[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135394 in kdepim (main) "kmail fetch mail multiple from server if "leave on server for x days" is enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135394
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135395 in xawtv (universe) "Merge xawtv 3.95.dfsg.1-5 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135395
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135400 in giplet (universe) "Close button in 'About dialog' does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135400
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135401 in gnome-control-center (main) "gnome-at-properties prevents access to preferred apps dialog when assistive technologies is not enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135401
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135402 in psi (universe) "Psi shows gpg photo ids on start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135402
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135397 in schroot (universe) "schroot crash at login for dapper" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135397
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135406 in ubuntu "[new-package]  library Exempi for xmp metadata" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135406
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135407 in ubuntu "Installation desktop/alternate Gutsy cd fails with "loading linux kernel"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135407
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135408 in ubuntu "Test bug for experimentation - please don't touch :)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135408
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135409 in bash (main) "package bash 3.2-0ubuntu9 failed to install/upgrade: erro de leitura em stdin no prompt do conffile" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135409
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135410 in kdepim (main) "kmail delete mail from server if "leave the last X mails on server" is enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135410
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135411 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus, Gnome I/O slave fails to connect ot windows share" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135411
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135412 in ubuntu "KDE with Compiz and nVidia crashes hard on session log-out on an p-to-date Gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135412
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135413 in audacious (universe) "Broken Equalizer Import" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135413
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135414 in audacious (universe) "Lack of Gnome-Keybinding Support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135414
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135415 in compiz (main) "Compiz Cube Sometimes Won't Work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135415
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135417 in wine (universe) "Unable to print with Wine on amd64 " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135417
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135416 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "BUG:  Unable to handle kernel paging virtual request at address 22fa813b" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135416
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #135418 in compiz (main) "black screen after resolution change with activated compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135418
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135419 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-client-core update from feisty to gutsy failed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135419
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135420 in gnome-power-manager (main) "brightness does not stay bright/dim" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135420
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135425 in acidbase (universe) "Attack names not shown on default install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135425
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135426 in openoffice.org-voikko (main) "Needs a rebuild" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135426
[03:39] <ubotu> New bug: #135427 in ubuntu "Unable to download anything" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135427
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135429 in ubuntu "udev calls my script for "add" but not for "remove"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135429
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135431 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv-database depends on update-notifier only" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135431
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135432 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "bcm43xx-fwcutter not extracting firmware with the Restricted Drivers Manager." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135432
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135433 in mythtv (multiverse) "MythTV install (upgrade) failed exit status 127" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135433
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135434 in firefox (main) "Flash full screen doesn't work in Firefox with Compiz Fusion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135434
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135437 in kvm (universe) "KVM crashed on load of Guty Tribe 5 Live CD on Intel 2.6.22" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135437
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135438 in firefox (main) "FF Crash with multiple tabs open" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135438
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135441 in ubuntu "random unfixable freezes in gutsy herd 5 (kernel panic?)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135441
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135442 in wpasupplicant (main) "[gutsy]  Unable to associate with already associated network on ipw3945 hardware" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135442
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135444 in gnome-games (main) "Solved sudoku doesn't give win?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135444
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135445 in kdepim (main) "[Gutsy]  Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135445
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135446 in kdepim (main) "[Gutsy]  Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135446
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135448 in gnome-panel (main) "Workspace switcher is too close to Trash applet" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135448
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135451 in enlightenment (universe) "X-session problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135451
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135452 in ubuntu "the program cheese should be included by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135452
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135453 in ubuntu "resumed from suspend screen doesn't allow to go back to suspension " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135453
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135455 in totem (main) "totem dumped in core" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135455
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135456 in kino (main) "kino stalls when opening" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135456
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135458 in ubuntu-meta (main) "X server crashes upon restart after "extra desktop effects" is enabled on Parallels 3.0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135458
[08:47] <elmargol> Hi I have a problem with a upstream project (miro) they say this is a problem of the ubuntu package of xine. Can someone help me to report this? http://bugzilla.pculture.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8623
[08:47] <ubotu> bugzilla.pculture.org bug 8623 in Library - New "Segmentation fault in xine's demux_qt.c" [Enhancement,Resolved: invalid]
[08:48] <elmargol> Don't know wich parts of the trace is relevant
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135460 in ubuntu "Booting with USB drive attached crashes RAID array" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135460
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135462 in kdebase (main) "package kdm 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu15 failed to install/upgrade: dpkg" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135462
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135464 in mlt (universe) "mlt has been compiled without ogg support." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135464
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135465 in am-utils (universe) "Please sync am-utils (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135465
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135467 in up-imapproxy (universe) "Please sync up-imapproxy (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135467
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135468 in ample (universe) "Please sync ample (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135468
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135469 in apcupsd (universe) "Please sync apcupsd (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135469
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135466 in atftp (universe) "Please sync atftp (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135466
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135470 in diald (universe) "Please sync diald (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135470
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135471 in evolution (main) "Addressbook crash when searching contacts by "any field contains"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135471
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #135472 in xine-lib "Segmentation fault in xine's demux_qt.c" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135472
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #135473 in hdparm (main) "[Feisty]  Cannot set 32bit mode and DMA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135473
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135474 in balsa (universe) "balsa needs 'clear find' button" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135474
[10:07] <ubotu> New bug: #135477 in ubuntu "network card not recognized all the times" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135477
[10:08] <ubotu> New bug: #135475 in jack-audio-connection-kit (universe) "JACK puts folder into user directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135475
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135483 in keximdb (universe) "package kexi-mdb-plugin None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kexi-mdb-plugin.list]  failed to install/upgrade:   /usr/lib/kde3/keximigrate_mdb.so,      kexi-mdb-driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135483
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135484 in ubuntu "Failed to execute child process "-x" (No such file or directory)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135484
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135485 in evolution (main) "Make Spam folder a normal folder" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135485
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135487 in vim (main) "bash completion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135487
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135490 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crash opening directory with a spefic tif" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135490
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135488 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Configuration differences for DBUS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135488
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135489 in system-config-printer (main) "Lexmark E120 and 120n printers not known" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135489
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135491 in eclipse (universe) "Eclipse crashes in gtk_tooltips_set_tip on gutsy tribe 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135491
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135492 in libitpp (universe) "Update to latest version in Ubuntu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135492
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135493 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar-applet crash when I try to make a search" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135493
[11:30] <rikai> bdmurray, thanks for looking into it. :)
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #130804 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[Ubuntu Tribe3]  Cannot install by LiveCD (weybridge)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130804
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135495 in totem (main) "Totem alters running system fonts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135495
[11:38] <coNP> Can anyone confirm if bug 71593 has been really fixed by some gnome-games upload?
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71593 in gnome-games "glChess has no 3D" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71593
[11:39] <seb128> coNP: it has not
[11:40] <coNP> I guess it is only a dependency issue.
[11:40] <coNP> It works for me
[11:40] <seb128> python-gtkglext1 is to universe
[11:40] <seb128> and I'm not sure we want to support it only to provide 3d chess
[11:40] <coNP> Okay. But is it still a valid bug?
[11:40] <coNP> Sure, it is. But you can fix it easily
[11:40] <seb128> yes
[11:41] <seb128> how?
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135496 in audacity (universe) "No stable version of Audacity available in Gutsy's repos." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135496
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135497 in debtags (main) "autopkgtest gutsy debtags: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135497
[11:41] <seb128> I can't test
[11:41] <seb128> glchess crashes on startup
[11:41] <seb128> we need to package gnome-games <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:41] <seb128> thanks ;)
[11:41] <coNP> And therefore I was looking for other bugs as well
[11:41] <coNP> Okay. It seems it only works for x86
[11:42] <coNP> Did you sponsor bluez-gnome?
