[00:05] <dobey> later all
[00:09] <alecu> nessita, you asked me to fill up a bug. what was it about?
[00:09] <alecu> oh, I remember
[00:09] <nessita> alecu: control panel being redish on quota exceeded
[00:10] <alecu> right. thanks!
[00:10] <nessita> thank you!
[00:10]  * nessita -> gone!
[00:17] <alecu> bye all
[00:45] <karni> python looks so clean..
[00:48] <ralsina_babysitt> karni: compared to dalvik? :-)
[00:49] <karni> ralsina_babysitt: just compared to java ;>
[00:50] <ralsina> karni: well, it sure looks like *less* usually
[00:50] <karni> ralsina: it looks very good. concise, clean.
[00:50] <karni> I'm reading action_queue.py from the syncdaemon right now
[00:51] <karni> I don't know python, but majority is clear to me
[00:56] <ralsina> that''s the fun of python. you can pretty much read it
[00:56] <ralsina> Of course you can make it awful as you want, but by default it kinda looks nice
[00:57] <karni> ralsina: hehe :)
[01:00] <ralsina> And just in case, this is python: http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/static/damned.py
[01:00] <ralsina> So don't expect all python to be pretty ;-)
[01:01] <ralsina> Much better version: http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/static/seven_seg.py
[01:01] <karni> ralsina: haha. this looks like brainf*ck with few more characters
[01:05] <ralsina> It's actually a cool function :-)
[01:06] <ralsina> try copying it in an interactive interpreter and then seven_seg("1234")
[01:06] <karni> ok
[01:08] <karni> ralsina: now I feel dumb for not understanding the output '          _ \n| ||_ |_  _|\n||| ||_ \n' :<
[01:09] <ralsina> ok try print seven_seg("1234")
[01:09] <ralsina> sorry I have not used this thing in years ;-)
[01:09] <karni> it's now a treeliner.
[01:09] <karni> should I try other values?
[01:09] <ralsina> It should be 1234 in large letters ascii art :-)
[01:10]  * karni opens another terminal
[01:10] <ralsina> It should work for any digits
[01:11] <karni> hahahaha for seven_seg("444") it prints 222, for 555 it prints 333
[01:11] <karni> ralsina: anyhow, it's fun ;D cool for a two-liner code in python
[01:11] <ralsina> oh, well :-)
[01:12] <ralsina> I swear it used to work correctly :-)
[01:12] <karni> ^ ^
[01:12] <kklimonda> python do have a tendency to make backward incompatible changes ;)
[01:12] <karni> So I've heard.
[01:12] <kklimonda> still I'll choose it over almost any other language for things it's good at
[01:13] <kklimonda> for other I'll go with C ;)
[01:13] <ralsina> Ok, I'll go have dinner.
[01:13] <ralsina> Have nice evening :-)
[01:13] <karni> ralsina: Thank you (it's 2:13AM ;) ), bon apetit
[01:13] <kklimonda> evening? it's a bloody middle of the night here ;)
[01:13] <karni> ralsina: Take care :)
[01:13] <karni> heheh
[01:17] <karni> kklimonda: coding?
[01:17] <kklimonda> karni: I just finished something - now I'm updating 10.10 in vm so I can test one sru
[01:18] <karni> kklimonda: I see.
[01:19] <karni> I'm digging into the protocol to understand it deeper and implement the content/meta queue in Java (yeah! ;P)
[01:19] <karni> Unless I come up with something better.
[01:21]  * kklimonda is waiting for Qt for android ;)
[01:21] <kklimonda> either that or I should check Mono for Android
[01:22] <kklimonda> maybe it's a bit nicer than the Java+XML nightmare Google is calling an SDK ;)
[01:22] <kklimonda> but that's probably a pythonista in me speaking
[01:23] <karni> are you serious.. Mono for Android? btw check out the date in the link lol http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Jan-04.html
[01:23] <karni> future-archive post!
[01:24] <kklimonda> karni: well, it's already in semi-open beta tests
[01:24] <karni> kklimonda: I think Java and XML were quite smart choice.
[01:24] <karni> uhm
[01:24] <kklimonda> karni: I just find Java, with its checked exceptions, with the accent on XML for doing stuff distasteful.
[01:25] <kklimonda> karni: I've actually tried to use Android SDK and it was no fun to me
[01:25] <kklimonda> no fun at all
[01:25] <karni> kklimonda: it's getting better every release
[01:25] <kklimonda> I know it works, and that you can do nifty stuff in it
[01:25] <kklimonda> but for me it completely lacks the "fun" factor
[01:25] <karni> :D
[01:26] <karni> yeah, Android should go for Shakespear
[01:26] <kklimonda> not to mention that the documentation is lacking
[01:26] <karni> that's true. here and there, yeah.
[01:26] <kklimonda> karni: it's not that funny - if I have to read and write code for 8+ hours a day it has to fun
[01:26] <karni> tru.
[01:26] <kklimonda> karni: I can think in Python
[01:26] <kklimonda> I actually read python code for fun ;)
[01:27] <kklimonda> I've started reading CPython interpreter, just to see how it works.. and it's C but still fun (I like C ;))
[01:27] <karni> by the way.. I think I'll have to talk to verterok tomorrow. I'm wondering if I should implement the queues more low level then my applicaiton (RequestHandler) looks like a place to start.
[01:28] <karni> I know that may distaste you, but I've coded GTK with Java, and it was much more pleasant than GTK in C ;)
[01:28] <kklimonda> karni: btw, are you going to make some sort of authentication provider for other applications to use U1?
[01:28] <karni> but maybe it was just my incompetence back then.
[01:29] <kklimonda> karni: Gtk+ in C is.. in C, everything is what it seems - I find it refreshing
[01:29] <karni> kklimonda: yes. we should have an SSO available to all apps via Authenticator framework, and possibly expose the service itself
[01:29] <kklimonda> great
[01:30] <kklimonda> I've taken a look how to write it
[01:30] <kklimonda> and then decided to make soap bubbles - much more entertaining ;)
[01:30] <karni> yup, it's nothing complex. hahahah
[01:31] <kklimonda> examples were using inner classes..
[01:31] <kklimonda> really, I have nothing against them - but there was no obvious reason to do that
[01:32] <kklimonda> and no documentation :(
[01:32] <kklimonda> ok, my Java rant is over
[01:32] <karni> kklimonda: Romain Guy says static inner classes are smaller and better on Android.
[01:32] <karni> kklimonda: I know it sometimes means you've got ten classes in one file, which sounds terrible.
[01:33] <karni> kklimonda: But you gotta take into consideration it's a mobile environment. You're even expected to
[01:33] <karni> minimize the number of created objects.
[01:33] <kklimonda> karni: that's why I don't understand why did they go with Java
[01:33] <karni> And use primitives as much as possbile instead.
[01:34] <karni> kklimonda: Maybe because of sandboxing and dalvik?
[01:34] <kklimonda> karni: choosing Java, and then saying that you have to do all this weird stuff, because normal Java is too bloated seems like a backward thinking.
[01:34] <kklimonda> karni: iOS have sandboxing
[01:34] <karni> You're running multiple, separate, sandboxed dalvik virtual machines on your phone.
[01:34] <kklimonda> karni: and dalvik is just an implementation detail
[01:35] <karni> kklimonda: it's not that normal Java is too bloated. They have stripped it themselves anyway. It's not bloated anymore as available to Android.
[01:36] <karni> kklimonda: it's just language specifics - such as those inner classes.
[01:36] <karni> but seriously.. it's advised to use two primitive ints instead of a Pair object of some sort. because it's an object, and GC has to kick in whenever neccessary.
[01:37] <karni> Ok.. it's getting late. And my eyes already hurt ehh.
[01:37] <karni> kklimonda: It's been good talking to you. Take care mate
[01:37] <kklimonda> karni: have a good night
[01:38] <karni> kklimonda: tnx, you too.
[02:17] <karni> just can't stop reading protocol stuff ;d
[02:17] <karni> the protocol should be documented, seriously :<
[02:20] <kklimonda> ;D
[02:20] <kklimonda> karni: haven't you heard? source code is all the documentation you need
[02:23] <karni> kklimonda: come on.. I even recently read somewhere that source code as documentation is not the way to go.
[02:23] <kklimonda> karni: meh, that's evil people talking ;)
[02:23] <karni> kklimonda: plus, it's acceptable if you know the language of the source well.
