[02:23] <fenugrec> Hi, I'm looking for suggestions to figure out "where'd all my RAM go" . 'free -h' shows 47M available, 65M free (out of 2G).  'ps -aux' only adds up to about <10% of mem;  /tmp is empty
[02:25] <fenugrec> ooh, 'df' shows a few /dev/loopN devices with 1-200MB used... they're not tmpfs but squashfs, does that add up into RAM total ?
[02:25] <sarnold> fenugrec: what's the free -h report for buff/cached ? that's  a common place for memory to go
[02:26] <sarnold> fenugrec: the smem tool in the smem package is handy for figuring out how much memory to blame each process for consuming
[02:26] <fenugrec> sarnold, that was my first idea, but not in this case " Mem:  1.9Gi   1.8Gi   63Mi  0.0Ki    99Mi    40Mi " (99M for buff/cache)
[02:27] <fenugrec> noted for smem. Can't do anything right now, apt-get is running and system is slowed to a crawl
[02:27] <sarnold> yeah that looks like an unhappy system :/
[02:28] <fenugrec> can't tell if OOM is doing anything because UFW is polluting dmesg... vmstat shows a ton of block io, no idea how much of it is due to apt-get
[02:29] <sarnold> fenugrec: it might be useful to grab a copy of /proc/meminfo and /proc/slabinfo to get a snapshot of how kernel memory is being used
[02:32] <dasm> fenugrec: try top or htop (if it's installed). it should show where the memory is
[02:33] <fenugrec> sarnold, dumped both https://pastebin.com/e681HhkX . Not used to looking at those raw, I'm just a peasant P )
[02:33] <fenugrec> dasm, same issue, RSS and %MEM numbers in top don't add up (htop not installed)
[02:33] <sarnold> fenugrec: same, I usually just use the slabtop program, but if you're already low on memory, throwing that onto the fire too wouldn't help
[02:35] <dasm> fenugrec: what shows MiB Mem row?
[02:35] <dasm> it should add up to first column total
[02:36] <fenugrec> dasm, MiB Mem :   1978.2 total,     79.5 free,   1817.6 used,     81.2 buff/cache . Right, 1978 = 79+1817+81, but I'm taking issue with 1817
[02:36] <dasm> if your system allows, try installing htop. it's very neat tool, i prefer it over top. it allows to sort by the biggest offender consuming the most memory
[02:37] <sarnold> fenugrec: check that kmalloc-128 line, it's vastly out of proportion to all the other kmalloc-* slabs
[02:37] <fenugrec> dasm, I agree 100% and use htop usually. But serverbox is currently running apt-get so I'm blocked for X more minutes/hours
[02:37] <sarnold> fenugrec: this feels a lot like a kernel memory leak
[02:37] <fenugrec> sarnold, good observation, slabtop is also showing kmalloc-128 way at the top
[02:38] <sarnold> if i've done the math correctly, that's ..
[02:38] <dasm> or in top you should be able to shift+m to see what's going on
[02:38] <sarnold> 1565.97070312500000000000
[02:38] <sarnold> megabytes
[02:40] <fenugrec> (shift+m = sort by %mem ? nice, I can never remember). Right, localedef is at the top with 4% MEM.
[02:40] <sarnold> fenugrec: unfortunately it'll be pretty difficult to figure out what's consuming your kmalloc-128 slab from here :( -- rebooting is going to be the best way to get that memory back
[02:41] <dasm> sarnold: in the middle of apt update it's rather dangerous
[02:41] <sarnold> yes, good point
[02:41] <fenugrec> sarnold, yeah makes sense. I could spend hours killing stuff and not find the culprit...
[02:41] <dasm> treat it like windows, lol
[02:42] <fenugrec> uh oh my ssh session running apt just timed out
[02:42] <sarnold> fenugrec: it's a bit interesting to me that you've got enough ufw / iptables logging events to spot ooms, I wonder if that code path is affected
[02:42] <sarnold> :( :( :(
[02:42] <dasm> oh.
[02:43] <fenugrec> no no I'm *not seeing OOMs , all I see is UFW noise
[02:43] <sarnold> oof, don't mind me, just typos..
[02:44] <fenugrec> apt-get is still running ? so it doesnt have a pty ... not sure what's going to happen. I guess future me will deal with it tomorrow !
[02:44] <fenugrec> dasm, sarnold, thanks for the assistance
[02:44] <dasm> fenugrec: good call ;)
[02:44] <sarnold> fenugrec: one sec..
[02:44] <sarnold> https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/tools/slabratetop_example.txt
[02:44] <sarnold> this tool *might* be able to help you spot kernel features that cause those 128 byte allocations
[02:45] <dasm> fenugrec: i'm logging off. good luck with looking for the culprit!
[02:45] <sarnold> if you enable the firewall logging, and see that grow; disable firewall logging, and see those allocations stop, then you might have a really good guess
[02:46] <sarnold> aww crud. our bpfcc-tools package version of slabratetop-bpfcc fails for me :(
[02:46] <fenugrec> hmm let's see
[02:46] <fenugrec> oh, I need to install / compile it ?
[02:47] <sarnold> yeah, this one is crazy, it even does compile *at run time* with kernel headers or something similar
[02:47] <fenugrec> heh guess how well that's going to work on this cadaver P )
[02:47] <sarnold> not well
[02:47] <sarnold> this is for post-reboot :)
[02:47] <fenugrec> aah yes
[02:47] <sarnold> I mean, I hope your leak is fixed in a newer kernel
[02:48] <sarnold> but in case it's still there :( this might be useful
[02:48] <fenugrec> huh it's on 5.4.0, sounds kinda old. Def will look into it. Not me though, future me
[02:49] <fenugrec> cheers, ttyl if I'm still hosed tomorrow
[02:50] <sarnold> gnight, good luck fenugrec :)
make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'arch/x86/entry/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl', needed by 'arch/x86/include/generated/asm/syscalls_32.h'.  Stop.
[09:29] <samba35> arch/x86/Makefile:264: recipe for target 'archheaders' failed
[09:29] <samba35> make: *** [archheaders] Error 2

[09:29] <samba35> i am getting this error when i try to make kernel compile with make command
[09:29] <samba35>  i am in /usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-135-generic
[11:18] <MICROburst> What are the kernel options for booting 20.04.2 live-server via PXE? Getting complains from /init about not finding /dev/sr0.
[15:06] <MICROburst> ping
[15:10] <teward> patience is a virtue MICROburst, and nobody'll answer you unless they have an idea of a solution.
[17:46] <MICROburst> teward:  no traffic at all.
[17:47] <MICROburst> Getting the error "/init: line 49: can’t open /dev/sr0: No medium found" like here: https://community.theforeman.org/t/installing-ubuntu-via-pxe/20109
[17:49] <TJ-> MICROburst: sr0 == Scsi Removable device (CD-ROM) - so presumably the installer is looking for the mounted image where it thought it had booted from (thinking it is booting locally )
[19:48] <xibalba> when i configure an ipv6 address with /128 on my loopback interface via netplan it keeps coming up as a /64. should that be expected?
[20:09] <MICROburst> TJ-: I know that sr0 is the CDROM, vmlinuz and initrd are taken from an .iso-file. Do I need *.seed or how can I fix it?
[20:18] <rbasak> MICROburst: have you tried https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/netboot-amd64?
[20:20] <genii> There's also http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[23:02] <gotcha> hey guys, im trying to add a static ip to a second card in 20.04, its different than it was in 18.04, this is what i have it set to https://i.imgur.com/Tk1a6bQ.png
[23:02] <gotcha> any idea why it doesnt work?
[23:03] <Ussat> initial thoughts are your indents are wrong
[23:03] <Ussat> YALM is VERY picky
[23:03] <Ussat> TAML
[23:03] <Ussat> YAML
[23:03] <Ussat> ....
[23:04] <Ussat> ya that
[23:04] <gotcha> this is what it gets me when i run netplan apply https://i.imgur.com/fX7rwBZ.png
[23:04] <gotcha> im using screenshots cuz its a VM and i cant copy/paste to pastebin
[23:05] <sarnold> gotcha: wild guess territory, move that version: 2 up above the ethernets: line
[23:05] <Ussat> Well, there ya go, indentation
[23:05] <Ussat> and what sarnold said
[23:05] <Ussat> I have gotten REAL familiar with YAML because of ansible
[23:06] <gotcha> ok.. the first part was set to static while i was installing the OS so i didnt touch that
[23:06] <sarnold> heh I'm still in the 'flail around wildly trying to make it work' stage of yaml
[23:06] <gotcha> i added the eth1: and below
[23:06] <Ussat> That stage never ends sarnold
[23:07]  * sarnold sobs
[23:07] <Ussat> either does the sobbing stage
[23:07] <sarnold> lol
[23:09] <gotcha> ok, 'netplan apply' worked and the new static ip is showing
[23:09] <gotcha> but i still cant get online..
[23:09] <gotcha> just so you guys know what ive done is this ubuntu has 2 virtual cards
[23:09] <gotcha> one is local and has no internet access and the second does
[23:12] <Ussat> OK.....here is a paste example of what I am useing: https://paste.centos.org/view/634bd00c
[23:12] <Ussat> Note how I define nameservers
[23:14] <Ussat> and yes, thats how you do bonding in Ubuntu :)
[23:15] <sarnold> gotcha: it probably doesn't make sense to put two gateway4: in the thing
[23:16] <sarnold> man does 'find in page' work for anyone on https://netplan.io/reference/ ?
[23:16] <Ussat> Well, they are seperate nic's so yes, you need to define it for both
[23:18] <gotcha> true.. i missed that
[23:18] <gotcha> here is a dumb question, why did they change to netplan?
[23:19] <sarnold> systemd-networkd files aren't super-fun to write
[23:19] <Ussat> ^^
[23:19] <Ussat> Netplan is a really nice front end
[23:19] <Ussat> 'its just, YAML sucks
[23:19] <sarnold> there's a bit in that page that says "There should only be a single gateway
[23:19] <sarnold> set in your global config, to make it unambiguous. If you need multiple
[23:19] <sarnold> default routes, please define them via routing-policy."
[23:19] <sarnold> -- it's located about a quarter of the way through the page
[23:19] <Ussat> eh....
[23:19] <Ussat> I find that page...lacking
[23:19] <sarnold> amen
[23:21] <Ussat> Here is a good example:
[23:21] <Ussat> https://paste.centos.org/view/754ed4e6
[23:21] <Ussat> Oick and choose from that
[23:23] <Ussat> also: https://netplan.io/examples/
[23:25] <sarnold> that's a great example Ussat
[23:25] <Ussat> also https://codebeautify.org/yaml-validator/cbd763fb


 hope you filed the upgrade testcase :D (re @MrkiMike: UbuntuMATE 20.04, so far, beautiful :D)
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> anyone on -desktop try this please bug #1872802
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> other graphic cards might be interesting to test this
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: just for info, had one of our volunteers have this on kubuntu https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DFs6FwPDYG/
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> someone helped him to dpkg force things to fix
[06:56] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: thanks. I will fix that later today
[07:48] <andres_> Hi all! My name is andres, noob on linux and this is my first time I test an ubuntu version. I hve found 3 things I dont know what is the problem.
[07:49] <andres_> I'm testing Kubuntu 20.04
[07:51] <andres_> first: When I install a theme on global themes menu, if I want to unninstall the theme I dont see the remove icon when I put the mouse on theme to be uninstall. I have to open the press the "get new global themes" button and search the theme and click to uninstall button
[07:53] <andres_> second: If I remove a theme, this theme does not disappear from themes window.
[07:57] <andres_> third: I'm not able to close window with double click on menu icon from window. I dont know if it is a problem or not because this problem run with a lot installed themes not by default.
