[12:14] <Riddell> bdmurray: nothing to install yet :(
[12:14] <Riddell> it didn't compile
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150740 in galculator (universe) "[Gutsy]  Galculator v1.3.1 is out" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150740
[12:18] <bdmurray> Riddell: Hrm?
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150743 in compiz (main) "compiz crashes after update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150743
[12:23] <bdmurray> Riddell: I reverted to konsole version 20.3 in Feisty and it might be fixed
[12:24] <Riddell> that's a good one to go with
[12:25] <Riddell> but 20.5 didn't compile, sigh
[12:25] <bdmurray> Ah, well I don't think I can help out with that.
[12:30] <bdmurray> Riddell: So as long as the test scripts don't crash (while they don't do anything) the bug is fixed?
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150744 in openoffice.org2 (main) "force users to adhere to stylesheets in openoffice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150744
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150745 in gnome-voice-control (universe) "Package is not properly multi-build safe" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150745
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150752 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.80 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /tmp/tmpU5rTBM/backports/usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150752
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150747 in update-notifier (main) "dpkg: error processing update-notifier (--configure):" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150747
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150748 in ubuntu "E: _cache->open() failed," [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150748
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150749 in libcommons-modeler-java (universe) "Please sync libcommons-modeler-java 2.0.1-3  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150749
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150750 in update-notifier (main) "package update-notifier 0.60 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150750
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150751 in libcommons-modeler-java (universe) "[gutsy]  UVFe for libcommons-modeler-java 2.0.1-3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150751
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150753 in hal-info (main) "N800 isn't a music device" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150753
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150755 in tomcat5.5 (universe) "[gutsy]  UVFe for tomcat5.5 5.5.25-1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150755
[01:07] <ubotu> New bug: #150754 in lmms (universe) "Please include patch which fixes security issue and crashes on amd64-platform" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150754
[01:07] <ubotu> New bug: #150758 in ubuntu-meta (main) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.76 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150758
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150759 in update-notifier "update-notifier does not install, update-notifier.schemas not well-formed (dup-of: 150680)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150759
[01:23] <ubotu> New bug: #150760 in bzr-gtk (universe) "bzr-gtk icon " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150760
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #150762 in totem (main) "Graphic are messed up" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150762
[01:29] <ubotu> New bug: #150763 in ubuntu "Acer aspire 5310 Realtek ID 268 no sound" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150763
[01:39] <ubotu> New bug: #150764 in ubuntu "USB camera and USB mouse problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150764
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #150765 in fluxbox (universe) "WISHLIST: Fluxbox1.0.0 Final included in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150765
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150766 in ubuntu "Usability issue during install when setting nonexistent mount point" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150766
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #148793 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in rb_ipod_db_set_ipod_name()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148793
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150234 in gedit (main) "gedit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150234
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150757 in meld (universe) "meld crashed with AssertionError in append_filediff()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150757
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150768 in debconf (main) "kubuntu gutsy beta upgrade terminate on installing debconf " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150768
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150770 in xfonts-scalable (main) "autopkgtest gutsy xfonts-scalable amd64: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150770
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150772 in gtk+2.0 (main) "file picker doesn't cope with disappearing mounts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150772
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150773 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main (main) "Fading Windows plugin  activated, but not working with Magic Lamp animation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150773
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150777 in ubuntu "in gutsy, screen locks on lid close even when gconf option is turned off" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150777
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150775 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[gutsy]  Screen garbling on RC410 Radeon Xpress 200" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150775
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150780 in command-not-found (main) "package command-not-found 0.2.8ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: aliprosessi post-installation script returned errorcode 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150780
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150781 in libvisual (main) "[debdiff]  libvisual is not built with debugging symbols" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150781
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150783 in ubuntu "bug or feature request - kernel: Removing modules do not turn off devices" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150783
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150785 in sound-juicer (main) "Can not play music - all applications exit immediately" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150785
[03:13] <ubotu> New bug: #150786 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Form design Wizard hangs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150786
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150787 in update-manager (main) "Distribution upgrade to 7.10 fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150787
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150788 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "unionfs problems with linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic_2.6.22-13.34_amd64.deb " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150788
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150791 in firefox (main) "firefox package on packages site carries warning about development version" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150791
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #149135 in gthumb "gthumb crashed with SIGSEGV in g_list_remove_link()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149135
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150195 in gthumb (main) "gthumb crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_container_propagate_expose()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150195
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150792 in zope (universe) "Unreasonably hard to get from checkbox name to checkbox value" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150792
[03:57] <ubotu> New bug: #150793 in evince (main) "[gusty]  evince crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150793
[03:57] <ubotu> New bug: #150794 in ubuntu "no driver support for wifi " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150794
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150795 in ubuntu "compiz causes overlays to malfunction" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150795
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150797 in usplash (main) "Intel: usplash must be uninstalled to achieve usable consoles with vga=0x120" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150797
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150796 in metacity (main) "Force Quit should be run at a higher priority than normal applications" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150796
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150801 in update-manager (main) "Could not initialize the package information" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150801
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #150799 in abiword (main) "AbiWord-2.4 crashed with SIGSEGV in fp_Page::setView()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150799
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #150804 in compiz (main) "gutsy compiz.real Segmentation fault (core dumped)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150804
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #150805 in xen-3.1 (main) "domU fails to get network connection" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150805
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150798 in tracker (main) "trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV in strstr() (dup-of: 147348)" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150798
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150806 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in findTopLevelWindowAtScreen()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150806
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #150807 in gpredict (universe) "package gpredict None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gpredict.list]  failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/goocanvas.mo', which is also in package libgoocanvas-common" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150807
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150808 in ubuntu "broadcom wireless only works for short period" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150808
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150810 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150810
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150811 in gedit "missing argument in gedit.language_manager_get_language_from_mime_type" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150811
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150814 in ubuntu "Tracker returns error on search" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150814
[06:08] <ubotu> New bug: #150815 in abiword (main) "save-as PDF produces human readable but not machine readable PDFs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150815
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150817 in nautilus (main) "nautilus preview continously launches gnome-video-thumbnailer on downloading videos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150817
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150819 in ubuntu "wrong time zone for the Canary Islands" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150819
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150822 in partman-auto-loop (main) "Sendsigs.omit is set for mkfs.ntfs-3g as opposed to mkfs.ntfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150822
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150823 in ubuntu "1920x1200 resolution fails on HP LP2465 / NVidia GForce7 when correct monitor is selected." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150823
[06:52] <ubotu> New bug: #150824 in xorg (main) "autopkgtest gutsy xorg amd64: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150824
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150825 in network-config (universe) "Wireless settings aren't saved" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150825
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150827 in powersave (universe) "powersaved should be started after acpid, [Fix included] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150827
[07:50] <kagou> Good morning
[07:51] <mumbly> good morning kagou
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150831 in initramfs-tools (main) "Fails to set sendsig.omit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150831
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[08:17] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150833 in readline5 (main) "readline no longer handles 8 bit character" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150833
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150836 in update-notifier (main) "packages ubuntu-notifier 0.60 failed to install/upgrade (error) and package ubuntu-desktop 1.76 failed to install/upgrade (dependency on update-notifier)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150836
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150838 in ubuntu ""Visual Effects" can't be enabled when using dual monitors" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150838
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150839 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "kernel hangs when initializing network bridge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150839
[08:38] <thekorn> good morning
[08:39] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #132639 in bzr "inconsistent filename checking between 'add' and 'smart_add' (dup-of: 145207)" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132639
[08:41] <thekorn> hello dholbach
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150841 in ubuntu "Sound on toshiba r20 went dead after Gusty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150841
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150842 in ubuntu "[Gutsy]  System Monitor searching for a process doesn't work ok" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150842
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150843 in ubuntu "Wacom stylus went dead after Gusty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150843
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #150844 in pidgin (main) "attemping to run purple-remote recommends wrong package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150844
[09:08] <DarkMageZ> is there a way to declare that one bug depends on another bug being fixed first?
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150846 in ubuntu "Quit button freezes screen but does not present Log out etc. options dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150846
[09:11] <seb128> DarkMageZ: no, just mention it to a comment
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #150847 in ubuntu "[Gutsy]  When using Firefox the chars appear to move when selected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150847
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150848 in dircproxy (universe) "[CVE-2007-5226]  dircproxy segfault on blank /me" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150848
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150851 in miro (universe) "Invalid shared-mime XML file installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150851
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #147443 in totem (main) "totem crashed with signal 7" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147443
[09:47] <ubotu> New bug: #145286 in totem (main) "totem-video-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145286
[09:47] <ubotu> New bug: #146433 in totem (main) "totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146433
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150852 in ubuntu "Please include open-vm-tools" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150852
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150853 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "[Gutsy]  Changing from Intel to i810 without dpkg-reconfigure caused RGBWB screens" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150853
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #150854 in yelp (main) "ghelp:gnome-feedback doesn't work in Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150854
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150855 in egroupware (universe) "[Sync request]  Sync egroupware (1.2.107-2.dfsg-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150855
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150856 in metacity (main) "Metacity has two actions associated to "i" shortcut in cotextual menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150856
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150857 in gnome-panel (main) "autohide on a panel just moves it off the screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150857
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150858 in vim (main) "[vim]  [dapper-backports]  Format string vulnerability in the helptags_one function" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150858
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150859 in ubuntu "Prism Wifi connection losing packets and being slow" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150859
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150835 in xchat-gnome "xchat-gnome crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_is_a()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150835
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150862 in ubuntu "File rename (mv) behaves irregularly with capital letters" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150862
[10:52] <kleinernik> dholbach: could you please have a look at bug #135086, era and i don't know if it is ok to resubscribe this bug to main-sponsor/ if the patch is what you expect?
