[02:46] <intrader> Reporting back about bug 631130. An automatic update updated the NVIDIA driver to version .18 (from .17). I am still testing, but it seems better. I have noted in bug report
[02:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[05:39] <xelister> kmail's address book is unusable, making entire program unsuitable for any serious use
[05:39] <xelister> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/643248  can we set its prio
[05:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 643248 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "kmail problems with kaddressbook - what is used for autocomplete, how to edit it (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[05:46] <persia> xelister, Looks like it's "Medium" to me (normal class of bug), but I don't like to set importance until we're a little closer to having any idea why it doesn't work, personally.
[08:47] <micahg> where would a bug against the xfce menu go?
[08:48] <persia> Probably xfce3-panel or libsfcemenu
[08:48] <persia> Err, libxfce4menu
[08:49]  * micahg will file against the panel, there are 2 entries for logout
[08:49] <persia> And xfce4-panel
[08:49] <persia> Oh, that might be a xubuntu-settings thing.  Dunno.
[08:50]  * micahg will file and check with charlie-tca later
[08:50] <persia> That's best :)  It probably needs triage to determine what causes the issue: same as with gnome-panel, where any of 10 packages can cause the issue
[09:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: can you make a screenshot of that?
[09:26] <micahg> mr_pouit: how can I get the menu to stay open for a screenshor?
[09:26] <mr_pouit> mmh, add a delay?
[09:27] <micahg> mr_pouit: will do
[09:32] <micahg> mr_pouit: done, bug 644969
[09:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 644969 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "2 Log Out menu entries in the Xfce menu (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644969
[09:34] <mr_pouit> thanks
[09:35] <mr_pouit> micahg: I think you're using the default menu file (from xfce not xubuntu)
[09:35] <micahg> mr_pouit: how can I check?
[09:36] <mr_pouit> in the plugin configuration, check from which directory is the menu file
[09:38]  * micahg doesn't know where that is
[09:41] <mr_pouit> micahg: mmmh, $HOME/.config/xfce4/panel/menu-plugin.rc or something like that
[09:41] <micahg> mr_pouit: it doesn't show one
[09:43] <mr_pouit> micahg: do you use gdm?
[09:44] <micahg> mr_pouit: I switched to kdm
[09:44] <mr_pouit> and do you use the 'xfce' or 'xubuntu' session?
[09:44]  * micahg can make sure that the xubuntu session is loaded next time and verify
[09:44]  * micahg doesn't remember
[09:44] <mr_pouit> anyway, it will probably only work with gdm
[09:45] <micahg> oh?  that sounds like a bug
[09:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: well, that's not really a bug, it just relies on a gdm script which sets XDG_CONFIG_DIRS automatically...
[09:46] <micahg> oh, so maybe it's a bug in kdm if that's not being set
[09:47] <mr_pouit> well, wishlist at most, but the xsession.d script from gdm is ubuut-specific afaik
[09:47] <micahg> I have a xfce4-menu-1.rc file in that directory
[09:47] <micahg> well, I won't switch back to gdm until they fix the user list issue
[09:49] <persia> which user list issue?
[09:49] <micahg> persia: no option to turn off the user list, was that fixed for maverick?
[09:50] <mr_pouit> micahg: anyway, these extras menu entries are added by xubuntu-default-settings, but with the xubuntu default menu file, the old ones are not visible (with the xfce4 menu file, they are though, and I don't really intend to fix that)
[09:50] <mr_pouit> micahg: so you can probably set $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS manually to fix that
[09:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: k, thanks
[09:50] <persia> micahg, No idea (but it oughtn't be that hard to fix if one wants to fiddle)
[09:52] <micahg> looks like it should be fixed, I'll try it now
[09:52] <micahg> brb
[09:58] <cjae> ok this is a huge and I have mentioned it since 7.04, if someone adds an incorrect deb line via gui or /etc/apt/sources.list the gui will crash letting non-cli users fix it
[09:58] <cjae> the only way I can see to fix it is editing sources list
[09:59] <cjae> by gui I mean synaptic
[10:03] <micahg> mr_pouit: looks much better with xubuntu session
[10:03] <micahg> persia: gdm user list thing still broke
[13:39] <AbhiJit> hi
[14:04] <xelister> hello
[14:06] <xelister> would it be possible for [one of] best email client on linux  to be at least as good as outlook was since around 1999 - to have a working address book? Because mine address book is not working - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/643248
[14:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 643248 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "kmail problems with kaddressbook - what is used for autocomplete, how to edit it (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[14:09] <kamusin> ooh ubot2.0 has more superpowers :O
[16:31] <kamusin> bug 1
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 19 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 598) (heat: 3016)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[16:46] <kamusin> bug 5
[16:46] <ubot2> kamusin: Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private
[16:48] <micahg> !msgthebot | kamusin
[16:48] <ubot2> kamusin: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots.  Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".
[16:49] <devildante> micahg, sorry for that... I'm the one who tells him to do that :p
[16:49] <devildante> then again, I told him to /query ubot2 :p
[16:51] <devildante> anyway, I can't access bug 5 even though I'm in BC now
[16:51] <ubot2> devildante: Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private
[16:51] <devildante> any reasons why?
[16:52] <devildante> (kamusin also can't access it)
[16:52] <kamusin> micahg,  sorry for the noise
[17:02] <charlie-tca> sometimes access also depends on the actual package it is filed against
[17:02] <devildante> I suppose it could be a private bug against Launchpad itself?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> possible
[17:06] <kamusin> well .. we tried  devildante :P
[17:06] <devildante> heh :p
[17:07] <dandel> which channel is the best channel to report and help test backport bugs?
[17:08] <devildante> this one? :p
[17:08]  * devildante is not sure
[17:08] <dandel> ok... then i'll get to reporting.
[17:08] <dandel> bug 607505 - (Vlc backport), has broken 64-bit packages on the testing.
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607505 in lucid-backports "[test-pkg-a] Please backport VLC 1.1.3 (affects: 4) (heat: 25)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607505
[17:09] <dandel> all that is seen is the 32-bit packages, and no 64-bit packages.
[17:09] <micahg> dandel: it should be 1.1.4 at thsi point
[17:09] <devildante> They will come in due time
[17:09] <micahg> dandel: I had the same issue when I tried to backport it
[17:10] <dandel> 1.1.4 or 1.1.3 doesn't matter... what matters is the testing packages that are put up don't always include the 64-bit version.
[17:10] <micahg> dandel: well, it's the responsibility of the whoever is driving/requesting the backport to work on it
[17:10] <dandel> another bug that is showing a break is bug 585045
[17:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585045 in lucid-backports "[test-pkg-a] Please backport Calibre 0.7.13 (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585045
[17:11] <micahg> dandel: there's nothing to report there, you can poke in #ubuntu-motu if a dev is available to look at it
[17:57] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in three minutes in #ubuntu-quality
[18:27] <MichealH> How would I go about a feature request?
[18:27] <MichealH> File a bug?
[18:31] <vish> MichealH: if its a small request then yes
[18:31] <vish> MichealH: if its a much larger change , nearly a new idea , then brainstorm
[18:33] <MichealH> vish: I would like the default evolution mesage to use branding
[18:34] <MichealH> vish: Would that be BIG or small
[18:35] <charlie-tca> That would mean sending all your messages html?
[18:35] <vish> MichealH: i dont know what that means by "to use branding"
[18:35] <MichealH> vish: To use the Ubuntu Branding
[18:35] <AbhiJit> bye gn
[18:35] <AbhiJit> sd
[18:35] <MichealH> charlie-tca: Its local on the computer
[18:36] <vish> MichealH: still not sure...  but yeah file a bug... thats not too big
[18:37] <MichealH> vish: I haz done it
[18:37] <vish> MichealH: bug#  ?
[18:37] <MichealH> I done the thing already!
[18:38] <vish> MichealH: yeah , i meant what is the bug number .. ;)
[18:38] <MichealH> vish: I havent filed yet
[18:38] <MichealH> .topic
[18:38] <MichealH> Uhh...
[18:39] <vish> MichealH: huh! then i understood this wrong ;) <MichealH> vish: I haz done it
[18:42] <MichealH> vish: It wont let me file! :'(
[18:45] <elopio> good morning people.
[18:46] <elopio> it seems that pedro is away. Can somebody else be my mentor for today? :)
[18:46] <elopio> I have a couple of questions.
[18:46] <MichealH> Good evening elopio
[18:46] <MichealH> IM LAGGING
[18:46]  * MichealH restarts irssi
[19:08] <charlie-tca> elopio: feel free to ask your questions. Anyone here that can help you will be happy to.
[19:11] <elopio> charlie-tca: yes, thanks. I was going to shoot my question but got distracted :)
[19:11] <elopio> I'm triaging xournal bugs. But I don't know what to do with this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xournal/+bug/625145
[19:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 625145 in xournal (Ubuntu) "xournal crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New]
[19:11] <elopio> should I forward it upstream?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> it looks like us
[19:14] <charlie-tca> I think it is something we did (as in ubuntu)
[19:18] <elopio> charlie-tca: so I'll better leave it as new?
[19:18] <njin> hello fellows, can someone decript ? bug 641998
[19:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641998 in ubuntu "segfault at 0 ip 00007f7bd48ac7ac sp 00007fff53fa8610 error 4 in libperl.so.5.10.1[7f7bd47ef000+162000] (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641998
[19:18] <charlie-tca> I think so. I don't know the package, myself.
[19:19] <elopio> ok. Thanks. I'll subscribe myself to see how it gets solved.
[19:22] <charlie-tca> njin: server bug in the kernel
[19:24] <njin> charlie-tca: thanks, assign to linux
[19:29] <njin> charlie-tca: ubuntu server use apport ?
[20:04] <hggdh> yes
[20:04] <charlie-tca> njin: not sure
[20:05] <hggdh> if it is not there, 'sudo apt-get install apport' will get it; keep in mind that, by default, apport is truned off on stable releases
[20:05] <njin> thanks
[20:05] <hggdh> welcome
[20:06] <hggdh> njin: when running on a server, ideally you will move the crash file over to a system where you can run a web browser
[20:07] <njin> hggdh: Thanks
[20:09]  * njin want to know if someone have notice about pedro_
[20:09] <charlie-tca> pedro_ is off today on holiday
[20:10] <njin> thanks
[20:10]  * charlie-tca doesn't know how many days "today" is
[20:10] <njin> LOL charlie
[20:10] <hggdh> charlie-tca: when we reach tomorrow, it will be today again...