[02:23] <karni> kklimonda: xD
[02:25] <kklimonda> karni: but the ugly truth is that you should get used to it
[02:25] <kklimonda> karni: there aren't many project - open source or commercial ones - that have a decent documentation.
[02:25] <karni> kklimonda: I know..
[02:26] <kklimonda> projects*
[02:27] <karni> kklimonda: heading to bed this time for real. take care!
[02:27] <kklimonda> karni: cya mate
[03:07] <dobey> sigh
[03:07] <dobey> hello latency and fail
[11:47] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[12:04] <mandel> duanedesign: morning!
[13:34] <ralsina> good morning people!
[14:25] <thisfred> ¡holá!
[14:35] <nessita> hola thisfred
[14:35] <thisfred> hola jefa
[14:41] <nessita> jua
[14:41] <nessita> thisfred: since we're it, could you please start working on splitting the spec you and alecu did yesterday into bug items to attach to the blueprint?
[14:41] <thisfred> si!
[14:42] <nessita> thisfred: there are 2 blueprints, one for showing status of shares and udfs, and the other to integrate with unity. I think some work items will go into the first one, and some others into the second one
[14:42] <nessita> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-ubuntuone-n-shares-status-udfs
[14:42] <thisfred> sure
[14:44] <nessita> hum, our internet is a bit bursty today. thisfred, I can reach the second blueprint myself...
[14:44] <nessita> do you have the url?
[14:45] <thisfred> I'll find it, or we can look it up after the plenary
[14:45] <thisfred> I'm translating into a list of work items first, I'll create bugs after
[14:46] <nessita> perfect
[15:57]  * nessita -> meeting with Ivanka, cross fingers!
[15:58] <dobey> heh
[16:04] <kazade> Hey guys, I don't suppose someone can figure out why my U1 client won't connect. Running ubuntuone-syndaemon --debug works for a while, then I get "process next in queue (len 0)" and it kinda sits there for ages
[16:07] <kazade> sigh, why is it that U1 waits for me to ask a question, then decides to work? :)
[16:07] <kazade> it's working now
[16:09] <xyz> kazade, that's a heisenbug
[16:09] <kazade> xyz, yeah, this is the second time I've asked a question in here and then the client has decided to start doing stuff!
[16:11] <xyz> spooky
[16:36] <rye> kazade, i suppose that's because the servers got restarted recently after the upgrade, so it is not that spooky _now_. hm
[17:11] <karni> hi everyone
[17:12] <JamesTait> Hey karni. :)
[17:12] <karni> beuno-lunch: Having read some syncdaemon sources yesterday, it's not feasible (at the moment) to implement all that stuff. Therefore, plan for now: handle gracefully multiple generation bumps with timeouts.
[17:12] <karni> JamesTait: hello James!
[17:13] <karni> beuno-lunch: not feasible* in context of our ultimately conservative schedule. we can always get back to it.
[17:36] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[17:57] <beuno> karni, ack
[17:57] <karni> beuno: I'm working on it ATM.
[17:58] <beuno> cool
[17:58] <karni> beuno: excuse my previous .apk teases. I really want to give it to you.
[18:01] <beuno> karni, no worries
[18:52] <ralsina> oops, I missed mandel
[18:56] <karni> beuno: I've also hidden UDFs, SHARES, dirs and files starting with a dot.
[18:57] <beuno> karni, nice. Easily unhidden?
[18:58] <karni> beuno: yes. will add as an app setting right now.
[19:00] <karni> beuno: I implemented 10 second timeout before invoking sync on a volume, who's generation is being bumped. (we can try smaller timeout, but it can cause more syncs than neccessary)
[19:00] <beuno> karni, sounds good
[19:00] <karni> The (resonably) more, the better. We really don't care about those intermediate generation broadcasts.
[19:02] <karni> beuno: currently, i've taken off the 'sync' option from folders. will get back to that. would be best to start playing with it once we've got some scheduling mechanisms, but I'll consult with verterok first.
[19:02] <beuno> karni, +1
[19:02] <karni> beuno: all in all, it's nothing complex. but I care about handling all that stuff in a proper manner (instead of fire-and-forget)
[19:36] <karni> beuno: unhiding done.
[19:37]  * beuno w00ts
[19:44] <karni> beuno: JamesTait: Today I read on twitter that Ubuntu SSO does not work on Firefox with NoScript on. Is that true/you aware of that?
[19:44] <beuno> karni, could be, at least for creating accounts
[19:44] <karni> uhm
[19:45]  * karni starts to think that U1 server load increases significantly in the evenings
[19:46] <beuno> karni, yeah, this is something we should nudge __lucio__ about more
[19:47] <beuno> __lucio__, graphs seem to show that around this time, every day, things get pretty slow
[19:49] <__lucio__> beuno, we just had a rollout. and graphs dont show what you say.
[19:49] <karni> __lucio__: that is, you've been updating server software, correct?
[19:49] <__lucio__> karni, yup
[19:49] <beuno> __lucio__, well, I see a drop on graphs every single day
[19:50] <beuno> __lucio__, I also see karni complain around the same time every day
[19:50] <karni> __lucio__: autehtication and client setup takes around a minute or more at the very moment
[19:50] <__lucio__> beuno, what graphs are you looking at?
[19:50] <beuno> __lucio__, daily storage graphs
[19:51] <__lucio__> beuno, in particular?
[19:51] <karni> I know I could use a mock client/server, but testing in live environment brings that second touch to results.
[19:51] <__lucio__> karni, you should use staging
[19:52] <karni> __lucio__: what if we deploy the app and people don't use staging :< ?
[19:52] <karni> anyhow, __lucio__ , I've got a question
[19:53] <karni> __lucio__: should I modify any part of authentication, you mentioned I shoud use staging.one.ubuntu.com instead of one.ubuntu.com
[19:53] <karni> *that's a question
[19:53] <karni> __lucio__: I know I should connect to the IP you gave me. Just asking if anything concerning authentication changes too.
[19:55] <nirazio> In the "Desktop Couch Scratch" folder, do I have to manually add the bookmarks I want saved, or does the system do it automatically?
[19:56] <Chipaca> nirazio: the system does it automatically; adding things to that folder will accomplish nothing
[19:57] <nirazio> Chipaca: Thankyou :)
[19:58] <Chipaca> nirazio: you're welcome
[19:58] <Chipaca> nirazio: is it working for you?
[19:58] <Chipaca> it == bindwood
[19:58] <nirazio> Yeah it's working
[19:58] <__lucio__> karni, same stuff should work as far as i know
[19:59] <Chipaca> nirazio: sweet
[20:40] <karni> beuno: What should I do with downloaded files (not favourite), which have been changed on the server? AU1 removed them and it looked as if it was never downloaded, thus you always accessed the newest version. But I'm not sure if it's the best solution. CardinalFang, you can also speak your mind on that :)
[20:40] <karni> What would you expect to happen.
[20:40] <karni> If the file has been changed, even if it's not your favourite, it should not be shown to the user anymore. Since it's not up to date, right?
[20:40] <CardinalFang> Hmm.
[20:41] <karni> Prompt on attempt to open.. ?
[20:42] <karni> "A new version of the file is available." <Just open> | <Redownload>
[20:42] <CardinalFang> What's the prompt?  Open local old version, or download newer server copy first?"
[20:42] <CardinalFang> Right.
[20:42] <karni> AlertBox, right.
[20:42] <karni> *Dialog
[20:42] <CardinalFang> karni, sounds good to me.
[20:43] <karni> CardinalFang: sounds sensible. thanks Chad.
[21:02] <otto__> I need help to debug a serious bug: Ubuntu One is filling my /tmp directory with hundreds of files named like "tmpxDFL3N" until my hard drive fills up. How can I see what process writes these files? What is happening?
[21:04] <karni> duanedesign: rye: Could you help? ↑
[21:06] <rye> otto__, hm, it should do one at a time, could you please check lsof ?
[21:10] <dobey> that doesn't sound like ubuntuone
[21:12] <otto__> rye: reading lsof man pages, restarting u1, I'll be back when I get the result
[21:15] <otto__> u1sdtool -s shows server rescan, no tmpXXXX files made yet.. waiting for upload to start
[21:17] <karni> CardinalFang: You knew a ListPreference cannot be backed by xml integer-array, and it throws an NPE? Found it on android/issues page. Gotta use Strings, and then valueOf() to get int.
[21:20] <otto__> rye: server scan complete, uploading started and lsof shows line: ubuntuone 3839       otto   23u      REG                9,0   197406720    1572787 /tmp/tmpl06QfW
[21:21] <rye> otto__, is there more than one tmp file?
