[20:55] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know what is exactly davs:// in nautilus address bar?
[20:56] <Pici> mojtaba: I'd guess it represnets a webdav url
[20:57] <mojtaba> Pici: Do you know what protocols does it use?
[20:58] <dalfry> mojtaba: most probably https
[20:59] <Pricey> mojtaba: webdav is itself a protocol. Sure it may be inside http/https, but also tcp etc. at lower layers?
[20:59] <Pricey> mojtaba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV
[21:00] <kristenbb> I'm still having issues to install ubuntu... can someone please help me ?
[21:02] <cp> kristenbb:   if you don't tell us, well, we won't know :S
[21:03] <kristenbb> cp: tell you what ?
[21:03] <johnjohn101> like what issues you are seeing.
[21:04] <kristenbb> I have a regular setup, with a ssd I'd like to install ubuntu on, and a hdd with data. I installed ubuntu on the ssd, but I get a grub error: partition missing.
[21:06] <somnambulant> anyone have any idea why this command is working when you run from terminal, but DOES NOT work when you run it as a bash script? sed -e '/eth0/d' -e '/eth1/d' -e 's/eth2/eth0/g' -e 's/eth3/eth1/g' /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules-temp && mv -f /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules-temp 70-persistent-net.rules
[21:06] <kristenbb> I have tried many things, including launching a live cd and chrooting into my ssd, then updating grub, including using the boot repair gui tool, and so on and so forth, as I was told here. yet nothing worked, I have been through 5 installation procedures already, and it's been 4 days since I'm looking for help
[21:07] <acovrig> I would like to setup a virtual environment: xen,kvm,or virtualbox to run a webserver,router distro, and possibly something for a thin client; which should I use: xen,kvm,or virtualbox?
[21:07] <Pricey> somnambulant: What doesn't work about it? I note that last bit doesn't include a full path?
[21:07] <johnjohn101> kristenbb: what happens if you install to the ssd but you do not have your hdd connected?
[21:07] <somnambulant> Pricey: ouch OK wow
[21:07] <Pricey> somnambulant: hmm?
[21:07] <ekim> Hi all,
[21:07] <somnambulant> Pricey: man I've been working on this too long.. that was it of course
[21:07] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: I have not tried that but I don't have easy access to the drives.
[21:07] <somnambulant> Pricey: err I mean that must be it
[21:08] <ekim> Does anyone here know a linux program that I can install in Ubuntu 12.04 that is like Photoshop?
[21:08] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: but i'm sure I'm not the first one with such a normal setup
[21:08] <Pricey> somnambulant: woop woop. You may also want to look into the '-i' option to sed. (Some seds i've used don't have it though... but pretty sure Ubuntu's will.)
[21:08] <tacomaster> ekim: gimp
[21:08] <marko-_-> Hello can someone help me how to use spell check in libreoffice writter? Like here in xchat where it underlines the wrong words with red (like word does too). I need it for an english project
[21:09] <johnjohn101> kristenbb: i was just trying to eliminate the ssd as the source of the problem.
[21:09] <Pricey> somnambulant: (I'm sorry, it'll remove all need for half of what you've done)
[21:09] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: hdd you mean
[21:09] <music> I was also wondering about using dual-boot on a compaq presario cq-62 laptop that, unfortunately has windows 7
[21:09] <ekim> tacomaster:  does that Gimp edit, touchup, manipulate photos real good?
[21:09] <johnjohn101> ssd is /dev/sda   hdd is /dev/sdb ?
[21:10] <eager> hi all, I'd like to have a folder in my home dir with several executable scripts; I can put symlinks to usr/local/bin/ to make the system see these scripts as commands; but:
[21:10] <gordonjcp> ekim: it's okay, although it's rather different to Photoshop
[21:10] <eager> can I symlink only the dir-name?
[21:10] <tacomaster> ekim: if you cant find it in the base program there are tons of add-ons that you can attach does every thing i have ever needed it for.
[21:10] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: no, ssd is /dev/sdb and hdd is /dev/sda. I don't know why. I'd like to install ubuntu on the ssd. the hdd contains data
[21:10] <eager> so that I have to do it only once?
[21:10] <music> spell-check is usually used by right-clicking and then clicking on the correct spelling of the word
[21:10] <gordonjcp> ekim: do not expect all your muscle-memory keyboard shortcuts to work ;-)
[21:10] <linelevel> Okay guys, I just performed a clean install of Ubuntu and set up a LUKS-encrypted root partition. I did *not* use LVM  on top of LUKS this time. When I boot the system, I get dropped into a initramfs shell and have to manually call `cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 crypt`, after which I exit the shell (Ctrl-D) and it boots fine. But why won't it attempt the luksOpen on its own?
[21:10] <linelevel> It's  as if my /etc/crypttab didn't exist.
[21:11] <gordonjcp> ekim: also you can use command-line tools for a lot of photo processing, depending on what you're doing
[21:11] <johnjohn101> kristenbb: do you know how to used the manual partitioning tool and mount / on the ssd?
[21:11] <Pricey> somnambulant: See it? :P
[21:11] <ekim> I need one that is has good features and some power to it, like photoshop!
[21:11] <acovrig> imagemagick
[21:11] <gordonjcp> ekim: I use ImageMagick for scaling, rotating and watermarking large batches of images
[21:11] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: come again?
[21:11] <somnambulant> Pricey: thanks much for your help (or eyes :)
[21:11] <ekim> I have photos that I need to change the background on for starters.
[21:11] <somnambulant> Pricey: so with -i I don't need to redirect?
[21:12] <gordonjcp> ekim: bit of command-line scripting and walk away and leave it for ten minutes ;-)
[21:12] <johnjohn101> kristenbb: when you go to install, you do the partitioning of ssd yourself (not automatic) and then put / as the mount point.
[21:12] <Pricey> somnambulant: -i edits the file in place.
[21:12] <ekim> no command line as I am a linux noob...LOL
[21:12] <gordonjcp> ekim: come back, boom, 30000 images rescaled, watermarked and recompressed with a thumbnail copy
[21:12] <somnambulant> Pricey: hmm ok centos will have to have that too for what im doing
[21:12] <music> you can get photoshop for free but it isnt the new one
[21:12] <Pricey> somnambulant: You can also specify a suffix to get a backup.
[21:12] <Pricey> somnambulant: It does.
[21:12] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: no I have not tried that. Would you like me to try a 6th installation with this option ?
[21:13] <ekim> music:  where and how old of version?
[21:13] <somnambulant> Pricey: so I keep all the -e commands, add the -i, and remove the redirects I guess... k
[21:13] <somnambulant> Pricey: thanks
[21:13] <music> snapfiles I think it is maybe 2007??
[21:13] <johnjohn101> kristenbb, i would try that.  there isn't anything on the ssd now, correct?  you may have to make a swap partition as well
[21:13] <Pricey> somnambulant: yup and the mv.
[21:13] <somnambulant> Pricey: right ok cool
[21:14] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: well there is just a failed attempt...
[21:14] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: can you guide me through the process then please ? I'm tired of trying by myself and failing :(
[21:14] <johnjohn101> kristenbb: ok let me know when you get to the partition part
[21:14] <Pricey> somnambulant: test it... "echo foo > bar && sed -i -e 's/foo/baz/' bar && cat bar"
[21:16] <ekim> it doesnt show up in the software depository...imagemagick
[21:16] <chimeracoder> I have a Unity question - hopefully this is the right place to ask it:
[21:16] <elisa87> how can I install gimple for extracting the intermediates from the C/C++ code like CFG (Control Flow Graph)?
[21:17] <chimeracoder> I have a setup with two monitors - is there a way to specify a keyboard shortcut to change the focus to the other monitor?
[21:17] <chimeracoder> (I have focus-follows-mouse, so if there's a keyboard shortcut to place the mouse on the other monitor, that might work too)
[21:18] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: ok I'm almost there. One thing I'd like to mention is that during the previous installations, I tried things such as a GPT partition table, and a EFI mode. I'm not sure what these mean, but I think it's part of why it is so messed up right now.
[21:18] <gordonjcp> kristenbb: aha
[21:18] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: I'd like to go back to just a normal drive
[21:18] <gordonjcp> kristenbb: you've got it in one
[21:19] <gordonjcp> kristenbb: GPT puts a partition table at each end of the drive
[21:19] <gordonjcp> kristenbb: zero out the first and last few blocks of the drive
[21:19] <kristenbb> gordonjcp: okay, so what to do from here? I'm trying to install once more.
[21:20] <gordonjcp> kristenbb: something like "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd<whatever> bs=1M count=1"
[21:20] <gordonjcp> kristenbb: followed by the same thing with "skip=<some number" tagged on the end
[21:21] <gordonjcp> where <some number> is a bit less than the total number of blocks on your drive
[21:21] <adymitruk> I'm trying to increase the ulimit  and any changes I make in the files according to this documentation don't help http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/
[21:21] <kristenbb> gordonjcp: where to do that from ? I'm at the installation procedure now.
[21:21] <adymitruk> I'm on ubuntu 12.10 64bdt
[21:21] <g0to> hello there
[21:21] <adymitruk> even after a reboot, my riak user complains about a 1024 file limit and says it is expectiong 4096
[21:21] <g0to> I'm having problems with my volume control
[21:22] <g0to> the lower level I can set using the media keys is 18%
[21:22] <mojtaba> Pricey: Do you know how can I access to this shared folder from cmd?
[21:22] <mojtaba> dalfry: Do you know how can I get access to this shared folder via cmd?
[21:23] <g0to> and the three first strokes from the bottom (mute) don't do nothing
[21:23] <Pricey> mojtaba: Have you googled "mount webdav"?
[21:23] <mojtaba> Pricey: I have mounted it already
[21:23] <Pricey> mojtaba: Awesome. So just access the folder like any other.
[21:24] <mojtaba> Pricey: there was a guide in my host website and they just told there to copy the address in nautilus.
[21:24] <kristenbb> johnjohn101: are you still there  ?
[21:24] <mojtaba> Pricey: I took a look at /media, but there were nothing!
[21:26] <mojtaba> Pricey: ls -l, do not shows it in my home folder.
[21:29] <dekae> is there a cli/curses-based "post-install wizard" for ubuntu, similar to anaconda?  if so, what's it called, and is there a way to launch it on startup?
[21:29] <dekae> firstboot-ish
[21:29] <aezrtyuiop> whats uppp
[21:29] <kristenbb> Can someone please help me to install ubuntu ? :(
[21:29] <mojtaba> Pricey: Do you know how can I have access it through cmd?
[21:30] <Pricey> mojtaba: I'm not sure how to access it if accessed via nautilut. I'm not sure if it'll even be mounted...
[21:30] <g0to> kristenbb, where did you get lost?
[21:31] <kristenbb> g0to: I am not able to boot into it, I get a grub error: 'no such partition'.
[21:31] <mojtaba> Pricey: How can I find if it is mounted or not?
[21:31] <bprompt> kristenbb:    let's start from the very beginning, you burned the .iso to a usb stick?
[21:31] <Pricey> mojtaba: I would've expected it to show in the output to 'mount'
[21:32] <th0r> mojtaba: open a terminal and type 'mount'
[21:32] <kristenbb> bprompt: no, a cd.
[21:32] <g0to> kristenbb, is that the first and only message you get when you insert your bootable media and start your computer?
