 (Photo, 628x626) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cETXDh0q/file_38180.jpg
 Is that too grumpy?
 I think I should do an article on the website sometime explaining exactly why we do not always get the latest Plasma/Qt/everything. The technical reasons, QA reasons, release timing reasons, are hard to get across in social media posts.  I seem to be spending more time on twitter/reddit etc explaining anyway, so being able to just link to something would be good.
 Opinions?
 +1
 @tsimonq2 thanks!
[15:47] <mparillo> I think there is a place for both rolling distros and release-based distros. And even rolling distros can skip .0 versions if they choose. Linux and the larger FLOSS community is all about choice. We can be more ecumenical and less tribal.
[16:14] <Mamarok> I think it's a good idea, indeed
[21:09] <valorie> @rikmills that is not at all grumpy
[21:09] <valorie> I mean, sometimes the release cycle is our friend, and sometimes it is no
[21:09] <valorie> t


[01:25] <shauno> I love when you're trying to google for something, and the results are all people asking "are you too lazy to google?".
[01:25] <penguin42> hehe yes
[01:26] <shauno> it's almost as bad as forum threads that ask exactly what you're looking for, and then the sole reply is "nm found it"
[01:31] <shauno> xbmc's documentation is almost comically bad.
[08:29] <danfish> good moaning all
[08:33] <danfish> projects for today 1) link up raspberry pi XMBC media centre to main tv
[08:33] <danfish> 2) Setup a 'community' drupal 7 server to store dermoscopy images for comparison
[08:34] <danfish> 3) go mental on a tree withh a chainsaw and
[08:34] <danfish> 4) get arm/leg reattached at A&E as a result of 3 :D
[08:57] <popey> morning
[09:02] <daubers> o/
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:26] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon et al
[10:26] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[10:26] <dwatkins> I found a webpage, and then I lost it :-/
[10:27] <brobostigon> :(
[10:27] <dwatkins> ages ago I found a page which described minimal power usage circults with a solar panel, capacitor and some kind of load (probably an LED) and the details about how to keep power usage to a minimum, now I can't find that page.
[10:27] <dwatkins> it mentioned shutting down the circuit when not in use, and I'm really curious how it did that, but have looked for ages and can't find the same page.
[10:28] <brobostigon> interesting, yes.
[10:30]  * dwatkins consoles himself by reading about a solar-powered phone charger on Adafruit's website
[10:30] <brobostigon> :)
[10:32] <dwatkins> http://learn.adafruit.com/usb-dc-and-solar-lipoly-charger/design-notes for the curious/lazy ;)
[10:39] <danfish> dwdw
[10:39] <brobostigon> morning danfish
[10:39] <danfish> oops
[10:40] <danfish> morning brobostigon
[10:40] <danfish> dwatkins: www.reuk.co.uk is a good site for info re power/solar etc
[10:40] <dwatkins> thanks danfish :) will have a look
[14:02] <jacobw> afternoonings
[14:14] <DJones> What software would people recommend for setting up a blog system on a home ubuntu server? I was thinking about using wordpress, but wondered if there was a better system to use
[14:14] <popey> I'd use wordpress
[14:15] <DJones> Cheers, that was what I thought would be suggested
[14:18] <AlanBell> DJones: wordpress, and update it every single time it offers you an update
[14:24] <DJones> ls
[14:24] <DJones> grr
[15:56] <b1ackcr0w> ello all!
[15:56] <b1ackcr0w> this should be fun
[16:55]  * AlanBell downloads a raring iso
[16:56] <daubers> AlanBell: Raring to go already?
[16:56] <AlanBell> I upgraded a VM already from Quantal, but I feel like testing the installer
[16:57]  * daubers adds "Made tje
[16:57]  * daubers adds "Made the tumble drier work" to his list of stuff done today
[16:57] <AlanBell> yay
[16:57] <daubers> Should probably find a better keyboard out of the roof at some point
[16:57] <daubers> The one from the old Revo is a bit poo
[16:57] <AlanBell> raring in a VM looks pretty much exactly the same as quantal so far
[17:15] <penguin42> which reminds me, I need to seem if my favorite X crash still happens in Raring
[17:57] <penguin42> yep, still seems broken in raring
[17:58] <AlanBell> bug #?
