[02:16] <FecklessGoat> helloooo
[17:21] <pete> Hello
[17:22] <pete> Is anyone online?
[17:30] <diogenes_Vx15> !ask
[17:30] <diogenes_Vx15> err


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[09:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:40] <dholbach> kyleN, mhall119: I'm just going through all content on developer.u.c for a general review - and I wasn't quite sure: what is http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/apis/ for?
[14:41] <dholbach> is this supposed to go to developer.u.c/api at some stage?
[14:42] <mhall119> dholbach: those look like balloons' docs....not sure why they're under the main platform section
[14:43] <mhall119> maybe the page can just be renamed from API to Quality or Testing
[14:43] <dholbach> mhall119, reparented as well?
[14:43] <dholbach> balloons, ^
[14:43] <kyleN> i think he said some of his testing apis are platform appropriate (like autopilot generally) and some are toolkit specific and they would be placed in the apt sections there
[14:43] <dholbach> hum hum...
[14:44] <mhall119> dholbach: I think a reparenting isn't needed if we rename te page
[14:44] <dholbach> I think from a "which bucket does this fit in" perspective it makes sense
[14:44] <dholbach> but for a new user going through the items in the navigation it's a bit confusing
[14:45] <dholbach> or it might be
[14:46] <kyleN> also, so far we have strictly required api docs to fit into the current api scheme. these do not though
[14:47] <kyleN> mhall119, ^
[14:48] <dholbach> kyleN, it might be more a question for Nick
[14:48] <kyleN> dholbach, doesn't mhall119 manage all the api docs?
[14:49] <mhall119> the autopilot API docs are not strictly API reference, it's reference + tutorials + FAQ + more
[14:49] <mhall119> kyleN: I don't
[14:49] <dholbach> kyleN, from the discussion above (I haven't checked) it looks like Nick wrote the article and might know more
[14:49] <kyleN> hmm.
[14:50] <balloons> yes, we had the 'quality' section, but it was agred to drop it and place the docs in existing sections
[14:51] <kyleN> balloons and I had agreed quality should be a side nav  but that idea was modified in a meeting as I recall
[14:52] <dholbach> balloons, kyleN: the reason I brought it up was that it might look to somebody who's new like "this is platform api docs"
[14:53] <dholbach> while it's actually (if I understand correctly) links to apis which are platform agnostic or didn't fit elsewhere
[14:53] <dholbach> I don't know if we should fix this or what a good way to clarify this might be
[14:53] <dholbach> I just wanted to bring it up
[14:53] <kyleN> i still think a quality section/side nav would solve this
[14:54] <kyleN> I wonder if we are overconcerned about the proliferation of side nav items. I tend to think a set of sid nave topics would be very useful.
[14:54] <dholbach> maybe we should have a "you might be looking for the <link to the api website>" to the top of the page somewhere as well
[14:54] <kyleN> and some other dev sites do it that way: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/navigation/#section=Topics&topic=Mathematical%20Computation
[14:59] <balloons> I have no horse in the race, except the content. I'm ok with placing it inside the existing sections, and agree quality as a sidenav could be weird. But yes, the AP docs and linkouts to other tool docs need to live somewhere.. a bit like linking to third party apis
[15:01] <dholbach> balloons, sure sure - I didn't mean to say that they should be kicked out or something :)
[15:01] <balloons> dholbach, I know.. you are just confused and want things to be logically laid out. I agree :-)
[15:01] <dholbach> balloons, I was first just wondering what they were and then how we can make it a bit clearer to somebody who has little idea where they're headed
[15:07] <balloons> I'm wide open.. let's try some of your ideas
[15:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:21] <dholbach> all right my friends - see you all tomorrow - have a great rest of your day!
[18:49] <jcastro> czajkowski, wow really
[18:49] <jcastro> an aircraft carrier?
[20:32] <czajkowski> jcastro: eh ?


[14:12] <dkm635> john-mcaleely
[14:21] <dkm635> hey anybody home ?
[14:21] <dkm635> ???
[14:26] <dkm635> bla bla bla
[14:26] <dkm635> bla bla bla
[14:26] <dkm635> koi hai bc
[17:01] <cyberbrain> hi all...did anyone managed to install aircrack-ng on BQ E5 ? does it's wifi card supports monitor mode anyways?
[21:43] <Walex>  | wc -l


