[18:19] <jenkins> evening all
[19:59] <jenkins> meeting in 2 minutes right?
[19:59] <ChrisWoollard> Wow.
[19:59] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[19:59] <ChrisWoollard> Long time no see
[19:59] <c7p> hello all
[19:59] <RawChid> Hi
[20:00] <jenkins> Hello, yea sorry real life has me very busy
[20:00] <jenkins> how is everyone?
[20:00] <ChrisWoollard> Alright I guess
[20:00]  * dutchie back too
[20:00] <jenkins> hello dutchie
[20:00] <ChrisWoollard> Hello dutchie
[20:00] <c7p> hey dutchie
[20:01] <ChrisWoollard> Is Godbyk around?
[20:01] <jenkins> pass
[20:03] <jenkins> anyone here with a launchpad id of rutcast who is interested in quickshot?
[20:03] <ChrisWoollard> I haven't
[20:04] <jenkins> or anyone esle :D
[20:04] <jenkins> etherpad tells you what browser people ar eusing if you hover over their name
[20:05] <jenkins> well it did a minute ago
[20:05] <c7p> jenkins yes you use Chrome, interesting ... ;)
[20:05] <jenkins> correct :)
[20:07] <ChrisWoollard> How long should we wait?
[20:08] <jenkins> 2 more mins
[20:09] <ChrisWoollard> Does anybody know how the meeting bot thing works?
[20:09] <c7p> i don't :/
[20:09] <jenkins> type "#startmeeting" iirc
[20:10] <jenkins> or with as space
[20:11] <ChrisWoollard> Ok then
[20:12] <ChrisWoollard> #start meeting
[20:12] <ChrisWoollard> #startmeeting
[20:12] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:12. The chair is ChrisWoollard.
[20:12] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:12] <ChrisWoollard> Okay then, i guess that is it
[20:13] <ChrisWoollard> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-1
[20:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-1
[20:13] <ChrisWoollard> #topic Feedback on role advertisments
[20:14] <godbyk> Hey, guys.  Sorry I'm late.
[20:14] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[20:14] <jenkins> its [topic]
[20:14] <RawChid> [TOPIC] Feedback on role advertisments
[20:14] <c7p> hi Kevin
[20:14] <jenkins> :)
[20:14] <RawChid> ;)
[20:14] <ChrisWoollard> [TOPIC] Feedback on role advertisments
[20:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Feedback on role advertisments
[20:14] <jenkins> hello godbyk
[20:14] <ChrisWoollard> Cool. thanks
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk. Have you reviewed the roles?
[20:15] <jenkins> did we get any aplicats?
[20:15] <godbyk> We did get some applicants, yes.
[20:15] <ChrisWoollard> a handfull
[20:15] <godbyk> Let me collect the emails and put them up on the web or paste them someplace.
[20:15] <godbyk> One moment.
[20:15] <c7p> neat :D
[20:15] <daker_> hello all ツ
[20:16] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[20:16] <c7p> hi
[20:17] <ChrisWoollard> For those that didn't see. We have a page on ubuntu-manual.org/jobs now
[20:20] <ChrisWoollard> We should really have prepared this in advance.
[20:20] <jenkins> shall id do a quickshot update its a bit out of sink?
[20:20] <daker_> good
[20:20] <jenkins> as far as the agenda is
[20:21] <ChrisWoollard> maybe i should change the topic
[20:21] <ChrisWoollard> then
[20:21] <ChrisWoollard> [TOPIC] Quickshot update
[20:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Quickshot update
[20:22] <jenkins> It functions enough to create the screenshots for the next release, I could do with a list as I have yet to install latex
[20:22] <jenkins> *list of screenshots
[20:22] <godbyk> (Okay, I've pasted the emails and resumes that we've received so far to http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/.)
[20:22] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk. We will come back to that.
[20:23] <jenkins> I am trying to fix a bug  with the contributor details but not managed yet as flan did a rewrite
[20:23] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: np.
[20:23] <jenkins> I will get my head around it though.
[20:23] <jenkins> we could do with some more people. Nothing much eles to say
[20:24] <jenkins> where did the website get to?