[18:01] <penguin42> bug 1043513
[18:02] <penguin42> hmm time to make food
[18:03] <andrews> Hello - can anyone advise how to check the permissions of an external hard drive?  Ive had it connected to my Ubuntu system (its normally a windows backup drive) though it wont now let me connect it to my mac as my mac says that the drive is "restricted" which I assume means locked out
[18:11] <DJones> Can somebody give me a bit of help with changing where my home website goes to, at the moment if I type www.mydomain.com it loads the index.htm page in /var/www/ I'd like it to load the default page in /var/www/wordpress/ , I just can't rok out how to get that done
[18:11] <DJones> s/rok/work/
[18:19] <DJones> Never mind, its not where I want it to be anyway
[18:47] <dwatkins> You can setup aliases with Apache, DJones - perhaps that helps.
[18:47] <dwatkins> I tend to have my wordpress installation at example.com/blog, the gallery at example.com/gallery etc.
[18:48] <dwatkins> I just use the top level for a simple homepage, and I don't link the blog from there, to avoid too many unwanted visitors finding it.
[19:18] <AlanBell> DJones: you can set up stuff in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ to point to different directories and serve them up in assorted ways
[19:18] <AlanBell> some people move the whole lot out of /var/www and put in in /srv/domain.name/
[20:12] <andylockran> DJones: easiest way is to set the default page that your server lands at via a sites-enabled/ file called 000-default
[20:13] <andylockran> it reads the vhosts alphabetically, so will load the first one if a GET request is issues for a domain name not mentioned in a vhosts file.
[20:36]  * MartijnVdS returns
[20:42]  * daubers waits for the feeling to return to his fingertips
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> daubers: what did you do to lose it?
[20:47] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Spray painting models in the cold
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> that would do it :)
[20:48]  * MartijnVdS just came back from Birmingham
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> that Christmas market thing was BUSY
[20:48] <daubers> And you managed to get out in one piece???
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I only stayed for 24h, so I think the damage is minimal ;0
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[20:49] <daubers> :p
[20:49] <dwatkins> 24 hour christmas market? think of the gluhwein...
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I don't think the market was 24h, we went to the Tattoo for my dad's birthday (he loves those things).. and then we found out there was a German-style Christmas market
[20:50] <dwatkins> oh cool, MartijnVdS
[21:13] <Azelphur> http://i.imgur.com/evRLf.jpg :p
[21:13] <dwatkins> haha, looks like it didn't detect the USB stick after starting the initial boot phase
[21:14] <Azelphur> either that or someone pulled it out and ran away from incoming security personnel xD
[21:14] <dwatkins> yeah, although it's possible something else is attached to the TV
[21:14]  * dwatkins wonders idly if he can boot his TV using the USB socket in the side
[21:14] <Azelphur> haha
[21:15] <dwatkins> I can power my Arduino from it, which is neat.
[21:15] <dwatkins> I can even power a Raspberry Pi from it, which was quite impressive.
[21:15] <dwatkins> Trouble is, when the TV goes into low power mode, the Pi gets turned off.
[21:26] <shauno> it's a shame most those little usb powerpacks I find don't charge & power at the same time, else you could make a pi-sized ups
[22:58] <dwatkins> shauno: you can get charging circuits for Lithium Polymer batteries so you can do that.
[22:59] <dwatkins> https://www.adafruit.com/products/390
[23:00] <shauno> I had something like that, but the battery puffed up like a pillow
[23:00] <dwatkins> I imagine if you cable it carefully, you could also add a USB-B socket to apply power when it's too dark to charge with the sun.
[23:00] <dwatkins> oh dear, that's not good
[23:01] <dwatkins> I've seen a few people suggesting just connecting the panel directly to the battery, which is fine for a few seconds, but if the voltage goes too high you risk the battery being damaged. I assume you had a circuit to monitor the charging voltage, though.
[23:02] <dwatkins> I think you could power a Raspberry Pi for just over an hour with a 1300 mAh battery.
[23:03] <shauno> I'm curious about this CEC stuff that lets devices communicate over hdmi.  if the pi knows the TV's gone to standby, it could shutdown
[23:04] <shauno> you still need some battery to last the period between the signal and the poweroff, but it could be very smooth
[23:11] <brobostigon> is it possible, for people, without an account on an xmpp server, to join a MUC room on said server ?
[23:21] <dwatkins> I don't believe so, brobostigon - in my experience, you need an account to do anything with an xmpp server, but there may be a configuration option to say "let people register and join rooms as a guest"
[23:22] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i have not enabled such an option, i just wanted to be sure.
[23:23] <dwatkins> brobostigon: ah I see, I'm no security expert, but that's how I believe it works
[23:24] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ok, thank you.


[00:02] <superm1> um, did vnc4-common just disappear from universe?
