[10:41] <Ubik_> bonjour
[10:42] <Ubik_> y a quelqu un?
[10:43] <Ubik_> bah
[10:44] <Ubik_> maybe in english
[10:44] <Ubik_> hello there!
[11:38] <Guest90630> Hi all, I installed Lubuntu 16.10 to sda8 alongside 10.04 and windows but its not listed showing on Grub menu...
[11:39] <Guest90630> not wanting to disturb windows I specified sda8 as boot partition during install
[11:39] <Guest90630> boot-repair didn't fix it
[11:40] <Guest90630> is anyone here able to advise? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23711458/
[15:24] <bum> I just downloaded ISO
[15:24] <bum> I want to create live USB drive
[15:24] <bum> How to do it?
[15:35] <Guest90630> Am no expert but it would help to know what os are you using to create live USB?
[17:03] <sharique> email client for personal domain?
[17:04] <sharique> hi
[17:04] <sharique> anybody here??
[17:25] <LargePrime> heyo.  i am trying to install a linux program, from here scienceinhydroponics.com/2013/02/the-first-free-hydroponic-nutrient-calculator-program-o.html
[17:25] <LargePrime> but I get nowhere.  please advise
[17:27] <LargePrime> not a pro at linux
[17:27] <LargePrime> please ping if you reply.  i'll be away
[17:27] <LargePrime> thankyou
[20:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> happy new year to all
[21:42] <xangua> Happy new year, new old computer running Lubuntu


[14:49] <Cheesehead> Morning
[15:17] <h00k> Hi!
[15:17] <h00k> Thank me later: http://goo.gl/lJesI
[15:21] <Cheesehead> Hmmm. I can't hear it. Perhaps I have my system muted.
[15:21] <Cheesehead> Ah, indeed I do.
[17:50] <Cheesehead> Okay I watched it. Honestly, it was better muted.
[17:54] <Cheesehead> Just not my kind of music, I suppose
[17:54] <h00k> :D
[17:54] <h00k> I'd hope not.
[17:54] <h00k> The brains behind that song....bah.
[17:54] <Cheesehead> I'm not going to thank you for it, you know.
[17:55] <Cheesehead> Rich partying teenagers have such difficult lives...
[18:06] <h00k> Cheesehead: Did you see any of the story behind that video?
[18:07] <h00k> 22
[18:11] <Cheesehead> h00k: Nope. Never heard of it before, nor anyone in it.
[18:13] <Cheesehead> Experimenting with rdiff-backup as a backup solution today.


[00:00] <DetroitBadBoy> Now with the apps gone, are you able to look for the kde files that bprompt told you to look for?
[00:03] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy: first id just like to say that it seems NetworkManager is having a lot of problems. is there any way to reinstall it?
[00:05] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: read this page..........      https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[00:06] <fuze> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nFQdY9Et/
[00:06] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy:
[00:07] <DetroitBadBoy> hmmmmm
[00:07] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: Do you have your install disk?
[00:08] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy: from an old version
[00:08] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: have you checked for updates?
[00:08] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy: yes i did a distribution upgrade today hoping it would fix the problems. no luck
[00:08] <DetroitBadBoy> ok
[00:08] <DetroitBadBoy> stand by
[00:09] <fuze> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:09] <DetroitBadBoy> You are running kubuntu with plasma 5, right?
[00:11] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: you are running Kubuntu with Plasma 5, right?
[00:11] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy: yes
[00:11] <DetroitBadBoy> ok... go to this link http://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[00:11] <DetroitBadBoy> Download it again.  Then do a re-install. Sounds like that disro upgrade jammed things up
[00:12] <fuze> DetroitBadBoy: no ive had this problem since i started using kubuntu
[00:12] <DetroitBadBoy> really?
[00:12] <DetroitBadBoy> hmmmm
[00:13] <fuze> yes particularly since i started theming plasma
[00:13] <fuze> should i install kde-runtime-data?
[00:13] <DetroitBadBoy> You can do that, yes
[00:13] <fuze> kde-runtime-data is already the newest version (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1).
[00:14] <DetroitBadBoy> Well from what you have shown and what you've typed it is looking like a mismatch somewhere
[00:14] <fuze> is there a repair tool
[00:15] <mtn> fuze: reinstall of kubuntu is the easiest/quickest method
[00:15] <fuze> mtn: i have customized everything so much i dont want to start over
[00:15] <mtn> fuze: ok, good luck
[00:16] <fuze> there is no repair program?
[00:16] <mtn> fuze: to repair what?
