[19:34] <alejandro> hola lycantropho
[19:34] <Fjorgynn> wileee: I did run it in a terminal
[19:35] <wileee> Fjorgynn, not the question if you did, show us the error.
[19:35] <stonerl> bekks: my problem is that I hav many subfolder in thes very folder so I want to 'mget <folder>' but since the folders doen't exist local nothing get transferred. So is it posible that ftp craetes this folders?
[19:36] <bekks> stonerl: Your problem is that the FTP protocal doesnt support what you want. You have to do it manually.
[19:36] <bekks> stonerl: You need to manually create the local folders and then get the files.
[19:36] <alejandro> !op
[19:37] <Flannel> alejandro: yes?
[19:37] <wileee> Fjorgynn, The update suggested is a good one, if you need help on a pastebin site let us know, we just look at data to help generally.
[19:37] <alejandro> no
[19:37] <alejandro> flannel estoy tratando de aprender
[19:37] <alejandro> querias aber que s op
[19:38] <Flannel> !es | alejandro
[19:38] <alejandro> ok
[19:41] <stonerl> bekks: thx
[19:55] <platta> After installing a package I'm unable to ssh to my Ubuntu box anymore. netstat shows it's listening and tcpdump shows it's receiving packets from the client, but the client just times out. Can anyone point me in the right direction for what to look at next?
[19:57] <llllll> port forwarding issue?
[19:58] <platta> I filtered tcpdump specifically for port 22, though, and I do see packets come in. Could that still be the case?
[19:59] <llllll> if there's one thing i've learnt about linux and networking, it's what it's always worth double checking :)
[19:59] <llllll> sorry i can't be of more help to you, i'm sure someone knowledable will appear soon
[20:00] <AvatarA> well the come in but do they go out?
[20:00] <AvatarA> they*
[20:00] <platta> llllll: No worries, I appreciate your help!
[20:00] <platta> AvatarA: I hadn't thought to check that. Let me take a look.
[20:01] <OerHeks> platta, so what package did you install that caused this?
[20:01] <AvatarA> if you receive packets and the client sits, waits and times out, it looks like it's waiting to get something back and doesn't receive it
[20:02] <platta> OerHeks: I installed Docker using their installation instructions. Basically you run this: curl -sSL https://get.docker.com/ | sh
[20:02] <PsynoKhi0> hi, are there known causes to high I/O wait values - other that a failing disk - when running e.g. tar, apt-get, or freshclam?
[20:03] <daftykins> PsynoKhi0: version? kernel?
[20:03] <AvatarA> btw just a curiosity of mine now, if anyone knows; does tcpdump show packets that are dropped by the firewall?
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, ah sorry, ubuntu 14.04, kernel 3.13 (PAE)
[20:04] <daftykins> PsynoKhi0: so how did you rule out disk issues already?
[20:05] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, S.M.A.R.T pass, fsck pass, the 64bit distro I dual on same drive shows no similar load
[20:05] <PsynoKhi0> dual boot*
[20:06] <daftykins> PsynoKhi0: wouldn't hurt to show us a smartctl -a /dev/sdX pastebin
[20:07] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, on it. Oh and dmesg doen't complain about the drive either
[20:07] <daftykins> mmm it wouldn't know if the issues were at disk firmware perhaps
[20:09] <jakesyl> oin #debian
[20:09] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, the drive has 10k hours life time, never touched the f/w, the 32 bit ubuntu installation has been humming along since the release
[20:10] <daftykins> PsynoKhi0: well just pastebin the smartctl output ;)
[20:11] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, ask and you shall receive :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/12507194/
[20:12] <skinux> I need some help getting GRUB installed. I installed Ubuntu a few days ago, but there is no GRUB, system boots right into Windows.
[20:12] <platta> AvatarA: No outgoing packets. Could it be a firewall thing? I checked "sudo ufw status" and it claims to be inactive.
[20:13] <daftykins> PsynoKhi0: good stuff, yeah that definitely looks clean. Not sure then!
[20:14] <OerHeks> platta, start that docker, and try to ssh into your machine, if that works, docker takes over somehowe
[20:14] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, ever heard of PAE kernels needing specific attention when upgrading RAM? I went from 8GB to 24GB and that's when it starting acting up
[20:14] <PsynoKhi0> started*
[20:15] <daftykins> 24GB RAM and you said you're using 32-bit?
[20:15] <skinux> I was told there should be an easy way to fix it using Live boot. Anyone know what it is?
[20:15] <OerHeks> PsynoKhi0, oh, now you come with important info ..
[20:15] <daftykins> PAE isn't enough to save you there :) i'd reinstall with 64-bit
[20:15] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, I triple-boot 1 ubuntu 32 bit and 2 64bit distros
[20:16] <OerHeks> skinux, is this an UEFI machine?
[20:16] <PsynoKhi0> and AFAIK PAE handles up to 64GB... guess no one actually gathered empirical data on that though heh
[20:18] <PsynoKhi0> OerHeks, did the amount of memory raise red flags?
[20:18] <daftykins> i think it's fair to say peeps would sooner install a 64-bit host OS than run the gamble
[20:19] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, yeah I guess
[20:20] <AvatarA> platta, if ufw is inactive it doesn't mean much
[20:20] <AvatarA> there's still netfilter
[20:22] <bekks> AvatarA: ufw is a frontend for iptables, which netfilter is a plugin for. So if you disable ufw, you clean all iptables rules, which inheritly disables netfilter.
[20:25] <AvatarA> what about manually added iptable rules?
[20:26] <platta> AvatarA: Just finished checking that (not very experienced with linux, but my Google Fu is strong).  If I leave a virtual Interface configured like this: https://paste.debian.net/312649/ (no auto or allow-hotplug options)
[20:32] <AvatarA> can you reach your client from that server?
[20:32] <dimitry7> will be brought up at boot time?
[20:32] <PsynoKhi0> daftykins, OerHeks thanks for the hints!
[20:32] <platta> AvatarA: No luck with iptables, but I was able to get it to work again by disabling the virtual interface that Docker created.
[20:33] <AvatarA> so it was a routing problem
[20:35] <platta> Oh man, that's way beyond what I know about networking.
[20:35] <Ziggurat> Any news on supporting Baytrail processors with 32bit UEFI?
[20:36] <Ziggurat> And do cherry trail processors have 32 or 64bit UEFI? I cant find the info googling.
[20:36] <platta> AvatarA:  Further testing your other suggestion, I can ping the client from the server but when I re-enable the virtual interface I can't ping it. Looks like I'm gonna learn me some routing :)
[20:41] <platta> AvatarA: Got it - my server is on <IP_ADDRESS> and my client is on <IP_ADDRESS>. The virtual interface Docker creates uses <IP_ADDRESS>, so it's devouring all that outgoing traffic when it's active
[20:42] <daftykins> ah-haaaar
[20:42] <platta> AvatarA, OerHeks, daftykins, bekks thank you all for your help!
[20:52] <AvatarA> well short story is, if you want to send something to <IP_ADDRESS> the system has to know where it should send that
[20:53] <AvatarA> and the routing table helps do that
[21:02] <tachibana> your screen graphics card and input device settings could not be detected correctly
[21:03] <tachibana> i am getting this error on reboot after trying to instal XFCE?
[21:04] <wileee> tachibana, have you run updates/upgrades? What was there before the xfce and how was it installed?
[21:04] <tachibana> i had unity installed prior
[21:05] <tachibana> and i am pretty sure i purged it away, also updated/upgraded
[21:05] <wileee> tachibana, purging it was a mistake is all, can be removed but a waste of time is all.
[21:05] <tachibana> i did install xfce twice, once from software manager, and then again from command line apt-get, so maybe im getting an arror from a double install?
[21:07] <tachibana> makes sense
[21:07] <tachibana> ?
[21:07] <wileee> tachibana, unity is a plugin in compiz on top of gnome 3, I'm not sure what xfce and gnome 3 are sharing, which may have been removed with the purge is all.
[21:08] <wileee> no double install
[21:08] <tachibana> all i can think of is try installing LFCE from command line?
[21:08] <wileee> same source, different managers is all
[21:08] <tachibana> lxce*
[21:10] <tachibana> i really want an xfce machine running though :[
[21:11] <AvatarA> tachibana, did you install proprietary drivers at some point?
[21:13] <Mufasil> Hi
[21:13] <Mufasil> any one there to help me?
[21:13] <tachibana> AvatarA, yes i followed some guide that said to reinstall some nvidia drivers so I did that but it was for a similar but different problem
[21:14] <Mufasil> ???
[21:14] <Mufasil> anyone there?
[21:14] <Mufasil> ?
[21:15] <AvatarA> you seem to be missing a xorg.conf
[21:15] <AvatarA> proprietary drivers usually need that, open source usually don't
[21:15] <Mufasil> I have already have driver issue on ubuntu 14.04
[21:15] <AvatarA> find a guide for your drivers, reinstall, and re-generate that xorg.conf
[21:16] <Mufasil> I am using NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800
[21:16] <adrianoc> hy all, i need help to configure module userdir in my apache 2.4 ... i'm using ubuntu 14.04
[21:16] <adrianoc> module is work's fine ... but rewrite module don't ok.
[21:16] <Mufasil> I have successfully install the driver but it fails to give perfect resolution
[21:17] <adrianoc> i have this error ...
[21:17] <adrianoc>  [core:info] [pid 1176] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:36829] AH00128: File does not exist: /var/www/html/home/adrianoc/public_html/cake/webroot/index.php, referer: http://localhost/~adrianoc/
[21:17] <tachibana> i already had a nvidia driver problem before this shit sucks
[21:18] <tachibana> how do i edit the .config file
[21:18] <adrianoc> look "/var/www/html", this is wrong.
[21:18] <AvatarA> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf but you have to see what your specific hardware requires
[21:18] <AvatarA> don't know about nvidia
[21:19] <AvatarA> ati had a tool called aticonfig for example and you typed aticonfig --initial or something like that and it generated the .conf
[21:19] <adrianoc> but i can't set the correct configuration.
[21:19] <AvatarA> did you install that driver from ubuntu repositories or from manfuacturer's site? tachibana
[21:20]  * Mufasil slaps adrianoc around a bit with a large fishbot
[21:21] <tachibana> AvatarA, i installed the driver from sudo apt-get
[21:21] <tachibana> sudo apt-get nvidia something
[21:23] <AvatarA> maybe purge that nvidia something and then install again
[21:23] <AvatarA> don't know, depends how that package is built, the idea is to regenerate the .conf file anyway you find easier for yourself
[21:25] <AvatarA> maybe this will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:27] <tachibana> i installed the nvidia after installing xfce and getting this error, you realize that right?
[21:28] <tachibana> are you saying updating the nvidia driver ruins my ability to successfully install XFCE even though xfce was clearly already giving me an error and not booting to the login screen?
[21:28] <tachibana> doesn't make sense?
[21:29] <daftykins> it does if the hardware doesn't work with the open driver.
[21:29] <daftykins> tachibana: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[21:29] <daftykins> state which it is :)
[21:32] <tachibana> when I installed ubuntu I check marked yes install 3rd party drivers because i tried berry linux earlier and the wifi card wasnt working
[21:32] <OerHeks> tachibana, what card exactly?
[21:32] <tachibana> realtek
[21:32] <tachibana> NIC
[21:32] <OerHeks> all i read is what is not working, no details to get a clue
[21:33] <tachibana> i am seriously going to just reinstall ubnuntu and spend half a day to download 200 MB of updates agaiN! >: [
[21:33] <OerHeks> now it is a nick, first you mention the nvidia one..