[20:10] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:10] <njin> ahhhaa
[20:11] <hggdh> so, what you said will still be (possibly) true
[20:11] <charlie-tca> and, if pedro is not here,  pedro_ is off "today" on holiday
[20:11] <hggdh> there you go :-)
[20:11] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:16]  * njin has just deleted another windows and a new ubuntu user is borning! Hip hip hurra
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[21:06] <madsy> There is no 'git' metapackage. Can/should I report that to launchpad as a feature request?
[21:09] <micahg> madsy: git-all
[21:09] <madsy> Aha
[21:09] <madsy> Good thing I asked here first then
[22:14] <GrueMaster> I have a couple of bugs that I don't think are armel specific, but more netbook image related.    Second is gnome-codec-install will fail if universe is not available in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[22:15] <GrueMaster> I don't know what creates sources.list on our preinstalled images, and haven't tried to reproduce it on x86 yet.  The other bug I have seen before on x86 but it has been a while.
[22:22] <GrueMaster> Any ideas?
[23:58] <ldunn> Looking at bug 642771, seems like a wishlist bug. Could I get someone to set the importance accordingly?
[23:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 642771 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) "my downloads needs a 'sort by status' option (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642771


[01:34] <ogra_> kyrofa, i'm  pretty sure we could just add a serial interface to all gadgets by default, lets talk tomorrow
[06:41] <mup> PR snapd#2939 closed: cmd/libsnap: add sc_string_append_char <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2939>
[07:00] <mup> PR snapd#2949 opened:  cmd/libsnap: add sc_string_append_char_pair <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2949>
[09:51] <RoninDev> Hello! Can you help me please. I try to make snap using github sources. Github sources contains perl scripts. I need to run perl build script and after it copy all directory into the snap. But my prime and stage folders are empty. I use plugin dump, scriptlet "build: perl build.pl". If i comment build scriptlet, all sources persists in destination stage and prime. But if I uncomment it, destination folders are empty
[09:52] <mup> PR snapd#2950 opened: interfaces: use spec in kmod backend, updated firewall_control, openvswitch_support, ppp <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2950>
[09:53] <mup> PR snapd#2899 closed: interfaces: use spec in kmod backend, updated firewall_control, openvswitch_support, ppp <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2899>
[09:55] <mup> PR snapd#2951 opened: interfaces: use seccomp specs <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2951>
[09:56] <mup> PR snapd#2940 closed: interfaces: use seccomp specs <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2940>
[10:25] <om26er> Hi! where can I get snapcraft lxd image ?
[10:25] <om26er> do we maintain one ?
[10:47] <ogra_> om26er, iirc a "snapcraft cleanbuild" downloads it, it should show the download location it uses (i could be wrong though)
[10:53] <om26er> ogra_: hmm, seems snapcraft downloads a normal ubuntu image and installs packages afterwards
[11:32] <kalikiana_> om26er: what else do you expect? regular snapcraft also builds on your classic ubuntu
[11:32] <om26er> kalikiana_: just an image with upto date snapcraft preinstalled :)
[11:33] <kalikiana_> om26er: You don't need snapcraft in the image. It copies itself
[12:09] <mup> PR snapd#2952 opened: release: detect if we are in ForcedDevMode by inspecting the kernel <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2952>
[14:48] <mup> PR snapd#2953 opened: release: detect if we are in ForcedDevMode by inspecting the kernel <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2953>
[14:50] <mup> Bug #1667844 changed: r1325 core snap candidate rebooting every 7 min without iTCO_wdt module loaded <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1667844>
[15:14] <mup> PR snapd#2954 opened: wip: 2nd setup-profiles done after restart for installing core <Blocked> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2954>
[15:33] <mup> PR snapd#2955 opened: cmd: fixes to run correctly on opensuse <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2955>
[15:40] <Pharaoh_Atem> wut
[15:40] <Pharaoh_Atem> mvo: openSUSE?!
[15:42] <Pharaoh_Atem> oh, these are zyga commits in disguise
[15:53] <mup> Bug #1642581 changed: Livepatch checkState: check-failed <Snappy:New> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642581>
[16:10] <kyrofa> Hey ogra_, I don't think the serial-port interface has an "all" option, does it?
[16:11] <ogra_> kyrofa, no, but if your plug defines it and the device is fixed it should still work
[16:12] <kyrofa> ogra_, judging from this comment, the definition of individual devices actually needs to be slot-side right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1645445/comments/2
[16:12] <mup> Bug #1645445: Turtlebot needs /dev/kobuki <snapd-interface> <snapd:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645445>
[16:13] <kyrofa> ogra_, i.e. in the gadget itself
[16:14] <ogra_> kyrofa, so we could define two at least .... /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyUSB0
[16:19] <kyrofa> ogra_, yeah that's the best we could do I think, and it doesn't help I'm afraid. Not only does it not work for multiple devices, but the inability to determine which device is which means even if we expanded that it's not very helpful
[16:20] <kyrofa> ogra_, we have udev as an interface backend. I don't understand why the serial-port is slot-only
[16:20] <ogra_> why ? if you have a single usb dongle attached it will always be USB0
[16:20] <kyrofa> ogra_, as soon as you have more than one that breaks down
[16:20] <ogra_> and if there is a local serial port the first one is always ttyS0
[16:21] <ogra_> indeed
[16:21] <ogra_> but it works for a single serial port device, either native or USB
[16:21] <ogra_> and you can add more slots ... USB1 ttyS1
[16:21] <ogra_> for USB that becomes kind of tricky indeed
[16:22] <ogra_> since the order wont be fixed
[16:22] <kyrofa> ogra_, yeah that's what I mean by the inability to determine which device is which
[16:22] <ogra_> and you have multiple in all your cases ? ?
[16:23] <kyrofa> For my specific use-case, no. I'm currently only using one. But in the systems I've used in the past we had several
[16:25] <thresh> so... "\Adjusting snap declaration for the slot side to include "deny-auto-connection": "true" since it was mistakenly omitted.â" what does that mean?
[16:56] <kyrofa> thresh, where are you seeing that?
[18:27] <lazyPower> is there a way to skip the fetch phase of the dump plugin? My upstream source seems to be having flakey connectivity issues today, i have the .tar.bz2 source already fetched, seems like it should just take that unless i clean it?
[18:27] <kyrofa> lazyPower, if the pull step has already completed it shouldn't be trying it again
[18:27] <kyrofa> lazyPower, are you cleaning it each time?
[18:27] <lazyPower> kyrofa: :| thats unfortunate. its attempting to fetch etcd over and over
[18:28] <lazyPower> i was, however i've placed the release tarball its expecting in $PWD and it seems to think thats not good enough, its still attempting to fetch it.
[18:28] <kyrofa> lazyPower, yeah snapcraft does its own state tracking
[18:28] <kyrofa> lazyPower, stop cleaning the pull step, then. You can clean each step of the lifecycle individually. If you don't want to pull again, just clean back to the build step: snapcraft clean -s build
[18:29] <lazyPower> ahhhh ok
[18:29] <kyrofa> lazyPower, you can do that per-part as well: snapcraft clean <part> -s build
[18:29] <lazyPower> now i just need to get past this connectivity issue and we should be golden once i've got the package fetched again
[18:29] <lazyPower> thanks for the details kyrofa
[18:29] <kyrofa> lazyPower, it's why I'm here! Any time
[18:30] <lazyPower> oh, also! I discovered what my issue seems to have been wrt snap refresh bailing... (i think it was zyga that followed up actually... but i pinged you instead. derp!) https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1668659
[18:30] <mup> Bug #1668659: Using snaps in lxd can be problematic during refresh (using squashfuse) <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668659>
[18:30] <lazyPower> looks like squashfuse works great until you go to refresh and the apparmor profile steps in to create schenanigans
[18:30] <kyrofa> Ah interesting
[18:30] <lazyPower> so its isolated to lxd, i gave it some additional love on clouds and things were working as expected
[18:31] <lazyPower> i expected to find dragons in there tbh... snaps in lxd is still experimental no?
[18:31] <kyrofa> lazyPower, as far as I know, yes. But that's a better question for stgraber
[18:31] <lazyPower> fair enough, consult with the oracle of containers
[18:31] <kyrofa> Indeed :)
[18:44] <lazyPower> kyrofa: i just need to edit a shellscript to resolve some syntax errors i built with the last push. is it going to set off alarms if i just edit the wrapper in place?
[18:45] <lazyPower> on the installed unit (not sure if we tripwire or crc check or whatever integrity checks in snaps... but i know its a big deal)
[18:45] <kyrofa> lazyPower, "in place" meaning what... within the installed snap itself? You will quickly become sad if so
[18:46] <lazyPower> oooookay, thats why i asked before i hozed it :)
[18:46] <kyrofa> lazyPower, haha, so yes, that's what you meant?
[18:47] <kyrofa> lazyPower, we don't check the integrity within the snap as it's immutable-- it's a squashfs image, you can't actually change it
[18:47] <kyrofa> lazyPower, so: you won't be sad because things will break, but because you won't actually succeed
[18:47] <lazyPower> ooo
[18:47] <lazyPower> okay, well that makes sense
[18:48] <lazyPower> sorry still wrapping my head around the tech and poking it with progressively longer sticks to see what it does
[18:48] <kyrofa> lazyPower, squashfs is a compressed filesystem that is by definition read-only
[18:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#1164 opened: tests: run the master tests against the staging server <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1164>
[18:50] <kyrofa> lazyPower, and no apology necessary, sorry if I came off as abrasive there, I'm just messing with ya
[18:51] <lazyPower> no way :) you're good kyrofa
[18:51] <kyrofa> lazyPower, are you still developing this snap? Or when you say "[...] with the last push" did you release something?
[18:51] <lazyPower> not to the store, no. I'm picking up where sabdfl left off with etcd and massaging it into the charm
[18:52] <kyrofa> lazyPower, do you know about `snap try`?
