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 lxqt 0.16 is coming?
[16:06] <kc2bez[m]> Raman Sarda: was working on getting it started, build tools has migrated.
[16:09] <kc2bez[m]> We probably need to move a little faster to answer your question @RikMills
 fair enough. I just noticed the new lxqt-archiver source in proposed build depends on libfm-qt-dev 0.16
 that is all
[16:14] <kc2bez[m]> Oooh, Debian must have got that through new. Last I knew they were still working on it but I haven't checked on the progress recently.
 They must have. It is sitting there being sad with a FTBFS
 which suggests debian did not version their build depends well
[16:18] <kc2bez[m]> Yup, I see that now. Thanks for the info.
[16:28] <theloudspeaker> I was pinged?
[16:29] <kc2bez[m]> I was just mentioning that you had started on merging things from Debian.
[16:30] <theloudspeaker> Yup. The 2nd package needs a bit more effort. I think the build failed even after merging. Will have a look soon.
[16:31] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks for working on it Raman Sarda
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[17:21] <RikMills> ^^ one less to worry about
[17:22] <RikMills> as kubuntu seeds that
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[17:38] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks @RikMills
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[20:18] <theloudspeaker> oh wait.
[20:18] <theloudspeaker> liblxqt did build fine
[20:18] <theloudspeaker> then where was the error I saw last time?
[20:20] <theloudspeaker> probably something on my container. I will push it to phab. someone please cross check once.
[20:20] <kc2bez[m]> Sounds like a plan.
[20:25] <theloudspeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D105
[20:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Merge form upstream.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D105
[20:25] <theloudspeaker> cc: kc2bez wxl
[20:25]  * theloudspeaker goes to fairyland
[21:15] <theloudspeaker> Ah wrong branch! 🤦🏻♂
[21:15] <kc2bez[m]> Nice catch I missed that.
[21:17] <theloudspeaker> Hence 2 reviewers. :)
[21:22] <theloudspeaker> I will fix this tomorrow morning. Time for bed now.
[21:23] <kc2bez[m]> Ok, I am going to flip it to needs changes and note the branch issue.
[21:24] <kc2bez[m]> oh nvm, wxl beat me to it
[21:24] <theloudspeaker> Good night! :)
[21:24] <wxl> i suspect all of the repos have not had hirsute set to the default branch
[21:25] <wxl> kc2bez[m]: maybe you and i should go through the whole new release list and make sure we didn't miss anything
[21:25] <theloudspeaker> <wxl "i suspect all of the repos have "> tsimonq2 🌝
[21:25] <wxl> i mean i didn't even DO anything
[21:26] <kc2bez[m]> There is a script but I don't know what that will do now that we have set up some of the repos with hirsute.
[21:26] <wxl> let's just do it manually
[21:26] <wxl> we can split the work
[21:26] <kc2bez[m]> I don't know where that needs to run either.
[21:26] <kc2bez[m]> ok
[21:27] <wxl> one of us can start on one end of the list and the other on the other end
[21:27] <wxl> so let's do the default branches first
[21:30] <wxl> ok i'm starting at the bottom of the repos
[21:32] <wxl> if it has only master i guess i'm not going to worry
[21:32] <wxl> lxqt-l10n is dead, right?
[21:33] <kc2bez[m]> yes, and yes
[21:35] <wxl> i haven't said so but i'll let you know where i'm at
[21:35] <wxl> qtplugin done
[21:35] <kc2bez[m]> ok
[21:35] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl ""natural scrolling" is a classic"> About the "natural scrolling" thing; after years on smart phones it feels more 'natural' to have the scrolling reversed, at least with 2 finger scrolling.  Even edge scrolling feels 'natural'/normal to me.
[21:35] <wxl> about
[21:36] <wxl> config
[21:36] <kc2bez[m]> Qterminal is next for me
[21:36] <wxl> image
[21:36] <wxl> globalkeys
[21:37] <wxl> notification
[21:37] <kc2bez[m]> sddm
[21:37] <wxl> openssh-askpass
[21:37] <wxl> policykit
[21:38] <wxl> sudo
[21:38] <wxl> pcmanfm
[21:38] <kc2bez[m]> liblxqtxdg
[21:38] <wxl> panel
[21:39] <wxl> runner
[21:39] <wxl> obconf
 wxl: you okay there?
 :P
[21:39] <wxl> we're coordinating
[21:39] <wxl> screengrab
 ah
[21:40] <kc2bez[m]> hmm notifier doesn't have hirsute
[21:40] <wxl> qps
[21:40] <kc2bez[m]> qtermwidget
[21:41] <kc2bez[m]> archiver
[21:42] <wxl> power
[21:42] <kc2bez[m]> liblxqt
[21:42] <wxl> nm-tray
[21:42] <wxl> meta
[21:42] <kc2bez[m]> themes
[21:43] <wxl> libfm
[21:43] <wxl> themes
[21:44] <wxl> themes is done
[21:44] <wxl> oddd
[21:44] <kc2bez[m]> yeah I said that ;)
[21:44] <wxl> i'm wondering if we don't need to do something special with seed so i'm skipping that
[21:44] <wxl> you did?
[21:45] <kc2bez[m]> maybe there was a delay but yeah
[21:45] <wxl> oh nevermind on seed that's good
[21:45] <kc2bez[m]> oh I did seed
[21:45] <kc2bez[m]> we met
[21:45] <wxl> that explains it XD
[21:45] <wxl> ok cool
[21:45] <wxl> that's done
[21:45] <wxl> what other stuff do we need to worry about?
[21:46] <kc2bez[m]> Oh jeez, I dunno
[21:46] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/new-release/
[21:46] <wxl> so i think we should pay attention to the last section from 4 down
[21:47] <kc2bez[m]> GH is on the list but I don't have access to that.
[21:47] <wxl> eh meta actually doesn't have a branch
[21:47] <wxl> so that needs an upload
[21:47] <wxl> i'll work on github
[21:47] <wxl> i think i have access
[21:47] <kc2bez[m]> I hope so :D
[21:48] <wxl> i do
[21:48] <wxl> shall i add you?
[21:48] <kc2bez[m]> yes please
[21:50] <wxl> done
[21:50] <wxl> i've confirmed lp seeds is defaulting to hirsute
[21:52] <wxl> looks like i have to do this all over again with github sigh
[21:58] <wxl> cala settings looks like it needs a proper branch
[21:59] <kc2bez[m]> yeah, it does. I can poke at it on the next upload.
[21:59] <wxl> put it on your todo :/
[21:59] <kc2bez[m]> will do
[22:12] <wxl> trojita needs a branch
[22:13] <kc2bez[m]> trojita needs some help
[22:13] <wxl> so meta and trojita and cala settings
[22:13] <wxl> what else does it need?
[22:13] <kc2bez[m]> an update
[22:14] <kc2bez[m]> But they claim no new releases are coming
[22:14] <wxl> oh really???
[22:14] <kc2bez[m]> we need to do a git snapshot I guess
[22:15] <kc2bez[m]> Yeah, their advice was to just grab master
[22:15] <wxl> we've got git master in ci, no?
[22:15] <kc2bez[m]> I don't think we have trojita in ci, i can add it back though
[22:15] <wxl> it just needs some extensive testing then. meanwhile, i think we should maybe do a no-change upload
[22:15] <kc2bez[m]> we dropped it because it kept failing
[22:15] <wxl> crap
[22:16] <kc2bez[m]> I think it might have been only on one arch
[22:16] <kc2bez[m]> I can't remember
[22:16] <wxl> ok let's add it back and investigate that
[22:16] <wxl> maybe we should make a series of tasks for all this
[22:16] <kc2bez[m]> ok
[22:16] <wxl> or maybe one for trojita and one for all the others
[22:17] <kc2bez[m]> Sounds good, I will make one for Trojita
[22:17] <wxl> it does look like there was only one ocmmit in 2019, two in 2020, and 3 in jan
[22:17] <wxl> the last one jan did was in 2018
[22:17] <wxl> which is super bizarre
[22:17] <wxl> oh sorry those are pending
[22:18] <wxl> so we haven't had anything this year
[22:18] <wxl> 11 commits in 2020
[22:18] <wxl> 6 from jan
[22:18] <wxl> so that's not too shorcking
[22:18] <wxl> shocking sorry
[22:19] <kc2bez[m]> I don't know what they are but it might help someone.