[21:34] <tachibana> are you on drugs sir?
[21:34] <OerHeks> tachibana, no, are you ?
[21:35] <jak2000> tachibana are you women right?
[21:35] <rooks> how to list all symlinks in subdirectory /a/subdir1 and its subdirectories that point outside of subdir1 ?
[21:37] <skinux> How come boot repair says UEFI is turned off when it is turned on??
[21:38] <skinux> It's freaking annoying. I installed Ubuntu, but it didn't put a boot option anywhere.
[21:38] <tachibana> id help you guys and make your lifes easier but these jokers wont even help me
[21:38] <tachibana> I remember when free software meant something
[21:39] <EriC^^> lovely
[21:39] <daftykins> skinux: i suspect you messed up your install again :)
[21:39] <wileee> tachibana, your destails are bad and spread out no real context.
[21:39] <skinux> daftykins: No. The installation seemed to have gone fine except that there was no boot menu option.
[21:39] <HOLA> HOLA
[21:40] <daftykins> right but the installation includes GRUB placement steps
[21:40] <skinux> I tried to add one to Windows using EasyBCD but it just says Windows failed to load when I use it.
[21:40] <daftykins> an entry to boot Windows? wat
[21:40] <wileee> tachibana, being abusive gets a free ignore here.
[21:40] <skinux> No, an entry in Windows boot menu to put Ubuntu
[21:41] <skinux> to boot Ubuntu*
[21:41] <storri> Is there a way to check open bugs on an application? I am trying to use "Simple Scan" and it cannot see the USB scanner. I can see the scanner using lsusb.
[21:41] <daftykins> i feel like people refer to that as not being an option
[21:41] <daftykins> skinux: well once again you come to us with problems but no logs, output - or anything whatsoever to go on :)
[21:41] <skinux> Well, I also tried official instructions for installing GRUB and it didn't work either.
[21:42] <skinux> Well, it appeared to work, but I didn't get any GRUB instead it went straight to Windows
[21:43] <daftykins> if Windows and Ubuntu both are truly installed as EFI, then you will need to be sure Windows Boot Manager isn't the entry listed for boot inside your BIOS
[21:43] <skinux> UEFI doesn't have any option for Ubuntu
[21:44] <daftykins> no you typically pick the hard disk device over WBM
[21:44] <daftykins> so go off and get us some output please instead of expecting us to do all the work and/or guess.
[21:44] <skinux> Boot from hard disk instead of choosing Windows?
[21:44] <skinux> I can give that a shot.
[21:45] <daftykins> just watch... this one idea will be tried, no output will be brought back - just a "it dun work"
[21:45] <storri> I am trying to get Simple Scan to work. I cannot get it to see the scanner. I can see the scanner with lsusb.
[21:46] <storri> There is also an issue with terminating the program. It locks up I am forced to quit it. If I start in a terminal it locks up the terminal
[21:47] <storri> Am I asking my question in the right IRC channel?
[21:48] <tachibana> whats an easy way to set up a restore point in ubuntu so i dont gotta spend 1 week reinstalling after every trial/error
[21:48] <tachibana> good god I wouldn't wish this torture on anybody ='[
[21:49] <Tuck> hola
[21:49] <storri> If you are testing stuff I would run Ubuntu in KVM/VirtualBox/VMWare. That way if something goes wrong you have not lost anything.
[21:50] <storri> Most VM software has a way to take snapshots
[21:55] <daftykins> storri: correct channel yes, just sunday and nobodys able to reply ;)
[21:55] <skinux> Okay, I tried booting from disk. GRUB is there, but I only get a GRUB console instead of a boot menu.
[21:56] <storri> daftykins: Well I am switching from Linux Mint to Ubuntu to match what I use at work. Devices were easy to install in LInux Mint. In Ubuntu they are taking time to figure out.
[21:56] <daftykins> skinux: progress at least, ok so it's misconfigured now.
[21:56] <skinux> Yeah...but I have no idea how to repair
[21:57] <daftykins> storri: i greatly doubt that, i bet it's down to mismatched versions
[21:57] <storri> daftykins: The problem most likely exists between the keyboard and the chair. What do you mean about mismatched versions?
[21:58] <daftykins> the Mint and Ubuntu versions you refer to could be different releases with different kernels
[21:58] <storri> True
[21:59] <daftykins> storri: also when you say devices, what other than the scanner do you mean?
[22:00] <storri> daftykins: I am speaking of my usb scanner. That is the current device I am trying to get Simple Scan to see.
[22:00] <storri> daftykins: Sorry for the confusion.
[22:00] <daftykins> right, but you made it sound like more devices were the issue
[22:00] <daftykins> you made it sound like Mint is this magical distro that makes everything work ;)
[22:01] <storri> It was the printer but I got that sorted out the Printer configuration. I had to install the drivers from Brother. After which the Printer program was able to configure the printer.
[22:01] <jlim> why does the software center charge us for software when i can the same software for ubuntu for free else where?
[22:01] <spr-k3737> Hi there! Installed xubuntu just recently, on a UEFI machine. Followed default settings, did some partitioning that I wouldn't expect to affect Windows, and now I can't boot into windows? UEFI lists a windows boot entry, but even when that is given priority, xubuntu boots.
[22:01] <daftykins> jlim: maybe it's someone who packaged it up for you, who knows
[22:01] <jlim> happened twice today
[22:02] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: did you use boot-repair?
[22:02] <EriC^^> it might have switched the efi files
[22:02] <wileee> spr-k3737, 'some partitioning' needs to be explained
[22:02] <OerHeks> jlim, what software package?
[22:02] <spr-k3737> @wileee, deleted linux, linux swap, and linux
[22:02] <skinux> Are there a few commands I can give to GRUB console to fix this?
[22:02] <cyberalex4life> don't know about you guys, but I like temperate geekier systems (like with unity and gnome-shell), I really hate to do configurations in gui mode
[22:02] <storri> daftykins: Any experience with getting usb scanners sorted out?
[22:02] <jlim> i went to the developers website and downloaded for free. but i cost $$$ in the software center
[22:03] <daftykins> storri: nah, else i'd have replied from the beginning :)
[22:03] <spr-k3737> @EriC^^ no, I have not! Will do.
[22:03] <OerHeks> jlim, what software package exactly?
[22:03] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: no, don't
[22:03] <spr-k3737> Oh
[22:03] <jlim> one was filebot
[22:03] <wileee> spr-k3737, no moving windows, or removing the uefi boot?
[22:03] <storri> daftykins: no worries. Just funny how running scanimage freezes the terminal. I don't know why that is happening.
[22:03] <jlim> other numix circle icon theme
[22:03] <spr-k3737> @wileee, correct, only touched two ext4 partitions labelled for the OSes that were in them, and the swap partition one of them made.
[22:04] <jlim> both available free for ubuntu\
[22:04] <jlim> not in software center
[22:04] <jlim> cost money in software center
[22:04] <wileee> spr-k3737, cool, you have better help than me interested, not my best area.
[22:05] <jlim> i don't mind paying. but don't make me pay for something that is available for free
[22:06] <jlim> that is messed up
[22:06] <spr-k3737> fdisk -l output: http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/c5d48c066697689c48f772a6a80ff07e.txt
[22:06] <OerHeks> jlim, good find, sure that numix theme should not be sold.
[22:06] <OerHeks> jlim, about that filebot, do you have an Url ?
[22:06] <jlim> yes
[22:07] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: type sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:07] <jlim> http://www.filebot.net/
[22:07] <jlim> also
[22:08] <OerHeks> jlim, about that numix theme, see https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/numix-icon-theme-circle/ in the header, add their ppa for free ppa:numix/ppa
[22:08] <spr-k3737> efibootmgr not found
[22:08] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: type ls -l /sys/firmware/efi
[22:09] <spr-k3737> EriC^^, acpi and memmap are only dirs in /sys/firmware
[22:09] <spr-k3737> (O
[22:10] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: ok, i think you've installed in legacy mode
[22:10] <spr-k3737> Oh, is that default?
[22:10] <spr-k3737> It'
[22:10] <spr-k3737> s a fresh install so I'm happy to reinstall to not use legacy mode if I don't have to.
[22:10] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:11] <OerHeks> jlim,  according to this post, the filebot money goes to the developer , but you can still use it for free http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/organize-your-tv-shows-and-movies-with.html
[22:11] <spr-k3737> Eric^^: http://termbin.com/11t6 That is the coolest thing ever
[22:11] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: ok, enable uefi in the bios ( or disable csm legacy ) and boot the live usb
[22:11] <jlim> i have installed it. I just find it alarming that the softwareware center is charging. I would donate on my own because i love the work those guys do. but i am finding this more and more with the software center lately
[22:11] <jlim> what is going with the software center lately?
[22:12] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: once booted try ls -l /sys/firmware/efi to see if you're booted in uefi
[22:12] <spr-k3737> In the liveusb?
[22:12] <spr-k3737> LiveUSB has xchat, so I'
[22:12] <spr-k3737> ll report in!
[22:12] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: yeah, in try ubuntu, also nuke the disk and make it gpt
[22:12] <EriC^^> ok
[22:13] <spr-k3737> Eric^^ I can't nuke windows
[22:13] <OerHeks> jlim, i don't know about numix, but the filebot maintainer placed it himself on softwarecenter.
[22:13] <jlim> it seems that the persin maintaining it doesn't know what he/she is doing
[22:14] <dr_sweets> is there an ubuntu wiz around ?? :)
[22:14] <jlim> i tried to install skype but it was removed. had to download from skype website
[22:14] <jlim> same thinf with google earth
[22:15] <OerHeks> jlim, skype is in the partner 3th party repo, enable it in softwarecenter > sources.
[22:15] <jlim> i thought i had that enabled. let me check
[22:15] <OerHeks> google earth is not in our repos
[22:17] <jlim> OerHeks: yup thirdparty sources are enabled
[22:17] <skinux> Here is my GRUB installation error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bfd9c02b9828b355305d
[22:18] <skinux> I just got this error using LIVE USB
[22:18] <spr-k3737> EriC^^, I'm on the live usb, and there is no /sys/firmware/efi
[22:18] <spr-k3737> I didn't see anything in BIOS about Legacy Mode :s
[22:18] <daftykins> it's sometimes called CSM
[22:19] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: ok, type dmidecode | grep UEFI
[22:19] <EriC^^> sudo dmidecode..
[22:20] <spr-k3737> supported
[22:20] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: ok, did windows used to boot?
[22:20] <spr-k3737> Yes
[22:21] <EriC^^> i think it's in legacy mode
[22:21] <spr-k3737> And that should be a switch in BIOS?
[22:21] <spr-k3737> Cause I looked pretty thoroughly :I
[22:22] <EriC^^> you can't switch it, you have to reinstall windows to make it work with uefi or convert somehow
[22:22] <spr-k3737> Oh, Windows is in Legacy mode?
[22:22] <EriC^^> yeah i think so
[22:22] <EriC^^> type sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt
[22:23] <EriC^^> then ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:23] <spr-k3737> It's empty
[22:24] <spr-k3737> fdisk -l: http://termbin.com/ys2t
[22:25] <EriC^^> type df /mnt
[22:25] <spr-k3737> /dev/sda5         297820     4    297816   1% /mnt
[22:25] <EriC^^> ok i guess you can install ubuntu in legacy mode
[22:26] <EriC^^> and dual boot or fresh install windows for uefi
[22:27] <EriC^^> or maybe convert windows
[22:28] <spr-k3737> Oof
[22:29] <EriC^^> which windows is it anyways?
