[06:44] <sacarlson> i2c:  very little like as much as a pimple on my face that small.
[06:45] <rww> #ubuntu-offtopic likes coffee
[06:45] <ActionParsnip> tangentcollision: I just had coffee, waiting for it to kick in before work
[06:45]  * jellow forgot to unlock his sd card
[06:45] <ActionParsnip> [sleepy]: wassup?
[06:45] <[sleepy]> nm i got it
[06:45] <jellow> thats why it was not picked up by installer
[06:45] <ActionParsnip> Cool :)
[06:45] <tacomaster> omg i love you guys
[06:46] <[sleepy]> thanks though ill be in here more on i insall ubuntu
[06:46] <sacarlson> jellow: s**t happens
[06:46] <tacomaster> the stuff i should have seen i didnt like a dummy
[06:46] <tacomaster> but yall did
[06:46] <ActionParsnip> [sleepy]: s'why the channel exists ;)
[06:46] <tacomaster> all works now
[06:46] <[sleepy]> yup
[06:46] <[sleepy]> see ya
[06:47] <dsimon> tacomaster, yep, that's why pair programming works so well: we all have our blind spots, but the union of a group's blind spots is usually very small
[06:47] <dsimon> er, intersection
[06:49] <sacarlson> maybe since I can't create a persistant usb boot flash I should just try make an install usb flash boot.  do those work?  if so witch method?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> sacarlson:  the 2 are bascally the same. theres just a save file on the flash drive with the install
[06:51] <ActionParsnip> sacarlson: if you have a windows pc, pendrivelinux has an app which can put any iso on usb, it can even download and MD5 test it for you :)
[06:51] <sacarlson> Dr_Willis: well then I might as well not try I used portablelinux that failed and also the manual method shown in ubuntu both fail.
[06:51] <needhelp1> I have an issue, when i boot im not getting to see my grub menu. I was before
[06:51] <needhelp1> im using 10.04
[06:51] <dsimon> needhelp1, what do you see now instead of the grub menu?
[06:51] <ActionParsnip> needhelp1: hold shift at boot
[06:51] <dsimon> oh, right, that's probably it
[06:52] <needhelp1> nothing, it loads directly into the ubuntu login page, i have tried holding shift with no success
[06:52] <needhelp1> im going to try it again just to be sure
[06:52] <needhelp1> i'll be right back
[06:52] <ActionParsnip> needhelp1: you can now boot as you wish. You can edit /etc/default/grub to change the menu showing etc
[06:52] <sacarlson> ActionParsnip: I saw that and portablelinux looked to do the same in linux but failed.  I have windows in virtualbox so maybe I can do it from there.  I don't have a dual boot system anymore.
[06:53] <ActionParsnip> sacarlson: me neither, don't even virtualize :)
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> sacarlson:  ive used unetbootin, grub2 to boot an iso file. or some of the other tools at pendrivelinux web site. - most work  i HAVE had some pc's be quirky and not like some flashdrive/setups that Do work on other pc's... Mainly its older pc's with the issues.,
[06:53] <ActionParsnip> sacarlson: there's usb-creator-gtk which can make bootable usb sticks / sd cards
[06:53] <hiexpo> sup ActionParsnip  how are you
[06:53] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: really tired, you?
[06:54] <hiexpo> same
[06:54] <hiexpo> bout to pass out
[06:54] <sacarlson> ActionParsnip: well I may have to if that's all we have that does it.  I think I might try just the install boot usb method first.  But I guess a flash has a limited number of writes so I'll burn it out before I ever get it to work.
[06:54] <ActionParsnip> sacarlson: its not a really short life. Use ext2 and it will prolong it some
[06:55]  * hiexpo hiexpo passes out with lips on desk
[06:55] <sacarlson> ActionParsnip: yes usb-creator that's what I'll try first
[06:55] <sacarlson> ActionParsnip: ok I'll do that
[06:55] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: I've done 3x12 hour shifts. 1 more today and I'm off for 4 days :)
[06:56] <sacarlson> ActionParsnip: and we are sure that usb-creator-gtk works with ubuntu 10.04 version?  speak now or forever hold your peace
[06:57] <ActionParsnip> sacarlson: works great
[06:57] <needhelp1> ok holding shift did get me to my grub menu, though my boot is still extremely slow. I've noticed a lag in my boot for the last week. Not sure what could be causing this.
[06:57] <hiexpo> i like those kinda shifts though i use to do 4 10's 20 years ago had fri sa & sun off
[06:57] <ActionParsnip> If I drop off now my. Battery is dead. I'm not being ignorant
[06:57] <needhelp1> Also, how can i get my grub  menu to show by default
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  edit the /etc/default/grub
[06:57] <ActionParsnip> hiexpo: not bad, least you always got a weekend. My week is 8 days long so it moves
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  the grub2 wiki pages discuss all the settings for it. and theres a Great forum thread on it also
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[06:58] <hiexpo> ouch
[06:58] <rww> ActionParsnip, hiexpo: Can you move offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic or PM, please?
[06:58] <ActionParsnip> rww: understood
[06:58] <rww> thanks
[06:59] <hiexpo> sorry
[06:59] <ActionParsnip> Hopefully today will be dead and I can use the webchat to help in here :)
[07:01] <tangentcollision> why doesn't dd let me copy an iso directly to a USB drive argh
[07:01] <dzup> i need to play a .mov file, mplayer dosnt either vlc or gplayer, any sugg?
[07:01] <ActionParsnip> tangentcollision: you can do that with the netbook remix, just not the iso
[07:01] <koala_man> If you plug in a USB headset (or use a bluetooth one), does audio automatically switch over?
[07:02] <tangentcollision> ActionParsnip: it's not for an ubuntu or linux iso
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> dzup: do you have w32codecs installed (or w64codecs for 64bit)
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> tangentcollision: then usb-creator-gtk will let you transfer it
[07:02] <needhelp1> Dr_Willis, how do i open the grub file from terminal as root to edit
[07:03] <tangentcollision> where do I get that, ActionParsnip
[07:03] <ActionParsnip> tangentcollision: I believe it has options for nonLinux OSes
[07:03] <dzup> ActionParsnip: w32codecs is already the newest version.
[07:03] <ActionParsnip> tangentcollision: repos - use apt-get or software-centre
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  sudo EDITOR /path/to/file
[07:03] <ActionParsnip> dzup: and you have ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[07:04] <dzup> ActionParsnip: i believe no mov can be play here.
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> dzup:  run a video player from terminal (vlc whatever.mov) and look for any error essages
[07:04] <ActionParsnip> dzup: it can, you just need codecs
[07:04] <ActionParsnip> !codecs
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> dzup:  try to determine what codec tht thing is using
[07:04] <rebirth> i'm having trouble getting phun to run
[07:04] <Gimped> needhelp1: sudo gedit /etc/grub/[filename]
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> rebirth:  i ran that here the other day.  :) I dont recall any issues with it.
[07:04] <ActionParsnip> !info phun
[07:05] <Gimped> needhelp1: sudo gedit /boot/grub/[filename] - correction sorry
[07:05] <robertzaccour> I accidently deleted panel icons that aren't in the add to panel selection. how do i get them back?
[07:05] <ActionParsnip> Gimped: gksudo for gedit dude
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> I think i got phun from the getdeb or play deb repos
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel | robertzaccour
[07:05] <needhelp1> thanks
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> robertzaccour:  you refering to the mail and volume icons?
[07:05] <Gimped> ActionParsnip: my mistake =P i dont use sudo =/
[07:06] <needhelp1> the grub_default = 0 ... is this the default loading grub menu item or to default load grub menu?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  loads first item by default.
[07:06] <ActionParsnip> Gimped: you must if you want to use admin tasks.
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  grub starts counting at 0 in many cases
[07:06] <needhelp1> hum... how do i enable the grub menu to load and show by default .. without having to hold down shift
[07:06] <Gimped> needhelp1: you need to look for a menu.lst file
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  you change one line in /etc/default/grub if using grub2
[07:07] <rebirth> Dr_Willis: when i run file phun nothing happens
[07:07] <needhelp1> i thought grub2 has no menu.lst
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> needhelp1:  menu.lst is the Old grub..
[07:07] <ActionParsnip> needhelp1: there's an option in /etc/default/grub for grub2
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[07:07] <Gimped> ActionParsnip: my distro doesnt have sudo installed by default, so i never got into habit of using sudo; i just use su
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> good grub2 guide --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[07:08] <[sleepy]> sup again
[07:08] <maquis> i want to upgrade a package to the version that is available in maverick.  is it possible to do that for just one package?
[07:08] <ActionParsnip> Gimped: I see, in ubuntu you can use: sudo -i ,for the same effect
[07:08] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | maquis
[07:08] <Gimped> ActionParsnip: thanks, noted
[07:08] <ActionParsnip> maquis: search the ppas
[07:08] <rww> maquis: it depends on the package and its dependencies
[07:09] <maquis> rww: it's hplip
[07:09] <maquis> i'll search and see what i can find...
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> maquis: you can install the latest hplip using the script on the hplip site
[07:09] <maquis> ActionParsnip: the .run?
[07:09] <dzup> ActionParsnip: ubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[07:09] <ActionParsnip> maquis: indeed
[07:09] <rww> ubottu: pinning | maquis
[07:09] <maquis> ok... i'll just do that, then.
[07:09] <maquis> ActionParsnip: thanks a ton
[07:10] <maquis> rww: thanks for that too
[07:10] <rww> maquis: you'd use the process ubottu just detailed. I note that pinning from development releases isn't officially supported.
[07:10] <ActionParsnip> maquis: chmod +x it then run it as user in terminal (not sudo)
[07:10] <rww> maquis: and also that hplip seems to depend on a lot, so it may be a headache.
[07:10] <maquis> mk
[07:11] <ActionParsnip> dzup: when I get to work I'll find a how to, gnome-mplayer + vlc + restricted extras usually plays anything except realplayer (and who uses that!)
[07:11] <needhelp1> brb
[07:11] <Gimped> ActionParsnip: you can setup mplayer to play rm files =)
[07:12] <maquis> ActionParsnip: out of curiosity, why not with sudo?
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> rww: it can need a few -dev packages but they are simple to install and it tells you what is needed
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> maquis: not sure, the script will say you are running it wrong if you do
[07:12] <ActionParsnip> Gimped: true, just needs codecs ;)
[07:13] <rww> ActionParsnip: we're talking about different processes. clobbering the package manager with HP's scripts is a little too far for my tastes.
[07:13] <ActionParsnip> maquis: you will be asked for your pass when its needed
[07:13] <needhelp1> grub menu fixed, i still have a 25-30 second delay from grub to login window.. usually this is around 5-7 seconds. Im not sure why this has been affected or where to start to look
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> from hitting enter at gryb to the GDM login.. 20-30 sec is good..
[07:14] <dsimon> needhelp1, have you installed a lot of packages recently?
[07:14] <dsimon> maybe a whole bunch of daemons are starting now that didn't used to
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> i would be amazed at grub -> login in 5 sec.
[07:14] <eagles0513875> hey guys whats the channel for ubuntu x discussion
[07:14]  * eagles0513875 waves to Dr_Willis
[07:15] <needhelp1> dsimon, none, the only thing i have done different is I used a network auditing live cd on this pc. Only used it as a live cd though, no installation
[07:15] <cozziemoto> #ubuntu-x
[07:15] <[sleepy]> damn i just booted linux in a vm to test it and im loving it so far
[07:15] <Gimped> [sleepy]: welcome to linux =)
[07:15] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  you have been hooked  :)
[07:15] <[sleepy]> yes
[07:15] <[sleepy]> im planning to start developing android with it
[07:16] <dsimon> needhelp1, ah, is it booting to the CD?
[07:16] <[sleepy]> or at least try too lol
[07:16] <[sleepy]> yes for noe
[07:16] <eagles0513875> cozziemoto: thanks
[07:16] <cozziemoto> :)
[07:16] <[sleepy]> *now
[07:16] <needhelp1> ubuntu is installed to the hard drive.. oh wait.. i may of changed my boot loader to check the cd drive first
[07:16] <needhelp1> i bet thats it.. derr.. thanks dsimon
[07:16] <dsimon> heh, np
[07:16] <needhelp1> lol
[07:16] <dsimon> i'm also impressed by the 5sec load time
[07:16] <dsimon> wish my machine did that
[07:17] <needhelp1> its around 5-7 seconds.. its great
[07:17] <cozziemoto> guys just to give you laugh... i accidently typed  sudo rm -rf /usr/bin nameoffile
[07:17] <[sleepy]> im in love with open source after using android lol
[07:17] <jen_h> good luck - ubuntu rocks, but eclipse is piggy on it
[07:17] <dsimon> cozziemoto, fun times eh?
[07:17] <needhelp1> and.. im using the walmart emachines d525 ... very inexpensive laptop...
[07:17] <[sleepy]> o ok
[07:17] <cozziemoto> dsimon,  reinstalling now :)
[07:17] <roccity_> dsimon, 5 sec load time? what are you running on?
[07:18] <dsimon> roccity_, ask needhelp1, mine takes a good 30sec
[07:18] <[sleepy]> ubuntu is running really slow since im using it from a cd :(
[07:18] <Gimped> cozziemoto: thats not as bad as "sudo rm -rf /usr/bin" =)
[07:18] <dsimon> unless you're asking to determine why mine is so slow
[07:18] <roccity_> needhelp1, what are you running on?
[07:18] <needhelp1> emachines d525
[07:18] <roccity_> dsimon, oops sorry
[07:18] <dsimon> Gimped, it is _exactly_ as bad
[07:18] <dsimon> what with the space
[07:18] <cozziemoto> Gimped,  well essentially that is what the command did  rm -rf /usr/bin  nameof file instead of   /usr/bin/nameoffile
[07:19] <rww> can we stop echoing problematic commands to the channel, please?
[07:19] <jen_h> ouch
[07:19] <iluminator101> how do downgrade a specific program using a apt to the previous version?
[07:19] <cozziemoto> dsimon,  glad you picked that up lol
[07:19] <roccity_> needhelp1, can I ask what you spent on your machine?
[07:19] <Gimped> cozziemoto: ah sorry thought was typo
[07:19] <[sleepy]> its a pain now since the screen is so small
[07:19] <rww> iluminator101: sudo apt-get install packagename=versionnumber
[07:19] <cozziemoto> Gimped,  yes it was an unfortunate type  in real time in terminal lol
[07:19] <cozziemoto> typo
[07:20] <Gimped> cozziemoto: you can restore that btw
[07:20] <cozziemoto> Gimped,  well I decided a clean install was inorder anyway
[07:20] <Gimped> cozziemoto: as long as its not deleted from root trash you can...
[07:20] <needhelp1> roccity_, around 350 after U.S. Tax's
[07:20] <needhelp1> they are like 299.99 USD at walmart now
[07:20] <cozziemoto> Gimped,  wouldnt boot anyway
[07:20] <`RadioMan> dont they still have wimpy power supplies
[07:20] <roccity_> needhelp1, wish we had machines like that in NZ I miss the States
[07:21] <Gimped> cozziemoto: terminal ftw? =P
[07:21] <needhelp1> anyone here use backtrack?
[07:21] <Gimped> needhelp1: yes
[07:21]  * [sleepy] is extremely happy chrome is avaible folinux
[07:21] <dsimon> Gimped, rm doesn't move things to trash, it blows them away
[07:21] <needhelp1> roccity_, dsimon  ? backtrack users?
