[01:54] <ardaz27> anyone have experience getting linksys usb200m working with xubuntu?
[01:55] <Jester45> !logs
[01:55] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[01:55] <ardaz27> thanks
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> if your sudoer file gets corrupt, how can you fix it?
[03:50] <vidd_laptop> without reinstalling?
[03:52] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: did you try sudo visudo?
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> got the same error message
[03:53] <j1mc> what is the error message?
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 20 <<<  sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 20
[03:54] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: well, go to the line 20 of that file and look what is wrong
[03:54] <j1mc> does: sudo nano /etc/sudoers work?
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> no
[03:54] <j1mc> you can't open the file at all?
[03:54] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: why not?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, no, same error
[03:55] <TheSheep> ah, sudo
[03:55] <TheSheep> :)
[03:55] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: boot into recovery mode :)
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, from grub?
[03:56] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: how did it get corrupted?
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> uhm....mistype
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> was looking at the file....
[03:57] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: well, you have to get into root acocunt somehow
[03:58] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: recovery mode is one way
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> but will it work with sudo out of commission and no root passwrd?
[04:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: doesn't recovery mode give you the root console right after boot?
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> idk...i never used it b4
[04:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: if not there are other methods -- passing init=/bin/bash to kernel options or booting from livecd
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> anything that can be done remotely?
[04:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: find a security hole and exploit it ;)
[04:01] <j1mc> vidd_laptop: visudo validates the sudoers file prior to saving it.  i admit to using sudo nano /etc/sudoers file previously myself, but ... not anymore.
[04:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: you *really* wouldn't want it to be possible remotely :)
[04:02] <vidd_laptop> oh sweet.....
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> i DID make a user that aliased root....
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> im in
[04:04] <TheSheep> and use visudo :)
[04:05] <TheSheep> even if you don't really know vi -- every admin should know vi
[04:11] <pinkwerks> Hi, just booted up xubuntu 7.04 live cd, xfce4-panel fails to start... is this fixed in a newer (beta) version of the cd?
[04:11] <pinkwerks> i can start it manually just fine, but i'm trying to pass this off to my mom
[04:12] <j1mc> pinkwerks: what are the specs on the system?
[04:12] <pinkwerks> dell laptop, inspiron 9300
[04:12] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I think the problem only appears on some computers
[04:12] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: let me check the bug report
[04:12] <pinkwerks> k was, looking thru the bugs but didn't find anything, then again maybe i didn't query it right :-P
[04:13] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I can't get used to using this search -- it almost seem self-aware and malicious
[04:14] <pinkwerks> also, if I close the terminal which i lanuch `xfce4-panel &` from it kills the panel - weird.
[04:14] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: that's normal -- the processes form a tree in linux
[04:14] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: if you kill one process, you also kill all its children
[04:15] <pinkwerks> um, but i backgrounded it...
[04:17] <j1mc> pinkwerks: an inspiron 9300... does it have a PIII or PIV or... ?  and how much RAM?
[04:17] <pinkwerks> j1mc : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz, MemTotal:      1035696 kB
[04:18] <pinkwerks> j1mc : "centrino" not sure what that falls under
[04:18] <TheSheep> Bug #94182
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94182 in xfce "Missing panels in Xubuntu Feisty Fawn i386 LiveCD Herd 5 (dup-of: 53897)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94182
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53897 in xfce4-panel "Disappearing panels Xubuntu dapper" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53897
[04:20] <pinkwerks> TheSheep : would I be 'better off' using v6. (dapper) or just have her double click the 'install' on the desktop and be over with it?  just trying to replace winxp on an old computer
[04:20] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: it all depends on what she uses it for
[04:20] <pinkwerks> it's possible that this won't even occur on the desktop system she'll be putting it on - well just email and web
[04:20] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: many times users feel hurt by forced transition to linux, and will hate it
[04:21] <pinkwerks> TheSheep, yah well as long as it comes up with firefox and thunderbird that's all she'll need
[04:22] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I'm sure that even if the panels don't apper at the forst boot, it can be easily fixed
[04:22] <TheSheep> appear*
[04:22] <pinkwerks> TheSheep: i'll try this disk in the target system, hopefully it's a non-issue, thanks for the inputs
[04:22] <pinkwerks> ps - slick stuff!
[04:26] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: hmm... that duplicate bug shows that the panel disappearing happens often when yuo have faulty cd
[04:26] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: have you tested the cd for defects?
[04:26] <pinkwerks> TheSheep : I did the test before i used it :-/
[04:26] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: I'd advice doing it before install anywyas
[04:26] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[04:30] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: found out why the bug search is so malicious on me -- it won't display duplicate bugs
[04:30] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: by default, that is
[04:30] <pinkwerks> TheSheep: well I don't have much else to add, other than I hope it doesn't bork on the other machine - should I add some hardware info or anything to one of the bugs?
[04:31] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: might be useful. Even a simple 'mee too' sometimes helps
[04:32] <pinkwerks> Thanks again!
[04:37] <pinkwerks> Is there a handy command that will some up my system config for bug reports?
[04:39] <TheSheep> hmm.. there was something...
[04:39] <TheSheep> !info canoe
[04:39] <ubotu> canoe: Log file aggregator and report tool (Gtk2 frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (feisty), package size 7 kB, installed size 120 kB
[04:39] <TheSheep> !info upstreamdev
[04:39] <ubotu> upstreamdev: Log file aggregator and report tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0-2 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 180 kB
[04:40] <TheSheep> pinkwerks: but I have no idea how to use it
[04:41] <pinkwerks> TheSheep : okay tanks
[06:55] <Jester45> skipping non-regular file "kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest" anyone know why?
[06:57] <Jester45> oops
[06:58] <Jester45> wasnt copying the whole think
[06:58] <Jester45>  im trying to make a iso image mirror but when i run "rsync -r   rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ ./releases/" all get is a whole bunch of skipping non-regular file "kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.manifest" error or other files but same error
[07:15] <tyler__> anyone know how to get liquid wars game on xubuntu 6.06?
[07:15] <tyler__> grabbed some debs and well libc6 is older version
[07:15] <tyler__> dont' want to mess anything up :/
[07:16] <Ghostvirus> it's in the repos
[07:17] <tyler__> what is in the repos?
[07:17] <Ghostvirus> liquid war
[07:17] <tyler__> for 6.06 dapper?
[07:18] <Ghostvirus> according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/games/liquidwar it is
[07:18] <tyler__> ahh I got it now
[07:18] <tyler__> thought it was called liquid war(s)
[07:18] <tyler__> synaptic search function can be a bit crappy at times :(
[07:19] <Ghostvirus> yeah, sometimes it's best to just type in a single word and see if what you're looking for comes up
[07:19] <tyler__> umm..?
[07:19] <Ghostvirus> wtf
[07:20] <Ghostvirus> all of the 1337 users just got booted?
[07:20] <tyler__> hehe
[07:20] <Ghostvirus> that was weird
[07:20] <tyler__> yeah seriously
[07:20] <tyler__> that network must have had a failure
[07:20] <Ghostvirus> mmm
[07:21] <Ghostvirus> on the other hand, i'm currently connected thru the same server
[07:22] <tyler__> mrigns: omg you use aol?
[07:23] <tyler__> Ghostvirus: uh oh they coming back.. its like night of the zombies
[07:23] <juicyfruity> hello, how do I install fonts in xubuntu?
[07:23] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: fun's over
[07:23] <tyler__> juicyfruity: /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit it and play around in Settings under menu
[07:24] <Ghostvirus> juicyfruity: put them in ~/.fonts
[07:24] <juicyfruity> why should I edit xorg for fonts
[07:24] <juicyfruity> ......
[07:24] <tyler__> I dunno depends on what sort of fanciful fonts you aiming for ;)
[07:24] <ceil420> what reasons would Xorg have for using up 35% of my 512mb ram? (note: i did design a theme earlier and went back and forth testing it, but that was hours ago)
[07:25] <juicyfruity> thankyou, Ghostvirus, I was looking for some sort of frontend like in gnome!
[07:25] <Ghostvirus> juicyfruity: no problem. if you want to install fonts system-wide, toss them into /usr/share/fonts
[07:26] <tyler__> ceil420: if nothing else is using the ram then why not let it have 35%? I mean so long as it can be removed later for other apps
[07:26] <ceil420> tyler__, *can* it be removed later, when other apps need it?
[07:26] <tyler__> ceil420: could try ctrl alt backspace to reset xorg maybe
[07:27] <ceil420> tyler__, i'm trying to avoid that, cos i have an IRC bot running and it's a pain in the ass to start back up ;x
[07:27] <tyler__> ceil420: yeah I'm usually got my 512mb used up all the way and then I play a really big program and rest gets compressed down to near nothing its hard to get correct reading of ram usage
[07:27] <ceil420> (i really should give it a "on start" script to handle that crap)
[07:27] <ceil420> as long as it'll hand over the RAM when other stuff needs it, t's okay i guess
[07:27] <ceil420> i just noticed that my RAM usage was at 72% total instead of it's usual 52% :x
[07:28] <tyler__> ceil420: yeah it might slowly deteriorate over time back down to 50 some
[07:28] <ceil420> at first i thought it was Firefox raping my ram more than usual, then i looked at conky and it showed Xorg on top ><
[07:29] <tyler__> ceil420: what drivers you using for graphics anyway?
