[10:33] <bravebug> Why ubuntu traslators translates already translated packeges?
[13:43] <lukjad007> Hey TuxPurple
[14:05] <ludovicc> hello
[14:33] <vdquynh> Hi, Is this where the Ubuntu Translation meeting is going on ?
[15:59] <dpm> soren, hi everyone!
[16:00] <dpm> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is dpm.
[16:01] <dpm> soren, whoever's here for the translations meeting, give a shout!
[16:01] <evanrmurphy> here! (mostly)
[16:02] <dpm> hi evanrmurphy!
[16:02] <evanrmurphy> hi dpm :)
[16:02] <dpm> we'll wait a couple of minutes to see if other folks come by
[16:02] <czajkowski> alhoa
[16:02] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[16:03]  * ScottK pokes his head in to say thanks for all the great support for fixing Kubuntu translations yesterday.
[16:03] <dpm> hey ScottK! :-) It was great teamwork
[16:03] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:04] <ScottK> I think we got more done yesterday than in the entire last year.
[16:04] <dpm> cool
[16:06] <dpm> as adiroiban was the one wanting to further discuss the first topic (Ubuntu Translations project) and he's not yet here, and as I believe we haven't got anyone from the Hebrew community to talk about the Hebrew translations issues, let's reshuffle the agenda:
[16:06] <rgreening> yay for improving kubuntu :) thanks
[16:07] <dpm> I'll start with a brief report on the Kubuntu Translations Day yesterday
[16:08] <dpm> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Translations Day report
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Translations Day report
[16:09] <dpm> yesterday we celebrated the Kubuntu Translations Day on #kubuntu-devel, with the purpose of getting Kubuntu translations in good shape for Karmic and in general to give them some love
[16:10] <dpm> most of the work we did was not based on actual translations, but rather internationalization work, as a basis for:
[16:11] <dpm> a) users to see their apps properly translated in Kubuntu Karmic
[16:11] <dpm> b) translators to be able to translate them
[16:11] <dpm> we covered a lot of ground, and we got some bug reports to start working on
[16:12] <dpm> so this is still ongoing work, I do not want to stop it here
[16:13] <dpm> on the whole, I think the outcome was very positive and I'd like to repeat it again
[16:14] <dpm> we basically focused on Karmic, but we might use some of this work for Jaunty as well
[16:15] <dpm> for me personally, it was also a good opportunity to learn how the Kubuntu/KDE translation infrastructure works, and it was a fulfilling experience
[16:16] <dpm> we also had upstream presence there, yurchov, from the Ukranian KDE translation team, and we had the opportunity to exchange views and knowledge on Kubuntu-KDE translations
[16:17] <dpm> it will take some days to see the results of the work still, until the next karmic language packs are released, but during the release cycle they are released ca. every couple of days IIRC
[16:18] <dpm> so it shouldn't actually take long
[16:18] <dpm> I think that was all from my part, has anyone got any questions?
[16:23] <dpm> it seems there aren't any questions, nor many people around so I'll skip the discussion topics and I'll just report on the next topic
[16:24] <dpm> and go on with the monologue :-)
[16:28] <dpm> [TOPIC] GNOME help files shipped verbatim in language packs
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  GNOME help files shipped verbatim in language packs
[16:31] <dpm> There's work in progress in getting the GNOME help files in language packs
[16:31] <dpm> This will _probably_ be done for Karmic
[16:31] <czajkowski> that would be rather helpful
[16:32] <dpm> yes, but I should highlight that at this point this will only be a (Live-/Alternate-)CD space-saving feature,
[16:33] <dpm> since the xml to PO (import) and PO to xml (langpack export) conversion will still have to be done manually.
[16:33] <dpm> We will only copy the verbatim bits, no xml <-> po conversion for now, that requires proper rosetta support
[16:34] <dpm> which is not yet implemented
[16:35] <dpm> For those interested in the (technical) details, here's the corresponding bug -> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/123020
[16:36] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks
[16:36] <czajkowski> .c
[16:37] <dpm> np :)
[16:39] <dpm> hopefully this will give us some more space in the CD for additional language packs, although since we're also adding features and generally making Ubuntu rocking harder every time, space in the CD is always a balance between features and functionality
[16:39] <dpm> sorry, that was wrong, features and _usability_ :-)
[16:41] <dpm> anyway, I think since there's not many folks around I'd say we move the pending topics to the mailing list and we make the rest of the meeting a Q+A session on translations, what do you say?
[16:42] <evanrmurphy> ay
[16:43] <dpm> ok, so now's the chance to ask everything you wanted to know on translations and were afraid to ask, just shoot :-)
[16:43] <czajkowski> well this is more a general question about translations
[16:43] <dpm> [TOPIC] Translations Q+A
[16:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Translations Q+A
[16:44] <dpm> sure, feel free to ask czajkowski
[16:44] <czajkowski> we;re trying to do more for our team irish, but we keep seening to start bits and pieces here and there, for other teams, how do you do it, everyone work on seperate areas, or work on one area till it's done
[16:45] <czajkowski> maybe it's more a question for -locoteams, but seeing as folks are in here I said I'd ask
[16:48] <dpm> I think it's a perfect question for this meeting :) The way of working depends on each team. I guess the first question would be where you want to put your translation efforts: Ubuntu or Kubuntu. Form a comment from shanefagan, IIRC I think the Irish team want to concentrate on Ubuntu
[16:48] <czajkowski> aye,
[16:48] <czajkowski> so last night I looked at Ubuntu one, and it's half done.
[16:49] <czajkowski> just wondering do teams have trnaslation meet ups and do it at the same time or jsut keep going at it
[16:49] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks
[16:50] <dpm> I think this thread started by evanrmurphy on the ubuntu-translators ML will give you some more insight on how different teams work and communicate -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-July/002618.html
[16:51] <czajkowski> dpm: perfect thanks
[16:51] <dpm> in general I think teams work more in a distributed way
[16:51] <czajkowski> *nods*
[16:51] <dpm> and use mailing lists and forums to communicate
[16:51] <dpm> BUT
[16:51] <dpm> I think translation jams are a good opportunity to get together and get a lot of translations done
[16:52] <czajkowski> dpm: might try one
[16:52] <dpm> that's one of the reasons we are trying to promote them in the Ubuntu Global Jam
[16:52] <dpm> yeah
[16:53] <dpm> As for what to concentrate on to translate: then you can decide on which packages (as in applications) you want to focus on. I'd recommend the most visible ones, since they're also the ones users will first see and will be easier for translators to test
[16:53] <czajkowski> yes I think we're going to have to do one before hand and get people more invovled in it and practice. Leftmost sent us an email asking us to contribute to gnome more upstream but that means not using rosetta, and that is rather nice tool
[16:54] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks you've helped a lot
[16:54] <dpm> czajkowski: np, I'm glad I could help
[16:54] <dpm> you can still use Rosetta and submit translations back to GNOME, though
[16:54] <dpm> it is a bit more technical, but it's still doable
[16:55] <dpm> I've been working on some documentation in the wiki on how to do that
[16:55] <czajkowski> ok good to know at least
[16:56] <dpm> It's still work in progress and I started it to have some material for the Kubuntu Translations Day, but the next step will be for me (or other community members) to document how to contribute back to GNOME
[16:56] <czajkowski> dpm: cool I think that's what leftmost was saying with regard to irish .
[16:57] <dpm> czajkowski: here's the KDE page as an example -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE
[16:57] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:57] <dpm> you're welcome
[16:58] <dpm> anything else for the last 3 mins?
[16:59] <geirha> Are man-pages translatable through rosetta?
[16:59] <dpm> geirha: no, they are not translatable. For those we do not import translations and they are only translatable upstream
[17:00] <dpm> It's mostly for technical reasons
[17:01] <dpm> man pages do not use gettext, which is the translation technology behind most opensource projects, and that's the only format (apart from an exception for Mozilla projects)
[17:01] <geirha> dpm: I see. That explains why I can't find it on lp :)
[17:01] <dpm> yup :)
[17:01] <dpm> anyway, I think we'll leave it here for today
[17:01] <czajkowski> excellent
[17:01] <dpm> many thanks to everyone for listening and for your participation
[17:02]  * dpm claps
[17:02] <dpm> see you around, and in the next meeting :)
[17:02] <dpm> #endmeeting
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:02.
[17:02] <czajkowski> dpm: weather forecast is for rain :)
[17:02] <czajkowski> you have been warned
[17:03] <dpm> hahah, I wasn't expecting anything less
[17:03] <evanrmurphy> later all! :)
[22:57] <EDavidBurg> The FC meeting is about to start, correct?
[22:58] <Snova_> I think so, yes.
[22:58] <DougieRichardson> I believe so
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> we are scheduled to begin in just a few minutes
[22:58] <bodhi_zazen> should be
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> we aren't all here yet, though
[22:58] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo forumsmatthew
[22:58] <Technoviking> here :)
[22:58] <cariboo907> here :)
[22:58] <Bodsda> hello everyone /me is spectating
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> ubuntu-geek and jdong won't be here
[22:59] <EDavidBurg> jdong has been gone a lot recently
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> anyone hear from kiwi and/or bapoumba
[22:59] <liviubero> I am here
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> EDavidBurg, he's working a special summer project
[22:59] <EDavidBurg> Yeah, I heard
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> kiwi was active on the forums just a few minutes ago
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> Agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[23:00] <mint> oh its started?