[21:32] <shortstraw8> I have never setup a VPN and was wondering how to do it without a third party server. I just want to connect my Win7 laptop to my Ubuntu 12.04 desktop. I tried using what it come with (type in VPN brings up a program) and it does not connect. It says server might be unreachable.
[21:32] <bprompt> kristenbb:    then you booted to the cd and the bootup choices came up, to where did you install? "auto" to use the whole disk or manually creating your own partitions?
[21:32] <kristenbb> g0to: yes it is the first and only message I get when I start my computer. It's not related to inserting a bootable media, if I insert a cd, it starts from there.
[21:32] <chirayu> shortstraw8, you are trying to access it from the outside?
[21:33] <chirayu> what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:33] <kristenbb> bprompt: auto.
[21:33] <mojtaba> Pricey: th0r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691796/
[21:33] <bprompt> kristenbb:   so, you only have 1 partition there, with ubuntu only, right?
[21:33] <bprompt> well, plus the swap partition
[21:33] <kristenbb> bprompt: I have two disks, a hdd (sda) with data, and a ssd (sdb) where I'd like to install ubuntu.
[21:34] <shortstraw8> chirayu, yes they are not connected, other than my wireless router I guess
[21:34] <bprompt> kristenbb:   so you installed to the "sdb", right?
[21:34] <linelevel> In case anyone cares, I figured out my LUKS boot problem!
[21:34] <chirayu> they are both in a same physical location? if so, why do you need VPN?
[21:34] <linelevel> I am so happy right now.
[21:34] <chirayu> just set up LAN
[21:34] <kristenbb> bprompt: yes I did. And right now, as you said, I have the default installation with a swap and so forth.
[21:34] <chirayu> linelevel, that's awesome
[21:35] <g0to> kristenbb, you said you get the error message when trying to install or I just missunderstood ?
[21:35] <shortstraw8> chirayu,  I am going to be working out of town and have school file on my desktop that I want to access while I am gone.
[21:36] <kristenbb> g0to: no you misunderstood, sorry for explaining poorly. I was able to install successfully, but it's when I try to start the computer that I receive this message
[21:36] <kristenbb> bprompt: at this point I'd like to mention that during previous (which also failed) installations, some people told me here to choose a gpt table, and a EFI thing. I don't know what these mean.
[21:36] <g0to> kristenbb, I see now
[21:37] <kristenbb> g0to, bprompt: so the question is, what to do from here ? Would you like me to launch the live cd, to start yet another installation, to do something else ?
[21:37] <bprompt> kristenbb:    hold the mayo,  did the install fail during the installation process, or you're just saying it failed because you can't get in the installed ubuntu on "sdb"?
[21:38] <kristenbb> bprompt: the second one.
[21:38] <bprompt> kristenbb:    or did the installation finished "successfully" or did not?
[21:38] <kristenbb> bprompt: yes it appeared to finish successfully, but it didn't, since I'm not able to start ubuntu.
[21:38] <bprompt> kristenbb:   ok.. so the installation 'worked', your Grub in the MBR of the fixed disk isn't renewed to reflect that then
[21:39] <g0to> kristenbb, did you tried installing other OSs before on that disk?
[21:39] <kristenbb> bprompt: yes, though I'm not sure I have a MBR.
[21:39] <bprompt> kristenbb:    well, you do, all systems would have one :)
[21:39] <kristenbb> g0to: yes, including this one over 5 times now, for the last 3 days :(
[21:40] <mojtaba> Pricey: th0r: did you see it?
[21:40] <kristenbb> bprompt: I'm not so sure, I'm not an expert but as I said I think I have a gpt or efi (not sure the difference).
[21:40] <g0to> kristenbb, I meant, a working one. Maybe you bought that computer with Windows pre installed
[21:40] <th0r> kristenbb: near the end of the install, when it installs grub, do you tell it to use sdb (I *THNIK* it will default to sda unless told otherwise)
[21:41] <th0r> mojtaba: I didn't see anything mounted other than the initial (sda) hard drive, and the vm
[21:41] <kristenbb> th0r: I don't recall changing this, but in the bios, I tried starting from sda or sdb, and both give the same error.
[21:41] <mojtaba> th0r: Then it is not installed, just I have it in the nautilus?
[21:42] <kristenbb> g0to: No it was a ssd I bought by myself.
[21:43] <g0to> kristenbb, did you try some googling to ensure the disk is 100% compatible?
[21:43] <kristenbb> g0to: I had a working ubuntu in there before...
[21:43] <th0r> mojtaba: don't use nautilus, so can't help in that regard
[21:43] <bprompt> kristenbb:     using the bootable CD, don't install Ubuntu, choose the "try ubuntu" option, to start a Live Session, and then open a console window and try this -> http://pastie.org/7945290
[21:44] <bprompt> kristenbb:    all that does is, remakes the grub.conf in the SSD, and then will stick it in the MBR, "grub-install"
[21:45] <kristenbb> sorry my computer shut down for no reason. Did anyone say anything since I last spoke ?
[21:45] <tinhpt> how to install cloud "copy.com" for ubuntu?
[21:45] <bprompt> kristenbb:     using the bootable CD, don't install Ubuntu, choose the "try ubuntu" option, to start a Live Session, and then open a console window and try this -> http://pastie.org/7945290
[21:45] <bprompt> kristenbb:    all that does is, remakes the grub.conf in the SSD, and then will stick it in the MBR, "grub-install"
[21:46] <th0r> bprompt: if the ssd is sdb, do you want that script to install to sda? (just checking)
[21:46] <g0to> bprompt's solution sound great to me. Check it out, kristenbb  and tell us how it worked
[21:46] <bprompt> th0r:  nope :), thus my comments there :)
[21:47] <bprompt> kristenbb:    so  you know, your installation is fine, is just the Grub in the MBR is looking for 'older' UUIDs  or paths
[21:48] <dominic_> i have a question
[21:48] <g0to> go ahead, dominic_
[21:48] <bprompt> kristenbb:    also understand that, each Fixed disk has an MBR, and if you have many partitions, Grub uses the Fixed disk mbr, no partitions mbr
[21:48] <elisa87> when I am trying to install gcc plugin I receive these error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691840/ do you know how to fix it?
[21:48] <kristenbb> bprompt: so wait, let's go step by step please ?
[21:49] <dominic_> i did a file in my home but when i try to open an other file in my home it doesnt work
[21:49] <a5m0> hi i just upgraded to 13.04 on a supermicro server and then ran all updates but now i'm getting a bug: soft lockup cpu stuck bug on startup
[21:49] <bprompt> kristenbb:   well, -> http://pastie.org/7945290     <- goes step by step :)
[21:49] <kristenbb> bprompt: this is unfortunately a list of commands I've tried before, and it didn't work.
[21:50] <g0to> elisa87, what's your current Ubuntu version?
[21:50] <bprompt> kristenbb:    well, is  a list I've used myself several times over, and worked, usually I install ubuntu 1st, then say win7, win7 kicks out grub, then I use a chroot like the pasted one, to stick grub back
[21:50] <elisa87> g0to: Ubuntu 12.04 and my gcc is gcc version 4.4.7 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.7-1ubuntu2)
[21:52] <dominic_> i do : cd /downloads : doenst work
[21:52] <kristenbb> bprompt: okay, so I'm at the update-grub part, and it says cannot find list of partitions, try mounting /sys. So I exit and mount /sys and try again, right ? I've been through all that already.
[21:52] <kristenbb> the link was not the same but the instructions were exactly equal.
[21:53] <bprompt> kristenbb:   did you mount the ssd?
[21:53] <bprompt> kristenbb:    and what did "fdisk -l" give you for the ssd?
[21:53] <kristenbb> bprompt: I didn't write any commands besides the ones in that link you gave me.
[21:54] <bprompt> kristenbb:   well, those are in the paste
[21:54] <kristenbb> bprompt: fdisk -l gives /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, and a warning saying fdisk doesn't support gpt.
[21:54] <g0to> elisa87, did you try installing the dependencies by yourself?
[21:55] <g0to> elisa87, 'sudo apt-get install gcc-4.4'
[21:55] <Chvx> Which us best to use label or uuid?
[21:55] <bekks> Chvx: Doesnt matter basically. Two different approaches.
[21:55] <bprompt> kristenbb:    ok, mount the sdb1 then -> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[21:55] <dominic_> adwaita-cupertino what does it mean
[21:56] <kristenbb> bprompt: but 13.04 is not on sdb1, it's on sdb2.
[21:56] <g0to> dominic_, what are you trying to do? you might use the 'ls' command to list the contents in your home
[21:56] <bekks> kristenbb: fdisk does not support GPT.
[21:57] <bprompt> kristenbb:     .... ok.... then mount sbd2 :|, I was about to ask where is your installation, cuz sda may as well be an ssd
[21:57] <bekks> kristenbb: Whatever fdisk says, its output will not reflect your system, cause you are using GPT.
[21:57] <dominic_> i try to learn linux
[21:57] <bprompt> kristenbb:     sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt
[21:57] <kristenbb> yes that's what I did
[21:57] <kristenbb> and then I did sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc, and same for /dev and /sys
[21:58] <kristenbb> then chroot, then grub-install, then restart computer, and then the problem is still here.
[21:58] <bprompt> kristenbb:    ok, now mount the proc and dev directories -->  sudo mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc; sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
[21:58] <kristenbb> yep
[21:58] <g0to> dominic_, you should try reading. There is a whole world of readings out there where you can learn lots stuff
[21:58] <bprompt> kristenbb:   now,   -> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[21:59] <kristenbb> yes I did all that.
[21:59] <bprompt> kristenbb:    ok, upgrade-grub
[21:59] <kristenbb> then update-grub, then grub-install, then restart.
[22:00] <bprompt> kristenbb:    then -> grub-install /dev/sdb   <--- sdb, no sdb2, just sdb
[22:00] <dominic_> i try what im reading
[22:01] <jolsiphur> Hello. I'm very new to Ubuntu and I'm having a weird issue. Could anyone help me out?
[22:01] <kristenbb> and then restart, right?
[22:01] <RobbyF> ask away
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, when ubuntu moves to mir, will fluxbox run on it?
[22:01] <kristenbb> bprompt: and then restart  ?
[22:02] <bprompt> kristenbb:     exit; then umount everything, -> sudo umount /mnt/proc; sudo umount /dev/dev; sudo umoun /mnt
[22:02] <bprompt> kristenbb:  then restart
[22:02] <jolsiphur> I'm trying to grab some files from network attached storage. When i try to copy them over to my local drive I get an error saying no such file or directory. How can I get my files moved over?
[22:02] <kristenbb> bprompt: ok, I restarted, the problem is still here.
[22:02] <g0to> kristenbb, you almost got it!
[22:03] <g0to> kristenbb, ohhh, maybe you don't :/
[22:03] <bprompt> kristenbb:    you have 2 hdd, does you bios give you a boot override option?
[22:03] <bprompt> kristenbb:    I'm thinking you have a Grub in "sda" and is the one bios is booting with
[22:04] <kristenbb> bprompt: yes, I tried to launch both, and both give the same error message. grub error: no such partition
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> jolsiphur: what does the nas use to share on the lan?
[22:05] <kristenbb> :'(
[22:05] <jolsiphur> It's using WINS to the best of my knowledge.