[07:21] <xangua> !backtrack | needhelp1
[07:21] <cozziemoto> dsimon, tell me about it :)
[07:21] <xangua> [sleepy]: better use chromium :)
[07:21] <dsimon> actually, to be more specific
[07:21] <roccity_> needhelp1, no straight slack on my desktop
[07:22] <dsimon> it doesn't blow away the file's contents
[07:22] <dsimon> just the inode table entries
[07:22] <dsimon> which is good if you want to later recover the contents of a specific rm'd file
[07:22] <cozziemoto> dsimon,  ah interesting  mmm
[07:22] <roccity_> needhelp1, is it a issue with the desktop or a particular app?
[07:23] <Gimped> dsimon: yes
[07:23] <needhelp1> roccity_, ?
[07:23] <roccity_> needhelp1, what do you need with backtrack
[07:23] <needhelp1> oh nothing.. i have just been toying with it
[07:24] <needhelp1> all the "air" terminal commands :)
[07:24] <[sleepy]> is photoshop availible bor linux?
[07:24] <roccity_> needhelp1, have tried it but have a very budget laptop and can't use some of the apps
[07:24] <needhelp1> [sleepy], try gimp
[07:24] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  no unless you install it via wine
[07:24] <[sleepy]> ok
[07:24] <jen_h> aliasing rm to rm -i might be a good idea in future
[07:24] <[sleepy]> because
[07:25] <[sleepy]> i theme for android and need something like that
[07:25] <jen_h> have you used the gimp?
[07:25] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  if you are meaning photoshop cs5  i dont think wine supports that yet  i could be wrong however
[07:25] <[sleepy]> ok thankyou
[07:25] <needhelp1> [sleepy], gimp is great.. i prefer it over photoshop
[07:25] <[sleepy]> ok ill try it out
[07:25] <jen_h> love the gimp
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> my wallet perfers Gimp to Photoshop also
[07:26] <[sleepy]> lol
[07:26] <jen_h> advice that gimp + adb emulator + eclipse will give your comp a workout. but good fun ;)
[07:26] <dsimon> i'm convinced that there's only about 3 or 4 people who buy each release of photoshop
[07:26] <[sleepy]> yeah
[07:26] <needhelp1> im not crazy about using wine.. something about using applications specifically for windows/mac on linux erks me
[07:26] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  if you are into graphics applications that you have used on windows there are great alternatives for linux
[07:26] <dsimon> that's why it has to be so expensive, because the cost is amortized over all the people who pirate it
[07:26] <jen_h> spend too much time futzing with dependencies with wine
[07:26] <dsimon> if photoshop could figure out which of those 3 or 4 people keep uploading it to bittorrent networks, they'd nip that problem in the bud :-)
[07:26] <jen_h> but there are some things that run nicely out of the box
[07:27] <jen_h> tried to get itunes running under wine, finally gave up
[07:27] <[sleepy]> how long will it take me to master linux? im not bad with computers
[07:27] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  the more you work with it the more you get to know it
[07:27] <[sleepy]> ok
[07:27] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  depends on how deeply involved you want to get
[07:27] <Gimped> [sleepy]: if you can write in DOS you should be pretty quick to pickup, its all same unix language
[07:27] <needhelp1> is #ubuntu down?
[07:28] <xangua> needhelp1: you are in #ubuntu ...
[07:28] <cozziemoto> lol
[07:28] <[sleepy]> so is it hard to partition my drive?
[07:28] <`RadioMan> [sleepy]-     try this,     http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3898906_4/50-Open-Source-Replacements-for-Really-Expensive-Software.htm
[07:28] <needhelp1> i was just pushed into unregged twice
[07:28] <rww> needhelp1: you need to be identified with nickserv to get to #ubuntu itself right now
[07:28] <needhelp1> i am reged lol
[07:28] <[sleepy]> RadioMan thanks
[07:28] <`RadioMan> k
[07:28] <cozziemoto> [sleepy],  if you are going toinstall onto hard drive... with live cd...there is a partioning  dialog that is easily understood
[07:28] <rww> needhelp1: not the first two times you tried joining, you weren't.
[07:29] <jen_h> [sleepy] you've probably already passed this point, but i always advise beginners to use wubi installer
[07:29] <[sleepy]> ok
[07:29] <cozziemoto> [sleepy], if you are going to install onto a separate hard drive then it is even simpler
[07:29] <needhelp1> rww, good to know, thanks for the info :)
[07:29] <[sleepy]> jen_h does it run at the same speed of a partitoned drive?
[07:29] <needhelp1> roccity_, have you ever used the karma tool
[07:29] <jen_h> not sure, i've run it on a bunch of machines with no issue
[07:29] <jen_h> it also retains your windows partition
[07:30] <[sleepy]> ok ill try that first
[07:30] <jen_h> so you can access anything on windows from linux pretty simply
[07:30] <needhelp1> jen_h, yes, very easy
[07:30] <jen_h> it's almost one-click, which blows my mind
[07:30] <needhelp1> [sleepy], you havent installed linux yet? are you on a live cd+
[07:30] <needhelp1> ?
[07:30] <roccity_> needhelp1, nah sorry bro
[07:30] <Jordan_U> jen_h: Things have come a long way in the past few years :)
[07:30] <Connor1> Anyone here use Kismet?
[07:31] <[sleepy]> yes virtual machine
[07:31] <needhelp1> con-man, i do
[07:31] <Connor1> Kismet will not run.
[07:31] <jen_h> Jordan_U: heck yeah. ;)
[07:31] <needhelp1> will not load or will not scan?
[07:31] <Connor1> hold on
[07:31] <needhelp1> [sleepy], what version of windows you using?
[07:31] <Connor1> http://fpaste.org/lhop/
[07:32] <Connor1> needhelp1 look there.
[07:32] <[sleepy]> im on a mac now but is going to install on windows
[07:32] <needhelp1> will kismet load?
[07:32] <Connor1> needhelp1 nope
[07:32] <Connor1> That's what happens when I type kismet
[07:33] <jen_h> totally give wubi a try; you're going to be spending enough time cursing @ eclipse, might as well save time where you can :)
[07:33] <Connor1> Wubi is garbage
[07:33] <[sleepy]> why?
[07:33] <Connor1> Because it's terrible
[07:33] <jen_h> yeah, but for a beginner that just wants to get a dev environment up and running, what's the problem?
[07:33] <needhelp1> Connor1, are you using fedora?
[07:33] <Connor1> Virtualmachine
[07:33] <Connor1> needhelp1 Ubuntu 10
[07:33] <Connor1> Virtual machine*
[07:33] <Connor1> jen_h partioning is less headaches :/
[07:34] <needhelp1> your using a virtual machine for ubuntu ? Connor1
[07:34] <jen_h> it's not a vm
[07:34] <Gimped> Connor1: is this your first time running kismet on that machine?
[07:34] <Connor1> needhelp1 it's on my laptop
[07:34] <jen_h> oh, he's running a vm
[07:34] <Connor1> Gimped yers.
[07:34] <Connor1> Yes8
[07:34] <Connor1> Yes*
[07:34] <Connor1> I haven't set it up
[07:34] <FloodBot3> Connor1: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:34] <Connor1> jen_h this is my windows computer
[07:34] <Connor1> My laptop is on my lap.
[07:34] <Gimped> Connor1: you have to setup kismet first
[07:34] <Connor1> Gimped any ideas as to where kismet.conf is saved?
[07:34] <needhelp1> Connor1, you should download backtrack and use it as a live cd
[07:35] <Connor1> My wireless card isn't supported by it.
[07:35] <abhinav> Connor1: /etc/kismet
[07:35] <Connor1> Thank you
[07:35] <needhelp1> Connor1, have you tried bt4?
[07:35] <Connor1> Yes
[07:35] <jen_h> my mobile broadband doesn't work on bt4
[07:35]  * [sleepy] thinks he should stop his android dev career cuz theres too many great devs to compete with
[07:35] <needhelp1> that was fast [sleepy]  lol
[07:36] <Connor1> Okay Gimped I'm at the kismet.conf.
[07:36] <[sleepy]> yeah and i dint have the time
[07:36] <iluminator101> vlc goes black after a while?
[07:36] <[sleepy]>  i know alot of devs and will just make themes for there roms lol
[07:37] <dsimon> alternately you could try to develop something nobody else is working on
[07:37] <Gimped> Connor1: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1067390.html <<< see if that helps
[07:37] <dsimon> there are lots of great devs in the world, but ideaspace is even larger
[07:38] <needhelp1> just dont conjure up another programming language...
[07:38] <needhelp1> bleh
[07:39] <needhelp1> anyone go to defcon by chance ?
[07:39] <jen_h> yah
[07:40] <needhelp1> did they give out the android "app" ;) on cd... i saw it was released
[07:40] <needhelp1> just cant find it online
[07:40] <rww> ubottu: ot
[07:40] <Connor1> Thanks Gimped
[07:40] <jen_h> i never got the cd - someone put the cd online somewhere, though
[07:40] <Connor1> Reading now
[07:41] <jen_h> googlable, careful of links :D
[07:41] <needhelp1> lol
[07:41] <jen_h> http://contagiodump.blogspot.com/2010/08/trojan-sms-for-android-courtesy-of.html
[07:41] <needhelp1> you got a droid?
[07:41] <[sleepy]> i think im going to install gentoo
[07:41] <jen_h> <note that these are malware samples; don't just d/l>
[07:41] <[sleepy]> yes
[07:42] <[sleepy]> droid !
[07:42] <needhelp1> rooted?
[07:42] <[sleepy]> 1
[07:42] <[sleepy]> yes
[07:42] <FloodBot3> [sleepy]: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:42] <rww> needhelp1, jen_h, [sleepy]: Can you move the offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, please?
[07:42] <[sleepy]> sorry bot
[07:42] <[sleepy]> ok
[07:43] <nIRV> anyone has a minute to guide me through setting up a startup script to launch application under a specific user (i.e. not root)
[07:43] <[sleepy]> is it hard to root linux?
[07:44] <jen_h> su -c "/path/to/command $options" user
[07:44] <jen_h> you typically start with root, but that will run as user; do ps -efwww |grep user to verify
[07:45] <nIRV> k
[07:45] <jen_h> check out the scripts that exist in /etc/init.d for samples
[07:45] <fancybit> hello
[07:46] <nIRV> jen_h, did have a look at this but had failed to catch the su -c
[07:46] <fancybit> where should I ask some question about apache? #apache seems not the correct channel
[07:46] <jen_h> try httpd
[07:46] <fancybit> 3q
[07:46] <jen_h> #httpd
[07:46] <nIRV> (was looking at apache2 as I'm trying to get sphinxsearch to launch at startup under www-data user, not root)
[07:48] <nIRV> jen, how would you do it using the start-stop-daemon?
[07:48] <glick> after installing phppgadmin where is the configuration file?
[07:48] <nIRV> start-stop-daemon --start --exec ${su -c "/blah/blah $opt" user} ?
[07:51] <jen_h> what version of apache2 are you running? should be set to run as www-data by default in most stock installs. www-data is set in apache2ctl, i believe
[07:53] <fourcolors> hey I want a battery health application for ubuntu is there one?
[07:53] <dsimon> battery health? as in measuring the change in maximum voltage?
[07:54] <kleef0rdz> gnome-power-manager perhaps?
[07:54] <fourcolors> like if you need a new battery or not
[07:54] <dsimon> fourcolors, you can get some useful information by right-clicking the battery icon and selecting "power history"
[07:55] <dsimon> for determining if you need a new battery, though, i'd just use your own judgement
[07:55] <rww> can't right-click battery icon in default 10.04
[07:55] <dsimon> ah, really?
[07:55] <rww> yeah, indicators don't have right-click
[07:55] <rww> you left-click and then click one of the options that comes up; i forget which
[07:55] <pietime> msg ubottu !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:55] <pietime> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:55] <pietime> thanks ubottu
[07:56] <pietime> :P
[07:56] <rww> !botsnack
[08:03] <fross> i, I had some slow wifi problems last night which i fixed with installig a perticulare driver. Today when i left the house i had a file downloading to my server at 1.5mbps now I got home and it was going at 1-5 kbps. i cant seem to figure out why i lost my speed again. any ideas?
[08:07] <abhinav_singh> is there any certification for ubuntu as readhat linux?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I seem to recall mention of that once..
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> !certify
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training/course-descriptions/certified-professional
[08:08] <pietime> !coffee
[08:08] <rww> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training
[08:08] <raiffa> unfortunately ubuntu certs are worthless
[08:08] <dsimon> which can be said of certs in general...
[08:08] <raiffa> rhce's are in demand
[08:09] <pietime> rhce?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> I got a RHCE book once.. (bargin bin) i could allready answer/do 90% of the questions...
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> other 10% was on things i would never want :) heh.
[08:10] <pietime> isnt apache certification in demand?
[08:10] <pietime> dont know what im talking about really :)
[08:11] <fross> im working on the CEH cert right now
[08:11] <pietime> but i know that has to do with 65% of servers on the net
[08:11] <ectospasm> pietime: define "servers". Oh, you mean web servers...
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> it all boils down to resume padding :)
[08:12] <fross> yep
[08:12] <fross> thats what they are really there for
[08:13] <abhinav_singh> but i think doing any linux certification is not good....coz we have father of all linuxs and unix "Solaris"
[08:13] <dsimon> if the company you want to apply to really places that much value on having an RHCE or what-have-you... there's a good chance you don't really want to work there
[08:13] <pietime> why do you say that dsimon
[08:14] <ectospasm> abhinav_singh: Solaris is NOT the Father of UNIX
[08:14] <pietime> i think by father he means "BIG DADDY"
[08:14] <abhinav_singh> yup pietime: you are aright...you got me in right way
[08:15] <ectospasm> it may be the most advanced, but it's not open anymore
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> and in a few years. who knows where solaris may be...
[08:15] <abhinav_singh> ectospasm:yes because of oracle....they have also killed openSolaris development project
[08:15] <ectospasm> Oracle isn't killing it, but it's also not open.
[08:16] <abhinav_singh> ectospasm
[08:16] <ectospasm> ...which is essentially killing the OpenSolaris community
[08:16] <rww> !ot
[08:16] <ectospasm> yeah, I was thinking we were getting OT
[08:17] <ectospasm> But then again I haven't seen a support question since I joined this channel less than ten minutes ago (-;
[08:17] <fross> i, I had some slow wifi problems last night which i fixed with installig a perticulare driver. Today when i left the house i had a file downloading to my server at 1.5mbps now I got home and it was going at 1-5 kbps. i cant seem to figure out why i lost my speed again. any ideas?
[08:17] <fross> ^
[08:17] <rww> ectospasm: #ubuntu-offtopic isn't busy either, and is a better place for it ;P
[08:18] <dsimon> fross, i'd try and isolate the issue to make sure it's related to the driver
[08:18] <pietime> I'm having some problems with movie player and GNOME Mplayer hickuping and stopping play of music and video files
[08:18] <dsimon> i.e. while the download is still running, try power cycling the wireless AP
[08:18] <pietime> this is on Lubuntu
[08:18] <dsimon> and also your uplink modem, if you have access to it
[08:18] <pietime> it didnt happen on Ubuntu
[08:18] <ectospasm> rww: yes, but I didn't start it (-; OK, I'll shut up.
[08:19] <ectospasm> fross: where are you downloading the file from?
[08:19] <fross> a 100mb seedbox
[08:20] <pietime> what does Ubuntu have that Lubuntu doesnt that would cause media files to hicup while playing?
[08:20] <ectospasm> I don't know what that means
[08:21] <pietime> who me?
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  try vlc in both and see if its also affected
[08:21] <pietime> ok
[08:22] <ectospasm> fross: I don't know what "a 100mb seedbox" means
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if it could be  a hard drive splinnign down or some other service kicking in.. but its hard to tell
[08:22] <coz_> ok reinstalled and back as myself :)
[08:23] <fross> ectospasm: its a server on a 100mb connection. on my other computers here I can max out my downstream from it
[08:23] <ectospasm> fross: do you have other hosts on the WLAN that download from that OK?
