[12:24] <xivulon> hi cking,
[12:24] <xivulon> thanks a lot, that looks like great work
[12:24] <xivulon> I replied in #204133
[12:28] <cking> xivulon: I added the syncs on the loopback so that ext3 dirty writes are forced through to the ntfs below. Without it, there will be latency between ext3 writes and the final write to the device
[12:29] <cking> xivulon: The ntfs-3g debdiffs need pushing into Intrepid too. Not sure if that's my domain.
[12:32] <xivulon> cking, for intrepid I think the best route is to have the patch upstream directly
[12:32] <xivulon> I have already notified szaks
[12:32] <xivulon> szaka
[12:32] <cking> xivulon: Thanks - that makes my life easier :-)
[12:33] <cking> xivulon: Can you take it from here - do some testing on a Windows box and verify it works 100% correctly - and then see if the patch goes upstream too?
[12:33] <xivulon> as for nested writes, aren't only the journal flushes relevant? I would assume that once the nested ext3 tries to write to the journal it will go through ntfs-3g which will in turn writ to disk
[12:33] <xivulon> that is whether the nested ext3 is mounted with -o sync or not
[12:34] <xivulon> but provided that ntfs-3g is mounted with -o sync
[12:34] <xivulon> or at least that is my understanding
[12:35] <xivulon> cking, sure I will do the testing, and modify related packages (lupin/wubi/initramfs accorddingly)
[12:35] <xivulon> only need clarification on the above question
[12:36] <cking> xivulon: ext3 journal writes will be flushed straight through to the device if ntfs-3g has the -syncio mount option. However, if you want extra resiliance to make sure writes get flushed immediately then I recommend -o sync on the loop too
[12:36] <cking> It's a kind of performance vs reliability tradeoff
[12:37] <xivulon> any idea of the performance hit for that?
[12:38] <cking> My tests showed -o sync on the loop was 1/3 to 1/2 slower. But I did just raw block write tests using dd. Normal usage may differ.
[12:39] <xivulon> hm so it's on the heavy side
[12:39] <cking> cking: A lot of the time data is being read and not written, and so real case usage may not see a significant impact. That's why it's worth testing in a real world Windows box test just to see
[12:40] <xivulon> that is an easy test, only involves changing the boot parameters and upgrading ntfs-3g
[12:40] <cking> xivulon: the sysctl hacks are fairly poor performance hit too, so Wubi users will probably not see much of an difference
[12:41] <cking> ..and the benefit is that removing the sysctl hacks mean than external devices like USB disks will perform well with the sysctl hacks removed
[12:43] <cking> xivulon: I suspect that testing this is the only way to see if it's a usable solution with respect to performance. ntfs-3g is a performance hit which is something we are stuck wth
[12:43] <cking> ..but at least we can tweak the loopback sync or no sync option.
[12:44] <xivulon> cking thanks a lot that is great, I'll take care from here on
[12:44] <cking> xivulon: I need to go - I have some stuff that needs attending to. Keep me posted.
[12:44] <xivulon> will do
[12:44] <cking> great
[13:03] <LimCore> hi
[13:03] <LimCore> how about addiging ubuntu packages for kernel.org vanilla kernels?  like say   linux-kernel.org-stable  and  linux-kernel.org-prepatch.  No ubuntu patches so  1) easy to package  2) good for people working on kernel development/testing
[13:09] <xivulon> cking any reason why the option is called syncio as opposed to sync?
[13:31] <cking> xivulon: sync is a non ntfs-3g option that can get passed through as a mount option to mount, but it's currently ignored by fuse - hence I added a syncio option which won't clash with fuse
[13:31] <xivulon> I see, thanks
[13:32] <cking> cking: one day sync may be honoured correctly by fuse, which may make syncio redundant
[17:05] <mkrufky> how do i just build the linux-ubuntu-modules?  im getting my patch ready and just want to confirm im not missing any dependencies
[17:05] <rtg> mkrufky: use 'debuild -b' to check build dependencies.
[17:05] <mkrufky> ok, cool
[17:05] <mkrufky> thanks
[17:06] <rtg> mkrufky: note that it only checks dependencies for the arch under which you are building.
[17:06] <rtg> but you should be OK with LUM.
[17:06] <mkrufky> i dont think that would matter in my case
[17:07] <mkrufky> i just want to make sure i didnt omit any new headers
[17:07] <rtg> mkrufky: are you building both x86 and x86_64?
[17:07] <mkrufky> i been building within the linuxtv.org hg repo
[17:07] <mkrufky> the code is safe for both x86 and x86_64 -- i test on both machine types using the linuxtv.org tree
[17:08] <rtg> that seems sufficient
[17:08] <Kano> did somebody delete intrepid-lum.git?
[17:08] <rtg> Kano: it got folded into the Intrepid kernel package
[17:09] <Kano> like for 2.6.22?
[17:10] <rtg> Kano: there is no LUM for Intrepid. All of those modules are now residing in the ubuntu-intrepid.git and are built along with the kernel.
[17:11] <Kano> there was it 2 days ago
[17:11] <rtg> Kano: change is good.
[17:11] <cking> change is frequent
[17:12] <Kano> where is the firmware then?
[17:12] <rtg> Kano: I think its all in LRM now
[17:12] <Kano> not good, lrm is a crap package
[17:13] <rtg> Kano: its undergone serious surgery. a face lift of massive proportions.
[17:14] <Kano> also when you enable madwifi you have to disalbe ath5k, thats clear or not?
[17:14] <rtg> Kano: dunno. its a work in progress. BenC is in the drivers seat.
[17:15] <Kano> ath5k is free variant of madwifi (ath_pci)
[17:15] <rtg> Kano: I even know the guy that wrote ath5k.
[17:16] <Kano> do you own a card for it
[17:16] <rtg> Kano: only in mini-PCI form factor.
[17:17] <Kano> well that does not matter the form factor, you can try it, thats all needed
[17:18] <Kano> maybe i create my own package from the ubuntu-firmware part
[17:19] <Kano> will you revert the gpl only usb exports to make avm usb drivers work?
[17:19] <rtg> Kano: against the author's wishes? Thats highly unlikely.
[17:20] <Kano> well it is not forbidden or?
[17:21] <Kano> i dislike when a new kernel supports less hardware
[17:21] <rtg> Kano: I'm not qualified to say, but no one at Ubuntu is going to do it.
[17:24] <Kano> will you change the alsa-base package for options snd-pcsp index=-2? or does pcsp not install in front of other sounddrivers for you?
[17:25] <rtg> Kano: perhaps you could suggest it to BenC. I'm not working on Intrepid right now.
[17:26] <Kano> i guess more kanotix users test your new kernels as ubuntu users ;)
[17:27] <Kano> i added already a blacklist to my module-init-tools for snd-aw2
[17:28] <Kano> but several users have problems with sound order, so guess i will patch alsa-base
[17:28] <mkrufky> rtg: i have my first version of the lum patch ready -- can you take a look?  this just adds the new files, still needs to be integrated into your build  http://linuxtv.org/~mkrufky/lum/add-hvr950q-to-lum.patch
[17:32] <rtg> mkrufky: for LUM you enable configs in debian/config/${arch}. Kconfig won't do much.