[22:19] <wxl> this is interesting https://gerrit.vesnicky.cesnet.cz/r/#/q/status:merged+project:trojita+branch:master+topic:calendar
[22:20] <wxl> ew gerrit sucks
[22:21] <kc2bez[m]> yeah, gross
[22:21] <wxl> this is probably more telling https://invent.kde.org/pim/trojita/-/commits/master/
[22:22] <RikMills> 'it's dead, Jim'
[22:22] <kc2bez[m]> XD
[22:22] <wxl> it's not very live but to be fair it never really was (it was basically jan's baby)
[22:23] <wxl> i assume ci is up to date for hirsute given we have hirsute building there
[22:24] <kc2bez[m]> yes, ci is good to go. Simon did that.
[22:24] <wxl> what is this thing in the new release tooling about lintian and devscripts?
[22:25] <kc2bez[m]> I guess something Simon normally does, I don't know that it relates to Lubuntu specifically.
[22:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T193: Add Trojita back to ci ] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T193
[22:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T193: Add Trojita back to ci ] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T193#4177
[22:29] <wxl> i'm actually going to change priority on this since we need to ship it with hrisute
[22:29] <kc2bez[m]> ok, I took a stab
[22:29] <wxl>  all good
[22:32] <wxl> here i think is the lintian thing https://salsa.debian.org/lintian/lintian/-/blob/master/vendors/ubuntu/main/data/changes-file/known-dists
[22:32] <wxl> i don't know why that needs to be added to our tooling as it should be part of what ubuntu does as a whole
[22:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T194: Fixup branches on cala-settings] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T194
[22:33] <kc2bez[m]> 🤷♂ Simon did it so...
[22:33] <kc2bez[m]> There is a task for cala settings too.
[22:34] <wxl> just need meta now right?
[22:35] <kc2bez[m]> oh, jeez phab doesn't seem to like  the no branch thing.
[22:36] <wxl> yeah it needs an upload and i'm sure it will be fine
[22:38] <wxl> omg this devscripts thing is hilarious. referencing a line without referencing context is Not Good™. that Makefile has massively changed over time
[22:38] <wxl> i think i'm going to have to blame that particular line in our tooling readme and try to sync times
[22:38] <wxl> jee
[22:38] <wxl> z
[22:40] <wxl> ugh and that doesn't seem right either because it's for creating the ltnu command
[22:42] <wxl> oh wait that's the wrong commit
[22:42] <wxl> and then if i look at that, he authored it nov 2018 but pushed it mar 2019
[22:43] <kc2bez[m]> That's almost 2 years ago
[22:45] <wxl> i think this is what he was referring to https://salsa.debian.org/debian/devscripts/-/blob/0204b15c6adfc6c1f93aeb41117d56582782d672/scripts/Makefile#L47
[22:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T195: Add hirsute branch for Meta repository] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T195
[22:47] <kc2bez[m]> Ok, well I don't see anything to change there.
[22:48] <wxl> heh it's on 71 now https://salsa.debian.org/debian/devscripts/-/blob/master/scripts/Makefile#L71
[22:48] <wxl> i'll change the tooling README to clarify all this
[22:49] <kc2bez[m]> Thank you.
 stupid question
 did one of you make the phab/arc tutorial yet
 'cause... ERR:REQUIRED for me
 for reasons
[22:49] <kc2bez[m]> nope
[22:49] <wxl> sigh i really need to get my stupid container going again
[22:49] <kc2bez[m]> not yet
[22:50] <wxl> no but my guess is YOU don't need it thomas
 still better to know so when people say phab is being fubar with perms I can dig ;)
[22:50] <wxl> you can see packaging in the context of phab here https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packagingtutorial/
[22:51] <wxl> all of those `arc` lines are arcanist, i.e. phab interface to (in our case) git
[22:51] <wxl> `arc diff` creates a "differential revision" or a "pull request" in github parlance or "merge request" in launchpad's
[22:53] <kc2bez[m]> My thoughts were a little more "new to contributing code" with rHELLOWORLD so folks could give it a try. I haven't followed with anything written yet.
[22:53] <wxl> `arc land` is something a dev would do (i.e. you should be able to) which actually merges that pull request (which is what i've opted to refer to it in the sidebar)
[22:53] <wxl> everything else there is either git stuff or debian packaging stuff i'm sure you already understand
[23:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNEWRELd800433e624a: add TODO to automate default branch change in GitHub] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNEWRELd800433e624a
[23:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rNEWREL8587238c6cb8: clarify details on lintian/devscripts changes] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rNEWREL8587238c6cb8
[23:11] <wxl> ok meta is done
[23:11] <wxl> err new release tooling XD
[23:17] <kc2bez[m]> ok, cool


[17:27] <blackboxsw> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/988/files for Oracle connectivity_url is +1'd awaiting CI, land at will.
[17:28] <blackboxsw> revewing https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1023 now
[20:52] <blackboxsw> and that PR is approved. Should have azure-related fixes in main once that lands


[16:25] <Gwaihir> hello, quick question, maybe not really on topic: is there a channel playground where I can play a little bit with the meeting bot?
[16:28] <Mkaysi> Gwaihir: #meetingology
[16:28] <Gwaihir> Mkaysi, cool, thanks
[16:28] <Mkaysi> You're welcome :)
[16:28] <k1l_> sounds like a relidious channel :)
[16:28] <Mkaysi> And for ubottu playing there is #ubuntu-bots
[16:28] <k1l_> *religious
[16:35] <AlanBell> -ology as a suffix means the study of a scientific subject really
[16:35] <AlanBell> except for theology of course, which is kind of not
[16:35] <AlanBell> and astrology
[16:36] <k1l_> :)


[01:10] <Twiggy2cents> I am getting a lot of errors and my recorders are not working randomally.  This is the error lgdt330x: i2c_write_demod_bytes
[01:10] <Twiggy2cents> in dmesg btw
[01:10] <Twiggy2cents> Any advice?
[01:12] <Twiggy2cents> ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[01:26] <amejia> superm1: pong
[01:26] <amejia_> superm1: i'm here actually
[01:26] <amejia_> superm1: you pinged me?
[03:16] <Batshua> If I wanna use LVM, will the mythbuntu 11.10 installer permit me to do that?
[03:16] <Batshua> Or will I need to add it on afterwards?
[03:33] <tgm4883> Batshua, IIRC you need the alternate installer for that, which Mythbuntu doesn't provide
[03:33] <Batshua> So I'd have to install it later.
[03:33] <Batshua> Mmkay.
[03:34] <Batshua> I know if I do it the other way (install ubuntu and add on mythtv), I won't like the results
[03:34] <Batshua> I'm rather a fan of xfce and the way mythbuntu looks and feels. it's not nearly as eye-bleeding.
[03:35] <tgm4883> well you could install a cmd line install, then install mythbuntu-desktop
[03:35] <Batshua> Is that all there is to it?
[03:35] <Batshua> Huh. Thanks.  Good to know just in case.


[08:08] <Unit193> Conference?
[08:14] <micahg> Unit193: Canonical rally
[08:14] <Unit193> Yea, didn't know one was going on now, but figured it out with "@conference/canonical-sprint/x-aftyeckbpmgjwupv"
[10:05] <micahg> xubuntu alternates no longer oversized, live images are still though
[11:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: I haven't merged murrine-themes since I wasn't sure if our snapshot was ahead of Debian or not
[14:25] <nanotube> oversized images? just rip out the gimp! </ubuntu> :)
[14:44] <astraljava> Nooo! Without gimp, you can't scale down the images. *blink* *blink*
[14:45] <nanotube> haha
[14:45] <nanotube> i wonder how much space 'convert' takes up.
[14:46] <astraljava> It's in the imagemagick package. Probably could separate it, taking very little.
[14:48] <nanotube> heh, the whole imagemagick takes < 300kb. gimp takes 14mb .... i figure there's no need for a split-up :)
[14:49] <astraljava> Sure, but you specifically asked for convert. :)
[14:49] <astraljava> *only
[14:59] <nanotube> indeed :)
[15:12] <charlie-tca> The live session starts with compositing enabled now? Doesn't that severely limit those who are looking for a light-weight OS and can't use compositing?
[15:14] <baizon> not really i think :)
[15:14] <charlie-tca> NO? What about video cards that are unable to use that and therefore, fail to start the live session?
