[03:50] <git__> which does me good when doing big project
[03:50] <keppi> mezquitale:  no
[03:50] <knoppies> ENOUPH ABOUT TEXT EDITORS
[03:50] <lstarnes> mezquitale: yes, with a subset of its scripts
[03:51] <keppi> lol
[03:51] <lstarnes> mezquitale: the vim-full package fixes that though
[03:51] <tulkastaldo> syrius, yes
[03:51] <aaabbb> cw=Z]QTNKPSC@QTOOPRO@PRNj
[03:51] <mezquitale> lstarnes, i use ubuntustudio and dont have vim installed by default, vi is
[03:51] <aaabbb> cw=Z]J,QTOOQTOOPROOQTO<PRHR
[03:51] <git__> anyone here does regular expression?
[03:51] <aaabbb> cw=Z]NUQTNcPROOQTAY
[03:51] <lhx_> knoppies: AGREED! Mr. shouty
[03:51] <lstarnes> knoppies: it is related to ubuntu
[03:51] <syrius> this is the icon I used "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/softwarecenter.png" tulkastaldo
[03:51] <syrius> well I guess that doesn't matter since it looks like the right one
[03:51] <linuxguy2009> oddhyena: Not sure. If it dont take it, it dont take it.
[03:52] <knoppies> lstarnes, we were going on about opinions, not support.
[03:52] <mezquitale> git__, what is the real question, go ahead and ask, if anyone knows the answer they will surely reply
[03:52] <tulkastaldo> syrius, I'm using the brethe icon set so I'm not sure if it modified it :P
[03:52] <aaabbb> cw=Z]PR;7
[03:52] <linux_guy> linuxguy2009, did you rob my name?
[03:52] <lstarnes> aaabbb: stop that, please
[03:52] <linuxguy2009> linux_guy: Totally
[03:52] <syrius> okay
[03:52] <linux_guy> i would like to run the file system check that runs at startup manually.  anyone know the command?
[03:52] <lstarnes> !fsck | linux_guy
[03:52] <linuxguy2009> linux_guy: fsck
[03:53] <ardchoille> linux_guy: fsck, but you have to have the partition unmounted
[03:53] <kshah> I've set a postconf option to set home_mailbox to Maildir, but my mail is still heading to /var/mail/user which I don't think is compatible with Procmail's setup
[03:53] <Sonja> is there  a battery bar thingy for ubuntu that displays the number of hours:minutes left?
[03:53] <Sonja> instead of having to hover over
[03:53] <linux_guy> WOW
[03:53]  * lhx_ sigs... another 50 minutes till alternate cd is downloaded.   Evince does text search while viewing, but the man page doesn't say anything about doing it from the command line.
[03:54] <Fitz11> hi i need some help
[03:54] <linuxguy2009> Fitz11: ask
[03:54] <kcj1993> Fitz11, like what?
[03:54] <mezquitale> ericdb, try find . -name *.pdf
[03:54] <Fitz11> are u good with computers
[03:55] <progre55> lol
[03:55] <lstarnes> Fitz11: it depends on what you need help with
[03:55] <linuxguy2009> Fitz11: Do you have a question we can help with?
[03:55] <kcj1993> yea
[03:55] <HardDisk> im good to all my computers.
[03:55] <ardchoille> mezquitale: I think he meant to search within the file, not the filename itself
[03:55] <progre55> he needs help with computers :)
[03:55] <Fitz11> well i need help with downloading
[03:55] <ericdb> mezquitale: I'm wanting to search for text inside the documents, not find the documents.
[03:55] <kappaccino> >_>
[03:55] <HardDisk> downloading what?
[03:55] <oddhyena> I love my microSD usb adapter :)
[03:55] <ericdb> mezquitale: Like grep, but for .pdf and .djvu.
[03:55] <Oilut> Hello, where can i download windows native dlls?
[03:55] <knoppies> oddhyena, that makes two of us.
[03:55] <mezquitale> ardchoille, ericdb ok never tried that
[03:56] <kshah> I somehow botched my postfix configuration, I set home_mailbox to Maildir/ but I still see mail going to /var/mail/user .. ideas?
[03:56] <git__> oddhyena, i'm getting a 1.5TB hd soon
[03:56] <HardDisk> Dilut. dlls.com
[03:56] <oddhyena> knoppies, I can boot my PC with it
[03:56] <Oilut> thanks
[03:56] <HyperHacker> anyone know what package to install to get a MIPS R4300 assembler? as and yasm don't list it as supported
[03:56] <Oilut> will try
[03:56] <knoppies> oddhyena, havnt tried. Im afraid Im going to overheat it.
[03:56] <Fitz11> anything really.I have the mini 10v and it wont let me download anything because it is not a folder
[03:56] <Sonja> i find it hard to change the order and position of icons on the panel
[03:56] <oddhyena> git__, I already have a 1.5TB external hard drive, which it's hard to fill up
[03:56] <git__> i plan to get a 16GB flash drive
[03:56] <HardDisk> Oilut, www.dll-files.com
[03:56] <knoppies> Sonja, do you rightclick move?
[03:57] <git__> oddhyena, i can fill it up in a few months
[03:57] <Fitz11> and i dont know how to make it a folder or anything
[03:57] <HardDisk> I bought that kingston ssd, its nice
[03:57] <git__> HardDisk, how much?
[03:57] <linuxguy2009> Sonja: unlock them, then move em
[03:57] <ardchoille> HyperHacker: apt-cache search mips
[03:57] <Oilut> HardDisk is there a pack for download? I am new on ubuntu, I need a step by step how to hehe
[03:57] <Sonja> thanks that helps!!
[03:57] <Administrators> I feel like tearin sum pussy up
[03:57] <HyperHacker> ardchoille, yeah, I don't see anything in there
[03:57] <HardDisk> Oilus, why do you need dlls for ubuntu? you mean for wine? get PlayonLinux
[03:57] <ardchoille> HyperHacker: neither do I :(
[03:57] <HyperHacker> emulators, but no assemblers
[03:58] <Administrators> I want some PUsSY
[03:58] <HardDisk> git converted to US$ about 200
[03:58] <lstarnes> Administrators: this channel is for ubuntu support only
[03:58] <Fitz11> any one want to help me
[03:58] <HardDisk> Administrators try #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:58] <Izinucs> HardDisk: they won't even accept that in offtopic..
[03:58] <Fitz11> Someone please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:59] <zcat[1]> !ask | Fitz11
[03:59] <HardDisk> Izinucs, I was trying to distract his attention away from here.
[03:59] <oddhyena> Fitz11, i can help you
[03:59] <lstarnes> Fitz11: please be patient; you have only been here for a couple minutes
[03:59] <lstarnes> Fitz11: you are using ubuntu, right?
[03:59] <oddhyena> Fitz11, first, you make sure that it goes.
[03:59] <Fitz11> how do i download stuff and creating it into a folder
[03:59] <Oilut> HardDisk, yes for wine. I want to use metatrader 4 http://www.metatrader4.com/
[03:59] <Izinucs> HardDisk: best to just !ops and have him banned
[03:59] <DryGrain> hey guys, when downloading a Windows program to run in WINE, where do I download it to?
[04:00] <oddhyena> DryGrain, anywhere
[04:00] <DryGrain> orly
[04:00] <keppi> DryGrain:  "Downloads" folder?
[04:00] <Fitz11> whenever i try to download something it says its not a fole\der
[04:00] <HardDisk> Oilut, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=2893&iTestingId=7065
[04:00] <DryGrain> WINE will recognize it no matter where it is?
[04:00] <lstarnes> DryGrain: yes
[04:00] <HardDisk> DryGrain, yarly
[04:00] <DryGrain> thanks
[04:00] <zilla1> DryGrain, if you navigate to it, there should be a menu when you right-click for "open in wine"
[04:00] <lstarnes> DryGrain: it recognizes .exe files everywhere
[04:00] <Oilut> HardDisk, thanks will read and reply
[04:00] <Fitz11> So wAT TO I DO
[04:00] <DryGrain> huzzah
[04:00] <lhx_> Oilut: how's your forex trading going?
[04:01] <HardDisk> Good news everyone.
[04:01] <zilla1> if you want it to open in wine automatically, you might have to write a little script for that, i believe
[04:01] <lhx_> Oilut: i was never able to get mt4 to work under wine... so I still use oanda
[04:01] <keppi> Fitz11:  where are you trying to download the file to?
[04:01] <zilla1> ...Professor?
[04:01] <lhx_> Yes Farnsworth?
[04:01] <HardDisk> Great Gorillas of Manilla!
[04:01] <Fitz11> keppi:thats the problem i dont know wat to download it to
[04:02] <oddhyena> is there a way that I can mount a file not as a filesystem but as an entire drive with multiple partitions? Like mount a file as /dev/sdx and partition it?
[04:02] <lhx_> HardDisk: I'm currently watching through the the whole show.. just finished season 1 yesterday
[04:02] <webbb82> i just got this trying to install kde   whaty does this mean
[04:02] <webbb82> \Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4.3.2-0ubuntu7.1_all.deb
[04:02] <lhx_> HardDisk: not that I haven't seen the whole thing already
[04:02] <keppi> Fitz11:  download it to your "Downloads" folder
[04:02] <lstarnes> webbb82: that package could not be downloaded
[04:02] <webbb82> hash sum mismatch
[04:02] <mezquitale> oddhyena, if you want to partition a harddisk use gparted
[04:02] <lstarnes> webbb82: or the version of the file there is different than what apt expected
[04:02] <Fitz11> Keppi, Then wat to i do
[04:02] <Oilut> lhx_ Hi! It is going well, I am from Brazil... I got about 15% this year
[04:03] <kcj1993> can files be shared across this?
[04:03] <lstarnes> Fitz11: desktop?
[04:03] <keppi> Fitz11:  go to your "Downloads" folder to access it.
[04:03] <ardchoille> oddhyena: we don't mount devices or files, we mount file systems
[04:03] <HardDisk> lhx_ i love the show, and a lot of my egyptian friends are getting into it, except they prefer family guy.
[04:03] <lhx_> Oilut: nice! I'm from Texas. Anything over 8% is a stellar year in my book :-) Unless you're a day trader :-)
[04:03] <lstarnes> kcj1993: many irc clients support using DCC for that, but it tends to have issues behind routers and some users disable it
[04:03] <ardchoille> !ot
[04:03] <Fitz11> but somtimes it wont let me open the thing i downloaded
[04:03] <kcj1993> ok
[04:03] <Oilut> lhx_ http://www.moneyfanclub.com/forex-trading-discussion/3809-metatrader-4-linux.html
[04:03] <kcj1993> thanks
[04:03] <lhx_> HardDisk: bah. Futurama is the best show ever.
[04:04] <draconis> mezquitale, oddhyena is talking about creating a file that contains a whole partition table and disk image
[04:04] <lhx_> Oilut: thanks... i'l check it out
[04:04] <iMatter> How can i force unmount a volume in ubuntu?
[04:04] <Oilut> lhx_ yeah, the markets from US and Brazil are pretty different, i am not a day trader.
[04:04] <HardDisk> im a day walker.
[04:04] <Oilut> lhx_ yeah, I did just a few trades this year
[04:04] <ardchoille> !ot | Oilut lhx_
[04:04] <knoppies> !conky
[04:04] <keppi> iMatter:  sudo umount -f volume
[04:05] <lhx_> Oilut: I swing trade forex and spend half the winnings on toys and half the winnings go into dividend paying equities
[04:05] <oddhyena> I want to create a backup of the mbr because it's almost impossible to fix grub with the live disk if something overwrites it because of so many errors
[04:05] <mezquitale> draconis, like ardchoille mentioned, we dont mount devices of files, we mount file systems, maybe he is attempting to create a partition on a harddisk
[04:05] <iMatter> thanks
[04:05] <jenny-devbie> does anyone know what context switches are?
[04:05] <Oilut> lhx_ oanda is a website only? They do not have a software? I use www.advfn.com
[04:06] <ardchoille> Oilut lhx_ Please take the trading discussion to offtopic
[04:06] <mezquitale> jenny-devbie, someone in #java might know or maybe #perl
[04:06] <oddhyena> should I just do cat /dev/sda >> file.img?
[04:06] <draconis> mezquitale, it sounded pretty clear that he knew how to create a partition on a hard disk
[04:06] <Meowpup> is one of the serves down today
[04:06] <ardchoille> Odd_Bloke: sda is a device, you need a partition number
[04:07] <lhx_> ardchoille: done
[04:07] <Izinucs> Meowpup: us.ubuntu.com security ?? not sure but I've been having problems all day
[04:07] <mezquitale> draconis, I will refet you to ardchoille message
[04:07] <jenny-devbie> thanks mezquitale
[04:07] <draconis> oddhyena, ardchoille: isn't that a bit dangerous? you'd better not have /dev/sdaX mounted
[04:07] <ardchoille> Izinucs: try a different mirror?
[04:08] <Izinucs> ardchoille: yep.. had to get out of the US.. went to the united kingdom mirrors
[04:08] <ardchoille> draconis: if it's not mounted, how are you going to copy files from it?
[04:08] <draconis> ardchoille, um.. that was a cat command...
[04:09] <ardchoille> draconis: can you cat something that the system can't see?
[04:09] <sdk> Question: What are the primary differences between xubuntu and ubuntu?
[04:09] <oddhyena> I just want a way to make an image out of a filesystem on my hard disk so I can back it up and then rewrite it to the disk if the original gets messed up (Vista, NTFS)
[04:09] <iMatter> How can i fix a windows MBR from a Ubuntu Jaunty LiveCD
[04:09] <mcurran> what is lsh-make-seed used for?
[04:09] <ardchoille> sdk: the desktop environment xubuntu = xfce, ubuntu = gnome
[04:09] <mezquitale> ardchoille, please dont feed trolls
[04:09] <keppi> draconis:  why not just use tar to make a backup file?
[04:09] <draconis> you can most definitely cat from a device file
[04:10] <draconis> that's no "troll"
[04:10] <mezquitale> iMatter, you dont have a windows CD??
[04:10] <sdk> ardchoille - so besides the desktop environment, no differences? So xubuntu has the same packages, defaults, drivers, etc?
[04:10] <iMatter> mezquitale: none with a capable recovery console
[04:10] <Flannel> sdk: They use the same repositories, the differences are what packages are installed by default
[04:10] <ardchoille> sdk: It's basically the same base system, packages will differe
[04:11] <mezquitale> iMatter, so you dont want to fix a MBR, you want to recover data then?
[04:11] <Oilut> lhx_ OANDA is a webtool only? do they have a software?
[04:11] <doseryder> what's a "Windows MBR"?  do you mean want to re-install grub after a windows installation?
[04:11] <iMatter> mezquitale: also last time i had issues it never really worked right when i restored MBR ...always had to boot into ubuntu live cd to fix boot.ini
[04:11] <iMatter> mezquitale: no fix mbr
[04:11] <Oilut> lhx_ sorry, i had problems
[04:11] <iMatter> mezquitale: i think i remember someone telling me it was possible to fix a windows mbr from ubuntu long as you have write access
[04:11] <sdk> ardchoille - is the differences between packages mostly the desktop environment? or does xubuntu not come with many of the same packages?
[04:11] <lhx_> Oilut: np... /msg me though if you still want to talk trading
[04:12] <keppi> xubuntu comes with different packages
[04:12] <draconis> keppi, in case it's a disk that you need to use foremost on, and not all that data appears as files
[04:12] <ardchoille> sdk: I don't enough about it to be able to give a deep description
[04:12] <doseryder> can someone recommend an "avant-navigator-manager" alternative?
[04:12] <ardchoille> doseryder: there are several, open a terminal and run: apt-cache search dock
[04:12] <doseryder> i mean "avant-window-navigator"
[04:13] <mezquitale> iMatter, that is on my list to do, I can do that using the windows CD but not an ubuntu CD, if someone gives you the answer can you e-mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks!
[04:13] <doseryder> archet45thanks
[04:13] <ardchoille> yw
[04:14] <draconis> keppi, especially if you need to recover deleted files (that might still be there)
[04:14] <sdk> keppi - is xubuntu more light-weight in terms of default packages?
[04:14] <ardchoille> doseryder: see my PM
[04:14] <iMatter> mezquitale, ok
[04:14] <mcurran> I don't know why people don't do this, but the best way to dual-boot with windows is to keep the MBR in the boot sector and place grub on the linux partition, then you set the linux partition active and add an entry for windows in grub - therefore no mess and nothing to worry about.