[05:32] <larsu> good morning!
[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[05:38] <pitti> hey larsu!
[05:39] <larsu> guten morgen pitti! Gut nach Hause gekommen?
[05:39] <pitti> larsu: jau, alles bestens; hatte ein tolles WE mit viel Garten, Gammeln, und Kino :)
[05:39] <pitti> larsu: und bei Dir?
[05:40] <larsu> pitti: auch super. War noch in London bis gestern und bin ein bisschen mit attente durch die Gegend gelaufen
[05:41] <pitti> larsu: ah, auch mit beim Phantom?
[05:41] <larsu> pitti: nee (das waren nur seb und helene, oder?)
[05:43] <pitti> kann sein, ja
[05:58] <didrocks> good morning
[06:02] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:02] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi, bien rentré ?
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: oui, et un bien week-end calme, dans le jardin et avec de la glace vraie :)
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: et toi ?
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: rentré vendredi soir, concert le samedi et piscine/sauna hier, donc tranquille également :)
[06:19] <didrocks> pitti: did you see bug #1444402?
[06:20] <didrocks> pitti: we found with Laney a correspondant upstream bug
[06:20] <didrocks> and there was an early patch from February with a commit revert
[06:20] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I did; I was going to pick up the "tentative" fixes from upstream, build a package in a PPA, and let Laney test it
[06:20] <didrocks> and then, we had a laugh when we found out it was your commit :p
[06:20] <didrocks> ah, there is a real fix?
[06:20] <pitti> I hope :)
[06:20] <didrocks> nice!
[06:20] <pitti> in trunk it should be fairly ok now
[06:21] <pitti> not unmounting stuff that we want, but still unmounting stale mounts when devices actually do go away
[06:21] <didrocks> quite easy for him to reproduce anyway
[06:21] <pitti> yeah, I don't get this, so it'd be good if he could test it
[06:21] <didrocks> same here
[06:21] <didrocks> I have a similar setup though
[06:21] <didrocks> with a temp overlay in my sbuild…
[06:22] <didrocks> tmpfs*
[06:22] <pitti> didrocks: oh, do you get the bug?
[06:22] <didrocks> pitti: no, I have a similar layout than Laney, but without the bug
[06:22] <pitti> didrocks: so my task for today is bug 1448247, then I'll look into that
[06:22] <pitti> and bug 1448259 too
[06:22] <didrocks> but he's having his sbuild in a container AFAIK, that's maybe the cause
[06:22] <pitti> didrocks: there's one systemd in -proposed, these two (and perhaps more) are queued for the next SRU
[06:23] <didrocks> oh, the pkg-create-dbgsym can be quite a blocker for some pacakges…
[06:23] <didrocks> packages*
[06:30] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, gcc mostly
[06:30] <pitti> but we do have others which use a different binary version, seems LP checks that carefully
[06:30] <didrocks> it's transitional packages for most I would say, so shouldn't impact that much, but still…
[07:30] <willcooke> morning
[07:33] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[07:42] <pitti> hey willcooke, how are you?
[07:44] <willcooke> hey pitti didrocks
[07:45] <willcooke> anyone else had problems with the Canonical IRC server?  Well, I know lots of people are, but anyone here?
[07:46] <didrocks> willcooke: password has changed
[07:46] <didrocks> you should have got a personal one now
[07:47] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah, this is with that new password
[07:47] <willcooke> talking to IS about it, seems a few are having issues
[08:02] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:03] <Laney> hey hey
[08:04] <pitti> hey Laney, hey Sweet5hark, how are you?
[08:04] <larsu> hi Laney! Had a good trop home?
[08:04] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark!
[08:04] <larsu> Sweet5hark: how's HH?
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark, Laney!
[08:05] <Laney> hey pitti, very fine thank you!
[08:05] <Laney> we had some friends over for a cheese party after I got back on Saturday
[08:05] <Laney> as if more food was required :-)
[08:05] <pitti> haha
[08:06] <Laney> very smooth thanks larsu!
[08:06] <Laney> did you have a nice afternoon/evening/return journey?
[08:06] <Laney> & hey didrocks ;-)
[08:06] <Laney> hope the parental visit went well
[08:07] <Sweet5hark> Laney, pitti, larsu: Good a good trip home. Hamburg is rainy, but not cold. Both is appreciated as it keeps the pollen somewhat under control -- still too many around for my immune system.
[08:08] <larsu> Laney: I did indeed. Chilled in London with attente during the day and went dancing all night
[08:08] <pitti> ah, much nicer here, sunny and all
[08:08] <Laney> \o/
[08:08] <Sweet5hark> and good morning didrocks too!
[08:08] <larsu> Laney: didn't need a room after all ;)
[08:08] <Laney> good work
[08:09]  * Laney does some IRC config mangling
[08:09] <Laney> thought I updated this already
[08:10] <didrocks> Laney: willcooke has trouble connecting with the right config
[08:10] <didrocks> and it seems others as well
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: FTR, I don't get bug 1444402, but I'm fairly optimistic that it's fixed in upstream git now; I'll build you a package later on, but I first need to unbreak ddebs
[08:11] <Laney> pitti: okay, thanks - the revert is fine for me meanwhile
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: right, but just reverting is wrong too
[08:12] <pitti> (for an SRU, I mean)
[08:12] <Laney> I'm sure, but just until there's a real fix
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: yep, absolutely fine for you locally
[08:14]  * Sweet5hark wonders about his IRC ssl setup. Connecting to canonical fails with a weird error on the certs. Curiously the same happened with xmpp since London. THEY are out to get me it seems.
[08:15] <willcooke> Could someone ping hikiko on Canonical and ask her to ping me on Freenode?
[08:15] <hikiko> willcooke, i ll ping you
[08:15] <Laney> haha
[08:16] <Laney> shortcircuit
[08:16] <willcooke> oh
[08:16] <willcooke> how strange!
[08:16] <willcooke> hikiko, I saw you had disconnected, but I must have missed the reconnect
[08:16] <hikiko> * Ping reply from willcooke: 0.15 second(s)
[08:16] <hikiko> :D
[08:36] <willcooke> can haz IRC
[08:37] <willcooke> If you were having issues with the Canonical IRC server try again now, should be sorted
[08:41] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: still auth fails for me here ...
[08:42] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, join #canonical-sysadmin and spads will help
[08:43] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: thx
[08:52] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: bug 1448508 for icon love
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> Riddell: Yes, will look at that with 4.4.3 (and when the CVE-2015-1774 is through on all supported releases) ...
[09:38] <willcooke> larsu wins the expenses prize
[09:39] <didrocks> well done larsu :)
[09:39] <larsu> willcooke: because I'm first or they're highest? :P
[09:40] <didrocks> larsu: told you that you shouldn't have expensed this ferrari…
[09:40] <larsu> pssst!
[09:40] <larsu> nobody was supposed to know this!
[09:41] <willcooke> FIRST"
[09:46] <larsu> :)
[09:46] <larsu> I hate expenses, thought I might as well do it immediately
[09:46] <larsu> feels much better than doing them 3 weeks later
[09:46] <willcooke> +1
[09:46] <willcooke> I should do mine I suppose
[09:46] <willcooke> :(
[09:48] <larsu> haha
[09:49] <larsu> does someone have a 14.04 vm lying around?
[09:49] <larsu> someone on #gtk is seeing a bug in tree views: can't resize columns when horizontal scrollbar is there
[09:53] <willcooke> larsu, I'm on 14.04 here still
[09:54] <willcooke> yes, I know, and I will upgrade
[09:54] <willcooke> but not today
[09:54] <willcooke> or this week
[09:54] <willcooke> larsu, so in file manager or something like that?
[09:55] <willcooke> larsu, yes, it does that
[09:55] <larsu> does what?
[09:55] <larsu> you can't resize?
[09:55] <willcooke> larsu, with a horizontal scroll bar I can't resize cols
[09:55] <willcooke> without a scroll bar, I can
[09:55] <larsu> willcooke: cool thanks that all I needed to know
[09:56] <willcooke> larsu, you want a video?
[09:56] <larsu> willcooke: ha, no that's good
[09:56] <willcooke> oki
[09:56] <larsu> willcooke: it's just that sometimes people have a weird setup and I don't want to waste time, so I get a 2nd opinion :)
[09:58] <willcooke> :)
[09:59] <larsu> Laney: this ^ might be SRU material for the LTS
[10:00] <larsu> seems the bug is fixes in later version
[10:00] <larsu> *s
[10:00] <Laney> do you know what commit?
[10:00] <Laney> and is there a bug?
[10:01] <larsu> Laney: telling him to file one now
[10:01] <larsu> Laney: sorry for the early ping. I was so excited!
[10:01] <Laney> haha
[10:02] <Laney> uploads are fun, I understand
[10:03] <didrocks> SRU even more! :)
[10:03]  * larsu builds old gtk
[11:07] <willcooke_> sigh
[11:07] <willcooke_> internet
[11:07] <willcooke_> sigh
[11:07] <willcooke_> car
[11:07] <willcooke_> sigh
[11:07] <willcooke_> fml
[11:07] <willcooke_> Looks like my internet is still messed up
[11:07] <didrocks> fml?
[11:07] <willcooke_> this afternoon I've got a hosp. appoint with the wife (so I wont be around between about 1400 and 1600)
[11:07] <willcooke_> and the car wont start because the battery is dead *again*
[11:07] <willcooke_> F*** my life
[11:08] <willcooke_> ;)
[11:08] <didrocks> willcooke_: was googling and found it quite early :p
[11:08] <willcooke_> haha!
[11:08] <didrocks> seems there is even specilised websites
[11:08] <willcooke_> Interestingly though - if I move my PPPoE connection to a Rasp Pi I get 0% packet loss
[11:08] <didrocks> we have "vdm" in french for this
[11:08] <willcooke_> if I use the router provided by my ISP I get > 60% packet loss
[11:08] <didrocks> seriously?
[11:09] <willcooke_> so I think I've worked out the cause of the problem
[11:09] <willcooke_> I need a sandwich and to think about this some more
[11:09] <willcooke_> and tea
[11:10]  * Laney is expecting the double glazing man, exciting
[11:10] <Laney> no more cold office
[11:13] <willcooke_> \o/
[11:14] <willcooke_> I have to replace all our wooden windows soon, they're rotten
[11:14] <Laney> same
[11:15] <Laney> we're getting fake wood uPVC
[11:15] <willcooke> same!
[11:15] <willcooke> Brown wood on the outside, white and smooth on the inside
[11:15] <willcooke> I think we can scrape another winter out of these ones
[11:16] <willcooke> #windownews
[11:16] <davmor2> willcooke: sounds like your alternator maybe dead
[11:16] <willcooke> davmor2, nah, it's some deal with the bluetooth module - known issue
[11:17] <davmor2> willcooke: but you work on Ubuntu Desktop why would you want news on windows?
[11:17] <willcooke> plus Ford being tight and putting the smallest battery they can get away with in there
[11:17] <davmor2> willcooke: hahaha
[11:18] <davmor2> willcooke: get a skoda much easier and the bluetooth is likely to work.....mostly cause it will get failed till it's fixed if it doesn't work on mine :D
[11:20] <willcooke> :)
[11:24] <didrocks> wires are the future!
[11:31]  * xnox is lost reading above backlog snippets
[11:32] <xnox> didrocks: the fml website has french and english editions. I don't get the french one, but seems popular.
[11:33] <davmor2> didrocks: past present and future ;)
[12:57] <Laney> larsu: when you get some free time, can you try ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww please? I just uploaded o-s disabling gtk2 to there
[12:57] <Laney> I notice that GtkScrolledWindows get some weird grey area when they are scrollable
[12:58] <larsu> Laney: I'm about to head out for some errands, but will do when I come back
[12:58] <larsu> Laney: and thanks!
[12:59] <Laney> np
[12:59] <Laney> darkxst: ^^^^^^ fyi
[13:00] <Laney> can you remember what the bugs you had last time were?
[13:00] <Laney> we should track them somehow
[14:31] <attente> is there something special i need to do to copy the files from obj-x86_64-linux-gnu into the debian directory for a cmake-based project?
[14:53] <pitti> Laney: bug 1444402 now has a PPA which might fix this (fingers crossed); I followed up with what I need if they don't
[15:00] <davmor2> willcooke: out of interest has anyone tried lowering the amount of ram their machine has to see how well ubuntu-next runs on it?  ie can we still meet these specs with unity8 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[15:01] <davmor2> willcooke: or do we need to lower/raise that spec ?
[15:01]  * larsu doubts that we need to lower it
[15:01] <larsu> these are specs for current unity?
[15:01] <larsu> what about gpu?
[15:02] <larsu> ah, it says further down
[15:02] <Laney> attente: dh should set DESTDIR on make install automatically
[15:02] <davmor2> larsu: VGA capable of 1024x768 screen resolution
[15:02] <Laney> pitti: ack, thanks - will try tomorrow; going away now
[15:02] <pitti> Laney: enjoy the sun!
[15:03] <pitti> or climbing, or whereever you go :)
[15:03] <Laney> climbing, you got it ;-)
[15:03] <attente> Laney: have a good one
[15:03] <larsu> davmor2: right, but that's fallback. It says further down that 3D acceleration is needed for unity, and that won't change for unity8
[15:03] <Laney> pitti: btw running sbuild inside lxc is probably an ingredient of this bug
[15:03] <pitti> Laney: in lxc? it for sure is
[15:04] <Laney> I notice that I forgot to mention this. :)
[15:04] <didrocks> Laney: where is my sun btw? I'm going to go to a protest for the UK to give it back to us!
[15:04] <pitti> that explains why we didn't get it earlier
[15:04] <pitti> didrocks: nous avons beaucoup du soleil ici :)
[15:04] <pitti> I've just been out for some 45 mins of basketball practice, and was sweating
[15:04] <didrocks> waow, lucky you :)
[15:04] <davmor2> larsu: so it does
[15:05] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10912230/
[15:05] <Laney> that is fstab of the container
[15:05]  * Laney waves good afternoon
[15:12] <larsu> Laney: just when I upgraded with your ppa. Enjoy!
[16:47] <Hallo32> Are there any information about the future of umake?
[16:47] <Hallo32> Will it support libs like boost and other stuff?


[02:40] <icedtea> Anyone know how to fix this? E: Couldn't download packages: python-minimal python2.7-minimal sysvinit-utils
[02:41] <icedtea> when running pbuilder create
[03:08] <icedtea> looks like adding a mirror to the pbuilder command works
[06:51] <orneo121> Hello developers
[06:51] <orneo121> I have a question
[09:33] <Stecchino> unity-2d seems to mess with drag and drop within my Qt application. Anyone know how to prevent/fix this?


[00:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Todoist Takes on Trello with New Kanban Board Feature @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/09/todoist-new-boards-feature-available (by Joey Sneddon)
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[22:52] <wxl> Lubuntu Members has its latest cardholder, Leó Kolbeinsson aka leok. I think ya'll are mentioning Ubuntu Members but I'm not sure you're getting updates on members from other flavors (e.g. Kubuntu). We don't deal a lot with them, but there ya go.
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[22:55] <krytarik> wxl: Have you got an announcement we can link to?  That's usually how we get aware of any new member stuff.
[22:56] <wxl> well i guess we can make some somewhere. where do Ubuntu Members end up? the fridge?
[22:57] <krytarik> They usually get mailed to any list after selection.
[22:58] <krytarik> Which also usually includes the ubuntu-news-team one.
[22:59] <wxl> i was meaning the announcement link you are requesting
[23:00] <krytarik> Yes, me too.
[23:01] <wxl> so posting to the ubuntu-news-team would suffice?
[23:01] <wxl> like that would be the link in and of itself?
[23:01] <krytarik> Jup.
[23:02] <krytarik> For example, we also get news from LoCo directly to there occasionally - so that's perfectly fine for membership stuff too.
[23:08] <wxl> done
[23:20] <krytarik> Thanks.


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[22:00] <Bashing-om> will return to summaries after a nap . :) will go much better then .