[22:06] <bprompt> kristenbb:    "no such partition" just means Grub is trying to access a nonexisten UUID or path, so, whatever Grub is kicking in, is very oudated and looking for old paths/devices, so not sure what you have in sda or .... whatever else, but I know the chrooting works
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> jolsiphur: wins is similar to a dns server
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> jolsiphur: do you mean samba?
[22:06] <jolsiphur> I believe so.
[22:07] <kristenbb> bprompt: using F8 when the computer starts, I can choose which device to boot from. I chose the ssd (/dev/sdb) and it produces the same error message.
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> jolsiphur: i suggest you use nmap to scan the device. If you find it has sftp then try connecting to that
[22:08] <jolsiphur> How do I do that?
[22:09] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> jolsiphur: install nmap, then run:  nmap ip.address.or.nas
[22:10] <bprompt> kristenbb:    can't say then.... I'd think something you're not doing, ... can't say
[22:11] <meoblast001> anyone have any idea why i'd have this issue? http://dpaste.com/1195702/
[22:12] <bprompt> meoblast001:     try -> sudo apt-get check;
[22:12] <bprompt> meoblast001:    that'd say which files are missing libraries
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> meoblast001: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc
[22:13] <bprompt> meoblast001:   but a "-f install" will fetch them anyhow
[22:13] <jolsiphur> I can't seem to find it with nmap. Though it doesn't help that it's built into my router. I know for a fact it's using Samba and i can find it using the file browser.
[22:13] <meoblast001> bprompt: complains about those radeon intel issues when i run check
[22:13] <kristenbb> bprompt: your instructions are not that hard to follow, I applied them one by one. The only thing I changed from your pastie was the UBUNTUPARTITIONHERE which I replaced by /dev/sdb2, the sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys, and the grub-install /dev/sdb.
[22:13] <meoblast001> ActionParsnip: quantal
[22:13] <kristenbb> bprompt: and I still get 'error: no such partition. grub rescue>'
[22:14] <meoblast001> hm, brb
[22:14] <bprompt> kristenbb:   it's not /sys, tis /proc, I assume that was just a typo
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> meoblast001: did you try bpromt's sugestion?
[22:15] <kristenbb> bprompt: no it was not a typo, I had to use 3 bind commands, /proc, /dev and /sys, otherwise I get an error saying /sys is not mounted.
[22:15] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:15] <bprompt> kristenbb:    must be a 13.04 thing, I don't get in 12.04 or older
[22:16] <kristenbb> bprompt: yes could be.
[22:16] <kristenbb> bprompt: in any case, I am still at the same error over and over again.
[22:17] <bprompt> kristenbb:     tried yet to do a "manual" install?    I mean, as in not selecting "auto" from the bootable cd installation menu
[22:17] <kristenbb> bprompt: no, would you like me to try that ?
[22:18] <bprompt> kristenbb:    all that does is, you make/create your own partitions and set them as root and/or swap
[22:18] <kristenbb> ok so let's try that, it will only be the 6th
[22:18] <bprompt> kristenbb:    sure, try using "ext4", don't forget to make 2, 1 for root, and a tiny one for the swap, and don't forget to "flag" the root as root
[22:19] <brendang> If I want to try ubuntu with kernel debuginfo, is there a version that is best to try? (12.04 LTS, 13.04, desktop, ?) I'll be using it for DTrace.
[22:19] <kristenbb> bprompt: wait please, guide me through this time, I've never done it manually before.
[22:19] <bprompt> kristenbb:   ok
[22:20] <kristenbb> bprompt: and once again, let me repeat that during previous installations, I had gpt and efi. I think these stay in between installations because fdisk -l still mentions gpt.
[22:20] <kristenbb> bprompt: I would really like to remove gpt and efi and all these things, to just have a normal installation.
[22:21] <bprompt> kristenbb:    well, upon "manual",  you'll have the choice to remove all partitions
[22:21] <kristenbb> bprompt: ok, I'm almost there.
[22:21] <kristenbb> bprompt: I'm starting to know all these steps by heart.
[22:22] <kristenbb> the first one is the language, then comes the choice whether to download updates while installing, and install third party software
[22:22] <kristenbb> I chose both
[22:22] <bprompt> kristenbb:  no updates
[22:22] <kristenbb> now it's about to ask me to go manual or auto, but it's still thinking.
[22:22] <bprompt> kristenbb:    that'd make it longer than necessary, 3rd party software is ok, no updates though
[22:23] <kristenbb> wait you want no updates? sorry I didn't know
[22:23] <kristenbb> I can go back though, but for now it's still thinking.
[22:24] <bprompt> kristenbb:   I've heard libreoffice 4.0 is crashy in 13.04, so you know
[22:24] <kristenbb> ok, so I chose english, then 3rd party, and then no updates. It's still thinking
[22:25] <lDromedario> Hi
[22:25] <bprompt> allo
[22:25] <sebuba> Hello, anyone see this error on ubuntu ? The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version
[22:25] <kristenbb> while it's thinking, let me state that my ssd is composed of 250GB. what kind of partitions (/,/home,swap and such) should I create?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> bprompt: not seeing any crashing in LO here....
[22:25] <sebuba> "The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version" = local-infile
[22:26] <bprompt> kristenbb:     delete all partitions, just to be safe
[22:26] <seronis> kristenbb: im too new to help but as (i think) i've seen you in here for 4 or 5 days you have my sympathy for all your problems and my respect for the tenacity to keep working on it
[22:26] <bprompt> ActionParsnip:    hmm, I have 3.0, works very well
[22:26] <kristenbb> seronis: yeah this is crazy, all I want is to install ubuntu, and look at all my troubles :(
[22:27] <lDromedario> ¿what is the best ubuntu version?
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> kristenbb: if you can, put your swap and /var and /home on a platter based storage
[22:27] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:27] <lDromedario> Now donwload Maverick
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> |dronedario: none and all
[22:27] <seronis> yeah i kinda feel guilty.. i switched from win7 to xubuntu 3 weeks ago and the whole process took under 30 minutes
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> |dromedario: maverick is no longer supported
[22:28] <iVito> Preise pangolin is
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> |dronedario: you will get zero updates and zero community support
[22:28] <bprompt> lDromedario:  I guess what ActionParsnip  meant was "no soup for you"   j/k
[22:29] <lDromedario> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/ ?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> |dronedario: you are clearly new to the OS, I suggest you use Precise. it is made to be solid and is LTS so supported til April 2017
[22:29] <lDromedario> Ok :S
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> |dromedario: installing maverick is like installing windows98. it will install but you wont get any support and no updates
[22:31] <tacomaster> lol alot has changed since maverick in a good way :D
[22:31] <bprompt> lDromedario:    why are you sticking with 10.10?   old hardware?
[22:31] <kristenbb> bprompt: ok so I am at the next step, where I can choose manual or auto. Just for reference, the choices are:  install ubuntu 13.04 alongside ubuntu 13.04, reinstall ubuntu 13.04, erase ubuntu 13.04 and reinstall, or "do something else".  Should I press do something else and proceed ?
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> |dromedario: if you dislike unity, install Xubuntu 12.04 and you will get the familiar 2 panel session as well as the long support
[22:31] <seronis> 'do something else' should let you manually choose your partitions
[22:31] <lDromedario> Then install Precise Pangolin?
[22:31] <bprompt> kristenbb:    "manual" :)
[22:31] <kristenbb> bprompt: ok so there I am
[22:32] <bprompt> kristenbb:    so, you see all partitions?
[22:32] <bprompt> lDromedario:    why are you sticking with 10.10?   old hardware?
[22:32] <lDromedario> No, but I like the interface at some point
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> |dromedario: i would yes. its probably more suited to your abilities
[22:33] <tacomaster> if you want the old interface look at a project called mate
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> |dromedario: it will also allow you to keep the install longer
[22:33] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:34] <bprompt> lDromedario:     gnome is not the only desktop manager, for say 12.04, and Unity isn't the only window manager either
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> bprompt: unity isnt a window manager
[22:34] <tacomaster> its a de
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> bprompt: compiz is the window manager and unity is a shell
[22:35] <bprompt> alright, so there, ok.... thought it was, but I can see ...
[22:35] <kristenbb> I can see my drives, no surprise there. /dev/sda (my hdd) is composed of: free space (1MB), /dev/sda1 (data), /dev/sda2 (data), /dev/sda3 (still data). then 30 GB free space. Then therre's sdb, composed of free space (1MB), then /dev/sdb1 (100MB) (efi !!!!), /dev/sdb2 (ext4-> ubuntu 13.04, around 230GB), /dev/sdb3 (18GB - probably swap, but it's not mentioned)
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> tacomaster: the DE is still gnone, unity does not replace gnome
[22:35] <kristenbb> bprompt: so what to do from here?
[22:35] <brainwash> compiz is a compositing manager
[22:35] <lDromedario> I  think you did not know that I'm Hispanic, and I am very slow to translate (lol)
[22:35] <bprompt> kristenbb:    delete all partitions in "sdb" or the ssd, so you'll only be left with "free space"
[22:36] <kristenbb> done
[22:37] <bprompt> kristenbb:    ok, now Create one, give it the size you want, and ... make it "root"
[22:37] <kristenbb> will I create another one for /home ?
[22:37] <th0r> kristenbb: are you installing the 64 bit ubuntu?
[22:37] <kristenbb> th0r: yes
[22:37] <bprompt> kristenbb:    in the Create window, is a pulldown-list there, you'd choose "root"
[22:37] <kristenbb> bprompt: but regarding the size I am to choose ?
[22:38] <tacomaster> kristenbb: depends on how you use your computer
[22:38] <bprompt> lDromedario:    anyway, try 12.04 as ActionParsnip said is LTS, and if you don't want Unity, or gnome, use another window or desktop manager then, there are several others DM and many WM
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> kristenbb: 15gb / ext4. 1xRAM swap. rest ext4 for /home
[22:38] <bprompt> lDromedario:    usually the "look" is handled by the window manager
[22:39] <sianhulo> is there a way to make use of the volume buttons of the samsung galaxy s3 headset?
[22:39] <kristenbb> ActionParsnip: ok.
[22:39] <bprompt> kristenbb:    is really up to you, you can use most of the hdd, or some amount, it just have to be >= 4gbs
[22:39] <kristenbb> there are a few options: type for the new partition (primary, logical), location for the new partition (beginning of this space, end of this space), use as: (drop down menu, now selected: ext4, mount point: /
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> sianhulo: if you run xev in terminal, do the buttons make events when you press them?
[22:39] <sebuba> Hello, anyone see this error on ubuntu ? "The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version"
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> kristenbb: if you are only installing ubuntu, make them all primary
[22:40] <sianhulo> ActionParsnip, no
[22:40] <az4z3l> sebuba: what are you doing to cause that error?
[22:41] <bprompt> kristenbb:     "primary", mount point "/" root, type "ext4"
[22:41] <kristenbb> so I will first choose ext4, /, primary, beginning, and 15GB.
[22:41] <kristenbb> then for the second partition, I will choose ext4, /home, primary, beginning, and the rest available.
[22:41] <kristenbb> and i'll actually choose no swap since I have 16GB of ram and probably don't need it.
[22:41] <kristenbb> does that sound good ?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> sianhulo: is it the usual 3.5mm audio jack?