[04:14] <alabd> Good day every one , which packages should be installed to open a java web base app ? sun-java-bin & sun-java-jre & sun-java- plugin are installed , but firefox can not open a java applet on linux(ubuntu) that firefox can open it in vista of course it is opened in another system with linux debian5, why ?  , means that applet can not be opened by other browsers too .. except sun-java-jre and sun-java-bin and sun-java-plugin should any other package be in
[04:14] <alabd> stalled ?
[04:15] <sdk> Keppi - the website isn't very explanatory
[04:15] <keppi> sdk:  yes it's pretty snappy and lightweight.  I run it on my slower pc's
[04:16] <sdk> keppy - do you like thunar? How does it compare?
[04:16] <zcat[1]> !java
[04:16] <zcat[1]> hmm..
[04:16] <mezquitale> mcurran, because grub2 doesnt play nice and sometimes you have to use MBR, it's actually easier to just let grub2 use the MBR, it works!  I have tried it and im quite happy with it, if you want to add windows partition in grub afterwards it might be a chore in grub2
[04:17] <mcurran> Well a chainloader entry is usually generated by ubiquity in grub2 anyways
[04:17] <keppi> sdk:  works just fine for me.  Accessing network resources through it is a bit tricky though
[04:17] <sdk> keppi - can I pretty much install any regular deb packages in xubuntu without issues? I'm somewhat new to linux, and I'm looking for a pretty simple desktop environment. I like gnome, but I was thinking about trying xfce
[04:17] <keppi> sdk:  yes, you can get them off synpatic as well
[04:17] <mcurran> If you overwrite your MBR and you have a manufacturer's recovery partition for windows, you're screwed
[04:17] <Izinucs> mezquitale: mcurran http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-22-005-35-OS-HL-SW for grub2 easy how to
[04:17] <ardchoille> sdk: gnome apps run just fine in xfce and vice-versa
[04:18] <mcurran> I know how to use grub Izinucs
[04:18] <keppi> sdk:  gnome is a pig compared to xfce
[04:18] <mcurran> mezquitale needs that link apparently
[04:18] <mezquitale> mcurran, but is there a reason why we shouldnt be touching the MBR?
[04:18] <Izinucs> mcurran: sorry I mentioned it :/
[04:18] <sdk> keppi - what do you think of xfburn? have you used it? Or Ristretto (the image viewer)?
[04:19] <sdk> Keppi - [sorry] what do you mean by pig?
[04:19] <mcurran> No, feel free to use the boot sector, I just find it easier to put grub in the linux partition and leave MBR alone - That's just my preference
[04:19] <keppi> sdk:  I haven't burned anything with linux yet.
[04:19] <Breetai> help! I have a disk where the file permissions are set to -r-- --- --- and it won't let me chmod them. What can i do?
[04:19] <mcurran> Then you could also add entries for linux with EasyBCD if you want also
[04:20] <keppi> sdk:  gnome uses a lot more resources, and is slow vs xfce it runs slower on older boxes
[04:20] <mcurran> I multi-boot usually one windows OS - ubuntu or linux mint - kalyway OS X - and BackTrack  - each with their own respective boot loader and can freely jump from any one os to the other
[04:20] <Izinucs> Breetai: do a "ls -la <filename" and see who owns it.. if it's other than you then sudo chown <username:username> <filename>
[04:20] <mezquitale> mcurran, new users might not know how to specify which partition to install it on, hd0? hd1?  If they install in the MBR it will work and it's just fine, advanced users can off course use their own settings but to encourage people to use ubuntu using MBR will be just fine, it's works and it's simple
[04:20] <sdk> keppi - I like speed, but what's the trade off?
[04:20] <keppi> sdk:  one of my xfce boxes runs as a live music streamer and the other runs as an internet kiosk
[04:21] <mcurran> Yes, but don't you see how many people where it doesn't work perfectly and then they don't know what to do.
[04:21] <keppi> sdk:  tradeoff depends on what you require out of the system.  I don't really see any downsides to it.  Tends to be updated less often then gnome.
[04:22] <mcurran> That's why I've been saying ubiquity should install grub to the root partition by default, then there wouldn't be as many problems
[04:22] <mezquitale> iMatter, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:22] <alabd> to ue openjdk on firefox should not plugin package be installed ?
[04:22] <alabd> to use openjdk on firefox should not plugin package be installed ? like that sun-java6-jre package
[04:23] <mcurran> Does anyone know of any kalyway or hackintosh channels/servers on IRC
[04:23] <mcurran> I can't find any
[04:24] <sdk> keppi - thanks / ardchoille - thanks
[04:24] <leaf-sheep> alabd: Not necessary if you have openjdk-6-jre installed.
[04:24] <keppi> sdk:  no problem
[04:24] <ardchoille> sdk: you can always install the xfce desktop on your ubuntu system and try it out
[04:24] <LordDragon> mcurran, hackintoshs are illegal and violate the apple EULA for OSX
[04:25] <draconis> LordDragon, did he ever claim to be using a Hackintosh?
[04:26] <LordDragon> i asked about where to go to find info on hackintosh
[04:26] <LordDragon> er he
[04:26] <LordDragon> he asked i mean
[04:26] <draconis> LordDragon, oh, I didn't read that far
[04:26] <alabd> leaf-sheep: thanks how to say firefox not to use sun-java-jre ? remove sun-java-plugin will take affect ?
[04:27] <pez2> yo all
[04:27] <leaf-sheep> alabd: Sure, that should be in configuration script.  Also, check out "Choosing the default Java to use" in this link.
[04:27] <mcurran> So does anybody else want a Sager NP8690 or what?  Thing is just plain silly
[04:28] <leaf-sheep> !java | alabd
[04:28] <msleather> is anyone running ubuntu 9.10 ppc version?
[04:28] <msleather> zerg are you here?
[04:28] <mcurran> What does pae kernel stand for
[04:28] <msleather> anyone know what jockey-gtk is?
[04:28] <jonx3> this might seem like a dumb question, but how can I easily remove folders by date?  say I want to delete all the folders in a directory that are >3 days old
[04:28] <altf2o> pae allows the kernel to access more memory on 32bit systems.
[04:29] <Fezzler> What would make Firefox crash while playing YouTube video after upgrade to 9.10?
[04:29] <ardchoille> msleather: apt-cache show jockey-gtk
[04:29] <leaf-sheep> msleather: Hardware Drivers.
[04:29] <draconis> however, if you have over 4GB of memory, check to see if your system really is 32bit
[04:29] <kylo> can someone help me mount and access an encrypted partition to a new installation
[04:29] <altf2o> i had several issues with old nVidia drives and old Flash player crashing my browser.
[04:30] <mezquitale> !jockey-gtk
[04:30] <msleather> umm
[04:30] <altf2o> upgraded both, issue solved for me
[04:30] <msleather> well it works on this powerbook g4 :)
[04:30] <jolaren> When a bug report has status "Uncomplete" on launchpad, what does that mean?
[04:30] <keppi> mcurran:  pae = Physical Address Extention
[04:30] <msleather> it recognizes the bluetooth
[04:31] <msleather> but it doesnt recognize the wireless aircard. what is the command to identify your stutt? is it something like ??? -v
[04:31] <flexible> hey, is there any reason that my router settings page should take a few seconds to load?
[04:31] <keppi> flexible:  slow router?
[04:31] <flexible> my modem page loads seemingly instantly
[04:32] <flexible> keppi: it is a reasonably new one... wireless n...
[04:32] <flexible> keppi: of course it is possible, but it seems unlikely.... could it be DNS issues?
[04:32] <keppi> flexible:  what brand?  Routers have built in web servers and if it's a slow processer then it could serve pages slowly
[04:32] <kylo> how do i mount a partition that was encrypted in a previous installation, when i mount all i see is "Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop"
[04:32] <leaf-sheep> Guest59440: sudo lshw -c network
[04:32] <mcurran> what's the other window manager used by compiz - I'm running Metacity, what's the other one again?  Isn't there a switch for them two
[04:32] <mcurran> fusion-icon maybe
[04:33] <jmspeex> Just upgraded to Karmic and so far it seems to behave a lot better than Jaunty. Just one problem though, the "notification popups" are so small I can't read them (and I've got good eyes). Any idea how to make them bigger?
[04:33] <lstarnes> mcurran: compiz is a window manager
[04:33] <flexible> keppi: netgear, model is wnr2000
[04:33] <keppi> flexible:  DNS only affects things going through the router.  If you're acessing the router, you should be accessing it directly
[04:33] <Fezzler> altf2o>> Doesn't "Update" function automatically make sure I have latest Flash and video drivers?
[04:33] <jrtroberts> keppi:  what is the issue?
[04:33] <Meowpup> is one of the serves down today
[04:34] <Meowpup> i cant downloadanything
[04:34] <Meowpup> * download anything
[04:34] <flexible> keppi: anything i can do to speed it up, or rather is there any reason it would be slow that i can fix?
[04:34] <mcurran> What's the most popular ubuntu irc chat server?  Is this it?
[04:35] <leaf-sheep> mcurran: 1355 People here. You know.
[04:35] <keppi> jrtroberts:  slow settings pages from router
[04:35] <ardchoille> mcurran: you're soaking in it
[04:35] <mezquitale> mcurran, this is ubuntu channel official support
[04:35] <keppi> flexible:  is it all pages or maybe just the status page?
[04:35] <jrtroberts> keppi:?  the page is loading slowly?  or the internet connection or wireless connection is slow?
[04:35] <mcurran> is that why my system is running so slow right now
[04:36] <jmspeex> Anyone else is seeing the notification popups in 3-pt font?
[04:36] <keppi> jrtroberts:  he gets pages from his modem quickly
[04:36] <mezquitale> mcurran, what processor do you have?
[04:36] <tuxintosh> yep
[04:36] <mcurran> I'm embarrassed to say...  Pentium II
[04:37] <jrtroberts> if this is an isolated inccident then it could be an issue at the isp level, if it is web related...
[04:37] <mcurran> 256MB RAM - and they don't match (2x 128)
[04:37] <keppi> mcurran:  I'm impressed!
[04:37] <mcurran> Yes, it only took me 2 1/2 days to compile my kernel the other day.
[04:37] <mcurran> :)
[04:37] <mezquitale> mcurran, your machine is not slow, it's old, you might want to run xubuntu instead of ubuntu, I have an old pentium II as well and it's just way too old for ubuntu, insteadl xubuntu on it instead
[04:37] <tuxintosh> leftist> load grub 2
[04:37] <mcurran> I'm actually running mint
[04:38] <mcurran> It's running pretty fast for it's age actually
[04:38] <flexible> keppi: all pages on the router web service load slowly.... takes about three seconds at least to load every page
[04:38] <keppi> jrtroberts:  I don't know, you can address flexible
[04:38] <rickasaurus> hello
[04:39] <jrtroberts> mcurran you may look into fluxbox for a desktop, that will speed up the os if mint supports it.
[04:39] <rickasaurus> I'm having trouble with flash 10 in 9.04
[04:39] <Geoffrey2> !nfs
[04:39] <rickasaurus> I don't get any audio from it
[04:39] <keppi> mcurran:  you compiled your kernel for ubuntu?
[04:39] <Fezzler> How do I install latest Flash for 9.10?  Command line okay.
[04:39] <ww> teddy
[04:39] <mcurran> I was wondering about that - the community editions have xfce and fluxbox I think - I just like to run the newest releases though and those versions don't come out for while
[04:39] <jrtroberts> flexible: your netgear configuration pages are loading slowly?  that could mean that the router is busy processing something.
[04:39] <ww> teeddddi
[04:39] <ardchoille> !flash | Fezzler
[04:39] <ww> teddy
[04:39] <ww> teddy
[04:40] <keppi> rickasaurus:  have you installed the restricted formats?
[04:40] <mcurran> Are there any small distros that look nice and have a lot of codecs
[04:40] <ww> why
[04:40] <ww> I hate you
[04:40] <ardchoille> ww: Please stop that
[04:40] <keppi> flexible:  try hard reseting your router?
[04:40] <jrtroberts> flexible: also if you are running something like bittorrent or streaming media, the router can only proccess a limited amount of info at one time, so it will slow down responce
[04:40] <ww> asupo
[04:40] <ww> pop
[04:40] <ww> l
[04:40] <keppi> mcurran:  dreamlinux
[04:40] <ww> ll
[04:40] <ww> l
[04:40] <FloodBot3> ww: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:40] <ww> l
[04:40] <ww> l
[04:41] <Oilut> thanks HardDisk play on linux seems to be great
[04:41] <mcurran> ls
[04:41] <rickasaurus> how do you set the default device in pulseaudio
[04:41] <jrtroberts> mcurran I have had great luck with xbuntu and fluxbox for a desktop...
[04:41] <keppi> mcurran:  runs xfce as well
[04:41] <ww> eat my shit asshole
[04:41] <mcurran> flexible I'd reset it for you, but the userlist is too long for me to see your address :)
[04:41] <demo> hi , any idea why when running wubi installation it fails to enter windows bcd and quits?
[04:41] <princezuda> what does it mean flash player is not free software?   I am using deja-dup for my backups, it uses duplicity and I'm running deja-dup as a normal user.
[04:42] <princezuda> Oh, I know all about GPL.
[04:42] <jrtroberts> a turd enema
[04:43] <demo> anyone?
[04:43] <lstarnes> princezuda: it's not because it's not GPL, it's because it's proprietary and not open-sourcer
[04:43] <h00k> !ohmy | jrtroberts
[04:43] <lstarnes> *open-source
[04:43] <keppi> demo: sorry
[04:43] <teddy> Razta
[04:43] <princezuda> Well the flash language is open source.
[04:43] <mcurran> Has anyone dual-booted with syslinux being used for both distros
[04:43] <flexible> keppi: i might try that during the week actually, can't hurt.
[04:43] <spO> i have *.patch files for mplayer, how do i apply patch files?
[04:44] <keppi> flexible:  are you able to access internet pages quickly?
[04:44] <jrtroberts> ubottu: and why not give the people that were cussing the same note...
[04:44] <mcurran> I had a dual-boot pendrive but the syslinux config file would get overwritten and then the other distro would no longer boot
[04:44] <rastafariant> test
[04:44] <mcurran> nobody thinks your intelligent ubottu
[04:44] <jrtroberts> ah a bot...
[04:44] <rastafariant> woyo
[04:44] <keppi> rastafariant:  it works!
[04:44] <Tjah> hello
[04:44] <altf2o> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-224826.html
[04:44] <flexible> jrtroberts: it isn't an infrequent event, it happens regardless of any activity... and it is interesting as the modem that is behind the router loads fine, as does the other router on the network
[04:44]  * altf2o google works great.
[04:44] <Tjah> abbas
[04:44] <houdini> I hope someone in here has an idea for me.  I just installed xubuntu 9.10 (all updates applied, etc).  I'm trying to use Pidgin to connect to my Jabber server (which works for other clients).  It fails with the error "You require encryption, but it is not available on this server."
[04:45] <Tjah> hahahaha
[04:45] <houdini> SSL is available to other clients... so, ?
[04:45] <rastafariant>  TEDDDDDYYYYYteddddddyyyy
[04:45] <rastafariant> teddy steven
[04:45] <flexible> keppi: not as fast as i should be able to
[04:45] <Tjah> prikitiew
[04:45] <h00k> will duplicity backup /etc without being run as root?  I am using deja-dup for my backups, it uses duplicity and I'm running deja-dup as a normal user.
[04:45] <rastafariant> woyo
[04:45] <jrtroberts> is that a router or an access point?
[04:45] <Tjah> HERUWATI
[04:45] <rastafariant> i love bob marley
[04:45] <flexible> jrtroberts: access point
[04:45] <Tjah> heru + wati = wawan
[04:45] <jrtroberts> ok access points don't realy have any proccessing power.
[04:46] <keppi> flexible:  you could run speedtest.net to see if your internet connection is up to par
[04:46] <flexible> jrtroberts: no, it is an actual router that has been set up as an access point
[04:46] <flexible> keppi: my router says around 13500 kbps downstream
[04:46] <jrtroberts> flexible: and the whole network is using the same channel and speed?
[04:46] <RedKhan> Hello! Can somebody help a newbie?
