[00:41] <Manfre> give the following situation, I create a local branch, make changes and push those back up to lp, then some one else branches my changes and then pushing those back up to the same lp branch, how do I update my local branch without needing to do a merge?
[00:41] <hmeland> bzr pull?
[00:42] <jelmer> colbrac, still there?
[00:42] <colbrac>  yes
[00:43] <Manfre> Just tried bzr pull and got "Bazaar has encountered an internal error"
[00:43] <Manfre> i guess i'll use the work around of delete local branch and rebranch
[00:43] <bob2> well, that's a bug (or corruption), but bzr pull is generally what you want
[00:43] <colbrac> jelmer: ja
[00:43] <Odd_Bloke> Manfre: Could you pastebin the error, please?
[00:43] <Odd_Bloke> ubottu: paste
[00:44] <jelmer> colbrac: Just wanted to say thanks for the patches to bzr-gtk you sent over the last week or so.
[00:44] <colbrac> :) No problem
[00:45] <jelmer> colbrac: I'll see if I can review and merge some of them during the next couple of days
[00:45] <colbrac> It's kind of 'wetting my feet' in the world of gtk programming
[00:45] <jelmer> Ah :-)
[00:45] <colbrac> start with the launch fix :)
[00:45] <Manfre> Odd_bloke: http://pastebin.com/d54356310
[00:46] <Manfre> sorry, it was the bzr status call after the pull that caused problems
[00:46] <Manfre> ...potentially
[00:46] <colbrac> jelmer: and I try to use Olive in 'production'.. so deficiencies stand out :)
[00:48] <Odd_Bloke> Manfre: That error looks familiar.  I'm fairly sure it's been fixed in bzr.dev...
[00:49] <bob2> #235657
[00:49] <jelmer> colbrac: Yeah, that helps
[00:49] <jelmer> colbrac: Personally, I try to use nautilus-bzr on a regular basis
[00:50] <bob2> though, you seemed to have pulled and merged the same branch - maybe undoing the merge will unconfuse bzr
[00:50] <Odd_Bloke> Manfre: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/235407
[00:50] <colbrac> jelmer: Good for you guys I didn't try to use nautilus-bzr yet. ;)
[00:50] <jelmer> (-:
[00:51] <colbrac> jelmer: I started on a pure PyGTK version of the olive gui.. I hope that sounds interesting?
[00:51] <jelmer> colbrac, what do you mean by that exactly?
[00:52] <colbrac> a OliveGui class that builds the main window instead of the glade one
[00:52] <Manfre> thanks Odd_bloke
[00:52] <colbrac> so self.vbox.add(menubar) etc
[00:52] <colbrac> :P
[00:52] <Odd_Bloke> Manfre: No problem.
[00:52] <jelmer> colbrac: Ahh, yeah, that is certainly interesting
[00:53] <colbrac> lp:~colbrac/bzr-gtk/noglade
[00:53] <colbrac> still very rough of course etc etc
[00:53] <jelmer> colbrac: Submitting that in small (but still usable) portions will probably help it being merged quickly, rather than a single big patch
[00:53] <colbrac> well..
[00:54] <colbrac> I can make it such that it can be a drop in replacement of the glade one
[00:54] <colbrac> I think at least :P
[00:54] <ToyKeeper> If my viz changes are accepted, that scratches most of my bzr gui itches.  :)
[00:55] <colbrac> ToyKeeper: Did you play around with the diff positioning?
[00:55] <colbrac> The unsorted bookmarks were a big itch for me personally. :)
[00:55] <ToyKeeper> Yeah, I haven't been able to find a layout I like better.
[00:56] <ToyKeeper> The main change I'd still like to see is a way to view all branches in a repo at once, using viz.
[00:56] <colbrac> jelmer: I don't really know how a full GUI can be merged in in bits..
[00:56] <jelmer> colbrac, there are different windows in olive for example
[00:56] <colbrac> oh that..
[00:56] <jelmer> it makes sense to convert one window at a time
[00:56] <colbrac> I did that
[00:56] <jelmer> and merge that separately
[00:57] <colbrac> it's 1 big patch but with commits per dialog
[00:57] <jelmer> I agree the main window is probably pretty hard to convert in stages
[00:57] <Odd_Bloke> ToyKeeper: +1 on the all branches view.
[00:57] <colbrac> most of the dialogs are done already
[00:57] <colbrac> only that info dialog looks hard so I didn't try it yet
[00:58] <colbrac> The olive dialogs cleanup -take3 message in the bzr-gtk list
[01:15] <jelmer> Odd_Bloke, still there?
[01:23] <colbrac> jelmer: I now have all widgets of the glade olive main window in a OliveGui class. Only to paste in the right signals and figure out how to properly reference the icons :)
[01:42] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: Yeah, though I suspect you may be gone by now. :)
[01:48] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: Now I'm going to bed, so it'll have to wait until the morning.
[01:59] <mwhudson> is bzr really going to be released with a repo format called
[02:00] <mwhudson> 'Bazaar development format 1 with subtree support (needs bzr.dev from before 1.6)\n'
[02:00] <mwhudson> ?
[03:05] <abentley> mwhudson: I hope not.
[03:06] <mwhudson> abentley: good good
[03:29]  * igc lunch
[04:42] <brmassa> guys, is there a program that tracks a CVS repo and imports the changes to bzr and the other way round?
[04:44] <mwhudson> cvs->bzr yes
[04:44] <mwhudson> not the other way
[04:45] <fullermd> Going either way is probably doable.  Both at the same time is another story.
[04:45] <brmassa> mwhudson: so its not possible to commit to a bazaar branch and it replicates/pings the CVS?
[04:46] <AfC> You can always do the "Create a Bazaar branch inside the CVS checkout and manually shuttle changes back and forth between the two systems"
[04:46] <AfC> Manual
[04:47] <brmassa> AfC: hmmm not quite what i had in mind. well... np them.
[07:06]  * mwhudson waves https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/248604 around
[07:13] <stewart> hi! i'm trying to "bzr merge" from a file that contains a merge directive - and i get  "bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.NoSuchRevision: KnitPackRepository('file:///home/stewart/mysql/.bzr/repository/') has no revision ('volpato@cajarana-20080715052545-2fu5im6ll8o2jr6x',)"
[07:13] <stewart> now... does this mean the merge directive is incomplete, corrupt? against a tree i don't have?
[07:13] <stewart> or a bzr bug
[07:14] <lifeless> stewart: it means it was made against a rev you don't have - probably something in the 6.0 trunk to some such
[07:15] <stewart> lifeless: ahh.. okay. the error message could probably be nicer (or at least on the same screen :)
[07:15] <stewart> it's like 3 pages of python backtrace up
[07:15] <lifeless> stewart: ouch; cxare to file a bug ?
[07:15] <stewart> can do
[07:17]  * stewart field bug... waits for magic irc bot to say it's done
[08:45] <igc> night all
[08:46] <gour> igc: night
[09:19] <lifeless> poolie: ping
[09:34] <Odd_Bloke> Moin.
[09:40] <kiorky> hello, with bzr svn, is this possible to use local svn check outs as a start ?
[09:40] <lifeless> kiorky: yes
[09:40] <kiorky> lifeless: do you have any clue or pointer on how to do that?
[09:41] <lifeless> kiorky: cd to the checkout, start running bzr commands
[09:41]  * AfC does that rather frequently, not always wanting to import everything and therefore not needing to use bzr-svn et al
[09:43] <kiorky> then how can i map the svn/bzr thing for commiting back to the svn repo?
[09:43] <kiorky> when i commit on bzr
[09:43] <kiorky> s/commit/push/
[09:44] <lifeless> kiorky: 'bzr checkout svn://url FOO; cd FOO; bzr merge BZRBRANCH; bzr commit'
[09:44] <lifeless> kiorky: (you need a bzr native tree to do merges in (as far as I  know, jelmer may know more)
[09:46] <kiorky> lifeless: ha, i dont know if i was clear on what i wanted to do. I have a svn co somewhere , telling its in "foo", but not yet bzr stuff. Rather than doing bzr co svn://myuri FOO, i want to use bzr inside the svn's foo one directly, saving me from co-time as i have it allready
[09:47] <lifeless> kiorky: you can do that, but as far as I know you can't run one specific bzr command - merge - because svn checkouts don't have a place to store pending merge data
[09:49] <kiorky> lifeless: so the only way to go is to co again?
[09:49] <lifeless> kiorky: yes. but once you have done that you can branch locally from it and it won't have to fetch it over the network again
[09:57] <Odd_Bloke> ubottu: paste
[09:58] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: ?
[10:04] <Odd_Bloke> lifeless: I was going to paste something, then changed my mind. :)
[10:05] <lifeless> Odd_Bloke: :)
[10:07] <jelmer> 'morning
[10:08] <lifeless> jelmer: can you bzr merge in a svn co?
[10:09] <jelmer> lifeless, no, since there
[10:09] <jelmer> *since it's not possible for merge to pull revisions into the local repository
[10:10] <jelmer> Odd_Bloke, still there?
[10:10] <lifeless> jelmer: righto
[10:11] <lifeless> jelmer: could create a pending-merge micro-repo :)
[10:12] <jelmer> lifeless, yes, but that requires me to detect how the repo is being used
[10:12] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: Yup.
[10:12] <lifeless> jelmer: I mean in e.g. .svn/pending-merges-repo
[10:40] <abentley> lifeless: did you see bug 248506?
[10:41] <lifeless> abentley: no I hadn't
[10:42] <abentley> I tried to figure out the exact issue, but I got a little lost.  Can Packer use a fallback repository?
[10:43] <kiorky> jelmer: uhm i get problems
[10:43] <kiorky> jelmer: ImportError: cannot import name make_file_factory
[10:43] <kiorky> jelmer: with svn 1.5, and its binding, bzr1.6 or 1.5 and the stable branch
[10:43] <lifeless> abentley: no, what I was thinking was to use the generic VF implementation when pulling into a stacked environment; it should perform m~= these days
[10:44] <kiorky> jelmer: (when doing bzr svn-import URI)
[10:44] <abentley> lifeless: The current implementation is using Packer for fetch, so that appears to be why it's failing.
[10:45] <kiorky> jelmer: http://www.friendpaste.com/SLCdppAS
[10:51] <lifeless> abentley: I suggest doing a check that neither source nor target have fallback repos in the interpackrepo thing
[10:53] <kiorky> lifeless: do you have any idea on my import problem? ABI changed ?
