[12:26] <bulio> I've tried it a while ago, and it crashed at the desktop a lot of times
[12:26] <TheSheep> bulio: never had a crash not caused by my own tinkering
[12:26] <TheSheep> bulio: it's fixed since feisty
[12:27] <bulio> oh, ok
[12:27] <TheSheep> bulio: edgy and dapper used beta vesions of xgce
[12:28] <bulio> it should be a step up from XP
[12:28] <bulio> which is kind of laggy after 4 months install
[12:29] <bulio> I guess I'll need to convert my storage partition from NTFS to Fat32?
[12:29] <TheSheep> bulio: better to ext3
[12:30] <bulio> can I do that without losing data?
[12:30] <Ktron> TheSheep: yeah, ext3 or one of the newer ones
[12:30] <TheSheep> bulio: I don't know
[12:30] <Ktron> bulio: what I just said to TheSheep
[12:30] <TheSheep> bulio: probably not
[12:30] <Ktron> bulio: you can convert to NTFS to Fat32 directly without losing data?
[12:31] <bulio> yeah
[12:31] <Ktron> bulio: probably better to repartition and move what you want over, and then ultimately delete the old partition and make the new one full size
[12:32] <TheSheep> bulio: if you can do that, then better stick to fat
[12:32] <bulio> so resize my 80GB partition (32GB used) into a 50GB, transfer stuff over, then delete the old partition and convert it to ext3 too?
[12:32] <TheSheep> bulio: at least it works and you know how to handle it
[12:32] <Ktron> bulio: If you're comfortable with that, yes
[12:32] <Ktron> bulio: ext3 will be better than fat32
[12:33] <TheSheep> bulio: resizing partitions can fail and destroy the data
[12:33] <TheSheep> Ktron: not much
[12:33] <Ktron> Never lost data resizing....
[12:33] <Ktron> ntfsresize is pretty reliable
[12:33] <TheSheep> Ktron: ever read its license?
[12:33] <bulio> I'll give it a try
[12:33] <bulio> I'm using partitionmagic 8.0 on windows
[12:34] <Ktron> bulio: anyway, at the end you can resize the 50gb to take the full 80gb, or if you prefer, keep them separate
[12:34] <TheSheep> bulio: but you will need additional driver yo trad ext2/3 in windows
[12:34] <Ktron> bulio: partitionmagic should have no problem resizing, and there's one built in to the *buntu installer too
[12:34] <TheSheep> to read
[12:34] <TheSheep> *
[12:34] <Ktron> TheSheep: he's replacing windows xp (right?)
[12:35] <Ktron> TheSheep: he won't need to ever use windows to read ext3
[12:35] <TheSheep> ah, in that case ext is better :)
[12:35] <TheSheep> good night, good luck
[12:36] <Ktron> bulio: I usually go the partitioning route, simply because it means I keep what I want/need
[12:37] <ceil420> Can't FUCK wit' {uX} when we're blazed XD http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4686/shot0012uk7.png
[12:37] <Ktron> bulio: plus, you probably don't want to keep exactly the same directory structure
[12:38] <bulio> what do you mean, Ktron?
[12:38] <Ktron> ceil420: they almost did
[12:38] <ceil420> lol
[12:38] <bulio> right now, I have windows xp on a 20GB partition, and all my data on a 90GB partition
[12:39] <bulio> the 90GB partition is NTFS
[12:39] <Ktron> So, if you're trying to keep old data, you probably have old data in like, C:\Documents and Settings\username\My Documents\My Music\ etc
[12:39] <bulio> yeah
[12:39] <bulio> no
[12:39] <bulio> its in E:\
[12:39] <Ktron> bulio: oh, I got it
[12:39] <Ktron> bulio: that's better practice
[12:39] <bulio> so like E:\Music
[12:39] <Ktron> bulio: and you just want to replace the windows xp bit, right?
[12:39] <bulio> the C:\ drive is only for programs and windows itself
[12:40] <bulio> ^^yeah
[12:40] <bulio> but Linux doesn't work with ntfs too well
[12:40] <bulio> which is the filsystem of E:\
[12:40] <Ktron> You should be able to mount ntfs for r/w like that I think...
[12:41] <bulio> with ntfs-3g?
[12:41] <Ktron> I don't think linux likes installing into ntfs, but I don't think you're likely to run into problems using ntfs for your storage
[12:42] <Ktron> bulio: I'm really not sure
[12:42] <bulio> well, I'll convert it to FAT32 to be safe
[12:42] <bulio> thanks for the help, I'll be back later
[12:42] <Ktron> bulio: I know that I've happily mounted and worked with ntfs partitions (and played music off of them and movies) from the livecd
[12:57] <Jester45>  i think you can run linux from ntfs, becuase there is a way to install linux in windows by making a file that contains all the linux stuff. kinda like a windows swap file
[01:10] <aliasrush> can two different Linux partitions share the same home partition with the same users?
[01:10] <test31> does ne1 have exp w/ CUPS?   im getting this error when i use gnome-cups-manager
[01:10] <test31> (gnome-printer-view:6878): WARNING **: Two ppds have driver == 'PS, 1.1'
[01:11] <Ktron> aliasrush: I can't see why not
[01:11] <test31> then it is complaining:  /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[01:11] <Ktron> aliasrush: They'll just have to share settings
[01:14] <bart_17> heya grazie
[01:17] <Jester45> aliasrush, yea it can use the same. whats the problem? if you can read the data but not write try as root
[01:30] <cjae_> Ok I have a huge problem my onboard ethernet (intelpro100) died or appears to have died so I replaced with an smc 10/100 pci nic
[01:30] <cjae_> the nic has a realtek chip in it so the 8139too module works but now my xservers are messed up
[01:32] <cjae_> I have two screens with an nvidia card one is tv out svideo and the other is a normal 15 " crt
[01:33] <cjae_> I now only have the monitor but it has the tvout screen settings and nothing else, wt*
[01:33] <cjae_> ??
[01:33] <cjae_> Is the nic possibly using the same nic as the agp card??
[01:34] <cjae_> that should say same irq as card
[01:35] <cjae_> how can that even affect each other
[01:37] <cjae_> I have not changed anything else that I am aware of
[01:37] <cjae_> I unloaded the e100 module as well
[01:41] <cjae_> hello
[01:46] <BFTD> I accidentally pinged my router 25000 times
[01:50] <vidd> BFTD, dont that like kill your preformance?
[01:50] <BFTD> vidd yeah it would if I was home at the time using it
[01:50] <vidd> ah...so not so bad then?
[02:09] <cjae_> anyone see my problem
[03:06] <cjae_> ok fsck fails on my /dev/sdb1 /home partition at boot so I may only log in as root can anyone help with this
[03:07] <cjae_> the fs is ext3
[03:32] <cjae_> anyone here
[03:47] <C|-|R15> has anyone used new xubuntu feisty fawn on a sony vaio laptop?
[03:48] <C|-|R15> does it have drivers that will detect the mouse pad correctly?
[03:51] <vidd> ok...nevermind then
[04:01] <bulio> Just installed xubuntu, its really nice!
[04:02] <bulio> gonna take some getting used to though, I usually use XP at home
[04:02] <bulio> and Linux for servers
[04:42] <cjae_> fsck 1.40-WIP fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve `UUID= xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx` fsck died with exit status 8
[04:50] <jordansdad253> hello all
[04:52] <jordansdad253> can anyone please tell me how i would go about forwarding ports in xubuntu?
[05:48] <artabrahao>  what is the mc packag name?
[06:13] <curiogeo> looking for printing support through CUPS on a brother network printer,  CUPS can see and print to the USB printer locally but network printing is failing
[06:14] <curiogeo> has anyone seen this in their own setup
[06:16] <kiosk> my menu bar is gone - (help)
[06:17] <BFTD> kiosk alt-F2
[06:17] <BFTD> and then enter in xfce4-panel
[06:17] <kiosk> yep thats how I am surviving
[06:17] <kiosk> But how can I get menu back?
[06:18] <BFTD> you see the bar?
[06:18] <BFTD> right click and then add new item
[06:18] <kiosk> Alt-F2 brings me the run program
[06:18] <kiosk> dialog
[06:18] <BFTD> it'll be in that list that pops up
[06:18] <BFTD> kiosk right
[06:19] <kiosk> hey it's back
[06:19] <kiosk> thanks
[06:19] <kiosk> will it start up on boot?
[06:20] <BFTD> it should, sometimes on the first start up it doesn't work
[06:20] <BFTD> its happened a few times to me
[06:20] <Jester45> logout and back in
[06:20] <kiosk> does it add itself to rc.d somewhere?
[06:20] <Jester45> that should save the session then it should auto start
[06:20] <vidd> my proftp server just got stupid and "forgot" all my user's passwords....
[06:21] <vidd> anyone know where i should look for what might be causing this?
[06:21] <kiosk> will rescue broken system loose my data and installed packages
[06:22] <vidd> i know that the passwords are right cuzz i just re-entered them
[06:23] <Jester45> vidd, is it just ftp or more (and i hanve gotten a drink yet, wikipedia sucked me in again)
[06:23] <vidd> so far as i can tell...just ftp
[06:24] <Jester45> well.. i did just ssh in so duh on me
[06:24] <vidd> all my log files are compressed...so i need to ftp them....oooppss...cant do that....
