[13:29] <tarsonis> xRaich[o]2x, so theres no other way than waiting, eh? guess i'll wait till kde4 comes in the gentoo repos and install a fresh gentoo there with kde4...
[13:30] <Lynoure> tarsonis: there is... help apps with porting...
[13:30] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: yep waiting is the only option, maybe programming a little bit yourself. all this code is not going to patch itself ;)
[13:30] <tarsonis> thats true
[13:30] <tarsonis> but i'm still a noob with programming
[13:31] <m__> hi i have been trying to meet you
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> heh.
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> Still can't run anything that needs root
[13:31] <xRaich[o]2x> i think solid will be something a lot of programmers were waiting for
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> Password incorrect
[13:31] <MilitantPotato> runs fine from shel
[13:31] <m__> you know it{s true
[13:31] <sebastian^> okey nick_name ;)
[13:32] <nick_name> sebastian^: :)
[13:32] <m__> nice
[13:32] <jords> MilitantPotato: Sorry, i have no idea... does'nt seem like any devs are around at the moment maybe try another time
[13:32] <jords> Is this the kde4 menu or kde3?
[13:33] <Lynoure> tarsonis: best way to progress is to use the skills
[13:33] <MilitantPotato> Whats the command for the Control center?
[13:33] <tarsonis> there are none in c :D
[13:33] <xRaich[o]2x> MilitantPotato: on kde4 systemsettings in kde3 kcontol
[13:33] <xRaich[o]2x> kcontrol
[13:34] <Lynoure> tarsonis: most kde apps seem to be in c++
[13:34] <xRaich[o]2x> C++/Qt4
[13:34] <xRaich[o]2x> Qt4 extends C++ a little bit
[13:34] <tarsonis> there are no programming skills in c++ either :/
[13:34] <tarsonis> just a little bit of java
[13:35] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: java is a good start for C++ ;)
[13:35] <tarsonis> i know, i tried myself with c++
[13:35] <tarsonis> but i failed hard
[13:35] <tarsonis> guess i need a good book and much time
[13:35] <MilitantPotato> ok guys, have a good night
[13:35] <xRaich[o]2x> C++ gives you unimaginable ways to f**k up your code ^^
[13:35] <tarsonis> i know
[13:35] <tarsonis> xD
[13:36] <xRaich[o]2x> that's way i love it ^^
[13:37] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: just get yourself a C++ book and another one for Qt4 you will be impressed
[13:37] <tarsonis> thought so
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> programming with Qt4 is not that hard
[13:38] <tarsonis> well maybe not
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> the toolkit does a lot of work for you
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> even garbage collection
[13:38] <tarsonis> oh nice
[13:38] <xRaich[o]2x> with a few lines of code you can make widgets pop up all over the place ;)
[13:39] <xRaich[o]2x> and there is a grafical designer for UIs
[13:39] <xRaich[o]2x> so no need to layout you app by using code ;)
[13:40] <Lynoure> At least Basket still needs help in porting, if any of you are short of projects to help
[13:40] <tarsonis> i prefer to layout with code though
[13:40] <sam_the_guy> how can i resize the bottom bar in kde 4?
[13:41] <xRaich[o]2x> sam_the_guy: you can't
[13:41] <sam_the_guy> :O
[13:41] <tarsonis> the new kicker is a little bit strange
[13:41] <tarsonis> can't wait for plasma apps replacing it
[13:41] <sam_the_guy> can i configure the size of the widgets?
[13:41] <xRaich[o]2x> sam_the_guy: kde4.0 is not ment for the end user ;) wait for kde4.1 if you want something usable ;)
[13:42] <xRaich[o]2x> sam_the_guy: yep you just need to click that circled arrow and resize and rotate by dragging
[13:42] <Wizard> could somebody check if hoary repos are available for powerpc ?
[13:42] <Wizard> !hoary
[13:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) was the second release of Ubuntu.  End Of Life: October 31, 2006. See !eol for more details.
[13:42] <Wizard> ups
[13:42] <Wizard> not hoary..
[13:43] <xRaich[o]2x> hardy?
[13:43] <Wizard> yeah, hardy :)
[13:43] <Wizard> !hardy
[13:43] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:45] <NielsE> my katapult wont start within kde4, any solutions?
[13:46] <tarsonis> use alt+f2
[13:46] <NielsE> hmm k :-P, but I really liked katapult, yesterday it was working
[13:46] <Wizard> :P
[13:47] <tarsonis> xRaich[o]2x, i remember using kubuntu half a year ago or so, everything was so easy that i formatted and put a gentoo up again, because it got boring
[13:47] <tarsonis> (so does gentoo atm for me though)
[13:47] <Aranel> i have 60~ new updates, r them related to kde4 ?
[13:48] <august_> for kde 4.. do you only have to instal the kde4 core?
[13:48] <NielsE> yup
[13:48] <Aranel> august_: yes. and kopete-kde4 etc. for additional apps.
[13:48] <august_> thx
[13:48] <xRaich[o]2x> tarsonis: i don't have that much time for maintaining a system.
[13:48] <tarsonis> thought so
[13:52] <hola> when kde start is say: malformd url and no icon and menu on desktop
[13:52] <kallepersson> Hello there. I'd like to install KDE4. How would I do that? I'm on Kubuntu Gutsy.
[13:52] <august_> where is kde 4 located... cant fin it in the kmenu
[13:52] <stdin> kallepersson: /topic
[13:52] <olimpico> How can i make KDE4 to startup automatically????
[13:52] <stdin> august_: read the instructions
[13:52] <august_> from where?
[13:52] <stdin> olimpico: once you choose it from the login menu, it'll default to that
[13:52] <olimpico> I already installed it, but it's still loading 3.5.8
[13:53] <stdin> august_: /topic
[13:53] <kallepersson> stdin: Thanks, first time using kopete so I didn't see that.
[13:53] <olimpico> stdin: in the login menu is only KDE
[13:53] <olimpico> THere's no place to specify KDE4
[13:53] <stdin> olimpico: have you installed kde4-core, there will be a "KDE 4"
[13:53] <stdin> olimpico: you *may* have to restart KDM to see it
[13:54] <stdin> most people don't have to though
[13:54] <olimpico> stdin: kde4-core is not a package?
[13:54] <stdin> yes it is, read the instructions in the topic
[13:55] <olimpico> stdin: what do you mean by kde4-core, I tried apt-get install kde4-core and nothing was found
[13:55] <stdin> olimpico: yes, because you haven't added the repository, so go read the instructions
[13:56] <olimpico> stdin: Yes I added it, but I'm assuming now that I typed something wrong before, because now it works
[13:56] <olimpico> It's installing now, sorry
[13:56] <stdin> olimpico: ok, after it's done just logout and choose "KDE 4" from the menu in the lower right of the login menu
[13:57] <olimpico> stdin: Thanks a lot!!!!
[13:57] <stdin> :)
[13:58] <kallepersson> stdin: Upgrade underway. Thanks!
[13:58] <stdin> be free :)
[13:58] <kallepersson> I guess that it won't matter that I first update all the KDE packages and then install the kde4-core?
[13:58] <august_> still dont get how to start it...says installed in adept manager
[13:59] <stdin> kallepersson: after adding the repository, it's a good idea to update all packages, then install "kde4-core"
[13:59] <kallepersson> august_: have you added the new repo in your sources.list and done an upgrade?
[13:59] <stdin> august_: after it's done just logout and choose "KDE 4" from the menu in the lower right of the login menu
[13:59] <august_> what?
[13:59] <kallepersson> stdin: then I'm doing a the right thing :-)
[13:59] <august_> ok
[13:59] <kallepersson> august_: You must get all the new KDE packages.
[13:59] <kallepersson> If you already haven't
[14:00] <Lynoure> stdin: When I highlight an url, and I get that list of things to do (browsers to open with), how do I keep the Konqueror option being 3.5.8 konqueror in 3.5.8 kde? It now seems to default to kde4.0 konqueror
[14:00] <august_> ive got the kde4base and kde4base-data
[14:00] <kallepersson> (Has he done the steps in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php ?)
[14:00] <stdin> act today and get a free gift: an updated version of Amarok (kde3)
[14:01] <august_> im all new to this so what more do i have to do to get kde4 to work?
[14:01] <stdin> Lynoure: you have to open konqueror (kde3) and go to Settings > Configure Konqueror ->File Associations and change the association for text/html to konqueror (not konqueror kde4)
[14:02] <kallepersson> brb
[14:02] <stdin> august_: if you have kde4base then you have the wrong packages, please remove "kdelibs5" and "kdelibs5-data" then install "kdebase-bin-kde4" and then "kde4-core"
[14:02] <MMM> hi all =)
[14:03] <shuerlimann> hi all
[14:03] <MMM> i have a bit of a problem... how can i configure wlan in kde4/kubuntu?
[14:03] <shuerlimann> in kde4 my global accellerator don't work (like alt-tab or alt-f2)
[14:03] <shuerlimann> this is a known issue: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Global_shortcuts_.28ALT.2BF2_for_KRunner.2C_ALT.2BTab.2C_etc.29_aren.27t_working.3F.21
[14:03] <shuerlimann> does anybody have a fix?
[14:04] <stdin> MMM: you have to start knetworkmanager manually, there isn't a kde4 version of it yet
[14:04] <_luke_> shuerlimann: nope - its happening for me as well
[14:04] <MMM> ok. ty =)
[14:04] <_luke_> also in Country/Region/Language settings I have no options
[14:04] <MMM> ill go try it out.
[14:04] <MMM> bye
[14:04] <_luke_> as in nothing selected and can't add anything
[14:04] <shuerlimann> when running khotkeys
[14:05] <shuerlimann> I get
[14:05] <shuerlimann> khotkeys(7240) KShortcut::KShortcut: unusable primary shortcut sequence  ""
[14:05] <shuerlimann> maybe that's related?
[14:05] <_luke_> maybe
[14:05] <_luke_> vote for the bug on bugs.kde.org
[14:05] <shuerlimann> _luke_: yepp
[14:06] <sinthetek> yesterday i aptitude safe-upgraded my little sister's system because for some reason her mp3 player stopped showing up on the desktop and when we rebooted it won't let her login via kdm
[14:06] <Lynoure> stdin: It seems all the associations are messed up. If I end up accidentally using konqueror4 when in kde3.5.8 session, is there any risk of the two konquerors settings overwriting each other?
[14:07] <stdin> Lynoure: no, KDE4 keeps it's settings in ~/.kde4 and KDE3 keeps it's in ~/.kde
[14:07] <sinthetek> i see in Xorg.0.log that some errors that could be related i think referring to aiglx but i'm not too keen on graphics/hardware stuff and don't know what would be the best way to fix it.
[14:07] <stdin> !away > MetaMorfoziS
[14:08] <MetaMorfoziS> just shut up and tell me where is the devel channel
[14:08] <sinthetek> i thought perhaps there could be some sort of kubuntu rescue command or something to restore her kde graphics/effects settings to default
[14:09] <Lynoure> stdin: that's good to hear :)
[14:09] <stdin> sinthetek: you can try logging them into the console and doing "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak" then it should start with fresh settings but the'll all be backed up in ~/.kde.bak
[14:12] <Psycoshot> HEy Guys.
[14:12] <Psycoshot> Does anyone know how to get kubuntu to recognize a headest (USB)
[14:14] <xst> It seems completely impossible to print on a paper that has an unusual size, e.g. 13x18 cm: Every way I try to print a PDF of that size results in a print with a wrong offset - as if the printer insist that the paper size is A4 or letter. What to do?
[14:15] <Lynoure> xst: is 13x18 a custom size, or does it have name/code?
[14:16] <xst> Lynoure: It is a custom size
[14:17] <Psycoshot> Does anyone know how t hook up a usb headest
[14:17] <Psycoshot> and get it recognized.
[14:18] <shadowhywind> hi all, Is KDE 4 not as customizable as kde 4? aka, I am trying to get the task bar to move say to the left of the screen and i can't figure it out
[14:19] <stdin> shadowhywind: no, can't be done yet
[14:19] <shadowhywind> stdin yet? *thought it was offically released*
[14:20] <stdin> shadowhywind: this is 4.0.0, it's the 1st release. don't expect it to be anything like 3.5.x
[14:20] <shadowhywind> stdin ah k, It looks slightly pretty, but missing a lot still
[14:21] <shadowhywind> also any ideas, when i switch back to kde 3, when i open up a few programs, it takes on the new look of kde 4
[14:22] <stdin> shadowhywind: have a read of http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 :)
[14:22] <sigma_1234> !acidrip
[14:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acidrip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:23] <sigma_1234> !info acidrip
[14:23] <ubotu> acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 63 kB, installed size 308 kB
[14:23] <sinthetek> apparently it isn't a problem with her kde settings...
[14:23] <hunkennalle> stdin: what more than kde4base and kde4base-data do i need for kde4 to run?
[14:23] <sinthetek> same xorg.conf we have been using since we installed dapper though
[14:24] <tyone> hi peeps
[14:24] <stdin> hunkennalle: *remove* those packages, those are old beta packages
[14:24] <sigma_1234> i wonder when kde4.1 will hit the streets
[14:24] <tyone> any'1 got a minute to help me out here ??
[14:24] <thewhitepelican> in kde4, how do I autostart a program?
[14:24] <hunkennalle> then what should i download?
[14:24] <tyone> is there any way to revert ubutu back to default settings ?
[14:24] <sinthetek> maybe some new kde default settings were added? her onboard via video doesn't support 3d rendering well...
[14:24] <thewhitepelican> sigma_1234, , 4.0 just came out and you want 4.1 already? hehe
[14:24] <sigma_1234> oh is kde4 something that started from scratch or was it built on kde3?
[14:25] <tyone> i installed kubuntu, then messed up my vga driver, now machine boots into bash every time and i need to install vga driver before starting gnome
[14:25] <stdin> hunkennalle: do "apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data kde4libs-data" then read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[14:25] <tyone> i have since un-installed kde
[14:25] <Orfeous> back again
[14:25] <hunkennalle> ok
[14:25] <sigma_1234> lol yeah. the sooner the better!
[14:25] <hunkennalle> ill try that
[14:25] <hunkennalle> thx
[14:25] <stdin> sigma_1234: complete rewrite
[14:25] <tyone> any idea peeps ?S
[14:26] <Orfeous> those configs.. hmm
[14:26] <sigma_1234> stdin: oh so thats why it will have alot of bugs
[14:26] <stdin> yeah :p
[14:26] <tyone>  ?~!
[14:26] <tyone> ~?
[14:26] <napoleao> My kde4 taksbar has dissapeared, anyone know how to make it appear again?
[14:26] <Orfeous> what config is system menu and panels included in?
[14:26] <thewhitepelican> stdin, how do I autostart a orogram in kde4? I'm running it through vmware (i know, i know) and need vmware-toolbox to go between the 2 sessions without having to hit ctrl alt)
[14:27] <thewhitepelican> program*
[14:27] <stdin> thewhitepelican: same way as in kde3, put a link in ~/.kde4/Autostart
[14:27] <thewhitepelican> I did that stdin and it didn't work
[14:27] <stdin> well that's probably a bug than :)
[14:27] <thewhitepelican> ya think? hehe
[14:28] <thewhitepelican> tis OK
[14:28] <thewhitepelican> I won't go "live with it till 4.1 at least
[14:28] <thewhitepelican> I'm with sigma_1234
[14:28] <b0uncer> hello folks..does anyone know if the new kde4-gutsy has a "restricted drivers manager" or not?
[14:28] <sigma_1234> lol the poor kde devs are going to get so many bug reports this week
[14:28] <b0uncer> the live-cd didn't seem to contain one, yet I'd like to have it
[14:29] <thewhitepelican> it's ok sigma_1234, it's what they live for lol
[14:29] <thewhitepelican> like root canal hehe
[14:29] <dabujo> are there live-dvds/cds available for hardy with kde4 anywhere?