[22:42] <bprompt> kristenbb:    not ... sure if you'd be able to bypass the swap, you should, can't recall if the installer allows no swap though
[22:42] <sianhulo> ActionParsnip, yeah, it is
[22:42] <kristenbb> bprompt: then I'll set swap in the 30GB I have available in the sda.
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> sianhulo: ive not seen those things work outside if the s3 itself as they are made for that phone etc
[22:43] <kristenbb> bprompt: may I hit next now ?
[22:43] <bprompt> kristenbb:  30gbs?   my swap is just 1gb, hehe
[22:43] <daftykins> kristenbb: no need for anything after the first partition to be primary
[22:43] <daftykins> i prefer to separate /boot also, but that might be overkill
[22:43] <bprompt> and I barely ever use it
[22:43] <mojtaba> th0r: I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:43] <sianhulo> ActionParsnip, well, the audio works great connected directly on my computer and connected to the speakers
[22:43] <DocNougat> anyone here that can help me with an ubuntu proble?
[22:43] <DocNougat> problem*
[22:43] <daftykins>  /boot, /, swap and /home (but yeah no swap as you said)
[22:43] <bprompt> kristenbb:    do you have a "/" and "swap"?
[22:44] <th0r> mojtaba: no experience with webdav at all, sorry
[22:44] <seronis> !ask | DocNougat
[22:44] <sebuba> az4z3l, a script php + load a file
[22:44] <kristenbb> daftykins: but it won't make it fail, will it ? I mean i'm sure you guys all have installed ubuntu 100 times, so you all have different opinions. My question is just, will the choice I have made be ok to run ubuntu, or will I get the same grub error I had beffore ?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> sianhulo: yes because the connectors for audio in the standard location
[22:44] <cn9hu3> !patience
[22:44] <kristenbb> bprompt: yes I have / and swap now.
[22:45] <bprompt> kristenbb:    ok, then next
[22:45] <kristenbb> bprompt: there's one last question
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> sianhulo: you would need to find or write drivers to translate the signals to xorg inputs
[22:45] <kristenbb> bprompt: in this very same step, there's also a drop box, and the question is: "device for boot loader installation"
[22:46] <kristenbb> I can choose /dev/sda, /dev/sda1,2,3, /dev/sdb,/dev/sdb1,2
[22:46] <sianhulo> ActionParsnip, I made a quick seacrh and didn't find anything, unless these are generic with something else I don't think I will be able to
[22:46] <daftykins> kristenbb: i've not seen the reason for your grub error nor the error itself but it sounds fine yeah
[22:46] <kristenbb> which one should I choose ?
[22:46] <bprompt> kristenbb:    see, we don't know what the "auto" process did, or what created, what was detected, what was skipped, so, but from the error, sounds like you were dealing with an old copy of Grub from some older installation, with older-nonexistent paths
[22:46] <kristenbb> bprompt: so I think this is an important decision here
[22:46] <DocNougat> When I try to load ubuntu on my computer the live cd appears to boot but the screen is screwed up. it looks like the pixels on every line are gigantic and severely misaligned to a totally unusable degree. I didn't have this issue in Linux Mint and I haven't been able to find much through google.
[22:46] <bprompt> kristenbb:    device for boot loader, boot loader is grub, so the device will be /dev/sdb
[22:47] <kristenbb> bprompt: I can choose amongst 6 possibilities.
[22:47] <kristenbb> I mean 7
[22:47] <az4z3l> sebuba: It is likely just what it sounds like: you are trying to do a command that is not in your version of MySQL. Updating MySQL to the latest version (5.6) may fix this. Or, it is possible that you are using a now deprecated command.
[22:47] <kristenbb> so I choose /dev/sdb ?
[22:47] <bprompt> kristenbb:  yes
[22:47] <kristenbb> so...
[22:48] <kristenbb> I hit next, I am presented with a warning, and the option to 'go back' or 'continue'
[22:48] <kristenbb> the title of this window is: go back to the menu and correct this problem.
[22:48] <bprompt> kristenbb:  warning?
[22:48] <kristenbb> the title of this window is: go back to the menu and correct this problem?
[22:48] <bprompt> hehe
[22:48] <kristenbb> the content is: (and it's pretty verbose)
[22:48] <bprompt> correct what though?
[22:49] <daftykins> probably world peace
[22:49] <mojtaba> Pricey: I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:49] <daftykins> go back and correct world peace
[22:50] <kristenbb> wait let me write, it's quite long ::)
[22:50]  * daftykins posts kristenbb a camera to take pics
[22:50] <daftykins> saving ones typing wrist
[22:50] <kristenbb> the partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. this partition should be marked for use as an 'EFI boot partition' and should be at least 35MB in size. Note that this is not the same partition as a partition mounted on /boot. If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible to i
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> DocNougat, Have you tried nomodeset option in the f6 menu at the first menu on the cd?
[22:51] <kristenbb> so... should I 'go back' or 'continue' ?
[22:52] <DocNougat> wilee-nilee, I tried that, I had to do the same on Mint to get it to work, it didn't help for ubuntu
[22:52] <daftykins> kristenbb: ah, sounds like your system booted Ubuntu in EFI mode. is this a modern laptop?
[22:52] <seronis> bprompt: is there a reason you suggested sdb over sda?  grub should just be on the same drive as '/' right ?  (i dont know which its on in this case)
[22:52] <kristenbb> daftykins: yes I guess
[22:53] <bprompt> seronis:    these are 2 different fixed disks
[22:53] <kristenbb> seronis: yes in my case sdb is the drive where the system is supposed to be installed
[22:53] <daftykins> kristenbb: sounds like you've got to nuke all the partitions and follow its' advice then - assuming you're sure you want to EFI install
[22:54] <daftykins> brainwash: sorry for the toe stepping, i shall stop if you're helping already
[22:54] <daftykins> oops bprompt ^^
[22:54] <daftykins> brainwash: sorry
[22:54] <brainwash> daftykins: :P
[22:54] <kristenbb> daftykins: i have no idea what you just said, i don't know what efi means. I think i've seen it ever since I tried to install it with full disk encryption. I'd like to remove efi now.
[22:55] <UltimaKR> Hi I am having a problem with my newly installed Lubuntu.  When I start the Chromium Web Browser and open a page, either immediately, after a few seconds, or upon opening a subsequent page, I will get one of two error messages: "He's dead, Jim!" or "Aw, snap!"  What is causing this problem?
[22:56] <bprompt> kristenbb:    do you have any other OSes around, in say "sda"?
[22:56] <kristenbb> bprompt: no
[22:56] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:56] <kristenbb> bprompt: sda is just data, 3 partitions of it.
[22:56] <bprompt> kristenbb:    then nevermind the EFI bit, and continue
[22:57] <meoblast001> okay, back to the problem i had to leave during
[22:57] <bprompt> on that note, I gtg :|
[22:57] <kristenbb> sda is a disk with 3TB so it required a GPT partioning (all disks over 2TB do, I think, at least for windows). sdb is gpt too, though I don't know why, and i'd like to remove it too if possible, along with that efi thing
[22:57] <kristenbb> :'(
[22:57] <meoblast001> http://dpaste.com/1195702/ i tried apt-get check after that, and it basically gave everything after the gawk depends line
[22:58] <Ben64> kristenbb: where are you trying to install ubuntu, and do you need to keep any data
[22:59] <kristenbb> Ben64: I'm trying to install ubuntu to sdb, and all I need to keep is sda.
[22:59] <Ben64> kristenbb: what size is sdb?
[23:00] <kristenbb> Ben64: around 250GB. and sda is 3TB
[23:00] <Ben64> kristenbb: then cant you just erase everything on sdb and install there easily?
[23:02] <seronis> UltimaKR: that (i think) just means the thread in charge of that tab crashed.  memory low or plugin problem on the page you were viewing maybe ?
[23:02] <kristenbb> sorry I got disconnected, did I miss anything since I last spoke ?
[23:02] <Ben64> kristenbb: then cant you just erase everything on sdb and install there easily?
[23:02] <kristenbb> Ben64: I really don't get these gpt,mbr, efi things, but no, I think that when you remove everything, these are left there, for whatever reason
[23:02] <UltimaKR> seronis: What would you consider low memory in Lubuntu?  It's an old PC that I put this OS on in order to try and get it running again.
[23:03] <Ben64> kristenbb: i'm not sure if the ubuntu installer will let you change from gpt to mbr
[23:03] <kristenbb> Ben64: but that's what I did right now, I removed all the existing partitions and did the install as instructed by various helpers in here.
[23:03] <UltimaKR> seronis: Also, what plugins do I need for that browser that don't come in the installation?  This error occurs on just about every page I visit.
[23:04] <seronis> UltimaKR: not sure. i only used chromium long enough to get chrome-beta installed
[23:04] <w33d> hello! Can anyone tell me how to reset my WLAN controller, it is currently set as wlan7, I want it at wlan0
[23:04] <daftykins> w33d: why does the name matter?
[23:04] <w33d> it keeps dropping out as a connection via Parallels (VM)
[23:04] <w33d> USB WiFi dongle connected
[23:05] <UltimaKR> seronis: What browser do you prefer then?  And yeah the RAM is 256 MB (it is that old), but is that too low considering that this is Lubuntu, not regular ubuntu?
[23:05] <w33d> I've got from one Macbook Pro, to another, and 'moved' the VM but having issues with it just dissapearing randomly
[23:06] <Guest91157> hello
[23:06] <kristenbb> so everyone, I installed 13.04 once again as instructed in here, and guess what, I still get: "error. no such partition. grub rescue>"
[23:06] <daftykins> w33d: the interface inside the VM? perhaps the MAC keeps changing
[23:07] <Guest91157> hello dina
[23:07] <seronis> UltimaKR: i'm new on linux.  xubuntu myself for 3 weeks but I also have 8gb ram and havent had any issues.  I just had one flash crash that gave me the 'dead jim' page
[23:07] <w33d> I think that has something to do with it
[23:07] <music> is chromium going to be the new ubuntu default browser?
[23:07] <w33d> when I moved the VM files, Parallels asked me if I 'copied' or 'moved' the VM because of something to do with Mac address' but I think that related to the bridged network adapter
[23:07] <seronis> UltimaKR: the lubuntu sys requirements page implies 256 should be functional and 512 worry free. so you sound like you're in limits
[23:08] <slacko18428> utlimakr: Look into the newer slacko version of puppy linux.  Using on an old pentium 3 craptop as we speak.
[23:08] <david_> Ultimakr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[23:08] <k1l> music: its in the discussion for the next releases. but im not sure if its already the decision
[23:08] <UltimaKR> seronis: Ah I understand.  If you couldn't tell these are my first couple of days on Linux.  What method did you use to install the Flash player?  Would you recommend buying another 256 MB stick then to make it 512? (This would cost me $1.50)
[23:08] <UltimaKR> david_: Yeah I checked that before installing and that's why I picked this version of Linux.
[23:08] <w33d> weirdly once it is connected to a network is seems ok, but if I leave it idle it just dissapears completely, still showing as connected in 'devices' list of parallels, but not able to resurrect a connection or even restore 'ifconfig wlan7 up'
[23:09] <seronis> UltimaKR:  i -always- max out the ram on any system i own =-)  its the cheapest upgrade you can do
[23:09] <david_> right, is it working?
[23:09] <w33d> is there a way to clear all previous wlan7 settings back to wlan0
[23:09] <Davinci622> hello
[23:09] <UltimaKR> slacko18428: How old is that computer? Seems like a good idea.
