[06:40] <deFrysk> viruscanner might be handy for linux users wo forward files and mails to windows users
[06:41] <salil> "configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" ----- i'm getting this message..
[06:41] <salil> what does that mean..?
[06:41] <holycow> brian__, the key to 'ease of use' is actually having a properly engineered underpinning
[06:41] <brian__> ahh
[06:41] <brian__> I see
[06:41] <Seveas> salil, install libxml-parser-perl
[06:41] <brian__> and common sense
[06:41] <|rockinnerd|> s/lindows/linspire
[06:41] <deFrysk> so in itself is a virusscanner in linux not a bad idea
[06:41] <apokryphos> Seveas: I hear they have a really great package manager, though ;-)
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> and users that can actually think :P
[06:41] <tony> hello
[06:41] <holycow> when people complain about unix not being easy to use, its simply because no one has put in the gui automation for the underneath stuff
[06:41] <brian__> which Im starting to realize I still have some
[06:41] <Seveas> |rockinnerd|, potayto potahto :)
[06:41] <salil> thanks..
[06:41] <|rockinnerd|> :)
[06:41] <brian__> even after my brain has been rotting for so long on Windows
[06:41] <Seveas> :)
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> "Linux FUNdamentals"
[06:42] <holycow> its a lot of work, but the linux desktop experience can get very nice even for average users with enough guis and widgets and stuff
[06:42] <dimitris> holycow the switch wasn't easy for me either until i installed Ubuntu. Like i said i tried many distros but now Ubuntu rulez my pc!!! :-)
[06:42] <xinel> any ideas ppl?
[06:42] <holycow> dimitris, yeah, i switched during sarge, i settled onto debian my self
[06:42] <python> But why do new users want to use Linux
[06:42] <holycow> but sarge requires quite a bit of work to get a smooth desktop
[06:42] <|rockinnerd|> holycow, amen
[06:42] <brian__> so cedega is a pretty compatible program
[06:42] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[06:42] <Seveas> fedore, brrrr
[06:43] <holycow> ubuntu folks really have me convinced that this is a pretty good approach
[06:43] <ajcool> i downloaded ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64 now how do i install it?
[06:43] <holycow> ajcool, put the cdrom in, and reboot
[06:43] <brian__> ahh
[06:43] <holycow> :)
[06:43] <|rockinnerd|> Seveas, i only did it b/c i knew nothing about linux, and bought "fedora core for dummies:
[06:43] <ajcool> oh i have to burn it to a cd? can i mount it?
[06:43] <deFrysk> ajcool, burn the iso to a cd not copy
[06:43] <Seveas> ajcool, burn a cd from the iso, boot from that cd and have fun :)
[06:43] <Razor-X> holycow: have you notice that the average #ubuntu user is getting smarter over time?
[06:43] <Seveas> ajcool, if you are now on a 32bit kernel you cannot mount+install
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> under windows the program "Burn At Once" is very  handy for burning iso files.
[06:44] <Razor-X> |rockinnerd|: as do I, but as a neccessity ;)
[06:44] <holycow> ajcool, sure you can mount it, installation instructions vary depending on yoru setup.  i am assuming your installing onto a wiped hd
[06:44] <Seveas> |rockinnerd|, are there non-dummies using FC then? :)
[06:44] <Razor-X> (dad)
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: are you serious ? :)

[06:44] <Despeeh> started with chainsaw linux
[06:44] <dimitris> The best thing in Linux for me when i found i could do something in linux that i thought i needed windows to do! Getting my tv-out working was the last obstacle to my linux switch!
[06:44] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: hah, yeah
[06:44] <deFrysk> lol Seveas
[06:44] <ajcool> i can't install/mount from windows xp?
[06:44] <Seveas> ajcool, nope
[06:44] <ajcool> ok
[06:44] <holycow> Razor-X, ehe
[06:44] <Seveas> would be coolif that was possible, but it's not :)
[06:44] <|rockinnerd|> i've also tried gentoo, slackware, suse, mepis, sarge debian, knoppix, DSlinux,
[06:44] <holycow> Razor-X, the avergae question in this chan however, is remarkably different from the average question in #debian
[06:44] <ajcool> seveas i heard the ubuntu is the best thats why im usin it hah, never used linux before in my life so i might have a lot of questions :)
[06:45] <|rockinnerd|> bye Seveas
[06:45] <holycow> the questions here are basically of the windows user category, how do i setup my network, how do i share files ... basic stuff
[06:45] <Razor-X> holycow: I haven't been to #debian in ages
[06:45] <deFrysk> ajcool, 472 people here , someone might know the answer
[06:45] <python> I think its important that users coming to Linux should underrsatnd the ethical principles as to why we should use free software, to understand this will encourage people from not using propreiety software.
[06:45] <Razor-X> #knoppix was a bit better back when I helped there
[06:46] <Razor-X> now, I don't know
[06:46] <root> Someone told me Ubuntu wouldnt have network but I set it up in a flash. heh.. time to log off root though.
[06:46] <holycow> and watching the users here i'm convinced that linux can be polished up for the average user
[06:46] <apokryphos> Razor-X: went downhill at your leave, I'm sure. ;-)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, #knoppix used to rock
[06:46] <Razor-X> python: I think there are instances where proprietary software should be used, abeit not many
[06:46] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: I remember you from there ;)
[06:46] <python> i disagree Razor
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: dunno what happened in #knoppix - it went downhill after tech2k left I think
[06:47] <python> ALL software should be Open
[06:47] <salil> can anyone please tell me what this means..?? - configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:47] <Razor-X> python: maybe that has to do with my governmental philosophy
[06:47] <python> which is
[06:47] <apokryphos> salil: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:47] <Razor-X> well, until that happens, if there's a program I really want, I'll pay for it
[06:47] <salil> okay.. i'll try.
[06:47] <Razor-X> python: I don't think an ideal communistic world is nice
[06:47] <ph8>  Do you know if there's a windows binary to check md5sums?
[06:47] <frank> python: that is not the main reason why I use linux and isn't the reason why people switch from windows to linux
[06:48] <python> it is not communism
[06:48] <Razor-X> there was one guy on #knoppix who tried to compile his emulator, but didn't know ``cd''
[06:48] <dimitris> ph8 there is. Dont actually remember now but google it
[06:48] <python> communism forces you
[06:48] <Razor-X> ;)
[06:48] <Razor-X> python: no, that's actual communism, not ideal communism
[06:48] <apokryphos> :|
[06:48] <Razor-X> Ideal Communism == Marxism
[06:48] <salil> i'm getting this error again.. ---   E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:48] <salil> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:48] <thenostradamus> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1841067,00.asp
[06:48] <python> It is not Communism
[06:48] <Razor-X> salil: prepend a ``sudo''
[06:48] <thenostradamus> lmao
[06:48] <apokryphos> salil: close all instances of synaptic
[06:48] <salil> i did
[06:48] <frank> python: pro software (engineering, scientific) are ok proprietary
[06:48] <salil> ooh.. okay
[06:48] <Razor-X> python: are you saying that just because communism is ``evil''?
[06:48] <python> it is democracy
[06:49] <Despeeh> do you have synaptic there running? salil :) at same time
[06:49] <Despeeh> allways someone is faster
[06:49] <Razor-X> in a truly open world, code belongs to no-one
[06:49] <Razor-X> every person shares code
[06:49] <python> no cause communism is a way of live tht is forced upon people, free software does not force anyone
[06:49] <Razor-X> just like the concept of property in communism
[06:49] <salil> yes.. i had synaptic running.. its working now.. C compiler is being installed..
[06:49] <apokryphos> Despeeh: 48ms, pow! :P
[06:49] <Razor-X> python: communism has _nothing_ to do with force
[06:49] <Despeeh> :)
[06:50] <apokryphos> Despeeh: ok, it's going down now ;-)
[06:50] <Razor-X> you're mixing Marxism with Stalinism, two different things
[06:50] <python> More importantly the computing world needs open standards not M$ standards or proprietry standards
[06:50] <salil> i'm getting a lot of errors..
[06:50] <salil> configure: error: Library requirements (gobject-2.0 glib-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[06:50] <elsha> !root
[06:50] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:50] <apokryphos> salil: what are you trying to compile?
[06:51] <salil> a library for bluetooth support
[06:51] <elsha> !su
[06:51] <ubotu> Wish i knew, elsha
[06:51] <frank> python: yeah goverments should not be using proprietary standards in any way
[06:51] <salil> libbtctl-0.4.1-- this is the library i'm trying to compile
[06:51] <ajcool> i burned ubuntu to a disk now how do i install, a wizard did not popup
[06:51] <apokryphos> salil: try installing those things it says it doesn't have
[06:51] <salil> where do i get them.. at synaptic..??
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: yup
[06:52] <salil> thanks.. i'll try..
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: well, you should be able to.
[06:52] <topyli> ajcool: boot the disk, it will start the installation
[06:52] <salil> btw.. apokryphos.. how come.. your messages are in red..??
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ajcool: reboot and you should get an install screen
[06:52] <olivier> hi again, how do I install a .deb package that I downloaded?
[06:52] <ajcool> oh you have to reboot okay
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: heh, oh wait. You can get libbctl from the repositories -- no need to compile.
[06:52] <dimitris> Well i am off (soccer match on tv!!!)
[06:52] <frank> salil: happens when your name starts the line
[06:52] <Razor-X> what's the difference between zsh and zsh30?
[06:52] <salil> oh ... really..?
[06:52] <apokryphos> salil: because my messages include your nick in them. That's what IRC does
[06:53] <ajcool> will i beable to chose windows or linux when the computer starts then?
[06:53] <apokryphos> !info libbctl1
[06:53] <levander`> I thought ubuntu was using the udev filesystem stuff? Is it not?
[06:53] <salil> salil this is a test
[06:53] <thoreauputic> olivier: sudo dpkg -i <package>
[06:53] <salil> salil: this is a test
[06:53] <Razor-X> levander`: it uses ext3, as do most modern Linux distributions
[06:53] <olivier> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:53] <salil> doesn't work when i send message to myself..??
[06:53] <salil> :P
[06:53] <apokryphos> salil: it won't to yourself, no.
[06:53] <salil> lol
[06:53] <salil> just trying..
[06:53] <|rockinnerd|> !libbctl1
[06:53] <ubotu> |rockinnerd|: Are you smoking crack?
[06:53] <apokryphos> !info libbtctl1
[06:53] <thoreauputic> olivier: but you probably didn;t need to since most stuff is in synaptic/apt
[06:53] <levander`> Razor-X: no udev is just for /dev, it's not a general purpose filesystem
[06:53] <Razor-X> I see all names bolded in white, except the names I type that are bolded in red
[06:53] <ubotu> libbtctl1: (GObject Bluetooth library), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1ubuntu3 (hoary), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
[06:53] <topyli> olivier: why are you downloading debs? what package is that?
[06:53] <Razor-X> !info zsh30
[06:54] <ubotu> zsh30: (A shell with lots of features), section universe/shells, is optional. Version: 3.0.8-11 (hoary), Packaged size: 447 kB, Installed size: 864 kB
[06:54] <Razor-X> !info zsh
[06:54] <apokryphos> salil: there.. try installing that package. It's in Universe. You'll have to enable it if you haven't done so already
[06:54] <ubotu> zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1949 kB, Installed size: 5816 kB
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> stop abusing ubotu
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> lol
[06:54] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell salil about repositories
[06:54] <olivier> skype
[06:54] <Razor-X> |rockinnerd|: i'm not
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> ok
[06:54] <salil> i have..
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> !repositories
[06:54] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[06:54] <Razor-X> I'm looking for the difference between the two packages
[06:54] <deprave> ladies and gentlemen, AOL on linux!
[06:54] <topyli> olivier: oh yes, that is an exception
[06:54] <salil> no no.. i already started it..
[06:54] <Razor-X> all I can see is filesize... :(
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> where?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> olivier: ah that's Ok then if it's statically compiled
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> aol bloze
[06:54] <|rockinnerd|> imho
[06:54] <olivier> anyway, it was a wrong download ....
[06:54] <salil> but.. i still have to install something this -> gnome-bluetooth-0.5.1
[06:55] <deprave> uh for dialup, this is the fastest dialup i've ever had
[06:55] <|rockinnerd|> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html here we are
[06:55] <apokryphos> salil: is that why you were trying to install those libraries?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> olivier: there's an apt sources line for skype by the way
[06:55] <salil> yes..
[06:55] <apokryphos> salil: ahh. That's int he repositories too. Just click to install it and it will resolve all dependencies for you
[06:55] <salil> apokryphos: yes.
[06:55] <olivier> thoreauputic, is there a version for IA64?
[06:55] <salil> ooh..
[06:55] <apokryphos> salil: no dependency hell as with compiling :)
[06:55] <salil> let me try
[06:56] <levander`> How can I tell if my system is using "udev"?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> olivier: ah, that I don't know, sorry
[06:56] <topyli> levander`: if it's ubuntu, it should
[06:56] <salil> apokryphos : got it.. thanks
[06:56] <apokryphos> cool
[06:57] <levander`> topyli: okay, fair enough
[06:57] <olivier> so, with ubuntu IA64 I can't run x86 programs?
[06:57] <apokryphos> salil: as a note, you can use tab for autocompletion of nicks in IRC. i.e. sal-<tab>
[06:57] <thoreauputic> olivier: here's the line - you could go have a look if there's an amd64 version
[06:57] <thoreauputic> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[06:57] <salil> apokryphos : ooh.. i didn't know that..
[06:57] <olivier> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:57] <thoreauputic> olivier: I think probably not
[06:57] <salil> apokryphos, thanks
[06:58] <apokryphos> no worries
[06:58] <frank> olivier: that's amd64 not IA64
[06:58] <salil> apokryphos, can you tell me how do i enable bluetooth device..?
[06:58] <chris___2> I got the Network setup but now that the system boots with internet gnome doesn't start a session.
[06:58] <apokryphos> salil: after it's installed? I wouldn't know, sorry (don't use bluetooth). Others here may know.
[06:59] <ajcool> what is ppc linux?
[06:59] <olivier> frank : ok :)
[06:59] <LeeColleton> the topic says NOT to use breezy yet, why?
[06:59] <hybrid_goth> ajcool: linux on mac hardware
[06:59] <nalioth> ajcool: linux for mac hardware (and some IBM hardware)
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> powerpc
[07:00] <ajcool> oh okay
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> LeeColleton,  it promotes global warming.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> chris___2: is loopback enabled in /etc/network/interfaces ?  ( <IP_ADDRESS> )
[07:00] <salil> apokryphos, all the things are already installed but.. i don't know how to use them.. :(
[07:00] <jeremywhiting> hi all
[07:00] <LeeColleton> is it just a head on a stick to scare off the faint of heart?
[07:00] <apokryphos> salil: alt+f2 -> gnome-bluetooth  ..perhaps?
[07:00] <olivier> so, is there something like a x86 emulator? or it doesn't make sense at all ?
[07:01] <jeremywhiting> anyone know if there's a way to convert a debian box to ubuntu?
[07:01] <LeeColleton> or are there still too many crashes/usability issues
[07:01] <salil> got it..
[07:01] <apokryphos> salil: there should ideally be something about it in the menu, though I don't really know how gnome works.
[07:01] <apokryphos> cool
[07:01] <chris___2> iface lo inet loopback <- Is that it?
[07:01] <salil> its gnome-bluetooth-manager
[07:01] <frank> LeeColleton: basically, that and if you run into trouble (you will, X is broken) you're on your own
[07:02] <thoreauputic> olivier: there's a howto on the wiki for a chroot x86 I seem to recall
[07:02] <CoffeeBreaks> bob2: (follow up from yesterday) I finally installed ubuntu on the SATA disk using a temporary IDE disk, then manually installed <IP_ADDRESS> then copied system onto SATA disk + chroot/mkinitrd/grub magic. thanks
[07:02] <phixion> is breezy avail for download yet btw?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> chris___2: that looks like it , yeah
[07:02] <chris___2> Im guessing my video card isn't well supported, I have a Radeon 9000/64meg gnome started up now but it waited a long time.
[07:02] <chris___2> everytime I use a GL X-screensaver I get a black screen of death pretty much.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[07:03] <p1tst0p> hi, is there a way, to have 2 ethernet cards in linux, both with a seperate cable modem attached, and enable some kind of load balancing to merge the bandwidth of the 2 modems ?
[07:03] <ubotu> drivers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[07:03] <salil> apokryphos, it did install.. but its not detecting my adapter.. !!
[07:03] <topyli> phixion: i don't think so. you can only upgrade from hoary if you don't mind a broken system
[07:03] <phixion> ok thx
[07:03] <thoreauputic> chris___2: the binary drivers URL above might help
[07:03] <Kimppa> Hello. I have this weird problem. I have two screens  (tft and crt)  attached to my video card. Both are showing the same view, so they are dublicates. My problem is when I try to view an video file. CRT will show it properly but the TFT screen just show black :-/
[07:03] <LeeColleton> frank: so it should say BREEZY NOT SUPPORTED (YET)
[07:04] <LeeColleton> I mean, the whole idea is that we should use it and test for buggage, right?
[07:04] <apokryphos> salil: heh
[07:04] <stan-am> hello everyone
[07:04] <stan-am> is anybody having problems with google n gmail?
[07:04] <topyli> LeeColleton: then you should really be chatting at #ubuntu-devel. i don't think their topic has this warning :)
[07:04] <frank> LeeColleton: yeah but that would lead people to think that it actually works, which for many (well me at least) it doesn't
[07:05] <thoreauputic> LeeColleton: sure but currently you need to be a developer or very clued to use breezy in practical terms
[07:06] <vatore> LeeColleton: what's your gmail problem? isn't it browser-related?
[07:06] <stan-am> is anybody having problems with google n gmail?
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> stan-am: like?
[07:07] <thoreauputic> stan-am: please don't repeat
[07:07] <vatore> oh sorry that's your question
[07:07] <stan-am> like does pages not loading
[07:07] <stan-am> just those
[07:07] <vatore> what browser?
[07:07] <vatore> did you try another browser?
[07:07] <stan-am> firefox
[07:08] <vatore> stan-am: I think that's not related to Ubuntu...
[07:08] <ds_> it works fine with me.
[07:08] <vatore> me too
[07:09] <ds_> but sometimes I get those errors with Safari, just close the browser and re login to gmail.
[07:11] <deprave> is it difficult to mount another hard drive and use it for spare storage space in ubuntu
[07:11] <thenuke> deprave: no
[07:11] <hybrid_goth> nah
[07:11] <deprave> cool
[07:12] <deprave> thanks
[07:12] <delire> deprave: it involves adding a single line to /etc/fstab
[07:12] <deprave> solid.
[07:12] <thenuke> rock
[07:12] <deprave> when i run out of space i shall do so.
[07:12] <deprave> because i'm lazy like that.
[07:12] <Ziggity> Help
[07:12] <thenuke> deprave: :)
[07:12] <Ziggity> Firefix stopped working
[07:13] <nalioth> delire: for a "normally" one-shot editing session?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: more info required...
[07:14] <delire> nalioth: i don't think it's so one-shot. it could be given the context of 'manage storage devices' and provide interface to other services, like DMA and partition naming.
[07:14] <Ziggity> click the Icon to start it - task bar sez starting Firefox .. then nothing happens..
[07:14] <olivier> how can I add an entry to the PATH variable? (once for all)
[07:14] <tommi^> Hi. I have installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs package but the oo.org file dialog still isn't the gnome one and I can't access vfs'. What can I do? Thanks
[07:15] <Belutz> Seveas: hai! :D do you know how to load ubuntu live CD where the CD ROM is in RAID?
[07:15] <olivier> ha nevermind ....
[07:15] <stan-am> hey guys, im experiencing some very slow browsing speed with any browser, can anyone giveme a hand?
[07:15] <goldfish> stan-am: firefox?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Ziggity: run firefox froma terminal and see if there are errors
[07:15] <goldfish> oh any
[07:15] <levander`> I installed a new kernel during the last upgrade, but haven't rebooted.  I'm not running it yet am I?
[07:15] <nalioth> delire: a multifaceted gui interface is a good idea "./system_guts_spanner"
[07:15] <deprave> stan-am: IPv6?
[07:15] <goldfish> stan-am: turn off ipv6 in them
[07:15] <delire> Belutz: hmm, good question.
[07:16] <thoreauputic> olivier: edit /etc/bash,bashrc
[07:16] <nalioth> levander`: not yet
[07:16] <stan-am> how do i o that?
[07:16] <jowi> Ziggity, you can try to type in 'killall firefox-bin' then restart firefox again
[07:16] <delire> nalioth: agreed, while SuSE is a little shite in other areas, it's Yast interface does provide this.
[07:16] <Belutz> delire: yup... i want to try the ubuntu in my PC first, but got problem with that
[07:16] <levander`> nalioth: would uname -a repot the version of the new kernel, or the kernel I'm still running?
[07:16] <stan-am> is there a command like : " ipconfig /flushdns" on linux?
[07:16] <vatore> stan-am: or try to use/disable/change proxy (depends on your actual configuration)
[07:16] <nalioth> delire: YAST is either santified or vilified
[07:16] <nalioth> levander`: your running one, i'd assume
[07:16] <delire> nalioth: true
[07:17] <thoreauputic> levander`: the current running kernel
[07:17] <levander`> stan-am: you could try restarting your dhclient
[07:17] <delire> Belutz: it's been along time since i've used RAID. i don't think i can offer useful help.
[07:17] <Gourami> what do I need to install for mplayer to play dvd's ?
[07:17] <psychonate> Gourami, libdvdcss.
[07:17] <stan-am> how do i do that levander?
[07:17] <nalioths_dog> Gourami: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[07:17] <thoreauputic> Gourami: probably libdvdcss2
[07:17] <Gourami> psychonate:
[07:17] <delire> stan-am: if you 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' does the slow down continue?
[07:17] <Gourami> already installed
[07:17] <Belutz> delire: it's ok... in the forums just discussing about hdd that is on RAID, not CD ROM drives
[07:17] <Goek> Gourami, use synaptic
[07:17] <stan-am> let me see delire
[07:18] <psychonate> Gourami, is mplayer crashing?
[07:18] <delire> Belutz: ahah
[07:18] <levander`> nalioth: thoreauputic: but  'uname -a' reports 2.6.10 and I don't see a kernel with a higher version number than that in /boot
[07:18] <Gourami> I installed libdvd with vlc but then installed mplayer afterwards
[07:18] <psychonate> Gourami, does mplayer crash when you try to play DVDs?
[07:19] <thoreauputic> levander`: it doesn't report that, it reports more
[07:19] <digitalfox|sleep> psychonate, it does for me
[07:19] <psychonate> Gourami, there is a bug that affects many it seems, where mplayer crashes when it encounters AC3 audio. That could be your problem as well.
[07:19] <levander`> is there any file in /proc that reports the kernel running so I can double check? Maybe I am running the new kernael, even though I know I haven't rebooted.
[07:19] <Gourami> psychonate: when I start up I get a face/font error and when I try play a dvd I get Fatal could not initialise
[07:19] <psychonate> The bug isn't filed in the bugzilla yet though.
[07:19] <delire> stan-am: also, run 'top' and see if it's the browser that's eating system resources. i find that heavy flash sites can really slow down my system. also too many embedded java applets.
[07:19] <levander`> thoreauputic: Linux bread 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 09:34:54 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:19] <thoreauputic> levander`: for instance,  2.6.10-5-686
[07:19] <devios_> what app is everyone using in ubuntu for NNTP and ripping binaries out of NNTP?
[07:20] <psychonate> Gourami, the font face thing is easily fixable
[07:20] <thoreauputic> levander`: what are you expecting to see?
[07:20] <levander`> thoreauputic: the only other kernel is a 2.6.8 smp
[07:20] <nalioth> devios_: i use Pan for my nntp purposes
[07:20] <thoreauputic> levander`: and?
[07:20] <Gourami> vlc was working but everyone said that mplayer was sooo fantastic
[07:20] <Gourami> I cant open a .ts or a dvd
[07:20] <levander`> thoreauputic: well, since I've installed a new kernel with my last update, but haven't rebooted yet, i'd expect to find a higher kernel version than I'm currently running, as stated above.
[07:20] <psychonate> Mplayer is fantastic, but actually IMO XINE is the best for DVDs.
[07:21] <delire> Gourami: have you tried 'mplayer dvd://'?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> levander`: ah I see what you mean now
[07:21] <psychonate> Gourami, it normally can open DVDs, but I can't get the Ubuntu build to do it. It crashes for me everytime it encounters AC3.
[07:21] <chaps0063> Any reason why open office wouldn't work for me off default install?
[07:21] <delire> psychonate: ouch
[07:21] <Gourami> delire ?
[07:21] <psychonate> delire, it's a common problem in Ubuntu apparently.
[07:22] <levander`> I must be running the new kernel somehow.  If I search packages.ubuntu.com will it tell me the latest kernels in hoary?
[07:22] <tommi^>  I have installed openoffice.org-gnomevfs package but the oo.org file dialog still isn't the gnome one and I can't access vfs'. What can I do? Thanks (last repost)
[07:22] <psychonate> delire, I suppose I should file a bug.
[07:22] <delire> psychonate: hmm, wonder why that is..
[07:22] <thoreauputic> levander`: check what you have in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:22] <chaps0063> it just freezes and I can't get into OO word or anything
[07:22] <delire> psychonate: if it's as reproduceable as you say, then definitely.
[07:22] <thoreauputic> levander`: there's no way your kernel can change without a reboot
[07:22] <psychonate> delire, sure, I'll show you something
[07:23] <Gourami> delire: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[07:23] <Gourami> - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[07:23] <frank> I don't think mplayer has dvd menu support, does it?
[07:23] <delire> Gourami: ouch.. and this same dvd plays in vlc?
[07:23] <salil> does anyone know.. how to uninstall KUBUNTU.....??
[07:23] <psychonate> delire, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash
[07:23] <Gourami> delire: yes
[07:24] <jowi> salil, format the partition?
[07:24] <levander`> well, packages.ubuntu.com says that 2.6.11 is the latest kernel.  That must have been the one I installed with the last update.  Does it just get put in /boot after I reboot the first time?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> levander`: if it's a patch on an existing version you may only see the difference in the full package name as on the .deb
[07:24] <psychonate> delire, basically, one can compile mplayer from scratch to fix the problem. The Ubuntu build uses Ubuntu's libavcodec rather than the one included with mplayer. This causes problems.
[07:24] <chaps0063> would anyone know why openoffice fails to open completely?
[07:24] <frank> salil: you mean so you only have ubuntu with no kde?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> levander`: 2.6.11 is deprecated and will never be installed unless you chose it
[07:25] <psychonate> delire, but if one compiles mplayer from scratch, it won't be managed by apt :(
[07:25] <delire> Gourami: apparently this is a known problem. psychonate has posted the exact same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46138&highlight=mplayer+dvd+crash
[07:25] <psychonate> delire, well, I didn't even post that.
[07:25] <thoreauputic> levander`: 2,6,11 is unsupported and buggy
[07:25] <delire> psychonate: oh.. didn't read the nick ;)
[07:25] <psychonate> delire, but that is the same problem. It's very common it seems.
[07:25] <levander`> thoreauputic: i think the kernel update just incremented the value reported by uname, even though I'm not running it yet...
[07:26] <thoreauputic> *sigh* uname -a reports the *running* kernel
[07:26] <Gourami> alsa-uninit: pcm closed
[07:26] <psychonate> delire, I tried using that guy's patch (mentioned in one of the posts in that thread), but I don't know how to use 'dpatch'
[07:26] <levander`> thoreauputic: well, I updated half an hour ago, i saw a new kernel installed, and I know I haven't rebooted in the last hour
[07:27] <Gourami> psychonate: not using a notebook are you ?
[07:27] <skalpel> thoreaputic: so what is thoreapy anyway?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> levander`: check the date >> uname -v
[07:27] <psychonate> Gourami, no.
[07:28] <thoreauputic> skalpel: think of henry David Thoreau and Civil Disobedience ;)
[07:28] <levander`> thoreauputic: Tuesday, June 7 is the date on uname -v
[07:28] <xinel> okies its definately my resolution not staying default
[07:28] <xinel> :E
[07:28] <delire> psychonate: perhaps just use 'patch -p0 < patchfile'?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> levander`: that's not a new kernel
[07:28] <skalpel> who is henry david thoreau?
[07:28] <delire> a writer i believe
[07:28] <thoreauputic> levander`: same date as mine (not updated)
[07:29] <thoreauputic>  03:29:00 up 35 days, 11:47,  2 users,  load average: 0.56, 0.27, 0.13
[07:29] <psychonate> delire, that is a patch for a patchfile, but it won't work. Even so, I patched the patchfile by hand then. But I don't know how to use the newly patched patcfile lol
[07:29] <nn> how do i make a window transparent in xorg?\
[07:29] <levander`> there's a log file of the packages I installed of that last update I ran, maybe I misread a package name.
[07:29] <psychonate> s/patcfile/patchfile
[07:29] <levander`> there's a log file?
[07:29] <delire> skalpel: or possibly a certain 'thoreauputic'
[07:29] <psychonate> delire, the patchfile we're patching is for some program called 'dpatch', and I have no idea how to use it.
[07:30] <delire> psychonate: oh, never used 'dpatch'
[07:31] <delire> skalpel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoreau
[07:32] <Gourami> what is the best format to rip dvd to ?
[07:32] <psychonate> well, personally, I use XINE for DVD, and mplayer for everything else. But DVDs aren't the only files with AC3 :(
[07:32] <thenuke> Gourami: propably xvid
[07:32] <enyc_> 'gour: depends what you trying to do with it ;-)
[07:32] <delire> Gourami: ogg or xvid
[07:32] <Gourami> havent seen xvid in vlc lemme check
[07:32] <psychonate> ogg=container ;)
[07:32] <enyc_> 'gour: e.g. trying to copy to another dvd,  trying to keep for laer viewing / record-as-small(er)-file,  or keep vfor viewing and write to another DVD later maybe ;p
[07:33] <delire> psychonate: ok ok 'theora' ;)
[07:33] <psychonate> :) ty
[07:33] <psychonate> I still haven't tried theora
[07:33] <psychonate> I trust XviD
[07:33] <Gourami> no xvid in vlc
[07:33] <Gourami> vlc does ogg, will try it out
[07:33] <enyc_> theora works... its somewhat buggy/incomplete-implementaations though
[07:33] <enyc_> 'e.g. mplayer doesnt seem to "scale" a theora video
[07:34] <delire> enyc_: hmm
[07:34] <psychonate> For one-CD rips, I think the best I've used was XviD + Vorbis in a matroska container
[07:34] <psychonate> least overhead with maximum functionality IMO
[07:34] <delire> hah matroska. this is popular currently.
[07:34] <Gourami> what do you mean by container ?
[07:34] <delire> bubbling up from the swamp..
[07:35] <psychonate> Gourami, for instance, AVI is a container
[07:35] <psychonate> it "holds" the audio/video streams
[07:35] <Gourami> ok container=format ?
[07:35] <delire> Gourami: it provides header information largely, and regulates playback. you probably know it as format yes.
[07:35] <Gourami> ok
[07:36] <psychonate> I always liked dvd::rip, but I don't really use that stuff much anymore
[07:36] <nn> this is an interesting conversation as i'm writing a media player right now
[07:36] <nn> designed for our handheld offering :)
[07:36] <psychonate> nice
[07:36] <delire> nn: good..
[07:36] <nn> got a long while til it's usable tho
[07:37] <delire> psychonate: gtanscode is worth a look, though i think kmenc15 and dvd:rip are fabulous
[07:37] <psychonate> I like a media player that can play anything I need, which is I why it bugs me that  my mplayer crashes heh
[07:37] <nn> but trying to find a "native" media format that's open and good quality for size on 640x480 (7" wide-screen)
[07:37] <delire> psychonate: *gtranscode to be corrent
[07:38] <psychonate> I might check them out sometime, but I haven't had to encode anything for months now heh
[07:38] <nn> bblbbiab
[07:38] <psychonate> except for my audio CDs :)
[07:38] <delire> psychonate: well, here on debian it's been years since i've had issues with mplayer.
[07:39] <psychonate> I was thinking about trying unstable
[07:39] <psychonate> bu I think I'm going to go with LFS, instead, for a learning experience
[07:39] <psychonate> (I have a spare, older box I'm going to use)
[07:39] <psychonate> s/bu/but
[07:39] <xinel> okies its gnome that keeps changing my resolution :E
[07:40] <delire> psychonate: a good move. ubuntu has defaults far more sensible than debian for desktop users, but frankly i love a good debian testing/unstable mix.
[07:40] <delire> psychonate: linux from scratch will teach you a great deal.
[07:40] <fabbione> does anybody know if evolution can work together with spamassassin?
[07:41] <fabbione> i recall we did something about it.. but i don't remember the details...
[07:41] <psychonate> Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.
[07:41] <delire> fabbione: i believe so, esp a combo of procmail with a mail transport agent like exim.
[07:41] <psychonate> Gentoo taught me a good deal; I feel that LFS is the next logical step.
[07:42] <xinel> okies i have one setting in xorg "1280x1024" and gnome keeps restarting in 1024x768
[07:42] <xinel> :(
[07:42] <fabbione> delire: i know that kind of combination. i mean if evo can interface directly with spamassassin
[07:42] <delire> fabbione: it's been years, i don't know.
[07:42] <topyli> psychonate: or build a gnu/hurd box :)
[07:42] <psychonate> topyli, that may be a bit above me yet lol
[07:42] <delire> psychonate: or try Plan9 ;)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> psychonate: Is'nt LFS a fairly obvious step?
[07:43] <xyz> Hey everyone.
[07:43] <psychonate> DaSkreech, I suppose so
[07:44] <delire> fabbione: http://krath.dk/linux/evolution_spamfilter/
[07:44] <levander`> okay, so I finally got my devices created for packet writing!
[07:44] <delire> levander`: lovely!
[07:45] <levander`> but, i have a slower disc in the drive than what the drive supports and cdrwtool is reporting it's setting to a faster writing speed than the disc supports.  Any way to lower this?
[07:45] <elph0> hi all
[07:45] <fabbione> delire: thanks
[07:46] <Gourami> I cant open firestarter Failed to run /usr/sbin/firestarter:
[07:46] <Gourami>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[07:46] <delire> fabbione: anytime
[07:47] <levander`> well, unfortunately, the fact that I got that device file written means nothing, i still can't write dvd discs
[07:47] <Jet2k5> hello everyone
[07:47] <thenuke> hlo
[07:47] <topyli> Gourami: from the menu?
[07:48] <Gourami> yes topyli
[07:48] <Goek> Hey. i wanna open my torrent by default with azurues and not bittorent-gnome-thingie
[07:48] <Goek> what to do?
[07:48] <ph8> Seveas: Why do you recommend burning slowly?
[07:48] <topyli> Gourami: try from a terminal just for the hell of it :)
[07:48] <Jet2k5> Guys tell me if you consider this a bug:  I open synaptic to remove a package.  While I have that little menu to " remove, complete removal " I can't control sounds.
[07:49] <reagleBRKLN> how to install openoffice.org2? i have openoffice.org2-debian-files, openoffice.org2, openoffice.org2-writer, etc. but no exectuable files
[07:49] <reagleBRKLN> nothin in bin
[07:49] <`psycho> how do i enable ident serv?
[07:49] <Gourami> topyli: I get told I have to be sudo
[07:50] <topyli> Gourami: well, use sudo :)
[07:50] <delire> Goek: i believe you can manipulate mime-types/default applications in Gnome using a GUI interface. i haven't got Gnome handy however to assist.
[07:50] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: where did you get the packages? apt from ubuntu repositories?
[07:50] <Gourami> topyli: but why suddenly ? and wont run from the menu ?
[07:50] <AlexBO> Hello! I would like to download KDevelop with synaptic, but there are two packages: Kdevelop (An IDE for Unix/X11) and KDevelop3 (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version).Which are the differences?
[07:50] <Gourami> it runs with sudo from terminal
[07:51] <reagleBRKLN> topyli: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe
[07:51] <delire> Gourami: sudo == do as super-user (or "super user do"). this is used for executing commands that require administrative priveledges.
[07:51] <Goek> delire, ok
[07:51] <topyli> Gourami: you do need root privileges. the menu entry uses gksudo too
[07:51] <Goek> thanks anyway
[07:51] <jasoncohen> reagleBRKLN, if you installed openoffice.org2 you should see openoffice.org2 entries in applications > office menu
[07:51] <jasoncohen> Goek, it's easy
[07:51] <delire> topyli: good call.
[07:51] <xyz> Anyone have any luck running the AMD64 live CD on a HP L2000 laptop? Locks up when booting Ubuntu, might be the ATI card...
[07:52] <Goek> jasoncohen,  then please share your wisdom
[07:52] <Gourami> delire: topyli it was working up untill now without sudo, will restart a bit later
[07:52] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: oh yeah, jasoncohen is right, the binaries get installed in /usr/lib/openoffice.org or something
[07:52] <simple> gedit: error while loading shared libraries: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:52] <jasoncohen> Goek, right click on the torrent file, choose properties, and then Open With. Select the application you want to open with
[07:52] <simple> ^
[07:52] <reagleBRKLN> ok, i see it is there
[07:52] <simple> i've overwritten /etc/lo.so.conf on accident.. well without knowing i'd ruin the desktop
[07:52] <simple> what do i add back to it?
[07:52] <delire> reagleBRKLN: you may find 'whereis openoffice.org'
[07:52] <delire> reagleBRKLN: .. useful
[07:53] <jasoncohen> simple, one second
[07:53] <elmagozizou> How do I unrar files?
[07:53] <drcode> hi all
[07:53] <delire> reagleBRKLN: regardless, they should show up in the menu. if not, log out and back in (perhaps).
[07:53] <geppy> elmagozizou: unrar foo.rar ;)
[07:53] <topyli> Gourami: it's an X error or some other black magic
[07:53] <c0al> elmagozizou, sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[07:53] <jasoncohen> simple, apt-file is nice for these things. it downloads a compressed tarball with a list of every package and all the files they contain
[07:53] <c0al> elmagozizou, then unrar e package.rar
[07:54] <elmagozizou> c0al, tnkz
[07:54] <c0al> elmagozizou, np :)
[07:54] <jasoncohen> simple, sudo apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update
[07:54] <simple> yeah, but if you open /etc/lo.so.conf in gedit.. what does it say?
[07:54] <nalioth> c0al: unrar x is better, it retains directory structures
[07:54] <simple> i'm guessing it'd be the same, if you've gone with alot of default
[07:54] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: killing gnome-panel (it will respawn) will update the menu too
[07:54] <c0al> nalioth, thanks.
[07:55] <jasoncohen> simple, i have no /etc/lo.so.conf
[07:55] <delire> jasoncohen: /etc/ld.so.conf?
[07:55] <jasoncohen>  /usr/X11R6/lib
[07:56] <GeistFloripas> I can't use the Mplayer, although it's installed (MPlayer-k7). It opens and freezes as i try to play every thing, both videos or audios.
[07:56] <simple> that was it! thanks
[07:56] <cshields> greetings!   anyone know how to boot the PPC install cd on a PegasosPPC?
[07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, apt-file search libXext.so.6 yields
[07:56] <cshields> (from the SmartFirmware)
[07:56] <GeistFloripas> Some sugestion?
[07:56] <jasoncohen> libxext6
[07:56] <jasoncohen> libxext6-dbg
[07:56] <delire> GeistFloripas: it's a bit broken currently. your problem is shared by many ;(
[07:56] <[madman] > GeistFloripas:  hello. did you try mplayer -nosound ?
[07:56] <GeistFloripas> no
[07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, sudo apt-get install --reinstall libxext6
[07:56] <jasoncohen> simple, you probably mistakenly removed the file
[07:57] <[madman] > GeistFloripas:  i'd suggest compiling mplayer yourself. all distros have mplayer broken ;)
[07:57] <simple> nah
[07:57] <simple> i meant to add to it
[07:57] <simple> i overwritten that line
[07:57] <jasoncohen> [madman] , works fine for me
[07:57] <simple> tyvm, apt-file sound mighty helpfull
[07:57] <topyli> GeistFloripas: i suggest using xine :)
[07:57] <jasoncohen> simple, you mean /usr/X1146/lib
[07:58] <jasoncohen> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6
[07:58] <jasoncohen> ah, i see. so it was there but it couldn't find it because it didn't have the correct path
[07:58] <topyli> GeistFloripas: that way you get to choose from a few guis, all of them more sane than mplayer's
[07:58] <simple> using apt-file
[07:58] <simple> yeah
[07:58] <jasoncohen> simple, you already have it installed. you just didn't have the correct path in /etc/ld.so.conf
[07:58] <jasoncohen> simple, edit /etc/ld.so.conf and then type "sudo ldconfig"
[07:58] <simple> i installed wx-gtk2 and had to add a line to the file
[07:59] <[madman] > topyli:  as for guis it's easiest to assume that mplayer doesn't have one ;)
[07:59] <GeistFloripas> I heard about it, but i thought it'd better be with the automatic upgrades. There's any problem if i compile it myself? Should i disable or desintall the Mplayer in synaptic in this case?
[07:59] <delire> [madman] : gmplayer isn't *that* bad ;)
[07:59] <[madman] > topyli:  but the lack of gui doesn't make it worse ;)
[07:59] <bionic> how do i check how much ram i have in the machine?
[07:59] <Seveas> gui schmui :)
[07:59] <delire> bionic: ram
[07:59] <delire> bionic: top
[07:59] <Seveas> bionic, cat /proc/meminfo
[07:59] <topyli> [madman] : it never does if i for some reason happen to have it installed :)
[07:59] <jasoncohen> if you want a gui, use totem, xine-ui, kaffeine or vlc- not mplayer
[07:59] <[madman] > bionic:  open the case and check the modules ;)
[07:59] <jasoncohen> i find xine-ui best for DVDs
[08:00] <jasoncohen> bionic, type "top"
[08:00] <[madman] > bionic:  seriously - dmesg shows it ;)
[08:00] <xyz> Anyone have any luck running the AMD64 live CD on a HP L2000 laptop? Locks up when booting Ubuntu after detecting hardware, might be the ATI card...
[08:00] <bionic> Seveas, uhm, says Memtotal: 906660 kB, and i have 2x 512 1x 256?
[08:00] <jasoncohen> bionic, Mem:    646448k total
[08:00] <xinel> any working scripts for an all encompassing media?
[08:00] <jasoncohen> look for the Mem line
[08:00] <delire> xyz: not sure, have you looked at the Ubuntu laptop list?
[08:00] <bionic> Cant it be that ubuntu doesnt detect it all?
[08:01] <xyz> One second
[08:01] <bionic> Just rebooted, the bios counted the ram right..
[08:01] <[madman] > also free shows how much memory you have
[08:02] <[madman] >              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:02] <[madman] > Mem:        507488     251644     255844          0      12320     102704
[08:02] <topyli> xinel: i cannot parse that. define "all encompassing media"
[08:02] <[madman] > it's for 512M machine
[08:02] <bionic> Well yeah, but i have more than the ram it shows
[08:03] <bionic> my machine is much slower now all of a sudden
[08:03] <bionic> hmm
[08:03] <Daemonic> bionic: sms?
[08:03] <xinel> haha
[08:03] <xinel> plays most everything
[08:03] <bionic> Daehlie, sms?
[08:03] <xinel> and not just in my pants
[08:03] <Daemonic> bionic: slow machine syndrom?
[08:03] <salil> can anyone tell me how to uninstall kubuntu-desktop...??
[08:04] <topyli> xinel: well, xine, mplayer, vlc all do
[08:04] <bionic> Daemonic, uhm
[08:04] <[madman] > salapoliisi:  apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop ?
[08:04] <salil> i want full uninstallation.. all the packages and everything..
[08:04] <xyz> List doesn't have it, does that mean it's unsupported/won't work?
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/root> /usr/sbin/oooprelink1.9 -f
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> Prelinking OpenOffice.org binaries... /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: Could not stat /usr/lib/openoffice/program/*.bin: No such file or directory
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> something not right there
[08:04] <GeistFloripas> Thanks man... it's a bit strange. I've tried xine a week ago and didn't work. Now, after updating the system it's all right.
[08:04] <delire> bionic: what were you doing when it first slowed down?
[08:04] <delire> reagleBRKLN: what are you trying to do?
[08:04] <reagleBRKLN> prelink oo
[08:05] <topyli> reagleBRKLN: i don't think there are such files
[08:05] <reagleBRKLN> indeed not
[08:05] <bionic> delire, chatting, and downloading some stuff mainly
[08:05] <hondje> there are
[08:05] <bionic> gkrellm shows 885 total memory
[08:05] <reagleBRKLN> i think that script wants /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/
[08:05] <som1> why is tracepath gettings getting pings so fast and why are results so high? (if i tracepath the first hop(not my ip), i get 120ms.. if i ping it, i get 25ms)
[08:06] <hondje> ls /usr/lib/openoffice/program | grep bin shows them
[08:06] <salil> pt-get remove kubuntu-desktop removes only that specific package.. not others which have been installed while installing kubuntu. .!!
[08:06] <delire> som1: hehe good question.
[08:06] <skalpel> can someone help me with this error? i got it while trying to install um. firefox through synaptic E: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_1.0.6-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[08:06] <som1> delire, any ideas?
[08:06] <delire> som1: packet sizes the same ? ;)
[08:06] <`psycho> why isn't identd located in etc/init.d ?
[08:06] <som1> i dont know the packet sizes
[08:07] <Daemonic> hmm.. ubuntu configures sound cards using alsa, right?
[08:07] <delire> som1: well ping is 64 bytes
[08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, grrr, damn backports, heh
[08:07] <`psycho> any clues ?
[08:07] <[madman] > Daemonic:  tight
[08:07] <topyli> Daemonic: yes
[08:07] <elph0> why ubuntu adopted inetd and not xinetd ?
[08:07] <skalpel> jasoncohen: yes, i suppose so.
[08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you'll want to disable your backports source
[08:07] <salil> anyone.. know how to uninstall kubuntu with all the dependencies uninstalled as well..??
[08:07] <topyli> elph0: probably debian heritage
[08:07] <jasoncohen> skalpel, and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:08] <Daemonic> well it alsa fuxz0r3d up trying to configure my sound...
[08:08] <Daemonic> -it
[08:08] <skalpel> disable my backport source? can you help me with that?
[08:08] <[madman] > salil:  have an idea
[08:08] <hondje> elph0: licence on xinted
[08:08] <[madman] > salil:  remove kdelibs, all kde packages should depend on it
[08:08] <[madman] > ;)
[08:08] <`psycho> anyone? i need to start up a identd serv
[08:08] <elph0> hondje: wow! really?
[08:08] <`psycho> but i'm not using inetd
[08:08] <jasoncohen> skalpel, yes, first do this for me dpkg -l | grep mozilla-firefox
[08:09] <som1> so, if anyone knows whats the packet size tracepath uses
[08:09] <skalpel> sure
[08:09] <jasoncohen> skalpel, sorry, dpkg -l mozilla-firefox
[08:09] <salil> [madman] , let me try
[08:09] <hondje> elph0: yeah, it's free but not gpl compatable
[08:09] <Belutz> how do i search for files using command line?
[08:09] <som1> Belutz, slocate
[08:09] <som1> is the fastest
[08:09] <skalpel> jasoncohen: no feedback on that one.
[08:09] <Belutz> som1: thx :D
[08:09] <elph0> hondje: humm ok
[08:10] <delire> salil: use synaptic, or 'aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop' might be a good start. then you can use 'deborphan' to get rid of all unused packages. be careful with deborphan though.
[08:10] <jasoncohen> "dpkg -l mozilla-firefox" gives you nothing?
[08:10] <jazzanova> my locale is set to english utf and cyrillic utf.  does this mean that I have to use uxterm ?
[08:10] <hondje> You can install it if you want, though
[08:10] <som1> Belutz youll probably have to update the database
[08:10] <skalpel> jasoncohen: zero.
[08:10] <levander`> delire, why be careful with deborphan?
[08:10] <elph0> `psycho: xinetd i presume?
[08:10] <salil> [madman] , i think its working..
[08:10] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ modprobe cs46xx
[08:10] <Daemonic> WARNING: Error inserting ac97_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/ac97_codec.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:10] <Daemonic> FATAL: Error inserting cs46xx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/cs46xx.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:10] <Daemonic> ideas?
[08:10] <delire> did i say deborphan? i meant debfoster ;)
[08:10] <[madman] > salil:  i'm not sure if it removes _everything_
[08:10] <`psycho> elph0, no, i want to run it in stnadalone mode
[08:10] <Belutz> som1: how?
[08:10] <som1> Belutz, sudo slocate -u
[08:11] <jasoncohen> skalpel, how about dpkg -l firefox
[08:11] <Ocid> Daemonic: use sudo
[08:11] <skalpel> jasoncohen:Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[08:11] <skalpel> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[08:11] <skalpel> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[08:11] <skalpel> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[08:11] <skalpel> +++-[08:11] <skalpel> in  firefox        1.0.6-1ubuntu1 (no description available)
[08:11] <Daemonic> Ocid: DOH
[08:11] <jazzanova> how do I make xterm use a larger font ?
[08:11] <elph0> `psycho: could you tell me how do that? i think that i never did it before..
[08:12] <topyli> hondje: the xinetd license weirdness was news to me but the modification clause does seem a bit strange
[08:12] <hondje> jazzanova: under settings -> preferences
[08:12] <salil> the thing is.. the shutdown menu in gnome is gone.. and replaced by a new one.. like in KDE..
[08:12] <`psycho> elph0, i can't locate identd in init.d
[08:12] <`psycho> so i don't know myself
[08:12] <[madman] > jazzanova:  no, xterm doesn't use settings
[08:12] <delire> jazzanova: use xfontsel to select a font and then xterm -f <font>
[08:12] <salil> all the KDE dependent packages are gone.. i think.. but.. those little things still bother me..
[08:12] <jasoncohen> skalpel, you have the backports version of firefox installed - 1.0.6
[08:12] <jasoncohen> you are up to date
[08:12] <hondje> topyli: yeah, Stallman ended up saying it wasnt' GPL compatable, and since ubuntu is debian based we're all GNU-licious
[08:12] <[madman] > jazzanova:  you have to give it full font name xterm -fn ...
[08:12] <jazzanova> ok, thanks
[08:12] <elph0> humm ok
[08:12] <topyli> heh
[08:13] <skalpel> jasoncohen: alright
[08:13] <jasoncohen> skalpel, if i were you, i would disable backports, remove firefox, install mozilla-firefox from hoary-security and then add the official backports
[08:13] <salil> can any one tell me how to fix that..?
[08:13] <skalpel> k, how do i disable backports?
[08:13] <jake1> ok.. so i am trying to compile something from source, but it appears i do not have a C compiler.... any suggestions of which i should use
[08:13] <hondje> oh, he said xTERM, I read xCHAT hehehehe
[08:13] <hondje> jake1: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:13] <cadu> ubuntu = easy debian ? :)
[08:14] <topyli> cadu: partly true
[08:14] <Daemonic> Ocid: ok. modprobe cs64xx worked... but now I get... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:14] <hondje> cadu: ubuntu = debian with 'newer' desktop packages and a few things to make it easier, like sudo :)
[08:14] <delire> jazzanova: yes. xterm -fn, i said -f mistakenly for some odd reason.
[08:14] <delire> jake1: apt-get install gcc
[08:14] <topyli> well it's all true but there's more to it
[08:14] <cadu> hondje: debian has sudo :P
[08:14] <jazzanova> i need to have cyrrilic fonts
[08:14] <jazzanova> though
[08:14] <[madman] > jazzanova:  eventually you can add Xterm*font: .... to .Xdefaults
[08:15] <hondje> Yeah, but it's not set up to be sudo-voodoo like ubuntu is
[08:15] <Lorvija> hey, just considering to install ubuntu to my little sisters laptop and i prefer kde but i heard gnome is the default.. is it easy to change to kde?
[08:15] <cadu> sudo-voodoo ?
[08:15] <[madman] > jazzanova:  you can get the font name from xfontsel...
[08:15] <topyli> cadu: debian has most of what ubuntu does but ubuntu sets things up in a sane way by default
[08:15] <jazzanova> also, my locale is utf, so all the dpkg stuff is not showing properly, unless i use uxterm
[08:15] <topyli> heh
[08:16] <jazzanova> it can't display utf in normal xterm
[08:16] <luzbelito> hi, i created a script in ./etc/init.d/ called "adsl" and i execute it with /adsl start to connect. how can i configure ubutu for be automatically launched at boot with any user?
[08:16] <[madman] > jazzanova:  well... xterm never supported unicode well
[08:16] <delire> jazzanova: when you click 'select' in xfontsel, it's copied to the X buffer, so just middle-mouse-button (or CTRL-V) to paste that selection to the term.
[08:16] <jazzanova> ok
[08:16] <jazzanova> what happens if i use uxterm but ssh to a koi8-r system, then i can't see russian
[08:16] <delire> jazzanova: you might want an rxvt-esque terminal, like aterm
[08:17] <delire> jazzanova: hmm
[08:17] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ sudo alsamixer
[08:17] <Daemonic> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:17] <Daemonic> anyone?
[08:17] <jowi> setxkbmap is nice to use when in X to change languagelayout of the keyboard. But what command can i use to change the layout for a terminal when not using x?
[08:17] <elph0> cadu: simple, reliable debian version i mean
[08:17] <jazzanova> should i convert all my systems to utf too ?
[08:17] <Despeeh> when it is useful to use debfoster ?
[08:17] <hondje> luzbelito: easiest is to make symlinks in the /etc/rcN.d dirs
[08:18] <luzbelito> hondje, ok. can you help me to do that please ?
[08:18] <jazzanova> or should i convert ubuntu away from utf ?
[08:18] <nalioth> Despeeh: cleaning out orphaned pkgs
[08:18] <topyli> jazzanova: i'd say yes. there are old-fashioned things like mail, news and ircnet where you may want to make exceptions
[08:18] <Despeeh> ok thx
[08:18] <topyli> jazzanova: by yes i mean yes utf8 :)
[08:18] <jazzanova> keep utf ?
[08:18] <topyli> yes
[08:19] <Lorvija> hey, just considering to install ubuntu to my little sisters laptop and i prefer kde but i heard gnome is the default.. is it easy to change to kde? or can i just choose when installing?
[08:19] <jazzanova> and make the system i ssh to also utf ?
[08:19] <hondje> luzbelito: sure, but it'll be a second, phone keeps ringing
[08:19] <elph0> Lorvija: Kubuntu?
[08:19] <topyli> jazzanova: sure
[08:19] <levander`> Lorvija: kubuntu, or the kde-desktpo package (not sure about name of that package)
[08:19] <Lorvija> okay thanks elph0 & levander`
[08:20] <luzbelito> hondje, ok
[08:20] <elph0> ok :)
[08:20] <topyli> Lorvija: if you already have ubuntu, you can install the kubuntu-desktop package on that
[08:20] <nalioth> levander`: it's "kubuntu-desktop" for your future usage
[08:20] <Lorvija> topyli well i'm just downloading the ubuntu iso..
[08:21] <Lorvija> so kubuntu&ubuntu have the same software available as debian has?
[08:21] <topyli> Lorvija: but you don't know whether your little sister wants such a complicated desktop :)
[08:21] <elvirolo> hi all
[08:21] <ph8> is the kubuntu download just ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package?
[08:21] <Lorvija> topyli she liked it when i showed her knoppix (:
[08:21] <delire> topyli: kids love KDE.
[08:21] <elph0> ah! Why Morphix to livecds distros?
[08:21] <topyli> ph8: yes, and without gnome i guess
[08:21] <Lorvija> okay, does kde and gnome have lots of differencies? for example the speed?
[08:21] <cadu> Lorvija: gnome is lighter
[08:22] <delire> topyli: i've seen a 4 year go completely 'gooey' over it.
[08:22] <highvoltage> it is!?
[08:22] <topyli> delire: well it does look like candy and plastik
[08:22] <erikt> I sadly can't get my live CD to work.
[08:22] <cadu> Lorvija: you could use XFCE4 too ,  it's a very lightweight WM and it's pretty
[08:22] <delire> topyli: many respond deeply to that.
[08:22] <Lorvija> which one would you recommend to complete newbie.. kde or gnome?
[08:22] <elvirolo> could anyone tell me what the name (of the executable that is) of the GNOME utility which deals with network configuration?
[08:22] <cadu> Lorvija: you'll only miss rootwindow icons but you could use something like ROX
[08:22] <highvoltage> xfce is definately lighter. both gnome and kde are resource hogs.
[08:22] <cadu> highvoltage: nah, kde is more :)
[08:22] <topyli> Lorvija: honestly, since you can support kde better...
[08:22] <cadu> !start a wm ware
[08:22] <ubotu> cadu: No idea
[08:23] <highvoltage> network-admin
[08:23] <elvirolo> highvoltage, thanks a lot
[08:23] <din> highvoltage, xfce4 > *
[08:23] <highvoltage> elvirolo: np
[08:23] <erikt> question: do live CDs ususally don't work on laptops?
[08:23] <compubomb> how do you keep ubuntu from auto-loading X ?..
[08:23] <delire> highvoltage: second only to OSX's aqua, which hits the GPU and the system memory.
[08:23] <highvoltage> din: xfce4 = 42?
[08:23] <compubomb> i don't want a desktop manager
[08:24] <cadu> delire: but Aqua rocks
[08:24] <Lorvija> will gnome/kde run on laptop with 1000mhz processor and 256mb ram smoothly? or should i find lighter option?
[08:24] <din> 4.2.2 yes
[08:24] <highvoltage> delire: hehe!
[08:24] <delire> cadu: it's horrible
[08:24] <compubomb> i just want to be able to type startx and presto
[08:24] <elph0> Lorvija: i prefer gnome... less doc, but really intuitive
[08:24] <cadu> delire: why ?
[08:24] <delire> cadu: i have to use it at work. horrible
[08:24] <hondje> sorry luzbelito about the wait. If you want it to start at boot for all your runlevels, and stop at shutdown, run 'sudo update-rc.d <scriptname> start <priority> 2 3 4 5 . stop <priority> 0 1 6 .'  Scriptname is JUST the name in /etc/init.d, not the whole pathname IIRC, and priority is a two digit number, like 30, 50, 80, etc
[08:24] <highvoltage> Lorvija: both should run fine (not at the same time though)
[08:24] <Daemonic> daemonic@Demon:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa start
[08:24] <Daemonic>  * Setting up ALSA...
[08:24] <Daemonic> Invalid card number.
[08:24] <Daemonic> Usage: amixer <options> command
[08:24] <Daemonic> Available options:
[08:24] <compubomb> anyone ?
[08:24] <Ziggity> Help
[08:24] <Daemonic> I run that and it scrolls thourhg about ten times.
[08:24] <Ziggity> Firefix stopped working
[08:24] <Daemonic> any ideas why?
[08:24] <din> highvoltage, http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce49sb.jpg
[08:24] <din> :p
[08:24] <Ziggity> when I click the Icon to start it - task bar sez starting Firefox .. then nothing happens..
[08:24] <cadu> delire: OSX is beautiful AND bsd unix on its guts, it rocks
[08:25] <compubomb> Ziggity: try deleting your .mozilla file, make sure you so a find ./.mozilla/ -name "*bookmark*.html"
[08:25] <hondje> luzbelito: so if it's named /etc/init.d/adsl, 'sudo update-rc.d adsl start <priority> 2 3 4 5 . stop <priority> 0 1 6 .' would work
[08:25] <cadu> delire: i would love to have a mac if these things weren't soo expensive in brazil :(
[08:25] <delire> cadu: the finder is a useability nightmare, ~/Applications is full of a zillion duplicate files. students never know where anything is. it's god awful slow, especially for 3D and the 'metal finish' wears very very thin.
[08:25] <topyli> Ziggity: could it be something referred to in the topic here?
[08:25] <ph8> ok
[08:25] <ph8> i've redownloaded and burnt the cd
[08:25] <hondje> note that in ubuntu, the 3 4 5 part is pointless, you're usually going to be in 2
[08:25] <ph8> and verified it
[08:25] <ph8> my iso is perfect
[08:25] <elph0> cadu: caro mesmo! hahaha
[08:25] <Ziggity> topyli,  what topic?
[08:25] <ph8> and the install cocks up in the same way
[08:25] <cadu> elph0: :'(
[08:25] <delire> cadu: there, i said it!... oh also, Apple is a very nasty corporation.
[08:25] <Lorvija> okay thanks for the help guys, i'll try the gnome.. if i dont like it i'll change to kde
[08:26] <topyli> Ziggity: topic of this very channel. type /topic and see
[08:26] <erikt> not as nasty as Microsoft.
[08:26] <hondje> Steve Jobs is a nasty man, too :)
[08:26] <compubomb> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DISABLE DESKTOP MANAGMENT AKA NO AUTO-START x ?
[08:26] <Despeeh> blackbox rulez
[08:26] <cadu> delire: i can't possibly agree with you ;"( i love OSX ...i still have my old powermac 8500 that doesn't runs OSX (only with a xpostfacto hack) but that doesn't counts :)
[08:26] <hondje> compubomb: yes, don't let gdm run at boot
[08:26] <topyli> compubomb: hard of hearing?
[08:26] <compubomb> yes or not would suffice  ^_^
[08:26] <highvoltage> din: nice, i'm going through another eyecandy vs minimalistic phase: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/24JUL05
[08:26] <elph0> Lorvija: welcome to customization world :P
[08:26] <compubomb> hmm, topyli it's hard to see your name heh..
[08:26] <Lorvija> :P
[08:26] <cadu> compubomb: just remove the /etc/rc2.d/S<xx>xdm file
[08:27] <compubomb> cadu: ugh, okay
[08:27] <Ziggity> topyli,  :: ooooo.. how do you uninstall firefox?
[08:27] <danielrr> hi
[08:27] <cadu> compubomb: it's actually a link to /etc/init.d/xdm
[08:27] <erikt> when burning ISO's, verifying required?
[08:27] <din> highvoltage, that fvwm?
[08:27] <highvoltage> Ziggity: sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[08:27] <hondje> cadu: should be gdm in a default install
[08:27] <highvoltage> din: that's gnome
[08:27] <cadu> hondje: sorry ...debian here
[08:27] <cadu> i'm _considering_ a switch
[08:27] <din> ah, transparent panels
[08:27] <hondje> :)
[08:27] <topyli> cadu: compubomb: the link will return at next upgrade. better to disable it properly
[08:27] <cadu> but i'm not a desktop user
[08:28] <hondje> I run both now, ubuntu for desk, debian for everything else
[08:28] <cadu> i would change just for the more timely updates
[08:28] <hondje> ah...if you're not a desktop user, the differences are minimal :)
[08:28] <highvoltage> din: so is this: http://jonathancarter.co.za/photies/screenshots/25MAR05
[08:28] <cadu> hondje: i'm a bit sad with debian testing
[08:28] <highvoltage> that was my gdeskletts phase
[08:28] <din> highvoltage, here's my eye candied up fvwm :) http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fvwm4pq.jpg
[08:28] <elph0> where can i see the expected features to the next ubuntu?
[08:28] <hondje> cadu: did they push the gcc4 changes into testing?
[08:28] <delire> cadu: Tiger is just a poor performer from my perspective, and apple are increasingly becoming a DRM lifestyle whitegoods company. i gladly put Ubuntu on my g5 tower - a massive speed up.
[08:28] <hondje> !breezy
[08:28] <cadu> hondje: and i'm considering a switch just because that, BUT, i'm afraid of losing all the customizability i have in debian by a bunch of scripts/wizards
[08:29] <hondje> !tell elph0 about breezy
[08:29] <danielrr> I need a biof help with a error during the second part of installing ubuntu
[08:29] <cadu> hondje: hell no, they're trying it in 'unstable' ...a whole breakage hell
[08:29] <skalpel> i just got the error cannot open xpistub library while trying to install firefox, can someone tell me why?
[08:29] <highvoltage> din: also nice.
[08:29] <delire> cadu: the other thing, OSX is incredibly inflexible, and expensive to maintain. OSX is a rental operating system, afterall - you don't actually *own* your computer.
[08:29] <din> highvoltage, nice shot :)
[08:29] <Ziggity> is there a package for Eclipse? for ubuntu?
[08:29] <cadu> delire: i confess i used Linux on the powermac too :)
[08:30] <hondje> cadu: I knew they went crazy with sid finally, but I've been tracking sarge for most things for the last couple months before it went stable, so I've missed the fun :)
[08:30] <topyli> cadu: ahh... unstable is unstable again! woo-hoo!
[08:30] <cadu> lll *grins*
[08:30] <erikt> can someone shed light why my Live CD for my Intel laptop :(
[08:30] <delire> cadu: ;)
[08:30] <cadu> hondje: sarge is very good for now, just a bit outdated as always
[08:30] <highvoltage> din: what do you use for the menu bar at the bottom?
[08:30] <cadu> hondje: unstable was very stable but then they started the abi change and bam, everything is breaking :)
[08:30] <cadu> hondje: plus x.org being added ...iirc from a backported ubuntu package
[08:30] <ryanja> hi room
[08:31] <danielrr> hi all
[08:31] <deprave__> engine - An input buffer is full
[08:31] <deprave__> interesting!
