[10:03] <netkid91> *drivers...
[10:05] <calvarez> en donde me bajo el automatix
[10:05] <MachineScrew> netkid91: one day
[10:06] <ninHer> calvarez:  http://beerorkid.com/automatix
[10:06] <MachineScrew> !automatix
[10:06] <ubotu> well, automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[10:06] <Tm_T> !easyubuntu
[10:06] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[10:07] <Tm_T> this thing is clear: big NO! to automatix, easyubuntu is somewhat replacing it much safer way
[10:07] <calvarez> thank
[10:08] <calvarez> como configuro openoffice2 en espaol en kubuntu
[10:08] <Tm_T> !es
[10:08] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:08] <Tm_T> or use english
[10:09] <MachineScrew> ya what Tm_T said
[10:10] <dell500> what kind of HDs should I steer clear for?
[10:10] <MachineScrew> none realy
[10:10] <calvarez> thank
[10:10] <MachineScrew> they all work pretty well in linux
[10:11] <dell500> well i've had problems with WD i think... i'm not sure
[10:11] <dell500> that's why i ask... more of a personal question than general one
[10:12] <MachineScrew> WD is good so is Maxtor but my dads IBM drives are failing
[10:12] <MachineScrew> also there are drives with 5yr warrenty
[10:12] <MachineScrew> or 3 yr warenty
[10:12] <dell500> well i could get a maxtor internal and just get the enclosure for less than $200 i think
[10:12] <dell500> i love seagate, ime
[10:12] <MachineScrew> so get those stear clear of 1 year warrenty
[10:13] <calvarez> openoffice2 in spanish
[10:13] <calvarez> how to
[10:15] <MachineScrew> calvarez: run sudo apt-get install language-support-es openoffice.org-l10n-es openoffice.org-help-es myspell-es
[10:16] <dell500> what's the program that tells you what's running and how much cpu/memory it's using?
[10:16] <MachineScrew> dell500: top
[10:16] <Bobrownik> is there an app in linux to test the cpu stability , like prime95 in windows or something like that ?
[10:17] <MachineScrew> Bobrownik: make the kernel with make -j3
[10:17] <MachineScrew> but thats kinda over kill
[10:18] <MachineScrew> Bobrownik: yes sudo apt-get cpuburn or stress
[10:18] <Bobrownik> im a newb , i have no clue about anything to do with kernel
[10:19] <MachineScrew> well the last command will get you the progam to do it without involving the kernel besides i was jk
[10:19] <Bobrownik> ok , ill try the cpu burn , thank you
[10:19] <MachineScrew> Bobrownik: thats all one word now
[10:19] <Bobrownik> k
[10:31] <jarlath> Does anyone that has tried Kubuntu Dapper think that its worth the upgrade? I have a pretty solid Breezy system, but wireless networking doesnt roam and hibernate doesnt work.
[10:31] <robotgeek> jarlath: well, don't upgrade right away then
[10:37] <Ferdinand98324> how can I do a screenshoot without using ksnapshot in kubuntu breezy?
[10:37] <Ferdinand98324> there's any hotkey?
[10:37] <Tonio_> Ferdinand98324: print screen :)
[10:37] <Tonio_> Ferdinand98324: if you're using dapper only
[10:38] <Ferdinand98324> well, I'm using breezy :(
[10:38] <Ferdinand98324> and it doesn't work
[10:38] <DiL> you can define your hotkeys and use ksnapshot
[10:39] <Ferdinand98324> well, I was trying to not use it, but no prob...
[10:39] <Ferdinand98324> how can I play wma or wav files under kaffeine?
[10:40] <Ferdinand98324> I search for the codecs
[10:40] <MachineScrew> print screen key is maped to it
[10:40] <Tonio_> MachineScrew: with dapper only
[10:40] <MachineScrew> !wma
[10:40] <Ferdinand98324> but I get no results
[10:40] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:41] <MachineScrew> Ferdinand98324: you need w32codecs
[10:41] <joey^^> How do you select a mixer device in kbuntu? I have onboard and sound card. I tried to use kmix but i don't think it actually selects the mixer device for the entire system. In gnome i just used the volume control app to select the mixer device and it worked.
[10:42] <MachineScrew> in control panel there is Sound and Multimedia
[10:42] <joey^^> i looked in there, but that didn't work either
[10:42] <MachineScrew> there is a hardware tab
[10:43] <MachineScrew> there you can select what card you want
[10:43] <Excaliber> Hello
[10:43] <joey^^> in ubuntu all i did was go into the volume control and did file->select device and changed to my audigy
[10:44] <MachineScrew> ya I know but kde is a little differnet
[10:44] <joey^^> MachineScrew: i tried every setting in there, none work
[10:44] <MachineScrew> joey^^: why do you have 2 sound cards anyway
[10:45] <joey^^> MachineScrew: well, i have two mixer devices, onboard ac'97 intell chipset and a audigy 2 zs card i installed manually
[10:45] <Excaliber> Hello everyone.
[10:45] <MachineScrew> thats a laptop card ?
[10:46] <joey^^> MachineScrew: they both work fine in ubuntu and gentoo, but i can't seem to get any output from kbuntu :(
[10:46] <MachineScrew> hmm
[10:46] <joey^^> na, it's a standard pci
[10:46] <MachineScrew> on a desktop so it should be possible to turn off the intel card in the BIOS
[10:47] <MachineScrew> unless you need it
[10:47] <joey^^> well, normally all you do is a select a mixer device for the system
[10:47] <MachineScrew> if you need it well damn I never had to use 2 cards
[10:47] <joey^^> and it uses that
[10:47] <joey^^> i only have one card, the intel ac'97 is on the motherboard
[10:47] <MachineScrew> um
[10:48] <jarlath> robotgeek: thanks.
[10:48] <Excaliber> Does anyone need any help?
[10:48] <MachineScrew> well the other thing is open alsa mixer
[10:48] <Excaliber> ?
[10:48] <MachineScrew> or to install another program to control the two mixers
[10:49] <MachineScrew> but because I don't my self have 2 cards installed I can't helpp
[10:49] <Excaliber> = \
[10:49] <MachineScrew> have you tried this in other KDE systems
[10:49] <joey^^> i openned alsamixer, but the problem is that kde tries to take over the sound system just like gnome
[10:49] <MachineScrew> or just GNOME
[10:49] <Excaliber> Nice try MachineScrew
[10:49] <MachineScrew> damn
[10:50] <Excaliber> Are you trying to play something?
[10:50] <MachineScrew> because #kde might have an answer
[10:50] <Excaliber> joey^^, whats the problem?
[10:50] <MachineScrew> Excaliber: he has 2 sound cards one onboard the other pci
[10:50] <Excaliber> Hmm.
[10:50] <jarlath> I've just noticed that kmplayer isn't in the repos. Thats pretty surprising for a kde based distro.
[10:50] <Excaliber> And what doesn he want to do?
[10:50] <Excaliber> does*
[10:50] <MachineScrew> Excaliber: and he wants to control both cards
[10:51] <Excaliber> Why would he do that?
[10:51] <Excaliber> Just use one.
[10:51] <Excaliber> = \
[10:51] <MachineScrew> Excaliber: with Kmix
[10:51] <joey^^> Excaliber: i can't get any output from my sound card under kbuntu
[10:51] <MachineScrew> that what I asked
[10:51] <Excaliber> Hmm.
[10:51] <Excaliber> Did you try testing your sound?
[10:52] <joey^^> well it all works fine using ubuntu and gentoo
[10:52] <joey^^> only kbuntu wont output any sound
[10:52] <Excaliber> Test the sound on kubuntu
[10:52] <MachineScrew> Excaliber: in other words gnome
[10:52] <Excaliber> system>settings>sound system or something like that
[10:52] <joey^^> i don't get any sound, thats my point
[10:52] <joey^^> yep, i tried all that
[10:52] <joey^^> nothing
[10:52] <Excaliber> Hmm.
[10:53] <joey^^> no sound, i think it's trying to use my onboard sound
[10:53] <joey^^> thats why
[10:53] <MachineScrew> right
[10:53] <joey^^> i tried using kmix to select my audigy mixer device
[10:53] <MachineScrew> did you try pluging in speakers to the onboard card
[10:53] <joey^^> but i don't think that actually selects the device for the sysem
[10:53] <joey^^> system*
[10:53] <joey^^> ye, i could try that
[10:54] <MachineScrew> ya but that would tell you one is working
[10:54] <joey^^> ye, i'm gonna have to disc to unravel all these wires
[10:55] <joey^^> brb
[10:58] <Excaliber> Why don't you reinstall kde
[10:59] <joey^^> yep, as i thought works
[10:59] <joey^^> it's trying to use my onboard mixer
[10:59] <Excaliber> Hmm.
[10:59] <Excaliber> Nice job.
[10:59] <joey^^> kmix wont select my audigy device
[11:01] <joey^^> in gnome i just did volume control file-.select device and changed to my audigy and it worked fine
[11:01] <Excaliber> Hmm.
[11:01] <joey^^> i can't see a way to do the same thing in kbuntu though
[11:01] <Excaliber> well kde is way different from gnome
[11:02] <joey^^> kmixer doesn't allow you to change mixer device and the multimedia system settings doesn't have a mixer device selection
[11:02] <joey^^> so i'm stumped :(
[11:02] <Excaliber> hmm.
[11:08] <Excaliber> Hello.
[11:08] <Excaliber> Anyone else need help?
[11:08] <joey^^> yes... :/
[11:09] <joey^^> ok, looks like im going back to ubuntu
[11:12] <m_tadeu> good night everyone...after installing kubuntu5.1 amd64 my pcmcia modem don't seem to work
[11:14] <m_tadeu> does anyone know if there is a problem with the pcmcia or serial driver in kernel 2.6.12?