[17:33] <mkrufky> ok
[17:34] <mkrufky> ...any chance you can just fix this patch up, so that i'll know what to do for all future patches?
[17:37] <rtg> mkrufky: echo "CONFIG_VIDEO_AU0828=m" >> debian/config/i386 ? Its no more complicated then that. Just add your config macros to the appropriate arches (I assume just i386 and amd64)
[17:37] <mkrufky> ah, ok cool
[17:37] <mkrufky> :-)
[17:37] <mrec__> BenC: ah well I would have had something sure
[17:40] <mrec__> BenC: it would be nice if someone could have a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/230877
[17:48] <cjwatson> BenC: could you please move isofs back to storage-core-modules (from fs-core-modules)? it makes a lot more sense there even though it's the only filesystem module there, because the rest of fs-core-modules isn't needed in the cdrom initrd
[17:53] <mkrufky> rtg: i updated the patch at the same location -- i think it's good to go now
[17:55] <rtg> mkrufky: if you've built it and tested successfully, then email the patch to the kernel team mailing list.
[17:57] <mkrufky> ok
[18:14] <BenC> cjwatson: done
[18:14] <Kano> BenC: do you want my alsa-base fix?
[18:14] <Kano> or dont you have the problem with snd-pcsp?
[18:15] <BenC> there is a problem, but I've no idea what your fix is
[18:15] <Kano> well i changed the rules
[18:15] <Kano> to add a new index=-2
[18:16] <BenC> isn't that something we can add into module-init-tools?
[18:16] <Kano> well there i added a blacklist for snd_aw2
[18:17] <Kano> but thats basically another problem
[18:17] <Kano> for snd-pcsp there is only a alsa order problem
[18:18] <BenC> cjwatson: do you think we really need scsi-tape block driver in d-i at all?
[18:19] <BenC> cjwatson: do you know of anyone doing installs from tape? :)
[18:26] <Kano> BenC: look into query for alsa-driver (alsa-base source package) hack
[18:27] <zul> BenC: I like being retro ;)
[18:28] <Kano> hmm have to put in my ati card to test ati 8-6 ;)
[18:35] <BenC> grrr...you should not need anything other than build-essential to do a source only upload
[20:12] <Kano> BenC: can you rename dm-raid4-5 to dm-raid45 like it is in current hardy
[21:11] <cjwatson> BenC: scsi-tape doesn't sound necessary
[21:12] <cjwatson> BenC: module-init-tools is not involved in d-i
[21:12] <cjwatson> at least not in any relevant way
[21:12] <cjwatson> 18:15 <BenC> there is a problem, but I've no idea what your fix is
[21:12] <cjwatson> BenC: what's the problem?
[21:13] <BenC> cjwatson: that was to Kano
[21:13] <BenC> Kano: I don't want to rename it away from what upstream had it
[21:13] <cjwatson> oh, right, sorry
[21:14] <BenC> Kano: possibly had an alias, but keep the module name the same
[21:14] <Kano> BenC: just rename the target then dmraid can autoload it
[21:15] <BenC> I don't want to change upstream's naming
[21:15] <Kano> i checked with modinfo, the module in -19 kernel IS renamed
[21:15] <Kano> you have to
[21:15] <BenC> I don't have to
[21:15] <Kano> to fix the dmraid issue
[21:15] <Kano> look into hardy changelog
[21:15] <BenC> I'll investigate, but I'm not going to just haphazardly change the upstream naming
[21:16] <Kano> well the nameing in the patch is wrong as it can not be found by dmraid
[21:16] <BenC> in what patch?
[21:16] <BenC> I downloaded the actual source from upstream
[21:17] <BenC> if something is inconsistent, I need upstream to make a decision, otherwise I'm fighting a long drawn out battle
[21:17]  * BenC recalls tar's bzip2 command line argument as a good example
[21:18] <rtg> BenC: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220493
[21:19] <rtg> BenC: probably ought to get the dmraid user space tools to use the right module name.
[21:21] <BenC> rtg: sounds like the right way
[21:22] <BenC> hmm...there's definitely a dead server on the us.archive.ubuntu.com round-robin
[21:23] <rtg> BenC: you know, I've had problems off and on today also. I finally just went to rookery to get bits.
[21:28] <BenC> rtg, Kano: Uploaded a new dmraid package that uses raid4-5
[21:29] <BenC> raid4-5 sounds better anyway...like "4 or 5" rather than "forty five"
[21:38] <Kano> BenC: when you change dmraid then add the new module to initramfs
[22:56]  * kees makes flushing noise -- stable kernel updates are going out to soyuz...
[22:56] <kees> rtg: ^^ I finished my last-minute boot-testing-of-dak-builds
[22:56] <elmo> aiee
[22:56] <kees> elmo: ?
[23:12] <pwnguin> I'm thinking about moving a bug from wacom-tools to linux, but I need some guidance on triage
[23:13] <pwnguin> the wiki mentions like three teams to assign to when marking confirmed
[23:13] <pwnguin> but i also found a ubuntu-kernel-usb
[23:13] <pwnguin> is that dead?
[23:16]  * pwnguin reads harder


[12:32] <bronger> What does "Needs review" on https://translations.launchpad.net/felo/+imports mean?  Where can I see what went wrong?
[12:37] <cprov> bug#408001 is fixed
[12:44] <wgrant> bronger: It means that it's waiting for a Translations dev to approve it for the first time.
[12:45] <bronger> And this dev is a Launchpad admin or a project admin?
[12:45] <maxb> Is there a "What needs approval and why" page anywhere? (If not, can we have one? :-) )
[12:46] <wgrant> bronger: Launchpad Translations developer/admin.
[12:46]  * wgrant finds the page.
[12:47] <bronger> Okay, thank you.
[12:48] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/ImportPolicy is the relevant policy, but it doesn't actually say anywhere that templates/translations will be held for review.
[12:59] <bronger> However, after my first upload of fr.po, its status was "failed" without any further comment.  The German translations went through with one warning, which was explicitly explained.
[13:07] <RainCT> Hi
[13:08] <RainCT> I'm getting lots of "Please try again" pages from bazaar.launchpad.net, eg. trying to open http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist/zeitgeist/trunk/revision/1071 or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.jaunty
[13:09] <shiny_> yes, same here
[13:16] <james_w`> does anyone else get lots of errors with launchpadlib because it caches a truncated copy of the wadl?
[13:16] <james_w`> it also makes me worried that it will give bad results because it might truncate other things in the cache
[13:25] <wgrant> james_w`: Other objects will fail to decode if truncated, so it should be pretty obvious.
[13:25] <james_w`> true
[13:25] <james_w`> still pretty annoying that it commits suicide though
[13:26] <wgrant> Certainly.
[13:26] <james_w`> though I think it may be more of a bug in httplib2 though
[13:26] <wgrant> But at least it won't do bad things -- just crash.