[23:00] <mint> no?
[23:00] <forumsmatthew> not quite
[23:00] <liviubero> I don't know
[23:00] <mint> lol ok
[23:01] <forumsmatthew> only 3 out of 7 of us are here, with 2 known to be unable to make it
[23:01] <forumsmatthew> we're looking into the other two
[23:01] <lukjad007> Hi
[23:01] <jenkinbr> hello all :)
[23:02] <liviubero> hello
[23:02] <Bodsda> hello
[23:02]  * DougieRichardson waves
[23:02] <lukjad007> Made it back in time!
[23:02] <jenkinbr> forumsmatthew: you mean 3?
[23:02] <mint> at what time will the report icon issue be discussed?
[23:03] <liviubero> I hope after my case
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> jenkinbr, no, I mean 2.
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> 3 are here, 2 can't come, 2 are being checked up on. That's 7
[23:03] <jenkinbr> aw :)
[23:03] <mint> your case?
[23:04] <liviubero> yes, I have an item on the list
[23:04] <jacob> bapoumba has been out since saturday unless I missed something?
[23:04] <mint> oh i see
[23:04] <forumsmatthew> okay, I have confirmed that bapoumba isn't yet back from her trip and won't be here
[23:04] <forumsmatthew> I'm checking on kiwi now
[23:06] <forumsmatthew> well, kiwi seems to have gone offline just before I sent the message to him. as he hasn't made an irc meeting in years, I don't think we will see him
[23:06] <forumsmatthew> okay, bodhi_zazen and Technoviking, should we postpone?
[23:07] <mint> postpone the whole meeting?
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> I think we can discuss a few issues if you are willing
[23:07] <liviubero> I am willing
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> is Lord Xeb here ?
[23:08] <Technoviking> We can discuss and post logs on the discussion, but could not vote on anything
[23:08] <liviubero> but not if don't :-)
[23:08] <forumsmatthew> I think Technoviking is right. We don't have a quorum
[23:08] <forumsmatthew> I would rather postpone discussion until we are able to act
[23:09] <EDavidBurg> Or I can be an honorary FC member :)
[23:09] <forumsmatthew> lol
[23:09] <forumsmatthew> :)
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> I am alright with that, but I think there are a few items that do not need action
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> err, I mean a vote
[23:09] <liviubero> for instance my case?
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> for example , If I recall correct, this is not the first no-show for Lord Xeb
[23:09] <Bodsda> Dougie Richardson's could be discussed?
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> I think we should remove his name from the agenda and he can re-add it if he wishes =)
[23:10] <Technoviking> bodhi_zazen: agreed
[23:10] <forumsmatthew> bodhi_zazen, I think that's reasonable
[23:10] <EDavidBurg> He's been banned a while.
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> Ryan is not here
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> do we wish to discuss #3 ?
[23:10] <EDavidBurg> Can we at least knock out the report button issue? I think that's a pretty minor one with a simple fix.
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> "Testimonials and Experiences"
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> in order of the agenda please =)
[23:11] <forumsmatthew> EDavidBurg, that requires Ryan since he is the only one of us that has direct access to upload images to the server
[23:11] <liviubero> fine for me
[23:11] <mint> ...
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> "Testimonials and Experiences" anyone ?
[23:11] <DougieRichardson> Evening all, the specification summarises my suggestion
[23:11] <forumsmatthew> I don't see anything on the agenda that we can act on, including creating a team
[23:12] <forumsmatthew> it's a good idea
[23:12] <forumsmatthew> let's talk about it when we have a quorum
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> OK
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: we can not act on => next meeting
[23:12] <DougieRichardson> OK but when is the next meeting likely to be?
[23:12] <EDavidBurg> A month or so
[23:12] <liviubero> omg
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> I suggest we defer report icon as we can not act on that either
[23:12]  * DougieRichardson shakes head...
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> Same with LP integration
[23:13] <jacob> looks like Technoviking is already on top of the team reports
[23:13] <liviubero> could you not send a log ?
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> but do we wish to discuss LP at all forumsmatthew ?
[23:13] <mint> excuseme but if the other council mebers couldn't be bothered to show up, isn't it tough luck to them?
[23:13] <liviubero> concerning my stuff
[23:13] <mint> excuse me*
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> please, wait
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> we need a majority of the council present to make decisions
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> four members could not make it
[23:13] <mint> very disappointing
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> due to events in real life
[23:13] <lukjad007> mint You need quorum.
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> they aren't shirking responsibility
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> it happens
[23:14] <lukjad007> mint See Robert's Rules
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> I don't want to push anything
[23:14] <Technoviking> jacob: I trying to get the FC/forum report in every month, but... I'm full of fail sometimes:)
[23:14] <mint> roberts rules?
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> I don't want to see grumpiness
[23:14] <komputes> Concerning the report button, I have to agree with Viva who proposed a red icon on the thread (perhaps a flag?)
[23:14] <EDavidBurg> forumsmatthew: does it require a forum to decide to change the report button? Ryan can get to actually changing it as he has time.
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> take a deep breath
[23:14] <mint> ?
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> EDavidBurg, yes. We'll ask him
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> listen
[23:14] <EDavidBurg> thanks.
[23:14] <jacob> (Technoviking: i'm the same way with our loco reports :-!)
[23:15]  * The_Toxic_Mite wishes to say hello
[23:15] <forumsmatthew> I'll send a note to the FC and we will look for another time to meet, preferably sooner than a month
[23:15] <DougieRichardson> forumsmatthew: I appreciate the need for a quorum its late here and I've waited up for this.  Not meaning to sound sniffy as that's not my intention but if we can't discuss then let's close for now.
[23:15] <forumsmatthew> agreed
[23:15] <forumsmatthew> bye
[23:15] <mint> how utterly pointless
[23:15] <liviubero> hey
[23:15] <The_Toxic_Mite> What's up, mint?
[23:15] <DougieRichardson> OK that's disappointing
[23:15] <liviubero> are you going?
[23:15] <EDavidBurg> Haha, matthew got out of here quick when people started complaining :)
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> mint: happens
[23:16] <liviubero> I've wited up for this
[23:16] <jacob> mint: that's a basic thing: you can't vote on something if there aren't over 50% of people to vote on it
[23:16] <jenkinbr> mint: the Report button is not that big a deal - I think it can wait
[23:16] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey jenkinbr
[23:16] <mint> well bodhi it's still very disappointing
[23:16] <jenkinbr> although I did see the thread merge.
[23:16] <jenkinbr> TTM: hey!
[23:16] <DougieRichardson> has matthew quit?
[23:16] <lukjad007> mint http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#3
[23:16] <mint> doesn't exactly inspire much in the way of the council
[23:16] <lukjad007> DougieRichardson looks like it
[23:16] <Bodsda> DougieRichardson, yeah
[23:16] <komputes> yup
[23:17] <lukjad007> mint The rules are quite clear
[23:17] <liviubero> could you not just log what I have to say in my defence and then act?
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> OK can we get a little order to what remains of this meeting ?
[23:17]  * popey tickles bodhi_zazen
[23:17] <liviubero> you don't have to act now
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> OK, lets go back
[23:17] <lukjad007> mint Nothing can be done without quorum, except call a recess, or adjourn, and something else like that.
[23:17] <liviubero> just listen what I have to say, think about it ad then act
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> I will listen to DougieRichardson
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> as he is first on the agenda =)
[23:18] <liviubero> ok
[23:18]  * lukjad007 quiets down.
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> although understand no actino can be taken
[23:18] <mint> ugh too much bureaucratic nonsense paralyzed by missing members
[23:18] <mint> bye
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> DougieRichardson: ?
[23:18] <DougieRichardson> cheers bodhi_zazen, I'm a bit put out with forrumsmatthew's attitude to be honest
[23:18] <DougieRichardson> Anyhoo
[23:18] <DougieRichardson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forum/Spec/TestimonialTeam
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> OK, sorry about that
[23:19]  * Joeb454 should've stood in as a semi FC member :P
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> DougieRichardson: I like your suggestion
[23:19] <DougieRichardson> Thanks bodhi_zazen
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> Are you willing to spend some time in T&E then ?
[23:19] <DougieRichardson> yes
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> thanks
[23:19] <Bodsda> o/
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I agree with your take
[23:19] <DougieRichardson> I'm stepping back from some other projects for it if needed
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I like moving the threads there
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> lol
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> because otherwise they fill with trolling
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> Its the reaction from our members that seems to cause the issue
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> so moving them to T&E with some dedicated time from you would be a place to start
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> I agree
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> give us an update next meeting =)
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Bodsda: is it on topic ?
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> I will do mate
[23:20] <Bodsda> yes
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> go Bods
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> I think the idea has merit DougieRichardson
[23:21] <Bodsda> I would be willing/I would like to   help out with this if DougieRichardson would allow me to do so. I have read the spec and think it is a very worthy cause
[23:21] <DougieRichardson> ofcourse
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> great
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments ?
[23:22] <EDavidBurg> Is there really a need for an official team?
[23:22] <DougieRichardson> Not just now - as long as the council is in approval I'll flesh it out
[23:22] <DougieRichardson> Yes
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> probably not DougieRichardson
[23:22] <Bodsda> DougieRichardson, appreciated, I'll start spending more time in T&E and try and discuss with you closer to the next FC meeting
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> OK, next topic
[23:22] <jacob> bodhi_zazen: I do have some concerns with it, but they can wait until the next meeting
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]liviubero
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[23:22] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:22. The chair is bodhi_zazen.