[00:16] <fuze> broken files
[00:16] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: I'm not seeing anything about that outside of the install CD itself
[00:16] <mtn> fuze: reinstall them, that is how you "repair" them
[00:17] <DetroitBadBoy> Yes. That is the normal way to repair them. Just re-install them but take care. A lot of folks have looked at sites that make them think they are using genuine linux/ ubuntu/kununtu/ etc software when it is something that could possibly corrupt your OS
[00:17] <mtn> fuze: reinstall of kubuntu is the easiest/quickest method
[00:18] <DetroitBadBoy> Yes
[00:18] <mtn> fuze: and safest, too
[00:18] <DetroitBadBoy> Back up all of your files. Re-install your apps and widgets
[00:18] <fuze> ok but how can i reinstall networkmanager
[00:18] <bprompt> I have an ssd, and an installation takes me 5mins
[00:18] <mtn> fuze: use the package manager
[00:18] <fuze> i have had to get help to install some programs so i really dont want to start over
[00:19] <DetroitBadBoy> Yes, the package manager can help with the re-install of network manager
[00:19] <bprompt> this thread has been going over an hour, I'd had installed kubuntu 12 times now =)
[00:19] <mtn> indeed
[00:19] <DetroitBadBoy> argh
[00:20] <fuze> ok reinstalling
[00:20] <DetroitBadBoy> fuze: Sorry about your troubles
[00:21] <fuze> also i meant reinstalling network manager not the OS
[00:21] <DetroitBadBoy> ok
[00:21] <bprompt> fuze:     back up all your $HOME folder, do a full reinstall, when done, backup the newly default $HOME folder, then you'd have the backup of your old configuration, which isn't working so well, and you'll have the new defaults, which are working, from there, use the old configuration, to see if it's a binary that's gone bonkers, or is really your configuration, if worse comes to worse, you can always put the default  $HOME back
[00:21] <fuze> if i delete qml files will they automatically recreate?
[00:22] <mtn> fuze: if you think it is a config problem, make a new user, login as the new user. see how well it works for the new user
[00:22] <bprompt> fuze:    yes and no, depends on the app, some do, some don't
[00:22] <bprompt> yeap... that's a good tip, make a new user account, will be a new profile, to test if things work for it
[04:48]  * Laif hi :)
[04:50] <lethu> hello Laif
[06:21] <hyper_ch> hi there, I have several issues with 16.04 -> I see no TTYs... this is annoying because if I select to poweroff, it just stops somehwere and doesn't continue and I can't figure out what's wrong. Also "boot up" until luks key entry takes like 20 seconds (ssd)
[06:31] <lethu> hyper_ch: pastebin your /var/log/kern.log
[07:02] <hyper_ch> lethu: https://www.sjau.ch/kern.log
[07:03] <hyper_ch> starting at May 17 08:15:26
[11:44] <oper_> hallou
[11:44] <oper_> !list
[11:45] <oper_> !chanellist
[11:45] <oper_> #musik
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:30] <SternNL> Just installed Kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop (fresh install). Now the mouse cursor is glitching. When moving my mouse inside a window, i'll get up to 30 mouse cursors. Is this a known bug? And if so, does someone have a solution?
[13:31] <soee> never seen that :)
[13:32] <hateball> SternNL: what GPU?
[13:32] <hateball> SternNL: and is this regardless of application?
[13:38] <SternNL> hateball: Geforce GT 555M/635M. Regardless of application. Even on a plain desktop near a panel.
[13:39] <hateball> SternNL: are you using nVidia driver or nouveau ?
[13:41] <SternNL> I'm not sure how to find out. Previously I always used the Driver application for this, but this one doesn't work anymore.
[13:41] <hateball> SternNL: You can use "ubuntu-drivers" from the commandline
[13:43] <hateball> SternNL: "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" will(should) install any missing drivers
[13:44] <wuschLOR> Hi there how can is disable cups from auto adding printers in my network ?
[13:49] <SternNL> hateball: Sorry, I have trouble reaching some of the ubuntu repositories. Will try it later.
[14:28] <viewer|70304> Hi
[14:29] <soee> hiho
[14:29] <viewer|70304> Do you have kubuntu?
[14:30] <soee> this is rather rhetorical question no ? :)
[14:31] <viewer|70304> Of Course ;)
[14:35] <viewer|70304> I want to Switch from Windows to kubuntu and had ubuntu as a second OS. In ubuntu 16.04 I had some graphical issues when I enabled the Drivers for my graphics Card (nvidia Geforce GTX 850M). After that I couldn't log in. Since I wanted to Switch completely from Windows to Linux I just wanted to know, if there are similar Problems. Do you know more
[14:35] <viewer|70304> about that?
[14:39] <soee> well propriety driver works nice for me on my GF 650M
[14:39] <soee> *my
[14:40] <viewer|70304> And you don't have Problems with logging in?
[14:40] <viewer|70304> Every time I enabled the Drivers I had to reinstall my whole compter
[14:40] <viewer|70304> Computer*
[14:42] <soee> viewer|70304: on Kubuntu ?
[14:43] <acheron88> nvidia 364.19 driver working nicely here on kubuntu xenial 16.04
[14:44] <soee> +1
[14:44] <acheron88> from here admittedly https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:45] <acheron88> though the main archive ones were also Ok for this card
[14:46] <viewer|70304> Thank you! Hopefully all will work this time.
[15:22] <Quantos> I have a DLink dwa 130 and KUbuntu 16.04
[15:22] <Quantos> I can't seem to get the wifi working, I'm not sure what needs to be done
[15:24] <Quantos> The dongle works, I've tested it on other rigs
[15:32] <genii> Quantos: Is the package linux-firmware-nonfree installed?
[15:32] <Quantos> I think so, how do I verify it?
[15:32] <genii> ( multiverse repository needs to be enabled to install it)
[15:34] <Quantos> I'm not sure how to check if that repository is enabled
[15:35] <genii> !repos
[15:36] <Quantos> Okay, give me a few minutes to go over that
[15:38] <yossarianuk> looking at this bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674  It says 'fix released' however I still cannot change any wired network settings with network-manager GUI
[15:38] <Quantos> That works for Muon, this is a different package I think
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk:  i ran a full-upgrade and the patch installed, that was a few days ago
[15:44] <Quantos> Yeah, genii, those links don't apply in any way that I can find
[15:45] <genii> Quantos: Simplest way is just to manually edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file ( with admin priveleges) and add the multiverse repository that way.
