[15:00] <ogra> moo
[15:01] <NCommander> #startmeeting
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[15:02]  * rsalveti waves
[15:02]  * NCommander waves
[15:02] <NCommander> who's here this morning?
[15:02] <janimo_> hello
[15:02]  * GrueMaster is not.
[15:03] <NCommander> GrueMaster: I know the feeling
[15:04] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20110127
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20110127
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] Action Items from last meeting
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Items from last meeting
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co)
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs (co)
[15:04] <NCommander> c/o
[15:05] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[15:05] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:05] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:06] <NCommander> Burndown charts are looking better and are close to the trendline
[15:06]  * davidm is finally back hom
[15:07] <NCommander> morning davidm
[15:07]  * NCommander pokes everyone else
[15:07] <NCommander> no other comments on burndown charts?
[15:07] <ogra> Wi look okayish
[15:07] <ogra> i just closed my last one
[15:07] <NCommander> ogra: yay :-)
[15:08] <ogra> NCommander, you are actively working on yours i guess :)
[15:08] <NCommander> ogra: I hit a wall (more on that later)
[15:08] <NCommander> anyone else for comments?
[15:08] <ogra> did you talk to doko/linaro ?
[15:08] <ogra> rsalveti, are you likely to do all these package tests before A" ?
[15:09] <ogra> *A2
[15:09] <rsalveti> ogra: for qt, probably not, but I'm moving to the others now
[15:09] <rsalveti> lot easier
[15:09] <NCommander> ogra: not yet. I was waiting on confirmation on a maverick Qt 4.7.1 before I raise the 'its a compielr issue' alarm, but that built ICEd sometime in the middle of the night
[15:09] <ogra> and what about RAOFs items ?
[15:09] <rsalveti> for qt I need to rebuild all the packages that uses the gles backend
[15:09] <rsalveti> to see if it's going to break or not
[15:09] <rsalveti> and are all huge (kde ones)
[15:09] <rsalveti> so takes time
[15:09] <rsalveti> ogra: just moved to alpha 3
[15:09] <rsalveti> not important for now
[15:09] <ogra> great
[15:10] <ogra> GrueMaster, what about your checkbox tests ?
[15:10] <ogra> move or finish this week ?
[15:10] <GrueMaster> Will bump today.
[15:10] <ogra> wohoo
[15:10] <ogra> seems we look really good for A2 then
[15:11]  * NCommander reset his to INPROGRESS
[15:11] <NCommander> I keep forgetting we have that state
[15:11] <ogra> janimo_, if you need help with debian-cd NCommander and i have access to the builer machine
[15:11] <GrueMaster> ogra: Bumped to A3.
[15:11] <NCommander> fixed
[15:11] <ogra> though i must admit i'm not fully in the code since the crontab cleanup
[15:12] <ogra> validity checking for flavours changed
[15:12] <janimo_> ogra, thanks, I will probably ask for help in various forms
[15:12] <ogra> k
[15:12] <janimo_> but I need to figure out how to properly test locally
[15:12] <ogra> NCommander is probably deeper in the current code, but he will be busy with the QT issue
[15:13] <ogra> NCommander, move ?
[15:13] <NCommander> k
[15:13] <NCommander> [topic] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <rsalveti> I have 2 that are already fixed released
[15:14]  * NCommander needs to fix that link
[15:14] <GrueMaster> I'll be working on a new list tomorrow F2F with bmurry.
[15:14] <ogra> NCommander, only if we have a new list
[15:14] <NCommander> likewise-open is an annoying one that reopened
[15:14] <NCommander> Wish it would stay closed for a cycle
[15:14] <ogra> (which is what GrueMaster refers to i think)
[15:14] <NCommander> will track that after Qt is fixed
[15:15] <ogra> NCommander, unassign :)
[15:15] <ogra> its desktop or server team
[15:15] <ogra> you shouldnt be assigned to it
[15:15] <rsalveti> ogra: any news about the qt package update?
[15:15] <rsalveti> to check the neon bug
[15:15] <NCommander> ogra: I've always been assigned to this one since its a porting bug
[15:15] <ogra> rsalveti, Riddell just told me it should be there any minute (two days ago)
[15:16] <Riddell> upstream are promising it soon but won't say any more
[15:16] <ogra> so i guess someone is working on it atm
[15:16] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[15:16] <ogra> NCommander, right, and you provided a patch, thats enough, package maintenance is supposed to be done by either desktop or server
[15:17] <NCommander> k
[15:17] <ogra> NCommander, find out which of the teams has the package and assign to the team
[15:17] <NCommander> will reassign
[15:17] <NCommander> server
[15:17] <NCommander> that I do know
[15:17] <ogra> i think its desktop
[15:17] <ogra> by say of mdz
[15:17] <ogra> (i remember a discussion when he lead the server team)
[15:17] <ogra> but ask pitti or robbiew
[15:18] <rsalveti> ogra: I think you still have the old alsa-utils bug
[15:18] <NCommander> k
[15:18] <rsalveti> but it's fix released
[15:18] <rsalveti> and it shouldn't
[15:18] <ogra> i do :(
[15:18] <ogra> its fix released for the kernel part
[15:18] <ogra> we should probably just open a new one for alsa-utils
[15:18] <rsalveti> ogra: hm, so we should open it or repen for the package
[15:19] <ogra> since that old bug got a lot of confusion in it
[15:19] <rsalveti> at least we're able to track it then
[15:19] <ogra> right
[15:19] <ogra> re-open then
[15:19] <rsalveti> janimo_: any news on the banshee bug?
[15:19]  * ogra saw some testing of the new upstream
[15:20] <ogra> that didnt look good
[15:20] <rsalveti> yeah, I remember something similar
[15:20] <NCommander> The underlying root cause is our mono stack is still foobar'ed. Someone needs to sitdown, and run the test suite failures
[15:21] <rsalveti> NCommander: you said you could do that in the past :P
[15:21] <rsalveti> as you seems to like fixing mono issues
[15:21] <NCommander> rsalveti: it keeps getting pre-empted by other things.
[15:21] <NCommander> also, like is the wrong word :-P
[15:21] <ogra> unity-2d vs QT is more important atm
[15:21] <rsalveti> sure
[15:21] <robbiew> ogra: FYI, while I believe desktop is the new owner of likewise-open...zul has resolved the issue and is uploading now
[15:21] <ogra> yeah, like is the wrong word
[15:21] <ogra> should have been LOVE :)
[15:22] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:22] <rsalveti> move?
[15:22] <ogra> NCommander, see, one item less on your plate ^^^
[15:22] <NCommander> ogra: don't make me hit you
[15:22] <janimo_> rsalveti, it happensa with 1.9.2 too
[15:22] <NCommander> robbiew: thanks for the confirmation
[15:22] <janimo_> I am almost sure it is a mono bug not banshee
[15:22] <rsalveti> weee :-)
[15:23] <janimo_> as the backtraces have  wildly different contents sometimes
[15:23] <janimo_> within CIL, SIGILLS, etc
[15:23] <rsalveti> must be fun to debug mono
[15:23] <ogra> thats just to entertain the debugger ;)
[15:23] <NCommander> janimo_: if you want to take a stab at it, and don't value your sanity, get me off meeting and we'll step through as far as I got
[15:23] <ogra> they add random messages ;)
[15:23] <janimo_> rsalveti, indeed, I do not yet know how to debug mono C#/C combination with gdb
[15:23] <janimo_> but I guess it's something I'll find out :)
[15:23] <ogra> i guess a talk with NCommander would help
[15:23] <NCommander> janimo_: I'm pretty sure the issue itself is in the C code with the trampoleans, etc.
[15:24] <ogra> he made some progress in the past
[15:24] <janimo_> NCommander, ok
[15:24] <rsalveti> yup
[15:24] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D Status
[15:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D Status
[15:24] <ogra> looks goood
[15:24] <NCommander> Broken on ARM :-/
[15:24] <ogra> MIRs filed
[15:24] <NCommander> ogra: thanks for handling that
[15:24] <NCommander> I'm running down the natty regresison
[15:24] <ogra> broken on arm, but not unity-2d's fault
[15:24] <NCommander> ogra: indeed, but its a bit of a wall banger
[15:24] <ogra> i hope it doesnt block the MIrs
[15:25] <NCommander> I've got a dialog open w/ linaro on it ATM, but probably going to need to run some more test builds of Qt
[15:25] <GrueMaster> Shouldn't.  It works on x86.