[04:46] <houdini> my server is running ejabberd on debian
[04:47] <flexible> and i have confirmed that when it is running fine i can download at up to 1.3mb/s
[04:47] <soreau> ! ask | RedKhan
[04:47] <mcurran> if I wanted to add this server to xchat how do i do it (irc.osx86.hu) - for some reason you need to do something else besides just add that
[04:47] <keppi> h00k:  I don't see how it could.  You'd need to be root to access some of the files
[04:47] <flexible> jrtroberts: the access point is not the cause of this, it was put in place to try and speed up the network... didn't work... but it remains because it can't hurt
[04:47] <keppi> flexible:  what is your ping time?
[04:48] <flexible> to where
[04:48] <ShapeShifter499> I need some help...I have a acer aspire one netbook with ubuntu 9.10 on it and my sound just a few reboots ago stopped working in firefox and wine (not sure if any other apps/games are affected) what do I do to fix it?
[04:48] <keppi> flexible:  on the speed test
[04:48] <h00k> keppi: eThat is what I was thinking, although it has reported nothing regarding this.  perhaps i'll file a bug about prompting for root password when accessing things the normal user doesn't have acces to.
[04:48] <kcj1993> Is there any way to configure notify-osd?
[04:48] <flexible> oh i don't remember
[04:48] <flexible> i tried it yesterday in fact, and it never even completed
[04:48] <keppi> h00k:  you could run it as a service that runs with root privilages
[04:48] <flexible> and it said only about 3 mbps
[04:48] <h00k> keppi: I suppose, yeah.
[04:48] <flexible> so i clearly have a problem
[04:49] <jrtroberts> flexible: how is it going to speed up the network?  if you put a wireless n access point in a wireless G network, all devices not spcifically set to work on N onlly are still going to run on G or B, whatever the slowest link is...
[04:49] <keppi> flexible:  ping should be in "ms"
[04:49] <RedKhan> I updated my 8.10 to 9.10 through internet and now it won't start up. Right before the login screen comes a screen with a distorted ubuntu logo and that's all...
[04:49] <kcj1993> Well is there?
[04:50] <unkmar> RedKhan: cool.  you got a foto of that?  I want to see some distortaion.
[04:50] <RedKhan> Sorry, 8.10 to 9.04
[04:50] <jrtroberts> flexible: I am assuming that you know the ip address of the netgear access point, pinging it from a terminal and report the time in ms.
[04:50] <kcj1993> hello?
[04:50] <jrtroberts> if that is also slow then the LAN is slow...
[04:50] <h00k> !hi | kcj1993
[04:50] <rickasaurus> this is so frustraiting
[04:50] <ShapeShifter499> ok I just tried rhythmbox and it plays my music so I think its just firefox and wine so far
[04:51] <rickasaurus> sound works everywhere except flash
[04:51] <kcj1993> anyone?
[04:51] <pubuntu> ሀሀ
[04:51] <ShapeShifter499> So what do I do?
[04:51] <RedKhan> probable can make one, how to send it to you?
[04:52] <keppi> kcj1993:  ??
[04:52] <flexible> jrtroberts: most of them were about 0.95ms, however it spiked a few times to between 1.3ms and 3.5ms
[04:52] <flexible> jrtroberts: and that was to my router
[04:53] <jrtroberts> ok then you lan is the issue, there is a slow link some where
[04:53] <keppi> flexible:  that sounds fine
[04:53] <jrtroberts> when it spikes.
[04:53] <kcj1993> Is there any way to configure notify-osd?
[04:53] <jrtroberts> if that is what is causing the pages to load slowly anway
[04:53] <jrtroberts> from the netgear...
[04:53] <jrtroberts> the router ms is definately in norms
[04:53] <flexible> could the fact that my modem is on <IP_ADDRESS> whilst my router is on <IP_ADDRESS> be an issue?
[04:54] <altf2o> flexible: that will cause some issues.
[04:54] <Meowpup> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)   E: Unable to lock the list directory"
[04:54] <jrtroberts> What kind of port does the modem connect to?
[04:54] <madhumitha> I just brought up ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, every thing worked fine, but my USB mouse and key board will not work, can any one help? Thanks for your time.
[04:54] <flexible> and could the fact that i've a dhcp server enabled on both be an issue?
[04:54] <keppi> flexible:  sure it's not the other way around?
[04:54] <jrtroberts> if the modem is connected to a WAN Port, then NAT will deal with the network difference.
[04:54] <flexible> what kind of port? eh? it is an adsl modem, connecting to the phone line and then into the wan port ont he router
[04:54] <Meowpup> hey i got this error is it something to do with the ubuntu server being down?? " sudo apt-get update E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)   E: Unable to lock the list directory"
[04:55] <unkmar> flexible: that will really mess things up.
[04:55] <altf2o> for me i turned off DHCP on both my Linksys router and Airport Express WAP essentially making them more like "switches." Then all devices got their IPs from the single router on my network (also DSL modem) and now everything is on 192.168.0.x and can speak.
[04:55] <microlith> wow
[04:55] <flexible> unkmar: what will?
[04:55]  * altf2o to one another
[04:55] <keppi> unkmar:  why?   sounds right to me
[04:55] <unkmar> flexible: DHCP on to devices on the same network, as in, hub/switch.
[04:56] <flexible> so i should turn DHCP and make everything static then?
[04:56] <unkmar> s/to/two/
[04:56] <meatcar> Let's say, hypotheticaly I was interested in contributing to the software community, ubuntu or otherwise, coding wise, where can I start?
[04:56] <jrtroberts> flexible.: it works like this   the phone line to the DSL Modem/Router (since it offers DHCP) which connects to the router's WAN link
[04:56] <flexible> meatcar: c
[04:56] <iMatter> Is it possible to install grub to windows partition?
[04:56] <unkmar> flexible: sorry, I was thinking, DHCP serving.  not Automatic IP aquiring.
[04:56] <altf2o> just turn off DHCP from any other routers internally. You only need one device (typically your DSL modem\router or Cable modem\router) to act as a DHCP server
[04:56] <iMatter> Because I don't have ubuntu installed, and I don't really like windows bootloader
[04:56] <jrtroberts> ISP offers an IP address to the dsl modem.
[04:57] <HyperHacker> http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Toolchains found my MIPS assembler... ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mipsdev --target=mips-unknown-linux-gnu --disable-werror
[04:57] <meatcar> No, i mean I know coding, but i want to do something usefull.
[04:57] <flexible> jrtroberts: that is how i've got it set up
[04:57] <unkmar> meatcar: the easies it to just hang out here and help those in need.
[04:57] <jrtroberts> the dsl modem NAT's the Public IP address to the private 10 network
[04:57] <jrtroberts> the router you are using then NAT's the 10 network to the private 192.168.1 network
[04:57] <jrtroberts> it is all gravy
[04:57] <jrtroberts> nothing is really wrong
[04:57] <flexible> i've got NAT disabled on one of the devices though
[04:58] <jrtroberts> then you need to enable it on both
[04:58] <microlith> anyone else had ubuntu 9.10 panic when trying it out in VMWare 6.5?
[04:58] <ShapeShifter499> now its just wine with the sound problems
[04:58] <flexible> then leave DHCP server enabled on both?
[04:58] <jrtroberts> yes
[04:58] <jrtroberts> or give the wan link on the router a static ip that matches the subnet of the dsl modem.
[04:59] <git__> hi jenia
[04:59] <neurodrone> anyone knows if its possible to load a "root.disk" while ubuntu is running?
[04:59] <jrtroberts> and you don't want the dsl modem and the router to be on the same subnet, that will cause issues, unless you use VLSM
[04:59] <leaf-sheep> Was there a new/updated solution for those using amd64 + Flash 10?  Seems like there are some recurring issues with flash not registering mouse clicks for me (lately).
[04:59] <flexible> jrtroberts: tried that yesterday but it didn't change, in fact i could access it from <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:59] <neurodrone> I have it as my backup and need to retrieve the data from it now..
[04:59] <Tekk1> I need to know the main repository for hardy's address
[04:59] <Ryan1> leaf-sheep: Disable compiz
[05:00] <neurodrone> leaf-sheep: theres some issues with GTK 2.18+
[05:00] <jrtroberts> flexible. you have 3 count them THREE networks in your house.
[05:00] <neurodrone> leaf-sheep: try if 1. right click on the flash 2. double click on it .. works?!
[05:00] <leaf-sheep> neurodrone: It does work.  How about popping out of the browser (Hulu) and whatnot? It stayed in the screen.
[05:00] <dreamcage> hi can someone tell me a webdesign software for me to use here in ubuntu?
[05:00] <neurodrone> leaf-sheep: if you can de-grade back to older version or something
[05:00] <leaf-sheep> I recently replaced compiz with metacity.  Will see what's happening.
[05:00] <Tekk1> dreamcage: sudo apt-get install geany
[05:01] <neurodrone> leaf-sheep: older version of GTK*
[05:01] <altf2o> dreamcage: look into Joomla. I've been having a ton of fun with it.
[05:01] <flexible> jrtroberts: how so? i have 192.168.1.x and 10.0.0x
[05:01] <leaf-sheep> !code | Tekk1
[05:02] <flexible> i have two... the second router is an access point that is linked to the netgear router... it isn't its own network
[05:02] <jrtroberts2> flexible: the 1st network is the public internet
[05:02] <Tekk1> ubottu: what does that have to do with my question?
[05:02] <jrtroberts2> flexible: the second is the dsl modem -> First Router
[05:02] <gamerguy26> hello all ubuntu newbie here
[05:02] <Tekk1> ubottu: it's a ploy! you're going to kill us all in our sleep!
[05:02] <dreamcage> altf2o, ive heard about it, but i want to create other things intall modle and i think joomla wont sopport all the programing i want becouse the business logic
[05:02] <doseryder> !joomla
[05:02] <jrtroberts2> flexible: the third is the Router to the rest of the LAN
[05:02] <dreamcage> altf2o, but thanks anyway
[05:02] <flexible> oh, right... okay well would that cause issues?
[05:02] <Tekk1> !repository
[05:03] <flexible> considering i can 'see everything'
[05:03] <dreamcage> Tekk1, geanny is a great software?
[05:03] <jrtroberts2> flexible: if you don't have NAT enabled it can
[05:03] <altf2o> dreamcage: it's highly extensible, but to each their own.
[05:03] <gamerguy26> how do i bring up that desktop cube thing
[05:04] <Tekk1> dreamcage: I absolutely love it, it's fast and it supports EVERYTHING
[05:04] <leaf-sheep> !cube | gamerguy26
[05:04] <lhx_>
[05:04] <jrtroberts2> flexible: don't worry about the <IP_ADDRESS> network on the dsl/modem... just turn on NAT on the Modem and the Router and that should work just fine.
[05:04] <jrtroberts2> flexible: and DHCP on both won't hurt.
[05:04] <gamerguy26> oh ok so i need a graphics card to use it . instead of integrated
[05:04] <dreamcage> Tekk1, thank you so much
[05:04] <ZaNeIuM> is it hard to change my boot up screen?
[05:05] <Sagaci> hey, how do you help with the screenshots in synaptic package manager?
[05:05] <flexible> jrtroberts, okay well that is what i'll do... thanks
[05:05] <Tekk1> ZaNeIuM: are you adverse to starting something on command line?
[05:05] <ZaNeIuM> no
[05:06] <Tekk1> ZaNeIuM: click system, adminsitration, login window ;P
[05:06] <ZaNeIuM> only been using linux for about 2 weeks
[05:06] <gamerguy26> or do i need an additional graphics card other than integrated ?
[05:06] <ZaNeIuM> karmic
[05:06] <flexible> jrtroberts: oh. and should upnp be enabled on both my router and modem
[05:06] <Tekk1> I need to know the main repository for hardy's address
[05:06] <jrtroberts2> upnp is Universal Plug and Play
[05:06] <ZaNeIuM> not the login window, the boot screen
[05:06] <Tekk1> ZaNeIuM: don't worry, we were all new to GNU/Linux at one time ;D
[05:06] <Tekk1> oh
[05:06] <lstarnes> Tekk1: will one of the mirrors work?
[05:06] <gamerguy26> i'm about 2 days new to linux
[05:06] <Tekk1> lstarnes: I don't see why not
[05:06] <lstarnes> Tekk1: do you just need main and not the others?
[05:07] <jrtroberts2> flexible: that just lets machines outside of your network connect, it opens any port that any other machine wants
[05:07] <lhx_> jrtroberts2: you don't have a dad named bill do you?
[05:07] <Tekk1> lstarnes: just main
[05:07] <jrtroberts2> no dad named bill
[05:07] <lhx_> kk
[05:07] <dreamcage> Tekk1, i entered in the home page of geany and it is an multi purpose IDE.. i would like a easy to draw tool to create css and desing things... does geany support things like that?
[05:07] <lhx_> thought i recognized your nick
[05:07] <jrtroberts2> flexible: turn that off
[05:07] <Tekk1> dreamcage: if you can code it, geany supports it
[05:07] <Tekk1> I was just using it for HTML+CSS a minute ago
[05:07] <lstarnes> Tekk1: the lines that I have for main also have restricted
[05:07] <ShapeShifter499> nvm wine is ok now
[05:07] <lstarnes> Tekk1: deb http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ hardy main
[05:07] <Tekk1> lstarnes: I can remove it
[05:07] <jrtroberts2> flexible: upnp should always be off when connecting to the internet...
[05:08] <unkmar> yeah, I was new to it when I was born.  hadn't seen it yet.  j/k. I only have about a year under my belt.
[05:08] <lstarnes> Tekk1: followed by: deb-src http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ hardy main
[05:08] <jrtroberts2> flexible: you can just do some port forwarding if you need a certain protocol or application to work...
[05:08] <Meowpup> hey i got this error is it something to do with the ubuntu server being down?? " sudo apt-get update E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)   E: Unable to lock the list directory"
[05:08] <dreamcage> Tekk1, of course, but when i say easy to draw i mean i could use the mouse... i am not a html expert and i need some fast previews
[05:08] <JPSman> is it possible to try out other windows managers without closing gnome?
[05:08] <unkmar> jrtroberts2: will he need to use iptables to do that?
[05:08] <microlith> hmm
[05:09] <microlith> whatever kernel 9.10 shipped with does not like it when vmware tries to be helpful
[05:09] <jrtroberts2> unkmar: iptables is for linux...
[05:09] <Tekk1> Tekk1: it's not frontpage or dreamweaver, but it works great when you learn the stuff
[05:09] <jrtroberts2> portforwarding on the router is self contained.
[05:09] <Tekk1> dreamcage: no, it's not what you're looking for then
[05:09] <unkmar> JPSman: yeah, do remote X from another system.
[05:09] <lstarnes> Tekk1: you might also want to add the updates and/or security repos
[05:09] <princezuda> Hey quick question... isn't the setup connection multiverse in ubuntu to download things that may break laws in some countries? Reason I'm asking is because flash player used multiverse to install.... which is odd since it is legal to use the flash player.
[05:09] <jrtroberts2> if he was running a linux server for a router then he would use iptables, since that is effectively a catch all access list for linux systems.
[05:09] <Tekk1> lstarnes: no, I use an ubuntu based distro and our main has been down for a while, everything else has been up
[05:10] <chompy> is there a program that will rip content off of dvds? That I own.
[05:10] <unkmar> JPSman: I don't suggest it.  But you can.  You can keep both gnome and have another windom manager installed at the same time. then choose which to use.
[05:10] <dreamcage> Tekk1, do you have another option for me to use? suggestions? (dreamweaver like programs)
[05:10] <jrtroberts2> unkmar: that answer your question?
[05:10] <Tekk1> dreamcage: no, I think things like that are an abomination personally...
[05:10] <JPSman> unkmar: any way to do it on the same computer?
[05:11] <lstarnes> Meowpup: no, that's caused by a missing file
[05:11] <Meowpup> i never deleted the file
[05:11] <princezuda> dreamcage: I use dreamweaver and I learned the hard way that it is more pain than it is worth on the most part. Now some adobe products like flash cs4 are worth every single penny but not dreamweaver.
[05:12] <greg_universe> j #rantradio
[05:12] <greg_universe> sorry
[05:12] <dreamcage> princezuda, may i privet message you?
[05:12] <princezuda> yes you may.
[05:12] <rickasaurus> ok sweet, I figure out how to fix it for one user via pulseaudio volume control
[05:12] <unkmar> jrtroberts2: yes you answered my question.
[05:12] <rickasaurus> now how do I make those settings the global default
[05:12] <princezuda> Okay so isn't the use of multi-verse illegal?