[14:29] <napoleao> I dont have the menu taskbar :)
[14:29] <sigma_1234> hehe. well im waiting for hardy. i guess gutsy wasnt really designed for it
[14:29] <Orfeous> not me either..
[14:29] <napoleao> has dissapeared, even with restar does not work lol
[14:29] <thewhitepelican> prolly not
[14:30] <Orfeous> napoleao: i have the same problem
[14:30] <Orfeous> something is changed during version upgrade i think
[14:30] <sigma_1234> but good for a test drive none the less
[14:30] <thewhitepelican> I'm actually surprised I used kubuntu, given their issues with fixing open office. only took them 6 months and over 100 posts complaining about it ;)
[14:30] <Orfeous> spammed with bugs ;)
[14:32] <napoleao> is kde4 stable in debian, or it is the same bugs?
[14:33] <thewhitepelican> same bugs
[14:33] <napoleao> ok
[14:33] <thewhitepelican> rule of thumb, never put a .00 on a production box
[14:33] <sigma_1234> there were issues with openoffice on kubuntu?
[14:34] <b0uncer> or is there no restricted drivers manager for kde4 at all?
[14:34] <stdin> b0uncer: no
[14:34] <thewhitepelican> yes sigma_1234
[14:35] <b0uncer> ok..well that's a major drawback
[14:35] <thewhitepelican> the one I kept tracking was with the database program
[14:35] <stdin> b0uncer: have a read of http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[14:35] <b0uncer> I'll check that out, thanks
[14:35] <thewhitepelican> the form creation program would never complete
[14:36] <thewhitepelican> it was upstream to debian, but even when debian fixed it, the kubuntu team never did
[14:36] <sigma_1234> i thought kexi was the kubuntu database program?
[14:37] <thewhitepelican> it was and is the koffice one
[14:38] <sigma_1234> i didnt know openoffice had a database program
[14:38] <b0uncer> alright..well, seems like I'll just have to wait and hope it's implemented into Kubuntu one day. thanks for the link, stdin!
[14:38] <thewhitepelican> yes indeed, sigma_1234, it came in with 2.x
[14:38] <sigma_1234> why not just download the drivers yourself?
[14:38] <thewhitepelican> it's a good program
[14:39] <sigma_1234> how come it isnt in gutsy?
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> my only complain so far, and it's the same one with kexi, is neither seem to be able to open office 97 or 2000 databases
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> it is
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> just not automatic
[14:39] <thewhitepelican> I just installed it yesterday
[14:40] <sigma_1234> no it isnt
[14:40] <thewhitepelican> wait, I might be in the middle of 2 convos here
[14:40] <sigma_1234> i only have drawing. present. word and spread
[14:40] <thewhitepelican> sigma_1234, do you mean the database program isn't in gutsy?
[14:41] <sigma_1234> ah i see. whats it called?
[14:41] <sigma_1234> yeah
[14:41] <thewhitepelican> hang on i'll find it
[14:42] <LeeJunFan> does anyone know where I can get the last working flash plugin for konqueror? adobe seems to like to hide old versions.
[14:42] <jussi01> !flash
[14:42] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:42] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:42] <gukk_devel> emilsedgh: there were locks stored in the folder .gnupg
[14:42] <LeeJunFan> thanks.
[14:42] <jussi01> :)
[14:44] <thewhitepelican> sigma_1234, it's called openoffice.org base
[14:44] <voonte> Does kubuntu offer any way to get the qt4 frontend for vlc, and not the wxw?
[14:44] <tarsonis> btw
[14:44] <tarsonis> what about flash under amd64 for kubuntu?
[14:44] <thewhitepelican> and it is in gutsy as I just installed it yesterday
[14:44] <tarsonis> is there any way to get it running?
[14:44] <hola> which is the apt command for remove a package and its dependences
[14:45] <sigma_1234> is it in the gutsy default install?
[14:46] <thewhitepelican> not sure actually as I usually make avaialble most debs in my sources.list
[14:46] <sigma_1234> yeah i think it has to be downloaded
[14:47] <sigma_1234> does it use mysql databases?
[14:47] <hunkennalle> how do i do this?:"Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main to your /etc/apt/sources.list"
[14:48] <thewhitepelican> not sure, I haven't gotten that far. Saw my 1stsql statement years ago and almost went blind LOL
[14:48] <hola> which is the adept command for to remove a package and its dependances?
[14:49] <sigma_1234> sudo apt-get remove i guess
[14:50] <jussi01> hunkennalle: kmenu -> system -> adept -> manage repositiories -> third party -> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[14:52] <hola> sigma_1234: i think that it does not remove the dipendences
[14:52] <jussi01> !flash64
[14:52] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[14:52] <llutz> hola: aptitude remove <package>    should remove deps too if they aren't needed anymore
[14:54] <BenjaminD> i am using kubuntu gutsy 7.10.. how can i upgrade to kde 4?
[14:55] <hola> llutz: tnks
[14:55] <thewhitepelican> there is an instruction page on the main page
[14:55] <thewhitepelican> just look for the link that says kde4
[14:55] <thewhitepelican> word of warning though, it's got a lot of bugs
[14:56] <thewhitepelican> I don't recommend putting it on a production box
[14:56] <hunkennalle> so from where do i get kde4core?
[14:56] <BenjaminD> cant i just sudo apt-get ?
[14:57] <thewhitepelican> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[14:57] <hunkennalle> ive read that but where do i instal it from?
[14:58] <a7p> hi everyone ... does anyone know how to the the new kde4 packages in gusty-backports running?
[15:00] <TimS> a7p: Its possible, but It has messed my mates system up already, so i dont know the propper way, he just followed the guide from an Ubuntu blog
[15:00] <thewhitepelican> what do you mean hunkennalle ?
[15:01] <a7p> TimS, okay messed up, does not sound too good.
[15:01] <thewhitepelican> a7p, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[15:02] <a7p> thewhitepelican, that one requires a ppa  - which I do not want to use ... for the backport-packages the mentioned instructions do not work.
[15:02] <thewhitepelican> hmmm
[15:02] <a7p> i get the splash-screen, but then after highlighting some icons it dies.
[15:02] <thewhitepelican> then I'm at a loss
[15:07] <wers> kde4 wont start. whenever I log in kde4, after the splash screen, I go back to GDM
[15:07] <wers> any ideas?
[15:07] <a7p> wers, same here.
[15:08] <wers> I am on Ubuntu (GNOME) and I just installed kde4 by following the instructions in kubuntu.org
[15:08] <a7p> something's broken in the packages ...
[15:08] <wers> i didnt have kde3 installed before
[15:08] <wers> other than some apps like basket and kaffeine
[15:08] <a7p> neigther I had.
[15:08] <wers> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665050
[15:09] <GioFX> kubuntu 8.04 kde4 or kde3 what will it use as default?
[15:09] <JohnFlux> GioFX: kde3
[15:10] <wers> GioFX, kde3's the default but there's an option to use kde4
[15:10] <GioFX> ok, yes that is good!
[15:10] <GioFX> thanks
[15:11] <NIghtFire> hi: anybody know where I can find older versions of the firmware code for a samsung yp t9j.  I am told that if I install version 1.60 of the firmware it will talk to Gutsy but my firmware version is 1.72 any other options ?
[15:12] <NIghtFire> samsung yp-t9j = mp3 player
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  :-)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> so far KDE4 is nice eyecandy, but my fingers slipped on the mouse while trying to move on the KOnq icon and grew to twicw it's default size , how to resize it back ?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> err twice
[15:23] <Phophos> Yo; I'm looking to install KDE over my Gnome installation on 7.10. I've heard this makes menus messy, so is there a way to automate their cleanup?
[15:27] <napoleao> how can I resize the kde4 menu taskbat?
[15:29] <adz21c> napoleao: u mean the big black panel?
[15:29] <napoleao> yes
[15:29] <adz21c> u can't
[15:29] <SSJ_GZ> napoleao: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_auto-hide.2F_resize_the_panel.3F__Can_I_add_a_new_panel.3F
[15:29] <napoleao> thank you
[15:32] <Briareos1> can i tell amarok/xine to use all 5 speakers also for stereo-only songs? (right now it's set to plug:surround51:Live - but output only left/right ...)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> so far KDE4 is nice eyecandy, but my fingers slipped on the mouse while trying to move the Konq icon and grew to twice it's default size , how to resize it back ?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> oops sorry
[15:37] <Dagon> in KDE4 where did they hide "add/remove" programs?
[15:39] <SSJ_GZ> BluesKaj: Hover over the icon; use the resize handle.
[15:39] <limac> hey, how can i change my login name in kubuntu?
[15:40] <jpatrick> limac: use Users in System Settings
[15:40] <limac> thanks jpatrick :D
[15:41] <Azzmodan> where do i find kde4-core?
[15:41] <imperfect-> Is upgrading to KDE4 possible w/ kuntu latest?
[15:41] <imperfect-> or is it a dependency nightmare?
[15:41] <jpatrick> Azzmodan: backports or ppa
[15:41] <jpatrick> imperfect-: yes
[15:41] <ader10> Will anybody help me to get KDE4 running? I've installed it but it doesn't start at all, same with the kubuntu-desktop package.
[15:41] <imperfect-> Both, eh ?
[15:42] <adz21c> ader10: what's the problem?
[15:42] <jpatrick> ader10: in the KDM session chooser menu?
[15:43] <ader10> jpatrick: I use gdm because of problems with kdm adz21c: KDE won't start up at all, I get an error message
[15:43] <jpatrick> ader10: what error?
[15:43] <august_> i get this message when i open adept manager:
[15:43] <august_> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[15:43] <august_> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[15:44] <limac> jpatrick: and how about pswd?
[15:45] <jpatrick> limac: same
[15:45] <limac> nm jpatrick
[15:45] <limac> i got it
[15:45] <limac> :D
[15:45] <august_> help me please
[15:45] <jpatrick> august_: kd4?
[15:45] <adz21c> august_: there is a command you can enter to release it, but i can't remember it
[15:45] <august_> no
[15:45] <ader10> jpatrick: I can't find where I wrote it down, I'll be right back and give it to you.
[15:45] <jpatrick> !adeptfix | august_
[15:45] <ubotu> august_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:46] <adz21c> thats the one
[15:46] <ader10> jpatrick: oh I found it. "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check you installation"
[15:46] <jpatrick> ader10: never seen that before
[15:46] <ader10> jpatrick: but df shows me that I'm not nearly full/out of disk space
[15:47] <oritemis> hi guys
[15:47] <ader10> Will anybody help me? I'm utterly tired of gnome and want to go back to KDE but KDE fails to start.
[15:48] <oritemis> I just installed kde4 but I am unebled to set default keys for  desktop effects, someone solved this already?
[15:49] <vamsi> I am a new Kubuntu user. Can I please get some help with my Graphics Card.
[15:49] <august_> thank you ubuntu for helping me
[15:50] <adz21c> vamsi: just explain the problem and someone will jump in and help if they know :-)
[15:50] <Briareos1> I've created an image of the a partition and put that image on a larger one - but now linux thinks the partition is only the size of the source-image - how can i change that?
[15:51] <vamsi> My computer has a PIII 866MHz processor with 384mb ram and an intel 82810 graphics card. everything works okay but videos do not play well
[15:51] <vamsi> videos break every frame
[15:51] <oritemis> well someone know, at least the file where the desktop effects are writen?
[15:51] <vamsi> for example, i cannot watch a youtube video. video plays, but it plays frame by frame with a break after each frame
[15:52] <adz21c> vamsi: you mean every 2 seconds it pauses?
[15:52] <vamsi> even videos that are downloaded to the computer, like .wmv and .avi files would play with breaks too.
[15:52] <vamsi> yes.
[15:52] <adz21c> oritemis: use systemsettings-kde4 and go to desktop
[15:52] <vamsi> sometimes every 2 seconds or sometimes even frequently
[15:52] <adz21c> ok, i got the same thing for youtube, but avi's etc work fine for me
[15:53] <ader10> Will anybody help me? I'm utterly tired of gnome and want to go back to KDE but KDE fails to start.
[15:53] <vamsi> but youtube and all other videos used to play fine when i had windows xp on the exact same machine
[15:54] <adz21c> yea, they used to play fine for me as well, under this install of linux, but i dunno why youtubes gone weird for me
[15:54] <vamsi> do you think it is an issue with linux or graphics card?
[15:55] <vamsi> i cannot upgrade graphics card on this machine
[15:55] <vamsi> and i can bump up the system memory only upto 512mb ram
[15:55] <adz21c> vamsi: i don't know, i wouldn't think so
[15:55] <adz21c> vamsi: what do dvds run like?
[15:55] <vamsi> i did not try
[15:56] <adz21c> vamsi: give it a go, see how it goes, if thats smooth then i don't think its a graphics problem
[15:56] <oritemis> adz21c: I tried there and same result.
[15:56] <vamsi> hmm. i will find a dvd and give that a try soon.
[15:57] <adz21c> oritemis: to be honest i not got the desktop affects working at all on my system
[15:57] <vamsi> this is my glxgears output
[15:57] <vamsi> glxgears
[15:57] <vamsi> 709 frames in 5.9 seconds = 119.293 FPS
[15:57] <vamsi> 678 frames in 6.0 seconds = 113.363 FPS
[15:58] <oritemis> adz21c: for same reason?
[15:58] <vamsi> oritemis what is your glxgears output like?
[15:58] <adz21c> tbh vamsi i don't know if those rates are normal for your card, they are slow, but i don't know
[15:59] <adz21c> oritemis: whats your reason for them not working? mine just don't, i have no idea why
[15:59] <oritemis> vamsi: 148 fps
[15:59] <vamsi> oritemis: your numbers are at least better than mine
[16:00] <oritemis> vamsi: with some blinks
[16:00] <adz21c> are you both running kde4?
[16:00] <oritemis> yeah
[16:00] <vamsi> adz21c: no
[16:00] <oritemis> I am
[16:00] <vamsi> adz21c: i am running gutsy giboon with kde3.5.8
[16:00] <adz21c> ok
[16:01] <adz21c> what card you bot vamsi? and oritemis?
[16:01] <oritemis> Where is the config file where Desktop system Settings saves it configurations?, may be it's locked...
[16:01] <vamsi> adz21c: my graphics card is intel 82810e
[16:01] <oritemis> ati, very old.
[16:01] <adz21c> oritemis: don't know
[16:02] <vamsi> adz21c: my lshw output says this about graphics card:
[16:02] <vamsi> *-pci
[16:02] <vamsi>           description: Host bridge
[16:03] <vamsi>           product: 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub
[16:03] <vamsi>           vendor: Intel Corporation
[16:03] <adz21c> !pastebin | vamsi
[16:03] <ubotu> vamsi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:03] <vamsi>           physical id: 100
[16:03] <vamsi>           bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
[16:03] <vamsi>           version: 03
[16:03] <vamsi>           width: 32 bits
[16:03] <vamsi>           clock: 33MHz
[16:03] <vamsi>           configuration: driver=agpgart-intel module=intel_agp
[16:03] <vamsi>         *-display
[16:03] <vamsi>              description: VGA compatible controller
[16:03]  * marcx is away: Gone away for now.
[16:03] <vamsi>              product: 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller
[16:03] <vamsi>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[16:03] <vamsi>              physical id: 1
[16:04] <vamsi>              bus info: pci@0000:00:01.0
[16:04] <vamsi>              version: 03
[16:04] <vamsi>              width: 32 bits
[16:04] <vamsi>              clock: 66MHz
[16:04] <vamsi>              capabilities: pm vga bus_master cap_list
[16:04] <vamsi>              configuration: driver=i810_smbus latency=0 module=i2c_i810
[16:04] <vamsi> sorry this is the first time i am using irc. did not know about that
[16:04] <oritemis> I receive a: "QDBusConnection received a message of type 3 that it shouldn't have"
[16:05] <oritemis> when trying change default key of a effect from "none" to something.
[16:05] <adz21c> oritemis: just so we know, do you have issues with smoothness of videos on your system? seeing as u get similar framerates
[16:06] <vamsi> adz21c: and this is how my xorg.conf looks like: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51662/
[16:06] <_gtt_> i just installed compiz-beryl and  get no fire effects.
