[14:55] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:58] <jelmer> ahola czajkowski
[14:59] <czajkowski> jelmer: ello greetings from bluefin where we're having a global jam
[15:00] <jelmer> czajkowski: bluefin?
[15:02] <Laney> the london office
[15:03] <czajkowski> yarp
[15:04] <jelmer> ah, nice
[15:04]  * jelmer hasn't been to the new office yet
[15:04] <czajkowski> bar it's very warm yeah
[15:04] <czajkowski> it's about 26 in london today
[15:05] <jelmer> same here..
[15:05]  * jelmer is at the local hackerspace watching a talk
[15:05] <czajkowski> oh what on
[15:06] <jelmer> evading some of the security measures in Ubuntu's sshd :)
[15:07] <czajkowski> hah
[15:07] <czajkowski> tried to get these webaps working
[15:07] <czajkowski> butno luck
[15:07] <czajkowski> and now some unity testing
[15:07] <jelmer> what are you jamming on?
[15:13] <czajkowski> 12.10
[15:13] <czajkowski> upgraded and filing bugs
[15:13] <czajkowski> gwibber and compiz keep crashing
[15:37] <czajkowski> xnox qote of the day:  I fix things after I break things,
[15:37] <czajkowski> reason for Laney to not remove him :)
[15:42] <jelmer> haha
[18:07] <jam> czajkowski: very warm? it was 44 today in Dubai... 26 would be a cold snap :)
[18:14] <czajkowski> jam: true indeed, but in the office at the weekend the air con is off
[18:14] <czajkowski> still we had some fun :)


[06:51]  * ojwb notices that at current exchange rates, it's actually cheaper to apply for an NZ passport in London than in NZ


[06:41] <codebrainz> hi.  I just add libappindicator support to this little program i wrote.  is it possible that appindicator is stealing the 'query-tooltip' signals on the menu items in its menu?
[08:11] <didrocks> good morning
[10:25] <fta2> hi, is anyone working on the unity_support_test crash in oneiric /w nvidia? http://paste.ubuntu.com/629712/
[13:02] <hicham> morning didrocks
[13:03] <didrocks> hey hicham
[14:13] <czajkowski> alejandra: you free ?
[14:18] <alejandra> czajkowski, hi laura!
[14:19] <czajkowski> :)
[14:19] <czajkowski> alejandra: are you free at some point for a short pm ? whenever not urgent
[14:19] <alejandra> czajkowski, have ten mins before my next meeting if that's enough?
[14:19] <czajkowski> yup
[14:19] <czajkowski> :D
[14:22] <andyrock> jaytaoko, around?
[14:30] <jaytaoko> andyrock: : hello
[14:31] <andyrock> jaytaoko, hello
[14:31] <andyrock> jaytaoko, my friend get an error when he tries to compile and build nux
[14:32] <jaytaoko> andyrock: ok, can I see the error?
[14:32] <andyrock> jaytaoko, yup... just a moment
[14:32] <andyrock> make[1]: ingresso nella directory "/home/andrea/nux/NuxGraphics"
[14:32] <andyrock> CXXLD libnux-graphics-0.9.la
[14:32] <andyrock> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[14:32] <andyrock> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[14:32] <andyrock> make[1]: *** [libnux-graphics-0.9.la] Errore 1
[14:32] <andyrock> make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/andrea/nux/NuxGraphics"
[14:32] <andyrock> make: *** [install-recursive] Errore 1
[14:32] <andyrock> ------------------
[14:33] <andyrock> in /usr/lib he has libGL.so
[14:34] <jaytaoko> andyrock: looks like the compiler can't find the opengl libs on the system
[14:35] <andyrock> jaytaoko, but in /usr/lib he has libGL.so :(
[14:36] <jaytaoko> andyrock: could be a path issue. Has he done anything special with regard to the library path on his system recently?
[14:37] <andyrock> jaytaoko, let me ask him...
[14:37] <jaytaoko> andyrock: also, his he on Natty or Oneiric?
[14:38] <andyrock> jaytaoko, first question: no
[14:38] <andyrock> jaytaoko, natty
[14:39] <jaytaoko> andyrock: what driver is he using?
[14:39] <jaytaoko> andyrock:
[14:39] <jaytaoko> andyrock: has he been changing drivers lately?
[14:39] <andyrock> jaytaoko, he as a ati... i think 11.6
[14:40] <andyrock> jaytaoko, yes he changed it lately
[14:40] <jaytaoko> andyrock: the fglrx driver or the radeon one
[14:41] <andyrock> jaytaoko, fglrx
[14:42] <jaytaoko> andyrock: I propose that he removes the fglrx driver and then try to compile nux. He i will be using the radeon open source driver.
[14:43] <jaytaoko> andyrock: I would like to know if nux compiles with the Open source driver. Then he can reinstall fglrx and try to compile nux again.
[14:44] <andyrock> jaytaoko, ok thx
[14:44] <jaytaoko> andyrock: no problem. let me know how it goes
[14:48] <hicham> didrocks: will next unity release support gtk3 ?
[14:53] <didrocks> hicham: it should, yeah
[14:54] <hicham> didrocks: thanks
[15:09] <jcastro> lamalex: who's been churning through the new bug queue?
[15:09] <lamalex> HarryHaaren
[15:09] <lamalex> doing a killer freaking job
[15:09] <jcastro> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/unity-stats/
[15:10] <jcastro> look at the yellow line, something fierce
[15:10] <jcastro> HarryHaaren: you're awesome.
[15:10] <lamalex> EFFIN A DUDE
[15:10] <lamalex> HarryHaaren, you are an animal
[15:11] <HarryHaaren> Cheers guys, looking forward to eating some more bugs :D
[15:11] <jcastro> yes, now double up the Fix Released line and then you'd be a rockstar. :p
[15:19] <czajkowski> HarryHaaren: well done!
[17:55] <jcastro> njpatel: what does "Add back support for all the features of the systray" mean?
[17:58] <njpatel> jcastro, that it works like natty, but with gtk3
[17:58] <njpatel> also, stop reading my commit messages
[17:59] <njpatel> they no for you
[19:10] <andyrock> we have "Safely Remove", should it be "Safely remove"?
[19:10] <andyrock> like "Keep in Launcher" => "Keep in launcher"
[19:35] <andyrock> in unity sidebar we show only 'mounts' that have a 'volume'... but there are 'mounts' that have not a 'volume'
[19:35] <andyrock> what about adding support to them?
[19:55] <andyrock> jcastro, can i talk you about a weird bug?
[19:56]  * andyrock about a unity weird bug
[20:24] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/799890
[20:24] <andyrock> i have to add ayatana-desing?
[21:25] <andyrock> JohnLea, around?
[21:59] <Guest0> Hi! I have a two problems with a lens I'm working on. First, I cannot get it to load correctly when a user logs on. It loads when you run setsid unity but not when you log on.
[21:59] <Guest0> It load the .place file correctly as the icon appears in the launcher.
[21:59] <Guest0> But it does not seem to connect with the deamon.
[22:00] <Guest0> Does anyone know what could be the problem?
[23:03] <Hobart> smspillaz -> Got a moment?
[23:05] <Hobart> Trying to determine if my problem is accurately described as bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/795048 ... (on Natty, trying to use GIMP with Unity as the WM, the font choice dropdown with the text tool gets one of the "overlay ...
[23:05] <Hobart> ... scrollbars", but if you try to use it the dropdown immediately closes, leaving you to only use keyboard to make your font choice)
[23:20] <thumper> Hobart: smspillaz has exams :) and is in Perth so won't be up yet
[23:23] <Hobart> ah.
[23:23] <Hobart> Do any of the rest of the team have an opinion on if that problem is adequately already "reported" by that bug? :)
[23:26] <thumper> Hobart: I think that should be ok, I'm sure sam will ask questions if he needs clarification
[23:27] <Hobart> I didn't file it, sam did and then took it himself
[23:27] <Hobart> in fact I'd suggest that if that /is/ appropriate it be edited so people with my problem don't submit dupes :)


[03:58] <lawrence_peng> msg smoser hi smoser ! as we discussed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1638931 , I wonder to know is this plan could be feasible ? because of cloud-init source code is pure python, if I add the C code, it must compile when installed. thx ~
[18:39] <ffledgling> Hello, I have a pending Merge Request - https://code.launchpad.net/~ffledgling/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init-1/+merge/312917
[18:39] <ffledgling> Can someone take a look/leave feedback?
[18:39] <ffledgling> smoser: ^ ?
[18:41] <powersj> ffledgling: smoser will be back tomorrow, bunch of us have been traveling.
[18:41] <ffledgling> powersj: ah, some kind of conferene?
[18:41] <powersj> Do make sure you have signed the Canonical contributor license agreement, see: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html
[18:42] <powersj> ffledgling: yeah a canonical meet up
[19:27] <ffledgling> powersj: Not exactly sure whom to add as "Project Contact"
[19:30] <powersj> ffledgling: uhh hmm can you leave it blank?
[19:31] <ffledgling> powersj: Just added "Scott Moser", because it said Project Manager/Contact
[19:31] <ffledgling> *shrug*
[19:31] <powersj> ok go for that
[19:31] <powersj> otherwise look at https://www.canonical.com/projects/directory
[19:31] <ffledgling> Already did, signed.
[19:31] <powersj> which you could put the contact for cloud-init there
[19:31] <ffledgling> Ah, didn't know about the directory


[00:41] <slangasek> infinity, stgraber: there haven't been any further reports of 1017001 since flipping the switch, that I can see; it seems it may truly have been specific to users doing strange things like running mythbuntu 10.04 without updates applied.  I think we can take it off our worry list now.
[00:43] <stgraber> well, that's very good news
[01:05] <infinity> slangasek: See, and I was just about to say that I ran into it in production.
[01:06] <infinity> slangasek: And the only solution here was to install the upstart interdependant mess before proceding with the rest.
[01:06] <infinity> slangasek: That's a pretty big update-manager change, but I wonder if it wouldn't just be the right thing to do. :/
[01:10] <infinity> It's a short list: upstart initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-bin udev initscripts ifupdown mountall plymouth
[01:10] <infinity> Upgrading those first seems to make the rest of the process a bit more resilient.
[01:11] <infinity> (And yeah, I literally JUST ran into this on my powerpc/lucid machine when I upgraded it to precise, and it wasn't mythbuntu)
[01:11] <infinity> It was, however, a debootstrap + ubuntu-desktop by-hand install, not something from lucid media.