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[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]liviubero
[23:22] <MootBot> New Topic: liviubero
[23:22] <EDavidBurg> It just strikes me as a bit... missionary
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: you are up
[23:23] <EDavidBurg> Ah, sorry, next topic. continue.
[23:23] <liviubero> ok
[23:23] <liviubero> may  I speak?
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> although understand no action can be taken so you may wish to defer to next time
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[23:23] <liviubero> I would just like to speak
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> you have the floow
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> floor
[23:23] <liviubero> first of all,
[23:24] <liviubero> thank you for the chance of speaking for myself
[23:24] <liviubero> I am aware of the fact that in other communities
[23:24] <liviubero> one would not have such a chance
[23:24] <liviubero> so here is what I have to say in my defence
[23:24] <liviubero> ( I would be gratefull if you let me speak until am I over )
[23:24] <liviubero> ( else I could lose my point - I am very tired )
[23:24] <liviubero> ( and tomorrow I have an exam )
[23:25] <liviubero> in June-July I was posting in the
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> just stay on topic please
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> w/o commentaty
[23:25] <liviubero> "Are you a thread killer?"  Sheesh.
[23:28] <liviubero> this was not meant as malignant code
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> to which you said : Trust me, just remove your home folder
[23:28] <liviubero> what I've posted was by no means meant as malignant code
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> removing $HOME is quite destuctive and not the best way to solve the problem
[23:28] <liviubero> it was meant as a parody
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> especially with very little information
[23:29] <Technoviking> liviubero: We take people posting harmful commands on the forums very seriously
[23:29]  * Bodsda did that to his home dir a while ago, not funnny
[23:29] <liviubero> I understand
[23:29] <liviubero> but this was a joke
[23:29] <Technoviking> liviubero: even as a joke
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> it was not funny
[23:29] <liviubero> and if read the context
[23:29] <liviubero> read the context and you understand
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> I am going to move on now liviubero
[23:29] <liviubero> i signed as Gill Bates
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> consider yourself heard
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> and we can not act
[23:29] <liviubero> this was only a joke
[23:30] <liviubero> a parody
[23:30] <Bodsda> jokes aside, that code is harmful
[23:30] <Technoviking> liviubero: but can you gurentee everyone who read your post before it was jailed knew it was a joke
[23:30] <Bodsda> the Community Cafe Games subforum is not exempt from the forum CoC
[23:30] <liviubero> I know, but the context was clear enough
[23:30] <liviubero> I would not have posted real harmful code
[23:30] <Bodsda> ... you did
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> Technoviking: any other comments or shall we move on ?
[23:31] <liviubero> as a parody given by someone who doesn't know that he's not using windows
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: we heard you and I am sorry we can not make any decision today
[23:31] <jenkinbr> liviubero: Have you read the annoucement on top of almost evey forum page?
[23:31] <liviubero> you don't understant
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Report Post Icon
[23:31] <MootBot> New Topic: Report Post Icon
[23:31] <liviubero> you also didn't let me speak
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: we can not act
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> time to move on
[23:32] <liviubero> but I am not ready
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> others are waiting
[23:32] <liviubero> and it's about a banning
[23:32] <liviubero> not a button
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> jenkinbr: ?
[23:32] <jenkinbr> I am here
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> you are up
[23:32] <jenkinbr> Thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1208698
[23:33] <jenkinbr> and...
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> jenkinbr: I think the idea has merit we shall discuss it among the staff
[23:33]  * DougieRichardson Waves goodnight
[23:33] <jenkinbr> Post http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7664384&postcount=33
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> I think the staff is aware and to be honest, the most useful thing right now is probably mockups
[23:34] <EDavidBurg> Why not use the old report button?
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7664384&postcount=33
[23:34] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7664384&postcount=33
[23:34] <Technoviking> liviubero: You can discuss this more at the next FC meeting, but we are quite clear that malicilous commands are not welcome in any way, shape, or form, even as a joke.
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> EDavidBurg: new users do not understand what it means, not enough words
[23:34] <jenkinbr> I can make more mockups as needed, if it helps
[23:34] <EDavidBurg> bodhi_zazen: you mean the old report button that says "report" on it?
[23:34] <EDavidBurg> And looks like the current quote button
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> EDavidBurg: this is the current image :
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/report.php?p=7664384
[23:35] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/report.php?p=7664384
[23:35] <liviubero> Technoviking: what I mean is that you misunderstand my post; I should not be banned, but put under observation
[23:35] <jacob> I didn't like the report button right next to the quote button though -- people would submit replies as reports and it would clog up the RP forum
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> OOps
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/images/buttons/report.gif
[23:35] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/images/buttons/report.gif
[23:35] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob: +1
[23:36] <EDavidBurg> Before the current image, there was an image similar in style to the current quote button which said "report" on it. I am suggesting we revert to that as it seemed to work just fine.
[23:36] <Bodsda> liviubero, your time to discuss this has passed, please dont interrupt the current topic
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> EDavidBurg: basically that is the idea
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> people would like to discuss the options =)
[23:36] <jacob> i think it's position is okay right now, but it does need a better image. there's one I liked a lot by The_Toxic_Mite (i think), but that's for the next meeting
[23:36] <jenkinbr> The idea is to have the report post Icon describe itself more
[23:36] <Technoviking> Bodsda: that is my fault, not liviubero
[23:36] <Joeb454> like it used to?
[23:37] <jenkinbr> I also liked The_Toxic_Mite's image better than mine
[23:37] <Bodsda> liviubero, apologies. sorry Technoviking
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> jenkinbr: I didn't make an image?!
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> LOL!
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> jenkinbr: and others : I will discuss with the staff and we may not need action by the FC at a meeting to change, I do not know
[23:37] <Bodsda> haha
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> Anyway carry on.. ;)
[23:37] <jacob> The_Toxic_Mite: you had some mockup or something
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> brb ..
[23:37] <jenkinbr> bodhi_zazen: ok
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob: I don't remember posting a mock up
[23:37] <jacob> but anyways. holding my comments for later.
[23:38] <jacob> The_Toxic_Mite: aah sorry it was Tipped OuT
[23:38] <jenkinbr> TTM: nevermind, I was confusing you with TippeD OuT
[23:38] <Technoviking> bodhi_zazen: maybe we can discuss this on the FC list, I think it is a good idea, if it would not mess up the forum stylesheets
[23:38] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob, jenkinbr, I knew it lol
[23:39] <jacob> liked this image + positioning: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7668094&postcount=41
[23:39] <jenkinbr> jacob: +1
[23:39] <jenkinbr> That's the one I'm refferring to
[23:39] <The_Toxic_Mite> Tipped OuT's mock-up is good but what about visually impared people?
[23:39] <The_Toxic_Mite> Although..
[23:39] <jacob> also, you guys have a lot less buttons than I see. ;)
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Technoviking
[23:40] <jacob> The_Toxic_Mite: contrast is pretty good imo.
[23:40] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob: Yeah
[23:40] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey KiwiNZ
[23:40] <liviubero> bye
[23:40] <jenkinbr> The_Toxic_Mite: The font is also small in the quote button and the edit button
[23:41] <EDavidBurg> Well, we could have had a quorum is matthew didn't leave.
[23:41] <The_Toxic_Mite> Yeah
[23:41] <EDavidBurg> if*
[23:41] <KiwiNZ> geetings
[23:41] <jenkinbr> KiwiNZ: hello!
[23:42] <Joeb454> hey KiwiNZ
[23:42] <Technoviking> greet Kiwi, alas we lost matthew
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> welcome KiwiNZ
[23:42] <lukjad007> KiwiNZ !
[23:43] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey lukjad007
[23:43] <The_Toxic_Mite> it's TTM
[23:43] <lukjad007> Hey The_Toxic_Mite
[23:43] <lukjad007> TIM, from which thread?
[23:43] <KiwiNZ> Still finding my way round this client sheesh
[23:43] <lukjad007> KiwiNZ Us xchat!
[23:43] <jenkinbr> Use irssi!
[23:44] <The_Toxic_Mite> ¬_¬ shouldn't we get back on topic now?
[23:44] <Snova> Now is probably a bad time to fiddle with it further...
[23:44]  * jenkinbr quits spamming IRC clients
[23:44] <KiwiNZ> What issues do we have
[23:44] <The_Toxic_Mite> jenkinbr: your cue?
[23:44] <The_Toxic_Mite> ^^
[23:44] <jenkinbr> Report post button currently
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> back
[23:45]  * The_Toxic_Mite yawns - it's 11:45pm where he lives
[23:46] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey bodhi_zazen
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments on the report button ?
[23:46] <jenkinbr> y
[23:46] <The_Toxic_Mite> bodhi_zazen: The mock ups or the current one?
[23:46] <EDavidBurg> bodhi_zazen: matthew is on the forums right now, if you wanted to get him in here we would have 4/7
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Launchpad Integration
[23:46] <MootBot> New Topic: Launchpad Integration
[23:46] <jenkinbr> I agree with letting you discuss it amungst the staf
[23:46]  * bodhi_zazen pm matthew
[23:47] <Joeb454> The_Toxic_Mite: it's not that late (I'm in the same TZ) - I have to be at work in 9 hours
[23:47] <The_Toxic_Mite> Laters guys - will the button be discussed next month?
