[00:04] <oneof3> wil upgrading the new LTS break my duel boot?
[00:04] <oneof3> ty
[00:04] <oneof3> maybe it will but its easy to fix?
[00:05] <quantibility> grub should keep.. isn't it on a small partition
[00:06] <Unit193> If you're using UEFI, yes.
[00:06] <Unit193> (There are other, non-default ways to get it as well, but that's the same with everything.)
[00:14] <Guest93169> hey, how do i turn safeboot  off?
[00:15] <Guest93169> or get into BIOS settings to do it?
[00:21] <Guest93169> this is kinda urgent guys
[00:22] <Guest93169> its cuz of my OS
[00:22] <Guest93169> wrong chat
[00:25] <hbx> sup
[00:26] <Guest93169> can u help me format my HD in xubuntu?
[00:26] <Guest93169> or turn safeboot off?
[00:35] <Guest93169> is there a command or something i can use to wipe everything off my Hard Drive? including the OS?
[00:40] <Guest93169> is there a command or something i can use to wipe everything off my Hard Drive? including the OS?
[00:50] <Guest93169> is there a command or something i can use to wipe everything off my Hard Drive? including the OS?
[00:51] <ObrienDave> yes, but we're not allowed to tell it to you
[00:51] <Guest93169> you arent?
[00:51] <Guest93169> can u go in my comp nd do it? i need to uninstall Xubuntu...
[00:51] <ObrienDave> uttering such a commanand can get you banned
[00:52] <Guest93169> oh :(
[00:52] <ObrienDave> *command
[00:52] <ObrienDave> what are you trying to accomplish?
[00:52] <Guest93169> is there a wy to uninstall it without the command that shall not be named?
[00:53] <Guest93169> i need to turn safeboot off so i can re-install windows but cant access bios by using the delete button?
[00:53] <Guest93169> or uninstall Xubuntu would work too, and i need to format my Hard Drive anyways :/
[00:54] <ObrienDave> normally BIOS is F2 or F10, depends on your computer
[00:54] <Guest93169> ill try now
[00:54] <Guest93169> f2 is startup
[00:54] <ObrienDave> why not boot into a live DVD sys?
[00:55] <ObrienDave> much easier
[00:55] <Guest93169> cuz i only ave recovery disk
[00:55] <Guest93169> from Acer
[00:55] <ObrienDave> ok, that will wipe out the HD and reinstall windows
[00:56] <Guest93169> it cnt cuz its in safe mode and i cant get it out cuz i cant get into BIOS, neither f2 or f10 work
[00:56] <Guest93169> can't* sorry
[00:56] <ObrienDave> np
[00:56] <Guest93169> this comp is missing the a key so its just a lil rubber nub
[00:56] <ObrienDave> which safe mode? window?
[00:57] <Guest93169> the computer is
[00:57] <Guest93169> in safemode, and i need it out to boot from this disk
[00:57] <ObrienDave> yes, windows safe mode?
[00:58] <Guest93169> i dunno, support guy just said i needed to go into my BIOS and turn safemode off
[00:58] <Guest93169> then he said he couldnt help cuz i hve xubuntu installed and stopped talking
[00:59] <ObrienDave> well, for bios i've also seen home, delete, any number of F keys. you need to find which key is for your bios
[01:00] <ObrienDave> comp model number?
[01:00] <Guest93169> is there a way to format without the forbidden command?
[01:00] <Guest93169> uhm..acer aspire e1-522
[01:00] <ObrienDave> the command is not really a format, it's a delete all command
[01:00] <Guest93169> oh! ms2372
[01:01] <Guest93169> oh
[01:01] <Guest93169> so it wouldnt work?
[01:01] <ObrienDave> not as a format, sorry. long weekend, very tired
[01:02] <Guest93169> no its fine
[01:02] <Guest93169> im sorry for being clueless about this
[01:03] <ObrienDave> no prob. everything i'm reading shows F2 for bios
[01:04] <Guest93169> ok im in this menu, at the top the tbs say: information, main, security, boot and exit
[01:04] <Guest93169> no bios or safeboot anywhere
[01:04] <ObrienDave> you're in UEFI boot screen
[01:05] <Guest93169> boot mode is legacy
[01:05] <ObrienDave> i no nothing about UEFI settings
[01:05] <ObrienDave> *know
[01:06] <Guest93169> boot mode is legacy though...not UEFI
[01:06] <ObrienDave> !uefi
[01:07] <Guest93169> oh
[01:07] <ObrienDave> just a FYI for you
[01:07] <Guest93169> so you cant help?
[01:08] <ObrienDave> what happens when you try to boot the recovery disk?
[01:09] <Guest93169> says to switch to UEFI, then when i pick an option it says to switch to LEGACY and just dosnt work
[01:09] <Guest93169> er, when i put it in legacy it says to switch to uefi again
[01:10] <ObrienDave> hmm, look for a safeboot setting
[01:10] <Guest93169> would it be secure boot?
[01:11] <ObrienDave> could be, i dunno really
[01:11] <Guest93169> mmm :/
[01:11] <ObrienDave> what is safe boot set to?
[01:11] <ObrienDave> secure ;P
[01:12] <Guest93169> enabled, and i cant change it
[01:12] <Guest93169> wont let me select it
[01:12] <ObrienDave> there is probably another setting to allow access to that one
[01:13] <Guest93169> got it! had to set an Admin password, lets see if this works now
[01:13] <ObrienDave> ok
[01:14] <Guest93169> thank you :3
[01:14] <ObrienDave> once you turn secure boot off, the DVD should boot
[01:15] <Guest93169> i think it is, disk drive is spinning away
[01:15] <ObrienDave> cool, back in 5
[01:16] <Guest93169> ok
[01:16] <Guest93169> :)
[01:17] <Guest93169> didnt work :(
[01:20] <ObrienDave> ok, what happened?
[01:20] <Guest93169> said to boot from legacy BIOS
[01:20] <Guest93169> same as before
[01:21] <ObrienDave> ok go back to UEFI menu and change that setting, i would assume
[01:22] <Guest93169> ok trying now
[01:25] <Guest93169> "this recovery system can only be used in "UEFI" mode"
[01:25] <Guest93169> stupid comp
[01:26] <ObrienDave> i would suggest reading further on your system and see how to do it.
[01:26] <Guest93169> i need to format my HD so i can use the DEL button to get into bios
[01:26] <Guest93169> do you know how i can do that?
[01:27] <ObrienDave> from a live system. burn a live ISO to DVD
[01:28] <Guest93169> would Xubuntu 14.04 on a usb work?
[01:28] <ObrienDave> yes
[01:28] <Guest93169> ok, lemme go grab it
[01:30] <Guest93169> do i boot off the usb?
[01:31] <ObrienDave> yes
[01:35] <ObrienDave> did, that recovery disk come with that system?
[01:35] <Guest93169> what do i select from this menu? default, help, try, install, check disc for defects,test memory, boot from hard disk?
[01:36] <Guest93169> or tab to edit options?
[01:36] <ObrienDave> try
[01:37] <Guest93169> ok its loading up now
[01:37] <Guest93169> ok now what
[01:38] <Guest93169> sorry if i seem demanding
[01:38] <Guest93169> i dont mean too
[01:38] <ObrienDave> no to worry
[01:38] <ObrienDave> *not
[01:38] <Guest93169> ok :)
[01:38] <ObrienDave> i'm not sure if wiping the drive will allow the DVD to boot. are you sure you want  to do this?
[01:39] <Guest93169> ya i have everything backe dup and if all else fails i can reinstall xubuntu
[01:39] <Guest93169> backed up*
[01:40] <ObrienDave> ok, last chance ;P
[01:40] <Guest93169> haha ok, what do i do?
[01:40] <ObrienDave> run gparted it should be in system i think
[01:41] <Guest93169> how do i start it?
[01:41] <Guest93169> run it*
[01:42] <ObrienDave> it's in the menu somewhere
[01:43] <Guest93169> i cant find it, neither can application finder, and i checked software center, says its installed
[01:44] <ObrienDave> how about rebooting the USB and going for the install?
[01:44] <Guest93169> i already have it installed, cn i just boot from HDD?
[01:45] <ObrienDave> you want to overwrite the HD, yes?
[01:45] <ObrienDave> i'm confused
[01:46] <Guest93169> i want to completely remove Xubuntu
[01:46] <Guest93169> so i can install Windows instead
[01:48] <ObrienDave> open a terminal, type gksu gparted
[01:48] <Guest93169> in the try thing or the installed?
[01:49] <ObrienDave> you are now running from the live USB, yes?
[01:49] <Guest93169> yes
[01:49] <ObrienDave> ok, open a terminal, type gksu gparted
[01:50] <Guest93169> ok
[01:51] <Guest93169> have to install gksu
[01:52] <ObrienDave> try just, gparted
[01:52] <Guest93169> it says only root may run it
[01:52] <ObrienDave> sudo gparted
[01:53] <Guest93169> that worked
[01:53] <ObrienDave> top right, select the drive you want to work with
[01:53] <Guest93169> ok
[01:54] <Guest93169> done
[01:54] <ObrienDave> device, create partition table
[01:54] <ObrienDave> it should say msdos
[01:54] <Guest93169> a new partition cant be created when there are active partitions?
[01:55] <Guest93169> 1 partition currently active on device /dev/sda
[01:55] <Guest93169> ??
[01:55] <ObrienDave> are you in the correct drive?
[01:55] <ObrienDave> ok, unmount that drive
[01:56] <Guest93169> uh...
[01:56] <Guest93169> it is unmounted
[01:56] <Guest93169> should i mount then unmount?
[01:56] <ObrienDave> yes, try that
[01:57] <Guest93169> didnt work
[01:58] <Guest93169> status is :busy(at least one logical partition is mounted)
[01:58] <Guest93169> that help at all?
[01:58] <ObrienDave> ok, try rebooting to USB, go for install
[01:58] <Guest93169> wait, what about deactivating in gparted?
[01:59] <ObrienDave> deactivating?
[01:59] <Guest93169> i can right click and there is a deactivate option
[02:00] <ObrienDave> never seen that one. try it
[02:01] <Guest93169> didnt work, but now there is a format to option?
[02:01] <Guest93169> "format to"
[02:01] <ObrienDave> ok, try the create partition table
[02:02] <Guest93169> says a partition is still active
[02:02] <ObrienDave> what size is the drive?
[02:03] <Guest93169> oh i got it
[02:03] <Guest93169> there was another thing activated tht i thought was the usb
[02:03] <Guest93169> i see the msdos thing now
[02:04] <ObrienDave> wait!
[02:04] <Guest93169> i am
[02:04] <ObrienDave> make SURE you have the HD selected, sda, i believe
[02:04] <ObrienDave> ok,
[02:04] <Guest93169> ya its sda
[02:05] <ObrienDave> now create
[02:05] <Guest93169> msdos?
[02:05] <ObrienDave> what size is the drive?
[02:05] <Guest93169> 698.64 GiB
[02:06] <ObrienDave> yes, msdos
[02:06] <Guest93169> ok
[02:06] <Guest93169> now what
[02:07] <ObrienDave> drive should say unallocated after this
[02:07] <Guest93169> yep
[02:07] <ObrienDave> partition, new
[02:08] <ObrienDave> make the whole drive NTFS
[02:08] <Guest93169> how?
[02:10] <Guest93169> do i just make the new size the max it can be?
[02:10] <Guest93169> and turn file systems to ntfs?
[02:10] <ObrienDave> select NTFS from the 'type' drop down
[02:10] <ObrienDave> 'file system' sorry
[02:11] <Guest93169> np
[02:11] <ObrienDave> yes, to both
[02:11] <Guest93169> i did
[02:11] <Guest93169> ok
[02:11] <Guest93169> now what
[02:11] <ObrienDave> green check mark to apply
[02:11] <Guest93169> ok done
[02:12] <ObrienDave> ok, you now have a completely empty HD. shut down, remove USB, try to boot the DVD
[02:12] <Guest93169> ok
[02:16] <oneof3> hi just uupdated Xubuntu LTS and i see at boot I have the normal Ubuntu entires but I also have one just called Ubuntu. Which do i choose and does it matter?
[02:17] <ObrienDave> the Ubuntu entry in GRUB is supposed to be the right one and update with new kernels
[02:17] <ObrienDave> but i can't get it ti update LOL
[02:17] <ObrienDave> *it to
[02:17] <oneof3> I hav Ubuntu, and Ubuntu with Linux etc..
[02:18] <oneof3> oh i see
[02:18] <oneof3> ty
[02:18] <ObrienDave> yw
[02:22] <Guest93169> ugh saying to use legacy mode then UEFI(i think thats the letters) mode -.-
[02:24] <Guest93169> i give up for tonight, too tired and frustrated right now
[02:24] <Guest93169> g'night ObrienDave, thanks for the help
[02:24] <ObrienDave> i have no clue what's wrong. i don't know UEFI
[02:25] <Guest93169> no problem, ill figure it out
[02:25] <ObrienDave> k
[02:39] <photon> Hi. Two hours ago I unmounted an ext4 partition. I tried to remount it half an hour ago, got an error (don't remember the exact wording, but IIRC something about bad descriptors was in it). dmesg showed "group descriptors corrupted" for that partition. I ran fsck on it. It fixed tens of thousands of "Group descriptor ... checksum is invalid." errors, tens of thousands of "Free blocks count wrong for group" errors, and just as many "Inode bitmap diffe
[02:39] <photon> rences" errors, followed by another bunch of "free inode count wrong" errors. After an hour of fixing, I got no more errors and remounted the partition. At first glance, it seems all my files are still there and intact. What could have caused this? Could it be that the HDD is failing? SMART shows no such indication and no errors. Should I buy a new HDD? Should I reformat? Or can I safely continue to use this partition? Thank you!
[03:53] <fernando_> hello everyone
[04:00] <_adrenaline> hello
[04:07] <ali1234> photon: can't tell without the logs...
[04:07] <ali1234> sounds like you should back up whatever is on the drive though
[04:09] <photon> ali1234: which logs do you need? the error I got was "bad superblock" ... could it be possible that one bad superblock is causing all these thousands of checksums and counts to be invalid?
[04:09] <ali1234> dmesg
[04:10] <photon> [   99.769472] EXT4-fs (dm-3): ext4_check_descriptors: Inode table for group 3266 not in group (block<PHONE_NUMBER>)!
[04:10] <photon> [   99.769475] EXT4-fs (dm-3): group descriptors corrupted!
[04:10] <photon> that's the two relevant lines.
[04:10] <ali1234> nothing else?
[04:10] <photon> nothing else besides netfilter log entries.
[04:11] <photon> however, when running fsck I got thousands of errors.
[04:12] <ali1234> what type of drive is it?
[04:12] <photon> magnetic hard drive
[04:12] <photon> 4 TB partition
[04:13] <photon> connected via SATA
[04:16] <photon> ali1234: Can you come up with any reasonable scenario that might explain how a bad superblock can cause 28000+ errors and when they are fixed, everything seems to be OK again? I'm trying to wrap my head around this.
[04:17] <ali1234> there is a backup superblock
[04:17] <ali1234> the superblock stores information about every file
[04:17] <ali1234> so if you were to erase it you could concievably get an error for every file on the disk
[04:20] <photon> ali1234: ah, so something has likely destroyed the "main" superblock (could have been a simple bit flip at a critical position within the superblock, right?), which made it impossible to mount the partition, and fsck used the backup superblock to repair the main one?
[04:20] <ali1234> nah, bitflip wouldn't be enough
[04:21] <ali1234> also it would tell you if it did that
[04:21] <ali1234> the usual way the superblock goes bad is if the sector it is on has to be reallocated
[04:21] <ali1234> but that would show up in smart
[04:24] <photon> could it be that my hard drive is failing without SMART showing any errors?
[04:24] <ali1234> not really
[04:25] <photon> hmmm
[04:25] <photon> could an unclean umount cause a superblock to go bad, then?
[04:25] <ali1234> could do yeah
[04:27] <photon> well, I guess I should be happy then that I got my partition back and not wonder too much about what could have caused this.
[04:57] <oneof3> hello. Can anyone tell me how to please shutdown or remove xfce4-power-manager 1.2.0?
[04:58] <oneof3> oh, from starting as well please. I dont see any mention of it in startup
[05:53] <chris___> i just installed steam and apt-get update is suck at 100% [Waiting for headers]
[05:54] <chris___> why is it doing this?
[05:58] <chris___> i just installed steam and apt-get update is suck at "100% [Waiting for headers]" why is it doing this?
[05:58] <chris___> holy crap it wasnt stuck it was just the slowest thing i have ever seen
[06:18] <baizon> chris: the steam repo isnt working
[06:18] <baizon> disable it
[07:51] <SamwiseGamgee> test
[07:51] <baizon> test back
[07:51] <ObrienDave> seriously?
[07:51] <ObrienDave> now you're going to troll Xubuntu?
[07:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Wow, what happened, this channel went blank, did you guys notice a server problem?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> yes, you showed up
[07:52] <SamwiseGamgee> all the text disappeared form the xubuntu channel
[07:53] <Luyin> lol
[07:53] <baizon> why ban?
[07:53] <Luyin> he hasn't even asked one question. wtf?
[07:55] <ikonia> no need for bad language
[07:55] <ObrienDave> Luyin, you don't know his history on other channels. this is a family oriented channel
[07:55] <Luyin> ok just saw the discussion in the other channel.
[07:55] <deshipu> so, anyone have problem with chromium interface being too big?
[07:55] <Luyin> I actually kinda like him, he's so much fun :D
[07:55] <ObrienDave> define too big
[07:56] <ObrienDave> deshipu, define too big
[07:57] <deshipu> ObrienDave: 4 times larger than normal, after the last update
[07:57] <ObrienDave> visually?
[07:57] <deshipu> yes
[07:58] <ObrienDave> have you checked your screen DPI?
[07:58] <deshipu> yes, it's 96
[07:59] <ObrienDave> font size?
[07:59] <ObrienDave> resolution?
[07:59] <deshipu> it's not just fonts, the whole thing is huge
[07:59] <deshipu> and only that one app
[08:00] <ObrienDave> does chromium have UI scaling?
[08:00] <deshipu> how would I know?
[08:00] <ObrienDave> check its steeings
[08:00] <ObrienDave> *settings
[08:03] <deshipu> http://paste.sheep.art.pl/18be5ac2-e494-40a3-bb31-47f7d347d0db <-- here is the screenshot, firefox and chromium side by side
[08:03] <deshipu> nothing like that in chromium settings
[08:04] <deshipu> also, deleting chromium settings files doesn't help
[08:58] <Psil0Cybin> upgraded to 14.04 noticed it came with ubuntu spyware
[08:58] <Psil0Cybin> how can i remove unity-webapps-runner
[08:58] <ikonia> please don't call it spyware
[08:58] <ikonia> grow up a bit if you want help
[08:58] <nickger> hi !
[08:58] <Psil0Cybin> okay sorry how can i remove that package
[08:59] <ikonia> Psil0Cybin: why is a unity package in xubuntu
[08:59] <ikonia> Psil0Cybin: are you using xubuntu ?
[08:59] <Psil0Cybin> yes
[08:59] <nickger> how can i prevent Xubuntu from turning on the screensaver while watching a film in browser with Flashplayer ?
[08:59] <Psil0Cybin> and i think witht his install i had unity fist then did xuubntu-desktop install
[08:59] <bazhang> !crosspost | Psil0Cybin
[08:59] <Psil0Cybin> but i removed it all in 14.04 and upgrading brought it back
[08:59] <ikonia> Psil0Cybin: so it's nothing to do with xubuntu then
[08:59] <ikonia> Psil0Cybin: you installed ubuntu - which is why unity packages are there
[09:00] <cfhowlett> Psil0Cybin, if logged in xfce, I THINK sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop will remove the ubuntu packages.  might need to reinstall xubuntu-desktop to make sure you've got a running system
[09:00] <ikonia> cfhowlett: I thought that only took the metapackage
[09:01] <Dragon64> you will need to do a sudo apt-get autoremove after that to remove the rest
[09:01] <cfhowlett> Psil0Cybin, or you might download and install the actual xubuntu
[09:02] <Psil0Cybin> dang
[09:02] <Psil0Cybin> all with a format
[09:02] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[09:02] <Psil0Cybin> i have plenty of work to do :(
[09:02] <Psil0Cybin> should have not upgraded tonight
[09:05] <Dragon64> it does unless you do the other too, I did the exact same thing a week ago ...     ;)
[09:06] <Psil0Cybin> the other too?
[09:06] <Psil0Cybin> im triing to find the package in synaps so i can try and remove it and learn from this
[09:06] <Psil0Cybin> if im already going to reformat
[09:07] <Psil0Cybin> i need to do plenty of backups
[09:07] <Psil0Cybin> i thought this owuld be a nice clean upgrade lol i keep learning to expect the worst so im not going nuts
[09:23] <Psil0Cybin> if someone can help me remove unity-webapps-runner --amazon --app-id=ubuntu-amazon-default that i would be forever grreaful cannot find a way to rid it off my machine
[09:28] <brainwash> Psil0Cybin: remove the package unity-webapps-service
[09:29] <Psil0Cybin> wierd question
[09:29] <Psil0Cybin> how come i am missing ubuntu software center
[09:29] <Psil0Cybin> has that name changed?
[09:30] <brainwash> don't think so
[09:31] <Psil0Cybin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2202338&page=1
[09:31] <Psil0Cybin> my issue
[09:31] <Psil0Cybin> lol
[09:33] <Psil0Cybin> btw thanks brainwash !
[09:33] <Psil0Cybin> i really appreciate that
[09:33] <Psil0Cybin> software-center is installed but i cannot view it wierd
[09:39] <Psil0Cybin> what is xfce network mananger
[09:40] <Psil0Cybin> Wicd?
[09:40] <Psil0Cybin> i need a tray icon for xfce for the wifi
[09:42] <Psil0Cybin> can i remove the nm-applet from gnome or will it mess something up
[09:42] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: nm comes with a tray icon, with xubuntu it's usually in the networking-indicator
[09:43] <Psil0Cybin> nm does not work for me
[09:43] <Luyin> xfce4-indicator-plugin
[09:43] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: then you can install wicd
[09:43] <Psil0Cybin> i already have that indicator plugin
[09:44] <Psil0Cybin> but it does not display networks and show my vpns etc
[09:44] <Psil0Cybin> like it did before
[09:44] <Psil0Cybin> ur saying wicd would work?
[09:46] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: run "sudo service network-manager restart" and see if nm returns. I can't recommend wicd really, because it lacks some functions like mobile broadband connections
[09:47] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: but I'd still recommend to just back up your /home and reinstall xubuntu, that should solve most of your problems if they've come from upgrading.
[09:55] <Psil0Cybin> okay im back i cannot get nm-applet to work
[09:55] <Psil0Cybin> nor can i get it to display other wifi networks around me :( like that icon is just missing
[09:55] <Psil0Cybin> in 14.04
[10:02] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: could you send me a screenshot of your desktop please?
[10:02] <Psil0Cybin> Luyin: what service should i use to upload?
[10:02] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: whatever you like
[10:05] <Psil0Cybin> Luyin:
[10:05] <Psil0Cybin> http://s30.postimg.org/w8fnshmq7/1404.png
[10:05] <Psil0Cybin> on top i have no network icon to display other connections or the vpns or anything like i had in the gnome one
[10:06] <Psil0Cybin> prior to upgrading in 12.04 , i had a nm-applet that would display along side other icons like the sound etc
[10:06] <Psil0Cybin> thats all gone
[10:06] <Psil0Cybin> now
[10:06] <Psil0Cybin> no sound icon or mail icon anymore or nmapplet
[10:06] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: rightclick onto your panel → add element → add "indicator-plugin"
[10:09] <Psil0Cybin> when i do that its all buggy it adds 30 icions of the wifi icon i want and then crashes
[10:09] <Psil0Cybin> at first i thought it was the indicator-multiload plugin
[10:09] <Psil0Cybin> so i remofed it
[10:10] <Psil0Cybin> but it still continued
[10:11] <Psil0Cybin> gksu and the command is what people suggest online but that wsound iffy
[10:12] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: gksu and which command?
[10:12] <Psil0Cybin> nm-applet
[10:13] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: nope, that shouldn't run as root I suppose. doesn't here at least.
[10:13] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: my suggest is still that you reinstall. it seems there's a whole lot of problems that occured through your upgrading process, and you'd save yourself a lot of time if you just reinstall and set up your desktop again as you wish it to be.
[10:14] <Luyin> Psil0Cybin: others might help on this more, but I'm at a loss what else to suggest now.
[10:15] <Psil0Cybin> oksy
[10:15] <Psil0Cybin> thanks
[10:15] <Psil0Cybin> let me try restarting again
[10:15] <Psil0Cybin> after another update
[10:45] <glitchd> hello everyone
[10:46] <glitchd> got an error after installing on top of a system that was broken by a wild rm -rf ...
[10:46] <glitchd> its complaining about the sources list
[10:47] <glitchd> E: Malformed line 68 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[10:47] <glitchd> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[10:47] <glitchd> thats the error
[10:48] <glitchd> but, it was line 67 so i commented it out but then it just went to the next line and gave the same error
[10:48] <deshipu> well, open that file, and fix the error at line 68?
[10:48] <glitchd> i did that for line 67 but then it said it about 68
[10:48] <deshipu> hmm
[10:48] <glitchd> its making me think that its gonna do that for everything after 67
[10:48] <deshipu> I would just backup all the important files from your system and do a clean install
[10:49] <glitchd> there are sources in there that i would like to keep but im not skilled enough to go thru and manually adjust copy or fix them
[10:49] <glitchd> lol
[10:49] <glitchd> that would be the smart thing yo do
[10:49] <glitchd> *to do
[10:49] <glitchd> guess im trying to go against the grain here
[10:50] <glitchd> guess im gonna have to wipe it all then
[10:50] <glitchd> thx for the help
[10:50] <deshipu> I'm going to guess that its trying to download something to some directory that doesn't exist
[10:51] <glitchd> that would make sense since the original system suffered a wile rm -rf
[10:51] <glitchd> i was able to cancle it out just a second after it was activated
[10:53] <glitchd> imagine that,
[10:54] <deshipu> you may have stuff missing in there that you discover in two years from now
[10:54] <deshipu> when you try to use somehting
[10:54] <glitchd> lol
[10:54] <glitchd> i doubt this system will last all that long
[10:55] <glitchd> i see a full reinstall in my near future
[10:55] <glitchd> today is a lazy day
[10:55] <glitchd> thx for the answers
[12:43] <toma678> For some reason my LVM home partition is only showing the size of one PV ( the original one before I added my 2TB drive to the VG ) and ignoring the +2TB I added at a later date. Any ideas?
[12:47] <toma678> ^ Ignore that, forgot to do resize2fs.
[14:18] <ssarah> hei guys, what does $sudo passwd
[14:18] <ssarah> do?
[14:18] <deshipu> let's you set the password for the root user
[14:19] <deshipu> lets
[14:19] <cfhowlett_> ssarah, NOT recommended
[14:19] <cfhowlett_> !root | ssarah
[14:21] <ObrienDave> *no snarkyness* ;P
[14:21] <cfhowlett_> ObrienDave, snark on standby but not needed - so far.
[14:22] <ObrienDave> ;)
[14:24] <ali1234> does "sudo passwd" actually change root's password?
[14:24] <ali1234> or just change the user's password using root's privilege?
[14:25] <ObrienDave> why do you want to do that?
[14:25] <ali1234> i don't. just curious
[14:25] <ali1234> since i've never had the desire to do it, i don't really know exactly what it does. hence why i asked...
[14:26] <ObrienDave> i think it does, not sure
[14:26] <cfhowlett_> ali1234, don't mess with root until you know what you're doing.  Just sayin' ...
[14:28] <ali1234> sudo whoami -> root
[14:28] <Inoki> Guys I have a question; I'm about to re-install a laptop with a given name for the home folder. Can I change this home folder's name during the live session and when I specify the new home folder name during installation will it be normally mounted?
[14:28] <ali1234> that answers that one then
[14:28] <ObrienDave> !crosspost | Inoki
[14:28] <ali1234> Inoki: folders aren't mounted
[14:29] <ali1234> the installer makes a home folder matching your username
[14:30] <ali1234> if you rename the existing home folder, then assuming you don't format, a new fresh home will be created, and the old one will be wherever you renamed it to
[14:30] <Inoki> ObrienDave: didn't feel like I'd get a reply.
[14:30] <ObrienDave> patience, grasshopper
[14:31] <ObrienDave> sometimes you have to wait more than 90 seconds ;P
[14:36] <GridCube> Inoki, when you go throught he manual partitioning of the install process you can choose a different mount point for you /home dir
[14:38] <GridCube> if you leave it to be automated it will create a new directory under wich it will install ~/
[14:43] <Inoki> Thanks a lot here also, it should work that way.
[17:27] <Madne5> hi
[17:28] <Madne5> по русски может кто
[17:28] <Madne5> ?
[17:29] <ObrienDave> !ru
[17:49] <_nim> Hi, can anyone help me with a harddrive/partition problem? :)
[17:49] <ObrienDave> not without knowing what the issue is :)
[17:50] <_nim> ObrienDave: I dual boot Windows 8 and Xubuntu, and I made a 500 GB partition in Windows which is currently unallocated. I want to use this partition in Xubuntu as a second drive/more space, but I don't know how or what to google for
[17:52] <ObrienDave> you have to allocate a file system to it. fat32, ntfs, if you want windows to see it. ext4 if you only want linux to see it
[17:52] <_nim> How do I allocate it to ext4?
[17:52] <ObrienDave> format it to ext4 using gparted
[17:54] <_nim> As a primary or extended partition?
[17:57] <ObrienDave> primary
[17:57] <_nim> Thanks. Do I have to give it a "label"?
[17:58] <ObrienDave> you don't have to. it comes in handy
[18:00] <ObrienDave> green check mark to apply
[18:01] <_nim> Now a new drive showed up in Thunar but it has a weird name. can I rename it? :)
[18:02] <ObrienDave> yes, that's the label LOL
[18:02] <_nim> Hah, ohhh. I'll redo it. Thanks :)
[18:28] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i upgraded to ubuntu 14.04 and im having problems running google chrome - as well as getting nm-applet to work the only way i can get it to appear is by using dbus-launch nm-applet is that safe? what does dbus-launch actually do? differently?
[18:31] <ObrienDave> did you install chrome properly?
[18:34] <Psil0Cybin> got it working it was the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[18:34] <Psil0Cybin> missing libraries
[18:34] <Psil0Cybin> but my biggest issue is the nm-applet
[18:34] <Psil0Cybin> is running it with dbus-launch safe?
[18:34] <Psil0Cybin> why is it having problem,s launching normally like it used too just with nm-applet
[18:34] <ObrienDave> i have no idea
[18:37] <ali1234> what has google chrome got to do with nm-applet?
[18:44] <Psil0Cybin> two questions binded together to save you guys from enter spamming.
[18:44] <Psil0Cybin> ali1234,
[18:44] <ali1234> oh.
[18:45] <ali1234> okay then. why are you running nm-applet manually?
[18:50] <Psil0Cybin> its not starting up by its self..
[18:50] <Psil0Cybin> actually after upgrading to 14.04, i had plenty of ptroblems with indicator-applet or indicator-multiload
[18:50] <Psil0Cybin> it would spawn thosands of icons. close them, crash restart, and continue that process over and over.
[19:06] <arno_> Hi, I just installed ubuntu. And then switched to xubuntu with this method: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/alternative
[19:06] <arno_> I did setup dvorak keyboard layout at installation. And, in xfce keyboard settings, I did choose "use system layout"
[19:07] <arno_> but whenever my computer reboots, xfce is still in qwerty. How do  I fix that?
[19:09] <ObrienDave> settings, keyboard, reconfigure proper keyboard
[19:10] <Psil0Cybin> if i redownload xubuntu do i get 14.04.1 or 14.04
[19:10] <Psil0Cybin> i want the most supported LTS build
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> also i upgraded from 12.04 and i cannot boot into my system i get a Starting Mount filesystems on boot failed! what can i do to fix this?! to get information off my HD before i format..
[19:11] <ObrienDave> !crosspost | Psil0Cybin
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> i am in a bad place ObrienDave :(
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> I did not back up...and plan for these things
[19:12] <ObrienDave> so, boot a live system, BACK UP to an external drive, reinstall
[19:12] <Psil0Cybin> ObrienDave, encrypted home directory :'(
[19:12] <Psil0Cybin> can i boot a live install and mount it?
[19:13] <ObrienDave> i don't know about that. i doubt it
[19:13] <Psil0Cybin> I did not think this would happen i was actually in the system 10 minutes ago using it perfectly....and all i did was restart, after installing updates
[19:13] <Psil0Cybin> i cant tell if it was the updates or...
[19:13] <Psil0Cybin> just because
[19:14] <Psil0Cybin> soi am i at a loss?
[19:14] <ObrienDave> i don't know what happened either.
[19:14] <Psil0Cybin> okay i booted in safe mode
[19:15] <Psil0Cybin> it was because it cannot load libudev.so.1
[19:15] <Psil0Cybin> it says cannot open shared object file, no such file or directory
[19:15] <Psil0Cybin> what i did was try to link it to libudev.so.0 before..
[19:15] <ObrienDave> i've heard that works. not sure
[19:17] <Psil0Cybin> it says to do this on 64bit system
[19:17] <Psil0Cybin> sudo ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0.13.0 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0
[19:17] <Psil0Cybin> what do i do on a 32 bit one?
[19:17] <ObrienDave> i don't know
[19:39] <xubuntu504> hey guys
[19:39] <xubuntu504> I thought maybe someone here could help
[19:39] <xubuntu504> I've run into some bug
[19:40] <ObrienDave> not without knowing what the issue is :)
[19:40] <xubuntu504> if I plug in my headphones too many times the sound stops working
[19:40] <xubuntu504> and I have to reformat
[19:40] <xubuntu504> to fix it
[19:40] <ObrienDave> reformat what?
[19:41] <xubuntu504> my laptop
[19:41] <xubuntu504> and reinstall xubuntu
[19:42] <xubuntu504> tried all the suggestions I found, like removing and reinstalling pulseaudio etc
[19:42] <xubuntu504> but took a reformat and reinstall of xubuntu to fix
[19:43] <xubuntu504> are there any good backup programs so I can do like a system restore
[19:44] <xubuntu504> instead of having to reformat next time
[19:45] <Hedgework> xubuntu504: There are many options, depending on what you like your backups to be like.
[19:46] <Hedgework> xubuntu504: My preferred solution is rsnapshot + etckeeper... I use rsnapshot to keep a full and several incremental backups of my /home and /var/log directories, plus etckeeper to track all my system configuration.  This way it's easy for me to selectively restore things to previous states.
[19:46] <Hedgework> xubuntu504: However, I'm not at all confident that these things have GUIs, so I'm not sure they'd be right for someone less command-line oriented.
[19:49] <Unit193> Ah, etckeeper.  Saw that in the package list a long time ago, sounded a little interesting.
[19:50] <Hedgework> I really like it.
[19:50] <Hedgework> It's simple, it doesn't break, and it does what I need it to.
[20:25] <ali1234> yeah the headphone thing sounds like the "independent h/p" bug
[20:26] <ali1234> maybe not on a laptop though
[22:15] <Psil0Cybin> Hello , everyone how can i remove guest session from my Xubuntu Login? panel?
[22:16] <Psil0Cybin> i tried editing "sudo gedit /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/lightdm-greeter or what ever it was exactly called and put allow-guest=false
[22:16] <Psil0Cybin> but i do not think that was the proper file
[22:47] <mus> hello. can someone please help me? everytime i click on "trash" in thunar it suddenly closes. what should i do?
[22:48] <Psil0Cybin> last question installing xscreensaver on xubuntu wants to install xfishtank, xdaliclock qcam, streamer, gdm3 kdm-gdmcompat is that fine?


[00:21] <SunStar> perhapse permissions preoblem
[00:44] <dlumberg> perms on what?
[00:44] <dlumberg> and why would it change on a crash?
[04:55] <teejmya> So is this place alive, or what?
[04:58] <SunStar> yeah
[04:58] <SunStar> when it suites us
[08:39] <phf> hello, i'm experiencing unexpected trouble with my installation of 12.10. suddenly it won't boot anymore, it just kind of freezes displaying a few messages that are all commented with [OK]. i suggest there's something wrong with the graphics.
[08:41] <phf> does anybody have any advice? in addition: i installed rosegarden yesterday, that went well. one of the messages, displayed on the screen is "starting timidity alsa midi emulation [ok]", and it is often, but not always, the last message that is displayed, before there is no progress anymore.
[08:47] <Evil[1]> hello, I got some little questions... I tried ubuntu last year on my laptop and got massive problems with overheat and battery drain (that phoronix thing)... is this problem fix in recent versions?
[08:48] <Evil[1]> and secondly, is xubuntu is a fully supported distribution?
[08:53] <SunStar> 1) overheat fixed by running fans more, battery still drains quicker than it should. 2) yes
[08:58] <phf> okay i just got back into xfce, typing 'startx'. -.- any comments on that? :D
[09:00] <Evil[1]> hmmm, thanks.
[09:03] <Evil[1]> 2) is nice to hear... unity isn't my cup of tea, xfce is such a nice thing... but 1) is a real showstopper, to bad... if one thing is excellent in win7, then it's the power management.
[09:06] <SunStar> i dont know any linux that doesnt excessivly drain the battery
[09:07] <TheSheep> works fine on non-faulty hardware :)
[09:07] <SunStar> it should just work
[09:07] <SunStar> shouldnt need special hardware
[09:07] <TheSheep> it doesn't need special hardware, but if the hardware maker did something horrible, like in this case, there is nothing you can do
[09:08] <Evil[1]> yeah... but "more fan" to solve the overheat problem isn't a solution I would bet my bucks on.
[09:09] <TheSheep> agreed, fixing the hardware is the solution
[09:13] <Evil[1]> sadly enough, I'm not a hardware manufactor :-P My Acer Aspire 5750G works like a charm, silent and cool... good cheap hardware...
[09:14] <TheSheep> good for you
[09:15] <Evil[1]> not that good. as I'd like to change to xubuntu...
[09:15] <TheSheep> I wish that laptop manufacturers would have a little more transparency about what's inside the laptop you are buying :/
[09:19] <SunStar> Evil[1], try 13.04
[09:35] <Evil[1]> hmmm... I have an optimus graphics chipset... so it seems like a good idea to disable the nVidia side of things in the bios?
[09:39] <TheSheep> or just install bumblebee
[09:42] <Evil[1]> I just need the nVidia side of things for Diablo 3 which is for windows only anyways...
[09:43] <TheSheep> bumblebee comes with bbswitch and power management for the nvidia card
[09:45] <Evil[1]> hmmm... have to read some docs then.
[09:46] <Evil[1]> interesting.
[09:48] <Evil[1]> anyway, thanks for the help... I'll give it a try this evening. will report in tomorrow with a "how it went" report :-D
[12:56] <SliceofLife> hi all
[12:56] <knome> hello
[12:57] <SliceofLife> hi, i have come on here looking for awee bit of help after faing to find the answer on google
[12:57] <Wizard> !ask
[12:58] <SliceofLife> i have this directory: /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  but i have no system sounds working, can anyone tell me how to get them working please?
[13:00] <SliceofLife> !Ask i have this directory: /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  but i have no system sounds working, can anyone tell me how to get them working please?
[13:01] <SliceofLife> !ask
[13:01] <SliceofLife> i have this directory: /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo  but i have no system sounds working, can anyone tell me how to get them working please?
[14:26] <PhoenixSTF> hey anyone installed the amd 13.1 driver?
[14:47] <niuniomartinez> Hi
[14:48] <niuniomartinez> I've just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and I've found few issues with OpenGL/Nvidia.
[14:57] <PhoenixSTF> we are all having issues with grafic cards lately
[14:58] <niuniomartinez> Oh...
[14:58] <FRO5T> not me, im radeon user xD
[14:58] <niuniomartinez> Anyway, I see "jockey" was deprecated.
[15:00] <niuniomartinez> So, should I have to wait?
[17:40] <n-iCe> 's back
[19:02] <Wizard> Hi.
[19:03] <Wizard> Is there any way to force Java apps to use GTK LAF on Xubuntu?
[19:03] <Wizard> Seems java reads some gnome-speciffic settings to detect theme and doesn't obey XFCE settings manager :(
[19:34] <stlu> hi
[19:34] <lderan> hi
[19:37] <stlu> I'm trying to find out if sshd gives out information about valid usernames
[19:37] <Pici> What do you mean?
[19:38] <stlu> I posted the info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2131725
[19:38] <stlu> I want to know if the attacker can see which usernames are real or not.
[19:38] <Pici> no
[19:39] <Pici> you may want to install fail2ban, which will block repeated failed password logins from the same ip address
[19:39] <stlu> Yes, I'm thinking of DenyHosts or fail2ban, this is an unexpected exercise for me today...
[19:40] <stlu> But the odd thing is, when I set PermitRootLogin to No, the attack changed.
[19:40] <stlu> It should not be able to know anything changed.
[19:41] <Pici> sshd doesn't give a different error message if the username is valid or invalid
[19:41] <stlu> freaky coincidence then
[19:42] <Pici> anyway, fail2ban is one of the first things I install if I have a public facing ssh server.
[19:45] <genii-around> Pici: I change 22 to something obscure
[19:46] <stlu> genii-around: as would I, usually.  this is a special case for me, where I wanted it on 22
[19:47] <stlu> I am planning to offer free shell accounts, in hopes of providing for educational use.
[19:48] <stlu> ...And perhaps to learn  a thing or two about security from the not-so-good users
[19:51] <genii-around> Might want to also look at honeypot
[19:57] <stlu> I've seen the project honeypot page, do you mean setting up my own?
[19:58] <SunStar> whats wrong with just running an old winme machine with iis?
[19:58] <SunStar> XD
[20:00] <stlu> I'm trying out DenyHosts first, since it seems like a simpler method
[20:32] <xubuntu903> Hi, I when I was set up my Xubuntu 12.04, I went to the site, "Xubuntu, a Classic Beauty" and followed the instructions to update first. I was sent to the Software section where it said that there was a bunch of updates to download, so I did, and I downloaded the new driver there too. Today, I am being told that there are 5 more updates to be had. Is it alright to keep up with updates? I mean, it's not going to hurt my setup right
[20:32] <xubuntu903> sorry  new here with linux
[20:33] <Myrtti> the updates aren't offered to make the computers run worse
[20:33] <Myrtti> that's not their intended effect
[20:33] <xubuntu903> hahaha  that's funny   o.k.
[20:33] <Pici> Those are regular security updates that you will continue to see.
[20:34] <xubuntu903> I just read somewhere to not update, maybe they said, not "upgrade". That would mean another clean download of Xubuntu 12.10 Right?
[20:36] <Myrtti> there's nothing to upgrade to yet
[20:36] <Myrtti> unless you push some buttons or switches that should be well hidden
[20:37] <xubuntu903> oh    what do you mean?  How about 12.10?
[20:37] <Pici> From 12.04 you can upgrade to 12.10
[20:38] <Myrtti> ah right, it was 12.04
[20:38] <xubuntu903> They say that 12.04 is better than 12.10. I also read that you have to save your files and a bunch of stuff before you want to upgrade to 12.10.
[20:38] <Pici> 'updates' usually just mean upgrading packages on the same release
[20:38] <Myrtti> sorry, misread
[20:38] <Pici> You should always preform a backup before any system upgrade.
[20:39] <xubuntu903> oh   good   that's what I want to know. So,  how long it 12.04 supported, and what exactly does "supported" mean/
[20:39] <Pici> Chances are, even if things go wrong, you'd still be able to recover your files, but it just makes things easier.
[20:39] <Pici> 12.04 is supported for 5 years, which means that security updates will be published for that amount of time.  It does not mean that you will packages updated with new features though.
[20:40] <xubuntu903> o.k.   that's good.. I think that's all of my questions for now. Thanks!
[20:49] <knome> Pici, 3 years for xubuntu though.
[21:26] <paulofr> algum brasileiro ou falar portugues ?
[21:32] <stlu> frick, I finished configuring DenyHosts and the attacker has gone elsewhere...
[21:34] <stlu> I wanted to see my new tool in action!
[22:08] <stlu> DenyHosts processed my existing log, denied my attacker already.  So I won't have to wait after all!
[23:28] <n-iCe> guys
[23:29] <n-iCe> how is it called when you move the mouse to a corner and all the windows go to a background so you can choose between them?
[23:29] <ochosi> expose
[23:29] <ochosi> the only way you can really get that feature is to use compiz in xubuntu
[23:29] <n-iCe> expose? can it be enabled on xubuntu 12.10?
[23:29] <n-iCe> oh
[23:29] <n-iCe> compiz is not installed by default with xbuntu right?
[23:29] <ochosi> or you can install skippy-xd, but it's not entirely stable and stuff
[23:30] <ochosi> no
[23:30] <n-iCe> then I don't want it
[23:30] <n-iCe> :p
[23:30] <ochosi> should be in the FAQ though i suppose
[23:30] <ochosi> compiz is a lot more resource hungry and surely not as stable as xfwm4
[23:30] <ochosi> so yeah, if you care about those things, then compiz isn't for you :p
[23:31] <n-iCe> I don't really care
[23:31] <n-iCe> But seems useful and fast to use
[23:31] <n-iCe> but I don't wanna start installing useless stuff
[23:34] <ochosi> personally i felt like adjusting my workflow to expose is harder than expected
[23:34] <ochosi> it's very mouse-focused
[23:35] <ochosi> and the keyboard ended up being faster/easier for me for many scenarios
[23:36] <ochosi> (afk)