[11:25] <harleypig> I just upgraded to Dapper on a dual core amd64 athlon system.
[11:26] <harleypig> I can't seem to get x working again.
[11:26] <harleypig> basically, startx starts then hangs.  I have an nvidia card
[11:28] <harleypig> using "nv" driver appears to be working corectly ...
[11:33] <Ferdinand98324> I've installed w32codecs but I can't play WMV files, I tried installing xine plugin to kaffeine
[11:33] <Ferdinand98324> but kaffeine is still saying "can't finde the decoder"
[11:34] <Ferdinand98324> when kaffeine starts it says that w32 has been installed successfully, and all other libraries
[11:34] <Ferdinand98324> what can I do for playing .WMV files under kaffeine?
[11:34] <Ferdinand98324> the same happens with .WAV files
[11:35] <Kev1n> Ferdinand98324 i will be watching for an answer as I have exactly the same problem
[11:36] <paulvolk> Hey Guys
[11:36] <Kev1n> :)
[11:37] <Ferdinand98324> Kevin, how can I send that red private message? :s
[11:37] <paulvolk> I have a question, When I installed my system it never came kynaptic instead a program called adept. Should I install kynaptic and use it or just stick with adept?
[11:37] <Kev1n> adpt is very good
[11:37] <Kev1n> adept is excellent
[11:38] <paulvolk> so just stick with it?
[11:38] <Kev1n> ferninado98234: i dont understand your question
[11:38] <Kev1n> paulvolk: yes mate
[11:39] <Ferdinand98324> someone have any idea about working with WMV files under kaffine?...I got correctly installed w32codecs
[11:39] <paulvolk> ok thanks
[11:40] <Sergi0> Ferdinand98324: you could try vlc, it runs alot, its somewhere in the repro's
[11:42] <Ferdinand98324> sergio, do u mean the VLC player
[11:43] <Ferdinand98324> ?
[11:43] <Ferdinand98324> I solved my KDE 3.5.2 problem yesterday XD
[11:43] <Ferdinand98324> :D
[11:44] <mvv> what's the easy way of converting a second (NTFS) harddisk to linux a filesystem?
[11:47] <Sergi0> mvv: u know cfdisk? in terminal, use that, it does wonders :)
[11:47] <Sergi0> mvv: oh converting... hmm
[11:47] <Sergi0> mvv: just get the data out of there what u need, then repartition it, set it back after that? thats the easy way
[11:47] <mvv> Sergi0: no the data may delete (no i only know fdisk)
[11:48] <Sergi0> mvv: may what? its okay to delete or not?
[11:48] <mvv> yes i have put the data on another computer already :)
[11:49] <mvv> can i just do mkfs.ext3?
[11:49] <harleypig> well, on the plus side, it seems I can now use my wireless card with smp enabled
[11:49] <harleypig> but I can't seem to get nvidia to work under smp.
[11:49] <harleypig> (this is under Dapper)
[11:49] <Sergi0> mvv: you can use that after you partition the disk yes
[11:49] <harleypig> anyone know of anything I can do?
[11:51] <mvv> okey, thanks Sergi0, i think i know what todo and with some manpage reading i'll get there probably... (and if not i'll scream here again, lol )
[11:52] <Sergi0> mvv: yeah, its not that hard, gl!
[11:56] <Ferdinand98324> I can't play mp3
[11:56] <Ferdinand98324> under xmms either :(
[11:57] <Sergi0> Ferdinand98324: check the forums or wiki, there should be alot of info about it
[11:58] <Sergi0> hi mvv :)
[11:59] <mvv> hi (my modem in unstable ;( )
[12:02] <Ferdinand98324> hi wmv :(
[12:03] <mvv> when i do cfdisk /dev/sdb i get: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive Press any key to exit cfdisk
[12:04] <mvv> oh, shoot me
[12:04] <mvv> works, sry


[00:55] <MitoTranin> Anyone have any bright ideas on the best way to get my IR receiver to work with Mythbuntu the best?
[00:55] <MitoTranin> http://irblaster.info/receiver.html
[01:12] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, did you look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[01:34] <solarbaby> BeBopBop..Bop
[01:38] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: yes, but because of the majorly customized lirc in mythbuntu, I didn't want to go screwing around with that until I knew that there wasn't something else like it
[01:38] <MitoTranin> in reality, just a standard IR receiver like this is a lot more common than a lot of the other setups that are listed in the remote control configs
[01:39] <MitoTranin> that's why I'm actually quite surprised something like "Serial IR" or something like that isn't a standard option
[01:39] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, ask superm1 when he gets back on.  I think he has that serial adapter
[01:40] <MitoTranin> I'll try to catch him, thanks :)
[01:40] <MitoTranin> that's the only thing left stopping me from using my MythTV actually on my TV right now
[01:41] <MitoTranin> which would be very cool to have... since I've been working on getting a MythTV system working on it for almost 2 years
[01:41] <MitoTranin> well, 1.5 years
[01:42] <solarbaby> thats a long time
[01:42] <MitoTranin> While I'm on that subject... don't ever buy anything from this guy: http://www.home-electro.com/
[01:42] <solarbaby> I had a real battle getting the USBUIRT working with Dish Network, but after 2 weeks I solved it and wrote a howto for it
[01:43] <MitoTranin> I had my system working 99%, all that was left was getting the IR to work
[01:43] <MitoTranin> but that stupid IRA-3 never worked in linux
[01:43] <MitoTranin> it'd work in windows fine, but not linux
[01:43] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: what does the IR have to talk too?
[01:43] <MitoTranin> a remote control
[01:43] <MitoTranin> I just need it to receive from the remote control... that's it...
[01:43] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: thats an interesting setup..  sounds like it shouldb't be that hard?
[01:44] <MitoTranin> yeah, well, the IRA-3 doesn't use a standard driver
[01:44] <MitoTranin> it uses a slightly customized version of the IRman driver
[01:44] <MitoTranin> but that customization never works
[01:44] <MitoTranin> I even called up the guy, told him about my problems, and he said he'd work on it and get it to work
[01:45] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: when I was having such a hard time getting the UIRT to work, I was debating running Windows in VMware just for remote functions
[01:45] <MitoTranin> gave him 2 months, emailing periodically asking for updates
[01:45] <MitoTranin> finally called him back, and I got him to tell me the truth, in that he never even personally tested it in linux, even though he says it works, and that he never worked on it after I called him the first time
[01:46] <MitoTranin> at that time, I demanded my money back... he reluctantly agreed, and said he would send it to me...
[01:46] <MitoTranin> I never got anything from him, and now I can't get in touch with him anymore
[01:46] <solarbaby> and never did?
[01:46] <MitoTranin> yet he's still selling them
[01:46] <MitoTranin> brb
[01:46] <solarbaby> lame..  sounds like you should just be able to buy a $15 IR Blaster and go to town
[01:47] <williammanda> hey guys
[01:47] <solarbaby> I just like you bought something that wasn't well supported by LIRC, and my device costed $50 and I bought it way before I started using Myth..  so I struggled for 2 weeks to make this device work.. but it works now..  I was sooo tempted to just spend $15 and buy a IR Blaster, I probably should have
[01:47] <solarbaby> Hello williammanda
[01:48] <williammanda> i'm getting a blue-ish screen sometimes after being in mythtv and returning
[01:48] <solarbaby> I've never had that problem
[01:49] <williammanda> ex. watch a program in mythtv and going into xine to watch a dvd
[01:49] <solarbaby> I still haven't tested watching DVD's on Myth Yet
[01:49] <williammanda> I have to reboot my computer to correct it
[01:49] <solarbaby> I should probably do that sometime
[01:49] <williammanda> I have a core 2 duo
[01:50] <solarbaby> My Xbox's can access Mythtv through a program I run on the Xbox.. so when I play Dvd's I play them straight through the xbox itself bypassing mythtv all together
[01:50] <williammanda> several people are having the same problem on ubuntu forums
[01:50] <williammanda> i do the same...get out of mythtv to play dvd's
[01:51] <solarbaby> nod
[01:51] <solarbaby> I dont want to do anything to make Myth unstable.. its working lovely
[01:52] <williammanda> right now I have programs recording....but I can't watch anything....in mythtv or xine...blue-ish screen
[01:52] <solarbaby> I'd say get a Xbox, but nobody listens to me :)
[01:52] <MitoTranin> williammanda: have you tried to exit the frontend and go back into it?
[01:53] <MitoTranin> or possibly do a ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X?
[01:53] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: yeah, well, the website made it look like all I had to do was tell lirc that it was an IRblaster...  it lied...
[01:54] <MitoTranin> anyways, I finally gave up on it, and just used MythTV for recordings etc and just watched them through my PC
[01:54] <MitoTranin> then my tuner died, and I couldn't even do that
[01:54] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I remember following some directions that sounded like that..  I ended up reinstalling to get LIrc back to default
[01:54] <MitoTranin> so I got a new one, and couldn't get it to work under Fedora, so I changed to normal Ubuntu
[01:54] <williammanda> Mito....I can do that....but I would like to correct what is getting me into that situation
[01:54] <MitoTranin> still couldn't get it to work after a while, found Mythbuntu, and tried that
[01:55] <MitoTranin> still couldn't get it to work... but finally after sitting down and working with it for a while, and spending a LOT of time in IRC, I got that working
[01:55] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: so are you just going to go buy a IR Blaster now? and solve the case?
[01:55] <MitoTranin> now all I need to do is get my new IR working, and I'm FINALLY able to use my MythTV on my TV!
[01:55] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: sweeet
[01:56] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: no, I gave up on the whole ira-3 thing a long time ago
[01:56] <MitoTranin> it's sitting here, doing nothing...