[08:24] <fross> ectospasm: yes, the laptop i am on now just tested it and had 1.6mb down from it
[08:24] <ectospasm> fross: trying to isolate it from your wireless router/AP and your problem host
[08:25] <ectospasm> fross: have you killed any background processes which may be consuming bandwidth?  Check "ps -ef" or "netstat -altp" (both as root) for details
[08:25] <pietime> Dr_Willis, yes it's doing it with vlc as well
[08:26] <ectospasm> pietime: check top to be sure there's nothing consuming inordinate amounts of CPU and RAM
[08:26] <pietime> top?
[08:26] <ectospasm> pietime: top is a terminal application, should be installed by default.  "man top" for details
[08:28] <pietime> no nothings taking up a lot of memory
[08:28] <gary_inNYC> pietime: try using x11 (no xv) with your player
[08:28] <pietime> besides this is lubuntu
[08:28] <lboken> hi all just wondering  im reinstalling ubutun (10.04) and i have 2 hd in my pc i wondered how much should i give for the swap filesystem, and if it should be put only on the first hd or on the  2nd work as well or maybe even put some swap on both hd?
[08:28] <fross> great, ran update on my htpc and now my audio is no recognized
[08:28] <pietime> i checked top and system monitor
[08:29] <rww> lboken: 1) how much RAM do you have? 2) do you want to be able to hibernate to disk?
[08:29] <lboken> i have 2 meg of ram
[08:29] <lboken> i wan to use the pc as a server (so shouldnt much hebernate
[08:29] <rww> 2 GB, perhaps?
[08:29] <ectospasm> lboken: old rule of thumb was have swap be twice as large as RAM
[08:29] <lboken> ok
[08:30] <ectospasm> more swap wouldn't hurt
[08:30] <rww> I'd go with 2GB to 4GB, and put it all on the same disk; doesn't matter which one
[08:30] <pietime> ive never, ever, in years seen ubuntu use up 4 gigs of swap space
[08:30] <lboken> ok  thanks rww
[08:30] <well_laid_lawn> depends if you hibernate or not
[08:30] <ectospasm> pietime: given enough RAM, I've never seen it use *any*
[08:31] <pietime> what does Ubuntu have that Lubuntu doesnt that would cause media files to hicup while playing? It does it in movieplayer, GNOMEmplayer and VLC.
[08:32] <well_laid_lawn> I never hibernate but I set a swap partition of 512mb 'cause some apps seem to require it
[08:32] <akrill> anyone here good with building ubuntu-based EBS-backed AMIs?
[08:33] <pietime> can anyone tell me how to get my laptop's multimedia buttons working on VLC?
[08:35] <ectospasm> pietime: perhaps you should start those programs, in --verbose or --debug mode, and pastebin the results
[08:35] <dsimon> pietime, i'm also interested in what top says
[08:35] <dsimon> re: cpu usage
[08:36] <ectospasm> pietime: also note that top sorts by CPU usage, you'll need to hit '>' to sort by memory usage.  Hit '<' to move back
[08:36] <rottenese> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could direct me to where I could find an unsupported microdia webcam driver for ubuntu.
[08:39] <akrill> sigh.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> rottenese:  its possible it has no support at all. Theres a small set of people that seem tobe responsible for all webcam drivers.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> !webcam
[08:39] <akrill> anyway, anyone around with experience building ubuntu-based EBS-backed AMIs?
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> rottenese:  you may want to test out the 10.10 release tahts in testing to see if it works in there.
[08:39] <project2501a> good morning
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> rottenese:  what yave you done to try the webcam yet?
[08:40] <rww> akrill: #ubuntu-server might know more about it. Amazon cloud computing stuff (which I think that is?) doesn't tend to get much help here, it's too specialized.
[08:40] <project2501a> i am trying to install the 9.10 ATI catalyst drivers for Lucid, with much fail.
[08:40] <akrill> rww: okiedoke. thanks!
[08:40] <bobthemi1kman> I'm currently at my home (Win7). In order to connect to my research computer (ubuntu), I have to SSH into my university's supercomputer (linux) and then from there SSH into my research computer. Is there any easy way to transfer files through this SSH proxy?
[08:40] <project2501a> bobthemi1kman: yes
[08:41] <project2501a> man scp
[08:41] <project2501a> man sshfs
[08:41] <project2501a> man wincp
[08:41] <bobthemi1kman> scp can work through SSH proxies?
[08:41] <project2501a> man winscp
[08:41] <project2501a> yes
[08:41] <rww> project2501a: It won't work. Different versions of Ubuntu use different versions of xorg, and xorg drivers from one version can't be used with another.
[08:41] <bobthemi1kman> Okay, I'll go look into it.
[08:41] <project2501a> rww: what to do?
[08:41] <project2501a> bobthemi1kman: read the relevant chapter on "the definitive guide to ssh" by o'reilly and associates
[08:42] <rww> project2501a: I assume that 10.04's fglrx isn't an option due to hardware support or something?
[08:42] <project2501a> rww: i tried to. it doesn't give 3D acceleration.
[08:42] <probonono> I'm booting Ubuntu in a VirtualBox guest and need to reset forgotten passwords. After mashing the Esc key during bootup I end up at a console as root but despite the single disk partition showing as mounted r/w, any attempt to write to disk faults as being r/o. What do I need to do to correct it?
[08:42] <project2501a> probonono: man mount
[08:42] <project2501a> option remount
[08:43] <Tempus_> does anyone know a channel for programming
[08:43] <project2501a> Tempus_: which language?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> Tempus_:  thats a broad topic. :) perhaps #programming
[08:43] <project2501a> #rtfm :>
[08:43] <rww> project2501a: AMD dropped support for a bunch of cards in the last few releases. Since fglrx is closed-source, we can't provide a fix for that. It sucks, but the basic answer is use the free drivers.
[08:43] <Tempus_> project2501a: im trying to learn and was hoping for a beginner room
[08:43] <project2501a> ....
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> Tempus_:  learn what language?
[08:44] <Tempus_> Dr_Willis: C or Java
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> If you cant decide on what programing language to learn first... well.. I would suggest Python.
[08:44] <project2501a> Tempus_: google "structure and implementation of computer programs". it is a free book by MIT opencourceware
[08:44] <probonono> project2501a, thanks, that worked. Any clue as to why the mount is listed as r/w by mount(1) if it isn't?
[08:45] <project2501a> so you will ream the manual first
[08:45] <project2501a> so you will read the manual first
[08:45] <Tempus_> project2501a:does that cover 1 type of languange or the basic foundations and principles of all languages?
[08:45] <project2501a> Tempus_: google "structure and implementation of computer programs". it is a free book by MIT opencourceware. understand what a program is first. get to know the machine. the language will not matter afterwords.
[08:46] <Tempus_> Dr_Willis: is python easy....as a first language?
[08:46] <project2501a> Tempus_: it gives you clues how to think
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> Tempus_:  its designed to be easy to learn for beginners.. and powerfull enough that you wont outgrow it very fast. :)
[08:46] <project2501a> Tempus_: do not worry if the language easy or difficult.
[08:46] <project2501a> Dr_Willis: wtf
[08:46] <project2501a> ...
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> hmm?
[08:47] <Tempus_> project2501a:  ok i will check MIT's site
[08:47] <darth_tux71> ok in sabayon but linux is linux I cant mount my EHDD any ideas in cli?
[08:47] <project2501a> it is designed to be easy to learn for beginners? citation, please?
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> project2501a:  the python tutorial/books ive found on the web.
[08:47] <smw> !netbook
[08:47] <dsimon> project2501a, certainly easier than C, arguably somewhat easier than Java
[08:47] <project2501a> *facepalm*
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> its designed tobe very structured to make it easier tolearn and debug. or somthing like that the books always seem to say at the start.
[08:48] <alex88_> hi guys, i've a problem on my server, i'm trying to connect via ssh and it says "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host", the last thing that can matter is that i've created keys for both ssh on server and client
[08:48] <alex88_> but i haven't changed the sshd config
[08:48] <project2501a> please raise your hand if you have a CS in computer science.
[08:48] <sinurge> rww, thanks
[08:48] <project2501a> BS, even
[08:48] <rww> sinurge: no problem
[08:48] <project2501a> never mind.
[08:48] <Tempus_> Looking for somewhere or someone who can explain the basics like when spaces are needed and what things like    [     ] do??
[08:48] <project2501a> i am in #ubuntu. it's useless to argue here.
[08:48] <project2501a> later
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> alex88_: Sure you got the perms correct?
[08:48] <sinurge> project2501a, is there something that only a cs or bs cn solve ?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> Tempus_:  You mean in 'regular expressions' ? thats a whold nother book/language :) in many ways.
[08:48] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: i've just created the keys and disconnected..nothing else..
[08:49] <dsimon> sinurge, storming off in a huff, it seems
[08:49] <smw> is there a netbook chatroom?
[08:49] <pixelmischief> need help with raw scsi commands to cdburner in 10.04
[08:49] <sinurge> dsimon, i guess
[08:49] <rww> smw: not that I know of
[08:49] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: but, also, trying to get my site give a 503 temporany unavailable
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> Tempus_:  regular expressions are one of those things that you learn about and then cant live without. :)
[08:49] <darth_tux71> sigh guess not
[08:50] <KB1JWQ> alex88_: Okay, so you broke the box. :-)
[08:50] <dsimon> anyways, Tempus_ i'd recommend you start here: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/introduction.html
[08:50] <smw> rww, so I guess I will ask here :-)
[08:50] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: O.o
[08:50] <dsimon> it'll guide you through all the simple syntax and concepts, and eventually introduce you to more structured programming
[08:50] <KB1JWQ> alex88_: Who hosts it?
[08:50] <tokenmathguy> darth_tux71: mount /dev/sdxN /your/mount/point
[08:50] <sinurge> ok asking again, will installing a seperate home partition help me to share a common /home 10.04 and 10.10 ?
[08:50] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: well..what you mean? i've done nothing special.. btw, keyweb
[08:50] <rww> darth_tux71: considering that this is an Ubuntu channel, and thus Sabayon is offtopic for it... try #sabayon or something?
[08:50] <KB1JWQ> alex88_: If the box is inaccessible call 'em.
[08:50] <Tempus_> dsimon: ok will bookmark and save that ty ....also going to google that book project was refering to
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> sinurge:  you can do that. that does make it a little easier.
[08:50] <tangentcollision> okay, I know it's not technically supported, but I need some help getting the latest ISO written to a USB drive and run correctly
[08:50] <alex88_> i'm going to restart it now..
[08:51] <alex88_> to check if something changes
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> sinurge:  how many users are there going to be?
[08:51] <tangentcollision> all I have as an OS is ubuntu 7.1
[08:51] <darth_tux71> all the same kernel so w/e and that is a problem i have no idea what the mount point is
[08:51] <tangentcollision> oh, and it's a liveCD
[08:51] <pixelmischief> I need help with raw scsi commands to cdburner in 10.04
[08:51] <psycho_oreos> sinurge, it may
[08:51] <rww> darth_tux71: It doesn't matter what kernel they use. It's not Ubuntu, it isn't supported here.
[08:51] <Tempus_> KB1JWQ: .....its been awhile since I took my tech no code...please send me a pm so we can discuss
[08:51] <smw> When using ubuntu netbook edition, I some times come across a window where it refuses to be resized and goes of the bottom of the screen. When using the nebook edition interface, it is impossible to move the window so it is over the bar at the top of the screen. Is there a way to do it?
[08:51] <sinurge> Dr_Willis, its only me but shifting across 2 10.04/10 alpha s a pain to rboot and all
[08:51] <rww> sinurge: yes, but that's not necessarily a good idea. Different versions of programs can have incompatible preferences, so switching back and forth between them can cause weird issues.
[08:51] <tokenmathguy> darth_tux71: you just make your own mount point, typically in the /mnt directory
[08:52] <tokenmathguy> mkdir /mnt/adhoc
[08:52] <rww> sinurge: plus, 10.10 is unstable. unstable things occasionally decide to eat data.
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> darth_tux71: A distro is much more than a kernel. :-)  There's an entire userland to consider.
[08:52] <KB1JWQ> !10.10
[08:52] <chowder> I'm on 10.04, 64 bit and I can't get flash to work. I've installed the flashplugin-installer package but I still can't watch youtube videos or do anything with flash
[08:52] <darth_tux71> wow captain anal im in here because I have lots of knowledge of debian just have an odd problem that is linux related
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> sinurge:  then it should work.. I have had issues in the past with gnome settings smetimes not working properly when changing gnome versions.  You could share the same home but have 2 users to keep them a bit more seperated
[08:52] <tokenmathguy> darth_tux71: then find out what your device is
[08:52] <sinurge> rww, i guess u would be really close
[08:52] <chowder> can anyone offer help with getting flash (even if its via gnash) working on a 64 bit Ubuntu install?
[08:53] <darth_tux71> i can see it and there is an icon in 2 places just wont let me mount it for some reason i cant imagine i need to be root that is silly
[08:53] <sinurge> Dr_Willis, oh yea that could be a good idea having a common home but diff ~user partitions
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> chowder:  i just install it via the package manager and it works..
[08:53] <ThomasB2k> i can see why a debian person would come to ubuntu support
[08:53] <ThomasB2k> honestly
[08:53] <tokenmathguy> darth_tux71: something like /dev/sdxN where x is your device letter and N is your partition number
[08:53] <darth_tux71> 500 GB Hard Disk: My Passport
[08:53] <tangentcollision> all I have as an OS is ubuntu 7.1 livecd
[08:53] <ThomasB2k> it doesn't hurt to help
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> sinurge:  i ment different user names. :)  /home/bob10.04 and /home/bob/10.10
[08:53] <KB1JWQ> darth_tux71: #debian is staffed. :-)
[08:53] <darth_tux71> lol KB1JWQ
[08:54] <darth_tux71> i was in ubuntu 12 hours ago until KDE blarfed it
[08:54] <pixelmischief> How do I get help?  I've asked my question a couple of times but no answer.  Is there a protocol I am missing?
[08:54] <tangentcollision> okay, I know it's not technically supported, but I need some help getting the latest ISO written to a USB drive and run correctly, all I have is ubuntu 7.1 livecd
[08:54] <rww> darth_tux71: then your 12-hour ago self can get support help here.
[08:54] <darth_tux71> makes one miss auto mount
[08:54] <KB1JWQ> pixelmischief: Yeah, there is.
[08:54] <darth_tux71> rww: please
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> pixelmischief:  it could be no one knwos the answer..  Or are busy with other questions
[08:54] <rww> darth_tux71: #debian doesn't support Ubuntu, #ubuntu doesn't support random other distros, random other distros' channels don't support Ubuntu or Debian.
[08:54] <KB1JWQ> pixelmischief: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a great starting point if you can get past the tone.
[08:54] <pixelmischief> Ahhh.  Patience.  OK
[08:54] <tangentcollision> pixelmischief: or that your question is vague
[08:54] <alex88_> pixelmischief: maybe no one knows the answer
[08:55] <KB1JWQ> I've yet to see pixelmischief's actual question.
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> pixelmischief:  or all of the above :)
[08:55] <sinurge> Dr_Willis, that was the idea, guess didnt put it across properly
[08:55] <pixelmischief> =)  OK.
[08:55] <tangentcollision> all I have as an OS is ubuntu 7.1 livecd
[08:55] <darth_tux71> rww: and that is the problem with Linux the dist wars no one wants to just be open to the OS it has to be this or that dist or you're sol
[08:55] <KB1JWQ> All I see is yammering baout "needing help with raw scsi commands to a burner." That's not a question.
