[00:00] <binaryhat> no .cfg in /etc/nagios-plugins/config/
[00:00] <lifeless> kirkland: squid can do multicast cooperation already, FWIW
[00:00] <kirkland> lifeless: sounds nice;  what does that mean?
[00:02] <lifeless> http://eu.squid-cache.org/Features/MultiCast
[00:03] <lifeless> kirkland: it means you can use a single config, across subnets (or even wans) and have squids autodiscover each other
[00:05] <tigreton> hi
[00:05] <tigreton> could u send me a tutorial for balancing servers pls?
[00:07] <SpamapS> tigreton: there are a lot of things to consider in load balancing
[00:08] <tigreton> i want to create a simple balance, it isn't for a company or a real case, i will study a simple web with balance
[00:09] <SpamapS> tigreton: perhaps the simplest way to do it is with lvs .. http://www.austintek.com/LVS/LVS-HOWTO/
[00:09] <tigreton> and one more thing, 3 vps of 3$ eachone so... jeje
[00:09] <tigreton> lvs i readed it before, ok
[00:09] <tigreton> i see that tutorial
[00:10] <tigreton> could spamamps resume what it does please?
[00:10] <tigreton> An LVS is a group of servers that appear to the client as one large, fast, reliable (highly available) server. The core of the project is the ip_vs code, which runs on the LVS director...
[00:14] <tigreton> i will try lvs and piranha spamaps
[00:14] <tigreton> lvs tutorial is so large, so it isn't simply :( jaja
[00:19] <tigreton> thanks everyone see you tomorrow! ;)
[00:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: for the ConsoleMonitor it is enough to examine time of last modification of /dev/ptmx and interrupts if any right?
[00:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think that's what it does now, right?
[00:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: mostly yes
[00:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: first it does a dev = commands.getoutput("ls -t /dev").split('\n') and then a for over that /dev
[00:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but I don't think that's necessary, is it?
[00:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: the -t sorts by timestamp
[00:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: so the most recently touched files in /dev/ are listed first
[00:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: which makes the for loop faster
[00:24] <andreserl> kirkland, yeah, but many times it shows /dev/shm.. which I don't think would be necessary
[00:25] <kirkland> andreserl: interesting, yeah
[00:25] <kirkland> andreserl: you're right
[00:25] <andreserl> kirkland, ok then ;)
[00:26] <kirkland> andreserl: are your changes pushed yet?
[00:26] <andreserl> lol
[00:26] <kirkland> andreserl: i'm going to grab a beer and hack the tcp monitor :-)
[00:26] <andreserl> kirkland, Today's changes nope
[00:26] <andreserl> i'll push them in a bit as soon as I finish this monitor
[00:27] <andreserl> kirkland, ok :). I'll hack on TestDrive after this.. I';m finally gonna improve the use experience with VirtualBox
[00:31] <binaryhat> SpamapS, no sensors.cfg in /etc/nagios-plugins/config/ after installing  nagios-plugins-extra
[00:37] <kirkland> andreserl: sounds like a plan
[00:42] <andreserl> kirkland, done! Just pushed todays changes. WoL Monitor and Console Monitor are added, supported, but not yet enabled in the config file
[01:00] <jeeves_moss> is there a benchmark tool to figure out how many users my FreeRADIUS server can support?
[01:04] <twb> jeeves_moss: not that I know of.
[01:04] <twb> I don't think radius itself is a very resource-intensive protocol
[01:05] <twb> What are your auth nodes?  modems?
[01:05] <jeeves_moss> twb, it'll be an auth/payment server for hotspots.  the auth nodes are MikroTik routers.
[01:07] <jeeves_moss> twb, the routers are doing the splash page serving, etc.  the server is just the RADIUS box with a LAMP system on it
[01:07] <twb> You don't need LAMP for RADIUS AFAIK
[01:07] <patdk-lap> lamp could make pulling reports from radius easier :)
[01:08] <patdk-lap> assuming he is using mysql backend for radius
[01:08] <twb> If you say so
[01:08] <jeeves_moss> LAMP is to be used for the SugarCRM, and payment systems.
[01:09] <jeeves_moss> it's a dual PIII 1Ghz Xenon system, dual 36.6Gb 10K SCSI 320 drives (raid 1), and 2.5Gb of RAM
[01:10] <patdk-lap> so probably 1000/s
[01:11] <twb> patdk-lap: depends how broken the LAMP load is :P
[01:11] <patdk-lap> heh, it all comes down to the drives :)
[01:11] <jeeves_moss> we're just looking to support ~2,000 users under peak load.  We'll be paying attention to it, so if the load gets bigger, we'll put a bigger box in.  right now, we can only afford a 1U space
[01:12] <patdk-lap> 2,000 users isn't the issue
[01:12] <jeeves_moss> patdk-lap, they're 10K, 36.6Gb Ultra320 drives.
[01:12] <patdk-lap> how aften your users change, does
[01:12] <twb> radius won't give a shit about your drives
[01:12] <jeeves_moss> if they get botlenecked, I'll either put in 15K drives
[01:12] <patdk-lap> twb, writing logging info
[01:12] <twb> patdk-lap: meh
[01:12] <patdk-lap> recording logins, bandwidth usage, logouts, ....
[01:13] <patdk-lap> I use all that info for my radius setup, great for vpn usage tracking :)
[01:13] <twb> patdk-lap: if it can't do that on any old PATA drive, it's badly written
[01:13] <jeeves_moss> so, it should be stable enough for some serious user load?  (keep in mind, all of the login splash screens are served locally from the router/APs)
[01:13] <patdk-lap> jeeves, the radius part will be fine, it can easily do 300-500 LOGIN's per second
[01:13] <patdk-lap> it's the sugarcrm that could be slow
[01:14] <patdk-lap> mainly cause of php, and slow cpu's
[01:14] <patdk-lap> atleast I assume sugarcrm is php, dunno :)
[01:16] <jeeves_moss> sugar will ONLY be used by admin staff to update contact info, bill tracking, etc.  the public will have NO access to it
[01:17] <patdk-lap> then you should be fine
[01:17] <patdk-lap> as long as you tune the backend for radius, reasonably
[01:17] <jeeves_moss> the only dynamic data I can see being used is if a user checks their account standing (usage, billing, etc)
[01:17] <patdk-lap> the more info you get in it, the more the tuning will matter, or purging old info
[01:18] <jeeves_moss> true.
[01:18] <jeeves_moss> I'm look @ mid range 64bit servers with quad drives, and I think after we can afford it, we'll move to a "beast" to handle everything
[01:19] <jeeves_moss> I just don't want to get into a situation where it chokes
[01:19] <jeeves_moss> I just don't want to get into a situation where it chokes
[01:19] <patdk-lap> intel motherboard?
[01:20] <jeeves_moss> I'm trying to throw as much "hardware" @ the problem as I can that we can afford right now so the programmers can have a little bit of time to tune it.  We're close to going live with it.
[01:20] <jeeves_moss> yes, it's an IBM x330
[01:21] <patdk-lap> oh, it's like a little verson of my p3 systems
[01:22] <jeeves_moss> lol.
[01:22] <jeeves_moss> yea.
[01:22] <jeeves_moss> I only paied $20 for it
[01:22] <jeeves_moss> so, the price was right
[01:22] <patdk-lap> 7k for mine
[01:23] <patdk-lap> but that was 12years ago? or so
[01:24] <jeeves_moss> yea.  well, I'm thinking that if she'll support what I need for now, then we'll be good
[01:26] <patdk-lap> whoa, that motherboard doesn't use solid caps?
[01:27] <patdk-lap> I would inspect it carefully, and make sure all the tops of the caps are flat, and none are pushing up
[01:29] <jeeves_moss> went over it with a mag glass.
[01:29] <jeeves_moss> (my background is electronic repair and engineering)
[01:29] <jeeves_moss> this one was the top pic out of a stack of ~12
[01:29] <patdk-lap> I have a stack of reject computers
[01:29] <patdk-lap> replaced anywhere from 6 to 30 caps in each
[01:30] <patdk-lap> all work fine now
[01:30] <patdk-lap> all of them support wol too
[01:30] <patdk-lap> so I use them to lab different things, all remote power on/off
[01:31] <jeeves_moss> cool.
[01:32] <jeeves_moss> I think one of the "scrap" servers has a IBM monitor card in it, so if there is a problem, it'll scream
[01:33] <jeeves_moss> i'll be worth the second IP untill I can get a better box
[01:37] <jeeves_moss> well, as I said, my biggest concern is to get the thing as stable as possible so the programmers can do their thing.
[01:37] <jeeves_moss> has anyone got the IBM RAID monitor to work on a CLI only server?
[01:40] <jeeves_moss> has anyone got the IBM RAID monitor to work on a CLI only server?
[01:41] <patdk-lap> what kind of raid card is it?