[16:06] <_gtt_> and no desktop cube
[16:07] <adz21c> vamsi: i am not sure its ur graphics card thats the problem
[16:07] <_gtt_> even when i have fire effects as the only enabled effect.
[16:08] <vamsi> adz21c: if it is not graphics card, do you think i did something incorrect when installing kubuntu? do i have to find a better graphics card driver or something?
[16:08] <vamsi> adz21c: I tried changing driver to vesa but graphics did not work altogether. ony text interface. i had to replace xorg.conf with the old one in order to get back
[16:08] <oritemis> adz21c: no, sure isn't. I can't change default key for some effects. for example: exposè works if I put my mouse in let up corner, but I can't change keys combination from "none" to ctrl+f10.
[16:09] <adz21c> vamsi: intel drivers are open source so you should be getting about as good as it gets with that card
[16:09] <araizen> hey all
[16:09] <araizen> adept says i can update kde. if i do that, will that install kde 4?
[16:09] <adz21c> vamsi: and i had my parents system which is weaker than urs set up with kubuntu and it worked fine
[16:10] <adz21c> oritemis: well i cant get any effects so your doing better than i
[16:11] <vamsi> adz21c: is there any way to know how much memory is being allocated to the graphics card. i think graphics ram is shared
[16:11] <vamsi> adz21c: and is there any way to increase that amount, say to the maximum the card can handle?
[16:12] <adz21c> vamsi: don't know to be honest, i always used seperate cards
[16:13] <_gtt_> araizen: i didnt notice an update to kde4 when i updated on my desktop last night.
[16:13] <_gtt_> of course, i don't think i've rebooted either.
[16:14] <ader10> Help me please, when I try to start KDE, nothing pops up except for this error dialog: "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation"
[16:14] <araizen> adept says there are 23 updatable packages and they're all kde components
[16:14] <vamsi> adz21c: hmm. alright. i think i will post a message on the kubuntu forums and see if anyone has a similar problem. may be i might get some help there. otherwise no video for me :-(
[16:15] <adz21c> vamsi: yea, i would pop in here later, theres some people who know linux/kubuntu better than i that are usually in here later
[16:15] <vamsi> adz21c: Thank you for your time. i really like kubuntu and would not want to go back to win xp just for this reason.
[16:15] <oritemis> well, thx anyway guys
[16:15] <oritemis> bye
[16:16] <mneisen> Hi, how about setting up a torrent for the (unofficial) Kubuntu KDE 4.0 Live CD?
[16:16] <limac> ur welcome :D :P
[16:16] <limac> KDE 4.0 is unofficial?
[16:16] <mneisen> limac: No, the Kubuntu Live CD with KDE 4.0 is unofficial.
[16:17] <mneisen> I am just downloading from kubuntu.com, and it is *SLOW*.
[16:17] <limac> ah!
[16:17] <mneisen> see here : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[16:18] <parkin> Im downloading from there too, i got 32kbit/sec :P
[16:18] <mneisen> so, how about we set up a torrent for this?
[16:18] <adz21c> ouch lol
[16:18] <limac> yeah
[16:19] <mneisen> someone in touch with the devs/server admins at kubuntu.com?
[16:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm. No torrents found for it at http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[16:20] <mneisen> that's why i want to create a new one ... :-D
[16:21] <Dr_willis> Well given the experioance i had testing out kde4 yesterday on this box.. Im going to wait  a while longer befor tring it again. :P
[16:22] <ferent> how can I see wich folders are empty?
[16:22] <Dr_willis> http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-linuxapp-1778.html
[16:22] <Dr_willis> has a torrent for it allready. :)
[16:22] <mneisen> Dr_willis: OK.
[16:23] <Dr_willis> Google to the rescue. :P
[16:23] <de4dsnake> hey, does anyone now how to solve that slownetworking issue in gutsy? i tried disabling ipv6 with only very little improvement
[16:23] <mneisen> de4dsnake: got a link to this issue?
[16:23] <de4dsnake> ehm one sec
[16:24] <ferent> hi, somebody know's how to see and delete all the empty folder in specific directory?
[16:24] <mneisen> de4dsnake: Do you mean this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/155393
[16:25] <mneisen> ferent: You might want to try:
[16:25] <mneisen> for d in $(find . -maxdepth 1 -type d); do rmdir $d; done
[16:25] <llutz> ferent: something like: find /dir -type d -empty -exec rm -rf {} \;
[16:25] <mneisen> this will try to delete *all* dirs.
[16:25] <mneisen> and fail on non-empty ones.
[16:25] <mneisen> llutz: this solution is better than mine :-D
[16:25] <de4dsnake> checking - takes time to load
[16:26] <ferent> ok, I will try
[16:26] <llutz> mneisen: yours + -empty 's fine too :)
[16:26] <de4dsnake> yes thats the one, mneisen
[16:27] <de4dsnake> after i disabled ipv6 things got much faster
[16:27] <de4dsnake> but still not even close to what wlan can do
[16:27] <de4dsnake> and its very unstable
[16:27] <de4dsnake> transfer rates go up and down between 0 and 1mbit/s
[16:28] <mneisen> de4dsnake: Sorry, this issue seems to be still unresolved.
[16:28] <de4dsnake> hmm ok :(
[16:28] <de4dsnake> so how come some ppl have it and some not?
[16:28] <mneisen> llutz: Thanks for the kudos, but your solution is actually better as it works with directory names containing spaces etc.
[16:28] <_gtt_> i wonder if the ipv6 is what slowing down my connection with my laptop...
[16:29] <_gtt_> i havent disabled it, but it was going to take 2 hours for 4 gigs
[16:29] <mneisen> llutz: my solution will simply crap in the face of such names.
[16:29] <mneisen> de4dsnake: Did you try to disable ipv6.
[16:29] <de4dsnake> yes
[16:29] <mneisen> Oh, yes, you did.
[16:29] <mneisen> I just read it. orry.
[16:29] <mneisen> So, you *need* ipv6?
[16:29] <de4dsnake> no, i dont need ipv6, well so far atleast
[16:30] <willluongo> Hello, when I tried to install kde 4 using adept, it crashed, and now I cannot use adept. Does anyone have any ideas?
[16:30] <mneisen> well, then simply disable it. Things get better then.
[16:30] <mneisen> willluongo: adept crashed, or KDE 4 crashed?
[16:30] <de4dsnake> yeah only slightly tho
[16:30] <mneisen> de4dsnake: tough luck :-D
[16:30] <willluongo> mneisen: adept
[16:30] <willluongo> now when it starts it says it is locked, and then regardless of yes, no, or cancel it crashes
[16:30] <mneisen> willluongo: adept has some left-overs when it crashes. let me search for the solution ...
[16:32] <mneisen> willluongo: do a "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[16:32] <mneisen> willluongo: A reboot would help, too, but we are not in Redmond, I think ... :-D
[16:32] <dick-richardson> In the tutorial to install kde 4, the last bullet is "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session install xserver-xephyr and run Xephyr :1 then  and run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the Xerphyr xterm"...Can I just replace the existing xserver with xephyr on display 0? Will x11vnc work w/xephyr?
[16:33] <willluongo> mneisen: IT still throws the same error
[16:33] <mneisen> willluongo: what did the command output?
[16:33] <willluongo> will@Kubuntu-VM:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[16:33] <willluongo> [sudo] password for will:
[16:33] <willluongo> will@Kubuntu-VM:~$
[16:33] <mneisen> willluongo: that's fine
[16:33] <mneisen> willluongo: please do a "sudo apt-get update"
[16:34] <Dr_willis> !fixadept
[16:34] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:34] <mneisen> willluongo: Dr_willis is right. your have to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" as well
[16:35] <willluongo> I am doing that right now, thank you both
[16:35] <willluongo> And it is fixed!
[16:35] <willluongo> Thanks again so much!
[16:35] <mneisen> Hooray.
[16:35] <Dr_willis> dick-richardson,  i think the point of xephyr is to let you test out a kde4 session in a window.
[16:35] <Galliles> Hi. Is there any way I can set a streaming movie as my desktop wallpaper?
[16:35] <Dr_willis> dick-richardson,  You can always logout and seleect kde4 in the KDM sessions if you want.
[16:35] <mneisen> Dr_willis: maybe you can answer a little question of mine: why is xserver-xorg-video-intel installed on my AMD/ATI machine?
[16:36] <Dr_willis> mneisen,  i imagine theres a lot of xserver-xorg-* packages installed.
[16:36] <dick-richardson> Dr_willis: thank you!
[16:36] <mneisen> Dr_willis: OK, I thought that only the needed packages get installed.
[16:37] <mneisen> Dr_willis: I ask because there is an update for the intel driver package, and I do not want my xorg.conf messed up.
[16:37] <Dr_willis> think of it as a 'driver' for that video card. :) in case you change cards.. check the package manager.
[16:37] <mneisen> Dr_willis: OK, thanks
[16:37] <appelza> Hi guys, any idea when kde4x packages will be in the official sources list (via experimental or something) instead of an external site like :http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[16:37] <Dr_willis> the X.Org X server -- output driver metapackage
[16:38] <appelza> I ask because our local mirror only mirrors the offical sources
[16:39] <ferent> sorry mneisen|on_other, in "for d in $(find . -maxdepth 1 -type d); do rmdir $d; done" what's happen if I don't write the "done"?
[16:39] <Blueskaj> KDE4 is nice eyecandy but it's not working so well for my setup ..the screensaver doesn't start the right photofile, the icons are small and very large in some cases, the panel doesn't accept apps  and konq browser lost all my toolbar bookmarks and regular bookmarks as well. I tried to get help in #kde but there was no reaction to my question.
[16:39] <_gtt_> alright... disabled ipv6, though it doesnt seem my router is afflicted.
[16:39] <Dr_willis> wowsers the kde4 torrent is allready done...
[16:39] <ubuntu_> hello
[16:40] <_gtt_> gonna try reboot, and i've got the kde4 livecd in, so i might as well test that out too.
[16:40] <firecrotch> appelza: it's in gutsy-backports already :)
[16:40] <Dr_willis> took 16 Min. Not bad. :)
[16:40] <Blueskaj> so , I'm back in kde3.5.8 :)
[16:44] <dpwilson> can anyone tell me how to tell what partition my ubuntu install is on.  I am trying to install
[16:44] <dpwilson> kubuntu 7.10 and do not want to erase my other.
[16:44] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  check 'sudo fdisk -l' to get a list of all disks/filesystems
[16:44] <Blueskaj> now that I've installed KDE4 , can I re-enable the Gutsy backports ?
[16:44] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  also check the 'mount' command to see where / is mounted
[16:44] <dpwilson> thanks
[16:45] <DreadKnight> Blueskaj: yeah, why not?
[16:45] <Blueskaj> err whynot isn't an answer  :)
[16:45] <DreadKnight> just do it
[16:45] <Dr_willis> I never disabled them in the first place... was we supposed to?
[16:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:45] <DreadKnight> no
[16:46] <adz21c> Blueskaj: i don't think it lost your bookmarks etc, the kde4 configs are located else where so it just didn't know about your kde3 stuff, if thats what you mean't :-) (delayed reaction i know)
[16:46] <subopt> Since i switched my KDE window manager from kwin to sawfish all the little thingies in my system tray have somehow removed themselves from the tray and appeared as tiny (1cm x 1cm) app windows. When i'd close the window that'd be the last i saw of that tray thingie. This happened over several logout/login cycles. Now they're all gone. What do i do to get them back?
[16:47] <ferent> mneisen|on_other: when I do "for d in $(find . -type d); do rmdir $d; done" there is a problem with the spaces in folder
[16:47] <ferent> the rmdir understand each word in folder is a different folder
[16:48] <dpwilson> I have sdc1 and sdc3, both showing linux.  I tried to install kubuntu before and created the partition, cant remember which one the ubuntu is on now
[16:48] <Dr_willis> Gee i havent used sawfish in ages.. I seem to recall a windowmaker/dock app i used with it ages ago. that worked as a 'system tray' for most window managers that dident support the normal kde ssytem tray feature
[16:48] <DreadKnight> anyone managed to connect to jabber using kopete-kde4? :|
[16:48] <Blueskaj> adz21c, you may be right ..i haven't tried configuring konq yet as a browser and file manager (which i prefer BTW) ... I'll try later when I'm in the mood for fiddling around :)
[16:49] <Dr_willis> ferent,  you may have to get creative and add some quoteing somewhere... :)
[16:49] <adz21c> Blueskaj: yea, i find kde4 konq is a smoother browser so far .. i find kde3's a lil slow and clunky (maybe its the lack of features in kde4s making it a lil smoother? :-P haha) but as a file manager ... you can#t create a folder....wth lol
[16:49] <ferent> ummm ok Dr_willis
[16:49] <Dr_willis> ferent,  spaces in file names/dir names often cause this kind of issue.
[16:50] <Dr_willis> Which is why i use _ :)
[16:50] <ferent> I know... Dr_willis
[16:50] <dpwilson> sdc3 has an asterisk under boot.  would that mean that is where the ubuntu install is?
[16:50] <mneisen|on_other> ferent: That's why llutz' solution was better
[16:50]  * Dr_willis missed the original problem.
[16:51] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  that just means its bootable.. Look where its mounted to. where / is mounted should be where its installed to.
[16:51] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  assumingyou only used one  fileystem for / and not one for / and /home
[16:52] <Blueskaj> adz21c, i guess it'll take some "getting used to" ... I like the way i have things setup in kde3 and I don't feel like trying to flash working in kde4 right now ... I should have known that it was broken in "4"
[16:52] <dpwilson> I am completely new to this, where would I see find the /
[16:52] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  'mount' is the command.
[16:52] <Dr_willis> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[16:52] <Dr_willis> That shows that my system is on sda1
[16:53] <limac> is there anywhere i can find the kubunut feisty default background, i like it
[16:53] <dpwilson> on my partitionioner (kubuntu 7.10), it shows both as /media/sdc1 and sdc3
[16:53] <mneisen|on_other> ferent: use "find . -type d -empty -exec rm "{}" \;" maybe
[16:53] <adz21c> Blueskaj: heh yea. To be honest i knew KDE4 was going to be rough around the edges and lacking features .. but its lacking more than i thought ... and slightly more stable than i thought it would be tbh :-)
[16:53] <ferent> mneisen|on_other:  yes I will try
[16:54] <dpwilson> since sdc1 has no *, would that mean there is actually nothing on it?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  at a miniman you proberly have a / and a swap
[16:55] <Dr_willis> I think the * means very little these days.
[16:55] <dpwilson> can I copy and past  the terminal output here?
[16:55] <Dr_willis> see where its mounted to.. see whats on it.. thats what to look for.
[16:55] <ferent> mneisen|on_other: this not run, maybe I have to use rmdir. see: find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir "{}" \;
[16:55] <Dr_willis> i wouldent trust the * thing at all.
[16:55] <Blueskaj> adz21c,the default "4" theme has a distinctively "Mac" look about it. I'll getpotshots for that remark :)
[16:55] <adz21c> Blueskaj: i thought the exact same thing tbh
[16:56] <Dr_willis> !pastebin | dpwilson
[16:56] <ubotu> dpwilson: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:56]  * Dr_willis puts in a vote as hateing the default kde4 theme..
[16:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:56] <dpwilson> OK
[16:56] <limac> is there anywhere i can find kubunut feisty default background?
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I cant tell which windows got focus or not..
[16:57] <adz21c> yea, thats annoying, i dont hate the theme, its ok, i seen better but i seen a lot worse
[16:57] <DreadKnight> anyone managed to connect to jabber using kopete-kde4? :|
[16:57] <Dr_willis> limac,  try kde-look.org perhaps?  or a friend with a feisty install..