[21:22] <otto__> rye: not yet, please wait until u1 freaks (may take a few minutes)
[21:23] <otto__> rye: correction: it is now uploading yet, since network stats don't show outgoing traffic - we need to wait a bit more
[21:25] <otto__> rye: we are some file listings I captured earlier today: http://otto.kekalainen.net/u1-bugs/
[21:25] <otto__> rye: I run ls several times so you can see how the tmpXXXX files multiply
[21:28] <otto__> rye: background info: running lucid with all updates, u1 account with paid 4x20GB, recenty added folder ~/Kuvat with 40 GB of stuff, user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:29] <rye> otto__, ok, i think you can shut down u1 then remove these temporary files which should not be multiplying actually. facundobatista can syncdaemon create multiple deflated files in /tmp ?
[21:30] <facundobatista> rye, it should not, but it could on some strange situation
[21:37] <otto__> hmm.. now it is stuck in State: QUEUE_MANAGER, no upload happens
[21:38] <rye> otto__, is u1sdtool --waiting-content ?
[21:38] <CardinalFang> karni, yeah, I've run into that before.
[21:38] <rye> otto__, is u1sdtool --waiting-meta or u1sdtool --waiting-content returning anything ?
[21:39] <otto__> rye: Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply.
[21:39] <rye> otto__, ah, State: QUEUE_MANAGER, what are the queues ?
[21:40] <otto__> u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l works now and shows 7193
[21:40] <rye> otto__, is queues: IDLE ? or WORKING_ON_BOTH ?
[21:40] <otto__> queues: WORKING_ON_CONTENT
[21:41] <rye> otto__, ok, so it is uploading something
[21:42] <rye> otto__, are there many tmp files in /tmp ?
[21:42] <otto__> only tmpl06QfW at the moment. It isn't uploading or at least there is no network traffic going out
[21:47] <otto__> rye, nothing happens at the moment, I'll try restarting it.
[21:48] <rye> otto__, nothing as in no upload at all?
[21:48] <rye> otto__, u1sdtoo --current-transfers ?
[21:48] <otto__> rye, yes no upload
[21:49] <otto__> rye, I already pressed the button. Now State: LOCAL_RESCAN
[21:49] <alecu> nessita, http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/sec-TreeModelSortAndTreeModelFilter.html#sec-TreeModelFilter
[21:50] <nessita> alecu: thanks!
[21:52] <otto__> rye, I'm getting tired (local time 23:52). I'll just post a bug next time i notice this happening, likely some time tomorrow. Thanks for the lsof tip. With it I can prove the the bug is in ubuntuone-process.
[21:53] <rye> otto__, ok, thanks!
[21:56] <karni> beuno: I want to track down one last thing today. Transactioned sync broke (it works without transactioning). So I'm looking at it ATM.
[22:08] <postfuturist> I poked around the FAQ's, but I can't seem to find a definitive answer for this. My computers don't stay connected to Ubuntu One file syncing service that I'm paying for. Files don't get synced. I have to Restart the syncing service manually if I want to get files to sync.  Every time. On every computer I have. It's always been like this. I appreciate that there are issues that are being ironed out, but why can't the client just reconnect on
[22:08] <postfuturist> its own? Why do I have to go in and kick it every single time I want some files to get synced? (I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 on all my machines).
[22:26] <rye> postfuturist, is your client not connecting on startup of the machine or it gets disconnected during the operation?
[22:29] <rye> i wonder whether i can recommend nightlies for startup and metadata storage...
[22:29] <postfuturist> I don't know, I've never changed any settings. I just notice that at some point files stop syncing--for days at a time. I have to open the Ubuntu One Preferences window, the Connect button is greyed out, so I click Restart and then eventually the Connect button appears and I click on it. Then it connects and files sync.
[22:31] <postfuturist> Does it not connect on startup?
[22:32] <rye> Chipaca, can "nightlies" be recommended for startup connections/metadata loading (tritcask aswesomeness) ?
[22:46]  * karni eod, have a good day/evening everyone


[05:35] <nic83> I have a problem installing lubuntu. In the partition stage it only says EFI and then
[05:35] <nic83> manual partition
[05:35] <nic83> But I want to erase the previous OS (Windows - brand new laptop)
 @nic83 Does it have emmc or something unmount all previous partitions
[05:35] <nic83> And anyways I don't know how to manually partition
[05:36] <nic83> MMC
[05:37] <lynorian> you will need to unmount all partitions unfortanetly installer automounts them
[05:37] <nic83> How can I unmount them
[05:37] <lynorian> open pcmanfm-qt and click on the arrows on the sidebar
[05:39] <nic83> now what
[05:42] <lynorian> then restart the installer
[10:21] <fwe> hello
 Hi! I just updated from Bionic to Eoan, something went really wrong XD i had to manually reinstall terminal, no navigation bars at all...am I missing some new package?
[10:43] <tomreyn> Markox89: hi, how did you update, and is lubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:44] <tomreyn> you're aware that eoan is unreleased, right?
 @tomreyn [<tomreyn> Markox89: hi, how did you update, and is lubuntu-desktop installed?], Changed repos in sources. I know it's still under development but I saw feature freeze is near 😋 … Reinstalling lubuntu desktop right now, thank you I'll come back soon.
[11:04] <tomreyn> Markox89: changing apt sources to upgrade isn't really the right way to upgrade (maybe lubuntu has different policies on thais, but i assume not), and probably why it failed.
[11:05] <tomreyn> upgrading to 19.04 via do-release-upgrade beforehand or installing eoan fresh in a VM for testing would have been a safer approach.
 Thank you! I solved my problem :)
[20:03] <desikoder> hi


[03:13] <studio-user633> How do you reset the OS to just what it came with?
[03:14] <studio-user633> Can somebody help me with that please?


[00:59] <micahg> hi bah-newbie, it's the weekend, so people aren't always around
[03:54] <stlouisubntu> anyone have advice on installing Firefox 10 ESR on ubuntu (other than extracting the binaries to /opt and symlinking)?
[04:59] <micahg> stlouisubntu: we're actually not advising users to install the ESR, that's why we're shipping Rapid Release in the distro
[05:07] <stlouisubntu> Thanks, friend.  I figured that since 3.6.x (which turned out to be effectively an ESR itself) was shipping in the 10.04 LTS main repository until just recently, that there might end up being a way for users to go Firefox 10 ESR for those who choose.
[05:08] <micahg> we considered it, but the security tradeoffs seemed to be not worthwhile for most of our distro users
[05:15] <stlouisubntu> Thanks.  I understand.  Hey, I really appreciate all the work you and the team put in.  Well, done and keep it up.
[09:25] <cousin_luigi> Hello.
[09:28] <micahg> hi cousin_luigi
[09:28] <cousin_luigi> hello
[09:29]  * cousin_luigi is having problems with FF10 and flashplayer and wondered if it was packaging-related
[09:29] <cousin_luigi> I overheard something about it the other day here.
[09:30] <micahg> umm, I hope not :)
[09:30] <micahg> what type of problem?
[09:35] <cousin_luigi> micahg: plugin doesn't seem to work. After closing firefox also manually killing the process is required.
[09:35] <cousin_luigi> It happened a few times already:/
[09:35] <micahg> hmm, we upgraded to rapid release to fix that :(
[09:35] <cousin_luigi> oh
[09:36] <cousin_luigi> but I never had problems like this with the previous releases
[09:37] <micahg> which release are you on?
[09:41] <cousin_luigi> 10.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> on oneiric amd64
[10:43] <cousin_luigi> micahg: so, what do you think?
[10:43]  * micahg missed the last part of the conversation
[10:43] <cousin_luigi> 10:37:58 < micahg> which release are you on?
[10:43] <cousin_luigi> 10:41:28 < cousin_luigi> 10.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> on oneiric amd64
[10:44] <micahg> [03:46] <micahg> does this happen in a new profile as well?
[10:45] <cousin_luigi> uhm, haven't tried that yet
[16:29] <paolo1> hi
[16:29] <paolo1> someone help me
[16:29] <paolo1> ?
[16:29] <paolo1> I want a plugin for firefox to send back and forth in the streaming video on ubuntu
  i have vlc plugin for mozilla and xine but not lead directly to the end of the movie b
[16:31] <stefanie> hello to all
[16:31] <cousin_luigi> hello
[16:32] <stefanie> i have some problems using firefox to connect on a citrix server
[16:32] <stefanie> can someone help me
[16:33] <stefanie> the problem is that ff is not showing the page when i connect to the server ff7 ubuntu 11,10
[16:34] <cousin_luigi> why ff7?