[13:26] <james_w`> for one, it stores the headers, so it could validate Content-Length from the cache, and invalidate it if it doesn't match
[13:27] <james_w`> I'm not sure what causes the truncation, but it certainly doesn't use fsync
[13:36] <james_w`> hmm, perhaps I need a per-process cache dir
[14:33] <Ng> --help
[14:47] <superm1> matsubara, ping. i was just curious when the commit for bug 409578 will actually show up in published Packages.gz files on the archive?
[14:50] <matsubara> superm1, only in the next release in september, I think. bigjools can you confirm ^?
[14:51] <bigjools> superm1: I requested a cherry pick, so it will appear hopefully later today, or tomorrow
[14:51] <superm1> bigjools, okay great thanks
[14:51] <bigjools> welcome
[14:57] <mrevell> cprov: wrt signing PPA keys: is it enough to add a message to the pop-up help on the PPA page?
[15:01] <maxb> mrevell: I though the thread ended up suggesting that we wouldn't/shouldn't encourage signing PPA keys?
[15:02] <mrevell> maxb: Yeah, so my thought is that we should add a note to the pop-up help that appears next to the signing key. The note would explain why the keys aren't signed.
[15:03] <maxb> oh, I see. Explaining that it's a machine-generated, escrowed key.
[15:39] <bronger> On https://translations.launchpad.net/felo/+imports it says "Import failed".  How do I get the reason why it went wrong?  I didn't receive an email.
[15:40] <mrevell> cprov: ping
[15:41] <cprov> mrevell: pong
[15:43] <mrevell> Hi cprov, thumper mentioned in his CHR handover that he'd like some FAQs on the builders. Do you have any idea what sort of thing might be useful?
[15:45] <cprov> mrevell: depends on what were the questions, I guess.
[15:45] <mrevell> cprov: I thought that might be the case :) I'll reply to Tim's mail and ask for more detail
[15:45] <cprov> mrevell: last week we had some stuck builders due to bug #408001
[15:45] <cprov> mrevell: that was probably the root cause of complaints.
[15:46] <cprov> mrevell: check with Tim, we can certainly create some useful FAQ for builder (we have none atm, IIRC)
[15:46] <mrevell> ok thanks cprov
[15:54] <danilos> bronger: when import fails without a reason, it usually indicates a bug in our code somewhere; I'll try checking the logs to see if I can figure out what went wrong
[16:14] <bronger> danilos, both the German and the French po file only triggers a mild warning, but the French file was rejected while the German wasn't.
[16:19] <danilos> bronger: it's possible that there are some \r's (carriage returns) in the French file, they sometimes cause problems for us because we try to be smart about them
[16:21] <bronger> No, there is neither an escaped nor an unescaped \r.
[16:26] <danilos> bronger: so, it seems there's some problem creating a record for the Last-Translator in the file, I'll have to look a bit deeper to see what's exactly going on
[16:27] <bronger> danilos, okay thanks.  However, I have to go now.  Apparently my latest push a couple of minutes ago triggered a fresh import.  Let's see what happens.  At least, I removed the warnings.
[16:31] <danilos> bronger: cool, I'll be filing a bug about this when I see what it is exactly about, I can email you when I do if you want
[16:32] <bronger> I hope my branch push didn't spoil your invastigations.  Yes, drop me a note.  Bye!
[16:34] <danilos> bronger: no, don't worry, it's fine
[16:34] <danilos> bronger: well, "fine" :)
[16:39]  * SamB sighs and wishes launchpad emails could be filtered in gmail ...
[16:47] <ahz> Does this page imply that projects (and my project in particular) can be adopted by translation teams? https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[16:49] <dpm> ahz: this should give you more info -> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject#Translations%20groups It is the project owner who assigns the groups.
[16:50] <dpm> If you want to assign the translation of your project to a group, I'd recommend the launchpad-translators group, unless your project is very Ubuntu-centric, in which case, I'd recommend you the ubuntu-translators group
[16:52] <ahz> dpm: So if I pick Launchpad-translators, then I should expect some translations from that group?  And if I keep my policy open, my existing translators can continue working?
[16:53] <ahz> BTW, I have ~25 translations, but sometimes I feel like I nag my translators by emailing them every 2-4 weeks
[16:59] <dpm> ahz: if you assign the translations of your project to launchpad-translators and the policy is 'Structured' or 'Restricted', only the members of that translation group will be able to approve suggestions and make translations. But still everyone will be able to make suggestions. If you keep your policy as 'Open', anyone with a Launchpad account will be able to modify the translations.
[17:00] <dpm> If you'd like to let your existing translators to be able to continue translating but would like translations to be reviewed by the launchpad-translators group, they can always join the relevant language team in the language-translators group
[17:03] <ahz> dpm: That makes sense.  By simplying linking my project to the team, should some translations come in "automatically"?  Or do I have personally invite translators?
[17:08] <dpm> ahz: once you enable translations for the project, translators should be able to see what they can translate from the "Translations" tab in your project's page in Launchpad. It would also make sense to announce translators (e.g. on your project's mailing list and/or in the launchpad-translators one) that your project is now translatable in Launchpad.
[17:10] <ahz> dpm: I didn't know they have a mailing list.  Thanks, I will check that out.  Thanks for all your help. This sounds like a potentially good "plan B" compared to the translation-subscription/notification feature I wish Launchpad had
[17:10] <dpm> np, you're welcome
[17:18] <dpm> ahz: you might also find this interesting for your project -> http://blog.launchpad.net/translations/import-translation-templates-from-your-projects-bazaar-branches and http://blog.launchpad.net/general/exporting-translations-to-a-bazaar-branch
[17:21] <ahz> dpm: Bazaar seems promising, but I feel too lazy to switch from SourceForge SVN :)
[17:25] <dpm> yes, I'm sure many on this channel could talk for hours on the goodness of bzr :-), but it ultimately is your choice to use the tool that better fits your workflow
[18:08] <Ampelbein> hi there. I uploaded a package to my ppa some time ago but did not yet receive a accepted/rejected email. The ppa is https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/ppa/ , the package is octave3.2 , dput result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/250930/
[18:10] <cprov> Ampelbein: is that your first upload ? have you uploaded anything with the same gpgkey before ?
[18:10] <Ampelbein> cprov: i uploaded several times successully before with that key.
[18:10] <Ampelbein> cprov: for example texlive-bin - 2007.dfsg.2-6ubuntu3~ppaamoog3  in the same ppa
[18:10] <cprov> Ampelbein:
[18:10] <cprov>  2009-08-10 16:45:19 DEBUG       Subject: octave3.2_3.2.0-2ubuntu2~ppaamoog1_source.changes rejected
[18:10] <cprov> 2009-08-10 16:45:19 DEBUG       Recipients: Andreas Moog<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:11] <cprov> Ampelbein: it looks like the email is floating somewhere in the intarweb.
[18:11] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Is it the right place to ask how to delete a ppa in launchpad?
[18:12] <cprov> Ampelbein: anyway, it was rejected because you are over quota.
