[14:38] <webchat51> How to enable and disable modules and sites when I build apache2 from source
[14:39] <webchat51> Is anybody there
[14:44] <ahasenack_> those utilities to enable modules and sites are a packaging thing I believe, not in upstream. You will have to check upstream's documentation
[14:45] <ahasenack_> but basically add to the config the same files that are included from the configuration directories that contain the snippets to enable modules and sites
[14:45] <ahasenack_> it all ends up in one big .conf file anyway
[14:48] <webchat51> Can you explain
[14:49] <webchat51> Is a yes or no
[15:06] <jelly> hi, I want to deploy 22.04 VMs on vsphere with custom disk layout, one disk for /boot (and /boot/efi if ubuntu prefers uefi boot), one disk for LVM PV unpartitioned and OS LVM LVs on that.  Is this possible with deployment methods available for jammy?
[15:07] <jelly> for older releases, we just used the debian-installer image and replaced its partman with a well-positioned shell script
[15:10] <webchat51> How do I enable and disable sites and modules when I build apache2 from source
[15:12] <mybalzitch> any particular reason to build from source?
[15:12] <mybalzitch> but a2enmod is still used to enable modules, and then a2ensite
[15:13] <webchat51> Is the comand there when I build it from source
[15:15] <webchat51> Because it's not available In my package manager
[15:15] <webchat51> The version is old
[15:15] <samy1028b> webchat51: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[15:16] <webchat51> 22.04
[15:16] <mybalzitch> a2enmod ships with the apache2 package
[15:16] <mybalzitch> otherwise just edit the apache2.conf file by hand and uncomment the mod you want to enable
[15:17] <webchat51> Is it also there when I build it from source
[15:17] <samy1028b> webchat51: You should be running Apache 2.4.51-1ubuntu4.1 or greater?  What is wrong with that version?
[15:17] <webchat51> I want 2.4.54
[15:17] <samy1028b> just wanted to make sure we understand properly.  There's no real need to build from source unless there are specific things you can't get in the package.
[15:18] <ogra> why do you build from source in the first place (and are you aware how hard it will be to keep this secure and properly patched when you have to do this manually every time)
[15:19] <webchat51> No I didn't know that
[15:19] <ogra> (not to mention that you have to monitor the security advisories premanently if you do nt want you have your server end up as part of some hackers botnet ...)
[15:19] <ogra> *permanently
[15:20] <samy1028b> webchat51: what specifically in 2.4.54 is it you think you need?
[15:20] <webchat51> Nothing
[15:20] <mybalzitch> almost sounds like they should run nginx if they're concerned about security
[15:21] <webchat51> Why
[15:21] <samy1028b> webchat51: then use the package provided by Ubuntu 22.04.
[15:21] <webchat51> Ok
[15:21] <samy1028b> webchat51: if you don't understand the basics of the question you are asking, then you *will* (not might) end up with a compromised server.
[15:21] <ogra> yeah, you will not have to care about security stuff and the like, just keep your system updated regulary and you get security fixes for free
[15:22] <ogra> (when using the deb)
[15:22] <webchat51> Alright
[15:22] <webchat51> Thanks
[15:22] <samy1028b> There are certain things we use in production that are from upstream source or built from source, but those are very specific things that are not ported into the Ubuntu versions yet.
[15:23] <webchat51> Ok
[15:23] <samy1028b> And we know what that entails and keep them updated during our regular maintenance cycles.
[15:24] <webchat51> Ok
[15:25] <samy1028b> btw, they were asking the same questions in #ubuntu before they joined here.
[15:27] <samy1028b> jelly: sorry, I don't know barely know enough LVM for regular use, much less a custom install script for it.  Perhaps someone else here will have some insight for you.
[15:37] <jelly> that's how things _used to be_.  Now I'm basically asking how to customize disk/partition/fs layout for jammy VMs/
[15:38] <jelly> and do it automatically, too
[15:40] <jelly> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/storage > Currently the installer cannot 𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑡 partition tables. You can use existing partitions or reformat a drive entirely but you cannot, for example, remove a large partition and replace it with two smaller ones.
[21:16] <dortal> hi


[17:48] <wxl> hey folks. is there a way to contact the admins of a group? in particular i'm looking at ~ubuntu-etherpad
[17:51] <mapreri> wxl: "Contact this team's admins" in the right upper box is not nice?
[17:52] <wxl> mapreri: not when it says "Contact this team's members."
[17:53] <mapreri> umh
[17:53] <mapreri> here really has admins, also for teams I'm not part of
[17:54] <wxl> it might be that being an admin on this team that's how it works
[17:54] <wxl> sigh
[17:54] <wxl> even if i could easily get a listing of admins and contact them all separately that would work
[17:54] <wxl> unfortunately /+contactuser is what's used for both actions
[17:59] <dobey> wxl: is it the same if you view logged out in "incognito" mode?
[18:00] <dobey> wxl: if not, you can get a list of the admins via the api, at least


[09:04] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:06] <rmg51> .Morning
[09:15] <JonathanD> Hey.
[09:29] <rmg51> Hey Hay
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys,hamsters and everything else
[17:21] <lazyPower> Belated morning (now mid-afternoon) gents o/
[19:08] <pvl1> mornings


[00:46] <peter____> hi
[00:47] <peter____> hello
[00:50] <ahoneybun> hello peter____
[00:50] <peter____> hey, whats up
[00:51] <ahoneybun> peter____: nothing much just editing wiki pages
[00:52] <peter____> nice, sounds like fun
[00:56] <ahoneybun> sure is
[01:00] <peter____> is it usually inactive in here?
[01:00] <ahoneybun> peter____: just dead times sometimes
[01:00] <ahoneybun> difference in timezones
[01:01] <peter____> i see
[03:23] <peter____> i'm getting off now, bye ahoneybun
[03:40] <rtz> that's what she said
[04:24] <Tails_> Alguém do Brasil??
[04:24] <Tails_> Alguém do Brasil??
[04:25] <Tails_> Alguém da Blue Brasil ??
[04:25] <Aethysius> He guys, I can't get Telepathy working.
[04:25] <Aethysius> No se, Tails_.
[04:34] <Tails_> ok, tanks
[05:11] <whitelantern> quiet...
[05:31] <Aethysius> I can't get Telepathy to work.
[05:31] <Aethysius> Well, my GMail, actually.
[05:35] <Aethysius> It won't log into Telepathy.
[05:36] <Aethysius> Keeps giving me a wrong password message, when I know for sure that it's the right one.
[07:09] <honvai> hi. Teach how to install the operating system on touchPad
[10:53] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:05] <blaaa> Hi, is there a way to get Dolphin/Amarik/kio-upnp-ms to work? I canoot get upnp workig with ode...
[11:12] <n8w> i was just thinkin, do u think there is a clock widget which shows epoch time?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> n8w, since when ?
[11:14] <n8w> BluesKaj, :)))
[11:15] <blaaa> Has someone have any experience with getting UPnP to work with Dolphin or Amarok?
[11:16] <n8w> BluesKaj, but if u were serious...since 1-1-1970
[11:16] <blaaa> I think it should be possible with cagibi and kio-upnp-ms, but it does not seem to work. I have found lots of reports about it not working as well
[11:17] <blaaa> as my programming ability is quite low, I want to know it I might better just give up on this
[11:18] <OerHeks> n8w can't find such widget, it is easy to show iepoch time n konsole: date +%s
[11:18] <BluesKaj> blaaa, what device ?
[11:19] <blaaa> BluesKaj: minidlna mainly, but i have tried a samsung phone and a windows laptop
[11:19] <n8w> OerHeks, ye sure...i know that, but i would like to have a widget showin a regular iso time and epoch as well:)
[11:20] <blaaa> BluesKaj: but my main focus is on minidla
[11:20] <blaaa> BluesKaj: changing servers is possible though, if necessary.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> blaaa, your question is very specialized , never heard of your request or issue before
[11:23] <blaaa> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hupnp/+bug/975327 is a recent example of an apparently similar isue
[11:24] <blaaa> BluesKaj: but this has been going for years I think, upnp-support in KDE is not very robust
[11:24] <blaaa> BluesKaj: I use VLC as a workaround
[11:28] <BluesKaj> blaaa, well ,I'm behind the curve on mobile devices plugged into pcs , and I agree that VLC is a solution/substitution for a lot of media players that have "issues".
[11:29] <blaaa> BluesKaj: In my case the PC/KDE is the mobile device which is supposed to plug into the central medi server (with UPnP). Maybe using DAAP would be another possibility, but my experience with DAAP servers is not good (forked-daapd disconnecting etc.)