[11:42] <seb128> yes
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135498 in ubuntu "[Gutsy]  Dell XPS M1330 webcam not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135498
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135499 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-vpn-properties lets you configure a VPN without Connection "Type" then hides the connection" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135499
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135500 in evolution (main) "timezone for Africa/Johannesburg is wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135500
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135501 in bluez-utils (main) "Chage home page link in description" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135501
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135502 in installation-guide (main) "Broken link to example preseed file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135502
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135503 in jack (universe) "Ardour cannot play audio file - JACK problem?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135503
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135504 in 4g8 (universe) "[FTBFS]  4g8_1.0-1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135504
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135509 in xkeyboard-config (main) "update xkb-data to include latest keyboard layouts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135509
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135511 in ksudoku (universe) "saving game only saves initial situation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135511
[12:37] <ubotu> New bug: #133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133817
[12:37] <ubotu> New bug: #135505 in ksudoku (universe) "Cancelling dialogs opens new main program window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135505
[12:37] <ubotu> New bug: #135508 in compiz (main) "gnome-compiz-preference must be launched 3 times to activate 3D destkop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135508
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135513 in ubuntu "php-cups and php-kadm not available for use in applicatins like GoSA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135513
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135512 in xorg (main) "exit from screensaver preview will crash X" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135512
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135515 in dict-af (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-af: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135515
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135514 in ksudoku (universe) "crashes when using "Give hint", "Solve", or "Check" functions while no game open" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135514
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135516 in dict-en-za (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-en-za: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135516
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135517 in totem (main) "cannot play a mms:// video" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135517
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135518 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany does not always update its browser-view, until i switch tabs, when running compiz-fusion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135518
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135519 in compiz (main) "autopkgtest gutsy compiz amd64: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135519
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135520 in dict-jargon (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-jargon: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135520
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135521 in strigiapplet (main) "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135521
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135522 in aewm++-goodies (universe) "[FTBFS]  aewm++-goodies because of missing libxext-dev build-dep" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135522
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135525 in dict-nr (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-nr: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135525
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135526 in dict-ns (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-ns: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135526
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135527 in dict-ss (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-ss: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135527
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135529 in dict-st (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-st: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135529
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135530 in dict-tn (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-tn: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135530
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135532 in dict-ts (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-ts: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135532
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135533 in dict-ve (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-ve: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135533
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135534 in dict-xh (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-xh: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135534
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135535 in dict-zu (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dict-zu: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135535
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135538 in ksudoku (universe) "opens some games with wrong difficulty level" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135538
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135539 in yelp (main) "the footpage overlaps the table of content" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135539
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #135540 in mgp (universe) "[Gutsy]  mgp new upstream version available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135540
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #135541 in evolution (main) "evolution filters seems don't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135541
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135544 in ubuntu "X-Server on Gutsy Tribe 5 and GeForce7050PV/nForce 630a not starting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135544
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135543 in cdebconf (main) "Pressing up key on installer menu should take you to bottom" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135543
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135545 in firestarter (universe) "Firestarter Memory Error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135545
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135546 in flwm (universe) "[FTBFS]  flwm because of missing libxext-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135546
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135548 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[Gutsy]  Action on critical battery isn't triggered - regression" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135548
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135549 in ubuntu "screen resolution / documents fails to change font size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135549
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135550 in ubuntu "[Gutsy] Default session language turns automatically back to english" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135550
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135551 in liferea (main) "liferea does not respect LC_TIME setting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135551
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135552 in kterm (universe) "[FTBFS]  kterm" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135552
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135554 in liferea (main) "liferea does not show "related" links" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135554
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135556 in eclipse-pydev (universe) "[Gutsy]  Package is outdated" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135556
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135558 in libforms1 (universe) "[FTBFS]  libforms1 because of missing libxext-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135558
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135559 in ubuntu "have no sound on X-Fi EA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135559
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135560 in ubuntu "Font inconsistency on change" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135560
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135562 in wengophone (universe) "[gutsy]  wengophone doesen't find the line" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135562
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #135563 in update-manager (main) "bogue du paquet  update-manager " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135563
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #135564 in dmake (main) "autopkgtest gutsy dmake: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135564
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135567 in nautilus (main) "(gutsy) Impossible to change partion labels" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135567
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135568 in wmanager (universe) "[FTBFS]  wmanager ftbfs because of missing libxext-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135568
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135569 in culmus (main) "autopkgtest gutsy culmus amd64: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135569
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135571 in wmbinclock (universe) "[FTBFS]  wmbinclock - missing libxext-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135571
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135572 in gedit (main) "gedit crashes when pasting some code" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135572
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135574 in ubuntu "installing kde-systemsettings in GNOME spams menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135574
[02:56] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm it works here just fine
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135580 in ubuntu "Kdenlive performance problem = X server problem?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135580
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135581 in autopkgtest (main) "autopkgtest should provide apt debug log" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135581
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135582 in firebird (universe) "[gutsy]  firdbird 2.0 don't create /var/run/firebird/2.0 entry as is not starting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135582
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135583 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "tv card has white noise sound because module order" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135583
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135584 in ubuntulooks (main) "default theme in Ubuntu is a huge mistake " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135584
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135586 in nfs-utils (main) "nfs client mount stales if accessed while nfs server is down/restarting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135586
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135587 in language-pack-cs (main) "Instalace Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon je patn peloena" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135587
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135588 in sobby (universe) "Upstream Version Freeze Exception: sobby 0.4.4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135588
[04:39] <bddebian> Boo
[04:40] <ogra> bee
[04:40] <bddebian> :-)
[04:41] <seb128> hi bddebian
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya seb128
[04:42] <Hobbsee> bddebian: greetings from the land of the aardvarks
[04:42] <bddebian> Heh, hi Hobbsee
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135589 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "6.7.192-1ubuntu1 3d completely screwed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135589
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135591 in kdebase (main) "update from kdm 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu15 to 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu16 crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135591
[04:52] <ubotu> New bug: #135590 in ubuntu "Please sync vala (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135590
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135593 in gnome-pilot (main) "gpilotd crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135593
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135595 in cmake (main) "Change /usr/share/cmake-2.4/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake to match kde4 packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135595
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135597 in audacity (universe) "segv on empty-named new directory in open file dialog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135597
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135598 in yakuake (universe) "When Desktop effects are turned on, Yakuake sticks to the workspace where it was started." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135598
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135599 in kdepim (main) "[gutsy]  kmail creates processes until out of memory" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135599
[05:40] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ping
[05:40] <bddebian> I didn't do it, I swear
[05:41] <Hobbsee> er, bdmurray
[05:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:41] <bddebian> :-)
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135600 in gnome-session (main) "Gnome stops responding; gnome-session restores" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135600
[05:53] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: pong
[05:54] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: what are your thoughts on adding various members of amarok upstream to -qa?
[05:56] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: That sounds like a sensible idea
[05:58] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: jefferai, and probably some others as well
[05:59] <cut> volk
[05:59] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: he'll do for the moment, he's the main triager
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135603 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Gnome power manager doesn't show battery information" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135603
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135604 in debconf (main) "Adept updater problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135604
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135605 in enigmail (main) "autopkgtest gutsy enigmail: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135605
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135606 in gramps (universe) "Gramps : core dumped" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135606
[06:32] <zasf> bdmurray: hello brian
[06:33] <bdmurray> zasf: hello
[06:34] <zasf> bdmurray: did you get my U-QA application?
[06:36] <bdmurray> zasf: Yes, I have it and a couple more to review
[06:37] <zasf> bdmurray: cool
[06:37] <zasf> bdmurray: I'll wait for you to review it then
[06:37] <zasf> bdmurray: or ping you back early next week if I don't hear from you
[06:37] <bdmurray> zasf: sounds good
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135607 in ubuntu "Printer not responding in ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135607
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135609 in totem (main) "It's hard to seek through fullscreen video" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135609
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135332 in tcp-wrappers (main) "TCP wrapper not working ?" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135332
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135612 in gparted (main) "GParted in gutsy tribe 5 crashed when creating an msdos disklabel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135612
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135613 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Framebuffer consoles no not work in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135613
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135615 in network-manager (main) "network-manager "drops IP"  "AP change"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135615
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135616 in ubuntulooks (main) "Gimp 2.3 crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135616
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135602 in ubiquity "Firstboot windows not localized after selecting lang other then English" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135602
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135617 in gnome-terminal (main) "terminal not resized when you close the penultimate tab" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135617
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135619 in ipython (universe) "ipython crashes on help modules (APT API not stable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135619
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135621 in nautilus (main) "focus on mouseover prevents renaming" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135621
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135622 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Closing thunderbird deletes a saved attachment that has been edited" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135622
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135624 in php5 (main) "should provide LAMP test page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135624
[08:17] <maiatoday> Im very very new, reading the web pages and looking at the overwhelming list of bugs I could try to reproduce, where do I start, please?
[08:19] <ubotu> New bug: #135626 in evolution (main) "[gutsy]  oversized Evolution window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135626
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135627 in k3b (main) "k3b fails to burn in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135627
[08:28] <bdmurray> maiatoday: Is there something in particular you are interested in?
[08:29] <maiatoday> I am running ubuntustudio with blender and some of the sound tools and graphics that come with the standard ubuntustudio
[08:30] <bdmurray> maiatoday: Then maybe starting by looking at blender bugs would be interesting
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135628 in eog (main) "eog ubuntu first open waiting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135628
[08:34] <bdmurray> maiatoday: here are all the blender bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blender/+bugs
[08:34] <bdmurray> From there looking for New or Incomplete ones is the way to go
[08:35] <maiatoday> okeydokey Ill have a look thanks
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #135629 in uim (universe) "UIM toolbar disappears after startup is completed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135629
[08:37] <bdmurray> maiatoday: If you have any more questions feel free to ping me
[08:37] <maiatoday> ty
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135630 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (main) "rt61pci freezes system while trying to connect" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135630
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135631 in ubuntu "Startup on Win 98" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135631
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135633 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "tg3 NIC not working on HP nc6320 laptop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135633
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135635 in cupsys (main) "package cupsys 1.2.12-3ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135635
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135636 in pptp-linux (main) "Ubuntu/Kubuntu VPN Failure to connect over PPTP on Gusty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135636
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135638 in hal (main) "Popup when umount usb disk drive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135638
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135640 in compiz (main) "activate a plugin via screen corner, get a free tooltip" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135640
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135641 in compiz (main) "[Gutsy]  desktop effects no window border" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135641
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135642 in thunderbird (main) "new mailbox create and try edit the settings - crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135642
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135644 in xzoom (universe) "doesn't work with compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135644
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135645 in evince (main) "evince crashes when viewing a multi-page tiff" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135645
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135646 in metacity (main) "metacity is a huge piece of shit" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135646
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135647 in ubuntu "Adobe Reader" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135647
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135648 in festival (main) "autopkgtest gutsy festival: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135648
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135650 in gimp (main) "GIMP crashes when trying to resize an image." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135650
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135651 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel crash USB Mass Storage Device plug in" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135651
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135652 in totem (main) "[gutsy]  Thumbnail continues to run "play" even if the cursor left the file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135652
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135653 in gaim (main) "reactivating of irc-account not possible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135653
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135654 in gaim (main) "reactivating of irc-account not possible after [/quit] " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135654
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135655 in kdebase (main) "khelpcenter htdig is not installed automatically" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135655
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135656 in ubiquity (main) "desktop installation impossible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135656
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135658 in ubuntu "synergy+glipper causes clipboard to stop working on WinXP client" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135658
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135643 in aptitude (main) "[gutsy]  aptitude crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135643
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135661 in kiwi (universe) "[Sync request]  Please sync kiwi (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135661
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135662 in cohoba (universe) "Cohoba development has stopped, project unmaintained" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135662
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135663 in freetype1 (main) "FTBFS: wrong build-dependency on libkpathsea4-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135663
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135664 in compiz (main) "compiz indirect-rendering locks gnome on logout or reset" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135664
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135665 in language-pack-cs (main) "gutsy amarok: broken translation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135665
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135667 in reprepro (universe) "please sync reprepro (2.2.4-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135667
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135668 in tracker (main) "Does not rexpect Preferences->Indexing *Do not index* settings." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135668
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135670 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "linux-image-2.6.22-10-generic suspend to ram (S3) issue (Samsung Q1 ultra)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135670
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135671 in wengophone (universe) "Candidate revision wengophone_2.1.1.dfsg0-4ubuntu1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135671
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135673 in pidgin (main) "Split libpurple, finch into seperate packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135673
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135674 in apparmor (main) "Desktop Applications Need "Help" Profiled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135674
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135680 in evince (main) "evince chokes on absolute paths that include a #" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135680
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135682 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[gutsy amd64]  fglrx driver doesn't load with linux-image-2.6.22-10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135682
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135683 in grub (main) "Grub : Savedefault => error 27 : unrecognized command" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135683
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135689 in gftp (main) "gFTP won't transfer a directory using SSH2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135689
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135688 in ubuntu "Installer: insufficient privileges to set the clock when clock not set." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135688


[18:21] <vandana> can anyone help me out for resolving wifi issues? searched internet and tried but no luck.. have rtl8723be card+ubuntu 16.04+latest linux kernel 4.9.2
[19:40] <pavlushka> oh ho, missed one :(
[19:42] <Kilos> yeah
[19:50] <pavlushka> vandana: hey :)
[19:51] <pavlushka> u-la-la: tell vandana that may be I can help her, may be :)
[19:51] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Righto, I'll tell vandana on freenode
[19:52] <pavlushka> vandana: hey :)
[19:52] <vandana> hi
[19:52] <u-la-la> vandana: By the way, pavlushka on freenode told me "tell vandana that may be I can help her, may be :)" 1 minute and 26 seconds ago
[19:53] <pavlushka> vandana: Ubuntu 16.04 uses 4.4. series kernel by default
[19:53] <vandana> i upgraded
[19:53] <pavlushka> vandana: yeah I can guess that but
[19:54] <pavlushka> vandana: for any purpose or just for testing?