[05:12] <uncleBez> dreamweaver back like 8-10 years ago was a great tool. since then its more trouble than its worth.
[05:13] <lstarnes> princezuda: no
[05:13] <unkmar> JPSman: not that I know of.  Maybe someone else knows more than I do.
[05:13] <uncleBez> is code indenting for a start is ugly and so hard to configure!
[05:13] <JPSman> unkmar: thank you :OD
[05:13] <lstarnes> princezuda: if it were illegal, it wouldn't be an official part of ubuntu
[05:13] <Meowpup> lstarnes: ok so in ubuntu 9.04 i cant do "sudo apt-get update" without the error. has it been updated for karmic ot something now
[05:13] <jmspeex> OK, I think I've found out why my notifications end up being unreadable. Apparently, there's some bit of moronic code in the font preference and when I set my application font size to "10.5" then the noticication code only sees the 5 and give me notifications in 5pt
[05:13] <lstarnes> princezuda: it's legal stuff that isn't freely licensed
[05:14] <princezuda> hmm... I thought it was to download decoders and such that breaks parts of some countries laws. Reason I'm asking is because flash was downloaded via it.
[05:14] <lstarnes> Meowpup: try using file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[05:14] <jlederman> what do I do when ssh tells me "no route to host" ?
[05:14] <lstarnes> princezuda: you're probably thinking of the medibuntu repos
[05:14] <ysj_> hello, freshman test
[05:14] <lstarnes> jlederman: check your routing
[05:14] <unkmar> jlederman: give up and find another route.
[05:14] <unkmar> jlederman: are you sure the ssh server is running?
[05:15] <jlederman> unkmar, nope i'm really new to this. I'm trying to ssh into my palm pre from my computer. I have the necessary components installed
[05:16] <git__> anyone here has a blackberry?
[05:17] <unkmar> jlederman: I see. Hmm, palm pre. fancy toy. first thought, has it been rebooted.  As in turned off and on again.  i don't know if that is needed, but it can't hurt.
[05:17] <unkmar> jlederman: do you know the pre's ip?
[05:17] <git__> where do you get ssh app for blackberry?
[05:18] <jlederman> unkmar: yep i've tried both the local and wan ip address. the local one returned the "no route ..." and the wan is just sitting.. like its working but no results yet
[05:18] <princezuda> I have a blackberry.
[05:18] <princezuda> git:
[05:19] <princezuda> I connect my blackberry to my computer via usb and ubuntu reads it as another hard drive and charges it at the same time.
[05:19] <jlederman> unkmar, i'm really just not familiar enough with the terminal commands for ssh yet, and the manual is rather large (just started tinkering with all this this afternoon)
[05:19] <unkmar> jlederman: I'd only try the local.
[05:19] <unkmar> I'd do the wan after I new the local was working.  much faster reject time.
[05:19] <jlederman> exactly
[05:20] <jlederman> well, either way I get the no route to host. so that means something is not running? namely, whatever it is on the phone that needs to be turned on
[05:20] <Meowpup> lstarnes:  how do i get apt-get update to do that
[05:21] <jlederman> unkmar: oh snap i tried again and it gave me authenticity check rather than error...
[05:21] <lstarnes> Meowpup: it's a terminal command
[05:21] <jlederman> permission denied lol
[05:21] <unkmar> jlederman: now you are down to getting the user/pass correct or a keypair.
[05:21] <lstarnes> Meowpup: file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[05:22] <jlederman> unkmar: correct. I know how to use the keygen, but am not sure about getting a duplicate on the phone..
[05:22] <jlederman> unkmar: it would be incorrect to make them separately on the phone and the pc, yes? i've read that it has to be copied into a directory
[05:22] <jrtroberts2> alright, I am starting to feel even better about taking all of these CISCO classes...
[05:23] <altf2o> jrtroberts2: what are you going for?
[05:23] <unkmar> jlederman: I don't remember the exact process.  but it boils down to a public/private key pair.  Gotta have the public in one place and the private in the other.
[05:23] <Meowpup> lstarnes: file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[05:23] <Meowpup> /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: ERROR: cannot open `/var/lib/apt/lists/lock' (No such file or directory)
[05:23] <lstarnes> Meowpup: then that file does not exist
[05:23] <unkmar> jlederman: both are generated at the same time using the same system.  phone or computer.
[05:23] <cxo> When I do man stdio.h, it says no man page found, why not? Fedora has a man page for that
[05:24] <jrtroberts2> right now an AAS in Network Specialist, and then a BASIT in netowrk management, and then a MBA in Computer Science.
[05:24] <lstarnes> Meowpup: use sudo touch /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[05:24] <altf2o> very nice...
[05:24] <jrtroberts2> Currently I am taking CCNP classes...
[05:24] <jrtroberts2> just one more after this and and Econ class and My AAS is finished...
[05:24] <lstarnes> Meowpup: thrn use sudo chmod 0640 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[05:25] <Meowpup> lstarnes: chmod: cannot access `/var/lib/apt/lists/lock': No such file or directory
[05:25] <lstarnes> Meowpup: you didn't use touch
[05:26] <altf2o> congrats. I've long since established i'm not good in school, i learn better on my own. I've recently started studying for my CCNA. So far not to bad, although we'll see how these 'simulators' stack up to real equipment i would prob. get in a class.
[05:26] <Meowpup> ls i used to be able to update fine now i know i have not deleated that file is there a way of restoring it
[05:26] <Meowpup> the origional
[05:26] <lstarnes> Meowpup: yes
[05:26] <lstarnes> Meowpup: by using touch
[05:26] <lstarnes> Meowpup: it is always an empty file when it does exist
[05:27] <pnema> HI all, I freed up some space on a new partition, does someone have a good link that states how to move an existing file system onto a new partition (using 9.10)
[05:27] <jrtroberts2> altf2o: actually packet tracer is as good as the real equiment in about 85-90 percent of CCNA related scenarios.
[05:27] <Meowpup> lsttouch manually doing it
[05:27] <jlederman> unkmar: yeah, I think i have to copy it. ssh-keygen man says "The contents of this file should be added to  ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on all machines where the user wishes to log in using RSA authentication. "
[05:27] <Meowpup> lstarnes:  touch manually doing it
[05:27] <jrtroberts2> my only recommendation is that you get used to using the console cables and termial app in the pc desktop...
[05:28] <lstarnes> jlederman: just copy the contents of your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub into the server's into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[05:28] <jrtroberts2> if you are not using packet tracer or the CISCO official Cirriculum, then I am not sure what to tell you.  BOSON makes their own version of the cisco IOS with limited capabilities.
[05:28] <lstarnes> jlederman: there is an way to do that remotely with one command.  I think it is cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh USER@HOST "tee -a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys"
[05:29] <lstarnes> *a way
[05:29] <mobilecc> howdy
[05:29] <jrtroberts2> The biggest thing you will miss out on not using real equiment is the way it looks and feels and responds.  actually hooking up cables, and having to verify patch cable types...
[05:29] <jlederman> lstarnes: ahhh ok thank you
[05:29] <Out_Cold> i am loving the xrandr ease of use now... used to be such a pain trying to set up an extended desktop onto the TV...
[05:29] <altf2o> gotcha... Well my work has the Cisco library for free so i've been reading the PDFs. Just noticed i get 40% off at ciscopress.com so i will be using the Cisco material for sure. I'll have to check into packet tracer
[05:30] <mcurran> wow the backtrack guys don't talk much
[05:30] <jrtroberts2> packet tracer is a dream...
[05:30] <Out_Cold> mcurran, they have their days... and they don't usually answer stupid questions
[05:31] <jrtroberts2> learn about simulation mode and you can inspect packets on a hop by hop basis... you can look at the pdu's and see what changes are made from device to device.  and it will even allow you to run quizes on what is happening at the various layers of the OSI stack, or TCP/IP,
[05:31] <DigitalKiwi> Out_Cold: such as?
[05:32] <Out_Cold> DigitalKiwi, such as how do i crack my neighbour's WEP ;)
[05:32] <DigitalKiwi> lawl
[05:32] <DigitalKiwi> ubuntu forums has that guide!
[05:32] <Out_Cold> and so do several other forums.... but it's not legal
[05:32] <altf2o> nice
[05:33] <jrtroberts2> alft2o: if you register for a class at cisco.netacad.net and take one class and pass it then you can register as an alumni, which gives you access to all cisco material in ccna and ccnp...
[05:33] <DigitalKiwi> they disguise it as a "how do i crack my own wep" post
[05:33] <dAlfa89_> WEP is pretty easy, WPA on the other hand.. ):
[05:33] <Josti> Hello! I would need some help with Ubuntu and touchscreen
[05:33] <Shentino> Cracking your own wep though is a good idea...it shows you how crappy it is :)
[05:33] <Out_Cold> dAlfa89_, it's possible with a lot of GPUs
[05:33] <Shentino> ditto for WPA1
[05:33] <MenZa> !details | Josti
[05:33] <Josti> I cant seem to calibrate my touch screen
[05:33] <Shentino> IIRC they found a hole in that one
[05:33] <maco> dAlfa89_: meh flood the AP for force a reassociation....WPA is a one-packet attack
[05:33] <jrtroberts2> also if you pass the CCNA semester 4 final exam with like an 80% or above on your first try, then you get a discount voucher for taking the exam ...
[05:33] <maco> s/for/or/
[05:33] <Shentino> so go with WPA2 with AES
[05:34] <dAlfa89_> WPA-PSK here
[05:34] <Silent_Echo> my router dosnt need a password -.- i live out in the middle of nowhere...
[05:34] <jrtroberts2> but that only matter if you are going to pay for an academy class...
[05:34] <altf2o> nice, that's awesome. Thank you.
[05:34] <Out_Cold> Shentino, just change your password every few weeks if you are that paranoid
[05:34] <Josti> I have a  eGalax TouchScreen but i cant seem to calibrate it right
[05:35] <Meowpup> is one of the serves down today
[05:35] <smackdaddy> does anyone know of a good web based email app, that lets users create their own name/pass kind of like yahoo/hotmail. ?
[05:35] <Shentino> I'm just remarking on WPA1's flaws.  Rumor has it that it's just as bad as WEP
[05:35] <jrtroberts2> you may need to see if you have to take the class online though, as usually you have to register with the cisco academy through a certified partner school...
[05:35] <Shentino> Personally, I just use IP reservations to lock everyone else out
[05:35] <jrtroberts2> but check it out...
[05:36] <Shentino> then if something else tries to spoof my MAC I know something is screwy.
[05:36] <ctmjr> my neighbor was stealing my wifi till i gave him a printout of his bank statement
[05:36] <argentino> i do sudo dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=OS/ubuntu-UNR.iso to burn de iso into the pendrive but i doesnt copy anything am i typing it ok?
[05:36] <jrtroberts2> and I have heard that the CCNA is the hardest exam out of all the CISCO exams
[05:36] <DigitalKiwi> ctmjr: lmao
[05:36] <DigitalKiwi> nice
[05:37] <Josti> I have a  eGalax TouchScreen but i cant seem to calibrate it right
[05:37] <Out_Cold> yea... i suppose people should mind what they do with illegal bandwidth
[05:37] <Out_Cold> i had a router set up as a honey pot before
[05:37] <jrtroberts2> well night all...
[05:37] <altf2o> really? I really was looking at CCNA Security and perhaps CCNP. Not sure from there. My passion has always been in programming, but my job opened me up to networking which is very fascinating.
[05:37] <RyanJ> If I want something to happen automatically (launch a program) when I connect a USB Flash Drive, what should I do?
[05:37] <altf2o> thanks for the tips, appreciate it.
[05:37] <maco> dAlfa89_: WPA1 or WPA2? if 1, i hope youre using AES not TKIP. WPA+TKIP = 12 minuts
[05:38] <unkmar> RyanJ: depends on WHEN you want it to happen.
[05:38] <alabd> leaf-sheep:  sun-java-jre is installed should be removed for firefox detecting java from openjdk ?
[05:38] <jrtroberts2> well CCNA is hard because it covers such a broad range of information compared to the other exams... they just get more and more specific.
[05:38] <unkmar> RyanJ: I am not sure where you would trigger that action.
[05:38] <elendal__> BOOYA!
[05:38] <dAlfa89_> WPA2+AES
[05:38] <Silent_Echo> anyone kno anything about makeing your current os complete with all the prefrences into an iso....like a back up
[05:38] <jrtroberts2> and taking the composite exam is easier than taking the ICND's
[05:38] <elendal__> MOTHERFUCKERS!
[05:38] <dAlfa89_> maco, ^
[05:38] <RyanJ> unkmar, ok
[05:39] <elendal__> SEX
[05:39] <maco> !ops | elendal__ langauge
[05:39] <dAlfa89_> Have I any reason to be paranoid yet? ;D
[05:39] <altf2o> i was definitely going to go composite. At $150 or $125x2 , no comparison especially with a little one on the way :)
[05:39] <unkmar> RyanJ: I do know that it is detectable in dmesg.
[05:39] <ctmjr> !clone | Silent_Echo
[05:39] <altf2o> good to know though, i'll focus on that.
[05:39] <RyanJ> I was wondering if I should be looking around in HAL or DBUS or whatever controls the low level stuff
[05:39] <Out_Cold> dAlfa89_, only if you have something you shouldn't
[05:40]  * Shentino gets dizzy watching chanserv
[05:40] <dAlfa89_> Out_Cold, yeah, I know who shot Kennedy and who took down the towers  -.-
[05:40] <jrtroberts2> and if you can, once you get the 2 and 3 classes or material covered, routing and switching, take a look at the CCNP routing and switching books to get a better idea of what is going on... help you pass the exam...
[05:40] <Out_Cold> was americans :p
[05:40] <Gorgatron> hi
[05:40] <altf2o> nice, will do :)
[05:41] <hemant_> i want to run ubuntu from Copmact ID
[05:41] <dAlfa89_> Out_Cold, you know it too?! Run!
[05:41] <Gorgatron> so a couple days ago someone spammed some 96mb text file that tried to get me to download like 200 copies of it lol
[05:41] <hemant_> but a minimize installation
[05:41] <Out_Cold> what's a copmact ID?
[05:41] <unkmar> hemant_: Copmact ID?
[05:41] <jrtroberts2> night all
[05:42] <Out_Cold> or not..
[05:42] <hemant_> compact flash
[05:43] <Out_Cold> hemant_, it's a usb flash?
[05:43] <hemant_> no its a ide flash its like an harddisk
[05:44] <Out_Cold> well then i would only assume that you would install it like any other disk and use the minimal installation setup and select that disk
[05:44] <unkmar> hemant_: so you need a persistant usb install to minimize drive access and maximize overall life.
[05:44] <git__> how much is the cheapest usb 16GB flash drive?
[05:44] <Flare-Laptop> git__: Offtopic?
[05:44] <Silent_Echo> git__: black friday.... its a good day
[05:45] <Out_Cold> i paid $40 CDN for my last 8GB flash
[05:45] <hemant_> mean?
[05:45] <Out_Cold> !usb | hemant_
[05:48] <spO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/440233
[05:48] <Out_Cold> i heard talk about having another ubuntu channel.. are they gonna do that or just keep one over populated channel?
[05:49] <bazhang> Out_Cold, please take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:49] <Out_Cold> it's fairly on topic no?
[05:49] <Josti> Hello! Could anyone help me with my egalax touch screen ? Cant seem to calibrate it
[05:49] <digitalfiz> whats good vnc software for ubuntu but works on windows too
[05:49] <bazhang> Out_Cold, no, its not. Please move it there
[05:50] <\\`00t> Hi
[05:50] <digitalfiz> are atleast a combo that works together
[05:50] <dAlfa89_> Out_Cold, but it's not support, which is probably related to the idea of seperate channels
[05:50] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: Hello Welcome to #ubuntu
[05:50] <\\`00t> Flare-Laptop, Howdy ... remember you from a few months ago
[05:50] <Out_Cold> yea... i'm just to lazy to type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:51] <Shentino> lol
[05:51] <\\`00t> Flare-Laptop, I've got a stupid "mono-common" dependency issue in 9.10
[05:51] <Flare-Laptop> Flare-Laptop: Mono works fine on my pc's
[05:51] <\\`00t> I keep getting an "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: mono-common"
[05:51] <qwebirc15308> having problems with live usb persistent karmic after splash screen and loading screen get keyring then nothing except circle shaped cursor [not a fresh install...booted 5-10 times]
[05:52] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: for like which package are you trying to install?