[01:12] <stgraber> and I guess in your case, was fully up to date before the dist-upgrade
[01:13] <infinity> stgraber: Yeah, I updated it to -updates before doing the upgrade, cause I didn't want problems. :P
[01:13] <infinity> All of those packages are Priority:required, so it wouldn't (in theory) do any harm to just force an install of all of them before the rest of the upgrade.
[01:14] <infinity> Given that if they're not installed, we really think they should be.
[01:16] <xnox> infinity: does this mean your powerpc machine is now back alive and operational?
[01:16]  * xnox \0/
[01:16] <infinity> xnox: My PowerStation is on and being a wind-tunnel again.
[01:16] <infinity> xnox: It's not my only PPC machine. :P
[01:16] <xnox> =)))))) nice
[01:16] <xnox> show off
[01:17]  * jocarter wonders if infinity, xnox and stgraber ever stop working
[01:17] <stgraber> infinity: I can't remember if the dist-upgrader actually has a feature to force a given list of packages to upgrade before doing the main upgrade
[01:17] <infinity> jocarter: For about 28 minutes on Thursday afternoons.
[01:17] <infinity> stgraber: I'm not sure either, though it seems like a sane thing to be able to do to influence things a bit.
[01:17] <stgraber> infinity: I know it has a list of packages to ensure are installed post-upgrade and a list of stuff to cleanup
[01:17] <jocarter> infinity: heh
[01:17] <stgraber> agreed, if it doesn't support it, it should
[01:18] <xnox> jocarter: i'm not working. i'm just breaking archive by uploading incompatible versions of mumble ;-)
[01:18] <stgraber> jocarter: well, at least for me there's a pretty big difference between talking in #ubuntu-release and working ;)
[01:19] <stgraber> xnox: bah, who uses quantal anyway? :)
[01:20] <infinity> stgraber: Hrm, there's [PreRequists](sic) in the .cfg, but that's to install from $old_release, not $new_release.
[01:22] <stgraber> infinity: I also suppose we want the dist-upgrader to use the backported apt to install these packages?
[01:23] <infinity> stgraber: Possibly.  They'll end up depending on a newer dpkg and libc anyway, I imagine.  I'm not sure apt itself matters much for such a small set.
[01:23] <infinity> stgraber: But, since the whole thing operates with the release-upgrader-python-apt, the point seems moot.
[01:27] <infinity> stgraber: Oh, hrm.  Prereqs is actually entirely unclever.  It just uses a separate sources.list and then installs what you asked for.  I wonder if we couldn't just call back into that exact same method for a PreInstall or something that runs between PreReq and Upgrade.
[01:28] <infinity> Or UpgradeFirst might be a better name for it, so it's obvious it's something you can't go back from.
[01:28] <infinity> But whatever.
[01:29] <infinity> Still, this is all a pretty huge potential change for code that's been heavily tested without it. :/
[01:30] <infinity> And we have exactly one reliable reproducer for the bug, which is about as helpful as using a puppy as a television remote control.
[01:30] <xnox> don't be cruel to animals!
[01:31] <infinity> Don't worry, the puppy thinks it's a fun game.  The only harm done is to your sanity when the channel doesn't change, no matter how you rub his tummy.
[01:32]  * xnox =)
[01:32] <xnox> infinity: i think you should be on Ubuntu TV design team =)
[01:33] <xnox> and fix puppy remotes onces and for all!
[01:44]  * infinity reboots to finish the upgrade and crosses his fingers.
[01:45] <infinity> Hrm.  "Not a valid ELF image".
[01:46] <infinity> Thanks, yaboot.
[01:46] <infinity> That's probably my fault, though.  Cobbled-together cross-grade from YDL to Debian to Ubuntu.
[01:47] <xnox> it's sad to see installs outliving distributions
[01:49] <infinity> Ouch, and the old kernel explodes with udev having a sad.
[01:49] <infinity> *sigh*
[01:49] <infinity> This'll be fun to recover.
[01:50] <infinity> For some value of "fun" that involves a Debian CD and some luck.
[02:04] <infinity> Ah-ha, just needed a newer version of yaboot.
[02:04] <infinity> The upgrade really should update that. :/
[02:05] <infinity> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-29-powerpc64-smp ppc64)
[02:05] <infinity> I win!
[02:06] <infinity> Well, I kinda win.  If X wasn't now spinning at 100% and not drawing pretty pictures...
[02:15] <slangasek> infinity: oh, huh.  was it on a fully-updated system?
[02:15] <slangasek> ah, you say it was
[02:16] <infinity> ioctl(7, 0x20006444, 0)                 = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
[02:16] <infinity> Really, X?  That's a spiffy infinity loop.
[02:16] <infinity> infinite, too.
[02:17] <infinity> Seems my nick has broken my ability to type "infinite".
[02:49] <infinity> Oh hey, finally.
[02:49] <infinity> Oh, armel is still building.  Drat.
[02:52] <infinity> Nobody worry about that linux build in quantal-proposed, I've got a d-i upload queued later to go with it.
[11:56] <phillw> hot off the press bug 1041532
[11:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041532 in ubiquity "A update process in Ubiquity caused it to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041532
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Hi. Did phillw give you the bug that I just reported?
[12:00] <phillw> smartboyhw: yes I did
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Thanks phillw
[18:00] <phillw> any release team still awake?
[18:02] <phillw> I've suggested Ubiquity... http://pastebin.com/Z0wCgj0B
[18:03] <tumbleweed> the fontocnfig warning is benign
[18:04] <phillw> tumbleweed: so, what more data do you guys need?
[18:04] <tumbleweed> no idea wthat the problem is, but this isn't really a support channel
[18:04] <phillw> he he.. it is the release channel, and this is a 12.10 issue :P
[18:05] <tumbleweed> #ubuntu+1
[18:05] <phillw> okies, I'll head there, thanks
[18:11] <xnox> tumbleweed: known problem new fontconfig became too 'chatty' and picky what it believes are sane font configs shipped with fonts, mostly harmless.
[18:11] <tumbleweed> yeah. doesn't stop machines from booting, though
[18:12] <xnox> tumbleweed: yeah, but rather annoying to see them on every application launch from the terminal
[18:12] <tumbleweed> that's presumably a broken X of some sort


[06:23] <flocculant> no images again
[06:31] <flocculant> buildlog here says it built https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/yakkety/xubuntu
[06:32] <flocculant> log here says it didn't http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/yakkety/
[06:34] <flocculant> all that give is perhaps warning reading apt/preferences.d *shrug*
[06:34] <flocculant> let's see if it rebuilds
[06:35] <flocculant> if not perhaps someone could ask Dave to go asking in -release
[07:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: re:hig you mean something like this? https://wiki.xfce.org/dev/hig/general
[07:24] <ochosi> but yeah, it needs updating
[07:24] <ochosi> and i totally agree on the binding and cleanup stuff
[07:24] <ochosi> definitely a good chance since we're touching so many components
[07:25] <Unit193> A wild ochosi appears!  Also noticed after you disappeared that you actually comitted my patch to xfce4-notifyd. :3
[07:25] <Unit193> Thanks? :D
[07:53] <akxwi-dave> flocculant, daily images are up now..
[09:44] <bluesabre> ochosi: definitely needs updating as the very lengthy and useful gnome hig 2.0 has been replaced with the short and sweet 3.0
[10:02] <akxwi-dave> flocculant, If you get chance can you try one of todays ISO's  when installed getting a language support not installed error.. Network icon showing grey out, but saying connected, not internet access thru web browser or pinging from terminal.. Maybe a Vbox thing not sure.. going to try with VMware..
[10:25] <akxwi-dave> same with vmware
[11:55] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: will try one now
[11:59] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: re images I rebuilt - and got enough time to check they booted prior to work
[12:00] <flocculant> still not sure what happened, though I suspect it was just some transient LP tomfoolery
[12:01] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: when you install - do you notice the 'Skip' button wandering back and forwards at the end of the text string telling what the installer is up to
[12:01] <flocculant> ?
[12:06] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: can confirm those bugs
[12:10] <flocculant> quickly grabbing ubuntu iso to check - I'd guess this will be one of those (hopefully)
[12:13] <akxwi-dave> hi mate, sorry back from lunch..  yes can confirm the skip button thing
[12:13] <flocculant> k
[12:13] <flocculant> just booting ubuntu now
[12:14] <akxwi-dave> lol noticed you rebuilt them, when originally checked tehy weren't showing on tracker,, then around 5 mins later were.
[12:14] <flocculant> :)
[12:15] <flocculant> pretty sure this is going to fail - had to tell installer London
[12:16] <akxwi-dave> also just to let yo know, usually out at lunch bewteen 12 and 1 just incase you need me at that time
[12:16] <flocculant> yea I knew times sort of - but as you're in channel can read later - my lunch is whenever I stop :)
[12:16] <akxwi-dave> I can confirm the london one a s well it had me in US
[12:17] <flocculant> yea - no network on live does that
[12:18] <akxwi-dave> ahhh..
[12:18] <akxwi-dave> I'll remember that one
[12:21] <flocculant> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_1.2.2-0ubuntu8/changelog
[12:21] <flocculant> perhaps :)
[12:23] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: did you chnge US to london?
[12:23] <akxwi-dave> yep
[12:23] <akxwi-dave> one the 386 version anyway
[12:23] <flocculant> I did with ubuntu - no incomplete language there *shrug* can't remember what I did with us
[12:23] <flocculant> anyway I'll ping pitti in -release re his changes
[12:23] <akxwi-dave> on the amd version I just left as is
[12:24] <flocculant> k
[12:25] <flocculant> ok - asking in -release now, back off out now - back later :)
[12:25] <akxwi-dave> cya later mate
[12:26] <flocculant> we shall see what they say :p
[18:47] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: iso *should* be ok next build
[18:47] <akxwi-dave> cheers.. aye saw their comments earlier :-)
[20:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah then again another boring doc to write that potentially nobody will read/follow. i mean after all it didn't seem like you knew the xfce hig by heart or anything ;)
[20:40] <ochosi> Unit193: well thanks for the patch! :)
[22:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: I was aware of it, but remembered that there was very little anything layout-related in it
[22:12] <bluesabre> ochosi: but yeah, I understand where you're coming from
[22:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: buuuuut, technically the gnome hig it currently links to will create apps that do not look like gtk2 apps ;)


[00:09] <apachelogger_> Rinchen: well, we just discovered a bug
[00:11] <Rinchen> apachelogger_, great! did you file it yet?