[20:24] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins: Is there any documentation on Quickshot?
[20:24] <jenkins> no afraid not
[20:25] <daker_> jenkins, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org
[20:25] <jenkins> daker_ how about the quickshot one
[20:26] <daker_> it's almost complete
[20:26] <jenkins> nice :)
[20:26] <ChrisWoollard> Okay. Maybe then we should collect a list of chapters and get volunteers to get a list of screenshots for that chapter?
[20:26] <ChrisWoollard> to spread the load a little
[20:26] <jenkins> I will install latex in the mean while
[20:27] <ChrisWoollard> Jenkins: What exactly do you need screenshot wise?
[20:27] <jenkins> the resolution we want the at, sicking with 1024x768?
[20:28] <ChrisWoollard> yes. for now.
[20:28] <RawChid> Hey, I just fall into this, but what did you mean by < jenkins> we could do with some more people.
[20:28] <jenkins> a description of them and the aplication
[20:28] <jenkins> Well I dont have much time so people willing to code python and create docs for quickshot would be great
[20:28] <RawChid> Okay
[20:29] <RawChid> So you need developers
[20:29] <jenkins> yep, my python is basic at best
[20:29] <dutchie> i have been known to poke at python from time to time
[20:29]  * dutchie downloads source code
[20:30] <jenkins> sounds good. shall we move to another topic?
[20:30] <jenkins> ls
[20:30] <ChrisWoollard> I'll send out a list of chapters to the mailing list
[20:30] <dutchie> looks like we can head back to jobs stuff now godbyk got the things online?
[20:31] <ChrisWoollard> with the requirements and ask for voluteers to review what we need
[20:31] <ChrisWoollard> [action] ChrisWoollard to send out to the mailing list screenshot requiremnts and ask for volunteers to review
[20:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ChrisWoollard to send out to the mailing list screenshot requiremnts and ask for volunteers to review
[20:32] <jenkins> are there any cahnges from 10.04?
[20:32] <ChrisWoollard> [topic] Feedback on jobs part 2
[20:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Feedback on jobs part 2
[20:33] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins: yes, installer, plus some app changes
[20:33] <godbyk> I've pasted the text of the emails and the attached resumes/CVs here: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/
[20:33] <godbyk> We had two applicants for the project leader role and three applicants for the editor in chief role.
[20:34] <dutchie> well i suppose the first thing is whether we leave applications open or not
[20:34] <c7p> godbyk: the advertisement has been done through the uk podacast ?
[20:34] <dutchie> then how we choose between applicants
[20:34] <dutchie> c7p: i believe so, yes
[20:34] <ChrisWoollard> plus the planet
[20:35] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard handled the advertising. We had an announcement on the UK podcast and also posted to Planet Ubuntu.
[20:35] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Were there any other adverts?
[20:35] <c7p> ok thx
[20:35] <ChrisWoollard> the mailing list
[20:35] <godbyk> Ah, right. And the Ubuntu Manual mailing list.
[20:36] <ChrisWoollard> I also believe I Tweeted it to #Ubuntu
[20:37] <godbyk> Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
[20:37] <dutchie> @TheUbuntuManual didn't tweet it though
[20:37] <manualbot> dutchie: Error: "TheUbuntuManual" is not a valid command.
[20:37] <dutchie> cough
[20:37] <dutchie> silly manualbot
[20:37] <godbyk> dutchie: Yeah, I can't find the password for that account. I'll have to email Ben about that.
[20:37] <ChrisWoollard> no. I think we were looking for the logins for that
[20:38] <ChrisWoollard> [ACTION] Godbyk to e-mail Ben to get the logins to our Twitter account :)
[20:38] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Godbyk to e-mail Ben to get the logins to our Twitter account :)
[20:38] <jenkins> I think I may have the login some where
[20:38] <c7p> if the jobs are still open to new applicants then maybe we should update the facebook about the advertisements and also send a mail to OMG!Ubuntu guys, probably to Ben
[20:39] <ChrisWoollard> Any thoughts on the applicants
[20:39] <godbyk> Action completed. :-)
[20:39] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[20:39] <ChrisWoollard> If we are going to leave it open then the webpage should be modified
[20:39] <ChrisWoollard> to remove the date.