[16:57] <ferent> mneisen|on_other: with "find . -type d -empty -exec rmdir  "{}" \;" all was ok
[16:57] <Blueskaj> Dr_willis, I don't 'hate' the kde4 default look , but it's a bit bland for my taste
[16:57] <ferent> thanks a lot
[16:57] <limac> all right
[16:57] <Dr_willis> Blueskaj,  its positively washed out. :)
[16:57] <Dr_willis> Then again. I tend to use High-contrast themes.
[16:57] <Dr_willis> so im biased
[16:57] <Blueskaj> yeah too pastel
[16:57] <DreadKnight> i love the kde4 look
[16:58] <persen_> Hi, any guides on howto upgrade feisty to kde4 ?
[16:58] <persen_> or tips
[16:58] <Dr_willis> persen_,  see the topic?
[16:58] <Dr_willis> but feisty? ICK
[16:59] <Dr_willis> Im not sure thats even doable at all.
[16:59] <DreadKnight> persen_: upgrade distro first
[16:59] <dpwilson> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51671/
[16:59] <mneisen|on_other> ferent: you r welcome
[16:59] <mneisen|on_other> !
[16:59] <stdin> persen_: KDE4 is only available in Gutsy and Hardy
[16:59] <persen_> Ok
[16:59] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  why do you have such a weird drive layout?
[17:00] <dpwilson> well, I dont really know what I am doing
[17:00] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  you still need to see where the 2 filesystems of type 'Linux' are mounted to. You may have one as a /home and the other as /
[17:00] <dpwilson> I tried to install once and it wouldnt let me, then I tried again and it worked
[17:01] <Dr_willis> I would suggest backing up everything thats imporntant then. :)
[17:01] <subopt> What is the package update thingie called?
[17:01] <dpwilson> will do, will backup and re-install all
[17:01] <stdin> you mean adept?
[17:02] <dpwilson> thanks Dr_willis
[17:02] <subopt> stdin: i mean the little thing that used to be in my system tray that listed all the packages that had available updates, and let me apply them? Don't know what the name was?
[17:02] <Dr_willis> dpwilson,  its still worth learning HOW mounting of filesystems work. :)
[17:02] <subopt> s/was?/was.
[17:02] <dpwilson> where could I read up more on that|?
[17:02] <stdin> subopt: adept_notifier
[17:02] <subopt> stdin: thanks
[17:03] <august_> how do you know the roots password?
[17:03] <jussi01> !root | august_
[17:03] <ubotu> august_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:04] <inaety> what makes the panel in the kde4? plasma right?  for some reason when i started kde4 for the second time the panel isn't visible however i can use the plasma widgets
[17:04] <august_> ive got no clue of what youre talking about but ill check the link
[17:05] <jussi01> august_: there is no root password. if you need root priviledges use sudo before the command
[17:05] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Where_has_my_panel_disappeared_to.3F.21
[17:06] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: kde4 emergency faq haha
[17:06] <SSJ_GZ> :)
[17:06]  * inaety adds to fav
[17:06] <ender> anyone else's sessions not saving w/ KDE4.0?
[17:06] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: it says there such file or directory as that
[17:07] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: What is the output of echo $KDEHOME ?
[17:07] <stdin> inaety: make sure you include the * bit
[17:08] <august_> ok but i have an other problem too... in the bottom of the screen the clock and the 4 display thing moved all the way to the left and if i minimize a program its not down there
[17:08] <inaety> stdin: it's included...and if i remember correctly you made the kde4 packages for kubuntu..thanks a lot they rock
[17:08] <stdin> :)
[17:08] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: just $KDEHOME?
[17:08] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: ~/.kde
[17:08] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: echo $KDEHOME
[17:08] <inaety> 4
[17:09] <inaety> ./kde4**
[17:09] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: Hmmm - try "~/.kde4/" instead of $KDEHOME
[17:09] <inaety> that worked
[17:09] <inaety> so log out?
[17:10] <inaety> stdin: maybe you'd know this...but why is it so difficult to like use the desktop.  why can't i just right click on a tar.gz and hit extract here?
[17:10] <inaety> and other various things
[17:10] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: You should have logged out before doing tha :)
[17:10] <SSJ_GZ> +t
[17:10] <Dr_willis> I noticed that kde4 radicially changes the way the desktop works also.. :) i bet people will hate that.
[17:11] <Dr_willis> So i just removed all the stuff off it. :)
[17:11] <inaety> brb
[17:11] <Dr_willis> We dont want icons for files ont he desktop! we need the space for WIdgets! and Desklets, or whatever they are called this week.
[17:12] <yao_ziyuan> what is the commonly used cross-platform compressed archive format that supports unicode filenames?
[17:12] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: that worked thank you
[17:12] <SSJ_GZ> inaety: Excellent - I've updated the FAQ
[17:12] <Dr_willis> What are they called under kde4? Plasmids? or was that from BioShock?
[17:12] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: i love that actually! really hated desktop icons ... computer noobs tend to use them a lot :|
[17:12] <adz21c> plasmoids
[17:12] <DreadKnight> plasmoids (widgets)
[17:12] <underdog5004> Dr_willis: plasmoids
[17:12] <inaety> yeah this plasma stuff is annoying
[17:12] <SSJ_GZ> DreadKnight: aseigo hates them too :)
[17:12] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  you dont want to know the # of peoples machines ive seen with 1000+ icons on the desktop
[17:12] <inaety> or well no, confusing
[17:13] <Dr_willis> move them.. and they get lost.
[17:13] <Dr_willis> BioShockOS :)
[17:13] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: true... and most of them unused icons xD
[17:13] <Dr_willis> Plasmoids just sounds.. weird..  Plasmids seems eaier to say.
[17:13] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: oh tight...the konqueror4 flash thing, is that a known bug?
[17:14] <DreadKnight> inaety: very known, screw adobe
[17:14] <SSJ_GZ> I know there are some issues with Konqueror and Flash, but don't really know much about it :/
[17:14] <inaety> DreadKnight: yeah but is essential
[17:14] <inaety> SSJ_GZ: it fully doesn't work
[17:14] <DreadKnight> inaety: hope gnash and klash will do the job pretty soon
[17:14] <Dr_willis> From what i hear Flash and Konqwueror - has some nasty issues..
[17:15] <DreadKnight> i've heard the flash thingy is fixed in hardy
[17:15] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh? but hardy is released for a months still
[17:15] <Dr_willis> I think flash has became the  'defacto wiget-thanggie' that java was supposed to become..
[17:15] <Dr_willis> Its geting sad when every web site i visit has 5+ flash ads.
[17:16] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: i agree
[17:16] <Dr_willis> at least i rarely see actual popups any more, or popunders, or the other annoying ad tricks that were tried over theyears.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> Did see a site that tried todisable the right click button. :) so the wife couldent save some pics..
[17:17] <Dr_willis> Had to show her how to use noscript to fix that.
[17:17] <inaety> Dr_willis: that's a clever trick though
[17:17] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: it's java right? you can disable it and proceed with saving images xD
[17:17] <adz21c> Anyone know where I report bugs to kubuntu?
[17:18] <DreadKnight> javascript* actually
[17:18] <Dr_willis> just a silly javascript thing.
[17:18] <Dr_willis> lets bring back bouncy-status bar messages! and little things that foloow the mouse pointer!
[17:18] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: konqueror has in the menus to uncheck javascript and it does the trick
[17:19] <Dr_willis> I wonder if tehers a web site with the 'history of annoying web page programing gimmics over the ages'  :)
[17:19] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: there should be :)
[17:19] <inaety> is uh Koffice 2.0 alpha 5 useable?
[17:19] <adz21c> sign up to digg, they pop up every so often
[17:21] <DreadKnight> just imagine kubuntu 8.04 with some polished kde 4.1 and koffice 2 xD
[17:21] <subopt> I just ran adept_notifier and it couldn't commit the changes, because of some dependency conflicts. However, it's offering to do a version upgrade, which i assume means going from Kubuntu 7.10 to Kubuntu x.yy. Is this typically a bomb-proof process?
[17:21] <zubat> Hey, if i where to install KDE on ubuntu would I experience the same performance as kubuntu would give me
[17:21] <DreadKnight> zubat: yes
[17:21] <zubat> cool thanks just checking
[17:22] <inaety> DreadKnight: have you used Kopete 0.5?
[17:22] <DreadKnight> inaety: kopete-kde4 ?
[17:22] <inaety> yeah, they tell me it's 0.5
[17:22] <DreadKnight> inaety: it's unpolished like hell and you can't connect to jabber/gtalk :(
[17:23] <dick-richardson> How do you autorun applications in kde4? I had scripts and links under ~/.kde/Autostart - is there similar in kde4?
[17:23] <adz21c> dick-richardson: i believe its the same
[17:23] <inaety> DreadKnight: it's pretty sick for me. i don't use jabber/gtalk though.  is there a place where i can submit bugs for it?
[17:23] <inaety> i have a few
[17:23] <DreadKnight> dick-richardson: ,kde4......
[17:24] <DreadKnight> inaety: well, i seen reports at launchpad
[17:24] <DreadKnight> ve*
[17:24] <DreadKnight> inaety: do you have a launchpad account?
[17:25] <inaety> DreadKnight: don't think so i remember submitting a bug a long time ago but that was on a different name...ill register again. launchpad.net?
[17:25] <dick-richardson> DreadKnight: thank you!
[17:26] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh wait it's under inaety, then yes i have an account...hah
[17:26] <DreadKnight> inaety: www.launchpad.net
[17:26] <DreadKnight> inaety: great :)
[17:27] <DreadKnight> inaety: as far as i know it's the kde policy/requirement for all the apps to be hosted and have the tracker at the kde site... but seen submissions in launchpad too, since it's kubuntu related after all..
[17:27] <DreadKnight> imho, gnome and kde should move to launchpad xD
[17:28] <inaety> DreadKnight: well if launchpad is the place to put it then i will put it there. i doubt the kde developers will just ignore the bugs on launchpad if they aren't on their site
[17:28] <dick-richardson> there isn't an Autostart directory under .kde4...will it recognize it  if added?
[17:28] <stdin> dick-richardson: try it and see
[17:29] <inaety> DreadKnight: is there like a kopete section
[17:29] <DreadKnight> inaety: put kopete-kde4 as binary package hint
[17:30] <inaety> DreadKnight: uh right now i see kopete-kde4 under Ubuntu in the package name when i hit report a bug
[17:30] <DreadKnight> inaety: i think kopete is part of kdenetwork-kde4
[17:31] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh and these aren't technically bugs..Kopete doesn't crash just there are things wrong with it
[17:31] <DreadKnight> inaety: kubuntu = ubuntu with KDE
[17:31] <inaety> DreadKnight: really? i wasn't sure
[17:31] <ender> Yeah, they're not bugs...they are features
[17:31] <DreadKnight> inaety: still bugs, just make sure they haven't submited before.. if so... confirm the bugs by posting a comment...
[17:32] <inaety> mkay
[17:32] <DreadKnight> inaety: kubuntu and ubuntu have the same repository, just different desktop enviroments
[17:32] <inaety> DreadKnight: i knwo that
[17:35] <giuseppe_> hi, anyone can tell me why sometimes qhen I try to turn off  my notebook happens that my pc remains turn on?
[17:35] <persen__> When i click the "Version upgrade" button in Adept Manager, the "Downloading and verifying the upgrade tool..." message shows forever (hangs)..  Anyone experienced this?
[17:36] <persen__> Im upgrading from feisty to gutsy
[17:36] <jlm> Quick kde4 question:  I
[17:36] <jlm> I've been trying to figure out how to configure plasma... any pointers?
[17:37] <emilsedgh> jlm: there is no GUI for configuring plasma, you could edit rc files
[17:37] <jlm> Ahh... ok... that's what I starting to wonder...
[17:37] <emilsedgh> Next Question :P
[17:37] <RadiantFire> jlm: plasma came out a few minutes short of golden brown, gui config comes in 4.1 I think
[17:38] <emilsedgh> RadiantFire: it will come in future 4.0 versions too
[17:38] <inaety> DreadKnight: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork-kde4/+bug/182349 w00t
[17:38] <jlm> :)
[17:38] <RadiantFire> spectacular
[17:38] <jlm> K... thanks guys... just googlin for this wasn't turning up anything very quickly...
[17:38] <ody> hi all, so isnt there any solution for the flash plugin?
[17:38] <Flare183> !flash
[17:38] <ciacon> Hi Folks - I have freshly installed Kubuntu 7.10 - I have problems setting up my Intersil Corporation ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) - what can I best do?? my googling didn't really help much
[17:38] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:39] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[17:39] <ody> cheers
[17:41] <blkorpheus> is there any way to make this kde4 panel smaller?
[17:41] <appelza> Hi guys
[17:41] <stdin> blkorpheus: not yet
[17:42] <appelza> Is there some sort of xorg configurator?  My monitor is on auto detect and using the restricted nvidia drivers, 8600GTS but I can't select all my refresh rates/resolutions
[17:42] <appelza> (kubuntu 7.10)
[17:44] <ender> Appelza: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't working for you?
[17:44] <DreadKnight> inaety: gj :)
[17:44] <blkorpheus> stdin: ty
[17:44] <appelza> will try
[17:45] <DreadKnight> appelza: just choose manually a predefined one "lcd 1024x768" for example
[17:45] <blkorpheus> appelza: I JUST now fixed that issue with mine
[17:45] <blkorpheus> I think I got lucky with my xorg
[17:45] <DreadKnight> appelza: well, choose according to your needs :D
[17:45] <appelza> mind pasting your xorg.conf somewhere then incase I dont win, blkorpheus ? :)
[17:45] <blkorpheus> appelza: I'll pastebin my xorg.conf if you'd like?
[17:45] <appelza> awesome, yeah please
[17:45] <blkorpheus> :)
[17:47] <DreadKnight> appelza: http://pastebin.org/15082
[17:47] <blkorpheus> appelza: its not the prettiest
[17:47] <DreadKnight> appelza: i made it recently for someone else :D
[17:47] <blkorpheus> http://pastebin.com/dc494881
[17:47] <inaety> DreadKnight: have you had trouble installing okular, i get this when i try http://pastebin.com/m394a740c
[17:48] <andreas_> hello
[17:48] <DreadKnight> inaety: i got okular-kde4 installed from kde4 :P
[17:48] <andreas_> i have a queston
[17:48] <appelza> thanks guys
[17:48] <andreas_> what program can i use to capture some video with my webcam?
[17:48] <DreadKnight> andreas_: cheese
[17:48] <appelza> stdin: is kde4 available through universe yet or do I have to add the extra source to the list?
[17:49] <appelza> err..anyone can answer that, sorry :]
[17:49] <andreas_> cheese?
[17:49] <andreas_> is it a good one?
[17:49] <stdin> appelza: it should mostly be in -backports by now
[17:49] <DreadKnight> appelza: only some packages as far as i know...
[17:49] <NeoFax> Anyone here using uswsusp?
[17:49] <inaety> DreadKnight: that's not even fair
[17:50] <appelza> thanks
[17:50] <DreadKnight> inaety: sudo apt-get install okular-kde4
[17:50] <DreadKnight> inaety: not okular :D
[17:50] <drcode> hi all
[17:51] <inaety> DreadKnight: i got it now, thanks a lot! i've been waiting for okular really more than any other kde4 program
[17:51] <inaety> besides koffice and kopete
[17:51] <drcode> I am using kubuntu 7.10,  I want to run aiglx or xgl, I don't see kde xgl only gnome , any idea?
[17:51] <DreadKnight> inaety: hehe, i think it's great.. just that the icons on the left are to abbusive...
[17:52] <DreadKnight> inaety: kopete is scary right now :( koffice2.. i can barely wait
[17:52] <inaety> DreadKnight: kopete is good right now, it's improved but looks a little overlooked. koffice will be sick im thinking about getting the alpha.  for me koffice 1.xx were bad
[17:53] <appelza> cool, going to try restart x server then :]
[17:54] <DreadKnight> inaety: i've been using kword for a few days and it has issues :(...
[17:54] <DreadKnight> oh well, breaktime over...