[00:11] <apachelogger_> Rinchen: just finished invastigating, I am writing the report right now
[00:11] <Rinchen> apachelogger_, ok, thanks.
[00:29] <apachelogger_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/222221
[00:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 222221 in rosetta "KDE: plural form + non-plural form = mixed (broken) export" [Undecided,New]
[00:32] <Rinchen> interesting apachelogger_
[00:32] <Rinchen> thanks for filing that
[00:35] <apachelogger_> no problem, it's a pretty awkward issue as it is somewhat visible within amarok as the screenshot shows
[00:36] <ubotu> New bug: #222221 in rosetta "KDE: plural form + non-plural form = mixed (broken) export" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222221
[01:42] <nxvl> Rinchen: i deleted my cookies and works fine
[01:42] <nxvl> Rinchen: i think it has been the last changes done on LP with OpenID
[02:28] <ubotu> New bug: #214732 in language-pack-gnome-pt "applet.py crashed with TypeError in get_description()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214732
[06:16] <korpios> I just set up a launchpad branch for the first time, and now I'm trying to run "bzr branch lp:python-wayback" ... and getting: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:17] <korpios> do I need to create a local branch first and push at least a single revision over, or somesuch?
[06:22] <korpios> Oh, yep, that looks like the case.
[06:23] <beuno> korpios, https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto   might help
[06:24] <korpios> Ahh, okay.  For some reason I thought that registering a branch through the launchpad web interface would init the branch
[06:25] <beuno> korpios, yes, It's a bit confusing
[06:36] <lamby> I am a maintainer of packages in Debian. Is there a way of subscribing to all bug activity relating to packages of mine that have been synced to Ubuntu?
[07:14] <thumper> korpios: that is a bit of a confusing state of the UI
[07:15] <thumper> korpios: you can guarantee that we'll be looking into it
[07:16] <korpios> thumper: cool :-)  easy enough once figured out, but I'm sure I'm hardly the first (or last) person to scratch their head over that
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #222347 in rosetta "Package list view overlaps text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222347
[07:57] <wgrant> lamby: Try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yourpackage/+subscribe
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #222410 in launchpad "[edge] Timeout on +packages page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222410
[10:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there
[10:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I want to host a bzr branch on launchpad to contain bug fixes to ubuntu
[10:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or better
[10:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bug fixes for a specific package :)
[10:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> should I open a new project
[10:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[10:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or a new team?
[10:47] <ascii-> hi good people:)
[10:48] <ascii-> could anyone tell me how to get started at launchpad..? I would like to get involved in some stuff, but don't know how or where to start..
[11:19] <wgrant> ascii-: Do you have a project in mind?
[11:19] <wgrant> How you contribute will depend on the project.
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #222451 in launchpad "missing gnome-accessibility-themes and gnome-accessibility-themes-extras packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222451
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #222461 in malone "I am getting notifications for bugs I have no longer subscribed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222461
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> please somebody knows why I get  "Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-quickfix/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for my new ppa? Of course there is no packages.gz
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there are no packages!
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this I get when I upload the first package
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in the build log
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13929536/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.rhythmbox_0.11.5-0-0ubuntu6~quickfix1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[11:44] <cprov> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/196782
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196782 in soyuz "First build in a new PPA fails" [Medium,Fix committed]  - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok I restart
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks a lot
[11:44] <cprov> :)
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the web interface is really pretty with the "build in progress" animated icon
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> s/.../currently building/
[11:47] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: some people think it's very ugly, but I like it too.
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> how can I version a package in my ppa so that it WON'T be superceded by next ubuntu version?
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so that I "own" the installed version of the package for whoever has my ppa in sources.list?
[11:59] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: use +$suffix
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> instead of ~$suffix you mean
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where $ is just cosmetic and does not reflect any environment variable? :)
[12:30] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes, cosmetic ... add something after the + and go for it.
[12:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thank you very much and bye
[12:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cprov
[12:34] <emgent> heya
[13:46] <globall667> test
[13:46] <globall667> got this message from bugs.lauchpad.net permanently:
[13:46] <globall667> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[19:35] <ffm_> Is there any way to reply to a spesific bug comment?


[00:00] <Stew_822> haha I really don't know what that mumbo jumbo means :D
[00:00] <Stew_822> my guess is that the card works?
[00:03] <Unit193> "I have 3D acceleration, without any proprietary or GATOS driver." <--- Would make me think so
[00:04] <Stew_822> Cool :)
[00:04] <Stew_822> thankyou :D
[00:04] <Unit193> Sure! Anything else?
[00:04] <Stew_822> hehe not at the moment :]
[00:05] <Stew_822> unless you know you know a magical way to get icecream, I'm all out of problems :D
[00:06] <Unit193> Yes Stand > Walk to kitchen > open freezer > take all the icecream :D
[00:13] <Stew_822> hehe :D
[00:20] <Stew_822> I wish there was a "sudo apt-get install decent-music" command :]
[00:26] <Stew_822> I've gotta go
[00:27] <Stew_822> thanks again and see you later :D
[00:27] <Unit193> See ya!
[00:38] <semitones> does anybody else notice that "don't display this message again" for the wireless notifications doesn't really do anything?
[01:52] <klynch> I want to uninstall pidgin and synaptic says removal of lubuntu desktop. Will this take away lxde or any of my other dependencies?
[07:13] <UBuxuBU> sup...
[08:12] <Stew_822> Hello  again :]
[08:13] <Unit193> Hello Stew_822, what's up?
[08:13] <Stew_822> Nothing at the moment, what about yourself?
[08:13]  * Unit193 needs sleep
[08:14] <Stew_822> oh dear
[08:14] <Stew_822> well you don't want to be sleep-deprived, now do you? :D off you go :]
[08:14] <Unit193> Sat Apr  9 03:14:54 EDT 2011   Local
[08:16] <Stew_822> Before you go, do you happen to know if there's an apt-get command that tells you the size of a package?
[08:16] <Stew_822> duh
[08:16] <Stew_822> apt-get --help
[08:16] <Stew_822> sorry
[08:16] <Unit193> It will tell you when you type it.... ;)
[08:18] <Stew_822> I don't think there is one
[08:19] <Unit193> This line "Need to get 14.4MB of archives."
[08:19] <Stew_822> Yeah
[08:20] <Stew_822> but it doesn't ask you if they're small
[08:20] <Stew_822> so I kinda get freaked out
[08:20] <jmarsden> Unit193: apt-cache show PACKAGENAME | grep Size:    # may help you
[08:21] <jmarsden> Um... Stew_822: apt-cache show PACKAGENAME | grep Size:    # may help you :)
[08:21] <Unit193> jmarsden: This also tells you the depends too
[08:21] <Stew_822> hehe :D
[08:22] <jmarsden> Unit193: Right, lots of other info about the package is displayed by apt-cache show
[08:23] <Unit193> jmarsden: I know, I use it all the time (along with apt-cache policy)
[08:23] <Stew_822> cool :D
[08:26] <jmarsden> There is also apt-cache showpkg PACKAGENAME for forward and reverse dependency info.
[08:26] <Stew_822> thanks heaps :)
[08:26] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[11:55] <sharkk> hi, do someone knows how to disable a function key on a notebook? i'm too frustrated to try to make it work... damn samsung
[14:26] <leszek> hi
[15:01] <kristian-aalborg> hi - what's the md5sum for the latest iso?
[15:02] <MrChrisDruif> kristian-aalborg: You can find the file containing all the md5sums on wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[15:06] <MrChrisDruif> kristian-aalborg: Otherwise is here the direct link: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
[18:45] <leszek> re
[20:15] <Brunoirs> got a problem with wine :(
[20:15] <Unit193> Then stop drinking it?
[20:16] <Unit193> (Sorry, bad joke....)
[20:16] <Brunoirs> when i tip winecfg to configure it a window appear but its to small cant see the ok button to save thee config
[20:16] <Brunoirs> no good joke :D
[20:16] <Brunoirs> and cant move the window
[20:16] <Brunoirs> never see the ok button :(
[20:17] <leszek> Brunoirs: can't you just simply resize the window to make it bigger ?
[20:17] <Brunoirs> leszek i tried but that doesnt work too
[20:18] <leszek> hmm... screenshot ?
[20:18] <Brunoirs> how to screenshot with lubuntu? :D
[20:18] <Unit193> Window resize doesn't work, put I can see all the items just fine...
[20:19] <leszek> Brunoirs: press the printkey
[20:20] <Brunoirs> ok
[20:20] <Brunoirs> how u want the pics?
[20:20] <Brunoirs> made 2
[20:20] <leszek> just upload them somewhere
[20:20] <Brunoirs> k
[20:20] <leszek> and post the link
[20:21] <Brunoirs> http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/2489/t95vsgul_png.htm
[20:22] <Brunoirs> http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/2489/6xihutbe_png.htm
[20:22] <leszek> ah Brunoirs why the heck is it running in a window ?
[20:23] <Brunoirs> dont know oO
[20:23] <leszek> or in its own winserver-desktop
[20:23] <Brunoirs> have been since i installed
[20:23] <Brunoirs> isnt that right?
[20:24] <leszek> no
[20:25] <leszek> try
[20:25] <leszek> to go to "Grafik"
[20:25] <leszek> and disable the emulate virtual desktop
[20:26] <leszek> then press enter
[20:26] <leszek> that should save the config
[20:27] <Brunoirs> ahhh
[20:27] <Brunoirs> ok
[20:28] <leszek> the next time you start winecfg it should run without the virtual wine desktop
[20:28] <Brunoirs> enter works
[20:28] <Brunoirs> im stupid
[20:28] <Brunoirs> thx
[20:37] <bonny> I need an old online multiplayer games which i can play against people around the world if you knew some shooters that would be great. :D
[20:42] <bonny> how do i install skulltag on lubunt
[20:42] <bonny> lubuntu*
[20:42] <bonny> HELP HELP PLEASE !!!!
[20:44] <leszek> skulltag ? whats that ?