[00:03] <superm1> rmadison appears to think so. http://paste.ubuntu.com/408810/ but the publishing history doesn't agree with that: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+publishinghistory
[00:08] <Daviey> superm1: rmadison certainly suggests that, but it's certainly in the the archive pool under the universe pocket still.
[00:09] <superm1> Daviey, i think this is part of the LucidPlatformSupportableBinaries possibly
[00:09] <superm1> it looks like it was on slangasek's original list
[00:09] <crimsun> E: Package vnc4-common has no installation candidate
[00:10] <Daviey> that is odd, because apt-get source vnc4-common certainly pulls in 4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu7
[00:10] <Daviey> (vnc4)
[00:11] <slangasek> the removals were binary-only
[00:12] <slangasek> feel free to fix the build failure
[00:13] <Daviey> slangasek: Sorry, which build failure?  I see a dep wait on armel
[00:13] <wgrant> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/vnc4-common is the equivalent binary publication page -- just like the source one, it is always right and should have a deletion comment.
[00:14] <slangasek> Daviey: the build failure at the root of the spec - should be trivial to reproduce by grabbing the source and trying to build it
[00:15] <Daviey> slangasek: yes, sorry - just read the spec
[00:35] <superm1> woo, the debian vnc4 package builds.  i'll request a sync for it
[02:06] <superm1> can an archive admin release vnc4server from NEW so all the rdepends can get back to building?
[02:20] <ScottK> \
[02:20] <ScottK> superm1: Done.
[02:22] <wgrant> It has rdepends?
[02:26] <micahg> any archive admins around?
[02:27] <superm1> wgrant, mythbuntu-common needs it, and tons of stuff needs mythbuntu-common to build
[02:27] <superm1> thanks ScottK
[02:27] <ScottK> No problem.
[02:27] <wgrant> Ah.
[02:29] <ScottK> I understand a bit better why you were excited when it went missing.
[02:32] <superm1> yeah :)
[02:33] <superm1> kinda sorta breaks live disks
[03:20] <slangasek> lool: do you know why there's no build record for valgrind on armel?
[03:27] <micahg> slangasek: can you push a Thunderbird and Firefox through unapproved?
[03:36] <slangasek> micahg: looking
[03:54]  * kees hugs chrisccoulson micahg and mdeslaur
[04:02] <slangasek> ccheney: do you know why OOo b-d on ant1.7 on ia64 (which doesn't exist) instead of ant (which does and appears to be installable)?
[04:03] <micahg> thanks slangasek
[04:07] <slangasek> sure thing
[04:22] <SandGorgon> hi guys, this idea ( http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24276/ ) just hit the front page of Hacker News - if somebody can get a moderator to look at it, please do
[04:36] <LaserJock> SandGorgon: you probably want to talk to Brainstorm admins about that
[05:06] <crypt-0> Are there plans to re-enable SMART probing in 9.10? If so when?
[06:15] <River_Song> popey> Spoilers! -_-
[12:18] <bdrung> persia: hi, i want to become member of u-u-s again (then i can unsubscribe u-u-s again)
[13:02] <Annaa> http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382061 do my breasts look to big?
[14:41]  * _romeo_ says happy easter to all
[16:52] <TrueTom> does anyone know if acpid is still used for events like notebook lid opening/closing?
[17:09] <TrueTom> does anyone know if acpid is still used for events like notebook lid opening/closing?
[17:10] <jpds> !weekend
[17:14] <TrueTom> fair enough :)
[18:30] <jdong> lazy question, does Lucid upgrade existing GRUB legacy systems to GRUB2 or no?
[18:34] <micahg> jdong: I seem to have a mix and match...grub is legacy, grub-common is grub 2
[18:34] <jdong> fun
[18:34] <jdong> so it still doesn't attempt to rewrite the bootloader, like in 9.10
[18:35] <micahg> jdong: I get an option to use grub 2 chainloader in grub 1, but that might be because of something I did in 9.10
[18:47] <owen1> there is a serious bug with many asus and dell laptops but it was not assigned to any developer. what can I do to get the attention of canonical? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/512192
[18:48] <owen1> this thouchpad is too sensitive which forces me to use external keyboard.
[18:49] <micahg> owen1: you can try #ubuntu-kernel tomorrow
[18:50] <owen1> micahg: thank you. what do u mean by tomorrow? i am in pacific time.
[18:50] <micahg> owen1: Monday
[18:50] <micahg> owen1: you can try today, but there's no guarantee anyone will be around
[18:50] <owen1> ok. i will.
[19:18] <micahg> directhex: any idea how I can test gluezilla being ported to 1.9.2?