[19:55] <vandana> read somewhere that wifi issue resolved for someone after upgrading kernerl because of new drivers
[19:57] <pavlushka> vandana: ok, can you please copy paste the result of "lspci -nnk" on paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link?
[19:57] <pavlushka> vandana: run that command on terminal
[19:59] <vandana> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23783257/
[20:02] <vandana> befor your reply i tried soultion from http://askubuntu.com/questions/717685/realtek-wifi-card-rtl8723be-not-working-properly/
[20:03] <vandana> and uptil yet wifi not disconnected otherwise it was disconnecting after some minutes
[20:06] <pavlushka> vandana: So what can we assume? lets wait and see if it malfunctions again, right?
[20:06] <vandana> yes
[20:07] <vandana> and thank you for replying
[20:08] <pavlushka> vandana: you are well come, and if you see u-la-la the bot, you can leave a message to it by "u-la-la: tell nick to / that I need her/him, or wash his hands before dinner"
[20:09] <pavlushka> *Welcome
[20:09] <pavlushka> lol, weird typo.
[20:10] <pavlushka> vandana: or you can leave a memo on memoserv by "/msg memoserv send nick message"
[20:11] <pavlushka> so that she or he can get you back.
[20:11] <vandana> ok
[20:12] <pavlushka> vandana: I may crush now, Night night :)


[06:28] <didrocks> mmrazik: not sure how it works, but maybe the publication to the public jenkins creates fake "jobs" to attach artefacts and so on
[06:29] <didrocks> (but that's really a supposition)
[06:29] <mmrazik> didrocks: the jobs are quite real... AFAICT everything is just copied to the same directory structure as on the real jenkins
[06:29] <didrocks> ok
[07:10] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you here?
[07:33] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hey
[07:33] <Saviq> paulliu, ping
[07:34] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: do you know anything about ListViewWithPageHeader.clipListView ? It is only used in Dash/DashVideos.qml and somehow annotate pointed me your way
[07:35] <paulliu> Saviq: hi
[07:35] <Saviq> paulliu, can you please fast-track https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/8.i18n-updates/+merge/168242 :)
[07:35] <Saviq> paulliu, should be a quick review
[07:35] <paulliu> Saviq: yes..
[07:36] <paulliu> Saviq: wait for a second.
[07:37] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: let me check, one moment
[07:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ok... so why exactly there is this clipping - I don't know. Maybe it improves performance a bit? The reason I used (disabled) it in DasVideo is because when the preview opens, the OpenEffect scrolls the view a bit upwards and with clipping there would be an empty space at the bottom
[07:41] <tsdgeos> i did remove that line and couldn't see any difference
[07:41] <tsdgeos> let me try again
[07:41] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: is this on "phone" mode or "tablet" mode?
[07:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, AFAIR it's clipping of the internal ListView, right? otherwise there can be a case when its content is behind the PageHeader
[07:43] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: shouldn't matter I think... However, it differs a bit on where you expand the the preview. try the elements on top/bottom. Also, it might have become useless with the integration of the carousel (as that one changes the expanding position in comparison to the grid)
[07:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos we need to be able to pull stuff "up" from the bottom
[07:44] <tsdgeos> garg, unity-lens-mock crashing all the time, can't get the videos lens on the desktop anymore :-/
[07:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you upgraded to smart scopes?
[07:44] <tsdgeos> maybe
[07:44] <tsdgeos> i distugraded
[07:44] <tsdgeos> so if it was there
[07:44] <tsdgeos> yes
[07:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yup
[07:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos [...] since when you tap on some content that is only a bit on screen, it's pulled up
[07:46] <tsdgeos> ok, give me a few mins until the phone is flashed and i can try to see the differences
[07:46] <tsdgeos> i'll be back :D
[07:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos and the clipping (and disabling of it) is there exactly for that reason
[07:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and it's only used in People and Videos, because we don't have previews anywhere else
[07:52] <Saviq> paulliu, thanks
[08:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, ping
[08:10] <mzanetti> Saviq: pong
[08:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, hey, I just thought of one thing - will the API you proposed for the launcher (sorry, didn't make it yet to review)
[08:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, support the 'app is being installed' case?
[08:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, when the icon shows up on the launcher with the progress bar showing installation progress?
[08:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, I mean, it doesn't have to be built in already, just that we have it in mind
[08:11] <mzanetti> Saviq: well, there is a progress thing (which afaik is not only used while installing)
[08:11] <Saviq> +1
[08:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: but there is no specific is-being-installed flag
[08:12] <mzanetti> Saviq: I guess that could be easily extended through a model role tho
[08:12] <Saviq> mzanetti, I don't think it's needed, actually, but please have a look what's needed (like the item gets highlighted after installation)
[08:13] <Saviq> and what's there in quicklists in that case
[08:13] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok
[08:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you ran my lvwph branch on the phone, right?
[08:18] <tsdgeos> somehow it's segfaulting for me :-/
[08:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, it failed to build
[08:18] <tsdgeos> ah
[08:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the qreal vs. double thing
[08:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can try again
[08:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok, i fixed that
[08:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: btw... was hiking on Fri and suddendly I felt some cozy warm feeling in my pocked. Pulled out the phone and it was quite warm. Ran the terminal app and top and - Damn! its qml-phone-shell!
[08:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's most probably related to wifi
[08:19] <Saviq> mzanetti, or the lack of it
[08:20] <mzanetti> Saviq: so its already known?
[08:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes, unfortunately
[08:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, bug #1183065
[08:21] <mzanetti> Saviq: cheers
[08:26] <mardy> didrocks: my unity-panel-service is crashing continuosly, is that a known bug?
[08:27] <mardy> didrocks: maybe I've still some packages from the unity-next PPA (which I disabled a few days ago)?
[08:27] <didrocks> mardy: not really, do you have indicator-network by any chance?
[08:28] <mardy> didrocks: ahh!! Yes, that's from the unity-next PPA; I'll downgrade it
[08:28] <didrocks> mardy: remove it :)
[08:28] <mardy> didrocks: ah, OK
[08:28] <didrocks> mardy: see my email on ubuntu-devel (from Thursday?)
[08:28] <mardy> didrocks: BTW, is there a way to list all packages installed from a certain PPA?
[08:29] <didrocks> mardy: not that I know of. At this point, you should be able to purge the next PPA though
[08:29] <didrocks> mardy: ppa-purge does that
[08:29] <didrocks> mardy: it does it by listing all packages with version after apt-get update
[08:29] <didrocks> then remove the ppa
[08:29] <didrocks> apt-get update
[08:30] <didrocks> and making the diff :p
[08:34] <didrocks> pstolowski: hey! seems alt + f2 is broken (again), mind fixing it? :)
[08:35] <pstolowski> didrocks: hey! dammit, i'm sure it worked last time I tried... what exactly broke?
[08:35] <didrocks> Saviq: do you think you and kgunn will be available for a hangout later today (once kgunn is awake) for speaking about Mir and Unity 8 in saucy?
[08:35] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[08:35] <didrocks> tvoss: me first!
[08:35] <Saviq> didrocks, kgunn's on vacation
[08:35] <didrocks> :)
[08:35] <Saviq> didrocks, until next week
[08:36] <didrocks> Saviq: ah, so just the 2 of us? :p
[08:36] <Saviq> didrocks, sure
[08:36] <Saviq> tvoss, ping-pong
[08:36] <tvoss> didrocks, :)
[08:36] <didrocks> Saviq: tell me when you have time, I've a flexible agenda today :)
[08:37] <pstolowski> didrocks: upgrading to see..
[08:37] <didrocks> pstolowski: it seems to not work only at the first alt+F2
[08:37] <didrocks> pstolowski: then, it's fine here
[08:38] <didrocks> but the preview doesn't have any button
[08:38] <didrocks> to launch them
[08:38] <didrocks> I'm surprised seb128 stopped using alt+f2 btw :p
[08:38] <seb128> didrocks, it works for me
[08:38] <didrocks> seb128: even the preview?
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1188705 you mean ?
[08:39] <didrocks> seb128: right
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for confirming my bug report ;-)
[08:39] <didrocks> seb128: not sure I'll confirm, just to annoy you :p
[08:39] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for opening it!