[20:46] <bonny> its doom game for online multiplayer
[20:49] <bonny> how can i add it to the repositories
[20:53] <bonny> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO PLAY DOOM MULTIPLAYER
[20:55] <bioterror> yeah, with 0modem cable
[20:55] <bioterror> that's how we did it back in the 1995
[21:02] <bonny> i have a internet
[21:03] <bonny> OMG
[21:03] <bonny> i need a program or a doom that u can play against people online
[21:04] <szczur_> it's #lubuntu channel, not #find-me-a-doom-game
[21:07] <bioterror> when I was kid, we used to use these arrow keys
[21:08] <bioterror> if I remember right, ctrl was for shooting, space opened doors and alt was strafe
[21:08] <bioterror> that's how we played doom
[21:08] <bioterror> when duke nukem 3D came, we started to use mouse
[21:08] <bioterror> and ofcourse, Quake 1
[21:08] <bioterror> and WASD
[21:09] <szczur_> i remember quake sharware game :)
[21:09] <szczur_> good times
[21:11] <bioterror> maybe time for sleep
[21:11] <Brunoirs> bioterror im remembering the good old times
[21:11] <Brunoirs> we had a 56 k modem
[21:12] <bioterror> oh yeah, I burned couple of them with thunder
[21:12] <Brunoirs> when nobody else has internet :D
[21:12] <Brunoirs> no of my friends
[21:12] <Brunoirs> hehe :D
[21:12] <bioterror> and one 28k8
[21:12] <bioterror> wish I could get 90's back
[21:13] <Brunoirs> yes :D
[21:13] <Brunoirs> my father had a pentium 1 i think
[21:13] <Brunoirs> with windows 95
[21:14] <bonny> wow how old are you guys
[21:14] <bioterror> 16
[21:15] <Brunoirs> 20
[21:22] <Unit193> I have a P1....
[21:22] <Brunoirs> is it fast
[21:22] <Brunoirs> ??
[21:23] <Unit193> 120MHz fast!
[21:23] <bioterror> that's newer P1
[21:23] <bioterror> the first 60MHz was ":D"
[21:23] <bioterror> with that kernel bug
[21:24] <Brunoirs> 120 are good :D
[21:24] <Brunoirs> can play cod:mw 2 on it?
[21:25] <Unit193> A few years back I tried to put Xubuntu on it...
[21:25] <bioterror> I had AMD K5 PR166, it was close to 133MHz P1
[21:25] <Unit193> MW2, Starcraft, AOE and.... can't remember...
[21:26] <bioterror> Red Alert!!
[21:27] <Brunoirs> red alert?
[21:27] <Brunoirs> Command & Conquer?
[21:27] <bioterror> ya
[21:27] <Brunoirs> know the tiberium conflict
[21:27] <Brunoirs> funny game
[21:28] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:28] <bioterror> I had 233MMX when I played Wing Commander: Propechy
[21:29] <Brunoirs> wasnt wing commander a star wars game?
[21:29] <bioterror> interstate '79 was around those times when 120MHz pentiums was around
[21:29] <bioterror> '76, sorry
[21:30] <Unit193> Was the 233MMX P2? (That's what I have...)
[21:30] <bioterror> it was i586
[21:33] <bioterror> but now
[21:33] <bioterror> good night ;)
[21:33] <Unit193> Have a good one bioterror
[21:34] <bioterror> I will ;)
[21:35] <Brunoirs> good night
[21:38] <Brunoirs> another question
[21:38] <Brunoirs> sometimes my laptop freezes
[21:39] <Brunoirs> have to reboot then
[21:39] <Brunoirs> is thAT normal with lubuntu?
[21:39] <Unit193> No, I randomly lose USB support and have to reboot, but that's it...
[21:40] <Unit193> Brunoirs: Can you SSH in? Did you look at them logs?
[21:41] <Brunoirs> ssh?
[21:41] <Unit193> !ssh
[21:41] <Brunoirs> !ssh
[21:42] <Brunoirs> no i didnt look at the logs
[21:42] <Unit193> Do you like terminal?
[21:43] <Brunoirs> littlebit :D
[21:43] <Unit193> They are in /var/log
[21:43] <Brunoirs> but i got a girlfriend
[21:43] <Brunoirs> ah
[21:43] <Brunoirs> and i have to look for what?
[21:43] <hutch_> I installed Lubuntu about 2 weeks ago and have had no problems. Loving it so far. High praise considering I've been dedicated to linuxmint for the past 3 years
[21:44] <Unit193> Brunoirs: I would start with syslog (cat syslog if you're in terminal)
[21:45] <Brunoirs> ok
[21:45] <Unit193> hutch_: That's great! It may get even better with 11.04!
[21:46] <Unit193> Brunoirs: Sorry, I can't really help too much with lubuntu freezes... (Also, bioterror is the smart one)
[21:47] <hutch_> Hope so, It would be great to see it get official Ubuntu support
[21:47] <Brunoirs> yes bioterror helped me many times
[21:48] <Unit193> hutch_: That it would... You can also hangout in #lubuntu-offtopic
[21:48] <hutch_> Any idea what the plan is for 11.04? Gnome shell and Unity or stock Gnome 3
[21:48] <hutch_> Unit193 thanks
[21:52] <Unit193> Brunoirs: Getting anything?
[21:56] <Brunoirs> no
[21:56] <Brunoirs> nothing till now


[00:05] <RAOF> Viper550: Yeah, you need to install gnome-tweak-tool to twiddle those knobs.
[00:05] <Viper550> RAOF, I know ... but gnome-tweak-tool has shell and the like as its dependencies
[00:06] <RAOF> Yeah.  That doesn't bother me though.  We should end up with something better than gnome-tweak-tool, though.
[03:19] <thumper> phew...
[03:19] <thumper> everything is working again
[04:05] <jeffrash> quick question about the notification area in Unity.
[04:06] <jeffrash> I've run into several apps that there icons just do not display in Unity
[04:06] <jeffrash> is there a plan to address that problem?
[04:06] <jeffrash> or are you going to require the individual app developer to add support for unity?
[05:21] <didrocks> good morning
[07:00] <oSoMoN> good morning
[12:35] <andyrock> njpatel, around?
[12:36] <njpatel> andyrock, hey
[12:36] <njpatel> andyrock, did you have a chance to update your branch?
[12:36] <andyrock> njpatel, i solved all conflicts (too many conflicts!) in ldevice branch
[12:37] <njpatel> andyrock, nice!
[12:37]  * njpatel looks
[12:37] <andyrock> njpatel, My brother graduated a few days ago so i had no too much time, but i did
[12:38] <njpatel> andyrock, no worries, dude, family > code ;)
[12:38] <njpatel> andyrock, I have one meeting now but I'll merge this right after, thank you!
[12:39] <andyrock> njpatel, thank you too :) goog meeting... see you
[12:52] <njpatel> andyrock, merged, thank you :D
[12:53] <andyrock> njpatel, thx you againg :)
[13:33] <andyrock> JohnLea, ping
[13:35] <JohnLea> andyrock, pong
[13:36] <andyrock> JohnLea, about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/750311
[13:36] <andyrock> could you give me more information?
[13:36] <andyrock> for example the color of the background...
[13:37] <JohnLea> andyrock; The pulse should be one cycle of the 'loading' pulse, same background colour, same in all respects other than it only pulses once
[13:39] <andyrock> JohnLea, ok... it should pulse only if the dragged item belong to launcher?
[13:40] <JohnLea> andyrock; it should pulse in response to both normal files being moved into the trash,  launcher items being removed, and usb key's ejected.  Basically it should always pulse
[13:41] <andyrock> JohnLea, ok ok... thx!
[13:41] <JohnLea> andyrock; no thank you ;-)
[13:53] <andyrock> JohnLea, mmm... i cannot test dnd from destkop to launcher trash icon as it is break in trunk!
[13:53] <andyrock> someone could confirm? ^^^
[14:22] <om26er> DBO, is current ctrl+tab switcher supposed to move to alt+tab ?
[14:22] <DBO> om26er, when it is feature complete yes
[14:23] <om26er> DBO, thx, its looking good btw :)
[15:03] <andyrock> someone could tell me how build unity-window-decorator from sources?
[15:03] <andyrock> i get errors...
[15:15] <mgedmin> andyrock, if you could paste the build log somewhere like http://paste.ubuntu.com/, we might hazard a guess
[15:17] <andyrock> http://paste.ubuntu.com/652472/
[15:17] <andyrock> mgedmin, ???
[15:17] <andyrock> ^^^
[15:17] <mgedmin> okay, I haven't seen that one
[15:18] <mgedmin> does it help if you try 'make' without -j2 ?
[15:18]  * mgedmin <- not a unity developer, just a bystander
[15:18] <andyrock> i think not... -j2 is for using two core :)
[15:20] <mgedmin> yes, but some makefiles are buggy and do not support parallel builds
[15:20] <mgedmin> and since I didn't see any errors about missing include files, I've no other ideas why those types would be undefined
[15:21] <mgedmin> perhaps one of the knowledgeable people will wake up and be able to help you better
[15:22] <andyrock> i've tried without -j2 but i get anyway the error
[15:24] <njpatel> andyrock, you did sudo apt-get build-dep compiz?
[15:25] <jcastro> andyrock: hi! Looking for me earlier, sorry I've been moving house for the past week, I am back now though
[15:26] <njpatel> andyrock, jcastro is lying, he's a slacker!
[15:26] <jcastro> njpatel: no more vacations for you, when you leave no one merges!
[15:27] <njpatel> I had a vacation? I was unwell!
[15:27] <njpatel> jcastro, it's weird, right? Like they forget *every* week
[15:28] <jcastro> njpatel: right, holiday, sick, whatever. :)
[15:28] <jcastro> j/k glad to have you back
[15:28] <jcastro> njpatel: anything notable over the last 2 weeks? We're working on the report now
[15:28] <didrocks> jcastro: I updated the desktop team meeting report in case it can help
[15:29] <njpatel> jcastro, andyrock's device stuff is in, first cut of alt+tab (well, ctrl+tab right now), lots more fixes,
[15:29] <njpatel> jcastro, the real fun starts from this and next week ;)
[15:30] <jcastro> heh
[15:31] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu.com/unity-report-26Jul
[15:32] <jcastro> I just need to add the desktop team report bits
[15:32] <jcastro> njpatel: check it out
[15:34] <njpatel> jcastro, perfecto
[15:35] <andyrock> njpatel, smspillaz is helping about unity window decorator
[15:35] <njpatel> andyrock, sweet
[15:58] <jcastro> DBO: does the download bar and emblem stuff all work on new alt-tab?