[11:55] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksmtp/19.12.3-0ubuntu2
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> tnx RikMills
 welcome geremias
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[15:09] <ubuntu-tester94w> im testing ubuntu studio 20.04 since 3 days, wifi keeps disconnecting im not sure if this is a known bug
[15:10] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-tester94w: So, you're the first person to mention this out of possibly hundreds of people. Sounds like a hardware problem on your end.
 ubuntu-tester94w: does this happen with previous versions of ubuntu?
[15:11] <ubuntu-tester94w> thats why i said im not sure + i can call myself a newbie in linux but i want to help as much as i can
 geremias which flavor are you testing today?
[15:11] <ubuntu-tester94w> it doesnt happen on 18.04
[15:12] <ubuntu-tester94w> im using ubuntu studio
[15:12] <oerheks> what wireless chipset exactly?
[15:12] <ubuntu-tester94w> it happened also on 19.10
[15:12] <oerheks> some are known troublemakers
 if it didnt happen in 18.04 then it sounds like a regression and you should file a bug for it
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> @philipz: Not necessarily. Some chipsets are known troublemakers with newer kernels.
[15:13] <ubuntu-tester94w> broadcom 802.11 linux sta wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source (proprietary)
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that might be why. Broadcom wireless is known to be problematic.
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> Especially with the lowlatency flavor of the kernel.
[15:14] <ubuntu-tester94w> ok thank you for that. if i disable that is there a way to use another one?
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-tester94w: Try installing the linux-generic kernel and see if that helps. The lowlatency kernel is only useful if you're doing lowlatency audio work.
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> And, if you're doing lowlatency audio work, it's best to disable wifi anyhow.
[15:15] <ubuntu-tester94w> indeed thats why i got the ubuntu studio. planning to use it for audio production.
[15:16] <ubuntu-tester94w> yes you are right
[15:16] <ubuntu-tester94w> i will cope with that. waiting to get a thinkpad and try it there also
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-tester94w: Then yeah. Disabling wifi is best when doing audio work as it tends to interfere and cause xruns.
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> You can, however, have both kernels installed simultaneously and boot to whichever you want.
 Has anyone tried smplayer recently on focal? The upstream new versions (we don't have) say they fix compatibility with mpv 0.32, which we do have. Implying that our smplayer version might be broken with our mpv.
 or can anyone test :)
[15:50] <oerheks> smplayer 19.10.2~ds0-1build1  is current
 no, it's not
[15:51] <RikMills> latest is 20.4.2
[15:51] <RikMills> https://www.smplayer.info/en/changes
[15:51] <RikMills> 'Support for mpv 0.32'
[15:52] <RikMills> oerheks: oh, you mean our current? yes, that is true
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> tested, seems to working here RikMills
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> anything specific we should try?
[15:53] <RikMills> lotuspsychje: sadly it does not say what was changed to support the new mpv
[15:56] <RikMills> if it is not massively or obviously broken, might be patches to cherry pick if bugs get reported
[15:57] <RikMills> previous updates for mpv compatibility were because some controls did not work with the new mpv. i.e. mpv had changed the commands/codes needed to be sent to it
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> RikMills: i cant see things broken on smplayer or mpv yet here
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> both playing movie like a charm
[15:58] <RikMills> good. hopefully it mean any issue the upstream author fixed is minor :)
[16:08] <ubuntu-tester97w> anyone having issues with snap store on ubuntu studio? it looks like a gui bug
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> elaborate ubuntu-tester97w whats happening exactly?
[16:11] <ubuntu-tester97w> ubuntu studio 20.04 beta, when i open snap store it appears transparent and windows dimension weird
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester97w: im getting weird things aswell, but i presume its still being worked on
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> im on -desktop, and when opening snap store, ubuntu software launches, update of snap store is showing but im getting error updating it
[16:16] <ubuntu-tester97w> it seems to work btw but its completely transparent, i can see the icons, and i see my desktop through
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> maybe popey or Eickmeyer know more of this?
[16:16] <popey> hello
[16:16] <popey> wassup?
[16:17] <ubuntu-tester97w> hi there. so snao store looks completely transparent, i can see the icons, and i see my desktop through
[16:17] <ubuntu-tester97w> snap*
[16:17] <popey> can you put a screenshot in imgur or something?
[16:17] <ubuntu-tester97w> yes right now
[16:18] <popey> thanks
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> im just getting update problems https://imgur.com/a/F0AdmuA
[16:19] <ubuntu-tester97w> https://postimg.cc/qzZqMDsM
[16:19] <popey> ooh funky
[16:20] <popey> env | grep SESS
[16:20] <popey> you running wayland or x11?
[16:20] <ubuntu-tester97w> just ubuntu studio straight, didnt check if its wayland or x11
[16:21] <popey> if you open a terminal and run "env | grep SESS" it will tell you
[16:21] <popey> XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11
[16:21] <popey> or just echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:22] <popey> also try from a terminal "sudo snap refresh snap-store --edge" and then restart your session, see if that "fixes" it (I am not convinced it will)
[16:22] <ubuntu-tester97w> x11
[16:22] <popey> ok, good
[16:23] <ubuntu-tester97w> im doing the refresh
[16:23] <ubuntu-tester97w> lets see
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> update issue fixed, with update-manager auto snap updates here
[16:28] <ubuntu-tester27w> ok so i tried sudo snap refresh snap-store --edge and restarted and now snap store is missing popey
[16:28] <popey> it's probably called "Ubuntu software" in the menu?
[16:28] <popey> (which is what it should be on ubuntu )
[16:29] <popey> (i am asking you to try this because edge contains latest build of the application, and if fixed there, means we don't need a bug filed)
[16:29] <ubuntu-tester27w> no its the same :/
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> clicking the snap-store open now ubuntu software on -desktop
[16:30] <popey> ok, I would file a bug with a screenshot then please. https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/
[16:30] <ubuntu-tester27w> ok thnks
[16:39] <popey> ubuntu-tester27w are you based in the USA?
[16:39] <ubuntu-tester27w> no
[16:40] <ubuntu-tester27w> Albania
[16:40] <popey> Good, can I ask you to tell me which mirror is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list) ?
[16:40] <popey> and did you change mirror, or did it auto-choose the one listed there
[16:40] <ubuntu-tester27w> yes i changed to main
[16:40] <popey> ah okay
[16:40] <popey> never mind then
[16:41]  * popey wonders what calamares does, if it uses a local mirror or not.
 i think @ItzSwirlz reported this same transparency a while back
 ?
 i know ubuntu for weirdly adding the weird cd-rom apt repo thing (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <popey> wonders what calamares does, if it uses a local mirror or not.)
 was it you who found transparency issue with snap store
 no
 i'm doing release notes right now xD
 my mistake, but i do remember someone mentioning it here.
 its fine
 damn. Cinnamon v4.0.10 to v4.4.8-3
 A lot has changed lol
 here it was (re @Udange: )
 hm
 Okay so
 ugh forgot what i was going to say, horray
 oh eys
 oh yes (edited)
 As mentioned, Ubuntu Cinnamon's theme is pretty problematic. We can all agree it's not the best
 I think instead we will fork Mint themes-well not exactly fork
 Instead, use their compiler thing to build a #DD682A theme
 Udange did you file a bug report for the transparent software center bug you reported?
 ubuntu-tester27w: do paste the link here once you file the bug
[17:00] <ubuntu-tester26w> ubuntutestingbot i will do that
[17:00] <ubuntu-tester26w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1873033
 thanks ubuntu-tester27w. please give as much info on your system to help with tracking down the issue.
 possibly copy and paste the output of 'inxi -b'
[17:04] <ubuntu-tester26w> ok sure
[17:05] <ubuntu-tester26w> shpuld i write system info in the bug description section?
 found a duplidoge and its saying that its a theming issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1867417
 calamres-settings-ubuntu has a python script to set the sources based on GeoIP. If it can't determine the Geolodogion it uses main. (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <popey> wonders what calamares does, if it uses a local mirror or not.)
 Are ubuntu flavors/remixes allowed to choose their own GRUB theme that isn't like Ubuntu's-something a little more different like Linux Mint or a more glossy selector?
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirls Yes, I created a custom GRUB theme for Studio.
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> MATE started it.
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> Feel free to fork.
 more polls :p
 alright-heres the Ubuntu Cinnamon 20.04 Release Notes. Will deal with images later https://docs.google.com/document/d/1McPbDnXTP4W8EbqvRP3QKfEqW-fYH97oeqkPK4r0mwY/edit?usp=sharing
 (private link)
[18:18] <ubuntu-tester26w> when i try to resize any window in ubuntu studio 20.04 (beta), goinf to the right bottom corner its pretty difficult to get the proper arrow for the specific type. it would be great for this to be much easier if possible
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-tester26w: Limitation of the GTK theme, I'm afraid.
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> Actually, it's a limitation of Xfce.
[18:25] <ubuntu-tester26w> Eickmeyer is there any workaround or maybe request feature to xfce developers
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-tester26w: alt-space, resize
[18:26] <ubuntu-tester26w> yeah great :)
 or alt + right-click + drag
 https://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[18:29] <ubuntu-tester26w> ubuntutestingbot thnks!
[22:13] <bduncan> hey, i've been  running the kubuntu beta upgraded from eoan for about a month now. today i tried to upgrade some packages for the new kde upstream release and it looks like some packages are missing... aptitude's resolver says the problem is: libkf5akonadicore5abi1 depends upon libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2 (= 4:19.04.3-0ubuntu6) and libkf5eventviews5 depends upon libkf5akonadicore5abi1 (>= 4:19.04.3). should i file a
[22:13] <bduncan> bug about this? seems like it might be a simple oversight which will be fixed soon...
[22:23] <ubuntu-tester13w> extracting .tar.xz on ubuntu studio 20.04(beta) seems to not work well. after extract here, the folder does not show. after closing and opening the file manager than its there
[22:24] <ubuntu-tester13w> but it may happen that even reopening the file manager will not work. i would need to extract one more time and than it will show 2 folders
[22:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> bduncan: There's a lot of stuff getting upgraded still. I'd be patient before filing a bug.
[22:29] <ubuntu-tester13w> https://postimg.cc/S2LGTQ9S
[22:30] <ubuntu-tester13w> here it is how it looks after being extracted
[22:30] <ubuntu-tester13w> it shows like a text file beneath
[22:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> ubuntu-tester97w: I'm unable to reproduce. @philipz, have you had that issue on Xubuntu? ^ (Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio use the same DE, file extractor, and file manager).
[22:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sorry, ubuntu-tester97w^
[22:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Dangit... ubuntu-tester-13w^
[22:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> ubuntu-tester-13w: Thunar can be slow sometimes, not sure if it's a known bug or not.
[22:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Xubuntu team handles anything Xfce-related like that.
[22:35] <ubuntu-tester13w> yeah i noticed that it takes a bit to extract indeed
[22:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> The file extractor is Engrampa, which is a MATE tool iirc.
[22:36] <ubuntu-tester13w> i will need to wait and see
[22:39] <bduncan> Eickmeyer[m]: no problem thanks
[23:05] <bduncan> my googling skills are weak. is there a way i can watch/follow/rss updates to the ubuntu repositories? frantically hitting "update" seems backwards
 Eickmeyer[m]: no problem on xubuntu for me
[23:10] <RikMills> bduncan: the lower versions of those packages should not be needed any more, but it looks like yesterday launchpad had a glitch when copying the newer .debs that don't need them :(
[23:11] <RikMills> I am talking to archive admins
[23:12] <RikMills> apparently this is something that could happen, but they have never seen before!
[23:12] <RikMills> I am so lucky! lol
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Fancy odds. Too bad you couldn't have used those at a casino.


[21:31] <Ben64> it isn't
[21:32] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  nope.  sorry :(   Same story... login screen looked fine... then, "System Problem Detected"...then black screen
[21:32] <Ben64> sebboh: try purging fred*
[21:33] <Lorne2016> Eric^^   (sorry... meaning , login screen looked good...I typed my password...saw error message...black screen for 60 secs....now back on login screen)
[21:33] <streulma> Lorne2016 that seems to be a video driver problem
[21:34] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: can you get grub if you hold shift?
[21:34] <sebboh> Ben64, ok, you win.  `apt-cache show fred*|grep ^Package` returns non-sense results.
[21:34] <Ben64> sebboh: :)
[21:35] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ during bootup right?   (I couldn't before...but I could get to it from the thumbdrive boot....)   I'll try again now
[21:35] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: ok
[21:35] <Lorne2016> streulma :  Yes - Nvidia... I actually have the driver file thingy on hard drive...
[21:38] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  ok - nothing happened holding shift... and ctrl-alt-F1 just sent the screen black also...
[21:38] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: Actually, if you're getting the GUI Greeter (login screen) your video is working.
[21:38] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: It sounds a lot like you might have run a GUI app as root and messed up some permissions in $HOME.
[21:39] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: You could test it by creating a different user (in a console) and logging in as that user.
[21:39] <Lorne2016> jhutchins - OK .... can you walk me thru that?
[21:39] <jhutchins> sudo useradd user && sudo passwd user
[21:40] <SynfulAck> Is there a general command to show graphics hardware for bug reports? Not sure if they wanted more info than a model.
[21:40] <Lorne2016> jhutchins ...I have a guest user...but that also gives me the same black screen...
[21:40] <SynfulAck> all i could think of was lspci
[21:40] <sebboh> Ben64, oh, apt uses regular expressions!  Perhaps with some additional mangling...?  Or, hm, I guess I could have been feeding apt and friends invalid queries that just happened to also be valid enough to return what I was actually looking for... for all these years?  It boggles the mind.  See, I know regular expressions. :P
[21:41] <pavlos> SynfulAck, sudo lshw -C display
[21:41] <Lorne2016> jhutchins but how do I get to a cmd screen?   (before I booted from a thumbdrive into a "try ubuntu" environment.. you want me to do that?)
[21:42] <Ben64> sebboh: the moral of the story is.. "don't hit ok before you read"
[21:42] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: Ctrl-Alt-F1
[21:42] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: try disabling fastboot in the bios, you might get grub when you hold shift
[21:42] <SynfulAck> pavlos, haha nice this is indepth, thx.
[21:43] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ ok - will do...
[21:43] <pavlos> SynfulAck, there is also an inxi command (you may have to install it) that gives hw info
[21:43] <Lorne2016> jhutchins atrl alt F1 just blacks the screen too
[21:44] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: Hit a key, see if it comes up.
[21:45] <sebboh> ok apt-cache surely does some additional mangling...  Ben64, not just that... I have almost 20 years of experience at the command line and I'm looking at these results and them make little sense to me.  for i in bash bash* bas bas.* bash.* bash.+; do echo Now trying $i ...; apt-cache show $i|grep ^Package; done
[21:45] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: The gui is at the login screen, right?
[21:45] <sebboh> See there's obviously some mode-switching going on...  apt-cache sees the * without a . and interprets it under different rules than if I use * with a .
[21:45] <Lorne2016> jhutchins yeah - the logins screen has a nice pic...and the mouse... yeah...
[21:46] <Ben64> sebboh: i knew the reason before, can't recall right now, at work
[21:46] <sebboh> Ben64 ^^
[21:46] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: But no console 1?
[21:46] <jhutchins> !rescue
[21:46] <Ben64> work makes my brain not work good
[21:46] <jhutchins> Lorne2016: You could try that.
[21:48] <egonsen> how can i find out how a specific binary of my ubuntu installation was compiled? in my case i want to know this for /usr/bin/qtchooser because there must be a #define in the source code which is not included in the standard cpp file of this application
[21:51] <sebboh> egonsen: you may be interested in the command `apt-get source <package>` (N.B. this writes to the current directory!!) and the apt-get build-deb <package> command.
[21:53] <Lorne2016> jhutchins its still not working... I get no response with holding shit (it just goes onto regular login screen)
[21:53] <Lorne2016> EriC^^ apparently Fastboot was already disabled...
[21:54] <Lorne2016> EriC^^  I'm thinking I wanna go back to banging on 16.10 and seeing if that fixes it....?
[21:54] <jasondockers> is there an equivalent package of ia32-libs for ubuntu 14.04?
[21:55] <jasondockers> i need to run a 32 bit program on 64 bit ubuntu 14.04
[21:56] <Lorne2016> Eric^^   but if i do that - do I need to edit the command line to add nomodeset to it???
[21:57] <jasondockers> never mind, I'll just add an old ubuntu release to sources.list.d with ia32-libs
[21:59] <tgm4883> jasondockers: wow that seems like a bad idea. Why not just install the libs you need?
[21:59] <jasondockers> tgm4883, too late
[22:00] <jasondockers> i'll just remove it from list when I'm done
[22:00] <tgm4883> jasondockers: ok, well make sure to preface any questions you have here with what you've done
[22:03] <OverCoder> Hello everyone
[22:03] <OverCoder> I have two internet connections, both wireless ones, how do I go by load-balancing them?
[22:03] <OverCoder> Round Robin or something
[22:04] <tgm4883> OverCoder: you have 2 wireless NICs?
[22:04] <OverCoder> yep
[22:04] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: yeah i guess so
[22:05] <Lorne2016> Eric^^   ...I'm going ahead with it....
[22:06] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: ok
[22:09] <jasondockers> tgm4883, that's what vm backups are for :)
[22:09] <Lorne2016> Eric^^   Ok the installer crashed because the GRUB bootloader wouldn't copy ....
[22:10] <tgm4883> jasondockers: I'd be surprised if you had good backups
[22:10] <jasondockers> tgm4883, gee, thanks.
[22:10] <jasondockers> tgm4883, why?
[22:11] <tgm4883> jasondockers: well TBH, most people that come in here looking for help don't have any backups
[22:11] <Loshki> OverCoder: check out bonding. I don't know if it works with wifi, though. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
[22:12] <Exterminador> hello guys! just a noob question: can i install Xubuntu 64bits in dual boot with windows 10 32 bits? :x
[22:13] <jasondockers> tgm4883, last week I accidentally changed ownership of the entire filesystem to a non-root user. so, low expectations are reasonable.
[22:13] <Loshki> Exterminador: yes, as long as the processor itself supports 64 bit, you can run any 32-bit or 64-bit OS on it
[22:14] <Exterminador> Loshki, grub wont mess up with windows? as i have windows 10 32 bits
[22:14] <Exterminador> :x
[22:15] <Loshki> Exterminador: if you install windows first, then install *buntu, grub will recognize and allow you to boot into windows or linux.
[22:16] <Exterminador> yes, windows is installed.. and xubuntu 32bits also. but stremio have support only for 64bits
[22:16] <Exterminador> that's why i wanna install Xubuntu 64bits
[22:18] <Loshki> Exterminador: you need to check if your cpu will handle 64 bits. "uname -a" should tell.
[22:18] <OverCoder> Loshki: no config provided for wifi
[22:18] <OverCoder> and I'm not a very geeky linuxer either :P
[22:19] <Exterminador> Loshki, brb and will tell u
[22:19] <jasondockers> lscpu will get you even more relevant info?
[22:20] <Ramone> hey there... anyone know how to update chromium?  it always seems to update, but also always shows the same old version in chrome://help .  Can anyone throw me a clue?
[22:21] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: try with nomodeset + try ubuntu
[22:21] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  not sure what you mean
[22:22] <EriC^^> like you did before
[22:23] <Lorne2016> EriC^^   I (e)dited the install command to add nomodeset...and that got the installation going...but it failed halfway thru.... are you saying I should edit with "nomodeset + try ubuntu"...?
[22:23] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ or are you suggesting I try to fix the system by using the "try' option?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> !info chromium-browser xenial | Ramone
[22:26] <Loshki> Ramone: what happens when you do "sudo apt-get upgrade chromium-browser"?
[22:26] <Ramone> oh maybe I do have the latest in the repo
[22:27] <Ramone> pretty sure it's on 55.x.x though
[22:32] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: oh
[22:33] <Exterminador> Loshki, "uname -a" and lscpu output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23600557/
[22:33] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: try nomodeset with the try ubuntu option
[22:33] <EriC^^> then you can install grub manually, did it mention why it failed at all?
[22:34] <Exterminador> so, i guess i can install Xubuntu 64bits.. as long as that dont mess up with booting 32bits Windows 10. :x
[22:35] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  something about failing to copy... I'm trying again...
[22:36] <Loshki> Exterminador: that's a T4300 pentium. It definitely supports 64-bit. You might consider upgrading your 32-bit distros. It should run Xubuntu easily, and grub should handle all 3 oses gracefully. And if not, that's why we have backups.
[22:36] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ just failed again... the 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install onto /target/
[22:40] <Exterminador> Loshki, so the best is to format the laptop and install Windows 64bits and Xubuntu 64bits also. but i can also keep Windows 32bits and install Xubuntu 64bits. am i correct? :D
[22:40] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: can you press the left arrow? it expands a terminal below the installer
[22:41] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ lol...sorry...I'm WAY beyond that now!   Now I'm burking my system in ungodly ways....
[22:42] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  ...currently working on making a new installer drive...to go back to 16.04....
[22:42] <Loshki> Exterminador: correct. Also, there's nothing to stop you installing Xubuntu 64bit, and then deciding to upgrade the other distros to 64 bit at some later date, at your leisure.
[22:42] <Lorne2016> eric^^  my system looks fried...I think I lost everything
[22:42] <JaBaZ> Is this right place to ask about Ubuntu Snappy Core for Rpi 2?
[22:42] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: no worries
[22:42] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: boot the live usb with nomodeset and try ubuntu
[22:43] <Lorne2016> EriC^^  I'm on the verge of tearing out the NVIDIA card altogether and dropkicking the whole box across the room
[22:43] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: it'll be ok
[22:43] <Exterminador> Loshki, right then. any tool you recommend to create a bootable usb stick on Xubuntu? on Windows i use Rufus..
[22:43] <Bashing-om> !snappy | JaBaZ Maybe better response here :
[22:44] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: i've borked mine as well while installing
[22:44] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  I only just learned the word 'bork' today...and I'm already using it firsthand... :(
[22:44] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: heh :D
[22:45] <Exterminador> what's that?! :x
[22:45] <JaBaZ> Okay, thanks!
[22:46] <Loshki> Exterminador: you can download the xubuntu iso from the website. the CD-image(iso) file can be use to create bootable USBs or boot-CDs. To make a bootable USB, use the "startup disk creator".
[22:46] <Lorne2016> Eric^^   while we're waiting ... wanted to let yo uknow I have the NVIDIA driver (installation exe thing) on my home dir somewhere...in the past, when it gave me isues, I could re-run it and that would fix it
[22:47] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: ok
[22:47] <Exterminador> Loshki, thanks a lot! :D i'll try it later and i'll give some feedback
[22:51] <Exterminador> btw, how can i check if my hdd is fine or starting to die? any cmd?
[22:52] <Lorne2016> EriC^^  ok - so I made a startup disk for 14.01.1 - and it booted right into the original login (orange) screen...so I ctrl-alt-F1 - and its asking for login credentials
[22:52] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  and my regular ones aren't working
[22:53] <pavlos> Exterminador, if you install smartmontools, there is command, smartctl /dev/hdd to give you info
[22:53] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: ok, try logging into the gui with the user ubuntu
[22:53] <EriC^^> without a password
[22:54] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  ok... rebooting again....