[23:09] <daftykins> kristenbb: i'm tempted to get involved but i also wonder if letting bprompt continue when he's next back might be a better idea
[23:10] <kristenbb> daftykins: i think he's gone so please help if you think you can
[23:10] <Ben64> kristenbb: you're probably not creating the gpt partition required for booting. i'd recommend starting the livecd, getting to gparted and changing sdb to mbr then reinstall that way
[23:10] <UltimaKR> seronis: My max is most likely 1 GB, but those sticks (or a pair of 512 MBs) are more rare and therefore more expensive so if 512 MB will be enough then I can buy that extremely cheap stick of ebay lol.
[23:10] <seronis> UltimaKR: also in xubuntu there is a checkbox for  'restricted-extras' package so it was installed from the go
[23:10] <seronis> but you can install that package yourself with apt-get
[23:10] <kristenbb> ben64: okay, can you please help me to do that ?
[23:11] <seronis> err is it  'ubuntu-restricted-extras'  ?
[23:11] <Ben64> kristenbb: let me know when you've got gparted open
[23:11] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[23:11] <seronis> UltimaKR:  well 'maxed' as is convenient then =-)
[23:11] <kristenbb> ben64: it is open right now, way ahead of you :d
[23:11] <Ben64> ooh
[23:11] <UltimaKR> seronis: I see.  I think mine is more barebones than that in order to keep HDD space and system requirements to a minimum so it doesnt have that package you mentioned.
[23:12] <bean> UltimaKR, my hand compiled LinuxFromScratch (non ubuntu distro you build yourself) uses 17mb of ram with nothing else running, pretty awesome.
[23:12] <kristenbb> Ben64: so I guess I should select sdb, and what then ?
[23:12] <seronis> UltimaKR: probably.  the times i tried ubuntu/kubuntu in the past i always had to install it myself
[23:12] <Ben64> kristenbb: device -> create partition table
[23:12] <kristenbb> Ben64: ok
[23:13] <kristenbb> Ben64: then there's a drop down menu, should I select msdos?
[23:13] <Ben64> kristenbb: it should have gpt and msdos and maybe some others
[23:13] <Ben64> kristenbb: yeah msdos
[23:13] <slacko18428> dinosaurs built it from stone.  Think I have 512mb of ram.  Not a big fan of puppy generally but its kicking butt on this old system
[23:13] <kristenbb> Ben64: okay, so this will replace gpt with mbr, right ?
[23:13] <Ben64> kristenbb: yep
[23:13] <kristenbb> Ben64: what about efi ?
[23:13] <seronis> bean: does the self compiling everything really drop the resource requirements THAT much ?
[23:13] <Ben64> kristenbb: thats not something that is on a drive, its a motherboard thing
[23:14] <bean> seronis, no, but i literally have an ssh daemon, vim, ruby, and zshell.
[23:14] <UltimaKR> seronis: Did you pick the YUM, .rpm, or .tar.gz method of installing it? Not sure which is the right one to choose for my system.
[23:14] <bean> rather than a bunch of daemons
[23:14] <kristenbb> Ben64: is efi and uefi the same thing ?
[23:14] <seronis> UltimaKR: apt-get
[23:14] <seronis> UltimaKR:  no manual download
[23:14] <Ben64> kristenbb: pretty much
[23:14] <seronis> UltimaKR: and ubuntu would use  *.deb files if you are downloading from a webpage =-)
[23:15] <UltimaKR> seronis: So I can just put that in the "Run" box and it will help me?
[23:15] <seronis> UltimaKR: do you know how to open a terminal ?
[23:15] <daftykins> kristenbb: out of interest what kind of computer is this? got a make/model?
[23:15] <UltimaKR> seronis: Actually I am just reading the options Adobe gives me on this page http://get2.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
[23:15] <kristenbb> Ben64: the way the ubuntu installer talked about it, it said that efi was an option during installation, and that it allowed to set up snapshots and such, so during one of the installations I tried it. If it's a motherrboard option, why would the installer be able to temper with it ?
[23:15] <UltimaKR> seronis: Not really I am literally brand new (a few hours with this maybe?)
[23:15] <Ben64> kristenbb: you must have it on your motherboard
[23:15] <kristenbb> daftykins: it's a home made computer, I bought the pieces and assembled it together.
[23:16] <daftykins> ah ok
[23:16] <seronis> UltimaKR: in your app menu there should be something you can run labeled as a 'Terminal' or  'Console'
[23:16] <Davinci622> quit
[23:16] <seronis> its the DOS looking window
[23:16] <kristenbb> Ben64: ok, so now, I should just restart and reinstall, right ?
[23:16] <seronis> on xubuntu you can use the key shortcut  WIN+T  to launch a terminal window
[23:17] <Ben64> kristenbb: yep
[23:17] <kristenbb> Ben64: ok, let's go for the 7th installation in 5 days, and counting.
[23:17] <Ben64> kristenbb: maybe disable efi in the bios
[23:17] <seronis> kristenbb: lucky number?  (good luck)
[23:17] <Ben64> kristenbb: it can cause problems
[23:17] <seronis> UltimaKR: did you get a terminal window open ?
[23:18] <kristenbb> Ben64: that will be for the 8th ;)
[23:18] <UltimaKR> seronis: Looking for it now...not sure what app menu you are talking about.
[23:18] <mi7> oij
[23:18] <mojtaba> does anybody know how can I scroll when in ubuntu server?
[23:18] <kristenbb> Ben64: no actually it's just that I have no idea how to do that.
[23:18] <kristenbb> Ben64: so should I use manual or automatic installation ?
[23:18] <seronis> UltimaKR: not sure what app menu Lubuntu even has.  but whatever its version of the 'start menu' is
[23:18] <kingtut1> kristenbb: sure
[23:19] <kristenbb> kingtut1: come again?
[23:19] <kingtut1> Serano: okay
[23:19] <UltimaKR> seronis: Yeah I am looking in the start menu but don't see anything under any of the labels for "Terminal" or "Console"...the only thing even remotely close is "Run"
[23:19] <seronis> press     win+T
[23:19] <seronis> does that open a console window ?
[23:20] <UltimaKR> seronis: Do you mean the windows key with the microsoft symbol?
[23:20] <Ben64> kristenbb: i would just do automatic on sdb at this point, the whole drive is wiped
[23:20] <UltimaKR> seronis: If so then nothing happens.
[23:20] <kingtut1> Serano: i have problem behind keyboard
[23:20] <kristenbb> Ben64: ok.
[23:20] <kingtut1> UltimaKR: try the aint key
[23:21] <seronis> UltimaKR:  ctrl alt T
[23:21] <seronis> google tells me that works in lubuntu
[23:21] <UltimaKR> seronis: That worked...it opened something that looks like "Cmd" in Windows.
[23:21] <seronis> yup.  thats your terminal window
[23:22] <seronis> UltimaKR:  now type
[23:22] <seronis> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:22] <seronis> that will give you the standard web media codecs and flash
[23:22] <kingtut1> seronis: help
[23:23] <seronis> !ask | kingtut1
[23:23] <kristenbb> seronis: I think kingtut1 is just trolling
[23:24] <UltimaKR> seronis: It's installing something so I assume that's it. Thanks a bunch!
[23:24] <seronis> kristenbb: likely.  but in 3 weeks i've also just seen a lot of non native english speakers
[23:24] <UltimaKR> seronis: Where did you find/learn these commands?
[23:25] <seronis> UltimaKR: here and google.   3 weeks of playing around since i switched to xubuntu and about 20 times in the past 6 years of trying ubuntu randomly here and there
[23:25] <chvx> what is the diffrences of  dhcpcd vs netctl?
[23:25] <UltimaKR> seronis: Ok thanks..will be back if I inevitably get stuck again lol.
[23:25] <seronis> UltimaKR: the restricted-extras has a diff package name depending on which specific ubuntu distro you use but its easily googlable once you know one of them
[23:27] <seronis> kristenbb: or.. you are right =-)  right after i said that he pm'd  "you stupid bastard" so i guess his english is good enough and he's just a troll
[23:28] <kristenbb> seronis: when he mentioned hitting the 'aint' key, that was fairly obvious
[23:28] <mojtaba> I used fusedav to mount webdav, but I got this error message: "PROPFIND failed: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer" Does anybody know what should I do?
[23:29] <seronis> "Why blame on malice what is perfectly explainable by stupidity and ignorance"  =-)
[23:29] <seronis> i try to give the benifit of the doubt
[23:30] <designbybeck__> I'm about to boot into a new ASUS S500CA laptop that has a 24GB SSD and a 500GB HDD.... how should I set Ubuntu 13.04 up on that?
[23:31] <i3luefire> i need to fix my grub from the live cd
[23:32] <designbybeck__> Do I make th 24GB the "/" point? and then the 500GB is the /home?
[23:33] <slaptman> hello does anyone know if there is a way to install cheat engine (used for flashgames:Nothing illegal)
[23:33] <kristenbb> Ben64: so... after the 7th install
[23:33] <kristenbb> I get, guess what
[23:34] <kristenbb> error: no such partition. grub rescue>
[23:34] <daftykins> kristenbb: are you installing beside Windows 7 or some such?
[23:34] <kristenbb> daftykins: no, just ubuntu
[23:35] <daftykins> kristenbb: i'd check your BIOS for options to enable legacy boot and disable EFI - what brand motherboard did you get? you could just boot from the smaller drive and have the 3TB as storage alone
[23:35] <daftykins> no need for EFI that way
[23:36] <kristenbb> daftykins: how to do that ?
[23:37] <daftykins> kristenbb: are you familiar with entering the BIOS?
[23:37] <kristenbb> not much
[23:37] <Noskcaj> i'm trying to install testdrive from source, what do i do?
[23:37] <poopdick> Hello, fellow users.
[23:38] <kristenbb> I'm there though, I just don't know what to look for
[23:38] <daftykins> kristenbb: ah, probably under Boot
[23:39] <daftykins> kristenbb: y'got the make and model of motherboard to hand? i expect it will have one of those fancy modern EFI ones that you can use the mouse in
[23:40] <kristenbb> yes i can use the mouse
[23:40] <kristenbb> but it doesn't help to know where to click on
[23:40] <Ben64> kristenbb: are you sure you're booting from sdb
[23:40] <kristenbb> Ben64: yes i'm sure, I can hit F8 and choose which device to boot from.
[23:40] <Ben64> did you install grub to sdb
[23:41] <seronis> slacker_nl:  full 'cheat engine' features is hard to do with the way linux handles security.  but for just flash games there are firefox plugins available
[23:41] <seronis> 'tamper' something.  should be easy to google for
[23:41] <kristenbb> ben64: well how would I know, you asked me to go with the 'auto' mode, so i wasn't asked this question, but in any case, i tried to boot from sda too, and it doesn't work either
[23:42] <Ben64> yeah i would disable efi, it seems created to make linux harder to boot
[23:43] <kristenbb> Ben64: so how to ?
[23:43] <kristenbb> there is a tab called main, ai tweaker, advanced, monitor, boot, tool
[23:43] <kristenbb> i went to 'boot'
[23:43] <kristenbb> then there are various options
[23:43] <seronis> slacker_nl: stand corrected.  guess there is a tool called 'scanmem' that you should be able to install from apt-get that is similar
[23:43] <kristenbb> one of which is pci rom priority
[23:43] <kristenbb> could this be it ?