[22:30] <dr_sweets> how would I reinstall my UBUNTU or roll back the system after screwing it up :P ??
[22:30] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: seems pretty easy to convert windows to use uefi
[22:31] <daftykins> dr_sweets: what did you do?
[22:31] <dr_sweets> deleted something I wasnt'supposed to :)
[22:31] <EriC^^> such as?
[22:31] <dr_sweets> can figure out what
[22:31] <spr-k3737> EriC^^: Oh, you're right, there are pretty straightforward instructions. THanks for all the help!
[22:31] <dr_sweets> can not
[22:31] <EriC^^> spr-k3737: no problem
[22:32] <dr_sweets> I was trying to rinse it up so I could reinstall my BNC and eggie, it all fell apart
[22:33] <EriC^^> dr_sweets: aha
[22:34] <dr_sweets> well, lets see , I might have stumbled upon something :)
[22:38] <dr_sweets> nope, didn't take
[22:48] <llllll> finally learnt how to mount an smb share on boot so i can use cmus to listen to music from my network machine
[22:48] <llllll> SO HAPPY
[22:50] <dr_sweets> well, I am still stumped, is there any command in the command line that I could use to reupgrade ??
[22:59] <elite> Hi guys
[23:00] <elite> Kind of new at this but I'm hoping to get some help with my issue.
[23:02] <huttan> elite: ask your question, don
[23:02] <huttan> elite: ask your question, dont ask to ask :)
[23:02] <elite> hehehe sorry mate.
[23:02] <elite> I
[23:02] <elite> I remember configuring ubuntu to open my usb stick when I insert it.
[23:03] <elite> Now I want to configure only to mount it but not to open it when it is inserted but I can't figure it out
[23:03] <huttan> elite: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[23:03] <riotingpacifist> trying to run kubuntu on a macbook pro retina, using dkms to get wireless worknig but modprobing wl just hangs, notthing in dmesg
[23:04] <elite> thanks huttan I'll have a look but the problem is not the mounting. That works fine.
[23:04] <mila> hla
[23:05] <wileee> elite, How about it is there not mounted, just a click from it?
[23:05] <mila> hola soy nueva
[23:05] <wileee> !es
[23:06] <wileee> elite, You can in settings-details stop some things, have more control anyway.
[23:06] <Bashing-om> dr_sweets: A system status: what results ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ; sudo apt-get -f install ' ?
[23:06] <elite> I will have another look there right away
[23:06] <elite> thank you wileee
[23:07] <wileee> np, it's a gui, has limtations
[23:09] <mila> hola
[23:09] <mila> hablo español
[23:09] <wileee> mila, english here
[23:10] <mila> no no hablo ingles
[23:10] <wileee> !es | mila,
[23:10] <mila> holaaa
[23:18] <rayneayami> hi yall, im having an issue with qemu-kvm's apparmor
[23:19] <rayneayami> internal error: cannot load AppArmor profile 'libvirt-64f8f795-aea1-4538-86b9-34ac393c24f6' this is the error i keep getting
[23:20] <Blue1> I am having a problem with an hp laserjet pro m127fw (all in one) scanner.  Printer part works fine, but when I try to use xsacne to scan it gets:  failed to start scanner:  invalid argument  scanimage -L shows the scanner:  device `hpaio:/usb/HP_LaserJet_Pro_MFP_M127fw?serial=CNB8H769R4' is a Hewlett-Packard HP_LaserJet_Pro_MFP_M127fw all-in-one
[23:30] <ilk> Blue1: I have had so much trouble lately with HP scanners and printers, they used to just work out of the box...idk man....idk
[23:30] <ilk> did you use HPLIP?
[23:41] <fostertheweb> anywhere I can see snappy package management in action? demo video or something
[23:42] <EriC^^> fostertheweb: download ubuntu core
[23:42] <EriC^^> !core
[23:43] <EriC^^> !ubuntucore
[23:43] <fostertheweb> EriC^^: yeah i suppose i could just dive in, ty
[23:44] <EriC^^> it's very small and you can load it in a sec with kvm
[23:45] <EriC^^> fostertheweb: http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#snappy-local
[23:46] <Blue1> I have a problem with an hp laserjet pro m127fw printer.  The printer works fine, but if I try xsane it says:  failed to start scanner:  invalid argument -- scanimage -L shows:  device `hpaio:/usb/HP_LaserJet_Pro_MFP_M127fw?serial=CNB8H769R4' is a Hewlett-Packard HP_LaserJet_Pro_MFP_M127fw all-in-one
[23:47] <fostertheweb> EriC^^: thank you! :)
[23:47] <punkgeek> when im running make -j for compile new kernlen i got this error, what should i do?
[23:47] <punkgeek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12510242/
[23:50] <EriC^^> fostertheweb: no problem
[23:50] <punkgeek> nobody help me?
[23:52] <bazhang> !compile | have a read punkgeek
[23:56] <sanitypassing> uh, hi, I had run setcap earlier to try to redirect a port, and now it's causing issues on port 443 and I'm not sure how to undo it. Can anyone help me figure out how?


[00:38] <wfreeman> Hi, I have a simple question about laptop backlights. The built-in KDE brightness control does not do what it should do. I have written my own scripts to control brightness and would like to bind them to the laptop's brightness hotkeys, but even after disabling those hotkeys in the KDE hotkey manager, they are still doing weird things with the screen brightness.
[00:39] <wfreeman> Does anyone know what other KDE (or otherwise) component is reading these hotkeys? Again, all I'd like to do is turn this off, so I can bind them to my own scripts which work.
[00:40] <swex> wfreeman: whats your kubuntu version?
[00:41] <swex> wfreeman: how do you disable those keys in  shortcuts and gestures?
[00:42] <wfreeman> swex: I'm on 13.04. I simply went to System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KDE Daemon, and turned them off
[00:44] <swex> so now just goto custom shortcuts and make you own script run on those keys
[00:45] <wfreeman> I have done that, but something else (something more low-level, perhaps) is reading the keys and triggering some brightness calls that don't work. If I set my own shortcuts in custom shortcuts, I get the weird built-in behavior, plus mine.
[00:45] <wfreeman> (Thank you for your help, by the way!)
[00:48] <swex> how do you get info about triggering some calls that don't work?
[00:49] <swex> do you get indication bar on press?
[00:51] <wfreeman> I get the indication bar, but the backlight brightness also flickers wildly (i.e. hitting "backlight up" cycles between 0% and 10%)
[00:53] <swex> wfreeman: what backlight driver do you have?
[00:54] <swex> wfreeman: whats your backlight hardware?
[00:54] <wfreeman> How do I check that?
[00:55] <wfreeman> I see intel_backlight, acpi_video0, acpi_video1 in /sys/class/backlight -- the two video* things are probably because this is an Optimus system.
[00:55] <swex> ls -R /sys/class/backlight/
[00:56] <wfreeman> yep, those are the three I see there. But in dmesg I see a message: asus_wmi: Backlight controlled by ACPI video driver
[00:58] <wfreeman> Don't worry about it, I'll just use some other hotkeys for the backlight. Just thought there might be an easy answer.
[01:02] <swex> wfreeman: seems like kde just can't choose right one for you
[01:03] <swex> check for corresponding modules of lsmod
[01:03] <swex> and try to delete unnecessary with rmmod
[01:05] <wfreeman> Unfortunately, it looks like asus_wmi does lots of other things (which work correctly), so I'll just use some other hotkeys for the backlight. Solutions I've found involve hacking dsdt tables, which I'd prefer not to mess with atm :P
[01:12] <swex> wfreeman: also try to bug to https://bugs.kde.org/
[02:06] <BluesKaj> 'evening all
[04:51] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[05:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> would this be the right place to talk about a possible bug in kde network manager?
[05:02] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:27] <testerjester> hey
[07:27] <testerjester> it's been years since I have used IRC and Unix/Linux
[07:28] <testerjester> Just getting back on the horse.
[08:59] <inf> Hello. Any idea on how to fix blurred fullscreen flash clips? (especially youtube, kde 4.10, Chromium 25.0.1364.160)
[09:18] <liudas> hello everyone. failing install kde-workspace
[09:18] <liudas> i use ppa, atp-get update and then upgrade ays that failed install kde-workspace
[09:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:18] <liudas> laptop boot, but cant login
[09:20] <liudas> kubuntu version 12.10 i guess, i'll check that in few minutes
[11:18] <Strav> he. Can anyone tell me what is the preferred way to launch kmail in systray without having it's main window appearing on startup?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:47] <buchstabensalat> hi there. I'm trying kubuntu (and kde) for the first time right now and I have a problem with the file manager. the back and forward mouse buttons don't work. google says tinkering with xte and xbindkeys is a solution. is this really the only way? is there no mouse button support in kde?
[15:03] <ArchBeOS> hey guys, i was thinking about jumping to kubuntu as my laptop's main distro but before i did that are there any plans regarding mir? will kubuntu exist in a year
[15:03] <ArchBeOS> ?
[15:04] <thelionroars> do you really think ubuntu is going to drop all support fox X? Seems unlikely to me
[15:04] <lordievader> It is for as far as I know unsure if Kubuntu will use Mir or Wayland.
[15:05] <thelionroars> so no Wayland either?
[15:05] <ArchBeOS> so....vanilla KDE Debian?
[15:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, according to the ubuntu-users mailing digest, it all has to do with what lightdm will do.
[15:06] <ArchBeOS> who maintains lightdm?
[15:11] <thelionroars> I've done something funny to my sudo persmissions on my desktop, which I notice only when I try to update using the GUI. The updater won't accept my password, however I can update on the commandline using apt-get etc. Presumably trying to get su privileges for any other GUI utility has the same problems. Does anyone know what settings I need to change?
[15:12] <lordievader> ArchBeOS: I believe lightdm is a Canonical creation.
[15:13] <Wizard> Hi.
[15:13] <lordievader> Hey Wizard
[15:15] <Wizard> Seems that 13.04 is available for PowerPC :)
[15:16] <Wizard> Any people who tried it out here? :P
[15:17] <Wizard> lordievader: Hi, btw.
[15:17] <lordievader> Wizard: ;)
[16:06] <buchstabensalat> how fast after release are new kde version usually available in kubuntu? don't care if official backports or ppa
[16:25] <Walex2> buchstabensalat: some days to a week usually. No guarantees
[16:31] <buchstabensalat> ok, thank you
[17:39] <masahero> Hello
[19:23] <OerHeks> Awesome, 2nd screen dvi is working great on Kubuntu13.04 with Nvidia GT430
[19:29] <gabylinuxssd> hello everyone!
[19:29] <lordievader> Hey gabylinuxssd
[19:32] <gabylinuxssd> hello to all!
[19:32] <lordievader> Hey gabylinuxssd
[19:33] <gabylinuxssd> i have a little problem with thuinderbird and rss reading, it does not open links, and i think because it adds itself two backslahes before the link like: "//www..."
[19:33] <gabylinuxssd> i did  not found any solution on the net
[19:34] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: Do you have an example of what it does and what it should do?
[19:35] <gabylinuxssd> well,i see that the problem is on akregator,too..what it shoul do is simply open any link on clik or double click in any browser,but its not happening because the programs add two backslahes before the actual link
[19:36] <gabylinuxssd> i did not change any settings on the programs
[19:38] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: What happens when you right click the link and select 'Open link in browser'?
[19:38] <gabylinuxssd> on thunderbird nothing happens...and on akregator
[19:39] <gabylinuxssd> file:///www........   webpage not found when opened in any browser
[19:40] <gabylinuxssd> on viewing the source on thunderbird of the rss, i see the same: <base href="//www......."