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> This is for the staff mainly
[23:48] <The_Toxic_Mite> ok
[23:48] <The_Toxic_Mite> See ya guys
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> I am suggesting we consider using LP to track staff
[23:48] <The_Toxic_Mite> ):P
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> terms of staff to be 2 years w/ option to renew
[23:48] <Joeb454> I wouldn't say terms personally
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> More of less an automation of this process : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1223167
[23:48] <Joeb454> I'd just use it as a reminder - as discussed in that thread, actually :P
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> I am not sugesting we change our policies in any other way
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> Since it was my topic, that is all I have
[23:49] <Technoviking> bodhi_zazen: I think would be great to do this.
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[23:49] <KiwiNZ> I have nothing
[23:50] <KiwiNZ> I think the report button if fine
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Team Reporting
[23:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Reporting
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> this was brought to my attention by nhandler who could not make the meeting
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> I am willing to help with this
[23:51] <Technoviking> me too,
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> although I do not mind assistance if anyone else is available
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> thanks Technoviking
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> I think there was some small discussion on the mailing list
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> asking among the staff who is wiling to help
[23:52] <Technoviking> maybe we could make a team report thread in staff chit-chat, everyone could add to and copy/organize that to the wiki
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> perhaps a thread in the staff section then ?
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Technoviking
[23:53] <Technoviking> make a new report thread evey month
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> we have one last topic and 5 or so min =)
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]UA Team
[23:53] <MootBot> New Topic: UA Team
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1224432
[23:54] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1224432
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> Any opinions from the staff on what to do with the UA team ?
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> otherwise I will ask the people I suggested for assistance and we can discuss it next time
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> Comments ?
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> Other issues ?
[23:56] <Technoviking> none
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> 5 min warning
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> Shall we end the meeting if there are no other topics ?
[23:57] <Technoviking> sound like a plan
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you all for coming, sorry for the confusion
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you all for the suggestions , they are appreciated
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting
[23:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:58.


[01:07] <Guest85> greets does anyone runs LACP on ubuntu 18/20 and seeing dropped packets ?
[01:07] <Guest85> greets does anyone runs LACP on ubuntu 18/20 and seeing dropped frames?


[07:25] <ubot4`> vorian called the ops in #ubuntuforums ()
[21:40] <Matir> I'd like to get a Ubuntu member cloak set up for my FreeNode account.  My launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/~matir.
[21:46] <m4v> Pici, jussi01, nhandler, topyli, tsimpson or whoever is the correct group contact ^
[21:46] <m4v> er, jussi ^
[21:51] <tsimpson> KB1JWQ, VorTechS, marienz, tomaw: one of you available?
[21:51] <tomaw> yes
[21:51] <marienz> yes
[21:52] <tsimpson> could one you set Matir up with an ubuntu/member/matir cloak please
[21:52] <marienz> done
[21:52] <tsimpson> thanks :)
[21:52] <marienz> no problem
[21:52] <tsimpson> Matir: congrats on your membership, you're all set
[21:53] <Matir> tsimpson, thanks!
[21:53] <Matir> and marienz too, thanks
[21:54] <tsimpson> m4v: as a fyi, nhandler can't requests cloaks, but can set them if we ask (one of the oddities of our governance)
[21:55] <m4v> kk


[09:39] <trappist> iptables is currently built against a minimal chunk of some old kernel source included in the package.  it all gets patched with patch-o-matic in a vain attempt to add some nice features that don't actually work because we're not patching the kernel and we're not building against our real kernel.  I'd like to work on iptables, but I'd need some help, or at least cooperation, on the kernel side.  where to go for this?
[09:40] <fabbione> trappist: what do you need from the kernel that you don't have already?
[09:41] <trappist> fabbione: well if we're going to use patch-o-matic, there needs to be some agreement on which patches to apply.  if not, nothing at all, but we're using it now - or trying to - and I'd like some of those things kept in.
[09:42] <fabbione> trappist: prepare a list and post it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:42] <fabbione> with everything that you think should be done
[09:42] <fabbione> and how to do it
[09:42] <trappist> can do, thanks
[12:46] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[01:26] <rikai> later all , to bed with me o/
[01:28] <BenC> pong
[01:28] <BenC> fabbione: yo
[02:44] <zul> hey
[03:08] <fabbione> BenC: OCFS2 has been merged upstream by linus..
[03:08] <fabbione> i am not sure if we want to start tracking it from there...
[03:08] <fabbione> does git allow you branch per directory?
[03:09] <zul> hey fabbione
[03:09] <fabbione> hey zul
[03:09] <zul> congrats on the kid
[03:09] <fabbione> thanks :)
[03:09] <zul> scarey you are going to have your unholy army soon ;)
[03:10] <fabbione> ehhe
[03:10] <zul> argh why couldnt i type last night
[03:11] <BenC> fabbione: nah, we'll just keep what's in our archive for dapper
[03:11] <BenC> will be nice to remove it for dapper+1 though, and just track 2.6.17
[03:12] <fabbione> BenC: we might have to update OCFS2 and RH anyway across the line.. i was only wondering if we could do it easily traking linus or not
[04:27] <zul> oh crud...the abi changed
[04:31] <zul> bleah..
[04:32] <zul> yeah the firefox download is working again
[04:32] <fabbione> hahaha
[04:34] <lamont__>   | Choose a language:                                                      |
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[04:34] <lamont__> so many choices.... hrm...
[04:36] <BenC> lol
[04:36] <fabbione> lamont: same on sparc..
[04:37] <lamont__> it's the b0rken keyboard chooser udeb that's my current annoyance with dapper... must fix that
[04:39] <fabbione> i think the issue is console-data udeb
[04:39] <fabbione> does it build for you?
[05:10] <zul> brb...new kernel
[09:15] <zul> BenC: ok quick question if you are around why does adiran bunk make all of those functions in the kernel static?
[09:46] <cjb> I think he gave his reason in the thread; because they reduce to a constant at compile-time.
[09:47] <cjb> Oh.  He's not here.
[09:57] <BenC> zul: allows the compiler more flexibility I think
[10:04] <lamont__> BenC: did we get the ide stuff I needed turned on in 2.6.15 yet?
[10:04] <lamont__> (hppa needed, that is)
[10:05] <lamont__> remind me what it is that reads kernel-img.conf again?
[10:13] <lamont__> and that ide bus walking isn't automatic
[10:14] <lamont__> and that tulips don't autoconfig either
[10:14] <lamont__> hda: CD-532E-B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[11:58] <rikai> brb, installing memory <.<;


[06:56] <locodir-user> hola
[20:55] <Ronnie> czajkowski, itnet7: Ubuntu Netherlands had back in 2010 an reapproval https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/693178 . most votes were '0' because of the issues we had in the organization structure back then. Now, one year later and the organization structure stablished we are ready to apply for the reapproval again.
[20:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 693178 in ubuntu-locoteams "Re-approval, ubuntu-nl (affects: 2) (heat: 1)" [High,Fix released]
[20:56] <Ronnie> sense ^
[20:56] <sense> Ah, the reapproval thing.
[20:56] <sense> Yeah, I think our promotion team would want some CDs now. ;)
[20:56] <sense> What is needed to file for reapproval?
[20:57] <czajkowski> promotion team ?
[20:57] <czajkowski> well you'd have to attend a meeting with a re approval application done up
[20:57] <czajkowski> same as before
[20:57] <paultag> o/
[20:58] <sense> Hi paultag
[20:58] <Ronnie> promotion team: the group of people who do the work for release parties, and stands on various events
[20:58] <paultag> hey sense :)
[20:58] <Ronnie> The approval page is almost ready
[20:59] <czajkowski> Ronnie: ah ok
[20:59] <czajkowski> well when ever you are ready please just add it to the next meeting the team can attend
[21:00] <Ronnie> czajkowski: this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA right?
[21:00] <czajkowski> Ronnie: EMEA for a locoteam ?
[21:00] <sense> Ronnie: Membership!
[21:00] <czajkowski> EMEA is membership, this is for the locoteams , so loco council.....
[21:00] <czajkowski> Ronnie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:00] <Ronnie> czajkowski: thx
[21:01] <czajkowski> hmm
[21:02] <Ronnie> ill put it on the agenda when the team is raedy
[21:02] <czajkowski> ok
[21:02] <Ronnie> it will probably next month


[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:35] <mainerror> Morning dholbach. o/
[08:35] <mainerror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+bug/938482
[08:35] <cwt-bugs> Launchpad bug 938482 in ubuntu-branding "Ubuntu frisbee accessory idea" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
[08:36] <dholbach> hi mainerror
[10:32] <Chrissss> Hello Ubuntu Design, I've got a shot question about the "Ubuntu for Android" Video which was  posted on the Celebrate Ubuntu YouTube channel. The Video been set to "Private", so that the public can't see the video  anymore. Is this a mistake, or shouldn't this video get published any  more.
[10:32] <Chrissss>  I'm asking because I like to embed the video on my site (there  are plenty of copies of that video on youtube), but I don't want do do  this against the original creator of the video. Is it ok the embed one  of these copies?