[22:56] <pavlos> Exterminador, sample output ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/23600635/
[22:59] <Exterminador> and what are the main things i should look at? to see if it's working fine?
[22:59] <Lorne2016> Eric^^   Ok - for some reason it was having trouble booting with the boot disc in... so I took it out and tried again... then (for the first time) I saw the Grub screen!!! With Advanced Options an the other thing...
[23:00] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  ...I wanted to tell you about it...so I didn't choose any options and now the screen has turned off
[23:01] <ModFather> Hi There, does anyone know why i am getting: Authentication failure on syslog? its about cron
[23:02] <ModFather> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23600655/
[23:02] <ModFather> CRON[1529]: Authentication failure
[23:03] <pavlos> Exterminador, line 57 read error rate, line 61 seek error, line 66 temp in Celsius, column TYPE Pre-Fail is time to change. Read on smartctl
[23:09] <pavlos> ModFather, /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are out of sync. Are there entries in /var/log/auth.log ?
[23:10] <Exterminador> pavlos: thanks. but as long as SMART overall-health self-assessement test result says PASSED, i guess i dont need to worry much, right?
[23:10] <ModFather> pavlos yes
[23:10] <pavlos> Exterminador, I agree
[23:11] <ModFather> pavlos i see many entries
[23:11] <Exterminador> mine on raw_read_error_rate gaved me raw_value 128 :x
[23:11] <pavlos> ModFather, some help ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140565
[23:12] <ModFather> pavlos se euxaristw man
[23:12] <pavlos> Exterminador, if the RAW value is higher than the threshold ... could be an issue
[23:12] <pavlos> ModFather, nasai kala
[23:13] <Exterminador> pavlos: then i'm doomed.. lol
[23:13] <ModFather> pavlos http://paste.ubuntu.com/23600772/ what do you think it can be?
[23:14] <Exterminador> spin_up_time: 1733 :x
[23:14] <pavlos> Exterminador, backup your system
[23:15] <Exterminador> i guess it's time to spend some money in a SSD or a new HDD
[23:15] <Exterminador> lol
[23:15] <pavlos> ModFather, root tried to login on tty7 ... hmmm
[23:16] <Exterminador> temperature is at 53!! :x i really need to upgrade this laptop
[23:16] <ModFather> do you think its a hack?
[23:16] <Exterminador> lol
[23:16] <pavlos> ModFather, are you using LDAP?
[23:17] <ModFather> i dont think so, i am using a rackspacec-cloud server for 1 simple website..
[23:17] <ModFather> maybe its the console of rackspace which i used someday ?
[23:17] <pavlos> ModFather, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/ssh-login-failed-pam_unix-authentication-failure-error-4175489975/
[23:18] <pavlos> ModFather, might be just a hiccup
[23:18] <ModFather> huccup by mean?
[23:18] <pavlos> ModFather, what the OS
[23:19] <pavlos> ModFather, what is
[23:19] <ModFather> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[23:20] <mkquist> Jordan_U: ok, so the goal was to copy the original to a new location and  delete the original, that way no reconfiguring a new install...
[23:20] <mkquist> Jordan_U: thoughts?
[23:20] <ModFather> pavlos  my issue is that, it stopped executing an sh command from the crontab
[23:20] <ModFather> and i check on the syslog this error
[23:23] <ModFather> ahhh
[23:23] <ModFather> i had usePAM set to no on sshd_config
[23:26] <pavlos> ModFather, so when you tried to ssh, it complained
[23:26] <ModFather> yep
[23:27] <ModFather> as i know cron use pam
[23:27] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: i got dc
[23:27] <ModFather> sshd_config had usePam set to no
[23:27] <ModFather> hm
[23:27] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: were you able to boot try ubuntu?
[23:27] <pavlos> Exterminador, can you pastebin the output of smartctl <device>
[23:28] <Exterminador> pavlos: not now. i've just shutted it down. :/
[23:29] <pavlos> Exterminador, np
[23:29] <Lorne2016> Eric^^  nope... its completely fried now
[23:29] <Exterminador> well. time to sleep. laters folks
[23:30] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: why?
[23:30] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ its not booting at all now... not even with the bootstick I made
[23:31] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ screen goes black.... and now I have 3 screaming kids who want dinner....
[23:31] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ so I can't keep working on this
[23:33] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: ok, after dinner then?
[23:33] <ModFather> pavlos i still getting authentication failure everytime my cron runs. on authlog i see no entries when this happens
[23:33] <ModFather> what can cause this?
[23:33] <Lorne2016> Eric^^ maybe tomorrow... I've been working 5 hrs+ on this...and I'm fried myself
[23:34] <EriC^^> Lorne2016: ok, have a good evening
[23:35] <ModFather> shadow is empty shadow- it has entries... really weird
[23:38] <puffinz> How do I change ubuntu default run level so I don't get a GUI greater (GDM)?
[23:38] <ModFather> i just copied shadow- to shadow and now it working phew...
[23:38] <puffinz> I tried gdm3.conf and the gdm.override but they are old methods.
[23:38] <puffinz> Some how gdm snaked it was into starting
[23:39] <kk4ewt> puffinz,  edit in grub add 3 to the end of the kernelline
[23:39] <kk4ewt> and it will boot to terminal
[23:39] <ModFather> pavlos thanks man!!!! have a great night
[23:42] <pavlos> ModFather, ditto
[23:44] <puffinz> found it, Thank you.


[16:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: what I haven't said is that the zita command defaults to 48000 instead of the 44100 he is using for the focusrite
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> Huh.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Using an @ before a Telegram user's handle highlights them.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer> The handle itself doesn't highlight like IRC does. Inconvenient, I know, but also good to know.
[16:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I have come across Audio devices with one speed only... some are 48000, some 44100 and some even 96000 :P
[16:35] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I've come across that as well.
[21:57]  * teward salts Eickmeyer / Eickmeyer[m]
[22:12]  * Eickmeyer peppers teward
[22:12] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, was EPLAYINGGAME
[22:12]  * teward places antimatter everywhere then watches everything be destroyed violently
[22:12] <teward> oh good so you can reply to my messages now
[22:12] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[23:40] <OvenWerks> 19.10 apt update takes a while today
[23:40] <OvenWerks> Maybe it's because there are 766 packages I can update
[23:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: -controls has been released?
[23:47]  * OvenWerks guesses he will find out soon
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, but there's nothing stopping me from uploading a new version.
[23:47] <OvenWerks> hmm, 8% maybe not so soon
[23:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: not a problem I was just wondering why my 19.10 controls was old
[23:49] <OvenWerks> I am just testing my newest grub bits... works so far but there is only one kernel.
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> Well, anything with a ~ suffix is treated as older than anything in the archive. For instance, 0.44~19.04 is older than 0.44.
[23:49] <OvenWerks> I will have two soon and then test and then add generic
[23:49] <OvenWerks> and test again.
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> Fun.
[23:51] <OvenWerks> so if "Joe Tester" shows up anywhere :)
[23:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: dispite my comment about controls needing more love, I don't know that I will be doing more this cycle. Particularly in the way of per device settings. That would be a lot of work.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> installer going back to the install screen... maybe.
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha. I think it's pretty good as it is, but if you have anything else to change/fix, now is the time.
[23:56] <OvenWerks> -default-settings for sure
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Got that done yet, or still testing?
[23:57] <OvenWerks> still testing for a while
[23:58] <OvenWerks> The logic doesn't feel right, but when I fix it, it gets worse :P
[23:59] <OvenWerks> Ahh, I think I know why it worked.


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[02:21] <lifeless> wgrant: ^ :(
[03:19] <wgrant> lifeless: :( Why does it keep creeping up :(
[03:19] <wgrant> But you should totally go and start pestering Bugs about theirs while you still can :P
[03:24] <lifeless> I'm not pestering 'soyuz', I'm pestering you.
[03:26] <wgrant> Yeah. I'll look at it when I return on Tuesday.


[07:58] <mickle> hi
[07:58] <mickle> I have question
[07:58] <mickle> ?
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[07:59] <mickle> HI
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[00:45] <bluefoxicy>  1531 root      20   0  350m 166m  11m R   85  4.5   0:27.97 update-apt-xapi
[00:45] <bluefoxicy> what is this process
[00:49] <cjwatson> update-apt-xapian-index
[00:52] <bluefoxicy> cjwatson:  it eats a LOT of CPU, for reasons I'm not sure of.
[06:31] <lucidfox> bluefoxicy, I also ran into that problem
[06:31] <lucidfox> with update-apt-xapian-index hogging CPU
[06:33] <ohsix> slow drive / lots of files? it's ran periodically and niced; it will use some cpu to do its work
[07:07] <lucidfox> "Some" CPU? More like 99%
[07:07] <lucidfox> not on this computer, on my work one
[07:08] <lucidfox> Also, what's with the build failures?
[07:09] <lucidfox> actually, wait
[07:10] <lucidfox> hrm
[07:10] <lucidfox> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72114285/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.steadyflow_0.1.6-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:10] <lucidfox> any idea why this is failing?
[07:10] <lucidfox> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:10] <lucidfox>  libnotify4-dev : Depends: libnotify4 (= 0.7.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[07:15] <lucidfox> oh right, libnotify4 was removed from oneiric while the package was in NEW? o_O
[07:29] <ohsix> lucidfox: run it manually and see what it's doing
[07:30] <ohsix> if it isn't i/o bound i don't see why it wouldn't use the cpu available
[07:30] <lucidfox> Well, I fixed it already. It failed because libnotify4-dev was not completely removed from oneiric yet, and the buildd never even considered libnotify-dev
[07:30] <lucidfox> I've removed libnotify4-dev and left only libnotify-dev
[07:32] <ohsix> interesting
[08:09] <lucidfox> ...oh what now... dput is not accepting my signature
[08:12] <lucidfox> Huh, but it did upload
[08:13] <lucidfox> dput complained on .changes about "verification failed 3 times (no public key)", but then I received a mail saying the package did get accepted
[08:37] <Laney> launchpad bug
[09:56] <pitti> hallyn: libcap2> getting it through autosyncs is deal IMHO
[09:56] <pitti> broder: ah, thanks for confirming; that was my impression, too
[09:57] <pitti> SpamapS: ok, will do a round of SRU
[09:59] <cjwatson> doko_: may I merge eina?
[10:00] <doko_> cjwatson: sure, merge anything you can't resist =)
[10:00] <cjwatson> heh, just trying to reduce the FTBFS list a bit
[11:14] <apw> anyone else seeing issues with uploads to ubuntu ?
[11:15] <cjwatson> apw: if it's just verification-failed messages, ignore them
[11:16] <cjwatson> it's a known LP bug
[11:16] <cjwatson> your upload was successful
[11:16] <cjwatson> (I checked)
[11:17] <apw> cjwatson, ahh thanks
[11:38] <cjwatson> oh, for goodness' sake - eina is failing a test of some silly joke function
[11:38] <cjwatson> and doesn't fail on the porter box
[16:00] <bluefoxicy> does Cool'n'Quiet work in Ubuntu?
[16:00] <bluefoxicy> I heard you need powernow-k8 loaded in the kernel
[16:01] <bluefoxicy> which is compiled in
[16:11] <hv> is appmenu not working properly at the moment (oneiric)?
[16:56] <bluefoxicy> yay
[16:56] <bluefoxicy> my 31 line bash script to monitor my CPU temperature works!
[16:56] <bluefoxicy> now if my computer is at risk of overheating, it'll send SIGSTOP to a bunch of stuff and then wait for it to cool down.
[16:59] <ion> How about fixing the cooling instead? :-)
[16:59] <bluefoxicy> ion:  I tried that, too :)
[17:00] <bluefoxicy> i suggested also that maybe a small daemon that throttles back the system in interesting ways when the threat of overheating is present would be useful, and people were vehemently against the idea of software fixing a hardware problem
[17:00] <ion> I should do that for my laptop. The thermal grease probably needs reapplying.
[17:00] <bluefoxicy> The discussion kind of broke down after I recommended to the entire mailing list to remove everything tied to "fsck" since the real solution is to fix your disk/power source
[17:01] <bluefoxicy> there's also that silly checksum thing in the kernel, that checks if dirty blocks are corrupted (due to bad RAM) before writing them back to disk; again, the real solution is to replace the faulty RAM ...
[23:30] <bcurtiswx> i have a 32 bit build machine, is there any way to get it to build a 64 bit debian pacakge ?
[23:31] <penguin42> I don't see why you can't cross build it
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> so how do I do that exactly?
[23:33] <slangasek> it's quite non-trivial today
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> slangasek, hmm, is there a wiki page I should be referencing?
[23:34] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers is one
[23:34] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: Then there are various bits of magic to actually build the packages - none of them are particularly pretty
[23:34] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: xdeb/xapt is the one I've used
[23:34] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: And it doesn't work for all packages
[23:34] <bcurtiswx> penguin42, OK thanks for the links/help :)
[23:35] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: Good luck
[23:35] <slangasek> in theory, an x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc wrapper that simply calls 'gcc -m64 "$@"' would be sufficient, provided that gcc-multilib is installed
[23:35] <cjwatson> FWIW xdeb and xapt are entirely separate projects
[23:36] <slangasek> but actually getting the 64-bit dependencies where you need them requires something like xdeb at the moment, yes
[23:36] <penguin42> yeh? Oh i'd assumed xapt used xdeb
[23:36] <directhex> do they work?
[23:36] <penguin42> directhex: Depends on their mood
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> i thought maybe pbuilder had a special way to create a 64bit build env
[23:37] <cjwatson> no, both xdeb and xapt use dpkg-cross, but they have different philosophies
[23:37] <cjwatson> ultimately, we hope both will be replaced by stage<whatever> multiarch
[23:38] <slangasek> bcurtiswx: the only 64bit build env you can create with pbuilder per se is a *native* 64-bit env; if your machine (or your kernel) is 32-bit, that won't be usable
[23:38] <directhex> you can do 64-bit kernels on 32-bit debian. but afaik not on ubuntu
[23:38] <bcurtiswx> slangasek, yeah that makes sense.  Was worth a thought at least
[23:38] <cjwatson> though, I mean, it's basically the same idea, grab all the dependencies, cross them, install them, build
[23:39] <penguin42> cjwatson: I don't think I'd succeeded in getting xdeb to fetch dependencies for me
[23:39] <cjwatson> xdeb tries to do more work for sequences of builds and is more willing to apply heuristics to get there
[23:39] <slangasek> directhex: well, you can in that you can cross-install an amd64 kernel on your system using multiarch ;P
[23:39] <cjwatson> it worked for me when I wrote it, but it's been a while since I did any work on it :-)
[23:39] <cjwatson> it's wookey's problem nowadays
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> information overload here :) hehe, i appreciate the help tho :)
[23:41] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: What was the package out of interest?
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> penguin42, i've rebased seahorse 3.0.0 with debian, it built and I wanted to test it on my 64 bit machine.. i was hoping there was a "fairly easy" way to cross build, but my laptops quite powerful and i'll just build it on here :)
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> i don't have upload, so i wanted to really verify this package was built well before i went requesting a merge
[23:44] <penguin42> oh I wouldn't give that a good chance of crossbuilding
[23:44] <penguin42> but I'm a pessimist
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> haha, hence my building on my 64 bit laptop
[23:45] <cjwatson> bcurtiswx: you can use a PPA too, if you like
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> cjwatson, yup, i have empathy 3.1 on that for interested parties to test, and if i didn't have the immediate availability to this laptop i would
[23:47] <lfaraone> cjwatson: so in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-apt-mirror-method, we'd just use mirror:// rather than having a mirror picker?
[23:47] <cjwatson> lfaraone: yes
[23:47]  * bcurtiswx waves to lfaraone
[23:47] <cjwatson> or at least rather than requiring a mirror picker - we're not out to destroy people's choice, just to make things work better without everyone having to choose
[23:48] <lfaraone> cjwatson: but would software-properties still have a static list, or would it source its list of mirrors from the mirror method?
[23:48] <cjwatson> I would hope that it wouldn't matter any more
[23:48] <cjwatson> but you'll have to ask mvo, I don't know the details of software-properties
[23:48] <cjwatson> I'm mostly involved in that spec to ensure that the installer is synced up
[23:48]  * penguin42 hopes it requires a signed reply to the list of mirrors
[23:49] <lfaraone> penguin42: why would that matter?
[23:50] <lfaraone> penguin42: if I can MITM the mirror list, I can MITM whichever mirror you select anyway.
[23:50] <penguin42> yeh I guess so
[23:50] <lfaraone> that's why we have http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
[23:51] <cjwatson> I suspect, without having asked, that mvo is no great fan of having to keep a static list of mirrors; but we don't have a specific work item for replacing it
[23:54] <highvoltage> jbicha: congrats on the membership! I thought you were one already :)
[23:55] <lfaraone> hey bcurtiswx
[23:55] <lfaraone> cjwatson: hmm. well, I could do that, I guess. If the mirror:// list was defined somewhere, I could just add a hook to software-properties to poll it whenever you go to change the mirror.
[23:59] <jbicha> highvoltage: thank you, I should have applied sooner


[01:02] <stgraber> sergiusens: around by any chance?
[01:05] <stgraber> ah, I think I may have figured out my issue
[01:18] <sergiusens> stgraber: I sort of am
[01:19] <stgraber> sergiusens: looks like I got confused by LP deciding to use the snapcraft deb when manually triggering builds, making me wonder wth was happening to my arm builds
[01:24] <sergiusens> stgraber: oh, there's an lp-build-snap snap that makes it easy to trigger if interested and LP has a bug where you MUST set the channel for core and snapcraft for the snap to be used.
[01:25] <stgraber> ah, interesting. We don't seem to have the issue when the builds are triggered by git commits though, will just have to keep in mind for when doing manual builds.
[01:26] <sergiusens> stgraber: vcs triggered builds dtrt
[01:27] <stgraber> got a link to the LP bug by any chance
[01:27] <stgraber> if not, I can go dig
[06:56] <zyga> good morning!
[06:56] <zyga> I'm off today, just need to do the paperwork
[07:21] <zyga> ok, paperwork done
[07:30] <pstolowski> morning
[07:41] <pedronis> pstolowski: hi, are you working today?
[07:52] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes
[07:53] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks for udevmonitor stop PR, will review in a bit
[07:53] <pedronis> pstolowski: thx, was about to ask about that
[07:53] <pedronis> pstolowski: also I tried to land #6960, fixed some GetType issues but it seems to be red always for unrelated reasons :/
[07:55] <pstolowski> pedronis: uhm, thank you
[07:56] <pstolowski> i'm having a slow start today, switching ISP this morning and still having a technican here
[08:10] <zyga> Hey hey
[08:10] <zyga> I will do some reviews today
[08:11] <zyga> 7 hours more to go today
[08:14] <zyga> I will look at the race PR from pedronis now
[08:15] <pedronis> zyga: pstolowski will look at it
[08:15] <zyga> aha, it already has one review
[08:15] <zyga> good
[08:15] <zyga> I'm still interested, things like that are tricky and I could learn a thing or two
[08:16] <pedronis> zyga: not stopping you, 6959 is probably something that would be good to unblock
[08:16] <pstolowski> pedronis: +1 for 7018
[08:16] <zyga> pedronis: indeed, I'll look at that too
[08:24] <zyga> pedronis: question about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7018/commits/3ff9725feb595f78d8bcbee0df3c621af9de6419
[08:25] <zyga> pedronis: is this where a thread will see the channel IO arriving but not yet see the value being set to "opinion"?
[08:25] <zyga> pedronis: or did I misunderstood it?
[08:25] <zyga> did I misunderstand*
[08:26] <pedronis> zyga: it fixing go test -race
[08:26] <pedronis> to be honest for those tests I mostly looked at making it happy
[08:27] <pedronis> sometimes tests get extra locking for free that make some things work even if they strictly shouldn't
[08:27] <pedronis> but those weren't that lucky
[08:28] <zyga> mmm, indeed
[08:40] <zyga> pedronis: reviewed, 7018, looking at the other oen
[08:40] <zyga> *one
[08:41] <cjwatson> sergiusens: Could you explain the bug you're describing here?  AFAIK you don't have to explicitly set channels if you're using a base, unless you're using obsolete API methods
[08:45] <pedronis> @zyga: Wait exists basically only for tests
[08:45] <zyga> aha
[09:04] <sergiusens> cjwatson this was the question I asked in Lyon. If channel setting is now longer required that is great and maybe stgraber was using the obsolete API. Does the launchpad webui use the new API?
[09:07] <cjwatson> sergiusens: There's much confusion because there are various different paths (because bases were retrofitted).  The Launchpad web UI uses the new interfaces *unless* you explicitly select architectures
[09:09] <cjwatson> I have a branch in progress to fix that exception that I started in Lyon, so I should probably finish that off
[09:10] <cjwatson> That branch will mean that if you explicitly select architectures then they get passed through and intersected with any other applicable constraints
[10:11] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi, did that comment pointer help?
[10:14] <Chipaca> pedronis: i think so yes
[10:15] <pedronis> pstolowski: 6960 is green
[10:16] <pstolowski> pedronis: great, ty, landing
[11:38] <cjwatson> sergiusens: OK, https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/snap-request-build-explicit-arch-consistency/+merge/369162 should fix this weirdness (just FYI, not asking you to review it)
[11:38] <cjwatson> stgraber: ^-
[11:58] <Chipaca> pedronis_: are we done wrt simplifying retries?
[11:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: are we done wrt simplifying retries?
[11:59] <Chipaca> :)
[12:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: I cannot post anymore as pedronis_ and then it's a dance
[12:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: you mean https://trello.com/c/9GcOfcEG/32-improvement-to-retries-and-request-patterns-for-store ?
[12:02] <Chipaca> pedronis: I meanthttps://trello.com/c/e5wx44jZ/151-simplify-our-retries-for-auto-refreshes-so-not-to-have-fleet-stampeding-at-regular-intervals-on-store-errors
[12:02] <Chipaca> pedronis: but i think i must've been mistaken about it being in Doing
[12:03] <pedronis> Chipaca: but yes, there is still work in that area, if nothing else because as I mentioned retry.v1 works a bit differently than we though it seems and our current param are a bit silly
[12:04] <pedronis> therefore
[12:05] <Chipaca> pedronis: right, but that's the WIP, isn't it?
[12:06] <pedronis> yes
[12:06] <pedronis> if you mean that's why the card I referenced is still in WIP
[12:06] <abeato> pedronis, hey, I am seeing these errors lately: "udevmon.go:146: udev event error: Unable to parse uevent, err: no buffer space available". Is it worth opening a bug?
[12:06] <pedronis> abeato: yes, please
[12:06] <pedronis> ^ pstolowski
[12:07] <abeato> it looks like the size is one page
[12:07] <abeato> ok, let me do that
[12:07] <abeato> (the buffer size)
[12:10] <abeato> pedronis, pstolowski https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1833707
[12:13] <pstolowski> abeato: interesting, thank you
[12:14] <pstolowski> abeato: when you see it happening, can you also run 'udevadm monitor -p' and capture corresponding event(s)?
[12:15] <abeato> pstolowski, sure I can do that
[12:15] <abeato> pstolowski, also, I actually have run in this sort of issues long time ago. The size for these buffers tend to be huge: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/udev/udevadm-monitor.c#L73
[12:16] <abeato> 128*1024*1024
[12:17] <pstolowski> abeato: oh wow, indeed. fwtw the go module we use for this is from 3rd party
[12:17] <abeato> I remember of an issue in Android init related to udev rx buffer size in the UT times :D
[12:18] <pstolowski> abeato: thanks, we can patch it locally quickly since we have own copy of the module, and i'll also report this upstream
[12:18] <abeato> pstolowski, awesome, thanks!
[13:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: standup?
[13:01] <Chipaca> ye
[13:25] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks!
[14:07] <zyga> online again, will do another review
[14:55]  * cachio lunch
[15:08]  * Chipaca weeps at today's xkcd
[16:15] <albertosottile> jdstrand: thanks for granting us the syncplay-server alias. Just a quick question: do I have to update our snapcraft recipe or is the alias automatically installed now that it’s granted?
[16:19] <jdstrand> albertosottile: you're welcome! you don't have to do anything. I'm stepping away for a little bit but feel free to ask other questions if you have them and I'll answer when I get back
[17:56] <popey_> ogra: ok, I have forked your qemu-virgil, added a vm to the snap and updated to core 18, and even after connecting kvm, it refuses to work, permission denied on KVM kernel module
[17:56] <popey_> jdstrand: is there anything weird about the kvm interface that would prevent a 'side-loaded' snap from working?
[17:56] <popey_> (ogras qemu-virgil snap works fine when loaded from the store, but my side-loaded fork of it doesn't work)
[17:56] <popey_> Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied
[17:56] <popey_> qemu-system-x86_64: failed to initialize KVM: Permission denied
[17:57] <albertosottile> jdstrand: the snap should be released on the store now -> https://snapcraft.io/syncplay
[18:43] <kyrofa> zyga, I understand that snaps on Debian aren't confined (at least, not with apparmor). However, even in a snap that sets the PATH in apps, the snap ends up running stuff off the host
[18:43] <kyrofa> zyga, like snapd doesn't reset the PATH like it does elsewhere
[18:43] <kyrofa> Is that possible?
[18:45] <kyrofa> zyga, specifically Nextcloud will run mysql from the host if it's installed on Debian, and I have no idea why
[18:45] <kyrofa> Shouldn't the hostfs be isolated off in /var/lib/snapd/ or something?
[19:03] <kyrofa> zyga, anyway, it's been biting us since the beginning, some love on this bug would be great: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1819734
[19:20] <jdstrand> albertosottile: nice!
[19:20] <jdstrand> popey_: does your user have access to the device?
[19:54] <popey_> jdstrand: the same user using qemu-virgil works though.
[21:02] <jdstrand> popey_: the interface is incredibly simple. the is one apparmor rule and one udev rule, and some logic for loading the right kernel module. that's it
[21:05] <jdstrand> popey_: make sure the interface is connected; look at ls -l /dev/kvm and see the perms and if your user is in that group (use 'id'); see if there are any policy violations; see if the snap is in the device cgroup with udevadm info /dev/kvm (look at the TAGS)


[00:57] <cleary> xnox: thanks
[00:58] <cleary> xnox: btw,ref your chat a few hours ago, the bug I found is that the ubiquity.conf upstart job still exits without error if the debconf db is locked
[01:00] <xnox> cleary: define exits?! what's the output of `status ubiquity`?
[01:00] <cleary> exits == exit 0
[01:01] <cleary> $?=0
[01:04] <cleary> xnox: http://pastebin.ca/2329222
[01:04] <cleary> that's the script component of /etc/init/ubiquity.conf set -x
[01:07] <StevenK> The upstart script won't die because ubiquity did
[01:07] <cleary> there is an if statement in it that caters for some scenarios, but doesn't have a catch-all
[01:08] <cleary> proposed patch: http://pastebin.ca/2329225
[01:08] <StevenK> Both those pastebin URLs 404 for me
[01:09] <cleary> hmm, I'm typing across machines
[01:09] <cleary> sec
[01:13] <cleary> StevenK: what's the policy on floods in channel? the patch is 14 lines
[01:15] <StevenK> The policy is don't
[01:15] <StevenK> Use a pastebin, like you're doing
[01:15] <cleary> try this:
[01:15] <cleary> http://paste.debian.net/240224/
[01:16] <cleary> patch: http://paste.debian.net/240225/
[15:37] <bdmurray> xnox: bug 1151224 has a patch
[15:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1151224 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity upstart: if ubiquity-dm fails to start for an unknown reason, init script exits with no error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1151224
[15:40] <xnox> bdmurray: looks good, I wonder if it should be { stop; exit 1} but ok.
[15:40] <xnox> I'll take for the next upload.
[18:05] <xnox> cjwatson: I am thinking to merge the dotted progress bar branch & make a ubiquity release in time for feature freeze. Do we want to export translations from launchpad? (are there any)
[18:05]  * xnox haven't done translations updates from launchpad for ubiquity yet, but good try.
[18:05] <xnox> s/good/could/
[18:06] <cjwatson> It takes a while to set up just right - I should show you at some point, but how about I do this one
[18:06] <cjwatson> Are there any translation changes in your branch?
[18:08] <xnox> cjwatson: for the dots, no.
[18:08] <cjwatson> OK
[18:09] <cjwatson> I'm waiting for the tarball mail now
[18:09] <xnox> cjwatson: but the u1 plugin which will need FFe will have a few strings.
[18:09] <xnox> cjwatson: will you review & merge the dots progress, or do you want me to merge and push it?
[18:10] <cjwatson> I'm happy for you to do it
[18:10] <xnox> ok.
[18:10] <cjwatson> I'll probably have a look at it after the fact and see if I spot anything odd, but don't block on me
[18:11] <xnox> it's eye candy, so as long as it doesn't break anything..... it's not critical =)
[18:12] <cjwatson> Yeah
[18:39] <cjwatson> xnox: Done, r5858
[18:40] <xnox> cjwatson: thanks. I'll prepare, smoke test and do the upload.
[18:41] <cjwatson> Great, thanks
[18:41] <xnox> np.
[20:35] <xnox> popped out to have a dinner, the dots are confusing after the partitioning. Will have to fix up later =)
[20:35] <xnox> uploading anyway.


[01:24] <bazhang> that was lechoked.  when not if indeed
[09:04] <Myrtti> Mahoru`Tsunemi: hi
[09:05] <Mahoru`Tsunemi> low :)
[09:05] <Mahoru`Tsunemi> bnc error came me here :D
[09:05] <Mahoru`Tsunemi> bye :)
[11:55] <tina> **** *** ****
[13:32] <Pici> hrm, quite a bit of questionable help coming from dcullen today.
[16:02] <bazhang> the root-delay stuff?
[16:04] <Pici> hm?
[16:04] <bazhang> "questionable help", the last comment in here, save mine.
[16:24] <bazhang> mayriyan is the one who wanted the cracked wine game
[16:24] <bazhang> aka Masterpiece
 3/4 apt source is ubuntu :(
[16:45] <bazhang> okay then!
[16:56] <IdleOne> Give him 3*4 of the answer
[16:56] <IdleOne> 3/4
[17:29] <IdleOne> !away > chrisl_away
[17:32] <cprofitt> everything ok now IdleOne ?
[17:32] <IdleOne> sure
[17:32] <cprofitt> what does it mean when someone calls the ops?
[17:33] <Pici> It means that someone used the ! ops trigger.
[17:33] <IdleOne> it means someone issued a !ops and ubottu forwards it here so we can all see it
[17:33] <Pici> ...
[17:33] <cprofitt> does that mean we should respond and join or look at that channel?
[17:33] <Pici> yes
[17:34] <IdleOne> i'll go with pici on this one
[17:34] <cprofitt> thanks... still learning your process guys
[17:34] <cprofitt> appreciate the patience
[17:34] <IdleOne> :)
[17:34] <Pici> I'm not sure that really needed an ops call, but /shrug
[17:34] <Pici> (that particular instance)
[17:35] <Myrtti> if you're not an op of that channel, you can ignore it, unless you want to have a look at the trainwreck for educational purposes
[17:35] <IdleOne> Pici: probably right, but it is a culmination of instances. he will be quiet for a couple of hours and then push the limits again
[17:35] <cprofitt> sounds like we need moose and rocko to help the judge find his wallet
[18:14] <Myrtti> bkerensa: hum?
[18:15] <bkerensa> Myrtti: profane language and linking to drug related irc network?
[18:16] <Myrtti> don't assume malevolence when stupidity is as probable cause
[18:17] <cprofitt> hey bkerensa
[18:17] <Myrtti> ie. might have been a mistyping about the network, and the following profanity acknowledging that
[18:17] <bkerensa> Myrtti: I asked him not to via PM and referenced guidelines and he responded with profanity
[18:18] <Myrtti> alright, that would explain it
[18:19] <bkerensa> cprofitt: hello
[18:19] <IdleOne> seeing that they typed their own nick with a Capital A, probably means it is also his nickserv pass. I'm guessing fail more than intentional spam.
[18:21] <bkerensa> IdleOne: Noted. I gotta run to go do my talk :)
[18:21] <IdleOne> break a leg
[18:21] <IdleOne> :)
[18:21] <cprofitt> where is he talking?
[18:21] <IdleOne> not literally...OSCON
[18:21] <cprofitt> nice... at times I wish I lived on the left coast
[18:22] <IdleOne> you already live on the right one. Why go to the wrong one?
[18:25] <Myrtti> incoming
[18:25] <Myrtti> or not
[18:30] <Pici> cprofitt: already banned from Ubuntu, should know better.
[18:30] <cprofitt> nice response time Pici
[18:31] <cprofitt> that was obnoxious
[18:31] <Pici> I have a few select words on hilight
[18:31] <cprofitt> I may have to learn that trick
[18:46] <Pici> DeltaHeavy is trying to tell me in pm that another op told him to 'just use a proxy' to get around the ban that he says should have been against MattDunbar instead.
[18:47] <DeltaHeavy> Hey, I was told by an OP a few days ago that I could proxy into #ubuntu since my IP got banned due to another user on my LAN. I just got banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for the same reason. Is this allowed? I don't see why I should have to be banned due to this guy
[18:47] <DeltaHeavy> This guy = MattDunbar
[18:48] <MattDunbar> skeet skeet, water gun.
[18:48] <Pici> Which op told you this?
[18:49] <Pici> And how is it that MattDunbar seems to suddenly join the same channel as you do?
[18:49] <DeltaHeavy> Pici: I can't recall
[18:50] <Pici> DeltaHeavy: And the other question?
[18:54] <DeltaHeavy> Sorry was busy for a second
[18:55] <DeltaHeavy> And because he's joking around...idk. Would it be alright if I just went on during home hours and if you see me misbehaving obiously I'll get a swift ban?
[18:55] <DeltaHeavy> Because I havn't done anything against the rules
[18:55] <DeltaHeavy> Just people on my LAN
[18:57] <Pici> I don't believe that is the case here.
[18:58] <DeltaHeavy> What would make you say that?
[18:59] <DeltaHeavy> I think he was just /whois ing me and following me to channels. I told him to stop so that's probably why he's not doing anything right now.
[18:59] <IdleOne> that doesn't work on freenode
[18:59] <IdleOne> try another.
[18:59] <DeltaHeavy> I don't follow
[19:00] <IdleOne> you can't whois someone and see what channels they are in. it only shows shared channels
[19:00] <DeltaHeavy> Look up this IP, it's a commercial building.
[19:00] <DeltaHeavy> I'm not sure then, he's in the same room as me so yeah
[19:01] <Myrtti> you claim he whoissed you and saw this channel to join
[19:01] <Myrtti> but he wasn't here with you when he whoissed to see what channels to join
[19:01] <Myrtti> there's a discrepancy in your story
[19:02] <DeltaHeavy> I don't know exactly how he's going where I'm going. It was just what I thought.
[19:03] <DeltaHeavy> You can ask anybody on #web, #web-offtopic, me and MattDunbar are two completely different people
[19:04] <DeltaHeavy> It doesn't seem like a very fair system that if anybody does anything on my network I also get banned =/ You can put me on probation I don't care, I've never done anything questionable or against the rules.  I would like to take you at your word but unfortunately the evidence shows that we can't at this time.
[19:05] <DeltaHeavy> Can I log it at home?
[19:05] <DeltaHeavy> in*
[19:05] <DeltaHeavy> And come to #ubuntu*?
[19:05] <DeltaHeavy> I don't expect the removal of the IP ban
[19:05] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: look - you and your friends are not welcome in #ubuntu
[19:05] <ikonia> just keep out
[19:05] <DeltaHeavy> Why am I not welcome on #ubuntu? What did I do?
[19:06] <ikonia> you and your friends, messing around
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> If I misbehave at all I'll get banned, simple
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> I'm not messing around
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> Please point out a single instance of me messing around
[19:06] <Myrtti> you are already banned.
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> I never have
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> MattDunbar and THIS IP is banned
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> I'm fine with that
[19:06] <IdleOne> you share the ip.
[19:06] <IdleOne> so you are also banned
[19:06] <ikonia> well, that's his problem
[19:06] <ikonia> and yours
[19:06] <DeltaHeavy> When I'm on my home IP that's fine?
[19:06] <ikonia> no
[19:06] <ikonia> you are banned
[19:07] <DeltaHeavy> That IP nor me personally are banned
[19:07] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: let me make this clear, you and the users of your IP are banned
[19:07] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: Why am I personally banned? Not talking about the IP. What offence did I personally commit?
[19:08] <IdleOne> DeltaHeavy: There is no way for us to know if the nicks DeltaHeavy and MattDunbar are separate people or one and the same.
[19:08] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: the users of your IP including you have caused problems in multiple channels, the user of your IP under the nickname mattdunbar has caused problems in #ubuntu, therefore the small group that use your IP are banned
[19:08] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: What problem(s) have I caused?
[19:09] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: persistantly asking about how to get illegal fonts
[19:09] <ikonia> multiple channels
[19:09] <DeltaHeavy> mscorefonts is illigal?
[19:09] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: you where asking how to get paid for fonts for free
[19:09] <DeltaHeavy> I was unaware of the legality issues. I don't know much about fonts
[19:10] <DeltaHeavy> And I never recieved a warning or anything of the sorts. After I was told it was illigal I asked how I can in web browsers have fonts such as Helvetica displayed
[19:11] <IdleOne> That is neither here nor there. The discussion is over. You and any users connecting from your ip are banned
[19:11] <IdleOne> Please part now.
[19:11] <DeltaHeavy> That's some pretty half efforted oping if you ask me. You guys are incompetent in my opinion.
[19:11] <ikonia> ok, thanks
[19:11] <ikonia> take care
[19:12] <Pici> DeltaHeavy: hold on a moment please.
[19:12] <DeltaHeavy> Pici: Sure thing, thanks
[19:24] <IdleOne> DeltaHeavy: hold tight.
[19:24] <IdleOne> We haven't forgotten you.
[19:27] <Pici> DeltaHeavy: The IP ban will stay.
[19:27] <Pici> If we find you connecting from another IP *AND* being a problem, we will ban you and that connection.
[19:28] <Pici> We are not considering this ban dodging in this specific instance.
[19:28] <Pici> A note will be made on your ban records for other ops to see, just in case they think you are evading.
[19:34] <Pici> DeltaHeavy: Any questions?
[19:34] <DeltaHeavy> Sorry was in a brief meeting
[19:34] <DeltaHeavy> Just got out
[19:34] <Pici> syre.
[19:34] <Pici> *suer.
[19:34] <Pici> ... sure.
[19:34] <DeltaHeavy> Sounds fare. Thanks guys! I appreciate it
[19:35] <Pici> good, good.
[19:46] <Pici> DeltaHeavy: If theres nothing else, we kindly ask that you part the channel at this time.
[19:47] <DeltaHeavy> Pici: Sure thing. Thanks for the understanding!


[00:04] <jenkins> night all
[01:04] <Muscovy> Since it would make Quickshot far easier, is there a way to cycle the quickshot user through each system language for each screenshot?
[07:23] <bilalakhtar> humphreybc: hey! Why did you deactivate my membership in Ohso?
[11:01] <ChrisWoollard> morning all
[11:01] <nisshh> hey ChrisWoollard :)
[11:02] <ChrisWoollard> Hey nish.
[11:02] <ChrisWoollard> or rather nisshh
[11:02] <nisshh> hehe
[11:02] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: im upgrading to maverick beta, gonna see how it goes
[11:02] <ChrisWoollard> I just commited a fix for bad enlish on you dev manual ;)
[11:03] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: oh, cool thanks.
[11:04] <ChrisWoollard> When is that going to be released?
[11:04] <nisshh> well
[11:04] <nisshh> we were hoping for maverick
[11:04] <nisshh> but it doesnt look good
[11:04] <nisshh> so looks like we will have to plan to get a release out for 10.04
[11:04] <nisshh> i mean 11.04
[11:06] <ChrisWoollard> Ok
[11:06] <ChrisWoollard> I do even wonder if we will get this manual out on time
[11:07] <nisshh> its going to be close, thats all im saying :)
[11:08] <ChrisWoollard> We have already missed the writing freeze haven't we?
[11:09] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: actually, i dont know
[11:09] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: i cant remember the dates
[11:12] <ChrisWoollard> It was 10th September
[11:12] <nisshh> ah yea
[15:48] <flan> If anyone noticed, please ask Muscovy to ping me when he gets on.
[15:48] <flan> notices*
[17:30] <nisshh> rickspencer3: hey, have you done any work on shortening the python chapter for the dev manual?
[17:32] <rickspencer3> nisshh, nah, sorry man
[17:32] <rickspencer3> super duper busy these days :(
[17:33] <nisshh> rickspencer3: yea, i know the feeling
[17:33] <rickspencer3> :)
[17:33] <nisshh> rickspencer3: also, thanks heaps for that work on Pytask, that is going to save me hours of figuring stuff out :)
[17:34] <rickspencer3> nisshh, np
[17:34] <nisshh> :)
[19:19] <shaunm> any quickshot people around?
[19:23] <vish> flan: ^^
[22:29] <jenkins> godbyk: ping
[22:32] <ChrisWoollard> evening Jenkins
[22:32] <jenkins> hey ChrisWoollard
[22:32] <jenkins> ChrisWoollard: ! do you know about screenshots fo this release?
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> not really. I guess we should collect some new ones if required
[22:33] <jenkins> well the theme is different so they all need to be redone. I have NO clue which ones are leaving/gaining this release
[22:34] <ChrisWoollard> I did hear rumours that the wallpaper may not be the final version either.
[22:35] <jenkins> so did i
[22:35] <ChrisWoollard> I so hope so. It looks like a youth has put orange spray paint on my desktop
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> according to http://humphreybc.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/dev-infographic.png
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> screenshots are to be done around the 30th
[22:37] <jenkins> they would take me a couple of hours the install ones are the hard ones
[22:37] <ChrisWoollard> So maybe an agenda item should  be added to the meeting regarding screenshots
[22:37] <jenkins> smart idea
[22:37]  * jenkins is not very awake atm
[22:37] <ChrisWoollard> I'll add it
[22:38] <jenkins> I will do my best to make it real life is taking over so much
[22:38] <ChrisWoollard> I know the feeling. I have spent ages reading the updated ubuntone / rhthmbox chapters. now i am sleepy.
[22:39] <ChrisWoollard> I have had the same problem. I missed about 2/3 weeks because of real life.
[22:39] <jenkins> I can't wait to get back to uni and have more time for ubuntu
[22:41] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[22:41] <jenkins> but I will miss all my scouts stuff :(
[22:42] <ChrisWoollard> Agenda updated
[22:42] <jenkins> ta
[22:46] <ChrisWoollard> ncluded Ubuntu 10.10 release, is uTouch 1.0, Ubuntu’s new multi-touch and gesture stack.
[22:47] <ChrisWoollard> that is an extract from the manual
[22:47] <ChrisWoollard> Can you think of a better term other than stack?
[22:47] <jenkins> included*
[22:48] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[22:48] <jenkins> ability recognition just thinking of words
[22:48] <ChrisWoollard> framework
[22:48] <jenkins> tool
[22:48] <jenkins> framework works
[22:48] <jenkins> feature?
[22:48] <ChrisWoollard> or maybe
[22:49]  * jenkins chris writes a long word
[22:49] <ChrisWoollard> s/Ubuntu’s new multi-touch and gesture stack/This adds multi-touch and gesture support to Ubuntu
[22:50] <jenkins> second one is loads better
[22:51] <ChrisWoollard> I might actually re-write the whole paragraph.
[22:51] <ChrisWoollard> simplicity is the way forward
[22:52] <jenkins> i agree,
[22:53] <ChrisWoollard> I love how people put comments in the tex files saying that they wrote that bit.
[22:55] <jenkins> I only did it at the top of mine because everyone else was. Are people doing it for senteces/paragraphs?
[22:55] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[22:56] <ChrisWoollard> mostly paragraphs
[22:56] <jenkins> interesting
[22:56] <jenkins> nothing against it
[22:56] <godbyk> I'll be sure to annotate each sentence I touch with my name.
[22:56] <jenkins> lol
[22:56] <jenkins> hey godbyk
[22:57] <godbyk> hey, jenkins
[22:57] <godbyk> upgrade to TL2010 yet? :)
[22:57] <ChrisWoollard> I hope those comments don't get into the pdf
[22:57] <jenkins> got your e-mail, I am happy to keep maitaing the ppa I will have to remember how to do it. I pulled the last ppa as it was owend by the giant team we had. I will work on it for the week end
[22:57] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: As long as they're actually comments, they won't.
[22:57] <godbyk> jenkins: cool
[22:58] <godbyk> Less work for me is always a good thing. :-)
[22:58] <jenkins> I am unsure if it will work though, as the maintainers have not updated it in debian and I don't know if they have to modify the packaging stuff
[22:58] <jenkins> I will get back into it properly next year but stuff like this i can do ocasionally
[22:59] <godbyk> Next year?
[23:01] <jenkins> when i start uni and have more time to dedicate like i could last release.
[23:01] <jenkins> latex ppa i can fit in maintaing here and there
[23:01] <ChrisWoollard> What do you think
[23:01] <ChrisWoollard> "New to Ubuntu in the 10.10 release, is uTouch 1.0. This feature adds multi-touch and gesture supporton supported hardware such as touchpads, touchscreen monitorsi, and tablets. Touch is included in all three releases of Ubuntu, the Ubuntu Netbook, Desktop and Light."
[23:02] <jenkins> space between support and on
[23:02] <ChrisWoollard> spotted that already. Thanks
[23:02] <jenkins> monitors no i
[23:03] <jenkins> uTouch is included ?
[23:03] <godbyk> We prefer serial commas.
[23:03] <godbyk> You probably don't need the comma in the first sentence.
[23:03] <godbyk> 'support on supported' is kind of awkward.
[23:03] <jenkins> light editions." ?
[23:03] <godbyk> multi-touch could probably be closed up.
[23:03] <jenkins> at the end
[23:04] <godbyk> perhaps a colon instead of a comma to introduce the list at the end?
[23:04] <ChrisWoollard> wow. that was more comments than i expected
[23:04] <jenkins> its a good sentence chris, we are giving constructive comments i hope
[23:05] <ChrisWoollard> next time i will spell check it first
[23:05] <jenkins> lol, sorry. I am not usually good at spelling
[23:05] <godbyk> last sentence: should it be 'uTouch is included..'?
[23:05] <jenkins> said that :P
[23:05] <jenkins> don't know the answer
[23:05] <godbyk> ah, damn. didn't see that one. sorry, jenkins. :)
[23:06] <jenkins> np
[23:06] <ChrisWoollard> I think it is included. I am fairly sure that it will change again in the next version due to a disagreement with gnome and canonical
[23:07] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe I will just get rid of the term uTouch. It is too compilcated for new people.
[23:08] <godbyk> It'd be nice if they'd stop coming up with new UIFes so we don't have to worry about 'em.
[23:08] <ChrisWoollard> i love vi
[23:08] <ChrisWoollard> :set spell
[23:08] <ChrisWoollard> thanks for that one godbyk
[23:09] <jenkins> utouch = touch support
[23:09] <godbyk> vi is awesome.
[23:15] <jenkins> yea so godbyk on the latex stuff i will set up a new ppa asap
[23:15] <jenkins> basically is the short story
[23:17] <godbyk> jenkins: no worries.
[23:17] <godbyk> For those who installed it manually, they can upgrade using tlmgr easily enough.
[23:17] <daker> hi
[23:18] <jenkins> how do you spell perminet as in having a fixed abode ?
[23:18] <jenkins> hey daker
[23:19] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. How about this
[23:19] <ChrisWoollard> New in Ubuntu 10.10 is multi-touch and gesture support. This allows you to utilize the latest multi-touch hardware with Ubuntu.
[23:19] <ChrisWoollard> it is plain and simple with spelling errors/
[23:20] <ChrisWoollard> I will get rid of the -'s though
[23:20] <jenkins> much more simple, how do you get it to work though?
[23:21] <ChrisWoollard> Good question.
[23:21] <ChrisWoollard> I have no idea.
[23:21] <ChrisWoollard> hopefully there are options in prefs or such like
[23:22]  * jenkins starts to try and find the setting
[23:26] <ChrisWoollard> It appears as a seperate package in the tree
[23:26] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe it only gets installed if you have the correct hardware?
[23:27] <ChrisWoollard> If only I had a cool mouse to play with
[23:28] <jenkins> what is this "input method switcher" http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/ivh11kna/InputMethodSwitcherver1.20ubuntu2_02.png what do any of the enties mean?
[23:28] <jenkins> (23:25:34) jenkins: *entries
[23:28] <jenkins> not a clue I don't have a touch screen
[23:30] <ChrisWoollard> We may need to find somebody that has a mac to test it and explain how it works?
[23:32] <ChrisWoollard> If i get time tomorrow I will try to talk to somebody.
[23:42] <jenkins> sorry  I got nothing after" We may need to find somebody that has a mac to test it and explain how it works?"
[23:43] <jenkins> did i miss much
[23:43] <jenkins> there is something about chromium/mavrick or my laptop that causes it to die halfway though using it
[23:43] <jenkins> I held my laptop out the window to get the wifi back as it is in the other part of the house
[23:49] <ChrisWoollard> i said
[23:49] <ChrisWoollard> If i get time tomorrow I will try to talk to somebody.
[23:53] <ChrisWoollard> goodnight
[23:53] <jenkins> night ChrisWoollard


[00:49] <cog> OK I switch back to my main account & I don't see anything but x window garbage :/
[00:50] <cog> Now I just hit alt+tab and all i get : white space!


[04:25] <jthan> WAKE UP PENNSYLVANIA
[04:26] <jthan> Just kidding, though.   That's quite a bike ride from PA.
[09:39] <rmg51> Morning
[09:43] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[09:50] <rmg51> o/
[10:25] <JonathanD> \o
[10:54] <waltman> *YAWN*
[10:58] <waltman> Well, it turns out my time estimate for the data transfer was way off. I was thinking it would take about 11 more hours. It's now 13 hours later and it's only about halfway done.
[10:58] <waltman> I probably should have used dd instead of cp
[11:00] <JonathanD> heh.
[11:13] <waltman> The data rate isn't constant. Right now it's going really slow, but last night it was just zooming through things. I'm guessing it can transfer big files more efficiently than lots of tiny files.
[11:14] <waltman> And rdiff-backup tends to create lots of tiny files.
[12:10] <InHisName> Yep, I noticed that too.   I thought its video card died and I threw it out. Later in the evening the server started power cycling on its own
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> I suspect the power supply
[14:18] <JonathanD> thats easy to fix.
[14:18] <ChinnoDog> Going to use this opportunity to rebuild the server in my other case.
[14:55] <MutantTurkey> hot damned drupaldelphia is today and i am missing it even though im registered to go :[
[15:07] <InHisName> y u missing it ?
[17:12] <JonathanD> Happy friday.
[17:42] <MutantTurkey> drupal con
[17:42] <MutantTurkey> Q!
[17:43] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[17:48] <JonathanD> hi MutantTurkey
[19:00] <jedijf> waltman: any hive thoughts?
[19:11] <waltman> jedijf: Hard to say. Nobody was really doing anything Wednesday night except chatting and playing video games.
[19:12] <waltman> The plywood speakers were impressive though :)
[19:16] <JonathanD> I want to make some.
[19:17] <waltman> I got to tell another newbie about Markov chains :)
[19:18] <JonathanD> I noticed that :)
[19:18] <waltman> He described a project he wanted to work on, and I told him I'd read a paper a few years ago that did nearly the exact things, but for video game characters instead of robots.
[19:19] <waltman> I also told him about Google Scholar :)
[21:12] <jthan> InHisName: I am in CO
[21:32] <InHisName> jthan: Enjoying the great outdoors there ?   They have some REALLY big hills to climb.
[21:35] <jthan> Lol. I am only here for six weeks and I have little free time. I'm enrolled in a summer program to earn scholarship money.  I will be back in August, bike in hand.
[21:38] <InHisName> Nice, have a great time learning, earning, etc.
[21:40] <jthan> Thanks.  Barely a week into it and I'm busy as hell, but enjoying myself and making friends
[22:12] <waltman> Thunderstorms finally hitting Rosemont
[22:13] <jthan> SEND THEM TO COLORADO
[22:13] <waltman> I'm trying. You want our 98F in the shade, too?
[22:14] <jthan> It's about the same here?
[22:21] <jthan> Actually.. Sure.. I'll take it
[22:22] <jthan> because at least there is moisture in the air
[22:22] <jthan> which yes, makes it hotter.. but at the same time my skin won't flake off
[22:40] <waltman> oh, you want the humidity, too? :)
[22:41] <jthan> lol


[01:26] <craigbass76> Is it possible to make a panel only show windows that are open on the current desktop?
[01:27] <kc2bez> craigbass76: which version of Lubuntu?
[01:28] <craigbass76> Not sure the LXDE version, I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 though. And I found it.
[01:28] <craigbass76> Now how about moving a window from one desktop to the next by holding it and hitting Ctrl Alt Arrow?
[01:28] <craigbass76> I can in GNOME (and cinnamon), but not XFCE or LXDE.
[01:28] <craigbass76> I'm getting ready to swap over to LXDE though on my personal laptop, then hopefully my work one when I've got things ironed out.
[01:30] <craigbass76> I was also hoping lynorian was in here. I was going to try and firm up helping out with the docs now that I'm officially migrating.
[01:31] <kc2bez> I have to start my 18.04 VM. I will give a look. I am becoming more unfamiliar with LXDE as time goes on.
[01:31] <wxl> craigbass76: for that latter issue, i'd recommend heading over to #lubuntu-devel though i'll point out that we stop supporting LXDE in april, so i'm not sure it's worth a lot of investment (especially considering upstream development is all but nonexistent)
[01:32] <craigbass76> We stop supporting LXDE? What's happening?
[01:32] <craigbass76> @wxl, ^^
[01:32] <wxl> craigbass76: LXQt. we've been using it since 18.10
[01:33] <craigbass76> Are they related (like same folks, just different under the hood)?
[01:33] <craigbass76> I can help on that instead.
[01:34] <wxl> kinda
[01:34] <wxl> so LXQt was started by, amongst others, the PCMan in PCManFM (and now pcmanfm-qt)
[01:34] <wxl> it's very similar but IMHO way better
[01:34] <craigbass76> Just looking to give a hand to whichever one I'm using. And I'm probably going to end up on Siduction, not Ubuntu. I'd just install lxqt desktop instead?
[01:35] <wxl> and it's constantly under development
[01:35] <wxl> if you use something >18.04 then you'll just have it
[01:36] <craigbass76> I'm at 18.04, so I'm out of the loop.
[01:36] <wxl> so upgrade silly :)
[01:36] <wxl> or just do a fresh install, which is way easier
[01:37] <kc2bez> for your keyboard shortcut question craigbass76 the shift alt arrow keys send your application to the other desktop.
[01:37] <wxl> oh and one of the core LXQt devs: agaida, who if you know Siduction, is a name you should recognize
[01:38] <craigbass76> I only ran it on an old laptop until I donated it, so it's been a while.
[01:40] <craigbass76> And thanks @kc2bez. That habit shouldn't be TOO hard to break.
[01:41] <kc2bez> YW It might not be too bad, it is in the openbox config should you decide to change it.
[01:42] <craigbass76> Problem is I'm left-handed, so Ctrl Shift and arrow isn't quite as easy for me. :)
[01:43] <kc2bez> oh shoot, I gave you the wrong keybind. it should have been shift alt arrow
[01:44]  * kc2bez hangs head
[01:44] <wxl> craigbass76: i got a correction, too. was getting a little too ambitious to end support for LXDE (i admit i can't wait). it's good until april of 2021
[01:49] <craigbass76> kc2bez, Oops, I fat fingered it and didn't realize -- so it worked. Same problem though (us lefties, you know)
[01:50] <craigbass76> wxl, And no biggie. If something's on it's way out, I don't want to dork with docs.
[01:50] <craigbass76> I'll just switch.
[01:50] <wxl> craigbass76: sounds good. see you in -devel :)
[01:51] <craigbass76> Now, to get LXqt on an 18.04 box, what do I need to do? Install lxqt, but anything else?
[01:52] <craigbass76> I can't move from Ubuntu to Siduction on my work box until next holiday, I don't think. I'm moving this one over during Thanksgiving.
[02:05] <kc2bez> craigbass76: LXQt on 18.04 probably won't be all that great, I suggest 19.10. It has many bug fixes.
[02:06] <craigbass76> I'll just hold off until after this weekend then when I get Siduction cooking. I put Ubuntu Studio on this laptop, but it really hasn't got the horsepower to do any audio editing really.
[02:07] <craigbass76> Actually, Chromium and Slack together bring it to its knees...
[02:08] <kc2bez> Those can be a bit heavy. They tend to gobble the ram up.
[02:10] <craigbass76> I'd like to give wee-slack a whirl in the process. Getting off topic here (so I'll stop after this) but Slack has pretty much angered anyone I've talked to with their new WYSIWYG text input. Trying to put markdown in to my techwriter coworkers... no good.
 (Photo, 740x463) https://i.imgur.com/nyzOX32.jpg is somebody know how to fix this ?
 @devikri [<reply to image>], That is just a harmless warning. Ignore it.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [That is just a harmless warning. Ignore it.], okay thx
[07:04] <Devicree> test
 @Devicree [<Devicree> test], Yes
[09:50] <alexey_> qq!
[19:55] <perico> hola
 @perico [<perico> hola], for spanish lubuntu-es
[20:15] <wxl> actually
[20:15] <wxl> !es
 can't do that from telegram
[20:15] <wxl> i know
[20:17] <genii> The bot would probably explode if it was possible