[15:25] <ogra> and i also hope the new QT might gain us something
[15:25] <ogra> but that might be a moot hope
[15:25] <NCommander> especially if it stoolchain
[15:25] <ogra> GrueMaster, a MIR requires that it builds and runs on all supported arches
[15:25] <rsalveti> ogra: I was thinking that the lack of proper translation would be worse for blocking mir than the seg fault issue
[15:26] <ogra> the translation has a milestoned upstream bug
[15:26] <rsalveti> as it's going to be used as the default ui for arm
[15:26] <ogra> should be fixed before natty
[15:26] <ogra> (botzh bugs are mentioned in the MIR)
[15:27] <rsalveti> yup, saw that
[15:27] <ogra> there goes your alter ego ;)
[15:27] <janimo_> NCommander, I can also look into QT debugging. I am just fresh out of a LibO debugging spree, so large C++ codebases failing in weird ways on arm no longer scare me as much as they used to
[15:27] <ogra> it would be good to have tracked it down before A2
[15:27] <NCommander> janimo_: you should look at the current dialog in #linaro
[15:27]  * janimo_ just found the cause of OO/Libo FTBFS
[15:27] <janimo_> NCommander, ok
[15:28] <ogra> since i would like to switch the images to unity-2d
[15:28] <NCommander> janimo_: isn't debugging OOo fun :-)
[15:28] <NCommander> ogra: I think realistically, we're looking at A3 for that
[15:28] <ogra> i guess libO makes it easier already
[15:28] <ogra> NCommander, well, wer should try at least
[15:28] <ogra> *we
[15:28] <ogra> we still have a week
[15:29] <NCommander> ogra: true, but I rather us cross the finish line with a well tested stack then push it into a2 at the very last possible moment
[15:30] <ogra> NCommander, if there are chances it works i'm fine getting images with untested stack
[15:30] <janimo_> NCommander, OTOH the sooner we push out thew more testers
[15:30] <ogra> right
[15:30] <ogra> thats what i mean
[15:30] <davidm> I agree with ogra and janimo_
[15:30] <ogra> but there needs to be at least a chance
[15:30] <NCommander> */2cents*
[15:30] <ogra> i wont switch if its clearly broken indeed
[15:31] <ogra> if its toolchain it would also help to have it identified before the new QT hits the archive
[15:31] <ogra> to prevent rebuilds
[15:31] <ogra> anyway, thats all from my side wrt unity-2d
[15:32]  * NCommander has nothing additional to add
[15:33] <NCommander> actually
[15:33] <NCommander> one thing
[15:33] <NCommander> I just got pointed at Qt's unit tests
[15:33] <NCommander> Will try and run with them after the meeting to confirm/deny a hosed Qt
[15:33] <ogra> ++
[15:33] <NCommander> (or more specifically, if I'm looking at a regression due to changed assembly)
[15:33] <ogra> the earlier we identify the better
[15:34] <ogra> move ?
[15:34] <rsalveti> move
[15:34] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:34] <rsalveti> NCommander: my name
[15:34] <ogra> and rsalveti :)
[15:34] <rsalveti> again
[15:34] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:34] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[15:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti)
[15:34] <NCommander> ahem :-)
[15:35] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:35] <rsalveti> for omap 3 we just got an upload for a 38 based kernel
[15:35] <ogra> do we know where we stand wrt 2.6.38 on omap4 ?
[15:35] <ogra> and who finally does it
[15:35] <rsalveti> apw pointed the link to the already built deb, will give it a try on xm now
[15:35] <davidm> ogra, TI has just started working on it
[15:35] <rsalveti> ogra: for omap 4 that is still one open question
[15:35] <ogra> its nearly feb.
[15:35] <ogra> would be good to have something soon
[15:35] <davidm> and Linaro has just hired a gent to help
[15:36] <rsalveti> at least at the rally they said they were building the linaro landing team to work on that
[15:36] <ogra> ah, good
[15:36] <rsalveti> or at least to help on that
[15:36] <rsalveti> so work is probably being made
[15:36] <ogra> right
[15:36] <davidm> New Linaro gent is Andy Green
[15:36] <ogra> as long as we can get binaries before A3 i'm happy
[15:36] <davidm> Started work this week
[15:36] <ogra> i hope they dont build linaro packages but usable ubuntu packages
[15:36] <rsalveti> current ti status for the current kernel tree (35 based) is 4 releases ahead of us
[15:37] <rsalveti> mostly to make it work on ES2.2
[15:37] <ogra> (with security and SRU support)
[15:37] <rsalveti> but sebjan said it's still not stable, so not ready for merge
[15:37] <rsalveti> ogra: hm, don't know if we'll get it before A3
[15:37] <ogra> davidm, do you know anything about that ?
[15:37] <ogra> (SRU and security ... and also ubuntu-kernel compliance)
[15:37] <rsalveti> current upstream kind of work, but missing display drivers and a lot of other stuff useful for desktop
[15:38] <ogra> i'm a tad scared that they will only build linaro kernels
[15:38] <rsalveti> I'm not that sure
[15:38] <davidm> OMAP 4, I think it will be iffy to have it by A3 but I have some hope
[15:38] <davidm> We will get an Ubuntu kernel from TI/Linaro
[15:38] <ogra> good
[15:38] <rsalveti> yup
[15:39] <rsalveti> for Maverick, we got a new update for the main kernel
[15:39] <rsalveti> closing some quite old SRUs
[15:39] <ogra> finally
[15:39] <rsalveti> like bug 688765
[15:39] <rsalveti> and others
[15:39] <rsalveti> yeah, sru is taking quite some time
[15:40] <rsalveti> guess that's most of it
[15:40] <ogra> well, to keep tobin busy :)
[15:40] <rsalveti> brian is still working on the mem instability issue
[15:40] <GrueMaster> hey.
[15:40] <rsalveti> but no other news
[15:40] <ogra> move ?
[15:41] <rsalveti> move
[15:41] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:41] <GrueMaster> Testing daily unity-2d builds on maverick due to the QT natty issue.
[15:42] <GrueMaster> Testing other apps using the une-efl on natty.
[15:42] <GrueMaster> Other than that, waiting on replacement XM (shipping).
[15:43] <ogra> images work fine ?
[15:43] <ogra> i also think we can start ignoring une-efl bugs
[15:43] <GrueMaster> After the latest jasper-initramfs fix, so far so good.  Testing today's now to see if the une-efl session was fixed.
[15:44] <GrueMaster> I'm only using it until unity-2d is usable on natty.
[15:44] <ogra> right, indeed file bugs as you see them
[15:44] <ogra> i just mean fixing
[15:44] <ogra> isnt worth to put team energy into that
[15:44] <ogra> better focus on getting unity-2d fixed
[15:45] <GrueMaster> Not much I can do there.  I'm available to run tests though.  :P
[15:45] <rsalveti> yup
[15:45] <rsalveti> but that was the only main issue we had
[15:45] <rsalveti> and until having something with unity-2d, was good to fix
[15:45] <ogra> une-efl should be handled by community (speak up if you are community and intrested in taking it over :) )
[15:46]  * ogra hopes he made emmet happy with that ;)
[15:46] <ogra> move ?
[15:46] <GrueMaster> Until unity-2d is on the image, some support for une-efl needs to remain.
[15:46] <rsalveti> move
[15:46] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander)
[15:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander)
[15:46] <rsalveti> and janimo_
[15:46] <NCommander> <- *see previous Unity 2D discussion*
[15:46] <ogra> you do that alone now ?
[15:46] <NCommander> ugh
[15:47] <NCommander> need to update the dman termplate
[15:47] <NCommander> ahem
[15:47] <ogra> awesome
[15:47] <ogra> so janimo_ is free for other stuff
[15:47] <ogra> :P
[15:47] <janimo_> :)
[15:47] <rsalveti> :P
[15:47] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:47] <ogra> heh
[15:47] <NCommander> ogra: janimo_ is free, i want janimo :-)
[15:47]  * NCommander runs
[15:47] <ogra> i want both of them
[15:47] <ogra> four hands can work more than two ;)
[15:48] <ogra> any status ?
[15:48] <janimo_> some progress on haskell stuff
[15:48] <ogra> cool
[15:48] <janimo_> but lately takeon over by others
[15:48] <ogra> i saw a ton of syncs/uploads
[15:48] <janimo_> Laney and other haskelly people
[15:48] <ogra> yep
[15:48] <janimo_> LibO fixed wil hopefuly be in 3.3.1
[15:49] <Laney> should be fine
[15:49] <ogra> Laney, great work
[15:49] <janimo_> some NEW pending to unlock some other package to be asble to build darcs
[15:49] <janimo_> and then the unavoidable failures because of swapping on the builders
[15:49] <ogra> sigh
[15:49] <janimo_> deferred until something with more than 512M is available
[15:50] <ogra> isnt that just timeouts ?