[08:55] <tangentcollision> okay, I know it's not technically supported, but I need some help getting the latest ISO written to a USB drive and run correctly, all I have is ubuntu 7.1 livecd < anyone please?
[08:55] <darth_tux71> tangentcollision: you can DL and burn the newest its not too hard
[08:55] <tangentcollision> live CD
[08:55] <rww> darth_tux71: It's not a matter of distro wars, it's a matter of there being subtle differences between different distributions that confuse support help.
[08:55] <tangentcollision> no burny
[08:55] <sinurge> darth_tux71, i disagree the wide arrary means wider choice, yo have specific support to what yo want to have
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  no 'unetbootin' for 7.1 eh?
[08:56] <tangentcollision> nope
[08:56] <tangentcollision> or it would be straight to W7 for me
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  no spare windows machines about either?
[08:56] <chowder> Dr_Willis: as I stated above, I already did that and it doesn't wrok
[08:56] <darth_tux71> i was just looking for some simple non-dist specific cli help
[08:56] <tangentcollision> this IS my windows machine
[08:56] <chowder> *work
[08:56] <rww> darth_tux71: then go to your distribution channel or ##linux. Not here.
[08:56] <tangentcollision> my mobo died mid-boot and stuff got borked
[08:56] <smw> darth_tux71, ask in #linux. They appear to not care what distro you are running. Even better, ask in #yourdistro
[08:56] <darth_tux71> rww: kiss my ass ill go where I want
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  ewww..
[08:56] <KB1JWQ> darth_tux71: Be civil or be removed.
[08:57] <ThomasB2k> uh oh
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  well you can make your own bootable flash drive if you know the proper syslinux commands and how to configure it.. i did it ages ago..
[08:57] <tangentcollision> darth_tux71: move from here
[08:57] <darth_tux71> KB1JWQ: tell rww to stop badgering me
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  you extract the iso files to the flash. and install/configure syslinux.
[08:57] <KB1JWQ> !ot
[08:57] <smw> !ops | darth_tux71
[08:57] <darth_tux71> i can be a nice asset here
[08:57] <tangentcollision> Dr_Willis: shezam
[08:57] <tangentcollision> that sounds like fun
[08:57] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: now it says that i can't ssh, connection refused..maybe sshd not started..
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  thats all unetbootin or the other tools do actually.
[08:57] <tangentcollision> better than what I'm doing right now
[08:58] <KB1JWQ> alex88_: Likely.
[08:58] <tangentcollision> oh is it now?
[08:58] <tangentcollision> hmm
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  OR figure out a way to put grub2 on the flash and make it boot the iso file
[08:58] <tangentcollision> !ding
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  yep. syslinux, grub, or grub2..
[08:58] <tangentcollision> the witch is gone
[08:58] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: it happens sometimes, because it not find the ip to bind on and it stops..i've tried to add a sleep in the pre-start script but it seems that not work as expected
[08:59] <tangentcollision> syslinux is where it's looking like going things mahaps the question being ardent fishermen?
[08:59] <elky> darth_tux71, you're not a nice asset if you're using up personhours on non-ubuntu things.
[08:59] <ibrahim-kasem> guys can you help me with gnome-ppp please ?
[08:59] <KB1JWQ> alex88_: With all due respect, what the heck are you doing? :-)
[08:59] <smw> !ask | ibrahim-kasem
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  the annoying thing about syslinux, grub, and grub2- are the configs are all very similer.. but differnt. :) easy to get confused.
[08:59] <darth_tux71> ok so if I am not in ubuntu that means all the time I spent in it and debian is invalid? I just forget it all wow how stupid of a comment is that?
[08:59] <ibrahim-kasem> smw I have asked !
[09:00] <alex88_> KB1JWQ: i've restarted :)
[09:00] <darth_tux71> i had a simple cli question that was all
[09:00] <smw> ibrahim-kasem, in that case, apparently no one knows the answer to your question right now
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  you could copy the files from the iso to the flash drive. install syslinux to the flash. then i THINK copy/rename/edit the sysisoconfig file for syslinux to use.
[09:00] <KB1JWQ> darth_tux71: Yet instead of asking it you're whining.  ##linux works.
[09:00] <ibrahim-kasem> Gnome-ppp always saying modem not responding
[09:00] <sinurge> i got lost to what the question was
[09:01] <pixelmischief> When I try to read the multisession info from a disc using "wodim dev=/dev/sr0 -msinfo", I receive the error response "Errno: 5 (Input/output error), read toc scsi sendcmd: no error" and some sense codes.  My not inconsiderable research into the matter leads me to believe this is a result of some change in the 2.6 kernel which deprecated the ide-scsi interface and resolved a vulnerability in device access that disallows the direct send
[09:01] <pixelmischief> ing of SCSI directives to storage devices.   My guess is that no one knows anything about it. It is probably not used that often :-P
[09:02] <smw> ibrahim-kasem, maybe #gnome will have something?
[09:02] <tangentcollision> wow, darth, that man was uh
[09:03] <ibrahim-kasem> smw, yes dude your right :( but in my country it is still used :(
[09:03] <smw> ibrahim-kasem, I tried to use it once. I got the same issue. I later found out it had to do with the fact that I was using a builtin modem.
[09:04] <dsimon> ibrahim-kasem, can you install a different ppp client?
[09:04] <ibrahim-kasem> dsimon, aha I will see what is there
[09:04] <smw> ibrahim-kasem, the builin modem had issues that could only be resolved with a driver that cost $20
[09:04] <sungji> hi! I'd like to read from /dev/tcp and store the output in a file... unfortunately, I don't seem to know how to pipe that
[09:04] <sungji> Could you give me a hint?
[09:05] <dsimon> sungji, i recommend netcat
[09:05] <smw> sungji, tcpdump?
[09:05] <sungji> dsimon, thanks, I'll try that
[09:05] <dsimon> if by /dev/tcp you mean what i guess
[09:05] <dsimon> smw's suggestion is good too
[09:05] <ibrahim-kasem> dsimon, do you have a name of another ppp client please ? searching in the software center was not helpful
[09:05] <dsimon> depending on if you're thinking of "receiving" or "sniffing"
[09:05] <stercor> How do I determine the amount of memory without rebooting?
[09:05] <pixelmischief> When I try to read the multisession info from a disc using "wodim dev=/dev/sr0 -msinfo", I receive the error response "Errno: 5 (Input/output error), read toc scsi sendcmd: no error" and some sense codes.  My research into the matter leads me to believe this is a result of some change in the 2.6 kernel which deprecated the ide-scsi interface and resolved a vulnerability in device access that disallows the direct sending of SCSI directi
[09:05] <pixelmischief> ves to storage devices.  Does anyone know how I can resolve this?
[09:05] <sungji> cat < /dev/tcp/localhost/7000   <-- does print what I wish to store in a file
[09:06] <dsimon> ibrahim-kasem, what ubuntu version are you running?
[09:06] <dsimon> sungji, er, hold on
[09:06] <smw> stercor, cat /proc/meminfo
[09:06] <ibrahim-kasem> dsimon, 10.04 32 bit Lucid
[09:06] <dsimon> what are you trying to accomplish?
[09:06] <stercor> smw: Thanks... brb.
[09:07] <dsimon> hmm, actually
[09:07] <dsimon> ibrahim-kasem, let's back up a bit
[09:07] <dsimon> is it an external modem?
[09:07] <sungji> dsimon, I wrote a little file server in java (all it does is sending a file when some client connects to it), and I'd to test that (without having to write a client by myself :) )
[09:07] <dsimon> sungji, ah, ok
[09:07] <dsimon> so you want to connect to that server and type some stuff at it manually?
[09:07] <ibrahim-kasem> dsimon, in my laptop hp dv6 1045ee
[09:07] <sungji> dsimon, nope, no telnet thing
[09:08] <sungji> dsimon, there's really no other communication (protocol) going on other than connect, serve file, disconnect
[09:08] <dsimon> sungji, so why can't you use telnet?
[09:08] <sungji> dsimon, it's a binary file
[09:08] <dsimon> sungji, ah, ok
[09:08] <dsimon> in that case, netcat really is what you need
[09:08] <dsimon> it's a generic network client
[09:09] <dsimon> you may already have it installed
[09:09] <pixelmischief> sunji, your listener does not have to be a telnet server for telnet to connect to the port.
[09:09] <dsimon> $ man nc
[09:09] <alex88> KB1JWQ: well, not it connects...going to check logs to see wtf happened
[09:10] <dsimon> ibrahim-kasem, from a terminal, try running lspci
[09:10] <dsimon> see if you can find the line describing your modem
[09:10] <sungji> dsimon, it worked :) thanks a lot for taking the time to answer my silly question :D
[09:10] <dsimon> sungji, no problem
[09:10] <BentFranklin> I start x11vnc through a script in ~/.kde/Autostart.  When I ps aux I see two x11vnc processes.  Any idea why?  Could it be from using -loop or -forever options in x11vnc?
[09:11] <rww> BentFranklin: because of -loop, I think
[09:11] <pixelmischief> "wodim dev=/dev/sr0 -msinfo" returns "Errno: 5 (Input/output error), read toc scsi sendcmd: no error".  Some change in the 2.6 kernel deprecated ide-scsi and disallows direct SCSI directives to storage devices.  How I can resolve this?
[09:12] <ibrahim-kasem> dsimon, lspci output http://paste.ubuntu.com/481334/
[09:12] <Entelin> is there any unixlike fs that also works well in windows 7?  i used to use ext2 but the drivers don't work well anymore.  I tried ntfs, but unfortunately the executable bit and such doesnt work so its a poor choice...
[09:13] <sandking> hey
[09:13] <Entelin> the ideal i guess would be to divorce my drive from this computer and stick it on a different box and just use it over the network i guess
[09:14] <BentFranklin> rww: I thought -loop was supposed to spawn a new one when it died, not both at the beginning.  Is that normal?
[09:14] <ectospasm> does anyone have any experience installing Oracle Enterprise Linux in VirtualBox on Ubuntu?  I got it installed, but the kernel just hangs on Red Hat nash loading, and there doesn't seem to be any requisite disk activity
[09:14] <rww> BentFranklin: It has an outer process to respawn the inner process when it dies
[09:14] <tensorpudding> Even using it over the network will suck, because SMB doesn't do ACL mapping very well
[09:15] <rww> BentFranklin: that's my understanding of the manpage, anyway
[09:15] <Entelin> yeah but on the linux side I dont have to use smb
[09:15] <Entelin> i can just use sshfs
[09:15] <BentFranklin> Aha, I read that but didn't understand it until now.  Thanks.
[09:15] <Entelin> then windows can use smb, while the base fs is like ext4
[09:16] <Koalabear> clear
[09:16] <tokenmathguy> BentFranklin: ps axuf will show process tree
[09:16] <Entelin> lame...  oh well, I have a system i'm using as a firewall, ill just put it over there
[09:17] <mahdif62> Hi
[09:17] <pixelmischief> When I try to read the multisession info from a disc using "wodim dev=/dev/sr0 -msinfo", I receive the error response "Errno: 5 (Input/output error), read toc scsi sendcmd: no error" and some sense codes.  My research into the matter leads me to believe this is a result of some change in the 2.6 kernel which deprecated the ide-scsi interface and resolved a vulnerability in device access that disallows the direct sending of SCSI directi
[09:17] <pixelmischief> ves to storage devices.  Does anyone know how I can resolve this?
[09:17] <mahdif62> Which IM client supports Yahoo video chat?
[09:18] <tangentcollision> damn, I wish there were a unetbootin channel
[09:19] <ibrahim-kasem> mahdif62, I don't think it is available !
[09:19] <well_laid_lawn> mahdif62: If you want yahoo videochat = gyachi
[09:19] <ibrahim-kasem> skype supports video and amsn
[09:19] <ibrahim-kasem> mahdif62, skype supports video and amsn
[09:21] <mahdif62> ibrahim-kasem: well_laid_lawn: doesn't Empathy support webcams on  yahoo protocol?
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> mahdif62: not from my google-fu
[09:22] <Koalabear> how i can add my custom words in bash completion..
[09:22] <ibrahim-kasem> mahdif62, no !
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  their web site had  a forum i think..been a whils since ive been there
[09:22] <fross> how can i force my wifi to connect at 54mb. i ran iwconfig wlan0 rate 54m but im still at 1mb
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> Koalabear:  its defined by /etc/bash_completion  stuff  - you can make your own. I recall some sites withj tutorials on bash cmpletion. I recall years ago when it wasent even commonly used.. (the bad old days)
[09:24] <Koalabear> Dr_Willis: it 'll help me a lot..
[09:25] <BentFranklin> Any way to make kde restart but keeping all my windows open?  I want to make it run Autostart scripts without typing them into a bash shell.
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> you are wanting to test kde's autostart stuff You mean?
[09:27] <BentFranklin> Yes, I am testing x11vnc, running it from ~/.kde/Autostart.  If I type the script into a shell it has all sorts of output I don't want to see.
[09:28] <BentFranklin> I guess I could just minimize the shell until I reboot.
[09:30] <lboken> hi again all
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> BentFranklin:  pipe the output to /dev/null  and 'exit' the shell
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> or just BG it and  exit the shell
[09:31] <lboken> on ubuntu 10.04 is there a software that turn windows wireless driver to linus?
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> or all of the above
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  ndiswrapper can work for Some drivers.
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  but its not commonly used these days
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> !info ndiswrapper
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i spelt it wrong?
[09:32] <bazhang> -common I think
[09:32]  * Dr_Willis needs  tab completion for  factoids :)
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> !find ndiswrapper
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> it's not a package it seems
[09:34] <tangentcollision> okay, this is really annoying
[09:35] <tangentcollision> I am unable to wipe this drive clean
[09:35] <bazhang> tangentcollision, with shred ?
[09:35] <tangentcollision> fdisk and cfdisk both SAY they are doing things
[09:35] <tangentcollision> but when I look at it after remounting it, it's got the same contents and FS
[09:37] <tangentcollision> oooh
[09:37] <tangentcollision> mkfs would do it
[09:37] <tangentcollision> durp
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  in some cases after repartitioning you need to reboot for the changes to be seen also.
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> Used to be common ages ago. Not so common these days
[09:37] <BentFranklin> Dr_Willis: Thanks
[09:37] <sinurge> Dr_Willis, right...try using gparted as a livecd
[09:37] <tangentcollision> yeah
[09:38] <tangentcollision> oh, gparted
[09:38] <tangentcollision> well...uh, embarrass
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> I recall fdisk eery so often mentioning somnthing like 'kernel is using old parittion layout' when you quit.
[09:38] <tangentcollision> yeah
[09:38] <tangentcollision> that's what it said
[09:38] <tangentcollision> I forgot that the thing meant what it said
[09:39] <tangentcollision> and said what it meant
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> :) 'Ubuntu Super Powers activate! Reboot!' :)
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu us faithfull 100%
[09:40] <sinurge> Dr_Willis, :)
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure if its not as common thesed days because of how sata/drives/controllers work.. or some other kernle changes
[09:40] <ibrahim-kasem> guys can you help with configuring kppp or gnome-ppp
[09:41] <tangentcollision> man
[09:41] <tangentcollision> this will take forever
[09:41] <tangentcollision> if it doesn't work, it's going to piss me off xD
[09:42] <AngryKoala> is this a good way to back up folders:  tar -cpJf foldername.tar.xz foldername
[09:42] <tangentcollision> I'm not allowed to say what I was going to tell you
[09:44] <lboken> i do have teh linux driver but i dont understand the files that explained how to install the driver first i have to find the builder with the command2. cat /proc/usb/devices.