[10:54] <lifeless> kiorky: svn wbzr-svn head needs bzr.dev head
[10:54] <kiorky> lifeless: Ha ok :)
[10:56] <kiorky> lifeless: there is no way to have svn integration with stable releases ? (even with previous version or bzr svn)
[11:03] <lifeless> kiorky: yes, but you can't use the head of the branch, you need some commits back; jelmer: ^^
[11:03] <lifeless> kiorky: (I really want bzr-svn in the ppa to address this, its being discussed on list at the moment)
[11:06] <kiorky> lifeless: another thing im now using bzr head
[11:06] <kiorky> lifeless: but now i cant authenticate with the svn repo
[11:06] <kiorky> it just fails :p
[11:06] <lifeless> kiorky: if you are using bzr head, then bzr-svn head should work - but you'll need to run make in the bzr-svn dir
[11:06] <kiorky> lifeless: i mean there is maybe some configuration spoemwhere to get the crendentials info?
[11:06] <kiorky> lifeless: yep, that what i had done
[11:07] <kiorky> now, on import, i cant authenticate :)
[11:23] <kiorky> lifeless: jelmer uhm, i dont suceed in making bzr svn-import run
[11:24] <kiorky> either i get authenticate problems, or when i put the creds in the url i get : "RROR: Not a branch:"
[11:25] <kiorky> even on non auth'd enabled servers
[11:25] <kiorky> (i tried to co the svn repo)
[11:35] <lifeless> kiorky: hi, have you checked the FAQ?
[13:10] <Necoro> hey - I've a project - and I deleted a file about 100revs ago.
[13:10] <Necoro> Is there a way to get it back, w/o having to scan through history manually looking for the revision where I deleted it?
[13:11] <LeoNerd> Maybe  bzr log path/to/file  will find you the commit where you removed it?
[13:12] <Necoro> nope
[13:12] <pygi> Necoro, "bzr revert file" might work
[13:12] <pygi> not 100% sure tho
[13:13] <Necoro> pygi: bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned =/
[13:14] <pygi> eh, yes, that's only for non-commited stuff
[13:14]  * pygi thinks
[13:15] <Necoro> hmm ... ok ... "bzr diff -r1.." at least gives me the date where I deleted it =)
[13:17] <Necoro> hmm ... no
[13:17] <pygi> Necoro, bzr revert -r123 some_file should actually do the trick
[13:17] <fullermd> You need to "revert -r<rev_before_deleted>" to bring it back.
[13:17] <pygi> as long as you know the revision
[13:17] <Necoro> but I do not know the revision ;) - that's the problem
[13:17] <fullermd> But there's no way to find the rev other than "log -v | less ; <search for filename>
[13:17] <Necoro> I just could use "-r1" but don't know I changed something in between -r1 and -r$deleted
[13:18] <bob2> bzr log should be ablt to take a file id
[13:22] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: You could use the bisect plugin.
[13:23] <lifeless> Necoro: bzr revert -r -100 FOO
[13:23] <lifeless> Necoro: or bzr log -v | less, then /filename
[13:26] <Necoro> lifeless: the latter one works :) - though it isn't as automagic as I thought ;)
[13:27] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: If you branch http://bzr.daniel-watkins.co.uk/bisect/automated/ into ~/.plugins/bisect and then do 'bzr bisect run stat <filename>'.
[13:30] <Necoro> Odd_Bloke: can't branch from inside the company (damn proxy/firewall -.-) ... is there a difference to the lp:bzr-bisect ?
[13:38] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: Yeah, there is.  Would it help if I pushed it to LP?
[13:39] <Necoro> yes - this would be really helpful - because from LP i can branch using bzr+ssh - so there is no HTTP-Proxy in the way doing stupid things :)
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/bzr-bisect/automated
[13:41] <awilkins> Yegods, my sysadmins are morons.
[13:41] <awilkins> "Hey, poke a hole in the firewall to let SSH in or I'll have to set up a relatively insecure WSGI gateway app"
[13:42] <awilkins> "I'm sorry, we can't do that for security reasons"£
[13:42]  * awilkins slaps forehead
[13:43] <_paneb> is there a way to see the parent of a branch?
[13:43] <_paneb> (i am about to do bzr merge)
[13:44] <Necoro> Odd_Bloke: thanks - branching worked ;) - but running the command yields: http://rafb.net/p/ZDDJkI98.html
[13:45] <Necoro> or do I have to do certain things before I'm able to run it?
[13:45] <bob2> _paneb: bzr info?
[13:45] <_paneb> ok
[13:47] <Necoro> and btw:  bzr bisect deletes uncommitted changes w/o notice ;)
[13:50] <awilkins> Necoro: That's a bug ; needs reporting
[13:53] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: Apologies, I didn't realise.
[13:54] <Necoro> Odd_Bloke: no problem - nothing lost which can't be reproduced using zsh history ^^
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> And I probably meant 'bzr bisect run "stat <filename"'.
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: ^
[13:56] <Necoro> Odd_Bloke:  http://rafb.net/p/Q9POdw13.html ... still not works
[13:56] <Necoro> oh - wrong paste
[13:57] <Necoro> that's the one -> http://rafb.net/p/MrtUS580.html
[13:59] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: OK, you actually want the opposite of what stat does.  I'm not sure of the best way to do that.
[14:01] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: Try 'bzr bisect run "test ! -e <filename>"'.
[14:02] <Necoro> Odd_Bloke: wohoo :) works
[14:03] <Odd_Bloke> \o/
[14:03] <Necoro> thanks a lot :)
[14:03] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: No worries.  It's nice to finally have a real-life use case for that stuff. :)
[14:04] <Necoro> hehe =D
[14:07] <Necoro> do you think it is possible to put this in one command? - so like: bzr undelete <filename> ?
[14:13] <Odd_Bloke> Necoro: I would imagine that'd be possible in a plugin, but I'm not sure if it's a common-enough use case for much more than that...
[14:15] <lifeless> Necoro: I think we should make getting at the file more easy
[14:15] <lifeless> Necoro: 'bzr revert -r xxx foo' *is* undelete already
[14:16] <lifeless> Necoro: so, I think a mode to revert to search for a file, or some means to search for it would bbe sufficient
[14:20]  * pygi thinks that might be god way to contribute something :)
[14:23]  * fullermd imagines "bzr path-history <path>"...
[14:36] <lifeless> fullermd: bzr search path
[14:54] <Necoro> lifeless: that's true -- but plugins aren't able to overload existing commands, are they?
[15:02] <LarstiQ> Necoro: they are
[15:02] <Necoro> ok :)
[15:02] <LarstiQ> Necoro: but that can be problematic if you have more than one plugin trying to override the default
[15:09] <awilkins> I think some of the builtins could stand being refactored into multiple routines that you could overload in plugins
[15:10] <awilkins> Or even provide extension points for them
[15:18] <lifeless> awilkins: indeed
[15:23] <Peng> Getting information for AnnotateUI:<PHONE_NUMBER>7807922 secs :D
[15:24] <Peng> Hmm, how do you do a graceful shutdown of Loggerhead?
[15:24] <Peng> I managed to shut it down in the middle of a request.
[15:27] <lifeless> Peng: no idea sorry
[15:30] <awilkins> Can bzr+http:// do certificate authentication?
[15:31] <Peng> My question is probably more of a Paste question anyway.
[15:31] <lifeless> awilkins: vila: knows
[15:31] <lifeless> vila: do we have docs for easy answers on this
[15:32] <Peng> I hit Ctrl+C, and it did a mostly graceful shutdown: that 118 seconds request actually completed several seconds after all of the other worker threads had been shut down. But then the web server log reports a second request came in at the same time and got dropped on the floor.
[15:32] <uws> Hmm. bzr just ate ALL my RAM
[15:32] <uws> almost all 1280 MB of it
[15:32] <awilkins> I should learn to open my beak less on the "security" issue
[15:32] <vila> no, but hopefully I will address that soon (when I get back from vacations in 3 1/2 weeks :)
[15:32] <awilkins> vila: Can it do digest?
[15:32] <Peng> Is Python's SSL support smart enough to do that?
[15:32] <vila> awilkins: if you use the pycurl http implementation it will verify certificates
[15:33] <awilkins> vila: Server, yes, client also?
[15:33] <vila> awilkins: digest is supported
[15:34] <vila> awilkins: client certificates ? No. But I'd like to add that too once urllib https implementation knows how to do server certificate verification (including option for self-certified)
[15:34] <awilkins> Ok then, guess I'm going with digest for the time being :-)
[15:35] <uws> jelmer: bzr-svn eats all my memory
[15:35] <Peng> uws: What version?
[15:35] <uws> jelmer: Can I convert a large SVN repo to bzr+svn stuff in chunks?
[15:36] <Peng> uws: Yes. I always do that.
[15:36] <uws> 0.4.10
[15:36] <awilkins> uws: Yes, I wrote a script to do it 1000 revs at a time
[15:36] <uws> I had to hard-reset my machine
[15:36] <uws> Is there a way I can "continue" the previous branching/
[15:37] <uws> I'm using a repos --rich-root-pack and branched http://...../trunk into "project.trunk"
[15:37] <awilkins> uws: cd project.trunk ; bzr pull http://.....trunk
[15:38] <uws> webkit is quite a large project ;)
[15:39] <Peng> uws: The next version of bzr-svn (possibly paired with svn 1.5) will leak a lot less.
[15:39] <uws> I already run svn 1.5.0
[15:39] <awilkins> uws : https://launchpad.net/projects/?text=webkit
[15:42] <uws> awilkins: Hmmm. How can i branch that?
[15:43] <uws> awilkins: bzr branch lp:~vcs-imports/webkit-open-source/trunk  doesn't work
[15:44] <uws> awilkins: ah, it's not imported it seems https://code.launchpad.net/webkit-open-source
[15:45] <awilkins> Ah well, it was a good try :-)_
[15:45] <uws> so where's that rev pulling thingy?
[15:46] <awilkins> uws: It's a powershell script, you probably don't want that ; it's not hard, write a loop, initialise a value with the output of bzr revno, add a few hundred, and pull up to that value.
[15:57] <uws> awilkins: this'll do for now hopefull:      for revno in $(seq 100 1000 35000 ); do bzr pull --verbose svn+http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/trunk -r $revno; done
[16:23] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: When are you going to be arriving on Wednesday?