[15:50] <Laney> just ordering and stuff, you can follow on http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/haskell-installability/armel.png
[15:50] <ogra> i thought lamont has a whitelist for that
[15:50] <janimo_> ogra, yes, but I am not sure what the timeout is supposed to be if we don;t know how much it is swapping
[15:50] <janimo_> timeout was raised to 300 min from 150
[15:51] <janimo_> but a few packages are still taking longer
[15:51] <ogra> well, just double them with every build until you find a working solution
[15:51] <Laney> thanks for caring about universe stuff btw :-)
[15:51] <ogra> we need them buolt by release
[15:51] <ogra> *built
[15:51] <ogra> and its not clear when we get pandas
[15:51] <janimo_> ogra, I hope by releae we get at least one bettee build server
[15:51] <janimo_> even one [anda would help a lot
[15:51] <ogra> and even then the cluster isnt built yet
[15:52] <lamont> there's the other issue that when the machine goes through the swapstorm, launchpad sometimes decides that it's gone away and throws in the towel and goes to the next builder so it can timeout in several hours
[15:52] <ogra> bah
[15:52]  * lamont is working on those timeouts too
[15:52] <ogra> well, as soon as we get pandas they will go to davidm (i hope) and not to the DC
[15:52] <janimo_> ogra, you have an extra panda, you should hook it in the buildds ;)
[15:53] <ogra> i already sent my spare panda to lamont :P
[15:53] <janimo_> oh
[15:53] <ogra> but that was a pre-release and didnt work
[15:53] <lamont> ah.  grumichama
[15:53] <ogra> not sure that was ever worked around
[15:53] <lamont> if we haven't already, we can send that one back if you want it
[15:53] <ogra> nah
[15:54] <ogra> probably to davidm
[15:54] <ogra> i dont want it collecting dust here
[15:54] <GrueMaster> I think TI wanted the pre-2.0 8L boards back.
[15:55] <ogra> then david is the best bet to drop it off there
[15:55] <ogra> anyway, offtopic
[15:55] <rsalveti> and we're running out of time
[15:55] <ogra> move
[15:55] <lamont> janimo_: meanwhile, pester me later today and I'll bump the sbuild timeout before the next round of mass-giveback
[15:56] <janimo_> lamont, ok
[15:56] <ogra> NCommander, stop watching #linaro !
[15:56] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:56]  * janimo_ set up a timer task titled 'pester lamont'
[15:56] <ogra> they are there ;)
[15:56] <NCommander> ogra: that was a case of bad lad
[15:56] <NCommander> *lag
[15:57] <ogra> x-loader was moved in the scripts to the new packages
[15:57] <ogra> as soon as i have confirmation they actually ended up on the images we can remove the old packages
[15:57] <rsalveti> yup, doing that now
[15:58] <ogra> beyond that we had a mis-build due to archive skew two days ago
[15:58] <ogra> all other images up to today have built fine
[15:58] <ogra> move ... unless there are questions
[15:58] <ogra> NCommander, HURRY UP !!
[15:58] <ogra> :)
[15:58] <rsalveti> ..?
[15:58] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:59] <ogra> NCommander, 2 MINS
[15:59] <ogra> hrm
[15:59] <ogra> my caps key freaks out
[15:59] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: give him a hard ping
[15:59] <ogra> with a hammer
[15:59] <rsalveti> lol
[15:59] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:59] <ogra> nothing here
[16:00]  * NCommander has nothing
[16:00]  * NCommander needs to reboot badly
[16:00] <NCommander> closing meeting in
[16:00] <NCommander> 1
[16:00] <ogra> NCommander, close ?
[16:00] <NCommander> 2
[16:00] <ogra> ah
[16:00] <NCommander> 3
[16:00] <GrueMaster> Actually, try not to reboot badly.  Makes your system slow down.
[16:00] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:00.
[16:00] <ogra> timing \o/
[19:02] <charlie-tca> are we all here?
[19:02] <micahg> o/
[19:02] <MichealH> o/
[19:03]  * MichealH is hoping to vote on the xubuntu leader
[19:03]  * pleia2 waves
[19:03] <MichealH> Maybe nominate myself?
[19:03] <knome>  o_
[19:03] <knome>  |/
[19:03] <knome> /'\
[19:03] <micahg> MichealH: there was only one nomination
[19:03] <vinnl> 0/
[19:03] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:03] <micahg> this is more of a coronation vote :)
[19:03] <MichealH> Reall?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> formalize the thing
[19:03] <MichealH> charlie-tca: Can I nominate myself?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:03. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:04] <knome> MichealH, not any more.
[19:04] <mr_pouit> \o
[19:04] <charlie-tca> The full meeting agenda is available for your viewing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:04] <MichealH> o/
[19:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:05] <charlie-tca> As far as I recall, there isn't any?
[19:06] <pleia2> I think you're right
[19:06] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates - Team Leads
[19:06] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Packaging & Development
[19:06] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: floor's yours
[19:07] <mr_pouit> ok, last week: uploaded Xfce 4.8
[19:07] <charlie-tca> w00t!
[19:07] <pleia2> woohoo!
[19:07] <mr_pouit> this week, the focus has been on xubuntu-default-settings and xubuntu-artwork
[19:07] <charlie-tca> We like that!
[19:07] <beardygnome> hi all, have i missed much?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> just starting
[19:08] <charlie-tca> \o
[19:08] <charlie-tca> I have a question, mr_pouit
[19:09] <mr_pouit> yes?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Are we going to try to backport xfce4.8 to maverick and lucid?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> or at least get a PPA for them?
[19:11] <mr_pouit> possible, micahg spoke about that a few meetings ago
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Got a lot of users asking
[19:11] <mr_pouit> I would rather wait for the first bugfix releases though
[19:11]  * micahg is willing to help
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Okay, that's fine then.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> At least we will have an answer
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Thank you, mr_pouit. Are there any questions?
[19:13] <knome> mr_pouit, will xfce 4.8 be backported to dapper?
[19:13] <mr_pouit> eww, I don't think so :P
[19:13] <micahg> dapper is EOL in 5 months
[19:13] <knome> damn! have to update then...
[19:13] <pleia2> lol
[19:13] <charlie-tca> Dapper is EOL in June for servers. It is already EOL fro desktops
[19:13] <micahg> for real this time :P
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Good question, knome. Thanks for asking that one.
[19:14] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes, but PPA uploads are still accepted for it :)
[19:14] <knome> charlie-tca, you're welcome.
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Anything else for development?
[19:14] <mr_pouit> no :)
[19:14] <knome> what about packages
[19:14] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:15] <knome> is there any consensus/work made towards new default applications?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> not yet
[19:15] <charlie-tca> other than we are keeping Thunderbird
[19:15] <knome> is there any work PLANNED to compare new default applications?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> that is on the agenda, though
[19:15] <knome> when is the "deadline"?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: when do we have to decide?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> knome: as far as I know, no one has started comparisons
[19:17] <knome> when is the last day to submit those comparisons, so we have time to test and vote?
[19:17] <micahg> After Feb 24, a release exception will be needed
[19:18] <knome> the day to submit comparisons should be way before
[19:18] <Sysi> (/me joins in) are there any plans for what apps to change/add/remove?
[19:18] <knome> Sysi, have you read the email list?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Let's get the comparisons in by the next meeting, then?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> That gives a week or two to discuss them and vote
[19:18] <Sysi> knome: not, url?
[19:18] <pleia2> Sysi: defaults thread is here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-January/thread.html#7640
[19:18] <Sysi> thanks
[19:19] <knome> Sysi, or, at http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xubuntu-devel+archives
[19:19] <charlie-tca> [IDEA] Have all comparisons in for default applications selection by February 3
[19:19] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Have all comparisons in for default applications selection by February 3
[19:20] <Sysi> knome: i was going for that
[19:21] <charlie-tca> As for testing, we have Alpha2 coming out next thursday
[19:21] <charlie-tca> We need all the help we can get testing the images.
[19:21] <knome> (brb)
[19:22] <charlie-tca> anything else on the applications, bugs, testing?
[19:22] <micahg> o/
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Go ahead, micahg
[19:22] <micahg> does 10.04.2 testing count?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:23] <micahg> thunderbird-locales needs testing in lucid-proposed
[19:23] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] thunderbird-locales needs testing in lucid-proposed
[19:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  thunderbird-locales needs testing in lucid-proposed
[19:23] <micahg> We have 3 new translations and updates for many more
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Do you have to know the languages to test it?
[19:24] <micahg> Bug #705028, New translations for Gaelic, Galician, and Serbian
[19:24] <micahg> They should be in natty alpha 2 as well, but no testing per se is needed there
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I tested the lucid-proposed docs this week. They are done for 10.04.2!