[15:45] <Quantos> Then tell me how to do that
[15:48] <Quantos> Oh, it's already enabled in there
[15:49] <Quantos> So how do I install the linux-firmware-nonfree
[15:51] <genii> Quantos: sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-firmware-nonfree
[15:51]  * genii runs back to work
[15:52] <Quantos> No such package
[15:52] <Quantos> Wow, you sure know your shit Genii - NOT
[15:53] <Quantos> Cmon guys, I'm on 16.04, this worked so much easier on 15.04
[15:57] <genii> !info linux-firmware-nonfree
[15:57] <genii> !info linux-firmware-nonfree trusty
[15:57] <soee> what is the problem ?
[15:57] <genii> Looks like it was removed
[15:57] <Quantos> ACH
[15:57] <Quantos> Figures, it's the one I need
[15:58] <Quantos> I owe you an apology then genii
[15:58] <Quantos> Sorry mate
[15:59] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: I updated this morning, I still get an error when changing net-manager profiles...
[16:01] <Quantos> Okay, so that's no longer an option, what else can I try?
[16:05] <genii> Quantos: Please pastebin results of: lsusb     and: sudo lshw -C network
[16:06] <Quantos> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[16:06] <Quantos> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:06] <Quantos> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04e8:6860 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Galaxy (MTP)
[16:06] <Quantos> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
[16:06] <Quantos> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[16:06] <Quantos> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:06] <genii> !pastebin | Quantos
[16:07] <Quantos> Sorry, my bad
[16:08] <Quantos> lsusb results https://paste.kde.org/po6t0lqd5
[16:09] <genii> Interesting, it's not showing on the USB bus
[16:10] <Quantos> And the other command doesn't work
[16:10] <genii> So that means it does not see a network device
[16:10] <Quantos> There's the ethernet, or does it only see wifi?
[16:10] <genii> Quantos: This IS a USB adapter, yes?
[16:10] <Quantos> Yes, it is
[16:11] <Quantos> And it does work, I tested it on another machine
[16:12] <genii> Quantos: So in that case, unplug it for about 5 seconds, plug it back in to the USB port, wait another 5 seconds, then issue: dmesg| tail -n20   ...and put the results of that command into a pastebin
[16:12] <genii> work, AFK 5-7 minutes
[16:12] <Quantos> Okay
[16:16] <Quantos> Genii, here it is https://paste.kde.org/p3z4t798w
[16:19] <genii> Quantos: If you do: ifconfig -a    ... do you see a device named like wlx6c7220e24a3e  ?
[16:20] <Quantos> Yes I do
[16:20] <Quantos> Actually it's named exactly thta
[16:20] <Quantos> that even
[16:24] <genii> Quantos: See now if you can make a new wireless connection from network manager, using that as the device
[16:25] <Quantos> Okay
[16:27] <Quantos> Genii, where do I find the network manager?
[16:28] <Quantos> Think I found it
[16:28] <Quantos> Do I need to install that?
[16:28] <genii> No
[16:29] <genii> Normally to get there, go to the network icon on your main bar, the one that says "Networks" when you hover on it, right click and choose Configure Network Connections
[16:30] <Quantos> I have network settings but I can't get anything
[16:31] <Quantos> Okay, it won't auto detect the SSID
[16:33] <genii> Quantos: Is the wifi access point ( like router or such) set not to broadcast it's name?
[16:33] <Quantos> No, I have the SSID set to broadcast
[16:33] <Quantos> I typed it in manually
[16:35] <Quantos> Okay, supposedly I have a new connection, but it hasn't asked me for my password yet
[16:35] <genii> My lunch is ready, I have to go eat. Will be back in 15-20 minutes
[16:35] <Quantos> Okay
[16:38] <Quantos> And it won't do a thing
[16:52] <genii> Quantos: After looking at https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/rt2800usb , Looks like the rt2800usb driver has some problems with more recent ralink chips ( ones made by mediatek ). So the options here would be to either use ndiswrapper, and dig out the Windows driver CD for that, or find the exact model of the adapter and see if there is a fixed driver for it on mediatek's site
[16:52] <tahaan> Does anybody else experience issues with Kubuntu 16.04 stabilty?  Window decorators keep on disappearing
[16:53] <Quantos> Okay, it's a DLink DWA 130
[16:53] <Quantos> Any idea if it's covered by another driver?
[16:54] <genii> Quantos: Could you look at whatever stickers or other writings on it, and see if there's more info like FCCID, or more exact model name? ( because there are several generations of DWA 130 with different chips)
[16:54] <Quantos> Of course there are, nothing can be easy
[16:55] <Quantos> Part number is cwa130na.....f1?
[16:56] <Quantos> The f1 must be for something else
[17:03] <Quantos> Okay, just installed ndiswrapper
[17:04] <genii> Quantos: Using the output of your previous pastebin, where it says "RT chipset 5392, rev 0223 detected" the only result on the mediatek site is for a Windows driver, so the ndiswrapper seems the next method to try
[17:05] <genii> Quantos: http://www.mediatek.com/en/downloads1/downloads/pcimpcicbrt2860rt2760rt2890/ is the link to that
[17:05] <Quantos> I've installed ndiswrapper, just trying to find out how to use it
[17:05] <genii> !ndiswrapper
[17:06] <genii> Quantos: Basically, you're going to need to extract from the Windows driver the driver files, put them in their own directory underneath of /lib/firmware and then point ndiswrapper at those
[17:06] <genii> work, afk
[17:15] <adymitruk> anyone else's sound die after the last kernel update?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> adymitruk:  not here, but check lsamixer in the terminal and make sure automute is disabled and required volume ctrls aren't muted
[17:23] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[17:57] <user|53677> My driver management is collecting system data for hours now. What can I do to fasten it up?
[17:58] <adymitruk> wow.. alsomixer looks awesome on the terminal!
[17:59] <BluesKaj> user|53677:  nothing, it's a bug that's on the back burner
[18:00] <adymitruk> BluesKaj: how do I turn off automute? can't see where that is
[18:00] <BluesKaj> user|53677:  find out which linux driver your gpu is recommended on the manufactureres web site then install it from the repos
[18:01] <BluesKaj> adymitruk:  it's on the far right
[18:01] <BluesKaj> use the down arrow ket to disable it
[18:01] <BluesKaj> key
[18:02] <adymitruk> I just see X-Bass
[18:02] <user|53677> Is there any other way to choose my graphic card driver beside the driver management?
[18:02] <adymitruk> headphones work.. maybe it's the speakers themselves
[18:03] <adymitruk> damn
[18:03] <BluesKaj> user|53677:  which gpu?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> adymitruk:  paste a screen shot of your alsamixer in http://imgur.com/
[18:04] <user|53677> nvidia geforce gtx 850m
[18:07] <BluesKaj> user|53677:  sudo apt install nvidia-361
[18:10] <user|53677> And how do I enable it or does it enable itselve automatically?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> user|53677:  reboot and it should be working, you can check by using this command ; sudo lshw -c video
[18:18] <user|53677> ok thank you
[18:19] <user|53677> I'll restart no
[18:19] <user|53677> now
[18:22] <user|53677> It worked! Thank you so much!
[19:04] <angel1604lts> excuse me I have a little problem with ubuntu 16.04does not see me the bluetooth card on my laptop  hp 4540s
[19:12] <genii> angel1604lts: Looks like the chipset in that model is not linux-friendly. http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/HP-ProBook-4540s-drivers-for-Linux/td-p/2699495
[20:25] <benedikt_> Hello. Can somebody please help me ? I need to export my passwords from firefox, which I did already and I want to import them into rekonq.
[20:27] <DetroitBadBoy> bendikt_: Export FF’s bookmarks with its bookmark manager as HTML file.
[20:27] <DetroitBadBoy> Close Rekonq/Konqueror, run keditbookmarks and import the HTML file.
[20:27] <DetroitBadBoy> Let keditbookmarks fetch all favicons (select all and then right-click).
[20:27] <DetroitBadBoy> Define your FF bookmark bar folder als KDE bookmark bar folder.
[20:27] <DetroitBadBoy> Close keditbookmarks and launch Rekonq again.
[20:28] <benedikt_> also I am new to plasma 5. I would like to put my display configuration on my task manager as a shortcut, since I often switch from single to dual monitor
[20:28] <benedikt_> DetroitBadBoy: thanks, but it's not the bookmarks, but the passwords. ;)
[20:33] <DetroitBadBoy> benedikt__: have you checked KDE wallet for the passwords? That is where rekonq stores them
[20:35] <benedikt__> ok, I am checking KDEWallet right now, I am trying to see how I can import the xml file with the passwords
[20:45] <DetroitBadBoy> benedikt__: when you open KDE wallet, do you see where it shows Launch Wallet Manager?
[20:46] <benedikt__> nope :(
[20:47] <DetroitBadBoy> benedikt__: does your KDE wallet have the word file at the top left?
[20:47] <benedikt__> yes I am in the wallet manager
[20:48] <DetroitBadBoy> ok, top left click on file, click on import XML, search for firefox and have it import it from there
[20:49] <benedikt__> I get Error: XML file does not contain a wallet
[20:55] <benedikt__> I guess I will enter each site manually and re enter each password manually
[21:08] <valorie> !usb
[21:26] <koo7> hi
[21:26] <koo7> window manager animations are so slow it is interfering with using my computer, is this intended?
[21:27] <koo7> i dont mean laggy, fps is alright
[21:27] <koo7> i just cant find any settings for this
[21:28] <koo7> alt-tabbing resembles a slideshow of holiday photos made by old people
[21:38] <tux|dude> Try restarting the window manager
[21:38] <tux|dude> Alt+F2
[21:39] <tux|dude> kquitapp5 plasmashell
[21:39] <tux|dude> Then wait a few seconds
[21:39] <tux|dude> Alt+F2 again
[21:39] <tux|dude> plasmashell
[21:42] <tux|dude> I find that sometimes helps with if you run into interface lag or something
[21:43] <tux|dude> Hopefully they fix it soon
[21:53] <koo7> i found animation speed settings...finally
[21:59] <em> what is the easy way to disable the touch screen on a laptop with kubuntu 16.04 ?
