[12:28] <Pendulum> hiya
[21:21] <akgraner> woo hoo!  UbuCon happening at Ohio Linux Fest now :-)  \0/ Happy Dance time!
[21:22] <akgraner> time to go play happy band parent and work a concession stand...  (not so happy dance on that one - it's freakin' hot outside :-/)
[21:23] <czajkowski> heh
[21:23] <czajkowski> have fun
[21:24] <pendulum|phone> akgraner: You should see all the gymnastics parents where I'm at now
[21:24] <pendulum|phone> Be glad it's band :p
[21:56] <afr0beatz_> ft\
[22:08] <Austin> hello ladies
[22:18] <MarkDude> Hello boy austin
[22:18] <MarkDude> rly
[22:24] <Austin> wait u can use abbreviation but every one else make a big deal when i do
[22:31] <MarkDude> How about little dude Austin, better
[22:31] <MarkDude> ?
[22:31] <MarkDude> I was mocking you if that was not clear
[22:32] <MarkDude> Quite a few patient people here, I am not one of them
[22:32] <MarkDude> If you are genuine tho, this is a really cool group of people here
[22:32] <MarkDude> No big deal, just try again
[22:32] <MarkDude> Its all good :)
[22:34] <rww> MarkDude: Regardless of the truth of it, http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml tends to work a lot better than calling people trolls. The latter doesn't really help (if they are, the ops generally can figure that out themselves:), and isn't likely to get them to change their behavior.
[22:34]  * MarkDude will leave that to the reasonable folks
[22:35]  * MarkDude 's Elder Statesman progress can only happen at a certain rate, but, I am trying
[22:36] <maco> MarkDude: shouting "troll!" at people just makes them defensive
[22:37] <MarkDude> Or sometimes like in this case it was a reality check
[22:37] <MarkDude> It appears that i was wrong. And that he may have just been mistaken :)
[22:37] <rww> is best to just not say anything, in my experience. I've had #ubuntu-offtopic ops express frustration in places I can read when I (used to) call people out :)
[22:38] <rww> unless nobody's around and it gets to be a large disruption, and then there's the ops factoid
[22:38] <MarkDude> Being rude - even if unintentional deserves a reaction
[22:38] <MarkDude> IMHO
[22:38] <MarkDude> reasonableness works almost all of the time, not all tho
[22:39] <MarkDude> Especially with men, I have been spoken to about being to uppity
[22:40] <MarkDude> Fact is it is hard for a man to realize what it is like to be called a disrespectful term, unless it happens to them
[22:40] <MarkDude> *reality* even if a small % of the time
[22:40] <rww> some reactions work better than others. some have a net worse effect than not saying anythingg
[22:40] <MarkDude> You are correct on the whole rww
[22:40] <maco> so, next time someone asks "are men allowed here?" the answer is !men
[22:41] <MarkDude> I only reacted after the who sets the rules here
[22:41] <MarkDude> Common sense here
[22:41] <MarkDude> Anyway , are you going to DVLUG tonight
[22:42] <rww> maco: if only there were an xkcd about male feminists. we could make a modified copy of !girls :)
[22:42] <maco> well for now we have...
[22:42] <maco> !men
[22:42] <ubot4`> Yes, men exist within the Ubuntu Women Project.
[22:42] <pleia2> thanks maco :)
[22:43] <nhandler> Keep in mind, both the !men and !guidelines are channel specific factoids for here and #ubuntu-women. They won't work in other channels
[22:44] <MarkDude> Yep, there should be global reminders tho
[22:44] <maco> nhandler: well the normal guidelines one will work elsewhere :P
[22:45] <nhandler> maco: Yes, but it will be different :)
[22:45] <maco> right but elsewhere doesnt need to be told to read ours
[22:46] <maco> i dont *think* !men needs to be global... nobody asks elsewhere whether men are allowed in the channel
[22:47] <nhandler> Agreed
[22:49] <pleia2> might need a !women elsewhere though (yes, women exist on the internet) :P
[22:49]  * pleia2 removes tongue from cheek
[22:49] <rww> we have one :)
[22:50] <rww> !women
[22:50] <ubot4`> The women and men of the Ubuntu Women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[22:50] <rww> !girls
[22:50] <ubot4`> Girls exist on the internet. See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | http://www.xkcd.com/322/ | For more interesting reading: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/
[22:50] <pleia2> oh :)
[22:50] <pleia2> neat
[22:52] <MarkDude> the women factoid should say women & men  that play well together
[22:52] <rww> you and your ampersands :(
[22:52] <maco> MarkDude: that could be misconstrued
[22:52]  * MarkDude went to *Im ok - your ok preschool*
[22:53] <maco> do they not have appostrophes there?
[22:53]  * maco runs
[22:53] <MarkDude> Playing well with others is the ideal, IMHO
[22:53] <rww> your okay what?
[22:53]  * rww also runs
[22:53] <MarkDude> No, but they taught us that that most people are ok, as long as they play well with others
[22:57] <AlanBell> MarkDude: it is always polite to help people find their loco team
[22:57] <MarkDude> yes. that is true
[22:58] <AlanBell> if someone appears to be in the wrong place, then guide them to a more appropriate place
[22:58] <MarkDude> Minus the spelling, the actions now happening are an improvement from the start
[22:59] <MarkDude> Just sayin'
[22:59] <AlanBell> indeed
[22:59] <MarkDude> :)
[23:00]  * MarkDude was set to go on a date a while ago, I was able to look past the spelling on the texting, but, when I saw she did that in email, I was the opposite of stoked
[23:10] <Austin> ed
[23:12] <MarkDude> No biggy Austin . And for the record, I m given a bad time for some of the slang I use.
[23:12] <MarkDude> Even more so from folks in California
[23:20] <Austin> wat slang
[23:21] <Austin> is anyone still here
[23:23] <MarkDude> The slang that I use
[23:23] <MarkDude> dude, stoked, etc
[23:23] <MarkDude> 3rd generation Californian - I am one of those
[23:32] <hypatia> Austin: "wat" is not a word in English
[23:33] <althara> I say "dude" a lot too. And "totally".
[23:33] <pleia2> MarkDude has contagious slang, 5 months here and I end up with "hella" in my vocabulary
[23:33] <althara> I was just going to mention that one. :)
[23:34] <rww> nah, that's a general Californian thing. You'll probably start abusing 'like' soon, too.
[23:34] <pleia2> everyone in the US abuses like
[23:34] <rww> California started it ;P
[23:34] <althara> like totally
[23:36] <MarkDude> Righteous bro, is a phrase I have been trying to eliminate from my vocab
[23:36] <MarkDude> dont forget the word *awesome*
[23:36] <althara> I abuse that one too :)
[23:36] <rww> althara: #ubuntu-california's bot used to be named LikeTotally :)
[23:36] <althara> sweet
[23:36] <MarkDude> I try to use it in the dictionary sense of the word
[23:37] <rww> anyways, we should perhaps shift this over to -women ;P
[23:37] <pleia2> rww: aww, I like that better
[23:37] <althara> I use it sarcastically for the most part
[23:37] <MarkDude> the word dude has like 20+meanings
[23:38]  * MarkDude and my excessive  use of like as a *filler* word


[04:07] <infinity> bdmurray: Do I need to note the irony that an SRU prepared by you for a bug filed by you has tripped your lack-of-validation check? :)
[04:07] <infinity> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/1429967
[05:22] <bdmurray> Is that irony or some bad karma?
[05:42] <Mirv> hmm. ubuntu-ui-toolkit stuck in proposed, I only find an arm64 reference in update_output regarding ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot but I'm not sure how to parse it
[05:43] <Mirv> I first thought it might be related to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scopes-api/0.6.19+15.10.20150706.1-0ubuntu1 which had arm64 failure yesterday but it got already fixed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scopes-api/0.6.19+15.10.20150708-0ubuntu1
[09:31] <tjaalton> infinity: daily trusty image works now, backport stack is installed
[09:32] <infinity> tjaalton: \o/
[09:39] <Laney> Mirv: It added a dep on ubuntu-keyboard-autoiplot which isn't there on arm64
[09:39] <cjwatson> Heh, I'd *just* got there too
[09:40] <Laney> :)
[09:41] <Laney> Does britney stop at the first arch which breaks?
[09:45] <Mirv> bzoltan_: ^
[09:47] <Laney> Mirv: Suggest setting up chdist to reproduce this kind of thing
[09:48] <cjwatson> Laney: No
[09:49] <Laney> cjwatson: Don't understand why it doesn't list powerpc ppc64el as uninstallable then
[09:49] <Mirv> thanks Laney, I had forgotten about chdist for this
[09:50] <cjwatson> Laney: Maybe they were uninstallable before?
[09:50] <cjwatson> No, apparently not ...
[09:50] <cjwatson> OK, maybe it does sometimes stop at the first
[09:51] <cjwatson> I don't quite remember
[09:52] <Laney> Seems plausible as every other non-hinted uninstallable only lists one arch
[09:54] <cjwatson> Oh, right, didn't notice that this wasn't an autohinted thing.
[11:29] <Mirv> I wonder if qtdeclarative-opensource-src could be allowed to migrate to release pocket? there's only kscreen autopkgtest regression blocking it, and it was regressing already before the qtdeclarative upload.
