[04:02] <Bashing-om> Done for this session; later .
[06:56] <ducasse> morning all
[06:59] <OerHeks> Hi ducasse
[07:00] <ducasse> hi OerHeks - how are you today?
[07:02] <OerHeks> my dog just ran off with a piece of garlicbread
[07:02] <OerHeks> good, and how do you do?
[07:04] <ducasse> fine, thanks, just served the cat breakfast and boiled some tea. the first things that need to be done in the morning :)
[07:06] <OerHeks> my dog does not like tea
[07:08] <ducasse> seems he (she?) likes garlicbread, though.
[11:38] <ducasse> EriC^^: do you know much about legacy booting with gpt partition layout?
[11:38] <daftykins> he's the boot king :D
[11:38] <daftykins> morning \o well, afternoon but who's counting :)
[11:38] <EriC^^> yeah you need a bios-boot partition for it to work
[11:38] <ducasse> \o daftykins, how are things?
[11:39] <EriC^^> hey daftykins :D
[11:39] <ducasse> EriC^^: we had a guy yesterday, i told him to make one, and it still refused to boot.
[11:39] <ducasse> it's known to be problematic, the arch wiki says?
[11:39] <daftykins> mmm not much happening here to be honest, still in bed from the laptop and making plans with friends who are over on the island from England for the weekend, talk of a bbq :D
[11:39] <EriC^^> not really
[11:39] <EriC^^> did he make it in the first 2tb of the disk?
[11:40] <ducasse> EriC^^: 500gb disk, so yes.
[11:40] <daftykins> why did they make the disk GPT? thats like, a facepalm moment
[11:40] <EriC^^> hmm
[11:41] <ducasse> in the end i told him to switch to uefi mode and reinstall with an efi partition. worked.
[11:41] <ducasse> daftykins: the disk was gpt after a windows install, he just deleted the partition.
[11:42] <ducasse> but i was curious about why it refused to boot with the bios boot partition.
[11:42]  * daftykins runs off with OerHeks' garlic bread - ah Drabber, you are an excellent decoy
[11:42] <ducasse> now you have that for the bbq!
[11:43] <EriC^^> :D
[11:43] <daftykins> \o/
[11:44] <daftykins> i think our friends parents are feeding us for free o0
[11:44] <daftykins> yay at being over 30 and still going around school time friends places and being fed for free XD
[11:44] <daftykins> thats life on a small island for you!
[11:44] <ducasse> make sure they don't drug the food and sell you into slavery. ;)
[11:48] <daftykins> D:
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:49] <daftykins> hi sir
[11:49] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[11:49] <daftykins> how goes it over there?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi daftykins very well thanks, beautiful day here. How about there?
[11:50] <daftykins> mmm if i'm honest i haven't opened the blinds and looked out yet :D but i hope it's good, theres a bbq planned!
[11:51] <BluesKaj> BBQ rocks :-)
[11:55] <ducasse> daftykins: do you know a good technique for applying thermal paste, or do i just put a small dab in the middle?
[12:05] <EriC^^> maybe put all over it
[12:07] <BluesKaj> oops, mounted transistors etc with thermal paste ..still have a Heathkit AA29 amp built in 1972 in working condition
[12:07] <ducasse> what i'm finding online is very contradictory, i just assumed i shouldn't use too much.
[12:08] <EriC^^> really? i've never used one myself but i know about thermal stuff from uni (studied mech engineering) it makes sense that you need the least amount possible but over the whole surface area to remove any discrepencies in the materials
[12:08] <BluesKaj> well, you can always doogle, don't think the technique has changed much tho
[12:09] <EriC^^> over the whole surface area, but just enough not too much
[12:10] <BluesKaj> doogle=google :-)
[12:10] <ducasse> a couple of tips online said that a dab in the middle would be spread evenly over the service when the cooler is pressed down - i have no idea, that's why i asked :)
[12:11] <BluesKaj> not too thick if you spread it, also depends on what kind of surface
[12:12] <EriC^^> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjF5jabXRCY
[12:12] <EriC^^> when in doubt, youtube
[12:12] <ducasse> :)
[12:12] <ducasse> thanks, i'll view that.
[14:17] <daftykins> ducasse: sorry i'd fallen asleep D:
[14:18] <daftykins> yeah different people have different methods, i like to use my arctic silver 5 and a knife to spread a thin layer out over the heatspreader, then the leftover on the knife i wipe onto the heatsink contact surface... then i rub that in with a piece of toilet paper or cotton pad to fill up the microscopic gaps in the metal (which discolours it slightly)
[14:18] <daftykins> works well :>
[14:26] <ducasse> daftykins: ok, thanks - i'll try that. the thermal paste i have is noctua nt-h1, it was supposed to be a safe choice :)
[14:27] <ducasse> i'm mounting a noctua nh-u12s on an i7 4790k, it gets too hot under heavy load with the stock cooler.
[14:28] <daftykins> hmm that usually only happens with bad case cooling
[14:30] <daftykins> http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/vl/intel_app_method_vertical_line_v1.1.pdf
[14:30] <daftykins> hmm they changed how they do it, it seems!
[14:30] <daftykins> i've seen folks do it that way online
[14:31] <ducasse> the temp inside the case is good, and for everything except the cpu when under full load for an extended period of time.
[14:31] <daftykins> heh makes sense, my method was from back in the day before heatspreaders took off...
[14:31] <daftykins> what are you seeing for temps at max load?
[14:32] <daftykins> just curious, it always makes sense to have a fancier cooler :)
[14:32] <ducasse> up to 80°C
[14:32] <daftykins> oof
[14:32] <ducasse> at normal load it rarely exceeds 30.
[14:32] <daftykins> is that using the on-chip graphics or do you have a discrete card?
[14:33] <ducasse> on-die.
[14:33] <daftykins> mmm
[14:35] <ducasse> i asked in ##hardware, and they said it was pretty common to see that with the stock cooler.
[14:35] <daftykins> they're idiots in there though
[14:35] <daftykins> :D
[14:36] <daftykins> i didn't get banned though! i don't go there :D but i know someone who pastes their crazy on a regular basis
[14:36] <ducasse> yeah, i asked about thermal paste and got tthe answer "use this much ---> ."
[14:36] <daftykins> oh dear
[14:37] <ducasse> that's not very helpful.
[14:39] <ducasse> the other things they said about cooling seemed to make sense, as it mirrored what i was reading elsewhere. there were a lot of reports of heating with the 4790k and the stock cooler.
[14:40] <daftykins> ah maybe they bundled a bad one with that specific model
[14:40] <daftykins> my i7 6700 (non-K) is idling in the low to mid 20s, using a discrete graphics card
[14:40] <ducasse> possible. it works really well for everything except encoding video, for example :)
[14:40] <ducasse> mine too.
[14:41] <ducasse> (with on-die gpu)
[14:41] <daftykins> ooh i worked out how to enable HEVC hardware decode the other day, this huge Sony 4K sample file plays as smooth as now with only 5% CPU load
[14:42] <ducasse> nice, which gpu?
[14:42] <daftykins> nvidia 1070 :)
[14:42] <ducasse> those are actually kinda scary ;)
[14:42] <daftykins> Bit rate                       : 75.6 Mbps
[14:42] <daftykins> Maximum bit rate               : 123 Mbps
[14:42] <daftykins> 1.12GB for a 2 minute sample
[14:43] <daftykins> oh that's 10 bit HDR too
[14:43] <ducasse> is this linux or windows?
[14:43] <daftykins> windows with MPC-HC
[14:43] <daftykins> i'd have to have a screw loose to buy cutting edge hardware and then run Linux
[14:43] <ducasse> yes, i would think the linux libs lag a little there.
[14:44] <daftykins> i think ffmpeg added full decode support a couple of weeks ago
[14:44] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8iiftw23glst03v/AAAD3QXUYgpmkNdK2LYNVJqca?dl=0
[14:44] <daftykins> few snaps of when i got the 1070 there :)
[14:44] <ducasse> i bought "recent enough" hardware, didn't want to wait 6-12 months for support.
[14:44] <daftykins> with free Haribo!
[14:44] <ducasse> \o/
[14:45] <ducasse> dear $deity, that card is a *monster*.
[14:45] <daftykins> mmm i thought my 560Ti was chunky back 5 or so years ago
[14:45] <ducasse> the only discrete gpu i own is an amd hd5450 :)
[14:46] <daftykins> now they screw huge metal backplates to them to stop the PCBs warping
[14:46] <ducasse> because heat?
[14:46] <daftykins> nah weight
[14:46] <ducasse> ah. these chips are getting very impressive, though.