[20:40] <c7p> yes you are right
[20:40] <jenkins> does that not imply we do not like any of the candiates that have appled so far?
[20:41] <c7p> no
[20:41] <ChrisWoollard> We haven't heard any feedback yet
[20:41] <godbyk> jenkins: Not necessarily. It'd be nice to have a larger pool of applicants, though.  And we should probably have advertised it more widely.
[20:41] <c7p> the fact is that i didn't knew about the adv to promote it, maybe there are many other people out there that are also interested
[20:41] <jenkins> sure, just putting a thought out there
[20:42] <ChrisWoollard> We should change it so that people know it is community and not paid ;)
[20:42] <c7p> i think the more options we have the better for the project
[20:42] <ChrisWoollard> agreed
[20:43] <godbyk> It sounds like most people think we should extend the deadline.  If so, what's the new proposed deadline?
[20:43] <ChrisWoollard> another 2 weeks?
[20:43] <c7p> two weeks max
[20:44] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: can you adjust the dates on the webpage?
[20:44] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Sure.
[20:44] <godbyk> So the new deadline is Friday, 25 March?
[20:45] <ChrisWoollard> [Action] Godbyk to update the Job Advertisment (+2 weeks)
[20:45] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Godbyk to update the Job Advertisment (+2 weeks)
[20:45] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[20:45] <godbyk> done
[20:45] <ChrisWoollard> Can you also make it so it sounds less like it is paid.
[20:46] <godbyk> Yeah, I'll put a note at the top.
[20:46] <godbyk> Just a moment.
[20:46] <godbyk> (Have to find the proper css class.)
[20:46] <ChrisWoollard> Where should we send it?
[20:46] <ChrisWoollard> Ben @ omgubuntu
[20:47] <ChrisWoollard> maybe the Linux Outlaws podcast?
[20:47] <ChrisWoollard> that was weird. got kicked out
[20:48] <ChrisWoollard> any other marketing ideas?
[20:48] <c7p> at Ben, maybe post it to ubuntuforums and wherever everyone of us can
[20:48] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: How's the note at the top of http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs sound?
[20:49] <ChrisWoollard> That should do it. :D
[20:49] <godbyk> I tried to be as clear as possible. :)
[20:49] <ChrisWoollard> It is probably so obvious that people won't see it
[20:49] <c7p> should we add also editors, writters to the job list ? Natty release is near
[20:50] <c7p> ChrisWoollard: haha
[20:51] <ChrisWoollard> As we have Jenkins here, maybe he could review the quickshot job description
[20:51] <ChrisWoollard> c7p: do you have the link?
[20:51] <c7p> hm just a moment
[20:52] <godbyk> If we get some Quickshot developers on board, we'll need to be able to send them to jenkins or flan or someone to get them started.
[20:52] <godbyk> jenkins: Will you be able to help new developers get up to speed?
[20:52] <ChrisWoollard> I'll mail Ben and the Linux Outlaws people about the jobs
[20:52] <jenkins> I can't explain the code very much faln did most/ all of it
[20:52] <c7p> oh no ! typewithme removed all pads !
[20:53] <jenkins> I can explain the theory and release syetem
[20:53] <ChrisWoollard> [action] Chris Woollard to mail Ben and Linux outlaws for marketing
[20:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Chris Woollard to mail Ben and Linux outlaws for marketing
[20:53] <ChrisWoollard> maybe they get aged out on that site
[20:54] <ChrisWoollard> anything else or next topic
[20:54] <c7p> 3/12/2011 - Typewith.me experienced a database crash. We are  currently working on restoring old pads to a seperate site, and will  post a link if and when that data becomes available!
[20:54] <c7p> next topic
[20:55] <godbyk> I haven't had a change to do anything with docbook yet.  I'll take another stab at that this week.
[20:55] <godbyk> s/change/chance/g
[20:55] <ChrisWoollard> ok
[20:55] <ChrisWoollard> np
[20:55] <ChrisWoollard> new contributors?