[08:39] <seb128> roooh
[08:39] <didrocks> pstolowski: ^
[08:39] <seb128> yw ;-)
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks, so for the record, I didn't stop using it :p
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: I can see that! :)
[08:40] <pstolowski> didrocks, seb128: right. I suspect this applies to 12.10 and 13.04 as well, let me check
[08:40] <didrocks> pstolowski: well, 12.10 is less impacted as the preview isn't the default on single click
[08:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: is this what we want now? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity/phablet-narrowMode/+merge/167552
[08:40] <seb128> pstolowski, well, left click was "run" in those version
[08:40] <didrocks> but yeah, should impact there as well
[08:41] <pstolowski> seb128: sure. now double-click is run ;)
[08:41] <seb128> btw is there any shortcut to run instead of opening the preview?
[08:41] <seb128> oh, double click
[08:41] <seb128> I tried middle and right click
[08:41] <didrocks> (pstolowski: you won an assignement)
[08:41] <didrocks> a lot of people don't realize about the double-click
[08:41] <didrocks> see the french forum :p
[08:41] <seb128> it could be nice to add middle click
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: +1
[08:42] <pstolowski> didrocks: I know, I know. I've read on omg or somewhere else it's considered a bug
[08:43]  * sil2100 hates the double-click to run
[08:43] <pstolowski> I'll let design team handle these discussions ;)
[08:43] <sil2100> I'm a hater, I know
[08:43] <didrocks> pstolowski: sure, I just think we should have alt + F2 be coherent at least :)
[08:43] <didrocks> sil2100: you really are! :)
[08:43] <pstolowski> didrocks: no disagreement on this :)
[08:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: did you get to repro the crash on the phone?
[08:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, didn't get to it yet
[08:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, will be there in 5
[08:44] <tsdgeos> oki
[08:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok, found the problem
[08:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah good
[08:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: run_on_device rsync is not removing the old ListViewWithPageHeader.qml and confusing the hell of everything
[08:48] <tsdgeos> now i just need to found why everything is empty! :S
[08:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, we should add --delete
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, dunno, do we? :)
[08:51] <mzanetti> ?
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, narrowMode
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's you who proposed that, I'm good either way
[08:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: --delete doesn't seem the best thing, need to compile everything again :D
[08:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, --exclude builddir
[08:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ↑
[08:52] <Saviq> -mzanetti
[08:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, seems to work fine here
[08:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: actually I proposed something different. I proposed to fix the issue properly but neither design nor Michael seem to want to address this issue right now so he came up with this workaround. Hence the question if you're fine with that
[08:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the swiping velocity is limited, right?
[08:58] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[08:58] <tsdgeos> shouldn't
[08:58] <tsdgeos> brrr
[08:58] <tsdgeos> go to the music one
[08:58] <tsdgeos> it'll break crazy :-/
[08:59] <mzanetti> Saviq: anyways... I'll approve it for now
[08:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, works fine...
[08:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, if it solves a problem, do
[09:00] <tsdgeos> Saviq: scroll to the end, then drag a lot to the top and release
[09:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not seeing anything wrong
[09:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and if you want to see why the clipListView - go to videos, drag so that Les Miserables is barely visible, and tap on them
[09:02] <tsdgeos> it jumps to the previous "category" here
[09:02] <tsdgeos> wonder why you don't see it
[09:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah yeah, just got the jump
[09:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it also seems to stick to the top when I show the carousel just a bit
[09:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: meaning you can't scroll down? i think that has to do with the jump and the list getting confused at how height it is
[09:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I can, it just jumps to the top
[09:07] <tsdgeos> i see
[09:07] <tsdgeos> well, let me fix the one i can repro first
[09:07] <tsdgeos> and then fix yours :D
[09:07] <Saviq> :)
[09:10] <tsdgeos> and yes
[09:10] <tsdgeos> somehow the speed seems "weird"
[09:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-flickable.html#maximumFlickVelocity-prop
[09:12] <tsdgeos> Saviq: sure, but we weren't setting before nor now
[09:12] <tsdgeos> so should not have changed
[09:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I believe we were
[09:12] <Saviq> /are
[09:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, LVWPH.qml:56
[09:12] <Saviq> 156
[09:14] <tsdgeos> oh
[09:14] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:34] <didrocks> Mirv: hum, so, did you look at the platform stack? is it good for me to look at the packaging change?
[09:44] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok, i fixed the jumpiness at the bottom, can you tell me how to reproduce the problem you mentioned with the carousel?
[09:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, drag all the way down, drag back up so that just a bit of the carousel is visible, release
[09:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, for me it made it jump to the top
[09:47] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you try with the new fix, maybe it also makes a difference?
[09:47] <tsdgeos> can't repro
[09:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, will do
[09:47] <seb128> MacSlow, hey
[09:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, dude, you broke git-bzr-ng with the ++ in your branch name ;)
[09:48] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:48] <greyback> hah!
[09:48] <tsdgeos> could be worse
[09:48] <tsdgeos> yesterday there was a cve on subversion on repos being destroyed because of newlines in the filenames :D
[09:52] <Saviq> nice
[09:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, can't reproduce
[09:59] <tsdgeos> cool :-)
[09:59] <MacSlow> seb128, hey seb
[09:59] <seb128> MacSlow, hey, how are you?
[09:59] <MacSlow> seb128, busy as usual :)
[10:00] <seb128> MacSlow, quick notify-osd question, can Bubble objects have a refcount > 1 ?
[10:00] <MacSlow> seb128, they should not iirc
[10:01] <seb128> MacSlow, stack_allocate_slot() has a
[10:01] <seb128> 	if (stack_is_slot_vacant (self, slot))
[10:01] <seb128> 		self->slots[slot] = BUBBLE (g_object_ref ((gpointer) bubble));
[10:01] <seb128> so I was wondering
[10:02] <MacSlow> seb128, oh... that slot-allocation stuff...
[10:02] <Mirv> didrocks: hmm, I reviewed sil2100's packaging, but I understood he'd be doing the configuration changes if you now mean adding the new packages to the stack?
[10:03] <didrocks> Mirv: no, I mean about the platform stack :)
[10:03] <Mirv> the platform stack itself was fine, pending on the QA stack only, although now I can't seem to be able to connect to jenins
[10:03] <didrocks> Mirv: hum, I can connect here
[10:04] <didrocks> Mirv: I'm seeing a packaging change due to powerd new package
[10:06] <seb128> MacSlow, that code seems complex... I was just trying the segfault which is happening for quite some users since saucy, the issue is that IS_OBJECT on an unrefed object segfaults ... and stack_layout() unref an object without setting the pointer to NULL
[10:06] <Mirv> didrocks: ok, I can't for some reason or another. but you asked if it's good for you to look at, yes feel free to look at :) but if something needs to be done to powerd, just tell me what
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there's some slight hiccups when the delegates are created, otherwise it's working great
[10:07] <didrocks> Mirv: no, it seems good to me, the packaging change as well. If you can't access to it, mind if I publish for you?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah i noticed that too :-/
[10:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: wonder where it's coming from since i'm supposed to be generating them async
[10:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not sure we'll be able to do anything
[10:08] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it might be IO, even
[10:08] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, please, and thanks!
[10:08] <didrocks> Mirv: doing :)
[10:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'm going to work on getting the section headers up and running first
[10:08] <sil2100> Mirv, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/python-upa/packaging_review/+merge/168393
[10:09] <tsdgeos> and then we can have a look at that
[10:09] <sil2100> Mirv, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/autopilot/get_manual_version_to_trunk/+merge/168385
[10:09] <sil2100> Reviews please!
[10:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, of course
[10:09]  * didrocks lets Mirv doing that, I'll rereview when newing python-upa :)
[10:09] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, will do
[10:09] <didrocks> sil2100: though, don't downgrade the dep on the second on
[10:10] <didrocks> sil2100: just backport the changelod I guess to unblock the stack
[10:10] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, so I'll revert your switch then
[10:10] <sil2100> Leaving the changelog entry intact
[10:10] <didrocks> right :)
[10:10] <didrocks> it's just a nasty workaround to not have autopilot stuck in -proposed
[10:11] <Saviq> tsdgeos, btw, merge with trunk, there's a conflict
[10:12] <sil2100> didrocks, Mirv: updated
[10:13] <didrocks> thx
[10:14] <MacSlow> seb128, I'd need to dig myself in there again to remember all of it...
[10:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: done
[10:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, cheers
[10:15] <tsdgeos> need to restart the session, everything is borked, can't even alt+f4
[10:15] <seb128> MacSlow, hum, k
[10:24] <seb128> MacSlow, Trevinho: I've added details to https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/1189281 ... is there a chance any of you could look at it? the issue is "simply" that we need to set bubble = NULL after the g_object_unref when the refcount reachs 0 ... not sure how to do the "if ref reachs 0" though, would be easier if bubbles were not refcounted over 1...
[10:25] <MacSlow> seb128, one can't easily query the ref-count...
[10:25] <seb128> MacSlow, right, which is why I'm dropping the ball, I don't understand the notify-osd memory handling well enough and I don't want to spend a day on it
[10:37] <Saviq> paulliu, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/phablet.raring.i18n-updates/+merge/168397 please :)
[10:40] <greyback> Top-edge swipe on lock-screen is supposed to be able to open the indicator menus, right?
[10:40] <paulliu> Saviq: ok..wait
[10:40] <Saviq> greyback, yes
[10:40] <greyback> Saviq: ok
[11:57] <Cimi> who can test my branch with alltests not running unity?
[11:58] <Cimi> this thing keeps crashing in saucy
[12:03] <sil2100> didrocks: the 2 HUD failures that we have are regressions, but I think we're being hit by that since a longer time
[12:04] <mzanetti> greyback: ping
[12:04] <greyback> mzanetti: pong
[12:04] <mzanetti> greyback: I'm testing your branch
[12:04] <mzanetti> greyback: have a weird issue
[12:05] <greyback> mzanetti: go on
[12:05] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, so pinging ted once he's around?
[12:05] <mzanetti> greyback: open the phone-app, then open the notes-app. Edit a note.