[01:28] <Maik> Hi, my Ubuntu membership has been approved today and i would like to ask if i could request a ubuntu member cloak please. https://launchpad.net/~maik-adamietz
[18:43] <Maik> Unit193: ping
[22:29] <Unit193> Maik: Hello.
[22:30] <Maik> hey :)
[22:30] <Maik> Unit193: could you be so kind to look into the ubuntu member cloak i requested?
[22:43] <Maik> 'ubuntu/member/nickname' would do
[22:43] <Maik> if you have the time that is. :)
[22:43] <Unit193> Done, Maik.
[22:44] <Maik> thanks Unit193
[22:44] <Maik> i guess i need to disconnect first to make it visible?
[22:44] <Unit193> Nope.
[22:45] <Maik> nice
[22:45] <Maik> thanks again, it's appreciated :)


[18:04] <mup> Issue pc-amd64-gadget#20 closed:  GRUB shows "Trying to terminate EFI services again" and blocks boot for a while <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issue/20>
[18:04] <mup> Issue pc-amd64-gadget#30 closed: Git tags and versioning <Created by lopezem> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issue/30>
[18:04] <mup> Issue pc-amd64-gadget#36 closed: Broken kernel.efi does not reboot automatically <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issue/36>
[18:04] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#35 closed: grub.cfg-boot: drop compatibility mode <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/35>
[18:05] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#37 closed: Drop duplicate grub.cfg-* <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/37>
[18:05] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#38 closed: grub.cfg-recovery: fix typo, filter vars when loading them <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/38>
[18:06] <mup> Issue pc-amd64-gadget#20 opened:  GRUB shows "Trying to terminate EFI services again" and blocks boot for a while <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issue/20>
[18:06] <mup> Issue pc-amd64-gadget#30 opened: Git tags and versioning <Created by lopezem> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issue/30>
[18:06] <mup> Issue pc-amd64-gadget#36 opened: Broken kernel.efi does not reboot automatically <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issue/36>
[18:06] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#35 opened: grub.cfg-boot: drop compatibility mode <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/35>
[18:06] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#37 opened: Drop duplicate grub.cfg-* <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/37>
[18:06] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#38 opened: grub.cfg-recovery: fix typo, filter vars when loading them <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/38>


[00:03] <apachelogger> bdmurray: pingy
[00:03] <bdmurray> apachelogger: hi
[00:04] <apachelogger> bdmurray: aloha, could you please add ~kubotu to bugcontrol, it's our kubuntu bot user
[00:05] <micahg> hrm?
[00:05] <micahg> why should a bot be in bug control
[00:05] <micahg> in fact, I'd veto that
[00:05] <apachelogger> micahg: newpackage/newversion -> importance = whislist
[00:05] <apachelogger> micahg: how so?
[00:05] <micahg> apachelogger: and access to private bugs, which makes public disclosure easier
[00:06] <apachelogger> micahg: we don't have facilities to query bugs
[00:06] <apachelogger> nor would we
[00:06] <micahg> apachelogger: kubotu doesn't look up bug titles?
[00:06] <apachelogger> no
[00:06] <apachelogger> ubottu does that already
[00:10] <micahg> apachelogger: hrm, I guess if you have tight control over it, I guess that's fine (i.e. non-bug control people can't access the bot serverside or have the LP credentials for it)
[00:10] <apachelogger> it is on the same server as ubottu, so I doubt that should be a problem
[00:12] <micahg> apachelogger: ubottu doesn't have bug control and that is a problem
[00:12] <micahg> not all IRC ops have bug control access
[00:12]  * micahg wonders who can access that server
[00:13] <micahg> apachelogger: I would think a solution might be to have the bot tag and then you can have a bdmurray bot set the importance for you
[00:14] <bdmurray> new package ones, if tagged needs-packaging, will be auto wishlisted as it is
[00:15] <apachelogger> that is what prompted me asking :P
[00:15]  * apachelogger would not give a rats booty otherwise :P
[00:15] <bdmurray> new version ones makes sense for ubuntu too, so if we just settle on a tag my bot could do that too
[00:15] <micahg> bdmurray: I'm wondering if we should just auto wishlist upgrade-software-version tagged bugs as well
[00:16] <bdmurray> micahg: is that the right tag?  I forgot
[00:16] <micahg> bdmurray: I added it to LP, we decided on it a while back
[00:17] <bdmurray> okay, well wishlist makes sense to me
[00:17] <micahg> apachelogger: does that ^^ work for you (kubotu tags upgrade-software-version and bdmurray's bot wishlists)?
[00:17] <apachelogger> already doing
[00:17] <apachelogger> creates two mails though
[00:18] <bdmurray> I'm sure everybody already filters my bot's email ;-)
[00:19] <micahg> true, but the people subscribed to enough packages to have it make a difference are already drowning in mail
[00:21] <apachelogger> hehe, good point
[00:43] <brokenfingers> Wait, if a bug appeers not to be a problem anymore, set it to Fix Released or Incomplete?
[00:45] <micahg> depends, if the fix is unknown, invalid, if it is known fix released
[00:46] <micahg> if you think it might work for you and not someone else, incomplete
[00:52] <brokenfingers> micahg: Well, bug 814826 comment 13 Someone set it to Incomplete, "because it doesn't seem to happen in current Precise". I leave it, or change to FixRel?
[00:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 814826 in bamf "bamfdaemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_display_get_event()" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814826
[00:55] <micahg> brokenfingers: trevino is unity hacker, I'd go with him on this
[00:56] <brokenfingers> micahg: Okay. Thank you, and sorry about my horrible "lo Ciento" mixup. :)
[00:56] <micahg> brokenfingers: no problema
[06:47] <bullgard6> What article describes well the function of the  Ubuntu crash database submission daemon  »whoopsie«? "This program submits crash reports back to an Ubuntu server," is too short a description.
[07:13] <jibel> bullgard6, the spec at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker describes it well
[07:23] <bullgard6> jibel: This is good stuff. I will need a while to digest it. -- Thank you for your help. --  Does using whoopsie dispense with installing error diagnostic symbols, for example the package »banshee-dbg«?
[07:35] <jibel> bullgard6, if you want to retrace a crash locally you'll need debugging symbols, otherwise upload the report and let the retracers do their job
[07:44] <bullgard6> jibel: Thank you for advising.
[09:49] <bullgard6> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker: "The apport client will write a .upload file alongside a .crash file to indicate that the crash should be sent to the crash database." I had an Evince crash. I find the files  /var/crash/_usr_bin_evince.1000.crash  and /var/crash/ _usr_bin_evince.1000.upload. Are this the two files that  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker: talks about?
[12:48] <hggdh>  bulldog98_ yes
[16:56] <jkbe> hi
[16:57] <LordOfTime> hi
[16:58] <jkbe> i have installed ubuntu 12.04 on a few intel desktops allready and i still have the same problem, my system is a intel i7 3930k and asus p9x79 deluxe motherboard, the other intel desktop i installed it on was a i7 920 with the x58 chipset mobo. They both had the same problem:
[16:58] <jkbe> the problem is that i cant click/select some buttons/windows
[16:59] <jkbe> it's like the gui is freezing but its not if i check in a terminal
[16:59] <jkbe> everything works perfectly if i go non-gui
[17:00] <jkbe> The same problem persists if i install the nvidia drivers so i dont think its gpu related
[17:01] <jkbe> I've searched google for hours now and i installed several other linux distro's, they all had the same problem
[17:01] <jkbe> any chance i can fix this?
[17:23] <xclusive585> micahg: When you have time do a swing by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/1009536/comments/5 and read that last comment I posted. I feel we are kind-of at a standstill on the issue. Also maybe you could post a link to your PPA or email it to me? (I'm curious if that package of Boinc you built for your PPA and Quantal was debians SID 7.0.27)
[17:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1009536 in boinc "Ubuntu 12.04/7.0.24/ Seti@home" [Undecided,Confirmed]


