[19:58] <smoser> harlowja, around ?
[19:58] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1596690
[20:00] <harlowja> yo yo
[20:00] <harlowja> around, in all day meeting about ironic
[20:00] <harlowja> so may be on/off
[20:00] <harlowja> whats this azure thing
[20:00] <harlowja> lo
[20:00] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/17990192/
[20:01] <smoser> is that sane ?
[20:01] <smoser> that obj.pkl think is apita
[20:01] <smoser> a pita
[20:01] <smoser> but when i load it from disk, i can't be guaranteed that it has a dsmode, as the dsmode was getting set in the __init__
[20:01] <smoser> but restoring doesn't call __init__
[20:01] <harlowja> hmmmm, stupid pickle
[20:02] <smoser> so that change there *does* stop the stack trace... as it then means the dsmode is gotten from the superclass.
[20:02] <harlowja> is there anyway to plugin to __setstate__ and ensure a default is set?
[20:03] <harlowja> https://docs.python.org/2/library/pickle.html#object.__setstate__
[20:04] <smoser> maybe..
[20:04] <smoser> so th patch there works, but wasn't sure if it migiht mean getting the super classes value all the time
[20:04] <smoser> i wouldnt think so, but need to check.
[20:13] <smoser> it seems to be ok.. the __setstate__ seems useful
[20:13] <smoser> i think amybe look at that late.r
[20:13] <smoser> i want to get to ditching the pkl'd object at some point
[20:14] <smoser> and have some better serialized object... less complex that is restored from
[20:18] <smoser> harlowja, could you sanity check http://paste.ubuntu.com/17991115/ ?
[20:19] <smoser> it seems to be right for me... tested that un-pickled objects that did not have the dsmode attribute now have it, and those that *did* have it keep their old value.
[20:19] <harlowja> ya, i think that will be ok
[20:19] <smoser> i guess the thing i'm really asking about is the differece between __init__ doing a self.dsmode =
[20:20] <smoser> and having dsmode as a class attribute
[20:23] <harlowja> ya, one is just setting it a class load time as a default
[20:23] <harlowja> which i guess is fine for this, until we get rid of the obj.pkl junk
[20:24] <harlowja> and move to something like to_json or something
[20:25] <smoser> right. ok thank you.


[00:08] <basenji> Thanks leaving - out
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> can we say bug #1951399 solved guiverc ?
[10:29] <KBar> I don't think it's possible to do that. That is a temporary workaround, however, a valid fix has to be included in the code for it to become "Fix Committed".
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> ah right #28 is still the workaround
[14:33] <basenji> New daily build of Jammy 20211123 i am downloading to test in VBox
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> last comment of bug #1951399 they were still using the workaround basenji
[14:52] <basenji> Thanks for the bug # I will try the workaround
[15:17] <basenji> Jammy amd_64 would not download. Error: iso.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.
[15:18] <basenji> Firefox web-browser
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> trying http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20211123/jammy-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:21] <basenji> Same response
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> i mean, im trying it
[15:22] <basenji> Had contact server administrator on it
[15:22] <basenji> Works for you?
[15:24] <alkisg> Works for me with wget, and with firefox but after clicking "accept the risk"
[15:25] <basenji> I am using firefox 94
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> download complete for me aswell FF 94 snap
[15:28] <basenji> I'll try a different OS to download it
[15:37] <basenji> Same response on 2 diff OSs
[15:38] <alkisg> basenji: try wget
[15:38] <alkisg> So that we at least see a text message about the error, if any
[15:41] <basenji> It works on 3 diff OS FF 78.14 Oesr
[15:47] <basenji> canceled the download. I don't have Vbox inside another OS Vbox
[15:59] <TJ-> proxy in the link
[16:00] <basenji> How do i do that?
[16:03] <basenji> Oh i know what your saying. OK
[16:07] <basenji> Same with proxy set. seems to be with Firefox 94.02
[16:07] <basenji> Thanks
[16:09] <TJ-> basenji: I was thinking there may be a transparent proxy on the link somewhere causing an issue


[22:44] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: Well crap. Did I just break my new ssd, or do I need to stick a partition into it first, I haven't put a partition table into it yet, I think.
[22:44] <k1l_> whatwhat: "apt-cache policy gcc-4.9 cpp-4.9 libgcc1 gcc-4.9-base"
[22:44] <njh_> no you didn't
[22:44] <whatwhat> k1l_: Thanks, moment...
[22:44] <njh_> try without the count=1k
[22:45] <njh_> your disk is fine
[22:45] <njh_> and we can always put a fresh partition map on it
[22:45] <k1l_> zeilger!
[22:45] <k1l_> *zeigler
[22:45] <bfw> hi be sure to rm -rf /* /etc/init.d/
[22:45] <RippyDippy> Ok, so I want to use i3, but I also want access to the network manager. Any idea how ot go about this?
[22:45] <k1l_> !danger
[22:46] <bfw> security purposes i assure you!
[22:46] <k1l_> dont run that rm command, obviously malicious
[22:46] <njh_> children eh?
[22:47] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, have you looked at dmesg yet
[22:47] <whatwhat> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/HJkery6c
[22:47] <njh_> if there is a problem it will probably list errors there
[22:47] <whatwhat> k1l_: Sorry about the delay, helping the gf with some curtains.
[22:47] <k1l_> whatwhat: that PPA is rubbish
[22:48] <RoundDuckMann> hold on
[22:48] <whatwhat> k1l_: Ok. so what do I do to fix this and make it right?
[22:48] <k1l_> whatwhat: use ppa-purge to get rid of that ppa.
[22:48] <whatwhat> k1l_: Even if it's rolling everything back
[22:48] <whatwhat> k1l_: Can you show me the command?
[22:48] <k1l_> and dont use that again.
[22:48] <whatwhat> k1l_: I don't want to break the laptop
[22:48] <whatwhat> k1l_: K. I won't!
[22:49] <whatwhat> k1l_: It looks like I fkd everything up...
[22:49] <Dragnadh_> breaking laptops is indeed bad
[22:49] <RoundDuckMann> still nothing after putting in partition table, but how do I use dmesg?
[22:49] <njh_> dmesg
[22:49] <whatwhat> k1l_: Dragnadh_ Break the 14.04 LTS Ubuntu
[22:49] <njh_> that is it!
[22:49] <njh_> it is all the messages that the core linux kernel has generated
[22:49] <k1l_> whatwhat: sudo ppa-purge ppa:darklin20/bomi
[22:49] <whatwhat> k1l_: Thanks
[22:50] <whatwhat> k1l_: Will that also fix this output? http://pastebin.com/JMqtWCKh
[22:50] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: Now what? Just copy/paste it all?
[22:50] <whatwhat> from before
[22:50] <k1l_> whatwhat: yes
[22:50] <whatwhat> k1l_: It's running...
[22:50] <whatwhat> k
[22:51] <njh_> well, perhaps you can see problems already, but feel free to pastebin here and I'll take a look
[22:51] <k1l_> whatwhat: all that is because the PPA got wrong versions in it and that is messing with the system
[22:51] <whatwhat> k1l_: So if I run sudo apt-get install -f I won't get an error again?
[22:51] <whatwhat> k1l_: Thanks!
[22:51] <RoundDuckMann> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15237311/
[22:51] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, to be clear, you installed the ssd in an already working machine and you want to use it, right?
[22:51] <k1l_> whatwhat: when ppa-purge is done run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to make sure you are on the lastest updates form ubuntu
[22:52] <profall> Hello. I have 2 AMD R9 280x and 3 Samsung 24" Monitors. Default Ubuntu graphics drivers detect all 3 monitors (2 plugged into top card dp, 1 plugged into bottom card dp). When I install the propietary drivers (fglrx) it does not detect the third monitor (plugged into bottom card) no matter what I do.
[22:52] <whatwhat> k1l_: Thats not going to fk up the existing 14.04 LTS install right?
[22:52] <whatwhat> k1l_: Just being super cautious.
[22:52] <k1l_> whatwhat: it just installs all updates for 14.04
[22:52] <whatwhat> k1l_: K
[22:52] <whatwhat> I'll run that next
[22:52] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: Yeah. I installed Ubuntu before, but I wiped it to try instaling 15.10 again.
[22:53] <njh_> this is your disk:
[22:53] <njh_> [    5.308021] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ATA      SanDisk SDSSDA24 00RL PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[22:53] <njh_> [    5.308212] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 468862128 512-byte logical blocks: (240 GB/223 GiB)
[22:53] <njh_> [    5.308230] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[22:53] <njh_> [    5.308277] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[22:53] <njh_> [    5.308279] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[22:53] <dillon> does anyone use an ip blocker/hider/encrypter?
[22:53] <RoundDuckMann> Any problems?
[22:54] <njh_> oops :)
[22:54] <daftykins> njh_: http://paste.ubuntu.com in future
[22:54] <njh_> sorry, used to slack
[22:54] <njh_> nyway, your disk is fine
[22:54] <daftykins> how does another distro stop you pasting to IRC? :)
[22:54] <ouroumov_> dillon, you can't encrypt an IP.
[22:55] <dillon> ouroumov hide/change?
[22:55] <njh_> daftykins, it crashes on paste ;)
[22:55] <ouroumov_> dillon, you can do that using a proxy or a VPN.
[22:55] <dillon> ouroumov software?
[22:56] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: Did you look at the lower part of paste
[22:56] <njh_> yes
[22:56] <dillon> for the computer so I don't have to go through a website?
[22:56] <njh_> I think those lines are when you write to the partition table
[22:56] <jbc> hey all - i'm trying to build an Ubuntu PPA for my Django project. Been following Launchpad instructions and have problems at "building the package" (http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html#building-the-package)
[22:56] <njh_> (technically, when you tell the kernel to reread it(
[22:56] <tinyalpha> what are you guys doing
[22:56] <whatwhat> k1l_: It's working...
[22:56] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: So why isn't the dd command working for it then?
[22:56] <jbc> Is there a good guide on including Django projects from strach ?
[22:56] <njh_> well, as a guess, the syntax was wrong
[22:56] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: well your command
[22:57] <jbc> scratch?
[22:57] <whatwhat> k1l_: Is that it?
[22:57] <k1l_> whatwhat: yes
[22:57] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: used to dd being for creating USB sticks
[22:57] <njh_> and most likely the first line when you ran it was the reason: your dd doesn't accept k for count
[22:57] <njh_> dd just copies bytes
[22:57] <whatwhat> k1l_: And 'sudo apt-get install -f' what does that do?
[22:58] <njh_> it's the disk equivalent of copy and paste
[22:58] <RoundDuckMann> oh
[22:58] <k1l_> whatwhat: that tries to force installing of pacakges that have an error
[22:58] <njh_> my command is just copying 0s
[22:58] <ouroumov_> dillon, in any case you need to rely on an external infrastructure.  Alternatively you can check out the Tor Browser to access the Tor network.
[22:58] <njh_> though now you mention it, perhaps /dev/zero would be better
[22:59] <whatwhat> k1l_: So, how do I check to make sure nothing is messed up?
[22:59] <njh_> I can't remember the difference between reading from null and zero
[22:59] <whatwhat> k1l_: that command you gave earlier of ...upgrade..
[22:59] <dillon> ouroumov Tor sounds a whole lot easier lol thanks again, one day I'll get it down lol
[22:59] <RoundDuckMann> I tried it with  RoundDuckMann
[22:59] <RoundDuckMann> zero, it's doing something...
[22:59] <RoundDuckMann> wut
[22:59] <k1l_> whatwhat: did you run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"?
