[00:00] <Kasm279> :D
[00:01] <Kasm279> will someone help with this?:
[00:01] <Kasm279> i installed the synaptics touchpad driver, but i cant find it in apps or in the   system settings :/
[00:01] <Kasm279> D:
[00:02] <Kasm279> Cyclist2, right click on an image file
[00:03] <Cyclist2> ok...
[00:03] <Kasm279> point to "open with"
[00:03] <Kasm279> and lick "other"
[00:03] <Kasm279> click**
[00:03] <Kasm279> select eye of gnome/image viewer
[00:04] <Kasm279> check the box "remember this association"
[00:04] <Kasm279> and click ok
[00:04] <Kasm279> !touchpad
[00:04] <Kasm279> !thank you
[00:05] <d3jake> I just tried to upgrade from Kubuntu 6.06LTS to 8.08(I think that's it....) through the package manager after adding the hardy repos. After the download finished it started to install\upgrade the packages, it stopped at installing libc6, when I clicked on "Show Details" in Adept it showed a blue background with a window tell me that some running processes using NSS need to be restarted "otherwise they might not be able to lookup or authentication any more
[00:05] <d3jake>  manual stopping and restart after the glibc upgrade by yourself is xdm" I can't click on either option (OK, or no), or use the keyboard to select either one. What should I do?
[00:05] <Cyclist2> Kasm279, what did you mean by 'click**'?
[00:05] <d3jake> I would just install the newer version but the optical drive in this laptop doesn't like newer versions of Kuuntu for some reason.
[00:05] <Kasm279> typo in prevois line
[00:06] <Kasm279> i said "lick"
[00:06] <Cyclist2> I cannot find Eye of Gnome/Image Viewer anywhere in the known applications...
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> !info eog
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> Cyclist2: this is kubuntu so you will install all the gtk deps you dont already have
[00:10] <Cyclist2> is there any way I can enter a string of text in the top box of that menu [pointing to the location of the 'executable' of Eye of Gnome]? if yes, can anyone write it here for me, please?
[00:10] <Kasm279> i installed the synaptics touchpad driver, but i cant find it in apps or in the   system settings :/
[00:10] <Kasm279> did you do wat i said?
[00:12] <Kasm279> i installed the synaptics touchpad driver, but i cant find it in apps or in the   system settings :/
[00:13] <Kasm279> i installed the synaptics touchpad driver, but i cant find it in apps or in the   system settings :/
[00:14] <Kasm279> help!
[00:14] <p_quarles> Kasm279: be patient; help doesn't happen instantly here
[00:15] <p_quarles> Kasm279: what's the name (exact) of the package you installed?
[00:15] <jamesjedimaster> if it is a driver, i guess it shouldn't appear as an application
[00:16] <Kasm279> just a sec here
[00:16] <jamesjedimaster> but in the settings of the mouse configuration
[00:16] <Kasm279> its not there!
[00:16] <Kasm279> D:
[00:16] <Cyclist2> Kasm279, do you find that program in Graphics [where it should be]? because I cannot...; I see programs that were installed afterwards, I see programs I did not know I had...! but a basic image viewer like Eye of Gnome is left out...: why? but if I switch to Nautilus ou Gnome Commander there it is...!
[00:16] <Kasm279> hm
[00:17] <Kasm279> clic "other" in the sselect app dialog
[00:18] <Cyclist2> I did
[00:18] <Kasm279> in the pop up box?
[00:18] <Kasm279> no, wait its "browse"
[00:19] <Cyclist2> I went through all the known applications and I just cannot find the program anywhere in that list...
[00:19] <Cyclist2> ok...
[00:19] <Cyclist2> [Open File Dialog?]; done
[00:20] <Kasm279> in the browse window, go to root/usr/bin
[00:21] <Kasm279> you should find the Eye of gnome executable there
[00:23] <Cyclist2> doing it; it may take a while...
[00:23] <tsimpson> Kasm279: it's not root/usr/bin, it's just /usr/bin
[00:23] <Kasm279> ok, filesystem/usr/bin
[00:23] <tsimpson> nope, just /usr/bin
[00:23] <tsimpson> there is only '/'
[00:23] <p_quarles> Kasm279: what you want is gsynaptics; that's the configuration application; make sure that's installed
[00:23] <Kasm279> i meand "root" as the root of the drive
[00:24] <tsimpson> Kasm279: yes, that's '/'
[00:24] <Kasm279> ok
[00:24] <tsimpson> there is nothing else, but '/', that's the starting point
[00:24] <Kasm279> but it didnt really matter
[00:24] <jamesjedimaster> but it's confusing
[00:24] <tsimpson> Kasm279: it does if I have a folder in my current directory called "root" and do "cd root/usr/bin" ;)
[00:25]  * Kasm279 eats a peep
[00:25] <Kasm279> ok
[00:25] <tsimpson> it's just less ambiguous if you just use '/' to mean "the root of the directory tree"
[00:26]  * Kasm279 continues eating said peep
[00:27] <Kasm279> !you
[00:27] <Kasm279> :D
[00:28] <Kasm279> eeerm, i find nothing for "ksynaptics"
[00:29] <p_quarles> Kasm279: gsynaptics
[00:30] <Kasm279> oh
[00:30] <Kasm279> thats wat i installed and cant find
[00:30] <Kasm279> D:
[00:32] <gigasoft> i have installed compiz in kubuntu, but it just do not work
[00:32] <gigasoft> ?
[00:32] <gigasoft> any help?
[00:33] <Cyclist2> no luck...
[00:34] <Cyclist2> searched high and low and the only file that may be answer to this is named as 'eog'...; does it ring a bell?
[00:35] <Kasm> aargh
[00:35] <Kasm> wifi hiccup
[00:36] <Kasm> did i miss anything past me saying D:
[00:36] <Kasm> !synaptics
[00:37] <p_quarles> Kasm279: type "gsynaptics" into a terminal then
[00:37] <Kasm> ok
[00:39] <Kasm> p_quarels:
[00:39] <Kasm> (gsynaptics:7261): Gtk-WARNING **: libbonoboui-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:39] <Kasm> (gsynaptics:7261): Gtk-WARNING **: libbonoboui-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:39] <Kasm> D:
[00:40] <Kasm> !konsole
[00:41] <p_quarles> Kasm: you will need to set up a dbus rule allowing shared memory
[00:42] <p_quarles> Kasm: specifically, do the following:
[00:42] <p_quarles> 1) kdesudo kate /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi
[00:44] <p_quarles> 2) paste this into that file: http://pastebin.com/m6c3eec4b
[00:44] <Kasm> The file /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi could not be loaded, as it was not possible to read from it.
[00:44] <Kasm> Check if you have read access to this file.
[00:44] <Kasm> D:
[00:44] <p_quarles> (the contents of that pastebin)
[00:44] <p_quarles> Kasm: 1) did you enter the command exactly as I said? 2) don't clutter the channel with lines that are nothing but smileys
[00:45] <Kasm> i copied and pasted your line D:
[00:45] <p_quarles> Kasm: type "which kdesudo" and tell me the result
[00:46] <Cyclist2> Kasm, I discovered the right file but tell me if it could have been made any more difficult to us end user by Gnome: I started looking [innocently enough] for 'eye of gnome' or 'image viewer'; in despair I employed <locate> from the CLI: nothing...; in a hunch I used a file there existent with ONLY 3 letters as a name and it worked!
[00:46] <Kasm> "/usr/bin/kdesudo"
[00:47] <Cyclist2> for your general knowledge the program Eye of Gnome [or Image Viewer] is kept at the following location: /usr/bin/eog
[00:47] <Kasm> ok
[00:47] <Kasm> i was almost at the right directory
[00:48] <p_quarles> Kasm: hmm; try  sudo nano /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi
[00:48] <Kasm279> there we go!
[00:48] <Kasm279> sudo nano /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi
[00:49] <Kasm279> right?
[00:50] <Kasm279> ok, i got it
[00:50] <Kasm279> no wut?
[00:50] <gigasoft> i want to delete some files but i do not have permission how can i do it?
[00:50] <p_quarles> paste that file I uploaded to pastebin.com
[00:50] <gigasoft> any help?
[00:50] <jamesjedimaster> gigasoft: sudo rm -r file_to_delete
[00:51] <jamesjedimaster> sorry, it's not -f but -f
[00:51] <gigasoft> is the other way
[00:51] <Cyclist2> I have now entered that path in the appropriate box and selected it to be my default image viewer [I still need to do it to each and every image sort: jpg, gif, bmp, etc., but it is worth it]; thank you, Kasm279 for the willingness to help
[00:51] <gigasoft> because i have lot of files and folders to delete
[00:52] <gigasoft> ?
[00:52] <george> how hard would it be to upgrade my kubuntu to ubuntu studio
[00:52] <george> ?
[00:52] <jamesjedimaster> gigasoft: sudo rm -rf files_and_directories
[00:52] <gigasoft> thanks
[00:52] <Kasm279> np, Cyclist2
[00:52] <gigasoft> :)
[00:52] <gigasoft> man
[00:52] <jamesjedimaster> -r for recursive into dirs, -f to force deletion
[00:53] <Kasm279> p_quarels, i pasted it
[00:53] <Kasm279> now wut?
[00:55] <Kasm279> p_quarles, i pasted it
[00:55] <Kasm279> now wut?
[00:55] <p_quarles> save it, quit nano, and restart ahl
[00:55] <p_quarles> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[00:55] <Kasm279> ahl?
[00:55] <p_quarles> hal
[00:56] <Kasm279> ok, how do i save?
[00:57] <Kasm279> p_quarles: how do i save?
[00:57] <p_quarles> ctrl-x
[00:58] <gigasoft> is home folder any important
[00:59] <gigasoft> i just deleted it
[00:59] <gigasoft> ?
[00:59] <gigasoft> all'
[00:59] <gigasoft> ?
[00:59] <gigasoft> HELP
[00:59] <gigasoft> ?
[00:59] <Kasm279> UNDO IT!
[00:59] <Kasm279> or no logging in!
[00:59] <gigasoft> there is no undo it
[00:59] <gigasoft> :(
[01:00] <Kasm279> ctrl + z
[01:00] <Kasm279> or look in the trash
[01:00] <gigasoft> sudo rm -rf /home/gigasoft
[01:00] <gigasoft> uh
[01:00] <gigasoft> ok
[01:00] <gigasoft> then
[01:00] <gigasoft> than
[01:00] <gigasoft> bye all
[01:01] <gigasoft> i love you all
[01:01] <gigasoft> i'll miss you
[01:01]  * Kasm279 ?!?!?!?!?!
[01:01] <gigasoft> :(
[01:01] <Kasm279> do you have another account?
[01:01] <LjL> gigasoft: you're not funny
[01:01] <gigasoft> no
[01:01] <Kasm279> (on the PC)
[01:01] <gigasoft> no
[01:01] <Kasm279> root : root
[01:01] <Kasm279> try that
[01:02] <gigasoft> just a ces
[01:02] <gigasoft> sec.
[01:02] <Kasm279> of administrator : yourpass
[01:02] <Kasm279> or*
[01:03] <gigasoft> The program 'root' is currently not installed
[01:03] <Kasm279> not in terminal
[01:03] <Kasm279> login
[01:03] <nuria> hello
[01:03] <Kasm279> loginnn
[01:03] <Kasm279> login
[01:03] <gigasoft> You can install it by typing:
[01:03] <gigasoft> apt-get install root-system-bin
[01:04] <nuria> enter in adept
[01:04] <Kasm279> no, ROOT ACCOUNT
[01:04] <nuria> ah ok
[01:05] <Kasm279> LjL, wat was that?
[01:05] <LjL> Kasm279: he's trolling, and you're actually helping him as if he were for real...
[01:07] <genii> LjL: "jamesjedimaster" told him the not-to-be-repeated command, I don't think he was trolling
[01:07]  * Kasm279 messes around with an electronics kit from the 80's
[01:07] <LjL> genii: doesn't look like he every told him to remove *his home directory*, but merely hinted to the existence of -r and -f options...
[01:08] <LjL> genii: anyway, i banned mainly because i got a random "shut up" in PM.
[01:08] <LjL> (and i do think he was trolling)
[01:08] <genii> LjL: OK, so not just one prob there then
[01:09] <Kasm279> maybe wrong person?
[01:09] <Kasm279> never mind....
[01:11]  * Kasm279 is away being a photographer
[01:16]  * Kasm279 is back
[01:16] <Kasm279> :D
[01:16] <tsimpson> please don't use noisy away messages
[01:17] <Kasm279> "noisy"?
[01:17] <tsimpson> * Kasm279 is away being a photographer
[01:17] <tsimpson> that's noisy
[01:17] <Kasm279> no, this is
[01:17] <tsimpson> look, I'll type /away
[01:18] <tsimpson> see, no noise
[01:18] <tsimpson> and now back
[01:18]  * Kasm279 IS AWAY DOING SOMETHING YOU DONT CARE ABOUT
[01:18] <tsimpson> hem
[01:18] <tsimpson> !away > Kasm279
[01:18] <Kasm279> busy?
[01:19] <tsimpson> it's channel rules
[01:19] <genii> Kasm279: If you read the pm from the bot it explains why \
[01:19] <Kasm279> really busy in here....
[01:19] <genii> Kasm279: Also it's rude
[01:20] <tsimpson> here's a direct warning, if you disregard our channel rules then you won't be able to use the channel
[01:21]  * tsimpson looses faith in humanity sometimes
[01:21] <Ownatik_> Hi, How do I update an installation I made with a .bin file?
[01:22] <tsimpson> depends on what you installed
[01:22] <Ownatik_> Qt
[01:22] <Ownatik_> creator
[01:23] <tsimpson> Ownatik: then you should uninstall it and install the latest .bin
[01:23] <tsimpson> or use the jaunty package (if you're on jaunty)
[02:07] <george> how hard would it be to upgrade from kubuntu to ubuntu studio?
[02:08] <mackindale> Hey
[02:08] <mackindale> What's up? =^]
[02:10] <mackindale> so it's kind of quiet...
[02:10] <george> how hard would it be to upgrade from kubuntu to ubuntu studio?
[02:12] <genii> george: "upgrade" is not neccesarily the correct term here.... however, perhaps ask them in #ubuntustudio about how to install it
[02:13] <mackindale> ok so, I'm on a laptop and want to remap a key
[02:13] <mackindale> how do I o this?
[02:13] <mackindale> Also, it's the Fn key and doesn't show up in xev
[02:15] <genii> mackindale: xmodmap is the usual way but if not showing a keycode then could be problemmatic
[02:15] <mackindale> no, I'm sure it's not a problem
[02:15] <mackindale> well, it might be, but I just installed Kubuntu today
[02:16] <mackindale> on a brand new laptop
[02:17] <genii> mackindale: Hopefully there is someone knowledgeable on xmodmap to assist, this is not my strong area. Google may also be informative. Did you check yet the laptop testing wiki for notes on your model?
[02:17] <tsimpson> you can't remap the Fn key, it's not sent to the system, but you can remap the result of Fn+AnotherKey
[02:17] <mackindale> oh
[02:17] <mackindale> well that's too bad
[02:18] <mackindale> it gets in the way of the ctrl key
[02:18] <tsimpson> Fn is interpreted by the BIOS, unlike shift/crtl etc
[02:18] <mackindale> thought so
[02:18] <tsimpson> at least, that's how it is on my laptop
[02:19] <mackindale> mhm
[02:20] <tsimpson> mackindale: there may be people who know for sure in #xorg
[02:22] <mackindale> ok
[02:22] <mackindale> I'll ask there
[02:28] <lorecaster> when ubuntu9.04 comes out, i'll want to format my current system to get rid of all the tinkering i've been doing with 8.10, and start fresh... in a windows environment, i would like to make an extra partition to store all my file data... using partition magic... is there an easy way to do that in linux?
[02:33] <genii> Too bad. They left before I returned and saw their Q which I had some assistance for.
[02:33] <geoff270> in win use win device manager to create a windows partiton, then reboot to ubuntu, use gparted to create a ext3 partition there, format, etc, then move your data there, including your home dir(save for future use, in case of trouble, and to help det up new ubuntu system, @ mail, etc)
[02:54] <eross> grr.. i wasn't paying attention to my package update tool in kde 4.2 - I removed half my stuff, had to reinstall pidgin, gimp, etc.. and now have to figure out how to get kde back
[02:59] <eross> what's an easy way to reinstall the latest stable kde 4.2?