[09:38] <iceroot> hi
[09:38] <iceroot> i found a bug in a main-package which is managed through "bzr". what is the way to help fixing? a patch, a debdiff, an upload by me into "bzr"?
[09:39] <iceroot> bug is in command-not-found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/925678  just a string needs to be replaced but i think its a good training for me to work on that
[09:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 925678 in command-not-found (Ubuntu) "[12.04] command-not-found is showing a wrong version when its crashing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[09:42] <ali1234> iceroot: it depends on the package unfortunately
[09:43] <iceroot> ali1234: command-not-found in this case
[09:45] <ali1234> confirming your bug since i can reproduce it
[09:46] <ali1234> also i feel like it shouldn't crash even if LANG is invalid
[09:46] <ali1234> iceroot: there were some sessions about this in the past few days so you might want to go and read over those
[09:47] <ali1234> iceroot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[09:47] <iceroot> ali1234: do you have a link for me on that?
[09:47] <iceroot> ali1234: great thank you
[09:47] <iceroot> ali1234: i will fill a new bug on command-not-found for crashing when LANG is set incorrectly
[09:51] <ali1234> the instructions for filing a bug are pretty unhelpful too
[09:51] <ali1234> something obviously caught the crash, yet it provides no useful debugging information for you to repost on the bug report. why?
[09:52] <iceroot> i am remebering a speech at the last "linux day in berlin" where someone has a presentation about using bzr to commit patches, of course i cant remember that but i will do some reading on it, thank you
[09:53] <iceroot> i dont get exactly what you are asking for with the last "why"
[09:54] <ali1234> well if it crashed, what was the error message?
[09:54] <iceroot> ali1234: the one i posted on the bug "with the wrong version number"
[09:54] <iceroot> thats al
[09:54] <iceroot> l
[09:54] <ali1234> i know
[09:54] <ali1234> that's rubbish
[09:55] <ali1234> btw you can strace it like this:
[09:55] <ali1234> strace sh LANG=en vii foo
[09:55] <ali1234> and strace will show you the error message which says:
[09:55] <ali1234> "Can't open LANG=en"
[09:55] <ali1234> which is actually helpful
[09:56] <ali1234> but then that little supposedly helpful instruction about posting a bug report throws that one useful piece of information away
[09:56] <iceroot> ali1234: but that message is coming from sh not from command-not-found
[09:56] <iceroot> imo
[09:56] <ali1234> ah yes, you're right, ok let me retry that
[09:58] <iceroot> do we have something like "set -x" for python? so i can put that into /usr/lib/command-not-found
[09:58] <iceroot> + /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/command-not-found -- vii
[09:58] <iceroot> that is the call of command-not-found
[09:58] <ali1234> no, don't think so
[09:59] <ali1234> looks like command-not-found is actually catching the exception and then hiding it
[09:59] <iceroot> first of all i will open two new bugs, command-not-found not giving usefull output for the bug and crashing with wrong LANG
[10:00] <ali1234> from CommandNotFound.util import crash_guard <- here the bug will be found
[10:02] <ali1234> ok
[10:04] <ali1234> actually i don't understand why it doesn't print the exception/backtrace
[10:05] <ali1234> oh wait, yes i do, there's a double nested try
[10:06] <ali1234> settings the LANG wrong not only crashes command not found but it also crashes the crash dumper
[10:07] <iceroot> so its not a command-not-found bug if i get you correctly
[10:07] <ali1234> it is, cos the crash dumper is part of command-not-found
[10:07] <ali1234> they are trying to be clever and printout a message when it crashes
[10:07] <ali1234> but it is crashing so bad that the helpful message isn't printing
[10:08] <ali1234> but because they already caught the exception, NOTHING gets printed
[10:13] <iceroot> so now we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/925678
[10:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 925678 in command-not-found (Ubuntu) "[12.04] command-not-found is showing a wrong version when its crashing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:13] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/926569
[10:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 926569 in command-not-found (Ubuntu) "command-not-found crashing when LANG is set incorrectly (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:13] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/926577
[10:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 926577 in command-not-found (Ubuntu) "command-not-found is hiding exception/backtrace when crashing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:13] <iceroot> just because i misstyped LANG and vi :)
[10:15] <ali1234> bugs tend to clump together
[10:15] <iceroot> ali1234: but they are different (imo)
[10:16] <ali1234> the second two are arguably the same
[10:16] <iceroot> not really (imo)
[10:16] <ali1234> you can't really prevent crashing on a bad locale
[10:17] <iceroot> the first is that its not acting correctly on a wrong LANG, the second is when the crash dunper fails its stealing the backtrace (which can happen on other bugs then locale too)
[10:18] <ali1234> can it?
[10:18] <iceroot> and gtk is acting correctly on a wrong locale
[10:18] <iceroot> Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[10:18] <ali1234> it seems to happen specifically because of the locale bug
[10:18] <iceroot> ali1234: but maybe there are other case4s to i can crash it
[10:19] <ali1234> maybe........
[10:19] <iceroot> so there should be a general fix that crash dumper is not stealing anything
[10:20] <iceroot> but that is just my opinion and maybe you are wrong its all just because of the incorrect locale
[10:20] <ali1234> i think instead of trying to manually generate a backtrace it should catch the exception, print the friendly message, and then just reraise the exception
[10:20] <iceroot> ali1234: that is what i wanted to say :)
[10:22] <iceroot> ali1234: maybe you can put that in your words to the bug? maybe that is not confusing so much instead of me guessing something on that (with my english)
[10:23] <ali1234> yeah trying
[10:23] <iceroot> ali1234: thank you
[10:23] <ali1234> it's actually generating all kinds of weird errors rght now
[10:23] <ali1234> the crash dumper actually crashes because: %d format: a number is required, not sys.version_info
[10:23] <ali1234> which makes very little sense to me
[10:25] <ali1234> ah so this has absolutely nothing to do with the locale
[10:26] <ali1234> oh, no wrong again
[10:42] <iceroot> ali1234: thanks for your debug, would be great to append that infos on the bug(s) to its getting more clear then my try to debug it
[10:42] <ali1234> already done
[10:43] <iceroot> ah great then my mailserver/lp mailserver is just slow
[10:43] <iceroot> ali1234: thank you for the help on my issues
[17:03] <cornwall> Hi! Can a triager set bug 735250 to wishlist importance? Thanks!
[17:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 735250 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Please disable live viewport previews by default for Desktop Wall plugin (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735250
[17:17]  * penguin42 looks
[17:19] <penguin42> cornwall: I will set it to wishlist, but to be honest I like it - what would you prefer to happen?
[17:19] <penguin42> (and to be honest I'm not 100% sure which Desktop wall is - but would that be the one I get when doing ctrl-alt-arrow to switch desktop?
[17:20]  * penguin42 misses the previews on the KDE equivalent
[20:22] <cornwall> penguin42, I like it, too, but it's a feature request
[20:22] <penguin42> cornwall: Nod
[20:22] <cornwall> penguin42, yes, it's the little 'preview' thing.
[20:23] <cornwall> penguin42, thanks for marking it. One day I'll apply for membership....
[20:25] <penguin42> no problem
[20:54] <MxxCon> So do i need to provide any more info regarding bug 909996 to have somebody look at it/fix it?
[20:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 909996 in b43-fwcutter (Ubuntu) "firmware-b43legacy-installer errors "17: missing" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909996
[22:47] <mfisch> If a bug was filed on an ancient version of some code, and no longer occurs, should it be marked as Invalid or as Fix Released (or something else?)
[22:47] <mfisch> wait!  I found the answer
[22:48] <mfisch> Don't know how I missed that on my first read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status.
[22:48] <mfisch> carry on everyone
[23:32] <hggdh> mfisch: fix released, and a comment it does not happen anymore on such and such version


 Hahaha
 Not Linux birthday
 July or August
 This joke is actually a bit old
 Had me almost posting on social media
 @KMyers does your GS8 have a task-switcher button in Android Auto mode?
 No
 That doesn't frustrate you?
 on Pixel, you can app-switcher, home and get home.
 I can also just activate multi window to bypass that
 how?
 that's just an android auto window in an android auto window.
 that android autoception.
 wait... why am I a recent contact?
 Haxker
 Have you been the one calling me about viagra and cialis?
 I accidentally clicked your name and hung up before it rang you
 Why are you calling petersburg philadelphia?
 It's a gateway
 what happens if I call it?
 better yet, what happens if i write a GScript to repeatedly call it?
 Nothing on both
 I rebooted it.
 Not that I'm complaining, but what made you do that?
 It looked cool, wait until it is done
 https://cults3d.com/en/art/the-sorceress


[01:08] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: Fix https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/43119 (+sourceadmin page is crashing) and changed permission of +reassign product page to launchpad.Admin [rs=salgado]  (r3554: Diogo Matsubara)
[01:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43119 in launchpad "+sourceadmin page is crashing" [Major,Confirmed]
[02:34] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:44] <BlueEagle> "TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported
[02:45] <BlueEagle> Is there a way to work around that? I've tried different locales and keyboard layouts, but to no avail. The dapper installer keeps on giving this traceback.
[02:47] <dsas> BlueEagle: This is the channel for discussing launchpad.net, not ubuntu installer problems.
[02:47] <dsas> (I have no idea)
[02:47] <BlueEagle> oh, ok.
[02:47] <BlueEagle> >(
[02:47] <BlueEagle> :D
[02:47] <BlueEagle> (wrong keyboard layout.)
[02:47] <BlueEagle> hehe
[02:48] <BlueEagle> You all have a pleasant day then.
[03:45] <aa_> hi, are you supporting ability to enter <pre>-style text into comments please?
[05:18] <hub> hi
[05:18] <hub> I'm having trouble assigning upstream fix to myself in launchpad
[05:18] <hub> editstatus does not seems to allow that anymore
[05:18] <hub> (malone)
[05:28] <e2> hello
[05:28] <e2> anyone here?
[05:28] <e2> i am new!!
[07:12] <dsas> hmm, I still haven't got round to using the getmaps thing on windows.
[07:13] <dsas> whoops wrong channel.
[10:48] <mdke> jordi: there is an xubuntu-docs package with a template called desktopguide.pot, if you can approve it when you have a chance, and ping me, I'd appreciate it a lot :)
[11:58] <jordi> mdke: ping
[11:58] <mdke> jordi: pong
[11:59] <jordi> ok, re: xubuntu
[11:59] <jordi> let's have a look
[11:59] <mdke> it's in your queue somewhere
[11:59] <mdke> 2006-05-14 21:03:04 BST
[12:00] <jordi> k
[12:00] <mdke> jordi: can you reject preface.pot for that package
[12:00] <mdke> pls :)
[12:01] <jordi> sure :)
[12:01] <jordi> block or delete?
[12:01] <mdke> i don't know the difference
[12:01] <mdke> both?
[12:02] <jordi> if you want it to be *always* rejected, block
[12:02] <jordi> if you want to get rid of this one because it's fucked or something, delete
[12:02] <mdke> jordi: block :)
[12:03] <jordi> aha
[12:03] <jordi> so it's a pot file in the src package that doesn't need to go in, ever
[12:03] <mdke> it's a duplicate with ubuntu-docs
[12:03] <jordi> presumably because it's the same as in ubuntu-docs
[12:03] <jordi> right
[12:03] <jordi> block then
[12:03] <mdke> thx
[12:04] <jordi> ok, blocked.
[12:04] <jordi> What else


[06:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4404 Diff missing
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4404 Generating diffs
[08:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4404 Successfully built
[08:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4404 Publishing packages
[08:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4404 Proposed pocket
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4402 Proposed pocket (hirsute/bamf). Release pocket (hirsute/autopilot)
[16:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4402 Release pocket
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4404 Release pocket
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- LocutusOfBorg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4379 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (hirsute/node-babel7, hirsute/node-eslint-plugin-es, hirsute/node-eslint-plugin-node, hirsute/node-eslint-utils, hirsute/node-mysticatea-eslint-plugin, hirsute/pkg-js-tools). Successfully built (hirsute/node-regenerator-transform)


[02:44] <Unit193> Any #kubuntu ops here?  Might want to take a look.
[02:45] <Unit193> Heh, that was quick.  Nevermind it'd seem.
[03:02] <valorie> gah, I guess I removed that ban on odsent
[03:02] <valorie> :(
[03:04] <Unit193> No, you still have a quiet and ban set, his IP changed.
[03:05] <Unit193> There's also another ban on 'obsent'
[03:06] <valorie> damn trolls
[04:21] <daftykins> this joker pc_ must be one of those timewasters again, getting terrible advice and lies being spouted here
[04:26] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Thanks.
[04:27] <daftykins> ah forgot you got promoted ;)
[04:28] <daftykins> laters o/
[11:54] <k1l_> does drone tell the user to use a pasteservice on its own?
[11:55] <Unit193> Supposed to via PM.
[11:55] <k1l_> ok
 wuts a ubuntu
[12:20] <DJones> At least they spelt Ubuntu correctly and not the old troll way of ubnutu
[12:20] <bazhang> heh true
[12:21] <bazhang> he's a troll nonetheless
[15:09] <k1l> maliboys account is 4 days old. i suspect its one of the known "but ubunut is not free" trolls
[15:18] <DJones> Also in ##linux, #gnu, #tox, #fsf
[19:58] <Pici> 30 seconds after the ban...
[20:03] <rww> 20:03:19       --> | rww (~rww@ubuntu/member/rww) has joined ##socialism
[20:04] <rww> 20:03 -- Mode ##socialism [+b *!*@ubuntu/member/rww] by zetkin
[20:04] <rww> 20:03 <-- zetkin has kicked rww (rww)
[20:04] <rww> wut.
[20:04] <elky> you clearly counterhacked them
[20:07] <rww> ah, apparently they're getting spammed too.