[14:46] <daftykins> not sure if you read much hardware news, but this thing is an efficiency king - sits here as i'm at the desktop with the fans off and sorta, 35 deg C temps
[14:47] <daftykins> fans only spin up once it warms up to 60 deg C :)
[14:48] <ducasse> hehe, there was a guy in #ubuntu maybe two weeks back who was *insisting* on buying an amd cpu, and asked for a good mobo that supported a cpu with 220w tdp :)
[14:49] <daftykins> mmm AMD have slipped big time :( it's really sad
[14:49] <daftykins> hopefully their new Zen CPUs at the end of the year will be nicer though, good to have competition of course
[14:50] <ducasse> those cpus are horrible. *utterly* horrible. i hope zen can keep up, yes.
[14:50] <ducasse> really liked amd at one point.
[14:52] <daftykins> i keep looking at the blown caps on this little motherboard (which it turns out still works) and wishing i could solder :D
[14:53] <ducasse> hehe - i suck at soldering :) what kind of board?
[14:53] <daftykins> https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5KPLAM/ super budget old thing
[14:54] <daftykins> ooh an ebay special snap - http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ASUS-P5KPL-AM-SE-LGA775-Socket-G31-Intel-Dual-Core-1333-MHz-Motherboard-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqR,!pwE-)Y0FdzcBP7(MghG)g~~60_57.JPG
[14:54] <ducasse> i've got one from the same gen, p5b-v i think. still works, but switched off.
[14:54] <daftykins> ah har
[14:55] <daftykins> my theory right now is that the caps blew and then killed one of the RAM modules (which i've sent for a free replacement)
[14:55] <daftykins> that means both of my 2 core 2 quad machines will have 8GB RAM now :)
[14:55] <ducasse> wehey! :)
[14:56] <daftykins> right now i still have another core 2 duo 2.8GHz spare though so i've been playing with it in these 3 boards i have left
[14:56] <ducasse> i've thought about spinning up my c2d again, but power usage...
[14:56] <daftykins> one works but has fried USB from a lightning strike, the one above with the bad caps and another that's totally dead
[14:56] <daftykins> mmm they are quite the tanks now
[14:58] <ducasse> mine works just fine, but i haven't looked for blown caps or anything lately. it's just in a cupboard in case i suddenly need a backup machine for something..
[14:59] <daftykins> *nod* best use probably! i thought this one wasn't POSTing because of the blown caps, but eventually i found this one RAM module was making every board it was in act out
[14:59] <daftykins> so it runs now, but i think it's unwise to use because it'll probably damage components i put in
[15:00] <daftykins> i really struggle to think of the use for a core 2 duo level machine, too...
[15:00] <ducasse> me too. i _thought_ about using it with pfsense as a firewall, and bought a mikrotik :)
[15:00] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/r1ouC
[15:01] <ducasse> :)
[15:02] <ducasse> the mikrotik stuff is really nice, though, thinking about getting an ap from them.
[15:04] <ducasse> hmmm... the guy i was helping said he was terminating his x session, and hasn't come back. i guess that didn't work, then :)
[15:04] <daftykins> ruh roh
[15:05] <daftykins> sounds like your calendar just opened up 8D
[15:06] <ducasse> he was doing an upgrade from trusty to xenial, obviously with quite a lot of ppas, and it did _not_ go well. surprise.
[15:10] <daftykins> fancy that :)
[15:10] <ducasse> i told him 5 hours ago it would be quicker to backup+reinstall, but he's still at it.
[15:13] <ducasse> nice troll - "fff | When I type MOUNT C C:\ it won't mount the drive"
[15:14] <daftykins> hah that sounds like DOSbox
[15:14] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldering-Helping-Desolder-Beginners-soldering/dp/B006EXZM28/ this seems tempting
[15:15] <ducasse> i actually looked at one like that in a local shop, but decided i was much too dangerous with a soldering iron.
[15:16] <ducasse> it's tempting to get one plus another rpi + a ton of interesting components, though.
[15:16] <daftykins> XD
[15:16] <daftykins> dangerous shops to go by :)
[15:19] <ducasse> absolutely. i'd like another rpi for experiments, there's just so much they can be used for.
[15:20] <daftykins> mmm, had fun setting my first one up as the music streamer, i put it on a spare card so i still have the NOOBS card to take a look at
[15:22] <ducasse> mine is hooked up to the tv, running openelec. decent enough media box, but i'd like something with hevc support.
[15:23] <daftykins> mmm i sit in #kodi and mostly suffer fools that can't even use their Pis
[15:23] <daftykins> i run an Amazon FireTV though for mine these days :) retired the intel atom + nvidia ion1 nettop
[15:24] <ducasse> hehe, i can *vividly* imagine that :) i was looking at the webox core...
[15:27] <ducasse> whenever i look at amazon.co.uk i get a lot of "this seller doesn't deliver to norway", but when i go through sweden they will deliver there.
[15:27] <ducasse> odd.
[15:27] <daftykins> ooh you suffer the same as me, mine often says "does not post to Channel Islands"
[15:27] <daftykins> which is a very rude move
[15:27] <ducasse> maybe we're on the "axis of evil".
[15:28] <daftykins> :D
[15:28] <daftykins> we're a funny land, we hold British passports but when we go to England for university we have to pay the same international tuition fees as someone from Asia might
[15:29] <daftykins> an ex girlfriend was even put in the same accomodation as folks from the far east
[15:29] <ducasse> britain is weird :) i've always loved it there, though.
[15:31] <ducasse> i wonder if it's the sellers or amazon, i've ordered plenty from uk companies over the years without any trouble.
[15:32] <daftykins> yeah i only get it from marketplace sellers, are your postal services perhaps more expensive to cross the border?
[15:33] <ducasse> our postal service is expensive, period :)
[15:37] <ducasse> when are you going to the bbq?
[15:39] <daftykins> i live in the capital these days, my friends parents place is on the central west coast, so i'd cross the island at its' skinny part :>
[15:39] <ducasse> which island are you on?
[15:40] <ducasse> (i only remembered it was one of them :)
[15:40] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/BmrXkcM6VGK2
[15:40] <daftykins> :D
[15:42] <ducasse> cool :)
[15:42] <ducasse> hmmm, seems this thunderstorm is getting closer...
[15:44] <daftykins> ruh roh!
[15:45] <ducasse> need to get a ups for the file server at some point.
[15:46] <daftykins> they're great, small investment but nice to have that peace of mind
[15:47] <daftykins> i bought a UK plug to UPS adapter a bit ago too, so now i run my router and switch from it as well
[15:47] <daftykins> quite funny to still be online from my phone or laptop when the island had a power cut the other day
[15:48] <ducasse> definitely, i have surge protectors on everything and a _very_ good electrical system, but i'd hate for that particular box to suddenly lose power.
[16:01] <daftykins> i'd like to submit myself for idiot of the day award
[16:02] <daftykins> assemble the hardware with the lightning fried USB motherboard and attempt to use a USB keyboard to enter the BIOS :D
[16:05]  * ducasse facepalms
[16:05] <ducasse> it's embarrasing when things like that happens...
[16:06] <daftykins> >:D
[16:06] <daftykins> wow it wants a BIOS update for a core 2 duo
[16:07] <daftykins> and that's no longer possible because USB!
[16:07] <ducasse> hmmm. can't you do it from cd/dvd?
[16:08] <daftykins> i'd probably have to find a utility that works, then cobble together some bootable media to do it
[16:08] <daftykins> lots of work really
[16:09] <ducasse> more than it's worth, probably.
[16:10] <daftykins> yeah
[16:11] <ducasse> it's fun to fiddle with older hardware, but rarely productive :)
[16:11] <daftykins> just threw in a spare SSD i put xubuntu on, boots straight in \o/
[16:12] <ducasse> yay!
[16:12] <ducasse> why do people paste in the channel when explicitly told to use a pastebin?
[16:12] <daftykins> well, this thing could still be useful for a secondary file server for someone i know... but not if i have to press F1 to get past this CPU prompt :D
[16:12] <daftykins> idiots :)
[16:13] <ducasse> if they don't know what a pastebin is, they can just ask :)
[16:14] <daftykins> those ones irritate me too, won't even ask about things they don't get
[16:15] <ducasse> when you're asking for help, you should be asking about things you don't understand, right?
[16:15] <daftykins> yip
[16:15] <daftykins> i mean i'd expect it from the youngsters...
[16:16] <ducasse> hope he figures out how to use a pastebin soon, i need to make dinner..