[12:05] <mzanetti> greyback: finish editing a note (OSK hides again)
[12:05] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, I'm looking for the bug for that one, as I think I filled one before
[12:05] <mzanetti> greyback: now swipe from the right
[12:05] <Cimi> seb128, I still have bug 1181717
[12:05] <greyback> mzanetti: ok gimme a minute to set up phone
[12:05] <Cimi> in saucy
[12:06] <seb128> Cimi, talk to Trevinho
[12:06] <didrocks> sil2100: thanks!
[12:07] <Cimi> andyrock, hey andrea
[12:07] <Cimi> I still have bug 1181717
[12:07] <andyrock> do you have the bt?
[12:07] <andyrock> can be a different crash
[12:08] <Cimi> 7.0.0daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[12:08] <Cimi> I will try to give you a bt
[12:08] <andyrock> Cimi, thx
[12:09] <Trevinho> Cimi, seb128: really? are you on trunk?
[12:09] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm not having the issue, don't look at me ;-)
[12:09] <Trevinho> seb128: hehe, ok
[12:09] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock: is there any chance one of you could look at the notify-osd unref issue I pointed earlier?
[12:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, reviewed launcher API
[12:10] <Trevinho> seb128: I've prepared again the MR for gdbus https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/libbamf-gdbus-round2
[12:10] <andyrock> seb128, maybe i was offline
[12:10] <seb128> Trevinho, great
[12:10] <seb128> andyrock,
[12:10] <mzanetti> Saviq: thanks...
[12:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you drop ~mzanetti/unity-api/launcher or at least mark it abandoned?
[12:10] <andyrock> seb128, can you post the link again?
[12:10] <Trevinho> seb128: I've reverted the change that caused the crash as well, do I need distro ok or upstream?
[12:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, since we've moved it to ~unity-team
[12:10] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok
[12:10] <seb128> Trevinho, upstream is fine
[12:10] <Cimi> andyrock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5751417/
[12:10] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[12:11] <Cimi> Trevinho, ^
[12:11] <Cimi> 7.0.0daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[12:11] <Trevinho> Cimi: on trunk?
[12:11] <Cimi> 7.0.0daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[12:13] <Cimi> it happens running make alltests in my project
[12:13] <Cimi> like, everytime
[12:14] <andyrock> Cimi, I can give a look but it can takes a couple of hours/days/weeks  ;)
[12:14] <Trevinho> mhr3: is really that expensive to use g_object_add_weak_pointer? Not that is a solution, at all... But looking at gobject code it doesn't look so much...
[12:15] <Saviq> dednick, is it right we cut the diff from over 6k down to 4k for the indicators?
[12:15]  * Cimi installs KDE
[12:15]  * Trevinho slaps Cimi
[12:16] <Cimi> Trevinho, it's weeks I'm losing time because unity and bamf crash, I have work to do
[12:16] <dednick> Saviq: ? as far as i see, it's 8k
[12:16] <Trevinho> Cimi: indeed, but it's quite weird,...
[12:17] <Saviq> dednick, right
[12:17] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock: the notify-osd issue is bug #1189281, I did a summary of the problem on the bug, it's basically a variable that is g_object_unref() then code which does IS_OBJECT() on it, which segfaults with the new glib ... not sure we can set it to NULL after unref though since the ref count seem to go > 1 so it only needs to be = NULL if it goes to 0
[12:17] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, I read that...
[12:17] <Cimi> Trevinho, if you want to reproduce it, pick up  lp:~cimi/indicators-client/system-components
[12:17] <Cimi> Trevinho, mkdir build
[12:17] <Cimi> cmake ..
[12:17] <Trevinho> Cimi: ok, thanks.. .I was about to ask that
[12:17] <Cimi> make alltests
[12:17] <Cimi> after a couple of tests it segfaults
[12:18] <Cimi> (couple can be 6-7)
[12:18] <Cimi> it's a race, we know it, so it's not like 100% happening
[12:18] <Cimi> here happens 100% of the time though, but randomly
[12:18] <Saviq> dednick, ah, from 9k lines - still, almost 10% down is good :)
[12:19] <Saviq> dednick, /me tries to review
[12:19] <dednick> Saviq: have fun :) I added some comments for a bit of help
[12:19] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, saw that
[12:21] <andyrock> Trevinho, maybe this time the problem is in PanelMenuView...
[12:21] <Trevinho> andyrock: mhmh... it could be, but I think it's managing things correctly...
[12:21] <Trevinho> andyrock: that code should be ported to BamfApplicationManager though
[12:21] <andyrock> Trevinho, can you check better? :D
[12:22] <Trevinho> k
[12:22] <andyrock> Trevinho, I'll give a look too
[12:23] <greyback> Anyone else suspect ninja is causing a slower build on the device?
[12:29] <Saviq> greyback, there was a missing -j$NUM_JOBS in build
[12:29] <greyback> mzanetti: what is the bug? I don't see anything wrong
[12:29] <Saviq> greyback, but should be fine now
[12:29] <greyback> Saviq: ok, will pull
[12:29] <mzanetti> greyback: it just switches between notes-app and notes-app
[12:29] <mzanetti> greyback: the phone-app gets lost in the app stack somehow
[12:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, notes-app is special
[12:30] <greyback> mzanetti: not reproing here :(
[12:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think it does something weird
[12:30] <mzanetti> hmm... ok... can't reproduce this with todays stock image here
[12:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, it shows up twice in running apps, for example
[12:30] <greyback> mzanetti: this on phone or desktop>
[12:30] <mzanetti> greyback: phone
[12:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, it feels like Notes opens two surfaces initially, this might make the wm confused
[12:31] <greyback> mzanetti: I'll try a clean reflash and install my build and check it out.
[12:31] <paulliu> Saviq: build failed on jenkins https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity/phablet.raring.i18n-updates/+merge/168397
[12:32] <Saviq> paulliu, yes, the job shouldn't eve run
[12:32] <Saviq> even run
[12:32] <Saviq> paulliu, that branch is in manual merge mode now
[12:32] <paulliu> Saviq: ok.
[12:32] <Saviq> paulliu, I'll take care of that when sergiusens comes online
[12:32] <paulliu> Saviq: ok.
[12:34] <andyrock> Cimi, i get a qt5 error running cmake
[12:34] <andyrock> Cimi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5751489/
[12:38] <greyback> andyrock: you're probably missing "qtdeclarative5-dev"
[12:40] <greyback> andyrock: if you're building unity8, use first the "build" and then the "run" script
[12:40] <andyrock> greyback, ok thank but I'm not building unity8
[12:40] <greyback> andyrock: ah ok
[12:46] <dandrader> my desktop is completely broken after upgrading to saucy (typing from my laptop). even the greeter if f**d up
[12:46] <dandrader> s/if/is
[12:47] <dandrader> what's the easiest way to get some kind of working desktop?
[12:48] <paulliu> dandrader: install another desktop environment. And switch to it when login?
[12:49] <Saviq> dandrader, greeter?
[12:49] <Saviq> dandrader, mine is mostly usable
[12:50] <dandrader> my greeter is missing icons, etc. but yeah, I could say "mostly usable"
[12:50] <dandrader> as I can log in from it
[12:51] <dandrader> I was going for a saucy chroot but g_settings_new was crashing when running unity8 inside it
[12:51] <dandrader> So I just gave up and upgraded
[13:02] <mhr3> Trevinho, it is expensive because each gobject wrapper instance will be calling both add_weak_ref and remove_weak_ref
[13:21] <mterry> Saviq, thanks for porting my narrowMode branch to unity/8.0
[13:21] <Saviq> mterry, :P
[13:22] <Saviq> mterry, you owe me a beer for that!
[13:22] <Saviq> the diff was so big
[13:22] <mterry> I'll buy you a tiny beer
[13:22] <mterry> Little thimblefull
[13:23] <Saviq> ;D
[13:24] <nic-doffay> Saviq, what's the best way to check from another Qml file if a transition is being performed?
[13:24] <nic-doffay> Not just on startup...
[13:25] <Saviq> nic-doffay, just bind to it
[13:25] <Saviq> nic-doffay, or, slightly better
[13:25] <Saviq> nic-doffay, property alias rotating: helper.rotating in Shell.qml
[13:25] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and then shell.rotating
[13:29] <nic-doffay> ok Saviq how do I perform a state change on a variable change then?
[13:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, either use states: [ State { when: shell.rotating }, State { when: !shell.rotating } ]
[13:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, or state: shell.rotating ? "rotating" : "static"; states: [ State { name: "rotating" }, State { name: "static" } ]
[13:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, note, it's pseudo-code, again
[13:30] <nic-doffay> Saviq,  cool, the first seems more plausible.
[13:31] <Saviq> nic-doffay, make sure to read through http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-statesanimations-animations.html
[13:33] <tsdgeos> Saviq: greyback:n ic-doffay
[13:33] <tsdgeos> standup?
[13:33] <greyback> tsdgeos: in other meeting, have to miss it
[13:33] <nic-doffay> tsdgeos, launching mumble now
[13:34] <greyback> mzanetti: yep reproduced, will fix
[13:34] <mzanetti> greyback: \o/
[13:34] <mzanetti> greyback: standup first
[13:34] <mzanetti> oh.. soryy
[13:37] <Saviq> aaargh why don't I get pings about the standup anymore
[13:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i did ping you :D
[13:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I meant from the calendar ;)
[13:43] <jibel> I cannot finish any autopilot run of unity testsuite on saucy desktop, dbus systematically hangs at some point, I filed bug 1189475
[13:43] <jibel> didrocks, ^
[13:45] <sil2100> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/fix_indicators/+merge/168450
[13:45]  * Saviq tries a btrfs snapshot to upgrade unity :F
[13:46] <didrocks> mhr3: I think this is the dbs hang we are fighting ^
[13:46] <didrocks> sil2100: I wonder how that passed on Friday, any idea?
[13:47] <mhr3> didrocks, didn't you say it was caused by hud eating all memory?
[13:47] <didrocks> mhr3: we thought it was the cause, but apparently this one was saucy only
[13:47] <didrocks> mhr3: mind having a look with jibel?
