[00:21] <Acou_Bass> Has anyone noticed a worsening in battery life wwith ota-14? Fairly sure mines degraded :(
[01:15] <t-ask> Acou_Bass: I might look into it. Can you play videos without problems?
[01:57] <Acou_Bass> t-ask: Yeah videos work for me though they wont play in the scope (though thats never worked for me anyway )
[01:58] <t-ask> Acou_Bass: Did you download them with Youtube-dl, too?
[01:58] <Acou_Bass> no I just took a video with my camera to test it hehe
[02:00] <t-ask> Acou_Bass: I'm using Linux to download them and just put them on the phone. Since the OTA video playback is almost broken for me
[02:00] <Acou_Bass> hmm
[02:00] <t-ask> Tried mp4, mkv and webm without final success :(
[02:00] <Acou_Bass> weird
[02:01] <Acou_Bass> lemme see if I can grab some from my server and trst
[02:01] <t-ask> yes, very weired. With the OTA some videos only play audio with black sceeen
[02:01] <t-ask> all vides thumbnails are rendered fine in Gallery
[02:01] <t-ask> strange, really strange
[02:01] <t-ask> Gallery can obviously get a frame from the videos, but can't playback ...
[02:02] <t-ask> maybe I have to download them with a certain option or size eg.
[02:25] <Acou_Bass> t-ask: OK so mp4 worked for me but webm and mkv didnt
[02:25] <Acou_Bass> all 3 were done eith youtube-dl
[02:26] <t-ask> wihtout any special option, I guess.
[02:26] <Acou_Bass> the mp4 even played in the scope
[02:26] <t-ask> strange I have so many mp4 which don't work at all
[02:27] <t-ask> on the other hand, some of them work...
[02:27] <t-ask> even when downloaded them from the same playlist eg...
[02:27] <Acou_Bass> all thats in my youtube-dl config is prefer free formats
[02:29] <t-ask> Mmm
[02:30] <t-ask> Error is shown "Failure to connect with playback backend."
[02:31] <Acou_Bass> yeah I got that with a mkv however webm played sound with a blank video
[02:31] <Acou_Bass> and mp4 worked perfectly in both media player and scope
[02:31] <Acou_Bass> webm had no thumbnail yet mkv sid
[02:32] <Acou_Bass> did* odd
[02:36] <t-ask> I'm out of luck. MIght be another problem I have
[02:36] <t-ask> I downloaded the app "mediacodecs"
[02:36] <t-ask> starting it only lists Audio
[02:40] <t-ask> or file names are too long
[02:40] <Acou_Bass> hmm
[02:41] <t-ask> before the OTA I could play some of those videos. lets say 50%
[02:41] <t-ask> now it si 5-10% max :(
[02:42] <t-ask> this makes no sense to me
[02:45] <t-ask> anyways, I have to leave. I will ask tomorrow. Maybe nore devs are on eg.
[02:45] <t-ask> Acou_Bass: thanks for helping out :)
[02:47] <Acou_Bass> no worries :D
[02:47] <Acou_Bass> Ima mention mu battery issues too
[02:47] <Acou_Bass> ill test it for a couple days to make sure
[05:44] <JanC> I think high-bitrate videos might not work on a phone/tablet...?
[05:45] <JanC> maybe some high MPEG4 profiles not either
[08:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone around?
[08:39] <KrisJace> how to use SDL on Ubuntu Touch?
[08:39] <KrisJace> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/mir-sdl-support
[08:40] <KrisJace> they say it works, but I tired 5 different games all crashed the phone
[08:40] <KrisJace> immediately upon starting
[08:40] <KrisJace> display went goes to shit and phone soon restarts
[08:40] <KrisJace> but it does work if ssh into the phone with x forwarding
[08:40] <KrisJace> not on mir though
[08:41] <KrisJace> I tried both X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=true and =false
[08:41] <KrisJace> the only difference is that with XMir enabled it only crashes the app, otherwise the entiore phone
[08:52] <duflu> KrisJace: We would like to fix that as soon as possible. Can you log a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+filebug
[08:53] <duflu> KrisJace: It's worth noting most of the development effort and real app testing for SDL has been on desktop (x86), and not the phone
[10:49] <vandenoever> are there currently ubuntu touch phones for sale? Aquaris M10 is out of stock
[13:22] <enthusi> where would I look if I was interessted in porting simple (own) things to the ubuntu-touch?
[14:14] <mterry> bfiller: btw snap launching in u8 should mostly work now.  So you can test apps in the real u8 env
[14:14] <mterry> You should download the snap from the silo, not the store though
[14:14] <mterry> Store u8 snap is lagging a bit, because of LP timeouts
[14:14] <bfiller> mterry, yeah noticed that last week after building the snap
[14:14] <mterry> bfiller: k
[14:15] <bfiller> mterry, most of our apps in the edge store use unity8 plug as well now
[14:16] <mterry> bfiller: calculator and clock don't (they're owned by ubuntucoredev, not canonical, but still)
[14:16] <bfiller> mterry, hmn, renato__ thought these were updated? ^^^
[14:17] <renato__> bfiller, let me re-check
[14:18] <renato__> mterry, which rev of clock app do you have?
[14:18] <mterry> renato__: 12
[14:19] <renato__> mterry, try to update the version on store is 19
[14:19] <mterry> renato__: hmm I did
[14:19] <mterry> let me try with more flags
[14:20] <mterry> renato__: ah.  You became a devmode snap
[14:20] <mterry> I'm guessing calculator did too...
[14:20] <renato__> mterry, yes, because of unity8 interface
[14:20] <mterry> ick got it
[14:21] <mterry> renato__: ok well great -- I'll play with these and update the unity8-snap-install script to pass --devmode
[14:22] <renato__> mterry, thanks,
[14:22] <renato__> mterry, ubuntu-docviewer-app is just wainting for approval to be publish on store
[14:28] <mterry> renato__: is webbrowser-app on the radar to be updated?  I still only see revision 1
[14:29] <renato__> mterry, oSoMoN is working on that. he can give us some status
[14:30] <oSoMoN> renato__, mterry: high on my list, will be done sometime this week
[14:31] <mterry> oSoMoN: cool, no rush on my side, just curious
[14:35] <mterry> renato__: do you know what the story is with the extra black window when launching a u8 snap?  tedg said it was a snap-side issue?
[14:36] <renato__> mterry, I know that in the past we need to launch the apps with --desktop_file_hint=unity8  because the real desktop file hint does not work
[14:36] <dobey> it happens becasue the snaps are u7 snaps, not u8 snaps
[14:36] <renato__> mterry, removing it should fix the problem I think
[14:37] <dobey> the --desktop-file-hint should probably be removed, but i doubt it is the problem
[14:37] <dobey> the empty black hole window is xmir
[14:37] <mterry> dobey: my understanding is that snaps can claim both and work natively in both.  But if you're saying that the snap is acting like a u7 snap in a u8 env, then I buy that
[14:39] <dobey> mterry: i still say it's a ual issue. the .desktop file says X-Ubuntu-Touch=true, and ual treats all "unity7" plugs as "x11" apps, when what the app runs on has nothing to do with unity7 itself
[14:40] <dobey> the "it can support both 'unity7' and 'unity8' interfaces" argument is a misnomer i think. because for snaps that declare both, do we show the same app twice, one that runs an xmir and one that doesn't?
[14:41] <tedg> I think we need to show it once, but we should use the "best" interface.
[14:41] <mterry> No, I think UAL just launches it differently
[14:41] <tedg> We need to clear the MIR_* variables when launching with XMir methinks. Perhaps some of the QT ones as well.
[14:42] <dobey> that is a recipe for disaster
[14:42] <tedg> I think it more comes down to "if the app declares both, it better do a good job of figuring things out"
[14:42] <tedg> I'd say that apps probably shouldn't declare both, because it's silly to carry all those extra libs, but we shouldn't disallow it.
[14:43] <dobey> i think we're ignoring the snapd-generated .desktop files, so we should prefer what the original .desktop file says, regardless of whether the interface is 'unity7' or 'unity8'
[14:44] <tedg> I think we have a firm way of confirming intent, magic undocumented keys in desktop files are not the way to go.
[14:46] <dobey> that might be true when snapd upstream actually has all the necessary changes, is deployed everywhere, and we don't have to have things manually approved in the store that require --devmode
[14:46] <dobey> i don't think that's true today
[14:47] <tedg> Sure, but I'm hoping it will be by say the end of Jan. So relaxing the rules won't help.
[14:47] <mterry> tedg: so is there guidance for app folks like renato__ to avoid the black window?  some shell script wedge to determine if it has real Mir or not?
[14:47] <tedg> In theory no one can declare unity8 right now anyway.
[14:47] <tedg> mterry: It should be if you have DISPLAY use X11, if not, use MIR_SOCKET.
[14:48] <tedg> mterry: In theory the Qt backend stuff should do that.
[14:48] <renato__> mterry, the app does not have control over that.
[14:48] <tedg> mterry: That's why I think we need to remove MIR_* because it might be checking for MIR_SOCKET first there.
[14:48] <mterry> got it
[14:49] <mterry> So the app *could* scrub its own environment.  But we can fix it once in UAL is what your saying
[14:49] <tedg> I think so, but right now that's just theory.
[14:49] <tedg> Let me try it.
[14:50] <mterry> "hold my beer"
[14:50]  * tedg wonders how mterry knew
[14:57] <aiyion> a/buffer 22
[14:57] <aiyion> sorry.
[19:55] <lehkeda> I have issue with booting ubuntu-phone , when my device load init of ubuntu-phone it reboots


[00:16] <TwoToneSpirit> Hello everyone.  Anybody around and willing to bounce a few ideas around?
[14:46] <Unggnu> hi all
[14:46] <Unggnu> Is the ati driver of the edgers repository shipped with 3d support for RV770?
[20:21] <Sarvatt> RAOF: thanks for fixing nouveau
[20:22] <Sarvatt> wasnt thinking about that when i updated libdrm, i upload it to multiple ppas at the same time
[20:33] <Sarvatt> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol clock_gettime used by debian/libdrm-intel1/usr/lib/libdrm_intel.so.1.0.0 found in none of the libraries.
[20:33] <Sarvatt> hmm wonder when it stopped -lrt
[20:43] <Sarvatt> i'm going to have to Replaces: linux-libc-dev to pick up this change arent I
[20:43] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=4507863058a10d00c982975daf396f83caee0fe2
[20:52] <Sarvatt> wow buildds must have gotten a speed boost, xserver builds in 7 minutes now vs the 30 it used to
[22:14] <Sarvatt> wow xserver master is broken horribly right now
[22:14] <Sarvatt> and i wonder why lolglxgears performance is 1/3rd xserver masters using xorg-edgers  now that i reverted
[22:18] <Sarvatt> (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_SGI_make_current_read missing on 1.6.3 in Xorg.0.log
[22:20] <hyperair> ._. one performance regression after another
[22:20] <hyperair> will we ever get back up to speed?
[22:26] <Sarvatt> not really a regression, i was comparing it to <IP_ADDRESS>..
[22:30] <Sarvatt> ahh looks like it was just synaptics that was screwed up http://sarvatt.com/downloads/Xorg.4.log
[22:31] <Sarvatt> think i need to update libxtst


[00:42] <limitedwisdom> greetings. Clean install of 8.04 - can't send/rcv email. When I type mail -s Test myother@emailaddy It just never shows up.
[00:58] <hads> /var/log/syslog
[02:11] <bytor4232> Not sure this is the right place to ask this, but
[02:11] <bytor4232> can you do a network installation of JeOS?