[15:15] <charlie-tca> That probably explains a lot of the video failures we get reported, where all they get is a black screen.
[15:18] <baizon> ok, i didnt know that. sorry :(
[15:20] <charlie-tca> It also increases the required memory
[15:46] <astraljava> Crap. Alarm's custom command won't be stopped if you stop the alarm that just went off.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I noticed that too. It is a change from a couple of releases back, too.
[15:47] <charlie-tca> It used to turn off both the on-screen indicator and the alarm
[15:48] <astraljava> That's what I thought.
[15:52] <charlie-tca> I just added the alarm sounds back here, or I might have noticed it a lot sooner
[15:55] <charlie-tca> appologies to Unit193 and GridCube. They have been documenting testing results, but it seems quite difficult to find the results from daily testing after the next image is out.
[16:01] <astraljava> I just realized a moment ago.
[16:12] <nanotube> astraljava: where do you find alarms in xubuntu? you mean orage?
[16:14] <astraljava> nanotube: It's the alarm applet. I'm not sure where it belongs to, but adding it makes it appear in the applet list of indicator plugin.
[16:15] <nanotube> astraljava: is that one of the things you can add to panel? i don't see anything called 'alarm' in there...
[16:15] <nanotube> maybe it's an extra package
[16:15] <nanotube> ?
[16:16] <astraljava> Yeah. One sec.
[16:16] <astraljava> $ dpkg -l | grep alarm
[16:16] <astraljava> ii  alarm-clock                            1.2.5-1.2                               Alarm Clock for GTK Environments
[16:16] <nanotube> xfce4-timer-plugin ?
[16:16] <astraljava> ii  alarm-clock-applet                     0.3.2-1ubuntu1                          Alarm Clock applet
[16:16] <nanotube> ah
[16:17] <nanotube> thanks :)
[16:18] <astraljava> NP. I'm not sure whether charlie-tca meant this one, but it used to work prior to oneiric. Not sure how far before oneiric, but in one of the earlier releases.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> The one I use is called xfce4-timer . It is a panel applet that you install
[16:20] <charlie-tca> nanotube: that's the one I use. It used to have the external alarms turn off when you clicked the "time up" box. Now it keeps ringing until it is done
[16:21] <nanotube> hm ic
[16:21] <nanotube> speaking of alarms... anyone can tell me why i'm not getting orage reminder notifications? events just pass on by
[16:22] <charlie-tca> probably a preference you need to put a check in. open the calendar by clicking the panel app, click edit, preferences
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Might need to set an alarm or something in the event, too. Been a while since I used orage for events
[16:23] <nanotube> already checked, nothing there about "don't show alarms even though you want to" :)
[16:24] <astraljava> nanotube: You're talking precise, right?
[16:24] <nanotube> ah hmm, it seems my events have not been checked with "persistent alarm", so maybe they just pass me by when the computer was suspended?
[16:25] <nanotube> astraljava: precise what?
[16:25] <astraljava> Hmm... could be.
[16:25] <astraljava> nanotube: pangolin. :)
[16:26] <nanotube> astraljava: no, i'm on oneiric :)
[16:26] <nanotube> haha
[16:27] <astraljava> Ok.
[16:29] <nanotube> well, let's see if that does it. :)
[16:31] <astraljava> At least it works without suspending.
[16:37] <nanotube> heh yes. and i couldn't be arsed to suspend atm. so i'll just see how my regular notifications go now that i set them to persistent. :)
[16:42] <astraljava> Ok. I'll be going to the office tomorrow so I'll suspend then.
[17:04] <micahg> do we want xdiagnose seeded to help debug X issues?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> not really. It is really easy to install, isn't it?
[17:05] <micahg> sure
[17:05] <micahg> sudo apt-get install xdiagnose
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Does it need to be there all the time? We already have turned on composite mode, which is going to create more fails
[17:06] <micahg> idk, needing to install it means needing to reproduce failures a second time
[17:06] <charlie-tca> That is true
[17:07] <charlie-tca> and when they can't get anything but a black screen because they can't use compositing, it is going to fail anyway
[17:07] <charlie-tca> If the issue can not be reproduced, it is not going to get worked anyway, most of the time
[17:13] <nanotube> so, why not turn compositing off by default?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> That would be my choice, but it is not my decision. I did not decide to turn it on, either.
[17:14] <nanotube> not saying it was. just making the suggestion :)
[17:14] <charlie-tca> +1 :)
[17:15] <nanotube> as long as it's easy enough to turn it on (it is, might want to make it more prominent if needed), should be fine either way
[17:16] <nanotube> or... how about making it an available option at the livecd selection screen
[17:33] <micahg> is xubuntu-devel moderated?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> and logged
[17:34] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:34] <astraljava> Moderated? How does that work?
[17:35] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, sorry, I meant the ML
[17:35] <astraljava> Or are we talking about mailing list here?
[17:35] <astraljava> In which case the logging doesn't make sense.
[17:35] <astraljava> Ahh... yes.
[17:35] <charlie-tca> yes, it is. I think cody-somerville is the moderator
[17:35] <charlie-tca> but I might be wrong again
[17:35] <micahg> hmm, ok
[17:37] <madnick> devel cant be moderated afaik
[17:37] <madnick> I remember joining that last year and it happened instantly
[17:37] <charlie-tca> That doesn't mean so much. We can set them to allow that
[17:38] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-devel list run by knightlust at ubuntu.com, cody-somerville at ubuntu.com
[17:38] <micahg> not what I meant either
[17:38] <cody-somerville> whats the question?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> not sure how much is done, though, micahg
[17:38] <micahg> message moderation for non-subscribed users
[17:39] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: is the ubuntu-devel mailing list moderated?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> sorry, wrong one.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: is the xubuntu-devel mailing list moderated?
[17:41] <cody-somerville> No. But some messages do get moderated
[17:41] <cody-somerville> like from non-subscribers
[17:41] <charlie-tca> That's what micahg was looking for
[17:42] <micahg> yep, ok, I'll figure it out later then, thanks
[18:01] <charlie-tca> anybody that can test desktop images today? We have the installer now, and need to make sure it works, both with "Try Xubuntu" and "Install Xubuntu"
[18:05] <astraljava> I can do the 32-bit one.
[18:05] <astraljava> ...on real hw.
[18:05] <astraljava> 64-bit on virt.
[18:05] <astraljava> Will that do?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Oh, but of course. and it will be very much appreciated!
[18:11] <astraljava> Ok I'll report on the tracker in a few hours.
[23:01] <astraljava> What's the hardware profile asked in the iso testing results page?
[23:01] <Unit193> Something I ignore
[23:01] <Unit193> Might be for later use, I just put it in the comments
[23:02] <astraljava> Ok. Put what in the comments? CPU, RAM, what else?
[23:02] <Unit193> Whatever you feel, I normally put RAM and that I used VBox
[23:03] <astraljava> Ok.
[23:03] <Unit193> But that's me
[23:03] <astraljava> Where?
[23:03] <astraljava> Oh, there you are.
[23:04] <Unit193> ----->
[23:14] <astraljava> Hmm... can't do the wubi part of the tests, though.
[23:36] <astraljava> Unit193: Charlie left, so can't tell him I got too tired to do the amd64 desktop tests, unfortunately. Did the entire disk and manual partitioning for i386 on real hw, however.
[23:42] <astraljava> Going to try to sleep now. G'night, all.
[23:49] <Unit193> Good night, I'll run some when I get home
[23:49] <nanotube> so where are those desktop images that need testing? i can test one on liveusb on a 64bit box.
[23:50] <nanotube> and can anyone point to the standard testing procedure?
[23:51] <Unit193> nanotube: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[23:53] <nanotube> thanks Unit193 . is there any details of what i should be looking at once i boot into a livesession?
[23:54] <Unit193> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/9687/downloads and http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession
[23:54] <Unit193> There is a link with every one
[23:55] <nanotube> ah, i missed the little wrench icon which would have taken me to the second link, which is what i was looking for. :) thanks Unit193
[23:56] <Unit193> Yep, as always


[04:14] <nigelb> now we know robbie always copy pastes old mails :p
[04:17] <doctormo> nigelb: do we?