[11:30] <blaaa> BluesKaj: distribution of media-files from a server to devices can save a lot of disk space and be very convenient
[11:32] <BluesKaj> blaaa, that's why i use an external HDD for all our media
[11:36] <blaaa> BluesKaj: Yes, both networked distribution and distibution on hardware have their pros and cons.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> blaaa, this pc is a basic media server/HTPC for our audio/video system , but I have no mobile devices that carry any media,. I just use my cellphone as a phone , that's all. I guess I'm a bit of a luddite in that respect.
[11:47] <blaaa> BluesKaj: Well, there is nothing wrong with using a cellphone as a phone, I have done so until a few months ago. But we now have a few devices (tv, amplifier ,phone (and hopefully KDE-running PCs)) that can connect via UPnP, using this capabiliy is not really necessary, but I like to try
[11:52] <BluesKaj> blaaa, I guess if your media /audio and video equipment is fairly new (less than a yr old) then those capabilities are built in , although I haven't heard of much audio equipment with those options.
[12:48] <Guest15766> pingo di qui
[13:12] <zigozago> ping
[13:15] <zigozago> ping ping
[13:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:56] <believethebible> !ops | Repent now! For the Kingdom of God is at hand!
[14:26] <zigozago> !list
[14:51] <nicolas_> salut
[14:51] <nicolas_> qui peut m'aider a installer skype sous kubuntu svp ? :$
[14:52] <lordievader> !france | nicolas_
[17:50] <JohnThePreacher> Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
[17:56] <BluesKaj> JohnThePreacher, is it ...when do the spaceships arrive ?
[17:59] <Daskreech> He had an early flight
[18:06] <BluesKaj> yeah , I missed him dmmit , Daskreech
[18:06] <BluesKaj> er dammit
[18:06] <Daskreech> I'll let him know he was missed :)
[18:07] <BluesKaj> right :)
[20:48] <Appllo13> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzzyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
[20:48] <Appllo13><PHONE_NUMBER>0987654321
[20:49] <Appllo13> =-
[20:49] <Appllo13> _+
[20:49] <Appllo13> intresting...
[20:51] <Appllo13> runing a sicmic.
[20:52] <Appllo13> bummer
[20:52] <Appllo13> plummer
[20:52] <Appllo13> |humm.
[20:53] <Appllo13> is this real time.
[20:53] <genii> Pretty much.
[20:53] <genii> !test
[20:54] <BluesKaj> Appllo13, do you have question , if so please ask in plain english without the enter key for effect
[20:58] <Appllo13> ok
[21:33] <yahyaa> is i am installing kubuntu on a system, what file system should i format it to, ntfs or ent2?
[21:33] <jussi01> ext3 or 4 I would suggest
[21:34] <yahyaa> does it matter which one
[21:34] <yahyaa> will either enhance performance
[21:34] <jussi01> not really, Ive been using 4 for a while, it is the newer one although there are a few reports of unstability, but I havent noticed them
[21:35] <yahyaa> ok thanks
[21:35] <yahyaa> later
[22:03] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit


[18:07] <mathiaz> smoser: hi!
[18:07] <mathiaz> smoser: when is the next release of an updated lucid AMI scheduled?
[18:07] <mathiaz> smoser: there is around 80MB of updates I need to install whenever I use the AMI published in october
[19:02] <erichammond> mathiaz: I believe smoser indicated hopes for the first week of the new year.


[01:34] <jamesh> kenvandine: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/lack-of-compiled-locales-breaks-gettext-based-localisation/3758 <- lets see what feedback we get
[01:34] <jamesh> kenvandine: I
[01:34] <jamesh> 'm starting to wonder if we should do a gnome/desktop base snap at some point
[01:35] <jamesh> it might be more convenient than the separate platform snap
[01:37] <kenvandine> jamesh, i've considered that
[01:39] <kenvandine> jamesh, what do you think it would take to get a classic snap to utilize a content interface?
[01:40] <kenvandine> i assume right now the limitation is classic snaps don't really use interfaces at all
[01:40] <jamesh> kenvandine: impossible
[01:40] <jamesh> the whole point of classic snaps is to run in the host system mount namespace unmolested
[01:40] <kenvandine> yeah, but i'd like to be able to save some space in my snap :)
[01:41] <jamesh> and content interface involve adding bind mounts to the private mount ns
[01:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[01:41] <kenvandine> which seems pointless for a classic snap
[01:41] <kenvandine> but it would be nice to be able to trim some of these things down
[01:41] <jamesh> kenvandine: well, you could always check whether /snap/gnome-3-26-1604/current exists
[01:41] <kenvandine> the gnome snaps are tiny now
[01:42] <kenvandine> oh good point
[01:42] <kenvandine> hacky :)
[01:42] <jamesh> no AppArmor profile to prevent you from poking in the other snap's data
[01:42] <kenvandine> my gnome-software classic snap is nearly 100M
[01:43] <kenvandine> jamesh, will we be able to use portals to allow a snap exec another snap?
[01:43] <kenvandine> like gnome-software's launch function
[01:43] <kenvandine> i'd like to eventually get this into a confined snap
[01:44] <kenvandine> but that's not realistic for 18.04
[01:46] <jamesh> kenvandine: I'm not sure.  Can you launch apps via regular xdg-open?
[01:46] <kenvandine> yes
[01:47] <kenvandine> but gnome-software uses the Exec line in the desktop file, i think
[01:48] <kenvandine> for installation we really just need interfaces to talk to packagekit and snapd
[01:48] <kenvandine> but the exec thing i think is a tougher problem to solve
[01:50] <kenvandine> jamesh, btw this morning i was nudging zyga and mvo on getting snapd branches landed sooner than later
[01:50] <kenvandine> basically reminding them that we have a feature freeze coming up in just about a month
[01:51] <jamesh> kenvandine: yeah.  And jdstrand revirewed my user-mounts branch.  He's going to be here later this week, so hopefully we can get that one resolved.
[01:51] <kenvandine> cool
[01:51] <kenvandine> jamesh, don't forget the GOA PR
[01:51] <jamesh> yep.
[01:51] <kenvandine> and if you could please take my EDS interface the rest of the way :)
[01:52] <kenvandine> all things we'd like in before feature freeze
[01:52] <kenvandine> we want to ship gnome-contacts and gnome-calendar by default
[01:52] <kenvandine> both need eds and goa
[01:53] <kenvandine> jamesh, and we're planning to ship gnome-software as a classic snap too
[01:54] <jamesh> kenvandine: cool.  That should reduce the pain of releasing for old versions
[01:55] <kenvandine> yeah
[01:55] <kenvandine> we'll still need to maintain SRUs for 16.04 for a while
[01:56] <kenvandine> but going forward we'll have one code base
[01:56] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, https://imgur.com/a/abkKu
[01:57] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, in 16.04 when browsing categories there was a grouping there that included "Featured"
[01:57] <kenvandine> that "Featured" grouping isn't available in 17.10 or bionic
[01:57] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, any idea why?
[01:57] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, basically we want it :-D
[01:57] <kenvandine> jamesh, how was day 1?
[01:59] <kenvandine> jamesh, tell sergio i said i still need to be able to build for bionic with snapcraft
[01:59]  * kenvandine has been nagging him daily
[02:00] <kenvandine> we need base-18 support (to be renamed core18)
[02:02] <jamesh> kenvandine: it's been good so far.  It sounds like the extended scriptlet support might actually happen, which should let us automate the desktop-laucnh startup improvements for the non-gnome-platform apps
[02:03] <jamesh> there's interest from elopio about gnome-builder, so I'll be working on some of that with him
[02:04] <jamesh> and I chatted with Kyle last night about maybe getting some better linting support for snapcraft
[02:12] <jamesh> kenvandine: for the classic-snap-with-gnome-platform-snap thing, you could even make $SNAP/gnome-platform a symlink to /snap/gnome-3-26-1604/current/, which would probably let desktop-launch work unmodified
[02:18] <kenvandine> jamesh, assuming it's installed
[02:18] <kenvandine> the problem is we need it to be installed automatically
[02:18] <kenvandine> but i love the idea :)
[02:19] <jamesh> kenvandine: well, that's the same problem as for a strict confined snap
[02:19] <kenvandine> yeah, but i heard that's coming
[02:19] <jamesh> you could probably add a content interface plug to a classic snap.  It wouldn't do anything, but might trigger that auto-install
[02:19] <kenvandine> that would be a win :)
[02:20] <jdstrand> jamesh (cc kenvandine): I think worst case we can simply do the mountinfo check I just put in the PR. that may even be preferable to adding a bunch of hairy code (zyga may have some other ideas since he has been quite creative with mounts lately)
[02:21] <jdstrand> there are all kinds of go helpers in snapd for looking at mountinfo too
[02:22] <jdstrand> so, this is close I think. I don't know how much time I'll have to look at it while I'm there, but we'll get through it certainly next week
[02:23] <kenvandine> jdstrand, strand!