[01:56] <MitoTranin> I have this now: http://www.home-electro.com/
[01:56] <MitoTranin> err, bah
[01:56] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I understand where your coming from.. I was lucky that googling gave me just enough answers after 2 weeks of it to get my hardware working
[01:56] <MitoTranin> nobody follow that link, he's a theif... I'll get the right link
[01:56] <MitoTranin> here's the right one that I have now: http://irblaster.info/receiver.html
[01:57] <MitoTranin> google did me no good...
[01:57] <MitoTranin> BUT, thankfully, I now have it figured out...
[01:57] <MitoTranin> my cousin bought the same tuner
[01:57] <MitoTranin> used my instructions, and got his working
[01:58] <MitoTranin> now, superm1 is going to try to get the tuner supported directly in Ubuntu, and my cousin is getting someone to get it into the linux kernel itself
[01:58] <MitoTranin> yay!
[01:58] <solarbaby> that looks inexpensive..  god I haven't used a serial anything for such a long time
[01:59] <solarbaby> sweeet
[01:59] <solarbaby> are you setup for HDTV?
[01:59] <solarbaby> thats something i'd like to do with my next box
[01:59] <solarbaby> I went the easy route with my current hardware..  Hauppauge 350
[02:00] <solarbaby> It seriously pays off to get well supported hardware
[02:04] <williammanda> Nx decoder seems to be the problem
[02:04] <MitoTranin> yeah, well my tuner that died was a PVR-350
[02:04] <solarbaby> damn
[02:04] <williammanda> sorry Xv
[02:05] <MitoTranin> williammanda: does that give you enough info to plug into google and get a solution?
[02:05] <williammanda> This points to a problem with the Xv extension
[02:05] <williammanda> this is what xine says...through google
[02:05] <MitoTranin> that should be well documented I would think... any solutions listed?
[02:06] <williammanda> only for xine...not mythtv
[02:06] <williammanda> so the question still remains....what is the solution for mythtv?
[02:06] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: I originally had a pcHDTV 3000, but since I found out that I don't have any over-the-air HDTV near me, and I don't plan on paying $200/mo for cable anytime soon, I sold it on ebay while my PVR-350 was broken
[02:07] <MitoTranin> williammanda: for playing content such as that, mythtv uxes xine I believe
[02:07] <MitoTranin> so try that solution and see if it works
[02:07] <MitoTranin> brb, baby is fussing
[02:07] <williammanda> i don't use xine for media playback
[02:07] <williammanda> only dvd.....
[02:08] <williammanda> i watch pre-recorded shows through mythtv
[02:09] <williammanda> if you guys don't have a solution please say so....
[02:09] <MitoTranin> I'm by no means a mythtv expert... I would wait for others and see what they say
[02:09] <williammanda> ty
[02:09] <MitoTranin> I would also check out #mythtv-users and see if anyone over there knows anything
[02:10] <williammanda> i can never get an answer there.....they expect you to be a expert to start off with...
[02:11] <williammanda> in my year experience with mythtv....they have answered about 5 % of my questions
[02:11] <MitoTranin> tgm4883_laptop: any ideas?
[02:12] <MitoTranin> brb
[02:12] <williammanda> tgm...wakeup
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest32> Hey Everyone, when I try to watch Live TV MythTV reports "No Lock" with my pcHDTV 5500 cards.
[02:16] <MythbuntuGuest32> Also, when I try to record a show the recording always fails.
[02:16] <MythbuntuGuest32> Why?
[02:17] <MythbuntuGuest32> I have 3 dsp devices (/dev/dsp, /dev/dsp1, /dev/dsp2), and my two cards are set to use dsp1 and dsp2.
[03:07] <dwf_starband2> im trying to get a remote working on my frontend only machine, i have selected the mce old version and when i push buttons on the remote the reciver lights up, but it doesnt do anything in the myth-frontend, when i try irw in the terminal it "hangs" waiting for input but pushing buttons on the remote doesnt register on the screen.
[03:28] <dwf_starband2> I tried the "new" mce phillips and got the same results
[03:29] <dwf_starband2> any ideas?
[03:33] <CCB0x45> hey
[03:34] <CCB0x45> im trying to set up my tv... but it always says no valid modes for my modelines
[03:34] <CCB0x45> but I dont know what is breaking the modeline
[03:34] <CCB0x45> is there any way to just force no checks at all?
[03:34] <CCB0x45> I am already turning off a lot of checks
[04:01] <dwf_starband2> anybody here tonight?
[04:01] <CCB0x45> me
[04:02] <CCB0x45> trying to get my tv working
[04:02] <dwf_starband2> have you activated your restricted drivers?
[04:04] <CCB0x45> yes
[04:05] <CCB0x45> it rejects all my modelines
[04:05] <dwf_starband2> nvidia?
[04:05] <CCB0x45> yes
[04:05] <dwf_starband2> are you using the nvidia-settings to change the settings?
[04:06] <CCB0x45> no
[04:06] <CCB0x45> because it doesnt put the right resolutions there
[04:06] <CCB0x45> the highest it shows there is 1024
[04:06] <CCB0x45> I need 1280x720
[04:06] <dwf_starband2> oh, then its above my head, sorry
[04:07] <CCB0x45> yea
[04:07] <CCB0x45> fucking impossible
[04:07] <CCB0x45> works from OS 10
[04:08] <dwf_starband2> im pretty new, but it seems the impossible always turns out to be pretty simple, its just finding the simple solution
[04:17] <dwf_starband2> anyone around that knows about setting up a remote in mythbuntu?
[05:00] <tgm4883> dwf_starband2, what remote
[05:06] <dwf_starband2> mce 1069 shown here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Older_remote
[05:07] <dwf_starband2> i dont need to transmit, its just a frontend but I do need it to receive
[05:17] <dwf_starband2> it seems that usb isnt working now, I thought it was kind of flakey earlier when i tried using a usb mouse and it was too jerky to use.  are there issues with usb not working with mythbuntu instillations? its a pretty old computer so im sure its not usb2 if that makes a difference
[05:21] <dwf_starband2> hello?
[05:32] <solarbaby> USB works fine over here.. right out of the box
[05:33] <solarbaby> So far my keyboard,mouse,dvd burner, USbUirt, are all working with usb..  and I didn't have to do a thing
[05:34] <dwf_starband2> ok, new computer or older?
[05:35] <solarbaby> both on a newer and older.. usb2.0 and 1.1
[05:36] <solarbaby> chances are your computer is dog old ;)
[05:36] <dwf_starband2> it is, I know its old but with a video card it plays video fine, what more do I really need for a frontend?
[05:37] <solarbaby> good point
[05:37] <dwf_starband2> its a p3
[05:38] <solarbaby> my laptop is a p3 and it works on that too
[05:38] <dwf_starband2> well under 1.0ghz i dont remember what , ive been playing with a couple of old computers lately
[05:38] <solarbaby> video out isn't working on it though
[05:38] <dwf_starband2> i think like 666 or something like that
[05:40] <dwf_starband2> im downloading 100mb of updates so maybe there is something in that mess that will help
[05:43] <solarbaby> yeah thats a good idea
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest65> hi
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest65> although i just posted to the forum
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest65> maybe someone in here can help me directly :)
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest65> I have a mac mini and would like to use it as a frontend
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest65> but my wlan is not working correctly
[12:35] <MythbuntuGuest65> the problem is that I cannot connect to my wpa2 secured router
[12:35] <MythbuntuGuest65> I see him but cant connect
[12:35] <MythbuntuGuest65> is it a problem with wpa2??
[14:29] <therethinker> $test
[14:30] <Daviey> therethinker: mythbot being a yoyo?
[14:33] <therethinker> Yeah
[14:42] <therethinker> Hmm... I could make a second bot that recessitates mythbot...
[14:42] <therethinker> that would be... interesting and overcomplicated :P
[16:14] <therethinker> Okay -- now mythbot should auto-resurrect itself
[16:35] <tgm4883> therethinker, is this a test?
[16:35] <therethinker> I'm protecting the secret channel
[16:35] <therethinker> I hate to kick mythbot
[16:35] <therethinker> *had
[16:36] <tgm4883> ah
[16:38] <tgm4883> $die
[16:38] <mythbot> I die frequently.  It's my prerogative.  Watch out though, one of these day's i'm taking ubotu with me.
[16:39] <therethinker> :P
[16:39] <therethinker> I suck at /mode'ing
[16:43] <therethinker> Grahh-- I can't protect my second bot!
[16:43] <therethinker> or the first one, for that matter
[16:47] <therethinker> can someone help me? #mythbot
[17:14] <tafkaz> hi there....mythbuntu 7.10 here 64 bit... i treid to update to the weekly builds....and now have loads of problems....
[17:14] <tafkaz> somehow trunk packages have come into the update
[17:14] <tafkaz> although i followed the description for the normal updates
[17:15] <tafkaz> is there a way to downgrade the packages back to cd version ?
[17:15] <tafkaz> i have a dump of the database of course
[17:16] <tafkaz> i thought that mybe synaptics force version would help.....but that thing behaves very strange
[17:17] <tgm4883> tafkaz, can you pastebin your sources.list
[17:17] <tafkaz> besides i have huge problems with wlan now on ubuntu 7.10
[17:17] <tafkaz> yes moment
[17:19] <tafkaz> http://pastebin.org/6142
[17:20] <tgm4883> i don't see any weekly builds in there
[17:20] <marcel__> any1 know when new weeklybuilds for trunk wil be avaiable ?
[17:21] <tgm4883> um, weekly?