[04:17] <nigelb> doctormo: he send a mail telling karmic is in debian import freeze :p
[04:17] <nigelb> *sent
[04:22] <doctormo> heh
[04:23] <nigelb> He did correct it with maverick later though
[06:54]  * vish wonders if jcastro was hammered last night :D
[06:55] <nigelb> vish: very good probability :p
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24]  * nigelb waves to dholbach
[07:24] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:28] <nigelb> vish: ok, now I totally think jorge was hammered last night, especially before hitting the post button :P
[07:28] <vish> nigelb: yeah , that was what i was mentioning ;)
[07:29] <nigelb> vish: I hadn't checked planet today
[07:29] <nigelb> till now
[07:53] <nigelb> paultag_: poke?
[07:55] <nigelb> dpm: good morning :)
[07:56] <dpm> good morning nigelb :)
[07:56] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:00] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:01] <dpm> hiya dholbach
[08:01] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[08:05]  * jussi has a day off from work :)
[08:06] <nigelb> jussi: lucky guy!
[08:14] <dholbach> dpm: do you know what GSI means on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPackagingChanges?
[08:15] <dpm> dholbach, ah, it means the OpenOffice.org translation format, but it could have been put in a clearer way
[08:15] <dholbach> thanks dpm - I'm happy to change it
[08:17] <dpm> dholbach, in fact, the OOo translations are not in the language packs, but in a separate opeonoffice.org-l10n package. It might even be that that's the same way it's done in Debian, so it's no longer a difference
[08:17] <dholbach> dpm: ah ok
[08:17]  * dholbach has no idea
[08:19] <dpm> ccheney should know whether the OOo packaging in Ubuntu differs from Debian
[08:19] <dholbach> ok
[10:32] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:33] <nigelb> aloha czajkowski :)
[10:35]  * popey hugs jcastro
[10:35] <popey> he seems... grumpy
[10:39] <nigelb> popey: or drunk depending on how you interpret it :p
[10:41] <czajkowski> awwww poor jcastro what a rant
[10:41] <czajkowski> I assume its about the iphone 4
[10:42] <nigelb> wait, he got an iphone 4?
[10:42] <czajkowski> no i susect the crazy friends did
[10:42] <czajkowski> :)
[10:43] <nigelb> Aha, entirely possible :)
[10:44] <nigelb> czajkowski: I envy you! wish I was in dublin in July!
[10:44] <czajkowski> Why
[10:44] <czajkowski> what's going on then?
[10:44]  * nigelb giggles
[10:45] <nigelb> I read you post just now
[10:45] <czajkowski> oh right
[10:45] <czajkowski> sorry
[10:45] <czajkowski> http://url.ie/6lxe
[10:45] <czajkowski> atm I live in Castleconnell so a bit away from Dublin
[10:46] <czajkowski> but year our poll thing is working out well
[10:47] <nigelb> July must be awesome for geeknic like things
[10:47] <nigelb> oh, 2 hours away :/
[10:49] <czajkowski> aye
[10:49] <czajkowski> but I don't mind I'll pop into the car and scoot up
[10:50] <jussi> one thing I love about summer is the ability to get free flowers from the garden :D Sari will be happy when she gets home :)
[10:52] <czajkowski> aww
[11:04] <jussi> czajkowski: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?pid=4548320&id=695927806
[11:35] <czajkowski> nice
[11:35] <nigelb> jussi: its beautiful! I see you've made good use of your day off :)
[11:50] <popey> :( inaccessible
[11:58] <czajkowski> popey: you're not on fb any more are you
[11:59] <popey> nope
[11:59] <popey> as a test, can you right click the image linked above and post the url?
[12:02] <czajkowski> yarp
[12:02] <czajkowski> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs104.snc4/35548_402711627806_695927806_4548320_380204_n.jpg
[12:05] <paultag_> nigelb: ouch
[12:06] <popey> heh czajkowski security fail, i can see that
[12:08] <Pendulum> popey: photos have always been a security fail in that way
[12:09] <popey> yeah, i guess i never noticed till I didnt have an account :)
[12:24] <nigelb> that is huge security fail
[12:28] <jcastro> nigelb: good news!
[12:28] <jcastro> I found a bored friend yesterday
[12:28] <jcastro> I expect he'll be ready to check out the review team in a few hours when he heads to work
[12:28] <nigelb> jcastro: he agreed to do patch review? ;)
[12:28]  * nigelb cheers!
[12:29] <jcastro> it's summer at university and he's bored, so he has nothing to do, so I told him he can keep his skills sharp etc. doing a few patches a day
[12:30] <nigelb> actually, I found if I get into a flow I can do 30 at a time
[12:30] <jcastro> ah, looks like all the unity stuff finally built
[12:33]  * jcastro orders his new laptop
[12:34] <czajkowski> I passed the 3 interviews from AOL :D
[12:34] <czajkowski> back for final 2 on Tuesday :D
[12:35] <Pendulum> czajkowski: yay!
[12:35] <jcastro> \o/
[12:41] <jcastro> excellent way to start a friday, my maverick PC is dead. :(
[12:41] <czajkowski> jcastro: you're up a tad early?
[12:43] <jcastro> I am motivated to finish things I am behind on
[12:43] <czajkowski> jcastro: *hugs*
[12:43] <czajkowski> jcastro: liked you blog post
[12:43] <jcastro> hah, I don't think many people got it
[12:43] <nigelb> jcastro: we suspected you were drunk :/
[12:43] <czajkowski> jcastro: about the iphone ?
[12:44] <jcastro> nigelb: hah
[12:44] <nigelb> jcastro: the post was excellent though :)
[12:44] <jcastro> so I have a friend who is looking for ajob
[12:44] <jcastro> and I went to this meet and greet job thing
[12:45] <jcastro> since no one else in the loco wanted to risk it being lame
[12:45] <jcastro> so I said I would check it out
[12:45] <jcastro> ends up there's tons of people looking for linux qualified people locally
[12:45] <czajkowski> oh nice
[12:45] <jcastro> so I kept texting my friend "dude, I've been talking to this guy for like an hour, he needs a sysadmin, stop by"
[12:45] <jcastro> but you know where he was?
[12:45] <jcastro> standing in line for an iphone
[12:46] <czajkowski> see iphone drool
[12:47] <jcastro> so I got ditched for a phone
[12:47] <jcastro> and he's totally ok with that
[12:47] <jcastro> *odd shake*
[12:47] <czajkowski> jcastro: odd mate
[12:47] <czajkowski> I dont get the iphone excitement, but then again my iphone mates don't get my ubuntu excitement, so each to their own technnology
[12:48] <popey> exactly
[12:50]  * jcastro works on his blog post on a contributor
[12:51] <jussi> Hrm, Ive got Sausages, Mushrooms, Bacon, onion,garlic,creme fraiche, 1/4 cabbage, cream - (non whipping), chilli, potatoes, pasta, rice and prunes n the cupboard. any suggestions on Lunch/dinner?
[12:51] <popey> all of it
[12:51] <popey> in a bucket
[12:51] <jussi> LOL
[12:51] <popey> with an egg on top
[12:51] <jussi> sorry, no egs
[12:51] <jussi> eggs
[12:52] <popey> mr creosote will not be happy
[12:53] <jussi> the mushrooms need to be eaten, so they are an almost must
[12:57] <czajkowski> yuck mushrooms
[12:57] <czajkowski> will eat them if they are chopped very fine in stuff I cant see or taste
[13:00] <akgraner> dholbach, 7 open slots for Dev Week...
[13:00] <nigelb> akgraner: link me to the schedule?
[13:00] <jussi> fried mushrooms rock
[13:01] <dholbach> akgraner: getting there, eh? :)
[13:01] <nigelb> jussi: yes yes, and muschroom fried rice
[13:01] <jussi> nom
[13:01] <jussi> so no suggestions?
[13:01] <jussi> apart from popey's throw it all in a bucket...
[13:02] <nigelb> I wish I knew enough of cooking to actually suggest something
[13:02] <Pendulum> jussi: what sort of potato?
[13:02] <jussi> nigelb: thats incredibly disappointing. you need to go lean some cooking.
[13:03] <nigelb> jussi: I agree.  If I could spend a month at home with mom, I would
[13:03] <nigelb> right now, I can do stuff but I need directions
[13:03] <Pendulum> nigelb: nah, all you need is a cookbook and practice. then you'll figure it out eventually how to modify
[13:03] <jussi> Pendulum: not sure - bag doesnt say, but propbably van gough or something similar. bag says "for all food"
[13:03] <nigelb> akgraner: is there a getting started with lp development yet?