[19:41] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: Have you tried other rss feeds? Perhaps it is simply the rss feed that is malformed.
[19:43] <gabylinuxssd> yes,thunderbird and akregator,and both programs are reading well the rss and the content of them,but whe i want to open the link on any browser the programs adds two backslahes before the link and i think this is why i cannot open in browser
[19:43] <gabylinuxssd> lordievader,can you try it yourself with a rss to see if this is general problem or only me?
[19:44] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: Give me a minute.
[19:45] <gabylinuxssd> ok
[19:47] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: Right I had an 'Account settings' bug, I cannot add accounts. Or do I add rss feeds elsewhere?
[19:48] <gabylinuxssd> in thunderbird:file, new, other account
[19:48] <gabylinuxssd> blogs and news feed
[19:54] <gabylinuxssd> lordievader, i see now something, on akregator, all the defaults feeds are working well and open links in browser,but i see that the format for the rss is "www.......rdf" and when i add new rss feed it does not have the rdf format
[19:54] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: The website link opens fine on this side of the screen.
[19:54] <gabylinuxssd> importingt a default kde rss on thunderbirds,the links are working too
[19:54] <gabylinuxssd> can you give me your test rss to test it here
[19:57] <lordievader> gabylinuxssd: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/rss
[19:57] <gabylinuxssd> ok,testing now
[19:59] <gabylinuxssd> yes, thanks lordievader, looks like my rss links are malformed because with your link is working ok
[20:00] <gabylinuxssd> but its strange because i get all the title and content but on double click it is not working
[20:05] <soee> anyone using latest Chrome and can confirm that G+ sometimes hangs ?
[20:06] <lordievader> soee: Let me check.
[20:06] <soee> lordievader, ok
[20:07] <soee> lordievader, wait from what i see i have 29-dev version, so this might be the problem
[20:08] <lordievader>  soee When it was still loading there where some short hangs, but after it fully loaded I saw no problem.
[20:09] <soee> lordievader, ok thank you
[20:09] <lordievader> soee: No problem ;)
[20:18] <gabylinuxssd> bye lordie,thanks
[21:48] <javierbuilder> hello i want use kubuntu active in 64 bits is this possible and install qt5 in him
[22:59] <klomak> ;
[23:29] <aguitel> what twitter client is wworking ?
[23:48] <shankstaBytes> when connecting via ssh how can i tell my ssh client to overwrite a known host?


[06:40] <pitti> Good morning
[07:58] <willcooke> Good morning all
[08:13] <tsdgeos> guys my indicator-time does randomly not start every say 10 or 20 times
[08:13] <tsdgeos> when i log in
[08:13] <tsdgeos> shitty bug report i know :/
[08:13]  * willcooke has seen this randomly as well
[08:14] <seb128> tsdgeos, maybe check .cache/upstart log for errors?
[08:14] <seb128> what is the status of the upstart job when that happens? is the binary running?
[08:14] <larsu> journalctl!
[08:14] <tsdgeos> binary is not running
[08:16] <tsdgeos> status of the job not sure since i just started it manually ^_^
[08:16] <tsdgeos> will try next time
[08:16] <seb128> k
[08:16] <seb128> nothing in the log?
[08:17] <tsdgeos> there's
[08:17] <tsdgeos> Indicator-Datetime-Message: indicator-datetime exiting; failed/lost bus ownership
[08:17] <tsdgeos> g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting.
[08:17] <tsdgeos> but is not from today but yesterda
[08:17] <tsdgeos> -rw-r----- 1 tsdgeos_work tsdgeos_work 197 feb  2 18:52 indicator-datetime.log.1.gz
[08:20] <larsu> tsdgeos: woah, dbus is stopped before the indicator
[08:20] <larsu> the indicators don't handle that case at all
[08:20]  * larsu wonders if we should assert
[08:21] <pitti> bonjour mes amis, comment avez-vous et le sprint ?
[08:21] <larsu> oh cool, GDBusConnection supports killing your process when the connection disappears
[08:21] <larsu> pitti: bonjour!
[08:22] <didrocks> bonjour pitti
[08:23] <larsu> didrocks: kopf hoch!
[08:24]  * didrocks does a fake smiling then
[08:24] <desrt> didrocks: i repeat my original suggestion :)
[08:24] <desrt> (ie: put the code in plymouth)
[08:25] <desrt> didrocks: stand up
[08:25] <didrocks> well, the goal was to have something that would work on the long term
[08:30] <pitti> "the code"> listening to fsckd?
[08:31] <pitti> 'cause, fsckd itself makes more sense in systemd itself, and it was already agreed that we want this
[08:32] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, that was this that we discussed (and what I explained yesterday)
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, salut! ça va bien, et toi ?
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien, merci ! debugging people's boot problems :)
[08:34] <seb128> pitti, my reboot/shutdown hangs until I sit on the power button, I saw you mentioned some cases where that can happen on the upstream list
[08:34] <seb128> pitti, how can I tell if I hit one of those?
[08:34] <pitti> seb128: /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian describes how to enable the debug shell
[08:34] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:34] <pitti> seb128: i. e. boot without "splash quiet", systemctl start debug-shell.service
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: then shut down, and when it hangs, Alt+F9 to get to the debug shell
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, exellent, thanks
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: then systemctl list-jobs shows you what it's waiting on
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: then you can poke further with systemctl status -l <unit>, etc.
[08:35] <pitti> seb128: thanks for doing that; please file a bug once you know what it's hanging on, I really want to track these issues
[08:36] <seb128> pitti, yw
[08:36] <seb128> pitti, that README doesn't say to boot without splash quiet
[08:36] <seb128> just to systemctl start debug-shell
[08:36] <pitti> seb128: well, it's not strictly necessary, but generally nicer to see what's going on without manual prodding
[08:38] <seb128> brb
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, ok, of course it doesn't happen when I try to reproduce, booted with the option anyway maybe later I hit it again
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: at least the issue I was discussing on the ML is a race condition; might require a few reboots indeed :/
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: you can just start the debug shell, so that you have it available once it happens
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, yeah, the README has a warning about doing that :p
[08:51] <pitti> seb128: you could also "systemctl enable debug-shell" if you always want it; but be aware that anyone with access to your computer then has a root shell :)
[08:51] <seb128> yeah
[08:53] <willcooke> mlankhorst, you ded?
[08:53] <willcooke> mlankhorst, feeling any better today?
[08:55] <darkxst> pitti, seb128 its a security hole either way, unless you have encypted partitions
[08:55] <pitti> darkxst: these don't help -- they are usually unlocked while running :)
[08:56] <pitti> the only thing that actually helps is per-user ecryptfs for users which are not currently logged in
[08:56] <pitti> but meh -- it's a debugging tool, exactly what it says on the tin :)
[08:56] <darkxst> it does make it a little too easy to get root access to a machine though
[08:57] <darkxst> not that its that hard to do it other ways also
[08:57] <darkxst> if you have physical access
[08:57] <pitti> sure; just reboot in rescue mode
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: FYI, jibel just reminded me that it might be modemmanager
[09:06] <pitti> that occasionally hits me too, under upstart as well
[09:06] <seb128> Trevinho, larsu, there is an issue with your bamf changes, it displays a low res gedit icon for me, quite visible in alt-tab
[09:06] <seb128> pitti, how do I tell if that's it?
[09:07] <darkxst> pitti, sure, many easy  ways to get root access when you have physical access to a machine
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: list-jobs would have a job for modem-manager
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, k
[09:07] <pitti> seb128: under upstart, I'm not sure; back then I dropped splash/quiet and just saw it hang there
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, I'm under systemd, so debugging that is good enough for me
[09:10] <larsu> seb128: clearly Trevinho's fault :P
[09:17] <tsdgeos> charles: you there?
[09:18] <seb128> tsdgeos, he's likely sleeping at this hour
[09:19] <tsdgeos> oki, i'll comment on the MR then
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu/vivid/syncevolution/default-syncInterval/+merge/247768 was the mr for the syncevolution change
[09:20] <seb128> it's still unapproved and not even closed or commented on...
[10:06] <mlankhorst> willcooke: slightly, still sick-ish
[10:06] <willcooke> mlankhorst, bad luck :/
[10:06] <willcooke> hope you are feeling better soon
[10:06] <mlankhorst> yep
[10:06] <mlankhorst> thanks
[10:07] <mlankhorst> btw Xmir can't leave the ppa until 1.17 is in vivid
[10:07] <willcooke> ah
[10:07] <willcooke> interesting
[10:07] <willcooke> Can the source not be made available via that project either?
[10:08] <mlankhorst> I would prefer to use a git tree for Xmir
[10:09] <willcooke> mlankhorst, can we still pull Xmir in to our projects/silos etc for inclusion in, let's say, a phone image?
[10:09] <mlankhorst> I think so
[10:10] <willcooke> mlankhorst, ok - didrocks does something similar for Make
[10:10] <willcooke> LP can point to Git as an upstream project and pull it in automagically
[10:10] <willcooke> let's do that :)

[10:11] <mlankhorst> for an upstream project is a /debian directory needed?
[10:11] <willcooke> erm, didrocks ^ can you advise?
[10:13] <happyaron> seems not important, it'll be ignored by dpkg-source eventually
[10:13] <Laney> you can have this in another branch
[10:15] <Laney> I guess pkg-xorg does something like that already
[10:15] <Laney> separate upstream and upstream+packaging branches
[10:25] <mlankhorst> yeah it's what happens right now
[10:25] <mlankhorst> on every release we'll merge the new upstream back to the branch with packaging
[10:27] <Laney> what's wrong with that then?
[10:33] <didrocks> mlankhorst: no debian directory needed
[10:33] <didrocks> its all magic :)
[10:33] <didrocks> mlankhorst: I can do it for you if you create the project and gives me the creds
[10:34] <didrocks> and point to the git upstream repo :)
[10:37] <Laney> oh for the import?
[10:56] <mlankhorst> ok, I don't have a git repo currently, lets see..
[11:02] <mlankhorst> git://people.freedesktop.org/~mlankhorst/xserver.git
[11:02] <mlankhorst> when it gets up in a bit
[11:11] <didrocks> mlankhorst: tell us when you registered the launchpad project
[11:13] <mlankhorst> https://launchpad.net/xmir already exists?
[11:14] <mlankhorst> could we use that?
[11:16] <didrocks> mlankhorst: yeah, ask duflu to fix the ownership though
[11:16] <didrocks> mlankhorst: or kgunn
[11:22] <mlankhorst> who do you want to have ownership?
[11:23] <mlankhorst> I can adjust it to anything it seems
[11:24] <duflu> didrocks, mlankhorst: Might be better to add Maarten to mir-team or create an xmir team
[11:24] <mlankhorst> duflu: https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+members ;-)
[11:25] <didrocks> mlankhorst: ok, so, if you create a new branch, there is an option to tell "hosted in a git repo"
[11:25] <didrocks> and then, just point to your git ^
[11:25] <duflu> OK, I need to fix nothing.
[11:25] <duflu> Lunch
[11:25] <didrocks> thanks duflu
[11:26] <mlankhorst> added
[11:28] <didrocks> mlankhorst: should appear in ~15min
[11:28] <didrocks> keep me posted
[11:53] <mlankhorst> oke
[13:48] <seb128> shrug
[13:48] <seb128> kenvandine, u-s-s tests seems unreliable again?