[17:55] <inaety> DreadKnight: the alpha? i want to use kword because i like Qt so much but it doesn't turn out the way i want to.  for instance it starts off with Sans at size 8 because thats my default font which is completely atrocious with a document and Times New Roman at 12 looks like crap when i print it
[17:55] <DreadKnight> inaety: i meant with 1.x.x.. haven't tried any of the 2.x.x
[17:57] <inaety> DreadKnight: do you get the same issue?
[17:57] <appelza> meh
[17:57] <inaety> maybe it's my font DPI settings but i can't print a document and have it look decent
[17:57] <appelza> Selected my samsung 900p from the list, but still dont have correct refresh rates
[17:59] <DreadKnight> inaety: i have all sorts of issues like that ...
[17:59] <Blueskaj> appelza, relogin after applying your res and refresh rate changes
[17:59] <appelza> anyone wanna have a look at my xorg.conf?
[17:59] <SpookyET> hi
[18:00] <appelza> i have relogged, but I dont see the refresh rates in the drop down as I should
[18:00] <SpookyET> I have downloaded KDE 4.0. I'm totally disappointed in the release. I understand that software is never ready, but this thing is really not ready. It sucks.
[18:00] <inaety> DreadKnight: okay good maybe another bug report :P, you said you had to get back to work, so ill stop bothering you thanks for all help
[18:00] <llutz> inaety: kde4.0 wasn't made to be used in production.systems, its for developpers and testers, so what do you expect?
[18:00] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: yeah.. its somewhat a joke... should be in alpha :)
[18:01] <DreadKnight> inaety: hehe :D well, you should try the alpha if you mean bugreports for koffice 1.x.... try the alpha and make reports ;)
[18:01] <SpookyET> DreadKnight: It's not complete. How do you even resize the fat bar at the bottom?
[18:01] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: you can't
[18:01] <SpookyET> Maybe, they have NASA size screens, I don't
[18:02] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: :))
[18:02] <DreadKnight> SpookyET: virtual reality man
[18:02] <adz21c> resizing panels from gui has not been implemented
[18:02] <SpookyET> More like weed reality.
[18:02] <inaety> llutz: we are talking about koffice 1.xx
[18:02] <inaety> DreadKnight: all right ill give it go
[18:03] <llutz> @ SpookyET , sry inaety
[18:03] <inaety> llutz: oh all right no problem
[18:03] <DreadKnight> inaety: let me know how it turns out :) guess if you compile from source it takes a couple of hours...
[18:03] <inaety> llutz: i was like wth :P
[18:03] <inaety> DreadKnight: oh wonderful
[18:03] <inaety> and i will
[18:04] <DreadKnight> inaety: good luck with it
[18:04] <DreadKnight> inaety: perhaps tomorow you will able to share your experience  :)
[18:04] <adz21c> hey i am running eclipse 3.2 under ubuntu 7.10 x64. I am trying to get visual editor to work, but it fails with this message "IWAV0138E Remote VM terminated too soon." Any ideas why this is happening? Cheers
[18:04] <inaety> DreadKnight: perhaps
[18:04] <inaety> thanks
[18:04] <DreadKnight> :)
[18:05] <andreas_> hey whenever i run camorama i get an error cannot connect to /dev/video0
[18:05] <andreas_> my camera is built in my dell laptop
[18:05] <andreas_> why do i get that error?????
[18:05] <appelza> could anyone please look at my xorg.conf and tell me why I cant choose 1152x864@85hz (or even 75 for that matter)
[18:05] <appelza> http://pastebin.com/m680d16b3
[18:09] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  most likely the camera has no linux support, or the proper module forit is not loaded
[18:10] <andreas_> the camera has linux support because on Kopete it works
[18:10] <giuseppe_> giuseppe
[18:10] <andreas_> is there a way to see where my camera is mounted?
[18:10] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  it might not be at /dev/video0 then perhaps?
[18:10] <andreas_> that's what i say
[18:10] <andreas_> how can i check?
[18:10] <Dr_willis> normally one dosetn mount video cameras.
[18:11] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  look at /de/video* see what else is there. check dmesg output.
[18:11] <andreas_> what if it is in /dev/vid0 or /dev/video1?
[18:11] <Dr_willis> then you set the settings for the program to look in the right place I guess.
[18:11] <giuseppe_> hi, anyone can tell me why sometimes when I try to turn off  my notebook happens that it remains turn on?
[18:11] <andreas_> so what command should i run?
[18:11] <pascal_> muh
[18:12] <blkorpheus> appelza: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO
[18:12] <Dr_willis> andreas_,  to do what part? :) dmesg - shows the dmesg output tha may have sime info on the device. ls -l /dev/vid* will list all video devices
[18:13] <Dr_willis> I have severl /dev/vide* devices - from my tv tuner card.
[18:13] <andreas_> crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-01-12 13:59 /dev/video0
[18:13] <andreas_> so what does that mean?
[18:13] <Dr_willis> that meand you have a single video device looks like. /dev/video0
[18:14] <andreas_> then why does the program not connect to the cam?
[18:14] <Dr_willis> so i got no other ideas then to check the program/docs/faq.  This is abut the extent of my webcam knowledge.
[18:14] <andreas_> does it have to do with the permissions?
[18:14] <Dr_willis> Normally only one progarm will be accessing that thing at a time. be sure you are not running both at the same time, could try running it as root also.
[18:14] <Dr_willis> well i am off to get cigs. BBl.
[18:17] <PJC> anyone else's adept manager hanging at 99% of fetching headers in KDE4?
[18:20] <inaety> is there an ark for kd4?
[18:20] <inaety> kde4
[18:20] <inaety> nvm
[18:20] <PJC> its under utilities > file
[18:27] <LiveCDUser> umm stupid question to ask but, how can i add MP3 PLayer sync support to Linux?
[18:29] <inaety> LiveCDUser: what mp3 is it
[18:29] <inaety> iPod? MTP?
[18:29] <inaety> !mp3
[18:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:30] <inaety> egh nothing there
[18:31] <LiveCDUser> MTP
[18:31] <LiveCDUser> my bad had to rush to teh door
[18:32] <subopt> I just ran adept_notifier and it couldn't commit the changes, because of some dependency conflicts. However, it's offering to do a version upgrade, which i assume means going from Kubuntu 7.10 to Kubuntu x.yy. Is this typically a bomb-proof process?
[18:32] <inaety> LiveCDUser: you need libmtp support
[18:32] <inaety> and you can use amaroK to connect to it
[18:34] <blkorpheus> is there anyway to get the default widgets back on th epanel?
[18:35] <blkorpheus> I keep borking my panel trying to get widgets on the desktop
[18:36] <blkorpheus> well nvm, the whole DE crashed, wipin out the wallpaper and resetting the panel
[18:37] <blkorpheus> but it still looks cool
[18:37] <blkorpheus> and it did not restart X at least
[18:37] <ryanrk> Is there an easy noob way (gui) way of add an NFS share to my desktop
[18:37] <ryanrk> i'm trying to use konqueror but i can't seem to get that to work
[18:43] <ghed> hi
[18:43] <ghed> hi kristjan
[18:45] <appelza> Cool, got my refresh rate etc working
[18:45] <ryanrk> Is there an easy noob way (gui) way of add an NFS share to my desktop
[18:46] <Botulinux> hello everybody, I just installed kde4 and I have big prblems with the fonts ex. extremly large windows title, extremly small menu text
[18:46] <Botulinux> no luck with the system preferences
[18:46] <subopt> How safe is the Version Upgrade process in adept_notifier? I've got a lot of work deadlines looming, and can't afford to spend all day fixing a bad upgrade, or re-installing from scratch.
[18:46] <subopt> (Running 7.10 now.)
[18:46] <voonte> Botulinux: Did you set the correct dpi?
[18:48] <Botulinux> ehm where is this setting? with kde3 it's all right
[18:49] <stdin> Botulinux: look in system settings -> appearance
[18:50] <Botulinux> ok, i'll log to kde4 and try, which value should I have (19'' monitor)?
[18:51] <stdin> Botulinux: I don't know, try a few numbers and see how they look
[18:53] <Botulinux> ok, btw I'm tryng to look at the config files, i found this in kdeglobals:
[18:53] <Botulinux> [$Version]
[18:53] <Botulinux> update_info=socks.upd:kde3.0/r1
[18:53] <Botulinux> [General]
[18:53] <Botulinux> desktopFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:53] <Botulinux> fixed=Monospace,16,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> font=Sans Serif,18,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> menuFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> smallestReadableFont=Sans Serif,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> taskbarFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> toolBarFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <Botulinux> [WM]
[18:54] <Botulinux> activeFont=Sans Serif,14,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0
[18:54] <selckin> !paste
[18:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:54] <Botulinux> ok, sorry
[18:55] <console_jockey> I wanted to contribute some information relating to an issue I've had for the last week or so while attempting to playback mp3's.  I discovered that at some point libxine1-ffmpeg 1.1.8 was installed which broke xine, vlc, amarok and noatun playback.  I restored libxine1-ffmeg 1.1.7 and they are now working.  Is this something suitable for a factoid or someplace I can post this information for others?
[18:55] <voonte> Botulinux: did you try to set a fixed DPI in systemsettings / appearances?
[18:55] <console_jockey> note: my installation is kubuntu gutsy...
[18:56] <Botulinux> going to try
[18:56] <voonte> Also, what does: grep -i DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log   tell you? It will hopefully let you know which dpi you're running now
[18:56] <Botulinux> 72
[19:00] <kubuntu_> hola?
[19:00] <vamsi> Hello all.
[19:00] <vamsi> i am having trouble viewing youtube/google videos/any flash video in firefox
[19:00] <kubuntu_> speak in spanish in this room?
[19:00] <vamsi> flash player is installed properly
[19:01] <kubuntu_> alguien habla español?
[19:01] <vamsi> and the video plays too
[19:01] <voonte> !es
[19:01] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:01] <kubuntu_> ok gracias =)
[19:01] <vamsi> only problem is that the flash video plays very slowly breaks every frame
[19:01] <the-erm> How to put this into words ...
[19:01] <stdin> console_jockey: please post that to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+filebug
[19:02] <vamsi> can somebody please help me with this?
[19:03] <jhutchins> vamsi: What are your hardware specs?
[19:03] <vamsi> jhutchins: pentium 3 866mhz processor 384mb ram and intel 82810 graphics card
[19:04] <ader10> Help me please, when I try to start KDE, nothing pops up except for this error dialog: "Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation" I've been trying at this for about 6 hours with no luck.
[19:05] <stdin> ader10: sounds like your /tmp is full, which normally means you have used all the space on /
[19:05] <ader10> stdin: It's not. If you don't believe me I"ll show you my df output
[19:05] <Dr_willis> sure its not been mounted read only?
[19:06] <ader10> yes
[19:06] <Dr_willis> why dont you tell us What yoyu have checked then... :)
[19:06] <Dr_willis> thet will be faster then us guessing/you replying.. nope.. not that. :)
[19:07] <ader10> Assume I haven't checked anything, because in my past experience it's something small that's overlooked
[19:07] <Dr_willis> Last time i had a similer message. My Main hd was going bad and the system remounted read only. The Mount command will show if its that.
[19:07] <ader10> sorry if I'm being kind of demanding/hard to work with
[19:07] <vamsi> Can somebody please help me with this flashplayer issue
[19:07] <Dr_willis> try wriging a rile to the users home dir.
[19:07] <Dr_willis> try writing a FILE to the users home dir.  I mean.
[19:07] <biovore> !flash
[19:07] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:07] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[19:07] <nexamac> !topic
[19:07] <stdin> ader10: do you have separate partitions for /home / or /var ?
[19:07] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[19:08] <ader10> stdin: all in /
[19:08] <ader10> stdin: I mean all in one partition
[19:08] <vamsi> ubotu: flash is installed. flash actually works fine on my firefox. problem is that flash videos do not play properly they break almost every frame
[19:08] <Dr_willis> Iwould see if the user can make a file in /home/USERNAME, then try making a file in /tmp, it could be the permissions on /tmp got messed up.
[19:08] <ader10> Dr_willis: http://pastebin.com/m39bfb7f8
[19:09] <stdin> ader10: what's the permissions on /tmp, /tmp-(your user name), /var/tmp and /var/tmp/kdecache-(your user name) ?
[19:09] <ader10> Dr_willis: david@david-desktop:~$ touch /tmp/hi
[19:09] <ader10> david@david-desktop:~$
[19:09]  * marcx_away is back.
[19:09] <stdin> vamsi: ubotu is a bot
[19:10] <stdin> !away > marcx
[19:10] <nexamac> !ubotu
[19:10] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:10] <Dr_willis> ader10,  try making a new user. see if the problem affects them also.
[19:10] <nexamac> :<
[19:10] <vamsi> stdin: thanks. just came to know about that.
[19:11] <vamsi> stdin: can you please help me with my flash issue?
[19:11] <ader10> Dr_willis: :S the owner of /tmp is david (my account) and /var/tmp is 777
[19:11] <NexaMac> vamsi: did you try googling?
[19:11] <stdin> vamsi: I don't know what the issue is
[19:11] <stdin> ader10: the owner of /tmp is you??
[19:11] <Dr_willis> drwxrwxrwt  19 root root  4096 2008-01-12 14:11 tmp
[19:11] <NexaMac> stdin: he told the bot ;P
[19:12] <Dr_willis> Thats who owns my tmp. if david owns temp then only david can write to it.. the other apps may be trying to write to it as some other service/user
[19:12] <ader10> stdin: yes, because someone either on #kde or here told me to
[19:12] <ader10> Dr_willis: david owns tmp, but it's 777
[19:12] <stdin> NexaMac: yes, and anything you say to the bot that has the word "is" in it get's forwarded to the operators channel...
[19:12] <Dr_willis> that sounds like a big security type issue to me.
[19:12] <ader10> Dr_willis: someone on either here or #kde told me to try that, so that's not the problem :(
[19:13] <NexaMac> stdin: [20:08] <vamsi> ubotu: flash is installed. flash actually works fine on my firefox. problem is that flash videos do not play properly they break almost every frame
[19:13] <vamsi> stdin: i have a p3 866mhz with 384mb ram and intel 82810 graphics card. i can play video files fine. flash in firefox works fine too. but the problem is flash videos in firefox. they do not play well.
[19:13] <Dr_willis> we are not even sure its /tmp's problem. that error message suggested it MIGHT be a /tmp issue.
[19:13] <NexaMac> so basically, flash works, but it doesnt.
[19:13] <stdin> NexaMac: yes thanks, but I can read :)
[19:13] <NexaMac> ..
[19:13] <NexaMac> ill just google some for you vamsi
[19:13] <ader10> Dr_willis: what if it isn't a /tmp problem?
[19:14] <vamsi> NexaMac: google did not help me much. most of the hits were to flash player installation issues
[19:14] <Dr_willis> ader10,  thats why i suggested making a new user and seeifn if it works for them..
[19:14] <ader10> Dr_willis: alright...
[19:14] <Dr_willis> ader10,  if it works for a new user, but not the old one.. that suggests tio me that its a user setting file that got messed up
[19:14] <ader10> Dr_willis: I expect the same error though but I'll try it
[19:14] <NexaMac> vamsi: www.altavista.com "flash works" +"skip frame" probably does the trick
[19:14] <Dr_willis> of course with the 'other' fix's youve tried on /tmp that MAY cause issues with the other users
[19:14] <NexaMac> naw it idnt :>
[19:14] <NexaMac> didnt*
[19:15] <ader10> Dr_willis: trying it now, brb
[19:15] <flami> Hi , I wanted to know if the Kubuntu Cd you can download is a live cd like the Ubuntu Cd or if its still like debian when you start it
[19:15] <NexaMac> flami: its live
[19:15] <flami> thanks
[19:16] <NexaMac> np
[19:16] <Dr_willis>  lnusertemp — tool to create KDE resources and symlinks to them
[19:16] <Dr_willis> i wonder if some file its tring to make/link allready exists.