[09:44] <lboken> but doesnt work
[09:44] <ectospasm> AngryKoala: try adding -v so you know it's working (-;
[09:45] <lboken> taht was why iwanted the software to install it with windows driver
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> I think any guide that says mess with /proc/usb  may be a little out of date.. I dont have a /proc/usb
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  so start from the beginning.. what device are you trying to get working?
[09:47] <lboken> Dr_Willis neither do i  that why   but its not a old key its an asus its still listed on there website so
[09:48] <lboken> ASUS 167g  an usb wireless
[09:48] <lboken> to have the net on my pc
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> plug it in and  check what 'lsusb'  says about it.
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> Its very likely the drivers are allready included.. or in the repos.
[09:49] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Just dd the windows iso to your flash drive. "sudo dd if=/path/to/windows.iso of=/dev/sdX" where "sdX" is the device name for your flash drive. Be sure you get the device name correct, as that device will be **completely overwritten**, all data will be lost on the device you dd the image to.
[09:49] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: that doesn't work, for christ's sake
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> Ive only seen a few Linux-Distro ISO files You  can 'dd' to a flash drive.. Never seen it done with windows..
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> I would be very suprised if it worked.
[09:50] <tangentcollision> it doesn't work with windows because of the MBR
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> there ARE tools out there to make a windows-flash-drive installer ive seen
[09:50] <tangentcollision> however, if there were some way to fix the MBR before I rebooted
[09:50] <AngryKoala> windows doesnt work on a usb drive since it was specifically made for a cd
[09:50] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: You tried it? I'd specifically heard that worked with the windows 7 install isos.
[09:50] <tangentcollision> Dr_Willis: that's what I'm workin' on
[09:51] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: I get a "NO BOOT BLAH BLAH ALL CAPS REBOOT PRESS KEY" error
[09:51] <tangentcollision> because it can't find the CD
[09:51] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Sorry.
[09:51] <tangentcollision> thanks for the suggestion
[09:51] <tangentcollision> I just wish it worked
[09:52] <xperia> hello to all. anybody here how can help me with a ugly problem related to mysql ? my innodbdata1 got defected and i need to repair it but i dont know how
[09:52] <tangentcollision> so very much
[09:52] <tangentcollision> 75% done!
[09:56] <lboken> ok Dr_Willis here what i got  i have linux foundation ,1.1  boot hub, then holtek semiconductor, then logitech (mouse), then genesys logic usb 4port hub, then i have asustek computer inc (the number for the vendor and product id  is 0b05 1791  then i have linux foundation
[09:57] <lboken> but there is no such id in my file i have 0b05 **** but not that number
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  you could do a 'lsusb > withgizmo.txt'    then unplug it.. and try lsusb > withoutgizmo.txt    and compare the 2 file.. see if you can track down what line is giving info about the usb gizmo
[10:00] <abhinav_singh> where to get battery status in linux?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  You may also want to check the forums for that exact make/model of the usb gizmo
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  I think theres one built in..  and ive seen some alternatives mentioned on the OMGubuntu web site and other places.
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  or theres various widgits/dektop applets that can give info also
[10:01] <abhinav_singh> Dr_Willis i want to see it using command line
[10:01] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: It seems to be a popular rumar that dd works, there are many blogs claiming it works (filled with comments complaining that it doesn't). The answer from gunthers here seems promising: http://serverfault.com/questions/6714 (even though the answer with the most votes is the wrong one). Direct link to the likely correct answer: http://serverfault.com/revisions/530f205f-a2c6-44e0-ab1d-d8567f0e710b/view-source
[10:02] <lboken> i did a google reserch and some one as exactly the same problemes but using another version of ubuntu
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  theres files in /proc/ that have info on that i recall
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  explore /proc/ a bit
[10:02] <pietime> Dr_Willis, vlc is still hiccuping on media
[10:03] <abhinav_singh> ok Dr_Willis
[10:03] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: if what I'm doing right now doesn't work, then I'll try again
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  i saw a artical about /proc/ i bookmarked - its somewhere in my links at http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[10:04] <u8untu> hey
[10:04] <abhinav_singh> yup Dr_Willis:
[10:04] <pietime> Does anyone know why my Lubuntu system is hiccuping on media?
[10:05] <ectospasm> pietime: I've never heard of Lubuntu, maybe try #lubuntu?
[10:05] <u8untu> i want to install ubuntu instead of windows..i`m using a usb flash drive..i made all that they say on ubuntu.com ...but..when i restart my pc it says "no default or ui configuration directive found"
[10:05] <pietime> ectospasm, yeah they are all busy
[10:06] <lboken> Dr_Willis i tryed your command but it doesnt worki get  the error  ( no such file or directory)
[10:06] <ectospasm> pietime: or do you mean "kubuntu?
[10:06] <pietime> no
[10:06] <pietime> !lubuntu
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  what was the exact command you used ?
[10:06] <abhinav_singh> Dr_Willis: Well you have a very good links at your bookmarks
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> I cant imagine why vlc would 'hickup' in lubuntu, but not ubuntu.
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  check other peoples tagged linkx also at that site.. better then google in many ways
[10:07] <lboken> Dr_Willis  lsusb > withgizmo.txt
[10:07] <abhinav_singh> hmmm Dr_Willis: I am checking your links
[10:08] <u8untu> i want to install ubuntu instead of windows..i`m using a usb flash drive..i made all that they say on ubuntu.com ...but..when i restart my pc it says "no default or ui configuration directive found"
[10:09] <pietime> u8untu, are you trying to use a flash drive
[10:09] <u8untu> yes pietime
[10:11] <pietime> u8untu, did you configure the BIOS to boot from the usb
[10:11] <abhinav_singh> Dr_Willis: With pwd command we see only absolute path...............is there any way to see relative path
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  it works here.. be sure you are in a directroy you can write to.
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> 'made all that they say' ? what did they say?
[10:11] <lboken> dr_willis that waht i just did i wasnt in one  i coudl write
[10:11] <u8untu> Dr_Willis http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[10:11] <lboken> sorry for my error
[10:11] <u8untu> here..step by step
[10:11] <u8untu> i made it..but..i got this error: http://img94.imageshack.us/i/zdjcie000to.jpg/
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> I normally just download the iso and use unetbootin on a windows machine of other linux bos to make a bootable flash drive. :)
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  never noticed or tried.. relative to what? :)
[10:12] <pietime> you dont even need to download the iso, unetbootin does all the work for you Dr_Willis and u8untu
[10:12] <pietime> Does anyone know why my Lubuntu system is hiccuping on media?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  i use my own customuized  isos
[10:13] <abhinav_singh> relative to my current working directory Dr_Willis
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  pwd = print working diretory.. its where you are at.. so it is your currnt working directory.. Unless im confused about somthing
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  you may want to check the forums, and the #lubuntu channel. Ive never heard of anyone else with the issue. I cant imagine what would be causing it either.
[10:14] <abhinav_singh> no Dr_Willis: you are absolutely right
[10:14] <lboken> Dr_Willis teh only line that get away is Bus 001 Device 021: ID 0b05:1791 ASUSTek Computer, Inc.
[10:14] <lboken> but like i sayed 05b05:1791 isnt in my choice
[10:15] <lboken> i have for choice 0B05		1706		rt25USB
[10:15] <lboken> 	0B05		1707		rt25USB
[10:15] <lboken> 	0B05		1723		rt73
[10:15] <lboken> 	0B05		1724		rt73
[10:15] <FloodBot4> lboken: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  make note of that  device. so you can search for it. It would seme that its very unsupported if its not even itentifyng the device.
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> lboken:   I wouls have to say check the forums, or if you are brave. try the 10.10 live cd thats in testing and see if that sees the device.
[10:16] <pietime> by the way Dr_Willis, the drive is on another system, networked and has ubuntu installed on it
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  if the 10.10 dosent see it or give better info from lsusb. you may want to file a bug report on it.
[10:17] <lboken> you mean 10.04 lol
[10:18] <UndiFineD> Dr_Willis, http://paste.ubuntu.com/481356/
[10:20] <UndiFineD> lboken, seems realtek to me
[10:21] <tangentcollision> wow
[10:21] <tangentcollision> fucking anhero time
[10:21] <tangentcollision> 1 TB of video editing?
[10:21] <tangentcollision> gone
[10:21] <oCean_> tangentcollision: watch your language please
[10:21] <tangentcollision> with one mistyped letter
[10:21] <tangentcollision> oCean_: apologies
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> lboken:  no i mean try it in 10.10 and if it dosent work file a bug. so it may get fixed befor 10.10 is finallized/released :)
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  that image you posted is basically showing that syslinux is not configured properly Im guessing a mistake or missing config file
[10:23] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: I assume you used dd / fdisk / mkfs on the wrong drive?
[10:24] <tangentcollision> dd
[10:24] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: How long was dd running?
[10:24] <tangentcollision> a second or 5
[10:24] <tangentcollision> /dev/sda1 doesn't exist though
[10:24] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Then your data is likely recoverable with testdisk.
[10:25] <tangentcollision> testdisk?
[10:25] <tangentcollision> what is this testdisk?
[10:25] <abhinav_singh> hw to see file information....i mean when it is created...whats its last modification time
[10:25] <_lore> hello, I'm having problems setting up an ethernet bridge on ubuntu 10.4 desktop edition, keep getting the dhcp client interfering but can't find the "old" dhcdbd to be stopped. any advice?
[10:25] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: If you're lucky, all you've lost is the partition table. testdisk is a tool that can detect filesystems and restore partition tables.
[10:25] <oCean_> abhinav_singh: stat <file>'
[10:26] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: where/how
[10:26] <pietime> Does anyone know why my Lubuntu system is hiccuping on media?
[10:26] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Note, that's only if you're lucky.
[10:26] <_lore> tangentcollision: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[10:27] <akrill> ha. anhero.
[10:27] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: dd should have said how much data it wrote if you closed it by pressing ctrl+c, was it less than 1 meg?
[10:28] <spazmi> why do I get the following errors on my Torrentflux installation? - http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/554kXGK9
[10:28] <tangentcollision> it was probably around that mark
[10:29] <_lore> spazmi: torrrentflux is using a php function that is now deprecated in the last php version, those are just warning anyway, you can still use it and in the next versions it will probably get fixed
[10:29] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: With modern drives it's recommended to start the first partition 1 meg into the drive for alignment reasons, most tools will follow this convention as well as most drives that come pre-formatted.
[10:30] <tangentcollision> I see
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  i wonder if thats why this win7 set up has that. quirk..
[10:31] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Which means that there is the mbr + 1 meg of useless bits at the beginning of the disk.
[10:31]  * Dr_Willis wonders whats being alignmed on the drive
[10:32] <delx> Hey
[10:32] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/advice.html has a pretty good explanation.
[10:33] <tangentcollision> as soon as I can, if I can, I'll be parting the drive off into 250 GB paritions
[10:33] <tangentcollision> and one sumptin partition
[10:33] <tangentcollision> 220?
[10:33] <tangentcollision> w/e
[10:33] <tangentcollision> think I'll be able to install testdisk ever?
[10:34] <tangentcollision> because I don't have any choices...
[10:34] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Are you having problems installing testdisk?
[10:34] <tangentcollision> I don't know if it'll be possible
[10:34] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Why wouldn't it be?
[10:34] <tangentcollision> seeing as I have to use UB 7.1 live cd
[10:35] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: You can install software in the live environment.
[10:36] <tangentcollision> not my point
[10:36] <tangentcollision> my point is that all the repos are dead
[10:36] <tangentcollision> so if I need something, I'm screwed
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> the old repos have been moved to some other place. you have to alter the sources.list to mnatch with the new address
[10:37] <tangentcollision> oh, it doesn't even have to be "installed" just downloaded, thank god
[10:38] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Now that your 1TB of data is on the line can you go out an buy a blank CD?
[10:39] <abhinav_singh> i am using google chrome on ubuntu.........please tell me how to update it
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  enabel some PPA's for it. and it will update as the PPA does same as if it was from a normal Repo.
[10:40] <DasEi> abhinav_singh: add the repo
[10:40] <tangentcollision> lots of cylenders to read
[10:40] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: I still can't write to one, I'm on a liveCD
[10:40] <tangentcollision> and only having one optical drive...
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> Is chrome in the partners repo yet?
[10:40] <Jordan_U> abhinav_singh: Updates should come in through System > Administration > Update Manager. Chrome's installer adds the chrome repository automatically.
[10:40] <abhinav_singh> Dr_Willis what is the PPA
[10:41] <yessir_turan> abhinav_singh: Use firefox nightlies, they are way better :P
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> !ppa
[10:41] <tangentcollision> also, it's like...6 AM
[10:41] <spazmi> _lore: sorry for a late reply, but what do you mean with next version? next version of torrentflux or next version of php? :)
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> abhinav_singh:  i let ubuntu-tweak enable the ppa for me. :)
[10:41] <quantumelixir> How exactly does GNU Make detect files whose content has changed since the last run of make? Does it write the mtimes of the dependencies to a file somewhere so that it can compare them when I run make again?
[10:41] <yessir_turan> quantumelixir: comparing target mtime with source mtime
[10:41] <_lore> spazmi: next version of torrentflux, they'll probably use the new function in php
[10:42] <spazmi> _lore: ok ok, not sure if they still develop it tough
[10:42] <spazmi> though
[10:42] <DasEi> abhinav_singh: also a nice tool : http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[10:42] <Jordan_U> quantumelixir: You'll notice that "touch foo.c" will cause foo.c (and any files that depend on it) be recompiled by a subsequent "make".
[10:42] <DasEi> abhinav_singh: also a nice tool : but keep in mind, always your own risk to enable whatever
[10:43] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: before the "quick scan" started happening, it saw no partitions
[10:43] <quantumelixir> yessir_turan: By "comparing" you mean the check is for mtime(source) == mtime(target) then do nothing else compile? But will they have identical mtimes when I run make? What if the target building takes a long time etc.?
[10:43] <_lore> spazmi: oh, that's another issue :p anyway, for now I don't think you'll have any sort of problem, usually php developer leave for some time deprecated functions and just give that warning, you can also suppress it if you want editing /etc/apache2/php.ini
[10:43] <quantumelixir> oh sorry
[10:43] <abhinav_singh> DasEi:yes you are right
[10:43] <quantumelixir> yessir_turan: got it
[10:43] <tangentcollision> Jordan_U: should I give up and start trying to build from the bottom up?
[10:43] <quantumelixir> yessir_turan: The check isn't for == but <=
[10:43] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: Depends on how valuable the data is to you.
[10:44] <tangentcollision> half of it is video that I've produced
[10:44] <quantumelixir> jordan_u: Thanks.
[10:44] <Jordan_U> quantumelixir: You're welcome.
[10:44] <tangentcollision> but it is hosted on youtube
[10:44] <tangentcollision> I can always get the programs back
[10:45] <tangentcollision> and there's a bunch of crap that I don't remember in the first place
[10:45] <tangentcollision> so, I wouldn't be entirely trashed, but I'd be rather irate that my latest project didn't even get finished being edited
[10:46] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: photorec will almost certainly be able to find and recover all of the video files, but possibly not the project files. With 1 TB of space 99.99% of your data is still intact, the question is how much time you want to invest in recovering it.
[10:46] <UndiFineD> if you are goin to reinstall tangentcollision , make multiple partitions so you can separate os / user / from data
[10:47] <tangentcollision> UndiFineD: it's windows, the reason I'm in here is because I have to use this crappy CD to do everything with...(stupid outdated thing)
[10:47] <UndiFineD> this should be done on windows too
[10:47] <pietime> are the caches in Lubuntu intentionally shrunk?
