  Soing something, twidding their thumbs. I have 8G ram
[00:09] <murmel> Appolinaire: depending on how many tabs you have open, that _can_ be an issue
[00:16] <Appolinaire> https://pastebin.com/E2X2RtQF
[00:17] <Appolinaire> I thought so but then someone was showing over 700 tabs using ff and a tree system of accessing open tabs. I was shocked. I am always under 100 usually under 35
[00:17] <murmel> under 100 tabs?
[00:18] <ogra> imi, yes, ssh is the only way to log in by default
[00:18] <murmel> Appolinaire: literally the first line says deb cdrom:// ;) so just put a # in front of it
[00:18] <Appolinaire> murmoi about 45 now.
[00:18] <murmel> Appolinaire: well with 8gigs, that's almost a feat :)
[00:19] <Appolinaire> I have seen hundreds on a phone and the user didnt know.
[00:19] <murmel> yeah, but the tabs are getting "unloaded"
[00:20] <imi> ogra: ok what is the username and the password?
[00:20] <Appolinaire> well I have had that many tabs all the time way back with 2 gigs of ram, years ago.
[00:20] <Appolinaire> iir oc
[00:20] <ogra> imi, no username, no password, the ssh key you put into your login.ubuntu.com account is used
[00:20] <imi> wow
[00:21] <Appolinaire> mumixam, Bashing-om  etc. https://pastebin.com/E2X2RtQF
[00:21] <murmel> Appolinaire: well, probably when js wasn't going rampant ;)
[00:21] <Appolinaire> what is "js is going rampant"?
[00:21] <imi> and how does it figure out to use my key instead of anyone else's
[00:22] <ogra> imi, it has a first-boot setup tool where you configure the network and give it your login.ubuntu.com mail address
[00:22] <murmel> Appolinaire: javascript, makes browsers quite bloat(y).
[00:22] <ogra> imi, it then downloads the key from login.ubuntu.com ...
[00:23] <Appolinaire> tell me about it. so many automatic videos and moving things. I use ublock origin.
[00:23] <murmel> Appolinaire: I disable js, which reduces RAM usage quite a bit. but some websites are basically unusable. did the commenting out of the first line help?
[00:24] <Appolinaire> https://pastebin.com/E2X2RtQF  REGARDING murmel> Appolinaire: verify that it's deleted or has a # in the front in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:24] <murmel> Appolinaire: yes?
[00:25] <Appolinaire> I couldnt find the line murmel so you asked for the pastebin. Took me forever because I named it ---.bak and I couldnt find it... for a while.
[00:26] <enigma9o7> shortcut to pastebin sources: cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |nc termbin.com 9999
[00:26] <Appolinaire> it is now after 5 lol "Everything Takes Longer" that's VanGelder's Rule
[00:27] <murmel> Appolinaire: yes, and if you look at your own link, literally the first line has the deb cdrom:// line, which you need to comment out (put a # in front of the line)
[00:27] <enigma9o7> Appolinaire: you could run `sudo apt edit-sources` then push # then control-x
[00:28] <enigma9o7> or if you're good with sed, that should be trivial too
[00:29] <Appolinaire> I should learn sed. I commented it out with nano.
[00:31] <Appolinaire> thanks enigma murmel Bashing-om bsmith0931  and sarnold
[00:31] <murmel> everything fine with apt update now?
[00:32] <Appolinaire> looks good. updated
[00:32] <murmel> good :)
[00:32] <Appolinaire> cheers. onward
[00:33] <imi> can this configuration stuff be done completely headless?
[00:34] <imi> I have no monitor to attach to my rpi
[00:34] <ogra> no, you need a serial cable or a monitor/kbd ...
[00:34] <imi> serial cable?
[00:34] <imi> you mean rs232?
[00:34] <ogra> yes
[00:35] <imi> iirc rpi4 does not have an rs232 connector
[00:35] <ogra> it sure does 🙂
[00:35] <imi> where is it?
[00:36] <ogra> yu wire up a usb-serial adapter to the GPIO pins
[00:36] <ogra> like this https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable
[00:37] <imi> hm... that's cute
[00:37] <ogra> (works on all Pis, the pins differ between models though)
[00:48] <imi> well, if I have an rs232 connection, why am I not allowed to just copypaste a pubkey?
[00:52] <imi> can I still choose my username on rpi?
[01:38] <bsmith0931> imi: raspi-config, username
[02:17] <kotodama> hi! I've been having a recurring issue with my laptop, it often goes unresponsive after I'm being absent for a while, or after I closed the lid
[02:17] <kotodama> even usually responsive Magic SysRq commands are unresponsive and I need to hard-reset / long press power button
[02:18] <kotodama> I'm on Jammy, but it's been doing it on Hirsute and Focal over the last year
[02:18] <kotodama> there's nothing in kern.log (last entry: PM: suspend entry (s2idle)) nor syslog, syslog though sometimes contains ^@^@^@ chars
[02:19] <kotodama> I'm using plasma-desktop but it seems a system-wide issue
[02:19] <kotodama> afair, it never happened when I entirely disable power saving, or if I manually suspend to ram
[02:20] <kotodama> I'm having encrypted rootfs + swap, if it matters
[02:22] <arraybolt3> You mention that there's nothing in the kernel log, but I'm wondering if maybe earlier in the logs that might be helpful. Can you open /var/log/syslog and search for I/O errors?
[02:22] <kotodama> sure
[02:22] <arraybolt3> Having the system go into sleep and then panic upon wakeup sounds kinda like maybe the main drive is somehow failing to come back online when the system is woken up.
[02:23] <arraybolt3> (An old laptop did something similar to me once.)
[02:23] <kotodama> just before going to sleep I have this:
[02:23] <kotodama> kernel: [2572428.552064] Lockdown: systemd-logind: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7
[02:24] <arraybolt3> That sounds more like Secure Boot is enabled, though that shouldn't be a problem.
[02:24] <kotodama> what's odd though is I have a series of ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@, then I have some more text (I'll paste it somewhere) and only after that, the kernel boot logs appear (at the same second though)
[02:25] <dabbler> What determines what kernel updates get added to [release]-updates?
[02:25] <kotodama> I'd have expected kernel boot logs to appear first
[02:25] <arraybolt3> kotodama: Yeah, that also sounds kinda like disk problems (corruption?).
[02:25] <arraybolt3> Maybe a RAM error would do that, too.
[02:26] <arraybolt3> kotodama: You might try using this tool to see if your system's RAM is working properly or not: https://www.memtest86.com/
[02:26] <kotodama> ah sure, I'll test it
[02:26] <kotodama> one thing that startled me is that it started doing it when I joined Canonical :P
[02:26] <kotodama> I created a new profile on my laptop and afair, it never did it when I was on my non-work profile
[02:27] <kotodama> but maybe it's a red herring
[02:27] <arraybolt3> Probably :P I've never had a new user cause problems like that.
[02:28] <arraybolt3> (and fwiw, while I don't work for Canonical, I do have an Ubuntu SSO account and various other accounts in lots of Ubuntu- and Canonical-related stuff as part of my volunteer work, and my system's don't behave like that.)
[02:28] <arraybolt3> *systems
[02:31] <arraybolt3> I mean, I dunno, maybe if you're using different software than normal as part of your job, perhaps it's somehow conflicting with something else in just the right way to cause a kernel panic? Like, do you use multiple virtualization software systems on this computer (like VirtualBox and VMWare)?
[02:31] <arraybolt3> I can see that possibly being the cause of a kernel panic if your hardware is unusual.
[02:37] <kotodama> arraybolt3: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2vQcmjgR2v/
[02:38] <kotodama> this is today's boot logs + logs of when I suspended it yesterday
[02:39] <arraybolt3> kotodama: This doesn't happen to be a modded Chromebook, is it?
[02:39] <kotodama> nope, it's an Asus laptop
[02:39] <arraybolt3> (I noticed something about chromeos_pstore, I'm thinking maybe you modified a Chromebook to run Ubuntu.)
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Hmm... ok, still looking...
[02:39] <kotodama> thank you :)
[02:39] <kotodama> apart from having lxd snap, nothing unusual I think
[02:40] <kotodama> and even that might not be unusual :)
[02:41] <kotodama> I think I ran a memtest when this first happened ~ a year ago and found nothing
[02:41] <kotodama> (over multiple runs during one full night :p)
[02:41] <arraybolt3> I'm seeing some ACPI errors, that might be the problem.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> Lemme see if I can remember the bot command...
[02:42] <arraybolt3> !acpi
[02:42] <kotodama> ah !
[02:42] <arraybolt3> See if that helps fix things.
[02:42] <kotodama> I initially thought it might be encrypted swap, then I moved it from using a random key to a fixed key but didn't help
[02:43] <kotodama> le met check that
[02:43] <arraybolt3> (Probably don't do the bit about acpi=off, since I think that may disable sleep entirely...)
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Also, what's the exact model and model number of your laptop?
[02:44] <arraybolt3> I can check to see if it has any known kernel settings that help make it work right.
[02:45] <kotodama> it's https://www.asus.com/ca-en/supportonly/ux430uar/HelpDesk_BIOS/
[02:45] <kotodama> I'm one bios version late though
[02:47] <arraybolt3> kotodama: Oh, then I'd definitely give a BIOS upgrade a shot. (Please do yourself a favor and back up your data first if you've not already.)
[02:48] <kotodama> hehe :)
[02:48] <kotodama> hmm indeed acpi=off will disable sleep, would these also disable sleep ? noapic nolapic pnpacpi=off pci=noacpi
[02:48] <arraybolt3> Not sure. I did find that an option "mem_sleep_default=deep" can make sleep more power-effective, according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ASUS_Zenbook_UX430/UX530
[02:49] <kotodama> ah, interesting :)
[02:49] <arraybolt3> That might shake things into working, if it does you can add it into the right line of /etc/default/grub and then run "update-grub" to make it permanent IIRC.
[02:50] <kotodama> yup, I'll do more tests and will give you feedback when I have more details ^^
[02:50] <kotodama> thanks !
[02:50] <arraybolt3> No problem, glad to help!
[02:51] <kotodama> :)
[03:21] <explodes> To make a bootable ISO can you just mount the iso and copy the files to the destination flashdrive?
[03:21] <explodes> I figured it was more involved than that
[03:21] <explodes> https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/create-a-bootable-windows-10-usb-on-linux
[03:22] <arraybolt3> explodes: It is a bit more involved than that.
[03:22] <arraybolt3> (Actually, for UEFI systems it might not be, but for best results you should probably flash the ISO directly to the drive.)
[03:23] <arraybolt3> You can flash an Ubuntu ISO to a flash drive using software like balenaEtcher.
[03:23] <arraybolt3> That's what I usually use, it works great.
[03:23] <arraybolt3> (Note that ISO flashing will delete anything else that is currently stored on the flash drive.)