[18:12] <Ampelbein> cprov: oh. now that you mention it i see the starring red 100.00% line on my ppa's page
[18:12] <cprov> fabrice_sp: yes, file a question on 'soyuz' product explaining why you want to delete it.
[18:12] <Ampelbein> cprov: thanks for looking.
[18:13] <cprov> Ampelbein: np, did you find the email ?  spam, perhaps ?
[18:13] <fabrice_sp> cprov, Will do. Thanks!
[18:13] <cprov> Ampelbein: it's a little concerning if you haven't received it.
[18:14] <cprov> fabrice_sp: out of curiosity, why do you want to remove a PPA ?  created with a misleading name, or something like this ?
[18:14] <Ampelbein> cprov: looking at mail.log on my mailserver right now. do you happen to have a message id?
[18:15] <cprov> Ampelbein: no, sorry, we don't get that verbose in our logs :-(
[18:15] <cprov> Ampelbein: that date is BST, it might help.
[18:16] <Ampelbein> cprov: it seems to be a problem on my end, "Aug 10 18:45:22 golem postfix/cleanup[3371]: C5F371BAB7<EMAIL_ADDRESS>" but i don't have a message in my inbox matching that id... so everything is cool with launchpad ;-)
[18:17] <fabrice_sp> cprov, created by error in the wrong place (in the team page instead of private)
[18:17] <cprov> Ampelbein: cool, thx for checking.
[18:18] <cprov> fabrice_sp: okay, if it is still empty we can completely purge it for you.
[18:19] <fabrice_sp> cprov, yes: it's completely empty
[18:19] <fabrice_sp> cool :-)
[18:31] <jacob> seeing a lot of slowness on lp. edge times out as well
[19:37] <trondn> Why do I need a separate wiki in order to use the blueprints???
[19:38] <beuno> trondn, because Launchpad does not provide a wiki at the moment
[19:40] <trondn> beuno: do you know if that is planned?
[19:40] <beuno> trondn, it is. High up on our list
[19:40] <trondn> great :)
[21:55] <stgraber> hey, anyone knows how the SSH restriction is done on bazaar.launchpad.net ?
[21:55] <stgraber> I'd like to setup something similar at work, so everyone can push but noone can get a working shell or run any command using the same account
[21:58] <maxb> A cursory peek at the sourcecode suggests that it's a custom ssh/sftp server written python using twisted
[21:59] <maxb> However, ssh's authorized_keys forced-command stuff provides a much simpler option to offer sftp-only, provided unix permissions suffice to limit which areas of the filesystem the accounts have access to
[22:21] <maxb> I've just discovered the in-page popups on the PPA page.... and for me the close button is insanely tiny and invisible - is it like that for everyone, or is it a FF 3.5 quirk?
[22:24] <nandhp> It's like that for me too, but I'm also using Firefox 3.5.
[22:27] <wgrant> maxb: It used to have 'Continue' in it, but that vanished around a month ago.
[22:28] <beuno> maxb, you mean the x on the top left?
[22:34] <maxb> beuno: um, I have a tiny button with no legend at all at the bottom right
[22:37] <beuno> maxb, when clicking on what?
[22:38] <maxb> Read about installing, or What is this?
[22:38] <wgrant> It's the help popups, not the lazr-js ones.
[22:38] <wgrant> They are different for no particularly good reason.
[22:39] <maxb> well, I see the same behaviour in FF 3.0 as with 3.5
[22:40] <wgrant> The HTML was clearly wrong last time I looked.
[22:40] <beuno> maxb, wgrant, sounds like a bug
[22:40]  * wgrant looks again.
[22:40] <wgrant> It is a bug.
[22:40] <wgrant> There's one filed.
[22:40] <beuno> can you point me at it?
[22:41] <wgrant> I'm trying to find it.
[22:41] <wgrant> Unfortunately there's no text to search for...
[22:42] <wgrant> Bug #406394
[22:42] <beuno> wgrant, thank you
[23:42] <jedc> Hello, is it possible to replace my public key on launchpad with a new one if I have lost my private key and dont have a revocation certificate?
[23:43] <beuno> jedc, yes. SSH or GPG?
[23:43] <jedc> GPG
[23:44] <jedc> I had to get a new HD and forgot to hadnt backed them up
[23:45] <beuno> jedc, yes, click on "change details"
[23:45] <beuno> and then "OpenGPG" on that block sub-menu
[23:46] <jedc> Ah, i see, thank you so much!
[23:47] <beuno> sinzui, edit button next to GPG keys in 3.0?
[23:47] <beuno> :)
[23:47] <sinzui> We should


[01:12] <dashua> kwwii, Np :)
[05:29] <vish> kwwii: have you seen this > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532224/comments/9
[05:29] <vish> it would probably solve the problem of the buttons being cut when displayed alone
[08:53] <thorwil> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/another-design-hub-mockup/
[09:14] <zniavre> good morning
[09:14] <zniavre> http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6943/capturevs.png > do you think it's possible to make notebook as in this shot the left bottom mockups ?
[09:15] <zniavre> if i add contrast to notebook all tabs are included, i would want to create border only for the tab in uses
[09:21] <kwwii> vish: yeah, I know about it
[12:15] <thorwil> vish: congratulations!
[13:05] <knome> iainfarrell, hey, just fyi, i will be more or less available whole day tomorrow, most of the day on Thu and whole day on Fri, if/when you need to contact me :)
[13:06] <vish> thorwil: hmm? what did i do?
[13:07] <thorwil> vish: just saw the membership board report. so a bit bleated, i guess :)
[13:08] <vish> thorwil: ah , ty :)
[13:08] <vish> thorwil: which ML is that?
[13:08] <thorwil> vish: *shrug*. already deleted
[13:09] <vish> thorwil: hehe  , thats why i mentioned bck when you got membership , we got memberships back-to-back :)
[13:59] <Equiet> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/another-design-hub-mockup/ :(
[14:01] <Equiet> Only "Design Hub" is similar... But it looks like it's not from my proposal.
[14:05] <thorwil> Equiet: you still didn't talk with mizmo, except leaving a comment on her blog?
[14:06] <Equiet> No, I don't think it's necessary. Or is it...?
[14:07] <thorwil> Equiet: it's a good thing to do, because either it becomes clear you are or will be wasting your time, or you can actually start to collaborate instead of running alongside
[14:08] <thorwil> Equiet: you could of course also just pester iainfarrell and kwwii about a design hub with or for ubuntu ;)
[14:09] <Equiet> :)
[14:09] <iainfarrell> hey guys, are you referring to Mairin's hub concept?
[14:09] <iainfarrell> I've only been partially following it :)
[14:10] <thorwil> yes
[14:10] <iainfarrell> looks like a nice idea for a system but I'm not sure when we'll find the time to implement something like that
[14:10] <iainfarrell> I should read up a little more on it
[14:10] <thorwil> though what she has there is shaped by the fedora approach, no 1:1 fit
[14:10] <iainfarrell> yeah
[14:11] <iainfarrell> would need to review the process
[14:11] <thorwil> iainfarrell: just hire me for the design to not further tax your team ;)
[14:11] <iainfarrell> heh! It's not up to me, sadly!
