted gentoo's packager, he says that's ok). Is it possible that someone take a look at the package to see if it's correctly done (i'm a noob) and maybe possible to include it in multiverse ?
[11:08] <Zdra> (don't know if MOTU are also masters of the multiverse...)
[11:12] <bmonty> Zdra: you should upload the package to REVU, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[11:13] <Zdra> bmonty: ok thx
[11:14] <bmonty> np
[11:33] <Zdra> bmonty: i've signing problem when running "debuild" to build the package:
[11:33] <Zdra> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[11:33] <Zdra>  signfile unrealtournament_436.1.dsc Xavier Claessens<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:33] <Zdra> gpg: skipped "Xavier Claessens<EMAIL_ADDRESS>secret key not available
[11:33] <Zdra> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[11:33] <Zdra> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[11:33] <Zdra> debuild: fatal error at line 791:
[11:33] <Zdra> running debsign failed
[11:34] <Zdra> can you help me ? :-)
[11:34] <Zdra> I can't upload the package if it isn't signed
[11:34] <bmonty> Zdra: are you Xavier and do you have a key for that email address?
[11:34] <Zdra> yes that's my gpg key
[11:36] <bmonty> you sure the secret key is there?
[11:36] <Zdra> I can sign and crypt emails with that key... so I assume yes
[11:36] <Zdra> but it should ask me my password, no ?
[11:36] <JanC> Zdra: which type of key is it?
[11:36] <bmonty> it should ask your for your password
[11:37] <bmonty> is the gmail.com address your primary one?
[11:37] <Zdra> zdra@ubuntu:~/package/unrealtournament-436.1$ gpg --list-key xavier
[11:37] <Zdra> pub   1024D/7DAA3C03 2005-04-27
[11:37] <Zdra> uid                  Xavier Claessens (Zdra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:37] <Zdra> uid                  Xavier Claessens (Zdra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:37] <Zdra> uid                  Xavier Claessens (Zdra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:37] <Zdra> sub   2048g/E7C08D56 2005-04-27
[11:37] <Zdra> I think that's not my primary
[11:37] <bmonty> hmm..AFAIK that should work
[11:39] <bmonty> try using the -k option
[11:40] <Zdra> -k option of debuild ?
[11:41] <bmonty> debuild will pass it to dpkg-buildpackage
[11:41] <Zdra> doesn't any thing
[11:41] <Zdra> doesn't change any thing
[11:42] <Zdra> zdra@ubuntu:~/package/unrealtournament-436.1$ gpg --list-secret-keys
[11:42] <Zdra> /home/zdra/.gnupg/secring.gpg
[11:42] <Zdra> -----------------------------
[11:42] <Zdra> sec   1024D/7DAA3C03 2005-04-27
[11:42] <Zdra> uid                  Xavier Claessens (Zdra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:42] <Zdra> uid                  Xavier Claessens (Zdra<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:42] <Zdra> ssb   2048g/E7C08D56 2005-04-27
[11:42] <Zdra> so the key is good
[11:42] <bmonty> try doing dpkg-buildpackage -S -k <keyid> -rfakeroot
[11:43] <Zdra> it works
[11:43] <Zdra> thx
[11:43] <Zdra> but I don't understand why...
[11:44] <bmonty> something wrong with your debuild setup
[11:47] <Zdra> ok now my package is uploaded :)
[11:47] <alejandro> nice
[11:47] <JanC> Zdra: great  :)
[11:48] <JanC> Zdra: you go to FOSDEM ?  :)
[11:48] <Zdra> JanC: of course :)
[11:48] <alejandro> I'm also go to FOSDEM. :-)
[11:48] <JanC> I see your e-mail address @ ULB   :)
[11:48] <Zdra> I organise it, i'm an ULB student :)
[11:49] <JanC> I've been there twice now
[11:50] <JanC> alejandro: there will be lots of ubuntu people there   :)
[11:50] <JanC> including developers
[11:51] <alejandro> yeah, nice.
[11:57] <Zdra> is it possible to have w32codecs in multiverse ? A package that doesn't contain codecs but download the package a install time (like flashplugin-nonfree does) ?
[12:02] <JanC> Zdra: w32codecs are illegal
[12:02] <Zdra> and libdvdcss also ?


[06:05] <didrocks> good morning
[06:09] <didrocks> thumper: thanks for splitting those utils package!   I can see the lock screen behind the desktop today :)
[08:01] <duflu> willcooke, prize for the prettiest wrongness
[08:01] <willcooke> :)
[08:01] <willcooke> I was fiddling with PPAs, so it's probably me
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <seb128> oSoMoN, en forme !
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke & Laney
[08:02] <seb128> willcooke, you are on a strike to find bugs this week
[08:03] <willcooke> It's a lot more fun than spreadsheets and docs
[08:03] <willcooke> :)
[08:03] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va, et toi ?
[08:03] <didrocks> heu willcooke? Laney
[08:03] <seb128> ça va !
[08:09] <Laney> hey oSoMoN didrocks
[08:09] <tjaalton> Trevinho: hi, remind me again, which patch should be added to xserver for the hidpi support? the bug doesn't say
[08:18] <willcooke> jibel, what was the final state of the open-vmware-tools package auto-install?  Did it all land?
[08:32] <seb128> willcooke, the trello card suggests it did
[08:32] <andyrock> good morning all! :)
[08:32] <seb128> hey andyrock!
[08:33] <oSoMoN> good morning andyrock
[08:33] <jibel> willcooke, everything landed, the only remaining bit is a release of ubiquity
[08:34] <willcooke> jibel, woot!  Could you update this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1790427  vmware are asking
[08:34] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1790427 in open-vm-tools (Ubuntu) "Automatically install open-vm-tools when installer running in a VMware VM" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:36] <jibel> willcooke, this was the bug for server. The bug for desktop with the FFe is bug 1819207
[08:36] <ubot5`> bug 1819207 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Disco) "[FFe] Add Modaliases to open-vm-tools-desktop to allow automatic installation by ubuntu-drivers" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1819207
[08:38] <seb128> tjaalton, from IRC log he said
	seb128, tjaalton: actually we can just ship https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/merge_requests/80.patch which is smaller
[08:38] <gitbot> xorg issue (Merge request) 80 in xserver "xfree86: Reset transforms in xf86CrtcCloseScreen" [Closed]
[08:38] <seb128> tjaalton, he's current in south america so not going to be up before some hours
[08:39] <willcooke> jibel, ohhh!  I see it now.  thank you!
[08:39] <jibel> willcooke, I added a comment on the server bug to point to the FFe
[08:39] <willcooke> jibel, and you already commented - thanks!
[08:39] <tjaalton> seb128: ah, thanks
[08:39] <seb128> tjaalton, we should probably get that in now that we got the scaling work landed
[08:40] <tjaalton> I'm preparing an upload
[08:45] <willcooke> Do you guys agree with my conclusion here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-base/+bug/1819421
[08:45] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1819421 in desktop-base (Ubuntu) "Pop-up memu is not normal when right-click on desktop with disco-desktop-amd64.iso daily build" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:50] <didrocks> willcooke: I guess the issue that the user is pointing is that you have two separators one on top of each other
[08:50] <oSoMoN> willcooke, in the screenshot, there are two separators below the first entry in the menu, I think that's what the bug is
[08:50] <didrocks> which is looking weird
[08:51] <oSoMoN> I can reproduce locally, the first time the context menu is shown
[08:51] <didrocks> ok, not alone thinking that :)
[08:51] <didrocks> yep
[08:51] <oSoMoN> after it's hidden and shown again, the second separator is gone
[08:51] <didrocks> right
[08:51] <willcooke> ohhhhh
[08:51] <willcooke> wow
[08:51] <willcooke> good spot
[08:53] <willcooke> ha, and now I can the menu stuck open and I can't close it
[08:54] <duflu> Hmm there are two open upstream bugs for that kind of thing...