[18:52] <lazyPower> i do not
[18:52] <kyrofa> lazyPower, well, squashfs images being read-only is a cool, important part of the snap story. But it's incredibly annoying when you're still developing your snap, as you may have noticed
[18:52] <lazyPower> yeah, this looks like the devmode stuff from before but minus the squashfs bits
[18:52] <lazyPower> interesting
[18:53] <kyrofa> lazyPower, snapcraft's 'prime' step creates a `prime` directory that is literally the final snap, but not put into the final image
[18:54] <kyrofa> lazyPower, instead of running all the way through snapcraft's lifecycle, you could stop on `prime` and just `snap try prime`
[18:54] <kyrofa> lazyPower, then instead of installing/mounting the squashfs image (which would be read-only), snapd will bind-mount the `prime` directory into place and treat it as the snap
[18:54] <lazyPower> ok, i'll give this a go once i can unblock snapcraft (s3 is down \o/)
[18:54] <kyrofa> lazyPower, which means it's no longer read-only. As you change stuff in `prime`, you change the snap
[18:55] <kyrofa> lazyPower, s3 is only down in us-east I think
[18:55] <kyrofa> lazyPower, us-west-2 is working here
[18:55] <lazyPower> seems to be what i'm routing to :(
[18:55] <kyrofa> Poor guy
[18:55] <kyrofa> lazyPower, anyway, consider that your snappy lesson of the day
[18:56] <lazyPower> thanks kyrofa :) its very helpful
[18:57] <kyrofa> lazyPower, any time
[19:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#1155 closed: beta <Created by snappy-m-o> <Merged by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1155>
[19:04] <lazyPower> kyrofa: one additional question you might have insight into
[19:05] <kyrofa> lazyPower, sure
[19:05] <lazyPower> kyrofa: We have user requests to support durable storage for applications. /var/snap/$snap/$revision is a versioned fs path, i cant just bindmount the block device to a specific version. The only way to work around this would be to take over the /var/snap/$snap path?
[19:06] <kyrofa> lazyPower, durable storage = remains when the snap is removed?
[19:06] <lazyPower> well, think AWS EBS volumes.
[19:06] <lazyPower> yeah
[19:06] <kyrofa> lazyPower, ah sure
[19:06] <lazyPower> you could nuke the application, and restore from that data dir and dump + restore
[19:06] <lazyPower> but snap remove would effectively wipe that out wouldn't it?
[19:06] <kyrofa> lazyPower, I suggest using the `removable-media` plug
[19:07] <kyrofa> lazyPower, that would allow access to disks in /media/
[19:07] <lazyPower> hmmm ok
[19:07] <lazyPower> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/snappy-docs/blob/master/reference/interfaces.md - that appears undocumented
[19:07]  * lazyPower files a bug
[19:08] <kyrofa> lazyPower, I see it there
[19:08] <lazyPower> argh darn me and my typos
[19:08] <lazyPower> you are correct its inline
[19:39] <jsolano> hello, any freelancers out there in Germany or Switzerland with experience with Ubuntu Core and snaps on ARM hardware?
[19:40] <jsolano> or any hint at where to find them? Somebody I know is looking for an engineer for a short placement with this kind of experience
[19:40] <diddledan> jdstrand: I got a notification that you made a change to corebird-diddledan to a slot declaration. Do I need to make any changes to my snapcraft.yml at all for future uploads to automatically have that or is the fix entirely store-side?
[19:40] <jdstrand> diddledan: no. just a store side thing
[19:40] <kyrofa> jsolano, have you mentioned this to Canonical? They might be able to help you
[19:41] <diddledan> thanks
[19:41] <jdstrand> diddledan: np
[19:41] <jdstrand> diddledan: I just wanted you and other reviewers to know I did it
[19:41] <diddledan> cool :-)
[19:41] <jsolano> kyrofa, yes, I checked with them and I think they posted the information on linkedin, but no luck so far
[19:42] <kyrofa> jsolano, did you speak to them about a commercial engagement for them to do the work?
[19:43] <balloons> if i snap refresh --revision, what happens when the next refresh happens?
[19:43] <kyrofa> balloons, I have that same question. Chipaca, are you around to answer that one?
[19:43] <jsolano> kyrofa, actually not, I didn't think about that route, perhaps something worth considering
[19:44] <kyrofa> jsolano, direct message your contact info to me, I can put you in touch with the right people
[19:46] <kyrofa> (if you're interested, of course)
[19:54] <balloons> kyrofa, I think it would require you to be the owner to do it? I'm not sure. The same question exists if you revert to a specific revision. I imagine either way you'll be bumped forward again by the next one
[19:54] <kyrofa> balloons, indeed, I know that in order to use specific revisions you need to be a developer for the snap in question
[19:54] <kyrofa> balloons, but the question about what happens by an update, no idea
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1668738 opened: core snap with configure hook fails for some people <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668738>
[20:53] <bdmurray> Is there something equivalent to cronjobs in snaps?
[20:55] <mup> PR snapd#2945 closed: interfaces: miscellaneous policy updates for unity7, udisks2 and browser-support (LP: #1667480) <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2945>
[20:56] <lazyPower> Is there a way to query the snap package listing in a format other than smart output? I need to surface some data and >>> check_output(split('snap list | grep rclone')).strip().split(b'\n')[-1].split(b' ')[2] seems like a really ugly and brittle way to do this
[20:57] <mup> PR snapd#2946 closed: interfaces: consistently use 'const' instead of 'var' for security policy <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2946>
[20:57] <thresh> how do I ship logrotate files and systemd service files in snap packages?  I want to package a server-side software.
[20:58] <lazyPower> thresh: so snappy creates systemd files for you when you declare daemons in the snapcraft.yaml
[20:58] <lazyPower> thresh: for example i'm working with the etcd snap and it creates a 'snap.etcd.etcd' service which is the etcd systemd job that controls ensuring the daemon is up and running.
[20:58] <thresh> kyrofa, I believe jdstrand did something to my VLC snap that is uploaded to the store :)
[20:59] <thresh> lazyPower, aha, nice, thanks!
[20:59] <lazyPower> thresh: regarding the logrotate jobs, i'm not positive on that front, might be worth a ping to the snapcraft ML if nobody pipes up here
[21:02] <jdstrand> thresh: I did not touch the snap. I adjusted its snap declaration
[21:02] <thresh> jdstrand, do we have to do anything on our side?
[21:02] <jdstrand> thresh: nope
[21:02] <thresh> It was a bit weird, though.
[21:03] <jdstrand> thresh: just wanted people to know the change was made
[21:03] <thresh> OK, thanks!
[21:05] <mwhudson> can i build classic snaps in launchpad yet>
[21:05] <mwhudson> ?
[21:08] <kyrofa> mwhudson, I haven't tried lately, but I _think_ so
[21:16] <mwhudson> ah heck, i can't use the same snap name for two branches
[21:17] <mwhudson> although maybe that doesn't actually matter here
[21:19] <mwhudson> Setting up '/home/buildd/.cache/snapcraft/projects/snapcraft-core/snap_hashes/ppc64el/d8e9e73dabe243321f9df8b09e270bccfde6f273f05d90a21365aa6f77574127274479af8033389c0be076797c74a595' in '/snap/core/current'
[21:19] <mwhudson> looks promising
[21:36] <kyrofa> mwhudson, yeah, the snap name in LP is specific to LP. When it comes to uploading it, it uses the one declared in the YAML
[21:36] <mwhudson> kyrofa: makes sense, if i a bit confusing at first
[21:36] <kyrofa> Indeed
[21:38] <mwhudson> kyrofa: i guess support for auto pushing to tracks from lp is on some trello board somewhere but not yet done?
[21:38] <kyrofa> mwhudson, yeah no idea on that one
[21:39] <mwhudson> paging cjwatson wgrant etc
[21:47] <mwhudson> hmm would also be nice if snap builds dumped out the build environment like sbuild does
[21:47] <mwhudson> oh right i guess cleanbuild works with classic snaps now too
[21:48] <kyrofa> It should, yes
[21:50] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yeah, we're a bit busy atm, but it's on the agenda.
[21:52] <mup> PR snapd#2956 opened: interfaces: 'getent' by default; add /etc/ethers to network_{control,observe} <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2956>
[21:53] <jdstrand> kyrofa: fyi ^
[21:55] <kyrofa> jdstrand, hey thanks!
[21:55] <jdstrand> np
[21:55] <kyrofa> jdstrand, did you see on the mailing list that I finally learned what was going on with the DNS issues?
[21:55] <jdstrand> kyrofa: I did. a cname bug. annoying :\
[21:55] <kyrofa> Indeed
[21:56] <jdstrand> kyrofa: but at least the mystery is solved
[21:56] <kyrofa> jdstrand, no kidding. Man was I ever confused
[22:03] <jdstrand> ssweeny: fyi, this is committed now: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2945/files#diff-52246fa9c4d8b0b81c71014fbec7b1b6R91
[22:03] <mup> PR snapd#2945: interfaces: miscellaneous policy updates for unity7, udisks2 and browser-support (LP: #1667480) <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2945>
[22:04] <cjwatson> mwhudson: yep, I'm due to talk with Facu about it when not entirely swamped with MWC


[22:07] <acicula> gibbster: yup, may have ti reboot for them to persist, just delete the old eth0 reference and rename the current eth1 to eth0
[22:07] <gibbster> acicula: cool. Cheers!
[22:07] <acicula> geraudk2000: what laptop do you have?
[22:07] <root_> anybodyknow how to get sound working in a chroot inside of android?
[22:07] <radius> anyone here setup a freeradius server?
[22:08] <seba_> I can add group for all user and the group has to password available
[22:08] <acicula> hipu: eh ok, what are you attempting to fix with -f?
[22:09] <geraudk2000> acicula: gateway NV59C
[22:10] <Combatjuan> seba_: Could you try restating that?  What do you want to do?
[22:10] <acicula> geraudk2000: and when did the black screen occur, until when was it working
[22:10] <searayman> can somone help me get mlb.tv to work in ubuntu?
[22:10] <mithridates> hey guys
[22:10] <hipu> acicula i was trying to fix the java installation, but after using sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre it kinda works
[22:11] <phsoftnet> hey everyone. i have the following question: suppose windows 7 is the host and ubuntu is running as a guest in vmware player. can ubuntu (guest) and windows (host) both have the same ntfs partition mounted at the same time? so that they have some common storage space?