[07:29] <ceil420> uhm
[07:29] <ceil420> nvidia glx? :x
[07:29] <Ghostvirus> ceil420: i constantly have a problem with xorg eating my cpu
[07:29] <tyler__> kool I like nvidia cards
[07:29] <ceil420> not 100% sure; i had problems with it a few months ago
[07:29] <ceil420> i've been through like three of 'em
[07:30] <ceil420> Ghostvirus, Xorg never touches my CPU, and it's never this bad on my ram :o
[07:30] <tyler__> ghostvirus: if you don't have direct rendering setup that usually happens unless its a really good driver you got going
[07:30] <ceil420> usually my total CPU usage is between 2 and 8% when i'm not doin' anything (of 1.7ghz)
[07:31] <ceil420> usually my ram tops out at like 55% :x now even with Firefox closed it's at 62%
[07:31] <tyler__> ceil420: hmm there are hard drive things that comp usually does when its idle, like update search database, finish up ext3 journals, and shuffle about memory
[07:31] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i'm running on the ati driver, direct rendering and everything, on a 64 MB Radeon Mobility 7500.  no idea why xorg pushes my cpu usage up so much
[07:31] <ceil420> with Xorg accounting for a (steady, at least) 35.83% of that
[07:31] <tyler__> ghostvirus: same card here in laptop I'm on, its a dell latitude c640
[07:32] <Ghostvirus> i'm not using any compositing either
[07:32] <Ghostvirus> wtf, again
[07:32] <ceil420> netsplits ftl :x
[07:32] <tyler__> damn channel spammers :P
[07:32] <ceil420> they're rare enough on freenode tho, to my knowledge
[07:32] <ceil420> it's real bad on networks like quakenet
[07:33] <tyler__> perhaps there was a new release of something awesome?
[07:33] <Ghostvirus> why is the xfce forum so dead?
[07:33] <tyler__> most use the ubuntu forum that's why, I mean there not many xubuntu specific things
[07:33] <tyler__> kubuntu is mostly dead too I bet
[07:34] <Ghostvirus> also, whatever happened to xubuntu.info?
[07:34] <ceil420> more distros than xubuntu use xfce tho :p
[07:34] <tyler__> I need a method to do integrated ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, and xubuntu search forum :)
[07:34] <tyler__> maybe some way to manage logging into them too
[07:35] <Ghostvirus> the xfce mailing lists are pretty active though
[07:36] <Ghostvirus> the thing i liked about xubuntu.info was that there was a forum specifically for xubuntu users, kind of like http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php
[07:38] <tyler__> ghostvirus: any good xfce reads you know of?
[07:39] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: not really. the xfce wiki has some interesting bits, but that's all i know of
[07:40] <Ghostvirus> xfce seems to be considered for old computers, and for power users
[07:40] <tyler__> I was kind of hoping on some current development topics
[07:40] <tyler__> xfce is awesome :)
[07:40] <tyler__> and most say linux is for power users so I'm hoping xfce stays true to its nature
[07:41] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce4-dev/
[07:41] <tyler__> ah thx
[07:41] <Ghostvirus> that mailing list is pretty active
[07:41] <Ghostvirus> i subscribed to it, but a lot of it is over my head, as i'm no programmer
[07:43] <tyler__> you post any to it?
[07:43] <Ghostvirus> nope. just subscribed today. and i don't want to make a nuisance of myself anyway
[07:44] <Ghostvirus> i mostly just want to stay up-to-date on what's happening
[07:44] <Ghostvirus> but yeah, not too many distros use xfce by default. most popular ones seem to be zenwalk, dreamlinux and xubuntu
[07:46] <test3r> i got issues  :p
[07:46] <tyler__> dreamlinux really tweaked the heck outta xfce there, lookts sort of like a mac
[07:46] <test3r> call it i need a BS in CS
[07:46] <test3r> call it sumthin. but i should b able to get a job ya htink
[07:47] <test3r> besides lame-o job
[07:47] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: yeah i know. that's why i don't like it. i hate that dock thing
[07:47] <tyler__> is that kiba dock?
[07:47] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i think it's engage
[07:48] <tyler__> ah some them beryl users like using the kiba dock for special effects though
[07:48] <Ghostvirus> test3r: are you drunk? heh
[07:48] <test3r> =O
[07:48] <test3r> i just run Conky
[07:48] <test3r> drunk? no i wouldnt say that
[07:49] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i could never get into the whole dock thing. it works on os x, but not on anything else i've seen
[07:49] <test3r> but i AM pretty tired . i think i have to sleep, wake, sleep then wake for my work shift
[07:49] <Ghostvirus> test3r: work sucks :(
[07:50] <test3r> its just tough switching over to night shift for my body what whatever reason
[07:50] <tyler__> ghostvirus: I never liked it either, why not just put tiny desktop icons there? like cut desktop in half bottom has small icons
[07:50] <test3r> yeah u could fit alot more in the same place
[07:50] <tyler__> processing refresh on that would be a mess
[07:50] <Ghostvirus> tyler__: i dunno. i've always liked the 1 panel on he bottom setup, like windows
[07:51] <Ghostvirus> i sound like a heretic
[07:51] <tyler__> yeah! if panel is on top its like having mouse buttons reversed to left handed
[07:51] <tyler__> can't function right
[07:51] <test3r> i stil use two pannel default setup
[07:51] <tyler__> besides you have to break your neck looking up at screen and tilting laptop up
[07:51] <test3r> with a slew of usermade icons on the top lol
[07:52] <tyler__> hey anyone here have an irc client that outputs new posts on top?
[07:52] <tyler__> then why have a desktop like that!?
[07:52] <Ghostvirus> my setup is pretty minimal. i'm running at 1024x768 so space is precious
[07:52] <TheSheep_> tyler__: because it's *your* way that's backwards ;)
[07:52] <tyler__> nah I sort of like having a hidden panel that pops out on the right
[07:52] <TheSheep_> tyler__: you're just conditioned
[07:53] <test3r> Dinosaurs! RUN!
[07:53] <Ghostvirus> rofl
[07:53] <Ghostvirus> nice exit right there
[07:53] <TheSheep_> folr
[07:53] <tyler__> Ghostvirus: rawrrgh
[07:54] <TheSheep_> too much of xkcd, apparently
[07:54] <tyler__> xkcd?
[07:54] <TheSheep_> tyler__: .com
[07:54] <Ghostvirus> TheSheep: hey look, a new one: http://xkcd.com/c283.html
[07:54] <tyler__> hehe nice
[07:55] <TheSheep_> tyler__: it's amazing
[07:55] <Ghostvirus> you guys read perry bible fellowship?
[07:56] <Ghostvirus> http://www.pbfcomics.com/
[07:56] <Ghostvirus> best damn webcomic out there
[07:56] <TheSheep_> maybe we should move over next door to #xubuntu-offtopic?
[07:56] <Ghostvirus> i'm there
[07:58] <Ghostvirus> so you guys ever try zenwalk?
[08:27] <siimo> hi anyone know of any weird XFCE bug in Gutsy causing Xorg lockups about 5 mins in from starting X
[08:53] <light[afk] > hiya, can anyone help me automatically have my CPU governor change when I plug in my laptop?
[10:15] <Dual> hello every1
[10:15] <Dual> im trying to format/install xubntu feisty over ubuntu edgy! the instalation reach 54% and hangs there!
[10:15] <Dual> now i cant start up with xp nor linux!
[10:16] <Dual> at boot it gives me grub error 15
[10:21] <TheSheep_> Dual: what is it doing at 54%?
[10:21] <TheSheep_> 'generating anthy dict'?
[10:21] <Dual> copying files
[10:21] <Dual> and stops
[10:21] <Dual> there
[10:22] <TheSheep_> Dual: have you checked the cd for defects?
[10:22] <Dual> ya i did
[10:22] <Dual> it had one error
[10:22] <Dual> so i burned it again and again and again
[10:22] <Dual> did it 5 times!
[10:22] <TheSheep_> !md5
[10:23] <Dual>  ii did it as well
[10:23] <Dual> they dont have the hash of xubuntu 7.04
[10:23] <Dual> the latest is 6..
[10:23] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[10:23] <TheSheep_> how come?
[10:23] <TheSheep_> Dual: well, if the cd is broken, there is small chance it will work :/
[10:23] <Dual> TheSheep_ check it
[10:24] <Dual> TheSheep_ its not! thts the thing..
[10:24] <Dual> i tried 4
[10:24] <Dual> and i even went and bought a new 100 cd pack just to b sure
[10:24] <TheSheep_> Dual: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/MD5SUMS
[10:25] <Dual> ok TheSheep_ just a sec lemme check
[10:25] <Dual> k its calculating
[10:26] <Dual> meanwhile.. i downloaded the iso on 2 seperate occasions! using a download manager
[10:26] <Dual> would tht cause a prob?
[10:26] <TheSheep_> shouldn't
[10:26] <Dual> hmm
[10:26] <Dual> theyre different :S
[10:27] <Dual> tried the 2 i386  theyre both different!
[10:28] <TheSheep_> Dual: look on the bright side -- your cd burner is ok :)
[10:28] <Dual> lol
[10:28] <Dual> ya well wanna use my desktop in the near future though..
[10:28] <Dual> cant even format with xp!
[10:28] <Dual> it shuts down by itself when i try to delete the C partition
[10:28] <Dual> im thinking of zapping it
[10:29] <Dual> but i have 9 gb of IMPORTANt data over it :S
[10:29] <TheSheep_> Dual: how long would a new download take?
[10:29] <Dual> forever
[10:30] <Dual> 15 kb.. :S
[10:30] <TheSheep_> Dual: you can try downloading DSL or some other small distro, prepare partitions with it and then install xp (just for the time being)
[10:30] <Dual> i could do it at work though theres download limitation
[10:30] <Dual> ya i could do tht
[10:30] <Dual> how small is "small distro" ?
[10:30] <TheSheep_> Dual: there are linux dikettes :)
[10:31] <Dual> am a newbie when it comes to linux! i tried ubuntu and then decided to switch to xubuntu and all this mess happened
[10:31] <TheSheep_> Dual: you don't have the ubuntu cd anymore?
[10:32] <Dual> no
[10:32] <Dual> bought the pc with ubuntu allready installed
[10:32] <TheSheep_> always check the checksum before burning, and the cd for defects before installing -- this simply saves time and hassle
[10:32] <Dual> true
[10:33] <Dual> i shouldve though i was a bit excited bout the xubuntu issue since my desktoip is a low end pc..
[10:33] <Dual> and ubuntu were kinda making it hang every now and then
[10:33] <TheSheep_> Dual: maybe you have a LUG nearby and someone could help you with his livecd
[10:33] <Dual> a frind has red hat
[10:33] <TheSheep_> Dual: or there is a magazine that has some linux attached to it
[10:34] <Dual> anyway could u guide me to the "small distro" u told me about!