[13:04] <nigelb> jml agreed to do something of that sort
[13:04] <Pendulum> jussi: so not something you could bake and stuff?
[13:04] <dholbach> james_w: is there a UDD channel?
[13:04] <jussi> Pendulum: nah, smaller ones - less than the size of your fist
[13:05] <akgraner> nigelb, there is a getting started with develpment
[13:05] <jussi> Pendulum: and getting a bit old also... probably need to put them on the must eat list
[13:06] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/734351841/adopt-an-upstream-victor-vargas
[13:06] <james_w> dholbach: no, there is not
[13:06] <jcastro> ^^ thoughts?
[13:06] <nigelb> akgraner: there was a getting started with launchpad one planned.  jml *might* do it :)
[13:06] <jussi> Pendulum: I was thinking some sort of soup
[13:06] <dholbach> james_w: just thought I'd pester people in there for a channel :-D
[13:06] <dholbach> errr
[13:06] <dholbach> session
[13:07] <Pendulum> jussi: that could be good. a creamy potato soup with sausage in it maybe?
[13:07] <jussi> Pendulum: yeah.. I just need some sort of base recipeto work from
[13:07] <nigelb> jcastro: kamusin ROCKS!
[13:07] <nigelb> I handed over rhythmbox when I couldn't find time to handle it anymore
[13:08] <jcastro> nigelb: anything you want to add?
[13:08] <james_w> dholbach: :-)
[13:08] <nigelb> jcastro: Nothing much, its perfect :)
[13:08] <Pendulum> jussi: http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1648,154181-255204,00.html ?
[13:08] <nigelb> dholbach: hunt down maco and ask her to do one on UDD ;)
[13:08] <james_w> dholbach: do you have a recipes session?
[13:09] <dholbach> james_w: nope
[13:09] <dholbach> james_w: but one on daily builds generally
[13:09] <nigelb> there is one
[13:09] <dholbach> jcastro: NICE
[13:09] <nigelb> there is one on daily builds that is :)
[13:09] <akgraner> nigelb, let me have my caffeine and put my contacts in and re-read the schedule then :-)
[13:10] <nigelb> akgraner: jml didn't add yet.  I'll someone get him to add something in or ask someone to do it :)
[13:10] <nigelb> *somehow
[13:10] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[13:10] <akgraner> :-)
[13:10] <nigelb> I've become a recruiter now ;)
[13:11] <nigelb> akgraner: oh, jfo could do one about kernel triage
[13:11] <akgraner> nigelb, yep he was off yesterday or I would have asked
[13:11] <nigelb> gah, he's not yet on irc
[13:11] <jussi> Pendulum: thanks... lets see how it turns out
[13:15] <nigelb> akgraner: I'm trying to get someone to do a session about bot-devel, lets see how that goes :)
[13:16] <Pendulum> jussi: np. although now it's all your fault that I had to go make myself a potato :P
[13:16] <nigelb> haha
[13:17] <nigelb> jcastro: from the other post, I <3 the line "And no, I dont mean the hippies, I mean your other friends" :D
[13:17] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah, gotta take a dig at greg-g every chance I get. heh
[13:18] <nigelb> hahaha
[13:19]  * popey spies on his wife doing the hoovering between 12:00 and 12:40 http://popey.com/~alan/house/
[13:22] <akgraner> Pete put up a bird cam so people can watch the birds at our house and we all forget it is there
[13:22] <akgraner> so people see the kids fighting
[13:22] <nigelb> haha
[13:22] <akgraner> the dog chasing squirrels - and me yelling at the kids
[13:22] <Pendulum> heh
[13:22] <nigelb> did you yell for the whole sunroof thingie?
[13:23] <akgraner> yes!
[13:23] <nigelb> (it was totally funny btw)
[13:23] <akgraner> which made the kids and Pete laugh
[13:24] <nigelb> you sound like my mom.  Also leaving the sunroof open sounds like the stupid things that I tend to do :D
[13:24] <akgraner> Nick used to tell us we needed to go a graner podcast - b/c of all the funny crap like that happens at our house.. well that and the debates Pete and I get into...
[13:24] <nigelb> I think you should too!
[13:24] <akgraner> brb - coffee is ready :-)
[13:27] <Pendulum> akgraner: you wouldn't even have to record it specially, just set up some good mics around the house :P
[13:28] <nigelb> jokes apart - a podcast would be a good idea
[13:31] <AlanBell> the next Ozzy and Sharon
[13:42] <akgraner> Pendulum - the show would have to come with a warning label for language and humor....
[13:43] <akgraner> and don't even throw JFo into the mix - he is an instigator....
[13:43] <nigelb> lol
[13:44] <JFo> I have no idea what you are talking about
[13:44] <JFo> :)
[13:44] <JFo> I am a perfect angel
[13:44] <dholbach> JFo: only in your dreams
[13:44] <dholbach> :-P
[13:44]  * popey shudders at the thought of being in JFos dreams
[13:45] <nigelb> haha
[13:45] <JFo> heh
[13:45]  * JFo tries to look more pious
[13:45] <nigelb> JFo: want to do a session at dev week?
[13:45] <JFo> nigelb, when is that?
[13:45] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[13:45] <dholbach> JFo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[13:47] <JFo> ooh, I'd only be able to do one monday, Tuesday or Wednesday since I have to fly to Dallas on Thurdsay and then Prague on Friday
[13:47] <nigelb> JFo: wednesday 2000 UTC
[13:48]  * JFo translates that to his local time
[13:49] <czajkowski> akgraner: cleaned any more of your car over there :p
[13:49] <akgraner> JFo, see a perfect angle would say yes :-)
[13:49] <akgraner> czajkowski, hehe - nope it's clean enough :-)
[13:49]  * dholbach hugs akgraner
[13:50] <JFo> akgraner, a gullible one
[13:50] <JFo> :)
[13:50] <dholbach> JFo: that's not very pious
[13:50] <czajkowski> akgraner: pissed myswelf laughing when I read it on fb
[13:50] <JFo> oh err...
[13:50]  * JFo looks pious again
[13:50]  * akgraner reminds JFo that Lucifer was a perfect angel too (at one point) :-P
[13:51] <czajkowski> JFo: I imagine you looking rather uncomfortable over there so
[13:51] <nigelb> lol
[13:51] <nigelb> JFo is on the spot :D
[13:51] <JFo> nigelb, I should be able to swing that.
[13:51] <dholbach> czajkowski: you mean http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36724_405086501838_766296838_4124368_2021002_n.jpg?
[13:52] <akgraner> czajkowski, yeah now that it is dry - I laughed a little too yesterday.
[13:52] <JFo> nah, was just making sure my flight was on thursday like I imagined it was
[13:52] <czajkowski> *gring*
[13:52] <nigelb> that was beautifl picture!
[13:52]  * akgraner misses Prague....
[13:53]  * czajkowski is planning on invading Canada sometime between now and september if possible
[14:07] <akgraner> JFo, thanks!
[14:07] <JFo> akgraner, ?
[14:08] <akgraner> JFo, what are you etch a sketch today :-P   for agreeing to do the session for Dev Week :-)
[14:08] <JFo> oh
[14:08] <JFo> no, I've just been working on 5 things since then
[14:08] <akgraner> hehe
[14:09] <akgraner> JFo, I was teasing you ...
[14:09] <akgraner> :-P
[14:09] <JFo> oh
[14:09] <JFo> :)
[14:09]  * JFo is still semi-distracted by e-mail
[14:10] <nigelb> Note to self: when JFo is semi-distracted easier to convince him to do stuff :D
[14:10] <JFo> heh
[14:13] <akgraner> ok caffeine has kicked in and I can see now .. catch you all laters - got stuff to finish :-)
[14:14] <nigelb> hehe, cya :)
[14:15] <greg-g> jcastro: love you too ;)
[14:15] <jcastro> :)
[14:15] <nigelb> LOL
[14:16] <nigelb> JFo: updated schedule with your name
[14:16] <JFo> nigelb, thank you sir
[14:17] <nigelb> dholbach or akgraner: can either of you follow up with jussi - I asked the bot folks if they can talk about bot devel :)
[14:17]  * nigelb has to leave about now
[14:17] <akgraner> nigelb, yeppers
[14:18] <nigelb> We have 5 slots to go!