[22:11] <mithridates> I'm trying to install gnome3 on maverick but I can't, I added ppa and installed couple of packages but I can't get into gnome3 it's still gnome 2.5
[22:11] <popey> phsoftnet: that sounds very unwise
[22:11] <hipu> acicula but now it has a screen with an agreement that i can't accept because the button doesn't work, and Y and enter don't work
[22:11] <acicula> searayman: what does the site use?
[22:11] <geraudk2000> achillion: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6587457&CatId=4965
[22:11] <geraudk2000> acicula: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6587457&CatId=4965
[22:11] <ubuntu> l
[22:12] <root_> @mith $gnome-shell --replace
[22:12] <achillion> geraudk2000: mistype?
[22:12] <searayman> acicula: just flash, but the games never load
[22:12] <ubuntu> ppl
[22:12] <phsoftnet> popey: so the only way to do that would be to export the ntfs partition from windows and mount it in ubuntu using samba?
[22:12] <acicula> geraudk2000: yeah i understand the model, no reason why it wouldnt work
[22:12] <mithridates> any idea about installing gnome 3 on ubuntu maverick?
[22:12] <geraudk2000> achillion: sorry it's a mistake
[22:13] <popey> phsoftnet: i am not familiar with vmware, but surely it has a file sharing option? virtualbox does
[22:13] <achillion> geraudk2000: no harm done :)
[22:13] <spyder48> the american
[22:13] <root_> can anybody read this?
[22:13] <hipu> root yes
[22:13] <acicula> hipu: page up or page down perhaps?
[22:13] <ubuntu>  all adress on radio  world online list where i found it?
[22:13] <seba_> restart not help
[22:13] <geraudk2000> acicula: the problem it's a driver for intel on ubuntu
[22:13] <phsoftnet> popey: i am not familiar either to be honest ... just yet
[22:14] <Clovis> Hi.. Ubuntu 10.10.  What is the best software available so I can use my webcam to record a video(with sound)?  Thanks!
[22:14] <hipu> acicula no dice...it's an agreement within terminal and i could pastebin it if you want
[22:14] <seba_> If I'm admin I can get into group
[22:14] <acicula> geraudk2000: i dont understand what you mean by that
[22:15] <seba_> but if I'm user ofter give password iI get Invalid password ;/
[22:15] <acicula> geraudk2000: did you manually install a driver? for an i3 with integrated graphics you dont have to do anything in terms of adding drivers
[22:15]  * \Jan\ hunts for a way to list pending security updates on a system.
[22:15] <meganerdca> acicula: a recent i3 is not supported
[22:15] <fallore> i just restarted my computer while ubuntu 10.10 was running a big automatic software update, now i get to the log in screen but can't move my mouse or do anything with my keyboard. when i tried to reboot into recovery mode (the option at the grub screen) it didn't get past something about firewire
[22:15] <acicula> meganerdca: a sandy bridge i3 perhaps
[22:15] <meganerdca> acicula: the sandy bridge generation
[22:15] <acicula> meganerdca: but he has a nehalem i3
[22:16] <geraudk2000> acicula: no, But I want install but I don't have skill for it
[22:16] <acicula> or whatever the mobile core variant is named
[22:16] <meganerdca> acicula: ah, I have a nehalem i7 and a sandy bridge i5, been a fun week :)
[22:16] <Combatjuan> seba_: I still don't understand you.  What command are you running?
[22:16] <ubuntu>  all adress on radio  world online list where i found it?
[22:16] <meganerdca> acicula: my connection has been flapping, missed that critical part :)
[22:16] <acicula> geraudk2000: you dont have to/cant
[22:16] <root_> @fallore boot live cd, chroot into ubuntu install and apt-get update etc.
[22:16] <Clovis> Hi.. Ubuntu 10.10.  What is the best software available so I can use my webcam to record a video(with sound)?  Thanks!
[22:16] <geraudk2000> acicula: so I need your help to install
[22:17] <acicula> meganerdca: afaik natty has support for the newer hd's for awhile now
[22:17] <seba_> Comabjuan Can you tell with mi on priv
[22:17] <geraudk2000> acicula: if you a have a link for it please send me
[22:17] <acicula> geraudk2000: what happens when you boot ubuntu now?
[22:17] <stefan__> Hello everyone
[22:18] <mithridates> I've added ppa for gnome3 but I can't get gnome-desktop3 package from it :
[22:18] <mithridates> E: Unable to locate package gnome-desktop3
[22:18] <stefan__> Does anyone know, why my Ubuntu 10.10 returns to the login screen in 80% of the time when i want to shut down?
[22:18] <mithridates> any idea about installing gnome3?
[22:18] <xangua> mithridates: it's only for !natty
[22:18] <meganerdca> acicula: I have been playing around with natty on my SB i5, it is still a work in progress, even with the beta
[22:18] <acicula> \Jan\: apt-get upgrade lists any pending upgrades, not sure if it has an option to sort these by bugfix or priority security updates
[22:18] <geraudk2000> acicula: it's work if I connect another Screen (fine but not Good resolution)
[22:18] <meganerdca> acicula: it should be supported by natty by release, as well as Fedora 15
[22:18] <mithridates> xangua: but I've seen in in launchpad there is a package for maverick
[22:19] <mithridates> is it stable enough to use natty?
[22:19] <hipu> acicula do you think if i just did a fresh install it would be better? because i did *just* install ubuntu 10.10
[22:19] <mithridates> how's natty? can someone give me a feedback?
[22:19] <ubuntu>  all adress on radio  world online list where i found it?
[22:19] <soreau> acicula: Does 'telnet port ip' check for tcp or udp?
[22:20] <Galvatron> mithridates It's beta, so might cause problems
[22:20] <acicula> hipu: if you cant fix it thats definitly the quickest way
[22:20] <Clovis> mithridates, this isnt the place for that.. try #offtopic plz
[22:20] <Konnie> Hey everyone, I need some help with my fresh ubuntu installation
[22:20] <acicula> soreau: tcp only
[22:20] <mithridates> so I wait, Clovis I'm talking about ubuntu and it's not offtopic!!!!
[22:20] <acicula> soreau: you cant really connect with udp since its not connection oriented
[22:20] <Clovis> mithridates, ummmm.
[22:20] <soreau> acicula: Now I'm trying to connect from external ip but it says connection refused even though sys>prefs>remote desktop shows I can connect from some external-looking ip, however, it isn't what 'whatismyip.com' say it should be
[22:20] <hipu> acicula haha okay...and should i try for the 11.04 beta? or would that be for someone who actually knows linux lol
[22:21] <Clovis> this chan is for helping others, not feedback.. there are ppl in offtopic who will discuss that.. respect the channel plz
[22:21] <Galvatron> mithridates: Best add Gnome 3 PPA and sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade. Then log out and choose an apprioriate session.
[22:21] <Konnie> I could really use some help, long story short - my lappy boots to a black screen after I installed 10.10
[22:21] <acicula> hipu: dont try betas if you have trouble fixing stable releases ;)
[22:21] <Konnie> and I have literally no idea what could be causing it
[22:21] <soreau> acicula: I can ping this ip it says I should be able to connect from, but when I try vncviewer on it, it says connection refused
[22:21] <hipu> acicula haha okay thanks for the help :)
[22:21] <asadeddin_> quick thing: anyone have an experience with setting up openerp?!
[22:22] <mithridates> Galvatron: thank you!!!
[22:22] <soreau> Oh no, now it's gone back to only local ip's
[22:22] <soreau> hmm
[22:22] <Galvatron> Konnie: What laptop is it?
[22:22] <acicula> soreau: eh that depends on how you are connecting
[22:22] <asadeddin_> hey soreau
[22:22] <asadeddin_> i had this problem
[22:22] <asadeddin_> a solution that's quick and easy
[22:22] <Konnie> Sony Vaio Z, it might be a display issue since it has specialised gpu drivers
[22:22] <asadeddin_> is just to install x11vnc
[22:22] <asadeddin_> then ssh into the other machine
[22:23] <asadeddin_> and then type x11vnc and connect to it
[22:23] <acicula> geraudk2000: when you boot your laptop without a monitor connected does it show you the login screen?
[22:23] <meganerdca> soreau: asadeddin_ or just use nmap to verify that the port is listening
[22:23] <soreau> meganerdca: How with nmap?
[22:24] <meganerdca> sudo nmap -sV <ip of target> -p <port to check>
[22:24] <asadeddin_> i spent hrs yesterday trying to set this up, and nothing showed what was wrong to be honest. I just ran x11vnc instead
[22:24] <asadeddin_> made my life a ton easier
[22:24] <geraudk2000> acicula: no, I just get a black Screen
[22:24] <asadeddin_> not that vncviewer is bad or anything
[22:24] <asadeddin_> it's just not simple to setup
[22:24] <soreau> meganerdca: Awesome, thanks
[22:25] <asadeddin_> x11vnc has no setup :)
[22:25] <acicula> geraudk2000: but when you connect a monitor it shows the login screen on that monitor?
[22:25] <soreau> So the port is open, I wonder what else I have to do
[22:25] <Konnie> Galvatron: The laptop is a Sony Vaio Z, it's probably not an installation issue as I've done it through two live CDs and once through the windows installation software
[22:26] <geraudk2000> acicula: yes, I have login screen on both monitors
[22:26] <meganerdca> soreau: does it identify the service?
[22:26] <acicula> geraudk2000: both monitors?
[22:26] <soreau> meganerdca: I don't know
[22:26] <mithridates> Galvatron: that didn't work, didn't install gnome3 packages, is the source for ppa from apt-get different with aptitude?
[22:27] <cg2916> how do i make the grub command line switch from the primary to the secondary hard drive?
[22:27] <geraudk2000> acicula: yes, both monitors
[22:27] <acicula> geraudk2000: by that you mean two separate monitors or a monitor and your laptop screen?
[22:28] <geraudk2000> acicula: I have login Screen on a two separate monitors
[22:28] <soreau> meganerdca: How to check if it's identifying the service?
[22:28] <\Jan\> security, does anyone speak it?
[22:29] <acicula> geraudk2000: you have a login screen showing on the laptop screen and on the external monitor?