[14:12] <Equiet> Last days, I haven't got much free time... I'm worried I wouldn't find so much time it deserves.
[16:50] <l3on> dashua: Hi.. are you there ?
[17:00] <kwwii> dashua: the latest theme updates have been uploaded to lucid :)
[17:01] <l3on> dashua: I saw your branch for new themes... I have some idea, if you're around I would like to show you.
[17:35] <zniavre_> yeah no more pixmaps \o/
[17:42] <l3on> someone of you could test this patch and give me feedback?
[17:42] <l3on> http://paste.ubuntu.com/391934/
[17:45] <l3on> -> This is the preview: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5849/schermataw.png
[18:21] <vish> hmm ..
[18:21] <vish> oops!
[18:36] <dashua> kwwii, Awesome.  Looks great :)
[19:44] <zniavre_> dashua,  you made the new ambiance theme ?
[19:44] <dashua> zniavre_, No.  Just tweaked and bug fixed.
[19:45] <zniavre_> you made this theme without pixmap ?
[19:45] <zniavre_> so
[19:45] <dashua> Yes
[19:45] <zniavre_> it's very nice
[19:46] <zniavre_> it looks even better
[19:46] <dashua> zniavre_, Oh thx.  Yeah.  I thought it was a nice improvement
[19:46] <dashua> :)
[19:46] <zniavre_> i do not like pixmap theme (at least cause i do not know how to do them)
[19:47] <dashua> Same here.  As of last year, I would have recommended it for customization but the new improvements to murrine make a lot of things possible
[19:47] <zniavre_> that s true
[19:49] <dashua> Brb, I have to uninstall this nVidia driver.  Got the fan speed bug.  Have to revert to an older driver.
[19:49] <zniavre_> :o(
[19:49] <zniavre_> save your hardware
[19:49] <dashua> Yeah
[19:50] <dashua> Display locked and temp was over 83 degrees
[19:50] <dashua> =/
[19:50] <dashua> Maybe my Dell XPS will break and I'll get a new Mac.
[19:51] <zniavre_> :o)
[19:52] <zniavre_> be carefull i heard they put buttons to the left
[19:54] <dashua> Back on 195.30, install/uninstall a display driver that fast on Windows ;)
[19:55] <zniavre_> can you see plymouth thing?
[19:55] <dashua> Nah
[19:56] <dashua> Just a blue progressbar
[19:56] <dashua> I can on my Dell Mini
[19:56] <dashua> Intel
[19:56] <zniavre_> same here with my daughter s laptop
[19:57] <dashua> I think I may get a laptop with Intel next.
[20:00] <zniavre_> that is sad for me i can't change my computer for that (but i want it)
[20:04] <zniavre_> ho a quick question if you are using Lucid , with wich theme OOo is launched on your desktop ?


[11:30] <paresh> I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a ARM board (Cortex A9 MPCore) RIoT board
[11:30] <paresh> and I cannot get usb automount to work
[11:30] <paresh> the devices shows up as /dev/sda or /dev/sd*
[11:31] <paresh> but it doesn't get auto mounted
[11:31] <paresh> I installed autofs
[11:32] <paresh> tried with FAT32 and NTFS


[00:09] <comutt> popey: Not issue. But I have just a question about that. I wanted to trace changes because I'm using Ubuntu as a production server and I'd like to know what changes done to package. From tarball, I can use difftool, or throw them all into git repository and show diffs. But if the official ACTIVE repository is public, I can look into that.
[00:12] <comutt> popey: I cannot find whether Launchpad repository is discontinued or not, within UDD documents.
[00:41] <ahoneybun> DanChapman: I love the new Dekko icon :)
[02:11] <ahayzen> nik90, oh i see what your issue is now :-)
[05:18] <akiva-thinkpad> mhall119: bah reddit. I can't stand /r/linux sometimes
[07:22] <popey> comutt: we haven't discontinued launchpad. Not sure why you'd assume it is, given we link to all our code all over launchpad.
[10:15] <comutt> popey: I don't assume you discontinued Launchpad, but my thought is for "repositories". tarballs are fine, that's good. how about repository? It seems that many repositories have been updated, so I think "repositories" may be discontinued or been private only for committers, but UUD documents does not mention about it.
[10:16] <comutt> oops typo: It seems that many repositories have NOT been updated, ...
[10:21] <ogra_> UDD never really worked
[10:24] <comutt> ogra_: got it, thank you for response!
[15:30] <mcphail> nik90: ping
[15:30] <mcphail> (or any other podbird devs...)
[15:33] <DanChapman> Elleo ^^
[15:35] <mcphail> DanChapman: can you check to confirm a bug in podbird for me (if you have it installed)?
[15:35] <DanChapman> go for it
[15:35]  * DanChapman grabs a phone
[15:36] <mcphail> DanChapman: from the "add new podcast screen", search for Linux. Scroll down to the "Just-use-linux.com" entry. On my phone, the item "shrinks" and no proper icon appears
[15:37] <DanChapman> mcphail: is this plain old podbird or podbird devel?
[15:37] <mcphail> just podbird. Haven't install devel
[15:38] <mcphail> *installed
[15:38] <DanChapman> ack
[15:39] <DanChapman> wow that was weird but kinda cool watching it shrink
[15:39] <mcphail> yes - the bug is nicely animated!
[15:40] <mcphail> do you have -devel installed? does it do the same there?
[15:40] <DanChapman> let's see
[15:43] <DanChapman> mcphail: seems fine on devel http://i.imgur.com/Q7i00sP.png
[15:44] <mcphail> DanChapman: maybe it is fixed. Annoying that launchpad doesn't show you old bugs by default. I'll set the filters and trawl through
[15:44] <mcphail> DanChapman: thanks for checking
[15:47] <DanChapman> mcphail: np
[15:48] <nik90> mcphail, DanChapman: hey guys
[15:48] <nik90> let me check the bug
[15:51] <nik90> wow...it actually animates despite no animations defined in the listitem? ,,. pretty cool :P
[15:52] <nik90> mcphail: you wouldn't find an old bug that solves it because this wasn't detected before
[15:52] <mcphail> nik90: wonder why it works in -devel?
[15:52] <nik90> mcphail: I am guessing that the new listitems somehow fixed it.
[15:52] <nik90> mcphail: I will keep track of this as we gear up for the next stable podbird release.
[15:52] <mcphail> nik90: cool. Won't bother filing a report then
[15:53] <nik90> ok


[10:25] <ack> hi, I have a strange issue with network configuration on ubuntu core20 (on a raspberrypi). not sure if something is wrong with my conf or it could be a netplan issue. With wifi configured and eth0 through a bridge, if I disconnect the ethernet, the wifi also stops working
[10:25] <ack> when I reconnect the cable, both start working again
[10:27] <ack> this is my config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2MJ3DSYyKr/
[10:31] <slyon> ack, hi! That should not be happening. Your config looks OK so far. Do you have any more logging output, e.g. from networkd (journalctl -u systemd-networkd)?
[10:37] <ack> slyon, I don't see anything strange in there, if I disconnect the cable and then reconnect it I only see the messages about link and dhcp, no error
[10:37] <ack> slyon, fwiw if I don't create the bridge, everything works fine
[10:37] <ack> slyon, the only thing I can think of that might be relevant is that since the interfaces are on different vlans, they both end up adding a default gateway
[10:38] <ack> $ ip r
[10:38] <ack> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev br0 proto dhcp src <IP_ADDRESS> metric 100
[10:38] <ack> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev wlan0 proto dhcp src <IP_ADDRESS> metric 600
[10:38] <ack>
[10:38] <ack> doesn't seem that should be a problem, though?
[10:39] <slyon> I wonder if the br0 route goes away once you disconnect the eth0 link? If not, this could be a problem indeed.
[10:40] <slyon> so your wifi actually stays associated with the AP, but routing doesn't work anymore after you disconnected the link?
[10:40] <ack> slyon, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KcVFcw48Ky/
[10:40] <ack> slyon, that's a good point
[10:43] <ack> slyon, oh it seems the br0 doesn't even go away
[10:43] <ack> slyon, I wonder if the down is not detected because it happens on eth0 and br0 is not affected?
[10:44] <ack> although "Mar 18 10:10:09 ubuntu systemd-networkd[1025]: br0: Lost carrier" shows it does lose  it
[10:45] <ack> but yeah, it seems br0 is not brought down when the link on eth0 goes away, so the route stays too
[10:46] <ack> I wonder if it's raspberrypi-specific
[10:46] <slyon> Usually systemd-networkd clears the routes on carrier loss...
[10:46] <slyon> I don't think this is rpi specific
[10:47] <slyon> you could specify your routes manually for the different subnets/vlans, that should work
[10:50] <ack> slyon, so you think it's not netplan, it's systemd-networkd?
[10:51] <ack> the weird thing is that it does work if I don't use a bridge
[10:51] <slyon> sd-networkd usually clears the routes if the link goes down/carrier is lost
[10:51] <slyon> i wonder why it doesn't do that for your br0?
[10:53] <ack> slyon, right, so if I just use eth0 + wlan0, the route and IP on the interface do get cleared on link down
[11:02] <slyon> ack: does it work if you put the bridge down manually (while cable is still connected)? i.e. "ip link set dev br0 down"?
[11:03] <slyon> will it clear the routes for br0 after that command and route via wifi?
[11:05] <slyon> I think the problem is: disconnecting the link on eth0 does not automatically bring down br0. And I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature...
[11:06] <slyon> ack: I guess you could place some routable.d and off.d hooks to bring br0 down/up automatically, via https://netplan.io/faq/#use-pre-up%2C-post-up%2C-etc.-hook-scripts (that is, if the previous test works)
[11:12] <ack> slyon, yes, if I manually set the link down/up the route goes away
[11:13] <ack> the IP is still there for br0 but the route is removed
[11:13] <ack> (so things keep working)
[11:14] <ack> slyon, so maybe the bug is that it should set br0 down if the last interface in it is disconnected
[11:15] <slyon> you could use the "networkctl down br0" command, that should clear the IP as well I guess (instead of "ip link ...")
[11:16] <slyon> ack: yes. But as I said above, I'm not sure if this is a networkd bug or feature... (There might be cases where it is important that the bridge stays up), as a workaround you could place some "networkctl up|down br0" hooks
[11:19] <ack> slyon, thanks
[14:05] <krono> Hi all, what is the canonical way to configure an Infiniband IPoIB interface via netplan?
[14:08] <slyon> hi krono! netplan does not currently support IPoIB: https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1848471
[14:08] <slyon> I guess your best bet would be using systemd-networkd directly: https://systemd.network/systemd.network.html#%5BIPoIB%5D%20Section%20Options
[14:08] <krono> Hi slyon. that's interesting…
[14:09] <krono> Thanks for letting me know…
[14:09] <krono> I have around 50 machines w/ IB that now need an IP… -.-
[14:10] <krono> slyon: what would happen if I just put the ib's dev name into the ethernets: section in a config, will it just be ignored?
[14:10] <krono> (I can't test on production machines :( )
[14:11] <krono> (as per https://code.launchpad.net/~darren-birkett/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/373759/comments/978965 it should somehow work…)
[14:13] <slyon> hmm yeah, I think the main problem is netplan being unable to match the long IB mac addresses. So if you match on other properties (like interface-name) netplan will happily generate sd-networkd configuration files and networkd will try to apply those.
[14:14] <slyon> But I cannot give any guarantees about that, as that's basically an untested/unsupported feature in netplan
[14:17] <slyon> you can write your YAML somewhere (say /tmp/my_netplan_config/etc/netplan/test.yaml) and use `netplan generate --root-dir /tmp/my_netplan_config` and check the outputs at /tmp/my_netplan_config/run/systemd/network
[14:17] <slyon> this will not change the system config, but allows you to inspect what it WOULD do
[14:17] <krono> slyon: Thanks, that is valuable info!
[14:19] <slyon> then you can cross-compare those outputs to the sd-networkd documentation at https://systemd.netwok
[14:52] <krono> slyon: Things worked for me sufficiently, thanks!
[14:52] <slyon> krono: cool, I'm glad it worked out! :)
[14:52] <krono> :)
[14:52] <krono> bye then, everybody
[14:52] <slyon> o/


[08:19] <erichammond> Thanks pleia2 & jtatum for the wonderful tour of San Francisco.  It was perfect!  https://plus.google.com/111045584683584396225/posts/azEzvMyvDZt
[08:20] <pleia2> thanks for coming! :)
[08:21] <pleia2> nice photos
[08:26] <erichammond> I knew about the cable cars, but always imagined them as going up and down a single short hill.  I can't believe the engineering that was required to build a system that long back in the 1800's.
[08:26] <pleia2> yeah, it's pretty impressive
[08:26] <pleia2> the run 3 lines, two both terminate at powell street (where we ended)
[08:27] <pleia2> california is its own line
[08:31] <erichammond> I also love that they still use wooden brakes that put out that wonderful burning smoke smell and have to be replaced every few days.
[17:20] <jtatum> Kind of flintstoneesque, isn't it erichammond?
[17:29] <erichammond> jtatum: :-)


[00:00] <holstein> i would try 'nomodeset' from the live CD you used to install from
[00:00] <holstein> then, you will confirm that it ist he graphics card
[00:00] <xsaidx> holstein: well now i dont have my live usb now i wanna check if its graphical issue or not where can i check that
[00:00] <holstein> if this is something that used to work, and recently broke, you can try what i sugggested to vDexXY
[00:00] <holstein> try an older kernel
[00:01] <xsaidx> holstein: ahh isee just to let you kno ealrlei a days ago i had a conflid in my mother board so i had to deactivate my network card
[00:02] <xsaidx> holstein: infact i had the same poblem im using natty and now installed the kernel 3.1 its not stable is it
[00:02] <holstein> not sure
[00:02] <holstein> i mostly run 10l04
[00:02] <holstein> 10.04*
[00:02] <holstein> i consider the non-LTS's 'testing'
[00:04] <xsaidx> holstein: okies thanks
[00:05] <xsaidx> holstein: i made another account ok and i dont want it to be able to use sudo how can i do that
[00:05] <wxl> i've noticed quite a few changes in network-manager lately tho for me it's been getting nothing but better. it used to be where i couldn't connect more than once to a numeric ssid. that got better. and then it was my wireless was always disabled upon boot. now it's all good.
