 I actually mis-spelled it :(
[07:40] <Kilos> rev the fb page a bit so  peeps can wake up
[07:40] <philipballew> Kilos, hey buddy
[07:40] <Kilos> hehe R0ok_ np
[07:40] <Kilos> im a bud
[07:40] <Kilos> too old to be a buddy
[07:40] <R0ok_> ha!
[07:41] <R0ok_> ever wondered what 1 TB of RAM looks like ? -> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9M33n3fA6_A/VrBQnnp5ElI/AAAAAAAAIko/v5HTT44n97Y/s780-no/1tbram.png
[07:42] <R0ok_> With that much RAM, I wonder if you can even achieve RAM speeds of over 800MHz
[07:42] <Kilos> wow
[09:59] <d3r1ck> hey everyone
[10:00] <elacheche> Hey Guys! I have a question! Do you know any website where can I get CC or CopyLeft licensed posters to hack and use for events! Look at this → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/Artwork#Ubuntu-TN_ArtWorks Before we had some artists in the LoCo, that create posters for us, now they are gone.. And I'm not able to create something better than ASCII art posters x( so I should find a base to use and hack for the events posters..
[10:09] <CraigZim> not much on the net
[10:09] <elacheche> Only this http://spreadubuntu.org/
[10:10] <elacheche> But no one is still sing it.. so many artworks are old.. and useless :;/
[10:10] <CraigZim> https://www.google.com/search?q=creative+commons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4hqSD69jKAhUC0xQKHaAIAu0Q_AUIBygB&biw=1138&bih=516
[10:12] <CraigZim> elacheche:  what posters are you looking for
[10:12] <CraigZim> Ubuntu?
[10:14] <CraigZim> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/get-materials/poster
[10:16] <elacheche> CraigZim, just am looking for materials to use when I need to :)
[11:27] <Padroni> hi all
[11:28] <Kilos> o/
[13:18] <elacheche> There is an APPROVED Open Source School in France o_O → http://opensourceschool.fr/
[18:12] <Kilos> hi Na3iL hows things lad?
[18:13] <Na3iL> Hey Kilos fine thanks what about you?
[18:13] <Kilos> good ty
[18:14] <Kilos> chesedo hows the twitter  thing going
[18:27] <chesedo> Kilos: you can find it at https://twitter.com/pieter2627/status/692435631511838720
[18:27] <Kilos> lemme see
[18:29] <Kilos> good man
[18:30] <chesedo> might have done it a bit late as not everyone here got the link
[18:32] <Kilos> ah
[18:37] <chesedo> at least it seems to have generated 4 click to the website
[18:37] <chesedo> s/click/clicks/
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <Kilos> every click counds
[18:38] <Kilos> counts
[18:38] <chesedo> lol
[18:38] <Kilos> when i started this channel was months with 3 or 4 of us
[18:39] <chesedo> oh ok
[18:39] <Kilos> i had to actually join some locos mailing lists to be able to even contact them
[18:39] <inetpro> one click was me
[18:39] <Kilos> haha
[18:39] <chesedo> anyway night africa
[18:39] <chesedo> ag nee man
[18:40] <Kilos> he is getting old inetpro
[18:40] <inetpro> :-)
[18:40] <Kilos> lekker slaap chesedo
[18:40] <chesedo> who me Kilos?
[18:40] <Kilos> oh
[18:40] <Kilos> you said night
[18:41] <Kilos> before me even so who is old
[19:19] <Kilos> sleep tight africa


[07:41] <dholbach> hiya
[07:42] <dholbach> I just noticed a bunch of core people k-lined in #snappy
[07:42] <dholbach> anyone knows why?
[07:44] <Flannel> Looks like irccloud was k-lined.
[07:44] <dholbach> oh
[07:55] <Fuchs> it was a misfire
[07:55] <Fuchs> happens, got fixed.
[07:58] <Tm_T> Fuchs: autumn cleaning, I like


