[02:25] <glenrock> i have a script that i want to run as root during the boot process to connect to my vpn.  how do i get that to autostart and run as root?
[02:25] <zruty> Weather Update not working... it is a pity: I was enjoying that. hat can I do? It is not finding any city any more, it seems?
[02:26] <holstein> zruty: test the network connection.. test the server that is trying to be contacted. specify city by zip
[02:26] <holstein> glenrock: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88589/run-command-at-boot-as-root
[02:26] <glenrock> thanks holstein
[02:27] <holstein> glenrock: http://askubuntu.com/questions/290099/how-to-run-a-script-in-boot-as-root
[02:29] <zruty> holstein: I am trying by ZIP but that probably won't work since I am not in the US. How can I check the server that is being tried to be contacted?
[02:30] <holstein> zruty: ping it
[02:31] <holstein> zruty: or, if it literally just stopped working, and it always has worked, maybe just give it some time and see if it comes back up
[02:33] <zruty> holstein: Yeah I am fine with pinging it but I do not know which server is being tried to be contacted, so what to ping? BTW, It stopped working a few days ago already. How long should I wait...?
[02:34] <holstein> zruty: as long as you want.. you can also try adding the applet back, or testing with another user to rule out your user config.. otherwise, give more details on what exactly it is you are using
[02:43] <zruty> holstein: I have a computer at work where it stopped working, and a computer at home where it stopped working. I use xubuntu 12:04 LTS, and the applet called Weather Update stopped working  about a week ago. It says 'No Data'. I removed the applet from the bar and re-added it; it seems unable to find whatever city I try to search for. The Find button greys out for about 2 seconds, but no city is found, it just keeps showing 'Searching...' after the button comes
[02:45] <holstein> zruty: states that that had broken in the past with an upgrade
[02:45] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875487
[03:00] <zruty> holstein: Thanks! Looking into it, reading....
[07:04] <akis63> hi all. is there any way to record any browser's activity (web pages visited) using a stand alone program (out of browser's history)?
[08:23] <akis63> how can i linked a user's /dir to my admin account so i can monitor this /dir activity? is that possible?
[11:03] <akis63> hi all. does anyone know why 'activity log manager' cannot record browsers activity?
[11:30] <bekks> akis63: I wouldnr even expect that? :)
[11:36] <akis63> bekks: what do you mean?
[11:37] <bekks> I would not expect any "activity monitor" to control my brwosing history - I'd instantly delete those software.
[11:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> I take it zeitgeist is not your friend, bekks?
[11:43] <bekks> Poisoned_Dragon: Correct.
[11:43] <cfhowlett> akis63, if you insist on surveilling your system users' browser habits, you might want to ask how in #ubuntu-server ...
[11:46] <akis63> cfhowlett:thanks. donw already.
[11:46] <akis63> cfhowlett:thanks. done already.
[12:14] <neo2013> ola
[12:14] <neo2013> Currently installing Xubuntu
[12:14] <neo2013> :)
[12:15] <neo2013> I'm hoping it will fix my gfx problem
[12:15] <bekks> It isnt windows, it will not. :)
[12:15] <cfhowlett> neo2013, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras    to get all those tasty codecs
[12:21] <neo2013> Thanks, Bekks I was using Linux Mint
[12:21] <neo2013> cfhowlett thanks
[12:25] <cfhowlett> neo2013, be aware that gfx issues usually revolve around the gfx configuarations, i.e. Nvidia specific settings, etc.  Switching distros probably won't fix that without some attention on your part.  BUT if the issue was that you lacked the proper codecs ...
[15:37] <Galatasaray> who use chromium browser
[15:37] <baizon> !ask y Galatasaray
[15:37] <baizon> !ask | Galatasaray
[15:46] <Galatasaray> how to disable hidden customize and control panel in chromium
[16:27] <ozberk> guys can I install the whiskeymenu applet to xubuntu 12.04
[16:28] <koegs> ozberk: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/whisker-menu-fast-application-launcher.html
[16:29] <ozberk> thnx
[16:47] <ozberk> this is all bout my English exam ( well I'm not an studying angineerin but still it has my emotions :D ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3EPPYbn44
[16:52] <neo2013> ola
[16:53] <schreber> Does anyone experience thunar closing/crashing at random recently ?
[16:53] <neo2013> anyone got experience fn keys not working on  Laptop?
[16:55] <neo2013> can't adjust the damn brightness
[16:56] <schreber> this might be helpful - http://askubuntu.com/questions/287291/how-do-i-get-the-brightness-control-working-on-an-hp-6735s
[17:00] <neo2013> thanks
[17:01] <ozberk> guys I'm using xubuntu and I have a strange problem. On the desktop right click menu opens a bit late
[17:05] <TheSheep> ozberk: I had that!
[17:06] <ozberk> TheSheep: did you slove
[17:06] <TheSheep> ozberk: after I removed the application menu from the panel, xubuntu was trying to re-generate the menu every time I opened it
[17:06] <TheSheep> ozberk: I added the application menu back to the panel
[17:06] <TheSheep> ozberk: and now it caches it properly again
[17:07] <ozberk> The Sheep I just tried and didn't worked
[17:08] <TheSheep> must be something else then
[17:09] <ozberk> it's also too mcuh laggy
[17:10] <ozberk> I guess xubuntu for the low spec pc'-s am I right ?
[17:10] <ozberk> I just updated the x.org
[17:11] <ozberk> look I know that my gpu is not powerfull enoıugh but
[17:11] <ozberk> it's cool with the 2D
[17:11] <schreber> not necessarily for low spec. machines but for people wanting to get work done rather than deal with flashy issues or randomness of other DEs
[17:11] <glenrock> ozberk: see if this helps:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/96216/right-click-on-xubuntu-home-screen-is-slow-is-it-normal
[17:12] <TheSheep> ozberk: what graphics card drivers are you using?
[17:12] <ozberk> Asus EEE PC R 101 I gonna give a link
[17:12] <TheSheep> ozberk: not what hardware, which driver
[17:13] <ozberk> x.org
[17:13] <ozberk> for intel
[17:13] <TheSheep> ozberk: because if it fell back to the vesa drivers, it's normal to be slow
[17:13] <TheSheep> xorg is the graphical environment
[17:13] <ozberk> how can I see which driver do I using :S
[17:15] <elfy> ozberk: I found that stopping the right click menu from using icons speeded it up a bit when I had the same issue, though I'd follow TheSheep and the graphic card thing first
[17:16] <ozberk> elfy I get it but  I need to know  which fdriver do I using now
[17:16] <TheSheep> ozberk: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/04/24/tip-how-to-check-which-video-driver-is-your-x-server-using/
[17:16] <xubuntu307> ciao a tutti
[17:18] <ozberk> paste.ubuntu.com/6371619/
[17:19] <ozberk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6371619/
[17:19] <TheSheep> you are using the intel driver, that's good
[17:20] <TheSheep> did you try disabling display compositing in  settings manager -> window manager tweaks -> compositing ?
[17:20] <ozberk> nope
[17:20] <TheSheep> that can help at the cost of not displaying shadows and transparent windows
[17:21] <schreber> Anyone w/ a similar Thunar experience or is it truly random?
[17:21] <ozberk> I'm using compositing without all of those shadows accutaly
[17:21] <TheSheep> schreber: similar to what?
[17:22] <TheSheep> schreber: oh, closing
[17:22] <TheSheep> schreber: check your ~/.xsessionerrors
[17:22] <elfy> schreber: I've not noticed anything like that
[17:22] <schreber> okay I'll do that
[17:22] <ozberk> ok
[17:23] <ozberk> I did that
[17:23] <ozberk> its looks like better than before
[17:24] <schreber> not seeing anything out of the ordinary as far as I can tell at least.
[17:25] <TheSheep> schreber: you can also try killing thunar, starting it from a terminal and then making it crash to see the messages
[17:25] <schreber> okay
[17:26] <TheSheep> but if the crashing is random, it can take a while
[17:26] <TheSheep> just make sure you kill all thunar processes before starting it in a terminal
[17:26] <TheSheep> otherwise it doesn't run, just opens a new window in the already runnung thunar
[17:27] <schreber> no changes to the error log
[17:29] <TheSheep> schreber: no, the errors should now appear in the terminal in which thunar runs...
[17:29] <ozberk> how can I set a quit message in the IRC channel
[17:30] <TheSheep> schreber: open a terminal and do "killall Thunar; thunar"
[17:30] <elfy> ozberk: depends on the client - but quite often people don't want to see them :)
[17:30] <TheSheep> then make it crash somehow...
[17:32] <schreber> well I did say it was random, but I'll give it a go
[17:32] <ozberk> wow I did it :D
[17:33] <schreber> I'll just have to be more mindful of it when it crashes next
[17:33]  * ozberk says sorry for party rocking :D
[17:48] <n00bie> hi all
[19:52] <teratoma> how can i mount my android mtp device in Xubuntu ?
[20:01] <TheSheep> teratoma: it should appear under devices when you connect it
[20:01] <TheSheep> teratoma: in thunar
[20:12] <Nok> Hi all, I have a desktop with a nvidia 9800GT. I installed yesterday xubuntu 13.10. After the fresh installation, i go to additional driver to install propriatary driver (I want to play steam game for linux) It says no driver available.
[20:12] <Nok> Sorry for my english
[21:17] <teratoma> TheSheep: I don't see it
[21:19] <teratoma> TheSheep: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5c31922732282a609bc8
[21:20] <TheSheep> teratoma: pardon?