[02:23] <kenvandine> whoops
[02:23] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thanks!
[02:23] <jdstrand> :)
[02:24]  * jdstrand wanders off
[02:24] <jdstrand> have a nice evening/rest of the day
[02:25] <kenvandine> good night
[04:01] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, this gnome-shell not notifying me is getting really annoying...
[05:57] <doko> sound-icons needs a MIR (or recommends lowered in speech-dispatcher)
[07:54] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:07] <Nafallo> morning
[08:11] <oSoMoN> hey Nafallo
[08:18] <didrocks> good morning
[08:23] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:28] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN!
[08:41] <willcooke> morning all
[08:41] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:43] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[08:46] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:47]  * didrocks was wondering why I couldn't restart GNOME Shell for testing, I was on Wayland, but the error is cryptic with --replace from cli :p
[08:47] <seb128> hey willcooke didrocks oSoMoN
[08:47] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:47] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:49] <jibel> today's iso does boot. any obvious changes happened recently before I start searching what broke?
[08:49] <jibel> does not*
[08:49] <jibel> ah, here it goes, it is just terribly slow
[08:50] <seb128> willcooke, want to reply to https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mp3-patents-expired-include-full-mp3-support-out-of-the-box-like-fedora-does/3694 ?
[08:52] <willcooke> seb128, thanks, and done
[08:58] <seb128> willcooke, thx
[08:59] <willcooke> seb128, would you send the meeting reminder or shall I?
[09:00] <seb128> willcooke, I can do it, thanks for reminding me :)
[09:00] <willcooke> np
[09:00] <didrocks> back from the days, a reminder for reminding the reminder… :)
[09:01] <Nafallo> just get google homes ;-)
[09:01] <Nafallo> they'll light up when they have something to remind you of :-P
[09:02] <Laney> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy
[09:03] <seb128> didrocks, indeed!
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? you seem energetic this morning :)
[09:04] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:05] <Nafallo> Laney: morning. had your coffees yet? ;-)
[09:08] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks Nafallo!
[09:08] <Laney> just tea :-)
[09:34] <willcooke> heading to the train station, bbiab
[10:18] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[10:23] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[10:59] <willcooke> Does anyone have a Fedora dual-boot on their computer?  I want to recreate something for bug #1706421 and I can't in a VM and I dont want to dual boot this laptop right now.
[10:59] <willcooke> erm
[10:59] <willcooke> or
[10:59] <willcooke> oh, I guess I would have to build my own Settings app minus my patch
[10:59] <willcooke> Maybe I'll try that
[11:00] <willcooke> Right, getting in to London now, so going underground. bbiab - will check logs for replies to ^
[11:25] <Laney> If you want to just change the font then you can do that using the inspector ("Visual" tab) or just the settings in Tweaks
[11:28] <Laney> would have to remove the patch though I think - not sure how to override font-desc in the inspector
[11:37] <willcooke> In London
[11:50] <willcooke> didrocks, qq re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1706421
[11:51] <willcooke> I'm trying to build a version which doesnt have that debdiff applied.  I branched from https://code.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center
[11:51] <willcooke> but I dont see it in there
[11:51] <willcooke> Am I doing something wrong, or did it get lost?
[11:51] <willcooke> oh
[11:51] <willcooke> maybe I should have got the packaging branch
[11:52] <didrocks> sil2100 sponsored, it, let me see if he committed to the vcs
[11:53] <didrocks> willcooke: it's in
[11:53] <didrocks> debian/patches/monospace-wifihotspot-password.patch is in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu
[11:53] <willcooke> didrocks, cool, so I think I'm probably looking at the wrong branch here then
[11:53] <didrocks> and referenced in debian/patches/series
[11:53] <willcooke> If I go to here:
[11:53] <didrocks> yeah, the other one is supposed to be a mirror of the upstream one
[11:54] <willcooke> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center
[11:54] <willcooke> Should I be able to bzr branch the code?
[11:54] <willcooke> I still find LP confusing
[11:55] <didrocks> willcooke: those were the automatically imported bzr branch from packages. In theory, you could, but that was ages ago and udd isn't a support project anymore
[11:55] <didrocks> so you have old branches showing up now, sorry :/
[11:55] <didrocks> willcooke: all our bzr branches are normally at: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop
[11:55] <willcooke> no, I think I branched the "upstream" project, but I should have done the Ubuntu one right?  But I dont see the usual bzr line which I can copy and paste
[11:56] <willcooke> didrocks, ah, that link looks good
[11:56] <Laney> it's usually ~ubuntu-desktop/pkg/ubuntu
[11:56] <didrocks> willcooke: not discoverable for one time contributors though :/ I hope we can work on this when going to git
[11:56] <Laney> or shown in apt-cache showsrc pkg | grep Vcs-
[11:57] <didrocks> Vcs-Bzr: http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu
[11:57] <willcooke> oki, so now I have the debian dir, cool.
[11:57] <didrocks> for instance
[11:57] <willcooke> do I now need to branch the upstream, copy the debian dir in there and then do a buildpkg?
[11:58] <didrocks> no
[11:58] <didrocks> just run bzr bd
[11:58] <didrocks> it will download the source tarball for you
[11:58] <didrocks> and do a build
[11:58] <willcooke> ha, neat
[11:58] <didrocks> you need to have bzr-builddeb installed
[11:58] <willcooke> (I should really be writing this down)
[12:00] <willcooke> ctrl-w the wrong window
[12:00] <willcooke> So if I want to build minus that one patch of mine, do I just delete it from the debian dir, or is there some extra changes needed?
[12:01] <didrocks> the easiest is to comment the patch line in debian/patches/series
[12:01] <didrocks> it won't be applied during your build then
[12:01] <willcooke> got it
[12:04] <willcooke> woot, looks like things are building.  thanks didrocks, laney
[12:04] <didrocks> yw!
[12:04] <willcooke> (all of this to prove a point ;) )
[12:05] <willcooke> which might end up not even being a problem
[12:06] <didrocks> heh
[12:08] <willcooke> bah, next silly question.. I have a package now, can I just dpkg install it and then uninstall it again when I'm done?  Should I have changed the version number or sometihng?
[12:12] <didrocks> just install the package(s) you need, then, to revert to the one in, let's say, xenial: apt install <package_name1>/xenial <package_name2>/xenial…
[12:15] <willcooke> didrocks, thanks
[12:20] <willcooke> logging in to a gnome session, brb
[12:29] <willcooke> didrocks, sorted.  In the end I built it with --dont-purge and then ran the binary directly from the build directory, so no installing needed.
[12:30] <didrocks> willcooke: that's another way of doing it. It works as long as you don't add new panels ;)
[12:30] <didrocks> (for g-c-c)
[13:38] <jbicha> seb128: are you aware that wvdial is still in the ubuntu.bionic ship-live seed?
[13:38] <jbicha> good morning
[14:01] <seb128> jbicha, hey, I don't know, slangasek emailed us asking about the supported seed and we said it was not needed there, he asked us if we could clean it out which we did ... if you care about the ship seed and think that should be reviewed maybe talk to Steve?
[14:30] <seb128> ok, it's that time again!
[14:30] <jbicha> o/
[14:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-01-30
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 30 14:30:25 2018 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)
[14:30] <andyrock> o/
[14:30] <oSoMoN>    \o
[14:31] <jibel> hi
[14:31] <didrocks> hey
[14:31] <willcooke> o/
[14:31] <kenvandine> o/
[14:31] <heber> o/
[14:31] <Laney> nod
[14:31] <seb128> ok, looks like we have already everybody, let's get started
[14:31] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[14:32] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[14:32] <andyrock> 1. MP to enable gir for goa-backends: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=367371&action=diff
[14:32] <andyrock> 2. MP to fix crash in snapd_login_async: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/31
[14:32] <andyrock> 3. WIP: adding a UbuntuSSO provider in gnome-online-accounts
[14:32] <andyrock> 4. Spent some time considering what needs to be done in order to discharge macaroons in C
[14:32] <andyrock> 5. Review specification for SSO
[14:32] <andyrock> 6. eow
[14:33] <seb128> andyrock, thanks, good work keeping on top of the livepatch work and the new challenges on the way
[14:33] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[14:33] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[14:33] <dgadomski> hey
[14:33] <dgadomski> *fixed bug #1644662
[14:33] <dgadomski> back to working on bug #1743422
[14:33] <dgadomski> looking into a new potential issue related to SMB2 support on 4.13 kernel
[14:33] <dgadomski> eof
[14:34] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[14:34] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[14:34] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[14:34] <didrocks> * Wrote and published blog post about desktop icons and GNOME: https://didrocks.fr/2018/01/23/welcome-to-the-ubuntu-bionic-age-nautilus-a-lts-and-desktop-icons/.
[14:34] <didrocks> * Publish Canonical Unity8 design docs and help give feedbacks to the communitheme effort.
[14:34] <didrocks> * Fixed session-migration security issue on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1735929
[14:34] <didrocks> * Change g-s-d and gnome-shell code for adapating to the volume over 100% new icon name (one less thing lacking!) :)
[14:34] <didrocks> * Session mode extension: rebase on latest master, separate part that are accepted upstream and do another patch upstreamabale for second part + a backup patch for us in case the second isn't accepted (little bit more hackish to minimize the diff impact).
[14:34] <didrocks> * Rebase our 3 GNOME Shell patches and push them to gitlab now that GNOME Shell migrated to it. Also, rediscuss current state of our patches with upstream.
[14:34] <didrocks> * Debug a local gdm not starting issue
[14:34] <didrocks> * [MIR] fonts-noto-color-emoji & various AA work
[14:34] <didrocks> .
[14:35] <seb128> thanks didrocks, busy week as usual :)
[14:35] <didrocks> ;)
[14:35] <seb128> #topic duflu
[14:35] <seb128> * PulseAudio update 1:11.1-1ubuntu4
[14:35] <seb128>   - Still stuck in proposed due to a buggy test in unrelated package gsequencer. It appears this will be unblocked by the newly proposed version of gsequencer being promoted, leaving no buggy version of gsequencer in the same series as the pulseaudio update.
[14:35] <seb128> * Gnome Shell performance work:
[14:35] <seb128>   - CPU issues: Fixes still being discussed upstream(s) (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743976)
[14:35] <seb128>   - Stuttering and lack of smoothness: Finally identified multiple different causes for this so we have a checklist: https://trello.com/c/Q6JYXPPs
[14:36] <seb128>   - Now working through the checklist, starting with the multi-monitor problem. Because multi-monitor frame sync was my domain in Mir, I know how to fix it in Mutter.
[14:36] <seb128> * Totem:
[14:36] <seb128>   - Finally released with headerbar patches removed. Now we ship with the upstream look and feel. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1502476)
[14:36] <seb128> * Unresponsive touchpads (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696929)
[14:36] <seb128>   - Finally, fix released to bionic in libinput 1.9.4-2ubuntu1.
[14:36] <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, mir, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[14:36] <seb128> * HELP: Fixes still awaiting sponsorship:
[14:36] <seb128>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846
[14:36] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:37] <jbicha> • Released GNOME Tweaks 3.27.4. Moved to gitlab.gnome.org and renamed source package. Blogged about the new version.
[14:37] <jbicha> • ubuntu-meta upload. Adds GNOME To Do & Noto color emoji font. Replaces gucharmap with GNOME Characters.
[14:37] <jbicha> • Dropped all known downstream Unity headerbar patches (6 pkgs this week) after lengthy discussion on Community Hub. LP: #1719322
[14:37] <jbicha> • More packaging syncing with Debian GNOME. In particular, Deja Dup this week.
[14:37] <jbicha> • Informed Unity team about LP: #1744619. Too early for feedback yet.
[14:37] <jbicha> • Reviewed some patches for gedit upstream
[14:37] <jbicha> 🏈
[14:37] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[14:38] <seb128> no report from jamesh but he's at the snapcraft summit this week
[14:39] <seb128> #topic  jibel/heber
[14:39] <seb128> jibel, heber, hey
[14:39] <jibel> hey
[14:39] <jibel> - SRU of gnome-software 3.20.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>. It allows a user to install classic snaps from gnome-software (bug 1690280)
[14:39] <jibel> - SRU of ubuntu-release-upgrader and update-manager to make it not segfault on wayland (and upgrade from artful to bionic with the GUI)
[14:39] <jibel> - Triaging of gnome-software bugs and incoming bugs and crashes.
[14:39] <jibel> - Merge proposal that includes fixes for gnome-software tests submitted.
[14:39] <jibel> - Update ubiquity tests according to changes in keyboard selection
[14:39] <jibel> ..
[14:39] <seb128> thanks jibel
[14:39] <seb128> #topic kenvandine
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:39] <kenvandine> hey
[14:40] <kenvandine> * Created a classic snap for gnome-software, built for base-18 (to be renamed core18) for bionic.  This works fine on bionic, but not 17.10 or 16.04 due to snapcraft not really supporting building for another base yet.  Sergio is working on getting that sorted out ASAP.
[14:40] <kenvandine> * Working on locale support in the desktop snaps
[14:40] <kenvandine> * Preparing for GNOME AB meeting later this week
[14:40] <kenvandine> * I'll be traveling tomorrow and Monday
[14:40] <kenvandine> EOF
[14:40] <seb128> thanks kenvandine, see at fosdem :)
[14:40] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:40] <seb128> #topic Laney
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, hey
[14:41] <Laney> hi there
[14:41] <Laney> o more work on the alarms stuff, now setting up and triggering the timer works, and snoozing works, just got to integrate the units into the build system
[14:41] <Laney> o I got some feedback on the systemd user stuff, should try to get back to that this week
[14:41] <Laney> o fixed upower autopkgtest (trivial), just uploaded that, should make the new version migrate if it's all good
[14:41] <Laney> o got germinate and livecd-rootfs approved for snap seeding stuff, just tweaking livecd-rootfs to fix the tests then should soon be good to go (look at the diff for livecd-rootfs 2.492 if you want to see what a fail looks like)
[14:41] <Laney> o a lot of babysitting of autopkgtests and working with IS since the clouds - particularly the boston ones - were quite unreliable this week. sort of getting the queues under control now
[14:41] <Laney> ?
[14:42] <seb128> thanks Laney, good work getting the snap seeding ready!
[14:42] <seb128> #topic oSoMoN
[14:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey
[14:42] <oSoMoN> hey
[14:42] <oSoMoN> • firefox
[14:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ helped Johan debug localization of firefox snap
[14:42] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[14:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ 63.0.3239.132 was published to {artful,xenial,trusty}-security
[14:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ 64.0.3282.119 in bionic-proposed (should migrate shortly), ready for {artful,xenial,trusty}-security in stage PPA, and snap in candidate channel
[14:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated dev to 65.0.3325.18 and snap in edge channel
[14:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ talked to upstream author of VA-API patch, he is reworking it at the moment, in the meantime I rebased the existing patch on the latest dev branch but there were numerous conflicts and I must have missed something because I am not seeing hardware-accelerated video decoding as I did before
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ investigated color emoji support in chromium, this is being implemented upstream
[14:43] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed and fixed https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115208
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ backported debian patch to fix FTBFS with newer libpoppler
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed and fixed bug #1745685 by backporting an upstream patch
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ looking again into bug #1699772 that makes libreoffice autopkgtests fail on i386
[14:43] <oSoMoN>   ∘ investigated color emoji support in libreoffice, no support upstream yet (not even in 6.0)

[14:43] <seb128> oSoMoN, is the libreoffice/i386 issue still that kernel/java problem?
[14:43] <oSoMoN> yes
[14:44] <seb128> should we skip over that test again?
[14:44] <oSoMoN> I think we should, but I'm testing kernel 4.14.15 to see if it fixes it
[14:44] <seb128> k
[14:44] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[14:45] <seb128> #topic seb128
[14:45] <seb128> • reviewed the common printing dialogs sources in NEW
[14:45] <seb128> • some binNEW handling
[14:45] <seb128> • launchpads/e.u.c reviews/triaging
[14:45] <seb128> • meetings, trying to keep up with ongoing work, trello updates

[14:45] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[14:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[14:45] <tkamppeter> - Hardware: Got an HP OfficeJet Pro 8730 multi-function device. Tested it. Working well on Bionic, both via HPLIP (printing and scanning) and driverless (printing only).
[14:45] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.20.0: Improvements on driverless PPD generator, as human-readable strings for all options and choices including PageSize, even proprietary names taken from printer's strings file, fixes to actually get all page sizes, including borderless ones, made also color mode and media type correctly work.
[14:45] <tkamppeter> - CUPS snap: Looked into how to get it into the store.
[14:45] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Continued with Sahil Arora on removing use of private Poppler APIs in cups-filters. Work on GSoC 2018 application of the Linux Foundation, making sure all subgroups put up project ideas.
[14:45] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[14:46] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[14:46] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[14:46] <seb128> - Updated GNOME software channels branch to support URLs of the form snap://moon-buggy?channel=beta
[14:46] <seb128> - Updated GNOME software paid snaps branch to work with recent upstream changes.