[10:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135086 in unzip "zipgrep: exit code always 0" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135086
[10:55] <dholbach> kleinernik: you can re-subscribe it yourself; that's fine
[10:55] <kleinernik> dholbach: ok, thank you
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150863 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[gutsy]  horrible performance with ati open source drivers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150863
[10:57] <dholbach> added a comment
[10:57] <dholbach> please ping calc about it, I subscribed him to review it
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150868 in kdepim (main) "Korn is displayed both under "Office" and "Internet" sections in menu." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150868
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150871 in compiz (main) "[Gutsy]  Enabling Desktop Effects hanged, then didn't work, then worked" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150871
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150730 in deskbar-applet "deskbar-applet crashed with SIGSEGV in PyType_Type()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150730
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150872 in ubiquity (main) "Permanent fstab line for removable CDROM clashes with flash drives." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150872
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150341 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150341
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150441 in eog (main) "eog crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_check()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150441
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150873 in kdebase (main) "[KUbuntu 7.04]  Konqueror not showing the bookmark bar anymore" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150873
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150874 in ubuntu "Upgrade Compiz failed when upgrading to Kubutu 7.10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150874
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150875 in gedit (main) "gedit crashes with Segmentation Fault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150875
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150876 in xen-meta (universe) "English error in description" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150876
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150877 in file-roller (main) "Can't extract to non-local directories" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150877
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150878 in update-manager (main) "[kubuntu]  Failed to upgrade Feisty -> Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150878
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150215 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in start_thread()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150215
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #150138 in easytag (universe) "easytag crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150138
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #150879 in ubuntu "ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 - 3D acceleration not working in Gutsy (in Feisty working)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150879
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #150880 in ubuntu "installer needs some logical rework" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150880
[12:27] <ubotu> New bug: #150669 in hydrogen (universe) "When run, Hydrogen displays splash screen and then disappears. Than crash report tool appears." [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150669
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #149733 in fretsonfire (universe) "FretsOnFire.py crashed with error in setMode()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149733
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150661 in ontv (universe) "ontv crashed with OSError in _execute_child()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150661
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150884 in proftpd (universe) "Upstream (debian) patch was not applied to proftpd postrm script" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150884
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150885 in gnome-panel (main) "Request option to remove voice in apps/places/system" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150885
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150888 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet not refresh networks" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150888
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150608 in powertweak (universe) "powertweakd crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150608
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150887 in bughelper (universe) "RFE: add 'atom'-feed output format" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150887
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150889 in ubuntu "Mplayer bug with logitech web quickcam camera" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150889
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150890 in firefox (main) "Firefox doesn't warn when saving file with no permissions in certain conditions" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150890
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150891 in tracker (main) "tracker-search-tool opens with firefox and not my default browser" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150891
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150892 in compiz (main) "[Gutsy]  Two problems with the task switcher in compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150892
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150893 in pigment (universe) "Pigment needs update to 0.3.2 (from 0.3.1)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150893
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150895 in firefox (main) "crash on print preview of specific URL" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150895
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #150896 in firefox (main) "[gutsy]  jnlp link does not open java webstart from firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150896
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150897 in tasksel (main) "tasksel error ondebconf" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150897
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #150899 in xhost (main) "xhost only accepts hosts, and not users (dup-of: 60040)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150899
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #150900 in ubuntu "apt_preferences man page typo" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150900
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150902 in firefox (main) "firefox preferences xml parsing error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150902
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150903 in j2se1.4-i586 (multiverse) "update-manager write: software index is crache" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150903
[01:46] <Hofy> Hello @all
[01:47] <Hofy> Is somebody onle who is able to explain me the ubuntu bug structure?
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Hofy: What do you want to know?
[01:48] <Hofy> I am interested in the workflow, because I use ubuntu normaly and now I read on ubuntuusers that there are a lot of open bugs.
[01:48] <Fujitsu> Hofy: `A lot' is an understatement.
[01:49] <Fujitsu> Hofy: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:49] <Hofy> And I hope that some of them are only doubled and so on
[01:49] <Hofy> I am also able to program c and c++.
[01:50] <Hofy> So is there a little organisation structure which manage people and the normal work flow?
[01:50] <Hofy> I created a launchpad account but what now?
[01:50] <persia> Hofy: We've lots of duplicates, lots that need more information from the submitter (there's not enough there to know how to fix it), and lots that are simple to fix: they just need someone to spend 30 minutes researching them.  You probably want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[01:51] <Hofy> THX I will do.
[01:51] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[01:51] <dholbach> ah sorry :)
[01:51] <dholbach> <--- slow
[01:51] <Hofy> Slow PC ^^
[01:51] <persia> \o/ I didn't type too slowly (for once)
[01:52] <ubotu> New bug: #150905 in xawtv (universe) "Merge xawtv 395.dfsg.1-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150905
[01:54] <persia> Hofy: If you have any questions about bug management, or want a second opinion on something, just ask in here.  If you mention a bug number (like bug #150905), ubotu will produce the description, status, and url.
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150905 in xawtv "Merge xawtv 395.dfsg.1-6 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150905
[01:55] <DarkMageZ> there are currently 32867 bugs in ubuntu open :)
[01:55] <Hofy> Ok, I think I will join the BugSquad, but were I can get more information?
[01:55] <persia> Hofy: What sort of information do you seek?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> DarkMageZ: It's actually more than that.
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150906 in xdg-user-dirs (main) "[gutsy]  VERY bad Desktop location inconsistency with xdg-user dirs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150906
[01:56] <Hofy> Ok I joined just now.
[01:56] <DarkMageZ> Fujitsu, how are you measuring it?
[01:56] <Fujitsu> DarkMageZ: You can't see all the private crashes, and there are other private ones I can't see (I see 33876)
[01:56] <persia> Fujitsu: Why?
[01:56] <Hofy> Is there some kind of prio list what to do or do I habe to search blinded in 32000 bugs?
[01:57] <DarkMageZ> Fujitsu, oh, yeah. forgot about the private bugs :)
[01:57] <Fujitsu> I thought the totals might count them, but apparently not.
[01:57] <persia> Hofy: I recommend either looking one package at a time (pick packages you use), or searching for phrases.  You can also watch here, and visit the new bugs: they tend to have easy things to do first (like checking for confirmation, duplicates, etc.)
[01:58] <Hofy> I think I am also able to fix easy things by my self.
[01:58] <Hofy> So how does that work, what are backports?
[01:59] <persia> The simple way to fix bugs is described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix, but you may want to consider working with the MOTU team to get your fixes into the repositories (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing).  Backports are newer versions of software compiled (or otherwise prepared) for older releases.
[02:00] <Hofy> THX I will read that, too and then spend some times into the bugs. THX for all answers.
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150907 in listen (universe) "Listen dont launch ipod's songs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150907
[02:02] <persia> Hofy: Glad to share: more hands makes the labor lighter :)
[02:02] <Hofy> I know, I work as a programmer and supporter in a software and hardware company and we have some bugs too.
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #150911 in network-manager (main) "[Gutsy]  Network Manager doesn't find the crypt algorithm automatically" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150911
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150908 in gnome-power-manager (main) "brightness popup incorrectly apears for remote users" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150908
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150909 in language-pack-cs (main) "Synaptic u6 jednou b269" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150909
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150910 in openoffice.org (main) "dividing cells in table in oowriter not possible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150910
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #150912 in glipper (universe) "glipper is energy consuming wakes up cpu up to 8/s" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150912
[02:28] <totalwormface> hm
[02:28] <totalwormface> should bugs in programs like firefox which have no link to ubuntu be reported on launchpad or for example in the bug reporting system of firefox?
[02:29] <totalwormface> and how would i know if this is the case
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150913 in ubuntu "screen and graphics crashed after pressing test button" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150913
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150914 in kde-style-qtcurve (universe) "package kde-style-qtcurve None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kde-style-qtcurve.list]  failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kstyle_qtcurve_config.so', which is also in package qtcurve-kde3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150914
[02:30] <`Matir> totalwormface, you could open the bug in launchpad and mozilla and put the bug # in launchpad and it will automatically track updates to the mozilla bug
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150321 in gpsim (universe) "gpsim crashed with SIGSEGV in TimeMilliSeconds::Format()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150321
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150915 in ubuntu "screen and graphics doesn't save any settings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150915
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #150916 in ubuntu "7.10 beta does not recognize widescreen monitor properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150916
[02:35] <totalwormface> you mean with CVE?