[07:11] <diplo> Morning all
[07:30] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:08] <davmor2> morning all
[08:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:35] <foobarry> hello. how can i avoid requiring in python "from blah import blah2"
[08:35] <foobarry> i just want import blah2
[08:36] <foobarry> i added the module to the site-packages of the virtualenv
[08:50] <SuperMatt> I've stopped programming in python and moved everything to go
[08:50] <SuperMatt> no need for virtual envs or anything like that
[09:20] <brobostigon> http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/unix_os_related_sticker/geek-inside-sahped-sticker :)
[09:25] <diplo> foobarry: I believe you can just do import blah, you'd just reference it blah.blah2 when calling it instead of blah2() on its own
[09:32] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:35] <SuperMatt> HowDoo MooDoo ?
[09:36] <MooDoo> :)
[09:57] <ali1234> foobarry: diplo is correct. it's all about namespacing. blah is the module and blah2 is an object inside that module
[09:57] <ali1234> you can also say "from blah import *" but that is generally a bad idea since it defeats the purpose of namespacing
[09:58] <ali1234> namespaces can also be nested
[10:01] <diplo> Yeah never done the import * as it may conflict with other imports, or I've worried it has. ali1234 explains it much better than me though :)
[10:28] <foobarry> the scripts already have import blah but i'm finding i need to specify "from meh" first or it doesn't pick it up
[10:31] <diplo> Not sure I've had that before, modules not setup correctly maybe or not declared correctly when calling them is the only things I can think of, no python pro though :)
[10:37] <foobarry> i've worked around it manually in a branch until my python guy returns :D
[10:44] <diplo> :)
[10:47] <foobarry> installing debian MATE on eeepc 701 :D
[10:48] <CoderEurope> garethes' owes: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2017/aug/24/should-i-buy-my-eight-year-old-son-laptop-raspberry-pi-games?
[10:50] <ali1234> that's hilarious
[10:50] <foobarry> wait..why does he want a laptop?
[10:50] <foobarry> doesn't actually state the use-case
[10:50] <ali1234> "no skrub. buy a gamer PC"
[10:51] <foobarry> most home computer desks are worse ergonomically than a laptop at the dining table
[10:51] <foobarry> i get a feeling this was just a fake article to get sponsored clucks
[10:57] <foobarry> oh no , disgusting eater is slurping and crunching again
[10:57] <foobarry> how can a grown man make noise eating pistachios that is heard 40ft away?
[10:58] <diplo> That would be my dad too, it annoys the living hell out of me
[10:58] <foobarry> he eats with his mouth open?
[10:58] <foobarry> this guys an animal
[10:59] <diplo> Yup, as does my sister but I rarely see her. My kids have a go at them too, doesn't stop them doing it.
[10:59] <foobarry> :S
[10:59] <diplo> I can't remember him doing it when I was a kid though
[10:59] <diplo> Maybe I just didn't take any notice
[11:00] <foobarry> i have misonophobia i think
[11:00] <foobarry> basically it annoys the heck out of me
[11:00] <foobarry> and i get murderous thought
[11:02] <diplo> I do too! Lets kill them together
[11:02] <diplo> :P
[11:05] <foobarry> also have 2 loud howards
[11:11] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfuxPhtU1Hk
[11:32] <ali1234> firefox 55 is really crashy :(
[11:46] <diplo> I've not found it to much myself on this box, but running 56 b1 on my windows box which is more my primary
[11:46] <ali1234> It's crashed like 10 times this morning. i installed it yesterday
[11:47] <ali1234> also google maps = insta crash every time, even with HWA disabled
[11:47] <diplo> I'll try that now
[11:48] <ali1234> i suspect it is because i am using the nvidia beta driver with vulkan... but disabling HWA should fix that so idk
[11:48] <ali1234> also it never caused a problem before
[11:48] <diplo> Ah I'm on intel graphics, but yeah fine here on googly maps
[12:07] <foobarry> 6 years ago today i bought a hp touchpad. so facebook tells me
[12:08]  * zmoylan-pi cues wonderyears grainy shaky footage of foobarry opening his hp touchpad...
[12:08] <foobarry> its quite blurry due to potatocam
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> in it's defenese it's not vertical phonecam...
[13:01] <MooDoo>  /quit
[13:01] <MooDoo> oops
[13:02] <diplo> hah
[13:29] <foobarry> nice try
[13:29] <foobarry> oh he did :|
[14:06] <diplo> Mount a share as cifs with a folder full of csvs, get a prompt to run / display blah rather than opening Libre Calc ( which is the default app already selected ) yet via smb:// it opens as expected
[14:07] <diplo> Need cifs to be able to attach files from share directly into thunderbird, 12 year old bug
[14:07] <diplo> My google fu is failing if anyone has any pointers
[15:15] <foobarry> can i not download a video from google photos? weird
[15:16] <foobarry> hmm maybe its on timelapse
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> it's to teach you basic hacking skills to find extensions to download videos of the web... we'll make a hacker of you yet
[15:20] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/X9winwW6zigAPWyb7 can u see this?
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> 22s video of a bunch of pis... unlogged into google on vivaldi on linux
[15:24] <foobarry> and the magic screen
[15:25] <diplo> youtube-dl download it ?
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> flushing out any photosensitive epileptics...
[15:25] <foobarry> this screen is amazing
[15:25] <foobarry> LED display
[15:27] <diddledan> managed to sneakily find it with some hacking:
[15:27] <diddledan> https://r3---sn-aigllnzy.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?id=94050d6b0ed65fde&itag=18&source=picasa&begin=0&requiressl=yes&mm=30&mn=sn-aigllnzy&ms=nxu&mv=u&pl=41&sc=yes&ei=Y_CeWeajFMfKVsLwizg&mime=video/mp4&lmt=1503587507977246&mt=1503588308&ip=2001:8b0:17b0:d4d:21da:fda1:f825:b8d4&ipbits=48&expire=1503595651&sparams=ip,ipbits,expire,id,itag,source,requiressl,mm,mn,ms,mv,pl,sc,ei,mime,lmt&signature=4B683BC1F4405AE9E7
[15:27] <diddledan> 2B319CA69A3E1D1A105F33.6BE9F485CB9222A3B94FC49416D4FD9E589BCDF7&key=ck2
[15:27] <diddledan> ergh
[15:27] <diddledan> evil
[15:28] <diddledan> let me shorten that
[15:28] <diddledan> go.bwlh.at/2wBC66I
[15:30] <diddledan> aah, you can download with the "three-vertical-dots menu" top-right
[15:31] <diddledan> what happens if I click "join"?
[15:31] <foobarry> ah its just appeared
[15:32] <foobarry> must have been processing. wasn't there before
[15:33] <diddledan> impressive display for a 16x16 pixie
[15:34] <foobarry> and has its own arm chip so offloads any compute work
[15:35] <diddledan> arm chips end up in everything
[15:36] <diddledan> like "you want to write to disks" gets answered with "ok, that cpu you have. make it send the data to this bus address where an HBA which is actaully another different computer will pick it up and do stuff with it and send it to individual disks which are also computers ..."
[15:37] <foobarry> the python to do all the shiny stuff is about 10 lines liong
[15:37] <diddledan> it seems that every individual component is what would be considered a complete computer in the past
[15:37] <foobarry> plus a py module
[15:37] <ali1234> all the magic is in the STM32 firmware
[15:39] <foobarry> its quite cheap too
[15:39] <diddledan> peripherals and stuff you plug into computing devices these days are exactly the same as the "Windows PC Card for your Mac" that got sold for PPC macs in the 90s
[15:40] <diddledan> in concept, I mean. doing a complete pc to do the job that your complete pc can't do
[15:41] <ali1234> computers would be hilariously slow if that wasn't the case
[15:42] <diddledan> yes, but we've moved on from ASICs to using general purpose cpus to do the job that the general purpose cpu can't do
[15:42] <ali1234> extreme example: the zx80 could only execute instructions during the vertical blank period
[15:43] <ali1234> either that, or display a blank screen :)
[15:43] <diddledan> i.e. we're doing turtles all the way down now
[15:43] <diddledan> nothing is application-specific anymore
[15:46] <ali1234> that's not what ASIC means, but okay
[15:47] <diddledan> ASIC = Application Specific Integrated Circuit
[15:48] <ali1234> the FTL controller in an SSD is pretty application-specific
[15:50] <ali1234> in any case, it's not really a new trend. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_1541
[15:56] <davmor2> man it is funny when you add email to fail2ban till you realise the quantity is dos'ing your server :D
[15:57] <diddledan> davmor2: ouch
[15:57] <diddledan> davmor2: sounds like someone's hitting you hard?
[15:57] <davmor2> diddledan: turned off email it is fine now :D
[15:57] <diddledan> lol
[15:58] <diddledan> is that like "cutting off your nose in order to spite your face?"
[15:59] <davmor2> diddledan: it's the fact the email consists of getting a whois on all banned ip's, I can look at the log still and manually whois but I got 1416 emails in under 30seconds
[16:00] <davmor2> mostly china
[16:01] <diddledan> I really feel sorry for the majority of chinese people who are decent folk because of their association with "chinese hackers all the time!" means many westerners decide to outright block the entire country
[16:02] <davmor2> diddledan: I think fail2ban is doing that for me ;)
[16:02] <diddledan> haha
[16:03] <davmor2> diddledan: first 20 and last 20, 39 are from china 1 from indonesia
[16:04] <diddledan> jeez.