[19:25] <micahg> thanks charlie-tca
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Thanks to Book_Em_Dano for doing them
[19:26] <micahg> charlie-tca also found a new bug (not a regression) introduced in the docs, but that will be addressed after 10.04.2 is released
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg, for bringing up the thunderbird stuff. It will be easier to get things done knowing it needs it
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Okay, let's keep moving
[19:27] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:27] <charlie-tca> anyone?
[19:27] <charlie-tca> We still need a marketing director
[19:27] <charlie-tca> and it seems like a difficult job to lead, too
[19:28] <charlie-tca> pleia2: anything on the website update?
[19:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: I assume this is a volunteer position?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Yup
[19:28] <charlie-tca> all of our stuff is
[19:29] <knome> except project lead? :P
[19:29] <charlie-tca> and no, you don't get paid to put in a lot of time trying to market Xubuntu
[19:29] <charlie-tca> project lead is voluntary too, isn't it?
[19:29] <knome> but it's not like you just step up and the position is yours, right?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> neither are the rest
[19:30] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Artwork
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Hm, the only update I have on this is that greybird is now in the daily images
[19:30] <knome> also, about marketing xubuntu: in the last years, i have started to think the best way to "market" xubuntu is to produce high quality artwork and good looks. that makes people want to try xubuntu. saying xubuntu is for low-end pc's, or for those who want the most of their systems (now that everybody has 4GB of ram) is pretty much +-0
[19:30] <charlie-tca> any one have anything?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> A valid point, knome
[19:31] <knome> a good set of default applications as well as a "traditional" DE will make xubuntu stand out
[19:31] <charlie-tca> We have been trying to change the perception that Xubuntu is only for old and slow systems
[19:31] <knome> especially now when gnome is getting shells and kde4
[19:32] <charlie-tca> but it still requires a certain amount of marketing, including blogs, good reviews, user reports, posters, etc.
[19:32] <Sysi> we have a chance now because xgce 4.8 is great, unity, gnome shell and kde4 are a bit weird :P
[19:32] <Sysi> *xfce
[19:33] <knome> agreed about blogs, good reviews and user reports, but really, they should be by users, not the developer community all the time
[19:33] <knome> so we can't really affect that
[19:33] <knome> what comes to posters... i've never seen one
[19:33] <vinnl> We could encourage users to blog and spread the word
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Great idea, how?
[19:33] <Sysi> do we have any kind of idea about loco marketing?
[19:33] <knome> yes, the 'marketing' should focus on users bring involved and by offering them low-hanging fruits
[19:34] <vinnl> Provide them with a platform to blog on, perhaps
[19:34] <knome> as many of the other areas of development too
[19:34] <knome> there was this idea to put up a developer blog on xubuntu.org
[19:35] <charlie-tca> that isn't for users, though
[19:35] <knome> no.
[19:35] <Sysi> i think people like more "their level" kind of marketing
[19:35] <vinnl> On the other hand, something like this can easily turn into something with a lot of "Xubuntu doesn't keep this and this light-weight enough" of "Xubuntu doesn't include this or that application darnit"
[19:35] <vinnl> Developer blogs also cost a lot of time
[19:35] <knome> there already is developer blogs
[19:35] <knome> the idea then was to aggregate
[19:36] <charlie-tca> correct. that is why it takes a person to lead the marketing efforts and keep it going in a direction that benefits Xubuntu.
[19:36] <knome> but since cody thought xubuntu.org is only for "official" news and stories, that never came to be
[19:36] <charlie-tca> again, a developer blog on xubuntu.org is not for the users
[19:36] <Sysi> my point is that if we can't create apple-style media circus we should maybe focus on lower level
[19:37] <knome> yes, but right now the news/blog on xubuntu.org is "alpha1 released!" "alpha2 released!" "beta is here!" "10.10 is here!"
[19:37] <Sysi> i think one eager person in loco can make much
[19:37] <charlie-tca> yes, they could.
[19:38] <charlie-tca> someone want to push this to the devel ML for us? It helps to keep track of the discussion if it is threaded and readable
[19:38] <vinnl> I'm going to go now, though
[19:38] <vinnl> Good luck with the vote charlie-tca :)
[19:38] <charlie-tca> vinnl: need a news next week
[19:38] <charlie-tca> thanks
[19:38] <vinnl> What day?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> should be out thursday
[19:39] <knome> i vote a wiki page for the website discussion
[19:39] <vinnl> alpha 2?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> yes, alpha2
[19:39] <knome> easier to follow the different options etc.
[19:39] <vinnl> Noted :)
[19:39] <knome> (and opinions as well)
[19:39] <charlie-tca> great, knome. Want to take the action item for it?
[19:39] <knome> sorry, nope :)
[19:40] <vinnl> OK, bye then, good luck with the meeting
[19:40] <knome> being busy with other things so i don't think that would make much sense for me to work on it
[19:40] <knome> Sysi, maybe you could set the wikipage up
[19:40] <charlie-tca> anyone else want to take this one?
[19:41] <knome> Sysi, i can offer help when i'm available
[19:41] <Sysi> knome: i'm busy for couple of weeks, end of high school
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Okay, that will get tabled for now, then.
[19:42] <knome> let's postpone this to the next meeting then (old business) and see again then
[19:42] <charlie-tca> We need to keep moving
[19:42] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:43] <charlie-tca> We will be testing the images for 10.04.2 February 14
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Is there anything else for this?
[19:43] <micahg> o/
[19:44] <charlie-tca> go
[19:44] <knome> (a proposal for the agenda: let's move the PL vote as the next item so everybody having to leave @20UTC can join the vote)
[19:44] <charlie-tca> We are ending at 20:00 UTC anyway. so let us get this doen
[19:44] <charlie-tca> micahg:
[19:44] <knome> charlie-tca, if not, and just to be sure.. :)
[19:44] <micahg> ok, just wanted to mention that we should have Firefox 3.6.14 and Thunderbird 3.1.8 in 10.04.2
[19:45] <micahg> s/should/most likely
[19:45] <charlie-tca> We are gaining... :-)
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg
[19:46] <charlie-tca> any other news/business on 10.04.2
[19:46] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
[19:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements
[19:47] <charlie-tca> I have none this week.
[19:47] <knome> you missed two items on the agenda
[19:47] <charlie-tca> knome: the more you interrupt, the less we get done
[19:47] <knome> but i think panel launchers are not worth to discuss before we've decided the default apps
[19:48] <knome> charlie-tca, afaik, you don't have to stop typing while i type :P
[19:48] <charlie-tca> let me know when you are ready to continue now
[19:48] <knome> go on
[19:48] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Governance structure
[19:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Governance structure
[19:48] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] vote for Project Lead
[19:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  vote for Project Lead
[19:49] <charlie-tca> We have a single nomination after trying for quite a while to make something definite happen with the Xubuntu Project Lead
[19:49] <charlie-tca> The nomination is myself, as approved by the Community Council.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> As previously explained in emails to the Xubuntu development and users mailing lists, we will vote to confirm this nomination and finalize the Project Lead.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> pleia2: anything to add, as a Community Council member?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> pleia2: also, any objections received?
[19:51] <pleia2> nope, just one +1 from vinnl who couldn't make it to the meeting
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Not having a firm method of selecting the project lead, we are going to allow anyone interested in Xubuntu vote at this time.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> [VOTE] Please vote for Charlie Kravetz as the Xubuntu Project Lead
[19:52] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote for Charlie Kravetz as the Xubuntu Project Lead.
[19:52] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[19:52] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[19:52] <knome> pleia2, did you notice the mail by steve dodies?
[19:53] <knome> s/s/r/
[19:53] <pleia2> +1
[19:53] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[19:53] <micahg> +1
[19:53] <MootBot> +1 received from micahg. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:53] <pleia2> knome: yeah, it was sent to the list (not sure how voting for someone who didn't put their name forward works)
[19:53] <pleia2> he didn't send an objection though
[19:53] <knome> can i have a PM?
[19:53] <pleia2> sure
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I did respond to his email, explaining that mr_pouit turned the position down.
[19:54] <pleia2> ok, thanks charlie-tca
[19:54] <beardygnome> +1
[19:54] <MootBot> +1 received from beardygnome. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[19:54] <charlie-tca> +0
[19:54] <MootBot> Abstention received from charlie-tca. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[19:54] <micahg> charlie-tca: very noble ;)
[19:55] <MootBot> Private abstention received. 3 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Count is now 3
[19:56] <charlie-tca> micahg: thought I should do that, just for the official count.