[10:34] <TheSheep_> Dual: better this than nothing
[10:34] <TheSheep_> Dual: let me see what there is -- I haven't checked recently
[10:34] <Dual> ok thank you:) srry if im bothering you with this
[10:39] <TheSheep_> Dual: ok, there seem to be no diskette-based distros recently :/
[10:39] <TheSheep_> Dual: the smallest I see are aboiut 50MB
[10:40] <Dual> well thts gr8
[10:40] <Dual> its perfect i could get it in 30 min
[10:40] <Dual> could u provide me a link plz
[10:40] <TheSheep_> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
[10:41] <Dual> thank you
[10:41] <Dual> so i do the installation exactly like other distro right?
[10:41] <TheSheep_> Dual: this is a live cd
[10:41] <TheSheep_> Dual: it has an option to copy itself on the hard drive though
[10:42] <TheSheep_> Dual: it has a basic set of applications, including firefox
[10:42] <TheSheep_> Dual: ain't pretty, but should do until you get something better
[10:42] <Dual> ya exactly
[10:42] <Dual> thank you
[10:43] <Dual> and once again sorry if i bothered
[10:43] <Dual> ill give it a try and if anythign came up ill get back ...
[10:43] <Dual> once again
[10:43] <Dual> thanks
[10:44] <TheSheep_> no problem
[03:38] <tinin> Hi! Could someone show me how to connect a xubuntu pc to a router?
[03:53] <kafran> I'm thinking my resolution so small :S
[03:53] <kafran> and when I try to change, its so stranger :S
[04:30] <k_> im having a bit of an issue with plugin menus in firefox.  whenever i have my browser on my second monitor (xinerama) - none of my menus show properly.  is there a way to fix this?
[04:31] <k_> its like firefox expects 1024x768 but its 1280x1024
[05:00] <cheeseboy> hi
[05:00] <cheeseboy> my pc has terrible specs
[05:00] <cheeseboy> and i cant upgrade
[05:00] <cheeseboy> any way i can make it faster?
[05:06] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: you can run something like fluxbox or icewm
[05:07] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: i have an old computer here at work and with a debian base install with fluxbox ontop i use 27mb of ram at an idle fresh login
[05:07] <cheeseboy> but i want to be able to run xfce and other programs
[05:08] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: well you can run all programs you want from within either fluxbox, xfce, icewm, gnome, kde, etc...
[05:09] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: but to run xfce you might want to try uninstalling things you don't need or use
[05:09] <cheeseboy> i installed from command line
[05:22] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: installing from command line doesn't really make a difference
[05:46] <BFTD> hey slow-motion
[05:46] <slow-motion> hi BFTD
[05:47] <BFTD> nice day eh?
[06:02] <kafran> how to burn an dvd iso to a dvd from comand line?
[06:03] <Jester45> !dvd-tools
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <Jester45> !dvd+rw-tools
[06:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd+rw-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <Jester45> ok, install dvd-rw-tools
[06:05] <Jester45> dvd+rw-tools*
[06:14] <abo> hello wireless not working with network-manager i hear there is some shell script available to make it work ?
[06:21] <abo> maybe another app then the network-manager ? is there another way ?
[06:22] <Jester45> its kinda dead in here
[06:23] <abo> yes it is
[06:27] <abo> i used to run suse it worked there so my wireless is supported by kernel, so the configurations is only not correct
[06:27] <Jester45> hey cellofellow vidd said its ok to run a test site on his server
[06:27] <Jester45> or not...
[06:36] <abo> i'm going to try to configure it again, try some new triks :(
[06:39] <MrMist> Hi all
[06:40] <MrMist> I'm wondering.. Previously I've installed XUbuntu with the standard settings. Now I've got a separate boot-partition, where I'd like GRUB to reside. How do I do this ?
[06:41] <Jester45> i think grub resides in the Master Boot Record, aka hd0
[06:42] <Jester45> i think it has to stay there unless you use something else to point to the new location
[06:43] <MrMist> Hmm
[06:43] <MrMist> I've installed Gentoo from before, and there I made a separate partition for GRUB and the kernel
[06:44] <Jester45> im might be wrong
[06:44] <Jester45> its probably my windows showing
[06:45] <dan40> how do you throttle the cpu and HD?
[06:46] <MrMist> How about alternate install ? Is that what I'm after ??
[06:46] <Jester45> hey cellofellow vidd said its ok to run a test site on his server
[06:47] <cellofellow> Jester45: sweet. I'll do that a bit later, I have schoolwork first.
[06:47] <Jester45> but, he erased his sudoers list :) so he cant make a ftp user right now
[06:47] <cellofellow> Jester45: so, do I have something like /home/cellofellow and vidd.us/~cellofellow available?
[06:47] <cellofellow> dang
[06:48] <Jester45> yes
[06:48] <cellofellow> sounds like a livecd+chroot to the rescue situation.
[06:48] <Jester45> yep, but its a headless server thats colocated that doesnt have a cd drive
[06:49] <dan40> how do you throttle the cpu and HD? I heard that with Ubuntu you can do that.
[06:49] <MrMist> throttle the CPU ?
[06:49] <cellofellow> you need hardware that supports it
[06:50] <MrMist> I've got a Core Duo laptop, and it supports throttling only because the default operating speed is 1GHz/core (to save the battery)
[06:50] <dan40> This is a laptop that I am interested in throttling
[06:50] <MrMist> It's automatic
[06:50] <Jester45> !repeat | MrMist
[06:50] <ubotu> MrMist: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:51] <MrMist> Jester45: Huh ??
[06:51] <dan40> oh..I guess I was mistakin I thought you could lower the cycles on any app
[06:51] <Jester45> eeer
[06:51] <Jester45> thats for dan40
[06:52] <MrMist> Jester45: Hehe.. OK :)
[06:52] <Jester45> you can use load balancing or you can also limit the clock rate of a cpu
[06:52] <dan40> ok, how do you limit the clock rate?
[06:53] <Jester45> the number of level is called steppings
[06:53] <dan40> yeah..thats what I read about...steppings
[06:53] <MrMist> Is there any pros or cons about having a separate boot-partition?
[06:53] <dan40> I couldn't remember the terminology
[06:53] <MrMist> Wouldn't it make things easier if installing multiple Linux-versions f.eks. ?
[06:54] <Jester45> run cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep stepping to see if you can use it
[06:54] <dan40> !steppings
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about steppings - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <Jester45> mrigns, you dont want to mix kernels unless you custom made them, ubuntu makes their own kernels redhat makes other
[06:54] <MrMist> Cool. My CPU does :D
[06:55] <dan40> result ..steppings: 10
[06:55] <Jester45> then you can do 10 diffrent levels
[06:55] <Jester45> whats the cpu
[06:55] <Jester45> do cat /proc/cpuinfo to find out
[06:56] <dan40> k...one sec
[06:56] <MrMist> Jester45: Yeah, I know. But having separate OS'es would work, right? One partition for XUbuntu, one for gentoo etc. Of course, the programs have to be installed separately for each OS
[06:57] <dan40> result: Genuine Intel Pentium III 846.666 Mhz
[06:57] <MrMist> Still, only one version of GRUB could be run.
[06:57] <Jester45> MrMist, yes, but each distro shouldnt use the same kernel because each distro makes their own kernels, the only reson to use the same kernel would be a extreme lack of space a custom kernel of your own making or the vanilla kernel
[06:58] <Jester45> they can use the same grub
[06:59] <Jester45> hiya hyper_ch
[06:59] <hyper_ch> hiho Jester45
[07:00] <Jester45> vidd erased his sudoers file :)
[07:01] <hyper_ch> Jester45: why?
[07:01] <MrMist> Jester45: I'm not talking about using the same kernel, I can see that. Each OS would have it's own kernel. But the argument for putting the kernel into the boot-partition, might be to lessen the access time or something. Different kernels might reside in one partition, right? I could set GRUB to point to separate partitions for "/root" for each respective kernel
[07:01] <hyper_ch> btw, alinghi won today
[07:01] <dan40> Jester45: ok if I now know that I can do ten steps, can I adjust that from the command line?
[07:02] <dan40> alinghi? Like as in sailing?
[07:02] <Jester45> dan40, im not sure you might want to look at google
[07:02] <hyper_ch> dan40: yes
[07:03] <hyper_ch> 3 : 2 (Swizz vs. NZL)
[07:03] <dan40> Was that Americas cup? Luis Vuitton?
[07:03] <hyper_ch> America's Cup
[07:03] <dan40> Oh snap..I didn't know that was going on
[07:03] <Jester45> kafran, did you like the netsplit?
[07:03] <hyper_ch> dan40: well, here it's a big thing :)
[07:04] <dan40> Where is here? I don't even know where the America's cup is being held this year?
[07:04] <MrMist> Jester45: I'm totally into the idea that precompiled OS'es saves a LOT of time. However, I need to have the possibility to play around with Gentoo as well. I'm doing lots of Gentoo-related stuff at work.
[07:04] <Jester45> should be in america
[07:05] <hyper_ch> dan40: Valencia, Spain
[07:05] <Jester45> MrMist, you can have more than one kernel in a partition just make sure gentoo doesnt write over ubuntu's or the other way around (maybe write protect the file?)
[07:05] <dan40> ah...Val-enth-e-a
[07:06] <dan40> I wish I had the money to go sailing in different places around the world
[07:06] <Jester45> kafran, growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/path/to/file.iso
[07:06] <hyper_ch> Jester45: america's cup is there where the last winning team came from
[07:06] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and as you may know, it's a bit hard to have a sea regatta in Switzerland ^^
[07:07] <dan40> hehe
[07:07] <dan40> very true
[07:07] <Jester45> if i won i would say i lived in Antarctica so everony would have to go up there and freeze while i stay south and warm
[07:08] <hyper_ch> lake constance isn't quite suited for America's cup... but it would be fun
[07:10] <MrMist> Jester45: It's easy, really. When compiling the kernel, Gentoo doesn't automatically put it in the /boot partition. One has to copy it there. So there's no real risk involved :D
[07:10] <dan40> there was some talk about having it in San Francisco, where I used to live, many years ago. The bay has a huge sailing history and culture. It would be well received.