[21:20] <teratoma> < TheSheep> teratoma: it should appear under devices when you connect it
[21:20] <TheSheep> teratoma: in thunar
[21:21] <TheSheep> in the side pane
[21:21] <TheSheep> there is a heading "devices"
[21:21] <TheSheep> it should appear there
[21:22] <teratoma> nope. not there.  it was browseble in ubuntu raring nautilus.  this is not my first rodeo!
[21:22] <teratoma> maybe ill see what a live ubuntu cd thinks
[21:22] <TheSheep> teratoma: what version of ubuntu?
[21:23] <teratoma> TheSheep: i am running saucy
[21:23] <teratoma> xubuntu
[21:23] <TheSheep> it was added to xubuntu in 13.04 I think
[21:23] <TheSheep> teratoma: does lsusb in terminal show it?
[21:25] <teratoma> TheSheep: yes.  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7e9ee7f6cf669eac9668
[21:25] <teratoma> i mean no
[21:25] <teratoma> ack
[21:26] <teratoma> lsusb: yes  . mtp-detect:  no
[21:26] <teratoma> guess its not a mtp device and im silly
[21:26] <teratoma> so why cant i see it in thunar ?
[21:27] <TheSheep> teratoma: what version of adroid?
[21:27] <teratoma> 4.0.4
[21:27] <TheSheep> teratoma: also, make sure you enabled it in settings in the android device
[21:27] <teratoma> i sure did.
[21:27] <TheSheep> 4.x should be mtp
[21:28] <teratoma> yep
[21:28] <TheSheep> make sure the screen is not locked
[21:28] <teratoma> screen not locked
[21:28] <teratoma> the phone is rooted.  would that affect the ability to mount ?
[21:28] <TheSheep> should work out of the box without any additional stuff
[21:28] <TheSheep> no
[21:29] <teratoma> right.  thats why im confused!
[21:29] <TheSheep> that's stock xubuntu?
[21:30] <teratoma> yes
[21:30] <teratoma> installed from iso image
[21:33] <TheSheep> I have no ideas
[21:34] <TheSheep> it worked for me in 13.04 and now works in 13.10
[21:45] <dont-panic> what would cause multiple .Xauthority files in ~/
[21:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> multiple?
[21:45] <bekks> dont-panic: ".Xauthority" is one single filename.
[21:46] <dont-panic> here's what I have
[21:46] <dont-panic> ['.Xauthority.FFN01W', '.Xauthority.LNEK2W', '.Xauthority.2BBG0W', '.Xauthority.WU113W', '.Xauthority.K1OU2W', '.Xauthority']
[21:46] <bekks> You only have one ".Xauthority" then.
[21:47] <dont-panic> sure, but I have multiple files containing .Xauthority... this is what I'm curious about
[21:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> are they backups?
[21:47] <dont-panic> I can vim into them and check, but I didn't make them manually
[21:48] <dont-panic> theres nothing in any of them but the original
[21:49] <dont-panic> .Xauthority files are generated by xauth, but a system should only have one... this isn't the first xubuntu system I've come accross that has had this going on
[21:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> dont-panic, http://askubuntu.com/questions/299127/why-do-i-have-so-many-xauthority-files-in-my-home-directory
[21:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> google is your friend. :)
[21:52] <dont-panic> Well that's a whole bunch of sillyness
[21:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> wasn't helpful?
[22:00] <dont-panic> No, it was helpful, just silly
[22:55] <arpad2> desktop doesn't start if I login
[22:56] <ReaganomicsLambo> Guys I have a question. Sometimes when I'm using 12.04 and I'm typing, my keyboard starts going crazy. It happens to me when I'm in the middle of coding, or if I have skype in the background, or I'm on IRC. For example, I could be hitting the backspace key and all of a sudden I would get an M. If I hit an arrow key, I'd end up getting a U or something. The only way to fix it is to close the app. Anyone know why this happens?
[23:04] <teratoma> sounds like chemtrails
[23:07] <dupin> I can not set panel transparency
[23:07] <dupin> I don´t even  ahve option for that is it strange or what
[23:18] <dupin> http://www.pohrani.com/f/1G/Hs/4S1a6Kc9/50.png
[23:20] <dupin> I know it is trivia but still i need help
[23:25] <brainwash> dupin: you need to enable the built-in compositor, see http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/wmtweaks#compositor
[23:34] <dupin> brainwash: but I have to install window manager tweaks first do I
[23:34] <brainwash> dupin: it's part of the default window manager, xfwm4
[23:35] <brainwash> is the entry missing in the settings manager?
[23:35] <brainwash> you can also open a terminal window and run "xfwm4-tweaks-settings"
[23:37] <dupin> brainwash:  tnx that works just fine  :)
[23:38] <brainwash> great :)
[23:38] <dupin> tnx again good night  :)
[23:38] <brainwash> good night
[23:41] <jax23> hi
[23:41] <jax23> need help for "barry"
[23:41] <jax23> anyone?
[23:43] <genii> jax23: The Blackberry backup system for linux?
[23:44] <genii> jax23: What about it?
[23:44] <jax23> yes
[23:45] <jax23> i display this message: "controller: requested mode not supported"
[23:45] <jax23> suggests?
[23:46] <genii> jax23: Is your Blackberry unlocked? That message usually comes because the company or ISP that has control of the handset pushed a security policy for it not to connect to the computer by USB
[23:49] <genii> I am leaving soon, but may be able to assist you further tomorrow when I return.
[23:50] <jax23> ok thank you very much...
[23:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> wow, that's evil
[23:51] <genii> Poisoned_Dragon: Many companies do this when the phone belongs to them. Also they can restrict pretty much anything else on the phone too, if they want, by pushing security policies out to them over-the-air
[23:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I know that. It just so big brother.
[23:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I had an old Nokia 3G flip phone. Had to reset the software in order to dump the t-mobile security settings.
[23:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> But,I digress. This is off-topic.
[23:55] <amandaparker> I installed XFCE on a regular unity machine (12.04) and when I got rid of Ubuntu Desktop (I was in taskel installing LAMP stuff) I can no longer boot to a gui.  What's the equivalent of the old dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[23:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh gosh. I don't even know.
[23:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> If I was in your shoes, I would have just installed Xubuntu.
[23:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Less work.


[00:33] <loswedseded> upgraded to 23.04 and encountered an error: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 6.2.0-20-generic (x86_64)
[00:33] <loswedseded> don't know how to go on
[00:33] <loswedseded> dpkg: error processing package linux-image-6.2.0-20-generic (--configure):
[00:33] <loswedseded>  installed linux-image-6.2.0-20-generic package post-installation script subproc
[00:33] <loswedseded> ess returned error exit status 1
[00:34] <loswedseded> am I gonna break something if I poweroff the computer>?
[01:44] <hatesec> Hello. I have been working for 24 hours trying to solve an ssh problem. I can't login to my remote server -- permission denied (publickey). I've followed every guide for generating key pairs, adding the new key contents to authorized_keys, every combination of options in sshd_config, and more. Even when I enable password authentication, it refuses my connection with (publickey). It's almost as if my server is not responding
[01:44] <hatesec> to any of the changes I made. This, after restarting sshd.service and rebooting the server
[01:46] <hatesec> I verified file and dir permissions, they are correct. In the past, I connected to the server just fine. That was months ago, though, and I've since reinstalled Windows on my work computer. I thought it might be related to reinstalling Windows and it not trusting my machine, but I still can't login from Windows or a linux laptop. Both are denied (publickey). I am at a loss
[01:56] <Max-P> hatesec: refused pubkey is a pretty explicit error, you're likely not providing the right keys or the server is not reading those keys (or refusing to)
[01:57] <Max-P> Make sure .ssh is 0700 and authorized_keys is 0600, and that both are owned by the user you're connecting as
[02:08] <hatesec> Thanks, I'm in
[02:14] <tcurdt> how can I set group of systemd service? I tried [Service] Group=foo ... but it seems like the process still creates files as root:root instead of root:foo ... I have the feeling it might not be that simple
[02:40] <Church> Did something change in jammy wrt debhelper? dh_install --sourcedir / worked fine in focal to package up /opt but fails now in jammy.
[02:40] <Church> Seems it doesn't like having the sourcedir be root?
[02:44] <Bashing-om> Church: Changelog does not show any recent changes: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/d/debhelper/debhelper_13.6ubuntu1/changelog .
[02:45] <Church> Hmm... well that's interesting then
[02:45] <Church> So why would it fail then...
[02:45] <029AAGS47> hello
[02:51] <Church> Since I repeatedly get "dh_install: error: Invalid --sourcedir - must not be empty nor /"
[02:51] <Church> Guess I'll go open up dh_install's source
[04:24] <Macwinner> on my jammy boxes, I notice dmesg entries about xfs fileystem being remounted.. when I look at syslog, it all seems to be coinciding with "Apr 26 09:28:40 server1 systemd[1]: Reloading."
[04:24] <Macwinner> what would cause systemd to reload?  is it some automatic process?
[04:25] <Macwinner> oh.. nm, I remember now.. i called systemctl daemon-reload
[06:42] <akik> i can move a window by pressing the super key + mouse, but how do i resize a windows with that method?
[06:42] <akik> using gnome
[06:48] <akik> there's resize in super + right click but that's awkward
[06:51] <SteelRose> Hi all!
[06:52] <SteelRose> Pending updated of "telegram-desktop" snap
[06:52] <SteelRose> Close the app to avoid disruptions (12 days left)
[06:52] <SteelRose> but: # snap refresh
[06:52] <SteelRose> All snaps up to date.
[06:52] <SteelRose> any ideas? Thanks!
[06:53] <toddc> SteelRose: close the app and wait while it updates then reopen app
[06:54] <SteelRose> toddc: will it update automatically?