[17:21] <tafkaz> i took them out again
[17:21] <tafkaz> besides they would be in a sources file in sources.list.d
[17:22] <tgm4883> then can you list your old sources.list file?  Perhaps sources.list~
[17:22] <tafkaz> mythbuntu-gutsy.list and it contains
[17:23] <tafkaz> deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu gutsy multiverse universe restricted main
[17:23] <tgm4883> yea, that would be the trunk repo
[17:23] <tgm4883> not the regular repo
[17:23] <kritzstapf> can i test my dvb-t-tuner with the mythtv livecd?
[17:23] <tafkaz> hmmmm then the descripitionis wrong
[17:23] <tgm4883> deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu feisty multiverse universe restricted main
[17:23] <tgm4883> let me check it
[17:23] <tgm4883> sec
[17:23] <tafkaz> echo "deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu feisty multiverse universe restricted main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-feisty.list
[17:24] <tafkaz> and i just changed feisty to gutsy
[17:24] <tgm4883> ok
[17:25] <tgm4883> you must have went farther down the page and grabbed trunk when you did it
[17:25] <tafkaz> oh my.....i just saw the mythbuntu-trunk there
[17:25] <tafkaz> yup....you'Re absolutely right !
[17:25] <tafkaz> shit...
[17:25] <tgm4883> ok
[17:25] <tgm4883> sec
[17:25] <tgm4883> let me see what we can do
[17:25] <tafkaz> can i turn back ?
[17:26] <tafkaz> good !
[17:26] <tafkaz> thanx
[17:26] <tafkaz> i could just uninstall everything and reinstall from weekly builds
[17:26] <tafkaz> as i have the mysql db dumped (from before the update
[17:27] <marcel__> what deb line can i use best for weekly trunk ? uk.weeklybuilds or weeklybuilds ?
[17:27] <tgm4883> marcel__, where do you live?
[17:27] <tafkaz> allthough maybe i would better first install the cdrom-packages then reread the db and then update with WB
[17:28] <marcel__> .nl I always used uk. but i just added the line u pposted
[17:28] <tgm4883> tafkaz, sec
[17:28] <tafkaz> ok
[17:28] <marcel__> and now i get updates
[17:28] <tgm4883> marcel__, they are the same repo, just different servers
[17:28] <marcel__> weird, or did u just add new weeklybuilds /
[17:28] <marcel__> ?
[17:28] <tgm4883> marcel__, sec, let me finish with this first
[17:29] <marcel__> oki
[17:29] <tgm4883> tafkaz,
 is there a way to revert from trunk to the regular repo builds
 or to the regular weekly builds
 yes, by installing the old packages and using the database backup to go back to the old state.
 both steps are mandatory
[17:29] <tafkaz> ok...
[17:30] <tafkaz> ok
[17:30] <tgm4883> marcel__, what do you mean did we just add new weekly builds?  There are weekly builds of both 20.2 and of trunk
[17:31] <tafkaz> so i would uninstall every trunk-pkg...then install the old cdrom packages (which i hope will be found by apt...) restore the db, and everything will work ?
[17:32] <marcel__> well I have the uk deb line. But for the past 4 weeks there weren't any new weekly builds. I Just switched to the weeklybuilds deb and now i get updates. So i was wondering if they were out of sync
[17:33] <tgm4883> hmm,
[17:33] <tgm4883> marcel__, let me check on that
[17:33] <marcel__> Also should i add medibuntu repos ? or are they not needed ?
[17:33] <marcel__> oki
[17:33] <tgm4883> tafkaz, sec
[17:33] <tafkaz> yup
[17:34] <tgm4883> tafkaz, you could use the regular ubuntu repos for the mythtv install because it's the same as the cd
[17:34] <tafkaz> ok....i will try now...
[17:35] <tafkaz> ok...back and tryi9ng to reinstall
[17:35] <tafkaz> cross your fingers
[17:38] <tgm4883> marcel__, can you post your sources.list
[17:38] <marcel__> deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu gutsy multiverse universe restricted main
[17:38] <marcel__> before it was deb http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu gutsy multiverse universe restricted main
[17:38] <tgm4883> k
[17:38] <tgm4883> sec
[17:41] <tafkaz> to restore the database....what is the best way ?
[17:42] <marcel__> mysql < backup.sql ?
[17:42] <tafkaz> hm...ok but drop and recreate before ?
[17:42] <tgm4883> marcel__, i'm checking with the uk mirror, but he is afk right now
[17:42] <tgm4883> i'd drop before
[17:42] <tafkaz> ok
[17:42] <marcel__> np ill use the other one to update
[17:45] <tafkaz> its doing something !!!
[17:46] <tafkaz> :-)
[17:47] <therethinker> New mythbot features!
[17:47] <therethinker> $additem.
[17:47] <mythbot> format '$additem:keyword:description' -- Not everyone can do this, only mythtv devs!
[17:47] <therethinker> $changeitem.
[17:47] <mythbot> format '$changeitem:keyword:description' -- Not everyone can do this, only mythtv devs!
[17:47] <therethinker> (the . is there to say the help text, instead of executing)
[17:48] <therethinker> $changeitem:update:New add/changeitem commands (for help, say "$additem." or "$changeitem." ), a secondary bot to reboot me when I die
[17:48] <mythbot> Changed help file for update
[17:49] <tafkaz> worked like charm !
[17:49] <tafkaz> thank you
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone know of an adjustable wall mount for a 37in lcd screen
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> good to hear tafkaz
[17:49] <tafkaz> yup
[17:49] <therethinker> I haven't, no
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i want it to adjust left right, not just up down
[17:49] <tgm4883_laptop> tilt i mean
[17:50] <tafkaz> echo "deb http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu gutsy multiverse universe restricted main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mythbuntu-gutsy.list
[17:50] <tafkaz> is that the correct command now ?
[17:50] <tgm4883_laptop> should be
[17:51] <tgm4883_laptop> thats not trunk
[17:51] <tafkaz> ok
[17:51] <tafkaz> good so !
[17:51] <tafkaz> hehe....update er now...
[17:52] <tafkaz> ups... i meant....
[17:52] <tafkaz> hehe....update looks much better now
[17:57] <MythbuntuGuest68> hello
[17:57] <therethinker> $hello
[17:57] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[17:58] <MythbuntuGuest68> have dual pvr 150's
[17:58] <MythbuntuGuest68> backend can only scan 13 channels
[17:58] <therethinker> Heh -- I had the same problem
[17:58] <MythbuntuGuest68> we have over 150
[17:59] <therethinker> Did you set a video source?
[17:59] <therethinker> Like, the XML Channel thing?
[17:59] <MythbuntuGuest68> yes
[17:59] <therethinker> And that's all set up with the input card, right?
[17:59] <MythbuntuGuest68> yeah
[18:00] <MythbuntuGuest68> after i got the xml listing ig got more channels but no signal on channels after 13
[18:02] <MythbuntuGuest68> any ideas
[18:02] <therethinker> me, no
[18:02] <therethinker> tgm4883: ping
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> pong
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest68, when you scan for channels, did you use broadcast for your source
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> err
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> freq table
[18:03] <MythbuntuGuest68> eit?
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> i think thats what its called
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> $guide
[18:03] <mythbot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[18:04] <tgm4883_laptop> let me find a pic
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/mythtv-setup?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=be_setup_4.png
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> channel frequency table
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> does that look familiar
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> it is in the backend setup in step 1
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> also available during individual card setup
[18:06] <MythbuntuGuest68> yes i used us-broadcast
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> thats your problem
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to set it to cable
[18:07] <MythbuntuGuest68> cool
[18:07] <MythbuntuGuest68> will switch
[18:31] <MythbuntuGuest68> so i have another question
[18:32] <directhex> purple
[18:32] <directhex> and to your next question, "no, see a doctor immediately"
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest68> I want to but I am stuck here
[18:33] <MythbuntuGuest68> I want to set up a set-top box
[18:33] <MythbuntuGuest68> dct1700 if that means anythng here
[18:33] <MythbuntuGuest68> any guide or advice on doing so
[18:40] <MythbuntuGuest68> this is a comcast set-top
[18:41] <MythbuntuGuest68> any one get something similar working?
[18:41] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest68, firewire?
[18:41] <MythbuntuGuest68> ir
[18:41] <MythbuntuGuest68> blaster
[18:42] <MythbuntuGuest68> actually mce usb2
[18:43] <tgm4883_laptop> have you looked at the lirc guide for gutsy?
[18:43] <MythbuntuGuest68> nope
[18:43] <therethinker> $lirc
[18:43] <mythbot> LIRC is a program that allows you to use remote controls and IR blasters
[18:44] <MythbuntuGuest68> remote is working
[18:44] <MythbuntuGuest68> so lirc is loaded
[18:45] <tgm4883_laptop> but it needs to transmit
[18:46] <MythbuntuGuest68> yeah, exactly
[18:47] <tgm4883_laptop> $guide
[18:47] <mythbot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[18:47] <tgm4883_laptop> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[18:47] <tgm4883_laptop> there is a section on transmitting
[18:48] <therethinker> $additem:lircguide:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[18:48] <mythbot> Added help file for lircguide
[19:01] <tafkaz> hm....how can i make mythwelcome start instead of mythfrontend in mythbuntu 7.10
[19:02] <tafkaz> tried with a link in the autostart of xfce...but that makes my login hang
[19:02] <tafkaz> so i took it out again
[20:15] <therethinker> $test
[20:15] <mythbot> Sorry, mythbot is dead!
[20:20] <MythbuntuGuest30> hey couple questions: is it possible to make the frontend to just library and act like like a WMC from a samba file server? and also what is the cheapest working tuner?
[20:31] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest30, install mythvideo
[20:32] <MythbuntuGuest30> on a front end system or the unit that has it mythbuntu fully installed?>
[20:35] <Daviey> what sort of tuner?