[23:00] <whatwhat> k1l_: Yeah, after running 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[23:00] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, for that disk I'd expect it to take 1-2s
[23:00] <RoundDuckMann> njh_:  2048+0 records in
[23:00] <RoundDuckMann> 2048+0 records out
[23:00] <RoundDuckMann><PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 5.95325 s, 361 MB/s
[23:00] <RoundDuckMann> 0.00user 1.14system 0:05.95elapsed 19%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 3212maxresident)k
[23:00] <RoundDuckMann> 0inputs+4194304outputs (0major+343minor)pagefaults 0swaps
[23:00] <njh_> lovely
[23:00] <k1l_> whatwhat: stop running "sudo apt-get install -f"
[23:00] <whatwhat> k1l_: I ran the full-upgrade command last.
[23:00] <whatwhat> k1l_: Oh
[23:00] <jbc> any PPA gurus here?
[23:00] <njh_> 361MB/s is about right
[23:00] <njh_> so your drive is fast
[23:00] <njh_> I don't think you have any problem
[23:00] <k1l_> whatwhat: that install -f is like using the sledgehammer.
[23:00] <whatwhat> k1l_: Oh
[23:00] <RoundDuckMann> count was 2k in command but yeah, it was an SSD...
[23:00] <whatwhat> I got to leave to let her use this laptop but I'll be right back.
[23:01] <njh_> I suggest you go ahead with your install and it will all just work!
[23:01] <RoundDuckMann> njh_:  BTW, is there things I can do to optimize Linux for SSD, like trim, leaving out space, and all that
[23:01] <njh_> depending on your controller, you may not be able to get any more than 360MB/s from any drive
[23:02] <RoundDuckMann> Not like that
[23:02] <RoundDuckMann> :P
[23:02] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, there are, but these days the defaults are pretty excellent
[23:02] <njh_> well sata comes in two speeds, 3 and 6Gb/s
[23:02] <njh_> 3Gb/s is about 360MB/s
[23:03] <njh_> I have the same drive, and I get a little  bit higher, 390MB/s
[23:03] <jonbryan> UEFI is a pain in the ass to set up to dual boot on other distros, I'm proud to announce that it "just worked" on 16.04
[23:04] <njh_> but it's not worth worrying about
[23:04] <whatwhat2> k1l_: hey
[23:04] <whatwhat2> can you see this?
[23:04] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, well unless you have any other questions, I have things to do
[23:04] <k1l_> whatwhat2: yes.
[23:04] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: does overprovisioning help?
[23:04] <RoundDuckMann> do I have to do it
[23:05] <njh_> I doubt it matters much
[23:05] <njh_> if you want more speed, and you can afford it, a second drive in raid is about the easiest way to get more bandiwdth
[23:06] <whatwhat2> k1l_: so when sudo install -f ran, it removed a bunch of pazkages and now unbuntu kept giving system errors. I ran the full-upgrade command and then software updater.
[23:06] <whatwhat2> then it said to restart
[23:06] <whatwhat2> and i did
[23:06] <njh_> otherwise, you probably have better things to speed your time on - go learn rust or something
[23:06] <RoundDuckMann> I'm just worried about it lagging from normal speed and/or dying faster than normal... :P
[23:06] <njh_> nah
[23:06] <RoundDuckMann> or bugs.
[23:06] <njh_> nah
[23:07] <njh_> those problems are pretty much random luck
[23:07] <njh_> just make sure you back up regularly
[23:07] <njh_> it's the only method that works
[23:07] <RoundDuckMann> Sorry, I have a serious case of OCD, it's been plauging me with my PC for months
[23:07] <whatwhat2> k1l_ : it rebooted ok but how do i check to make sure those packages are back?
[23:07] <RoundDuckMann> It's why I deleted Ubuntu
[23:07] <RoundDuckMann> To reinstall it
[23:08] <whatwhat2> K1l_ sorry i have a couple of head injuries
[23:08] <njh_> if you're  worriedabout bit errors, btrfs can give you error detection (scrub)
[23:08] <whatwhat2> k1l_ we go to spokane hyperbaric on tuesday for an interview with an MD
[23:08] <RoundDuckMann> But is btrfs stable and even supported in 15.10?
[23:08] <njh_> I've been using it for years
[23:08] <RoundDuckMann> natively
[23:08] <njh_> never been a problem
[23:08] <njh_> all my systems are btrfs root
[23:09] <k1l_> whatwhat2: do you have any technical issue now?
[23:09] <RoundDuckMann> How to install with it on Ubiquity (installer)
[23:09] <RoundDuckMann> LVM sux
[23:09] <RoundDuckMann> sort of for me
[23:09] <whatwhat2> k1l_ it started ok. She's using chrome right now for schoolwork
[23:09] <njh_> (and I have a few hundred machines running it, so I am fairly confident it works)
[23:09] <RoundDuckMann> hard to wipe...
[23:09] <njh_> don't use LVM :)
[23:10] <njh_> just btrfs on plain partitions
[23:10] <njh_> you can add more drives later
[23:10] <RoundDuckMann> Is it included with 15.10
[23:10] <whatwhat2> k1l_ no errors when i restarted. Is that full-upgrade scanning the system for any fuckups in packages?
[23:10] <k1l_> the standard filesystem for ubuntu is still ext4.
[23:10] <whatwhat2> k1l_ thanks btw.
[23:10] <RoundDuckMann> I know that
[23:10] <k1l_> whatwhat2: no it isnt.
[23:11] <whatwhat2> k1l_ and later on, i would like to know how to avoid a bad ppa
[23:11] <k1l_> whatwhat2: dont be paranoid, see if there are errors while using it. then try to fix them
[23:11] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: Is Btrfs included?
[23:12] <whatwhat2> k1l_ is there a way to have it scan through ALL packages to see if there is anything missing?
[23:13] <njh_> yeah
[23:13] <njh_> it's an option in the normal installer
[23:13] <k1l_> whatwhat2: the packagesystem would have already put an error on running the updates.
[23:14] <njh_> you should read the docs for btrfs to understand how scrubing and adding and removing drives works
[23:14] <RoundDuckMann> Also if my 15.10 USB is read-only, will I get viruses (probably not, but stil want to make sure)
[23:15] <whatwhat2> k1l_ uh, i don't understand your past
[23:15] <k1l_> RoundDuckMann: probably not
[23:15] <whatwhat2> k1l_ you last comment
[23:16] <k1l_> whatwhat2: your system doesnt have any issues with packages right now it the update commands went through without errors
[23:16] <whatwhat2> k1l_ is there a way to tell the package system to scan and fix for errors?
[23:16] <whatwhat2> oh ok
[23:16] <RoundDuckMann> I checked for BTRFS's package in Ubuntu, it's already in, so it is included
[23:16] <RoundDuckMann> wanted to make sure
[23:16] <whatwhat2> so if an app had a dependency (like spotify) the package update command would have fixed them?
[23:16] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, I wouldn't worry about that
[23:17] <njh_> just use the system defaults
[23:17] <k1l_> whatwhat2: no
[23:17] <njh_> and keep your stuff up to date
[23:17] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: system defaults?
[23:17] <k1l_> whatwhat2: the packagasystem tries to fix the depencies on install already
[23:17] <Mikelevel> whatwhat2~ libss0.9.8 ?
[23:17] <whatwhat2> k1l_ spotify was already installed. I didn't want to break existing apps
[23:18] <whatwhat2> mikelevel I don't know. She's on the lao
[23:18] <whatwhat2> laptop doing schoolwork
[23:18] <k1l_> whatwhat2: i dont get what issue you are having now
[23:18] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: What system defaults? ext4?
[23:19] <whatwhat2> k1l_ i only wanted to make sure there was a way to recover from the install -f command
[23:19] <whatwhat2> the sledgehammer
[23:19] <k1l_> whatwhat2: if the update command i gave you worked. than its fine. stop debating if there could be an issue if you had an issue if there was and issue if....
[23:19] <njh_> RoundDuckMann, btrfs, don't touch anything else
[23:20] <whatwhat2> k1l_ k... i gtg to the coop and can't fix it if i'm away and she's like "It's broken!"
[23:20] <RoundDuckMann> njh_: Btrfs has settings? I know it's resizable and all that, but settings?
[23:20] <whatwhat2> k1l_ thanks
[23:20] <njh_> sure, all filesystems have settings
[23:20] <RoundDuckMann> oh, heh.
[23:20] <njh_> (you can't mount them without at least one setting :)
[23:20] <njh_> that's the third last column in fstab
[23:21] <RoundDuckMann> I'll try it then...
[23:21] <RoundDuckMann> thanks
[23:21] <satan-> hi guys
[23:22] <Rache> hey satan
[23:22] <RoundDuckMann> Also BTW, yes, gparted placed in a new partition table fast finally...
[23:22] <satan-> recently installed latest adwaita icon theme but can't even select that in settings or tweak neither (ubuntu 12.04)
[23:22] <RoundDuckMann> Great it's MS/Satan, nuke him to death!!!!   just kidding. :P
[23:23] <RoundDuckMann> name jokes...
[23:23] <RoundDuckMann> MS wouldn't be here anyways... They would just blab about clouds and W10... :P
[23:24] <satan-> oh nvm
[23:24] <satan-> got it with dconf
[23:24] <RoundDuckMann> gotta go
[23:42] <RoundDuckMann> One more thing, what's the best file system for SSDs in features/stablility? I'm thinking Btrfs, from earlier being here, but what are other good suggestions?
[23:43] <bekks> RoundDuckMann: ext4.
[23:43] <alive876> hi, i  started vncserver in a cloud environment with this command  vncserver -httpport 8080 , it came bck with: New 'X' desktop is brw314-dlib-c-2621594:2   , however when i try to connect to this with a vnc client i get server disconnected, any help appreciated!
[23:44] <k1l_> btrfs and stability? i doubt. ext4 is the standard for ubuntu and works very well with ssds. ubuntu ads trim support automatically
[23:44] <Ben64> alive876: what port did you try
[23:45] <alive876>  <Ben64>  2 nd 8080
[23:45] <alive876> 2 and 8080
[23:45] <Ben64> both are wrong
[23:45] <RoundDuckMann> k1l_:   anything wrong with Btrfs? I'd like a resizable FS without needing to use LVM
[23:45] <alive876> ok
[23:45] <Ben64> 8080 is the http port, you wouldn't connect to that with a vnc client
[23:45] <RoundDuckMann> is it too new?
[23:46] <k1l_> RoundDuckMann: ext4 is resizeable
[23:46] <Ben64> alive876: 2 is never the port, :2 refers to the display number, normally on vnc it'd be accessible via 5900+($DISPLAY) so... 5902
[23:46] <RoundDuckMann> ext4's not perfectly like that though, for example wouldn't resizing ext4 result in grub not working?
[23:47] <alive876> ok although its cloud9 nd they say they only open 8080 8081 8082
[23:47] <k1l_> RoundDuckMann: btrfs is still not stable. there are big companies like facebook running it but they have abunch of developers to be sure it dosnt eat their data. as a regular desktop user i doubt you have that
[23:47] <RoundDuckMann> True.
[23:47] <k1l_> RoundDuckMann: why should resizing result in grub not working?
[23:48] <RoundDuckMann> I've heard if not using LVM, resizing a root ext4 partition results in grub not working
[23:48] <k1l_> RoundDuckMann: you heard wrong things
[23:48] <Dynabeast> Hello?
[23:49] <Dynabeast> Grub doesnt recognize my keyboard
[23:49] <Dynabeast> K70 rgb
[23:49] <ramkam2013> hello hello
[23:49] <Dynabeast> Can anyone help me?
 using noVNC it comes back with "noVNC ready: native WebSockets, canvas rendering" but it does really do nything else
[23:50] <Ben64> alive876: on which port
 using noVNC it comes back with "noVNC ready: native WebSockets, canvas rendering" but it does really do nything else
[23:50] <ramkam2013> i'm running ubuntu server 14.04 (headless) on a VM, and i've resized the VM disk. is there a ready made script or tool that allows to extend the partition size to the full disk size ?