[02:16] <bytor4232> I've been able to set up xubuntu live, as well as the regular netboot stuff.  However when I use the same process I get "unable to mount cdrom" error.
[02:56] <bytor4232> I'm trying to find the difference between ubuntu cli and jeos.  Any ideas?
[02:57] <bytor4232> Other than the -virtual kernel.
[02:57] <hads> It's all the same thing, JeOS is just a minimal install
[02:57] <bytor4232> Is cli a minimal install as well?
[02:57] <hads> You mean the server install?
[02:58] <bytor4232> no, the mini.iso, or netboot.tar.gz
[02:58] <hads> Haven't installed with them.
[02:58] <bytor4232> I can't get JeOS to netboot, thats why I'm asking.
[02:58] <hads> Ubuntu is Ubuntu is Ubuntu though. It's all the same thing with different packages.
[02:59] <bytor4232> Indeed.
[03:00]  * bytor4232 wonders if he need to go outside and build a boat.
[03:00] <bytor4232> Or at least put my car on pylons of some sort.
[03:02] <bytor4232> I'll just have to install JeOS and compare.
[03:03] <bytor4232> Yikes, 375.  Mini.iso is like 701
[03:04] <bytor4232> What I'm trying to do is create a netboot install of JeOS for a product I'm working on.
[04:54] <jga> anybody know how to mount an iphone in ubuntu server?  I got vmware to read the iphone in ubuntu desktop, but it doesn't automount the iphone in ubuntu server, so vmware doesn't see it
[04:59] <jga> or is there anyway to enable automount for usb devices?
[08:13] <kraut> moin
[09:39] <Adri2000> so, no one wants to comment on my email about vsftpd? or is it still too early monday morning? :p
[09:57] <nooga> hi
[10:00] <stapel> How can I install dhcp3-server when I have no internet connection. Can I do this from the install cd?
[10:00] <nooga> i've got a computer, outside the office, that runs ubuntu and it connects to the internet using ppp and gsm modem. The problem is a pptp tunnel that i've set up to connect that computer to our office VPN. When the tunnel goes down it also "damages" ppp internet connection. It looks as if ip-down for the tunnel cleans resolv.conf
[10:01] <nooga> is there a way to avoid damaging the internet connection when the tunnel goes down?
[10:17] <mib_t3gz38> Salamo Alekom
[10:19] <mib_t3gz38> I need some information about how to setup DNS Server, DHCP Server, and Proxy Server, and one can send me a link to understand what DNS, DHCP and Proxy server and router is and how to install them, pleae I need some link about that
[10:22] <mib_t3gz38> please I need some link about how to install and configure DNS, DHCP and Proxy servers
[10:23] <henkjan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
[10:23] <mib_t3gz38> henkjan: thank :D
[10:25] <mib_t3gz38> henkjan: do you have any links about what is the DNS and the best proxy server, some people said squid is the best one, do you have any idea ?
[10:25] <nooga> ah
[10:25] <nooga> so nobody knows? :|
[10:27] <mib_t3gz38> nooga: :(, I though it's the professinal server Ubuntu  IRC, isn't it ?
[10:28] <nooga> yea, but my question is quite professional though
[10:29] <nooga> ;}
[10:31] <henkjan> mib_t3gz38: search on the wiki for 'proxy' and 'dns'
[10:43] <mib_t3gz38> mib_t3gz38: can I configure DHCP and DNS servers, -static name for each PC- in the same servers
[10:46] <mib_t3gz38> henkjan: can I configure DHCP and DNS servers, -static name for each PC- in the same servers?
[11:08] <ghaleb> mib_t3gz38: can u rephrase your question ?
[11:25] <stapel> I am trying to set up an ubuntu server with two NICs. I have 2 windows boxes that I want tyo connect to this server with crossover cables. I also want to assign IP addresses from the ubuntu server with dhcp, how can I achieve that?
[11:40]  * Koon lunches
[12:19] <CrummyGummy> Hiya, anyone using backuppc?
[13:53] <spiekey> hey!
[13:53] <spiekey> has anyone here some experience with bind?
[13:53] <spiekey> i would like to forward dns requests within a zone
[13:54] <spiekey> e.g. a reqtest for 123.lan.foo.bar (zone lan.foo.bar) should be resolved by a 2nd dns server.
[13:57] <_ruben> 123 in ns ot.her.name.server
[13:59] <spiekey> _ruben: i want it for every request. like: *.lan.foo.bar
[14:00] <spiekey> http://pastebin.com/m5037bd23  --> maybe something like this?
[14:06] <_ruben> ah .. hmm .. dunno .. never tried
[14:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #270512 in openssh (main) "openssh-client could suggest xauth rather than recommend it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270512
[14:39] <zul> is there a reason why we cant enable ssl with freeradius?
[14:41] <henkjan> openssl license?
[14:41] <soren> I woould assume so, too.
[14:41] <zul> well since fedora and novell do it
[14:41] <soren> Heh :)
[14:41] <zul> besides users just recompile it with ssl enabled
[14:42] <soren> I wouldn't base licensing decisions on what they do :)
[14:42] <zul> I know :)
[14:42] <soren> zul: That's fine. They're allowed to. We're just not allowed to distribute them linked together.
[14:42] <soren> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/f/freeradius/freeradius_1.1.7-1build4/freeradius.copyright
[14:42] <zul> *grumble* *grumble* ;)
[14:42] <soren> Last 10 lines or so are of particular interest.
[14:45] <zul> yeah yeah....its kicking my ass
[14:45]  * soren pats zul on the head
[14:48]  * delcoyote hi
[14:50] <bendable> Hi guys, I've got a noob question for you and I hope someone can point me in the direction of an answer.
[14:51] <henkjan> !ask
[14:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #270521 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.5.1-2ubuntu1.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270521
[14:58] <bendable> I'm migrating a server from Debian Etch (which uses init) to Ubuntu Hardy (upstart).  I've never used upstart before.  But I'm trying to get krb5-ftpd running.  The package placed an appropriate line in /etc/inetd.conf, but my guess is that this isn't the right thing to do for upstart.  So what is the right way to activate krb5-ftpd?  Is there another package I need to install or do I need to hack it myself?  (And if I need to hack it myself,
[15:23] <sommer> during the "software updates" question of the installer, does the "automatically install security updates" option use a cron job?
[15:24] <sommer> just wondering because I couldn't find on the specific job
[15:24] <mathiaz> sommer: my guess is that it uses the unattended-upgrade package.
[15:24] <sommer> mathiaz: ah, that makes sense
[15:24] <sommer> mathiaz: thanks
[15:25] <mathiaz> sommer: it's based on a cron job IIRC
[16:52] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #270570 in samba (main) "cifs mounts and unmounts properly for a day or so, then hangs on future mounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270570
[17:27] <Adri2000> so, should I just go ahead with vsftpd?
[18:20] <w8tah> hi folks - have sysklogd running as my logging agent in ubuntu heron server - its almost working too well -- i have tons and gobs of packet drops from my firewall - -the vast majority of which are network broadcasts -- is it possible to configure sysklog so that it doesnt send the internal broadcast drops to my log server?
[18:28] <dendrobates> coffeedude: are you around?
[20:04] <jimcooncat> apt-cacher or approx? any opinions, please?
[21:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #270663 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "needless use of "m" flag now that PROT_EXEC bug on i386 was solved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270663
[22:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #270675 in net-snmp (main) "package snmpd 5.4.1~dfsg-7.1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270675
[22:23] <Goosemoose> im trying to connect to a domain via likewise while doing a network install. logs show it joins the domain but then has a bunch of pam errors after. Can anyone make sense of this: http://pastebin.com/d734c4899 ?
[22:26] <ivoks> there's no user root in your domain
[22:26] <Goosemoose> but why would there need to be?
[22:26] <ivoks> who said it need to be
[22:26] <ivoks> it just pam telling you that there's no root user in domain
[22:27] <Goosemoose> why is it bothering to tell me though? it says it joined the domain, but then i cant login as a user in the domain
[22:27] <ivoks> that's another problem
[22:27] <Goosemoose> oh
[22:28] <ivoks> and you are doing this on livecd?
[22:28] <aless> hi, after i login to my sftp server it hangs up. What could be wrong?
[22:28] <Goosemoose> yeah when i telnet in to it, it shows error before the login prompt
[22:28] <Goosemoose> no using network
[22:28] <Goosemoose> preseed.cfg file
[22:28] <ivoks> what error?
[22:28] <Goosemoose> it literraly just says error
[22:29] <Goosemoose> i can log in as root but that's it
[22:29] <Goosemoose> but the logs show it joined the domain
[22:30] <ivoks> Goosemoose: on installed system or live one?
[22:31] <ivoks> aless: check /var/log/auth.log
[22:31] <Goosemoose> ?
[22:31] <Goosemoose> on the installed system
[22:32] <ivoks> Goosemoose: domain ends with .local?
[22:32] <Goosemoose> yes
[22:32] <Goosemoose> thats why i editing the nsswitch.conf
[22:32] <ivoks> ok then
[22:32] <Goosemoose> part of my script
[22:32] <aless> ivoks, thanks !
[22:33] <Goosemoose> hosts:          files dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4
[22:33] <Goosemoose> changed the line to that which allows the .local to work ok
[22:33] <Goosemoose> at least when i do it manually it works
[22:33] <Goosemoose> that was one of the 2 fixes I found for the .local bug
[22:34] <Goosemoose> the other is to turn off the service which I didn't want to do
[22:34] <ivoks> i don't know what could be the problem
[22:34] <ivoks> is there anything in logs?
[22:34] <aless> ivoks, ssh works but it hangs up after i login in scp/sftp. The auth.log says session closed for user .. and authentication failure
[22:34] <aless> and i reports success for ssh connections
[22:37] <Goosemoose> ivoks, talking to me or aless
[22:37] <ivoks> no one at the moment :)
[22:37] <Goosemoose> lol
[22:37] <Goosemoose> http://pastebin.com/d734c4899
[22:37] <Goosemoose> thats the log where the error is
[22:38] <Goosemoose> but it shows joining the domain properly
[22:38] <Goosemoose> im going to add a root user and see what happens
[22:40] <Goosemoose> ok ivoks, one other question. any idea what I need to set to get edubuntu-desktop to install? i have: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, edubuntu-desktop but I end up at the terminal
[22:41] <ivoks> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <ivoks> oh, in preseed
[22:41] <ivoks> i haven't played with this for some time
[22:42] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Had a chance to test clamav yet?
[22:42] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: i'll build in an hour or two
[22:42] <Goosemoose> hmm
[22:42] <Goosemoose> yeah in preseed
[22:42] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Great.
[22:44] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: this is patch for 0.94
[22:44] <ivoks> i have 0.92 in 8.04
[22:45] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Yes.  I thought we agreed you'd grab the Intrepid source package and build/test that.
[22:45] <ivoks> oh...ok
[22:46] <ivoks> anyone got problems like this:
[22:47] <ivoks> # do-release-upgrade -d
[22:47] <ivoks> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[22:47] <ivoks> No new release found
[22:47] <ivoks> while running gutsy
[22:49] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: -d would upgrade you to the development release and you can't do that from Gutsy.
[22:50] <ScottK-laptop> Without the -d should get you to Hardy.
[22:51] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: atm, clamav is working fine
[22:51] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: with or without -d - same problem :/
[22:51] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.