[20:35] <Daviey> as directhex says.. use mythvideo and point the video directory to the mount point for samba
[20:36] <lwolf> hi
[20:36] <therethinker> $hello
[20:36] <mythbot> Welcome to #Ubuntu-mythtv.  Please state your question or comment.
[20:36] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest30, mythvideo is a frontend plugin
[20:37] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest30, as for tuners, depends on what you want to record from
[20:41] <therethinker> 461,000
[20:41] <therethinker> Oh, sorry
[20:42] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest30, HD or SD?
[20:44] <MythbuntuGuest30> sd
[20:44] <MythbuntuGuest30> i wont be affording HD anytime soon :D
[20:46] <tgm4883_laptop> PVR-150
[20:48] <MythbuntuGuest30> the hauppauge i saw on the website as most supported, Is the $53 one from newegg work or should i spend 10-20 more on a diff version of it?
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> if it's the PVR-150 it will work
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> afaik, all PVR-150's work OOB
[20:50] <MythbuntuGuest30> alright sounds good. thank you for the advice
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> a PVR-500 is good
[20:50] <tgm4883_laptop> if you want dual tuners
[20:51] <MythbuntuGuest30> ive used linux for a while but this mythtv stuff is kinda confusing at times. ah. i dont have a need for a dual tuner... yet >.>
[20:53] <MythbuntuGuest30> Take care and thank you again
[21:09] <solarbaby> I've got a strange new problem.. Upcoming recordings is not listing anything passed tomorrow..  even though the conflicts page shows 2 pages full of stuff to be recorded with no conflicts
[21:10] <solarbaby> heh so much for a perfect install
[21:13] <solarbaby> I have 12 days worth of guide data too
[21:13] <solarbaby> frag
[21:28] <solarbaby> Im starting to disslike MythTV
[21:29] <solarbaby> it can't tease me by being stable for a week, and then not list any upcoming recordings for the next week even though they are all progammed in
[21:31] <tgm4883_laptop> mythfilldatabase?
[21:31] <solarbaby> Im rerunning that now..
[21:31] <solarbaby> all the info is in the conflict manager with 0 conflicts
[21:31] <solarbaby> so its just being a real retard
[21:32] <tgm4883_laptop> you mean specially gifted
[21:36] <solarbaby> this sucks
[21:36] <solarbaby> that didn't help
[21:36] <solarbaby> I dont wanna install mythtv and program my scheules once per week.. thats insane
[21:36] <Daviey> cron job...
[21:36] <solarbaby> Hahah
[21:37] <Daviey> '?
[21:37] <solarbaby> whats your question Daviey?
[21:37] <Daviey> not a question.. but a solution
[21:37] <solarbaby> cronjob will not reinstall mythtv for me weekly
[21:37] <Daviey> it _could_
[21:37] <solarbaby> and then program istelf with all my favorit tv shows
[21:38] <solarbaby> your crazy
[21:38] <Daviey> but what is the problem?
[21:38] <Daviey> solarbaby: please don't call me crazy
[21:38] <solarbaby> Upcoming Recordings are blank
[21:38] <Daviey> Are they in the db?
[21:38] <rhpot1991> is there an easy way to get an old recording into mythtv without having any db info for it (besides mythvideo which wont let me edit it)?
[21:38] <solarbaby> Daviey: My appolagies..  using Cron to reinstall the system each week seems a little out there to me
[21:39] <Daviey> solarbaby: it is.. i mean a cron for mythfilldatabase
[21:39] <solarbaby> Oh
[21:39] <Daviey> rhpot1991: google orphaned recordings
[21:39] <rhpot1991> thanks
[21:39] <solarbaby> I just ran mythfill database with a redownloaded xml and its still the same nothingness
[21:39] <Daviey> Are they in the db?
[21:39] <rhpot1991> you might need to add the update flags to mythfilldb
[21:39] <solarbaby> the data is there though..  I get all the TV guide stuff
[21:40] <rhpot1991> otherwise it will just nab new stuff
[21:40] <solarbaby> Oh wait a minute..  I do not get my Schedules Guide..
[21:40] <solarbaby> I was mistaken
[21:40] <solarbaby> perhaps my scraper isnt' getting the right info now
[21:40] <Daviey> solarbaby: how are you running mythfilldb atm?
[21:41] <Daviey> scraper... eww
[21:41] <solarbaby> I scrape from zap2it
[21:41] <Daviey> why?
[21:41] <solarbaby> yeah..  I really need to get some money in my paypal account so I can get schedules direct
[21:41] <Daviey> $20 a year for stable, reliable info..
[21:41] <solarbaby> I have the cash.. its just my bank account is in another state
[21:42] <solarbaby> heh
[21:42] <rhpot1991> jump on SD
[21:42] <rhpot1991> are they offering a free trial still?
[21:42] <tgm4883_laptop> should be
[21:42] <Daviey> rhpot1991: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl btw
[21:43] <rhpot1991> thanks, I'm trying to find that perl script on my box now
[21:43] <solarbaby> I suppose I could use another one of my email address to get the free trial for another week
[21:44] <rhpot1991> found it
[21:44] <rhpot1991> can't you just use a credit card with paypal?  I think thats the way I did it.
[21:44] <Daviey> /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl.gz
[21:45] <Daviey> whoever first wrote a scrapping script should be shot
[21:46] <rhpot1991> ya alredy got it
[21:46] <tgm4883_laptop> Daviey, shot twice
[21:46] <Daviey> cool
[21:46] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop should be shot aswell
[21:47] <tgm4883_laptop> not so much :(
[21:47] <Daviey> true
[21:47]  * tgm4883_laptop does not scrape
[21:47]  * tgm4883_laptop has SD :)
[21:47] <solarbaby> I'll have SD Soon
[21:47] <Daviey> but he is a yank :)
[21:47] <rhpot1991> do you run your mythfilldatabase with any update flags?
[21:47] <rhpot1991> or just let it nab only new stuff?
[21:48] <rhpot1991> I have noticed random changes in programming not go through
[21:48] <rhpot1991> like when the baseball series didn't go 7 days
[21:48] <Daviey> uses scrape methods will break every month
[21:48] <rhpot1991> s/days/games/
[21:48] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, but did zap2it update?
[21:49] <rhpot1991> not sure
[21:49] <tgm4883_laptop> well that would be something to check first
[21:49] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:49] <rhpot1991> I just know there was an update flag that I had to use when I swapped from zap2it to SD
[21:50] <rhpot1991> was contemplating telling it to run with that
[21:50] <solarbaby> Recording Schedules has all the info, but Upcoming Recordings is blank, and I have good epg info
[21:51] <Daviey> and you can see it marked as schedlued in tv guide?
[21:51] <Daviey> or mythweb?
[21:51] <solarbaby> There's guide data until 2007-11-09 22:50 (13 days).
[21:52] <solarbaby> mythweb
[21:52] <Daviey> and you can see it marked as schedlued in tv guide?
[21:52] <Daviey> or mythweb?
[21:53] <solarbaby> I see it in mythweb as scheduled, but not in upcoming recordings
[21:53] <Daviey> hmm..
[21:54] <Daviey> i can't think of anythig obvious.. perhaps corrupt db?
[21:54] <solarbaby> yeah
[21:54] <solarbaby> I'll see if I can fix the database
[21:54] <solarbaby> bad database is my worst fear
[21:54] <Daviey> groovy
[21:55] <rhpot1991> did you run the db repair utility?
[21:55] <solarbaby> not yet
[21:56] <rhpot1991>  /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl
[21:56] <solarbaby> Thanks
[21:57] <rhpot1991> I've had to run it before when my DB got junked up
[21:57] <rhpot1991> so I have it running in my crontab now
[21:59] <Daviey> rhpot1991: myth' control centre has an option to run it \o/
[22:00] <solarbaby> optimize_mythdb.pl didn't fix it
[22:00] <rhpot1991> hmmm I wonder if I enabled it in there
[22:00] <rhpot1991> I originally set all this up by hand, so I am so used to not having the MCC
[22:00] <solarbaby> is this going to nuke my databse ? myth.rebuilddatabase.pl.gz
[22:00] <rhpot1991> hmmm I do have it enabled in there, should I pull that out of my crontab then?
[22:02] <solarbaby> ah rebuildatabse just errors out
[22:03] <rhpot1991> I'm not really familiar with it, I just reran it on an orphaned file, first time I ever used it
[22:24] <solarbaby> I'd pretty much say the database has gone wanky
[22:24] <solarbaby> parts of it work great.. but anything to do with scheduling anything isn't working
[22:25] <solarbaby> jeeze only 1 week of uptime too
[22:25] <solarbaby> these problems are supposed to happen when you have 500 gigs worth of tv programming on your hard drive
[22:36] <dwf_starband2> I have set up a frontend and everything is working except the remote
[22:40] <solarbaby> I guess the only other thing I can try is to drop the database and hope that I can make a new one
[22:50] <dwf_starband> I am trying to set up the remote for my frontend, its the mce 1069 pictured at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes
[22:51] <dwf_starband> in the mythbuntu control centre I have the windows media center remotes old version selected
[22:52] <dwf_starband> it doesnt work
[22:52] <dwf_starband> if i enter irw in the terminal
[22:52] <dwf_starband> it will "hang" waiting for the remote untill i push ctr + c but doesnt show anything when i press buttons on the remote
[22:53] <dwf_starband> the led on the receiver lights up when i push buttons on the remote though
[22:53] <dwf_starband> anyone know what I need to change?
[23:09] <dwf_starband> anyone around?