[08:54] <duflu> Maybe related: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1051 and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/724
[08:54] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1051 in gnome-shell "Big gaps in app menus" [Opened]
[08:54] <gitbot> GNOME issue 724 in gnome-shell "GNOME 3.30.1 Menus not updating." [Opened]
[08:56] <duflu> And if you're using multiple monitors then also https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1049 would explain it
[08:56] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1049 in gnome-shell "Top bar menu is badly rendered" [Closed]
[08:59] <seb128> willcooke, btw, I just tried your multimonitor/touch coordinate being off issue, it doesn't happen on wayland session for me but it does under x11
[08:59] <willcooke> seb128, wayland is better for me, but not perfect
[08:59] <seb128> willcooke, you said you had it under wayland on Ubuntu? (but not on fedora)
[08:59] <seb128> I couldn't see an issue on wayland, I can click on the launcher, click on desktop icon, move by the titlebar
[09:00] <willcooke> seb128, correct, Fedora works fine.  Let me try on Wayland....
[09:00] <seb128> I was trying to rule out a distro issue
[09:00] <seb128> to me wayland looks fine on Ubuntu
[09:00] <seb128> would be nice if you can test again just to confirm it's not the case for you
[09:02] <seb128> oSoMoN, you commented on that g-c-c/region/input by win bug yesterday, does it mean you work on it/plan to upstream? I was going to send it upstream but I don't want to step on your feet
[09:02] <oSoMoN> seb128, I was going to file an upstream bug and ping Robert since this is code he wrote, he would know how to fix it
[09:03] <duflu> oSoMoN, did you say RH are shipping a smaller vaapi patch than Intel, and it works?!
[09:03] <oSoMoN> duflu, yes, last time I tested it it seemed to work
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, in Wayland now... I don't get a "drag" on the desktop, and touch is very intermittent.  Generally works a bit on the left of the screen, but the right hand side is not working.  When I drag a window from the left to the right, when it gets to nearly half way (maybe 3/4s) then the window suddenly jumps to the right
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, my set up is laptop on the left, monitor on the right
[09:04] <willcooke> if that makes any difference
[09:04] <duflu> willcooke, that's not still using the PPA right?
[09:04] <willcooke> duflu, ohh
[09:04] <duflu> Yeah I thought the PPA might do something like that
[09:04] <oSoMoN> duflu, IIRC the intel patch was much bigger (and harder to maintain) because they tried hard to have the feature disabled by default and hidden behind a feature flag, whereas the fedora patch doesn't care and just enables it.
[09:05] <willcooke> yeah, I have the PPA installed still (the second one).  One sec...
[09:05] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'll file that upstream bug in a moment
[09:05] <duflu> Sounds like it's literally half working, which was my suspicion
[09:05] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx, upstream+Robert sounds good, thx for handling it!
[09:06] <seb128> duflu, did you upstream that coordinate one?
[09:06] <seb128> we should probably
[09:06] <duflu> seb128, what, the touchscreen patch?
[09:06] <duflu> No on that one because it's definitely wrong
[09:06] <seb128> no, the bug
[09:06] <duflu> seb128, I think Will did already
[09:06] <seb128> it's an upstream issue/worth forwarding to gitlab no?
[09:07] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1821933 has no upstream bug reference
[09:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1821933 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Touch input is offset with two screens (even appearing on the wrong screen)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[09:08] <duflu> seb128, yeah sorry Will upstreamed a different bug. I would prefer one of you who experience the bug to describe it upstream though
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, ^ can you do that?
[09:08] <willcooke> I don't think this touch issue is an upstream one, since it works on Fedora?
[09:08] <duflu> Weird
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, for me it works under wayland, did you try x11 on fedora?
[09:08] <duflu> Must be a different coordinate translation path
[09:09] <duflu> willcooke, do you have the synaptics driver installed for X11?
[09:09] <willcooke> seb128, Ah, I see.  No I didnt.  I will try that
[09:09] <seb128> thx
[09:09] <seb128> willcooke, which is why I was making you test wayland again on Ubuntu
[09:09] <seb128> willcooke, to me it looks like x11 session specific, so doesn't impact default fedora
[09:09] <seb128> also it works fine on disco/wayland here with the inspiron
[09:09] <seb128> (no ppa in use ;)
[09:10] <willcooke> duflu, no synaptics installed
[09:10] <willcooke> How do I remove the mutter package this ppa installed and get back to the normal one?  Just remove it and reinstall?
[09:10] <duflu> willcooke, ppa-purge
[09:11] <duflu> followed by Tab and autocompletion will give you the rest :)
[09:12] <willcooke> seb128, nah - touch is screwed up on Wayland on Ubuntu too
[09:12] <willcooke> I'll make a video to try and demo
[09:13] <seb128> k
[09:13] <seb128> well wfm
[09:13] <duflu> I can't remember if touchscreens use libinput or evdev directly
[09:13] <seb128> also sounds like duflu found some issue with the code
[09:13] <seb128> I would upstream it anyway
[09:13] <willcooke> I'll swap the screen position around and see
[09:13] <seb128> or maybe try fedora/x11 if you can just to make sure it works there
[09:13] <duflu> Yeah half the screen working is roughly what I expected with that hack
[09:14] <duflu> There's not enough knowledge in the patch about which screens are touch and their placement to do it properly right now
[09:14] <duflu> But with more work and wiring it might be possible
[09:14] <willcooke> hm
[09:14] <willcooke> xev isnt seeing anything
[09:15] <willcooke> (in wayland)
[09:15] <willcooke> it is seeing mouse and kbd
[09:15] <willcooke> maybe my laptop is dead
[09:15] <duflu> willcooke, that's for high level X events. You want evtest
[09:15] <willcooke> diing
[09:15] <willcooke> dieing
[09:15] <duflu> evtest for kernel events
[09:16] <willcooke> ah kk, so yeah touch events are being generated
[09:17] <willcooke> I will reinstall Disco first
[09:17] <oSoMoN> seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/440
[09:17] <gitbot> GNOME issue 440 in gnome-control-center ""Region & Language > Input Source Options > Allow different sources for each window" doesn't take effect" [Opened]
[09:17] <seb128> oSoMoN, thx!
[09:18] <willcooke> disco ISO is back below 2GB again
[09:18] <seb128> weird :/
[09:18] <willcooke> what did we remove :))
[09:18] <seb128> what did we loose this time?
[09:18] <willcooke> lol
[09:18] <seb128> willcooke, can you trello import bug #1822775?
[09:18] <ubot5`> bug 1822775 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Different input sources per window not work" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1822775
[09:19] <seb128> it's one for Robert to comment on, he added the bug
[09:19] <seb128> he likes his work to be in the trello :p
[09:20] <willcooke> done: https://trello.com/c/fOjJE2am/302-bug1822775-different-input-sources-per-window-not-work
[09:20] <seb128> thx!