[10:47] <UndiFineD> you can move doucments and setting to an other drive
[10:47] <pietime> does anyone know how to increase the cache size for everything in Lubuntu?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  i wouldent think that would be a lubuntu setting.
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  the media players have ther own cache settings
[10:48] <pietime> Dr_Willis, could lubuntu somehow predefine them?
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  vlc would use the same settings i imagine. Not lubuntu specific vlc settings
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  as a test you could install for example 'icewm'  and try it and seeif it also has the same issue.
[10:49] <drygrain> :D
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> or just plain openbox/fluxbox   instead of  lubuntu 's desktop or gnomes desktop.
[10:49] <pietime> lubuntu is more than the lxde window manager
[10:49] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: It's 3:00 AM here, so I need to get some sleep. If you're here tomorrow I can help you get bootstrapped to run 10.04 live from an iso file on the hard drive, and help further with data recovery.
[10:50] <tangentcollision> pz
[10:50] <tangentcollision> thanks for the help
[10:50] <tangentcollision> sleep well and what not
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  and you can install icewm on your lubuntu system and use it instead of the lxde.. and se eif the issue is still there.
[10:50] <Jordan_U> tangentcollision: You're welcome.
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> there is the #lubuntu channel. but ive never seen/heard of any mention of it afecting disk caches or stuff for the various programs.
[10:51] <pietime> Dr_Willis, what im saying is that lubuntu is more than just ubuntu with a different window manager. it has a wide range of differences
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> it could be some 'bug' in lubuntu.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  the differances i saw were minimal really. they dont have a lubuntu-vlc package or so forth.. they are using the normal vlc package.
[10:51] <drygrain> whats the advantage of lxde over xfce
[10:51] <Dr_Willis>  now the USER defaults could be different.. perhaps..
[10:51] <drygrain> just preference?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> but even then i would find that  hard to belivbe they would mess with it that way
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> drygrain:  its lighter then xfce even.
[10:52] <pietime> ok Dr_Willis do you really know this first hand?
[10:52] <drygrain> squeal!
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  check the package manager and see.  check your home dir on a lubuntu install and see.. why would they make custome vlc settings when vlc is not installed by default.
[10:53] <LinuxGuy2009> When I open sound preferences I can see that I can manually drag the volume slider higher than 100% if a youtube videos volume is a bit too low, but is there any tweak I can make to enable my netbooks multimedia volume keys to get it to go over the 100% without having to manually open sound preferences and doing it each time?
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  when in doubt ask in #lubuntu and the lubuntu forums also.
[10:53] <pietime> Dr_Willis, i just thought that would be a system wide setting that some how affected media playback
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  you ahve  a system with ubuntu AND lubuntu both on it? or a single system with both dekstops installed.
[10:54] <Damascene> hi, many programs windows does not appear in workspaces. I need to hit Alt+Tab to see them
[10:54] <acidflash> hello people, i am having some trouble getting a file to run on startup using update-rc.d
[10:54] <acidflash> can anyone help?
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  there may be some in /etc/ but i doubt if lubuntu would be doing anyting differen tto the vlc settings that are not in the normal vlc package.
[10:54] <acidflash> ubuntu 10.04
[10:54] <pietime> Dr_Willis, I have a lubuntu system.
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  and you were testing this out in Ubuntu somehow?
[10:55] <pietime> no i have another system that is ubuntu
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> ahh.. differnt machine totally...
[10:55] <pietime> yes
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> Be an interesting test to try out a ubuntu and lubuntu live cd on teh same box.. and see if the issue  is repeatable on the same machine.
[10:56] <pietime> Dr_Willis, i have
[10:56] <tangentcollision> 8%, good god, I'm going to sleep a little
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> next time  the one hangs.. also check 'dmesg' output.
[10:56] <pietime> this system was formerly ubuntu
[10:56] <pietime> it worked fine
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> could be some odd kernel/hardware quirk
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  another interesting test would be to also install the ubuntu-desktop package  but USE the lxde desktop, (not gnome) and see if the problem goes away.
[10:57] <pietime> Dr_Willis, that would use up a lot of resources
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> It would use up some hard drive space.. but not much sles if gnome isent running
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> If that fixed the issue.. that would be an interesting bug report to give to the Lubuntu devs
[10:58] <pietime> Dr_Willis, actually, i did have the lubuntu desktop installed on ubuntu at one time
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> I had 'lubuntu-desktop' break my ubuntu system :) so i really dont have much faith in lubuntu...
[10:59] <pietime> yeah it isnt really stable until 10.10
[10:59] <ibrahim-kasem> !lubuntu
[11:00] <pietime> iios
[11:00] <pietime> oops
[11:00] <pietime> i mean
[11:00] <antivirtel> hello all
[11:00] <pietime> i mean the supported distro isnt stable
[11:00] <MichealH> !hi | antivirtel
[11:00] <pietime> the distro 10.04 is stable though
[11:00] <ibrahim-kasem> antivirtel, hello
[11:01] <kuttan_> hello all
[11:01] <MichealH> Hello kuttan_
[11:01] <antivirtel> I'm looking for a parrental control GUI, that can limit time, and have adult-content filter, and (maybe available in hung. language)... I've found these: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843510 I think there are no time limiter... :\
[11:02] <kuttan> anybody has successfully installed dom0 kernel on 10.04
[11:02] <antivirtel> *parental
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> I dont think Lubuntu is an official ubuntu variant yet. It was supposed to be. but had to many issues.. they were targeting having it officially supported in 10.10 (i think)
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> antivirtel:  i recall some firefox extensions that also did that. (i dident use them much)
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> antivirtel:  i cant even rember its name. but it had most of those features.
[11:03] <antivirtel> Dr_Willis I want to logout with children's usr, and after 24h he can log in
[11:03] <Th3Mirr0r> hello
[11:03] <Th3Mirr0r> is someone online?
[11:04] <antivirtel> !asd | Th3Mirr0r
[11:04] <MichealH> Th3Mirr0r: Just state your question
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> antivirtel:  good luck with that then. ive not noticed any that force a person to log off and ot let them back in
[11:04] <antivirtel> !ask | Th3Mirr0r
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> 1143 people online... - the bots
[11:04] <MichealH> Dr_Willis: Some can be idle ;)
[11:05] <acidflash> need help with update-rc.d on ubuntu 10.04.. looked all over the net and no solutions yet...
[11:05] <MichealH> We have lives
[11:05] <Th3Mirr0r> who knows how to configure my internet? i installed on a pc ubuntu studio but the internet doesnt work
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  with the move of many services to Upstart  that command is a bit obsolete.
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure it even works at all with upstart sericves
[11:05] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: upstart ? how do i access that?
[11:05] <DasEi> Th3Mirr0r: how do you connect ?
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> !upstart
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  upstart scripts are in /etc/init
[11:06] <MichealH> Th3Mirr0r: Do you connect via a cable or wireless?
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> many serices now ue upstart and not the older sysv system scripts
[11:06] <DasEi> Th3Mirr0r:ubuntu-studio isn't supported here, but cam pm me, if you like
[11:06] <DasEi> can*
[11:07] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: i am going to read about upstart, so i have to add my script to /etc/init in order for it to work ?
[11:07] <antivirtel> Dr_Willis http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6584/1/screenshot3850/ :):):):)
[11:07] <pietime> !lxc
[11:07] <antivirtel> I think it will work nice :D:D:D
[11:09] <kuttan> !lxc
[11:09] <pietime> does anyone know anything about lxc?
[11:09] <kuttan> !txt
[11:10] <DasEi> !fishing
[11:10] <pietime> why is that factoid called "fishing"?
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  depend on what its doing. You could just call it from /etc/rc.local
[11:11] <DasEi> pietime: to keep channel readable and not have all kinds of tries in here
[11:11] <DasEi> kuttan: what shall lxc be about ?
[11:13] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: i added a squid.conf file in /etc/init and added two lines, description "Squid3 cache server" and exec /etc/init.d/squid start
[11:13] <MichealH> !pastebin > Th3Mirr0r
[11:13] <acidflash> do i have to do anything else or will it just take it automatically after restart?
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  no idea. upstart scripts have a very specific syntax. I dont make my own :)
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  why dident squid have its own init scripts when you intalled it? it seems like it should have included some
[11:14] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: in all honestly i dont know, i compiled from source and it diddnt have an init.d script
[11:14] <kuttan> How much disk space is required to get a functional Ubuntu system
[11:15] <kuttan> Gnome Desktop + Sound
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  why did you compile from source.. You Could download/check the squid deb packages and see what scripts they include
[11:15] <arzhar> guys, im getting some sound errors when i try to run quake 3
[11:15] <arzhar> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[11:15] <arzhar> any ideas ?
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> kuttan:  id say 10gb. perhaps smaller.. but that may be tight
[11:15] <DasEi> acidflash: runlevel and - if desired , daemon (background) mode shall be configured, but no geek on this, here too
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> kuttan:  if you wan tto do 'real' work that is. :)
[11:16] <kuttan> okay thanks Doc!
[11:16] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: apt-get install gets old version
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  is there any MUST have features in the new version?
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  there also may be some PPA's with ndwer versions.
[11:16] <DasEi> acidflash: runlevel as you will need the network and some other services up before squid can successfull start
[11:16] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: yes, SMP semi support
[11:16] <arzhar> no one ? :)
[11:16] <Gnea> no one at all
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  means nothing to me. :)
[11:17] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: ok where can i read about run-level
[11:17] <Gnea> arzhar: what's the problem?
[11:17] <DasEi> !runlevel | acidflash
[11:17] <arzhar> Gnea: no sound with quake 3 and other games
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  heres the squid.conf that got installed just now...
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> $ pastebinit squid.conf
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/YuTN6LJy
[11:17] <Gnea> arzhar: are you part of the audio group?
[11:18] <kuttan>  !runlevel | acidflash
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> acidflash: ubuntu dosent really use runlevels
[11:18] <arzhar> Gnea: hm, should be, everything is default, let me check
[11:18] <arzhar> well
[11:18] <Gnea> arzhar: just open a terminal and type: id     you should see in there something like 29(audio)
[11:18] <DasEi> acidflash: look at the other files in /etc/init , there you find numbers for it, it's now far beyond 1-6, the bigger a number, the later it will start
[11:19] <Gnea> if it's not there, you'll need to add yourself to the audio group, logout, login
[11:19] <arzhar> nope, its not there
[11:19] <Gnea> that's the problem then :)
[11:19] <Dr_Willis>  /etc/init dosent use #'s like that. :)
[11:19] <Gnea> just go system->admin->users&groups
[11:19] <kuttan> is anybody using XEN on Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[11:19] <Gnea> unlock it and add yourself
[11:20] <Gnea> !xen
[11:20] <acidflash> Dr_Willis: thank you very much, i will add that to /etc/init
[11:20] <arzhar> Gnea: thanks ill give a try now
[11:20] <kuttan> ubottu I am using 10.04
[11:20] <Gnea> arzhar: remember, after you add yourself, you need to login again for it to take proper effect
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> acidflash:  It might even work. :)
[11:22] <CruelCoke|Pup310> Hi. What squashfs version does ubuntu 810 use?
[11:24] <Damascene> hi, many programs windows does not appear in workspaces. I need to hit Alt+Tab to see them
[11:24] <arzhar> Gnea: nope
[11:24] <arzhar> thats the error btw
[11:24] <arzhar> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[11:24] <arzhar> Could not open /dev/dsp
[11:24] <FloodBot4> arzhar: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:25] <Gnea> arzhar: can you pastebin output of ls -l /dev/dsp*  ?
[11:25] <DasEi> CruelCoke|Pup310: apt-cache show squashfs-tools on karmic should tell
[11:26] <Renski> can anyone recommend a tool which would allow an app without proxy support to use a proxy? I.e. you open port of lo, and connect the application to that, and it automatically forwards you to a prefonfigured socks proxy/target? does such a tool exist?
[11:27] <Gnea> Renski: iptables
[11:27] <Renski> really?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Renski:  sounds a lot like a ssh tunnel also..
[11:27] <Gnea> yes.
[11:27] <arzhar> Gnea: http://pastebin.com/PXX5zkSi
[11:27] <arzhar> it gives sdp1
[11:27] <Renski> awesome, how?
[11:27] <CruelCoke|Pup310> ok, arzhar... what .sfs version does ubuntu 810 use?
[11:28] <DasEi> acidflash: I'm still busy for ~20 min here, but recently digged upstart out, so we can meet back in a moment
[11:29]  * CruelCoke|Pup310 considers starting a project that can create linux distros on PuppyCore - the distro acts as a livecd, but sessions can be saved to a pendriver in a .2fs file
[11:29] <philinux> CruelCoke|Pup310: use remastersys
[11:30] <CruelCoke|Pup310> idk of such thing, all i need is a .sfs version checker for windows and linux
[11:31] <Gnea> arzhar: sudo ln -s /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp   and try again
[11:31] <CruelCoke|Pup310> but since the pendrive is the device to test builds, the builds themselves would be assembled under Windows
[11:31] <Gnea> CruelCoke|Pup310: why under windows?
[11:33] <CruelCoke|Pup310> because i can't install linux to hdd, livecd is slow and the pendrive IS the thing to which the result of experiment is placed for boot
[11:33] <Gnea> why can't you install linux to hdd?
[11:33] <tangentcollision> what?
[11:34] <tangentcollision> what the hell is up with THAT?
[11:34] <CruelCoke|Pup310> some weird ntfs bug-up that has no effect on WIN, but only on NIX
[11:34] <Gnea> !language + tangentcollision
[11:34] <tangentcollision> NTFS-3G
[11:34] <Gnea> !language | tangentcollision
[11:34] <DasEi> tangentcollision: what happened ?
[11:34] <tangentcollision> Gnea: what?
[11:34] <Gnea> CruelCoke|Pup310: when does it happen?
[11:34] <tangentcollision> DasEi: what???
[11:35] <tangentcollision> so confused!
[11:35] <Gnea> please to not be trolling in here, kthx.
[11:35] <CruelCoke|Pup310> root filesystem not found
[11:35] <Renski> tangentcollision: apprently someone thought you were being offensive :)
[11:35] <Gnea> CruelCoke|Pup310: even with wubi?
[11:35] <DasEi> tangentcollision: last time you succesfull started testdisk, so what is happening ?
[11:35] <tangentcollision> okay, but DasEi, what do you mean what happened?
[11:35] <tangentcollision> oh
[11:35] <tangentcollision> jesus, I thought something WORSE happened
[11:36] <CruelCoke|Pup310> the planter makes it run, but only for the next reboot after the install
[11:36] <tangentcollision> the quick scan is at 30%
[11:36] <Gnea> the 'planter'?
[11:36] <Gnea> okay, I must be reading things wrong, good night.
[11:36] <CruelCoke|Pup310> wubi is a planter, not a proper installer
[11:36] <Gnea> don't start with 'proper'
[11:36] <Gnea> wubi *works*
[11:37] <mgt_90> CruelCoke|Pup310: Maybe try installing in a VM?
[11:37] <umc> hey guys. I installed ubuntu for the first time, over a mandriva install, but kept my /home partition, including my .ssh folder, but now when I try to ssh into another box, I get "Permission denied (publickey, keyboard-interactive)" any idea why it doesn't use the keys from ~/.ssh ?