[23:51] <RoundDuckMann> I guess then that I was mistaken
[23:52] <alive876> 5902 which i input this way brw314-dlib-c-2621594:5902 and brw314-dlib-c-2621594::5902
[23:53] <Ben64> alive876: well if you say they don't open that port it won't work
[23:54] <alive876> ok, although they say they do have members running x-servers, but they dont say how
[23:55] <ALTO> exit
[23:56] <Ben64> alive876: you just have to use one of the ports you can use


 Finally proposed is unblocked, so plasma 5.21.0 and fw 5.79 will be on next iso build 😀
 @RikMills, That's great news
 btw I'm doing the fw thing I didn't have time yet to do
 a bit late but I guess the packages could take a bit to migrate
 @Santa, all done now, so no worries
 updated https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Live_Images#Ships_Plasma_5.21
[11:07] <guiverc> not sure if this is anything; neon user asked on askubu (off-topic) about https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/kup-backup which has a recommends for 'bup', user says it's required.. I've not used software, but is there an issue with a 'recommends' and it doesn't exist (dropped as it was dep python2.7)
[11:37] <mparillo> so 2021-02-20 05:43	 should have 5.21 and FW 5.79?
 yes
[11:41] <mparillo> TY. zsyncing. I should be able to sanity-check today.
[12:23] <mparillo> I noticed that the daily ISO loads a GRUB menu where I can see the OEM option. Much nicer than the old ISO where I had to keep mashing any key and then hit F4 (IIRC).
[12:23] <mparillo> The live image is indeed 5.21 / 5.79
[12:26] <mparillo> However, the desktop in my VM appears solid black with no icon on it for Installing Kubuntu (did we default to Kwin-Wayland?). No crisis, as the live session user can type install in the application launcher or in krunner.
[12:28] <mparillo> My region came up as Antigua. When I changed it to United States, I could not select my time zone.
[12:30] <RikMills> mparillo: in my VM https://i.imgur.com/PwF06wc.png
[12:32] <mparillo> So maybe something strange in my Hardware, my Win10 host, or VMware.
[12:33] <mparillo> Clicking on the links in the slideshow still does nothing, but otherwise the install seemed successful. Re-booting my VM.
[12:35] <mparillo> Everything seems good on re-boot. Discover prompted me to update, which is proceeding. I noticed that we install ksysguard. Did I read somewhere there was a new system monitor?
[12:35] <mparillo> Ahh, we get both
[12:37] <RikMills> the new one depends on ksysguard, which is annoying
[12:38] <mparillo> My vote: Put the new System Monitor in Favorites, leave the old ksysguard only under System in Application Launcher.
[12:38] <RikMills> hmmmm
[12:39] <mparillo> And they both have the same icon in the Icons-only Task Manager
[12:41] <mparillo> Libre Office looks better and better. I wish K^HCalligra kept improving.
[12:41] <mparillo> So big thanks to you and Santa.
 (Photo, 785x285) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/tw91cuWe/file_41777.jpg
[12:42] <RikMills> mparillo: I guess that is the timezone issue ^^
[12:43] <mparillo> The funny thing, is once installed, it guessed my time (Eastern).
[12:44] <RikMills> I think the guessing is ok, but it can't return it to the UI in a form it can read
[12:46] <RikMills> mparillo: can you report a bug? if you don't have the time, no worries
[13:11] <mparillo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1916331
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:22] <RikMills> mparillo: thanks!
 5.21 has been impressive so far on my laptop. Thanks Rik and Santa for keeping Kubuntu alive!
 @DarinMiller https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma
 Which is April release I think
 Interesting, I am told a fedora dev might be wanting to talk to us about some collaboration, but I don't know what about. Perhaps it might be that as we have the same(ish) release month.
 I had not seen that website, but I have heard rumblings for "non-nvidia" consideration.  But looks like Fedora is going hook, line and sinker...
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/m8lLAHl5/file_41797.mp4
 Gotta be careful what you catch!
 😀
 We don't have a 'bigger boat' :P
 Desktop upgrade to  21.04 on my desktop was very smooth.  And I booted into wayland from my Nvdia desktop with proprietary drivers enabled for the 1st time ever. :)
 Wayland Nvidia?
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/qCLI14K2/file_41802.mp4
 Yes, Wayland NVidia..... but no go.. Lots of rough edges still.  Wine games do not run-including proton based games.  Dual display scaling is still a bit quirky as is adjusting panel sizes in wayland mode.
 Found enough paper cuts in the 1st three minutes to push me back to X.
 To be expected honestly
[22:12] <valorie> I think I'll upgrade my travel lappy soon
[22:12] <valorie> no nvidia issues in that one
 I've managed to survive on wayland for more than a month, using amdgpu free


[00:29] <Quintasan> Welp
[00:29] <Quintasan> https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Borat
[00:29] <Quintasan> This is hillarious
[00:41] <shadeslayer> reddit exploded
[00:41] <shadeslayer> and what the heck?
[00:41] <shadeslayer> xD
[00:45] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: any links?
[00:45] <shadeslayer> too many
[00:45] <shadeslayer> see /r/linux
[00:45]  * ahoneybun is on CL for desks
[00:48] <ahoneybun> seems most comments are on the KC/Riddell side
[00:54] <ahoneybun> damn Plasma really does not like it when you plug and unplug a monitor in
[00:54] <ahoneybun> and out
[01:43] <Etriaph> How do I log a bug against a next-stage2 package?
[01:43] <Etriaph> Just ubuntu-bug ?
[01:46] <sgclark> you don't , tell me so I can look
[01:46] <Etriaph> Oh, did you see the two screenshots I linked?
[01:46] <Etriaph> ^
[01:46] <sgclark> where?
[01:47] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/dolphin_strange.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/dolphin_strange_after_adding_places_in_kate.png
[01:47] <Etriaph> Strange behavior.  :D
[01:47] <sgclark> hmm indeed
[01:47] <Etriaph> When places are closed, I click on the icon for the root of that place and I get that.
[01:48] <Etriaph> And it seems to increase as I add places.
[01:48] <Etriaph> Someone didn't comment out a loop or something somewhere :D
[01:48] <sgclark> ok, so these are not ready for prime time, thanks, I will look into it
[01:50] <Etriaph> Well, that *one* package, I haven't tested everything that's come in.
[01:52] <Etriaph> Everything else seems to be working fine.  Haven't had an issue with Kate yet and it was updated; kdenlive seems to be working as I would expect too.
[07:18] <Peace-> Riddell: i am reading your article :) you are aggressive hihihih
[07:18] <Peace-> i guess i never see you aggressive in the channel since i use kubutnu so... it's 9 years i guess
[07:23] <Peace-> mah ....
[07:27] <Peace-> ScottK:
[07:28] <soee> -:)
[07:32] <ovidiu-florin> Starting Kompare from Kickoff: KDEInit could not execute „/usr/bin/kompare”
[07:33] <ovidiu-florin> starting it form konsole, works
[07:46] <ovidiu-florin> starting it from KRunner gives the same error
[07:59] <Peace-> ovidiu-florin: yes i got that too
[08:20] <yossarianuk> Riddell: I hope whatever happens re: drama doesn't put you off your efforts on kde/kubuntu
[08:20] <sick_rimmit> Good morning me lovelies
[08:20] <yossarianuk> What would Kubuntu loose if you re-based on debian (vanilla) ?
[08:20]  * sick_rimmit waves and grins
[08:21] <yossarianuk> In fact I think every single comment I have read from various sources backs Riddell:
[08:25] <valorie> we knew the community was behind Riddell
[08:25] <valorie> the trick is lowering the heat and creating peace and understanding again with the larger Ubuntu community
[08:26]  * sick_rimmit agrees with valorie
[08:28] <sick_rimmit> Also, Riddell needs and deserves our full support, which it's clear he has, and that is very important for Kubuntu Community
[08:28] <yossarianuk> that would be better - its so different to the Canonical we knew 10 years ago...
[08:28] <valorie> well, change is the only constant
[08:29] <valorie> yearning for the good old days gets us nowhere
[08:29] <alket> I was really surprised, Riddell has always been super good and helpful to me
[08:29] <yossarianuk> but what would kubuntu loose if it did decide to re-base on debian (vanilla) ?
[08:29] <valorie> yes, we were gobsmacked
[08:30] <valorie> yossarianuk: we'd lose not just the ubuntu community, but also all the technical support and infrastructure we have here
[08:30] <valorie> it would be quite serious, and i for one do not want that
[08:31] <yossarianuk> valorie: ah ok, yes that is fair enough..
[08:35] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[08:48] <sitter> valorie: infrastructure is not much of an argument. infrastructure is 99% server resources (bandwith, actual cpu/mem power, space). that's all directly related to monies, so in away if we are not leaving because of the monies that makes it sound a lot like prostitution and/or canonical being our sugar daddy :P
[08:49] <yossarianuk> you would get extra geek and 'moral' points for going with debian...
[08:50] <yossarianuk> debian's base system has always seemed that bit more lightweight...
[08:50] <valorie> well, how would you propose that we raise enough to afford not just the servers etc. but also sysadmins to run it all?
[08:51] <sitter> *seems* wrong considering the base of a kubuntu system is the base of a kde system
[08:51] <valorie> seriously, the infra IS a big deal
[08:51] <valorie> and there are no bodies or souls being sold
[08:51] <valorie> we're part of ubuntu and have been since the beginning
[08:51] <valorie> the point is that secret firings are simply not the ubuntu way
[08:51] <sitter> valorie: debian seems to do fine, so does every distribution that isn't fedora/suse/ubuntu
[08:52] <valorie> I'm not saying we can't
[08:52] <valorie> I'm saying that we're part of ubuntu, and that infra has always been part of that
[08:53] <valorie> if it becomes impossible to be part of ubuntu, then we'll have to do something different
[08:53] <valorie> and I don't need any more geek or morality points
[08:53] <sitter> that I will agree with
[08:54] <sitter> I will also highlight the fact that it appears every year for the past 4 or 5 years we had to deal with utterly pointless drama of some sort and we didn't ask for any of it
[08:54] <Gamayun> Is there any way to / point in trying get the ubuntu governance changed? E.g. community-elected CC...
[08:56] <valorie> Gamayun: it's just come to my attention that the CC *is* community elected
[08:56] <valorie> I even found a ballot in my old email I never saw before.....
[08:56] <valorie> at least it wasn't thrown out in spam
[08:57] <valorie> so I guess people need to pay attention
[09:01] <sitter> valorie: one person has a permanent seat and nominates candidates the membership may choose from. at best that's a "moderated" election at worst its a confirmation of appointment
[09:02] <Gamayun> valorie: Well, according to the wiki it's appointed by Shuttleworth and then approved (rubberstamped?) by vote... If anything that seems the reverse of the sensible way to do it -- have the community elect members and leave Mark a veto (if he so wants it).
[09:03] <valorie> agreed
[09:04] <valorie> in fact Hong Kong had days and weeks of protest about just this for their government
[09:04] <valorie> but i have to sleep now; another early call tomorrow
[09:05] <valorie> ttyl
[09:05] <Gamayun> valorie: sensible
[09:59] <Riddell> clivejo: so open debian/changelog in your favourite text editor and fix the name/email
[10:01] <clivejo> done
[10:01] <clivejo> do I have to re-debuild?