[09:20] <willcooke> np
[09:21] <seb128> bah
[09:21] <seb128> bug #1822846
[09:21] <ubot5`> bug 1822846 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Icon disappears from favorites bar/launcher in gnome-shell 3.32" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1822846
[09:21] <seb128> new GNOME version, new bugs :/
[09:23] <duflu> seb128, AFAIK that's the upstream dock only, not Ubuntu dock
[09:24] <seb128> ah
[09:24] <seb128> duflu, thx, title updated (and untagged, I don't think it qualify for rls bugs if the launcher doesn't have the issue)
[09:25] <duflu> And if you find the right blank space it is still clickable :)
[09:32] <willcooke> seb128, @ ISO size.  I think it's just the website reporting it differently.  GNOME Disks says it's 2.1GB
[09:32] <seb128> willcooke, k, makes sense
[09:33]  * duflu glares at the 1.44MB floppies still unsorted on the shelf
[09:36] <willcooke> I ordered a USB floppy drive this week :)
[09:37] <duflu> I should do that. The problem is I don't have a drive any more
[09:37] <willcooke> But, interesting story, it actually reads the disk and then presents it to the OS as a USB mass storage device.  So you can't do any low level floppy operations, like mounting Acorn ADFS disks :(
[09:37] <seb128> would be interesting to know if it still works/have a proper icon etc on Ubuntu :)
[09:37] <seb128> ah
[09:38] <seb128> that's going to fail to test that then
[09:38] <duflu> Hmm, no more /dev/fd?
[09:38] <willcooke> I'll see if I can find a PC formatted disk.  I bet there is one in the loft then
[09:38] <seb128> :)
[09:38] <willcooke> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Portable-3-5-External-Floppy-Disk-Drive-1-44Mb-Data-Storage-For-PC-Laptop/151974163614?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
[09:38] <willcooke> thats the one I ordered
[10:20] <willcooke> seb128, duflu: having reinstalled Disco touch in Wayland *is* a lot better.  Tracks properly now by the looks of it.  I can't touch on desktop icons, which is a different bug, but I can move windows etc properly
[10:21] <willcooke> now to test x on Fedora
[10:21] <duflu> willcooke, thanks yeah I feared X11 and Wayland had different code paths
[11:24] <willcooke> well, that was hard work.
[11:24] <willcooke> seb128, as you predicted.  Touch is broken on Fedora Xorg too.  I'll log upstream.
[11:28] <seb128> willcooke, thx :)
[11:28] <seb128> glad it's not distro specific
[11:42] <willcooke> k, upstream bug logged too.  Food time.
[11:42] <willcooke> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1136
[11:42] <gitbot> GNOME issue 1136 in gnome-shell "Touch input is offset in Xorg sessions with multiple monitors in 3.32" [Opened]
[11:46] <seb128> willcooke, thx, enjoy lunch!
[12:48] <willcooke> seb128, known and fixed upstream
[12:48] <willcooke> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/514
[12:48] <gitbot> GNOME issue 514 in mutter "Touchscreen input layer no longer follows screen rotation in X11 (regression)" [5. Backend: X11, 5. Input, Closed]
[12:57] <seb128> willcooke, woot, well done :)
[13:10] <Beret> has anyone else experienced https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1822881 ?
[13:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1821663 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1822881 [regression][snd_hda_codec_realtek] repeating crackling noise after 19.04 upgrade" [High,Confirmed]
[13:10] <Beret> oh, n/m
[13:10] <Beret> the bug was updated and I missed it
[13:10] <kenvandine> not me
[13:13] <kenvandine> Beret: looks like they are on top of that bug
[13:13] <Beret> yep
[13:13] <Beret> thanks
[13:13] <kenvandine> np
[13:44] <Trevinho> morning..
[13:44] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[13:44] <Trevinho> and seb128 thanks for poinring it out to tjaalton
[13:45] <Trevinho> hi willcooke
[13:45] <seb128> hey trevinho, how are you?
[13:45] <Trevinho> good, good :). Thanks seb128. you?
[13:46] <seb128> I'm good :)
[13:46] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[13:47] <willcooke> kenvandine, remember "only keep two versions of the snap by default on the desktop" - that was no further action on us because it's the default now, right?
[13:47] <kenvandine> willcooke: right
[13:47] <willcooke> woot
[13:47] <willcooke> seb128, ^
[13:47] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[13:47] <seb128> great!
[13:48] <seb128> thx willcooke, kenvandine
[13:51] <willcooke> Beret, certainly sounds like a power saving issue (and we expected there to be some sound cards which needed blacklisting).  It would be helpful if you could confirm if your soundcard matches the ids that were added to the blacklist.  If not, then I think we should capture your IDs in that bug as well and get them added.
[13:55] <seb128> Beret, willcooke, to test without power saving add 'snd_hda_intel.power_save=0' to the kernel line in grub
[14:03] <tjaalton> Trevinho: I've uploaded it, along with another crash fix
[14:03] <Trevinho> tjaalton: cool thanks
[14:28] <Beret> seb128, willcooke - yeah, I did the work around with the options snd-hda-intel power_save=0
[14:28] <Beret> and that took care of it so it's definitely the kernel thing
[14:48] <kenvandine> Beret: great
[17:22] <oSoMoN> good evening all
[17:22]  * willcooke heads out as well
[17:22] <willcooke> night
[17:22] <sarnold> nn
[17:23] <sarnold> haha! I actually got in in time :)
[17:53] <brlin> I would like to ask if here's the proper place to ask question regarding the generation of the desktop images?


[04:43] <cjwatson> stgraber: hm, yes, weird - well, I moved things around by hand for now and am publish-releasing now
[09:24] <rbasak> facter 1.6.5-1ubuntu1.1 is in precise-proposed, approved and awaiting testing. Looks like I'll have to do it. I have another fix for facter in bug 986973 for which a fix has been identified, so I'd like to add that too. It'd be nice for me to test all of this at once, so can I just add another patch to a 1.6.5-1ubuntu1.2 and get that uploaded, and once approved test all the fixes at once?
[09:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 986973 in facter (Ubuntu) "Facter bug causes puppet to hang" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986973
[09:26] <rbasak> ie. I guess I want to trump a version of facter that's already in precise-proposed but is verification-needed.
[09:43] <Daviey> rbasak: I think doing both fixes in one upload is acceptable. Please do continue
[09:43] <Daviey> rbasak: Please ping me when you upload the new one, so i can trump the status on the original
[09:54] <rbasak> Daviey: OK, thanks.
[10:51] <ogra_> could some archive admin unleash ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd from binary NEW ?
[11:53] <ogra_> seb128, would you mind unbocking me ^^^ ?
[11:53] <cjwatson> 12:15 -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd [armhf] (saucy-proposed) [0.2]
[11:53] <cjwatson> somebody already did
[11:53] <seb128> ogra_, /me "bocks" ogra_
[11:53] <ogra_> oh
[11:54] <seb128> great, less work for me ;-)
[11:54] <ogra_> that kind of drowned in the noise, sorry
[11:54] <seb128> ogra_, if you need something that was already one by somebody else, feel free to ping me :p
[11:54]  * ogra_ notes down on his whiteboard on the wall
[11:54] <Laney> bockwurst
[11:55] <ogra_> mustard ?
[11:56] <xnox> somebody please accept shadow [armhf] which was slow to arrive to be accepted with the rest of them =)
[11:56] <Laney> natürlich
[11:56] <StevenK> Laney: Nein, die Antwort ist falsch
[11:56] <StevenK> (Am I close enough, ogra_?)