[18:43] <andresj> hey how do I get the latest bzr-svn for Ubuntu? The currently available is bzr-svn0.4.9, and its not compatible with bzr1.5... Can anybody add it to the PPA?
[18:46] <ToyKeeper> andresj: I know this isn't the greatest answer, but you could branch the latest versions from launchpad and use bzr.dev.
[18:47] <andresj> ToyKeeper: I don't really know what you mean. :P
[18:48] <ToyKeeper> Basically, you could install from source instead of a .deb.  But I don't know enough about your situation to know if this is appropriate.
[18:49] <andresj> ToyKeeper: oh well I guess I could do that... but is there really no bzr-svn package available?
[18:50] <ToyKeeper> There may be a newer one in debian/testing or debian/unstable, and possibly in a PPA.
[18:52] <ToyKeeper> I just havent looked, since I want the latest bzr.dev to make patches against.  It's easier for me to 'bzr pull' updates than install packages.
[18:53] <andresj> oh haha ok :) no i dont develop bzr :P   well I guess i'll keep looking or if not install from source. thanks ToyKeeper :)
[18:56] <ToyKeeper> andresj: If you decide to go that way, the "Run from source directory" section here may help: http://bazaar-vcs.org/InstallationFaq
[18:56] <andresj> ToyKeeper: allright thanks I'll check it out :)
[18:56] <ToyKeeper> You can run bzr.dev and every plugin (that I've tried) from source dirs, without needing to actually install them.  Just add a symlink and it's done.
[18:56] <lifeless> andresj: we're working on the PPA; the list has the current status
[18:58] <andresj> lifeless: oh cool where is the list? :)
[18:59] <andresj> ToyKeeper: oh wow thats cool this is one of the few programs that can do that in my expierence :D
[19:02] <ToyKeeper> In some cases, running "make" is also required.  (including bzr-svn)  And you'll of course need to provide any dependencies.
[19:02] <andresj> of course :)
[19:41] <lakshmanan> i have a problem with bazaar while pushing my changes to the launchpad branch.... thisis the error message   bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[19:42] <lakshmanan> i have a problem with bazaar while pushing my changes to the launchpad branch.... thisis the error message   bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[19:42] <beuno> lakshmanan, have you done:  bzr launchpad-login your_username?
[19:43] <lakshmanan> but the error messge is somthing different...
[19:43] <beuno> lakshmanan, yes, that error message is because you're trying to push through http
[19:43] <lakshmanan> ok.. so what should i do
[19:43] <beuno> you're probablt using lp:location
[19:43] <beuno> lakshmanan, what's your username in Launchpad?
[19:44] <lakshmanan> i enter an email id to login my account
[19:44] <beuno> lakshmanan, right, but you should also have a username
[19:45] <lakshmanan> there are two names.. that i have given.. one is display name ->lakshmanan and the other is just a name(as i see in my 'change details' page) -> lak89
[19:46] <beuno> lakshmanan, is this you?  https://launchpad.net/~lak89
[19:46] <lakshmanan> yes
[19:46] <beuno> if it is, then, run:  bzr launchpad-login lak89
[19:47] <beuno> what exact command are you using to push?
[19:48] <lakshmanan> i use bzr push <branch location>
[19:48] <luks> <branch location> is the important part you should paste :)
[19:50] <lakshmanan> beuno, i ran bzr launchpad-login lak89.... it didn't say anythng... my prompt came back
[19:51] <lakshmanan> beuno, i did paste the branch location correctly
[19:51] <beuno> lakshmanan, ok, try pushing now
[19:52] <lakshmanan> beuno,  i did it... it said this "The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
[19:52] <lakshmanan> "
[19:53] <beuno> lakshmanan, say yes  :)
[19:54] <lakshmanan> beuno, bzr: ERROR: Target directory lp:~lak89/getedit/mine already exists, but does not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
[19:54] <lakshmanan> .............this is what it is saying
[19:55] <beuno> lakshmanan, right, do:   bzr push lp:~lak89/getedit/mine --use-existing-dir
[19:55] <beuno> this won't happen from now on, because you've specified your launchpad ID
[19:56] <lakshmanan> beuno, what is the correct way of pushn to a branch.. is this so tedious like this everytime
[19:56] <beuno> lakshmanan, no, again, this happened now because you didn't have your launchpad ID set
[19:56] <beuno> from now on, it's just:  bzr push [location]
[19:57] <lakshmanan> beuno, that is if i use that directory for all the puch operations... what if i move to another directory, initialize bzr and push from there ??
[19:58] <beuno> lakshmanan, this is system-wide
[19:58] <beuno> so it will just be push
[19:58] <beuno> this is a one time thing you have to do
[19:58] <beuno> to use   lp:location   URLs
[19:59] <beuno> having your username set, it uses ssh instead of http, so it can perform write operations
[20:00] <lakshmanan> beuno, ok .. actually what went wrong in my steps... what did/might have do/done wrong in my previous attempts...if any... what should i do from now on
[20:01] <beuno> lakshmanan, from now on, just use:  bzr push location
[20:01] <lakshmanan> beuno, ok... but everytime.. i restart... should i set this username thing
[20:02] <beuno> you didn't have launchpad-login specified, and you had already tried to push via http, which creates an empty dir (it's a bug in Launchpad), so you have to specify the --use-existing-dir flag
[20:02] <beuno> lakshmanan, you will have to specify that again if you reinstall, or use it from a different user on the system
[20:02] <lakshmanan> ok
[20:03] <lakshmanan> brb.. thanks
[20:03] <beuno> welcome'
[20:06] <Kinnison> lifeless: that compression stuff looks very interesting
[20:19] <lifeless> Kinnison: :)
[20:19] <lifeless> Kinnison: play!
[20:22] <Peng> Is it just me, or is the lp branch "pybloom", not "bzr-pybloom"?
[20:23] <Kinnison> lifeless: tempting, but I'm busy writing READMEs and tests for my templating library
[20:23] <dash> what's the current state of bzr-svn? anybody know if bzr-svn 0.4.10 has problems with svn 1.5?
[20:25] <dash> looks like current bzr-svn requires current bzr as well
[20:26] <Peng> Uh, there's an svn 1.5 compatibility branch.
[20:26] <Peng> I don't know much else though.
[20:26] <Peng> And yes, bzr-svn's 0.4 branch requires bzr.dev.
[20:27] <Verterok> dash: are you usign bzr-svn from source?
[20:28] <dash> Verterok: was trying to :)
[20:28] <Verterok> in that case I think you need install the subversion-dev package from your distro
[20:28] <dash> yep, got that
[20:28] <dash> getting an error from libsvn though
[20:28] <Verterok> dash: bzr-svn now provide it's own python bindings to subversion
[20:29] <Verterok> so you need to compile them against your installed subversion
[20:30] <dash> Verterok: even 0.4.10?
[20:30] <Verterok> dash: I don't know, let me check
[20:30] <dash> because i'm not seeing any C files in there
[20:31] <dash> specifically, attempting to branch from an svn url gets me this:
[20:31] <dash> python: /build/buildd/subversion-1.5.0dfsg1/subversion/libsvn_ra/ra_loader.c:973: svn_ra_get_log: `Assertion *path != '/'' failed.
[20:32] <Verterok> dash: I encountered a similar error while trying to build it for Mac OS X
[20:33] <Verterok> dash: are  you building subversion-1.5 from sources?
[20:33] <dash> no
[20:34] <dash> using the package in intrepid
[20:34] <Verterok> dash: I think that error is caused by a minor version number in the subverison build
[20:35] <dash> yeah apparently the api changed in 1.5
[20:35] <dash> guess i'll downgrade
[20:36] <Verterok> dash: bzr-svn branch (0.4) contains the c files
[20:36] <Verterok> dash: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-svn/0.4
[20:37] <dash> yeah I just tried that
[20:37] <dash> it doesn't work with bzr 1.5 though :)
[20:42] <Verterok> dash: time to fill a bug them :)
[20:43] <dash> Verterok: why's that? Peng just said it depends on bzr.dev
[20:45] <Verterok> oh, sorry I missed that
[20:46] <Verterok> dash: I assumed svn-1.5 :P
[20:46] <Peng> Well, I mean, I don't know if it's intentional, but it's the case at the moment.
[20:48] <dash> bzr 1.6 will be along soon enough
[20:48] <dash> I can deal with bzr-svn 0.4.10 until then. :)
[21:19] <dash> hm. so bzr has the idea of a branch attribute called the 'submit branch'. for a workflow that creates branches for specific features/issues, do I understand it correctly to be "the branch this one should be merged into, once it's done"?
[21:35] <pickscrape> Hi, are there any good instructions out there for building debian/ubuntu packages for bzr plugins?
[22:03] <pygi> so folks, welome cheezeburger :)
[22:04] <pygi> a bzr repositories serving tool :)
[22:05]  * pickscrape pricks his ears up
[22:05] <pickscrape> Read-only serving or read/write?
[22:05] <matkor> Does making bzr checkout <remote_branch> downloads full diff history ?
[22:06] <dash> matkor: yes. "bzr checkout --lightweight" does not.
[22:08] <matkor> ok.. is it possible to "cut down" given branch history ? Let's I am only interested to have hisory since given revision (make given revision first one) ?
[22:08] <dash> matkor: 1.6 is going to allow something like that, I believe
[22:08] <dash> 'stacked branches'
[22:14] <pygi> pickscrape, read-write
[22:14] <pygi> pickscrape, it allows easily setting up bzr repositories and access management to them
[22:14] <pickscrape> pygi: does it use the smart server?
[22:14] <pygi> probably yes, still gotta see =)
[22:15] <pygi> it's just an idea I got today, and registered a project
[22:15] <pickscrape> pygi: Then it sounds very interesting indeed.
[22:16] <pickscrape> pygi: I'll watch your project with great interest :)
[22:16] <pygi> :)
[22:18] <pickscrape> Sorry to ask again, but can someone point me at some docs on packaging bzr plugins for debian/ubuntu?
[22:18] <pygi> hmmm
[22:19] <pygi> here's an idea
[22:19] <pygi> apt-get source bla-package
[22:19] <pygi> where bla-package is some bzr plugin, and you can see how it's done
[22:19] <pygi> then if you have any questions, I can probably help
[22:19] <asabil> pygi: where is the code for cheeseburger ?