[16:17] <ducasse> oh god, he has now posted it on a pastebin and asks what i can see *without posting the url* :)
[16:18] <daftykins> yep you have to guess the paste ID
[16:18] <daftykins> what do you mean it'll take forever? :D
[16:19] <ducasse> ok, paste.ubuntu.com/0000001 - nope, that's not it, 0000002, nope...
[16:19] <daftykins> http://termbin.com/rmz4
[16:20] <daftykins> :D
[16:20] <ducasse> :)
[16:21] <daftykins> this is a good method, i'll install server from another PC then transplant the disk
[16:25] <ducasse> this guy has a bad apt situation, but i think i'll start meking dinner and hope someone else can help - /me need to feed :)
[17:15] <\9> it would appear that you can't install in efi mode without an efi partition...
[17:16] <Bashing-om> That is a fact ^, due to how the firmware looks for the boot code .
[17:18] <EriC^^> true


[23:35] <jasoncwarner_> morning everyone
[23:43]  * bryceh waves
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> jasoncwarner_; good night to you, fine sir
[23:57] <jasoncwarner_> MrChrisDruif: it's still the weekend for some ;)
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> Date and time in the Netherlands: Mon May 21 01:57:50
[23:59] <RAOF> Good morning!


[12:40] <coNP> Is bug #75659 a bug or a support request, what do you think?
[01:11] <ivoks> bug 75659
[01:11] <ivoks> ubotu: ?
[01:11] <ivoks> :)
[01:31] <enkrates794> Could 75659 be a feature request?
[01:34] <Burgwork> enkrates794: wishlist
[02:24] <Seveas> @reload Bugtrackr
[02:24] <Seveas> @reload Bugtracker
[02:24] <Seveas> hmm...
[03:14] <orion2012> does anyone have any suggestions for handling bug 46898?
[03:14] <orion2012> err #46898
[03:14] <orion2012> oh, ubugtu, come back!
[03:14] <orion2012> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/46898
[10:01] <palski> shouldn't it be hug day today?
[10:24] <dholbach> good morning
[10:34] <dholbach> IS IT THE HUG DAY?
[10:35] <seb128> dholbach: LOOKS LIKE IT YEP :)
[10:37] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[11:32] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter
[11:32] <Ubugtu> ubuntu
[11:33] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter ubuntu-bugs
[11:33] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter ubuntu-bugs
[11:33] <Seveas> (almost back to life
[11:37] <dholbach> hehe... thanks a lot! :)
[11:42] <Seveas> had to rework the bugreporting thing
[11:42] <Seveas> it's now using imap instead of using the maildir directly
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #72754 in bittornado (main) "Please merge from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72754
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74837 in pysvn (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74837
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76573 in ttf-dustin (universe) "please sync ttf-dustin 20030517-4 from debian sid" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76573
[11:46] <Seveas> \o/
[11:46] <mc44> yay!
[11:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76575 in moin (main) "Please sync from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76575
[11:53] <Seveas> it still has a bit of backlog
[11:53] <ajmitch> few hundred bugs?
[11:53] <Seveas> yeah
[11:53] <Seveas> about 200
[11:53] <mc44> flood the channel :)
[11:53] <Seveas> basically all bugs filed yesterday
[11:54] <Seveas> well, I should say 'in the past 30-ish hours'
[11:54] <Seveas> but it's a lot more robust now :)
[11:55] <Seveas> And I'm no longer abusing a friends domain for mailaddresses
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76485 in f-spot (main) "Please sync f-spot (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76485
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76578 in base-files (main) "custom /etc/motd doesn't get installed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76578
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76579 in abuse-sdl (universe) "instructions on first screen don't make sense" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76579
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76580 in python-xml (main) "Please sync from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76580
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76581 in xfce4-xkb-plugin (main) "SRU: xfce4-xkb-plugin in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76581
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76390 in emerald "Emerald Theme Manager just crashed, I am not sure about what I did." [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76390
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76563 in Ubuntu "[Feisty 7.04]  gnome-panel-screenshot don't save anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76563
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76582 in udev (main) "[feisty]  udev boot message on lowlatency kernels, udevd[3692] : lookup_group: specified group 'nvram' unknown." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76582
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76548 in Ubuntu "Beryl-Core crashes on start" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76548
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76455 in beryl-core "Beryl crashes on startup" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76455
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76583 in xfonts-baekmuk (universe) "Please sync xfonts-baekmuk (Universe) from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76583
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76584 in Ubuntu "Nforce 680i SLI network forcedeth problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76584
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76585 in telepathy-gabble (universe) "Please sync telepathy-gabble (Universe) from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76585
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76437 in glibc (main) "libc6 core-dumped" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76437
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76498 in configure-debian (universe) "[Merge]  configure-debian 1.0.2ubuntu1" [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76498
[01:08] <Ornedan> G'day. Does anyone know who I have to yell at to get bug 68380 fixed? It's merely a showstopped bug that's been unfixed for two months
[01:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68380 in eclipse "[SRU]  eclipse for edgy-updates" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68380
[01:08] <Ornedan> Make that 68053
[01:10] <seb128> bug #68053
[01:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68053 in azureus "Eclipse will not start (Edgy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68053
[01:10] <Ornedan> It's especially bad since there seems to be a fix, but the repository packages haven't been fixed
[01:11] <seb128> Ornedan: maybe ask on #ubuntu-motu, that's universe and non-supported officially, depends on MOTU
[01:12] <ajmitch> it looks like it's just waiting to be uploaded to edgy-proposed, if it hasn't already been
[01:13] <Ornedan> Ugh. Anally following good release practice now, but not when originally shoving out the broken packages at about the same time Edgy testing ended
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76587 in audacity (universe) "audacity crashes at record" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76587
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76588 in audacity (universe) "please clean sound system before run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76588
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76589 in libnotify (main) "Please sync from debian/unstable (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76589
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76590 in gaphor (universe) "Please sync gaphor (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76590
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76594 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed on gmail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76594
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76595 in gworkspace (universe) "Please sync gworkspace (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76595
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76593 in acpi-support (main) "asus brightness hotkeys" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76593
[02:04] <cypher1_> sfllaw: hi is the request for ubuntu-qa started
[02:05] <Laibsch> Hi, how can I add the information to Malone that UIM uses https://bugs.freedesktop.org/ as their bug tracker? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76529 in firefox (main) "Installing a extension (adblockPlus) and firefox close." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76529
[02:07] <Adri2000> Laibsch: maybe ask in #launchpad
[02:08] <Laibsch> thanks, Adri2000
[02:08] <dholbach> Laibsch: I don't hink that's needed - you can just click on "+ Upstream" link and supply the link for the upstream bug
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76596 in Ubuntu "Gnome desktop lost windows border and other features" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76596
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i kind of like that feature better but i dont like the new bug report helper
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76597 in xmms (main) "xmms crashes when reading id3 tag of certain mp3 files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76597
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76353 in xffm-icons (universe) "xffm-icons crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76353
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76549 in gnome-doc-utils (main) "gnome-doc-prepare can't create new docs" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76549
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76598 in Ubuntu "cdrom not detected in feisty daily 19-12-2006" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76598
[02:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76562 in gnome-doc-utils (main) "newly created documentation isn't valid" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76562
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76388 in metacity (main) "windows don't move across workspaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76388
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76599 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Feisty: zydas 1211 USB device soft lockup on CPU#0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76599
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76559 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox hangs after burning a CD from a playlist" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76559
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76419 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "gdb makes kernel oups" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76419
[03:32] <robepisc> hi all
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76490 in egnome (universe) "This package isnt installable" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76490
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76600 in rhythmbox (main) "Move music files on import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76600
[03:46] <sfllaw> cypher1_: Hi!
[03:46] <cypher1_> sfllaw: hi!
[03:48] <sfllaw> cypher1_: Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[03:49] <cypher1_> sfllaw: sorry no.. let me read it
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76602 in dcraw (universe) "Please sync dcraw (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76602
[04:01] <chantra> hi there, has anybody checked that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/+bug/74956
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74956 in python-defaults "[Feisty]  Can't import python module" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:02] <chantra> some python modules fails to import
[04:05] <sfllaw> chantra: Looking.
[04:07] <sfllaw> chantra: Please don't flip the status to Confirmed unless you're triaging it.
[04:09] <sfllaw> chantra: You can learn the proper steps to traiging by reading the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage page.
[04:11] <chantra> sfllaw: I actually meant to triage it as confirmed
[04:11] <chantra> should not have I?
[04:11] <sfllaw> Hmm, in which case, you should have unassigned doko.
[04:12] <chantra> okie I'm unassigning him then
[04:12] <sfllaw> chantra: Good good.