[13:48] <mhr3> just a sec about to jump on a hangout
[13:48] <didrocks> don't fall :)
[13:55] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, not sure now, since currently when having appmenu-gtk listed in the packages lists, it actually wants to take and install unity-gtk2-module's dependencies (i.e. libunity-gtk2-parser0) instead, as unity-gtk2-module provides appmenu-gtk
[13:56] <sil2100> didrocks: maybe last week appmenu-gtk had something to release?
[13:56] <sil2100> Anyway, I'm pretty sure we don't need appmenu-gtk in the package list anymore
[13:57] <sil2100> It's only confusing things, having u-g-m for gtk3 and appmenu-gtk for gtk2, duh
[13:57] <didrocks> sil2100: not sure, anyway, yeah :)
[13:58] <didrocks> sil2100: mind redeploying with it once merged?
[13:58] <sil2100> didrocks: sure - since there are no new packages, no archive-admin ping is required, right?
[14:00] <didrocks> sil2100: indeed :)
[14:01] <mterry> kdub, hello!  Did you ever look at my libhybris patch for the nexus7 shm issue?  (upstream pull 49 I believe)
[14:10] <nic-doffay> Saviq, the dash and panel aren't being turned invisible, mind taking a look at my shell code and recommending a method to trace the values? https://pastebin.canonical.com/92442/
[14:11] <nic-doffay> Saviq, in particular around line 180.
[14:17] <Saviq> nic-doffay, did you check that there are no states defined in Dash.qml already?
[14:21] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yeah I did, there are none.
[14:21] <Doug_> hello
[14:23] <Saviq> mzanetti, see README for < > vs. " " for includes
[14:24] <mzanetti> Saviq: doesn't matter if its in the readme or not... and there is no point in discussing over every single point. I hope my message is clear... there is a point where "guidelines" are not helping any more
[14:25] <mzanetti> and I think we're over that point in that repo
[14:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, WTYM "there's no point discussing over every single point"?
[14:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, isn't that why you wrote it?
[14:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, shall we just ignore it?
[14:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: no... not really
[14:26] <mzanetti> Saviq: I mean... there are pros and cons for every point... what I mean is, that its too much if you sum all that up
[14:26] <mzanetti> I do see pro's for each of that guideline too, but all of those guidelines combined make it a pain
[14:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, thing is it's not set in stone
[14:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, and I agree with some of your points
[14:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, and if we want to do something about it, now's the f*** time, as O-Ren Ishii would put it
[14:28] <mzanetti> Saviq: so yes. If you want to discuss every point with me, I'm happy to give my opinion. But if you both agree you want to have it that way, there's no point in trying to convince me over each guideline... thats what I meant with "there's no point discussing over every single point"
[14:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, sure, but there's some there that we haven't agreed upon or discussed, even, since the problem scope is slightly different
[14:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, and you've touched some of those
[14:30] <mzanetti> Saviq: yep, that's also one thing I think that led to this. there are some guidelines that were defined for a single project and now pushed to all other projects, wheter it makes sense for that target project or not
[14:31] <MacSlow> Saviq, which external plugin, could act as an example for the needed cmake/install-pieces
[14:32] <Saviq> MacSlow, the UI toolkit, for one
[14:32] <Saviq> MacSlow, or dee-qt
[14:32] <MacSlow> Saviq, ah ok thx
[14:33] <Saviq> MacSlow, but what's there in unity-api is 90% of what you need
[14:33] <Saviq> MacSlow, the only missing thing is the installation part, which you can take from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/dee-qt/trunk/view/head:/modules/Dee/CMakeLists.txt
[14:34] <MacSlow> ok
[14:37] <mzanetti> Saviq: so please let me know if you would like to have my opinion on some specific guidelines.
[14:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes, I will reply to your comment
[14:38] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok. I'll do some review in the meantime
[14:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, but those that are there in README or in lp:canonical....guidelines I'm not in the power of discussing
[14:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: sure
[14:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, other than saying "we're going for Qt style for Qt code"
[14:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, where it doesn't conflict
[14:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, and then there's a slew of QML guidelines to be made
[14:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, for this and other projects
[14:40] <didrocks> fginther: hey, small question: is https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-copyright/+merge/168429 building? (I see not CI message either)
[14:40] <Saviq> mzanetti, the lack of which is far worse than having them controversial
[14:40] <mzanetti> yeah... but keep in mind... guidelines are only useful as long as they help you. once they start restricting you they're actually contraproductive
[14:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's a balance to be made, for sure
[14:41] <mzanetti> ^^ those are the words I should have been using directly from the beginning :D
[14:41] <mzanetti> the balance thing
[14:43] <fginther> didrocks, looking
[14:45] <nic-doffay> Saviq, it appears that the state isn't changed when the rotating variable changes.
[14:45] <fginther> didrocks, yes, it is building. There has been a spike in MPs that are causing the -app projects to back up a bit
[14:45] <mzanetti> Saviq: how do you clone the repo using git? do you use a local git-bzr bridge or does launchpad have some unofficial git api?
[14:45] <didrocks> fginther: perfect, thanks!
[14:48] <Cimi> Saviq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-settings-components
[14:48] <Cimi> ok tests are no longer failing for races now...
[14:49] <Saviq> Cimi, did we need a new team for this? ;)
[14:49] <Saviq> Cimi, maintainer should be ~pspmteam
[14:55] <Saviq> Cimi, and why LGPL license? GPL should be just fine?
[14:55] <Saviq> pstolowski, it's alive :)
[14:56] <Saviq> pstolowski, just managed to get to it and build everything - it's looking good
[14:57] <pstolowski> Saviq: awesome :). shall I read through backlog, or it's all I need to know?
[14:57] <pstolowski> Saviq: coolio
[14:57] <Saviq> pstolowski, for now that's all
[14:57] <Saviq> pstolowski, but bear in mind we should not regress, so we'll probably need the mock home and apps scopes before we can merge this
[14:58] <pstolowski> Saviq: can we meet in 1-2 days (mhr3 would attend as well) to discuss the API and what's missing
[14:58] <Saviq> pstolowski, sure, I'm going for a review of your branch now
[14:59] <Saviq> pstolowski, also, I'm wondering if we should have separate dconf keys for desktop and touch scopes lists, at least
[14:59]  * greyback bbiab
[15:00] <mhr3> Saviq, the question of what should be separate for phone and desktop is exploding these days
[15:01] <Saviq> mhr3, I know
[15:01] <pstolowski> Saviq: when it comes to apps, I believe all we need is to land James' app branch; btw, did he ping you today?
[15:01] <Saviq> pstolowski, nope
[15:03] <Saviq> pstolowski, thing is, we don't have zeitgeist nor software center on the phone (yet) - or have them modified to e.g. filter for touch-apps
[15:03] <pstolowski> Saviq: about home - hmm, shouldn't we switch to the real home scope instead and start from there, rather than investing time in mocking home?
[15:03] <Saviq> pstolowski, sure, for Home we should be able to just use data from the other scopes
[15:03] <Saviq> pstolowski, so, apps
[15:04] <Saviq> nic-doffay, sorry about the delay - for the states - make sure name: is defined on all of the states
[15:05] <Saviq> nic-doffay, they probably don't work without a name:
[15:05] <nic-doffay> Saviq, the one is.
[15:05] <nic-doffay> Both have names too.
[15:06] <Cimi> Saviq, new team so I can add unity and ubuntu ui guys?
[15:07] <Saviq> Cimi, well, yeah, ok, it just feels slightly overkill to have a separate team there
[15:08] <Cimi> Saviq, what do I do then? unity team?
[15:09] <Saviq> Cimi, no, it's good, after all teams are also there so that LP spam goes to the right people
[15:09] <Cimi> ok
[15:10] <Saviq> nic-doffay, Component.onCompleted: helper.state = "rotating" what's that?
[15:10] <Cimi> Saviq, on the question for the license
[15:10] <Cimi> Saviq, I used what ubuntu-ui-toolkit is using
[15:10] <Saviq> Cimi, interesting
[15:10] <nic-doffay> Saviq, trying to trigger a state change onCompleted for testing.
[15:10] <Saviq> nic-doffay, but the helper doesn't have a state
[15:10] <Saviq> nic-doffay, or at least not such
[15:11] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you probably want to set your own state
[15:11] <Saviq> nic-doffay, not helper's
[15:11] <pstolowski> Saviq: so back to apps - I assume app lens updated with latest API changes (the branch from James) + yours dedicated apps qml  is all that's currently needed?
[15:12] <Saviq> pstolowski, even if James's apps lens works fine on desktop, there's no zeitgeist on the phone (or anything that would feed data to it ATM)
[15:12] <Saviq> pstolowski, so recent apps is broken (are there recent apps in James's branch?)
[15:12] <Saviq> pstolowski, actually they're "Frequent Apps" on phone...
[15:12] <Saviq> but I'm good with recent
[15:12] <pstolowski> Saviq: so apps lens on the phone is currently all mocked up?
[15:13] <Saviq> pstolowski, yes, only the Installed category is used
[15:13] <Saviq> pstolowski, "Available for download" - we don't have an app store... so no way to download apps to download...
[15:14] <Saviq> or display them at all
[15:15] <Saviq> pstolowski, but we should be able to have a mock subscope for a real apps scope, right?
[15:15] <Saviq> pstolowski, so that we can feed the Frequent and Available categories from a mock scope?
[15:16] <pstolowski> Saviq: apps is not a master scope at the moment, so we would need to have a master first, and then make apps & a mocked one its subscopes
[15:16] <nic-doffay> Saviq, further interesting things. on ./run my alias in OrientationHelper is false as it should be. However on ./run_on_device it's undefined.
[15:17] <Saviq> pstolowski, right, I'd say initially we should probably just go to as close as we had it for the old lenses
[15:17] <pstolowski> Saviq: or we can apply your custom apps qml on top of real apps, or am I missing something?
[15:18] <Saviq> pstolowski, yeah exaclty
[15:18] <Saviq> pstolowski, I'm thinking let's apply the custom qmls on top of both Home and Apps for now
[15:18] <Saviq> pstolowski, and replace things as we go
[15:18] <Saviq> incrementally when ready
[15:21] <om26er> so what changed in Unity that now chromium does not show its menus in the Unity menubar ?