[15:58] <jcastro> if you have a screenshot handy that would be awesome
[16:06] <njpatel> jcastro, ping me
[16:07] <jcastro> njpatel: ping
[16:07] <njpatel> jcastro,  at least the emblem works
[16:08] <njpatel> jcastro, what uses the progress stuff?
[16:08] <njpatel> i can make a screenshot, dbo is at the dentist
[16:08] <jcastro> ubuntu one does
[16:09] <jcastro> oh
[16:09] <jcastro> and update-manager
[16:09] <njpatel> okay, ping me again
[16:09] <jcastro> njpatel: ping
[16:10] <njpatel> jcastro, so no download yet, let me give you the shot, hold up
[16:11] <njpatel> jcastro, http://goo.gl/AkGfF
[16:13] <jcastro> what's up with that xchat icon?
[16:14] <Trevinho> Oh, I'm just arrived at home... Meeting in progress? :P
[16:14] <njpatel> jcastro, needs a nicer one
[16:14] <njpatel> jcastro, we're going to see a lot of that now with this new switcher...maybe it'll kick some people up the butt to make nice icons :)
[16:15] <njpatel> Trevinho, !
[16:15] <njpatel> how are you dude?
[16:15] <Trevinho> Fine thanks njpatel
[16:15] <njpatel> Trevinho, ted told me about the middle-click stuf on the indicator...very cool idea
[16:16] <njpatel> (tying it to a menuitem)
[16:16] <Trevinho> ehehe
[16:16] <Trevinho> It was a very asked thing
[16:16] <njpatel> yep
[16:16] <Trevinho> I've implemented it in all the framework... unity and unity-2d included :P
[16:16] <njpatel> i saw...nice one!
[16:16] <Trevinho> Also if actually just the indicator-sound uses it
[16:17] <njpatel> but appindicator supports it too right?
[16:17] <Trevinho> I'd like to use also for other stuffs, like the nautilus progress dialog, or other indicators
[16:17] <njpatel> so it's available to everyone
[16:17] <jcastro> njpatel: the app icons I'm not as worried about as I am of webapp icons, which look horrible even on the launcher, let alone alt-tab
[16:17] <Trevinho> to get faster user experience
[16:17] <Trevinho> yes njpatel
[16:17] <Trevinho> but an appindicator must associate a menuitem to that signal
[16:17] <njpatel> yep
[16:17] <njpatel> i really like that
[16:17] <Trevinho> so we're sure that an option is available also as menu-item
[16:18] <Trevinho> and not only as a secnodary-activate "plus"
[16:18] <njpatel> right
[16:19] <Trevinho> Basically a gtk widget that can be activated, that is enabled, visible and clickable and that is a child of the main menu can be used
[16:20] <Trevinho> Unfortunately working on this stuff involves to work on many, many projects, but we must do that
[16:21] <Trevinho> jcastro: can you include the indicator secondary-activate support in report too?
[16:21] <Trevinho> :P
[16:21] <jcastro> is that the middle click thing?
[16:22] <jcastro> I've already submitted it, mind if I just put it in next week's?
[16:22] <Trevinho> Already submitted? Ah, I didn't read
[16:22] <Trevinho> Ah, jcastro this week I also resumed the support for scrolling over the indicators which was broken...
[16:23] <jcastro> ok, from now on idle here and I'll ping you before hand. :)
[16:23] <jcastro> I always miss something you're working on, heh
[16:24] <Trevinho> No problem...
[16:24] <Trevinho> Ah, and for unity-2d there's also a fix for supporting scrolling over the indicators (that has never worked before)
[16:25] <jcastro> Trevinho: oh I know, when it comes up on OMG just leave a comment with all the goodies
[16:26] <jcastro> njpatel: man dude, the overflow collapsing on the alt-tab is so nice
[16:26] <jcastro> it's like a sideways launcher
[16:26] <Trevinho> Ah, ok... No problem... I just want you to know them, since you don't have to think I'm sleeping :D
[16:27] <jcastro> Trevinho: it's ok, we all know you're working harder than tedg
[16:28] <Trevinho> lol... No, tedg is my mentor and improves all my things! :)
[16:29] <njpatel> jcastro, exactly :)
[16:30] <Trevinho> njpatel: I've also started working on something about panelview and indicators
[16:30] <API> didrocks, njpatel after an update I was not able to start the system using unity, I'm not talking about the repositories, it also happens with the deb packages
[16:30] <API> is this normal, or something specific to my environment?
[16:30] <Trevinho> The entries need to move, and not to be shown "per indicator"....
[16:31] <didrocks> API: how long ago was it?
[16:31] <didrocks> API: there is a light-themes package which shoul workaround the issue
[16:31] <API> didrocks, you mean when I updated the packages?
[16:31] <didrocks> yeah :)
[16:31] <Trevinho> So that unity-panel-serivice defines the order to show them, while the panel shows them correctly...
[16:31] <API> some hours ago
[16:32] <didrocks> API: hum, unity didn't change from last Thursday and compiz for a week, you didn't update before?
[16:32] <didrocks> API: I guess you are in the case of people who are still impacted even with the workaround
[16:32] <didrocks> njpatel: ^^
[16:34] <njpatel> Trevinho, what?! :)
[16:34] <njpatel> API, does unity print anything out?
[16:35] <API> didrocks, I have the more recent light-themes package
[16:36] <didrocks> ok, so you are part of those where it doesn't workaround
[16:36] <njpatel> API, do this:
[16:36] <njpatel> API, killlall -9 unity-window-decorator; gtk-window-decorator --replace&
[16:36] <njpatel> API, killall -9 compiz; compiz --replace&;
[16:36] <njpatel> and see what happens
[16:36] <API> njpatel,
[16:36] <API> http://pastebin.com/85PeAzpm
[16:36] <API> output of unity > log.txt
[16:36] <API> http://pastebin.com/TEYxAgsf
[16:36] <API> output of unity --replace 2> log.txt
[16:37] <API> and now I will test your suggestion
[16:37] <tedg> njpatel, Using the name_hints to do ordering instead of the just library names.  So that things like network manager can be in the proper location.
[16:38] <Trevinho> njpatel: As discussed at the UDS session about indicators, there's should be a way to show some "system" appindicators (i.e. nm-applet) in the correct order. As they are app-indicators, and so entries of the indicator appindicator they would be shown in order as the indicator orders them. But there's no way to put some of them between indicator-messages and indicator-datetime (for example). So I'm
[16:38] <Trevinho>  doing this, as tedg told me that this is something that is just up to unity
[16:38] <njpatel> tedg, Trevinho sounds like fun
[16:39] <njpatel> tremolux, sweet
[16:39] <API> njpatel, about the first:
[16:39] <API> unity-window-decorator: no process found
[16:39] <Trevinho> njpatel: Basically I actually done something where the panel service tells to unity the order of each entry (if known)
[16:39] <Trevinho> so the panel should respect that given order too
[16:39] <njpatel> API, no problem, just start gtk-window-decorator --replace& then
[16:40] <njpatel> tremolux, hmm, the order is inferred by the order in which the data is sent
[16:40] <njpatel> Trevinho, ^
[16:40] <njpatel> tremolux, sorry :)
[16:41] <njpatel> Trevinho, the other issue is that panel expects all entries to stay inside their object
[16:41] <njpatel> indicator-object*
[16:41] <njpatel> Trevinho, its going to be a bit harder to make that work right :/
[16:41] <Trevinho> I know
[16:42] <Trevinho> In fact I was thinking, at the beginning, of crating some "fake" indicator-objects
[16:42] <Trevinho> but tedg told me that we should just use the name...
[16:42] <njpatel> Trevinho, that would work, you could keep a space for the nm menu
[16:43] <njpatel> Trevinho, no, I mean create a "fake" object in the panel-service
[16:43] <Trevinho> Yes, but it would be a workaround however... And not only that menu has to be moved
[16:43] <njpatel> Trevinho, yep
[16:43] <Trevinho> Mh, I'd redesign that completely...
[16:43] <njpatel> hmm
[16:43] <Trevinho> Mh, I'll try to continue what I've in my mind
[16:43] <Trevinho> then if it works I'll show you my code...
[16:44] <njpatel> coolio
[16:45] <joey> alejandra: ping
[16:47] <joey> or dbarth ping
[16:48] <joey> nhandler: these are two good contacts for you re: your question ^^
[16:54] <nhandler> alejandra, dbarth: Since I'm going to be running out and I want to minimize the back-and-forth, I'm essentially trying to find a good channel to forward #ubuntu-app-devel too. I was originally thinking to forward it here, but joey didn't feel it would be a good fit. What do you guys think?
[16:55] <czajkowski> alejandra: hey you about ??
[16:56] <alejandra> czajkowski, hey laura!
[16:57] <czajkowski> alejandra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/816041  not sure who to assign that to
[16:59] <alejandra> czajkowski, hey laura, should be in ubuntu-website-content
[17:00] <czajkowski> alejandra: for assigning ?
[17:00] <alejandra> czajkowski, ellen arnold please
[17:01] <alejandra> czajkowski, (new web project manager)
[17:02] <czajkowski> won't let me :/
[17:03] <API> njpatel, well, I think that I have waited enough ;), sorry no luck, it gets also frozen, on the terminal the last step that I see is "Initializating session options: done"
[17:04] <njpatel> API, hmm, that doesn't make sense :/
[17:04] <njpatel> didrocks, switching gtk-window-decorator didn't work either :/
[17:04] <didrocks> njpatel: hum, weird. API: does using another session, like ubuntu 2d works?
[17:05] <API> didrocks, well, I'm right now writing on the IRC, so yes
[17:05] <API> I didn't test ubuntu 2D
[17:05] <API> GNOME (so gnome-shell) and gnome classic (without effects)
[17:05] <API> worked
[17:05] <API> AFAIR, gnome classic
[17:05] <API> with effects also failed
[17:05] <API> I will test it
[17:05] <didrocks> API: and starting unity from there? with gtk-w-d from the start?
[17:06] <API> didrocks, ok, I will try gnome classic without effects
[17:06] <didrocks> (you can change that in ccsm to force this decorator)
[17:06] <API> execute gtk-window-decorator by hand
[17:06] <API> and then run unity --replace
[17:06] <didrocks> yeah, that should work
[17:06] <API> ok, I will try
[17:06]  * API trying
[17:08] <API> didrocks, well, I have just run unity --replace
[17:08] <API> but it seems frozen again
[17:08] <didrocks> API: did you run the gtk-w-d before?