[03:36] <Anom01y> hi, I am having a problem where Xubuntu crashes, but I can still use the mouse
[03:37] <Anom01y> the mouse arrow still moves around the screen, but the menu's icons, ctrl-alt-f1, alt-f2, and everything else doesn't work
[03:37] <Anom01y> the only way to fix this is to unplug the power cord because the power button at the front doesn't even work
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> Anom01y:  if you hold the power button in for five secs the comp will shutdown
[11:51] <FusionX> Can anyone help me with this --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1577543 I've been trying to get help for days but i've got no help yet. Help Me plz i'm stuck!
[11:53] <Sysi> "don't use wubi"
[11:59] <FusionX> :/
[11:59] <FusionX> i use wubi on my desktop and a dedicated partition on my laptop for ubuntu
[12:25] <knome> FusionX, did you test the live cd as i suggested?
[12:25] <FusionX> yes worked fine
[12:25] <FusionX> but it was a little slow
[12:25] <knome> FusionX, "don't use wubi"
[12:26] <FusionX> " i use wubi on my desktop and a dedicated partition on my laptop for ubuntu"
[12:26] <FusionX> i can't partition my C: drive
[12:26] <knome> FusionX, yes, but the fix for your problem is not using wubi
[12:27] <FusionX> knome: the problem is that i have a 4 GB pendrive in which i can install xubuntu but my BIOS is old and doesn't support booting with USB
[12:27] <FusionX> and i don't want to partition my C: drive
[12:28] <FusionX> there should be a solution i think
[12:28] <knome> FusionX, if it's important and you necessarily do not want to partition you HD, you can create a grub cd which can load usb drivers and then boot with your usb stick
[12:28] <knome> there is no tutorial for that afaik, but that's doable
[12:29] <FusionX> doable?
[12:29] <knome> "you can do it"
[12:29] <FusionX> im a linux newbie so i might mess up the hard disk
[12:29] <Sysi> i'd rather cut partition to xubuntu than do that
[12:29] <FusionX> like last time when i tried installing ubuntu on my laptop i messed up the windows bootloader
[12:30] <knome> me too, it's not nice to boot a cd to be able to boot a usb stick
[12:30] <FusionX> knome : will it affect the performance?
[12:30] <knome> FusionX, no, the os is still run from the usb disk
[12:31] <knome> FusionX, the grub cd is there only to load the usb drivers so you can "boot" from usb even if you bios did not support that
[12:31] <knome> *your
[12:31] <FusionX> ik but loading the drivers from a "cd" could affect the performance. i'm not sure tho ?_?
[12:32] <FusionX> knome if there's any tutorial for how to do it can u plz link it to me?
[12:32] <knome> maybe a bit, and the boot would be slower, yes
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, as i said, there is no tutorial for that afaik
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, and it's not for "newbies" either
[12:32] <FusionX> :[
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, you will have to know what you are doing
[12:32] <knome> FusionX, those are your options.
[12:33] <FusionX> i may give it a try though, i'm not so much of a noob
[12:33] <knome> them you might as well repartition the drive, really
[12:34] <knome> that is the best and suggested and should be the preferred way
[12:34] <FusionX> knome : but currently as a solution it will help but there should be a solution to fix the error with wubi
[12:34] <knome> there is masses of  tutorials for HD repartitioning
[12:34] <knome> FusionX, file a bug and wait N days.
[12:35] <FusionX> ok
[12:35] <FusionX> thanks alot knome!
[12:35] <knome> FusionX, np. good luck.
[12:42] <jrmy> im confused why menu editor is installed when it says "an implementaion of the freedesktop specification for gnome"
[12:43] <jrmy> i have xubuntu
[12:45] <jrmy> !pure xubuntu
[12:46] <jrmy> !purexubuntu
[12:46] <Sysi> xubuntu menu is freedesktop compatible
[12:46] <Sysi> (/msg ubottu purexfce)
[12:47] <jrmy> so is it suppose to come with xfce?
[12:47] <jrmy> or whatever xubuntu is suppose to be
[12:47] <jrmy> !purexfce
[12:49] <jrmy> ok so i guess its suppose to be there
[12:49] <jrmy> im just confused about it
[12:52] <jrmy> does xfce still rely on gnome?
[12:53] <Sysi> what do you mean?
[12:53] <jrmy> why does it have a gnome system monitor?
[12:53] <Sysi> xfce devs think it's cool?
[12:53] <Sysi> *xubuntu
[12:53] <Sysi> not xfce
[12:53]  * jrmy is so confused
[12:54] <jrmy> right when i think ive figured it out i realized i havent
[12:54] <Sysi> xubuntu developers decide what programs come with xubuntu, some of them have gnome dependencies
[12:54] <Sysi> xfce programs shouldn't have
[12:55] <jrmy> ok
[12:55] <Sysi> xfce is xfce4+xfce4-goodies, xubuntu-desktop is more
[12:57] <jrmy> well i just wanted something light weight seeing as my laptop has low mem
[12:57] <Sysi> how much?
[12:57] <jrmy> 256MB + 128MB
[12:57] <jrmy> i wonder if the memory is good
[12:57] <jrmy> i havent tested them yet
[12:58] <jrmy> hope not
[12:58] <Sysi> that "minimal xubuntu" might run ok
[12:58] <Sysi> if you don't have chromium with hundred tabs
[12:59] <jrmy> wait that slows it down :O
[12:59] <jrmy> lol jk
[12:59] <jrmy> what is chromium btw ive only used fire fox
[13:01] <Sysi> browser
[13:01] <jrmy> that would be obvious
[13:01] <jrmy> what makes it chromium
[13:01] <Sysi> !chromium
[13:02] <Sysi> !info chromium
[13:02] <Sysi> !info chromium-browser
[13:06] <jrmy> whats the difference with google chrome?
[13:06] <jrmy> is chromium just as fast?
[13:07] <Sysi> open source
[13:08] <jrmy> would you recommend it over firefox?
[13:09] <knome> i don't think that either chromium or firefox would be the best browser for lwer-end pc's
[13:10] <jrmy> well if its just as nice as firefox but actually lets me watch video without lag then sure i'll take that browser
[13:10] <knome> probably not.
[13:11] <jrmy> its kinda sad when youtube lags
[13:11] <jrmy> even though it has nothing to do with my download rate
[13:11] <jrmy> i can have the whole video downloaded yet it still lags
[13:12] <Sysi> flash vs html5?
[13:12] <jrmy> what now?
[13:12] <jrmy> what is html5?
[13:13] <Sysi> ..alternative for flash, works well on chromium, not taht well on FF, better on linux than flash
[13:14] <jrmy> hmm...
[13:14] <jrmy> ok
[13:15] <jrmy> i wonder if i can get a laptop for $500 with a 512MB graphics card
[13:15] <knome> probably yes
[13:16] <jrmy> im confused why computers are made with gigs for video when most games only need 512 at max
[13:17] <jrmy> only game i know that has 512 as a requirement is starcraft2
[13:17] <jrmy> and i dont think ill be playinhg that anyways, dont care for rts as much
[13:17] <jrmy> that and more then a dual core
[13:17] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support talk please
[13:18] <jrmy> oh...
[13:18] <jrmy> sorry
[13:18] <knome> no problem
[13:18] <Sysi> (requirements for maximum vs. minimum and today vs. tomorrow)
[13:18] <knome> Sysi, grr :P
[13:19] <jrmy> fine i wont add a comment to that
[13:21] <jrmy> i dont liek the image viewer that comes with xubuntu. is the one that comes with ubuntu bulky? i think i like that one more
[13:22] <jrmy> risterro i think its called doesnt show GIF images very well
[13:23] <jrmy> and how do i make a new image viewer the default?
[13:25] <jrmy> ok its called ristretto
[13:26] <jrmy> i'd use it but there is no obvious way to rotate images and change to the next without having to use the mouse
[13:28] <Sysi> space and in menu is
[13:28] <jrmy> what?
[13:28] <Sysi> space switches to next
[13:28] <jrmy> oh
[13:28] <Sysi> i've rotated images from menu
[13:28] <jrmy> ok
[13:29] <jrmy> well only if it didnt have problems with gif
[13:29] <Sysi> you can try ubuntu's one, idk what it is
[13:29] <jrmy> yeah i cant remember either
[14:09] <ubuXubu_> i had lucid for about 2 weeks and had to reinstall due to panels that would not stick no matter what?
[14:10] <ubuXubu_> noone anywhere could give me a solution...none of the terminal command stuck.
[14:10] <ubuXubu_> so i reinstalled and this time tried ext3
[14:10] <ubuXubu_> i cant believe it
[14:12] <knome> does it work now then?
[14:13] <ubuXubu_> well i just reinstalle dyesterday
[14:14] <ubuXubu_> so far so good
[14:14] <knome> okay. hard to say what went wrong since you are not running the broken system anymore.
[14:14] <ubuXubu_> wut a nightmare
[14:14] <knome> yes, there are bumps sometimes..
[14:14] <knome> like when traveling with airplane
[14:14] <ubuXubu_> the terminal commands worked until i rebooted
[14:15] <knome> as i said earlier, it's probably just about the panel not being in the session
[14:15] <knome> for reason or another
[14:15] <ubuXubu_> i did read this whole ext4 thing may be a big pipe dream too in the ubuntu
[14:16] <ubuXubu_> it was sluggish
[14:16] <ubuXubu_> and quirky, just weird overall
[14:17] <ubuXubu_> im not gonna mess wit hthe TI driver anymore either
[14:17] <ubuXubu_> ati driver*
[14:19] <ubuXubu_> so hows it goin knome its me balsaq  using my new nick specially formulated for when im in a buntu channel
[14:19] <knome> well, it's okay. there's going to be a new theme in maverick, called bluebird
[14:19] <ubuXubu_> 1010 already huh
[14:19] <knome> http://shimmerproject.org/projects/bluebird/
[14:21] <ubuXubu_> cool, do i dare install 1010 on one of my computers?
[14:21] <ubuXubu_> i dont want the entire desktop to disappear!
[14:22] <ubuXubu_> gotta a good feeling bout ole ext3 though...feels like home again.
[14:23] <ubuXubu_> i meant gnomes
[17:02] <nicofs> hi there... i want to mount an *.iso-file but it doesn't work... help... http://pastebin.org/986278
[17:04] <well_laid_lawn> !iso
[17:05] <well_laid_lawn> leave out the -t bit
[17:06] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: "you must specify the filesystem type"...
[17:06] <well_laid_lawn> does mount return that?
[17:06] <nicofs> yes
[17:07] <well_laid_lawn> lemme check it here
[17:09] <well_laid_lawn> works fine here without the -t
[17:09] <nicofs> http://pastebin.org/986515 - both versions....
[17:10] <well_laid_lawn> run   dmesg   in terminal - does it say the iso is 9660 - should be the last line
[17:12] <nicofs> http://pastebin.org/986517
[17:15] <well_laid_lawn> try making a new folder in mnt to do this - sudo mkdir -v /mnt/something
[17:16] <nicofs> no change...
[17:17] <well_laid_lawn> k - for some reason mount thinks the fat file system is involved
[17:18] <well_laid_lawn> line 13 - VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop0.
[17:18] <well_laid_lawn> seems like a bad iso perhaps
[17:19] <well_laid_lawn> try   file /home/nicofs/Games/install/nfshs/nfs.iso
[17:19] <well_laid_lawn> in terminal
[17:19] <nicofs> "data"
[17:20] <ochosi> anybody here that
[17:20] <ochosi> 's on maverick?
[17:21] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:  I get   ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data   from file
[17:21] <well_laid_lawn> !maverick
[17:21] <well_laid_lawn> ochosi:  ^^
[17:22] <nicofs> so presumably the *.iso is corrupted...
[17:22] <well_laid_lawn> seems so
[17:22] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:  any reason that the fat file system would be involved?
[17:22] <ochosi> well_laid_lawn: what exactly are you insinuating? i know what maverick is...
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> ochosi:  ^^
[17:23] <well_laid_lawn> was saying it straight out
[17:23] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: well... i converted a *.cue to *.iso in windows... maybe the resulting iso works just there...
[17:24] <ochosi> well_laid_lawn: i'm not sure whether joining an overcrowded channel of mostly ubuntu users asking for xubuntu-users experience is a good idea
[17:25] <well_laid_lawn> ochosi:  you don't seem too bright - I'll put you on ignore then :]
[17:26] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:  afaik it should be fine anywhere if it was made right...
[17:29] <nicofs> hmm... thanks anyway... no time and energy to solve that now...
[17:29] <well_laid_lawn> k :]
[19:18] <jose__> can someone help me with this error when playin dvd's--x11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)-- please thanks..
[19:21] <FusionX> knome: i fixed my problem, actually the problem was -> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9819880#post9819880
[19:24] <FusionX> but dammit i already uninstalled it
[19:24] <FusionX> >:/
[19:25] <jose__> what problem did you have?
[19:28] <FusionX> jose__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9867153#post9867153
[19:28] <jose__> thx.. ill check it out
[19:38] <jrmy> so who knows how to make shortcut keys for volume up down and mute?
[19:39] <jrmy> since switching to xubuntu i have no idea how to do so
[19:40] <charlie-tca> You set the shortcut in settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Do have the keys on your keyboard?
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Down volume - aumix -v-10 ; Up volume - aumix -v+10 ; Mute - aumix -v0
[19:42] <charlie-tca> are the settings I use
[19:42] <Sysi> i think xubuntu default is: amixer set Master/PCM 10%
[19:43] <Sysi> 10%+/-
[19:46] <jrmy> charlie-tca: i have it where i push Fn then pgup, pgdn, and home
[19:46] <jrmy> but they dont work normally so i'd want to create the short cuts
[19:48] <jrmy> ok so how do i add a nex shortcut for the command of volume up, down, and mute?
[19:48] <jrmy> new*
 You set the shortcut in settings -> Xfce4 Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Application shorcuts tab
[20:00] <jrmy> ok so volume up down and mute are applications?
[20:01] <jrmy> i need to know the commands for each of theses
 Down volume - aumix -v-10 ; Up volume - aumix -v+10 ; Mute - aumix -v0
[20:04] <charlie-tca> For Down volume, the shortcut would be    aumix -v -10
[20:04] <charlie-tca> The key you are adding is the key on your own keyboard that is used "For Down volume"
[20:05] <charlie-tca> aumix is the app
[20:06] <jrmy> ok so when i type in the command to add it do i include the spaces?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:06] <jrmy> ok
[20:06] <charlie-tca> oh, no space after the -v
[20:07] <jrmy> ok i didnt do that
[20:09] <jrmy> ok so if i wanted to have it increase slower or faster with the volume up and down i'd just change the number, correct?
[20:09] <jrmy> or decrease*
[20:11] <charlie-tca> correct
[20:12] <jrmy> ok
[20:13] <jrmy> thanks
[20:17] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:35] <jrmy> is there a xfce music player?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> exaile