 Has there already been a Russian translation of the ut UI? I am able to make one.
 Another question: isn't it a security hole if no matter what username you enter during installation, it gets set to 'phablet'? With a weak enough password (especially this 4 digit long PIN) an attacker might be able to recover it. Please comment.
 You aren't creating a username, you're adding your preferred name.
 Your username is always `phablet`. And very short passwords have always been rather insecure.
 @inchw0rm, translate.ubports.com
 @UniversalSuperBox, Those freaky Russians tho, omg they're so fast in picking up translations. I ducking hate 'em. Cyka
 Uh
 @UniversalSuperBox, Kiddin' sry
 @Stereofont, Are you sure? All I heard is that Halium is build to run on Z4 Tablet Compact, not on Z2 Tablet Compact? :-)
 Hi!  … i need help... ><  … i made these: … systemimage … hybris-boot …  soo …  how can i make ubuntu? …  i dont got it..  … https://github.com/Halium/rootfs-builder/blob/ubuntu/build.sh … http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/Distribution.html#startup-sequence
 @inchw0rm, You’re a sensitive boy, ain’t you Tommy?
[07:27] <tgBot3> Mental Ataxia was added by: Mental Ataxia
[07:28] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Sup all! … Is there any specific channel where I can ask a few questions about Ubuntu Touch? :)
 this is probably the place
 @Mental Ataxia, Welcome Mental ! … Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for some basic information, feel free to ask here!🙂
 @Mental Ataxia, Hi … https://t.me/WelcomePlus
[07:33] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Thanks guys! I'll give the welcome page a look and will ask questions soon! :)
 ... or not ;)
[07:33] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> We'll see ;p
 Stats.ubports.com is down
[07:49] <tgBot3> VYCPTI77NM was added by: VYCPTI77NM
 Does Ubuntu Phone support the Telegram or Signal apps in OS?
 @VYCPTI77NM, Yes
 👍
 Telegram no pblm
 but signal... I'm not sure
 Did you know that Signal is available as a native Ubuntu Touch app? … Today an update was released for Signal which now has a passphrase-secured message storage which you can activate under the preferences. … Enjoy and thanks to Aaron Kimmig for the hard work on this. … https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/textsecure.nanuc … #ubports -app
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: Did you know that Signal is available as a native Ubuntu Touch app? … Today an update was released for Signal which now has a passphrase-secured message storage which you can activate under the preferences. … Enjoy and thanks to Aaron Kimmig for the hard work on this. … https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/textsecure.nanuc … #ubports -app
 Hi @VYCPTI77NM! I'm parrt of the Welcoming Team. To get up to speed, please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome. Be careful with the Signal app though, it doesn't supported logging in other devices and even logs you out on existing connected ones.
 Awesome, good to know. Thanks you three
 Just installed UT on my old Nexus 5
 looks much nicer than last time I tried it, about a year ago
[08:28] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Okay guys, few questions: … 1 - Are Web-based apps usable? Can one create shortcuts for these? Will they run on phone and in convergence? … 2 - I see the Wire messaging app hasn't migrated from the Ubuntu store over to the OpenApps store. Any chance I can get it running with Anbox? … 3 - Does the Fairphone 2 support convergence? (I saw it for the Nexus 5, but unsure about the Fairphone) … 4 - Is OpenVPN available? I went through the f
[08:28] <tgBot3> threads regarding it, but a straight up answer would be appreciated. … 5 - What is the current state of convergence? What I mean is, is it something you guys actually use?  … 6 - What's the status of web browser addons?  … 7 - Considering the reach of Appimages, are there any plans to support it or shift focus from snaps to appimages? I understand there may be underlying compatibiltiy reasons for not switching, just looking to understand the landscape
[08:28] <tgBot3> Considering Ubuntu is running on the phone, is it fair to expect that most things that run on ubuntu desktop will run the same way on the phone and in convergence? I don't mean they will work, I simply mean, in the background, they run the same way, even if unstable. This gives me a picture of how the underlying OS runs, in comparison to what we actually get shown to us. … I don't mind having to do research and workarounds to fix things, been used to it as
[08:28] <tgBot3> user, I really need something new and different to scratch that itch, and perhaps I'll even find I can contribute to the project. Just looking to see which phone I should go for, and what I can expect in a fair way. My main messaging app is Wire, so clearly I already feel somewhat crippled, but willing to give it a go nonetheless. … Thanks in advance!
[08:31] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> One last thing, the Nexus 5 is supported, what about the 5X?
[08:42] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Now I feel stupid, question 1 partially answered in the Ubuntu Touch Documentation :)
 i'll answer 3: convergence through cable is (currently!) only supported on the nexus 5. the other more powerfull phones can do it wireless through aethercast (miracast) with a ~100ms delay
 it only runs on the nexus 5 because it requires specific hardwarae
 nexus 5X will probably be available at some point in the future when we've migrated onto 16.04 through halium, but eta's are impossible
 5x won't do convergence though
 @rogieroudshoorn, Is the opo one of those powerfull phones?
 i think so, but i don't own one myself so don't take just my word for it
[08:56] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Interesting. What the progress like on Halium and its integration?
 FP2 one of the powerful ones?
 i think so, but i don't own one myself so don't take just my word for it
 i only own a weak one (BQ E4.5)
[09:10] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> @rogieroudshoorn What's your experience been like?
 considering the stupidly bad hardware, that phone is surprisingly usefull
 Well, it's weak, but I love my BQ4.5...😎
 most things "just work", and it is a proper linux machine
[09:12] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> That's really good to hear.
 personally i'd love to see it on high-end convergent hardware
[09:13] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Before Ubuntu Touch, were you an Android or iOS user? Or something else?
 Android (LineageOS)
[09:15] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> How was the switch, especially when it comes to apps?
 i don't use that many, and even i had to do commandline stuff to get CARDDAV running to my nextcloud
 no comparision to ios/android
 when anbox is introduced, it'll massively help
 @ignorare, I checked the official list. Anyone porting who hasn't added details should do so
[09:27] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Yeah, I was wondering what the progress on it is like.
 @Mental Ataxia, Not yet but very likely will be in future
 @Mental Ataxia, That is pretty much a book. Don't expect direct equivalence between Ubuntu Touch and 'desktop' distros. As with Anbox, expect some things to work the same out if the box, others to work but not have full functionality, others really nothing at all
 Hack around and extend on a case by case basis but move away away from 'daily user' mode in the process
 There is an app for making webapps
 uMatriks Marius does video chat for now
 putting anbox on ubuntu touch is the best thing that was done
 Early convergence relied on some hacks which have degraded as development has progressed. When 16.04 is stable, convergence can be built up again, in a more solid fashion
 I seriously think we should donate some money to the Anbox developers...
 Maybe some crowdfunding or something like this. They are doing an amazing job and refresh the whole market!
 Even proprietary companies like Jolla will take profit out of their work...
 哎呀
 你们总是搞事
 There is a limited implementation of VPN in the OpenStore
 @Stereofont 大佬
 带带我啊
 行不行啊
 @ignorare, Jolla already brings alien dalvik, a compatibility layer
 English only please..
 不会英语啊   @vanyasem
 怎么办？
 Firefox is not a serious option at the moment. We use a modified Chromium. Future may be WebKit from Qt 5.9?
 do you know chinese?  @vanyasem
 @Jorge, Sure, but in future they also have to switch to Anbox, because AlienDalvik is not supported anymore and already out of date...
 @Rekols, Only English is allowed in this chat. No, I don't speak Chinese.  Snaps, Appimages and KDE packages all in play for the future but not decided. We have to get 16.04 stable before adding stuff. Also some phones have little space!
 Russian is No.1
 ha ha ha
 yes?
 Piciu
 @ignorare, It would be great to make a talk or agreement with Jolla to improve the Anbox and so both Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch win, even desktop distributions would also benefit
 Guys, could you please stop spamming this channel?
 Я люблю Китай
 Я люблю Китай, Я люблю Китай! Я люблю Китай !!
 I Love US and China, don
 😕
 dont't like russian
 China no esta mal
 @ignorare, +1
 @Jorge, Yeah! But I am not sure what we can expect from Jolla in future, due to their focus on corporate markets...
 Assad kun la tempo
 @vanyasem, @Flohack
 +1 s.
 wow it is woner
 my english is very very bad.
[09:47] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> @Stereofont Thanks for the tidbit answers :)
 @ignorare, very true, 64 bit support in applications is winning and kitkat does not have it
 Russian is NO.1  ?
 @Mental Ataxia, Welcome. I will leave tethering and cli to others with practical experience of those
[09:49] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> What happens when trying to use .deb packages? Does it simply not work, or is it just highly unstable?
 @Stereofont, iirc florian is travelling somewhere
 @Mental Ataxia, Kris Jace has written on his blog about hacking the system. Expect temporary, unstable and reliant on high end knowledge.  Users are free to hack as they like but you are on your own with that stuff
 @Stereofont, could you link me to Kris's blog?
[09:52] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> @Lion
 https://kriscode.blogspot.co.uk
 @ignorare, You have to know how to "sell", because those who have more knowledge about Ubuntu, which is where Anbox works best, are the developers of Ubport, and to support Snap as well. And Jolla has the disadvantage of 64 bit applications. They can provide their services to adapt Anbox and Snap to Sailfish.
 @Mental Ataxia, The default recommendation is: "don't": The OTA updates mechanism doesn't expect "external" changes to the system. So it is theoretically possible for things to break after the next update. (How acceptable that risk is is up to the user.)
 Usual disclaimers apply. Free choice but none of it 'supported'
[09:55] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> @Lion
[09:56] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> @alan_griffiths, Makes sense, as expected. Thank you :)
 How does one install a click file?
 (Sticker, 490x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kbASGve0/file_3794
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0AkabGOn/file_3795.webp
 @berchio, You can install it using OpenStore app, whether the click is in the OpenStore or not
 (Sticker, 512x507) https://irc.ubports.com/fQoeZRLo/file_3796.webp
[10:07] <tgBot3> sap_nocops was added by: sap_nocops
 @Stereofont, Chromium = Google Win
 @Stereofont, Agree. … AFAIK, 16.04 is the minimal Ubuntu to run Snaps
 (Sticker, 453x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0c0sqmtO/file_3797
 @Jorge, Chromium, not Chrome. Chromium is Open Source
 @Stereofont, but Google is the most influential and in the long term they win
 @Jorge, I'm curious if it really matters though. Even if either party can benefit, is that a problem? Can't both benefit?
 and the world moves by interest
 Maybe Chrom(e | ium) gets more attention. Maybe it gets additional dev support. But it also does the job it needs to do for this without making the kind of data-mongering sacrifices people don't want, isn't that a good thing?
 @Jorge, Of course :)
 @Jorge, Google practically own planet Earth so … but we pick up some of the free scraps they drop from their table
 Lionelb: … Google practically own planet Earth so … but we pick up some of the free scraps they drop from their table
 @Stereofont, I really think that with Firefox it is better and thanks to Quantum especially, it is very promising for the future. It is necessary to demonstrate differentiation, and if they use Chromium the user will perceive the same as always where something different is looked for
 @Jorge, There android browser is still sluggish xs
 @Jorge, Firefox is quite greedy for resources so it doesn't work brilliantly on phones. That is why Ubuntu Touch uses something more lightweight
 @alan_griffiths No, the default answer/recommendation should be to talk about Libertine, which is eminently safe and easy to recommend, before talking about actually making the system writable and directly installing .debs.
 ...which is not those things.
 @Stereofont, Leightweight like helium! Everytime I close the browser, my FP2 becomes so heavy that I drop it to the floor which results in a reboot. ;-)
 @sap_nocops, Hello Lorenzo and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Daniel, Sneeze and it reboots 😂
 @Stereofont, Is that feature ... or a bug?😏
 Hi, everyone! Does anyone know is there used fairphone 2 to buy on eBay... or somewhere else?
 i'd check on ebay
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, I was lucky enough to find one with a third-party dealer. Fairphone sell reconditioned phones but the price is still quite high
 @Dejavu_Dmitry, There might be even page on fairphone pages with second hand FP2
 (Sticker, 512x372) https://irc.ubports.com/S0XYZsK1/file_3798
[13:25] <tgBot3> k1ttens was added by: k1ttens
 @k1ttens, Hello Kittens. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
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 @Dejavu_Dmitry, Also, I heard that if you know someone who has a FF2, he can get you a discount when ordering.
[15:18] <tgBot3> AadithyaMD was added by: AadithyaMD
 Seems like changing cpu governor (to conservative) helps save battery when using N5. I had problem that  in light usage phone heated a lot and I monitored cpu frequency while using phone, it was mostly full frequency even I played some simpke game. Now it stays cool and doenst hog my battery. Still needs more testing though and playing with different settings..
 @Jorge, maybe talking with people developing Librem phone could also be helpful, even they are also devoloping a phone running linux so, anbox could be benificial for them as well.
 @AadithyaMD, it is true, they seem more flexible
 @AadithyaMD, Hello Aadithya. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @samitormanen, how can you do that?
 @Stereofont, thanks
 @AadithyaMD, Anything we can help you with?
[17:08] <tgBot3> FloriH was added by: FloriH
 hello everyone
 @andreasimonetti, It is not hard. Just couple of terminal commands or premade script.. I make simple guide to forums.
 @andreasimonetti, I'm interested, too. My N5 battery drains pretty well, 24hrs is the max it lasts :-/.
 @samitormanen, thank you a lot!
 @FloriH, welcome flo!
 Can you recommend a device for me? I would Like to Test Ubuntu Touch and hopefully Switch completely
 I saw that the oneplus one is relative cheap. I would prefer the fairphone 2. But its currently only on waiting list
 @FloriH, Hello Flo2. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @FloriH, OnePlusOne would be a good choice. In a year, you could look again, with probably a much wider range of devices available
[17:28] <tgBot3> <Seshan Ravikumar> Hmm, is it possible to run Ubuntu Touch on QEMU/KVM?
 Hello Flo, there are lots of cheap Nexus 5 second hand on ebay. I just got one for 70€. It's certainly not high end, but Uuntu Touch runs smoothly.
 @ruedigerkupper @Stereofont thanks a Lot :)
 Would a Nexus 5x also work?
 @Seshan Ravikumar, No. You can run unity8 on 16.04 in kvm though. Some differences from a phone/tablet
 @FloriH, Not sure, but I think not.
 Would a Nexus 5x also work?
 Ok THX :)
 @FloriH, Not yet, though it is a device high up the list of those that will probably be added
 @FloriH, a user called "will O" was working at it but i don't know about the status..
 I will Check Forums tomorrow, maybe i find anything
 Does the oneplus one support LXC libertine container?
 Guys can somenone tell me why the lasted image 16.04 for a PRO 5 are broke as i try yesterday again to flash the lasted image but i get a black screen when reboot, when i use revision 14 it works....I know there is a lot go on the 16.04 but ...
 Hi! I have problem, maybe you can help me out: … I have an E5 with UBports, but with broken screen (digitizier still working), with developer mode off. There is any way for me to access it (adb, ssh, phablet-shell)? Since developer mode is off apperently I can't, but that means I have to trash the device...
 Lock screen security is set as swipe only
 connect and OTG mouse?
 *an
 the digitizer works, is the lcd to be broken
 oh, so you can't see anything? but touch screen wotks?
 yes
 I see, then try to reboot, and after a while, visualize on how you can get to the settings and enable dev mode...sound hilarious but I think it's doable 😁
 I tried it's not easy at all😕
 I don't mind reflashing or anything, just to get it in a state where I can access it
 @TronFortyTwo, No, it's not easy, I just tried. You'd need a step-by-step explainatiob where to click an probably screenshots of all stages....
 Might be easier replacing the display.
 Is Xenial uniformly unstable across devices, or are some more stable than others? Keeping it simple, how about turbo vs cooler?
 @TronFortyTwo, You could try flashing it with option --developer-mode
 @ruedigerkupper, If it's really important, I could provide screenshots. But it all still be difficult.
 @FloriH, There will be new Fairphones in stock in their store in two days. … If they become sold out quickly, you can always check their partner stores at https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/218186563-Fairphone-store-locator … Or check their unofficial market for used phones at https://forum.fairphone.com/c/market
[19:03] <CoderEurope> Does Ubports work o Fairphone 1 ?
[19:03] <CoderEurope> **work on .......
 @samitormanen, Wow, very interesting!
[19:09] <CoderEurope> repeat : Does Ubports work on Fairphone 1 ?
 @Xray2000 I think this is the bug reported here:
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/425
 @TartanSpartan, Yes i have see it also thanks
 I hope the fix it soon... ;)
 Me too although I'm still on Vivid.
 Coder only Fairphone 2 is supported
 Has anyone noticed with the handy "reply to SMS via notifications drop down" utility, the "hold space bar to manipulate cursor position" doesn't work?
 @Ingo_FP_Angel Ah nice. Thank you very much
 @TartanSpartan, Iirc is working on my n5
 Test it, it doesn't on my Pro 5.
 @ch, That wold make me able to set develoer mode in some way?
[19:33] <tgBot3> onbox was added by: onbox
[19:34] <CoderEurope> I cannot search the forums! So, @mariusgrips Does Ubports work on the Fairphone 1 ?
 @TronFortyTwo, Yes, but you need passphrase or pin too, so you won't be able to unlock the screen then, or accept the auth dialog on the phone
 @CoderEurope, You can find all the neccessary information on https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch (given it's kept up to date) … Fairphone 1 is neither one of the core devices (FP2 is) nor in the legacy list. Without looking at the specs or having done deeper research, I guess it could simply not be powerful enough
[19:41] <CoderEurope> well I can buy one for £100 - so why not ?
 If the device is not on the supported devices list, it will not work.
 @TronFortyTwo, manpage of ubuntu-device-flash says so: "Enables  developer mode after the factory reset ... (requires --password)"
[19:43] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Is there any way to cast the screen of a Hammerhead to a display without a cable? Perhaps SSH with X11 forwarding? Or something simpler?
[19:46] <CoderEurope> Okay so I have £250 - what phone *should* I go for, then ?
 @onbox, Hello Jafar. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 Coder. Probably a OnePlusOne or a Nexus 5. Not Nexus 5X
[19:52] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> Just bought an N5 myself :) can't wait to fiddle with ir
 @ch @dohbee oh, fair enought! Thanks, I'll try setting a easy enought password to type bindly and try
 @Mental Ataxia, some info here: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/screencasting.html
 One question I want answered more urgently than my prior ones today is:
[20:03] <tgBot3> <Mental Ataxia> @lduboeuf  Thank you very much!
 Is the Libertine app broken for anyone else? The GUI program I mean. I click it, it flashes the top hat logo and immediately reverts to the app list. This is frustrating as it allowed an easy way to add new PPAs and search the archives for a particular program. Easier than CLI interaction.
 I've asked that a couple of days ago, but I don't think an answer was provided.
 Maybe your container cofig file is corrupted?
 It could be. How can I navigate to look at it?
 @TartanSpartan, Is that app available anywhere now? It's not on the openstore that I can see.
 the file is … ```~/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json```
 cat it, so I check it
 @padraic7a, It's a .deb
 Afaik, it installs when you make the image writable. Yes.
 Rather than being in Openstore.
 Ah I was a bit freaked out that I had never seen the chance to install it.
[20:13] <CoderEurope> Does the One plus ONE have an micro sd card slot ?
 Various guides around as to how to do it.
 Does anyone have a link to a guide to install that app and/or a link to the.deb
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/833/installation-of-convergence-desktop-apps-in-ubports-ota-3/12
 Coder. DuckDuckGo. However, no it does not
 @TartanSpartan, Thank you
 Yeah I installed different libertine containers but never went and made the image rw. I'll have a go now.
 No problem :)
 You should only need to do that to obtain this GUI program I think, then you can make it read only again.
 So from what i read you can't use apt with ubports?
 You can, but it's not recommended.
 https://pastebin.com/iV8gbh7X
 @TronFortyTwo sorry I didn't know what you'd want to see specifically via cat so gave the whole thing.
 oh no problem it was not essential at all
 @UniversalSuperBox, Why isn't it recommended?
 Also this is the same behaviour for M10, Pro 5 and (I think) MX4.
 You sure it does start on your device(s)? Test please.
 @XavierXX, Your changes will be overwritten on an update and the things you install will be unconfined
 @TartanSpartan, Anyway the file it's ok. Maybe if you can post a log?
 Talk me through that please?
 Is libertine available to install anymore? … $ apt-cache search libertine gets the following results: … python3-libertine - Python3 scripts for the Libertine application sandbox … gir1.2-libertine - GObject introspection files for the Libertine application sandbox … python3-libertine-chroot - Python3 scripts for the Libertine application sandbox … libertine-tools - CLI tools for running deb-packaged X11 apps on Ubuntu Personal … libli
[20:25] <tgBot3> for running deb-packaged X11 apps on Ubuntu Personal … Could that be the cause of your issue Seamus?
 @TartanSpartan, In the openstore there is a Log viewer app,
 I'm not sure why that would be a problem if I had already installed it across all my devices. But unsure if you still can install it presently.
 Installing Logviewer and will have a peek.
 E.g. For application-legacy-libertine-1516040605783394.log:
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/26393827/
 @TartanSpartan, So which of the 3 links should i follow the directions from and i don't see a gui app referenced anywhere
[20:35] <CoderEurope> So what sub £250 can I use with Ubports that *does* have a microSD card ?
 Meizu Pro 5.
 @XavierXX I recommend:
 http://notyetthere.org/installing-more-puritine-apps-on-the-m10/
 And:
 http://kylenubuntu.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/running-x-apps-on-ubuntu-devices.html
 Kk ;)
 And another question does the oneplus one support LXC Containers?
 If all goes well, adb shelling to your device via a desktop, the GUI app should install and hopefully work unlike mine at present.
 I don't know about that question.
 @TartanSpartan, Very strange? there are other application-legacy-libertine-something?
 @TronFortyTwo how about that log, then?
 Let me reboot my Pro 5 and just run Libertine to help narrow this down.
 This is all there is soon after rebooting...
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/pvfgnsRm/file_3808.jpg
 I'll ask again, can anyone confirm that the GUI is working for them as of now?
 This guy at the top, I mean:
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nq7MR16a/file_3810.jpg
 Anyone?
 Sorry, if the log is that I don't see what might be the problem :(
 I guess not very many people have it installed.
 I put that in a search engine and bugs from various other Linux projects came up. One suggested it might be a Python problem.
 But Emanuele you use Libertine yourself, right?
 @samitormanen, can you send me a link please? I can't find it...
 @TartanSpartan, Yes, but from the terminal
 So you don't have the GUI program?
 No; but actually my ubuntu phone is broken now, so is more a I used to not have it.
 I see.
 (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/mdtUqm9c/file_3814.jpg
 Now i have to figure out how to install more apps
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Hibxvccx/file_3815.gz
 Oh anbox on which phone are you running it?
 @TartanSpartan yep, I've used guilty programs on it
 Gui
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/aRmyHMmu/file_3817.jpg
 @XavierXX on the bq m10 fhd
 No you misunderstand. I mean the GUI wrapper for installing programs, not individial GUI programs.
 But to be clear. I can go without the GUI. Can install the with the CLI. The GUI is just more convenient in some ways, and more informative. I hope we can make it work again.
 There has been some work on the relevant github. Don't know if it sheds any light... https://github.com/ubports/libertine/commits/xenial
 Are any of those developers in this group?
 Ah, that program
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/vwfOjqXx/file_3819.jpg
 It's so weird though. Shouldn't it mostly be an offline program? It shouldn't be dependent on work on github to run. I have no idea what caused it to crash.
 Yes Mateo exactly. So it works for you? Why not for my devices arrrrrggggh.
 So that one isn't working in xenial ?
 No, I am using Vivid. Not Xenial.
 I'm still on canonical with my pro 5...
 Set it up before they switched the servers
 I have the URLs pointing at old-releases if that means anything.
 I will turn on my MX4 (it's been powered off for several days) and test to see if it also has the bug.