[22:51] <nxvl> -f always make things work, well if it has that option
[22:51] <ivoks> -f FRONTEND :)
[22:52] <nxvl> mmm
[22:52] <nxvl> then that's not the option i was talking about
[22:53] <nxvl> --force?
[22:55] <ivoks> no, no such option
[22:56] <nxvl> :(
[22:56] <ivoks> but... interesting...
[22:56] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Works fine here from my gutsy pbuilder.
[22:56] <ivoks> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 500000}) = 0 (Timeout)
[22:56] <nxvl> i can't make pbuilder work on my netbook :(
[22:57] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: it worked on all my prevoius gutsy machines :)
[22:57] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Odds are, unless you've got MD devices apt-get dist-upgrade will work fine.
[22:58] <ivoks> and, of course, i have md devices :)
[22:59] <ivoks> funny machine
[22:59] <ivoks> parted shows 3TB partition, but df shows only 700GB :)
[23:20] <aless> ivoks, found the answer, .bashrc was asking for the sudo password. That confused sftp/scp
[23:21] <ivoks> :)
[23:58] <Goosemoose> ok, installer logs show the domain was joined fine
[23:58] <Goosemoose> but i cant login as a domain user
[23:58] <Goosemoose> how can that be?
[23:58] <Goosemoose> that's the whole point of likewise-open


[00:26] <akira893> i get an error while loading the vm image
[00:26] <akira893> yotux use nvidia
[00:55] <Fordrdnk> So i probably have a very novice question...
[01:06] <elphias> hi, i was here earlier today, trying to get help with all of my video coming from my webcam being upside down, i ran a bunch of commands that broke things at the suggestion of people and had to redo my linuxbox, i suspect that it was partially my fault and not the fault of the people that tried to help me, would anyone be able to assist me again? i'm ready to experiment
[01:08] <elphias> also to those who helped earlier, thank you so much for trying, and for those who will help now, thank you for your time. ^_^
[01:10] <elphias> basically using ubuntu 18.04 updated to current, and the video output from cam is upside down except in guvcview
[01:10] <elphias> video4linux is still upside down
[01:11] <elphias> so if anyone could help me fix this issue, i'd appriciate it greately
[01:11] <elphias> i've tried various howto's on my own, but with no success
[01:11] <elphias> the people here where of far more help ^_^
[01:19] <elphias> wow it's quiet here, everyone must be having noms
[01:50] <FaTaL_G> elphias, I dont have a solution (not familiar myself)... but you have different results on different software?
[01:52] <FaTaL_G> and the image is right, just not rightside right, which would mean everything is talking the same language. So look into advanced customizations for video4inux
[02:24] <elphias> yes, video4linux seems useless
[02:24] <elphias> one other app is right side up,
[02:24] <elphias> and for some reason i get a access denied even in root
[02:25] <OerHeks> so it is not system wide?
[02:25] <OerHeks> what camera is this?
[02:25] <elphias> ffmpeg -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -vf "vflip" -f v4l2 /dev/video1
[02:26] <elphias> gives an access denied message in red, even when i drop to root
[02:26] <elphias> here's the cam
[02:26] <elphias> *-usb:0
[02:26] <elphias>                       description: Video
[02:26] <elphias>                       product: USB 2.0 Camera
[02:26] <elphias>                       vendor: Sonix Technology Co., Ltd.
[02:26] <elphias>                       physical id: 2
[02:27] <OerHeks> !paste
[02:28] <DalekSec> OerHeks: FWIW, the bot usually PMs the user it mutes.
[02:28] <elphias> sorries about that
[02:28] <elphias> did not mean to spam
[02:28] <elphias> here's the cam
[02:28] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jN8j32T3H3/
[02:28] <FaTaL_G> well, video for linux does have a option for orientation
[02:29] <elphias> here's the full output of that command
[02:29] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GmQZsbmRBh/
[02:29] <FaTaL_G> when I googled video4linux orientation, there were options for jpeg and other image formate s to specify which corner was what
[02:30] <elphias> it almost seems like the cam is owned by root but not able to change it to user
[02:31] <FaTaL_G> probably moreso something is using it. But clearly, if you are able to run sw on it, then ownership(access) is not the problem
[02:31] <elphias> i killed everything i could thing of that was using it
[02:31] <elphias> if there's a *.* killall for it i'd use it
[02:31] <FaTaL_G> but Im not an expert here. Just, usually, with ownership/access, if you cant touch it, you cant touch it
[02:31] <elphias> but i don't think there is, and i can't figure out whats controlling it
[02:32] <elphias> so i am guessing there is no fix for this? nor workaround?
[02:33] <OerHeks> so it does not happen in all applications?
[02:33] <FaTaL_G> (thats what he said)
[02:33] <OerHeks> only chrome/chromium? ( known issue)
[02:33] <elphias> guvcview works fine
[02:34] <FaTaL_G> now Im confused hehehe
[02:34] <elphias> but everything else is upside down
[02:34] <FaTaL_G> so the device works, and the os works
[02:34] <FaTaL_G> and even apps work
[02:34] <OerHeks> one could try a PPA with the latest builds, but without proper info, i doubt it is broken
[02:34] <FaTaL_G> so I googled "video4linux & orientation" and there were options.
[02:36] <elphias> yup none seem to work in v4l
[02:36] <elphias> the options are non responsive
[02:39] <elphias> would someone be willing to dedicate some time in private message to helping me fix this? i would very much appriciate it,
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> elphias: we already explained you yesterday PM is not the way we support here
[02:40] <elphias> holy crap have i been up that long O_o sorries, been trouble shooting this cam for over 24 hours then >.<
[02:40] <OerHeks> i am missing some info, what video device? lsusb or lspci would tell .. and what application(s) doe this flip?
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> elphias: be patient then, and please mind your language too
[02:41] <elphias> i am minding my words, i did not swear O_o
[02:41] <elphias> if i did i apologize
[02:45] <elphias> here is the info i got ahold of
[02:45] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GFNXgW6Nwk/
[02:45] <FaTaL_G> elphias: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam/Troubleshooting
[02:45] <elphias> i forgot a command, but it gives an access denied in red letters
[02:45] <seven-eleven> hi
[02:46] <seven-eleven> how do i install gta v in ubuntu?
[02:46] <FaTaL_G> elphias: I found that link, from the: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam  and it specifically gives ways to right the image
[02:46] <FaTaL_G> both pages offer pretty primitive means of testing and working out issues
[02:47] <OerHeks> seven-eleven, sounds like you need wine and playonlinux, join the winechannel for game help
[02:47] <OerHeks> !wine
[02:49] <seven-eleven> OerHeks, i just learned about "proton/lutris" seems like they use wine and do the config for the user
[02:49] <FaTaL_G> elphias, you are probably mixing issues. *thats my guess.  One is, you are configuring this webcam on this linux install the way you want it, the other is, you are doing things as root/sudo or running one or more apps on the device at the same time.
[02:49] <FaTaL_G> not being able to configure any settings, (settings dont do anything), leads me to believe you are changing them in the wrong place/files/ways
[05:24] <elphias> hi, i have an odd question, i use a program for linux called weewx, it allows my weather station to interface with weather underground and display current weather information around my house, what i am wondering is if anyone knows of a program out there that has a gui that instead of having to go to weather underground to view the data, that i can open on my screen and watch it there? i know it's a long shot, but one can hope
[05:24] <elphias> can't they? ^_^
[05:39] <FaTaL_G> hows the camera?
[06:30] <elphias> is there a way to install the ati/video card drivers in .deb form in ubuntu 18.04? i kept running into dependancy issues
[06:31] <elphias> i just downloaded the .deb from ati's website for ubuntu 18.04, could not get it to install no matter what i did....am i not doing something right? or are the crappy open source oibaf drivers the only option
[06:31] <elphias> !ati
[06:32] <elphias> Oooooooo
[06:32] <elphias> ok, that explains it, guess i'm stuck with the crappy oibaf drivers >.<
[06:32] <elphias> *Sighs*
[06:37] <ChiLLabiS> elphias: Or padoka
[06:37] <elphias> padoka? never heard of it, what is it?
[06:37] <ChiLLabiS> it's an ppa just like oibaf
[06:38] <ChiLLabiS> There is a stable version and an unstable with more recent updates
[06:42] <elphias_> well that was an unexpected solid lockup of a freeze O_o
[06:43] <elphias_> oddly i get those lockups from time to time, no clue what causes them or how to figure it out
[06:52] <HeliNomad> Sweet!  18.04LTS goes on a Mac Mini super smooth!
[07:08] <elphias> is there a fan control for asus laptops? sensors-detect saw stuff, but the next part of the howto said there was no controllable fans or something
[07:15] <zmagii> i've asked this already, but the guy who responed went offline. how do you enable night mode on ubuntu? i use ubuntu studio 19
[07:22] <zmagii> ubuntu studio uses xfce
[07:55] <py_dev> Hi, I'm trying to use a Virtualbox setup for the first time, but I'm facing issues with input.
[07:55] <py_dev> Everython works so far, installation complete. Booting and logging into my Ubuntu (guest OS) account easily,
[07:55] <py_dev> After login, mouse and keyboard no longer work on the guest OS.
[08:00] <OerHeks> did you install the virtualbox guest additions  iso to fix that?
[08:00] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/GuestAdditions
[08:09] <Northstrider> How would I check what requires a package? e.g. why a package is [installed,automatic]?
[08:11] <OerHeks> apt-rdepends can show dependencies. apt-rdepends <[ackage>
[08:12] <Northstrider> Perfect, thank you
[08:18] <elphias> i know that you all do not provide support for discord, but i have a question, why is my dmesg completely flooded with this error when the app is running? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SPQRfg7QMP/
[08:19] <OerHeks> elphias, bad written Proprietary stuff, we have no clue
[08:20] <OerHeks> file a bug against the snap? snap info <snap_name> gives an email-adress i hope
[08:21] <elphias> i've never seen anything like it in dmesg
[08:21] <elphias> almost 8k errors in less than 5 minutes
[08:21] <elphias> i'm just like whoa
[08:22] <OerHeks> ow wait, there are some install options, for different purposes https://github.com/snapcrafters/discord
[08:22] <py_dev> OerHeks: Thanks. Done this already.
[08:22] <py_dev> Still does not work.
[08:23] <py_dev> I used a different tty and ran apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
[08:23] <py_dev> But it still fails.
[08:47] <elphias> i have a question, this is a new system to me, why are there messages in dmesg saying that the core temp is above threshold and the cpu clock has been throttled? is that normal? there's 9218 events of this
[08:47] <elphias> stupid net
[08:48] <elphias> is this error dangerous? is there a fix?
[08:48] <mcphail> elphias that's an annoying niggle with confinement. Might be worth mentioning on the snapcraft.io forum
[08:48] <OerHeks> seeing his part error, temp issues...
[08:50] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PcddhqHYF6/
[08:50] <elphias> my system isn't gonna burn it's self out is it?
[08:50] <mcphail> elphias my reply was regarding your snap issue, of course, rather than your temperature error
[08:51] <elphias> gerrr internet issues
[08:51] <elphias> here's the dmesg output
[08:51] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PcddhqHYF6/
[08:51] <elphias> is my system gonna fry it's self?
[08:52] <EriC^^> elphias: try installing lm-sensors and run "sensors" to see the temps
[08:52] <EriC^^> also what does "top" show for the cpu usage?
[08:53] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jF9Q9zbjKw/
[08:54] <EriC^^> yeah that's pretty high
[08:54] <EriC^^> anything in "top" ?