[19:16] <NexaMac> vamsi: http://www.actionscript.org/forums/printthread.php3?t=28670&pp=40 <--- check the VERY bottom
[19:16] <NexaMac> sound like your issue?
[19:17] <vamsi> NexaMac: thanks, checking the actionscript.org forum now
[19:17] <olimpico> How can I change the size of the panel on KDE4
[19:17] <ader10> Dr_willis: you are correct, my user "asdf" works fine.
[19:17] <olimpico> ???
[19:18] <ader10> Dr_willis: Thanks for helping me out this far, but how can I log in with my normal account daviv?
[19:18] <ader10> david*
[19:18] <Dr_willis> ader10,  lnusertemp makes some links it seems from the users dir, to other places. those files may have gotten their permissions wrong
[19:18] <SSJ_GZ> olimpico: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Why_can.27t_I_auto-hide.2F_resize_the_panel.3F__Can_I_add_a_new_panel.3F
[19:18] <Dr_willis> i would say clean out your other users .kde dir (or just move it) then move the settings back one by one that you need
[19:18] <vamsi> NexaMac: "To achieve this, import a sound onto your _root timeline, and set it to stream. also turn the volume of it right down, so you cant hear it." How can I do that?
[19:19] <flami> Oh I forgot ... is ntfs-3g preinstalled  ?
[19:19] <NexaMac> vamsi: google ;D
[19:19] <ader10> Dr_willis: my other user = ?
[19:19] <NexaMac> dunno, im no guru honestly vamsi
[19:19] <Dr_willis> Note that just removing the .kde dir - will RESET kde totally to defaults.. and mwill delete your kmail stuff and all other kde tool settings
[19:19] <ader10> Dr_willis: that's good because I haven't had kde on this partition ever
[19:19] <ader10> Dr_willis: so I should just remove david's .kde dir?
[19:19] <Dr_willis> ader10,  if you dont care aboyt your .kde dir. just delete it or remove it.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> or rename it.. or zip it and send it to santa clause.. or...
[19:20] <ader10> Dr_willis: and you expect everything to be dandy after that?
[19:20] <Dr_willis> ader10,  ive had to reset kde this way befor.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> thats why i suggested the 'try a new user' test. :)
[19:20] <ader10> I'll send it to santa after the problem gets fixed :)
[19:20] <ader10> be right back
[19:22] <NickPresta> What are the differences between D3lphin in Kubuntu 7.10 and Dolphin, shipped with KDE 4?
[19:23] <SSJ_GZ> NickPresta: Dolphin is ported to KDE4 and much improved over D3lphin
[19:23] <NexaMac> vamsi: i gotta flee, gl tho, ill be back in like eh.. 5 hours :P
[19:23] <NexaMac> if ya havent got it working by then, shout out ;o
[19:23] <NickPresta> SSJ_GZ, so I might actually like using it in KDE 4? ;)
[19:23] <SSJ_GZ> NickPresta: You never know ;)
[19:23] <vamsi> NexaMac: thank you for your time. you gave me something to work on for now
[19:24] <Psycoshot> Hey what does:  mount: could not find any free loop device
[19:24] <Psycoshot> Mean?
[19:24] <NexaMac> vamsi: altavista > google ;)
[19:24] <|david|> how can i setup my network config on kde 4?
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Thers a kde4 network config tool i saw in the package manager.. it may not of gotten isntalled
[19:25] <ader10> Thank you Dr_willis, that fixed the problem! Apparently only root had permissions to .kde and .kde4
[19:25] <ader10> Dr_willis: I believe this is the 2nd time you've helped me :)
[19:26] <|david|> Dr_willis: is installed
[19:27] <Psycoshot> Does anyone know how to solve
[19:27] <Psycoshot> mount: could not find any free loop device
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Psycoshot,  how many you got mounted? I think theres a limit by default of like 8 or 16
[19:28] <Psycoshot> Oh. How do I unmount.
[19:28] <Dekkard> to anyone who worked on this kde4 release.. NIce!
[19:28] <Psycoshot> Dr_willis you are right.
[19:29] <Psycoshot> Dr_willis : What command should I use to unmount?
[19:29] <Mother_Goblin> Any one knows how to get more widgets on kde 4 ??
[19:29] <Mother_Goblin> umount /dev/device
[19:29] <Psycoshot> Th
[19:29] <Psycoshot> Ty*
[19:29] <Mother_Goblin> :D
[19:30] <Psycoshot> Mother_Goblin: It says its mounted multiple times? What command do I use then?
[19:32] <Psycoshot> Mother_Goblin: It says its mounted multiple times? What command do I use then?
[19:32] <Dr_willis> umount /media/whatever
[19:32] <Dr_willis> what did you do to mount them? :)
[19:32] <LamerMan> hi everyone! how can i make kubuntu save memory dumps after program crash?
[19:32] <Psycoshot> umount /mnt/iso
[19:32] <Psycoshot> umount: it seems /mnt/iso is mounted multiple times
[19:33] <Psycoshot> I used:
[19:33] <Dr_willis> why did you mount it several times? :)
[19:33] <Psycoshot> I didn't know it stayed mounted.
[19:33] <Psycoshot> I though it auto unmounted.
[19:33] <amministratore> buonasera
[19:33] <Psycoshot> hehe noob mistake.
[19:34] <Dr_willis> well it stays untill you reboot
[19:34] <Psycoshot> Oh ok.
[19:35] <Psycoshot> Reboot it is then...
[19:35] <Psycoshot> XD
[19:35] <Dr_willis> thats proberly the easiest way.
[19:35] <Psycoshot> Alright. Thanks.
[19:37] <Mother_Goblin> Any one knows how to get more widgets on kde 4 ?
[19:37] <Dr_willis> try kde-look.org ?
[19:37] <Dr_willis> Ive just about given up on kde4 for now. :)
[19:38] <Mother_Goblin> I'm liking !
[19:39] <stdin> Mother_Goblin: there are some in the extragear-plasma package, though they aren't as stable as the ones included
 thanks!
[19:40] <Mother_Goblin> will check it...
[19:40] <Mother_Goblin> worst case it will broke the widget right, and not all plasma?
[19:41] <stdin> it may crash plasma, but it should just restart. and it won't be a permanent break
[19:41] <whiteda> Mother_Goblin,  try it and see  - I lose all my plasma settings when it crashes
[19:41] <Mother_Goblin> :D
[19:41] <Mother_Goblin> Will, downloading!
[19:42] <whiteda> and they don't come back
[19:42] <Mother_Goblin> Nice job with the kde4 package!
[19:42] <Mother_Goblin> I crash it once too, and need to remove the .kde4 dir....
[19:43] <whiteda> yes removing .kde4 lets you start over again, but it is a sledgehammer solution
[19:44] <appelza> When Hardy gets released, do I simply do an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade on my gutsy install to upgrade?
[19:44] <appelza> BTW, coming from gentoo I really like kubuntu, good job
[19:44] <Mother_Goblin> whiteda: kkk
[19:44] <Mother_Goblin> are the best solutions normaly!
[19:46] <stdin> appelza: no, it'll be an option in Adept
[19:47] <appelza> stdin: oh ok, isnt adept just a front end to apt though?
[19:48] <appelza> or will it be a dist-upgrade option then if I wanted to use apt-get instead
[19:48] <Dr_willis> everything in linux seems to be a front end. :)
[19:48] <Dr_willis> I think at the bottom.. busybox is doing everything :P
[19:48] <stdin> appelza: it doesn't just do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" when you upgrade, that won't work anyway
[19:49] <appelza> Ok cool, I'll use adept for that then
[19:49] <appelza> What do you think about normal apt-getting, or should I just use adept wherever possible?
[19:49] <appelza> (I've used debian before, thats why I'm already comfortable using apt)
[19:49] <stdin> use whatever you feel more comfortable using day-to-day
[19:50] <stdin> other than version upgrades, there's no real advantage to adept over apt for installing packages
[19:50] <appelza> Cool
[19:50] <appelza> Thanks
[19:50] <fonz> anyone else having icon issues with the kde4 livecds?
[19:51] <fonz> *live cd
[19:51] <Mother_Goblin> fonz: what kinf of issues?
[19:51] <Mother_Goblin> kind*
[19:52] <appelza> stdin: BTW, are you a kubuntu dev / kde dev or both?
[19:52] <appelza> :]
[19:52] <fonz> Mother_Goblin: a few icons are missing
[19:52] <stdin> appelza: depends on your definition of "dev" ;)
[19:53] <appelza> you seem to have created the kubuntu kde4 packages, and its on the official site.  I think that qualifies :P
[19:53] <fonz> Mother_Goblin: most noticeably, Dolphin, Konqueror, System Settings
[19:53] <Dr_willis> I wrote a wiki page the other day.. do i count? :)
[19:53] <stdin> fonz: it's a known issue
[19:54] <Mother_Goblin> fonz: itch.... Here is working, but is not live....
[19:54] <fonz> also, gwenview seems to crash on startup
[19:54] <hola> kPackage does not recognize root passwd, is it a bug?
[19:55] <stdin> hola: do you have a root password set?
[19:55] <jussi01> stdin: I have that same issue
[19:56] <fonz> jussi01: all of your icons show up in the kmenu?
[19:56] <Dr_willis> Hm. it worked here.. I DO have a root password set. :)
[19:56] <stdin> jussi01: kdesu (KDE4) is asking for the root pass, not the sudo pass
[19:56] <hola> stdin: the same I use with dke3
[19:56] <jussi01> stdin: ahh
[19:56] <hola> kde3
[19:56] <stdin> hola: kde3 version asks for the sudo pass
[19:57] <hola> the problem is in kde4
[19:57] <hola> kde3 wiorks fine
[19:57] <stdin> yes, that's my point
[19:58] <hola> stdin: i dont understand so
[19:59] <Dr_willis> so to get  kpackage working one souldd use 'kdesu kpackage' perhaps as a work around
[19:59] <stdin> hola: see https://launchpad.net/bugs/182319
[19:59] <stdin> Dr_willis: no "kdesudo"
[19:59] <Dr_willis> I never can rember all these name variations. :)
[20:00] <stdin> "kdesud" would use the kde4 version, as it's first in the $PATH
[20:00] <stdin> *"kdesu"
[20:00] <Dr_willis> so they changed it again from kde3 to 4 now?
[20:00] <stdin> no, kdesudo is something we made to fix several kdesu issues
[20:00]  * Dr_willis screams. :)
[20:01] <hola> Dr_willis: kpackage-kde4
[20:01] <stdin> kdesu is a wrapper around "su", kdesudo is a wrapper around "sudo", see what we did there? ;)
[20:01] <hola> Dr_willis: QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1245604160
[20:01] <Dr_willis> Im going back to using sux :)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> hmm, run command disappeared in "4" , wonder what it's called now ?
[20:05] <Dr_willis> i saw it on the right click menu.. or are your refering to somthing different?
[20:05] <Mother_Goblin> run command is a need....
[20:06] <Dr_willis> I must be the only one that constantly has a terminal window open?
[20:07] <Mother_Goblin> Dr_willis: Sure not!
[20:07] <Dr_willis> well on the desktop right click. thers a 'run command' item. that then pops up a somewhat Ugly dialog box. :)
[20:08] <Dr_willis> then of course i ran konsole, and it gave me some odd error/info message, but konsole still ran.
[20:08] <Dr_willis> of course then the whole desktop crashed..
[20:08] <stdin> Dr_willis: that's krunner,and that is the "Run Command" dialog
[20:09] <morphine_> howdy folks, I'm wondering how to automatically mount a lvm partition using fstab
[20:09] <corinth> I don't seem to have any desktop icons in KDE 4. Any help?
[20:11] <Dr_willis> I dont have any either.. and i like it that way. :)
[20:12] <Dr_willis> What icons are you expecting?
[20:12] <GliderMike> While this is the initial release, and much is too come...anyone overall not that impressed by KDE4?
[20:12] <Dr_willis> GliderMike,  I agree there.
[20:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[20:13] <aantipop> my root's home is empty (/root) is that supposed to be like that ?
[20:13] <biovore> I think KDE4 has great potental..
[20:13] <Dr_willis> ktorrent 4 is givene me errors.. cant continue torrent.. too many open files.
[20:13] <Dr_willis> Thats.. odd
[20:13] <corinth> Dr_willis: the icons for my removable media and other partitions.
[20:13] <biovore> but I don;t think kde4 is ready for prim-time yet..
[20:13] <GliderMike> I agree, it really needs a few more point releases
[20:14] <theTheme> Hey everyone, I have a hardware question.  I have a laptop (Akoya EX) that is getting older now.  I noticed when I first switched over to Kubuntu it ran cooler than in windows and the fan ran less often, but now the opposit is happening the computer is getting hot and the fan is running but moving less air.  So, I have two questions really, Is the a way in Kubuntu to monitor system heat or make sure that everying is running
[20:14] <theTheme> effecientlty, or second where could I find a new fan for the laptop, or both
[20:15] <biovore> If there as a better subsystem for kde4 to run on.. I think it could top apple and windows..  just alsa kinda sucks and the graphics support is spoty on linux atm..  (Hopefully this will change)
[20:15] <GliderMike> theTheme: do you have processes that running a lot of CPU continuously?
[20:16] <Dr_willis> heh ktorrent4 just crashed.. or is it krashed?
[20:16]  * stdin points to #kubuntu-offtopic and reminds people that that's where non-support related discussion goes
[20:16] <amazon_> alguem do brasil
[20:16] <amazon_> ?
[20:16] <stdin> !br
[20:16] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[20:17] <theTheme> GliderMike: No, that used to be the case, but tonight I left it with nothing running and it was still quite hot, I have sysguard running and it diddn't look like anything was running.  I even had it propped up to increase the air circulation on the bottom
[20:17] <GliderMike> oops, didn't realize this was support only...my bad.
[20:18] <GliderMike> so it's running hot and with fan even with minimal CPU utilization, strange
[20:18] <amazon_> stdin: veio não tem ninguém nesses canais
[20:18] <amazon_> vc pode mim dar uma ajuda
[20:18] <amazon_> ?
[20:19] <theTheme> GliderMike: do you know anyway to monitor system temp in kubuntu?
[20:19] <appelza> Sweet
[20:19] <appelza> time to check out kde4!
[20:19] <appelza> :D
[20:19] <stdin> amazon_: #kubuntu is English language only
[20:21] <corinth> In KDE 3, there was a tool I could use to set what kind of devices would automatically have icons on the desktop., Where's the tool for this in KDE 4?
[20:27] <billybobobo> corinth: i thin k you add a Widget and when that pops openb, drag the Media one to the panel, or add to desktop
[20:28] <appelza> Niiice
[20:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, now my pw isn't accepted by the pkg managers ...needs root priveleges but won't recognize it
[20:30] <BluesKaj> in kde4
[20:30] <Dr_willis> i was about to say that billybobobo  I think the 'clutter of icons on the desktop' is being replaced with clutter of plasma widgets on the desktop. :)
[20:31] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  it wants the actual root user password. not the sudo password
[20:31] <BluesKaj> this thing is a screwup ...bigtime
[20:31] <Dr_willis> we were just discussiing thatlike 10 min ago.
[20:31] <BluesKaj> only used sudo pw with kde3 and never had a prob
[20:31] <Dr_willis>  kdesudo kpackage
[20:31] <BluesKaj> wasn't here 10 mins ago
[20:31] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  it dosent matter WHAT you did befor. :) theres an issue with kde4
[20:32] <Dr_willis> and you  are repeating the exact same stuff the other guy said.. hehheh
[20:32] <Dr_willis> 'it used to work' 'well now it dont' 'well it shoudl' 'well its not' :)
[20:32] <BluesKaj> I repeat ...I wasn't here
[20:32] <Dr_willis> i know. thats what makes it funny.