[03:01] <coreymon77> hi guys
[03:01] <coreymon77> slight issue with mounting a floppy disk
[03:02] <coreymon77> so i did sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[03:02] <coreymon77> and that seemed to work
[03:02] <coreymon77> when i went to the directory, there was one text file on it
[03:03] <genii> coreymon77: Good, that means it was succesful
[03:03] <coreymon77> which, even though it is 52.2 kb seems to be empty
[03:03] <jason_froebe> coreymon77 - were you expecting more files?
[03:03] <coreymon77> even though i know that it is not an empty file
[03:04] <coreymon77> and when i try to copy it, it says cannot read file
[03:04] <genii> eross: I think the /topic has some link on the kde 4.2.2 subject worth looking into
[03:04] <coreymon77> so, what is going on here?
[03:05] <genii> coreymon77: Likely you want to use some option like   -o users             with the mount option
[03:05] <jason_froebe> coreymon77 - bad floppy?  did you try fsck.msdos -v /dev/fd0?
[03:05] <coreymon77> i'm viewing as root btw
[03:06] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: ill pastebin the results
[03:08] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: www.coreymon77.pastebin.ca/1392387
[03:08] <coreymon77> thats weird
[03:09] <coreymon77> that should owrd
[03:09] <coreymon77> work*
[03:09] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: http://coreymon77.pastebin.ca/1392387
[03:10] <eross> umm it's not much help, i dont want to compile it. I even have .KDE4 directory left over, dont know what happened but think the update displayer and when I hit update somehow I removed a bunch of packages including kde4
[03:10] <coreymon77> what does that mean?
[03:10] <jason_froebe> one sec
[03:11] <jason_froebe> coreymon77 - try remounting it...  there is something on the disk
[03:17] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: same commans as i used before?
[03:17] <jason_froebe> yup - unmount it then mount it -
[03:22] <jkfresh> howdy folks
[03:23]  * genii hands jkfresh a coffee and waits for the problem description
[03:24] <jkfresh> heh well I do have an issue, but googling has not found a solution.. My plan was to idle here and watch the chatter :)
[03:24]  * jkfresh hands genii a pepsi max
[03:25] <genii> jkfresh: Heh, thanks... I'll stick to my coffee though :)
[03:25] <genii> jkfresh: If you state your prob there *may* be someone who knows an approach, can't hurt anyhow
[03:27] <jkfresh> heh well okay then.. Does anybody know if I can or how I can set a time limit before NUT shuts down my server when the power goes out? I already have it set up, and NUT is communicating with my UPS, but when I test it my server does not shut down gracefully.
[03:27] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: same thing happened
[03:27] <genii> jkfresh: That might be a good Q for #ubuntu-server
[03:27] <genii> (a lot of them there use NUT and similar)
[03:28] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: the text file is still blank, and copying still gives me a cannot read error
[03:29] <jkfresh> genii I was thinking that. I guess I connected here because I run kubuntu on my desktop, and that's where Konversation goes by default
[03:30] <jason_froebe> coremon77 - me thinking it is the floppy disk that just doesn't have more than that one file.  what happens when you try the disk in another machine
[03:30] <jkfresh> I am running 8.04.2 on the server, though :)
[03:30] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: this is the only machine with a floppy drive :P
[03:30] <genii> coreymon77: What is the *EXACT* error message?
[03:31] <coreymon77> when copying?
[03:31] <coreymon77> "could not read file /media/floppy0/spetgang.txt"
[03:32] <jason_froebe> coreymon77 - how about ls -l /media/floppy0/spetgang.txt ?
[03:33] <genii> coreymon77: And if you did: dmesg          does it have any indications of I/O errors, or such? (Don't paste here into the channel though)
[03:33] <coreymon77> genii: look at my cloak, if i managed to get that, i think i know to use a pastebin :P
[03:34] <jkfresh> can anybody tell me how to power my server down the moment power goes out? I already have nut installed, and it is communicating successfuly with my UPS. The system has not powered down gracefully when I remove the mains power
[03:34] <genii> coreymon77: I try not to be misunderstood, it has happened before :)
[03:35] <coreymon77> genii: im a kubuntu member, and i got earned membership primarily through helping on irc, so i understand your intentions
[03:35] <coreymon77> i know the situations ;)
[03:35] <coreymon77> i'm gonna log onto irc with my linux box
[03:36] <coreymon> jason_froebe: -rwxr-xr-x 1 coreymon coreymon 53456 2005-05-09 18:46 /media/floppy0/spetgang.txt
[03:37] <coreymon77> genii: plenty of i/o errors with dmesg
[03:38] <genii> coreymon77: Bad floppy then
[03:38] <jason_froebe> coreymon77 - could be a bad disk, dirty floppy drive heads, etc
[03:38] <jason_froebe> try on another server if you can
[03:38] <coreymon77> cant, this is the only computer with a floppy drive in my house
[03:39] <jason_froebe> understood - can you read another floppy?  if so you might be able to retrieve the file using ddrescue
[03:40] <coreymon77> i will try another floppy
[03:40] <genii> coreymon77: As jason_froebe suggests. Also you could try something like:  sudo dd if=/dev/fd0 of=~/somebackupname.img       then loopmount the image and try from there
[03:41] <jason_froebe> I'd recommend ddrescue in lieu of dd as ddrescue handles i/o errors better :)
[03:41] <lacitcarp> hi folks.  the other night, i had installed and gotten working a brother hl-2140 printer.  after restarting and attempted printing, i get 'usr/bin/lpr: connection refused'
[03:41] <lacitcarp> any ideas what could have changed after restart?
[03:42] <jason_froebe> lacitcarp - is cups running?
[03:42] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: other floppys work perfectly
[03:43] <lacitcarp> well, i tried ps aux | grep cups and did not see it so perhaps not?
[03:43] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: how do i use ddrescue?
[03:44] <jason_froebe> coreymon77 - that's good :)  install ddrescue (aptitude install ddrescue) and run it with the line genii supplied replacing dd with ddrescue
[03:44] <jason_froebe> lacitcarp - probably not, you can start it with sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[03:45] <lacitcarp> jason_froebe: indeed!  now, I just need to have that start automatically, which I should be able to figure out
[03:46] <lacitcarp> thanks!
[03:46] <jason_froebe> lacitcarp - no problem: sudo update-rc.d cupsys defaults
[03:48] <coreymon77> jason_froebe: what the heck? the disk read perfectly fine this time
[03:48] <lacitcarp> one thing that is strange is the pages (pdfs) are completely off-center and even cut off.  where would i begin debugging this?
[03:49] <jason_froebe> coremon7 - sounds like dust or something in the disk case itself I think
[03:50] <coreymon77> w/e
[03:50] <coreymon77> it works now
[03:50] <jason_froebe> lacitcarp - maybe ##cups channel - they might send you somewhere else though
[03:53] <genii> lacitcarp: I'd suggest looking at how the problemmatic pdf files are being created, if they are DIY stuff fom converting or such. if they are ones someone else made, likely then something else like the margins being set in the printer ppd file or so
[03:56] <lacitcarp> ah, i got it.  it was kpdf thinking that my paper size was A4 by default :)
[03:56] <lacitcarp> and then not actually honoring the setting when i tried changing it with 'ok' - you need to click 'save'
[03:57] <meme> hola
[03:57] <jason_froebe> doh!  I should have thought of that .. ugh too little caffeine in the bloodstream
[03:58] <lacitcarp> it was the unsaved setting that got me confused
[04:00]  * genii slides jason_froebe a fresh coffee
[04:00] <jason_froebe> * thanks :)
[04:00] <genii> jason_froebe: Anytime
[04:02] <jason_froebe> trying to burp my month old son so I might not reply for a bit
[04:06] <jason_froebe> no burp so he's still loaded ;-)
[04:07] <AliTarihi> Hi anyone knows about adding google gadgets to KDE 4.2?
[04:10] <jason_froebe> I think there was an article in Linux Journal about a year ago on Google gadgets - other than that don't know much about 'em
[04:16] <tweakedeh> What one would be better.... Dell Wireless 1397 802.11g Half Mini-Card ..... Dell Wireless 1515 802.11 Wireless-N Mini-card ...... Intel WiFi Link 5100 802.11 Wireless-N Mini Card
[04:17] <jason_froebe> if your laptop is Dell, go with the 1515
[04:18] <tweakedeh> Any reason why?
[04:19] <tweakedeh> and yes my laptop is a dell, Every one in ##hardware is talking about cheese....
[04:19] <jason_froebe> 1) it will support 802.11n  2) I've had better luck with Dell nics in Dell laptops
[04:19] <tweakedeh> I see.
[04:19] <tweakedeh> Thanks jason_froebe
[04:20] <jason_froebe> np
[04:24] <chris0> so, how's the Intrepid update going? I'm trying to decide whether it's hung my (other) machine
[04:24] <CoJaBo> lol
[04:25] <chris0> yup. watching it do its thing through top via ssh
[04:25] <jason_froebe> night all - will be back on in the morning ('tis 10:30pm here)
[04:27] <genii> jason_froebe: G'nite
[04:31] <chris0> well, lessee if I just killed my brand-new kubuntu install...
[04:34] <chris0> Intrepid | fsck. It's KDE 4.1 and it screwed over my VNC server
[04:36] <chris0> on the bright side, it does now support 640x480 screen resolution which it wasn't doing before...
[04:52] <Barridus> hey all, i'm new to KDE and loving it.  just wish i could enable logins so they are always fresh sessions and not to reopen everything i had on shutdown.  i'm sure it's simple, but i'm blind apparently.  any help, folks?  :)
[04:53] <genii> Barridus: Look into Sessions area of System Settings
[04:54] <Barridus> oops, heh.  thanks genii :)
[04:55] <genii> Barridus: Anytime :)
[04:56] <Barridus> cheers
[05:04] <leeX> Hey all, is there anyway to set keyboard shortcuts in kde 4.2?
[05:05] <Dragnslicer> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse
[05:05] <leeX> I want to set a combo like alt-F7 to run a script, it does not seem to have a way to add new combinations for new commands
[05:11] <paolo> can anyone help me how to upgrade my firefox into the newest version?
[05:11] <thumper> paolo: what version is it?
[05:12] <thumper> paolo: the firefox upgrades should come through with the rest of the security updates
[05:15] <paolo> thumper:version 3
[05:16] <paolo> thumper ahhh..ic
[05:16] <paolo> thumper: thanks
[05:16] <thumper> how do you know that you aren't on the latest?
[05:50] <susbwoy> For some reason, facebook will not login using firefox in KDE, but in Konqueror, it will. Kubuntu 8.10
[05:50] <susbwoy> Just after an explanation
[05:54] <Ownatik> Hi, I accidently closed the desktop widget. How can I re-enable it?
[05:54] <Guest46047> yes i am
[05:55] <Guest46047> any workarounds for nvidia cards and plasma yet
[05:56] <Guest46047> um...is this thing on?
[05:57] <Guest46047> hey cathy
[05:58] <Guest46047> hey cathy
[06:10] <paolo> can anyone help me how to install flashplugin?
[06:11] <paolo> flashplayer rather
[06:11] <paolo> :D
[06:13] <genii> !flash
[06:22] <Supermetalfreak> !dapper
[06:22] <Supermetalfreak> Time to update, don't ya think
[06:26] <genii> Yeah, maybe :)
[06:27] <genii> However, Dapper is still supported. Especially server version until 2010
[06:54] <mintie> Hello
[07:00] <genii> !hi
[07:00] <genii> Bah
[07:00] <genii> I really need to pay more attention to the enter/exits.....
[07:00] <aga> they are just so quick... 15 seconds :p
[07:14] <usermake_> hello! how can i get the alternate cd installer (advance install) to detect and reuse my lvm on encrypted partition?
[07:15] <usermake_> i think it's called "expert"
[07:36] <paolo> thumper:
[07:36] <paolo> thumper:on facebook
[07:47] <anoncos> OK, guys... Kubuntu 9.04 beta is... quite frankly, beautiful
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> runs nice
[07:48] <anoncos> I have a question... if I install it now and start the two day process of getting everything I need installed on there, will I have to reinstall when the real release date is?
[07:48] <fosco_> no
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: no, you are using the same repos as the final release so you will upgrade into final with normal updating
[07:49] <anoncos> Oh God, I love you.
[07:49] <usermake_> anoncos: you will have to reinstall some packages
[07:49] <anoncos> usermake_: How will I know what I need to reinstall?
[07:49] <usermake_> anoncos: i just used your word. updates.
[07:49] <anoncos> Oh, nice
[07:49] <usermake_> anoncos: updating is enough
[07:50] <anoncos> Man... it's 2am and I'm thinking about installing it right now =/
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> about what?
[07:51] <ActionParsnip> installing beta is pretty ok, try a usb stick install first if you like. great way to test releases before comitting to a full upgrade
[07:52] <anoncos> Putting it on a VM on my main boxen
[07:53] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: not the same due to the vm using virtual hardware
[07:55] <anoncos> I have to run it in a VM unfortunately... :(  I need Windows for some network stuff I do.
[07:56] <macgarthur> hi everyone
[07:56] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: then its pointless as it may not like your system hardware but may run fine on the virtaulised hardware
[07:57] <ActionParsnip> !hi | macgarthur
[07:57] <macgarthur> anyone running ubuntu 8.10?
[07:57] <anoncos> Eh?
[07:57] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: in a vm, the hardware is virtualised
[07:57] <anoncos> I've already got the beta release installed.  I like it.  I will be running it in a VM in production
[07:58] <anoncos> Well, I'm going to get it ready so I can upgrade to the final release when the time comes
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: you may have hardware which is not jaunty friendly or may even work out of the box where it didnt previously
[07:58] <usermake_> macgarthur: you will find more people running ubuntu 8.10 on #ubuntu. this is #kubuntu.
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: virtualised hardware will  not show this fact
[07:59] <ActionParsnip> anoncos: oh i see, youve tested it. thats cool.
[07:59] <anoncos> And I'm fine with that.  lol.  I don't care if it doesn't like running natively on my computer, as I'll be using it in a VM   :
[07:59] <anoncos> :)
[08:03] <ActionParsnip> gotcha
[08:03] <ActionParsnip> we use VM here but they areall windows based
[08:19] <[-Haza-]> Morning folks. Can anyone recommend a good GUI based SCP client for Kubuntu?
[08:21] <Count> quick question, does anyone know of various kde programs crashing? ie, all of my 'kde' programs keep crashing, kate, konsole, (although kde4 version works) etc
[08:21] <Lindows> which version of kde are you using?
[08:21] <genii> [-Haza-]:  Yu can usually just do in dolphin or konqueror    fish://
[08:22] <Count> I have latest kde4 from the kubuntu repos, as well as 3.5 whatever it is
[08:22] <Count> the kde4 programs work, but the kde 3.5 ones are the ones that tend to crash
[08:23] <menax> hi
[08:23] <menax> got a question, I have just installed Kubuntu
[08:24] <Lindows> maybe somebody knows better than me, but I've never tried to run both kde 3.5 and 4 on the same machine, you might have dependency issues
[08:24] <menax> the speaker icons appears but when i tried to see a cideo with VLC or use amarok to play mp3 nothing is on the headphones, they are plugged
[08:24] <Lindows> where kde 3.5 is expecting something that isn't there because kde 4 got rid of it
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> menax: did you md5 check the iso you downloaded
[08:24] <[-Haza-]> genii: Ahh smart
[08:25] <genii> Count: The Jaunty KDE3.5 cd is highly experimental and no support is provided here. They *may* decide to help you in #ubuntu+1 (which is also #kubuntu+1 )
[08:25] <menax> I didn made the md5 but I have downloaded from th kubuntu webpage
[08:25] <Count> um, I have no idea what you're talking about genii
[08:26] <ActionParsnip> menax: maybe you have a bad disk, doesnt matter where its downloaded from,if the image has garbaged in transmission it is useless
[08:26] <menax> When I tried the live cd the sound was there
[08:27] <menax> but now with the install on hard dirve, the sound doesn output through my headphones, everything seems to be installed correctly on this installation
[08:27] <genii> Count: I misread a bit your comment and mis interpreted as that you had downloaded the Kubuntu 9.04 cd with KDE 3.5
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> menax: check your iso is ok first then we'llgo from there
[08:27] <marcelo> I installed a older version of LimeWire Pro and now I am trying to go back to the new version but when I try to install the package it gives me a error saying that they conflict with each other, and I can't figure out how to unistall the older version.  It is not listed in the package manager,  I am sort of new to Kubuntu Thanx for your help.
[08:27] <menax> this kubuntu has a md5 check to do it right now?