[14:46] <seb128> - Working on getting channel information returned from Snap searches so we can
[14:46] <seb128> #topic AOB
[14:47] <seb128> other topics?
[14:47] <jbicha> I thought the Shotwell/Photos topic on the Hub was interesting
[14:48] <seb128> in what regard?
[14:48] <jbicha> well someone did a lot of work to make that chart at least!
[14:48] <seb128> right
[14:48] <seb128> it's probably worth considering next cycle
[14:48] <jbicha> I like the UI, but it seems Photos just still has a few "essential" features missing for now
[14:49] <seb128> yeah, also tracker depends is still a topic not sorted out
[14:49] <seb128> and changing in LTS cycle is something we usually avoid doing
[14:49] <seb128> especially for something non trivial which interact with user datas
[14:49] <jbicha> last I checked, Fedora shipped Shotwell too so no rush from our part
[14:49] <seb128> like it's one thing to change the charmap picker, another to change the photos library
[14:50] <seb128> right
[14:50] <jbicha> nothing else from me :)
[14:50] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[14:50] <seb128> anybody having something to share/discuss?
[14:50] <seb128> +else
[14:51] <seb128> seems not, it's a wrap then
[14:51] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[14:51] <seb128> thanks everyone!
[14:51] <seb128> #endmeeting
[14:51] <didrocks> thx!
[14:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 30 14:51:33 2018 UTC.
[14:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-01-30-14.30.moin.txt
[14:52] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:56] <seb128> jbicha, btw do you know what's the status of the udisks update? is that still blocked on the libblockdev mir?
[14:59] <jbicha> seb128: I just added a comment to LP: #1735499 to address doko's questions
[14:59] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[15:00] <jbicha> I am not working on MIRs for libbytesize or volume-key (mentioned in bug description) so if someone wants those, they should file the MIRs
[15:11] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, will you work on rustc 1.23/cargo 0.24 updates?
[15:18] <seb128> dgadomski, still around?
[15:18] <dgadomski> seb128: yep, I'm here
[15:20] <seb128> dgadomski, bug #1644662 it seems like that the version in bionic is still using IconTheme=Adwaita so why did you mark it invalid there? also you might want to reassign to the right source or add gnome-themes-standard to the bug since that's what you patch and maybe subscribe ubuntu-sponsors?
[15:21] <dgadomski> seb128: I assumed that since there's no Appearance/Theme setting in bionic (but rather that's achieved via tweak-tool) a user has a chance to set the icon theme in the same place where the highcontrast theme may be set
[15:21] <dgadomski> re: gnome-themes-standard - that's a good point, will fix that
[15:22] <seb128> dgadomski, under Unity the panel should still be the same no?
[15:22] <seb128> in bionic
[15:22] <seb128> there is no reason the issue stopped existing
[15:22] <seb128> also if that should is right it should be submitted upstream as well
[15:23] <dgadomski> seb128: ack, will address that, thanks
[15:23] <seb128> thx
[15:23] <dgadomski> yw
[15:28] <xclaesse[m]> Are there known bugs regarding ctr-c/ctr-v behaviour under wayland in 17.10? I had a few times ctr-v pasting older text that shouldn't be in the clipboard anymore.
[15:30] <kenvandine> jibel, gsilvapt is interesting in helping working on automating testing of our snaps
[15:30] <kenvandine> s/interesting/interested :)
[15:30] <jbicha> dgadomski: btw, upstream moved to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-themes-extra
[15:30] <dgadomski> jbicha: oh, I see, thx
[15:30] <gsilvapt> Hello all o/
[15:32] <gsilvapt> be back in 1 minute, need to restart
[15:34] <gsilvapt> Ok, I'm back
[15:42] <jibel> gsilvapt, hi, thanks for proposing your help. Are you interested in writing automated tests or more working on testing tools for automation?
[15:42] <seb128> xclaesse[m], GNOME/wayland has no clipboard manager so if you close the app you copied from the selection is lost
[15:43] <gsilvapt> Actually both, hehe. In this initial phase, I think working on testing tools is more adequate for me
[15:44] <seb128> xclaesse[m], that was confusingly worded, but you loose what you copied when closing an application
[15:45] <jibel> gsilvapt, cool. if you like challenges we have a tool for package tests (debs and RIP click packages) called autopkgtest (results http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/) we'd need to extend it to support snap packages.
[15:45] <jibel> gsilvapt, is it something you'd be interested in?
[15:45] <gsilvapt> Although I would need guidance, yes that is interesting
[15:46] <xclaesse[m]> seb128: good to know but that's not what I'm experiencing, I have ctr-v pasting something different depending on which app I do it.
[15:47] <xclaesse[m]> ctr-v in a Webkit app paste some older text, and in any other app it paste the newer text
[15:47] <xclaesse[m]> could be a wayland vs xwayland distinction...
[15:48] <xclaesse[m]> anyway, I'll try to understand more exactly the case when it happens again. Just wanted to know if that rings a bell
[15:49] <mgedmin> I've noticed that sometimes I copy stuff in chromium (Xwayland) and paste it into gnome-terminal (native Wayland app) and get outdated contents
[15:49] <mgedmin> restarting chromium fixes things
[15:51] <gsilvapt> jibel ^ (I keep forgetting to mention people, argh)
[15:51] <seb128> xclaesse[m], nothing that I know about, sorry
[15:51] <jibel> gsilvapt, np, I was search for https://anonscm.debian.org/git/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git
[15:51] <jibel> searching*
[15:54] <jibel> gsilvapt, this is where the code is. In the doc there is a specs for debs and clicks. We'd need something similar for snaps. The idea would be to add a test specification to the snaps (maybe in the yaml) that automation tools could read to know what to execute to test the package, then extend autopkgtest to run tests against snap packages
[15:55] <kenvandine> jibel, gsilvapt: maybe something like the "apps" section but "tests" with commands to run
[15:57] <gsilvapt> Hum, I can have a look into that
[15:58] <gsilvapt> How should I test my changes? Should I get a couple snap sandboxes to give it a go when modifications are done?
[15:58] <gsilvapt> kenvandine, jibel ^
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, yes
[16:00] <jibel> gsilvapt, yes, you create your own snap or modify an existing one, branch autopkgtest and start hacking.
[16:00] <gsilvapt> The problem is creating a snap with tests. Perhaps I should try getting an app that already has some tests to give it a go
[16:01] <gsilvapt> jibel, there is a command to run autopkg manually, right?
[16:02] <gsilvapt> jibel, Or the main goal now is to just run autopkg tests on snaps that already run against other "regular" packages?
[16:03] <jibel> gsilvapt, yes, there is a wiki page that explains how to run it for debs http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html
[16:03] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, i think you should start out by looking at the autopkgtests source, there is a test in that for click
[16:04] <jibel> gsilvapt, start with something simple, even a test that always returns 'true' would be good for a start
[16:04] <kenvandine> maybe start out by duplicating anything in there related to testing clicks and make it snap
[16:04] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, i can give you a test snap that just returns true :)
[16:04] <gsilvapt> All right, makes sense. I'll simplify this for now and keep getting back to you when I get into troubles
[16:04] <jibel> the *true* snap ;)
[16:05] <kenvandine> :)
[16:05] <jibel> gsilvapt, thanks, don't hesitate to ask if you have any question
[16:05] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, and for now you can make the test just run the snap... later you can add the logic to pull tests from a snap
[16:06] <gsilvapt> kenvandine, yes, I was already thinking in a later stage and it doesn't make sense.
[16:11] <jibel> gsilvapt, parsing of the definition file is in lib/testdesc.py and package management functions are in lib/adt_testbed.py. you can start by proposing a format for the test description, then patch these files to parse the new test description and install snap packages
[16:13] <kenvandine> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+junk/snap-test-true/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[16:13] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, jibel ^^
[16:13] <kenvandine> that will just return true
[16:14] <gsilvapt> kenvandine, thanks! I'm assuming I'll need a couple of days before actually testing anything though :D
[16:15] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, sure :)
[16:16] <seb128> kenvandine, I did a PR but need to tweak something so I removed it, need to step out for half an hour and then I resubmit it
[16:16] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, thx!
[16:17] <gsilvapt> jibel, what's your timezone? I need to look at this, have a though before trying to do some changes and wanted to know for how long I'll find you around
[16:18] <jibel> gsilvapt, France, UTC+1 or 2 depending on DST
[16:18] <jibel> gsilvapt, my irc client is always on otherwise email me, my ubuntu address is on lp
[16:19] <gsilvapt> Ok, thanks. I'll put my head on this and will ask questions :P
[16:19] <jibel> gsilvapt, Great, thanks again!