[06:25] <BFTD> hrm
[06:25] <Jester45> wget them
[06:25] <Jester45> humm
[06:25] <Jester45> uncompress server side, where they at
[06:26] <vidd> last time i did that it corrupted the logs....
[06:26] <vidd> the config files look right....
[06:28] <vidd> the only change i made was to fix the server's dns server list  (/etc/resolv.cong) and reboot
[06:28] <Jester45> try unfixing
[06:33] <Jester45> why do you kill the server?
[06:35] <vidd> yes
[06:35] <artabrahao> what it the command to descopact with tar keepping the directory estructure?
[06:50] <xjkx> it runs a fsck check every single damn boot, can i unset it?
[06:52] <Pumpernickel> Are you shutting down cleanly?
[06:54] <xjkx> Yea, sometimes it freezes when reboot
[06:54] <xjkx> :>
[06:54] <xjkx> but it happens everytime
[06:54] <xjkx> Even when its ok
[06:55] <xjkx> I think my video card isnt compatible, when i try to logoff, reboot, or anything from X i get a big time of freeze until reboot
[06:55] <xjkx> or logoff
[06:55] <xjkx> But now I am doing reboot from alt+f1, which isnt freezing
[06:55] <xjkx> Anyway...your system doesnt make fsck check every boot? thats strange
[06:56] <Pumpernickel> Nope, only every 30.
[06:57] <Pumpernickel> Is there a file called 'forcefsck' in /?
[06:59] <xjkx> no, but there is lost+found
[06:59] <xjkx> lost+found is empty anyway
[07:04] <Pumpernickel> bug 63175
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63175 in e2fsprogs "Edgy Beta -- fsck on every (re)boot" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63175
[07:07] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, you good at bug finding
[07:33] <Jester45> how do you take screen shots from cli
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[07:33] <Jester45> we need a op
[07:40] <battra> Hi, I'm trying to get mplayerplug-in to work on Xubuntu Edgy Eft, but the noembed=1 option in the conf file is being ignored.  Any ideas?
[07:40] <battra> When setting noembed=1, the plugin does not launch an external frame.
[08:04] <battra> Anyone know how to get mplayerplug-in working?
[08:04] <Catoptromancy> what kind of files do you want?
[08:04] <Catoptromancy> to play
[08:04] <battra> Streaming video from CNN.
[08:05] <battra> Downloaded wmv works fine.
[08:05] <battra> It's just streaming that's not working.
[08:05] <Catoptromancy> i got something
[08:06] <battra> In other distros, I usually set the noembed=1 option in mplayerplug-in, but the noembed=1 is being ignored in xubuntu edgy for some reason.
[08:06] <Catoptromancy> you missing libs?
[08:06] <Catoptromancy> I got a list
[08:07] <battra> Have the libs (e.g. w32 codecs).
[08:07] <battra> standalone mplayer works fine.
[08:07] <Catoptromancy> gstreamer?
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> I got a list of libs that can watch everything ive tried
[08:08] <battra> are you using totem or mplayer?
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> zfmedia
[08:08] <Catoptromancy> xfmedia
[08:09] <Catoptromancy> but it makes install totem for divx
[08:09] <Catoptromancy> but zfmedia still plays divx nicer
[08:09] <Catoptromancy> err
[08:09] <battra> hmm, interesting.
[08:09] <battra> how does it play streaming video through firefox?
[08:09] <Catoptromancy> I forgot how I did it
[08:09] <Catoptromancy> i tried again and it didnt work heh
[08:09] <battra> oh
[08:10] <Catoptromancy> but I know I watched some divx in xfmdeia
[08:10] <Catoptromancy> gotta get link and paste in open url
[08:10] <battra> Yeah, it's just streaming that's not working on my box.  Just trying to watch cnn.com videos.
[08:11] <battra> the audio works, but no video.
[08:11] <Catoptromancy> missing libs
[08:11] <Catoptromancy> I dont know if you need all these but I dont think it would hurt
[08:11] <Catoptromancy> gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs totem-xine
[08:12] <Catoptromancy> I can watch everything ive tried
[08:12] <battra> cool, thanks.
[08:12] <battra> So, are you able to watch videos on cnn.com?  Or is that not working for you, too?
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> umm im actually in windows right now
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> and cant reboot
[08:13] <Catoptromancy> well shouldnt heh
[08:13] <battra> Oh, I gotcha.
[08:14] <battra> thanks.
[08:19] <Catoptromancy> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:19] <Catoptromancy> heres another lib that was in my mix
[08:19] <Catoptromancy> I made a script that auto installs every program and lib I need auto
[08:19] <Catoptromancy> for next clean install
[08:19] <Catoptromancy> heh
[08:20] <battra> nice
[08:23] <Catoptromancy> xchat and pysol I do seperate
[08:23] <Catoptromancy> so I can chat and play solitaire while I wait the 2 hours top install the rest
[08:26] <Pumpernickel> battra: Do you have embed or noembed specifiec in mozpluggerrc?
[08:26] <Pumpernickel> s/specifiec/specified/
[08:27] <battra> I have noembed=1, but it's being ignored by the plugin.
[08:28] <battra> Also, it's specified in the file /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf.
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> heh in xubuntu only 3 people have spoken in 10 minutes
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> arr too many channels
[08:28] <battra> To get streaming working in the past on Linux, I usually only  have to set noembed=1 and it works.  But noembed=1 is being ignored.
[08:29] <Pumpernickel> mozpluggerrc shouldn't require the =1 syntax.
[08:30] <battra> The plugin package I'm using is mozilla-mplayer.  It sounds like mozplugger is something different?
[08:31] <battra> =1 syntax is specified in the default conf file in mozilla=mplayer package.
[08:32] <battra> what is mozplugger?
[08:32] <battra> can't find it in repo (including universe and multiverse)
[08:33] <battra> sorry found it
[08:33] <battra> hmm, let me try this instead of mplayerplug-in.  Thanks.
[08:38] <Pumpernickel> I have to go, but this may be a useful reference: http://mozplugger.mozdev.org/
[08:38] <Pumpernickel> Second item in the 'notes' section.
[08:41] <battra> Thanks pumbernickel
[10:15] <kick52> hello
[10:15] <kick52> is there a way to find out about the ram in my machine?
[10:49] <tomboy64> hi guys.
[10:50] <tomboy64> could someone tell me if the qt-libs are available on the xubuntu live-cd?
[10:50] <tomboy64> and if so, in version 4?
[11:32] <Gerro> xub xub! :)
[12:06] <Deepshock> Hey fellas, anyone awke?
[12:53] <AlexC> HELP
[12:53] <AlexC> not good!!!!!
[12:54] <AlexC> i was messing with bios settings and.....
[12:54] <AlexC> now it won't start
[12:54] <AlexC> at all
[12:54] <AlexC> not even into bios
[12:57] <totalwormage> AlexC: well, you can always reset your cmos
[12:57] <totalwormage> if you don't mind that things are reset to default settings
[12:58] <Gerro> AlexC: pop open the hood and pull the battery while its powered off
[12:58] <totalwormage> yeah or use the jumper saying cmos, hit your powerbutten, switch the jumber again and boot :]
[12:59] <AlexC> how do i do that?
[01:00] <totalwormage> AlexC: open up your case
[01:00] <AlexC> dohne
[01:00] <AlexC> done
[01:00] <totalwormage> look for a jumper, it will say cmos
[01:00] <totalwormage> and is awfully small :p
[01:00] <AlexC> i'll look
[01:00] <AlexC> brb
[01:01] <Gerro> AlexC: what were you doing to bios anyway?
[01:01] <Gerro> both laptop I use and my brothers use pheonix bios and display the same bug message on boot
[01:01] <Gerro> i was thinking about looking into it and perhaps trying to reflash a better bios
[01:02] <AlexC> yeah, it's pheonix
[01:02] <AlexC> *award bios
[01:02] <AlexC> where would the jumper be?
[01:02] <AlexC> it's a late 90's mainboard
[01:03] <AlexC> AMD Duron
[01:03] <AlexC> (my bios is pheonix)
[01:04] <Gerro> yeah he uses an amd turion64
[01:04] <totalwormage> AlexC: i don't know :]  if you know your exact motherboard type, you can googled for it
[01:04] <AlexC> where do i find that name of my mainboard?
[01:04] <Gerro> AlexC: if you don't know the model try looking for print written on it
[01:05] <AlexC> i have
[01:05] <AlexC> it uses SD RAM
[01:05] <AlexC> it's not a standard computer made by a company
[01:05] <AlexC> it's a custom made one
[01:06] <AlexC> i'll have another look, brb
[01:06] <Gerro> AlexC: I doubt anyone custom made their motherboard
[01:06] <Gerro> might be modded a bit but still that's hard work
[01:08] <AlexC> i can't find name
[01:08] <AlexC> or cmos switch
[01:09] <AlexC> what is the name like?
[01:11] <Gerro> give me a sec I'll show you some pics
[01:11] <Gerro> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=cmos&btnG=Search+Images take that out
[01:12] <Gerro> see its the round thing
[01:14] <AlexC> i have one of those batteries
[01:14] <AlexC> \i'll look around that
[01:14] <Gerro> that is what he meant by a "release" button for the cmos (battery thing)
[01:16] <AlexC> do i have to take that out?