[06:54] <SteelRose> or should I do something?
[06:55] <toddc> SteelRose: snap are small containers and will update when closed but take a few minutes   if snap refresh and or store show updateed then the snap should be already downloaded and installed so nothing else
[06:56] <SteelRose> toddc: will I see any indication that tells me "the snap is updated" or similar? or is it blind trust? :-)
[06:57] <toddc> SteelRose: you can always check the snap version before and after if you want to
[06:57] <SteelRose> toddc: how?
[06:58] <toddc> SteelRose: snap list
[06:59] <SteelRose> telegram-desktop     4.8.1-2-g382558671          4762   latest/stable    telegram-desktop✓     -
[06:59] <SteelRose> so I guess I'm all set
[06:59] <SteelRose> thanks
[07:00] <toddc> most snaps also list the version somewhere in a the gui snap also but list is a better way --- great easy!!
[07:11] <toddc> SteelRose: if you do not update the snap it kill it in 13 days then replace and restart so warnings are not a big deal
[07:12] <toddc> it will kill and update and restart it
[07:16] <paul424> Hello , my build system is on focal -- Ubuntu 20 . Now I need relatively new libpython-dev -- best would be 3.11 but 3.10 would also go. What to do  ? The https://packages.ubuntu.com/ doesn't list such high versions , only libpython-3.9 which doesn';t work for me
[07:21] <SteelRose> One more question: every time my Ubuntu 20.04 LTS gets a new kernel-related update, I must manually sign some kernel module for ESET to work... and it sucks. Is there any way to automate the process? Thanks
[07:23] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/libpython3-dev → Kinetic provides 3.10. As Ubuntu makes heavily use of Python I would not recommend merging old and new in your focal. Parallel setup a virtual machine (qemu/kvm), use a deebootstrapped minimal version or so.
[07:23] <tarzeau> paul424: what hinders you upgrading to ubuntu 22.04 ?
[07:23] <paul424> I am using snapcraft -- core20
[07:23] <paul424> core20 == Ubuntu 20
[07:23] <tarzeau> SteelRose: disable signing?
[07:23] <paul424> and upgrading to higher core, means rewritign the snapcraft.yaml file
[07:24] <tarzeau> paul424: getting rid of snapcraft/snap?
[07:24] <paul424> tarzeau, you don't undersand I AM prepering a package FOR SNAPCRAFT that way, and I am asking on it's behalf
[07:25] <SteelRose> tarzeau: ESET is the one asking for the module to be signed...
[07:28] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42991501/snapcraft-custom-ld-library-path → You can provide your own libs, but it would be more difficult. Why do you need the newer library? Can you probably write a wrapper?
[07:35] <SteelRose> SecureBoot, enabled or disabled on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS?
[07:44] <paul424> koffeinfriedhof, I really need to go for a bus sorry
[07:50] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: No problem. I'm not waiting for a solution^^
[07:52] <vm1> hello
[07:54] <tarzeau> paul424: ah sorry, now i understand
[07:55] <tarzeau> SteelRose: yes secureboot disabled, no more signing needed
[07:55] <vm1> hi
[08:06] <vm3> hi
[08:06] <vm1> hi
[08:49] <iomari891> greetings: xscreensaver not locking under wayland
[08:57] <floown> Hi. I want to switch to X11, because I can not have Virtualbox VM integrated on Ubuntu
[08:58] <floown> I have no problem with Kubuntu, witch is un X11 by default
[08:59] <floown> On Ubuntu's login, I don't see what option I can use to
[09:07] <floown> I don't have gear wheel
[09:13] <paul424_> It's me again , the guy which had problem with python3.8-dev on ubuntu 20
[09:13] <paul424_> what were  your advices  ?
[09:22] <floown> Ok, Ubuntu does not works in X11 too, in a Virtualbox vm
[09:22] <floown> back to Kubuntu
[09:22] <floown> problem with integrated mode
[09:47] <ogra> SteelRose, "snap changes" (and "snap change $ID") is your friend to find out if some update happened in the background
[09:47] <ogra> and in general i'd recommend talking a look at "snap help", there is a lot of features people often do not know about
[09:55] <SteelRose> ogra: thanks!
[09:55] <floown> (I said integrated mode, I would say steamless mode)
[09:56] <floown> The virtualbox add-ons is installed, sure
[09:57]  * ogra thinks steamless mode is a general thing today ... must have been several decades ago that computers have been run by steam 😛
[09:58] <ogra> (i think yu mean "seamelss" 🙂 )
[09:58] <ogra> bah ,,, seamless
[09:58]  * ogra can't type
[10:04] <floown> Oh, yes
[10:08] <floown> I have reinstall the add-on, and restart completely the vm, uncheck the Nested Paging before, but it's the same
[11:38] <changox> Good morning
[12:08] <phablet> zssss
[12:21] <francisv-local> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 22.04 and I would like to install SRT 1.5.1-1.  If I do `apt search srt`, I cannot see anything about 1.5.  I check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/srt and it seams that it is available, but not for Jammy?
[12:21] <francisv-local> Any recommendation on how to install it?
[12:22] <ravage> compile it yourself
[12:23] <ravage> 22.04 only offers 1.4.4
[12:26] <francisv-local> or use Lunar Lobster
[12:26] <ravage> sur
[12:26] <ravage> e
[12:26] <iconoclasthero> should one use an anti-virus with ubuntu?
[12:26] <francisv-local> I will try to compile it
[12:27] <francisv-local> thank you ravage for confirming that it is not in Jammy
[12:38] <paul424> hello, hello how do I solve my problem with python-3.9-dev ? That's the highest possible version on Ubuntu 20.0. And I need higher version for my game project
[12:38] <paul424> I use snapcraft core20
[12:39] <SteelRose> Hi again! I hit another wall with DNS configuration on 18.04 LTS... https://dpaste.org/Kvywj <-- can someone please shed some light and help? Thanks!
[12:40] <paul424> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/pybind11-availability/34789/6
[12:43] <paul424> are there 3rd party repos for that ?
[12:44] <paul424> on opensuse there is no problem to get homebrew 3rd party libraries
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:52] <lunatiq> How do I find how what eidtor is being used by crontab -e
[12:52] <lunatiq> It's usually nano but this time is diff
[12:52] <lunatiq> and I don't know how to exit
[12:52] <lunatiq> It's not vim
[12:58] <[twisti]> i have an ubuntu lts 22 headless, which i picked because at the time, our wsl install did not support gui apps. now that it does, can i retrofit this install to be able to run desktop/gui apps ?
[13:03] <iconoclasthero> [twisti]: you can just pick a DE and install it.
[13:04] <leftyfb> [twisti]: try asking in #windows-wsl
[13:04] <[twisti]> iconoclasthero: so just `sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop` ?
[13:04] <iconoclasthero> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[13:05] <iconoclasthero> that is one...
[13:05] <iconoclasthero> that will give you GNOME
[13:05] <leftyfb> [twisti]: iconoclasthero that's is not all that is needed with WSL
[13:05] <[twisti]> leftyfb: im good on the wsl side
[13:06] <[twisti]> a new install works fine, i just dont want to move all my settings and whatnot so i would prefer to upgrade the one im using now
[13:06] <iconoclasthero> if they're user settings, just preserve your /home
[13:06] <iconoclasthero> if they're system settings, you can pick out the things from /etc and migrate them to the new install
[13:07] <iconoclasthero> so if i want my mpd settings, i'd move my /etc/mpd.conf to the new install...
[13:07] <iconoclasthero> but most of the user settings should be in /home
[13:07] <iconoclasthero> and i don't know much about WSL so i'll defer on that
[13:07] <leftyfb> [twisti]: did you enable systemd?
[13:08] <leftyfb> on the WSL side
[13:09] <paul424> koffeinfriedhof, what do you advise me to do then ?
[13:19] <[twisti]> leftyfb: not explicitly, but theres like a thousand things installed
[13:20] <leftyfb> [twisti]: this is why I suggested going to #windows-wsl. There's more to it than just installing gnome.
[13:22] <[twisti]> well, i followed all the instructions for wsl and it all worked fine and i just wanted to have it work for my former headless instance too, which after installing what iconoclasthero said it did, so what would i be asking them ?
[13:23] <leftyfb> [twisti]: if you're all working now, then it sounds like you did this install recently and systemd might have been enabled by default. It wasn't in the past.
[13:24] <[twisti]> i dont think its enabled now
[13:24] <koffeinfriedhof> paul424: depends on what you exactly need. If you need a full 3.10 working environment you must provide it yourself in the snap environment. See https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/why-isnt-there-a-python-snap-with-the-latest-version/32941 why it is how it is
[13:42] <francisv-local> I have a machine running Ubuntu 22.04 with this DeckLink Quad 2 PCI card https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink/techspecs/W-DLK-30.  I am trying to find the drivers for it in launchpad.net but cannot find anything related to 'decklink' https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=decklink.  Do you know if someone has package those drivers somewhere else launchpad.net?
[13:42] <paul424> koffeinfriedhof, oki many thanks for the reply
[13:51] <realguy> Hello, my raspberryPi (Ubuntu 22.04 LTS) Shows the following message: `9 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps` why do I need ESM subscription for a release that is fully supported and not end-of life? I thought esm upgrades are to support older ubuntu versions.
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntupro | realguy
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> !pro | realguy
[13:53] <realguy> I'm aware of that, but 22.04 is supported why do I need pro? Pro is to support older Ubuntu versions.
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> realguy: there's still a bug in critical process going on that right now
[13:53] <realguy> 22.04 is not old 16.04 is for 16.04 I need pro I got that, fine but I don't understand why I need pro for current versions.