[15:24] <pstolowski> Saviq: agreed. not sure about what that means for Home qml yet, though
[15:24] <Saviq> pstolowski, investigating
[15:24] <Saviq> pstolowski, the only thing we need is somehow get to the results from the other scopes
[15:24] <Saviq> pstolowski, should be relatively easy
[15:26] <pstolowski> Saviq: yeah. that's something home scope does transparently. no more special global models etc.
[15:27] <pstolowski> Saviq: we just need to make sure those scopes are always searched by home scope (we have dconf keys for this)
[15:28] <Saviq> pstolowski, yeah I understand, that's great - and good as the end result
[15:28] <Saviq> pstolowski, we unfortunately just need something for the mean time
[15:28] <Saviq> pstolowski, where we don't actually have the scopes
[15:32] <pstolowski> Saviq: understood
[15:32] <Saviq> pstolowski, I'll come up with something during the review, I hope
[15:32] <Saviq> pstolowski, as I don't yet fully understand what's changed
[15:37] <pstolowski> Saviq: sure. 90% of the change is s/lens/scope, removal of global model/result count, minor changes in callback signatures and changed schema of search results model
[15:38] <Saviq> pstolowski, yeah, I'm hopeful it's not gonna be difficult
[15:38] <pstolowski> Saviq: and major effort was to integrate all this with demo assets and mock lenses :)
[15:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i checked and https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/8.carousel-listview/+merge/167713 has the same code i had for my carousel-listview crashes, want me to approve or wait for Cimi's review?
[15:39] <Saviq> pstolowski, yeah, I know, that's unfortunate
[15:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I say let's merge, if Cimi comes back with something we can merge later
[15:45] <tsdgeos> done
[15:47] <Cimi> Saviq, tsdgeos you can merge if you tested
[15:47] <Cimi> Saviq, I thought of testing it then I lost time with KDE Installation
[15:47] <Cimi> now I'm with KDE and works fine, no crashes
[16:12] <jbicha> do you have something like http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ but for Unity-related MPs?
[16:21] <Cimi> Saviq, can I have someone to start reviewing?
[16:21] <Cimi> Saviq, I'll have a look at qml theming
[16:21] <Saviq> Cimi, reviewing the QML components, you mean?
[16:21] <Saviq> s/QML/system/
[16:22] <Cimi> yes
[16:22] <Cimi> lp:ubuntu-settings-components
[16:22] <nic-doffay> Anyone familiar with UbuntuAnimation here?
[16:22] <nic-doffay> Does it exist any more?
[16:22] <Cimi> like, first comments on what's wrong
[16:22] <Cimi> it's WIP still
[16:23] <Cimi> feel free to add crap on the TODO, better
[16:42] <nic-doffay> greyback, up for a small review for the ui-toolkit?
[16:42] <nic-doffay> one line
[16:43] <greyback> nic-doffay: I /can/, but isn't there a ui-toolkit person who can do it too?
[16:43] <nic-doffay> greyback, possibly waiting for a response in the sdk chan.
[16:43] <Saviq> nic-doffay, there should be more lines - you need to document the property
[16:43] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and advertise it in the CHANGES file
[16:43] <nic-doffay> Saviq, kk
[16:44] <greyback> nic-doffay: ok, I can have a look
[16:52] <mhr3> Saviq, still here?
[16:53] <nic-doffay> greyback, ta but I have someone from #sdk who volunteered!
[16:53] <mhr3> meh, tomorrow is also a day...
[16:53] <greyback> nic-doffay: coolio
[17:00] <didrocks> fginther: maybe another random issue? https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-copyright/+merge/168429
[17:05] <Saviq> mhr3, pong
[17:05] <mhr3> Saviq, did pawel create a meeting for the chat we wanted to have about the qml apis?
[17:06] <Saviq> mhr3, I don't think he did yet, but he did mention that he will
[17:07] <mhr3> Saviq, k, i'll bug him tomorrow to make one, you know - no calendar event, no meeting :P
[17:07] <mhr3> i think it'll be best after the planning meeting


[13:02] <hellohello> ! firefox
[13:07] <hellohello> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/zesty-changes/2017-January/006894.html --> [ubuntu/zesty-proposed] firefox 51.0.1+build2-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[13:07] <k1l_> what is the issue?
[13:07] <k1l_> !info firefox
[13:08] <hellohello> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/zesty-desktop-i386.manifest --> firefox	50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1
[13:09] <hellohello> any date for the latest firefox to be added to the daily live?
[13:09] <k1l_> its in proposed. that is where stuff gets the automated testings. as you see from the bot in the regular repo its still 50
[13:09] <hellohello> thanks
[13:09] <k1l_> if you need the firefox 51 for testing, than install it from proposed repo
[13:11] <k1l_> sudo apt install firefox/zesty-proposed
[13:12] <hellohello> tnks --> k1l_
[13:13] <k1l_> 51 is already in 16.04 and 16.10
[13:14] <hellohello> yes I saw that it was in 16.04 and the regression in the notices
[13:15] <hellohello> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3175-2/
[13:17] <brunch875> k1l_, I didn't know you could choose channel on apt... nice
[13:18] <hellohello> and the update --> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2017-February/015825.html
[15:54]  * enyc thinks ... 16.04.2 ...
[15:57] <enyc> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/372/builds  <- does this simply mean automated tests still running?
[16:26] <zezu_> On Kubuntu/Zesty I get no context menu on panel task manager,  and I can't find a setting that handles it.  Can anyone tell me where I should be looking or how I can enable it?
[22:25] <valorie> enyc: it was ~announced that 16.04.2 will be released Thursday
[22:25] <valorie> although it's rather off-topic for this chan
[23:31] <enyc> valorie: which channel is in on topic to?
[23:31] <enyc> valorie: i looked at ubuntu-release mailing list and didn't see ;p
[23:32] <valorie> enyc: I think the delay was on Ubuntu-devel list
[23:32] <valorie> and #ubuntu-release discussed it as well


[00:17] <Term1nal> Does it make sense to deploy an ubuntu charm??
[00:18] <davecheney> Term1nal: sure
[00:20] <Term1nal> Could I say............. deploy it to a container? :D
[00:20] <Term1nal> Or do I just add a container and just do whatever it is I needed in that?
[00:21] <Term1nal> Want to deploy a VestaCP setup, I suppose I could make it into a charm...
[01:49] <arosales> Term1nal, you can deploy to a container, and we do have an Ubuntu charm
[01:50] <arosales> Term1nal, http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/trusty/ubuntu
[01:51] <arosales> Term1nal, re deploying to containers https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-deploying.html#deploying-to-specific-machines-and-containers
[01:52] <arosales> Term1nal, but VestaCP may make a good suborindate charm and should be pretty straight forward
[01:53] <arosales> given this is the install method for VestaCP, http://vestacp.com/#install
[04:33] <bradm> anyone about who knows about the python-django charm?
[04:34] <AskUbuntu> Can I have multiple local juju environments? | http://askubuntu.com/q/470917
[04:43] <lazyPower> bradm: i have limited knowledge of it, what would you like to know?
[05:13] <bradm> lazyPower: I'm trying to get it to deploy a bzr based project, and its failing on the install hook
[05:14] <bradm> lazyPower: ansible ends up barfing with a "fatal: [localhost] => /etc/ansible/host_vars/localhost: Expecting propert
[05:14] <bradm> y name: line 1 column 2 (char 1)"
[05:14] <bradm> lazyPower: and the task listed is "get mercurial source", which is odd given its a bzr repo
[05:14] <lazyPower> sounds like it may have interpted the resource incorrectly. Can you file a bug with the output?
[05:14] <lazyPower> + charm version
[05:15] <bradm> lazyPower: I'm actually writing one up now :)
[05:15] <lazyPower> thats briliant, thank you!
[05:15] <lazyPower> Fixing problems, one bug at a time.
[05:15] <bradm> its entirely possible my bzr repo isn't right or something, the docs on it are limited
[05:15] <bradm> but I doubt its causing this issue
[05:16] <lazyPower> bradm: did you set the vcs config options to bzr?
[05:16] <bradm> lazyPower: indeed I did
[05:16] <lazyPower> boo, i was hoping for an obvious fix
[05:17] <bradm> lazyPower: my yaml file set vcs to bzr, and repo_url to my bzr branch on lp
[05:17] <lazyPower> hmm, lp:~user/project/branch?
[05:17] <bradm> lazyPower: yup!
[05:17] <lazyPower> can you try giving it the bzr+ssh url?
[05:17] <lazyPower> that may make a difference.
[05:17] <bradm> lazyPower: should there be quotes around the strings?
[05:17] <lazyPower> wouldn't hurt.
[05:18] <bradm> I've tried both with and without quotes
[05:18] <lazyPower> yeah, its not required
[05:18] <bradm> I didn't think so, but the examples aren't consistant
[05:18] <lazyPower> but in the off chance the yaml parser is getting funky during interpretation its best to quote them
[05:18] <bradm> the weird bit is if you look at the ansible playbook, it shouldn't be doing the mercurial task, it shoudl be doing bzr
[05:19] <bradm> which means the variables aren't being set right it seems
[05:19] <lazyPower> do me a favor and run juju run --service python-django config-get and paste me the output
[05:20] <lazyPower> scrub any sensitive details first ofcourse. *friendy reminder*
[05:20] <bradm> lazyPower: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7504234/
[05:21] <bradm> lazyPower: I'm learning django, the app I'm deploying is from the django tutorial :)
[05:21] <lazyPower> right on. Exciting stuff learning new frameworks.
[05:21] <lazyPower> I just recently got started with flask, and i'm loving it
[05:21] <lazyPower> the sinatra of the python universe
[05:22] <bradm> oh, interesting, I've heard good things
[05:23] <bradm> I'm a sysadmin though, not a dev, so I pick frameworks to learn most relevant to what I'm doing workwise
[05:23] <lazyPower> ok i just kicked off a deployment with relevant configs, 1 moment while my environment stabilizes.