[22:40] <goddard> I'm unable to send email messages through kmail while using gmail
[22:43] <Zren> koo7, if alt-tab is still slow, try the big icons alt tab skin
[22:43] <Zren> i found that the thumbnail generation was what slowed down my pc
[22:49] <koo7> thanks..yea that has an effect too
[23:09] <Guest1181> Anyone know why kubuntu 1604 doesn't show any of my other HDD's?
[23:09] <Guest1181> The installer I mean
[23:11] <Guest1181> nevermind my last
[23:12] <Guest1181> It seems to have resolved itself


[23:42] <jyo> Extended the nomination period for the LoCo election to January 8.
[23:42] <jyo> Nominations go here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership/2013
[23:42] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Leadership/2013 - Ubuntu Wiki]


[13:03] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[14:26] <highvoltage> good morning
[14:27] <stgraber> morning
[20:51] <martsbradley> Hi folks,
[20:52] <martsbradley> I've a bit of software I wrote for the mathematical order of operations, for example to illustrate that 1+2*3=7 rather than 9.
[20:53] <martsbradley> A video of its available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc9cu-ekFrg
[20:53] <martsbradley> Is it worth packaging it and putting it into ubuntu?  I've got all the source code, its written in wx widgets and is all my own code.
[20:53] <martsbradley> ?
[20:54] <highvoltage> hi martsbradley
[20:54] <martsbradley> Hi Highvoltage
[20:54] <highvoltage> it looks like it could be useful to someone, so why not :)
[20:55] <alkisg> martsbradley: just an idea, if you could make it show infix/postfix etc notations with that tree, I'm sure it would be useful to some CS students
[20:55] <highvoltage> martsbradley: what does it do with http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/48293/ ? :)
[20:57] <martsbradley> I'll boot up my other computer and try it out.
[20:58] <highvoltage> martsbradley: but yes, I think it would be nice, and if it's stable and not otherwise troublesome we'd probably include it in edubuntu too.
[21:02] <martsbradley> 288 it gives
[21:02] <martsbradley> It had a little problem with the 2(9, it did not recognise it as a multiply so had to insert the * between the 2 and the opening bracket
[21:04] <martsbradley> Is 288 the expected answer, I'm sure it is but I'm no math teacher.
[21:04] <highvoltage> ah see the way I was taught in school "48 / 2(9+3)" and "48 / 2 * (9+3)" would give different answers. but I guess that's one of the sucky things about differences in math across different regions that that post highlights
[21:04] <martsbradley> I was taught that the 2(9+3) means add 9 & 3 then multiply by 2, even though the multiply operator was omitted.
[21:05] <highvoltage> martsbradley: yep, same here.
[21:05] <highvoltage> and if you do that then you get to the answer "2"
[21:06] <martsbradley> I was taught by the BODMAS expression, brackets order division multiply add subtract it stands for, therefore the brackets come first, so 9+3 =12
[21:07] <martsbradley> Then 48 /2
[21:07] <martsbradley> 24 * 12 must be 288
[21:07] <highvoltage> oopes, I meant 24 instead of 2
[21:07] <highvoltage> (man that chapaign we had at work went straight to my head)
[21:07] <martsbradley> Lucky u.
[21:08] <martsbradley> So we agree 288 is correct answer.
[21:08] <highvoltage> well...
[21:08] <highvoltage> ...
[21:08] <highvoltage> that's debatable depending on how you were taught
[21:08] <highvoltage> but I think it's the right answer for your software to give
[21:09] <martsbradley> I think that Ireland and America is taught in same way, not sure about Europe + rest of world.
[21:09] <highvoltage> oh no, I was right first time, I would end up with 2 as the answer
[21:09] <highvoltage> (Implied multiplication)
[21:09] <highvoltage> 48 ÷ 2(9+3)=
[21:09] <highvoltage> 48 ÷ 2(12)=
[21:09] <highvoltage> 48 ÷ 24=
[21:09] <highvoltage> 2
[21:10] <martsbradley> I'll look at that page to see what they came up with
[21:10] <highvoltage> yeah I'm no mathemetician either. but I just think it would be nice if your software could be aware of these kind of things. just as a wish list :)
[21:11] <martsbradley> Yea they have two different answers also, not good.  I thought mathematics was the 'universal language'
[21:12] <highvoltage> heh, yeah it has some similar problems as natural languages though. in some areas other conventions were formed so some expressions mean different things
[21:13] <highvoltage> that's why different calculators also give different answers for the same equation
[21:14] <martsbradley> ok thanks for the help, bye.
[21:14] <highvoltage> bye!


[08:36] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:48] <popey> Morning
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning
[16:01] <diddledan> the libdems recon the tories cancelled the patching deal with MS for obsolete windows systems at the NHS a year ago
[16:02] <diddledan> foobarry: ^ that
[16:07] <diddledan> from corbyn: "I'm also very angry that in 2014, there was a one-year renewal of the protection system on the NHS systems which was not renewed after that and not renewed the year after that and so our systems are now not upgraded and not protected."
[16:12] <penguin42> diddledan: Not like that GCHQ new there was a critical hole in them all that needed fixing....