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> !md5
[08:28] <peaches> anyone know the gstreamer package that provides video/mp4 codec
[08:28] <menax> great, thanks!
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> menax: md5 ALL ISO files if there is an MD5 sum available
[08:28] <Lindows> marcelo, have you tried reinstalling the new version?
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> menax: data downloads are not always perfect,md5 can  be used to check
[08:30] <Lindows> like, if you are using synaptic, "mark for reinstallation"
[08:30] <menax> I have the iso on a external disk, how can i get there throw the console¿
[08:30] <marcelo> Lindows:  I have tryed it but it says :  "Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'limewire-pro'"
[08:31] <[-Haza-]> genii: Any idea how i can specify my own ssh key with fish://  ?
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> menax: connect the device, if it doesnt automount i can guide you
[08:31] <Lindows> try command line: apt-get remove limewire-pro
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> Lindows: apt-get needs sudo ;)
[08:33] <Lindows> ahh, yes
[08:33] <genii> [-Haza-]:  I think you want to look at package called keychain. I haven't tried this myself, however
[08:33] <Lindows> don't forget sudo
[08:33] <marcelo> Lindows: That did it,   thanks
[08:33] <[-Haza-]> genii: Thats good enough for me :)
[08:33] <menax> How do i get to my external drive through the Kosnole?
[08:33] <Lindows> awesome
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> menax: if you type: cd /media; ls
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> menax: you should see it mounted there if its automounted
[08:34] <genii> [-Haza-]:  There is a related type article on this at http://timothybowler.com/2009/01/20/ssh-and-automated-backup/ which I was just looking at, may help you
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> menax: if not it may need manually mounting
[08:34] <menax> :D it is, nice to understand how this works! Iḿ getting off of windows, tired of low responses and viruses ... etc
[08:35] <[-Haza-]> genii: Cheers! Just looking at it now
[08:35] <ActionParsnip> menax: is there a folder in /media ?
[08:35] <genii> Sorry not to be of more assistance, I require slep soon
[08:35]  * [-Haza-] needs a better all round development setup... typing in scp manually everytime he needs to upload is.. tough
[08:35] <[-Haza-]> genii: No worries :)
[08:35] <menax> there is two CD rom, one green rectangle and my extarnal drive (my book)
[08:36] <menax> that green box, has something but cannoit read, I got green over black
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> menax: ok then use   cd <folder name that represents your usb drive>
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> menax: and you are then accessing the device
[08:38] <menax> ok, this iso has the same md5 check has indicated on the hashes for jubuntu
[08:39] <menax> so my cd instalaltion is clean of errors
[08:39] <itai_> hi 2 questions= what is the default pdf reader on kubuntu and can i run konqueror in a different language in an english session?
[08:39] <Guest32339> Would anybody be able to help me with vmware server? I've installed vmware but I do not know how to start it up
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> ok thats good
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> menax: ok have you got full updates yet?
[08:40] <menax> yep, like 287 updates were installed
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> Guest32339: should be in the k menu
[08:41] <faLUCE> hi. I can't find khexedit anymore in the pkgs list.... any idea ?
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> menax: ok, run this command: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; lspci | pastebinit
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> !find hexed
[08:41] <ActionParsnip> !info hexedit
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> !find hex
[08:42] <Lindows> guest32339, i dont have any experience with vmware, but with kvm, you still have to install the OS you wish to virtualize, I'm guessing you do something similar
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> faLUCE: apt-cache search hex | less
[08:42] <faLUCE> ActionParsnip: I'm not searching for hexedit
[08:42] <menax> installing, what it is??
[08:42] <faLUCE> I'm searching Khexedit
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> menax: its a handy pastebin app  for putting multiple lines into a link for us to read
[08:43] <menax> ok it finish
[08:43] <itai_> Guest12637, i believe you can run it from terminal, vmserver or vmware-server or something like that, put vm and click tab twice see what comes up
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> menax: it will generate a url in konsole, copy / paste it here
[08:43] <menax> oh, ok got it
[08:43] <Guest32339> @Lindows It is not in k menu
[08:44] <Lindows> guest32339, tried under "lost and found" ?
[08:44] <menax> http://pastebin.com/f57d0f3f9
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> menax: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546931
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> menax: what is the output of   lsb_release -c
[08:48] <menax> codename: intrepid
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> ok thats fine
[08:49] <menax> sorry but how can i modify that file, i tried open it with dolphgin but then when save I haven wnough rights. sorry but i tried the windows mode :D
[08:49] <smiges> ы
[08:50] <menax> dolphin to get to the folder, kate to edit the file
[08:50] <genii> kdesudo dolphin
[08:51] <menax> and that command can only be run at console?
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> ts easier, there may be a k menu item for kdesudo but generally you wont e launching that command much in day to day actions
[08:52] <menax> well tried kdesudo dolphin, now it says it cannot run kate
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> menax: sudo apt-get install kate; kdesudo kate
[08:54] <menax> kate is already installed
[08:54] <menax> it works running kdesudo kate :D
[08:54] <menax> now that value is htere should I restart?
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> fine, the next command will execute regardless
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> as you see
[08:54] <ActionParsnip> menax: you need to open the file you need to edit
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> save the new file, reboot
[08:55] <menax> I have already edited the alsa-base, added the lne and save
[08:55] <genii> "Can't run kate" ??  Are you using KDE ?
[08:55] <menax> yep, is Kubuntu :D
[08:55] <menax> ok I will reboot
[08:55] <menax> see you soon
[08:56] <menax> what distro of ubuntu is better for a non linux ever user?
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> genii: it was already installed, seems weird. i ran the install kate to cover all bases
[08:56] <menax> Ubuntu or kubutnu, there are other interfaces as mythubuntu ior something like that, why so many?
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> menax: any except fluxbuntu (which is an unofficial release anyway)
[08:56] <menax> oh I see
[08:57] <menax> well going to reboot, thanks for the support :D
[08:57] <menax> Içm getting in love of this, windows puaj!
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> menax: its the same under the hood, just a different front usually or some different default features but all *buntus use the same repos so can easily be hybridded between
[08:57] <menax> nice
[08:57] <menax> see ya
[09:01] <menax> hi again
[09:01] <menax> still not sound, I hear like it tried to do it but just a sec of sound, nothing more
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> menax: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966013
[09:09] <lokai> Where do you change the desktop icon size in KDE 3.5?
[09:10] <lokai> Nevermind, found it. systemsettings->appearance->icons->advanced ^^
[09:20] <menax> ok
[09:20] <menax> got it work now
[09:20] <menax> I made it with only alsamixer
[09:21] <menax> the PCM volume was 0, i set it to max and now I got sound!!
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> sweet, wtg man
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> menax: make sure you are fully updated: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:24] <menax> ok run that commands
[09:24] <menax> nothing to install or update :D
[09:24] <menax> weird that was reported and still not working from scratch install?
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> well it was working, just very quietly
[09:26] <menax> yeah but how it willl be that PCM was set at 0
[09:26] <cuznt> sudo apt-get aspirin!
[09:26] <menax> well Iḿ happy it wasn so big the issue
[09:26] <menax> there is a GUI alsamixer for that¿
[09:28] <menax> well I think mthe mixer for default should control that, maybe I didn saw that before, i see in the mixer two front volumes :S
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> kmix
[09:29] <menax> yup that is the same I get with the speaker icon
[09:29] <menax> there is were I saw the two fron volumes
[09:29] <menax> maybe one of them is the PCM on alsamixer
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> maybe, have a play with the sliders, see what you find
[09:32] <menax> yup
[09:32] <menax> the PCM can be added to Kmix
[09:32] <menax> now I saw a commandline to save the alsamixer values, kmix needs something extra to save the settings on volume? o r just when I restart it saves automaticly the settings?
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> menax: afaik, it saves when you exit the app
[09:33] <menax> ok
[09:33] <menax> itś late here in Chile
[09:33] <menax> 4:30 AM
[09:33] <menax> got to work tomorrow 8:00 AM
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> nice
[09:34] <menax> this kubuntu doesn let me sleep itś amazing that I can do same things thatn in windows and itś faster :D
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> sounds like how i roll, have a nap at 3pm, you'll be fine
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> menax: its has a lower ram footprint than vista in most cases
[09:34] <menax> hey something extra, there is something needed to improve more the disk or system performance, taht maybe is disabled or not compatible just to check?
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> menax: you can reduce swappiness on the drive so its only used if necessary
[09:36] <Guest32339> Does anyone know how to install vmware on kubuntu?
[09:36] <menax> I got a little feel tahat itś not dast on some situations, compared to an old pentium 4 wih ubuntu. I think there is something strange on my installation
[09:37] <menax> http://www.somelifeblog.com/2008/08/installing-vmwareon-ubuntu-8x-vmware.html
[09:37] <cuznt> like no spyware strange? p0rn0 strange? or unwimdowz like strange
[09:38] <menax> LOL, nothing of that is a clean installation
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> !vmware
[09:38] <menax> it feels like Hard drive is wroikign too much, is a 160 GB Sata drive
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> menax: swappiness will reduce that, look into it after a sleep
[09:39] <menax> where is that, soory newbie :D
[09:41] <menax> !swap
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> menax: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255511&postcount=43
[09:41] <menax> shouls I look there?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> menax: if you have enough ram to hold your programs, 1Gb is enough for standard desktop, then swappiness of 0 to 10 will reduce disk usage
[09:43] <menax> great, how can i know what is already set?
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> not sure
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> i always set it off the bat so i couldnt tell you personally
[09:43] <dwidmann> cat /proc/swaps
[09:44] <menax> Filename                                Type            Size    UsedPriority
[09:44] <menax> /dev/sda5                               partition       1895628 0  -1
[09:48] <menax> it says use 0
[09:48] <menax> used
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> menax: well you arent really doing much right now
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> menax: leaveit as is and use your system, run the command occasionally to see whats going on
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> menax: if it never leaves o then you can set swappiness to something like 1 - 5 to reduce disk use
[09:50] <menax> ok, i see maybe need to tet more then
[09:50] <menax> well thatnks for all
[09:50] <menax> you gys rulez!
[09:50] <menax> bye!
[09:57] <wh806> hi
[10:00] <milan> ahoj
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> yo
[10:04] <anubhav> Anybody working on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/297976
[10:05] <bolt_> hi
[10:06] <bolt_> can you help me?
[10:06] <craiggb90> hi, upon login into kde4 it seems to take about a minute to log in,  it seems to be down to kde selecting the wrong audio device as it always comes up with a popup telling me it has failed and its switched to another, i was wondering if theres someway i can configure it to not even try those other devices,  it still seems to try them first even though i have set the one that does work to preferred, if not is there any way to re
[10:06] <craiggb90> move these devices from being loaded?
[10:07] <bolt_> i have a problom with flash player
[10:08] <bolt_> can anyone help me
[10:09] <anubhav> bolt_: atleast describe your problem
[10:09] <bolt_> flash player wont install at all
[10:10] <anubhav> you are downloading it from acrobat?
[10:10] <bolt_> yeah
[10:10] <anubhav> bolt_: it comes with a installation script
[10:11] <bolt_> tryed that
[10:11] <anubhav> bolt_: what is the error that you get
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: dont ask in both channels, you look silly
[10:12] <bolt_> instlation error
[10:12] <anubhav> bolt_: ASAIK the script just copies the .so
[10:13] <anubhav> bolt_: is it a permission issue?
[10:14] <bolt_> i don't know
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: download http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> I'll assume you use firefox like every other user
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> then extract the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> kill all firefoxes and rerun, job doe
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> *done
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> or if you want the full command:
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[10:19] <anubhav> bolt_: you can also try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[10:23] <bolt_> Ark keeps not responding when i type a full stop
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: you got flash now?
[10:24] <bolt_> err no
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: i gave you some instructions and a file link
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> ?
[10:24] <anubhav> bolt_: you can  type :tar xvzf libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[10:25] <bolt_> witch made my computer crash
[10:25] <anubhav> bolt_: that will extract the .so
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz; tar zxvf ./libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins; mv *.so ~/.mozilla/plugins; rm libflashplayer-<IP_ADDRESS>.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> 4 simple commands
[10:30] <bolt_> actionparsnip: this was the seccond time my computer crashed (once today, once yesterday) could it be that i still have hrdy stuff on my pc that does that?
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> bolt_: possibly. i dont know and you have no way of knowing either
[10:32] <bolt_> well that command di somthing , NOT
[10:34] <bolt_> well back to my remote control
[10:36] <bolt_> what do i do?
[10:38] <bolt_> actionparsnip: well , it exstracted now what
[10:39] <bolt_> actionparsnip: well , it exstracted now what
[10:40] <bolt_> actionparsnip: well , it exstracted now what
[10:41] <kyle_> Sorry to bug, Does any one know how i can rename a file in konsole
[10:44] <kyle_> from konsole
[11:00] <lokai> multiple desktops are fubar'd on my KDE 3.5. They simply do not work (settings always revert back to 1 desktop). Any ideas?
[11:02] <Tm_T> lokai: using Compiz?
[11:03] <lokai> Tm_T: Yes.
[11:03] <Tm_T> lokai: then it's up to Compiz to handle desktops (:
[11:03] <Tm_T> !compiz | lokai
[11:03] <lokai> Tm_T: Fubar's there also. Doesn't give me the option to set more than one desktop.
[11:04] <Tm_T> lokai: see what ubottu said, I have no idea about compiz
[11:04] <lokai> I'm using ccsm. The place where it has an option to set number of desktops won't let me put anything other than 1
[11:04] <lokai> ok
[11:18] <Barbadillo> hi all
[11:18] <Barbadillo> my xorg suddenly goes segfault
[11:20] <Barbadillo> i updated the nvidia driver to 180 as recommended
[11:21] <Barbadillo> and after that xorg does not start anymore
[11:22] <banktoy> dalnet
[11:22] <blip-> hi, anyone know when kde4.2 will move from the unsupported repos to main repos on jaunty 8.10 ?
[11:23] <Barbadillo> i can't believe an operating system after years of development is still totally unusable
[11:24] <Barbadillo> what the fuck can i do if xorg goes segfault
[11:24] <bazhang> Barbadillo, no cursing please
[11:24] <Barbadillo> there's no reason for that
[11:24] <bazhang> Barbadillo, which os 'is unusable'; please explain
[11:24] <Barbadillo> sorry i'm really upset
[11:25] <Barbadillo> xorg segfault
[11:25] <Barbadillo> bazhang: kubuntu suggest me to change the nvidia driver and after that no xorg at all
[11:26] <Barbadillo> i mean, don't suggest anything, let the user choose
[11:26] <Barbadillo> now i have to brake my head another time for hours
[11:26] <Barbadillo> i can't believe it
[11:27] <blip->  is it a bad idea to install the unsupported kde4.2 and then upgrade when it goes to the main ?   on 8.10
[11:27] <bazhang> blip-, are you crossposting?
[11:27] <Barbadillo> my os is totally fucked up
[11:27] <blip-> bazhang: yes I'm asking in here instead, since it's a kde question
[11:28] <Barbadillo> just because i followed a suggestion
[11:28] <bazhang> Barbadillo, stop with the language
[11:28] <blip-> Barbadillo: go back to windows then and stop whining
[11:28] <Barbadillo> blip-: i'm not using windows since 3.1 so shut up
[11:29] <bazhang> blip-, do you plan on upgrading to jaunty eventually?
[11:29] <bazhang> !coc > Barbadillo
[11:29] <blip-> bazhang: hmm I'm not sure, I guess I will but not before a few months
[11:29] <bazhang> blip-, no idea if it will go to main
[11:29] <blip-> bazhang: someone mentioned to me that 4.2 may never move out of unsupported on 8.10
[11:30] <blip-> given 8.10 is rather old
[11:30] <bazhang> blip-, aye that is true
[11:30] <blip-> I just upgraded from 8.04
[11:30] <dwidmann> It's not *that* old ... it's just not the shiny and new thing,and it's not lts ...
[11:30] <bazhang> blip-,  if 4.1 works for you, maybe stick with it
[11:30] <blip-> bazhang: so in general, does one expect things in the unsupported section to be less stable or less tested
[11:30] <bazhang> blip-, backports you mean?
[11:31] <blip-> bazhang: i'm not very familiar with the structure of the repos.  I had to enable unsupported updates to see 4.2
[11:31] <bazhang> blip-, right, I think that is backports
[11:31] <blip-> my undestanding is things eventually get moved to "normal supported updates
[11:32] <bazhang> !backports
[11:32] <devilsadvocate> blip-, no
[11:32] <dwidmann> blip: in theory yes, in practice not all that often
[11:32] <bazhang> a step up from experimental iirc
[11:32] <bazhang> so some risk , but likely fairly stable
[11:32] <devilsadvocate> blip-, once the version freeze is done, majot changes are not pushed to the repo
[11:33] <devilsadvocate> that is only done in the case of some very heavily used application if they dont have complex dependancies etc
[11:33] <blip-> devilsadvocate: and version freeze applies to version 8.10 that is ?
