[05:41] <maahes> magn3ts: np
[05:42] <magn3ts> truepurple, open a completely new terminal. type `sudo apt-get remove avast4workstation` and it will go away.
[05:42] <truepurple> magn3ts: I think I just tried that
[05:42] <magn3ts> no you didn't...
[05:42] <magn3ts> you *just* showed me the command you ran....  sudo dpkg -r sudo apt-get remove avast4workstationsudo
[05:42] <faina> I think you need to do sudo apt-get remove avast4workstation:i386
[05:43] <faina> Assuming you're running amd64 and not i386
[05:43] <truepurple> Reading package lists... Done
[05:43] <truepurple> Building dependency tree
[05:43] <truepurple> Reading state information... Done
[05:43] <nishant> .
[05:43] <truepurple> E: Unable to locate package avast4workstation
[05:43] <phiV> hey
[05:43] <magn3ts> truepurple, okay, follow faina's suggestion.
[05:43] <magn3ts> truepurple, `sudo apt-get remove avast4workstation:i386`
[05:43] <truepurple> do sudo apt-get remove avast4workstation:i386
[05:43] <truepurple> oops
[05:43] <faina> (I had that problem with nokia's scratchbox packages)
[05:44] <truepurple> same thing
[05:44]  * rcmaehl srsly would pay money sometimes just to get linux help
[05:44] <magn3ts> rcmaehl, I'm trying buddy, I still don't know what your problem actually is.
[05:44] <magn3ts> rcmaehl, you can manually add bad menu entries in ubuntu... there's nothing that can magically be done about that.
[05:44] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: basically ubuntu thinks things are there that aren't
[05:44] <truepurple> magn3ts: Same thing happened
[05:44] <rcmaehl> and it causes major hard freezes
[05:45] <truepurple> faina: It didn't work
[05:45] <magn3ts> truepurple, paste the full output of `sudo dpkg -l | grep avast` ... there should be letters at the end of one of the lines.
[05:45] <OxDeadC0de> can anyone tell me how to launch xorg from *ubuntu11.04 , then launch xterm into that xorg session, so no wm is running?
[05:45] <rcmaehl> like if a default open with program is missing b/c ubuntu thinks its installed ubuntu will hard freeze
[05:45] <magn3ts> rcmaehl, what causes major hard freezes?
[05:45] <magn3ts> There are a million different things you could be referring to at the moment.
[05:45] <truepurple> I just did before magn3ts, just look up a little in chat history
[05:46] <magn3ts> truepurple, you left out the beginning on the line.
[05:46] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: alot
[05:46] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: alot of things
[05:46] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: trying to open libreoffice when it's not installed
[05:46] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: etc
[05:46] <truepurple> magn3ts: The beginning is only the input line
[05:46] <truepurple> a@myubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get remove avast4workstation:i386
[05:46] <truepurple> Reading package lists... Done
[05:46] <truepurple> Building dependency tree
[05:46] <truepurple> Reading state information... Done
[05:46] <truepurple> E: Unable to locate package avast4workstation:i386
[05:46] <FloodBot1> truepurple: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:47] <magn3ts> rcmaehl, what do you mean? If you click a DOCX file and Libreoffice isn't installed... nautilus shouldn't try to open it with it... and even if it did, it would just fail.
[05:47] <magn3ts> truepurple, good lord on this green earth
[05:47] <magn3ts> truepurple, read.
[05:47] <magn3ts> truepurple, paste the full output of `sudo dpkg -l | grep avast` ... there should be letters at the end of one of the lines.
[05:47] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: i know but it doesn't. it hard freezes
[05:47] <centHOGG> ram check
[05:47] <magn3ts> rcmaehl, I don't understand how that could happen, OR how it could lead to a hard halt.
[05:48] <rcmaehl> magn3ts: that's what I'm trying to figure out
[05:48] <magn3ts> rcmaehl, with one of these files.... in nautilus... if you right click... what is the default "Open With" application?
[05:48] <truepurple> magn3ts: There isn't. Only "ii  avast4workstation:i386                1.3.0                                      avast! antivirus for Linux"
[05:48] <magn3ts> truepurple, right, you left off the "ii" before.
[05:49] <truepurple> That is at the beginning though
[05:49] <magn3ts> truepurple, `sudo dpkg -r avast4workstation`   and then if that fails `sudo dpkg -r avast4workstation:i386"
[05:49] <magn3ts> truepurple, sorry, I did misspeak, I forgot where the position of the indicator was.  I would be surprised to find out that 'dpkg' worked and 'apt-get' didn't, but I have no idea what the deal is.
[05:51] <superzheng> hello
[05:51] <superzheng> who
[05:51] <magn3ts> juancarlospaco is right. If the nvidia module isn't loadign at boot, it's probably not going to work the way you're expecting it too.
[05:51] <magn3ts> superzheng, hi
[05:52] <superzheng> china
[05:52] <superzheng> you?
[05:52] <magn3ts> !cn
[05:52] <wslayer> FATAL? Module nvidia not found
[05:52] <truepurple> magn3ts sudo dpkg -r avast4workstation:i386 worked!
[05:52] <magn3ts> haelulah
[05:53] <magn3ts> lol, glad you got it worked out truepurple :)
[05:53] <faina> Magn3ts, I wonder if apt was stripping the architecture flag?
[05:53] <truepurple> magn3ts: Now why do you feel antivirus programs are a bad thing?
[05:53] <faina> And that's why dpkg worked?
[05:53] <magn3ts> faina, probably, I don't know what form it expects. I should look it up.
[05:53] <magn3ts> truepurple, just unnecessary, and if you're worried about security, there are other issues more important worth securing in ubuntu.
[05:53] <galamar> Hello, I am not able to get my hp LaserJet 1000 printer to respond.... It installs the drivers when I plug it in and show up as available but just won't print?
[05:53] <wslayer> how do I get rid of my custom xorg.conf and make xorg autodetect again?
[05:53] <magn3ts> truepurple, I've never heard of, in my entire life online and in the industry... heard of someone getting a virus in linux
[05:53] <truepurple> magn3ts: Like?
[05:53] <thegoodcushion> galamar: what distro?
[05:54] <magn3ts> truepurple, but within the last 12 months, I've personally known of two collegaues who had intrusions in their linux systems because they were out of date and insecure
[05:54] <galamar> 10.04
[05:54] <magn3ts> truepurple, for example, ubuntu does not ship with a firewall enabled...
[05:54] <wslayer> how do I make xorg autodetect my settings again?
[05:54] <thegoodcushion> galamar: install the latest version of hplip from the hp website
[05:54] <magn3ts> truepurple, and if you happen to install openssh-server... it is not secured at all either.
[05:54] <thegoodcushion> galamar: then it will work, trust me
[05:54] <wslayer> instead of loading the custom xorg.conf
[05:54] <sean____3> how can i view my wifi network from terminal
[05:54] <galamar> ok thank you
[05:54] <magn3ts> wslayer, there's an nvidia tool for it... but if you install through jockey-gtk on any recent version of ubuntu it should do all of that for you.
[05:55] <faina> sean, iwconfig list
[05:55] <KG> Do any of you know how to manually add /dev/dsp_in to the Sound Preferences ?
[05:55] <sean____3> how would i telll if my wifi i being hacked
[05:55] <magn3ts> wslayer, you may want to look at nvidia-xconfig, but like I said, I'd try letting jockey-gtk do it for you if possible. (also, before getting too worked up, make sure your graphics card is supported by the nvidia driver)
[05:55] <sandrossv> Hello
[05:55] <KG> sean, check the logs
[05:55] <sandrossv> May someone tell me where is the everything.log on ubuntu ?
[05:56] <magn3ts> sean____3, that's a loaded question. It depends on what you mean by "wifi being hacked", and it might not be on topic for this room. You can PM me if you like.
[05:56] <KG> if you see a mac address you know shouldn't be on it, then you know
[05:56] <faina> Er,... sean, I was wrong I think iwlist wlan0 (or other device) scan
[05:56] <faina> logs are in /var/log
[05:56] <magn3ts> sandrossv, what does that mean? everything.log ?
[05:56] <wslayer> magn3ts: hm thanks
[05:56] <magn3ts> wslayer, surely.
[05:56] <truepurple> magn3ts: You think I should install a firewall? What one?
[05:56] <sandrossv> magn3ts: it's all logs in one
[05:56] <magn3ts> sandrossv, oh, just magically?
[05:56] <faina> truepurple, at my work we've used ufw
[05:57] <KG> Wifi router or Ubuntu box set up as a router?  Either way, logs
[05:57] <magn3ts> sandrossv, you could cat or tail all of /var/log, but ubuntu doesn't ship with any sort of everything.log configured unless I'm missing something.
[05:57] <sandrossv> magn3ts: idk, i have it on my arch, but not in ubuntu
[05:57] <truepurple> faina: And it's good?
[05:57] <faina> Though ufw's ipv6 support was a bit weak
[05:57] <magn3ts> truepurple, a home computer behind a router? No. I think you're overly worried about it.
[05:57] <sandrossv> magn3ts: ok, ty
[05:57] <faina> ufw is a simple command line configuration tool to control iptables
[05:57] <magn3ts> truepurple, the computers that got hacked were enterprise linux servers on a public network with no protection run by idiots.
[05:57] <KG> I still need to get a mic into the sound prefs that isn't showing up
[05:57] <truepurple> magn3ts: No router, just a regular DSL modem
[05:57] <faina> ufw offers commands like "ufw limit ssh"
[05:57] <faina> or "ufw allow 80"
[05:58] <KG> The sound card shows up in the output....
[05:58] <KG> I had to switch to OSS and Enlightenment to get that to work
[05:58] <magn3ts> truepurple, honestly, if I were you, and I'm fairly self conscious about this sort of thing normally.... I would go out, buy a cheap wireless router (they all come with NAT firewalls that will keep you plenty safe day to day) and not worry about it.
[05:58] <KG> So alsa isn't an option in this case
[05:58] <truepurple> magn3ts: The thing is though, I do plan to set up a dual boot system too
[05:58] <magn3ts> truepurple, so?
[05:58] <KG> but I wanted to drop in here and find out if anyone knows anything about that
[05:58] <magn3ts> if you want Windows to be secure, by all means, use antivirus in widnows.
[05:59] <truepurple> magn3ts: I'd like to have a antivirus in linux so I can deal with viruses from a uninfected system
[05:59] <magn3ts> I don't know that linux based AV will fight Windows infections though.
[05:59] <magn3ts> They might I suppose... IDK.
[05:59] <faina> truepurple, actually a better choice for linux is something like aide -- its a tool that scans a system and builds a list of installed file checksums
[05:59] <truepurple> magn3ts: Actually, I am told by many that is most of what they do
[06:00] <truepurple> faina: And a novice can use this to determine infection?
[06:00] <magn3ts> truepurple, I see. Then I suppose I understand a bit more why you want this. I also think you're still being overly worried though, Install Microsoft Security Essentials, use chrome and don't download porn.exe and you'll be okay.
[06:00] <faina> Novice, that's a good question. It'll just tell you if files were modified.
[06:01] <truepurple> magn3ts: I'd rather use firefox
[06:01] <magn3ts> But that's not what you're asking I suppose... if you want AV in Linux, you can use it, and scanning Windows is a fairly legitimate reason I suppose.
[06:01] <faina> Use noscript with firefox?
[06:01] <magn3ts> *shudder* well that's probably fine too.
[06:01] <magn3ts> faina, just fyi, chrome has built in noscript basically.
[06:01] <faina> I thought chrome just had better sandboxing?
[06:01] <truepurple> magn3ts: Also, just because linux is secure from infection, doesn't mean ones browser can't be compromised by maleware
[06:01] <faina> Not "don't run anything from this site"
[06:02] <Firefishe> I just upgraded to Firefox 5, and now some of my extensions are toast.  How do I do a downgrade?
[06:02] <wslayer> my xorg won`t start even with vesa
[06:02] <Firefishe> Running 10.04
[06:02] <centHOGG> Firefishe: welcome to linux firefox nightmare
[06:02] <magn3ts> faina, no it has that too.
[06:03] <truepurple> magn3ts: As far as chrome goes, I guess I am a bit biased against it considering how invasive google has become
[06:03] <magn3ts> truepurple, what do yo umean?
[06:03] <magn3ts> what does that even mean? invasive? it's an open source browser dude?
[06:03] <faina> Magn3ts, neat, I'll have to check chrome out again.
[06:03] <truepurple> magn3ts: Please elaborate on on "what do you mean"
[06:03] <Firefishe> centHOGG: I mean, the codebase *will* catch up with it, eventually, but I'd like to just go back to the way it was.
[06:03] <magn3ts> how is a browser going to be "compromised via malware" ?
[06:03] <TSG> qin, Yes i'm here
[06:04] <TSG> Just semi away from keyboard at time
[06:04] <TSG> s
[06:04] <truepurple> magn3ts: Maleware=vicious programs that cause advertising to be forced onto your computer or steal information, but are not "viruses"
[06:05] <centHOGG> Firefishe: goodluckwidthat... i just had to reinstall after that happened to me... switch off upgrades when you use LTS
[06:05] <wslayer> my new x configuration file was written to /etc/X11/XF86Config
[06:05] <magn3ts> truepurple, they're basically the same though... they exploit a hole in the system or get the user to intervene....
[06:05] <faina> Truepurple, most cases malware has to be installed by the user.
[06:05] <magn3ts> truepurple, if either of those happen, you're screwed either way and no amount of anything is going to fix it.
[06:05] <Firefishe> centHOGG: reinstall the entire os??
[06:05] <wslayer> i need help with xorg
[06:05] <centHOGG> :(
[06:05] <magn3ts> wslayer, XF86Config? you're using ubuntu right?
[06:06] <magn3ts> wslayer, a recent version of ubuntu right? lol
[06:06] <wslayer> magn3ts: yes
[06:06] <truepurple> faina: That is wrong, most malware secretly installs itself onto your browser, and linux promissions do not apply to browser installations
[06:06] <Firefishe> centHOGG: I'm not reinstalling the entire os just for one browser...my primary extensions like NoScript and Ad Block Plus work.  Cool Iris--my *eye candy*--doesn't. ;-)
[06:06] <wslayer> magn3ts: ubuntu 11.04
[06:06] <magn3ts> >_< truepurple that's wildly inaccurate.
[06:06] <centHOGG> :)
[06:06] <Firefishe> I like eye candy ;)
[06:06] <magn3ts> like, beyond wildly inaccurate.
[06:06] <magn3ts> although with Firefox I'd believe it a lot more than Chrome, but it's still not a fair depiction of how malware works at all.
[06:06] <wslayer> magn3ts: nvidia-xconfig produced that XF86Config
[06:06] <truepurple> magn3ts: Your speaking against my direct experience with such programs, so please elaborate
[06:06] <magn3ts> wslayer, yeah, that's just weird.
[06:07] <truepurple> magn3ts: In what ways am I so wrong?
[06:07] <magn3ts> I would like to hear of the experience where malware infected a browser.... and then magically how browsers escape the Linux permission system.
[06:08] <truepurple> magn3ts: Malware does install itself, are you disputing this?
[06:08] <magn3ts> One thing I've never heard of ... and then another that I know to be categorically impossible.
[06:08] <rcconf> hi all
[06:08] <magn3ts> truepurple, of course I am.
[06:08] <centHOGG> magn3ts: concur
[06:08] <magn3ts> truepurple, that's absurd, anyone can just make a program magically install itself?
[06:08] <truepurple> magn3ts: It uses exploits to do so
[06:08] <rcconf> could someone check if this file exists in Maverick? /etc/init.d/network-manager.conf
[06:08] <rcconf> tks
[06:08] <magn3ts> right, exploits that don't exist in linux
[06:09] <truepurple> magn3ts: But they do exist in the browser
[06:09] <faina> For the install a previous version of firefox, you might be to downgrade with "apt-get -s install firefox=4.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu3".