[04:12] <sfllaw> chantra: You wouldn't want to force him to do the work.
[04:13] <chantra> sfllaw: it seems that he assigned himself though
[04:13] <chantra> I didn't I just wanted to confirm the bug :)
[04:14] <sfllaw> Didn't he assign himself for triaging purposes?
[04:14] <sfllaw> It looks like it.
[04:15] <chantra> don't know, when I triaged the bug, it was still unconfirmed or maybe under need info
[04:15] <chantra> but I could confirm it
[04:16] <sfllaw> Sure.  Confirm and unassign.  You can see who did what in the Activity Log.
[04:16] <chantra> okie dokie, gonna check
[04:16] <sfllaw> bddebian: Barry!
[04:17] <bddebian> Hi sfllaw
[04:17] <chantra> sfllaw: did you put it back to need info?
[04:18] <sfllaw> chantra: I had.
[04:18] <chantra> cause, checking at the activity log, I've turned it back to confirmed
[04:18] <chantra> when I wanted to unassign it
[04:19] <sfllaw> All right.
[04:19] <chantra> so, should this bug be confirmed or not
[04:19] <sfllaw> It can be.
[04:19] <chantra> sfllaw: when I wanted to unassign it, my browser was still on the "confirm" window
[04:19] <sfllaw> I was just going to let doko confirm it.
[04:20] <sfllaw> But it seems that you've answered the real question.
[04:20] <chantra> sfllaw: doko didn't seem to be much active on this one since 8 december
[04:21] <sfllaw> chantra: Yes, I see that.
[04:21] <sfllaw> chantra: It's fine for you to Confirm and Unassign.
[04:21] <chantra> okie dokie, I'm quite new in bug triaging, so let me know when I do something wrong ;)
[04:22] <sfllaw> chantra: Cool.  Thanks!
[04:22] <coNP> I faced some difficulties triaging bug 75570
[04:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75570 in Ubuntu "Skype not in edgy-commercial" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75570
[04:23] <coNP> I tought it was not a real bug, but a support request, however I got corrected
[04:23] <dsas> oh, today is wednesday, didn't realise.
[04:23] <coNP> do you think I should confirm it now (since there is really no skype package in edgy-commercial), or set it to "needs info" (since I am still not sure that upgrading really breaks this package)
[04:25] <sfllaw> coNP: Hmm.  I have to think about this.
[04:25] <sfllaw> coNP: See, dapper-commercial and edgy-commercial aren't really run by the community.
[04:25] <sfllaw> coNP: They are run by Canonical Ltd. itself.
[04:25] <coNP> sfllaw: that's why i rejected the bug first
[04:27] <sfllaw> coNP: Let me check with some people.
[04:28] <coNP> sfllaw: thanks :)
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76499 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Spelling mistake in Brightness and Inhibit applets" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76499
[04:39] <bdmurray> Bug 76600 seems to be a feature request to me, but look at the canned responses I am not sure if the "feature request" canned response or the "changing defaults" response is more appropriate.
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76600 in rhythmbox "Move music files on import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76600
[04:40] <sfllaw> bdmurray: That's totally a feature request.
[04:40] <sfllaw> bdmurray: It doesn't have this behaviour, so there is no default to change.
[04:40] <sfllaw> bdmurray: The CD ripping isn't similar enough.
[04:42] <bdmurray> Okay. Is a spec the right way for the user to go or would they be more successful with the rhythmbox project itself?
[04:42] <sfllaw> Likely rhythmbox itself.
[04:42] <sfllaw> I think we might need a new canned response.
[04:42] <sfllaw> coNP: I talked with EtienneG about this bug.  And we've decided that it should be rejected since it isn't an Ubuntu problem.
[04:44] <coNP> sfllaw: then should I reject it again? and state that it is a package that does not belong among the supported ubuntu ones?
[04:44] <coNP> sfllaw: thanks, I noticed you did it
[04:45] <sfllaw> coNP: Yeah.  It's not that we don't support it.  It's that we CANNOT.
[04:45] <sfllaw> Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
[04:46] <bdmurray> sfllaw: If the response to a bug is "feature request" should it's status be "rejected"?
[04:46] <coNP> sfllaw: Sorry, maybe a stupid question. How do you mean "we CANNOT"?
[04:47] <sfllaw> coNP: There's no way we can upload to the -commercial repositories.
[04:47] <sfllaw> coNP: They're not Ubuntu.
[04:47] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Yes, Rejected is correct.
[04:48] <robepisc> hi all, I'm new here and have some questions
[04:48] <sfllaw> robepisc: Welcome!
[04:48] <robepisc> sfllaw: thanks :-)
[04:50] <robepisc> I just joined the bugsquad team in LP: my request is pending for apporval.
[04:52] <robepisc> First question: are there requisites I should have in order to join the bugsquad team?  If not (as I evince from reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad), why the an approval is required?
[04:52] <cypher1_> sfllaw: sorry was away.. i have done some triaging and merging until recently.. will i qualify for the ubuntu-qa ?
[04:53] <sfllaw> cypher1_: You have to answer the three points listed on that page.
[04:54] <sfllaw> robepisc: That is a good question.  It basically lets us expire old subscriptions automatically.
[04:57] <robepisc> sfllaw: Ok.  I've just seen the approvation mail in my inbox. Wow, I'm in the BugSquad :-)
[04:58] <coNP> robepisc: welcome aboard :)
[04:58] <robepisc> thanks you all :-)
[04:59] <sfllaw> cypher1_: Could you answer them here, or in a /query?
[04:59] <robepisc> Another thing it's not clear to me.  What can I do now that I couldn't before?
[04:59] <cypher1_> sfllaw: yes
[04:59] <bdmurray> sfllaw: I am unsure about how to proceed with bug 75509.  I have confirmed it in Edgy and want to mark it as confirmed but I am not sure which package it effects and to whom to assign it.
[04:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75509 in Ubuntu "All runlevels use X; singe user mode broken" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75509
[04:59] <sfllaw> robepisc: There are no material benefits to joining BugSquad.  You get extra permissions with joining ubuntu-qa.
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76466 in Ubuntu "Timezone offset not working (Ubuntu 6.06 ppc)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76466
[05:01] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Unngh.  It's two reports in one.
[05:02] <sfllaw> bdmurray: For the one you've seen, hitting Alt-Left doesn't switch VTs either?
[05:02] <sfllaw> Nor plain Alt-F1?
[05:03] <sfllaw> In which case, that is a bug in linux-source-2.6.17.
[05:03] <sfllaw> The kernel handles VT switching.
[05:03] <sfllaw> Although it could be that your video modules have hijacked it.
[05:03] <bdmurray> sfllaw: I haven't tried both of those but can shortly.
[05:09] <bdmurray> sfllaw: neither Alt-F1 nor Alt-Left Arrow allowed me to switch VTs.
[05:09] <sfllaw> Yeah, sounds like a kernel bug.
[05:09] <sfllaw> What video driver do you use?
[05:10] <bdmurray> probably radeon on that system, I need to reboot to confirm
[05:11] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Try without the radeon kernel module and using the vesa X driver.
[05:11] <sfllaw> That way, you'll be able to narrow it down.
[05:11] <sfllaw> But radeon is free, so it is a linux-source-2.6.17 bug.
[05:21] <cypher1> any one has a ati rage128 card ?
[05:26] <robepisc> I have a pair of bugs I've been working on for some time: #59618 and #62868.
[05:26] <dholbach> whooo, happy hug day! :-)
[05:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76386 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "OOPS, seemingly when loading ath_pci" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76386
[05:26] <robepisc> I now have 2 fixes for them, and would like a core developer had a look.
[05:26] <bddebian> Crap, today is hug day? :-(
[05:26] <sfllaw> bddebian: Yup.
[05:27] <sfllaw> robepisc: Neato!
[05:27] <bddebian> Eeks, I've been trying to keep up with merges and REVU.. Sheesh :)
[05:29] <sfllaw> The community is getting big!
[05:30] <robepisc> #62868 in particular doesn't have a priority.  It turned out to be a casper_actually_works_for_accident kind of bugs, so I think it should be high priority.
[05:30] <sfllaw> robepisc: You will want rodarvus to take a look at bug 59618.
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59618 in xorg ""Safe graphics mode" doesn't use VESA" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59618
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76605 in vlc (universe) "Crashes on dvd navigation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76605
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76606 in firefox (main) "Update Firefox to <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76606
[05:31] <coNP> dholbach, may I msg you?
[05:32] <sfllaw> robepisc: For bug 62868, it's probably best to find tfheen or cjwatson online.
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62868 in casper "swap partitions not automounted by the LiveCD" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62868
[05:32] <sfllaw> robepisc: I'm a little suspicious about using $PATH for initramfs scripts, and would rather they just specify absolute paths.
[05:32] <sfllaw> But that would be something to discuss with them.
[05:33] <dholbach> coNP: sure
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76608 in firefox (main) "Crash when opening a bookmark via del.ico.us" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76608
[05:36] <robepisc> sfllaw: ok. thanks for looking at those bugs! I'll ping rodarvus and tollef/colin
[05:36] <sfllaw> robepisc: Excellent!
[05:37] <sfllaw> I think rodarvus will take your patch.
[05:37] <sfllaw> It looks very sane.
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76609 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Reboot fails on a MSI MS-7005 (651M-L) mainboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76609
[05:40] <mc44> sfllaw: should I assign a bug for a request for the new security update of firefox to someone? I guess they will get to it anyway
[05:44] <sfllaw> mc44: They will.
[05:44] <sfllaw> Especially if the Security Team is subscribed.
[05:45] <mc44> sfllaw: ah I shall subscribe the security team then
[05:45] <keescook> mc44: just toggling the security flag will subscribe the security team.  :)
[05:45] <sfllaw> It's true!
[05:46] <mc44> keescook: magic! now fix it :p
[05:46] <keescook> mc44: heh.  must review, test, etc.  :)
[05:46] <keescook> it's on the list, no worries.
[05:47] <mc44> keescook: of course :)
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76610 in gnome-panel (main) "Bookmarks don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76610
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76611 in gimp (main) "Configuring input devices dialog hangs after user input" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76611
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76612 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "No Audio after latest 686 kernel upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76612
[06:06] <chris__> hey bug catchers - how long should a bug sit with status "Needs Info", without a reply, before rejecting it?
[06:09] <dholbach> chris__: I usually wait a month
[06:09] <dholbach> chris__: then reject it with an answer from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[06:09] <chris__> dholbach: ok, that sounds about right.
[06:10] <dholbach> Ok cool.
[06:10] <chris__> dholbach: thanks
[06:10] <dholbach> I have a query for desktop-bugs displaying "Needs Info" bugs sorted by "Oldest first" and I try to look through them regularly
[06:13] <dholbach> hey cassidy - happy hug day!
[06:14] <cassidy> thanks dholbach ! you too :)
[06:14] <xeruno> there's a lot of firefox crashes.... reported recently or its always the same?
[06:14] <cassidy> i start my bug day by reporting a crash in telepathy-gabble :)
[06:14] <dholbach> cassidy: ahh alrighty :-)
[06:14] <cassidy> zdra convince me to try gossip-tl
[06:15] <dholbach> nice :)
[06:15] <cassidy> and of course it crashs at startup :D
[06:15] <dholbach> strange, not for me
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76496 in koctave (universe) "koctave does not starts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76496
[06:15] <cassidy> not fun if all work of course :p
[06:16] <xeruno> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/76509  Setting it to NeedInfo + Standard  response
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76509 in firefox "crash at searching for java plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[06:20] <cassidy> dholbach: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9406
[06:20] <Ubugtu> Freedesktop bug 9406 in telepathy-gabble "Gabble crashs when trying to connect using gossip" [Major,New]
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76613 in apt (main) "apt-get remove shows the package being removed as being able to be autoremoved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76613
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76614 in ubiquity (main) "yaboot installer crashes while installing to iPod via Firewire " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76614
[06:21] <mc44> in feisty ifup reports "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device", is this something the kernel is in charge of?
[06:21] <dholbach> cassidy: thanks, you rock!
[06:22] <cassidy> thanks for dbgsym packages :)
[06:25] <mc44> or should I file it against ifupdown?
[06:30] <bddebian> Do we have a "policy" on adding .desktop files now?
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76509 in firefox (main) "crash at searching for java plugin" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76509
[06:36] <palski> sfllaw: ping
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76617 in ubiquity (main) "installer has no option to skip grub install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76617
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76618 in xterm (main) "Contents LD_LIBRARY_PATH cleared by xterm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76618
[06:51] <sfllaw> palski: Pong.
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76449 in rhythmbox "Cannot sort static playlists" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76449
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76621 in ubiquity (main) "installer does not properly recognize graphics card or monitor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76621
[07:08] <predius_> sfllaw: aren't we in the middle of the interviews?
[07:08] <sfllaw> predius_: Interviews?
[07:08] <sfllaw> predius_: For Ubuntu QA you mean?
[07:09] <predius_> Yeah.
[07:09] <sfllaw> predius_: Indeed we are.
[07:09] <predius_> sfllaw: and no one has shown up?
[07:09] <sfllaw> One person has.
[07:09] <sfllaw> And you're number two.
[07:10] <predius_> sfllaw: how can I get a list of the bugs I have triaged?
[07:10] <palski> sfllaw: and I was goingto to :)
[07:11] <sfllaw> predius_: You sort of have to keep track.  :)
[07:11] <sfllaw> predius_: You aren't triaging any bugs right now, are you?
[07:12] <sfllaw> palski: Hurray!
[07:12] <predius_> haven't in a couple of weeks.
[07:14] <sfllaw> predius_: I looked through Google and see you've done lots of support requests.
[07:14] <predius_> had some free time.
[07:16] <predius_> sfllaw: i also have a smallpackage in universe
[07:16] <sfllaw> predius_: Nice.  Well, maybe you could do some bug triaging today?
[07:19] <xeruno> sfllaw, Hi I came today for the interview too  ;)
[07:19] <sfllaw> palski, xeruno: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[07:20] <sfllaw> If so, you can just start sending me answers.
[07:21] <xeruno> sfllaw, I have.. :)
[07:22] <xeruno> but there are not question there :P
[07:22] <sfllaw> xeruno: Well, you have to demonstrate three things.
[07:24] <palski> sfllaw: do you mind if I query you?
[07:24] <sfllaw> palski: Nope.
[07:25] <xeruno> sfllaw, I am not sure if I fit... or if I have enough experience :S but I will try to do pass the test :)
[07:26] <sfllaw> xeruno: Great!
[07:27] <palski> oh, I'm not registered user on freenode so i is not possible :)
[07:27] <palski> sfllaw: answers: 1) sure 2) I've read those 3) 71967 68442 46050 73394 72246 72026
[07:27] <xeruno> how i get my list of bugs?
[07:28] <sfllaw> xeruno: Look on your people page and click the Bugs link in the left sidebar.
[07:28] <xeruno> ok I was reading my karma :P
[07:29] <xeruno> but I never assing bugs to me :S
[07:29] <xeruno> I just cc it :/
[07:30] <bdmurray> sfllaw: The wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks refers to a "reasonable stage" when closing a Needs Info bug.  Is there a time period that is commonly used for reasonable?
[07:31] <sfllaw> bdmurray: About a month or so.
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76623 in gnome-screensaver (main) "default screensaver cumbersome on old hardware" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76623
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76624 in webmin (universe) "why was webmin dropped?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76624
[07:31] <sfllaw> bdmurray: If you cannot get in contact with anyone and the bug can't be isolated/reproduced, then it goes away.
[07:32] <bdmurray> It goes away on it's own or needs to be manually closed?
[07:32] <sfllaw> It needs to be Rejected.
[07:32] <xeruno> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/76541  I thinks it's NeedsInfo...  how good is the firefox crash file report for the developers?
[07:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76541 in firefox "FireFox Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[07:33] <Laibsch> I already applied for QA membership but have not heard anything for about two weeks.  Can somebody take a look?  https://launchpad.net/people/r0lf
[07:33] <bdmurray> Okay.  Should the "needs info" section of the "managing status" part of the wiki page I mentioned be updated?  I'd change close to "close as rejected".
[07:34] <sfllaw> xeruno: It's Needs Info because it doesn't have enough information to reproduce the bug.
[07:34] <sfllaw> xeruno: /g 27
[07:34] <sfllaw> Whoops.
[07:34] <xeruno> ??
[07:34] <sfllaw> xeruno: See the section on complete bug reports in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[07:35] <xeruno> sfllaw, I should assign it to me or it's just optional?
[07:35] <sfllaw> xeruno: You should assign it to yourself.
[07:36] <xeruno> sfllaw, I was going to mark it as NeedInfo... I just wanted to know if the crash report is usefful for the developer... for the future...
[07:36] <sfllaw> palski: It looks like you know what you're doing.  Welcome to the team!
[07:36] <xeruno> sfllaw, I already read it :)
[07:36] <sfllaw> xeruno: Oh, then yes.  The crash info is useful.