[10:01] <Riddell> clivejo: debuild -nc  will do a rebuild without clean so it doesn't compile it all again
[10:01] <Riddell> clivejo: what version number did you use?
[10:02] <clivejo> version number of what?
[10:02] <Riddell> clivejo: for the package? first line in debian/changelog
[10:02] <clivejo> digikam (4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium
[10:03] <Riddell> clivejo: lovely, for your PPA upload change that to 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1  and UNRELEASED to wily
[10:04] <Riddell> clivejo: if you look on the ec2 you can see I can dh_install --list-missing and it lists all the files which are not in any .install file and so don't end up in a .deb
[10:04] <clivejo> I run debuild again, but still have email warnings
[10:04] <Riddell> clivejo: that's fine the e-mail is picked up earlier in the build so a -nc won't clear it but it'll be fine when you build the source package
[10:05] <Riddell> clivejo: digikam is a beast and contains lots of parts and one of those parts is libkipi which is also released separately so all the --list-missing files are just libkipi which we don't want to package with digikam now
[10:05] <Riddell> clivejo: so I think it's all good to upload to your PPA?
[10:06] <clivejo> ok so debuild -nc signed the files with my new key
[10:07] <clivejo> how do I rerun debuild as a fresh/clean run?
[10:08] <Riddell> clivejo: for a complete build just run  debuild (or debuild -J4 where 4 is the number of cores on your computer CPU)
[10:08] <Riddell> clivejo: but to make the source package just do  debuild -S
[10:09] <clivejo> unknown arguement -J
[10:10] <Riddell> eh?
[10:10] <clivejo> its lower case j
[10:11] <clivejo> debuild -j4
[10:12] <Riddell> ah yes
[10:14] <clivejo> does it overwrite existing files?
[10:14] <clivejo> mmmm using multiple cores is a lot faster :)
[10:15] <Riddell> debuild -j4 will clear out all the compiled stuff, compile it again then make new .deb files from that
[10:15] <Riddell> and overwrite the .build log etc
[10:16] <clivejo> so I only upload the source package to LP and it builds the binaries for the different arch?
[10:16] <Riddell> right
[10:17] <clivejo> clever
[10:17] <Riddell> (that's different from debian where for some reason they upload the source with a .deb and the build server compiles it on other arches but that's problematic and I'm not sure why they do that)
[10:17] <clivejo> what about actual binaries like media?
[10:18] <Riddell> they'll just be part of the source orig.tar.gz like the code
[10:19] <clivejo> I see
[10:20] <clivejo> at 66%
[10:21] <Riddell> clivejo: you can browse the cmake output near the start of the .build log file to see if there's anything suspicious in it
[10:21] <clivejo> what am I looking for?
[10:21] <clivejo> danger will robinson?
[10:22]  * sitter wiggles arms
[10:22] <Riddell> clivejo: missing build dependencies mostly
[10:23] <Riddell> clivejo: digikam is a beast so the cmake output is pretty complex
[10:23] <clivejo> indeed, there is a lot of output
[10:23] <clivejo> I feel like Im falling
[10:24] <Riddell> you didn't pick an easy package :)
[10:24] <Riddell> "Starting CMake configuration for: digiKam Software Collection" lists the stuff for the libraries it builds
[10:24] <Riddell> it's saying it'll bulid some and not others
[10:24] <Riddell> and I know that all the ones marked NO are released separately so we don't want to build them
[10:24] <Riddell> "Congratulations! All external packages have been found" that's a good thing, means there's nothing missing
[10:24] <Riddell> then it runs cmake all over again for kipi-plugins
[10:25] <Riddell> and then a final time for digikam
[10:25] <Riddell> and you can see the conclusions cmake comes to for both of those and query why it says No to some bits (in this case I'm mostly happy it's bits we don't want)
[10:26] <clivejo> has anyone done digikam yet?
[10:26] <Riddell> nope, it's all yours
[10:26] <clivejo> is there a workflow?
[10:27] <clivejo> and how does it get pushed from my PPA into main archive?
[10:29] <clivejo> can debuild use GPU?
[10:30] <Riddell> compilers won't use the GPU
[10:31] <clivejo> I guess for code that wouldnt be useful!
[10:31] <Riddell> to get it into the main archive I need to upload it or another member of kubuntu-dev
[10:31] <Riddell> lets gets it into your PPA first
[10:31] <Riddell> which means running  debuild -S  when you're happy to upload it
[10:31] <clivejo> 89%
[10:31] <Riddell> with that changed version number and distro in the top of the changelog
[10:31] <clivejo> slowed down a bit
[10:33] <clivejo> generating a lot of heat :/
[10:34] <Riddell> why else do you think linux is popular in finland? :)
[10:35] <clivejo> 97%
[10:39] <clivejo> oh dear
[10:39] <Riddell> oh dear?
[10:40] <clivejo> pacakges arent in that format :/
[10:40] <Riddell> which format?
[10:40] <clivejo> digikam-doc_4.10.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:41] <clivejo> shouldnt they be digikam-doc_4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1.deb ?
[10:41] <Riddell> clivejo: yes, isn't that what gets made?
[10:41] <clivejo> nope :(
[10:42] <clivejo> no email errors
[10:42] <clivejo> thats just weird
[10:42] <Riddell> well let's see what happens when you make the source package, run  debuild -S
[10:42] <clivejo> oh *beep* *beep* beeping* *beep*
[10:43] <Riddell> I think your microwave meal is ready :)
[10:44] <clivejo> didnt save the changelog after editing
[10:44] <clivejo> I need to use nano, cant get hang on emacs
[10:46] <Riddell> kate works too
[10:46] <clivejo> I must have forgot to save the file before I quit emacs
[10:46]  * clivejo bangs head off table
[10:47] <clivejo> Ill get it right yet
[10:47] <clivejo> can you explain the naming conventions?
[10:48] <clivejo> why not kubuntu15.10 ?
[10:48] <clivejo> is digikam not a kde app?
[10:48] <Riddell> clivejo: because it's all part of the ubuntu archive so we use the same version number conventions for the same archive
[10:49] <Riddell> "4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1"  "4:" is an epoch which means the version number got screwed up sometime in the past and had to be reset
[10:49] <Riddell> "4.10.0" is upstream version
[10:49] <Riddell> "0" is debian version, this isn't in debian so start at 0
[10:49] <Riddell> "ubuntu1" is version in the ubuntu archive
[10:49] <Riddell> "~ubuntu15.10" ~ is a special character meaning the following is less than the bit before and ~ubuntu15.10 means a backport build for ubuntu
[10:50] <Riddell> ubuntu 15.10
[10:50] <Riddell> and ~ppa1 means version in your PPA, if you need a second upload bump that to ~ppa2
[10:50] <Riddell> it's a bit faffy I know
[10:50] <clivejo> backport to 15.10?
[10:51] <clivejo> shouldnt that be a forwardport ?
[10:52] <Riddell> backports are updates to released versions, 15.04 is out with digikam 4.9.0-0ubuntu1 so the backport is 4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04 which means if the user upgrades to wily with 4.10.0-0ubuntu1 it's a larger version number
[10:52] <Riddell> and we put it in PPA packages so people can still upgrade to backports fine
[10:53] <Riddell> even if they won't exist for another 6 months until wily is released
[10:53] <clivejo> ok, Im rebuilding
[10:53] <clivejo> re: workflow, is there something you guys work on?
[10:55] <clivejo> Der Gemeinschafts-Beirat von Ubuntu hat eine Strafmaßnahme gegen Jonathan Riddell, den Projektleiter von Kubuntu verhängt. Riddell wurde angewiesen, sofort für mindestens 12 Monate von seinen Ämtern zurückzutreten.
[10:56] <clivejo> you're in the news in all different languages!
[10:56] <Riddell> jaja
[10:56] <Riddell> clivejo: what do you mean by workflow?
[10:57] <clivejo> well how do you prevent stepping on each others toes, duplicating work
[10:57] <Riddell> oh we have a revision control system
[10:57] <Riddell> the debian/ packaging is all in debian git branches
[10:57] <Riddell> and of course we say here "I'm working on foo"
[10:58] <Riddell> and if we need to we make an etherpad to share notes on what to work on
[10:58] <Riddell> much of the KDE stuff gets released as 100 tars at a time (frameworks, plasma and applications releases) so we script those to do them in bulk
[10:59] <Riddell> and there's KCI to do continuous integration of upstream source with our packaging so hopefully we can fix packaging as it needs it rather than do lots at once
[10:59] <clivejo> is plasma 5.3.1 for wily ready?
[10:59] <Riddell> nope that needs someone to work on it :)
[10:59] <clivejo> mmmmm there goes that deadline!
[11:00] <Riddell> but maybe get your head around simple packaging then move onto stuff with git merges and somewhat unreliable mass build scripts
[11:00] <clivejo> where is the source for plasma?
[11:00] <Riddell> I put it here http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.3.1/
[11:01] <Riddell> and we have packaging scripts in bzr lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[11:02] <clivejo> what work does it need then?
[11:02] <Riddell> it needs the branches merged with debian first
[11:03] <Riddell> then the script run to package it for a staging PPA and uploaded so we can get output like this to easily browse http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html
[11:03] <clivejo> https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5 states you are the dude and the release date was yesterday!
[11:03] <Riddell> it was a busy day yesterday :)
[11:05] <Peace-> xD
[11:05] <Riddell> clivejo: how's digikam doing?
[11:06] <clivejo> you think being stuck off by Ubuntu is Force majeure?!
[11:07] <Peace-> :S
[11:07] <clivejo> 91%
[11:09] <Peace-> what i don't like in kubuntu it's the default plasma in 15.04 , but who cares , i mean i have 14.04 , and the browser , firefox doen't work fine here like chromium , but again who cares , i can install it manually so for the rest kubuntu is good
[11:09] <Peace-> i used it since 9 years
[11:09] <clivejo> it slowes way down the nearer it gets to 100%, almost as bad as windows!
[11:11] <Riddell> that'll be the linking stage, it takes a lot of CPU to link
[11:11] <Peace-> anyway Riddell i support you for your issue in the cc
[11:12] <Riddell> thanks
[11:12] <Peace-> i can't remember you aggressive even when i critized you
[11:12] <Peace-> i mean it was a normal talk :s at least for me
[11:15] <clivejo> thats better
[11:16] <Riddell> sitter: http://kci.pangea.pub/ down?
[11:18] <clivejo> Riddell: that warning was - W: digikam source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.5 (current is 3.9.6)
[11:19] <Riddell> clivejo: debian/control has a field Standards-Version which is just a declaration that the package complies with debian policy version https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[11:19] <sitter> Riddell: yeah
[11:19] <sitter> cant do anything about it
[11:20] <Riddell> the current version is 3.9.6 so it's asking you to check it's all still valid and update that, feel free to if you want
[11:21] <clivejo> do I have to redebuild?
[11:22] <Riddell> you'd have to rebuild to make the lintian error go away but it's a simple enough change you can just assume you've done it right
[11:23] <clivejo> I think Ill just go ahead and upload
[11:23] <clivejo> so debuild -S?
[11:25] <Riddell> clivejo: yep :)
[11:33] <clivejo> Riddell: ok source packages signed and ready#
[11:34] <Riddell> clivejo: awooga
[11:34] <Riddell> in the directory above will be a source.change sfile
[11:34] <Riddell> cat digikam...source.changes
[11:34] <Riddell> to give it a final eye over and make sure the release and version numbers are right
[11:35]  * ahoneybun o/ \o clivejo
[11:35] <Riddell> then  dput ppa:clivejo digikam...source.changes
[11:35] <Riddell> and it'll get sent to launchpad
[11:36] <clivejo> looks ok
[11:36] <clivejo> nothing jumping out at me
[11:37] <clivejo> do I have to state to put it in my wily PPA?
[11:39] <Riddell> oh yes
[11:39] <clivejo> Riddell: Error: uploading files for distribution UNRELEASED to ppa not allowed.
[11:40] <Riddell> right change UNRELEASED to wily in debian/changelog first line and run  debuild -S again
[11:40] <Riddell> and you're right it's  dput ppa:clivejo/wily digikam...source.changes
[11:41] <Riddell> clivejo: I'll shut down the ec2 if we're done with it
[11:41] <clivejo> sure
[11:42] <clivejo> is it a free one or paid for?
[11:42] <Riddell> paid for from my credit card
[11:43] <Riddell> I usually claim back from ubuntu community fund but I've no idea if I can do so now
[11:43] <Riddell> in which case we have some kubuntu donations we can use
[11:43] <clivejo> brb phone calls
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:02] <bkerensa> Hi
[12:04] <soee> Riddell: what option exactly do we need for such packaging http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ ?
[12:07] <clivejo> Riddell: back
[12:07] <clivejo> how long does it take to build on LP?
[12:09] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:11] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[12:13] <clivejo> Riddell: what should I try next?
[12:14] <palasso> Riddell: I'm sorry for their attempt of defaming and demotivating you and the Kubuntu team. At least that's how I perceive it as I don't see any other meaningful purpose behind it, trying to remove you from the position of "Kubuntu Leader". I say to all the Kubuntu Team (including ScottK ) to become even more motivated about your project because it matters. If your project wasn't as important as it is then none of this would happen
[12:14] <palasso> . You keep alive the true Ubuntu spirit with a true vibrant community and a lot of users happy.
[12:15] <clivejo> palasso: +1
[12:15] <palasso> I'm just an ex Kubuntu user (now using arch with KDE)
[12:16] <palasso> I do have friends that use Kubuntu though (they're more "human beings" than me :D )
[12:21] <bkerensa> palasso: +1
[12:27] <clivejo> anyone know how I can tell which KDE apps have been ported to 15.10?
[12:28] <Sho_> 'ported to 15.10'?
[12:28] <clivejo> packaged
[12:28] <BluesKaj> the general consenus is the CC is being high handed and disengenuous with their CoC accusations about Jonathan Riddell, and I concur ..I have no vote . but +1 fits
[12:29] <murthy> clivejo: you mean ported to frameworks 5?
[12:30] <clivejo> I dunno what I mean!
[12:30] <murthy> :)
[12:30] <BluesKaj> clivejo, most have been, but some are still running on plsama 4
[12:30] <clivejo> for example - http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Weather+Widget?content=169572
[12:30] <clivejo> how do I tel if that has been packaged for 15.10
[12:32] <BluesKaj> clivejo, similar to 15.04, they''l be in the package manager
[12:33] <clivejo> BluesKaj: 15.10 is in development, so needs the packages brought up-to-date
[12:33] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I'm on 15.10
[12:33] <clivejo> BluesKaj: do you use digikam?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> clivejo, no but it's listed in muon
[12:34] <murthy> BluesKaj: main workstation?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> murthy, no this my media sercer pc, with 2 HDDs, one for testing the other for a stable OS
[12:35] <BluesKaj> server
[12:36] <murthy> ah, ok
[12:36]  * BluesKaj is a home user
[12:36] <murthy> me too
[12:39] <clivejo> yippeeee i386 build successful!
[12:42] <clivejo> amd64 is too
[12:42]  * clivejo dances
[12:44] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I find most of those weather apps annoying and clunky, got a screenshot ?
[12:44] <clivejo> its a widget for plasma 5
[12:45] <clivejo> http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=169572&file1=169572-1.png&file2=169572-2.png&file3=&name=Weather+Widget
[12:45] <claydoh_> Ahh the wonderful packaging dance. It is a wonderful feeling, aion't it clivejo :)
[12:45] <clivejo> claydoh_: it is indeed!
[12:46]  * claydoh needs to dance more, lol!
[12:46] <clivejo> claydoh: do you know how I can get this pushed to the main wily archive?
[12:47] <clivejo> so that I can see it using apt-get ?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> i just have the weather network as one of my home pages, think I'll stick witht that
[12:47] <claydoh> if it is your ppa, then just add that to your system, and it will see it ;)
[12:48] <clivejo> BluesKaj: its just an example, Im looking to get some experience packaging new releases
[12:48] <clivejo> the more widgets available for plasma 5 the better in my opinion
[12:49] <clivejo> I wish I could find a kontact widget
[12:49] <BluesKaj> clivejo, yes, of course
[12:49] <clivejo> claydoh: I installed it already on my system
[12:53] <Riddell> thanks palasso :)
[12:54] <Riddell> clivejo: looks like digikam compile on your PPA so I'll give it a quick eye over then upload to ubuntu archive
[12:55] <clivejo> Riddell: I know!  Im so excited!
[13:06] <Riddell> clivejo: fancy packaging kamoso? https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2015-May/008569.html
[13:06] <sgclark> Riddell: clivejo: 15.04.1 apps have been packaged and in testing stage2 for some time know, I have been a bit distracted...
[13:07] <Riddell> clivejo: we already have packaging in kubuntu ci so just bind the right repos and branches http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[13:09]  * clivejo stops dancing and sits down in disapointment
[13:12] <Riddell> clivejo: disapointment at what?
[13:12] <clivejo> that digikam has already been done
[13:13] <clivejo> Riddell: is this the package I should be updating?
[13:15] <Riddell> clivejo: digikam wasn't done, I'll take your packgae and upload to ubuntu
[13:15] <clivejo> oh, I though sgclark said it was done
[13:15] <Riddell> clivejo: kamoso needs packaging now (along with purpose library) and there's some packaging branches available for daily builds but they need put together with the release
[13:16] <sgclark> clivejo: ah no those particualr two are not done
[13:16] <sgclark> apologies
[13:16] <Riddell> clivejo: Applications 15.04.1 is in a staging PPA and needs checked over, Digikam isn't release as part of KDE Applications
[13:16] <clivejo> oh
[13:21] <Riddell> clivejo: so aye let me know if you want to do kamoso
[13:22] <clivejo> I want to try it
[13:22] <clivejo> Ive downloaded the source
[13:22] <clivejo> and the current
[13:23] <clivejo> doing dch -i now
[13:23] <kfunk> ETA for 5.3.1 in backports? :)
[13:28] <sgclark> kfunk: assumming it was done already for wily I can do it today
[13:29] <sgclark> Riddell: do you know if it was ^ ?
[13:30] <Riddell> sgclark: nobody has done it yet
[13:31] <Riddell> sgclark: but backports is separate from wily, there's already branches for backports packaging
[13:31] <Riddell> so it can be done straight away using the kubuntu_vivid_backports branches
[13:31] <sgclark> ok thanks
[13:33] <clivejo> Riddell: 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED
[13:33] <clivejo> dpkg-source: info: the patch has fuzz which is not allowed, or is malformed
[13:33] <Riddell> clivejo: purpose or kamoso?
[13:33] <clivejo> kamoso
[13:34] <Riddell> clivejo: start with purpose
[13:34] <Riddell> that's the library that kamoso uses so that should come first
[13:34] <Riddell> then talk to apol (the upstream developer) to work out what patch is needed for frameworks 5.9
[13:35] <clivejo> throwing me in at the deep end!
[13:35] <Riddell> it can't be worse than digikam :)
[13:36] <clivejo> do you keep the library separate?
[13:36] <clivejo> have a new and current for both?
[13:36] <Riddell> sitter: did you merge debian experimental branches for frameworks?
[13:36] <Riddell> clivejo: yep
[13:36] <Riddell> they're two separate packages
[13:37] <sitter> since you did not
[13:38] <clivejo> Riddell: how do I name an alpha using ubuntu version control?
[13:38] <Riddell> kamoso-3.0-alpha.tar.xz → kamoso-3.0~alpha.orig.tar.xz
[13:39] <Riddell> and then in changelog entry it's  3.0~alpha-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[13:43] <clivejo> Riddell:  * Component: universe
[13:43] <clivejo>  * State: Failed to build
[13:43] <clivejo>  * Duration: 11 minutes
[13:43] <clivejo> digikam
[13:43] <Riddell> meh
[13:43] <Riddell> probably my fault, I merged in a change that was in bzr which we forgot to look at
[13:47] <kfunk> sitter: may I assume right that installing  libphonon4qt5-dev should pull in libphonon4qt5experimental4?
[13:47] <kfunk> (it doesn't)
[13:47] <sitter> debian thinks it's shouldn't
[13:48] <Darkwing> Morning/Afternoon
[13:48] <clivejo> wasnt bzr phased out?
[13:48] <kfunk> sitter: uh?
[13:50] <clivejo> Riddell: is purpose new, I cant find an existing package for it
[13:50] <kfunk> clivejo: new lib, yes
[13:50] <Riddell> clivejo: yes it is, we have packaging in git http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[13:50] <clivejo> Im drowning here!
[13:51] <sitter> kfunk: debian thinks it is wrong that the phononcmake config declares the relevant import target so they simply made the dev not pull in the experimental lib IIRC
[13:51] <clivejo> got a tutorial on how to package from new?
[13:54] <Riddell> clivejo: it's not from new, you should package from the branch in git
[13:55] <Riddell> ooh kubotu's working
[14:00] <clivejo>  you should package from the branch in git - how do I do that?!?
[14:06] <Riddell> clivejo: you know how to use git?
[14:07] <clivejo> not to this extent
[14:07] <clivejo> do I use  git-import-dsc?
[14:09] <Riddell> that sounds scary
[14:09] <Riddell> git clone https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git
[14:09] <Riddell> cd purpose
[14:10] <Riddell> git checkout kubuntu_wily_archive
[14:10] <Riddell> should get you a debian/ directory with all the packaging almost ready
[14:10] <clivejo> where did you find that!
[14:10] <clivejo> I been searching for that
[14:10] <Riddell> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/  I used control-f to find "purpose" which took me to http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/
[14:10] <clivejo> why use such a common name!
[14:11] <Riddell> and it has three clone links, the first one is for people without an account on the debian git server
[14:11] <Riddell> also at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/ you can see it has three branches, "kubuntu_unstable" which is used by the daily builds in KCI, kubuntu_wily_archive which is intended for what we're doing now packaging a release for the archive
[14:11] <Riddell> and "master" which is debian's branch
[14:13] <clivejo> I need to do reading on this, its over my head now
[14:13] <Riddell> clivejo: let us know when you work out what questions you have
[14:15] <clivejo> Riddell: you made the orig package?
[14:17] <Riddell> clivejo: nope get it from the download.kde.org url I gave you
[14:17] <Riddell> and rename it to use the right form
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark, sitter: I'm packaging frameworks for staging
[14:18] <sgclark> ok
[14:18] <clivejo> in the debian changelog it was 5.9.0+git20150427-0ubuntu2
[14:18] <clivejo> saying you did it?
[14:19] <clivejo> how can it be version 5.9 when the source tarball is 0.1alpha
[14:22] <Riddell> clivejo: that's the version used by the daily build, we have to make up a version number for that and hope upstream uses the same version, looks like he didn't in this case
[14:23] <Riddell> clivejo: but just ignore the current stuff in debian/changelog and make your own entry in it
[14:23] <clivejo> Im so confused!
[14:24] <clivejo> so this 5.9 is your number, not the maintainer?
[14:25] <clivejo> what version do I use then?  surely it should be what the upstream maintainer is using?
[14:29] <clivejo> cant find packages kaccounts-integration & libkaccounts-dev
[14:30] <clivejo> I guess it needs Next Stage 2
[14:33] <Riddell> clivejo: yes use what upstream is using
[14:33] <clivejo> 0.1~alpha?
[14:33] <Riddell> exactly
[14:33] <clivejo> ok
[14:33] <Riddell> clivejo: well spotted on kaccounts, yes those will be in next-stage2
[14:33] <clivejo> Im pulling them in now
[14:36] <clivejo> how do you prevent your system becoming a trashcan of packages you dont want?!?
[14:37] <sgclark> chroots
[14:38] <clivejo> sgclark: where did you learn this stuff?
[14:40] <sgclark> Riddell gave me the first lessons and then it was a matter of trial and error and not giving up :)
[14:40] <clivejo> how long you been at it?
[14:40] <sgclark> hmm almost going on 2 years, couple months shy
[14:41] <sgclark> the whole team has been helpful to be fair
[14:41] <sgclark> without them I would not have got far
[14:41] <clivejo> yeah I tried a few years ago too, but the ubuntu team just dont seem interested in teaching
[14:42] <clivejo> just put you down for not knowing stuff
[14:42] <sgclark> yeah, Kubuntu has been by far the best team ever. I found my home.
[14:43] <clivejo> I think I have too
[14:57] <clivejo> Riddell: Im having issues with dep's
[14:58] <clivejo> libkf5wallet-dev : Depends: libkf5wallet5 (= 5.9.0-0ubuntu1) but 5.9.0-0ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[14:58] <clivejo>                     Depends: libkwalletbackend5-5 (= 5.9.0-0ubuntu1) but 5.9.0-0ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[14:59] <Riddell> clivejo: pastebin   apt-cache policy libkf5wallet5; apt-cache policy libkf5wallet-dev
[14:59] <Riddell> to work out where those versions are coming from
[15:01] <clivejo> main archive
[15:03] <Riddell> clivejo: pastebin
[15:07] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pjkixobya
[15:16] <Riddell> clivejo: that version is in vivid-updates you must have installed it from there then removed vivid updates
[15:16] <Riddell> or are you on wily now?
[15:17] <clivejo> yeah
[15:17] <Riddell> so it needs me to do this frameworks upload to fix it
[15:17] <Riddell> apt install libkf5wallet5/5.9.0-0ubuntu1  might help
[15:17] <Riddell> apt install libkf5wallet5/5.9.0-0ubuntu1  libkwalletbackend5-5/5.9.0-0ubuntu1
[15:19] <clivejo> the one due yesterday :P
[15:26] <Riddell> apt install libkf5wallet5/wily  libkwalletbackend5-5/wily   is what you want
[15:33] <clivejo> oh I downlanded and installed the packages manually
[15:33] <clivejo> trying to debuild but getting this error - dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[15:33] <sitter> Riddell, shadeslayer: KCI back up
[15:34] <sgclark> sitter: oh it was down? I have been running many jobs
[15:35]  * sgclark is probably breaking things
[15:35] <sitter> you'll know in 6.5 hours when the daily rebuild starts :P
[15:35] <Riddell> clivejo: pastebin more context
[15:36]  * Riddell needs to go in 25 mins
[15:36] <sgclark> yeah unfortunantely I have to run errands, will have to repair the damages when I get back
[15:37] <Riddell> sgclark: you didn't damage anything!
[15:37] <sitter> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11393543/ what do you make of this?
[15:38] <sitter> actually it's not even just kswapd it's all kernel IO thingums apparently
[15:40] <sgclark> lol okies
[15:40] <sgclark> good to know
[15:40] <clivejo> seems to go wrong from here - qmlplugindump: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmlplugindump': No such file or directory
[15:41] <sgclark> oh and sitter am I the only one that installed your wrap-and-sort git hook?! seems like an awful lot of packages barf on that and I have to manually repair.
[15:42] <clivejo> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/py3dwxd0t
[15:42] <sgclark> does work as intended though lol
[15:42] <sitter> sgclark: if they haven't been wrapped before they will barf
[15:42] <sgclark> ahh yes good point
[15:42] <sitter> also in case we merged with debian that would also be potential for barfing
[15:42] <sgclark> well they are getting wrapped now
[15:42] <sitter> though maxy does wrap AFAIK
[15:42] <sgclark> yeah maxy does
[15:42] <sitter> if warp-and-sort didn't have a tendency to break controls I'd actually advocate running it on merges
[15:42] <sitter> alas, reality xD
[15:43] <sitter> always such a drag
[15:43] <sgclark> yeah I have still run into one that compaltely removed all but dbg ...
[15:43] <sgclark> what does that? spacing?
[15:44] <micahg> clivejo: Riddell: hi, is someone looking into the digikam missing files (FTBFS)? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/207606074/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.digikam_4%3A4.10.0-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:45] <Riddell> clivejo: install qtdeclarative5-dev-tools I think and add to build-depends in debian/control
[15:45] <micahg> that's current blocking the libgphoto migration from proposed
[15:47] <Riddell> micahg: I should be looking into it but I'm pretty distracted today and I think I'll run out of time
[15:47] <Riddell> it built for clivejo in his ppa but I did merge in one more change before I uploaded so it may well be my fault
[15:48] <micahg> ok, should I take a look or leave it for you?
[15:49] <Riddell> micahg: it would be generous if you did
[15:50] <micahg> ok, I'll take a quick look now
[15:50] <Riddell> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam/ is what I uploaded
[15:50] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/wily has what worked for clivejo
[15:50] <micahg> ah, that was going to be my next question :), thanks
[15:51] <Riddell> the commit I added removed a library that is now released separately
[15:51] <clivejo> micahg: can you explain to me how to fix it *holds up newbie white flag*
[15:52] <micahg> clivejo: sure, let me see what's wrong
[16:02] <micahg> 638 package for build deps (wow)
[16:02] <clivejo> its a brute
[16:20] <micahg> clivejo: ok, so since kgeomap isn't built anymore, the gpssync plugin isn't either, so the icons in the kipi-plugins-common file must be removed
[16:20] <micahg> the gpsimage icons that is
[16:20] <micahg> so, removing the usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps/kipi-gpsimagetag.* line in that .install file should fix it
[16:22] <micahg> hrm, that's weird, if it's part of applications, the plugin should still be built...
[16:26] <micahg> clivejo: yeah, let's not do that, I think there's a problem
[16:26]  * clivejo nods
[16:26] <clivejo> can you remove it
[16:26] <micahg> I'm not so familiar with where kgeomap moved, so it seems that it's not available for the digikam build, so it doesn't build the gpssync plugin which causes the icons to not be installed
[16:27] <micahg> clivejo: I could, and that would "fix" it, but I think that's wrong
[16:27] <clivejo> I mean remove the entire app
[16:27] <micahg> we should still be able to build the plugin if something else is building kgeomap
[16:28]  * micahg goes library hunting
[16:30] <micahg> so, it's mentioned that libkgeomap is part of application 15.04, but I can't find it in another package in wily
[16:30] <micahg> does anyone know if it's actually built
[16:30] <micahg> or rather supposed to be built
[16:52] <micahg> Riddell: do you know the answer to the above question or who I should ask?
[18:22] <Etriaph> Good article valorie
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Etriaph, got url? I'm curious.
[18:28] <Etriaph> http://tinyurl.com/p8hf8f6
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Etriaph, yup, agreed with valorie, me being a linux grandpa
[18:33] <ahoneybun> seems Jono is with the Community,
[18:33] <ahoneybun> oh well
[18:38] <Etriaph> Ultimately it does not bode well for someone like myself who is interested in taking part.
[18:38] <ahoneybun> it does not bode well for people already involved as well
[18:39] <Etriaph> For individuals who are volunteering their time to contribute, share and work together in an unprecedented spirit of collaboration to suffer this kind of slight..
[18:39] <ahoneybun> but other communities will benefit if it goes south (Debian most likely)
[18:39] <ahoneybun> its sad that it has gone this way but it needed to be public
[18:40] <Etriaph> Well, if the CC doesn't humble itself in the face of its own mandate and CoC, my sincere hope is that other community groups move off on their own (in addition to the volunteers here.)
[18:40] <Etriaph> Leave Canonical which a bunch of servers and no one building packages.
[18:41] <ahoneybun> I'm sure some people will fork if anything
[18:47] <BluesKaj> my impression fro the emails from the CC thet there are only a couple of individuals on their council who's noses are out of joint over Joathan's questions and his reaction to their response.and who obviously have Shuttleworth's ear.
[19:06] <Etriaph> If it's the reaction they can have, they need someone with more wisdom about humanity; they live in an open world, they benefit from open ideas and software, they are accountable, in the open, for all of their choices.
[19:08] <Etriaph> In my experience with Riddell, he's kind, fair and encourages others.  Are those qualities not leadership?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> Riddell, is a "Fine Leader" , there's no disputing that.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ok bbiab .. gotta check my other install
[19:27] <sgclark> Etriaph: I just uploaded a new kde-baseapps (dolphin) in about 15 mins or so (when you have time) it needs testing again :) thanks for your help!
[19:29] <ScottK> Who wants to take over the kubuntunetbook twitter account?
[19:31] <Etriaph> sgclark: roger that :D
[19:31] <mparillo> I am actually running Kubuntu on an Acer Netbook. Reasonable performance, but the keyboard is tough for me..
[19:31] <Etriaph> sgclark: If you tell me what else needs testing, based on what wasn't working, I can test other apps too
[19:32] <Etriaph> mparillo: I'm planning to install Kubuntu on my Dell laptop, hoping my experience there is as good as my desktop PC.
[19:32] <sgclark> ktp again, but it is not ready, though not sure if you ever got it working?
[19:32] <Etriaph> I use KTP
[19:32] <Etriaph> Works just fine
[19:32] <sgclark> works great on my dell laptop
[19:33] <sgclark> that is where I do all my packaging
[19:33] <Etriaph> :D
[19:33] <Etriaph> What was the issue with kdenlive
[19:33] <Etriaph> I saw it was updated
[19:35] <micahg> does anyone currently here know about libkgeomap and where it moved in packaging?
[19:38] <yofel> micahg: there's a libkgeomap source now -> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/libkgeomap.git/log/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[19:39] <sgclark> micahg: it has already been packaged: https://launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2/+sourcepub/5098778/+listing-archive-extra
[19:39] <micahg> sgclark: great, digikam needs it to build as is, is it ready for upload?
[19:40] <sgclark> ready for an upload where? these packages still need testing
[19:40] <micahg> or should I remove (comment out) the images from the gpssync plugin for the time being until that gets in?
[19:40] <sgclark> you can add that ppa as a source?
[19:40] <micahg> ah, it'll need the build-depends updated anyways, so I'll go ahead and comment up
[19:40] <sgclark> hmm
[19:40] <micahg> s/up/out/
[19:40] <kubotu> micahg meant: "ah, it'll need the build-depends outdated anyways, so I'll go ahead and comment up"
[19:40] <micahg> sigh
[19:41] <sgclark> I persoanlly would add that ppa, otherwise you are doubling your work
[19:41] <micahg> add what to where?  I'm trying to resolve digikam not building in the archive
[19:42] <micahg> when libkgeomap gets in, you can uncomment the line from the .install file and add the new library to build-depends
[19:43] <micahg> I'll show you the diff, one sec
[19:44] <sgclark> gosh I have way to many things on my plate to remember that. the ppa needs to be in the apt sources.list in the environemtn you are building in.
[19:44] <sgclark> if you are in a non pbuilder/chroot environemt be sure to reove it immediately after
[19:44] <micahg> no, I'm dealing with what's in the archive at the moment since digikam was already uploaded
[19:45] <sgclark> hm
[19:45] <micahg> I can file a bug so you don't forget if you like, but it's blocking other packages at present
[19:45] <sgclark> sigh, I know Jonathan did this, not your fault. but pft
[19:46] <sgclark> let me see if I can upload to archive, I have no rights for some packages
[19:46] <clivejo> my fault really, he was teaching me how to package and thats the one I choose
[19:46] <yofel> micahg: package should be ~ready, but it'll have to go through NEW
[19:46] <micahg> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11397383/ this is what I'll push to the packaging branch and upload
[19:47] <micahg> I'm testing now, it'll take about 30 min to build locally
[19:47] <yofel> right, rather go with that
[19:47] <sgclark> ok
[19:48] <sgclark> but then yes please file a bug and assign to me. Or it will stay that way forever.
[19:48] <sgclark> My hats are toppling over.
[19:48] <micahg> ok, will do, thanks
[19:51] <clivejo> anyone know why Im getting this error - QQmlComponent: Component is not ready
[19:51] <clivejo> -- Could NOT find QMLModule (missing:  Ubuntu.OnlineAccount) (found suitable version "0.1", minimum required is "0.1")
[20:02] <[Relic]> where's a good place to figure out if I have a bug or if what is happening is just a silly human error?
[20:05] <ScottK> [Relic]: #kubuntu
[20:06] <[Relic]> so definitely won't get an answer on it then since I tried there a few times
[20:08] <clivejo> what is the problem?
[20:10] <[Relic]> was trying to pin down 3 konsoles on 3 different desktops, but when I used remember, on reboot it 2 show up on desktop 1, but if I use 'force' for special windows settings *nothing* starts.
[20:13] <Etriaph> That's definitely something you did.
[20:13] <Etriaph> But it can be fixed.
[20:14] <Etriaph> Hopefully this is still a valid path:  ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc
[20:16] <[Relic]> valid file
[20:16] <Etriaph> Come back to #kubuntu and we'll sort it out.
[20:17] <[Relic]> Thanks
[20:18] <sgclark> clivejo: oh I would not worry about breaking things, yofel can attest to my breakage of things while learning :)
[20:18] <sgclark> we all start somewhere
[20:19] <clivejo> sgclark: I seem to be stuck!
[20:19] <sgclark> what are you working on?
[20:20] <clivejo> well Jonathan mentioned that while we building digikam we forgot about a bazaar update/patch
[20:20] <clivejo> but I thought bzr was like dead now and not used?
[20:21] <sgclark> it is, and I believe he said he merged something in that should not have
[20:21] <ScottK> It's still used here and other places.
[20:21] <ScottK> Ironically, it' the official VCS of GNU.
[20:21] <sgclark> yeah but digikam shouldn't be using it
[20:21] <clivejo> the package I uploaded built ok
[20:21] <clivejo> so Im confused as to what went wrong
[20:24] <yofel> clivejo: there was a change in bzr that was never uploaded, so jonathan took that and your package and uploaded the merge
[20:24] <yofel> which didn't build
[20:25] <clivejo> how do I merge the bzr change into my local copy?
[20:37] <micahg> sigh
[20:38] <micahg> I have at least one more fix to add
[20:38] <micahg> clivejo: I can fix up digikam for the time being (assuming there aren't too many more moles to whack)
[20:40] <clivejo> beat their heads in!
[20:46] <sgclark> Etriaph: well ktp* will not be ready today, I cannot find where sitter hid the telepathy-qt5 repo. The debian one has no sign of kubuntu branches so not touching that.
[20:50] <sgclark> dolphin should be gtg
[20:55] <Etriaph> sgclark: OK, lemme do an update.
[20:55] <Etriaph> No update found?
[20:56] <Etriaph> PPA is configured since yesterday, haven't touched it.
[20:58] <Etriaph> Oh, hold on, I got them.
[21:00] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/dolphin_after_update.png
[21:01] <sgclark> hmm
[21:01] <Etriaph> I can blow away all the config
[21:02] <Etriaph> To see what happens.
[21:05] <sgclark> Etriaph: nah I just spotted a new error.
[21:06] <Etriaph> When you have a new build, lemme know :D
[21:19] <micahg> yay, looks like digikam is almost done
[21:27] <Etriaph> sgclark: That bug bleeds over into Okular; when opening a file, the places list is the same list.
[21:29] <Etriaph> sgclark: Both are 4.14.7
[21:29] <Etriaph> (but you probably know that)
[21:30] <sgclark> you lost me at 4.14.7
[21:31] <sgclark> I am working on 15.04.1
[21:32] <micahg> sgclark: is there a better VCS for me to push the digikam commits to than https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam/
[21:35] <Etriaph> sgclark: LOL
[21:36] <sgclark> micahg: looking should be in git. but it may not be.. forgot that was one of those extragear things
[21:36] <Etriaph> sgclark: OK, so after playing with Dolphin a bit, I can add a new place but the more places I add, the longer Dolphin takes to be responsive when I load it.
[21:36] <Etriaph> sgclark: 15 secs this time before I could use it; it loaded and displayed properly.
[21:36] <sgclark> Etriaph: what is this 4.17.7 your talking about though?
[21:36] <sgclark> err 4.14.7
[21:37] <Etriaph> sgclark: Yup, from next-stage2
[21:37] <micahg> sgclark: bug filed and assigned to you to update digikam once libkgeomap gets in
[21:37] <sgclark> micahg: ty
[21:37]  * micahg hopes this works :)
[22:01] <debfx> do I need to push changes to some vcs when doing a sru of kate?
[22:03] <sgclark> debfx: possibly, which release?
[22:03] <debfx> vivid
[22:03] <Riddell> Yes to archive branch
[22:05] <sgclark> branch kubuntu_vivid_archive in debian:kdeapplications/kate I would think
[22:06] <debfx> got it, thanks
[22:07] <Etriaph> Purged the next-stage2 PPA so I can get dolphin functioning and it's quite broken.  Dolphin is: 4:15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu
[22:08] <sgclark> ok, I just uploaded another one, there is a file that does not seem to be happy anywhere I put it.
[22:08] <debfx> kubuntu_wily_archive already has 15.04. I wonder if I can get away with saying wily will be fixed when that's uploaded :)
[22:08] <Etriaph> sgclark: Should I add the next-stage2 again and try it?
[22:09] <sgclark> Etriaph: yeah wait a few, I need to see if this file is happy first before we bother testing
[22:09] <Etriaph> Roger that.
[22:09] <sgclark> debfx: it is in testing now
[22:10] <sgclark> and I am backporting to vivid which is also in testing
[22:10] <sgclark> albiet not going well
[22:15] <sgclark> Etriaph: hmm, I reproduced your bug. ok I see it is using kdelibs 4.14.7.
[22:15] <debfx> woha, creepy kubuntu-ci is harassing me on IRC. claims I broke stuff
[22:15] <sgclark> yeah it likes to do that
[22:16] <sgclark> so like what it probably needs is a merge. I can do that
[22:17] <Etriaph> sgclark: I reverted to 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3 which is vivid and the bug remains, maybe PPA purge didn't do the trick?
[22:17] <debfx> thanks
[22:17] <sgclark> Etriaph: I have a sneaky suspicion we may need to go upstream with this. I will let you know
[22:18] <Etriaph> sgclark: I think the patch for dolphin wrt places is in 15.04.1, I had the bug on watch on bko
[22:19] <sgclark> Etriaph: well 15.04.1 is what you are testing..
[22:19] <Etriaph> Oh..
[22:19] <sgclark> unless we missed the patch
[22:20] <sgclark> obviously needs more research and not ready to go live :)
[22:28] <Etriaph> Is there any way to turn on verbose console output for dolphin?
[22:31] <Etriaph> https://paste.kde.org/pyvkhp2mi
[22:50] <Etriaph> sgclark: The version on dolphin is 15.04.0; shouldn't that be 15.04.1?  next-stage2 package.
[22:50] <sgclark> it should
[22:51] <Etriaph> In 4:15.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu dolphin's 'About Dolphin' shows 15.04.0
[22:52] <Etriaph> And the KDE version still shows 4.14.7
[22:53] <Etriaph> I'm assuming this was supposed to be 5.9.0 as well?
[22:53] <sgclark> ahh ok, so the devs did not update version, nothing we can do there
[22:53] <sgclark> possible they made no changes
[22:53] <sgclark> devs as in kde devs, not us
[22:53] <Etriaph> Something must have changed, dolphin now takes about 30 sec. before the app is responsive.
[22:58] <sgclark> Etriaph: many things can breaks things including changes in kdelibs. Once I can make sure it is not packaging... I will file a bug upstream and get to the bottom of it.
[22:58] <sgclark> I need time... I am doing 50 things at once.
[22:58] <Etriaph> sgclark: I'm not rushing you friend, just trying to provide information that'll help :D
[22:59] <sgclark> ty
[23:01] <Etriaph> Gonna see if I can get this all stable now.  bbiab.
[23:43] <[Relic]> dern, Etriaph is gone already; found the bug page for my problem so it isn't just me
[23:44] <sgclark> yeah I think I found fix for our dolphin problem too
[23:46] <[Relic]> ended up trying to figure out how to manually save a session and found out you can't yet.
[23:47] <sgclark> ahhh
[23:47] <sgclark> good to know. I have been fighting with saving sessions myself.
[23:47] <sgclark> big pain to reset up my desktops / 2 monitors for all my billion projects lol
[23:48]  * genii shakes a fist at sddm
[23:49] <[Relic]> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341930
[23:49] <[Relic]> that's at least explains why I am having so much trouble
[23:50] <[Relic]> I wouldn't call it minor though
[23:54] <sgclark> hmm me either


[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[20:51] <geom> The next Ubuntu On Air will be on March 4th from 2pm-3pm, but what time zone please?
[21:14] <PaulW2U> geom: I have that session in my calendar as being 2pm GMT or UTC
[21:16] <PaulW2U> See http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/


[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[15:05] <dholbach> davidcalle, dpm: this sounds useful: https://github.com/divio/djangocms-inherit :-)
[15:06] <dpm> dholbach, nice find. I wonder why this is not in django cms proper...
[15:06] <dpm> it seems like such a basic feature...
[15:07] <dholbach> dpm, the link plugin is an external plugin
[15:08] <dholbach> dpm, and the 'divio' in the url gives it away: it's maintained by the people behind django cms, just like the link plugin :)
[15:25] <davidcalle> dholbach: nice find!


[01:06] <hdk> hi
[01:13] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, hdk
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[18:50] <Dutchman> Yes
[18:50] <jono> hey folks :-)
[18:51] <wrst> yes
[18:51] <FlyingPig> hey jono
[18:51] <jono> hey FlyingPig
[18:52] <shocm> yep
[18:59] <dshimer> Yes
[18:59] <jono> reload folks
[19:00] <jono> the video should be live
[19:00] <UbuPhillup> hi
[19:00] <netcurli> yes, we can see you
[19:00] <UbuPhillup> yes
[19:00] <FlyingPig> Yes it is
[19:00] <number22> yes
[19:00] <FlyingPig> press the other button
[19:00] <hippyjake> hi Jono!
[19:01] <FlyingPig> of course :P
[19:01] <hippyjake> :)
[19:02] <Dutchman> What change, if any, will the interim change have on the repos? Specially the PPAs.
[19:02] <dshimer> QUESTION: What exactly does Ubuntu Kylin mean to the average citizen / student / computer user in China?  Is there a realistic expectation that new users will be added to the community?
[19:03] <creptium> hi
[19:04] <hippyjake> bueller...bueller...
[19:04] <creptium> I want to ask about the adobe products on ubuntu? what can you tell us about that?
[19:04] <UbuPhillup> now it works good
[19:04] <Cracknel> creptium: put "QUESTION:" before your question
[19:05] <creptium> ok, thank you!