[20:36] <jrmy> thats it?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> That's it. What's wrong with it?
[20:37] <jrmy> dont know how to get it to play spc files nor does it minimize to the system tray
[20:37] <residentgrey> vlc ftw too bad none of the skins ever work right
[20:37] <jrmy> other then that nothing
[20:38] <charlie-tca> um, goto Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance, Show tray icon is not checked by default, afair
[20:38] <jrmy> first i have to reinstall it
[20:39] <charlie-tca> It should be installed by default in Xubuntu
[20:39] <jrmy> but i dont know how to make it use the spc library
[20:39] <jrmy> i uninstalled it
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know spc
[20:39] <jrmy> its the native of the snes
[20:39] <jrmy> theyre sorta liek awesome midi
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Maybe use vlc for them?
[20:40] <charlie-tca> or install rythmbox?
[20:40] <jrmy> i guess rhythmbox coudl work too
[20:40] <jrmy> could*
[20:40] <jrmy> does vlc minimize to the tray?
[20:40] <jrmy> vlc plays video as well right?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:41] <residentgrey> yes
[20:41] <jrmy> if so why have 2 different media players when i could just use one and save space
[20:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know if it minimizes to the tray
[20:41] <residentgrey> yes
[20:41] <residentgrey> i use it everyday
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I use vlc for dvd's and exaile for everything else. Exaile is just much easier for me
[22:43] <freaky[t]> hi all. what program should i use for instant messaging ?
[22:43] <Dasleah> what protocols do you use
[22:43] <freaky[t]> icq and msn
[22:43] <Dasleah> MSN, IRC, Google Talk, etcetera
[22:44] <Dasleah> well most IM programs for Linux are all-in-one solutions
[22:44] <freaky[t]> ok which one is the default for xubuntu?
[22:44] <Dasleah> so i guess just have a poke around in the Software Center
[22:44] <freaky[t]> is there no default for xubuntu?
[22:44] <Dasleah> no idea
[22:44] <Dasleah> maybe Empathy?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> There is pidgin
[22:44] <Dasleah> it's the default for Ubuntu
[22:44] <charlie-tca> default in Xubuntu
[22:45] <Dasleah> yeah, pidgin will work fine
[22:45] <jrmy> pidgin xubuntu empathy ubuntu
[22:45] <freaky[t]> ok thank you all :D
[22:45] <jrmy> i think empathy sucks for the most part
[22:45] <jrmy> havent tried pidgin
[22:45] <Dasleah> it's not very flash for MSN
[22:45] <jrmy> but i only used empathy for irc
[22:45] <Dasleah> but i mostly use IRC anyway so that's all covered by Xchat2
[22:45] <Dasleah> yeah, empathy sucks for IRC
[22:46] <jrmy> xchat is win imo
[22:46] <jrmy> what i be usin right now
[22:46] <jrmy> i'd use irssi however cause i liek terminal stuff but i dont know how to use it effectively
[22:46] <Dasleah> yeah i moved from Konversation to XChat2 and there's no reason for me to go back
[22:46] <jrmy> btw xchat2?
[22:46] <jrmy> why the 2?
[22:47] <Dasleah> because it's the second version?
[22:47] <jrmy> oh.. i might be using a latter version
[22:47] <Dasleah> latest is 2.8.9
[22:47] <jrmy> didnt know of such things
[22:47] <jrmy> i wonder whats different
[22:48] <Dasleah> only thing i'm missing in it is graphical emoticons
[22:48] <Dasleah> which i think can be added, but i'm too lazy
[22:48] <jrmy> never used emoticons
[22:48] <jrmy> i think theyre dumb
[22:48] <Dasleah> mostly handy for me because i frequent channels with a lot of goons
[22:49] <Dasleah> so being able to understand what some of their obscure emoticons are helps ;)
[22:49] <freaky[t]> how do i add pidgin to autostart in xubuntu?
[22:49] <jrmy> ah
[22:49] <jrmy> autostart never used it but i think its easy
[22:50] <jrmy> i know how to with gnome
[22:50] <jrmy> aka ubutnu
[22:50] <freaky[t]> yea
[22:50] <jrmy> ubuntu*
[22:50] <Dasleah> Settings > Session And Startup
[22:50] <Dasleah> Application Autostart tab, then Add if it's not in the list
[22:50] <freaky[t]> ok where is "Settings"?
[22:50] <jrmy> see like i said
[22:51] <jrmy> applications up at top
[22:51] <freaky[t]> lol sorry i cant find it in
[22:51] <Dasleah> for me it's at the top of the mouse menu
[22:51] <jrmy> yeah click it
[22:51] <Dasleah> but then i'm running some weird hybrid of Ubuntu and Xubuntu here so things are all over the place
[22:51] <jrmy> applications > settings > xfce settings manager
[22:52] <freaky[t]> i found it thank you
[22:52] <jrmy> lol
[22:52] <jrmy> i think i have 10.10
[22:52] <jrmy> or whatever the newest is
[22:52] <charlie-tca> 10.04
[22:52] <jrmy> oh
[22:52] <jrmy> then that
[22:52] <Dasleah> don't think 10.10 will be out for another few weeks yet
[22:52] <freaky[t]> i have 10.10 aswell
[22:53] <jrmy> i used sudo apt install whatever then followed instructions on how to make it pure xubuntu
[22:53] <charlie-tca> 10.10 should be out on 10/10/2010
[22:54] <Dasleah> date of my wedding
[22:54] <jrmy> i definitely see a difference in resource usage between ubuntu and xubuntu
[22:54] <Dasleah> oh yeah
[22:55] <jrmy> xubuntu only uses half of my ram
[22:55] <Dasleah> i'm using about 100-200mb less RAM on average doing the same thing under Xubuntu
[22:55] <knome> for non-support talk, please use #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:56] <jrmy> ironic since this is about xubuntu
[22:56] <jrmy> "xubuntu-offtopic"
[22:56] <knome> it's not ironic, this is a support channel
[22:56] <Dasleah> with no-one to support right now
[22:57] <knome> that doesn't change the thing, really.
[22:58] <Dasleah> nofunallowed.jpg then
[22:58] <Dasleah> oh well
[22:58]  * Dasleah shuts up
[22:58] <jrmy> thats why i talk in my loco channel
[22:58] <jrmy> its ubuntu however
[22:59] <jrmy> where can i find out about xchat then?
[23:00] <jrmy> i'd assume this is an inappropriate place to ask
[23:00] <Dasleah> xchat.org
[23:00] <Dasleah> or it's in the Software Centre
[23:01] <charlie-tca> No, this is not an inappropriate place to ask that question
[23:01] <knome> xchat is by default in xubuntu so it's not offtopic
[23:01] <jrmy> really?
[23:01] <jrmy> i did not know that
[23:01] <charlie-tca> and talk about the amount of ram saved is also appropriate in this channel
[23:02] <knome> talk, but not random chatterish thing, imo
[23:02] <Dasleah> see i can understand that policy in a high-activity channel, sure
[23:03] <Dasleah> but there's like less then 60 people in here and us just chatting friendly about tangential-related things is the most active i've seen it all week
[23:03] <jrmy> it all seems relevant imo if it has to do with xubuntu and by doing so gains knowlegde of xubuntu more so
[23:04] <jrmy> how is this non-supportive?
[23:04] <Dasleah> it's not like if anyone were to ask a support question we'd tell them to bugger off or anything so a little harmless casual chatting doesn't ruin anything
[23:04] <knome> the policy is the same for all then channels
[23:05] <knome> Dasleah, jrmy: sorry, i was just acting before we went totally offtopic. memory usage conversation is okay, but if it's just casual chatting style, i personally think it's not that valuable/necessary
[23:05] <knome> talking about dropping/switching several applications and gaining on memory or tweaking stuff is okay, imo
[23:06] <Dasleah> and i think that for an IRC channel of this size and relative low popularity, fostering a friendly community where people can feel they can chat about things that aren't strictly on-topic 100% of the time is valuable / necessary
[23:06] <Dasleah> but i can understand where you're coming from
[23:07] <jrmy> and at that stand point i dont really want to come here for help
[23:07] <jrmy> doesnt come off as friendly
[23:07] <knome> i understand your point as well, and some friendly 'hey's are okay really, but from experience, stuff like memory usage and/or tweaking easily goes off-topic
[23:08] <jrmy> well dont be suprised if less people come here
[23:08] <jrmy> im just one person
[23:08] <knome> jrmy, i'm sorry you've had that impression
[23:08] <jrmy> but im not sure how other people will take it
[23:09] <jrmy> #xchat
[23:09] <knome> !guidelines
[23:09] <knome> jrmy, those guidelines apply all channels, including #xubuntu, and you agree them on joining
[23:09] <charlie-tca> But those guidelines have always been looser enforced in Xubuntu channels than in Ubuntu channels
[23:10] <jrmy> and in both my loco team channel and another ive been in its rarely been that we have to on topic unless a question arises
[23:10] <knome> charlie-tca, true, but that doesn't mean we are not following them at all
[23:10] <knome> loco channels are not "official channels"
[23:10] <knome> or what the term again is...
[23:10] <charlie-tca> knome: I saw nothing that far off that guidelines were not being followed "at all".
[23:10] <knome> charlie-tca, core channels?
[23:10] <jrmy> ok so what is #ubuntu-us-pa and #ubuntu-us-mi?
[23:11] <freaky[t]> this damn msn since the beginning it says my email address is not verified and i dont know how i can resend the confirmation eMail
[23:11] <jrmy> perhaps i was mislead on loco?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> !language | freaky[t]
[23:11] <knome> jrmy, local community. those channels are exactly loco channels.
[23:11] <freaky[t]> sorry
[23:11] <knome> jrmy, eg. not core support channels
[23:11] <jrmy> oh
[23:11] <freaky[t]> im german what should i have said instead?
[23:12] <freaky[t]> i know the word you mean
[23:12] <knome> freaky[t], leave it out, maybe?
[23:12] <freaky[t]> but what with should i have replaced it
[23:12] <jrmy> you could of said darn
[23:12] <charlie-tca> nothing
[23:12] <freaky[t]> ok
[23:12] <charlie-tca> it is not necessary in the sentence.
[23:12] <knome> jrmy, that's no better
[23:12] <freaky[t]> yes
[23:12] <Dasleah> wait, damn is 'bad language', seriously
[23:12] <Dasleah> what are we 10 years old
[23:12] <charlie-tca> msn since the beginning it says my email address is not verified and i dont know how i can resend the confirmation eMail
[23:12] <charlie-tca> is all that is needed
[23:12] <knome> Dasleah, this channel is family friendly
[23:13] <Dasleah> it's a perfectly benign expression of frustration
[23:13] <knome> Dasleah, that means you should act like there actually WERE 10 year olds in this channel
[23:13] <charlie-tca> This is a family channel. My 10 year grandson does not need to see that
[23:13] <freaky[t]> ok can any of you linux guys help me with MsN? lolol
[23:13] <Dasleah> but it's like one of the most non-offensive words possible
[23:14] <Dasleah> there are names for colours that invoke more negative connotations
[23:14] <charlie-tca> Dasleah: It is offensive to many people
[23:14] <knome> freaky[t], afaik you'll have to deal that with msn
[23:14] <jrmy> although in its proper use it should not be
[23:14] <jrmy> and yes pastors use this word
[23:14] <knome> freaky[t], maybe login to msn passport or so
[23:15] <jrmy> ie damned when you go to hell
[23:15] <freaky[t]> knome, where is this passport page?
[23:15] <knome> freaky[t], passport.com? please refer to microsoft on this, IM clients do not handle this kind of stuff
[23:16] <knome> jrmy, stop right now.
[23:16] <freaky[t]> ok thanks
[23:16] <jrmy> so that was offensive?
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Okay, for information only! knome and I are both channel ops here. That language will not be tolerated and will result in getting you kicked out
[23:16] <jrmy> amazing
[23:16] <knome> jrmy, i know that's a proper use when you're in the church, but irc is a bit different - especially as this is a support channel, not a preaching one
[23:17] <jrmy> w/e i dont have to come here
[23:17] <jrmy> bye
[23:17] <charlie-tca> Sorry, knome. I may not always agree, but I will not disagree on offensive issues
[23:17] <freaky[t]> lol their page is down
[23:17] <knome> charlie-tca, no problem.
[23:17] <freaky[t]> i love microsoft </irony>
[23:17] <Dasleah> and people wonder why Linux has a reputation for being full of grumpy old neckbeards
[23:18] <knome> charlie-tca, always agreeing on anything is not possible, really
[23:18] <Dasleah> i'm out
[23:18] <knome> being a little tense here tonight, are we? ò.O
[23:19] <charlie-tca> apparently, if you can't say everything you want to, it is not worth being here?
[23:20] <knome> mmh. don't know. works for me, really
[23:20] <freaky[t]> "might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." ... perfect timing ...
[23:20] <charlie-tca> I don't mind seeing a little off-topic straying, but I do mind flagrant violations of the guidelines...
[23:20] <knome> freaky[t], passport.com works for me
[23:21] <freaky[t]> knome, it's just the account management site which seems to be down
[23:22] <knome> right... a new try tomorrow, then?
[23:22] <freaky[t]> knome, does it work for you?
[23:22] <knome> freaky[t], haven't tried and right now, do not have time
[23:23] <freaky[t]> ok
[23:23] <freaky[t]> ill try again tomorrow then, thank you
[23:23] <knome> you're welcome
[23:24] <knome> charlie-tca, a little offtopic is okay yeah, but as i said, it easily leads to being more offtopic. i know that happens with me as well. that's why i said sorry to both of them, but apparently they wanted to stick with the attitude against any authority.
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is what I saw happen too.
[23:25] <charlie-tca> I tried not to jump you. I am sorry if it felt like I was.
[23:25] <knome> no problem at all. probably good you said that.
[23:26] <charlie-tca> You know, the one that used the language first dropped it as soon I asked. The other two though...
[23:27] <charlie-tca> knome: you gonna be at UDS this time?
[23:29] <knome> charlie-tca, nope.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> hmm, hoped to meet you in person
[23:30] <knome> charlie-tca, oh well, didn't apply for sponsorship, and at this time, i don't know if a trip to US would have been possible anyway
[23:31] <charlie-tca> ah, I see. I think sometimes we (the US) make it very difficult for people
[23:31] <knome> it's kind of far away from here... ;]
[23:31] <charlie-tca> yes, that it is
[23:31] <knome> and without sponsoring, quite expensive
[23:32] <charlie-tca> I would not expect it without sponsorship
[23:33] <knome> mm-hmm. maybe some can do. partial sponsorship from own company or so
[23:33] <charlie-tca> still expensive
[23:33] <knome> it is