[20:55] <ChrisWoollard> anything for that?
[20:56] <ChrisWoollard> [topic] New Contributors
[20:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  New Contributors
[20:56] <ChrisWoollard> ?
[20:56] <c7p> that's relevant to the previous topic
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> we probably covered all that
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> next
[20:57] <c7p> yes
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> [topic] Docbook
[20:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Docbook
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> [action] Godbyk to continue investigating
[20:57] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Godbyk to continue investigating
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> [topic] 11.04 writing
[20:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  11.04 writing
[20:58] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk
[20:58] <godbyk> Yes?
[20:58] <ChrisWoollard> weren't you going to branch 10.10?
[20:58] <godbyk> I can, yeah.
[20:58] <godbyk> Are we effectively at a writing freeze there?  (i.e., is it a good time to branch, or should I wait?)
[20:58] <ChrisWoollard> at least then we can say to people that we can review and update the text
[20:58] <godbyk> Or should we wait until we've made a decision re: docbook?
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> I don't know.
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> There was an item to the mailing list about collaborating more with the doc team
[21:00] <godbyk> Yeah, it's still sitting in my inbox. I want to write Phil back.
[21:00] <godbyk> I'm always up for collaboration.
[21:00] <godbyk> Our last conversation just kind of petered out, I think.
[21:01] <ChrisWoollard> Does anybody have views on branching now or waiting until maverick is complete?
[21:01] <ChrisWoollard> Actually
[21:02] <ChrisWoollard> Lets defer until next meeting.
[21:02] <godbyk> Okay.
[21:02] <ChrisWoollard> If we can get the screenshots going in the next 2 weeks, that might help us
[21:02] <godbyk> I'll have a better idea as far as docbook goes by then.
[21:02] <c7p> yes
[21:03] <ChrisWoollard> [action] Defer 11.04 branch until next meeting. Pending screenshot work and docbook review
[21:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Defer 11.04 branch until next meeting. Pending screenshot work and docbook review
[21:03] <ChrisWoollard> [topic] Any Other Business
[21:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[21:04] <ChrisWoollard> does anybody have anything?
[21:04] <godbyk> Nothing from me.
[21:04] <c7p> i have
[21:05] <c7p> i said it to the previous meeting also
[21:05] <c7p> what is it going with translations ? maverick is available for translation
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> What was that? I forget
[21:06] <c7p> have you looked upon removing the option of translating it ?
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> Don't we have to wait for the writing freeze first
[21:06] <godbyk> c7p: I haven't done anything with translations.  Do you have permissions to modify the settings?  If so, I'd say just jump in and fix it.
[21:06] <c7p> godbyk i don't have permission
[21:07] <godbyk> c7p: Okay. Do you know what the settings *should* be?  If so, let me know and I'll try to fix them.
[21:07] <c7p> nope :( i don't know
[21:07] <ChrisWoollard> You need to be in the Manual Project Admins Team i think
[21:07] <ChrisWoollard> Incidentally I am not in that either ;)
[21:08] <c7p> haha
[21:08] <godbyk> Really?!
[21:08] <godbyk> Well, I can fix that!
[21:08] <ChrisWoollard> Thanks
[21:08] <c7p> godbyk the fixer ! :D
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> Anything else
[21:09] <godbyk> Okay, ChrisWoollard and c7p: Welcome to the Ubuntu Manual Admins team.
[21:09] <godbyk> (Whatever that entails.)
[21:09] <godbyk> Go forth and make things right.
[21:09] <godbyk> Don't be evil.
[21:09] <godbyk> And don't forget to pay your dues. ;-)
[21:09] <c7p> cool :p
[21:10] <c7p> lol, ok anything else ?
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> Any Other Any Other Business?
[21:11] <godbyk> Nothing from me.
[21:11] <ChrisWoollard> [topic] Next Meeting
[21:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Meeting
[21:12] <ChrisWoollard> 2 Weeks?
[21:12] <c7p> yes
[21:12] <godbyk> Works for me.
[21:12] <jenkins> I will do my best to be there
[21:13] <ChrisWoollard> Does anybody feel like organising it?