[17:04] <wendar> morning all
[17:11] <wendar> mainerror: I like your frisbee
[23:02] <mainerror> Thanks. :)


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[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131210 in azureus (universe) "[gutsy]  azureus crash when double-cliking on a torrent" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131210
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131211 in Ubuntu "Compiz conflict Ati-Radeon (Restrict Drives - ATI)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131211
[03:42] <ubotu> New bug: #131212 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "[gutsy]  opera slow down/crash when browsing a page with flash (non-free) content" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131212
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131205 in avahi (main) "avahi-discover crashed with Error in setlocale()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131205
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131214 in gnome-panel (main) "workspace swither only shows one workspace" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131214
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131215 in gnome-panel (main) "workspace swither only shows one workspace" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131215
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131216 in openoffice.org (main) "crash on opening Styles and Formating window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131216
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131219 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Open Movie Editor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131219
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131220 in cdrkit (main) "making dvd video iso image doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131220
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #131222 in Ubuntu "isight does not work in ubuntu gutsy - Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Could not get buffers from device '/dev/video0'." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131222
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131223 in kdissert (universe) "Kdissert is obsolete and should be replaced by semantik" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131223
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131224 in lighttpd (universe) "Merge lighttpd 1.4.16 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131224
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #131225 in rebuildd (universe) "Merge Rebuildd 0.2.1 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131225
[06:42] <nedw> am i able to get involved with the bug team without always being up to date?
[06:42] <RAOF> What do you mean by "up to date".
[06:42] <nedw> i mean am i able to come by every once in a while to do a helping session
[06:42] <RAOF> You can't submit useful Gutsy bugs without being up to date, generally.
[06:42] <RAOF> Yes, absolutely.
[06:42] <nedw> or do i need to be always there
[06:43] <RAOF> No.  Do as much or as little as you want, as often or as infrequently as you want :)
[06:43] <nedw> cool.
[06:43] <nedw> am i able to help getting bugs through the system, like checking existing bugs etc.
[06:44] <ScottK> nedw: Exactly what needs doing.
[06:45] <nedw> ScottK: where can i learn how to help out?
[06:45] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[06:45] <nedw> thank you :)
[06:45] <ScottK> Thank you for coming to help out.
[06:46] <nedw> You're welcome!
[07:19] <bdmurray> ScottK: I forget do you use Kubuntu?
[07:19] <ScottK> Yes
[07:20] <ScottK> OOO is still broken on Kubuntu if you are wondering...
[07:20] <Admiral_laptop> great...
[07:20] <bdmurray> Maybe it's not relevant.  But I don't see suspend or hibernate when running the daily CD and I am trying to figure it out if it supposed to be there.
[07:24] <ScottK> bdmurray: If I use K --> Logout the screen that comes up has those options.
[07:24] <bdmurray> On a daily CD?
[07:25] <bdmurray> or desktop rather
[07:25] <ScottK> On my installed Gutsy desktop
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131229 in mozilla-firefox (main) "bad fonts in firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131229
[08:06] <RAOF> ^^^ Yes, I know.  Pity firefox isn't integrated, really :)
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131230 in initramfs-tools (main) "nanosleep never returns" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131230
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131232 in Ubuntu "Jucer crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131232
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131233 in network-manager (main) "network-manager keeps asking for password" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131233
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131234 in emacs-meta (universe) "missing word in emacs built-in tutorial" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131234
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131236 in debconf (main) "frontend crashed with SIGSEGV in abort()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131236
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131237 in libidn (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131237
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #131238 in zope-cmfplone (universe) "Please package latest plone version (2.5.3 or 3.0)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131238
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131240 in gnome-panel (main) "The system tray applet doesn't free space" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131240
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #131239 in tex4ht (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131239
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #131241 in traceroute (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131241
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #131242 in sqlite3 (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131242
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131244 in Ubuntu "ocfs2 doesn't work with drbd on 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131244
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131245 in zabbix (universe) "zabbix 1.4.1-2 hardcoded postgresql 8.1 dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131245
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131246 in gnash (universe) "Gnash plugins hangs the player" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131246
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131247 in tracker (main) "libdeskbar-tracker crashes at session start" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131247
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131249 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice 2.3 does not start at all" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131249
[10:22] <ubotu> New bug: #131250 in ubiquity (main) "OEM install should have the 'prepare for end user' icon on desktop" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131250
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131251 in apt-proxy (universe) "Apt-Proxy 1.9.36ubuntu1 Python error " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131251
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131252 in vim (main) "[gutsy]  gvim crashed in munmap_chunk" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131252
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #131253 in totem (main) "Move common files of totem-xine and totem-gstreamer to a separate package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131253
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131255 in hildon-thumbnail (main) "build failure on lpia" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131255
[11:18] <Gasten> If I get a wishlist-bug that is about a design-choice, what should I do?
[11:18] <Gasten> see bug #69508
[11:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69508 in nautilus "File manager preferences located inconsistently" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69508
[11:23] <rulus> Gasten: you could remind him of the fact that Nautilus: Edit > Preferences == System > Preferences > File management
[11:23] <rulus> I'd close that one
[11:23] <Gasten> rulus: Oh, didn't know.
[11:23] <Gasten> thnanks
[11:24] <Gasten> rulus: Is that newer than edgy?
[11:24] <rulus> I thought that was in Dapper already, but I can be wrong.
[11:25] <Gasten> Okay.
[11:25] <Gasten> thanks
[11:26] <rulus> yw
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131259 in ltsp (main) "[Gutsy]  LDM doesn't disconnect ssh on logout" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131259
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131260 in php-auth (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync php-auth (1.5.4-1) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131260
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131261 in openglad (universe) "openglad crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131261
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #131262 in picprog (universe) "Verify pic12f629 using TE-20X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131262
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131266 in gnome-panel (main) "[gutsy]  Places->Recent documents does not reflect the content of $HOME/.recently-used.xbel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131266
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131267 in linux-meta (main) "Realtek RTL8111B horrible read peformance" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131267
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131268 in linux-meta (main) "Intel G33/P35 (ICH9) not reported correctly by lspci" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131268
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131270 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox downloads magnatune database forever" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131270
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131271 in Ubuntu "WinFOSS not up to date" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131271
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131272 in openoffice.org (main) "add text/csv to MimeType in ooo-calc.desktop" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131272
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131274 in ubiquity (main) "[Tribe4]  can't install. DD mounted during installation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131274
[01:27] <wousser> if a bug reporter fixes the bug himself should the bug status be invalid?
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131280 in deskbar-applet (main) "web pages should open in new window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131280
[01:33] <norsetto> wousser: you should look at this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131093 in mp3check (universe) "mp3check crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131093
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131281 in dgen (multiverse) "dgen crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131281
[01:38] <wousser> norsetto: thanks
[01:38] <norsetto> wousser: a.u.b.
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131282 in gnome-panel (main) "confusing "printer status" menu item" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131282
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #131283 in sane-backends (main) "Getting stripes by scanning in 300dpi (Perfection 1250 USB 0x04b8/0x010f)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131283
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131284 in ubuntu-docs (main) "about ubuntu menu item results in page not found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131284
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131285 in firefox (main) "FTBFS on lpia" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131285
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #131286 in totem (main) "Cannot play BBC Live TMS Scorecard" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131286
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131287 in amarok (main) "Amarok doesn't remove deleted files from collection " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131287
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131288 in gthumb (main) "'Import photos' does not import photos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131288
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #131289 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Allow to add and remove screensavers to the shortlist of screensaver theme" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131289
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131290 in qdacco (universe) "Please sync qdacco 0.6d-2 from Debian unstable main" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131290
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #131291 in Ubuntu "TCP Congestion Control improvements (Internet speed)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131291
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131292 in linux-meta (main) "dell dimension 9200 - shutdown doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131292
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131293 in dosbox (universe) "Please sync dosbox 0.71-0.1 from Debian unstable main" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131293
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131294 in ubiquity (main) "does not install language packs for the target language" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131294
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131121 in tracker (main) "tracker-extract crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_notify()"" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131121
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131295 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "System Monitor system tab does not show all CPUs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131295
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131105 in tracker (main) "tracker-search-tool crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131105
[03:21] <wousser> wajohhhhh
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131298 in grub (main) "[gutsy]  Incorrect UUID in grub after reformat" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131298
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131300 in Ubuntu "Dell Inspiron 6000 hangs..." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131300
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131301 in openoffice.org (main) "formulae/formulas defaulting to sans-serif font" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131301
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131302 in pekwm (universe) "Pekwm not compiled with xinerama support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131302
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #131303 in Ubuntu "Promise SATA300 TX2plus not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131303
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130969 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in _XimServerDestroy()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130969
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131304 in emacs-goodies-el (main) "[Sync request]  Sync emacs-goodies-el (27.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131304
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131305 in Ubuntu "add and remove games" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131305
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131306 in hal (main) "ps -ef shows lists hald and dbus-daemon runs with numerical uid " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131306
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131307 in firefox (main) "Firefox will not purge a "Tab Webpage" http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/default.aspx" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131307
[04:03] <ubotu> New bug: #131308 in Ubuntu "Pidgin systray doesn't appear" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131308
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131309 in oem-config (main) ""Prepare for shipping to end user" appears to do nothing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131309
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131310 in poker-network (universe) "package python-poker2d 1.0.37-1.1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131310
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131311 in Ubuntu "tribe cd images not being produced for powerpc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131311
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131312 in Ubuntu "Fonts don't react to change" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131312
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131313 in desktop-effects (main) "Opening Desktop Effects gives an nvida hardware error, on an Intel chipset" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131313
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #131315 in desktop-effects (main) ""Desktop Effects" only works from the "Apperences" dialog (or by hand)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131315
[04:28] <bddebian> Boo
[04:28] <ssam> eek
[04:29] <bddebian> :-)
[04:29] <ssam> is the plan to scare the bugs away?