[08:54]  * extor wants to mount a 300GB partition under /home/xtor/vmware and have it NOT owned by root. Already tried it and the VM created has all sorts of permission issues. Any howtos on this? Any recommended scripts or apps?
[08:54] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hrV9ygJTQM/
[08:54] <elphias> thats what is in top
[08:55] <EriC^^> it doesn't look too bad
[08:55] <EriC^^> elphias: could you paste "cat /proc/cmdline" ?
[08:56] <EriC^^> is this a laptop? does it actually feel hot/fans on etc?
[08:56] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2wJQTFrFGY/
[08:57] <elphias> EriC^^, i can hear fans running and feel air moving
[08:57] <EriC^^> aha that's good
[08:58] <elphias> i tried installing lm-sensors and fan control based on a howto, sensors-detect saw stuff, but fancontrol says there's nothing to control
[08:58] <EriC^^> perhaps see if there's a newer kernel to be installed maybe there's a bug and it works better
[08:59] <elphias> how would i do that? is there one just for an i7?
[08:59] <EriC^^> try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:00] <elphias> running the commmand now
[09:00] <EriC^^> which ubuntu is this?
[09:01] <elphias> ubuntu 18.04 lts
[09:01] <elphias> i don't like the short releases
[09:01] <elphias> nothing to be upgraded or removed
[09:01] <EriC^^> ah
[09:02] <EriC^^> you could try installing the hwe package and get a newer kernel
[09:02] <elphias> elphias@asus:~$ uname -r
[09:02] <elphias> 5.0.0-37-generic
[09:02] <elphias> how do i do that?
[09:02] <EriC^^> !hwe | elphias
[09:03] <EriC^^> are you sure this isnt like a one time fluke though?
[09:04] <elphias> nope been watching the temps error in dmesg for about 2 weeks now
[09:05] <elphias> it says i am already using that version of hwe
[09:05] <elphias> nothing to be upgraded
[09:07] <elphias> i'm going to beat verizon
[09:07] <elphias> what can i do to bring those temps to within normal range
[09:09] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic bionic
[09:11] <EriC^^> elphias: just guessing here, if top shows no usage, maybe linux isnt controlling the cpu right, not putting properly in sleep or something
[09:12] <OerHeks> check for a bios update?
[09:12] <elphias> ok i am trying to figure this out, how do i do this? i'm interested in testing
[09:12] <EriC^^> elphias: try setting the acpi maybe it helps?http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[09:12] <EriC^^> elphias: try setting the acpi maybe it helps? http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[09:16] <elphias> i downloaded the script and it failed
[09:17] <elphias> the script contained here http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html is broken
[09:17] <EriC^^> elphias: try "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows'"
[09:19] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dWKXfyY2Qf/
[09:20] <elphias> sorry i keep bouncing from the server, verizon screwed up my net
[09:20] <EriC^> elphias: what's the latest windows version it returned in the list?
[09:20] <elphias> 2009
[09:20] <EriC^> ok, type "sudo nano /etc/default/grub"
[09:21] <elphias> done
[09:21] <EriC^> elphias: add in the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT after quiet splash
[09:22] <EriC^> acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\"
[09:22] <elphias> ok save it?
[09:22] <EriC^> yeah
[09:23] <EriC^^> then sudo update-grub
[09:26] <elphias> it returns an error
[09:26] <elphias> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[09:27] <elphias> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JWtWmhrN7r/
[09:27] <EriC^^> elphias: type "cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:27] <elphias> i don't know if i typed something wrong
[09:28] <elphias> https://termbin.com/eam9
[09:30] <elphias> https://termbin.com/eam9
[09:30] <EriC^^> elphias: remove GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and in the line above it, add after quiet splash acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\"
[09:31] <EriC^^> you should end up with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2009\""
[09:31] <elphias> with the " " ?
[09:31] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:32] <EriC^^> maybe if you join irc from the webchat you won't get disconnected btw, https://webchat.freenode.net
[09:35] <elphias> reboot now?
[09:35] <EriC^^> did you run sudo update-grub ?
[09:35] <elphias> yes
[09:35] <EriC^^> ok cool, try rebooting
[09:36] <elphias> wish me luck
[09:38] <Simooon> Hi I have a harddrive from a broken machine I'm trying to access, but nothing seems to be able to recognise it, gparted can't even see it, it might be entirely dead, but do anyone have some last resort things I can try?
[09:41] <elphias_> stress testing the system now, fired up secondlife
[09:42] <elphias_> if that don't generate some heat i am not sure what will
[09:43] <elphias_> darn still getting core temps above threshold cpu throttled, but it's only 1 event right now
[09:47] <elphias_> 30 total events now v.v
[09:50] <elphias_> i'm getting less overheating messages in dmesg now
[09:50] <elphias_> is only a few ok? or should there be none at all?
[09:51] <EriC^> ideally none i guess
[09:51] <elphias_> i wonder what could still be making the errors, there's only 30 of them now, and it seems to be staying that way
[09:53] <EriC^> elphias_: i dont know for sure how to troubleshoot it, if it were my pc i'd probably try a different kernel and see how that goes, or possibly if it's an old laptop open it up and clean the fans or maybe put thermal paste between the cpu and fan
[09:53] <elphias_> no new messages
[09:53] <EriC^> nice
[09:53] <elphias_> secondlife is a very hardware intensive game due to it's almost 100% user created content
[09:53] <elphias_> if the cpu is gonna over heat, it's gonna be while running firestorm
[09:56] <elphias_> gona fire up discord, it's written by a 3 year old with no common sense
[09:59] <elphias_> the overheating issues seem to have vanished, i think your fix worked! ^_^
[10:07] <elphias_> just checked dmesg, and there's 1373 instances of over heating
[10:07] <elphias_> i guess it did not work like i thought it did v.v
[10:08] <elphias_> i really don't want my (new to me) laptop to burn up
[10:09] <elphias_> dmesg
[10:12] <elphias> granted the amount of individual errors in dmesg are far fewer, i'm still worried because they are showing up in red text
[10:15] <elphias> are there anymore fix's i can try to get rid of those red messages entirely
[10:16] <elphias> i'm very worried about physical damage to my hardware
[10:18] <elphias> the errors are up to  acount of 4767 now v.v
[10:53] <elphias> i found an interesting thing built for lenovo laptops
[10:54] <elphias> supposedly it keeps the heat down, there where a few asus refrences in the howto, so i figured it would be ok to try it on my asus
[11:22] <elphias> i fixed the overheating issue ^_^
[11:22] <elphias> i found a howto, it was built for a lenovo computer, however on a hunch i used the download and git and compile commands to build the module
[11:22] <elphias> rebooted and to my surprise it did not kill the kernel
[11:23] <elphias> now there's not a single overheating/throttleing message in dmesg
[11:24] <elphias> if anyone is interested, read down this page to the ubuntu section, it will give the commands that in this case seem to work perfectly
[11:24] <elphias> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158065/cpu-overheating-in-ubuntu-18-04/1158093#1158093
[11:25] <elphias> oddly the solution was built for lenovo, not for asus, HOWEVER there is a asus mention in the page that linked to this one, so i figured what the hey i'll give it a try
[11:25] <elphias> and to my surprise it worked!
[11:55] <elphias> now that i got all the bugs worked out of the kernel and the temps are normal, how might one go about creating a complete install image of this system?
[11:56] <elphias> in case i have to redo it i don't have to dig up and bother people for the info again
[11:56] <elphias> kinda like an "OEM" usb drive or something like that
[12:17] <hide4> Hello everyone!
[12:32] <corshmock> Does anyone know how to get a VM to talk to an Ubuntu host, other VMs and the Internet by any chance?  You wouldn't believe the hell I'm having with this.  I really wish someone could help.
[12:32] <hide4> corshmock: ssh?
[12:32] <rvsjoen> hi everyone, trying to figure out preseeding, created a preseed.cfg file and referenced it via boot param "file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg", the only thing in the preseed file is "d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US" but it doesn't seem to do anything. any tips as to know whether or not the preseed file is loaded at all ?
[12:33] <rvsjoen> corshmock: depends on how the network is distributed to the guest, how are you virtualizing ?
[12:33] <albech> corshmock: you need to be a little more specific.. Which VM? What host? Inside or outside a firewall? LAN?
[12:33] <corshmock> I'm using the dreaded KVM, which everyone says works pretty much out of the box.
[12:34] <corshmock> Host is Ubuntu albech, VM is Red Hat.  I don't think there is any firewall involved.
[12:35] <corshmock> It's just on my Broadband
[12:35] <corshmock> Ubuntu 18.04
[12:35] <albech> VM = hypervisor (KVM)?
[12:35] <corshmock> correct albech
[12:36] <albech> corshmock: and they are on the same network?
[12:36] <corshmock> I followed yet another doc this morning, using Netplan.  I thought it was going to work.  The bridge came up, had an ip address, but no contact between host and guest and I lost internet connectivity
[12:37] <corshmock> Well they are different subnets
[12:37] <corshmock> Host is 192.168.100.x / 24 and VM is on 192.168.122.x / 24, which is questionable to me anyway.
[12:38] <albech> wont work unless you route some traffic there
[12:38] <albech> this is two different networks
[12:38] <corshmock> I've tried a static route but it didn't work either.
[12:39] <corshmock> I wonder can I force KVM to put the host on the 192.168.100.x network.
[12:39] <root1> Hello
[12:39] <albech> this is not the solution, but ill bet if you changed the netmask to 16 is would work
[12:39] <root1> What is it called the Apple Spaces in Windos 10?
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> root1: this is ubuntu support..
[12:40] <corshmock> I'm not sure if I can make a change to the scope.
[12:40] <root1> lotuspsychje: I know. Thats why I am asking. Apple and Windows support doesn??t work.
[12:40] <albech> no, but your problem is that you are trying to connect from one network to the other and you need some routing between them
[12:41] <corshmock> Yeah I've tried a static route but no joy there either.
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> root1: do you have a specific question about ubuntu?
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> corshmock: try ##networking perhaps?
[12:42] <corshmock> Thanks lotuspsychje, I don't suppose there is a KVM channel?
[12:43] <albech> corshmock: hmm sure or #kvm if such thing esists
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> there is
[12:43] <root1> lotuspsychje: no
[12:43] <rvsjoen> do a tcpdump on the host to see if the traffic is passing outbound, if the guest and host are on different networks you need return routing or source natting to make the return traffic work
[12:44] <albech> corshmock: as rvsjoen you need to fix return routing as well
[12:44] <corshmock> Thanks albech and rvsjoen for your help.
[12:46] <rvsjoen> is debconf-utils replaced by something else in 18.04 ? or is there another way to auto generate the preseed file ? (debconf-get-selection equivalent)
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:58] <hide4> @BluesKaj hi
[12:58] <BluesKaj> hi hide4
[13:43] <Bakkar> Hello aain guys, I have been trying to setup #Kubuntu next to windows. I did not have an EFI boot so I created a 500MB for EFI - as recommended by installer and formated fat32 - but after the install I am unable to access the boot menu. I have checked my BIOS and UEFI is enabled with Legacy support and even UEFI only does not boot. Any ideas?
[13:43] <Bakkar> [13:42] <Bakkar> can anyone help?
[13:45] <Blade> legacy
[13:45] <Blade> try
[13:53] <mouses> Bakkar: Try method 2 here, just click the big 'recommended repair' button.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:54] <elphias> i just discovered that this laptop has two power buttons, one big one at the top right of the keyboard, and a smaller one next to the volume buttons it has a power simbol and a little man symbol
[13:54] <mouses> Bakkar: Windows *loves* to nuke non windows bootloaders, so you'll probably find yourself having to do that again in the future after windows updates from time to time.