[16:34] <cousin_luigi> isn't that ancient?
[16:34] <stefanie> epiphany has no problems using the citrix receiver
[16:35] <stefanie> since ff7 i do have this problem
[16:37] <stefanie> sorry you are wright it is ff10
[16:37] <paolo1> luigi sei italiano?
[16:37] <cousin_luigi> sì
[16:38] <cousin_luigi> but it's bad manners to speak another language here
[16:38] <paolo1> sai eprche non ci riesce a portare avanti i video in streaming con qualsiasi plugin per mozilla su ubnutu
[16:38] <paolo1> cioè se guardi un video per esempio .wmv
[16:39] <cousin_luigi> see above
[16:39] <cousin_luigi> paolo1: can you do that on another platform?
[16:39] <paolo1> parla in italinao


[00:12] <mup> Bug #1997599 opened: Losing LXD certificate  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1997599>
[09:10] <mup> Bug #1822213 changed: Feature request: Access virsh an SSH key <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1822213>
[09:10] <mup> Bug #1823372 changed: GUI should enable and encourage the use of ssh key(s) rather than password <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1823372>
[09:22] <mup> Bug #1881922 changed: [feature] Allow API to use AND and OR boolean operators <sts> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881922>
[09:31] <mup> Bug #1885347 changed: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[09:34] <mup> Bug #1886045 changed: Error message mentions Pods when trying to release a machine <pods> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886045>
[09:37] <mup> Bug #1885347 opened: Allow for console access from MAAS <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1885347>
[09:37] <mup> Bug #1886045 opened: Error message mentions Pods when trying to release a machine <pods> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886045>
[09:43] <mup> Bug # changed: 1885347, 1886045, 1886091, 1887379
[09:46] <mup> Bug # opened: 1885347, 1886045, 1886091, 1887379
[09:49] <mup> Bug # changed: 1885347, 1886045, 1886091, 1887379, 1887667
[09:52] <mup> Bug # opened: 1885347, 1886045, 1886091, 1887379, 1887667
[09:55] <mup> Bug # changed: 1885347, 1886045, 1886091, 1887379, 1887667, 1887951


[01:22] <rafiyr1> For testing purposes is there any particular downside to doing a PXE/net install instead of using a cd?
[20:27] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[20:27] <pace_t_zulu> shouldn't the printer test page for lucid sport the new artwork? ie: the new logo and font?
[21:10] <pace_t_zulu>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/542975
[21:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 542975 in ubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Lucid Beta 1 - Printer test page should display new Ubuntu logo (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New]
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> anyone using Lucid desktop or planning to use Lucid Desktop should mark that bug as "affects you"
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Please stop spamming that bug now. It really is low priority
[21:19] <davmor2> hello charlie-tca
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Hello, davmor2
[21:20] <davmor2> xub wubi worked :)
[21:20] <charlie-tca> That's good news
[21:20] <charlie-tca> My upgrade on this 64bit system went so bad I had to completely reinstall to use it
[21:23] <davmor2> :(
[23:00] <Lazy> My 64bit upgrade almost trashed my system. /boot partiotion got full and then the installer closed. I had to manually delete some old kernels and then run update-initramfs.
[23:00] <Lazy> I guess the system would not have booted up if i hadn't done those things manually.
[23:01] <Lazy> You might want to check bug 542935
[23:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 542935 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "package initramfs-tools 0.92bubuntu68 failed to install/upgrade: (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542935


[10:04] <freakynl> Hi, what is required to get 1111852 resolved? It's a simple matter of replacing 1 python include file. It's been bugged in ubuntu since 11.10 or 12.04 or something like that.
[10:37] <brendand> bug 1111852
[10:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1111852 in targetcli (Ubuntu) "targetcli bug - buffered fileio mode not saved across reboots" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1111852


[03:07] <jimmie_> Whats the best bittorrent client to use on ubuntu?
[03:09] <holstein> jimmie_: transmission is the usual suspect, but 'best' is a matter of opinion
[03:09] <holstein> try some out, they're free :)
[03:13] <jimmie_> I cant wait for the day I ask a question
[03:13] <jimmie_> And you don't answer it first.
[03:14] <jimmie_> Making me feel so small
[03:14] <jimmie_> hNNGH
[03:15] <holstein> :/
[03:15] <holstein> jimmie_: you shouldnt feel small :)
[03:15] <holstein> i like the web interface for transmission
[03:16] <holstein> i had a box set up to serve some iso's for kxstudio
[03:16] <holstein> i set up the seeds on my server, and used the web interface to check in on it from time to time
[03:18] <jimmie_> Again with the talking about stuff I dont comprehend
[03:18] <jimmie_> So very very small.
[03:18] <holstein> :/
[03:18] <jimmie_> Heh
[03:18] <jimmie_> Huh
[03:18] <jimmie_> Where did I go
[03:18] <Jimmie> =/
[03:19] <Jimmie> So
[06:16] <bobobobbobob> morning all
[06:17] <bobobobbobob> I want to move my ubuntu install to another computer, is there a way to do this?
[06:18] <bobobobbobob> i was thinking like clonezilla, but the hardware is different on computers so I am not sure this will work
[06:51] <julie> bobobobbobob, one simple solution would be to put the drive in the computer you wish to copy from and use dd to copy the hard drive
[11:54] <kosaidpo> guys how can i get gedit3 ??
[11:55] <kosaidpo> im on lubuntu
[11:55] <s-fox> Hello.
[12:03]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[12:10] <s-fox> Hello nlsthzn-work
[12:11]  * nlsthzn-work continues to lurk
[12:13] <kosaidpo> guys
[12:14] <kosaidpo> how can i install only wordcompletion plugin in gedit i dont wanna install all the packages
[12:18] <nlsthzn-work> kosaidpo: Do you know what the package is called?
[12:18] <kosaidpo> nlsthzn-work: its ok i installed it thnaks
[12:19] <nlsthzn-work> kosaidpo: K, cool...
[12:19] <kosaidpo> thanks
[12:19] <kosaidpo> peace out
[15:11] <bobobobbobob> is there a way to copy an installation from one ubuntu box to another...different hardware though
[15:12] <coalwater> bobobobbobob, i don't know, do u want to move programs or settings?
[15:13] <oCean> not really a copy, but you can replicate your packageselections on another machine
[15:13] <bobobobbobob> coalwater all of it
[15:14] <bobobobbobob> I thought about using clonezilla to do it, but the different hardware gave me pause
[15:14] <oCean> !clone
[15:14] <ubot2> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[15:14] <bobobobbobob> plus I think the hdd guid will be wrong, correct?
[15:14] <oCean> yes
[15:15] <oCean> if you just would copy
[16:08] <Edie_> Hi
[16:08] <Edie_> How can I make my wireless usb adaptor to work on Ubuntu 11.04 computer?
[16:08] <holstein> Edie_: depends really
[16:09] <Edie_> I am using tplink 300 mbps wireless adaptor, and in an AMD system.
[16:09] <holstein> usually, the easy way is to plug the machine up to wired internet, plug the device, and look for a popup about restricted drivers
[16:10] <Edie_> Thank you for your explanation. Also, another issue is that my screen resolution is very low (1024x1080) and it says cannot detect monitor
[16:10] <holstein> http://www.tp-link.com/en/support/downloadFiles.aspx?mid=01030301&version=v1&pmodel=TL-WR1043ND
[16:10] <Edie_> so is it because my graphic card does not have a driver
[16:10] <holstein> looks like they have linux drivers ^
[16:11] <holstein> Edie_: well, you are using *some* driver with the graphics card
[16:11] <holstein> you can always set a manual xorg.conf file in place
[16:12] <Edie_> I am using this one, no linux driver http://www.tp-link.com/en/support/downloadFiles.aspx?mid=01030301&version=v1&pmodel=TL-WN822N
[16:12] <holstein> check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[16:13] <Edie_> I am not a programmer. How can I set x.config to support my graphic card?
[16:13] <holstein> Edie_: ??
[16:13] <holstein> im not either
[16:13] <holstein> its just a text file
[16:13] <holstein> i would say, if you are new to linux/ubuntu
[16:13] <holstein> take it slow
[16:13] <holstein> what you are asking for is going to be challenging
[16:14] <Edie_> but if I use the driver finder will i able to make the resolution 1920.1080 work?