[21:13] <ChrisWoollard> i.e. Sorting out the notes / mailing list / doodle etc
[21:13] <c7p> i can
[21:14] <ChrisWoollard> Lovely.
[21:14] <c7p> but one thing
[21:14] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[21:14] <c7p> please add items to the agenda guys :) we are an open project
[21:14] <c7p> that's it
[21:15] <ChrisWoollard> [action] All Team Members - Add agenda items if you have a point to make
[21:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  All Team Members - Add agenda items if you have a point to make
[21:15] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[21:15] <c7p> xD nice
[21:15] <godbyk> And then be sure to attend that meeting so you can present your agenda items.
[21:16] <godbyk> ('cause if I'm running the meeting and you've added an agenda item, I may not know what you were thinking about when you wrote it.)
[21:16] <ChrisWoollard> Also, Does anybody want to write up the minutes for the wiki?
[21:16]  * jenkins is getting there on bug #691511
[21:16] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 691511 in quickshot "Crash after pressing screenshot submit button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691511
[21:17] <ChrisWoollard> Okay, fair enough. I will write up the minutes.
[21:17] <ChrisWoollard> #endmeeting
[21:17] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:17.
[21:17] <jenkins> thanks ChrisWoollard
[21:17] <c7p> good job ChrisWoollard
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> np
[21:18] <c7p> it was nice to see you jenkins after some months :)
[21:18] <godbyk> Yeah, thanks for coming, jenkins!
[21:18] <godbyk> Did you guys see this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/new-gwibber-user-guide-makes-mastering-social-networking-in-ubuntu-easy/
[21:18] <jenkins> thanks, I will try to hang around a bit more
[21:19] <ChrisWoollard> Jenkins: Can you write me a brief overview on quickshot. what it does, why it is so great, and maybe how to use it.
[21:19] <c7p> godbyk: interesting
[21:20] <jenkins> I will work on it ChrisWoollard, probably starting with how to use it
[21:20] <ChrisWoollard> I know you showed me a bit. but it didn't really help me understand it
[21:21] <jenkins> np I will endevor to create some instructions
[21:21] <ChrisWoollard> I want to try and get more people to understand it.
[21:22] <jenkins> makes sensecurrently there are 2 people who know how to me and faln
[21:22] <ChrisWoollard> It seems that screenshots are the main hold up at the moment for the maverick manual
[21:22] <jenkins> :( sorry my fauk
[21:22] <jenkins> *fault
[21:23] <ChrisWoollard> Not totally. We as a team have neglected that side of things. So don't really know anything obout quickshot.
[21:25] <ChrisWoollard> So, with any luck we can change that. and get us going again :)
[21:25] <ChrisWoollard> On a seperate note. How are you? It has been a long time since you have been seen.
[21:27] <jenkins> I haev been nipping in and out quite alot, but i am good my placement is going well. Running a scout section is by biggested time consumer
[21:28] <jenkins> *by far
[21:28]  * jenkins should haev checked that
[21:28] <ChrisWoollard> Scouts... As in.... dib dib dib
[21:28] <jenkins> yes
[21:28] <ChrisWoollard> cool.
[21:28] <jenkins> its good I have been doing it for year
[21:28] <jenkins> s
[21:29] <jenkins> but came back home for placement as my local one was falling apart
[21:29] <jenkins> so been working hard to recover it
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> That is really good.
[21:30] <jenkins> you been up to much
[21:32] <ChrisWoollard> Not too much. I have been working on the Ubuntu Manual, I bit on the Developer Manual + my own life.
[21:32] <ChrisWoollard> I haven't had that much time recently.
[21:33] <jenkins> cool, lets hope we can get the manul going again
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> i hope so.
[21:49] <c7p> ChrisWoollard, godbyk: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMP-Editor-Writter
[21:49] <c7p> a description for the editors and authors, make any proper modifications, corrections
[21:50] <c7p> it's not the one that you 've written -database is down- but it resembles
[21:55] <c7p> you can check it, correct it and add it to job list too
[21:57] <c7p> i g2g good evening
[22:19] <jenkins> night all
[22:19] <ChrisWoollard> g'night