[13:54] <WaV> francisv-local: It should work out of the box from what I'm reading, without the need for additional kernel modules/drivers. There is a desktop video software package on the website you linked that adds additional support for Linux as it relates to their capture/playback devices though.
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> realguy: bug #1992026
[13:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992026
[13:54] <ogra> realguy, up to about a month ago there were close zero security updates for universe packages, even in fully supported releases ... recently canonical started providing CVE fixes to such releases via pro
[13:54] <realguy> lotuspsychje: thanks
[13:55] <francisv-local> WaV: hmm, I get "no driver" when I want to use the card, therefore I am trying to find out which drivers it is missing
[13:55] <ogra> realguy, so you can now get security fixes for universe ... and i doubt the bit that tells you about them in apt will be fully turned off (since it is the general security fixes notice it is tied into and we do not want people to be silently vulnerable)
[13:57] <WaV> francisv-local: You may want to try downloading the Desktop Video package from https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/family/capture-and-playback ?? The latest available for Linux is 12.4.1.
[13:57] <francisv-local> WaV: I am trying to run the sample GStreamer pipeline in https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/decklink/decklinkvideosrc.html?gi-language=c.  But it complains that decklink has no driver.
[13:58] <francisv-local> WaV: Yes, I am trying the pckage from the Blackmagic page.  I was just wondering if this is already in a package manager that I could add to my Ubuntu installation.
[13:58] <francisv-local> s/package manager/package repository
[14:00] <ogra> francisv-local, there seems to be an obs-plugins package wit decklink drivers, but no idea if that helps in any way outside of obs
[14:00] <WaV> francisv-local: I haven't looked at how they packaged the software, but if its a .deb file, you can install it with your package manager.
[14:01] <ogra> (it most probably does not, FWIW)
[14:01] <francisv-local> ogra, WaV, thank you for the suggestions, will simply continue with the Blackmagic website.
[14:03] <WaV> francisv-local: So it's a tar archive that has a .deb, a .rpm and some other extensions as well. There is a pretty detailed readme with installation instructions for Ubuntu. You may want to look through it.
[14:04] <SteelRose> Hi again! I hit another wall with DNS configuration on 18.04 LTS... https://dpaste.org/Kvywj <-- can someone please shed some light and help? Thanks!
[14:04] <WaV> francisv-local: One thing that stuck out to me in the readme is this: "* desktopvideo: This package includes the driver and firmware utility. This package is required."
[14:05] <WaV> francisv-local: That appears to answer your question about drivers
[14:07] <francisv-local> Yes, following the README, thanks WaV
[14:17] <UbuntuAdmin3744> apt update downloads for the 5.4.0-148 kernel are super slow.
[14:21] <francisv-local> WaV: it seems that the only thing that I was missing was to install `dkms`
[14:21] <WaV> francisv-local: So all is well now?
[14:21] <francisv-local> yes
[14:21] <WaV> cool
[14:21] <francisv-local> without the need to install anything from the blackmagic page
[14:21] <WaV> Good deal. Enjoy :)
[14:22] <francisv-local> `dkms` was a requirement written in the README
[14:22] <francisv-local> WaV: thank you :-)
[14:39] <tomreyn> UbuntuAdmin3744: maybe you have a slow mirror server. where are you downlaoding from?
[14:45] <UbuntuAdmin3744> tomreyn:  apt just shows us.archive.ubuntu.com    Is there a tool to test and set a faster mirror?
[14:47] <ravage> UbuntuAdmin3744: the installer usually chooses the country mirror near you
[14:47] <ravage> is your system in the US?
[14:48] <ravage> you can just test the mirror in your browser with http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ls-lR.gz for example
[14:49] <ravage> choose any mirror that works best for you from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[14:51] <tomreyn> UbuntuAdmin3744: you can try using this script to see which of the US mirror servers is giving you the slow download: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#check_mirrors_speed_at_url
[14:59] <UbuntuAdmin3744> thanks ravage and tomreyn!
[15:00] <tomreyn> <IP_ADDRESS>:80 seems to be slower than the other 3 servers
[15:12] <Znevna> or just you know, use the mirror protocol
[15:12] <Znevna> avoid hammering one server
[15:22] <Guest5195> Hi all! I have problems importing GIF animations to Impress. They lost resolution. There is any way to insert the GIF animations without loss of resolution?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> Guest5195: please try the #libreoffice channel
[15:24] <Guest5195> I tried, but nobody answer :(
[16:28] <sale_> ping
[16:28] <ikonia> people are here
[16:36] <francis> I have a problem with something simple. I am trying to have rhythmbox write flac files to a mp3 media player. rhythmbox is suggested i install packages, but, i think the correct apt sources arent setup because nothing is getting installed, nor is rhythmbox suggesting what libraries should be add. so, my question is, what libs should be installed? source is flac, destination should be aac/mp3 on the media player
[16:38] <jhutchins> francis: Can you mount the player as a block device?
[16:39] <leftyfb> francis: please pastebin or screenshot the errors
[16:43] <francis> Additional software is required to convert 1 file into a format supported by the target device:
[16:43] <francis> ID3 tag muxer
[16:43] <francis> MPEG-4 AAC encoder
[16:44] <francis> im using the standard software sources @leftyfb. i didnt activate anything additional
[16:44] <leftyfb> francis: (cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:46] <francis> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS"
[16:46] <francis> NAME="Ubuntu"
[16:46] <francis> VERSION_ID="22.04"
[16:46] <francis> VERSION="22.04.2 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)"
[16:46] <francis> VERSION_CODENAME=jammy
[16:46] <francis> ID=ubuntu
[16:46] <leftyfb> francis: you didn't copy/paste the command as I gave it to you
[16:47] <leftyfb> francis: sudo apt install gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
[16:50] <francis> gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly is already the newest version (1.20.1-1)
[16:53] <nikolam> Inkscape in 22.04 can't export SVG into .PNG image. I'll try newer Inkscape form flatpak.
[16:54] <leftyfb> francis: sudo apt install gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
[16:56] <leftyfb> nikolam: I just opened inkscape for the first time on my 22.04 install, opened an svg and exported as a png
[16:56] <leftyfb> the flatpak is not necessary
[16:57] <nikolam> leftyfb, try exporting https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/expanse/images/a/af/MCR_Seal-vector.svg/revision/latest?cb=20170925015155
[16:58] <beowuff> Hello! I'm trying to get autoinstalls to work and I've run into an issue with the serial console. I can get everything to boot with pxe just fine, but when the installer starts, it shows a "basic mode" due to the serial connection and doesn't start the autoinstall. Is there a way to make the installer skip the "basic mode" and go to the autoinstall script?
[16:58] <nikolam> leftyfb, well, maybe but it brings newer apps to 22.04/LTS  Seems that porting apps to LTS over PPA is lower these days..
[16:58] <leftyfb> nikolam: works fine
[16:59] <nikolam> leftyfb, well, dunno, if Xubuntu made any difference.. it made 0 bytes PNG file here, hmm.
[16:59] <leftyfb> nikolam: the latest 1.2.2 version of inkscape is available on ubuntu 22.04 as a snap
[17:00] <nikolam> leftyfb, I tend to avoid snap fully. Had problems accessing local data with snap apps (Skype)
[17:01] <leftyfb> nikolam: that's just a setting
[17:01] <nikolam> Yeah I see now it is also available as a snap. But I learn with Firefox form snap that binaries in snaps are not actually made by Ubuntu.
[17:01] <mybalzitch> how do I get the image thumbnail generation to work real-time in the new gnome file picker, like inside of an app such as firefox
[17:02] <leftyfb> nikolam: no, they're made by Mozilla (in the case of Firefox) and by Inkscape (in the case of Inkscape)
[17:03] <francis> leftyfb: Unable to send file to MTP device: PTP Layer error a809: send_file_object_info(): Could not send object property list
[17:06] <nikolam> leftyfb, and that is exactly the problem. It's not "software distribution" anymore. If it is not distributing software, why use Ubuntu for distributing other people binaries
[17:07] <nikolam> It was always compiling then distributing, it is different now.
[17:07] <arraybolt3> I thought Snaps are still compiled by Canonical's servers? Also Canonical owns the repo with the Firefox Snap packaging.
[17:10] <ravage> you can upload the snaps yourself
[17:10] <ravage> but they can also be compiled on the launchpad server farm
[17:11] <ravage> the easiest way is to link your github account and it will release from there
[17:11] <francis> im a bit disapointed to be honest, i have been using ubuntu since warty, and that these things still dont work..
[17:12] <nikolam> ravage, As I were informed, Firefox snap binaries are compiled by Mozilla, provided by Mozilla, nowone ever mentioned that they are compiled on Ubuntu/launchpad server farm..
[17:12] <nikolam> Till now.
[17:12] <ravage> it is possible that mozilla uses their own build system
[17:13] <ravage> the snap itself is maintained by mozilla
[17:13] <nikolam> So Ubuntu can't make sure whatever is in those snap binaries. So no, thank you.
[17:13] <ravage> that is probably right yes
[17:14] <alkisg> Ouch, there's no requirement to have the source code in snaps, to test it with reproducible builds etc?
[17:15] <leftyfb> nikolam: ok, so you just contradicted your previous statement that you preferred ubuntu to "distribute" the code/binaries itself and not by the vendors. Now you're saying you don't trust ubuntu distributing the code/binaries
[17:15] <ravage> alkisg: there is a skype or discord snap. that should answer your question
[17:16] <alkisg> ravage: there's a skype.deb too, but we can't upload it to launchpad; I mean, it's just about policy, not a techinical reason to have the sources or not...