[22:19] <asabil> :D
[22:20] <pygi> asabil, cheezeburger* :)
[22:20] <pygi> asabil, in my head, does that work for you? xD
[22:20] <asabil> lol
[22:20] <pickscrape> I'm looking in bzr-svn's checkout now, but don't see anything to do with packaging (I'm not at all familiar with debian packages so I really don't know what I'm looking for)
[22:20] <asabil> sorry, cheezeburger
[22:20] <pygi> pickscrape, debian directory
[22:20] <dash> pickscrape: it wouldn't be in the checkout, i bet
[22:20] <chx> heya. here is a challenge. i would like to put my daily database dumps into some RCS. the file is like 10G. Also, I wonder whether there is a way to throw away old revisions after some time
[22:21] <pickscrape> Yeah, there isn't a debian directory here
[22:21] <asabil> pygi: looking forward to see the real thing
[22:21] <dash> pickscrape: that stuff is usually kept as a patch
[22:21] <pygi> asabil, :)
[22:21] <dash> pickscrape: apt-get source will fetch it
[22:21] <pickscrape> dash: thanks, I'll try that out
[22:21] <dash> chx: if you're just versioning a single blob, maybe xdelta or git would serve you better
[22:21] <pygi> chx, ehm, that's not so nice, but ...
[22:21] <chx> not a blob. text file.
[22:21] <chx> i have a LOT of data.
[22:22] <chx> and then some.
[22:22] <pygi> a blob actually is any file :P
[22:22] <chx> okay, okay
[22:22] <dash> chx: question is, what operations do you want to perform
[22:22] <chx> in databases blob is a binary large object ;)
[22:22] <chx> dash: commit
[22:22] <dash> chx: is that all? :)
[22:22] <chx> dash: when the database server dies under every other blue moon , checkout.
[22:22] <pickscrape> dash: thanks, that has revealed it :)
[22:22] <dash> chx: i'd just keep a list of diffs
[22:22] <pygi> asabil, do you have a use case? :)
[22:22] <chx> dash: yes. that's all. and, sometimes it'd be great to throw out old stuff.
[22:23] <dash> chx: yep. you want a backup system, not an RCS :)
[22:23] <chx> well, no
[22:23] <asabil> pygi: it's about hosting/managing/serving bzr branches right ?
[22:23] <chx> An RCS sounds to me like the ideal stuff for this
[22:23] <pygi> asabil, yup
[22:23] <chx> after all
[22:23] <chx> i have a file that grows.
[22:23] <chx> and, if we have the dump in an RCS who knows what useful things we can do?
[22:23] <chx> tag it before a big rollout?
[22:23] <dash> chx: RCSes have to support a lot more operations
[22:23] <chx> why not.
[22:24] <dash> chx: like, not forgetting history :)
[22:24] <chx> dash: I ... know.
[22:24] <asabil> pygi: something like launchpad's bzr support would be just awesome
[22:24] <chx> dash: i know.
[22:24] <chx> dash: i was wondering whether graft would be useable here.. just wondering.
[22:24] <pygi> asabil, it's not any kind of UI, rather just a server side tool
[22:24] <pygi> you got that part, right? :)
[22:25] <asabil> pygi: I would want both :p
[22:25] <pickscrape> pygi: so in a very loose sense, it's like a bzr equivalent of svnserve?
[22:25] <pygi> asabil, I agree, but for UI stuff I need help :P
[22:25] <pygi> pickscrape, ehm, it's something similar to gitosis if you're familiar with it?
[22:25] <asabil> =_=
[22:26] <pickscrape> pygi: I'm not actually. Gave up on git when my head started to melt, came here and haven't really looked back
[22:26] <pickscrape> I'll read up on it though
[22:26] <pygi> pickscrape, lemme get a link for you
[22:26] <pygi> http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way
[22:26] <chx> dash: xdelta...?
[22:27] <pygi> asabil, if you wanna help tho ... :)
[22:28] <asabil> pygi: just design it so that a UI can be added on top
[22:28] <asabil> pygi: I am afraid am really not skilled with UIs
[22:28] <dash> chx: never mind, thought it was a binary
[22:28] <chx> no, no
[22:28] <chx> just a "small" textfiel
[22:29] <chx> that gives me a ton of headaches
[22:29] <pygi> asabil, ofcourse, didn't thought of doing it any other way :)
[22:34]  * pygi goes back to writing some git stuff
[22:44] <tca> I'm running bzr selftest after I added a small patch for a ghost revision problem. How should I know if any of the test breakages are caused by my patch? Run selftest before and after and compare broken tests?
[22:45] <mwhudson> well, 'the tests always pass on trunk'
[22:46] <mwhudson> so if you're seeing failing tests, it's very very likely you introduced them
[22:46] <mwhudson> but i guess running in a pristine bzr.dev branch first would be good to confirm this
[22:46]  * luks would change that to 'the tests usually pass on ubuntu/linux machines'
[22:47] <luks> (with en_* locale)
[22:49] <mwhudson> well, yes
[22:56] <Odd_Bloke> pygi: What do you envisage cheezeburger doing?  And shouldn't it be 'cheezburger'?
[22:58] <colbrac> anybody an idea how to set an icon on a gtk.Window so that it shows up as a big icon in the app switcher (alt-tab)
[22:59] <colbrac> or is this something missing in pygtk?
[23:01] <luks> colbrac: http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwindow.html#method-gtkwindow--set-icon-list ?
[23:03] <pygi> Odd_Bloke, possible, yes, I messed it up :P
[23:04] <jam> luks: and --no-plugins
[23:04] <colbrac> luks: thanks, I've been looking all over that page but this seems worth a try
[23:05] <pygi> Odd_Bloke, well, keeping ssh keys for people who have commit access to some repo, managing access to repos, coordinating with some web interface for bzr repos, and stuff
[23:08] <colbrac> woohoo! That worked :) Olive now has an icon in the switcher :D
[23:10] <Odd_Bloke> pygi: Do you mean repos or branches?
[23:11] <pygi> Odd_Bloke, ehm, well, branches
[23:14] <f0ghorn> anyone have thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/248289 ?
[23:15] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: ^
[23:52] <igc> igc
[23:52] <igc> morning


[00:33] <user_> Hello, this is my first time using IRC. I want to know what are the minimum specs to run Xubuntu. thanks!
[00:35] <user_> I'm running it on a Pentium III with 384 MB RAM and it is painfully slow.
[00:35] <user_> Is there something I can do to improve performance (other than upgrading the hardware?) or should I look for a lighter distro?
[00:35] <Unit193> Hmmm.... I think it's higher than that. :P
[00:36] <user_> I'm running Xubuntu 11.10
[00:36] <user_> What do you suggest?
[00:37] <Unit193> What's the CPU clocked at?
[00:37] <user_> I'm not sure. How can I check from whithin Xubuntu?
[00:37] <babble> From xubuntu.org: Once installed, Xubuntu can run with starting from 256 (or even just 192) MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 512 MB RAM.
[00:37] <Unit193> babble: Hasn't been updated though.
[00:38] <Unit193> user_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:38] <babble> Unit193: have the recommended ram requirements gone down?
[00:38] <Unit193> babble: You need better than that, to be honest. That doesn't take into account the processor.
[00:38] <user_> cpu MHz: 1002.287
[00:39] <user_> cache size: 256 KB
[00:39] <Unit193> That'll do.
[00:39] <babble> Unit193: I'm not debating that. The point is he's running in 384, which is below even the overly optimistic 512mb recommendation.
[00:40] <user_> I'm using this IRC thingy from within Xubuntu. This means it runs. I'm wondering if I can do something to improve performance other than upgrading hardware.
[00:40] <user_> My intention is to use this as a workstation for kids to learn Scratch.
[00:40] <babble> user_: your best bet will be to put more RAM in that machine, honestly.
[00:40] <babble> there's no simple way around the fact that you're not running in enough ram
[00:41] <babble> 'boots to a desktop' and 'is something I want to use' are different targets.
[00:41] <Unit193> If you'd rather switch, you can either go with Lubuntu antix, slitaz, or build from the !mini.iso
[00:41] <user_> I'll have to look for PC100 ram.
[00:42] <user_> It does boot to a desktop and the idea is to provide a low cost or free computer for a kid to learn to program with Scratch.
[00:42] <babble> user_: again, that it is able to boot in 384 isn't something I'm challenging.
[00:42] <user_> I've already run bleachbit to delete stuff & such, but I've noticed no speed improvement
[00:43] <babble> that it's not realworld usable, as you're discovering, is largely a function of the fact that the system simply doesn't have enough RAM for the particular choices that the xubuntu packagers have made.
[00:43] <user_> Ok. I got the message loud and clear. Thank you!
[00:44] <user_> I hope this is not too much off topic, but do you know if this hardware will perform better with Lubuntu? What are the requirements for Lubuntu?
[00:45] <Unit193> I have noticed it running better with less hardware, but Xubuntu is easier to configure.
[00:45] <babble> System Requirements
[00:45] <babble> A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu. It should be possible to install and run Lubuntu with less memory, but the result will likely not be suitable for practical use.
[00:45] <babble> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[00:46] <user_> Thank you. I'll take a look.
[00:46] <Unit193> I run it on 500MHz, with 506M ram.
[00:46] <user_> When you say easier to configure do you mean during installation or day to day use?
[00:47] <user_> I want to provide the end user with the best experience possible. These kids have been exposed to Windows or OS X only.
[00:47] <Unit193> Day to day, but it's not too hard in the end.
[00:47] <babble> that depends quite a bit on your subjective assessment of what constitutes a good experience, or the best experience.
[00:48] <user_> I've not put enough thought about how to define a good experience. I'm just looking for an Open Source OS that's easy to use for beginners.
[00:49] <GridCube> user_, xubuntu will run on your specs, but it wont be as fast as other solutions
[00:49] <GridCube> i recommend you to look into lubuntu
[00:49] <user_> I want the OS to be as much out of the way as possible so that the kids can focus on Scratch.
[00:50] <Unit193> Yep, that shouldn't really be a problem, I wouldn't think. This is from my subjective thoughts.
[00:50] <GridCube> its meant to work on slower machines than xubuntu, wich is in this instance of its evoultion more directed toward providing an excelent experience for traditional desktop users
[00:50] <babble> depending on what you want to do, Gnome, KDE and Xfce do a good job of hiding most of the 'unix' on modern Linux systems. I don't have much experience with Lubuntu or LXDE, but the folks who use it generally like it, and I suspect that again, depending entirely on what you need to do, you'll find that most modern desktop environments don't require a ton of specific linux knowledge.