[07:37] <sfllaw> xeruno: It was generated by apport, and can be turned into something with more debug info if you have the appropriate debug packages installed.
[07:38] <xeruno> sfllaw, as I never assigned bugs to me  I have no history but my karma... that's enough for my application?
[07:38] <Laibsch> dholbach: I already applied for QA membership but have not heard anything for about two weeks.  Can somebody take a look?  https://launchpad.net/people/r0lf
[07:38] <sfllaw> xeruno: It would be good to see how you've triaged bugs.
[07:39] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[07:39] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It contains the process for joining.
[07:39] <palski> sfllaw: thank you =)
[07:40] <dholbach> nice, we're 101 people! :-)
[07:40] <dholbach> that's a pretty nice hug day :)
[07:43] <bdmurray> sfllaw: Okay.  Should the "needs info" section of the "managing status" part of the wiki page I mentioned be updated?  I'd change close to "close as rejected".
[07:45] <xeruno> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/76334 I can confirm the behaviour in edgy...   Medium importance bug
[07:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76334 in gnome-panel "Some remote filesystems work from nautilus but not from gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[07:46] <xeruno> I haven't found duplicates...
[07:46] <xeruno> But I think is a nautilus bugs.. instead  a panel one
[07:46] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Yes, I think we can clarify that.
[07:47] <sfllaw> xeruno: I think it is a glib2.0 bug myself.
[07:47] <sfllaw> Can you search to make sure it's not a duplicate there?
[07:48] <xeruno> sfllaw,  gnome-vfs  bug maybe?
[07:48] <dholbach> what is a glib bug?
[07:48] <sfllaw> xeruno: Yeah, or a gnome-vfs2 bug.
[07:48] <sfllaw> dholbach: Bug 76334
[07:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76334 in gnome-panel "Some remote filesystems work from nautilus but not from gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76334
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69020 in uim "update-manager failed for configuring uim-common" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69020
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76541 in firefox (main) "FireFox Crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76541
[07:50] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Would you like to edit the wiki page?
[07:51] <xeruno> sfllaw, it's a duplicate (I almost don't get it) but it is assinged to libgnome instead...
[07:51] <xeruno> bug 66461
[07:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66461 in libgnome "edgy: places->network servers error" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66461
[07:51] <dholbach> first of all, I'd ask which version of Ubuntu that is, then I'd ask what exactly he put into those fields, then ask if gnomevfs-ls <URI> works
[07:51] <dholbach> I doubt it's a glib bug, rather panel (or maybe gnomevfs)
[07:52] <xeruno> I thinks he's in edgy because I can  reproduce in my system
[07:52] <dholbach> xeruno: oh?
[07:52] <xeruno> but It's a dupplicate...
[07:52] <xeruno> dholbach, it's a dupplicate :P
[07:52] <dholbach> of which bug?
[07:53] <xeruno> bug 66461
[07:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66461 in libgnome "edgy: places->network servers error" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66461
[07:53] <dholbach> oh ok
[07:53] <dholbach> good work on that one, xeruno
[07:54] <xeruno> dholbach,  :)
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76625 in gnome-utils (main) "baobab suddenly crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76625
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76626 in f-spot (main) "screensaver broken in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76626
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?, I promise to adhere to 1), I have read the texts in 2) and I have triaged quite a few bugs both in ubuntu and outside.  I do have QA status for openoffice for example and have triaged - although infrequently - for years there
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: I am quite active recently with openembedded and have even got read-write access despite being an admitted non-dev without a clue about C++ and the like.
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: Stuff I did in ubuntu is at http://tinyurl.com/y9nga9 although I believe that link lacks the ones that were fixed in the meantime.
[07:57] <Laibsch> dholbach: I can provide further URLs with bugs I triaged if you want to look at them.
[07:57] <dholbach> Laibsch: that sounds pretty cool - sfllaw: will you do the honours?
[07:58] <dholbach> Laibsch: sfllaw normally does the ubuntu-qa approvals
[07:59] <Laibsch> OK, you were listed as admin so I contacted you.
[07:59] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Yup, that's fine.
[07:59] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Looking.
[07:59] <dholbach> Laibsch: I'm the backup admin, lurking somewhere in the back of the room. ;-)
[08:00] <sfllaw> Laibsch: I think you can Confirm 40552 now that there's log info.
[08:00] <sfllaw> And since it's the most useful report there, you can probably mark the others duplicates.
[08:02] <sfllaw> Bug 68849 probably needs some attention from you again.
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68849 in update-manager "Error while updrading from Dapper to Edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68849
[08:02] <sfllaw> But things look pretty good.
[08:02] <Laibsch> sfllaw: I usually hesitate to confirm bugs I have not experienced myself.  But I guess I need to learn about the semantics of things at ubuntu BTS.  These are always slightly differing.  OE for example has a weird interpretation of the "Assigned" status.
[08:02] <sfllaw> "Assigned" means I'm responsible for it.
[08:03] <sfllaw> And "Confirmed" means that there's enough information for that bug.
[08:03] <Laibsch> In OE it means "I am working on it" ;-)
[08:03] <Laibsch> OE == openembedded
[08:03] <sfllaw> Ah.
[08:03] <sfllaw> But you are!
[08:03] <sfllaw> If you're having a conversation with the reporter.
[08:04] <sfllaw> You're not working on fixing it, but that's Assigned+In Progress.
[08:04] <sfllaw> Or Assigned+Confirmed.
[08:04] <Laibsch> no, no I was talking about how semantics of stati in project BTS differ and gave OE status for "assigned" as an example.
[08:04] <sfllaw> Right.
[08:04] <Laibsch> Was not talking about ubuntu in this case.
[08:05] <sfllaw> I thihkn bug 74558 is a support request.  It's OK to Reject that bug.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74558 in Ubuntu "websites don't accept my password" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74558
[08:05] <sfllaw> You can suggest he contact answers.launchpad.net or use the text in Bugs/Responses.
[08:05] <Laibsch> Just illustrating the need to learn about the meaning of the stati in ubuntu and the general importance of being careful to interpret the differences between different projects.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76506 in hwdb-client (main) "hwdb-gui crashes on close" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76506
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76627 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus crashes on file browser window reload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76627
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76628 in Ubuntu "Dapper needs an updated 'Service Pack' CD image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76628
[08:06] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Welcome to Ubuntu QA!
[08:08] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Thanks.
[08:12] <ash211> hey, I'd like to join QA too
[08:12] <ash211> 1) I promise to be polite but #59586
[08:12] <ash211> bug #59586
[08:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59586 in ubiquity "Unable to install Ubuntu" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59586
[08:12] <ash211> 2) I've read both pages
[08:13] <ash211> 3) and I've done a fair amount of triaging https://launchpad.net/people/ash211
[08:15] <sfllaw> ash211: Being diplomatic is good.  Bug 59586 is pretty close.
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59586 in ubiquity "Unable to install Ubuntu" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59586
[08:15] <sfllaw> Looking at +assignedbugs
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76568 in synaptic (main) "Can't select and copy information about a package" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76568
[08:15] <ash211> i got a good job email for that one
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76629 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice.org-core vos::OTimerManager::lookupTimer() SIGABRT crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76629
[08:16] <ash211> I tend to subscribe to bugs rather than assign myself to them
[08:17] <sfllaw> ash211: Yay!
[08:17] <sfllaw> ash211: Please assign bugs when you are putting things into Needs Info.
[08:17] <ash211> Will do
[08:17] <sfllaw> ash211: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage has tips on this.
[08:17] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[08:19] <sfllaw> ash211: Looks good.
[08:20] <sfllaw> Welcome!
[08:20] <ash211> thanks
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76630 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-screenshot crashes feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76630
[08:24] <DktrKranz> hi everyone
[08:24] <DktrKranz> could I ask some advices about Bug 53827?
[08:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53827 in git-core "Please ship libgit.a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53827
[08:25] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Hi.
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76417 in kdepim "Kontact toolbar messed up when using ActionList" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76417
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76512 in synaptic (main) "Edgy Synaptic filter section list is empty" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76512
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76632 in gnome-screensaver (main) "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[08:26] <DktrKranz> that bug asks for a shared library which is not packaged in Ubuntu nor Debian
[08:26] <DktrKranz> hi sfllaw
[08:26] <shrift> hey guys
[08:27] <shrift> I noticed that the package "gdb" the gnu debugger, is not tracked at all in malone. Is there somewhere else I should report a bug for this?