[07:11] <MrMist> "If you're going to saaaan fraaan siscooo"
[07:11] <dan40> oh no ...not singing
[07:11] <MrMist> <- singing out loud
[07:12] <Jester45> they should do it where i live, missouri the river would make the race fun
[07:13] <dan40> I am sure everyone would jump at the chance to put their $100 million dollar boats in the river
[07:13] <Jester45> yep :)
[07:15] <Jester45> i would
[07:15] <MrMist> 100$ million? :|
[07:15] <MrMist> On BOATS?
[07:16] <Jester45> not boats they spend it on a boat
[07:16] <dan40> well they usually have a backup too.
[07:17] <MrMist> Either way... I'm just baffled by the simple amount of money involved
[07:17] <dan40> It a big deal...
[07:18] <dan40> The boats are SUPER high tech. The bleeding edge of design.
[07:18] <MrMist> Here I'm scratching my head about what to do.. Trying to get hold of an apartment in Oslo, but it seems to expensive for me...
[07:18] <MrMist> and that's like... 250-300k $ !?
[07:19] <MrMist> dan40: I don't doubt it. But it still seems a LOT of cash.
[07:20] <hyper_ch> I wouldn't say no to that cash
[07:20] <MrMist> I'm a math guy... I'm taking a masters degree in it:P And there's no denying the fact that money drives much of the research being done...
[07:20] <MrMist> BUT... the research for what? Creating faster boats?
[07:21] <MrMist> Or creating faster cars? (in the case of Formula1 etc.)
[07:21] <Jester45> or intel making a 80 core cpu?
[07:22] <MrMist> Jester45: Now, THAT research I can understand :) But a CPU is more a tool than a new engine
[07:23] <dan40> yes, popular hull design definately takes influence from America's cup designed boats.
[07:23] <MrMist> dan40: Jester45: Actually, I'm studying splines. The fundamental basis in designing boat hulls etc :P
[07:24] <dan40> Most of the money, like formula 1, comes from Corp sponsors. In the cas of Alinghi, I think its british telecom and UBS
[07:27] <MrMist> dan40: Yeah. It probably does. Guess there's lots of money to be made by tuning engines new ways etc. too.
[07:27] <MrMist> One should be able to use some of it when making new engines etc.
[07:27] <dan40> yep
[07:28] <dan40> darn, the only thing I am finding on stepping uses Gnome
[07:40] <dan40> whats the command to see what kernel I am using?
[07:40] <Jester45> uname -r
[07:42] <dan40> ah ..k. got it. thanks
[07:52] <MrMist> Anyone installed XUbuntu with a separate boot-partition ?
[07:59] <grazie> MrMist: yep
[08:01] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[08:02] <Enola_Gay> Does xubuntu have the same update manager like Ubuntu?
[08:02] <Jester45> yes
[08:02] <Jester45> its doesnt have the notifier but it still auto updates
[08:02] <Enola_Gay> Which mail client is used? Where can I see the main differences/features of Xubuntu?
[08:03] <Enola_Gay> How?
[08:03] <Jester45> and haas the little program that you can manually check for updates
[08:03] <Jester45> mozilla-thunardbird is used
[08:03] <Jester45> thunderbird*
[08:03] <Enola_Gay> Ubuntu has an auto updater too but only for security updates if you activate it.
[08:03] <Enola_Gay> So how this works without notify?
[08:04] <Jester45> it will auto install them but not tell you
[08:04] <Enola_Gay> All possible updates?
[08:04] <Enola_Gay> :)
[08:04] <Jester45> umm i think so
[08:05] <Jester45> i dont use them i use a cron job
[08:05] <Jester45> or tab what ever you wanna call it
[08:07] <Enola_Gay> Does it use the network manager?
[08:10] <Enola_Gay> What are the penalties?
[08:10] <b52lap> hi
[08:10] <b52lap> i got this error  network-admin
[08:11] <b52lap> (network-admin:16125): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[08:11] <hyper_ch> Jester45: auto-updater in xubuntu??? where?
[08:12] <hyper_ch> dvd decrypter rocks :)
[08:14] <Jester45> hyper_ch, you might want to look at synatic a bit more it has options to auto download and install
[08:14] <Jester45> i like the auto download my self
[08:14] <hyper_ch> Jester45: auto-install is not activated by default and neither is auto-download
[08:15] <hyper_ch> and then, I don't use synaptic ;)
[08:15] <Jester45> yea... but it still has it
[08:15] <Jester45> nor do i
[08:15] <Jester45> i used it once
[08:15] <Jester45> i was looking for games
[08:15] <hyper_ch> Jester45: the way you said it it sounded like it will auto-download and auto-install
[08:15] <Jester45> and it has a batter layout
[08:15] <Jester45> there is 2 options
[08:15] <Jester45> or 3
[08:15] <Enola_Gay> auto updater is very important imho or at least notification
[08:16] <Jester45> no auto anything auto downoad but no install or auto download and autoinstall
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: auto-update isn't important
[08:16] <Enola_Gay> not for nerds and geeks
[08:16] <Jester45> Enola_Gay, hyper_ch is right its not important at all
[08:16] <Enola_Gay> but for normal people
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: I check everyday for updates... just a habit from the pre-releases where there are everyday updates :)
[08:16] <Jester45> its a very nice addition
[08:16] <Enola_Gay> you are a nerd :-D
[08:16] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: hmmm, you use linux... that would qualify you as a geek
[08:17] <Jester45> dependson how you are using "use linux"
[08:17] <Enola_Gay> I know, but I want to install Linux on Computers of normal people like my mother and so on :)
[08:17] <Jester45> somepeople use linux without knowing that you replaced windows
[08:17] <Enola_Gay> that's the plan
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Jester45: normal is what the average does
[08:17] <Jester45> im above normal
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Jester45: and the average number of people don't use linux
[08:18] <hyper_ch> Jester45: hence you are not normal when using linux
[08:18] <Jester45> the normal linux user is a geek
[08:18] <hyper_ch> yeah
[08:18] <Enola_Gay> I know but I think Linux is perfect for Newbies since is secure and has everything they need
[08:18] <hyper_ch> "normality" depends on your reference group
[08:18] <Jester45> but there is an increasing amount of those geeks replace windows on peoples machines for them
[08:18] <Enola_Gay> and in many cases easier to manager because of app updates and so on
[08:19] <hyper_ch> Enola_Gay: it is by design more secure than windows... but that won't stop you from making it open like windows if you want to
[08:19] <Jester45> yea i say dependingon what they do its a lot simpler than windows because of the package manger with updates
[08:20] <Jester45> like run wine with root powers :)
[08:20] <hyper_ch> Jester45: I also think that the repos make it simpler and and more secure as you know those are trusted packages
[08:20] <Jester45> i dont trust them :)
[08:20] <hyper_ch> right now ripping dvds with wine+dvddecrypter
[08:20] <Jester45> hyper_ch, why not just use acidrip
[08:21] <hyper_ch> Jester45: dunno... I just know how to handle dvd decrypter even with some scratched dvds
[08:21] <Jester45> i think acidrip is much better
[08:21] <Jester45> because it uses mencoder
[08:22] <Jester45> and mencoder is god of encoding
[08:22] <hyper_ch> Jester45: it's ripping... not encoding
[08:22] <Jester45> are you making an iso ? or avi
[08:22] <hyper_ch> wohoo, gpl3 is out
[08:22] <hyper_ch> iso
[08:22] <Jester45> o
[08:23] <Jester45> well, you could use dd then
[08:23] <Jester45> :) its simple
[08:23] <hyper_ch> Jester45: not with scratched dvds
[08:23] <Jester45> dont scratch your dvds
[08:24] <hyper_ch> I didn't...
[08:24] <hyper_ch> that happened on its own
[08:24] <hyper_ch> ^^
[08:24] <Jester45> or better yet, use torents to get a new copy :)
[08:25] <Jester45> well im off to work
[08:28] <b52lap> any one got an idea               xhost
[08:28] <b52lap> xhost:  unable to open display "0:0"
[08:31] <hyper_ch> now that was interesting
[08:53] <ed__> does anyone here have experience setting up and getting to work nomachine NX server?
[09:16] <ed__> does anyone have experience setting up and getting to work nomachine NX server?
[09:16] <not_Jester45> !repeat
[09:16] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:17] <geck0> does anyone know how to add the "activity meter", like ubuntu has, to Xubuntu
[09:17] <geck0> so when I click a program, in the task bar it will say "starting firefox..." for instance?
[09:40] <cheeseboy> can i limit the amount of ram a program uses?
[10:21] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: man ulimit
[10:29] <BFTD> I have a PDF document and i want to take a page out of it and place it in its own PDF document
[10:31] <TheSheep_> BFTD: pdfcrop
[10:33] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep_
[10:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep_: did you know WAP hacking is easy?
[10:34] <TheSheep_> hyper_ch: it's normal html
[10:34] <BFTD> !info pdfcrop
[10:34] <ubotu> Package pdfcrop does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:34] <BFTD> ?
[10:34] <hyper_ch> TheSheep_: sorry, I meant WPA :)
[10:34] <BFTD> TheSheep_ where do I get that program?
[10:35] <TheSheep_> BFTD: nevermind, use pdftk
[10:35] <BFTD> ah thaks TheSheep_
[10:35] <TheSheep_> BFTD: 'burst' will spliti t into singlep ages
[10:36] <BFTD> TheSheep_ are you having a brain fart?
[10:44] <tinin> hi, what should i change to fix the sreen resulution
[10:44] <tinin> during boot
[10:45] <tinin> I've got an old monitor and i need to set vga=789
[10:46] <tinin> but i can't find where do i need to change it
[10:47] <maxamillion> tinin: that should be in your grub.conf
[10:47] <tinin> ok
[10:48] <TheSheep_> maxamillion: you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[10:48] <tinin> yeah
[10:49] <tinin> i couln't find grub.conf
[10:49] <maxamillion> TheSheep_: yeah ... that too
[10:49] <maxamillion> :P
[10:49] <maxamillion> sorry
[10:49] <maxamillion> i get my files mixed up
[10:50] <tinin> does anyone have an 800x600 monitor?
[10:53] <tinin> I may have found where it fits in ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the alternatives
[10:54] <tinin> ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
[10:54] <tinin> # defoptions=quiet splash locale=es_ES
[10:54] <maxamillion> tinin: just add vga=789 at the end of the line for the one that loads the kernel
[10:55] <tinin> aaaah thanx
[10:55] <tinin> i thoght i had to uncomment that
[10:58] <tinin> oh
[10:59] <tinin> now i can see the boot sccreen, but only one part, it seems bigger than my screen
[10:59] <tinin> but this is better
[11:01] <maxamillion> tinin: well ... as long as things are improving :)
[11:02] <tinin> yeah, now if i had internet on it, it would be great
[11:03] <tinin> but it does not seem to "just work" with my router
[11:03] <maxamillion> tinin: yeah, thats because xubuntu and your router both are set to negotiate via dhcp by default
[11:04] <tinin> I need this pc for my mother and i was learning xfce. Is there any tool to change net parameters?
[11:05] <tinin> I mean any other than the "network settings"
[11:05] <hyper_ch> tinin: what's not working there?
[11:07] <vidd_laptop> tinin, you CAN set it manually by configuring the /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:07] <tinin> I copied there all the settings from the other pc i run (with kubuntu) except that i set up a different ip
[11:07] <tinin> Is there any way to know what happens
[11:07] <tinin> ping
[11:07] <tinin> netstat
[11:07] <tinin> ifconfig
[11:07] <tinin> ?
[11:08] <vidd_laptop> tinin, are you using the network-admin tool?
[11:08] <vidd_laptop> or are you manually editing the config file?
[11:09] <tinin> srorry, i come back in a min
[11:15] <tinin> here, i was searching for another cable to conect the xubuntu pc, because right now i need to unplug my pc from the net to connect the old one
[11:16] <tinin> vidd_laptop i was using the network-admin tool
[11:16] <tinin> i did not know where that config file was
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> that is fine
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> do you want the "old" computer to have a static ip?
[11:17] <tinin> yes
[11:17] <tinin> i think
[11:17] <tinin> it would be better for amule
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> ok....what is the ip address of your gateway?
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> that would be the ip address of the router
[11:18] <tinin> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:18] <tinin> yes
[11:18] <vidd_laptop> ....
[11:19] <tinin> but
[11:19] <tinin> it does not connect to the router
[11:19] <vidd_laptop> out of curiosity...what is the ip address of your modem?
[11:19] <tinin> each time i put that on firefox
[11:19] <tinin> ip address of your modem?
[11:19] <tinin> how should it look like?
[11:20] <tinin> its a router
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> ok...then never mind about that....
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> open a terminal....
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> is your network on eth0 or something else?
[11:21] <tinin> sorry i only need to see some light about this, because it just don't work and i dont knw where to star
[11:21] <tinin> wait
[11:21] <tinin> i haven't got it connected now
[11:22] <tinin> if i connect i should disconnect this
[11:22] <tinin> so it would be great just to hear your opinion about what is happening
[11:23] <tinin> just tell me what to do now
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> what is your network card's name?
[11:25] <tinin> should i know it ?
[11:25] <tinin> with ifconfig?
[11:25] <vidd_laptop> eth0, eth1.....?
[11:26] <tinin> eth0
[11:26] <cellofellow> ls /dev/eth*
[11:27] <tinin> cellofellow it tells me "no such file or directory"
[11:27] <tinin> maybe because it is not connected to the router right now?
[11:27] <maxamillion> cellofellow: same here
[11:27] <maxamillion> tinin: no, i think that's just not a valid command
[11:28] <tinin> 'ahhh
[11:28] <tinin> ok
[11:28] <cellofellow> me too
[11:28] <cellofellow> I thought eth0 was in /dev. Must be somewhere else.
[11:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i believe what you wanted was "ls /dev/ | grep eth" but ... apparently eth isn't in /dev
[11:29] <maxamillion> ahhh
[11:29] <vidd_laptop> tinin, AFTER you  plug that computer in....
[11:29] <tinin> ok
[11:29] <tinin> tell
[11:30] <cellofellow> maxamillion: it isn't in /dev. Where is it then? It used to be. That was Edgy I guess though.
[11:30] <vidd_laptop> type sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[11:30] <cellofellow> does locate index /dev ?
[11:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i'm on debian etch ... its not there either
[11:30] <tinin> and then?
[11:30] <vidd_laptop> enjoy the internet
[11:30] <tinin> ahhh
[11:31] <tinin> i hope so
[11:31] <cellofellow> maxamillion: what kernel?
[11:31] <tinin> mom will be grateful
[11:31] <tinin> coming back to tell
[11:32] <maxamillion> cellofellow: 2.6.18
[11:32] <cellofellow> I got 2.6.20
[11:33] <cellofellow> I'm now confused. Where did the eth device go?
[11:34] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i don't know ... i am looking now
[11:36] <Pumpernickel> cellofellow, maxamillion: http://www.redhat.com/archives/guinness-list/2002-October/msg00031.html
[11:38] <Lectus> Hello! I tried to install IceWM on Xubuntu, but not all the programs that appear on XFCE menu appear on ICEWM menu. Can anyone help me fixing it? Or can anyone recommend a IceWM-centric distro? I'd prefer to have Xubuntu with IceWM installed and configured though. Thanks!
[11:38] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: ah, thanks .... so its kinda like the net devices are managed by a HAL style steup
[11:39] <cellofellow> Pumpernickel: ok. That makes more sense now. I suppose you can have more network devices, and do more with them, when they are in that /etc thing.
[11:41] <cellofellow> is there a cli word processor? A rich text editor in curses or something like that?
[11:42] <maxamillion> cellofellow: lemme check
[11:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: not that i know of ... might as well learn Latex for formatting ;)
[11:45] <cellofellow> ok
[11:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Misc/LaTeX-Tutorial/LaTeX-Home.html
[11:45] <maxamillion> cellofellow: its something i keep telling myself i will learn, but then i continue to use abiword because i am lazy
[11:45] <cellofellow> :) :/
[11:45] <cellofellow> LaTeX sounds so complicated.
[11:46] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, i don't doubt it is
[11:46] <tinin_> no luck :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27855/
[11:47] <tinin_> that's what i get from sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[11:47] <tinin_> and my interfaces file
[11:48] <tinin_> any other thing i can look up for?
[11:48] <maxamillion> i'm out! gotta run
[11:48] <geck0> howdy
[11:48] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, you do not have the box set with a static ip....
[11:48] <geck0> got a couple quick questions if anyone can help-
[11:49] <tinin_> ok
[11:49] <cellofellow> !ask | geck0
[11:49] <ubotu> geck0: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:49] <tinin_> maybe not now
[11:49] <geck0> 1. why can't I just click and drag to make a box around several icons to select them
[11:49] <tinin_> I tried all combinations i could vidd_laptop
[11:49] <cellofellow> 1. Cause XFCE isn't a full-featured desktop. It's more lightweight, and that is a "full feature".
[11:50] <cellofellow> geck0: next?
[11:50] <tinin_> should i try again with it as static?
[11:50] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, you need to change "dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces file to "static"
[11:50] <geck0> ah ok, so there is no way to add that feature?
[11:50] <cellofellow> not without coding it in yourself.
[11:50] <geck0> k
[11:50] <vidd_laptop> and then its hould work
[11:50] <tinin_> ok
[11:50] <geck0> next question, I tried to configure my time to auto update according to some servers after searching for how to do it
[11:50] <geck0> but it doesn't seem to be working?
[11:51] <cellofellow> geck0: are the ntp packages installed? If they are, just checking the box in time-admin should work.
[11:51] <tinin_> but i'll do it from the network tool, cause it's easier for me
[11:51] <tinin_> back again
[11:52] <geck0> I think they are, how do I check?
[11:52] <geck0> I've already done the thing where I click "keep synchronized with internet servers" and it asks if I want to add NTP support, and I chose yes
[11:53] <geck0> I have 2 servers checked in the "Select Servers" menu, however it says it's 1:30am right now. and its 5:00 PM =P
[11:54] <geck0> Also, the Synchronize now option is greyed out (like I can't click on it), if that means anything
[11:54] <cellofellow> geck0: what timezone did you set?
[11:54] <geck0> America/Chicago
[11:56] <cellofellow> should work. Is your BIOS set to UTC?
[11:56] <geck0> eek I don't know, how can I check?
[11:56] <geck0> I know how to get to the BIOS screen
[11:57] <cellofellow> dunno
[11:57] <geck0> hmm OK, I'm toying around with BIOS settings now
[11:59] <geck0> Well, I don't see any options that have a UTC in them
[12:01] <geck0> hmm I guess I'll just set the clock manually then and not worry about synchronizing it. Third Question: I've heard about pre-linking and readahead, do any of you know how to use these options, so I could potentially shorten the load time of firefox/open office, etc?
[12:03] <geck0> heh you might think this is funny...I changed my clock in the BIOS, and it was set to 2001.  Now when I booted up xubuntu again, it says /dev/sda1 has gone 2285 days without being checked, check forced.
[12:06] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, survey says?
[12:06] <tinin_>  well i changed to static ip and tried sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[12:07] <tinin_>  and nothing
[12:07] <tinin_>  i even rebooted and tried agan and nothing
[12:07] <tinin_> I got this error when i log into xfce"Could not look up for internet address for pcpunk... It may be possible to correct the problem by adding pcpunk to the file /etc/hosts on your system"
[12:07] <tinin_> it's weird, Is maybe that the network card does not work well? i've got another to put there
[12:08] <tinin_> survey says command not found
[12:09] <vidd_laptop> tinin_, on that pc, check the /etc/resolv.conf
[12:09] <tinin_> ah
[12:09] <vidd_laptop> make sure the ip address is <IP_ADDRESS> and NOT <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:10] <tinin_> there it says
[12:10] <cellofellow> geck0: don't worry about that. UTC means that UNIX expects the harware clock to be set to UTC, which is the same as Greenwich Mean Time.
[12:10] <tinin_> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:10] <tinin_> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:10] <cellofellow> geck0: so set the BIOS (hardware) clock to UTC, and then your timezone thing should check out.