[11:57] <ogra_> perfect !
[11:57] <xnox> StevenK: Ja, alles ist klar!
[11:57] <StevenK> Wonderbar!
[11:57] <ogra_> though i hink Laney is right ... i would want mustard with my bockwurst
[11:57] <seb128> Laney, nein, wiener schnitzel
[11:57]  * xnox ponders about German as default language for ubuntu desktop 14.04. Look even seb128 speaks it!
[11:58] <StevenK> Hmmm, Duolingo was using deutlich as clear, rather than klar
[11:58] <Laney> I just looked up "chipolata" in German
[11:58] <Laney> cocktailwürstchen ♥
[11:58] <seb128> lol
[11:59] <ogra_> StevenK, i would translate "deutlich" more as "precise" than clear
[11:59] <Laney> not sure that's an entirely correct translation though
[11:59] <Laney> ...aaanyway
[11:59] <ogra_> it is
[11:59] <Laney> it doesn't appear to be the same thing
[11:59] <ogra_> it is "mini bockwurst"
[11:59] <Laney> cocktail sausages aren't the same as chipolatas
[11:59] <Laney> but maybe you do indeed use the same word
[12:00] <Laney> that might be enough OT for now :P
[12:00] <ogra_> heh
[12:01] <ogra_> dict translates chipolata with chipolata :)
[12:48] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~$ cd branches/lovecd-rootfs
[12:48] <ogra_> bash: cd: branches/lovecd-rootfs: No such file or directory
[12:48] <ogra_> there are days where i like my typos :)
[12:54] <xnox> ogra_: there is a similar eastern egg in android build system.
[12:54]  * iulian wonders where the western egg is.
[12:55] <ogra_> in ubuntu kylin indeed !
[12:57] <iulian> That's still in east! :)
[14:18] <ScottK> FYI, there are several KDE related libs that are NBS due to poor timing and things being forced: libkipi10, libmarblewidget15, libokularcore2abi1, and libsolidcontrol4abi2.  There are uploads of KDE SC 4.11 Beta 2 and the newest Digikam release planned for the next few days that will resolve these (I took care of the rest), so don't worry about rebuilds for those.  They'll resolve themselves shortly.
[14:20] <ScottK> Actually, that's not quite true.  There's one package, contour that needs some porting.
[14:20] <cjwatson> OK, thanks
[14:53] <tseliot> infinity: hi, can you approve nvidia-settings-319-updates and nvidia-graphics-drivers-319-updates in Saucy NEW, please?
[16:30] <jdstrand> hey, I just uploaded a new source (apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu). this is going to ship some data formerly in apparmor
[16:30] <infinity> jdstrand: So, just a simple package split?
[16:30] <jdstrand> infinity: yes-- out to a new source though
[16:30] <infinity> jdstrand: Yeah, I got that part. :)
[16:30] <jdstrand> (as opposed to what I did the other day with a new binary)
[16:31] <jdstrand> right, so simple package split. I haven't uploaded the new apparmor yet, cause I wanted to have a dependency on apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu
[16:33] <infinity> jdstrand: Did these templates previously ship in another package?
[16:35] <infinity> Hrm, doesn't look like.
[16:35] <jdstrand> infinity: yes, but in a different directory
[16:35] <jdstrand> apparmor ubuntu16 in saucy should have those
[16:35] <infinity> jdstrand: Yeah, I meant the exact paths (for breaks/replaces), not conceptually.
[16:35] <jdstrand> err, apparmor-easyprof
[16:35] <cjwatson> is having them both simultaneously installed bad?
[16:35] <jdstrand> won't need a Breaks/Replaces in this case
[16:36] <jdstrand> nope
[16:36] <cjwatson> is having them removed from the first without the second being installed bad?
[16:36] <jdstrand> the new apparmor I've yet to upload them won't happen to ship them, but there is no problem if it does
[16:36] <infinity> I was assuming easyprof-ubuntu is a superset of easyprof and the former wants to depend on the latter, is that not true?
[16:37] <jdstrand> apparmor-easyprof is going to lose all its ubuntu templates. it is going to Depends on apparmor-easypro-ubuntu
[16:37] <jdstrand> to get them back again
[16:37] <infinity> Oh, the dep's going that direction.  Kay.  Doesn't that seem backward?
[16:37] <infinity> generic Depends specific means no one can take just generic without altering it.
[16:37] <jdstrand> I considered both directions
[16:38] <jdstrand> on the hand that you are referring to, it does seem backwards
[16:38] <jdstrand> but on the other hand, dh_apparmor depends on apparmor-easyprof, and we are going to want these templates there. same will be said for the click package hook
[16:39] <jdstrand> I guess I culd adjust the dh_apparmor (and future click) dependency to depend on apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu instead of apparmor-easyprof
[16:39] <infinity> Well, I'm not wildly fussed.  It's just a bit downstream-hostile to have the dep this direction.  But it's more work to go the other way and fix up seeds/deps to make sure *we* always have what you want installed.
[16:39] <jdstrand> but that is unfriendly to Debian
[16:40] <infinity> I suppose if people just need to alter the one dependency, that's not a big deal.
[16:40] <infinity> License: GPL-2
[16:40] <infinity> ^-- Really?
[16:40] <infinity> Not 2+ or 3?
[16:42] <infinity> Oh, I geuss that comes from the original apparmor license mess.
[16:43] <infinity> jdstrand: Do me a favour and upload that new apparmor nowish.  I'm NEWing this to main, and I don't want someone dropping it back out when nothing depends on it. :P
[16:44] <jdstrand> infinity: yes, original licensing
[16:45] <jdstrand> infinity: thanks!
[16:45] <jdstrand> I have another change I need to test, then can upload
[16:45] <infinity> Kay.
[16:51] <infinity> I don't know how I lived without the lesspipe hook for debs before I found out about it...
[16:52] <xnox> *_* for debs!
[16:52] <infinity> xnox: It just triggers dpkg-deb -I and dpkg-deb -c, but it's wildly useful.
[16:52] <xnox> infinity: I don't have it, is it in the archive?
[16:52] <cjwatson> that is handy :)
[16:53] <infinity> xnox: Of course you have it.  "less foo.deb"
[16:53] <xnox> infinity: i get crazy binary output.
[16:54] <infinity> xnox: Using a custom .${shell}rc that doesn't eval lesspipe?
[16:55] <infinity> xnox: See /etc/skel/.bashrc for the lesspipe eval.
[16:55] <cjwatson> He wouldn't be the only one with custom shell init files that date back years, although mine do at least eval lesspipe ...
[16:56] <xnox> same here. same snippet is evaluated.
[16:56] <cjwatson> (I have VCS history for mine back to 2002, and I think they originate in more like 1999 or so)
[16:57] <infinity> I gave up on managing fancy custom shell inits when I realized that default was almost good enough now.
[16:57] <infinity> And I just tack on DEBEMAL and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS on new installs.
[16:58] <xnox> infinity: I started pushing my minimal changes to ~/.bash_aliases such that I know I can take fresh ~/.bashrc any time.
[17:30] <jdstrand> infinity: ok, uploaded. there may be another one later today, but that chouldn't concern you :)
[18:25] <jbicha> today's Ubuntu GNOME daily image build failed, can I just use the iso tracker to request a rebuild?
[18:30] <stgraber> yep
[20:34] <phillw> Hi, a very quick question... Someone installs 10.04 via the netboot / mini.iso from, say, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ and then drops a DE onto it. They will get no security updates for the DE, but they will they still get kernel updates?
[20:35] <ScottK> phillw: Is the the security team's channel?
[20:35] <ScottK> (or the kernel team's)
[20:36] <phillw> ScottK: I'm not sure... the note is signed "On behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team,Adam Conrad "
[20:36] <phillw> which I think is here?
[20:37] <ScottK> True, but I don't understand what needs clarifying.
[20:37] <phillw> But, i will go ask on kernel :)
[20:37] <phillw> I think that they will, but as I'm updating a wiki page, I wanted to check :)
[21:40] <ScottK> No publisher run this half hour?
[22:07] <infinity> phillw: Which part of the EOL announcement wasn't clear?
[22:09] <phillw> infinity: it is clear, my question was does an install via netboot get (i.e. have the repos) for server kernel updates which will continue for approx 18 months.
[22:10] <infinity> phillw: Of course.  Of course, people could install from desktop media too, it's not like I reached through the internet and deleted everyone's ISOs when I sent the announcement.
[22:11] <infinity> phillw: But, in either case, things are set up with -updates and -security turned on by default, and nothing changes.  We just stopped pushing updates for non-server stuff.
[22:11] <phillw> infinity: thanks, I was 99% sure, but as I was clearing old releases out in readiness for 13.10, we keep 10.04 hanging around in lubuntu for legacy kit. :)
[22:12] <phillw> it is quite clear that they do not get DE updates and they have to look after that them selves :)
[22:12] <phillw> thanks for giving me the 100% :)
[23:15] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm.  I thought britney/autopkgtest was meant to trigger as soon as amd64 binaries were available?
[23:16] <infinity> cjwatson: Looks to me like linux only triggered the eglibc test once it was available on all arches, rather than 6 hours earlier.


[00:38] <jbicha> I think I'm going to update gnome-menus to 3.8 in saucy tomorrow; the changes don't seem to affect Unity
[00:54] <jbicha> and I was just about to upload alacarte but sadly the new version doesn't work, bug 1186523
[01:30] <darkxst> jbicha, that is probably caused by non UTF-8 locale
[09:23] <twilightbeach43> Hi, I've heard about issues relating to dual-booting Ubuntu GNOME with Windows. Could anyone here shed some light on that?
[09:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> I just have one thing to say to you guys. Thank you. It makes me very happy that the end user can now use pure gnome without having to manually install it. I personally now use xfce exclusively, but the end user should always have an easy choice.
[15:26] <ronj> Hi ricotz jbicha, if you don't already know about, today's upgrade looks scary: http://pastebin.com/Mh5WezQP
[17:40] <phantomcratcher> hello, I just installed gnome 3.8, and I can't see the notifications config option inside System Settings. Is this a compatibility bug?
[18:51] <jbicha> neat, compare the file size of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/release/ with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[19:04] <egh> anybody else using the gnome3 team ppa? some recent updates seem to have completely broken apt-get dependencies.
[19:31] <ronj> egh, same for me: <ronj> Hi ricotz jbicha, if you don't already know about, today's upgrade looks scary: http://pastebin.com/Mh5WezQP
[19:34] <egh> ronj: great to know it's not just me
[19:35] <egh> possibly related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1186506
[19:36] <ronj> egh, no that one was five days ago and was fixed, today is a different one. don't know if there's a Launchpad bug filed
[19:37] <egh> ronj: could be. I'm seeing: The following packages have been kept back:
[19:37] <egh>   gir1.2-pango-1.0 libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0:i386 libpangoxft-1.0-0 libpangoxft-1.0-0:i386
[19:37] <egh>
[19:38] <egh> If I run: `sudo apt-get install libpangoft2-1.0-0:i386` apt-get wants to destroy my system
[19:38] <ronj> true, especially in the "The following packages have been kept back:" section, didn't see that
[20:31] <jjmarin_>  /msg MeMO READ LAST
[21:05] <egh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1187938
[22:20] <darkxst> jbicha, is UOA google (3.8) provider still working for you
[22:20] <jbicha> darkxst: do you use 2-factor auth?
[22:20] <darkxst> no
[22:21] <darkxst> but my account lost authorisation, and I can't access the webkit frame to reauth (it just stays blank)
[22:21] <darkxst> also "remove account" refuses to do anything
[22:22] <jbicha> are you using raring staging?
[22:22] <darkxst> yeh
[22:23] <darkxst> (gnome-control-center:11465): account-plugin-WARNING **: ap_client_load_plugin: module /usr/lib/libaccount-plugin-1.0/providers/libgoogle.so not found: /usr/lib/libaccount-plugin-1.0/providers/libgoogle.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:24] <jbicha> by the way, Unity's date time panel crashes for me with Settings 3.8, I built from https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-datetime/rename-desktop-for-38/
[22:26] <darkxst> libaccount-plugin-google has no rdepends?
[22:28] <darkxst> datetime was working before when I added the external panel stuff, I will look into it
[22:42] <jbicha> but yeah, UOA looks completely broken with Settings 3.8 on Saucy
[22:46] <darkxst> jbicha, that seems to be because the libaccount plugins are not installed
[22:53] <darkxst> jbicha, does datetime still work under 3.6?
[23:13] <jbicha> darkxst: yes
[23:19] <darkxst> wierd, since seems to be a bug in libtimezonemap1
[23:20] <jbicha> darkxst: do you know of a bug for the libaccount-plugin brokeness?
[23:21] <darkxst> jbicha, I havent filed one


[01:50] <researcher> Hello friends. I m just new here.anybody got edubuntu in Indian languages?
[18:08]  * Ahmuck is thinking about traveling to canada.  any suggestions?
[18:27] <jussi01> does edubuntu include applications for educators?
[18:28] <jussi01> and is there some where I can find a list of apps inlcuded?
[19:01] <dgroos> jussi01: interesting question...
[19:01] <dgroos> what kind of apps are you talking about?
[19:01] <dgroos> (referring to the first of your questions here...)
[19:02] <jussi01> dgroos: I was thinking of report writing apps, lesson planning apps etc
[19:02] <jussi01> dgroos: ie. http://www.schooltool.org/
[20:06] <dgroos> jussi01: I must admit I've not used it as my district has its own tools for these critical tasks.
[20:07] <dgroos> I've heard good things about schooltools and about Tom Hoffman's work.  As I understand he is good at communicating and would be happy to answer your questions.
[20:08] <dgroos> There are other tools as well for teachers who manage the learning environment.  For example there is Sabayon--recently brought up to speed by sbalneav.
[20:09] <dgroos> This app helps manage the permissions of users and I think he said he now has it so that you can manage users by groups?
[20:11] <dgroos> Somewhat related is a particular file on the filesystem so that you can customize it and thereby manage users Firefox preferences.
[20:13] <dgroos> Of course there is Moodle which is a pretty full-featured CMS (perhaps included on the install disk--I heard talk about considering doing this).
[20:14] <dgroos> I prefer Plone as my CMS however, more generic and malleable and looks lots nicer.  That is also open source though not part of Edubuntu.
[20:15] <dgroos> I really like CmapTools and CmapServer which are powerful tools, the former adding awesome online capabilities of sharing and collaboration.
[20:23] <dgroos> Finally, these folks in Finland recently came out with their scaffolding 'knowledge building' software that is a WordPress plugin--here's a demo to it: http://fle4.uiah.fi/2009/08/demo-of-kb/
[20:24] <dgroos> The user and group admin app is pretty weak in general and is currently, probably, the weakest link for me in the whole system.
[20:25] <dgroos> There is I'm sure a list of apps included though I've not seen it.  Anyone?
[21:08] <highvoltage> WIDGTT?
[21:10] <dgroos> hmmm... that means?
[21:10] <highvoltage> Who Is DGroos Talking To? :)
[21:10] <highvoltage> hey there dgroos
[21:11] <dgroos> High hivoltage!
[21:11] <dgroos> himself, usually ;)
[21:11] <highvoltage> I see I'm not the only one up late!
[21:11] <dgroos> Well... I just admit that it is only 3:11 in the afternoon here...
[21:11] <dgroos> You are in Germany?
[21:12] <highvoltage> dgroos: close (timezone-wise), South Africa
[21:12] <highvoltage> dgroos: for some reason I thought you were in Europe
[21:12] <dgroos> Ah right! I knew that...
[21:13] <dgroos> Well, several generations ago that would have been true...
[21:13] <dgroos> but then I guess pretty much everyone is from somewhere else if you go back far enough.
[21:14] <dgroos> So, I've been asked this before, where can I get a list of apps included in an edubuntu version?
[21:15] <highvoltage> we should have a web page for that
[21:15] <dgroos> (I should probably just let you finish what you are doing so you could go to bed...)
[21:15] <highvoltage> it's a good and typical question which we don't really have answered somewhere atm
[21:15] <highvoltage> heh no worries
[21:16] <dgroos> a web page would be good...
[21:16] <highvoltage> hmm there's http://www.edubuntu.org/applications but it's in serious need of updating
[21:17] <dgroos> How hard would it be for the ubuntu web site to have some wysiwyg editing options?  That would not only make it a site
[21:17] <highvoltage> I usually tell people it's KDE-Edu, Gcompris, Tux4kids and a few other loose edu apps
[21:17] <highvoltage> dgroos: I've been wondering whether Wordpress wouldn't be better in terms of editing and maintenance
[21:17] <dgroos> ... friendlier to semi-techies, but also would allow us to more easily have better looking pages.
[21:17] <highvoltage> drupal has better social networking tools and functionality
[21:18] <highvoltage> but it doesn't help us if we're never going to use it anyway
[21:18] <dgroos> That is true :)
[21:18] <dgroos> It's a bit of the chicken vs egg conundrum--hard to have one without the other...
[21:20] <highvoltage> I think there are some wysiwyg plugins for drupal we could try out as well, although I think the current drupal installation is very outdated
[21:20] <highvoltage> that's one thing that I like about wordpress as well, it's so simple to keep up to date
[21:22] <dgroos> hmmm... would this be a moment to put out a plug for Plone...?  It is hugely extensible, a mature open source project and vigorously improveing, excellent security (at least according to those in the know) and looks good.
[21:23] <dgroos> here's my favorite plone site: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov
[21:23] <highvoltage> I like the vigorously improving part... but I'm sceptical on the rest :)
[21:23] <highvoltage> Ubuntu's site used to run on Plone
[21:23] <dgroos> Really!?
[21:24] <highvoltage> it fell over and they couldn't get it back up again... and that's with Canonical even having lots of great python/zope/etc people
[21:24] <highvoltage> yep, it was plone right from the start
[21:24] <highvoltage> and then they switched to moin
[21:24] <highvoltage> and then drupal
[21:24] <dgroos> when was that?  I've used it in my classroom since 2005.  It really is quite slick but once again, it takes a learning curve :-(
[21:25] <dgroos> Right.  It can be a drag when Things Go Bad...
[21:27] <dgroos> You know... I just got this right now: highvoltage: WIDGTT?
[21:27] <dgroos> [3:10pm] dgroos: hmmm... that means?
[21:27] <dgroos> [3:10pm] highvoltage: Who Is DGroos Talking To?
[21:27] <dgroos> slow on the uptake :-)
[21:31] <dgroos> that was Jussi01, I thought, though rather asynchronously.
[21:34] <highvoltage> hehe


[05:51] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:42] <chesedo> morning thatgraemeguy and all others
[08:11] <andrewlsd> o/ Hi all
[08:20] <inetpro> hi everyone
[08:24] <andrewlsd> Hi inetpro
[08:24] <andrewlsd> inetpro: PiNet looks really nice. Good documentation and useful features
[08:25] <andrewlsd> PiNet.org.uk for the link
[10:59] <kbmonkey> hi everyone
[14:59] <lifeboy> Anyone here that can help fix a bluetooth connection error on 17.04?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24857104/
[15:36] <Kilos> evening everyone
[17:42] <Langjan> Hello guys, very happy to see you here Kilos
[18:44] <superfly> o/
[19:11] <inetpro> Maaz: tell andrewlsd thanks for the link to http://pinet.org.uk/
[19:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell andrewlsd on freenode
[19:11] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:12] <Kilos> sorry for being slow
[19:12] <Kilos> hi guys
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: slow?
[19:12] <Kilos> to answer
[19:12] <Kilos> didnt here the bing bing
[19:12] <Kilos> was outside or eating maybe
[19:12] <inetpro> you mean from Langjan?
[19:13] <Kilos> yessir
[19:13] <inetpro> ah
[19:13] <inetpro> hoe gaanit?
[19:13] <Kilos> nie te sleg vandag nie dankie
[19:13] <Kilos> was baie rustig so voel nogal goed
[19:16] <inetpro> mooi!
[19:30] <inetpro> time to get some batteries reloaded
[19:30] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:31] <inetpro> en goeienag oom Kilos
[19:31] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[19:31] <Kilos> good idea anyway
[19:31] <inetpro> selle daar, dankie
[19:32] <Kilos> night all sleep tight


[00:38] <micahg> awesome :)
[00:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you know why the langpacks are built on non-i386 archs?
[00:39] <micahg> rather, is there a reason for that
[00:40] <BarkingFish> Morning guys - Just wondering if you can help fairly quickly, I got an update earlier to thunderbird mail, and it's now not working at the current version.  I click to open, the icon sits for a few moments, but thunderbird does not open, no gui, nada
[00:42] <micahg> BarkingFish: what release?
[00:42] <micahg> BarkingFish: you probably have an incompatible addon
[00:43] <BarkingFish> Installed: 9.0+build2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[00:43] <BarkingFish> and I have no addons whatsoever
[00:44] <micahg> hmm...
[00:44] <micahg> I'm running the same build with addons
[00:44] <micahg> BarkingFish: try starting in safe mode, thunderbird -safe-mode I believe
[00:44] <BarkingFish> what are you on, ubuntu or kubuntu, and which version?
[00:44] <micahg> ubuntu
[00:44] <BarkingFish> ah
[00:44] <BarkingFish> I'm on Kubuntu, 11.10
[00:45] <micahg> BarkingFish: can you run 'strace -f -eopen thunderbird 2>&1 | tee ~/thunderbird.strace' and see if you get anything interesting
[00:46] <BarkingFish> ok, give me a moment, anything pops up and i'll pastebinit for you
[00:47] <BarkingFish> holy cow
[00:47] <BarkingFish> I got so much it blew my konsole scrollback :0
[00:47] <micahg> well, you should get output (stored in that file) the question is is there any interesting output
[00:48] <micahg> CTRL-C to stop if the gui doesn't pop up
[00:48] <BarkingFish> i didn't get a chance to check it all, it went past so fast and probably half of it is missing :)
[00:48] <BarkingFish> the GUI did come up though
[00:48] <micahg> cool :)
[00:48] <micahg> weird though
[00:49] <micahg> ISTR someone else having a similar issue, that it would only run in gdb
[00:49] <micahg> but that was firefox
[00:49] <micahg> BarkingFish: can you check the addons manager, Tools -> Addons to see if anything interesting is in there
[00:50] <BarkingFish> i'm running strace etc into a text file, so I can pastebin it up - pastebinit won't read directly from strace :(
[00:50] <BarkingFish> sure
[00:50] <micahg> BarkingFish: you already did that, tee writes to the file given as well as STDOUT
[00:51] <BarkingFish> oh crud
[00:51] <BarkingFish> so I now have a text file writing a text file into a text file :P The paradox of the century :)
[00:51] <micahg> heh
[00:51] <BarkingFish> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/794439/
[00:52] <BarkingFish> that was one hell of a file :)
[00:55] <micahg> BarkingFish: email might have been better :)
[00:55] <micahg> yeah, it comes out fast
[00:56] <micahg> BarkingFish: so, I'd suggest disabling the unity and messaging menu integration in the addons and see if that helps
[00:56] <BarkingFish> micahg: I figured email would have been faster too, but until I get the email client stable and I'm certain it's gonna work, I wasn't gonna send anything out
[00:56] <micahg> BarkingFish: oh, right :)
[00:56] <BarkingFish> i didn't realise i had any addons. It's great that things get put in without your knowledge :P
[00:57] <BarkingFish> I certainly didn't add them
[00:57] <micahg> BarkingFish: those seem to be the only real failures in terms of not being able to open
[00:58] <BarkingFish> all disabled, how do I remove them, since I didn't install them, and I don't really want my email client bloated with [censored] I didn't ask for :)
[00:58] <micahg> BarkingFish: yeah, globalmenu is a recommends, messaging menu is just shipped in the thunderbird binary for some reason
[00:58] <BarkingFish> i'd prefer them all out of the system if I can get rid of them
[00:58] <micahg> BarkingFish: thunderbird-globalmenu you can uninstall with muon
[00:59] <BarkingFish> i use apper, but whatever :)
[00:59] <micahg> the other one, you can't really remove ATM, you can ask chrisccoulson when he gets back if he'd consider putting that in its own binary
[00:59] <BarkingFish> it would be nice
[00:59] <micahg> BarkingFish: sure, I just figured Muon since it's the Kubuntu default
[01:00] <BarkingFish> it's our default?
[01:00] <micahg> I thought Muon was the default package manager for Kubuntu
[01:00]  * BarkingFish shakes his head.
[01:01]  * micahg could be wrong
[01:01] <BarkingFish> It used to be kpackagekit, which died when packagekit wouldn't build for 11.10, and it was changed to apper I thought, by dantti from kde
[01:04] <BarkingFish> apparently, micahg - it IS muon
[01:04] <BarkingFish> and that disappoints me no end, because muon is a royal pain in the backside :)
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[16:10] <oscalation> i have some old questions that are still in open status, i want to know if i should be promoting or asking the user if the issue is resolved and to change the status from open to solved .. or to provide further info.
[18:08] <hexmode> is qastaging the same as staging?
[18:13] <tumbleweed> no, but it is also useable as a playground
[18:15] <hexmode> tumbleweed: do the staging sites get rolled back regularly?
[18:15] <tumbleweed> staging does, the others, I think less regularly
[18:15] <hexmode> tumbleweed: I'm trying to recommend we do something similar for Wikimedia so we have a better way to test things
[18:16] <hexmode> tumbleweed: who could I talk to that knows how the sites are set up?
[18:16] <tumbleweed> there are 3 copies I know of. dogfood for testing new things, qastaging for QA approving each change, and staging for users to play with
[18:17] <hexmode> dogfood is .dev?
[18:17] <hexmode> didn't there used to be .dev.launchpad.net?
[18:18] <tumbleweed> dunno. /me isn't alaunchpad dev, just a user :)
[18:18] <tumbleweed> dev.launchpad.net is a wiki
[18:18] <hexmode> yeah, but IIRC, a couple of years ago it wasn't
[18:19] <tumbleweed> I think most devs have their own dev environments
[18:20] <tumbleweed> hexmode: have you seen the dashboard? http://lpqateam.canonical.com/
[19:09] <dobey> hexmode: there is a thing for setting up a launchpad dev environment locally, which involves pointing launchpad.dev at <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:11] <hexmode> k, saw the hostname in a changelog and wondered
[19:11] <hexmode> tumbleweed: we have something similar to that dashboard but that isn't really what I'm thinking about
[19:12] <hexmode> tumbleweed: see "Back-end upgrade problems" here http://hexm.de/cj for what I'm currently thinking about
[19:13] <hexmode> was thinking staging.lp was similar to what we wanted.
[19:30] <skomorokh> trying to help out on a bug, not sure how to create an account or login on launchpad with my existing openid? it's tricky to google as launchpad is also an openid provider...
[19:32] <skomorokh> or it's ONLY a provider and not a consumer, i need to create an account at launchpad also?
[19:36] <skomorokh> aha! found it. indeed, openid provided but not accepted, like facebook, google, etc.
[20:37] <lifeless> skomorokh: we will eventually acccept it
[21:47] <colon_D> can anyone help with setting up an automated PPA build?
[21:48] <colon_D> i have a project in GIT that i use some debian packaging rules to build a PPA and wanted to automate that for periodic builds
[21:49] <colon_D> i see some projects doing nightly builds and assume they have some way of doing that easily
[21:51] <Ampelbein> colon_D: Have a read of https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes
[21:52] <Ampelbein> or rather start at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/GettingStarted
[21:55] <colon_D> Ampelbein: Thanks, so I guess I setup a "mirror" branch to the git repo and build a "bzr-builder recipe"
[21:56] <Ampelbein> yah
[21:56] <colon_D> cool.
[23:34] <psusi> is there a way to report a bug comment as spam?
[23:36] <hloeung> psusi: got a link to the comment?


[20:14] <waigani> menn0: hangout?
[20:14] <menn0> waigani: yep :) standup?
[20:14] <waigani> menn0: yep, still in there
[20:45] <waigani> menn0: lost you
[20:49] <menn0> is anyone from QA around?
[20:49] <menn0> it looks like bug 1409141 is fixed but needs to be updated to unblock merges
[20:49] <mup> Bug #1409141: TestSetEntitiesAnnotation fails on ppc64el <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Committed by anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409141>
[21:03] <menn0> thumper: review for http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/697/ pls
[21:09] <hazmat> ericsnow, smoser had some thoughts, but nutshell is interface to the plugin (rpc form or shell exec) and packaging the plugin for distribution to servers
[21:39]  * thumper is back and looking at reviews
[23:57] <menn0> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/697/ updated


[00:29] <fructose> Is there a way to get the Plasma clock to show the long date without the year?