[01:41] <jeeves_moss> I think it's the ServeRAID 3L
[01:41] <patdk-lap> adaptec or megaraid?
[01:41] <patdk-lap> I dunno ibm's naming
[01:42] <jeeves_moss> I followed the googled "howto", and it looks like it installs, the service is there, but I can't connect to it remotley from a windows box to admin it (ie. to set up e-mail alerts, fix defunc drives, etc).  It's the Adaptec
[01:42] <patdk-lap> that looks odd
[01:42] <patdk-lap> know what kind of adaptec?
[01:43] <patdk-lap> I would assume the old raidtool one
[01:43] <jeeves_moss> there is a tool that comes on the IBM ServeRAID setup disk
[01:43] <patdk-lap> dpt-i2o-raidutils
[01:43] <patdk-lap> that would be my guess
[01:43] <jeeves_moss> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=597256
[01:44] <patdk-lap> that page is all about sata, nothing at all to do with scsi
[01:46] <jeeves_moss> frack.  one sec.  brb
[01:46] <resno> if i dont to use kvm for virtualization whats the next best option vmware?
[01:47] <patdk-lap> first, that is a pointless question
[01:47] <patdk-lap> you need to know what you want out of it
[01:48] <resno> im looking to run another os
[01:48] <resno> i want to run an asterisk server
[01:49] <patdk-lap> I dunno about put asterisk in a vm as been very good
[01:49] <patdk-lap> cause vm's screw with timing, ans asterisk is time sensitive
[01:53] <resno> patdk-lap: ah... is there a "better" option or will i need to get another machine running
[01:53] <patdk-lap> dunno, depending on what all you have asterisk doing, it might not matter
[01:53] <patdk-lap> but if it's handling audio, it will
[01:54] <patdk-lap> but then, that will also greatly be affected by whatelse the box is doing (or not doing)
[01:55] <resno> ive got it running in virtualbox now, but virtualbox seems to get out of hand
[01:56] <jeeves_moss> patdk-lap, ok, I found the link.  http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=597256
[01:57] <patdk-lap> that is the same link
[01:57] <jeeves_moss> crap.  grrr
[01:58] <jeeves_moss> patdk-lap, http://www.allquests.com/question/1801099/Monitoring-utility-for-IBM-ServeRAID.html
[02:00] <patdk-lap> heh, same deal again :)
[02:01] <jeeves_moss> ugh
[02:01] <patdk-lap> except for the guy asking about the x330 :)
[02:01] <jeeves_moss> yep
[02:01] <patdk-lap> but all that info is for sata version
[02:01] <patdk-lap> I dunno anything about the ibm rebrands
[02:01] <jeeves_moss> basically, I need to know how to use the control software so it will mark a replaced drive as good ans start the rebuild
[02:02] <patdk-lap> I have a bunch of adaptec cards, and just manage them using one of two utilities, depending on if it's i2o based or not
[02:03] <jeeves_moss> hummmm, how can I found out, and what 2 utilities?  my biggest issue is that I had one of the 36.6Gb drives in the mirror fail.  so, I replaced it, and now the dumb card won't rebuild the set.  And I'd like to set up auto mailing so it'll scream if something happens
[02:05] <jeeves_moss> patdk-lap,  what programs do you use?
[02:09] <patdk-lap> dpt-i2o-raidutils
[02:09] <patdk-lap> I can't find the other one, but I haven't ever managed the newer one in linux before (aac based)
[02:10] <jeeves_moss> ahhh,  well, I'm going to try to figure out what's going on with the IBM branded one first.
[02:19] <wizardslovak> hello people
[02:20] <wizardslovak> what kind of requirements would server need to run wordpress, phpbb and website
[02:21] <patdk-lap> 200mhz? 128megs ram? a serial port
[02:22] <wizardslovak> i got ubuntu on virtual
[02:22] <wizardslovak> from system 3.2ghz single core 64bit , 1gb ram , and 40gbs hard drive in raid1
[02:22] <wizardslovak> thats just for server
[02:23] <twb> wizardslovak: to run wordpress your computer should be disconnected from the network
[02:23] <wizardslovak> twb, why ?
[02:23] <twb> wizardslovak: because wordpress has a shitty security record
[02:23] <wizardslovak> ohhh
[02:24] <wizardslovak> twb, so whats good blogging software?
[02:24] <jeeves_moss> patdk-lap, it all depends on if he wants it to run well!
[02:24] <wizardslovak> well yea id love it to run well
[02:24] <twb> wizardslovak: I dunno... ikiwiki?
[02:24] <wizardslovak> i mean it will be for my friends
[02:24] <patdk-lap> run well is relative :)
[02:24] <twb> wizardslovak: something that has a compile process and the HTTP emits static content
[02:24] <patdk-lap> how much user load?
[02:25] <jeeves_moss> wizardslovak, is this a personal one or one you're going to put into production?
[02:25] <wizardslovak> no more then 20-30 ppl
[02:25] <wizardslovak> just personal
[02:25] <wizardslovak> no more then 40 ppl
[02:25] <jeeves_moss> well, Asus makes a small embedded board with a 2Ghz atom on it that's smaller than a PSU
[02:26] <jeeves_moss> we've got one running as a NAS @ the house
[02:26] <wizardslovak> i got quad machine as home server and on it i got vbox with ubuntu server
[02:26] <wizardslovak> and thats how i run it
[02:26] <jeeves_moss> lol, then why are you asking?
[02:27] <jeeves_moss> I'm from the world of "broke as a Mo-Fo".
[02:27] <wizardslovak> just curious if i need
[02:27] <wizardslovak> more for it
[02:27] <jeeves_moss> lol, naaa
[02:27] <wizardslovak> and now twb made me think twice about wordpress
[02:27] <jeeves_moss> yea man.  what are you using it for?
[02:28] <wizardslovak> just personal blogging for me and friends about fishing
[02:28] <wizardslovak> i am curious if it will be good idea to run wordpress and phpbb on same server
[02:29] <jeeves_moss> what are the specs of your current box?
[02:29] <twb> Did you know that every year in the past six years, PHP issues accounted for one quarter to one third of ALL security issues?
[02:29] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Php#cite_ref-45
[02:29] <wizardslovak> twb,  is there any way  i can secure it?
[02:29] <twb> wizardslovak: don't run it
[02:31] <jeeves_moss> wizardslovak, I'll give you an idea.  my little Asus board with a single P4 (3Ghz) on it with 1.5Gb RAM (266) runs 10 domains, e-mail, mysql, FTP, and has VMWare server running on it with 2 Windows VMs running
[02:31] <wizardslovak> twb, no other way?
[02:31] <twb> wizardslovak: IMO no
[02:31] <wizardslovak> Jeepbeats, oh ok , my mainboard is asus
[02:32] <wizardslovak> but thats for ps3 media server ;)
[02:32] <wizardslovak> twb,  so why people run it then ?
[02:32] <twb> wizardslovak: because they don't care about security, or they don't know it's insecure.
[02:32] <twb> wizardslovak: you might as well as "why do people get computer viruses?"
[02:33] <wizardslovak> twb,  so u dont run any php software?
[02:34] <wizardslovak> Jeeves_moss, i tried email but gave it up
[02:35] <jeeves_moss> wizardslovak, lol, why?  it only hurts once
[02:35] <wizardslovak> Jeeves_moss, yea i couldnt figure out so i left it
[02:36] <wizardslovak> and still i am getting used to apache settings
[02:37] <jeeves_moss> wizardslovak, we've all been there @ one point or another, and we still all run to google when we can't figure something out
[02:38] <wizardslovak> well i run first here then to google
[02:38] <wizardslovak> ;)
[02:38] <wizardslovak> and still how many times i read iptables that many times i dont get it
[02:38] <Datz> twb: do you know much about the -virtual kernel package?
[02:38] <jeeves_moss> wizardslovak, do it the other way around.  you piss fewer people off
[02:38] <wizardslovak> if i can ask what kind of security u use?
[02:40] <jeeves_moss> for myself?
[02:40] <wizardslovak> Jeeves_moss, yeap , with those services i am curious what security
[02:40] <jeeves_moss> a large guy named Vinny....
[02:41] <jeeves_moss> ohhhh, you meant on my server.  it's a Cisco PIX535
[02:42] <jeeves_moss> only the required ports are open, and I VPN in @ 128bit encrypt
[02:42] <wizardslovak> oh ok
[02:42] <wizardslovak> i got ufw
[02:42] <wizardslovak> with 3 ports open
[02:42] <wizardslovak> thats all i need
[02:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: still around?
[02:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: tcp monitor done
[02:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: wol monitor not waking system up, though
[02:43] <jeeves_moss> open only as much as you need.  and for everything you open, ask yourself, why am I opening them
[02:43] <wizardslovak> one for apache second for ssh
[02:43] <wizardslovak> thats it
[02:44] <jeeves_moss> well, do you have root login for SSH dissabled?