[16:20] <gsilvapt> No, I thank you guys for helping me out!
[16:24] <jbicha> seb128: see the #control-center discussion. Captive Portal on/off switch is blocked from upstream acceptance because Design wants better justification of why it's needed
[16:25] <jbicha> and wording for how to explain to users the downsides of turning it off
[16:25] <jbicha> initial GNOME 3.28 UI Freeze is next week
[17:13] <gsilvapt> jibel, I was looking at the code and I have some questions to help me design a solution proposal. Can you help me out in this?
[18:05] <Laney> nighty night
[18:22] <xclaesse[m]> Ohh, fontconfig package cannot be rebuilt on Ubuntu 17.10
[18:22] <xclaesse[m]> fcmatch.c:324:63: error: 'PRI_CHAR_WIDTH_STRONG' undeclared here (not in a function); did you mean 'PRI_WIDTH_STRONG'?
[18:22] <xclaesse[m]> When simply running apt source fontcontig and debuild
[18:24] <xclaesse[m]> Looks like related to glibc >= 2.25: https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages/issues/5693
[18:37] <xclaesse[m]> FYI, it's fixed upstream in fontconfig 2.12.2 with commit 1ab5258f7c2abfafcd63a760ca08bf93591912da
[18:49] <seb128> xclaesse[m], thanks for pointing that out
[22:07] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, did you see that screenshot i posted last night?
[22:07] <kenvandine> or yesterday morning for you :)
[22:08] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, https://imgur.com/a/abkKu
[22:09] <kenvandine> the featured grouping on the left there, when browsing category is there in 16.04 but not in 17.10
[22:09] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, any idea why?
[22:29] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, I'm investigating now
[22:42] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, it seems the AppStream data is not populating it. If I use my Snap branch to populate the featured games it works https://imgur.com/a/97AKU
[22:43] <kenvandine[m][m]> Do you have a featured in that drop down
[22:47] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, no
[22:47] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, the featured games show regardless of which category has been chosen
[22:47] <robert_ancell> Note that G-S lists the highest rated games in the categories - not all the available ones
[22:48] <robert_ancell> We have an issue with snaps in that we don't have any ratings, so I had to hack it to show them over other packaging formats (i.e. not upstreamable)
[22:48] <robert_ancell> I've asked on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/mapping-snap-store-sections-to-xdg-sections for clarification on what the snap sections mean - featured games or all games
[22:51] <kenvandine[m][m]> robert_ancell: in 16.04 it does show featured there though
[22:52] <kenvandine[m][m]> Or do you mean it just filters them differently
[22:52] <kenvandine[m][m]> And in 16.04 those aren't actually featured
[22:52] <robert_ancell> kenvandine[m][m], that must be the AppStream data has changed (or the plugin)
[22:52] <robert_ancell> The display code is all there
[22:52] <robert_ancell> kenvandine[m][m], is it a problem?
[22:54] <kenvandine[m][m]> Will pointed it out and said we want featured to be in that selector for eact category/section
[22:54] <kenvandine[m][m]> I guess only if some apps in that section are featured
[22:54] <robert_ancell> kenvandine[m][m], for snaps or .debs?
[22:55] <kenvandine[m][m]> For snaps
[22:55] <robert_ancell> kenvandine[m][m], right, so nothing shows now for snaps, but with my branch they show as in that screenshot. That seems the most practical way forward.
[22:55] <kenvandine[m][m]> He basically said make it work like we have in 16.04
[22:56] <robert_ancell> The only issue is it only shows three featured items, but I can make it scroll more (should be upstreamable)
[22:56] <kenvandine[m][m]> Oh, I thought you said there wasn't a featured item in that selector
[22:57] <robert_ancell> The combo box doesn't have featured in it - the featured apps always show at the top regardless of its value
[22:57] <robert_ancell> e.g. if I show "adventure" games the featured snaps still show, even if they're not adventure games (which we can't determine anyway)
[23:04] <kenvandine[m][m]> Yeah, I'm talking about featured being in that selector
[23:05] <kenvandine[m][m]> Maybe that's not meaningful on 16.04 now
[23:05] <kenvandine[m][m]> But it's there
[23:15] <robert_ancell> kenvandine[m][m], https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/10
[23:33] <kenvandine[m][m]> robert_ancell: woot
[23:33] <kenvandine[m][m]> Gitlab is so refreshing ;-)
[23:48] <robert_ancell> kenvandine[m][m], SO MUCH EASIER :)
[23:49] <kenvandine> :)
[23:53] <kenvandine> ugh... i see i have a double [m] with matrix
[23:53] <kenvandine> wonder why


[16:18] <Ng> erk, is anyone else able to reproduce super weird terminal related focus bugs atm?
[16:19] <Ng> if I have a terminal open I basically can't give full focus to anything else


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[00:34] <gpxvp> So finally got xubuntu up and running, due to lack of intelligence that took a while. Now how do i get irssi installed? apt-get install irssi didnt work neither did aptitude install irssi so hmm =D
[00:56] <scizzo-> gpxvp: using mirrors from the net?
[00:57] <scizzo-> gpxvp: I mean is it trying to get irssi from disk or cd?
[01:01] <gpxvp> hmm
[01:01] <gpxvp> i think it's trying to get it from disk/cd
[01:01] <gpxvp> by a tip from someone else i checked my sources.list and everything was commented out
[01:02] <gpxvp> i removed the comments now though
[01:03] <gpxvp> didnt help though
[01:04] <gpxvp> or do i need to do something to make the modified .list be used
[01:12] <scizzo-> gpxvp: did you comment out the cdrom one?
[01:12] <scizzo-> and then ran: sudo apt-get update
[01:12] <scizzo-> apt-cache search irssi
[01:16] <gpxvp> i fixed it by just using the synaptic package manager
[01:17] <gpxvp> but yea apt-get update worked now
[01:18] <scizzo-> ok
[01:18] <scizzo-> well I am off to bed
[01:18] <scizzo-> nn
[03:39] <neur1> anyone using conky?
[05:07] <nikolam> what to do when process is stuck?
[05:08] <somerville32> nikolam, kill it :)
[05:08] <nikolam> For example, i tried to fix that Nasty UUID mess in /etc/fstab
[05:08] <nikolam> And started sudo vol_id /dev/sda1
[05:08] <somerville32> sudo killall vol_id
[05:08] <nikolam> Now I have a bunch of dead vol_id`s
[05:08] <nikolam> It wont die
[05:09] <somerville32> use code 9
[05:09] <soldats> or pgrep "process" and then kill the PID it says it is
[05:09] <nikolam> even sudo kill -9 wont work
[05:09] <somerville32> nikolam, reboot then
[05:09] <nikolam> ps -A | grep vol_id
[05:09] <nikolam> Ah,, same like windblows.
[05:10] <nikolam> I tried to fix issue with Ctrl+D needded to press while rebooting..
[05:10] <somerville32> and why exactly is /etc/fstab a mess?
[05:10] <nikolam> Why we have UUID`s in /etc/fstab, anyway? To make machine useless every time i format some partition? :I
[05:11] <somerville32> no
[05:11] <somerville32> !uuid | nikolam
[05:11] <ubotu> nikolam: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:11] <nikolam> It happens just like that, every time. Wont boot till i press Ctrl+d
[05:11] <somerville32> nikolam, Yea, I think I saw your bug report in my mailbox.
[05:13] <nikolam> Ok, every command I type gets stuck. I need to reboot, CU
[05:13] <nikolam> 10x 2 all
[10:53] <legoman> I got some problems with Xubuntu 7.10. When I try to execute terminal, I just got black screen, see some text with [OK], and after that I'm back to log-in screen
[10:54] <neur1> how do i edit a file?
[10:57] <TheSheep> neur1: what kind of file?
[10:58] <neur1> umm . . . this one "/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default"
[10:59] <TheSheep>  sudo mousepad /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default
[11:00] <TheSheep> legoman: looks like your X crashed, there was a bug in terminal that made it crash on some graphic cards
[11:00] <neur1> thanks TheSheep :)
[11:00] <TheSheep> legoman: setting the color depth to 16 bpp or using a different terminal emulator (like gnome-terminal) were the recommended workarounds
[11:01] <legoman> oki, I need to try that, thank you
[11:05] <scizzo-> hmmm a bit strange that my machine is causing blender to be dodgy
[11:06] <scizzo-> since its a 2gb memory, dual core machine
[11:06] <scizzo-> with 8800GTS graphics card
[12:27] <PuppyLinus> anyone know how to change the screen res in xubuntu?