[04:30] <bddebian> Yep :-)
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131317 in openoffice.org (main) "stacked histogram, off axis, wrong results" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131317
[04:35] <pschulz01> Evening...
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131319 in apport (main) "apport-gtk crashed with IOError in mark_report_seen()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131319
[04:36] <pschulz01> How do I report the following.. I have a python program which requires pygame.. but the 'hint' says to use - apt-get install python-game
[04:36] <pschulz01> The correct package is 'python-pygame'
[04:39] <Kmos> pschulz01: report it agains the python program package
[04:39] <Kmos> against
[04:40] <pschulz01> Kmos: Thanks..
[04:41] <pschulz01> Kmos: (The upstream has just fixed it :-)
[04:41] <Kmos> nice
[04:41] <Kmos> what's the package ?
[04:42] <pschulz01> tpclient-pywx <-- client for the Thousand Parsec game/project. I'm running the deb packaging.. and learning as I go :-)
[04:43] <pschulz01> Need to figure out how dh_pysupport is used.
[04:44] <ScottK> pschulz01: In addition, if it requires it, then it should be a dependency in the debian package and installed automatically.  If it's required and it's not a dependency, that's a bug.
[04:44] <pschulz01> ScottK: yes,
[04:44] <ScottK> pschulz01: Packaging questions are more likely to get good answers in #ubuntu-motu.
[04:45] <pschulz01> ScottK:ta..
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #131321 in distmp3 (universe) "distmp3host fails to start on i386" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131321
[04:47] <ScottK> pschulz01: What I'd do is get the source for a package that uses python-support and see how it works.  If you have a good setup.py, it's very easy.
[04:48] <pschulz01> ScottK: Know any packages?
[04:48] <ScottK> Three I've done/updates are pypolicyd-spf, pyspf and pyyaml.
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131041 in eog (main) "eog crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131041
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131322 in ebox (universe) "Please package new ebox version 0.9.99 since 2007-08" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131322
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131324 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Can't suspend or hybernate with fglrx drivers on Radeon XPRESS 200M" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131324
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131325 in conky (universe) "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #131326 in ivtv (multiverse) "[Sync Request]  ivtv 0.10.5-2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131326
[05:09] <shirish> would it be too late to ask for some wishlist bugs to be done?
[05:09] <shirish> In particular, bug 128418
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128418 in deluge-torrent "New upstream version for Deluge" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128418
[05:09] <ScottK> shirish: Is it packaged in Debian yet?
[05:10] <shirish> ScottK: the 0.5.3 is packaged in debian for sure, dunno about 0.5.4 which also came out, can look-see & tell.
[05:10] <shirish> ScottK: we have 0.5.2 on gutsy atm
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #131327 in Ubuntu "Configuration for Canon S300 is wrong, choosing S800 works well." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131327
[05:11] <shirish> ScottK: the package at debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/deluge-torrent
[05:12] <ScottK> Since there is an Ubuntu unique revision, it'll have to be merged.  You might want to ask mruiz if you see him here or in #ubuntu-motu since he did the last upload.
[05:14] <shirish> ScottK: he's at neither atm, perhaps I can put up a memo for him when he signs in ?
[05:14] <ScottK> The most effective thing to do is just idle on IRC and wait for him.
[05:15] <shirish> ScottK: understood, would do that
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #131329 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "throttling does not work [gutsy 7.10] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131329
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #131330 in Ubuntu "Automatic Service Discovery not available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131330
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131333 in Ubuntu "firefox-<IP_ADDRESS> (English) for Linux/Ubuntu, youtube, Macromedia Flash Player" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131333
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131334 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "ipw3945 doesnt works as needed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131334
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131335 in totem (main) "totem crash when locale is zh_CN.UTF-8" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131335
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131338 in 915resolution (universe) "[gutsy tribe 4]  brightness keys no longer work but system automagically updates to full brightness after 60 seconds" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131338
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131339 in openoffice.org (main) "oowriter chrashes on every start (2.3.0~src680m224-1ubuntu2)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131339
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #127821 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127821
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #131341 in mlt (universe) "Please update to latest version" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131341
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #131342 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin chat window doesn't resize when alias is too long" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131342
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #131345 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "network-manager-pptp needs to be compiled again ppp version 2.4.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131345
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131346 in Ubuntu "Missing "About Ubuntu" file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131346
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131347 in Ubuntu "Tribe 4 installer creates unbootable system" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131347
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #131348 in Ubuntu "Tribe-4 alternate installation causes screen to be unreadable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131348
[06:39] <MisterN> hi. could someone please have a look at this bug that i reported a month ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/126044
[06:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126044 in ia32-libs "Missing /usr/lib32/locale directory" [Undecided,New]
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #131350 in apport (main) "Apport bug reporter on "system" software crashes launches Firefox instead of user-preferred web browser" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131350
[06:44] <ScottK> MisterN: Looks reasonable to me, but I don't run 64 bit.
[06:46] <MisterN> ScottK: the weird thing is that the problem did not appear before i installed feisty. maybe you could check if the edgy package had this symlink? or what could we do, because really, it's quite annoying to symlink this whenever i install opera
[06:47] <MisterN> i don't know how dpkg works but adding such a symlink should not be too hard?
[06:47] <ScottK> You could also download the source package and check yourself.  I have neither 64 bit nor Edgy.
[06:47] <ScottK> MisterN: Yes, it can be done.
[06:47] <MisterN> well i don't know how to get old packages
[06:47] <MisterN> i'm a synaptic user :D
[06:47] <ScottK> Change your source list to point at the source repository for the old distro.
[06:48] <ScottK> Didn't say there was, just don't use Ubuntu.
[06:48] <MisterN> i've got an idea. i'll just browse the ftp mirror i use
[06:48] <asac> MisterN: go to launchpad page of the package
[06:49] <asac> ther you see versions
[06:49] <asac> then navigate and you will find sources
[06:50] <MisterN> asac: thank you
[06:50] <mvo> ScottK: sure :)
[06:51] <MisterN> huh? why's ia32-libs gone to universe?!
[06:52] <ScottK> Generally that happens when nothing in Main depends on it any longer.
[06:53] <MisterN> that'd be openoffice iirc
[06:55] <MisterN> $ file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin
[06:55] <MisterN> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:55] <MisterN> interesting :D
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #131352 in update-manager (main) "upgrade tool crashed in Gutsy Tribe 3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131352
[06:58] <MisterN> damn ia32-libs is 200 MB in edgy and 400 MB in guts
[06:58] <MisterN> how about reasonably sized packages? :D
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131353 in tracker (main) "Tracker doesn't find files and directories" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131353
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #131354 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade tool crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131354
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131355 in python-mode (main) "Dependency problem on gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131355
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131356 in brltty (main) "package brltty-x11 3.7.2-7.1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Abh?ngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131356
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131357 in zoneminder (universe) "Hash-based Authentication Broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131357
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131358 in apparmor (main) "package apparmor 2.0.1+510.dfsg-0ubuntu25 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131358
[07:38] <elmargol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnomebaker/+bug/64025/comments/6 <- spamposting
[07:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64025 in gnomebaker "Couldn't make iso file from gnomebaker: unable to get excusive access to drive" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131359 in Ubuntu "ipv6 lookups stall dns resolutions" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131359
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #131360 in Ubuntu "firefox application text gets smaller" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131360
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #131363 in thttpd (universe) "thttpd: broken logging" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131363
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131364 in liferea (main) "liferea in gutsy -- feed name no longer displayed in 'browser' widget" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131364
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #131362 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "synaptics touchpad not detected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131362
[10:35] (ubotu/#ubuntu-bugs) New bug: #131391 in xosview (universe) "Please sync xosview (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131391
[10:37] <ScottK> ianm_: I agree I don't see it there.
[10:37] <ScottK> That is also a significant fact for the bug I'd guess.
[10:39] <ianm_> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/m67ebcfd0
[10:40] <ScottK> Does sudo lspcmcia -vvnn give any more information?
[10:42] <ianm_> is n a valid argument?
[10:42] <ScottK> Dunno, if it's not you'll get an error and try -vv
[10:42] <ScottK> It's valid for lspci
[10:43] <ianm_> ScottK:  http://pastebin.com/m7c37e938
[10:43] <ScottK> Yeah, put that in the bug (as an attachment).
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131393 in Ubuntu "dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131393
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131394 in gnome-power-manager (main) "suspends on AC loss with lid open" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131394
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #131395 in camstream (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync camstream (0.26.3+dfsg-5) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131395
[10:58] <ianm_> ScottK: I actually can't find the issue... so much for using google in place of bookmarks heh
[10:59] <ScottK> OK.  Well if you can find it with a simple, low risk patch, there may be some hope.
[11:00] <ianm_> ok.  if I remember correctly the patch was changing a single string in a table
[11:03] <ianm_> ScottK: I suppose we could just look at changes in the orinoco_cs driver for 2.6.22 ?
[11:06] <ScottK> As long as we means you, sure.