[23:43] <daftykins> kristenbb: something legacy/EFI related
[23:44] <daftykins> is what you want
[23:44] <Ben64> seronis: he's gone and you're pinging the wrong person
[23:44]  * seronis facedesks
[23:44] <kristenbb> the dropdown list for this option is: legacy rom, efi compatible rom
[23:44] <kristenbb> legacy rom was selected
[23:45] <Ben64> thats for RAID
[23:45] <kristenbb> was this the option I was looking for, or should i be looking for something else ?
[23:45] <kristenbb> okay
[23:45] <kristenbb> so then there's 'option rom messages'
[23:45] <daftykins> something else
[23:45] <kristenbb> and there's two possibilities: keep current, or force bios
[23:46] <kristenbb> there's also setup mode
[23:46] <kristenbb> easy mode, or advanced
[23:46] <daftykins> kristenbb: i was really hoping you might've been able to answer the motherboard make+model question so i could try and look up what options it shows you online
[23:46] <daftykins> so i could better advise
[23:46] <kristenbb> daftykins: sorry
[23:46] <daftykins> do you have any idea, or?
[23:46] <kristenbb> daftykins: it's a asus deluxe something
[23:46] <kristenbb> let me check
[23:47] <daftykins> so am i right in thinking both those hard disks are blank?
[23:47] <daftykins> or at least, contain no important data?
[23:47] <seronis> one has LOTS of data and no OS
[23:47] <seronis> (she implied earlier)
[23:47] <kristenbb> daftykins: yes seronis is right
[23:48] <kristenbb> daftykins: one is 3TB, the other is meant for the system.
[23:48] <i3luefire> so doing an install of xubuntu "alongside" ubuntu server isnt going to delete anything right. it was the default selection for the installer. alongside ubuntu
[23:49] <i3luefire> sounded safe
[23:49] <daftykins> seronis: i'm sure a lot was said earlier, but i can't scroll back to read it ALL :D
[23:49] <Ben64> i3luefire: probably, but why dual boot ubuntus?
[23:49] <seronis> yup.  was just trying to save time since i saw it =-)
[23:49] <seronis> a LOT was said before you came in
[23:49] <seronis> and im not skilled enough to help
[23:50] <daftykins> kristenbb: personally, if i were you, i'd have the other disconnected and just focus on installing to one-attached disk, you could add the other later
[23:50] <kristenbb> daftykins: asus p9X79 deluxe
[23:50] <chilicuil> !man ls
[23:51] <i3luefire> Ben64, because i just need grub to work and am tired of trying to get it to work the right way so...
[23:51] <i3luefire> ill be back if it didnt work. rebooting now
[23:52] <daftykins> kristenbb: mmm asus, my fave
[23:52] <kristenbb> daftykins: I don't really have easy access to the drives right now.
[23:52] <kristenbb> daftykins: does that mean you know how to disable efi ?
[23:52] <Ben64> ?? open case, unplug drive
[23:52] <daftykins> well no, but i can look it up now
[23:52] <daftykins> yeah do as Ben64 said, or save it for another day, whatever works
[23:52] <daftykins> when installation problems happen, it's best to reduce to the simplest possible configuration
[23:53] <daftykins> especially on a custom build
[23:53] <daftykins> especially x 2 if it's not had a working OS on it at all so far
[23:53] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoPMjhxDO7o
[23:53] <daftykins> looks like a vid of someones
[23:54] <Ben64> "When a non-UEFI device is moved to the top of the boot device sequence, the system will boot in legacy BIOS mode instead of UEFI mode."
[23:54] <kristenbb> Ben64: i'm a girl I don't like to go into these wire things, I stop at the software level, I think i've complied to pretty much everything else you asked
[23:54] <Ben64> sounds like the problem is that sda is at the top and is gpt so the system tries to do uefi
[23:54] <Ben64> kristenbb: but you built a computer?
[23:54] <deniz> hi everyone :)
[23:55] <kristenbb> Ben64: well i was kindly asked to choose the components, but someone else made it for me, and he's not here right now, so i wouldn't want to mess what he's done.
[23:56] <daftykins> kristenbb: fair enough. you see on the 'Boot' page it has your two disks listed at the bottom?
[23:56] <deniz> somebody can help me? how can i solved nvidia optimus technologie driver install to ubuntu?
[23:56] <daftykins> kristenbb: beneath 'Boot Override'
[23:56] <designbybeck__> I had to turn off secure boot, But now I am at the LiveBoot desktop... I have 5!! Disk /devices showing: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=51920
[23:56] <kristenbb> kristenbb: there is a total of 5 items beneath boot override
[23:56] <daftykins> Ben64: where'd you get that statement? Asus manual?
[23:57] <kristenbb> daftykins: ^
[23:57] <Ben64> daftykins: yep
[23:57] <daftykins> kristenbb: 2 HDDs, DVD drive, more...?
[23:57] <kristenbb> daftykins: one is 'windows boot manager', I have no idea what this is
[23:57] <daftykins> sounds like Windows is/was installed on one of those hard disks
[23:57] <daftykins> is that correct?
[23:57] <kristenbb> daftykins: the second is my dvd drive, listed as P3: <dvd drive name>
[23:58] <kristenbb> the third is my sda
[23:58] <kristenbb> the fourth is my sdb
[23:58] <designbybeck__> screenshot of Gparted and the 24GB SDD: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=51921
[23:58] <kristenbb> and the fifth is yet my dvd drive (though I have only one), listed as UEFI: <dvd drive name>
[23:59] <kristenbb> daftykins: yes at some point windows was installed, but a long time ago
[23:59] <designbybeck__> Is it safe just to format all those drives, the 24GB SDD and the 500GB and start the Ubuntu install?.... I've never worked with  a setup like this before
[23:59] <daftykins> kristenbb: yeah, two listings - one for legacy boot, one for EFI boot
[23:59] <kristenbb> daftykins: so what am I to do with this listing ?
[23:59] <daftykins> kristenbb: which of sda and sdb are which size drives? and can you remind me again which of these has data and which ubuntu and GRUB have been installed to?


[02:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:40] <oerheks> leftyfb, what do you call it when an envelope arrives empty ?
[06:40] <oerheks> Air Mail 🤣
[22:57] <oerheks> ubottu ran out of cookies, refill please
[22:58] <sarnold> :(
[22:58] <jeremy31> No free refills
[23:00] <leftyfb> I got the last one, sorry :)
[23:01] <jeremy31> The cookies are probably stale


[02:39] <aardmark> is this the right place to look for troubleshooting support for dovecot / postfix ?
[02:39] <sarnold> not wrong, anyway :)
[02:40] <aardmark> hah, fair enough. :) .. I'm getting errors trying to retrieve mail
[02:40] <aardmark> May 15 22:35:13 fountain dovecot: imap(aardmark): Error: user aardmark: Initialization failed: mail_location not set and autodetection failed: Mail storage autodetection failed with home=/home/aardmark/
[02:40] <aardmark> May 15 22:35:13 fountain dovecot: imap(aardmark): Error: Invalid user settings. Refer to server log for more information.
[02:42] <aardmark> so I set up dovecot on my server, and am trying to get mail using my iphone
[02:42] <sarnold> aardmark: is it looking for a ~/Mail/?
[02:42] <aardmark> sarnold: I would think it was, but the errors aren't saying that specifically … my 10-mail.conf file is configured with the line:
[02:43] <aardmark> mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
[02:43] <aardmark> sarnold: so I would have thought that would do it … and both of those paths do exist for my user
[02:57] <aardmark> no thoughts on this?
[03:08] <aardmark> can anyone help with some dovecot troubleshooting?
[12:45] <atuvenie> Hey, can someone help me with a little problem. I have ubuntu server 14.04.2 and for some reason it is ignoring my static ip setting in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:46] <atuvenie> but for some reason after a minute or so it is still making requests to dhcp server
[14:27] <teward> rbasak: ping if you're around, otherwise disregard
[15:24] <Walex> atuvenie: that's rather vague...
[15:25] <Walex> atuvenie: however if you are the impression that defining entries in '/etc/network/interfaces' automatically disables DHCp that's bit optimistic
[17:03] <strikov> smoser: hey, around?
[19:06] <aardmark> my postfix configuration doesn't seem to be allowing emails to come in that are addressed to me… can someone help me with troubleshooting?
[19:10] <jak2000>  hi friends why can do an apt-get update ? here more info: http://pastie.org/10192155  thanks
[19:11] <aardmark> jak2000: does a "sudo apt-get upgrade" work?
[19:12] <aardmark> jak2000: the errors you're getting seem to be connectivity issues. are you sure the machine you're on has full access to the internet, etc?
[19:21] <jak2000> yes i am connected
[19:23] <shauno> I Believe they're genuine 404s.  Saucy (13.10) was EOL'd in July 2014, so it's been rotated off the main mirrors (else the mirrors get way too big to politely expect anyone to mirror)
[19:25] <jak2000> aardmark: http://pastie.org/10192370  need install the essentials libs?
[19:26] <shauno> the short-term fix is to point your source.list at old-releases.ubuntu.com rather than archive.ubuntu.com.  long-term, the good news is 13.10 to 14.04 is an easy upgrade, and 14.04 is an LTS, so you're "back on track"
[19:27] <jak2000> shauno for me?
[19:27] <shauno> sorry, yes
[19:27] <shauno> you appear to be using saucy, which is end-of-life nearly a year ago, per http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/07/17/ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander-end-of-life-reached-on-july-17-2014/
[19:28] <jak2000> how to know the version of my ubuntu?
[19:29] <ObrienDave> jak2000, in terminal, cat /etc/issue
[19:29] <shauno> well, I took a guess based on 'saucy' appearing in every error in your paste :)
[19:29] <jak2000> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[19:32] <jak2000> shauno then cant upgrade my ubuntu?
[19:33] <shauno> just updating the packages within 13.10, you'd need to use the other repository  (old-releases.ubuntu.com, you're currently using archive.ubuntu.com)
[19:34] <shauno> or you can upgrade the whole thing to 14.04 which is supported to 2019 (on -server)
[19:34] <jak2000> is possible do remotely?
[19:34] <jak2000> if yes, with putty? wich is the command?
[19:35] <shauno> it should be but I'd bow out to someone with a bit more experience there, I tend to just roll out a new VM personally
[19:59] <dasjoe> jak2000: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[20:00] <dasjoe> jak2000: so, in short: replace "archive.ubuntu.com" with "old-releases.ubuntu.com" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then run "apt-get update", then "apt-get dist-upgrade", then "do-release-upgrade"
[20:04] <jak2000> dasjoe: http://pastie.org/10192436
[20:04] <jak2000> its ok?
[20:05] <dasjoe> jak2000: change security.ubuntu.com, too
[20:06] <dasjoe> jak2000: you're good to go, then. Good luck, and as always: have a reliable backup handy
[20:07] <jak2000> arghh not work apt-get
[20:07] <jak2000> ok better i try reinstall
[20:07] <dasjoe> "apt-get update"
[20:08] <jak2000> W: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'partner/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[20:08] <jak2000> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[22:13] <RoyK> !ask
[22:19] <devster31> hi, what can I use to mount a remote folder? I know about smb and nfs, and I use them on a local network, but I'm not aware of any similar solution to get a secure mount over the web


[16:50] <Raqbit> Hey! Wanting to install Ubuntu budgie on a new laptop. The download page lists "UEFI PCs booting in CSM mode". Does that mean UEFI is not actually supported? I want to have a clean bootup sequence, and I've had some devices get cleaner results in UEFI mode.