[22:29] <nopz> http://pastebin.com/3JwEQnmh
[22:29] <geraudk2000> acicula: yes It's Wonderful I know but it's true !
[22:30] <meganerdca> soreau: the nmap output, with the -sV flag should try and identify the service and version and not rely on the port number indicating the service.  You could use this to detect an ssh service listening on port 80
[22:30] <Galvatron> Konnie: Try downloading this (to your home folder): http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-260.19.44-driver.html, log into terminal (Alt + F1), kill X-server (sudo service gdm stop) and sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.44
[22:30] <acicula> Konnie: dont do that
[22:30] <soreau> meganerdca: I don't understand what the 'service' would be here or the purpose of finding this information out
[22:30] <acicula> Galvatron: dont ever suggest that again, thats such a bad idea
[22:31] <Konnie> Dear god now I am so confused.
[22:31] <ubuntu4shane> I need some help troubleshooting my screen, I have an ATI card, and it goes white on me and I have to wiggle things around to get it back, I dual boot with windows, and never have this issue with windows, odd for me.
[22:31] <acicula> Galvatron: if you must use the drivers from nvidia directly at least use the provided --deb flags to properly install packages without hosing someones system permanetly
[22:31] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: wiggle things?
[22:31] <ubuntu4shane> Konnie: I don't think God is in this channel. :)
[22:31] <meganerdca> soreau: to see if some other software had that port open, or to indicate other kinds of failures.  Merely being "open" does not tell you a whole lot
[22:31] <geraudk2000> acicula: after boot on both screen I can separte the both monitors, then I works normaly in my laptop screen
[22:31] <soreau> meganerdca: Oh..
[22:32] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: well, I usually wiggle the laptop screen, but I'm not sure if that really fixes it.
[22:32] <acicula> geraudk2000: yeah i dont think there is anything wrong with your laptops drivers
[22:32] <soreau> meganerdca: Well I just want to connect with vncviewer to a remote (external) ip
[22:32] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: I thought it was a hardware issue (connection) before, but since it doesn't do it in windows, and frequently does this with ubuntu, I'm not sure now.
[22:32] <acicula> geraudk2000: nor do i understand what the problem is that you have/think you have
[22:32] <Konnie> acicula: So how do I use the provided -deb flags, and more importantly, what the hell are those but I can look that up.
[22:32] <Galvatron> acicula: I'm personally installing them as I mentioned and observed no problem
[22:33] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: When does it happen?
[22:33] <milamber> geraudk2000: this is standard behavior
[22:33] <acicula> Konnie: eh what is the problem you are trying to solve
[22:33] <geraudk2000> acicula: also I don't get a Good resolution on my screen
[22:33] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: plus it can happen when nothing is being touched, well, it just started doing it again.
[22:33] <ayecee> i'd like setup a test to verify disk is working by writing data out, then reading it back in and comparing. How do I avoid hitting the cache on this, and maybe getting misleading results?
[22:33] <soreau> meganerdca: For a second, vino-preferences showed some external ip to connect to, then I restarted it and it showed the local ip only again
[22:33] <acicula> Galvatron: the problem is not with the installing of the drivers, but with the fact that they ignore the ubuntu package manager and break subsequent upgrades or removal attempts
[22:33] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: it blinks and flashes very sporadically.
[22:33]  * kleinmeerkat slaps FloodBot1 around a bit with a large trout
[22:33]  * kleinmeerkat slaps FloodBot1 around a bit with a large trout
[22:33] <kleinmeerkat> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[22:33] <ikonia> kleinmeerkat: please don't do that
[22:33] <kleinmeerkat> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[22:33] <kleinmeerkat> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[22:33] <FloodBot1> kleinmeerkat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:33] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: I don't see why you would think it's a driver issue.. is there anything interesting in dmesg ?
[22:34] <\Jan\> /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check
[22:34] <geraudk2000> acicula: milamber the same problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1465764
[22:34] <Konnie> acicula: Laptop boots to black screen, multiple installations so that's not a problem, but funky GPU drivers a likely suspect
[22:34] <thevishy> in gnome session is it possible to use the KDE GUI's interface ?
[22:34] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: well, I don't think it is a driver issue, I don't really know what it is.
[22:34] <thevishy> maybe KDE's window manager
[22:34] <grepory> Are there any known issues with upgrading through update-manager to natty on 64-bit machines?
[22:34] <grepory> (that i couldn't find in bugzilla)
[22:34] <xangua> !natty | grepory
[22:34] <\Jan\> /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check is all you had to say robot!
[22:34] <acicula> Konnie: dual gpu laptop i presume?
[22:34] <grepory> aha. awesome
[22:35] <xangua> thevishy: aaah....start kde session¿¿
[22:35] <ikonia> grepory: natty isn't stable yet, so why don't you wait for it to be stable before asking if there are problems
[22:35] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: I would assume it's a hardware issue unless I saw something in logs or if it happened by running a certain command (not physical interaction, which indicates a short)
[22:35] <Konnie> acicula: it's a Sony Vaio Z, so yeah, fancy "Hybrid Graphics System" and all
[22:35] <grepory> ikonia: because i'd like to help with the beta, if i can. i'll join the recommended channel.
[22:35] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Probably a short in the flat cable that connects the screen to the mobo
[22:35] <ayecee> how might I read data from a disk and ensure it's coming from the physical disk and not the cache?
[22:35] <Guest77049> hey
[22:35] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: http://pastebin.com/PptfPvhD  that is the dmesg tail
[22:35] <ikonia> grepory: you'd like to help with the beta, but you're asking for known problems....
[22:35] <Guest77049> help me
[22:35] <thevishy> xangua no just the wm I guess
[22:35] <Guest77049> help me
[22:35] <FloodBot1> Guest77049: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:35] <grepory> ikonia: nevermind.
[22:35] <Guest77049> help me
[22:35] <ikonia> Guest77049: stop it
[22:35] <ikonia> Guest77049: ask a question
[22:36] <\Jan\> punt time
[22:36] <Guest77049> HELP me
[22:36] <acicula> Konnie: do you see anything at all when you turn on the laptop?
[22:36] <soreau> ! repeat | Guest77049
[22:36] <milamber> geraudk2000: touchpad/suspend not working? you have to be *specific* most of the replies on that thread are "works great"
[22:36] <soreau> ! help | Guest77049
[22:36] <Konnie> acicula: I installed Ubuntu within windows, so I see the dual boot screen, I chose Ubuntu, it counts down - then black screen\
[22:36] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: see, I would agree, but it is extremely odd that it doesn't happen in windows, granted I don't boot into windows often, but recently had to, and it never did that in the fews days I used it to update, fix and clean up windows to do the one thing I booted into it to do.
[22:37] <[snake]> I have a ton of samples(audio) that can't be read. They are in wav format.
[22:37] <Galvatron> Konnie: Shpuld have started with the info it's a virtual system
[22:37] <[snake]> What do I do?
[22:37] <thevishy> what is nautilus equivalent in KDE ?
[22:37] <acicula> Konnie: k, ill have a looksie on google
[22:37] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Well, you really should narrow down if it's hw issue or not because identifying the actually problem is an important first step
[22:37] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: and I have had nothing but problems with the ATI drivers in this laptop since I bought it, so that is where I may tend to lean for any problem
[22:38] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: agreed.
[22:38] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: What card is it?
[22:38] <muelli> thevishy: konquerer I think
[22:38] <Galvatron> thevishy	Dolphin
[22:38] <[snake]> Isn't there a program out there that tells you what type a file is regardless of the extension?
[22:38] <thevishy> thanks
[22:38] <muelli> ah yeah. Konqueror ist the web browser. Dolphin is the file manager.
[22:38] <geraudk2000> mindbeat: no when I boot on ubuntu I have a black screen
[22:38] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: ATI Radeon 3100 or HD3100 let me check
[22:38] <ikonia> [snake]: "file" is the command
[22:38] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: If you're using fglrx, remove it and try using the default open radeon driver
[22:38] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Also, keep an eye on the card temp..
[22:39] <[snake]> ikonia, hmm... convenient :)
[22:39] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: Yes, I do that like a hawk, it used to overheat almost every time it was turned on, 100% driver related
[22:39] <kdub> havent heard about fglrx in a longgg time
[22:39] <geraudk2000> mindbeat: acicula the screen is black but I hear the sound of booting
[22:40] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Try natty when it's released. There have been a ton of fixes in the radeon driver for the newer HD series radeons
[22:40] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: yep, I'm using fglrx, it has been a while since I tinkered around with this laptop, I installed well over 5 distros trying to find something that would work with the ati card, it was a nightmare.
[22:41] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: plan on doing that, Maverick was a big improvement over the the previous one, I was using a different distro that handled things really well, but had to come back to Ubuntu.
[22:41] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: fglrx is worse than the radeon driver, even if it's faster
[22:41] <[snake]> How do you read: "RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, stereo 44100 Hz" Files?
[22:41] <jMerliN> is it possible to have autofs use an rbind instead of a bind?
[22:42] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: that may be true, but it runs cooler, that is really the only thing that I have been concerned with for this laptop, given the overheating, I mean a 30 sec youtube video would overheat it before, sometimes, just booting it up would run it close, and opening more than one window was impossible
[22:42] <Scunizi> I occasionally use Tasque (remember the milk connector).  Looking into why it wasn't connecting today like it normally does I found /usr/lib/tasque/Tasque.exe ... why would a linux based program have a .exe??
[22:42] <Galvatron> ubuntu4shane: There's one X server for all the distros, so you should try a newer version of it, instead of changing distros.
[22:43] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: I hate to remove fglrx, because it overheats just installing it
[22:43] <acicula> Konnie: what vaio Z series do you have?
[22:43] <ubuntu4shane> Galvatron: I realize that to an extent, but changing/upgrading X isn't easy, Sabayon was the distro that handle things well, because it is bleeding edge.
[22:43] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Natty.
[22:43] <geraudk2000> acicula: same problme : http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?32379-Intel-core-i3-HD-graphics-black-screen
[22:43] <thevishy> there is metacity icons and gnome 'control' ...is it possible to change this gnome control to what KDE uses ?
[22:44] <milamber> [snake]: do you have restricted extras enabled?
[22:44] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: I may upgrade, I usually jump in at the RC level anyway.