[13:54] <elphias> when i start the laptop with that second power button my cpu temps don't seem so high, why 2 power buttons?
[13:54] <mouses> elphias: make and model of laptop?
[13:55] <elphias> asus n61j
[13:55] <elphias> kinda
[13:55] <elphias> it's the only computer like it in the world, never mass produced with these specs, asus actually tried to buy it back from me
[13:56] <elphias> the n61j topped out at an i5 cpu with 8gb of ram and a 250gb hd
[13:56] <elphias> but thats not what this one has, it was an engeneers computer special built
[13:56] <elphias> asus actually offered to pay the shipping to send it to them, ontop of offering me 3k for it
[13:56] <elphias> it was never supposed to leave whereever the guy worked
[13:57] <elphias> this one has an i7 with 16gb of ram and a 500gb ssd
[13:57] <elphias> so it's a n61j in name only
[13:57] <elphias> but, it behaves diffrently when powered on by the secondary power button
[13:57] <elphias> i don't hear fans at all
[13:57] <mouses> elphias: who knows then.  That button is not mentioned or described in the manual for that model.  https://www.asus.com/Laptops/N61Ja/HelpDesk_Manual/
[13:58] <elphias> the button has a power symbol and sits amongst the volume keys at the top left of the keyboard above it, the regular power button is this big round eye looking thing that lights up when you press it
[13:58] <mouses> yup
[13:59] <Blade> elphias thise mashine no chance install ubuntu
[13:59] <elphias> wrong model number, there is no "a" there
[13:59] <Blade> my laptop died
[13:59] <elphias> Blade, ubuntu is running just amazing on it
[13:59] <Blade> ok
[13:59] <elphias> with a bit of a heat issue, but the fans are silent now that i've pressed that button for the first time
[14:00] <mouses> elphias: every single system following the n61j prefix has more after that
[14:00] <elphias> the big power button the fans are noisey
[14:00] <elphias> oh okies
[14:00] <mouses> elphias: Best bet in this case is to probably contact ASUS and ask.
[14:00] <elphias> well this one does not, if i had a camera i'd show you
[14:00] <elphias> i did, they would not tell me
[14:00] <mouses> Not much more I can say without just blind guessing.
[14:00] <elphias> there are no other letters or numbers after the n61j
[14:00] <elphias> ditto
[14:01] <mouses> Perhaps some 'start up with hardware CPU throttling on a very aggressive setting, disable fans?' option?
[14:01] <mouses> That would be my best guess, but that's really only a guess.
[14:01] <elphias> same here, i really could not tell you
[14:01] <mouses> Oh!  Another really common use of that is a 'boot into a recovery mode' function
[14:01] <mouses> that's actually really common
[14:02] <mouses> and probably now that I think about it, my best bet
[14:02] <elphias> though i did some googleing, it seems that some asus laptops have the dual power option, when the tiny button is pressed, it boots into a linux os
[14:02] <elphias> the big button boots windows
[14:02] <elphias> according to the forums i read at best buy
[14:02] <mouses> And if you lack a recovery partition it probably just falls back to the first OS it can boot
[14:02] <elphias> possible
[14:02] <elphias> though i don't really know
[14:03] <mouses> Were you testing CPU temp using like some form of semi-standarized method?  Like start something designed to stress the CPU, let it run for 15 mins, repeat using 'the other button'?
[14:03] <mouses> I doubt there would be a 'don't bother using system fans' button, that sounds kinda unsafe
[14:04] <mouses> but who knows - I mean the higher end laptops get generally the stranger the hardware gets
[14:04] <elphias> the button is shown on the drawing in the manual
[14:04] <elphias> still looking
[14:05] <elphias> ahha!
[14:05] <elphias> it's called a express gate key
[14:05] <elphias> pressing this key will launch express gate
[14:06] <elphias> it's also called a power4gear key
[14:06] <elphias> it also has a graphics boost key
[14:06] <elphias> which if you hold that power4gate key down seems to boost the vid card
[14:07] <mouses> oh, glad you found it then
[14:07] <mouses> I didn't see it, but I really skimmed said manual and have not had my coffee yet
[14:08] <elphias> hehe
[14:08] <elphias> all i can tell you is that the laptop is 100% silent right now
[14:08] <elphias> temps are still well cool
[14:08] <elphias> oh and look at that, my heat issue in dmesg is fixed O_o
[14:10] <elphias> oddly sudo lshw -c cpu shows the cpu is actually running at a higher speed with a lower voltage
[14:10] <elphias> O_o
[14:10] <elphias> a quick google states that the button loaded a secondary linux like os
[14:11] <elphias> maybe that's the button i should boot with when using linux
[14:12] <Blade> change boot with bios
[14:13] <elphias> and get this, i'm testing a game right now called second life, unless you have a good video card you get a low fps because of the user created content
[14:13] <elphias> well, i pressed the tiny power button system botten in 7 seconds
[14:14] <elphias> and secondlife is giving me 60fps
[14:14] <elphias> where i normally get 20 with normal power button
[14:14] <elphias> there is something very diffrent going on here
[14:14] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VZQygdSkZ5/  and see the problem
[14:15] <Blade> no problem
[14:17] <elphias> in whatever mode this is, the computer is about 8 times faster
[14:17] <elphias> and 60% quieter
[14:17] <elphias> i timed it, it takes 7 seconds to boot from power off in this mode, it took me longer to log in
[14:17] <elphias> than it did for the system to boot
[14:18] <elphias> i never noticed the secondary power button before untill i was air dusting the keyboard for better airflow
[14:20] <elphias> oh and this is odd, press the function key, and the little dude on the spacebar, and the system instantly locks the desktop O_O
[14:20] <elphias> and i mean instant
[14:21] <Blade> no secand power buuton is one
[14:22] <elphias> based on my quick read of the manual and of the best buy forums, it would seem that the main power button boots windows, and the secondary seems to boot a linux like os
[14:22] <elphias> i bet if i keep booting with the secondary power button all my over heating errors in dmesg will go away
[14:22] <Blade> grub boot
[14:23] <Blade> check pc
[14:23] <elphias> oh and one more thing, there's an ssd in here, so far i've noticed that the programs i've started which usually take a moment or 2 to open, open instantly
[14:23] <elphias> even secondlife which takes a moment or 2 to load popped right up in the blink of an eye
[14:24] <elphias> although i have noticed something......some cpu cores seem to be missing? or it could just be me
[14:25] <elphias> nope all 8 cores are there, had to find an app in the app store to figure that out though
[14:25] <Blade> one boot win 2 ubuntu is inpossabal for me
[14:25] <nixfreak> I am installing Ubuntu 16 offline and other dependencies , one of the dependencies is openjdk-9-headless , I have tried to install this package twice now and receive the same error message. I have also downloaded this package from two separate ubuntu places.
[14:25] <nixfreak> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j6bMZgQbrQ/
[14:27] <nixfreak> Again I am installing 100% offline , so no online repos period
[14:27] <nixfreak> Taking the package from here https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/xenial/universe/base/openjdk-9-jre-headless
[14:28] <Blade> elphias  grub boot not ......
[14:29] <elphias> huh?
[14:29] <elphias> i'm not sure what you mean
[14:29] <elphias> i don't know if it used grub to boot or not
[14:29] <elphias> there could be something quicker built in i don't know
[14:30] <Blade> mashine not boot win or ubuntu grub boot
[14:30] <elphias> i haven't used windows in almost 20 years O_o
[14:30] <elphias> i know what it looks like but not how to use it
[14:32] <Blade> i 30 years us pc dos i am bulgarian pravec 8c like apple
[14:33] <Blade> 8 years old i 38
[14:47] <mustmodify> I'm a web dev. One of my clients got a message saying their u/p combination had been found in the wild. They're worried our server has been compromised... since I hash and salt passwords that seems somewhat unlikely. But I told them I'd "due some checking". Any thoughts about how to look for smoke-signals that a server was compromised? I realize the point would be to not leave traces.
[14:50] <elphias> ok further testing, there's a trackpad with 2 buttons at the bottom of the keyboard, it does not matter what app i open, it pops open before i can even begin to move my finger from the mouse button O_o
[14:51] <elphias> i had no idea this laptop was THAT quick
[14:51] <mguy> mustmodify: do they use it on any other site? usually those leak databases tell what site it came from
[14:52] <leftyfb> mustmodify: try #ubuntu-security
[14:53] <mustmodify> mguy: I'm sure that's what happened. I told them it was somewhere between very and extraordinarily unlikely to have come from us. Still, some due diligence might comfort them. :)
[14:53] <mustmodify> leftyfb: thanks.
[14:53] <elphias> i am so NEVER using the big power button again!
[14:56] <BluesKaj> elphias, ok now that yoyure finished blogging about your laptop, can we stick to (u)buntu support
[14:57] <elphias> if being amazed about something i just discovered on a laptop i've owned for a while is blogging well then sue me.
[14:57] <elphias> it's tech.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> elphias, if you wish to continue about your laptop pleqase join #ubuntu-offtopic chat
[14:58] <elphias> oh! i had forgotten about that channel
[14:58] <elphias> then i apologize
[14:58] <elphias> i should have brought my amazement there >.<
[15:08] <nixfreak> So openjdk-9 has a quite a few dependencies , I think it would be easier to have a repo offline instead , How can I download a repo and have it offline for Ubuntu 16 LTS version
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> nixfreak: You could use something like Apt-Mirror to regularly mirror the official repo and configure your machines locally to to use the mirror. I'm not sure on how to target a specific package with that method
[15:15] <nixfreak> Can't I download the repo using git then copy to the offline server ?
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> nixfreak: apt and git are two very different things
[15:19] <nixfreak> yep I understand that , I just need a local repo , for stuff like java
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> nixfreak: It all depends on your use case. Could you directly go to the repo and download the packages, yes... however there is no method to configure apt to work with those packages you've manually captured and have locally
[15:21] <nixfreak> so I'm stuck ?
[15:21] <p0a> Hello when I'm using emacs on ubuntu, I've noticed that emacs opens too many windows instead of keeping them in one ; I'm talking about a GIMP effect (vs photoshop)
[15:21] <p0a> Is this related to GTK? It wasn't like that when I was using a tiling window manager
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> nixfreak: To add to that, this channel focuses on using the tools made available that can be supported for managing software on an Ubuntu installation. Which means the volunteers here are going to always assume you're using apt to update. If you're not using apt to update, the volunteers will not be able to help you as there is no documentation for manual installation techniques, and the potential system customizations needed to
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> make it work
[15:22] <nixfreak> umm Ok , thanks
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: GTK is does what it is told, it does not decide to break apart application windows into individual panels. You are probably looking for a configuration option in emacs that keeps all panels in the main window.
[15:25] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: thank you.
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> nixfreak: If you're looking for a way to reduce the amount of data used to download to multiple computers. You could setup apt-cacher which can locally cache the pacakges on your network, and then configure your Ubuntu installations to use the cache. If apt-cacher doesn't have the packages requested, it will pull them from the main ubuntu repo and keep them locally for other machines on your network to use.