[12:10] <tinin_> domain pcpunk-domain
[12:11] <tinin_> that's all
[12:11] <tinin_> those are the dns i put on the network tool
[12:12] <vidd_laptop> is that your dns servers?
[12:12] <tinin_> yes
[12:12] <tinin_> i think
[12:12] <tinin_> i copied from the pc running kubuntu
[12:13] <tinin_> that is what resolv.cof says
[12:13] <vidd_laptop> if you set it to your gateway, then it will pass the correct stuff to your box
[12:13] <tinin_> how?
[12:14] <tinin_> how should resolv.conf look like?
[12:15] <slow-motion> n8
[12:16] <cellofellow> I have a DNS mirror/server on <IP_ADDRESS>, so my resolv.conf points to that. My router is <IP_ADDRESS> and my gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>.
[12:17] <cellofellow> I use DHCP from the server to set my IP (which is still always the same) and my gateway, etc.
[12:20] <tinin_> this is what my ifconfig says
[12:20] <tinin_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27875/
[12:23] <tinin_> i'm like a blind in the jungle


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[10:46] <vigo> Laney, ping
[10:46] <vigo> I'm taking 2629, should it work in kvm or does it need to be verified on bare metal?
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2648 Preparing packages
[10:49] <Laney> vigo: Don't know, I was only involved at the edges - try asking boiko / renatu
[10:50] <vigo> Laney, ack
[10:50] <vigo> renatu, ping ^
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Preparing packages
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[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2649 zesty/mir: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/mir/noChangeRebuild.  You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
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[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Preparing packages
[11:46] <renatu> vigo, hi, yes I was testing it on kvm. but boiko or tiago can give you more details
[11:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2650 QA Signoff: Ready
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[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2651 QA Signoff: Ready
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[12:01] <vigo> renatu, https://trello.com/c/9Kp1IFda/4082-2629-2629-messaging-framework-tone-generator-messaging-app-indicator-transfer-buteo-history-service-ubuntu-system-settings-onlin
[12:06] <renatu> vigo, try install "account-plugin-sip-unity8" and "account-plugin-irc-unity8" it should allow you to create the accounts
[12:09] <vigo> renatu, messaging-app crashes with the silo installed, just tried without it and workd
[12:10] <vigo> works*
[12:11] <renatu> vigo, I will try install it to help you. Until boiko appears. He probably now better about it
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2649 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles)
[12:13] <vigo> renatu, ack, thanks!
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2616 Successfully built
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[12:45] <boiko> vigo: hello
[12:45] <renatu> vigo, looks like the zesty problem is a known issue. boiko can tell more about that
[12:46] <boiko> vigo: tiago was testing on zesty and it seems things are not working very well there yet
[12:48] <boiko> vigo: what problem are you seeing exactly?
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2605 Proposed pocket (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Release pocket (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, xenial/ubuntu-ui-extras, zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). UNAPPROVED queue (zesty/ubuntu-ui-extras)
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[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2642 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtubuntu-print). Pending binary packages (xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, zesty/unity8-desktop-session)
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2652 Preparing packages
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[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2646 Generating diffs
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[13:22] <rvr> renatu: Silo approved
[13:22] <rvr> renatu: I filed a bug for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1676428
[13:22] <renatu> rvr, thanks
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:23] <rvr> renatu: There is a problem somewhere with Unity8 dialogs, as clicking to "Open" after downloading an image with the webbrowser doesn't fully open filemanager-app
[13:23] <rvr> I see crashes
[13:24] <renatu> rvr, zesty or xenial?
[13:24] <rvr> renatu: Zesty
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahayzen, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2642 Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/qtubuntu-print, zesty/ubuntu-printing-app). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu-print, xenial/ubuntu-printing-app, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, zesty/unity8-desktop-session)
[13:26] <renatu> rvr, strange that was working during our tests. But could you report a but about that. I will try to take a look later
[13:26] <rvr> renatu: Ack
[13:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2639 Preparing packages
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[13:36] <rvr> renatu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1676434
[13:37] <renatu> rvr, thanks again
[13:38] <renatu> rvr, humm I think kenvandine has fixed that bug already. kenvandine could you confirm that ^^^
[13:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2607 Publish failed: Packaging diff requires ACK
[13:40] <alan_g> ubuntu-qa: Fixed forgotten TA for 2641. (Sorry!)
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2646 Successfully built
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[13:54] <davmor2> alan_g: thanks in the queue
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2652 Pending binary packages
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[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Preparing packages
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[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2533 QA Signoff:
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[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtubuntu). Pending binary packages (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/unity8)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Currently building (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Ready to build (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api)
[14:19] <vigo> boiko, hi, well messaging-app crashes for me and uss-online accounts hangs forever if I click on any account
[14:19] <vigo> boiko, so better move to xenial right?
[14:20] <boiko> vigo: even trunk messaging-app is giving some crashes here, so salem_ and I are debugging those, but if you want to start testing already, xenial+overlay is better indeed
[14:20] <vigo> boiko, ack
[14:20] <boiko> vigo: I have updated the silo's testing instruction with the packages needed to test, sorry I didn't include those before
[14:21] <vigo> boiko, np, thank you
[14:21] <vigo> :)
[14:21] <boiko> renatu: have you seen this spinning forever in online accounts?
[14:22] <renatu> boiko, no this is working for me
[14:22] <boiko> renatu: even on zesty?
[14:22] <renatu> yes
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/qtubuntu). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/unity8)
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[14:53] <boiko> vigo: just curious, were you testing on a native environment or on a vm?
[14:53] <vigo> boiko, I'm using kvm
[14:55] <vigo> boiko, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24261223/
[14:55] <boiko> vigo, yep, we got the crash here, just having a hard time to get a useful backtrace :/
[14:56] <vigo> when I click the group button a window shows up saying that is not pòssible sending messages atm
[14:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Ready to build (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api)
[14:56] <vigo> boiko, can you see that?
[14:56] <boiko> salem_: ^
[14:57] <boiko> vigo: would you mind pasting (preferrably in private) the output of mc-tool dump?
[14:59] <salem_> vigo, yes, if you have no accounts, or if no accounts are connected it is expected to see that message.
[15:03] <vigo> salem_, I've got the acccount added in uss
[15:03] <vigo> how can I check if it is correctly connected?
[15:03] <salem_> vigo, you can check with "mc-tool dump"
[15:08] <boiko> vigo: I'll forward your paste to salem_, ok?
[15:09] <vigo> boiko, np
[15:09] <boiko> vigo: can you just enter the onine account and see if the messaging-app checkbox is enabled?
[15:10] <salem_> vigo, if you are using ssl, you have to change the default port to 6697. So either disable ssl for testing, or change the default tcp port.
[15:10] <vigo> boiko, sure it is, just checked again
[15:10] <boiko> vigo: ok, thanks
[15:10] <boiko> vigo: just in case :)
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2649 Failed to build (xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/mir, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/unity-system-compositor). Successfully built (xenial/miral, zesty/miral, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
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[15:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Ready to build (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8)
[15:22] <vigotron> vigo, test 1,2
[15:23] <vigotron> boiko, working now
[15:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2649 Preparing packages
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[15:38] <vigo> bfiller, ping
[15:41] <vigo> just watched your comment, thank you
[15:42] <vigo> I'm using a xenial vm where irc worked fine
[15:42] <bfiller> vigo, hi
[15:43] <bfiller> vigo, the silo I mentioned is only needed on zesty when trying to create an online account from within the app (which seems broken anyway) but still need that silo to test
[15:43] <bfiller> vigo, if you create the online account directly from system-settings it's working
[15:43] <kenvandine> renatu, i don't know about the filemanager bug on downloads
[15:44] <vigo> bfiller, that's what I was about to say, it crashes for me hehe
[15:44] <kenvandine> renatu, but maybe your branch fixes that
[15:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 Publishing packages
[15:44] <renatu> kenvandine, this is because the ual was trying to launch the apps as X11. I remember that you fixed that
[15:44] <bfiller> vigo, seems messaging-app on zesty has some crashes that we are debugging. Dialer with voip on zesty should be working though
[15:44] <kenvandine> oh
[15:45] <kenvandine> i think UAL fixed that
[15:45] <vigo> bfiller, ack, thank you
[15:45] <kenvandine> does other apps work?
[15:45] <bfiller> kenvandine, renatu maybe it needs 2636
[15:45] <bfiller> with the trust prompt fixes
[15:45] <bfiller> that hasn't landed yet
[15:46] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:46] <kenvandine> likely
[15:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2649 Failed to build (xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/mir, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Pending binary packages (xenial/miral). Successfully built (xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2562 NEW queue (zesty/ubuntu-filemanager-app). Release pocket (xenial/ubuntu-filemanager-app)
[16:04] <boiko> vigo: nice it works!
[16:07] <boiko> vigo: bfiller: forgot to add one package to the list of required ones: telepathy-rakia
[16:07] <boiko> as it doesn't come from the silo I totally forgot about that one
[16:08] <boiko> vigo: sorry about that, was so focused on messaging-app that I forgot that one is needed for dialer-app
[16:08] <vigo> boiko, \o/
[16:08] <vigo> np :)
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tsdgeos, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2649 Failed to build (xenial/mir, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/mir, zesty/miral, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/miral, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[16:22] <vigo> boiko, as soon as I installed it, started to work
[16:22] <vigo> :)
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2625 Preparing packages
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[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2625 Failed to build
[16:47] <rvr> oSoMoN: Do you know why Amazon webapp doesn't launch in Unity8? (zesty)
[16:48] <oSoMoN> rvr, no
[16:48] <vigo> boiko, ping
[16:48] <vigo> I got voip working from dialer-app now but something else came up
[16:49] <rvr> oSoMoN: Not reported?
