  *I* certainly never gave it, or apport, permission ... but there you have it.  I've rm'd the package from all the boxes -- QUESTION:
[00:39] <DarylXian> How do you permanenetly lock/prevent the install of package?
[00:50] <holstein> DarylXian: nothing additionally should be installed without sudo permission
[00:51] <DarylXian> holstein: It was apparently installed, and enabled, without my permission in the 1st place.  I'd rather not trust the "should", and lock out 'whoopsie' from ever being (re)installed.
[00:52] <DarylXian> afaict, you can lock UPGRADES.  haven't figured out how to lock out INSTALLS.
[00:52] <holstein> DarylXian: if the packages come with the OS, then they will have already been installed
[00:52] <sarnold> it is installed by default on every system.
[00:52] <holstein> DarylXian: i dont select "auto upagrades" at install
[00:52] <holstein> DarylXian: you should be able to remove anything you please,a nd nothing will be added or changed without your doing so
[00:53] <sarnold> perhaps you want to set up a debian installer preseed file that knows to uninstall it so your own installs won't hve it
[00:53] <DarylXian> sarnold: Right.  ANd apparently enabled.  Which is what's got me riled.  But, ignore me/that.  I simply don't trust this to not happen again.
[00:53] <DarylXian> Is there no locking mechanism -- like opensuse's zypper locks -- to prevent installs?
[00:53] <sarnold> or just add 'apt-get purge whoopsie' or whatever to an after-install script you run on systems?
[00:54] <sarnold> DarylXian: you can always make a fake whoopsie package to install.. kinda blunt as an instrument, but there you go
[00:54] <holstein> DarylXian: things dont get installed without your permission.. nothing was installed.. it comes withthe pacakges you are mentioning
[00:54] <DarylXian> holstein: It's been ENABLED without my express permisson.  That's at best -- shoddy.
[00:55] <DarylXian> sarnold: Not elegant, but a workaround.  THanks.  I can stuff this into Puppet somehow ...
[00:56] <holstein> DarylXian: enabled is not "installed after installation of the OS in the background without permission"
[00:56] <holstein> DarylXian: you should have no trouble removing anything you please, and it wont "automatically" do anything
[00:57] <DarylXian> It 'automatically' was enabled. ~10 million DNS queries later ... I'm simply interested in preventing it from doing so again.
[01:07] <jrwren_> its a good question, you could look into APT pinning?
[01:11] <jrwren_> Pin-Priority: -1  # should prevent it from being ever installed
[01:11] <sarnold> ooh
[01:11] <sarnold> that's easier than what I mentioned to him, the equivs package
[01:14] <jrwren_>         Package: perl
[01:14] <jrwren_>            Pin: version 5.10*
[01:14] <jrwren_> sorry.
[01:14] <jrwren_> clipboard fail
[01:14] <jrwren_> echo -e "Package: whoopsie\nPin-Priority: -1" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/whoopsie
[01:14] <jrwren_> on all your servers should do it.
[01:15] <jrwren_> or in a shared cloud-init
[04:01] <MavKen> does someone know of a good site that shows best practices for directory permissions?  I have /var/www/client1/public_html/ for each of my clients... lots of permission issues with joomla
[04:02] <patdk-lap> not specific enough
[04:02] <jkitchen> MavKen: welcome to the wonderful world of "trying to make mod_php secure"
[04:02] <patdk-lap> the question will be, how are you running php? what user?
[04:02] <patdk-lap> there are really just 3 options
[04:02] <jkitchen> solution: don't. use php fpm or cgi or such
[04:03] <MavKen> i added all users to www-data
[04:03] <patdk-lap> run it as a single user, then any user can screw with other users
[04:03] <MavKen> then made www-data owner of each
[04:03] <patdk-lap> run it as the user, then user can screw with themselfs, and anything outside their public_html folder
[04:03] <patdk-lap> or make a new user for each user that the php runs as for that user
[04:04] <patdk-lap> ya, your going have lots of fun there, all you have to do is see what joomla says is required though
[04:05] <MavKen> I set permissions at 755 but no good... only 777 worked
[04:05] <jkitchen> MavKen: whatever you do, do NOT 777
[04:05] <jkitchen> grr
[04:05] <MavKen> yeah
[04:05] <patdk-lap> that is not what I said
[04:05] <patdk-lap> I said set them up as joomla tells you to
[04:05] <jkitchen> NEVER 777.
[04:05] <jkitchen> ever.
[04:05] <patdk-lap> it will tell you what folder needs what permissions
[04:05] <MavKen> I don't plan on keeping 777
[04:06] <jkitchen> MavKen: don't ever even do it to start
[04:06] <jkitchen> 777 is for /tmp and that's it.
[04:06] <jkitchen> and ever that is 1777
[04:07] <MavKen> alright
[04:07] <MavKen> it says to use 755 for all directories
[04:07] <MavKen> but wasnt sure if i should make client1 the owner or www-data
[04:08] <jkitchen> MavKen: you need to look into php fpm
[04:08] <jkitchen> mod_php should not be used for any multi-tenancy
[04:09] <patdk-lap> mod_php should never be used ever :)
[04:09] <jkitchen> I disagree
[04:09] <patdk-lap> it's a memory and performance hog
[04:09] <jkitchen> oh?
[04:09] <jkitchen> weird
[04:09] <patdk-lap> why weird?
[04:09] <jkitchen> maybe fpm is better now, then
[04:09] <jkitchen> I always assumed mod_php was the fastest because the interpreter was always there
[04:09] <patdk-lap> mod_php never beat php fcgi
[04:09] <jkitchen> ahh, I don't think I ever ran it fcgi
[04:09] <patdk-lap> and requires apache prefork, and then you have lots of wasted memory
[04:10] <patdk-lap> php_fpm runs as fastcgi, but even before fpm :)
[04:10] <patdk-lap> I was doing something like 97rps with mod_php and 114 with fcgi
[04:10] <jkitchen> crazy
[04:10] <patdk-lap> but really it was about not wasting all that memory on php to fork apache for html files
[04:10] <jkitchen> we just ran it as cgi. worked ok
[04:10] <patdk-lap> and pictures
[04:11] <MavKen> i keep wondering if i should try something other than php
[04:11] <jkitchen> yes
[04:11] <jkitchen> you should
[04:11] <jkitchen> php should not be used
[04:11] <patdk-lap> you mean, try a language that has a better reputation of developers not making stupid security mistakes? :)
[04:12] <jkitchen> oh set php's security issues aside and you still have an abomination.
[04:12] <patdk-lap> between joomla, wordpress, ...., endless issues
[04:12] <jkitchen> I admit it's getting better but it still carries way too much baggage
[04:12] <jkitchen> oh, I'm only talking core
[04:12] <patdk-lap> I'm not even talking php itself
[04:12] <jkitchen> people write horrible software in all languages
[04:13] <patdk-lap> ya, just the liberty php gives, seems to attract them
[04:13] <jkitchen> I mean sendmail was written in C ...
[04:13] <MavKen> my only experience is with php... what else should I look at?
[04:13] <patdk-lap> I will say, that is why I do code in php, cause it's quick and dirty
[04:13] <jkitchen> MavKen: ruby and python are kinda the new hotness nowadays
[04:13] <MavKen> yeah, its easy to throw something together using php
[04:13] <patdk-lap> though, I have spent a long time *fixing* php issues, and also doing thing right
[04:14] <jkitchen> they have excellent web frameworks (rails, django, to name a few)
[04:14] <jkitchen> then things like node.js are becoming popular
[04:15] <MavKen> never would have imagined .js being used that way
[04:15] <jkitchen> node is pretty rad.
[04:16] <MavKen> thinking about trying www.django-cms.org
[04:18] <jkitchen> I don't know anything about it other than it has automatically created admin interfaces and is written in python and was extracted out of the CMS of a newspaper in kansas
[04:19] <jkitchen> I've known ABOUT it for like .. 8 years now? but never used it.
[11:45] <jamespage> apw, the 3.13 changes for openvswitch look a bit terrifying and are definately beyond my capability to fixup in openvswitch
[11:46] <jamespage> I'm going to punt this upstream and disable the DKMS package for the time being
[11:50] <apw> jamespage, do we lose anything significant by doing so, you mentioned a feature
[11:50] <jamespage> apw, just support for LISP based tunnelling which is pretty experimental
[11:55] <apw> jamespage, so not the end if the world i hope then
[11:55] <jamespage> apw, not at all - the 'supported' tunnelling mechanisms for openstack are GRE and VXLAN
[11:56] <jamespage> both are support directly by the in-tree kernel module now
[11:57] <apw> ok good
[12:14] <jamespage> rbasak_, do you have the report generator that looks at server related package merges?
[12:14] <rbasak> jamespage: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reports-dev/ubuntu-reports/trunk/view/head:/server/merges.py
[12:15] <jamespage> rbasak, ah - http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/merges.html
[12:15] <jamespage> got it
[12:15] <rbasak> Oh right. You wanted the report, not the generator. Sorry :)
[12:15] <rbasak> One day, I want to get round to being able to prioritise the report.
[12:22] <jamespage> rbasak, np - that report gives me enough
[12:22] <jamespage> looks like we have some merging todo still...
[12:22] <rbasak> I'm still working on apache2. php5 and mysql are on my list.
[14:36] <rbasak> hallyn or stgraber: is it expected that "lxc-ls" no longer works as a normal user, now that /var/lib/lxc permissions are locked down?
[14:39] <hallyn> rbasak: yes, sadly.
[14:39] <hallyn> rbasak: (you can list your own unprivileged containers, if you're on trusty)
[14:43] <stgraber> rbasak: as I just said in the other channel, note that lxc-ls in the next LXC milestone won't try to list system containers anyway
[14:43] <stgraber> rbasak: current upstream lxc-ls when run as non-root will list unprivileged containers present in ~/.local/share/lxc/
[14:44] <stgraber> well, unless you force it to look somewhere else with "lxc-ls -P /var/lib/lxc" of course
[14:48] <rbasak> stgraber: that's interesting, thanks. Looking forward to your "Unprivileged containers" post :)
[14:49] <stgraber> rbasak: just waiting for slangasek to upload my PAM fix so that sshd works in them, then I'll publish it :)
[14:49] <stgraber> (well, maybe by that time we'll also have a 3.13 kernel in the archive which would also make unpriv containers slightly nicer)
[14:50] <rbasak> Locking down /var/lib/lxc broke adt-virt-lxc, btw, which assumes that it can see inside the guest rootfs as an unprivileged user in order to detect when a container has actually booted (by looking for cloud-init's boot-finished flag).
[14:50] <rbasak> I can probably fix that with sudo, but annoyingly that means that I can't just call os.path.exists, etc.
[14:51] <rbasak> An extension to lxc-wait to detect container boot-finished status would be awesome ;-)
[14:56] <makara> hi. i've added moin.conf to /etc/init/ but "start moin" give "unknown job" ?
[14:57] <makara> have to go
[14:57] <makara> damn
[15:03] <jamespage> rbasak, are your mongodb cross arch changes good for cherry picking? I see they are pending merge upstream now
[15:06] <vipconsult> anyone used the  ML350 G5 or ML150 G6 , I am considering between both for a small office. main cafeterias: SAS RAD 10, ilo, low noise, low size
[15:19] <rbasak> jamespage: I was waiting for the patches to actually be merged upstream in case they were changed at all, but it looks like that's unlikely now, so if you need it then go ahead.
[15:20] <rbasak> jamespage: (as we're synced with Debian I was going to send Debian cherry-picks and let Ubuntu sync it)
[15:21] <jamespage> rbasak, find - I'm hacking around on the juju-mongodb package at the moment - I've disabled scripting altogether so it might just build on arm64 with your patches :-)
[15:21] <rbasak> jamespage: also, I don't think you need the third commit. Might as well leave amd64/i386 alone until upstream take it.
[15:34] <jamespage> zul, is savanna actually in 14.04 yet?
[15:42] <zul> jamespage:  not yet i have to upload it
[17:29] <vipconsult> how do you go about protecting the data in case of theft ?
[17:31] <holstein> vipconsult: the machine physically getting taken?
[17:31] <vipconsult> yes
[17:32] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto ..but, if someone can touch the machine, i dont trust anything
[17:32] <Pici> Doesn't that require you to enter a password at boot?
[17:33] <holstein> i think it would make running a headless system more challenging.. if not impossible from a cold reboot without intervention
[17:38] <semiosis> jamespage: ping
[17:41] <jamespage> semiosis, hello
[17:42] <semiosis> hi, marcoceppi suggested i get in touch with you about the glusterfs package in trusty, i have some updates
[17:43] <semiosis> basically, due to upstart, glusterfs is merged rather than synced.  there's a new release of glusterfs, 3.4.2, and also improved upstart jobs, which I'd like to get merged into trusty
[17:43] <semiosis> thoughts?  advice?
[17:44] <semiosis> i take care of upstream ubuntu & debian packaging for the glusterfs project btw
[19:09] <keithzg> Hmphhh, I seem to be running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/976632 but am a bit scared to get too invasive chaning settings that otherwise work....sigh.
[19:13] <keithzg> Wellllll, I gave in and set Domain = localhost on both the client and server /etc/idmapd.conf, which seems to have fixed it. Time for the fun part of eventually discovering unintended consequences and ramifications ;)
[19:22] <addisonj> hey, trying to make sense of something, in 12.04.3, the default kernel is 3.8, but under the cloud images, it seems like it defaults to 3.2 instead... is there a reason for that or a place to get the "official" ami with 3.8?
[19:26] <sarnold> addisonj: I don't know the exact answer you'r looking for but I hope this is helpful :) http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.2/release/
[19:26] <sarnold> hunh, wonder why the url says 12.04.2 but the content all says 12.04.3.
[19:27] <addisonj> sarnold: yeah, I was looking at that, if you scroll down the list of content and look at kernel info, it shows 3.2...
[19:29] <sarnold> addisonj: how odd
[19:56] <rbasak> jamespage: https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/commit/df3d84e and https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/commit/c9edb7f just landed upstream.
[19:56] <rbasak> I'll file a Debian bug tomorrow.
[19:58] <jvargas> A server was hacked and it runs a fake program named /usr/sbin/nginx, but that file doesn't really exists
[19:58] <jvargas> Inspecting /proc/PID_NUMBER I found that the excutable is a perl script
[19:58] <rostam> HI using ubuntu 12.04 LTS update 3, Missing files/directories: I have observed on afew of my systems, sometimes after reboot some of files or directories are missing,any idea why? thx
[19:59] <jvargas> And its current executing directory is /tmp
[19:59] <jvargas> How can I find the original program being run as "/usr/sbin/nginx" if it doesnt exists?
[20:02] <sarnold> jvargas: check /proc/pid/fd/
[20:03] <sarnold> jvargas: you may be able to vi some of those; I can't recall if it still works if the file's been deleted, but I think it may..
[20:03] <jvargas> sarnold: will check. brb
[20:04] <sarnold> rostam: check your various /lost+found directories ? if the system lost power before umounting, perhaps the files were disconnected..
[20:09] <dcosnet> `which nginx`
[20:09] <dcosnet> or `lsof | grep nginx`
[20:09] <dcosnet> to see what it is talking to
[20:10] <jvargas> sarnold: just did it, but no files open, just sockets and pipes. I found that its /proc/PID/fd/51 points to /proc/OTHER_PID/auxv
[20:10] <jvargas> But that OTHER_PID doesn't exist anymore
[20:11] <sarnold> jvargas: crazy
[20:14] <semiosis> jvargas: possible remote code execution, program code may have arrived over the network & only reside in memory.
[20:16] <dcosnet> ouch
[20:20] <sarnold> yeah perl does make it easy to deliver executable code in a varieyt of ways.. stdin, -e, load a file and execute, etc..
[20:20] <jvargas> semiosis: maybe. since it is a perl program, is it possible to inspect the source code at execution time?
[20:21] <dcosnet> check /tmp and /var/tmp just incase
[20:21] <dcosnet> also any possible memory filesystems like gnome has
[20:22] <jvargas> I just did, nothing there.
[20:22] <semiosis> is this a web server?  runing php perhaps?  i've seen plenty of RFI exploits do stuff like this
[20:23] <semiosis> (remote file include)
[20:24] <jvargas> semiosis: yes, a web server running php. Actually, the process runs as one of the web users
[20:24] <kees> jvargas: you could gdb attach and have it generate a core dump (without actually killing the process)
[20:24] <semiosis> hehe, called it
[20:25] <kees> the command is "gcore", fwiw
[20:26] <jvargas> semiosis: yes. What I am looking for is for the source of the program to eliminate it completely.
[20:26] <sarnold> kees: oh! I didn't know that was an option. nice. /proc/self/mem isn't being friendly to e.g. strings -a  :) hehe
[20:26] <kees> sarnold: right, /proc/$pid/mem needs the reader to be ptrace attached
[20:26] <semiosis> jvargas: most likely you have a php file on the server which is vulnerable to an rfi attack, and someone (many actually) are scanning teh whole internet looking for such vulnerable systems
[20:26] <semiosis> these vulerabilities exist in lots of popular php apps
[20:27] <sarnold> kees: oh! cool. thanks. :)
[20:27] <semiosis> there's very likely no file on your server being executed
[20:27] <kees> in the generated core file, you may have a dump of the original source, if you're lucky
[20:27] <jvargas> semiosis: I know. I've removed some of these before, but this one is the most curious one ever.
[20:27] <sarnold> the /proc/pid/auxv is an odd touch, no doubt.
[20:28] <kees> fd/51 ? wow. I wonder what it was doing
[20:28] <kees> (like, that's a fair number of open files)
[20:29] <jvargas> kees: yes, I read that auxv file is "contains the contents of the  ELF  interpreter  information passed  to the process at exec time"
[20:30] <jvargas> So, why does a process would have an open fd pointing to the AUXV file of another process?
[20:30] <kees> jvargas: there's a lot of weird stuff in the auxv file. the most sensitive is the ELF start location (which can be an ASLR bypass) and the random number seeds for glibc protections (ssp, ptr_mangle)
[20:30] <jvargas> Copying the full binary image of its parent process?
[20:32] <semiosis> jvargas: you might want to look into running mod_security - http://www.modsecurity.org/
[20:32] <kees> jvargas: my arbitrary guess was that it was trying to attack that process by examining its ASLR offset. but that's just a total guess.
[20:32] <kees> jvargas: but getting a gcore via gdb will tell you the most at this point.
[20:32] <YamakasY_> Hi all
[20:32] <jvargas> kees: will run gdb now.
[20:32] <YamakasY_> can apt-mirror not use mirror://
[20:32] <YamakasY_>  ?
[20:32] <kees> gdb, attach $pid, gcore, quit
[20:32] <kees> well, quit if you want it to keep running. otherwise it'll stay paused while you have gdb open
[20:34] <xperia> hi. i am having problem with mailman on my ubuntu saucy server. installed and configured mailman with any problem but having trouble with permission and access of the new created mailing list. getting allways this error message here
[20:34] <xperia> AH00670: Options FollowSymLinks and SymLinksIfOwnerMatch are both off, so the RewriteRule directive is also forbidden due to its similar ability to circumvent directory restrictions : /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
[20:34] <xperia> have checked the apache conf and enabled Options +FollowSymlinks but it does not help. anybody who can suggest what need to be done?
[20:35] <jvargas> kees: got the core dump, now what can I do with that binary file?
[20:36] <kees> try "strings" on it, see if anything exciting appears :)
[20:36] <sarnold> on a first shot, try strings -a on it
[20:37] <jvargas> kees: I used vim and found strings like "/tmp/bad" and "/usr/sbin/nginx" too near each other.
[20:37] <kees> no perl code snippets, eh?
[20:38] <jvargas> yes, some code snippets.
[20:39] <jvargas> also found several URLs, joomla vulnerabilities info and search engine queries.
[20:40] <kees> nice! sounds like it might scanning for more vulnerabilities.
[20:40] <semiosis> it's most likely a botnet agent, able to propagate, spam, and ddos
[20:40] <semiosis> that's my guess
[20:40] <kees> jvargas: if you want, gzip and email the gcore to me, I can look too<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:41] <xperia> okay could solve the problem. was a apache config problem with the order of the directory rules.
[20:42] <semiosis> some of these botnet agenst propagate by searching google for paths that indicate possibly vulnerable hosts
[20:43] <semiosis> C&C is often handled over http, where the server address is generated based on a time index & some seed.  check what dns queries that host is generating
[20:43] <semiosis> jvargas: ^
[20:46] <jvargas> semiosis, kees: gimme a minute
[20:50] <jvargas> kees, semiosis: I used strings and checked some target URLs, for example this one: http://www.istanbuldenizotobusu.com/sodd.txt
[20:50] <semiosis> i'd recommend against opening that in a browser!
[20:50] <semiosis> curl is your friend
[20:50] <kees> it's a perl script
[20:51] <semiosis> indeed
[20:51] <jvargas> seems that code is retrieved remotely
[20:51] <semiosis> wow, using irc for C&C, thats old school
[20:51] <kees> Portuguese.
[20:52] <jvargas> $proc var is the process names it takes
[20:53] <kees> "BaDGuyS" is the admin control nick, fwiw (the base64 decode)
[20:53] <semiosis> a ddos agent
[20:54] <jvargas> curiously it also performs checks against speedtest.net for bandwidth performance
[20:55] <semiosis> neat
[20:57] <jvargas> so, it scans and also performs ddos
[20:58] <kees> yeah. you can probably find its outbound network connection in "netstat -anp" as root and find its pid
[20:59] <jvargas> It seems that it used a JCE vulenrability on Joomla websites: http://www.istanbuldenizotobusu.com/update.php
[20:59] <kees> cool, you found its entry point?
[21:01] <jvargas> i hope so. ill keep reading.
[21:03] <semiosis> jvargas: if you're feeling adventurous, you could set up a honeypot & point that exploit tool at it, then capture what it does... that would allow you to see the whole payload
[21:04] <kees> oh, hah. sodd == DDoS (backwards)
[21:04] <semiosis> honeypot could be as simple as a php script that writes the whole request, with headers & post data, to a file
[21:08] <kees> yeah, this thing in memory seems to be the attack-finder.
[21:08] <kees> openflashchart ? another vuln?
[21:16] <YamakasY_> wow a 12.04 mirror is huge
[21:29] <punapantteri> hi
[21:31] <punapantteri> I just installed the dovecot-postfix package
[21:31] <punapantteri> asd configured it as this said: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/postfix.html
[21:32] <jvargas> semiosis, kees: problem solved now :-) thanks for ur help
[21:32] <punapantteri> but when I connect with netcat and test, it doesn't work as I suppose it should
[21:33] <punapantteri> I don't see the lines "250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN" and "250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN" among others
[21:33] <semiosis> jvargas: yw. what did you do to prevent further attacks?
[21:35] <jamespage> semiosis, hey - sorry - i missed your response
[21:35] <jamespage> re glusterfs
[21:35] <jvargas> semiosis: updated jce extension on that website and for further protection disabled direct php execution that doesnt passes throgh joomla cms
[21:35] <semiosis> jvargas: cool
[21:35] <semiosis> jamespage: yeah no worries :)
[21:35] <xperia> hi does somebody has mailman running on his ubuntu server? i have some strange permission problems. get allways this error message when i try to confirm my subscription => AH00037: Symbolic link not allowed or link target not accessible: /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
[21:35] <semiosis> jamespage: what do you think about what I was saying?
[21:36] <jamespage> just looking
[21:36] <semiosis> thx
[21:40] <semiosis> jamespage: fyi, my upstream packages (blessed as the official upstream packages for ubuntu) are here: https://launchpad.net/~semiosis/+archive/ubuntu-glusterfs-3.4/+packages
[21:40] <jamespage> semiosis, what does the diff look like between your packags and the distro packages?
[21:41] <semiosis> the glusterfs package in trusty has my old upstart job from 2 years ago
[21:42] <jamespage> semiosis, that sucks a bit
[21:42] <semiosis> in summary, moved the mount block job, mounting-glusterfs.conf, from the -server to the -client package, and changed it to wait for static-network-up instead of started glusterfs-server
[21:42] <semiosis> root issue this addresses is mounting glusterfs vols at boot time
[21:42] <jamespage> ok
[21:42] <semiosis> used to only be a problem when mounting vol from localhost
[21:44] <YamakasY_> damn why are mirrors that huge
[21:46] <semiosis> but more recently (last year or so) many people have had issues with the mount being tried before network is up at all
[21:46] <semiosis> idk if that was caused by a change in ubuntu since precise, or just more people using/testing revealed an issue
[21:46] <semiosis> lots of people use my ppa packages and blocking until static-network-up seems to work for everyone
[21:46] <semiosis> only remaining issue i'm aware of with this config is that if you have multiple glusterfs mounts in fstab, the blocker only holds the first one :(
[21:46] <semiosis> idk how to resolve that
[21:46] <semiosis> or even how to approach it
[21:47] <jamespage> semiosis, sounds like there are some good improvements to incorporate
[21:47] <semiosis> YamakasY_: why do you need a mirror?  maybe just a caching proxy will work for you?
[21:48] <YamakasY_> semiosis: to be sure :)
[21:48] <jamespage> semiosis, any chance I can persuade you to raise a merge proposal against lp:ubuntu/glusterfs with relevant changes to incorporate into the Ubuntu package?
[21:48] <jamespage> that can include the new point release as well
[21:49] <semiosis> jamespage: sure, i did that for precise, about time I do another one :)
[21:49] <jamespage> semiosis, thanks - ping me when you have it ready - i'll review and sponsor :-)
[21:49] <semiosis> any thoughts on that issue of blocking multiple mounts with a single blocker job?
[21:50] <YamakasY_> semiosis: too much traffic over such proxy
[21:50] <YamakasY_> to too large cache
[21:50] <semiosis> not as large as a mirror :)
[21:51] <semiosis> well, not larger than
[21:51] <jamespage> semiosis, tricky
[21:51] <semiosis> yep, i gave up on a general solution.  for my own servers I create an extra blocker for each mount with puppet
[21:53] <jamespage> semiosis, it might be possible to use the instance stanza in some way
[21:53] <YamakasY_> semiosis: yeah might be
[21:53] <YamakasY_> semiosis: but I wonder how good that works
[21:54] <semiosis> jamespage: i'll take another swing at that
[21:54] <jamespage> semiosis, I'll think about it as well - and ping jodh for an opinion
[21:54] <semiosis> jodh?
[23:27] <keithzg> Hmmm, why does virt-manager keep asking me for my passwords for my SSH connections, rather than just using the SSH keys as configured in .ssh/config?


[07:02] <Kilos> oh my
[07:04] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  and all others
[07:05] <Kilos> 14.04 hexchat wont connect to freenode today
[07:05] <Kilos> grrr
[07:10] <Kilos> lemme go try again
[07:34] <Kilos> -marienz- [Global Notice] Services are back, running a recent backup of the database. If you (automatically) identified to nickserv without using SASL while services were split, your password might be compromised. Please change your nickserv password (/msg nickserv help set password) if this applies to you. The misconfiguration allowing this has been fixed. If you have questions, ask in #freenode. Thanks!
[07:35] <Kilos> oh my
[08:16] <Kilos> wbb reboot time
[08:21] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[08:21] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:42] <Kilos> troubles in freenode this morning
[08:42] <Kilos> watching #freenode
[08:53] <Golynx> whats wrong
[08:54] <Kilos> they were kacked or something during a netsplit and passwords are at risk
[08:54] <Kilos> now it wont let me change my password
[08:54] <Golynx> oh ok
[08:54] <Kilos> someone logged in as nickserv during the split
[08:54] <Golynx> ya, it must be a security move from them
[08:57] <Golynx> they should have it under control i guess. They did a good job with the DDOS, seeing they have so little resources to work with.
[09:00] <Golynx> >> /msg nickserv set password
[09:00] <Golynx> works for me
[09:01] <Golynx> i think you need to be identified with services first before changing password
[09:03] <Kilos> ya got it now ty
[09:04] <Kilos> they are helpful
[09:04] <Kilos> but my mask is still dead
[09:04] <Kilos> lemme try a restart
[09:06] <Kilos> ai! mask still not working
[09:15] <Kilos> Golynx, you see my ip here?
[09:16] <Golynx> Kilos is ~miles@unaffiliated/kilos (realname)
[09:16] <Golynx> :)
[09:16] <Kilos> it shows me the ip
[09:17] <Kilos> never used to
[09:17] <Golynx> i think only the ownder of the nick and the channel OPs can see it
[09:18] <Golynx> owner too
[09:18] <Kilos> ya they just told me that. but i also used to see the unafiliated one
[09:19] <Kilos> wow major netsplit by them
[09:20] <Golynx> there is issues now , so some things may not work as they used to
[09:23] <Kilos> bad issues
[09:25] <Kilos> i get sad when peeps attack freenode
[09:27] <Golynx> ya its sad
[09:49] <Kilos> that channel is too busy i cant keep up
[09:55] <Kilos> how do you go to mfacebook Golynx ?
[10:03] <Kilos> eeek there i see about nothing and no choices
[10:03]  * Kilos forgets about fb the data hog
[10:03] <Golynx> you mean the mobile version ? m.facebook.com
[10:03] <Kilos> ya i did that
[10:04] <Kilos> but it battled to even get there
[10:04] <Golynx> it still gives you the pc version ?
[10:04] <Kilos> no a very bare version with no options
[10:05] <Golynx> oh ok, ya i use that mostly
[10:06] <Golynx> options are at the bottom (Settings & Privacy) , but not as much as the pc version
[10:06] <Kilos> na too much work
[10:07] <Golynx> lol
[10:31] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you here?
[10:31] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[11:47] <superfly> hi Kilos
[12:48]  * nlsthzn is here now
[13:16] <Kilos> hehe hi nlsthzn
[13:17] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:32]  * Kilos peeks into the morgue
[15:35] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[17:58] <Kilos> inetpro, jy kannie dag en nag besig wees nie!!
[18:16] <magespawn> good evening
[18:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:17] <magespawn> how are things KIlos?
[18:18] <Kilos> good ty magespawn and you?
[18:18] <magespawn> all good, getting ready for another week
[18:18] <Kilos> ai!
[18:19] <magespawn> not something i mind
[18:19] <Kilos> away from home?
[18:20] <magespawn> well that part sucks a bit, but the end goal will be worth it
[18:20] <Kilos> ok
[18:27] <magespawn> you guys starting to get cold up there/
[18:27] <magespawn> ?
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah 11c some nights
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz, forecast pretoria
[18:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Saturday: Mostly Cloudy. High: 25° C., Saturday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 13° C., Sunday: Overcast. High: 23° C., Sunday Night: Overcast. Low: 12° C., Monday: Partly Cloudy. High: 23° C., Monday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 25° C., Tuesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Wednesday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 20° C.,
[18:28] <Maaz> Wednesday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 12° C., Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 20° C., Thursday Nig…
[18:32] <magespawn> mmm i see
[18:36] <magespawn> here is an answer to that question i asked awhile back
[18:36] <magespawn> http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/show/1946-copying-a-virtual-linux-system-from-virtualbox-to-a-real-physical-machine
[18:38] <Kilos> whew
[19:05] <magespawn> online shopping for the wifes b-day present tonight
[19:05] <Kilos> hehe
[19:11] <inetpro> good evening
[19:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:11] <inetpro> hey Kilos
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: did you hear the news, I bought a Mac
[19:12] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[19:12] <magespawn> hey superfly
[19:12] <Kilos> ah did you get one superfly
[19:12] <inetpro> eish! He turned to the dark side?
[19:12] <superfly> hi magespawn, inetpro
[19:12] <Kilos> now you can get stuff sorted for macs as well
[19:12] <superfly> hahaha, inetpro, no I didn't.
[19:13] <superfly> inetpro: OpenLP was given money to buy a mac so that we can make OpenLP work better on Mac
[19:13] <Kilos> osx or something
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: that's right
[19:13] <Kilos> good enjoy the journey
[19:13] <magespawn> thats pretty cool superfly , nice one
[19:14] <Kilos> then give us a genuine opinion of a mac
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: it's a shame! Those macs should rather not have such good apps running on them
[19:15] <superfly> Kilos: I've used them before. they're nice, but if you want to do any development on them you have to spend a LOT of time compiling stuff. On Linux I just apt-get install
[19:15] <superfly> inetpro: macs have an even narrower use-case than Windows
[19:15] <Kilos> oh dont linux commands work on macs?
[19:15] <superfly> inetpro: they're very overpriced
[19:15] <superfly> Kilos: no
[19:16] <Kilos> eish
[19:16] <superfly> inetpro: a very basic keyboard costs R700
[19:16] <magespawn> but they look pretty
[19:17] <inetpro> superfly: very overpriced? Understatement of the year
[19:19] <inetpro> but the problem is less about the price than anything else
[19:19] <Kilos> how come there is no one here on a mac
[19:19] <Kilos> can they do irc
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: make no mistake, plenty of people just love them macs... and don't even try to convince them about anything else
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <Kilos> same type of syndrome like windrome
[19:22] <inetpro> worse
[19:22] <Kilos> haha
[19:22] <inetpro> much worse
[19:22] <Kilos> i love my intel pc with 14.04 and 12.04
[19:22] <Kilos> but shoulda stayed 32bit
[19:23] <Kilos> other pcs dont do 64bit so its double data
[19:23] <Kilos> sigh
[19:34] <magespawn> macs at least perform
[19:35] <Kilos> in what way?
[19:36] <Kilos> what can they do this pc cant?
[19:36] <magespawn> in my limited experience they do not have the performance issues that often plague win pc
[19:36] <Kilos> oh win pc
[19:39] <magespawn> having said that they are locked up tighter than a clam at low tide
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe
[19:44] <superfly> the very lowest spec macs are very powerful
[19:45] <superfly> but because Apple controls EVERYTHING, they can keep the performance issues from happening
[19:46] <Kilos> oh well dont get converted superfly
[19:46] <superfly> Kilos: unlikely. I love my freedom too much
[19:46] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <Kilos> once you have done all you need to on it then install kde on it
[19:47]  * superfly switches to another desktop, opens a terminal and types "apt-get install..."
[19:47] <superfly> exactly :-)
[19:51] <magespawn> i tried to apt-get on a win machine, sat for a couple seconds wishing it would work
[19:52] <superfly> You do get MacPorts, which is like Gentoo's Portage for Mac OS
[19:52] <superfly> but that's still a developer tool, and that means you have to compile everything from scratch
[19:52] <inetpro> sounds like FreeBSD ports as well
[19:54] <superfly> yeah
[19:55] <superfly> Both MacPorts and FreeBSD ports also support binary packages
[19:55] <magespawn> any hardware issues with those or other ports?
[19:55] <superfly> but for something like Qt, you need to compile everything from scratch -_-
[19:56] <Kilos> so is all their sotware osx stuff. cant they play ms games either
[19:57] <Kilos> and you gotta buy everything?
[19:58] <superfly> something like that
[19:59] <Kilos> ai! who want a mac then
[19:59] <magespawn> if you have bought the mac everything else will look cheap
[19:59] <Kilos> lol
[20:00] <Kilos> what did it cost superfly if i may ask?
[20:01] <superfly> Kilos: the Mac Mini cost R8000
[20:01] <Kilos> and when it comes to kde install time you will have hardware driver probs
[20:01] <superfly> at that's without a screen, keyboard or mouse
[20:01] <superfly> JUST the "cpu"
[20:01] <Kilos> eish
[20:02] <Kilos> i can build a quad for that price
[20:02] <magespawn> so if you add all apple hardware then about R12000 to R14000, superfly?
[20:03] <Kilos> eeek
[20:03] <Kilos> but you can plug in other screens and keyboards hopefully
[20:04] <superfly> magespawn: your display alone is R17000
[20:04] <Kilos> haha you gonna battle with only one keyboard
[20:05] <superfly> it's cheaper to buy an iMac
[20:05] <Kilos> so having a mac is like an image statement
[20:05] <superfly> yes
[20:06] <Kilos> like mercedes drivers
[20:06] <Kilos> big debt but peeps look at you
[20:08] <Kilos> haha you cant tell peeps you got a mac. works great as a stand for your tablet
[20:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. i go dream about 14.04 with a working dlink modem
[20:46] <magespawn> funny thing to dream about, good night all


[09:47] <Hereuki> Hello , I am an ubuntu newbie and I need Help :)
[09:50] <Hereuki> I develop a GUI in c++ in ubuntu and what I want is to know how to use ntp
[09:51] <Hereuki> does anyone know how to use it ??
[10:09] <qwertzui11> Hereuki: what's ntp?
[10:10] <qwertzui11> network time protocol?
[10:13] <Hereuki> qwertzui11: yes
[10:14] <Hereuki> What I really like to do, is displaying time on my GUI
[10:15] <qwertzui11> why no use the time of the Operating system?
[10:15] <Hereuki> and also setting it
[10:15] <qwertzui11> ubuntu connets to an ntp server and syncs itself anyway, or doesn't it
[10:16] <qwertzui11> maybe this helps u: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9326677/is-there-any-c-c-library-to-connect-with-a-remote-ntp-server
[10:16] <qwertzui11> the link in the answer leads u to a client implementation unsing boost::asio
[10:17] <Hereuki> yes,but for to set time , I have to ask user if he want to connect automaticly to a time server or not
[10:19] <Hereuki> And I have to know the default state ( automatic or manual)
[10:20] <qwertzui11> ah, okay... sry don't know; but im sure someoe else knows; else u may wanna ask @ mailing list or http://askubuntu.com
[10:21] <Hereuki> qwertzui11: Ok,thanx


[04:05] <hyperair> ps -C compiz -o rsz=
[04:05] <hyperair> 1121348
[04:05] <hyperair> 1.12G of memory. well done \o/
[13:45] <brimble2010> Hey all, is this the room for papercuts/
[13:46] <brimble2010> I've taken my first one  but I am having trouble branching the code
[13:46] <spikeb> I would think so, but I don't know for certain.
[13:49]  * spikeb is a designer, not a developer. no clue about branching code :)
[14:09] <Andy80> hi all


[00:25] <apachelogger> valorie: <3
[00:43] <valorie> and this is me on Konvi Version 1.5-branch #4215 on my 32-bit netbook
[00:44] <valorie> time to get ready to see my daddy tonight
[01:48] <ScottK> I guess we need to decide if the vUDS thing is any better than getting together on Mumble again.
[03:18] <ScottK> In case anyone else noticed the whining on kubuntu-users about kdepim address autocompletion in KDE 4.10.2, I just cherrypicked the fix and uploaded to raring.  Someone who cares might want to update the PPAs too.
[04:55] <valorie> ScottK: what would be cool is if telepathy became good and reliable for us to us
[04:55] <valorie> our own tech
[04:55]  * valorie couldn't get mumble to work
[07:01] <Mirv> Riddell: have you got any further idea on the skype/qtwebkit issue?
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:23] <shadeslayer> skype/webkit issue? it works fine for me
[07:25] <lordievader> There were a couple of people lately with problems, Skype+Raring. (Works fine for me too ;))
[07:38] <apachelogger> dpm: heya, two more apps needing review https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+imports https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-firefox-installer/+imports
[07:39] <dpm> morning apachelogger, approved :)
[07:40] <apachelogger> <3 dpm
[07:40] <apachelogger> dpm: any idea when we would get to see the first langpack export?
[07:40] <apachelogger> we are very close to having a working localization again :D
[07:42] <dpm> apachelogger, I've had not much time to spend on translations this cycle. I'll see if I can block tomorrow to make it a translations day and look at it
[07:42] <apachelogger> dpm: this would be really awesome
[07:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: skype + qtwebkit 2.3 + proprietary graphics driver => SIGSEGV
[07:56] <shadeslayer> aha
[07:57] <shadeslayer> so it's a proprietary driver issue no?
[07:57] <yofel> well, downgrading qtwebkit works for all drivers
[07:57] <shadeslayer> h
[07:57] <yofel> and I don't believe they build against qtwebkit
[07:57] <shadeslayer> huh
[07:57] <yofel> the bt is crap though, so hardly debuggable
[07:57] <shadeslayer> so, RC works and final release doesn't?
[07:58] <yofel> no, 2.3 doesn't work, you need to install qtwebkit from 12.10
[07:58] <shadeslayer> oh
[07:58] <yofel> use that in raring and skype works fine
[07:59] <shadeslayer> using qtwebkit from 12.10 will be bad for the browsers :/
[07:59] <lordievader> Is it something that can be fixed in the 2.3 version of qtwebkit?
[07:59] <yofel> dunno, bug 1155327
[08:00] <lordievader> Hopefully it will be fixed before the release.
[08:06] <apachelogger> hm
[08:06] <apachelogger> I had audio
[08:06] <apachelogger> and then I didn't
[08:07] <apachelogger> ah yes
[08:07] <apachelogger> alsa
[08:07] <apachelogger> love of my life
[08:07] <apachelogger> it's like X11 except it's audio
[08:08] <lordievader> Hehe and to make it even better there is the combination of Alsa and Pulseaudio :D
[08:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas if we should still have this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_strigi_ram_detection.diff
[08:11] <shadeslayer> because it won't work
[08:11] <vHanda> shadeslayer: why don't you just fix the patch?
[08:11]  * shadeslayer wonders who authored that, no DEP 3
[08:11] <shadeslayer> vHanda: yeah, but the question is do we ship it or drop it
[08:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no strigiiii
[08:12] <shadeslayer> I don't know the reason why we added that patch
[08:12] <apachelogger> at the very leas the patchy name is wrong :P
[08:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, so theoretically the 1GB limit is crap
[08:13] <apachelogger> oh
[08:13] <apachelogger> ssl in python is broken
[08:13] <apachelogger> nice
[08:13] <shadeslayer> really? 0.o
[08:13] <apachelogger> takes forever and 3 days
[08:14] <apachelogger> or perhaps my pythonssl is broken
[08:14] <shadeslayer> well, I was getting weird errors
[08:14] <apachelogger> I blame alsa
[08:14] <shadeslayer> last night
[08:14] <apachelogger> you could have pasted the patch ya know :P
[08:14] <apachelogger> +    if (service->desktopEntryName() == "nepomukstrigiservice") {
[08:14] <apachelogger> that's wrong
[08:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patch needs changing to nepomukserver
[08:15] <shadeslayer> but do we really need the patch now
[08:15] <shadeslayer> because strigi is gone
[08:15] <apachelogger> I don't know, ask ScottK
[08:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^
[08:16] <shadeslayer> IMHO we can just drop it because indexing doesn't take up a boatload of RAM now
[08:16] <apachelogger> from the patch it seems that it was added to prevent nepomuk from running on systems with <= 1gib ram
[08:16] <apachelogger> well....
[08:16]  * vHanda would recommend some actual testing
[08:17] <apachelogger> I think vHanda should apply that upstream and reduce the value to something like 512mib
[08:18] <apachelogger> there is some usefulness to not having it use resources on weak systems
[08:18] <apachelogger> like say a netbook
[08:18] <apachelogger> though most netbooks have 1gib so that is probably where that value comes from
[08:18] <apachelogger> however...
[08:18] <vHanda> I doubt we will encounter many systems with 512 ram running kde
[08:19] <apachelogger> recent cheapo tablets also like to have 1gib
[08:19] <apachelogger> so
[08:19] <apachelogger> ...
[08:19] <apachelogger> roll a dice
[08:19] <vHanda> If you guys have some time to test out how much memory this new file indexer takes that would be awesome
[08:19] <vHanda> cause it should take a lot less, but I haven't done concrete testing
[08:20] <apachelogger> all nepomuks take 31mib it seems
[08:20] <apachelogger> being idle
[08:22] <valorie> I just read up, and noticed talk about getting to Bilbao
[08:22] <valorie> I'm planning to take the bus from Madrid
[08:22] <valorie> anyone else going to Madrid first?
[08:22] <shadeslayer> what's in Madrid?
[08:23] <apachelogger> a bus station :P
[08:23] <shadeslayer> lol
[08:24] <valorie> the Prado!
[08:24] <valorie> and a big airport, which is why I'll be there first
[08:24] <valorie> should be hotter than the hubs of hell
[08:25] <valorie> unfortunately
[08:25] <valorie> Bilbao will be nicer
[08:26] <yofel> seems like I can fly from stuttgart to bilbao directly
[08:27] <eos> hi vHanda .... do you mind a couple of questions? we have a long hanging at start on a production machine due to nepomukservices apparently .... we are talking about mayve 300 sec. 64 bit, kernel 3.5, kde 4.10.2, distribution kubuntu 12.10. Fairly stable.
[08:27] <vHanda> eos: shoot
[08:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: where did you book the accomodation? I still need to do that
[08:28] <vHanda> 12.10 = which kde version?
[08:28] <eos> vHanda: we do not understand where this hang up comes from. when the machine is shut down with no new files, the hang up happens all the same.
[08:28] <vHanda> yofel: shadeslayer: Aren't KDE e.V booking that?
[08:28] <eos> vHanda: it seems the indexeer is trying to index something that is not there.
[08:28] <yofel> vHanda: I don't get sponsored, so I probably need to take care about that myself?
[08:29] <vHanda> probably :)
[08:29] <vHanda> eos: I'll need to know which KDE version you're running
[08:29] <yofel> on that topic
[08:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's Blas de Ottero ( or something like that )
[08:29] <vHanda> also which process is the blocking one (the full process name, not just the executable name)
[08:29] <eos> vHanda: yes, I put it in my orignal message.
[08:29] <eos> vHanda: 64 bit, kernel 3.5, kde 4.10.2, distribution kubuntu 12.10. Fairly stable.
[08:29] <vHanda> ah
[08:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://akademy2013.kde.org/accommodation
[08:30] <vHanda> sorry. Okay. now I'm interested since it's 10.2
[08:30]  * apachelogger should look into travel organization tomorrow -.-
[08:31] <yofel> Riddell: any chance I could bill kubuntu at least for my flight costs? (some ~230€ from what I see)
[08:31] <vHanda> eos: lets take this over to #nepomuk-kde ?
[08:32] <eos> vHanda: ok!
[08:36] <apachelogger> oh
[08:36] <apachelogger> there is a bug!
[08:36] <apachelogger> NO
[08:36] <apachelogger> :@
[08:50] <starbuck1> ping Riddell
[08:52] <starbuck1> I can confirm with the latest beta2, the installer bug "the attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI2 (0,0,0) partition #5 (sda) at none failed" is there
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel do you guys have idea why user-manager is not in the seeds?
[08:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: not an adequate replacement for userconfig IMO
[08:53] <yofel> (yet)
[08:53] <shadeslayer> I see
[08:53] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: ^^
[08:53] <yofel> most notably: you cannot manage groups
[08:54] <yofel> and I don't want to replace userconfig with user-manager+kuser
[08:54] <shadeslayer> I don't think user-manager was ever targetted towards managing groups
[08:54] <apachelogger> yofel: is userconfig working?
[08:54] <yofel> well, how do you manage them? and don't dare to say CLI
[08:54] <shadeslayer> the entire point of user-manager was to be able to manager users in a very simple way
[08:54] <yofel> apachelogger: yes
[08:55] <shadeslayer> if you're managing groups, use userconfig/kuser
[08:55] <apachelogger> you do not manage user groups
[08:55] <apachelogger> !
[08:55] <shadeslayer> exactly
[08:55] <apachelogger> you manage users
[08:55] <apachelogger> who can be admin or user
[08:55] <yofel> sure, but you need to be able to add a user to a group
[08:55] <apachelogger> end of story :P
[08:55] <yofel> that's REALITY
[08:55] <apachelogger> no you don't
[08:55] <apachelogger> you need to be able to make a user admin
[08:55] <apachelogger> any other use case is some obscure geek crap
[08:55] <shadeslayer> yep
[08:56]  * apachelogger breaks grub2
[08:57] <valorie> "obscure geek crap"?
[08:57] <smartboyhw> UDS-1305 got announced.
[08:57] <valorie> don't you mean LINUX?
[08:57] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: surely you mean vUDS
[08:58] <valorie> I'm sorry, I mean GNU/Linux
[08:58] <apachelogger> lol
[08:58] <apachelogger> real geeks don't use linux anymore
[08:58] <apachelogger> it's gotten too mainstream
[08:58] <apachelogger> nowadays we cool kids use some bsd
[08:58] <yofel> right
[08:58] <apachelogger> alas, my laptop is not booting with bsd anymore :(
[08:58] <apachelogger> I broke something
[08:58] <shadeslayer> heh, I've been meaning to try out bsd
[09:00] <Riddell> hi starbuck1
[09:01] <Riddell> starbuck1: it's the same bug you pointed to yesterday?
[09:01] <valorie> I remember my son bemoaning how easy linux was getting to be
[09:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Yep.
[09:01] <valorie> it's like some obscure band which makes it big
[09:01] <valorie> the old fans bemoan the good old days
[09:02] <valorie> when the band was THEIRS
[09:02] <Riddell> yofel: coming to akademy?
[09:02] <yofel> Riddell: yep
[09:02] <lordievader> smartboyhw: The people with Skype problems in Raring are suffering from bug 1155327.
[09:03]  * yofel doesn't bemoan the good old days. groups are simply a part of linux permission management
[09:03] <Riddell> yofel: great, I'd be all for kubuntu paying for useful people's travel, that'll need to be proposed to the council
[09:03] <yofel> and unless we have a sane ACL implementation that won't change much
[09:04] <yofel> Riddell: true, I'll write up a mail once I get to it
[09:05] <apachelogger> yofel: we have that, it changes nothing
[09:06] <smartboyhw> lordievader: Not good:(
[09:06] <apachelogger> groups are a big part of any permission management
[09:06] <apachelogger> that does not mean they need to be managed by users
[09:06] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Yofel found a fix though, install Quantal's version of qtwebkit... :(
[09:06] <yofel> that's not a fix...
[09:07] <lordievader> Workaround then ;)
[09:07] <yofel> another thing would be to LD_PRELOAD mesa's libgl it seems
[09:07] <apachelogger> a tool needs not necessarily be used by users *and* sysadmins
[09:07] <yofel> which is freaky
[09:07] <apachelogger> in particular user management is something where you can have a simple tool for your actually common tasks like making someone admin so they can install new games or something
[09:08] <apachelogger> and at the same time a  sysadmin tool that can manage ldap and stuff
[09:09] <yofel> ok, so what do we do? use user-manager, remove user part of userconfig and rename it to group-manager?
[09:09] <apachelogger> userconfig is unmaintained
[09:09] <apachelogger> we'd have user-manager and we'd have kuser
[09:10] <yofel> then make a replacement. I just consider not being able to manage groups a regression (and no, I don't count konsole as a UI)
[09:10] <apachelogger> -.-
[09:10] <apachelogger> kuser
[09:10] <apachelogger> .
[09:10] <apachelogger> userconfig is a crap tool compared to kuser
[09:11] <yofel> hm
[09:11] <apachelogger> ldap support is a must-have for sysadmin user maangement
[09:11] <yofel> hm....
[09:11] <yofel> ...
[09:11] <smartboyhw> .:.….
[09:11] <yofel> :D
[09:12] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:12] <yofel> apachelogger making sense feels weird
[09:12] <smartboyhw> yofel: Why?
[09:12] <yofel> just talking rubbish
[09:12] <apachelogger> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/09/plasma-desktopYG2215.png
[09:12] <apachelogger> regarding ACL btw
[09:13] <apachelogger> no clue why ext doesn't enable it by default
[09:14] <afiestas_> well, we could hve dicussed this when we brought the topic in the mailist
[09:14] <afiestas_> (and it seemed that everybody agreed on user manager) or in UDS
[09:14] <yofel> @_@
[09:15] <apachelogger> [ubuntu/raring-proposed] grub2 2.00-13ubuntu3 (Accepted)
[09:15] <apachelogger> this is going to be fun
[09:15] <yofel> apachelogger: so what would be your plan, add user-manager and kuser instead of userconfig?
[09:16] <apachelogger> no kuser
[09:17] <apachelogger> why would you put kuser on the seed?
[09:18] <yofel> I'm currently trying to decide whether it's the intended procedure to have someone read the KDE admin manual to find out how to manage groups
[09:18] <yofel> otherwise people will never know about kuser
[09:19] <yofel> it doesn't feel very constistent to have dolphin manage group permissions, but not being able to manage those groups anywhere
[09:19] <yofel> *consistent
[09:20] <apachelogger> what's a use case?
[09:26] <Riddell> having a folder which is shared between several users?
[09:27] <yofel> was thinking about that, but you can do that in other ways too
[09:27] <Riddell> for home users I'd imagine the main use case is adding and deleting users
[09:27] <yofel> unless it really needs to be restricted to a specific group - which you would probably never do on a standalone system
[09:29] <yofel> apachelogger: I fear I stand beaten - except for the case of some retarded system service that needs a user in a specific group so it works
[09:43] <apachelogger> yofel: those services should then add it via postinst
[09:55] <yofel> apachelogger: just looked up the original discussion on the ML. We did talk about groups, but I can't see an actual decision on what to do
[09:56]  * yofel -> lunch
[10:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1164854 got screenshots now
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> \o/
[10:20] <lordievader> Looks good apachelogger :D
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: does that align with the lightdm/ksplash/plasma themes
[10:28] <Riddell> ?
[10:30] <shadeslayer> it's better than the gray stuff we currently have ;P
[10:32] <Riddell> what potential bugs could come from updating this?
[10:39]  * Riddell nudges apachelogger ⇈
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: doesn't align as we won't change the ones you mentioned, though the new boot artwork is pretty neutral colorwise so it will be less of a color clash than what we have now
[10:47] <apachelogger> potential bugs: broken plymouth splash
[10:49] <apachelogger> whoops, disconnected
[10:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get my reply?
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[10:49] <apachelogger> k
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a text only theme for plymouth?
[10:50] <apachelogger> ah yes
[10:50] <apachelogger> forgot to snapshot that
[10:50] <apachelogger> basically just black background with white colors for the rest
[10:51] <apachelogger> eh, black background, white name, blue dots (i.e. like the 16bit one)
[10:52]  * apachelogger needs to pitch about-distro to some other distros
[11:05] <apachelogger> hm
[11:07] <apachelogger> agateau_: I am wondering about perhaps allowing the about-distro config to overload the distro name
[11:07] <apachelogger> e.g. kubuntu-settings-desktop would override Ubuntu to Kubuntu; kubuntu-settings-active would overrride Kubuntu to Kubuntu Active
[11:08] <apachelogger> such that you could establish product branding ontop of the same platform
[11:14] <Riddell> popey: would it be snobby to suggest we only allow users who know their own e-mail address?
[11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: override /etc/lsb-release ?
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: how would it know where to look for the override?
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: it'd be config based
[11:19] <apachelogger> so regular settings cascade
[11:19] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-active has its own kcm-about-distrorc with Name=Kubuntu Active
[11:19] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-desktop has a kcm-about-distrorc with Name=Kubuntu
[11:20] <apachelogger> linux-mint-settings has kcm-about-distro with Name=Linux Mint KDE or something
[11:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: that could work
[11:20] <apachelogger> in a UI context that would nicely do away with the paltform vs. product problem of LSB
[11:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 1164854 approved!
[11:23] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:24] <apachelogger> <3
[11:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, what happened?:)
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Hmm digiKam 3.2.0-beta1 is out.
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Should we package it into Raring? (Probably not an good idea now)
[11:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: too late for beta things
[11:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: now calligra on the other hand...
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep:)
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn let me download:P
[11:25]  * smartboyhw packages calligra NOW
[11:26]  * apachelogger yawns NOW
[11:26] <Riddell> thanks :)
[11:26] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, lOL
[11:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm how do I receive updates for new calligra packaging? Seems no way to know:P
[11:27] <popey> Riddell: +1
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: they're posted to the top secret kde-packager list
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, grrr:P
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I think that needs a bug filed on b.k.o for sysadmin to subscribe you
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, b.k.o?
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: file one and I'll back you up
[11:28] <Riddell> bugs.kde.org
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1157280
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some strange things though. (Like Reproducibility or that:P)
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what should I set for severity?
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, I did that :(
[11:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just put junk in there
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did:P
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, severity = ?
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/02-add-print-manager.js ?
[11:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: as high as you dare
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't dare more than normal:P
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318083
[11:36] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:36] <yofel> sysadmin requests are private
[11:36] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah.
[11:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: hm
[11:36] <yofel> smartboyhw: added a todo for calligra somewhere?
[11:36] <yofel> just so we know who's working on it
[11:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, probably not. Trello board editing now:P
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah yes
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: works now
[11:37] <yofel> do we really need to use trello for that...
[11:37]  * apachelogger manages Riddell's trello cards now :O
[11:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :O
[11:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, erm anyway no problems I think
[11:39] <yofel> well, no, it's just that we now have like 3 locations where we track packaging todo's
[11:39]  * davmor2 wonders where the maniacal laughter is coming from, oh apachelogger has his mic on again :D
[11:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, we *should* make it centralized.
[11:41] <yofel> smartboyhw: there's a tradeoff between centralized, managable and consistency. We'll need to talk about that at Akademy
[11:42] <apachelogger> yofel: not a problem as long as they are all tracked on trello
[11:42] <apachelogger> just slab the links on the description
[11:43] <yofel> then put a link on the ninja pad that points people to the board in trello that they should look at
[11:45] <Riddell> when should trello be used and when a bug is an issue
[11:46] <Riddell> I have a todo item to sort out bugs needed for release
[11:46] <Riddell> but I'm not sure if they should go on trello or what
[11:47] <Riddell> shouldn't be a big issue, trello is just work items but slicker
[11:53] <apachelogger> IMO use trello whenver you have an work item that is not a bug *or* when you have a bug that needs fixing on multiple levels (or needs multiple steps to fix  in general) *or* you have an issue/bug that is of general interest to the team at large
[11:53] <apachelogger> glorified team todo
[11:55] <apachelogger> having a bug and a trello card is unavoidable at times though ... e.g. getting plymouth artwork changed required the team to make the changes and then the formal process of getting a freeze exception
[11:56] <apachelogger> so I suppose on a general note things that need formal documentation ought to go into bugs; that does however not mean that there cannot be a trello card as well
[11:56] <yofel> right, it makes perfect sense when you have multiple steps that you can define in advance
[11:56] <apachelogger> (bugs are technically not meant to be used as a means to trakc work items :))
[11:57] <yofel> they work pretty well though for package requests
[11:57] <apachelogger> yofel: mh, it's a matter of scaling really
[11:58] <apachelogger> you can have a big card with many steps
[11:58] <apachelogger> or many tiny cards
[11:58] <apachelogger> or many boards with many cards
[11:58] <yofel> how do you draw the line there?
[11:58] <apachelogger> you don't need to? :P
[11:58] <apachelogger> whatever works best...
[11:58] <yofel> for 4.10.2 I found the trello card to be pretty useless
[11:59] <apachelogger> e.g. if you wanted to track release packaging you could do that in a board
[11:59] <apachelogger> for columns you'd have the discrete state of a package
[11:59] <apachelogger> needs-upload; needs-building; built; needs-testing; whathaveyou...
[12:00] <apachelogger> you then move the cards (packages) from state to state
[12:00] <apachelogger> once all arrived in the good-to-publish column you are done
[12:00] <Riddell> ktp has stopped connecting to facebook and gtalk for me, should I be worried?
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: probably shadeslayer broke it? :P
[12:00] <yofel> gtalk works here, but took a while to connect
[12:00] <shadeslayer> works fine for me
[12:00] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :P
[12:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger broke it by releasing phonon
[12:01] <apachelogger> it's funny because I didn't
[12:01] <apachelogger> also it's sad because I didn't
[12:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde-telepathy is onlt 0.5.80?
[12:02] <apachelogger> also breaking kde4libs now
[12:02] <yofel> apachelogger: that in itself makes sense, but esp. for packaging I would like to have things where all people with permission to change a package can find the TODO
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the meta package wasn't updated, I don't think it's required to update that
[12:02] <yofel> and ubuntu's de-facto standard for that are bugs right now
[12:02] <yofel> the todo items are primarily meant for notes and to prevent duplicate work
[12:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it means if I want to get the latest kde-telepathy by installing kde-telepathy it doesn't update
[12:03] <apachelogger> yofel: as I said whatever works best
[12:03] <apachelogger> e.g. needs-packaging should not go to trello IMO
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whut? the meta package depends on >= 0.5.80
[12:04] <apachelogger> not only anyway
[12:04] <yofel> we need a page that explains what to use when and where to find it
[12:04] <yofel> todo for akademy
[12:04] <apachelogger> first we ought to discuss whether we are going to continue using trello :P
[12:05] <apachelogger> seeing as I am the only one using it excessively anyway :P
[12:05] <Riddell> it's a question of whether it's good enough to replace work items
[12:05] <Riddell> does it scale well to the number of WIs we have?
[12:05] <yofel> hey, I use it too, and shadeslayer I believe
[12:05] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, em we just used it for 1 or 2 months I think
[12:05] <shadeslayer> indeedly
[12:05] <shadeslayer> I use it as well
[12:06] <apachelogger> yofel: not as much as me :P
[12:06] <Riddell> oh and will other ubuntu teams get confused/annoyed by us not using the work items they're used to
[12:06] <apachelogger> <- quite the fanboy
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: WIs are broken, not our fault :P
[12:06] <Riddell> and it means we won't get pretty graphs of work items, but then do we care?
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding scaling though ... it really only depends on how we approach it
[12:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't:P
[12:06] <yofel> IMO they're more flexible than blueprints.  I would like a page that doesn't have broken links all over the page
[12:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm..
[12:07] <yofel> maybe they improved it, but my last impression of it was pretty much a static page
[12:07] <yofel> might as well make it a picture
[12:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, try the current one.
[12:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: so I believe what was a blueprint ought to be a board in trello, so per board you have some 10-20 work items which is stil fine
[12:08] <smartboyhw> It does update for us.
[12:08] <yofel> smartboyhw: got a link? forgot where it was
[12:08] <smartboyhw> status.ubuntu.com yofel
[12:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded meta-kde-telepathy
[12:08] <shadeslayer> needs approval probably
[12:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: another approach would be to replace a blueprint with a meta-card ... i.e. a card with a checklist of subitems, then whenver someone starts working on an item they tick it in the metacard and create a new card for that item
[12:09] <apachelogger> creation on-demand one coudl call that ^^
[12:09]  * apachelogger likes the multi-board approach better though
[12:09] <yofel> smartboyhw: for example: you have a work item related to studio and wubi. But if I click on your name there I end up on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+specs?role=assignee
[12:09] <yofel> that's obviously the wrong query
[12:10] <apachelogger> yofel: they are much more borken than that
[12:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, you said "You want to find a page that doesn't have broken links er well the main page isn't:P
[12:11] <yofel> ok, they seem to have fixed most of the rest of the page
[12:11] <apachelogger> hard to edt if there are loads of items
[12:11] <apachelogger> hard to find an item
[12:11] <apachelogger> cannot comment on an item
[12:11] <apachelogger> cannot use arbitrary states for an item
[12:11] <yofel> "cannot comment on an item" - THAT is true
[12:12] <apachelogger> cannot have properly assign more than one person
[12:12] <apachelogger> no history on items
[12:12] <yofel> can't you have the same workitem twice? with different assignees
[12:12] <apachelogger> can't tag items (Such that I could go show-me-all-programming-stuffz)
[12:12] <Mirv> shadeslayer: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-qt4 compiled at ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-staging has now something that at least starts
[12:12] <apachelogger> yofel: yes
[12:12] <apachelogger> yofel: now say you need to change that item
[12:13] <apachelogger> what will you have to do? :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> ...
[12:13] <smartboyhw> add oil on criticizing:P
[12:13] <yofel> go into an editing frenzy :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> say you have 4 assignees or more
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Hmm calligra went here already.
[12:13] <Mirv> and probably works as well, no reason not to. conflicts with normal qtcreator since it's not co-installable.
[12:14] <smartboyhw> here = my computer:P
[12:16] <shadeslayer> hurrah
[12:16] <shadeslayer> will test later
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do comment for me on the KDE sysadmin bug:)
[12:21]  * apachelogger looks at shadeslayer
[12:21] <shadeslayer> what
[12:21] <shadeslayer> what
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22078746
[12:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: turns out I'm not elite enough to see it
[12:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but they'll come to me anyway if you said it's for kubuntu
[12:22] <apachelogger> smartboyhw needs ot sub your bko address
[12:22] <apachelogger> or mine
[12:22] <apachelogger><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: about as ironic as IBM complaining about MS's monopoly
[12:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:
[12:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah :P
[12:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what is it?
[12:25] <apachelogger> I forgot!
[12:25] <shadeslayer> ...
[12:26] <apachelogger> it was something hawt
[12:26] <apachelogger> ah!
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you totally want to blog about our cool new boot artwork, don't you?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:27] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:27] <apachelogger> must I do everything myself...
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can, I need more +ve things on my blog
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: is it in yet?
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: got an accepted mail anyway
[12:27] <apachelogger> sec
[12:27] <apachelogger> no
[12:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: accepted into proposed and built
[12:29]  * apachelogger needs to prep debiancd and poke cj and fix rekonq and fix lightdm and fix screenlocking -.-
[12:29] <apachelogger> :@
[12:29] <apachelogger> actually looking may be fixed in .2 I reckon
[12:29] <apachelogger> s/looking/locking/
[12:29] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "actually locking may be fixed in .2 I reckon"
[12:31] <yofel> depends how you define "fixed"
[12:32] <yofel> or what was the broken part again?
[12:32] <yofel> (except having a password field when it's not actually locked)
[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, if you want you can also mention low-fat ugrades ... along with improvements inside kde software itself low-fat can now reduce memory consumption by up to 60%
[12:36] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/09/plasma-desktopxS2215.png
[12:36] <apachelogger> down from 370
[12:36] <apachelogger> s/upgrades/updates even
[12:37] <apachelogger> yofel: not locking at all
[12:37] <apachelogger> need to go afk to test :P
[12:37] <yofel> locks when I tell it to lock and when I suspend
[12:37] <Riddell> mck182: has libkfacebook disappeared from akonadi-facebook?
[12:37] <yofel> but I think I never noticed it being broken in the first place
[12:38] <yofel> (or misunderstood what the issue is)
[12:38] <mck182> Riddell: yeah, long time ago :)
[12:38] <yofel> oh wait, I think I remembered
[12:38] <mck182> that whole thing is now deprecated
[12:38] <Riddell> mck182: deprecated but still needed separately for 4.10?
[12:38] <mck182> Riddell: yeah, but fwiw kubuntu is the only distro actually shipping it
[12:39] <mck182> (and netrunner)
[12:39] <Riddell> mck182: do we still want to ship it?
[12:39] <Riddell> I expect Mint KDE ships it too :)
[12:39] <mck182> Riddell: it's not much usefull atm, plus you'll have to deal with kdepim 4.11 which will introduce conflicts I guess
[12:40] <mck182> but I don't think that will be a big problem ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> mck182: the current snapshot we have is 20120712, do we want to update that?
[12:40] <mck182> that snapshot still require libkfacebook right?
[12:40] <Riddell> mck182: yes
[12:41] <mck182> Riddell: well, you can upgrade it, yes, it will just require libkfbapi
[12:41] <mck182> which is in extragear
[12:41] <Riddell> hmm
[12:42] <apachelogger> yofel: it doesn't lock on afk
[12:42] <apachelogger> the lock screen is there
[12:42] <apachelogger> but it simply goes away on activity
[12:42] <yofel> just tried it. If I enable "require password after X seconds", it locks. If that's disabled it won't *lock* but display the password screen
[12:43] <apachelogger> ohm
[12:43] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm
[12:43] <mck182> Riddell: libkfbapi is libkfacebook 2.0, many many improvements and fixes
[12:43] <mck182> actually I think I should probably release it
[12:43] <mck182> somehow
[12:43] <yofel> so it does lock if you tell it to lock
[12:43] <apachelogger> yofel: 1. wtf 2. wtf 3. wtf 4. wtf 5. why is it not enabled by default?