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150917 in ubuntu "GTK errors installing and using Netbeans 6 beta 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150917
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #146618 in nssbackup "The file size limitation should not be a recommendation" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146618
[02:42] <ubotu> New bug: #150327 in angrydd (universe) "angrydd.py crashed with AttributeError in __init__() (dup-of: 94299)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150327
[02:42] <ubotu> New bug: #150393 in deluge-torrent (universe) "deluge crashed with DuplicateTorrentError in sync()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150393
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150214 in deluge-torrent (universe) "deluge crashed with TypeError in quit() (dup-of: 148597)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150214
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150218 in straw (universe) "straw crashed with ValueError in index()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150218
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150429 in qtorrent (universe) "qtorrent crashed with AttributeError in __stop() (dup-of: 122619)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150429
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150918 in gnome-control-center (main) "Setting the number of workspaces under compiz does not also  set the keybindings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150918
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #147559 in qgo (universe) "qgo crashed with SIGSEGV in QChar::QChar()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147559
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150135 in qgo (universe) "qgo crashed with SIGSEGV in QChar::QChar()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150135
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150200 in gcin (universe) "gcin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150200
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150919 in apt-watch (universe) "test" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150919
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #150920 in ubuntu "kernel overwrites MAP_PRIVATE mmap" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150920
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #146297 in startupmanager (universe) "startupmanager crashed with TypeError in set_active_theme()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146297
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #146800 in startupmanager (universe) "startupmanager crashed with TypeError in set_splash()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146800
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #149795 in startupmanager (universe) "crashes on login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149795
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150095 in startupmanager (universe) "startupmanager crashes with Python error when starting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150095
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150921 in ubuntu "broadcom netextreme bcm5708 not working on gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150921
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #150922 in bcm43xx-fwcutter (universe) "Restrict Drivers Manager installs firmwares only in the current-version kernel directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150922
[03:08] <ubotu> New bug: #148330 in computertemp (universe) "computertemp crashed with TypeError in update_tooltip()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148330
[03:08] <ubotu> New bug: #148576 in kompozer (universe) "kompozer-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/148576
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150924 in ubuntu "Impossible to change the MAC address of a prism54 PCMCIA card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150924
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150925 in mplayer (multiverse) "upgrade mplayer package to version 1.0rc2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150925
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150926 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "client/libjvm.so missing from amd64" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150926
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #150927 in adept (main) "kubuntu adept_manager --version-upgrade to 7.10 has some confusing dialog messages." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150927
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #150930 in usplash (main) "Black screen, and bad usplash.conf" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150930
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150929 in elisa (universe) "Elisa needs update to 0.3.2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150929
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150932 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "some links in flash do not work (feisty/gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150932
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150933 in firefox (main) "[gutsy] firefox <IP_ADDRESS>?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150933
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #150934 in network-manager (main) "nm-applet will not keep a WPA key. " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150934
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150937 in openoffice.org (main) "Large footnotes don't fit on the screen when mouse is over the number" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150937
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150938 in ubuntu "Screen resolution problems at login screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150938
[03:47] <ubotu> New bug: #150935 in dvdrip (multiverse) "dvdrip very slow in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150935
[03:47] <ubotu> New bug: #150936 in ubuntu-docs (main) "The default firefox start page shows text only" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150936
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150940 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "Print range does not default back to "all" for each seperate document resulting in blank pages being printed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150940
[03:53] <Hobbsee> bug 149995
[03:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149995 in jetty "Please sync jetty (multiverse) from Debian unstable (contrib)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149995
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150943 in ubuntu "[Gutsy]  Toshiba U200 random crashes on shutdown" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150943
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150942 in vnc4 (main) "vnc4server doesn't support glx" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150942
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #150946 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet not reflect connection state" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150946
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #150955 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "autopkgtest gutsy linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150955
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150958 in ubuntu "Paneelilla oli ongelmia sovelman "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet" lataamisessa. (Gutsy Beta)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150958
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150959 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany resizes its window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150959
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150960 in glassfish (multiverse) "glassfish has no startup script" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150960
[04:47] <ubotu> New bug: #150947 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Distorted screen at 60hz, 1440x900: 20% black screen and wrong aspect ratio on intel X3000 (g965)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150947
[04:47] <ubotu> New bug: #150954 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.79 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:I wasn't able to locate file for the libavahi-common-data package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150954
[04:47] <ubotu> New bug: #150956 in ubuntu "debootstrap wrong gusty name" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150956
[04:48] <ubotu> New bug: #150949 in kdebase (main) "KFind not using locate database" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150949
[04:48] <ubotu> New bug: #150950 in ubuntu "[Gutsy]  If boot with a CDROM the system doesn't mount it" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150950
[04:48] <ubotu> New bug: #150952 in libimage-info-perl (universe) "Can't parse image info: short read (2/0) at /usr/share/perl5/Image/Info/JPEG.pm line 54." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150952
[04:48] <ubotu> New bug: #150953 in pidgin (main) "menu item can sometimes do nothing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150953
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #150963 in evolution (main) "evolution should allow me to configure it to not switch emails/folders when space is pressed at the end of a message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150963
[04:51] <bddebian> Boo
[04:51] <ogra> bee
[04:52] <bddebian> :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> argh!  it's bddebian and ogra!
[04:52] <ogra> heh
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #150964 in ubuntu "samba configuration GUI in gnome doesn't check for invalid characters in share name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150964
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150948 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in icalcomponent_new_clone()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150948
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150965 in knetworkmanager (main) "knetwork manager always scans and detects already detected wireless networks" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150965
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150966 in gnome-terminal (main) "openoffice will not load" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150966
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150967 in dia (main) "mispelled word in  dia dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150967
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150968 in network-manager (main) "NetworkManager takes far too long to get a wireless connection on login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150968
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #150969 in restricted-manager (restricted) "sl-modem-daemon _is_ the restricted driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150969
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150970 in restricted-manager (restricted) "description only available in mouseover window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150970
[05:07] <ubotu> New bug: #150971 in ubuntu "Problem printing after last update CUPS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150971
[05:07] <ubotu> New bug: #150972 in ubuntu "[UNMETDEPS]  gcc-3.3-base and gcc-4.2-base" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150972
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150980 in compiz (main) "Window disappears while moving them between workspaces" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150980
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150981 in ubiquity (main) "During install, primary Windows partition skipped in grub.conf - thinkpad x60" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150981
[05:37] <ubotu> New bug: #150982 in pidgin (main) "sound outgoing messages not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150982
[05:37] <ubotu> New bug: #150983 in ubuntu "no device drivers for t-mobile web 'n' walk" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150983
[05:37] <ubotu> New bug: #150984 in gnome-utils (main) "Title of the 'Similar words' frame in gnome-dictionary gets overlapped by the Close Frame and Sort icons, when the frame is re-sized" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150984
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150985 in ghostscript (main) "Printer setup tools list PPDs for which there are no driver executables in Ubuntu" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150985
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #150989 in ubuntu "Wrong resolution for HD widescreen in Gutsy with nvidia" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150989
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150992 in ubuntu "Black Tool Tips" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150992
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150995 in hal (main) "runs too fast,like running old dos games on new computer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150995
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #150996 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "No support for Novatel U727 EVDO modem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150996
[06:14] <bdmurray> seb128: re bug 150626 should that be on the updated system?
[06:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150626 in gaim "gaim-data failed to upgrade during dist upgrade of Edubuntu to Gutsy" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150626
[06:19] <seb128> bdmurray: you can try if it still gives an error
[06:19] <seb128> bdmurray: that would be to run immediatly after the error
[06:22] <bdmurray> seb128: Do you think it is worth putting much time into?