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Are there any other persons wish to vote, please do so now
[19:57] <charlie-tca> going....
[19:57] <charlie-tca> going...
[19:57] <pleia2> ok, we'll count it as a private -1 (it's not knome)
[19:58] <knome> :)
[19:58] <pleia2> err, sorry, we got one -1
[19:58]  * pleia2 typing fail today
[19:58] <charlie-tca> that's okay. That makes it Count now 2
[19:58]  * pleia2 nods
[19:58] <charlie-tca> [ENDVOTE]
[19:58] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 3
[19:58] <knome> pleia2, the most beautiful of them all today
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Official total is 2, a carry, considering the number of participants, isn't it, pleia2 ?
[19:59] <pleia2> yep
[19:59] <charlie-tca> I will then be the official Xubuntu Project Lead, and I leave off the interim now.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for participating
[20:00] <knome> thanks and congratulations
[20:00] <knome> i have to leave now
[20:00] <charlie-tca> and, we are out of time
[20:00] <knome> see you all later
[20:00] <beardygnome> well done charlie-tca
[20:00] <charlie-tca> thank you, beardygnome
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Is there any other business to be discussed that won't wait?
[20:01] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: you deserve it after all your hard work over the past months
[20:01]  * micahg is surprised so few people voted
[20:01] <charlie-tca> I just try to do my own little bit to help out
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Me, too, micahg
[20:02] <charlie-tca> but that is the way it is...
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for attending the meeting, we will meet again next Thursday, 19:00 UTC
[20:02] <charlie-tca> [endmeeting]
[20:03] <Sysi> (you need to know kinda much about project and people to vote)
[20:03] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: i'm not sure that last command worked
[20:03] <charlie-tca> [#endmeeting]
[20:04] <evilvish> charlie-tca: its #endmeeting
[20:04] <beardygnome> does it need to be in caps?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> well, third times a charm, right
[20:04] <micahg> thanks charlie-tca and congratulations
[20:04] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:04] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:04.
[20:04] <charlie-tca> thanks, micahg
[20:04] <evilvish> charlie-tca: congrats ! :)
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Thanks, evilvish
[20:15] <MichealH> charlie-tca, Congrats
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you , MichealH
[20:16] <charlie-tca> you didn't vote?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> sorry, we been trying for 6 months to get the nominations approved and then get a vote doen.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> s/doen/done
[20:17] <pleia2> yeah, and since nominations go through the CC they can't exactly be added at last minute ;)
[20:18] <quantumbit> I approve


[04:46] <billytwowilly> Either this channel isn't very lively or only religious people that rest on Sunday are into mobile linux;)
[04:46] <StevenK> It could be both... ;-)
[04:47] <billytwowilly> heh.
[04:48] <billytwowilly> well, off to the airport to pick up my gf. Cheers.
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <nrpil> goodmorning
[08:10] <Pc_Madness> ello :)
[16:21] <smagoun> agoliveira_lunch: ping
[16:27] <agoliveira> smagoun: pong
[16:27] <smagoun> agoliveira: Did you ever the camera webcam working on your Q1?
[16:28] <agoliveira> smagoun: No. There's no driver for the camera.
[16:28] <agoliveira> smagoun: I want to get into it and write it but didin't have the time yet.
[16:28] <smagoun> It's a Ricoh R5U870, right?
[16:29] <smagoun> Apparently there's a driver here, though the site seems to be down: http://lsb.blogdns.net/ry5u870
[16:32] <agoliveira> smagoun: IIRC, it's not ricoh but something from vimicro. Bob Spencer (Intel) even contacted some guy from there about it.
[16:50] <hendrixski> hey, the links on the top seem kind of dated... is there a release of the mobile edition that I can download and run in a VM?
[17:24] <ian_brasil> it is a shame there nothing mobile related on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/
[17:47] <smagoun> ToddBrandt: ping
[17:48] <ToddBrandt> smagoun: pong
[17:48] <smagoun> ToddBrandt: I understand you have a workaround for bug #152893 ?
[17:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152893 in moblin-ui-framework "The control panel applets – screen resolution: can make X restart" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152893
[17:48] <smagoun> (X restart when accessing control panels)
[17:50] <ToddBrandt> smagoun: actually the temporary workaround was just to remove the screen resolution dialog from the control panel
[17:51] <ToddBrandt> I haven't investigated the bug yet as I have higher priority issues on my plate, do you want me to escalate it?
[17:51] <smagoun> ToddBrandt: do you have a patch for the control panel? That would be helpful. No need to escalate though.
[17:52] <ToddBrandt> smagoun: the latest moblin-applets (the one in gutsy), version 0.10, should have screen resolution removed
[17:52] <ToddBrandt> which one are you working with?
[17:52] <smagoun> great, thanks!
[17:53] <ToddBrandt> k
[17:53] <smagoun> we have 0.11. I'm just chasing down an old email thread from my boss
[17:53] <smagoun> sounds like we're all set then
[17:54] <ToddBrandt> yea, 0.11 is even better (and 0.12 will be out today and will have even more fixes)
[20:48] <ian_brasil> #155927
[20:53] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: You mean bug #155927?
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155927 in moblin-applets "cannot enable assistive technologies in ubuntu mobile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155927
[20:53] <agoliveira> :)
[20:54] <ian_brasil> good job you are around
[20:56]  * agoliveira is obotu backup


[10:26] <mdke> carlos, do you have a moment?
[10:26] <carlos> mdke, I'm a bit busy atm, but just tell me what do you need and I will answer as soon as possible :-)
[10:28] <mdke> carlos, thanks, I've noticed we have some new translations for the documentation so before I export them I have some questions. The main one is that some of the translations still say 1 or 2 TODO, but appear to be finished if I look at them.
[10:30] <carlos> mdke, can you file a bug report with all details you can give us so we can debug the problem?
[10:30] <carlos> mdke, msgfmt --statistics file.po -o /dev/null should give you the right numbers
[10:31] <mdke> ok
[10:31] <mdke> carlos, so far i'm just looking on rosetta
[10:31] <mdke> i haven't downloaded anything
[10:32] <carlos> mdke, what do you get if you select 'untranslated' ?
[10:32] <mdke> carlos, nothing because I don't have translation permissions on the file
[10:32] <mdke> carlos, but i've checked and nothing is blank
[10:33] <mdke> an example is dke> i think those issues are already more than enough ;)
[10:33] <mdke> 09:22 < jsgotangco> maybe we should move rosetta at a later date
[10:33] <mdke> damn
[10:33] <mdke> stupid paste
[10:33] <mdke> dke> i think those issues are already more than enough ;)
[10:33] <mdke> 09:22 < jsgotangco> maybe we should move rosetta at a later date
[10:33] <mdke> hmm
[10:33] <mdke> i am incapable of pasting the address ;)
[10:33] <carlos> :-)
[10:34] <mdke> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/aboutubuntu/da/+translate
[10:34] <mdke> finally pasted it
[10:34] <mdke> ah i see why
[10:35] <mdke> two of the voices have review tags on them
[10:35] <mdke> carlos, my fault
[10:36] <carlos> mdke, we are going to improve that
[10:36] <carlos> as is an UI bug...
[10:37] <mdke> carlos, is there any way I can get to see "unstranslated" on such files?
[10:37] <mdke> rather than going through them all page by page
[10:38] <mdke> for example, the French releasenotes has 1`TODO out of 127 voices, but I can't find it
[10:38] <JanC> mdke : download the po & open it in po editor   :)
[10:39] <JanC> as a workaround for now
[10:39] <mdke> no other way right now?
[10:39] <carlos> mdke, not yet, I need to show again the filter now that we changed the approach when dealing with  non editors
[10:40] <mdke> ok
[10:40] <carlos> mdke, well, I think that perhaps, you can do it manually
[10:40] <mdke> if I add my language as french will it show up?
[10:40] <carlos> mdke, add a show=untranslated argument
[10:40] <carlos> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/aboutubuntu/da/+translate?show=untranslated
[10:40] <carlos> I think it should work
[10:40] <mdke> will try
[10:41] <mdke> carlos, yay it works!
[10:41] <JanC> yes, that's nice
[10:41] <mdke> the one untranslated string for releasenotes (fr) is "Matthias Ulrichs"
[10:41] <mdke> lol
[10:42] <mdke> i will make a suggestion for that
[10:42] <carlos> JanC, I will try to get that UI part fixed this week so you don't need the hack ;-)
[10:42] <JanC> ah, nice
[10:42] <mdke> thanks for your help carlos, JanC
[10:43] <mdke> also, thanks for the export all feature
[10:43] <carlos> mdke, you are welcome
[10:43] <mdke> that's awesome
[11:01] <dholbach> hi
[11:01] <dholbach> did somebody else experience problems with logging in on launchpad/wiki?