[19:19] <micahg> *xulrunner 1.9.2
[20:09] <directhex> micahg, good question. i think gluezilla is used by the system.windows.forms web browser control, so try any old "hello world" web browser example code
[20:10] <micahg> directhex: unfortunately, I'm not familiar with mono
[20:13] <micahg> directhex: do we have a mono IDE in Ubuntu?
[20:13] <ScottK> micahg: monodevelop?
[20:14] <micahg> ScottK: looks, right, thanks
[20:21] <directhex> monodevelop, but it's for gtk# work mostly
[20:21] <micahg> directhex: I can't make an easy Hello World browser test in it quickly?
[20:21] <xnox> it's general purpose though =) you can write C, C++ and JS in it =)
[20:22] <xnox> It's like Anjuta done write similar to XCode imho
[20:22] <xnox> s / write / right
[20:23] <directhex> try http://www.java2s.com/Tutorial/CSharp/0460__GUI-Windows-Forms/BrowserwithUrlentrybox.htm
[20:24] <directhex> messy segfault on lucid, for me
[20:25] <micahg> directhex: forgive my ignorance, but what do I do with the code?
[20:25] <directhex> micahg, gmcs -pkg:dotnet foo.cs
[20:26] <micahg> directhex: wfm :)
[20:26] <directhex> odd
[20:26] <directhex> micahg, running foo.exe ?
[20:26] <micahg> directhex: I'm using my modified gluezilla
[20:26] <directhex> ah. awesome
[20:26] <directhex> can you fling the patch at debian plz?
[20:26] <micahg> oops
[20:26] <micahg> just core dumped
[20:27] <micahg> i'ts using the wrong xul...I'll have to look into iit further, thanks
[20:29] <micahg> directhex: just enabled 1.9.2 vs 1.9.1 and built with 1.9.2, obviously not enough...I'll dig a little further
[20:29] <directhex> thanks micahg
[20:30] <directhex> micahg, it's not an a1 priority, as none of the default apps use it... but user apps may well do
[20:30] <micahg> directhex: are you the debian maintainer?
[20:34] <directhex> micahg, more or less
[20:36] <micahg> directhex: there's a problem that clean deletes Makefile.in in tests/browser which makes rebuilding a pain, I was going to file a bug later this week
[21:19] <lifeless> kees: is squid/squid3 meant to get security fixes ?
[21:20] <lifeless> kees: nevermind, clearly in universe.
[22:21] <cjohnston> superm1: ping
[22:47] <superm1> cjohnston, what's up?
[22:47] <micahg> sk that it be set as wishlist
[22:47] <micahg> oops
[22:47] <cjohnston> superm1: mind a PM?
[22:48] <superm1> cjohnston, sure?
[22:51] <crypt-0> where are all of the scripts located that preform the auto mounting / password prompt with full disk encryption?
[22:53] <lifeless> cryptsetup
[22:53] <lifeless> crypttab
[23:19] <crypt-0> lifeless, if i wanted to expand upon a script how would i do so eg a script that is run *before* that one
[23:19] <crypt-0> lifeless, crypttab is one line.
[23:32] <crypt-0> 0_o wrong dir dorry


[06:53] <ara> good morning all!
[06:57]  * duanedesign waves to ara
[06:57] <ara> morning duanedesign
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning ara, how long did you keep working yesterday?
[07:12] <ara> morning dholbach
[07:12] <ara> not too long, around 7:30pm
[07:12] <dholbach> and you're up working already again
[07:12] <dholbach> Beta really wouldn't be out without you :)
[07:12]  * dholbach hugs ara
[07:57] <dholbach> hey kim0
[07:58] <kim0> dholbach: hey there
[08:01] <dholbach> hey huats
[09:43] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[10:16] <dholbach> hola randa! :)
[10:50] <randa> hi dholbach
[11:43] <nigelb> hello community!
[13:49]  * nigelb notes its recruiting time!
[14:10] <doctormo> dholbach: Yes, a ground control session would be good to do (and easier since it's in the repositories)
[14:12] <doctormo> jono and akgra aren't here right now, but I did want to ask if I could do a session entitled: "Tips on interacting with a existing developer community" which would focus more on social and ways to interact and common mistakes. is this an appropriate topic?
[14:58] <doctormo> Morning dinda
[14:59] <dinda> Howdy there doctormo!
[15:02] <doctormo> dinda: How is the new job going?
[15:02] <dinda> doctormo: very encouraging - the work folks have done is amazing!
[15:03] <doctormo> dinda: Cool can you give me a link to any of it?
[15:03] <dinda> doctormo: yes, posted some links on my blog - which I finally got listed on planet
[15:05] <dholbach> doctormo, yeah, why not
[15:05] <dholbach> doctormo, oh you added a different one already - that one I like too
[15:05] <doctormo> dholbach: What I'll do is hold off on the second one and then if there are gaps, I'll do the upstream social one.
[15:05] <vish> doctormo: how about titling the session : "The appropriate way to say 'Your work Sucks!'" ;)
[15:06] <dholbach> doctormo, great
[15:08] <paultag> morning guys and gals
[15:08] <dinda> doctormo: http://dindafoss.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/ubuntu-in-education/
[15:08] <doctormo> Hi paultag
[15:08] <paultag> doctormo: morning, how's things?
[15:09] <paultag> doctormo: saw your email to the UBT ML, thanks :)
[15:09] <doctormo> paultag: Oh much better, I'm focusing on other things now :-)
[15:10] <paultag> :)
[15:10] <paultag> Is synaptic still on the default install?
[15:14] <vish> yup..
[15:14] <vish> paultag: ^
[15:15] <paultag> thanks vish. Any idea when it's going to be removed?
[15:15] <vish> paultag: well, the plan was to remove for lucid itself ;)
[15:16] <vish> paultag: but still SC doesnt have all the synaptic goodies
[15:16] <paultag> Hurmm.
[15:16] <paultag> Is there a timeline somewhere?
[15:16] <paultag> or is this being aborted until SC is feature complete?
[15:16] <vish> paultag: so best guess is Natty ;)
[15:16] <paultag> vish: roger, thanks :)
[15:17] <paultag> vish: Oh, lucid or mav ?
[15:17] <vish> papertigers: lucid, was the plan.. but every cycle we postpone :)
[15:17] <paultag> Gotcha.
[15:18] <paultag> thanks vish :)
[15:18] <vish> np.. :)
[15:58] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[16:05] <paultag> hey duanedesign
[16:13] <duanedesign> hello mr tag :)
[16:16] <nigelb> 'lo
[16:16] <paultag> 'lo all
[16:29] <duanedesign> nigelb hello!
[16:39] <nigelb> heya duanedesign :)
[16:40] <nigelb> paultag: http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=507 :P
[16:40] <nigelb> Now, thats the ideal reply
[16:43] <nigelb> wow, the planned look and feel for the fedora site is NICE!
[16:43] <nigelb> http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/95/Wwwfpo-redesign-2010_7-community.png
[16:47] <paultag> nigelb: why do we even waste our time talking about this?
[16:48] <paultag> nigelb: some idiot thinks we're out to get him, I really don't even care about it :)
[16:49] <nigelb> paultag: lol, true
[16:49] <nigelb> but I think the reply is appropriate
[16:50] <paultag> bbl
[16:57] <AlanBell> dholbach: just discussing the ubuntu font in #ubuntu+1
[16:57] <AlanBell> is it going to need a ffe filed to get it in to 10.10? is the plan to get it there?
[16:58] <dholbach> AlanBell, I have no idea - I merely packaged bits up
[16:59] <AlanBell> any idea where should I file a ffe?
[17:00] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[17:05] <AlanBell> bug 629622
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 629622 in ubuntu "ffe: new Ubuntu font (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629622
[17:07] <nigelb> AlanBell: is it available for everyone now?
[17:08] <AlanBell> well no, not yet
[17:08] <AlanBell> but they should probably get the package in, even if empty
[17:18] <dholbach> I'm calling it a day - have a great weekend!
[17:18] <AlanBell> o/ dholbach
[17:19] <dholbach> bye AlanBell
[17:32] <duanedesign> nigelb: the fedora site is looking nice
[18:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:15] <AlanBell> o/
[18:28] <duanedesign> some great articles offering experiences and advice on hosting community events http://tinyurl.com/2734qwc
[18:41] <doctormo> all: rocking on wallpapers http://blip.tv/file/4079499 yahoo
[18:44] <vish> AlanBell: it was brought up in the last release meeting, and iain mentioned it might not be ready..
[18:44] <vish> AlanBell: though i dont know if you were asked to file the FFE.. or if there is any new info :)
[18:45] <vish> hmm , that was about the fonts^ , just incase , /me has a bad habit of replying out of context :)
[18:46] <AlanBell> vish: I raised it in #ubuntu+1 and was advised to file the ffe because nobody there knew of plans to include it
[18:48] <vish> AlanBell: yeah, i see you've subscribed iain to the bug , he should probably reply.. but i'm just repeating what happened in the meeting.. :)  they discussed this and it was mentioned that mark was not yet fully satisfied or something of the sort.. so they are not yet sure
[18:48] <vish> and they dint want to commit about the font status yet..