[16:13] <diddledan> no, it's not like Microsoft sent out an upgrade now message or anything
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> they even have XP patches
[16:16] <ali1234> yeah they sent an "upgrade now" message in 2014
[16:22] <diddledan> there was another a couple weeks ago about this very hole, too
[16:27] <ali1234> a ouple of weeks ago? yeah that didn't apply to XP. no patch issued until today
[16:27] <ali1234> the only "upgrade now" message for those users was the one in 2014
[19:11] <ali1234> today i figured out that my internet disconnects whenever i turn on on specific light
[19:12] <ali1234> its one of those corn cob LED bulbs
[19:12] <penguin42> impressive!
[19:12] <ali1234> its nowhere near the router either
[19:13] <ali1234> but my house does have a lot of phone extensions so that is probably picking it up
[19:13] <ali1234> it only causes a brief disconnect too
[19:14] <ali1234> interestingly there is a noticable delay between flipping the switch and the light actually turning on
[19:14] <penguin42> it's dhcping it's light obviously....
[19:15] <penguin42> that must have a very screwy power converter in to do that
[19:16] <ali1234> it is a few years old
[19:16] <ali1234> i had one of these die already
[20:15] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:16] <sebsebseb> anyone else watching Eurovision song contest?   :-P
[20:19] <penguin42> haha
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> there have been 1-2...
[21:01] <sebsebseb> s
[21:17] <daftykins> dee-da-dee
[21:24] <diddledan> I like the yodellers
[21:24] <sebsebseb> diddledan: your watching to then
[21:25] <sebsebseb> eurovision ?
[21:25] <diddledan> oh no, I just like yodellers and wanted to let everyone know
[21:25] <sebsebseb> oh
[21:27] <daftykins> i can actually watch some broadcast whilst i'm in the holiday pad!
[21:27] <daftykins> i was checking out some NCIS on Channel 5 HD earlier, what a terrible series :D
[21:27] <diddledan> sneaky
[21:28] <diddledan> haha, I like Abby
[21:28] <diddledan> Abbie?
[21:28] <daftykins> goth-ish one?
[21:28] <diddledan> Abbey?
[21:28] <diddledan> yeah
[21:28] <daftykins> i remember a mate telling me she's actually ancient but looks young
[21:29] <diddledan> the actress is Pauley Parette
[21:30] <diddledan> if you wanna google her
[21:30] <daftykins> Paulie Parrot?
[21:30] <diddledan> though that is illegal in some places
[21:42] <diddledan> gotta love a good bum
[21:48] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/V_NpeRSnldI
[21:48] <daftykins> made another vid of my shower room works
[22:09] <penguin42> diddledan: She spits opinions pretty heavily people either like or hate her
[22:11] <penguin42> l
[22:11] <diddledan> m
[22:13] <daftykins> n
[22:13] <diddledan> o
[22:28] <daftykins> p
[22:48] <sebsebseb> ok portugal won
[22:49] <sebsebseb> and didnt know nhs had a cyber attack
[22:49] <daftykins> yip, XP flaw taken advantage of
[22:50] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yeah probably
[22:50] <sebsebseb> they saying was a virus on bbc news
[22:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Good look when they go after the Intel MEI problems
[22:50] <sebsebseb> and what os tends to get viruses
[22:50] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: oh that'll be fun
[22:51] <daftykins> well 'virus' is the wrong word
[22:51] <penguin42> it self-spread didn't it?
[22:51] <daftykins> that's a worm
[22:51] <daftykins> or have i got things backwards today :D
[22:52] <daftykins> ah no it is a worm
[22:52] <penguin42> ah yes, it's not embedded in anything else
[22:53] <sebsebseb> yeah bbc news just said was a worm
[22:53] <sebsebseb> ramsonware even
[22:53] <MartijnVdS> ransomworm
[22:53] <sebsebseb> and that some nhs computers use old oses
[22:53] <daftykins> did you not know that? :>
[22:54] <sebsebseb> yep they should have at least upgraded to windows 7 a few years back really
[22:54] <daftykins> well they're one of the biggest places that's tied to crappy old ActiveX plugin based stuff in IE on XP i think
[22:54] <sebsebseb> daftykins: i know they have been paying millions to keep xp suported for longer
[22:55] <daftykins> well did, amusingly they cut that off in 2015 i read today - in order to save money
[22:55] <sebsebseb> oh?
[22:55] <sebsebseb> link?
[22:55] <daftykins> i read that earlier on my phone, so i've not got any way to share that - but i think it was on the register
[22:56] <sebsebseb> if they had better it people would have switched to linux possibly instead, but the uk is behind and sucky for it
[22:56] <sebsebseb> the germans may have swtchd to linux
[22:57] <daftykins> nah y'see the software is their problem, they'd have to have so much redeveloped to switch OS - and you know what all modern IT projects are like :D
[22:57] <daftykins> come in way late, over budget and non-functional
[22:57] <sebsebseb> true
[22:58] <sebsebseb> but maybe 7 with some kind of xp programs compatability?
[22:58] <daftykins> that only ever worked through Virtual PC tech, so useless - wouldn't have changed the outcome there
[22:59] <sebsebseb> well vms can be offline
[23:00] <daftykins> i'd always heard that the software being tied to IE's ActiveX plugins means it's web based, so needs network connectivity to function
[23:00] <daftykins> you have to bear in mind that if the answer was that simple then they'd have done it :>
[23:00] <sebsebseb> well  an intranet or  something maybe instead of internet?
[23:01] <daftykins> lol.