[11:01] <mdke> i can log in to launchpad
[11:01] <mdke> not wiki tho
[11:02] <dholbach> i tried to reset my password, but it tells me, i need to validate it and that it already is validated at the same time :)
[11:02] <mdke> heh
[11:06] <dholbach> sounds like the database has a hiccup or something
[11:06] <carlos> dholbach, are you able to login into launchpad?
[11:06] <dholbach> nope
[11:06] <carlos> we are using the same id and passwords now
[11:07] <dholbach> as i said: i requested to change the password, i got the mails, everything went fine, when i needed to validate it, it told me that it was validated already
[11:07] <dholbach> when i want to log in, it tells me that it needs still validation :)
[11:08] <carlos> what's your launchpad id?
[11:08] <dholbach><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:09] <mdke> for me, login at launchpad is working while login at the wiki is not
[11:09] <carlos> dholbach, try to log in with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:10] <carlos> dholbach, the other email is added twice as validated and pending to validate, I can fix it but I prefer to wait for the maintainer of that part of launchpad in case he needs to debug that
[11:10] <carlos> mdke, are you using the email address as your username?
[11:11] <dholbach> has not been validated too, hrm
[11:11] <carlos> :-?
[11:11] <dholbach> i always used<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:11] <carlos> oh, ok
[11:11] <carlos> I got it
[11:11] <carlos> you have them validated but you don't have any of them as prefered
[11:11] <dholbach> i'm quite sure i changed that
[11:11] <dholbach> because i had trouble in malone because of it
[11:12] <dholbach> oh cool, i'm logged in now
[11:12] <dholbach> let's see if the wiki works again
[11:12] <carlos> dholbach, I fixed it by hand
[11:12] <dholbach> thank you! you rock!
[11:13] <carlos> will ask salgado (the maintainer of the people part) when he wakes up
[11:13] <dholbach> so the wiki is still messed up, but now i know it's just the wiki
[11:13] <mdke> yeah wiki still down here
[01:00] <Simira> daf, carlos: should I be able to upload .po-files in Rosetta now?
[01:01] <carlos> Simira, yes
[01:01] <carlos> Simira, sorry, I forgot to tell you it :-(
[01:02] <Simira> np... but Rosetta is down right now?
[01:02] <Simira> oh, now, there I got in
[01:07] <carlos> Simira, please confirm it lets you upload .po files
[01:07] <Simira> working on it right now... just have to find the right file to upload
[01:10] <carlos> Simira, ;-)
[01:10] <Simira> I just have an extremely slow response from launchpad/Rosetta now...
[01:11] <daf> the front page has a problem that makes it really slow
[01:14] <Simira> hmm...
[01:14] <Simira> the upload seemed to work, but there are no changes for the gaim statistics yet
[01:15] <Simira> (i uploaded the gaim nb.po which is 92% done)
[01:17] <carlos> Simira, as the message says, it takes some minutes
[01:18] <carlos> to be effective
[01:18] <Simira> mm
[01:19] <Simira> tumtidum... it takes ages just to load any page!
[01:19] <carlos> we got a problem with your .po file...
[01:20] <Simira> so, you do...
[01:20] <carlos> Simira, could you confirm it does not shows any error with  'msgfmt -v -c yourpofile.po' ?
[01:21] <Simira> 2073 translated messages, 61 fuzzy translations, 96 untranslated messages.
[01:21] <Simira> handy commant, what is it?
[01:21] <Simira> commando, even
[01:22] <carlos> Simira, is to compile the translation
[01:22] <Simira> ok
[01:22] <carlos> into the binary file gettext uses later
[01:22] <carlos> hmmm
[01:23] <carlos> Simira, could you open a bug report with a link to that .po file please?
[01:23] <carlos> if you cannot upload it to any public place, send us it by email
[01:23] <Simira> anyway, it seems it's changed the name of the last translator, and imported all the strings, it's just the statistics that lacks
[01:23] <Simira> the po-file is from gaim.sourceforge, that should work well
[01:23] <Simira> bug report... you want that in Malone, right?
[01:25] <carlos> Simira, yes, please
[01:25] <carlos> Simira, does it means the import was done?
[01:25] <Simira> carlos: yes, it seems so
[01:26] <carlos> I got an error in our log... so I don't understand how is that possible but.. anyway, it's a good thing :-)
[01:27] <Simira> hmm... no, you're right...
[01:27] <Simira> when I choose to show all untranslated messages, it shows from Strin #70 or something
[01:28] <Simira> but it shows all strings when I choose All translated messages as well...
[01:35] <Simira> #1155 for you
[01:37] <Simira> Rosetta is becoming nice, btw
[01:42] <carlos> Simira, thanks for the bug
[01:42] <carlos> Simira, could you give me urls to see what you see?
[01:50] <Simira> in Rosetta, you mean? https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/gaim/+pots/gaim/nb/+translate
[01:50] <Simira> Norwegian Bokmaal translation for Gaim
[01:51] <carlos> Simira, the untranslated and translated issue you talked about
[01:53] <Simira> I just choose "Show: Untranslated messages"
[01:53] <Simira> the url is the same... I'll make some screenshots
[01:55] <carlos> ok
[01:55] <carlos> Simira, no, that's enough
[01:57] <Simira> hm, I'm not sure about that...
[01:57] <carlos> Simira, hmmm
[01:57] <Simira> if I choose "Last", and look at the last 50 messages or something, there are no strings???
[01:57] <carlos> with translated, I don't see the untranslated ones...
[01:57] <carlos> Simira, yeah, it's a bug in our batch system
[01:58] <carlos> when you filter messages, we don't recalculate the pages :-(
[01:58] <Simira> ah, ok
[05:48] <carlos> lamont, around?


[06:45] <AlanBell> pleia2: or anyone else, on the tshirt design http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Ideas/TShirtDesigns what is the light blue logo at the bottom?
[06:46]  * pleia2 has no idea
[06:47] <pleia2> crop circle? :)
[06:47] <pleia2> ah, apparently it's ubuntu studio
[06:48] <AlanBell> ah, so it is. Never saw that before.
[06:49] <jussi01> o.O
[06:50] <jussi01> studio needs some advertising methinks
[06:56] <AlanBell> probably need to get the logo on a Tshirt or something :-)
[06:58] <jussi01> AlanBell: :D
[06:59]  * jussi01 is involved with studio, and we could do with more contributors, if anyone is interested in making music/video/graphics on ubuntu...
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34] <pleia2> akgraner: wow, brilliant work on the leadership proposal
[07:36] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks
[07:52] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:52] <elky> the list structure is confusing me. Why is UDS-M BLUEPRINTS AND OBJECTIVES an tier under UW PROJECT PR TEAM ?
[07:53] <elky> (err, for the meeting agenda)
[07:53] <jussi01> has anyone seen pendulum recently?
[07:53] <elky> she was around yesterday, but sore
[07:54] <jussi01> hrm, ok.
[08:00] <czajkowski> jussi01: she's around, but her shoulder is at her atm so not typing as much, she should be online again around 9:30 UTC
[08:01] <jussi01> czajkowski: ok, thanks for that
[08:01] <czajkowski> no bother
[08:01]  * czajkowski is up drinking black vanilla tea yummy
[08:01] <jussi01> :)
[08:02] <AlanBell> czajkowski: pong <- a sober pong
[08:02] <czajkowski> grin
[08:03]  * jussi01 has a thesis for Pendulum to read, if she is currently up to it. :D
[08:04] <jussi01> (and yes, that means its almost done, yipeeeeeeeeee!)
[08:04] <czajkowski> sweet
[08:05] <jussi01> I cant wait to graduate...
[08:05] <jussi01> then theres only half a BIT degree to go :)
[08:19] <akgraner> nap time - :-)  laters y'alll zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[08:30] <jussi01> nini akgraner
[09:48] <Pendulum> jussi01: what's up?
[09:53] <jussi01> Pendulum: Hi!
[10:01] <Pendulum> akgraner: have you slept?
[14:03] <akgraner> Pendulum, yep - just got up from a 5 hour nap :-)
[15:06] <nigelb> akgraner: Daylight Confusion Time - something you might know about :p
[15:07] <akgraner> nigelb, YES!
[15:08]  * MichelleQ snores...
[15:08] <nigelb> akgraner: haha, meetings might be a little bit of a mess this week :p
[15:08] <MichelleQ> Can't.wake.up.