[17:09] <API> that should work fine or it is normal waiting for some time
[17:09] <API> didrocks, yes I executed gtk-window-decorator before
[17:09] <API> that should work fine or it is normal waiting for some time ?
[17:09]  * API I forget that question mark
[17:09] <didrocks> yeah, it should work
[17:09] <API> :/
[17:09] <didrocks> njpatel: seems there is another issue then ^^
[17:10] <API> fwiw using top
[17:10] <API> compiz consumes 95-100% CPU
[17:10] <njpatel> wtf
[17:10] <didrocks> yeah, seems related to the latest compiz then
[17:10] <API> and btw, I also had some problems with gnome-settings-daemon
[17:11] <API> well, in order to add more info now, recently I moved to 64 bits
[17:11] <API> althouth some weeks ago when I bought
[17:11] <API> it
[17:11] <API> I was able to get unity running here
[17:19] <API> njpatel, didrocks gdb backtrace of the frozen compiz
[17:19] <API> http://pastebin.com/JeGVMkcF
[17:30] <njpatel> jay!
[17:30] <njpatel> jaytaoko, dude ^
[17:30] <njpatel> please help API with that
[17:31] <API> njpatel, well, the weird thing is that it is happening only to me, as far as I see
[17:31] <API> as I said this is using unity & nux from the repositories
[17:31] <API> ...
[17:31] <API> I will try then with the sources
[17:34] <njpatel> API, maybe something is missing or it could just be a memory error, jaytaoko would know for sure
[17:35] <Casper8> Hello
[17:39] <Casper8> I'd like to make developers of unity with access to the code aware of a very easy to fix and confirmed memory leak bug - if this a good place to do so. I'm afraid otherwise this fix won't be included in the 11.10 release, seeing that it such a trivial fix.
[17:42] <API> njpatel, ok, anyway I will need to go home soon
[17:42] <API> should I send a mail to jay, or just create a bug?
[17:46] <njpatel> API, create a bug and assign to jay :)
[17:48] <API> njpatel, ok
[17:48] <API> and thanks
[17:52] <Casper8> Any unity coders in here? I've got a one liner fix for a confirmed memory leak bug in unity.
[17:53] <andyrock> Casper8, do you have a merging proposal?
[17:53] <Casper8> yes, thanks for your time, here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/812975
[17:55] <andyrock> Casper8, this a bug report... you should open a branch
[17:56] <Casper8> oh im sorry, im only responding to a suggestion in the report which pointed me to IRC
[17:57] <Casper8> not sure what to do then, thanks anyway :)
[17:58] <andyrock> Casper8, maybe you could ping a unity developer (i'm just a unity community contributor)
[17:58] <andyrock> and suggets him your patch...
[17:59] <andyrock> but using bzr is better according to me :)
[17:59] <Casper8> andyrock, how do I ping a unity developer? no idea really
[17:59] <andyrock> ping + name of the developer :)
[17:59] <andyrock> but i can help you with bzr
[17:59] <Casper8> andyrock, I don't want to 'annoy' the developer or be spammy, so if it's not a good idea to this, I'm ok with it being simply in launchpad
[18:00] <andyrock> Casper8, indeed
[18:00] <andyrock> if you want i can help you in putting your patch in launchpad ;)
[18:01] <Casper8> andyrock, thanks I'll do that
[18:01] <andyrock> Casper8, ping me when you need support
[18:01] <Casper8> oh sorry, I misread - can you make a patch for me? I mean it's just one line
[18:02] <Casper8> ok ill make a patch later this week and I can ping you?
[18:04] <andyrock> i can make a patch for you if you want but it is not correct and fair :)
[18:05] <andyrock> it is better if you make the patch and put it on launchpad
[18:05] <andyrock> :)
[18:07] <jaytaoko> njpatel: hello
[18:08] <Casper8> andyrock, ok I'll make a patch later this week
[18:08] <andyrock> Casper8, ok ok
[18:09] <jaytaoko> API: hi!
[18:13] <API> jaytaoko, hi
[18:14] <API> im planning to create a bug with all the info
[18:14] <API> just in case
[18:14] <API> before of that I will compile again from the sources
[18:15] <jaytaoko> API: What is the problem that you are having? is this a crash?
[18:15] <API> jaytaoko,
[18:15] <API> no
[18:15] <API> compiz get frozen
[18:15] <API> I already waited for some minutes
[18:15] <API> I included a backtrace
[18:15] <API> but it was a backtrace of the compiz running
[18:37] <ephan> hey
[18:42] <API> jaytaoko, I have just created the bug
[18:42] <API> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nux/+bug/816589
[18:42] <API> sorry, I need to go home
[18:42] <API> thanks, and by
[18:42] <API> e
[18:42] <jaytaoko> API: thanks!
[18:43] <API> jaytaoko, you are welcome
[19:39] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: did you see my PM :P
[19:58] <ephan> I'm just wondering, is there anybody portuguese on this channel?


[13:41] <CarstenG> Hi at all.
[18:13] <trashbird1240> hi
[18:14] <trashbird1240> I'm getting "bzr: out of memory"
[18:14] <trashbird1240> I've narrowed it down to one particular revision
[18:14] <trashbird1240> this is during a pull over the network


[00:03] <jrib> bazhang: yeah he's spamming me too
[00:04] <bazhang> jrib, happy early labor day!
[00:05] <bazhang> every time I talk it gets triggered
[00:05] <dax> bazhang: sorted
[00:06] <bazhang> thax dax
[00:06] <bazhang> err +n
[00:30] <bazhang> hemicuda ban evading, removed and banned again
 what did you do you hacker
[00:32] <bazhang> claims I hacked him , forcing him to ban evade
[01:00] <pangolin> bazhang, * ms-daisy (~chatzilla@ubuntu/member/ms-daisy)
[01:00] <pangolin> was hemicuda pinging them before?
[01:01] <bazhang> pangolin, well close, he typed ms daisy
[01:01] <pangolin> yeah, I didn't notice ms-daisy was active when he was being ot
[01:01] <bazhang> she quit as as soon as he said that
[01:02] <pangolin> :(
[01:03] <bazhang> * [GEEGEEGEE] (~a111a111@host-78-145-82-25.as13285.net): a111a111
[01:03] <bazhang> very painfully spammy quit message ,and joked about missing /ns identify hitlerwasrightetcetc
[08:12] <Lipu> problem with my DNS configuration of my client machine
[08:17] <oCean> Hello Lipu, this is not the support channel, why are you joining here?
[08:20] <oCean> Lipu: how can we help?
[08:23] <Lipu> some one over there suggest me to join here
[08:24] <Lipu> bye then
 How come nothing ever works right in linux?
[09:22] <bazhang> I'm going back to Solaris!
[09:22] <dax> Surgeon general's warning: Solaris userland may be hazardous to your mental health.
[09:23] <bazhang> hehe
[09:24] <bazhang> that nick looks familiar..
[13:19] <oCean> anyone available to keep an eye on #u? With Zoffix kicked/muted and Slikts_ telling me to "stuff it wannabe irc cop", I'm not sure what to expect..
[13:19] <oCean> have to leave in couple of mins
[15:00] <kevinisexploiter> hey can i get unbanned
[15:00] <kevinisexploiter> realy the bad is over im shure
[15:01] <kevinisexploiter> please let me gwet to work here
[15:10] <pangolin> unbanned from where?
[15:11] <pangolin> kevinisexploiter, unbanned from where?
[15:29] <kevinisexploiter> can i get unbanned from #ubuntu
[15:31] <ikonia> nope
[15:31] <kevinisexploiter> why dont u just go to hell ikonia
[18:34] <bazhang> pangolingo!
[18:34] <bazhang> do you speak it?
[18:34] <oCean> is it even a spoken language?
[18:34] <pangolin> I understand it.
 BUUUUUUUUUURP
[18:34] <pangolin> speaking it is much harder
[18:34] <bazhang> limited vocab
[18:35] <Fuchs> my mother WHAT?
[18:35] <pangolin> that was hollywords
[18:35] <bazhang> yep
[21:12] <bazhang> oh lord
[21:12] <bazhang> LINT at it again
[22:02] <bazhang> * [_d4vid] (~stern@pdpc/supporter/student/d4vid): isaac
[22:02] <bazhang> spamming that free mp3 link in multiple channels. he's the one that needed help getting unbanned from -ru a while ago


[04:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/gnome-pie-launcher-ubuntu-ppa
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: morning
[04:30] <ablest1980> gm
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: your in europe?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: ellow :p
[04:31] <ablest1980> im downloading mypain do you have that?
[04:31] <ablest1980> mypaint
[04:31] <ablest1980> us
[04:31] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, yowza
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> for ubuntu?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: whats your time mate?
[04:31] <cfhowlett> mypain?  already divorced her ...
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> 6h31 here
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> lolll cfhowlett
[04:32] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, 12:32 pm central china time
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> cool
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> i wanna travel to china one day
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> ive seen japan already
[04:32] <ablest1980> 1232am here
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !info mypaint
[04:32] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, opportunities of all kinds here
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: i bet its very interesting! wich city are you?
[04:33] <ablest1980> its for tablets i didnt know
[04:33] <ablest1980> ill get gimp
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: what are you trying to do?
[04:33] <ablest1980> gimp is better right?
[04:33] <ablest1980> draw
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: what kind of draw
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> simple? professional?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> photo editing?
[04:34] <ablest1980> fun
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> gimp is little heavy for just fun i think
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> if you just wanan draw lines better download something lightweight
[04:35] <ablest1980> thats why i was going to mypaint
[04:35] <ablest1980> use
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !find paint
[04:35] <ablest1980> thanks
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !info mypaint
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> grr
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> !info gpaint
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> ah small
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> that might be something
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> ablest1980: you can apt-cache search paint also
[04:36] <ablest1980> something like mypaint for notebooks
[04:36] <ablest1980> ok
[04:39] <ablest1980> im trying kolour paint
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[04:39] <ablest1980> 5 star from software center
[04:42] <ablest1980> kolorpaint sucks
[04:42] <ablest1980> its like mspaint
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:42] <ablest1980> lol
[04:43] <ablest1980> do you play chess?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> well if you want professional try gimp then
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> no
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> i like Go online
[04:43] <ablest1980> gimp is the linux photoshop
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> yep
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> its more artistic editing
[04:44] <ablest1980> yes
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> !info pinta
[04:45] <ablest1980> downloading pinta
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> never tested myself tough
[04:48] <ablest1980> how do install programs outside software center?