[16:14] <holstein> you need to let the product manufacturers know that you are having a hard time using the devices they have made with linux
[16:14] <holstein> Edie_: driver finder?
[16:14] <Edie_> included in the os i think
[16:15] <holstein> i have no way of anwering that without having the hardware in front of me
[16:15] <Edie_> "additional drivers"
[16:15] <holstein> what i usually do is try some live CD's
[16:15] <holstein> Edie_: assuming theres a driver available, sure
[16:15] <holstein> i thought you had tried
[16:15] <holstein> when you said 'theres no driver for my graphics card'
[16:15] <holstein> i thought it meant just that
[16:15] <Edie_> I cant even connect to the internet before
[16:15] <holstein> OK
[16:16] <holstein> Edie_: looks like that wifi device is going to be challenging
[16:16] <holstein> can you plug in?
[16:16] <Edie_> thanks for your advice, I will try to plug into the ethernet later
[16:16] <holstein> Edie_: also
[16:17] <holstein> when you get plugged in, there software that allows you to try and use the windows drivers with linux
[16:17] <holstein> get plugged in and come in here, and we'll get you sorted
[16:17] <Edie_> thank you very much, you have been a great help to me
[16:17] <holstein> go ahead and grab http://www.tp-link.com/common/getresource/?type=Driver&resource=TL-WN821N_WN822N_100629.zip too
[16:18] <holstein> and unzip it
[16:18] <Edie_> that one work for linux?
[16:18] <holstein> we'll try it
[16:18] <Edie_> okay
[16:18] <Edie_> i will come back later
[16:18] <holstein> we'll try the arusb_xp.inf in there
[17:24] <bobobobbobob> argggg
[17:24] <bobobobbobob> h
[17:24] <bobobobbobob> LOL
[17:24] <julie101010> what's the matter bobobobbobob?
[17:24] <bobobobbobob> I have a machine that is way too strong for what I am using it for.
[17:24] <bobobobbobob> I am using it for a LAMP at the moment
[17:25] <julie101010> too strong?
[17:25] <bobobobbobob> I am wondering if there is a way to save the install on it now to a VM and then change the system into a virtualization server
[17:25] <bobobobbobob> 8GB / dual quad core
[17:25] <bobobobbobob> 2 nics
[17:25] <bobobobbobob> LOL, too strong
[17:26] <bobobobbobob> originally it was doing ffmpeg
[17:26] <bobobobbobob> just right for that
[17:26] <julie101010> that'd be complicated but why not install vmware and install as many virtual systems as you like
[17:27] <bobobobbobob> I could do that, not sure how to convert the current webserver into a vm though.  :(  I hate to take the chance of screwing up wordpress and its db again
[17:28] <bobobobbobob> oh, you mean install vmware on the current box and virtualize from there?
[17:29] <bobobobbobob> i could install ESXi, I suppose but then i still need to get this current ubuntu installation into a VM
[17:30] <holstein> you *should* be able to dd copy the install, and get away with it
[17:30] <holstein> might have to edit the UUID
[17:30] <holstein> assuming the hardware is recognized , or vitrual hardware in this case
[17:30] <bobobobbobob> i know what you mean
[17:31] <bobobobbobob> that is the gotcha, I am afraid
[17:32] <bobobobbobob> maybe it would be easier to install ubuntu in the VM from scratch and just move data over, but then i would need to dump db and reconstitue, correct?
[17:33] <holstein> i would think so, but its arguably easier
[17:33] <bobobobbobob> i think you might be right, then i am only copying the website and the db over....sort of
[17:34] <holstein> *in theory sure
[17:34] <julie101010> bobobobbobob, you don't need to copy your current system in a virtual box
[17:34] <holstein> i mean, i would try that first... keep the source in place, and you can try the entire system if needed
[17:34] <julie101010> just install vmware player and create new virtual machines on your current setup
[17:36] <bobobobbobob> k thanks, i will see what damage i can cause  lol
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[18:16] <julie101010> hi kristian-aalborg
[18:23] <Adidas> Hello?
[18:26] <holstein> o/
[18:26] <holstein> Adidas: if you get a minute, check out the /topic :)
[18:27] <Adidas> Ahh got it
[18:28] <Adidas> I have an old Dell that I installed Ubuntu Server on and for some reason I can't get it to ping google.com
[18:28] <Adidas> What are the first steps to troubleshoot?
[18:28] <Adidas> I am remoting in via putty
[18:29] <holstein> hmmm... so you are able to connect to it via SSH?
[18:29] <Adidas> yes
[18:29] <holstein> that confirms that the network hardware is working
[18:29] <Adidas> yup
[18:29] <holstein> i would say, if you have edit something to make it have a static IP, double check those settings
[18:29] <Adidas> whenever I use apt-get it appears to download but then I get Temporary failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[18:30] <holstein> right, i say you are not 'online' somehow
[18:30] <holstein> you are obviously on your local net though
[18:30] <Adidas> I set it so it was static...I think
[18:31] <holstein> well, figure out *if* you did, then look at *how*, and try disabling that temporarily
[18:31] <holstein> reboot, and ping on a dynamic setup, then you know what the issue is
[18:32] <Adidas> ok so I assume to do this I need to change ifconfig so it uses DHCP?
[18:33] <holstein> Adidas: i would sort out what you did to make it static, and undo it that way
[18:33] <holstein> maybe look at your history
[18:35] <Adidas> Yeah I think I am confusing myself. I was referring to /etc/network/interfaces, but I will check my command hist
[18:36] <Adidas> interfaces is showing eth0 as dhcp
[18:37] <Adidas> looks like I used this cmd
[18:37] <Adidas> ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[18:38] <Adidas> so if I reboot will that discard that and return the server to using DHCP?
[18:39] <Adidas> also if I sound like I am going about this the wrong way please let me know?
[18:40] <Adidas> This is all new to me (including IRC), but I am really eager to wrap my head around this
[18:44] <Adidas> ok so I am able to ping google
[18:44] <Adidas> What is the proper way to set up a static IP on this server?
[18:44] <holstein> Adidas: just back that file up temporarily, and reboot as a test
[18:45] <holstein> then, you'll know if that file is the issue or not
[18:45] <holstein> OH, actually im just catching up
[18:45] <holstein> so, as dynamic IP, you are good right?
[18:45] <Adidas> yes
[18:45] <Adidas> I haven't tried apt-get yet
[18:46] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[18:46] <holstein> this looks like how i would do it
[18:46] <Adidas> awesome thanks. I will try it out.
[18:47] <holstein> Adidas: yup, now you know what the deal is :)
[18:47] <holstein> let us know if you need more help with it
[19:00] <Adidas> looks like I screwed the pooch
[19:00] <Adidas> I am going to have to hook up my monitor to the thing to get into it now
[19:00] <Adidas> but I did get the following errors before I got to this point
[19:01] <Adidas> Virtual packages like 'dhcp-client' can't be removed
[19:02] <Adidas> and then when I tried to restart the network adapter with init.d/networking restart
[19:02] <Adidas> SIOCDELRT: No such process
[19:03] <Adidas> I will report more when I get the monitor hooked up after lunch
[19:04] <holstein> Adidas: i think that package has been renamed
[19:04] <holstein> search for what you have with dhcp in the name
[19:06] <Adidas> thanks man I will take a look in about an hour or two. I have a hungry wife looking for food.
[19:07] <Adidas> hungry pregnant wife
[19:07] <holstein> Adidas: cool, you'll get it, its not a big deal really, just a little fiddly at first
[20:12] <IT-Duck> Can anyone recommend partition sizes for a 160gb hard drive with Ubuntu (/home on a seperate partition)? I plan on running Ubuntu for every day use (plus web dev. and metasploit)
[20:13] <IT-Duck> How much is needed for Ubuntu?
[20:37] <holstein> IT-Duck: hey
[20:37] <holstein> what else is going on the drive?
[20:38] <holstein> if i had a dual boot with windows going on, i might do 60gb's for win
[20:38] <holstein> and the rest for buntu
[20:38] <holstein> i think anything over 20 totally will be fine though
[20:38] <holstein> i would consider 6 or 8gb's minimum
[20:38] <holstein> ive had 4gb installs
[20:39] <IT-Duck> I plan on using it for everday use plus metasploit, gnome, fluxbox, and random apps (bluefish, conky, etc.)
[20:40] <IT-Duck> no winblows, just ubunut on a netbook
[20:41] <IT-Duck> I'm thinking 12gb for / and the rest on /home
[20:41] <IT-Duck> not sure what size I'll make swap yet (1gb ram)
[20:41] <IT-Duck> any suggestions?