[05:52] <\\`00t> Flare-Laptop, Have you tried installing "gnome-artNG"?
[05:52] <Out_Cold> qwebirc15308, what's changed since the last time it was booting correctly?
[05:52] <Flare-Laptop> Flare-Laptop: No I haven't
[05:52] <\\`00t> it's one of my all-time favorites (love the ability to change look/feel) ... but broken on 9.10 now
[05:53] <Out_Cold> nice quit msg
[05:53] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: yeah that package doesn't exist in karmic
[05:53] <\\`00t> CRAP ... so is there a way to "get around that"?
[05:53] <\\`00t> that's what I've found but mono still works by default so ...
[05:53] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: As far as I know there isn't.
[05:54] <\\`00t> dammit, author of the program doesn't respond to emails
[05:54] <Out_Cold> gotta love that..
[05:54] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: Report a bug I guess
[05:54] <\\`00t> Flare-Laptop, So ... how do you change your GUI look/feel?
[05:54] <hemant_> i want to run ubuntu from compact flash ide
[05:54] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: New themes :D
[05:54] <\\`00t> Flare-Laptop, ... I've never tried ... how's that done?
[05:55] <Out_Cold> hemant_, we already gave you a link to install a persistent OS
[05:55] <Silent_Echo> \\`00t: you familiar with emerald?
[05:55] <Out_Cold> hemant_, For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[05:55] <\\`00t> Silent_Echo, I am not
[05:55] <Josti> Hello! Could anyone help me with my egalax touch screen ? Cant seem to calibrate it
[05:55] <Silent_Echo> \\`00t: compiz fusion?
[05:55] <Flare-Laptop> !art | \\`00t
[05:55] <maco> \\`00t: dont use emerald
[05:56] <maco> \\`00t: its unmaintained and super-crashy and will not be fixed because its been abandoned
[05:56] <\\`00t> OK, I guess I have a few pages to go read
[05:56] <maco> \\`00t: get themes from http://gnome-look.org
[05:56] <murcherson> so grub2, what a wonder to behold
[05:56] <murcherson> i think not
[05:56] <Silent_Echo> maco: realy?...i never had a problem with it
[05:56] <Flare-Laptop> murcherson: offtopic?
[05:56] <maco> Silent_Echo: it hasnt had a patch in at least a year and a half, maybe 2
[05:56] <smackdaddy>  whats a good webmail server for ubuntu 9.10 that lets users create their own accounts?
[05:56] <murcherson> sorry but i have to tell someone
[05:56] <qwebirc15308> can anyone help with a black screen in karmic live usb?
[05:56] <maco> Silent_Echo: so all those crashes it had back then...still there
[05:56] <sharpen047> does anyone know why kubuntu will only play sound through one application at a time?
[05:57] <Silent_Echo> maco:  interesting...so what do you use?
[05:57] <maco> Silent_Echo: well i dont use compiz anymore, but when i did.... the gtk-window-decorator can use metacity themes just fine but will apply compositing to them on its own
[05:57] <zcat[1]> changing the login screen in karmic... can it be done?
[05:57] <maco> Silent_Echo: the window manager i use does not have window borders, title bars, etc, because it does not work that way
[05:57] <sharpen047> does anyone know why kubuntu will only play sound through one application at a time?(seen confirmed bugs but no real solution)
[05:57] <Out_Cold> sharpen047, it's an alsa issue i think where each app takes full control of your sound... i don't think there is a solution yet
[05:57] <Flare-Laptop> zcat[1]: Yes, with gnome-theme-manager
[05:58] <Shentino> pulseaudio?
[05:58] <Shentino> *ducks*
[05:58] <sharpen047> yes
[05:58] <sharpen047> lol
[05:58] <zcat[1]> gnome-theme-manager: command not found
[05:58] <sharpen047> can i just remove it and use alsa or something?
[05:58] <next_jerk> hi
[05:58] <Flare-Laptop> zcat[1]: hold on
[05:58] <maco> zcat[1]: gnome-appearance-properties you mean?
[05:58] <Silent_Echo> maco:  yeah...i got introduced to emerald and i just kinda stuck with it, never gave me problems so i just blindly stuck with it XP
[05:58] <\\`00t> So, on gnome-look (along the left side) which option do I pick so it'll work with the "Appearence Preferences" applet?
[05:58] <maco> sharpen047: kubuntu doesnt include pulseaudio, so go ahead
[05:58] <Shentino> To be honest I always found alsa to be quite willing to let multiple apps use the sound at the same time
[05:58] <murcherson> is pulseaudio still tied in to desktop?
[05:58] <Out_Cold> sharpen047, pulseaudio uses alsa as a higher lever stack
[05:59] <maco> Silent_Echo: thereve been attempts to remove it from the archive since development stalled a long time ago
[05:59] <maco> murcherson: in gnome, yes
[05:59] <Shentino> so pulse -> alsa -> sound card
[05:59] <Flare-Laptop> zcat[1]: idk
[05:59] <maco> murcherson: more and more each realease
[05:59] <zcat[1]> LOGIN screen... not in gnome-appearance-properties
[05:59] <sharpen047> Shentino, so if i uninstall PA will it fall back to alsa? or is there more work Out_Cold
[05:59] <murcherson> hmmm
[05:59] <Josti> Hello! Could anyone help me with my egalax touch screen ? Cant seem to calibrate it
[05:59] <maco> sharpen047: yes it will
[05:59] <Out_Cold> Shentino, something like that.. i think there are a few more levels but yea
[05:59] <sharpen047> maco, kubuntu karmic comes with PA
[05:59] <maco> sharpen047: no it does not
[05:59] <maco> sharpen047: im on the kubuntu development team
[05:59] <Out_Cold> Shentino, i just use one app at a time lol
[06:00] <maco> sharpen047: perhaps you installed java?
[06:00] <Shentino> meh, I like firing up sox in a VT and doing stuff on desktop ^^
[06:00] <sharpen047> maco, thank you
[06:00] <sharpen047> maco, if it is installed i did it through firefox
[06:00] <Shentino> though there's some sort of bug that kills the sound at least temporarily when you switch to a VT
[06:00] <Shentino> and it gets hosed if that VT belongs to someone else other than who owns the desktop
[06:00] <maco> sharpen047: i think java is the most common way for pulseaudio to accidentally end up on kubuntu systems. personally, i like pulseaudio, but then ive had over a year of hanging out with the audio guru to learn to make it work for me
[06:00] <lowlycoder> in the english sentenced, is the right grammar "friends worth dying beside" or "friends worth dying besides"?
[06:01] <Out_Cold> lol
[06:01] <zcat[1]> there are gdm theme packages in karmic but absolutely no way of USING any of the themes?!!
[06:01] <Flare-Laptop> !lol | Out_Cold
[06:01] <maco> lowlycoder: the former
[06:01] <maco> lowlycoder: also, thats offtopic
[06:01] <Flare-Laptop> !ot | lowlycoder
[06:01] <lowlycoder> maco: what is the grammar rule I should look up?
[06:01] <maco> lowlycoder: im not sure
[06:02] <zcat[1]> so is there a config file or something in gconf that I can change?
[06:02] <\\`00t> Hey, my brother ran Ubuntu like 3yrs ago and he had an awesome interface that looked like a "cube" that would have different desktops on each edge ... does that still exist?
[06:02] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: I just ssh that ip and it worked
[06:02] <Flare-Laptop> !compiz | \\`00t
[06:02] <Out_Cold> i think that over use of badly timed bot scripts should be limited to people who are actually opped
[06:02] <Shentino> lowly:  Actually that one depends on context.  PM me if you want details, but not here in public
[06:02] <zcat[1]> !compiz | \\`00t
[06:02] <Blue1> is anyone else having usb flash drive mount failures in 9.10?
[06:02] <sharpen047> maco, haha well is therea way to configure it so i can have sound through firefox and amarok?(example)
[06:02] <\\`00t> sweet
[06:03] <Flare-Laptop> Out_Cold: Nope, not when a IRC op helper (like me) know when and how to use them :)
[06:03] <zcat[1]> \\`00t:  mostly you just need to install compizconfig-settings-manager and enable the cube through that, compiz is already installer and running in ubuntu since way back
[06:03] <Out_Cold> tool
[06:03] <zcat[1]> *installed
[06:03] <maco> sharpen047: theoretically, if *everything* or *nothing* in system settings -> multimedia is set to use pulseaudio, it should all work, but mixing and matching will break things
[06:04] <sharpen047> maco, i changed "audio output" and set to all devices
[06:04] <maco> sharpen047: not having pulseaudio installed at all should also work in kubuntu because phonon *should* handle everything
[06:04] <zcat[1]> \\`00t:  assuming you have a 3d-capable video card and any required drivers
[06:04] <qwebirc15308> Blue1: I am
[06:04] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: yeah, so did I.
[06:04] <maco> sharpen047: restarting those apps may be necessary for it to take effect
[06:04] <cybermuttaqin> halo
[06:04] <Blue1> qwebirc15308: I can always just manually mount/dismount but it's a pain....
[06:04] <cybermuttaqin> i am new in ubuntu server
[06:04] <KenBW2> how can install IEs4linux in Karmic?
[06:04] <cybermuttaqin> please help me
[06:04]  * zcat[1] does NOT have a 3d capable video card on this laptop.. no cubic goodness for me. :(
[06:05] <maco> !ask | cybermuttaqin
[06:05] <Flare-Laptop> zcat[1]: Card?
[06:05] <Silent_Echo> personally i find cube to b annoying
[06:05] <qwebirc15308> Blue1:  mine have to do with a bad unmount most of the time.
[06:05] <Meowpup> KenBW2: y do you want internet explorer in linux
[06:05] <Flare-Laptop> Silent_Echo: Not me, it rocks!
[06:05] <zcat[1]> ATO rage mobility something.. hang on
[06:05] <Blue1> qwebirc15308: well the automount feature seems disabled...
[06:05] <Flare-Laptop> ATI*
[06:05] <KenBW2> Meowpup: web development
[06:05] <Snausages> zcat[1]: what's cubic goodness?
[06:05] <zcat[1]> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[06:05] <Flare-Laptop> Snausages: Compiz
[06:05] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: how?? you didn't get to my files right?
[06:06] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, that might be possible in wine but i would check at the wine-hq
[06:06] <zcat[1]> sorry, not ATI that was my last laptop
[06:06] <qwebirc15308> Blue1: I am sorry i am not having the same problem
[06:06] <Flare-Laptop> zcat[1]: er never heard of it, sorry can't help you there
[06:06] <Meowpup> KenBW2: its not internet explorer is baised on it
[06:06] <arvinoids> hi, how do I send a file on Empathy? (yahoo)
[06:06] <Snausages> Flare-Laptop: I haven't seen it.  my ubuntu machine is a netbook so I doubt it could handle it.
[06:06] <Meowpup> the true internet explorer ie in windows
[06:06] <Blue1> qwebirc15308: ah well at least there's a work around...
[06:06] <sharpen047> maco,  it has been this way sincei upgraded via alternate cd image from 9.08 i think it was, and uninstalling PA uninstalls half the things on my system like dolphin, kde-window-manager, and konqueror.. the list is about 100 apps long
[06:06] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: are you familiar with http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/
[06:06] <Flare-Laptop> Snausages: run compiz --replace and try it
[06:06] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: yeah, I got in and stole a copy of all your records.  I saw that you didn't pay the IRS last year.  I'll inform them of your SSN.
[06:06] <qwebirc15308> Blue1: good luck
[06:06] <zcat[1]> Flare-Laptop:  I'm beyond help, I need a better laptop
[06:06] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: of course I can't see jack. I don't have a login. :P
[06:07] <git__> anyone know how to configure grub so that it doesn't combine casper-rw to the filesystem in a live usb?
[06:07] <Snausages> Flare-Laptop: what's the way out of it if it doesn't work?
[06:07] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: I don't know who's a hacker or not
[06:07] <zcat[1]> It's not a lack of config or drivers, it's just that the hardware is physically incapable of 3d
[06:07] <Out_Cold> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ "This web site at www.tatanka.com.br has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences."
[06:08] <arvinoids> Hello all. How do I send file through Empathy using Yahoo protocol? Option is grayed out.
[06:08] <maco> sharpen047: please pastebin output of "aptitude why pulseaudio"
[06:08] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: if it can be done. I probably could do it. but, I haven't applied myself in those areas. so, No. I didn't get anything.  Just verified that the port resolved to an active ssh connection.
[06:08] <Josti> Hello Anyone here that knows anything about touchscreens ?
[06:08] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: yea i noticed that, but it's fairly well-known
[06:08] <Flare-Laptop> arvinoids: Upload it to filebin.ca, and give them the URL
[06:08] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: so did it let you try to log in
[06:08] <arvinoids> what do i need to upload?
[06:09] <unkmar> yes, and fingerprinted me.
[06:09] <landry> Out_Cold:  I thought linux was supposed to be immune to viruses
[06:09] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, and it seems that you need wine for it to work..
[06:09] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: what does it mean for me?
[06:09] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: yea i know, but when i tried t failed
[06:09] <Out_Cold> landry, very not true..... people just don't write viruses for linux.. that and you need sudo rights to run the virus
[06:09] <sharpen047> maco, haha only puts out this "i   pulseaudio-module-x11 Depends pulseaudio (= 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4)"
[06:10] <Silent_Echo> question to the room....empathy: what clients can it video chat with, Pidgin: what clients can pidgin video chat with?
[06:10] <Flare-Laptop> !virus | Out_Cold, landry
[06:10] <maco> landry: there have been ~30 viruses for linux in the wild over the years. they are quickly patched out of existence. none in a few years that im aware of
[06:10] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, have you found any other info on that app other than that onee site?? it seems pretty fishy to me
[06:10] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: it means that the ssh is working and the portforwarding is working.  you just need stable way to know where the system is if your Internet IP changes on your DSL network.
[06:10] <landry> Out_Cold:  well if I visit the site and dont give my password...
[06:10] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: should it work? cuz all it did to me was keep saying that the network was unreachable
[06:10] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: ive used it on previous iterations of ubuntu
[06:10] <davebs> I think my driver modules got deleted from /lib/modules/kernel version/kernel directory, is there any way to rebuild them?
[06:10] <hemant_> how can i run the ubuntu linux from ram
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: unreachable outside of my network
[06:11] <Flare-Laptop> hemant_: Live CD?
[06:11] <Silent_Echo> hemant_: live cd
[06:11] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: if the no-ip properly resolves to your Internet ip. then it will work.
[06:11] <\\`00t> Stupid question ... in Compiz ... how do I add more than 2 desktops (2 doesn't make for an exciting cube, hah)
[06:11] <Flare-Laptop> ShapeShifter499: Get a real domain :D
[06:11] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: it IS reachable from outside of your network by the IP.
[06:11] <maco> \\`00t: in general settings you can set horizontal virtual size to 4
[06:12] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: install compizconfig-settings manager, then set the horizontal virtual size to 4 on the general menu
[06:12] <Flare-Laptop> oos
[06:12] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: but not when I use the url the no-ip gave me
[06:12] <Flare-Laptop> oops*
[06:12] <Out_Cold> i have had several difficulties with wine apps even though a lot of them seem heavily supported
[06:12] <unkmar> \\`00t: right click the desktop selection thingy on the bar and select a number larger than 2 for horizontal desktops.
[06:12] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: maybe if it's a wine app it would cause problems if you installed it n Windows, hence the warning
[06:12] <\\`00t> Flare-Laptop, Can you have a diff wallpaper on each "desktop"?
[06:12] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: Not yet
[06:12] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: As far as I know anyway, I can't.
[06:13] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: that is because no-ip appears to not have the correct IP set.
[06:13] <masterfishslayer> in need of help with karmic live usb persistent {post install]
[06:13] <\\`00t> this is awesome!
[06:13] <sharpen047> maco, any ideas?
[06:13] <sevol1> does anyone know why sound in mplayer doesn't work?
[06:13] <\\`00t> "Number of desktops" is set to 1 ...
[06:13] <Trezker> I think I saw a video yesterday of compiz with different backgrouns on each
[06:13] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, very possible but still sounds fishy... 4 security reports in 90 days is not very good
[06:13] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: whats the difference between the url and ip?
[06:13] <sevol1> my sound works, but in mplayer the volume icon is greyed out
[06:13] <Shentino> What is the proper way to pronounce "sudo"
[06:13] <Shentino> Does it rhyme with judo?