[08:31] <highvoltage> ryanja: hi
[08:31] <hondje> cadu: Sid 'was' pretty good, I was using it for the desktop until I went over here :D  Nice to see them back at work though
[08:31] <highvoltage> danielrr: howdy
[08:31] <hondje> cadu: if you got any debian migration questions, feel free to hit me up. There's a slight but non-zero chance I'll know :)
[08:31] <din> highvoltage, its an fvwmscript i made using fvwmscript and mpc/mpd the sensors on the side is xosview
[08:32] <highvoltage> kewl
[08:32] <danielrr> can any help me with an install error that halted the installation?
[08:32] <highvoltage> danielrr: only if you give us the error
[08:32] <elph0> breezy ...cool... im loving this
[08:32] <hondje> gnome 2.12 beta1 came out
[08:33] <Ziggity> whats the command to delete a folder from  terminal ??
[08:33] <highvoltage> Ziggity: rmdir
[08:33] <delire> Ziggity: rm -fr folder/
[08:33] <hondje> Ziggity: rmdir, or rm -rf <dir> if it's not empty
[08:33] <deprave__> what is breezy
[08:33] <highvoltage> deprave__: it's the development branch of ubuntu
[08:33] <deprave__> ah
[08:33] <elph0>  !tell deprave__ about breezy
[08:33] <highvoltage> the current one is hoary
[08:34] <[madman] > well... sometimest it's more stable than hoary ;)
[08:34] <elph0> its my time :P
[08:34] <delire> [madman] : really?
[08:34] <highvoltage> [madman] : i doubt that ;)
[08:34] <ryanja> ive found hoary to be very stable, I haven't had any problems
[08:34] <[madman] > only x.org is breaking sometimes due to big changes
[08:34] <cadu> hondje: i just wanna be able to do things the way i do in debian...i'm trying gentoo in a VMWare virtual box and it's very up-to-date but it isn't very concise and it's _strange_ ...specially when you're accustomed to doing things the debian way for years
[08:34] <highvoltage> [madman] : i haven't seen x working on breezy yet
[08:34] <[madman] > i've finally made the new modular xorg working yesterday ;)
[08:34] <Ziggity> thanx
[08:34] <`psycho> how to rename file?
[08:34] <hondje> cadu: yeah, I like the 'debian' way....it's way easier, especially when you finally learn it :)
[08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: mv
[08:35] <Ziggity> is there a package for Eclipse? for ubuntu?
[08:35] <[madman] > still, some packages are missing
[08:35] <delire> `psycho mv
[08:35] <cadu> hondje: i could easily use gentoo, but i don't know the way of doing things in that 'gentoo way'
[08:35] <[madman] > `psycho:  man mv
[08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: mv source destination
[08:35] <`psycho> rename fil fil2 gives some strict subs error
[08:35] <cadu> hondje: i couldn't handle it very well, i tried doing things manually and my changes got overriden by portage updates and things :'(
[08:35] <Ziggity> has / does anyone use ubuntu as a web Server ?
[08:35] <hondje> cadu: ubuntu is totally debian underneath the desktop
[08:35] <highvoltage> `psycho: rename is a DOS command. Google for the DOS to BASH HOWTO
[08:36] <cadu> hondje: example, for adding a thing to your runlevel you use something like rc-update add <program> default..shitty
[08:36] <highvoltage> Ziggity: I do.
[08:36] <jazzanova> so, i have debian install in utf8, using russian, and in console, all the characters are broken.
[08:36] <[madman] > Ziggity:  well my whole server is ubuntu: web, ssh, database etc.
[08:36] <`psycho> ah
[08:36] <`psycho> :))
[08:36] <cadu> hondje: i prefer the rcX.d and init.d approach....MUCH better
[08:36] <hondje> yeah, update-rc.d is what I know
[08:36] <highvoltage> hi linuxboy
[08:36] <hondje> or just making symlinks myself
[08:36] <elph0> Ziggity: try synaptic with universe and multiverse checked
[08:36] <Ziggity> OUCH! nautilis has quit unexpectedly>> why> whats it do?
[08:36] <cadu> hondje: in debian i just create a new program in init.d and link it using the [SK] nnPROGRAM link way...easy!
[08:36] <jowi> I got a question: how do i change the keyboard mapping in a terminal - like 'setxkbd se' but for when not using X?
[08:36] <ryanja> I've switched from suse to ubuntu, and with suse pushing more towards kde i didn't know how I was going to like gnome.  I actually like gnome better and haven't found a reason to go back to kde,  does anyone prefere kde over gnome.
[08:36] <[madman] > jazzanova:  well... i'm polish and have the characters broken, too ;)
[08:36] <Ziggity> highvoltage, : as production server?
[08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: yes.
[08:37] <[madman] > jowi:  loadkeys
[08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: my asterisk server also runs on ubuntu (warty though)
[08:37] <Ziggity> highvoltage, What spec is the hardware?
[08:37] <jazzanova> madman: so you can't do dpkg in console ? need to use X ?
[08:37] <TeraClon> kde has neat things
[08:37] <jowi> [madman] , ahhh, cheers
[08:37] <Zippys> Hey, I installed ubuntu and when it boots up it geos to black screen.
[08:37] <hondje> cadu: using update-rc.d is even easier, saves a lot of typing :)
[08:37] <cadu> i would use kde if i could get only the WINDOWMANAGER
[08:37] <highvoltage> Ziggity: P4, 1GB RAM, 2x 200GB hard disks (raid1)
[08:37] <Ziggity> highvoltage, asterisk??
[08:37] <ryanja> i do like k3b, its a nice burning progam, but other then that not much
[08:37] <[madman] > jowi:  you've gotta know what keymap do you need
[08:37] <topyli> Zippys: nothing? no shell prompt?
[08:37] <Zippys> no.
[08:38] <Zippys> nothing.
[08:38] <highvoltage> Ziggity: open source pbx software: asterisk.org
[08:38] <[madman] > jowi:  they're in /usr/share/keymaps, as i recall
[08:38] <cadu> ryanja: i use XFCE all the way but i use K3B for cd-burning (wife)...had to install a BUNCH of kdelibs just for k3b ;'(
[08:38] <Ziggity> highvoltage, : do you know of a guide for setting it as a webserver?
[08:38] <ryanja> ouch
[08:38] <jazzanova> and how do i set dvorak in console ?
[08:38] <hondje> Am I the only one who uses nautilus to burn cds?
[08:38] <topyli> Zippys: bad. sounds like a broken framebuffer but iirc ubuntu doesn't even use that
[08:38] <highvoltage> Ziggity: for what do you want to use it?
[08:39] <danielrr> here is the error: Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null & this error: (process:15918) : GLIB-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry'to'GstXMLRegistry'
[08:39] <ryanja> have you found any issues with xfce with ubuntu
[08:39] <[madman] > jazzanova:  well... loadkeys - but don't know which keymap
[08:39] <jowi> [madman] , yeah, found them but had no idea what command to use. thanks alot
[08:39] <Ziggity> web and email server
[08:39] <GNULinuxer> Welcome scorpix
[08:39] <highvoltage> Ziggity: I suggest you just apt-get intall apache2, it runs out of the box, then you can just ask for help if you want to do something.
[08:39] <Zippys> I have Nvidia video card.
[08:39] <Zippys> That always has problems with alot of distros.
[08:39] <Ziggity> I still can't get firefox to load
[08:39] <highvoltage> Ziggity: if you just want to play with apache a bit, than I suggest you take a look at http://www.apachefriends.org
[08:40] <erikt> I still can't get the Live CD to boot,
[08:40] <erikt> freezes at %98,
[08:40] <SG1> Zippys: sounds like a dead framebuffer
[08:40] <hondje> Zippys: nvidia works just fine, their linux support is quite nice...ATI is the one to watch for
[08:40] <Zippys> topyli Zippys: bad. sounds like a broken framebuffer but iirc ubuntu doesn't even use that
[08:40] <jazzanova> madman: i need to install dvorak for good, not loadkeys
[08:40] <jowi> jazzanova, /usr/share/keymaps/i386/dvorak has some for you. use "loadkeys dvorak-classic" or what keymap you want
[08:40] <[madman] > Ziggity:  actually, the default ubuntu apache _just works_ if you only need it to play for a little
[08:40] <GNULinuxer> Howdy salil
[08:41] <SG1> hi GNULinuxer
[08:41] <jowi> jazzanova, sorry, didn't see your last statement
[08:41] <salil> can anyone please tell me which packages i need to install to see VIDEO using TOTEM player
[08:41] <Zippys> So how would I fix this broke framebuffer?
[08:41] <GNULinuxer> Hello BirdFish
[08:41] <salil> howdy GNULinuxer
[08:41] <BirdFish> Hi
[08:41] <[madman] > jazzanova:  and you can set it permanently in /etc/defaults/console or sth. like that
[08:41] <Ziggity> my firefox has died..
[08:41] <cadu> Ziggity: heheeh
[08:41] <SG1> Zippys: hold
[08:42] <BirdFish> How would I change the placement minimized applications?
[08:42] <Last_in_Line> I'm back with a brand new install, can someone pls help me install egroupware?
[08:42] <GNULinuxer> Hola! no_gatez_fan
[08:42] <jazzanova> thanks
[08:42] <BirdFish> I want them to minimize to the top taskbar rather than the bottom
[08:42] <erikt> ah, I'll burn another copy, and if that doesn't work, wouldn't hurt to try Kubuntu.
[08:42] <Ziggity> cadu, : its not funny.. :(
[08:42] <no_gatez_fan> hello
[08:42] <Ziggity> I wnat it back ...
[08:42] <salil> which packages are needed to use VIDEO in TOTEM player..??
[08:42] <jowi> Ziggity, did it crash or what happened?
[08:42] <SG1> Zippys: video=vga16:off
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: when you get to grub...
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: press e to edit the entry
[08:43] <skalpel> is there a terminal app which supports transparency
[08:43] <skalpel> ?
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then goto teh kernel line and press e again
[08:43] <Ziggity> jowi, no.. stopped working when I  had backports .. removed them.. then upgraded.. still nothing..
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then add video=vga16:off to the end of the line
[08:43] <Ziggity> removed firefox.. reinstalled .. still nothing..
[08:43] <SG1> Zippys: then get back to the entry and press b
[08:44] <jowi> Ziggity, do you get an error if you start firefox in a terminal?
[08:44] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50
[08:44] <ankur> Hi, I deleted the user account, that I used to login; now GDM wont start, could someone help??
[08:44] <Ziggity> jowi, how do I do that??
[08:44] <boodle> using hoary... in Evolution, my folder list does't update the new message count realtime... anyone have a fix?
[08:44] <Zippys> is that it?
[08:44] <Zippys> lol
[08:44] <SG1> Zippys: well thats a temporary fix...
[08:44] <skalpel> delire: bash: aterm: command not found
[08:44] <[madman] > skalpel:  xterm ?
[08:44] <delire> skalpel: apt-get install aterm && aterm -tr -sh 50
[08:45] <SG1> Zippys: once you get on ubuntu you'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:45] <jowi> Ziggity, to open a terminal right-click on the desktop and choose terminal. type in "firefox" and press enter.
[08:45] <SG1> Zippys: also, try the failsafe one first...
[08:45] <Ziggity> jowi, .. no error and still no firefox
[08:45] <Zippys> there is no failsafe
[08:45] <[madman] > Ziggity:  killall firefox
[08:45] <delire> [madman] : xterm doesn't support transparency.
[08:45] <[madman] > Ziggity:  firefox
[08:45] <skalpel> delire: can you give me that again with white foreground text instead of black?
[08:45] <jowi> Ziggity, killall firefox-bin
[08:46] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black
[08:46] <skalpel> delire: and is there a way to add tint to this?
[08:46] <SG1> Zippys: sorry its called "recovery mode"
[08:46] <Ziggity> jowi, trying that
[08:46] <[madman] > skalpel:  yes, there is tinting, -tint ?
[08:46] <SG1> Zippys: it will bring you up in single user though.
[08:46] <delire> skalpel: aterm -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black -tint blue
[08:47] <skalpel> k
[08:47] <SG1> Zippys: so try the adding to grub first.
[08:47] <Ziggity> ok!!  what the killall firefox-BIN do???
[08:47] <Zippys> ok
[08:47] <Zippys> brb
[08:47] <Zippys> maybe
[08:47] <Zippys> lol
[08:47] <SG1> Ziggity: it kills all intances of firefox
[08:47] <skalpel> delire: perfect, and i guess -font would be used to change the font?
[08:47] <jowi> Ziggity, if firefox was running - it shut it down
[08:47] <Ziggity> Woohoooo it works..
[08:47] <delire> skalpel: yes, or just -fn <name>. use xfontsel to select
[08:47] <[madman] > skalpel:  better put all of these in .Xdefaults
[08:48] <skalpel> [madman]  where is that located?
[08:48] <[madman] > skalpel:  ~/.Xdefaults
[08:48] <SG1> Ziggity: when your feeling really mean you give it a killall -9 firefox-bin .. that force kills it
[08:48] <[madman] > then you'll just need to type aterm, it will use your options
[08:48] <comforteagle> what is the firefox pkg called? I can't apt-get install firefox or firefox-bin.
[08:48] <Ziggity> jowi, I tried [madman] 's killall firefox (without bin) and it reported no processes but with bin it worked? why??
[08:49] <jowi> Ziggity, because when firefox starts the process is named "firefox-bin"
[08:49] <skalpel> [madman] : that would be preferable. what should the entry look like?
[08:49] <[madman] > Ziggity:  well... firefox is just a script
[08:49] <SG1> Ziggity: "firefox" is a wrapper script that runs firefox-bin
[08:49] <[madman] > skalpel:  mine looks like this:
[08:49] <delire> skalpel: as [madman]  suggests Xdefaults is a good place to store the settings. here's mine as a reference http://selectparks.net/julian/Xdefaults
[08:49] <[madman] > skalpel:  Aterm*foreground: grey
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*background: black
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*transparent: false
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*scrollBar: false
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*termName: xterm-color
[08:49] <[madman] > Aterm*font:*-*-fixed-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
[08:49] <danielrr> here is the first install error Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null
[08:49] <Ziggity> SG1, whats the -9 directive do?
[08:49] <jowi> Ziggity, just like when i type "x-www-browser" it actually starts firefox-bin.
[08:49] <luzbelito> anyone recommends me another web browser instead of firefox? it dont works in a secure web page (ok with IE in windows, but i uninstalled it at all)
[08:49] <[madman] > Ziggity:  kills for good ;)
[08:50] <SG1> Ziggity: force kills it.. man kill and killall
[08:50] <SG1> [madman] : well some things will survive -9's
[08:50] <delire> skalpel: my personal reccomendation for a good font is aterm*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-*
[08:50] <Ziggity> ok... thanx..
[08:50] <Ziggity> now for the eclipse.. anyone got it working?
[08:51] <SG1> Ziggity: as in the IDE?
[08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity:  download java from java.sun.com
[08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity:  then download eclipse from eclipse.org
[08:51] <Ziggity> SG1, yes
[08:51] <skalpel> delire: and this file should be in my home dir? i do not seem to have one. should i create one?
[08:51] <[madman] > Ziggity:  they probably aren't packaged (java because of the license)
[08:51] <Ziggity> [madman] , is there no superduper apt-get install stuff for that?
[08:51] <polli> hey! I'm currently trying to install ubuntu (hoary) on my desktop machine.. it has hanged on the "configuring apt" step any suggestions or ideas?
[08:52] <Ziggity> jowi, Thanx for the firefox help
[08:52] <SG1> Ziggity: there is .. hold
[08:52] <jowi> Ziggity, you are welcome
[08:53] <ilba7r> hi I installed arabic language support and arabic fonts. I can now login using the arabic language. I can also switch to righting from right to left in open office. My problem is even when i use arabic fonts whatever i right is still in english! is there any more setting i have to do ? And Yes i installed openoffice-ar pack
[08:53] <medrakil> bye
[08:53] <Ziggity> highvoltage, I got apache2 on localhost.. but when I do port forward on my router/modem (netgear) I get a connection refused??
[08:53] <skalpel> delire: how come aterm does not appear in my gnome-menu?
[08:54] <skalpel> delire: i would like to use aterm as my default term program, can i set that through a config file too?
[08:54] <[madman] > skalpel:  well... it doesn't have a desktop file
[08:54] <struggler> is there any way in the hoary installer to force it to use lilo instead of grub?
[08:54] <xliu> is there any way to kill all the process whose comand is "firefox"?
[08:54] <[madman] > skalpel:  you can choose the default terminal program in gnome settings
[08:54] <SG1> Ziggity: http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/home.shtml
[08:54] <[madman] > xliu:  killall -9 firefox
[08:54] <[madman] > xliu:  killall -9 firefox-bin
[08:55] <danielrr> and here is the sencond install error (process: 15918) : GLib-GObeject-WARNING ** invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry' to 'GstXMLRegistry'
[08:55] <ilba7r> Ziggity try disabelling your router firewal and firfox
[08:55] <skalpel> ok
[08:55] <SG1> Ziggity: I believe they have packages for both java 1.5 sdk and eclipse.
[08:55] <Ziggity> xliu,  : killall firefox-bin wirked for me
[08:55] <SG1> hondje: :)
[08:55] <Kovecses> pkill?
[08:55] <smcuser> Does anyone know if there are any problems moving from Ubuntu 5.04 ext3 to Reiser 4 file system?
[08:55] <xliu> [madman] , thanks a lot, what does -9 means
[08:55] <polli> xliu: die f*cker
[08:55] <SG1> xliu: -9 is force kill
[08:55] <SG1> polli: pretty much
[08:55] <skalpel> k i hate to make it hard but what would the command line entry for what we have so far plus my font be?
[08:55] <Zippys> Can someone look back and find the line pointed towards me that said something like video=... ?
[08:56] <delire> skalpel: i don't use gnome here sorry, you'll need to look around for setting application defaults.
[08:56] <Kovecses> smcuser, if you dont mind me asking... what is the difference between ext3 and reiser
[08:56] <Zippys> sg1 deosn't want to reply.
[08:56] <Zippys> busy?
[08:56] <skalpel> or should i use xfontsel?
[08:56] <SG1> Zippys: hold
[08:56] <jowi> Ziggity, no need to disable the netgear firewall. but if you have a software firewall (like firestarter) you can disable that temporarily.
[08:56] <Zippys> lol
[08:56] <delire> skalpel: to select fonts, yes
[08:56] <skalpel> delire: i have aterm set, i just need the command line entry with a suitable font
[08:56] <Kovecses> delire, what do you use kde?
[08:56] <skalpel> xfontsel
[08:56] <salil> does anyone know.. how to remove the KUBUNTU settings... after uninstalling kubuntu..??
[08:56] <SG1> Zippys: video=vga16:off
[08:56] <djp> is it possible to disable the import photos warning that pops up when you attach your digi camera under hoary?
[08:56] <delire> Kovecses: http://wmi.modprobe.de
[08:56] <Zippys> thanks
[08:57] <[madman] > salil:  rm -rf ~/.kde
[08:57] <delire> skalpel: the font i posted earlier?
[08:57] <[madman] > salil:  it will remove ALL your kde settings, so be careful
[08:57] <salil> thanks [madman]
[08:57] <`psycho> gaah
[08:57] <salil> yes.. that's what i want..
[08:57] <skalpel> delire: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-*
[08:57] <skalpel> that one?
[08:57] <`psycho> can somebody PLEASE help with the damn identd serv??
[08:57] <delire> skalpel yes..
[08:57] <skalpel> using -fn
[08:57] <smcuser> It's a fast File System
[08:57] <danielrr> Can any help me with the two install errors that I entered in?
[08:57] <skalpel> ok, thank you, much
[08:57] <SG1> `psycho: whats wrong?
[08:58] <`psycho> i can't start it..
[08:58] <Determinist> doesnt ubuntu have mp3 support out of the box? i've just installed hoary and cant play mp3 files using xmms or the music player
[08:58] <smcuser> It's supposed to be more secure
[08:58] <Kovecses> delire, can you apt-get this wmi
[08:58] <`psycho> i don't even see usr/sbin/identd
[08:58] <`psycho> could it mean it's not even installed?
[08:58] <SG1> `psycho: what is your end issue? what are you trying to do? run ? program
[08:58] <SG1> `psycho: it is possible.
[08:58] <jowi> Determinist, that is correct. no mp3 support out-of-the-box
[08:58] <`psycho> start a identd serv
[08:58] <`psycho> :>
[08:58] <smcuser> Lastly it's suppose to make  better use of space
[08:58] <Ziggity> jowi, no software firewall except what comes with ubuntu
[08:58] <delire> Kovecses: yes. add "deb http://wegi.net/debian unstable/" to your sources.list
[08:59] <skalpel> delire: that did not work, it is still using gnome terminal
[08:59] <delire> skalpel: not sure sorry.
[08:59] <Determinist> jowi, well , how can one still get mp3 support? no xmms-mp3 package out there, at least not in synaptic
[08:59] <`psycho> hmm how do i install it?
[08:59] <jowi> Ziggity, and how did you set up port-forwarding in your netgear?
[08:59] <[madman] > Ziggity:  ubuntu has no filtering set by default
[08:59] <Determinist> jowi, correction , not in the repos i have set up for synaptic
[08:59] <hondje> hrm, another ethereal exploit :(
[08:59] <salil> [madman] , when i installed kubuntu.. it changed the shutdown dialog that pops open.. .. can you tell me how to change it back..??
[08:59] <delire> skalpel: echo $TERM to be sure what terminal you are using
[08:59] <smcuser> For more info on Reiser check out www.namesys.com
[08:59] <tritium> !restricted
[08:59] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:59] <tritium> Determinist: ^^
[08:59] <SG1> `psycho: apt-get install pidentd
[08:59] <jowi> Determinist, the package you are looking for is called gstreamer0.8-mad (for gstreamer apps)
[09:00] <jowi> thanks tritium
[09:00] <[madman] > salil:  shutdown dialog? what do you mean?
[09:00] <Determinist> jowi, thank you
[09:00] <Ziggity> went to configuration and set port 80 http to my IP of the ubuntu box
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: or gidentd
[09:00] <Determinist> tritium, thanks
[09:00] <[madman] > salil:  the login window?
[09:00] <Ziggity> jowi, went to configuration and set port 80 http to my IP of the ubuntu box
[09:00] <`psycho> hmm
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: or one of the 10 other ones.
[09:00] <tritium> no problem
[09:00] <Kovecses> brb
[09:00] <skalpel> delire: i am using xterm
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: apt-cache search identd
[09:00] <`psycho> what's the diff?
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: for a good list
[09:00] <SG1> `psycho: features
[09:00] <jowi> Ziggity, what router? RP?
[09:00] <`psycho> pIDNETD or gIDENTD=
[09:00] <`psycho> ?
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: ip4/ipv6... DES...NAT... features...
[09:01] <skalpel> delire: is there a config file i can edit to change this?
[09:01] <Ziggity> jowi, netgear dg814
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: apt-cache search identd
[09:01] <`psycho> what's des?
[09:01] <polli> no one that can come up with ideas why my installation process has hung at "configuring apt..."? It says it is "Setting up primary installation repository..."
[09:01] <`psycho> yea yea..i found ...
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: DES is an encryption algorithm
[09:01] <`psycho> oh
[09:01] <`psycho> i'll use gidentd
[09:01] <salil> [madman] : the login window also.. but what i meant was.. when you press the LOG OUT button in gnome.. is used to display a list of choices(logout, shutdown, standby, etc).. but now... it only displays logout..
[09:01] <`psycho> thx dood
[09:01] <danielrr> Can any one help me with my hanged install?
[09:01] <SG1> `psycho: No Problem
[09:02] <SG1> danielrr: whats wrong with it?
[09:02] <[madman] > salil:  strange... kde shouldn't be a problem here
[09:02] <SG1> danielrr: where is it hanged?
[09:02] <salil> [madman]  : can you please tell me how to fix that..??
[09:02] <jowi> Ziggity, i do not know that router. but my rp614 you need to set it up in "port forwarding"
[09:02] <danielrr> ok I will give you the two install errors
[09:02] <skalpel> delire: nm, i got it
[09:03] <SG1> Zippys: hello
[09:03] <SG1> danielrr: ok
[09:03] <struggler> Can I get the hoary installer to use lilo instead of grub?
[09:03] <Zippys> Adding video=vga16:off then booting it didn't work.
[09:03] <[madman] > salil:  well, to be honest, i've no idea what could be causing it
[09:03] <Ziggity> jowi, I will try .. thanx
[09:03] <jowi> Ziggity, because Ubuntu does not have firewall enabled from scratch (not needed)
[09:03] <MeLz> I have a Question
[09:03] <[madman] > struggler:  I tried - it wasn't a good choice
[09:03] <MeLz> I really like Ubuntu
[09:03] <SG1> Zippys: very odd..
[09:03] <Zippys> I should of added it to the kernel one right?
[09:03] <MeLz> But I want it bo boot Off my USB key
[09:03] <[madman] > struggler:  better install lilo after the instalation
[09:03] <SG1> Zippys: yeah
[09:03] <Zippys> ok
[09:03] <MeLz> Can I do That?
[09:03] <Zippys> Just making sure.
[09:03] <salil> [madman] : it happened after i installed kubuntu.. the login screen changed as well.. i tried changing it back.. but.. it does not change. !!!
[09:03] <jowi> Ziggity, make sure you press "apply" after you have set up the rule to make sure your router reloads the settings
[09:04] <SG1> Zippys: can you copy down the kernel line?
[09:04] <struggler> madman: well grub won't work (bios?) so I can't reboot in the install
[09:04] <Zippys> lol
[09:04] <SG1> Zippys: (the whole thing)
[09:04] <Zippys> ya i guess
[09:04] <danielrr> here are the errors Setting up gstreamer0.8-flac/var/lib/dpkg/info/gstreamer0.8-flac.postinst: line 8: 15917 Segmentation fault gst-register-0.8 --gst-debug-level=0 >/dev/null & this error: (process:15918) : GLIB-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GstXMLRegistry'to'GstXMLRegistry'
[09:04] <Zippys> anything else before i restart?
[09:04] <[madman] > struggler:  hm... you can cancel grub installation
[09:04] <[madman] > struggler:  and from the menu choose lilo
[09:04] <SG1> Zippys: ok.. well try it without the quiet
[09:05] <struggler> madman: ok, thanks
[09:05] <SG1> MeLz: boot off usb...
[09:05] <Zippys> there is ro quite option on it
[09:05] <[madman] > struggler:  it didn't work in warty - I didn't try hoary
[09:05] <Zippys> i know that, i remember it for some reason.
[09:05] <jowi> MeLz, depends on your USB key and your BIOS (have not tried usb-booting myself)
[09:05] <salil> can anyone help me with installing bluetooth adapter.. !!
[09:05] <SG1> Zippys: ok
[09:05] <Zippys> delete that?
[09:05] <SG1> Zippys: yeah
[09:05] <[madman] > salil:  maybe you'd try reinstalling gnome-session?
[09:05] <Zippys> ok
[09:05] <Zippys> brb
[09:05] <[madman] > salil:  just my guess
[09:05] <Scouse> don't suppose there's a mirror for Ubuntu DVD ISO is there? I'm getting a wopping 2kbs via bit torrent :)
[09:05] <salil> [madman] : how to do that..??
[09:05] <salil> how to reinstall gnome..?
[09:05] <struggler> madman: I don't recall it giving me the option, just saying it was going to install grub and doing it
[09:05] <SG1> danielrr: segfailts are never fun
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  not the whole gnome
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  just gnome-session
[09:06] <SG1> danielrr: I take it this is after the reboot into the system?
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  apt-get reinstall gnome-session ?
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  i'll check it, in a moment
[09:06] <salil> [madman] : lemme try
[09:06] <salil> [madman] : thanks
[09:06] <dtorg21> Need help with wireless, can anyone help?
[09:06] <[madman] > salil:  there's no reinstall in apt-get :/
[09:07] <SG1> salil: --reinstall
[09:07] <SG1> salil: apt-get --reinstall install gnome-session
[09:07] <danielrr> i did the first part of the install and this after reboot for the second  part of the install
[09:07] <SG1> danielrr: is tty2 active?
[09:07] <salil> SG1: thanks
[09:07] <SG1> danielrr: ie if you go ctrl-alt-f3
[09:07] <skalpel> delire: would Bitstream Vera Sans 9 be a proper font name for aterm command line?
[09:07] <SG1> danielrr: do you get a login?
[09:08] <[madman] > skalpel:  no, it's pango font name
[09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: what card?
[09:08] <danielrr> I do not know
[09:08] <salil> okay.. it is finished..
[09:08] <[madman] > skalpel:  aterm accepts only XFD
[09:08] <dtorg21> sg1: broadcom
[09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: oh, fun... ndiswrapper...
[09:08] <salil> [madman] : do i need to reboot..?
[09:08] <[madman] > skalpel:  so you have to use xfontsel
[09:08] <dtorg21> yeah
[09:08] <SG1> dtorg21: x86/amd64/ppc?
[09:08] <salil> SG1: do i need to reboot..??
[09:08] <[madman] > salapoliisi:  no, logout should be sufficent
[09:09] <dtorg21> amd64
[09:09] <salil> [madman] : thanks
[09:09] <benba> hi hi hi
[09:09] <SG1> danielrr: can you try.. or just one machine?
[09:09] <SG1> dtorg21: hmm not sure about the status of ndiswrapper on amd64
[09:09] <simont> Dumb question, whats the tar command to extract the directory for Thunderbird
[09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: might want to go to the ndiswrapper project for help unless anyone here knows it..
[09:10] <Zippys> Want that line?
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : its still the same..
[09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: I dont.
[09:10] <SG1> Zippys: sure
[09:10] <dtorg21> SG1: sorry im running x86 though
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : nothing has changed
[09:10] <[madman] > salil:  :/
[09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xf' extracts
[09:10] <Zippys> the quite part didn't work.
[09:10] <SG1> dtorg21: you are?
[09:10] <[madman] > salil:  so it wasn't gnome-session
[09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xzf' extracts a gzipped file
[09:10] <dtorg21> yes
[09:10] <dtorg21> SG1: yes
[09:10] <danielrr> SGI I did not understand your last question
[09:10] <highvoltage> simont: 'tar -xjf' extracts a bzipped2 file
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : what is gnome-session exactly..??
[09:10] <[madman] > salil:  something else is causing that
[09:10] <salil> [madman] : just the current session...??
[09:11] <SG1> danielrr: try to switch to tty2..
[09:11] <Zippys> /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash
[09:11] <[madman] > salil:  it's a package managing the whole sesison (what programs should be run, what to do on logout)
[09:11] <salil> ooh..
[09:11] <SG1> Zippys: alright so remove quiet and splash and add the video=
[09:11] <Zippys> ok
[09:11] <[madman] > salil:  could you check session settings ?
[09:11] <Zippys> video=vga16:off?
[09:11] <SG1> Zippys: see if it errors..
[09:11] <salil> [madman] : how do i do that..?
[09:11] <SG1> Zippys: yes
[09:11] <Zippys> ok
[09:11] <Zippys> brb
[09:12] <Kovecses> u guys here about xpde
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  there's an option for logout confirmation
[09:12] <SG1> dtorg21: hmm
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  maybe it's that
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  in settings, there's Session settings
[09:12] <danielrr> Curren;ty the computer is frozen shall I reboot? Ifso,how do I get into tty2?
[09:12] <[madman] > salil:  (i have polish locale set, so can't give you exact names)
[09:12] <salil> [madman] : that's what i'm trying to tell you.. the logout confirmation box has been changed.. and.. there's no setting there..
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: I have no experiance with ndiswrapper... http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: but thats what you should check out..
[09:13] <dtorg21> SG1: thanks a bunch
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: join #ndiswrapper
[09:13] <bmp> How long should it take for Ubuntu to get the software raid setup?
[09:13] <SG1> dtorg21: they have a channel
[09:14] <bmp> It's been using lots of CPU for a long time now.
[09:14] <danielrr> SGI Curren;ty the computer is frozen shall I reboot? Ifso,how do I get into tty2?
[09:14] <SG1> danielrr: sure
[09:14] <ilba7r> for ndiswrapper check this howto especially for broadcom card https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[09:14] <SG1> danielrr: ctrl-alt-f2
[09:14] <SG1> ilba7r: good job, too new to ubuntu to know that XD
[09:14] <pepp> hello I followed the instructions to install java at this site but not plugin luck with mozilla
[09:14] <pepp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[09:15] <pepp> Could it be that the plugin links are broken?
[09:15] <ilba7r> SGI you are welcomed
[09:15] <Kovecses> pepp, yeah it doesn't you have to tweak it
[09:15] <danielrr> SGI not doing a thing after ctrl-alt-f2
[09:15] <SG1> danielrr: is it fully booted?
[09:15] <Kovecses> pepp, it puts the wrong plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[09:15] <SG1> danielrr: just wondering.. what platform?
[09:16] <SG1> Zippys: any luck?
[09:16] <danielrr> it got stuck during install andf froze after the sencond error I stated
[09:16] <pepp> Kovecses: Which ones am I supposed to put in there?
[09:16] <Zippys> One error and it seems out-of-topic.
[09:16] <SG1> Zippys: .. give it
[09:16] <Zippys> and black screen still.
[09:16] <Zippys> Cd-rom: Open Failed.
[09:16] <Zippys> lol
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: oh.
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: maybe it has the devices confused..
[09:17] <danielrr> SGI it got stuck during install andf froze after the sencond error I stated
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: wait
[09:17] <Last_in_Line> What password does a fresh install of mysql set for "root"?
[09:17] <Zippys> k
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys:
[09:17] <Kovecses> pepp, do an updatedb the locate libjavaplugin_oji.so and make a symbolic link...but remove the wrong plugin first
[09:17] <Zippys> its blank.
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: when it boots up to a black screen
[09:17] <SG1> Zippys: try ctrl-alt-f1
[09:17] <pepp> k
[09:17] <puff> Afternon.
[09:17] <puff> noon.
[09:17] <Zippys> what will that do?
[09:18] <SG1> danielrr: not sure what happened.. what platform?
[09:18] <puff> I'm about 24 hours into installing ubuntu on my thinkpad (t43p)
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: switch you from X to tty1
[09:18] <Zippys> ok
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: it should give you a text login
[09:18] <Zippys> ill try it
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: X may have misdetected something
[09:18] <puff> A couple odd things;  first, every now and then it pops up evolution, for no reason I can figure.
[09:18] <Zippys> then do what?
[09:18] <puff> Like just now.
[09:18] <devios> Pan + ubuntu = crash when downloading 4 million msg headers.  WindowsXP + Xnews or Newsbin client works fine.  Wonder what the culprit is... Pan, GTK, Gnome, xorg?
[09:18] <danielrr> intelx86
[09:18] <devios> (same system)
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: well then you know X is being funky with your monitor
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: and then I can help you
[09:18] <SG1> Zippys: XD
[09:19] <danielrr> SGI intel x86
[09:19] <Zippys> ok
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: ok
[09:19] <puff> The first time, I thought I'd accidentally selected it when I was launching frefox, but I haven't gotten anywhere near that menu in an hour, this time.
[09:19] <Pluton> how to fix the ubunto OO2 wizard bug? any workaround?
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: not sure what happened..
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: maybe try a reinstall just for the fun of it?
[09:19] <SG1> danielrr: *sarcasm*
[09:20] <Kovecses> pepp, u got all that
[09:20] <topyli> GigaClon: modesty is a virtue :)
[09:20] <puff> Second problem, I did suspend-to-disk last night, opened it up today and turned it on, the startup message said something about compatibility problems with suspend, and it gave me a clean boot.
[09:20] <GigaClon> hun
[09:20] <Hawkeye> devios: I've had pan crash on me too when fetching headers of large groups. The problem lies with Pan and a crappy multi-threading implementation. They switched to a single-threaded core in the CVS version
[09:20] <puff> I can't find that message in dmesg, would it go somewhere else?
[09:21] <SG1> puff: ugh... suspend to disk...
[09:21] <SG1> puff: it .. has issues..
[09:21] <[madman] > puff:  generally works
[09:21] <[madman] > puff:  but not all times ;)
[09:21] <SG1> [madman] : ... some machines.. its just dead
[09:21] <puff> sigh.
[09:21] <puff> Well, hm.
[09:21] <SG1> puff: acpi sleep (low power mode) is much more reliable
[09:21] <puff> I wonder if i could do it at the application level.
[09:21] <Gourami> Hi, I just ripped a dvd to .ogg with VLC however with playback there is no audio, any ideas ?
[09:22] <puff> Ah,how do i invoke that?
[09:22] <puff> ACPi sleep... that's suspend-to-ram?
[09:22] <[madman] > SG1:  one big issue is not-working DRI after resume
[09:22] <[madman] > puff:  it also gives some errors, sometimes
[09:22] <SG1> [madman] : true.. with the recent card.. forgive me.. my laptops are ancient
[09:22] <puff> Okay... sigh. Oh well.
[09:22] <Zippys> Grr...
[09:22] <Zippys> No text login/
[09:22] <SG1> puff: do you do 3d video?
[09:22] <puff> Any coments on alternative themes/window managers for ubuntu?
[09:23] <SG1> Zippys: it hates you
[09:23] <SG1> puff: yeah
[09:23] <Zippys> lol
[09:23] <SG1> puff: fluxbox/kde/anything you want :)
[09:23] <puff> SG1: not yet - I got this laptop 48 hours ago, installed ubuntu 24d hours ago.
[09:23] <nalioth> puff: they are ALL available for your trials
[09:23] <puff> Yes, well.
[09:23] <Mafi> what is the default user for mysql?
[09:23] <[madman] > puff:  xfce - whole new dekstop envrionment
[09:23] <GNULinuxer> hey xyz
[09:23] <Zippys> root
[09:23] <puff> Whcih ones are reliable and easily supported and look great?
[09:23] <Mafi> whit what user I could acces mysql by default?
[09:23] <[madman] > puff:  kde (a bit bloat;) and xfce
[09:23] <puff> mainly, I don't want to swim outside the ubuntu mainstream until I get comfortable with the distro.
[09:24] <puff> But I'd like to make the mac folks drool :-)
[09:24] <xyz> Hey.
[09:24] <Zippys> Mafi, root.
[09:24] <topyli> puff: enlightenment
[09:24] <Zippys> oh well
[09:24] <SG1> puff: kde is suppurted
[09:24] <puff> Somebody was talking about enlightenment on one of the forums;  I thought enlightenment withered on the vine.
[09:24] <[madman] > puff:  so kde has a os x look
[09:24] <puff> It's still around?
[09:24] <SG1> puff: E17 is nice
[09:24] <noah> are there any good up to date docs on defoma?
[09:24] <SG1> puff: its not dead
[09:24] <Kovecses> xfce is better looking than gnome
[09:24] <topyli> puff: of course
[09:24] <Zippys> Whys ubuntu hate me? :(
[09:24] <puff> [madman] : no no, I want something that looks *cooler* than osx :-).
[09:24] <[madman] > puff:  enligtenment is in development
[09:24] <cadu> kde has an osx look ?
[09:25] <GNULinuxer> wave sexcopter8000m
[09:25] <digitalfox> KDE can have an OS X look
[09:25] <digitalfox> you can even have the global titlebar
[09:25] <cadu> digitalfox: in what aspect?
[09:25] <digitalfox> er, menubar*
[09:25] <topyli> puff: i meant e16 though
[09:25] <digitalfox> you can also get a theme called "Baghira" that clones it
[09:25] <cadu> digitalfox: ah yeah but non-kde apps won't use it , so it's shitty :)
[09:25] <[madman] > puff:  E17 it is cool, but only snapshots...
[09:25] <digitalfox> yeh :p
[09:25] <puff> I also would like something that does some visual trick to keep people from looking over my shoulder, now that I have this nice, 15" screen.
[09:25] <digitalfox> GNOME's design is more Mac-like
[09:25] <Zippys> lol
[09:25] <din> i have xfce sorta looking like a mac
[09:25] <digitalfox> but not on the surface
[09:25] <SG1> puff: kde +transparency+other eyecancy... can beat osx
[09:26] <Zippys> i got to go to work in a hour :(
[09:26] <topyli> osx looks like crap though
[09:26] <[madman] > SG1:  e17 can beat everything, but...
[09:26] <SG1> Zippys: I have no clue whats making your screen black
[09:26] <Zippys> lol
[09:26] <SG1> [madman] : not yet..
[09:26] <[madman] > SG1:  it's still unstable
[09:26] <xyz> Meh, looks like Ubuntu won't work well with the HP L2000 laptops.
[09:26] <Zippys> Thanks for trying.
[09:26] <noah> defoma seems so pointless, it only makes fonts even harder to configure
[09:26] <SG1> [madman] : I await hardware accel...
[09:26] <SG1> [madman] : and stability..
[09:26] <din> http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfcei8k2rz.jpg <-- xfce on my laptop
[09:26] <[madman] > SG1:  for these eye-candy animations? would be great
[09:26] <din> :p
[09:27] <SG1> [madman] : .. they had better be..
[09:27] <xyz> Freezes at X.
[09:27] <SG1> xyz: :(
[09:27] <[madman] > SG1:  i like the beautiful applets (cpu speed, temperature, WLAN...)
[09:27] <SG1> [madman] : yeah
[09:28] <cadu> it's hard to code XFCE miniapps ?
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : Xorg+Xcomposite+Xdamage+Xrandr...
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : and then e17...
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : :)
[09:28] <[madman] > cadu:  it IS
[09:28] <tahorg> anyone here knows when xorg will be usable again in breezy ?
[09:28] <cadu> SG1: means = good looking ?
[09:28] <[madman] > SG1:  e17 is hard to install...
[09:28] <SG1> cadu: yep
[09:28] <SG1> cadu: and fast..
[09:28] <cadu> [madman] : even a very simple one ? just showing how many users are logged on
[09:28] <SG1> [madman] : nah.. bunch of cvs..
[09:28] <topyli> SG1: and a cluster of 3g processors with 3g of ram each to run the system
[09:28] <cadu> SG1: send me a screenshot of your nice looking system
[09:28] <SG1> topyli: no not at all.
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  i tried to recode the battery applet
[09:29] <cadu> [madman] : XFCE uses gtk right ?
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  it was a horror - just wanted to make it look better
[09:29] <SG1> cadu: I dont run e17 right now.. its not hardware accelerated yet.. :(
[09:29] <jowi> last time i tested (last week) some e17 apps were broken though
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  right...
[09:29] <[madman] > cadu:  gtk has an awful api, though - i prefer pygtk ;)
[09:29] <jowi> ...like eclair
[09:29] <Kovecses> who here uses something other than gnome?
[09:30] <SG1> cadu: well I dont do screenshots much.. I do have an old one showing transparency on Debian/AMD64/Xorg
[09:30] <jowi> Kovecses, i'm using windowlab
[09:30] <SG1> cadu: hold
[09:30] <Scouse> What's on the DVD ISO compared to the CD ISO?
[09:30] <cadu> [madman] : i like python , i'm learning GUI (doing first gui apps) in python...tkinter instead
[09:30] <cadu> SG1: http://foda-se.ath.cx/sendfile.cgi (http sendme file)
[09:30] <SG1> cadu: transparency crazies http://linux.sg1net.com/stuff/snapshot1.png
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  well, IMHO tkinter is depreceated ;)
[09:31] <xyz> Anyone have any experience with HP laptops?
[09:31] <cadu> [madman] : sure thing, but for a gui that NEVER did any gui programming it's very good for starting
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  i wanted to learn to create a gui
[09:31] <cadu> s/gui/guy
[09:31] <xyz> Does Ubuntu generally work well with them?
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  and chose pygtk
[09:31] <[madman] > cadu:  it is easy and well-documented
[09:31] <cadu> [madman] : i'm learning GUI so i'm using a simpler thing as TKinter
[09:31] <djp> is it possible to disable the import photos warning that pops up when you attach your digi camera under hoary?
[09:31] <danielrr> SG1 was my second atempt to install and like the first time it halted with the two mentioned errors
[09:31] <cadu> [madman] : http://foda-se.ath.cx/received/snake.py <-- look what i'm doing
[09:32] <SG1> danielrr: ugh..
[09:32] <SG1> danielrr: bad cdrom image maybe..
[09:32] <[madman] > cadu:  i started writing gui applications few months ago
[09:32] <SG1> ughhhhh GUI!!! *RUNS*
[09:32] <Juhaz> I'm with madman, pygtk is perhaps the nicest gui toolkit I've seen so far, and by _far_ the most "pythonic"
[09:32] <[madman] > cadu:  wanted to learn GTK in C, but it is too complicated and the documentation is horrible
[09:32] <SG1> [madman] : glade.
[09:32] <danielrr> ok i got a few pressed copies so i will try another pressed copy
[09:33] <SG1> [madman] : glade glade glade
[09:33] <black13> whey i try to run X -configure i get "Missing output drivers.  Configuration failed."
[09:33] <black13> what does this mean
[09:33] <[madman] > SG1:  yes... i could use glade
[09:33] <SG1> [madman] : :-P
[09:33] <nalioth> black13: what are you trying to configure?
[09:33] <[madman] > SG1:  but wanted to learn real pygtk programming
[09:33] <Juhaz> bah, glade is deprecated. gazpacho!
[09:33] <danielrr> SG1 got a few pressed copies so i will try another pressed copy
[09:34] <cadu> [madman] : that's what scared me, tried learning gtk in c and ran away
[09:34] <SG1> [madman] : but see glade saved me...(I dont do gui)
[09:34] <SG1> danielrr: ok
[09:34] <cadu> [madman] : saw the code?
[09:34] <black13> nalioth Xorg
[09:34] <nalioth> black13: run in a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:34] <[madman] > cadu:  not yet, moment - i won't be able to run it, but can read ;)
[09:35] <cadu> [madman] : okz :-) no python at the moment? :)
[09:35] <[madman] > no tkinter
[09:35] <cadu> [madman] : i thought it comes with default python install
[09:35] <phixion> bah, anyone had luck installing partypoker? ;/
[09:35] <cadu> [madman] : at least on windows...a friend of mine is using snake.py
[09:35] <[madman] > cadu:  maybe i have tk... scribus depended on it
[09:35] <phixion> getting errors from wine when trying to install it
[09:36] <absenth> this might be a longshot, but is anyone here famailer with mindterm from appgate?
[09:36] <cadu> [madman] : read it ?
[09:36] <SG1> absenth: hear of it... I think I mess with it once..
[09:36] <[madman] > cadu:  I looked at the code, for me this tk thing is inconsistent
[09:36] <Kovecses> are wine and cedega the same thing?
[09:36] <SG1> absenth: java ssh?
[09:37] <absenth> sg1: that's correct
[09:37] <[madman] > cadu:  wait... i have a fairly simple pygtk example
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : why? ;"(
[09:37] <SG1> absenth: whats wrong?
[09:37] <Belutz> Seveas: could you help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/804
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : my code is inconsistent? :'(
[09:37] <absenth> sg1: I don't suppose you might know how to make the ssh client proxy through the www server it's running on
[09:37] <[madman] > cadu:  no, the toolkit
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : oh , sure it is
[09:37] <SG1> absenth: you mean instead of using the client
[09:37] <highvoltage> tiil should learn to use screen.
[09:37] <cadu> [madman] : about my code? *sweats*
[09:38] <[madman] > cadu:  in pygtk, functions setting something have _set(...)
[09:38] <SG1> absenth: due to the fact that java has security stuff...
[09:38] <absenth> sg1: by default you pull up a site with the applet installed, and the applet runs on your local pc.
[09:38] <cadu> [madman] : i'm using a LOAD of hacks to have the main function run appropriately
[09:38] <[madman] > cadu:  i'm not a python expert
[09:38] <black13> nalioth thanks man that thing is pretty awesome
[09:38] <[madman] > cadu:  but looks good
[09:38] <SG1> absenth: not offhand.. thats more a question for the java folks.
[09:38] <danielrr> SG1 thank you for trying to help. If I need further help can I ask you?
[09:38] <SG1> absenth: that'd be pretty cool
[09:38] <SG1> danielrr: yeah
[09:38] <absenth> sg1: I figured.
[09:39] <[madman] > cadu:  and it actually work ;)
[09:39] <absenth> sg1: what I want it to do is run serverside so I can ssh to something behind the firewall.
[09:39] <SG1> absenth: you could have a client server thing going on
[09:39] <cadu> [madman] : me neither, started learning python 1 month ago, and learning Tk as i do snake.py
[09:39] <danielrr> thanks SG1
[09:39] <SG1> absenth: ah
[09:39] <cadu> [madman] : yeah, and i've implemented a tad of locks ...try to hit L D R quickly so you can actually enter into yourself
[09:39] <absenth> alright, now to find a competent java channel :)
[09:39] <cadu> [madman] : control the snake with w-s-a-d
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  do you have pygtk installed?
[09:40] <SG1> absenth: Im interested now, could you join #sg1net and explain what your after.