[14:19] <dholbach> nigelb: get them to sign up for the slots
[14:19] <dholbach> nigelb: we can still move stuff around later on
[14:19] <dholbach> nigelb: or change the session title
[14:20] <akgraner> JFo, what is your session title and I'll add it
[14:20] <JFo> hmmm, I think nigelb called it OMG Kernel Panic!
[14:22] <akgraner> JFo, okie dokie - adding it now :-) with a note you need it to be on Monday
[14:22] <JFo> ?
[14:22] <JFo> what do you mean on a Monday?
[14:22] <akgraner> nm wrong conversation
[14:22] <akgraner> :-)
[14:22] <akgraner> now I am distracted
[14:22] <akgraner> grrrr
[14:22] <JFo> heh
[14:23] <JFo> looks like nigelb already added mine anyway
[14:23] <akgraner> yep
[14:23] <JFo> Wednesday afternoon
[14:24] <jcastro> jay foe
[14:24] <jcastro> forum participation in that thread seems to be not so good. :(
[14:25] <jcastro> how are the docs coming along?
[14:25] <jcastro> JFo: ^
[14:25] <JFo> still in progress with a finalization during the platform sprint
[14:25]  * jcastro thumbs up
[14:33] <dholbach> akgraner: 4 left
[14:40] <maco> nigelb: youve got james_w sittin right next to you in the channel, and you want /me/ to do one on UDD? pffffffffft
[15:04] <jcastro> DING!
[15:04] <jcastro> that's the sound of a dying work item!
[15:05] <dholbach> maco: want to give another session at UDW?
[15:05] <dholbach> maco: there's 4 slots left
[15:05] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[15:06] <jcastro> dholbach: is the sync request process formalized or is it just snagging someone on irc
[15:09] <vish> dholbach: do you have the logs for older UDW's?
[15:09] <vish> dholbach: iirc david did one for papercuts , if i have that , i could fill up one slot ;)
[15:09]  * vish lazy
[15:09] <akgraner> vish, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Previous
[15:10] <vish> akgraner: thanks
[15:10] <jcastro> dpm: how you holding up over there, anything I can do to help?
[15:10] <dholbach> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[15:11] <jcastro> thank you sir!
[15:11] <dholbach> de rien
[15:11] <dholbach> vish: was it at UDW or UOW?
[15:12] <vish> dholbach: found it!
[15:12] <dholbach> super
[15:13] <vish> dholbach: the 15th second slot free?
[15:13] <czajkowski> Pretty good article http://www.zdnet.com/blog/education/why-isnt-ubuntu-good-enough-for-us-classrooms/4055
[15:14] <dholbach> vish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[15:14] <dholbach> vish: err, yes
[15:14] <vish> dholbach: i'll take it :D
[15:14]  * dholbach hugs vish
[15:14] <dholbach> 3! TO! GO!
[15:15] <vish> damn you nigelb ! ;p
[15:17] <jussi> czajkowski: Im not a fan.
[15:17] <dholbach> vish: shall I go and add you or are you going to do it yourself?
[15:18] <dpm> jcastro, doing fine here, right now not, but thanks!
[15:18] <vish> dholbach: either way , works for me :)
[15:18] <dholbach> vish: same here :)
[15:18] <jussi> czajkowski: I think saying "it cant run proprietry X or proprietry y" is the wrong way to say it - its more about Gimp and OOo dont have the features needed.
[15:18] <vish> dholbach: :D , ok, i
[15:19]  * dholbach hugs vish
[15:19] <vish> i'll do it*
[15:19] <dholbach> thanks vish
[15:19] <vish> np..
[15:19] <jussi> We shouldnt be hungering after proprietry apps, but aiming to make open apps better so they compete properly.
[15:19]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[15:24] <jcastro> dholbach: I have lp powers
[15:24] <jcastro> I can just JFDI that ubuntu description
[15:25] <dholbach> jcastro: me too - I just wasn't sure what people want to see there :)
[15:25]  * jcastro fixes
[15:25] <jcastro> screw it, it's friday
[15:26] <dholbach> :)
[15:26]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:27] <dholbach> akgraner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep - 2 to go! :)
[15:27] <akgraner> woot woot!
[15:29] <akgraner> If we can get the bots and Beginning Development in LP then it's full...
[15:31] <akgraner> maco, didn't you want to facilitate a session for Developer Week :-)
[15:31]  * highvoltage stumbles in and yells HOLA!
[15:33] <akgraner> highvoltage, we have a How to help with Xubuntu session for Dev Week - Don't you want to do an Edubuntu one for Developers :-)
[15:35] <highvoltage> akgraner: when's the next Dev week? I'm in the process of moving to Canada so my schedule currently looks like (insert a combination of very bad stuff here) that's been thrown into a concrete mixer
[15:35] <akgraner> July 12-16, 2010
[15:35] <akgraner> check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[15:35] <akgraner> :-)
[15:36] <akgraner> highvoltage, good luck on the move...
[15:36] <highvoltage> akgraner: that would work good, I can get stgraber involved too, and he can be backup just in case I need to be traveling or something, but I think by then the dust would've settled
[15:38] <akgraner> highvoltage, GREAT! Can you add it to the prep page :-)  There are 2 slots on Friday - pick which one works best for ya!  and Thank you!
[15:39] <highvoltage> akgraner: added, thanks for pinging me about it, I'll post to the edubuntu list about it too
[15:39] <highvoltage> (well, when the schedule is more or less finalised :) )
[15:39] <akgraner> Thanks :-)
[15:39] <akgraner> dholbach, one left
[15:40] <dholbach> great
[15:44] <JFo> highvoltage, why would you want to move to canada ;-)
[15:45] <akgraner> dholbach, just pinged nixternal to see if the Kubuntu folks wanted to do a session for Developer Week
[15:46] <dholbach> akgraner: there's a few kde/qt sessions already, but yeah maybe they want to another one
[15:46] <akgraner> dholbach, I haven't heard back  - I'm still holding out for the bot session :-)
[15:46] <dholbach> :)
[15:51] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:52] <dholbach> jono: akgraner and I reserved the last slot of UDW for you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep :)
[15:53] <highvoltage> JFo: work reasons (otherwise it seems quite dull ;))
[15:53] <JFo> ah, that's alright then ;)
[15:56] <dholbach> hey jono_
[15:56] <dholbach> jono_: akgraner and I reserved the last slot of UDW for you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep :)
[15:58] <jono_> dholbach, I will be on a plane
[15:58] <jono_> so give it to someone else
[15:58] <jono_> thanks though :)
[15:58] <dholbach> jono_: working on it
[15:59] <dholbach> jono_: the schedule looks good though… I mean, even without you
[16:00] <dholbach> :)
[16:19] <maco> jcastro: your blog confuses me
[16:20] <jcastro> it's ok you're not the only one
[16:20] <jcastro> just scroll past it
[16:20] <jcastro> heh
[16:41]  * popey strolls past jcastro
[16:42] <jcastro> #blamepopey
[16:42] <popey> \o/
[16:42] <popey> http://hashtags.wikia.com/wiki/Blamepopey zoiks!
[16:43] <jcastro> popey: you're on the CC right?
[16:43] <popey> I am
[16:43] <jcastro> could you perhaps try to help get some concensus on the design team blog?
[16:43] <jcastro> I'd like to add it to planet asap
[16:43] <popey> sure
[16:45] <jcastro> #itellpeoplepopeyisawesomebuttheydon'tbelieveme
[16:45] <popey> you need to make that a 140 char hastag :)
[16:45] <popey> well, 139
[16:46] <popey> done
[16:53] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - have a great WE! see you on monday! :)
[16:54]  * popey hugs dholbach
[16:54] <popey> Enjoy Sunday :)
[16:54]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[16:54] <popey> good luck
[16:54] <dholbach> haha
[16:54] <popey> (not)
[16:54] <popey> :D
[16:54] <dholbach> to you too
[16:54] <dholbach> you'll need it ;-)
[16:54] <popey> hahaha
[16:54] <dholbach> :-D
[16:54] <dholbach> I honestly don't know what's going to happen
[16:54] <dholbach> it'll be interesting
[16:54] <dholbach> and I'll drive from my parents' place back early, so I arrive in time to watch the game
[16:55] <dholbach> anyway, let's hope we're still friends on Monday :)
[16:55]  * dholbach hugs you all
[16:59]  * maco is confused
[16:59] <maco> are england and germany playing against each other on sunday?