[13:48] <seb128> got a few different ones hitting CI errors :-/
[13:59] <kenvandine> seb128, :-(
[14:03] <tedg> seb128, kenvandine, do you guys know of a package overriding ctest? I was trying to do it and I can't seem to get the directory right. Looking for something to crib off of.
[14:03] <kenvandine> tedg, i haven't seen one
[14:12] <seb128> tedg, no, I don't
[14:13] <didrocks> larsu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10054163/
[14:14] <tedg> :-(
[14:14] <tedg> Someone had to have wanted verbose test logs, somewhere! :-)
[14:18] <tedg> So I think I need to be in the object directory.
[14:18] <tedg> How do I find that?
[14:19] <tedg> In my case it's: /home/ted/Development/indicator-sound/build-area/indicator-sound-12.10.2+15.04.20150129.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[14:25] <xnox> tedg: dh_auto_make -> will put you in the cmake's build directory as far as I can tell.
[14:27] <xnox> tedg: one can derive it from DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE it's
[14:27] <xnox> "obj-" . dpkg_architecture_value("DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE");
[14:27] <xnox> include /usr/share/dpkg/default.mk
[14:27] <xnox> "obj-"$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)
[14:27] <xnox> "
[14:28] <tedg> Cool, let me try that. I think I found an environment variable that might pass things to CTest as well.
[14:29] <tedg> Yes, so this works to pass an arg to CTest:
[14:29] <tedg> +override_dh_auto_test:
[14:29] <tedg> +	ARGS=-V dh_auto_test
[14:29] <tedg> We can talk about horrible variable naming later :-)
[14:29] <tedg> (wasn't me)
[14:34] <tedg> Thanks xnox
[14:34] <xnox> tedg: ewh
[14:34] <xnox> tedg: dh_auto_test -- -V=1
[14:34] <xnox> override_dh_auto_test:
[14:35] <xnox>      dh_auto_test -- -V=1
[14:35] <xnox> is aught to work
[14:35] <ogra_> but it doesnt use the beautiful "ARGS"
[14:35] <ogra_> :P
[14:35] <tedg> xnox, I think that passes the -V to make, which doesn't work.
[14:35] <tedg> xnox, It has to pierce through the makefile and into ctest.
[14:36]  * tedg heard you liked wrappers do he wrapped your make script in a dh_ helper so that it can wrap the test tool which wraps your tests
[14:37] <xnox> tedg: i would have thought:
[14:37] <xnox> dh_auto_configure -- -DCTEST_OUTPUT_ON_FAILURE=TRUE
[14:37] <xnox> would work
[14:37] <xnox> or
[14:37] <tedg> I don't want the output on failure, I want it on progress.
[14:37] <xnox> CTEST_OUTPUT_ON_FAILURE=TRUE dh_auto_test
[14:37] <xnox> oh, horum.
[14:37]  * xnox hates that cmake is non-free
[14:37] <tedg> The problem is the test is hanging on Jenkins.
[14:37] <xnox> documentation that is.
[14:37] <xnox> hehe =) Jenkins, got to love ya.
[14:38] <tedg> Yeah :-/
[14:38] <ochosi> xnox: hey there! i know it's very low priority and all, but also extremely low hanging fruit, mind to take a 1min peek at my 3-line ubiquity MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubiquity/xubuntu-panel-bg/+merge/247001
[14:38] <tedg> And since Jenkins just kills the whole thing instead of killing the leaf processes and letting make clean up, I don't get any logs.
[14:39] <xnox> ochosi: you want cyphermox
[14:39] <cyphermox> ah?
[14:39] <xnox> cyphermox: ^^^ from ochosi
[14:39] <cyphermox> yes yes
[14:40] <ochosi> ah
[14:40] <xnox> ah ah
[14:40]  * xnox joins the ah game
[14:40] <ochosi> xnox: sorry, i was under the impression you were *the* ubiquity guy :)
[14:40] <ochosi> otherwise i wouldn't have done the ad hominem ping
[14:40] <ochosi> thanks for fwding me
[14:40] <xnox> ochosi: i am just a minion.
[14:40] <ochosi> and hi cyphermox :)
[14:40] <cyphermox> howdy :)
[14:40] <xnox> ochosi: cyphermox is a more responsive minion =)
[14:40] <ochosi> xnox: you mean one of those little yellow ones? :]
[14:41] <ogra_> ubiquity makes you crazy if you work in it to long ... so we try to rotate the devs before we need to send them to asylum
[14:41] <ochosi> haha
[14:41] <xnox> ochosi: BA-NA-NA
[14:41] <cyphermox> I see myself more like an umpa-lumpa, but minion works ;)
[14:41] <ochosi> heh, well given that its codebase drives you crazy, ubiquity works well enough :)
[14:55] <davmor2> cyphermox: I don't believe it there is no oompaloompa vs minion videos :D
[14:55] <cyphermox> omg.
[14:58] <andyrock> seb128, you here?
[14:58] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[14:58] <andyrock> so i'm working on the large text bug again (was busy in the last few days)
[14:58] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, how is the segfault issue going?
[14:59] <andyrock> know unity correctly updates the value of text-scaling-factor (the gnome setting)
[14:59] <andyrock> but the applications need to be refocused
[14:59] <seb128> andyrock, that's a bug in GTK I think
[15:00] <andyrock> to get the large text
[15:00] <seb128> Laney, larsu ^
[15:00] <andyrock> also the gtk widgets in 14.10 scales nicely
[15:00] <andyrock> *scale
[15:01] <andyrock> in 15.04 they fail to scale and text does not fit
[15:01] <andyrock> another no-unity bug
[15:06] <seb128> larsu, Laney ^
[15:06] <seb128> andyrock, what widgets?
[15:16] <larsu> Laney: ^
[15:17] <Laney> WHAT
[15:17] <desrt> seb128: ping
[15:17] <seb128> desrt, PONG
[15:17] <didrocks> those guys…
[15:17] <desrt> seb128: so we're playing tennis now, or what?
[15:17] <didrocks> seb128: Laney: larsu: desrt: those guys!
[15:17] <seb128> oh yeah
[15:17] <seb128> double with a refereee = 5
[15:18] <desrt> size of a shift in hockey, excluding the goalie
[15:18] <desrt> also five!
[15:18] <desrt> and omg
[15:18] <desrt> seb128 + didrocks + Laney + larsu + desrt ...
[15:18] <desrt> also five
[15:19] <larsu> + willcooke is also 5
[15:19] <desrt> willcooke can be the goalie
[15:19] <larsu> ballboy
[15:20] <desrt> it would suck to have a nick that didn't have 5 letters in it
[15:20] <desrt> sure glad i don't have to live that life
[15:20] <andyrock> seb128, http://imagebin.ca/v/1qVP9Bni8IMD
[15:21] <andyrock> after a while they get the correct dimensions
[15:21] <andyrock> the text just need a refocus
[15:21] <andyrock> the widgets (in the pictures) need some time more
[15:22] <andyrock> seb128, and it happens on nautilus, u-c-c and others
[15:23] <seb128> andyrock, yeah, looks like a gtk issue, please fix the unity side still
[15:24] <andyrock> ok, i can look inside the gtk side as well but I need some help to start
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, larsu ^
[15:25] <larsu> Laney: ^
[15:26] <Laney> WHAT
[15:26] <larsu> WAT
[15:26] <Laney> thanks it's in our brain space and will look soon
[15:26] <cyphermox> seb128: still in my PPA, with the other fix too
[15:27] <andyrock> Laney, regarding the issue with "large text"
[15:27] <andyrock> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1408212
[15:28] <andyrock> Laney, a fix for Unity is in progress
[15:28] <andyrock> but likely there is some issue on gtk as well
[15:32] <andyrock> seb128, I proposed a fix right now
[15:32] <andyrock> seb128, I'm working on an utility class to avoid this issue in the feature but for the moment is better to fix it asap
[15:32] <didrocks> willcooke: bregma: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1364070
[15:33] <andyrock> didrocks, last time it was working fine
[15:33] <seb128> attente_,  gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface text-scaling-factor
[15:34] <andyrock> didrocks, likely you where using new gsettings
[15:34] <andyrock> *were
[15:35] <didrocks> andyrock: did you look at the bug report?
[15:35] <didrocks> andyrock: it was reporting way before the gsettings change
[15:35] <didrocks> reported*
[15:35] <didrocks> andyrock: and it's 80% of the time
[15:35] <andyrock> didrocks, yep i know
[15:35] <didrocks> (see description)
[15:35] <andyrock> but I can't reproduce 100%
[15:35] <didrocks> andyrock: so, it's not due to the new gsettings
[15:35] <didrocks> yeah, 80%
[15:35] <didrocks> getting bug reports everyday
[15:35] <didrocks> seb128: you got it as well, isn't it?
[15:36] <seb128> I saw it yeah
[15:41] <andyrock> didrocks, how do you create the desktop file?
[15:41] <didrocks> andyrock: in ~/.local/share/applications
[15:41] <didrocks> just writing to it through python
[15:42] <didrocks> andyrock: want an example?
[15:42] <didrocks> (it shows up in the dash, and I can add it afterward)
[15:42] <didrocks> andyrock: again, it's working like 20% of time
[15:43] <didrocks> so, maybe a timestamp issue?
[15:43] <didrocks> (gsettings has the right values with gsettings get)
[15:45] <andyrock> didrocks, k I'll try to reproduce it again
[15:45] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:46] <andyrock> didrocks, maybe bamf's fault as well
[15:48] <bregma> willcooke, another thing we need to have a strategy for is applications that make explicit X11 calls despite using a toolkit
[15:49] <willcooke> bregma, is that not convered by Xmir?
[15:49] <bregma> only if it's using XMir
[15:49] <willcooke> Ahh, so, e.g. Gtk apps which also call X11
[15:50] <bregma> yeah, like gksudo
[15:50] <willcooke> erk
[15:50] <didrocks> andyrock: oh, good one
[15:50] <bregma> or QtCreator
[15:50] <didrocks> andyrock: when it happens, a logout/login "fixes" it, so can be bamf,yeah
[15:50] <willcooke> Sounds like another "exceptions list" thing
[15:50] <Trevinho> andyrock: I think it's not bamf, but mostly related to the icons priority
[15:51] <Trevinho> I had a change that was resetting it after a reorder, so maybe that's enough but it had other downsides
[15:51] <bregma> willcooke, we're thinking a small fake Xlib might solve some problems (setting WM atoms is a common reason to call X11 directly)
[15:51] <andyrock> Trevinho, unity asks bamf is a desktop file is a good one right?
[15:51] <andyrock> *if
[15:51] <Trevinho> no
[15:52] <willcooke> bregma, oh - much nicer :)
[15:52] <andyrock> mmm so it's not the problem
[16:38] <larsu> someone hug desrt
[16:41] <desrt> larsu: ?
[16:41] <larsu> desrt: you looked like you needed one when you were fighting with wp
[16:41] <desrt> ah.  ya.
[16:42] <desrt> evil wp.
[16:44] <andyrock> didrocks, ok i can reproduce the issue
[16:47] <Laney> wee
[16:47] <Laney> 46,000th launchpad email
[16:47] <Laney> since Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 19:29:21 -0000
[16:50] <desrt> Laney: good job.  have a cookie.
[16:51] <Laney> I'll take one at 50,000 instead
[16:51] <desrt> :)
[16:51] <desrt> larsu seems happy
[16:51] <didrocks> andyrock: sweet!
[16:52] <larsu> desrt: he is!
[20:04] <cyphermox> ochosi: your ubiquity change looks fine, but you should know that ubiquity-panel-bg.png doesn't currently seem to be installed from shimmer-themes.