[20:43] <holstein> that should be fine
[21:03]  * nlsthzn waves
[21:35] <Adidas> holstein: I am back. Apparently I put in the wrong IP...funny stuff. Anyway, it is working, but I have one question
[21:36] <jimmie> He may be dead, or atleast AFK
[21:36] <jimmie> So i'd just leave your question Adidas
[21:36] <Adidas> alright cool
[21:37] <holstein> Adidas: i got a minute, then its lunchtime :)
[21:37] <holstein> whats up?
[21:37] <Adidas> anyway, I had an issue with my network config. When I restart my network I get "Failed to bring up eth0", but everything is working
[21:37] <Adidas> any clue? or should I just be happy everything is working?
[21:38] <holstein> yeah, if it aint broke...
[21:38] <Adidas> yeah I thought so
[21:38] <holstein> lunch...BBL
[21:38] <Adidas> alright cool thanks again


[01:06] <kenvandine> robru, ack'd an publishing
[01:09] <robru> kenvandine: tanks
[01:09] <kenvandine> robru, np
[01:20] <robru> bbl
[04:12] <robru> Mirv: the fix I did that made uncommitted branches go away broke dual silos
[04:13] <robru> Mirv: the watch phase in a dual silo watches the wily build twice
[04:13] <robru> Mirv: I'm working on a proper fix but won't be able to land it today
[04:13] <robru> Mirv: so for your shift you should double check vivid builds before publishing
[04:53] <Mirv> robru: ok, thanks for telling, I'll do manual checks.
[04:54] <robru> Mirv: actually it's only 10, I may roll out tonight... just working on unit tests.
[04:55] <robru> the trick is that if I rollout I need to stay up at least long enough to confirm nothing exploes.
[04:55] <Mirv> heh, ok, we'll manage either way
[05:23] <robru> nah I better not roll out so late, I'm getting sleepy
[05:24] <robru> Mirv: yeah I'll sleep on this and roll out first thing tomorrow.
[05:51] <Mirv> robru: sounds like a good idea
[06:04] <robru> Mirv: maybe warn people that it's possible that vivid builds fail but train reports only wily status
[06:04] <robru> Only for today though, my fix is good i think
[06:05] <robru> Mirv: oh actually, what would you prefer? I could revert the thing that introduced this bug, but then we're back to "merge failed due to uncommitted changes" when merging silos
[06:11] <Mirv> robru: yes, I'll look a bit what people are doing and tell them
[06:12] <Mirv> robru: I think this is better, we can glance the vivid builds a bit more closely
[06:13] <robru> Mirv: OK, yeah the uncommitted changes thing required a lot of futzing in train internals when it arose.
[07:25] <Mirv> pstolowski: hey! so they thing is that the branch did already go through QA and was landed on Monday. but since this x86-only webbrowser unit test flakiness was found out, it'd be good to understand if we're truly safe with it or not. the silo 054 is only there to test how the revert would look like, if something odd is spotted.
[07:27] <Mirv> so that's why I ran all the unit tests for packages I could think of doing network tests, in addition to the autopilot tests and manual tests done during the landing earlier.
[07:34] <pstolowski> Mirv, otp
[07:45] <dbarth_> robru: ack, will review silos this morning
[07:50] <robru> dbarth_: thanks!
[08:21] <Mirv> sil2100: so, we need to keep extra eye on vivid+dual silos for today. the watch_only currently watches over wily twice, so there's a possibility of missing a vivid build failure. robert will push the fix in the evening, but I thought it's better to live with that than with the "merge failed due to uncommitted changes" problem (a fix for which brought this regression)
[08:22] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, good to know, not sure if there will be many dual landing silos with the wily final freeze
[08:23] <Mirv> sil2100: well final beta freeze will be over in <12h
[08:23] <Mirv> sil2100: not final freeze, final beta freeze :)
[08:24] <Mirv> final freeze Oct 15th
[08:24] <sil2100> Oh, right, indeed ;)
[08:24] <sil2100> Now that sounds better
[08:34] <dbarth_> hey o/ can a ci admin help me upload oxide-qt 1.9.3 to silo 21 ?
[08:35] <dbarth_> it is now available in the phablet-team ppa, courtesy of oSoMon
[08:35] <pstolowski> Mirv, hey, I'm not sure what to do, as far as arm is concerned all looks fine with latest rc-proposed images. I guess it would be worth checking x86, but that would require unity8 environment on the desktop
[08:35] <dbarth_> we need a full source rebuild, to catch the right media-hub dependency which is in the overlay ppa
[08:41] <sil2100> dbarth_: let help you
[08:41] <Mirv> pstolowski: right, it was just an idea if you can come up with anything extra to check or run in a loop, and also as a FYI that something has changed. it'd be nice of course to have a test case to trigger that error message sometimes seen without this bug fix.
[08:42] <sil2100> dbarth_: will need to re-build the source package, this will take a while
[08:42] <dbarth_> sil2100: oh yes, it will take time, but that's really required now
[08:42] <dbarth_> thanks
[08:43] <sil2100> dbarth_: the rebuild too, but I meant that before uploading it to the PPA I need to re-build the source to get it a new version number, which usually takes a while on my PC - but it's in progress
[08:50] <Mirv> sil2100: if you didn't notice, the Monday's qtbase landing makes one webbrowser unit test flaky on x86 only. oSoMoN is trying to understand it. the Monday's fix is a further fix to another fix which upstream urged everyone to ship on May (the previous fix is already in OTA-6). https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/120738
[08:51] <Mirv> sil2100: I rebuilt all scopes, unity8 etc to have unit test results in addition to AP results, but only that one test on x86 seems to become flaky. if something is noted, there's a revert silo 054 which can be tested with.
[08:51] <dbarth_> sil2100: ah, i thought you could do a ppa copy? is there something we can do next time for the version number?
[08:52] <Mirv> sil2100: but the fix could/should also fix random network failures, and at least pstolowski had seen the symtom in scope logs earlier when multiple requests were queued (which this new landed patch fixes), so as long as everything seems perfect on armhf I'd vote to keep the patch in
[08:53] <sil2100> dbarth_: we can't do a PPA copy because since it's a rebuild, we need to have a different version number
[08:53] <dbarth_> hmm ok, so we could have spared the re-upload to phablet; good to know anyway
[08:54] <sil2100> Mirv: I would also opt for keeping the patch released in this case, only considering reverting it if the flaky test seems unfixable for some reason
[09:09] <Saviq> psivaa, hey, so I've been trying to get the dependencies fixed... unfortunately there's a lot of alternatives between unity8 and qtmir, and when upgrading just unity8... apt decides it's better to remove qtmir-android and ubuntu-touch instead of upgrading them...
[09:11] <psivaa> Saviq: this is with image 191?
[09:11] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12540313/
[09:11] <Saviq> psivaa, 183 on mako, same thing
[09:12] <Saviq> it's basically because qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin has qtmir-desktop | qtmir-android
[09:13] <psivaa> Saviq: yea,  I do not have an idea as to how to proceed with this. testing a devel package on an older image doesn't look very suitable
[09:13] <Saviq> and apt apparently decides the first one is better than the second, even if it causes a removal of some packages instead of just upgrades
[09:13] <Saviq> psivaa, well, it *should* work, that's why we have the elaborate dependency chains...
[09:14] <Saviq> psivaa, one thing that comes to mind
[09:15] <Saviq> psivaa, is we could add "ubuntu-touch" to the list of packages for apt-get install, that makes apt choose the right solution...
[09:15] <Saviq> and we always want ubuntu-touch don't we... only adverse effect might be its otherwise unnecessary upgrade
[09:25] <psivaa> Saviq: ok, we could try adding ubuntu-touch to the apt-get install list, obviously i'm not entirely sure of its effects on other package tests
[09:27] <Saviq> psivaa, IIUC that boottest only runs on touch, right? so ubuntu-touch is always there... the only point where it could be a problem is when there's a new ubuntu-touch package
[09:28] <psivaa> Saviq: right, it only runs on touch.
[09:29] <psivaa> Saviq: and yes, when there is a new ubuntu-touch and there is another package to test, we'd actually be testing an environment of both upgraded
[09:38] <alan_g> cihelp I'm not sure why, but we've just had a couple of new jobs added to Mir CI (mir-wily-i386-ci and mir-mediumtests-builder-wily-armhf). They are failing consistently and blocking work - can we disable them please? (We will want to re-enable once we've resolved the problems with those targets.)