[06:09] <faina> er without the -s
[06:09] <centHOGG> i mean like a worm for linux LAMP systems
[06:09] <centHOGG> possible
[06:09] <magn3ts> truepurple, even if they do, I've never heard of a Firefox bug in linux that allows native code execution and I know there's never ever been a case of escalation thru the browser.
[06:09] <truepurple> magn3ts: I have installed apps and games onto my browser under ubuntu, and not a single time has it asked for a password
[06:10] <magn3ts> And if you're worried about a browser bug allowing system access... you're about 100x better off with Chrome than Firefox.
[06:10] <magn3ts> truepurple, right, those browsers and "apps"... can't touch a damn thing on your computer.
[06:10] <magn3ts> They can't access your files, your settings, the command line, dpkg, apt, anything. none.
[06:10] <truepurple> magn3ts: All they need to do is touch stuff on the browser level, it doesnt need to escape the browser to cause you problems
[06:10] <magn3ts> I don't even know what "installing an app into my browser" means with Firefox...
[06:10] <magn3ts> truepurple, of course it does.
[06:10] <centHOGG> you could get "phished" on a linux system... any os
[06:11] <magn3ts> I just don't understand the scenario you're trying to prevent against... if you can give me a scenario from start to infection... I can explain how it's either not a high risk... or impossible.
[06:11] <rcconf> could someone check if this file exists in Maverick? /etc/init.d/network-manager.conf
[06:12] <truepurple> magn3ts: Like plugins, or flash games, or it will install a webpage onto your browser for display
[06:12] <faina> rcconf conf files aren't usually in /etc/init.d
[06:12] <faina> though I don't have a maverick system to check on
[06:12] <magn3ts> truepurple, false. plugins require root privileges unless you do a local manual install in your profile.
[06:12] <magn3ts> truepurple, flash games... are flash games... again, they can't touch anything on your computer, period.
[06:13] <magn3ts> do you understand how browser plugins and flash content works?
[06:13] <truepurple> They can touch things in your browser
[06:13] <magn3ts> "install a webpage onto your browser" wat?
[06:13] <magn3ts> truepurple, that's not even true.
[06:13] <magn3ts> Flash can't do anything to my browser... except render content in it when Chrome asks it to.
[06:13] <faina> magn3ts, the browser can touch things that the user id the process is running as has access to
[06:13] <magn3ts> faina, the browser can, but not flash content.
[06:14] <rcconf> faina: tks for your answer I did a locate and found it /etc/init/network-manager.conf
[06:14] <rcconf> ;)
[06:14] <faina> There's also the problem that the browser can read/write to the clipboard.
[06:14] <magn3ts> faina, if there's an exploit it can, but it still can't install software on the local machine without an additional esclation exploit, which I've never ever ever seen in a linux systme, ever.
[06:14] <koffeehaus> test
[06:14] <koffeehaus> ok
[06:14] <magn3ts> faina, again, only through an exploit or flash.
[06:14] <faina> Well yes.
[06:14] <magn3ts> I have no problem with not trusting flash... Flash is click to enable in Chrome for me.
[06:14] <rcconf> magn3ts: what exploit
[06:15] <magn3ts> rcconf, for what?
[06:15] <faina> For your system to get truely rooted you usually need multiple failures
[06:15] <rcconf> what r u talking about
[06:15] <centHOGG> easy test... with your linux browser go to every sick site you can think of... then download the contents of your browser profile to a windows system folder... scan that folder
[06:15] <magn3ts> rcconf, I just meant I can't do <script>alert(system.clipboard)</script> in a webpage.
[06:15] <faina> A lot of the extra security comes from not running as priviledged user
[06:15] <centHOGG> the exploits will all be .exe
[06:15] <rcconf> ot: use noscript addon ;)
[06:15] <magn3ts> faina, I think he's just confused about interactive webapps, flash content, plugins, and true local applications.
[06:15] <rcconf> and dont use windows
[06:15] <rcconf> lol
[06:16] <faina> ok
[06:16] <magn3ts> rcconf, right, but I use Chrome and it's just click-to-enable flash and I have to exempt pages to use javscript. no extension needed :P
[06:16] <truepurple> magn3ts: Again, I never said it could go past ones browser
[06:16] <magn3ts> truepurple, but you still haven't outlined any damage that can be done from a page, or from the browser itself being somehow compromised...
[06:16] <truepurple> And I installed a session plugin without any sudo password required.
[06:16] <magn3ts> Firefox asks you if you want to install an extension
[06:16] <faina> I do think that chrome is supposed to have better sandboxing between different websites
[06:16] <magn3ts> truepurple, no, you probably installed an extension
[06:16] <rcconf> magn3ts: what do you mean with click-to-enable
[06:17] <faina> since each page is being rendered in a seperate process
[06:17] <magn3ts> truepurple, extensions are extremely limited in what they can do. Again, they can't access your files or the system to install anything....
[06:17] <magn3ts> jeeez
[06:17] <wslayer> magn3ts, the browser vulnerabity can`t allow the malicious code to download remote stuff?
[06:17] <truepurple> magn3ts: They can collect your information, passwords, etc. They can force advertising which slows down your PC
[06:17] <DND> guys do you know any cloud server software that can do "dropbox" like services?
[06:17] <magn3ts> rcconf, if I go to YouTube there is a gray box until I click it and then flash can load in.
[06:17] <magn3ts> truepurple, so don't install that extension
[06:17] <magn3ts> or just delete it!
[06:17] <rcconf> magn3ts: in firefox you can enable/disable plugins whenever you want
[06:18] <truepurple> magn3ts: They secretly install themselves onto your browser
[06:18] <magn3ts> rcconf, right, but I want to be able to enable it quickly for jsut a single piece of flash content.
[06:18] <rcconf> magn3ts: oh ok i can do that with noscript :P
[06:18] <magn3ts> truepurple, no. no they don't.
[06:18] <magn3ts> truepurple, that is patently false.
[06:18] <faina> magn3ts is right... firefox will always list the installed extensions
[06:18] <magn3ts> if you can produce an example of an auto-installing extension in Firefox... well.... someone will pay you a lot of money for that. A LOT of money.
[06:18] <rcconf> magn3ts: anyway this ubuntu channel not firefox or chrome
[06:18] <magn3ts> Like, Mozilla would give you thousands probably... hackers would give you more than that.
[06:19] <truepurple> magn3ts: I have a conversation with a fellow named peth who was able to give me script for opening windows browser links when noone here even had a idea they existed, I will go through the conversation, it will take a bit though
[06:19] <magn3ts> rcconf, you're right, this is all surrounding the need for AV software in Ubuntu and I really want to help get this straightened out. I'll drop it in another minute.
[06:19] <magn3ts> truepurple, so what?
[06:19] <magn3ts> truepurple, I can write the code for that right now
[06:19] <faina> Heck there's a python module to do that in a multi-platform way
[06:19] <magn3ts> that's just javascript...
[06:20] <truepurple> I didnt need any javacript to accomplish it
[06:20] <faina> xdg-open http://google.com?
[06:20] <magn3ts> I don't know what you're talking about then.
[06:20] <rcconf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/787192/comments/8
[06:21] <rcconf> I hate that bug
[06:21] <truepurple> When you create a link draging the icon next to a web url in your browser to desktop or folder, that is what I call a web link.
[06:21] <magn3ts> network-manager bug? no, you don't say, haha
[06:21] <faina> But my example is the OS is allowed to control the browser.
[06:21] <magn3ts> truepurple, so now we're back to being in the OS instead of the browser... that changes the conversation 100%...
[06:21] <truepurple> Normally those made under windows doesn't work under ubuntu, turns out a couple lines of code is all that it takes
[06:22] <magn3ts> truepurple, yeah, so what? Again, I can write that code right now for you...
[06:22] <rcconf> magn3ts: cant connect using wpa when mac address is spoofed (using network-manager ofc)
[06:22] <magn3ts> What's the point? how is that harmful or damaging?
[06:22] <truepurple> You said javascript
[06:22] <westz> what the heck are these two arguin about?
[06:22] <magn3ts> westz, he's convinced a flash game is going to get root access and eat his computer
[06:22] <ubuntuinstall> hi all, im getting stuck at the keyboard layout part of installing ubuntu 11 can anyone help me? i have a japanese keyboard on the laptop
[06:22] <russellsteapot> Is there any place in particular that I should put Windows programs for Wine? Looking for the Program Files equivalent. Thanks for the help.
[06:22] <truepurple> Iet me read the conversation
[06:22] <westz> magn3ts, LAWL
[06:22] <wslayer> magn3ts: isn`t that possible?
[06:22] <magn3ts> truepurple, just explain how these windows links are a security problem
[06:23] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: I had that problem in Maverick
[06:23] <truepurple> magn3ts: I never said anything like that
[06:23] <faina> a default windows install process with wine installs into ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files
[06:23] <magn3ts> wslayer, through like 3 different independent and high risk bugs, the likes of which I've never seen before, yes.
[06:23] <ubuntuinstall> member:rcconf: what did u do to get around that?
[06:23] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: I just used english and then changed the layout
[06:23] <magn3ts> truepurple, then why the hell are we talking about browser extensions, flash plugins and links to webpages dude.
[06:23] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: after install
[06:24] <ubuntuinstall> member:rcconf: i clicked on us layout but it doesn't allow me to click on OK
[06:24] <truepurple> magn3ts: I was just saying peth was able to help me where most weren't able to, so she must be knowledgable, and peth said this concept of linux being bulletproof is erronous.
[06:24] <magn3ts> I'm honestly on the verge of calling you a troll and walking away because you're bouncing around from unrelated area to the other, and I've yet to hear anything that even made senes
[06:24] <faina> What about ... if you're feeling really paranoid, just use a live cd for your browsing?
[06:24] <magn3ts> bulletproof? of course not.
[06:24] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: oh and be caferul when typing the password
[06:24] <Firefishe> I had a flash game once, but the profilgrate nudity of the  game disabled it's being used widely and ... *duck
[06:24] <honghong> hi
[06:24] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: just reboot the machine and boot again from livecd
[06:24] <rcconf> and hit english
[06:24] <magn3ts> you're using a computer with code written by a human being... there are bugs. There are probably security bugs. There always will be bugs in anything more than mov $2, $edx
[06:25] <ubuntuinstall> rcconf i'm doing that now. hopefully it'll go this time
[06:25] <ubuntuinstall> rcconf: thx it went past that screen now. cheers!
[06:25] <rcconf> ;)
[06:25] <magn3ts> truepurple, you also need to keep in mnd... that the things youre talking about... AV and Firewall would NOT protect against.
[06:25] <westz> i agree with magn3ts, any code is going to have bugs. hell i've seen someone typo 'print "hello world"'
[06:25] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: dont forget password will be different with that layout..
[06:26] <truepurple> magn3ts: I know that, thats for the dual booting
[06:26] <magn3ts> truepurple, okay, and that I still understand.
[06:26] <magn3ts> well I don't know how a firewall in linux will help windows but yeah...
[06:26] <truepurple> magn3ts: And it was someone else that suggested the firewall
[06:26] <ubuntuinstall> rcconf i'll try to just stick to alphabets and numbers
[06:27] <magn3ts> truepurple, yeah, I did... but that was for locking down your ubuntu install primarily.
[06:27] <magn3ts> truepurple, and honestly, if you're NOT behind a NAT... you probably should configure a firewall.
[06:27] <magn3ts> IMO, the 50-60$ router is cheaper, easier and less error prone, but that's up to you of course
[06:27] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: anyway you can change password later
[06:27] <faina> magn3ts, don't forget disable unnecessary services....
[06:27] <truepurple> magn3ts: Terminology problem, What do you mean "locking down your ubuntu install"? And what is NAT?
[06:28] <rcconf> ubuntuinstall: and if you change password also for the gnome keyring
[06:28] <magn3ts> faina, do you disable much out of the box? There's no ssh by default in the desktop version ,etc.
[06:28] <magn3ts> truepurple, I just meant the Linux firewall will only help protect you while you're in Ubuntu...
[06:28] <westz> the chances of getting a virus in linux are insanely slim. the chances of getting a virus in linux that'll attack your windows partition are practically nonexistant. the chances of getting a virus in linux that will attack your windows partition from a flash game are completely 0%
[06:28] <magn3ts> truepurple, I don't know what NAT stands for... but it protects you against people trying to attack you via services running and listening to the network.
[06:28] <TA5K> HI, I want to disable as much logging as possible in Linux. How to do this?
[06:28] <Holo> ok guys, serious question
[06:29] <magn3ts> westz, right, but from a paranoid standpoint, the chances of a network intrusion are greater than a virus, so I'm trying to focus him in that direction.
[06:29] <Holo> Are zombies turing complete?
[06:29] <ZykoticK9> magn3ts, Network Address Translation
[06:29] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to convert amr to wav?
[06:29] <magn3ts> ZykoticK9, makes sense, thanks.
[06:29] <truepurple> magn3ts: Ok, what is it and how do I determine if I have it?
[06:29] <faina> Occasionally I debate if avahi is a problem... I just occasioanally run netstat --inet -a to see if something got opened when I wasn't looking
[06:29] <rcconf> TA5K: I wanted to know that too but I realized logs sometimes are important..
[06:29] <truepurple> magn3ts: That is what I meant more then what it stood for
[06:29] <faina> Some IM programs like to open up extra ports
[06:29] <westz> Holo, they are not machines. syntax error
[06:29] <centHOGG> linux=servers=logs
[06:30] <magn3ts> truepurple, NAT? If you don't have a router... you don't have it.
[06:30] <rcconf> but yeah if someone knows how to completetly disable logging in ubuntu
[06:30] <ZykoticK9> slimjimflim, if you have mplayer install, and if mplayer plays the amr file - you could use "mplayer -vo null -ao pcm FOO.amr" and get a wav dump
[06:30] <magn3ts> faina, for like video?
[06:30] <truepurple> magn3ts: What firewall do you recommend then?
[06:30] <Holo> why wouldn't a zombie be completely deterministic
[06:30] <Holo> to the point where a machine can model it
[06:30] <magn3ts> truepurple, I don't know sadly. you'll have to solicit others' opinions for that one... like I said, I'm behind a router and that's good enough for me :P
[06:30] <rcconf> just use iptables and guwf
[06:30] <Alexander> guys when i convert my .avi video into a .mp4 video in handebreak, handbreak makes the videos into .m4v format and banshee says that my ipod does not support that format. what does this mean?
[06:30] <Rave1> Network Adress Translation
[06:30] <magn3ts> rcconf, consider your audience, lol
[06:31] <rcconf> magn3ts: I also have a router
[06:31] <faina> Video, file transfer, listening for things. I'm not really sure. I've just noticed some weird ports and tracked them back to my IM program
[06:31] <magn3ts> rcconf, I don't even remember how to configure iptables without looking it up every time, and even then I have to have the docs and the file side by side.
[06:31] <ZykoticK9> Alexander, you could try renaming them mp4 and see if it makes a difference?
[06:31] <truepurple> magn3ts: if you think linux permissions protect me from any and all OS level infectious programing, why do you think firewall or router is necessary?
[06:31] <magn3ts> I don't.
[06:31] <truepurple> magn3ts: Or desired
[06:31] <rcconf> magn3ts: you can also use a VPN and hide your IP..
[06:31] <rcconf> :p
[06:31] <Alexander> ZykoticK9, i tried that,but it didnt help. :/
[06:31] <faina> after 4 rules iptables becomes illegible
[06:32] <magn3ts> Desired? Like I said... I'm just trying to focus you on what I think is the weakest link.
[06:32] <centHOGG> energy wasted there truepurple
[06:32] <rcconf> there is firestarter..
[06:32] <rcconf> later
[06:32] <truepurple> magn3ts: Why do you think it is the weakest link?
[06:32] <magn3ts> rcconf, uh, I had a bad experience. maybe it was my fault. it probabyl was,
[06:32] <rcconf> i dont like firestarter :p
[06:32] <magn3ts> truepurple, if you left everything the same... and came and to me in 5 months and told me your machine was compromised... I would guess it was a network based attack.