[00:51] <babble> whether or not that's a substantially better experience than Windows or OS X isn't something that anybody can decide but you.
[00:51] <user_> Will I be able to use repositories for Ubuntu with Lubuntu? there is a ppa from sourceforge, from the people who developed Scratch.
[00:52] <GridCube> yes
[00:52] <user_> I'd like to include it in Lubuntu's repository so that they can eventually update to Scratch 2
[00:52] <GridCube> user_, lubuntu its a recognized derivative of ubuntu, so it has the full community support for it
[00:52] <user_> great!
[00:53] <GridCube> it uses the same apt repositories than main ubuntu
[00:53] <GridCube> as kubuntu and xubuntu does too
[00:53] <user_> One more thing that would be a nice-have: Java on the web browser so that kids can watch community's projects on-line.
[00:54] <user_> will I be able to install java in the default Lubuntu browser?
[00:54] <GridCube> user_, that depends on the browser you choose
[00:54] <Unit193> Java isn't close to being lightweight, but Lubuntu, as Xubuntu, supports icedtea.
[00:54] <GridCube> but yes, if you install java it should work, as with any ubuntu
[00:55] <GridCube> but then i would recommend you to ask stuff about lubuntu on their channel #lubuntu
[00:55] <GridCube> :)
[00:55] <user_> Ok. Thank you for all your guidance and advice.
[00:55] <GridCube> its not that we dont want to answer you here, but i think they could answer you more experiensly
[00:56] <GridCube> lol i need to check that word
[00:56] <user_> lol.
[00:56] <user_> I think I got more than what I came looking for. You've all been very helpful. Thanks a lot.
[00:57] <GridCube> :)
[00:58] <Unit193> Sure.
[00:58] <user_> Have a good night! Bye,
[01:01] <Unit193> (And Java does work in chromium after installing icedtea-plugin)
[01:04] <user_> All right. I'll have to tinker with that after I get the OS running at a comfortable speed.
[01:04] <user_> thanks.
[01:52] <wifioregon> Hi, I'm trying to help my friend install xubuntu alternative install side by side with windows. anyone know of a good guide I can give him?
[01:53] <GridCube> wifioregon, its pretty simple to do so
[01:54] <GridCube> it has an option "install alongside" and does pretty much all by itself
[01:54] <GridCube> its the autoresize option
[01:55] <wifioregon> GridCube:  Really? he was having trouble.  This is the alternate disc..oh and also its 10.04..he has to run 10.04
[01:55] <GridCube> mmmhm
[01:56] <GridCube> the installer has not changed in years
[01:56] <GridCube> let me boot the cd and ill tell you
[01:58] <GridCube> wifioregon, whats his problem again?
[01:58] <wifioregon> GridCube: he said is was saying something about it going to erase everything
[01:58] <wifioregon> qso he stopped
[01:59] <GridCube> mmmmhm
[02:01] <GridCube> you see, after you set up your location details, like country and keyboard layout, and networking,  you set up your computer name and password, it goes to the partition stage
[02:01] <GridCube> there you have a bunch of options
[02:03] <GridCube> one of it should be "rezise"
[02:03] <wifioregon> Ill tell him. Thanks!
[02:03] <GridCube> http://www.lefthandedlayup.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dec242008_xubuntu_install_01.jpg
[02:03] <GridCube> wifioregon, basically like that ^^^
[02:04] <GridCube> you can also pre partition the disks from other livecd
[02:04] <GridCube> like gparted live cd
[02:04] <wifioregon> oh okay. Thanks
[02:04] <GridCube> and use the "manual" option to choose your destiny partition
[02:05] <GridCube> he should then change its mount point to /
[02:05] <GridCube> but thats a little trickier if he has no experience at all
[02:05] <wifioregon> Really appreciat your help. Hes trying right now
[02:06] <GridCube> :)
[07:42] <woozly> guys. when I log in in GUI Logon screen
[07:42] <woozly> it opens terminal (tty) and then came back to logon screen
[07:42] <woozly> why?
[08:49] <xubuntu575> hi, i am new user of xubuntu xfce voyager. Audacity problem : on Asus P8Z68-V pro (Audio realtek ALC892)+ core i7 2600K (HD3000 GPU) + MSI FGX 560 TI (NVIDIA discrete GPU).  Audacity can play audio files, but cant record anything. I would like record soundcard output. How to do this ? need help. Thank you
[09:12] <xubuntu575> En français : nouvel utilisateur de xubuntu xfce voyager. Problème audacity : avec carte asus P8Z68-V pro (Realtek audio ALC892), processeur core i7 2600K (HD3000 GPU) et carte discrete FGX 560 TI (NVIDIA FX 560 TI) : audacity lit sans problème les fichiers audio, mais ne peut rien enregistrer. Sauvez moi ! merci
[09:13] <ochosi> !fr
[09:14] <xubuntu575> j'ai posé la même question en anglais, pas de réponse. merci du tuyau.
[09:26] <xubuntu575> someone is it able to help in Audacity or Sound card ?
[09:51] <ochosi> xubuntu575: sry, it's been really quite a while since i tried that (i wouldn't know why you'd even want to record playthrough, doesn't that imply you have the stuff already on your HD?) and i'd be of no help
[11:41] <helpme> hello
[11:42] <helpme> I am booting from a unetbootin xubuntu 12.04 beta2 live usb, and I see 2 "install xubuntu", is there any difference?
[11:44] <ouyes> choose the first one helpme , though I do not know the defference
[11:44] <helpme> ok
[11:45] <helpme> I want it to be a clean install: I dont care about all the data presently stored in the laptop
[11:46] <ochosi> helpme: there should be a "try xubuntu" and "install xubuntu"
[11:46] <ochosi> are the two really identical?
[11:47] <xubuntu575> quit
[11:47] <helpme> no ochosi the try xubuntu gives way to a normal xubuntu desktop, while the first install prompts me to choose language, and now Im adding the internet password...
[11:49] <ochosi> yes, i know that :)
[11:49] <ochosi> i just wanted to know where you saw two identical "install xubuntu" options
[11:49] <helpme> in Unetbooting
[11:50] <helpme> I plugged in the live usb , turned on the machine
[11:53] <helpme> Im in the 4 options part: a) install xubuntu 122.04 alonside 11.10, b) upgrade ubuntu 11.10 to xubuntu 12.04, erase ubuntu and reinstall and d) something else
[11:53] <ochosi> aha
[11:53] <helpme> I want to make a clean install, but with 2 partitions, a 30GB one in where to install xubuntu 12.04 and wipe out the rest in a larger partition
[11:53] <ochosi> well if you want to manage your partitions manually, choose the last option
[11:57] <helpme> I see a sda5 (unknown filesystem), is that the usb stick or swap area?
[11:57] <helpme> in installation type
[11:58] <hobgoblin> sda5 is an extended partition I expect
[11:59] <helpme> what if I erase ubuntu 11.10 and then make a partitioni with gparted?
[11:59] <helpme> once 12.04 is installed?
[12:00] <hobgoblin> helpme: at the moment we have no idea what partitions you have - but there's nothing to stop you doing that, I assume you mean install 12.04 and then create a new partition where 11.10 was
[12:01] <hobgoblin> helpme: how about telling us exactly what you have and what you want to get to :)
[12:02] <helpme> hobgoblin: I want 2 partitions in the final installation, but the current state of things in my laptop is quite crappy, so I want to get rid of all old data, making a clean install
[12:03] <hobgoblin> if that's what you want to do - I would use gparted to remove all the partitions and start again - BUT while I have been running 12.04 for months I still have the 11.10 - just in case
[12:05] <helpme> i never though of that
[12:06] <hobgoblin> my 11.10 wil be 12.10at the beginning of may - but while 12.04 is in dev I'll have both
[12:07] <hobgoblin> I think you can probably use the partition editor in the installer to accomplish the same thing as gparted - I just never do it that way
[12:09] <helpme> hobgoblin: I've heard good reviews of tis beta2, have you found any problems since it was released?
[12:09] <hobgoblin> not here no - it's been more or less rock steady for me for a while now
[12:15] <helpme> what do I do to see the GRUB loader by default?
[12:15] <helpme> the 10 seconds things
[12:17] <hobgoblin> helpme: if you have only one os installed it won't show - once you've installed let it boot and you need to edit a file
[12:17] <hobgoblin> easy to do
[12:18] <helpme> hobgoblin: what file is that?
[12:18] <xubuntu575> xx
[12:19] <hobgoblin> helpme: /etc/default/grub
[12:20] <helpme> looking for it as soon as my system finishes upgrading
[12:20] <hobgoblin> I'll be about helpme
[12:21] <helpme> hobgoblin: is "Ill be about" like "Ill be around"?
[12:21] <hobgoblin> yes :)
[12:21] <helpme> is that a california thing too?
[12:21] <xubuntu575> .
[12:22] <helpme> I dont know why I assume all admins here are from california
[12:22] <hobgoblin> !!!!!!!!!!!1
[12:22] <hobgoblin> I live in England ;)
[12:22] <helpme> a..
[12:22] <hobgoblin> nor am I an admin here :)
[12:23] <helpme> i like brunch and fish and chips: those may be the only british dishes I enjoy
[12:24] <helpme> noob asks: must ales be served not cooled?
[12:25] <OldManShoes> Doesn't that depend on the type of ale?
[12:25] <hobgoblin> yea
[12:25] <helpme> i dont know
[12:25] <hobgoblin> perhaps take the chat to #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:31] <OldManShoes> Question: I am using a fairly fresh install of 11.10 and I went to add the Weather Applet to the Panel, but it appears to not be pulling any weather data. Is this a known thing?
[12:32] <hobgoblin> OldManShoes: I think it is - I read somewhere I am sure there's an issue with where the data comes from - note I think - I'd hate to spread fud
[12:33] <loppy> yes go to weather update properties
[12:33] <OldManShoes> Does it need a proxy server?
[12:34] <OldManShoes> And thanks hobgoblin
[12:34] <loppy> do you use a proxy server?
[12:34] <OldManShoes> No, but I figured that was the only thing I hadn't played with in the settings so I was making sure.
[12:35] <loppy> allright
[12:41] <foobArrr> how do I change the keyboard layout system-wide?