[09:40] <psivaa> alan_g: aiui, this was a request based on  https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/cupstream2distro-config/add-mir-priority-jobs/+merge/272138
[09:42] <alan_g> psivaa: that request was for them to be added as without their failures affecting the CI PASS. That isn't what I see.
[09:44] <psivaa> alan_g: do you have  a job that these are affecting
[09:45] <psivaa> a link i mean
[09:45] <alan_g> https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/fix-ftbfs-against-mesa-11/+merge/272203
[09:45] <alan_g> Although... there's another failure too.
[09:47] <alan_g> I guess it could be clearer which build results affect the overall result.
[09:48] <psivaa> alan_g: yea, since these are specifically marked nonfatal, it should be the other failure that's causing the MP to fail
[09:49] <alan_g> psivaa: thanks for the help.
[10:03] <Saviq> psivaa, just noticed one thing though, the apt-get command has a -t ${release-proposed}, ubuntu-touch might not be in proposed... but would apt-get install a package from release pocket to satisfy a dependency of a proposed package when -t ${release}-proposed is used?
[10:10] <Saviq> psivaa, FWIW, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12540662/ made the boottest pass for me with silo 38
[10:11] <psivaa> Saviq: looking
[10:12] <psivaa> Saviq: curious how this would have installed the actually required packages from -proposed?
[10:12] <Saviq> psivaa, you mean without -t wily-proposed?
[10:13] <psivaa> Saviq: yes
[10:13] <Saviq> psivaa, -t is just prioritizing
[10:13] <psivaa> Saviq: ahh ack, so the needs_install.packages were actually installed from wily-proposed
[10:14] <Saviq> psivaa, from silo 38 in fact
[10:14] <Saviq> psivaa, I only removed it because I was testing with the PPA, it should be fine with it when the packages are in proposed
[10:14]  * Saviq tries with something that's actually in proposed
[10:15] <Saviq> only question is if apt-get will be fine with ubuntu-touch not being in proposed when -t wily-proposed is passed
[10:22] <Saviq> trainguards, mir from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/365 is UNAPPROVED queue, is that because of FF? is there a plan to deal with that these days?
[10:23]  * Saviq starts thinking we should start a wily overlay..
[10:24] <Mirv> Saviq: yes, because of that, the final beta freeze should be over later today
[10:25] <ogra_> Saviq, no need to "start" anything ... the existing one could serve more than one release
[10:28] <Mirv> Saviq: a given idea for the eventual wily -> wily + 1 delay from slangasek was configuring dual landings to be both to the overlay (although train does not support such at the moment)
[10:28] <Mirv> but that's not needed for this ending-very-soon freeze, more like when the final freeze hits in on Oct 15th
[10:29] <Mirv> and then when wily + 1 opens the overlay/wily can be copied there
[10:30] <Saviq> ogra_, d'oh, of course
[10:49] <Saviq> psivaa, so, while I couldn't properly verify because of the beta freeze, IMO http://paste.ubuntu.com/12540898/ should work
[10:51] <psivaa> Saviq: thanks for this. I'll make a note of it and give it a try, may be when the freeze is over
[10:57] <Saviq> psivaa, btw, can't see any boottest results in excuses, have they been disabled?
[10:58] <Saviq> also... shouldn't nm have been blocked in migration when it broke the boottest? :)
[10:59] <psivaa> Saviq: yea, i dont see them either, disabling them is not on our side, may be the release team did?
[10:59] <psivaa> Saviq: as per how nm slipped in, the boottesting is done after provisioning + and then installing the package.
[10:59] <psivaa> so the nm would not have broken boottest
[10:59] <Saviq> right
[11:01] <psivaa> sil2100: do you know if boottesting is disabled in the britney side?
[11:24] <sil2100> psivaa: it shouldn't, I only saw some propositions but nothing definite
[11:56] <psivaa> Saviq: not sure if you've got VPN setup, http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/psivaa-wily-boottest-unity8/9/artifact/results/log/*view*/ is with your suggestion to add ubuntu-touch, but on Krilllin though
[11:57] <psivaa> Saviq: 'ERROR: timed out waiting for Unity greeter'
[12:02] <Saviq> psivaa-lunch, unity8 and qtmir dependencies are not fixed yet (they are in silo 38)
[12:02] <Saviq> psivaa-lunch, so it only upgraded unity8 without the required qtmir upgrade
[13:20] <psivaa> Saviq: ahh ack, understand.
[14:02] <camako> trainguards, silo 57 says "Migration: mir is in the UNAPPROVED queue". What does this mean?
[14:04] <sil2100> camako: that's normal, wily is still in final beta freeze so the archive for most packages is frozen
[14:04] <camako> sil2100, so when is it going to migrate?
[14:04] <sil2100> camako: any seeded package, as per infinity's announcement, now requires an archive admin approval before migrating - and I think mir is seeded in desktop
[14:06] <sil2100> s/archive admin/release team
[14:06] <camako> sil2100, ok I see. Do I need to do anything?
[14:06] <sil2100> camako: not sure, I suppose we could poke the release team to check it and push it through later today, as the beta images should be ready around later today
[14:07] <camako> sil2100, and it's dual landing. Would this block the vivid landing too?
[14:07] <camako> kgunn ^^
[14:08] <sil2100> camako: no, the vivid landing is already released
[14:08] <sil2100> It's just the wily part that will be blocked :)
[14:08] <camako> thanks sil2100
[14:10] <dbarth> sil2100: is there an apparent reason why oxide-qt failed to buikd on armf? https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-021/+build/7935628
[14:10] <dbarth> there's no build log or indication of why it failed
[14:11] <kgunn> camako: cool
[14:12] <kgunn> well...not cool, but thanks for telling me :)
[14:12] <cjwatson> dbarth: I've retried, that was around the time of a buildd upgrade so could've been related to that
[14:12] <cjwatson> (that should have just caused builds to be retried automatically, but ...)
[14:13] <dbarth> ah
[14:14] <dbarth> cjwatson: so you retired the armhf one specifically already? or should i do something in the interface?
[14:14] <dbarth> retried, even... ;)
[14:14] <cjwatson> 2015-09-24 11:20:45+0000 [QueryProtocol,client] Scanning kishi19 failed with: Attempted to start a build on a known-bad builder.
[14:14] <cjwatson> 2015-09-24 11:20:45+0000 [QueryProtocol,client] Judged builder kishi19 (1 failures) with job PACKAGEBUILD-7935628 (1 failures): False, False
[14:14] <cjwatson> 2015-09-24 11:20:45+0000 [QueryProtocol,client] Failing job PACKAGEBUILD-7935628.
[14:14] <cjwatson> I think the sysadmin doing the upgrade may not have quite followed the prescribed ordering
[14:14] <kgunn> sil2100: yeah, so altho it landed in vivid....since it was dual landed, that does mean we have to wait for any new (dual) landings in those projects right ?
[14:14] <dbarth> hmm, welll that explains then
[14:15] <cjwatson> dbarth: I retried it in Launchpad.  If CI Train thinks the build has failed, you should do a *watch-only* build
[14:15] <cjwatson> armhf specifically, yes
[14:15] <dbarth> ok, thanks for that
[14:15] <cjwatson> Also checked, no other instances of this AFAICS
[14:15] <dbarth> i'll do a watch build in a bit once the ppa task is completed
[14:16] <cjwatson> Well, you can do it now and let the computer remember it for you :)
[14:16] <cjwatson> It'll wait for the build to complete
[14:16] <dbarth> even better !
[14:16] <dbarth> thank you sir
[14:16] <cjwatson> np
[14:17] <rvr> jamesh: Approving silo 19
[14:20] <sil2100> kgunn: theoretically yes, but if you're certain that these packages are migrated we can force-merge it
[14:21] <dbarth> hmm, the watch actually didn't go so well
[14:21] <cjwatson> ok, you need a trainguard for that
[14:21] <cyphermox> oi
[14:21] <sil2100> dbarth: what's up?
[14:21] <dbarth> yup
[14:22] <cjwatson> although: I did say "if CI Train thinks the build has failed"
[14:22] <dbarth> sil2100: trying to watch build silo 21, now that cjwatson kindly restarted the armhf build which had failed (see log above)
[14:22] <cjwatson> AFAICS, it did not think that the build had failed
[14:22] <cjwatson> the last run of the build job was nine days ago ...