[05:23] <lazyPower> Yeah, i ride that line between dev and ops every day. I'm a developer at heart, op-smith by trade.
[05:24] <lazyPower> its good to see others picking up the interest in developer <=> ops communication and mindset.
[05:24] <bradm> lazyPower: well, you know I'm from Canonical, right? :)
[05:24] <lazyPower> Nope, but I do now
[05:24] <lazyPower> http://i.imgur.com/A85WCCz.png
[05:25] <bradm> oho, I'm using trusty, that's probably a difference
[05:25] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7504242/
[05:25] <bradm> and juju 1.18.3, but I doubt that'll make a huge difference either
[05:26] <lazyPower> i got a 500 response code, i didn't remote in to see if its the code or a tanked deployment
[05:26] <lazyPower> but it made it past deployment
[05:26] <bradm> ok, let me redo this with precise and see
[05:27] <bradm> lazyPower: I'm not sure I did the bzr branch right, it wasn't exactly clear what it needed, but thats another thing to debug once I get the install right
[05:28]  * lazyPower nods
[05:28] <lazyPower> I'll be around for another couple of minutes. its pretty late here and I should get some sleep
[05:28] <lazyPower> i'll stick around to see if you hit paydirt though. would be nice to see you unblocked.
[05:29] <bradm> cool, thanks
[05:32] <bradm> just waiting for lxc to catch up to my juju commands now :)
[05:37] <bradm> lazyPower: lxc seems upset at me for some reason, might take a few to fix
[05:37] <lazyPower> ack.
[05:37] <lazyPower> if you need anything further closer to 9am EDT I'll be back at it.
[05:37] <lazyPower> best of luck to you bradm
[05:37] <bradm> lazyPower: thanks heaps for your help, its definately pointed me the right way I think
[06:03] <bradm> lazyPower: huh, I've tried using precise, I've tried using the dev juju version, I still get the same error
[06:19] <bradm> lazyPower: filed LP#1322449
[06:19] <_mup_> Bug #1322449: python-django charm fails to deploy bzr project <python-django (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1322449>
[08:27] <jamespage> marcoceppi: I made gnuoy a member of the charmers team - he was until he changed teams in Canonical and he's doing lots of work on charms and charm-helpers
[08:27] <jamespage> gnuoy, welcome back!
[08:28] <gnuoy> jamespage, thanks :-)
[09:34] <caribou> Q: when the upgrade-charm hook is fired, should it have all the relations available ?
[09:35] <caribou> I'm calling the function called when 'relation-changed' is fired from the upgrade-charm and apparently it doesn't see any of the relation that 'relation-changed' sees
[10:19] <marcoceppi> jamespage: for future reference there's an application process. if gnuoy needs  access to stuff to work faster we can build teams to do so
[10:19] <marcoceppi> jamespage: ie, if we need to create a charm-helpers maintainers team, etc
[10:19] <jamespage> marcoceppi: oh - the document I read must be wrong then
[10:20] <jamespage> marcoceppi: charmers is appropriate - he's working on charms and will be helping with reviews etc..
[10:20] <jamespage> plus he's lots of good history
[10:20] <marcoceppi> jamespage: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/reference-reviewers.html#join-us!
[10:21] <jamespage> marcoceppi: I actioned under "Upon getting involved with these activities, we'll probably ask you if you'd like to join charmers"
[10:21] <marcoceppi> jamespage: ah, well it's ask to apply, wording is vague there
[10:21] <jamespage> marcoceppi: indeed
[10:22]  * marcoceppi updates docs
[10:22] <jamespage> marcoceppi: apologies if I subverted the normal process :-)
[10:22] <marcoceppi> jamespage: no worries! gnuoy gets a +1 for charmer from me so process remains in tact
[10:23] <jamespage> marcoceppi: excellent
[10:23] <gnuoy> marcoceppi, thanks, much appreciated
[10:25] <marcoceppi> gnuoy: I'll send you a welcome email in a bit
[10:25] <gnuoy> thanks
[14:15] <sebas5384> hello o/
[14:15] <sebas5384> did some beer thinking
[14:15] <sebas5384> about the paas thingy with juju
[15:18] <bodie_> sebas5384, aye?
[15:22] <sebas5384> bodie_: oye = ?
[15:23] <bodie_> I was reading the log, and you mentioned you'd done some thinking about juju-paas.  :P
[15:23] <sebas5384> oohh yeah
[15:23] <sebas5384> hehe
[15:23] <sebas5384> sorry
[15:23] <sebas5384> so php, nginx charms, etc...
[15:23] <sebas5384> can make possible the service scale
[15:33] <lazyPower> sebas5384: go on...
[15:34] <bodie_> he named the language that must not be named
[15:34] <lazyPower> I don't see pearl mentioned anywhere in the recent history...
[15:34]  * lazyPower hides
[15:34] <lazyPower> s/pearl/perl
[15:36] <sebas5384> so we can actually use juju as a paas, using some CD tool
[15:37] <bodie_> you'd need a proper deploy target
[15:38] <bodie_> I don't think you necessarily want to spin up a new cloud instance for each app, for example
[15:38] <sebas5384> bodie_: thats not for always
[15:38] <sebas5384> but for example
[15:39] <sebas5384> when we make some deploy to production or stage
[15:39] <sebas5384> the 80% problems are because of some difference between the environments
[15:39] <sebas5384> and thats clearly a waste
[15:40] <lazyPower> sebas5384: as was covered yesterday you can use juju to some semblance of a PAAS
[15:42] <sebas5384> nice lazyPower
[15:42] <lazyPower> well that wasn't supposed to have been sent yet, stupid itchy enter key
[15:42] <lazyPower> anywho
[15:42] <lazyPower> we're getting a proper PAAS in teh coming months with CloudFoundry - its under active dev now.
[15:43] <sebas5384> so making php charms is not a crazy thing
[15:43] <lazyPower> Well, depends on how it fits in your over-arching architecture
[15:43] <lazyPower> There's a long standing todo item to charm up a PHP Framework like Cake, Symphony, Zend, and provide that to the community as well.
[15:44] <sebas5384> i sow some issues about php-app charm
[15:44] <lazyPower> so, it stands to reason that building PHP Application charms are completely within the vision and scope of juju
[15:45] <lazyPower> but it may not offer the same benefits you would get from a PAAS like cloud foundry where you deploy CF, and then allocate app pools within CF and deploy like a madman
[15:45] <lazyPower> heroku kind of set the bar for that, and PAAS's are all the rage these days
[15:48] <lazyPower> sebas5384: However, if you have an idea about using juju as a paas - i'd love to see it.
[15:48] <sebas5384> but for me offering paas using juju, is more friendly to a costumer that haves their own datacenter and build every machine from ground up
[15:49] <sebas5384> lazyPower: great! i'm working on that
[15:49] <lazyPower> sebas5384: I hear ya. I had the same thought a few months ago and dove head first into learning it. My first thought was "Putting the gui overtop of DO would be pure fire for their business model.  The GUI gets more people interested in the product than anything else i've ever done to 'sell it' at talks.
[15:50] <sebas5384> lazyPower: exactly, and the relation thing
[15:50] <sebas5384> for example
[15:50] <sebas5384> openshift had already good stuff happening
[15:50] <sebas5384> but
[15:51] <sebas5384> doesn't have gui, relation and topology portability that juju brings to the table so well
[15:51] <lazyPower> That's true.
[15:52] <sebas5384> so for me buildpack = bundle
[15:52] <sebas5384> and i can have more than one bundle, of the same project
[15:53] <sebas5384> always talking about app is not reality actually, because in the same project you have more than one app running
[15:53] <sebas5384> we have project with node and drupal at the same time
[15:54] <lazyPower> Right. You get into the territory where SOA principals apply. We're running services that utilize messaging to achieve a goal.
[15:54] <sebas5384> lazyPower: nice
[15:54] <sebas5384> i would love to see more of that
[15:54] <lazyPower> sebas5384: you're already seeing that every day
[15:55] <sebas5384> ooh right, service oriented arch
[15:55] <lazyPower> yep
[15:55] <sebas5384> hehe duhh ¬¬
[15:56] <lazyPower> I bought into that methodology a long time ago when i started learning the ruby ecosystem. SOA fits really well within those confines. My web apps were speedy and relied heavily on workers and worker farms to do the heavy lifting
[15:56] <lazyPower> the end user see's a zippy website, while my infrastructure was beaming data bits around to different areas to do different things, such as compute metrics, send emails, etc. None of the heavy lifting was done from the same machine that was presenting the site to the user.
[15:56] <sebas5384> lazyPower: thats what i want for my projects :)
[15:57] <sebas5384> lazyPower: congrats! do you have some slides or post talking about that experience?
[15:57] <lazyPower> MAAS has the same concept using celery and django. Celery is the work horse while django gives you the UX. TO the  user it doesn't matter whats happening under the hood so long as its fast, and easy to use.
[15:58] <sebas5384> exactly
[15:58] <lazyPower> Just the slides I linked you already for my juju talk.  My last job didn't allow me to talk about our tech much. I was under some pretty deep contracts.
[15:58] <sebas5384> hmmm kreepy
[15:58] <sebas5384> oh! i'm going to lunch over here :)
[15:58]  * lazyPower shrugs
[15:59] <lazyPower> marketing
[15:59] <lazyPower> o/ have a good lunch sebas5384. Catch you 'round
[15:59] <sebas5384> alwayssss
[15:59] <sebas5384> hehe
[15:59] <sebas5384> lazyPower: thanks! later :D
[18:49] <sebas5384> sshuttle just is making my mac kernel panic hehe
[18:52] <AskUbuntu> juj status can no lookup nodes by name | http://askubuntu.com/q/471224
[19:04] <sebas538_> kernel panic again!! wtf! hehe
[21:30] <AskUbuntu> Charm Creation General question | http://askubuntu.com/q/471276


[08:10] <Takyoji> Can we have complete GNOME 3 in Ubuntu yet?
[08:11] <Takyoji> ahh, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell