[00:32] <Riddell> nhandler: err?
[00:34] <nhandler> Riddell: See the email that went out to ubuntu-irc a little over a week ago. All uncommented bans in the bantracker are being removed. They can be re-added if necessary (with comments)
[00:36] <Riddell> hmm, sounds dangerous
[00:44] <maco> Riddell: full banlists are dangerous too :) then new bans cant be added when needed
[00:45] <maco> meanwhile very old bans...people probably gave up after a year or two...
[00:45] <Riddell> maybe but old bans isn't the same as bans that I can't be bothered to add a commet on (which is everyone I ban)
[00:45]  * maco points to the bit about email
[00:46] <maco> also...ubottu pm's you for a comment every time you ban
[00:47] <Riddell> humbug  Msgs:10908 New:1889 <-- my e-mail.  and I'm pretty sure I'm not subscribed to ubuntu-irc.  and I ignore ubottu
[00:48]  * maco thinks these excuses are your fault to start with
[00:49] <Riddell> you could be right there
[00:49] <maco> nhandler: the general bans we have on naughty words are being skipped over, right?
[00:49] <Riddell> bans on naughty words?
[00:50] <maco> there are bans in some channels that are like a swearword!*@*
[00:50] <maco> i know #ubuntu has a ton
[00:50] <maco> and *why* do you have 1889 new messages?
[00:51] <maco> i have a few hundred unread mails, but they're umm...bugmail... and overly-chatty mailing lists from local computer clubs
[00:51] <Riddell> I guess I won't know until I get around to reading them
[00:51] <maco> theyre *not* in my inbox
[00:51] <maco> hmm playing with e coli
[00:51] <maco> laptop going away
[00:51] <Riddell> oh I don't even look at any of the filtered out e-mail boxes
[00:52] <valorie> so I guess emailing you is NOT the way to get your attention, Riddell?
[00:52] <nhandler> maco: If they had comments, then yes.
[00:52] <Riddell> valorie: depends if you can accept a two month round trip
[00:52]  * nhandler is just going by the db export he was given
[01:20] <ScottK> Qt test build on the arm box succeeded.  No trouble at all once I had enough room.
[01:25] <ScottK> Riddell: The build took about 23 and a half hours so slightly faster than the buildds.
[01:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[01:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I could build Qt in less than a day on our box, so I think we can do anything....
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> nice
[01:27] <ScottK> Of course I had to go buy a 16GB USB stick and mount it as /var/cache to have the space to do it ....
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:03] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195428 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files in 2 dirs) Flesh out the Category class. The AvailableView is temporarily being used to test it pending a CategoryModel, and at the moment only can show top-level categories.
[02:21] <dasKreech> ScottK: Lol nice
[02:21] <dasKreech> I had a friend who did that with Vista
[02:28] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195430 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/categories.xml More icons
[02:31] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AvailableView.cpp CategoryModel/Category.cpp) Subcategory support
[02:32] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195435 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AvailableView.cpp SVN_SILENT: Old comment
[02:43] <valorie> Riddell: my cloak didn't change -- who should I ping about that?
[02:43] <valorie> and how about my email -- I never heard anything about that
[03:13] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195439 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Invalidate an Application when there is no package. Usually this happens when a package is removed, but app-install-data hasn't been refreshed since, leaving a syntactically correct but invalid Application pointer.
[09:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: nah, I'm soon to finishing it hopefully, I just have to check with missing files
[09:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: should be interesting how much faster icecreaming makes it
[09:55] <Quintasan> hmm
[10:11] <Riddell> valorie: I don't know about cloaks you need to ask an irc person
<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should work if you have an e-mail in launchpad
[10:16] <valorie> ah, cool
[10:16] <valorie> @ubuntu.org works, but kubuntu.org would be cooler
[10:16] <valorie> :-)
[10:16] <Riddell> it'll be @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org
[10:18] <valorie> ooo, right
[10:18] <valorie> ubuntu.com works, and I'm trying kubuntu.org
[10:20]  * Quintasan is formatting his system
[10:20] <Quintasan> brg
[10:24] <Quintasan_Droid> Riddell: I <3 the new installer, to who I should send beer?
[10:25] <Tm_T> for me, as I won't drink
[10:25] <Tm_T> this way the beer would be preserved to future generations museums
[10:27] <Quintasan_Droid> Well, preserving beer for future is useless, Polish IT students will find you sooner or later :)
[10:27] <valorie> yay, kubuntu.org works too
[10:28] <Quintasan_Droid> Some students go as far to call it "liquid bread"
[10:28] <Quintasan_Droid> Gah, the partman is slow as always :/
[10:34] <Sput> Quintasan_Droid: that is quite literally true. monks invented (dark, heavy, strong) beer in order to survive the Lent
[10:35] <Sput> so they weren't allowed to eat for 40 days, they drank beer instead
[10:35] <Quintasan_Droid> :O
[10:35] <Sput> there's a reason the strongest and darkest beers come from monasteries up to this day
[10:35] <Sput> oh, and also of course there's a reason there's (or used to be) at least one brewery next to any church in Europe
[10:36]  * Quintasan_Droid had absolutely no idea about that
[10:37] <Sput> well, of course it wasn't the monks who really invented it (beer is much older than the church), but it was the monasteries in the middle ages who brought it to the masses
[10:37] <Sput> besides its nutritional value, it also is quite clean of bacteria and other bad stuff that often spoiled the drinking water back in those times
[10:38] <Quintasan_Droid> ...
[10:38] <Sput> so even kids drank beer in the middle ages, because it was a nice way to avoid getting sick from bad water and spoiled grains
[10:38] <Quintasan_Droid> Why the hell I cant unselect Encrypt home directory during installation?
[10:40] <Quintasan_Droid> Riddell: any idea? ^
[10:43] <al> now everyone's wondern what country you might be from, Sput :>
[10:44] <jussi> we all know Sput is a crazy german :P
[10:44] <al> wondering* - and …not
[10:44] <Sput> I just know my history!
[10:44] <al> and your future, so to say
[10:44] <al> :D
[10:44] <valorie> I thought sputnik was shot into space by the Russkies?
[10:44] <Quintasan_Droid> Lol :D
[10:44] <al> this one bounced back
[10:45] <Sput> I'm "sputnick". not "sputnik"
[10:45] <Sput> li'l difference
[10:46] <valorie> curly space junk on your nick?
[10:46] <Quintasan_Droid> Brrr, Polish translation of installer slides is has two errors.
[10:47] <valorie> sput, I recently saw: http://mark.kollide.net/markey_sputbeard.jpg
[10:47] <valorie> courtesy of guess who
[10:47] <valorie> :-)
[10:47] <Sput> yeah, I know that pic
[10:48] <Sput> I also was a witness of him getting that tatoo
[10:48]  * Quintasan_Droid adds that to his Todo
[10:48] <Sput> holding his hands and stuff
[10:48] <Sput> making him drunk before he did it too
[10:48] <Sput> with good old German Glühwein
[10:56] <Riddell> Quintasan_Droid: no, sounds like a bug
[11:00] <valorie> niters all
[11:06] <Quintasan_Droid> Grrrrrr
[11:07] <Quintasan_Droid> If my data is going to get encrypted then I will be very angry
[11:11] <Sput> valorie: it's btw called "sputbeard" because markey tried emulating my beard and failed spectacularly
[11:11] <Sput> ... he looked stupid, while I look hot with it
[11:13] <Quintasan_Droid> Lol
[11:14] <Quintasan_Droid> That damn timer is great
[11:14] <Quintasan_Droid> Downloading packages (remaining time 0:59)
[11:14] <markey> wut
[11:14] <Quintasan_Droid> And I went to toilet, now it is 13:21
[11:14] <Quintasan_Droid> Wtf
[11:14] <markey> http://mark.kollide.net/markey_sputbeard.jpg
[11:14] <markey> ^
[11:14] <markey> I wouldn't call that fail
[11:14] <markey> that's the ultimate pimp look
[11:16]  * Quintasan_Droid is filled with rage
[11:16] <Quintasan_Droid> Riddell: I wonder how that type of bug got through our QA.
[11:18] <jussi> Sput: we are now waiting on the picture of you...
[11:18] <jussi> Quintasan_Droid: its a different set of packages :P :P
[11:18] <Quintasan_Droid> ...
[11:20] <Quintasan_Droid> jussi:  it's like, okay install Kubuntu but we will encrypt your data even if you don't want it
[11:20] <jussi> Quintasan_Droid: I know. :P
[11:20] <Quintasan_Droid> And the timer is now at 47:59
[11:20] <Quintasan_Droid> ...
[11:21] <jussi> Can haz no encrypted data? ktthxbai
[11:21] <Quintasan_Droid> And I can't cancel the download process.
[11:22] <Quintasan_Droid> Good ol' pal kill -S KILL
[11:23]  * Quintasan_Droid hopes for fixed Plymouth theme on 1920x1080
[11:23] <Quintasan_Droid> Even windows gets this right
[11:23] <Quintasan_Droid> Yay
[11:23] <Quintasan_Droid> Works
[11:24] <Quintasan_Droid> O_9
[11:24] <Quintasan_Droid> What the heck was that
[11:24] <Quintasan_Droid> Riddell: I'm not sure what you guys did at UDS but Kubuntu booted within 5 seconds
[11:35] <Quintasan> jussi: It is you who has a Quassel sever running most of the time?
[11:36] <Quintasan> Oh Ubuntu, Ubuntu, where are you going, removing aptitude from default install, encrypting my home dir even if I don't want it
[11:37] <ulysses> o.O
[13:26] <shadeslayer> so akonadi tried to kill my notebook yesterday
[13:39] <jussi> shadeslayer: heh... I just this little pic in my head of a little round thing named akonadi coming at your notebook with a banzai sword...
[13:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is this the same notebook that's the size of a railroad car and suffers from a poor choice in video hardware?
[13:44] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195551 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Provide a structure for storing categorical/other filters in a Category object
[13:52] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195554 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) A QStandardModel will work just fine for a CategoryModel, so rename the CategoryModel/ folder to CategoryView
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes
[13:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: hahaha
[13:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apparently akonadi snuggled with my CPU and made everything go kaboom
[13:56] <ScottK> Nice.
[13:56] <shadeslayer> things got really hot :P
[13:57] <ScottK> Snuggling and gettng really hot treads periously close to TMI.
[13:58] <ScottK> kb9vqf: Since you're the only one I know of still looking at KDE3 kdelibs development, we're trying to get a new port started in Debian and kdelibs fails (probably to the new port being more strict about something).  Could you have a look? http://buildd.debian-ports.org/fetch.php?pkg=kdelibs&arch=armhf&ver=4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5&stamp=1289243025&file=log&as=raw
[14:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: debian doesnt seem happy about dropping changelogs
[14:01] <ScottK> They aren't the only ones.
[14:01] <ScottK> I think it's being sorted reasonably.
[14:02] <shadeslayer> people from within ubuntu as well?
[15:12] <Riddell> dantti: I think further communication with the guy on bug 425280 is counter productive
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I have to agree.
[15:17]  * ScottK notes with irony that he switched to Kubuntu from OpenSuse due to package manager problems.
[16:11] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195618 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (15 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[16:11] <CIA-39> Move Application list and popcon max score generation into an ApplicationBackend
[16:11] <CIA-39> class that can be passed to our views, so that they can be parented by more
[17:07] <Quintasan_Droid> jussi: ping
[17:08] <ScottK> Quintasan_Droid: Where is your almost done sip stuff?
[17:11] <Quintasan_Droid> I have uploaded it to mentors few whiles ago
[17:12] <Quintasan_Droid> ScottK: ^
[17:13] <ScottK> Quintasan_Droid: Thanks.
[17:13] <Riddell> mgraesslin: I submitted this patch upstream http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15267
[17:13] <Riddell> "make override-redirect windows have more window properties like WM_CLASS"
[17:13] <Riddell> (just FYI)
[17:13] <mgraesslin> ah nice
[17:15] <Quintasan_Droid> ScottK: it build and I'm pretty sure everything is in place
[17:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[17:28] <mgraesslin> ScottK: self-check deactivated for 4.5.4 http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1195271
[17:28] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Thanks.
[17:52] <apachelogger> http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/weird/figurine-depicts-julia-gillard-as-austrian-leader-ahead-of-g20-summit-in-seoul/story-e6frep26-1225951371993
[17:52]  * apachelogger giggles
[17:56] <ScottK> My seven year old gets Austria and Australia confused.
[17:58] <Quintasan> Oh
[17:58] <Quintasan> Poor Austria
[17:59] <Sput> one used to be a penal colony, the other had penal colonies
[18:00] <Sput> also, only one of them has a Harald
[18:00] <apachelogger> very true
[18:01] <apachelogger> clearly australia ought to go find a new name, since austria was there first
[18:02] <Sput> on the other hand, both of them are not in america, so they have something in common!
[18:02] <apachelogger> then again maybe it is their evil plan to get them too mixed up and eventual merge in 2024, forming a super empire to stand against the brotherhood of nod
[18:02] <Sput> nah, that super empire thing has gone wrong too often
[18:03] <apachelogger> well, first time it almost worked out, if people would not have a tendency to shoot other people who happen to be of public importance
[18:04]  * apachelogger just made himself become afraid that someone might shoot him out on the street...
[18:07] <kb9vqf> ScottK: I haven't seen that error before
[18:07]  * kb9vqf notes that the KDE3/Trinity project has changed significantly from the original 3.5.10 sources
[18:07] <ScottK> kb9vqf: You wouldn't have as it's unique to the armhf port, but I was hoping you might be able to narrow down how such things might get lost.
[18:08] <kb9vqf> Ah, ok
[18:08] <ScottK> kb9vqf: You're the only one I know caring about KDE3 at all anymore.
[18:08] <ScottK> If you can figure it out, I can get the fix in Debian so when armhf is brought into the distro it'll have KDE3 support.
[18:10]  * apachelogger suspects either unexported interfaces or bad linking args
[18:10] <kb9vqf> Looks like the problem is in kpty
[18:11] <apachelogger> no one cares for my crazy install-time-config-merging :'(
[18:12] <kb9vqf> ScottK: Can you verify that Q_OS_UNIX is set when you compile under arm?
[18:12] <kb9vqf> It's a #define
[18:12] <ScottK> kb9vqf: I can ask or you can join on #EFIKA and I'll introduce you to the guy doing the port.
[18:13] <kb9vqf> OK, I'm on EFIKA
[18:15] <ScottK> He's a busy guy, so I'd just ask your question and then wait.  Thanks.
[18:20] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195669 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Make ApplicationDelegate's extender into an ApplicationExtender class, so that we can send custom signals back to the parent of the ApplicationDelegate regarding mouseclicks on the Extender's buttons
[18:27] <kb9vqf> OK, he's checking.  Hopefully it's something simple!
[18:51] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195677 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationModel.cpp SVN_SILENT: dupe include--
[18:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pong
[19:02] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195684 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationView.cpp ApplicationView.h) Forgot some plumbing
[19:05] <Quintasan> brrr
[19:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: who is hosting the quassel core you are using?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: jefferai
[19:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: do I need to give him a beer or something for an account? :P
[19:11] <shadeslayer> beer makes quassel cores crash
[19:11] <Quintasan> jefferai: Can I have an account? My shell just died and admin has abandoned the ship :<
[19:13]  * shadeslayer cries
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/is-this-the-nexus-s/
[19:13] <shadeslayer> just when i had my mind made up
[19:14] <shadeslayer> THAT awesome thingy pops up on the interwebz
[19:14] <Quintasan> I bet it is just a troll
[19:14] <yofel> Quintasan: you can share mine if you tell me how to add an account for you, I try to keep the uptime as long as possible
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: it haz the nexus tag....
[19:16] <shadeslayer> nexus = supreme
[19:16] <shadeslayer> also
[19:16] <shadeslayer> when is gingerbread coming out?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> any estimates?
[19:29] <Quintasan> yofel: I have no idea how to add an account :D
[19:32] <ScottK> Quintasan: The man page for quasselcore that apachelogger wrote is remarkably unhelpful on this point.  Since he's into being friendly now, you might approach him and see if he'd be willing to improve it.
[19:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: apachelogger being friendly? It is soooo worth testing out
[19:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Hello there.
[19:33] <DarkwingDuck> I'm still trying to figure out why apachelogger is being friendly again. LOL
[19:35] <shadeslayer> because they got austria and australia confused? :P
[19:37] <neversfelde> rofl
[19:37] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck run
[19:38] <DarkwingDuck> lol!
[19:38] <neversfelde> Quintasan: there should be a script manageusers.py, afair
[19:41] <yofel> Quintasan: I think I got it -> pm
[19:43] <Quintasan> oop
[19:44] <Quintasan> I think something broke on yofels end upon my connection
[19:44] <dasKreech> ScottK: I think a number of people care about KDE3 but kb9vqf may be the only one caring enough to do something actionable
[19:45] <ScottK> dasKreech: Certainly.  I meant caring enough to have looked at the code recently.
[19:45] <Quintasan> yofel: I think something broke :O
[19:46] <dasKreech> ScottK: FOSS Win :)
[19:47] <yofel> agreed..
[19:48] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195696 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (8 files in 3 dirs) -Start on an ApplicationWidget to show the details of an App -Fix a bug where the indexes on the CategoryModel did not match the internal list by sorting the category list alphabetically, like the view
[20:00] <Quintasan> Is it just me or default http handler is broken in fresh install?
[20:05] <dantti> Riddell: yeah, I just gave up on that bug
[20:10]  * apachelogger snuggles Quintasan
[20:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: some things are never found out
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[20:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, as ScottK described, would you be so kind to fix the quasselcore man page so users know how to add additional user or just know that there is some sort of script to take care of that?
[20:12] <apachelogger> hm
[20:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: since you already know more than me, I really think you could do it a 100 times better than me
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> work avoidance tactic #33: tell somebody else they are much better than you ;-)
[20:14] <ulysses> :D
[20:14] <Quintasan> Exacly.
[20:28] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195707 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWidget.cpp ApplicationWidget.h) Use QScrollArea to keep longer Application descriptions from resizing things, etc
[20:46] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195712 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files) Add a long description and screenshot widget. (Later still needs screenshot-grabbing code. I'll grab that from muon in a bit)
[20:48] <apparle> hi guys, whenever kde 4.6 comes, will kubuntu-ppa be updated to 4.6 or it will stick to 4.5.x updates?
[20:50] <ScottK> apparle: There are three PPAs.  One for updates (that will stay 4.5) and one for beta-backports that will have 4.6 pre-release and finally one for backports for after it's released.  So the answer to your qeustion is "yes".
[20:51] <apparle> ScottK: and how much does it take for 4.5.x to come to the ubuntu repos or kubuntu just uses this ppa for updates?
[20:51] <apparle> ScottK: and, are the ppa updates, stable for normal usage?
[20:52] <ScottK> apparle: For now, just the PPAs, but we're working on getting the rules changed to bring them into Ubuntu.
[20:52] <ScottK> apparle: For updates we try hard to keep them stable, but their official purpose is testing.
[20:56] <apparle> why does virtuoso backend continuously use >50% cpu even when indexer is idle and there is no search in progress.
[20:58] <al> what's the easiest way to get myself a clean .deb build environment?
[20:58] <al> pbuilder?
[20:59] <ScottK> al: Yes.  sudo pbuilder-dist <release> create
[20:59] <apparle> al: that's how i do it :P
[20:59] <al> ok, thanks
[20:59] <ScottK> al: pbuilder-dist is in ubuntu-dev-tools.
[21:00] <al> and that package even exists in debian, cool
[21:02] <jussi> Quintasan: pong
[21:02] <al> i wanna try and see if http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1194836&view=revision fixes my screen not locking on resume issue
[21:08] <apparle> also, why am I dropped to command line when I logout?
[21:10] <al> kdm/x probably crashed?
[21:10] <al> see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:10] <apparle> al: it happens every time
[21:11] <apparle> Is there a way to delete auto eth0 or set the some other setting as default?
[21:11] <apparle> al: is this the concerned bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/651294
[21:12] <ScottK> apparle: Did you do the work around in the bug (I think we discussed this before, didn't we)?
[21:12] <ulysses> Riddell: I think  solved all problem with UPnP MediaServer KIOslave
[21:12] <ScottK> That particular one is an X problem that the ubuntu-x people are working on .
[21:13] <apparle> ScottK: I haven't discussed this :( because I installed kubuntu 10.10 few minutes ago
[21:13] <apparle> ScottK: I suppose the workaround will do that job.
[21:13] <ScottK> apparle: OK.  I discussed it with someone else recently.
[21:14] <apparle> anyway to remove or edit auto eth0 or set something else as default.
[21:15] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:16] <ScottK> You can edit /etc/network/interfaces
[21:17] <apparle> ScottK: what do I put in there?
[21:17] <apparle> ScottK: currently it is "auto lo <newline> iface lo inet loopback"
[21:19] <ScottK> Which is normal.  Why do you want to change it?
[21:19] <apparle> ScottK: you said, by editing I could remove auto eth0
[21:20] <ScottK> apparle: I assumed you knew what you wanted instead.
[21:21] <apparle> ScottK: I have created a new connection in networkmanager which I want to connect at startup. but I don't want to bypass network manager and connect with interfaces file directly
[21:21] <ScottK> I see.  I don't know about that then.
[21:29] <Riddell> ulysses: oh great, what had to be done?
[21:31] <ulysses> Riddell: probably nothing, HUPnP's author fixed all install problem, the files are copied to the right place, UPnP MediaServer KIOslave compiles and installs, I installed a mediaserver and tested, it worked
[21:40] <ulysses> Natty USB ready \o/
[21:52] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1195740 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWidget.cpp ApplicationWidget.h) Flesh out the ApplicationWidget a bit more. Still needs install/remove buttons and screenshot fetching code.
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> Firing off some screenshots before I leave for home: http://imgur.com/AlBmL , http://imgur.com/u2At6 , http://imgur.com/z9gL7
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> you can only navigate forwards as of now :>
[21:56] <ulysses> like
[21:56] <yofel> JontheEchidna: nice :D
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> it won't install or uninstall anything yet. But it will sort apps by category, and as long as you don't ever want to go back you can navigate
[21:57] <yofel> JontheEchidna: btw, how about adding a 'launch' button to the application list? (iirc someone requested that for USC too)
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> All in good time. ;-) It's still quite unfinished
[21:58] <yofel> sure, looks good already though ;)
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> yeah, looks good. The problem is it doesn't do much :P
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> heading home, bbiab
[23:03] <apachelogger> dantti: when are you migrating your stuff to git?
[23:03]  * apachelogger didnt use all new kde git yet ^^
[23:05] <dantti> apachelogger: well I didn't really get how playground stuff will move
[23:06] <dantti> tought actually I should move it out of playground :P
[23:06] <dantti> at least kpk
[23:06] <apachelogger> http://community.kde.org/Sysadmin/GitKdeOrgManual#Requesting_project_migrations_from_KDE_SVN_or_Gitorious.org
[23:08] <apachelogger> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ natty/main libasound2 armel 1.0.23-2ubuntu1
[23:08] <apachelogger>   404  Not Found
[23:08] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm right
[23:08] <apachelogger> this world is very cruel
[23:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: connection is a drag today :/
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: does your tarball script work with git?
[23:10] <apachelogger> yes
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I should probably request a move soon
[23:10] <apachelogger> more of a hack the git support, but works decently
[23:11] <apachelogger> until the supreme oop version gets done
[23:11] <apachelogger> that will be the same time the duke retruns....
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/sitter/release-script.git should you feel like doing ruby haxx0ring at some point ;_
[23:26] <apachelogger> ;)
[23:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^ new script code, if you get hold of some dude to continue poking around in it


[16:54] <tsimpson> jpds: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots/Contact if you would please :)
[19:32] <MenZa> Hi, can I have an ubuntu/member/menza cloak? I was approved tonight - https://edge.launchpad.net/~lhavelund
[19:32] <tsimpson> if you send $15 to me, sure :p
[19:32] <MenZa> :P
[19:32]  * MenZa runs off to play with tsimpson's wiki page.
[19:33] <tsimpson> if you're masochistic enough to _want_ to play with moinmoin, go for it
[19:33] <tsimpson> ;)
[19:33] <MenZa> good point
[19:33]  * MenZa shudders.
[19:34] <jussi01> MenZa: I got to run for a bit
[19:34] <MenZa> sure, sure
[19:34] <MenZa> noone's in a hurry
[19:34] <MenZa> except you ;)
[19:38] <Flannel> MenZa: You should know better than to post edge LP links!
[19:38] <MenZa> oh dear.
[19:38] <MenZa> But anyone who'd be interested is most likely in ~launchpad-beta-testers anyway :P
[19:47] <ninnnu> https://launchpad.net/~ninnnu I can haz cloak? :)
[20:02] <MenZa> \o ninnnu, and congrats :)
[20:03] <MenZa> (also, scarily, that's *exactly* what I said in -ops, except for the Launchpad link)
[20:03] <MenZa> [2009-12-15 19:11:23 UTC] <+MenZa> I can haz cloak?
[20:05] <ninnnu> Lolcatism is contagious and it spreads over EMEAMeetings
[20:05] <MenZa> :D
[20:06] <Tm_T> kids...
[22:57] <MenZa> Have you found your way back, jussi01?
[22:57] <MenZa> :)
[22:58] <MenZa> Alternatively, Pici - are you around?
[23:17]  * MenZa prods Pici


[05:25] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:23] <neildugan> I have been trying to use upnpc to open up an external access (for ssh) to a lxc VM ... but every time I try to connect (with ssh) I get a "connection refused" error ... but I can find no indication in the VM that a connection was even attempted ... can anyone help here?
[11:24] <tomreyn> neildugan: does the configuration change take place on the router the upnpc is talking to, though?
[11:25] <neildugan> tomreyn, I think so upnpc -l returns a line "TCP 30000-><IP_ADDRESS>:30000 'libminiupnpc' '' 14400"
[11:26] <neildugan> tomreyn, I have also setup ssh to listen to that port.
[11:27] <tomreyn> neildugan: does the router also report that this configuration has been applied?
[11:28] <neildugan> tomreyn, no idea, there appears to be no way to interogate (via web interface) anything about upnp (except it being enabled)
[11:30] <tomreyn> neildugan: i see. so i'm afraid i forgot how lxc does networking. does it do bridging, nat or routing?
[11:31] <neildugan> tomreyn, this VM is connected to my LAN (via a bridged interface) that has the router on it.
[11:32] <tomreyn> ok, so the lxc host (the main ubuntu system) has a different IP address than <IP_ADDRESS>, but one on the same subnmet?
[11:32] <tomreyn> *subnet
[11:32] <neildugan> tomreyn, yes , and I just tested to make sure the the VM can ping the router directly.
[11:33] <tomreyn> neildugan: do you have another computer on the same subnet?
[11:33] <neildugan> yes
[11:34] <tomreyn> neildugan: can you connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:30000 from the ubuntu lxc host? nc -vv <IP_ADDRESS> 30000
[11:35] <tomreyn> (ignore my question about other computer on the same subnet for now, this is now unrelated)
[11:36] <neildugan> tomreyn, yes that connected
[11:38] <tomreyn> i just tried to connect to your public ip address on tcp port 30000, and the connection was refused.
[11:39] <tomreyn> is this the external ip address you'Re trying to port forward?
[11:39] <neildugan> tomreyn, I can also ssh in with the ssh -p 30000 <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:40] <tomreyn> from where?
[11:40] <neildugan> the lxc host
[11:41] <tomreyn> neildugan: can you try this from the other computer on the same subnet, too?
[11:41] <tomreyn> you didn't comment on my connection attempt, on purpose?
[11:44] <neildugan> tomreyn, was that last message for me?  I did ssh in via port 30000 from a different computer
[11:44] <tomreyn> neildugan: yes it was
 i just tried to connect to your public ip address on tcp port 30000, and the connection was refused.
[11:45] <neildugan> yea that is my problem
[11:45] <tomreyn> so this is a router issue.
[11:46] <neildugan> tomreyn, I think so, but all the examples I have found for upnpc don't say I need to do anything else to get a connection.
[11:46] <tomreyn> you could try deleting, then re-addig the port redirection using upnpc. but with a router bahving so unreliably, i guess i would rather try to setup port forwarding statically.
[11:47] <tomreyn> some routers will accept the port forwarding configuration but not actually forward traffic unless you also enable a upnp option (such as pon their web interface)
[11:48] <neildugan> tomreyn, when you tried to connect it should have said 'permission denied public key'  not 'connection refused'
[11:48] <tomreyn> it would have, if port forwarding had actually taken place, yes
[11:48] <neildugan> tomaw, the upnp is enabled.
[11:49] <tomreyn> but apparently your router or a firewall between the router and the lxc guest just drops the traffic.
[11:50] <tomreyn> it may be a good idea to try port forwarding a port to the lxc host first, and to test whether this is reachable form the internet.
[11:50] <neildugan> tomreyn, the only firwall operational for that VM is on the router.
[11:50] <tomreyn> this way you save some complexity
[11:51] <neildugan> I thought it would be fairly simple myself that is why I am testing it.... but something unknown is wrong.
[11:52] <tomreyn> run this on the lxc host: while true; do echo 'You are connected.' | nc -vv -l 6000; sleep 2; done
[11:53] <tomreyn> then run this in a separate terminal window on the lxc host, substituting LXCHOST by the lxc hosts' LAN ip address: upnpc -a LXCHOST 6000 6000 TCP
[11:54] <tomreyn> confirm the symmetric port forwarding for port 6000 to the lxc host was correctly configured using 'upnpc -l'
[11:54] <tomreyn> then tell me to test it.
[11:54] <tomreyn> neildugan: ^
[11:55] <tomreyn> you can also use a service like this to test it (specify port 6000): http://canyouseeme.org/
[11:56] <neildugan> I was just test a already setup port forward to a different VM . it isn't working ether I am getting a 'Connection timed out' error with that one.
[12:01] <neildugan> tomreyn, it I understand the second part this will allow you into the host computer?
[12:03] <tomreyn> neildugan: 'connection timed out' (no response was received at all, traffic was dropped) is different from what i was seeing, i got connection refused (traffic was actively denied, so a TCP RST was returned to me).
[12:04] <neildugan> tomreyn, that was via a NAT port forward setup in the router via the web-interface into a different VM
[12:05] <tomreyn> neildugan: the second part of the command would allow me (or anyone) to connect to the netcat (nc) process on your lxc host, which you start in the first part. this netcat process only accepts an incoming tcp connection and responds to it with the text 'You are connected.'. it doesn't grant any means of running commands on your system
[12:05] <neildugan> ok
[12:06] <tomreyn> neildugan: you dont need to trust me there, though, pick any port for nc and (the same) for upnpc and try it with canyouseemee.org or a similar service of your choice.
[12:07] <tomreyn> the idea there is to ensure that your router actually does the port forwarding from the internet
[12:07] <neildugan> ok those commands have been done
[12:09] <tomreyn> neildugan: i just seem to have connected fine. you should see my connection on the terminal window you ran 'nc' on
[12:10] <tomreyn> i didn't get to see the expeced output, thougfh, and my connection was dropped after it had been established
[12:10] <neildugan> tomreyn, I don't , but I do see my test it
[12:11] <tomreyn> neildugan: how / where from did you test?
[12:11] <tomreyn> oh, it worked this time
[12:12] <neildugan> are now I see your connection, I have an externally host VM
[12:12] <tomreyn> so now you should see my connection attempt, from an ip address ending 101.119
[12:12] <neildugan> yes
[12:12] <neildugan> tomreyn, from mue-88-130-101-119.dsl.tropolys.de 56240 received!
[12:13] <tomreyn> so port forwarding does work generally on the router
[12:13] <neildugan> tomreyn, so if the VMs sshd_config was wrong in some way wouldn't the attempt still show up in /var/log/auth.log
[12:14] <tomreyn> it is possible that you need to enable ip forwarding on your lxc host.
[12:15] <tomreyn> whether or not the connection attempt would still show on the lxc guests' /var/log/auth.log would depend on whether or not sshd is binding to the right ip address and port on the lxc guest.
[12:15] <tomreyn> luckily, you can repeat the same 'nc' test on the lxc guest
[12:17] <tomreyn> i.e. stop the ssh server on the lxc guest, then verify the port forwarding to its port 30000 is still configured, using upnpc -l
[12:17] <neildugan> the modem has a 'ping' dianostics ... it can ping the VM
[12:18] <tomreyn> okay, but this doesnt tell you too much about whether tcp traffic would reach it, and would be returned to where it was initiated from
[12:19] <tomreyn> 'ping' (icmp echo request / response) is a different ip protocol than tcp, and is much more simple (which is why it is a good first test, but not as meaningful as a tcp data transfer test)
[12:22] <neildugan> tomreyn, I was just seeing if the modem could initiate a connection to VM.  I set up the same test as before on port 6001 on the VM it seems to work.
[12:23] <tomreyn> neildugan: good. but you really want to test this from the internet
[12:23] <neildugan> tomreyn, I did, from my external VM
[12:24] <tomreyn> oh, so you can now reach port 6001 on the lxc *guest* from the internet?
[12:24] <tomreyn> neildugan: ^
[12:24] <neildugan> tomreyn, port 6001 is redirected to the VM
[12:25] <tomreyn> if you can reach port 6001 on the lxc *guest* from the internet, then all that's left to diagnose is the ssh server configuration.
[12:26] <neildugan> hang on a sec I am going to test with port 30000
[12:27] <neildugan> can't do that 30000 is in use by sshd
[12:28] <tomreyn> and it should be :)
[12:28] <tomreyn> you could stop the ssh service temporarily
[12:29] <tomreyn> systemctl stop ssh
[12:29] <tomreyn> then you could run the looped 'nc' command on port 30000 as we did above
[12:31] <tomreyn> i still get:    nc: connect to [your wan/internet ipv4] port 30000 (tcp) failed: Connection refused
[12:32] <neildugan> here is the sshd_config .... I can't see anything wrong... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qCNmQQfyGb/
[12:33] <neildugan> tomreyn, atm I am connected to the VM via SSH so wouldn't stoping the service lock me out.
[12:37] <tomreyn> neildugan: if, by 'the VM' you are now referring to the lxc guest on your LAN we are diagnosing, then my answer would be: yes, it would lock you out in terms of ssh. but you will containue to be able to manage it through lxc from the lxc host.
[12:37] <whislock> Stopping the ssh service does not terminate your current session.
[12:37] <neildugan> I have found something strange here... i disconnected from the VM ... and got in another way... but what I found was that when I setup nc on port 30000 ... it didn't work ... but it does on port 6001
[12:38] <tomreyn> whislock: are you sure there? i know that restarting the ssh service doesn't, but stopping it wouldn, doesn't it?
[12:39] <whislock> Just stopped it on this system, and I'm still here talking.
[12:39] <whislock> So yes. I'm quite certain.
[12:39] <tomreyn> whislock: whoops, i guess i should have known this, thanks.
[12:40] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: can you import a new package into git-ubuntu?
[12:42] <neildugan> tomreyn, I have setup nc on both port 6001 and 30000 , and only port 6001 is working... any ideas why the port number seems to be important?
[12:42] <tomreyn> neildugan: since you have so far referred to both the lxc guest on your (bridged) LAN (the system you are trying to connect to by ssh) as well as some VM somewhere on the internet as 'VM', using this term is now ambiguous.
[12:42] <whislock> What are we trying to accomplish here exactly?
[12:45] <tomreyn> neildugan: if you have both nc on the lxc gues on your lan running in listen mode on these ports AND have setup port synchronous forwardings for these ports on the router and you can establish a tcp connection to only one of the two ports from the internet then this would suggest that your isp blocks connections to one of these ports.
[12:45] <neildugan> tomreyn, I suppose so, sorry, but by VM I am referring to my local VM not the one I am testing from.   What I need to do is be able to connect to the local VM from the Internet ... I am using an external VPS to check the connection from the Internet.
[12:47] <neildugan> ahh... I wonder if some other use of port 30000 is a problem... and is getting blocked.
[12:49] <tomreyn> whislock: neildugan has an lxc guest on his LAN at <IP_ADDRESS>, with ssh binding on port 30000. he uses a network bridging configuiration for LXC. he is trying to make this lxc guests' sshd port available from the internet on the sam port (30000) by using miniupnpc's demo client 'upnpc' to setup UPNP port forwardings on his internet / WAN router (which is reachable at neildugan's IRC clients' public ipv4 address).
[12:50] <whislock> One immediately asks... why?
[12:51] <neildugan> I have want to give limited access to certain resources to some people.
[12:51]  * tomreyn did not, doesn't consider it an unsual use case
[12:51] <whislock> The use case is not unusual. The method is.
[12:53] <tomreyn> whislock: you mean you'd prefer a static port forwarding / symmetric NAT configuration on the router?
[12:53] <neildugan> I shifted the ssh to port 6001 and had no trouble... all this time wasted because of the ISP ... I have been trying to get this to work for quite a few days now.
[12:53] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I can import
[12:53] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: libcloud please
[12:54] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: are you looking for a one-off import or to include something in the regular automation
[12:54] <cpaelzer> ?
[12:54] <whislock> Yes. UPnP is a security nightmare.
[12:54] <michal_f> hello. I can't do: apt install lxc
[12:54] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: well, I don't know what our policy is
[12:54] <michal_f> should I add any repo's ?
[12:54] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: if we don't import, then I can't make an MP, and it will be a debdiff
[12:54] <michal_f> package is not found
[12:54] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: so far I have imported some as one-off which was fine - if it turned out to be a regular need I made a suggestion to add it to the whitelist
[12:55] <whislock> tomreyn: The right way to do this is to leave the ssh service port as the default, and forward whatever desired public port to the service's IP/port.
[12:55] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I'd do a one-shot import now ok?
[12:55] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: make it so
[12:55] <ahasenack> :)
[12:55] <ahasenack> thanks
[12:55] <kstenerud> morning!
[12:56] <ahasenack> hello kstenerud
[12:56] <tomreyn> whislock: so asymmetric nat, yes this can be a little easier, but not much.
[12:56] <neildugan> whislock, yes I know, but as port 30000 was being blocked (unknown to me) when I tried by using external port 30000 -> internal 22 it did work I tried other things.
[12:57] <whislock> tomreyn: It's FAR easier, and it's the right way to do things.
[12:57] <tomreyn> neildugan: pointing this out earlier could have helped ;)
[12:58] <neildugan> tomreyn, thanks for all the help.
[12:58] <tomreyn> neildugan: you're welcome
[12:59] <neildugan> tomreyn, pointing out what .... I said I was using port 30000 and I was trying to use SSH ... what did I miss
[12:59] <sdeziel> michal_f: do you want to use LXC/LXD containers?
[13:00] <michal_f> actually I'm following instructions to install Zulip server https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/development/setup-vagrant.html#ubuntu
[13:00] <michal_f> a development installation
[13:02] <sdeziel> michal_f: oh OK. They use of the old lxc which I'm not familiar with, sorry
[13:02] <tomreyn> neildugan: diagnosing this could have been easier if you had previously stated that an assymetric nat configuration (WAN port 30000 to LAN port 22) failed to work (and how). but don't worry about it now.
[13:02] <michal_f> sdeziel, thanks! any tips at all I could follow ?
[13:03] <sdeziel> michal_f: I don't know zulip but maybe you could join their chat: https://zulip.readthedocs.io/en/latest/contributing/chat-zulip-org.html
[13:04] <neildugan> tomreyn, ok .... but it failed in exactly the same manner ... just 'connection refused' .... anyway thanks
[13:08] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: it imported 8 versions and then died on a http 410 - retrying and taking a look
[13:09] <ahasenack> ok
[13:09] <cpaelzer> always seems to break on 0.5.0-1
[13:09] <ahasenack> I still hit this bug every now and then when using git-ubuntu build-source
[13:09] <ahasenack> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '.pc'
[13:09] <ahasenack> that's 410 again?
[13:10] <ahasenack> gone
[13:10] <cpaelzer> gone it is
[13:10] <ahasenack> 0.5.0 is the first one we have in lp
[13:10] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/libcloud
[13:10] <ahasenack> hm, no
[13:10] <ahasenack> publishing history has more
[13:11] <tomreyn> michal_f: you are probably affected by #1783129
[13:11] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1783129
[13:11] <tomreyn> neildugan: okay, then ignore my remark, sorry.
[13:12] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: I was playing around with arguments, but I can't get it like libcloud
[13:12] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: n/m then, it's a simple diff
[13:12] <michal_f> tomreyn, thx. looking intoit
[13:13] <ahasenack> thanks for trying
[13:13] <neildugan> where would I make a suggestion on an improvement to the UI
[13:17] <michal_f> tomreyn, that was it. thank you
[13:21] <tomreyn> you're welcome, michal
[13:23] <tomreyn> ahasenack: is there a chance to have a 18.04.1 live-server (subiquity) installer iso rebuild (i.e. before .2) to help people affected by this (and maybe some of the other more serious bugs in it)?
[13:24] <tomreyn> the 'cannot install package' issue affects a lot of users from what i see on irc.
[13:25] <tomreyn> (and its not immediately obvious what the cause is / what they need to search for to find a fix)
[13:26] <tomreyn> alternatively, a hint on this could be placed in the (network/canonical) generated motd 'news' (unless this is strictly reserved for marketing purposes).
[13:27] <ahasenack> tomreyn: yeah, I know, I pinged about this
[13:27] <ahasenack> tomreyn: dpb1 is back today, maybe he can do something about it
[13:30] <tomreyn> thanks
[14:13] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: I attached a debdiff to the bug, and local dep8 runs. Bileto is still running: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcloud/+bug/1788931
[14:13] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: this basically disables py3.7 support, since it's not working, and upstream is aware
[14:15] <kstenerud> ahasenack: Can you help me set up virtual networking that will allow a VM to talk to a container? I keep hitting dead ends trying to configure bridges and virtual interfaces
[14:15] <kstenerud> trying to get an IPA server and an IPA client to talk to each other
[14:16] <kstenerud> but keep getting things like: libvirtError: error creating macvtap interface macvtap0@vethWG668H (52:54:00:6d:b9:15): Device or resource busy
[14:16] <ahasenack> hm
[14:17] <ahasenack> kstenerud: are both (vm and container) on the same host?
[14:17] <kstenerud> yes
[14:17] <ahasenack> kstenerud: don't use macvtap then
[14:17] <ahasenack> kstenerud: when creating the network with libvirt,
[14:17] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: could you be rather brute and just make lxd and this VM use the same bridge?
[14:18] <cpaelzer> might need to make sure that only one has a dhcp server on it
[14:18] <ahasenack> kstenerud: and I use virt-manager for that (the gui), I just tell it to create a bridge, nat, and forward to any physical interface
[14:18] <ahasenack> I don't even have to put them on the same bridge, the host can route between them
[14:18] <kstenerud> TBH I have no idea what I'm doing. I have an existing br0 running, and that just exposes anything that uses it directly to the lan, which is fine
[14:19] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: who does dhcp on that br0 ?
[14:19] <kstenerud> but when I try to connect a kvm to it via virtual manager, my two options are NAT and macvtap
[14:19] <kstenerud> dhcp is another machine on the lan
[14:19] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: ok just a sec
[14:20] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: you want to create a new network in libvirt as outlined at https://netplan.io/examples#bridging
[14:20] <kstenerud> There seem to be two different places to set up networking on vmm
[14:20] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: essentially put that in a .xml and run "virsh network define filename.xml"
[14:20] <cpaelzer> then you have a new netwrok called br0
[14:20] <RoyK> a new nic
[14:20] <cpaelzer> and even in virt manager you can then select that as an alternative to the default network
[14:20] <RoyK> not a network
[14:20] <cpaelzer> when you edit the nic
[14:21] <cpaelzer> virsh net-define I meant
[14:21] <cpaelzer> thanks RoyK
[14:21] <cpaelzer> but I meant him to create a new "network" in the sense of a libvirt network with a name and an associated configuration
[14:21] <RoyK> bridging is nice for VMs or containers
[14:22] <RoyK> sometimes you want them on a separate VLAN, if so, configure the bridge to setup one etc
[14:22] <RoyK> mostly you don't need that
[14:22] <cpaelzer> ack
[14:23] <kstenerud> hmm I have br0 on this machine somehow. It's not defined anywhere that I can see in /etc
[14:23] <kstenerud> # brctl show br0
[14:23] <kstenerud> bridge name	bridge id		STP enabled	interfaces
[14:23] <kstenerud> br0		8000.fee2613aae5b	no		vethMBNVBM
[14:23] <RoyK> kstenerud: pastebin output of "ip r" and "ip a"
[14:23] <RoyK> kstenerud: don't paste it here
[14:23] <RoyK> !pastebin
[14:24] <kstenerud> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cFBhndyYWK/
[14:24] <kstenerud> The lan is <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[14:25] <kstenerud> dhcp is from <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:25] <RoyK> you don't want an ip address on the bridged interface
[14:25] <RoyK> that is - if your physical is eth0, you don't want an ip on that - only on the bridge
[14:27] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: hold off on that review, I also actually need to fix the py3.7 incompatbility. The package is installable with just that debdiff, but I need more to unblock the strongswan migration (long chain of dep8 tests)
[14:29] <ahasenack> and upstream seems more responsive in github than in jira
[14:29] <ahasenack> surprise! :)
[14:31] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: ok holding back
[15:10] <ahasenack> kstenerud: did you see cpaelzer's comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+git/openssh/+merge/353531 ?
[15:11] <ahasenack> kstenerud: you should have gotten an email about it
[15:12] <kstenerud> Oh yes I see it
[15:12] <kstenerud> I'm not sure what it means...
[15:12] <ahasenack> it means it's your last chance to make changes :)
[15:13] <ahasenack> he is ready to upload it for you
[15:13] <kstenerud> oh ok :)
[16:39] <ahasenack> kstenerud: make sure you are subscribed to bug #1771340 so you don't miss it when the SRU team accepts it, or wants to get in touch with you
[22:16] <lob0> hi!


[03:01] <thebroke> Any one have any recommendations for a input device for ubuntu studio? I am looking for something to record guitar and a xlr mic. I have a line 6 ux1 that got working but looking for something that plays a little more nice with linux.
[03:05] <holstein> hey thebroke
[03:05] <holstein> desktop?
[03:05] <holstein> laptop?
[03:08] <holstein> well thebroke
[03:08] <holstein> heres a couple
[03:08] <holstein> http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1901
[03:08] <holstein> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html
[03:09] <holstein> not sure what your price range is
[03:09]  * holstein suggests #opensourcemusicians for podcast reviews and more input
[03:10] <tucemiux> for a desktop the 1010 is a winner, anything less you might as well just use the inboard sound card
[04:05] <thebroke> I am limited to a laptop, i do however have a firewire port, any suggestions on in that area?
[04:08] <holstein> thebroke: i have a presonus firepod
[04:08] <holstein> probably more than what you looking for
[04:08] <holstein> BUT it works great with JACK
[04:08] <holstein> and its got decent preamps
[04:12] <thebroke> Did you have to do much to get it working or did it fire up out of the box?
[04:12] <holstein> well
[04:12] <holstein> back in the day it was tough
[04:12] <holstein> now-a-days
[04:13] <holstein> its right out of the box
[04:13] <holstein> FFADO FTW!
[04:14] <holstein> the newer verions is called FP-10
[04:14] <thebroke> Very cool
[04:15] <holstein> and i cannot personally speak for its support
[04:16] <holstein> there is a presonus firebox
[04:16] <holstein> USB and firewire verions
[04:16] <holstein> BUT ive heard the preamps are not all that great
[04:17] <thebroke> Thanks guys for the help!
[04:17] <holstein> np
[04:22] <holstein> http://orlando.craigslist.org/ele/1692358715.html
[16:36] <riot> hi
[16:37] <riot> can i install ubuntu-studio using a cdrom? My studio-machine doesn't have dvd :/
[16:39] <rlameiro> riot: do you have net?
[16:39] <riot> yes
[16:39] <rlameiro> install ubuntu vanilla, then install from packages the ubuntustudio packages
[16:40] <rlameiro> just search for "ubuntustudio" on the package manager, and then select what you want (i guess mostly audio)
[16:40] <riot> oh, okay, thxalot.
[16:40] <rlameiro> and you are set
[16:40] <holstein> the installer DVD was broken for me yesterday
[16:43] <holstein> lucid
[16:45] <rlameiro> holstein: did you reported that on qa?
[16:45] <holstein> launchpad
[16:45] <rlameiro> i think its iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[16:45] <rlameiro> ah ok
[16:46] <holstein> i found a report on lauchpad
[16:46] <holstein> and marked myself as affected
[16:46] <holstein> effected?
[16:46] <holstein> hmmm
[16:46] <holstein> one of those ;)
[16:47] <riot> holstein: i think the first
[17:49] <holstein> !pulse
[23:51] <riot> geez
[23:51] <riot> veeery dangerous to use ubuntustudio without mixer between headphones and machine
[23:51] <riot> and Jack doesn't really work
[23:56] <riot> hmm, rt-kernel was probably just missing...


[02:14] <kratz> I am using xubuntu 16.04. The calculator is different from the one I used until xubuntu 14. The new calculator does not work nicely with my xfce, it has no minify button etc and does not respect my xfce settings.
[02:14] <kratz> Is there any way I can have the old calculator back.
[02:15] <kratz> I.e. I want the calculator app that was in xubuntu 14 back in xubuntu 16.
[02:16] <xangua> Yes it has min,max,close buttons
[02:18] <xangua> Xubuntu currently uses"gnome's calculator", if you want a more "classic app"you can try "galculator", sudo apt install galculator
[02:19] <xangua> https://i0.wp.com/smdavis.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/xubuntu16.04-calculator.png?w=1320&ssl=1 that's a screenshot of gnome calculator on xfce
[02:20] <kratz> thank you xangua!
[02:20] <kratz> I got it galculator is what I want
[08:07] <dreamer> ohai, before the weekend I locked my screen at work. now I come back and light-locker didn't want to come up with the pw-prompt. I could still get to a tty (where I am now) and I tried killing light-locker, which had no effect. any idea how I can get the desktop back up on that tty? (I preferably don't want to restart lightdm)
[08:08] <diogenes_> hi dreamer :)
[08:08] <dreamer> diogenes_: you still don't know the answer I guess.
[08:08] <diogenes_> because I've never experienced this issue
[08:09] <diogenes_> dreamer, if killermoehre couldn't help you, then you might want to give up on that and just reboot
[08:12] <dreamer> or, I just don't listen to you :)
[08:13] <diogenes_> there's nothing to listen to, it's only to read
[08:13] <dreamer> why would I reboot anyway?
[08:13] <diogenes_> because you can't get into your desktop
[08:14] <dreamer> ?
[08:14] <dreamer> then why would I reboot?
[08:14] <dreamer> it's not like the computer is unresponsive
[08:14] <dreamer> worst case I restart xorg
[08:14] <dreamer> there is 0 reason to reboot
[08:15] <diogenes_> ok
[08:15] <dreamer> thnx for trying to help, but you obviously don't know much about this :)
[08:16] <diogenes_> btw why do you leave your pc on screen lock and don't shutdown it?
[10:34] <sciptMannie> hey guys, I've made a script that opens youtube-links with vlc, I run it with "./scriptName URL". I want to run it using the whisker menu, but don't know how?
[10:35] <sciptMannie> I've made a launcher, but once I start typing in the URL "the option" disappears
[14:12] <bel_ki> привет xubuntu 16 04  поменял курсор с дефалтового на другой  поле ребута в терминале курсор из темы на рабочем столе дефалтовый, это баг?
[14:13] <bel_ki> Hello xubuntu 16 04 changed the cursor from the default on another field reboot in the terminal cursor from the theme on the desktop defalted, is this a bug?
[14:15] <bel_ki> field = after
[14:27] <user4402> How do I add a shortcut to my applications menu?
[14:28] <user4402> I'm trying to create a shortcut launcher for Tor
[14:29] <user4402> In menu editor, I'm not sure how to do it
[14:53] <xubuntu43i> hi , can i install gno menu , to xubuntu ?
[14:54] <xubuntu43i> reply on dimm.me
[14:55] <flocculant> xubuntu43i: what is gno menu? and people will reply here
[22:18] <xubuntu77d> E:The package libisccfg140 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[22:18] <xubuntu77d> всем добра.щяс рпишу проблемму
[22:21] <xubuntu77d> Ошибка при загрузке информации об источниках приложений
[22:22] <xubuntu77d> не могу ничего обновить установить драйвера.
[23:02] <genii> !info libisccfg140
[23:02] <genii> Hm


[00:53] <pikapika> Hi
[00:53] <pikapika> What's the caching behaviour for the panel with regard to widgets?
[00:54] <pikapika> "Status indicator" type stuff like battery level, hacker-mon, volume changer etc will of course always have their processes alive
[00:55] <pikapika> However, what is the policy regarding something like the whisker menu?
[00:55] <pikapika> It seems to get cached after you open it once
[00:55] <pikapika> But it also seems
[00:55] <pikapika> It gets killed automatically
[00:55] <pikapika> Perhaps it happens when theres heavy memory load (lots of swapping) idk
[00:57] <pikapika> Either way
[00:57] <pikapika> It seems to take an amount of time similar to starting process straight from disk often times when I open it again after a long while
[00:57] <pikapika> and naturally thats very annoying
[00:57] <pikapika> So
[00:58] <pikapika> What is the caching policy?
[00:58] <pikapika> And can I somehow force it to always stay in memory?
[08:05] <brainwash> pikapika: you did not monitor memory/swap usage?
[08:06] <pikapika> Memoey/swap often gets into thhe 80%/50% range brainwash
[08:09] <brainwash> the obvious solution would be to increase the amount of RAM or relocate the swap area to a SSD
[08:09] <pikapika> Naturally
[08:09] <pikapika> But what to do meanwhile?
[08:10] <brainwash> reducing the amount of background process may help
[08:10] <brainwash> processes
[08:12] <pikapika> Not by much
[08:12] <pikapika> OS bg processes rarely seem to take more than ~500MB
[08:13] <pikapika> The browser and ide are the real culprits
[08:15] <brainwash> not sure if anything can be done about this then
[12:53] <Soid> I have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither copy nor perfer
[15:29] <Soid>  I have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither copy nor perfer
[16:49] <pikapika> Hey
[16:49] <knome> hello
[16:49] <pikapika> Does thunar not support highlighting the particular folder when you click Open in directory from a browser or is it something only I am experiencing?
[16:49] <pikapika> s/folder/file within folder
[17:03] <Spass> hello pikapika, this forum thread may interest you - https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12650
[17:04] <Spass> you're not the only one
[17:04] <pikapika> Okay
[17:04] <pikapika> I was reading FF's source code https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/xpcom/io/nsLocalFileUnix.cpp
[17:04] <pikapika> checking whether if its an FF issue
[17:04] <pikapika> so its really a thunar issue
[17:04] <Soid> I have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither copy nor perferI have samba installed and by terminal to recognize the network equipment but I try to tune and I see nothing, also I have the Public folder shared with the 0777 permissions and from another machine I can neither
[17:04] <Soid> copy nor perfer
[17:04] <pikapika> Thank you Spass
[17:04]  * pikapika hugs Spass
[17:05] <Spass> no problem pika
[17:07] <pikapika> hmm
[17:08] <pikapika> so how does dbus work and can I use it so that this universally works for whichever app uses thunar?
[17:08] <pikapika> Let me research
[17:14] <pikapika> Spass, I should put in a bug report I guess for thunar to support this action in future
[17:15] <pikapika> It basically seems its a matter of implementing this: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/file-manager-interface/
[17:17] <Spass> I think this bug report is related - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12273
[17:17] <Spass> it was linked in that forum thread
[17:18] <pikapika> Holy shit
[17:18] <pikapika> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12273
[17:18] <pikapika> Its been there for 3 years
[17:19] <pikapika> My C is okay I guess but I know nothing of linux desktop architecture
[17:19] <pikapika> Should I try my hand at fixing it?