[16:49] <oSoMoN> rvr, not that I know of, but dbarth might know
[16:49] <rvr> Right
[16:50] <vigo> boiko, there is no sound within the call, I can hear the beeps before taking the call and three beeps once I hung up the call
[16:50] <vigo> but I couldn't hear bfiller or through my cell phone
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Preparing packages
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2611 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2373 Failed to build (xenial/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Ready to build (xenial/mir, zesty/mir). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api)
[16:58] <bfiller11> boiko, seeing a few issues on the silo with dialer and voip 1) no calls are every being displayed on Recents->All list. I see some on Recents->Missed but never on All
[16:58] <bfiller11> boiko, 2) I get no audio on incoming calls after accepting the call
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 zesty/unity8: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-super-hides-launcher
[16:58] <bfiller11> boiko, vigo is never getting any audio I am getting it for outgoing but not incoming
[17:02] <salem_> bfiller11, vigo  try sending a dtmf and check if that makes the sound work.
[17:04] <bfiller11> salem_, yes that made it work for me
[17:05] <salem_> bfiller11, I remember I saw that happening once when testing on qemu.
[17:06] <bfiller11> salem_, that makes it work for me, not on vm running natively
[17:07] <salem_> bfiller11, might not be related to the vm then. either audio routing or sip audio streams not being correctly setup.
[17:08] <bfiller11> salem_, seems that way
[17:12] <vigo> salem_, it is working now but just in one direction, it could be related to my mic in kvm I gues
[17:12] <vigo> guess*
[17:12] <vigo> I can hear bfiller11 correctly
[17:13] <vigo> but he does not hear me
[17:13] <salem_> vigo, yes, maybe try recording something with arecord to check if your mic is capturing audio correctly
[17:13] <bfiller11> salem_, boiko, we need to look at the audio setup and see why pressing dtmf makes it work
[17:13] <bfiller11> salem_, also any ideas why call log is not working?
[17:16] <salem_> bfiller11, let me have a quick look
[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles)
[17:17] <vigo> bfiller11, just worked with my cell
[17:17] <vigo> I could hear me through the laptop speakers
[17:17] <vigo> and the voice telling my to hang up the call
[17:17] <bfiller11> vigo, you could hear both directions?
[17:19] <vigo> bfiller11, oh no
[17:19] <vigo> I thought it was the phone too but it wasn't
[17:25] <boiko> bfiller: vigo: salem_: sorry, had to go be off for a bit
[17:28] <boiko> bfiller: vigo: if I remember correctly salem_ hit this problem of having audio only after DTMF on his VM, not sure what causes it, but comparing to empathy there is little difference in the way the gstreamer pipeline is configured :/
[17:28] <bfiller> boiko, it's not just in VM
[17:28] <bfiller> boiko, I can repeat it native
[17:29] <boiko> bfiller: yeah, I know, just saying that salem_ hit that in the vm
[17:29] <bfiller> boiko, understood but don't think it's a vm problem is what I mean. must be timing related somehow. but why would dtmf fix it either way?
[17:29] <bfiller> doesn't make sense
[17:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2626 Preparing packages
[17:30] <boiko> bfiller: from the audio routing perspective it doesn't make any sense, indeed, as audio streams and DTMF follow different routs
[17:30] <boiko> routes
[17:31] <boiko> bfiller: but it might be that rakia is simply not sending anything and when a DTMF is sent to se server it changes the contents (the streams) to start send and receive, let me check rakia's code quickly
[17:36] <vigo> boiko, is there a bug for this audio issue?
[17:36] <boiko> vigo: not a reported one (since the voip support is not on trunk yet)
[17:38] <vigo> boiko, where the best place to file it?
[17:38] <boiko> vigo: I would say telephony-service
[17:43] <vigo> boiko, ack
[17:51] <vigo> boiko, bfiller salem_ thanks!
[17:52] <boiko> vigo: thanks for testing the changes :)
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh renato bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2629 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/dialer-app). Ready to build (xenial/online-accounts-api). Release pocket (zesty/online-accounts-api). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/address-book-service, xenial/dialer-app, xenial/empathy, xenial/history-service, xenial/indicator-transfer-buteo, xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework
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[00:28] <mparillo> Congrats on Beta-1. Sorry I missed the moment.
[08:10] <bambee> apachelogger: 4 ssh keys ? on LP ?
[08:11] <bambee> I see 3 keys here
[08:11] <bambee> one per computer
[08:26] <apachelogger> bambee: ftpmaster
[08:26] <apachelogger> bambee: also if you are on quantal ... 4.9.1 needs testing from ninjas
[08:27] <bambee> I am on precise at work, however my personal laptop is on quantal. I can test it this evening :)
[08:27] <apachelogger> groovy
[08:28] <bambee> also, I will probably look at quassel+kde-telepathy for notifications (see the last discussion with Riddell yesterday) in the train this evening, at least for upstream it would be nice to get these features imho
[08:29] <bambee> because it's very boring at work to get 25 notifications for 1 message, seriously
[08:30] <apachelogger> the one about message-indicator?
[08:30] <apachelogger> and telepathy havign no message-indicator support?
[08:31] <bambee> --> be able to choose between indicator-message or kde notifications or both
[08:31] <apachelogger> cause I don't wanna crush your dreams, but from what I was told it is architecturally not exactly trivial to make telepathy do message-indicator
[08:31] <apachelogger> bambee: both sounds useless TBH
[08:31] <bambee> 2. Add support for indicator-message in kde-telepathy
[08:33] <bambee> apachelogger: I disagree, you have two great notifications system, so you should be able to choose one of them...
[08:33] <bambee> both are useful in different cases...
[08:34] <apachelogger> like?
[08:36] <bambee> indicator-message centralizes all notifications comding from IM client into one icon,  without flooding all the time with messages.
[08:37] <bambee> coming*
[08:39] <bambee> it's discreet compared to knotifications...
[10:08] <Riddell> bambee: shadeslayer has looked into having kde-telepathy support message-indicator and found some problem with it
[10:08] <bambee> ah, really?
[10:09] <bambee> I will first look into having optional notification support in quassel , I think
[10:11] <Riddell> bambee: there is a telepathy-message-indicator plugin which works, but it brings in large parts of gnome
[10:51] <apachelogger> bambee, Riddell: david quickly explained the problem with m-i in ktp in some mail thread, probably the one on kubuntu-devel from may or so
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:09] <smartboyhw> Hiyas
[13:10] <BluesKaj> what's happening ?
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Nothing I think
[13:11] <smartboyhw> well hi I wanna contribute:)
[13:13] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ooh you're into helping kubuntu?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> OOH yes LOL
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what are you into?  coding or testing or packaging or writing or supporting?
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Option 2 mostly, 4 and 5 too
[13:19] <smartboyhw> I do have a lot of experience in testing
[13:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: tried beta 1?
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Sorry got caught away with Ubuntu Studio:)
[13:21] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ?
[13:23] <Riddell> I wonder how to add you to the testers call
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Why? I do do a lot of testing:0
[13:24] <Riddell> ubottu: no, testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw
[13:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: now we can ask you on demand :)
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Oh yeah!!!LOL
[13:25] <smartboyhw> !testers
[13:25] <smartboyhw> No doesn't work
[13:25] <tsimpson> !testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw
[13:25] <tsimpson> !no testers-#kubuntu-devel is <reply> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw
[13:25] <smartboyhw> !testers
[13:25] <tsimpson> better
[13:25] <smartboyhw> OK now it works!:)
[13:26] <soee> ok, testers tested i can confirm
[13:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: all these new features need testing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Oh OK
[13:42] <debfx> there are still a bunch of issues in 4.9.1: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/4.9.1.htm
[13:44] <BluesKaj> lightdm on kubuntu 12.10 just keeps crashing here. I think there should be a second look at it. Kdm works fine . :P
[13:45] <smartboyhw> ;P
[13:45] <smartboyhw> !dev
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Help I am having a problem with my VirtualBox internet connectivity and now it stucks at retrieving file 43 of 117
[13:56] <smartboyhw> ping Riddell
[13:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: actually networking on virtualbox doesn't work for me currently
[13:58] <Riddell> and I don't know why, let me know if you find out
[13:58] <smartboyhw> AH I know, I just go and install the Kubuntu packages!
[14:02] <Riddell> BluesKaj: hmm, I don't suppose a backtrace appears?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> no Riddell , it doesn't even load , the boot process stops and I have to login with the tty and then startx
[14:04] <Riddell> oh so probably something in the logs /var/log/lightdm
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Riddell, http://pastebin.com/fSw8Mgmn
[14:14] <Riddell> "Failed to start greeter" ok not a simple issue then
[14:14] <Riddell> dunno, ask in #lightdm-kde
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I'm happy with kdm , think I'll stick with it for a while
[14:24] <allee> beta1 mentions kubuntu active.  But download section give no hint where to find it.
[14:26] <Riddell> allee: it's in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/quantal/beta-1/
[14:26] <Riddell> where are you looking?
[14:29] <allee> Riddell: sorry, I've found them already but I noticed that there no LINK in the beta1 announcement.  I had  to google for it.  So: please as a link for others
[14:37] <allee> oh, I it's in the wiki not kubuntu.org .  So I fix it myself
[14:39] <Riddell> allee: thanks :)
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I will test it tmr. Installed kubuntu-full in 12.10 but I don't wanna reboot
[14:46] <allee> fix.  added the download link in the section about kubuntu active.  That's prominent enough for a tech preview :-)
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Riddell, lightdm , is back on track after a 2nd reboot after the large upgrade to 12.10
[14:50] <BluesKaj> err, large upgrade in 12.10
[14:51] <shadeslayer> I wonder if okular got fixed
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's this about iPod support in the topic
[14:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: something in kdelibs is kaput
[14:58] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I'll take that up
[14:58] <apachelogger> so amarok goes like "wwaoh, what is an ipod?:
[14:58]  * shadeslayer searches for iPod
[14:58] <apachelogger> actually I think there is a bug about it
[14:58] <apachelogger> some dep missing or something
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ok, where does amarok usually show the iPod
[15:00] <shadeslayer> because the device notifier identifies it as a iPod
[15:01] <apachelogger> I do not know
[15:01] <apachelogger> if I owned an ipod I had fixed the issue already :P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> I have one of the newer ones
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apparently the had a exchange program, so I got it exchanged
[15:02] <BluesKaj> amarok , couldn't find the external drive containing the music files , then when it did , it insisted on autplaying files at random ...it was so messed up . I just dumped it
[15:03] <shadeslayer> "When commiting track /home/shadeslayer/Music/Music/Music/Coldplay/Coldplay - Parachutes/12 - for you.mp3 with uid amarok-sqltrackuid://86190987044bd2adceaf7122d7e4f03e we detected that the same uid is already commited. This means that you most probably have duplicates in your collection folders. The offending track is /home/shadeslayer/Music/Music/Music/Coldplay/Coldplay - For You.mp3."