[18:50] <AlanBell> reading it now http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/27/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[19:03] <vish>  also to note is that Canonical dont own the fonts yet until its 1.0 , the fonts are still dalton mags property for now..
[19:05] <AlanBell> vish: yeah, I know about that
[19:06] <vish> AlanBell: yeah guessed so :) ,just mentioned since sladen changed the bug title :)
[19:08] <AlanBell> I think the issue is an open public release rather than the specific version number, although open release and 1.0 tend to mean the same thing
[19:09] <AlanBell> just to be on the final spin it kind of needs to get there somewhat in advance
[19:11] <doctormo> thanks for the awesome comment AlanBell
[19:12] <AlanBell> it was such a good idea, can't think why they didn't actually just do it and get it in to Maverick if they wanted to
[19:27] <vish> doctormo: odd, i cant reach your blog!
[19:27] <vish> doctormo: but saw the vid and wow! :)
[19:28] <vish> could get to blip.tv from liferea...
[19:28] <doctormo> vish: :-) It's kinda cute for a demonstration, much more could be done.
[19:28] <vish> yeah... JUST IMAGINE!  :D
[19:32] <AlanBell> doctormo: what resolution does it render the svg to?
[19:33] <doctormo> AlanBell: Anything, I tested it at 640x480, 800x600 and 1250x800, gnome seems to be doing a good job of it.
[19:36] <doctormo> AlanBell: But the size of the original svg is 1650x1050
[19:44] <AlanBell> yeah, I tried with some svgs which had a small size specified, I think it renders the svg to the pixel size specified in the document properties then stretches that to your screen size
[19:45] <AlanBell> so my small logo svg looked rubbish scaled from 100px to 2048px even though it is a scaleable graphic in theory
[19:49] <doctormo> AlanBell: It's quite easy to pop the svg headers and apply a transform, something that could be done in the gnome wallpaper loading code.
[20:37] <nigelb> czajkowski: like that ubuntu logo on your twitter pic (I must be blind, why didn't I see it before!)
[20:38] <czajkowski> only about a week old I think
[20:38] <czajkowski> nixternal was tweeting them recently
[20:44] <nigelb> Ah, I'm not *that* blind then :D
[20:50] <czajkowski> nope
[20:50] <czajkowski> nigelb: see todays pics of wee cousins then
[20:51] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/2kt83d
[20:51] <nigelb> czajkowski: omg! cute :)
[20:52] <czajkowski> she'll be 1 year old in 13 days
[20:52] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/2kucup  My goddaughter
[20:54] <nigelb> pretty :)
[20:54] <czajkowski> 6 weeks off her 16th bday
[20:54] <czajkowski> there are 19 year old boys chatting her up at basketball
[20:54] <czajkowski> her father is less than impressed
[20:55] <nigelb> she's only 16... wow
[20:55]  * nigelb feels old
[20:55] <czajkowski> yup
[20:55] <czajkowski> 15 years between the of us
[20:59] <nigelb> I just merged blogs
[21:00] <nigelb> I was having one for web development stuff and one for ubuntu, now its just one :)
[21:19] <Technoviking> Later all, off for the long weekend.
[21:19] <czajkowski> Toodles
[21:19] <czajkowski> <--- Sleep
[21:19]  * nigelb heads to bed too
[21:19] <nigelb> night czajkowski
[22:15] <doctormo> paultag: How do beginners apply for mentors?
[22:39] <pleia2> doctormo: add your name to the BT wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure#Mentoring
[22:39] <pleia2> there is a "Seeking Mentor" table down a bit
[22:39] <nigelb> doctormo in BT o.O
[22:39]  * nigelb has an out of whack sleep cycle
[22:42] <duanedesign> nigelb: me too. Been staying up too late working on projects
[22:42] <doctormo> nigelb: Mine was like that, I'm only just getting things straight.
[22:43] <doctormo> nigelb: Like my new wallpaper? I'm trying to make some other ones, see if I can art it up a bit.
[22:43] <nigelb> doctormo: I worked the night yesterday.  Slept all morning and went back to work evening.
[22:43] <nigelb> Now i should be sleeping, but I'm wide awake
[22:43] <nigelb> duanedesign: I feel ya
[22:45] <nigelb> doctormo: out of sync with planet, need to catch up
[22:47] <nigelb> doctormo: SWEEET!