[23:16] <ochosi> cyphermox: hm, weird, it's in git and i thought there was a release+upload already. i'll check again. good thing is, even if it fails, i.e. that file isn't there, ubiquity won't fail/break
[23:16] <ochosi> cyphermox: thanks for reviewing/approving and letting me know!
[23:42] <andyrock> desrt, ping


[04:50] <doko> srwarren: no yet, but we'll stick with GCC 7 as the default
[15:12] <srwarren> doko, thanks.


[02:07] <AJenbo> hi, i have bindwood installed for months, U1 syncs files fine but the bookmarks are nothing a like on my systems, what gives?
[02:08]  * karni wants to ping beuno but thinks it's an unappropriate time to do that..
[02:08] <karni> AJenbo: the whole crew just finished job few hours ago. but maybe someone else will be able to answer your question. (I don't use bindwood myself)
[02:10] <AJenbo> ok cool, I'll just comeback later, it's not critical just anoying
[02:10] <duanedesign> hello AJenbo. Do you have a thread on the forums?
[02:11] <karni> hey duanedesign :)
[02:11] <duanedesign> was just reading the forums earlier and noticed a thread on this topic.
[02:11]  * duanedesign waves at karni
[02:11] <AJenbo> duanedesign, no is there any specific sektion? and are you refering to ubuntuforums.org?
[02:12] <duanedesign> AJenbo: yeah it was on ubuntuforums. Did not have any insight yet, just a user with an issue about bookmarks not syncing
[02:13] <duanedesign> AJenbo: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[02:17] <AJenbo> duanedesign, it's 10.10
[02:17] <AJenbo> This machine was upgraded from 10.04 the other was from beta
[02:52] <karni> I don't think I've ever eaten supper at 4AM. that's what happens when you sleep till 4PM !
[03:46] <karni> 80 character line limit is killing me. that may be good for Python, but is just no good for Java :<
[14:47] <dougal_> hey guys, quick Q about the StorageProtocol; should MAKE_FILE always have a parent node?  I was assuming that it would, but easy_client.py seems to be generating them with an empty string.
[14:47] <dougal_> Not sure if that's expected behaviour, or if I've broken something :-)
[14:50] <dougal_> __lucio__ ?
[15:05] <dougal_> weekend probably isn't the best time for this type of question...
[15:34] <karni> dougal_: perhaps I can help
[15:34] <dougal_> hey karni
[15:34] <karni> dougal_: I'm using Java for the protocol stuff, however I have some know-how knowledge
[15:35] <karni> dougal_: hey. so, make_file should always have a parent node, yes
[15:35] <dougal_> cool
[15:35] <karni> dougal_: it tells it where should it create the new file
[15:35] <dougal_> ok, that's what I thought
[15:35] <dougal_> doesn't make sense without one ;-P
[15:36] <karni> you say, easy_client is generating them (files?) with an empty string (for the parent?)
[15:36] <dougal_> I'm using java too, just running the python to see how I should behave
[15:36] <karni> dougal_: the parent is the nodeId of the directory you're creating the file in (I'm sure you know that)
[15:36] <dougal_> yup
[15:37] <dougal_> what I'm seeing is
[15:37] <karni> dougal_: this is my call to makeFile in JAva: final Deferred d = makeFile(volume, parent, filename).getDeferred();
[15:37]  * karni is listening
[15:38] <dougal_> C: get_content node=<root node>
[15:38] <dougal_> s: node_attr
[15:38] <dougal_> s:bytes
[15:38] <dougal_> s: EOF
[15:38] <dougal_> c:make_file
[15:38] <karni> I should warn I haven't played with easy_client.py so I'm not sure what c: and s: stand for
[15:38] <karni> c: command?
[15:39] <karni> right
[15:39] <dougal_> c == client, s == server
[15:39] <karni> (or client)
[15:39] <karni> uhm
[15:39] <dougal_> :)
[15:39] <karni> c:make_file (what's next)
[15:39] <dougal_> the full message the client sends is type: MAKE_FILE
[15:39] <dougal_> make {
[15:39] <dougal_>   share: ""
[15:39] <dougal_>   parent_node: ""
[15:39] <dougal_>   name: "0"
[15:39] <dougal_> }
[15:40] <karni> looks like you're not providing some parameters?
[15:40] <karni> dougal_: where can I get the easy_client from
[15:40] <dougal_> After make_file i'm expecting s:new_file, but that never happens - and I'm guessing it's because the client message is malformed
[15:41] <dougal_> it's in the StorageProtocol/samples directory
[15:41] <karni> yes it is. it should be make { share: "share_id_here" parent_node: "parent_id_here" name: "filename" }
[15:41] <karni> and I can see it's empty
[15:41] <karni> from what you're saying
[15:41] <karni> dougal_: if you tell me where I can find the easy client, I may be able to help.
[15:42] <dougal_> it's part of canonical's StorageProtocol distribution:
[15:42] <dougal_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/trunk/files/head:/samples/?file_id=protocol-20090314184633-4p25gp4a9he1gq2a-23
[15:43] <karni> oh, I have it. let me see.
[15:43] <karni> there it is
[15:43] <dougal_> my python fu is not up to the task :-)
[15:44] <dougal_> I think the 'twisted' library is well named - it seems pretty twisted....
[15:45] <karni> hmm this fails for me.. port_num = int(open("tmp/ubuntuone-api.port").read())
[15:45] <karni> dougal_: dude.. it's twisted like hell xD
[15:46] <karni> dougal_: so, make_file is calling  self.make_file(request.ROOT, self.cwd_id, name) -- which should provide 3 non-empty parameters
[15:46] <dougal_> I had to set the port manually
[15:46] <karni> dougal_: suggestions?
[15:47] <dougal_> towards the bottom of easy_client.py - just before the call to authenticated client.
[15:47] <karni> yea I know, what should be the port number :)?
[15:47] <dougal_> My line numbers are all messed up now
[15:48] <karni> np
[15:48] <dougal_> oh, I think canonicals server only listens on 443?
[15:48] <dougal_> but I think it'll fail to authenticate against the live server...
[15:48] <karni> oh.. xD I thoguht it was using U1/dbus/stuff and used local port.
[15:48] <karni> yes they are
[15:49] <dougal_> nah - this is the wire protocol stuff,.
[15:49] <karni> and setup tokens argh..
[15:49] <karni> I don't think I have time for this game now :(
[15:50] <karni> Gotta code the android app
[15:50] <dougal_> :-)
[15:50] <dougal_> ok
[15:50] <karni> dougal_: you know there's Java implementation of the storage protocol, right?
[15:50] <dougal_> what's the impl you're working on?
[15:50] <dougal_> I didn't know that no.
[15:50] <karni> U1 for android
[15:51] <karni> let me show you the protocol branch
[15:51] <karni> no wonder, it's non-official yet
[15:51] <dougal_> ahh - cool
[15:51] <dougal_> :)
[15:51] <karni> dougal_: have fun! https://code.launchpad.net/~verterok/+junk/ubuntuone-java-storageprotocol
[15:52] <karni> dougal_: don't let that +junk mislead you. although it's not complete, it's functional.
[15:52] <dougal_> hehe
[15:52] <dougal_> will pull it down and have a play - Thanks for your help!
[15:53] <karni> you're welcome
[17:40] <bobbyj> hello
[19:27] <dougal_> heh: karni - i managed to sort my problem.
[19:27] <karni> dougal_: awesome :)
[19:27] <karni> dougal_: what was wrong?
[19:27] <dougal_> dunno what was _wrong_, but I fixed it by adding some extra logging in easy_client
[19:28] <dougal_> I'm not really sure how twisted works, but:
[19:28] <dougal_>  d.addCallback(is_directory)
[19:28] <dougal_>  d.addCallback(skip_result, log, "is_directory %s returned." %d)
[19:28] <dougal_>  return d
[19:29] <dougal_> without that middle line it sends an empty parent, with it, i get the correct node.
[19:30] <karni> dougal_: whatever whas the d deferred, when it's done, the is_directory will be called, and then skip_result will be called. each one forwards the result to the next one.
[19:30] <dougal_> yeah - so i thought the skipresult would do nothing but log
[19:30] <dougal_> so that middle line should have no effect on execution
[19:30] <karni> dougal_: it's a bit different in python (I see some additional parameters), not sure what they do but looks like plain logging.
[19:31] <karni> I'm not sure, it's a little out of context..
[19:34] <dougal_> it's the is_directory call in easy_client.py
[19:34] <dougal_> I added it to see what was being returned by the is_directory callback - it's supposed to be the directory node we're about to create the new file in
[19:34] <karni> but the d must have came from somewhere :)
[19:34] <dougal_>             d = self._get_content(parent)
[19:35] <karni> i thought we were trying to make a file, not to download a file ;)
[19:35] <karni> anyway, gotta leave, quite busy time for me :<
[19:36] <karni> dougal_: I'm glad you're making progress!
[19:36] <karni> looks like that easy_client is not that easy (at least with no documentation (?) )
[19:36] <dougal_> it's trying to create a file in a specific directory, so it gets the directory to check it actually is a directory...
[19:36] <karni> I see
[19:36] <dougal_> might just be that I'm unfamiliar wit the python
[19:37] <dougal_> but heh - thanks for your help
[19:37] <karni> didn't help much! you managed on your own
[19:37] <dougal_> :-)
[19:37] <dougal_> I look forward to seeing the android storageprotocol client!
[19:39] <karni> dougal_: the Java storageprotocol client works fine on android, it's the whole rest around that :) thank you!
[19:43] <dougal_> Well, i'm really interested, but will stop distracting you.  Thanks again.
[19:44] <karni> dougal_: Have a great day/evening :)
[19:45] <karni> dougal_: You can always ping me on #ubuntuone
[23:21] <VmKid> hi
[23:21] <VmKid> Can someone help me? I didn't get the sign-up e-mail.
[23:24] <arch_is_awesome> Hey, I was wondering why ubuntu one syncs my contacts twice on iPhone.
[23:25] <karni> VmKid: arch_is_awesome: How should I say this. Middle of the weekend is not the best moment to ask :( Try on monday and you'll definitely get some attention!
[23:25] <karni> just a regular user saying.
[23:25] <VmKid> I didn't think so. I'll try signing up again later.
[23:25] <VmKid> I can't blame people
[23:26] <karni> VmKid: sure, try again :)
[23:26] <arch_is_awesome> I see, the problem its this is very important and it needs to be done now.
[23:26] <karni> VmKid: but asking is fine :)
[23:26] <arch_is_awesome> Should I ask in #ubuntu?
[23:26] <karni> arch_is_awesome: Not really, this is the best place to ask.
[23:26] <VmKid> That's how I got Ubuntu set up in the first place. pure stubbornness and a new install disc.
[23:27] <karni> VmKid: :)
[23:27] <karni> arch_is_awesome: Unless you have paid plan and start poking people on the channel, you won't get much help. It's ~0:00 Sat/Sun weekend in Europe, and afternoon in US.
[23:28] <karni> arch_is_awesome: I'm sorry, but I don't think I can help you with the contact sync (I'm not much into Funambol at the moment)
[23:30] <arch_is_awesome> It is about 6:30 EST Now (GMT-5)
[23:32] <arch_is_awesome> Okay then bye
[23:32] <karni> bye bye
[23:38] <arch_is_awesome> bazhang: I am now.
[23:40] <arch_is_awesome> Oh yes, also the ubuntu one music streaming stops in the middle of playing something
[23:41] <arch_is_awesome> bazhang: still there?