[23:12] <Nixus_Maximus> maybe u should try "mce new version"
[23:14] <solarbaby> Ok dropping the database and building a brand new one was easier then I thought
[23:14] <solarbaby> too bad I lost all my database info
[23:17] <dwf_starband> mce new version has teh same results
[23:19] <dwf_starband> would I need to restart the computer after changing to the new version?
[23:19] <Daviey> dwf_starband: in that case.. might be easier to record your own lircrc.. but do submit it to us!
[23:20] <dwf_starband> how would I go about doing that?  Is there a write up on how?
[23:20] <Daviey> dwf_starband: Wouldn't hurt.. but you should be able to just restart myth
[23:20] <Daviey> sure.. i'll find it
[23:20] <dwf_starband> ok thanks, meanwhile im restarting it to see if that makes a difference
[23:21] <Daviey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy#head-025c74d0d3764358ee4e877f536ede253efeaee3
[23:21] <Daviey> "Unlisted Remotes"
[23:21] <dwf_starband> ok ill read that
[23:24] <Daviey> dwf_starband: I'm looking to make a "remotre recorder" for Hardy (8.04)
[23:24] <tgm4883_laptop> spec
[23:25] <dwf_starband> a gui interface for recording remotes?
[23:25] <dwf_starband> that would be sweet
[23:25] <tgm4883_laptop> $spec
[23:25] <Daviey> haha
[23:25] <Daviey> mythbot: you rock
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop> therethinker?
[23:27] <dwf_starband> This remote requires the mceusb _not_ the mceusb2 LIRC module.
[23:27] <dwf_starband> Use the default mceusb2 lircd.conf file and all of the remote's keys work without modifying the example mceusb2 lircd.conf file.
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop> stupid mythbot
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop> $guide
[23:27] <mythbot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[23:27] <tgm4883_laptop> $mythbot
[23:27] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[23:28] <dwf_starband> quote from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Windows_Vista_MCE_Remote
[23:28] <therethinker> hello?
[23:28] <therethinker> What about me, tgm4883?
[23:28] <tgm4883_laptop> $spec
[23:28] <Daviey> dwf_starband: can you raise a bug?
[23:28] <tgm4883_laptop> does mythbot not reply if it doens't know something anymore?
[23:28] <dwf_starband> if you tell me how
[23:28] <therethinker> Why?
[23:28] <therethinker> $jasdkfasdf
[23:29] <therethinker> $ubuntu
[23:29] <solarbaby> I seriously hate MythTV right now
[23:29] <dwf_starband> should I try and see if I can get the mceusb2 lirc.conf to work with the mceusb module first?
[23:29] <Daviey> dwf_starband: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+filebug
[23:29] <therethinker>  /kick solarbaby
[23:29] <solarbaby> I loved it this morning too
[23:29] <Daviey> dwf_starband: sure
[23:29] <dwf_starband> ok
[23:29] <solarbaby> kick yourself.. Im a little agitated
[23:29] <therethinker> $women
[23:30] <tgm4883_laptop> can you do that?
[23:30] <therethinker> Hm... ubotu must be broken or something...
[23:30] <Daviey> solarbaby: this is generally a peacefull place - lets keep it that way eh?
[23:30] <therethinker> What just happened?
[23:30] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop is playing with his toy
[23:30] <solarbaby> Daviey im generally prety easy going myself, until everythign caves in on itself for no good reasons
[23:30] <therethinker> but yeah -- ubotu is down, I guess
[23:30] <therethinker> !women
[23:30] <solarbaby> Daviey maybe its this version
[23:30] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[23:31] <Daviey> therethinker: ubotu isn't alive here atm
[23:31] <therethinker> Exactly -- he's not even on the server
[23:31] <Daviey> yeah.. -ops know
[23:31] <therethinker> That just explains the mythbot not replying
[23:31] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[23:31] <Daviey> there are two backup ubotu's if we really need one :)
[23:32] <therethinker> really?
[23:32] <therethinker> its not a huge deal, its just why mythbot doesn't know anything, on say:
[23:32] <therethinker> $rdf
[23:33] <Daviey> therethinker: can you add two other alias's for ubotu?
[23:34] <therethinker> Which one has the greatest uptime?
[23:34] <Daviey> ubot3 & Ubotwo:
[23:34] <Daviey> those are reserves if ubotu dies
[23:34] <therethinker> Since it would be incredibly hard to see if ubotu is dead
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop> but it should ask all 3
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop> err
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop> should not
[23:34] <Daviey> well.. ask each one in turn - if no response
[23:35] <therethinker> Then it will get 3 responses, and then it would post here 3 times
[23:35] <therethinker> Yeah -- but it doesn't have a knowledge of responses
[23:35] <Daviey> then output.. "Erk.. ubotu is more unreliable than me"
[23:35] <therethinker> As in, it doesn't realize its chaining
[23:35] <Daviey> therethinker: no response = null :)
[23:35] <therethinker> Yeah the bot can't detect responses
[23:35] <Daviey> ah
[23:35] <therethinker> What it does, is look for private messages sent by ubotu
[23:36] <tgm4883_laptop> eh, i think it's not biggie
[23:36] <therethinker> it then deduces someone must have asked for that keyword, and wiki's it,and posts about it here
[23:36] <therethinker> Hence why I can't have mythbot in -dev, or if it didn't know, it'd output here
[23:37] <Daviey> ah.. that happend when we were testing
[23:38] <therethinker> You saw the new additem/changeitem, right?
[23:40]  * therethinker is proud of adding/changing functoinality
[23:43] <solarbaby> Ok so I dropped the database and re created a new one..  Arrggh..  Now I know for sure the database had nothing to do with programs not showing up in Upcoming Recordings
[23:43] <solarbaby> well at least I think I know for sure..  because it still wont show up
[23:44] <tgm4883_laptop> thats too bad
[23:45] <solarbaby> yeah I really dont know what to do next other then format and reinstall..  thats no fix though
[23:45] <tgm4883_laptop> where do you live?
[23:45] <solarbaby> right next to Las Vegas,Nevada
[23:45] <tgm4883_laptop> you use SD?
[23:45] <solarbaby> not yet
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> what are you using to grab listings?
[23:46] <solarbaby> zap2it
[23:46] <solarbaby> its just a scraper until I get SD up and working
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[23:46] <tgm4883_laptop> well i can't help you then
[23:46] <solarbaby> but it was working fine for a week..
[23:46] <Daviey> yeah.. that is typical of scrapers
[23:46] <Daviey> not mythtv's fault!
[23:47] <solarbaby> we dont know if its the scapers fault or mythtv bug yet
[23:47] <solarbaby> keep an open mind until we've come up with a deffinate answer now
[23:47] <Daviey> if zap2it change a small thing on a page.. maybe add an advert - that's it.. your listings are knackered
[23:47] <tgm4883_laptop> solarbaby, put SD in there then
[23:47] <Daviey> solarbaby: I'm pretty sure this aint mythtv's fault...
[23:48] <solarbaby> I hope its not..  I need this to be running smooth ;)
[23:48] <tgm4883_laptop> I think we'd see more of these if it was
[23:48] <solarbaby> thats a good pint
[23:48] <solarbaby> point
[23:48] <solarbaby> course my install is a little older then most of yours.. I installed mine the day before the new version came out ;)
[23:48] <tgm4883_laptop> my install is from when we still used openbox
[23:48] <tgm4883_laptop> ftw
[23:49] <solarbaby> heh
[23:50] <Daviey> solarbaby: yeah.. my database is nearly 3 years old now
[23:50] <tgm4883_laptop> yea i would bet most the devs have old dbs


[00:12] <poolie> wow, bzr-colo is really nince
[00:13] <poolie> *nice
[08:11] <cheater99> hi guys
[09:12] <poolie> hi
[11:38] <sinasalek1> I have strange question! how to lock file in bazaar?! i couldn't find anything on the internet so i think i'm using the wrong keywords
[11:40] <sinasalek1> Anyone?
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lock?
[11:45] <sinasalek1> yup
[11:45] <sinasalek1> Kamping_Kaiser: why i'm unable to find any documentation regarding to this?
[11:48] <vila> sinasalek1: because locking a file requires a central authority to record that one user has locked so everybody else can ask whether they can lock or not
[11:49] <vila> sinasalek1: when working in a distributed env, there is no central authority, so can't implement locking
[11:49] <sinasalek1> vila: So you meant the question is wrong? even if i used cnetralized workflow?
[11:49] <vila> sinasalek1: not wrong, there are some cases when you still want to do that, but yes, this requires a centralized workflow
[11:49] <ddaa> vila: really?
[11:50] <ddaa> I mean, cases when you still want to do that?
[11:50] <sinasalek1> vila: so it's supported ?
[11:50] <vila> sinasalek1: bzr itself doesn't implement it, but there have been a few attempts to handle it via plugins
[11:50] <vila> sinasalek1: I don't remember the references though :-/
[11:50] <sinasalek1> vila: Thanks that helped :)
[11:51] <vila> ddaa: files in binary format like word or the like
[11:51]  * ddaa bends his mind into trying to see things this way
[11:51] <vila> sinasalek1: but unless you're dealing with files that *can't* be merged properly, it's generally a better idea to avoid locking
[11:51]  * vila just loves when they do that :-/
[11:52] <vila> ddaa: yeah, doesn't really fit the distributed model isn't it ?
[11:52] <ddaa> not just the distributed model
[11:52] <vila> ddaa: but some people cared enough about it to start implementing it
[11:53] <ddaa> after all those years immersed into a DVCS mindset, it's hard not to see it as a principle that locking is neither needed nor desirable.
[11:53] <vila> ddaa: it boils down to how you handle concurrent edits or if you prefer to just avoid them
[11:54] <ddaa> I kindaaaa see it now
[11:54] <ddaa> it's a bit like checkouts, only more so.