[17:17] <alkisg> But OK I got it :)
[17:17] <leftyfb> The source code is available for both inkscape and firefox, it doesn't actually matter who compiles it.
[17:17] <alkisg> I would like it better if they said "open source projects: upload your sources along with your snap, so that anyone can test with reproducible builds; close source projects: do whatever you want, people may opt not to trust you"
[17:18] <alkisg> Sure, if each release is git-tagged in some repository, that's fine too
[17:19] <leftyfb> https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap
[17:19] <alkisg> Does snap have "components" like main, contrib, non-free? So that people can opt only for e.g. open source snaps?
[17:19] <ravage> no
[17:20] <ravage> you can set a license
[17:20] <ravage> but that is totally optional
[17:20] <leftyfb> no, but it has channels https://snapcraft.io/docs/channels
[17:20] <ravage> you trust the snap creator
[17:20] <ravage> that is all there is
[17:20] <ravage> with mozilla i am not really concerned
[17:20] <leftyfb> yep
[17:20] <ravage> and for skype it does not matter where i get my binary blob
[17:21] <ravage> at least with the snap it updates :)
[17:21] <alkisg> :D
[17:22] <dominic_> New HTTP/S load testing tool 230% faster than k6 https://github.com/domsolutions/gopayloader
[17:22] <hsiktas[m]> if I have Gnome Software installed, is there anything Ubuntu Software can do, that Gnome Software can't?
[17:22] <ravage> !ot | dominic_
[17:22] <ravage> hsiktas[m]: search the snap store for example
[17:23] <ravage> that may be it
[17:26] <nikolam> leftyfb, I don't trust binaries distributed without compiling and knowing what is inside. No contradiction here. And flatpak is larger community, not only Ubuntu. I don't see and point in snaps if ubuntu didn't compile them and doesn't support them. It's not software distribution anymore, but binaries distribution. But I won't talk about that anymore. I came to report about Inkscape and it couldn't be reproduced.
[17:29] <pyzozord> hello, on ubuntu 22 with x11 when I'm in activities view, the tab key doesn't work anymore to switch focus between windows
[17:29] <pyzozord> it seems like I need to use arrow keys, which is somewhat annoying, is it possible to change this?
[17:29] <arraybolt3> nikolam: You do know what's inside though. Mozilla's source code and some packaging that's here: https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: check the hotkeys in gnome settings, or tweak things in dconf-editor
[17:32] <nikolam> arraybolt3, No I don't . I do when I download it from Mozilla site, that they do. But what comes between mozilla and snap in Ubuntu I don't know.  Ubuntu does not know nor cares. snap doesn't know. So no thanks.
[17:33] <nikolam> snap is security hole.
[17:33] <leftyfb>  nikolam only if you don't trust ubuntu. If you don't then why are you running it?
[17:34] <nikolam> leftyfb, Ubuntu doesn't have idea what is in snap binaries. So it's like not trusting water pipes.
[17:34] <leftyfb> nikolam: mozilla does, which you just said you trusted
[17:35] <leftyfb> and also, if it's built in the snap store from a snapcraft yaml, using mozilla's source code, then yes, Ubuntu does know what's in it
[17:35] <nikolam> so I download it from Mozilla. I don't need snap for that. And I use flatpak, because they who make it, they know ehat's inside too. Ubuntu does not.
[17:35] <leftyfb> ok, good luck
[17:36] <nikolam> leftyfb, one can't audit binaries. I can only audit source and build from it. Ubuntu makes itself useless with snaps, if not building them.
[17:37] <arraybolt3> nikolam: If the problem is prebuilt binaries, .deb files have the exact same problem. Built from Mozilla's source, using Canonical's servers.
[17:37] <arraybolt3> (Also, this may be a discussion better had in #ubuntu-discuss.)
[17:37] <nikolam> arraybolt3, nope, .deb binaries are build from sorce by the software distribution.
[17:37] <nikolam> They are under community and maintainers control
[17:38] <nikolam> snaps are not as said..
[17:38] <leftyfb> nikolam: I'm not here to convince you either way. But please don't make false statements. Mozilla creates a yaml which is basically a make file that tells snapcraft to pull down the mozilla source code (the one from their site or github) and how to build it.
[17:38] <arraybolt3> Which the Firefox Snap is also. The GitHub link above is the repo with the Snap packaging.
[17:39] <nikolam> arraybolt3, and missing info is who makes binaries? Nobody knows.
[17:39] <leftyfb> nikolam: said file is here https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/blob/stable/snapcraft.yaml
[17:40] <nikolam> but binaries are not compiled by ubuntu so they can include more things.
[17:40] <leftyfb> nikolam: the snap build system run by Ubuntu/Canonical builds it. Very similar to how they build .debs which you already trust
[17:40] <leftyfb> nikolam: yes, they are
[17:40] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: i didn't find anything in either
[17:40] <leftyfb> nikolam: you do know snap is owned and run by Canonical/Ubuntu right?
[17:41] <leftyfb> nikolam: this is exactly how the snap is built https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/blob/stable/snapcraft.yaml
[17:41] <leftyfb> by Ubuntu
[17:41] <nikolam> leftyfb, now you say contrary things. First binaries in snap are provided by mozilla , now that Ubuntu builds it. And Ubuntu does not have any control over what is included in it or not.
[17:42] <leftyfb> nikolam: Mozilla has control over what goes into it, Ubuntu(snap builds it)
[17:42] <leftyfb> nikolam: it's ok, you don't like snap. That's completely fine. We don't need to keep going back and forth. Good luck
[17:43] <nikolam> So the sentence "binaries in snap are provided by .." should be said as: "binaries are build on Ubuntu servers, without Ubuntu community nor maintenance or choosing what is inside".
[17:44] <leftyfb> nikolam: the snapcraft files are all open source. You can see what goes into them
[17:44] <leftyfb> they are just yaml files
[17:45] <nikolam> leftyfb, being opensource and binaries you use are two separate things. It is like people use "opensource" Microsoft Codium, but Microsoft-distributed binaries include multiple layers of added telemetry..
[17:46] <leftyfb> nikolam: again, you're just going to keep coming up with reasons why you don't like snaps. You don't need to like them. I do encourage you to look at what goes into building a snap. Maybe even try building one yourself. And then make better informed decisions. Good luck
[17:46] <nikolam> leftyfb, you are trying to turn things like I am the problem.
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: could this be what you need? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-windows-switching.html.en
[17:53] <nikolam> leftyfb, I use snap with Skype, because, you know, it is fully proprietary so it is more in line with snap philosophy of not knowing what's inside.
[17:53] <nikolam> Ok, let me drop the subject.
[17:53] <leftyfb> nikolam: again, please don't make false statements
[18:07] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: nope, this works fine as expected
[18:07] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: i am talking after you press just the "super" key and you activate the "activities" mode
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> works here pyzozord
[18:08] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by works?
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: super to enter activities, tab to select a window, keys to move between
[18:10] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: keys as in arrow keys?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> yep
[18:10] <pyzozord> yeah arrow keys work here too
[18:11] <pyzozord> but in activities mode tab works wonky, doesn't select all windows
[18:11] <pyzozord> selects only first window and shift+tab only last
[18:11] <pyzozord> and that's it
[18:11] <pyzozord> i cannot tab-select throught windows to focus on in the activities mode, like I could in ubuntu 20.04
[18:12] <pyzozord> in 20.04 I could press super, tab, tab, tab, enter to select third window in activities mode
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: how about mouse scroll
[18:13] <pyzozord> mouse scroll changes between "desktops" in activities mode
[18:14] <paul424> Could someone create libOIS-1.5.0 for focal -- Ubuntu 20 ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> pyzozord: checkout dconf-editor and search on keyword for your need like focus or window
[18:17] <ravage> paul424: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wgois/files/Source%20Release/ there is no version 1.5
[18:17] <ravage> oh there is on github
[18:17] <ravage> ubuntu still uses SF :P
[18:18] <paul424> yeah sourceforge >_>
[18:18] <paul424> how do I search the homebrew == third party package repositories ?
[18:18] <pyzozord> lotuspsychje: does it behave the same for you btw?
[18:18] <pyzozord> I don't think it's a dconf setting, I couldn't find anything
[18:19] <ravage> paul424: there is no such thing for Ubuntu. There may be 3rd party packages on the internet
[18:19] <pyzozord> what would I even search for...
[18:19] <paul424> how to search for them , ravage  ?
[18:19] <ravage> your favorite search engine :)
[18:21] <paul424> what a crap, on openSuse you have taht site search.opensuse.org or whatever and you can easily search the third party packages as well
[18:30] <loswedseded> I have a clock issue. Since I upgraded to 23.04 fonts is much smaller and the window doesn't enlarge if I want to show both time and date. Now both time and date are in a very small window on the upper panel but in order to show both, font is size 5 or 6
[18:31] <loswedseded> how do I enlarge this window?
[18:31] <bblinky> Hello, this article says that ubuntu supports uefi capsule updates
[18:31] <bblinky> https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000131486/update-the-dell-bios-in-a-linux-or-ubuntu-environment#updatebios2015
[18:32] <bblinky> How do I do that?
[18:32] <bblinky> Sry, this is the correct link
[18:32] <bblinky> https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000131486/update-the-dell-bios-in-a-linux-or-ubuntu-environment#Flashing%20a%20Dell%20BIOS%20in%20a%20Linux%20Only%20Environment
[18:33] <WaV> paul424: you can download your distributions official package from the apt repository, but it will likely not be the latest one. if you need the latest one, you can build it from the github page which has instructions on how to do that.
[18:39] <paul424> WaV, yeah I know that .... thanks for the reply anyway, yo !