[01:35] <vila_> lifeless: if I had the bandwidth, that would be a no-brainer :-}
[01:36] <vila_> lifeless: I'm not even sure I can remember an open bug I encountered myself... I mean, in years, without even checking I was up to date...


[13:08] <jrwren> what is that law that says software takes the structure of the org that builds it
[13:14] <jrwren> Conway's law.
[14:11] <rick_h_> jrwren: running into that lately?
[14:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:49] <rick_h_> morn
[14:50] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lockharts moved to 11am if that changes anything for you
[15:07] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Thanks. Unfortuantely I can't make it.
[15:07] <cmaloney> But please keep me in mind for next time
[15:18] <rick_h_> cmaloney: all good
[18:21] <jrwren> rick_h_: there was a reddit post that was basically, "how can I Conway?"  I wanted to reply with, "this is conway's law"


 @Anarcho Taoist, It's not released yet via backport ppa. You have to wait or switch distributions
[05:50] <zxq9> hrm... how do I make capslock work the normal way (not require shift+capslock)?
[05:51] <zxq9> Seems to be an Ubuntu thing. I don't think my vanilla Debian or Gentoo systems do that on KDE or XFCE.
[08:42] <ylli> hello
[08:42] <ylli> ##shqip
[08:43] <ylli_> #english
[10:56] <amichair> It seems kdesudo is gone in 18.04, what's the recommended alternative?
[10:57] <diogenes_>  amichair pkexec
[10:59] <amichair> diogenes_: does it require special arguments? without args it gives an X display error
[10:59] <diogenes_> amichair: pkexec kate for instance
[11:01] <amichair> diogenes_: "pkexec software-properties-kde" results in "Could not connect to any X display"
[11:01] <amichair> "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set"
[11:01] <diogenes_> amichair: yeah, it doesn't work with all the applications, it's something recently implemented to ...
[11:02] <amichair> so kdesudo is just gone, and there's no appropriate replacement?
[11:02] <diogenes_> right
[11:03] <amichair> diogenes_: lovely
[11:05] <amichair> ok, let's try another q:
[11:06] <amichair> how does one switch between nvidia and nouveau drivers?
[11:06] <amichair> how does one switch between internal Intel graphics and NVidia card? (on laptop with both)
[11:08] <diogenes_> amichair: did you install the proprietary nvidia?
[11:08] <amichair> diogenes_: I think so
[11:09] <diogenes_> amichair: open the terminal and run: sudo lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
[11:09] <diogenes_> copy/paste the output to some pastebin and share the link here
[11:10] <diogenes_> !pastebin | amichair
[11:12] <amichair> diogenes_: that outputs only the Intel one, should I use VGA|NVIDIA to grep both?
[11:12] <diogenes_> sudo lspci -nnk | grep NV -A3
[11:14] <amichair> diogenes_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DGqbrgymd7/
[11:15] <diogenes_> amichair: yep, you installed the proprietary driver, in order to use it, type in the menu nvidia, you open the nvidia settings and there should be an option to switch either to intel or nvidia
[11:16] <amichair> diogenes_: so that sets the one used for the laptop display and turns off the other completely? how about external hdmi port?
[11:17] <amichair> is this under 'PRIME Profiles'?
[11:18] <diogenes_> amichair: yes under prime
[11:18] <diogenes_> you switch to nvidia and reboot
[11:18] <amichair> oh nice there's also a prime-select command for cli
[11:18] <amichair> diogenes_: is the same card used both for laptop display and external hdmi port? or are they different?
[11:19] <diogenes_> the same
[11:19] <amichair> diogenes_: and how would I switch if I didn't have nvidia installed, just nouveau?
[11:20] <diogenes_> DRI_PRIME=1
[11:20] <amichair> where is that?
[11:21] <diogenes_> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/nouveau
[11:21] <amichair> diogenes_: thanks!
[11:21] <diogenes_> yw
[11:22] <diogenes_> i prefer nouveau
[11:22] <amichair> diogenes_: now how do I switch nvidia/nouveau driver? The driver manager gui seems to not change anything
[11:22] <diogenes_> that's a tricky way
[11:23] <diogenes_> it is described in the article i gave
[11:24] <amichair> diogenes_: oh wierd, I changed in nvidia setting to use intel, now the grep shows nvidia using nouveau
[11:24] <amichair> or maybe that's just what it says when intel is used and not nvidia anyway
[11:25] <diogenes_> <look at kernel driver in use
[11:25] <amichair> yay, with intel drivers the laptop seems to not get stuck on resume from suspend!
[11:25] <amichair> and will probably save some battery compared to nvidia card (my guess)
[11:26] <diogenes_> yes
[11:26] <amichair> is there an advantage to using an MX150 with nouveau rather than intel graphics 620?
[11:27] <diogenes_> amichair: i personally prefer nouveau, it's open source and it works nice for me
[11:27] <diogenes_> no need to install the proprietary crap
[11:27] <amichair> diogenes_: compared to intel or compared to nvidia?
[11:28] <amichair> isn't intel driver also open?
[11:28] <diogenes_> nouveau is related to nvidia, you got the nvidia card and it can use either nouveau or nvidia proprietary driver
[11:28] <diogenes_> intel has proprietary microcode too
[11:28] <diogenes_> but it's optional because there is an open source driver too
[11:29] <amichair> diogenes_: yeah, I was asking about nouveau compared to intel
[11:30] <diogenes_> amichair: the question is not quite correct because with the optimus setup (when there are two cards intel and nvidia or AMD) you are supposed to use your normal work with itel grphics
[11:30] <diogenes_> only when you play games or do some heavy graphics demanding stuff'
[11:30] <diogenes_> you use nvidia cadr with either nouveau or nvidia proprietary driver
[11:31] <diogenes_> intel graphics*
[11:31] <amichair> don't know what optimus/prime is
[11:31] <amichair> so it automatically switches between them?
[11:31] <diogenes_> optimus means when there are two graphics cards intel and nvidia or AMD
[11:32] <diogenes_> nope it doesn't switch automatically
[11:32] <diogenes_> only on windows, on linux you need a command to switch to the second card
[11:32] <amichair> diogenes_: does it use both concurrently? or u switch manually and reboot? if so how is that different from having two cards a decade ago (or whatever was before optimus)?
[11:33] <diogenes_> amichair: a decade ago there was no such thing as integrated graphics, so you had only the discrete one
[11:33] <diogenes_> now the intel one is integrated it means even if your discrete graphic card dies, you can still use your pc
[11:33] <diogenes_> with the integrated one
[11:34] <diogenes_> and it doesn't use both at the same time
[11:34] <amichair> I know that setup, didn't know it's called optimus. dunno what the name adds :-)
[11:35] <diogenes_> optimus it's called because it optimizes power consumption and performance, it keeps a good balance between those two
[11:35] <diogenes_> and that's an awesome technology
[11:35] <amichair> diogenes_: but if it doesn't switch between them automatically, what's the optimization/technology?
[11:36] <amichair> if u need discrete graphics u use that, if not u use integrated, and that's it, no?
[11:37] <diogenes_> amichair: that's logical, all your tasks normally run with intel, it means lower power consumption, lower heating and stuff but when you need more power for a game for instance, you append the command that enables the discrete card and ther you have it.
[11:37] <amichair> or do u mean optimus is a separate technology within a given card to keep poewr/performance balanced? (i.e. unrelated to multiple cards)?
[11:37] <diogenes_> i explained ^^^
[11:37] <amichair> diogenes_: oh, so u can switch weithout a reboot
[11:37] <amichair> yeah then that's more convenient
[11:38] <amichair> adding it to a game startup script is closer to what I meant by automatic. semi-automatic :-)
[11:38] <diogenes_> amichair: you can switch without reboot when you use intel + nouveau, with intel + nvidia you need to reboot and yes, there is no optimization in that case
[11:39] <diogenes_> up until 18.04 there was a program called bumblebee that used to work perfectly switching the nvidia proprietary driiver on the fly, no reboot needed, but now they killed it
[11:39] <diogenes_> and that's kinda sad
[11:40] <amichair> so bumblebee enabled optimus on the proprietary driver? and now it only works with nouveau?
[11:41] <diogenes_> amichair: exactly, in ubuntu yes, but there are still some other distros where you can use bumblebee that will switch to the proprietary nvidia on the fly
[11:41] <amichair> ah ok
[11:41] <diogenes_> by just appending: optirun <application>
[11:41] <amichair> cool
[11:41] <amichair> (and uncool it's not in ubuntu)
[11:41] <diogenes_> yeah
[11:53] <amichair> diogenes_: thanks for ur help and many answers!
[11:53] <amichair> diogenes_: solved my initial problem (suspend/resume), and learned a few things along the way!
[11:53] <diogenes_> yw
[11:53] <amichair> I'll try to get nouveau working instead of nvidia proprietary too
[12:39] <loat> does anyone know how to get videos to sort by duration in dolphin?
[12:46] <amichair> damn suspend/resume still fails even with intel card/driver :-/
[12:47] <amichair> resumes into blank screen, only hard reboot helps
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> loat- if you right-click in the column header, there's a column for Audio -> Duration. Not sure if that will work for video files as well.
[12:53] <loat> Dragnslcr- I did try that and no luck, I may have to write something, was hoping it was built in
[12:54] <loat> I appreciate the response though
 Hey there!  … I often have the feeling that my Kubuntu system uses too much memory (and therefor tends to be slow) but I am not sure which background applications are necessary to ''run the system'' and which ones are only eat up my memory. … I would appreciate it if someone could help me :)
[14:10] <diogenes_> Faszinosium42, look in ksysguard
[14:11] <tichun_> How can I live with Plasma 5.12 when 5.13 was released?
[14:14] <tichun_> Firefox (GTK3) has dark text on dark background for tabs except the current one using Breeze for GTK
[14:15] <diogenes_> tichun_: what?
[14:19] <tichun_> https://imgur.com/a/iS4SQGm
[14:22] <diogenes_> try a different theme for ff
[15:14] <tichun> Is "United" Look And Feel working for you on 18.04?
[15:14] <tichun> This is the theme that mimics Unity
[15:15] <tichun> (I'd like to swap theme every once in a while)
[15:44] <jrss> good morning
[15:44] <jrss> I want to move my kubuntu installtion to an SSD in my computer. looking for a way to clone. which software do you recommend? is there anything built in?
 dd is build in in every linux system. but be extremely careful as many call it destroyer of disks. Read a few guides to use it
[16:54] <[Relic]> wouldn't it be easier just to backup copy all the config files, reinstall everything and overwrite the config files to the last setting you were using?
[17:57] <jrss> well I want to make a backup that includs configs all of my programs, yes, potentially also what I downloaded
[17:58] <jrss> so when I start on the SSD it's there
[17:58] <jrss> I have a backup of my home folder, that's a good start.
[18:33] <Dragnslcr> jrss- I've used Clonezilla in the past. It's a Debian-based Live CD that uses partclone/partimage
[18:35] <jrss> Dragnslcr: keep hearing about this one. So you can boot from a USB using it?
[18:35] <jrss> if I'm dual boot, can I use my windows partition for it maybe?
[18:35] <jrss> not that I mind starting from a usb just wondering about options. seems to have many
[18:39] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, it should work fine booted from a USB drive
[18:40] <Dragnslcr> I think I only ever tried it from a CD and from the network, but USB should work fine
[18:40] <Dragnslcr> You don't need any other disks or partitions. It can just copy from the old disk to the new SSD.
[18:42] <jrss> ohh really? so if I format my SSD, and then boot from USB, I can tell it to copy from my HD to my SSD? and it will?
[18:42] <jrss> all in one action? as in, do I need to create an image first, or is there a "copy" option? I am looking it up right now I didn't see it before hmm
[18:52] <Dragnslcr> I'm pretty sure it can just do a direct copy
[18:52] <Dragnslcr> I don't think you even need to format the SSD, since the format of the old drive will get copied as well
[19:00] <jrss> Dragnslcr: wow that's helpful hmm. yeah I have to SSDs, both are used by windows, one for the OS, the other for stuff
[19:00] <tichun> How to hunt QML modules for widgets? I currently need org.kde.plasma.private.notes
[19:00] <jrss> and I thought I'd need it but it makes no sense to use my HDD for Kubuntu
[19:36] <Candida_ZX> Hi, I have a problem. I´m not able to make a USB startup disk (and yes I know how to do this) with startup disk creator.
[19:37] <diogenes_> very little info
[19:37] <Barefooted_raven> Startup disk creator isn't working for me
[19:37] <diogenes_> try etcher and RosaImageWriter
[19:38] <Barefooted_raven> Do you mind telling me what the problem might be?
[19:38] <diogenes_> yes of course
[19:38]  * diogenes_ gazes into his crystam magic ball
[19:38] <diogenes_> crystal*
[19:38] <Barefooted_raven> or course, you do mind?
[19:39] <Barefooted_raven> What I mean is, this does seem to be a problem with this particular program.
[19:39] <diogenes_> it's either program or device
[19:39] <diogenes_> one of two
[19:40] <Barefooted_raven> I see, as this has happened before when I used other computers.  I am using an older version of Kubuntu as well
[19:42] <Barefooted_raven> My reasons for wanting to do this are also because none of my flash drives are visible UNTIL I use a partition editor. Odd!  This is a first
[21:46] <my_mind> Hey
[21:46] <luuk> hey
[21:47] <my_mind> Anyone have an issue with usb devices in 18.04? When I unplug a usb external hdd or flash drive, it stays in dolphin and freezes
[21:48] <my_mind> When I plug it back in, it doesn’t mount itself


[01:19] <ChaiTRex> What is the best way to report that the Installation/MinimalCD wiki page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD) doesn't include links or hashes for 17.04 yet?