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> nixfreak: Outside of those options, I don't see an advantage to downloading packages locally, as that would put the requirement on you to manually get them every time there is an update. Also, the bulk of the download is on the first installation. After that updates are smaller and more targetted to the package the requires the update
[15:46] <p0a> My apt upgrade installed libc6 ? is this normal
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: Yes, if you have something that required it as a dependency it will be updated
[16:12] <ruser> hello all, i'm trying to configure a new system with two gfx cards.  (Amd hd5850, and rtx 2060) I want to use radeon card for my day to day stuff in ubuntu, and  RTX as an iommu passthrough to VM.  However, when both cards are plugged in i can't loging into the default desktop manager.  it goes back to login.  So right now i'm trying to configure one card and can't seem to find where xorg.conf lives, and stop detection of the second card/ or
[16:13] <Pricey> is xorg.conf still used...?
[16:13] <ruser> So the question is how do i stop xorg autodetecting and force it to use one card
[16:13] <ruser> Pricey:  my understnading is  modern implementations of Xorg doesn't need a xorg.conf file, the configuration is automatic.
[16:13] <nixfreak> how do I get a script with all dependencies like you can with synaptic ?
[16:18] <ruser> and while i'm here, a second question. i'm using 19.10. an d trying out zfs on nvme m.2  when i run upgrade-grub i get: device-mapper: reload ioctl on osprober-linux-nvme0n1p7  failed: Device or resource busy Command failed.
[16:24] <ruser> The mount is /dev/nvme0n1p1 on /boot/grub type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[16:29] <ruser> and dmesg shows device-mapper: table: 253:0: linear: Device lookup failed      device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[16:32] <deadrom> hi. installed hwe kernel and xorg on 18.04. created more problems than it solved. how do I revert?
[16:34] <deadrom> the last non-hwe kernel is still here, but not the non-hwe xservers. do I purge those or do I install the "regular ones" alongside?
[16:39] <ioria> deadrom, installing  xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04      removes xserver-xorg ; so i'd go with purging linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04    and reinstalling   xserver-xorg  and linux-generic
[16:40] <kristian_> we can't search for "firefox" in ubuntu software (no matches on various ubuntu machines), what could be wrong with our network that is causing this?
[16:40] <kristian_> we have not experienced any other problems with our network
[16:40] <kristian_> and it used to work when we set up our machines
[16:42] <deadrom> ioria: apt install xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core  did it. better reboot now..
[16:42] <ioria> ok
[17:00] <IkeTaylor11> is there a way to backup my ubuntu 18.04 server so i can migrate it to new hardware?
[17:10] <p0a> Hello I ran `apt upgrade' and now I'm encountering a purple login screen that when I login to I am led to a blank purple screen
[17:10] <p0a> (I haven't restarted yet; I had to switch to a different tty to get to this channel through a terminal irc client)
[17:11] <p0a> Is this normal? it's a bit weird. I can't tell if my apt upgrade has finished or not, but I think it hasn't yet, because mandb is still running
[17:12] <p0a> and others like dpkg
[17:22] <p0a> shit I Think it decided to do a system upgrade
[17:23] <p0a> yesterday I was tinkering with it but I tried to cancel it when it told me it'll take several hours
[17:23] <p0a> but I guess it didn't really cancel and now apt is going for the system upgrade?
[17:26] <pnwise> Does anyone had htop/top showing high memory usage, but when you look the process combined they don't add up?
[17:27] <pnwise> I have server using 60gb of RAM, but it should not be used more than  ~12gb
[17:27] <pnwise> at least combined processes memory usage from ps show that, and I can't find what is using so much memory
[17:30] <mguy> pnwise: caching?
[17:30] <mguy> https://askubuntu.com/questions/369466/memory-usage-statistics-different-in-free-and-htop
[17:30] <pnwise> well that would have shown used in some process
[17:30] <pnwise> I had this with disk space and logs
[17:31] <pnwise> for example if you have web server writing to log and you delete it, it wont "update" disk usage
[17:32] <mguy> Because the server stil has it open until you restart it?
[17:44] <ruser> so looks like i figured out the vfio  iommu passthrough. though i can't seem to open a console login by ctrl+alt+f4 the screen goes into powersave mode
[17:46] <p0a> ruser: try f5
[17:47] <ruser> p0a: no go for any of them
[17:47] <ruser> fascinating
[17:48] <ruser> the monitor shows no render, but if i login blindly i can see on "w" that's it's logged in on tty5
[17:49] <ruser> some framebuffer issues?
[17:50] <p0a> dunno ruser
[17:51] <eeos> Hi everybody! Anyone who knows how to add appImage files to whole system installations? I cna easily use flatpaks and snaps, but not AppImage.
[18:10] <J_C> Hi there. Upon installing chromium-browser - which in my current version of Ubuntu (Kubuntu 19.10) subsequently installs the snapd version - the cursor theme is different to the one I currently use (Breeze theme) whilst it hovers over Chromium's contents. I have gtk-common-themes installed via snapd. Is there a way to force the snap to use the appropriate cursor theme? Thanks.
[18:12] <ducasse> J_C: try #snappy or #snapcraft, maybe
[18:12] <DonaldKBrown> Trying to follow the instructions here: https://tech.michaelaltfield.net/2020/01/02/buskill-laptop-kill-cord-dead-man-switch/ on 19.10 using my Google Titan USB security key as the device.
[18:13] <DonaldKBrown> However, the key doesn't appear to have an ID_MODEL on the remove event. I see it when I plug it in, but not remove it.
[18:14] <DonaldKBrown> Any suggestions on what I could do here?
[18:15] <J_C> ducasse: Thanks.
[18:18] <Xard> sigh... why can't the "org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay" setting widget feature 30 and 60 minute options...
[18:19] <deadrom> hi
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> Xard: dconf-editor to the rescue
[18:20] <deadrom> want to file a bug for a HWE packages I already unisntalled. Launchpad keeps sending me in circles. Will be a problem for some users if it goes into 20.04LTS
[18:20] <deadrom> so: how?
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> DonaldKBrown: For hardware , you might want to try ##hardware ... or ##linux for assistance with that
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | deadrom
[20:01] <maccraft123> how to update from bionic to latest version?
[20:01] <maccraft123> from bionic to eoan*
[20:01] <maccraft123> without do-release-upgrade
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> maccraft123:  you can't do it without do-release-upgrade
[20:06] <maccraft123> pragmaticenigma: s/bionic/eoan in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt update doesn't do that?
[20:07] <ioria> maccraft123, that is  the 'Debian Way' but not guaranteed
[20:07] <maccraft123> oh so that works
[20:07] <ioria> maccraft123, depends
[20:08] <ioria> maccraft123, 'Please be aware that while this method is valid, it is not supported by the Ubuntu developers. The ubuntu-release-upgrader package, which provides do-release-upgrade, is designed to handle quirks and transitions when moving between releases of Ubuntu'
[20:09] <maccraft123> okok
[20:09] <maccraft123> i can handle that myself
[20:09] <ioria> ok
[20:10] <maccraft123> what could go wrong?
[20:10] <leftyfb> maccraft123: got backups?
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> you end up with an unbootable system
[20:10] <maccraft123> leftyfb: backups are for pussies
[20:10] <maccraft123> :P
[20:10] <leftyfb> maccraft123: good luck [support ended]
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> maccraft123: please keep on topic and keep the language family friendly. If unsure, please consult the !coc
[20:11] <ioria> maccraft123, i don't know; maybe one of the thousands of hundreds of config files and pkgs installed ?  :þ
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> !coc
[20:11] <OerHeks> just make sure you have a fresh 19.10 usb ready
[20:11] <maccraft123> i run ubuntu on arm board
[20:13] <ioria> maccraft123, but honestly i don't understand the problem with do-release-upgrade
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> jumping from 18.04 to 19.10 is not possible with do-release-upgrade... they're likely trying to avoid redownloading all the same packages to get to the latest version
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: ^ ^
[20:14] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, nope, you can changing 'lts' to 'normal'
[20:15] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades , i mean
[20:15] <maccraft123> 24% update ;D
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> maccraft123: Please don't
[20:16] <maccraft123> pragmaticenigma: it is bad to interrupt dist-upgrade
[20:16] <ioria> yep
[20:16] <maccraft123> the worst thing is me preparing void linux sd card because i dislike debian-based distos
[20:17] <maccraft123> ubuntu is only thing i got to run on that board x
[20:17] <maccraft123> xD
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> maccraft123: Please keep it to support topics only. If you want to chat about your experiences, please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[20:34] <inurdata> exit
[20:51] <maccraft123> update went good
[20:51] <maccraft123> cya
[21:25] <TomyLobo> in order to have a some what secure ubuntu server, do i need to reboot once in a while to get kernel updates in or am i protected from remote threats by just activating unattended updates and leaving it at that?
[21:26] <EriC^> TomyLobo: you need to reboot to load new kernels
[21:26] <EriC^> and have some other updates applied as well
[21:26] <sarnold> TomyLobo: some kernel flaws are remotely exploitable, or perhaps you run software that could allow remote users to exploit the kernel flaws
[21:27] <theCorvus> the kernel is one of the few things that need reboot to run the latest installed version
[21:27] <sarnold> TomyLobo: our livepatch offering provides some protection against kernel flaws if you can't always reboot into a new kernel package quickly, but we cannot livepatch all flaws, so it's important to reboot periodically even if you're running livepatch
[21:50] <elphias> how do i get to ubuntu offtopic?
[21:50] <jeremy31> elphias: type in chat window /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:50] <elphias> thankies
[23:15] <rafajafar> heyyy is there a problem is 18.04.3-74 because I just updated and now my computer freezes. If I go to 18.04.3-72 everything works again.
[23:15] <jeremy31> rafajafar: what package?
[23:16] <rafajafar> jeremy31, I have no idea.
[23:16] <rafajafar> I just let update do its thang. I boot back and hosed.
[23:16] <jeremy31> rafajafar: kernel?  Check terminal for> uname -r
[23:16] <rafajafar> 4.15.0-72-generic
[23:17] <rafajafar> 74 is the one with problems
[23:17] <Bashing-om> rafajafar: I have seen no issues with the -74 kerenl. Did your kernel fully install ? ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' to see a status.
[23:18] <rafajafar> https://gist.github.com/collincusce/f1751face09579244bcf66c05569d98a
[23:19] <OerHeks> i know that the -72 gives issues .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1856387
[23:19] <rafajafar> let me add some more info, I can't get my wifi to work unless I run a fixmywifi.sh script I made a while back
[23:19] <rafajafar> after each update I need to run it once
[23:20] <OerHeks> you your script does what a DKMS should do ?
[23:20] <rafajafar> this time I booted, got in, ran that, and then it froze. soooo let me send that over sorry for the lack of details before
[23:20] <jeremy31> rafajafar: can you upload that script and post a link?
[23:20] <rafajafar> https://gist.github.com/collincusce/150f5bfad52084f987a2a05f0bfb7299
[23:21] <jeremy31> rafajafar: see the update at the top of this page https://support.killernetworking.com/knowledge-base/killer-ax1650-in-debian-ubuntu-16-04/
[23:23] <DarwinElf> it was bad enough how programs on POSIX-based OSes (not that these with systemd are very POSIX-based) make a mess of your dotfiles.  Now this ridiculous 'snap' program is saving files in my /home/user/snap .  How do I get it to STOP saving files in my home folder and save them in a normal place like /etc ?  I never gave permission for it to save files in my home folder... and it's not even a dotfile?    They didn't even have
[23:23] <DarwinElf> the knowledge to see it should at least be /home/user/.snap ?!
[23:24] <rafajafar> jeremy31, thanks!
[23:24] <rafajafar> jeremy31, before I reboot, is this going to fix -74 as well?