[15:08] <nigelb> MichelleQ: haha,
[15:08]  * nigelb gets cold water for MichelleQ
[15:09] <nigelb> MichelleQ: my dad had this very efficient way of waking me up when I was a kid (had to get up at 5 for school)
[15:09] <MichelleQ> no, thank you so very much.
[15:09] <nigelb> he would wash his hands in cold water, dry, and then touch my face.
[15:09] <MichelleQ> gah!
[15:09] <nigelb> I would be shocked awake.  its like getting a defibrillator shock :D :D
[15:09] <MichelleQ> I can imagine
[15:10] <nigelb> still, very efficient.  I do that my roommates these days ;)
[15:11] <akgraner> MichelleQ, I know the "Can't. wake.up" feeling - but that was just b/c I had the "Can't.sleep" issue yesterday :-)
[15:11] <MichelleQ> :)
[15:12] <MichelleQ> My dunkin donuts sweet tea is not cutting it this morning
[15:13] <akgraner> Well I am off for an hour or so :-)  I'm actually leaving my house with no phone, or computer and having lunch with friends :-) - this feels a bit strange but I think I could get used to it :-)  laters
[15:13] <MichelleQ> ttfn!
[21:55] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ping
[21:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: pong
[21:55] <AlanBell> all done reapproving?
[21:55] <czajkowski> yes. for tonight
[21:55] <AlanBell> want to talk stats or leave it for another day?
[21:55] <czajkowski> can you gimmie 15 mins just to catch my wind please
[21:56] <AlanBell> s/catch my wind/pour a JD/
[21:57] <czajkowski> not drinking :)
[21:57] <czajkowski> have an airport run in a wee bit
[21:57] <AlanBell> cup of Barrys tea then
[21:57] <czajkowski> aye cuppa tea
[22:42] <AlanBell> lets try tomorrow, nighty night o/
[23:38] <rww> akgraner: the IRC meeting day+time survey thing doesn't really work for people who are free at different times on different days =\


[12:13] <cyberanger> minasota: Not via the internet, but via radio right?
[18:09] <cyberanger> I'll have to look up the updated software requirements for that (gpredict is only half the solution, another peice of software recieves the data and parses it)
[18:11] <cyberanger> Any RTL-SDR dongle should do, for what I recall.
[18:11]  * cyberanger hasn't done that in awhile.
[21:05] <minasota> cyberanger: gpredict, gqrx and WXtoImg along with any rtl-sdr dongle should work yeah? Not sure how much antenna I need though


[03:46] <bluesabre> tjaalton: Would you mind taking a look at https://salsa.debian.org/xorg-team/xorg/-/merge_requests/17 ?
[03:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Merge 17 in xorg-team/xorg "60x11-common_xdg_path: Inject the variables set into the session via dbus-update-activation-environment." [Opened]
[04:26] <tjaalton> liushuyu: hi, sure
[04:27] <liushuyu> tjaalton: Thank you!
[04:27] <tjaalton> bluesabre: the rationale is missing?
[04:28] <tjaalton> liushuyu: got an sru bug already?
[04:29] <liushuyu> tjaalton: Not yet. Do you want me to create one? I am still very new to this SRU process
[04:30] <tjaalton> liushuyu: yes, since you know what's broken and how to fix it. the wiki has info on that
[04:30] <liushuyu> tjaalton: Thank you! Will do in a moment
[04:58] <liushuyu> tjaalton: I have opened a SRU bug for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-15/+bug/2008755
[04:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008755 in llvm-toolchain-15 (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Upgrade to 15.0.7 on Kinetic and Jammy" [Undecided, New]
[05:11] <dannf> cpaelzer: its not always the same test that times out - I wonder if QEMU has gotten slower for some of these use cases. I uploaded a package that adds some timing stats to a PPA, I'll do some comparison runs to see if I can narrow it down
[05:11] <tjaalton> liushuyu: thanks
[05:14] <liushuyu> tjaalton: No problem! I am not sure if I have filed the SRU request correctly, some of the links in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates are dead. Also, do I need to tag someone from the SRU team for this?
[06:12] <cpaelzer> dannf: interesting, I didn't spot that difference before
[06:12] <cpaelzer> dannf: that might also explain why it works just fine on my s390x machien where I tried to reproduce
[06:12] <cpaelzer> dannf: maybe just more cpu/memory or less contention overall
[06:15] <cpaelzer> dannf: indeed test_ovmf_4m_ms or test_ovmf_ms so far, hmm
[06:24] <cpaelzer> dannf: I'm wrapping these in pytets --durations to check if any/all tests slowed down ...
[06:28] <cpaelzer> dannf: we can assume my machine is faster, but there also is no difference qemu 7.0 5.21s-7.36s qemu 7.2: 5.48s-7.42s - that is the same within noise
[06:28] <cpaelzer> dannf: the test timeout (that you most likely increased in your PPA) is 60s which is one order of magnitude away
[06:29] <cpaelzer> dannf: let me reduce mem/cpu and see where I end up then
[07:15] <cpaelzer> dannf: I've ran a bit deeper into this rabbit hole and I think we are onto a real issue
[07:16] <tjaalton> liushuyu: nope
[07:38] <liushuyu> tjaalton: Thank you!
[07:55] <tjaalton> liushuyu: which links are dead btw?
[07:57] <liushuyu> tjaalton: In https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Phasing, the link "blog post by Brian Murray" leads to a 404 page
[07:58] <JackFrost> tjaalton: Yeah hay sorry about no good description there, thought prior discussion on IRC helped and I don't know the specifics behind it just that other Xsession scripts use that to fix the same problem, and after the MR it works here too.  Also I used `salsa`, so a bit blindly. :P
[08:01] <tjaalton> JackFrost: but what is the problem? :)
[08:02] <tjaalton> liushuyu: okay.. bdmurray ^ do you still have your blog online somewhere?
[08:04] <tjaalton> liushuyu: the web never forgets, though: http://web.archive.org/web/20170719231238/http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=127
[08:13] <JackFrost> tjaalton: Ah OK.  So setting the session name in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS isn't making it into the env, such that /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu is getting ignored and Xubuntu is getting stock upstream settings, ignoring all of our settings in xubuntu-default-settings.  For us, pretty critical. :3
[08:15] <adrien> can someone retry these tests? https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/t6zbFz97X6/ they are all arm64 failures during the test preparation; the queues are heavily loaded but these test might enable the ocaml cluster to migrate
[10:10] <adrien> I'd also like https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=openmsx&trigger=tcl8.6%2F8.6.13%2Bdfsg-2 (there's a "sleep 3" which might not have been enough during the past weeks) and https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=plplot&trigger=tcl8.6%2F8.6.13%2Bdfsg-2 (testbed wasn't ready in time); both are for amd64 where queues are fairly
[10:10] <adrien> small at the moment
[10:10] <adrien> (500 only!)
[10:17] <schopin> adrien:.
[10:18] <adrien> thanks! :)
[10:39] <tjaalton> JackFrost: ack
[10:40] <JackFrost> I'd love to know what changed such that it no longer works, but not really sure where to dig.
[10:56] <danilogondolfo> May I ask someone to re-run a bunch of autopkgtests for me, please?
[10:56] <danilogondolfo> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=pycurl&trigger=curl/7.88.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pycurl/7.45.2-3
[10:56] <danilogondolfo> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=pycurl&trigger=curl/7.88.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pycurl/7.45.2-3
[10:56] <danilogondolfo> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=armhf&package=pycurl&trigger=curl/7.88.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pycurl/7.45.2-3
[10:56] <danilogondolfo> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=pycurl&trigger=curl/7.88.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pycurl/7.45.2-3
[10:56] <danilogondolfo> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=s390x&package=pycurl&trigger=curl/7.88.1-1ubuntu1&trigger=pycurl/7.45.2-3
[10:56] <cpaelzer> dannf: I tracked it down and found an offending commit
[10:57] <danilogondolfo> is there a way to pass a list of archs btw? :P
[10:57] <cpaelzer> dannf: but while upstream might one day have a fix, for now I would still appreciate to consider bumping the timeouts or any other way that lets qemu pass for now
[10:57] <cpaelzer> dannf: here is the report https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/1520
[10:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Issue 1520 in qemu-project/qemu "x86 TCG acceleration running on s390x with -smp > host cpus slowed down by x10" [Opened]
[11:00] <schopin> danilogondolfo: Clicking. And no, AFAIK one link is for one test run (so single arch)
[11:01] <danilogondolfo> thank you, schopin :)
[13:26] <adrien> is possible to also trigger these ones again? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=coq&trigger=ocaml%2F4.13.1-4ubuntu1 https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=diffoscope&trigger=ocaml%2F4.13.1-4ubuntu1
[13:26] <adrien> they were triggered not that long ago but failed for the same reasons
[13:26] <adrien> there's also https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=llvm-toolchain-13&trigger=ocaml%2F4.13.1-4ubuntu1 but I don't know how heavy these are
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> .