[01:20] <Gerro> yes
[01:20] <Gerro> and make sure the computer is not plugged into anything
[01:20] <AlexC> how do i take it out
[01:20] <AlexC> i tried
[01:20] <Gerro> you look for a "release" mechanism
[01:23] <AlexC> there is a tabby thing
[01:23] <AlexC> i pull it but it's kinda hard
[01:24] <AlexC> and i don't know how to take it out
[01:27] <zoidberg> guys
[01:27] <zoidberg> is anyone here
[01:27] <zoidberg> i have a question
[01:27] <AlexC> shoot
[01:29] <zoidberg> so i have this old G3 powerbook with 64 mb ram
[01:29] <zoidberg> lol
[01:29] <AlexC> mhm
[01:29] <zoidberg> i had been running xubuntu breezy on it quite well actually
[01:29] <zoidberg> it was a lil slow but it ran fine
[01:30] <zoidberg> recently breezy was not supported anymore
[01:30] <zoidberg> i couldnt donwload some new packages that i wanted
[01:30] <zoidberg> to i decided to upgrade to dapper or edgy
[01:30] <zoidberg> tried dapper
[01:30] <zoidberg> first through terminal
[01:30] <zoidberg> i've done this several times on my ubuntu pc
[01:30] <zoidberg> but it didn't work
[01:31] <zoidberg> then i used this breezy poerpc alternate cd to install it from scratch
[01:31] <zoidberg> and well not all pacakges got installed
[01:31] <zoidberg> i dont think the installation was complete
[01:31] <zoidberg> anywas
[01:31] <zoidberg> i had to skip a few steps in the installation process because not all the packages were there
[01:31] <zoidberg> now i reboot
[01:31] <zoidberg> and xubuntu starts
[01:31] <zoidberg> but there is no gui
[01:32] <zoidberg> i just get a console
[01:32] <zoidberg> ?
[01:32] <zoidberg> can u help me
[01:32] <zoidberg> does this mean that i dont have the xfce desktop installed?
[01:32] <AlexC> it would seem so
[01:32] <ghata1> Hi, my sound has vanished all of a sudden, audio players report that audio plugin do not work. same with every other application. What has gone wrong ?
[01:32] <AlexC> are there any error messages?
[01:33] <AlexC> zoidberg: error messages?
[01:33] <zoidberg> no not on reboot
[01:34] <zoidberg> it just boots to a console
[01:34] <AlexC> hmmm
[01:34] <zoidberg> i think the installation was alright
[01:34] <zoidberg> but not complete
[01:34] <AlexC> that makes me think X was not installed at all
[01:34] <AlexC> type : sudo startx
[01:35] <zoidberg> AlexC, its STARTING!!!
[01:35] <zoidberg> hold on
[01:35] <zoidberg> let me see what happens
[01:36] <zoidberg> okay
[01:36] <zoidberg> the xfce lil mous on a wheel thing was loading
[01:36] <AlexC> started?
[01:36] <zoidberg> but then i get this X mouse cursor and nothing
[01:36] <zoidberg> so i dont think it is installed
[01:36] <zoidberg> can i install it from the alternate cd i have?
[01:37] <AlexC> i only know how to on a gui
[01:37] <AlexC> you need to put the cd into sources.list
[01:37] <AlexC> umm
[01:38] <AlexC> i think it's /etc/apt/sources.list or something
[01:39] <AlexC> i can't remember
[01:39] <AlexC> cd /etc/apt
[01:39] <AlexC> nano sources.list
[01:39] <AlexC> Gerro: i can't get the battery out
[01:40] <zoidberg> AlexC, the sources.list only has the cd line
[01:41] <AlexC> ghata1: are there multiple processes of esd?
[01:41] <AlexC> zoidberg: what does it say?
[01:42] <zoidberg> hey AlexC ,
[01:42] <zoidberg> it just started
[01:42] <zoidberg> i just let it set for a while but it started
[01:42] <zoidberg> how can i get it to start x on boot?
[01:42] <AlexC> applications>system>services
[01:42] <AlexC> tick gdm
[01:43] <AlexC> that's what i did in edgy
[01:45] <zoidberg> AlexC, i went to applications>system>services but there is no gdm option to tick?
[01:45] <AlexC> o.0
[01:45] <AlexC> when X started
[01:45] <AlexC> did it go to a login screen?
[01:46] <zoidberg> no
[01:46] <zoidberg> i started x from the console so i was already logged in
[01:48] <AlexC> your problem is that gdm wasn't installed
[01:48] <AlexC> and therefore it goes to a console login screen
[01:50] <zoidberg> okay
[01:51] <AlexC> what kind of internet connection do you have?
[01:51] <ghata1> AlexC: there is no esd process running, ps -ef | grep esd reveals nothing
[01:52] <AlexC> look in ps -e
[01:53] <AlexC> i guess that would have same result
[01:55] <ghata1> yea
[01:56] <AlexC> sudo asoundconf list
[01:57] <AlexC> i don't know if that will help
[01:58] <zoidberg> hey AlexC
[01:58] <zoidberg> do u have a copy of your source.list....there is nothing in mine
[01:58] <zoidberg> i'm going to try to update iot
[01:59] <AlexC> my computer won't boot
[01:59] <AlexC> that's why i'm in here
[01:59] <zoidberg> whats wrong with ure computer AlexC
[01:59] <AlexC> i messed with bios settings
[02:03] <AlexC> not good
[02:03] <AlexC> very not good
[02:04] <AlexC> i was trying to remove the battery and i broke something
[02:04] <AlexC> i hope it still works
[02:04] <AlexC> gerro
[02:04] <Gerro> yeah?
[02:05] <AlexC> >	i was trying to remove the battery and i broke something
[02:05] <Gerro> hopefully it was just the clamp holding the battery
[02:05] <AlexC> the battery is still in there
[02:05] <AlexC> i was using a flat head screw driver
[02:05] <Gerro> you might want to get someone more knowledgable with the thing to have a look at it
[02:06] <AlexC> yeah
[02:06] <AlexC> but it's public holiday tomorrow
[02:06] <Gerro> AlexC: ouch hope you didn't scrape anything either
[02:07] <AlexC> i accidently hit the graphics card a few times
[02:07] <AlexC> but no damage other than the battery holding thing
[02:11] <zoidberg> its a public holiday tommorrow?
[02:11] <zoidberg> why
[02:14] <AlexC> in australia
[02:14] <AlexC> gerro, fixed
[02:15] <AlexC> gerro, i had to pry it the other way
[02:15] <AlexC> lol
[02:15] <AlexC> it still seems to work
[02:15] <AlexC> exept all the settings are default
[02:20] <AlexC> and it doesn't boot a OS
[02:20] <AlexC> o.o
[02:20] <AlexC> how do i setup the bios to boot xubuntu
[02:20] <AlexC> or grub
[02:20] <AlexC> yeah, grub
[02:26] <Gerro> configure it?
[02:26] <Gerro> I don't know its your bios
[02:26] <Gerro> lol
[02:27] <Gerro> AlexC: sorry I'm a bit spacing out starting at this download someone recommended on another channel
[02:29] <AlexC> heh
[02:30] <AlexC> #grub isn't being very helpful
[02:31] <AlexC> my bios hurts my feelings
[02:49] <Gerro> AlexC: hmm so you set it to boot from hard drive right?
[02:49] <Gerro> ah darn they left
[03:02] <ghata1>  I have made some progress, reboot did not fix the problem, however i was not memeber of admin group, after adding myself to that group I can now execute applications using sudo, If i start something using sudo, it works fine, sounds works fine. But nothing works if i try it as my normal user. Looks like something to do with permissions
[03:03] <ghata1> help please
[03:04] <kumamoto> when u say nothing works what exactly is 'nothing'? (example)
[03:06] <ghata1> kumamoto: alsamixer reports this >> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:06] <ghata1> if i do the same using sudo alsamixer, i get nice interface for volume and other controls
[03:07] <kumamoto> if it is a device let assume it is controlled by sudo try something else on your gui and see if there is a specific permission error
[03:11] <zoidberg> hey guys do u know how to make dvds work better on powerpc powerbooks
[03:11] <zoidberg> i have an old G3 powebook
[03:11] <zoidberg> and i know that you can access the ram better or something DRAM or something to make dvd playback better
[03:11] <zoidberg> any help?
[03:13] <ghata1> kumamoto: my UID is 1000, if i start something with that UID, then sound does not work, if i start something with root UID then it works fine.
[03:14] <ghata1> this includes, all my media players, and other audio and video playing devices
[03:15] <kumamoto> ghata1: what do your logs say when you attempt access the sound device (dmesg or /var/log/messages)
[03:16] <ghata1> kumamoto: ok this is an output when i tried to run VLC as my normal username >> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24852/
[03:19] <kumamoto> ok can I also see the output of /etc/security/groups.conf
[03:21] <ghata1> kumamoto: sure, here it is >> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24853/
[03:28] <kumamoto> sorry that didn't help let me see what I can find out
[03:29] <kumamoto> by the way do you have /dev/dsp or /dev/snd
[03:29] <ghata1> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-06-09 13:53 /dev/dsp
[03:29] <kumamoto> ah
[03:30] <kumamoto> usermod -G user,admin,audio <username> see if that works (sudo ofcourse)
[03:31] <ghata1> sudo usermod -G user,admin,audio
[03:31] <ghata1> usermod: user user,admin,audio does not exist
[03:34] <kumamoto> if you grep audio in your group file are you part of it
[03:34] <kumamoto> #grep 'audio' /etc/group
[03:34] <ghata1> yea, the above command only keeps in one group, either admin or audio
[03:35] <kumamoto> is your user part of the group admin and audio
[03:36] <ghata1> no, I can only add my username to only one of them. when i do sudo usermod -G audio myusername, i get added to audio, but i do sudo usermod -G admin myusername then i get added to admin but remomved from audio
[03:42] <kumamoto> how about manualyl
[03:42] <kumamoto> manually
[03:42] <ghata1> done that, edited the file and added myself to both groups, not sure if it will take effect immediately or not
[03:43] <kumamoto> most likely u might need to reboot and see
[03:43] <ghata1> Hmm... right
[03:55] <artabrahao> anyone has ideia why the immage does not appears in http://shoppingcarba.com.br/ ?
[04:07] <ghata1> kumamoto: that fixed the issue with sound
[04:07] <ghata1> I had to reboot
[04:07] <ghata1> I am just concerned why it happened in the first place
[04:34] <zoidberg> hey guys
[04:34] <zoidberg> where can i enable the wireless connection versus the ethernet connection?
[04:34] <zoidberg> ?
[04:36] <zoidberg> i used to have badger xubuntu....and it had network settings....i just upgraded to dapper...i cant find network settings in applications>system
[04:36] <zoidberg> any help
[04:37] <zoidberg> ?
[04:38] <j1mc> zoidberg: hold on a sec
[04:38] <j1mc> :)
[04:39] <j1mc> zoidberg: i'm not on dapper, but can you also check applications>settings?
[04:39] <zoidberg> its not there either
[04:39] <zoidberg> is there a way to open it through terminal or something
[04:40] <zoidberg> i've used it before i just cant find it
[04:41] <j1mc> zoidberg: sorry, i'm checking...
[04:44] <j1mc> zoidberg: can you try doing:  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-system-tools --reinstall  ?
[04:44] <j1mc> or, you can leave off the --reinstall flag
[04:46] <zoidberg> j1mc, i'm installing it right now
[04:47] <zoidberg> thanx
[04:47] <zoidberg> that worked
[04:47] <zoidberg> j1mc, thanx a lot
[04:47] <j1mc> yeah!
[04:48] <j1mc> glad that worked, zoidberg
[05:28] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:38] <Spencer> O! say can you see by the dawns early light. What so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming
[06:32] <artabrahao> anyone knows the link for lamp webpag?
[06:36] <vidd_laptop> artabrahao, to set up a lamp or to install?
[06:36] <totalwormage> artabrahao: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP?action=show
[06:36] <kalikiana> artabrahao, You don't need lamp on ubuntu. It's almost all preconfigured.
[06:36] <vidd_laptop> the installer is on the "alt cd"
[06:39] <artabrahao> thanks, but I want to check it
[06:42] <kirke> Hello, I want to install drivers for my Nvidia but :  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:42] <kirke> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[06:42] <kirke> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[06:49] <TheSheep> kirke: install linux-restricted-modules-<your kernel version>
[06:49] <kirke> TheSheep, yes, I've already do that.
[06:49] <kirke> sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source
[06:49] <TheSheep> kirke: are you sure you installed for the right version?
[06:50] <kirke>  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:50] <TheSheep> kirke: restricted modules, not kernel source
[06:50] <kirke> yes, glx-legacy is for GeForce2
[06:54] <kirke> so  install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386?
[06:54] <TheSheep> kirke: yes
[06:54] <kirke> Ok, it's done
[06:55] <kirke> I've "The most recent versioN"
[06:55] <TheSheep> kirke: you should install the one for your kernel, you can check your kernel with 'uname -r'
[06:55] <kirke> Yes, i Know.
[06:55] <kirke> -desktop:~$ uname -r
[06:55] <kirke> 2.6.17-10-386
[06:56] <TheSheep> ok, that's good
[06:56] <kirke> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386 ya est en su versin ms reciente.
[06:56] <kirke>  (that's in spanish)
[06:56] <TheSheep> ah, so it was installed
[06:56] <TheSheep> kirke: try 'sudo modprobe nvidia'
[06:56] <TheSheep> kirke: and tell me th last line of 'dmesg'
[06:57] <kirke> Not loading nvidia_legacy module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:57] <kirke> [17179680.292000]  end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 4
[06:57] <TheSheep> kirke: ok, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the 'Driver "nv"' with 'Driver "nvidia"'
[06:58] <TheSheep> kirke: looks like your disk is broken, btw, you should scan it
[06:58] <kirke> yes
[06:58] <TheSheep> kirke: scan it and mark the bad blocks, then it won't use the broken parts
[06:58] <kirke> at booting sometimes says my that is some problem
[06:59] <kirke> how can I scan it?
[06:59] <kirke> and mark the bad blocks?
[07:00] <TheSheep> kirke: remount all your partitions read-only with 'sudo mount /dev/hdcX -f -o remount,ro' (where X is the number for partition), and then run 'sudo fsck -c /dev/hdc'
[07:00] <TheSheep> !fsck | kirke
[07:00] <ubotu> kirke: fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[07:01] <TheSheep> kirke: the scanning will take some time
[07:01] <TheSheep> kirke: it has to try and read/write every single pice of your hdd
[07:02] <kirke> ouch...
[07:02] <kirke> It turns to complex for me, but I will try...
[07:04] <TheSheep> kirke: 'mount' will list you all the mounted partitions
[07:04] <TheSheep> kirke: look which one of them areo n hdc and remount those read-only
[07:04] <TheSheep> *are on
[07:04] <kirke> what's hdc?
[07:05] <TheSheep> kirke: disk connected as master to the second IDE channel
[07:05] <TheSheep> kirke: the IDE disk are called, in order, hda (first master), hdb (first slave), hdc (second master) and hdd (second slave)
[07:06] <kirke>  mount
[07:06] <kirke> /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[07:06] <kirke> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:06] <kirke> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
[07:06] <kirke> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[07:06] <kirke> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[07:06] <kirke> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[07:06] <kirke> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[07:06] <kirke> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[07:06] <kirke> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[07:06] <kirke> /dev/hda1 on /media/hda1 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
[07:07] <kirke> /dev/hda7 on /media/hda7 type vfat (rw,utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
[07:07] <kirke> where is the hdc here?
[07:07] <TheSheep> kirke: there is none
[07:07] <TheSheep> kirke: say, can you do 'ls -l /dev/cdrom' ?
[07:08] <kirke> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-06-09 10:26 /dev/cdrom -> hdb
[07:08] <kirke> what's thaht?
[07:09] <TheSheep> kirke: it means that your cdrom is connected as hdb
[07:09] <TheSheep> hmm...
[07:09] <TheSheep> kirke: what about 'ls -l /dev/ | grep hdc' ?
[07:09] <TheSheep> kirke: it will list the things that refer to 'hdc'
[07:10] <kirke> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom    22,   0 2007-06-09 10:26 hdc
[07:10] <TheSheep> kirke: that's all?
[07:10] <kirke> yes
[07:10] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:~/Desktop$ ls -l /dev/ | grep hdc
[07:10] <kirke> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom    22,   0 2007-06-09 10:26 hdc
[07:10] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:~/Desktop$
[07:11] <TheSheep> kirke: your /etc/fstab ?
[07:11] <kirke> it doesn't exist
[07:12] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:/etc$ cd fstab
[07:12] <kirke> bash: cd: fstab: No es un directorio
[07:12] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:/etc$
[07:12] <TheSheep> kirke: it's file
[07:12] <TheSheep> kirke: text file
[07:12] <kirke> ok wait... I don't know how to copy from nano...
[07:13] <TheSheep> kirke: select it
[07:13] <kirke> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[07:13] <kirke> #
[07:13] <kirke> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[07:13] <kirke> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[07:13] <kirke> # /dev/hda6
[07:13] <kirke> UUID=a8a1bc46-f11f-4115-94bc-f52144f5c9b5 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:13] <kirke> # /dev/hda1
[07:13] <kirke> UUID=9C18019418016F18 /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[07:13] <kirke> # /dev/hda7
[07:13] <kirke> UUID=3F47-AB8B  /media/hda7     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[07:13] <kirke> # /dev/hda5
[07:13] <kirke> UUID=939dbfd8-a4fd-428d-83b2-421d046d1014 none            swap    sw              0       0
[07:13] <kirke> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[07:13] <kirke> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[07:13] <TheSheep> ok, so you have 2 cdroms and one of them is hdc
[07:14] <TheSheep> so the reading error is probably due to a scratched disk or something like that
[07:14] <kirke> ok
[07:14] <kirke> how can I 'unScratch' the disk :D
[07:15] <TheSheep> kirke: you can try reading it in a different drive, maybe it'll be lucky -- then burn on a new cd
[07:16] <kirke> reading what?
[07:17] <TheSheep> kirke: the cd disk
[07:17] <TheSheep> kirke: that is scratched
[07:17] <kirke> I don't care about the cd disk
[07:17] <TheSheep> kirke: that's fine then
[07:18] <kirke> I only want to install the nvidia driver's :'(
[07:18] <kirke> *drivers
[07:18] <TheSheep> kirke: but if you ever get this kind of erros on your hard disk drive (hda in your case), then it means trouble
[07:18] <kirke> umm
[07:18] <kirke> yes
[07:18] <TheSheep> kirke: ok, edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:18] <kirke> but the hard disk problem is related to the cd?
[07:19] <TheSheep> kirke: and replace the line with 'driver "nv"' in it to 'driver "nvidia"'
[07:19] <kirke> yes
[07:19] <kirke> I've alrdeady done it
[07:19] <TheSheep> kirke: try the 'modprobe nvidia' now
[07:19] <kirke> (forgive my English, but my mother language is Spanish)
[07:19] <TheSheep> kirke: your English is very good, mine is Polish
[07:20] <kirke> yes?
[07:20] <kirke> wow.
[07:20] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo modprobe nvidia
[07:20] <kirke> Password:
[07:20] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo modprobe nvidia
[07:20] <kirke> it says nothign!
[07:20] <TheSheep> kirke: that's good, now try 'lsmod | grep nvidia'
[07:20] <kirke> kirke@kirke-desktop:~/Desktop$ lsmod | grep nvidia
[07:20] <kirke> nvidia               3931148  0
[07:20] <kirke> agpgart                33456  2 nvidia,via_agp
[07:20] <kirke> and that means?
[07:21] <TheSheep> it means it's loaded in your memory
[07:21] <TheSheep> now restart your X with alt+ctrl+backspace (it will kill all your running applications)
[07:21] <kirke> ok
[07:21] <kirke> I will come back in 2 minutes
[07:21] <TheSheep> if it fails, put the 'driver "nv"' back and run /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:24] <kirke> TheSheep, how can I know if it's working?
[07:24] <TheSheep> kirke: any luck?
[07:24] <TheSheep> kirke: try enabling shadows
[07:24] <kirke> I have a splash screen with "nvidia"
[07:24] <TheSheep> kirke: settings->window manager tweaks->compositor
[07:24] <kirke> but I've try to games, but i does'nt launch the game
[07:25] <TheSheep> kirke: you can get rid of the splash screen by adding 'option "nologo"' right above or below that driver line you changed
[07:25] <TheSheep> kirke: try running the game from a terminal and look at what it says
[07:26] <kirke> I've try kirke@kirke-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:26] <kirke> Password:
[07:26] <kirke> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[07:26] <TheSheep> kirke: you already did what the nvidia-glx-config was supposed to do
[07:26] <kirke> ok
[07:27] <kirke> how can I run the game from the console?
[07:27] <kirke> I do not know the command to enter
[07:27] <TheSheep> kirke: how did you run it?
[07:27] <kirke> from Aplications --> Games --> "GAME"
[07:28] <TheSheep> kirke: then there should be a file '/usr/share/applications/"GAME".desktop", and in it an 'exec' line that tells the command
[07:28] <hyper_ch> hihi TheSheep
[07:29] <TheSheep> greetings mister hyper_ch
[07:29] <hyper_ch> what's up in your part of the world?
[07:29] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Bush just left, I won't miss him ;)
[07:29] <kirke> TheSheep, Is tuxkart.desktop
[07:29] <aroo> Is there anything in xfce comparable to gedit/kate? (not abiword)
[07:30] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I thought bush was today in Italy...
[07:30] <hyper_ch> aroo: mousepad
[07:30] <TheSheep> aroo: mousepad (rather simple), scite, geany
[07:30] <kirke> TheSheep, how can I run the TuxKart?
[07:30] <aroo> Thanks dudes.
[07:30] <TheSheep> kirke: look into that file
[07:31] <kirke> [Desktop Entry]
[07:31] <kirke> Version=1.0
[07:31] <kirke> Encoding=UTF-8
[07:31] <kirke> Name=TuxKart
[07:31] <kirke> GenericName=TuxKart
[07:31] <kirke> Comment=Play a 3D Go-Kart game with famous Open Source mascots
[07:31] <kirke> Type=Application
[07:31] <kirke> Exec=tuxkart
[07:31] <kirke> Icon=tuxkart
[07:31] <hyper_ch> aroo: but it has no syntax highlighting I think
[07:31] <kirke> Categories=ActionGame;Game;
[07:31] <hyper_ch> !paste | kirke
[07:31] <ubotu> kirke: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:31] <TheSheep> kirke: I'll better tell you now, before the channel gets busy
[07:31] <TheSheep> kirke: ah, ok, hyperch already told you
[07:31] <kirke> ok
[07:32] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ;) I'm quick
[07:32] <TheSheep> kirke: so, the 'Exec' line tells you the commanfd
[07:32] <TheSheep> command
[07:32] <hyper_ch> kirke: not being meant as offensive... general rule of thumb: More than 3 lines --> pastinb
[07:32] <kirke> ok
[07:32] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, has that line hard-coded to a function key!
[07:32] <kirke> Data files will be fetched from: '/usr/share/games/tuxkart'
[07:32] <kirke> PW: GLX extension not available on display ':0.0'?!?kirke@kirke-desktop:/usr/s
[07:32] <kirke> 3 Lines :D
[07:33] <hyper_ch> hiho vidd_laptop
[07:33] <TheSheep> kirke: that's weird
[07:33] <vidd_laptop> *wave* hyper_ch
[07:33] <kirke> weird means rare?
[07:33] <TheSheep> kirke: unexpected to me :)
[07:33] <kirke> TheSheep, ok
[07:33] <hyper_ch> kirke: that means the grand master TheSheep doesn't really know what's happening... ans since not many things can surprise him... it's weird
[07:34] <kirke> TheSheep, Thanks for trying and for patience.
[07:34] <unikon> uboto pastebin has been down recently
[07:34] <kirke> hyper_ch, jaja
[07:34] <hyper_ch> unikon: I prefer http://www.phpfi.com  --> because you can enter name and keywords and later search for it :)
[07:34] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, you are not in -offtopic....
[07:35] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: yes I know.. I'm right on topic ;) sort of...
[07:35] <hyper_ch> kirke: do you have an old nvidia card?
[07:36] <hyper_ch> kirke: I mean are you required to use the legacy drivers?
[07:36] <kirke> hyper_ch, yes GeForce 2
[07:36] <kirke> hyper_ch, yes, I know.
[07:36] <hyper_ch> did you add the "no compose" to your xorg.conf?
[07:36] <kirke> "no compose"?
[07:36] <hyper_ch> !restricted
[07:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:37] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[07:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:37] <kirke> hyper_ch, ??
[07:38] <hyper_ch> kirke: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-6a16bd77ea4c381bf0c6502489d408f9dc6d5d67
[07:38] <hyper_ch> that thing here:
[07:38] <hyper_ch> Section "Extensions"
[07:38] <hyper_ch>         Option  "Composite" "Disable"
[07:38] <hyper_ch> EndSection
[07:38] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: go ahead
[07:39] <vidd_laptop> i had set up a blog and a forum on my server box....
[07:39] <hyper_ch> kirke: that's what I had to do with my old GeForce 2 GTS/Pro
[07:39] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: that's good ;)
[07:39] <hyper_ch> well, actually
[07:39] <vidd_laptop> then got my system hosted at work, and registered a domain name....
[07:39] <hyper_ch> "had" means past
[07:39] <hyper_ch> and hence you imply you don't have it any longer ;)
[07:39] <vidd_laptop> now they are looking to my old dyndns domain instead of the new one....
[07:40] <hyper_ch> yeah, ok... and problem is now you don't know how to get the domain to your box?
[07:40] <vidd_laptop> and i cant figure out WHERE i need to fix the referencing issue
[07:40] <vidd_laptop> the domain is fine.....
[07:40] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: well, the box is yours and you have full control over the domain?
[07:40] <vidd_laptop> but the scripts are looking to the OLD domain, and i need to "educate" them to the new domain name
[07:41] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, yes
[07:41] <kirke> hyper_ch, after "Section "Extensions"
[07:41] <kirke>         Option  "Composite" "Disable"
[07:41] <kirke> EndSection"
[07:41] <kirke> I have to restart?
[07:42] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: if you really want to host the domain I'd suggest to setup nameservers... create a glue record and your domain host for the nameservers and that's it :)
[07:42] <hyper_ch> kirke: well, you have to restart the X-server
[07:42] <hyper_ch> kirke: you can do that by rebooting the machine
[07:42] <vidd_laptop> no...you can browse to my site....
[07:42] <kirke> and ctrl-alt-backpsace?
[07:42] <hyper_ch> kirke: or press ctrl-alt-escape (this will end your current session and just reload)
[07:43] <hyper_ch> kirke: oh, it's ctrl-alt-backspce
[07:43] <hyper_ch> ;)
[07:43] <vidd_laptop> but the scripts for my blog and other mysql stuff is all being reference to the OLD doamin name and not the new one
[07:43] <kirke> ok
[07:43] <kirke> thanks.
[07:43] <kirke> I've try.
[07:43] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: well, the scripts for blog and so on have mostly a config.php
[07:43] <hyper_ch> or config.inc.php
[07:43] <hyper_ch> where you can set the path and db parameters
[07:43] <hyper_ch> is wordpress your blog?
[07:44] <vidd_laptop> yes hyper_ch
[07:45] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: well, it has somewhere a config file... could be wp_conf.php or something like that
[07:45] <vidd_laptop> right...but it does not state the url's in there
[07:47] <Woopahh> hello, im having problems getting wireless internet on my Thinkpad T60! anyone that can help me whit this problem?
[07:47] <vidd_laptop> so i think that the db itself has the calls to the old site name
[07:47] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: the domain.name could be in the db as you say
[07:47] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: have you installed phpmyadmin?
[07:47] <vidd_laptop> Woopahh, what chipset are you using for your wireless
[07:47] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, yes
[07:47] <Woopahh> how do i find that out?
[07:48] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: then have a look at the wp database there
[07:48] <vidd_laptop> Woopahh, is it an internal wireless, usb, or pcmcia?
[07:48] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: most script do store basic infos in a config file... maybe wp is a an exception from that
[07:48] <Woopahh> internal
[07:48] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, ok...ty
[07:48] <vidd_laptop> Woopahh, on the command line, type lspci
[07:49] <vidd_laptop> Woopahh, in the output you want to look for something like : 02:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[07:49] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: the wp_options table
[07:49] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, ok...you use wordpress too?
[07:50] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: yes
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, i'd like to read it sometime
[07:50] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: you know German?
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, no....
[07:50] <vidd_laptop> =[
[07:50] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: well, then there's not much use :)
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, why do all the interesting ppl write in languages i cant understand!
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> =[
[07:51] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: why don't you learn more languages?
[07:52] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: I understand German, French, English, Italian... some spanish and very little swedish
[07:52] <DaBeowulf> Why does it say this even when I use sudo?: ln: creating symbolic link `/media/disk/Spiele/UT2k4/System/libSDL-1.2.so.0' to `/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0': Operation not permitted
[07:52] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: what did you exactely enter as command?
[07:53] <DaBeowulf> Does it require a libSDL-1.2.so.0 in UT2k4 to exist?
[07:53] <DaBeowulf> This: ln -s /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 /somewhere/ut2004/System/libSDL-1.2.so.0
[07:53] <DaBeowulf> with sudo in front
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, i only know english, a little spanish, and less turkish
[07:54] <DaBeowulf> Note media/disk is the contents of my Win partition
[07:54] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: you can isntall sdl from the repositories...
[07:54] <hyper_ch> Da what file system is it?
[07:55] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: what file system is it?
[07:55] <DaBeowulf> I do have it in usr/lib
[07:55] <hyper_ch> is that /somewhere/...   a fat32 or ntfs partition?
[07:55] <DaBeowulf> Hmm a usual Dos/Win98 I guess
[07:56] <DaBeowulf> How can I look that up?
[07:56] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: they don't have symlinks :)
[07:56] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: type 'mount'
[07:56] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: somehow I don't think you can create a symlink to a win partition
[07:56] <vidd_laptop> Woopahh, did you find your wireless card?
[07:57] <DaBeowulf> type vfat
[07:58] <DaBeowulf> Can I just copy the files it needs there then?
[07:58] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: what do you want to do?
[07:59] <DaBeowulf> Here try your german again? ;) http://www.holarse-linuxgaming.de/h2006/comments/Unreal+Tournament+2004
[07:59] <DaBeowulf> it says the latest linux patch misses these libraries
[07:59] <C|-|R15> Hi...anyone using xubuntu on a laptop that (like Vaio) that has a mousepad?
[08:00] <unikon> anyone? i need help recovering my root pw on 6.06 Dapper Drake
[08:00] <C|-|R15> does 7.04 have drivers for mousepad type on laptop?
[08:01] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: copying them there should also work
[08:01] <DaBeowulf> Thanks so I'll try that.
[08:01] <hyper_ch> unikon: hmmm, you can't...
[08:02] <unikon> i wonder if id be able to recover my files booting up in knoppix
[08:02] <TheSheep> unikon: yes, or you can boot with init=/bin/bash added to the kernel options
[08:02] <TheSheep> unikon: then remount / in read-write and change your password
[08:03] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: cool :)
[08:03] <TheSheep> that's why gub has an option to add password to the boot options editor :)
[08:03] <TheSheep> grub
[08:03] <hyper_ch> just to make it clear: he was talking about recovering his root pwd and not hacking his computer ;)
[08:03] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: it's the same
[08:04] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: not really.. recover means he will get the information regarding his root pwd... hacking means circumventing that obstacle ;)
[08:05] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: well, recovering the password would require breaking the hash in /etc/shadow, probably with bruteforce, which takes several days on a very fast computer...
[08:05] <hyper_ch> DVD Encoder OGMRip looks nice... has someone already tried it?
[08:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: only several days?
[08:06] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: computers get faster every day
[08:07] <Jester45> TheSheep, how would it take days? on a passord thats about 8 caractors long? could you just guess all the possibilities with in a pretty short amountg of time
[08:07] <hyper_ch> 8 characters is much to hack
[08:07] <TheSheep> Jester45: count how many possibilities there are
[08:07] <Jester45> i will when i get back
[08:08] <hyper_ch> how many combinations per second? 50'000?
[08:08] <unikon> hyper_ch if i can just use knoppix to boot up and hopefully it will see the hd all i want to do is recover files i saved to the desktop and home folder
[08:08] <TheSheep> considering you only check 64 characters (lower and upper case, digits and some punctuation), you get 64^8
[08:08] <hyper_ch> unikon: you do not have /home on a seperate partition?
[08:09] <TheSheep> unikon: you can just mount your partition from knoppix, chroot to it and use passwd to change the root password
[08:09] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: dthat doesn't matter
[08:10] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, if /home is on a seperate drive he could just reinstall everything if he wanted
[08:10] <unikon> files on my desktop,firefox links,and other screenshots and such is all i want to recover then id be upgrading from 6.06 to the recent
[08:11] <hyper_ch> 64^8=281474976710656
[08:12] <vidd_laptop> and that is assuming no special characters
[08:12] <hyper_ch> --> /86400 (seconds per day) =<PHONE_NUMBER>
[08:13] <hyper_ch> it would talke some many days if you had one combo per second
[08:13] <hyper_ch> now let's say 100'000 combos per second
[08:13] <hyper_ch> it would still amount to 41'000 days
[08:14] <vidd_laptop> so 41 computers...with 100k attempts per second....still a whole day
[08:14] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: no... 41k computers
[08:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: fortunately it's much faster, and you don't really try all combinations in the order of their length -- you first try words from the dictionary, then their combinations and modifications, then letter combinations common in human languages
[08:15] <vidd_laptop> sorry...my keyboard skips letters whenever it feals like it,,,,,
[08:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: luckily I don't have such a password ;)
[08:15] <vidd_laptop> usually when it can make me look the most foolish!
[08:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: common letter replacements, like 0 for O or 5 for S are tried too
[08:16] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: doesn't work on mine... :)
[08:16] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: good for yuo
[08:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: that's provided they have access to your /etc/shadow
[08:17] <hyper_ch> I use a key phrase from where I select for each word a specific letter... perfectly rememberable but hard to find out
[08:17] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yeah, these tend to be best
[08:18] <hyper_ch> for example: Cesar - De Bello Gallico starts like this:  Gallia omnia est divisa in partes tres --> G03d1p3
[08:18] <hyper_ch> just as a possible example
[08:18] <hyper_ch> something one can remember
[08:19] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you could just have a 64-characters long password in morse ;)
[08:19] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I only now very few letters in morse... like the S and O and E and A
[08:19] <hyper_ch> +k
[08:21] <hyper_ch> I even created a password like that one above for my mom and she really can remember it :)
[08:21] <TheSheep> hyper_ch:  --..  ..  .  .-- ...-.-
[08:21] <vidd_laptop> my mother uses the Ultra-Secure password...pa55w0rd
[08:22] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: all microsoft courses use p@ssw0rd :)
[08:22] <vidd_laptop> takes a hack all of about .16 seconds to crack
[08:22] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how do you know?
[08:24] <hyper_ch> wow... nobody has any troubles... cool :)
[08:24] <hyper_ch> I just read again that Nils Bohr joke... I still wonder if it is actually true
[08:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://helios.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/blog/cert.html
[08:24] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you have a blog?
[08:25] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes, at http://sheep.art.pl
[08:25] <hyper_ch> iiieks... you are windoze certified?
[08:25] <DaBeowulf> Copying doesn't work.. I'll have to make new partitions :/ Two times 10GB? 10GB is far too small for Windows even 98SE to do anything..
[08:25] <DaBeowulf> I need to shell out for a new hdd
[08:25] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: xubuntu fits in 3GB
[08:26] <DaBeowulf> But UT2k4 doesn't :|
[08:27] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: you could add ext2/3 support to windows... then you can read/write your linux partitions from windows... but I don't know if that works in win98se
[08:27] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, can you come to -offtopic to help me with my database issue?
[08:29] <DaBeowulf> Why doesn't it allow me to put proper links to the libraries there? It's just not possible?
[08:29] <hyper_ch> you cannot symlink to a fat partition
[08:30] <DaBeowulf> But I can read and write to it O_o
[08:30] <DaBeowulf> ah but not the other way and that or something like it is the catch here?
[08:30] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: yes, but the way it stores files doesn't allow you to set unix-like permissions or symbolic links on it
[08:31] <TheSheep> DaBeowulf: the files don't even have their owner and group
[08:32] <DaBeowulf> I would ditch Win completely if I was not going to a LAN next saturday..
[08:33] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're into anime?
[08:35] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes, not fanatically though
[08:35] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: more into manga
[08:35] <unikon> im gonna go offline for a bit to do some testing  bbl if i need more help
[08:35] <cornelius> hi
[08:35] <TheSheep> hi cornelius
[08:35] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: all the same.. :) btw, got a new guestbook entry
[08:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:36] <cornelius> someone speaking german in here ? ;-)
[08:36] <TheSheep> !de
[08:36] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:36] <DaBeowulf> I just <3 how I never have to reboot and my whole RAM can get used and Doom3 performs so much better than in Win98SE(k that's not supported by ID for a reason most likely :P) on the same hardware that it is unbelievable.
[08:36] <cornelius> thanks a lot
[08:36] <DaBeowulf> I'm german. :D
[08:36] <hyper_ch> I'm not German but I understand most of it ;)
[08:37] <cornelius> sehr schln:)
[08:37] <cornelius> i try to improve my english
[08:38] <TheSheep> bbl, Jakie Chan in tv :)
[08:38] <DaBeowulf> hot asian ladies ftw =o
[08:39] <DaBeowulf> I got to cut down on that gamer lingo and its abbreviations in here.
[08:41] <DaBeowulf> Anyway thanks for trying to help.
[08:46] <DaBeowulf> Ha I'll try only copying the whole UT2k4 System dir to my tiny Xubuntu partition and adjust the pathes in the ini. :)
[08:54] <bulio> how can I unmount my drive /dev/hda5?
[08:55] <bulio> I think thunar keeps disallowing me to
[08:55] <hyper_ch> bulio: close all apps that access it
[08:55] <hyper_ch> and then in a terminal:   sudo umount /dev/hda5
[08:55] <bulio> its a storage partition
[08:56] <bulio> I tried umount
[08:56] <bulio> doesnt allow me to unmount it
[08:56] <bulio> device is busy
[08:57] <hyper_ch> did you do what I said?
[08:57] <bulio> how do I close thunar?
[08:57] <bulio> its the only thing accessing it
[08:58] <hyper_ch> close it
[08:58] <Smygis> bulio, I had the same issue, There is a bug someware. For me it went away after some update.
[08:59] <Smygis> Atleast i think it whas the same issue
[09:00] <bulio> I update in synaptic or apt-get?
[09:00] <hyper_ch> bulio: whatever you prefer... I prefer aptitude
[09:00] <Smygis> Same thing
[09:00] <bulio> ok
[09:00] <bulio> I'll do an apt-get upgrade
[09:01] <bulio> then reboot?
[09:01] <hyper_ch> bulio: in the ocmmand line:    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:01] <bulio> I did that
[09:01] <hyper_ch> well, then a reboot isn't bad
[09:01] <bulio> ok
[09:01] <bulio> ill reboot now
[09:02] <Smygis> :/
[09:02] <Pumpernickel> You can just disable Thunar's auto-mounting feature.
[09:02] <bulio> but I like the auto-mounting feature
[09:02] <bulio> I just need to unmount it so that I can partition the drive
[09:02] <bulio> I have 30GB of free space that must be merged with the 50GB paritition
[09:03] <Pumpernickel> Then right-click on the drive's icon and there should be an option to do that.
[09:03] <bulio> says I need to be root
[09:03] <Pumpernickel> hm
[09:03] <bulio> run thunar as root?
[09:03] <hyper_ch> bulio:   sudo umount /dev/hda5
[09:03] <bulio> tried it
[09:03] <hyper_ch> oh ok
[09:04] <ashtar> hello, how do I get rid of the transparency in icons on desktop?
[09:04] <Pumpernickel> What does `lsof /dev/hda5` return?
[09:08] <DaBeowulf> Hmm I had to link libstdc++.so.5 from /usr/lib32 as well and when I now try to run the game I get "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32"
[09:09] <Pumpernickel> It's expecting it to not be a symlink.
[09:09] <DaBeowulf> ^ That when I try the AMD64 bin and the same error only with libSDL-1.2.so.0 when trying the normal bin
[09:09] <DaBeowulf> Oh okay so I'll copy the files they link to there and name them what the links are called at the moment?
[09:10] <Pumpernickel> Wait, where did you link it to?
[09:11] <bulio> Pumpernickel, Thunar  4850 bulio   21r   DIR    3,5 4096    2 /media/hda5
[09:12] <DaBeowulf> I used the commands found here: http://www.holarse-linuxgaming.de/h2006/comments/Unreal+Tournament+2004 (from bottom just above links)
[09:12] <Pumpernickel> bulio: Kill that process and then try umounting the drive.
[09:12] <DaBeowulf> ln -s /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.5 /home/stefan/Desktop/System/libstdc++.so.5 for instance
[09:12] <bulio> killall thunar?
[09:12] <Pumpernickel> bulio: Yeah.
[09:13] <bulio> thunar: no process killed
[09:13] <Pumpernickel> DaBeowulf: Sorry, I jumped to what I think was the wrong conclusion, originally.
[09:13] <Pumpernickel> bulio: Thunar.
[09:13] <bulio> oh
[09:13] <Pumpernickel> Linux is case-sensitive.
[09:13] <bulio> yeah
[09:13] <bulio> worked
[09:13] <bulio> thanks
[09:14] <Pumpernickel> DaBeowulf: That error seems to occurr when the application is expecting the library to be the other of 32/64 bit.
[09:14] <Pumpernickel> e.g; expecting a 64bit library, but finding a 32bit one.
[09:14] <bulio> what would be the best partition editior to merge two partitions?
[09:15] <Pumpernickel> GParted.
[09:15] <bulio> I'm using it
[09:15] <hyper_ch> bulio: but backup your data first
[09:15] <bulio> but it won't allow me to add 32GB of unallocated space to /dev/hda5
[09:15] <hyper_ch> bulio: both partitions must be unmounted
[09:15] <bulio> must I make the unallocated space a partition first?
[09:16] <bulio> hyper_ch, the unallocated nor hda5 is mounted
[09:16] <Pumpernickel> bulio: The partitions would have to be sequential.
[09:16] <bulio> what do you mean?
[09:16] <Pumpernickel> |--hda5--|--free space--|
[09:16] <hyper_ch> bulio: there must not be another partition between hda5 and the unallocatoed space
[09:17] <Pumpernickel> As opposed to |--hda5--|--something else--|--free space--|
[09:17] <bulio> there isnt right now
[09:17] <bulio> it goes swap---/---unallocated----/dev/hda5
[09:17] <hyper_ch> that should be ok
[09:18] <bulio> but where is the option to extend hda5?
[09:19] <bulio> wait, encompassing all the partitions is "extended", which is /dev/hda2
[09:19] <bulio> it is the size of my harddisk
[09:19] <hyper_ch> b ulio can't you modifi /dev/hda5/
[09:20] <bulio> I think I need to partition the unallocated space first
[09:20] <bulio> I'm partitioning it to ext3
[09:20] <hyper_ch> bulio: right-click /dev/hda5
[09:20] <hyper_ch> and then select resize/move
[09:20] <bulio> I did
[09:20] <hyper_ch> in gparted
[09:20] <bulio> but it only allows me to go up to 50GB
[09:20] <bulio> not 90 like it should
[09:20] <hyper_ch> can you make a screenshot?
[09:20] <DaBeowulf> Hmm so where would I go if I wanted to obtain the 64bit libstdc++.so.5 ?
[09:21] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: http://package.ubuntu.com
[09:21] <DaBeowulf> Thanks.
[09:21] <bulio> screenshot in one second
[09:22] <hyper_ch> but why are 64bit libararies needed?
[09:22] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: how you're coming along?
[09:22] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, you rock....
[09:22] <DaBeowulf> I dunno, it's a special amd64 bin as it seems.
[09:22] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: that wasn't the question ;)
[09:22] <vidd_laptop> im now happily typing away in my new blog
[09:23] <hyper_ch> DaBeowulf: I doubt that they run on a 32bit os...
[09:23] <bulio> http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4388/lookxg8.png
[09:23] <vidd_laptop> i had to purge the old...but it was only one entry...NBD
[09:23] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: to your domain name, you also need to add the "www" otherwise the content of your IP shows ;)
[09:23] <vidd_laptop> hrm....
[09:24] <vidd_laptop> aliasing must be done
[09:24] <DaBeowulf> Hmm, I'm on FF AMD64, not?
[09:24] <bulio> see anything odd in the screenshot?
[09:25] <hyper_ch> bulio: nope... it should display there preceeding free space
[09:25] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: you'll manage
[09:25] <bulio> so what could be wrong then?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> bulio: no clue :) do you still have data on /dev/hda5?
[09:26] <bulio> yes
[09:26] <bulio> and I need it
[09:26] <hyper_ch> bulio: do you have backups of that data?
[09:26] <bulio> at present, no
[09:26] <hyper_ch> bulio: then don't mess around with it
[09:26] <bulio> so create a bew partition?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> bulio: always have backups when messing around partition tables...
[09:26] <bulio> *new
[09:27] <hyper_ch> because if something messes up... the data is gone...
[09:27] <hyper_ch> and once you have backups... you can easily also delete the /dev/hda5 one and create it new ;)
[09:27] <bulio> yeah
[09:28] <hyper_ch> but actually, I dunno why you can enlarge the partition....
[09:28] <hyper_ch> but before you try anything, make backups
[09:29] <bulio> I am
[09:31] <hyper_ch> ;)
[09:31] <hyper_ch> it's also good practice to make regular backups ;)
[09:33] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, looks like im going to have to go googling for that fix,,,,
[09:33] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: somewhere in the vhost section it should be set
[09:34] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: but you'll find out ;)
[09:34] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[09:34] <vidd_laptop> eventually....
[09:35] <hyper_ch> ;)
[09:35] <vidd_laptop> *groan* =]
[09:35] <vidd_laptop> but all the better to LEARN from
[09:36] <hyper_ch> vidd_laptop: google for:   apache2 domain alias   --> 1st result looks promising
[09:36] <vidd_laptop> If everything went super smooth....waht would i have learned
[09:36] <vidd_laptop> ill be back
[09:36] <hyper_ch> did you use the howtoforge setup?
[09:36] <vidd_laptop> [work is demanding my time
[09:37] <vidd_laptop> hyper_ch, no....can you give me a link?
[09:38] <hyper_ch> http://www.google.ch/search?q=apache2+domain+alias&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[09:59] <adam0509> do someone know how to desactivate transparency using withour removing option composite ??
[09:59] <adam0509> Because it's good to desactivate transparency before playing a game...
[10:02] <maxamillion> adam0509: you can just go into the window manager tweaks settings in the settings manager and uncheck the check boxes about the transparency, play your game and then re-check when you are done
[10:03] <adam0509> 1) They're is no "box" but only bar
[10:03] <adam0509> 2) Panel use transparency too
[10:04] <adam0509> (and panel don't have box but only bar)
[10:05] <maxamillion> adam0509: oh ... huh, sure does ... my mistake
[10:05] <DaBeowulf> Ha there seems to have been a FAQ somewhere that I missed.. I found a solution to my problem from the looks of it.
[10:16] <DaBeowulf> Is it bad to try sudo apt-get install libstdc++5 when it already shipped with XubuntuFF(AMD64) just not in 64 bit?
[10:17] <DaBeowulf> well and is it any good?
[10:20] <stanks> hello
[10:21] <maxamillion> hi
[10:21] <DaBeowulf> lo o/
[10:21] <stanks> i need some help with my sound card
[10:21] <artabrahao> hi, when I type sudo su appears must be setuid root
[10:21] <stanks> i was on ubuntu forums but everything i have found didn't solve the problem
[10:21] <stanks> i can play mp3's, watch movies, etc. all with sound
[10:22] <stanks> but when i run xdtv (for watching tv) there is no sound
[10:22] <stanks> recording from xdtv saves sound too, but when i only watch tv there is nos sound
[10:23] <stanks> i tried with latest realtek-linux-audiopack but again no sound in xdtv
[10:24] <stanks> anyone have any idea about this
[10:24] <maxamillion> artabrahao: why would you need to sudo su?
[10:25] <maxamillion> stanks: there is probably just a setting in xdtv thats not pointing to the right sound device, that happened to me before with gxine
[10:25] <vidd_laptop> stanks, is it possible that another app is grabbing your sound card?
[10:26] <artabrahao> hi, when I type sudo su appears must be setuid root thing I user chmod in / in the wrong form
[10:27] <stanks> vidd_laptop: no
[10:27] <stanks> maxamillion: what setting? i didn't found anything where i can change alsa or oss or else
[10:27] <maxamillion> artabrahao: why would you need to sudo su?
[10:28] <maxamillion> stanks: i dunno, i've never used xdtv
[10:28] <stanks> btw after i install and restart my comp mplayer starts without sound too (alsa set as deafult -ao)
[10:29] <stanks> after i install realtek-linux-audiopack
[10:29] <stanks> i have
[10:29] <stanks> Card: HDA NVidia
[10:29] <stanks> Chip: Realtek ALC888
[10:32] <stanks> hmmm....i tried xdtv with oss but no sound again
[10:32] <stanks> :(
[10:33] <stanks> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/snd
[10:33] <stanks> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/snd
[10:33] <stanks> *** AUDIO DEVICE TYPE = oss
[10:33] <stanks> ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer
[10:33] <stanks> snd_mixer_open: Nema takve datoteke ili direktorija
[10:33] <stanks> *** MIXER DEVICE TYPE = oss
[10:33] <maxamillion> !pastebin | stanks
[10:33] <ubotu> stanks: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:33] <stanks> sorry
[10:33] <maxamillion> its ok
[10:36] <artabrahao> to install some packages
[10:37] <artabrahao> what is the default chmod for / ?
[10:38] <stanks> xdtv is built with alsa
[10:38] <stanks> and oss
[10:43] <DaBeowulf> Okay here is an easy one: How does a full path specification look in Linux? >_<
[10:45] <maxamillion> DaBeowulf: /home/userName/Desktop/someFile.txt
[10:45] <DaBeowulf> So just beginning with a slash?
[10:45] <DaBeowulf> Damn I think I tried that..
[10:46] <DaBeowulf> There's no C:\ equivalent?
[10:47] <maxamillion> DaBeowulf: / is the C:\ equivalent
[10:48] <maxamillion> DaBeowulf: / = root directory ....


  I don't recall seeing it before today. Also, it doesn't do anything when I click it - not noticeable. I do see it's a compositor. Compton already exists and is installed, so I dunno what's going on and I figure I'll ask before filing my test results
[20:28] <KGIII> And, I have no idea how to test it. With compton, I start a terminal, start compton, and then check to see if transparency works in the terminal.
[20:31] <lynorian> I would testing compton-conf as well to see if like I could change shadow colors
[20:33] <KGIII> Sure, sure... Just add more stuff to the list! (Duly noted and thanks!)
[20:35] <lynorian> if you want to check when something changed apt changelog is also your friend to see changes but sometimes doesn't list all upstream stuff
[20:40] <KGIII> Hmm... That was no help this time. Thanks. I'm just gonna let them figure it out and file my test results.
 saw that also on Hirsute daily iso 21.12.20 — are not picom and compton the same thing? Need some clarification.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <KGIII> Before I file my test result, when did "picom" show up? I don't recall seeing it before today. Also, it doesn't do anything when I click it - not noticeable. I do see it's a compositor. Compton already exists and is installed, so I dunno what's going on and I figure I'll ask before fil
[21:00] <wxl> picom is a fork of comptom more or less
[21:01] <wxl> it can be considered the more updated and more maintained compton
[21:02] <KGIII> So, will compton be going away, or is this just a test to see if it's actually better, or? Also, do I test it in a similar manner?
[21:02] <wxl> it should be equivalent to compton
[21:02] <wxl> and yes we'd like compton to go away
 ok tks
[21:02] <KGIII> Thanks!
[21:05] <wxl> i didn't know we had seeded picom but that's cool
[21:05] <wxl> weird that we're ALSO seeding compton but whatever
[21:05] <wxl> so a couple things to know:
[21:05] <wxl> if one of them is running, you won't be able to run another one
[21:05] <KGIII> They're both in there in today's .iso.
[21:05] <wxl> i.e. if compton is running, you won't be able to run picom and vice versa
[21:06] <wxl> secondly, there are a bunch of config options that have been removed in picom
[21:06] <wxl> picom still reads $HOME/compton.conf
[21:06] <wxl> but if one of those config options is in there, it will not run
[21:06] <wxl> ideally when you run it, you should run it from the command line and it will tell you
[21:07] <wxl> then just edit the configuration and comment out the particular line
[21:07] <KGIII> Should I bother testing compton any longer?
[21:07] <wxl> i wouldn't
[21:07] <KGIII> Thanks. That'll make it easier.
[21:08] <wxl> oh jeez
[21:08] <wxl> the seed is on groovy
[21:09] <KGIII> I can say with great certainty that I had nothing to do with it!
[21:12] <KGIII> Also, I'll update my test results. picom works as expected.
[21:17] <wxl> omg
[21:18] <wxl> who came up with this idea
[21:18] <wxl> picom is a recommend to compton X''''D
[21:18] <wxl> so it looks like we're going to have to have them both, especially with compton-conf depending on compton
[21:27] <KGIII> Once again, I can say I had nothing to do with it! (Though that seems kinda silly if one is to replace the other. But, what do I know?)
[21:45] <RyuKurisu[m]> <wxl "picom still reads $HOME/compton."> That needs to change ASAP!  Where can I file a bug or better yet make a pull request?
[21:45] <KGIII> I have just learned the magic of the manifest (thanks to guiverc). I feel like a magician!
[21:46] <guiverc> KGIII, double-check everything I say... I just made a mess elsewhere..
[21:46] <KGIII> LOL If it doesn't work, I'll just bug you again. I ain't scared!
[21:48] <wxl> RyuKurisu[m]: that's not a bug that it reads compton.conf
[22:07] <RyuKurisu[m]> No, but it is highly annoying to have a  separate compton.conf for picom which you've have to switch out when trying it out.
[22:08] <RyuKurisu[m]> I don't think it should be different layout or internal naming, but a separate file would be very nice.
[22:15] <wxl> no what's annoying is that compton still exists
[22:15] <wxl> it needs to die
[22:43] <KGIII> It has to be better than xcompmgr, which is what I have installed on my 18.04 boxes. I really put no effort into that one. It leaves artifacts and I just kinda live with 'em. They're small things like window shadows existing after the apps are closed or moved. I never bothered finding a better one. Now that I'm moving to 20.04, I don't have to!