[12:43] <yofel> dunno what the default is, lemme fire up a live disk
[12:43] <apachelogger> what exactly is the point of displaying a *lock* screen without being locked
[12:43] <apachelogger> dafuq
[12:44] <yofel> well, that's the broken part. Still there in .2
[12:45] <apachelogger> so silly
[12:47] <yofel> wow, rendering is utterly broken in qemu
[12:48] <apachelogger> it's the weird defautl driver
[12:48] <apachelogger> if you tell qemu to use another one it works better for me
[12:48] <yofel> maybe just the new mesa from x-staging
[12:49] <yofel> need to test that again later
[12:49] <apachelogger> nah the qemu driver emulation is crap for whatever it uses by default, messing up resolution hinting to the guest or something
[12:50] <apachelogger> so the guest renders at 800x600 or something while the window is 1280 or whatever
[12:50] <yofel> I mean this level of broken: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/kvm_live.png
[12:50] <yofel> but here's the locker defaults http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/locker_setting.png
[12:50] <yofel> broken too
[12:51] <apachelogger> oy
[12:51] <apachelogger> ok that is excessively broken
[12:51] <apachelogger> those 15 minutes are also fun
[12:52] <apachelogger> so I am thinking 5 minutes + 10 (maybe 15) seconds until lock
[12:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger I will subscribe BOTH:P
[12:57] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, done for you.
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Not sure which address for Riddell though.
[12:57] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, done
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thanks:)
[13:10] <smartboyhw> -- The following OPTIONAL packages could NOT be located on your system.
[13:10] <smartboyhw> -- Consider installing them to enable more features from this software.
[13:10] <smartboyhw> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[13:10] <smartboyhw>    * OCIO  <http://www.opencolorio.org>
[13:10] <smartboyhw>      The OpenColorIO Library
[13:10] <smartboyhw>      Required by the Krita LUT docker
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Hmm do we have that in our packaging!?
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Turns out: There are PPAs but not the official one.
[13:13] <smartboyhw> s/official one/official archive/
[13:13] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Turns out: There are PPAs but not the official archive."
[13:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, too late to get it in official repos right?
[13:17] <apachelogger> re
[13:17] <smartboyhw> re?
[13:19] <apachelogger> spaceships!
[13:19] <smartboyhw> ;O
[13:19] <apachelogger> reviewboard started working again, so magic
[13:20] <smartboyhw> XD
[13:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109927/
[13:31] <apachelogger> ah right
[13:32] <apachelogger> 2 empty lines between functions
[13:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I remember why I liked rekonq so much
[13:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:35]  * BluesKaj finds it difficult to like rekonq ..must be joking :)
[13:35] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, :)
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: #include <krecentdirs.h>
[13:36] <shadeslayer> pretty headers?
[13:37] <apachelogger> doesn't have one
[13:37] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[13:37] <apachelogger> it's super internal spooky shit
[13:37] <shadeslayer> fix it?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:40] <smartboyhw> DAMN IT
[13:40] <apachelogger> if reviewboard wasn't so slow -.-
[13:40]  * smartboyhw has to add another package and re-upload the whole calligra-l10n
[13:40]  * apachelogger is suer hungry
[13:41] <apachelogger> omnomnom suer
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you broke reviewboard again -.-
[13:41] <shadeslayer> I most certainly did not
[13:41] <apachelogger> why is it not doing no nothing then
[13:42] <shadeslayer> it doesn't like you
[13:42] <apachelogger> why that would be outragous
[13:42] <apachelogger> apparently one is nonly allowed to submit one review per day
[13:42] <apachelogger> very nice
[13:43]  * apachelogger gives up
[13:43] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/719954/
[13:43] <apachelogger> in case anyone cares for a working rekonq
[13:43]  * apachelogger out
[13:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it would need a good excuse
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I need an FFe for this I think
[13:45] <smartboyhw> New turkish translation.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> No need for UIFe though (I think)
[13:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for the new calligra version?  it's just bugfix no?
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, new 2.6.3.
[13:46] <smartboyhw> I didn't upload for 2.6.2 because the cavalencia translations went MIA and it needed a fix...
[13:46] <smartboyhw> And now we already got 2.6.3.
[13:46] <yofel> so calligra-l10n needs a ffe?
[13:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah:(
[13:46]  * smartboyhw hates filing FFeS.....
[13:46] <yofel> because of a new package?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> yofel, because of a new translation yes.
[13:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: new translations aren't a feature
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh!?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:48] <yofel> Riddell: it would be if it needs to pass binary NEW
[13:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep.
[13:48] <yofel> that's what I think he means at least
[13:50] <Riddell> hmm well I'd just approve it
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/calligra-l10n_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc (finally I don't have to file a bug and attach each orig.tar.bz2 to the bug, phew, I have been stupid before three times)
[13:52] <yofel> wait
[13:52] <yofel> I'll upload, then Riddell can approve
[13:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: how's calligra itself doing?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, building to see what will happen to dh_install --list-missing
[13:53] <smartboyhw> So I can add back the files!!!
[13:53] <yofel> good
[13:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: add back what files?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some files that are new but didn't get into the .install files.
[13:55] <smartboyhw> I need to check.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Building at 72%.
[13:56]  * smartboyhw really likes -j4
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> question. I've found this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317387 and it does not manifest if I build kmail from source, but it manifests on the kmail installed by default in kubuntu. why is that, and how can I fix it?
[13:59] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, do you build from master or?
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> yes, master
[14:00] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, may not be as the same version as in Kubuntu.......
[14:00] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: can you please try to build the KDE/4.10 branch?
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try again
[14:00] <yofel> that's essentially what we have, so that should tell whether it's our fault or not
[14:01] <yofel> which reminds me that we need to import that completion patch
[14:02] <smartboyhw> yofel, that dget -x message should be targetted at you instead now (since you are uploading instead of Riddell )
[14:02] <yofel> I know
[14:04] <yofel> smartboyhw: changelog is incomplete http://paste.kde.org/719972
[14:04] <yofel> if you add a -tr package, please do say so
[14:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, um I need to re-upload then (again) :(
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Third time.
[14:05]  * smartboyhw is running out of PPAs to use.
[14:05] <yofel> just stuff it on people.ubuntu.com then
[14:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, never used it.... Will need some time.
[14:08] <yofel> smartboyhw: what for? all you need is sftp and your ssh key that's on launchpad
[14:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, I know.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Will need some time to upload:P
[14:08] <yofel> ah :D
[14:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, can we dput into people.ubuntu.com? (LOL)
[14:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not it's sftp access
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, that's why it's extremely sad
[14:10] <Riddell> dolphin does it nicely
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Whoa look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~unit193/pisg/kubuntu.html
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yofel doesn't need the binaries
[14:10] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, you king.
[14:10] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:10] <yofel> hum, dput does support sftp... so feel free to try to figure it out
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, anyway: Maybe I just change the kubuntu-packaging branch? (/me hasn't uploaded to it yet.)
[14:11] <yofel> drat, I'm ranked lower than ubottu :'(
[14:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[14:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, would you be unhappy if I just add that + tr translation line to the kubuntu-packaging calligra branch?
[14:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: no
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh well :)
[14:16] <yofel> smartboyhw: wait, calligra-l10n has no branch
[14:16] <yofel> I'll just add it
[14:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, :O
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Analyzing the --list-missing thing
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Quite clean.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> :O
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Only some needs to be added.
[14:25] <agateau_> apachelogger: sorry was away, overloading distro name makes sense to me
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Only 4!
[14:25] <smartboyhw> More ;O given.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Very easy this time it seems.
[14:26] <smartboyhw> yofel, dget -x http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/calligra-l10n_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc (hopefully it does pull all the files)
[14:28] <yofel> smartboyhw: worked
[14:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/
[14:28] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calligra-l10n (raring-proposed/universe) [1:2.6.1-0ubuntu1 => 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Uh why is it in ubuntu-desktop?:)
[14:29] <Riddell> they're secret calligra fans
[14:29] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:29] <smartboyhw> That's awesome!
[14:29] <Riddell> note: may be untrue
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:32] <Riddell> Mirv: quite some missing symbols http://paste.kde.org/719978/
[14:33] <Riddell> Mirv: but would missing symbols really cause a crash in skype that could be worked out with pre-loading libGL?
[14:34] <smartboyhw> More happily: All of the 4 files come from calligraplan.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> whaaa
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> who did you say was in charge of telepathy?
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> should I ask about that here or in #kde or #kde-vevel
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[14:45] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: depends what you mean by incharge?
[14:45] <Riddell> the packaging
[14:46] <Riddell> the kde coding
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> coding
[14:46] <Riddell> actual telepathy coding
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> so #kde-devel
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[14:46] <Riddell> d_ed is a useful sort on #k-d
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[14:48] <Riddell> d_ed is a useful sort on #kde-devel
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't understand you do you mean by "is a useful sort"
[14:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: he is a useful person when it comes to telepathy issues
[14:51] <ovidiu-florin> ahaaaaa
[14:51] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> smartboyhw: thank you
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, don't thank me. Thank Riddell.
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> the first thanks is for Riddell
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> the second one if for helping me undestanf what Riddell sayd
[14:54] <Riddell> mck182: libkfbapi misses a cmake check for libboost
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> said
[14:54] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:56] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Hello lordievader
[15:01] <shadeslayer> xnox: someone just informed me that the Kubuntu ISO wipes out the efi partition
[15:01] <shadeslayer> whereas the Ubuntu ISO does not
[15:02] <xnox> shadeslayer: fun. well please collect logs and file a bug =)
[15:03] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you doing?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I've asked the person to do that
[15:03] <smartboyhw> lordievader, :)
[15:03] <mck182> Riddell: boost? it does not use boost asaik
[15:03] <mck182> *afaik
[15:04]  * smartboyhw is uploading calligra 2.6.3 to PPA.
[15:04] <Riddell> mck182: obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/libkfbapi/CMakeFiles/kfbapi.dir/CXX.includecache:boost/shared_ptr.hpp
[15:04] <Riddell> mck182: something is generated which does
[15:04] <Riddell> mck182: also qjson could do with one
[15:04] <mck182> hm
[15:04] <mck182> qjson probably might, yeah
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm would an update of icecc from 0.9.8 to 1.0.0 need an FFe (just asking)
[15:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: depends if it has new features
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, biggest one: out-of-the-box support for Clang.
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> can I ask here? I'm trying to build kdepim. ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in....
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> what am I missing?
[15:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: kdelibs5-dev
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> okm thank you
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, does it need an FFe then?
[15:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yep
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK....., grr:(
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: and it won't get one unless there's a good reason
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, which that OOBE thing is one:P
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pardon?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, which the out-of-the-box feature needs an FFe....
[15:26] <smartboyhw> The good reason
[15:26] <Riddell> oh clang, can't say I've felt that as being a must have feature for 13.04
[15:27] <Riddell> mck182: this a good description?
[15:27] <Riddell>  LibKFBAPI (previously called LibKFacebook) is a C++ library that implements APIs
[15:27] <Riddell>  for various Facebook services.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well I don't think that will be an issue if we update it.
[15:27] <mck182> Riddell: perfect :) oh and the lib name is LibKFbAPI (non-capital b)
[15:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc and review. Tell me if I got anything wrong please;)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Clearly, I don't like this: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+participation
[15:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: +usr/lib/kde4/planconvert/PlanConvert.jar
[15:40] <Riddell> !