[04:48] <ablest1980> like say from sourceforge
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> get the deb or add ppa
[04:49] <ablest1980> ok
[04:51] <ablest1980> still tired?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> no why?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> im on the coffee :p
[04:51] <ablest1980> me too
[04:52] <ablest1980> youre not typing
[04:52] <ablest1980> you dont have
[04:52] <ablest1980> to
[04:52] <ablest1980> i think im lagging
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> well on irc, everything goes alittle slower
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> im on several channels
[04:52] <ablest1980> me too
[04:54] <ablest1980> painta is nice
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> cool!
[04:54] <ablest1980> pinta
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> it seemed nice online
[05:11] <ablest1980> bbl
[05:11] <ablest1980> bye
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> kk
[05:29] <ablest1980> hey
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> wb :p
[05:33] <ablest1980> ty
[05:33] <ablest1980> do you program?
[05:34] <ablest1980> is code lite c/c++ python ide or just c/c++ ide?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> no sorry
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> try the ##programming guys
[05:37] <ablest1980> ok
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: morning :p
[07:36] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, how are you?
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx and you
[07:37] <lordievader> Doing okay, reading the Ubuntu Newsletter.
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> wich one
[07:38] <lordievader> The weekly newsletter?
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> url?
[07:38] <lordievader> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[10:40] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[18:04] <BluesKaj> rejerson69, connection probs ?
[18:36] <daftykins> heh
[19:49] <MonkeyDust> no news about 15.10 yet?
[19:50] <OerHeks> Nope, no name
[19:59] <daftykins> Wobbly Windows, clearly
[20:00] <MonkeyDust> or Willy Wonka (if that name rings a bell)
[20:00] <OerHeks> A Fish Called Wanda
[20:05] <daftykins> Canonical in golden ticket printing shocker!
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> a wish called Wanda
[22:10] <daftykins> *sigh* one of *them* again
[22:12] <EriC^> :D
[22:12] <daftykins> perhaps i should walk away...
[22:13] <EriC^> nah
[22:13] <EriC^> it's kind of funny
[22:14] <daftykins> heh, i can't tolerate such ignorance
[22:17] <daftykins> Things to avoid: petting your cat on your lap whilst wearing thin shorts
[22:17] <daftykins> D:
[22:17] <EriC^> lol
[22:17] <EriC^> i want a cat
[22:17] <daftykins> other than the quantity of fur over everything, it's great :D
[22:18] <EriC^> i didn't like them before, but there's a black tiny cat that sits next to my car and the other day my car wasn't running right and it kept staring at me so magestically
[22:18] <daftykins> whilst disguising the tool it used beneath it :D
[22:18] <EriC^> i pretty much fell in love, i fed her a couple times and when i get home/leave she's usually there
[22:19] <EriC^> what tool?
[22:19] <daftykins> on your car ;)
[22:19] <EriC^> oh
[22:20] <daftykins> Here's Mischief: https://www.dropbox.com/s/68t62blrc55f1it/VID_20150420_015606.mp4?dl=0
[22:20] <EriC^> there's a really tiny new born cat at my neighbor's poor thing was screaming like an infant all night long
[22:21] <daftykins> crikey
[22:21] <EriC^> i threw it some meat from the balcony
[22:21] <EriC^> i wanted it soo bad
[22:21] <EriC^> her screaming got really messed up progressively
[22:22] <EriC^> like she had a soar throat or something, couple of days and i got over the idea of getting a cat
[22:22] <EriC^> it sucked when i thought she was there all alone, especially when it was raining outside
[22:23] <EriC^> watching the video
[22:23] <daftykins> i'm quite lucky in that mines very well trained already
[22:23] <EriC^> that's your cat?
[22:23] <daftykins> yep
[22:23] <EriC^> cool
[22:24] <EriC^> lol she's really playful
[22:24] <daftykins> my parents had her along with 2 cats and 2 dogs, but she didn't really get on with the others so i decided to take her on
[22:24] <EriC^> she looks a bit like the one on the street, but cleaner :P
[22:24] <EriC^> i like those cats
[22:25] <EriC^> cool
[22:25] <daftykins> she loves a good groom :>
[22:26] <EriC^> hehe
[23:37] <EriC^> daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xh3z_c4JHk
[23:41] <EriC^> it's pretty funny
[23:44]  * daftykins clicks


[05:11] <jose> jcastro: so, Nathan Williams deactivated his LP account and hasn't responded to my email, I wonder if it's good to take ownCloud maintainership by now
[10:20] <bloodearnest> hello charmers - I have a gunicorn MP here: https://code.launchpad.net/~bloodearnest/charms/precise/gunicorn/upgrade-path/+merge/213236
[10:23] <bloodearnest> it does not appear in the review queue, I think because Michael Nelson +1'ed it, and he is a member of ~charmers (although unsure as to his official status as able to merge)
[10:23] <bloodearnest> also it fixes 3 minor outstanding MPs, listed on the MP comments
[10:24] <bloodearnest> so, if some one could land it, that would clear 3 MPs of the charm review queue. As well as including all the fixes
[11:15] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: yeah, so because of the way charmers is structured, people like inactive-charmers and former charmers are also in the group, so if a now defunct member of the team +1's a review but doesn't merge it - it gets lost :(
[11:15] <marcoceppi> bloodearnest: we have plans to address that next week
[11:20] <bloodearnest> marcoceppi: good to know
[12:16] <circ-user-kFtev> #juju-core
[12:53] <jcastro> jose, yeah, might as well
[13:46] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: can you review/merge this?
[13:46] <marcoceppi> https://code.launchpad.net/~bloodearnest/charms/precise/gunicorn/upgrade-path/+merge/213236
[13:47] <mbruzek> marcoceppi, Yes I can
[13:52] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: thanks
[13:52] <bloodearnest> mbruzek: thanks. cheat sheet for testing the upgrade path: https://pastebin.canonical.com/108935/
[13:53] <mbruzek> marcoceppi, bloodearnest There is another gunicorn MP before this one, do either of you know if they depend on each other?
[13:53]  * marcoceppi heavy shrug
[13:55] <bloodearnest> mbruzek: this one includes the fixes from all 3 currently in the queue (see comments on MP)
[13:56] <bloodearnest> mbruzek: 2 of those are duplicate fixs of the same problem, anyway
[13:56] <mbruzek> bloodearnest, ack
[13:56] <bloodearnest> mbruzek: this one is actually older than all those 3, but got lost
[13:57] <bloodearnest> mbruzek: I just updated it today to include all those issues, and fix an issue michael found about not removing the old service
[14:00] <bloodearnest> mbruzek: you partially reviewed this originally, IIRC, so hopefully is familiar?
[14:01] <mbruzek> yep, I just need the time to review it.
[14:06] <mhall119> jcastro: marcoceppi: what am I doing wrong?
[14:06] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/summit/charms/trusty/certification$ sudo juju bootstrap
[14:06] <mhall119> uploading tools for series [trusty]
[14:06] <mhall119> Bootstrap failed, destroying environment
[14:06] <mhall119> ERROR bootstrapping a local environment must not be done as root
[14:07] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: don't use sudo?
[14:07] <jose> maybe he's doing local
[14:07] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: as of 1.17, bootstrap on local no longer requires sudo
[14:07] <jose> oh
[14:07] <marcoceppi> mhall119: ^^ jose ^^
[14:07] <jose> that's news for me :P
[14:07] <mbruzek> ?
[14:07] <mhall119> oh, must *not* be done as root
[14:07] <mhall119> I fail at reading
[14:08] <mhall119> I assumed it was the old message
[14:08] <marcoceppi> mhall119: np, it's a depature from the previous functionality
[14:08] <marcoceppi> mhall119: you may also need to do some permission fixes in you ~/.juju directory
[14:08] <jcastro> marcoceppi, https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/79
[14:08] <jcastro> can you confirm the syntax on Note: pls
[14:08] <jcastro> I fixed the other stuff
[14:09] <jose> mhall119: make sure to set the default series on your environments.yaml to precise or trusty (I recommend precise) or LXC machine creation will fail
[14:12] <mhall119> jose: it's set for trusty
[14:12] <jose> it's up to you :)
[14:14] <mhall119> well, I'm targetting trusty, so that's what I need :)
[14:31] <mhall119> 2014-04-22 14:30:37 INFO config-changed OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/postgresql/9.1/main/postgresql.conf'
[14:31] <mhall119> using the IS charm for postgresql on trusty, any idea why I get that error?
[14:35] <marcoceppi> mhall119: postgresql is 9.3 on trusty
[14:35] <marcoceppi> mhall119: the charm store charm has already compensated for this
[14:36] <marcoceppi> fwiw, you can mix series in your deployment. IE, deploy IS postgresql from precise, your charm from trusty
[14:39] <mhall119> ok, thanks marcoceppi
[14:39] <mhall119> how do I do that with juju?
[14:43] <marcoceppi> mhall119: just deploy with the series in the deploy command
[14:43] <marcoceppi> mhall119: juju deploy cs:precise/postgresql
[14:43] <marcoceppi> will give you postgresql on precise
[14:43] <marcoceppi> same with local:
[14:44] <mhall119> ok
[14:55] <mhall119> marcoceppi: now I'm seeing a lot of:
[14:55] <mhall119> machine-0: 2014-04-22 14:55:09 ERROR juju runner.go:220 worker: exited "environ-provisioner": failed to process updated machines: cannot start machine 1: no matching tools available
[14:55] <mhall119> machine 1 is my precise target
[14:55] <marcoceppi> mhall119: ah, local provider doesn't upload multiple tool sets :\
[14:56] <mhall119> so I can't mix and match trusty and precise with the local provider?
[14:56] <marcoceppi> doesn't seem so, there might be a beter way
[15:05] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/summit/current_work/summit$ juju deploy cs:postgresql postgresql
[15:05] <mhall119> ERROR charm not found: cs:trusty/postgresql
[15:05] <mhall119> what am I doing wrong now marcoceppi ?
[15:10] <lazyPower> mhall119: There isn't a trusty version of the charm in the store.
[15:11] <lazyPower> mhall119: you can do some testing locally if you have charm-tools installed.  charm-get postgresql  in a trusty directory in your local c harm repository
[15:11] <lazyPower> then deploy from there.