[17:24] <Spass> you're the boss, so you have to decide :) but yeah, help is always welcomed when it comes to patching bugs
[17:25] <pikapika> shit looks like oop in C
[17:25] <pikapika> No experience with their conventions
[17:25] <pikapika> Need to read their code for a while before I can do anything
[17:30] <pikapika> And yeah I am always down to helping if I can :)
[17:32] <Spass> cool, people at #xfce-dev can help you with understanding the "xfce way of coding", if needed
[17:33] <pikapika> Thanks!
[17:33] <pikapika> I will ask their help if needed
[17:43] <wb9688> Why does LightDM not turn off my laptop's screen when locking? It happens on both Xubuntu 18.20 and Debian Unstable. GDM (and Windows for that matter) does, so it isn't like it's a hardware issue. Also, when I lock my screen and disconnect my screen, LightDM crashes when logging in. And when I lock my screen, disconnect my screen and reconnect my screen, new LightDM releases don't want to show up at all, so
[17:43] <wb9688> I've downgraded it to an older version. I've had this happen on both my desktop with DP and my laptop with VGA. Newer releases of LightDM also have the problem that it doesn't want to redirect to the greeter or only after a long time. I'm of course using LightDM's GTK+ greeter and light-locker, with default config on Xubuntu 18.10 and pretty much the same config on Debian Unstable but with Openbox instead of
[17:43] <wb9688> Xfce. Has anyone else experienced those problems as well? Does anyone know how to fix this? Or if this is a bug in LightDM, is there already a bug report? If not, what is the correct way to file an issue?
[17:45] <wb9688> Oh, and I'm also just using xfce4-power-manager on both Xubuntu 18.10 and Debian Unstable on my laptop but not on Debian Unstable on my desktop, if that matters.
[17:46] <brainwash> wb9688: intel gpu?
[17:47] <wb9688> Yes, Intel iGPU on both.
[17:48] <wb9688> "Intel® HD Graphics for Intel Atom® Processor Z3700 Series" in my laptop and " Intel® HD Graphics 520" in my desktop, to be specific.
[17:50] <brainwash> the screen won't power off at all, not even after some time (default timeout should be 1min)?
[17:53] <brainwash> in 19.04 there will the new xfce4-screensaver available which does not rely on VT switching for screen locking
[17:54] <wb9688> It keeps 'reinitializing'. Where could I find the relevant timeout setting? I find xfce4-power-manager's settings really confusing.
[17:55] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager does not affect settings outside of your Xfce session
[17:55] <brainwash> and lightdm runs outside
[17:55] <brainwash> did you check lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings?
[17:56] <wb9688> Ah, I didn't even know that existed.
[17:58] <wb9688> Is it the 'Timeout until the screens blanks'? It's set in the middle, but I don't know how many minutes that are, but I guess 30 min, since the slider goes up to 60 min.
[17:58] <brainwash> pikapika: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12414
[17:59] <pikapika> Ah okay thanks
[17:59] <pikapika> Then I should read about the dbus approach to solving this problem as well
[18:00] <pikapika> oh wait
[18:00] <pikapika> apparently they already solved it
[18:00] <pikapika> Let me check the version
[18:00] <brainwash> yes
[18:00] <brainwash> thunar 1.8.3
[18:00] <pikapika> Okay 1.8.4
[18:01] <pikapika> or 3
[18:01] <brainwash> xubuntu 19.04 will have it
[18:01] <pikapika> I see yes
[18:01] <pikapika> In the meanwhile will it work if I somehow manually build and install it?
[18:01] <pikapika> How'd you suppress the apt one in that case?
[18:02] <brainwash> you can use the official xubuntu PPA
[18:02] <wb9688> Oh, and to even view light-locker, I have to press Ctrl-Alt-F7 on my laptop, just space (or whatever) doesn't work.
[18:02] <pikapika> Okay but
[18:02] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[18:02] <pikapika> Given the same package existing in two diff ppas
[18:02] <pikapika> How do I enforce the use of a particular version?
[18:03] <brainwash> with apt pinning I guess
[18:03] <brainwash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[18:04] <brainwash> wb9688: so, it start with a blank screen?
[18:04] <brainwash> starts
[18:05] <pikapika> Okay so it apparently reccommends to use backports
[18:05] <wb9688> No, when I press space, it does exactly nothing. It just keeps 'reinitializing' the screen on and on, like it was already doing. Just when I press Ctrl-Alt-F7, something will happen.
[18:07] <brainwash> that's quite confusing
[18:10] <wb9688> Yeah, I'm just having a lot of issues with LightDM, but can't really find much about it on the internet, even though I could reproduce it myself with different distros and some issues even with different machines. GDM works well though, but it depends on all that GNOME crap.
[18:10] <brainwash> GDM screen locking?
[18:11] <wb9688> Yes, running in Ubuntu 18.10 (so full GNOME).
[18:12] <wb9688> If you were asking about GDM working well (and not about depending on GNOME crap).
[18:13] <wb9688> And 5 min later, my laptop still keeps reinitializing the screen, so I don't think it's related to that lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings setting.
[18:13] <brainwash> with 19.04 getting released soon I would give that a try
[18:14] <wb9688> Xubuntu 19.04? OK, I'll give that a try when released.
[18:14] <brainwash> booting the live ISO should do for a quick test
[18:15] <brainwash> other than that, switch to xscreensaver, xfce4-screensaver (from the previous linked PPA), or any other screen locker
[18:15] <wb9688> Will that also fix the LightDM crashing when disconnecting a monitor?
[18:16] <wb9688> Never mind, with that it won't even go to LightDM, right?
[18:16] <brainwash> right
[18:17] <wb9688> Btw are there like beta live ISOs of 19.04?
[18:17] <brainwash> lightdm will only be used as login screen after booting the system or after terminating a user session
[18:17] <brainwash> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:18] <brainwash> !19.04
[18:18] <wb9688> Thanks! I'll try that tomorrow.
[18:18] <brainwash> ohh
[18:18] <brainwash> final release is in two days
[18:20] <wb9688> Oh, then I'll wait another day I guess.
[18:21] <wb9688> And I don't really like that with another screen locker I won't have the same login and unlock screen, but that's more acceptable than just light-locker not really working.
[18:21] <pikapika> wb9688, use the jwz one
[18:22] <pikapika> Thats what I am doing
[18:22] <wb9688> jwz?
[18:22] <pikapika> xscreensaver
[18:22] <brainwash> wb9688: I have good news then
[18:23] <pikapika> The ligh locker one was giving me trouble so I replaced it with xscreensaver which was what used to be in older xubuntu versions
[18:23] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver resembles the lightdm-gtk-greeter login screen
[18:23] <wb9688> Really? That's kinda nice!
[18:24] <wb9688> Does it use GTK+ 2 or 3?
[18:24] <brainwash> no point in using 2 anymore
[18:27] <wb9688> Yeah, but maybe it hasn't been ported yet or something. Though I don't like that GTK+ 3's file picker uses type-to-search (which is also slow) instead of type-to-jump.
[18:28] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver is new
[18:29] <brainwash> 19.04 is the first release to have it packaged
[18:29] <wb9688> Oh, I thought I had seen that package a long time ago in aptitude or something.
[18:30] <brainwash> screenshot https://i.imgur.com/PqUvs02.png
[18:30] <wb9688> But apparantly long couldn't be longer than 18 October 2018, lol.
[18:32] <wb9688> Does that switch user button go to LightDM in another VT? And does it look at LightDM GTK+ greeter's config for the theme, items in the top bar, etc? Or does it have its own config? Or no config for that at all?
[18:33] <brainwash> not sure how the theming works
[18:33] <brainwash> user switching does involve lightdm and the gtk greeter
[18:34] <wb9688> Yeah, OK, not that that matters for me, since I only have 1 non-service user other than root (which of course doesn't have a password, since that'd be stupid).
[18:35] <wb9688> I was just curious about that.


[03:09] <xivulon> I have uploaded some code for wubi-gutsy (among others it now supports --liveboot cmdline argument)
[03:10] <xivulon> but it's late here and am to tired to test, will do tomorrow (read: no binary yet)
[03:10] <xivulon> night everyone