[23:24] <rafajafar> can I boot into that or is there something else I might should be doing
[23:24] <jeremy31> rafajafar: There is a good chance that your wifi won't need it when 20.04 is released
[23:25] <jeremy31> rafajafar: I can't be sure why the 4.15.0-74 kernel has freezes
[23:25] <rafajafar> hot dog, would love to upgrade, however... product we are releasing soon uses 18.04 as the base OS
[23:25] <rafajafar> alrighty well I'm going to give this here reboot a try. Will boot into -72 first, then -74
[23:39] <rafajafar> jeremy31 and Bashing-om bad news, no only did that link not work but now I can't use my other fixmywifi.sh script with any effect. I had to move to another room so I can be wired in. Good news is, -74 doesn't freeze now.
[23:41] <Bashing-om> rafajafar: :) I leave WIFI to the esteemed jeremy31 to address.
[23:43] <rafajafar> jeremy31, I actually filed a ticket a while ago about my wifi probs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1842686
[23:47] <rafajafar> Im going to pull the latest version of the backport lwiwifi
[23:48] <OerHeks> hmm, backport-iwlwifi-dkms is available in Eoan and up..
[23:48] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[23:49] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi
[23:49] <OerHeks> but that requires HWE, i see
[23:49] <OerHeks> so, try !hwe first?
[23:49] <OerHeks> !hwe
[23:50] <pallaf> Where do I find 32 bit package of "gamemode" for Ubuntu 19.10?
[23:51] <OerHeks> 64 bit only, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gamemode
[23:54] <OerHeks> not sure you can build i386 https://github.com/FeralInteractive/gamemode
[23:57] <rafajafar> jeremy31, :-( Soooooooooo I git pulled the latest and there were changes. Ran my fixmywifi.sh script to, well, fix my wifi, and rebooted. Frozen at splash screen again.
[23:58] <rafajafar> so I went into recovery mode
[23:59] <teward> pallaf: no 32bit, 64bit only as OerHeks indicated
[23:59] <rafajafar> I did the standard stuff, checked for packages that were broken, fsck (though that did squat)
[23:59] <rafajafar> and THEN
[23:59] <OerHeks> raf  backport-iwlwifi-dkms is available in Eoan and up..   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[23:59] <rafajafar> I enabled networking... and as soon as I did I got a maaasssiveeee dump


[00:33] <smb_tp> CarlFK, I thought I saw that in one of the messages before. Normally it is not too bad since that only means another clocksource gets selected.
[08:23] <gnomefreak> anyone know if we added/removed support for "intex rtl8139D" nic
[13:43] <CSX_Lappy> smb_tp , das mir reboot klappt :D danke vielmals :D
[13:43] <CSX_Lappy> -r +t
[13:44] <CSX_Lappy> es ist reboot=aw .. oder bessergesagt ich hab nur bw hw und aw getestet, und aw ging, da hab ik nicht noch die andern kombinationen weiter probiert
[13:52] <mjg59> CSX_Lappy: In English?
[13:54] <pwnguin> it looks like german, but i dont recognize "bw hw und aw"
[13:55] <CSX_Lappy> i own a Toshiba Satellite Pro 6050 , wich i don't got to reboot .. only switching off an on helps ... smb_tp said jesterday i should try the kernel boot option reboot with some parameters... now i just thanked him , cause my latop now reboots again :)
[13:55] <CSX_Lappy> it was reboot=aw :D
[13:56] <CSX_Lappy> but i olny tried bw hw and aw ... so i dont know if the others work, i was happy that aw worked and did not want to test further
[13:57] <mjg59> a is acpi, which is becoming the default soon
[13:57] <CSX_Lappy> :)
[13:57] <CSX_Lappy> sounds great :)
[13:57] <CSX_Lappy> now i need to get cpu-throtheling to work
[13:58] <CSX_Lappy> hope it was correct wirtten *g*
[13:58] <mjg59> CSX_Lappy: It's a celeron? The chip doesn't support voltage scaling.
[13:59] <CSX_Lappy> yeah it is... but the speedstep or how it is called worked under xp , so i don't know why not with linux/ubuntu
[14:01] <CSX_Lappy> there must be a "trick" to get it to work :)
[14:01] <mjg59> No, it doesn't
[14:01] <mjg59> It's doing CPU throttling. That doesn't save any power.
[14:01] <mjg59> There's no speedstep support on the Celeron
[14:02] <CSX_Lappy> hmmmmn
[14:02] <zul> BenC: ping the xen64 pvops is working fine so far
[14:02] <CarlFK> mjg59: whats throttling do?
[14:03] <CSX_Lappy> so why i could set it under Win xp ?
[14:03] <mjg59> CarlFK: Asserts the stop line of the processor on a certain percentage of clock cycles
[14:03] <mjg59> The CPU's still clocked at full speed, but it spends a proportion of time doing nothing
[14:04] <mjg59> So at 50% throttling, it takes twice as long to do anything. And it's still taking something like 75% as much power.
[14:04] <CarlFK> mjg59: sounds like that would save power, just not as much
[14:04] <CSX_Lappy> hmmn i thougt i have read 500MHz insted the full 1200MHz in toshiba power-saver (a windows tool wich comes with the toshiba-drivers )
[14:04] <mjg59> CarlFK: No, not overall
[14:05] <mjg59> CarlFK: If the cpu is idle, it saves no power. If it's active, it's now going to take you twice as long to finish the task and you're going to end up using more power to get that task finished
[14:05] <CSX_Lappy> for real?
[14:05] <pwnguin> well, as i understand it, transistors use power when changing states, primarily
[14:05] <mjg59> The only reason it's implemented is to reduce the immediate heat output
[14:06] <mjg59> You trade off long-term power consumption for short-term heat reduction
[14:06] <CSX_Lappy> hmmn.. so why should they make such a feature, when it's useless at the end
[14:06] <pwnguin> mjg59: that sounds like a violation of physics
[14:06] <amitk> CarlFK: most studies say that race-to-idle saves most power. Meaning "finish it as fast as you can and then sleep". Frequency scaling helps for long running processes e.g. video player constantly taking 40% cpu.
[14:06] <mjg59> pwnguin: How?
[14:06] <mjg59> pwnguin: You'll generate more heat in the long run, but it'll be spread out over a longer period of time
[14:06] <mjg59> So your machine doesn't melt
[14:07] <CSX_Lappy> you mean it's only to reduce heat, now to save ppower for later use?
[14:07] <CSX_Lappy> s/now/not
[14:08] <CarlFK> I can see it making the battery last longer in time, which would seem good, which humans like.
[14:09] <CSX_Lappy> i need it only for idle, to have a longer battery-live when i need the power :)
[14:10] <pwnguin> i think mjg's point is that when you're at idle, the reduced clock cycle isn't helping much
[14:10] <CarlFK> i guess the question is: how idel is the box when you aren't asking it to do anything?
[14:10] <amitk> CarlFK: Throttling might inprove battery life a bit only if the processor doesn't support frequency(voltage) scaling. If it does, turn off throttling and use frequency scaling.
[14:10] <CSX_Lappy> with full lcd brightness at 1200 MHz my battery lasts 45 - 50 minutes... reducing brightness makes it lasts 2 - 2,5 hours
[14:11] <pwnguin> CSX_Lappy: a reduced heat will probably help battery longevity. batteries hate heat
[14:11] <pwnguin> which is unfortunate, because laptops make a lot of that
[14:12] <CSX_Lappy> jeah, it gets a bit warm... enough to help out on cold nights in my bet ^^
[14:12] <CSX_Lappy> -t+d
[14:14] <CSX_Lappy> mjg59 do you think i don't need any reducing of the cpu speed?
[14:20] <mjg59> CarlFK: It can make the battery last slightly longer at the expense of you not getting as much done
[14:21] <CarlFK> CSX_Lappy: I think it depends on what you are doing.
[14:21] <mjg59> CSX_Lappy: With a Celeron? No.
[14:21] <mjg59> CSX_Lappy: The non-Celeron chips have voltage scaling, where the voltage is reduced at the same time as the frequency. That actually saves power.
[14:21] <CarlFK> mjg59: right - humans are more likely to notice the battery life than how much they got done in one charge :)
[14:22] <CarlFK> you never hear people express battery life in terms of productivity  (true, but yeah, im basically kidding)
[14:23] <pwnguin> one benefit of reduced heat is reduced need for fans
[14:23] <pwnguin> less heat should lead to a slower battery kill over time
[14:23] <mjg59> pwnguin: No, you're never going to generate enough heat to have any significant impact on the battery
[14:24] <mjg59> Charge cycles are the main determining factor
[14:24] <CSX_Lappy> didn't lasts the battery longer when it's not using the fan all over the time ?
[14:24] <mjg59> Fans consume very little power
[14:24] <CSX_Lappy> ok
[14:24]  * pwnguin didnt realize celerons were so good at not making heat
[14:24] <CSX_Lappy> was just an idea :D
[14:25] <CarlFK> I bet there are some cases where getting less done over time is OK, like watching youtube - guessing it might render fewer frames, so not look as nice, but a 5 min video is still done in 5 min
[14:25] <mjg59> Yeah, that's the only corner case
[14:26] <CarlFK> rendering a web page that you click off of before it is done
[14:26] <CarlFK> that't the other one :)
[14:27] <mjg59> Stuff that will consume as much CPU as possible in order to provide a slightl nicer user experience
[14:35] <CSX_Lappy> like vista xD
[18:38] <zul> is it possible to have the xen-paravirt options built into the kernel? The reason Im asking is that all the documentation I have seen has it built into the kernel
[21:27] <PupUserRedvamp12> I figured this issue may be under kernel
[21:28] <PupUserRedvamp12> right now I am in Puppy Linux but trying to fix my ubuntu- it does not want to shut down..
[21:28] <PupUserRedvamp12> puppy linux shuts down fine
[21:28] <PupUserRedvamp12> can anyone help
[21:29] <PupUserRedvamp12> I would post it in the help forum but last time I had an issue it took 3 days to get one response
[21:31] <PupUserRedvamp12> Or at least can someone direct me to the correct room to ask the question in
[21:36] <CarlFK> smb_tp: yay - no pausing.  tried with highres=off nohz=off first,
[21:36] <CarlFK> taking them off now...
[21:37] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Ok, good. This narrows things down a bit at least.
[21:37] <CarlFK> rats - meant to grab the dmesg..
[21:38] <CarlFK> more rats - it pauses without  highres=off nohz=off first - should I try with just one?
[21:39] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Yeah, maybe. I'd suspect nohz maybe you could try that
[21:41] <CarlFK> booting just to a root prompt with single is good enough, right?
[21:42] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Think this is enough. IIRC the pauses were before (at least some)
[21:43] <CarlFK> good - cuz with -3 X gets cranky and I have to deal with that, then reboot into -2
[21:52] <CarlFK> smb_tp: if nohz=no still paused - want me to try with just highres=off, and do you want the dmesg from all?
[21:54] <smb_tp> CarlFK, Yes, try the other if that doesn't work. From any pause, the dmesg would be interesting if the sysrq stuff gets in. Most interesting would be alt+print+q for the timer list. If that does not work dmesg is not needed since it won't show much


[00:52] <xnox> cpaelzer: is there llvm skew on riscv64? as bpftool needs llvm which might be still building on riscv or some such?
[00:53] <xnox> possibly worth a ping to arighi / paulo on ubuntu-kernel here, or on matrix kernel chanel
[11:50] <slyon> @pilot in
[13:34] <ahasenack> I'm really starting to dislike jupyter-* packages
[13:36] <ahasenack> fix one thing, another one pops up
[13:50] <ahasenack> amd64 builders are, er, loaded?