[03:23] <arraybolt3> explodes: ^
[03:29] <explodes> balenaEtcher-1.7.9-x64.AppImage is some electron app, when I run it I get "FATAL:gpu_data_manager_impl_private.cc(415)] GPU process isn't usable. Goodbye."
[03:30] <arraybolt3> explodes: Oy. I remember there's a workaround, one moment...
[03:30] <arraybolt3> (Also, gotta love the error message. "Goodbye." ?!)
[03:31] <arraybolt3> explodes: Try "./balenaEtcher-1.7.9-x64.AppImage --disable-gpu-sandbox"
[03:34] <explodes> lul https://imgur.com/a/ot7d6uv
[03:43] <arraybolt3> explodes: And that's from trying to flash Ubuntu?
[03:43] <arraybolt3> Oh... no, you're trying to flash Windows on Ubuntu. My bad, Etcher doesn't work for that.
[03:48] <arraybolt3> explodes: Try using this: https://github.com/WoeUSB/WoeUSB-ng
[03:50] <explodes> I have to manually install a bunch of deps for that
[04:07] <Penguin111> Whats the best Ubuntu flavor? Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Etc??
[04:07] <Penguin111> Seeking fast and light
[04:08] <Penguin111> I want to choose a different cipher other than aes-128 for my Linux Install Drive Encryption, how can I set an alternative cipher?
[05:14] <blahdeblah> cccccchdgruvbghhcnfeddgrtglludtjkcdlhgftbvcj
[05:14] <blahdeblah> Nailed it
[05:15] <arraybolt3> blahdeblah: ...?
[05:15] <blahdeblah> arraybolt3: Bumped my Yubikey
[05:15]  * arraybolt3 attempts to pass text through an aes128 cypher
[05:15] <arraybolt3> Oh LOL
[05:15] <arraybolt3> Hopefully that wasn't a security risk, right?
[05:16] <blahdeblah> Nah, it's just a semi-random string that uniquely identifies the hardware key
[05:16] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK.
[05:17] <blahdeblah> So, what I actually came here to ask is: is there a working replacement for gnome-shell-extension-system-monitor on 22.04?
[05:17] <blahdeblah> When I upgraded from 20.04 my system monitor in the top panel broke and it seems there is no official replacement.
[05:17] <arraybolt3> blahdeblah: One moment, lemme find out...
[05:18] <blahdeblah> It seems like there are several different forks/redevelopments of the same thing on the gnome extensions site, but I haven't found one that works yet.
[05:19] <arraybolt3> blahdeblah: I don't see any official replacement, sadly. Man, that looks like a really useful tool too.
[05:20] <arraybolt3> (I see there's a system-monitor-next extension, but I have no idea if it's trustworthy, and I'd guess you probably already looked at it.)
[05:22] <arraybolt3> (Actually, the system-monitor-next extension looks like it's made by the same guy. Did you try it already?)
[05:23] <blahdeblah> That one is the one that ended up looking like the best bet, but I couldn't get it to work. ;-(
[05:23] <arraybolt3> Argh, and I see it's actually a fork. :(
[05:24] <blahdeblah> And the problem is compounded by the fact that now that Firefox is a snap, it doesn't seem like it can install GNOME extensions anymore.
[05:24] <arraybolt3> Though it says it's only forked for packaging purposes I think.
[05:24] <arraybolt3> blahdeblah: Can you use the Extensions Manager?
[05:24] <arraybolt3> I think it's gnome-shell-extension-manager, you can install it with Apt.
[05:25] <arraybolt3> I'm able to install extensions on my system by using it.
[05:26] <blahdeblah> So that's different from gnome-extensions-app?  That seemed to be the preferred extension manager now.
[05:27] <blahdeblah> Sorry: "gnome-shell-extension-prefs"
[05:27] <arraybolt3> blahdeblah: I dunno, I'll see which one I have. ALso, I just noticed some of the dependencies of the system-monitor-next extension were missing on my system, so I'm installing them to see if I can make it work.
[05:28]  * arraybolt3 has to log out and log back in real quick, one moment please...
[05:29] <arraybolt3> blahdeblah: Well that appears to have done the trick, the extension is now working for me.
[05:29] <arraybolt3> I had to run "sudo apt install gir1.2-gtop-2.0 gir1.2-nm-1.0 gir1.2-clutter-1.0 gnome-system-monitor" in a terminal, then log out and log back in.
[05:32] <blahdeblah> I was missing the -clutter- package - I'll give it another shot now.  Well, I need to reboot anyway... :-)
[05:48] <blahdeblah> arraybolt3: 100 cool points to you!  Working now. Thanks for the help.  <3
[05:48] <arraybolt3> \o/ Glad to be able to help!
[05:55] <Appolinaire> I installed opengl now what does that do for me as far as playing games 20.04 i5 dell with 8G RAM and Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[05:55] <Appolinaire>  but I cant figur out if it has any memory on that.
[05:58] <ikonia> Appolinaire: it all dependson the video card and the games needs
[05:59] <rfm>  Appolinaire not sure what you are asking. If you have old hardware, new games are gonna be slow.
[05:59] <Appolinaire> If that isnt a video card I dont know if I have one. would I see with lspci?
[05:59] <ikonia> if you're running a xeon I"m guessing it's more likely a server type hardware ?
[05:59] <ikonia> few desktops run with xeons
[06:01] <Appolinaire> it is a dell 9020.
[06:01] <schoning> Good morning. I am running Pop!_OS but this bug has also happened on Ubuntu and even Fedora. So I would just like to ask where to report it. My HP ZBook is unable to use a second monitor unless I revert to kernel version 5.10.119-0510119-generic. I found out about that via a forum tutorial. But would like to report it so I maybe, eventually, can
[06:01] <schoning> update to the newest kernel.
[06:01] <ikonia> I don't know what that is
[06:02] <ikonia> schoning: for ubuntu launchpad.net
[06:02] <schoning> Thanks ikonia
[06:11] <elwisp> Is it required to disable all 3rd party repos in /etc/apt/source.list.d/ prior to upgrade or does do-release-upgrade fix this ?
[06:14] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade disables them, no need to do it manually
[06:33] <samy1028c> Appolinaire:  The Xeon E3-12231 v3 chip (and others in the v3 line) do NOT have integrated GPU.  However, you're also listed "i5 Dell".  A Core i5 does have an integrated GPU.
[06:34] <Appolinaire> samy1028c, thank you for that info.
[06:36] <samy1028c> You'll need to determine which CPU you actually have installed on that system.
[06:36] <elwisp> how odd. My /boot/ does not have enough space to "do-release-upgrade" even after changing compression. Only have 2 kernels there
[06:36] <samy1028c> elwisp:  what does "df -h" show for /boot?
[06:37] <elwisp> https://pastebin.com/zU6ffGuW
[06:37] <samy1028c> odd.  It should be enough.
[06:38] <samy1028c> Do you need both kernels?  Perhaps run "apt-get autoremove" first?
[06:38] <Appolinaire> samy1028c, is this enough infor? and why do I need this?  - - product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz
[06:39] <Appolinaire> I forgot how to find out how much free space I have on my hard drive.
[06:39] <elwisp> aah, maybe i am wrong here, i think the compression made enough room
[06:39] <elwisp> Appolinaire: df -h
[06:39] <samy1028c> Appolinaire: yes - then you don't have a Xeon CPU.  There are some people who have installed Xeon's into a Dell 9020 but that's not supported by Dell.
[06:39] <Appolinaire> ok I did that but cnat read it I guess samy1028c
[06:40] <samy1028c> Appolinaire:  https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/80815/intel-core-i54590-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-70-ghz/specifications.html
[06:40] <Appolinaire> samy1028c, I am just reading form lshw
[06:40] <samy1028c> Look under Processor Graphics
[06:40] <elwisp> heh, nope, after compression it needs even more space. https://pastebin.com/H7nScAYk
[06:40] <Appolinaire> samy1028c, looking on that page?
[06:41] <samy1028c> The i5-4590 comes with Intel HD Graphics 4600 and you can allocate up to 2 GB vRAM to it (usually set via BIOS/UFEI).
[06:42] <samy1028c> elwisp: odd it needs that much space.  But I usually do an "autoremove" before a "dist-upgrade" anyways so it's been a long time since I came across that problem.
[06:42] <elwisp> samy1028c: yeah i have no old kernels, i have already done autoremove
[06:43] <samy1028c> what version are you currently on and what are you upgrading to?
[06:43] <Appolinaire> thanks samy1028c -- it is too late for me to think, it turns out so till later. good night
[06:43] <samy1028c> you're welcome Appolinaire
[06:45] <elwisp> 20.04.05 and i am going to 22.04.whatever is current
[06:48] <samy1028c> I just checked. I have a VM that was 18.04 and upgraded to 20.04 and it shows /dev/sda2  974M 205M  702M  23% /boot
[06:49] <samy1028c> and I have an Ubuntu 20.04 on Azure that has /boot under / but even so is only using 55MB.
[06:49] <elwisp> yeah my other box is exactluy the same honestly. Its very odd
[06:50] <murmel> samy1028c: yeah but azure is virtualized, with a specialized kernel, so it makes sense that it's super small (basically no drivers)
[06:50] <samy1028c> Unfortunately I can't help on the oddities of 20.04 > 22.04 as it's going to be a while before we get there.  We've been upgrading 18.04 FIPS to 20.04 FIPS slowly but surely.
[06:50] <elwisp> when looking what uses space also https://pastebin.com/9HtNUazj
[06:50] <elwisp> uts current kernel and old
[06:51] <murmel> how big is /boot and how big is the complete disk?
[06:51] <samy1028c> When was the last time you rebooted?  Would that help and then you can do an autoremove again to get rid of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:52] <elwisp> 38 mins ago
[06:52] <elwisp> murmel: check my previous pastebin
[06:52] <samy1028c> murmel: he listed it as /dev/nvme0n1p2  704M  269M  383M  42% /boot
[06:52] <elwisp> dev/nvme0n1p2             704M  269M  383M  42% /boot
[06:53] <elwisp> its all default stuff
[06:54] <murmel> interesting, as my latest initramfs (and the one before) need 108 megs
[06:55] <elwisp> i think i can just delete the old kernel, should work honestly
[06:55] <murmel> elwisp: yeah when you want to upgrade anyway
[06:55] <murmel> and you do know that the latest works
[07:00] <elwisp> i wonder if this is a nvidia issue. Might make the image to big with their phat drivers?
[07:04] <murmel> elwisp: over 380 megs oO hm maybe
[07:05] <elwisp> upgrade running now however :)
[07:06] <murmel> elwisp: gl ;)
[07:24] <elwisp> :( it broke my system
[07:25] <murmel> elwisp: what happened?