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what's the problem?
[15:40]  * smartboyhw thought it is OK since it is not in debian/not-installed
[15:41] <Riddell> calligra has started shipping java binary blobs :(
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um yep.......
[15:42] <Riddell> java binary blobs make baby buddha cry
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[15:43] <yofel> translated: they're not dfsg compliant ^^
[15:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, +1
[15:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: presumably you have java installed?
[15:44] <Riddell> else it doesn't get installed
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eek clearly I forgotten to do a build-dep on that
[15:45] <Riddell> you don't want to!
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought most Ubuntu distros have openjdk on it
[15:45] <smartboyhw> But I use pure Oracle JDK 8
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Sorry:(
[15:45] <Riddell> well good you spotted this, it's an upstream issue
[15:45] <yofel> smartboyhw: the point is not to use java at all here
[15:45] <smartboyhw> yofel, yes I agree
[15:45] <yofel> smartboyhw: at least not while the jar isn't built at runtime - or is it?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel I will post in the Calligra mailing list to complain
[15:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, um lemme check.
[15:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: point out (politely) it's against KDE's licence policy
[15:46] <Riddell> yofel, smartboyhw: there's no source
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[15:46] <agateau_> just curious, what are they using java for?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will:)
[15:46] <smartboyhw> agateau_, some sort of things in Calligraplan
[15:47] <agateau_> ok
[15:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm hang on
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Don't tell me it IS compiled...
[15:48] <Riddell> +PlanConverts classes is generated from the plan.dtd file using the script: generatedtdclasses
[15:49]  * shadeslayer waves fist at launchpad
[15:49]  * yofel passes shadeslayer a cup of coffee
[15:49] <smartboyhw> And anyway if anyone wants build logs, the builds at my PPA are starting within 13 min for i386 and 24 for amd64
[15:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what happened!?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to launchpadlibrarian.net:443
[15:50] <yofel> lol
[15:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it does seem to have everything there so I guess it's dfsg and kde licence happy
[15:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but we don't install java by default so I'll undo your changes
[15:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK:)
[16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan: I can't connect to facebook or gtalk with telepathy, should I be worried?
[16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan: the configure dialogue is taller than my monitor
[16:07] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:07] <shadeslayer> to the debug mobile!
[16:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://community.kde.org/KTp/FAQ#Providing_debug
[16:13] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/720104/
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: presumably you can connect?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> facebook yes, I haven't added google
[16:15] <shadeslayer> because I need to generate an application password for that and I'm too lazy to do that :P
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 09/04/13 17:12:39.716721 - [gabble/tls] gabble_tls_certificate_reject (tls-certificate.c:294): Reject() called on the TLS certificate with rejections 0x1552e80, length 0; current state 0
[16:16] <Riddell> isn't it just your normal google login?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I have 2 step auth
[16:16] <ovidiu-florin> what package provides the boost libraries?
[16:16] <ovidiu-florin> I found a lot of them
[16:16] <shadeslayer> so I have to generate a separate app specific password
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: for raring it's 1.49
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> I've installed libboost-dev
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> which installed libboost1.49-dev
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> but cmake still says that boost is missing
[16:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: there's other boost packages
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oh?
[16:18] <Riddell> so depends on what it's asking for
[16:18] <shadeslayer> yeah ^
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to build akonadi and cmake says that Boost was not found
[16:19] <shadeslayer> 09/04/13 17:12:39.960073 - [gabble/connection] connector_error_disconnect (connection.c:1772): connection failed: WOCKY_AUTH_ERROR_FAILURE (#6): Client aborted authentication.
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you sure your password is correct?
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: same one logs me into gmail fine
[16:21] <shadeslayer> d_ed: hey, so, Riddell is having issues connecting to GTalk/Facebook
[16:21] <shadeslayer> d_ed: http://paste.kde.org/720104/ debug log
[16:21] <shadeslayer> and I see : 09/04/13 17:12:39.959986 - [wocky] auth_failed: wocky-sasl-auth.c:274: Authentication failed!: Client aborted authentication.
[16:23] <d_ed> issues with both GTalk and Facebook?
[16:23] <d_ed> oh, whoever has that pastebin has Empathy installed
[16:23] <Riddell> d_ed: yep
[16:24] <Riddell> d_ed: is that bad?
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: any ideas? http://paste.kde.org/720110/http://paste.kde.org/720110/
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: any ideas? http://paste.kde.org/720110/
[16:24] <d_ed> somewhat. Whatever your problem is it's almost certainly caused by Empathy being mental.
[16:27] <Riddell> d_ed: damn, you're right
[16:27] <Riddell> d_ed: whyever would empathy affect it? isn't it all the same telepathy in the back?
[16:30] <d_ed> yeah
[16:30] <d_ed> however, there's two problems.
[16:30] <d_ed> 1) passwords are done by the application
[16:30] <d_ed> so telepathy says "who can give me a password for this account?"
[16:30] <d_ed> then we both race to answer
[16:31] <d_ed> I think it's whoever is installed last wins
[16:31] <d_ed> obvioulsy only one of us actually has it
[16:31] <yofel> Riddell: bug 1165408
[16:31] <d_ed> 2) when I was trying it, tesitng something for afiestas, Empathy started meddling with my accounts for "gnome online accounts"
[16:31] <d_ed> not really sure what it was
[16:32] <d_ed> theoretically everything works together, in practice they both start attacking each other
[16:32] <d_ed> brilliant 8-)
[16:32] <Riddell> ug, nasty
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> (still no one answered) wich boost package should I install?
[16:33] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it depends on what it needs
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> how can I tell?
[16:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: apt-cache search libboost dev 1.49
[16:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what's it asking for?
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> it just says the boost C++ libraryes
[16:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: there must be a compile failure if nothing more useful
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> it also says "(program_options)" is that relevant?
[16:35] <Riddell> no idea, depends on the context
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> http://paste.kde.org/720122/
[16:36] <Riddell> yofel: hmm
[16:37] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: try libboost-program-options-dev then
[16:37] <Riddell> yofel: yeah missing its Replaces: kubuntu-firefox-installer
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> it worked, thank you
[16:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: better to use libboost-program-options1.49-dev
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the one yofel mentionned is a dummy package
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> it points to this one
[17:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: tell chris
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: what was the option to pass to apt to enable debug info about pkg-resolver?
[18:21] <yofel> -o DEBUG::PkgProblemResolver=true
[18:25] <shadeslayer> thx
[18:54] <Darkwing> Changing the grub entry from Ubuntu to Kubuntu GNU/Linux was brilliant. Bravo
[20:18] <bmw> KDE or Ubuntu bug? Date/Time settings, time zone setting in GUI reverts to UTC. Have to use CLI to correct time zone.
[21:24] <Mamarok> bmw: no idea how that happens, markey has the same problem on 13.04 beta1, KDE 4.10.1. I have never seen it on my installation, but I have several timezones defined, inlcuding UTC, he only had a non-UTC one
[21:25] <Mamarok> I haven't seen that reported in #kde so far, somight be Kubuntu specific, I just don't know how to debug
[23:47] <smartboyhw> One interesting thing: Although calligra builds in the Ubuntu archive, it doesn't build in my own PPA...
[23:48] <smartboyhw> \o/ I (just) got added into kde-packagers mailing list.


[03:37] <tsimonq2> pleia2: really tired tonight, I'll finish up tomorrow afternoon as I have the day free
[03:38] <tsimonq2> (I'll finish the leftover summaries)
[17:26] <pleia2> tsimonq2: thanks
[19:07] <ahoneybun> heyo pleia2 :)
[19:07] <ahoneybun> I see your online
[19:08] <pleia2> hey ahoneybun
[22:12] <tsimonq2> when I come back in like an hour and a half, I'll finish up summaries
[22:12] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Unity 8 has been giving me some...trouble that I sorted out and that took up my afternoon :P


[16:33] <DanRabbit> Hey goodmorning, anybody around that can move/rename a project?
[16:33] <cjwatson> DanRabbit: yes, but please file a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad for tracking
[16:34] <cjwatson> that's where we take project change requests like that
[16:34] <DanRabbit> okay thank you, I will
[16:35] <DanRabbit> cjwatson: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/270643
[16:37] <cjwatson> done
[16:38] <DanRabbit> Thank you!
[16:38] <cjwatson> (note my reply, ~tintou at least may need to be kept informed)
[16:39] <DanRabbit> Yep, I'm in Slack with him right now
[16:39] <cjwatson> ok
[16:39] <DanRabbit> thanks again :)


[01:06] <bonelifer> I have a long standing FE/BE install. I just installed a s/be on a another computer it shows the recordings from the s/be in the Frontend on the combined install, but won't play it. just sort of freezes
[02:02] <qwebirc18997> I'm running mythbuntu 10.04 sound was working, now no audio when playing back a recording, VLC audio works fine.  The box is in production, currently recording "The Bachelor"!, so non-evasive configuration is wanted...thanks.
[02:02] <tgm4883> qwebirc18997, do you have pulseaudio installed?
[02:09] <qwebirc18997> I did.
[02:11] <qwebirc18997> I have a nvidia GT2XX video card using HDMI audio.  VLC audio works.
[02:11] <tgm4883> qwebirc18997, what changed between when it didn't work and when it does?
[02:12] <qwebirc18997> Unfortunately I'm not sure, I had to replace my router and gigabit switch, so I had to reconfigure the backend IP address, other than that I'm not sure how the audio config got botched up.
[02:13] <qwebirc18997> No audio out using Chrome flash youtube videos either...
[02:14] <tgm4883> qwebirc18997, my guess is, that since it works outside of mythtv (in vlc) that all you need to do is go to the mythtv frontend audio config and select the right output
[02:18] <qwebirc39183> I've tried just about every combination in the frontend setup...still no luck.
[02:21] <qwebirc39183> How would I got about getting Pulse audio reconfigured?
[02:21] <tgm4883> qwebirc39183, I don't think mythtv works with pulseaudio
[02:21] <tgm4883> pretty sure not in 10.04
[02:21] <qwebirc39183> k.
[02:23] <qwebirc39183> I installed alsamixergui it throws an error when I tried to run it.
[02:25] <tgm4883> what error?
[02:26] <qwebirc39183> alsamixer function snd_mixer_load failed invalid argument
[02:29] <tgm4883> qwebirc39183, weird, can you load alsamixer from the cmd line?
[02:31] <qwebirc96084> command line doesn't work either.
[11:44] <Shadow__X> was pixelation in the http stream fixed in .25-fixes?
[16:22] <qwebirc26902> Just upgraded a couple of my boxes to 12.10 and have a couple questions / statements
[16:23] <qwebirc26902> I've upgraded on of these boxes from 11.04....I did the lightdm switch at 11.10....gdm was still left behind and upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 brought back pulseaudio....I tracked it down to gdm still being installed but not in use
[16:24] <qwebirc26902> I removed gdm and pulseaudio any everything is back to normal....just wondering if there's a way to prevent this
[16:26] <qwebirc26902> My second comment is mythweb is broken going from 12.04 to 12.10...I needed to remove the & on line 50 of /usr/share/mythtv/bindings/php/MythBase.php and restart apache2....is this a mythbuntu bug or a myth bug?
[16:33] <qwebirc26902> Oh....I'm on myth 0.25 for all of this
[22:59] <qwebirc94248> iv just installed mythbuntu on a computer,im having trouble on install drivers for my graphics card please help


[19:51] <Trinidad> does anyone know how to install a modem in ubuntu.  i can get it to work in windows but not ubuntu