[17:07] <lafleurdubien> Hi everyone! Been loving Ubuntu Budgie 17.04 so much since its release and I can't wait for 17.10!
[17:07] <lafleurdubien> In the meantime, I've recently been having a very irritating issue with the wifi/network manager where my connection drops every 1-30 minutes
[17:09] <lafleurdubien> Sometimes its so bad the only way to reconnect is to manually stop and restart network manager. And even that only fixes it for a few minutes before it drops again. I'm hoping its fixed with the new version of network manager in 17.10, but I can't install that on 17.04. Any ideas what to do?
[18:03] <fossfreedom> lafleurdubien, possibly that might be the mac address problem in 17.04 - comment #1 here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1681513
[18:08] <lafleurdubien> fossfreedom: thank you, my friend! much appreciated!


[00:00] <Peng> beuno: bzr-search_integration + bzr.dev are working. :)
[00:00] <beuno> Peng, yay!
[00:01] <beuno> now, really off to bed
[00:01] <beuno> g'night
[00:01] <Peng> beuno: (Well, trunk + bzr-search_integration + my serve-branches.py changes.)
[00:01] <Peng> beuno: G'night. :)
[00:02] <james_w> [cliff]: you can merge it with "bzr merge /path/to/bundle", is that what you did?
[00:02] <LaserJock> Peng: hmm, are there any suggestions for good ways to keep branches out of the way?
[00:02] <[cliff]> james_w, not an absolute path, no. let me try that
[00:02] <LaserJock> bzr tends to make me not want to branch much
[00:02] <james_w> [cliff]: relative will work as well.
[00:03] <[cliff]> james_w, right... same result
[00:03] <Peng> LaserJock: No, I'm just crushed under a pile of separate branches. Sorry.
[00:03]  * Peng wanders off.
[00:03] <[cliff]> the NotBranchError doesn't appear to be used a lot. I was trying to figure out if there is a way of tracing it
[00:04] <james_w> [cliff]: see "bzr help debug-flags" for one thing that can help. There's also plenty of information in ~/.bzr.log
[00:04] <james_w> LaserJock: you can simulate it with one checkout and switch
[00:04] <james_w> LaserJock: there is loom, which is like quilt
[00:04] <[cliff]> james_w, says no help could be found for debug-flags... maybe I'm missing a package
[00:05] <LaserJock> james_w: hmm, I'll have a look at those
[00:05] <james_w> LaserJock: and it's possible that a plugin for multiple branches in a dir will turn up next week
[00:05] <LaserJock> I just feel like I'm losing the power of a DVCS if I'm not doing any branching
[00:05] <james_w> [cliff]: sounds like you have an old bzr, which would explain the error. What version are you using?
[00:05] <[cliff]> but .bzr.log does the trick! nice one. checking it out
[00:06] <[cliff]> james_w, 1.3.1, ubuntu's standard I think
[00:06] <james_w> [cliff]: I'd check with --version
[00:06] <[cliff]> james_w, right, 1.3.1
[00:07] <james_w> [cliff]: ah, sorry, "bzr help global-options" has a debugging flags section.
[00:07] <[cliff]> just out of curiosity, how do you manage to output those nice traces?
[00:07] <james_w> the traceback module
[00:07] <[cliff]> nice one, cheers
[00:08] <[cliff]> it appears the error is raised on "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/bzrdir.py", line 1426, in find_format
[00:08] <james_w> traceback.format_exc() will print the last one, there are other functions for being more specific
[00:09] <james_w> [cliff]: can you pastebin the relevant stanza from ~/.bzr.log please, I'll see if I can spot anything
[00:09] <[cliff]> certainly
[00:10] <[cliff]> james_w, http://pastebin.com/d65b306ce
[00:10] <james_w> ah, I meant the whole section, but the traceback is a start, let me look
[00:12] <james_w> hmm, it does know that it is a bundle apparently
[00:13] <[cliff]> I've updated the pastebin
[00:16] <james_w> [cliff]: ah, got it I think, can you read the top of the bundle and see what submit_branch is?
[00:16] <[cliff]> none, I only have a target_branch
[00:17] <james_w> is that a URL?
[00:17] <[cliff]> nope, a relative path
[00:17] <[cliff]> that doesn't exist on my filesystem
[00:17] <james_w> ah yeah, target branch
[00:17] <[cliff]> don't know if it's relevant but I managed to successfully merge another bundle on a different branch
[00:17] <james_w> I was reading it wrong
[00:18] <james_w> yeah, the bundle has been created wrong
[00:18] <james_w> if you could ask the person that sent it to tell you how they created it it would be useful
[00:18] <james_w> this should probably be caught
[00:19] <[cliff]> how should we do it? I'm going to smack the other guy on the head hehe
[00:19] <[cliff]> I can ask him, but not now, he's off for the weekend
[00:19] <james_w> so, a merge directive has a submit branch, which is the branch that you intend it to be merged in to.
[00:19] <[cliff]> I'll try to reach him still
[00:20] <james_w> ah, I see something else as well
[00:21] <james_w> you can specify this as the first argument to "bzr send"
[00:21] <[cliff]> james_w, hmmmm although I understand (or at least I think so :-) ) how come the target_branch can't be ignored when merging the bundle to the current workbranch?
[00:21] <james_w> if you don't then it uses the branch's parent
[00:22] <[cliff]> so for example the submit branch should be .
[00:22] <[cliff]> ?
[00:22] <james_w> it stores the branch location in the merge directive as you saw, but if the target branch has a "public_url" set then that will stored instead.
[00:23] <james_w> running "bzr send" creates a bundle (the base64 encoded bit at the bottom) that has all of the revisions that are in your current branch, and not in the submit branch.
[00:23] <james_w> so "." is pretty much always wrong, as this will be the empty set, which isn't what you wnat
[00:24] <james_w> he should have a mirror of your branch (or just use the location of it if it is public) and point to that
[00:24] <james_w> now, I see this in the code:
[00:24] <james_w>                 except errors.RevisionNotPresent:
[00:24] <james_w>                     # At least one dependency isn't present.  Try installing
[00:24] <james_w>                     # missing revisions from the submit branch
[00:24] <james_w>                     submit_branch = _mod_branch.Branch.open(self.target_branch)
[00:25] <james_w> which is where it fails
[00:25] <[cliff]> I see. let me shed some light on this matter. the way we're working is like this: a master-branch is stored on a server and all devs have a local branch off it. when someone wants to work on something, they branch their copy of the master-branch into a new branch
[00:25] <[cliff]> so the way the dev created the bundle was by bundling the differences between his work branch and his local copy of the master-branch
[00:25] <[cliff]> so the target_branch reflects his own fs directory layout
[00:26] <james_w> yep, that should work correctly.
[00:26] <james_w> you should set "public_url" on the local copy to be the url of the master branch.
[00:26] <james_w> is your copy of the branch out of date compared to master?
[00:26] <[cliff]> hehe which one? :-) the local or the remote?
[00:26] <[cliff]> yup
[00:27] <james_w> ok, so what should happen here is that it would fetch these missing revisions from the master branch, but as the location of that was set to a local path in the merge directive it cant get to it
[00:28] <[cliff]> hhhhmmmmmm
[00:29] <james_w> I'm working up an example
[00:29] <[cliff]> got the guy out of the bed :-) I've asked his revno of the master
[00:30] <james_w> heh
[00:30] <james_w> unfortunately I can't find documentation on public_url
[00:31] <james_w> so, if you have http://server/master
[00:31] <james_w> and a local ~/dev/master
[00:31] <james_w> and your feature branch to submit ~/dev/feature
[00:31] <[cliff]> james_w, that's it. my master is at a different revno of this master
[00:31] <[cliff]> james_w, that's it. my master is at a different revno of his master
[00:32] <james_w> and you set "public_url = http://server/master" in ~/.bazaar/locations.conf for ~/dev/master
[00:33] <james_w> then "bzr send ~/dev/master" should do the right thing from ~/dev/feature
[00:33] <james_w> and if the parent of the feature branch is master then "bzr send" should work
[00:34] <james_w> [cliff]: does that match your set up?
[00:34] <[cliff]> we don't set the public_url actually
[00:34] <james_w> yeah, that's why I think this fell over.
[00:35] <james_w> I'm going to see if I can write a test for this so that we can provide a better error
[00:37] <[cliff]> hmmmm maybe insert a note in the documentation, that should be sufficient (and easier to do I think)
[00:37] <[cliff]> I reckon the bundle parts of the documentation could use some love
[00:38] <james_w> yeah, it does seem to confuse people sometimes.
[00:38] <james_w> it works really well when it works
[00:38] <james_w> We can spot this problem quite easily I think, so providing an informative error would be good, even with improved documentation
[00:39] <[cliff]> true
[00:39] <james_w> I think I see a similar problem just below as well, so we can catch that as well.
[00:41] <[cliff]> he sent me a proper bundle now (branched off the same revno I have and created the bundle based on that). I'm checking out, it's close to 1am :-) thanks a lot for your help james_w
[01:03] <chandlerc[g]> jelmer: you about? i'm hitting weird errors with bzr-svn
[01:08] <chandlerc[g]> jelmer: http://pastebin.com/d1e4f1b42
[01:08] <chandlerc[g]> happy to help any way I can w/ debugging.
[01:16] <james_w> chandlerc[g]: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/246635
[01:17] <chandlerc[g]> james_w: yep, that explains the first one. thanks, i'll add myself to the CC of that one
[01:19] <chandlerc[g]> still no clue about the second one...
[01:19] <chandlerc[g]> its just a segfault, w/o any traceback or anything
[01:19] <chandlerc[g]> maybe i'll try and to a gdb on it
[01:24] <chandlerc[g]> jelmer: I did some gdb poking: http://pastebin.com/d6e9e66cf  I'll rebuild ra.so with debugging symbols tonight, and let you know what I find.
[06:59] <lifeless> jelmer: Bug 247787
[10:32]  * ToyKeeper hopes his vis changes get approved and merged
[10:40] <beuno> ToyKeeper, approved  :)
[10:40] <beuno> now you just need jelmer to pitch in
[10:41] <ToyKeeper> I'm just sending a summary + merge directive, to make things clearer.
[10:42] <ToyKeeper> I'm not too familiar with bundle buggy.  Does it take the first merge directive in a thread, or the last?
[10:42] <beuno> ToyKeeper, always the latest one
[10:43] <beuno> each time you send a new one, it overrides the previous one
[10:43] <ToyKeeper> Okay, good.
[10:43] <beuno> ToyKeeper<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:44] <ToyKeeper> I had the wrong public branch the first time too, thinking it was supposed to be my public branch, not trunk.
[10:44] <ToyKeeper> Jasper's message in the olive bookmarks thread cleared that up for me.
[10:45] <beuno> ToyKeeper, patch looks great, really, thanks for working on it
[10:46] <beuno> ah, we have 2 bundlebuggys now
[10:46] <beuno> jelmer, which are we using?
[10:53] <ToyKeeper> I feel dirty about building labels in an unrolled loop, but didn't see an obviously better approach.
[10:54] <ToyKeeper> Anyway, vis, gci, and mdiff (diff with meld) are the only GUI bits I really use.