[06:13] <\\`00t> There really isn't any "help" for this :)
[06:13] <maco> sharpen047: pastebin output of trying to remove pulseaudio
[06:13] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: what url where you given?
[06:13] <Flare-Laptop> Shentino: yeah
[06:13] <KenBW2> \\`00t:i think what you can do is make an image that's (number of desktops * horz resolution)
[06:13] <landry> url maps to an ip
[06:14] <maco> Shentino: proper is like "sue due" but "sue doe" is common too
[06:14] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: ill look into it
[06:14] <\\`00t> oooh, that makes sense
[06:14] <maco> Shentino: because its "superuser do" where "do" is the verb
[06:14] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: shapeshifter499.hopto.org
[06:14] <pcdummy> sevol1: for me it works perfect
[06:14] <maco> Shentino: i go with the judo-rhyming one
[06:14] <sevol1> pcdummy: i mean totem not mplayer sorry
[06:14] <Flare-Laptop> Shentino: it means fake root :P
[06:14] <unkmar> that is an inside ip address.
[06:14] <\\`00t> OK everyone, thanks ... I'm out for the night!
[06:14] <\\`00t> g'nite all
[06:14] <maco> Shentino: out of habit
[06:14] <Flare-Laptop> \\`00t: night
[06:15] <maco> Flare-Laptop: or more literally, "superuser do" like "simon says"
[06:15] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: it isn't getting an outside IP.
[06:15] <Flare-Laptop> macd_: Yup that too
[06:15] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: and i bet I know why.
[06:15] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: why?
[06:15] <Flare-Laptop> ShapeShifter499: check your dsl modem and your router
[06:15] <landry> http://xkcd.com/149/
[06:15] <Flare-Laptop> !ot | landry
[06:15] <switchgirl> anyone having issues updating?
[06:15] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: your DSL modem doubles as a router. so your router gets the modems inside IP.
[06:15] <pcdummy> sevol1: bye ...
[06:16] <GammaX> I recently upgraded 9.04 UE to 9.10, is there a way to roll back to 9.04?
[06:16] <pcdummy> GammaX: why do you want to roll back?
[06:17] <sharpen047> maco, i think it finished but here it is http://pastebin.com/d621de90f
[06:17] <ftab> how can I find a string in files ?
[06:17] <landry> GammaX: backup?
[06:17] <GammaX> pcdummy: After upgrade it does not see my laptops touchpad and no audio/video is seen anymore
[06:17] <maco> ftab: grep
[06:17] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: ohh I see
[06:17] <ftab> is there any gnome tool for that or I have to rely on command line ?
[06:17] <GammaX> landry: I didnt
[06:17] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: and plese don't use that irfan.php link I gave earlier.  My system sort of depends on it.
[06:17] <ftab> maco, thanks but I used grep I m not sure it returns the desired result ?
[06:17] <ftab> maco is there any gui tool ?
[06:17] <pcdummy> GammaX: ohh :(
[06:17] <Out_Cold> ftab, i think grep can locate strings in files
[06:17] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: the ip address in the dsl router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:17] <maco> dunno
[06:18] <maco> Shentino: looks fine
[06:18] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: and that is the correct IP.
[06:18] <pcdummy> GammaX: thak a look at backintime in the future (nice backup tool)
[06:18] <lindar> How do I install something in Wine? It says I don't have permission to install/write to the registry.
[06:18] <Shentino> maco:  huh?
[06:18] <pcdummy> s/thak/thake/g
[06:18] <Flare-Laptop> lindar: sudo apt-get install wine
[06:18] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: so should I add everything here to my wifi router
[06:18] <maco> sharpen047: that was at you :)
[06:18] <lindar> I installed wine.
[06:18] <GammaX> pcdummy: gotcha
[06:18] <maco> Shentino: wrong person
[06:18] <landry> GammaX: did you check the grub menu?
[06:18] <lindar> How do I install something -with- wine?
[06:18] <Shentino> lol
[06:18] <ftab> any gui tool for finding a string in files ?
[06:19] <GammaX> landry: nope
[06:19] <pcdummy> GammaX: do you want to fix 9.10?
[06:19] <Seveas> ftab, gnome-terminal :)
[06:19] <Out_Cold> lindar, just run the setup/install binary
[06:19] <zcat[1]> lindar:  normally just run the installer just like for windows..
[06:19] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: the no-ip appears to be the only thing that should be handled from the DSL router or... should be handled from the laptop that you plan to connect to.
[06:19] <ardchoille> Where can I find back in time? I don't see it in the repos for Jaunty
[06:19] <landry> GammaX: when you boot check to see if there's an entry for 9.04
[06:19] <ftab> Sedated, :-) don't need a command line emmulator but a GUI tool
[06:19] <ftab> :-)
[06:19] <pcdummy> landry: good idear ... old kernel
[06:19] <zcat[1]> ardchoille:  I use simple-backup
[06:19] <GammaX> landry:  ohh im sorry for the lapse, it says all 9.10
[06:19] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: huh?
[06:20] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/325889/ .... not sure why my updates hanging like that
[06:20] <Seveas> ftab, gnome-terminal is a gui, isn't it :)
[06:20] <sharpen047> maco,  haha alright and ill restart i guess? and one problem no one has any clue about tha ti know of maybe you can see ithttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3108120.0
[06:20] <Out_Cold> ftab, use gedit and ctrl + f
[06:20] <GammaX> pcdummy: I can I guess im just affraid theres more wrong than just what I told you.
[06:20] <ftab> Out_Cold, I want to search multiple files
[06:20] <zcat[1]> !info backintime-common
[06:20] <mattcen> ftab: Depending on what sort of files you are using there are probably gui tools that will work. E.g. You could probably use Eclipse for searching for code inside files
[06:20] <Out_Cold> then i suggest multiple gedits
[06:20] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: one of my servers is behind a DSL modem.  I did not set the router to handle the no-ip address updating.
[06:20] <zcat[1]> !info simplebackup
[06:20] <landry> GammaX: try "Safe Mode?"
[06:20] <mattcen> ftab: Mostly though, the command line and Grep are your best bet
[06:21] <Cuddles> any x11vnc gurus in here?
[06:21] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: it seems that the issues are JS-related on the site, not the app itse;f
[06:21] <pcdummy> zcat[1]: and now?
[06:21] <ardchoille> ftab: You might want to see my command line tutorial, it has a section on searching: http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/08/command-line-cheatsheet.html
[06:21] <ftab> mattcen, I tried many options using grep but no luck
[06:21] <GammaX> landry: reffering to from the grub menu?
[06:21] <Seveas> grep, fgrep (for non-regex strings), strings (for binart files). What more could onw want :)
[06:21] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: I created a script that runs from cron.hourly.  It checks if there is a change in the ip and then updates accordingly.
[06:21] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: do I need no ip?
[06:21] <landry> GammaX: yes
[06:21] <agorist> Hi all, so I just installed Ubuntu. (I'm kind-of new to linux/ubuntu) what do ya'll suggest for packages to install? What do you use?
[06:21] <mattcen> ftab: What are you searching for, and what sort of files are you looking in?
[06:21] <landry> GammaX: The next line down from the default selection
[06:21] <ftab> let me send you
[06:22] <GammaX> landry: I think it said restore mode or something, Im in it now but it doesnt auto sense the touchpad or sound
[06:22] <ftab> find . | xargs grep "$settings['theme_url']=" -sl
[06:22] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: not if you no your IP address and that it isn't going to change.  if you think your IP might change then you need something to keep you updated to the changes.  that is what no-ip is all about.
[06:22] <zcat[1]> http://www.danielandrade.net/2007/11/10/10-things-to-do-just-after-installing-ubuntu-710/
[06:22] <KenBW2> agorist: what do you want to do
[06:22] <ftab> grep -H -r "displaze" ~/public_html/aftabnaveed-dsp/forum/*.php
[06:22] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, and when you install it, you get errors?\
[06:22] <zcat[1]> Ohh, wrong article
[06:22] <ftab> used that kind of patterns for searching
[06:22] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: im trying it now, seems to be working
[06:22] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: can you ssh <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:22] <landry> GammaX: have you tried live boot from the CD?
[06:22] <mattcen> ftab: What was the find command for?
[06:23] <Seveas> ftab, to speed that up slightly, use fgrep if the string you're searching for isn't a regex
[06:23] <agorist> KenBW2 - just about everything from brows the web to edit video
[06:23] <mattcen> That xargs bit probably won't work as intented because the $settings will get expanded by the shell
[06:23] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: no.  <IP_ADDRESS> is a private IP.  they can't be reached from through the web.
[06:23] <zcat[1]> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/what-applications-or-tweaks-you-prefer-after-installing-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[06:23] <agorist> KenBw2 - Most imporant: Burn ISO files (to share linux)
[06:23] <KenBW2> agorist: you have firefox installed already
[06:23] <GammaX> landry: Nope, If I do the live boot what will be the purpose ( in reguards to what will I do )
[06:23] <masterfishslayer> anyone have experience with black screen after botched shutdown
[06:23] <ftab> mattcen, I found that on google, but tried grep as well
[06:23] <masterfishslayer> 9.10 karmic
[06:24] <agorist> KenBw2: Play Video Codecs. (I've always used VLC on windows)
[06:24] <landry> GammaX: to see if your touchpad and stuff works.
[06:24] <KenBW2> agorist: burn ISOs with Applications > Brasero
[06:24] <agorist> KenBW2 - Yeah, firefox came in ubuntu
[06:24] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: thats the prob I don't know my comps net ip just the dsl ip, the local ip, and the no-ip url
[06:24] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: read about IP's and network classes.   Class A, B, C, D.
[06:24] <KenBW2> agorist: codecs can be installed with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:24] <GammaX> landry:  ahhhh ok
[06:24] <unkmar> what Ip did you give me for the dsl IP?
[06:24] <zcat[1]> masterfishslayer:  regularly ; try alt-F8 then alt-F7 again to get it back
[06:25] <landry> GammaX: ;)
[06:25] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: yea, cuz it was detected by your link you told me to wget
[06:25] <agorist> KenBW2 - You prefer Brasero? I did have a bit of a problem with it in Mint. It messed up 3 DVDs and i switched programs and the other program burned on the first try.
[06:25] <masterfishslayer> tried that... i just get the circle cursor with a black background
[06:25] <mattcen> ftab: So you're looking for 'displaze' in all forum/*.php files? If that's you're intent, that's what you're doing. Also remember that grep is case sensitive unless you use '-i'
[06:25] <Out_Cold> ShapeShifter499, if you can ssh from within your network to <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever it was, but you can't ssh your real ip addy from outside your network then it may be poor router setup with port forwarding
[06:25] <KenBW2> agorist: iv never actually used it - i use K3B
[06:25] <pcdummy> argorist: which other one?
[06:26] <ftab> mattcen, let me try -i
[06:26] <agorist> KenBW2 - Does ubuntu-restricted-extras install Flash? Or should I download form flash website, or non-free flash from synaptic
[06:26] <unkmar> ShapeShifter499: there are other websites out there that can give you that information.  dyndns.org is one of them.
[06:26] <masterfishslayer> zcat[1]: tried that... i just get the circle cursor with a black background
[06:26] <KenBW2> agorist: yes it does
[06:26] <zcat[1]> agorist:  yes it installs flash
[06:26] <sharpen047> maco, hey still there?
[06:26] <d4rkfe4r> Ive been having issues with duel screen and nvidia
[06:26] <maco> sharpen047: aye
[06:26] <ShapeShifter499> unkmar: yea I got a account with dyndns.org
[06:27] <Out_Cold> d4rkfe4r, like what?
[06:27] <agorist> KenBW2 - K3B - You like it? I'll give it a shot. zcat[1] Thanks!
[06:27] <zcat[1]> masterfishslayer:  hmmm, ctrl-alt-f8 sorry (otherwise it doesn't actually switch) .. that's how I make mine come back anyhow...
[06:27] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: IEs4Linux has installed fine. we'll see if it wipes my HDD :P
[06:27] <sharpen047> you take a look at that link i sent you about the media keys?
[06:27] <bazhang> d4rkfe4r, using xrandr ?
[06:27] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, i don't see why it would
[06:27] <d4rkfe4r> Both are my monitors are the EXACT same model and the max res for both is 1280 x 1024
[06:27] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: actually if it's not run with admin rights it can't do anything outside my user space anyway can it?
[06:28] <d4rkfe4r> But on one the max is 640 x 480
[06:28] <masterfishslayer> zcat[1]: tried alt-ctl-f1, f2, f3,f4,f5,f6,f7,f8, etc
[06:28] <Out_Cold> d4rkfe4r, have you tried the nvidia settings app?
[06:28] <d4rkfe4r> yes
[06:28] <agorist> KenBW2 is there anything better than Inkscape , or is that the best illustrator type program?
[06:28] <GammaX> landry: also the only kernel wich works is 2.6.28-13
[06:28] <zcat[1]> masterfishslayer:  well, I'm all out of ideas ;)
[06:28] <masterfishslayer> thanks
[06:28] <KenBW2> agorist: it depends what you want to do
[06:28] <Out_Cold> KenBW2, should be fine
[06:28] <d4rkfe4r> ive deleted xorg.conf and remade it
[06:28] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: yea ive never had a problem with it before
[06:29] <Out_Cold> d4rkfe4r, which driver version are you running? 180?
[06:29] <d4rkfe4r> Yeah
[06:29] <d4rkfe4r> The newest
[06:29] <KenBW2> agorist: i like Inkscape for *creating* imges, but it's not for editing photos
[06:29] <d4rkfe4r> i have a 8800 gt
[06:29] <agorist> KenBW2 - Yeah, like illustrator, not photoshopt - gotcha.
[06:29] <Out_Cold> i had tried that and was having issues and had to downgrade to 160 or 170 i think..
[06:29] <unkmar> ardchoille: that is probably the best for SVG stuff.
[06:30] <landry> GammaX: only 2.6.28-13 boots?
[06:30] <KenBW2> agorist: i'm not familiar with illustrator
[06:30] <ardchoille> agorist: ^^
[06:30] <unkmar> agorist: gimp is more the photoshop speed.
[06:30] <d4rkfe4r> Ahh, ill give that the 'ol college try
[06:30] <agorist> KenBW2: How about a good program for mounting ISO images - a gui tool?
[06:30] <Out_Cold> i have an 8600 gt i think.... i don't use the nvidia box too much
[06:30] <GammaX> landry: the others either hang or the screen continuously glitches and I can not do anything.
[06:30] <leaf-sheep> agorist: Right-click the ISO and mount it.
[06:30] <d4rkfe4r> Ahhh
[06:30] <unkmar> KenBW2: photoshop = raster/pixels.  illustrator = vectors/lines and curves.
[06:30] <agorist> KenBW2 - Illustrator is for creating 2d art/cartoon/drawing, etc.
[06:31] <Out_Cold> although ATI sucks with support, i seem to get more out of my ATIs than my nvidias
[06:31] <agorist> unkmar - yearh, gimp came with ubuntu. I like it.
[06:31] <d4rkfe4r> Hehe
[06:31] <d4rkfe4r> I hate ATI
[06:31] <KenBW2> agorist: i always use terminal commands
[06:31] <Out_Cold> but they work ;)
[06:31] <d4rkfe4r> Trye
[06:31] <d4rkfe4r> True
[06:31] <KenBW2> unkmar: thanks
[06:32] <agorist> Who makes the best OS X Doc type app?
[06:32] <ardchoille> !best | agorist
[06:32] <unkmar> agorist: you don't need to mount ISO's very often.  can usually just use the gnome archive viewer program.  I don't remember it's name.  I just doulble click from nautilus
[06:32] <keppi> GammaX: so liveboot doesn't work?
[06:32] <GammaX> landry: Also when I go to update manager it says not all updates can be installed, when I run a partial upgrade it says could not calculate the upgrade you have held broken pachages...
[06:32] <d4rkfe4r> i use "mount" to mount iso
[06:32] <d4rkfe4r> lol
[06:33] <GammaX> keppi: have no insterted the live cd yet, ive only done an online system update from 9.04 UE
[06:33] <agorist> ardchoille - thanks.
[06:33] <zcat[1]> unkmar:  fileroller.. there's also an iso mounter package somewhere
[06:34] <keppi> GammaX:  I had broken packages when I installed too.  Ended up doing a clean install and everything worked fine.