[11:33] <dwidmann> they do get pushed to "updates" for lts releases every so often though ...
[11:33] <blip-> ok I get it
[11:33] <devilsadvocate> blip-, version freeze happens during the 8.10 dev cycle
[11:33] <devilsadvocate> so something x.y is the version freeze
[11:33] <blip-> hmm I guess i'll just upgrade to unsupported 4.2 and not wait then.  given it may never be pushed to main
[11:33] <devilsadvocate> and if x.y+1 comes out and its a security update it will come into main
[11:33] <blip-> ah ok
[11:34] <blip-> thanks guys
[11:34] <devilsadvocate> if x.y+1 is not a security upgrae, like x.y+n, x+1.y1, etc, then it wont ever come into main/universe
[11:34] <devilsadvocate> it might come into backports, depending on the demand, etc
[11:35] <devilsadvocate> blip-, the intrepid backports has a decent 4.2
[11:35] <devilsadvocate> personally i use the kubuntu-experimental ppa
[11:36] <blip-> devilsadvocate: decent as in it's missing something that is found on the 4.2 in 9.04 ?
[11:36] <devilsadvocate> blip-, the ppa has 4.2.2
[11:36] <devilsadvocate> i cant be sure what 9.04 will have
[11:36] <devilsadvocate> there are some differences
[11:36] <blip-> I'm not that adventurous :)
[11:37] <devilsadvocate> (cant be sure as in have not checked.. i plan on staying with kubuntu-experimental :P )
[11:38] <dwidmann> !info kdebase jaunty
[11:47] <ShackTiDe> HI all. There was a great feature to edit right click on desktop with KDE 3.5. Now in kde4 (Kubuntu 8.10) I cannot find such item and I cannot make a simple kicker with just one color. Is that so or I haven't found these options?
[12:10] <pteague> is there no longer a way to stretch a wallpaper across 2 monitors?
[12:11] <devilsadvocate> pteague, i dont thiknk it is currently possible to have different wallpapers on different desktops
[12:13] <pteague> i have a dual monitor setup...  in hardy i could set a wallpaper to stretch across both, separate wallpapers on each monitor, & even separate sets of wallpapers on each desktop
[12:14] <adiktd> HELP!!!!!! - HOWTO: SB audidgy SE kubuntu (NOT WORIN DRIVER ISSUE) PLEASE HELP MEEEEE!!!
[12:16] <bazhang> adiktd, no need for the caps and the !!!
[12:24] <quassel208> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/361291
[12:33] <quassel208> !aptfix
[12:58] <||arifaX> knode does not send to newsgroups it tells me file could not be written: news.abc.com (translated from german to english)
[12:58] <||arifaX> can someone help?
[13:12] <adiktd> HELP!!!!!! - HOWTO: SB audidgy SE kubuntu (NOT WORIN DRIVER ISSUE) PLEASE HELP MEEEEE!!!
[13:12] <Mamarok> adiktd: don't shout please!
[13:13] <bazhang> adiktd, lose the caps
[13:13] <adiktd> sorry kinda at points end atm
[13:13] <adiktd> help!!!!!! - HowTo: SB audidgy SE -  kubuntu (Not workin driver issue) please help meeeeee!!!
[13:13] <adiktd> :)
[13:14] <bazhang> adiktd, repeating with caps will get you zero help
[13:14] <adiktd> lost the caps
[13:16] <adiktd> soz been forced 2 the drink cause of this stupid soundcard
[13:16] <Mamarok> adiktd: but you still shout, no need to do so, just ask a simple question
[13:16]  * adiktd appolz
[13:17] <adiktd> how in gods name to i get SB audidgy SE to work on k/ubunutu
[13:17] <Mamarok> !sound | adiktd
[13:18] <bazhang> adiktd, what make and model of pc
[13:18] <adiktd> P4 3.2 HT
[13:18] <adiktd> here see if i got a scipt
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[13:19] <am_> hey guys, I've got an intel X4500 chipset and i'm currently running the latest jaunty with UXA / DRI2 and composite off. I know its not yet released but I was hoping someone here was currently running it on an intel chip and had managed to get it so that it was as snappy as intrepid. Anyone have some ideas I might be able to try
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | am_
[13:19] <am_> ok thanks
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> am_ if intrepid was fine, why upgrade?
[13:20] <am_> ActionParsnip: erm..it was fine graphics wise :)
[13:20] <am_> actually it was great graphics wise
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> then why uprade?
[13:20] <am_> just the rest of the machine didn't work so well
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> oic
[13:21] <am_> but the good news is that _everything_ works in jaunty..cept the graphics =)
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> nice
[13:22] <adiktd> nah all i can tell u is gigiabyte mb
[13:22] <adiktd> p4 HT
[13:22] <adiktd> ide's
[13:22] <adiktd> SB aud SE 5.1
[13:22] <adiktd> 512 1650 ATI gfx
[13:22] <adiktd> need sound!
[13:22] <adiktd> help appreciated
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> adiktd: can you give the output of: lspci | grep -i audio
[13:24] <adiktd> 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LSv
[13:24] <adiktd> action: 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LSv
[13:25] <adiktd> ActionParsnip,  02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LSv
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> adiktd: creative are a PITA
[13:25] <adiktd> soz diff client
[13:25] <adiktd> so wats me next set?
[13:25] <adiktd> step^
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> adiktd: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/creative-labs-sb-audigy-ls-alsa-no-sound-361619/
[13:27] <adiktd> thanks heaps ActionParsnip
[13:27] <adiktd> :)
[13:28] <chfwiggum> will jaunty ship with kdevelop4?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> adiktd: fyi some creative cards are an utter pain to work in linux and i have no idea why people buy them
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | chfwiggum
[13:28] <adiktd> ive heard that but was free and onboard shat itself so
[13:28] <adiktd> gonna make do
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> adiktd: creative have issues supporting windows themselves
[13:29] <adiktd> yer iv noticed but this is just a fun box
[13:29] <adiktd> gonna move on 2 the real thin next mth
[13:29] <adiktd> hehe
[13:29] <adiktd> expect 2 hear alot more of me
[13:29] <adiktd> :)
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> real thing?
[13:32] <adiktd> real thing = dual pehnom 2 quads with 8GB
[13:32] <adiktd> :P
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> i see
[13:32]  * adiktd cant wait
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> whats it gonna b used for?
[13:32]  * adiktd runs P4 3.2 and duo 2.2
[13:33] <adiktd> gonna b storage and shoutcast
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> you dont need super power for that
[13:33] <adiktd> yer i no but its fun
[13:33] <adiktd> hehe
[13:33]  * ActionParsnip runs anything from a p3 500 coppermine 128Mb to a 1.6 semperon AM2 1Gb
[13:33] <adiktd> i got short mem span so i run a few task at once
[13:34] <adiktd> i aint that comp lit so cant deal with that
[13:34] <adiktd> one day
[13:35] <adiktd> had gf of 5yrs kinda fell outa the loop
[13:35] <adiktd> lol
[13:35] <adiktd> just gettin back in2 it
[13:46] <Guest97921> ola tem alguem fala portugues?
[13:46] <bazhang> !br
[13:46] <Guest97921> what??
[13:47] <bazhang> #ubuntu-pt or #ubuntu-br
[13:47] <Guest97921> thanks, ok
[13:53] <Guba> hi all
[13:53] <Guba> i have problem
[13:53] <Guba> with mu
[13:53] <Guba> hmm
[13:53] <Guba> virtual desktops
[13:54] <Guba> it displays all opened windows in all desktops
[13:54] <Guba> i want to change it
[13:54] <Guba> any help
[13:54] <Guba> ?
[13:55] <bazhang> Guba, with mu?
[13:55] <Guba> my english i bad
[13:55] <Guba> sorry
[13:55] <Guba> i speak different one
[13:55] <Guba> :)
[13:55] <bazhang> Guba, compiz-fusion?
[13:55] <Guba> no
[13:56] <Guba> vith
[13:56] <Guba> with
[13:56] <Guba>  i do not know how you call it
[13:56] <Guba> kde
[13:56] <Guba> or somthing
[13:56] <bazhang> Guba, in what version of kubuntu
[13:56] <Guba> 8.10
[13:56] <Guba> kubuntu
[13:57] <Mamarok> Guba: what is your language?
[13:57] <bazhang> Guba, you mean the desktop effects, when all windows are displayed, reduced in size?
[13:58] <Mamarok> Guba: please do not query people for support
[13:59] <gilles> hi
[13:59] <Mamarok> Guba, stop reopening that query all the time, please, speak here only!
[13:59] <Guba> aha
[13:59] <Guba> ok
[14:00] <gilles> i'm using kde 4.2.2 and got a big problem using dolphin file manager
[14:00] <Mamarok> Guba: what is the international sign for Montenegro, mg?
[14:00] <Guba> ME
[14:00] <Guba> i think
[14:00] <Mamarok> !me
[14:00] <Mamarok> well, so much for local help :(
[14:01] <Guba> so mamarok how can configure tihs
[14:01] <gilles> on a particulary folder it takes up to five minutes before i can act
[14:01] <Guba> this
[14:01] <Mamarok> Guba: do you speak any other language well?
[14:01] <Guba> aha
[14:01] <Guba> sta ima raja
[14:01] <Guba> kako ste
[14:01] <Guba> i tako
[14:01] <Guba> ,,
[14:01] <gilles> this is very annoying
[14:01] <Mamarok> Guba: Guba in English, please, or tell me which other language you speak
[14:02] <Mamarok> gilles: is this on a remote drive?
[14:02] <Guba> can anybody  tell me how can i configure this  virtual  desktops?
[14:02] <gilles> no on my hard rive
[14:02] <gilles> drive
[14:03] <gilles> on others folders it runs fine
[14:03] <Mamarok> gilles: that is strange, something wrong with your folder maybe?
[14:03] <Mamarok> does it have a particular name with special characters?
[14:03] <gilles> no using another filemanager or antoher "live" distro it displays fine
[14:03] <bazhang>  #ubuntu-me for montenegro Guba
[14:03] <Mamarok> Guba: I didn't understand your question, please repeat, all in one line please
[14:04] <Mamarok> bazhang: that doesn't seem to exist
[14:04] <Guba> ok
[14:04] <gilles> i got no clue of whats happening
[14:05] <Mamarok> gilles: neither do I, I have KDE 4.2.2 myself and have never seen that
[14:05] <Mamarok> no special characters at all like öüäéèà?
[14:05] <bazhang> Mamarok, yep it does but only one user (me); there is a topic and it is a channel however
[14:05] <Guba> i want to configure mu virtual desktops in kubuntu, not in compiz,
[14:05] <gilles> it's my download folder with all my software, drivers, etc
[14:06] <gilles> its ntfs
[14:06] <Guba> because i do not want to be displayed like this
[14:06] <Guba> is this ok?
[14:06]  * _jabba &
[14:06] <Mamarok> gilles: oh, that might be the problem then
[14:07] <gilles> then why nautilus displays fine ?
[14:07] <Mamarok> Guba: you want to remove the desktop effects or what do you want to do?
[14:08] <Mamarok> gilles: I don't know, I never had problems with Dolphin, it also can read my ntfs partitions fine in KDE 4.2.2
[14:08] <Guba> i want to cofigure it but i can not find it
[14:08] <Guba> where is it?\
[14:09] <Mamarok> Guba: go to the System Settings in the Menu, then choose "Desktop"
[14:09] <Guba> ok
[14:09] <gilles> it seems to be a kubuntu bug, with opensuse livecd, it displays fine
[14:10] <Guba> ok
[14:10] <Guba> i'm there
[14:10] <Marcix> hi everybody
[14:10] <Marcix> !ics
[14:10] <gilles> anyoneknows how to reset only dolphin ?
[14:10] <Mamarok> gilles: one I can't reproduce, it works fine here
[14:11] <Dragnslcr> !pm | Guba
[14:11] <Guba> ok
[14:11] <Mamarok> gilles: you use Intrepid, right?
[14:11] <Guba> is here somthing like bonton?
[14:11] <Guba> so i can read it
[14:11] <gilles> jaunty
[14:12] <Mamarok> gilles: ask in #ubuntu+1 then
[14:12] <Mamarok> Guba: what is bonton?
[14:12] <Guba> bonton - nice behavior
[14:12] <Marcix> anyone has got a xbox 360 on ics?
[14:12] <Guba> somthing like that
[14:13] <Mamarok> !irc
[14:13] <Guba> !irc
[14:13] <bazhang> its ics
[14:13] <gilles> but this bug is also present with intrepid
[14:13] <Mamarok> !Guidelines | Guba
[14:15] <Mamarok> gilles: as I said, I can't reproduce it, do you mind seraching for the bug in launchpad.net please?
[14:15] <gilles> i've already searches
[14:17] <Mamarok> gilles: if you don't find an existing bug, report it, and give as much informations you can, please
[14:17] <Mamarok> partition type, folder name, premissions, etc.
[14:21] <usuario> HOLA
[14:22] <usuario> ALGUIEN ME PUEDE ECHAR UNA MANITA
[14:22] <Mamarok> !es | usuario
[14:22] <Mamarok> usuario: and lpease do not shout, remove your caps
[14:22] <Mamarok> please*
[14:24] <Marcix> !it
[14:36] <alumnos> Hola buenos dias ..alguien me puede decir como entro a un canal en español..para una consulta de kubuntu?
[14:36] <Marcix> !es
[14:36] <alumnos> Muchisimas gracias..vere si hay tantos usuarios como en este?
[14:38] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[14:38] <genii> !hi
[14:38] <contrast> hey genii
[14:39] <contrast> Does anyone know whether it's safe to run "chmod -R g+w ~"?
[14:40] <contrast> (I know what the command does, just not sure if there may be any negative repercussions.)
[14:41] <Mamarok> contrast: you want this to apply to the files in /home?
[14:41] <contrast> Mamarok: correct
[14:41] <Mamarok> then why not write ~/ ?
[14:41] <Mamarok> instead of just ~
[14:42] <contrast> well, that's what the -R is for, right? ;)
[14:42] <Mamarok> right, but I still put the /, so you are sure it works
[14:43] <alumnos> Hola..algun kubuntero en esta sala que hable español..y me pueda guiar en un problema que tengo con mi tarjeta nvidia..?
[14:43] <alumnos> ya estuve en kubuntu es..pero no hay dispuesto a colaborar
[14:44] <contrast> Mamarok: that's how i usually do it... so you're not sure if making everything in $HOME writable by my group could cause problems?
[14:45] <Mamarok> why should it? But then, why do you need to do so, it will apply to all hidden files too
[14:45] <gadevoi> alumnos : intente en el canal #ubuntu-es
[14:46] <alumnos> ok..gracias gadevoi
[14:47] <contrast> Mamarok: that's the idea. i'm the only other person in the group - two accounts, one for media center settings, the other for when it's not hooked up to the tele.
[14:48] <contrast> Mamarok: thanks for the reassurance. :)
[14:48] <Mamarok> contrast: there shouldn't be problem IMHO, unless you have files where you are not the owner
[14:48] <Tm_T> contrast: well, there's some files that insist to be only readable by you, cannot remember which ones though
[14:48] <contrast> hrmm... i seem to remember reading that somewhere. i didn't think they were in $HOME though.
[14:49] <Tm_T> gnupg and ssh stuff atleast I believe should be only for the user
[14:49] <Mamarok> right, forgot about those
[14:50] <noaXess> hi all
[14:51] <contrast> of course... any others you know of, Tm_T, maybe kde's pim stuff?
[14:51] <contrast> !hi noaXess
[14:51] <Tm_T> contrast: cannot remember
[14:51] <noaXess> i'm searching for a good financial software for KDE4.. for business, financial management.. any idea, tip?
[14:52] <contrast> !hi | noaXess
[14:52] <contrast> heh, there we go.
[14:52] <noaXess> contrast: :) thanks
[14:52] <Mamarok> noaXess: KMyMoney, the best I know
[14:52] <noaXess> not new.. but today first time
[14:53] <contrast> noaXess: afaik, if you strictly mean KDE4, i don't think there's anything yet.