[22:47] <nigelb> wonder if we can have a star studded sky that keeps moving :)
[22:48] <doctormo> nigelb: Why not, as long as the movements are infrequent enough
[22:49] <nigelb> doctormo: the problem is, it should change, but the change should be apparent
[22:49] <nigelb> but then I'm probabl thinking of webshots like application
[22:49] <doctormo> how should it change?
[22:49] <nigelb> I dunno
[22:49] <nigelb> Warning: I may sound incoherent right now, 3 am isn't best of times
[22:50] <AlanBell> nigelb: http://xkcd.com/320/
[22:50] <nigelb> AlanBell: \o/
[22:52] <nigelb> AlanBell: Totally totally agree with small print there
[23:18] <duanedesign> AlanBell: thats great. The beauty of being able to make your own schedule
[23:18] <AlanBell> it is very tempting


[05:15] <Captainkrtek> hey geekosopher
[05:32] <geekosopher> yes Captainkrtek
[12:34] <UndiFineD> the key in some other language could look like ktrl
[12:34] <UndiFineD> or something totally different
[15:57] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i'm still working on bug 478097, and i have the fixes available for the docbook -> html transformations (it's actually in our script, not docbook-xsl)
[15:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 478097 in ubuntu-docs "help.ubuntu.com claims to be XHTML 1.0 Transitional but is not" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478097
[15:58] <Rocket2DMn> that means i can push it to all stable branches, i'm just wondering if we should bother
[15:59] <Rocket2DMn> our static pages on h.u.c (index, legal, search) need to be fixed as well
[15:59] <Rocket2DMn> i could do them manually or use a generated page (made with the fixed xsl) and copy in the appropriate material
[18:59] <jbicha> http://ubuntutour.org/
[19:09] <Rocket2DMn> another guide eh?
[19:10] <jbicha> it looks like it's already been around long enough to be abandoned
[19:10] <jbicha> 4 weeks since the last commit
[19:11] <Rocket2DMn> it has a fairly large team on PL
[19:11] <Rocket2DMn> LP
[19:11] <UndiFineD> no not abaondonded, just low activity
[19:11] <jbicha> well it was advertised on OMGUbuntu last fall
[19:12] <UndiFineD> but it is a team full of documenters, so perhaps they would like to get involved
[19:14] <Rocket2DMn> you know ive never actually looked at omgubuntu
[19:15] <jbicha> I like the site mostly, I know some people who can't stand it
[19:15] <Rocket2DMn> what is it supposed to be exactly?
[19:15] <Rocket2DMn> looks like a news feed
[19:16] <jbicha> it's a Ubuntu news site, geared towards the newer or non-developer enthusiasts
[19:17] <Rocket2DMn> looks nice
[19:17] <Rocket2DMn> i dont really follow a lot of news with Ubuntu which is kind of a bad thing, so if i'm not active on the forums i miss a lot of things
[19:17] <jbicha> the guys running it are hoping to make a business out of it
[19:18] <jbicha> if you follow that site & planet ubuntu, you'll get most of the news
[19:18] <Rocket2DMn> yeah planet gets a lot of news thougjh, i dont have time to filter through it so i dont really look anymore
[19:18] <Rocket2DMn> most of it is stuff i dont care about
[19:19] <Rocket2DMn> hmmm, conky...
[19:20] <Rocket2DMn> i think its time i cleaned up my conky, it hasnt been touched since Feisty
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> At UDS they were talking about bringing back the UWN
[20:02] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: isnt that sorta obsolete considering omgubuntu?
[20:05] <jbicha> well some in the community don't like omgubuntu
[20:05] <jbicha> and UWN is supposedly for those who want a weekly summary of Ubuntu happenings instead of reading the planet & omg for themselves
[20:06] <jbicha> but it was taking 30 hr to produce the thing which is too much
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: The issue that was brought up was relying on a commercial website for that.
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: the turn from it was that UWN was going to get ressurected again. It's one of those "fun" issues that keeps cropping up in the FOSS world.
[20:10] <apachelogger> well, maintaining a weekly news for a project of our size will either require insane amount of time or cutting content
[20:10] <apachelogger> neither would be beneficial to the user
[20:10] <apachelogger> /s/user/reader
[20:12] <jbicha> it depends on how much work you need to do
[20:12] <jbicha> collecting 10-20 links isn't that difficult
[20:12] <jbicha> writing a summary of each adds more time
[20:13] <apachelogger> yeah, and I think the summary is the curcial part there
[20:13] <apachelogger> otherwise you could just as well use a news aggregator on the planet :)
[20:19] <jbicha> here's Fedora's version: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue
[20:20] <jbicha> I think UWN tries to cover too much stuff
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> I guess the theory was having a condensed version of the planet along with other sources.