[06:34] <agorist> Let me put it this way, can anyone suggest an OS X Doc type app for me? I don't know of any, but I know they exist.
[06:34] <zcat[1]> then they're just like a dmg image in osx
[06:34] <Out_Cold> ugh.... people who upgrade then get broken systems whine too much... fresh installs are the way to go people..
[06:34] <GammaX> keppi: I realy enjoy having the ultimate edition... Runs excellent! I guess I have to do a clean isntall... :(
[06:34] <d4rkfe4r> Out_Cold, how do you suggest I downgrade?
[06:35] <GammaX> Out_Cold: Im not whining... im trying to fix the problem.
[06:35] <KenBW2> Out_Cold: i agree with you on that, but ive always wondered why *should* upgrades cause problems any more than apt-get upgrades?
[06:35] <keppi> GammaX:  try the live CD first
[06:35] <GammaX> keppi:  Roger that. Thanks ill be back to give u an update. Later
[06:36] <keppi> GammaX:  good luck
[06:36] <voss> ken, It shouldnt, but upgrades should come LATER not at the same time as new versions, upgrade versions should be bug tested and stabilized
[06:36] <agorist> I notice that there are a few ways to install flash. 1) DL from Adobe, 2) install gnash, 3) Install non-free installer form synaptic , 4) install ubuntu-restricted-extras -- Which do you prefer/suggest for a new user?
[06:36] <Out_Cold> d4rkfe4r, just remove the 180 and install >180
[06:37] <KenBW2> agorist: ubuntu-restricted-extras pulls non-free anyway so theyre the same
[06:37] <KenBW2> voss: care to rephrase that?
[06:37] <unkmar> agorist: I had best luck with the Adobe version if I remeber properly.
[06:37] <d4rkfe4r> Hehe ok
[06:38] <voss> ken, upgrade versions need to be tested more than fresh installs.
[06:39] <agorist> KenBW2 - ahh, ok. thanks, I was wondering about that. -- unkmar: really? So can I install the ubuntu-restricted-extras w/ out non-free flash ??
[06:39] <Out_Cold> if you make a good partition scheme with a separate /, /home, /boot, and so on, installing a new release takes on a real easy task...
[06:39] <KenBW2> voss: in theory, isn't a dis-upgrade the same as apt-get upgrading *all* packages? IE the same as swapping Jaunty repos with Karmic ones?
[06:39] <Out_Cold> same with aptoncd
[06:39] <deviant-route> has anyone had any problems with flash when viewing youtube videos in fullscreen? mine lags alot
[06:39] <evilGUI> Hello, does anyone in here know anything about ALSA and pulseaudio?
[06:39] <maco> evilGUI: depends what you want to know
[06:39] <evilGUI> I'm getting this bug in virtualbox http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2858
[06:39] <Out_Cold> evilGUI, i know everything and nothing
[06:40] <maco> evilGUI: and how much of my brain you expect to function at this time of night
[06:40] <keppi> deviant-route:  yeah, but my computer is really old
[06:40] <evilGUI> The guy in the thread said a workaround is to create a .asoundrc
[06:40] <deviant-route> keppi, how old?
[06:40] <keppi> deviant-route:  how did you install flash?
[06:41] <voss> ken, in theory yes
[06:41] <maco> evilGUI: oh. i know nothing about vbox audio stuff
[06:41] <keppi> deviant-route:  AMD 3800 (1.5 GHz)
[06:41] <deviant-route> keppi, ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:41] <voss> keppi, whats your motherboard?
[06:41] <evilGUI> ah, anyway I added this http://pastebin.com/m331848a1 which seems to have done nothing.
[06:42] <keppi> voss:  I have no idea.  But it's running an ATI radeon AGP card
[06:42] <evilGUI> Ubuntu has all of the pulse plugins etc out of the box correct?
[06:42] <KenBW2> voss:  so what goes wrong
[06:42] <keppi> deviant-route:  I know installing flash thru firefox installs the wrong one and is slow.
[06:43] <agorist> KenBW2: is it possible to install ubuntu-restricted-extras without installing the flash portion. PS - what do you think about Adobe's version of flash for linux. PS I'm running x64
[06:43] <antrax> hi
[06:43] <voss> Something new clashes unexpectedly with something old.
[06:43] <spO> i do patch < patchfile  and patch says it cannot find the file to patch .... but I am at the base directory ... diff --git ffmpeg-r19281/libavcodec/g729data.h ffmpeg-r19281_v181/libavcodec/g729data.h   .... i am at the base whereas if i did cd ffmpeg-r19281  i would go into that directory. I don't undrestand why patch doesn't work right
[06:43] <deviant-route> keppi, really? i did not know that
[06:43] <antrax> someone know how i can read a memory address?
[06:43] <KenBW2> agorist: ive never had a problem with the Flash from the URE package
[06:44] <keppi> deviant-route:  I tried that method before doing the restricted extras
[06:44] <voss> The adobe flash plug in for linux installs easily and works fine
[06:44] <KenBW2> agorist: flashplugin-non-free *is* from Adobe you know
[06:44] <deviant-route> keppi, what method worked best for you
[06:45] <voss> I install mine from the adobe website
[06:45] <keppi> deviant-route:  the restricted extras.  in the others I had problems running flash in a window
[06:45] <deviant-route> voss, whats your system specs
[06:45] <agorist> KenBW2: Oh, ok. So is the same as the Adobe version on their website? Will URE automatically instally the x64 version?
[06:45] <KenBW2> voss: any reason?
[06:45] <KenBW2> agorist: i dont know about x64
[06:45] <voss> I have a dual core laptop and an nvidia 8200 chipset
[06:45] <KenBW2> agorist: assumedly, but i'd check
[06:46] <keppi> voss:  dang, I'll trade ya
[06:46] <alfa119> hey I am having issues with upgrading to 9.1 from 9.04 : install has stalled out at: rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused, any ideas?
[06:46] <antrax> someone know about programing in C
[06:46] <antrax> ???
[06:46] <McLovin> by default the download from adobe website only downloads thex86 32bit
[06:46] <agorist> Does anyone know if ubunt-restricted-extras installs x64 version of codecs ??
[06:46] <voss> keppi, My laptop cost less than $500
[06:47] <keppi> voss:  where at?
[06:47] <voss> keppi newegg
[06:47] <keppi> voss:  I'll have to start saving ;)
[06:47] <deviant-route> voss, i guest if your not runnig a system with dual core and a good graphic card flash wont work properly
[06:48] <totally_lost_use> I've been having an issue with the last two releases of Ubuntu, every once in a while when I copy a file to a folder the contents of that folder don't load unless I re-boot my computer at which time they appear again as they should. Any ideas? Any associated bug report?
[06:48] <zilla1> I just installed 9.04, loading for the first time, and it is taking *forever*. On decent (c. 2002-current) hardware. I'm on a Mobo that requires special drivers for the SATA drive. It took a long time to load into grub, and when it did, it got to the "Boot from... ", and its now just sitting. Not sure if it will boot actually. Google didn't bring me this exact problem. Anything sound familiar?
[06:48] <keppi> deviant-route:  do you have graphics acceleration?:
[06:48] <unkmar> when will my hibernate be restored?  Doesn't work in my current version.
[06:48] <deviant-route> keppi, nope
[06:49] <alfa119> hey I am having issues with upgrading to 9.1 from 9.04 : install has stalled out at: rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused, any ideas?\
[06:49] <deviant-route> keppi, it only lags when i'm watching videos online in fullscreen
[06:49] <McLovin> agorist, medibuntu repos has them
[06:51] <unkmar> I am running 9.04 when will I get my hibernate back?
[06:51] <voss> alfa119, <IP_ADDRESS> is a loopback address
[06:51] <maco> unkmar: cant really say. its not like it breaks on all hardware at once
[06:51] <maco> unkmar: are you saying it used to work?
[06:51] <keppi> deviant-route:  on HD videos or all?
[06:52] <unkmar> it worked under, fluxbuntu 7.10
[06:52] <gOLDfeesh> is there a place in the system that caches packages? I'm trying to update my limewire but it keeps saying I'm downloading 5.2
[06:52] <voss> alfa, you might need to set the ip address to that of the download server
[06:52] <deviant-route> keppi, on all
[06:52] <unkmar> gOLDfeesh: yes, there is.
[06:52] <maco> gOLDfeesh: all packages are downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:52] <unkmar> gOLDfeesh: you can remove and then purge.
[06:52] <gOLDfeesh> unkmar, how would I do that
[06:52] <keppi> deviant-route:  what kind of processor?
[06:53] <maco> gOLDfeesh: if your actual question is "why is it grabbing this old version?" run "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-cache policy limewire" to see what versions are available in your repositories
[06:53] <voss> keppi, are you using a desktop?
[06:53] <unkmar> well, maco also told you the location,  you could simply remove the limewire files.
[06:53] <zilla1> Huh, it booted up no problem in recovery mode. Odd, but I'm investigating.
[06:53] <keppi> voss:  yes
[06:53] <voss> what type of video card pci-e?
[06:54] <keppi> voss:  AGP
[06:54] <agorist> McLovin - thanks, so medibuntu repository has ubuntu restricted extras from x64 ?? Is that whay you're saying...jus makin sure i follow
[06:54] <keppi> voss:  Radeon 7000 series
[06:54] <maco> unkmar: any idea on which release it broke? you're going to need to narrow it down a LOT to find what broke it. there've been...10 kernel versions since 7.10
[06:54] <McLovin> agorist, yep
[06:55] <deviant-route> keppi, intel centrino 1.70 GHz
[06:55] <maco> unkmar: start with figuringout if it was 8.04, 8.10, or 9.04 that first failed
[06:55] <totally_lost_use> No one can point me to any info on folders not showing contents after a file transfer? It has happened enough to me on several computers and versions that I thought it was a common problem.
[06:55] <spO>  i do patch < patchfile  and patch says it cannot find the file to patch .... but I am at the base directory ... diff --git ffmpeg-r19281/libavcodec/g729data.h ffmpeg-r19281_v181/libavcodec/g729data.h   .... i am at the base whereas if i did cd ffmpeg-r19281  i would go into that directory. I don't undrestand why patch doesn't work right
[06:55] <maco> spO: perhaps wrong patch level?
[06:55] <McLovin> agorist, it has them for x64 I just did the update 2 days ago off medibuntu
[06:55] <maco> spO: -p0?
[06:55] <keppi> deviant-route:  hey, we're on the same boat.
[06:56] <unkmar> maco: I ran 7.10 until the repository moved. Then i broke my 7.10. so I was left with 2 options.  8.04 or 9.04.  I was not going to do the 8.10.  So, I have 9.04.  I can tell you what my system is.
[06:56] <spO> maco, why do i need -p0 if i am at the base?  --git ffmpeg-r19281/libavcodec/g729data.h   < -- you see that.. there is no / at the very front
[06:56] <unkmar> maco: Dell Inspiron 8200.
[06:56] <agorist> McLovin - how do I add medibuntu repository -- so you suggest the package sfrom medibuntu? Everything is working for ya?
[06:56] <deviant-route> keppi,ha what brand laptop you using?
[06:56] <maco> unkmar: the only way to find out what caused it to break is to figure out when it broke, then narrow down further from there til you find the exact kernel commit that did it
[06:56] <Trenton> I just installed ubuntu 9.10 and I cant manage to install anything in the software manager
[06:56] <McLovin> agorist, just a min ill get a link
[06:57] <maco> spO: because im pretty sure -p1 is default
[06:57] <agorist> McLovin - thanks
[06:57] <keppi> deviant-route:  mine's a desktop.  Athlon 3800 I recently upgraded the chip from a duron processor :)
[06:57] <Trenton> The Install button is not clickable.
[06:57] <McLovin> agorist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[06:57] <deviant-route> keppi, nice
[06:57] <spO> thanks maco
[06:58] <McLovin> agorist, this is the package info. w64codecs
[06:58] <McLovin> Proprietary codec binaries, x86_64 version.
[06:58] <voss> keppi, what socket?
[06:58] <keppi> deviant-route:  it runs a lot smoother in XP
[06:58] <unkmar> wow, I just did an update and upgrade and.. wow, I've been lagging.
[06:59] <Trenton> I just installed ubuntu 9.10 and I cant manage to install anything in the software manager
[06:59] <Trenton> The Install button is not clickable.
[06:59] <keppi> voss:  hold on...  I'll check
[06:59] <deviant-route> keppi, have you tested it with windows 7?
[07:00] <keppi> deviant-route:  no, I haven't put this box on win7
[07:00] <d4rkfe4r> damn it
[07:00] <d4rkfe4r> im still having issues with my monitor
[07:01] <keppi> socket 462 SiS 730 motherboard.  My bad...  It's a Athlon 1800 not 3800
[07:01] <deviant-route> keppi, my lappy is a toshiba satalite m40/m45 series it ran poorly on xp, but blazing fast with ubuntu
[07:01] <maco> d4rkfe4r: language
[07:01] <d4rkfe4r> sorry
[07:02] <Blue1> how do I dismount an msdos device? sudo -f /umount /dev/<device> doesn't work?
[07:02] <Blue1> no / in front of umount of course
[07:03] <agorist> McLovin - I added the medibuntu repository...so I should install w64codecs ?? Is that the same as restricted extras?
[07:03] <mcurran> umount /dev/fd0
[07:03] <keppi> deviant-route:  ubuntu 9.10 runs slower on my box then XP.  Dunno why.
[07:03] <McLovin> agorist, yes
[07:03] <Sahkolihaa> Would anyone know why, when starting the system monitor, it and dbus-daemon start using high CPU usage? I'm on Xubuntu 9.10 (tried #xubuntu but didn't get any help there)
[07:04] <Blue1> mcurran: not a floppy -- usb device iow sudo umount /dev/sdb2 says device busy --- I did a sync before the umount....
[07:04] <keppi> deviant-route:  I can even run youtube full screen and it's not as laggy.
[07:04] <Danny> Ok I am having a problem chosing from between ubuntu and mint
[07:04] <deviant-route> keppi, the default install or with the compiz eyecandy?
[07:05] <zaoul1> Hi, where is the definitive location where TERM is set? Globally. Here is the thing also, /etc/profile iirc would be the spot but that is reading /etc/bash.bashrc, and I am using zsh not bash, there is also a code to read /etc/profile.d/* but the only file in there is gvfs-bash-completion.sh, so once again where is TERM being set at? Its not in my ~/.zshrc
[07:05] <zaoul1> I just hate redundant settings
[07:05] <voss> keppi, time to get a new motherboard! :) That stuff is ancient :)
[07:06] <unkmar> zaoul1: grep TERM /etc/* -r     Just a suggestion.
[07:06] <ZykoticK9> Anyone have a solution to crappy/cracking sound in karmic with games?  quake4/doom3?
[07:06] <keppi> hello?
[07:06] <keppi> laggggg...
[07:06] <voss> keppi, youtube is flash
[07:06] <keppi> voss:  yeah...  But it works.  It's just a test box anyways.
[07:07] <ayman> need to help for convert avi to rmvb  pleas
[07:07] <Sahkolihaa> No one knows then? :/
[07:07] <ayman> help pleas
[07:07] <voss> keppi a linux box doesnt need to be pricy, a $50 motherboard will have an nvidia 8200 chipset which will run most video just fine.
[07:07] <unkmar> Sahkolihaa: I don't even know what you have asked.
[07:08] <Sahkolihaa> Repeat: Would anyone know why, when starting the system monitor, it and dbus-daemon start using high CPU usage? I'm on Xubuntu 9.10 (tried #xubuntu but didn't get any help there)
[07:08] <deviant-route> keppi, i'm still on jaunty because i dont see i reason to upgrade to karmic right now
[07:08] <unkmar> Sahkolihaa: oh, no, I don't know.
[07:08] <ayman> any body help me
[07:08] <Sahkolihaa> I'm probably going to have to file a bug. *sigh*
[07:08] <keppi> deviant-route:  my box broke when i upgraded to Karmic
[07:08] <agorist> McLovin - ubuntuguide.org says that Restricted Extras installs Flash, Java, Firefox Plugins, Microsoft Fonts, mp3 encoding, FFMpeg, Gstreamer extras, etc, and w32 or w64codecs. What I want to do is make SURE that i get the 64 bit codecs/extras/plugins. Do you know a way I can do this?