[23:41] <bazhang> arch_is_awesome, repeat your question, and be patient
[23:42] <arch_is_awesome> Okay then, when I add a contact via the web interface it works...
[23:42] <arch_is_awesome> but then when I sync the contact using an iPhone it gets downloaded twice...
[23:42] <arch_is_awesome> which makes it so that I have two of the same contact.
[23:42] <arch_is_awesome> btw, thanks for the halp.
[23:42] <arch_is_awesome> halp = help
[23:43] <arch_is_awesome> oop
[23:43] <arch_is_awesome> s
[23:43] <arch_is_awesome> Afterwards I also need help with another thing (if you have the time): The ubuntu one music streaming stops in the middle of playing something
[23:43] <arch_is_awesome> Thanks in advance
[23:45] <karni> CardinalFang: maybe you'll be able to help if that msg survives when you come by ↑
[23:47] <CardinalFang> arch_is_awesome, karni, we have found a problem with the streaming on the server end.  We think we'll have it solved in the next few days.
[23:48] <karni> arch_is_awesome: fire the question about iPhone as long as the dev's here ;)
[23:48] <karni> "Hey, I was wondering why ubuntu one syncs my contacts twice on iPhone."
[23:48] <CardinalFang> It has something to do with the timeout of threads.  Download at full speed works, but a congested connection takes too long and the connection is reaped before it's finished.
[23:48] <karni> looks like he's away.
[23:48] <karni> CardinalFang: thanks for dropping by
[23:48] <arch_is_awesome> Thanks CardinalFang
[23:50] <arch_is_awesome> Phone -> web works fine
[23:50] <CardinalFang> arch_is_awesome, sorry, I don't know anything of the internals of the iPhone app.
[23:50] <arch_is_awesome> I don't like the iPhone anyway, actually it isn't even mine! :/
[23:51]  * arch_is_awesome = :/
[23:51] <arch_is_awesome> So, shouldn
[23:51] <arch_is_awesome> 't it work with fanambol?


[05:31] <nuvolari> o/
[05:53] <jabberwocky_> Maaz coffee on
[05:53]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for jabberwocky_!
[06:07] <Kilos> morning jabberwocky_ Spekko bushtech_ and others
[06:07] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[06:08] <bushtech_> morning Kilos
[06:08] <Spekko> more kilos
[06:18] <Squirm> hey all
[06:18] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:18] <Kilos> lo ThatGraemeGuy
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:28] <jabberwocky_> môre Kilos bushtech Spekko Squirm ThatGraemeGuy and others :P
[06:28] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[06:29] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos, jabberwocky_, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm, Spekko, bushtech_
[06:29] <Kilos> more nuvolari
[06:30] <jabberwocky_> hi nuvolari
[06:31] <Kilos> ill be on and off again today looks like. 14.04 cant login to my router for some reason
[06:32] <Kilos> via browser that is
[06:32] <Kilos> grrrr
[06:36] <Kilos> now vodacom wants to buy neotel for 7 billion
[06:36] <Kilos> i thought they were struggling
[06:38] <Kilos> when im struggling i cant even buy airtime never mind the the neighbours plot
[06:38] <Kilos> Xethron, ping
[06:39] <Xethron> Heya Kilos :)
[06:40] <Kilos> Xethron, is it you that put ubuntu onto a mac?
[06:40] <Xethron> Nope :P
[06:40] <Kilos> aw who was it
[06:47] <Spekko> more nuvolari
[07:16] <charl_> morning all
[07:16] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:16] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[07:18] <jabberwocky_> Kilos: it's a big risk trying to by neotel, but it could give them the upper hand. I would try to do the same
[07:19] <jabberwocky_> Neotel wasn't managed very well, I'm sure vodacom can do a better job
[07:20] <jabberwocky_> on the other side of things Cell C has never turned a net profit and they are still here
[07:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[07:20] <jabberwocky_> morning charl_
[07:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[07:21] <jabberwocky_> *buy
[07:21] <Kilos> whats with all you okes. who is the guy that installed ubuntu onto a mac successfully some weeks back
[07:21] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[07:22] <Private_User> hi everybody else
[07:23] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:23] <charl_> hi jabberwocky_
[07:23] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:23] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[07:27] <Vince-0> o.
[07:27] <Vince-0> o/
[07:29] <jabberwocky_> hi Vince-0
[07:31] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:32]  * Kilos struggling to install teamviewer. software centre and gdebi go through the motions of installing but dont successfully install
[07:33] <Kilos> so ran sudo dpkg -i teamviewer and got
[07:33] <Kilos> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:33] <Kilos>  teamviewer
[07:36] <Vince-0> (works on Fedora) lolz
[07:37] <Kilos> hehe
[07:38] <Kilos> ok i put the package into archives and used aptitude to reinstall now it works
[07:38] <Kilos> so me lolz too
[08:32] <Kerbero> more ook kilos
[08:32] <Kerbero> en die res van julle ander mense
[08:42] <Kilos> ohi superfly inetpro
[08:50] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:51] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[08:51] <superfly> hi Kilos, inetpro
[09:09] <Vince-0> surp
[11:20] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[11:20] <Kilos> you the yoyo today bushtech
[12:08] <charl_> good afternoon people
[12:08] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[12:08]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:08] <charl_> busy with contunious integration
[12:08] <charl_> *continuous
[12:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[12:48] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[12:48] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[14:18] <Kilos> HI charl_
[14:48] <Vince-0> o//
[15:03] <jabberwocky_> charl_: that sounds cool, are you using any open source projects?
[16:00] <Kilos> HI Private_User
[16:00] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[16:14] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[16:15] <Kilos> plustwo, where is the old man
[16:30] <kbmonkey> superfly, if you mean the maze underground yes, I got lost in it!
[16:31] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> haha hi kbmonkey
[16:31] <Kilos> im still trying to build my first house here before i go online
[16:31] <kbmonkey> using 14.04 for a bit, moving windows around feels so tacky. any hints how I can make it snappier?
[16:31] <Kilos> or do you go build there
[16:32] <kbmonkey> ja ja I just go build there
[16:32] <Kilos> what you mean moving them around
[16:32] <kbmonkey> click title bar + drag
[16:32] <Kilos> have you installed unity-tweak-tool
[16:33] <kbmonkey> even opening menus
[16:34] <kbmonkey> not yet. am unsure of tweaking, wanna try use it as close to default as possible. or would you recommend tweak Kilos ?
[16:34] <Kilos> i have made 10 workspaces and run certain things on certain ones then just click its working icon in the launcher to switch to them
[16:34] <Kilos> ya the tweak can do lots of things
[16:35] <kbmonkey> nice!
[16:35] <Kilos> the switch to another workspace is instant
[16:37] <kbmonkey> running updates now
[16:38] <charl_> JabberwockyA19: jenkins, artifactory and sonarqube
[16:38] <charl_> together with openjdk and maven
[16:42] <kbmonkey> I made some ladders on the minetest world, built into the clouds and planted sky-trees. Ke ke
[16:42] <Kilos> lol
[16:43] <Kilos> its actually a major job and then it becomes night and i lost my torch
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:43] <kbmonkey> you start with 99 torches.
[16:44] <kbmonkey> in the fly's world
[16:46] <Kilos> wow
[16:50] <charl_> hey kbmonkey, Kilos
[16:50] <charl_> how's it going with you folks
[16:50] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[16:51] <Kilos> just cold. 6°c tonight
[16:51] <charl_> i'm good
[16:53] <kbmonkey> good thanks charl_ , glad to hear it is all well
[16:54] <kbmonkey> updates installing...
[16:55] <kbmonkey> wonder if I should have a dinner before I start on the games :p
[16:55] <Kilos> maybe thats a good idea
[16:56] <kbmonkey> lol
[16:56] <kbmonkey> then I install these extra packages meanwhile
[16:56] <Kilos> the tweak is tiny
[16:57] <Kilos> and in the repos
[16:57] <kbmonkey> ah yes +1
[16:58] <kbmonkey> be back in  a few
[16:58] <Kilos> kk
[17:46] <Kilos> the game needs a gps so i can find my way back again
[17:48]  * Kilos cries. lost my furnace looking for coal
[17:52] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:54] <kbmonkey> did you leave the furnace somewhere you forgot to find again?
[17:55] <Kilos> ya
[17:55] <Kilos> had to walk far for wood for torch then got lost
[17:55] <Kilos> all the ups and downs
[18:00] <kbmonkey> hey I see you in the distance on minetest Kilos !
[18:00] <Kilos> haha
[18:00] <Kilos> where
[18:01] <kbmonkey> I'll come
[18:01] <kbmonkey> you press t in game to chat too
[19:46] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:14] <superfly> kbmonkey: ping
[20:16] <superfly> kbmonkey: I see you're up in the sky
[20:16] <superfly> someone has died a few times
[20:59] <superfly> kbmonkey: thanks for letting me show you around :-D


[00:41] <hypatia> hehe i'm not sure that was the intended effect
[00:50] <elky> Looking at the context, it was poorly worded but in response to someone pretty much abusing the existance of -offtopic as an alternative support channel.
[00:55] <LjL> i wonder though what was wrong with the previous unwritten policy of just telling them "look, you should probably try asking that question in #ubuntu, asking here is likely to get no responses or playful responses"
[00:56] <LjL> (in all fairness the topic doesn't tell them they *can't* ask things that resemble support questions, but everyone seems to have interpreted it that way)
[00:57] <tsimpson> I think, as the topic says, people should use common sense. if something is obviously better off asked in #ubuntu, you should direct them there
[00:58] <LjL> agreed. well then i'll use my common sense of, when someone says "no support here! go to #ubuntu and begone" to point out that that's not the case ;)
[00:59] <LjL> because seriously it's like a bandwagon. there are questions that #ubuntu 99.99% WON'T answer, and that users who were lucky enough to find #ubuntu-offtopic would find an answer for there
[00:59] <LjL> but now, every time the "no support" thing is spelled out more vehemently by whoever is trying to enforce it
[01:00] <LjL> i don't call that common sense
[01:01] <tsimpson> that policy isn't "no support in #ubuntu-offtopic", it just says that if the conversation it turning into a support discussion, you should probably move it to one of the support channels
[01:02] <tsimpson> I think that leaves room for interpretation and our beloved common sense
[01:03] <LjL> tsimpson: yes, but what i'm saying is that most people (most ops included) seem to actually interpret it as an actual "no support in #ubuntu-offtopic" policy. i'm glad you confirm it's not, though.
[01:30] <Corey> Why did we have idoru pulled out of #ubuntu again?
[01:31] <LjL> Corey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports/11/April
[02:11] <rww> 01:08 < NictraSavios> My full project is this. Take BT, restore it to a fully Functional desktop, Upgrade it to 10.10, then merge it into Linux Mint 11
[02:12] <rww> It's like some sort of ridiculous amalgamation of unsupported!
[02:12] <Flannel> rww: 10.10 is supported still!
[02:12] <persia> What's "BT" in this context?
[02:13] <rww> Backtrack Linux
[02:13] <Flannel> Backtrack, I imagine
[02:14] <persia> Oh my.
[02:15] <rww> and now a Crunchbang user wandered in! (but appears to be okay with leaving, unlike Mr Savios, who is in my mental list of problem users for some reason anyway)
[02:15] <hypatia> rww: that sounds like the worst idea ever
[02:15] <rww> oh, and the BT+Mint+whatever user is running as root.