[07:25] <elwisp> Its not even runnign anything custom. I installed it in march i think. So it was realatively fresh. Got some obscure error. It lost network connection also
[07:25] <murmel> elwisp: without logs can't say much ;)
[07:25] <elwisp> yeah, i rebooted. now its just spinning wheel. I think this is a  reinstall
[07:26] <murmel> elwisp: at least you will probably fix your /boot issue ;) (my fresh install is almost 2 gigs)
[07:28] <elwisp> yeah, me neither
[07:28] <elwisp> got console now but no network
[07:30] <elwisp> yeah this is a very broken system. Sad that this was going to be my first experience running ubuntu in prod
[07:30] <elwisp> Came from debian when i bought this machine early this year
[07:31] <elwisp> Started networkmanager and still no network
[07:37] <elwisp> so i asdasdasdad
[07:38] <elwisp>  .
[07:38] <elwisp>
[07:38] <elwisp>  .
[07:38] <elwisp> oh, shit, sorry about that, terminal hung here
[07:39] <elwisp> Anyways, i got the nic going in a manual fashion which allows me to run a apt full-upgrade do-release wont allow me to run it befor eall packages are installed
[07:39] <elwisp> I guess this is where zfs shines
[07:55] <elwisp> it broke luks :(
[07:55] <murmel> elwisp: I really wonder what happened. especially with only official repos it should work perfectly fine
[07:57] <elwisp> yeah, me too, the last thing i can remember installing on this machine was some nvidia stuff
[07:57] <murmel> elwisp: and sadly, I wouldn't use the zfs-on-root ubuntu install anymore, still in a testing phase + zsys was almost not included in 22.04 anymore (which would break installs)
[07:57] <murmel> if you want to go that route, you would need to install it the manual way
[07:58] <elwisp> i have another ubuntu machine in the house also. And i upgraded it yesterday only minor upgrade but it had a dependency conflict that i had to resolv
[07:58] <murmel> elwisp: oO
[07:58] <murmel> same no 3rd party repos?
[07:58] <elwisp> yeah, not 3rd party
[07:59] <elwisp> but i guess this is beyond repair now anyways. Just gotta rebuild :/
[07:59] <elwisp> woke up feeling the urge to mess about with the system today hence the upgrade, i have regrets noe hehe
[07:59] <elwisp> now*
[07:59] <murmel> elwisp: it is repairable, question is if you want to go through the motions of fixing it
[08:01] <elwisp> murmel: what do you suggest? livecd and chroot in? It wont even boot now
[08:01] <elwisp> cant find the luks partition
[08:01] <murmel> elwisp: yeah
[08:02] <elwisp> im about to try that now. Just gotta fetch the iso :)
[08:02] <murmel> elwisp: sure :)
[08:17] <elwisp> murmel: i think i forgot how to chroot in
[08:18] <elwisp> is there an ubuntu way to do this or is it just the good ol mount it and run the chroot cmd?
[08:18] <murmel> elwisp: the old way ;)
[08:20] <EriC^^> elwisp: dont forget to mount --bind the /sys /proc /dev /dev/pts
[08:21] <elwisp> starting out with gnome crapping out in the live cd env. Not my day today
[08:22] <murmel> elwisp: did you nomodeset? (you got an nvidia ;) )
[08:22] <elwisp> no
[08:22] <murmel> elwisp: would be helpful
[08:23] <murmel> i really hope the blob will be distributable :/
[08:24] <elwisp> pertty sure this was just some wizard app that bugged out because i clicked around a little
[08:24] <elwisp> trying again
[08:25] <elwisp> murmel: how do i do that?
[08:26] <murmel> elwisp: what?
[08:26] <elwisp> nomodest
[08:26] <elwisp> nomodeset
[08:26] <murmel> elwisp: during boot in grub edit the entry (select the entry, press e, then at the end of the linux line, add nomodeset)
[08:27] <elwisp> ok
[08:39] <kotodama> arraybolt3: hey ^^ I haven't upgraded bios yet, but then as I rebooted after a memtest, tried some options
[08:39] <kotodama> nolapic or noapic immediately freezes computer (sysrq KO, power button KO) on ctrl+x
[08:39] <kotodama> acpi=off option freezes on asking for rootfs passphrase screen
[08:39] <kotodama> I'll do more tries (removing the quiet / splash screen this time heh)
[08:40] <elwisp> alright, i am chrooted in. murmel got any idae whats the next step? :)
[08:41] <murmel> elwisp: verify that your "crypt" stack is using the correct UUIDS, so first start out with /etc/crypttab (which should have the UUID of your /dev/sdXY
[08:44] <elwisp> its the right one
[08:44] <murmel> elwisp: what does your /etc/fstab say about the lvm UUID?
[08:45] <elwisp> it shows the lvm path for the root
[08:45] <elwisp> all looks right to me
[08:45] <murmel> oh right, I forgot
[08:46] <murmel> elwisp: "sudo update-initramfs -uk all"
[08:46] <murmel> btw, the upgrade went through without issues?
[09:05] <murmel> elwisp: still there? xD
[09:06] <elwisp> yeah, its not installed
[09:06] <elwisp> wierd
[09:07] <murmel> what is not installed?
[09:07] <elwisp> update-initramfs
[09:07] <elwisp> which is wierd, because i ran it on that system before upgrading
[09:07] <murmel> oO
[09:08] <elwisp> Should i just install it?
[09:08] <murmel> yeah
[09:08] <elwisp> its so odd however that it would remove that package
[09:09] <murmel> elwisp: I rather wonder if you don't have /usr/sbin/ in your path
[09:10] <elwisp> nah its there
[09:10] <elwisp> anyways, updated now, just reboot to test it?
[09:11] <murmel> elwisp: yeah
[09:12] <elwisp> interessting
[09:12] <murmel> hm?
[09:12] <elwisp> i found something googling, dracut install removes initramfs
[09:13] <murmel> elwisp: yeah, but ubuntu doesn't use dracut
[09:13] <elwisp> oh, will try a reboot then
[09:17] <elwisp> volume group "vgubunut" not found cannot porcess colume group
[09:18] <Habbie> vgubunut or vgubuntu?
[09:18] <elwisp> vgubuntu
[09:22] <murmel> elwisp: I remember that 22.04 had an issue with encrypted installs, but I was sure it was fixed, trying to find it on lp
[09:26] <elwisp> well i am out of ideas
[09:29] <murmel> I right now can't find the bugreport :(
[09:32] <elwisp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1979159 looks somewhat similar
[09:41] <murmel> elwisp: ugh, yes. and it seems there are multiple issues where it can lead to not finding the vg
[09:50] <murmel> elwisp: yeah, sounds like it's easier to reinstall, rather than poking around what's going on oO. sad day
[09:52] <Guest54> Hello, does anyone have or ever had any performance issues running Ubuntu 20.04 on a build with Threadripper 3975WX and Asus Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI motherboard? Running PassMark CPU benchmark yields half of the expected results...
[09:54] <murmel> Guest54: on which kernel are you on?
[09:54] <Guest54> murmel it was the default one, let me check again...
[09:56] <murmel> Guest54: well depends on if you run server or desktop ;)
[09:57] <murmel> desktop has the hwe stack enabled by default
[09:57] <Guest54> yeah, it is desktop
[09:58] <Guest54> 5.15.0-46-generic
[09:59] <murmel> Guest54: I wonder if 20.04 is already "uptodate" enough for zen(2?)
[09:59] <murmel> was 2 or?
[10:00] <Guest54> I think it is Zen 2
[10:00] <Guest54> What do you mean though?
[10:01] <Guest54> I've had another problem with this particular board when the SATA disks wouldn't appear until SR-IOV was disabled or the BMC patched to the latest version that ASUS had
[10:01] <murmel> Guest54: your cpu on zen2 came out after 20.04, and additionally, I can remember that amd wasn't that great back in the day in upstreaming before release of the product (it got definitely better since then)
[10:02] <murmel> on the other hand, I do remember that zen2 was already out quite a bit itself :/
[10:03] <murmel> Guest54: can you boot up a 22.04 live ISO and try passmark?
[10:03] <Guest54> yeah, the interesting thing is that we can get around 60k in passmark for a 3970X build and 5950X
[10:04] <Guest54> sorry, for 5950X it's the same as for this 4975WX ~44k
[10:04] <Guest54> sorry again, 3975wx, sausage fingers :))
[10:04] <murmel> :)
[10:05] <murmel> huh, that's weird then. AFAIR those are also on the same zen2 (besides being more hampered than the pro threadripper)
[10:06] <Guest54> do you think switching to 22.04 could help?
[10:06] <Guest54> currently stuck with 3 of the same build and their performance is less than of the old 3970X we have
[10:07] <Guest54> IIRC 22.04.1 also uses the same version of the kernel
[10:07] <Guest54> tbh, I don't even know where to start digging for the potential source of the problem
[10:07] <murmel> Guest54: sure but the surrounding compilers are newer
[10:08] <murmel> and it's a quick test if something is going on with 20.04 or the mb ;)
[10:08] <murmel> I have seen boards devestating cpu performances
[10:08] <murmel> but it has been a while
[10:08] <Guest54> the board we had before wouldn't post at all, had to return it
[10:09] <Guest54> (same model)
[10:09] <murmel> ugh, wow. sounds like a "Pro" mainboard
[10:10] <Guest54> and last time i checked it was the only option for this particular socket back then :/
[10:11] <Guest54> to be honest, i can't really do anything with it right now, it is in another office and i have to wait for them to put it back on next week
[10:11] <murmel> yeah, HEDT is quite dead
[10:12] <Guest54> i mean at this point i am even considering to ask them to install windows or another distro and repeat the benchmark
[10:12] <Guest54> but this behaviour is consistent on two different machines
[10:13] <murmel> consistent in 50% performance?
[10:13] <Guest54> yes, it stays around 40k in passmark on both PCs, with low of 38k and high of 46k on a good day
[10:13] <Guest54> as opposed to 62k i could hit on 3970x
[10:14] <Guest54> now it's not just passmark, it seems to be affecting the software we use as well
[10:14] <oerheks> did the latest intel microcode fix retbleet?
[10:15] <murmel> oerheks: afaik yes
[10:15] <oerheks> that could explain the drop for zen/zen2/zen3, 50%++
[10:15] <Guest54> we run a video capture and process each frame, with 3970X it would be consistent ~50fps but with 3975wx it is around 25fps at best
[10:15] <Guest54> but why this particular model :S
[10:16] <murmel> Guest54: I assume you checked that cpu temps are okay?
[10:17] <Guest54> they stay around 80-85c
[10:17] <Guest54> which I think is considered ok
[10:18] <murmel> yeah max is 90, just can't remember when it starts to throttle
[10:18] <Guest54> we also checked if memory speed was a major factor, turns out DOCP (XMP) wasn't enabled, but this didn't help at all
[10:19] <murmel> i would honestly try 22.04 (as it's a fast test) and then win10/11, but afaik windows doesn't have a great scheduler for ccx configurations
[10:19] <murmel> if 22.04 I would probably load the live ISO into ram, so there is definitely no bottleneck
[10:20] <murmel> but sounds like there is definitely something wrong, (I mean outside of sw)
[10:20] <Guest54> yes, that is the plan for when they are able to bring this system back online
[10:20] <murmel> but just my intuition
[10:20] <Intelo> How to check luks encyprted disk via fsck? its ext4
[10:20] <Guest54> i was also considering using 18.04
[10:20] <murmel> Intelo: unlock luks and then run fsck
[10:21] <Guest54> thank you
[10:21] <murmel> Guest54: eh, I wouldn't, but it's also on the same kernel ;) if we are talking about that
[10:21] <TomyWork> I'm on 18.04. I just ran "sudo update-ca-certificates" and it did something (removed a bunch of old certs). Isn't that supposed to run automatically, when new certificates are installed or removed?
[10:22] <TomyWork> My actual issue is that curl doesn't recognize letsencrypt certs, while firefox does. curl uses /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt, which is created by update-ca-certificates.
[10:23] <TomyWork> if I download the letsencrypt R3 cert and use it with --cacert, it works, but isn't letsencrypt supposed to be in the cert store by default?
[10:25] <murmel> TomyWork: maybe? https://letsencrypt.org/docs/dst-root-ca-x3-expiration-september-2021/
[10:25] <Intelo> murmel whats the path to disk ?
[10:25] <murmel> which maybe implies that the new one is not available for 18.04?
[10:25] <Intelo> the /dev/.sss?
[10:25] <Intelo> my original one is /dev/sda
[10:25] <Intelo> but after unlock. i do not know what it is
[10:25] <TomyWork> murmel, that was a year ago though and certs from other hosts work
[10:25] <murmel> Intelo: /dev/sdX or /dev/nvmeXXX
[10:26] <TomyWork> though I got those other certs using cert-manager and this one via acme.sh (yes, with --server letsencrypt)
[10:26] <murmel> ahh
[10:26] <Intelo> and how to open?  with `cryptsetup open` or `cryptesetup luksopen` ?
[10:26] <Intelo> murmel no. /dev/sda is encrypted one
[10:26] <murmel> Intelo: open or luksOpen, doesn't matter
[10:26] <Intelo> murmel it cannot be scanned.
[10:27] <Intelo> murmel even open. i think it should be /dev/mapper/sda
[10:27] <Intelo> not /dev/sda
[10:27] <murmel> ahh you are right, sorry
[10:27] <Intelo> do I need to mounted it ?
[10:27] <murmel> I definitely need more sleep :(
[10:27] <murmel> no
[10:27] <Intelo> so it automatically maeks it /dev/mapper/sda or I have to name it ?
[10:27] <Intelo> whats the single comand to fsck ALL things and fix it too
[10:28] <murmel> if you open it yes, it gets created, and then you can just fsck /dev/mapper/
[10:28] <murmel> man fsck.ext4?
[10:28] <Intelo> man dont work for me
[10:28] <Intelo> i am confused
[10:28] <Intelo> brb
[10:33] <TomyWork> ok I see a difference between those servers. the working server returns the whole chain
[10:34] <TomyWork> not sure why the new server doesn't do that, since I told it to do that
[10:34] <ravage> TonyStone, make sure you have " !mozilla/DST_Root_CA_X3.crt" /etc/ca-certificates.conf and run update-ca-certificates
[10:35] <TomyWork> this is not a solution. this has to work on a bunch of other servers too. I dont want to do this on every single one of them
[10:36] <ravage> it is a solution. if you want to look for a better one you can do that of course
[10:38] <TomyWork> "manually add the cert" is not a solution to "the cert isn't added automatically
[10:38] <ravage> good luck
[10:38] <TomyWork> also the root cert is already in there. the intermediate cert is the difference, so what you're proposing wouldn't even work
[10:40] <elwisp> murmel: yeah, cooying out home now
[10:41] <murmel> elwisp: hf :)
[10:44] <elwisp> wish i had the 10 gig network going atm. 1 TB data over rsync
[10:46] <murmel> elwisp: oof, really sounds like you need a better backup system, where you don't have to sync that much one at a time
[10:50] <elwisp> i do have borg running as well
[10:50] <elwisp> But it does not take the downloads folder
[10:50] <elwisp> which i like to keep but its not critical
[10:52] <brvadiraj46> what is a docker and why its needed?
[10:52] <murmel> brvadiraj46: it not necessarily needed, but it's a neat way to containerize stuff
[10:52] <murmel> elwisp: but still 1tb is quite a lot (imo especially for downloads)
[10:52] <ravage> docker is a whale mostly fed by devops
[10:53] <elwisp> yup :)
[10:53] <brvadiraj46> I mean what problems do docker solve?
[10:53] <brvadiraj46> I have hard time understanding it
[10:53] <murmel> brvadiraj46: security, and repeatable deployments
[10:53] <ravage> it is debatable if it solves more than it creates. check dockoer.io
[10:54] <ravage> docker.io
[10:54] <murmel> yeah security is very questionable, (one reason why I moved on to podman)
[10:55] <ogra> brvadiraj46, it isolates your app from the rest of the system ... though in ubuntu you should really rather use lxd (it is preinstalled and fully supported)
[10:55] <murmel> ogra: eh, lxd covers a different use case imo, not the docker use case though
[10:55] <TomyWork> that's not the problem it solves though, ogra
[10:56] <TomyWork> brvadiraj46, you know when you set up an application, you take a lot of time getting the OS ready for it, right?
[10:56] <ogra> what is the problem then ?
[10:56] <brvadiraj46> yes
[10:57] <TomyWork> brvadiraj46, docker standardizes the way an application is invoked. the application brings all of its dependencies with it, usually in the form of a stripped-down linux distro. docker runs that image and it talks to your linux kernel only, not to the rest of your system
[10:58] <brvadiraj46> I have a very old macbook pro... I can't go beyond catalina on it... can i use docker to install latest version of ubuntu on it and work on ubuntu
[10:58] <ogra> just like snaps or like lxd images do ...
[10:58] <TomyWork> brvadiraj46, no
[10:59] <ravage> brvadiraj46, you can probably just install Ubuntu on it as your primary system
[10:59] <murmel> brvadiraj46: depends on what you mean by working on ubuntu
[10:59] <TomyWork> either that, or a VM
[10:59] <ogra> brvadiraj46, for that you'D likely rather use parallels (or some other VM technology)
[10:59] <murmel> UTM is a good FOSS solution
[10:59] <ogra> or install natively as ravage said ...
[10:59] <murmel> if going the vm route
[10:59] <TomyWork> docker is more for running applications, not a whole linux distro
[11:00] <murmel> and additionally, you need to be careful who you add to the docker group (as it's basically giving somebody root)
[11:01] <TomyWork> brvadiraj46, btw when I talk about an application, I mean a server application
[11:01] <murmel> you can also deploy desktop applications *shrug*
[11:01] <ogra> well, you can run desktop applications just fine from containers as well
[11:02] <ogra> (see snaps)
[11:02] <Intelo> murmel I am back.
[11:02] <TomyWork> murmel, not really what it's designed for, though
[11:02] <Intelo> Any command to fully and forcefully check and fix ext4?
[11:02] <TomyWork> (I mean docker, specifically)
[11:03] <TomyWork> Intelo, e2fsck i think
[11:03] <TomyWork> it's clled e2 but it's really for ext2-4 :)
[11:04] <ogra> Intelo, really depends how broken it is ... if you are unlucky a forced check will just fill your lost+found folder and your data is broken
[11:04] <brvadiraj46> for our application, I don't need to setup anything locally... we use AWS for MySQL, dynamoDB and elastic cloud for elasticsearch
[11:04] <brvadiraj46> when everything is in cloud, why docker
[11:04] <TomyWork> well all of these use things from the same ecosystem as docker
[11:05] <ravage> if you want to discuss anything Ubuntu relates please use #ubuntu-discuss . a general docker discussion maybe in #ubuntu-offtopic or another suitable room
[11:05] <ogra> yeah, this is getting pretty offtopic for this channel
[11:07] <TomyWork> brvadiraj46, let's go to #docker
[11:07] <Intelo> tomreyn note fsck.ext4 -pyfcv ?
[11:07] <TomyWork> why highlight t omreyn and T onyStone. read your message, people ^^
[11:07] <TomyWork> Intelo, also, idfk
[11:08] <Intelo> idfk?
[11:08] <TomyWork> i dont f know
[11:08] <Intelo> :)
[11:08] <TomyWork> man fsck.ext4 brings up the manpage for e2fsck though
[11:08] <TomyWork> so it stands to reason that the former is just an alias for the later
[11:16] <Guest25> Hi all! I just upgraded my Xubuntu machine (which I configured for full disk encryption according to this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019) to 22.04 LTS and now I can't boot anymore (initramfs) :-/ Is anyone here willing to help and assist me? (It's my first time in this chat, please bear with me... Don't know
[11:16] <Guest25> whether this is the right channel.) Any help would be greatly appreciated!
[11:28] <elias_a> Guest25: Just stay on the channel and wait. I am terrible with initramfs problems.
[11:28] <ravage> you could give some more information on the actual error until then :)
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> Guest25: try to state & detail your exact issue; volunteers can try to help with the most info you give them
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> !details
[11:42] <elwisp> is it possible to backup package state from a system so that i can just install the packages on a new system?
[11:43] <Guest25> okay. After the upgrade, I rebooted and first encrypt the disk with the master password. That works. Then GRUB, selecting regular ubuntu. Then the xubuntu start up screen appears relatively long, and then the busybox, initramfs prompt appears. Before that (but I think this is not relevant) the following statement is printed:
[11:43] <Guest25> > [ 0.191141] x86/cpu: SGX disabled by BIOS.
[11:43] <Guest25> typing `exit` in initramfs results in the following message:
[11:43] <Guest25> > Gave up waiting for root file system device. Common problems:
[11:43] <Guest25> >  - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline)
[11:43] <Guest25> >    - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?)
[11:49] <murmel> ugh, second one today :/
[11:49] <murmel> Guest25: do you have a live USB ready?
[11:50] <murmel> Guest25: btw, did you encrypt /boot? at least the way you wrote it, sounds like it
[11:52] <Guest25> murmel Yes I have a live USB. And I followed this instruction here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 which encrypts boot
[11:57] <murmel> Guest25: so which means your second password entry fails?
[11:59] <Guest25> murmel I just type one password when starting. I don't have a second password to enter.
[12:00] <murmel> Guest25: can you post the real error you get after grub? because the things you posted shouldn't error like this out. (maybe even remove quiet splash)
[12:06] <root__> failed to execute default web browser
[12:06] <root__> please help
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | root__
[12:08] <ogra> !details | root__
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> !backup | elwisp can this help?
[12:10] <murmel> lotuspsychje: I mean he already back ups with borg
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> oh i see, wasnt following before
[12:12] <Guest25> murmel to remove quiet splash, I change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in `/etc/default/grub` right? I do this from initramfs? or when starting with the old kernel? or with the live usb?
[12:14] <murmel> Guest25: you can edit the boot line by pressing e during the grub menu selection
[12:14] <murmel> so it will be only removed for 1 boot
[12:21] <Guest25> murmel ah yes, that is much easier. Is there a file share in this chat? What's the easiest way I can show you  a picture of the output?
[12:21] <murmel> imgbb.com / imgur.com
[12:24] <Guest25> murmel great! here it is: https://ibb.co/8Y45QpN
[12:30] <murmel> Guest25: can you please try #5 from this bugreport? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1979159
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:42] <zaggynl> hi
[12:50] <neoclust> hi
[12:50] <neoclust> can someone show me a valid sourcelist for jammy ? ( 22.04 )
[12:51] <murmel> neoclust: https://paste.debian.net/1254763/
[12:51] <murmel> edit mirror to your liking
[12:53] <neoclust> murmel: thank you :-)
[13:07] <SteelRose> is jammy finally working? last time I tested it, it was a complete failure...
[13:08] <SteelRose> forget what I said... there's an IM tool with a similar name
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> im getting a notify on ubuntu-desktop jammy pending update on snap-store and when i snap refresh cli getting an error its running; lotuspsychje@R00TB00K:~$ snap refresh snap-store
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> fout: cannot refresh "snap-store": snap "snap-store" has running apps
[13:21] <lotuspsychje>       (ubuntu-software), pids: 4386
[13:23] <ogra> lotuspsychje, kill 4386 ... then try again
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> running, tnx ogra
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> already reported so i see; bug #1989011
[13:32] <ibn-batot> does anyone consider to have "Ubuntu Professional Certification" ??
[13:33] <zaggynl> wikipedia says it's been discontinued
[13:33] <ibn-batot> i just finished reading it.
[13:33] <ibn-batot> where does it say so ?
[13:34] <QNX> Hello, Ubuntu 22.04, locate does not work. No db gets built in chgrp: cannot access '/var/lib/plocate/plocate.db': No such file or directory
[13:34] <QNX> same with mlocate database
[13:34] <ibn-batot> zaggynl yes u r right
[13:36] <ibn-batot> zaggynl then how can the proffesionality be mmeasured ?
[13:41] <QNX> Unfortunately, by default, it does go well with the BTRFS filesystem and its subvolumes (see, e.g., this bug), resulting in empty results for all searches basically.
[13:41] <QNX> https://www.lorenzobettini.it/2022/07/locate-and-btrfs/
[13:44] <QNX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plocate/+bug/1968190 here is the bug
[13:51] <GSMarquis> Is the Ubuntu image shipped on Dell dev laptop different than Ubuntu image?
[13:51] <leftyfb> GSMarquis: I think it's just the oem kernel with a bunch of their own repo's and packages installed
[13:52] <GSMarquis> Can you get ahold of it without having bought the said dev edition?
[13:52] <SteelRose> GSMarquis:  you can always dowload an Ubuntu ISO and do a fresh install ... ;-)
[13:52] <leftyfb> GSMarquis: you'll have to contact Dell on that one
[13:53] <GSMarquis> I feel the fresh install from Ubuntu does not address specific sleep, power, and wifi areas
[13:54] <leftyfb> GSMarquis: I can almost guarantee the Dell repo's don't contain anything in the way of wifi drivers
[13:54] <GSMarquis> Prob more of a preset configuration settings thing
[13:56] <GSMarquis> In all my searchings I have only found the power edge server stuff
[13:57] <leftyfb> GSMarquis: call Dell
[13:58] <GSMarquis> Yea.....I will see how far that gets me. Most likely stop with service tag.
[14:02] <oerheks> you have a recovery icon on that dell desktop, to create such iso
[14:05] <GSMarquis> I did not buy the dev version. Just installed a new ssd and wanted Ubuntu. Its on there, just was looking for no-nonsense way of working 100% out of box. I will play with it and iron out my issues.
[14:58] <lirodon> having issues since the most recent kernel updates. running a system with an AMD Ryzen 2200G on integrated graphics, my computer is refusing to come back out of standby properly, and I have to do a hard reset in order to boot back into the OS.
[14:59] <lirodon> *on 20.04, 5.15.0-48
[15:02] <kotodama> arraybolt3: I think I found my culprit, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213023
[15:03] <kotodama> it seems to have been introduced around the same time I started at Canonical and there's been some back and forth with patches/reverts/new patches
[15:04] <kotodama> indeed I don't have /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/acpi_cppc
[15:04] <arraybolt3> kotodama: Looks like the problem.
[15:04] <arraybolt3> ACPI issues are always messy. You *might* (and this is a big *might* since it's an unsupported solution and may disable features that you're used to having in your Ubuntu kernel), but you *might* try installing a mainline Linux kernel and see if that fixes it.
[15:04] <kotodama> I'll try a 5.18.14 kernel
[15:04] <kotodama> hehe :)
[15:05] <arraybolt3> I'm pretty sure 5.18 is EOL, so running it from mainline isn't the best idea for security.
[15:05] <kotodama> and it doesn't mean my wake up issues will be gone, it only talks about error messages
[15:05] <kotodama> ah indeed
[15:05] <arraybolt3> 5.19 is out and supported though, I beliebe.
[15:05] <arraybolt3> *believe
[15:05] <kotodama> well, hopefully further versions still have the patch
[15:05] <arraybolt3> Almost certainly. The Linux kernel people take regressions pretty seriously.
[15:06] <kotodama> I still need to update my bios though ^^
[15:06] <kotodama> hehe I can imagine
[15:06] <kotodama> thanks again for your support :3
[15:06] <arraybolt3> Sure. I think getting rid of the error messages will help the sleep problem.
[15:06] <arraybolt3> ACPI is, IIRC, the part of your system that handles power management stuff like sleep.
[15:07] <leftyfb> !bug | lirodon
[15:08] <arraybolt3> lirodon: Probably report it as a Linux kernel bug.
[15:09] <arraybolt3> I'd report it against linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04.
[15:09] <arraybolt3> ER... no, wrong package name...
[15:09] <arraybolt3> linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[15:09] <arraybolt3> ^^^ right package name most likely
[15:14] <lirodon> ah alright
[15:17] <eelstrebor> since upgrading to ubuntu 22.04, i have been getting a lot of messages of held back packages. why is that?
[15:21] <rbasak> eelstrebor: https://askubuntu.com/a/1421130/7808
[15:21] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[15:23] <eelstrebor> interesting - always something new
[15:25] <eelstrebor> i used apt install to install the held back packages. so far i haven't messed up my system. i guess i'll let the phased updates do their thing from now on.
[15:29] <eelstrebor> sure are a lot of features for linux - i wish i had time to look through all of them - there are probably some that are useful for me but i usually don't find them unless i stuble across them when researching something else - for example, i discovered zram
[15:31] <eelstrebor> i hope zram fixes my problems with firefox tabs crashing frequently.
[16:14] <Guest25> murmel I managed to fix it now. When mounting the partitions in the live usb, I made the mistake to mount one partition not under the exact same name. Just found out due to the cryptsetup WARNING: `target 'nvme0n15' not found in /etc/crypttab`. Nevertheless the `"ubuntu-vg" not found` error still appears at startup, so apparently this was not the
[16:14] <Guest25> problem... Thanks a lot for your help!
[16:16] <arraybolt3> Guest25: Do you need help getting back into your system? I know what commands to type into the initramfs shell to get it back running.
[16:22] <Guest25> arraybolt3 I fixed it now.  thanks for your offer.
[17:01] <mifa> How would I go about using the vanilla gnome shell with ubuntu?
[17:04] <arraybolt3> mifa: Probably just disable all of the GNOME extensions Ubuntu ships with by default. I just did that and it seems to work.
[17:05] <arraybolt3> (Though the Minimize buttons are still there I notice.)
[17:05] <mifa> Do I need to install gnome-session as well?
[17:05] <mrkubax10> is there point of using ubuntu if you want to disable almost all of it's features?
[17:05] <arraybolt3> mifa: No clue. I don't really know the answer to this, the thing I thought would work didn't actually work all the way.
[17:06] <arraybolt3> mrkubax10: The Ubuntu Desktop experience is only a part of Ubuntu's usefulness, so if someone liked Ubuntu's internals but GNOME's usual look-and-feel, that makes sense to me.
[17:06] <mrkubax10> right
[17:06] <arraybolt3> (You also have Ubuntu's stability and internals, the Ubuntu kernel, five years of support, ability to shout for help in this channel, etc.)
[17:06] <mifa> mrkubax10: I just like the more vanilla GNOME feel, but also want the 5 years of support and other stuff ubuntu provides.
[17:08] <arraybolt3> Funny thing is I've seen Ubuntu remixes sometimes go into vanilla GNOME shell mode when things go wrong or you fiddle with them just right, so I know this is doable. I don't want to fiddle around too much though since I actually like Ubuntu's default look and feel and don't want to break anything :)
[17:09] <mifa> I can't wait for 24.04 because gnome 43 looks pretty awesome so far.
[17:09] <arraybolt3> Anyway, stick around, someone here with more experience in this field might know the answer. (I may also go ahead and spin up an Ubuntu VM and see if I can fiddle with it to make it work the way you want.)
[17:10] <arraybolt3> ?! Somehow I don't have the Ubuntu Jammy ISO on this system... I must have deleted the old one when 22.04.1 was released or something.
[17:10]  * arraybolt3 downloads
[17:13] <ogra> mifa, ubuntu only ships two extra extensions (and artwork) ... just disable them ... done
[17:14] <arraybolt3> ogra: I tried that and it still left the Minimize button enabled (which does weird things when the Ubuntu extensions are disabled). I wonder if a logout and login would rectify it?
[17:14] <ogra> (desktop icons and the panel)
[17:14] <ogra> IIRC you can turn off the button in tweaks
[17:15] <ogra> (maximize as well)
[17:48] <eN_Joy> just installed a new python3.10 upgrade, and got `Package 'python3.10-venv' has no installation candidate`....
[17:52] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy python3.10-venv) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:54] <eelstrebor> apparently, setting  up swap didn't fix my firefox problem - crashing tabs and sometimes the entire browser crashes
[17:54] <Appolinaire> any wisdom on installing steam. First it asked if I am running out of space. Nope using 150 of 500. Now You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: --- shall I reinstall? I dont remember what to do with a *.deb file. (20.04)
[17:55] <arraybolt3> Appolinaire: I'd stop immediately. Some people accidentally shred their systems trying to install Steam.
[17:55] <arraybolt3> Appolinaire: It's possible that the .deb file is just wonky at the moment. Wait a day, then redownload it and try to install again.
[17:56] <Appolinaire> OK. but I dont know what to do with it. (&thanks for the headsup and will backup first. I am going to reinstall 22.04 on a reformatted hard drive.)
[17:56] <Appolinaire> arraybolt3 ^^
[17:57] <Appolinaire> I am missing 17 libraries.
[17:57] <arraybolt3> Appolinaire: The way to install a .deb file that works for me most often is to open a terminal in the folder containing the .deb, and run "sudo apt install ./<name of deb file>.deb".
[17:57] <Appolinaire> how do I remove it?
[17:57] <arraybolt3> Appolinaire: If you have missing libraries, it's probably not installed at all.
[17:57] <arraybolt3> Appolinaire: Like, can you show the message you got from trying to install it?
[17:58] <Appolinaire> gotcha. I think I want to remove it completely and then reinstall. But if I click steam I get the app and the sign in and that psrt.
[18:00] <Appolinaire> I did show you already.  It said it couldnt install it, am I running out of space on my hard drive. THen the other that I  copied - with a list of 17 libraries  - the dialog box was titled error and was black, not steam blue. OK not black, dark greyl.
[18:00] <Appolinaire> Then Steam in same color, sorry the game is not available for your setup.
[18:01] <oerheks> ' sorry the game is not available for your setup.'  just is a message, not an error.
[18:02] <Appolinaire> You might be right. Show applicatons no longer has steam
[18:03] <Appolinaire> I will do some more research by myself. Thanks arraybolt3
[18:04] <Appolinaire> OIC I probably had the steam installer.
[18:04] <Appolinaire> if you care I am reading https://itsfoss.com/install-steam-ubuntu-linux/
[18:07] <eN_Joy> thanks leftyfb !
[18:08] <yo_> hey guys!
[18:09] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: the command I gave you should result in a link that you should share here so we can help troubleshoot your issue
[18:10] <eN_Joy> leftyfb: I know, I thanked you for the kind reminding;-) I am a veteran user but can't believe I ignored such fundamentals lol!
[18:10] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: so I assume you resolved your issue? What was it?
[18:10] <yo_> this is my second day of trying linux!
[18:11] <yo_> im ubuntu user because i really like it
[18:11] <leftyfb> yo_: this is a support channel. If you'd like to chat, feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:11] <yo_> Oh sorry thanks
[18:14] <eN_Joy> leftyfb: not really solved... I am going to wait few more days for canonical to realize and fix the issue, in the mean time, I installed python3.11rc2 for immediate jobs...btw I am on `"22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)"` and apt policy for `python3.10-venv:` showed `None` for both `Installed` and `Candidate`
[18:15] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: python3.10-venv is in the ubuntu 22.04 repo's
[18:15] <leftyfb> it's in jammy-updates, -security and /universe
[18:16] <leftyfb> version 3.10.6-1~22.04 in -updates
[18:16] <eN_Joy> Yes, I had it prior to today's upgrade, and it was removed with the upgrade...
[18:18] <oerheks> maybe the previous venv was uninstalled?
[18:18] <eN_Joy> https://termbin.com/0htx
[18:19] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: to be clear, if you installed python3.11, that isn't supported by Canonical or here. 3.10 is available from the official repositories. If you're having issues with 3.11, you'll need to seek support from wherever you got it from
[18:19] <oerheks> time to run apt update first..
[18:19] <leftyfb> ah, WSL complicates things a bit as well
[18:20] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: either you have broken repo's or you're not running an officially supported release of ubuntu
[18:20] <leftyfb> or yeah, just need to run apt update
[18:21] <eN_Joy> also https://termbin.com/i4wl
[18:23] <oerheks> looks like phazed updates?
[18:24] <eN_Joy> oerheks: as leftyfb WSL can comlicate things... I had 3.11 from deadsnakes (luckily with venv) so I am good for now lol!
[18:24] <leftyfb> oerheks: phased updates only apply when updating a package. It won't prevent it from showing as being available to install
[18:25] <eN_Joy> s/comicate/complicate
[18:26] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: ok, just know, packages installed from deadsnakes is not supported by Canonical or here. If you'd like help figuring out what is wrong with your repo causing it to show python3.10-venv as not being available, we'd be happy to help you. I recommend trying to solve that because it should be in the -updates repo which you will most certainly need going forward
[18:26] <oerheks> leftyfb, i had the same situation, got notified to kill snapstore, then updates went through
[18:27] <oerheks> and deadsnakes ppa .. good luck, no support
[18:27] <oerheks> now i got other updates pending..
[18:27] <leftyfb> oerheks: snapstore caused an apt package to show as not available from the repositories?
[18:27] <oerheks> to be held back, yes.
[18:27] <oerheks> like this
[18:28] <oerheks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9QRs5ZkX3S/
[18:28] <leftyfb> held back != Unable to locate package
[18:28] <leftyfb> not that same issue
[18:31] <oerheks> i do not want to disable phazed updates, so i let it be.
[18:48] <]BaTMaN[> Hello
[18:49] <oerheks> :-)
[18:56] <w4v3|tx> Hi, is there a possibility to mount a LVM drive with the same vg group but without using vgrename?
[18:56] <w4v3|tx> I only found solution with using vgrename.
[18:57] <w4v3|tx> s/solution/solutions
[19:01] <mbeierl> Anyone know how to skip the "Welcome to Ubuntu" and the following screens on a fresh Ubuntu install?  I'm looking at doing a bulk VM deployment and don't want users to have to click through that
[19:03] <oerheks> mbeierl, nope. if you want to deploy such numbers, preseed is depreciated, it is cloud-init now.
[19:08] <mbeierl> oerheks, thanks.  This would be post cloud-init when the user first logs in, they have to walk through the first welcome and I was wondering if there was a flag somewhere that is set to skip it once it is completed, and if so, can that be set by me?
[19:12] <mbeierl> Finally found the term I was looking for, and got a hit to answer my question: https://www.putorius.net/disable-gnome-initial-setup.html
[19:49] <oerheks> leftyfb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.10/+bug/1990586
[19:51] <leftyfb> oerheks: I still don't think this is the same issue that eN_Joy has. It's not an issue with package updates, it's an issue with a package showing as not being available at all
[20:06] <Reventlov> Hello.
[20:07] <Reventlov> Are the scripts used by Canonical to create the ubuntu desktop live USB available somewhere ?
[20:08] <oerheks> scripts to put the iso on usb?
[20:08] <oerheks> !usb
[20:08] <Reventlov> no
[20:09] <Reventlov> the scripts used by Canonical to generate the .iso they make available online
[20:10] <oerheks> oh, how that is done i don;t know
[20:20] <lirodon> update on my AMD issue from earlier; noticed my motherboard's UEFI wasn't quite up to date so I ran an upgrade. Standby appears to work now, and I'm not getting this warning about firmware bugs on startup anymore either
[20:23] <jhutchins> Running Linux from a USB is painfully slow unless you use some of the RAM tricks to make it semi-resident.
[20:24] <jhutchins> Reventlov: http://pendrivelinux has some good information on building and optimizing your own.
[20:25] <murmel> i never tried it with a linux install on usb, but can't you just copy the whole install to ram?
[20:25] <jhutchins> I can't think of anybody who's posted here who wasn't running on current x86 hardware.
[20:26] <jhutchins> murmel: Depends on your ram of course, but there are still tricks to get it to work.
[20:26] <jhutchins> (sorry for the non-sequiteur)
[20:26] <murmel> jhutchins: I assume it should work the same as with the live isos (where you just put toram into the grub entry)
[20:44] <arraybolt3> Calling for Bash wizard help, how do I make sed replace the string "kdedir ~/kde/usr" with "kdedir /usr"?
[20:45] <arraybolt3> I tried {s/kdedir\ ~\/kde\/usr/kdedir\ \/usr/} but it failed.
[20:46] <arraybolt3> "sed -e expression #1, char 17: unknown option to `s'" was the error.
[20:46] <arraybolt3> (You can probably tell I've never used sed before :) )
[20:46] <oerheks> leftyfb, again this silly ' close snap store bug'  https://imgur.com/gallery/7ysKGqv
[20:47] <leftyfb> oerheks: dude, it is not related to eN_Joy's issue
[20:47] <oerheks> no, my issue..
[20:48] <rbasak> arraybolt3: sed 's|kdedir ~/kde/usr|kdedir /usr|'
[20:48] <rbasak> You can use a different separator than / for cases like this
[20:48] <arraybolt3> rbasak: Oh nice, thank you!
[20:50] <oerheks> sudo pkill snap-store && sudo snap refresh snap-store .. still a ton of updates kept back
[20:52] <murmel> oerheks: I had to -9 otherwise it wouldn't update :S
[20:53] <murmel> not sure why normal kill would suffice
[21:17] <zulubeatz> isikhathi sesidlulile ngokushesha okukhulu, isiphepho siletha ukucaca
[21:18] <zulubeatz> Wanitwa Mos
[21:18] <zulubeatz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHOfTAg77wE
[21:19] <leftyfb> zulubeatz: Ngicela ume. Lesi isiteshi sokusekela Ubuntu.
[21:20] <zulubeatz> sharp sharp mfeto
[21:23] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: FWIW, zulubeatz has been known for sharing links to inappropriate content, so it may be worth considering just calling !ops next time they come around.
[21:25] <arraybolt3> (Maybe we should make it an official rule that posting a YouTube link without good context is grounds for a ban? I mean, they only ever happen for bad reasons AFAIK.)
[21:26] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: you're assuming these people care about rules
[21:27] <arraybolt3> LOL no, I'm hoping we can make it easier to ban people without having to click on whatever crud they paste.
[21:28] <arraybolt3> (Last time they came around, I was on Matrix and saw a screenshot of the not-OK video and !ops'd it, but everyone on IRC didn't see it and so probably that's why they were never banned that I saw.)
[21:32] <imi> seems like lighttpd 1.4.63 has a bug that blocks me. can I expect that package to be upgraded to any newer versions?
[21:39] <sarnold> imi: maybe in the next release
[21:40] <imi> :'(
[21:40] <imi> I'm going to hand-compile and overwrite an so then
[21:40] <rbasak> imi: you're more likely to get a cherry-pick of the specific bugfix you need. Please make sure a bug exists in Launchpad.
[21:40] <rbasak> imi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:40] <imi> ok that's a great idea, thanks
[21:41] <rbasak> If you know how to provide a packaging update with a cherry-pick in it, then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure has the steps if you can volunteer them, and then we can fix it for all users.
[21:44] <enigma9o7> its already far too easy to bet banned
[21:45] <imi> this is a headless raspberry pi. can I stull use ubuntu-bug to report an issue?
[21:45] <sarnold> yeah
[21:45] <sarnold> it'll give you an url to use in a browser
[21:49] <Rock202020> Does this script syntax look functional and right? https://dpaste.com/AL2WLL8ZT.txt
[21:50] <oerheks> !crosspost
[21:51] <Rock202020> omg chill
[21:51] <Rock202020> its a 1 liner question
[21:51] <Rock202020> in 2 different channels
[21:51] <sarnold> Rock202020: try systemd-analyze verify on it
[21:51] <Rock202020> ty
[21:52] <Rock202020> What extension do I need to save it as?
[21:52] <oerheks>  .yaml ?
[21:52] <Rock202020> .sh?
[21:52] <murmel> i rather wonder, why it's needed
[21:53] <Rock202020> It says it doesnt recognize the file
[21:53] <Rock202020> so im thinknig I may need to add an extension
[21:53] <Rock202020> '.service' is the answer
[21:53] <oerheks> eh no .service in  /lib/systemd/system/
[21:53] <Rock202020> Ok I ran it
[21:53] <Rock202020> nothing happened
[21:54] <oerheks> Make sure that your script is executable with: chmod u+x /path/to/spark/sbin/start-all.sh
[21:54] <oerheks> and replace that path
[21:54] <Rock202020> Where should I place my .service to run at boot?
[21:54] <Rock202020> "Configuration file /home/user/Desktop/hostnamerandomization.service is marked executable. Please remove executable permission bits. Proceeding anyway.  "
[21:55] <oerheks> same place, service enable  something.service  makes it start on boot
[21:55] <oerheks> do not place it in your home
[21:55] <esv> isn't it /etc/systemd/system ? after all, needs to run as root.
[21:57] <esv> after you place it there, run: systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl enable <filename>.service
[21:58] <esv> the daemon-reload part is becoming optional but haven't seen it hurt anything.
[21:58] <Rock202020> https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/start-service-at-boot/
[21:58] <Rock202020> It works
[21:58] <Rock202020> It changed my hostname successfully
[21:58] <Rock202020> now to restart and test
[21:59] <imi> ok I reported my issue, thanks
[21:59] <oerheks> with hostnamectrl?
[22:03] <Rock202020> urd ortheks
[22:03] <Rock202020> yes
[22:08] <Rock202020> oerheks are you suprised?


[00:20] <daniellimws> hi sergiusens I asked some questions in my pull request
[00:56] <sergiusens> daniellimws I think it would be best if the tests are adapted
[00:56] <sergiusens> daniellimws I think it would be best if the tests are adapted
[01:31] <daniellimws> okay sure
[02:50] <elanse> what do i do when i have finished?
[03:10] <Heesen> Done
[04:17] <jomeer> hi elopio
[04:18] <jomeer> hi kyrofa
[04:18] <elopio> Hello jomeer
[04:21] <jomeer> https://bit.ly/ugcicandidates
[04:21] <jomeer> elopio Can you help me to choose one of these project please
[04:22] <jomeer> the easiest :p
[07:03] <Tanesh> Hi. My name is Tanesh Chuckowree.I'm a student pleased to work with you all.
[08:27] <nathanielim> hello
[08:27] <nathanielim> this is my first day joining google code in, nice to meet you all
[08:29] <daniellimws> hi nice to meet you
[08:42] <Heesen> Hi could Martin Wimpress or  Alan Pope please take a look at my task it has been 2 days
[17:42] <m4sk1n_> davidcalle: I have started another tutorial, but I'm still waiting for review of this one :)
[18:15] <heesen> Hi everyone
[18:16] <m4sk1n_> hi
[18:16] <heesen> could some take a look at my task I have been waiting for 2 days
[18:29] <elopio> heesen: please share the link to your task
[18:35] <heesen> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5080759628988416/
[21:05] <konrad11901> Hi elopio, kyrofa, sergiusens, popey and flexiondotorg! I've just claimed a Google Code-in task called "Package and publish you first python snap". I'd like to choose "tosheets" utility (from https://github.com/kren1/tosheets) as a project to snap. Is that OK?
[21:06] <wxl> link the original tasks, please, konrad11901
[21:06] <elopio> Hi Konrad11901
[21:06] <kyrofa> Hey there konrad11901! I don't see any snaps with that name
[21:06] <kyrofa> (so yes, I suspect it's fine)
[21:06] <elopio> If you like it, it's ok
[21:08] <m4sk1n_> cześć konrad11901
[21:08] <konrad11901> Ok, so I'll try to snap it and report back on my Code-in dashboard. Thanks!
[21:09] <konrad11901> Cześć m4sk1n_ :)


[00:43] <jsapparts> HOw to install Via graphics card driver on kubuntu?
[00:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> hum
[00:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> dont know
[00:49] <Schrodinger`Cat> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/openchrome jsapparts ?
[00:49] <jsapparts> ok
 , very thank u man, *-*
[00:52] <Schrodinger`Cat> your welcom
[00:52] <Schrodinger`Cat> jsapparts: toi parler francais ?
[00:52] <Schrodinger`Cat> i dont have trouvé the same in english
[00:54] <jsapparts> i speak portuguese form Brazil. husahsa
[00:54] <jsapparts> from*
[00:58] <jsapparts> bye. ; )
[01:18] <epimeth> how can I get default conf files for packages?  like, where can I download the files found in /etc/motion?
[01:23] <SIR_Taco> epimeth: you could purge the installation of motion
[01:23] <epimeth> apt-get remove motion
[01:23] <epimeth> apt-get purge motion
[01:23] <epimeth> ?
[01:23] <SIR_Taco> apt-get purge motion
[01:24] <epimeth> trying now, thanks
[01:25] <epimeth> worked, thanks!
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome
[01:25] <epimeth> worked, thanks!i tried remove and install again, and dpkg reconfigure...  :-)
[04:56] <nirvana> ???
[04:57] <nirvana> 有中文用户么？
[04:57] <tsimpson> !cn | nirvana
[05:08] <avihay> skype 4, grrrr!
[07:05] <hyper_ch> so, running now beta 1 :)
[07:06] <hyper_ch> sweet, no extra repo required for gimp now :)
[07:40] <hyper_ch> hmmm, libreoffice not working in beta 1?
[08:28] <nardusg> hi people
[08:31] <nardusg> I am on ubuntu 12.04 beta. My ati network card did not want to play nice with lightdm. So I do apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop. What is the best way to install the kde desktop on kubuntu coming from ubuntu >
[08:31] <nardusg> ?
[08:32] <nardusg> oops... 12.10 ;)
[08:32] <nardusg> ati display card ;)
[08:33] <inger> Hola buenos dias, alguien podria ayudarme a instalar los binarios para programar C en eclipse con ubuntu?
[08:34] <nardusg> apt-get install kde-full ?
[08:34] <nardusg> or is there anothere one I can use
[08:34] <tonberryE352> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <tonberryE352> i think
[08:34] <nardusg> does not exist any more :(
[08:34] <tonberryE352> oh
[08:35] <tonberryE352> well i'm still on 12.04 so that is about as much help as I can give
[08:35] <nardusg> maybe kde-standard
[08:36] <nardusg> will give that a go
[09:09] <marcuzzo> I have a problem with languages packages anyone can help?
[09:09] <marcuzzo>  I've installed the application Pairs in German
[09:09] <marcuzzo> but the translation as some ugly staff and i want to switch to italian
[09:09] <marcuzzo> [11:07] <marcuzzo> I did swith in the localization config to italian
[09:09] <marcuzzo> [11:08] <marcuzzo> and all the desktop switched too
[09:09] <marcuzzo> [11:08] <marcuzzo> but some application are still in german included pairs
[09:09] <marcuzzo> [11:08] <marcuzzo> how can I get the new .mo files?
[09:09] <FloodBotK1> marcuzzo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:42] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[13:15] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:34] <lordieva1er> Good afternoon
[13:44] <howlymowly> hi poeple..   short question: I want to change default file associtations for several types for a program (for example I want to put a certain program on the bottom of the list for sevral file types)  how would I do that?
[14:04] <contrast> Anyone know if/when KDE SC 4.9.1 will be hitting the Kubuntu Backports PPA?
[14:13] <Riddell> contrast: yes, "soon"
[14:15] <contrast> Thanks, Riddell... Is it safe to assume the next feature releases of KDE will also be hitting that PPA for 12.04 (even after the next release of Kubuntu comes out), given it's an LTS release?
[14:17] <Riddell> contrast: not planned I'm afraid, we only have resources to backport to 1 release
[14:20] <vsrao> Hi. I've tried this twice: I installed Wine, and that change font & color properties for Kate and other applications. Is this common?
[14:20] <vsrao> changed*
[14:22] <contrast> Riddell: That's understandable... Anyway, much thanks for all the great work you do on Kubuntu. It's been my distro of choice for about six years. :)
[14:23] <contrast> vsrao: I've never experienced that (upon many installations of WINE alongside KDE). Are you still able to just change the font and color settings back via System Settings?
[14:24] <Riddell> contrast: welcome :)
[14:24] <vsrao> contrast: I am able to. However, many things like the matching braces being highlighted never return to normal. :(
[14:24] <vsrao> As in, a lot of the settings don't revert back
[14:25] <vsrao> Especially those to do with things turning bold.
[14:26] <contrast> vsrao: Just in Kate, or other programs as well?
[14:26] <vsrao> contrast: Just in Kate.
[14:27] <vsrao> So things like KDevelop follow.
[14:27] <contrast> vsrao: Where are you installing WINE from?
[14:27] <vsrao> contrast: From the default repository, through apt-get
[14:29] <contrast> vsrao: I usually get it from their official PPA (ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa). You might try uninstalling it and reinstalling from there.
[14:29] <gusito> Hi everyone
[14:30] <vsrao> contrast: Could you tell me what version you have currently? I have 1.4
[14:30] <vsrao> I wonder if that makes a difference too.
[14:30] <contrast> vsrao: 1.5.10
[14:30] <vsrao> Ah, I see.
[14:31] <contrast> vsrao: You also might try manually changing the highlighting settings in Kate (Settings -> Configure Kate -> Fonts & Colors).
[14:31] <vsrao> contrast: I've tried that too.
[14:33] <contrast> vsrao: That's really weird... Honestly, I doubt upgrading WINE will help, but I guess it's worth a shot. Barring that, I'm at a loss. You might want to ask in #kde.
[14:34] <vsrao> contrast: Okay. Thanks anyway. :)
[14:34] <vsrao> Upgrading WINE won't help now, I'm sure too.
[14:35] <tsimpson> wine doesn't touch your Kate or katepart settings
[14:37] <vsrao> But, those settings changed as soon as I installed WINE. Both times. On different computers too.
[14:38] <tsimpson> you should report a bug against wine then (before upgrading to the PPA version) with "ubuntu-bug wine"
[14:39] <tsimpson> because that's just completely wrong of wine to touch anything outside of ~/.wine
[14:40] <vsrao> tsimpson: Alright.
[14:41] <tsimpson> I can't find any reports about wine changing other configs, so it seems quite unusual
[14:42] <vsrao> It seems to be changing only the color settings that Kate parts uses. Especially the 'bold' settings.
[14:43] <contrast> vsrao: You might try checking the output of "dpkg -L wine1.4" and having a look at any maintainer scripts contained in the package (/var/lib/dpkg/info/wine1.4.preinst and /var/lib/dpkg/info/wine1.4.postinst in particular) to try and figure out exactly where the changes are coming from.
[14:44] <vsrao> contrast: Okay, will do that.
[15:07] <contrast> Anyone have any luck adding their Skype account in KDE Telepathy?
[15:11] <DarthFrog> contrast: No, I haven't tried.  But I was interested to note that it was possible.
[15:12] <contrast> DarthFrog: Don't get your hopes up. It gives the option to add your account, but I've yet to find any confirmation that it actually works (yet). :\
[16:01] <jacklk> Hello, is it okay to run KDE applications such as Kontact on  other window managers/desktop enviroments?
[16:02] <tsimpson> jacklk: that's perfectly fine, yes
[16:04] <avihay> upgrade ate all my root folder, couldn't log on to graphical shell :-<
[16:06] <avihay> also, kttsd is missing, so I got that "error, can't open kttsd", that tries to open another instance of kttsd, infinite error message loop, fun times, fun times
[16:09] <tsimpson> that sounds like a KDE3 thing
[16:10] <tsimpson> kttsd was replaced by jovie
[16:11] <avihay> tell that to the notification system
[16:24] <avihay> well, nothing that compiling    int main(){return 0;}   and placeing in /usr/bin couldn't solve
[16:25] <tsimpson> would have been easier to just "sudo touch /usr/bin/kttsd; sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/kttsd", less coding ;)
[16:28] <avihay> just an empty file then?
[16:30] <tsimpson> as long as it's executable, it should work
[16:34] <avihay> well, seems to work, and for some reason TTS does work, and now, for the first time, even string replacement works
[16:34] <avihay> tsimpson: can you message me something like avihay: a <b> test
[16:35] <tsimpson> avihay: a <b> test
[16:35] <avihay> mmm, need to be in another window, again!
[16:35] <tsimpson> avihay: a <b> test (again)
[16:36] <avihay> mmm, failed, apperently, oh well, in 5 more years...
[16:36] <avihay> thanks
[16:37] <tsimpson> sure :)
[16:56] <Kishi> Greetings
[16:57] <Kishi> I am having some problems with running Skype on Kubuntu. It worked earlier, but stopped working after trying to synchronize it with Kopete, I thinknk
[16:58] <Kishi> I've purged it and reinstalled several times
[16:58] <Kishi> I've even purged Kopete, too
[16:58] <Kishi> But it doesn't work anymore
[17:00] <Kishi> Purging seems to leave some minor settings intact... I've thought it removes everything.
[17:01] <Kishi> ...Nevermind, I'll ask at #ubuntu
[17:13] <cynical> what's the error?
[17:15] <Kishi> There's no error, just message that it stopped and (core dumped)
[17:20] <eamon> have a look through the dump and see if you can find the cause.
[18:00] <Riddell> 1 minutes to kubuntu-meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[18:45] <hyper_ch> libreoffice in beta is horribly broken... at least this morning when I upgraded to it... but now there's new versions being updated and I hope it's fixes :)
[18:48] <hyper_ch> still broken :(
[18:49] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: whats happening?
[18:49] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: Fontconfig warning: "/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/fonts/truetype/fc_local.conf", line 13: Having multiple <family> in <alias> isn't supported and may not works as expected
[18:49] <hyper_ch> I found that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:50] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: its a known bug
[18:50] <hyper_ch> I know
[18:50] <hyper_ch> I just saw LO updates compared to when I last tried like 12h ago and hoped it was already fixed
[18:50] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: libfre office works here
[18:50] <hyper_ch> beta1?
[18:50] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: ya
[18:51] <hyper_ch> why does it work for you but not for me?
[18:51] <hyper_ch> that's sort of unfair
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: that error message you are getting is not related to the crashes
[18:51] <hyper_ch> I just see an endless LO start up screen
[18:51] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: did you update your system?
[18:51] <hyper_ch> and endless messages of that
[18:51] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: yes, upgrade... no fresh install
[18:52] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: so libreoffice crashes at startup?
[18:52] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: I just get that error in the terminal and see the start up screen
[18:52] <hyper_ch> it doesn't "crash", I have to ctrl-c it
[18:53] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: i can understand
[18:53] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: i can't understand
[18:53] <hyper_ch> what can't you understand?
[18:54] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: http://paste.debian.net/189720/
[18:55] <DarthFrog> hyper_ch: You can safely ignore all those warnings.
[18:56] <hyper_ch> DarthFrog: an LO still doens't start properly... those errors are the only meaningful output that I get
[18:57] <DarthFrog> So why are you continuing to run the beta?  Go back to the official distro version.  Or report a bug to the Libreoffice devs.
[18:58] <hyper_ch> how do you know it's a LO bug and not something in Beta?
[18:58] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: apart from those error messages what else problem you get with libreoffice?
[18:58] <DarthFrog> Do you mean Quantal?
[18:58] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: I just get the start up screen
[18:58] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: nothing else
[18:58] <hyper_ch> until I hit ctrl-c
[18:59] <hyper_ch> DarthFrog: yes
[18:59] <DarthFrog> Then you should be asking for help in #Ubuntu+1, not here.
[18:59] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: you upgraded from 12.04?
[18:59] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: I did
[19:00] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: can you rename .kde folder in home to .kde_bak and restart and see if it works?
[19:00] <hyper_ch> (or better start with a new profile=
[19:00] <hyper_ch> I can do that :)
[19:01] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: so you know that the settings will be lost?
[19:01] <hyper_ch> well, creating a new user so that I don't lose my settings
[19:01] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: try that
[19:02] <hyper_ch> bbl
[19:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[19:03] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: it works there
[19:04] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: for ,me?
[19:05] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: just changed to a different user - new profile - and LO just worked fine
[19:05] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: nice, enjoy
[19:05] <hyper_ch> still doesn't help with my current user though
[19:06] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: what you did was the same advice i got for the same problem when i had
[19:06] <hyper_ch> but I don't wanna lose all my kde settings
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: they recommend to create a new profile for every major upgrade
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: me too
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: but i dont see any options
[19:07] <hyper_ch> that shouldn't be necessary
[19:07] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: backup
[19:09] <DarthFrog> hyper_ch:  You could try removing the ~/.config/libreoffice directory and see if that helps matters.  Or rename it to something else if you don't want to delete it.
[19:09] <hyper_ch> DarthFrog: I tried to remove the ~/.libreoffice folder that didn't work.. .will try now also wiht ~/.config/libreoffice
[19:09] <hyper_ch> thx, didn't know that there's more in ~/.config
[19:10] <DarthFrog> Is on my system.
[19:10] <DarthFrog> Mind you, I don't have a .libreoffice.
[19:10] <hyper_ch> DarthFrog: .config/libreoffice did the trick
[19:10] <DarthFrog> Good stuff.
[19:11] <hyper_ch> it's way quicker to re-setup libreoffic than all of kde :)
[19:11] <DarthFrog> You shouldn't really ever have to do that.
[19:11] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: ping
[19:12] <DarthFrog> To me, that's worse than having to reboot Windows because you moved your mouse.
[19:12] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: ya
[19:14] <hyper_ch> I'll write that in my blog :)
[19:14] <hyper_ch> thx DarthFrog and phoenix_firebrd
[19:14] <hyper_ch> btw, you two work a lot widh PDFs?
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: no editing only viewing , why?
[19:16] <DarthFrog> PDF's are fine on my desktop, suck big-time on my Nook.
[19:16] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: DarthFrog:    https://github.com/sjau/pdfForts   -   http://images.sjau.ch/img/c11c42fe.png
[19:16] <hyper_ch> a few still need to be rewritten but they should be working
[19:17] <hyper_ch> this is weird, I see no menu bar in LO
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: very nice
[19:18] <hyper_ch> phoenix_firebrd: bash, kate, dolphin/konqueror, pdftk, ghostscript & uno
[19:18] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: Do you know that there is a functionality in Krename too
[19:18] <hyper_ch> don't know krename at all :)
[19:19] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: its a bacth  file rename  app that also provides extracting the meta data of pdf through a plugin
[19:20] <phoenix_firebrd> hyper_ch: you can also enhance that soft by adding your functionality to it
[19:41] <fabio_> ci sono ragazze
[19:54] <BluesKaj> trying out xchat ...seems ok
[19:57] <fabio_> italiani
[19:59] <BluesKaj> fabio_,  Canada
[19:59] <tsimpson> !it
[19:59] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj
[19:59] <fabio_> i from reggio emilia
[20:00] <fabio_> italia
[20:00] <BluesKaj> hi hyper_ch
[20:01] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: updated to quantal since I had issues with normal updates today :)
[20:02] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch,  what issues ?
[20:02] <hyper_ch> well, updates this morning removed wine
[20:02] <fabio_> blueskaj what do you do
[20:02] <hyper_ch> and couldn't reinstall it.. got some weird message about php5 dependencies not being fullfilled - which didn't make much sense
[20:02] <hyper_ch> so I upgraded to quantal ;)
[20:04] <Southway> 280 users, it's quiet in here
[20:04] <BluesKaj> brb
[20:05] <fabio_> what
[20:06] <hyper_ch> Southway: you want me to ask you questions?
[20:06] <Southway> go for it
[20:07] <hyper_ch> I run out of them :(
[20:07] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[20:08] <BluesKaj> just a friendly reminder :)
[20:09] <Southway> as for your php5 problem, when your error says dependencies not being fullfilled, it means a component that php5 has been  removed.  youll need to find what is no longer fullfilled and install them manually.  Google.com usally has the answers
[20:10] <hyper_ch> Southway: how is php5 related to the wine package?
[20:10] <hyper_ch> and the 'missing' dependencies were installed as was php5 yet it still complained about it
[20:10] <hyper_ch> but that wsa on 12.04 :)
[20:10] <Southway> I usaully get drunk on wine, maybe it did too
[20:12] <BluesKaj> wine fonts are so small on this monitor that I can't read the options to increase them
[20:40] <uberamd> I'm running Kubuntu in a multi-monitor VM. I increased the KDE panel size to accomidate multiple rows in the task manager part of the panel. When rebooted, the system forgets the custom height I set. Ideas?
[20:50] <pedahzur> Hit an odd one today. Noticed desktop effects weren't enabled. Tried to enable, and said it failed to enable 22 effects. "Details" told me: "For technical reasons it is not possible to determine all possible error causes." and "Desktop effect system is not running."  glxinfo tells me "direct rendering: Yes" and under "Advanced" I have OpenGL as the compositing type, and "Qt graphics system" as "Native." KDE 4.9. Any ideas?
[23:47] <hazamonzo__> hey folks. mu kubuntu 12.04 installation failed. Something about the bootloader. Now im on the live desktop. Where can i find the log so i can google this error?