[11:37] <Gnea> virtualbox might work, though
[11:37] <abhijit> hi
[11:37] <Gnea> unless your system is too old
[11:37] <u8untu> Dr_Willis i did the way you told me.. with unetbootin .. but it says the same error
[11:37] <pure_hate> umc, you have to give the folder permisions for the new user
[11:38] <CruelCoke|Pup310> i didn't master any VM's, plus working with my 2 HDD partitions, DVD and pendrive is easier in Windows
[11:38] <Gnea> !vbox | CruelCoke|Pup310
[11:38] <arzhar> Gnea: sorry, i had to do something
[11:38] <arzhar> anyway, it worked :)
[11:38] <Gnea> arzhar: awesome
[11:38] <arzhar> it was missing a link like you said
[11:38] <arzhar> thanks for the help
[11:38] <Gnea> cheers
[11:38] <u8untu> i have the same problem
[11:38] <umc> pure_hate: I have created the same user as before, and a ls -al in .ssh gives me the proper user and group for the files
[11:38] <CruelCoke|Pup310> Gnea, i failed to master Oracle VirtualBox
[11:38] <Gnea> CruelCoke|Pup310: well, maybe it's time to do so if wubi isn't doing it right
[11:38] <u8untu> when i try to install ubuntu, it says: "no default or ui configuration directive found"
[11:39] <arzhar> oh, Gnea btw, why i get better fps with linux and quake3 than with windows ?
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  ive had unetbootin fail on be befor.   Had to use a ubuntu system and reinstall syslnux on the pendrive and  double check the config files.
[11:39] <Gnea> CruelCoke|Pup310: can't see how anyone can 'fail' at it - you just install it and use it and learn how it works, so easy
[11:39] <Gnea> anyway
[11:39] <arzhar> isnt 3d supposed to be slower here ?
[11:39] <Gnea> I need sleep, good luck.
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  thers some alternatives to unetbootin.
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  because the id guys pay attention to linux? :)
[11:39] <u8untu> Dr_Willis it has the same error
[11:39] <pure_hate> umc, I would still try it. The files inside the folder may be owned by root
[11:39] <CruelCoke|Pup310> Gnea, i tried vbox, it errored on booting ubuntu livecd
[11:39] <arzhar> Dr_Willis: te, maybe thats a good answer
[11:40] <arzhar> same for doom3 and other id rubbish :P
[11:40] <arzhar> ye*
[11:40] <CruelCoke|Pup310> ubuntu livecd errored inside the vbox, but it's ok on plain boot
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  i hear they just GPL'd the code for RTCW and RTCW:ET also.
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  ive never played anything past doom3 i think..
[11:41] <tangentcollision> have nvidia and ATI got drivers that work right now?
[11:41] <DasEi> CruelCoke|Pup310: why don't just boot an iso ?
[11:41] <tangentcollision> I should really ask that somewhere else
[11:41] <CruelCoke|Pup310> DasEl, cd is a bottleneck.
[11:41] <u8untu> Dr_Willis isnt there any other option..i really want to get rid of windows and install ubuntu
[11:42] <DasEi> tangentcollision: nvidia has still the better support, though gpl-drivers for newer ati grew up, too
[11:42] <tangentcollision> I'm going to be getting an ATI card reguardless, I just want to know if I am going to fall on a net or a bed of spikes
[11:42] <mgt_90> CruelCoke|Pup310: What was the error? Since VBox virtualises generic hardware, you shouldn't have any problems if you point it to the right disk.
[11:42] <DasEi> CruelCoke|Pup310: is why I tell you to boot from iso (i isn't l in my nick)
[11:43] <DasEi> tangentcollision: which ATI
[11:43] <tangentcollision> HD 5770 I think it is
[11:44] <DasEi> tangentcollision: not same as drivers for windows, but increased and enough for compiz and such
[11:44] <tangentcollision> beh
[11:44] <pietime> why do my media files play jerky when played from a networked drive?
[11:44] <tangentcollision> I could care less about compiz
[11:44] <CruelCoke|Pup310> i'm currently on Puppy Linux 3.10 RUS 1.30, all 'buntus have a major fault with network adjustment
[11:44] <u8untu> Dr_Willis i even tried to make a CD with infrarecorder .. and it gives me error on writing disk
[11:44] <umc> pure_hate: check it out: http://pastebin.com/hawz8Hjb . did a verbose connect attempt. think the problem is with the keys. maybe you have an idea about the first part of the output. I'll start googleing it too
[11:45] <DasEi> tangentcollision: basic graphics are fine with it, unless you need full support of 3d and special effects like bigger games
[11:45] <CruelCoke|Pup310> TangCo~1, compiz is a vistaism and must be gone
[11:45] <tangentcollision> DasEi: I need to be able to run SC2
[11:45] <tangentcollision> :D
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  makes me wonder if the iso file is bad or not. You could order a cd from 'shipit' for free. or other places online. Or you could go to the local bookstore and proberly buy a linux magazine with the cds
[11:45] <mgt_90> tangentcollision: The Catalyst drivers have pretty messy 3D acceleration. It's not pretty.
[11:46] <u8untu> Dr_Willis i live in europe.. romania..they dont have stuff like that
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  they dont have bookstores,, how odd...  Could try Shipit I guess. or try out the cd/iso/usb on other pc;s and see if thats the issue
[11:47] <tangentcollision> Dr_Willis: I live in atlanta and that sounds pretty far fetched
[11:47] <tangentcollision> a store that sells books? what a ridiculous idea
[11:47] <mgt_90> u8untu: Have you tried verifying the iso with the md5?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  Where else do you get your Manga? :)
[11:47] <mgt_90> Usenet?
[11:47] <CruelCoke|Pup310> default missing is usually a result of plainly unpacking the iso. a planter or a netboot installer (not much difference except planter makes some preparations) is needed
[11:47] <tangentcollision> manga?
[11:47] <pietime> Dr_Willis, i found out what the problem is
[11:47] <tangentcollision> what?
[11:48] <tangentcollision> anime in small, inanimate pictures?
[11:48] <tangentcollision> perposterous
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> pietime:  oh?
[11:48] <tangentcollision> I knew this internet was a waste of time
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  and the books are bound left handed also.. instead of the normal way.
[11:48] <u8untu> mgt_90 how to try it..when i have only windows?
[11:48] <pietime> it only does it with networked media. but it never  did that when both systems were ubuntu. what could be the cause?
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  try it in virtualbox. :)
[11:49] <tangentcollision> WHATCHOO TALKIN BOUT, WILLIS?!?
[11:49] <Dr_Willis>  pietime  networked? No idea. theres dozens and dozens of things that can goof up networking.. :)
[11:49] <u8untu> what is that Dr_Willis :D
[11:49] <oCean_> tangentcollision: please stay on topic, this is not a discussion channel
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> !virtualbox | u8untu
[11:49] <oCean_> tangentcollision: also, don't use caps
[11:49] <CruelCoke|Pup310> missing syslinux configs is ALMOST CERTAINLY a result of plain unpacking
[11:49] <mgt_90> u8untu: You can do it in Windows. Download winMD5Sum and you can verify the ISO in Windows.
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> Ive had unetbootin also mess up befor.. but ive no tused it in ages.
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> THeres other Unetbootin alternatives out for windows also
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> the pendrivelinux web site has dozens of 'install UbuntuXXXXX or whatever to pendrive' scripts and tools also
[11:51] <u8untu> Dr_Willis i an having that error no default or ui configuration directive found ... i dont know that that is :|
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  the syslinux configs are mnessed up
[11:51] <arzhar> Dr_Willis: ill give a try to quake4 too with this antic machine, maybe it will run ok :P
[11:51] <u8untu> Dr_Willis and what shall i do?
[11:52] <CruelCoke|Pup310> u8untu, unetbootin the image to where it already us, will produce one config for you
[11:52] <collabra> I'm laughing at myself,... who knows of a program that records both audio and video from a webcam?
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  check the iso..  try unetbootin again.. try it on other machines..
[11:52] <u8untu> CruelCoke|Pup310 i tried .. and when i restart the pc..it gives me an error: no default or ui configuration directive found
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  try other alternatives to unetbootin...
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  that quakelive that id came out with a few mo back. works in linux also
[11:53] <u8untu> Dr_Willis what alternatives?
[11:53] <CruelCoke|Pup310> u8untu, try unetbootining another iso or find out the kernel image's name and type it
[11:53] <arzhar> Dr_Willis: quakelive ?
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> u8untu:  one of the many listed at the 'pendrivelinux' web site.
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  they redid quake3 so it runs in your browser sort of. :) and enhanced it.
[11:54] <collabra> can anyone give a suggestion or suggestions?
[11:54] <arzhar> Dr_Willis: quake 3 into browser Oo
[11:54] <arzhar> dont think i will like that :P
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  it ran fine.
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> GO try it befor you rant about it
[11:54] <CruelCoke|Pup310> Dr_Willis it's based on java quake that's worse than orig
[11:55] <arzhar> i will
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> CruelCoke|Pup310:  i had no issues with it.. it ran fine for me.. had a blast.
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> quakelive.com
[11:55] <tangentcollision> quakelive is fun, but god the noobs
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> tangentcollision:  im not a noob.. i just SUCK at the game. :)
[11:56] <CruelCoke|Pup310> well, maybe it's running normally, but...
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> Paint a target on my head...
[11:56] <tangentcollision> I shall
[11:56] <CruelCoke|Pup310> java quake is a simplified version, quakelive is a conversion of that java quake
[11:56] <tangentcollision> mind if it's railgun coloured?
[11:57] <collabra> Dr_Willis: how bout you,... do you have any suggestions for recording webcam video AND audio?,... I feel stupid here.
[11:57] <voobscout> anybody knows how update a package that is being tracked with git? in "debian/watch" it says "We track StumpWM Git revisions, thus no need for a watch file" Usually i do "uscan && uupdate packagename" and it all works
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> collabra:  i saw a new app mentioned at the OMGubuntu web site for that.
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> collabra:  cheese can do it also i thought
[11:57] <oCean_> !afk > u8untu|away
[11:57] <collabra> Dr_Willis: cheese,.. ah, no... unfortunately
[11:58] <collabra> but i will look on omgubuntu
[11:59] <arzhar> Dr_Willis: btw how do you get system specs into terminal
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> I used cheese here to record my grandson :)
[11:59] <arzhar> like cpu, gpu, ram etc ?
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> !info sysinfo
[11:59] <psycho_oreos> arzhar, lshw
[11:59] <arzhar> thanks
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  theres proberly other tools also. cat /proc/cpuinfo :)
[12:00] <hendry> does anyone know how to disable the bullet proof X stuff? I just want to boot to a tty console
[12:01] <voobscout> hendry: sudo service gdm stop, take it out of your runlevel as well if you want to boot text
[12:01] <arzhar> Dr_Willis: what about a like like this
[12:01] <arzhar> Linux 2.4+, Mac OS X 10.3.9+ (PowerPC G5) or Windows 2000/XP, Athlon XP 2000+, Pentium 4 2.0 GHz or G4 1.67 GHz CPU, 512 MB RAM, 2.8 GB hard disk space, sound card, OpenGL compatible 64 MB video card, Radeon 9700 or GeForce 3
[12:01] <arzhar> a line like this*
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> arzhar:  looks like one of many irc sysinfo scripts ive seen over the yers..
[12:02] <arzhar> god, spelling -.-
[12:02] <DasEi> hendry: can remove ubuntu-desktop if headless is what you want or just configure gdm to boot to a commandline
[12:04] <hendry> DasEi: I've removed gdc (rc). is there some other gdm type package at work?
[12:05] <DasEi> hendry: gdm itself
[12:05] <hendry> DasEi: I've removed gdm (rc). is there some other gdm type package at work?
[12:05] <mgt_90> DasEi: Doesn't removing ubuntu-desktop just remove the metapackage?
[12:05] <hendry> voobscout: i can't see gdm in my runlevel, /etc/rc2.d, still it boots into a bullet proof dialog
[12:06] <DasEi> mgt_90: gdm does also want to remove the desktop-meta
[12:06] <DasEi> s*
[12:06] <oCean_> hendry: I guees mv /etc/init/gdm.con /etc/init/gdm.conf.disable should do the trick
[12:07] <oCean_> *guess
[12:07] <hendry> "ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode" is the thing i want to get rid of
[12:07] <DasEi> hendry: there are few login mnanagers, and you can also settle them to what you want, what is your goal ?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> the kernel/grub 'text' option will disable plymouth and disable any Xdm login manager also. and just get you to a console.
[12:08] <hendry> DasEi: my goal is a tty
[12:08] <DasEi> hendry: with no desktop at all ?
[12:08] <hendry> DasEi: yes
[12:09] <voobscout> hendry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1477439 - basically you need to edit your gdm.conf
[12:09] <hendry> i prefer to startx by hand
[12:09] <hendry> voobscout: i don't even have gdm installed
[12:09] <mgt_90> hendry: Edit /etc/default/grub and edit GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT by appending "text".
[12:09] <DasEi> hendry: that'll be ubuntu-minimal only, on basic install : sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm ubuntu-desktop
[12:10] <voobscout> hendry: the only way is to tell gdm "start on runlevel []" in gdm.conf
[12:10] <iflema> !nox | hendry
[12:11] <DasEi> hendry: will be cleaner if you use the minimal or alternate installe in expertmode and just install the soft you want, there will always an overhead that way
[12:11] <DasEi> be*
[12:11] <voobscout> who knows how to uupdate a source package from git repo? debian/watch is empty
[12:11] <hendry> aha! it's working now
[12:12] <hendry> i don't know if it was the  mv /etc/init/gdm.con /etc/init/gdm.conf.disable or the text appendage
[12:12] <mgt_90> hendry: Glad to hear you got it working.
[12:12] <hendry> mgt_90: thanks =)
[12:13] <collabra> sorry, Dr_Willis,... chese does work for audio as well as video
[12:14] <collabra> cheese
[12:14] <collabra> der....
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> Cheese needs more silly effects :)
[12:14] <collabra> :)
[12:14] <kish> stupid crap
[12:14] <kish> i shoudlnt havfe installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:14] <kish> now i cant get rid of it
[12:14] <kish> help!
[12:14] <bazhang> !puregnome
[12:15] <kish> awesome
[12:15] <bazhang> kish, see above
[12:15] <kish> i love ubuntu ;)
[12:15] <kish> thanks bazhang :P
[12:15] <bazhang> welcome
[12:15] <mgt_90> kish: Use aptitude in the future. It'll be a lot easier.
[12:15] <kish> mgt_90, aptitude instad of apt-get?
[12:15] <kish> i dont use the software center much
[12:16] <JookieJenkins> Are there any serious differences between apt-get and aptitude?
[12:16] <mgt_90> kish: Yes. If you use aptitude to install a metapackage like Kubuntu, aptitude can remove the metapackage and all of its individual packages as well.
[12:16] <mgt_90> kish: It's a lot more aggressive in tracking dependencies.
[12:17] <sacarlson> good new is I got my usb flash to boot using the "startup disk createor"  in Ubuntu 10.04.  bad news or the question is how do I install a persistent boot on a usb-flash?  I tried two attempts at it and failed.
[12:17] <tangentcollision> 49% done on the testdisk, the tension rises...
[12:17] <kish> well ok
[12:18] <kish> having run aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop shows me 1 package
[12:18] <kish> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 53.2kB will be freed.
[12:18] <kish> heh the link said there should be a large number of packages
[12:18] <mgt_90> kish: It only works if you installed with aptitude as well.
[12:18] <kish> i think i installed it with apt-get
[12:19] <mgt_90> kish: If you used apt-get, you have to remove each package individually.
[12:19] <kish> looks like im gonna make a fresh install
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> kish:  its not very hard to remove them...
[12:20] <kish> Dr_Willis, by hand? individually?!
[12:20] <mgt_90> kish: No real need for that. Some folks gave you a link to a command you ought to be able to just copy and paste.
[12:20] <kish> it sounds difficult to the extreme
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> are you that critical on disk space or somting?