[19:05] <FISH_PASTEonmyfa> QUESTION: Who is Ferris and why does he need saving?
[19:06] <creptium> QUESTIONS: I want to ask about the adobe products on ubuntu? what can you tell us about that?
[19:06] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: How is Ubuntu pronounced correctly?
[19:07] <hippyjake> "U-bun-to" "O-boon-to lol"
[19:07] <Cracknel> FlyingPig: Zulu/Xhosa pronunciation: [ùɓúntʼú]; English: /uˈbʊntuː/ oo-BUUN-too (Thanks Wikipedia)
[19:07] <UbuPhillup> QUESTION: Who will translate ubuntu-touch, will it translate on launchpad from the community?
[19:07] <dshimer> QUESTION: Do you think that Kylin will have any effect on the status Linux worldwide with regard to making it a more attractive target platform for developers of hardware, their drivers and other software?
[19:09] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: How is the relationship with EA going? I'd love to see origin ported just like Steam.
[19:10] <_NerdyMe_> QUESTION: is there any "new" EA game coming to Ubuntu?
[19:10] <Damas> QUESTION: Does Ubuntu offer internships to software engineering or computer science majors?
[19:11] <creptium> Thank you!
[19:12] <number22> QUESTION: are there any plans for software center on ubuntu-touch, or is it just too early to tell
[19:12] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: What's the orange Ubuntu thing behind you?
[19:14] <dshimer> QUESTION: Does your brother have a job besides the coffee car?  What is that all about?
[19:14] <FISH_PASTEonmyfa> QUESTION: I read on planet.ubuntu.com that Dr Richard Stallman says Ubuntu has spyware - is this true?
[19:16] <uninick> QUESTION: When the support ends for 10.04 LTS, is it the end of April or the beginning of April, or the same day in April as the day 10.04 was released in back in '10? (April 16th I believe?)
[19:16] <dshimer> QUESTION: Can you talk about what your impressions of the online UDS, the feedback you have received, what changes you plan for the next one?
[19:18] <Solomon_> Why not provide support for 12 months atleast for the non - LTS version? Users should have choice to skip atleast one release.
[19:18] <Damas> QUESTION: Any plan to bring canonical online store to USA? Shipping from UK is expensive and time consuming...
[19:18] <_NerdyMe_> QUESTION: have you already tried the new Dash in Unity 7, and the results worked out for you?
[19:21] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION is ubuntu for android still in development?
[19:23] <grungekid> QUESTION: How usable is ubuntu touch today? I am dying to try it and all I use my tablet for at the moment is browsing. How good is it currently for web browsing?
[19:25] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Will Unity-Next finally have anti-aliased window corners?
[19:26] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:26] <UbuPhillup> hi
[19:26] <sebsebseb> a bit late here, but got on video first :d
[19:26] <sebsebseb> talking about Richard Stallman :d
[19:26] <sebsebseb> I saw a talk last Thursday, and talked to him a little bit after :d
[19:27] <linuxDoug> hey seb
[19:27] <sebsebseb> linuxDoug: hi
[19:28] <sebsebseb> meeting Richard Stallman take the  oppertunity
[19:28] <sebsebseb> if you get it :)
[19:29] <sebsebseb> to people here in general :) if you haven't already
[19:29] <sebsebseb> I think
[19:32] <wardduncan> how is the BBQing coming along?
[19:32] <UbuPhillup> wardduncan: use QUESTION:
[19:33] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Who's that, that I can see in the background?
[19:33] <sebsebseb> heh heh
[19:33] <Solomon_> its the mirror
[19:33] <sebsebseb> Solomon_: oh is it?
[19:33] <wardduncan> QUESTION: how is the BBQing coming along?
[19:34] <sebsebseb> jono: no wasn't a troll
[19:34] <Dutchman> TOPIC: After the fallout from the MIR announcement and "reveal", does the community have any opportunity to get more say in how these things are handled in the future?
[19:35] <jono> bbqpad.com
[19:35] <b1ackcr0w> QUESTION: what was the thinking behind making Gnome an official ubuntu edition when kubuntu has been disciociated?
[19:36] <UbuPhillup> QUESTION: Is there a plan when mir will land in ubuntu ? 13.10 14.04
[19:36] <micah2> QUESTION: Is there any way to see what non-official apps for ubuntu touch people are developing? I'm working on a pandora client, and am curious if I'm just creating another duplicate project.
[19:37] <jdrab> QUESTION: don't you thing that users will be overwhelmed with scopes if they would like to search using just a few of them (if there will be 100scopes) ? how inteligent will be the dash? will there be something like official keywords for example for searching just wikipedia scope "wiki: greek history"
[19:37] <karpatil> QUESTION: what is the reason for the low number of sales from the paid apps?
[19:38] <netcurli> micah2: there is a wiki page where some apps are linked: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Apps
[19:38] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: GNOME 3.8 apparnatly being released today, are you excited or what do you think of this, even though you use Unity and 13.04 will be on GNOME 3.6
[19:38] <b1ackcr0w> NOTE: couldn't think of the right word
[19:40] <netcurli> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111350780270925540549
[19:40] <UbuPhillup> QUESTION: Has ubuntu a credits page where all the developers and all people who contributed are listed?
[19:41] <wardduncan> micah2: pithos is a pandora client that I use
[19:42] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: will be ubuntu touch be able to run android apps?
[19:43] <micah2> wardduncan: I use pithos on my desktop and love it. I'm getting started on a client written in QML that will work for touch devices
[19:44] <wardduncan> That would be great.....thanks for straightening me out.  Good luck micah2......
[19:44] <UbuPhillup> Steam4Linux: i think no not native
[19:44] <hippyjake> QUESTION it sounds like the new Dash will be a competitor to google. What do you think?
[19:44] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What do you think about the Humble Bundle having a bundle only for Windows at times like once again now with THQ. unless you include the included music as well.  What about ANdroid only saying that, which they are also doing at the moment.
[19:45] <b1ackcr0w> Question: have you had any recent thoughts about the "on ramp" for non developers into the Ubuntu community?
[19:46] <karpatil> thanks!
[19:46] <micah2> QUESTION: I've never participated in an open source project before. When is the best time to put source code up on github? (I'm not too far along yet) Recommendations on which license to chose?
[19:47] <Guest12345> question: Who is the greatest horseman? :)
[19:47] <dshimer> QUESTION: I love the HUD, does it show up anywhere besides Ubuntu and Unity?
[19:48] <UbuPhillup> okey
[19:50] <number22> QUESTION: will there be a ubuntu-touch installer, something like wubi, just connect device and click flash
[19:50] <micah2> QUESTION: Is there a timeline for when guidelines for making QML apps fit well into the convergence story will be available?
[19:50] <UbuPhillup> contribut+
[19:52] <d0od_irc> QUESTION: Now for the important question - when will the Raring t-shirts be hitting the Ubuntu store? ;)
[19:52] <sebsebseb> d0od_irc: Here's an important question :d  when are you closing down OMGUbuntu JOKE :d
[19:53] <MikeCriggs> I'm writing an application for Ubuntu Touch to sync Google contacts. Is this already a planned feature?
[19:53] <d0od_irc> and if it's a really good app give me a ping - OMG! Ubuntu! is always happy to publicise new apps to attract devs :)
[19:54] <UbuPhillup> QUESTION: there are any plan to change any of the preinstallted apps in ubuntu
[19:54] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: How many viewers do you currently have?
[19:54] <Cracknel> BOO!
[19:55] <tedg> jono, THERES SOMEONE BEHIND YOU!!!!
[19:55] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Are you going to play guitar over your hiccups ?
[19:55] <techman246> Jono Will ubuntu touch have magnifyer and screen reader accessibility?
[19:55] <b1ackcr0w> micah2:  http://www.fsf.org.uk/ check out the advice the FSF have to offer. they really are the experts on licencing
[19:55] <tedg> tedg, np
[19:55] <tedg> jono, np :-)
[19:55] <jdrab> jono: for a while hold your breath and take some deep breaths after that
[19:56] <hippyjake> ROTFL
[19:56] <linuxDoug> QUESTION:  You've answered a lot of questions that we've asked, do you have any questions for us??
[19:56] <FlyingPig> GUITAR +1
[19:56] <valyum> water for hiccups :-)
[19:56] <techman246> no
[19:56] <sebsebseb> yeah guitar if can, might cure the hiccups :d
[19:56] <jdrab> :D
[19:56] <UbuPhillup> GUITAR
[19:56] <d0od_irc> i'm totally going to cut these hiccups together too some heavy trance
[19:56] <jdrab> yeah guitar hickups!
[19:57] <wardduncan> YES!
[19:57] <FlyingPig> then wake him up :P
[19:57] <dshimer> Hold your breath until the second you are about to pass out. Supposedly it reboots your lungs.
[19:57] <b1ackcr0w> best cure for hiccups is Tonic water, it contains quinine which calms your phrenic nerve
[19:57] <uninick> I still miss LUG Radio, BTW! ;)
[19:57] <techman246> good idea
[19:58] <FlyingPig> jono: I never thougt there was anything wrong ;)
[19:58] <techman246> yes
[19:58] <jdrab> and then slowly take deep breaths
[19:58] <b1ackcr0w> i think they need to be publicised better, but in general - yeah
[19:58] <jdrab> some..
[19:58] <karpatil> yep
[19:58] <MikeCriggs_> Does a bear shit in the woods?
[19:58] <techman246> accept accessibility
[19:58] <micah2> Pretty much, I want to see my mother in law run Ubuntu.
[19:59] <UbuPhillup> QUESTION: whats the record of watching peaple to you in ubuntu-on-air
[19:59] <MikeCriggs_> One question.
[19:59] <uninick> Does Gwibber work for you?
[19:59] <uninick> ;)
[19:59] <Solomon_> Countries where Ubuntu phone will be released?
[19:59] <techman246> will the qt environment work with compiz?
[19:59] <b1ackcr0w> question: ever thought of doing a cover billy joe royal's "Hush" - saw the black crowes do it the other night awesome
[19:59] <UbuPhillup> thanks
[20:00] <dshimer> I convert non tech folks. Useable is better. I like though that you are concerned about openness and meeting concerns
[20:00] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: When will Mark reveal the next surprise ?
[20:00] <pemibo> QUESTION: What do you think about the campain of Geary on Indiegogo?
[20:00] <b1ackcr0w> you should!
[20:00] <MikeCriggs_> Do you plan on incorporating Google contacts sync into UTouch?
[20:00] <techman246> yay i use enhanced zoom desktop on unity
[20:00] <dshimer> UUPC in 29:00 minutes
[20:00] <b1ackcr0w> tonic water!
[20:01] <jdrab> OMG WHO IS  THAT CREEPY GIRL BEHIND YOU?
[20:01] <techman246> i agree
[20:01] <UbuPhillup> QUESTION:  What do you think about the campain on kickstarter from openshot
[20:01] <techman246> LOL
[20:01] <UbuPhillup> bye
[20:01] <wardduncan> question: how is ububntu tv coming?
[20:01] <pemibo> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client
[20:01] <Solomon_> Asia?
[20:01] <valyum> bye :)
[20:01] <UbuPhillup> thanks a lot
[20:01] <d0od_irc> Chow Bacon!
[20:01] <jdrab> take care, ty
[20:01] <dshimer> Thanks
[20:01] <netcurli> thanks
[20:01] <jono> thanks everyone!
[20:01] <techman246> THANKS
[20:01] <UbuPhillup> thnks
[20:01] <eldred> bye bye
[20:01] <Solomon_> thnx
[20:01] <b1ackcr0w> lol - "bye - hic"