[14:53] <noaXess> !info kmymoney
[14:53] <Mamarok> contrast: KMymoney is platform independent
[14:53] <Mamarok> of course it is, !kmymoney2
[14:53] <Mamarok> !kmymoney2
[14:54] <Mamarok> !info kmymoney2
[14:54] <noaXess> is kmymoney based on kde3,, right?..
[14:54] <contrast> noaXess: did you mean specifically mean something that integrates with kde4, or just anything that will run on it?
[14:55] <contrast> noaXess: that's right
[14:55] <Mamarok> it doesn't matter, it works very well in KDE 4, trust me :)
[14:55] <contrast> it's funny - gtk apps actually integrate better into kde4 than kde3 apps. :-\
[14:55] <keldrona> hi guys... I've got kbluetooth4 in offline mode on kubuntu 8.10... how can I turn it online?
[14:56] <Mamarok> keldrona: there should be an icon in the system tray, right click on it
[14:56] <keldrona> Mamarok: I haven't any icon on system tray
[14:57] <Mamarok> keldrona: then it's not loaded at all, not even offline
[14:57] <noaXess> Mamarok: ok.. thanks.. do you know any other, similar soft?
[14:57] <keldrona> Mamarok: I have it on System Activity
[14:58] <contrast> noaXess: for kde4 in particular, i don't think anything in that field exists yet. might check kde-apps.org
[14:58] <Mamarok> noaXess: not for business, no
[14:58] <contrast> keldrona: does the terminal yield anything useful if you run kbluetooth4 from it?
[14:58] <noaXess> Mamarok: contrast: ok
[14:58] <Mamarok> noaXess: and rest assured, I use it since quite some time, it really is the best out there
[14:58] <Mamarok> unless you want a fully fledged ERP system
[14:59] <keldrona> contrast: kbluetooth4(6106) Solid::Control::ManagerBasePrivate::loadBacken: Backend loaded: "BlueZ" KBlueTray::offlineMode: offlineMode
[14:59] <contrast> noaXess: as far as gtk stuff, i've read good things about homebank and gnucash.
[15:00] <keldrona> contrast: Sorry I can't paste because I'm working on another computer
[15:00] <Mamarok> contrast: why suggestiong a Gnome app if he can have a KDE one?
[15:00] <Mamarok> -o
[15:01] <Mamarok> and KMyMoney is the best, also compared to GnuCash btw
[15:01] <contrast> Mamarok: read what i said about gtk apps in kde4 a few lines up :)
[15:02] <contrast> god bless qtcurve
[15:02] <Mamarok> well, KMM looks better than Guncash here, beleive me
[15:02] <Mamarok> and it's not about good looks, it's about business software that actually works and offers the best features and security
[15:03] <contrast> agreed
[15:12] <noaXess> Mamarok: ok.. i think will test kmymoney..
[15:12] <noaXess> it's right, that version from the repos is not up to date?
[15:13] <noaXess> it's 0.9-2 and on http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-home.html there is 0.9.3
[15:13] <Paddy_EIRE> what is the current fully updated ubuntu/kubuntu system kernel version ?
[15:14] <noaXess> or ist there a repo with up to date kmymoney?
[15:14] <noaXess> for kubuntu
[15:14] <Paddy_EIRE> last update I told it to "keep the currently installed" menu.lst
[15:14] <contrast> Paddy_EIRE: try running sudo update-grub
[15:15] <Paddy_EIRE> contrast: ah I had not heard of such a command.. thankyou
[15:15] <bazhang> !info linux
[15:15] <contrast> you always want to let that file get replaced when prompted. you might keep a backup around if you've made a lot of changes
[15:15] <contrast> Paddy_EIRE: np
[15:16] <Paddy_EIRE> oh.. what a sexy little command.. cheers mate :)
[15:16] <contrast> anyone else finding jaunty to be the best distro they've ever used?
[15:17] <Paddy_EIRE> contrast: I am waiting till about a day or two before release
[15:17] <Paddy_EIRE> brb.. gotta restart
[15:17] <adrian__> hi
[15:19] <adrian__> i upgraded my kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 and i cant turn on nvidia drivers, can anyone help ?
[15:20] <contrast> adrian__: have you already reinstalled them after the upgrade?
[15:21] <adrian__> nope :) do i have to ?
[15:21] <contrast> most likely - i think the package naming scheme changed between those two releases
[15:22] <contrast> adrian__: KMenu -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[15:26] <contrast> considering the live cd installer lets you leave everything in ~ alone, there's not much of a reason to upgrade instead of doing a clean install anymore - i've read of so many headaches (and experienced a few) resulting from built up cruft.
[15:26] <adrian__> theres a button "turn on" but when i push it, nothing happens :(
[15:28] <contrast> adrian__: what's the output of this command? dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia
[15:33] <eugen__> hey does kubuntu come with kde 4.2 and ext4?
[15:35] <adrian__> nvidia-glx - deinstall rest - install
[15:35] <contrast> eugen__: jaunty does, but it won't be out for about another week.
[15:35] <contrast> adrian__: what model card do you have?
[15:36] <adrian__> gf 4 mx 440
[15:37] <eugen__> I'm trying to swtich to kde, I've installed opensuse, but I don't know how to work it...if used the ubuntu before, is kubuntu similar?
[15:40] <contrast> adrian__: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-96
[15:41] <dawid> eugen__ : try some livecd KDE 4 distro
[15:41] <contrast> adrian__: then run "sudo nvidia-xconfig", restart X (log out -> Menu -> Restart X Server)  and you should be golden
[15:50] <hguevar> hi, I'm new ... what is this? thanks!
[15:55] <adrian__> now i cant see the menus :/
[16:02] <matt_> I installed kubuntu from ubuntu. I changed a display setting, and now the screen is super magnified when I log in to kubuntu. How can I change settings back to something useful?
[16:25] <blip-> does 8.10 get any more updates for KDE4.2 at this point ?  I installed 4.2 from the unsupported repos, wondering if it will ever get KDE4.3
[16:25] <genii> Eventually it will
[16:36] <trix`G> Hello
[16:37] <trix`G> How do I change what resolution OpenGL games default to, from outside of the game?
[16:38] <trix`G> For some reason on nearly every version of kubuntu most 3d games (Nexuiz, Alien Arena, etc) that are fullscreen default to a resolution unsupported by my monitor whichh causes me to have to crash KDE (CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE) to regain control of my computer
[16:40] <trix`G> I've tried to find a solution to this in the forums and the wiki, and even google, but I haven't been able to locate which config file games read acceptable resolutions from by default
[16:41] <genii> I'm pretty sure no such "acceptable game resolution" conf file exists. Whatever game runs just has it's own internal settings or so
[16:43] <trix`G> genii: then where can I look within each game to find the correct config file to edit?  For example, in Alien Arena, I've tried /usr/games /usr/local/games /usr/share/games and even /home/trix/.AlienArena
[16:43] <trix`G> but in none of those can I find a config file showing resolution
[16:45] <genii> There isn't always some conf file. Sometimes it's just a binary executable which internally in it's coding says "OK, set the screen now to X and Y resolution" etc etc
[16:45] <genii> There may be commandline switches
[16:57] <wycleef-rj> #brasil
[16:57] <wycleef-rj> join #brazil
[17:31] <Guest20861> !list
[17:31] <Guest20861> ciao
[17:34] <genii> Wow, quiet in here
[17:38] <Adoro> hi
[17:38] <LizardQueen> hi
[17:38] <qyn123> hi
[17:39] <genii> !hi
[17:40]  * genii hands out a round of coffees
[17:40] <bercik> Hello!
[17:40] <bercik> jaunty-alternate is an actual Jaunty beta?
[17:41] <genii> bercik: Yes, just with text based installer, no live system running off the cd
[17:41] <bercik> genii: Thanks
[17:41] <genii> bercik: For further 9.04 assistance please visit #ubuntu+1
[17:46] <Guba> hhow to change folder premisions in the terminal
[17:46] <Guba> any help?
[17:49] <tsimpson> Guba: with chmod
[17:49] <genii> Guba: man chown  and man chmod
[17:50] <Guba> have you some example
[17:50] <Guba> ?
[17:50] <genii> Thats what the manpages are for
[17:51] <_jabba> how do i tell NetworkManager to ignore an interface? it seems to want to control eth*
[17:52] <_jabba> genii: some manpages are really, really bad, like for example NetworkManager(8)'s, and nm-tool(1)
[17:52] <tsimpson> !permissions
[17:53] <tsimpson> that has some useful information for use with chmod
[17:55] <doe_> hi, I am trying out 9.04, and on first sight, I am amazed: it seems to work fine out of the box! Yet, I have two issues: how can I turn off NetworkManager (this is an office box which is sometimes turned on with wake-on-lan, and needs automatic settings via DHCP)
[17:55] <_jabba> doe_: heh, do you want to just remove it?
[17:55] <_jabba> you can use /etc/network/interfaces
[17:55] <doe_> and secondly: how can I enable fglrx drivers? I installed them already, but I can't enable them with the hardware settings app
[17:56]  * _jabba is considering just removing it
[17:56] <doe_> _jabba: is there a CLI tool for managing network settings?
[17:56] <_jabba> well, ifconfig of course
[17:56] <_jabba> or do you mean something else?
[17:56] <_jabba> (I'm on jaunty as well)
[17:57] <doe_> _jabba: yes, I mean some easy to use tool to configure how the box connects to the network...
[17:57] <_jabba> do you know about the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[17:57] <doe_> I don't need a graphical tool (in fact, I'd prefer some textmode tool)
[17:57] <doe_> _jabba: well, I am sure I can handle it
[17:57] <_jabba> well, man 5 interfaces
[17:57] <_jabba> that explains the format of the file
[17:58] <doe_> so, there is either NM or very basic config file editing?
[17:58] <_jabba> ifconfig also is availabe for bringing interfaces up and down
[17:58] <doe_> _jabba: yeah, I know, but without access to the box, there is no way to invoke ifconfig ;)
[17:58] <_jabba> i'm not sure what NM is supposed to be doing. whatever it's doing, it's doing it really poorly.
[17:59]  * doe_ doesn't like NetworkManager either... Bloated but still not working
[17:59] <_jabba> doe_: can i help you with something? i don't understand what you need.
[17:59] <genii> ifconfig ethtool iwconfig   etc
[17:59] <_jabba> doe_: seems like NM is great for people with one interface that don't move their computers around
[18:00] <doe_> _jabba: well, I am coming from openSUSE and pampered with YaST... so I was looking for some configuration utility in Ubuntu
[18:00] <_jabba> genii: ifconfig works once. you need to configure the interfaces file to have the 'network' service start properly
[18:00] <doe_> genii: let me check ethtool
[18:00]  * _jabba pats doe_ on the shoulder
[18:00] <_jabba> sorry about suse...
[18:00] <_jabba> that's harsh stuff
[18:00] <doe_> ah, please, no distro flame war...
[18:00] <_jabba> i won't :)
[18:01] <_jabba> what are you trying to do?
[18:01] <doe_> they are paying a lot of KDE devs :)
[18:01] <_jabba> if you just want to bring up an interface you can simply say
[18:01] <genii> tsimpson: You get my PM just now?
[18:01] <doe_> _jabba: well, I am considering a distro switch. Which is -- after 8 years of SuSE/openSUSE not the easiest thing ;)
[18:01] <_jabba> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[18:02] <_jabba> doe_: but the convention (before jaunty) was to have this configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:02] <doe_> _jabba: I am familiar with ifconfig. I just need that the box connects to the network automatically upon booting
[18:02] <_jabba> and you can use /etc/init.d/networking start
[18:02] <doe_> since it is accessed remotely, too
[18:02] <_jabba> doe_: i'm trying to get netmanager neutered too.
[18:03] <_jabba> i have the same problem, i think.
[18:03] <_jabba> except mine is that i have an interface i have configured properly, and one i just want to listen on, for snort, but netmanager wants to be a lot friendlier than it should be.
[18:04] <_jabba> look at the interfaces(5) file
[18:05] <_jabba> i'm looking over it at the moment myself and it looks like it lets you turn off automatic management of interfaces
[18:05] <_jabba> which might be what you want, but if you just want dhcp, shouldn't NM be doing that on its own?
[18:06] <_jabba> are you not getting a dhcp address automatically?
[18:06] <doe_> _jabba: yes, it does, but only if someone logs in
[18:06] <_jabba> oh that's peculiar
[18:06] <doe_> I need the box to connect even when noone logs in. Otherwise noone can ever log in remotely
[18:06] <_jabba> right
[18:07] <_jabba> mine comes up with its interfaces automatically, even the one i don't want it to
[18:07] <_jabba> why don't you set up eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces (or if it's wi0 or whatever your interface is) to have it come up automatically
[18:08] <doe_> _jabba: yes, will do that... I was just wondering that there is no simple tool that helps me with that without having to worry about the syntax of a config file...
[18:09] <_jabba> helps you do what?
[18:09] <_jabba> automatically bring up an interface?
[18:09] <doe_> graphics not needed, but I am surprised there is not even an ncurses tool
[18:09] <_jabba> how would the system know which interface to bring up?
[18:09] <genii> The " auto eth0" line in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:09] <_jabba> i'm confused about what you're asking for
[18:09] <doe_> _jabba: ever tried another distro and not used NetworkManager?
[18:09] <_jabba> yeah, what genii said
[18:10] <_jabba> doe_: i spent 2008 porting a site from novell to ubuntu :)
[18:10] <_jabba> and by a site a mean a wan and a few hundred hosts.  :)
[18:10] <_jabba> but my specialty is solaris. so, yes, to answer your question.
[18:11] <doe_> so, you see: many other major distros have simple utilities for managing network settings which are easier and more fool-proof than editing the config files... but doesn't matter now
[18:11] <_jabba> like redhat-config-network
[18:11] <doe_> yes, good example
[18:11] <_jabba> but something still has to tell the system /which/ interface to bring up automatically
[18:11] <doe_> yeah, the user :9
[18:11] <_jabba> that's usually configured either manually, by an ncurses tool or whatever, or during install
[18:12] <_jabba> on bsd systems, it's hostname.if files
[18:12] <_jabba> i don't see having an interfaces file as being a bad thing (for what it's worth, i did, at first)
[18:12] <_jabba> it's nice having everything in there.
[18:13] <_jabba> i'm not really the gui type, but i'm sure there's some gui tool for it, and i'd be surprised if there wasn't an ncurses tool to manage it, but i don't know what either of them would be
[18:13] <_jabba> sorry
[18:13] <_jabba> genii sounds like he/she might
[18:14] <doe_> doesn't matter now :) will check if it works
[18:14] <_jabba> did you get interfaces configured?
[18:14] <doe_> anyone any idea why texlive is so outdated? It's version 2007 only... Is there a repo for the current 2008 ?
[18:15] <doe_> _jabba: yes, will have to reboot to see if it works as expectedx
[18:15] <_jabba> doe_: why don't you just restart the network service?
[18:15] <_jabba> or, you were saying somebody has to log in
[18:15] <doe_> hmm.. would do, true
[18:15] <_jabba> stop the network service and log out
[18:16] <_jabba> or rather, restart the network service and log out
[18:16] <doe_> either way, I think it will work
[18:16] <_jabba> i think... i've never seen the symptoms you're describing
[18:16] <_jabba> i just don't like rebooting. :)
[18:16] <_jabba> but you're right rebooting it is probably the best way to make sure it will Work In The Future
[18:20] <doe_> OK, will reboot to make sure. Thanks for your help and patience!
[18:21]  * _jabba wonders about that
[18:21] <_jabba> i've never seen an ubuntu box wait for someone to log in before it ip's
[18:21] <_jabba> is that new to jaunty?
[18:26] <KDesk> hi
[18:27] <_jabba> hola
[18:28] <KDesk> Do you know if there is already a deb for amarok 2.0.90 available?
[18:33] <_jabba> KDesk: my package just says "series 2".
[18:33] <_jabba> --version says it's 2.0.2
[18:33] <_jabba> (this is jaunty)
[18:34] <KDesk> _jabba: Mine too, I'm searching for the 2.1 beta deb packages
[18:34] <pitufinbombin> hiiiiiiiiiii
[18:35] <_jabba> KDesk: does amarok not provide it themselves?
[18:35] <_jabba> i'm just guessing btw, i know very little about it other than what it does to my music files :)
[18:35] <KDesk> _jabba:  a deb package not :(
[18:36] <_jabba> you could just build it and install it in ~
[18:36] <_jabba> compiling software isn't too hard
[18:36] <_jabba> do they provide any packages other than deb?
[18:37] <twisted_g> hi everyone
[18:37] <KDesk> _jabba: I haven't tried because I have always bad experiences.