[06:32] <ZykoticK9> Alexander, be sure you are using the x264 (or similar video) and AAC audio - you might want to confirm the size/bitrate maximums for your iBad device.  Good luck.
[06:33] <faina> truepurple, The theory is called "defense in depth" each extra security layer you decreases the chances of something going wrong
[06:33] <TA5K> rcconf: mmm, what to do then? I really don't care about all the logging files... Is there a howto or something like this
[06:33] <magn3ts> truepurple, because I trust linux permissions and I know that it's a microscopic target.... AND because I've been portscanned by malicious people many times.... and I had someone access my VNC server in ubuntu with a password while on an unprotected network.
[06:33] <centHOGG> if you hate log files switch to dos
[06:33] <faina> At my work we regualarly get ssh brute force attacks
[06:34] <pgold36> I am looking for help getting suspend to work on my dell inspiron laptop
[06:35] <TA5K> My dream is a Linux without any logging or only logging of local information, nothing about networks.
[06:35] <ZykoticK9> pgold36, what model?
[06:35] <TA5K> centHOGG: do do talk to me?
[06:35] <pgold36> Inspiron M5010
[06:35] <westz> pgold36, whats the problem?
[06:35] <pgold36> I choose suspend (or hibernate) and it just locks the screen
[06:35] <centHOGG> TA5K: de do do do, de dah dah dah
[06:35] <faina> TA5K there's quite a bit of configuration possible in /etc/rsyslog.conf
[06:36] <engammalsko> what is a Zone? ipv4 zone or something how do I get it? I don't really understand what it is.
[06:36] <truepurple> magn3ts: You had someone access your "VNC" (whatever that is) server who knew the password?
[06:37] <magn3ts> truepurple, honestly, I don't know. I thought I had a really long password on it, but the speed with which it was opened... I assume that I either didn't get a password typed in... or there was a vulnerability in VNC.
[06:37] <magn3ts> Seeing as there havent' been vulns in VLC for a long time, and vino uses a shared library for it... I'm assuming I fucked up and had an open VNC running which is totally my own fault
[06:37] <magn3ts> And I apologize for the language, I forgot.
[06:37] <TA5K> faina: thx, but can I disable all logsthis way?
[06:38] <truepurple> magn3ts: What is VNC?
[06:38] <faina> A few years ago there was a VNC vulnerability that let the client specify "NO AUTH"
[06:38] <rewt> vnc isn't encrypted so it could've been sniffed
[06:39] <faina> TA5K, I think you can
[06:39] <truepurple> What is VNC?
[06:39] <pgold36> VNC = Virtual Network Computing
[06:39] <faina> VNC -virtual network computer, a thing very much like rdesktop
[06:39] <pgold36> remote control software
[06:39] <truepurple> I am guessing the v stands for virtual, but I am more interested in what it is
[06:39] <truepurple> oh
[06:39] <magn3ts> rewt, crap.
[06:40] <magn3ts> rewt, I had not even thought of that at all.
[06:40] <magn3ts> rewt, I'm so used to x-forwarding and whatnot.
[06:40] <pgold36> two people responded to me about my suspend issue, but I am not sure if I missed a second response
[06:40] <faina> magn3ts there's some howtos to do an ssh tunnel for vnc
[06:40] <magn3ts> truepurple, remote desktop, cross platform, not super efficient.
[06:40] <magn3ts> faina, oh it's okay, I use NX now. I think I was just playing with Android stuff... although I suppose since I'm rooted I could still do ssh+Vnc on my phone, but I'll just leave it off for now.
[06:41] <truepurple> magn3ts: Well remote anything is a huge security risk not present in a home PC
[06:41] <magn3ts> lol
[06:41] <truepurple> I mean most
[06:41] <TA5K> faina: ok, thanks. I just try to understand how all this logging on Linux is organized and if there is a centralized service for this
[06:41] <magn3ts> I'm not even sure I should bite.
[06:41] <magn3ts> as long as there's (properly done) auth+encryption, it can be perfectly safe.
[06:41] <truepurple> Well there is that cloud thing I have heard of
[06:41] <faina> TA5K, all system logging gets routed through syslog (or now rsyslog)
[06:41] <magn3ts> unless you're worried about governments with quantum computers cracking ecryption in realtime
[06:42] <TA5K> faina: ... is it possible to filter all logs which are coming through? E.g. with RegEx filters
[06:42] <magn3ts> truepurple, ?? what? yes, I'm very familiar with the concept of cloud computing.
[06:42] <faina> TA5K syslog will route the log messages to different files, systems or nothingness depending on configuration
[06:42] <truepurple> Well if we are talking about weak chains, I would say remote access would be the weakest, of anything
[06:43] <faina> I'd suggest starting with man rsyslog.conf
[06:43] <magn3ts> that's just a really false naive assumption though.
[06:43] <truepurple> I mean its expressely designed to accept outside access
[06:43] <magn3ts> like I could tell everyone here that I'm remoted to my machine via SSH+X-Forwarding and invite them to hack me with everything they have, and they wouldn't bother.
[06:44] <magn3ts> truepurple, heh, there are a lot more things on your computer more readily waiting for a connection, that have been far less penetration-tested than SSH :P
[06:44] <truepurple> magn3ts: Like what?
[06:44] <TA5K> faina:ok, I'll read more about rsyslog.conf, thx :)
[06:45] <faina> TA5K, you're welcome
[06:45]  * magn3ts is embarrassed. I feel safe in saying that I can trust SSH a lot, but I can't immediately think of something waiting for network connections in ubuntu.
[06:45] <magn3ts> CUPS?
[06:46] <truepurple> magn3ts: What are the weaker links you speak of?
[06:46] <Gryllida> !cups
[06:46] <Platz> I get a lot of sshd 'access denied' messages in my authlog.  most from china but not all
[06:46] <Gryllida> Platz: fail2ban helps with auto-block if people try to bruteforce.
[06:47] <magn3ts> truepurple, cups is one, flash, java are others.
[06:47] <magn3ts> Pulseaudio, if it listens publicly.
[06:47] <centHOGG> webmin
[06:47] <Platz> Gryllida: cool will check it out.  thought about iptables to block china but seems like a bit of work
[06:47] <truepurple> magn3ts: What is cups?
[06:48] <Gryllida> Platz: fail2ban blocks if people have a certain amount of login failures. It's configurable.
[06:48] <Gryllida> truepurple: Please see what ubottu said about cups.
[06:48] <Platz> looks awesome, ya
[06:50] <truepurple> How is a printer connection manager software a weak link to security?
[06:50] <magn3ts> it listens on the network
[06:51] <magn3ts> truepurple, you do understand the principle here.. that because SSH is used for remote access... does not make it any more insecure than CUPS which listens for print jobs.
[06:51] <hanasaki> what si the current status of gnome3 support?
[06:52] <magn3ts> They're both equally likely to be exploited in a way that enabled remote access, like, if some sort of unauthorized intrusion happens, period, you're SOL regardless of what application it happes in.
[06:52] <westz> magn3ts, are you just trying to make purple paranoid?
[06:52] <i2iot> is there a cool game for linux like alien arena?
[06:52] <i2iot> got lucky with that one
[06:52] <magn3ts> westz, no, I'm trying to rid him of the assumption that ssh+x-forwarding is insecure simply because the nature of the program is remote access.
[06:52] <faina> westz, given the past 20 minutes I think truepurple started paranoid
[06:53] <wslayer> where do I check the kernel log messages?
[06:53] <westz> i2iot, i hear adanaxis is pretty cool
[06:53] <magn3ts> wslayer, /var/log/kernel.log maybe? in /var/log for sure
[06:53] <i2iot> thanks
[06:54] <truepurple> magn3ts: I asked you what the weakest link was, you said CUPS
[06:55] <magn3ts> right, I'm sure CUPS has been penetration tested orders of magnitudes less than SSH.
[06:55] <magn3ts> SSH is used on any important server everywhere, save for the top one person who's running something disconnected from the internet.
[06:55] <faina> By default cups just listens on localhost
[06:55] <centHOGG> CUPS doesn't work anyway
[06:55] <magn3ts> CUPS is probably run on a fraction of a teenty tiny percent of servers.
[06:55] <engammalsko> Could someone help me to setup a dns server?
[06:56] <centHOGG> heh
[06:57] <hanasaki> engammalsko:  just install the packages and then (bind) search for the specs on the config file
[06:57] <truepurple> magn3ts: Because it listens to the printer port, so unless your printer has its own modem... I am failing to see your point here
[06:57] <westz> truepurple, i'm going to settle this right now. do you often get on unprotected networks? (coffeeshops, mcdonalds)
[06:57] <magn3ts> truepurple, um, cups is all network/socket based.
[06:58] <magn3ts> with client level support for hardware attached printers...
[06:58] <truepurple> westz I don't use wifi
[06:58] <westz> truepurple, have you pissed off a group of vengeful nerds?
[06:58] <BigAl> im new to linux any pointers
[06:58] <frybye> Hi - the musik library I imported into banschee from my windows d: drive is not responding this morning.. any tips?
[06:58] <westz> are you on the run from a governemnt agency?
[06:59] <westz> frybye, make sure the volume is mounted?
[06:59] <i2iot> i just got done hooking up my wii controller and using it as a mouse
[06:59] <magn3ts> westz, probably the only one I'd worry about would be the gov't agency.
[06:59] <engammalsko> hanasaki: Yeah but, what about the domain name? Can I just take one that is't taken? Or do I need to buy one?
[06:59] <kennett> What's a good program to monitor the temp on my system?
[06:59] <i2iot> pretty cool stuff, but it doesn't work during gameplay
[06:59] <frybye> westz: are you on the -payroll- of a govt. agency? ;=)
[06:59] <truepurple> Maybe I don't want to take no security measures at all and assume linux is next to bulletproof because a group of strangers say its so
[06:59] <westz> magn3ts, i agree, but im gonna cover all the bases here
[06:59] <hanasaki> engammalsko:  anyone you want.   as long as you point your box to your dns server it will serve the domain
[07:00] <westz> frybye, technically, not for another 9 days (i'm dead serious actually)
[07:00] <hanasaki> then connect to an upstream server
[07:00] <frybye> westz - how to be sure..
[07:00] <truepurple> westz: Better safe then sorry, and wanting to do something to be more secure is not exactly overdoing it in that regard
[07:00] <magn3ts> truepurple, but there's a natural limit: practicality
[07:01] <westz> truepurple, oh i agree you should be as secure as possible, but when you're bugging the hell out of us, we have every right and reason to tell you to stop obsessing
[07:01] <frybye> westz: you shouldn't be bragging about it here pal hh rbdwccc
[07:01] <truepurple> What impractical thing am I suggesting?
[07:01] <engammalsko> hanasaki: Hmm, what I wanna accomplish is to have a domain instead of an ip. And I can do this with a dns server, right?
[07:01] <frybye> westz: - topic changed by rbddcc
[07:01] <hanasaki> engammalsko:  yes
[07:01] <magn3ts> If insecure is 0, secure is 100... the default ubuntu install would be 95... the things you're talking about would get them to 95.5% secure. To get any higher, you have to take the machine off of the internet and have hardware level access control with physical safety.
[07:01] <westz> truepurple, locking your system down to the point that you might as well not connect to the internet
[07:01] <hanasaki> engammalsko:  you need to go read what dns is
[07:02] <magn3ts> aka, what westz said.
[07:02] <truepurple> westz: I never suggested anything like that
[07:02] <engammalsko> hanasaki: But shouldnt the domain I want to use be the domain I point too?
[07:02] <truepurple> Downloading and installing some security program of some kind is nothing like that
[07:02] <NotTooDumb3> hi all i just installed ubuntu10.10 on my lenovo laptop, how to configure for broadband internet? it detects hardware and the login page opens but it's not connecting after i give login details
[07:02] <westz> truepurple, doesnt matter if you did, you're bugging us about it, so we're going to bug you back until you stop
[07:03] <faina> engammalsko, if you want to have a domain, try asking a hosting company, or a service like dyndns
[07:03] <magn3ts> truepurple, a "security program" just isn't going to do anything.
[07:03] <truepurple> westz your going to bug someone asking for help?
[07:03] <magn3ts> I don't know how much more I can cover this. A security program isn't going to protect you against a zero day exploit.
[07:03] <frybye> westz: and if volume control is operational for other sound apps and the songs in the banschee still not responding ...?
[07:03] <faina> NotTooDumb3, what type of broadband connection is it?
[07:04] <magn3ts> truepurple, a "security program" is going to pop up when you download Smilie.exe in your email. That's ALL the protection you're going to get and no more.
[07:04] <frybye> westz: my problem is lack of experiance with -specific- ubuntu stuff - if you follow me...
[07:04] <westz> truepurple, if you're bugging us instead of just doing your research and figuring it out, yes. absolutely
[07:04] <NotTooDumb3> what type of meaning? how to check that?
[07:04] <truepurple> magn3ts: I don't know how you are using the term security program, but I am using it more generically, antivirus, firewall, antimalware etc
[07:04] <magn3ts> I know.
[07:04] <magn3ts> And my statement stands.
[07:04] <faina> Are you plugged into a phone, a dsl modem, a cable modem, and ethernet jack in the wall?
[07:04] <NotTooDumb3> faina, not dail on connection
[07:04] <magn3ts> Minus the firewall.
[07:04] <westz> frybye, what release? 11.04?
[07:05] <truepurple> So your still suggesting the firewall?
[07:05] <magn3ts> faina, yes, I tried that angle, didn't help
[07:05] <engammalsko> For some reason I can't access any sites anymor when I tried to make a dns server...
[07:05] <NotTooDumb3> faina, yes, phone, modem and ethernet cable
[07:05] <magn3ts> truepurple, yes.
[07:05] <bluemako> hi i just installed 11.04 and i can only start it in failsafe graphics mode, how can i solve this?
[07:05] <frybye> westz: sure thing x64 11.04
[07:05] <magn3ts> truepurple, again, network attacks are your #1 weakest link in my opinion
[07:05] <NotTooDumb3> faina, what is this type of broadband connection called?
[07:05] <truepurple> magn3ts: But based on what you said, why should I worry about that at all?
[07:05] <magn3ts> NotTooDumb3, I'm really sorry, but I don't think faina was talking to you
[07:05] <westz> honestly have no experience with x64 linux, but i dont think there shoul;d be a lot of difference
[07:06] <magn3ts> truepurple, because you should buy a router and not worry about it.
[07:06] <magn3ts> a router is going to instantly block anyone trying to attack you
[07:06] <engammalsko> I stopped bind but I can't still access some sites :s
[07:06] <truepurple> magn3ts: Routers make certain handshaking in group games difficult
[07:06] <NotTooDumb3> magn3ts, do you have any idea about my connection problem?
[07:06] <magn3ts> unless they dual it with a physical attack. literally physically coming to you.
[07:06] <magn3ts> truepurple, yes,... that's how it's protecting you, lol....
[07:06] <truepurple> I mean can make them difficult
[07:06] <westz> magn3ts, LMAO
[07:06] <truepurple> it also interfers with use of my PC...
[07:06] <westz> PHYSICAL ATTACK!
[07:07] <magn3ts> truepurple, ... again... right...
[07:07] <magn3ts> truepurple, that's what a firewall does.
[07:07] <galamar> Anyone know of a good OCR program that can produce a document for editting in openoffice-draw
[07:07] <NotTooDumb3> faina, any suggestions for my connection issue?
[07:07] <faina> NotTooDumb3 can you describe the login page?
[07:07] <truepurple> firewalls do not interfer with those if you open a port for the game
[07:07] <magn3ts> truepurple, a NAT firewall is a safe bet... because most applications can route through NAT securelly...
[07:07] <NotTooDumb3> sure
[07:07] <engammalsko> Lol it was just my router.
[07:07] <magn3ts> truepurple, right, so open a port in the router........
[07:07] <bluemako> like is there maybe a thread on this already, i can't find?
[07:08] <NotTooDumb3> faina, http://reliancebroadband.co.in/reliance/login.do?action=doLoginSubmit, this is the page after logging in..