[17:11] <jcastro> popey: how many +1s do we need?
[17:11] <popey> maco: yes
[17:11] <popey> jcastro: enough :)
[17:11] <popey> tbh I highly doubt anyone will -1
[17:14] <jcastro> yeah I just want to get this todo off my plate
[17:14] <jcastro> I started work like 2 hours early to experiment, and it's been working great so far!
[19:44] <jcastro> jono_: man, unity looks badass with that new sf wallpaper
[19:57] <jono_> jcastro, yeah, it looks sweet :)
[21:07] <doctormo> jcastro: screenshot?
[21:08] <jcastro> doctormo: on his blog
[21:10] <doctormo> jono_: Looks nice, I'm glad there are still buttons on the desktop, although the theme is a little high contrast for my taste.
[21:13] <doctormo> All: What an interesting image http://kenry99.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Analogia-168943245?q=1&qo=1
[21:15] <jcastro> doctormo: the gibbon looks like an orangutan
[21:15] <doctormo> Looks liek some Disney characters to me.
[21:15] <jcastro> yeah
[21:16] <jcastro> someone had a pet roundup image I saw once
[21:17] <doctormo> I think by looking at it there are a number of existing images I know about which have been traced, all ones he couldn't find are from Disney.
[21:18] <doctormo> But there are lots of interesting images, like this one: http://funeralspring.deviantart.com/art/ubuntu-168696076?q=1&qo=1
[21:26] <jcastro> jono_: would you like an update on menu stuff before I EOD?
[21:33] <doctormo> jcastro: http://leftyfb.com/2010/06/25/fosscon-2010-followup/ big praise for you on your talk, well done.
[21:35]  * jcastro looks
[21:35] <jcastro> yeah it was fun
[21:38] <jono_> jcastro, please
[21:38] <jono_> jcastro, lets do mumble
[21:38] <jcastro> jono_: I can mumbles
[21:38] <jcastro> gimme 5?
[21:38] <jono_> sure
[21:40] <doctormo> jono_: 15 weeks to go until release, everything look like it's going to plan?
[21:40] <jono_> doctormo, all seems in order :)
[21:41] <doctormo> That's good, I
[21:41] <doctormo> 'm hoping everything goes to plan and we get a nice developer's flatform going with Maverik.
[21:41] <doctormo> platform*
[21:42] <jcastro> jono_: I'm all set
[21:43] <jono_> jcastro, one sec
[21:49] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu
[21:51] <jcastro> https://edge.launchpad.net/weather-indicator
[22:23] <jcastro> hah
[22:23] <jcastro> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahotw/4717029847/sizes/l/
[22:23] <jcastro> Can anyone tell that's like my favorite shirt?


[00:45] <SoWhat> changed from Mint to Lubuntu - what a relief
[00:46] <SoWhat> can you tell me why when running Lubuntu from CD it looks different than after installation?
[00:46] <SoWhat> theme is darker
[00:50] <xsaidx> SoWhat: i guess cus it set up with diffent theme
[00:53] <SoWhat> I tried to find such theme in Preferences -> Change Look and Feel, but I could change only look of windows, but menu stayed the same
[00:56] <xsaidx> SoWhat: maybe ty chanign just the borders
[00:59] <SoWhat> is it possible to find package which changes whole desktop so it looks like, for example, Mac OS X ?
[01:02] <xsaidx> yeh i rember this  google macbuntu
[01:03] <xsaidx> SoWhat: google macbuntu theres some theme i saw on webupd8.org
[01:03] <wxl> macbuntu is gnome
[01:07] <xsaidx> wxl: oh i didnt think of that
[01:07] <wxl> yeah....
[01:08] <wxl> although you could get pretty close with the right wallpaper, a different panel, a new menu icon, and some new folder icons.
[01:08] <wxl> doesn't take much
[01:09] <SoWhat> wxl, can I do it with just few clicks or I have to change it all separately ?
[01:10] <wxl> i know of no way to do it easily
[01:10] <wxl> i'd just take the time to do it right
[01:10] <wxl> get really completist and change your default font too
[01:13] <xsaidx> SoWhat: check this out http://sourceforge.net/projects/macbuntu/
[01:14] <SoWhat> thanks!
[01:16] <xsaidx> SoWhat: np
[02:23] <RedAngel> how to customize ubuntu minimal iso with a new package
[02:26] <RedAngel> anyone knows how to do it
[09:11] <skiwithpete> sup
[09:24] <bioterror> skiwithpete, if you want to ask what's up, join #lubuntu-offtopic  ;)
[09:25] <skiwithpete> nah, just announcing my arrival.  Was hoping I'd see you though about that spacing problem.
[09:33] <skiwithpete> bioterror, its been closed our group, but nothing seems to fix it yet
[09:41] <bioterror> ahhh
[09:41] <bioterror> it's a duplicate
[09:41] <bioterror> if you mean that you suspend your laptop and when you open lid :D
[09:46] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: just run livecd 11.10 http://pastebin.com/ryfXNuP8 .xsession-errors
[09:47] <bioterror> it tries to find that GTK3 theme engine
[09:49] <bioterror> mostly GTK related problems :D
[09:57] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: do you use xscreensaver?
[09:58] <bioterror> JohnDoe_71Rus, not much
[09:58] <bioterror> I'll configure it for blank
[09:59] <bioterror> actually, I disabled it
[09:59] <bioterror> I rather shutdown screen
[09:59] <bioterror> screensaver was for the CRT displays
[09:59] <bioterror> becouse they used to burn image to the screen
[10:00] <bioterror> just like plasma displays
[10:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ok. it runnung now. try do this. in menu - change user, select the same user and login. how much time you enter password?
[10:01] <bioterror> you mean logout and log back in?
[10:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> not logout, change user
[10:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> but login in the same user
[10:01] <bioterror> no user change here
[10:02] <bioterror> are you using GDM?
[10:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> in lxdm present to
[10:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> bioterror: try logout
[10:07] <bioterror> why? :)
[10:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i use not the lubuntu, ubuntu+lxde+lubuntu-desktop. do change user(not logout, user is still log in) in gdm i see "user ... login" login in the same user, enter password and then xscreensaver ask password agane
[10:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> gdm == lxdm
[10:14] <JohnDoe_71Rus> in gdm it's good. enter password one time
[10:23] <JohnDoe_71Rus> I have absolutely got confused. But the problem is. It is necessary to remember sequence and to write down
[11:13] <bioterror> maraz, I was wondering while walking back home from taking my daughter to a day club or something like that, that the xfce4-panel works differently than lxde panel for example. if I remember right hey have exact positions and it can be "locked" to prevent icons moving
[11:14] <bioterror> Unit193, as a xfce-luser, tell us
[12:38] <bioterror> hmmm
[12:38] <bioterror> I had an accident
[12:39] <bioterror> can someone pastebin me /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart
[12:39] <bioterror> :D
[12:40] <bioterror> hey, we have 47 nicks in here :D
[12:43] <iceroot> bioterror: http://paste.ubuntu.com/739137/
[12:43] <bioterror> thanks
[12:51] <bioterror> what
[12:51] <bioterror> xfce4-power-manager.desktop is not by default in /usr/share/applications/
[12:51] <bioterror> and I went and deleted it from /etc/xdg/autostart/ :D
[12:52] <bioterror> if only I could start xfce4-power-manager before that volume icon and nm-applet
[12:54] <bioterror> problem about that icon moving around is in that
[12:55] <bioterror> but if I close the lid and open it, that xfce4-power-manager icon gets first
[12:55] <bioterror> and oh well
[14:44] <Osmodivs_> What's the Lubuntu version of Ctrl-Alt F2 in Nautilus? I want to run a program (GTK-Redshift) everytime my PC starts
[14:48] <bioterror> cp /usr/share/applications/gtk-redshift.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
[14:50] <Osmodivs_> bioterror: Thx, I'll try that.
[14:51] <bioterror> ofcourse I dont know if you have that in /usr/share/applications/
[14:51] <bioterror> but sure you can make a new file into ~/.config/autostart/ like we all do with conky ;)
[16:10] <Sanky> Hello.  Figured here would be the best to ask..  With PCManFM, I can easily mount the two disks I have just by clicking on them in the bookmarks; is there any way to do this automatically at login?
[16:10] <Sanky> Sounds dead simple, but yeah.