[14:22] <dbarth> uh
[14:22] <cjwatson> unless I entirely fail to understand https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-1-build/build
[14:23] <dbarth> it was a manual source upload
[14:23] <cjwatson> AIUI, a watch-only build is only necessary if the train thinks the build has failed
[14:23] <cjwatson> which is why I had that "if" in my instruction
[14:24] <sil2100> dbarth: strange, there's no sync in the silo even
[14:26] <sil2100> dbarth: I think that's some bug in the train code
[14:27] <sil2100> Ah
[14:27] <sil2100> dbarth: no, wait, it's not a bug
[14:28] <sil2100> dbarth: ok, fixed, now running watch_only, seems to work
[14:28] <dbarth> ok, great
[14:29] <dbarth> thanks all
[14:29] <kgunn> sil2100: what do yo mean "certain packages are migrated" ?
[14:30] <kgunn> in the end yes, it'd be nice to have a "force merge" button..knowing that they _would_ migrate after freeze is over
[14:30] <kgunn> this way, the merge back happens, and we can continue landing new stuff, and the "new" pkg should just overwrite what's in the queue right ?
[14:58] <robru> kgunn: depends what queue you're talking about. that's already possible with Proposed pocket, but if you force merge something in UNAPPROVED, it gets deleted forever
[14:59] <kgunn> robru: ok, that i don't know "where it is"....it was mir/u-s-c from silo 57 y;day
[15:00] <robru> kgunn: I don't know either but it would have said either 'Migration: foo is in the Proposed pocket' or 'Migration: foo is in the UNAPPROVED queue'
[15:00] <robru> kgunn: basically: pockets are safe places for packages to hang out even after the silo is freed. queues aren't.
[15:04] <robru> kgunn: just read some scrollback, it was UNAPPROVED
[15:05] <robru> which is expected due to the freeze
[15:05] <kgunn> robru: assuming they create their beta today, it could at least make it into proposed ?
[15:05] <kgunn> at least i would hope that's how this works
[15:06] <robru> kgunn: yes once the freeze is lifted it would go into proposed
[15:07] <kgunn> tat
[15:07] <kgunn> ta even
[15:14] <robru> you're welcome
[15:46] <ogra_> sil2100, i need to skip today
[15:52] <popey> sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/pickerProblems/+merge/272062  we need that in _before_ OTA-7 for notes app - date picker is broken
[15:52] <popey> sil2100: I assume zsombi needs to land it, once reviewed.
[15:56] <sil2100> ogra_: ACK
[15:56] <sil2100> popey: do you know if it's targetted for any current landing?
[15:56] <sil2100> bzoltan: ^ ?
[15:56] <popey> I don't
[16:00] <robru> sil2100: meeting?
[16:47] <bzoltan_> sil2100: popey: that MR is a work in progress
[16:47] <sil2100> bzoltan_: you think it would be ready for OTA-7?
[16:47] <bzoltan_> popey: sil2100: it need to be landed first to the staging
[16:47] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  when OTA7 gates close?
[16:47] <sil2100> bzoltan_: the final freeze will be (we hope) in 2 weeks
[16:48] <sil2100> The dates aren't final yet since there was some confusion with those that Pat set
[16:48] <bzoltan_> sil2100: popey: no problem... it will make it to that
[16:48] <sil2100> bzoltan_: would it be possible to get that next week ASAP? :)
[16:49] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  i will do a landing next week for sure. So it is very much possible... but first that MR need to be approved and merged tothe staging
[18:06] <robru> bfiller: let me know if you need help with silo 48, looks like your packaging is wrong.
[18:07] <bfiller> robru: which package is broken? renatu ^^
[18:08] <robru> bfiller: renatu address-book-app has broken build depends line
[18:08] <robru> Version should come before arches
[18:08] <renatu> let me see
[18:09] <renatu> bfiller, this is the Kaleo's branches
[18:10] <robru> Kaleo: in address-book-app you've got "foo [arches] (> version)" but it should be "foo (> version) [arches]"
[18:11] <Kaleo> kenvandine, ^
[18:11] <Kaleo> robru, thanks
[18:12] <robru> Kaleo: lol did ken make that mistake? He should know better...
[18:13] <Kaleo> robru, yeah, one beer :)
[18:14] <robru> Heh
[18:21] <robru> Kaleo: nah, it's from this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/address-book-app/converged_bottom_edge/+merge/270693 blame fboucault
[18:22] <robru> bfiller: ^
[18:22] <Kaleo> robru, nah I merged ken's MR that creates the issue into that one :)
[18:22] <Kaleo> kenvandine, youa around?
[18:23] <robru> Kaleo: oh, you are fboucault, lol
[18:23] <Kaleo> robru, funny heh
[18:23] <robru> Kaleo: nice to meet you ;-)
[18:45] <kenvandine> Kaleo, yeah, what's up?
[18:45] <Kaleo> kenvandine, in address-book-app you've got "foo [arches] (> version)" but it should be "foo (> version) [arches]"
[18:45] <Kaleo> kenvandine,  ;)
[18:46] <Kaleo> kenvandine, I fixed it locally in my branch that merges yours
[18:46] <kenvandine> ugh
[18:46] <kenvandine> ok
[18:46] <kenvandine> cool
[18:46] <kenvandine> thx :)
[18:49] <robru> kenvandine: hey while you're around can you publish a couple silos? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/publishable ;-)
[18:50] <kenvandine> robru, i'll take a look
[18:51] <robru> kenvandine: thanks
[19:03] <robru> blam
[19:03] <kenvandine> robru, done ;)
[19:39] <camako> sil2100, are the beta images done? Should we talk to the release team to approve silo 57 migration (Mir 0.16)?
[20:08] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can the i386 and amd64 builds for vivid be retried in silo 46 please? (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-046/+build/7936554 and https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-046/+build/7936551)
[20:09] <oSoMoN> trainguards: and on a related note, would it be reasonable to give permission to the person who owns a silo to retry a failed build for one given arch?
[20:10] <oSoMoN> (reasonable and doable, of course)
[20:47] <sil2100> ogra_: on it
[20:48] <sil2100> I mean
[20:48] <sil2100> ogra_: scratch that
[20:48] <sil2100> oSoMoN: on it (even though he's gone)
[20:49] <robru> sil2100: oh i tried already, dias it need it again?
[20:57] <sil2100> They were failed, so probably they fail constantly...


[15:11] <athos> qa-help: I see lots of missing (old) results for focal test runs. e.g.: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/postgresql-common has no foca/jammy results (the focal ones were ran by me this week).
[15:11] <athos> Any idea on what is going on?
[15:13] <Skia> that may be related to the autopkgtest database still being repopulated (pulling results from swift is really not fast), but andersson123 will confirm that. I'll ping him.
[15:19] <Skia> he confirmed
[15:56] <athos> Skia: thanks :)


[02:24] <amurray> good morning
[02:25] <Unit193> Hellos.
[02:26] <amurray> sarnold hallyn: apparently those talks were recorded and they were going to send a link out afterwards so I'll share it when/if that happens
[02:27] <amurray> hey Unit193 :)
[02:27] <sarnold> amurray: wonderful! thanks :D
[02:28] <amurray> sarnold hallyn: actually it looks like it is already up - https://www.unsw.edu.au/engineering/john-lions-distinguished-lectures
[02:29] <amurray> seems to miss the first 2 lectures since I see Margo in the first frame ...
[02:30] <hallyn> amurray: awesome.  thanks :)
[02:32] <hallyn> wow that is one. long. video :)
[02:32] <sarnold> there's probably two hours of 'break' between butler and everyone else
[02:32] <sarnold> apparently australia doesn't pay by the byte any more :)
[02:35] <hallyn> lol
[02:35] <hallyn> i do !
[02:36] <Unit193> sarnold: Upgraded to KB finally?
[02:37] <sarnold> hahaha
[02:49] <JanC> SSL certs aren't very useful for defense-in-depth unless you restrict the CAs
[04:52] <Madars> it for sure raises the bar from "anyone on your local net". with certificate transparency a newly issued cert for security.ubuntu.com would be noticed (with CAB Forum consequences), and getting one in the first place is non-trivial (compromise a CA, hijack ubuntu.com DNS, etc).
[05:02] <JanC> considering some commercial CAs routinely provide "security companies" with MitM certificates for their gateway devices...
[08:18] <amurray> new podcast episode just went up
[08:23] <bittin> did listened to todays podcast episode now, and have moved myself over to the right irc channel :)
[10:27] <mdeslaur> good morning