[02:28] <pentest> Host OS Xubuntu 13.04 is the LTSP server. 1 wifi card connected to Internet. I have got wlan0 (addr:<IP_ADDRESS>) and virbr0 (addr:<IP_ADDRESS>). Thin Client Guest OS installed in Virtual Box. Is it possible to have Thin Client boot-up with this LTSP server plz using virbr0? Note I have 1 physical NIC and 1 virtual NIC.
[03:12] <lesterc> I knew there would be a server channel! :)
[03:31] <lesterc> so anyone here runs ipsec+xl2tpd inside a lxc container? :)
[03:32] <stgraber> I think I actually saw a bug report about that recently, I've never tried it myself but it sounds potentially tricky due to the way ipsec works with the kernel...
[03:33] <stgraber> if it was a simple userspace daemon using a tap/tun device, that'd be easy (and openvpn tends to work great thanks to that) but ipsec is much trickier with some bits in the kernel and some bits in userspace and my fear is that not all the kernel bits are namespace aware
[03:39] <lesterc> stgraber: yeah I am running openvpn inside lxc as we speak. :)
[03:50] <shotoflove> Hi, anyone have experience with kerberos,ldap and ad?
[03:53] <lesterc> What's the question shotoflove?
[04:01] <shotoflove> lesterc: I'm trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADWin2k8KerberosLDAP but after getting my kerberos ticket I'm unable to getent passwd with data from Windows AD.  I'd be willing to pay for support getting this setup.
[04:04] <lesterc> shotoflove: sorry - no experience with recent windows stuff.
[04:05] <lesterc> I'm sure you can get people to do a one-off job for you if you are willing to pay.
[04:05] <shotoflove> Where at?
[04:05] <lesterc> check your local linux user group. :)
[04:06] <lesterc> to answer your question - if you managed to get a AD ticket issued to your linux host all you need is to configure nsswitch.conf (i think)
[04:07] <shotoflove> Yeah, I modified nsswitch to use ldap for passwd and group
[04:07] <shotoflove> My issue is syslog says nslcd is unable to login with ldap to my windows ad
[04:07] <shotoflove> Says invalid credentials
[04:07] <lesterc> check your libldap.conf (or equalvilent?)
[04:08] <lesterc> brb
[04:11] <shotoflove> lesterc: I used /etc/nslcd.conf binddn CN=User,OU-Users,DC=domainname,DC=edu
[04:12] <shotoflove> I set my Windows AD up as name.domain.edu
[04:12] <shotoflove> I tried binddn CN=User,OU-Users,DC=name,DC=domainname,DC=edu
[04:13] <shotoflove> Nothing seems to want to authenticate
[04:13] <lesterc> IIRC AD requires login for lookup no?
[04:14] <shotoflove> I think so
[04:14] <lesterc> I'm **really** the wrong guy for these sort of questions...
[04:14] <shotoflove> When i used likewise it also joins my computer to AD.  With a kerberos ticket I'm not seeing my computer joined to the domain.  I'm wondering if that might be the issue as well.
[04:14] <shotoflove> hah
[04:14] <shotoflove> All good
[04:15] <shotoflove> Sorry that bother you
[04:15] <lesterc> just trying to help. u might get a better answer from others on the channel however.
[04:15] <lesterc> but if I were you I'd check binddn and password in ldap.conf
[04:16] <shotoflove> Hm that guide had me remove that file
[04:16]  * lesterc is happily Windows free for the last decade.
[07:36] <pentest> Guys I am stuck. This is LTSP related. Please help..here is the details
[07:36] <pentest> Host OS Xubuntu 13.04 is the LTSP server. 1 wifi card connected to Internet. I have got wlan0 (addr:<IP_ADDRESS>) and virbr0 (addr:<IP_ADDRESS>). Thin Client Guest OS installed in Virtual Box. dhcpd.conf edited with these values:
[07:36] <pentest> authoritative;
[07:36] <pentest> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[07:36] <pentest>     range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[07:36] <pentest>     option domain-name "example.com";
[07:36] <pentest>     option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[07:36] <pentest>     option broadcast-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[07:36] <pentest>     option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[07:36] <pentest> Thin client virtual network is this: Attached to: Bridged Adapter, Name: virbr0.
[07:36] <pentest> When booting up says searching for server ip (DHCP)....No IP.No IP.No IP.
[07:45] <Andre_Gomes> Hello
[07:46] <Andre_Gomes> i'm new to ubuntu server and i think i maked a big mistake, i typed pure-pw mkgroup -l > /etc/group and pure-pw mkpasswd -l > /etc/passwd now my system wont boot
[07:49] <Andre_Gomes> i can only boot to recovery, i have searched but no lucky
[09:05] <lesterc> does anyone knows about the status of bind10? :)
[09:06] <sgran> hi, is this a reasonable place to ask about the cloud-archive?
[09:07] <sgran> I'd like to poke a few bug reports, but I'm not sure where to prod
[09:09] <xnox> sgran: typically it's a straight backport from current ubuntu release to the LTS, so just open bugs against the affected package with $ ubuntu-bug package, it should file the bug correctly I believe.
[09:09] <xnox> there is little chance that it doesn't affect the current ubuntu release as well.
[09:10] <sgran> for instance: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1233178
[09:10] <sgran> or https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1220692
[09:10] <xnox> sgran: that seems reasonable place to file those bugs.
[09:11] <sgran> if those look correctly filed, then I guess I'll just wait.  I was hoping to push it forward a bit, but I'm not sure how to help
[09:12] <xnox> smoser: jamespage: ^^^ can you please take a quick look at the above bugs?
[09:41] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:41] <koolhead17> jamespage: around
[09:42]  * koolhead17 knows zul must be sleeping
[10:02] <serapath> hello
[10:02] <serapath> i'm using koding.com. It offers a VM that i can use from a terminal within the browser
[10:02] <serapath> thats my question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/352224/howto-start-scripts-before-after-startup-reboot-suspend-hibernate-power
[10:03] <serapath> if i go offline and come back later after more then 20 minutes, my VM has been restarted or returns from suspend or something, because all my daemons or services (e.g. dropbox, nodejs server) are not running anymore and i have to restart them manually
[10:03] <serapath> i would like to have a script which is automatically executed when i return, because its a bit cumbersome to always start that stuff manually
[10:04] <serapath> how would i do it?
[10:04] <serapath> i'm not exactly sure if my VM is suspended, but if thats the case, how can i do that manually, so that i do not have to wait 20 minutes? (pmi action suspend) doesnt work
[10:45] <jamespage> koolhead17, yes
[10:46] <koolhead17> jamespage: how have you been sir?/
[10:46] <jamespage> koolhead17, very well thanks - and you?
[10:46] <koolhead17> jamespage: am rocking thanks
[10:47] <jamespage> xnox, ack - will do
[10:48] <xnox> jamespage: thanks a lot.
[10:58] <rbasak> zul: any comment on bug 1231970? "nova-novncproxy requires websockify version 0.5.1" - does this need an FFe and sync?
[10:59] <jamespage> rbasak: yes I think so
[10:59] <rbasak> jamespage: shall I target to Saucy then?
[10:59] <jamespage> rbasak: please do
[11:00] <jamespage> sgran, re those two bugs; one will be fixed at havana rc1 - the other should not be a problem in grizzly - but see convestation above re havana
[11:00] <rbasak> done, thanks
[11:37] <serverchicken> Installing ubuntu server 12.04. The CD does not include a precompiled module of the computer's network card
[11:37] <jamespage> zul, can you take a look at bug 1231970?
[11:37] <zul> jamespage:  yep will do so when i get in
[11:38] <serverchicken> I have compiled one though. is it possible for me to load the module while installing?
[11:38] <serverchicken> Jump to a shell and do a modprobe [module]
[12:51] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/lxc/+merge/187796
[12:53] <smoser> random neat little thing i just tested as functional
[12:53] <smoser> cat ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > mykey.pub
[12:54] <smoser> nova keypair-add --pub-key mykey.pub default
[12:54] <smoser> nova boot --key-name=default --flavor=m1.small --image=$IMG my-server-name
[12:55] <smoser> then i can ssh in with any of the keys there.
[12:55] <smoser> ie, your pubkey that you upload can have more than one pubkey in it.
[13:00] <herol3oy> Hi. I have got a pen driver and it has got the "New Folder.exe" virus and now I want to search for it in terminal and then delete them immediately? how can i do it? thnkx
[13:04] <ikonia> herol3oy: what do you want to search for ?
[13:04] <herol3oy> ikonia:  I want to find all the "New Folder.exe" files and then delete them!
[13:05] <ikonia> herol3oy: find them on what ?
[13:06] <smoser> herol3oy, find / -name "New Folder.exe" -delete
[13:06] <smoser> maybe with 'sudo' first.
[13:06] <herol3oy> ikonia: u know i don't wanna format my pen drive so i need to find all these files and then delete them so my friends computer will be safe when I put the pen drive in their usb drive.
[13:07] <smoser> herol3oy, find /media -name "New Folder.exe" -delete
[13:07] <ikonia> herol3oy: ok, so mount the pendrive, then use the command smoser suggested replacing / with the mount url
[13:07] <ikonia> mount point (not url)
[13:07] <smoser> yeah, and just go from /media unless you'd *want* to leave 'New Folder.exe' files around.
[13:08] <smoser> you could also do:
[13:08] <smoser> well, if you drop the '-delete' it will print them.
[13:08] <smoser> so do that first, be satisfied that its not doing anything you dont want
[13:08] <smoser> then run with '-delete'
[13:20] <sgran> jamespage: so that means it will get uploaded to saucy and then pulled to the cloud-repo?  If so, cool, and thanks
[13:20] <sgran> I'm doing a test deploy now, so I'm trying to report and track any bugs before we need it for anything important
[13:21] <herol3oy> ikonia: hey dude. I run this command line:     find /media/herol3oy/usbdrive/ -name "New Folder .exe" -delete      but it only delete the file which was located in root. how can i delete them all also in other folders and sub-folders?
[13:22] <ikonia> herol3oy: it should only search /media/herol3oy/usbdrive
[13:24] <jamespage> sgran, that is the case yes
[13:24] <jamespage> sgran, are you using the havana-staging PPA?
[13:26] <sgran> deb http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-{updates,proposed}/havana main
[13:26] <jamespage> sgran, urgh - Ok - thats not quite as up-to-date as ppa:ubuntu-cloud-archive/havana-staging
[13:27] <sgran> can it be :)
[13:30] <soren> jamespage: I'm around now if you want to discuss https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/python-jenkins/add-crumb/+merge/188155
[13:33] <jamespage> soren, sorry - looking now
[13:33]  * jamespage got distracted by some openstack issues yesterday
[13:51] <soren> jamespage: I know that feeling.
[13:51] <herol3oy> ikonia: thanks dude. i did it ;)
[14:03] <rbasak> smoser: we'll want uvtool in main eventually I presume? Does this block juju at all?
[14:08] <smoser> juju is universe
[14:08] <smoser> right?
[14:08] <smoser> (thats what apt-cache policy tells me)
[14:09] <smoser> i do not have any reason for why uvtools should be main.
[14:09] <smoser> not that i can think of.
[14:09] <rbasak> Oh. Of course juju isn't in main yet.
[14:09] <rbasak> Thanks
[14:11] <excalibr> Is discard directive in rsyslog broken in Raring? I put & ~ at the end of my iptables log config and i still see its log messages being logged to /var/log/syslog
[14:12] <excalibr> :msg, contains, "iptables: " /var/log/iptables.log
[14:12] <excalibr> & ~
[14:19] <jamespage> soren, that should fix the 'you need todo POST' error message from jenkins right?
[14:19] <jamespage> I'm still seeing that
[14:22] <soren> jamespage: "you need todo POST"?
[14:22] <jamespage> soren, "You must use POST method to trigger builds. (From scripts you may instead pass a per-project authentication token, or authenticate with your API token.) If you see this page, it may be because a plugin offered a GET link; file a bug report for that plugin."
[14:23] <soren> jamespage: Uh. No.
[14:23] <soren> jamespage: This fixes authentication when CSRF is enabled.
[14:23] <soren> jamespage: Your problem seems related to your not using the API token, but perhaps your password?
[14:25] <soren> So, if CSRF protection is enabled, you need to include a crumb in your requests (to validate that you haven't just been tricked into posting something from a malicious web site).
[14:25] <soren> This patch fetches that crumb and adds it to your request.
[14:25] <stemid> I have this weird issue on an old 10.04 system where /tmp suddenly uses 4.4G with no large files inside it. usually this means some process has an open file handle on /tmp but lsof |grep inode number of /tmp shows nothing.
[14:26] <stemid> so far the only solution has been reboot
[14:26] <soren> stemid: Why would it show the inode number of /tmp?
[14:26] <soren> stemid: Doesn't it say "/tmp/blah (deleted)" or something to that effect?
[14:27]  * soren forgets the exact format
[14:28] <soren> stemid: Yup, it certainly does for me.
[14:28] <soren> stemid: sudo lsof | grep tmp.*deleted
[14:30] <stemid> soren: lsof shows inodes too, I've obviously already tried greping for /tmp or I wouldn't be searching for inodes now
[14:30] <stemid> and I just tried a grep -E '(every|inode|in|/tmp)'
[14:30] <stemid> just to be sure
[14:32] <jglanz> Hi all, never chat with the sparkfun guys online!
[14:33] <Pici> jglanz: okay? this is #ubuntu-server though.
[14:33] <jglanz> I had a random question, I'm building my first project enclosure which includes several components, I purchased an enclosure, and board from you guys...question is should I be soldiering or wire wrapping, etc?
[14:33] <jglanz> sorry wrong room
[14:36] <soren> stemid: If that really yields nothing, I'd start killing processes one at a time until the space was released.
[14:46] <brendand> hello, i'm trying to use mount on a cloud image but it's failing - the same command i use for desktop/server images works
[14:49] <aandy> hi guys, couldn't find a BIND/named chan, so hope it's ok i ask here. any users of bind9 who can review a config of mine and help me figure out why views won't work properly?
[14:50] <Sling> try #bind
[14:50] <Sling> (and /msg alis list *bind* to search for all channels matching the name 'bind')
[14:50] <aandy> ah, i joined on the wrong network, that explains it. d'oh. thanks Sling ;)
[14:51] <Sling> np
[14:57] <jamespage> zul, re lxc mp - one test failed for me when test building
[15:01] <zul> jamespage:  yeah fixing it now
[15:02] <BrixSat> how do i resize a partition on a live server?
[15:02] <BrixSat> i mean i know its with resizefs but im kind of afraid.
[15:05] <ivoks> hallyn: have you seen issues with running qemu inside kvm, with both acpi and apic enabled? :)
[15:05] <ivoks> hallyn: acpi and apic enabled in qemu
[15:07] <hallyn> ivoks: no.  smb is investigating some kvm-in-kvm nesting issues...
[15:07] <hallyn> you're not trying qemu64 in kvm32 I assume?
[15:07] <ivoks> it's 64 in 64
[15:07] <ivoks> same behavior is observed with qemu inside of esxi
[15:08] <ivoks> once i disable acpi and apic, system boots
[15:08] <ivoks> with it, softlockups or blkid timeouts
[15:09] <hallyn> is there an open bug for this?  which releases/kernels?
[15:09] <smb> There is something subtly broken with events/traps in nested vmx, but I have not really gotten down to it
[15:09] <hallyn> smb: but ivoks is talking about unaccelerated qemu inside kvm
[15:09] <ivoks> hallyn: there isn't; i'm still trying to come up with a stable reproduces
[15:09] <ivoks> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[15:09] <hallyn> ivoks: love those
[15:10] <smb> hallyn, Ah ok this would be different then
[15:11] <PaulePanter> Hi. The server in the data center does not restart running Ubuntu 12.04.
[15:12] <PaulePanter> The problem is I only have network connection and do not know what is going on.
[15:12] <BrixSat> This is my gparted http://paste.ubuntu.com/6179921/
[15:12] <PaulePanter> I can ping it but I cannot log in using SSH.
[15:12] <PaulePanter> Sending Ctrl + Alt + Del using the hoster’s robot interface works too.
[15:12] <PaulePanter> How do I know that there is no fsck going on?
[15:13] <ivoks> PaulePanter: how long was it up?
[15:13] <PaulePanter> Maybe half an hour.
[15:13] <ivoks> PaulePanter: before reboot
[15:13] <PaulePanter> Four days.
[15:13] <ivoks> PaulePanter: do you have raid on it?
[15:14] <PaulePanter> In the rescue system, running fsck manually it says everything is fine.
[15:14] <PaulePanter> ivoks: Yes, it is a RAID.
[15:14] <ivoks> PaulePanter: and both disks are working?
[15:14] <PaulePanter> They should. The rescue system could mount it.
[15:17] <ivoks> PaulePanter: did you check logs while in rescue system?
[15:18] <ivoks> if you can ping it, it at least mounted filesystem and set up networking
[15:19] <PaulePanter> ivoks: I checked the logs. It looks like it was up as `/var/log/wtmp` had a recent time stamp.
[15:19] <PaulePanter> ivoks: /var/log/upstart/syslog strangely did not have something from the last reboot though.
[15:20] <ivoks> PaulePanter: i wouldn't expect anything in that file
[15:20] <ivoks> PaulePanter: since that file will contain only errors on starting the syslog daemon
[15:21] <PaulePanter> ivoks: Ah.
[15:21] <PaulePanter> How do I disable services from a rescue system?
[15:21] <PaulePanter> Or do I go into a chroot and do it from there?
[15:22] <ivoks> ubuntu rescue mode or hetzner's rescue image?
[15:22] <PaulePanter> Hetzner’s rescue image.
[15:23] <ivoks> you have to enter chroot
[15:25] <PaulePanter> Thanks. Did that now.
[15:35] <jamespage> soren, ok - I'm confused
[15:35] <jamespage> soren, I turned on CSRF protection
[15:35] <PaulePanter> So in the rescue system looking at the time stamps of the files in `/var/log/*`, only `wtmp` has an updated time stamps and in there, the reboots (Ctrl + Alt + Del) are noted.
[15:36] <jamespage> and python-jenkins worked without your patch...
[15:36] <PaulePanter> All other files have the time stamp of time it worked the last time.
[15:37] <zul> jamespage:  lxc patch fixed
[15:47] <jamespage> zul, time to chat about horizon and writing to /etc/openstack-dashboard?
[15:48] <zul> jamespage:  always
[15:49] <jamespage> zul, well
[15:49] <zul> jamespage:  dont do that? :)
[15:49] <jamespage> the code out of the box does this generate_or_get call
[15:49] <jamespage> zul, I think that should be pointing at /var/lib/openstack-dashboard
[15:49] <jamespage> with www-data permissions?
[15:49] <zul> sounds like a plan
[15:49] <jamespage> OK
[15:51] <zul> jamespage:  are you going to patch it up?
[15:51] <jamespage> zul, just trying to figure out how the compression is working now as well
[15:52] <zul> jamespage:  ack...im just in the middle of fixing keystone and going to look at this oauth business again
[15:59] <jamespage> zul, lesscpy is borked
[15:59] <jamespage> bin/lesscpy uses python3
[15:59] <jamespage> but it uses argparse in the code
[15:59] <zul> lovely
[16:00] <zul> ill take a look
[16:04] <zul> roaksoax/jamespage/adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/oauth2-refresh/+merge/188639
[16:24] <adam_g> zul, is oauth2 now completely optional?
[16:24] <zul> adam_g:  yeah
[16:24] <adam_g> cool
[16:24] <zul> its still in the requriments.txt file though but if you dont have it installed it will be ignored
[16:25] <jamespage> zul, raising a bug for python-lesscpy
[16:25] <zul> jamespage: ack
[16:43] <jamespage> zul, bug 1233749
[16:43] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[16:46] <jamespage> zul, is there a precendence for sneaking a source package from Debian into Ubuntu?
[16:48] <zul> jamespage:  not that i remember
[16:48] <zul> check on #ubuntu-release
[17:01] <jamespage> zul, adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/horizon/fixup-secret-storage/+merge/188659
[17:03] <zul> jamespage:  looks good to me, i think the generate_or_read_from_file should be upstream as well
[17:34] <mgriffin> can i determine if some package has a command (or perhaps i can only know it is a file) in it called "foo"?
[17:34] <mgriffin> i don't have the foo command and want to know if some package can provide it
[17:35] <mgriffin> oh, i forgot that was built in to ubuntu by default :D
[19:02] <soren> jamespage: Well, then your CSRF protection is broken.
[19:03] <soren> jamespage: It's supposed to reject the requests. My Jenkins certainly does.
[19:03] <jamespage> soren, hmm - I'll poke it again tomorrow
[19:03] <jamespage> somethings wonky
[19:18] <soren> jamespage: np
[20:37] <Hexch> hi
[21:11] <Overand> Hey - question.  How can I figure out what stuff I've got on this system that i installed via apt. vs installed via .deb files?
[21:12] <sarnold> Overand: I guess you'll need to compare /var/log/dpkg.log* files against /var/log/apt/history* files. There may be a better option, but that's the first that comes to mind..
[21:12] <Overand> woof.
[21:12] <Overand> Yeah.
[21:13] <Overand> Maybe there's a way I can look at what's installed vs. what's avaialble via apt - while not 'technically correct' i think in this case it might work.
[21:13] <sarnold> Overand: aha, try 'apt-cache pkgnames' for a starting point there.
[21:18] <Overand> sarnold: it's not even an ubuntu-server machine, it's a legacy debian box.  most of my curerent machines are ubuntu-server
[21:40] <pentest> can some one help plz http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2178061
[21:56] <sarnold> pentest: do you have a dhcp server listening on virbr0 to hand out IP addresses? do LTSP guests need IP addresses? Or a dhcp server? do you need to configure NAT on your machine to forward packets for those guests? Or is that the role of LTSP? (Can you tell I know nothing about LTSP? :)
[22:03] <pentest> sarnold: let me try to answer...
[22:03] <pentest> if you see the dhcpd.conf setting.. I have changed the ip settings there..
[22:04] <pentest> so technically there should a dhcp server.. however when I booted up lubuntu guest OS ..I cannot get an ip
[22:04] <pentest> so that is the prroblem..
[22:05] <pentest> yeah..virtual box do not seem to communicate well virbr0 virtual adapter it seems
[22:05] <sarnold> pentest: check netstat -lnp output, make sure that the dhcp server is listening on the correct interfaces / addresses
[22:05] <sarnold> pentest: check iptables -L output to make sure that the guests are allowed to communicate with the host?
[22:06] <pentest> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:53        <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      2261/dnsmasq
[22:07] <pentest> http://pastebin.com/QehtnebV
[22:07] <pentest> seems good for me here
[22:08] <pentest> I think key will be able to use virtual box created adapter rather than libvirt
[22:20] <gartral> ok all, i'm gearing up to do a drive swapout from a dying drive to a new one, would it be easily do-able to just dd the drives from current to new?
[22:21] <sarnold> gartral: if the drive is truly going, you might need to use something like dd_rescue or myrescue, in case IO errors prevent plain dd from working
[22:22] <sarnold> gartral: (maybe conv=noerror is good enough these days? there has to be a reason for those tools, perhaps they were writte nbefore conv=noerror..)
[22:22] <sarnold> gartral: anyway I've had success with dd to move filesystems around before, that part ought to work fine.
[22:31] <pentest> just ignore me.. testing something
[22:33] <pentest> just ignore me.. testing something
[22:34] <pentest> just ignore me.. testing something
[22:35] <gartral> sarnold: the drives' internal error recovery is working fine, but the drive is slowly going due to old age..
[22:35] <sarnold> pentest: you may wish to /join #test if you're going to be doing too much more..
[22:35] <sarnold> gartral: oh good :)
[22:39] <pentest> just ignore me.. testing something
[22:41] <pentest> just ignore me.. testing something
[22:44] <pr3d4t0r> Greetings.
[23:43] <metasansana> Is there a way to listen for syslog events from an application?
[23:53] <qman__> metasansana, you can configure syslog to log a given application's events to a specific log file, and then watch that log file with inotify
[23:55] <metasansana> qman__, I'm try to write a small monitor that will react to certain syslog events.
[23:55] <qman__> there's also the quick, dirty, and performance-impacting way of: tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep myapp
[23:55] <qman__> metasansana, if it's for one specific application, doing it the way I first mentioned is probably best
[23:56] <qman__> if it's for multiple, use the main syslog file
[23:56] <qman__> with inotify
[23:56] <qman__> tail -f adds unnecessary disk activity and should really only be used interactively
[23:57] <metasansana> I supposed I will have to parse the file after being notified.
[23:57] <qman__> yes
[23:57] <metasansana> ick
[23:57] <qman__> alternatively you could write your application to accept the syslog data directly, and have syslog log to that file handle
[23:57] <metasansana> Can I mock a file with an application? Like an input stream or something?
[23:57] <qman__> yeah
[23:58] <metasansana> ah yes
[23:58] <metasansana> qman__, thanks! I'll google how to do that
[23:58] <qman__> not sure whether unix sockets or named pipes or something else would be better (not a programmer) but it's definitely possible to do it that way


[00:27] <xangua> dx46CQ-PC: what's wrong with grub?
[00:27] <dx46CQ-PC> xangua, there's no grub when I boot the MacBook
[00:28] <xangua> dx46CQ-PC: grub failed to install?
[00:28] <dx46CQ-PC> xangua, I get a grub-efi error when installing lubuntu
[00:28] <xangua> !grub2
[00:28] <dx46CQ-PC> the installation crashes when it gets the the part where grub is installed
[00:30] <xangua> dx46CQ-PC: what release? I had a message error like "grub could not be installed" just a few days ago on my very first UEFI install
[00:31] <xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair used this tool and manage to install grub for me
[00:31] <dx46CQ-PC> xangua, the latest release
[00:32] <dx46CQ-PC> xangua, can boot repair be used over the commandline without a gui?
[00:33] <xangua> Well it's a graphical tool....
[00:34] <xangua> Why? Don't you still have Lubuntu live?
[00:36] <dx46CQ-PC> xangua, no... I am coping mint linux to the SD card with dd at the moment...
[00:38] <xangua> Well you can perfectly try the instructions with mint, and if still doesn't work, continue and try installing mint
[00:41] <dx46CQ-PC> xangua, ill give it a shot
[01:31] <dx46CQ-PC> linux mint worked out of the box... lubuntu must have something wrong with the installer...
[02:01] <Steptoe> Hi
[02:01] <Steptoe> Can someone help me..
[02:01] <Steptoe> Im trying to install lubuntu 16.10 on my dell mini 10v
[02:02] <Steptoe> the setup fails...with unable to install grub2....
[02:03] <Steptoe> the dialog will no allow me to continue....
[02:03] <Steptoe> i have tried various other flavors of linux on the same machine, and none have had this problem...
[02:03] <Steptoe> is this a known issue?
[02:04] <dx46CQ-PC> Hi Steptoe
[02:04] <Steptoe> hi
[02:04] <dx46CQ-PC> I had the same or similar problem today.
[02:05] <Steptoe> so it not just me and my old hardware
[02:05] <dx46CQ-PC> I just gave up on it and installed linux mint..
[02:05] <dx46CQ-PC> The laptop I was trying to install lubuntu 16.10 is a 2008 MacBook
[02:05] <Steptoe> ok
[02:06] <dx46CQ-PC> so, not only your old hardware at least
[02:06] <Steptoe> is there a support ticket for this issue
[02:06] <dx46CQ-PC> not sure, haven't had time to look
[02:06] <dx46CQ-PC> This might help: xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair used this tool and manage to install grub for me
[02:06] <Steptoe> i reboot to a live image, and did an fdisk
[02:07] <wxl> hey if one or both of you guys can repoort this but and the other of you confirm it that would be awesome
[02:07] <Steptoe> looks like the setup go half way through setting up the boot partition before it bombed out
[02:07] <wxl> headed home
[02:07] <dx46CQ-PC> wxl, later
[02:07] <Steptoe> how do i report it?
[02:08] <dx46CQ-PC> launchpad I'm guessing
[02:09] <Steptoe> newbie alert....what is launchpad?
[02:10] <krytarik> !bugs
[02:12] <Steptoe> i can install mint and ubuntu just fine...so im guessing the problem is specific to lubuntu
[02:13] <Steptoe> the problem is with the installer...so i would have to say, install mint to report a problem with lubuntu.....life's too short...;-)
[02:15] <Steptoe> just thought i see if anyone had any ideas......
[02:16] <Steptoe> but i guess i'll have to wait until this release has matured
[02:17] <krytarik> ..Without anyone reporting that bug?
[02:45] <dx46CQ-PC> I'll report it tomorrow
[02:45] <dx46CQ-PC> night everyone
[03:08] <Steptoe> bye
[09:56] <WolfMethod> Hello
[11:38] <murrekatt> i just installed Ubuntu Server Standard 16.04 on my raspberry pi 3 and would like to setup the wifi...can someone help? i have ethernet working and am logged in
[11:41] <leszek> murrekatt: if you have network-manager installed there is a neat little tool called nmtui which is basically an ncurses user interface for the network manager
[11:43] <murrekatt> don't have that it seems
[11:43] <murrekatt> i read something about wireless-tools but don't know about that too much. is that another route or same?
[11:45] <leszek> another one
[11:46] <leszek> is it really 16.04 ? Is network-manager really installed. Because nmtui should be there http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/network-manager/filelist
[11:46] <leszek> otherwise you can also use wpa_supplicant if you like to
[11:47] <leszek> first you need to create a config with wpa_passphrase. Basically something like this wpa_passphrase SSID Password > my_wpa_config.cfg
[11:48] <leszek> and then execute wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iYOURWLANDEVICE -cmy_wpa_config.cfg
[11:48] <leszek> last one as root I guess
[11:51] <murrekatt> i installed from here: https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/download/
[11:51] <murrekatt> Ubuntu Server Standard 16.04
[11:51] <murrekatt> maybe i should not use this? happy if you can explain if there's an important difference
[11:51] <murrekatt> i don't need the gui
[11:52] <murrekatt> don't find wpa_supplicant either :(
[12:46] <suomayu_> I have this error: Unable to find or create trash directory on my ntfs partitions. I've tried some suggestions based on searching like adding uid, create the trash folders but to no avail. Can someone please help me?
[12:58] <suomayu_> sigh
[16:29] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone.
[16:29] <Zoohouse> !bug
[16:32] <Zoohouse> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[16:32] <Zoohouse> !ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[16:33] <Zoohouse> oh in my terminal...
[16:33]  * Zoohouse facepalms
[17:09] <Zoohouse> I just typed up my bug report on launchpad and press submit. I can't find my bug report...
[17:11] <Zoohouse> Can't find the bug report I just typed...
[17:11] <Zoohouse> I dislike launchpad.net...
[17:15] <Zoohouse> dang, I think I submitted it to Lubuntu Art... Trying to submit that bug with grub from yesterday.