[10:54] <ToyKeeper> Hmm, maybe gblame, once in a while.
[10:56]  * beuno is trying to pack before check-out time
[10:58] <apol> where can I find the bzr python api?
[10:58] <apol> i've been looking for it for a while and I can't find it
[11:00] <beuno> apol, you mean, documentation for it?
[11:00] <beuno> http://starship.python.net/crew/mwh/bzrlibapi/
[11:00] <apol> beuno: yes, yesterday i found a page that showed how to add files, remove files and so using python
[11:01] <beuno> apol, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/developers/integration.html
[11:01] <apol> (i'm a the kdev+bzr test thingie)
[11:01] <apol> yes that's what I meant
[11:01] <apol> thanks a lot
[11:01] <beuno> apol, ah, Aleix, yes, hi!
[11:02] <apol> ;)
[11:02] <beuno> how's that going?
[11:02] <apol> I should be able to have something working today
[11:02] <beuno> oh, yay!
[11:02] <beuno> please send to the list
[11:02] <beuno> everybody loves screenshots
[11:02] <apol> still working on the multilanguage plugin integration though
[11:03] <apol> beuno: I'll consider that ;)
[11:05] <beuno> apol, and, also, bzr-gtk may be a good place to find out how to get some things from bzr
[11:06] <apol> beuno: nice, I'll get it then...
[11:08] <beuno> alright, I'm off to a 16 hour flight
[11:09] <beuno> apol, I look forward to your screenshots  ;)
[11:34] <Stavros> hello
[11:35] <Stavros> how can i have bzr run pylint on files and aborting the commit if the score is too low?
[11:36] <awilkins> Pre-commit hook?
[11:36] <Stavros> awilkins: this is interesting
[11:36] <Stavros> is there anything ready-made?
[11:40] <awilkins> I don't know. You know, the docs don't even make it clear if hooks can abort steps.
[11:40] <awilkins> But you can probably get them to stop by throwing an error...
[11:41] <james_w> yeah, pre-commit can abort the commit I believe
[11:43] <Stavros> ah, good, thanks
[11:48] <james_w> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/247847
[11:48] <james_w> just filed that for you
[13:17] <lifeless> james_w: read more closely please; you're describing bugs incorrectly
[13:18] <james_w> sorry, which ones?
[13:18] <lifeless> 244310 was wrong
[13:18] <lifeless> I'm checking the other recent updates now
[13:19] <lifeless> separately, I'm not sure the platform is relevant for many of the bugs
[13:19] <james_w> oh yeah, I don't know why I put that
[13:19] <lifeless> no prob
[13:20] <james_w> I'm not sure it is for all of them either
[13:20] <james_w> I just got fed up of hunting through each time to dupe them.
[13:21] <james_w> I can pull it out of the ones that probably aren't if you like
[13:21] <lifeless> well
[13:21] <lifeless> not really worth the time I guess
[13:21] <lifeless> just note it for future :)
[13:22] <james_w> sure
[13:22] <james_w> p.s. I have an archive import running at the moment, about 14 hours on main and it's up to kdebase
[13:22] <james_w> debian+ubuntu
[13:23] <lifeless> cool
[13:23] <lifeless> we'll want that to play with Monday :)
[13:24] <james_w> yep, Colin asked me to make sure we had some branches for others to play with next week. There's a bunch of failures, but I think two things account for 90% of them.
[13:24] <james_w> are you still in Istanbul?
[13:24] <lifeless> yup
[13:25] <lifeless> till sunday 4pm
[13:25] <lifeless> (as in 4pm I hit london)
[13:25] <james_w> how was GUADEC?
[13:25] <lifeless> pretty good
[13:25] <lifeless> have you seen the playground?
[13:25] <lifeless> bzr-playground.gnome.org
[13:25] <james_w> no, I haven't looked yet
[13:25] <lifeless> uhm battery; bbiab
[13:49] <lifeless> back
[13:52] <lifeless> hi markh, how went the sprint ?
[13:52] <markh> lifeless: not too bad - I'm still here - but I'm all alone in the bzr world
[13:52] <lifeless> :)
[13:52] <lifeless> james_w: do look at the playground
[13:52] <markh> a couple of people have promised to send a couple of patches - hopefully they will turn into contributors
[13:53] <lifeless> awesome
[13:53] <markh> how is the middle-east (whereever it is you are!)?
[13:53] <markh> successful?
[13:53] <lifeless> istanbul :)
[13:53] <lifeless> pretty intense
[13:53] <lifeless> lots of passionate users of both bzr and git
[13:53] <markh> with the gnome guys, right?
[13:53] <lifeless> yes
[13:54] <james_w> lifeless: it doesn't seem to work too well for me. I just get the project lists, but they don't seem to go anywhere for the people ones, and the trunk ones give a proxy error
[13:54] <markh> you winning their hearts and minds? ;)
[13:54] <lifeless> james_w: the people ones have not created branches of their own yet
[13:54] <lifeless> james_w: the proxy error - needs looking at; its LH again:(. but just refresh and it should come good
[14:02] <mark1> stooopid wireless networks...
[14:02] <lifeless> :)
[14:22] <awilkins> Woo, lots of bzr-svn branches
[15:42] <apol> why doesnt WorkingTree.has_filename() work? it is always returning True to me... :S
[15:42] <lifeless> apol: really?
[15:43] <apol> lifeless: yes, it is the first time i use it so maybe I'm doing something wrong... :S
[15:43] <lifeless> apol: it only tells you if the _path is versioned_, not if its on disk
[15:43] <lifeless> apol: er, hang on - was looking at wrong code
[15:43] <lifeless> apol: it does a lexists
[15:44] <apol> i just want to know if a path is on a working tree
[15:44] <lifeless> apol: in what manner, do you mean 'is versioned', or 'is present on disk', or 'is versioned and present on disk'
[15:45] <apol> lifeless: is versioned
[15:45] <apol> lifeless: i'm working on the kdev4 support
[15:45] <lifeless> apol: for that, use path2id
[15:45] <apol> lifeless: i just want to know if the user still has to add it or he can work with it (eg check the log or commit)
[15:46] <lifeless> apol: tree.path2id('README.txt') != None
[15:46] <apol> cool
[15:46] <apol> let me check
[15:47] <apol> thanks a lot lifeless
[15:49] <lifeless> no problem :)
[15:51] <lovebug356> Is it possible to merge with another branch but only with one command? ( like git merge --squash)
[15:51] <lovebug356> s/command/commit
[15:51] <lifeless> lovebug356: yes
[15:52] <lifeless> lovebug356: merge FOO && bzr revert --forget-merges && bzr commit -m 'squashed!'
[15:52] <andrea-bs> how about a cherrypick?
[15:52] <lovebug356> lifeless, thanks, will try that.
[15:53] <lifeless> andrea-bs: bzr merge -r x..y FOO && bzr commit -m 'This is a cherrypick'
[15:53] <andrea-bs> oh, thanks lifeless
[15:54] <lifeless> np
[15:54] <lovebug356> And does somebody know how to work with a git branch? tried bzr-git but that crashed
[15:54] <lifeless> lovebug356: your best bet to day is git-fast-export ++ bzr fast-import
[15:55] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/bzr-fastimport
[15:56] <lovebug356> lifeless, thanks, but can you give a real-life example of that? the recipe is not clear to me
[15:57] <lifeless> lovebug356: I can't, but I am quite sure there are details on the list :).
[15:57] <lifeless> http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrFastImport
[15:57] <lifeless> that wiki page has a howto
[15:58] <lifeless> bzr init-repo .
[15:58] <lifeless> front-end | bzr fast-import -
[15:58] <lifeless> where front-end is the exporter from git
[16:10] <lovebug356> lifeless, ok, thanks it works
[16:11] <lifeless> lovebug356: cool
[16:11] <lifeless> I'm going offline for a while; hope someone else can help on an further questions :)
[16:13] <lovebug356> lifeless, ;-)
[17:04] <antoranz> Hi guys! I had problem with 1.5 with filenames with non-ascii characters
[17:04] <antoranz> A fix has been issued for this... but I found another kind of problem related to non-ascii characters in 1.6b2
[17:05] <antoranz> I posted a report in the same bug in launchpad... should I file a new bug for it?
[17:05] <antoranz> take a look: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/135320/comments/27
[17:05] <antoranz> yes... that's it
[17:25] <antoranz> so? File a new bug or leave it like that?
[17:43] <james_w> antoranz: yeah, yours seems to be a different issue, so different bug report please.
[17:44] <antoranz> k
[17:44] <james_w> though is it https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/244360 ?
[17:45] <james_w> it looks like it to me, so you could just subscribe to that one
[17:53] <Necoro> hmm ... I need to run bzr under windows ... but using the cmdline seems not to work... or am I missing something?
[17:57] <enobrev> Necoro, have to make sure bzr is in your path
[17:57] <Necoro> how do I do this? have never really used windows
[17:57] <enobrev> Necoro, on my system, I had to add "C:\Program Files\Python25\Scripts" to my system path
[17:59] <enobrev> Right click on "My Computer", go to Properties, Advanced Tab, Environment Variables (button), Look on hte bottom where it says "System Variables", Click on "PATH", then "Edit", and add a semi-colon and the path to your Python Scripts folder to the end of that line.
[18:00] <Necoro> ok - worked... thanks :)
[18:00] <enobrev> sure :)
[18:10] <apol> could somebody tell me why this doesn't work? http://rafb.net/p/bNXtm645.html
[18:10] <apol> or how to add something to a workingtree... 8-)
[18:11] <antoranz> I just added my stuff to that bug.
[18:16] <foobydoo> What's the appropriate URL to file a bug-report for bzr-svn clobbering commits if multiple users are editing their commit messages simultaneously?
[18:18] <luks> apol: smart_add takes a list of paths
[18:18] <luks> what you did is basically wt.smart_add("/home/kde-devel/testbzr/aaa")
[18:18] <luks> er
[18:19] <luks> wt.smart_add(["/", "h", ...])
[18:19] <apol> aaah
[18:20] <apol> luks: thanks a lot
[19:20] <matthewlmcclure> does bazaar have a "copy file" command?
[19:24]  * Foskasse http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-duck-writing1.jpg LOL!
[19:56] <apol_> how can I initialize a directory from python?
[20:03] <james_w> matthewlmcclure: no, it doesn't
[20:03] <james_w> apol_: checkout "bzrlib/builtins.py" for "class cmd_init"
[20:04] <james_w> apol_: that handles a few cases, so you may be able to strip it down depending on what you need
[20:04] <apol_> james_w: cool, thanks
[20:04] <james_w> it's not a simple one-liner though, as you have to deal with formats
[20:04] <apol_> really? :/
[20:04] <apol_> well, I'll check it out
[20:04] <apol_> thanks a lot
[20:05] <james_w> it's not one line, but it is about three I think, if don't need to handle all cases of existing dir, no parent dirs, etc.
[20:34] <matthewlmcclure> james_w: thanks
[21:43] <libwilliam> I have a question... With bzr send... Is the --message option only used with the email option of send?
[21:46] <libwilliam> Nevermind, I guess it works with the --output also... I thought it didn't but I wanted to ask first, but the test I did that made me think I didn't was wrong.
[21:46] <libwilliam> So ignore these message :)
[21:46] <libwilliam> messages*