[06:22] <bdmurray> I'm not sure I have a snapshot so would have to upgrade again
[06:23] <seb128> bdmurray: if you don't get an error when running the command now, no
[06:23] <seb128> that's likely a local corruption
[06:23] <seb128> or you who removed the schemas
[06:23] <seb128> or something like that
[06:23] <seb128> we would have received other bug if that was a package issue
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #150894 in ubuntu "[Usability/Security]  Inconsistency in password handling during login and session. A problem related to languge settings." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150894
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #150998 in compiz (main) "Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon compiz crashes Tribe 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150998
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #150999 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in mov_build_index()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150999
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #151000 in gedit (main) "gedit crashed with SIGSEGV in gedit_language_manager_list_languages_sorted()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151000
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #150122 in totem (main) "anytime" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150122
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #151001 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (main) "expert mode option hard to find" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151001
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #151002 in gparted (main) "gparted has SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151002
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #151003 in banshee (universe) "banshee crashes on usb flash drive mount (Gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151003
[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #151005 in compiz (main) "Compiz cannot launch kwin on crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151005
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #149843 in ubuntu "ubuntu gusty gibbon goes to a  console like screen when restarted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149843
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150048 in debian-installer (main) "apllet" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150048
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #150103 in sound-juicer (main) "Apparent corruption after ripping Sony/EMI copy controlled CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150103
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #151006 in rhythmbox (main) "resizing "collection" window icon growth strangeness" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151006
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #150263 in vino (main) "vino-server ignores hosts.deny and hosts.allow rules" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150263
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #149716 in rhythmbox (main) "cuando detengo la msica y cierro, se activa y sigue tocando y se cierra la apliacion cuando la vuelvo abrir se rompe y se cierra" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149716
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #149740 in ubuntu "Cant update in gusty gibbon" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/149740
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151011 in update-manager-core (main) "do-release-upgrade does not provide guidance after view details" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151011
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151012 in ubuntu "[Gusty]  reboot frozen when update on kubuntu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151012
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151013 in ubuntu "can't boot linux-image-2.6.22 ppc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151013
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151015 in bughelper (universe) "Broken packaging in Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151015
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #151016 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "New in 2.6.22-13: No video after resume from suspend on MacBook" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151016
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150383 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox hung my computer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150383
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #151019 in ubuntu "Slingshot needs-packaging" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151019
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #151021 in ubuntu "When Using Compiz-fusion effects sometimes Java windows content is empty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151021
[08:03] <ubotu> New bug: #150610 in gdm (main) "google desktop captures gdm login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150610
[08:03] <ubotu> New bug: #151022 in ubuntu "compiz: grey artefacts in window decoration in QT app" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151022
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #151023 in compiz (main) "Double click on title moves window's workspace" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151023
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #151024 in ubuntu "can not install gutsy livecd beta with nvidia graphic card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151024
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #151025 in ubuntu "FAT: Unrecognized mount option "usefree" or missing value" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151025
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #151026 in ubuntu "Multiple-copy printing w/ duplex produces poor results" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151026
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #151028 in thunar-volman (universe) "DVD autoplay fails to match VIDEO_TS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151028
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #151031 in compiz (main) "gnome-panel <IP_ADDRESS> invisible at boot (dup-of: 147943)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151031
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #151032 in gnome-panel (main) "Gnome panel "remembers" the entries of the last start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151032
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #151033 in devscripts (main) "debchange produces perl error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151033
[08:57] <ubotu> New bug: #151035 in ginac (universe) "pkg-config --cflags does not give /usr/include/ginac" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151035
[08:57] <ubotu> New bug: #151036 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "amarok crash after gutsy install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151036
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #151038 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic 2.6.22-13.34 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151038
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #151040 in gnome-session (main) "Desktop starts to load but fails to load completely upon login/logout" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151040
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #151041 in ubuntu "Broadcom firmware not copied to updated kernels (Ubuntu 7.10 beta)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151041
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #151042 in hal (main) "blinking screen (light intensity) on cold bood under X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151042
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #151043 in ubuntu "gutsy - freeze after kde-logout with intel915gm" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151043
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151045 in libxml2 (main) "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151045
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #151046 in ubuntu "blender windowed is not windowed with compiz enable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151046
[09:30] <mattb0611> hello
[09:32] <mattb0611> is anyone around right now?
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #151050 in ubuntu "USB core crash. Irq7 error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151050
[09:36] <bdmurray> mattb0611: sure enough
[09:37] <mattb0611> so I'm curious to know if there's any way I can help out. I know it's probably a rather hectic time...
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #151047 in gtk-sharp (universe) "vte# segfaults when the Vte.Teminal.Commit signal is used" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151047
[09:39] <ubotu> New bug: #151048 in moblin-image-creator (universe) "Image Creator should run tar in quiet mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151048
[09:39] <bdmurray> Sure, there are lots of ways that you can help out.  Is there something in particular you are interested in?  We are currently testing daily builds of the installation CDs for Gutsy.  There are also plenty of bugs that need triaging.
[09:39] <mattb0611> Triaging in particular is something I'd be interested in
[09:40] <mattb0611> I read some of the wiki info on triaging
[09:40] <mattb0611> but I'm still uncertain as to what would actually be helpful and what would hinder
[09:40] <mattb0611> so I figured I'd stop by, though I have to leave in about 10 minutes.
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #151051 in ubiquity (main) "ubiquity crashed with NameError in run()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151051
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #151052 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-writer 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151052
[09:42] <bdmurray> Helpful things that can be done are assigning bugs to packages if they do not have one, documenting steps to reproduce a bug, and confirming them if you can recreate the issue.
[09:42] <mattb0611> okay
[09:43] <bdmurray> bug 151050
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151050 in ubuntu "USB core crash. Irq7 error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151050
[09:43] <bdmurray> Do you have time to look at that bug?
[09:44] <mattb0611> sure
[09:44] <mattb0611> about 5 minutes, then class for an hour or so
[09:45] <bdmurray> In the Affects column you will notice that it says Ubuntu
[09:45] <bdmurray> It would be better if the bug affected a package rather than the whole distribution
[09:46] <mattb0611> makes sense
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #151053 in ubuntu "The "Task-bar" Panel & "Main-menu" panels are invisible until I click where they should-be." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151053
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #151054 in compiz (main) "OpenOffice.org applications don't get window decoration in Compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151054
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #151055 in ubuntu "sound control doesn't work on HDA intel (Compaq presario c300)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151055
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #151056 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-common 1:2.3.0~rc1-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151056
[09:46] <bdmurray> Do you have an idea as to what the right package would be?
[09:47] <mattb0611> that seems like a kernel module error
[09:47] <bdmurray> Well, yes the kernel is the best place for that bug report
[09:47] <bdmurray> they are using kernel 2.6.22 so the package would be linux-source-2.6.22
[09:48] <bdmurray> You can change the package by clicking on one of the down arrow things
[09:48] <mattb0611> "also affects distribution/package"?
[09:49] <mattb0611> choose linux-source-2.6.22?
[09:49] <bdmurray> If you click on the status name "New" it will reveal a new menu
[09:50] <bdmurray> In there you will find a Package textbox
[09:50] <bdmurray> It should be empty
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #151058 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-core 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151058
[09:50] <mattb0611> aha.
[09:50] <mattb0611> I see what you're talking about now
[09:50] <bdmurray> So in that box you would put 'linux-source-2.6.22'
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #151057 in openoffice.org (main) "package python-uno 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151057


[00:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#1132 opened: Revert "qbs plugin: add plugin support for the Qt Build Suite (#1079)" <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1132>
[01:41] <james0r> how would i go about moving the snap dir out of my home dir?
[02:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#1120 closed: Update rustup link.  Bug: 1662960 <Created by cholcombe973> <Closed by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1120>
[03:03] <Son_Goku> zyga: ping
[03:24] <Son_Goku> zyga: I found out how to make the selinux policy domain "permissive"
[03:24] <Son_Goku> so now it won't completely shut down snapd when it violates policy
[03:25] <Son_Goku> https://gitlab.com/Conan_Kudo/snapcore-selinux/commit/4566045b2d4ab6d72cc8991814753997a53f6377
[03:33] <Son_Goku> anyway, "snap run hello" works in enforcing mode now
[03:33] <Son_Goku> the AVC denials are still made, but the thing doesn't break
[03:34] <Son_Goku> zyga: now, you need to update snapd to the latest version and refresh all the patches for snap-confine and snapd
[03:34] <Son_Goku> and we're *finally* pushing this out to F24+
[03:35] <Son_Goku> and we need to retire snap-confine and obsolete it with a snap-confine provided by snapd source package
[03:36] <Son_Goku> zyga: when I wake up tomorrow morning, I hope to see all of this done ;)
[06:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#1133 opened: tests: fix the test that was modifying the environment variables <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1133>
[06:40] <mup> PR snapd#2819 closed: packaging/ubuntu-14.04: inform user how to extend PATH with /snap/bin <Created by vosst> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2819>
[07:27] <zyga> Son_Goku: \o/
[07:28] <zyga> Son_Goku: I'm going to the doctor now, I'll check back later
[07:28] <zyga> Son_Goku: let's try to roll out the package if we can this weekend
[08:12] <mardy> pstolowski: hi! So... I tried again with a working snapd, but I still get the same message: error: cannot add authorization: open /home/mardy/.snap/auth.json: permission denied
[08:12] <mardy> pstolowski: any idea what the message is about?
[08:14] <pstolowski> mardy, hmm that's a macaroon file used for connections with the store. are the permissions of the file correct? are you trying to do anything unusual from the hooks?
[08:15] <mardy> pstolowski: no, just snapctl :-) Let me have a look at the file...
[08:16] <pstolowski> mardy, this auth file is owned by regular user and permissions are 0600 here on my box
[08:16] <mardy> pstolowski: it's -rw------- for mardy.mardy (my user)
[08:17] <pstolowski> mardy, yeah, that's fine. does journalctl shows anything interesting?
[08:19] <mardy> pstolowski: a few denials, let me paste them...
[08:20] <mardy> pstolowski: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23965752/
[08:22] <pstolowski> mardy, yeah, these are "expected" and we have a bug opened to get rid of them (we needlessly try to connect to that socket)
[08:22] <pstolowski> mardy, but that doesn't cause any issues
[08:23] <pstolowski> mardy, can you push all your changes to that branch you gave me earlier?
[08:23] <mardy> pstolowski: yup
[08:24] <mardy> pstolowski: all pushed to lp:~mardy/webapps-core/iface-hook-test
[08:24] <mardy> pstolowski: let me also push my snapd branch, where I've added the online-accounts interface...
[08:26] <mardy> pstolowski: this is my snapd branch: https://github.com/mardy/snapd/tree/hook-test
[08:26] <pstolowski> ok
[08:26] <mardy> pstolowski: it's snapd master from today, + your branch, + the OA interface
[08:29] <pstolowski> mardy, and what do you do to trigger that error?
[08:33] <imexil> Hi, I was wondering, is there a website where I can browse current registered snaps and see which account they are maintained by?
[08:35] <imexil> Also how can one overtake the maintenance of a snap package that was pushed earlier by another dev that no longer has an interest in maintaining them and agrees to give the rights to me.
[08:35] <pstolowski> mardy, also.. do you have encrypted home?
[08:36] <mardy> pstolowski: the error is triggered when I connect the interface
[08:36] <mardy> pstolowski: no encrypted home here
[08:36] <pstolowski> mardy, do normal store ops (installing snaps from store) work?
[08:57] <imexil> ogra_,  popey: FYI The kind of feedback I was already assuming from upstream regarding yesterdays discussion/help from you: https://github.com/otfried/ipe-tools/pull/24#issuecomment-278880408
[08:57] <mup> PR otfried/ipe-tools#24: Upgrade snap to version 7.2.7 <Created by dietmarw> <Merged by otfried> <https://github.com/otfried/ipe-tools/pull/24>
[08:58] <pstolowski> mardy, when you say you trigger it when you connect the interface, do you mean you see it immediately on 'snap connect ...', or on any other operation, *after* the interface was connected?
[09:04] <mup> PR snapd#2828 opened: tests: increase service retries <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2828>
[09:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#1129 closed: 96boards: fix the dragonboard example <Created by piso77> <Closed by piso77> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1129>
[09:56] <zyga> re
[10:17] <mardy> pstolowski: sorry, somehow missed your pings :-)
[10:17] <mardy> pstolowski: yes, I can install snaps from the store (just installed the snappy-debug one)
[10:17] <mardy> pstolowski: I see it immediately
[10:18] <mardy> pstolowski: I presume it's part of the stderr of snapctl, but that's only my guess
[10:23] <mvo> mardy: you are on classic, right? not on an ubuntu-core only system? what is the output of snap version?
[10:23] <pstolowski> mardy, doesnt that happen only if interface hooks are in use? do you see it with other connect?
[10:24] <pstolowski> mvo, fyi, he is plying with my hooks branch, and they are using snapctl
[10:24] <mardy> mvo: classic, zesty
[10:24] <mardy> pstolowski: let me try to remote the call to snapctl
[10:24] <mvo> mardy: and snapctl gives you this error?
[10:28] <mardy> mvo: I think it's coming from invoking snapctl from within the hook; if I remove that call, then the error goes away
[10:28] <mardy> pstolowski: ^
[10:29] <mvo> mardy: we fixed this about a week ago but you may need to ensure that your snapctl is the one coming from the branch
[10:29] <pstolowski> mardy, ok, so we've been discussing it via telegram, apparently this was fixed ~week ago; are you up-to-date?
[10:35] <mardy> mvo, pstolowski: right, I only rebuilt snapd, not snapctl; let me try...
[10:38] <mardy> mvo, pstolowski: still getting the same... can you please point me at the commit which fixes it, to make sure that I have it?
[10:39] <mvo> mardy: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2756
[10:40] <mup> PR snapd#2756: snapctl: add config in client to disable auth and use it in snapctl <Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2756>
[10:40] <mvo> mardy: thinking about this, I think you get the snapctl from the core snap. please try "sudo snap refresh core --edge"
[10:41] <mvo> mardy: that should give you the latest up-to-date snapctl
[10:42] <sborovkov> jdstrand: hi, follow up question to my yesterday's question about dbus. I tried the solution you described but I was getting errors when installing snaps about plugs and slots having the same name. Now I changed yaml to this. Did I understand correctly what needs to be done for it to work? https://hastebin.com/ovuxiqiciz.http
[10:44] <mardy> mvo: mmm... updated, but I still get the same error
[10:45] <mvo> mardy: hrm, what do you see with "snap version"?
[10:45] <mup> PR snapd#2829 opened: tests: add libvirt interface spread test <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2829>
[10:47] <mardy> snap    2.22+17.04
[10:47] <mardy> snapd   unknown
[10:47] <mardy> series  16
[10:47] <mardy> ubuntu  17.04
[10:47] <mardy> mvo: ^
[10:57] <mvo> mardy: let me investigate this a bit more. as a workaround you can do "mount  -o bind /usr/bin/snapctl /snap/core/current/usr/bin/snapctl"
[10:57] <mvo> mardy: or instead of /usr/bin/snapctl your own build of it
[10:59] <mardy> mvo: mmm... still the same
[10:59] <mardy> mvo: I'll now try with my own build
[11:00] <pedronis> snapd unknown ?
[11:00] <mvo> pedronis: I think he is running from a build dir
[11:01] <mardy> mvo: oh, if I bind-mount the one I've built, then it works
[11:02] <pedronis> mvo: doesn't that then use the one outside
[11:02] <mvo> mardy: yay
[11:02] <mardy> mvo: maybe the fix did not land to the core snap yet?
[11:02] <mardy> mvo, pstolowski: anyway, thanks a lot! Now I've something to work on :-)
[11:02] <mvo> mardy: I will check that, it should be but obviously there is a disconnect between theory and reality
[11:03] <pstolowski> mvo, thanks for looking at that!
[11:08] <mup> PR snapd#2236 closed: interfaces: add realsense interface <Decaying> <Created by swem> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2236>
[11:15] <Son_Goku> mvo, morning!
[11:15] <mvo> hey Son_Goku
[11:15] <Son_Goku> how are you? :)
[11:16] <mvo> Son_Goku: good, thank you! how are you?
[11:16] <Son_Goku> a bit groggy, but otherwise fine
[11:17] <mvo> Son_Goku: ha! I share that feeling, I need a cup of tea :)
[11:17] <Son_Goku> hehe
[11:17] <Son_Goku> I'm pleased that we'll *finally* be able to release snapd into Fedora, though
[11:17] <Son_Goku> unfortunately, I can't do it because there's a bunch of patches that need to be rediffed for snap-confine and snapd, and possibly more patches
[11:18] <Son_Goku> and unfortunately, none of the patches can be upstreamed :(
[11:18] <zyga> Son_Goku: hey
[11:18] <zyga> Son_Goku: I can help
[11:19] <Son_Goku> I mean, you're going to have to do it :/
[11:19] <Son_Goku> we're so far behind
[11:19] <mvo> Son_Goku: meh, that is sad. at the same time, super exciting that it can go in now
[11:19] <zyga> Son_Goku: I think we need to ship snap-confine setuid root, I've been digging through the kernel but I didn't find the test that fails without it
[11:19] <Son_Goku> you *can* use setuid
[11:19] <Son_Goku> it's just not preferred
[11:19] <zyga> Son_Goku: oh, in that case one issue less off the table
[11:19] <Son_Goku> file a bug about the cap issue against snapd and we'll switch back once it's fixed
[11:20] <zyga> Son_Goku: I think we can figure out the caps but I don't want it to block the release
[11:20] <zyga> Son_Goku: yes, I filed it...
[11:20] <zyga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1657099
[11:20] <mup> Bug #1657099:  snap-confine cannot perform namespace capture even with CAP_SYS_ADMIN <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1657099>
[11:20] <zyga> that's the issue
[11:21] <zyga> Son_Goku: btw, did you try to refresh the package to 2.22?
[11:21] <Son_Goku> not yet
[11:22] <Son_Goku> I just figured out the selinux policy thing before going to sleep
[11:22] <zyga> Son_Goku: that's great news, my fedora box is so lonely without snaps :/
[11:22] <zyga> Son_Goku: I found a way to run snaps with classic confinement on fedora
[11:22] <zyga> Son_Goku: I didn't code the patch yet but I will as soon as I'm done with content
[11:22] <Son_Goku> so, it's not a real solution, but it means that AVC denials won't block snapd
[11:22] <zyga> Son_Goku: let's do that, we can iterate on the policy
[11:23] <zyga> Son_Goku: but not without being able to use it at the same time
[11:23] <Son_Goku> that's the point of it :)
[11:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#1135 opened: kernel plugin: if dtb target == NULL and arch == (arm||arm64), build and install all dtbs <Created by piso77> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1135>
[11:23] <Son_Goku> we should have done it in the beginning, but I didn't know about it
[11:23] <zyga> Son_Goku: I've been fixing some issues in the content interface but this is dragging on due to extra complexity
[11:23] <Son_Goku> and no one told me
[11:23] <Son_Goku> I stumbled on it, and realized it resolved our problem
[11:25] <Son_Goku> I also have some bad-ish news for you regarding openSUSE packaging
[11:25] <zyga> Son_Goku: yes?
[11:25] <Son_Goku> they've completely changed how Golang packaging is done
[11:25] <zyga> !!!
[11:25] <zyga> do you have a reference?
[11:25] <Son_Goku> whoo boy do I have one
[11:25] <zyga> and what did they decide upon?
[11:26] <Son_Goku> https://github.com/openSUSE/golang-packaging/pull/5
[11:26] <mup> PR openSUSE/golang-packaging#5: fix for SLE11SP3 <Created by marguerite> <Closed by tboerger> <https://github.com/openSUSE/golang-packaging/pull/5>
[11:26] <Son_Goku> they're now doing the same thing Fedora does
[11:26] <Son_Goku> source code only libraries
[11:27] <Son_Goku> basically, the Docker team and the creator of golang packaging didn't get along
[11:27] <Son_Goku> so the golang packaging creator was forced out, and now openSUSE packaging is closer to Fedora than before
[11:27] <zyga> Son_Goku: oh boy
[11:27] <zyga> Son_Goku: some heavy words fly there
[11:27] <Son_Goku> yeah
[11:28] <Son_Goku> and of course, it's all still undocumented :(
[11:28] <zyga> Son_Goku: after content I should be able to do a deep dive
[11:29] <zyga> Son_Goku: with debian in good hands (CI will be working on Debian soon, I heard)
[11:29] <Son_Goku> bah
[11:29] <zyga> Son_Goku: I plan to split my focus 50/50 on Fedora and Suse
[11:29] <zyga> Son_Goku: and after Fedora is operational see if we can build for derivatives and CentOS
[11:29] <Son_Goku> the only obstacle for RHEL and friends is the go compiler
[11:29] <Son_Goku> if it builds, we're gravy
[11:30] <Son_Goku> golang libraries will need to be refreshed too...
[11:30] <zyga> Son_Goku: ok, let's try to win some packages this week; I'm sick but I can hack on this all weekend if we have a chance to solve the problems
[11:31] <Son_Goku> I'm not sure how available I will be this weekend
[11:31] <zyga> Son_Goku: I didn't follow the drama/discussion closely
[11:32] <Son_Goku> I'm going to be at a hackathon on behalf of my company
[11:32] <zyga> Son_Goku: but I guess I just have to see how it looks like now
[11:32] <zyga> Son_Goku: woot, nice :)
[11:32] <zyga> Son_Goku: maybe next week then
[11:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#1136 opened: kernel plugin: if kernel's target == NULL, use per-arch default target <Created by piso77> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1136>
[11:32] <Son_Goku> zyga: my bit is done :)
[11:32] <Son_Goku> you've got to refresh snapd.spec and patches up to 2.22
[11:33] <Son_Goku> and move snap-confine into being a subpackage of snapd
[11:35] <zyga> Son_Goku: thank you!!
[11:35] <zyga> Son_Goku: I'll see if I can get it to all work tonight
[11:35] <mup> Bug #1663565 opened: Media Keys do not work in strictly confined snaps <isv> <snapd:New> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663565>
[11:35] <zyga> Son_Goku: I'm really happy to see progress in this front
[11:36] <zyga> Son_Goku: btw, what about Mageia?
[11:36] <Son_Goku> keep in mind that you'll need to have snap-confine subpackage "Obsoletes: snap-confine < 1.0.44-3"
[11:36] <zyga> Son_Goku: ok, will do
[11:37] <Son_Goku> as for Mageia, since there's be zero progress on AppArmor upstreaming, it still doesn't work with stock AppArmor :(
[11:37] <Son_Goku> s/be/been/
[11:37] <Son_Goku> so no confinement
[11:37] <Son_Goku> but I can probably get it going derived from the Fedora packages as soon as you've made them and published them
[11:38] <zyga> Son_Goku: there's a lot of progress, look at's what in mainline now
[11:38] <zyga> Son_Goku: it's not all there but a good chunk did land
[11:39] <zyga> Son_Goku: now with the main part out there's been a large number of small fixes (I helped find a few of those :)
[11:39] <zyga> Son_Goku: they are all going up
[11:39] <Son_Goku> anyway, it doesn't matter that much since Mageia has no MAC enablement right now
[11:39] <Son_Goku> that'll have to wait for Mageia 7
[11:39] <zyga> Son_Goku: can packaging from Fedora be used on Mageia?
[11:39] <Son_Goku> yes
[11:39] <zyga> Son_Goku: sounds good
[11:39] <Son_Goku> we follow the same rules as Fedora
[11:41] <Son_Goku> zyga: also /writable will need to be moved, if that's still a thing
[11:41] <zyga> Son_Goku: /writable only exists on core systems
[11:41] <Son_Goku> can it be moved?
[11:42] <zyga> Son_Goku: are you talking about making a all-snap image with mageia base?
[11:42] <zyga> Son_Goku: /writable doesn't show up anywhere on the filesystem
[11:42] <Son_Goku> potentially, yes
[11:42] <zyga> Son_Goku: for a core system it is required and I can explain why
[11:42] <Son_Goku> okay..
[11:42] <zyga> Son_Goku: it could be "moved" but there's little reason to IMHO (but we can explore that later)
[11:43] <Son_Goku> it's not something we'll deal with right now
[11:43] <Son_Goku> I can't make an all-snap system until snapd and snapcraft remove their ubuntu assumptions anyway
[11:51] <zyga> Son_Goku: ogra keeps thinking about buildroot-based base snap
[11:52] <Son_Goku> bah
[11:52] <zyga> Son_Goku: I think we're getting closer to base snaps, maybe around spring?
[11:52] <ogra_> zyga, well, we have better tools in the distro actually :)
[11:52] <zyga> Son_Goku: the idea is that a totally separate base opens up a way to experiment
[11:52] <Son_Goku> I've already made tooling for producing such base snaps :)
[11:52] <ogra_> i think i'd actually use copy_exec() from initramfs-tools with a file list fed into it
[11:53] <Son_Goku> oh, man
[11:53] <Son_Goku> please don't tell me we can't use dracut?!
[11:53] <Son_Goku> and that Ubuntu Core still doesn't use dracut
[11:54] <Son_Goku> Debian has stated their intent to retire initramfs-tools for years
[12:02] <ogra_> Son_Goku, no, we dont use dracut, though there were some changes recently that at least allow you to use it in debian and ubuntu
[12:02] <Son_Goku> :(
[12:03] <Son_Goku> if Ubuntu Core is the Ubuntu of the future, it should be using dracut :/
[12:03] <ogra_> but the above has nothing to do with either ... i just want to use a function from the tools :)
[12:04] <ogra_> copy_exec resolves reverse binary and lib dependencies automatically ... if you use it to put any file in place you get exactly the bare minimum of libs and binaries needed to execute what you copy
[12:05] <ogra_> while buildroot is nice and all i think we should not stop using ubuntu binaries for creating core
[12:06] <Son_Goku> ogra_: well, you can guess what my opinion is :P
[12:06] <ogra_> we want the binaries but drop the overhead a deb package puts upon us and limit the set of shipped things to the bare minimum ...
[12:07] <ogra_> the current design doesnt allow that since we use a build tool that completely relies in dpkg
[12:08] <ogra_> s/in/on
[12:33] <mup> Bug #1663220 changed: Add support to Secret Service APIs <snapd-interface> <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663220>
[12:57] <mup> PR snapd#2723 closed: tests/main: add test case to verify core snap conf option service.ssh.disabled <Created by morphis> <Closed by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2723>
[13:18] <jdstrand> sborovkov: hey, gyi, I'm off today so at best 'in and out' (but mostly out :)
[13:19] <jdstrand> sborovkov: but I saw your question, so, per https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Interfaces#dbus, you need to use 'name' on both sides
[13:19] <jdstrand> sborovkov: your slot looks fine. you need your plugs to also specify 'name: com.screenly'
[13:20] <jdstrand> sborovkov: also, if you want to rename your slot, you can use:
[13:20] <jdstrand> slots:
[13:20] <jdstrand>   something:
[13:20] <jdstrand>     interface: dbus
[13:20] <jdstrand>     name: com.screenly
[13:20] <jdstrand>     bus: system
[13:20] <jdstrand> then your plugs is fine:
[13:20] <jdstrand> plugs:
[13:21] <jdstrand>   somethingelse:
[13:21] <jdstrand>     interface: dbus
[13:21] <jdstrand>     name: com.screenly
[13:21] <jdstrand>     bus: system
[13:25] <zyga> jdstrand: o/
[13:25] <jdstrand> sborovkov: but you need to have one of your apps 'plugs: [ somethingelse ]' and one 'slots: [ something ]'. as it is now, since none of the apps use 'slots', they all get your toplevel slots, and since at least one of your apps 'plugs' stuff, none of them will get 'somethingelse'
[13:25] <jdstrand> sborovkov: see https://git.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/+git/test-hello-dbus/tree/snapcraft.yaml as an example
[13:25] <jdstrand> zyga: hey, not sure you saw, but I'm off today
[13:26] <jdstrand> sborovkov: good luck! there are others here who can help you if I don't see your followup questions :)
[13:26] <zyga> jdstrand: oh, I didn't remember; I'm just saying hi :)
[13:26] <jdstrand> zyga: heh, ok, hi!
[13:26] <zyga> jdstrand: nothing to do today :)
[13:27] <jdstrand> zyga: I think you've conditioned me to expect a code review when you wave at me :P
[13:27] <sborovkov> jdstrand: thanks :)
[13:27] <zyga> jdstrand: I'm sorry; I should give you a hug and beer sometimes :)
[13:27] <zyga> jdstrand: nothing to review :)
[13:28] <jdstrand> zyga: it's fine! :)
[13:44] <sborovkov> Hello, can someone help me out and tell me if I got correct syntax here? Want to expose interface by playlist service. And websocket service calls that interface. https://hastebin.com/foluxekeya.pl
[13:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#1137 opened: Build-depend on git <Created by cjwatson> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1137>
[14:14] <mup> PR snapd#2830 opened: allow core_support interface to modify /etc/default/swapfile <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2830>
[14:24] <mup> Bug #1663615 opened: snap broken out of the box on 16.04.1 <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663615>
[14:44] <mup> PR snapd#2831 opened: interfaces: add missing recvfrom syscall to dbus interface <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2831>
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1663303 changed: Running snapcraft on Ubuntu 14.04  fails with a traceback <isv> <trusty> <Snapcraft:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663303>
[14:48] <sergiusens> slangasek: more like a feature that only works on xenial
[15:01] <mup> PR snapd#2832 opened: interfaces/builtin: add network-setup-control which allows rw access to netplan <Created by morphis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2832>
[15:22] <ara> question for anyone
[15:23] <ara> if you have a daemon that requires plug foo to be connected in order to work
[15:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#1131 closed: lifecycle: hardcode test_core_snap's PATH <Created by kyrofa> <Closed by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1131>
[15:23] <ara> is there a way to tell snapd to start the daemon only when that plug has been connected?
[15:24] <kyrofa> ara, unfortunately no
[15:25] <kyrofa> ara, snapd has no way of knowing that the plug in question is actually required or optional
[15:25] <ara> kyrofa, OK, thanks for confirming
[15:25] <kyrofa> ara, e.g. if you managed to write your service such that the plug only extended its functionality
[15:26] <kyrofa> ara, this is somewhat difficult without seccomp returning ERRNO, but it'll get easier soon
[15:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#1133 closed: tests: fix the test that was modifying the environment variables <Created by elopio> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1133>
[15:51] <joc> elopio: hey, i got odd failures in tests after updating my PR again
[15:53] <didrocks> zyga: hey, are you around? I was able to connect 2 content interfaces which have different "content:" name
[15:55] <kyrofa> didrocks, my gift to you: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-December/002189.html
[15:56] <didrocks> kyrofa: thx! I didn't remember your email :p
[15:57] <kyrofa> didrocks, haha, no problem
[15:57] <kyleN> should I always see the browser-support interface now, for example on pi2? (I don't: snapd version 2.21)
[15:57] <Blu2_> KDE neon to officially support snaps? nice. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/kde-neon-intergrating-snap-apps
[15:59] <seb128> kyrofa, Tony asked on the list but is there a launchpad bug about it?
[16:00] <kyrofa> seb128, not that I logged anyway-- I read that it was a known bug and moved on, but I wonder if it's logged
[16:00] <seb128> :-/
[16:01] <kyleN> kyrofa, should I always see the browser-support interface now, for example on pi2? (I don't: snapd version 2.21)
[16:01] <kyrofa> kyleN, I thought so, but I'm not 100% sure. It's provided by the core snap
[16:02] <kyrofa> kyleN, once ogra_ is off of his call he can help
[16:02] <kyleN> kyrofa, yes its a builtin but I don't see it. I have a client that needs to use it and they don't see it either. do you have a recommended next step I should take?
[16:02] <zyga> didrocks: on a call
[16:02] <kyleN> ok
[16:03] <didrocks> zyga: no worry, kyrofa answered. A bug in content interface that you told "known" ;)
[16:22] <kyleN> kyrofa, ogra_: on browser-support interface not visible, I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1663656
[16:22] <mup> Bug #1663656: browser-support interface not reported <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663656>
[16:22] <ogra_> kyleN, not sure thats actualyl a core interface ... jdstrand would know
[16:23] <ogra_> i think it is tied somehow to unity7/x11
[16:23] <kyleN> kyrofa, ok. looking for pointers & info here to help a client.
[16:23] <ogra_> (which we do not have on the core images)
[16:25] <kyleN> ogra_, hi. ok so I suppose I can dig into why they need that interface and see if there is an existing one they can use, else we are blocked
[16:25] <ogra_> kyleN, well, lets see what jdstrand says perhaps we should have it in core but that might need some extra bits since we dont have any graphics system by default
[16:26] <kyleN> ogra_, ok
[17:06] <EEight> if I want access to a webcam, what should I put in the snap.yaml???
[17:09] <Blu2_> https://snapcraft.io/docs/reference/interfaces
[17:09] <brunch875> EEight: https://snapcraft.io/docs/reference/interfaces
[17:09] <Blu2_> camera
[17:09] <Blu2_> 1 second faster :D
[17:09] <brunch875> blast, I never thought I'd take precisely as long to reply
[17:10] <EEight> This is defined in plugs: right?
[17:11] <Blu2_> yes
[17:11] <Blu2_> https://snapcraft.io/docs/snaps/metadata
[17:14] <brunch875> is it / will it be possible for an user to restrict snap permissions?
[17:15] <brunch875> thinking twice about it, this is a silly question; since it's always possible to re-package the snap, right? :p
[17:15] <kyrofa> brunch875, can you be more specific?
[17:15] <kyrofa> brunch875, no such thing as silly questions!
[17:17] <brunch875> kyrofa: let's say some developer makes some... social media snap which asks for camera permission. And I want to use the whole social-media thing but I'm very concerned that the piece of software might spy me using the camera. Can I decide to deny access to the camera completely, even if the snap requires camera persmissions?
[17:18] <kyrofa> brunch875, oh certainly, one of my favorite features
[17:19] <kyrofa> brunch875, assuming you have any snaps installed, run `snap interfaces`
[17:19] <brunch875> any IRC snap I can fetch?
[17:20] <brunch875> oh, I could try telegram
[17:20] <kyrofa> brunch875, yeah that'll work
[17:20] <ogra_> theer should be a hexchat snap too
[17:20] <ogra_> even from the upstream guys afaik
[17:21] <kyrofa> brunch875, anyway, once you do that, you'll see a list of "slots" on the left and "plugs" on the right
[17:22] <kyrofa> brunch875, snaps are confined by using these (they're called interfaces). Plugs plug into slots
[17:22] <kyrofa> brunch875, so if an app "plugs into" the camera interface, you can simply use `snap disconnect` to break that connection
[17:22] <kyrofa> brunch875, which means it no longer has permission to access the camera
[17:22] <brunch875> nice!
[17:22]  * brunch875 applauds
[17:23] <kyrofa> brunch875, now, take this with a grain of salt: this will deny access, but not all applications will be written to be HAPPY with that
[17:23] <kyrofa> brunch875, ideally the app would just run and say "Ah, can't access the camera, no matter."
[17:23] <EEight> last question, is it true that a snap gets refresh automagically after 24h?
[17:24] <brunch875> and yet applications without exception handling will just [rude remark] themselves
[17:24] <kyrofa> EEight, four times a day, randomly distributed
[17:24] <kyrofa> brunch875, heh
[17:25] <brunch875> this design could allow for fake slots
[17:26] <kyrofa> brunch875, what would that be, technically?
[17:26] <brunch875> well, I was thinking of a fake camera device which was just a video on loop
[17:27] <brunch875> so the snapped application could be fooled to believe it was accessing the camera when it was not
[17:28] <cholcombe> in my snap plugin is it possible to install another snap that is needed to build the snap?
[17:28] <kyrofa> brunch875, that sounds difficult to implement in a generic way
[17:29] <kyrofa> brunch875, but nothing prevents you from writing a snap that provides a camera slot
[17:29] <brunch875> kyrofa: so could I re-route the slot from one snap to another, then?
[17:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#1132 closed: Revert "qbs plugin: add plugin support for the Qt Build Suite (#1079)" <Created by elopio> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1132>
[17:29] <kyrofa> brunch875, yes you can
[17:30] <brunch875> !! So it already is there! Woah
[17:30] <kyrofa> brunch875, just `snap disconnect` it and `snap connect` it to another slot
[17:30] <brunch875> brilliant!
[17:30] <ogra_> sexy, aint it ? :)
[17:30] <elopio> joc: hey, we got a few issues closing this release. Please rebase with master.
[17:30] <kyrofa> brunch875, but it's not that easy-- the camera slot provides apparmor/seccomp snippets to allow hardware access. You'll have to fake that out somehow
[17:30] <brunch875> Wow, I'm really excited about snappy now
[17:31] <ogra_> welcome to the club :)
[17:35] <joc> elopio: we've also noticed that when using master our python parts fail to install
[17:35] <joc> elopio: we get clashes with "RECORD" files
[17:36] <brunch875> oops, apparently starting a line with !! triggered and ubottu edit request, whatever that means :x
[17:36] <joc> elopio: e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23967962/ this doesnt happen with 2.26
[17:38] <elopio> kyrofa: did we change something in the conflicts on this release?
[17:39]  * elopio tries.
[17:41] <cholcombe> elopio, so in the rust plugin i'm thinking that if i snap rustup i can install that and it might help resolve my issue and eliminate the script needed to choose the correct rustup version
[17:42] <elopio> cholcombe: that will make sabdfl very happy.
[17:42] <cholcombe> elopio, can you install a snap in a plugin to help that plugin?  that seems like it wouldn't work?
[17:43] <elopio> cholcombe: that's how we want to support go1.7 in the go plugin. So we haven't done it yet, but we will do it soon.
[17:43] <cholcombe> cool.  is there a bug i can watch for that?
[17:43] <elopio> cholcombe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1616985
[17:43] <mup> Bug #1616985: the go plugin doesn't support go 1.7 <isv> <plugin> <Snapcraft:Confirmed for sergiusens> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616985>
[17:45] <cholcombe> elopio, cool.  any idea when that might land?  just curious it's not critical or anythign
[17:46] <elopio> cholcombe: I think it's on top of the backlog for Sergio, but he's down sick today. Early next week.
[17:46] <cholcombe> elopio, nice.  that's rather quick.  i'll keep an eye on this bug
[17:46] <elopio> cholcombe: however you can play with that. Take a look how we are installing stage-packages, and change that to call snap install instead of apt install.
[17:46] <cholcombe> ok
[17:47] <elopio> that's the gist. The most simple implementation is just that. On debs we do some niceties with caches that would be great to do with snaps, but that can come later.
[17:47] <cholcombe> yeah
[17:48] <mup> PR snapd#2833 opened: many: allow core.refresh.schedule setting <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2833>
[17:48] <cholcombe> yeah i think that gets me out of the jam.  i install the rustup snap for a given architecture and then build as usual
[17:48] <cholcombe> otherwise i'm patching that bash script
[17:53] <EEight> ok last last question: when uploading my snap on myapps.developer.ubuntu.com will it ever be listed in Ubnuntu Software Center (under the Category that I put in the snap.yaml)?
[18:20] <kyrofa> EEight, as long as it is in the stable channel, yes
[18:46] <kyrofa> Hey ogra_ I can't seem to install ubuntu-image from any channel
[18:46] <ogra_> kyrofa, hmm, barry maintains it ... did you try devmode ?
[18:46] <kyrofa> ogra_, "snap not found" for everything. Do you know anything about that? Was it unpublished for some reason?
[18:47] <kyrofa> Wait... it tells me "not found" if I don't use devmode?!
[18:47] <kyrofa> Come on...
[18:47] <ogra_> yeah, thats policy
[18:47] <ogra_> devmode snaps are never listed in find
[18:48] <kyrofa> ogra_, I don't care if they're not listed in find. Non-stable snaps aren't listed either
[18:48] <kyrofa> But if I forgot to pass --devmode, tell me I made a mistake!
[18:48] <ogra_> well, iirc it "is not desired" that find finds anything devmode
[18:49] <kyrofa> ogra_, I'm not finding though... I'm trying to install
[18:49] <ogra_> if it would tell you there is a devmode version that would defeat the purpose
[18:49] <ogra_> well, i think it is the same for install
[18:49] <ogra_> talk to mark or gustavo :)
[18:50] <ogra_> iirc the idea is to discuorage using devmode for actual proted snaps
[18:50] <ogra_> promoted
[18:50] <kyrofa> ogra_, that all makes sense for not showing in find
[18:50] <ogra_> well, but why would install be different here
[18:51] <kyrofa> ogra_, because that implies I know something is there. Particularly when I'm using a non-stable channel
[18:51] <ogra_> well, file a bug and lest see ;)
[18:51] <ogra_> *lets
[18:52] <kyrofa> ogra_, haha, yeah
[18:58] <EEight> patcou01
[18:58] <EEight> it's me
[18:58] <EEight> not a password
[18:58] <EEight> :)
[18:59] <EEight> kyrofa: after how many days will it be listed in ubuntu software center?
[19:00] <kyrofa> EEight, I _think_ as soon as it makes it to stable. If you can find it with `snap find`, I think it'll be in the software center
[19:01] <EEight> I can find it using the search bar in the ubuntu software center & also using snap find, but it's not listed in the Categories (for me Games)
[19:01] <kyrofa> EEight, ahhh, you left that out!
[19:02] <kyrofa> attente, are snaps not sorted into categories in the software center?
[19:03] <EEight> furthermore, i don't like the fact that I need to ask my users to create an ubuntu one account to install my apps... others app in the ubuntu software center (under categories) do not ask this
[19:04] <kyrofa> EEight, I think we all agree with you
[19:04] <kyrofa> EEight, we're working on making that better
[19:04] <kyrofa> EEight, for what it's worth, you can install from the terminal with `sudo snap install <snapname>` with no UO account
[19:06] <EEight> kyrofa: you've been really helpful, thank you. yes i know, but the main idea of deploying to ubuntu was that i would be in the ubuntu software center, simply search in games / kids = install (no terminal, no account)
[19:06] <kyrofa> EEight, of course, understood
[19:08] <kyrofa> EEight, can you please log a bug about the categories against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software ?
[19:14] <elopio> joc: still here?
[19:14] <joc> elopio: for a few mins
[19:15] <elopio> joc: this PR has the fault, but we need it to support classic: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1093/files#diff-258c2f9c12b9527559611776a87d8ba5R26
[19:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#1093: python plugin: do the right thing with classic <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1093>
[19:16] <elopio> joc: could you add those RECORD excludes in your snap before leaving? We'll see if we can fix it before the release, and we will see if it affects others.
[19:16] <elopio> but as you are about to leave, maybe better if you leave a workaround just in case :)
[19:19] <joc> elopio: so you would like one of the integration test snaps to trigger the conflict?
[19:23] <elopio> joc: no, I mean to get https://git.launchpad.net/checkbox-snappy back to green, it needs those exclussions.
[19:24] <joc> oh i see
[19:26] <joc> well i might add it to the integration tests anyway so you don't break it in the future ;)
[19:28] <mup> PR snapd#2513 closed: refactor the dialer init code <Created by teknoraver> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2513>
[19:36] <ryebot> Is there any way to transfer a snap in the store to another owner? Alternatively, rename or delete a snap in the store?
[19:55] <kyrofa> ryebot, nessita might be able to help you with that
[19:56] <ryebot> kyrofa: excellent, thank you :)
[20:47] <elopio> matiasb: do you know what the python RECORD files are for?
[20:50] <elopio> nessita: ^
[20:50] <elopio> I need a python expert :(
[21:22] <Cynerva> zyga: apologies if i'm too late getting back to you, are you still available today to help me with permissions on the kubelet snap?
[22:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#1138 opened: python plugin: exclude the RECORD files <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1138>


[00:03] <luanw> hi
[07:30] <Deano59> on lub's site, it says not to use kernel 5.8 because of bugs... 20.04.2 now comes with 5.8... am I missing something?
[07:38] <Deano59> what kernel are we suppose to use if it ships with 5.8?
[09:07] <kc2bez[m]> Deano59: There were specific issues with the 5.8 kernel and those maybe solved now.
[13:09] <Deano59> kc2bez[m]: maybe? not according to lub's site they're not.
[13:10] <kc2bez[m]> If you follow the links to the Ubuntu Discourse I am pretty sure they are. We need to update our Discourse post.
[13:17] <kc2bez[m]> Deano59: Updated Lubuntu Discourse post: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/solved-focal-and-5-8-hwe-kernel-woes/2134
[13:31] <Maik> That post was from last month when people got the 5.8 kernel on their machines with the updates while they schould not, there we're issues with that specific 5.8 kernel release. Now with the recent <IP_ADDRESS> point release, 5.8.0-44 is shipped as HWE kernel and everything is solved. So it's safe to use the kernel.
[13:31] <Maik> we're/were
[13:41] <Deano59> thanks kc2bez[m] :) pissed off I installed 20.10.... now I should go back to 20.04.2 :D
[13:44] <kc2bez[m]> Deano59: I wouldn't get upset, 20.10 has been good for me. I have had it installed since October. It has a newer version of LXQt so there are some improvements there.
[13:44] <Maik> just keep using 20.10 and keep upgrading until the next LTS, then stick to that...
[13:44] <kc2bez[m]> Exactly
[14:00] <Deano59> kc2bez[m]: yeah I just don't like the idea of only 9 months support :) but I guess I could upgrade when the new one is out April.
[14:01] <Deano59> will the April release be an LTS?
 21.04? No . The LTS version is 22.04
[14:02] <kc2bez[m]> This April release is not a LTS release. I have upgraded this box from 18.10 every interim release. Upgrades have gone well for me.
[14:07] <Deano59> oh :D thanks.
[14:08] <Deano59> I'll see how 20.10 is and the upgrade to 21 - if it's bad I'll just go back to 20.04.2 :D
[14:08] <Maik> LTS release come out every two years
[14:11] <Deano59> thanks for your help kc2bez[m] :)
[14:11] <Deano59> you too, N0um3n0 :)
[14:11] <Deano59> see ya, for now....
[17:18] <cool_skeleton_95> My laptop (which runs Lubuntu 20.04) has a bad battery, so I always keep the brightness very low, but every time that I plug the computer in or restart it, the brightness reverts back to a higher value.  Is there any way to fix this?  Is there a setting that I am missing somewhere?