[12:28] <TheSheep> PuppyLinus: settings->display settings
[12:30] <PuppyLinus> it doesnt have the resolution i want.  i have a widescreen monitor and i want a res of 1440x900
[12:32] <PuppyLinus> no matter how many times a change my xorg.conf i dont get any other choices in display settings. alwaus the same thre alternatives 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480, and i dont even have those listed in xorg.conf.
[12:34] <scizzo->  PuppyLinus: can you place your xorg.conf in pastebin and give us the link please?
[12:36] <PuppyLinus> http://pastebin.com/d24d9f9df
[12:38] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: using dual monitors?
[12:38] <PuppyLinus> not right now. just trying to get the one working properly.
[12:39] <PuppyLinus> have i left any dual monitor settings in my conf_
[12:39] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: try to comment out the line that says:
[12:39] <scizzo->         Modeline "1280x800_60.00"  83.46  1280 1344 1480 1680  800 801 804 828  -HSync +Vsync
[12:40] <PuppyLinus> do you know any trick the apply the change without having to restart x_
[12:40] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: nope
[12:40] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: you have to restart X
[12:40] <PuppyLinus> ok.. brb
[12:42] <PuppyLinus> back
[12:42] <PuppyLinus> and, no. didnt work
[12:42] <scizzo-> hmm
[12:44] <scizzo-> I don't belive that the Section "Screen" is needed
[12:45] <PuppyLinus> just remove Section "Screen"... ... EndSection?
[12:46] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: no
[12:46] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: that might do other problems....saw that the allmän skärm is linked to it for some reason
[12:46] <PuppyLinus> generated that way by sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[12:48] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: you know what the resolution is now that you have?
[12:48] <PuppyLinus> 1280x1024
[12:48] <scizzo-> o.O
[12:49] <scizzo-> TheSheep: any ideas?
[12:51] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: try to see if the resolution has been tried to start in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:51] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: if there is a error or something
[12:52] <PuppyLinus> ok
[12:53] <PuppyLinus> what am i looking for_
[12:54] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Currently active displays on Pipe A:
[12:54] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): 	CRT
[12:55] <PuppyLinus> that doesnt seem right
[12:56] <scizzo-> hmmm
[12:56] <scizzo-> did you do the config when both screens where connected?
[12:58] <PuppyLinus> no. dont think there should be any trace of the dual screens left. it was a while back.
[12:58] <PuppyLinus> http://pastebin.com/d60070b77
[12:59] <PuppyLinus> all log info concerning the driver
[13:00] <scizzo-> PuppyLinus: hmmm does it change when you do Ctrl+Alt++ or -
[13:00] <scizzo-> ?
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> no
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> found something i think
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Allmän skärm: Using hsync range of 28.00-83.00 kHz
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Allmän skärm: Using vrefresh range of 56.00-75.00 Hz
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name)
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Increasing the scanline pitch to allow tiling mode (1280 -> 2048).
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1280x1024 (pitch 2048)
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (**) I810(0):  Built-in mode "1280x1024"
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (**) I810(0):  Built-in mode "1024x768"
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (**) I810(0):  Built-in mode "800x600"
[13:00] <PuppyLinus> (**) I810(0):  Built-in mode "640x480"
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 75.02Hz refresh for mode "1280x1024" (858)
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 75.03Hz refresh for mode "1024x768" (854)
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 75.00Hz refresh for mode "800x600" (852)
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (II) I810(0): Attempting to use 75.00Hz refresh for mode "640x480" (850)
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (**) I810(0): Display dimensions: (410, 260) mm
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (**) I810(0): DPI set to (79, 100)
[13:01] <PuppyLinus> (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[13:02] <scizzo-> please avoid spamming
[13:02] <scizzo-> that is why we use pastebin
[13:03] <PuppyLinus> sorry.
[13:03] <scizzo-> yeah seems like that is the problem
[13:04] <PuppyLinus>  (no mode of this name). how do i change that?
[13:05] <PuppyLinus> what if i change Modeline "1440x900_60.00" into Modeline "1440x900"?
[13:06] <scizzo-> I don't know the modeline parameters that well I am afraid
[13:07] <PuppyLinus> ok.. i'll chack if that makes any difference
[13:07] <PuppyLinus> brb
[13:09] <PuppyLinus> nope
[13:10] <PuppyLinus> same problem
[15:03] <bjxrnsxrn> I've got a little problem, my panels has disappeared and when i click the button 'panel' in settings manager there is no response
[15:05] <bjxrnsxrn> would anybody know why ?:)
[15:33] <crazy2k> Hello. I'm having trouble with xubuntu. I booted from the CD (the md5sum says it's alright) but after starting XFCE I'm not able to move the pointer nor use the menus. The computer doesn't freeze. It's like a X issue, because I can use the terminal if I press ctrl+alt+backspace.
[15:34] <crazy2k> I tried with the "safe mode" also, but it told me something like "the graphics server has been shutdown 6 times already; it seems that something is wrong".
[15:35] <crazy2k> Don't know what else to do. The computer seems to satisfy the requirements. It's an AMD K6-2 500Mhz, 320 MB RAM.
[15:36] <scizzo-> only get problems moving the mouse?
[15:36] <crazy2k> scizzo-: Uhmm, the screen looks a bit weird.
[15:36] <crazy2k> scizzo-: And I don't know how to open a menu or something in xfce without the mouse.
[15:37] <crazy2k> scizzo-: But yes, the screen looks weird too.
[15:37] <crazy2k> With some strange lines and a bit fuzzy.
[15:38] <scizzo-> sounds like a strange setup in xorg
[15:39] <crazy2k> scizzo-: Yeap. Maybe I should attempt to modify LiveCD's xorg.conf?
[15:39] <scizzo-> its on a liveCD?
[15:40] <crazy2k> But I don't quite know what's wrong with it.
[15:41] <scizzo-> hmm
[15:41] <scizzo-> is this a usb mouse?
[15:42] <crazy2k> scizzo-: No.
[15:46] <pigeon22> Maybe try reconfiguring xorg with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". You'll need to have some hardware info ready to enter.
[15:48] <scizzo-> hmm isnt 60hz the standard frequenzy for LCD monitors?
[16:40] <ciro314> hello! which packet is needed to let brasero burn audio cds from mp3 ? thanks in advance
[16:41] <TheSheep> !mp3
[16:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:50] <ciro314> i have read that documentation but i am not able to burn audio cds. #sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly but nothing
[16:52] <TheSheep> :/
[16:54] <TheSheep> ciro314: looking at the docs, brasero uses gstreamer, so it should make it work
[16:55] <TheSheep> ciro314: try installing the lame library maybe ;/
[16:55] <ciro314> ok
[16:55] <predaeus> ciro314, not sure if it was with brasero, but I burned an audio cd once, and thought it didn't work because it just made noise, but afterwards I discovered it worked fine and was just mounted or something which lead to the error. So how do you know it does not work?
[16:57] <ciro314> when adding the mp3 file in a brasero audio cd project it shows an error: cannot handle this filetype try installing the properly gstreamer plugin
[16:57] <predaeus> ah
[17:11] <leonardo> olá...
[17:11] <leonardo> alguém poderia me dar uma ajuda?ehhe
[17:12] <leonardo> hi?
[17:13] <TheSheep> !es | leonardo
[17:13] <ubotu> leonardo: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:14] <TheSheep> !pt | leonardo
[17:14] <ubotu> leonardo: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[17:23] <leonardo> Ok...you can help me in english
[17:23] <leonardo> i was using my note when it get very hot and all stopped
[17:24] <TheSheep> looks like your fan broke and the cpu burned
[17:24] <leonardo> when i restarted my user was't logging in the grraphical mode
[17:24] <TheSheep> ah, so it didn't burn good
[17:24] <TheSheep> that's good
[17:24] <leonardo> to load in the graphical mode i have to log with another user and then log to my user
[17:25] <TheSheep> leonardo: you get any message?
[17:26] <leonardo> no
[17:27] <TheSheep> leonardo: sorry, I have to run for a train :(
[17:27] <leonardo> the system shows a msg about the battery as it shows when the system was well loaded
[17:27] <leonardo> oh :(..ok..have a good time ;)
[17:27] <leonardo> if anyone here can help me :)
[17:31] <leonardo> none?hehe
[17:57] <leonardo> hi?
[18:32] <leonardo> does anyone here can help me?
[18:33] <leonardo> ?
[18:44] <aarivera> good evening everyone
[18:45] <aarivera> i'd like to know how can i upgrade an xubuntu machine from feisty to gutsy
[21:12] <crazy2k> Well, tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server" and now X looks a bit better. However, I can't make the pointer move. I tried "cat /dev/(psaux|mice|mouse0)" and none of them show anything when I move the mouse.