[14:51] <charlie-tca> I made some updates to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility/doc/StartGuide
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I think it is now usable
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Are the accessibility personas on wiki.ubuntu.com ? It would help to be able to refer to them
[18:46]  * UndiFineD is
[18:46] <UndiFineD> AlanBell is too
[18:46] <UndiFineD> JanC_ is, but I think under a different username
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Not people, the personas to describe the different disablilies
[18:47] <UndiFineD> oh :p
[18:47] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: not yet
[18:47] <UndiFineD> misunderstood
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks, AlanBell
[18:47] <charlie-tca> np, UndiFineD
[18:47] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: the faisal one is coming along nicely
[18:47] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/faisal
[18:47] <charlie-tca> great! I know we will have some really good information to work with in them
[18:48] <AlanBell> etherpad is a nicer tool for editing stuff frequently, they will go into the wiki for long term slower updates and presentation
[18:50] <charlie-tca> yup. that works for me. I just keep trying to refer to them in the wiki and I hit a dead end
[19:01] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas
[19:01] <AlanBell> that is now the index page for the personas
[19:02] <AlanBell> and we can move them one by one from the pad to the wiki as appropriate
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Yay! progress
[19:16] <MichelleQ1> AlanBell: working on Henrietta's persona is on my task-list for next week.
[19:17] <AlanBell> great
[19:18] <AlanBell> I am going to continue on Faisal and get that one really polished to use as a template for the others
[19:18] <MichelleQ1> awesome


[05:04] <Guy1524> is it possible to install ubuntu touch on a samsung rugby pro?
[10:14] <V99_> thanks Walex2, i go to try
[23:25] <Guy1524> hello is anyone there?
[23:27] <Guy1524> hello?


[00:58] <RagnarokAngel> what happened to lib32ncurses5 and lib32stdc++ ?
[02:56] <linuxman410> anyone here
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> poor linuxman410 :(
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> nobody was here
[14:13] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i was here, but i do go away for a minute or two on occassion
[14:13] <xTEMPLARx> yeah me too!
[14:13] <xTEMPLARx> a minute or two! that's it!  that's the ticket!
[14:13] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: how are you doing?
[14:14] <xTEMPLARx> sleepy
[14:14] <xTEMPLARx> tired
[14:14] <xTEMPLARx> could use some more sleep and a maid
[14:14] <wrst> amen xTEMPLARx
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> how was your Christmas and New Year, Senor Stout?
[14:16] <wrst> very good just hard to get back in the groove, and yours?
[14:16] <xTEMPLARx> pretty good.  spent half of it sick as a dog, but smiles were still had :D
[14:17] <wrst> ha ha me too, stomach virus? flu? both?
[14:18] <xTEMPLARx> oh, flu
[14:18] <xTEMPLARx> it was funny
[14:19] <xTEMPLARx> I had the week of Christmas off for vacation, as well as the monday after (NYE).  Well, the MONDAY of the week before Christmas vacation, my boy was sick.  I went in tuesday, started feeling worse and worse, then started getting all the signs of a fever.  almost talked myself out of going to the doc on the way home, but I went anyway... they said I set the flu alarm off faster than anybody else they'd tested this season.  no work for a
[14:19] <xTEMPLARx> week for me
[14:20] <xTEMPLARx> so I essentially got two weeks off thanks to that
[14:22] <xTEMPLARx> granted, one of those weeks was no fun
[14:22] <xTEMPLARx> but still
[14:23] <wrst> yes two weeks off is good, i had a week and half and the week of christmas i had a stomach virus
[14:23] <wrst> lasted badly for 3 days but didn't feel too good until last week
[14:23] <xTEMPLARx> no fun at all
[14:23] <wrst> we are like old people talking about our ailments
[14:23] <xTEMPLARx> hey at least I'm not taking 7-9 different pills two times a day yet
[14:23] <xTEMPLARx> YET
[14:24] <wrst> ha ha :)
[14:39] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: you should, it can be fun
[14:39] <cyberanger> esp when mixed with a 20-yr old scotch
[14:40] <wrst> cyberanger: you trying to turn xTEMPLARx into an addict? :)
[14:40]  * wrst can't wait for his ubuntu phone, he will use it with his ubuntu tv... oh yeah...
[14:40] <cyberanger> wrst: no, well, yes, a linux addict
[14:40] <wrst> ha
[14:41] <cyberanger> wrst: and then there will be unity in your home
[14:41] <cyberanger> pun intended
[14:42] <wrst> ha well they will have to get a product actually, well, produced! first
[14:43] <xTEMPLARx> I actually think the ubuntu phone looks pretty darned sweet
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> but, it hinges upon performance
[14:44] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i do too actually, but some issues, first distribution, probably internationally it has an ok chance
[14:44] <wrst> second its totally gesture based, i fear they made some basic errors in win8 aka the charms menu... well where is something telling me its there
[14:45] <wrst> its almost like a keyboard shortcut method to touch, and how many typical users use keyboard shortcuts
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> I installed win8 on my windows partition of this machine... not impressed
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> completely pointless to install it on anything other than a tablet-style system
[14:48] <wrst> yeah i tried the RC and preview stuff I was NOT impressed
[14:49] <cyberanger> 810G downloaded, AWS is gonna love me this month
[14:49] <cyberanger> ...and it's not done
[14:52] <wrst> ouch cyberanger, do they charge based on data use with your plan?
[14:55] <cyberanger> I'd bet when we start talking 3TB, plans go out the window
[14:56] <wrst> ha ha probably so!
[14:56] <wrst> that probably violates some type of use clause  in the EULA
[14:56] <cyberanger> no, it's actually with their blessing
[14:57] <cyberanger> but I think they charge per Xbyte
[14:57] <cyberanger> idk if it's kb, mb, gb or what
[14:58] <cyberanger> but AWS rates aren't too bad (and this project will be funded in a few ways at the end, just gotta suffer the costs upfront)
[14:58] <wrst> they aren't bad I have thought of running one for my server stuff as limited as it is wouldn't cost much at all
[15:00] <cyberanger> I found for that, for me, linode is cheaper
[15:01] <wrst> hmm that would be good also
[15:01] <wrst> i may try to do that this year
[15:01] <cyberanger> but this much data, and the Import/Export service, it's really about the only option
[15:10] <wrst> cyberanger: and they have a connection that rocks so you can make fairly quick work of moving that much data
[15:14] <cyberanger> well, fairly quick is still slower than I'd like
[15:15] <wrst> yes but probably quicker downloading it there than transferring over my home network
[15:43] <cyberanger> had to say, there's a bottleneck between servers
[15:43] <cyberanger> but it beats my own links
[15:45] <wrst> i'm trying to decide on what to do with my home network
[15:52] <cyberanger> simple, asterisk, turn it into a home phone network ;-)
[15:53] <wrst> ha
[16:00] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm still considering just making one also, i have a spare box now that I could make it work
[16:01] <wrst> not for sure if its got enough umph however
[16:37] <wrst> hello average_guy
[17:50] <average_guy> hi wrst, anything happening
[17:51] <wrst> lunch for me average_guy, how about with you?
[17:51] <average_guy> I sittin here tryin to figure out irssi
[17:52] <average_guy> never used it before