[20:21] <apachelogger> jbicha: well, ubuntu is vastly larger project than fedora
[20:21] <apachelogger> also the FWN do not seem very community
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> Because I guess having 'Official' support of a commercial site isn't in line with what Ubunut Community/Canonical vision wants.
[20:22] <DarkwingDuck> I's about 60 hours of work a week to get the UWN running correctly.
[20:22] <apachelogger> nono, official is ubuntu.com, if there is absolutely worthwhile news it ends up there (or the other sites like kubuntu.org resprectively)
[20:22] <apachelogger> additionally to that you have semi-official community resources which would be the planet
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> and UWN
[20:23] <apachelogger> now if UWN where to quote the planet it still would not be more official than any ubuntu member saying anything
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> then you have commercial sites like omgubuntu
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> very true
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> By 'official' I was refering to community run
[20:23] <apachelogger> so claiming UWN should be official implies excluding the planet as possible resoruce
[20:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: oh, yeah, well, in a way the omgubuntu people are also community
[20:24] <apachelogger> there is no guideline against community members making money with their contribution to the community
[20:24] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Correct but, because it's commercial it has seperated itself slightly (According to them)
[20:25] <DarkwingDuck> That's according to omgubuntu. They don't concider themselves a community project.
[20:25] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: that does not change the accountability and validity of the information
[20:25] <jbicha> DarkwingDuck: what do you mean they don't consider themselves community?
[20:25] <jbicha> citation?
[20:25] <DarkwingDuck> Lemme find the email that Amber sent to us when we were working on UWN
[20:26] <apachelogger> oh, here is a daring argument: if you produce news weekly, it is not news anymore ;)
[20:26]  * apachelogger actually notes that he never read UWN for exactly that reason
[20:26] <jbicha> I'd hesitate to call UWN official and trying to treat it like it is adds extra headache
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> My mistake on the classifacation of 'official'
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> I think what caused people to hesitate with OMG Ubuntu was the vollyball NSFW post
[20:33] <jbicha> and the legendary neckbeard post
[20:33]  * apachelogger was hoping for a "scandal: kubuntu switches to unity" post :/
[20:33] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: using jussi's screenshot as a post?
[20:34] <apachelogger> srsly, we were checking omgubuntu all the time :P
[20:34] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: THAT would have been funny, you still have that URL?
[20:35] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg\
[20:35] <apachelogger> without the back slash obviously ^^
[20:35] <jbicha> include a quote from Mark about all Ubuntu flavors to get the new interface since that's what Unity is all about, right?
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:36]  * DarkwingDuck debates
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> Did anyone send a anon tip to OMG Ubuntu about this?
[20:36] <jbicha> maybe an exception for Ubuntu Server
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> I would hope so.
[20:37] <jbicha> somebody needs to port Unity to the command line ;-)
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:40] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: we were thinking about it, but since there is a bug in plasma that prevents me from doing this and at the same time hit major promo for plasma by actually providing a plasma tempalte to automagically roll an unity activity we did not do it
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: works for me. Plus, why would we *want* Unity when Plasma is working so well.
[20:45]  * DarkwingDuck isn't sure he wants to rely on compiz for a DE
[20:45] <apachelogger> we do not
[20:46] <apachelogger> some users do
[20:46] <apachelogger> well, they want unity's good looks
[20:46] <apachelogger> so I figured we could provide that, but you cannot make a vertical panel as the script API has a bug right now
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> I don't know why you can have good looks with plasma... I have a nice wodden earthy feel on mine. http://imm.io/5E81
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> s/can/can't
[20:54] <apachelogger> gross
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You can make a vertical panel just fine.
[20:55] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: not when using the script api
[20:57] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmz, I just added a panel and in the setting moved it vertical.
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: But, i see what you mean.
[20:58] <apachelogger> yeah, that works, but building a unity clone yourself sux
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Aye,
[20:58] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: if you click on your cashew and select activities you can add new activities from template
[20:58] <apachelogger> using that and a working template you can get a unity clone in like 4 clicks
[20:59] <apachelogger> however the template does not work because of aforementioned bug
[20:59] <apachelogger> rather OT ^^
[21:03] <jbicha> DarkwingDuck: the wood grains clash with each other
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I know jbicha... I've been playing around with ideas.
[21:08] <jbicha> haha
[21:09] <DarkwingDuck> This is my other setup (The one I use mostly) http://imm.io/5EnH
[21:10] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it is a good thing you are not deciding on the default artwork lineup for the ubuntu products :P
[21:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Ehh, I'm a fan of dark.