[18:46] <jhutchins> How do you update the BIOS on a non-uefi system?
[18:49] <leftyfb> jhutchins: fwupdmgr
[18:51] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Yeah, specifically doesn't work with BIOS according to the error messages and docs.
[18:54] <leftyfb> jhutchins: can you point to the documentation that says it doesn't work with BIOS?
[19:00] <jhutchins> leftyfb: How would that help you?
[19:01] <leftyfb> jhutchins: because I would like to see the documentation saying fwupdmgr doesn't work for updating a BIOS
[19:08] <bblinky> Do IWhat is intel sgx used for in ubuntu?
[19:55] <bblinky> does ubuntu support laptop fastboot?
[19:58] <leftyfb> bblinky: if you're referring to the Windows "fast startup", no. Ubuntu does not do that
[20:08] <bblinky> does the ubuntu installer image have haveged ?
[20:08] <ravage> what is haveged?
[20:09] <bblinky> creates more entropy fr /dev/random
[20:12] <leftyfb> bblinky: https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.manifest
[20:12] <leftyfb> bblinky: doesn't look like it
[20:13] <bblinky> I'm still writing at 322 MB/s
[20:13] <bblinky> so.. I guess it's not needed so far
[20:14] <bblinky> *shrugs*
[20:49] <David_Hedlund> How do I report the same bug from two different versions (say 22.04, and 23.04) of Ubuntu?


[00:39] <bjsnider> RAOF, gstreamer-vaapi is free, although it is very raw at this point
[00:39] <bjsnider> it works but doesn't have any subtitle support right now
[00:40] <RAOF> Oh, and it actually works & exists now?  I've been aware that there's been work on that area, I just haven't followed closely.
[00:40] <RAOF> (vdpau on fluendo on my tiny little netbook is sufficiently useful to crowd out other investigations)
[00:41] <bjsnider> you have to actually...
[00:41] <bjsnider> horro of horros...
[00:41] <bjsnider> PAY for that right?
[00:43] <RAOF> Indeed you do!  Shocking, I know.
[00:43] <bjsnider> pardon me while i throw myself off the nearest tall building in despair
[00:46] <bjsnider> RAOF, you've always been madly in love with gstreamer, but others prefer mplayer and/or vlc
[00:46] <RAOF> Yeah, I know.
[00:46] <bjsnider> i think there's a movement on to make kde's media player engine vlc instead of xine
[00:46] <RAOF> But gstreamer is (rightly) the default, so it's reasonable to care more about it.  Particularly when that aligns with my own interests :)
[00:47] <bjsnider> it's RIGHTLY the default
[00:47]  * RAOF still isn't sure why kde's media player isn't a thin layer around gstreamer :)
[00:47] <jcristau> because gstreamer has a g
[00:47] <jcristau> they can't possibly allow that in kde
[00:48] <RAOF> Worse, it's gobject based!
[00:48] <bjsnider> yeah but why did they pick xine, of all things?
[00:48] <RAOF> Because it's an actual engine, I think.
[00:48] <RAOF> Like, is intended to be used as such.
[00:48] <RAOF> Does vlc provide that sort of thing?  I've only interacted with it as a (kick-arse) player for Windows/Mac.
[00:49] <bjsnider> evidently so
[00:49] <bjsnider> but anything that can be used at the command line could theoretically be used that way
[00:49] <RAOF> Yeah, but that's *made* of ugly.
[00:49] <jcristau> so is kde, so that's fine
[00:49]  * jcristau hides
[00:49] <bjsnider> xine couldn't even do 24-bit flac until very recently
[00:50] <bjsnider> it still can't do flac 5.1
[00:50] <RAOF> See?  GStreamer :P
[00:50] <bjsnider> why is gstreamer better than mplayer?
[00:51]  * RAOF doesn't actually know if the gstreamer decoders support that, 'cause he doesn't have (a) a 24bit soundcard, (b) 5.1 speakers.
[00:51] <bjsnider> gstreamer does do both
[00:51] <bjsnider> but so does mplayer and so does vlc
[00:51] <RAOF> Mainly because mplayer is the whole widget, with a terrible UI.
[00:52] <bjsnider> ok, forget the stupid ui
[00:52] <bjsnider> it's been dropped anyway
[00:52] <RAOF> So it's now just a commandline client?
[00:53] <bjsnider> yes
[00:53] <bjsnider> but nobody who seriously uses it had installed mplayer-gui for years
[00:53] <bjsnider> there are much better gui clients, like gnome-mplayer and smplayer
[00:54] <RAOF> A commandline client isn't particularly programmer-friendly.
[00:54] <bjsnider> it doesnt eh best subtitles, and it was the first app that had vdpau
[00:54] <RAOF> The thing that I particularly like about gstreamer is that it can be, and is, our media framework.
[00:55] <RAOF> (Also that it's trivially pluggable, which is important)
[00:55] <bjsnider> so it's better because it's what we currently have? i do not accept that reasoning
[00:56] <RAOF> It's better because nothing else can reasonably be our media framework.
[00:56] <RAOF> Nothing else (bar xine, I think?) does the sort of plugability we need.
[00:57] <bjsnider> what if videolan could?
[00:58] <RAOF> Then it might be a good idea, but it'd need to be significantly better than gstreamer to justify the switch.
[00:59] <RAOF> Is videolan actually intended to be used as a media player framework, though?  I know that it's possible to use it as such, but isn't it much more focused on vlc?
[00:59] <bjsnider> you know, it's developed as heavily as anything i've seen, so it might not have been yesterday, and it might be today
[01:00] <bjsnider> if you ever try to build it, it's significantly different after 6 weeks than it was earlier
[01:00] <bjsnider> quite unlike xine, by the way
[01:00] <RAOF> That's not exactly an unconditional win :)
[01:01] <bjsnider> vlc probably cooks your supper and tucks you into bed by now
[01:05] <RAOF> Well, get it stabilised, supporting plugabble codecs, and used by GNOME applications and I'll care significantly more about it :)
[01:49]  * freeflying
[02:57] <warewolf> hm
[02:57] <warewolf> ok, #ubuntu is useless, I have an X problem so I'll try poking around here.
[02:57] <warewolf> I updated my T91MT running lucid last night, and now stuff is all kinds of broken.
[02:58] <warewolf> single user mode gets stuck before getting to that curses UI menu thing, and X acts like there are no mouse/keyboard devices defined.
[02:58] <warewolf> I can get a shell via init=/bin/bash, but have no idea how to troubleshoot upstart.
[03:11] <RAOF> Sounds like udev might be broken?
[03:12] <warewolf> I just disabled the one and only custom rule I had in there for android adb
[03:13] <warewolf> oh I suppose I could have looked at the xorg log. duh.  lemme see.
[03:15] <warewolf> er
[03:15] <warewolf> I don't even see *mention* of keyboard in the xorg conf at all.
[03:15] <RAOF> You have an xorg.conf?
[03:15] <warewolf> yeah, but it's really short.
[03:15] <RAOF> Many people won't.
[03:16] <warewolf> just some stuff for the T91MT's touchscreen, with Sarvatt's help
[03:16] <warewolf> er
[03:16] <RAOF> Ok.
[03:16] <warewolf> s/xorg conf/xorg log/
[03:16] <warewolf> I expect to see something about a keyboard device in the xorg log
[03:16] <RAOF> Only if udev's working.
[03:16] <RAOF> If udev isn't working then X won't see *any* input devices.
[03:16] <warewolf> ok, another notch in udev being broken.
[03:16] <warewolf> yeah, that sounds about right then.
[03:17] <warewolf> how the fsck did I break udev by doing a system update last night? *boggles*
[03:17] <warewolf> I suck at troubleshooting udev
[03:49] <warewolf> ok
[03:50] <warewolf> dpkg-reconfigure udev and update_initramfs=all fixxored
[04:15] <Sarvatt> sorry richard, I just walked in the door and missed your messages, get it working? wonder what the heck happened there
[04:16] <Sarvatt> warewolf: did you see there were proprietary drivers for that piece of junk now that probably work on lucid? :)
[04:17] <Sarvatt> i think one of those guys that was packaging up the PSB stuff has a PPA with them on launchpad, bernardo something?
[04:17] <Sarvatt> drivers are called emgd
[04:18] <Sarvatt> i still can't download anything but windows drivers direct from intel, trying to download for any linux distro gives me an exe
[04:19]  * Sarvatt goes back to trying to root his G2
[04:24] <RAOF> Good plan!
[04:26] <bjsnider> does jockey not block the nvidia run files anymore?
[04:27] <RAOF> As in: prevent them from working?  Did it ever?
[04:27] <bjsnider> it prevented them from installing starting with lucid
[04:28] <bjsnider> but now all these n00bs are in the +1 channel talking about how they installed the .run files
[06:16] <Sarvatt> warewolf: speak of the devil... http://woot.com/
[07:34] <Sarvatt> just ordered a 5770, time to go through some of this fglrx pain :)
[07:35] <RAOF> :)
[13:28] <bjsnider> tseliot, does jockey not block the nvidia run files anymore?
[13:49] <tseliot> bjsnider: jockey never did that
[14:03] <bjsnider> ok, well i must hve misunderstood then
[14:33] <bjsnider> it's nvidia-current that does it, but it's not part of the metapackages, so it's not there by default
[14:43] <warewolf> Sarvatt: hah
[15:13] <Sarvatt> bryceh: would it be possible to move intel to the top of the chart so the other packages are easier to follow? http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-maverick-workqueue.svg
[15:47] <dandel> Sarvatt: lol... that report shows how popular ati hardware is on linux.