[14:25] <utkarsh2102> hello, is there any way to get all the MPs I have reviewed or took part in via LP?
[14:28] <cjwatson> utkarsh2102: https://launchpad.net/~/+merges
[14:29] <cjwatson> Actually sorry that might just be of your own branches
[14:29] <utkarsh2102> yes! these are just my branches that I proposed
[14:29] <cjwatson> There's https://launchpad.net/~/+activereviews but that only gives you ones that are still open
[14:29] <utkarsh2102> not the ones that I reviewed
[14:29] <cjwatson> So possibly not
[14:29] <utkarsh2102> yes!
[14:30] <utkarsh2102> uh oh :(
[14:32] <cjwatson> If you know the context (project, package, whatever) then there's also views like https://launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+merges
[14:32] <cjwatson> I don't think there's precisely what you asked for right now though
[14:37] <slyon> vorlon: I see you recently seeded (inetutils-)telnet in lunar.standard. Am I correct in my assumption that Foundations should be the owning team of src:inetutils and we should prepare a MIR for it? (We were maintaining netkit-telnet in Kinetic and earlier). Also, see the discussion in bug #1980663 which does not apply anymore to src:inetutils, I guess (not a false-positve anymore).
[14:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1980663 in plzip (Ubuntu) "[MIR] false-positives, do not promote" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980663
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> Hey! Who do I ping about serious Ubiquity issues where it's trying to install as the wrong user? bug 2008731
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> And since Ubottu totally messed-up, https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008731
[15:54] <vorlon> slyon: re: inetutils and Foundations, yes
[15:54] <vorlon> slyon: this came up from jira card review when I discovered I'd accidentally removed netkit-telnet before inetutils was ready to go
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Who do you think would be the best person to ping about the Ubiquity installing as the wrong user bug for Edubuntu (if not yourself as I know you're busy)?
[16:05] <slyon> vorlon: ack. What's the jira ticket number that came from? I've created https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inetutils/+bug/2008789 to track this and hand out the MIR work
[16:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008789 in inetutils (Ubuntu) "[MIR] inetutils" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[16:06] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: I don't really know.  ubiquity itself is being deprecated for Ubuntu Desktop, and support for the installer for flavors is best-effort
[16:06] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: maybe file a bug against ubiquity in LP and see who bites
[16:06] <vorlon> slyon: FR-2983
[16:07] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Yeah, done. https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008731. Would've gone with the new installer but the desktop team never got back to any of the flavors on the "how" aspect as we discussed during our flavor sync meeting.
[16:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008731 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity crashed on first test installation of Edubuntu" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> And since flavor leads don't have direct commit access, that means any bugs are going to have some very unhappy flavor leads, especially show-stoppers like this one.
[16:08] <vorlon> I wouldn't think that subiquity would be the way to go for bootstrapping a new flavor this cycle
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps not, but, with my Studio hat on, we were very interested, and that knowledge could've been useful.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> (and transferable)
[18:56] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: hi! dropped a small text on MM, could you look at it when you have a sec?
[19:00] <rbasak> ack
[22:20] <arraybolt3> Is it expected that the python3 modules "lsb_release" no longer exists in Lunar? Calamares has a Python file that runs "from lsb_release import get_distro_information" and it's erroring out because the lsb_release module is missing, breaking Lubuntu's ability to install.
[22:20] <arraybolt3> I'm about to test more thoroughly but my Internet has gone into slow mode and so I'm aking here in case this rings a bell for anyone (I saw ther was some stuff happening with debootstrap and lsb_release recently).
[22:21] <arraybolt3> *asking
[22:35] <vorlon> arraybolt3: lsb-release was replaced by lsb-release-minimal in Debian which is stripped down to the bare minimum.  what did you depend on before to get an lsb_release python module?
[22:35] <vorlon> looks like /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/lsb_release.py came from lsb-release package
[22:35] <vorlon> anyway, no longer
[22:35] <vorlon> so yes it's expected.  I don't know if there's an equivalent that looks at /etc/os-release?
[22:35] <arraybolt3> Tar.
[22:36] <arraybolt3> OK, thanks for the update.
[22:36] <jbicha> arraybolt3: I suggest python3-distro https://distro.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[22:37] <arraybolt3> The problem is either we need something that returns the lsb_release module allowing Calamares to work mostly unmodified, OR we need an Ubuntu delta, OR we need to get Calamares upstream to change their code.
[22:37] <arraybolt3> This isn't a Calamares bug, so the latter two options seem weird.
[22:37] <arraybolt3> But I'm not sure the first one is even an option.
[22:38] <arraybolt3> This is also a showstopper regression - the installer crashes due to this during a normal installation procedure.
[22:38] <jbicha> arraybolt3: python3-distro uses /etc/os-release but falls back to lsb_release, according to its docs
[22:38] <arraybolt3> Right but is it API-compatible with the original lsb_release module?
[22:39] <jbicha> probably not but you don't need that
[22:39] <arraybolt3> actually I may be wrong about where the code is, so it may not be a big problem.
[22:40] <arraybolt3> Yeah I'm wrong, this is code in Ubuntu only, not from Calamares itself. Panic averted, nevermind.
[22:40] <arraybolt3> OK, I'll try and use python3-distro to replace lsb_release and make things work again.
[22:42] <arraybolt3> (I accidentally thought that this had broken a critial part of Calamares, when in fact it broke code that was written specifically for Lubuntu, so it's easy to update that.)


[01:05] <minasota> you know what they say about bad eggs...
[01:06] <Omnifrog> if you dont eat you eggs you cant have any strawberries
[01:19] <minasota> if you don't eat your meat, how can you have any pudding?
[01:19] <minasota> eggs are considered meat, no?
[01:19] <Omnifrog> basically the same concept
[01:20] <minasota> pink floyd would be proud...
[01:20] <Omnifrog> you must not have any young kids
[01:21] <Omnifrog> the egg/strawberry thing is from a popular kids book
[01:21] <minasota> it's weird, young kids tend to... I don't know... grow
[01:22] <Omnifrog> I spend a lot of time watching my 2 year old grand daughter these days so I get to relive all those shitty books now
[01:22] <Omnifrog> >.>
[01:23] <minasota> not shitty, good times. Don't take it for granted
[01:23] <Omnifrog> and the day time kids TV .. dear god
[01:25] <Omnifrog> oh, I dont. I was being a bit facetious there
[01:28] <minasota> cool
[01:32] <minasota> I feel you though, been there ;)
[01:33] <Omnifrog> I can sing along to a Pooh song with the best of them
[19:32] <netritious> howdy
[19:36] <cyberanger> Bonjour
[19:36] <netritious> how is it going cyberanger
[19:37] <cyberanger> Not too bad
[19:38] <netritious> do you use any type of orchestration tools cyberanger? I'm looking into ansible atm.
[19:39] <cyberanger> Not yet, I should
[19:40] <cyberanger> Ansible is the one I hear most about, I like doing it myself atm, keeps the boredom away.
[19:43] <netritious> Ha, opposite for me...getting bored with doing it myself.
[19:43] <wrst> greetings
[19:46] <netritious> hello wrst, how are you today?
[19:47] <wrst> I am good netritious, all going well on the western front?
[19:47] <netritious> All looks well wrst :)
[19:47] <wrst> great
[19:48] <cyberanger> netritious: I hear that, if I had more work coming in I'd feel that way too.
[19:49] <cyberanger> Also, I like being sure the crypto stays local/secure.


[13:59] <xnox> i have a new #ubuntu-* channel that needs logging and bug bot enabled.
[13:59] <xnox> how do i do that?
[14:00] <Pici> xnox: I can provide a bot, but logging requests need to go through rt
[14:00] <k1l> a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>iirc
[14:00] <Pici> xnox: whats the channel?
[14:01] <xnox> Pici, the channel is #ubuntu-s390x
[14:02] <xnox> ack, will file RT for logging.
[14:03] <Pici> xnox: I'm going to work with freenode to get that channel registered too, I'll throw a bunch of access your way.
[14:05] <xnox> Pici, tah.
[14:06] <xnox> Pici, it should be a normal channel, with regular powers granted to Ubuntu IRC team et.al. it's something between the #ubuntu+1 & #ubuntu-devel, essentially for anybody who uses that port.
[14:06] <Pici> xnox: I figured as much :)
[15:00] <Pici> xnox: you should be good on the bot side, and you have full access in the channel flags too