[01:29] <hatter> can anyone here give me a clue as to why samba woould periodically lag for 40 seconds ?
[01:29] <hatter> its only happening on my ubuntu boxes :(
[05:57] <jeos_newbie> has anyone used  7.10 jeos?
[06:49] <osmosis_> apt-get upgrade   shows a new  xen-image-2.6.19-4-server  package. How do I figure out what changed before I install it?
[06:53] <antdedyet> osmosis_: I don't really like the way this answer tied together, but http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xen-source/xen-source_2.6.19-2ubuntu7/changelog might provide the info you desire.
[08:17] <antdedyet> building and installing a custom <IP_ADDRESS> kernel package fixed kvm whoas I mentioned here last night..
[08:19] <soren> antdedyet: When was "last night"?
[08:22] <antdedyet> [23:57] < antdedyet> Hrmmph... kvm reboots my machine when I run an image.
[08:22] <antdedyet> [23:59] * antdedyetheads off to ubuntuforums.org
[08:22] <antdedyet> Day changed to 09 Dec 2007
[08:22] <soren> antdedyet: Gutsy?
[08:22] <antdedyet> before the custom kernel image, it was running the packaged desktop gutsy kernel
[08:22] <antdedyet> soren: yes
[08:22] <soren> Ok.
[08:23] <soren> Any image?
[08:23] <soren> Or a specific one?
[08:24] <antdedyet> soren: any image probably. It did it with at least 3: win vista home 32-bit, debian etch, or nexenta
[08:25] <soren> Intel hardware?
[08:25] <antdedyet> soren: amd ... dell vostro 1000 notebook
[08:26] <soren> I see. I haven't had a chance to test with amd hardware.
[08:26] <soren> Could you do me favour and boot the original gutsy kernel, run "sudo m-a a-i kvm; sudo depmod -a ; sudo rmmod kvm ; sudo rmmod kvm-amd ; sudo modprobe kvm-amd" and try again?
[08:26] <soren> Just for fun?
[08:32] <antdedyet> Booting it up...
[08:32] <soren> Thanks
[08:48] <antdedyet> soren: The virtual machine is running fine on 2.6.22-generic now. kvm loads the nexenta install dvd and an already installed gutsy server image. It's probably worth noting that after the kernel upgrade this morning, I did an update to ubuntu 8.04a1, which includes a pretty hefty version jump in kvm. The kvm package upgrade's probably where the real fix came in at.
[08:48] <antdedyet> 'cept Nexenta has been loading for about 5 minutes, heh.
[08:48] <soren> antdedyet: Ah, you said you were running gutsy.
[08:49] <soren> antdedyet: WEll, you didn't, but your answer sort of implied it :)
[08:49] <antdedyet> soren: I was until about 5am this morning. :)
[08:49] <antdedyet> soren: yeah, sorry
[08:49] <soren> antdedyet: Well, in that case, the above test was quite useless :)
[08:51] <antdedyet> soren: what renders the method useless in hardy alpha 1?
[08:51] <soren> antdedyet: The fact that you're not testing gutsy which was what I was interested in :)
[08:53] <antdedyet> soren: eheh, I'm interested in upcoming releases because I know from experience very little gets fixed in stable releases with the exception of security 'spoits.
[08:53] <soren> antdedyet: Indeed. For good reasons.
[08:54] <antdedyet> soren: yep!
[08:55] <soren> antdedyet: I'm working on kvm a lot this release, so to have you around to give me feedback about how it works out on amd hardware would be *really* helpful.
[08:55] <soren> antdedyet: Well, even just a best-effort promise to file bug reports if it breaks would be lovely.
[08:59] <antdedyet> soren: Sure. I can dedicate some time for that.
[09:00] <soren> antdedyet: Great!
[10:28] <antdedyet> soren: when booting kvm up for an install with a ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 image, the boot menu doesn't show up; it's just a plain black screen. I hit enter to continue with the installation, having seen the menu before but to others it could definately look like a lockup.
[10:29] <soren> antdedyet: Which iso ?
[10:29] <soren> antdedyet: Oh, never mind.
[10:29] <soren> antdedyet: That should be fixed with the daily CD's.
[10:38] <antdedyet> grabbing hardy-server-i386.iso for 12/10 to test with
[11:03] <antdedyet> soren: nice, it works.
[11:04] <antdedyet> time for sleep.
[11:04] <soren> I'm glad to hear that.
[11:04] <soren> antdedyet: Thanks very much!
[11:58] <Gargoyle> greetings fellow freenoders!
[15:30] <zul> dendrobates: ping
[15:30] <dendrobates> zul: yep
[15:30] <zul> dendrobates: some xen info for you http://pastebin.com/m2de00eee
[15:31] <zul> in other words things just got easier again
[15:32] <dendrobates> zul: cool thanks.
[17:22] <nealmcb> zul: thanks for the fedora xen plan update and  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvops    Will hardy depend on their kernel work?
[18:07] <nictuku> wiki.ubuntu.com is down? "Internal Server Error"
[18:07] <nictuku> worked now. :-)
[20:09] <kraut> moin
[20:10] <sommer> hello
[20:12] <okaratas> hello
[20:22] <nealmcb> saluton
[20:27] <ScottK> Salut
[20:47] <sommer> if I mount /mnt/cheese to a nfs share on another machine, is it correct to say that /mnt/cheese is a "remotely mounted file system"?
[20:53] <mralphabet> yes
[20:53] <mralphabet> though as much as I love cheese, I am not sure I would ever mnt it.
[20:54] <sommer> mralphabet: lol... you never know until you try!
[20:54] <mralphabet> I do like me some good swiss cheese
[20:55]  * mralphabet looks for the line
[20:55]  * mralphabet thinks he saw it somewhere behind him.
[20:59] <nealmcb> sommer: I'm confused.  I'm guessing that it is the other way around - you're mounting the nfs share on to /mnt/cheese  and  /mnt/cheese is the local mount point, and the remote file system is.. the remotely mounted file system....
[21:00] <nealmcb> though "remotely mounted" is a matter of perspective I guess - more context would help
[21:00] <sommer> nealmcb: yes /mnt/cheese is the local mount point.
[21:01] <sommer> basically you mount a directory shared by another computer... does that mean the local mount point is now remotely mounted?
[21:01] <sommer> not sure if that makes sense... heh
[21:01] <nealmcb> who is doing the sharing.  use some host names
[21:02] <nealmcb> are there 3 hosts?
[21:02] <sommer> 2 hosts hosta sharing /home/steve and hostb is mounting the share to /mnt/cheese
[21:03] <sommer> I'm just wondering what the correct terminalogy is for /mnt/cheese
[21:03] <nealmcb> the mount point is a local directory.  the stuff that appears under it is from the remote file system
[21:03] <nealmcb> the mounting itself is local
[21:04] <nealmcb> "remotely mounted" is still confusing me and seems unnecessary
[21:04] <sommer> does "remote file system" make more sense?
[21:04] <nealmcb> a sentence would help
[21:05] <nealmcb> but it sounds better offhand
[21:05] <sommer> nealmcb: The archive can also be created on a remotely mounted file system  such as an NFS mount.
[21:05] <sommer> I'm working on a backup section for the serverguide
[21:08] <nealmcb> yeah - "remote file system" or "file system mounted from another machine"
[21:10] <sommer> nealmcb: cool, that sounds better to me to.
[21:10] <sommer> thanks man
[21:10] <nealmcb> hey - you're doing the work :-)  thanks
[21:59] <Goosemoose> trying to install edubuntu from preseed on network, client reboots to a black screen after install though. any ideas?
[21:59] <zul> nealmcb: i would say yes
[22:31] <fujin_> anyone familiar with Munin?
[22:33] <oly-> i have used it before
[22:33] <oly-> nice and easy to setup as well
[22:38] <fujin_> oly-: are you familiar with aggregating/summing graphs?
[22:38] <fujin_> I believe I've got the aggregating working fine, but; summing doesn't want to work
[22:39] <fujin_> If you would, could you please take a quick look at http://rafb.net/p/qFrRVl88.html ?
[22:39] <fujin_> http://provdb.maxnet.net.nz/munin/mx-in/mx-in.html#Postfix
[22:42] <oly-> sorry, thought you was on about another program just realised munin is the monitoring program
[22:42] <oly-> some one else has probably used it though