[16:40] <bioterror> Sanky, yes
[16:40] <bioterror> !fstab | Sanky
[16:40] <bioterror> sudo blkid
[16:40] <bioterror> grab the uuid and use it as a device
[16:40] <bioterror> UUID=f62de6e1-1f2f-4ec6-8a82-283ca6174f01 /media/Dump xfs defaults 0 0
[16:40] <bioterror> something like that
[16:41] <bioterror> remember to create that mountpoint under /media/
[16:41] <bioterror> and change xfs to your filesystem
[16:50] <u__> hello I tried installing gnome-alsamixer but won't start. Any advice ?
[17:04] <Sanky> bioterror: thank you, I think I got it!
[17:05] <bioterror> good
[20:00] <Gege71> hello; what is the log viewer in lubuntu please ?
[20:01] <bioterror> I've been using mostly cd /var/log/ and cat with |less
[20:02] <Gege71> of course... but a real graphical would be good for me :)
[20:03] <bioterror> how graphical interface makes "text" better to read? :)
[20:05] <Gege71> mmm... searching for an error message is easier with mouse, especially when you don't know in which log error has been reported
[20:08] <bioterror> how mouse is better than for example using search?
[20:08] <bioterror> or pgdown or pgup
[20:08] <bioterror> if you want, you can use |links for your parser
[20:08] <bioterror> it has mouse scrool :D
[20:08] <Unit193> cat, grep, less, and more are the "log viewers" that come with Lubuntu. Leafpad if you want GUI
[20:13] <Gege71> indeed. .. but since i just installed lubuntu after 4 years using gnome 2, ... i need time to switch tools :)
[20:14] <bioterror> it's not our fault that you've used 4 years wrong tools ;)
[20:14] <Gege71> my real problem is : i can't see my USB stick  in pcmanfm, it doesn't mount automatically
[20:14] <Gege71> hehe right
[20:14] <bioterror> really
[20:14] <bioterror> what does dmesg say?
[20:14] <bioterror> it usually tells you something
[20:15] <bioterror> probably bad super block or something
[20:15] <Gege71> dmesg : nothing, but syslog says :
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:40 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.113661] scsi 11:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Verbatim STORE N GO       PMAP PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:40 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.117674] sd 11:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.389958] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] 8060928 512-byte logical blocks: (4.12 GB/3.84 GiB)
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.390462] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] Write Protect is off
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.390472] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.391090] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] No Caching mode page present
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.391099] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.395089] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] No Caching mode page present
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.395098] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] Assuming drive cache: write through
[20:15] <Gege71> Nov 15 21:05:41 ZEUS kernel: [ 1044.455905]  sde: sde1
[20:15] <Gege71> etc ...
[20:16] <Gege71> i hope i won't have to manually mount usb stick / drives everytime i plug them !
[20:16] <bioterror> next time pastebin, thanks
[20:16] <Gege71> sorry
[20:17] <bioterror> no you should not mount it manually
[20:17] <Gege71> but nothing appears in file manager
[20:18] <bioterror> is your lubuntu fresh installation?
[20:18] <bioterror> or did you apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[20:18] <Gege71> frsh install from last iso
[20:20] <Gege71> sorry... i just tried with another usb sticj and it does work now !
[20:21] <Gege71> very strange.. lets try with another one
[20:21] <bioterror> format that which doesnt want to mount
[20:23] <Gege71> anyway thanks for your availability bioterror
[20:24] <Gege71> i will certainly  have many problem to resolve with lxde since it's new to me
[20:29] <Gege71> maybe the reason is the usb stick was "formattted" with a "dd if=tttt.iso of=/dev/sdx"
[20:29] <bioterror> could be
[20:29] <bioterror> usually it shows nothing :D
[20:41] <reflexrg> tested it out seems to be that the files where already messed up a little and maybe when I burnt to disc the reason was because I was running bleachbit maybe it removed some essential files. bioterror
[20:41] <reflexrg> tested it on a pdf I downloaded though not music files
[20:42] <reflexrg> made an md5sum with the file then did what I did with the audio files then checked them with the md5sum created beforehand and it passed
[20:42] <bioterror> I have no idea what you're talking about ;)
[20:42] <reflexrg> it was yesterday
[20:44] <reflexrg> remember with pcman with file integrity problems while moving files when accidentally putting it in a file or its own file
[20:44] <reflexrg> I tried it with a pdf and there was no problems md5sumed it and did what I did it checked out fine but then again it wasn't a huge file
[20:45] <reflexrg> with the audio files I'll just have to pic my favorites and then re get them
[20:56] <bekor> hi anyone here using docky on lubuntu?
[20:58] <reflexrg> no
[20:59] <reflexrg> we don't use anything that slows pc down
[21:10] <Gege71> about lxpanel ; anyone know how to get temperatures ? i only have "NA" with the temperature applet
[21:11] <reflexrg> probably cause you need to setup a server
[21:11] <reflexrg> go in preferences for the temp app and change the settings appropriate for you and your region
[21:13] <Gege71> mmm... i was talking about CPU and GPU temperature, altough the weather applet only show the weather icon, but not the temperature :)
[21:13] <reflexrg> well most likely its because you need to setup a region use your closest major city instead of the city you live in I am too paranoid to use the city i live in... not even my ip shows up where I live but pretty close to it shows my isps location
[21:13] <reflexrg> oh that well your cpu and gpu has to support that
[21:13] <reflexrg> not all cpus and gpus support temperature monitoring
[21:14] <reflexrg> my cpu has always ran hot at warning levels according to cpu monitor and I've been using it for years no problems
[21:14] <reflexrg> 6 years now
[21:14] <reflexrg> will be 7
[21:14] <reflexrg> soon
[21:14] <Gege71> sensors return the cpu temp, and nvidia settings the gpu temp, they are both OK
[21:14] <reflexrg> everything still is healthy
[21:15] <reflexrg> oh okay I dunno
[21:15] <reflexrg> busy today again maybe someone can help here
[21:15] <reflexrg> have to fly again
[21:15] <reflexrg> see you!
[21:15] <Gege71> thanks anwyay :)
[21:16] <reflexrg> I'll be back though
[21:16] <reflexrg> maybe I help later
[21:16] <reflexrg> ;p


[05:49] <Derath-S1vr> *yawn* evening all
[05:51] <Derath-Srvr> Was great to see some people this past weekend, although there were only a handful that I recognized...
[16:46] <skellat> If anybody wants a small project to play with, here is something: http://bugs.debian.org/723109
[16:46] <jenni> [ #723109 - RFP: markdowner -- A two-pane editing tool for creating in Markdown and cross-walking to HTML - Debian Bug report logs ] - https://j.mp/1eVtK8L


[00:00] <bkerensa> slangasek: looks like nathwill wont make it.... Im going to run a bit late but will get there... Buses to that part of SE are hectic
[00:01] <bkerensa> :S
[00:07] <cy1> OK dishes are done! Now I can... start getting ready to go. xp
[00:10] <slangasek> bkerensa: mmk :)
[00:17] <cy1> and here I gooo
[01:03] <bkerensa-lab> Inyeresting place
[01:57]  * zenlinux decides tonight is as good a night as any to upgrade his desktop to 12.04
[02:49] <cy1> Heh.
[02:49] <cy1> For a minute I thought Lucky Labs was monitoring this IRC connection.
[02:49] <cy1> Then I remember their wireless is currently only able to monitor the fact that I have a ssh connection "somewhere".
[05:57] <bkerensa> * zenlinux [01:57:52] decides tonight is as good a night as any to upgrade his desktop to 12.04
[05:57] <bkerensa> and now he is gone ^ :P
[06:15] <bkerensa> !#ubuntu
[06:15] <bkerensa> !#ubuntu-offtopic
[06:15] <bkerensa> !offtopic
[06:19] <blkperl> !fearlessleader
[06:19] <blkperl> lubotu1: fearlessleader is bkerensa
[06:19] <blkperl> awww
[06:20] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:20] <blkperl> oh oops it forwared something
[06:20] <bkerensa> blkperl: u made lubotu spam a channel :P
[06:20] <bkerensa> <lubotu1> In #ubuntu-us-or, blkperl said: lubotu1: fearlessleader is bkerensa
[06:20] <bkerensa> <bkerensa> lol
[06:20] <blkperl> haha
[06:21] <bkerensa> in #ubuntu-irc
[06:21] <blkperl> seems like that bot can be too easily abused