[22:44] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: If you still have problems with natty radeon kernel driver, ask in #radeon. There is some pm (power management) implementation you can use
[22:44] <geraudk2000> milamber: same probleme please help me : http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?32379-Intel-core-i3-HD-graphics-black-screen
[22:44] <Konnie> acicula:  not exactly sure what "series" there are, but VPCZ1190X is the full model name
[22:44] <Chilaquiles> ubuntu doesn't detect my battery, any suggestions?
[22:44] <newbie35> hello
[22:44] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: ok, thanks
[22:44] <[snake]> milamber, nope :P I wonder why I forgot them. lol
[22:44] <Galvatron> ubuntu4shane: In Ubuntu ypu have the repo called xorg-edgers
[22:45] <ubbo> hi all! I just installed Ubuntu LTS (10.4.2): fine. There a way to install here GNOME3?
[22:45] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Yes, you can also upgrade the open driver stack with xorg-edgers (after removing fglrx)
[22:45] <newbie35> i have a problem about ad hoc connection.. can anyone help please?
[22:45] <Galvatron> Where you can find the latest stuff
[22:45] <ubbo> *there's a way
[22:45] <ubuntu4shane> Galvatron: I did have that before, but even that wasn't quite bleeding edge enough, and the one was unstable, with a lot of updates
[22:46] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: I been down that rode, I had a very highly modified system before, but honestly, don't like messing around with all that.
[22:46] <neverblue> hi, I am attempting to setup an FTP Server on my Ubuntu box (VM on my imac), i tried to setup both proftpd and Pure-FTPd, and I have the same issue with both : (auth works) "PORT command failed Error loading directory..." Could someone assist me with this please ?
[22:46] <BajK_> this 2.6.38 kernel rocks, I am currently compiling KDE from trunk and can easily do something else without lags :)
[22:46] <BajK_> in vbox!
[22:46] <Galvatron> ubuntu4shane: To have the most bleeding-edge stuff, you need Ubu 11.04
[22:47] <ubuntu4shane> Galvatron: yeah, I'm thinking right now that is my best bet.
[22:47] <bignono1> how can i get the who dependency?
[22:47] <newbie35> i have a problem about ad hoc connection.. can anyone help please?
[22:47] <Galvatron> BajK: I'm now running a modified 2.6.37 with the very same "miraculous patch" added by the maker.
[22:47] <soreau> So I'm trying to connect remote desktop viewer from external server ip but when I look in vino-preferences, it doesn't have the option of external ip. I have forwarded the correct ports AFAIK, but it just says connection refused when I try to connect with vncviewer
[22:48] <ubuntu4shane> Galvatron: soreau  lspci reports:  01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780MC [Radeon HD 3100 Graphics]
[22:48] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Yea, it's an HD series r6xx
[22:48] <soreau> or rs780 as it says
[22:49] <Logan_> !nickspam | HyacinthBouquet
[22:49] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: There has been a ton of work going on for the r600 driver, namely in the kernel and mesa
[22:49] <acicula> Konnie: from what i can gather it requires some effort to get it working
[22:49] <HyacinthBouquet> Logan_, i chose not to care about and i'll blog about it.
[22:49] <Chiggins> Hey does anyone know if you can connect to an SSTP VPN with Ubuntu ?
[22:50] <acicula> Konnie: http://www.adhocism.net/2010/11/installing-ubuntu-10-10-on-sony-vaio-vpc-z13m9eb/ seems to apply. Not sure if its supported better under the next ubuntu version either
[22:50] <Yaron-Heb> Hey guys! can anyone please help me with compiling ts file into qt with msgfmt?
[22:50] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: yeah, I know, however going on 2 years too late for me. :)  I learned a very important lesson, try before you buy!
[22:50] <Konnie> acicula: exciting, I think I can follow that. Is it the dual graphic cards that complicate things?
[22:51] <ubbo> hi all! I just installed Ubuntu LTS (10.4.2): fine. There's a way to install here GNOME3?
[22:51] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Or at least research before you buy.. still, the radeon driver will continue to improve as AMD has several devs hired to work full time on the linux open driver
[22:51] <Yaron-Heb> brb
[22:51] <acicula> Konnie: well that and the optimus stuff that tries to integrate the use of both gpus at the same time
[22:51] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: I think it's a good investment, though the drivers need to mature
[22:51] <acicula> Konnie: the quickest fix is to disable one of the gpus in the bios if thats possible
[22:52] <acicula> but obviously not the most desirable one
[22:52] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: I agree, just mad at myself for having jumped in before drivers did. :)
[22:52] <maroccain> how to enable mod_perl ?
[22:52] <gangil> I also have the same question as ubbo
[22:52] <gangil> I have 10.4 installed, how to upgrade to gnome 3?
[22:52] <soreau> So I'm trying to connect remote desktop viewer from external server ip but when I look in vino-preferences, it doesn't have the option of external ip. I have forwarded the correct ports AFAIK, but it just says connection refused when I try to connect with vncviewer
[22:52] <Chiggins> maroccain - a2enmod mod_perl
[22:53] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: ok, how do I remove the fglrx stuff, just sudo apt-get remove fglrx?  I'm going to upgrade this thing tonight.
[22:53] <Chiggins> gangil - i heard its easier to do with the 11.04 build
[22:53] <soreau> oh hmm
[22:53] <gangil> when is 11.04 coming, April is here
[22:53] <gangil> ?
[22:54] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: Use 'gksu jockey-gtk' (sys>admin>additional drivers) unless you installed from AMD site for some reason, in which case you'd need to run the uninstall script found in /usr/share/ati/
[22:54] <hiexpo> !11.04 | gangil
[22:55] <gangil> thanks hiexpo  :)
[22:55] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: I don't remember, but I don't think I installed off the amd site, they had serious issues with the drivers they were putting out, that didn't work so I avoided them like the plague.
[22:55] <geraudk2000> somebody can hep me I'am desperate my problem : http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?32379-Intel-core-i3-HD-graphics-black-screen
[22:56] <Konnie> acicula: No, that's not something I want to do.I take it from reading this that there is no way to get linux onto this with everything working properly. I'm not sure if there is any point in that case.
[22:56] <soreau> Ok, so now vino-preferences shows the external ip but when I go to connect with vncviewer, it says connection refused *sigh*
[22:56] <soreau> acicula: Still around?
[22:56] <acicula> soreau: yup
[22:56] <B4ckBOne-> If i compile this codehttp://pastie.org/pastes, and try to run it, bash tells me:
[22:56] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: that was a while ago though.
[22:56] <B4ckBOne-> damn :-)
[22:56] <ubuntu4shane> soreau: thanks for the info
[22:56] <soreau> acicula: I've almost got it but I can't connect using the external ip now
[22:57] <soreau> ubuntu4shane: np
[22:57] <acicula> Konnie: well im not saying it doesnt work, if you follow the steps that page i linked suggests it should work
[22:57] <B4ckBOne-> i compiled this code http://pastie.org/1769672  , but it does not run. Why?
[22:57] <Yaron-Heb> Can someone please help me with msgfmt? I want to compile a ts to a qm file please
[22:58] <soreau> acicula: vino-preferences shows the external ip and I have the port forwarded but when I try connecting using the external ip, it just says connection refused, regardless if I specify the port or not
[22:58] <acicula> soreau: maybe your  portforwards are incorrect
[22:58] <Chiggins> B4ckBOne- This isn't a C++ channel, but I dunno if std::string exists. But that might just be because I don't have a lot of experience
[22:59] <Pici> B4ckBOne-: ##C++ would be the best place to ask
[22:59] <soreau> acicula: Well I assume since vino-preferences shows that it should be able to connect from external ip, that it's saying ports are forwarded correctly
[22:59] <kdub> also soreau long time, no see
[22:59] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: I compiled and ran that code just fine.
[22:59] <Konnie> acicula: from the comments it seemed that brightness settings don't work as they should, and that I won't be able to switch the GPU at my lesiure... that being said, since I won't be doing any gaming or graphics editing on the Linux boot I guess I won't need the nVidia drivers
[23:00] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: strange, why cant i ?
[23:00] <soreau> kdub: Heya, saw you poking around in #wayland the other day but was too tired to say hi :)
[23:00] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: What error do you get?
[23:00] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: compilation is fine, i use g++ , then i chmod +x and  ./ it
[23:00] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: What is the error?
[23:00] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: error is: Cant run file
[23:01] <branchman> hello, how can I block packets containing certain hex sequence (ffffffff54536f7572636520456e67696e6520517565727900)? I tried "iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m string --algo bm --string 'TSource Engine Query' -j LOG" but there is nothing in log...
[23:01] <kdub> soreau: yeah, trying to get that going. want to help with a gtk port
[23:01] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: Can not execute file
[23:01] <soreau> kdub: Oh that is awesome. I can't wait to see wayland take off and native kits for it etc
[23:01] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: What command are you using to compile? Perhaps you are compiling but linking it to runtime.  Do something like "g++ -o runnable main.cpp"
[23:02] <kdub> soreau: a good native toolkit will do a lot to drive adoption i think
[23:02] <maco> branchman: you want normalisation of strings regardless encoding? that sounds like you want a real IDS
[23:02] <soreau> kdog: Indubitably ;)
[23:02] <soreau> err..
[23:02] <kdub> haha
[23:02] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: g++ -l/usr/include/ -Wall -c hello-world.c
[23:02] <soreau> kdub: Your dog is here too? xD
[23:03] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: Yeah, an object file isn't executable.
[23:03] <AndroUser> ubuntu kernel
[23:03] <soreau> kdub: I wanted to start looking into porting compiz to wayland but I am very strapped for time these days :P
[23:03] <branchman> maco: sry, I tried it also with --hex-string ffffffff54536f7572636520456e67696e6520517565727900
[23:04] <geraudk2000> please don't let me boot on windows, I'm desperate my problem http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?32379-Intel-core-i3-HD-graphics-black-screen
[23:05] <nikola> o hai
[23:05] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: The "-c" option to g++ explicitely tells it to compile only and not link.  If you either omit it (and use a.out) or you specify an output with -o, you'll get a linked executable.
[23:05] <Galvatron> soreau: I wonder, how many year might it take before we see a first distro with Wayland?
[23:06] <anygivenname> anyone can help with Asterisk ?