[11:55] <ddaa> stop me before I open the file for editing, not when I commit.
[11:55] <ddaa> I don't see how to make that fit into the bzr model though.
[11:57] <ddaa> first, it would require a new *branch* format
[11:57] <ddaa> since it would be non-versioned branch-local data.
[11:58] <ddaa> then a new tree format, to translate the lock into fs permissions
[12:00] <ddaa> "bzr lock FILE" would acquire a write lock on the branch, and open, say ".bzr/branch/file-locks"
[12:00] <ddaa> okay, I see it now
[12:01] <ddaa> file-lock is a mapping of file ids to uuids.
[12:01] <ddaa> bzr lock FILE adds line to file-lock, and record the uuid in the working tree
[12:02] <ddaa> bzr unlock FILE checks if the working tree uuid matches that of the branch, and remove the lock
[12:02] <maxb> don't forget to record the whoami in a lock record too
[12:02] <ddaa> maxb: same recipe as branch lock
[12:02] <ddaa> need to identify the user, and be unique too
[12:02] <ddaa> now, there must be guards in anything that can write to the branch tip
[12:03] <ddaa> like commit, push, pull, etc.
[12:04] <ddaa> that the user has a file lock on any file requiring locks that is modified by the delta
[12:04] <ddaa> that means we also need an inventory data identifying "files requiring locks"
[12:04] <ddaa> fuck
[12:04] <ddaa> sorry
[12:05] <ddaa> that's a really complicated feature to implement
[12:05] <ddaa> it just got past my "I don't really want to think about it" threshold
[12:07] <ddaa> and we don't have versioned file properties yet
[12:07] <ddaa> so it would require another bit of working-tree metadata to identify file ids requiring locks
[12:10] <ddaa> now, another riddle
[12:10] <ddaa> after using "bzr branch", we can't do the locking anymore
[12:11] <ddaa> at least, not properly
[12:11] <ddaa> the user will still need to lock to edit the file, but it won't acquire the right lock
[12:12] <ddaa> so, the working tree needs to record the URL of the branch that has the real lock
[12:12] <ddaa> now, what happens when pulling a delta that changes that information?
[12:13] <ddaa> gaaah!
[12:13] <ddaa> vila: did anybody answer that one, yet?
[12:15] <ddaa> now, there's another desirable feature
[12:16] <ddaa> that's for a *branch* to take a file lock from another branch
[12:16] <ddaa> so you can say "this file can only be modified on this feature branch, not on trunk"
[12:17] <vila> ddaa: I don't remember the details, but AFAIR, they went with a pretty simple thing that appeared to "work for them"
[12:17] <ddaa> I can imagine that.
[12:18] <ddaa> There can be a world of difference between "simple enough that worksforme" and "robust enough for general use"
[12:18] <ddaa> "simple enough that worksforme" can just be a pumpkin
[12:19] <vila> and as far as bzr is concerned, it will be more profitable to support hooks for diffing and merging more of this binary formats
[12:19] <ddaa> different use cases really
[12:19] <vila> we already have the hooks for merge
[12:19]  * vila off for lunch
[12:25] <ddaa> actually, the "lock location" info should be unversioned branch data too
[12:26] <ddaa> and the "assign lock to another branch" is the same mechanism that should be used when locking to a heavy checkout.
[18:40] <JoshBrown> How do I merge a change from downstream, back upstream? There seems to have been some confusion and someone has made an upstream change in the downstream version, i.e: code → deb → code-bugfix (→ code). I want to merge code-bugfix back into code without adding all the debianization, what is the best way to do this?
[18:46] <maxb> cherrypick merge?
[19:06] <JoshBrown> maxb: Thanks, I'll try it.
[19:41] <JoshBrown> maxb: Seem to be having some trouble. When I try cherry-pick merging I get "All changes applied successfully." (I'm running `bzr merge --rev 36..33 ../code-bugfix/ `).
[19:42] <mgz> 33..36 surely.
[19:43] <mgz> you want his changes included, not to back them out after they've already been committed
[19:50] <git__> hey, does "bzr export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>work?
[19:52] <JoshBrown> mgz: Ooops, I actually ran 33..36, then tried 36..33 (just in case I misunderstood the manual). So neither 33..36 nor 36..33 works.
[19:55] <mgz> do `bzr revert` then try again with --preview added?
[19:57] <git__> i accidently delete everything in my working tree ... .bzr directory is still there, how do I get my working tree back?
[19:58] <mgz> also `bzr revert` provided you didn't commit your deletion.
[19:58] <git__> thanks mgz !!!
[19:58] <git__> what's the equivalent of "git co [hash value]" in bzr?
[19:59] <jam1> mgz: hi, I think I've updated my patch as requested, can you look at it again? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jameinel/bzr/2.3-filter-tests/+merge/33938
[19:59] <git__> i want to go to revision 6, the current revision is 12
[19:59] <mgz> `bzr update -r 6`
[19:59] <mgz> sure jam, I'll take a look.
[20:01] <mgz> ...when launchpad updates the diff, because I'm lazy
[20:10] <mgz> all looks reasonable, I'll run the tests locally as well.
[20:11] <mgz> I think the _report_* method additions won't be needed when the existing issue with how the bzr/testtools boundary works for exceptions, but it's easy to just remove them again when that's sorted
[20:14] <mgz> +is fixed
[20:16] <mgz> bt.test_selftest.TestSubunitLogDetails.test_success_has_no_log fails here, it does contain the log.
[20:20] <mgz> you appear to have just not changed addSuccess
[20:31] <jam> mgz: I just didn't commit before my last push :)
[20:31] <mgz> :D
[20:33] <jam> mgz: just push rev 5393
[20:33] <jam> I just pushed 5393
[20:33] <mgz> pulling.
[20:33] <jam> which should have a few more subunit permutations
[20:35] <mgz> okay, that's more like it.
[20:36] <mgz> ha, I see you gave in and made a generic testing class for test_selftest
[20:36] <jam> mgz: yeah, you need something to do the permutations, and i was using it 2x
[20:37] <jam> the --subunit stack is *quite* different from our regular stack
[20:37] <jam> subunit doesn't inherit from testtools, for example
[20:38] <mgz> yep, it's a bit of a pain
[20:45] <JoshBrown> mgz: I used --preview - it just returns a diff of the to-be merged changes.
[20:45] <mgz> JoshBrown: that was the point, are they the right changes?
[20:46] <JoshBrown> mgz: No, I only want the code changes
[20:46] <mgz> if so, just do the same thing without --preview, then `bzr commit -m "Cherry pick ... changes from ..."`
[20:46] <JoshBrown> The diff shows code and deb changes
[20:47] <mgz> so the deb changes were part of the same commit as the fix you want?
[20:47] <mgz> then you can just revert them before running commit
[20:48] <mgz> `bzr revert ./debian`
[20:48] <mgz> (or whatever)
[21:01] <mgz> jam: have put a comment in the mp, don't know if you want to tackle the annoying merge now
[21:02] <jam> mgz: you mean submitting it? or what do you mean by 'annoying merge'?
[21:03] <mgz> yup, that. there have just been a few selftest changes lately, so there's always a conflict
[21:04] <jam> thanks for the heads up
[21:04] <jam> *glee* 2 conflicts
[21:05] <jam> mgz: and yeah, I had tried to do some of it using TextTestResult or whatever, and it was a bit... joyless
[21:06] <mgz> we don't really want to be using that in bt.test_selftest at all I think, leave it for bb.
[21:06] <mgz> could just use some cleanup.
[21:08] <jam> mgz: I find the current state still rather messy. Even without our extensions.
[21:08] <jam> What goes on Result what goes on Case, what goes on Runner
[21:08] <jam> and then the inconsistencies
[21:08] <mgz> yup.
[21:09] <jam> testresult.expectedFailures is a list with different items than testresult.unexpectedSuccesses
[21:09] <jam> (one has tuples of (test_id, reason) the other a list of [tests])
[22:05] <swebo> hi
[22:05] <swebo> i want to find out how many lines each developer on a project has written.
[22:06] <swebo> i'm doing a homework assignment at university with bzr and it's important that both developers have written an equal amount of lines ...
[22:06] <swebo> is that possible with bzr?
[22:08] <fullermd> What a bizarre requirement...   do you mean lines written total over history, or just lines in the current version?
[22:09] <fullermd> If it's just the latter, you could figure it from annotate pretty easy.
[22:11] <swebo> i think it's over the total history
[22:12] <fullermd> So, all you need is one partner who writes really bad code, and has to keep rewriting it?   ;)
[22:12] <fullermd> Anyway, it's certainly _conceptually_ possible.  I don't know if anybody's written a plugin to do it though.
[22:13] <swebo> well... i don't think it's a fair requirement, either ...
[22:14] <swebo> i think 60:40 might be ok as well, but he doesn't want one of both to do nothing..
[22:14] <swebo> and annotate shows only the lines in the current version?
[22:15] <fullermd> Heck, if it's over history, you just need one guy to be SO bad the other guy has to write all his stuff, and *bam*, 50/50, even though he doesn't have a single line in the final version   :>
[22:15] <fullermd> Well, annotate shows the lines in any version you ask it.  But it would take a lot of postprocessing work to figure a cumulative-lines-in-history from that.  And many times more work than doing it below that.
[22:16] <swebo> ah, ok.. now i got what you were saying ;-)
[22:16] <fullermd> If you were doing that, it would probably be easier to go from diffs of each revision than annotating each file/revision.
[22:17] <fullermd> Well, a little anyway.  Certainly a lot less redundant bzr churning at least.