[12:20] <kish> hold on, let me reread that link
[12:21] <mgt_90> kish: It's a really long command, but you can just paste and run.
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> last i checked you removed one or 2 kde packages and  it then let you remove the others.. with a differnt command.
[12:21] <kish> mgt_90, oh, with all the packages? great.
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> I use kde and gnome apps both. so it really dosent matter to me much
[12:21] <mgt_90> kish: Yeap.
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> k3b is to handy to not have installed. :)
[12:24] <hebz0rl> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JSR8IC77Ub4/TGwVWw4sZYI/AAAAAAAAA9g/yhu_nZjlIzM/s1600/d9m38bd_276cvt72tdc_b.png wtf should this be exactly the opposit like the install button under the hdd?
[12:24] <anafall> how to access one linux pc via bluetooth rfcomm
[12:25] <anafall> i mean use another linux pc as a dumb terminal through bluetooth rfcomm with two bt dongles
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> anafall:  hmm.. never seen that done.
[12:26] <oCean_> hebz0rl: what?
[12:26] <kish> all right. it's time to login back in to gnome. thanks everyone (i'll be right back)
[12:26] <lhavelund> OK; so I just did something... bad. I moved my /etc/group file in order to replace it with another. Needless to say, I now have no admin access. Halp?
[12:27] <hebz0rl> oCean_, nevermind someone told me that the left picture is a cdrom drive (i think it looks more like an hdd but ok)
[12:27] <zulax> i think i messed up my resolv.conf file, how can i reset it to default?
[12:27] <oCean_> hebz0rl: ah, ok
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> $ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> # Generated by NetworkManager
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> Network manager rewrites mine as it gets new info :)
[12:28] <hebz0rl> oCean_, the logo on the "cd" would really clarify this and it would reflect the logo on the screen on the right if you ask me ^^
[12:28] <anafall> i did that with two bt dongles, but froze the ubuntu os
[12:28] <goxen> I just installed ubuntu 9.10 and it reboots into a blank screen... any clues? this is the amd64 server version.
[12:28] <zulax> Dr_Willis, i have only nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> right now
[12:28] <goxen> under vmware
[12:28] <zulax> previously i had 3 of them i guess
[12:29] <zulax> Dr_Willis, and maybe because of this, i can use internet with ethernet chord,
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> zulax:  all i got is 3 nameserver listings basially
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> first is my router. other 2 are my isps
[12:30] <zulax> i had them as well, now its just one,
[12:30] <zulax> and after i plug my ethernet chord, nothing gets updated
[12:30] <anafall> wireless bluetooth dumb terminal, no one did this before?
[12:31] <hendry> i have allow-hotplug eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces but still it doesn't seem to dhcp a IP when i connect a network cable
[12:31] <goxen> anafall: why bluetooth?
[12:31] <ouyes> hi all
[12:32] <anafall> cause i only need a vt100 terminal for another linux pc
[12:32] <ouyes> is there a tool to encrypt my files except truecrypt?
[12:32] <anafall> my own pc has ubuntu lucid installed
[12:32] <hebz0rl> ouyes, try encfs
[12:32] <lhavelund> So, I've removed my /etc/group file, which means I now no longer have sudo access. Can someone tell me how to restore this? Server version of Ubuntu.
[12:33] <anafall> @ouyes, gpg
[12:33] <goxen> I'm dumping 9.10... its a down grade from 9.04
[12:33] <ouyes> hebz0rl, anafall thanks for your response, but are they GUI?
[12:33] <anafall> gpg is commandline
[12:34] <anafall> but shoud has gui frontend, just google it
[12:34] <kish> okay im ba k
[12:34] <hebz0rl> ouyes, encfs has kencfs but didnt try it
[12:34] <kish> i have all those nasty kde programs installed
[12:35] <sacarlson> ouyes: I use some plugin on gedit that encrypts and decypts just one file at a time.  Is that what you want?
[12:35] <ouyes> GUI based and cross-platform(means It works both under ubuntu and windows),
[12:35] <ouyes> sacarlson, nope
[12:36] <hebz0rl> ouyes, encfs is *nix only i think gpg is the way to go then
[12:36] <anafall> who could solve my problem ?
[12:37] <sacarlson> ouyes: wow I see my nautilus can encypt and decrypt too but not sure nautilus runs in windows.
[12:37] <anafall> use my linux pc as a dumb terminal for another linux pc with two bluetooth dongles
[12:37] <anafall> wirelessly
[12:37] <kish> doing apt-get autoremove now, mgt_90
[12:37] <hebz0rl> sacarlson, there should be other guis for windows which use gpg
[12:37] <kish> i still have stuff like okular and konqueror installed
[12:38] <kish> dont like those at all!
[12:38] <sacarlson> ouyes: oh and it's gpg encryption so I guess there would be somekind of windows gui that would work as hebz0rl says.
[12:38] <mgt_90> kish: Keep the faith.
[12:38] <leeping> Hi there, when I hit CTRL+C at a terminal in Lucid (to clear the command line or to quit a program), it prints out "^C" on the screen.  This is undesired behavior as I often cut + paste in the terminal.. can I turn this off somehow?
[12:38] <iocor> how do I create an account which can only do ssh port forwarding and not execute any commands?
[12:39] <Pirate_Hunter> im tyring to delete files that have been saved as tgz in /var/log/, however I only want the tgz files to be deleted and not the current new one, how would I go about doing so using the command line?
[12:39] <lhavelund> !chroot | iocor
[12:39] <lhavelund> iocor: that might be what you want.
[12:39] <ouyes> thanks you guys, I will design mine
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> Pirate_Hunter:  see if 'ls *.tgz' lists all you want to delete.. and if so 'sudo rm *.tgz'
[12:42] <sacarlson> ouyes: design what?  nautilus not good enuf for you?  ruby has good libs for gpg also if you want some kind of a prototype.
[12:44] <sacarlson> ouyes: and seahorse is the gui to setup the keys.
[12:44] <Pirate_Hunter> Dr_Willis, if I for example tried rm denyhosts.* would that delete the current denyhosts file as well as the tgz?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Pirate_Hunter:  Yes.. test  your patterns with 'ls whatever.*' or 'echo whatever.*' first
[12:46] <sinurge> leeping, it takes a bit to get used to
[12:47] <Pirate_Hunter> Dr_Willis, thanks
[12:47] <ouyes> sacarlson, I will design and code a tool for myself to encrypt files
[12:47] <sacarlson> ouyes: oh and theres wija  the java cross platform tool for gpg
[12:50] <replman> Hi! I have an ubuntu 10.04 server and would like it to automount usb-devices automatically (into /media?)
[12:50] <sacarlson> replman: seems mine does that by default in 10.04
[12:51] <replman> sacarlson: do you have the server version?
[12:51] <sacarlson> replman: oh but mine is desktop
[12:51] <realubot> Ubuntu's Update Manager sometimes hangs when I click Install. The wheel is rotating but the password dialog window never pops up. Why is doing like this?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> replman:  check the package manager. I recall there being some automount services you could use. but ive never tried them
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> AUtomounting is handled by gnome or kde services i thought.
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> replman:  you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server also.
[12:52] <replman> Dr_Willis: ah, that might be the reason why the server version doesnt do it
[12:52] <ouyes> sacarlson, thanks
[12:52] <replman> That's a good idea, thank you
[12:52] <DasEi> replman: it's automount,  set /dev/usb to /media in it's conf
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> replman:  yep. I think ther eare some extra serices you can install to do it.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> !info automount
[12:53] <DasEi> !automount
[12:53] <DasEi> so autofs is packagename
[12:53] <replman> DasEi: in wiki.ubuntuusers.de they say one shouldn't use /media because this directory will be blocked then
[12:54] <sacarlson> replman: I think it's avahi-daemon
[12:54] <DasEi> replman: fo a certain type of mount, like just usb's landing there, but can create any mountpoint you like, like /media/usb
[12:55] <sacarlson> replman: nope I think I'm wrong  let me look again
[12:55] <replman> looks like i have to install the autofs package?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> !info autofs
[12:59] <replman> now i installed autofs and a process "automount" is running
[13:00] <Laurenceb> hi
[13:01] <Laurenceb> i have an issue with wifi on an acer aspire 5100
[13:01]  * tangentcollision gags
[13:01] <sacarlson> replman: so your happy?  I think I found something.  seems the process is called hald but I can't find the package that installs it.  maybe autofs installed the hald demon
[13:01] <tangentcollision> christ, I just got over telling someone how nasty acer aspires were
[13:02] <replman> just trying...
[13:02] <Laurenceb> its got an Atheros card
[13:02] <sacarlson> replman: otherwise you might need to find what package hald is in
[13:02] <Laurenceb> the wifi works ok if im just using a bit of bandwidth - a few kbps
[13:03] <philinux> tangentcollision: Are they better now
[13:03] <Laurenceb> anything more than that, say a webpage is loading, and it will start going really slow then disconnecting
[13:03] <DasEi> sacarlson: hal is depreciated
[13:03] <Laurenceb> problem repeats a few times then i cant connect at all, only solved by rebooting the machine
[13:04] <Laurenceb> and ideas?
[13:04] <anafall> Hi! How to use one linux pc as a dumb terminal for another linux pc with two bluetooth dongles wirelessly ?
[13:04] <Laurenceb> irc works ok, presumably as its not using a lot of badwidth
[13:05] <sacarlson> DasEi: well it's still installed and running on my ubuntu 10.04.  what replaces it.  and the package I found for hald is hal
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> I thught hal got replaced in 10.04
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> or it was being phased out for the most part
[13:05] <tangentcollision> udev events now control us all!
[13:05] <bogdomania> cheers guys.. i set the sys locale to romanian. the kbd also.. but i get a glitch .. in romanian, the letter t is followed by a t with cedilla ..the point is, the symbol itself is recognized,but diformed..can i custom modify the combination Alt + t to another symbol? i need it while working in openoffice
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> !hal
[13:05] <sacarlson> Dr_Willis: with what another package called hal?
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> !udev
[13:06] <tangentcollision> +-+ anxiety is killing me! I wish that testdisk was faster :P
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> !info udev
[13:07] <vagvaf> can anyone help me to set up a vpn connection with network manager?
[13:07] <replman> looks like usbmount is what i'm searching for
[13:07] <replman> autofs didn't work adhoc
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> replman:  i think the other can do NFS and samba and other things also -
[13:08] <sacarlson> Dr_Willis: ok I see that running on my system also udevd several times
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> adhoc wireless?
[13:08] <megt_19> hi !
[13:10] <megt_19> i want to learn something about linux dists. is it safe for us to use adblock, noscripts add ons for our open-source brosers ?l
[13:10] <tangentcollision> yes
[13:10] <tangentcollision> why would it not be?
[13:10] <oxidkor> hello I have a question - why ubuntu does NOT have the /opt directory in its file system hierarchy?
[13:10] <tangentcollision> !info opt
[13:10] <jay_> could someone familiar with tablets take a look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1556698
[13:10] <tangentcollision> you know, I don't know, oxidkor
[13:11] <Flannel> oxidkor: It does
[13:11] <erUSUL> oxidkor: i surely have it
[13:11] <erUSUL> oxidkor: you removed it by mistake?
[13:11] <sacarlson> replman: make sure you have udev installed also.
[13:11] <oxidkor> I am on lucid and I dont see it
[13:11] <anafall> rfcomm
[13:11] <anafall> rfcomm serial console
[13:11] <megt_19>  tangentcollision you told me ?
[13:11] <erUSUL> oxidkor: sudo mkdir /opt/
[13:12] <erUSUL> oxidkor: there i fixed that for you
[13:12] <oxidkor> erUSUL: that way will do?
[13:12] <oxidkor> is that easy?
[13:12] <oxidkor> :)
[13:12] <tangentcollision> megt_19: I told you what?
[13:13] <tangentcollision> pardon if I don't remember much, my mind is still jarred by the notion that I may have lost an entire terrabyte of information
[13:13] <oxidkor> erUSUL: don't I have to have a some kind of system code in order to make that /opt directory recognizable for the system?
[13:13] <megt_19>  tangentcollision:  ok. nothing... i was wrong..
[13:13] <erUSUL> oxidkor: sure ;)
[13:14] <erUSUL> oxidkor: no; it is just a dir like any other of the system
[13:14] <oxidkor> erUSUL: thanks
[13:14] <tyrus> afternoon guys
[13:14] <tyrus> trust you are well
[13:15] <tyrus> i have a small issue on ubuntu 10.04
[13:15] <BromaxSux> hi all
[13:15] <replman> ah, this usbmount is not bad
[13:15] <replman> all i had to do is apt-get install usbmount
[13:15] <MichealH> tyrus: Ask it :)
[13:15] <tyrus> i did an update yesterday and now my sound isnt working for some strange reason
[13:15] <replman> i didn't recognize that it run already after that
[13:15] <MichealH> tyrus: I has happened to me too
[13:15] <replman> but it automatically mounted my usb device
[13:16] <tyrus> really MichaelH
[13:16] <Maletor> How might I be able to set it up so that I can have just grub2 on a USB stick and then boot to a RAID5 in my computer?
[13:16] <tyrus> and my usb devices arent detecting at all
[13:16] <oxidkor> erUSUL: with your way of creating the directories in the fsh, the same method applies to for instance, /mnt because there is no /mnt either?_
[13:16] <tyrus> am really fiddling around but cant find any reasonable solution
[13:16] <realubot> How do I update Ubuntu from Terminal using aptitude safe-upgrade whitout installing ALL updates avaiable? I wnat to get a list of new updates and be able to exclude some of them.
[13:16] <tyrus> my sound icon also disappeared
[13:17] <Techathy> I've got a bit of a sound problem with ubuntu; playing back a simple sine wave in ubuntu with everything in alsamixer maxed out get a -27db signal & in windows I get a -3db signal. Alsa reports the card is an  HDA Intel with a Realtek ALC888 chipset but while I can find people having the same problem I can't find any information on how to increase the audio output.
[13:17] <jrib> how do I disable encryption of home directories/
[13:17] <tyrus> but the funny thing is that with headphones it works great
[13:17] <tyrus> problem is with the external speakers
[13:17] <MichealH> tyrus: Try http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9435887&postcount=4
[13:17] <tyrus> the sound card is detected and everything in dmsg shows that the card is detected
[13:17] <robbit10> Does anyone know of a program that would keep me updated via Google Reader, in the system tray?
[13:18] <oxidkor> erUSUL: sorry /mnt exits
[13:18] <oxidkor> :P
[13:20] <RoyK> hi all. how can I remove an entry from grub2?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> which entry RoyK ?
[13:21] <Maletor> How might I be able to set it up so that I can have just grub2 on a USB stick and then boot to a RAID5 in my computer?
[13:21] <RoyK> Dr_Willis: this is a laptop with dual boot win7/ubuntu, and grub2 detects a vista partition, which really is a windows install partition, which I do _not_ want to boot from
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> you can install grub2 to a flash drive. and make a custome grub.cfg for it.  But im not sure about how to access the kernelks and boot files from a raid5
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> You could proberly copy all the /boot/ files to the flash drive also
[13:22] <masterjail> Hi, anyone here used foremost anytime?
[13:22] <Maletor> Dr_Willis: When I run the installer could I just select the flash drive as my /boot partition and it should set up grub.cfg correctly?
[13:23] <MichealH> tyrus: Have you tried my link?
[13:23] <MichealH> tyrus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9435887&postcount=
[13:23] <MichealH> *http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9435887&postcount=4
[13:23] <daniel86> hi, I need to disable SMI and I'm afraid that my cpu would overheat, how do I set cpu fan to max speed?
[13:25] <kairoux> bonjour !