[15:49] <Sarvatt> dandel: i think you're looking at it wrong
[15:50] <Sarvatt> fglrx being at the top doesn't mean it has the most, the fglrx bugs are represented by the tiny blue strip at the top only
[15:51] <dandel> if that's the case, the #1 used hardware is intel (which is not surprising)
[15:52] <Sarvatt> you cant really pull any use numbers out of that, intel is really skewed because we have automatic crash reporting bugs for that package only which is getting triggered by some non fatal crashes and flooding launchpad
[15:54] <dandel> i see... and that bug report results are not as bad... i know i removed a few packages results manually because i did bleeding edge tests (2.6.36 kernel tests)
[16:06] <Sarvatt> cnd: dunno if you got my message about it, but wouldn't it make more sense to install 60-magictrackpad.conf in a utouch package instead of evdev since utouch isn't installed by default everywhere and there is a loss of functionality using evdev without it?
[16:12] <cnd> Sarvatt, utouch is merely a meta package
[16:12] <cnd> you could argue it could go into libutouch-grail1
[16:12] <cnd> but that is installed everywhere
[16:13] <cnd> to answer the question more directly, we don't want a different experience between the desktop and netbook installs
[16:13] <cnd> right now the desktop has a subset of the features in netbook because compiz doesn't have gestures like unity does
[16:13] <cnd> but we don't want there to be divergent features between the two
[16:14] <cnd> and to be honest, I was on your side too
[16:14] <jcristau> so you regress the desktop instead :)
[16:14] <cnd> I would rather have left the magic trackpad alone for now
[16:14] <cnd> but I was overruled by others :)
[16:14] <cnd> the desktop never regressed
[16:14] <cnd> in lucid, the synaptics functionality wasn't present
[16:14] <jcristau> oh, ok
[16:15] <cnd> we had a choice in maverick to either enable synaptics functionality, or enable gestures
[16:15] <cnd> due to time constraints
[16:15] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, why in the world are you buying an ati card?
[16:15] <bjsnider> do you enjoy pain?
[16:15] <cnd> and all the synaptics functionality should be duplicated in our gesture framework in Natty (hopefully)
[16:16] <cnd> it not in Natty, certainly by the O
[16:44] <Sarvatt> woo baby, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=726210f87d558d558022f35bc8c839e798a19f0c is going to fix a massive amount of these apport intel bugs
[16:48] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: I don't have any ati's to break anymore and there was nothing better at $120
[16:48] <Sarvatt> hell, I want a poulsbo machine still :)
[16:48]  * Sarvatt likes broken stuff
[16:49] <Sarvatt> but i draw the line at 8xx intel's
[16:49] <jcristau> heh
[17:40] <bryceh> Sarvatt, nice work - http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-maverick.svg
[17:41] <Sarvatt> bryceh: that aint even half of it, and a large chunk of the duped ones are going to be closed whenever I can get that libdrm fix SRUed :)
[17:42] <Sarvatt> i'm going through and adjusting the titles of all of them now and will dupe after since that makes it easier so they stopped going down for a bit
[17:44] <Sarvatt> then i can start actually fixing things.. lol
[17:49] <bryceh> cool
[17:49] <bryceh> special attention to 656243 would be deserved
[17:50] <Sarvatt> yep thats the libdrm problem
[17:51] <Sarvatt> already have it in git, asked for testing of the PPA one on the many bugs
[17:52] <Sarvatt> haven't started condensing that one too much because people report the symptoms differently and want to get feedback on the different symptoms, but there are 3 major ones i'm looking at so far
[17:52] <bryceh> cool
[17:55] <Sarvatt> bryceh: when should I start looking for sponsors and preparing the bugs for SRU? I'm just assuming I'd have to wait until release first :)
[17:56] <bryceh> nope you can prepare SRUs as soon as you are confident in the fix
[17:56] <bryceh> in fact the release team sometimes pulls in SRUs pre-release if there's time and the bug looks acceptable to them
[17:58] <bryceh> also, sru bugs generally need a week or so of testing before the archive team puts them out, so filing them now means they can be tested while the release is finishing up, and can go out a few days post-release
[18:01] <Sarvatt> oh heck, I've had a sandybridge fix ready and tested by many HWE people for the past week but assumed it was bad form to try to SRU before release unless it was critical
[18:15] <Sarvatt> RAOF: forgot to commit something to x-x-v-intel git?
[18:15] <Sarvatt>   * Cherry-pick e30f0338 to free the Screen pixmap on close.  Fixes a memory
[18:15] <Sarvatt>     leak on server regeneration, and another crash on KDE log out hidden by
[18:15] <Sarvatt>     LP 628077.
[18:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628077 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[i865] Crash on logout with KDM (affects: 1) (heat: 111)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628077
[18:15]  * Sarvatt just noticed it missing in the debdiff
[18:42] <Sarvatt> hmm, not where where this bug should go http://launchpadlibrarian.net/55916325/XorgLogOld.txt
[20:03] <Sarvatt> bryceh: well the apport reports are for sure better than 90% of the normal bugs, the automatic duping just needs to  be fixed up a bit. at least I can tell whats actually happening without relying on what they say, like if they have a video playing in firefox and just say firefox is causing the crash and its a lot easier to spot dupes
[20:04] <Sarvatt> looking at non apport bugs is painfully slow now :)
[20:09]  * penguin42 is going to try and apply THomas Hellstrom's ttm fix that Dave Airlie pushed today , see if it fixes his -12 errors
[20:10] <Sarvatt> if PGTBL_ER + chipset generation match they can be duped, IPEHR: 0x7xxxxxxx are all 3D engine related on 965+, IPEHR: 0x018xxxxxx are enable/disabling/resizing the monitor related, IPEHR: 0x01810000 is always accelerated video playback on 8xx, etc
[20:11] <Sarvatt> guess I should read the docs
[20:14] <Sarvatt> beats the heck out of manually going over the logs for 10+ minutes on each bug to find a trace of the problem
[20:33] <penguin42> did Radeon hd5xxx ever work on Lucid? I had a bug raised where it was wrongly doing KMS for them but couldn't cut it - was there ever anything to address that?
[20:38] <Sarvatt> penguin42: I don't know for sure but I'll find out tomorrow when I get my 5770 in, as far as I remember it shouldn't have even tried to work at that point and vesa would be used until fglrx was installed
[20:39] <penguin42> ah it's listed in lucid-updates
[20:39] <penguin42> Sarvatt: Bug 560306
[20:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 560306 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "[lucid] ATI hd5xxx cards wrongly doing kms? (affects: 38) (dups: 5) (heat: 154)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560306
[20:41] <Sarvatt> hmm that shouldn't have been happening
[20:41] <Sarvatt> it even loaded the rv710 microcode
[20:41] <penguin42> Sarvatt: Hence why I reported it
[20:42] <Sarvatt> oh looks like I responded there and didn't check up on it after too, I thought the radeon.modeset=1 that we had forced in the x-x-v-ati synced from debian was screwing it up
[20:43] <Sarvatt> lets see, one person saying no problem in the lucid -rc..
[20:43] <penguin42> Sarvatt: With that guy just reporting it still happening on 10.04.1 it would be good to get it fixed next time a CD gets regenerated (is there going to be a .2 ?)
[20:43] <Sarvatt> haven't made it down that far in the  bug yet :)
[20:43] <Sarvatt> ugh its another dumping ground bug so far, people reporting all kinds of other problems thinking its the same
[20:44] <penguin42> yeh - whether it is or not is a good question
[20:44] <Sarvatt> like the dvi-0/dvi-1 issue
[20:44] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I don't have a 5k to try it out, if 10.04.1 actually works for you it would be good to note it
[20:44] <Sarvatt> yeah will do for sure
[20:46] <Sarvatt> there was a bug where the dvi port assignments were messed up and only one of the two was working on radeon that I see a few people mentioning but i'm (almost) positive that was fixed
[20:47] <penguin42> oh well, that's the sods law of having two ports, it'll always use the wrong one
[20:47] <Sarvatt> evergreen firmware isn't the issue since .33 didn't support it in the first place but I guess it got added anyway
[20:47] <Sarvatt> radeon thinks its an rv710
[20:48] <jcristau> you didn't backport evergreen kms?
[20:48] <Sarvatt> nope
[20:48] <Sarvatt> not that i'm aware of
[20:48] <jcristau> k
[20:49] <Sarvatt> we released before it was even remotely stable if i'm remembering right, you guys had more room to do it :)
[20:49] <jcristau> ah right, we got that in may
[20:54] <Sarvatt> penguin42: yeah people are just hitting the dvi problem, I know theres a fix for that and will try to work it out when the card comes. we got time with 10.04.2 being released in january :)
[20:54] <Sarvatt> backporting 5xxx KMS sure would be nice though
[20:55] <Sarvatt> there's no logs on that bug to look over to see whats happening now on them
[20:56] <Sarvatt> oh dang, missed some of the later responses, people hitting it on maverick?
[20:56] <penguin42> that's a pity, the drm-fixes patch I pulled didn't fix my -12 error :-(
[21:01] <Sarvatt> -12 error?
[21:05] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I can get an ENOMEM out of the ttm code by scrolling around google maps in chromium-browser (daily-ppa) in KDE with desktop effects on (HD4350)
[21:07] <penguin42> I have managed to trigger it on Gnome without desktop effects once, but I can trigger it in KDE with de in seconds
[21:07] <Sarvatt> is it one of those crazy AGP versions?