[23:01] <daftykins> you really don't work in IT do you? ;)
[23:01] <sebsebseb> daftykins: I know its not so simple some stuff
[23:02] <sebsebseb> daftykins: but for certain things they will make excuses not to upgrade as well
[23:02] <sebsebseb> or change software
[23:02] <sebsebseb> in any organisaion
[23:02] <daftykins> probably just comes down to money for the NHS
[23:02] <sebsebseb> daftykins: remember Internet Explorer 6 being default for years, despite things like firefox being better
[23:03] <sebsebseb> now some organisations or at  elast librarires and such, provide browser choice
[23:03] <penguin42> it's not just NHS - a lot of orgs really dont like upgrading; I've heard of banks that run mainframe hardware that's so old it's out of maintenance and they were buying spares on ebay
[23:04] <sebsebseb> penguin42: canonical know it to, so ubuntu 12.04 esm
[23:05] <daftykins> esm? EOL you mean?
[23:06] <sebsebseb> what did you miss that news?
[23:06] <sebsebseb> extended support maintinance for paying customers
[23:06] <sebsebseb> it will get updates for at least two more years
[23:06] <daftykins> oh that, nah i just didn't recognise that acronym
[23:06] <sebsebseb> for paying customers
[23:07] <sebsebseb> eol for everyone else though yeah
[23:07] <daftykins> as it should be :>
[23:07] <sebsebseb> its  similar to what Microsoft did with xp really
[23:07] <sebsebseb> except i dont think these companies are paying millions to keep  ubuntu  updated for longer :d
[23:07] <daftykins> sebsebseb: you're not teaching me anything i don't already know XD
[23:07] <daftykins> you're the one that thought VMs can save the NHS XD
[23:08] <sebsebseb> i didnt say that
[23:08] <sebsebseb> i just said for some things could maybe be used
[23:08] <sebsebseb> but i didnt say vms orignaly
[23:08] <daftykins> it was roughly as bad a claim as that :>
[23:08] <sebsebseb> just some way to get old software woring maybe... anyway
[23:09] <sebsebseb> i think  munich did the right kind of choice all those years back, although apprnatly they have gone windows now
[23:09] <penguin42> daftykins: Hmm well ... you could stuff XP inside a VM with a set of iptables rules that dropped the known bad SMB packets?
[23:10] <daftykins> you'd do that at the network layer, there'd be no need for the virtualisation element
[23:10] <daftykins> yeah i keep hearing Munich are planning on voting MS back in
[23:10] <penguin42> daftykins: yes I'd heard that as well
[23:10] <daftykins> that'll be a big lose for the ol' Linux-in-business argument
[23:10] <daftykins> *loss
[23:10] <sebsebseb> yeaah
[23:10] <penguin42> daftykins: Do the switches normally have that level of filtering ability?
[23:12] <daftykins> well in the case of the issue reported they spoke of disabling SMB v1, but i don't think XP even supported newer
[23:12] <daftykins> think v2 came out with Vista
[23:14] <penguin42> I guess someone could suggest rolling out a lot of VDI type things to clean this mess up - move all the old desktops back into a VM host, old hardware stays where it is running a thin client
[23:15] <daftykins> don't think that does anything to sort the problem, if they are married to XP due to old software still
[23:16] <daftykins> wow Alien vs. Predator on Channel 4 HD
[23:18] <sebsebseb> daftykins: why wow
[23:19] <daftykins> mostly it's been over 10 years since i used any broadcast service with one of my own TVs, so it's weird messing with freeview :>
[23:20] <daftykins> i'm living in a holiday apartment right now whilst my house is worked on for insurance reasons
[23:20] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[23:22] <daftykins> you can't even get ITV in HD on freeview over here 'cause they didn't want to pay to broadcast it on the islands XD
[23:22] <sebsebseb> oh
[23:24] <penguin42> not that you're missing much
[23:25] <daftykins> :D nah i can't say i'm going to race home once the work is complete and pay for a TV license, before sorting some kinda service


[13:21] <mup> Bug #1464864 opened: enlist_userdata determines host from eth0 only <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464864>
[13:45] <mup> Bug #1464866 opened: Unable to commission node which needs hwe kernel on trusty <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464866>
[13:54] <mup> Bug #1464867 opened: dhcpd dns server unable to modify <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464867>
[14:06] <mup> Bug #1464867 changed: dhcpd dns server unable to modify <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464867>
[14:16] <mup> Bug #1464867 opened: dhcpd dns server unable to modify <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464867>
[18:37] <mup> Bug #1464894 opened: Crash in TFTP server code serving UEFI boot loader <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464894>


[10:10] <Kilos-> helloooo africa
[13:18] <theShirbiny> Hii Kilos-
[13:18] <theShirbiny> How are you?
[13:18] <Kilos-> ok ty theShirbiny and you?
[13:19] <theShirbiny> All good here :)
[13:19] <Kilos> :-)


[02:09] <grega_> Sup
[02:09] <grega_> Hey
[02:10] <mead> hello
 Hii
 hello folks
 ehm... concerning Lubuntu 18.10, I didn't use it for quite some time and I can't find the nm-tray icon. apparently I cannot add it to the panel for some reason... can someone please help me?
[09:34] <guiverc_d> AlfXLogic - I may not be able, but on my system (19.04) I don't see a nm-try icon listed in the "Configure Panel"  (in the list of widgets), but it's there (on my system) and I do see "Network monitor" as a widget I can add.