[02:44] <wizardslovak> nope
[02:44] <jeeves_moss> might want to do that
[02:44] <wizardslovak> good idea
[02:44] <jeeves_moss> also, might want to install fail2ban
[02:45] <wizardslovak> whats that?
[02:45] <jeeves_moss> and set the failed logins low.
[02:45] <jeeves_moss> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail2ban
[02:45] <wizardslovak> ok looks good
[02:45] <jeeves_moss> then, as you open new ports....  enable the modules in fail2ban.
[02:46] <wizardslovak> ok
[02:46] <wizardslovak> sounds good
[02:47] <wizardslovak> btw
[02:47] <jeeves_moss> and look @ the logs to see what's going on from time to time
[02:47] <wizardslovak> if i dissable root login in ssh ,
[02:47] <wizardslovak> i wont be able to do maintenance from time to time usind my laptop
[02:47] <twb> Datz: -virtual is just a .config with no real hardware in it
[02:48] <twb> That is, with drivers disabled
[02:48] <jeeves_moss> wizardslovak, why won't you be able to do maint?
[02:48] <twb> Datz: it's meant for use in domUs
[02:48] <wizardslovak> well lets say install  use apt-get
[02:49] <jeeves_moss> what about it?  if you can SSH into it, then what's the problem?
[02:49] <wizardslovak> if i loggin into system as user
[02:49] <wizardslovak> i still will be able to use sudo command?
[02:50] <jmarsden> wizardslovak: Yes.  PermitRootLogin: no means you cannot *log* *in* as root over ssh, not that you can't sudo once you log in as a normal user.
[02:51] <wizardslovak> ok thank you
[02:51] <jeeves_moss> it makes sure that only a select set of users have root control.
[02:51] <wizardslovak> i am only one user
[02:52] <jeeves_moss> and it's a lot harder to guess other non standard user names.  Root is the defacto standard super user (hence why it's called root), dissable it, and you've taken an "easy shot" out of a hackers attack
[02:52] <wizardslovak> ok dissabled
[02:52] <wizardslovak> ;)
[02:54] <jeeves_moss> good
[02:54] <jeeves_moss> fail2ban installed?
[02:54] <wizardslovak> nah getting into it now
[02:54] <wizardslovak> installed
[02:55] <jeeves_moss> good.
[02:55] <jeeves_moss> now check your firewalls
[02:55] <jeeves_moss> http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scan/
[02:57] <wizardslovak> what range of ports should i scan?
[02:57] <RoyK> ops - reboot..
[02:58] <wizardslovak> got only one responding on port 80
[02:59] <wizardslovak> and ssh port
[03:01]  * RoyK wonders why he is at #ubuntu-server when all the people here are noobs
[03:05] <wizardslovak> ok weird
[03:06] <wizardslovak> after i installed fali2ban i cant loggind to my system
[03:06] <wizardslovak> i am gettting  no route to host
[03:12] <wizardslovak> ok got it
[03:15] <jeeves_moss> lol, see,that was easy
[03:17] <wizardslovak> yea but somehow i lost internet access for my ps3 now
[03:23] <jeeves_moss> lol!!!
[03:59] <bcessa> hi there, I have a remote server using 10.04, today I update openssh and now I can't access the server, the last error msg I get while trying to start ssh was: "Failed to spawn ssh pre-start process: unable to set oom adjustment: Operation not permitted" any ideas on what may the problem be?
[04:00] <twb> bcessa: are you running in openvz or xen or lxc?
[04:00] <twb> bcessa: did you update to a post-.32 kernel?
[04:01] <bcessa> yep, openvz, and no, I to update the kernel itself, I also try this but is not working so far https://secure.intovps.com/knowledgebase/16/How-to-Upgrade-from-Ubuntu-910-to-Ubuntu-1004-LTS.html
[04:01] <twb> bcessa: OK, that's why
[04:01] <twb> bcessa: your VE doesn't have permission to make ssh processes harder to OOM-kill (oom = out of memory)
[04:02] <twb> bcessa: go into /etc/init/ssh.conf and comment out the oom line
[04:05] <bcessa> ok, I try that but is still not working
[04:09] <twb> bcessa: then I can't help you
[04:09] <twb> bcessa: unless you can provide some new information about what's failing now?
[04:11] <bcessa> ok, thnx anyway, information like what? I can provide with any details that will help to fix this, the thing is I don't really know what's the problem, I update 2 servers today and the one in AWS is still working without any problems
[04:11] <twb> bcessa: I don't know
[04:12] <twb> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging ?
[04:20] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool you mean WOLMonitor or the function within the powernapd daemon?
[04:23] <bcessa> ok, thnx anyway, I'll keep looking at this
[04:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, well, i get:
[04:23] <kirkland> 2011-01-24_20:44:11 DEBUG    <UDPMonitor(Thread-1, started<PHONE_NUMBER>48672)> - data packet received
[04:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: but that does not exit the napping sequence
[04:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland let me see
[04:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: what config are you using?
[04:29] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: good question ...
[04:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[04:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: when i restart powernap, i get
[04:31] <kirkland> 2011-01-24_22:30:42 ERROR    <UDPMonitor(Thread-2, started<PHONE_NUMBER>07520)> - failed to config socket [e=[Errno 98] Address already in use]
[04:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: something funny going on
[04:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, cool, it resets the absent time
[04:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: while not sleeping
[04:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: that's good
[04:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: uhmmm  UDPMonitor should not be 7 or 9 :)
[04:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: let's talk about that tomorrow :-)
[04:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think it should
[04:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and should be set to that by default
[04:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: by the config file
[04:33] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's WOLMonitor(.py)
[04:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and then we can disable the WoL monitor
[04:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: maybe, let's chat tomorrow
[04:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the UDP monitor will only listen for *any* packet, while the WoLMonitor will compare that the data received matches the Network Interface
[04:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: ah, right
[04:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: good point
[04:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: but, yeah, that's still a bug, UDPMonitor shoulod not even try to bind 7 or 9 anyways. Will look it tomorrow
[04:35] <RoAkSoAx> and yeah, let's review stuff tomorrow ;)
[04:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: k
[04:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: TCPMonitor is working well
[04:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: powernap not sleeping while i have an ssh connection open
[04:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: but it's not awaking when a new session comes
[04:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: doesn't look like the monitors are running when sleeping
[04:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's cool!! and yeah, will not awake till I rework the event based thingy
[04:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, my changes are pushed
[04:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: they are not just yet. I'm gonna look into that tomorrow though
[04:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[04:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm going write LoadMonitor tomorrow
[04:37] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool :)
[04:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i gotta crash
[04:37] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: g'night
[04:38] <RoAkSoAx> yeah me too. gnight too ;)
[04:42] <Datz> twb: I see. Should -virtual be used in a virtual machine?
[04:43] <twb> Datz: -virtual show NOT be used on non-virtual machiens.
[04:43] <twb> Datz: it doesn't matter if you use a different kernel on a VM
[04:44] <Datz> Ok, well I installed -virtual kernel package for my VM.  It's claimed that bug 570542 has resurrected itself.
[04:48] <Datz> 10.04
[04:48] <Datz> interesting though
[04:51] <Datz> if I purge linux-image-2.6.32-27-server I'll get kernel panic: linux-image-2.6.32-27-server
[04:53] <Datz> so.. idk :P
[04:54] <Datz> er
[04:54] <Datz> http://pastebin.com/qHFY4gN8
[04:54] <Datz> didn't mean to paste package twice
[06:54] <Johnux> Hello all
[07:00] <Johnux> does anyone have any preferences for splunk over landscape? or visa-versa?
[07:52] <mroth_> hello
[07:52] <mroth_> a virtual server is where you run multiple websites or other services out of one box, right?
[07:52] <shauno> that tends to be vhosts or virtual hosts.
[07:52] <shauno> a virtual server tends to refer to virtualization specifically; having entire copies of the OS (or other OSes) running compartmentalized within one physical system
[07:52] <mroth_> i see.
[07:52] <mroth_> ah.
[07:52] <mroth_> what scenario would aperson want to run several OSes on a headless server?
[07:52] <shauno> good question.  I just find it nifty.
[07:53] <mroth_> well, yes, i do too
[07:53] <mroth_> but i read online about KVM
[07:53] <mroth_> is that for running virtual servers or virutal hosts?