[08:27] <DktrKranz> after a quick read at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses, it seems it is the "new software not already in Debian" case
[08:28] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: I think that's slightly different, because it's already a source package.
[08:28] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: I think you can confirm a Wishlist bug to create git-dev.
[08:28] <sfllaw> You might want to change the Title to "Please ship libgit.a in a new git-dev package."
[08:29] <DktrKranz> ok
[08:29] <DktrKranz> could you please update Importance of such bug?
[08:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76633 in anjuta (universe) "Anjuta 1.2.4a hangs while configure and make a project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76633
[08:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76634 in gnome-screensaver (main) "Screen won't unlock" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76634
[08:32] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Gladly.
[08:32] <shrift> hey hey... that's my bug. : )
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76635 in gaim (main) "usr_bin_gaim.1000.crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76635
[08:36] <DktrKranz> sfllaw, bug modified following your advice
[08:40] <sfllaw>  DktrKranz Thanks.
[08:40] <shrift> so does anybody know what to do when gdb causes my system to freeze?
[08:41] <Laibsch> Looking at bug 73873.  I want to ask a question, set to needsinfo and assign myself.  Malone requires I set an importance.  I cannot answer this yet.  Is this the desired behaviour of Malone or is this a bug? ;-)
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73873 in uim "Japanese language input method (SCIM) in EDGY" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73873
[08:41] <shrift> can anyone help me get a backtrace on evolution, WITHOUT using gdb?
[08:43] <orion2012> any suggestions for handling #46898?
[08:43] <orion2012> bug 46898
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46898 in Ubuntu "Mouse freezes in Linux after using KVM to switch between PCs" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46898
[08:44] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It requires you to set importance?
[08:44] <sfllaw> shrift: gdb is the way to go.
[08:44] <shrift> sfllaw: yeah, but it causes my system to freeze
[08:44] <sfllaw> shrift: That seems odd that it freezes you system, though.
[08:45] <shrift> sfllaw: indeed.
[08:45] <shrift> sfllaw: unless it just suddenly takes all of my processor for something.... for a moment I can click around, but then it seems to freeze everything up.
[08:45] <sfllaw> orion2012: Get the user to run cat /dev/mice/input
[08:45] <sfllaw> They should see something go by whenever they wiggle the mouse.
[08:46] <sfllaw> If the KVM switches, does anything happen?
[08:46] <DktrKranz> shrift, you could try to login in a virtual console and grab any kernel oopses, if any
[08:46] <sfllaw> If they unplug the mouse and plug it back in, does it fix things?
[08:46] <shrift> dktrkranz, if I understand you right, you mean hitting ctrl+alt+f1 right?
[08:46] <DktrKranz> yes
[08:47] <shrift> dktrkranz: becaues I am not able to login there after I run gdb, like I say, complete system freeze
[08:48] <DktrKranz> i think you have to export DISPLAY in order to launch evolution
[08:50] <dholbach> sfllaw: do we have some documentation somewhere that says that the importance of a bug is more a tool for a developer to organize his workload?
[08:50] <dholbach> sfllaw: I think it's important enough to point out.
[08:51] <DktrKranz> dholbach, maybe in open week logs? i think i've read something about it
[08:51] <sfllaw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance is close.
[08:52] <sfllaw> I've clarified this a bit.
[08:52] <dholbach> ah, that's better
[08:52] <dholbach> thanks sfllaw
[08:52] <dholbach> i hope that clarifies it a bit
[08:54] <DktrKranz> what do you mean with "It would be improper to change the importance while this developer is still responsible"?
[08:54] <orion2012> how should bug 49957 be closed and should it be marked as affecting something more specific?
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49957 in Ubuntu "[dapper]  Lose mouse with psmouse module and keyboard slow using a kvm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49957
[08:55] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: It means changing the importance of a Confirmed Assigned bug will upset someone's task order.
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76636 in banshee (universe) "crashes on playing first song after starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76636
[08:55] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: And will probably make someone grumpy for at least five minutes.
[08:55] <DktrKranz> :D
[08:56] <Laibsch> sfllaw: yes, it did.
[08:56] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Now this really is not funny.  Malone forgot the text I had entered when it threw the error.
[08:56] <DktrKranz> so, if a developer is going to work on a given bug (he put himself as assignee), importance shouldn't be changed, right?
[08:56] <sfllaw> orion2012: That's Fix Released, as it went away with a new version.
[08:56] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: Right.  Or someone else assigns it to her.
[08:57] <sfllaw> Laibsch: :(
[08:57] <DktrKranz> ok, thanks ;)
[08:59] <orion2012> sfllaw: should it be marked as affecting linux-image even though it was never actually confirmed? basically, given the bugsquad's general disgust for bugs filed on Ubuntu, should steps be taken to assign packages without confirmation?
[08:59] <orion2012> not assign, mark as affecting
[09:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76637 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "gnome-panel-relatorio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76637
[09:02] <orion2012> err, "linux" rather than "linux-image"
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76639 in sudo (main) "sudo: timestamp too far in the future" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76639
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76638 in rt2x00 (universe) "Cannot build against 2.6.20 (INIT_WORK change)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76638
[09:07] <Laibsch> How do I see all bugs in uim (upstream)?
[09:07] <DktrKranz> Laibsch, https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/uim/+bugs
[09:09] <Laibsch> DktrKranz: no, that is the ones in ubuntu.  I want the upstream ones.  There must be an URL.  I have visited it earlier.
[09:09] <DktrKranz> do you mean upstream bugtracker?
[09:10] <Laibsch> No, I mean bugs marked with "uim (upstream)"
[09:11] <Laibsch> DktrKranz: look at bug 69020.  It affects both upstream and ubuntu.
[09:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69020 in uim "update-manager failed for configuring uim-common" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69020
[09:11] <sfllaw> orion2012: Well, if we don't know which package is responsible, there's no point in putting it in one.
[09:12] <Laibsch> I want not a list of bugs in ubuntu, but in upstream.
[09:12] <sfllaw> That's available in Advanced Search, I believe.
[09:12] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Or do you want something for uim (upstream) in particular?
[09:12] <DktrKranz> In advanced search there is a similar option, but it hides such bugs
[09:13] <sfllaw> Ah.
[09:13] <sfllaw> Damn.
[09:13] <sfllaw> That's no good.
[09:13] <DktrKranz> i agree
[09:14] <Laibsch> sfllaw: No, advanced search (which I don't find particularly advanced :-( ) does not have it.  I just stumbled across it by accident now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/trunk/
[09:14] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Excellent.
[09:14] <Laibsch> but it's empty.  So probably not what I was looking for, either.
[09:15] <Laibsch> Whatever.  I was looking for one particular bug that IIRC was marked for upstream but not for ubuntu itself.
[09:15] <Laibsch> Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim
[09:16] <Laibsch> bug 3120
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3120 in uim "UIM frequently crashes programs when switching input methods" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3120
[09:16] <sfllaw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/uim/+bugs
[09:16] <Laibsch> And my IIRC was incorrect anyways.
[09:16] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It seems to be fixed in Ubuntu according to this bug.
[09:18] <cypher1> ogra, hi
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76640 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "linux-image-2.6.20-2: unable to boot Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76640
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Atheros wifi0 device not being created by loaded ath_pci module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76641
[09:30] <Laibsch> wow, this "importance" field is required stuff is annoying and totally broken.  Now Malone even threw a bug even though the importance field had already been set.  Where do I report bugs on Malone?
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76642 in kdbus (universe) "kdbus crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76642
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76643 in tomboy (main) "searching makes notes wider" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76643
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76645 in meta-kde (main) "changes in kmenu disappear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76645
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76646 in gspca (universe) "new upstream release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76646
[10:02] <Laibsch> re bug 53244: where is the information for the menu stored?  I want to find out what package installed that menu entry the user was clicking on.
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53244 in uim "Wrong link or dependency" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53244
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76552 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crash when loading a page in a background tab" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76552
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76648 in Ubuntu "When goes to screensaver, don't accept the password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76648
[10:07] <zoydber3> Laibsch: I think menu entries are handled by .desktop files
[10:08] <bddebian> Laibsch: Should be /usr/share/applications/<app>.desktop
[10:09] <Laibsch> bddebian: Thanks.   Exactyl what I needed.