[15:03] <shadeslayer> why do you even want to show a user that error
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.6.0-0ubuntu2
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I think Riddell fixed it
[15:14] <debfx> yofel_: what's kdeartwork 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1.1 "Rebuild against 4.8 libraries" about?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yer fix works
[15:22] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:23] <shadeslayer> it says Invalid
[15:23] <shadeslayer> though it works
[15:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/j5OwN.png
[15:24] <shadeslayer> wow, amarok is *buggy*
[15:24] <Riddell> go me, I don't even remember fixing it
[15:26] <shadeslayer> heh http://i.imgur.com/G4hZm.png
[15:26] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1013442
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fine, will take care of it on Monday
[15:30] <yofel_> debfx: for some strange reason kdeartwork 4.8.5 ~ppa1 was linked against libs from 4.9
[15:30] <yofel_> making it uninstallable
[15:31] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/1023225
[15:33] <yofel_> debfx: bug https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=100
[15:33] <yofel_> fail
[15:33] <yofel_> bug 1037392
[15:58] <bulldog98> allee: yes
[15:59] <debfx> yofel_: ah ok. though please don't add additional ~ppa changelog entries as that needs manual editing when uploading to the archive
[15:59] <apachelogger> yofel_: still no problems with .1?
[16:00] <bulldog98> s/allee: yes/apachelogger still 2 ssh keys/
[16:00] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "apachelogger still 2 ssh keys"
[16:11] <shadeslayer> bleh
[16:11] <shadeslayer> is it just me or did the amd64+mac images not get updated for 12.04.1
[16:14] <yofel_> debfx: good point, will do so
[16:16] <yofel> apachelogger: works fine for me, but debfx posted an updates status page which still shows errors
[16:16] <yofel> *updated
[16:16] <yofel> esp. missing files
[16:25] <apachelogger> and who is going to fix those?
[16:27] <yofel> not me as I'm going out in a bit - unless you don't mind me fixing them in ~4h
[16:27] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:27] <apachelogger> perhaps it ought to be documented
[16:27] <apachelogger> just a thought
[16:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: work ^
[16:28] <yofel> if really nobody gets to it I'll do it later
[16:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nobody tested them, same as beta 1
[17:01] <Quintasan> Riddell, shadeslayer: no sponsorship for me
[17:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger ok, fine, will do, and could someone point me to the status page?
[17:18] <debfx> shadeslayer: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/4.9.1.htm
[17:18] <shadeslayer> thx
[17:19] <shadeslayer> debfx: orage is missing files?
[17:20] <debfx> no, orange is warning and red is an error
[17:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: we have ways of fixing that
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: just ask kubuntu council
[17:27] <shadeslayer> I'll also upgrade to 4.9.1 to test stuff
[17:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: I clicked on full upgrade 3 times before I realized I needed to click on Apply changes in muon :P
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> lol, and people still get mad at me when they delete half their system for not reviewing the changes :D
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> *after not reviewing
[17:41] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[17:43] <shadeslayer> it's a good feature, but coming from apt-get dist-upgrade, it's not immediately visible :)
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yay crash
[17:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://gist.github.com/0439f03f6c074ac5073a
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> huh, weird
[17:44] <shadeslayer> indeed
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> needless to say, there's probably not much I can do about that one...
[17:45] <shadeslayer> here's what I did, added the ninjas ppa to sources.list, refreshed using muon, muon complained about upgrading unsigned packages, I added key manually, hit upgrade, crash
[17:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> well, I'll keep an eye out for similar reports at any rate, thanks
[17:45]  * apachelogger actuall thinks shadeslayer has incompatible libs :P
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> package::state is called everywhere though. you would think it'd crash sooner
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hm, *maybe*
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> everywhere == PackageModel
[17:46] <apachelogger> well it did not crash when calling the function but inside the function
[17:46] <shadeslayer> can't exactly say since my system is a bit borked
[17:47] <apachelogger> so if it goes a different if and then runs into kaput symbol that'd explain it
[17:47]  * shadeslayer needs to downgrade to precise anyway
[17:49] <apachelogger> !info kmenuedit
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> lol: https://github.com/albertz/playground/blob/master/test_importearlyexit.py
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> "return from module"
[17:53]  * apachelogger scratches head
[17:53] <apachelogger> is that what happens when you had too much E?
[17:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do we need a Council meeting for that or something?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:01] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: #5  0x00007f3d2dfe28c5 in QApt::Package::shortDescription() const () from /usr/lib/libqapt.so.1
[18:02] <shadeslayer> new crash :P
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:02] <apachelogger> I tolds you
[18:05] <shadeslayer> yeah, seems a bit borked
[18:21]  * ScottK thought "assume it's shadeslayer's fault" was standard policy?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ...
[18:22] <ScottK> It certainly saves time.
[18:22] <ScottK> That and we needed a replacement for "assume shadeslayer's busy with exams."
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: maybe shadeslayer is waiting for exam results?
[18:28] <ScottK> Waiting implies non-business, so I don't think so.
[18:35] <shadeslayer> the best I can come right now is shadeslayer is redditting/HN'ing/talking to friends on fb/G+
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> speaking of academics, I have to scoot along to my last class of the week.
[18:41] <ScottK> debfx: Would you have time to add this to kamera and reupload: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kamera/news/20120827T124743Z.html
[19:14] <CIA-58> [kde-runtime] Rohan Garg * 288 * debian/ (kde-runtime-data.install kde-runtime.install) Update install files
[19:16] <debfx> ScottK: can do. is that bug #1023231?
[19:16] <ScottK> debfx: It's at least a partial solution for it.
[19:17] <ScottK> Let's call it that.
[19:19] <debfx> ScottK: the upstream bug is still NEW so it's not fixed in 4.9?
[19:20] <mah454> Hello
[19:20] <mah454> How can change KDE default configurations ?
[19:20] <debfx> ah actually it is fixed
[19:20] <mah454> change default panel , wallpaper , widgets , ...
[19:21] <DF_Meyer_> mah454: Phrase your question better. Try something along these lines: How can I create a custom live cd for distribution with a preconfigured plasma desktop. That will get yoy a good response
[19:21] <shadeslayer> mah454: look into /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[19:21] <shadeslayer> as well as plasma desktop scripting
[19:22] <shadeslayer> more specifically : /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init
[19:23] <mah454> shadeslayer: How can customize it ?
[19:23] <mah454> I need document
[19:24] <shadeslayer> mah454: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDesktopScripting
[19:24] <shadeslayer> has everything you need
[19:24] <mah454> ok
[19:24] <mah454> thank you :)
[19:24] <shadeslayer> np
[19:24] <shadeslayer> the API is a bit under documented/convoluted
[19:24] <shadeslayer> so I'd suggest looking at kdeexamples as well
[19:30] <ScottK> debfx: Dunno lisandro said he'd pushed the commit upstream.  May not have done anything in bugzilla.
[19:31] <debfx> yeah, the committer didn't use the proper format to close/cc the bug
[19:33] <ScottK> debfx: I don't see meta-kde in the queue.
[19:33] <ScottK> Don't we need that?
[19:33] <ScottK> Rejected the first kamera upload.
[19:33] <debfx> oh right, forgot about that one
[19:55] <ScottK> debfx: Started.  Thanks for uploading: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1
[20:08] <CIA-58> [kdelibs] Rohan Garg * 429 * debian/libkdeui5.symbols Update symbols
[20:20] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so I'm trying to revert a released commit in bzr using bzr revert -r x ... but it doesn't seem to work
[20:20] <shadeslayer> the file's contents are the same
[20:22] <shadeslayer> pffttt
[20:22] <shadeslayer> nvm
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> "Better Business Bureau<EMAIL_ADDRESS><- sounds legit
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> it's rare that gmail misses spam these days
[20:25] <shadeslayer> while BBB is a legit organization, that email surely isn't theirs :P
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> yup
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> my spam folder autodeletes every 30 days, so I constantly have ~1000 mails in it at any given time
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> every week or two one will slip into my inbox
[20:26] <CIA-58> [kdelibs] Rohan Garg * 430 * debian/libkdeui5.symbols Fixup symbols on i386 as well
[20:31] <CIA-58> [kde-workspace] Rohan Garg * 679 * debian/ (3 files) Update symbols
[20:37] <shadeslayer> !find kolab.png
[20:40] <CIA-58> [kdepimlibs] Rohan Garg * 188 * debian/libakonadi-contact4.symbols Update symbols
[20:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The bot lies - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kolab.png&mode=exactfilename&suite=quantal&arch=any
[20:40] <shadeslayer> :O
[20:41] <shadeslayer> I had a sneaking suspicion that the file was there
[20:41] <shadeslayer> though not the same path ( which is what I was afraid of )
[21:14] <CIA-58> [kde-workspace] Rohan Garg * 680 * debian/kde-workspace-data.install Update install file
[21:19] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace ( all fixed, needs upload from bzr), kde-runtime (all fixed, uploaded to ninjas and bzr), kdelibs (symbols updated, has a missing file that needs to be installed, and then upload from bzr), kdepimlibs ( symbols updated, needs upload from bzr)
[21:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[21:20] <shadeslayer> haven't touched anything else
[21:20] <shadeslayer> too sleepy to continue and might mess something up
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ok, I'll upload kde-workspace as well
[21:23] <shadeslayer> night
[21:27] <shadeslayer> mmm, kde workspace rejected ... version is lower
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^ so workspace will need uploading afterall
[22:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: revert is for uncommitted files, try uncommit
[22:17] <Riddell> uncommit then revert
[23:55] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1012550] qtsql: no drivers loaded (incomplete library paths?) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1012550 (by Jonas T.)