[02:15] <hypatia> the BT one
[02:15] <hypatia> haha of course, BT is always root
[02:16] <hypatia> it's also.... not intended as a regular-use desktop, at all
[02:17] <rww> Indeed. bazhang used to point this out to people who use it as such, but nobody listens ;(
[02:17] <rww> !away > necromancer`zzz
[02:17]  * hypatia sighs
[02:19] <rww> hrm, I don't see anything in bantracker about that user. maybe I'm getting them mixed up with someone else.
[02:20] <rww> hypatia: the most facepalmy part of the whole root thing is that #backtrack-linux is +b *!*root*@*
[02:30] <rww> oh for crying out loud, they came back with an attitude.
[02:30] <rww> @random ban quiet icecream
[02:31] <rww> thanks ubottu, you're a trooper
[02:32] <hypatia> rww: the #backtrack-linux thing is hilarious
[02:35]  * rww notes comment on BT #40373
[02:39]  * rww considers setting #ubuntu +r for a day or so
[02:41] <Flannel> rww: subtract five from that!
[02:56] <Jordan_U> Set +r for negative 4 days?
[03:40] <Flannel> Jordan_U: 'r' - 5 = 'm'
[03:41] <Jordan_U> Flannel: You and your non type safe languages.
[05:54] <rww> LjL: ^ well I guess that fixes some of the banforwards I incorrectly removed >.>
[05:57] <Tm_T> good morning
[05:58] <rww> mornin'
[06:11] <rww> !away > mactimes_afk
[07:41] <Jordan_U> Could someone help ease tentions in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:45] <Jordan_U> Well, that was easier than I expected it to be :)
[07:47] <popey> heh
[07:51] <Jordan_U> Or not...
[08:11] <Jordan_U> I suspect that PseudoGou may be a troll.
[08:11] <Flannel> They're out of -ot
[08:11] <Flannel> Oh, and in #u
[08:11] <Jordan_U> I think they're trying to start a confrontation with me.
[08:12] <Jordan_U> And I clearly am too tired to even keep nicks straight right now. I've confused viks and virion more than five times already :(
[12:51] <ikonia> hello necreo
[12:58] <LjL> necreo: anything you need?
[15:07]  * arvut Noisa - Consience <-youtube it! =) bye!
[15:29] <jpds> No.
[15:30] <IdleOne> No?
[15:31] <soren> jpds: Why so negative?
[15:32] <highvoltage> omg soren is a bot.
[15:32] <soren> "is a bot" is not a known command.
[15:33] <IdleOne> /msg soren Hello
[15:33] <IdleOne> /msg soren password iownyou
[15:35] <jpds> IdleOne: http://i.imgur.com/Ov5XP.png
[15:35] <IdleOne> he looks sad
[15:35] <IdleOne> think he needs a hug
[15:35] <soren> jpds: heh :)
[16:26] <sdhasu> hey there pretty mama
[16:26] <sdhasu> am i as studly as the statue of david?
[16:27] <IdleOne> you're back
[16:27] <IdleOne> sdhasu: is this annoying behaviour going to continue indefinitely?
[16:27] <sdhasu> answer me
[16:27] <sdhasu> am i as studly as the statue of david or what?
[16:28] <IdleOne> I'll take that as a yes.
[16:28] <sdhasu> u look like the girl that could use 2 boyfriends?
[18:32]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[18:50] <Corey> Lovely.
[18:51] <Pici> bleh
[18:53] <rww> they're back.
[18:55] <IdleOne> let them come clarify the crappy attitude in here.
[18:56] <highvoltage> rww: poltergeist reference there? :)
[19:07] <rww> highvoltage: no, actually ;P
[19:10] <LjL> ptime had just come from ##linux after being banned there for trolling
[19:10] <rww> also #freenode
[19:11] <Pici> Yeah, also shares the same host as the bunch of bots that joined freenode.
[19:11] <LjL> ah
[19:32] <Corey> Was 11.04 a hairier release than most?
[19:32] <IdleOne> yes
[19:33] <ikonia> scrappy release
[19:33] <IdleOne> The barber sold the shop to a landscaper...
[19:34] <IdleOne> but keep in mind that non-lts are testbeds IMHO of course
[19:34] <Corey> IdleOne: Granted, but that's a bit harder to sell to the average desktop user. :-)
[19:34] <Corey> The Lucid LTS has been irritating me.
[19:34] <IdleOne> isn't it though
[19:35] <Pici> Unity went over about a poorly as many of us had suspected.
[19:36] <Corey> I've tripped over a few bugs marked WONTFIX.
[19:37] <Corey> They all more or less come back to upstart. :-/
[19:39] <ikonia> Corey: the whole bug process with ubuntu is a massive failure
[19:40] <Pici> Well, I wouldn't go that far, but its rather messy.
[19:40] <ikonia> every bug is "need more info" "won't fix" or "fixed in next release"
[19:40] <maco> we were at 96,600-something bugs yesterday. wonder how many today!
[19:40] <Corey> Three releases in a row of having dist-upgrade eat my netbook, I threw Debian onto the stupid thing and forgot about it.
[19:40] <ikonia> the bug squad appear to be finding reasons to pass it back to the user
[19:40] <Pici> dist-upgrade isn't the right way to upgrade...
[19:40] <ikonia> and the whole idea of no package maintainers isn't working
[19:41] <maco> ikonia: nuh uh! there are 57,000 that still havent gotten out of New state!
[19:41] <ikonia> maco: please excuse my numbers being off
[19:42] <Corey> Pici: My apologies.  Clicking the giant "NEW DISTRO, CLICK HERE TO INSTALL IT" button in the GUI.
[19:42] <Pici> Corey: Okay :).  Sorry, the dist-upgrade thing is one of my pet peeves.
[19:42] <maco> is that still update-manager?
[19:42] <ikonia> Pici: and mine
[19:42] <maco> or did it gert moved to somewhere in USC?
[19:43] <IdleOne> USC doesn't do updates
[19:43] <IdleOne> that I know of
[19:43] <maco> ok. i thought UM was going away at some point just like everything else
[19:43] <IdleOne> I rarely use it though
[19:43] <Pici> It was a bit weird with me when I tried to install a .deb package that I got externally.
[19:43] <IdleOne> I find it slow and cumbersome
[19:44] <ikonia> Pici: I've found it with rsa signed packages a little slugish
[19:44] <ikonia> dsa signed ones....no problem
[20:27] <LjL> Pici: tbh dist-upgrade worked fine for me the times i tried it (or rather, it told me what was wrong and i could fix it just fine), while do-release-upgrade was often a failure
[20:28] <LjL> of course you do need to know what you're doing a bit, if you have non-standard repos enabled
[20:28] <rww> I'm missing scrollback, aren't I.
[20:29] <LjL> rww: http://pastebin.com/TPR49HQE
[20:30] <rww> I maintain that it is ridiculous that Debian does dist-upgrade and it works fine and everyone is happy, and Ubuntu comes along and needs a silly python script to do upgrades.
[20:31] <rww> !away > Soup|away
[20:36] <LjL> ^
[20:37] <LjL> my Debian install is like 10 years old, i can't honestly said dist-upgrade *never* gave me problems, but apparently they were all solvable
[20:46] <highvoltage> rww: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-B6A04iK0 (that's what "they're back" usually reminds me of :p)
[20:49] <LjL> !petition is <reply> We appreciate your effort to bring issues you find important to attention; however, this channel's policy is to keep it strictly about Ubuntu technical support. You may try #ubuntu-offtopic instead (but try at least to partecipate in any conversation that ensues), or other venues.
[20:52] <genii-around> I wonder if the petition to have Shockwave for Linux ever amounted to anything.
[20:54] <Tm_T> ubottu: !petition s/partecipate/participate/
[20:54] <Tm_T> hmh, I fail
[20:55] <oCean> !petition is s/partecipate/participate/
[20:55] <oCean> me too
[20:55] <rww> !petition =~ s/partecipate/participate/
[20:55] <oCean> ah
[20:55] <rww> ::trollface::
[20:56] <oCean> I'll remember that rww
[20:56] <rww> I'm very memorable.
[20:58] <LjL> oh really it's participate? i'd never have imagined.
[21:01] <Corey> !pwreset is <reply> Forgot your password? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[21:01] <Corey> !password was too general.
[21:01] <Corey> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:03] <rww> Error: I am only LjL, please don't think I'm intelligant :)
[21:03] <Pici> We still have !password though
[21:04] <LjL> !password
[21:05] <LjL> hmm
[21:05] <LjL> i'd keep both
[21:05] <genii-around> Why "whats the root password? See !sudo" instead of "see !root" ?
[21:06] <LjL> those two are also a fair bit redundant tbh
[21:08] <Pici> !root
[21:08] <Pici> !sudo
[21:38] <Corey> LjL: They are a bit, but !password is a catchall, and pwreset is specific.
[21:38] <LjL> that's why i said keep both. i was talking about sudo and root now though
[21:39] <Corey> Ah.
[21:40] <Corey> Tm_T: But I needed his patches!
[21:40] <Tm_T> Corey: I wanted the patches for only me
[22:17] <rww> I just had another bad rww idea.
[22:17] <rww> Take the "5 a day" bug concept, apply it to channel bans. Review 5 random bans from the banlist per day.
[22:18] <Pici> oh dear
[22:18] <rww> which in my case means ./printdb.pl | grep -vi floodbot | shuf | head -n 5
[22:19] <IdleOne> shuf?
[22:19] <rww> yes
[22:19] <IdleOne> oh, it is what i thought
[22:19] <Pici> its in coreutils
[22:20] <IdleOne> go on..
[22:20] <Pici> and you should have it installed already
[22:20] <rww> The author was my professor once :(
[22:20] <Pici> Paul Eggert?
[22:20] <IdleOne> I had just never seen that command before
[22:20] <rww> yup
[22:21] <Pici> Theres a bunch of neat stuff hidden in coreutils
[22:25] <rww> Pici: you know, now that I think about it: banlist pruning is good, handling other ops' bans is good, why is my bad idea bad :(
[22:30] <Pici> The nick 'Younder' sounds familiar for some reason.
[22:30] <rww> sounds like sounder, shut it down!
[22:31] <Pici> :D
[22:31] <LjL> sounds like i want to ban him already
[22:31] <rww> also, you banned them in 2010 for rm -rf
[22:40] <Pici> I think the 'racist' remarks in -ot probably should stop
[22:41]  * rww puts away the animated .gifs
[23:00] <Pici> rww: If that is a reaction to my 'oh dear' about your idea above, I was just joking.
[23:01] <rww> it wasn't ;P
[23:01] <Pici> rww: er, okay then.
[23:01] <rww> I had a worse idea to complement the above idea, though
[23:02] <rww> Randomly pick 10 bans per day, put them on a site and only give the link to ops, have ops vote on whether to remove them or not :3
[23:03] <IdleOne> like a game?
[23:04] <Pici> If only we could get that integrated into the trivia bot... or the wolfbot for those other people.
[23:04] <LjL> .unban fujisan
[23:04] <IdleOne> can we make side bets on who will reset the ban also?
[23:08] <rww> IdleOne: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
[23:09] <IdleOne> I beg to differ, votes can be made for which -b would most annoy $op
[23:09] <IdleOne> and then we can all sit back and watch $op loose his/her mind
[23:09] <IdleOne> wait
[23:09] <IdleOne> bad idea
[23:10] <mneptok> i'm trying to loose my mind, but trepanning yourself is easier said than done.
[23:16] <persia> You just need a good head clamp.
[23:41] <mneptok> persia: i will not ask you again. please stop channeling my wife.