[12:42] <ochosi> foobArrr: settings manager > keyboard > layout
[12:42] <foobArrr> doesn't that affect only the current user and only in X?
[12:45] <ochosi> foobArrr: oh right, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup instead then
[12:45] <foobArrr> k, thx
[12:45] <ochosi> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[12:45] <ochosi> not sure which of the two works better :}
[12:59] <Saurabh_123> Hey guys, will xubuntu 12.04 final include the new xfce 4.10?
[13:00] <xubuntu575> Hi, Asus card P8Z68-V pro (sound component Realtek ALC892 embeded), and Intel core i7 2600K (GPU HD3000 embeded) : with XUBUNTU XFCE VOYAGER 11.10, how to use the capability of the integrated iGPU HD3000 ? How to use in the same time a NVIDIA FGX 5600 TI (done in Windows 7 thanks to Lucid Virtu : video rendering using intel Quick Sync in Adobe PE elements, and Nvidia Cuda in PowerDirector). How to record the Realtek Audio Outpu
[13:00] <xubuntu575> t with Audacity ? Thank you
[13:00] <babble> Saurabh_123: the beta 2 release is still on 4.8, and they're on different release schedules, so likely not, but I have a build of the Xfce Preview 1 release if you want to try it
[13:01] <Saurabh_123> babble, I'll love to
[13:01] <Saurabh_123> can u provide the link?
[13:01] <babble> http://sourceforge.net/projects/babble777.u/files/xfce-4.10-daily/
[13:02] <babble> The pkgbuild packages are automated uploads and aren't especially stable, but the 4.09.2012 package is built from the preview 1 code with a couple of patches for xfdesktop applied. I've been using it for a couple of weeks and it's stable.
[13:03] <Saurabh_123> ok
[13:03] <Saurabh_123> so will the deb file work as it is?
[13:03] <babble> that depends on what you're asking.
[13:04] <Saurabh_123> if I install it on 12.04 beta, will it replace xfce 4.8 with 4.10?
[13:04] <babble> no. I've got everything installed in /usr/local; if you want to revert back to the release version of Xfce, uninstall my package (it's called xfce-preview in dpkg/synaptic/apt)
[13:05] <Saurabh_123> ok
[13:05] <Saurabh_123> babble, wat is custom iso for?
[13:06] <babble> it's an installable build of my system. I just haven't renamed the uploaded file yet
[13:06] <Saurabh_123> is it based on xubuntu 12.04?
[13:06] <babble> no.
[13:07] <babble> it's a customized build of 11.10
[13:07] <Saurabh_123> ok
[13:07] <babble> if you want to build xfce yourself, it's fairly easy to do
[13:09] <Saurabh_123> ok, but I think I will try ur build first
[13:09] <Saurabh_123> I'm not an expert user of linux :)
[13:10] <babble> I'll give you my build scripts. It's not difficult
[13:10] <Saurabh_123> ok, that would be nice !!
[13:13] <babble> On my sourceforge downloads, refresh the xfce daily directory. My build scripts are in there now; download those and I'll walk you through what to edit in those if you want to build it yourself on your system
[13:14]  * hobgoblin reads as well - might have a look later :)
[13:15] <Saurabh_123> ok babble, but I will that later
[13:15] <Saurabh_123> will contact u whenever I try to build it
[13:15] <babble> np
[13:16] <Saurabh_123> babble, the scripts look quite simple :)
[13:16] <babble> I told you it wasn't complicated ;)
[13:17] <foobArrr> ochosi: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration did the trick, thanks
[13:18] <babble> the git script pulls down the latest changes from the xfce git repos and copies everything into an xfce-build directory which is a chroot environment where I run the other two (the compile script and the packaging script)
[13:19] <Saurabh_123> the scripts are nice, will try later to build the system myself
[13:20] <Saurabh_123> babble, if I find any problem, I will contact u
[13:20] <babble> it's simple to install/uninstall mine.
[13:20] <Sysi> any change to get URI for that script?
[13:20] <babble> if you run into any problem with mine, just uninstall xfce-preview.
[13:21] <Saurabh_123> ok
[13:23] <qpnaosc> hello everyone
[13:24] <qpnaosc> ah, babble, you're here
[13:24] <babble> I usually am :)
[13:24] <qpnaosc> hah :)
[13:24] <qpnaosc> you helped me out yesterday with running my computer off of a usb stick
[13:25] <babble> I remember
[13:25] <qpnaosc> well, now I've got it installed, I can't save anything to it--I've heard there's a way to allow it do to that?
[13:26] <babble> do you need to be able to save files on the live usb system, or something else?
[13:26] <qpnaosc> yes, I would like to be able to save files to it
[13:26] <qpnaosc> while I'm trying to figure out the issues with my hard drives
[13:26] <babble> do you mean the live USB system, or have you installed a clean system on your computer that was causing you problems yesterday?
[13:26] <qpnaosc> I mean the live USB system
[13:27] <qpnaosc> the computer is still not functioning
[13:27] <babble> If you used Unetbootin, there's a line that says: Space used to preserve files across reboots (Ubuntu Only)
[13:27] <qpnaosc> actually, boot repair gave me a link to info about my computer, if you want to take a look
[13:27] <babble> if you used Startup Disk Creator, there's a slider marked:
[13:28] <qpnaosc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/924927/
[13:28] <qpnaosc> I used unetbootin
[13:28] <babble> Documents and Settings will Be:
[13:28] <qpnaosc> will I have to reinstall it?
[13:28] <babble> Stored in extra space: how much
[13:28] <qpnaosc> ah
[13:28] <babble> if you didn't make a casper writeable image (that's the writeable filesystem I was telling you about yesterday) then yes, you'll need to remake it
[13:29] <qpnaosc> ok
[13:29] <babble> if you did this on your friend's mac, if I'm recalling correctly, remember to get the correct BSD disk name for the USB drive, and not to write the image to disk1s1 on his machine
[13:30] <qpnaosc> right, yes
[13:30] <qpnaosc> disk1s1 turned out to be my USB stick
[13:30] <babble> ah, okay
[13:30] <babble> what was the internal drive? disk0?
[13:31] <qpnaosc> I think so
[13:31] <qpnaosc> I don't have the computer with me right now
[13:31] <qpnaosc> I just wanted to ask that question really :)
[13:31] <babble> no worries.
[13:31] <babble> it's been a little while since I regularly used OS X. I'm getting rusty. hehe.
[13:33] <qpnaosc> me too... it's been linux since my old mac broke. :)
[13:33] <babble> in Unetbootin, that space entry box is in megabytes, so 1024mb  = 1gb
[13:33] <Sysi> disk0 is first disk, disk1s1 is first partition of second disk (usb stick)
[13:33] <babble> Startup Disk Creator maxes at 4gb when creating a writeable casper image, so you probably don't want to make any bigger than that
[13:33] <babble> Sysi: Thanks. I have gotten rusty. hehe.
[13:34] <qpnaosc> ok
[13:35] <qpnaosc> thanks again
[13:35] <babble> np :)
[14:47] <martinphone> hello from my fresh 12.04 64bit installation
[15:02] <martinphone> hello from my fresh 12.04 64bit installation
[15:02] <martinphone> where do I look for all ppa that I installed before cleaning the machine? I have a copy of all hidden files in a HDD
[15:03] <Sysi> /etc/apt/sources.list or wherever you backed that up
[15:04] <martinphone> -/etc is in filesystem, isnt it?
[15:05] <Sysi> yeah, directly in root
[15:06] <martinphone> which means its gone (I didnt backup that...) but no worries... ill add as i need
[15:06] <Sysi> that's best
[15:06] <martinphone> ok Sy
[15:07] <martinphone> Sysi,
[15:07] <Sysi> Sy isn't bad pet name ;)
[15:17] <niker> Hello
[15:18] <niker> is anyone here?
[15:20] <niker> Hello
[15:22] <bazhang> hi niker
[15:24] <niker> Hi
[15:24] <bazhang> support issue niker ?
[15:24] <niker> do you know where loppy is?
[15:25] <bazhang> ...
[15:25] <niker> hi oCean
[15:31] <niker> Did everybody leve?
[15:37] <martinphone> no, kharnov came in
[15:37] <niker> Hello
[15:37] <niker> i was here yesterday
[15:37] <martinphone> i see
[15:37] <kharnov> Hi, I'm having an issue. I'm on the 12.04 beta, and sometimes when I try to log in, it just hangs. If I keep restarting, eventually it loads, but it's really annoying.
[15:38] <Pici> kharnov : Precise/12.04 is not yet released. Please join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion.
[15:39] <niker> i remember you Pici you where here yesterday too
[15:39] <martinphone> ?? this is the xubuntu channel, how is he going to find help in ubuntu?
[15:40] <niker> i dont know
[15:41] <hobgoblin> martinphone: that is the dev channel
[15:45] <niker> is anybody here?
[15:46] <bazhang> niker, yes
[15:46] <bazhang> !ask | niker
[15:46] <niker> Good
[15:46] <bazhang> whats your support issue niker
[15:46] <niker> nothing is wrong
[15:47] <bazhang> ?
[15:49] <convidado> hi people I am fan of xubuntu but the canonical says it will give financial support which the future of xubuntu?
[15:50] <babble> convidado: IMO the financial backing of Canonical isn't hugely important.
[15:50] <niker> i just wanted to chit chat bazhang
[15:51] <babble> convidado: they never had huge numbers of people working on Kubuntu, and in the end, it was one developer, and Kubuntu got along (and gets along) just fine as a (largely, before, and now entirely-) community supported distro
[15:52] <niker> Well Xubuntu is good for old coumperers
[15:53] <babble> (and hosting launchpad and the rest of the infrastructure that makes working on the community supported derivatives easier isn't really *not* supporting them)
[15:53] <niker> have you ever used VLC media player?
[15:54] <bazhang> yes
[15:54] <bazhang> whats the issue
[15:55] <niker> nothing
[15:55] <bazhang> ?
[15:55] <bazhang> niker, you realize this is the *support* channel
[15:55] <convidado> thanks babble, i hope hope xubuntu win more members and stay alive
[15:56] <babble> convidado: I don't want to run afoul of channel etiquette, which I'm already doing, so this may be better in #xubuntu-offtopic
[15:57] <martinphone> what is the package I need to listen to mp3 files? badsomething?