[15:12] <mhall119> marcoceppi said the charmstore charm was ready for trusty :(
[15:14] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: has postgres been promulgated for trusty? i dont see it... but that doesn't mean I missed it.
[15:14] <lazyPower> s/missed it/didn't miss it/
[15:14] <lazyPower> mhall119: we're in a meeting, and i'll follow up once we're out.
[15:31] <mhall119> lazyPower: I'm jumping on a call now myself, so whenever you're free
[15:31] <mhall119> thanks
[15:34] <jose> hey guys, I'm having some troubles with charm helpers, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7307816/ is giving me ImportError: No module named lib.charmhelpers.contrib
[15:36] <mhall119> lazyPower: marcoceppi: one more issue, though postgresql charm didn't work, my django and gunicorn charms say they started, but I can't connect: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7307845/
[15:36] <mhall119> not even to get a django error message
[15:39] <lazyPower> mhall119: i'm fairly certain we haven't reached those charms in the audit. It may be experiencing silent failure on the charm. Without interfacing directly with that deployment i'm not sure.
[15:58] <marcoceppi> hey stub, is postgresql ready for trusty? Should I test for compat?
[16:00] <bigtree> juju bootstrap is timing out when using /etc/rc.local to set up a raid0 and mount it...the script is running fine but juju hangs on 'attemping to connect' when it finishes...any ideas?
[16:40] <renier> bigtree, I read somewhere that the firewall could interfere with juju. I had to disable it `sudo ufw disable` in my trusty vagrant box.
[17:14] <bigtree> @renier, thanks -- I added a 'sleep 60' to the beginning of the script ....that solved the problem but I'm not sure why
[17:53] <Tug> how can I force a unit to stop when I have an error ?
[17:53] <Tug> I ran juju destroy service myservice
[17:54] <Tug> as it was already in an error state it could not stop
[17:54] <Tug> I ran juju resolved myservice/x
[17:55] <Tug> I didn't want to run debug-hooks for each unit (because I just wanted to stop them) so I tried several times
[17:56] <Tug> now I have an error if I try debug-hooks: ERROR cannot set resolved mode for unit "shard1/1": already resolved
[17:58] <Tug> is there a way to force this? I would prefer not destroying the environment nor the machines
[18:00] <avoine> Tug: not that they are  in the resolved status you can't destroy them?
[18:01] <Tug> they are not in resolved status, resolved brought them back in error state
[18:01] <Tug> (because I did not run juju debug-hooks to return 1)
[18:02] <Tug> alright
[18:02] <Tug> I just needed to be patient
[18:02] <Tug> they just got removed
[18:02] <Tug> :)
[18:48] <bigtree> Using juju bootstrap on MaaS is successful, but when trying to add units/other machines juju hangs on login and the juju agent is never started.
[18:48] <bigtree> Anyone have any ideas?
[19:06] <bigtree> Does juju prevent rc.local from running?
[19:37] <marcoceppi> mbruzek cory_fu: https://github.com/marcoceppi/amulet/pull/28#issuecomment-41081228
[19:39] <mbruzek> marcoceppi, we both commented on this.  The changes are safe to make
[20:08] <tvansteenburgh> when i terminate a unit in a peer relationship, is it possible to determine in the relation-departed hook which of the two peers is going away?
[20:31] <hedin> hey, I just installed a 14.04 server and put juju-quickstart on it but when I try to run it, I only get this traceback https://dpaste.de/CEh4
[20:33] <rick_h_> hedin: looking
[20:35] <hedin> rick_h_: thanks :)
[20:35] <rick_h_> hedin: yea, that's odd and not seen that. Filing a bug and will try to replicate.
[20:36] <rick_h_> hedin: ever do much python development?
[20:36] <rick_h_> hedin: I wonder if getting quickstart from another source has the same issue.
[20:36] <rick_h_> hedin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-quickstart/+bug/1311321 at the moment
[20:36] <_mup_> Bug #1311321: ascii can't decode error in 14.04 server install <juju-quickstart:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311321>
[20:38] <Tug> is it possible to run a hook again, even when the status is `started` ?
[20:39] <hedin> rick_h_: no, just a bit of scripting...
[20:42] <rick_h_> hedin: ok, I've filed the bug and will work on seeing if I can replicate in a VM
[20:46] <tvansteenburgh> hedin: curious what the output of `echo $LANG` is on your juju-quickstart machine?
[20:54] <hedin> $ echo $LANG
[20:54] <hedin> en_GB.UTF-8
[20:57] <hedin> I have installed ubuntu-14.04 LTS server on top of proxmox... After ubuntu installation, with only openssh-server selected, I ran:
[20:57] <hedin> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:57] <hedin> rebooted and sudo apt-get install juju-quickstart
[20:57] <hedin> and then juju-quickstart, as you saw in the dpaste
[20:58] <hedin> hmm... locale might give an answer... https://dpaste.de/qCeb
[20:59] <tvansteenburgh> try this:
[20:59] <tvansteenburgh> $ python -c "import locale; locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ''); print locale.getlocale()[1]"
[21:01] <hedin> tvansteenburgh: output: https://dpaste.de/oO2v
[21:02] <hedin> there is no locale.gen file in /etc/ on 12.04 and debian, I just uncomment the fo_FO.UTF-8 line and run locale-gen
[21:08] <tvansteenburgh> hedin: i don't follow...you fixed it?
[21:10] <rick_h_> hedin: this is 12.04? I thought you were on 14.04?
[21:11] <hedin> it is 14.04
[21:11] <hedin> Linux ubuntu 3.13.0-24-generic
[21:11] <tvansteenburgh> i would try:
[21:11] <tvansteenburgh> sudo locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 fo_FO.UTF-8
[21:11] <tvansteenburgh> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[21:12] <hedin> tvansteenburgh: that fixed it, now juju-quickstart runs
[21:12] <tvansteenburgh> \o/
[21:13] <hedin> thanks for the help :)
[21:13] <hedin> maybe there should be added a check if locale's are configured ?
[21:15] <tvansteenburgh> hedin: you're welcome, of course
[21:16] <rick_h_> thanks tvansteenburgh, notes added to the bug. We'll look into a good way to watch for that
[21:16] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: sure thing
[21:16]  * tvansteenburgh goes back to minding his own business
[21:54] <james_w> hi, I have an environment using lxc on trusty, and machine 1 doesn't seem to be starting. Where would I find the logs for that machine?
[21:55] <james_w> ~/.juju/<env>/log only has machine-0.log
[21:55] <james_w> (and a couple of other files)
[21:56] <tvansteenburgh> james_w: any clues in the all-machines.log ?
[21:56] <james_w> ERROR juju runner.go:220 worker: exited "environ-provisioner": no state server machines with addresses found
[21:56] <james_w> that's the only error-looking thing
[21:57] <james_w> to my eye at least
[21:59] <tvansteenburgh> james_w: using local provider?
[21:59] <james_w> yeah
[21:59] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1248800 has that message
[21:59] <_mup_> Bug #1248800: worker/provisioner missed signal to start new machine <deploy> <hs-arm64> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248800>
[21:59] <james_w> and says "restarting the provisioner fixed the problem"
[21:59] <james_w> how would I try that?
[22:00] <tvansteenburgh> i would just destroy the environment and start over
[22:00] <james_w> tried that
[22:00] <james_w> I can try again
[22:00] <tvansteenburgh> :(
[22:02] <bloodearnest> james_w: do you have juju-mongodb installed?
[22:02] <james_w> yeag
[22:02] <james_w> yeah
[22:03] <james_w> re-bootstrapped and the same message trying to deploy cs:ubuntu
[22:03] <bloodearnest> james_w: do you have default-series: specified in your env config?
[22:04] <james_w> no
[22:04] <james_w> only type and admin-secrey
[22:04] <james_w> secret
[22:06] <bloodearnest> james_w: when you bootstrap, does it say "uploading tools [trusty, precise]" or similar?
[22:06] <james_w> [trusty[
[22:07] <bloodearnest> so, not sure it this is the issue here, but it will be an issue with some charms, but you need default-series: precise to get juju to upload precise tools
[22:08] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310317/ is the all-machines.log
[22:09] <jose> jcastro: hey, the 'Please remove jenkins from trusty' bug, would adding the source specified on that page you mentioned and apt-getting work?
[22:10] <jcastro> yes
[22:10] <jcastro> the charm needs to get from their repo
[22:10] <jcastro> since it's not in ubuntu
[22:11] <jose> ok, I'll see if I can work in getting that fix into the queue
[22:28] <lazyPower> Hey so, question
[22:29] <lazyPower> with our current juju boxes not being in alignment with the tutorial that we have on the docs, we should probably temporarily remove that doc section? There's not a planned fix on the horizon for the juju vagrant boxes - pending additional work from hazmat from what i observed earlier today
[22:29] <lazyPower> s/work/assessment
[22:29] <lazyPower> jcastro: ^
[22:37] <jcastro> lazyPower, I agree
[22:37] <lazyPower> ok just so i'm on the right path, i need to make that fix in the MD docs in the /EN branch?
[22:38] <jcastro> yes
[22:38] <jcastro> the instructions are up to date
[22:38] <jcastro> check contributing.html
[22:38] <lazyPower> thanks! i'll mmake that PR before i EOD for the morning.
[22:38] <jcastro> on the live website
[22:38] <lazyPower> wow that came out all janky. I'll make a PR for first thing in the morning.
[22:39] <jose> how should I specify that a charm can relate to *all* interfaces?
[22:39] <jose> (in the metadata.yaml)
[22:46] <lazyPower> jose: what do you mean?
[22:47] <jose> lazyPower: I have the pagekite charm and I want it to be able to relate to literally any other charm
[22:47] <lazyPower> jose: well, thats tricky. there's no catch-all.
[22:47] <jose> oh
[22:48] <lazyPower> my suggestion would be to either define an interface for pagekite, or impelement the interfaces that pagekite should work with, eg: http, reverseproxy, et al.
[22:48] <lazyPower> and go from there. breaking off the expected workload in chunks after its been verified to work. If you do that you'll take care of most of the charms you're concerned with supporting, and users that want something specific can open a feature request
[23:08] <james_w> jose: juju-info I think is the name of the minimum interface supported by every charm
[23:08] <jose> hmm, ok
[23:09] <jose> I'll work in that one tomorrow I think, apparently I have to do some homework today :)
[23:29] <lazyPower> james_w: while that works, it only exposes the remote IP address. I'm not sure how pagekite works but i assume it requires more than just the ip?


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