[22:17] <fullermd> Hm.  If you wrote a rich-root-weave format for bzr, you could process it right out of the text storage pretty easily.    Writing a perfect solution would be WAY more fun than wasting time on classwork   :p
[22:23] <mgz> :)
[22:31] <swebo> well as i'm not studying computer science, it doesn't have to be perfect at all ;)
[22:51] <git__> what's the diff between bzr upload and bzr export ?
[22:52] <soren> git__: Couple of things..
[22:52] <soren> git__: export doesn't let you push to a remote location.
[22:53] <soren> git__: ..and doesn't let you export to a location to which you've already exported (it complains about a not being able to export to a non-empty directory.
[22:53] <soren> git__: upload does supports both of those things.
[22:54] <soren> git__: So export is what you use for a one-off sort of export, while upload is good for e.g. doing development locally and every once in a while pushing to a remote location, like a webserver.
[22:55] <git__> thanks soren, you are very thorough with your answer, really appreciated !!!
[22:55] <soren> git__: Sure.


[22:14] <andrewswilmer> i m using backbox
[22:15] <andrewswilmer> i want to install gnome desktop on backbox
[22:15] <andrewswilmer> its not working
[22:15] <andrewswilmer> anybody help?


[09:45] <head_victim> Good evening ScottHarrison
[09:46] <head_victim> Just saw your second email on the forum
[10:27] <jea> head_victim: ping
[10:28] <head_victim> jea: pong
[10:28] <jea> Have you done anything towards the member requests? I am happy to email, etc, but don't want to double up
[10:28] <head_victim> I emailed the first two a few days ago
[10:29] <head_victim> (I cc'd -owner I thought)
[10:29] <jea> Ok. Maybe it went into a spam folder or something. I will have a look
[10:29] <head_victim> The one that just came in now is from ScottHarrison, which I'm happy to approve with knowledge from the forums.
[10:29] <jea> Yes, and his IP address
[10:29] <ScottHarrison> Hi all
[10:29] <jea> Hi ScottHarrison
[10:30] <head_victim> Evening Scott
[10:30] <head_victim> jea: I emailed the other 2 on the 22nd
[10:31] <ScottHarrison> I'm just reading the man for gpg, I just tried to register a key on launchpad to sign the ubuntu code of conduct but I'm still awaiting the email
[10:31] <jea> head_victim: I see them now. They are in a folder I hadn't looked at for a few days
[10:31] <head_victim> jea: no worries, thought the date might help
[10:31] <jea> I don't recall an email for signing the code of conduct
[10:31] <head_victim> ScottHarrison: to be honest, the signing of the CoC was the hardest thing I'd done up until that point as far as Ubuntu went. But then again, I'm about as non tech as you can get.
[10:32] <ScottHarrison> well it took me ages to find a reference on how to do it
[10:33] <ScottHarrison> everything is hard when there's very little means of finding an answer
[10:33] <head_victim> Out of interest, what page did you get the information on the CoC from, a generic page, an AU page, or?
[10:35] <head_victim> ScottHarrison: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto#Signing_Data might help
[10:35] <ScottHarrison> On my launchpad profile page, it says "Signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct: No," it has a link to https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[10:39] <sagaci> sometimes the keyserver takes a moment to update with your new key
[10:40] <jea> I do remember reading that somewhere
[10:43] <ScottHarrison> I know what I did wrong now... I used the wrong fingerprint, lol
[10:43] <ScottHarrison> I used the fingerprint for deb.torproject.com lol
[10:44] <head_victim> Hah, let me guess, following a "howto" from the torproject? :)
[10:46] <ScottHarrison> nah, following a howto from that page I linked to before - the howto assumes you haven't saved any other public keys to your /home/name/.gnupg/pubring.gpg file
[10:53] <ScottHarrison> what does it mean by "comment?"
[10:56] <head_victim> In what context sorry?
[11:14] <ScottHarrison> nvm I came up with one
[11:14] <ScottHarrison> it asks for comment when creating a key
[11:16] <head_victim> Ah, I suck with keys and stuff. I get the concept but never spent the time to work out the hows and whys. My brain needs hows and whys to assimilate properly
[11:42] <ScottHarrison> phew
[11:42] <ScottHarrison> all done, code of conduct is signed
[11:43] <ScottHarrison> I know the absolute basics of encryption but never directly worked with it before
[11:43] <jea> ScottHarrison: congrats
[11:43] <head_victim> I'm told by reliable sources they're looking at simplifying the process.
[11:44] <ScottHarrison> I quite enjoyed the process but I'm a hopeless nerd that enjoys wading through complicated processes
[11:52] <head_victim> Another package translated :) Down to 4 on the stats page when it updates
[11:52] <head_victim> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/quantal/en_AU
[11:57] <jea> head_victim: I have been avoiding gcc
[11:57] <head_victim> I think we all have :/
[11:59] <jea> there is no real point in translating it
[11:59] <jea> and every new version has to be started from scratch for some reason
[12:00] <head_victim> I'm concentrating on those on the stats page first.
[12:00] <head_victim> Nearly there
[12:01] <ScottHarrison> what sort of translations?
[12:02] <jea> Translating Ubuntu into English (Australian)
[12:03] <ScottHarrison> that was another question I had, how does English (Australian) differ from English (UK)?
[12:03] <head_victim> Adding in the extra U's and swapping the Z's for S's. American's like their color and ize's
[12:03] <head_victim> In all honesty, not much
[12:04] <jea> favorite colors
[12:04] <ScottHarrison> I mean, does it at all?
[12:04] <jea> I like to read all of my programs in Australian english
[12:05] <jea> that is one thing that sets it apart from Windows
[12:05] <ScottHarrison> like, if somebody from Ubuntu UK translated GCC from English-US to English-UK, would it not be reinventing the wheel by somebody in Australia doing it again?
[12:06] <jea> yes, that is mostly the same
[12:06] <jea> we could probably import their translations
[12:06] <jea> but we were ahead of that team for translations
[12:06] <jea> head_victim: http://joeladdison.com/ubuntu/translation/quantal/en_AU
[12:07] <ScottHarrison> ok, not trying to be smart, just genuinely interested in the process.
[12:08] <jea> yeah, that is fine. I do think it would be nice to reduce some duplication with the translations
[12:11] <ScottHarrison> well, it sounds like a task I'd be competent in, is there anything I need to know about before I contribute?
[12:12] <ScottHarrison> accidentally closed xchat
[12:14] <jea> ScottHarrison: not really too much to know. We have a few guidelines, which I would have to look up again
[12:14] <ScottHarrison> found the wiki page, reading it now
[12:17] <jea> ok
[12:17] <jea> main thing is to use en_AU spelling (no z, add u, etc)
[12:18] <jea> Trash = Rubbish Bin
[12:18] <jea> sagaci: ^ that is correct, isn't it?
[12:19] <sagaci> yeah
[12:20] <jea> was there anything else?
[12:29] <ScottHarrison> I'm off to bed. Thanks for the reception and help tonight. I look forward to working with you all. :)
[12:29] <head_victim> ScottHarrison: no worries, good night
[12:29] <head_victim> Sorry I've been chairing a meeting
[12:30] <ScottHarrison> no probs, night all.
[12:30] <jea> head_victim: is it membership meeting?
[12:30] <head_victim> Yep, a Brazilian just made member :)
[12:31] <jea> that is good
[12:31] <head_victim> Yeah, they appear to hold a fair few events over there
[12:31] <jea> something we need to fix up
[12:31] <head_victim> And he is a prolific team blogger
[12:31] <head_victim> I've been failing at the social media stuff
[12:33] <jea> I am not a fan of blogging, so would not be great at it
[12:49] <jea> head_victim: i think only one package left
[12:50] <head_victim> Which one?
[12:52] <head_victim> Gnome disk utility :)
[12:52] <head_victim> And on that note, I think I'm heading to bed
[12:52] <jea> yeah, the longest one on the list
[12:52] <jea> ok. see you later head_victim
[12:53] <head_victim> Night jea & sagaci & anyone else lurking
[12:53] <jea> gah. this string is "authori_zation"
[12:53] <jea> can i change it to "_s", or will that break things
[12:54] <head_victim> Depends, you'll need to search the package to see if there's already an _s in there I think
[12:55] <jea> ok. i will leave it for now
[12:55] <jea> I don't have a ubuntu computer here at the moment to search
[13:15] <jea> Ok. All apart from two strings ("authori_zation") are complete in the list


[15:41] <UnivrslSuprBox> Recently an imagemagick update was released to focal and jammy with a higher version number than the source package in the Ubuntu Pro archive. The changelog in public Ubuntu does not mention USN-5736-2 or any of its contained CVEs. Did the community package cause imagemagick to regress for Pro users?
[16:07] <mdeslaur> pfsmorigo: ^
[16:30] <pfsmorigo> mdeslaur, UnivrslSuprBox: I'm releasing a new esm package this week
[16:35] <pfsmorigo> there were some additional fixes that I was testing last week. I'll release a new public and do the esm over it
[16:45] <UnivrslSuprBox> There are new fixes going into both the public archive and Pro at the same time?
[18:51] <teward> UnivrslSuprBox: i believe that is what pfsmorigo is implying yes
[19:07] <pfsmorigo> teward, UnivrslSuprBox: the esm package was superseded by this new release so I rebased the esm package over this new release. there are some CVEs only in the esm package.
[19:07] <teward> pfsmorigo: so, CVEs only in the ESM package, but you're going to try and clean up the versionings anyways.  ack
[19:08] <pfsmorigo> teward, yes
[21:01] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thanks for the info!
[23:57] <hallyn> so ...  what's the deal with "19 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.
[23:57] <hallyn> "
[23:57] <hallyn> is there a list of what updates are ESM-only?