[20:33] <Dr_willis> i wonder if this will become the new #1 faq on kde4
[20:33] <BluesKaj> run command box disappeared
[20:33] <Dr_willis> look on the right click menu on the desktop
[20:33] <Dr_willis> and that seems to be faq #2 :)
 well on the desktop right click. thers a 'run command' item. that then pops up a somewhat Ugly dialog box. :)
 Dr_willis: that's krunner,and that is the "Run Command" dialog
[20:34] <Dr_willis> it ran the apps for me.. but seemed to spit out some odd error messages.
[20:34] <Dr_willis> but they ran. :P
[20:36] <LjL> what's a plausible reason why my "New session" (or whatever it's called) option disappeared from the K menu after messing with the KDE 4 packages? (or alternatively, where do you configure whether or not you have such an option?)
[20:37] <kendrick> hello
[20:37] <Level15> LjL: woa, I messed up with them but nothing happened :)
[20:38] <kendrick> so, i installed kde4-core on my kubuntu box, and when i login (to either KDE or KDE4 session types), i get a blank desktop and a window-border-less console :)
[20:38] <Level15> But I must say I am kind of dissapointed with kde4
[20:38] <wOzza> Anyone free to lend a hand to a noobie? Having a problem configuring Desktop effects on Kubuntu.
[20:38] <kendrick> i can run plasma-kde4, kwin-kde4, etc. but i'm wondering what package(s) i'm missing to get a usable desktop... and/or how to actually log back into my kde3.5 desktop :(
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: go to a console, remove what you installed, remove the kde4 repository , do apt-get update and aptitude install kde
[20:39] <kendrick> level15: seriously? :(
[20:39] <kendrick> the page on the kubuntu site said i could run both parallel
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: well, that should work :)
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: you can
[20:39] <kendrick> and either run kde4 apps from kde3, or choose to log into kde4 directly
[20:39] <Level15> kendrick: actually, I am
[20:40] <kendrick> so what step did i miss? :)
[20:40] <Level15> kendrick: but it's not worth it
[20:40] <appelza> qt3 apps look quite different to qt4 apps from within kde4 or is it just me?
[20:40] <Level15> kendrick: i think I'll remove kde4
[20:40] <appelza> uglier :P
[20:40] <kendrick> i've since installed a number of other -kde4 stuff
[20:40] <Skyblast> appelza: Yeah, your KDE3 apps will use your KDE 3.5 theme settings
[20:40] <aantipop> has somebody else problems with the look of gtk apps on kde4 ?
[20:41] <appelza> Oh ok
[20:41] <aantipop> mine is so ugly, but that might be hardys fault ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4123120&postcount=21
[20:41] <appelza> I miss being able to drag my taskbar icons around though
[20:41] <appelza> and any ideas on where I can resize the taskbar / change its colours ?
[20:41] <kendrick> hrm, ok, i guess i have to go cook now
[20:41] <kendrick> :(
[20:41] <Dr_willis> appelza,  i dont think you can at this time
[20:41] <Level15> appelza: taskbar on kde4 is quite unconfigurable...
[20:41] <kendrick> cya
[20:42] <appelza> oh ok :<
[20:42] <Skyblast> Yeah
[20:42] <Skyblast> I think this KDE4 is more for all the devs of KDE software to get their software QT4'ed and looking nice in it rather than Joe User using it as a desktop environment
[20:43] <Skyblast> For Joe User like me... it's rather incomplete.
[20:43] <Level15> I think I'll wait at least untile kde 4.0.2 or something like that b4 i give it a try... yesterday it managed to freeze my box
[20:43] <Dr_willis> Skyblast,  you got it.. :)
[20:43] <Level15> Skyblast: agreed. And quite buggy
[20:43] <tmp> I have just downloaded alpha 3 but cannot open the Monitor&Display module (in System Settings). It says that libpython2.5.so is missing. The very same error existed in both alpha 1 and alpha 2. What is going on?! How can I load the display config module?
[20:43] <blkorpheus> kde4 does not work well with mythtv-frontend
[20:43] <Skyblast> I tried it out on a LiveCD... when it's all done and settled.. it's gonna be awesome
[20:43] <blkorpheus> this damnable panel prevents the frontend from taking fullscreen
[20:43] <Skyblast> But I'm not blowing up my physical install for it ;)
[20:43] <appelza> It's very fast
[20:43] <Dr_willis> blkorpheus,  heh.
[20:44] <blkorpheus> rendering the frontend, justabout useless
[20:44] <Dr_willis> i dident find kde4 'fast' at all.. it seemed real real real sluggish.
[20:44] <appelza> odd ;p
[20:44] <MilitantPotato> Window effects crawled for me
[20:44] <Level15> Skyblast: me neither. When 8.04 comes out, I think I'll try ubuntu (as opposed to kubuntu) for a while, just to have desktop effect. Then, when kde4 is working fine, i'll come back to kubuntu
[20:44] <Skyblast> Now I am happy about the fact that Kubuntu Hardy will still have 3.5 as an option :)
[20:44] <Dr_willis> Skyblast,  it better be the default. :P
[20:45] <Level15> 3.5 will be default i think
[20:45] <Level15> 4 will not have official support i think
[20:45] <blkorpheus> whoever is responsible for this panel, needs a talk to
[20:45] <blkorpheus> ;)
[20:46] <Dr_willis> blkorpheus,  i think its just another plasma/plasmoid :)
[20:46] <Level15> blkorpheus: yeah... the most unconfigurable of them all :(
[20:46] <parkin> i dont like plasma
[20:46]  * Dr_willis gives parkin  100cc of dog plasma.
[20:46] <Dr_willis> :) saw that cartoon just now.
[20:46] <Level15> parkin: oh, it will be nice... they just rushed to release b/c they were already late
[20:46] <blkorpheus> I really want to like this kde version
[20:46] <parkin> hope so :)
[20:46] <Dr_willis> Yep. Like all things ... theres always improvements.
[20:47] <Skyblast> I'm sure we will in time... Remember, it's got soooo much brand new stuff
[20:47] <blkorpheus> I'm patient
[20:47] <Level15> i remember when i used kde 2.0.0 on my slack 7 box... it was kind of messy also, b/c it had a lot of changes from 1 to 2... just like now from 3 to 4
[20:47] <blkorpheus> its nice looking, just need to get more functionality from it
[20:47] <blkorpheus> but I have not used KDE in 10 years
[20:48] <Level15> blkorpheus: that's a long time!
[20:48] <blkorpheus> I know
[20:48] <Skyblast> heheh.. well, if worse comes to worse, I don't hate gnome... just don't prefer it
[20:48] <blkorpheus> I can back because I wanted to try kde4
[20:49] <blkorpheus> and the livecds did not do it justice
[20:49] <NickPresta> Keep in mind, if KDE 4 is unsatisfactory, KDE 3.5.8 still works wonderfully.
[20:49] <Skyblast> Maybe it is just my experience at work talking, but I always associate gnome with server... KDE is more media centic, and desktop-like
[20:49] <Level15> hey, I read the other day that 8.04 will have installer option so that your partitions are LUKS encrypted AND you can use a USB drive to unlock them
[20:50] <Dr_willis> What no Tounge-Scanner Option?
[20:50] <Skyblast> lol
[20:50] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, that's coming in hardy+1 :)
[20:50] <Skyblast> In Icky Imp? ;)
[20:50] <Dr_willis> We all know we need better wallpaper support! and Video wallpaper!
[20:51] <blkorpheus> I have no desire to run kde 3.5.x
[20:51] <Skyblast> yeah, I wish KDE would do gif wallpaper
[20:51] <Skyblast> Even XP can do that. >_>
[20:51] <Dr_willis> thats whats imporntant in a desktop.
[20:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. ive selected gif files befor I think
[20:51] <TimS> I have no desire to run kde 4
[20:51]  * Dr_willis sides with TimS  for now
[20:51] <Skyblast> Dr_willis: you can do gif's yeah, but I mean animated gif's
[20:51] <TimS> yuuuuuuck
[20:51] <blkorpheus> TimS: why is that?
[20:52] <TimS> kde 3.5 does what I tell it to.
[20:52] <TimS> KDE 4 does nothing I tell it to
[20:52] <Dr_willis> I rember animated .iff files from years ago.
[20:52] <TimS> I dont want a fat pannel
[20:52] <TimS> I dont need pasmoids
[20:52] <Level15> I like plasmoids
[20:52] <Skyblast> Agreed
[20:53] <Skyblast> I was so confused when there were no "icons" on my desktop
[20:53] <Skyblast> just these weird things that looked like icons floating around
[20:53] <Level15> I'd like one that would show me a section of a website and refresh it every few minutes or so
[20:53] <TimS> They are nice, but I have no need for them, and there no way to turn them off.
[20:53] <NickPresta> and technically, you can have a video wallpaper. (mplayer -rootwin -loop 0 video.avi) :)
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Plasmids will be how all the stuff is done. i belive
[20:53] <Dr_willis> oops plasmoids.
[20:53] <Level15> TimS you can remove them all and lock it
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Im too used to the words used in BioShock
[20:54] <TimS> :p
[20:54] <TimS> Why is there a zoom out button, I dont get that.
[20:54] <TimS> It just shows white
[20:54]  * Dr_willis goes looking for a BigDaddy to steal some Adam.
[20:54] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, I believe you're looking for the little sister. She has the ADAM :)
[20:55] <TimS> When you change destops, it doesnt change plasmoids or wallpapers, just the applications. I would like for it to change plasmoids depending on what desktop you are on. Then I might find a use for them
[20:55] <Dr_willis> THat game is sooo... creepy in ways. :P)
[20:55] <Dr_willis> There will proerly be a desktop changing plasmoid that will do that..
[20:56] <TimS> KDE 4 is like KDE 3.9
[20:56] <TimS> When 4.1 comes out, I will think about switching, it will be the true KDE4, it will be un-rushed and bug free.
[20:57] <Dr_willis> Service Pack 1 for KDE4
[20:57] <TimS> :O
[20:57] <kristjan_> TimS: dream on
[20:57] <TimS> xD
[20:58] <ubuntu_> hello guys
[20:58] <Skyblast> All in due time... Lucky for me, I don't care about bleeding edge apps unless I need them. Heck, I still run dapper on my work PC ;)
[20:58] <kristjan_> TimS: 4.5 release maybe
[20:58] <NickPresta> hi, feggia
[20:58] <TimS> The only reason for me going to KDE4 is for Amarok 2
[20:58] <TimS> Which I am GLAD was not rushed for KDE4
[20:59] <Skyblast> True.
[20:59] <Skyblast> Kopete was rushed in and it shows
[20:59] <feggia> i prefear kde3.5 look&feel
[20:59] <TimS> They set an unreachable deadline in December then when they missed it they rushed it.
[21:00] <TimS> KDE4 has a areoish look about it.
[21:00] <TimS> I don't like the window decoration, but the icons are nice
[21:00] <emilsedgh> TimS: its not a good time to judge about kde4
[21:01] <emilsedgh> TimS: its a 1 day old baby!
[21:01] <TimS> ... After its released? If you don't just things after they are released, when do you judge em?
[21:01] <TimS> Vista was judged before it was launched. Why should KDE be any different? :P
[21:01] <emilsedgh> TimS: look, Major releases are all like this
[21:01] <TimS> I know.
[21:01] <emilsedgh> TimS: Apache 2.0, Gnome 2.0, etc
[21:02] <emilsedgh> TimS: vista is propertiary!
[21:02] <emilsedgh> TimS: this is differrent in foss world
[21:02] <TimS> haha true
[21:02] <emilsedgh> foss world works with 'releasing early & often'
[21:03] <Toran> Is it possible to have 4.0 and 3.5.8 installed simultaneously without messing things up?
[21:03] <emilsedgh> just compare 3.0.0 with 3.5.8
[21:03] <corinth> Toran: Yes, easily.
[21:03] <emilsedgh> Toran: yes :)
[21:03] <Toran> is it also possible to remove 4.0 easily if I decide I'm done trying it out?
[21:03] <corinth> Toran: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[21:03] <cmckendry> Depends on your definition of "messing things up"
[21:03] <corinth> Toran: If you follow those instructions, it'll install alongside.
[21:03] <TimS> I can see that emilsedgh. I know what you mean
[21:03] <Toran> cmckendry: changing the status quo of my 3.5.8 configuration
[21:03] <Toran> thanks corinth
[21:04] <corinth> Toran: Np :P
[21:04] <emilsedgh> TimS: so dont judge and ask anothers to dont judge too!
[21:04] <emilsedgh> btw, as a Major release, i think 4.0.0 is good
[21:04] <kubuntu_> hola en que canal se habla español??
[21:04] <emilsedgh> !es | kubuntu_
[21:04] <jussi01> !es | kubuntu_
[21:04] <ubotu> kubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:04] <jussi01> hehe
[21:05] <kubuntu_> gracias
[21:05] <sandrine> how to configure irc to get msn message
[21:06] <TimS> But I disagree with release early. Bugs and apps should be updated often, but releases should not be rushed, It has happened with every release.
[21:06] <captainbraille> I have a question about running KDE4.0   -  I followed the instructions on the announcement page, I log out of 3.5.8 , I change session to 4.0 on the login screen, but when I try to start up, I see the new splash screen, and then everything goes black like if I restarted X. Anything I could try to be able to run 4.0?
[21:07] <enry> goodnight
[21:07] <_gtt_> how can i prevent kbattery from running, since i prefer klaptop?
[21:08] <muesli> hey guys
[21:08] <muesli> i feel a bit silly for asking this
[21:08] <muesli> but when single-click is activated
[21:08] <muesli> how do i select an item, not activate it?
[21:09] <kristjan_> muesli: you don't release the click?
[21:09] <muesli> uhm
[21:09] <muesli> ?
[21:09] <muesli> so i have to hold the button if i want to select something and then go make a coffee?
[21:09] <kristjan_> muesli: single click for what? opening folder?
[21:10] <g2g591> muesli: hold ctrl
[21:10] <muesli> select an item
[21:10] <muesli> then pressing f2 to rename it e.g.
[21:10] <muesli> g2g591: no, that will select it additionally to the previously selected item
[21:10] <muesli> i wonly want one item to be selected
[21:10] <kristjan_> muesli: you can right-click on it and then rename
[21:10] <muesli> well that's the context menu
[21:10] <muesli> different thig
[21:10] <muesli> thing
[21:10] <muesli> i'm just talking about changing the selection
[21:11] <corinth> Where are the sounds for kopete-kde4 stored? I want to use them in kopete.
[21:11] <muesli> no springing menus
[21:11] <g2g591> muesli:you could drag a selection box only around the one to be selected
[21:11] <muesli> g2g591: which also becomes a problem if you got a dolphin window which is full of items in the detail view
[21:11] <kristjan_> muesli: +1 @g2g591 response
[21:11] <muesli> (not icon view)
[21:12] <g2g591> muesli: change the view?
[21:12] <kristjan_> g2g591: lol
[21:12] <corinth> Where is kde 4 stored?
[21:12] <muesli> err, come on. i use detail view because there are >10000 files in one dir and i just want to select an item
[21:12] <BluesKaj> login menu
[21:12] <kristjan_> muesli: why doesn't right-click satisfy you?
[21:12] <muesli> i can't believe no-one's thought about that
[21:12] <muesli> kristjan_: well because it opens a menu (which takes a second for some reason)
[21:13] <g2g591> corinth: hmm there's a dpkg -- comand for that, got to look that up
[21:13] <kristjan_> muesli: but ... you see ... ah nevermind
[21:13] <corinth> g2g591:  dpkg command for what?
[21:13] <muesli> kristjan_: actually i don't see :)
[21:13] <leviatan> hi everybody!!!
[21:13] <muesli> i'm a bit shocked right now
[21:13] <kristjan_> muesli: actually you can do it in konqueror
[21:14] <g2g591> corinth: to see what files are owned by a package
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: don't click on the name
[21:14] <muesli> but right next to it
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: but click on the entry
[21:14] <muesli> yeah i noticed that seems to be the only solution
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: yes
[21:14] <muesli> yet i thought someone would have come up with a proper fix
[21:14] <g2g591> corinth: its dpkg-query -L packagename
[21:14] <leviatan> could someone hep me pls? i want to install kde4 final in feisty but I don't know how to do it
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: does it also "take to long"?