[18:37] <_jabba> howdy twisted_g
[18:37] <_jabba> KDesk: well, you could try... i mean, the worst that could happen is it won't compile :)
[18:37] <KDesk> _jabba: only the sources, but also link to the packages of the distros in there pages
[18:38] <_jabba> just make sure to use --prefix=~/amarok-beta or something
[18:38] <KDesk> _jabba: yes, you are right, lets see what happends :)
[18:38] <twisted_g> anyone using Xen?
[18:38] <_jabba> twisted_g: can you be more specific?
[18:38] <twisted_g> i'd like to know if there's a specific Xen package for kubuntu
[18:38] <KDesk> _jabba: for what is the --prefix?
[18:38] <twisted_g> the ubuntu-xen-desktop package installs a whole lotta gnome libs
[18:38] <twisted_g> which i don't want on my pc
[18:39] <_jabba> KDesk: when you run the configure script, pass it --prefix=/some/directory/thats/not/going/to/break/things
[18:39] <_jabba> if you compile the beta, and it builds, and you just install it on top of the one you have, but you find out later it doesn't work as well as you want it to, you won't have your old copy
[18:39] <_jabba> so you might do something like mkdir ~/amarok-beta
[18:40] <_jabba> and then when you run the configure script, instead of just ./configure, say ./configure --prefix=~/amarok-beta
[18:40] <KDesk> _jabba: ah, ok thanks, So in ~/amarok-beta It will install in my home dir?
[18:40] <_jabba> then, when you want to run it, just run ~/amarok-beta/bin/amarok
[18:40] <_jabba> yep
[18:40] <_jabba> containment is key :)
[18:40] <KDesk> _jabba: ah, that is very good! :)
[18:41] <KDesk> _jabba: thanks, I will download the source
[18:41] <_jabba> ordinarily /usr/local is the place people put stuff like that, but more and more people are using /usr/local these days
[18:41] <_jabba> KDesk: good luck
[18:42] <_jabba> gr, /me kicks netmanager
[18:43] <KDesk> _jabba: I found in  http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Compiling:2.0  the compiling instruccion. It says:  cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`
[18:43] <_jabba> whoa
[18:43] <_jabba> uh hang on
[18:43] <KDesk> What sould I use?  cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`~/amarok-beta --prefix`  ?
[18:43] <_jabba> nono
[18:43] <chronic> can someone help me reinstall correct java ?
[18:43] <_jabba> i think that's totally different than what i was saying
[18:43] <_jabba> hang on
[18:43] <_jabba> don't touch that script! :D
[18:43] <KDesk> ok
[18:44] <_jabba> KDesk: ignore everything i've told you
[18:44] <_jabba> i do not know what cmake is
[18:45] <_jabba> i don't want to break your system
[18:45] <KDesk> _jabba: ok hehe
[18:45] <_jabba> sorry
[18:46] <chronic> can someone help me reinstall correct java ?
[18:47] <smiges><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:48] <smiges> бля
[18:48] <KDesk> _jabba: no problem :) Now I remember somethink, the kubuntu team decided to includ mysql 5.1 inside amarok and to not ship mysql as default in ubuntu, only 5.0. So If I compile amarok I need mysql 5.1 installed, but I also read that somethink in KDE needs mysql 5.0. So better I way until a deb is ready :)
[18:49] <_jabba> KDesk: i'm using mysql 5.1
[18:49] <_jabba> i had to install it
[18:49] <_jabba> i'm on jaunty
[18:49] <|PaperTiger|> What is running 3D graphics like running Windows in a Virtual Machine using VirtualBox
[18:49] <_jabba> but i just used aptitude
[18:50] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: you want a LOT of ram, but it runs just fine
[18:50] <KDesk> _jabba: Iam on jaunty too...
[18:50] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: my primary machine for over a year was a vista machine running in 4gb on ubuntu in virtualbox
[18:50] <smiges> русский кто есть
[18:50] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, I have 2gb of RAM...
[18:50] <_jabba> KDesk: so you can say sudo aptitude install mysql-5.1
[18:50] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: life will be pain. :)
[18:51] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, so gaming is out the window then?
[18:51] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: i had twelve on the host, and gave the guest 4
[18:51] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: absolutely unless you mean text-based :)
[18:51] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, great :) No, stuff like CS:S and TF2
[18:51] <KDesk> _jabba: don't worry, better I wait some days until a bed is ready :) To many build deps.
[18:52] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, so in short... Forget about it, yeah?
[18:52] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: better to dual-boot in that case. hardware acceleration works in virtualbox, but you don't get much ram (128mb), and you need a LOT of ram for the guest or it's really, really slow.
[18:53] <_jabba> KDesk: "a bed is read"?
[18:53] <_jabba> ready?
[18:53] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: unfortunately, yeah. i use windows mostly because i can't get visio and outlook on my mac
[18:53] <KDesk> _jabba: ah, hehe, a mean, a deb package is ready
[18:53] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, joy... I'm going to have the fun of installing Windows, then fixing the MBR to get Linux to boot.
[18:53] <_jabba> and because at work i prefer to run linux but they want me to have a windows machine
[18:54] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: it's easier to install ubuntu first, and partition the drive
[18:54] <_jabba> then tell windows to install on one of the partitions, and configure grub
[18:54] <smiges> рудз ьу
[18:54] <smiges> help me
[18:54] <_jabba> but you do gotta fix the MBR
[18:54] <_jabba> smiges: what do you need?
[18:55] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: it's never fun. sorry. :/
[18:55] <MarkieMark1> !ru | smiges
[18:55] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, really... I have a second drive to install Windows to anyway. As for fixing GRUB. How will I boot to Linux after to fix it? LiveCD?
[18:55] <smiges> i don't can't register to #ubuntu-ru
[18:55] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, and it's not fun at all...
[18:56] <MarkieMark1>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[18:57] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: grub will let you choose which os to boot into
[18:57] <stefan_> hallo
[18:57] <_jabba> is this XP or Vista?
[18:57] <_jabba> Vista will actually let you choose between linux and windows, it's pretty slick
[18:58] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, XP. But doesn't the install of Windows XP overwrite the GRUB?
[18:58] <smiges>  [Сообщение] -NickServ- Please check your email for instructions to complete your registration.
[18:58] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, though, I do have a Vista disk I can install...
[18:59] <smiges> registration complete,but i don't can't indetify
[18:59] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: you install ubuntu first, leave a partition for windows, then install windows on that partitition
[18:59] <_jabba> windows won't boot unless you tell it to
[18:59] <_jabba> shit i have a meeting right now
[18:59] <|PaperTiger|> See ya :P
[19:00] <_jabba> sorry, i will be back in like three hours
[19:00] <_jabba> :/
[19:00] <|PaperTiger|> No worries dude
[19:00] <chronic> can someone help me reinstall correct java ?
[19:03] <jason_froebe> chronic - what is "correct java"?  Sun's Java?
[19:05] <cihan_> hi room
[19:05] <smiges> ыыы
[19:05] <cihan_> how are you friends?
[19:05] <Guba> hi all
[19:07] <Guba> how to change folder premissions in a terminal
[19:07] <Guba> i need an exammple
[19:07] <Guba> :)
[19:07] <jamesjedimaster> chmod 007 directory_name
[19:08] <chronic> jason_froebe, sun 32bit
[19:08] <chronic> jason_froebe, on 64bit os
[19:08] <ghostcube> chmod 007 for what ?
[19:08] <ghostcube> james bond folder
[19:09] <jamesjedimaster> the example for Guba
[19:09] <ghostcube> chmod 755  for what ?
[19:09] <ghostcube> damn
[19:09] <ghostcube> chmod 755  for exmple would be better
[19:10] <jamesjedimaster> and man chmod for full explanation
[19:11] <ghostcube> ;)
[19:11] <jason_froebe> chronic - it would make more sense to use 64bit Sun Java JRE/JDK on a 64bit box imho...
[19:12] <chronic> jason_froebe, but i cant use vuze with it, not sure why
[19:12] <chronic> jason_froebe, it says it needs 32bit java
[19:12] <jason_froebe> chronic - understood - http://dmy999.com/article/44/32-bit-jdk-on-a-64-bit-ubuntu-system
[19:13] <jason_froebe> might help, haven't done it
[19:18] <chronic> jason_froebe,  this is what im getting Cannot load 32-bit SWT libraries on 64-bit JVM
[19:18] <chronic> jason_froebe, so i need 32bit java , right?
[19:21] <jason_froebe> yup
[19:23] <justin_> hello?
[19:23] <justin_> anyone who can help with kubuntu 8.1?
[19:23] <chronic> jason_froebe, azureus has a 64bit version, just found out, the auto select on their site sent me the 32bit
[19:24] <jason_froebe> chronic - woohoo ! :)
[19:24] <justin_> hello?
[19:25] <jason_froebe> justin_ - how can we help you?
[19:25] <justin_> can't play any media files in kubuntu 8.10
[19:26] <justin_> tried kaffeine, mplayer, VLC, all failed
[19:26] <jason_froebe> !medibuntu | justin_
[19:26] <DexterF> hi
[19:26] <jason_froebe> justin_ - did you do the steps on medibuntu?
[19:26] <DexterF> i'd like to upgrade a 8.10 inst to 9.04b, there an upgrade manager already?
[19:26] <justin_> yes, I installed them all
[19:26] <justin_> w32codecs and such
[19:26] <natschil> justin: you might want to install the gstreamer phonon backends or the xine phonon backends, search for them in synaptic
[19:27] <natschil> !gstreamer
[19:27] <natschil> !xine
[19:27] <natschil> !package gstreamer
[19:27] <oem_> !help
[19:27] <justin_> I'm on Kubuntu 8.10
[19:27] <justin_> does that make a difference?
[19:27] <justin_> I've been on Linux exactly ONE day
[19:27] <justin_> this is my first try and not going well so far
[19:28] <oem_> i'm on 6.10... 8.10 can't connect to the internet, i don't know why
[19:28] <justin_> I'm on the internet on 8.10 right now
[19:28] <justin_> but I can't play any video or music files
[19:29] <DexterF> oem_: 6.10 or 8.10? big difference
[19:29] <jason_froebe> brb
[19:29] <DexterF> justin_: what player do you use?
[19:29] <oem_> i think there is something wrong with config in 8.x that was ok in 6.10
[19:29] <justin_> I tried kaffeine, mplayer and VLC, all failed on WMV, AVI and MP3
[19:30] <justin_> I can't play ANYTHING!
[19:30] <DexterF> oem_: did you upgrade or install fresh?
[19:30] <justin_> I don't get it
[19:30] <justin_> install fresh
[19:30] <oem_> fresh
[19:30] <justin_> overwrote a Vista Enterprise partition completely
[19:30] <DexterF> oem_: so what does sudo ifconfig report? (pastein)
[19:31] <oem_> i didnt check it in 8.04
[19:31] <DexterF> justin_: good! :) ok, you ever used a command console? like cmd on win?
[19:31] <justin_> yeah
[19:31] <justin_> I've been getting intimate with konsole all morning
[19:31] <justin_> LOL
[19:31] <DexterF> justin_: even better. now, let's try and play a file from a console to see what errors it gives
[19:31] <DexterF> it probably does
[19:31] <justin_> lead the way
[19:32] <DexterF> alright: where does the file sit you wanna play?
[19:32] <justin_> external HD
[19:32] <DexterF> justin_: and you can access the files?
[19:32] <justin_> hmmm, does file system matter?
[19:32] <justin_> yes, I can see them in Dolphin
[19:32] <DexterF> justin_: for reading - nah. not really. is it tntfs?
[19:32] <smiges> who can speak russian?
[19:32] <DexterF> *ntfs?
[19:32] <oem_> i think there is a problem with NTFS
[19:32] <justin_> hold on...
[19:33] <natschil> justin_: could you explain us your problem a bit more?
[19:33] <natschil> justin_: do you get any error messages?
[19:33] <smiges> hel
[19:33] <natschil> justin_:do any sounds work?
[19:33] <smiges> help
[19:33] <justin_> I think it's FAT32 b/c I had to dump NTFS so I could switch back and forth between my MAC OSX and Win XP
[19:33] <DexterF> justin_: ok, from doplhin try and press F8. if i'm right this opens konsole right at that directory
[19:33] <DexterF> justin_: OSX still can't handle ntfs properly?
[19:34] <justin_> on NTFS OSX couldn't write
[19:34] <justin_> hold on, plugging in the drive....
[19:34] <ct529> hi there!
[19:34] <DexterF> hi
[19:35] <ct529> I would like to watch a video from arte.tv  in UK. I have my laptop here in UK and a server in Germany. I cannot watch the video directly from UK, so I thought of relaying the video through my server. Can I do that? I have Kubuntu 810 on the laptop and RH on the server.
[19:36] <DexterF> ct529: well.. does that rh serv a proxy..?
[19:36] <DexterF> *run
[19:36] <justin_> okay, I copied a file onto internal drive
[19:37] <justin_> I'm back
[19:37] <ct529> DexterF: could you explain?
[19:37] <justin_> can't paste to desktop on KBuntu
[19:37] <DexterF> justin_: good. now fire up console and cd to where the file sits
[19:37] <ct529> DexterF: can I set up a way to relay?
[19:37] <ct529> DexterF: or can I use kaffeine in a way that it relays on to the server?
[19:37] <DexterF> ct529: uh.. well... a proxy server. like squid or so.
[19:38] <justin_> not working
[19:38] <justin_> I'm not familiar with the commands in Linux
[19:38] <DexterF> justin_: more detail. *what* is not working?
[19:38] <DexterF> ah
[19:38] <DexterF> ok:
[19:38] <ct529> DexterF: how would I use proxy to do something like that?
[19:38] <justin_> cd /home/justin/downloads
[19:38] <justin_> is that right?
[19:38] <justin_> in konsole?
[19:39] <DexterF> justin_: yes, pretty much
[19:39] <justin_> says no such directory
[19:39] <justin_> checking spelling....
[19:39] <DexterF> justin_: cd /home/justin  , then there do ls
[19:39] <DexterF> ls  is a tad liek dir on DOS
[19:40] <DexterF> ct529: um, well, you set up a proxy on the server and point your browser or whatever at the proxy
[19:40] <DexterF> ct529: i'd check the RH channel tho, probably more people there are familiar with server stuff like proxies...
[19:41] <justin_> I can get to /home but that's it
[19:41] <DexterF> justin_: did someone yet let you in on tab completion...? type /ho<tab>/ju<tab> for example
[19:41] <justin_> the rest says no such dir
[19:42] <justin_> also, it split my HD up
[19:42] <justin_> is that normal?
[19:42] <justin_> I never told it to
[19:42] <DexterF> justin_: doesnt matter, /home is /home
[19:42] <ct529> DexterF: thanks for your help!
[19:42] <DexterF> you didn't tell it? oO shouldnt have doen it then.. odd.
[19:42] <DexterF> ct529: you're not even halfway there - proxy = config files :D
[19:43] <DexterF> justin_: anyway, type:   cd /ho<tab>. it should auto-complete to /home then
[19:43] <DexterF> justin_: next push tab again. if nothing happens, once more.
[19:43] <justin_> yeah, now I got into /Justin
[19:43] <justin_> and ls shows "downloads"
[19:44] <justin_> but I do cd /downloads and get no such dir
[19:44] <DexterF> so the complete path is /justin/downloads, not /home/...
[19:44] <justin_> home/justin/downloads
[19:44] <DexterF> justin_: ah! /downloads would be right under the file system root
[19:44] <ct529> DexterF: I know!
[19:44] <DexterF> [20:44] <justin_> but I do cd /downloads and get no such dir
[19:45] <justin_> I created it
[19:45] <DexterF> ok, where? in /home/justin or / ?
[19:46] <DexterF> mind you, if you are in your home dir, the konsole only shows <putername>~$ without path
[19:46] <DexterF> by default. can be misleading
[19:46] <justin_> got it, cd /home/justin/Downloads
[19:46] <justin_> apparently it's case-sensitive
[19:46] <DexterF> D != d ;)
[19:46] <justin_> what file system is Linux anyway?
[19:47] <DexterF> unixoids are totally nazi about case.
[19:47] <DexterF> most linux dists use ext3
[19:47] <justin_> I think I remember seeing that somewhere on the screen during install
[19:47] <justin_> okay, so now what
[19:47] <DexterF> journaling fs. next fedora will use ext4, but that's still rare, then the other popular ones are xfs (from SGI) and ReiserFS
[19:48] <justin_> I'm really sorry, it's literally my first day on Linux
[19:48] <DexterF> we all started at day 1
[19:48] <justin_> I'm pretty handy on Mac and Windows
[19:48] <justin_> anyway, what next
[19:48] <DexterF> good. helps.