[07:09] <keppi> deviant-route:  I had to do a clean install
[07:09] <voss> deviant, karmic doesnt have any really compelling upgrades
[07:09] <agorist> McLovin - I mean, do you know how I can be sure I'm getting 64 bit codecs and plugins?
[07:09] <voss> If openoffice 3.1  and firefox 3.5 were backported to jaunty I wouldnt even bother
[07:10] <agorist> McLovin - maybe I should just install these extras individually, eh? What do you think?
[07:10] <ayman> how to convert avi to rmvb on ubuntu karmic koala
[07:10] <deviant-route> keppi, ive never tried to do a upgrade before. I alway do a clean install
[07:10] <deviant-route> voss, me too
[07:11] <draconis> agorist, I can't recall, but I think Flash in the repositories is still Flash 9, you have to install Flash 10 for amd64 manually
[07:11] <unkmar> my last upgrade forced a clean install.  I managed to keep my /home.
[07:11] <voss> deviant, I use karmic on my desktop and it works okay. I use mint 7 on my laptop, thats based on jaunty\
[07:11] <agorist> draconis -- ok, thanks. that makes a difference. I will download them from Adobe then.
[07:11] <RPG_Master> Hi, I am trying to install the drivers for my buddy's Everex stepnote, and it involves installing some drivers that aren't in the repos. I think its the closed source 3d drivers that are supposed to go along with the openchrome 2d drivers... So would anyone know if there is a repo I can add to synaptic and if not can anyone help me install it manually?
[07:11] <keppi> I upgraded from gusty through jaunty with no problems
[07:11] <zaoul1> I gues I could put a /etc/profile.d/term.sh, with TERM=xterm-colors256
[07:11] <zaoul1> ...ugh this is like going to the community college for a hair cut
[07:12] <draconis> agorist, don't even bother with w64codecs until you run into something that needs it. I haven't seen any file that required it
[07:12] <murcherson> Sahkolihaa: I know there was an issue with the value updates returning falsely high numbers
[07:12] <tmade> hello, i´m using kubuntu 9.10 and i can´t get my proxy working - i´ve configured it within "system settings" on kde . any hints?
[07:12] <voss> keppi, because your machine is really old. really old machines have very stable drivers
[07:12] <deviant-route> voss, i've never tried mint before, but i have heard good reviews about it
[07:12] <keppi> voss:  :> see, something good of it
[07:12] <arand_> agorist: make sure to get the one from adobe labs, putting it into ~/.mozilla/plugins .
[07:12] <Sahkolihaa> murcherson: I'm about to check launchpad anyway and file a bug if I don't already see it there.
[07:12] <McLovin> agorist, well the x64 package from medibuntu covers just about everything and there is also the non-free-codecs package. you will have to forgive me as im getting a little bit lost now s to what you are exactly looking to do as those 2 package cover everyyhing
[07:13] <keppi> i tried mint for a little bit
[07:13] <vega-> where is upstart documentation?
[07:13] <voss> deviant, linux mint is ubuntu with fixes and enhancements and cleaned up.
[07:13] <ayman> pleas any body help me here
[07:13] <vega-> !ask | ayman
[07:14] <ayman> how to convert avi to rmvb
[07:14] <mcurran> Mint has more codecs and more apps out-of-the-box also
[07:14] <mcurran> looks cooler
[07:14] <RPG_Master> so, no one knows?
[07:14] <deviant-route> voss, you mean a more clean look?
[07:14] <mcurran> and is just better overall
[07:14] <Blue1> ayman: no idea never heard of rmvb
[07:15] <agorist> McLovin - I just don't want to install two packages that conflict if they both contain the same codecs/plugins
[07:15] <keppi> mint reminds me of gOS for some reason
[07:15] <voss> deviant, its update method is more informative, it tells you how risky an update is on a 1-5 scale
[07:15] <ayman> what you donot know rmvb
[07:15] <vega-> ayman: use google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=626551
[07:15] <murcherson> tmade: have you tried to config it with your browser direct
[07:15] <deviant-route> voss, ok
[07:15] <vega-> ayman: ayman rmvb is proprietary closed crap, don't think you will find any linux utils easily
[07:16]  * unkmar tosses his cookies.
[07:16] <sharpen047> anyone know how to make an ad-hoc network in karmic? guides arent working so far...
[07:16] <agorist> arand - I put this ~/.mozilla/plugin in terminal and it said /home/USERNAME/.mozilla/plugins: No such file or directory
[07:16] <Leoneof`> hi
[07:16] <ayman> why sir
[07:16] <vega-> what do you mean why?
[07:16] <deviant-route> keppi, what do you think about the google chromium os?
[07:16] <tmade> murcherson: no i haven´t.. it doesn´t work if i configure it global?
[07:16] <Meowpup> re are we
[07:16] <Sahkolihaa> Great, now Xfce isn't accepting Chrome as my default browser even though it's set. \o/
[07:16] <McLovin> agorist, i understand what ur saying. if that is the case just install the codecs as you need them. thats probally your best bet because now that you mention it im having a bit of a clashing problem with a few codecs
[07:16] <Meowpup> linux mint 8 was it
[07:16] <unkmar> sharpen047: if I could, it would be cli based.
[07:16] <agorist> McLovin - Ok
[07:17] <Guest84935> I just burned a ubuntu cd and i am ready to install it but before i do i have a question
[07:17] <voss> Also it has the start bar on the bottom and its a bit better organized
[07:17] <murcherson> tmade: I was wondering if that was the problem. Start with browser and configure it and see if that works
[07:17] <Blue1> go guest
[07:17] <keppi> deviant-route:  looks like it'd work good as a kiosk os.  Haven't tried it though
[07:17] <Guest84935> will i be given the option to not install grub
[07:17] <mcurran> how do you switch server from this bar
[07:17] <Leoneof`> suppose someone dont have internet connection, then how to install programs without connection? Ubuntu used internet mostly :|
[07:17] <mcurran> "/server"
[07:17] <voss> meowpup, linux mint 8 has not been released yet
[07:18] <mcurran> rc1 has
[07:18] <maco> !aptoncd | Leoneof`
[07:18] <tmade> murcherson: i read some threads on google concerning proxy seetings and problems on kde4...but those are 1 years old and now it should work!?
[07:18] <arand_> agorist: you download the libflashplugin.so file from adobe labs, and put it in that folder (create the plugins folder if it doesn't exist), make sure not to have any other flash/gnash/sfwdec installed and then restart firefox and it should run properly on 64bit flash
[07:18] <Blue1> Guest84935: no I think it will install grub by default - what is your fear of grub?
[07:18] <maco> Leoneof`: there are also companies out there selling DVD sets of the repositories
[07:18] <tmade> murcherson: i´ll try
[07:18] <mcurran> I'm running Helena RC1 with 2.6.31-15-generic kernel
[07:18] <mcurran> works pissa
[07:18] <Meowpup> voss: the rc has
[07:18] <voss> mcurran, how well does it work?
[07:18] <Guest84935> I would much prefer to boot froma floppy
[07:18] <McLovin> agorist, at first i was under the impression that you just needed them all and you would of sorted it out laster. my bad. but there is a good thing about adding medibuntu to the list. there is a hot babe stripper cpu temp gauage on there lol
[07:18] <d4rkfe4r> LOL
[07:19] <d4rkfe4r> Boot from floppy
[07:19] <mcurran> It seems faster than karmic RC1, but it could be m
[07:19] <mcurran> e
[07:19] <mcurran> anyone know how to switch servers from here
[07:19] <Blue1> Guest84935: I guess you could do that - but it will install grub by default --
[07:19] <voss> mcurran, mint rc1 has nothing to do with karmic rc1. mint rc1 is actually karmic plus 3 weeks
[07:19] <anonmatir> mcurran: what kind of servers ?
[07:19] <murcherson> tmade: start at the beginning and open network tools and see if you can make contact, then take it from there would be my suggestion
[07:20] <anonmatir> i am leaving on a jet plane..
[07:20] <Guest84935> ok then if there is no choice to boot from floppy or usb during the install. Is my old mbr backed up so i can restore it after the first boot?
[07:20] <tmade> murcherson: i tried to configure it in konqueror and it leads me to the same menu (system settings).other browser isn´t installed yet
[07:21] <Blue1> Guest84935: who said you can't boot from the cd?
[07:21] <keppi> Guest84935:  can't you boot from CD?
[07:21] <deviant-route> keppi, what file system would you recommend for /boot
[07:21] <Leoneof`> maco: oh i didn't know, thank you :)
[07:21] <wgrant> Guest84935: You can elect to not install GRUB (using the Advanced button at the end of the installer).
[07:21] <somename> yesi can
[07:21] <sharpen047> anyone know how to make an ad-hoc network in karmic? guides arent working so far...
[07:21] <wgrant> somename: However, your fear of installing GRUB is very probably irrational.
[07:21] <somename> but i mean boot the system after install not the install process itself
[07:21] <keppi> somename:  why not boot from CD then?
[07:21] <somename> for everyday use
[07:21] <voss> grub is an example of bad linux marketing.
[07:21] <tmade> murcherson: how to open network tools? i´m new on kubuntu
[07:21] <mcurran> i want to connect to a new irc server from here, so would I type for instance /server irc.spotchat.org or something else
[07:22] <Blue1> mcurran: that would work yes...
[07:22] <tmade> murcherson: where is the setup saved in(file)?
[07:22] <murcherson> tmade: System->Administration->Network tools
[07:22] <keppi> wgrant:  yeah but if you don't install GRUB then you'll need something like lilo to boot
[07:22] <anonmatir> mcurran: generallt /server .. wil do .. do u want to connect to a different network .. and what is ur client?
[07:23] <RPG_Master> anyone here know about openchrome?
[07:23] <CodeBlock> if I grab mini.iso, and don't select command-line install (just regular install), is that basically a full netinstall (regular ubuntu, with X11 and all?)
[07:23] <maco> mcurran: /server will disconnect you from this one and connect you to the new one
[07:23] <RPG_Master> And if its able to do 3d?
[07:23] <maco> mcurran: /connect if you want to be connected to both at once
[07:23] <mcurran> it says unknown command
[07:23] <maco> CodeBlock: yes
[07:23] <keppi> RPG_Master:  chrome os?
[07:23] <CodeBlock> maco: alrighty, thanks :)
[07:23] <voss> I think the only worse name if you had a windows bootloader called WORM :(
[07:23] <tmade> murcherson: inside "system" there´s no "administration". or do you talk about knetworkmanager? if yes...doesn´t work
[07:24] <anonmatir> mcurran: client?
[07:24] <maco> voss: well its GRand Unified Bootloader
[07:24] <RPG_Master> keppi: nope, and FOSS GPU driver
[07:24] <RPG_Master> *a
[07:24] <mcurran> well I'm using pidgin right now instead of xchat, so maybe that's why my commands aren't working
[07:24] <maco> tmade: murcherson is assuming gnome since youre here not in #kubuntu
[07:24] <voss> maco, GRUB sounds like something infects meat
[07:24] <maco> mcurran: oh yeah pidgin lacks a few of the / commands
[07:25] <keppi> RPG_Master:  ah...
[07:25] <mcurran> I want to try to connect to the linuxmint-chat channel on irc.spotchat.org i believe
[07:25] <maco> voss: meat? i thought grubs were in the lawn
[07:25] <tmade> maco: ah..thanks.
[07:25] <McLovin> voss, well GRUB is better than mutt
[07:25] <deviant-route> keppi, did you see my last msg?
[07:25] <ZykoticK9> somename, installing grub2 to a floppy seems a little crazy to me personally, but there does seem to be others that wanted to do the same as you, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305475
[07:25] <McLovin> voss, i mean with the name
[07:25] <voss> maco, It just doesnt sound like something id want in my computer even though I already do
[07:26] <tmade> maco: there´s a big differnce between ubuntu and kubunto except the desktopmanager?
[07:26] <maco> tmade: all the default applications are different
[07:26] <keppi> deviant-route:  sorry, missed it...  file system?  ext3?
[07:26] <maco> tmade: the menus are different
[07:26] <voss> Why not just call it UBL (unified bootLoader)
[07:26] <vega-> tmade: base is identical
[07:26] <maco> tmade: pretty much the entire graphical interface is different
[07:26] <maco> tmade: only the command line is the same
[07:26] <flo__> hello
[07:26] <mcurran> How would you change the server in pidgin then, because ubuntu came up automatically
[07:27] <tmade> maco: vega- anyway should be a big deal to get proxy working!?
[07:27] <voss> or uniboot
[07:27] <deviant-route> keppi, someone recommeded me to use ext2 for /boot
[07:27] <maco> mcurran: you add it as another acount
[07:27] <tmade> shouldn´t
[07:27] <Spixx> mcurran: you can add more by adding another "instance" of irc in "account > manage account"
[07:27] <voss> oh well nite
[07:27] <somename> Is there any options at all about the bootloader during the install proccess? I would be happy to not have any bootloader installed and then I could make a lillo floppy mfself
[07:27] <mcurran> nevermind
[07:27] <somename> done it a few times years ago
[07:27] <kid-kurupt> anyone know how to force jaunty *.deb packages in karmic (keep getting that later version is installed)
[07:27] <maco> tmade: system settings -> network settings -> proxy
[07:27] <deviant-route> gnite foss
[07:27] <keppi> deviant-route:  I've always used ext3.  There's ext4 now
[07:27] <Spixx> somename: last thing before installation you can choose
[07:28] <bidossessi> yeah, an advice. i intend to mutliboot 3 OSes. how big should my /boot be?
[07:28] <tmade> maco:  i alread set it there..but it doesn´t work
[07:28] <somename> cool thanks
[07:28] <maco> tmade: oh. log out & in?
[07:28] <tmade> maco: i did
[07:28] <kid-kurupt> anyone know how to install jaunty *.deb packages in karmic? (keep getting that later version is installed)
[07:28] <maco> tmade: boo i wonder if you found a bug then
[07:28] <anonmatir> kid-kurupt: should have something  to do with ur allowed software sources.. u should get it in adminstration under system
[07:28] <wgrant> kid-kurupt: Why?
[07:28] <agorist> arand_ in x64 ubuntu does the synaptic package manager automatically give you x64 packages?
[07:28] <Spixx> somename: that is "advanced" or similar little button on the summary screen right before the install starts
[07:28] <maco> kid-kurupt: you want to downgrade?
[07:29] <maco> agorist: yes
[07:29] <Spixx> mcurran: does it work :D?
[07:29] <UbuntoJO> what IRC clients can someone recommend?
[07:29] <anonmatir> many UbuntoJO
[07:29] <maco> UbuntoJO: i use quassel, but for gnome i like xchat-gnome
[07:29] <tmade> maco: do you know in which file the setup ist saved in?
[07:29] <somename> ok i will install in advanced mode
[07:29] <maco> UbuntoJO: or for command line, i like irssi
[07:29] <deviant-route> keppi, usally ise ext4 for /boot, but since ive been using ext2 my system boot alot slower
[07:29] <kid-kurupt> maco, wgrant: not to downgrade, my ati packages seem to have a bug with suspend mode on my laptop, forums recommends downgrading those 2 packages and locking the version in synaptic
[07:30] <Blue1> UbuntoJO: irssi or xchat
[07:30] <UbuntoJO> I'm using Xubuntu 9.10
[07:30] <anonmatir> UbuntoJO: u need text or command line and windows or linix?
[07:30] <anonmatir> irssi or xchat
[07:30] <McLovin> UbuntoJO, XChat
[07:30] <ZykoticK9> UbuntoJO, i'd strongly recommend against xchat-gnome -- "xchat" is what i use but avoid the xchat-gnome!
[07:30] <maco> UbuntoJO: ok so if you want gtk stuff...again...xchat-gnome is my preference
[07:30] <agorist> maco - thanks, because  there is no mention of x64 in the packages for flash. so i was worried ;-) last time I installed flash on a 64 bit ubuntu it didn't work very well, the video had tearing. Never got it figured out, and I thought it may have been a 32 bit plugin in a 64 bit firefox/ubuntu.
[07:30] <UbuntoJO> thanks...I'll check out irssi...using xchat now....haven't really looked at them
[07:31] <maco> ZykoticK9: aw xchat-gnome has a much easier configuration window
[07:31] <deviant-route> UbuntuJO, i would recommend irssi
[07:31] <anonmatir> i recomend against the default xchan-gnome on jaunty
[07:31] <keppi> deviant-route:  ext2 has more limitations.  I think it's more prone to fragmentation as well.  You can defrag the ext2 system to see if it will boot faster