[07:08] <magn3ts> again, modern games can open ports in NAT themselves by being trusted in your network.
[07:08] <truepurple> magn3ts: I would rather use software then buy a another piece of hardware to claim room on my desk and on my surge protector
[07:08] <Rave1> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.toonpool.com/u
[07:09] <magn3ts> truepurple, that's fine... I'm telling you though, honestly. openning a port in your router is going to be point-and-clikc in 3 minutes... configuring a firewall in linux to open a port is going to require running a few commands and editting a file with a very specific format.
[07:09] <frybye> westz: assuming useing the import function in banshee to get content from a different drive - the content lands within the ubuntu environment - so it should not matter an iota if the drive (formally known as d:) is mounted or not - cos it will all be on /home now or?
[07:09] <magn3ts> truepurple, and if you want that network level protection... you can just use a software firewall.
[07:09] <truepurple> magn3ts: And how could a network attack do anything against a system immune to forced installation?
[07:10] <timh____> I'm trying to edit GRUB so I can install Linux distributions on other partitions.  Can't find menu.lst
[07:10] <westz> frybye, exactly what error are you getting, if any
[07:10] <NotTooDumb3> faina, did you get any idea about my login page?
[07:10] <envygeeks> network level firewalls are hardware, client level firewalls are software, yes
[07:10] <magn3ts> truepurple, that's cute, but again, I've never ever once said that linux is immune to attack or vulnerabilites that could allow system access.
[07:10] <westz> timh____, menu.lst was deprecated since grub2 i cant remember what the new one is though...
[07:10] <magn3ts> truepurple, but there are 4 different security layers I can think of that would protect against a network exploit leading to a full blown root access.
[07:10] <faina> NotTooDumb3, I couldn't connect directly to the site. its only being served up to systems they're connected to, I'm trying to google up some more useful instructions
[07:11] <frybye> westz: I now see that despite "import" yesterday - there is NO music at /~/music grrr...
[07:11] <magn3ts> truepurple, not to mention how unlikely the initial network exploit would be in the /first/ place.
[07:11] <westz> frybye, just for accuracy, you mean ~/music
[07:11] <envygeeks> timh___: Ubuntu uses grub2, you can probe for other os's in grub using update-grub if I remember right
[07:11] <timh____> westz->>thx maybe there's a wiki on GRUB2
[07:11] <frybye> westz: so I had better go and manually copy the data there - yes  ~/music
[07:11] <envygeeks> !grub2 | timh___
[07:11] <NotTooDumb3> faina, by your statements of describe the login page, what input are you expecting from me? can you help me out?
[07:12] <truepurple> magn3ts: You said nothing could be installed on linux that you don't want installed, but your saying someone actively trying remotely, even on a system not set up to accept remote access could bypass this? Even if they could never figure out my password in a million years?
[07:12] <westz> frybye, try to mount D: and see if it works then, firstly
[07:12] <faina> NotTooDumb3, http://veerasundar.com/blog/2010/06/how-to-make-reliance-netconnect-broadband-to-work-on-ubuntu-10-04/ might be helpful
[07:12] <frybye> is mounted...
[07:12] <timh____> thx all
[07:13] <westz> frybye, banshee's "import" doesnt move any files, it just adds their current paths to the library
[07:13] <westz> frybye, permission errors possibly?
[07:13] <magn3ts> truepurple, take it to PM, this is so far Offtopic it's not funny
[07:15] <bluemako> can someone pm me or something when they can help?
[07:15] <envygeeks> bluemako: what is your question?
[07:15] <bluemako> i can only start in failsafe graphics mode, how to make it work
[07:15] <NotTooDumb3> faina, mine is not a netconnect internet connection with USB for internet connection, i am using ethernet plug for internet connection, wil that link still is useful in my case?
[07:15] <westz> truepurple, dont you know the *NIX mantra? "where there's a shell there's a way" so yes, i'm sure it's possible. but i doubt anyone gives a shit about hacking you. it'd have to be targeted, they'd have to know how your system was set up, it's so unlikely, even if they had physical acces to your computer, that they'd be able to do it. stop whining.
[07:16] <bluemako> or alternatively, force it to boot always into safe graphics mode
[07:16] <Geoffrey2> how can I force ntp to manually update the system time?
[07:17] <Geoffrey2> in other words, make it do a check and sync....
[07:17] <robin0800> bluemako: try classic if your using 11.04
[07:17] <envygeeks> bluemako: if you uninstalled packages for x that are meant to recognise your graphics card that can happen.  Have you recently uninstalled any xorg packages?
[07:17] <NotTooDumb3> faina, that link looks like is not exactly a 1:1 match for my problem.mine is not a mobile broadband connection..any comments?
[07:17] <westz> yay, only 6 hours remaining to finish off a 300 mb torrent.
[07:17] <faina> Geoffrey2, look into ntpdate
[07:17] <envygeeks> !offtopic |westz
[07:18] <westz> alright, fair enough. just needed to vent a little sarcasm
[07:18] <bluemako> no, i didn't uninstall anything, how do i boot into classic because i can only startup with failsafe
[07:18] <Geoffrey2> faina, ntpdate keeps telling me the ntp socket is in use, and exiting
[07:18] <faina> NotTooDumb3, no.
[07:18] <magn3ts> What services have open connections in ubuntu out of the box?
[07:18] <bluemako> like is there something i can add in grub?
[07:18] <magn3ts> Like, will accept incoming connections?
[07:18] <faina> Geoffrey2 service ntp stop
[07:18] <faina> or maybe openntp
[07:18] <frybye> west.. trying some soloutions - back in a bit - btw enjoy your new challenges next week - including the specialness of working for a govt.
[07:19] <envygeeks> bluemako: not really because graphics are handed off to x when it starts up, have you tried to boot into single user root and start gdm and catch it's errors?
[07:19] <Geoffrey2> faina, ok, thanks......
[07:20] <Geoffrey2> faina, that took care of it...
[07:20] <faina> Geoffrey2, ok
[07:20] <bluemako> well i forget what errors i was getting
[07:20] <bluemako> can i just manually install the drivers when i'm in failsafe mode
[07:20] <NotTooDumb2> faina, when i connect ethernet plug to linux machine and give dmesg it says eth0: link up,
[07:20] <bluemako> will it be happy then?
[07:20] <faina> Btw, anyone know of a good disk repair / testing tool for a windows user whose booted off an ubuntu live cd?
[07:21] <robin0800> bluemako: can you get to the log on screen?
[07:21] <bluemako> only in failsafe mode
[07:21] <juancarlospaco> faina: thanks to you:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juancarlospaco/+junk/webapps/files
[07:21] <NotTooDumb2> can anyone help me to configure internet connection to 10.10 machine?
[07:21] <juancarlospaco> :D
[07:21] <faina> NotTooDumb2, you probably need to complete the registration process, then you need to find out if they're doing dhcp or PPPoE
[07:21] <bluemako> otherwise it won't even complete a boot regularly
[07:21] <faina> Juancarlospaco yay!
[07:22] <NotTooDumb2> faina, registration process of? and how can i check whether it is dhcp or pppoE connection?
[07:22] <envygeeks> bluemako: yes, you can try to use jockey to install proprietary drivers
[07:22] <faina> The web page you're using sounded like a registration page
[07:23] <envygeeks> !ati | bluemako
[07:23] <robin0800> bluemako you can hold the right shift at boot time to get a grub menu then use recovery mode
[07:23] <NotTooDumb2> connection works fine for windows machines and i have been using this connection from about a year, linux i just installed yesterday
[07:23] <juancarlospaco> :)
[07:23] <NotTooDumb2> in ubuntu machine, after i give login details it does not work, in windows machine it connects and works fine
[07:23] <bluemako> ah man, thanks both of you because i'm not familiar with this
[07:24] <faina> NotTooDumb2, do you know what the windows configuration is?
[07:24] <root> ada yang bisa bantu
[07:24] <faina> And what are you giving login details too?
[07:24] <NotTooDumb2> faina,  i can check now
[07:24] <Xunie> Weir,d when running # update-initramfs -uv I can clearly see that the last module being added is kernel/fs/udf/udf.ko, however, then it stops. What the hell?
[07:24] <Xunie> This broke my packages too. :(
[07:24] <Guest41888> perlu bantun
[07:24] <Platz> quit
[07:24] <NotTooDumb2> faina, i am sure of login details..just login id and password..configurations i can cross check with windows pc and configure, if i get to know exactly waht to  configure
[07:25] <robin0800> Xunie: you are using sudo?
[07:25] <frybye> westz: seems to be fixed - don't ask me how - re- reading the library was part of it but not all - I am 62yo and have only recently got the meds for approaching dement. on the govt. insur. scheme here in Germany - (am brit. airforce veter from a german/english family who used to do german/UK stuff at jhq
[07:25] <bluemako> robin, i went to the grub menu and used recovery mode "failsafe graphics mode" this is the only way it booted up. But i want to solve this.
[07:25] <Xunie> robin0800, sudo su, ofcourse.
[07:25] <frybye> westz: in my case left service more than 24yrs ago...
[07:25] <juancarlospaco> faina: it suppose that i make folders into /+junk if i dont want those files become sort of a proyect, right?
[07:26] <Xunie> robin0800, when executing sudo update-initramfs -uv, same thing happens.
[07:26] <frybye> e e e > 25years
[07:26] <Xunie> $ sudo update-initramfs -uv I mean.
[07:26] <frybye> westz: thanks for your input..
[07:26] <Xunie> robin0800, ideas?
[07:26] <Guest41888> helllo
[07:27] <faina> juancarlospaco, alas you're hitting the limits of my understanding of launchpad
[07:27] <juancarlospaco> ok
[07:27] <timh____> I want to install other Linux distros on other partitions.  Will grub-install find them and create a menu for me?
[07:27] <faina> I think +junk means scratch space... but that's about all I know
[07:27] <juancarlospaco> thankz
[07:27] <juancarlospaco> right, that project a Brainlesstorm actually faina
[07:27] <juancarlospaco> :P
[07:28] <russellsteapot> my second internal hard drive is not showing up. Here is a description http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1795604 thanks for the help
[07:28] <timh____> This is my only computer, and I don't want to be left with a computer that won't boot.
[07:28] <faina> NotTooDumb2 my hunch is you need to setup PPPoE
[07:28] <robin0800> Xunie: I guess there's something it dosen't like not sure how to find it does -vv work?
[07:29] <faina> russellsteapot, is the second disk partitioned?
[07:29] <Xunie> robin0800, tried -vvvv, didn't work. :(
[07:30] <russellsteapot> It's how the company I bought it from sent it to me. It would appear that way from the output though
[07:30] <madsailor> timh____, if you're concerned about borking your system, you should try other distros as a live cd/usb boot while keeping your disk unchanged
[07:32] <hexacode> anyone know an ubuntu utility to look up the ipaddress of every device in the same subnet as im in?
[07:32] <hexacode> like a scanner
[07:32] <dmfn> hexacode, nmap?
[07:33] <hexacode> i already use that
[07:33] <hexacode> was wondering if theres another one/?
[07:34] <russellsteapot> Any thoughts on getting the 2nd drive to show up?
[07:35] <faina> russellsteapot, you probably need to partition it and make a filesystem
[07:37] <gulzar> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
[07:37] <faina> Russellsteapot, you might want to install gparted
[07:37] <wslayer> why sudo dpkg-reconfigure is doing nothing? it just goes to a newline without giving results
[07:37] <Mike1> hexacode: unicornscan probably
[07:38] <russellsteapot> faina thanks, I'll look into it
[07:38] <Mike1> hexacode: or if you just want to ping whole subnets you could probably write yourself a small script with ping, though it probably would be slow
[07:38] <hexacode> thanks
[07:38] <hexacode> oh wait
[07:38] <hexacode> question about that too
[07:38] <faina> hexacode, ping does have -b (broadcast)
[07:39] <hexacode> i used ping -b <IP_ADDRESS>  , my broadcast address
[07:39] <hexacode> but nothing happened
[07:39] <faina> you might need to run as root
[07:39] <gulzar>  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary. What
[07:39] <hexacode> why doesnt it work?
[07:40] <hexacode> man ping
[07:40] <hexacode> oops
[07:41] <hexacode> lol
[07:42] <dmfn> hexacode, what are you trying to accomplish?
[07:43] <Mike1> ping -b <IP_ADDRESS> only pings my router (<IP_ADDRESS>) though my other computer is up and running too o.O
[07:44] <faina> I don't think all systems respond to the broadcast ping
[07:44] <faina> Also some systems like to block ICMP
[07:45] <dimas_> what is the command to remove a folder that is in my home folder with a lock sign?
[07:46] <dmfn> dimas_, rm -rf
[07:47] <SonorusNew> i was banned on ubuntu-ru, now i have other ip adress and other nickname but i still banned, why ??
[07:47] <faina> dimas_, also could try fixing the permissions? Available with right clicking on the folder icon
[07:47] <dimas_> dmfn that will remove everything with the name i am going to put?....cause there is the conpress package and the actual folder with some text pages too
[07:48] <dmfn> dimas_, Ah you said remove look at what faina said
[07:49] <dimas_> dmfn i cant as was created as root
[07:49] <ermi> hello
[07:49] <goofy_> siema
[07:49] <dmfn> dimas_, You can't sudo chown?
[07:49] <goofy_> co?
[07:49] <dimas_> whats that?
[07:50] <dmfn> dimas_, changes ownership which will get rid of the lock
[07:50] <goofy_> nie
[07:50] <dmfn> dimas_, check out man chown
[07:50] <ermi> tem br as
[07:52] <dimas_> dmfn that mean when i do shown then i can just use the mouse to delete stuff as root?
[07:53] <faina> dimas_ you should be able to. you might want to do "sudo chown -R <your user id> <directory name>"
[07:53] <dmfn> dimas_, chown allows you to give yourself permission to change the files
[07:53] <faina> after that the GUI should allow you to modify the directory
[07:53] <faina> -R makes it recursive, in case things inside that directory are also owned by root
[07:53] <dimas_> oke i give it a try
[07:54] <russellsteapot> When I click on an icon I would like it to minimize the window. How do I set this up? Thanks for your help.
[07:56] <faina> russellsteapot I'm not sure if that's been implemented for unity yet
[07:56] <g0kt> hio
[07:56] <dimas_> dmfn doesnt work so i do it in the terminal but i want to remove and purge?
[07:56] <Holo> does that teapot contain itself?
[07:57] <russellsteapot> faina thanks anyways
[07:57] <russellsteapot> Russell's Teapot, look it up
[07:57] <Holo> I know
[07:57] <Xunie> Well, os-prober is the cause of my headache! Why does thou hang os-prober?! WHYYY?!
[07:57] <faina> Tom's hardware review of ubuntu 11.04 had some unity tweaks... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-11.04-natty-narwhal,2943-11.html
[07:57] <Holo> Russell's Paradox, look it up
[07:57] <Xunie> Anyone know what lets os-prober hang?
[07:57] <dmfn> dimas_, Did you see faina comment
[07:57] <russellsteapot> haha, touche
[07:58] <Strav> He. I'm reading about stack smashing protector's patch for gcc as well as the position independent executable patch for the linker and it makes me wonder: is there package repository (on any package based distro), where I can be certain that everything has been compiled with those? (namely where each package has been compiled with "fortified" options)?
[07:59] <dimas_> dmfn yes but the system tell me now there is not soch of directory or folder
[08:01] <eloystebam> spanish??
[08:02] <faina> diams_ the currect directory of the shell is probably not the the directory in your nautilus window
[08:03] <faina> there should be a line above the folder list showing the path
[08:08] <bluebomber> Any C ninjas here?
[08:09] <juancarlospaco> i dont C anyone
[08:09] <Guest41888> has gone
[08:11] <faina> :)
[08:12] <Jordan_U> bluebomber: 1: Next time just ask your actual question. 2: Try the channel ##c.
[08:12] <bluebomber> 2 more appropriate than 1. Thanks, Jordan_U .
[08:13] <Jordan_U> bluebomber: You're welcome.
[08:15] <faina> Where's a good place to ask questions about python packaging policy?
[08:16] <Guest41888> evry 1 know about airdomp-ng start wlan0 why no work
[08:17] <Senjai> exit
[08:19] <gogeta1> bo
[08:19] <Senjai> So guys, coming from 10.10, there is this ugly sidebar on the side now, how can i make ubuntu look like it was before
[08:19] <Senjai> Should i install a theme or.. whatnot
[08:20] <freedom07> lol Senjai
[08:20] <faina> Senjai, I think there's a way to get "classic" from the login screen
[08:21] <gogeta1> Senjai: slect fallback from the session thats relly gnome 2 but after 11.04 your screwed gnome 3 or a diffrent distro. there is also a theme pack to make gnome 3 look like gnome 2
[08:21] <faina> Also maybe kde looks nice these days?
[08:21] <iHaildev> i would recommend on updating to 11.04 it is very nice
[08:21] <faina> ls
[08:22] <gogeta1> iHaildev: i say so to but not stock ubuntu xubuntu kubuntu etc
[08:22] <nikhilm> hi
[08:22] <freedom07> lubuntu is good
[08:22] <tensorpudding> Senjai: it's called unity
[08:22] <nikhilm> i am new to ubunu
[08:22] <tensorpudding> !unity | Senjai
[08:22] <nikhilm> ubuntu
[08:22] <nikhilm> can someone help
[08:22] <gogeta1> !ask
[08:22] <tensorpudding> !classic | Senjai
[08:22] <Senjai> Okay, thanks for the help
[08:22] <Senjai> Why did they change it
[08:22] <gogeta1> Senjai: couse they fail
[08:22] <Senjai> Obviously
[08:23] <tensorpudding> Senjai: because the new one is better
[08:23] <nikhilm> i recenty upgraded from 10.04 to 11.04 and i dont know where to find my files
[08:23] <Senjai> tensorpudding: it is?
[08:23] <tensorpudding> Senjai: yes
[08:23] <Senjai> tensorpudding: how?
[08:23] <gogeta1> Senjai: gnome has changed there ui cannel doesent like to so they made there own however after somne tweaks gnome 3 looks just as good as 2
[08:23] <Senjai> I dont like not being able to see each window on  task bar
[08:23] <nikhilm> can someone advise
[08:23] <nikhilm> ?
[08:23] <tensorpudding> Senjai: also gnome 2 is going the way of the dodo, to be replaced by gnome 3
[08:24] <Senjai> nikhilm, can you be more specific
[08:24] <tensorpudding> nikhilm: your files should be in the same place as before
[08:24] <gogeta1> Senjai: yea as he said but cannel doesent like it to they mad eunity however i have found gnome 3 to be quite good if you change the defult ui
[08:24] <tensorpudding> nikhilm: where were they before
[08:24] <nikhilm> they were on the desktop
[08:24] <tensorpudding> nikhilm: are they in the Desktop folder?
[08:24] <iHaildev> well i really havent done much upgrading on editions i usually have 4+ HDD and I just do a fresh install then transfer files over
[08:25] <nikhilm> i changed my login username for the new version
[08:25] <gogeta1> Senjai: best bet for the novice would be to switch to xubuntu the xfce based one in the futer
[08:25] <faina> nikhilm open the folder browser and look in the desktop folder, they're not going to show up on the desktop now
[08:25] <faina> then look in the old-user/Desktop
[08:25] <nikhilm> they are not there as well
[08:26] <nikhilm> how do i get there
[08:26] <nikhilm> >
[08:26] <nikhilm> ?
[08:26] <tensorpudding> Senjai: they replaced the old menus with a unified searchable, browseable menu that is easier to use and better looking
[08:26] <Senjai> gogeta1: xubuntu? Ive only ever used ubuntu
[08:26] <tensorpudding> Senjai: the hiding behavior can be configured
[08:26] <Senjai> tensorpudding: but linux isn't meant for thqat
[08:26] <tensorpudding> Senjai: you don't want your operating system to be easy to use?
[08:26] <gogeta1> Senjai: its ubuntu repackged to use the xfce window manger the layout is simler to classic gnome 2
[08:27] <iHaildev> nikhilm: hit the home on the launch bar and then got to file system and then usr check that file
[08:27] <pooky> That's such a weird statement "Linux isn't meant for that"
[08:27] <faina> Nikhilm, bring up folder viewer, hit the <| arrow on the 3rd line near your user name. a [home] button should appear. click on that, and you should see the various user directories
[08:27] <tensorpudding> Senjai: ubuntu doesn't claim to represent the aspirations of everyone who runs linux, it just wants to be easy to use, modern and free
[08:28] <gogeta1> Senjai: http://www.xubuntu.org/
[08:28] <tensorpudding> nikhilm: there's a big home menu button on the launcher, too, just hover your mouse on the left edge of the screen, and the launcher will pop up
[08:28] <tensorpudding> err, home folder
[08:29] <iHaildev> tensorpudding: and that is just what they did but it originally was created for the Schools in Africa
[08:29] <nikhilm> ok i have reached the usr folder
[08:29] <faina> Tensor, but he mentioned he changed his username.
[08:29] <gogeta1> Senjai: for now your fine being you can still use gnome 2 but next relese you whont be able to so its better to switch to something like that at that point
[08:29] <tensorpudding> how do you change your username?
[08:29] <iHaildev> brb gotta do a reset
[08:29] <tensorpudding> that requires you to add a new user
[08:29] <tensorpudding> you need to log in as the old one and move the files
[08:29] <nikhilm> i see many directories here
[08:30] <faina> "<nikhilm> i changed my login username for the new version"
[08:30] <nikhilm> yes?
[08:30] <faina> just quoting you for tensors benefit
[08:30] <nikhilm> ok
[08:30] <tensorpudding> that response doesn't make sense though
[08:31] <tensorpudding> did you delete the old user and create a new one? did you change the name of the user?
[08:31] <faina> I was thinking he created a new user for himself, and needs to navigate from /home/new-uid to /home/old-uid/desktop
[08:31] <gogeta1> nikhilm: cant find search?
[08:31] <tensorpudding> he's not going to be able to, because of permissions
[08:32] <faina> if its not a encrypted home directory, he might be able to at least read it?
[08:32] <nikhilm> yes
[08:32] <gogeta1> nikhilm: didnt they intergrate the search for both the net and local file to the top bar
[08:32] <tensorpudding>  /home/<user> is not readable by other users
[08:32] <tensorpudding> this is so you can actually have privacy on a multi-user machine
[08:33] <gogeta1> tensorpudding: if its stock ubuntu they can be viewed by other users
[08:33] <nikhilm> there is another folder with the previous username (one level above the home folder)
[08:33] <tensorpudding> i don't see why that would be
[08:33] <faina> I think its an option. Most of my systems allow reading other user dirs.
[08:33] <tensorpudding> the permissions are 700
[08:33] <nikhilm> it says that i cant mount it
[08:33] <eslam000> .
[08:33] <gogeta1> tensorpudding: i think view only cant do anything else
[08:34] <gogeta1> tensorpudding: so stuf like dearch works
[08:34] <tensorpudding> viewing the Desktop folder would require having execute permissions on the home directory
[08:34] <gogeta1> search
[08:34] <wslayer> what`s the ppa of natty?
[08:34] <wslayer> please
[08:34] <faina> natty doesn't need a ppa as its an official release...
[08:34] <nikhilm> THIS DIRECTORY HAS BEEN UNMOUNTED TO PROTECT YOUR DATA.
[08:34] <nikhilm> From the graphical desktop, click on:
[08:34] <nikhilm>  "Access Your Private Data"
[08:34] <nikhilm> or
[08:34] <nikhilm> From the command line, run:
[08:34] <FloodBot1> nikhilm: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:35] <faina> Your other directory was encrypted, you 'll need to log in as that user to view the fieles
[08:35] <tensorpudding> oh, you did home directory encryption
[08:35] <nikhilm> yes
[08:35] <gogeta1> nikhilm: lol dont do that use pastbin
[08:35] <tensorpudding> you definitely can't touch it as your new user
[08:35] <nikhilm> i am sorry guys
[08:35] <nikhilm> i am also unable to login using a previous version
[08:36] <gogeta1> tensorpudding: he can but he needs to add the keys to his new account
[08:36] <eslam000> me too
[08:36] <nikhilm> gogetal: tell me how
[08:36] <tensorpudding> nikhilm: what's the error
[08:36] <gogeta1> nikhilm: just login as the old user if you lost the password you can reset it as sudo
[08:36] <wslayer> faina: i need a package i`m not finding in the official repo
[08:37] <nikhilm> it says untrusted application launcher
[08:37] <wslayer> faina: it`s nvidia-current-modaliases
[08:37] <nikhilm> and i think u guys are right in deducing that i encrypted my home directory
[08:37] <tensorpudding> wslayer: you should figure out if it's packaged somewhere
[08:37] <gogeta1> nikhilm: so ligin as the user that its ment for
[08:37] <nikhilm> ok
[08:38] <tensorpudding> wslayer: there are ppas which have some packages
[08:38] <nikhilm> thanks
[08:38] <JohnTeddy> I have a video m4v I took with my phone. I want to rotate it 90 degrees, make it not 120 megs (since it's only 2 minutes), say less than 30 megs.. and add a background audio... What is a simple app that can do this?
[08:38] <nikhilm> Thank you all
[08:38] <faina> wslayer, it looks like nvidia-current-modaliases isn't in 11.04
[08:38] <eslam000> .
[08:39] <faina> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia-current-modaliases
[08:39] <tensorpudding> JohnTeddy: what's the original resolution
[08:39] <faina> it was in lucid & maverick
[08:40] <JohnTeddy> tensorpudding: I don't know, whatever the phone has by defualt.
[08:40] <tensorpudding> widescreen video will probably not be amenable to rotating
[08:40] <tensorpudding> it'll stretch and distort
[08:41] <cordoval_> i am on ubuntu, my harddisk is not booting, I started again with a liveCD, how to check for hard disk and repair?
[08:41] <tensorpudding> unless it's letterboxed or something
[08:41] <tensorpudding> there's a few video editors
[08:41] <JohnTeddy> The phone is an HTC Desire HD
[08:41] <eslam000> -o
[08:42] <eslam000> 064706270649
[08:42] <cordoval_> i am on ubuntu, my harddisk is not booting, I started again with a liveCD, how to check for hard disk and repair? I remember a command but not sure fsck ?
[08:42] <faina> cordoval_, look at places menu to see if the live cd detected it, also try gparted to see if theres a drive with a partition table
[08:43] <cordoval_> places says ther e is a 742GB drive
[08:43] <cordoval_> so it is there faina I can see the information inside
[08:44] <faina> I think the live cd has a recover mode? I don't remember.
[08:44] <cordoval_> but how to fix it so that it can boot? hmm any command? gparted ?
[08:44] <cordoval_> this is an old 11.04 disk I think and it is 64 bit
[08:44] <cordoval_> hmm wonder if i can do it from the terminal now, from the live cd
[08:44] <faina> usually not being able to boot is something going wrong with grub
[08:45] <tensorpudding> JohnTeddy: judging from software center reviews and online, avidemux might be a good one
[08:45] <cordoval_> right, I select on grub the top ubuntu selection and then the locks light just turns on and off
[08:45] <faina> My sleep-deprived brain is remembering chroot /mount/point, & update-grub,
[08:45] <faina> you should look up syntax though
[08:47] <dmfn> 11.04 is a pain to recover grub because it uses grub2
[08:47] <cordoval_> that is to mount the disk but disk is already mounted
[08:47] <cordoval_> how to make sure grub is the problem?
[08:48] <faina> good question.
[08:49] <JohnTeddy> tensorpudding: It was widescreen.
[08:49] <faina> I remember in the past being able to boot from an installer cd and say actually boot from the hard disk
[08:49] <JohnTeddy> I just retook the video now.
[08:50] <cordoval_> hmmm
[08:51] <cordoval_> I am at least trying to save my files, so it seems it is more corruption of grup or some sectors but it can be fixed right?
[08:51] <cordoval_> else my disk is trash
[08:51] <wslayer> faina: what ubuntu version are you running?
[08:53] <wslayer> anyone running 11.04?
[08:53] <cordoval_> yes me
[08:53] <cordoval_> in both of my laptops
[08:53] <cordoval_> trying to recover one of them though
[08:53] <cordoval_> I am on the live cd and want to transfer files to my other laptop directly
[08:53] <cordoval_> have a hard disk external but not responding because of damages too
[08:53] <cordoval_> how to do it?
[08:54] <cordoval_> transfer some files from hard disk inside my laptop to my other good laptop
[08:55] <faina> wslayer, 11.04
[08:55] <faina> and 10.04 at work
[08:55] <wslayer> faina: uname -a says your kernel is generic?
[08:56] <faina> wslayer, yes " 2.6.38-8-generic "
[08:56] <wslayer> faina: hm...
[08:56] <faina> usually its generic or server
[08:56] <cordoval_> what does generic means?
[08:56] <cordoval_> what other options there are?
[08:56] <wslayer> faina: is your graphics card working fine?
[08:57] <faina> cordoval_ if you can't mount the broken disk, recovery will be much harder
[08:57] <faina> wslayer, yes although I'm using an intel card
[08:57] <cordoval_> faina: I already told you it mounted itself
[08:57] <cordoval_> it is working in that sense ok
[08:57] <wslayer> faina: it`s onboard?
[08:57] <cordoval_> however I am not sure how to transfer data
[08:57] <Senjai> Ubuntu wont use a second monitor connected via DVA, it detects it as unknown, but when i enable it i get an error message in the pop up area (like your volume control) that is cutoff and i cant read it
[08:57] <faina> cordoval_, I'm getting really tired and am not remembering stuff well
[08:57] <Senjai> Anyone have ideas
[08:57] <faina> wslayer, yes, laptop integrated chipset
[08:58] <Senjai> Connected VGA*
[08:58] <faina> wslayer, not sure about the current status of the nvidia/ati stuff
[08:58] <rusty149> cordoval_: Hi, what is your question?
[08:58] <cordoval_> hi rusty149
[08:58] <cordoval_> question is trying to recover a hard disk that will not boot but that it mounts ok on a live cd
[08:59] <cordoval_> on when I run off the live cd it shows it
[08:59] <cordoval_> and it auto mounts
[09:00] <rusty149> cordoval: OK, what do you see in attempt to boot from hard disk
[09:00] <faina> senjai, try looking for more monitor options in the system settings.
[09:00] <cordoval> well after the grub window which gives the ubuntu options I select any of them and it just says either nothing for normal or some error regarding the disk can't boot
[09:01] <cordoval> do you want the exact error?
[09:01] <cordoval> rusty149: but when I try the live cd i can see contents on the disk
[09:01] <rusty149> cordoval: Yes please
[09:01] <cordoval> ok will reboot now
[09:02] <gh00st> s
[09:02] <santhosh_> Hi can any one tel me the comand to give read right permission to disk
[09:02] <santhosh_> I am unable to save any ocument in the Hard disk
[09:02] <cordoval> rusty149:
[09:03] <cordoval> vfs: cannot open root device "UUID=.....
[09:03] <cordoval> or unknown block()0,0
[09:03] <alex421> hello, is anyone here aware of torrenting using an ipv6 ip address ? i have both, but i only appear as ipv4 as a seed. i'm wondering how can i set myself seeding as ipv6 on ubuntu.
[09:03] <cordoval> please aappend a correct "root=" boot option
[09:03] <cordoval> here are the available partitions
[09:03] <mecheese> hi
[09:04] <cordoval> kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown -block(0,0)
[09:04] <cordoval> Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.38-8 generic #42 ubuntu
[09:04] <cordoval> Call Trace:
[09:04] <cordoval> .....? panic+0x91/0x19c
[09:04] <cordoval> printtk+...
[09:04] <cordoval> mount block root
[09:04] <faina> cordoval the problem is the disk with your filesystem got renamed
[09:05] <rww> !pastebin | cordoval
[09:05] <cordoval> faina: !! the disk with my filesystem got renamed? what can I do rusty149
[09:05] <faina> cordoval, look at /dev/disk/by-uuid for the new uuid pointing at the disk you want to boot
[09:05] <cordoval> from the live cd right?
[09:05] <faina> yeah
[09:05] <cordoval> ok rebooting now
[09:06] <faina> well i should say the uuid doesn't match whats in your grub config
[09:06] <rww> !uuid
[09:06] <faina> is there a place that lists all those neat ! commands?
[09:07] <mecheese> my monitor says "signal out of range" how do I fix that?
[09:07] <dirtydawg> move it closer
[09:07] <rww> faina: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <faina> mecheese,  another useless answer, get a bigger monitor.
[09:07] <faina> mecheese, more usefully you need to lower the default resolution
[09:08] <faina> At least that's what I remember back when I used crt displays that gave me that error
[09:08] <cordoval> I wonder why my disk fs got renamed?
[09:08] <mecheese> dirtydawg faina: very funny
[09:08] <cordoval> is there something I did?
[09:08] <cordoval> It was working for days and then turned off to sleep then come back and bang
[09:08] <faina> cordoval, no idea at this point
[09:09] <cordoval> faina: but you are sure is that problem right?
[09:09] <cordoval> so there is a known solution
[09:09] <rusty149> cordoval: You should be able toremove the root=/dev/xxxx parameter on the grub config
[09:09] <mecheese> faina: I have an lcd. it's fairly large and high resolution. It's just not being detected and set up for my nvidia drivers.
[09:09] <cordoval> rusty149: from where or how?
[09:09] <cordoval> rusty149: booting now from the cd live disk
[09:09] <faina> well the error message you gave "UUID= not found" really strongly implies that the uuid listed in your kernel config line doesn't match one of the ones on your system
[09:10] <faina> mecheese, ok. you can muck with the current settings using xrandr
[09:10] <mecheese> faina is that in the terminal?
[09:10] <faina> yes
[09:11] <faina> if you need to log in from another system you might need to do DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
[09:11] <faina> to force xrandr to use the local X server
[09:11] <cordoval> live cd got stuck on clicking on try ubuntu button, should I wait or restart and try again?
[09:12] <mecheese> faina: will that work through the live cd to fix an install on hard disk?
[09:12] <NotTooDumb3> hi all  can anyone help me with my internet connection problem?
[09:12] <faina> Mecheese, no, xrandr's changes will be lost on reboot
[09:13] <wildbat> !anyone | NotTooDumb3
[09:13] <NotTooDumb3> ifup eth0 says eth0 already configured but ping google.com does not work..ping <IP_ADDRESS> pings fine..any help?
[09:14] <mecheese> faina: darn. do you know any settings that will fix x? my xorg.conf is empty of settings.
[09:14] <faina> cordoval, not sure... I'd wait a 30sec to 1min and reboot
[09:14] <rusty149> cordoval: Simplest solution, try sudo grub-mkconfig or sudo update-grub2
[09:14] <wildbat> NotTooDumb3:  Ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:14] <faina> mecheese, yeah, they switched to auto-detecting everythign
[09:14] <cordoval> rusty149: thanks man a lot, yes that will be my first try after this boots
[09:15] <faina> you still can put specifics in the x config if you need to
[09:15] <NotTooDumb3> wildbat, what is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:15] <rww> NotTooDumb3: Google's public DNS server
[09:15] <NotTooDumb3> ok..
[09:16] <Kolt> Hi! Has anybody run ubuntu on a sony vaio?
[09:16] <faina> Kolt, A really really long time ago.
[09:16] <mecheese> faina: it's funny. my monitor worked better with version 10.04. now 11.04 is not doing so good with it.
[09:16] <stephenh> hi, does anyone know how i can go about enabling javascript support in elinks?
[09:17] <Kolt> faina: Did you experience any problems?
[09:17] <michaelxq> how do i change login picture?
[09:17] <stephenh> i could recompile from source i guess, but are there packages out there to do it for me?
[09:17] <cordoval> rusty149: where are you from?
[09:17] <faina> Kolt, this was long enough ago that its not relavant to anything you own.
[09:17] <faina> (think 2001ish laptop)
[09:18] <cordoval> I have a friend named rusty too
[09:18] <Kolt> faina: Thank you anyway.
[09:18] <faina> mecheese, maybe boot into 10.04 and grab the x config? and see if you can merge some of its settings into 11.04?
[09:18] <rusty149> cordoval: England
[09:19] <faina> Kolt, there's a laptop testing page somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[09:19] <cordoval> will try now sudo update-grub2
[09:19] <cordoval> the other did not work
[09:19] <NotTooDumb2> wildbat, <IP_ADDRESS> does not ping for me..any thoughts?
[09:19] <Kolt> faina: Ty. I'll look for it
[09:19] <cordoval> usrb/sbin/grup-probe: error: cannot stat 'aufs'
[09:19] <cordoval> rusty149: should I try the update command or work out this error?
[09:19] <faina> NotTooDumb2, if you do ifconfig eth0 does it have an IP address?
[09:20] <michaelxq> how do i change login picture?
[09:20] <mecheese> faina: that's an idea. I'm gonna try that now and see what kind of magic happens.
[09:20] <cordoval> sudo grub-mkconfig or sudo update-grub2
[09:20] <faina> I think by default ubuntu wants to do dhcp to assign an address, and you have to do something else to get PPPoE to work.
[09:20] <wildbat> NotTooDumb, can you ping your router?~ can you pastebin "ifconfig; tracepath -n <IP_ADDRESS>;"
[09:20] <cordoval> both give the same error
[09:20] <rusty149> cordoval: I would just run the update first or reinstall grub from the live cd. Should be a catch all for any changes.
[09:21] <cordoval> rusty149: I did run both commands but I get /usr/bin/grup-probe: error: cannot stat 'aufs'
[09:22] <vayavya_> faina, eth0 does give some output like inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS> Bcast: Mask:
[09:22] <vayavya_> i don't think it's giving ip address as such..what should i do?
[09:23] <VolodymyrB> Hi, I install google chrome, and how to run it?
[09:23] <faina> vayavya_ next, ip route
[09:23] <faina> can you ping your default route?
[09:23] <vayavya_> ip route? i do not what is my default route
[09:23] <faina> ip route is a config to type into the terminal
[09:23] <faina> er command
[09:23] <KoR66> ciao
[09:24] <vayavya_> faina, i could not completely follow infact sorry..what am i supposed to run?
[09:24] <vayavya_> ok 1 sec
[09:24] <vayavya_> i will comeback with ouptut
[09:24] <MoleMan> is there a command that will show me the same data as is displayed when I log onto ubuntu server? I know uptime will show me load etc, is there anything to show memory?
[09:26] <faina> MoleMan, cat /proc/meminfo? top?
[09:26] <NotTooDumb3> faina, ip route output is: <IP_ADDRESS>/22 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src <IP_ADDRESS> metric 1
[09:26] <NotTooDumb3> <IP_ADDRESS>./16 dev eth0 scope link metric 1000
[09:26] <cordoval> rusty149:  it seems like usr/sbin/grub-probe:%20error:%20cannot%20stat%20'aufs'
[09:26] <MoleMan> faina, thanks, that will do :)
[09:26] <cordoval> it is a bug
[09:27] <cordoval> tryng to google but nothing
[09:27] <NotTooDumb3> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 proto static
[09:27] <michaelxq> how do i change login picture?
[09:27] <NotTooDumb3> faina, those 3 lines are the output of ip route
[09:27] <faina> NotTooDumb3, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:27] <cordoval> rusty149: I guess it says I need to chroot
[09:27] <NotTooDumb3> i will check
[09:27] <cordoval> I have done it once before but don't remember how to chroot
[09:28] <cordoval> anyone can refresh my memory please
[09:28] <faina> cordoval chroot /dir/name
[09:28] <rusty149> cordoval: Try reinstalling grub, mount the partition then, sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/path/to/mounted/partition /dev/sda
[09:28] <Raytoday> is this a repository https://launchpad.net/~philip/+archive/extra ? How to format the line correctly to add it repositories list
[09:28] <rusty149> cordoval: You don't need to chroot
[09:28] <cordoval> oh ok
[09:28] <cordoval> rusty149: will try your command above
[09:28] <magn3ts> faina, I just got done talking with him
[09:28] <NotTooDumb2> faina, yes i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:28] <magn3ts> faina, I think I'm a sucker.
[09:29] <faina> magn3ts? wait you're still around?
[09:29] <faina> wow
[09:29] <faina> that was a long time in a PM
[09:29] <rusty149> cordoval: yes that is 2 dashes before boot-directory
[09:30] <faina> NotTooDumb2 next try traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:30] <rww> Raytoday: That address doesn't point to anything. As far as I can tell, user ~philip has no PPA.
[09:30] <faina> or maybe traceroute6 <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:30] <rusty149> cordoval: And of coarse if the hard disk is not on sda then change that bit
[09:31] <cordoval> oh no
[09:31] <cordoval> just ran the command
[09:31] <cordoval> I did
[09:31] <faina> NotTooDumb, actually the command is "tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:31] <magn3ts> faina, yeah.
[09:31] <faina> (the ip is a random, google.com address)
[09:31] <vayavya_> faina, traceroute is not installed in my os and right now can't get internet to install it..what can i do?
[09:31] <cordoval> rusty149: sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/media/8... /dev/sda
[09:32] <rww> Raytoday: (I don't do support in PM.) Perhaps you mean https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra ?
[09:32] <cordoval> Installation finished. No error reported.
[09:32] <cordoval> rusty149: now just reboot and try if it works?
[09:32] <rww> Raytoday: if so, that page has instructions for adding it to your software sources.
[09:32] <rusty149> cordoval: Run sudo update-grub2 then reboot
[09:32] <faina> magn3ts, he tried PMing me a bit, but after he tried to get me to re-assure him that running a windows cracking program was safe I said. "1) no to illegal stuff, and 2) you can never be sure that cracks are safe"
[09:32] <faina> and then left
[09:33] <cordoval> I have sda sda1 sda2 sda5 sbd sbd1 sdc
[09:33] <cordoval> rusty149: oh ok
[09:33] <cordoval> will do that now
[09:33] <ehsan> hello every one
[09:33] <faina> vayavya I didn't remember the command, I tested with tracepath on my recently isntalled 11.04 system
[09:33] <vayavya_> faina, any suggestions for me?
[09:33] <ehsan> I have encountered a problem in kile
[09:33] <ehsan> Latex editor
[09:33] <vayavya_> yep tracepath seem to be installed in my system too
[09:33] <ehsan> there is maybe some configuration problems in setting
[09:33] <mecheese> faina hi again. i can't fix my monitor because ther's no xorg.conf file
[09:34] <ehsan> actually I am new to kile in ubuntu 10...
[09:34] <ehsan> version
[09:34] <ehsan> I have another host
[09:34] <faina> mecheese, I'm stumped
[09:34] <cordoval> rusty149: if I run the command sudo update-grub I get the /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: ...cannot stat 0aufs0
[09:34] <ehsan> which I can run it with about any problem
[09:34] <ehsan> any one can help me plz
[09:34] <cordoval> I guess I have to chroot in order to do the update-grub
[09:35] <cordoval> unless the update-grub also take another directory parameter on the cli
[09:35] <cordoval> would it?
[09:35] <cordoval> it will not take the argument
[09:35] <mecheese> faina: i have read that the x configurations are in the server now. that's a problem. no easy way to reconfigure.
[09:35] <cordoval> so I guess I do have to chroot
[09:35] <cordoval> now trying to see the logs here on how it was
[09:36] <rusty149> cordoval: No, that is what the --boot-directory is for
[09:36] <mecheese> faina: it's the nvidia drivers. before I installed that my monitor worked fine.
[09:36] <rusty149> cordoval: What version of grub are you running, sudo grub-install -v
[09:36] <faina> mecheese, ah ok. there is a nvidia config tool?
[09:36] <cordoval> rusty149: 1.99-rc1-13ubuntu3
[09:37] <cordoval> rusty149: I tried --help and did not see the option
[09:37] <faina> mecheese I'd search for  nvidia on the ubuntu wiki.
[09:37] <faina> Also I need to sleep, good night and good luck
[09:37] <cordoval> but so I will try not the --boot-directory option anyways
[09:38] <mecheese> faina: but how would I get to it if I can't see it in my monitor?
[09:38] <cordoval> rusty149: no just tried, it would not take --boot-directory=/media/..
[09:39] <cordoval> now I guess i have to chroot
[09:39] <cordoval> and run the update-grub2
[09:39] <cordoval> rusty149: right?
[09:39] <rusty149> cordoval: You are losing me. What do you mean it would not take --boot-directory
[09:40] <cordoval> rusty149: that when I run the command sudo update-grub2 --boot-directory=/media/8....9 that it will fail
[09:40] <JDuke128> hi , what is fade in and fade out ? fade in comes from 0 to 100 opacity ?
[09:41] <rusty149> cordoval: You don't need it for that. Have you tried rebooting yet?
[09:41] <cordoval> rusty149: no
[09:41] <cordoval> i guess i will try
[09:41] <cordoval> sorry
[09:42] <cordoval> rusty149: rebooting now...
[09:42] <NotTooDumb3> faina, i gave tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:42] <rusty149> cordoval: If I don't respond I am looking into the aufs error
[09:42] <cordoval> rusty149: ok thanks a lot man, I really appreciate it
[09:42] <cordoval> oh
[09:42] <cordoval> wait now I get a grub window
[09:42] <cordoval> it says GNU GRUB version 1.99...
[09:42] <NotTooDumb3> it seem to be working, it gives 1. username-Lenovo-G460    0.169ms pmtu 1400
[09:42] <cordoval> Minimal bash-like line editing is supported
[09:43] <NotTooDumb3> 2. <IP_ADDRESS> 135.821ms
[09:43] <wildbat> !pb|NotTooDumb3
[09:43] <cordoval> rusty149: what do I type on this window?
[09:43] <cordoval> I am stuck
[09:43] <mecheese> NotTooDumb3 faina has signed out
[09:44] <NotTooDumb3> 3. <IP_ADDRESS> 136.656ms and no reply continues...does this give us any clue?
[09:44] <cordoval> rusty149: the commands are so long
[09:44] <rusty149> cordoval: Are you at a grub command line?
[09:44] <cordoval> rusty149: yes
[09:44] <NotTooDumb3> mecheese, can you help me in getting internet working on ubuntu?
[09:44] <cordoval> after rebooting
[09:44] <cordoval> rusty149: do you want me to type the commands so that you can see?
[09:44] <cordoval> there is a hello command
[09:45] <cordoval> and another one is cpuid
[09:45] <cordoval> oh there is one called boot
[09:45] <cordoval> but wonder which one should I try and with which arguments
[09:45] <cordoval> rusty149: there is also a command continue
[09:46] <rusty149> try boot
[09:46] <cordoval> hmm, hard to come up with the meaning of these
[09:46] <cordoval> ok
[09:46] <cordoval> rusty149:  it says error: no loaded kernel.
[09:46] <NotTooDumb3> any help for getting internet working on linux, ubuntu10.10? it works on windows
[09:46] <cordoval> there is echo, dump, date, cutmem, crc, cat, clear, break, blocklist
[09:46] <mecheese> NotTooDumb: I don't think so. mine has always worked right off. I've never had to fix it. there should be an icon in the upper right of the screen somewhere that you can click and choose autoeth0 to connect.
[09:47] <rusty149> set root(hd0,1)
[09:47] <rusty149> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro
[09:47] <rusty149> initrd /initrd.img
[09:47] <mecheese> NotTooDumb3: if that doesn't work you problem might be a little too much for me.
[09:47] <rusty149> boot
[09:47] <cordoval> rusty149: set root(hd0,1) gave error: not an assignment
[09:48] <cordoval> maybe list blocks?
[09:48] <xharx> how can i edit menu entries in xubuntu
[09:48] <mecheese> NotTooDumb3 clicking on aut0 should just find the right parameters for internet automatically
[09:49] <Mike1> well, maybe NotTooDumb3 is directly connected to a modem, thus has to set up PPP connection etc.
[09:49] <wildbat> NotTooDumb3: looks more like you have a router issue as the router did route the packet out or firewalled you.
[09:49] <Mike1> mecheese: only if he has a router which does all the authorization stuff
[09:49] <Mike1> maybe he’s only missing the correct DNS …
[09:49] <Mike1> weee neeed moar informatiunz
[09:50] <mecheese> Mike1: ah. I wasn't here for his explaination of his problem
[09:50] <cordoval> rusty149:  set root(hd0,1) --> did not work
[09:50] <Mike1> me neither
[09:50] <cordoval> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro 03:47:22 AM
[09:50] <cordoval> initrd /initrd.img
[09:50] <cordoval> I think it is not root but boot
[09:50] <mecheese> Mike1: i did have a problem like that back with 8.04 ubuntu
[09:51] <cordoval> rusty149:  set boot(hd0,1)
[09:51] <cordoval> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro 03:47:22 AM
[09:51] <cordoval> initrd /initrd.img
[09:51] <cordoval> should I try?
[09:51] <FloodBot1> cordoval: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:51] <cordoval> rusty149: same error with boot
[09:51] <Mike1> mecheese: looks like his connection is going crazy :D
[09:51] <cordoval> hmm
[09:51] <cordoval> which url are you looking at rusty149 so I can follow too?
[09:52] <Gryllida> Oh my.   You male or female today?
[09:53] <rusty149> cordoval: Try linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro
[09:53] <rusty149>  initrd /initrd.img
[09:53] <rusty149> boot
[09:53] <JDuke128> hi , what is fade in and fade out ? fade in comes from 0 to 100 opacity ?
[09:53] <mecheese> my monitor is screwed up. ubuntu 11.04
[09:53] <cordoval> set root(hd0,1) --> did not work
[09:53] <cordoval> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro 03:47:22 AM --> did work
[09:53] <cordoval> initrd /initrd.img --> did work
[09:53] <cordoval> rebooting now rusty149
[09:53] <FloodBot1> cordoval: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:53] <Mike1> JDuke128: I’ve heard those terms for audio too
[09:53] <JDuke128> ok so whats fade in and fade out ?
[09:54] <cordoval> rusty149: again back to the GRUB console CLI
[09:54] <cordoval> should I give continue?
[09:54] <rusty149> try boot first
[09:54] <cordoval> I did, it said no kernel loaded
[09:54] <mecheese> how does one stop "signal out of range" for a monitor
[09:54] <mecheese> so I can see something with it
[09:55] <cordoval> since I am in grub now I guess this does mean that disk is working right? we just need to find a way to set the grub properly
[09:55] <WillPittenger> How do I set the password for the root account?  su doesn't work as I don't know the password.  Just pressing enter as the password prompt didn't work.
[09:55] <mecheese> the config is in the kernel. I know that. what can be done?
[09:55] <Mike1> JDuke128: I’d say fade in is from nothing to full
[09:55] <rusty149> Yes, you need to boot into it then run update-grub2
[09:56] <Mike1> JDuke128: and fade out is from full to nothing
[09:56] <cordoval> rusty149: I need to boot into ubuntu but it is not letting me in
[09:57] <cordoval> hmm, wonder what command to type in the GRUB CLI or why the set root(hd01,0) is not working
[09:58] <cordoval> set root(hd0,1) --> did not work error: not an assignment
[09:58] <cordoval> hmm
[09:58] <wildbat> cordoval: grub1.99? you need to set root=(hd0,msdos1)
[09:58] <cordoval> oh
[09:58] <wildbat> cordoval: try tab in bash
[09:58] <mecheese> my monitor is sad. won't you help it?
[09:58] <wildbat> cordoval: in the grub> i mean ;p
[09:58] <cordoval> wildbat: yes it gives me the commands
[09:58] <cordoval> wildbat: yes I will now run you set command
[09:59] <cordoval> rusty149: the wildbat command now worked
[10:00] <rusty149> cordoval: If that set doesn't work an alternative is, root hd0 1
[10:00] <rusty149> cordoval: OK
[10:00] <cordoval> now i guess need to run the other two commands
[10:00] <cordoval> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro 03:47:22 AM --> did work
[10:00] <rusty149> cordoval: Yes linux and initrd command then boot
[10:00] <cordoval> initrd /initrd.img --> did work
[10:00] <mecheese> I'm not the smartest ubuntu user in the world. I need to figure out how to fix my nvidia settings so I can see something in my monitor.
[10:01] <cordoval> ok rebooting ...
[10:01] <cordoval> back to the CLI gRUP
[10:01] <cordoval> GRUB
[10:01] <cordoval> boot I guess?
[10:01] <cordoval> gah no, it gives same error
[10:01] <cordoval> error: no loaded kernel
[10:02] <wildbat> mecheese: idk ~ my nvidia works just fine ~ may be reinstall the nvidia
[10:02] <cordoval> wildbat: it did not work, rusty149: :'( come on we can do this guys
[10:03] <mecheese> wildbat: I can't see any graphics in my screen.
[10:03] <cordoval> rusty149: the alternative you said
[10:03] <dr_willis> mecheese:  does the gdm login screen work? what do you see exactly on the screen?
[10:03] <rusty149> cordoval: root hd0 1
[10:03] <cordoval> was issueing "root hd0 1"
[10:03] <cordoval> oh ok
[10:03] <cordoval> just like that
[10:03] <cordoval> or set root hd0 1
[10:03] <mecheese> dr_willis: i see "signal is out of range"
[10:03] <rusty149> cordoval: no just, root hd0 1
[10:04] <cordoval> rusty149: unknown command
[10:04] <dr_willis> mecheese:  thats due i think to the GRUB menu defaulting to a range that the monitor cant display.   does the system wait for a bit.. then start to boot up?
[10:05] <cordoval> hmm, what else I can try?
[10:05] <cordoval> on GRUB CLI now
[10:05] <wildbat> cordoval: shouldn't you load kernel in /boot?
[10:05] <mecheese> dr_willis: I have a large lcd monitor with a very high resolution. the system boots right away. I hear boot sounds.
[10:05] <cordoval> wildbat: how to do that?
[10:06] <dr_willis> mecheese:  so its a grub using some mode the monitor dose not like issue. You can tweak the settings for that in /etc/default/grub
[10:06] <dr_willis> mecheese:  ive had to uncomment the following line --->  GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
[10:06] <mecheese> dr_willis: i'll try that
[10:06] <dr_willis> mecheese:  that gave it a rather simple text grub menu
[10:07] <dr_willis> mecheese:  and  GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[10:07] <cordoval> wildbat: do you mean set boot(hd1,0)
[10:07] <cordoval> ?
[10:07] <rusty149> cordoval: linux  (hd0,1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1
[10:07] <wildbat> cordoval: linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.xxxxxx-generic root=/dev/sda1 ro single
[10:07] <wildbat> where xxxxxx is the kernel version you can use <tab> you find the file after you set root=(hd0, msdos1)
[10:10] <Gerda> am i on finally
[10:10] <mecheese> dr_willis: how do I use grub to make graphics for x to work?
[10:13] <mecheese> dr_willis: how do I use grub?
[10:13] <mecheese> and also. is your first name bruce?
[10:15] <WillPittenger> I am thinking of getting rid of Unity.  It seems to be nothing more than a poorly thought out clone of the Mac desktop.  But when I logged into Ubuntu Classic, I don't see any panels.  Where are they?  How do I get them back?
[10:15] <MoleMan> quick refresher please: command to create symlink?
[10:16] <solid_liq> MoleMan, ln -s
[10:16] <mecheese> grub how do use?
[10:16] <MoleMan> thanks
[10:17] <solid_liq> MoleMan, don't dcc me!
[10:17] <MoleMan> sorry, hit wrong button
[10:17] <MoleMan> i cancelled it...
[10:18] <mecheese> the gods of linux are laughing at my ignorance
[10:18] <markskilbeck> Hi, all. I have ubuntu server on a VPS, version 8.04. I'm trying to update to a newer version. I believe I'm supposed to use apt-get dist-upgrade, however it doesn't do anything. Any ideas?
[10:19] <dr_willis> mecheese:  grub basically has nothing to do with X graphcs.
[10:19] <dr_willis> mecheese:  other then its job to pass options to the system at boot time.
[10:20] <mecheese> dr_willis: it's the x graphics I need though.
[10:20] <dr_willis> mecheese:  you had no grub menu. due to it being 'out of range'  do you now see a grub menu when you boot?
[10:20] <minimec> mecheese: Grub can be a tricky thing... Don't mess around with it, if you don't know what you do. For a graphical boot process (framebuffer) yiu can try to activate (-#) the line GRUB_GFXMODE=XY in /etc/default/grub... But this has nothing to do with a graphical user interface.
[10:20] <astraljava> markskilbeck: Does 8.04 already have `do-release-upgrade`? If not, you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list to a newer release, then do `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[10:21] <markskilbeck> astraljava: thanks. I'll take a look.
[10:21] <mecheese> minimec: my graphics worked in classic mode. when I switched to regular and had nvidia drivers installed that's when it messed up.
[10:21] <dr_willis> mecheese:  heres my default /etc/default/grub that gives a rather basic (and always seems to work reguardless of the monitor) grub menu screen --> $ pastebinit /etc/default/grub
[10:21] <dr_willis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/637424/
[10:22] <dr_willis> mecheese:  so you do or do NOT have a grub menu then? does the GDM login screen work?
[10:23] <mecheese> dr_willis: don't know. I'm talking on chat and haven't rebooted.
[10:23] <minimec> mecheese: So you rather have a nVidia/xorg problem and not a grub problem...
[10:23] <dr_willis> if the grub menu is hidden by default use the 'shift' key to make it show.. but that wont help if grub is not showng a proper display for the monitor
[10:23] <mecheese> dr_willis: I know the lower graphics screen will work. it's just I can't have video.
[10:24] <dr_willis> mecheese:  if grub is working properly, you can try the 'text' mode and attempt tofix  X from there
[10:24] <dr_willis> !text
[10:24] <mecheese> minimec: yes
[10:24] <dr_willis> You can even IRC from teh console with the weechat, or irssi IRC clients
[10:24] <Gryllida> Telnet :-)
[10:25] <dr_willis> dont make me slap you with kermit Gryllida  :)
[10:25] <mecheese> dr_willis: I can't fix x because ubuntu 11.04 has the config in the kernel. unless there is something I don't know
[10:25] <dr_willis> mecheese:  'config in the kernel' makes no snce to me at all.. Not sure what you are refering to.
[10:26] <mecheese> dr_willis: or controls for monitor detection are in the kernel. I read something to that effect.
[10:26] <solid_liq> dr_willis, hey doc, my tooth hurts when I use Windows...  what's wrong?
[10:26] <dr_willis> mecheese:  i think you miss-read..
[10:27] <dr_willis> mecheese:  X auto configures for themost part.. but if an xorg.conf exits it is used.
[10:27] <dr_willis> the nvidia-settings program can generate a xorg.conf
[10:27] <masterofpuppetss> hi
[10:27] <masterofpuppetss> would any1 be willing to compile a kernel for me
[10:27] <masterofpuppetss> i lack the tools and knowledge
[10:27] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  we would have to wonder why you need such a task done.
[10:28] <masterofpuppetss> because i only need a kernel that can perform disk backup using dd... no need for anything else like network etc
[10:28] <WillPittenger> I am thinking of getting rid of Unity.  It seems to be nothing more than a poorly thought out clone of the Mac desktop.  But when I logged into Ubuntu Classic, I don't see any panels.  Where are they?  How do I get them back?
[10:28] <masterofpuppetss> should be able load up in 2 seconds or so
[10:28] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  and why is it that critical?
[10:28] <mecheese> dr_willis: I read something. there is not even xorg.conf in my install. I read that the x controls for something were in the kernel to enable something for unity. I'm paraphrasing of course.
[10:29] <masterofpuppetss> well, its not critical but little is in life
[10:29] <masterofpuppetss> i just want a tool that fits the job
[10:29] <dr_willis> mecheese:  nvidia-settings tool canmake an xorg.conf. you dont 'need' one. My xorg.conf for my nvidia systems just turn off the splash screen.
[10:29] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  if you need a tiny linux disrto to do system rescues.. try 'tiny core linux'
[10:29] <masterofpuppetss> plug in, syslinux boots a bare bones kernel, backup done
[10:30] <dr_willis> tiny core linux = 10mb for a decently features system.
[10:30] <masterofpuppetss> im aware of microcore
[10:30] <masterofpuppetss> it can't even do loop commands
[10:30] <minimec> mecheese: Did you install the 'recommended' nVidia driver. I had three options for my GeForce 7600GS.
[10:30] <dr_willis> loop commands in what? bash? You did install bash on it?
[10:30] <masterofpuppetss> it comes with bash i assume
[10:30] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  it does not last i looked.
[10:30] <masterofpuppetss> hmm
[10:30] <dr_willis> busybox sh.
[10:31] <masterofpuppetss> so bsah is an extension for it
[10:31] <masterofpuppetss> bash*
[10:31] <dr_willis> everything is an extension for  that micro disrto. thats how it works basically
[10:31] <mecheese> minimec: yes i did. wait. I didn't even see what it was because it was installed when I installed ubuntu
[10:31] <masterofpuppetss> well, dd works on it out of the box i tried
[10:31] <masterofpuppetss> managed to clone a drive
[10:31] <masterofpuppetss> so that must be built in to the kernel
[10:32] <dr_willis> it was using the busybox version of dd i imagine also.
[10:32] <mecheese> minimec: I did an upgrade earlier and that's when I chose 'recommeded'. that messed it up so I just reinstall and it still messed up.
[10:32] <masterofpuppetss> anything wrong with that version?
[10:32] <minimec> mecheese: Run 'Additional Drivers' from the <System <Administration menu...
[10:32] <markskilbeck> Hm. I've lost the ability to use arrows to move through my command history, also tab completion, when I connect to my VPS.
[10:32] <mecheese> minimec: how?
[10:32] <markskilbeck> I get stuff like '^[[A'
[10:33] <dr_willis> markskilbeck:  the vps is proberly not set to run the bash completion commands, or is not using bash when you login.
[10:33] <mecheese> minimec: can I do that with a virtual ubuntu?
[10:33] <dr_willis> markskilbeck:  check the out put of   echo $SHELL
[10:33] <minimec> mecheese: You have no gui right now? ok...
[10:34] <mecheese> I have a virtual one. not one for hd install.
[10:34] <mecheese> minimec: that's the whole problem. no graphics at all.
[10:34] <minimec> mecheese: In a console sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Maybe that gives you a (basic) working graphics.
[10:35] <markskilbeck> dr_willis: /bin/sh
[10:35] <dr_willis> markskilbeck:  there ya go.. you are using sh and not bash
[10:35] <markskilbeck> It happened after I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and that updated some dash program
[10:35] <markskilbeck> I see
[10:35] <dr_willis> dash is the  'sh' ubuntu uses.. dash is not bash
[10:36] <masterofpuppetss> anyone know how i can add bash as an extension to microcore
[10:36] <dr_willis> sh is the default shell for system scripts and so forth. its 'quick and simple'
[10:36] <masterofpuppetss> their irc channel is dead
[10:36] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  install  the bash package on it.. read their docs.
[10:36] <dr_willis> why use microcore when tinycore is only 10mb
[10:36] <markskilbeck> dr_willis: how do I revert to bash?
[10:36] <markskilbeck> set $SHELL?
[10:36] <masterofpuppetss> why use a gui for running a simple dd backup command
[10:36] <dr_willis> markskilbeck:  chsh command perhaps.
[10:37] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss: becuase it keeps you from having to figure out how to use the microvariant..
[10:37] <mecheese> minimec: ok. I push esc to get to the consol at boot right?
[10:37] <voidr> Hello, does the current window manager have a command line inteface or some really easy python/wathever interface? I want to write a small script that raises a minized window
[10:38] <masterofpuppetss> its preety rediculous that dont come with bash, bash is used with great frequency
[10:38] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  whatever..  they call it microcore and tiny core for a reason.
[10:39] <mecheese> voidr: there is a console for python you can download in synaptic I think.
[10:39] <minimec> mecheese: left <shift> key...
[10:39] <robin0800> mecheese: only shift now I belive
[10:39] <WillPittenger> I am thinking of getting rid of Unity.  It seems to be nothing more than a poorly thought out clone of the Mac desktop.  But when I logged into Ubuntu Classic, I don't see any panels.  Where are they?  How do I get them back?
[10:39] <masterofpuppetss> well i dont need that small
[10:39] <masterofpuppetss> is puppylinux have a cli version?
[10:40] <mecheese> ok. off to press shift.
[10:40] <dr_willis> masterofpuppetss:  proberly does.. or can boot to the console.. ask in #puppylinux
[10:41] <robin0800> WillPittenger: killall gnome-panel
[10:41] <dr_willis> theres ubuntu console rescue type live cds out there also.
[10:42] <dr_willis> I dont find unity a clone of the mac desktop at all.. but i do have gfx issues withit - that make it totally unuseable.
[10:42] <voidr> yeah mecheese I anticipated that but for starters I don't know what's the current window manager called
[10:42] <dr_willis> ive gotten where im using lxde/lubuntu + avant window navigator for now.
[10:44] <WillPittenger> robin0800: gnome-panel: no process found
[10:44] <VolodymyrB> when I "ls -i" dir i see list of files "2123 ChicagoBoss-0.5.4.tar.gz" is 2123 id? can I use it instead long file name?
[10:45] <robin0800> WillPittenger: perhaps not installed?
[10:46] <asdjaputra> GNOME or Unity or KDE?
[10:46] <robin0800> WillPittenger: or try just gnome-panel
[10:47] <llutz> VolodymyrB: 2123 is the inode-entry of that file, not an id
[10:47] <WillPittenger> robin0800: That was it.  Not installed.
[10:47] <meomic> hey guys, does anyone else have a problem when you unplug usb disk the whole pc is hanged? the capslock control(led) is blinking - - need to hold power button and take the pc down(reboot)
[10:48] <meomic> is the bug known? i have ubuntu 11.04 x86-64bit
[10:48] <dr_willis> meomic:  you are unmounting it befor unplugging it?
[10:48] <meomic> yes
[10:48] <asdjaputra> meomic, that's a kernel panic
[10:48] <asdjaputra> FYI
[10:48] <dr_willis> meomic:  first ive heard of the issue
[10:49] <VolodymyrB> llutz: can i access file via inode-entry?
[10:49] <llutz> VolodymyrB: using debugfs, you might be able
[10:50] <xuser1> hi
[10:50] <meomic> it hang even if i dont unmount the drive first but i have bigger change that it will be working, so (unmount first , unplug = 33%? change = hang, not unmount just unplug = 10-20% hang)
[10:50] <meomic> change=chance
[10:50] <VolodymyrB> llutz: thanks
[10:50] <xuser1> i have the same problem with x server the GUI interface no start after remove nvidia driver
[10:50] <meomic> its an ntfs usb drive
[10:51] <xuser1> i installed nvidia-current from text mode but not work
[10:51] <dr_willis> meomic:  if you can ssh in, and monitor the dmesg logs as it hangs..it might give a clue
[10:51] <meomic> also ive tried it with 2 uswb drives already (both ntfs), my laptop is thinkpad r61, dr_willis: after it hang i cant ssh it - it does not work anymore
[10:52] <xuser1> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/fotografie0800.jpg/ any ideas / im on love cd now?
[10:53] <xuser1> :)
[10:54] <asdjaputra> love cd lol
[10:55] <xuser1> any ideas please
[10:56] <asdjaputra> 400 Bad Request
[10:56] <xuser1> ?\
[10:56] <vivian> i come from china.i want to find a friend from english speaking country
[10:57] <asdjaputra> startx
[10:57] <asdjaputra> ni hao
[10:57] <Abhijit> vivian, #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:57] <meomic> also those usb drives worked on buntu 10.10 - same machine - nnever crashed and i have almost always something plugged in - usb drive
[10:57] <vivian> ni hao
[10:57] <vivian> what is your msn
[10:57] <oCean> vivian: this channel is for ubuntu support only. Try #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[10:57] <asdjaputra> well, i'm not from an english speaking country
[10:58] <vivian> sorry
[10:59] <meomic> any idea how can i help debug it - i cant live with it - crashing my pc so often (even im thinking about buying new harddrive - so i wont need nay usb drives lol)
[10:59] <xuser1> can you help me please i installed the driver nvidia-current from text mode but dont work ?
[11:00] <iridium> asdjaputra, which is your country? there are a lot of regional channels, like #ubuntu-de for german #ubuntu-cn for chinese, you might want try one of these also
[11:01] <asdjaputra> iridium, what's wrong with me? lol
[11:01] <KaZ-> indeed
[11:01] <xuser1> :-(
[11:02] <iridium> asdjaputra, nothing, but since you told that your are not from english spoken country...
[11:02] <asdjaputra> iridium, well i speak english
[11:02] <iridium> your english is good
[11:02] <iridium> was only suggesting
[11:02] <iridium> :)
[11:03] <asdjaputra> heh, no one's there
[11:03] <asdjaputra> #ubuntu-id
[11:03] <oCean> now that we've settled that ^ let's get back on topic, ok?
[11:03] <iridium> ok oCean
[11:03] <xuser1> can you help me?
[11:03] <masterofpuppetss> just out of curiosity, how long does it take one of you linux maestros to compile a custom kernel
[11:04] <asdjaputra> yes Alex
[11:04] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: better try ##linux, this is ubuntu specific support
[11:04] <asdjaputra> oCean, he uses Ubuntu though
[11:04] <dr_willi1> !kernel
[11:04] <dr_willi1> depends on the system as to how fast it can compile.
[11:05] <masterofpuppetss> i just want a kernel with bash and tinybox.... nothing else
[11:05] <masterofpuppetss> well and it has to detect plugged in devices
[11:05] <masterofpuppetss> like hdd, usb etc
[11:06] <dr_willi1> masterofpuppetss:  you mean 'busybox' ?  those are not part of the kernel. they are part of the operating system
[11:06] <masterofpuppetss> umm yea busybox
[11:06] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: the ubuntu repositories provide already-compiled kernels. We don't support building your own
[11:06] <dr_willi1> You could make a kernel and an initrd (initial ramdisk) i imagine.
[11:06] <dr_willi1> but that really dosent mean you need to 'compile' the kernel.
[11:07] <masterofpuppetss> well even busybox i can do wtihout if i can have a kernel with dd built in
[11:07] <masterofpuppetss> probably it need only be 3mb big
[11:08] <masterofpuppetss> any1 have a good link for doing the kernel compile plus ramdisk
[11:08] <dr_willi1> you dont put 'dd' in the kernel..
[11:08] <masterofpuppetss> so where does it come from
[11:08] <dr_willi1> it would be part of the os the kernel loads.
[11:08] <aureianimus> just being nosy, but is there any particular reason you'd like that for?
[11:08] <dr_willi1> !initrd
[11:09] <masterofpuppetss> aurianimus i just i want something i can plug in and have it backup drives
[11:09] <masterofpuppetss> so i only really need dd
[11:09] <masterofpuppetss> and a startup script
[11:09] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: you're just being silly now. Such capabilities have nothing to do with the kernel
[11:10] <xuser1>  i have the same problem with x server the GUI interface no start after remove nvidia driver
[11:10] <extor> dd is horribly inefficient
[11:10] <masterofpuppetss> fdisk betteR?
[11:10] <Zpix> hi all
[11:10] <extor> rsync
[11:10] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: can you ask a real question?
[11:10] <Zpix> is there anyway to add a menu to home folder in unity luncher>/
[11:10]  * extor isnt sure he is in the correct discussion
[11:10] <erwacke> hi all
[11:11] <masterofpuppetss> !ops
[11:11] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: yes, what is it?
[11:11] <masterofpuppetss> your trolling me
[11:11] <dr_willi1> theres many cases where ubuntu  dosent boot properly and goes to the 'busybox shell' that  is about as minimal an os as you can get. Kernel + busybox
[11:11] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: don't abuse that ops trigger again
[11:11] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: no I am not. I am asking you what your real question is.
[11:11] <oCean> masterofpuppetss: I also told you that this is ubuntu specific channel
[11:12] <xuser1> do you wanna help me?
[11:12] <masterofpuppetss> yea its all i need, kernel + busybox + bash
[11:12] <masterofpuppetss> oCean ok
[11:12] <penlat> I have setup a moodle server. When I host a flash application will that stress the server or my laptop?
[11:12] <Zpix> any body knows about adding a menu to home folder in unity luncher?
[11:13] <masterofpuppetss> dr_willi1 i rekon tinycore doesn't suit my needs
[11:14] <dr_willi1> masterofpuppetss:  i dont know why it dosent.. you can set that up  rther easially on a flash drive.
[11:15] <meomic> so according to that usb unplug causing kernel panic - where i can talk with somebody who can fix it (when i provide him all he needs?)?
[11:16] <dr_willi1> meomic:  somthing that deep. may be a kernel type bug report. You may want to check the ubuntu forums. the bug reports. and perhaps even mention it on askubuntu.com
[11:16] <dr_willi1> Zpix:  ive seen some tweaks similer to that mentioned onthe webupd8 blog site.
[11:17] <meomic> dr_willi1: ok thank you alot for the info
[11:17] <Zpix> dr_willi1: aha thank you i will check it
[11:17] <dr_willi1> Zpix:  i recall some tweak to put a 'places
[11:17] <dr_willi1>  type menu on the  buttons at the left in the panel.
[11:18] <dr_willi1> Zpix:  i just use a extra tool that gives me a normal ubuntu-gnome menu on the panel. :)
[11:18] <Zpix> dr_willi1: and whats that tool?
[11:19] <dr_willi1> cardpio i think.. its bookmarked at my  http://delicious.com/dr_willis site
[11:19] <blitz> would any of you wonderful people know of anything i can use to fix my windows mbr and retain the use of grub?
[11:21] <dr_willi1> then theres is a indicator applet that does a similer thing
[11:21] <dr_willi1> that indicator appletis handy for other windowmangers as well. :) gives me a normal gnomemenu in  lubuntu, or xfce, or whatever wm canhave a 'system tray'
[11:21] <Stefanos90> hello, i have installed XAMPP, what is the folder I have to put my site?
[11:25] <dr_willi1> !lamp
[11:26] <dr_willi1> !xamp
[11:26] <asdjaputra> woops
[11:26] <asdjaputra> lol
[11:26] <dr_willi1> I dont evne know how xampp and lampp differs
[11:26] <asdjaputra> !xampp
[11:26] <PandoraGaming> question i downloaded kubuntu and the whole desktop was weird it didn't even look like kde what is that god ugly thing? Is there a way to get the real origional kde back
[11:26] <blitz> im pretty sure xampp is more updated than lamp
[11:27] <dr_willi1> PandoraGaming:  given how vague that was... we have noidea whatyou mean..
[11:27] <asdjaputra> PandoraGaming, that's what i think about 4.6 too
[11:27] <dr_willi1> PandoraGaming:  give a screen shot? see if we can tell if its 'normal' :)
[11:27] <blitz> is rescatux suitable for fixing an issue in grub where it fails to boot my windows partition?
[11:27] <PandoraGaming> i mean the menu bar was at the top of the screen is that the unity thing i been hearing about?
[11:28] <dr_willi1> kde dosent use Unity.
[11:28] <dr_willi1> Unless you some how managed to get ubuntu and kde both going together
[11:28] <asdjaputra> PandoraGaming, screenshot and give it to imagebin.org
[11:29] <dwiash> hi guys! can anybody here help me with my problem here:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/51608/endless-usb-loop-disconnect-reconnect-zte-ac682
[11:30] <io> dwiash: explain your problem
[11:30] <PandoraGaming> http://www.flickr.com/photos/musante/5746405736/ thats an exact picture of what it looks like so weird i never seen it before but i didn't like it
[11:31] <dwiash> io: it's a  USB modem problem. it keeps disconnect-reconnect
[11:31] <dr_willi1> PandoraGaming:  thats the kde 'netbook' theme
[11:31] <dr_willi1> theres a  netbook and a desktop   display option.
[11:31] <PandoraGaming> why on earth did it install that
[11:31] <dr_willi1> its included by default.. you some how told it to use the netbook interface
[11:32] <dr_willi1> on the KDM login screen perhaps.. i forget where you toggle it.
[11:32] <blitz> beat me to it. anyone here that can help me with my boot issue? dual booting ubuntu and windows 7, damaged in such a way that grub sits at a black screen until it reboots.
[11:32] <dr_willi1> blitz:  so neiher os boots?
[11:32] <dr_willi1> neither.
[11:33] <blitz> ubuntu boots fine, but when i select the win7 partition, it just sits at a black screen until it reboots
[11:34] <blitz> i know precisely where i went wrong, but i need to know if rescatux is suitable for fixing the mbr and checking the file system, also while retaining the use of grub
[11:35] <xuser1> can you help me? can i disable nvidia driver and enable gnome display manager withowt nvidia driver?
[11:36] <blitz> xuserl: not an expert, but im pretty sure you can, if you know your way around the cli
[11:37] <xuser1> so any ideas? i cant start the GUI interface
[11:37] <xuser1> im on live cd
[11:38] <ledjo> hi I've got xubuntu installed and I installed lxde desktop afterwards in synaptic and changed lxde to be default, I then removed lxde and now I have gdm error at start up. I have to ctrl+alt+f1 and then sudo gdm every time on start up. Graphics are bad too in user session and in root are normal. any suggestions?
[11:40] <xuser1> http://imageshack.us/f/832/fotografie0800.jpg/ any ideas to fix this error ?
[11:40] <xuser1> i tryed startx comand but the same error?
[11:41] <ledjo> any clever guys here?
[11:41] <Guest40355> nope
[11:42] <jpds> ledjo: Not clever enough to read your mind.
[11:42] <Guest40355> hi all..any help for me with getting internet to work with ubuntu, internet works fine with windows
[11:42] <ledjo> then read my post
[11:43] <blitz> check your drivers 40355, if not, /etc/init.d/networking start
[11:43] <xuser1> can i delete the xorg-conf file and enable default gnome display manager?
[11:43] <ledjo> use ndiswrapper, ndisgt and windows drivers, 40355
[11:43] <blitz> xuserl: no.
[11:44] <xuser1> but . i installed the nvidia from text mode and the GUI dont start/
[11:44] <xuser1> ?
[11:44] <blitz> ledjo: for clarity, your problem is a major difference in quality between two different user accounts, root and a standard user?
[11:45] <xuser1> error no screens found
[11:45] <ledjo> not just that, blitz but it fails on gdm at startup
[11:46] <ledjo> thats the main prob
[11:46] <blitz> which desktop env are you using as default?
[11:46] <NotTooDumb2> blitz, how to check for the required drivers?
[11:47] <ledjo> I used xfce then I installed lxde and checked it as default, by accident.
[11:47] <ledjo> then I removed lxde
[11:48] <ledjo> and didn't change back to xfce before cause I didn't know where to do that
[11:48] <blitz> i would suggest removing both environments, and starting from scratch instead of sifting through config files for a while.
[11:48] <xuser1> can i start the GUI withowt nvidaia driver?
[11:49] <miono> I have a rather curious problem with SSH_AUTH_SOCK, when I start gnome-terminal from the predefined keyboard-shortcut everything is fine. But when I create a customer kybd-shortcut to start the terminal, the SSH_AUTH_SOCK isn't correct.
[11:49] <ledjo> but when I remove xfce now what stays?
[11:49] <miono> Anyone have any ideas?
[11:49] <blitz> xuserl: what is your error
[11:49] <blitz> miono: whoami, check user status
[11:50] <xuser1> no screens found