[04:34] <yiyeon> !pin
[04:34] <ubot2`> Factoid 'pin' not found
[04:34] <yiyeon> !ping
[04:34] <ubot2`> Factoid 'ping' not found


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[18:05] <cwayne> any chance I could get someone to take a look at my app?  I'm sure theres issues and I'm eager to get them fixed
[18:18] <cwayne> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/807/
[22:54] <cwayne> hello, is there any documentation about the voting process?
[23:16] <cwayne> mhall119: ping


[01:51] <pleia2> packing up to head down to redwood city \o/
[03:42] <izdubar> Andchat seems to work ok
[06:06] <jyo> jtatum: http://lwn.net/Articles/477030/ :)
[06:16] <jtatum> jyo: cool! that's neat
[19:46] <nhaines> akk: I didn't know your SCALE talk had flying sharks!
[19:47] <akk> Yep!
[19:47] <akk> Though some people are never satisfied -- they complained that it didn't have lasers too. :)
[19:48]  * MarkDude missed all sorts of cool stuff at Scale
[19:50] <Corey> Does anyone have a good California based dedicated server host that offers Ubuntu?
[19:52] <jledbetter> lol
[19:52] <jtatum> Corey: for dedicated, have you looked at he.net ?
[20:22] <cjohnston> anyone in the SFO area not doing anything tomorrow night and want to play tour guide?
[20:23] <pleia2> I was supposed to, but I am lame and had to cancel :)
[21:16] <bkerensa> A tour of San Francisco International? :P
[21:17] <bkerensa> cjohnston: What do you hope to see? Exploratorium, Palace of Fine Arts? :)
[21:30]  * Darkwing sighs
[21:31]  * MarkDude thinks best named travel abbrev is for Bakersfield
[21:31] <MarkDude> BFD
[22:00] <cjohnston> bkerensa: sorry... Golden Gate Bridge atleast.. i dont know what else there is to see
[22:02] <nhaines> cjohnston: the Exploratorium is way fun.
[22:03] <cjohnston> I also don't know how much time I have.. we dont get out until 1800
[22:04] <bkerensa> cjohnston: Go to Golden Gate Park and see the Buffalo
[22:04] <bkerensa> :D
[22:04] <MarkDude> China town and Northbeach are good places - if you are near
[22:04] <bkerensa> pleia2: They still have Buffalo yes?
[22:04] <MarkDude> Wild ones, that will trample you?
[22:04] <bkerensa> also could take a trip to Ocean Beach and see the huge Dutch Windmill
[22:04] <bkerensa> MarkDude: The ones in Golden Gate Park yeah... They used to have a whole herd
[22:04] <bkerensa> :D
[22:05] <MarkDude> Northbeach has Italian places to eat, as well as seedy element of danger
[22:05] <MarkDude> Like much of the City does
[22:06] <MarkDude> Depends on what you want. Chinatown is a great place to get some cheap gifts for folks
[22:06] <MarkDude> Going to the Piers is safest easiest bet
[22:06] <MarkDude> very tourist, but fun to go to Fishermans wharf
[22:07] <MarkDude> Eat crab there
[22:07] <MarkDude> Go eat desert in Northbeach
[22:07] <MarkDude> If you want to see Hippies, go to the Haight
[22:08] <MarkDude> Much depends on what time of day. And how much your sense of adventure (danger) is
[22:09] <MarkDude> Golden gate trip can take time depending on traffic, and you can see it from the wharf
[22:24] <bkerensa> cjohnston: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204895884401240139637.0004b852df1c0b48d60ed&msa=0&ll=37.79461,-122.408842&spn=0.004527,0.010568
[22:24] <bkerensa> there I made a map with the buffalo and some places to check out
[22:24] <bkerensa> :D
[22:24] <cjohnston> ok
[22:24] <cjohnston> ty
[22:25] <bkerensa> MarkDude: North Beach is dangerous? LOL dont scare the guy... So long as he stays out of Hunters Point and doesnt go flashing money in the Tenderloin I'm sure he will be fine
[22:25] <bkerensa> :P
[22:26] <MarkDude> Yes true. Well as far as seedy, I meant some of the nearby places of business
[22:27] <cjohnston> This is why I like FL.. I can carry
[22:30] <Darkwing> Yeah Chris, you LOVE packing heat. :P:P
[22:32] <cjohnston> you know it
[22:32] <cjohnston> your just jealous Darkwing
[22:32] <Darkwing> hehehe yup. :P:P
[22:33] <Darkwing> Ohhhh wow.
[22:33]  * Darkwing rubs eyes.
[22:33] <cjohnston> what


[00:10] <Omega> Hey!
[00:33] <Muscovy> How do you like the new font, Omega?
[00:55] <Omega> I haven't tried the RC yet
[01:04] <Muscovy> http://i.imgur.com/toTFq.png
[01:04] <Muscovy> I quite like it. :D
[01:19] <Omega> It is nice
[06:00] <UndiFineD> good morning
[06:34] <Silasle> Was there something about launchpad translations in the meeting?
[06:57] <UndiFineD> hi Silasle well, we want to ofcourse, but we need to promote the tour at UDS, before we can get it into the install cd, so english is first priority, deadline 23rd of oct
[07:47] <MichealH> UndiFineD: I can set up the Launchpad Translations
[07:49] <UndiFineD> MichealH, you'r not assigned as one of the team administrators, so that would be hard to do
[07:50] <MichealH> Thats the issue
[07:50] <UndiFineD> not sure if someone else here is
[21:17] <Moiso>   /me
[21:17]  * MichealH /me?
[21:19] <Moiso> hm i'm trying a new irc app in my symbianphone sorry
[23:54] <Muscovy> Hello all. :D


[12:54] <nikolam> Hi, I think I removed Amazon addon to unity and ubuntu one. But I still get commercial software offerings while searching dash home.
[12:55] <nikolam> Does that means it searches local application cache from software center or it search it online?
[12:59] <nikolam> anyone actually using unity? Since I see people everywhere migrate to xfce/xubuntu, gnome, other distributions
[12:59] <nikolam> I personally do not get unity and idea behind it, and was sing it for several days
[13:00] <nikolam> I install epps they go away hidden in "all apps"
[13:00] <nikolam> I am installiing apps in software centre, it get stuck.
[13:00] <nikolam> since install I get dozen of crash reports etc.
[13:02] <nikolam> when I log in, before unity displays, i have broken screen on top side for several seconds, etc etc (12.10)
[13:09] <popey> nikolam, what did you remove?
[13:09] <popey> the usual way people remove the shopping lens is "sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping"
[13:10] <nikolam> popey, yes that is right.
[13:10] <nikolam> also I removed Ubuntu one.
[13:11] <nikolam> I was just wondering if software center is searching locally or remotely and if I can remove commercial applications offerings from dash, to not to interfere with everyday use.
[13:12] <popey> you can set a filter in the applications lens, yes, so it only shows locally installed apps
[13:12] <nikolam> precisely not to have "more suggestions".
[13:12] <nikolam> oh it is great
[13:12] <nikolam> But I wouold need that for every user on machine
[13:14] <popey> kinda dumbs down the dash a bit when you disable all this stuff
[13:14] <nikolam> I figured I filter with right-click. not so intuitive.
[13:14] <popey> there is a filter option in the top right, no need for right click
[13:17] <nikolam> yes, only they are filters per type of app. and it seems that removing "software center" removes "more suggestions" and I wanted that.
[13:17] <nikolam> I suppose I will find some more clever use of dash in the future, if any, other then making uninstalled apps visible.
[13:19] <nikolam> I still get that "searching in the dash" legal notice. Does that means searching in dash is still sent to third parties? (even after removal of unity-lens-shopping and ubuntu one)
[13:19] <popey> no
[13:19] <popey> it doesnt remove that legal notice
[13:19] <Daekdroom> The video lens does send it to third parties too, I think.
[13:21] <nikolam> oh. so I need to remove video lens too.
[13:21] <popey> or just flick the switch which turns them all off in the privacy settings
[13:22] <nikolam> popey, yes but how to do it for all users and future usernames. I suppose only by removing
[13:23] <nikolam> You are right, after removing all unity parts that sends data over internet, I end up with not much
[13:23] <popey> you could do it via a gsettings command
[13:24] <popey> why do you want to disable these things?
[13:25] <nikolam> popey, because I got terrified reading searching the dash - legal notice.
[13:25] <popey> terrified by what?
[13:27] <nikolam> terrified by the thing I did not consult any online source I got terrified just by reading it. And it reads that third parties can have all my usage information ad searches etc.
[13:28] <popey> not all
[13:28] <popey> and not usage information
[13:28] <nikolam> I was not also informed about that before installing. I also removed ubuntu one in previous LTS, by seeing it making connections over internet.
[13:29] <nikolam> And now things are all over the place.
[13:29] <nikolam> popey, I understand. But...
[13:30] <nikolam> If i can make it behave, I can use it. if I can not control what information it sends from me and to who...
[13:30] <popey> it's not misbehaving
[13:30] <popey> we're pretty up front about what it's sending
[13:30] <popey> and to where
[13:31] <nikolam> I have a feeling, like it does not work for my interests. My own system. But I have no clue what it is doing. And I think it is all about having an OS.
[13:32] <nikolam> Anyway, I am looking on fixing next leak, video lense.
[13:33] <popey> I find it difficult to understand the logic of someone who uses gmail, yet doesn't want data "leak" from their system.
[13:34] <nikolam> popey, it is simple. Gmail has it usage case for public mail. And presents just right usage terms.
[13:34] <nikolam> I routinely block google java scripts, DNS and google search.
[13:49] <nikolam> I don't want my own system to be someone's shopping center.
[15:46] <nikolam> after re-loggin, filter for software center is ON again..
[22:52] <robin-gloster> hi, where would i report bugs on unity.ubuntu.com?
[23:00] <Jswing> robin-gloster, no on https://launchpad.net/unity
[23:01] <robin-gloster> Jswing do website bugs really belong there?
[23:02] <Jswing> what do you mean by "website bugs" ?
[23:04] <Jswing> You wan to report a bug on the unity website ?
[23:04] <robin-gloster> Jswing: yep
[23:08] <robin-gloster> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/ after building nux it should be added that unity-env must be called so that unity will build succesfully
[23:12] <Jswing> Then I think you are on the right channel but you should ask your question on european working hours
[23:14] <robin-gloster> Jswinng: qill do
[23:14] <robin-gloster> will*