[15:58] <martinphone> 55
[15:59] <bazhang> martinphone, the gstreamer packages you mean? xubuntu-restricted-extras takes care of that
[15:59] <martinphone> bazhang, ok, ill try that
[16:00] <martinphone> is there going to be any in between release between beta2 and final release of 12.04?
[16:03]  * mneptok stares at babble
[16:04] <mneptok> babble: your /whois info prompts a "LTNS!" ... like ... almost a decade
[16:05] <martinphone> when trying to play a mp3 file with parole I get: You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins.
[16:05] <bazhang> martinphone, check the schedule in #ubuntu+1
[16:05] <martinphone> what other packages, besides xubuntu restricted extras do I need?
[16:05] <bazhang> none
[16:05] <martinphone> then whats wrong?
[16:05] <mneptok> martinphone: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:06] <bazhang> restart it?
[16:06] <bazhang> ie parole
[16:06] <mneptok> martinphone: has Parole been running while you installed the -extras package?
[16:06] <martinphone> yes, sorry, I though I closed it when I closed the warning window
[16:07] <martinphone> it works
[16:07] <martinphone> does any 12.04 user get crash reports related to blueman applet?
[16:08] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 issues as I've said martinphone
[16:08] <martinphone> sorry
[16:19] <martinphone> in a clean install, is it recommendable to copy the hidden file .libreoffice into my home folder?
[16:19] <martinphone> and by extension, every other hidden file
[16:19] <martinphone> not file, folder
[16:44] <babble> hrm.
[16:54] <xubuntu419> Ciao
[17:06] <martinphone> I cannot safely remove a HDD because, apparently, something is writting to it... what? I dont know, any ideas?
[17:08] <martinphone> am I destabilizing my machine for copying hidden folders from a 32bit architecture into a 64 bit one?
[17:09] <martinphone> hidden directories for firefox, thunderbird and radiotray
[17:32] <Peter2223> Hey everybody. My computer freezes when installing Xubuntu. Can anyone help me?
[17:33] <OldManShoes> What step does it freeze at?
[17:34] <Peter2223> thanks. It basically just stops doing anything after I put in the wireless details and it connects to the wireless network
[17:34] <Peter2223> I have tried the normal install and it did the same.  Now I am trying the alternate install
[17:35] <Peter2223> I assume it was supposed to connect to a server now to download data?
[17:35] <babble> have you tried not connecting to your wifi network at install, just to see if the install will complete?
[17:35] <babble> grabbing updates at install is handy, but not absolutely required.
[17:35] <OldManShoes> ^ was typing it out, but classmate distratcted me
[17:36] <babble> that or can you temporarily disable whichever encryption scheme your router is using if you *do* want to get updates at install?
[17:37] <Peter2223> thanks guys
[17:37] <Peter2223> I'll try it again
[17:42] <Peter2223> thanks very much for your help, I seem to be getting further. I pressed esc when asked for the network data
[17:50] <noname120> Hi guys
[17:50] <noname120> I installed the wlan's drier of my wireless chip
[17:50] <noname120> And I don't know where is the tool to scan for available wireless networks
[17:50] <noname120> Can you indicate me ?
[17:51] <noname120> Savory
[17:51] <noname120> * Daviey
[18:30] <grifo74> how i share a folder?
[18:36] <martinphone> a hdd I have mounts automatically. Problem: I can unmount it, but I cannot safely remove it
[18:38] <martinphone> the usb I have works fine
[18:38] <martinphone> mounts automatically and unmounts when I click the icon in file manager
[18:40] <martinphone> only way I can safely remove it is from nautilus
[18:40] <martinphone> this is in 12.04 beta2, am I wasting my time here?
[18:52] <grifo74> how i share a folder?
[18:53] <babble-> grifo74: do you need to set up a share with a Windows PC (or another Linux PC) with Samba?
[19:03] <grifo74> another linux pc
[19:04] <grifo74> with samba
[19:04] <babble> grifo74: smb (Samba) sharing is easy, and will work just fine in Linux, unless you want NFS or something else.
[19:04] <babble> ah, good :)
[19:04] <babble> in your terminal, do:
[19:04] <babble> sudo apt-get install samba
[19:05] <martinphone> babble, a hdd I have mounts automatically. Problem: I can unmount it, but I cannot safely remove it. Only way I can do it is with nautilus
[19:08] <babble> grifo74: Let me know when you have samba installed, and we'll set up a share.
[19:09] <grifo74> ok in one minute is instaled
[19:09] <STC> i love this distro!! running xubuntu on p4 2.66, 512mb ddr ram, radeon 9550, xp was soooo sluggish, running through wubi, aint the smoothest, but is sooo mcuh better :)
[19:10] <babble> grifo74: no worries - let me know when you're ready
[19:10] <STC> where are the settings to increase performance? like disabling screen saver, animations, etc
[19:10] <grifo74> instaled now
[19:11] <babble> grifo74: in your terminal, do:
[19:11] <babble> shares-admin & disown
[19:11] <babble> that will open the shared folders panel and you can set up your samba share in there.
[19:11] <babble> On Xubuntu, I make a launcher for shares-admin and stick it in my System menu (we can walk you through that as well, if you'd like)
[19:12] <grifo74> yes i want
[19:12] <babble> go ahead and set up your samba share the way you want it first, and let me know when that's done, and we'll do a launcher in your menu next.
[19:13] <babble> STC: Screensaver is in Apps (Mouse) Menu > Settings > Settings Manager : Screensaver
[19:13] <babble> (if you're logged into the Xfce session and not the Xubuntu session, the menu layout will be slightly different)
[19:14] <STC> cool found it thanks!
[19:17] <babble> brb
[19:19] <noname120> How can I scan for wireless access points ?
[19:19] <babble> noname120: in Xubuntu, the Network indicator will scan for available wifi access points.
[19:20] <babble> if you don't have it, add the Indicator plugin to one of your panels.
[19:20] <noname120> I don't have it
[19:20] <babble> do you have a top panel?
[19:20] <noname120> But when I open it myself, I just can add manually an access point
[19:20] <noname120> And I don't know how to connect
[19:20] <babble> Network Connections and the Network indicator are two different things.
[19:20] <noname120> Is it the same as in ubuntu ?
[19:20] <babble> Do you have a top panel?
[19:21] <babble> what I'm suggesting will be similar to Ubuntu, yes.
[19:21] <noname120> ok and yes, I'vve a top panel
[19:21] <babble> Right click on your top panel, and choose: Panel > Add New Items
[19:21] <STC> installing chromium now :)
[19:22] <STC> firefox eating all mah ram!!
[19:22] <babble> in the Add New Items dialog, find and add the Indicator plugin
[19:22] <babble> Ubuntu app indicators (like the Network indicator) will run in there.
[19:23] <noname120> ok
[19:23] <noname120> Thanks
[19:23] <babble> np :)
[19:25] <noname120> btw xubuntu is nice: I've it on an external HDD 'cause my laptop has a HDD that has issues (bad sectors)
[19:25] <babble> I *really* like Xubuntu :)
[19:25] <STC> me too
[19:25] <STC> only been using it for 1 hour lol
[19:26] <noname120> I chose that than archlinux 'cause it's 100% compatible with ubuntu packets
[19:26] <babble> grifo74: everything working?
[19:27] <noname120> ThenI'll leave see you
[19:30] <STC> can xubuntu performance be increased with page filing through a usb stick like in windos?
[19:31] <babble> if you mean a customized swap setup, you can do swap on a different device, if you want, but you're not likely to see a huge performance gain vs. swap on your regular HD
[19:31] <STC> cool
[19:31] <STC> its all good im happy with this performance
[19:31] <babble> if windows is doing some other sort of application caching, I'd need to look at a whitepaper or something that explains what it's doing in more depth
[19:31] <STC> MUCH better than xp, and im using wubi installation so im sure a full installation would be wayy faster
[19:32] <babble> wubi is a good deal slower than installing and using Ubuntu directly
[19:32] <babble> so don't judge Xubuntu's actual performance from a wubi install
[19:32] <STC> yeh
[19:33] <babble> wubi is really more of a 'get your feet wet with Ubuntu' thing
[19:34] <STC> yeh
[19:34] <STC> im scared to do a partiion cuz last time i tried to delete it and got the grub error, and i tried to repair bootmgr through windows 7 disk, and it didnt do it
[19:34] <STC> so had to format and loose everything :(
[19:35] <babble> I'm afraid I'm not much help with a Windows dual-boot setup. I don't use Windows as my daily-use OS
[19:36] <STC> nice
[19:36] <STC> you guys hang out here often?
[19:37] <babble> STC: I don't want to run afoul of the channel deities, so this may be something better moved to #xubuntu-offtopic if you're just looking for chat
[19:37] <STC> cool
[19:44] <STC> whats a good dock for xubuntu thats light on ram?
[19:45] <babble> STC: you can run any number of additional docks, but will the default panel do enough for you?
[19:46] <STC> is there a default dock? all i got is the bar with the little mouse
[19:46] <STC> on top left
[19:46] <babble> mouse down to the bottom of your screen
[19:46] <STC> oh nice
[19:46] <grifo74> sorry babble i'm finish to install xubuntu on my machine
[19:46] <babble> there's a launcher dock on the bottom that's set to autohide by default
[19:47] <grifo74> i need to format
[19:47] <babble> grifo74: ah, I apologize, I didn't realize you were installing xubuntu itself.
[19:47] <babble> grifo74: No worries - let me know when you're ready
[19:47] <grifo74> ok
[19:47] <babble> STC: If you want the bottom launcher panel to behave more like a dock, I have my lauchers in that panel set to open through a wmctrl script so that they don't launch new instances
[19:48] <babble> STC: (and my menu launchers behave normally, so can do either behavior, if I want)
[19:49] <STC> cool, i like it the way it is, just turned off the autohide option to make it easier
[19:50] <babble> whatever works.
[19:50] <babble> I have mine side-mounted, ala Unity, since that's one of the Unity things I like on a 16:9 screen
[19:50] <STC> do yall use thunderbirds email system? or just go to your webmail site?
[19:51] <babble> I use Thunderbird
[19:51] <STC> nice
[19:55] <STC> any option for thunderbird to only load recent mail like gmail app for android? its loading 787 emails now.. -.-
[19:55] <babble> There may be a thunderbird plugin that does something similar.
[19:55] <STC> oh i see
[19:55] <STC> synchronise most recent
[19:56] <babble> there you go
[19:56] <babble> hehe
[19:56] <babble> I always forget the synchronize options
[19:59] <martinphone> how do I install UMPlayer in xubuntu?