[00:06] <xsaidx> wxl: any idea how to do that
[00:06] <wxl> i'm on the opposite side of the fence from holstein. i run latest (note, not ubuntu+1) and always include proposed and backports
[00:06] <xsaidx> wxl: i made another account ok and i dont want it to be able to use sudo how can i do that
[00:07] <holstein> wxl: yeah, it can go either way too
[00:07] <wxl> in general it shouldn't by default xsaidx
[00:07] <holstein> with hardware support
[00:07] <holstein> you might get better support from bleeding edge
[00:07] <wxl> holstein: i did get some kernel updates the other day that were fubared
[00:07] <wxl> they were promptly held bakc
[00:07] <holstein> wxl: long as you know what to do... go for it :)
[00:07] <wxl> :)
[00:08] <holstein> xsaidx: try sudo with the new account
[00:09] <xsaidx> holstein: yesh when i do sudo adduser somename i dont wana this account to be able to use sudo
[00:09] <wxl> xsaidx: login to the new user and try to use sudo
[00:09] <wxl> if it works, then we need to fix it
[00:09] <wxl> if not, it's not broken
[00:09] <wxl> (shouldn't be broken)
[00:10] <xsaidx> wxl: i did and used it
[00:10] <wxl> ...and... ?
[00:10] <holstein> xsaidx: so, you made a new user, and you can sudo *as* that new user?
[00:11] <xsaidx> yesh with the new user im able to use sudo and me i dont want this
[00:11] <holstein> when i do 'adduser' in the terminal, that new user comes out default without sudo privs
[00:12] <holstein> xsaidx: would you mind to try that? in the terminal?
[00:12] <holstein> and tell us how you created the user you made already
[00:12] <wxl> isn't user NONE=(NONE) NONE the right syntax for sudoers?
[00:12] <xsaidx> i did sudo adduser name_here
[00:13] <xsaidx> holstein: try what
[00:15] <holstein> xsaidx: right
[00:15] <holstein> thats what works just fine for me
[00:15] <holstein> no sudo rights
[00:16] <xsaidx> holstein: well me ican use in it let me check again haha even i kno already hang on please il swicth to that user
[00:17] <wxl> that's weird
[00:17] <wxl> but not impossible
[00:17] <holstein> the user thing?
[00:17] <wxl> yeah
[00:17] <holstein> i think its something to do with how its being tested
[00:17] <wxl> you can change the template so to speak for new users
[00:17] <wxl> adding them to %admin or %sudo may be what's going on
[00:18] <wxl> ..of course, there's that
[00:18] <holstein> or, how the user was created... some GUI or something
[00:18] <xsaidx> hello guys
[00:19] <xsaidx> im back
[00:19] <wxl> did it work?
[00:19] <xsaidx> yesh hes able to use sudo
[00:19] <holstein> hmmm
[00:19] <wxl> ok so go to system tools > users and groups > manage groups
[00:19] <wxl> check the properties on admin and sudo and make sure that the new user isn't checked
[00:20] <holstein> maybe im just remembering it incorrectly, since no one has that password
[00:20] <xsaidx> holstein: i want to mention that long time ago when i install lbunutu i use sudo with no psw needed to type and changed that manually
[00:20] <holstein> from the live CD?
[00:20] <wxl> if you STILL have the problem then check /etc/sudoers for which groups (that's the %groupname thing) have ALL=(ALL) ALL or ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[00:21] <wxl> you should also look in there to see if there's an explicit line for the user itself
[00:21] <xsaidx> wxl: no this its fixed ; ]
[00:22] <xsaidx> yeh guys its not checked
[00:23] <xsaidx> how can i fix that ?
[00:24] <wxl> go check /etc/sudoers
[00:24] <xsaidx> guys and all the apps installed in my main account are here ready to use is that normal ??
[00:24] <xsaidx> wxl: opned it
[00:24] <wxl> ...and...?
[00:25] <xsaidx> thats my account line in there guest:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/guest:/bin/bash
[00:25] <wxl> wtf that's not /etc/sudoers syntax
[00:26] <xsaidx> dude hang on
[00:26] <holstein> is this a persistent live xsaidx ?
[00:26] <xsaidx> ill pasite.org the file okies
[00:26] <xsaidx> holstein: yesh it is
[00:27] <holstein> well, i would install
[00:27] <holstein> do a typical install, and you'll get a more typical system
[00:27] <holstein> you can install to USB if thats what you are going for
[00:27] <xsaidx> holstein: thats a typical install
[00:27] <lubuntu214> ram is fine just removed one of them rebooted looked at task manager again and notice it was a lot less then put it back in rebooted and checked and back to what it was. so I guess 2 rams of 1gb each adds up to 1.8 gb
[00:27] <xsaidx> noo i install from live usb
[00:28] <holstein> lubuntu214: yeah, thats fine
[00:28] <holstein> some of its probably your graphics too lubuntu214
[00:28] <lubuntu214> maybe
[00:28] <holstein> lubuntu214: ?
[00:28] <holstein> confirm it
[00:28] <holstein> go in the bios and look
[00:28] <lubuntu214> oh yeah my graphics is really low
[00:29] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: some of it will be used for u graphical thingy
[00:29] <wxl> i got a gig
[00:29] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: its not cus its low cus it doesnt have its own memoy
[00:29] <lubuntu214> my graphics card as memory and its not very much
[00:29] <holstein> that doesnt seem like an error
[00:30] <holstein> lubuntu214: open a terminal and run...
[00:30] <holstein> free -m
[00:30] <xsaidx> guys is that possible what hes sayin cus i assume w constructore will never do such thing
[00:30] <xsaidx> o ami wrong
[00:30] <wxl> weird mine shows 1000 and not less
[00:30] <holstein> cool
[00:30] <lubuntu214> I'll pastebin output
[00:30] <holstein> i got 2004
[00:30] <wxl> no need lubuntu214
[00:31] <holstein> lubuntu214: you can, or just look at the total
[00:31] <xsaidx> my lame /etc/passwd http://pastie.org/2828297
[00:31] <wxl> just look for total mem
[00:31] <wxl> NOT /ETC/PASSWD xsaidx
[00:31] <wxl> /ETC/SUDOERS
[00:31] <lubuntu214> just got my new DVD  dual layer burner/player it works great burning some videos on it now! :)
[00:31] <lubuntu214> its tiny very tiny almost the size of the discs that go in it
[00:31] <lubuntu214> very quite too
[00:31] <wxl> fancy
[00:32] <xsaidx> wxl: ok okay
[00:32] <wxl> my laptop still needs a battery.. i have to run off of ac
[00:32] <lubuntu214> works great in lubuntu
[00:32] <wxl> this thinkpad r60 does have a fingerprint scanner.. would be rad to get that going
[00:32] <lubuntu214> search repo for fingerprint scanner
[00:33] <lubuntu214> there's probably a package for it
[00:33] <xsaidx> wxl: http://pastie.org/2828323
[00:33] <wxl> xsaidx: your last line will ensure that every single user has sudo access
[00:33] <lubuntu214> aes2501-wy - userspace software for usb aes2501 fingerprint scanner
[00:33] <lubuntu214> arp-scan - arp scanning and fingerprinting tool
[00:33] <wxl> not having much experience with a persistent live i'm not sure what ramification that may have
[00:34] <lubuntu214> wxl ^^
[00:34] <wxl> neither, lubuntu214 , sorry
[00:34] <lubuntu214> those packages don't work with your fingerprint scanner?