[09:40] <cadu> [madman] : no but i can install it in a tiny bit
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  http://ft.atr.bydgoszcz.pl/~madman/python/slog.py
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  it's a simple gui to add posts to my simple blog system ;)
[09:40] <[madman] > cadu:  the buttons are in polisg
[09:41] <[madman] > cadu:  but you'll see the concept of coding in pygtk when you look at the code
[09:41] <cadu> [madman] : should i get python-gtk or python-gtk2 ?
[09:41] <[madman] > cadu:  gtk2
[09:41] <cadu> just a second
[09:42] <danielrr> SG1 can you help me abit with partitioning?
[09:42] <cadu> [madman] : can you please post the .py link again? tia
[09:42] <[madman] > cadu:  http://ft.atr.bydgoszcz.pl/~madman/python/slog.py
[09:42] <cadu> [madman] : the snake.py worked as expected? were you able to move ?
[09:43] <lican_> hello
[09:43] <[madman] > cadu:  yes, it worked
[09:43] <cadu> [madman] : nice :)
[09:43] <[madman] > cadu:  only printed lots of data (tables) to the console
[09:43] <cadu> [madman] : while i'm doing i like to see things working
[09:43] <cadu> [madman] : those are the main snake array data
[09:44] <SG1> danielrr: sure
[09:44] <alexmic> hi all
[09:45] <cadu> [madman] : the TK canvas object creates OBJECTS ...so i thought it would be idiot to be destroying objects at the tail and creating new objs at the head of the snake...as you can see in the main loop it creates the new position by shifting everyone 1 position BUT saving the tail <objid> and using it at the head...so i just move the tail to new-head constantly
[09:45] <[madman] > hm...
[09:45] <cadu> [madman] : i would like a canvas object like Delphi's ...a graphical thing i can draw
[09:45] <jp> wow xchat-gnome really rox!
[09:45] <[madman] > cadu:  do you want to write games?
[09:45] <cadu> [madman] : not at all...this is just a program i'm doing to _learn_ :)
[09:45] <[madman] > cadu:  pygtk has a gtkcanvas object
[09:46] <cadu> [madman] : i like this snake game :) and it's cool to implement , the concept
[09:46] <alexmic> I am trying to setup a wacom tablet (unsupported though) so i had to patch some source files and reconfigure and compile those files...
[09:46] <[madman] > cadu:  there's a PyGame package whiche has functions useful for game programming
[09:46] <danielrr> I have partioned linux setups before butit was all graphical ie SUSE and Fedora Core 4
[09:46] <danielrr> SG1I have partioned linux setups before butit was all graphical ie SUSE and Fedora Core 4
[09:46] <jowi> danielrr, you can use gparted
[09:47] <alexmic> The problem is that at compilation i get an error about Xorg-SDK. (first time I hear about it). I don't find any package on it nor doc on google and the file xf86Version.h is missing... what should i do??
[09:47] <[madman] > cadu:  there are still areas i'd like to write something, but i'm not capable yet
[09:47] <ilba7r> is there an onscreen keyboard in ubuntu like windows?
[09:47] <[madman] > cadu:  as tray desklets, or panel applets
[09:47] <alexmic> -compilation +config
[09:47] <[madman] > ilba7r:  yes, there is - in gnome...
[09:48] <ilba7r> what is the name of the application madman
[09:48] <ilba7r> i use gnome
[09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r:  don't remember the name of the program :/
[09:48] <ilba7r> thanx madman
[09:48] <ilba7r> i will try to look it up
[09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r:  it isn't probably installed by default
[09:48] <danielrr> but jowi If I use the guided partation it dose not give /home partition
[09:48] <[madman] > ilba7r:  maybe gnomefiles has it listed
[09:49] <topyli> ilba7r: the package is probably called gok
[09:49] <moparfan90> hello everyone
[09:49] <ilba7r> thanx topyli
[09:49] <raven3x7> hi
[09:49] <ilba7r> got it
[09:49] <jowi> danielrr, you mean during installation of Ubuntu?
[09:49] <raven3x7> does anyone know if nvidia 6111 should work with xorg?
[09:49] <danielrr> yep
[09:50] <moparfan90> any use windows vista yet?
[09:50] <danielrr> yes jowi
[09:50] <jowi> danielrr, i have actually never used the guide for that.
[09:50] <ilba7r> thanx guys as always you are always helpfull and this is a great community
[09:50] <alexmic> Does anyone knows the common path to xorg sdk and/or the package i should install?
[09:50] <topyli> alexmic: sdk?
[09:51] <alexmic> yes. THe config script looks for a xf86Version.h
[09:51] <[madman] > alexmic:  you meant -dev mackages? there were some changes in breezy
[09:52] <[madman] > alexmic:  there are many dev packages
[09:52] <topyli> alexmic: ah. the development libs. do "apt-get search xorg |grep dev" or something
[09:52] <[madman] > alexmic:  or use synaptic
[09:52] <[madman] > alexmic:  i think it's more convinient ;)
[09:52] <topyli> slow :)
[09:52] <raven3x7> topyli alexmic apt-cache serach
[09:52] <raven3x7> topyli alexmic apt-cache search
[09:53] <moparfan90> i thinkif ubuntu tried to sell an upper model of the OS then they would make alot of money
[09:53] <alexmic> yes but on synaptic I don't get much things
[09:53] <enoch_> Folks, you are going to think I'm an idiot: Sometime today a number of packages uninstalled themselfves, including xbase-clients (w/ startx). Some of the packages are obviously interrelated, but others are not. I didn't do anything with synaptic.... the packages just diappeared. I needed to do an apt-get install xbase-clients to get here. Many of the uninstalled packages were packages I installed after initial installation. Please, this is creepy. Help me.
[09:53] <[madman] > alexmic:  yes, you're right - but it has a nice gui for browsing available packages
[09:53] <[madman] > ;)
[09:53] <danielrr> i want toi use manual jowi but (cannot rember my partion sizes I used for fedora) of how much space i should use for /, /home, and swap I have a 80 gig HDD
[09:53] <alexmic> root@alexmic:/usr/src/modules/wacom # apt-cache search xorg |grep dev
[09:53] <alexmic> pm-dev - proxy management protocol development files
[09:53] <alexmic> xorg-driver-fglrx-dev - Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators (devel files)
[09:53] <[madman] > alexmic:  the main development package is x-dev
[09:54] <topyli> raven3x7: righ
[09:54] <topyli> t
[09:54] <tucoz> hi, I just installed kde with apt-get install kde-core. The question is, how do I switch to kde?
[09:54] <cadu> [madman] : nice
[09:54] <cadu> [madman] : i'm looking at the code
[09:54] <alexmic> [madman] : xdev is already installed and updated
[09:54] <raven3x7> topyli actually i wonder why they made to coomands out of apt
[09:54] <moparfan90> danielrr, i would say if you have two OS's then make that 30 gigs
[09:55] <danielrr> ijust have one os
[09:55] <moparfan90> there are other parts of ubntu that are in different partitions so 30 is alot
[09:55] <cadu> [madman] : seems rather nice and easy
[09:55] <frank> tucoz: when you login, change the session
[09:55] <[madman] > alexmic:  what was the name of the file again?
[09:55] <alexmic> xf86Version.h
[09:55] <Random_Sindrom> h  jghv
[09:55] <topyli> enoch_: install ubuntu-desktop and you'll at least have a working system
[09:55] <cadu> [madman] : i've installed the -doc package too
[09:55] <cadu> [madman] : i'll try it :)
[09:55] <Random_Sindrom> grytrryy5r
[09:55] <jowi> danielrr, my set up is 3gb for /. i have all installed that i need and stilll have 1,5gb left. i use 6gb /home. then i made a 20gb /media/data fat32 that i use cross platform
[09:55] <[madman] > cadu:  seems... still can't get to code treeview ;)
[09:55] <alexmic> launching a full scan on my disk
[09:55] <danielrr> moparfan90 I will be justing using ubuntu
[09:56] <moparfan90> danielrr, oo if you just have one then make it around 5 gigs less thn your full drive.
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> tut65r6yghg
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> ookkl
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> h+}+uj
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> io
[09:56] <Random_Sindrom> i}
[09:56] <SG1> Random_Sindrom: ...
[09:56] <redguy> ?
[09:56] <MartenH> Does Gnome have a "tagline", like Ubuntu has "linux for human beings"
[09:56] <tucoz> frank: ok, I am used to doing that. But I have started with startx and when I choose logout I come back to terminal
[09:56] <[madman] > alexmic:  seems this file doesn't exist any more
[09:57] <[madman] > alexmic:  i don't have it installed
[09:57] <topyli> MartenH: not really. people come up with suggestions once in a while
[09:57] <tucoz> frank: this is my first boot. Had some trouble getting xorg to work
[09:57] <jowi> danielrr, i have 512mb ram so i choose around half that for swap
[09:57] <MartenH> topyli: ok, thanks
[09:57] <enoch_> topyli, I actually have a working system... but is there any reason why a number of packages would uninstall themselves?
[09:57] <cadu>  [madman]  at least the code seems way cleaner :)
[09:57] <frank> tucoz: try starting gdm or kdm instead of startx
[09:57] <topyli> MartenH: if you have a nice one in mind, suggest it on the marketing-list
[09:57] <alexmic> [madman] : argh! though the driver files where released on november 2005..
[09:58] <tucoz> frank: thanks. I'll try that
[09:58] <tucoz> see you later
[09:58] <[madman] > cadu:  well... i thought the same before I started to learn pygtk;)
[09:58] <moparfan90> did anyone here use windows VISTA yet???
[09:58] <MrGardenHoseMan> what codecs/plugins do i need to play windows media files?
[09:58] <MartenH> topyli: Wokring on a background, wanted to add something like that to it... no suggestions though, you have any for me? :)
[09:58] <[madman] > moparfan90:  i've seen the blue screen screenshot ;)
[09:58] <frank> MrGardenHoseMan: w32codecs
[09:58] <cadu> [madman] : eheheh , i'll try it , really :-)
[09:59] <jowi> moparfan90, win98-se still rocks!
[09:59] <[madman] > moparfan90:  so it doesn't have the red one implemented yer ;)
[09:59] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[09:59] <cadu> moparfan90: ahahha
[09:59] <topyli> MartenH: "The Default" ;)
[09:59] <cadu> [madman] : where?
[09:59] <MartenH> topyli: lol
[09:59] <[madman] > cadu:  the screenshot? somwhere on the imageshack, lost the url
[09:59] <moparfan90> well beta 1 just came out. if your a subsciber to microsft then you can get it
[09:59] <moparfan90> its very good... i heard
[10:00] <moparfan90> looks nice also
[10:00] <tommorris> Hey all
[10:00] <topyli> moparfan90: i heard that 5 years ago :)
[10:00] <[madman] > moparfan90:  text console looks good too;)
[10:00] <jowi> hi tommorris
[10:00] <Firetech> Is therte any difference in the ubuntu kernel patches that sets /sys/block/[device] /removable to 1 for External USB disk (I'm running a vanilla kernel). If not, can iI do anything to change that value. Pmount refuses to mount my new external drive because that value  is 0... :(
[10:00] <tommorris> Another mandatory 'can you please seed kubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent', I'm afraid.
[10:00] <ubuntu> anyone download windows xp pro 64 beta ... and have a cd key ...
[10:00] <moparfan90> yeah. but they made alot of changes to it. so now it is coming out in 2006 and will rock!!
[10:01] <alexmic> ok apparently this is a bug in the program... I found a site saying i should dowload xorg sources....
[10:01] <[madman] > moparfan90:  i prefer rock on an audio cd ;)
[10:01] <jowi> moparfan90, depends on what song comes as default for media-player
[10:01] <topyli> moparfan90: good for them. i heard they might have some of the cool stuff gnome has now :)
[10:01] <danielrr> wpould the root partitoipn be primary or kogical?
[10:01] <tommorris> Just come back from the talk by Benjamin Mako HIll on Ubuntu and forking. Just thought I'd tell you how cool you guys are.
[10:01] <jowi> moparfan90, if it is david byrne.... ehhh... welll.....
[10:02] <jowi> danielrr, i would recommend primary
[10:02] <danielrr> ok thanks
[10:02] <moparfan90> ok people it will be very good.... not rock  ;)
[10:02] <ubuntu> how to recover a boot sector on a hdd
[10:02] <[madman] > jowi:  the default song should be 'die another day' ;)
[10:02] <Riddell> tommorris: please keep poking me (and I'll keep poking the sysadmins)
[10:02] <jowi> danielrr, your HDD can have only 4 primary partitions. if you make an extended partition that would have logical partitions inside it
[10:02] <tommorris> thanks Riddell
[10:03] <danielrr> bootable flag on or off?
[10:03] <topyli> ubuntu: boot from live cd ; chroot to your linux root ; run grub-install
[10:03] <JadeRobbins> =/
[10:03] <topyli> ubuntu: in short :)
[10:03] <[madman] > ubuntu:  boot sector only, or partition table too ?
[10:03] <moparfan90> on. if you want to boot from that partition
[10:03] <jowi> [madman] , i like that song. how about "highway to hell"?
[10:03] <danielrr> ok thanks
[10:03] <danielrr> '
[10:04] <ubuntu> cant get the segate drive software to access the drive, and the data was intact ...
[10:04] <jowi> danielrr, your first primaty partition should have the boot flag
[10:04] <JadeRobbins> hey if i came in here later could you fellas help me diagnose why my laptop doesn't like ubuntu? :(
[10:04] <[madman] > jowi:  well... and the animated boot screen should have floating lava on it, forming a VISTA string
[10:04] <Random_Sindrom> some icon themes i've downloaded came with different sizes...Can I remove those I don't use (12x12 etc.
[10:04] <jowi> [madman] , with sound-effects!!!!!
[10:04] <hollowhead> hi
[10:05] <PurpleWurld> I just can't get this dwl-g122 wireless usb dongle to work.  even with ndiswrapper!
[10:05] <PurpleWurld> any help?
[10:05] <hollowhead> anybody knows how can I get Muine working on an x86_64 machine?
[10:05] <PurpleWurld> keeps saying invalid driver, but I'm using the one form the disk
[10:05] <jowi> PurpleWurld, d-link master talking. but unfortunatley never tried one in linux :-(
[10:05] <[madman] > PurpleWurld:  doesn't it have a native driver?
[10:06] <ukh> PurpleWurld: is it revision A or B?  different chipsets, IIRC
[10:06] <PurpleWurld> a2
[10:06] <ukh> PurpleWurld: I think that should be a native prism2 chipset then
[10:06] <tucoz> frank: thanks for the help. I am now happy with my ubuntu. :)
[10:06] <tucoz> or rather kubuntu
[10:06] <PurpleWurld> yeah, prisma02.inf, but it says invalid driver
[10:07] <ukh> PurpleWurld: there *should* be a native driver
[10:07] <PurpleWurld> What do you mean by *should* be a native driver?
[10:07] <frank> tucoz: good :-)
[10:07] <cadu> is this #windows?
[10:07] <dtorg29_> #ndiswrapper
[10:07] <[madman] > PurpleWurld:  native means no windozee files ;)
[10:08] <[madman] > PurpleWurld:  try here: http://prism54.org/
[10:08] <JadeRobbins> When i installed ubuntu on my laptop everything went find, but when i am in gnome and i try to do anything it freezes up and does some funky stuff on the monitor and i have to hard reboot
[10:08] <PurpleWurld> ohhh..  well maybe I'm not that great a researcher, but it didn't work out of box, and others have got it to work under ndiswrapper, but not me :(
[10:09] <JadeRobbins> it can even sit there in gnome forever and not have trouble but the second i try to do some things it crashes and i don't even know where to begin diagnosing
[10:09] <cadu> JadeRobbins: have you tried other window manager?
[10:09] <JadeRobbins> yes
[10:09] <hollowhead> ok, I'll narrow my question: does anybody know how to get Mono running on ubuntu (x86_64)?
[10:09] <JadeRobbins> when i go into KDE it doesn't even let me sit there, it crashes even if i don't do anything
[10:10] <frank> JadeRobbins: hard freeze?
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> yeah
[10:10] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  i'd say video driver problem
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> . . . yeah that is what i was possibly thinking
[10:10] <frank> JadeRobbins: you have a Athlon64 CPU?
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> no no no it's an older laptop
[10:10] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  did you try disabling hardware acceleration?
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> with a Savage S3 Video card
[10:10] <JadeRobbins> no i can't even get into like device manager so i don't really know how to do that in the console
[10:11] <[madman] > JadeRobbins:  you'd have to log in on a text console
[10:11] <[madman] > and sudo <some editor> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:11] <JadeRobbins> yup
[10:11] <PurpleWurld> has anybody here played w/ ndiswrapper?