[13:50] <ahasenack> "start in 35min"
[14:01] <slyon> sudip: Hey! I'm currently looking at your proposed lptools merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~sudipmuk/ubuntu/+source/lptools/+git/lptools/+merge/460236, can you explain why you changed the Recommends/Depends in d/control?
[14:02] <sudip> slyon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lptools/+bug/2052680/comments/1
[14:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052680 in lptools (Ubuntu) "Please merge lptools 0.3.0 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:04] <slyon> sudip: oh thanks! I missed the linked bug report :)
[14:05] <sudip> :)
[15:24] <dbungert> ahasenack: I am 3 bugfixes deep trying to get jupyter-notebook to migrate.  Are you working on LP: #2054342 ?  I think the proposal to "limit jupyter-client to < 8" should be seriously considered.
[15:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2054342 in jupyter-notebook (Ubuntu) "FTBFS (test failure) with jupyter-client >= 8" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054342
[15:28] <slyon> sudip: Can you please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digimend-dkms/+bug/2052708/comments/4 ?
[15:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052708 in digimend-dkms (Ubuntu Jammy) "[SRU] digimend-dkms 10-4: digimend kernel module failed to build" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[15:31]  * sudip looks
[15:35] <flag> any AA around?
[15:36] <ppisati> we need a cleanup: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2054439
[15:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2054439 in linux (Ubuntu Noble) "RM obsolete binaries from noble to allow linux to migrate" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[15:36] <ppisati> (on behalf of the kernel team)
[15:37] <sudip> slyon: replied to your comment.
[15:51] <ahasenack> dbungert: I am attempting to fix the dep8 test failure with jupyter-client 7.9.x, it now passws locally, just checking a ppa
[15:52] <ahasenack> dbungert: if that passes, we can give vorlon the go-ahead to remove jupyter-client 8.6.x from noble-proposed
[15:52] <ahasenack> and re-upload a new 7.9.x with the dep8 fix
[15:52] <dbungert> +1
[15:53] <ahasenack> I even tried a jupyter-core patch yesterday, for the jupyter-notebook ftbfs, but that didn't help
[16:00] <lvoytek> @pilot in
[16:10] <slyon> sudip: thx! sponsored
[16:11] <slyon> @pilot out
[16:13]  * slyon passing on the torch to lvoytek
[16:36] <sudip> thanks slyon
[16:54] <ahasenack> dbungert: vorlon I have jupyter-client 7.4.9-2ubuntu1 passing dep8 in noble<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with patch https://git.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/jupyter-client/commit/?id=8bc7ee5cf88d831f54c625d32abd00e87de3ff69
[16:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Commit 8bc7ee5 in ~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/jupyter-client "* d/p/ignore-datetime-warnings.patch: with python 3.12, some datetime"
[16:54] <ahasenack> it's ignoring the deprecated datetime usage from python-datetime
[16:55] <ahasenack> I figured we can update python-datetime after the python transition is done. Or I could fix python-datetime now, I juse fear it could cause a massive amount of retesting (haven't checked)
[16:55] <ahasenack> branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/jupyter-client/+git/jupyter-client/+ref/jupyter-client-749-deprecated-utcnow
[16:56] <ahasenack> doko: are you ok with removing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jupyter-client/8.6.0-0ubuntu1 from noble-proposed? You were the one who uploaded it, ahead of debian. We have exhausted our options to fix jupyter-notebook, it just doesn't work with jupyter-client >= 8.x (upstream ack'ed the breakage)
[16:57] <dbungert> ahasenack: that looks like a good plan, nice work
[16:59] <ahasenack> we just need an AA now :)
[17:02] <ahasenack> ...and for that, I should be in the right channel
[18:00] <lvoytek> sudip: I see your debdiff for LP: #2026760 for the no-change rebuild and the description look good. My only note is that for the version, since there are no changes (other than maintainer) you can just increase the build# rather than -3ubuntu0.1. So in this case it would be 4.1.0-3build2. If you'd like though I can sponsor the change and just update the #
[18:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2026760 in wrk (Ubuntu Mantic) "[SRU] wrk fails to run" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2026760
[18:18] <ahasenack> dbungert: have you looked at ansible by any chance?
[18:18] <ahasenack> I saw a good dep8 test recently, with 9.2.0, but didn't manage to replicate it
[18:19] <ahasenack> I'll look at  libapache2-mod-python/<IP_ADDRESS>-1build1, I remember working on it in the past
[18:21] <doko> ahasenack: mkukri was working on the latter. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache2-mod-python/+bug/2054133 maybe just sponsor that?
[18:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2054133 in libapache2-mod-python (Ubuntu Noble) "Running with Python 3.12 failed because imp was removed." [Undecided, In Progress]
[18:21]  * ahasenack checks
[18:21] <dbungert> ahasenack: negative, schopin may have though
[18:23] <ahasenack> it's still being reviewed by upstream
[19:26] <sudip> lvoytek: yes, please. I was in doubt about the version but since SRU wiki says to do ubuntu0.1 so I just followed that
[19:33] <lvoytek> Alright, updated and sponsored
[19:52] <sudip> thanks lvoytek
[19:54] <lvoytek> sure thing
[19:58] <ahasenack> dbungert: [ubuntu/noble-proposed] jupyter-client 7.4.9-2ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[19:58] <sergiodj> juliank: hi, a few days ago you mentioned that the Noble chroot problem reported by tjaalton had been fixed by gnupg2/2.4.4-2ubuntu3, but I'm still seeing the error (and postfix being installed)
[19:58] <dbungert> :tada:
[19:59] <dbungert> ahasenack: I'm clicking the rebuild button on jupyter-notebook
[19:59] <ahasenack> dbungert: hold, we need it to be published first
[19:59] <dbungert> k
[19:59] <sergiodj> juliank: I'm going to remove gpg meanwhile
[19:59] <juliank> sergiodj: Are you bootstrapping it from scratch?
[20:00] <sergiodj> yes
[20:00] <juliank> sergiodj: Upgrades will continue to see the issue, but fresh bootstraps should not pull in gpg-wks-server anymore
[20:00] <lvoytek> @pilot out
[20:00] <sergiodj> juliank: I did a bootstrap from scratch and could reproduce the problem
[20:01] <sergiodj> removing gnupg from the schroot fixed the issue for now
[20:01] <juliank> sergiodj: How did you bootstrap with gnupg from proposed without installing the one in the release pocket first?
[20:01] <juliank> The one in the release pocket still depends on gpg-wks-server
[20:02] <juliank> the release pocket gpg-wks-server does not depend on mail-transport-agent though
[20:02] <juliank> so you can get mail-transport-agent by installing the release pocket first and then upgrading
[20:03] <juliank> Or something else pulling in mail-transport-agent :)
[20:03] <sergiodj> I haven't debugged it much further, but you're probably right in that mk-sbuild only enables -proposed after the initial bootstrap
[20:03] <juliank> gnupg2 should migrate any britney run now
[20:03] <sergiodj> I'll give it a try after gnupg migrates
[20:38] <ahasenack> dbungert: you can click that button now, the new jupyter-client is published
[20:43] <ahasenack> the current rebuild still used client 8.6.0
[20:43] <ahasenack> I'll click again
[20:49] <dbungert> ahasenack: debating an explicit upload on jupyter-notebook with a <8 dep on jupyter-client
[20:50] <ahasenack> unsure, but wouldn't be wrong
[20:50] <ahasenack> there is a >= already
[20:50] <ahasenack>                python3-jupyter-client (>= 5.3.4) <!nocheck>,
[21:03] <dbungert> ahasenack: build button spam success, jupyter-notebook built this time
[21:04] <ahasenack> hooray
[23:02] <dbungert> teward: maybe we should bring this to this channel.  re bios boot of the live-server candidate, I'm able to see the grub menu and "HWE kernel" entry on bios boot, is it possible the menu went by too fast?
[23:03] <teward> no, it didn't pass me up i'll reload and see if it was a bug but it didn't show HWE Kernel
[23:03] <teward> i'm finishing up UEFI now and then going to drop aother VM up to test again
[23:06] <teward> dbungert: ok it's there, but i could have sworn i saw an extra option on UEFI and the naming is inconsistent on both
[23:06] <teward> i'll dig back later, but it looks like that could've been because tiny-screen
[23:06] <teward> (4k resolution)
[23:07] <teward> (with small VM screen)
[23:08]  * tsimonq2 sends teward to fix All 4k screens
[23:08] <dbungert> there is a difference between uefi and bios boots, bios boot has "test memory" and uefi has "boot from next volume" and "uefi firmware settings"
[23:08]  * teward pushes @tsimonq2 into the abyss of Windows 3.1 disks.
[23:10] <dbungert> cruel and unusual
[23:13] <tsimonq2> friendly banter between friends :D
[23:17] <teward> but still cruel that i tossed Simon into the abyss of 3.1 disks xD


[01:38] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk: was preoccupied, I shouldn’t have even tried.
[01:39] <Eickmeyer> And this client has no tab complete. Friggin’ phone...
[05:21] <hellocasper> good morning
[05:31] <OvenWerks> g'nite all  ;0
[05:34] <hellocasper> g'night OvenWerks
[05:34] <hellocasper> when you have the time spare, could you tell me how i could build Ubuntu Studio from the seeds file, thanks
[06:28] <hellocasper> i'll be back in a bit, cya o/
[09:16] <hellocasper> hi o/
[14:49] <OvenWerks> hellocasper: just wait, our seeds get built every day.
[14:49] <hellocasper> OvenWerks: sure thing :)
[14:51] <OvenWerks> https://sites.google.com/a/mythbuntu.org/website/development/developer-cheatsheet
[14:53] <OvenWerks> quite honestly, I did try one time to make an ISO on my own machine using some of the tools about and I got to a point but could not figure out the whole.
[14:56] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/netson/ubuntu-unattended
[14:56] <OvenWerks> I am not sure if any of these is the official one.
[15:12] <hellocasper> thanks
[15:17] <hellocasper> i'm not sure if this is a bug, but when i plugged my printer in, my printer automatically installed which i expected, but also a dialogue box appeared saying additional drivers required, i pressed the button which said to "find in software" but of course it didn't find anything, i'm not sure why this dialogue appeared, but my printer installed fine
[15:19] <hellocasper> i guess that would be more of an "Ubuntu" bug?
[15:25] <OvenWerks> yes. That would be a part of cups
[15:25] <OvenWerks> ubuntu_bug cups would create a bug report for cups
[15:26] <OvenWerks> In general, if there is a bug that seems to point to a package: ubuntu_bug <package name> is the best way to go.
[15:38] <hellocasper> thanks
[18:18] <lil_ornis> Hello again
[18:18] <lil_ornis> I have finally subscribed to the mailing list
[18:19] <lil_ornis> We spoke two days ago
[18:19] <lil_ornis> You told me that I could be helpful in testing
[18:19] <lil_ornis> What do I have to do now?


[08:26] <src2206> hello, I would like to use Edubuntu as Live CD/DVD. But unfortunately I could not understand exactly which one should I download. I would prefer a DVD
[08:26] <src2206> could someone please help me ?
[08:40] <src2206> btw, I have visited the edubuntu  download page but could not ascertain which one will exactly serve my purpose
[22:59] <{ovijac}> Hello
[23:00] <{ovijac}> Is anyone here using Edubuntu on a VMware VM?


[20:15] <wolverineav> hi, quick question - i have some old scripts that do 'update-rc.d <service-name> disable' to disable the service to come up after reboot. i can't find a similar command in initctl