[00:39] <thiam> Hello guys
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[03:40] <IrcsomeBot1> Idoytea was added by: Idoytea
 Hallo … I am trying boot liveCD kubuntu but stuck on boot with strip sign, I was try nomodeset and acpi off … I am using asus x453 with HDD MBR, itel celleron + intel HD and 2GB ram
[04:13] <tomreyn> Idoytea: still there?
 @tomreyn, Yes
[04:13] <tomreyn> 2GB isn't a lot, may not be anough for kubuntu
[04:13] <tomreyn> maybe lubuntu or something would make your system happier
 @tomreyn, My laptop installed mint mate 19.1 not problem with 2 GB
[04:15] <tomreyn> ubuntu mate would also work, i guess
[04:15] <tomreyn> but that's not kde
[04:16] <tomreyn> generally, we only support kubuntu, so ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package installed (and thus a kde desktop), here.
[04:16] <tomreyn> i can only find Asus X453MA, not X453
 @tomreyn, yes 453ma
 I also tried live CDs for KDEneon results as well and stuck on logo, but I am tried linux mint KDE runing normally
[04:21] <tomreyn> maybe they build their cd's differently
[04:21] <tomreyn> i think there is some zram option you can pass to make it boot on low spec hardware. but i don't rmeember the exact setting and can't seem to find it
[04:22] <tomreyn> what you can do is install a minimal server, and then install the "kubuntu-desktop" package
 even though I really want to use kubuntu, maybe I will try another distro
[04:33] <tomreyn> IrcsomeBot1: see tzhe above workaround i suggested
[04:33] <tomreyn> Idoytea: ^
 @tomreyn, where do I start? Or I just install it?
[04:39] <tomreyn> Idoytea: you make sure you have an ethernet (wired) network connection, then install ubuntu-server, then reboot and login and "sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop"
 @tomreyn, Yesterday I am try install kubuntu desktop on linux mint but setting KDE not installed then I remove KDE again
[04:42] <tomreyn> i see
 @Idoytea, This may be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY83eBpnivc
[07:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:56] <isomari> greetings, even though I have set "offer shutdown options" on systemsettings5, I still don't have any option for desktop right-click->leave other than logout. What am I missing?
[12:24] <oliverl> @all Does somebody got a RX 590 graphics card working under Kubuntu 18.04.2 with Kernel 4.18?
[12:30] <oliverl> Without using either "nomodeset" or "amdgpu.dpm=0" as kenel parameter I only get a blank screen
[12:32] <oliverl> I tried Padokas ppa as well as the oibaf ppa. Also the original AMD drivers do not build
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Does Kubuntu have a Matrix channel?
[14:35] <lordievader> Anarchotaoist: Yes and no. This IRC channel is bridged to Matrix: #kubuntu:kde.org or #freenode_#kubuntu:matrix.org
[14:35]  * lordievader waves from Matrix
[15:23] <DanaKil> hello, I'm trying the Serializer component. I have an object with a "Contact" entity as a propert and so, my serialized json is something like:
[15:23] <DanaKil> {"friend":{"id":2, "name": ... }
[15:23] <DanaKil> but when I unserialize it, the id of my deserialized object is still "null"
[15:24] <DanaKil> "name" and the other properties are good. Any id why my id is not set in the unserialized Contact data ?
[15:26] <DanaKil> oups oups, wrong channel of course, sorry guys :)
[16:14] <Katnip> in konsole, when i enter something, even sudo, it keeps adding an 's' on the end and i cannot rid of it. any clue on this?
[19:03] <RustyRaptor> Hi
[19:03] <RustyRaptor> What is the current equivalent to gksudo in KDE?
[19:03] <RustyRaptor> I tried kdesudo and kdesu but neither are working and neither show up in apt search
[19:04] <RustyRaptor> I do see kde-cli-tools but they are installed.
[19:50] <mort> hey - I changed my locale to be in the "region" en_US, but with british (en_GB) numbers/time/measurement, and norwegian currency. As a result, the various env vars (LANG, LC_TIME, LC_MEASUREMENT, etc.) are set mostly correctly - but LC_ALL is set to en_US, which overwrites all the other options. What's going on here?
[20:20] <Guest62934> hi
[20:21] <HP> hi
[21:02] <fer_> '
[21:25] <walsulla> need help setting up dual monitor in Kubuntu  18.04.1
[21:25] <walsulla> ?
[21:26] <walsulla> when I look into settings -->display ..I dont see my monitors listed
[22:27] <user|18732> Dear friends,
[22:27] <user|18732> since I installed Kubuntu 18.04 on my DELL E5450, the SD Card Reader does not work.
[22:29] <user|18732> After several trials (installing the newest Kernel) at least for lspci prints out my SD card reader
[22:30] <user|18732> 01:00.0 SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01)
[22:31] <user|18732> But no SD card is found, when inserted.
[22:31] <user|18732> Can anybody help me, please?
[22:53] <fructose> Is there some guide somewhere for how to use the openconnect plugin in the Network widget? It doesn't even seem to do basic error reporting.


[07:51] <Zachk18> hi glatzor_
[08:32] <mdke> morning all
[16:08] <cumulus007> Why are documentation strings still changing while the documentation freeze has been active for a couple of days now?
[16:09] <cumulus007> that shouldn't happen
[16:11] <jjesse> i know there have been some freeze exceptions made
[16:20] <cumulus007> jjesse: of coure, I forgot about the exceptions
[21:53] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, congratulations on being re-elected to the CC
[22:34] <dsas> yes, congrats mdke. kutgw
[23:10] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: dsas: thanks I'm very pleased
[23:12] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, just talking with some beginners team guys right now, i think i'll send them in here to say hi
[23:12] <mdke> great stuff
[23:12] <jpds> mdke: Congrats.
[23:12] <mdke> I'm afraid I can't hang around long for now but definitely welcome them
[23:12] <mdke> jpds: :)
[23:12] <lukjad007> Hey mdke, congrats :)
[23:13] <mdke> hi lukjad007
[23:13] <lukjad007> Hey
[23:25] <starcraftman> mdke, congrats on the re-election boss. Well deserved for all your hard work. :)
[23:56] <Saj0577> how do i redirect a page to another page on the wiki/
[23:56] <Saj0577> ?
[23:57] <Rocket2DMn> Saj0577, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnProcessingInstructions
[23:57] <Saj0577> cheers
[23:57] <Rocket2DMn> #REDIRECT for internal redirects, #REFRESH for redirecting to external pages
[23:58] <Saj0577> or should i move the ocntents of my page? cos i created it as Saj0577 not saj0577
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> it's up to you, it's a personal page


[01:26] <tgm4883> Looking at this page seems to indicate there's still a linux-realtime kernel, but I can't seem to find it anywhere (all it says is to see the unofficial backports section. Is this something that still exists?
[01:26] <tgm4883> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[03:21] <OvenWerks> tgm4883: this is true, there is no RT kernel in the ubuntu distro. Most of the RT patches have been folded into the mainline Kernel. The low latency kernel is quite close to the RT kernel while still able to use the same graphics drivers as the generic kernel.
[13:56] <tgm4883> OvenWerks: ok. I'll look for other ways to reduce xruns, already running low latency
[15:07] <OvenWerks> tgm4883: what kind of audio device do you have? USB devices often can be more stable just by changing the port it is plugged into.
[16:03] <tgm4883> OvenWerks: I've got a UMC1820 and a Thinkpad t450s
[16:08] <tgm4883> I don't get  a ton, and this laptop's sole purpose is for audio, but it is pretty staticy when I get multiple people talking