[21:14] <muesli> kristjan_: what do you mean?
[21:14] <kristjan_> muesli: how is it not good solution, if one click is for activate
[21:15] <corinth> g2g591: Thanks!
[21:15] <stdin> leviatan: only available in gutsy or hardy
[21:15] <muesli> kristjan_: well, something like win+click should be selecting then at least
[21:15] <Level15> muesli: dunno if someone already suggested, but you can set autoselect icon
[21:15] <muesli> Level15: interesting, where?
[21:15] <kristjan_> muesli: someone told you already ctr-mouseclick
[21:15] <Level15> kcontrol
[21:15] <Level15> peripherals
[21:15] <Level15> mouse
[21:16] <Level15> automagically select icons
[21:16] <kristjan_> muesli: how is ctrl+click different to win+click?
[21:16] <muesli> kristjan_: it's possibly dangerous to recommend that really
[21:16] <leviatan> stidin but beta 1 is aviable for feisty but i can't find nothing about final
[21:16] <kristjan_> muesli: in what way?
[21:16] <muesli> thing about it: your current selection is /home/user/Photos (e.g.)
[21:16] <muesli> now you want to select a different item and you suggest ctrl+click
[21:17] <muesli> what happens is that now Photos and the newly clicked-on folder are both selected
[21:17] <kristjan_> muesli: you can't rename them
[21:17] <muesli> not pressing delete, assuming that you'd delete the newly selected photo would kill both folders
[21:17] <muesli> s/not/now
[21:17] <stdin> leviatan: beta 1 was from a while ago, there's been a beta 2, RC1 and RC2 since then
[21:17] <kristjan_> muesli: you can still select one thing if you don't click on the name
[21:18] <kristjan_> muesli: because ... one click is for "activate"
[21:18] <muesli> kristjan_: yeah, it's a really cumbersome solution and i'm looking for something usable
[21:18] <Level15> muesli: hey, did you check what I told you?
[21:18] <stdin> leviatan: but regardless of what was available in feisty, KDE4 is only available in gutsy or hardy
[21:18] <muesli> Level15: yeah, that's a step in the right direction
[21:18] <kristjan_> muesli: ffs you are using "one click = activate"
[21:18] <edgy> Hi, any one here installed kde4 and complained that the system is now messed?
[21:19] <g2g591> muesli: normal click on blank space, then ctrl click on the one you want to select
[21:19] <Level15> edgy: yeah, my kde3 now opens some stuff in kde4 apps and vicevesa
[21:19] <Level15> *viceversa
[21:19] <kristjan_> muesli: there is no other way, because one click is assigned to "activate"
[21:19] <leviatan> stidin:  :( thanks anyway :( I don't want to upgrade to gusty :( I'll wait for hardy
[21:19] <kristjan_> muesli: you have to pretty much change to "double-click" interface
[21:19] <muesli> Level15: kde4 sadly doesn't seem to stick to it, tho
[21:20] <muesli> at least dolphin doesn't respect the setting
[21:20] <edgy> Level15: my problem is I cannot even log to kde3 nor 4. I guess I installed the kdm-kde4 which messed something. I only managed to log using xfce now
[21:20] <muesli> kristjan_: well, i'm wondering. i think there's room to improve the situation
[21:20] <g2g591> edgy: use dpkg-reconfigure kdm and set it back to kdm instead of kdm-kde4,
[21:20] <muesli> the current single click situation is really confusing for new users
[21:20] <august_> anyone know where you can get a WORKING flash player update for firefox?
[21:20] <stdin> leviatan: you'll have to upgrade to gutsy in order to upgrade to hardy anyway
[21:20] <Level15> edgy: my suggestion is that you get rid of kde4 and reinstall kde3
[21:20] <g2g591> edgy: kdm-kde4 doesn't work at all
[21:21] <muesli> i wonder if it's really a good default setting
[21:21] <kristjan_> muesli: detailed list view is not default
[21:21] <kristjan_> muesli: are you using kde4?
[21:21] <muesli> kristjan_: both
[21:21] <muesli> kristjan_: doesn't matter if something's default or not
[21:21] <edgy> g2g591: I did but it I have a strange display mangager that lists all the system users and as soon as I log to kde or gnome I have a small xterm window and that's all
[21:21] <muesli> it should be usable whatsoever
[21:22] <leviatan> stin thanks
[21:22] <Bauldrick> gphoto2 --list-files
[21:22] <kristjan_> muesli: the point is - one click is already assigned to do something
[21:22] <Bauldrick> oops - sorry
[21:22] <g2g591> edgy: its still using kdm-kde4 for some reason. sudo apt-get purge kdm-kde4
[21:22] <kristjan_> muesli: you can't do both with the same key
[21:22] <muesli> kristjan_: never did i say that one-click's action should be changed
[21:23] <muesli> kristjan_: that's why i was saying win+click or something
[21:23] <muesli> or some completely different solution
[21:23] <muesli> all i was wondering about is if there is already some solution
[21:23] <edgy> g2g591: I would try and report back after I log out
[21:23] <g2g591> edgy: k
[21:23] <muesli> cause if you read the intrawebs, it seems to be a common ubuntu annoyance
[21:24] <kristjan_> muesli: you click on the entry of the file in detailed list view
[21:24] <edgy> g2g591: so kde4 is not ready yet or is the problem in kubuntu packaging?
[21:24] <muesli> kristjan_: i'm not complaining to you about it, i'm not asking you to fix it
[21:24] <muesli> i'm actually looking for a way to fix it myself
[21:24] <g2g591> edgy: I'm guessing packaging, but im not sure. I'm in progress of building kde 4 trunk on my Gentoo install
[21:24] <draik> I am trying to copy an image on my desktop with Print Screen, but it doesn't seem to be working. Is there a workaround?
[21:24] <rocky> hi
[21:24] <muesli> kristjan_: i still see that as a work-around really, since even that space next to the item might not exist (think scrollbars)
[21:25] <muesli> kristjan_: and i think it's the wrong way to go and say "use a work-around" for doing one of the most basic things on a computer, selecting an item in a listview
[21:26] <edgy> g2g591: I have another issue and may be you can help. my windows partition is somehow now don't boot because it thinks it's drive V: instead of C: after I removed some partitions and reinstalled grub. Do you know how grub can convince windows it's drive c:?
[21:26] <kristjan_> muesli: is it workaround?
[21:26] <g2g591> muesli: what do you want to select an item for anyway? perhaps there is a better way
[21:26] <kristjan_> g2g591: he wants to select only one thing
[21:27] <g2g591> edgy: whats your windows partation number?
[21:27] <kristjan_> muesli: you should ask this question in kde, maybe there are other keyboard shortcuts, like ctrl+mouseclick
[21:27] <kristjan_> muesli: in #kde
[21:27] <edgy> g2g591: it's /dev/sda1
[21:28] <Level15> muesli: maybe you can just switch to win-like behaviour; one click selects, to open
[21:28] <muesli> kristjan_: don't worry, i'm a kde-dev myself. usually the users know such stuff better than the devs tho *cough*
[21:28] <g2g591> edgy: ok, then make sure your /boot/grub/menu.list agrees with that, if it doesn't, change it
[21:29] <edgy> g2g591: I would log out now and try the display manager then I would paste the menu.lst file since i belive it's correct....
[21:29] <g2g591> edgy: just use cat /boot/grub/menu.list
[21:30] <muesli> kristjan_: maybe i'm just a double click kind of guy ;-)
[21:30] <muesli> but it's surprising me that you don't even see the issue
[21:31] <kristjan_> muesli: to clear some potential confusion - I'm not kde dev
[21:31] <muesli> i know
[21:31] <muesli> ;-)
[21:31] <kristjan_> muesli: and no, I don't see an issue here, unless the file name is really long
[21:31] <muesli> at least i don't recognize you ;-)
[21:32] <muesli> kristjan_: part of my issue yeah
[21:32] <muesli> the screen isn't wide enough to show the entire file name
[21:32] <muesli> i admit it's kind of an extra ordinary situation
[21:32] <kristjan_> muesli: why do you discuss it in #kubuntu anyway?
[21:32] <muesli> it's the default setting for kubuntu and i thought someone must know it / must have been annoyed by it before
[21:32] <muesli> no kde dev seems to use single click anyways
[21:33] <muesli> so devs are useless to ask ;-)
[21:33] <kristjan_> muesli: your casual user uses icon view by default to begin with
[21:34] <g2g591> muesli: and if you have 1000s of items in a folder , you need to organize them into more folders
[21:34] <kristjan_> g2g591: what for?
[21:34] <muesli> might be true, i admit that... yet i'm really trying to somehow solve the issue, not to just rant on on a saturday night :)
[21:34] <Level15> night?
[21:34] <kristjan_> muesli: isn't double-click interface the solution?
[21:34] <g2g591> kristjan_: hard to find what you might be looking for
[21:34] <Level15> n/m
[21:35] <muesli> g2g591: well, different kind of discussion really. let's assume it's supposed to be that way and it's the right way to go
[21:35] <muesli> kristjan_: it's probably what i prefer. still i think something like win+mouse1 would be feasible
[21:35] <muesli> not saying i particularly like the solution, but at least it would give you the option to do it if you know about it
[21:36] <kristjan_> muesli: I would use ctrl+left mouse click myself
[21:36] <muesli> kristjan_: as mentioned, you'd end up with two selected items, then you'd have to go find the first one and de-select that one again
[21:36] <billybobo231> I added a second Task Manager to my KDE 4.0.2 and now my panel is crammed on the left side of the screen, and the right side is black with no right-click options... how can i fix that?
[21:36] <Level15> muesli: i think middle click does what you want
[21:36] <muesli> Level15: now you might become my personal hero
[21:36] <kristjan_> muesli: or I can unselect
[21:36] <kristjan_> muesli: ctrl+u
[21:37] <PriceChild> I deleted the menubar in kopete. How can I get it back?
[21:37] <muesli> ctrl+m i'd say
[21:37] <Level15> at least on my dolphin in kde 3.5
[21:37] <Level15> will try konq
[21:37] <muesli> Level15: yeah seems to work across the board
[21:37] <PriceChild> muesli: you are a beast thankyou :)
[21:37] <Level15> doesn't work on konqueror
[21:37] <muesli> PriceChild: it's the same shortcut pretty much everywhere
[21:37] <Level15> at least not here
[21:37] <PriceChild> muesli: i'm new to kde ;)
[21:38] <muesli> PriceChild: well, that'll hopefully change in the near future ;-)
[21:38] <muesli> PriceChild: welcome to kde anyways :)
[21:38] <Level15> I find it kind of annoying that dolphin implements different behaviour than the rest of KDE
[21:39] <Level15> though it might be different on kde4, not sure
[21:39] <kristjan_> Level15: are you speaking of kde4 dolphin, or that other dolphin, which everybody dislikes in 7.10?
[21:39] <NickPresta> Level15, AFAIK, D3lphin (Dolphin in KDE 3.5) is different than Dolphin in KDE 4. Dolphin is much better, apparently
[21:40] <lunar-raven> the dolphin in kde4 is alot better
[21:40] <ethan> can you install from the kubuntu kde4 cd?
[21:40] <edgy> g2g591: thanks a lot removing with --purge kdm-kde4 allow me to log using kde
[21:40] <Level15> kristjan_: the one everybody dislikes :P
[21:40] <NickPresta> ethan, I don't think so. The KDE 4 LiveCD is stripped down, I believe. It is meant to try out KDE 4 and such.
[21:40] <Level15> kristjan_: i think kde 3.5 on the default appllications config should allow you to use konqueror over d3lphin as file manager
[21:40] <ardchoille> ethan: The kde4 livecd does have an install facility
[21:41] <Level15> NickPresta: dunno, will try
[21:41] <NickPresta> ardchoille, oh, neat.
[21:41] <kristjan_> Level15: kubuntu has made some strange decisions in the past also
[21:41] <sinthetek> anyone know how to disable 3d rendering?
[21:41] <sinthetek> from prompt*
[21:41] <g2g591> edgy: your welcome, man qt 4 takes forever to build ( just added debug use flag in my gentoo install)
[21:41] <ethan> ardchoille: thanks, i completely scewed up my system installing from packages, and i really want kde 4
[21:42] <ardchoille> NickPresta: The icon is there and will launch the install, but I didn't follow through the install so can't say how well it works
[21:42] <SSJ_GZ> sinthetek: You mean kwin's compositing?
[21:42] <NickPresta> ardchoille, ah okay. I'm actually burning the CD right now so I can play around with it.
[21:42] <g2g591> ethan: I've found that compiling my self from trunk works a lot better than packages, when it works
[21:42] <ethan> ardchoille: do you know if it is the same installer as the official 3.5.8 cd?
[21:42] <edgy> g2g591: even if I have to go to sleep, I would leave the window open so please paste your experience
[21:42] <ardchoille> ethan: AFAIK, the corrent kde4 is mainly for developers at this point
[21:43] <kristjan_> muesli: looks like you can configure the delay of autoselect also: http://i6.tinypic.com/850dczk.png
[21:43] <g2g591> edgy: I simply followed the guide at techbase.kde.org it tells exactly how to do it. But it is incredibly easy on gentoo
[21:44] <ethan> thanks all
[21:44] <g2g591> edgy: as far as sleep goes, its only a quarter til 4 pm here :p
[21:45] <mkitzma1> Hello everyone, I see as I enter the room the the flash player plugin is broken...
[21:45] <mkitzma1> is there some sort of solution to this?
[21:45] <g2g591> mkitzma1: there is a work around, download it yourself from adobe .
[21:46] <mkitzma1> I have tried this, but apparently doesn't work for 64bit
[21:46] <mkitzma1> I could have swore it did but I couldn't get it to work.
[21:46] <g2g591> mkitzma1: and thats why I use 32 bit even with my 64 bit processer, that and java .....
[21:47] <jussi01> !flas | mkitzma1
[21:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flas - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:47] <jussi01> !flash | mkitzma1
[21:47] <ubotu> mkitzma1: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[21:47] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[21:47] <mkitzma1> hmmm.
[21:48] <jussi01> mkitzma1: have you had a look at that  thread?
[21:48] <mkitzma1> nope
[21:48] <_VeryBadGuy_> Hi there
[21:48] <_nmap> hi
[21:48] <_VeryBadGuy_> does anyone know if the kde4 packages in the official repositoires are the latest ones
[21:48] <_VeryBadGuy_> ?
[21:50] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: if you mean up-do-date, then no
[21:50] <_VeryBadGuy_> is there any way to get up to date packages to try it?
[21:50] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: this is like snapshots, as far as I understand'
[21:50] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: you mean, bleeding edge?
[21:51] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: you have to compile it yourself
[21:51] <_VeryBadGuy_> no, just to try yesterday release
[21:51] <_VeryBadGuy_> gosh
[21:51] <_VeryBadGuy_> is there any guide?
[21:51] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: but kde4 packages are pretty new
[21:51] <jussi01> !kde4
[21:51] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu
[21:52] <peter_> whois jussi01
[21:52] <kristjan_> persen__: jussi is jussi?
[21:52] <persen__> sounds about right
[21:53] <jussi01> me!
[21:53] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: at the moment they are recent, but they won't be updated step by step
[21:53] <_VeryBadGuy_> I wanted to try the new experience in desktops
[21:53] <_VeryBadGuy_> now that I have some time to test
[21:53] <kristjan_> _VeryBadGuy_: then give it a test
[21:54] <edgy> g2g591: Windows boots when I put my password to login I have blank screen and I can only lauch task manager where I noticed that the drive for the system is renamed v:
[21:54] <jussi01> edgy: ?
[21:55] <g2g591> edgy: I have no idea how to fix that, I guess Windows is too stupid to figure out that it is the same partation that the system is on
[21:55] <edgy> jussi01: yes?
[21:55] <edgy> g2g591: yes you are right but I guess there is a way to fix it from grub I would keep searching