[23:06] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: In fact, if you either omit -c or use -o, you'll note that g++ will have automatically marked the file with the +x flag.
[23:06] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: ok, so using -o will fix it?
[23:06] <kdub> soreau: i'm just trying to get the example compositor running on the bare hardware before worrying about anything more. still havent succeeded...
[23:07] <soreau> Galvatron: canonical and mr. shuttleworth have already announced they will support it in the future
[23:07] <soreau> kdub: I haven't even had time to get the thing up and running :/
[23:07] <soreau> Looks promising though
[23:07] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: The main thing is to leave off the -c.  Or if you want, you can do:  "g++ -c hello-world.c; g++ -o hello hello-world.o"  The second command takes your object file and links it into an executable.
[23:07] <kdub> it compiles, i'm fighting with mesa though
[23:07] <anygivenname> anyone can help with Asterisk ?
[23:08] <soreau> kdub: I want to see my vt's on a cube face ;)
[23:08] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: For such a simple project (single file), there isn't much point to doing it in two steps though.
[23:08] <Chiggins> Hey does anyone know if you can connect to an SSTP VPN with Ubuntu ?
[23:08] <neverblue> anygivenname: more specifically ?
[23:08] <Pici> anygivenname: You can ask here, but you'll probably get better support if you ask in #asterisk
[23:08] <erbun> Qeustion - I am running 10.10 and while using airodump to look at prior associates given by my probe requests I only see the SSID that I am currently associated with, or an SSID that I was just recently associated with.  I do not see other prior associations, even though that my computer will still automatically connect to these networks.  My question is this - Does Ubuntu/linux not transmit the traditional prior associations and instea
[23:08] <erbun> d use a different method for connecting to known networks?  I ask because I know WIndows 7 also does something similar for security reason.  Thnx in advance
[23:08] <neverblue> anygivenname: as there is a channel for it, #asterisk
[23:08] <anygivenname> need to know how to configure it
[23:08] <B4ckBOne-> Combatjuan: thanks a lot, im just beginning ;-)
[23:08] <Combatjuan> B4ckBOne-: No problem.  Have fun!
[23:08] <Galvatron> I'm falling asleep
[23:08] <neverblue> anygivenname: going onto to IRC and asking that question is insane
[23:08] <Galvatron> Bye
[23:08] <Scunizi> how do you wake a sleeping usb drive from cli ?
[23:09] <neverblue> anygivenname: buy a book and read
[23:09] <neverblue> Scunizi: mount ?
[23:09] <asadeddin_> anyone with any experience setting up openerp?  thanks :)
[23:10] <neverblue> asadeddin_: don't ask, just ask your question
[23:10] <asadeddin_> well... basically i installed postgresql and it works, and i installed openerp-server, then the client, but the client tells me that it could not connect to server
[23:11] <neverblue> asadeddin_: is the service running ?
[23:11] <neverblue> is there an error ?
[23:11] <asadeddin_> which one postgre or openerp server?
[23:12] <neverblue> well, you are attempting to take a client and allow it to connect to a server
[23:12] <asadeddin_> yeah
[23:12] <neverblue> if that server depends on another server, you will need to isolate where the issue lies
[23:12] <neverblue> logic, find out where the error is, aka: what is the clients error ?
[23:12] <kdub> soreau: all those things that gave us such a big headache in compiz will be easy. freewins, dynamic backgrounds
[23:13] <mithrida1es> what's the package for gnome3 themes? I can't get them from repository I have gnome3 running on my machine now, but I don't have its default theme
[23:13] <neverblue> then you persue from there
[23:13] <asadeddin_> mmm... how do i check if openerp-server is running?
[23:13] <neverblue> asadeddin_: consult your manual
[23:13] <asadeddin_> just did ;)
[23:14] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: $ ps -Af | grep postgres | grep bin
[23:14] <asadeddin_> thanks Combatjuan
[23:14] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: (That's for postgres, you'll have to do similar for open-erpg or whatever it is.  I have no idea what it is)
[23:14] <asadeddin_> i got this: postgres  9496     1  0 Apr07 ?        00:00:01 /usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/bin/postgres -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.4/second -c config_file=/etc/postgresql/8.4/second/postgresql.conf
[23:15] <asadeddin_> seems correct?
[23:15] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: Ok good.  That means postgres is probably running just fine.
[23:15] <asadeddin_> and i just did it for openerp
[23:15] <asadeddin_> and it looks ok
[23:16] <asadeddin_> mmm... i could be config issues
[23:17] <asadeddin_> do u have any idea Combatjuan what it could be?
[23:17] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: A configuration error seems likely.  Perhaps something like postgres wasn't setup when openerp was installed so openerp couldn't create it's database and now it's mad.
[23:18] <asadeddin_> well it says it cant connect to the server
[23:18] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: Try and find the error logs for openerp.  Hopefully it has a more specific error.
[23:18] <mandar> Hi all
[23:18] <mandar> I am facing some problem using Ubuntu 10.10 desktop edition...
[23:18] <mandar> can anyone help me?
[23:19] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: Here's another thought.  I think the default postgres might not allow local connections.  You should make sure that you can access it locally.  "$ psql"  Then "=$ SELECT NOW();" and Ctrl-D to exit.
[23:19] <chid> is there an easy way to blank the screen?
[23:19] <chid> for a laptop
[23:19] <itaylor57> chid: clear
[23:19] <asadeddin_> let me try
[23:20] <mandar> is anybody here to help me?
[23:20] <Combatjuan> mandar: Please state your problems.
[23:20] <mandar> thanks.. here it goes
[23:20] <chid> itaylor57: blank the display not the terminal
[23:20] <asadeddin_> it says Fatal
[23:20] <mandar> I have installed Ubuntu 10.10 on my Toshiba Satellite A660
[23:20] <asadeddin_> password authentication failed
[23:21] <mandar> when I logged into ubuntu, it is not detecting wireless LAN card
[23:21] <aeon-ltd> mandar: did it work before? if not then you need a module/driver for your card
[23:21] <mandar> Which means, it is not showing any available connections and hence, not allowing me to connect to any wireless network
[23:21] <anivair_> can anyone give me a hand?  For some reason my system isn't recognizing that it has a gateway set.
[23:22] <anivair_> if I enter the route commend, there is nothing listed under the gateway field
[23:22] <anivair_> but it's in the network setup
[23:22] <mandar> no.. it did not work before.. in fact, I have installed Ubuntu first time on my laptop
[23:22] <mandar> I guess, I need drivers for wireless network card
[23:22] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: Did it ask you for a password?  Or did you specify one on the command line with "--password"?
[23:22] <asadeddin_> it asked
[23:23] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: For user 'postgres'?
[23:23] <asadeddin_> oh
[23:23] <asadeddin_> i typed in psql
[23:23] <mandar> Additionally, hotkey to power on the wireless network card is not working
[23:23] <tacomaster> i was wondering i have tried the locate command but where is ruby installed at if you install it with apt-get?
[23:23] <asadeddin_> should i go into user postgres?
[23:23] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: That's the default user.  Did you create another?
[23:23] <mandar> I suppose, if hotkey works then I can power on the wireless network card
[23:23] <asadeddin_> no
[23:23] <mandar> can anyone help me?
[23:24] <asadeddin_> i m on it right now
[23:24] <asadeddin_> then: =$ SELECT NOW();
[23:24] <asadeddin_> right?
[23:24] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: That's a simple command to test and make sure postgres is responding.  Enter that in the psql prompt.
[23:24] <neverblue> mander, asking a question, rather than randomly asking for help, is a lot more helpful
[23:24] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: (Just the "SELECT NOW();" part)
[23:24] <neverblue> take that into consideration
[23:25] <asadeddin_> k
[23:25] <asadeddin_> yeah it's running
[23:25] <asadeddin_> i got the psql version, then the help thing and then postgres=#
[23:25] <mandar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/684130?comments=all
[23:25] <demonspork> let's get ready to party people!!!
[23:26] <mandar> yes... it's a bug!
[23:26] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: Ok.  That's good.  The prompt should be "<username>=#".  What does it have for username?
[23:26] <rance> hey gang, I need some help expanding an existing centos setup script that I use for new servers to support debian/ubuntu.  In the script I need a way to reliably tell the difference between a ubuntu install and a debian one, so far all I have is the output of uname -v that has Ubuntu in the kernel version.  Don't know if I can rely on that though.  The existence of /etc/debian_version gets me that the distro is debian based.  But I sti
[23:26] <rance> ll need the difference between debian and ubuntu, any ideas?
[23:26] <asadeddin_> postgres
[23:27] <Pici> rance: See the "Ubuntu and Debian" section here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/what-is-debian.html
[23:27] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: I thought you said that 'password authentication failed'.  Did you fix that?
[23:27] <mandar> ubottu: any idea about that bug?
[23:27] <mandar> ohh... lol okay
[23:27] <rance> <-- reading now
[23:27] <asadeddin_> no.. i made a mistake
[23:28] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: You typed the password incorrectly you mean?
[23:28] <asadeddin_> i was on a different user. so i switched to postgres
[23:28] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: Ah.  Ok.
[23:28] <asadeddin_> so what now chief?
[23:28] <demonspork> Here is my setup: I have 4x 1.5TB hard drives and 3x 1TB hard drives. The plan is to use one of the 1.5TB drives as the OS drive and then configure the remaining 3 1.5TB drives in software RAID5 and the 3 1TB drives in software RAID5.  So 2 software RAID5 arrays and a single OS drive is the ultimate goal. Does anyone have any alternative suggestions or recommendations while going through this process?
[23:28] <Cam0> Hi all
[23:29] <demonspork> !hi Cam0
[23:29] <demonspork> !hi | Cam0
[23:29] <demonspork> !hello | Cam0
[23:29] <Pici> demonspork: there is no !hi factoid.
[23:29] <Combatjuan> asadeddin_: You got the private message?
[23:29] <asadeddin_> nope
[23:29] <demonspork> there used to be one that said hello to whoever you were sending it to
[23:29] <demonspork> it was nice
[23:30] <sjm> demonspork, It all depends on what you want to do with the box.
[23:30] <Pici> demonspork: You can say hi yourself, the factoid was just needless noise in the channel.