[00:32] <Kraus> Greetings! Sorry to bug you, but I've checked just about everywhere online and this seems to be a problem specific to this distro.
[00:32] <Kraus> How do we get Numlock enabled at the login screen?
[00:32] <Kraus> (by default, I mean.)
[00:35] <Kraus> I've checked the usual straight Ubuntu methods for 17.10 - 20.04 but they don't seem to work. We're not on Gnome--we're on XFCE, and we're not Arch-based--we're Ubuntu-based. So it seems to be a unique problem.
[01:26] <Kraus> brb, must reboot
[01:57] <Kraus> Sorry, I'm back. :)
[02:10] <OvenWerks> have you asked at #xubuntu then? I am not sure what I did but I seem to boot to numlock on
[02:11] <Kraus> Oh! Didn't know about them. I can try! Is there anything specific to Ubuntu Studio though that they wouldn't know about? Any LightDM stuff?
[02:13] <OvenWerks> so far as I know studio 20.04 is mostly studio on top of xubuntu... but if what they tell you to try doesn't work it would be good to say so here
[02:13] <Kraus> Yeah I just asked them. We'll see what they say :)
[02:13] <OvenWerks> 20.10 will move to a kubuntu base
[02:14] <Kraus> I don't have any experience with any distro other than straight-up Ubuntu. I barely installed my first OS less than a year ago. Been quite the adventure.