[21:13] <thruxton> crazy2k: it might be /dev/input/mice
[21:15] <crazy2k> thruxton: That I tried too.  :)
[21:15] <thruxton> ahh
[21:16] <thruxton> crazy2k: what does xorg.conf use as the mouse driver? `mouse' ?
[21:19] <crazy2k> thruxton: Yes.
[21:22] <Rhorse> #
[21:22] <Rhorse>     /msg nickserv set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:25] <crazy2k> thruxton: why?
[21:27] <thruxton> crazy2k: sorry, thats ok, thats correct, I'm not sure then what the solution is
[21:27] <thruxton> is it a ps/2 mouse or usb?
[21:28] <thruxton> crazy2k: you've tried another mouse and checked the connection just to rule that stuff out?
[21:29] <crazy2k> I don't have another mouse. Actually, I do, but it can't be connected to this computer.
[21:29] <crazy2k> But the connection is okay. It works with win98.
[21:29] <thruxton> ok
[21:31] <manchicken> So does anybody know how to make it so that when I click a link in pidgin on desktop 2 the firefox on desktop 1 doesn't move to desktop 2?
[22:21] <Camish_> How do I make xfce not to autostart?
[22:21] <Camish_> I would like to write in the console, startxfce4 if I want to start it.
[22:39] <evil_tech> xubuntu is running dog slow. any known issues with it and asus boards?
[22:40] <Catoptromancy> !top
[22:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:40] <Camish_> How do I make xfce not to autostart?
[22:40] <evil_tech> i cant even get it to that point
[22:40] <Camish_> I would like to write in the console, startxfce4 if I want to start it.
[22:42] <Catoptromancy> !runlevels
[22:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevels - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:43] <Camish_> runlevels?!
[22:44] <Camish_> I just need to disable gdm in some why
[22:44] <Camish_> I think anyway
[22:44] <thruxton> Camish_: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[22:45] <Camish_> You mean Applications-system-services and disable gdm?
[22:45] <thruxton> Camish_: sure, I'm not on ubuntu at the moment, but if that works try it
[22:47] <Camish_> Am in need of a fast "network file system" that can be used on the Internet where the speed will be around 20 Mbit/sec. Any recommendations?
[22:58] <zoredache> http
[23:08] <beewoo> hello, i hve just intstalled xubuntu gutsy on a sony laptop but the fan doesn,t stop. anyone can help?
[23:08] <yoques> What's the fan?
[23:11] <yoques> Hi
[23:12] <yoques> I removed program xscreensaver, but my problem persists
[23:13] <yoques> when I close the panel, it become black and my portatil don't works, and only return work when I close sistem at force
[23:17] <beewoo> the coolong device. it goes constantly now
[23:18] <beewoo> that,s what i mean by the fan
[23:18] <beewoo> cooling
[23:18] <beewoo> sorry about the typos...
[23:38] <Dan8765_linux> hi
[23:38] <Dan8765_linux> anyone there?
[23:39] <zoredache> perhaps, why not ask a question.
[23:39] <Dan8765_linux> well i got a problem
[23:39] <Dan8765_linux> i have xp and xubuntu dual boot
[23:39] <Dan8765_linux> well i had
[23:39] <Dan8765_linux> anyway, i added another hdd today
[23:40] <Dan8765_linux> while in xp i set up the partion for the new hdd w/ partion magic
[23:40] <Dan8765_linux> that went ok
[23:40] <Dan8765_linux> i rebooted to go back into windows
[23:40] <Dan8765_linux> now i got a grub error 17
[23:40] <Dan8765_linux> what in the world should i do
[23:41] <Dan8765_linux> ?
[23:41] <zoredache> does xubuntu boot?
[23:41] <Dan8765_linux> no
[23:42] <Dan8765_linux> should i reinstall xubuntu?
[23:42] <Dan8765_linux> w/ thel ive cd?
[23:42] <Dan8765_linux> live
[23:42] <Dan8765_linux> i get no boot prompt
[23:43] <Dan8765_linux> it doesnt get that far in boot up
[23:43] <zoredache> well, so what are probably going to need to do is a) try removing the hard drive, b) getting a livecd and seeing if any of your partitions still exist, c) google the grub error...
[23:43] <Dan8765_linux> i did google grub error
[23:43] <Dan8765_linux> many many hits for that
[23:43] <zoredache> and what was the general cause of the error?
[23:43] <Dan8765_linux> well i seen one that thought fit my situtation
[23:44] <Dan8765_linux> just to reinstall xbuntu
[23:44] <Dan8765_linux> but i'm afraid its going to format wrong partition
[23:44] <zoredache> do  you have any important data on your drive?
[23:44] <Dan8765_linux> how do i know what parttions its going to format
[23:44] <Dan8765_linux> it gave two
[23:44] <zoredache> I wouldn't do anything until you have tried two back things up
[23:44] <Dan8765_linux> yes very much
[23:45] <Dan8765_linux> on one partition
[23:45] <Dan8765_linux> i dotn want to lose that data
[23:45] <Dan8765_linux> its like 80 gigs of data
[23:45] <Dan8765_linux> i have about 70 of it backed up
[23:45] <Dan8765_linux> i have not done a back up in a while
[23:45] <Dan8765_linux> i really would like to keep it intact
[23:45] <zoredache> Personally I would never run any partitioning or formatting tools on any drives I don't have 100% backed up...
[23:46] <zoredache> but that is neither here nor their...
[23:46] <Dan8765_linux> well this is somthing i've done before
[23:46] <Dan8765_linux> i just am new very new to linux
[23:46] <Dan8765_linux> installed it the other day
[23:46] <Dan8765_linux> its linux i believe that has given me this problem
[23:46] <zoredache> anyway you said things where working before you put the drive it... just disconnect the new drive and see what happens
[23:46] <Dan8765_linux> i have already
[23:47] <Dan8765_linux> no help
[23:47] <Dan8765_linux> i rehooked it up an ran the live cd
[23:47] <Dan8765_linux> to try and copy the datat of the parttion i want to back up
[23:47] <Dan8765_linux> it wont mount
[23:47] <Dan8765_linux> i was gonna dump the partion to thenew hddd
[23:47] <Dan8765_linux> but thenew hdd wont mount
[23:48] <Dan8765_linux> anyone know how to list partitions w/ linux?
[23:48] <Dan8765_linux> what the command is?
[23:48] <zoredache> fdisk -l
[23:48] <Dan8765_linux> so when i go and reinstall xubuntu it will tel me what drives its going to format
[23:49] <Dan8765_linux> ok
[23:49] <Dan8765_linux> brb
[23:49] <Dan8765_linux> thx
[23:49] <zoredache> are you using the livecd, or the altcd...  I don't really know anything about the livecd installer, I always use the alt....
[23:50] <Dan8765_linux> live
[23:50] <Dan8765_linux> thats all i have
[23:50] <Dan8765_linux> dont know ath alt is
[23:51] <Dan8765_linux> sda6 and sda7 says taht linux
[23:51] <Dan8765_linux> can i delete that partion w/ the live cd?
[23:51] <zoredache> the alternate cd is a version of the installer that is menu driven, and doexn't have x11.  You have a lot more control about the setup from the alt cd
[23:52] <Dan8765_linux> i'm just worried if i reinstall xubuntu and every partions has data it will format a partititon i dont want tit too
[23:52] <Dan8765_linux> well darn i dont have that
[23:52] <Dan8765_linux> the altcd
[23:52] <Dan8765_linux> i guess i could down load it somewhere
[23:52] <Dan8765_linux> from this pc
[23:52] <zoredache> do you have your windows xp cd?
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> well not acutally that not gonna work
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> from this pc
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> i'll have to burn the iso
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> cant do it from this pc
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> no
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> no xp
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> cd
[23:53] <Dan8765_linux> i'll just start up the reinstall and see what partions it wasnt to format
[23:54] <zoredache> from  your xp cd you could do a fixmbr and get windows xp going again...
[23:54] <Dan8765_linux> if its wrong i'll have to try the manual ....the first tiem ii install i didnt use manyual
[23:54] <Dan8765_linux> can i fix it would a winboot disk?
[23:54] <Dan8765_linux> win98 bootdisk
[23:55] <Dan8765_linux> use that mbr comand
[23:55] <zoredache> do you have fdisk.exe on your windows 98 boot disk?
[23:55] <Dan8765_linux> yes
[23:56] <zoredache> you could try booting off that disk and running the command 'fdisk /mbr'
[23:56] <Dan8765_linux> ok i'll try that
[23:56] <Dan8765_linux> i have to hook up my floppy drive
[23:56] <Dan8765_linux> never used it so i removed it
[23:56] <Dan8765_linux> lol
[23:56] <Dan8765_linux> brb