[07:53] <shauno> I know at work we have vmware hooked up to our UPSes management software, so we can migrate running (virtual) machines from one rack to another if one rack is going down
[07:53] <shauno> it does open up a whole bunch of options that physical machines don't have
[07:54] <shauno> kvm is for virtualization
[07:54] <mroth_> virtuzliation of servers or hosts
[07:54] <mroth_> heh
[07:54] <shauno> vhosts tend to be specific to server software (eg, the web server, the mailserver, etc) rather than the OS itself
[07:55] <mroth_> right. well i'm asking because i have this old HP laptop i yanked out of its happy, dusty retirement
[07:55] <mroth_> and its now running ubuntu server
[07:55] <mroth_> and i've been playing with web apps and stuff
[07:55] <mroth_> i wanted to know if i could have two websites coming out of the same server
[07:55] <shauno> ah; that'd be vhosts
[07:56] <shauno> do you know what web server it's running?  (eg, apache, nginx, etc)
[07:56] <mroth_> apache
[07:57] <mroth_> i really didn't do much research about the options, is that worth looking into ?
[07:57] <shauno> if it's just something you're using at home, or for a small number of people, apache's a pretty sensible default
[07:58] <shauno> the difference between them tends to come into play a lot more when you're serving huge numbers of requests; you're more likely to hit the limitations of your old laptop first
[07:59] <mroth_> sounds like apache will do fine then
[07:59] <mroth_> does apache have some kind of builtin vhost function?
[07:59] <shauno> it does :)
[08:00] <shauno> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html   has a small bit on it under 'basic settings', and a link to more docs at apache.org
[08:01] <mroth_> is this as simple as telling ender.com to point at my IP address x.x.x.x and then having ender2.com point at x.x.x.x.:8080?
[08:01] <shauno> it can be even easier.  the normal way to do it is with name-based hosts
[08:02] <mroth_> telling vhost1 to pick up requests on port 80 and vhost2 on port 8080
[08:02] <mroth_> i see
[08:02] <mroth_> i will read. thank you.
[08:02] <shauno> see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
[08:03] <shauno> the 'servername' lines let you have configuration that's specific to that name
[08:04] <shauno> hm, that's maybe not the best way to explain it, because they're putting them all in one file there
[08:05] <mroth_> erm...
[08:05] <shauno> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412   is a pretty good crash course (and there's nothing there that isn't equally applicable on ubuntu-server)
[08:06] <mroth_> do you know of any good free domain name sites?
[08:07] <shauno> I think dot.tk is the only one that springs to mind as being free.   you may find dyndns.com as being more applicable if it's being run from home tho
[08:08] <shauno> they won't give you terribly 'pretty' domains (eg, you're not going to get a dotcom), but you get what you pay for
[08:08] <mroth_> will the domain site have any effect on the responsiveness of the site?
[08:09] <mroth_> like, if i registered with dot.tk, would it be slower than if i paid $11 for a yearly godaddy  *.com site?
[08:09] <shauno> who's hosting the dns will have some effect on the first connection (typically in the order of miliseconds).  not the name / domain itself tho
[08:09] <shauno> and nothing that's going to affect it more than running the sites off a laptop :)
[08:10] <mroth_> yeah, fair enough, to be sure
[08:10] <mroth_> but i've learned soooo much from configuring this thing
[08:10] <mroth_> it's crazy
[08:10] <mroth_> i just got my friend's ubuntu server set up
[08:11] <mroth_> it took me days and hours reading
[08:11] <mroth_> we got his set up in hours
[08:11] <mroth_> it was awesome
[08:11] <shauno> I think if you're not learning anything, you're doing it wrong :)
[08:13] <mroth_> if i'm trying to build a timesheet databse application and i want to use mysql as the backend. how do i make the frontend?
[08:14] <shauno> either roll up your sleeves and learn to program, or hit google and start looking for one someone's already made
[08:15] <mroth_> lets say i opt for the former.
[08:15] <mroth_> i want to use python.
[08:15] <mroth_> do i literally just grab a python-for-dummies book and i can make an interface for the database that way?
[08:15] <mroth_> i mean, not so simply
[08:16] <mroth_> but is that it? i don't need a tool to create the graphical part?
[08:16] <shauno> typically, python would do that job too
[08:18] <shauno> eg, if you're planning to do this as a web app, you'd have python (or pretty much any other language) creating the html that's sent to the user's browser.  and then understand the form submissions that the browser is sending back
[08:19] <mroth_> i see.
[08:19] <mroth_> i know html
[08:19] <mroth_> but i'd be hard pressed to code any kind of a reasonable site in html
[08:20] <mroth_> instead i might use a cms like joomla or drupal, or a WYSIWYG editor like screem to make a site
[08:20] <mroth_> are there tools like that for python?
[08:21] <shauno> sort of.  there's things like django, where you create a template that's mostly html.  and then have python use that template to output things
[08:24] <mroth_> the reason i'm talking about python is because there's a free MIT course on it available online
[08:24] <mroth_> thorugh freecourseware
[08:24] <mroth_> but i'm not married to it. do you think it's a good(isH) starter language?
[08:24] <mroth_> scratch that. do you think it's the best starter language? if not, what is?
[08:25] <shauno> I'm not much of a programmer, so not sure I'm the best to judge there.  but I hear good things about it
[08:25] <twb> mroth_: no; you should start with Scheme, and CISC assembly (or C).
[08:25] <mroth_> twb why
[08:25] <shauno> there's quite a few resources tho.  I think that's where python would get my vote at the moment.  you won't be hard pressed to find things
[08:25] <twb> mroth_: and MIT has offered video lectures on first-year Scheme (course 6.001) since the 70s
[08:27] <mroth_> nice
[08:27] <twb> mroth_: because Scheme (or more specifically, the lambda calculus) gives you the pure mathematical/linguistic grounding for language design, and assembly/C gives you a grounding in the pragmatic low-level turing/von neumann hardware.
[08:27] <twb> Unless, of course, you're studying in order to make money -- in which case you should study Python, then Java and C++.
[08:27] <mroth_> what if i was more of a dilletente, and didn't feel the need to know the fundamentals
[08:27] <mroth_> oh yes and you asnwered it before i asked
[08:28] <twb> Those are poorly-designed languages that promote 80s computational ideologies to the exclusion of pedagogy.
[08:28] <mroth_> you sound like a programming teacher yourself
[08:28] <mroth_> and something of a difficult one, at that
[08:28] <mroth_> (:
[08:29] <twb> If by "difficult" you mean I want to fail 80% of first years because *they won't learn*, rather than dumbing down the course so that $university can milk four years of tuition fees out of them -- yes, I am.
[08:30] <mroth_> well i'm considering going back to school for some real computer knowledge
[08:30] <twb> Then I recommend you take either electrical engineering, or pure math
[08:30] <twb> The CS classes are now thoroughly vocational -- even at places like MIT.
[08:31] <mroth_> to be honest, vocational learning doesn't so much bother me
[08:31] <mroth_> as being unable to accomplish my goal due to a lack of preparedness
[08:31] <twb> If you want vocational training you should go to a poly and pay 1/10th the fees
[08:32] <twb> I don't have a problem with that; I have a problem with academic institutions charging for academic training and supplying vocational training.
[08:32] <mroth_> is that to say that a poly school and MIT have the same quality of training supply?
[08:32] <twb> Well, I daresay you get a better class of vocational training at MIT :-)
[08:33] <twb> And there are probably a few of the old guard left out there
[08:33] <mroth_> one would hope.
[08:33] <mroth_> i'm 23. is it too late to learn programming?
[08:34] <mroth_> i went to middle school with kids who dreamt code.
[08:34] <twb> IIRC there's an inverse correlation between age and learning ability.
[08:34] <mroth_> i feel like i may have missed my critical period for programming
[08:34] <twb> I doubt a sufficiently determined 23yo is "too old"
[08:35] <mroth_> very true.
[08:36] <mroth_> see, i hadn't developed a sufficient understanding of the open source world, and its possibilities, until after i had pretty much cemented in my field of study during my undergrad degree
[08:36] <mroth_> now that i'm learning more about it, i find i have a very strong desire to contribute
[08:36] <twb> Most places won't stop you taking a second undergrad course
[08:36] <mroth_> but i feel more than a little useless to a society based on open CODE when i can't create it in the first place
[08:37] <mroth_> no, i know that
[08:37] <mroth_> i can go back, i know that
[08:37] <mroth_> but if i could use the skills i have now, and still be of use
[08:37] <twb> Skills in what field?
[08:38] <mroth_> my degree is in psycology. i have some accounting background.
[08:38] <mroth_> i have sales experience.
[08:38] <mroth_> i'm good in groups. i'm good with people.
[08:38] <mroth_> i'm good with computers, but only insofar as troubleshooting, really.
[08:38] <kerozene> a lot of os projects have woeful ux design
[08:39] <mroth_> quite true.
[08:39] <mroth_> woeful is a well chosen word, in fact
[08:40] <mroth_> in so many ways, too
[08:40] <mroth_> woeful that the ux is bad, yes, but also that it matters as much to the eu as it does
[08:40] <kerozene> that's psychology for you
[08:40] <twb> You could look into cognitive psychology.
[08:41] <twb> That's interdisciplinary
[08:42] <mroth_> what is an open source evangelist
[08:42] <kerozene> more woeful that the devs think their project would be more popular if people 'just gave it a chance'
[08:42] <twb> mroth_: google.com/search?q=define:evangelism
[08:42] <mroth_> it was rhetorical
[08:43] <mroth_> i mean, can i pay my rent evangelizing ubuntu?
[08:43] <twb> kerozene: you may wish to read producingoss.com
[08:43] <twb> mroth_: I doubt it.
[08:44] <twb> mroth_: you might indirectly, as part of a sales team of a company that leans towards FOSS solutions.
[08:44] <mroth_> damn it all, why can't i just work for canonical as a salesman?
[08:44] <twb> e.g. when my boss goes out to DoJ and says "hey, we have a wicked solution for remand centres, and btw it's open source"
[08:45] <twb> mroth_: have you asked them?
[08:45] <mroth_> and there, be taken under wing by some wizened old guard programmer
[08:45] <mroth_> to be taught all the great script-judo
[08:45] <mroth_> well not so directly
[08:45] <mroth_> i have done some quiet googling
[08:46] <mroth_> and alas, those positions are relatively few and far inbetween
[08:46] <twb> http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[08:46] <mroth_> and usually require CS DEGREES
[08:46] <mroth_> which brings me back to my original track, sorta
[08:46] <twb> Most places I know don't require a CS degree.
[08:46] <mroth_> EE at MIT
[08:46] <mroth_> there we go
[08:47] <twb> They might require *a* degree, because that demonstrates your ability to follow through on a long-term project
[08:47] <twb> But it's easier to teach CS to an intelligent, enthusiastic person than to teach intelligence and enthusiasm to a CS graduate
[08:47] <twb> That's my view, anyway.
[08:48] <mroth_> nicely put.
[08:48] <mroth_> to say the least.
[08:48] <twb> It also helps if the hiring committee can go "oh, hey, I recognize that guy from <mailing list>.  He posted a few <interesting things>."
[08:49] <mroth_> a forlorn hope in today's world of multiblogging
[08:49] <mroth_> but a chance nonetheless
[08:49] <mroth_> anyway
[08:49] <mroth_> shauno, twb, kerozene, thank you
[08:50] <mroth_> for your time and your willingness to hear me out, and answer me so well
[08:50] <twb> Shrug.
[08:50] <twb> It's that or do work
[08:50] <mroth_> ha! the truth is out.
[08:51] <mroth_> ok, goodnight.
[08:51] <kerozene> gn mrmist
[08:51] <kerozene> jesus.
[08:51] <kerozene> gn mroth_
[08:51] <mrmist> tab fail :)
[08:52] <twb> I didn't know jesus was even in the channel
[08:52] <shauno> he's everywhere maaaan
[08:52] <twb> Like jedgar
[08:52] <kerozene> jesus and telstra
[08:52] <twb> ha
[08:52] <kerozene> thanks for the link. I did a quick skim; looks interesting
[08:53] <shauno> oh boy.  I really am up too late if you're all australian
[08:53] <kerozene> though I wish it said something about ux :)
[08:53] <twb> Yeah, 7am is bed time
[08:53] <shauno> 9 ;)
[08:53] <twb> Hence: you are up too late
[08:53] <shauno> altho the sun never quite comes out in ireland, so it's difficult to tell sometimes
[08:54] <kerozene> shauno: that's a vicious slur. I'm not australian.. yet
[08:55] <shauno> you have syd in your hostname.  that's australian enough for me.  next step is to admit it to yourself :)
[08:55] <shauno> altho you may want to practice in a mirror before you tell your parents
[08:55] <kerozene> not till they come for my irish passport
[08:56] <shauno> I'm not sure those mean anything anymore.  they're pretty much giving them away
[08:56] <kerozene> hehe
[08:56] <shauno> my wife got one.  5 years ago she couldn't point at ireland on a map.
[08:57] <shauno> (plot twist.  I'm not irish.  moved here by accident)
[08:57] <kerozene> what, you get shipwrecked?
[08:57] <shauno> near enough
[08:58] <shauno> short version: came here for 3 months, stayed for 6, then got told I wasn't welcome back in the US.
[08:59] <kerozene> they tell everyone that though
[08:59] <shauno> heh
[09:00] <shauno> well, apparently I'll be able to visit as a tourist as soon as 2016. until then, I'm just sorta sat here trying to figure out where I'm meant to be
[09:00] <shauno> no, 2026
[09:05] <soren> shauno: Because you stayed away for too long?
[09:05] <kerozene> maybe he was drinking in the wrong pubs
[09:05] <shauno> soren: yeah.  I apparently wasn't familiar enough with greencard restrictions
[09:06] <soren> shauno: Oh, you're not a US citizen?
[09:06] <shauno> nope
[09:06] <soren> ah.
[09:07] <twb> lucky break
[09:07] <shauno> the catch that makes it awkward is that my parents & siblings are naturalized, but I can't go back
[09:07] <shauno> they stayed long enough to be assimilated into the collective.  my wanderlust made me a proper black sheep
[09:08]  * soren thinks the concept of citizenship is bogus anyway
[09:08]  * twb thinks the concept of nation-states is bogus, too
[09:09] <shauno> I technically agree.  But I've found them very difficult to debate with.
[09:09] <kerozene> divide and conquer
[09:15] <sjbnz> VMware tools - what's the recommeded approach?
[09:16] <sjbnz> This is on a production ESXi 4.1 with 10.04 guests...
[09:16] <sjbnz> (in the past I've done "install tools" from ESX, then the script, and had to compile...
[09:16] <soren> twb: Completely agreed.
[09:21] <kerozene> shauno: apparently Green Light immi. consultants in Galway are good, if you were ever interested in pursuing it
[09:21] <kerozene> getting cut off like that doesn't sound right
[09:22] <shauno> we have a plan :)  stay here until I'm eligible for a passport myself, and then restart the whole process from scratch as a K1
[09:22] <kerozene> cool
[09:24] <shauno> see I'm not eligible for my original visa anymore, because it was k3 .. child/dependent of immigrant spouse.  apparently living in another country for 5 years, turning 30, etc kinda nix the dependent bit.
[09:24] <kerozene> turning 30...how arbitrary
[09:24] <shauno> but my wife is a bona fides yank, so we can re-file on those grounds
[09:25] <twb> shauno: my sympathy
[09:25] <shauno> she's not that bad :)  she's had 5 years in europe too now
[09:30] <shauno> kerozene: indulge my paranoia a moment, how'd you know I'm in galway?
[09:31] <twb> geoip
[09:31] <shauno> my irssi lives in london
[09:32] <sjbnz> VMWare tools? apt-getting open-vm-tools sounds attractive, but VMware say they don't support the version in Ubuntu repos (!?)...
[09:33] <kerozene> shauno: I didn't, I just have some acquaintance with the guy who runs that outfit. pure coincidence :)
[09:34] <kerozene> muaha.
[10:42] <kerozene> sjbnz: what versions, respectively?
[11:16] <ttx> soren: can you flip the switch on https://code.launchpad.net/~ed-leafe/nova/lp703041/+merge/46823 again ?
[11:16] <ttx> oops
[11:17] <kerozene> charming.
[11:18] <\sh> ttx: oops for the bug? ;)
[11:18] <ttx> nah, that one is a dupe anyway :P
[11:19] <\sh> bah
[11:19] <ttx> and fixed in Natty ;)
[11:19] <\sh> but there is a debdiff for maverick attached ;)
[11:19] <\sh> ttx: it bugged me this morning with latest security update...
[11:19] <\sh> and it will bug me on lucid too ;) production series ;)
[11:19] <ttx> hah!
[11:27] <\sh> and now I'm bugfixing live-boot ;)
[12:25] <tigreton> hi
[12:26] <tigreton> could someone send me a how-to set up a load balancer please?
[12:28] <\sh> tigreton: http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-loadbalanced-ha-apache-cluster-ubuntu8.04-p3
[12:30] <\sh> tigreton: google for pacemaker + ldirectord gives you more hints on how to setup a ipvs loadbalancer on e.g. lucid
[12:39] <tigreton> sorry was phone
[12:39] <tigreton> \sh but it simply? i only want to study it
[12:39] <tigreton> not to create a high web
[12:40] <\sh> tigreton: then you should read something about ipvs: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/software/ipvs.html
[12:40] <tigreton> i'm there
[12:40] <tigreton> and the other in progress
[12:40] <tigreton> ktcpvs
[12:41] <tigreton> but isn't too much simply... haha
[12:41] <tigreton> i was expecting \sh something like a simple iptables :(
[12:41] <tigreton> but well, i will read all u said
[12:41] <\sh> tigreton: loadbalancers are not simple...
[12:41] <tigreton> i saw something that programming with php
[12:41] <tigreton> asking the status of eachserver
[12:41] <tigreton> and redirecting...
[12:42] <\sh> tigreton: ipvs is what you need...not iptables...and ipvsadm is an easy tool when you know how to use it and understanding what ipvs does
[12:42] <tigreton> but they say it's about 2 secs
[12:42] <tigreton> aaaa
[12:42] <tigreton> so i must understand first what it does...
[12:42] <tigreton> ok
[12:42] <tigreton> in linuxvirtualserver explain it nice?
[12:45] <tigreton> foolano esp?
[12:49] <jamey_uk_> I'm using halevt to automount a LUKS-encrypted disk, but it doesn't have permission to mount devices. What do I have to do to allow the halevt user permission to mount?
[12:51] <tigreton> could u put privileges on the user?
[13:12] <jamey_uk_> tigreton, yeah thanks, I ended up sudo-ing the command it was executing
[13:24] <tigreton> oO i helped someone!!! how could be possible?
[13:24] <tigreton> must go thanks \sh
[13:24] <tigreton> bye
[13:45] <tsarles> I have a static IP set on an interface. After a few hours it quits responding, and I find that it has changed it's IP address to something the DHCP server would have gave it. I issue an '/etc/init.d/networking restart' , and it takes it's normal static IP again, but I can't figure out why it is doing this
[13:49] <_ruben> tsarles: you switched from dhcp to static, without rebooting or killing dhclient3?
[13:49] <tsarles> possable
[13:49] <tsarles> hasn't been rebooted in a while i think
[13:50] <tsarles> your saying I have to kill some DHCP daemon or something?
[13:50] <_ruben> you probably have a "rogue" dhclient3 still running around
[13:50] <_ruben> quite likely
[13:50] <tsarles> ok...... willl it show up in top? or how would you reccomend i check for this?
[13:50] <_ruben> it should
[13:50] <tsarles> k...
[13:50] <aljosa> anybody knows if there is a repository with check_postgres package for ubuntu maverick or maybe just deb package?
[13:51] <tsarles> i have a dhclient running.... guess that must be it
[13:51] <tsarles> and it's dead... thanks... hope that does it
[14:07] <Daviey> zul, Are you working on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/697105 soon?
[14:08] <zul> Daviey: its on my todo list
[14:08] <Daviey> zul, ok, great!
[14:15] <SpamapS> Daviey: thats a nasty one. :-P
[14:16] <Daviey> SpamapS, Ahh, sent you a mail as i thought you wouldn't be online yet!
[14:16] <SpamapS> Daviey: I *shouldn't* be online yet
[14:16] <SpamapS> :-P
[14:16] <Daviey> heh
[14:18] <SpamapS> Daviey: re bug #653405 ... I believe this one can only be "fixed" upstream. :-P
[14:20] <SpamapS> Daviey: so really, next logical step is to upstream that bug.
[14:22] <Daviey> SpamapS, Do you want to handle that?
[14:23] <SpamapS> Daviey: yes, on it
[14:24] <Daviey> SpamapS, \o/
[14:24] <zul> SpamapS: 5.1.54 building right now
[14:25] <SpamapS> Oh lovely..
[14:25] <SpamapS> rbabit has no bug tracker
[14:26] <SpamapS> zul: cool. :) sorry that I've completely dropped the ball on merging my favorite packages. :-/
[14:26] <\sh> SpamapS:
[14:26] <\sh> Bug reports
[14:26] <\sh> To report a bug or problem email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:26] <SpamapS> zul: I have been working on mysql 5.5 tho :)
[14:26] <zul> SpamapS: heh
[14:26] <zul> SpamapS: thats ok thats what im here for :)
[14:27] <SpamapS> \sh: private bug trackers mean we have to waste upstream's time every time we want to see if something is already reported, already fixed, or being avoided for a good reason. :-/
[14:27] <SpamapS> But I digress, that is their issue not ours.
[14:28] <\sh> SpamapS: complain to springsource ;)
[14:28] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:30] <Daviey> I'm really quite surprised rabbitmq doesn't have a bug tracker. :/
[14:31] <Daviey> hallyn, is bug #705395, a regression or a change; do you know?
[14:32] <SpamapS> Daviey: they have one, but its private
[14:33] <Daviey> tht
[14:33] <Daviey> that is above awesome
[14:37] <patdk-wk> reading their website, I still have no clue what rabbitmq does
[14:38] <SpamapS> RabbitMQ provides robust messaging for applications.
[14:38] <SpamapS> ??
[14:39] <patdk-wk> so it's smtp for programs to talk to each other? basically
[14:40] <patdk-wk> instead of say, doing a tcp connection themselfs
[14:42] <zul> SpamapS: unless you dont change the underlying os its running from ;)
[14:43] <\sh> patdk-wk: it's like activemq but written in erlang and not java, and has amqp support instead of openwire
[14:43] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: right, it sits between programs and brokers messages between them
[14:44] <SpamapS> ActiveMQ is so good at being slow.. I had to read the manual twice to make sure it wasn't designed to be a bottleneck. :-P
[14:49] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ping
[14:49] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, pong
[15:14] <hallyn> Daviey: sorry, dunno
[15:16] <hallyn> Daviey: can  look later, not right now
[15:27] <Daviey> hallyn, groovy, thanks!
[15:37] <RoAkSoAx> One thing btw... we do not care about bugs that are caused because, i.e. Virtuozzo, made a tweak to a package upstart job to be able to run it, right?
[15:40] <wizardslovak> hello people
[15:40] <zul> RoAkSoAx: eh?
[15:40] <thiebaude> hey Wizards
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> zul: bug #707098
[15:41] <wizardslovak> i got Wordpress installed , but i walso want to run phpbb on same server
[15:41] <RoAkSoAx> zul: VPS provider tweaked the upstart job to allow openssh run in Virtuozzo. After upgrade and replacing the upstart job with the one shipped in the package, ssh no longer starts
[15:41] <wizardslovak> what would i have to modify in apache config?
[15:41] <zul> RoAkSoAx: not really
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> zul: so it is a wontfix?
[15:43] <zul> RoAkSoAx: im not sure i think they should take it up with their vps
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> zul: so it is
[15:44] <RoAkSoAx> invalid for us
[15:52] <wizardslovak> anyone of you have experience with phpbb?
[16:00] <Daviey> SpamapS, meeting?
[16:01] <Daviey> SpamapS, are you chairing?
[16:01] <SpamapS> yes coming
[16:22] <lapsusbrutus> HP Color LaserJet 2600n foomatic/foo2hp    I need this driver for my cups on a 10.10 server,  anyone knows what to install to get it?
[16:49] <axisys> what am I doing wrong here? http://pastebin.com/gYZNF309
[16:49] <axisys> i need to install this to use megacli
[16:51] <axisys> added the script option -c .. still seeing the error
[16:51] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/Q8Tbsxz0
[17:07] <iclebyte-work> i'm having big troubles with mod_perl. I have an app in /var/www/myapp/cgi - that is the root. The CGI is executing however I get "Can't locate Monitor/Devices.pm in @INC". in /var/www/myapp/cgi/Monitor/ exists a file called 'Devices.pm' - in the apache error log i can also see that /var/www/myapp/cgi/Monitor is listed in @INC
[17:07] <iclebyte-work> any ideas? driving me mad..
[17:07] <RoyK> axisys: why don't you just extract the files from the rpm archive?
[17:09] <RoyK> iclebyte-work: no chrooting messing up?
[17:09] <iclebyte-work> no chrooting in place, this is a plain install
[17:10] <axisys> RoyK: using alien .. which option to extract ?
[17:12] <axisys> this is the rpm file
[17:12] <axisys> file Lib_Utils2-1.00-01.noarch.rpm
[17:12] <axisys> Lib_Utils2-1.00-01.noarch.rpm: RPM v3 bin Lib_Utils2-1.00-01
[17:13] <RoyK> axisys: rpm2cpio somefile.rpm | cpio -id
[17:13] <RoyK> iirc
[17:14] <RoyK> make a tmp dir first and cd into that
[17:34] <axisys> RoyK: ok
[17:40] <axisys> RoyK: it created etc usr and var dir in tmp and tons of files in those dirs
[17:41] <axisys> looks like I can just go to / and extract it again
[17:41] <axisys> would be nice if I could use rpm to install them
[17:45] <RoyK> axisys: the problem with using rpm on debuntu systems is that the config files end up the wrong place and may even damange the system
[17:46] <aliverius> how long is a non-lts supported for?
[17:46]  * zul odes a cobbler update
[17:49] <axisys> RoyK: ok.. with alien it should put it in the write place.. but the `error: incorrect format: unknown tag' is what I need to fix
[17:51] <axisys> I downloaded the rpm for ubuntu from here
[17:51] <axisys> http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/internal_raid/megaraid_sas/6gb_s_value_line/sas9260-8i/
[17:51] <axisys> megaraid_sas is already comes with ubuntu 10.04 .. but it is older version than what is in lsi sight
[17:52] <axisys> site
[17:52] <axisys> also lsi site has the megacli which is needed to check the status of the raid
[17:53] <RoyK> axisys: it won't install it anywhere else than what's given in the package
[17:53] <RoyK> how should it guess where?
[17:54] <hallyn> cmagina: finally working on that mp merge, btw.  hoping to have something you can test later today.
[17:54] <cmagina> hallyn: alright, sounds good
[17:55] <hallyn> cmagina: do you remember which file needed the 's/\/lib\//\/lib*\// ?
[17:55] <hallyn> was it all of the debian/*.install ones?
[17:55] <hallyn> dannf: ^
[17:55] <axisys> RoyK: sorry i don't follow
[17:55] <axisys> RoyK: are you referring to `error: incorrect format: unknown tag' ?
[17:56] <cmagina> hallyn: there were two
[17:56] <dannf> hallyn: ooh.. don't remember for sure - i *think* that's all it was
[17:56] <hallyn> cmagina: right, two of the three (not the kpartx one)
[17:56] <hallyn> cmagina: dannf: thx :)
[17:56] <RoyK> axisys: no, I was referring to alien - it just installs whereever given in the rpm file
[17:57] <RoyK> axisys: about the error message, google it
[17:58] <cmagina> hallyn: yep
[17:58] <cmagina> hallyn: multipath-tools and multipath-udeb
[18:06] <axisys> RoyK: check this out.. i got the src code..  but it is failing to make
[18:06]  * RoAkSoAx goes to lunch
[18:06] <axisys> RoyK: http://pastebin.com/tQ2u1V6u
[18:10] <RoyK> axisys: no idea, sorry - are you sure the driver doesn't exist in a newer kernel?
[18:10] <axisys> RoyK: driver does exist..
[18:10] <axisys> RoyK: but older version..
[18:11] <RoyK> axisys: erm - I don't get it - card unsupported in old driver?
[18:11] <axisys> RoyK: so I guess I could just live with that..
[18:11] <axisys> RoyK: no it does support
[18:12] <axisys> RoyK: i can see the disk .. my raid10 shows up as sda1
[18:12] <RoyK> then why upgrade?
[18:13] <axisys> RoyK: true.. i should not worry about the upgrade.. but!
[18:13] <axisys> RoyK: i still need a way to find out if a disk is offline underneath.. that is where megacli rpm comes to play
[18:17] <RoyK> axisys: those source files were just for the driver
[18:17] <axisys> RoyK: right.. i should just forget about them.. and concentrate on making the megacli rpm to work
[18:18] <RoyK> axisys: can you email me the rpm, so I can take a look?
[18:18] <axisys> RoyK: address ?
[18:18] <RoyK><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:20] <axisys> RoyK: http://www.lsi.com/support/sun/sg_x_sas6-r-int-z.html
[18:20] <axisys> RoyK: MegaCli - Linux  8.00.2308-13-2010
[18:20] <axisys> RoyK: under utility software
[18:21] <axisys> I will email you this
[18:24] <axisys> RoyK: sent.. thanks
[18:32] <RoyK> axisys: 32 or 64 bit?
[18:32] <axisys> RoyK: 64bit.. I got it working
[18:32] <axisys> RoyK: i can run the binary and check the raid controller status from the OS
[18:33] <RoyK> ok
[18:33] <axisys> RoyK: but.. it is not complete installation of MSM (megaraid manager) .. just megacli..
[18:50] <RoyK> axisys: that should do
[18:50] <RoyK> axisys: add a nagios/icinga check and you're done :)
[19:14] <zul> SpamapS: what do you think of ^^^?
[19:18] <zul> kirkland: why did you approve Davieys branch but not merge it?
[19:20] <SpamapS> zul: reading
[19:21] <aliverius> can someone help me with a pair of 4k sector hdds?
[19:22] <zul> SpamapS: obviously its too late for 10.04.2
[19:25] <SpamapS> zul: seing as its dh_installinit ... its too late for lucid unless we want to rebuild everything that has an upstart job. ;)
[19:26] <zul> SpamapS: my gut says no
[19:27] <SpamapS> zul: though it would be good to backport it to lucid so that any future SRU's we do build with this fix.
[19:28] <zul> SpamapS: yeah but that would be half empty or half full
[19:58] <cemc> o/ where can I find a daily lucid cd image with enabled -proposed ?
[20:09] <SpamapS> cemc: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily/current/
[20:10] <SpamapS> hmm thats only the alternate CD
[20:10] <cemc> SpamapS: nvr mind, I used mini.iso. thanks anyway.
[20:11] <SpamapS> cemc: yeah that should work too :)
[20:13] <sbeattie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/lucid/daily/current/ has the server images.
[20:15] <cemc> sbeattie: right, that one I didn't find ;) thanks
[20:15] <SpamapS> sbeattie: oh.. DUH ;) ty
[20:24] <hallyn> cmagina: dannf: multipath-tools with debian/experimental merged in is built at ppa:serge-hallyn/multipath for natty.  d'oh.  i guess i'll compile one for lucid, for you to test with?  or do you have a natty install you can try it on?
[20:25] <cmagina> hallyn: i have a natty install, but nothing that uses multipath
[20:30] <hallyn> cmagina: ok, lucid version pushed, should hopefully be built in 30 ins
[20:30] <hallyn> mins
[20:30] <cmagina> hallyn: ok, i'll give it a spin
[20:31] <hallyn> cool
[20:49] <aliverius> i am installing the lts server and i finished partitioning with raid and lvm
[20:49] <aliverius> but i am not confident my hdds perform at their best because they use 4kb sectors
[20:50] <aliverius> how can i find out if it was done ok?
[20:59] <Daughain> Can eomsone here help me with an SASL issue?
[20:59] <Daughain> SOmeone, even.
[21:00] <Pici> Daughain: An issue connecting to freenode? or other some other SASL thing?
[21:01] <Pici> Daughain: If freenode, your best bet would be to ask first in #freenode
[21:01] <Daughain> COnnecting to freenode. Via Xchat
[21:01] <Daughain> Thanks.
[21:07] <chovynz> How do I upload a website to my private server via command line?
[21:11] <chovynz> nevermind. I'll ask again at a later date when I have more time.
[21:12] <Roasted> has anybody installed freeradius on ubuntu?
[21:15] <Thirtysixway> How can i configure munin plugins apache_* to track both http traffic on port 80 and https (SSL) traffic on 443?
[21:18] <deadsmith> hey all --- can anyone point me toward reading or advice for Linux ioschedulers with a 32TB RAID 50 setup?
[21:26] <aliverius> i installed ubuntu server on a system with a part raid 1 and inside the ride some lvm, plus one big regular partition on each disk
[21:26] <aliverius> now it refuses to install grub
[21:26] <aliverius> what's going on?
[21:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy!!
[21:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so I reworked the powernapd loop today and now the GRACE period approach has changed, as well as it keeps tracking while in PowerSave. I'm testing it now. When you have the time to discuss it further, let me know
[21:40] <hallyn> aliverius: if you are using multipath, then it's a knwon bug in grub (being worked, with proposed fixposted)
[21:42] <aliverius> hallyn: first of all what do you mean with multipath, second how do i circumvent this?
[21:44] <SAM__> hi guys i know an issue with my webserver on 10.04 and im not sure what is causing it....if someone could take a quick look id be most greatful http://unrealkillers.com/forum.php
[21:45] <hallyn> aliverius: if you don't knwo what multipath is, then it probably isn't your problem.
[21:46] <aliverius> as i said before it is one raid, one normal partition and a number of logical volumes inside the raid partition
[21:49] <genii-around> SAM__: www.wherever.com   is not the same as wherever.com
[21:49] <SAM__> I have this as my config
[21:49] <SAM__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/558297/
[21:53] <genii-around> SAM__: Did you recently change the nameserver info?
[21:57] <micahg> hi, is there a reason that /usr/share/php isn't on by default?
[22:09] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, give me a bit
[22:09] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i have the LoadMonitor working well
[22:11] <glenp> test
[22:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sure thing. take your time :)
[22:13] <glenp> Got a question and its a newbie server question.   1. whats the best way to set up partitions on a server.   2  whats the best filesystem
[22:13] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[22:14] <smoser> glenp, if it were up to me, and I didn't want to become an expert on such things, I would take the defaults (which is what I do)
[22:15] <smoser> there is definitely a whole lot of tuning and smarts that you could have to do better, but the intent of the defaults is that they're chosen by people who generally know what they're doing.
[22:16] <aliverius> how do i get parted during install?
[22:16] <glenp> k  I have heard of putting your home directories in a seperate partition.  and there are other ways I have heard.
[22:17] <aliverius> i was told i need to do some special stuff for a bios boot  partition and parted is needed for that
[22:22] <Mip5> Hi - I'm building a transparent proxy using squid 3.1.10, on ubuntu server 10.04, using 2.6.37 kernel. There were a few config options necessary for squid to install in ubuntu (eg, --prefix=/usr). I'm looking for the proper config options to install iptables 1.4.10 in ubuntu. Thanks.
[22:23] <Mip5> I ask this because I just ran updates on the server, and there was a python script as part of a firmware upgrade package that failed. It looked like it failed to find my install of iptables.
[22:44] <SAM__> can anyone help me with OS hardening and where to start please? maybe a tutorial?
[22:50] <aliverius> SAM__: hardened linux from scratch?
[22:52] <SAM__> aliverius, yes
[22:58] <deadsmith> can anyone point me toward reading or advice for Linux ioschedulers with a 32TB RAID 50 setup?
[23:13] <RoAkSoAx> RoAkSo/win 2
[23:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yo
[23:16] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, man, i have time for you now
[23:28] <andreserl> kirkland, can't access my vps let's do it through here, or should we chat?
[23:34] <Italian_Plumber> Hello.  My system is running a disk check on startup.  it's running it right now.  Is there a way to stop the disk check?  I'm troubleshooting a different problem and I can run a disk check later.
[23:39] <SpamapS> kirkland: hey have you ever had issues using approx for boot strapping hardy?


[00:26] <Fableflame> So, how could a noob like me be useful around here?
[05:16] <alourie> Fableflame: well, that's too generic of a question. What would you like to do? Testing, sorting bugs? writing some stuff? advocating? there's a lot to do...
[10:03] <brendand> gema - are you planning to create a subpage for each task on : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TasksPrecise (or link to a blueprint if appropriate)
[10:04] <gema> brendand: I have no plans yet, didn't know how to handle it so I created a wiki
[10:04] <gema> brendand: sounds like a good idea to have subpages for that
[10:07] <gema> brendand: since in the blueprints we need to put people's launchpad ids and I don't know most people's ids (plus the work is going to be collaborative) I haven't figured out how to do that
[10:08] <brendand> gema - since the bp's are used for status.ubuntu.com you probably don't want people messing with them. better to co-ordinate on a wiki and have one or two people updating the blueprints
[10:08] <gema> brendand: ack
[10:09] <brendand> gema - for the testcases in the tracker, shall we update them in place? or leave them as they are there and update them somewhere else?
[10:10] <gema> brendand: I would like to see them in a spreadsheet, like the one I uploaded to the wiki
[10:10] <gema> so that we can put them in the TCMS of our choice once they are reviewed
[10:10] <gema> and approved
[10:10] <gema> we may end up with some spreadsheets , one per person or so, but at least we know they are good and finished
[10:10] <brendand> gema - which spreadsheet?
[10:11]  * gema looking at the email again, I keep losing wiki links...
[10:12] <gema> brendand: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TestCase <- look at the bottom of this page
[10:16] <brendand> gema - i added links to the current testcase tracker and the page above in the task on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TasksPrecise
[10:17] <brendand> gema - do you think we could give the tasks a name? instead of calling them tasks 1-7 :)
[10:18] <gema> brendand: go for it xD
[10:18] <gema> brendand: I would have trouble finding a name for my own child, so you better take that (since you have more experience naming)
[10:19] <gema> brendand: any changes you deem necessary feel free to do them and inform the list afterwards, or report them in today's meeting, whichever works for you
[10:20] <gema> brendand: thanks!
[10:22] <brendand> gema - the meeting is from 5-7 right? for both topics?
[10:27] <Fableflame> Whoa, activity!
[10:27] <gema> brendand: the meeting is for all we've done this week
[10:27] <Fableflame> Figures you guys are active when I should be sleeping, lol.
[10:27] <gema> brendand: things that are in the list and things that we are doing but are not in the list
[10:28] <gema> brendand: i.e. difficult to share and needing access to internal systems
[10:28] <gema> Fableflame: indeed
[10:29] <brendand> gema - great, i have it on my calendar now
[10:34] <Fableflame> So say I wanted to get involved in Testing. What should I be testing? I've already install 12.04, should I just use it like I would every other day, or is there a list of procedures?
[11:04] <brendand> Fableflame - we do have a list of test cases, but as the email says they are out of date and not very good
[11:05] <brendand> Fableflame - For effective testing you shouldn't use it 'as you do everyday' but try doing as much as possible, doing unusual things etc
[11:06] <brendand> Really effective testing is controlled and based on knowledge of the software design and past experience, and encoded in test cases
[11:07] <Fableflame> Hmm. I'm a bit lacking in knowledge.
[16:47] <brendand> gema - i need to babysit now so i won't be that active in the QA meeting unfortunately
[16:48] <gema> brendand: no problem, you can answer to anything on the list later
[16:48] <gema> brendand: I will publish the log straight away


[13:15] <magicaltrout> how dare lazypower not be working on a weekend
[16:09] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: I know, right?
[19:26] <magicaltrout> disgrace marcoceppi
[19:26] <magicaltrout> absolute disgrace
[22:42] <bradm> petevg: I know technically I was the maintainer, but I'm not in ~charmers so I doubt I can even write to the main branch
[22:44] <petevg> bradm Got it. I'm not in charmers, either.
[22:44] <petevg> I think that we're supposed to be moving stuff out of charmers, anyway, though.
[22:46] <petevg> I'll bug people about it tomorrow -- I'm still kind of fuzzy on what is supposed to happen with some of these charms that still have their main branch in charmers.


[13:16] <ahn0st> hey
[13:17] <diego11> .
[13:17] <diego11> hi
[13:18] <ahn0st> I was trying to get the Ubuntu graphical shell unity and use it for Lubuntu.
[13:18] <ahn0st> Came across this, http://lubuntu.me/tag/unity/


[00:09] <m0nkey_> lol
[11:25] <daftykins> mornin'
[11:25] <daftykins> Windows 11 downloads are out, i see
[11:26] <zxmpi_> do they have a government warning? :-P
[11:28] <daftykins> amusingly i don't own a supported PC
[11:30] <zxmpi_> does your pc run ms flight sim? that's the way to know if it's compatible :-P
[11:31] <daftykins> i'm sure it would, but it's an intel 6th gen so it's too old!
[11:32] <zxmpi_> my last lenovo laptop is now randomly locking up once a week. time for a replacement. looking at the rasp pi 400 right now
[11:32] <daftykins> passes all tests but still freezes eh?
[11:33] <zxmpi_> yeah. very random. was only in chromium at first but now firefox. possible ram issue i suspect
[11:34] <daftykins> you haven't run memtest? :P
[11:34] <zxmpi_> i have and it passes
[11:34] <zxmpi_> i *HATE* intermittent faults where it'll pass test after test and then fail later :-)
[11:37] <daftykins> mmhmm, totally agree
[11:39] <zxmpi_> trying to tell the hp engineer. it is broken but unless you're willing to wait 16 hours for it to happen it won't do it in front of you
[11:39] <zxmpi_> they get ready to leave and then i pull out my nokia n70. 'so here's a video i made earlier' :-)
[11:39] <daftykins> hehe
[11:40] <daftykins> ok time to try a new coffee i picked
[12:33] <m0nkey_> The deed is done.. https://twitter.com/DavieDavieDave/status/1445360532693962757
[12:34] <zxmpi_> that doesn't look too bad :-)
[12:36] <m0nkey_> Just installed the kernel and secure boot cert from the linux-surface project and boom, one Microsoft Surface de-Windowfied
[12:44] <m0nkey_> Welp, the only thing that doesn't work is the camera. But nothing of value is lost. lol
[12:44] <m0nkey_> Touch screen and pen works, even rotation.
[12:45] <daftykins> that looks to be very high scaling
[12:45] <daftykins> eww non-UK keyboard layout ;)
[12:45] <m0nkey_> at least it's better than the Canadian Multilingual keyboard.. yeesh
[12:46] <m0nkey_> 200% scaling
[12:49] <m0nkey_> Anyway, it's just an experiment. Probably wont keep it like this.
[12:50] <m0nkey_> The camera not working is kinda annoying. There's probably a fix. Also I did notice that the erase function of the pen didn't work.


[00:57] <Takyoji> Anyone agree that those of an administrative position over Firefox are pretty much just killing Firefox?
[01:02] <Takyoji> Also, anyone have issues with LibreOffice rampantly crashing in 11.04?
[01:02] <Takyoji> Specifically, LibreOffice Impress
[22:02] <Takyoji> Just came across this interesting series: http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/


[11:29] <cjwatson> wgrant: Do we still need to keep lucid_lp_lxc and lucid_db_lp_lxc on the waterfall page?