[20:22] <martinphone> how do I uninstall all packages that were installed when I installed an app?
[20:23] <hobgoblin> are there some left after removing one?
[20:23] <martinphone> when I clicked to install gnome player, it plus 25 packages were installed. If I mark gnome player for uninstall, only it witll be deleted
[20:23] <hobgoblin> aah - look in synaptic - look for packages for autoremove
[20:24] <martinphone> aa, yes...
[20:31] <STC> chromium gives me lots of problems with youtube, so does firefox, i hear you can get html5 for chromium which is better?
[20:32] <martinphone> STC, https://www.youtube.com/html5
[20:32] <babble> I can't say for certain, but I suspect it may be a wubi issue.
[20:32] <STC> oh
[20:33] <babble> if you want HTML5 <video> tag support, that's in current firefox, chrome or chromium (firefox supports different codecs for <video> than the chrome browsers; FF doesn't do h.264, while chrome does and chromium may -- I'm not certain about the latter)
[20:34] <STC> looks like i am already in the html5 trial
[20:34] <STC> maybe thats why playback issues
[20:35] <babble> like I said, stuttery performance in wubi are likely a wubi-specific issue.
[20:35] <STC> yeah true
[20:35] <babble> would it be worth trying Xubuntu in a VM instead?
[20:36] <babble> I get decent performance in Virtualbox for 32-bit installations I goof around with
[20:36] <STC> yeah but this system only has 512mb ddr ram
[20:36] <babble> ah, yes, you said.
[20:36] <babble> well, that's not likely to be any easier.
[20:37] <babble> Xubuntu will technically run in 512mb but you ideally want more to get anything useful done.
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> only if you use heavy apps like browsers alot
[20:40] <STC> still MUCH faster than xp
[20:45] <STC> lowering resolution helped alot too ^^
[20:48] <STC> apps take a bit to start, but once they do they run pretty smoothly, so your right, its prolly a wubi thing
[20:48] <babble> STC: dual boot! :) you'll be happier :)
[20:48] <STC> yeh but this is my dads pc lol
[20:48] <babble> (I understand why you're nervous, but you need a current backup anyway, so do it. hehe)
[20:49] <STC> and i have ruined many of his pcs
[20:49] <STC> because of my curiosity lol
[20:49] <babble> back. up. your. systems.
[20:49] <STC> i plan to delete this wubi before he comes home
[20:49] <babble> heh :)
[20:50] <STC> if he gets on pc tonight, and turns it on and sees please select xubuntu or xp, he will go nuts!
[20:50] <STC> lol
[20:50] <STC> if only there was a way to install ubuntu, but boot xp, and only boot into ubuntu manually
[20:50] <STC> i mean xubuntu
[20:51] <STC> like a way so he wouldnt even know xubuntu was iinstalled
[20:51] <babble> You can, if you install inside a virtual machine.
[20:51] <babble> That's what I was suggesting earlier.
[20:51] <STC> yeah but rmemeber, 512 mb ddr ram
[20:51] <babble> it's another way of doing a wubi-like installation.
[20:51] <STC> isnt wubi faster than VM?
[20:52] <babble> on your machine with that amount of RAM, and given that it's not your machine to mess with, really, wubi is likely your best option.
[20:52] <STC> yeh
[20:53] <well_laid_lawn> or have a xubuntu install on a usb stick
[20:53] <babble> or, that, sure.
[20:53] <STC> that i could do :)
[20:53] <STC> good idea
[20:53] <STC> would that be faster than wubi?
[20:54] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[20:54] <STC> score
[20:54] <babble> a live USB system with a decently sized casper filesystem to write on would work better than the wubi installation you're doing now
[20:54] <STC> u talking about xubuntu usb demo version?
[20:54] <babble> it depends on what you mean by 'demo'
[20:54] <STC> like when u put in live cd
[20:54] <STC> before u install
[20:54] <STC> u can use it
[20:54] <babble> ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu live images are working systems.
[20:55] <STC> yeah but u cant save anything right? when u restart it all goes away
[20:55] <babble> if you make your boot device on something writeable, like a USB drive, you can give yourself between 1-4gb of writeable filesystem (if you're making with the Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator) to save your work
[20:55] <STC> oh cool
[20:56] <well_laid_lawn> you can put the installation on the usb like it was a normal hdd
[20:56] <jcfp> iirc it's possible to dualboot and hide the grub menu
[20:56] <babble> jcfp: it's his dad's computer
[20:56] <STC> how can i do this? put the iso on usb, then boot from usb, then install on usb?
[20:56] <jcfp> short timeout, win as the default and most users would never notice
[20:56] <babble> STC: do you still have the ISO image you downloaded?
[20:56] <STC> yes i do
[20:57] <babble> STC: use Startup Disk Creator to make a bootable USB thumbdrive
[20:57] <STC> ok
[20:58] <STC> babble then will i be able to tell it to install on the usb when i boot into xubuntu to install?
[20:59] <babble> STC: If you're booted from that live USB drive, anything you install will install onto the writeable filesystem image on the USB system (instead of the PC's hard disk)
[20:59] <STC> oh
[20:59] <babble> STC: In that case, all it really cares about as far as the PC is concerned is the CPU, display and input devices - it doesn't have to touch the PC's disk at all
[20:59] <STC> cool
[21:00] <STC> is this a new feature? i think i tried doing this in ubuntu before and it didnt work
[21:00] <STC> but that was ubuntu, not xubuntu
[21:00] <babble> It's not especially new.
[21:00] <babble> I can't remember when it first appeared, but it's been around for a while.
[21:01] <STC> cool
[21:02] <STC> usb xubuntu should be faster than dual boot right? since this is a PC with old HDD
[21:03] <babble> it will be roughly as fast as dual booting. (the internal drive would be a little faster than a USB drive, but with that amount of RAM in your dad's system, it's probably six of one, half a dozen of the other)
[21:04] <STC> cool
[21:04] <babble> It *should* be faster than the WUBI install you're using now, since it doesn't need to cram an entire working environment into the application-available RAM under XP
[21:06] <babble> it will also have the advantage of being portable :)
[21:06] <STC> hehe
[21:06] <babble> (I do this on a 60gb portable hard drive, with my current system imaged to that drive every couple of weeks)
[21:06] <STC> cool
[21:07] <STC> what app u use to image ur current system to the harddrive?
[21:07] <babble> comes in handy for repairing my brother's PC he never does anything to take any care of
[21:07] <babble> I'm using relinux which is doing essentially the same thing the Ubuntu packagers do when they make a live system ISO
[21:07] <STC> cool
[21:07] <STC> ur bro use linux too?
[21:07] <babble> I'm just not worried about fitting everything onto a CD-sized image
[21:08] <babble> no, he's a windows person
[21:08] <STC> cool
[21:20] <babble> ooh. 12.04's available as a distribution upgrade in Update Manager.
[22:03] <tdlam> hi folks
[22:35] <loppy> Hello????????
[22:35] <martinphone> how do I install google earth on xubuntu? https://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html ?
[22:36] <Unit193> Hit agree for your arch type.
[22:37] <martinphone> thx
[22:37] <loppy> Unit193 are you on the offtopic? or martinphone?
[22:42] <martinphone> apparently I need ia32-libs to use google earth 64bits. ia32 makes reference to 32bit libraries, doesnt it?
[22:47] <Unit193> The installer should install what it needs.
[22:49] <martinphone> the deb file says it cannot install ia32-libs, so I went to synaptic and clicked on it, only to find out that it, and the ton of libraries that are installed with it, have unresolvable dependencies: ia32-libs:
[22:49] <martinphone>  Depends: ia32-libs-multiarch
[22:50] <Unit193> You are on a 64 system? You could try the 32 package. :P
[22:50] <Unit193> Or, have you reloaded the package list recently?
[22:50] <martinphone> after the clean xubuntu reinstall, this is the first time I download the .deb precompiled packages
[22:53] <martinphone> what if I donwload http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-11.10/ubuntu-universe-i386/ia32-libs-multiarch_20090808ubuntu26_i386.deb.html ?
[22:53] <Unit193> Wouldn't recommend it.
[22:54] <Unit193> Ah!
[22:54] <Unit193> !earth
[22:55] <martinphone> yes Unit193 I have seen that page already. If 64 bits cannot be installed ill go 32 bits....
[23:03] <martinphone> i cannot use this 32bits on 64
[23:09] <chilired> anyone using a nvidia 210 for audio over hdmi?


[16:59] <dupondje> Hi somebody around for a question? :)
[16:59] <dupondje> i'm rewriting upstart script for cryptsetup. Now what signal can be used to remove the crypted mappings? This should be done after umount happend.
[17:10] <JanC> dupondje: you want to automatically remove the crypted mapping after the filesystem on it gets unmounted?
[17:12] <JanC> that might get complicated in case there is a partition table (or whatever else that is not a filesystem) on the encrypted block device...
[17:13] <dupondje> JanC: well it should be stopped before lvm or so is stopped, and after umount ofc
[17:14] <JanC> dupondje: doesn't that depend on whether lvm is below or on top of dm-crypt?  ;)
[17:14] <dupondje> hmmmm :P
[17:14] <JanC> (and can't/doesn't the kernel handle this?)
[17:18] <dupondje> there is a do_stop at least for debian
[17:20] <dupondje> then i'll should just add post-stop script in the upstart to stop all (unmounted) crypt mappings when running service cryptsetup stop right
[17:23] <dupondje> Cause now there are 2 init scripts and 2 upstart scripts, the init scripts taking care of the stop, the upstart for the start
[17:23] <dupondje> thats like not clean ;)
[17:25] <JanC> you might want to discuss with some of the people who know more about those parts of boot/shutdown...
[17:31] <dupondje> tought this would be the place ;)
[17:34] <JanC> dupondje: if this is Ubuntu-specific, #ubuntu-devel or such might be more useful


[07:15] <flocculant> don't suppose many are - but getting parole seg faulting (both repo and daily ppa) in yakkety
[07:16] <flocculant> mmm
[07:17] <flocculant> or not - apparently it doesn't like a .m3u in home/wolf/.local/share/xfce4/Parole
[10:11] <bluesabre> flocculant: oh yeah, parole hates m3u files under /home/wolf/.local/share/xfce4/Parole
[10:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: lol