[10:10] <bddebian> NP
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76522 in update-manager (main) "libgl1-mesa-glx_6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3 appears broken" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76522
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76569 in rocks (universe) "rocks crashes when you launch them" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76569
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76649 in yelp (main) "yelp displays Sans font as ugly bitmapped times" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76649
[10:11] <bddebian> haha at 76569
[10:19] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76436 in firefox (main) "Help crashes on launch" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76436
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76652 in kino "Error writing to KINO/MJPEG audio filter - aborting" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76652
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76653 in fontconfig (main) "Times, Helvetica, and Courier show up as bitmap fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76653
[10:32] <Laibsch> Should 69020 be assigned to MOTU devs and if so what is their nick/address to assign to?  I believe it should be since a) it is a universe package and b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems to be inactive in launchpad.  uim packages are in general in very bad shape, missing essential files (regression from dapper) and breaking the dapper-> edgy upgrade severely (happened to me)
[10:32] <Laibsch> bug 69020
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69020 in uim "packaging bugs in uim prevent upgrade to edgy" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69020
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76429 in thunar (main) "All files not always visible in "open location" list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76429
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76655 in update-manager (main) "Feisty update-manager break's" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76655
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71909 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71909
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76425 in thunar (main) "Opening location by typing "/" does not give list of files in root folder" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76425
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76493 in democracyplayer (universe) "Democracy player won't start [feisty] " [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76493
[11:07] <cypher1> i am having lot of people reporting with not able to unlock with gnome-screensaver
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76657 in democracyplayer (universe) "Doesn't have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76657
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76658 in kvirc (universe) "Kvirc fails to register itself in gnome menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76658
[11:16] <jhaitas_> anyone else have breakage with evolution-data-server?
[11:16] <Laibsch> Is there "an accepted way" to confirm bugs for a specific version of ubuntu?  It seems Malone is really versionless which would be a shame.
[11:17] <ogra> cypher1, i'll look into it tomorrow morning, the logs attached to the bugs are not very informative and i cant reproduce it locally here ...
[11:18] <sfllaw> Laibsch: It's OK just to confirm bugs themselves.
[11:18] <sfllaw> You can put the version number effected in the Description.
[11:18] <sfllaw> Edit Description/Tags is the link that will let you do this.
[11:18] <jhaitas_> anyone else have breakage with evolution-data-server?
[11:18] <cypher1> ogra, ok no problem.. is there any issues you are now aware with pam_unix interaction and gnome-screensaver with the latest debian merges
[11:19] <cypher1> ogra, i saw one claiming with gnome-screensaver 2.16.1 the problem is not there
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76659 in Ubuntu "Ruby crash with libxml" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76659
[11:20] <ogra> it wasnt there with 2.17.3
[11:21] <ogra> it seems to be caused by a recent change
[11:22] <cypher1> ogra, can be a pam issue also right ?
[11:22] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Mmh, I don't think so.  Most of the bugs I read today were dependent on version.  This is a VERY important piece of information.  Sometimes you can infer from the reporting date (fixed in edgy, but reported this summer, no candidate for an SRU -> set to fix released)
[11:22] <ogra> cypher1, yes
[11:23] <ogra> but i wont be sure until i looked deeper or get more info ...
[11:23] <Laibsch> sfllaw: Description is really just a crook.  you should be able to search on this field.
[11:23] <ogra> i updated bug #76632
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[11:23] <ogra> and hope i get more info until tomorrow ...
[11:23] <ogra> night all
[11:23] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Well, this is true.
[11:24] <sfllaw> It's also something that we've got in the Launchpad pipeline.
[11:24] <Laibsch> Oh, got to know.
[11:24] <Laibsch> Are you a launchpad dev?
[11:24] <sfllaw> Laibsch: Nope.
[11:24] <sfllaw> Laibsch: I just bother them every few months.
[11:25] <Laibsch> sfllaw: bother them more often ,-)
[11:25] <sfllaw> Laibsch: As often as I can!
[11:25] <cypher1> ogra, thanks
[11:25] <ajmitch> sfllaw!
[11:25] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Andrew!
[11:25] <cypher1> ogra, there is a strace available in the dup of bug 76632
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76632 in gnome-screensaver "screen does not unlock after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76632
[11:25] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:26] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Not too bad, you?
[11:26] <ajmitch> alright
[11:26] <ajmitch> looking forward to a holiday
[11:26] <ajmitch> then I can do more ubuntu work for a couple of days :)
[11:27] <sfllaw> ajmitch: You can triage bug 76662 right now.
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76662 in imagezoom "Preferences dialog is empty in Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76662
[11:27] <sfllaw> :)
[11:27] <Laibsch> sfllaw: How do I prevent Malone from sending me mails on changes *I* make?
[11:28] <sfllaw> Uhm...  You can't.
[11:28] <sfllaw> You can filter them out using your mailer program, though.
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76539 in gedit (main) "Strange Gedit startup/no startup at all" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76539
[11:33] <yuriy> hi, should stuff like bug 39635 be rejected?
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39635 in kdebase "konqueror wont start on Xgl with compiz" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39635
[11:34] <yuriy> cause xgl isn't supported and we have aiglx now?
[11:34] <ryanakca> sfllaw: Hi, I had applied to ubuntu-qa sometime in July or August...
[11:34] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Hello!
[11:34] <ryanakca> sfllaw: did you want a link to my lp bug list?
[11:34] <sfllaw> ryanakca: That would be good.
[11:35] <ryanakca> sfllaw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/ryanakca/+assignedbugs
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76660 in Ubuntu "Installation Problem IOError: [Errno 30]  Read-only file system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76660
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76661 in ekiga (main) "[RFC]  ekiga does not enable dbus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76661
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76662 in imagezoom (universe) "Preferences dialog is empty in Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76662
[11:37] <joumetal> closed #76425 as fix released :)
[11:37] <joumetal> bug 76425
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76425 in thunar "Opening location by typing "/" does not give list of files in root folder" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76425
[11:39] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Looking.
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76663 in imagezoom (universe) "Removing mozilla-imagezoom corrupts Firefox's global configuration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76663
[11:41] <ryanakca> kk
[11:42] <ryanakca> lol
[11:42] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: support requests are helpfull, but then, so is triaging
[11:43] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: i dont ever see new support requests like i did at one time
[11:43] <ryanakca> no?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nope not in email
[11:44] <gnomefreak> just another way to help people :)
[11:46] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Did you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA?
[11:46] <ryanakca> yep
[11:47] <sfllaw> Hmm, do you agree to points 1 and 2?
[11:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76532 in kdebase (main) "ksysguard is not run as root" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76532
[11:47] <ryanakca> sfllaw: definitly in case 1, and in case 2, yes
[11:48] <ryanakca> 76532.... I thought I had triaged that already... and it's a new bug?
[11:48] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Maybe it's a dup.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> its not new its confirmed
[11:49] <gnomefreak> sometimes ubugtu does that
[11:49] <ryanakca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnuchess/+bug/76532/comments/1
[11:49] <sfllaw> That's funny.
[11:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76532 in kdebase "ksysguard is not run as root" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:49] <sfllaw> It must be backlogged.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> a change on bug sends another notice
[11:49] <ryanakca> ah, might want to change it to "Updated bug: #randomnumber in myapp (myrepo), etc"
[11:50] <gnomefreak> thats seveas job ;)
[11:51] <ryanakca> yep
[11:52] <gnomefreak> is there ever an end to learning python?
[11:52] <Seveas> it's just backlog
[11:52] <Seveas> he was down yesterday
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:52] <Seveas> I did s/courier+insane mail setup/postfix+dovecot+sane mail setup/ on the server
[11:53] <Seveas> postfix FTW
[11:54] <ryanakca> gnomefreak: well, I'm at chapter 6 or 7 of O'Reilly's Learning Python
[11:54] <gnomefreak> :) good going thats further than i was able to get (i got busy with other things)
[11:55] <Seveas> python is awesome
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76664 in firefox (main) "crash after choosing "Save destination as" on a link" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76664
[11:55] <Seveas> but the only way to learn it is by writing code
[11:55] <ryanakca> probably not the right channel to ask, but kubuntu member = ubuntu member?
[11:55] <ryanakca> Seveas: yeah
[11:55] <Seveas> ryanakca, correct
[11:57] <gnomefreak> i guess these are just merges im seeing weird though
[11:59] <sfllaw> ryanakca: Welcome!
[11:59] <ryanakca> ty
[11:59] <ryanakca> only took me six months :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> ok back to work so i can go to bed sometime tonight
[12:00] <ryanakca> lol
[12:03] <gokusandwich_> hi, can someone give me a hand?
[12:04] <gokusandwich_> i want to specify that this bug ( https://launchpad.net/bugs/50697 ) is fixed in Ubuntu, in general (in Edgy and up), but that it is still a problem in Dapper
[12:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50697 in poppler "Evince crashes upon attempting to select text, for certain PDF(s)" [Unknown,Fix released]