[19:48] <DexterF> ok. so you are in Downloads and hen you issue "ls" is should list the contents
[19:48] <DexterF> what's the filename?
[19:49] <justin_> yes, I get a pdf and an wmv file
[19:49] <DexterF> what's the wmv's name?
[19:49] <justin_> Just tried the wmv in VLC, MPlayer and Kaffeine again
[19:49] <justin_> all of them open a window and then crash immediately
[19:49] <justin_> except kaffeine, sorry, that one leaves the window open and the timer goes but no video
[19:50] <DexterF> uh huh, I think I know where this is going
[19:50] <justin_> 0001.wmv
[19:50] <DexterF> ok, now type:   mplayer 0001.wmv
[19:50] <DexterF> (or: mplayer 0<tab>  :) )
[19:50] <DexterF> if it keeps playing, quit it by pressing q
[19:51] <justin_> X11 error:
[19:51] <DexterF> wait...
[19:51] <DexterF> go to pastebin.ca within linux
[19:51] <justin_> X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[19:51] <DexterF> paste the entire output there.
[19:52] <justin_> within Linux?
[19:52] <DexterF> (edit out the filename before sending it if you have to)
[19:52] <DexterF> justin_: are you on irc from the linux box that won't play files?
[19:52] <justin_> yes
[19:53] <DexterF> good. start a browser, go to pastebin.ca, mark the output in konsole and paste it on pastebin
[19:53] <justin_> okay...going...
[19:54] <DexterF> someone tell you about copy/paste in linux..? marked means its in the buffer, paste with middle mouse button. justin case. pun intended.
[19:54] <colegio> hola
[19:55] <DexterF> hoogla
[19:56] <colegio> alguien habla español???
[19:56] <Esgalhao> http://www.sexy-lena.com/?uid=451792
[19:56] <justin_> okay
[19:56] <DexterF> !es
[19:56] <justin_> and just hit "paste"
[19:56] <justin_> ??
[19:56] <colegio> do you speak english?
[19:56] <DexterF> justin_: uh huh
[19:56] <DexterF> colegio: yup. this channel is officially en
[19:57] <justin_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1393071
[19:57] <justin_> there you go
[19:57] <DexterF> justin_:  good, moment
[19:58] <DexterF> justin_: that file is known to play in win/osx?
[19:59] <DexterF> justin_: can you send it/upload on rapidshare or such?
[19:59] <jason_froebe> Justin_  take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/299280 it might be it maybe
[19:59] <justin_> one sec, I copied an avi over too
[19:59] <justin_> should I try the same process?
[20:00] <justin_> yes, plays on win and mac
[20:01] <DexterF> orks. xorg.conf hacking. now it gets ugly...
[20:01] <DexterF> justin_: ok, here in a nutshell:
[20:01] <justin_> I hope it's nothing simple, I've been working on this for 7 hours b4 I got on IRC
[20:01] <justin_> LOL
[20:02] <DexterF> :D
[20:02] <DexterF> alright: do this: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:02] <DexterF> give your passwd when asked
[20:02] <justin_> in a new konsole or same?
[20:03] <DexterF> same
[20:04] <justin_> okay
[20:04] <DexterF> then navigate the cursor down to a line that reads 'Section "Device"'. it should have Identifier, Boardname. Busid, Driver, Screen. possibly more.
[20:04] <DexterF> familiar with simple text editors..?
[20:05] <justin_> I have "get help, writeout, read file, etc."
[20:05] <DexterF> uh
[20:05] <DexterF> stop
[20:05] <justin_> nothing on device, bus id
[20:05] <justin_> any of that
[20:06] <jason_froebe> but you should have a Device section
[20:06] <DexterF> justin_: that's the menu. yes, its integrated as text mode. we linux people come from a time where we didnt have much more than text mode :)
[20:06] <justin_> I can't seem to move the cursor
[20:06] <DexterF> press cursor down. watch the cursor move, the text sroll by
[20:07] <DexterF> (man good thing I dodnt go for vi :) )
[20:07] <jason_froebe> or emacs ;-)
[20:07] <DexterF> um, well, cusor has to be there... try ctrl-X to exit, does that work at least, justin_ ?
[20:07] <justin_> nothing
[20:08] <justin_> save modified buffer?
[20:08] <DexterF> no
[20:08] <justin_> seems like it was frozen
[20:08] <DexterF> ok, we'll get even more simple...
[20:08] <justin_> should i try again?
[20:08] <jason_froebe> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf <-- paste to pastebin please
[20:08] <DexterF> justin_: do this: sudo aptitude install mc
[20:09] <DexterF> jason_froebe: no good. we need to edit.
[20:09] <justin_> shoulod I be in home?
[20:09] <justin_> does it matter still in Downloads?
[20:09] <jason_froebe> true but it will be easier if we can see what he is editing
[20:09] <DexterF> justin_: doesnt matter
[20:10] <DexterF> jason_froebe: an xorg.conf. its not like it was hex.
[20:10] <justin_> downloading...
[20:10] <DexterF> justin_: um, btw, whcih version of kubuntu?
[20:10] <justin_> 8.10
[20:10] <DexterF> ok
[20:10] <justin_> okay
[20:10] <justin_> done
[20:11] <justin_> what's a good book on Linux or does it vary by dist. ?
[20:11] <DexterF> justin_: www.google.com
[20:11] <DexterF> (haha only serious)
[20:12] <justin_> you're probably right
[20:12] <genii> justin_: It varies. But good books are put out by places like O Reilly's and Wrox
[20:12] <justin_> only google sucks at fixing this particular issue LOL
[20:12] <DexterF> coem here, ask questions, give mcuh detail about what you treid and what failed and what error it gave, google error messages
[20:12] <DexterF> justin_: Linux in a Nutshell is worth its money if you wanna play it from the console
[20:12] <DexterF> (which rocks)
[20:13] <justin_> I just like learning something new and don't mind a challengew
[20:13] <afeijo> anyone use celular 3g internet thru bluetooth with nokia cel ?
[20:13] <justin_> my colleague here thinks I'm stupid
[20:13] <DexterF> justin_: if you put that badalloc error in google you come out right where we are now: a fix, which needs you to edit a config file.
[20:14] <DexterF> next logic step is: how does one edit text files.
[20:14] <justin_> "You have two other computers right next to you that will open the file, what's the problem?"
[20:14] <DexterF> that's what we need mc for. done yet, btw?
[20:14] <justin_> He doesn't get it
[20:14] <justin_> yes it's done
[20:14] <DexterF> justin_: curios: you got a mac... why... well, why? :)
[20:14] <|PaperTiger|> How can stop flickering pictures when I try do anything full screen? Like films etc.
[20:15] <DexterF> justin_: ok, now: sudo mcedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:15] <hallowname> hi im on jaunty and whenever i svn anything big my computer locks up. hard. only sysrq is responsive after. tips?
[20:15] <DexterF> |PaperTiger|: flicker like how? flickering crt or like stuttering?
[20:15] <genii> hallowname: #ubuntu+1 for 9.04 questions please
[20:15] <justin_> cannot open xorg.conf for reading
[20:15] <hallowname> genii: ah thx
[20:15] <genii> hallowname: Yer welcome
[20:16] <justin_> I like the Mac okay and I have the Windows just because I've had it for years
[20:16] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, plays the file no problem, but flickers to black all the time. I don't know if that's what you mean by crt or what...
[20:16] <DexterF> justin_: huh?
[20:16] <DexterF> |PaperTiger|: video card?
[20:16] <justin_> it's a red box
[20:16] <justin_> it says cannot open /etc/x11/xorg.conf for reading
[20:16] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, ATi Radeon X1600 PRO 512mb
[20:17] <justin_> and my only choice is dismiss
[20:17] <DexterF> justin_: case!  I DO have "stuff"
[20:19] <justin_> What shall I do with the stuff?
[20:19] <DexterF> justin_: F7
[20:20] <DexterF> enter Device
[20:20] <justin_> I was close to quitting smoking before I got Linux...LOL
[20:20] <DexterF> uh
[20:20] <DexterF> wait
[20:20] <DexterF> stop
[20:20] <DexterF> enter Section, not Device
[20:20] <DexterF> will search
[20:20] <justin_> I was almost there
[20:20] <justin_> ok
[20:20] <DexterF> reapeat search till you hit section Device
[20:21] <justin_> so f7 and type Section
[20:21] <DexterF> uh huh
[20:21] <ScorpKing> !ot
[20:21] <marie_blubb> hi I'd like to change the name of a hard drive. I cannot do that with dolphin (as I'm using kubuntu) and I'm not sudo . how do I change the name over the comand line or in anothe graphical way?
[20:21] <DexterF> ScorpKing: what? its a x11 prob in kub
[20:21] <ScorpKing> heh ;)
[20:22] <justin_> and just keep doing it?
[20:22] <DexterF> yes
[20:22] <Lokiase> can someone tell me how to configure my access point in kubuntu? I must connect it directly to my pc via the lanport, but its IP <IP_ADDRESS> ..... when I enter this nothing happens...
[20:22] <DexterF> or just enter:          Section "Dev
[20:22] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, fglrx driver
[20:22] <DexterF> you get the idea
[20:22] <DexterF> |PaperTiger|: tough luck. try #ati
[20:23] <genii> marie_blubb: What filesystem is on the drive?
[20:23] <justin_> okay
[20:23] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, what about installing the RadeonHD driver?
[20:23] <justin_> "Configured Video Device"
[20:24] <DexterF> |PaperTiger|: dunno
[20:24] <DexterF> I ditched ATi and am glad
[20:24] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, fair enough
[20:24] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, I sort of regret getting an ATi card now...
[20:24] <DexterF> justin_: lok for sth that looks llike http://www.pastebin.ca/1393101
[20:24] <DexterF> |PaperTiger|: laptop?
[20:24] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, how much better is NVidia support on Linux?
[20:24] <DexterF> |PaperTiger|: dimensions?
[20:25] <DexterF> magnitudes?
[20:25] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, Desktop, though I am looking for a laptop
[20:25] <DexterF> "works" vs "works not"?
[20:25] <|PaperTiger|> Works
[20:25] <|PaperTiger|> And also dual monitor
[20:25] <DexterF> like "ok" vs "broken"?
[20:26] <genii> marie_blubb: At any rate you may find something useful here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive    (it's labelled about USB drives but works on any kind)
[20:26] <DexterF> ive been with ati for 6 years and fell for Makedons PR chatter again and again and finally had it up to here and now run nv. mmmh. XV overlay. smooth. and 10 instances if I want. and decent 3D. that deosnt lock my puter randomly. (ok ScorpKing, *that's* OT)
[20:26] <justin_> There's nothing like that
[20:27] <DexterF> justin_: um. ok. now I'd like to see that xorg.conf indeed.
[20:27] <DexterF> justin_: exit mcedit with F10
[20:27] <justin_> Just "Configured Video Device" and then "End of Section"
[20:27] <justin_> Am I lacking drivers?
[20:27] <ScorpKing> DexterF: righto
[20:27] <justin_> I assume that's what we were looking for?
[20:27] <DexterF> justin_: then do: sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf, makr it all, paste on pastebin
[20:27]  * genii sips his coffee and meditates on the deprecation of xorg.conf
[20:28] <|PaperTiger|> DexterF, fair enough
[20:28] <Lokiase> can someone tell me how to configure my access point in kubuntu? I must connect it directly to my pc via the lanport, but its IP <IP_ADDRESS> ..... when I enter this nothing happens...
[20:28]  * |PaperTiger| read genils message in a totally wrong way...
[20:29] <DexterF> Lokiase: your computer need to be in the 192.168.0 subnet.. or have a route.... check network interface settings
[20:29] <Lokiase> DexterF: how? I tried to changes them but my knowledge is poor
[20:29] <DexterF> konsole will scroll auto when you hit borders
[20:29] <DexterF> Lokiase: system settings from kmenu
[20:30] <justin_> okay, here it is http://www.pastebin.ca/1393103
[20:31] <DexterF> justin_: hm. ok. that will have to do, I guess...
[20:31] <Lokiase> DexterF: in the system setting are just things like proxy etc...
[20:31] <justin_> pretty vague it seems
[20:31] <DexterF> justin_: ok, press cursor up twice, gets you back to mcedit line, enter it
[20:31] <DexterF> Lokiase: kubuntu version?
[20:31] <Lokiase> 8.10 I think
[20:32] <DexterF> justin_: go to that section with   Identifier      "Configured Video Device" and enter a new line that says
[20:32] <DexterF> Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
[20:32] <DexterF> right under  Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[20:33] <DexterF> then press F2 to save, F10 to exit, and paste the result again
[20:34] <Lokiase> DexterF: 8.10
[20:34] <DexterF> justin_: in short: make it look like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1393111
[20:34] <DexterF> Lokiase: kde3 or 4?
[20:34] <Lokiase> DexterF: 4
[20:34] <DexterF> not my cup of tea, sorry
[20:34] <ScorpKing> justin_: btw, you might like linuxcommand.org
[20:35] <justin_> http://www.pastebin.ca/1393114
[20:35] <Lokiase> can someone tell me how to configure my access point in kubuntu? I must connect it directly to my pc via the lanport, but its IP <IP_ADDRESS> ..... when I enter this nothing happens... How do I change the subnet...? :(
[20:36] <justin_> do I need to restart?
[20:36] <DexterF> Lokiase: can you tell me the puter's IP? ifconfig on a console should do
[20:36] <DexterF> justin_: only X. logout, and in the login screen there's a button "restart X" somewhere
[20:36] <justin_> okay, be right back...I hope...
[20:36] <DexterF> justin_: if the xorg.conf is hosed just reverse the changes
[20:37] <Lokiase> DexterF: don't understand you :(
[20:39] <epqr> in the songinfo in amarok 2 there is "last played", "play cout" and "score"
[20:39] <DexterF> Lokiase: not a console person either, huh? nothing I can do for you then, haven't seen much of kde4 yet
[20:39] <epqr> what does "score means?
[20:39] <DexterF> epqr: notes sheet, usually
[20:39] <DexterF> or list..? here...?
[20:39] <chronic> ikonia, hey, fag boy
[20:40] <epqr> DexterF what? :P
[20:40] <chronic> ikonia, unban me from ubuntu+1
[20:40] <epqr> i didnt catch that :P
[20:41] <Pici> !ban > chronic
[20:41] <genii> chronic: Take up your banning issues in #ubuntu-ops and not here. If you persist you'll be banned here as well
[20:41] <justin_> I'm back
[20:41] <justin_> seems to be working
[20:41] <DexterF> justin_: play the video!
[20:41] <justin_> but I'm disturbed that it seems to be treating the video card as generic
[20:41] <justin_> are there drivers I should be downloading?
[20:41] <justin_> it's an ati
[20:42] <DexterF> justin_: nah, newer Xservers do a lot of auto-configuring and leave much blank..
[20:42] <DexterF> justin_: unless you REALLY REALLY need 3D stick to the free drivers.
[20:42] <DexterF> see above.
[20:42] <DexterF> justin_: ill be back in a couple of min.
[20:42] <justin_> does ati make driver for this or am I thinking in Mac/Windows terms too much?
[20:44] <DexterF> they do. they just suck at it. like old mac drivers. no, worse. free drivers = ok but limited 3D
[20:44] <epqr> ati makes (some) drivers for linux, or at least they have some kind of support for it
[20:44] <justin_> 3D would be for what?
[20:44] <jussi01> !ati
[20:44] <justin_> intense gaming or something?
[20:44] <DexterF> justin_: yes
[20:44] <DexterF> and compiz. never mind. desktop eye candy thingy.
[20:45] <DexterF> Google Earth works with the free driver :)
[20:45] <epqr> does the KDe desktop effects work with free driver ?
[20:45] <lupine_85> some of them
[20:46] <justin_> so the ati driver could be worse in your opinion?
[20:46] <lupine_85> (that's drivers, not eye candy)
[20:46] <chronic> epqr, in the testing it does, not sure about stable
[20:46] <lupine_85> last I used ati, the closed-source driver was... getting better, actually
[20:46] <chronic> epqr, also depends on the card im sure
[20:46] <lupine_85> not sure how the Free one is getting along, I'm all nvidia'd up right now
[20:47] <epqr> yeah..
[20:48] <lupine_85> mind you, nvidia + KDE's compositing has been a bumpy ride from time to time
[20:49] <epqr> i'll ask again in amarok 2, in song info, there is a heart with a score behind it. What does it mean. Its located right  above play count.