[23:31] <demonspork> sjm, fileserver that might be wired in to do media playback as well as serve files to 2 or 3 other media centers in the house.  nothing extremely demanding thus the reason I don't have a dedicated RAID controller or server grade hardware
[23:31] <rance> Pici:  That is actually good reading, but unfortunately explains my problem rather than solves it.  Part of my setup script is to install packages that arent available after a stock install.  Debian and Ubuntu vary on what a stock install is.  So I will need separate package lists for each supported distro in my work.  Hope this helps explain my need.  Now is there a way to tell them apart from a console running either one?
[23:31] <beharbunjaku> hi!
[23:31] <beharbunjaku> i need help installing gnome3 on ubuntu 10.10 , can anyone help me plz !!
[23:32] <sjm> demonspork, I'd probably use one of the 1TB drives as the OS and the rest in one big raid10 array
[23:32] <demonspork> beharbunjaku, please start with the issue you are having.
[23:32] <Pici> rance: lsb_release -i and/or /etc/issue should differ.
[23:33] <chrissbx> Hi. How would you do traffic accounting, i.e. sum up the amount of traffic that went over ppp0 or similar over the course of a month? I'm actually a Debian user, but missing a solution so far I'd start looking into porting.
[23:33] <beharbunjaku> demonspork: how ?
[23:33] <anivair_> nobody?  I'm pretty confused about why my system seems to be allergic to my gateway.
[23:33] <Diamondcite> chrissbx: Have you looked at ntop in the paste?
[23:33] <demonspork> sjm, RAID10 - not familiar with that.  Will it allow me to use all of the drive space (RAID5 for all of them would cut off .5TB on the 1.5 drives because N is the smallest drive)
[23:34] <chrissbx> Diamondcite: I need something that sums up traffic all the time, not only when I run it at the console.
[23:34] <Pici> chrissbx: vnstat perhaps? Heres an image output (it also provides a cli tool) for my server: http://files.nullcortex.com/images/vnstat/
[23:34] <Diamondcite> chrissbx: The name ntop is deceising, it's a pretty comprehensive logger
[23:35] <Diamondcite> chrissbx: *deceiving
[23:35] <rich_> is one familiar with "easy hosting control panel"? I seem to be having issues with domain specific aliases
[23:35] <chrissbx> Ok, I'll look into ntop and vnstat, thanks guys!
[23:36] <pp7> how do i rip a DTS encoded CD in ubuntu?
[23:36] <Pici> chrissbx: vnstat is doing exactly what you asked, and its a lot more lightweight than ntop.
[23:36] <Pici> s/is/is for/
[23:36] <chrissbx> good
[23:36] <sjm> demonspork, you'd set up three raid1 arrays (something like: md0=two 1.5TB drives, md1=two 1.5TB drives, md2=2 1TB drives) and then RAID0 over that (something like md3=raid0 of md0,md1,and md2) You'd have a total of 4TB, I think.
[23:36] <Diamondcite> Pici: vnstat sounds familiar.. does it read that information by polling the devices?
[23:37] <rance> Pici:  TY
[23:37] <sjm> demonspork, but it'd be one big array without the "risk" or "disadvantages" of RAID5 (google it, if you want).
[23:37] <Pici> Diamondcite: It reads information out of /proc or /sys and logs it somewhere periodically
[23:38] <meganerd> demonspork: you may wish to check out btrfs if this is not mission critial data
[23:39] <Diamondcite> Pici: vnstat was nice. but least in my home, it would periodically mis-read.. (goes over by hundreds of GB)
[23:39] <bc81> hi.  if i boot my (xubuntu) server with no monitor plugged in, it defaults to 1024x768 resolution.  how can i force it to some arbitrary resolution (i.e. 1366x768, or 1920x1080)?
[23:39] <oo> Hey all, i'm trying to read a cd but when i insert it it says Location is not mountable, what do i do?
[23:39] <Pici> Diamondcite: yikes!
[23:39] <meganerd> bc81: xrandr will do this
[23:40] <bc81> meganerd: ok, thanks.  so if i do that once it will remember, or will i need to add the command to a startup script?
[23:40] <BajK_> One question: Since when does Kubuntu use KDE 4 only? 8.10?
[23:40] <BajK_> so why the hell does qmake STILL symlink to qmake-QT3??
[23:40] <sjm> bc81, what do you need to do it for?
[23:41] <maco> BajK_: yes 8.10
[23:41] <IMAD> hello again ^^
[23:41] <meganerd> bc81: things like screen resolution are mostly handled dynamically, so likely something that you would have to script
[23:41] <IMAD> I have just download Eagle USB [ drivers for my modem ]
[23:41] <IMAD> so how I can install it ?
[23:41] <meganerd> bc81: assuming that the autodetected settings were suboptimal.
[23:42] <BajK_> that stupid thing cost me half an hour of trouble finding the reason for the scripts not finding qmake -.-"
[23:42] <pp7> how do i rip a DTS encoded CD in ubuntu?
[23:42] <sjm> bc81, what do you need to do it for?
[23:42] <bc81> meganerd: sounds good, i'll look into this.
[23:42] <maco> BajK_: if it makes you feel any better, it took me at least htat long to realise that .pyc's were the reason my changes seemed not to have any effect on the code i was working on last night
[23:42] <bc81> sjm: when i vnc into the machine, 1024x768 is too small
[23:43] <IMAD> some one can help ?
[23:43] <BajK_> maco: oh, i know that problem, so you edited the py files but the pycs were used^^
[23:43] <maco> BajK_: yup. didnt realise there even WERE pyc's
[23:43] <sjm> bc81, ok, that makes sense, but if you are coming from another linux machine, you can use ssh with X-Forwarding
[23:44] <BajK_> maco: I encountered py and pyc when scripting for Star Trek Bridge Commander :D luckily that GAME(!) had a python compiler shipped with it so it autocompiled every time you started *gg*
[23:44] <demonspork> sjm, I am looking for a solution that gives me maximum space + at least basic redundancy with the hardware I have.  I get 5TB with the setup that I proposed.  do you think any of the disadvantages of RAID5 will cause any bottlenecks in a media center computer?  it will be downloading stuff periodically and have DVD disks copied to it's drives but most of its use will be reading the data.
[23:44] <bc81> sjm: that sounds interesting.  i'll look for a tutorial on that, thanks
[23:44] <IMAD> I have just download Eagle USB [ drivers for my modem ]
[23:45] <IMAD> so how I can install it ?
[23:45] <IMAD> ?
[23:45] <Diamondcite> IMAD: Have you tried reading: http://atm.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=UeagleAtmDoc
[23:46] <BajK_> eh, how do I report a bug in launchpad? the lik there redirects me to the wiki which say s I shall run "ubuntu-bug" and this program is so dumb, when I chose "other problem" and "other problem" it says "yeah this behavior is expected since there is no tty allocated blablabla add the -t flag" and I say ? what? I want to report a bug mamn!
[23:46]  * sin8h hello
[23:46] <sjm> demonspork, If your priority is space, then your solution is probably the one (if it's not a problem to have the two different raid disks).  IIRC, the problems with RAID5 is data integrity especially with a failed member of the RAID.
[23:46] <sjm> demonspork, If the data is not "critical" and you are checking on the raid health regularly, it shouldn't be a problem.
[23:47] <yuskhanzab> hello all, is there any option to use webcam in pidgin(yahoo)?
[23:47] <demonspork> sjm, so what method should I use to build the RAID5?
[23:48] <demonspork> yuskhanzab, as far as I am aware pidgin doesn't support any video chat
[23:48] <hackel> yuskhanzab: No, webcam is only supported on XMPP (Google Talk).
[23:48] <demonspork> that is new
[23:48] <demonspork> :)
[23:48] <sjm> demonspork, you could end up with 5.5TB if you use 1TB for OS, 4x1.5TB RAID5, and 2x1TB RAID1
[23:48] <yuskhanzab> owh, thx for the info
[23:49] <hackel> yuskhanzab: You can use gyachi for Yahoo, there was a PPA, you can search for it.
[23:49] <demonspork> sjm, nice.  Now which filesystem would you recommend for running on the RAID disks?
[23:49] <meganerd> demonspork: you could use LVM to glue several different RAID arrays together.  It really depends on what you want to do
[23:50] <sjm> !RAID | demonspork
[23:50] <yuskhanzab> gyachi can use webcam for yahoo?
[23:50] <demonspork> meganerd, yeah, I know.   I plan to keep them separate because their size lines up with about their uses.  the 2x1TB in RAID1 would kind of throw that off a bit
[23:50] <TheFriendlyOnes> What is the channel for ubuntu packaging?
[23:51] <FroztIkon> if I want to use my laptop as a way for the xbox to connect to the net, how do I get around nat issues (wireless router has Unpnp enabled)
[23:51] <demonspork> FroztIkon, you generally don't. at least not that I have found
[23:51] <Pici> TheFriendlyOnes: Oddly enough: #ubuntu-packaging
[23:52] <TheFriendlyOnes> Pici: Lol, thank you so much for the help =)
[23:52] <sark666> i have to rewrite grub, but i've been behind on updating ubuntu.  I think the one on my drive was 9.04.  Is that pre-grub2?  I believe I read in a recent guide taht grub2 has a different method for rewriting
[23:52] <FroztIkon> well, its giving my xbox a very bad connection. In multiplayer games, I usually have just a bar
[23:52] <sark666> i just burned latest for a live cd to fix it
[23:53] <shcherbak> FroztIkon: You need to make bridge.
[23:53] <FroztIkon> shcherbak is that the wired connection or wireless that I make shared?
[23:53] <sark666> is there a way to tell if a drive has grub vs grub2?
[23:54] <shcherbak> FroztIkon: Up to you, how your xbox is connecting?
[23:54] <FroztIkon> scherbak: its wired
[23:54] <sjm> sark666, yes, I think if the /boot/grub/menu.lst file exists, it's prior to grub2
[23:54] <sark666> thanks
[23:55] <sark666> sjm do you know if the methods differ for rewriting grub vs grub2?
[23:55] <sjm> sark666, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[23:56] <sark666> sjm thanks again
[23:57] <sjm> sark666, you're welcome
[23:58] <FroztIkon> is there a way to set the eth0 (lan connection) to something other than <IP_ADDRESS>?
[23:58] <sur> hello, what software is used for shooting this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3rM4vT7Vgs