[09:35] <guiverc_d> AlfXLogic I just added "Network Monitor" - it only provided stats of the network, so it's not what you want.
[09:36] <guiverc_d> it could be you've harcdoded your network addresses, and thus disabled 'nm' - but that's guess
 no I didn't hardcode anything, I just changed the basic layout in october right after the installation
 thanks for your reply
[09:50] <guiverc_d> AlFXLogic: I can't find the exact detail for nm in my setup (I don't know the files sorry), but my best guess is ~/.config/lxqt/ (and panel.conf - but I can't see what causes it to show in mine sorry, so no answer)
 @AlFXLogic [no I didn't hardcode anything, I just changed the basic layout in october right …], Check if it installed. You can run it manually. Then go to session config and see if it's check for startup
 How do I check that?
 @AlFXLogic [How do I check that?], apt list nm-tray
 Hi guys. how can i install my amd r5 m430 graphic card in lubuntu? is it possible even? last time i have destroyed my os and i reinstall it! thanks.
[19:58] <acer> hola
[22:58] <tko1977> Anyone have screen resizing issues when running lubuntu in Virtualbox?
[22:59] <tko1977> The display utility doesn't set my screen width. When I save it to the correct resolution and reboot I get a black screen
 tko1977 are you using virtualbox-extras?
 VirtualBox guest additions
[23:00] <tko1977> lubot: oh that. OK
[23:02] <tko1977> I had to reinstall my virtualbox and I don't think guest additions were preserved. I'll install guest additions.
[23:09] <tko1977> i thought it was a problem with XrandR or something. Forgot about guest additions
[23:33] <tko1977> lubot: works. Thanks!


[00:01] <land0> This must be a very exciting time for you all here. :)
[00:01] <land0> I have an idea for a very brandable slogan to market the crap out of Ubuntu!
[00:01] <land0> Maybe someone has already thought of this
[00:02] <land0> It is simple and effective at the same time
[00:02] <land0> without bashing or negativity
[00:02] <land0> Enough preamble
[00:02] <land0> Here it is
[00:03] <land0> "You want to Ubuntu"
[00:03] <land0> Personally I think is is good enough to be the defacto slogan for Ubuntu
[00:04] <Flannel> land0: Besides "Linux for human beings"?
[00:04] <land0> It says what it means ans is fits with the broader concept of the true meaning of Ubuntu.
[00:04] <land0> Yes that is very good no doubt.
[00:05] <land0> But surely new ideas are welcome no?
[00:05] <land0> think of it like a marketing campaign.
[00:05] <land0> The defacto stuff is just me marketing my idea. ;)
[00:05] <land0> T-shirts
[00:06] <land0> Bumper stickers
[00:06] <land0> anyway
[00:06] <land0> That was it. Take it or leave it. :D
[00:07] <Flannel> land0: Do we want to make Ubuntu into a verb?  (Not being critical, just that question comes to mind)
[00:08] <land0> More like a household name. :)
[00:08] <land0> There could be variations on this as well
[00:08] <land0> such as You need to Ubuntu
[00:08] <land0> You'll love to Ubuntu
[00:10] <land0> As far as a verb I am thinking of what Desmond TuTu said about what Ubuntu is. It is more of a concept that means many things it is bigger than just a word itself.
[00:11] <land0> anyway gotta run. I appreciate the feed back
[00:11] <land0> If anyone runs with it great if not great
[00:11] <land0> :D
[00:12] <land0> Oh and keep up the good work. :)


[19:07] <mahen> hi everyone
[19:21] <duanedesign> mahen: hello
[19:21] <mahen> hi duane
[20:02] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: this session looks very popular https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-encouraging-game-development/
[20:02] <duanedesign> might need to move it to a bigger room :P
[20:03] <kklimonda_> duanedesign: heh, I have a feeling that this is going to be a very heated discussion ;)
[21:10] <kklimonda_> hmm, how can I stop syncing some folder ($HOME/Pictures to be exact) but keep the data on server?
[21:11] <kklimonda_> unchecking the "Synchronize this folder" option removed all files from U1 servers :/
[21:12] <duanedesign> unsubscribe
[21:12] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder
[21:20] <kklimonda_> ah, thanks
[21:21] <kklimonda_> duanedesign: are you already in Orlando/
[21:59] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: was just finishing up some stuff around the house
[22:00] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: watering the plants, putting timers on someof the lights so they come on while i am gone, etc
[22:00] <kklimonda_> bah, I've just finished washering dishes and now should probably get some sleep..
[22:00] <kklimonda_> but I'm not tired at all :/
[22:04] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: yeah going to be hard to sleep, i am excited
[22:05] <kklimonda_> yeah, excited -.-
[22:05] <kklimonda_> I'm actually terrified ;)
[22:05] <kklimonda_> but that's a standard for me a day before trip anyway
[22:05] <kklimonda_> but yeah, I'm also excited
[22:56] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: i will see you there
[22:56] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: have a safe trip
[22:56] <kklimonda_> duanedesign: so have you. see ya :)
[22:58] <duanedesign> kklimonda_: looks like you get in about 10p, local time
[22:58] <duanedesign> ill look for you
[22:59] <kklimonda_> ok :)
[22:59] <duanedesign> o/