[11:06] <ScottK> ;-)
[11:07] <ianm_> ScottK: any idea where to look?  haven't touched kernel stuff since moving from Slackware ;)
[11:08] <ScottK> I haven't touched kernel stuff since ever, so no.  Sorry.
[11:08] <ScottK> #ubuntu-kernel is where the kernel team hangs out.
[11:09] <ianm_> ok I'll get back to this later.   thanks for the help so far
[11:11] <albert23> Does anyone have suggestions how to debug a display issue during Gutsy installation?
[11:12] <albert23> There is a number of bugs pointing to the same issue on Intel graphics
[11:13] <albert23> i.e. bug 13148 and 127008
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 13148 in lsb "RFE silent initscripts" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13148
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127008 in debian-installer "Alternate install of Tribe-3 corrupts video display when installing packages" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127008
[11:13] <albert23> sorry, 131348
[11:17] <Kmos> albert23: have you tested with tribe-4 ?
[11:18] <albert23> Kmos: yes, I did. Tribe 3 gave me colored blocks, now tribe 4 gave me a black screen
[11:19] <ScottK> albert23: Did you ask for help in #ubuntu+1?
[11:19] <albert23> ScottK: no, not yet.
[11:20] <ScottK> I'd try that first
[11:21] <albert23> ScottK: I did already complete the installs of tribe 3 and tribe 4 successfully, by just pressing enter a few times.
[11:21] <albert23> Would they also be better for just de debugging?
[11:21] <ScottK> Right, but someone there may have run into your issue already and have a workaround or already reported it.
[11:22] <ScottK> They're better for help and that's where to start.
[11:22] <albert23> ScottK: OK, will check there. Thanks
[11:52] <bdmurray> Kmos: what is upstream for compiz?
[11:53] <Kmos> bdmurray: what do you mean
[11:54] <bdmurray> If I wanted to forward a compiz bug that would go to freedesktop.org right?
[11:54] <Kmos> bdmurray: yep
[11:55] <Kmos> bdmurray: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg
[11:55] <Kmos> they answered mine at http://bugs.opencompositing.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249
[11:56] <bdmurray> Maybe https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/compiz-bugs that should be fixed then?
[11:56] <Kmos> i think i've created that one
[11:57] <Kmos> yeah, it's me
[12:00] <Kmos> bdmurray: i changed it to freedesktop
[12:01] <bdmurray> cool, thanks
[12:01] <bdmurray> win 23
[12:04] <Kmos> bdmurray:
[12:04] <Kmos> App/compiz<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:04] <Kmos> :)


[05:36] <tjaalton> duflu: libinput 1.10 is in unstable
[05:36] <duflu> tjaalton, thanks
[05:37] <tjaalton> also, trackpoint on this t470s is still hardly usable
[05:37] <duflu> tjaalton, I have no idea about trackpoint, but saw upstream reports about similar
[05:37] <tjaalton> yeah I'm subscribed
[05:37] <tjaalton> playing with hwdb settings, nothing seems to work too well
[05:39] <duflu> tjaalton, at a guess, try hacking libinput to force the acceleration profile = flat
[05:39] <duflu> Although that may be a particularly bad idea for trackpoints, not sure
[05:40] <duflu> Oh. I forgot I have one on my bionic desktop (Lenovo SK-8855)
[05:41] <duflu> tjaalton, I'm seeing jumping on at least one model of touchpad, like it's missing resolution still. Is that what you get with trackpoint?
[05:42] <duflu> (this trackpoint feels a bit jumpy too)
[05:47] <tjaalton> insensitivity with small movements, and acceleration ramps up way too quickly
[05:47] <duflu> tjaalton, yeah I see the former
[05:47] <tjaalton> the first can be fixed by moving the slider all way down
[05:47] <tjaalton> more or less
[05:48] <duflu> tjaalton, the latter I feel has always been true for all trackpoints, IMHO
[05:48] <tjaalton> I use a thinkpad usb keyboard on my desktop
[05:48] <tjaalton> hardly ever touch a mouse
[05:49] <duflu> heretic
[07:14] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:21] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:23] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[08:02] <doko> oSoMoN: please see update_excuses for the new binaries
[08:02] <doko> lo
[08:04] <doko> no on openjdk-9
[08:04] <doko> libreoffice-kde4 libreoffice-sdbc-firebird demoted
[08:07] <doko> libboost-locale1.65.1 promoted
[08:11] <doko> oSoMoN: and libebubgen needs a MIR
[08:12] <ricotz> and fonts-liberation2
[08:16] <didrocks> good morning
[08:24] <jibel> morning didrocks
[09:01] <oSoMoN> doko, ricotz: so on i386 we want to relax the version requirement for openjdk-8-jre, right?
[09:03] <doko> oSoMoN: everywhere, we are unlikely to ship openjdk-8 at all
[09:04] <doko> oSoMoN: everywhere, we are unlikely to ship openjdk-9 at all
[09:04] <doko> so not shipping 9
[09:04] <oSoMoN> ok
[09:04] <oSoMoN> as it happens a version requirement is specified only on i386, other arches just depend on an unversioned openjdk-8-jre
[09:05] <oSoMoN> doko, what's up with openjdk-9, is it going to be removed from the archive?
[09:06] <doko> it's a release which is only supported for six months
[09:13] <oSoMoN> ricotz, does that look correct? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jzqHVfW6Cj/
[10:09] <Nafallo> morning
[10:11] <didrocks> hey Nafallo
[10:17] <oSoMoN> doko, ricotz: bug #1749920
[10:18] <Nafallo> oooh. duflu causing notifications again ;-)
[10:18] <duflu> Nafallo, yep, but now it ends
[10:19]  * duflu -> weekend
[10:19] <oSoMoN> hey Nafallo
[10:19] <oSoMoN> have a good one duflu
[10:19] <duflu> o/
[10:20] <Nafallo> it was a good one at that :-)
[10:20] <Nafallo> hi oSoMoN :-)
[10:52] <Laney> ah!
[10:53] <Nafallo> hi Laney :-)
[11:21] <doko> oSoMoN: ta. did the new lo drop visio support (libvisio)?
[11:26] <oSoMoN> doko, not that I know of
[11:28] <ricotz> oSoMoN, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1010568
[11:28] <ricotz> bbl
[11:29] <oSoMoN> thanks ricotz
[11:49] <oSoMoN> ricotz, https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/commit/?id=696b9409c73a1d02c2527dde5ab411ea4c85d4a7
[12:11] <jbicha> good morning
[12:12] <jbicha> tjaalton: what's up with packages depending on libgel1 which is in universe?
[12:12] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html#gnome-session
[12:12] <jbicha> libegl1
[12:13]  * Nafallo stops trying to finding out what libgel does ;-)
[12:13] <Nafallo> no automatic smoother experiences then :-)
[12:14] <jbicha> sorry I type too fast some times :(
[12:14] <Nafallo> no worries. it was fun :-)
[12:22] <oSoMoN> good morning jbicha
[12:29] <tjaalton> jbicha: libglvnd MIR filed, but it still needs nvidia packages updated before it all can land
[12:33] <jbicha> tjaalton: thanks. Are you working on the nvidia packages for that? tseliot?
[12:33] <tjaalton> tseliot is, one to go
[12:33] <tseliot> jbicha: yep
[12:33] <tseliot> they're almost ready
[12:34] <jbicha> cool
[13:20] <jbicha> I'm unhappy with Unity. It totally built a few days ago in my test PPA but now it doesn't want to build :(
[13:20] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3156/+packages
[13:50] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, any doubt about
[13:50] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/1707898/comments/27 ?
[14:00] <Laney> GunnarHj: Didn't follow the issue closely - you want to avoid build-depending on PK or something
[14:00] <Laney> not sure if those things are useful at runtime
[14:00] <Laney> why were they in the main pkg in the first place?
[14:00] <Laney> don't tell me I did it
[14:00] <GunnarHj> Laney: You did it. :)
[14:01] <Laney> mmm can't remember the details
[14:01] <jbicha> lol
[14:01] <Laney> that was last year!
[14:02] <GunnarHj> Laney: See comment #24 in bug #1707898.
[14:03] <GunnarHj> Laney: I'm pretty sure those files are not needed at runtime.
[14:03] <Laney> righto, please file it at Debian then (don't forget Breaks+Replaces)
[14:04] <Laney> you'll need to fix anything else which Build-Deps on policykit-1 for these rules
[14:04] <Laney> fwupd I think
[14:06] <GunnarHj> Laney: Is there a command to figure out which packages include policykit-1 in Build-Depends?
[14:06] <Laney> reverse-depends -b policykit-1
[14:06] <Laney> (ubuntu-dev-tools)
[14:08] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks. That list wasn't too long; I'll check them out. Can we use the LP bug as a base for the coming Debian commit?
[14:13] <jbicha> Laney: btw, the vcs-git -b thing is documented at https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#version-control-system-vcs-fields
[14:14] <Laney> GunnarHj: You can link to it but I think that a bug in the BTS should explain the problem on its own
[14:15] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok.
[14:15] <Laney> Probably write a short bug explaining and ask if the PK maintainers want to make this change first
[14:15] <Laney> Then if they say no, it's not worth making other packages do this change, you haven't spent time writing patches/bugs that aren't needed
[14:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thought you were a PK maintainer. ;) This is a pure Debian/Ubuntu thing, right?
[14:17] <Laney> yes
[14:17] <Laney> and sure, but if it were me I'd add the pk-1 [!stage1] build-dep to systemd and move on with life. :-)
[14:18] <Laney> jbicha: nice one
[14:18] <Laney> and ... when did the policy get CSS?
[14:20] <GunnarHj> Laney: I wrote on the bug report about a less intrusive change: Create the package policykit-1-gettext with only those two files, and let policykit-1 depend on it. Then systemd could add policykit-1-gettext to Build-Depends, and we wouldn't need to bother with other packages.
[14:21] <jbicha> Laney: that was last year!
[14:22] <jbicha> GunnarHj: some Debian Developers try to avoid the NEW queue
[14:23] <Laney> I woudn't make a package for such a tiny amount of data
[14:23] <Laney> plus that
[14:23] <jbicha> one reason for that is that the ftpmasters sometimes reject packages for incomplete debian/copyright files even if the package is already in Debian
[14:23] <jbicha> so sometimes it's not less intrusive at all :(
[15:42] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for you comment on the bug report about other packages depending on policykit-1. I think I'll await Martin's response before proceeding with a possible move of polkit.{its,loc}.
[16:01] <mvo> Laney: hey, you did all the work for the integration of Components-$(ARCH).yml - for some time I was wondering what it would take to do something similar for the command-not-found data, i.e. create a indexfile with the binaries<->pkgs mapping (a subset of Contents-$ARCH essentially plus data from update-alternatives). whats your estimate about the amount of work?
[16:02] <mvo> Laney: the background is that there is a desire to show version information in c-n-f but that requires a bit more dynamic approach than we use now
[16:02] <Laney> hey mvo
[16:03] <Laney> It's not that hard --- there's something in lp:ubuntu-archive-publishing (I think) for the appstream stuff
[16:03] <Laney> basically launchpad rsyncs it from us and serves that up via the archive
[16:04] <mvo> Laney: and the lp bits are in the lp repo I presume?
[16:04] <Laney> there's no LP bits, just the publisher step
[16:04] <mvo> Laney: I actually have the data already extracted daily, it would probably just take a small converter then
[16:04] <mvo> Laney: is the publisher not part of lp?
[16:04] <mvo> Laney: I mean, where could I look at how its integrated into the Release file :) ?
[16:05] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-publishing/trunk/view/head:/finalize.d/30-appstream
[16:05] <mvo> Laney: \o/
[16:06] <mvo> Laney: ok, that looks nice. do you have hints about how this gets into http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease?
[16:06] <Laney> nope, I think that's just part of the magic due to it being put into $STAGINGROOT
[16:06] <mvo> Laney: woah, thats even better
[16:06] <Laney> Colin would know more, but this side wasn't hard
[16:07] <mvo> Laney: great, I will talk to colin I think, this might actually be (much) simpler than I anticipated
[16:07] <Laney> Guess you'll want to check if they are happy pulling from your current server or if you need to get a special one set up
[16:07]  * mvo hugs Laney (with extra enthusiasm)
[16:07] <Laney> appstream.internal is a dedicated box (in the cloud) for generating this
[16:07] <mvo> Laney: yeah, moving things around is probably needed but not a big deal
[16:07]  * Laney hugs mvo - good luck!
[16:08] <Laney> and the apt side for getting it onto the system is easy enough too
[21:50] <kenvandine> jbicha, could you please subscribe desktop-bugs to xdg-desktop-portal-gtk?
[21:57] <jbicha> kenvandine: you have to ask Laney or seb128 (xdg-desktop-portal needs subscribed too)
[21:57] <kenvandine> jbicha, ok
[21:57] <kenvandine> it's the last thing i need to do on the MIR
[21:59] <jbicha> go ahead and file the bug, the subscriber can be added later
[21:59] <jbicha> have a good weekend!
[21:59] <kenvandine> jbicha, you too


[17:13] <smoser> rharper: chad and i are in hangout
[17:13] <rharper> right
[17:13]  * rharper comes up for air
[18:29] <dojordan> @smoser, added the ephemeraldhcpv4 content manager: https://code.launchpad.net/~dojordan/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/334341
[19:59] <blackboxsw> dojordan: just got through a pass on it
[19:59] <smoser> good. i was just abou to ask blackboxsw  to do that :)
[20:00] <blackboxsw> heh, was just about to ask you if we care about EphemeralDCHPv4 returning {} instead of None on failed lease find, so it'll always return a dict either filled with dhcp options on success, or empty on failure
[20:00] <blackboxsw> otherwise we get unhelpful Tracebacks if callsites try to lease['myopt
[20:00] <blackboxsw> otherwise we get unhelpful Tracebacks if callsites try to lease['myopt'
[20:00] <blackboxsw> otherwise we get unhelpful Tracebacks if callsites try to lease['myopt'] on  a NoneType
[20:01] <blackboxsw> <- back to typo school with you
[20:01] <smoser> that was a good pointp you made there.
[20:02] <smoser> iguess its __enter__ could raise a exception
[20:02] <smoser> which coudl be caught
[20:04] <smoser> i like blackboxsw 's feedback.
[20:05] <blackboxsw> #achievementunlocked :)
[20:07] <dojordan> cool, i like it. so thoughts on empty dict vs exception?
[20:08] <dojordan> I'm leaning empty dict
[20:08] <dojordan> actually, the nice thing about the exception is its already in a try catch
[20:08] <smoser> i think checking for None. explicitly.   while a lease with no keys would be wierd, checking for None is just more expclcit.
[20:09] <dojordan> explicit is better than implicit :)
[20:10] <blackboxsw> good points.
[20:10] <blackboxsw> ok so leaving None return value then, and callsites should explicity check for it?
[20:11] <dojordan> on the other hand, the whole point of the EphemeralDHCPv4 context manager is to do dhcp then call the Ephemeral nic with it. if that fails, the whole thing is busted
[20:12] <dojordan> so we shouldn't even still be in the context manager IMO
[20:14] <blackboxsw> +1 maybe we actually just raise the exception from there instead of return None.... it's what open's context manager does if file doesn't exist
[20:15] <dojordan> then inside DataSourceEc2 we can catch the exception and return None
[20:15] <blackboxsw> maybe a new NoDHCPLeaseError (newly defined in cloudinit.net.dhcp)
[20:16] <dojordan> also, re: the changing info to lease inside ec2, can we just avoid the variable since the code inside the ctxmgr doesn't reference it
[20:20] <dojordan> @blackboxsw, should we reuse the InvalidDHCPLeaseFileError?
[20:21] <dojordan> or catch it and throw a NoLeaseError?
[20:22] <smoser> yeah.. DataSourceEc2 is why i had it return None
[20:22] <smoser> exception is fine.
[21:11] <dojordan> @smoser, @blackboxsw, look again?
[21:24] <blackboxsw> dojordan: +1 two minor comments on the latest changes. I'll test on azure/ec2 but I'
[21:24] <blackboxsw> think I'm good there assuming you make the minor changes
[21:25] <blackboxsw> ... 'this round' of minor changes ;)
[21:50] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/336366
[21:50] <smoser> powersj: ^ that actually worked this time in my local test.
[21:50] <smoser> first pass through i wasn't getting all the botos patched up correctly
[21:52] <powersj> looking
[21:53] <powersj> smoser: so if bytes doesn't exist, then we will print the whole 'output' of ec2 console to console? that may fill things up
[21:56] <smoser> powersj: well, it'll fill the test too.
[21:56] <smoser> thats only 64k at most
[21:56] <smoser> if you want i can  make it pring only the first X chars
[21:57] <smoser> powersj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26419112/ ?
[21:58] <powersj> smoser: sure - have you seen it fail and drop down to that?
[21:59] <smoser> well, only when i was not getting it patched correctly
[21:59] <smoser> the first version only patched the 'ec2_resource'
[21:59] <smoser> but then you had created  instances using a session that was not using theh patched path
[21:59] <smoser> or something like that.
[21:59] <smoser> either way, yes. i saw it, but if we hit it it means that the "monkey patch" is probably broken
[22:04] <dojordan> @blackboxsw, fixed, good catch
[23:43] <dojordan> @blackboxsw, sorry to bother, but any idea when you're able to get around to the azure/ec2 pass?


[01:37] <billybigrigger> anyone here running 11.10?
[02:01] <cyphermox> billybigrigger: yup
[02:01] <billybigrigger> yup what
[02:01] <cyphermox> running 11.10
[02:03] <billybigrigger> ati/nvidia?
[02:24] <cyphermox> billybigrigger: nah, intel; I have some nvidia hardware running 11.10 though
[02:24] <cyphermox> if you have a question, ask; I may be able to answer
[02:55] <billybigrigger> cyphermox, just wanting to know which ati driver works best and how do i easily switch between them
[02:59] <cyphermox> depends largely on your card
[02:59] <cyphermox> older cards will probably work with the radeon driver; newer ones will almost definitely require fglrx
[03:15] <billybigrigger> radeon hd 4200
[03:16] <billybigrigger> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[03:16] <billybigrigger> cyphermox, ok so where do i change my driver?
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[12:23] <falconeer> hi
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hey falconeer
[12:30] <dscassel> Morning, folks.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> hey dscassel
[13:31] <BluesKaj> BBL
[23:48] <dscassel> If you'd like to cheer me on, my membership meeting starts in ~10min in #ubuntu-meeting.
[23:49] <dscassel> (If they get quorum, anyway... :)