[21:08] <penguin42> no, PCI-e, 512MB ram on it
[21:13] <Sarvatt> penguin42: do you have a bug on it by any chance? not having any luck finding any with that that aren't from IGP's
[21:14] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I commented on bug 583891
[21:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 583891 in debian (and 1 other project) "X.org crashes sometimes. [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12! (affects: 9) (heat: 46)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583891
[21:15] <Sarvatt> of course its filed against linux and has no X related logs :(
[21:16] <Sarvatt> and quite a few of the people have old 9xxx series IGP's like the other bugs
[21:16] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I was wonderign whether to add an also-affects to Xorg
[21:17] <Sarvatt> that wouldn't get good logs in there but I doubt its the same bug hitting your card and those IGP's the other people have
[21:17] <penguin42> ok, should I file a separate one, and what would be useful for debug?
[21:17] <Sarvatt> they have things like [    8.435421] [drm:rs400_gart_adjust_size] *ERROR* Forcing to 32M GART size (because of ASIC bug ?) in it
[21:18] <Sarvatt> does the system completely hang when it happens?
[21:18] <penguin42> Sarvatt: No
[21:18] <Sarvatt> oh, it does for the IGP people too
[21:18] <penguin42> Sarvatt: Just the Chromium process dies
[21:19] <Sarvatt> if you could trigger it then run ubuntu-bug xorg it'd put some useful logs on it, that'd be appreciated
[21:19] <penguin42> Sarvatt: OK, will do - I don't think there is anything useful in any of the logs to be honest
[21:20] <Sarvatt> i haven't found anyone else on r600+ reporting it so far
[21:20] <Sarvatt> your dmesg to see what's happening at startup would be useful
[21:21] <penguin42> ok, let me just switch back to the kernel without my debug in
[21:21] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I'd thought Dave's post to lkml/dri-devel today sounded promising though - but I think I've patched that in to my build and it hasn't helped
[21:22]  * Sarvatt takes a look
[21:24] <Sarvatt> penguin42: just curious, have you tried 6.13.2 from here? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[21:24] <penguin42> no, I haven't but can do
[21:29] <penguin42> Sarvatt: You want the bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[21:30] <Sarvatt> penguin42: if you have that 6.13.2 installed then just xorg since it wont let you
[21:30] <Sarvatt> xorg and xserver-xorg-video-ati attach the same info
[21:31] <Sarvatt> can just move it over after
[21:31] <penguin42> Sarvatt: Well I was just going to report it with the standard stuff first and then try 6.13.2
[21:32] <Sarvatt> sounds good, thanks for that since if we upstream it they're going to ask you to try newer :)
[21:36] <penguin42> Sarvatt: OK, bug 656522
[21:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 656522 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12! from google-maps in chromium-browser (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656522
[21:42] <penguin42> Sarvatt: Still does it with 6.13.2-0ubuntu1~xup1
[22:30] <Sarvatt> penguin42: hmm, that bug is proving tricksy to track down, you really are running out of memory somewhere. have you tried disabling the memory remap option in bios by any chance? your bios looks to be full of all kinds of iommu fail
[22:31] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I can try, not sure if it has any options for that - what makes you say it has lots of iommu fail; I know it has plenty of intremap fail :-(
[22:31] <Sarvatt> that ^
[22:31] <penguin42> what?
[22:32] <Sarvatt> 1.50	9/15/2009	Instant Flash	874.94KB	1. Modify for Intel HD Audio.
[22:32] <Sarvatt> 2. Change 'Memory Remap Feature' function default = 'Enabled'.
[22:32] <Sarvatt> the interrupt remapping problems
[22:32] <penguin42> ok, will try that - what does it actually do?
[22:33] <penguin42> hang on; aren't interrupt and memory remapping separate things?
[22:33] <Sarvatt> its all in intel-iommu
[22:33] <penguin42> what's memory remapping?
[22:33] <Sarvatt> magic that breaks thing very often :)
[22:34] <penguin42> ah; I had noticed that I only get 256MB of the cards memory mapped into the PCI-bar -b ut that's a limit of PCI bars isn't it?
[22:34] <Sarvatt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOMMU explains it better than i ever could
[22:38] <penguin42> is there a way to see how much ttm memory is allocated/in use?
[22:43] <RAOF>  /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/gem_objects should be a reasonable proxy, I think.
[22:43] <Sarvatt> not sure off the top of my head, there might be something ttm specific in debugfs?
[22:44] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I don't see an option for IOMMUI
[22:44] <penguin42> IOMMU or remapping in the bios
[22:45] <penguin42> only turning VT or VT-d on and off
[22:45] <Sarvatt> no memory remap option? VTd?
[22:45] <penguin42> no memory remap option; there is a VT-d option - is that related?
[22:45]  * penguin42 has just flipped an option for the default graphics card type from PCI to PCI-e but I think that's just for selecting between multiple cards
[22:47] <Sarvatt> yeah thats DMAR and interrupt remapping, really this is magic to me that i just see pop up as broken in bug reports often :)
[22:47] <penguin42> the interrupt remapping is some VT related stuff; so VT-d might be involved but I haven't followed it well enough
[22:48] <penguin42> right, so starting kde with desktop effects enabled and gem_objects says 874 objects, 100MB object bytes 0 pinned, 0 pin bytes, 0 gtt bytes, 0 gtt total
[22:49] <penguin42> starting chromium with no pages loaded and that's upto 993/128MB
[22:49] <Sarvatt> it just sounds like theres some artificial size barrier along the way giving you the ENOMEM
[22:49] <penguin42> zooming in and we're at 206MB
[22:50] <penguin42> zoomed out hit 430MB, so maybe it did flip over 512MB?
[22:51] <Sarvatt> sheesh, filled up that fast?
[22:51] <penguin42> yeh
[22:51] <penguin42> zooming out in particular
[22:52] <Sarvatt> is it going down or going over the limit ever? did it crash already?
[22:52] <penguin42> it's also being very jerky, not fuilly repainting and stuff - it's not happy
[22:52] <penguin42> yeh it does go down a bit
[22:52] <penguin42> it's not completing a redraw, I'm getting the satellite imagery but none of the overlays
[22:54] <Sarvatt> i think theres ttm info somewhere in debugfs, +EXPORT_SYMBOL(ttm_page_alloc_debugfs);
[22:55] <penguin42> I have a ttm_page_pool
[22:55] <penguin42> the only none-0 line curently reads wc refuills 267 freed 0 size: 136704
[22:57] <penguin42> 635125760 object bytes
[22:58] <RAOF> A mere 600MB
[22:58] <penguin42> on a 512MB card
[22:58] <RAOF> Which would be a problem, if ttm isn't evicting pages properly.
[22:59] <RAOF> If it was working properly that wouldn't be too much of an issue.  Unless you actually need to be texturing from all 600MB there, in which case performance will die.
[22:59] <penguin42> I mean this is kind of a nice bug in the sense that I can trigger it in seconds, except that I have to login to KDE to do it
[23:02] <Sarvatt> cant reproduce it in gnome?
[23:03] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I have done once, although I haven't tried turning on desktop effects in gnome (I have them on in KDE)
[23:04] <Sarvatt> what do you use normally?
[23:05] <penguin42> gnome without desktop effects
[23:05] <penguin42> I'll just go and get something to eat; back in 15mins; but I'll give Gnome+desktop effects a go and see if it breaks
[23:05] <Sarvatt> gnome with effects would be interesting
[23:06] <Sarvatt> :) food! good idea
[23:15]  * penguin42 tries KDE every so often, it's getting closer to what I like but it's model of using storage devices just doesn't work for me since KDE4
[23:18]  * penguin42 files a PA bug - switching from KDE to Gnome leaves PA broken
[23:22] <penguin42> right
[23:22] <penguin42> oh god, wobbly windows
[23:26] <penguin42> Sarvatt: I can't quite get it to pop, even with full desktop effects
[23:27] <penguin42> (In gnome)
[23:27] <penguin42> The amount of space is still big, but not as big and it's obviously still got redraw issues
[23:44]  * penguin42 comes to the conclusion that the daily chromium builds are using GL in some way where as the standard set aren't
[23:47] <RAOF> I think that is the case, yeah.
[23:48] <penguin42> the standard repo chromium is fine


[02:41] <n-iCe> guys does xubuntu has any tool to check HDD errors?
[02:54] <arraybolt3[m]> n-iCe: I'd start with installing smartmontools and then looking at the SMART data using smartctl.
[02:55] <n-iCe> ok
[02:55] <n-iCe> are not installed already I guess?
[03:01] <arraybolt3> n-iCe: I don't think they'll already be installed, but they're available in Ubuntu's repositories.
[03:01] <arraybolt3> (I mean, they might be already installed.)
[03:03] <Unit193> seeded-in-ubuntu says only kubuntu and ubuntustudio.
[03:03] <Unit193> Depending on the hardware, seagate makes 'seatools' which can be used.
[10:14] <ceasarwolphano> hello
[15:04] <n-iCe> guys what would be the best program to virtualize windows
[15:29] <arraybolt3[m]> n-iCe: virt-manager.
[17:00] <n-iCe> hi
[17:04] <n-iCe> I think I moved everything in batter settings to make my laptop not to lock screen after inactivity, but still does it, any idea'
[17:34] <diogenes_> n-iCe: is session save enabled?
[17:41] <n-iCe> diogenes_: now idea, is it on by default?
[17:42] <diogenes_> Just check it.
[17:43] <n-iCe> where
[17:43] <n-iCe> diogenes_:  its disabled
[17:46] <diogenes_> Where did you check it?
[17:49] <n-iCe> sessions
[17:50] <diogenes_> Check it in settings editor> xfce4-session > saveonexit
[17:53] <n-iCe> but, what I mean is I set it in the same session and without reboot or shutdown it still locks screen
[17:53] <n-iCe> not sure has something to do with that
[21:25] <n-iCe> hi