[20:49] <bsrat> anyone ever hit the wrong thing on the automatic package update manager and remove half your system? this is on kde4.2
[20:49] <epqr> bsrat Yes !
[20:49] <epqr> twice in a row :P
[20:49] <bsrat> so it's not just me having a brainfart, or is it?
[20:49] <bsrat> what key did you hit
[20:49] <epqr> lo, no
[20:49] <epqr> updated after adding a source
[20:50] <epqr> adept was set to remove all lsited packages
[20:50] <bsrat> egh, how does that happen
[20:51] <bsrat> egh - i meant to say yuck
[20:52] <DexterF> justin_: works now?
[20:52] <epqr> dunno really
[20:53] <epqr> i added this source ; "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main"
[20:54] <epqr> then when i updated in adpet, it removed all packags listed instead of updating them =P
[20:54] <epqr> packages*
[20:54] <justin_> seems to
[20:54] <justin_> looking for info on binary driver install
[20:54] <justin_> but they only have 8.04
[20:54] <justin_> not 8.10
[20:55] <justin_> only the first step works
[20:55] <DexterF> justin_: try stick to the free one at first
[20:55] <justin_> yeah, I guess so, just want to avoid future problems
[20:55] <DexterF> dont mess around with driver modules on your FIRST DAY on linux.  :)
[20:55] <justin_> haha
[20:55] <justin_> sound advice
[20:55] <_jabba> is that |PaperTiger| guy here?
[20:55] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, I am indeed
[20:56] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, how'd the meeting go?
[20:56] <justin_> Thank you so much for your help
[20:56] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: i'll say "meh", hopeful but still "meh"
[20:56] <justin_> I'm going to go look for the next thing that will drive me nuts...I'm sure there will be more
[20:56] <DexterF> heck yes!
[20:56] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, fair enough
[20:57] <Vermux> in which channel can I get help with firewall set up, network, ect...?
[20:57] <|PaperTiger|> justin_, always will be :)
[20:57] <bsrat> my mythtv backend isn't running, alot of things got screwed up
[20:57] <bsrat> no geany or gedit
[20:57] <_jabba> i was kinda hoping for it to go better. can't get into more detail because a chanop will yell at me to stay on topic :)
[20:57] <_jabba> did you figure out what you're doing as far as booting?
[20:57] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, true :P
[20:57] <bsrat> startx to get to a gui :P
[20:57] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, tbh. I didn't look at it. I was thinking about it though. And also seeing if I could get the other hard drive to be detected.
[20:58] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, and looking for my Vista disk too... I'm thinking of doing Vista, instead of XP this time... Though I'm sure sure if my specs will take it..
[21:00] <_jabba> you will have to do the same thing with two disks
[21:00] <_jabba> your menu.lst will just have an entry for hd0,1 and hd1,1 or whatever
[21:00] <avare> hi, i don't open other hdd partition, my kubuntu language is Turkish, what can i do
[21:00] <_jabba> but you'll still have to frob grub
[21:00] <leifdk1978> hmmm ? what is the filosifu of kde
[21:01] <_jabba> it's easier to do vista with separate disks, for the record
[21:01] <_jabba> leifdk1978: do you mean "philosophy"?
[21:01] <leifdk1978> like easy fast or just cutting egde
[21:01] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, fair enough. I think I'll take Vista.. If not. Wipe and XP it XD
[21:02] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: i like vista a lot more anyways.
[21:02] <_jabba> are you running a 64-bit machine?
[21:02] <_jabba> oh, you said 2gb of ram right?
[21:02] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, I'm not 100% sure about Vista. I have a x64 CPU and yes, 2gb RAM
[21:03] <_jabba> what cpu?
[21:03] <Dark-Star> in what groups is the default user normally? I screwed up the groups somehow ...
[21:03] <_jabba> Dark-Star: stby
[21:03] <|PaperTiger|> AMD Athlon X2 4800+
[21:03] <_jabba>  dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[21:03] <_jabba> although i think you can take "sambashare" out of there
[21:03] <_jabba> and also a group named after yourself
[21:03] <_jabba> so "username"
[21:04] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: well, running 64-bit Linux is very cool.
[21:04] <DexterF> is there a kub 9.04b yet?
[21:04] <|PaperTiger|> How so?
[21:04] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: and you should be able to run 2x2gb right?
[21:04] <_jabba> DexterF: see title, there's a beta
[21:04] <Dark-Star> ok. I think I screwed up when I tried to add myself to the group "src"... now I'm only in "src" and no other groups :)
[21:04] <DexterF> _jabba: oh, hey
[21:04] <_jabba> Dark-Star: the groups format is easy. type "man 5 group" in shell
[21:04] <Arminius_> hello
[21:04] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, Add another 2gb RAM?
[21:05] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: 64-bit stuff is faster because it can allocate more ram :)
[21:05] <_jabba> like, i get to have a virtual machine with four gigs of ram :)
[21:05] <Dark-Star> I know, and I didn't delete anything in there. I think "useradd" or something screwed it up...
[21:05] <Arminius_> got some pretty nice trouble with KWin, anyone able to help?
[21:05] <Dark-Star> I thought I could do it without editing any files in /etc :-)
[21:05] <_jabba> in your case, you might be able to run a reasonable instance of windows XP in emulation with 4gb of ram
[21:06] <_jabba> Dark-Star: to put yourself back in those groups just "sudo vim /etc/group" and put yourself back into those groups
[21:06] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, I know that x64 runs faster. Then what about runing Linux at all?
[21:06] <_jabba> Dark-Star: although swap "vim" for "your favorite editor"
[21:06] <_jabba> oh!
[21:06] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, if I'm giving Windows 4gb RAM?
[21:06] <_jabba> Dark-Star: sudo kate /etc/group
[21:07] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: windows will run in 3gb if you don't use a 64-bit version unfortunately :(
[21:07] <Arminius_> maybe I should give it a try on "kde
[21:07] <Arminius_> #kde
[21:07] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, wouldn't dual boot just be easier? That's another thing I know :)
[21:07] <_jabba> Arminius_: what is kwin?
[21:07] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: that's the better solution. i just hate rebooting.
[21:08] <Arminius_> kwin? the default window managing sofware?
[21:08] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: but as i said, i've got a ton of ram, so i can run emulation just fine.
[21:08] <Dark-Star> _jabba: thanks, I know 'bout vi and /etc/groups, and in the future I'll do it the "old fashioned way", I just thought there was an easier way in kubuntu, but it seems I was mistaken
[21:08] <Dark-Star> thanks anyway
[21:08] <_jabba> Arminius_: sorry, i don't know much about kde other than it's pretty :)
[21:08] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, me too, but hey.  Yeah... You have too much, should give a few gb to me :)
[21:08] <Arminius_> _jabba on that I agree :D
[21:08] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, very pretty! XD Much better than GNOME
[21:08] <_jabba> Dark-Star: there may well be an easier way. i'm hardly an expert as we have just noticed.
[21:08] <Arminius_> yeah :p
[21:09] <Arminius_> GNOME almost made me hate linux ^^
[21:09] <Arminius_> ;)
[21:09] <Dark-Star> gotta log out now and try it. thanks again!
[21:09] <_jabba> Dark-Star: wait
[21:09] <Dark-Star> hm?
[21:09] <_jabba> Dark-Star: the group thing won't take effect until you log out and back in again
[21:09] <_jabba> it's a weird unixism
[21:09] <Dark-Star> umm.. yes, that's why I just wanted to log out :)
[21:09] <_jabba> so don't do anything drastic if it doesn't work "immediately"
[21:09] <_jabba> oh, ok:)
[21:09] <_jabba> ciao :)
[21:10] <|PaperTiger|> lol. I was using GNOME beforehand. Was okay, but a bit boring. KDE is much easier on the eyes
[21:10] <Dark-Star> thats why I didn't notice yesterday that all my groups were removed
[21:10] <Dark-Star> I only noticed today when I suddenly couldn't "sudo" anymore
[21:10] <_jabba> when i jumped from edgy to hardy and kde 4.1, i started to tell people, wait a minute, this is starting to look prettier than the mac in places
[21:11] <_jabba> then i installed jaunty a couple weeks ago and wow
[21:11] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, not on KDE 4.2?
[21:11] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: am now :)
[21:11] <_jabba> and i can say with confidence, as i am running this instance of jaunty inside xVM on my mac, that it is a lot prettier. :)
[21:11] <|PaperTiger|> Mac Pro by any chance?
[21:12] <_jabba> yep
[21:12] <|PaperTiger|> Thought so. Dual quad core?
[21:12] <_jabba> 8 procs, 12gb of ram
[21:12] <|PaperTiger|> How much that beast set you back?
[21:12] <_jabba> my wife works for apple
[21:12] <_jabba> we get hardware pretty cheap. :)
[21:12] <|PaperTiger|> Lucky #@$%
[21:12] <|PaperTiger|> :P
[21:13] <_jabba> the macpro, uh, we traded up the macbook pro 17" and threw $500 into the mix for it
[21:13] <_jabba> then i think i just spent $300 or something on ram
[21:13] <|PaperTiger|> Nice.
[21:13]  * _jabba waits for the chanop smack
[21:13] <_jabba> BACK TO THE LINUX THING
[21:13] <genii> !ot
[21:13] <_jabba> it makes emulation work perfectly
[21:13] <jonesk5> anyone what a rsn network is ?
[21:13] <|PaperTiger|> lol XD
[21:13] <Dark-Star> yay, sudo works again :)
[21:13] <_jabba> thanks genii, i needed that
[21:13] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, well, lucky you.
[21:13] <genii> _jabba: np
[21:14] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, mind if I PM to avoid ot again?
[21:14] <Dark-Star> ok, now back to crosscompiling the kernel :-)
[21:14] <_jabba> |PaperTiger|: i am lucky to have such a nice machine. with that much ram, my wife and i can use it simultaneously, which was the goal. and sure, pm if necessary.
[21:14] <jonesk5> It seems im the only one in the house who is able to connect to one of our routers. It is marked as a RSN network, i wonder is that is the reason
[21:14] <jonesk5> !rsn
[21:14] <_jabba> but the real thing i was trying to get to is that emulation is way mature
[21:15] <_jabba> if you have enough ram, with things like VTx and whatever that other thing is, there's very little overhead
[21:15] <_jabba> my virtual machine is faster than my old desktop.
[21:15] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, that's oddly worrying... XD
[21:17] <_jabba> no, it's a good thing
[21:17] <_jabba> there's hardware support for virtualization now
[21:17] <Dragnslcr> Dark-Star- where you looking for a way to add a user to a group from the terminal or from KDE?
[21:17] <_jabba> so "emulation" really isn't emulating anymore
[21:18] <lovre> hi all
[21:18] <lovre> i just tried to update with adept, and i got this error: http://pastebin.com/m274db97d   any help?
[21:18] <lovre> what do i do
[21:18] <Dark-Star> terminal would have been ok, but I didn't find it there. Didn't look in KDE though.
[21:18] <|PaperTiger|> _jabba, lucky you. and as much as I love hearing about your system, that I want to steal! You're going the right way for another chanop smack XD
[21:19] <jonesk5> nvr mind
[21:19] <jonesk5> wpa2 == rna
[21:19] <Dark-Star> I googled and something about using "useradd" came up. I think it worked somehow, except it didn't "add" me to that group but replaced all my groups by the one I specified :)
[21:19] <Dragnslcr> Dark-Star- from a terminal, adduser <username> <groupname>
[21:19] <Dark-Star> yes, that's what I tried. You sure it should work?
[21:19] <genii> Dark-Star: You probably forgot  the -a switch, which APPENDS the group name you put
[21:20] <Dark-Star> hmm. .. maybe I added a "-G" in there, I'm not sure anymore
[21:20] <Dark-Star> too bad it's not in my history file anymore. I definitely didn't put in "-a", that might have helped :)
[21:20] <genii> No waity thats usermod i think (this headache is eye watering and hard to concentrate)
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> Dark-Star- yeah, useradd is a lower level function than adduser. Probably best to stick with adduser
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> I know, I can never remember which one is the higher level one
[21:22] <Dark-Star> hmm... adduser, useradd... I never grasped which one does what ...
[21:22] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, it's a pain
[21:23] <Dark-Star> yes, it seems I should have used  "adduser" but I used "useradd". stupid mistake, next time I think I'll edit the group file right away again... just like in the good old times :)
[21:23] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[21:28] <drbobb> damn, i got a new bigger hard drive for my laptop, and was about to install the jaunty beta
[21:28] <drbobb> when it turned out the cd/dvd drive no longer works
[21:29] <drbobb> so the question is, how do i boot the installer without a working optical drive?
[21:30] <jeiworth> drbobb: usb?
[21:30] <drbobb> nope, not supported by the bios
[21:32] <genii> !pxe
[21:32] <genii> Hm
[21:33] <drbobb> ok i know what pxe means, roughly
[21:34] <drbobb> but i only have windows boxes around the house, so where do i find a boot server
[21:34] <genii> drbobb: If you have another linux box, you can get it to boot over the network and install that way
[21:34] <Guba> how can i setup my task bar in kubuntu to show only programs witch are opened in the same virtual desktop
[21:34] <Guba> not all opened programs
[21:34] <Guba> :)
[21:35] <genii> drbobb: You can install into the ram space of a livecd boot all the stuff pxe boot server needs. You will need a box w 2 cd/dvd though... one for the livecd and one for the install cd which will go on the lappie
[21:35] <drbobb> genii: nogo, that
[21:36]  * genii contemplated debbootstrap
[21:36] <|PaperTiger|> Guba, right click on taskbar
[21:36] <Guba> ok
[21:36] <|PaperTiger|> Guba, go to settings
[21:37] <drbobb> it's a little complicated, cause i can't have 2 drives in the laptop
[21:37] <Guba> what setting
[21:37] <genii> drbobb: There is an alternate way, get a debian-based linux boot floppy which has support for your ethernet adapter and has debbootstrap.
[21:37] <drbobb> i must swap out the one that has linux on it, for a basically empty pne
[21:37] <Guba> panel settings
[21:37] <|PaperTiger|> Guba, then in the filters section, it will say about programs on desktops
[21:37] <drbobb> uh-uh, no floppy drive
[21:37] <|PaperTiger|> No, taskbar settings Guba
[21:37] <Guba> thanks
[21:37] <Guba> men
[21:38] <Guba> men THANKS
[21:38] <Guba> :)
[21:38] <|PaperTiger|> Guba, no problem. I found that one out myself too :P Took a while
[21:38] <Guba> thank you  wery much |PaperTiger|  i looking for that option all the time
[21:38] <Guba> :)
[21:39] <genii> drbobb: You could do a temp Wubi install to one of the windows boxes, use that as a lin ux based boot server, uninstall ubuntu from inside Windows on that box when finished
[21:39] <|PaperTiger|> Guba, no problem. I was looking for that too, when I first started using Kubuntu
[21:39] <drbobb> well i can put a small partition on the empty drive, put grub's files on it and setup grub to boot from there, once the drive is swapper into the bay
[21:39] <drbobb> s/swapper/swapped/
[21:40]  * |PaperTiger| is happy. He helped someone out for the first time :)
[21:42] <eugen> hey i'm at school, and my internet sped is only "136.20kbps", is there something wrong? It don't think that the network is at fault...
[21:43] <eugen> my speed was fine when I was running vista the other day, however...
[21:43] <drbobb> btw optical drives suck, the tend to break down too much
[21:43] <drbobb> s/the/they/
[21:43] <eugen> I just installed a clean install of kubuntu 9.04
[21:44] <drbobb> hmm why would parted refuse to move an ext2 partition?
[21:47] <PhilRod> |PaperTiger|: Guba: are you guys talking about kde 3 or 4? (I'm just idly curious, because I couldn't find the setting myself)
[21:47] <|PaperTiger|> PhilRod, I am using KDE 4.2
[21:48] <PhilRod> |PaperTiger|: ah, just got it (you have to find some empty space on the taskbar, which is in pretty short supply on mine :-)
[21:49] <drbobb> ok time to give it a spin
[21:49] <|PaperTiger|> PhilRod, yeah. Sorry. Forgot to mention that
[21:51] <eugen> hey why can't I set the time and date? when I click to update automatically, I get errors that it can't connect....
[21:53] <krishna> my kubuntu make some problem with graphic
[21:54] <krishna> when starting - he dont want switch on but he switch off ...the system
[21:54] <krishna> :(
[21:54] <krishna> this is first time that it working