[12:11] <Laney> Mirv: did you check with Riddell about fixing it?
[12:12] <Mirv> Laney: excellent idea! Riddell, would you have time to look at the kscreen 5.3.2 autopkgtest failure, or consider whether you could override qtdeclarative update to ignore it if kscreen fixing would take time?
[13:43] <rbasak> Someone just independently pointed me to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[13:43] <rbasak> grub2-signed 50%, grub2 70%.
[13:44] <rbasak> That's not good I think. They doesn't necessarily overlap either.
[13:44] <rbasak> Can we somehow bind the phasing of those together?
[13:44] <ScottK> Actually, if they have to be installed together, I think they both need to be 100% as there's no guarantee the same 50% get both packages.
[13:45] <rbasak> The trouble is that if a user sees grub2 but not grub2-signed then it seems that grub2-signed ends up being removed in order to update grub2, and that breaks things.
[13:46] <rbasak> I presume that's because there's nothing that depends on grub2-signed because the installer it it there?
[13:46] <rbasak> (I mean the binary grub-efi-amd64-signed of course)
[13:46] <cjwatson> ScottK: It's probably not terrible since one is uninstallable without the other.
[13:47] <cjwatson> Removal is weird, I'm surprised that would happen.
[13:47] <cjwatson> I would have expected the rest of grub2 to be held back.
[13:47] <cjwatson> Let me at least bump the grub2-signed phased update percentages, though.
[13:47] <rbasak> cjwatson: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/07/08/%23ubuntu-kernel.html#t16:15 happened yesterday. I wonder if you can make any sense of that?
[13:47] <ScottK> Having a post-release update be uninstallable is a significant issue I think.
[13:48] <cjwatson> rbasak: I don't know, I'm afraid
[13:48] <rbasak> He said he used update-manager
[13:48] <cjwatson> ScottK: Perhaps update-manager should consider them bound together in some way, as it already does with source packages
[13:48] <rbasak> Which suggests to me that update-manager did remove grub2-signed, but that isn't clear.
[13:48] <ScottK> Perhaps, but not everyone uses that.
[13:48] <rbasak> I'll ask him for his history.log I think.
[13:49] <cjwatson> ScottK: For people who don't, the phased update percentages aren't considered.
[13:49] <ScottK> True.
[13:49] <cjwatson> ScottK: u-m is what processes them, unless there's a similar Kubuntu thing
[13:49] <ScottK> There is, but it doesn't consider them.
[13:49] <cjwatson> rbasak: Also, for utopic, note that they have the same PUP
[13:50] <cjwatson> And that was the case at hand here
[13:50] <ScottK> rbasak and I were also discussing the idea of modifying sru-release to warn if you try to release grub2, but not grub2 signed.
[13:50] <ScottK> That would have at least avoided me releasing one without the other.
[13:50] <cjwatson> Seems like a good idea.  It might not be terrible to hardcode this case in u-m either; it's pretty specialised
[13:50] <cjwatson> Most combinations of multiple sources in SRUs aren't lockstep at the client end like this
[13:51] <rbasak> I suggested having a list of hardcoded "special" packages which it'll refuse to touch if you mention without a force flag
[13:51] <rbasak> Maybe a dictionary keyed on package with a text explanation in the value so you know what to do.
[13:51] <rbasak> Simple so it doesn't try to be smart and do it wrong, but hopefully effective enough to prevent accidents.
[13:52] <ScottK> I think it needs to be both sru-release and u-m since even if you release the SRUs together there's no guarantee a user gets them both.
[13:53] <cjwatson> Yeah
[13:54] <rbasak> What's u-m?
[13:54] <ScottK> update-manager
[13:54] <rbasak> Ah, thanks.
[13:57] <infinity> cjwatson: It would seem like a bug if u-m is removing grub2-signed to do the upgrade anyway, though.  It's meant to only remove in the Conflict/Replace special case, and otherwise tell you where to go and, possibly, how to get there.
[13:57] <cjwatson> Indeed!
[13:58] <cjwatson> Of course we aren't told if the user in this case overrode stuff ...
[13:58] <infinity> (apt-get, on the other hand, will remove grub2-signed with glee)
[13:59] <infinity> Similar (but slightly different) problem for linux-signed, and we only avoid seeing that because almost every kernel SRU is a security release, thus phased 100%
[13:59] <rbasak> I've asked for his history.log to hopefully understand better what happened, but he'll be a while getting back to me.
[14:27] <infinity> cjwatson: Good news, we got apt logs and they confirm that update-manager didn't do a stupid.
[15:10] <teward> who's on vanguard, if anoyne?  (I"m not sure the schedule...)
[15:18] <teward> main reason for asking is I'd like an SRU looked at / approved which adds apport hooks into the Vivid nginx package - if only because we have a number of NotUseful reports which don't have enough debugging data to debug the cause of a postinstall script failure (which ties back to "Job failed to start" errors)
[15:19] <teward> i'm working on testbuilds now, and if all works i'm uploading to wily to make sure it has the change to
[15:19] <teward> but i'd like it all done today or soon :P
[15:20] <rbasak> teward: for SRUs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing has the rota. You want bdmurray I guess. Not sure if he's around today though.
[15:21] <teward> rbasak: i don't think he is (see -meeting)
[15:21] <teward> hence the question of who's on vanguard
[15:21] <teward> s/vanguard/duty for today/
[15:21] <rbasak> I don't think the SRU team maintain a vanguard person
[15:21] <teward> ok
[15:22] <rbasak> But you can ask here and they do respond to urgent stuff
[15:22] <teward> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing says to poke the vanguards who're on the schedule.
[15:22] <rbasak> I mean that they don't cover absences :)
[15:22] <teward> rbasak: less urgent more "Need this before we get more crap bugs" (that whole nginx postinstall script failure nonuseful debug data issue i have complained about for at least a month)
[15:22] <teward> rbasak: ack
[15:49] <cjwatson> infinity: Oh good.
[17:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: another bug report has landed on our doorstep about UbuntuHashes (bug #1288593).  Can you refresh my memory why this hasn't been killed off in favor of directing users to the gpg-signed SUMS files we publish?
[17:08] <cjwatson> slangasek: I thought we had an agreement to kill it off at this point
[17:09] <slangasek> oh, ok
[17:09] <slangasek> so should we just remove that from help.u.c?
[17:09] <cjwatson> somewhere ...
[17:09] <cjwatson> somebody would have to chase down links etc. and replace with good user-facing instructions on verifying hashes
[17:11] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1219589 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1349715 come up in my searches
[17:11] <cjwatson> (I had a mail thread with ubuntu-docs folks as well)
[17:12] <cjwatson> must run though
[17:12] <slangasek> askubuntu.com seems to point to the right place, but does not talk about gpg verification
[17:12] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok, cheers
[18:18] <Riddell> Mirv: Laney: I'm away this week, feel free to override if it's blocking


[01:04] <charlie-tca> Cheri703: It seems I need more destop for the Vetical mouse since I am reting the entire arm on it.
[01:04] <Cheri703> that  makes sense
[01:04] <charlie-tca> but it does appear to be easier on the arm and wrist
[01:05] <Cheri703> \o/ glad to hear it :)
[01:05] <charlie-tca> I can't say for sure, my little finger is going numb, which might be because I don't quite have it right yet.
[01:06] <charlie-tca> I am also writing with dasher, so it gets a lot of use.
[01:07] <Cheri703> you might need to adjust your chair armrest (or get one), possibly adjusting chair height, so it's not so much pressure with your arm on the edge of the desk
[01:07] <charlie-tca> I probably put it through a *lot* more use than most users will
[01:07] <Cheri703> good tester then :)
[01:10] <charlie-tca> I will try that!
[01:10] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[01:10] <charlie-tca> That never occurred to me
[01:13] <charlie-tca> give me a week, I will know how bad it hurts, right?
[01:14] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[01:14] <Cheri703> I used to get pinky numbness if my arm was angled upward toward the desk, OR if I had pressure from the edge of the desk on the underside of my arm
[01:14] <Cheri703> so that's why I suggested adjusting the chair


[00:26] <AtomicSpark> well i'm downloading the alpha and am going to try to run a vm of it. wish me luck! :P
[00:32] <ASULutzy> Anyone else had problems with virtualbox in Intrepid?
[00:33] <ASULutzy> I tried to point my Intrepid install to the .vdi's located on my hardy install (which are Windows XP disks) and it blue screens almost immediately when I try to boot the XP disk in Intrepid. In Hardy it works fine.
[00:43] <ASULutzy> It's probably Windows' fault, not virtualboxes
[00:45] <AtomicSpark> yes
[00:46] <AtomicSpark> but again nothing works in intrepid
[00:47] <G_009> kernel is smooth
[00:49] <Fujisan> hello
[00:49] <Fujisan> i have a question about the latest ubuntu
[00:53] <lymeca> Could anyone help me out with a problem I am having in upgrading perl in INtrepid?
[00:53] <lymeca> ErrorMessage: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
[00:53] <lymeca> Package: base-passwd 3.5.17
[00:54] <lymeca> base-passwd configuration is shutting down anything I try and do with APT
[00:54] <lymeca> I have a feeling upgrading perl and perl-base will fix it but I can't do anything with APT at the moment.
[00:56] <G_009> try aptitude
[00:56] <lymeca> G_009: I did.  And Synaptic.
[00:56] <G_009> it's beyond me then
[02:42] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[02:42] <AtomicSpark> a wise man once told me, eveyrthing is broken.
[02:42] <RAOF> Although you can certainly put a partial ordering on the set of all broken things.
[02:43] <AtomicSpark> hmm. maybe.
[02:44] <AtomicSpark> i tried installing it. it failed at loading xserver.
[02:48] <RAOF> Any sort of debugging output at all would be useful, if you'd like to fix it :)
[02:50] <AtomicSpark> i'm sure the output will be "haha i failed to create a virutal machine"
[03:55] <lymeca> So I noticed the default fglrx in Intrepid is 8.50
[03:55] <lymeca> And the default kernel is now 2.6.26 (even though it's not stable)
[03:55] <lymeca> Do these work together?
[03:55] <lymeca> I thought fglrx only worked on 2.6.25 or less
[04:00] <RAOF> lymeca: There isn't a default fglrx in Intrepid.
[04:00] <RAOF> Any packages you find will be uninstallable, I believe.
[04:00] <lymeca> So I'm thinking of sticking with Hardy's 2.6.24-19 kernel
[04:01] <lymeca> And Hardy's 8.3 fglrx
[04:01] <lymeca> I can't figure out how to get direct rendering otherwise
[04:01] <lymeca> Everything else on my system is INtrepid.
[04:02] <RAOF> If you've got an old-ish ati card you can use the ati driver, but fglrx isn't ready for Intrepid.
[04:02] <lymeca> I have a Radeon 2600 HD, and I know 3D support will be coming in the coming months from Free drivers, and I'm happy about that
[04:02] <lymeca> But right now I want direct rendering, and my only option is fglrx
[04:05] <RAOF> Right.  But Intrepid doesn't have a working fglrx driver, and this is known, and is being worked on.
[04:07] <lymeca> Cool
[04:07] <lymeca> I'll just use Hardy's Linux and fglrx
[04:07] <lymeca> I blame proprietary shens
[04:19] <fulat2k> hi folks, why am i constantly getting BUG: unable to handle kernel msg in kubuntu intrepid a1?
[04:28] <RAOF> fulat2k: Because of a kernel bug.
[04:33] <fulat2k> RAOF: has it been fixed?
[04:34] <RAOF> fulat2k: I don't know.  Has it been reported?
[04:34] <fulat2k> RAOF: good question.  haven't checked :D
[04:49] <G_009> i had lost interest in rythmbox, but it's been doing good lately
[04:57] <DanaG> Argh, I wish wine would work under PulseAudio.
[04:57] <DanaG> It doesn't, for me.
[04:57] <DanaG> At least, not for directsound apps.
[04:59] <DanaG> Oh hey, does the packaged compiz-fusion include atlantis2?
[05:00] <DanaG> That's about the only non-packaged plugin I can think of, that I use.
[05:00] <DanaG> What others are not packaged?  Oh yeah, Snow is another one.
[05:03] <DanaG> Oh hey, not only do nvidia's linux drivers suck... their Windows ones suck, too.
[05:04] <DanaG> at least, they're who I'm blaming for the fact that just one of my HL2-based games (gmod) gives BSODs when run (windowed), and yet all the others run fine (fullscreen).
[05:04] <DanaG> Ohhh, I'm going to be SO glad to be free of nvidia next time.
[05:08] <hydrogen> yea.. because ati is so much better </sarcasm>
[05:08] <DanaG> Well, at least it's open-source now.
[05:09] <DanaG> nvidia doesn't even do 2D acceleration in their 'nv' driver, I believe.
[05:09] <hydrogen> nv is a community driver, nvidia has nothing to do with it
[05:09] <hydrogen> afaik
[05:09] <RAOF> No, it's maintained by nvidia.
[05:10] <RAOF> At least, there's an nvidia dev who maintains it, and it's (for the nouveau guys) annoyingly obfuscated.
[05:10] <DanaG> I like to give my money to open-source-supporting things.
[05:10] <DanaG> s/things/companies/
[05:11] <hydrogen> so uh
[05:11] <hydrogen> has ati actually done anything
[05:11] <hydrogen> that shows they support it
[05:11] <DanaG> nvidia-settings -l
[05:11] <hydrogen> beyond just making the source availible?
[05:11] <DanaG> Umm, have you read phoronix lately?
[05:12] <hydrogen> nope
[05:12] <hydrogen> can't say I have
[05:12] <RAOF> Releasing specs, paying a dev to work on the radeon driver, sponsoring Novel to develop radeonhd,...
[05:12] <hydrogen> meh
[05:12] <hydrogen> they have a really long way to go
[05:12] <hydrogen> before I ever buy another ati product
[05:13]  * hydrogen goes back to trying to determine why cpu-freq is fubar and ranting about how bad #ubuntu is for support
[05:14] <DanaG> Plus, comparing my days with my 9800 Pro to my days with my GeForce Go 7600, the latter has given me far, far, far more problems in Windows than the former ever did.
[05:15] <DanaG> argh, no surround support in Wine.
[05:16] <hydrogen> we arn't talking about windows :)
[05:16] <hydrogen> at least, I'm not
[05:16] <DanaG> (When I had the 9800 Pro in Linux, I was too new at it to be able to tell anything about it.  I did use fglrx, though, at the time.)
[05:16] <DanaG> The last time I used that card was when the X800 series was new.
[06:02] <cypherdelic> chears
[06:41] <DanaG> Argh!
[06:41] <DanaG> Gnome panel just randomly moved everything around.
[06:41] <DanaG> I hope the developers lock their doors better than the panel locks its applets.... =þ
[06:42] <DanaG> Because that sure as heck isn't "locked" if it can still move and change order!~
[06:45] <RAOF> It's not random; it does that when the available space changes.
[06:45] <RAOF> But it could definitely be improved.
[09:00] <bobby> hello, is there some kind of link or information about the energysaving plans, for next ubuntu?
[09:01] <bobby> i read somewhere that ubuntu plans on saving more energy, especialy for laptops
[09:01] <bobby> but i cant find anything concrete
[09:01] <h3sp4wn_> That was probably old information
[09:02] <h3sp4wn_> and afaik ubuntu is it the mercy of the upstream kernel developers
[09:02] <user___> bobby: maybe https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu has something. or at least it could tell you what people are planning for the foreseeable future
[09:02] <h3sp4wn_> s/it/at - if they are paying someone specifically to do it then it would be a first
[09:02]  * bobby is having a look
[09:03] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/PowerManagementSettings is one of the plans for intrepid
[09:10] <bobby> thx mvo
[09:11] <h3sp4wn_> I hope that is easy to configure - I don't think I would want anything more than suspend to ram
[09:11] <h3sp4wn_> when the lid is shut
[10:33] <cbr> hi, where is the iwlwifi firmware in latest intrepid? ubuntu-modules isn't supplied anymore so it's nowhere to be found, the 2.6.26 kernel doesn't install it
[10:37] <cbr> okay, copied the firmware from 2.6.24
[10:37] <cbr> it's still a bug though :P
[10:38] <cbr> woow, and the wireless led actually work?
[10:38] <cbr> s
[10:40] <Hobbsee> iwl3945?  works OOTB for me.
[10:41] <cbr> ootb?
[10:41] <EqUaTe> out of the box
[10:42] <Hobbsee> with a flashing light
[10:42]  * Hobbsee is unsure why i'ts flashing, but it does seem to work, so...
[10:42] <cbr> with 2.6.26 it doesnt for me
[10:42] <cbr> kernel module cant find firmware
[10:43] <cbr> luckily i had a 2.6.24 kernel installed too so i copied the firmware from there
[10:43] <cbr> it flashes on network activity imo
[10:55] <enyc> I would like to know, from anybody in-the-know, if 8.04.1 is expected no time tomorrow...   if not i shall change my plans ;-)
[10:56] <enyc> err... on-time
[11:06] <gnomefreak> enyc: here is not the place for hardy topics
[12:21] <enyc> gnomefreak: ok understood... where do 'updates' 'patches' etc get discussed?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> enyc: depends most of time #ubuntu-motu
[12:35] <gnomefreak> if intrepid it can be here but -motu is best place
[12:49] <mouz> grep -i does not work as expected on my system: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24451/ . Is this a known problem? If not: could some confirm?
[12:58] <gnomefre1k> its known
[13:05] <joaopinto> grep was broken :P ?
[13:06] <hyperair> so it seems
[13:07] <gnomefreak> is broken
[13:07] <gnomefreak> just grep -i
[13:07] <gnomefreak> that is it
[13:08] <hyperair> meh
[13:08] <hyperair> what happened?
[13:08] <gnomefreak> me and anonther mozilla dev for ubuntu saw it last week and im asking to see if he found a bug on it yet or if he filed one so i can point people to it and maybe ill look into fixing it since im thinking its fairly easy since its one flag but we will see
[13:08] <gnomefreak> hyperair: grep -i doesnt output what it should
[13:08] <gnomefreak> some cases it didnt output anything
[13:08] <joaopinto> that is a SERIOUS bug
[13:08] <hyperair> no i mean what happened.. how did it get broken
[13:08] <hyperair> it is a serious bug
[13:09] <gnomefreak> i think most people are no output
[13:09] <hyperair> god knows how many things depend on grep
[13:09] <gnomefreak> hyperair: merge or upstream
[13:09] <joaopinto> it must be merge, since upstream version is the same, at least from the package version
[13:09] <gnomefreak> grep -i isnt critcal just for most part annoying
[13:09] <gnomefreak> -i is case
[13:09] <gnomefreak> there are 100 other flags that work fine
[13:10] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, uh ? is is used extremly in scripts
[13:10] <joaopinto> it
[13:11] <hyperair> yeah that's what i meant
[13:11] <joaopinto> -i is one of the most used because it provides a common function, unlike the other 100 flags :P
[13:11] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: yes it is but as for critcal its not i would say meduim-high but thats about it
[13:12] <gnomefreak> none of ubuntu scripts have been affected by it at this time that i have heard of thats why its not critical, user scripts/uses maybe affected but ubuntu doesnt support them.
[13:13] <joaopinto> oh gnomefreak nice defition for criticality "how it affects other ubuntu pieces", I thought it was about how it affects users :)
[13:13] <joaopinto> or may potentially affect
[13:14] <hyperair> actually if it affects other ubuntu pieces then it's definitely critical
[13:14] <hyperair> imagine if the kernel compiled wrojngly
[13:14] <gnomefreak> jacob: ubuntus importance settings are relative to ubuntu packages
[13:14] <hyperair> and every single intrepid user would onyl see a damn kernel panic
[13:14] <gnomefreak> so its not a show stopper so critical is really out of bounds
[13:14] <gnomefreak> hyperair: but it hasnt and this problem didnt just happen
[13:15] <hyperair> hence the word "imagine"
[13:16] <gnomefreak> the problem is found already
[13:16] <gnomefreak> fta found it and added a description to bug 243717
[13:17] <hyperair> aah
[13:17] <hyperair> utf-8
[13:17] <hyperair> i see
[13:18] <gnomefreak> yep simple fix just waiting for it maybe ill ping the dev about it later today
[13:19] <hyperair> why wait?
[13:21] <gnomefreak> hyperair: i can drop the patch and fix it but still have to wait for it to be checked uploaded than uploaded again
[13:21] <hyperair> meh
[13:21] <hyperair> red tape
[13:21] <gnomefreak> hyperair: im asking the devs atm since i dont personally know the last uploader.
[13:21] <hyperair> how nice
[13:21] <gnomefreak> hyperair: yes for main repo its very tight so we dont upload major bugs its tested by atleast 2 people
[13:22] <hyperair> i see
[13:22] <hyperair> that's good i guess
[13:22] <gnomefreak> but it has to go to query than archives admins hav eto push it
[13:22] <gnomefreak> hyperair: drop the patch and rebuild it
[13:22] <hyperair> lol i'm not even using ubuntu at the moment.
[13:22] <hyperair> nvidia's broken
[13:22] <gnomefreak> but its still gonna fix one issue and not the other
[13:22] <gnomefreak> hyperair: its known they are having issue with it atm
[13:23] <hyperair> i knwo
[14:55] <sacarde> hi
[14:55] <sacarde> have a problem with kubuntu-ppc 8.10 alpha
[14:55] <sacarde> I download iso install
[14:56] <sacarde> when installer go to find cdrom
[14:56] <sacarde> it doesnot find /dev/hdb
[14:56] <sacarde> in fact, /dev/hdb doiesnot exist
[14:56] <sacarde> can you help me?
[15:01] <ASULutzy> sacarde: Sorry I just joined, what are you trying to do?
[15:01] <ASULutzy> So as far as I can tell this is a Windows problem, not an Intrepid or Virtualbox problem, but figured I'd ask to make sure... I've got a .vdi image that has XP on it, it boots fine in Hardy, but when I use Virtualbox in Intrepid it goes to the Windows menu about safe mode, or boot normally etc, and no matter what I pick it blue screens and reboots immediately. Who's to blame? :P
[15:02] <sacarde> I download iso image kubuntu-instal-8.10 alpha
[15:02] <sacarde> for ppc
[15:02] <sacarde> I burn cdrom
[15:03] <sacarde> I reboot my mac-mini-ppc whith that
[15:03] <sacarde> installer runs
[15:03] <sacarde> when it detect cdrom, it doesnot find it
[15:03] <sacarde> in fact I dont find /dev/hdb
[15:04] <sacarde> but in dmesg it found /dev/hdb CDROM iso9660 OK
[15:20] <sacarde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/244883
[15:21] <ASULutzy> sacarde: Your cd rom is /dev/hdb ?
[15:21] <sacarde> yes
[15:21] <sacarde> in dmesg I find it
[15:22] <sacarde> ...
[15:22] <sacarde> hdb: ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive...
[15:22] <sacarde> can I create device ?
[15:23] <sacarde> in another working linux I have:
[15:23] <sacarde> brw-rw---- 1 root optical   3,  64  2 lug  2008 hdb
[15:42] <jonpackard> anybody need/want help setting up Intrepid in Virtualbox?
[15:43] <joaopinto> I believe it fails to run on VBox at the moment
[16:04] <h3sp4wn_> I don't believe thats true
[16:05] <h3sp4wn_> unless its changed from yesterday
[16:05] <joaopinto> I have seen it reported on the ubuntu devs ML
[16:05] <h3sp4wn_> there is at least 2 people yesterday who have reported it working
[16:05] <h3sp4wn_> and loads of different ways to get to the same point
[16:07] <sacarde> I retry booting kubuntu 8.10alph ppc
[16:07] <sacarde> I go to modprobe ide_cd
[16:08] <sacarde> but it there is not
[16:08] <sacarde> I load cdrom module
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> I think the legacy ide support is now not even built
[16:08] <sacarde> but I dont know how to restart rilevation udev
[16:08] <sacarde> ah
[16:09] <sacarde> ide is not supported?
[16:09] <sacarde> ah
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> No it is but by the libata subsystem
[16:09] <sacarde> how can I create /dev/hdb ?
[16:10] <sacarde> in dmesh hdb is detect
[16:10] <sacarde> dmesg
[16:10] <h3sp4wn_> and that is the cdrom right ?
[16:11] <sacarde>  hdb: ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive...
[16:11] <h3sp4wn_> mknod -m 0660 /dev/hdb b 3 64
[16:12] <h3sp4wn_> you could try netboot/mini.iso and try to get the cdrom working after the install if you have a decent network connection
[16:13] <sacarde> but it there is not
[16:13] <sacarde> sorry
[16:13] <sacarde> after mknod
[16:13] <sacarde> I have to restart udev ?
[16:13] <h3sp4wn_> hmmm perhaps you have to stop udev for mknod to work
[16:14] <sacarde> ?
[16:14] <sacarde> whish step I have to try?
[16:14] <sacarde> which
[16:14] <h3sp4wn_> normally you use mknod with a static /dev (no udev or devfs)
[16:15] <sacarde> I am in kubuntu cdrom running
[16:15] <h3sp4wn_> Inside in an initramfs everything is wierd
[16:15] <sacarde> 1. I load module : cdrom
[16:15] <h3sp4wn_> Is it a desktop cd or alternative cd ?
[16:15] <sacarde> 2. mknod ...
[16:15] <sacarde> alternative
[16:15] <sacarde> is kubuntu alpha 8.10
[16:16] <h3sp4wn_> and its a mac right ?
[16:16] <sacarde> yes
[16:16] <h3sp4wn_> Is there an existing os ?
[16:16] <sacarde> yes
[16:16] <sacarde> YDL, archppc
[16:18] <sacarde> in kubuntu installer cd , runs busybox
[16:18] <sacarde> not a real bash system
[16:18] <h3sp4wn_> thats still inside the initramfs
[16:19] <ASULutzy> sacarde: If you're getting dropped to busybox, are you sure the cd burned properly?
[16:19] <sacarde> I think
[16:19] <ASULutzy> sacarde: Most often getting dumped to busy box while trying to boot off an ubuntu cd means the burn didn't work properly
[16:19] <sacarde> md5sum are ok in k3b
[16:19] <h3sp4wn_> I wouldn't bet alpha one was well tested on ppc
[16:19] <sacarde> no no
[16:20] <sacarde> I go to console: with ctrl-alt-f2
[16:20] <ASULutzy> sacarde: You should always verify the burn when dealing with an OS disc
[16:20] <h3sp4wn_> have you a spare partition
[16:20] <h3sp4wn_> You could deboostrap using the debs on the disk from YDL
[16:21] <sacarde> h3sp4wn_, I don know how
[16:21] <ASULutzy> sacarde: so you checked the md5sum of the .iso you downloaded, but did you verify the burn afterwards?
[16:21] <sacarde> yes, it is OK
 You could deboostrap using the debs on the disk from YDL
[16:22] <sacarde> how ?
[16:23] <h3sp4wn_> I am trying to work out the best way to do itt
[16:25] <jonpackard> I am running Intrepid in virtualbox 1.6.2 downloaded from virtualbox.org
[16:26] <jonpackard> it gets kernel panics occasionally right after the boot loader.. rebooting the guest once or twice allows a successful boot
[16:27] <h3sp4wn_> sacarde: Have you anything else you could potentially boot from ? usb key or whatever
[16:28] <jonpackard> if you need full mouse/video desktop integration, i had trouble with installing the guest additions in virtualbox-ose-1.5.6 - the modules did not compile.. i switched to virtualbox-1.6.2 and all is well =)
[16:29] <jonpackard> one more tip.. install guest additions BEFORE installing any updates.. i get some weird graphics glitches installing guest additions on an updated alpha1 system
[16:29] <h3sp4wn_> jonpackard: did you build ose from source ? (played with the 3d acceleration ?)
[16:29] <jonpackard> nah.. i used the ose from hardy repos
[16:30] <ASULutzy> virtualbox inside of Intrepid keeps failing to boot XP correctly
[16:30] <ASULutzy> I'm sad ;)
[16:31] <jonpackard> LOL.. what a bummer =)
[16:31] <jonpackard> I haven't installed Intrepid natively yet.. I'm tempted to on my home PC >:)
[16:32] <jonpackard> for an alpha1 release I have been very impressed with it
[16:33] <h3sp4wn_> I am running it on a xen virtual server - less hassle to track intrepid than backport ocaml
[16:34] <molgrum> nvidia-drivers soon please? :)
[16:35] <h3sp4wn_> tru neavou (or however you spell it)
[16:36] <molgrum> they aren't really cutting edge on 8800gts :/
[16:36] <h3sp4wn_> I wasn't that bothered with nv for my quadro 1600m
[16:37] <h3sp4wn_> accelerated 2D and Xv
[16:37] <ASULutzy> I have it installed natively to a separate partition
[16:37] <ASULutzy> There are some weird things going on with it, but overall I like it. I just like the dark theme ;)
[16:38] <h3sp4wn_> Interestingly its more stable than hardy for me
[16:38] <h3sp4wn_> (This is a remote xen at a hosting company - but nothing important - hardy was crashing 2-4 times a day)
[16:39] <ASULutzy> h3sp4wn_: Weird, my desktop at home is running hardy and has never crashed, haven't restarted it in about 2 weeks or so too
[16:39] <molgrum> well i need accelerated 3d and GLX
[16:39] <molgrum> :)
[17:18] <sacarde> hi
[17:18] <sacarde> I have try to create /dev/hdb
[17:19] <sacarde> with mknod -m 0660 /dev/hdb 3 64
[17:19] <sacarde> but I have: segmentation fault
[17:20] <jonpackard> well that went right over my head.. how about a haiku? =)
[17:20] <jonpackard> wind catches lily
[17:21] <jonpackard> scatt'ring petals to the wind:
[17:21] <jonpackard> segmentation fault
[17:21] <jonpackard> -- Nick Sweeney
[17:24] <hyperair> ...wtf
[17:25] <Pici> jonpackard: Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:25] <hyperair> it was on topic
[17:25] <hyperair> see
[17:25] <hyperair> segmentation fault
[17:26] <sacarde> I run mknod from busybox tty2 !
[17:27] <h3sp4wn_> There will be a way around it have you read about debootstrap ?
[17:28] <sacarde> no
[17:28] <h3sp4wn_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix
[17:28] <h3sp4wn_> have a look at that - but instead of the http somehow you have to use a file:/// url to use the cd
[17:28] <h3sp4wn_> What is your native language ?
[17:29] <sacarde> it
[17:29] <sacarde> but knoppix for ppc ???
[17:29] <sacarde> exists?
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> Use the yellow dog linux you already have installed
[17:31] <sacarde> ok
[17:31] <sacarde>  I try
[17:32] <h3sp4wn_> Do you have another machine anywhere ?
[17:32] <h3sp4wn_> You can setup a web or ftp on that and host the cd their thats another option and use mini.iso
[17:34] <sacarde> exist kubuntu mini.iso ?
[17:35] <h3sp4wn_> its in the debian-installer directory of the archive and there is just a single one
[17:36] <h3sp4wn_> (It only has just enough to boot and connect to the network)
[17:37] <h3sp4wn_> You can use a hardy netinstall cd to install something newer if you have to and a few other tricks
[17:37] <sacarde> make: dpkg: Command not found
[17:38] <h3sp4wn_> have you got alien ?
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromAnotherDistro
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> Thats slightly better docs
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> sacarde: does ydl use rpms ?
[17:39] <sacarde> yes, yum
[17:40] <h3sp4wn_> I can make you a debootstrap rpm if you give me 10 mins
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> http://hydra.audio-science.org.uk/junk/debootstrap-1.0.9-2.noarch.rpm#
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> http://hydra.audio-science.org.uk/junk/debootstrap-1.0.9-2.noarch.rpm
[17:44] <h3sp4wn_> just rpm -i (maybe without deps if it complains but it shouldn't)
[17:46] <h3sp4wn_> Anyone happen to know how the install from windows method works
[17:47] <h3sp4wn_> I would guess but not tried it given a kernel with all drivers needed in statically that could be booted from any bootloader
[17:47] <sacarde> I dont understand which is the trick
[17:48] <sacarde> metod to boot an image-cdrom
[17:48] <sacarde> from another distro
[17:48] <h3sp4wn_> install that rpm and then use debootstrap from that cdrom
[17:48] <sacarde> when I prepare all things
[17:49] <sacarde> I boot from YDL... no?
[17:49] <h3sp4wn_> No after its prepared you install a bootloader and kernel and boot
[17:49] <sacarde> from YDL I run my iso-kubuntu ?
[17:49] <h3sp4wn_> with or without the yellow dog kernel depending on whether you want to build one
[17:49] <sacarde> in finaly, what I have?
[17:50] <sacarde> I have kubuntu installed ?
[17:51] <sacarde> I dont understand
[17:51] <h3sp4wn_> yeah
[17:51] <h3sp4wn_> perhaps you might be better asking in the -it channel someone to explain debootstrap to you
[17:51] <sacarde> I have YDL + kubuntu (in target partition).... ok ?
[17:52] <h3sp4wn_> (I am useless at explaining stuff as it is really)
[17:52] <sacarde> ok
[17:52] <sacarde> thanks a lot for now
[17:52] <h3sp4wn_> or another generic linux channel for -it
[17:52] <sacarde> ok
[18:49] <DanaG> Here's what O
[18:49] <DanaG> Here's what I've done on a few laptops with broken CD drives: remove the drive, and insert a good one.  =þ
[18:50] <DanaG> (borrowed from my current laptop.)
[18:54] <DanaG> Error: Error opening /tmp/vm-builder-WTXan26474/root.raw: Invalid argument
[18:54] <DanaG> trying to use simple-mobile-builder
[19:01] <DanaG> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/dana/ubuntu-vm-hardy-lpia': File exists
[19:02] <DanaG>  /usr/bin/ubuntu-vm-builder: line 230: vm_getopt_args: unbound variable
[19:02] <DanaG> Various errors from trying to use the thing.
[19:02] <DanaG> I'd say it's broken.
[19:13] <h3sp4wn_> why not just use a usbkey or pxe or whatever
[19:13] <DanaG> Can't boot USB in virtualbox.
[19:14] <DanaG> Anyway, I found they have a KVM image (cdimages.ubuntu.com link in topic of #ubuntu-mobile).
[19:14] <DanaG> I can just use that virtual hard drive in virtualbox.
[19:18] <ethana2> hey, does intrepid ship with greasemonkey scripts to make web pages follow our theme properly?
[19:22] <ethana2> blast
[19:23] <ethana2> the google logo has white in it instead of alpha
[19:23] <ethana2> I guess it would be a bit much to try to have greasemonkey take white to alpha on that and such images
[19:25]  * DanaG hugs his bright orange... because his screen is too dim to use well if he uses a dark screen.
[19:26] <DanaG> s/orange/orange theme/
[19:34] <ethana2> oh hey, when are we going to be able to monitor gpu load in the system monitor applet?
[19:48] <h3sp4wn_> DanaG: Mine can (and I don't care its binary only)
[20:05] <jonpackard> h3sp4wn: How do you tell virtualbox (non-ose) to boot from usb? will the usb drive show up in the boot menu (F12) if it is properly detected?
[20:07] <h3sp4wn_> jonpackard: Should do if passthrough is working
[20:08] <h3sp4wn_> It works with Linux host anyway but not on this Solaris host
[20:10] <h3sp4wn_> Anyone happen to know how to get the run button back
[20:10] <h3sp4wn_> (add it to applications or whatever)#
[21:08] <DanaG> ARgh, my brightness keys are slow and laggy.
[21:09] <DanaG> hit.....change.....hit......change (where "hit" is me hitting the hotkey, and "change" is when it changes).
[21:09] <DanaG> There's like 2/3 of a second of lag on it.
[23:45] <RoC_MasterMind> how do I disable gnome video thumbnails?


[02:32] <claybustr> There really needs to be an FAQ called "You don't know Jack"
[02:34] <holstein> claybustr: lol
[02:34] <holstein> how is it going?
[02:34] <holstein> you having JACK woes?
[02:36] <claybustr> I have ubuntu studio karmic installed. I have jackd running, I have pulse dumping sounds to jack. I have hydrogen running. I have the meter bridge showing activity from both pulse (Rhythmbox) and hydrogen. I can run envy24ctl and see activity on HW1/2 inputs from my mixing board (but no output) - I'm 80% certain this is a patch bay problem, but I can't get anything in or out of the card - well into the card but it stops there.
[02:37] <holstein> hmmm
[02:37] <holstein> you got a maudio delta?
[02:37] <holstein> 1010lt or something?
[02:38] <rlameiro> did you choosed the outputs?
[02:38] <rlameiro> or the fullduplex?
[02:38] <holstein> hey rlameiro :)
[02:38] <claybustr> maudio 2496 envy24ctl shows activity on inputs (so alsa seems to be working) but none of my apps have seen it
[02:38] <claybustr> fullduplex
[02:38] <rlameiro> holstein: ma man! :D
[02:38] <holstein> hehe
[02:38]  * holstein high-fives rlameiro
[02:39] <holstein> claybustr: can you start over
[02:39] <holstein> a little more simple
[02:39]  * rlameiro low-fives holstein
[02:39] <holstein> maybe just jackd
[02:39] <claybustr> re-expain or back up to setp one
[02:39] <holstein> and a softsynth or something
[02:39] <holstein> get pulse out of the mix for a minute
[02:39] <holstein> claybustr: have you ever heard anything running jack?
[02:39] <rlameiro> yeap.... good idea pulse.... is kinda.... welll
[02:40] <claybustr> negatory
[02:40] <holstein> hmmm
[02:40] <rlameiro> is jack runnig?
[02:40] <claybustr> I think he's deaf-mute
[02:40] <claybustr> yes, jack is running, rolling
[02:40] <holstein> claybustr: you start jack with qjackctl?
[02:40] <claybustr> yes
[02:41] <holstein> no errors then...
[02:41] <holstein> just rolling, and no sound..
[02:41] <claybustr> occasional xrun but no
[02:41] <claybustr> yes
[02:41] <rlameiro> go to the setup section
[02:41] <claybustr> showing load levels aroudn 14-20%
[02:41] <holstein> have you ever heard anything from the card?
[02:41] <claybustr> no
[02:41] <holstein> hmmm
[02:42] <claybustr> hold on a sec - lemme try something REALLY stupid
[02:42] <rlameiro> go to setup and tel us the right column choices that you have
[02:42] <holstein> claybustr: have you tried the other outputs?
[02:42] <holstein> LIKE 3/4 or whatever there called
[02:42] <rlameiro> yeap that could be it
[02:43] <claybustr> ok - its not a bad cable. <cough> now back to asking the collective about my jack woes
[02:43] <rlameiro> claybustr: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1333955/jackd.png
[02:44] <rlameiro> open the connections and oppen al the connections and take a screnshot
[02:44] <holstein> claybustr: try all the outputs too, just for S&G's
[02:44] <holstein> all four
[02:45] <holstein> it has four right?
[02:45] <rlameiro> holstein: could it be because of monitoring?
[02:45] <holstein> maybe im looking at a bad site
[02:45] <holstein> rlameiro: i suppose
[02:45] <holstein> but it shouldnt matter when playing a softsynth
[02:46] <rlameiro> yeap...
[02:46] <rlameiro> weard
[02:46] <rlameiro> i never used the envy so i cant help in there
[02:46] <rlameiro> check if al volumes are up etc..
[02:46] <holstein> claybustr: when you look at that 'audio' tab
[02:46] <holstein> like the one from rlameiro 's screenshot
[02:47] <holstein> do you have some connections made?
[02:47] <holstein> rlameiro: what is your card?
[02:47] <holstein> with 4 outs?
[02:47] <rlameiro> intels....
[02:47] <rlameiro> onboard laptop
[02:48] <holstein> interesting
[02:48] <holstein> do all 4 work?
[02:48] <rlameiro> i have two earphone outs :D
[02:48] <holstein> OH
[02:48] <holstein> cool
[02:48] <rlameiro> yeap
[02:48] <claybustr> 8 outs, I hooked them all up
[02:48] <holstein> handy
[02:48] <rlameiro> i had a problem with it, it didnt play the pd patch, i found i had my earphones on the second plug, lol
[02:48] <rlameiro> but i use tha FA-101
[02:49] <holstein> claybustr: i would open one thing
[02:49] <holstein> like hydrogen
[02:49] <holstein> and check the routing
[02:49] <holstein> LIKE
[02:49] <holstein> fire up jack
[02:49] <holstein> then hydrogen
[02:49] <holstein> then you should see hydrogen in the connections area
[02:50] <holstein> and make sure the output from hydrogen goes to the playback on your card
[02:50] <holstein> im also not too sure what eny24 looks like
[02:50] <holstein> OR how much of it takes over, if any
[02:51] <claybustr> got an error on startup even though it was just running  - could not connect to jack server as client
[02:51] <holstein> *the routing
[02:51] <holstein> claybustr: COOL
[02:51] <rlameiro> so jack wasnt tunnig,,
[02:51] <holstein> now were getting somewhere
[02:51] <rlameiro> running
[02:51] <claybustr> no it was, rolling, and it was giving loads and occasion xruns
[02:52] <rlameiro> weird
[02:52] <holstein> rlameiro: i wish pipeman was around
[02:52] <holstein> hes got a 1010lt
[02:52] <holstein> and uses envy24
[02:52] <rlameiro> yeahhh
[02:53] <claybustr> brb going to use BRB to reset jack
[02:55] <rlameiro> holstein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign
[02:55] <rlameiro> what do you think of it?
[02:55] <holstein> are you running lucid yet?
[02:55] <holstein> studio-wise?
[02:55] <rlameiro> dualbooting
[02:55] <rlameiro> :D
[02:55] <rlameiro> karmic-lucid
[02:56] <holstein> whenever im about to upgrade
[02:56] <holstein> i'll hit an issue on the EEE
[02:56] <holstein> and i'll change my mind
[02:56] <rlameiro> i am going to test the firewire and jack and install a rt kernel from the ppas to test it audio wise
[02:57] <holstein> i got a spare box
[02:57] <holstein> i just havnet taken the time to config it
[02:57] <holstein> i got to change the HD and put in a firewire card
[02:58] <rlameiro> holstein: i am testing it on my 2nd hadd 7200 rpm for audio
[02:58] <rlameiro> i will redesign my entire laptop functionality
[02:58] <rlameiro> I will dualboot it with vanilla ubuntu and ubuntustudio
[02:59] <holstein> i like to do it that way too
[02:59] <rlameiro> i will try to use a comon /home
[02:59] <rlameiro> i dont know if it is a good idea...
[02:59] <holstein> i know you shouldnt need to
[02:59]  * rlameiro thinks common /home will have a lot of problems :D
[02:59] <holstein> hmmm
[02:59] <claybustr> back - and jack restarted right away when I started up qjack, running again
[03:00] <holstein> i usually just keep separate installs
[03:00] <holstein> OR boxes
[03:00] <rlameiro> claybustr: some errors on the message box?
[03:00] <holstein> hmmm
[03:00] <claybustr> no errors
[03:00] <rlameiro> I just have my lap, the boxes are for other familiar uses
[03:00] <holstein> SO you have just jack running?
[03:00] <claybustr> yup - solo jack
[03:00] <holstein> fire up hydrogen
[03:00] <holstein> and lets try and track its path down
[03:01] <holstein> and make sure its routed all the way to the outputs
[03:01] <holstein> and go from there
[03:01] <rlameiro> holstein: Pipeman is on OSM
[03:01] <holstein> OH
[03:01] <holstein> claybustr: if you want
[03:01] <holstein> --- /j #opensourcemusicians
[03:01] <holstein> pipemanmusic has a delta 1010lt
[03:01] <claybustr> ok - hydrogen running and the load shot up from 4 up to 12 and then settled back down a bit
[03:02] <rlameiro> normal
[03:02] <holstein> claybustr: thats cool
[03:02] <holstein> go ahead and start one of the demos in hydrogen or something
[03:02] <holstein> and then go over the the connections area of qjackctl
[04:18] <niwo> hello. Is the Nvidia driver 1.80 (or 195.36.15) supported by karmc?
[04:20] <rlameiro> if it is suported on the normal ubuntu, it will on ubuntustudio
[04:22] <niwo> i dunno if it is, im just askin, cause my ati card in my laptop is not supported by jaunty. And i dont want to touch my studio on the pc. But i will try with a live dvd.
[04:25] <niwo> when there is one ^^
[04:25] <holstein> hey niwo
[04:25] <holstein> yup
[04:25] <holstein> i was going to say
[04:25] <holstein> the ubuntustudio DVD is not live
[04:25] <holstein> BUT you can try a live CD
[04:25] <holstein> just vanilla
[04:25] <holstein> and like rlameiro said
[04:25] <holstein> if its supported in ubuntu, ubuntustudio will be the same
[04:25] <niwo> so what i use a ubuntu karmic cd. I know ubuntu studio is just a bunch of packages ;)
[04:26] <rlameiro> basically yes
[04:26] <rlameiro> the power of deb packaging :D
[04:26] <holstein> w00t
[04:26] <rlameiro> well
[04:26] <rlameiro> gotta go
[04:27] <rlameiro> cya all
[04:27] <niwo> yes.
[04:27] <niwo> bye
[04:27] <holstein> laterz rlameiro
[09:44] <MobiusJedi> hello, i am confused. I can hear my guitar through my sound card, but I can't seem to record it
[10:03] <ShadeS> ok
[10:03] <ShadeS> you set the recording input as the hole you're plugging your guitar into?
[10:03] <MobiusJedi> well, in audacity there's only one alsa option for input
[10:04] <MobiusJedi> i have the box checked in the alsa mixer for the correct input capture
[10:04] <ShadeS> and the volumes turned up for recording?
[10:04] <ShadeS> and not muted?
[10:04] <MobiusJedi> yes
[10:04] <ShadeS> dunno
[10:04] <ShadeS> i'd have to fire my studio up
[10:04] <ShadeS> and i need to recreate a partition table for that
[10:04] <ShadeS> so it'll be a minute, better of asking someone else? ;(
[10:04] <ShadeS> try #ubuntu
[10:05] <MobiusJedi> i posted in both
[10:05] <MobiusJedi> i'm thinking this is going to be a stubborn issue
[10:06] <MobiusJedi> considering that I had to reinstall ubuntu from scratch a couple weeks ago to get sound at all
[22:26] <wirelessdreamer> has anyone here had luck getting jack and pulse to work together in 10.4 beta?
[22:26] <wirelessdreamer> programs start dying all over on me when I start jack in 10.4


[00:04] <shel3over> wa3likom salam :)
[00:04] <shel3over> can i have voice plz !
[18:51] <shel3over> hi nizarus :3
[18:52] <nizarus> ahla shel3over
[19:14] <shel3over> what up badrou  :3
[19:14] <shel3over> s*
[19:15] <shel3over> news ! movement  nizarus badrou
[21:58] <shel3over> hi SeH
[22:00] <SeH> hi, shel3over
[23:56] <shel3over> bn8 el khawa :p
[23:58]  * shel3over dodo


[09:13] <Tm_T> kwwii: slep me when you're online
[13:50] <thorwil> troy_s: do you already have something for the ideas/hated-bugs site? i just completed a few dirty thumbnail sketches and might continue with turning them into presentable sketches
[16:22] <troy_s> thorwil: No, I was waiting on info.
[16:40] <Tm_T> troy_s: hi
[16:40] <troy_s> Tm_T: Hello.
[16:41] <Tm_T> troy_s: what you think about having default theme (and related) as theme option both in GNOME and KDE
[16:41] <troy_s> Tm_T: You are quite aware it does not matter what I think, correct?
[16:41] <Tm_T> troy_s: yes
[16:42] <Tm_T> (btw KDE theme selection is from that dark spot)
[16:42] <troy_s> Tm_T:  And I have zero pull with anything aside from a few of my own nose hairs.
[16:43] <Tm_T> troy_s: I have no idea what you're trying to tell but thanks ;)
[16:43] <troy_s> troy_s: Do you mean having the same theme available on both platforms?
[18:09] <Tm_T> troy_s: no, but, I haven't seen in Kubuntu atleast any "theme" to go back to default
[18:09] <troy_s> Tm_T: Hrm... unclear here.
[18:10] <Tm_T> troy_s: as in, there's some default "theme" but it's not saved, thus not available as easy going back
[18:10] <troy_s> Tm_T: Do you mean a Kubuntu taupe blah rather like Ubuntu proper?
[18:11] <troy_s> Tm_T: Oh it will be there somewhere I would assume.  I don't use KDE, so you would require someone who knows the layout system.
[18:11] <Tm_T> troy_s: aye, thats why I was poking kwwii
[18:12] <Tm_T> troy_s: anyway, just as opinion, you think one should be there?
[18:13] <Tm_T> it's trivial to make available
[18:13] <troy_s> Tm_T: Well that seems like a no brainer really.
[18:13] <troy_s> Tm_T: Of course, many things I consider 'no brainers' are apparently 'huge big deals'.
[18:13] <Tm_T> troy_s: ?
[18:14] <troy_s> Tm_T: It would appear to be completely silly to _not_ have the default theme listed there.
[18:14] <Tm_T> troy_s: aye
[18:14] <Tm_T> I don't know why
[18:15] <troy_s> Tm_T: Are you certain it isn't local to your installation correct?
[18:16] <Tm_T> troy_s: well it wasn't me needing it, but never seen it here either
[19:41] <thorwil> hmm. would a thumb-down image work better with the back of the hand towards the viewer or away from the viewer?
[19:43] <andreasn> thorwil: I usually draw the back of the hand towards
[19:44] <thorwil> well, will do for the sketch
[19:49] <andreasn> thumbs up feels more natural showing the fingers for some reason
[19:49] <andreasn> :)
[19:51] <thorwil> yeah. can't use that for most hated bugs, though :)
[20:00] <andreasn> oh, yeah, hehe
[22:44] <Tm_T> inner hand is "friendly" and outer is "closing out" by intuitive way


[00:00] <ochosi> you should have push-rights anyway, not sure why i created a team for that repo now :)
[00:01] <ochosi> interesting feature of github, that it shows the subfolder directly when there's only one
[00:01] <ochosi> never noticed that before
[00:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: you can push the debian packaging to the branch as well, i don't mind
[00:04] <ochosi> but in that case, we might have to push the icons back to a subfolder
[00:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: no, I'll restructure if I need to
[00:04] <bluesabre> er
[00:04] <bluesabre> np*
[00:04] <ochosi> :)
[00:05] <bluesabre> I might get this together tonight even, we'll see ;)
[00:05] <ochosi> awesome!
[00:06] <ochosi> even though it has 1700 icons, you can cut that in half, because 2 sizes
[00:06] <ochosi> that leaves you with about 800 icons, of which only ~150 people really see on a regular basis
[00:06] <ochosi> so it's sort of manageable i think
[00:07] <ochosi> and naturally i'm starting with the most ugly, but also most low-hanging fruit
[00:08] <bluesabre> fair enough
[00:08] <bluesabre> dinner time, bbabl
[00:11] <ochosi> bon appetit
[00:11] <ochosi> i'll head to bed
[00:11] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:16] <knome> nighty
[00:23] <pleia2> elfy: re: surveys - it's up to you, I kind of lost enthusiasm for the surveys (still need to go through last survey info, and follow up w/ people who said they wanted info about getting involved...) and we've already made some decisions for 15.10 about defaults that I think will make sense
[00:30] <knome> yeah... there are dozens who wanted to be contacted/more information
[00:32] <pleia2> yep
[00:32] <pleia2> should just draft up a generic email and Bcc: it to folks
[00:33] <knome> bah :)
[00:33] <knome> generic emails suck
[00:35] <pleia2> heh
[00:35] <pleia2> indeed
[00:36] <pleia2> but time
[00:36] <knome> sure
[00:36] <knome> but in the end it's not too much
[00:37] <knome> the official part can be the same for everybody
[00:37] <pleia2> mostly just personalize with name then?
[00:37] <knome> maybe, or sth like that
[00:37]  * pleia2 nods
[00:37] <knome> there's a tb extension that does that automagically
[00:38] <pleia2> neat
[00:53] <knome> off to bed
[00:53] <knome> ttyl
[00:53] <knome> and nighty :)
[00:58] <Unit193> ochosi: Elementary had an opinion on core?  Well hey, awesome.
[02:09] <bluesabre> ochosi: with https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary you now have a makefile... a bad makefile, but functional enough
[02:09] <bluesabre> make; make install; make uninstall; make clean
[02:11] <Unit193> PREFIX and DESTDIR?
[03:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: never said it was a good makefile, just flubbed one together :p
[03:47] <bluesabre> and LO seems very particular about icon theme locations
[03:47] <bluesabre> bed time, bbl
[06:12] <elfy> pleia2: works for me - I decided there's no need ...
[06:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice that you could hack something together so quickly! works nicely
[06:52] <ochosi> elfy: just fyi, i've commenced work on the LO icon theme for xubuntu, it's already easily/readily testable, but we'll likely get it in a PPA at some point in the near future
[06:53] <ochosi> so in case you wanna take a sneak peek or anything, lemme know
[06:53] <elfy> ochosi: yep - read enough backlog to catch the drift of that :)
[06:53] <ochosi> good good :)
[06:53] <ochosi> just felt since it involves testing i better tell you ;)
[06:54] <Unit193> That makefile will need to be patched by the packager. :P
[06:54] <elfy> heh
[06:54] <ochosi> Unit193: hehe, sure sure, but for the moment it does its job ;)
[06:58] <elfy> ochosi: and there in LO now
[06:58] <ochosi> still quite a few icons missing though
[06:58] <ochosi> this was just my first rage against the LO icon mess
[06:59] <elfy> no matter - I can just follow and check for ellipses as things change :p
[06:59] <ochosi> :)
[06:59] <ochosi> partly it's a bit about checking whether there are icons that really look misplaced
[06:59] <ochosi> like orange folder icons or the like
[07:00] <ochosi> so yeah, i think that sort of testing is a perfect match for you!
[07:00] <elfy> ha ha ha
[07:04] <elfy> ochosi: I guess you were always "Oh god ... icons :(" when the LO/abiword discussion started again :)
[07:05] <ochosi> yeah
[07:05] <ochosi> but then i buckled up and got to work ;)
[07:05] <elfy> :)
[07:34] <ochosi> bbl
[10:26] <ochosi> odd, the libreoffice icons don't work on my old 14.04 install @office
[10:26] <knome> hump
[10:26] <knome> old LO version acting up?
[10:28] <ochosi> could be
[10:28] <ochosi> i have <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:30] <ochosi> hmm, i really wonder whether 4.2 -> 4.4 makes such a difference there
[10:30] <knome> well, if the same stuff works on 4.4...
[10:31] <ochosi> yeah hum, not sure
[10:32] <ochosi> odd thing is, the other icon packs' deb packages look the same as in vivid
[10:32] <knome> :)
[10:33] <ochosi> so no idea what's not working
[10:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: one thing i notice is that the makefile sets the wrong file permissions. the zip shouldn't really have the executable byte set
[10:34] <knome> pebkac? (:
[10:39] <bluesabre> ochosi: update the permissions in the makefile ;)
[10:39] <bluesabre> or, what should the perms be?
[10:40] <ochosi> -rw-r--r--
[10:40] <bluesabre> k
[10:40] <ochosi> i don't think that's really causing the issue though
[10:40] <ochosi> must be something else, no clue what
[10:40] <bluesabre> there's a libreoffice ppa, fwiw
[10:41] <ochosi> yeah, i'm asking the devs and then i'll check
[10:41] <ochosi> chmod 644 i guess
[10:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: fixed
[10:49] <ochosi> yeah, no change, still not showing up
[10:49] <ochosi> guess i could try the PPA to see whether it's really version-related
[10:49] <ochosi> i presume the icons work for yu?
[10:49] <ochosi> you
[10:51] <bluesabre> yes
[10:51] <ochosi> k
[11:08] <ochosi> hm, if anyone else has a chance to test this on 14.04, it would be a "nice to have" to get the theme working there too
[11:21] <bluesabre> I think I've almost got the packaging ready
[11:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: I have some basic packaging working now... I'll drop it into the shimmer daily ppa tonight
[11:34] <ochosi> nice!
[11:35] <ochosi> i'll continue the updating of the icons as i go
[11:35] <ochosi> but it should already be a noticeable improvement
[11:35] <ochosi> if you notice any missing or annoyingly bad icons, just submit an issue on the github tracker
[11:35] <ochosi> (same goes for anyone who uses/tests this)
[11:36] <ochosi> i might even make this public soonish, so that we get more feedback about important missing icons
[11:36] <knome> ochosi, oh, you don't want me to just fix/push? (;
[11:36] <ochosi> hah, well you should do that ofc
[11:36] <knome> nah, i'm just teasing
[11:36] <knome> of course i won't do that!
[11:37] <knome> seriously speaking, i might give a look at LO with what you have done so far at some point
[11:37] <knome> if you create a list of icons you want to revamp, that would be helpful too
[11:38] <ochosi> hmyeah
[11:38] <ochosi> actually with many icons it's hard to know what context they'll appear in
[11:38] <ochosi> that's why i want users to look
[11:38] <knome> sure
[11:38] <ochosi> the whole icon theme dirs are a huge mess
[11:38] <knome> but if you see an icon in context
[11:38] <knome> and think it's crap
[11:39] <ochosi> so it's hard to keep an overview
[11:39] <knome> but don't have the time to fix it...
[11:39] <knome> haha
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah, *if*
[11:39] <ochosi> :)
[11:39] <knome> i'll look for at least the icons i use constantly
[11:39] <knome> even if they aren't crap, i could try to push and make those consistent
[11:39] <ochosi> yup, that's all i want actually
[11:39] <ochosi> replacing all crappy icons would be far too much work
[11:39] <ochosi> i want the ones that matter the most
[11:39] <knome> for us or for regular users :)
[11:40] <ochosi> if/when you do that, please check the resolution of the originals
[11:40] <knome> fwiw, some of this might be useful for huego
[11:40] <ochosi> some have weirdo resolutions like 26x26
[11:40] <knome> for use with inkscape/gimp
[11:40] <ochosi> yeah, there are many icons that would be shared
[11:40] <ochosi> but i'm not even thinking that far yet
[11:40] <knome> sure, no hurry with that
[11:40] <ochosi> (also, i don't use any node-based graphics editing in LO, so don't care)
[11:41] <knome> me neither
[11:41] <knome> then again, i use that in inkscape, so either way...
[11:41] <ochosi> yeah, if you're motivated to work on that, sure thing
[11:41] <knome> well
[11:42] <knome> i'd love to see the new icons
[11:42] <knome> but motivated... likely not enough to just do it
[11:42] <knome> :|
[11:42] <ochosi> the things that could be improved because prominent are things like "bold, underlined, italic" etc
[11:42] <knome> yep
[11:42] <knome> another thing you could write down is the style you are thinking
[11:42] <knome> or some guidelines
[11:42] <ochosi> they don't look totally misplaced though, so not even those are high on my list
[11:42] <ochosi> style is elementary, that's all
[11:42] <ochosi> should work well with that
[11:43] <knome> aha ok
[11:43] <ochosi> for now it's a copy-paste job
[11:43] <ochosi> and even that was enough work
[11:43] <knome> :)
[11:54] <ochosi> bbabl
[11:54] <knome> hf
[13:59] <ochosi> knome: if you feel like working on some real improvements, these would be very much appreciated: http://i.imgur.com/BKFSmzW.png
[14:20] <knome> yep..
[14:21] <GridCube> yes
[14:22] <GridCube> ._. my proffessor cancelled today's class... because his son died on the weekend
[14:22] <GridCube> .___________.
[14:23] <GridCube> oops i though this was ot
[20:04] <knome> pleia2, ping
[20:58] <knome> http://www.piqo.fr/blog/piqo/10101-xubuntu-piqo-edition-telechargeable-en-pre-alpha.html#.VUeTwfntlBc
[20:58] <knome> ochosi, ^ did you see that already?
[20:59] <knome> ochosi, my first reaction confirmed by lyʒ - "they can't do that"
[21:00] <knome> also, making a blanket statement that xubuntu is "GPL"...
[21:06] <ochosi> knome: right, i didn't even know about the piqo
[21:06] <knome> me neither
[21:06] <knome> well until i bumped into it last week
[21:06] <ochosi> it would have been nice of those folks to get in touch with us, for starters
[21:06] <knome> i can't even remember how
[21:25] <pleia2> knome: pong
[21:26] <knome> pleia2, can you dump sume css to extras.css?
[21:26] <knome> *some
[21:26] <pleia2> sure
[21:26] <knome> oh wait
[21:26] <knome> we have a repository
[21:26] <knome> i'll prepare that
[21:32] <knome> pleia2, lp:xubuntu-website/static-assets is prepared for you
[21:32] <pleia2> :)
[21:32] <pleia2> k
[21:33] <knome> thanks
[21:33] <Unit193> knome: docs.x.o going to have translations?
[21:33] <knome> Unit193, ask pleia2?
[21:34] <Unit193> Aha, newer one does then.
[21:34] <pleia2> yeah, just 15.04
[21:35] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/hardware-devices.html#restricted-drivers is that supposed to look like that?
[21:35] <knome> likely not..
[21:36] <pleia2> knome: new extras.css is installed
[21:36]  * knome bows
[21:36] <knome> Unit193, nope, but i can see that's a problem the new dir structure created
[21:36] <knome> it removed the files the old docs were pointing to
[21:36] <knome> (filenames changed at some point)
[21:36] <knome> xubuntu-book.css -> style.css
[21:36] <Unit193> Eh, vivid looks fine and has translations, so I'm good.
[21:36] <pleia2> I can stash them back, just need to remember
[21:37] <knome> pleia2, symlinking what i just said should be fine
[21:37] <knome> in libs/
[21:37] <pleia2> k
[21:38] <pleia2> done
[21:39] <ochosi> btw, a LO 5.0 release is coming up and will land in wily
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, great, it even works
[21:39] <ochosi> just as a notice for something we might have to look out for
[21:39] <ochosi> elfy: ^
[21:39] <knome> ochosi, maybe notice it in some blueprint(s)
[21:40] <ochosi> ok, added to -dev
[21:41] <pleia2> knome: did you add the laptop+desktop drawings to the main site recently?
[21:41] <pleia2> so cute!
[21:41] <ochosi> +1
[21:41] <knome> pleia2, yep
[21:42] <knome> pleia2, planning on adding more of the same style, glad you like it
[21:42] <pleia2> cool
[21:42] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/web_art/xwa-community.png
[21:42] <pleia2> looks a bit dude-y
[21:43] <knome> i've been thinking to add a gal-ey one on the right
[21:43] <pleia2> :)
[22:14] <drc> oooo...Xubuntu, the distro of choice for Guys and Dolls :)
[22:38] <Unit193> Better than doodie..
[22:40]  * drc looks for the soap....