[00:34] <wxl> arp-scan is for networking
[00:34] <xsaidx> wxl: what you mean with pesistent live well me i have a normal install okies and excuse my lame english undestandin ;]
[00:34] <wxl> and i don't have a usb fingerprint scanner
[00:35] <wxl> xsaidx: use "sudo visudoers" to get rid of the last line of that file
[00:35] <wxl> if you have a normal install there should be no reason why that would have any effect
[00:35] <xsaidx> wxl: will comment it out ight ?
[00:35] <wxl> i'm just not sure why the hell it's there
[00:35] <wxl> it basically says "everyone and anyone has access to everything"
[00:35] <lubuntu214> that was fast for burning a 3.12 gb of data on a 4.8gb data its at 99%
[00:35] <lubuntu214> :)
[00:36] <xsaidx> wxl: as i told you while i installed my lbuntu when i hit sudo i wasnt in ned to type the psw and changed that manualy
[00:36] <wxl> xsaidx: i have no clue what you just said, but i'm sure that last line is your problem
[00:37] <xsaidx> wxl: this install okies the first time i use it when i use sudo i dont need to enter the psw im talkin about my main account
[00:37] <mark_> so
[00:38] <VxDev> no chance^^
[00:38] <wxl> xsaidx: get rid of that line and see what happens
[00:38] <xsaidx> wxl: ok
[00:38] <VxDev> still have the rfkill block problem with my wlan
[00:38] <lubuntu214> dvd burning completed!
[00:38] <lubuntu214> :)
[00:38] <holstein> VxDev: you could try ndis with the windows driver
[00:38] <xsaidx> wxl: thanks but why its doin this
[00:38] <VxDev> never used ndis
[00:39] <VxDev> i am still a linux nub^^
[00:39] <lubuntu214> noobies!
[00:39] <lubuntu214> you are what you think!
[00:39] <lubuntu214> remember that!
[00:39] <VxDev> u tu :p
[00:39] <lubuntu214> if you think you're a nub you are one!
[00:39] <VxDev> *too xD
[00:39] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677127 >> VxDev
[00:40] <lubuntu214> there was a famous quote by a famous person about that
[00:40] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: its kind of modesty i kno people knows mcuh stuff about IT but they always i think  or sumthin like this
[00:40] <lubuntu214> if you think you're not then you aren't
[00:40] <VxDev> @wxl i have read this thread already
[00:40] <meetingology> VxDev: Error: "wxl" is not a valid command.
[00:40] <VxDev> no help
[00:41] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: maybe you'e but ur juste wrong okies n maybe not so yeah it deponds
[00:41] <lubuntu214> what??
[00:42] <wxl> seems you're not the only one VxDev .. i'd search for your particular adapter and/or computer
[00:42] <wxl> (along with rfkill block)
[00:42] <wxl> wish i could be of further help. might be a bug
[00:42] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: you might think ur not noob but infact u jst wrong and ur nooob
[00:42] <wxl> which is to say you might search launchpad
[00:42] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: you see my point
[00:42] <wxl> did it work, xsaidx ?
[00:42] <xsaidx> wxl: yesh
[00:43] <xsaidx> wxl: other question is it normal to have acces to all apps installed in my main account ?
[00:43] <lubuntu214> not really
[00:43] <holstein> apps, probably... not the other users /home 's though
[00:43] <wxl> xsaidx: you should make sure that you can properly sudo/login with your other accounts
[00:43] <xsaidx> lubuntu214: please change you name to sumthin uncommon
[00:44] <wxl> apps are usually global, but if you access to some other user's private bin that's not good
[00:44] <xsaidx> wxl: ohh it might cause issues ??
[00:44] <nexus6> hello
[00:44] <wxl> xsaidx: if it's broken, it could. you should just double check.
[00:44] <xsaidx> nexus6: nice nickname
[00:44] <VxDev> anyone knows how the command was to get my hardware informations? lp....?^^
[00:45] <holstein> lspci
[00:45] <VxDev> thx
[00:45] <wxl> lshw too but i don't think that's installed by default
[00:46] <wxl> i think if you give lspci -vvvk it will give information on available kernell modules as well as currently installed ones which i imagine would be particularly useful to you VxDev
[00:46] <VxDev> well i first try the ndis method
[00:47] <xsaidx> back guys
[00:47] <VxDev> if this doesnt work, i guess i have to install a windows to turn on wifi again -_-
[00:47] <KM0201> VxDev: what is your wireless device?
[00:47] <reflexrg> other nicks registered
[00:47] <VxDev> 07:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[00:48] <KM0201> VxDev: those should work out of the box.
[00:48] <KM0201> they did for me anyway
[00:48] <VxDev> well it worked
[00:48] <VxDev> till sunday
[00:49] <VxDev> since then it is blocked -_-
[00:49] <KM0201> ..
[00:49] <KM0201> well that doesn't make sense
[00:49] <KM0201> what did you do on saturday?
[00:49] <VxDev> i give my laptop to my brother, he was surfing and the day after that it didnt work anymore^^
[00:50] <xsaidx> VxDev: haha then dont give it to him next time LOL
[00:50] <VxDev> i killed him already^^
[00:50] <VxDev> ;D
[00:50] <KM0201> xsaidx: well, did you ask him what he done?
[00:50] <VxDev> so no chance to get more infos from him
[00:50] <KM0201> VxDev: and before i reinstalled Windows, I'd just reinstall Lubuntu (thats just my opinion)
[00:51] <KM0201> he did something.. obviously
[00:51] <VxDev> already tried a lubuntu-version on my stick
[00:51] <VxDev> and have done this cos the prev method didnt work^^
[00:51] <VxDev> so
[00:51] <xsaidx> KM0201: done what and to who ?
[00:51] <VxDev> i have an old lubuntu-version
[00:51] <VxDev> and still doesnt work
[00:51] <KM0201> xsaidx: sorry, meant that for VxDev
[00:51] <VxDev> Linux hpbook 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:52] <KM0201> VxDev: well download the current version?
[00:52] <VxDev> i thought the whole problem is caused by the latest version
[00:52] <KM0201> VxDev: you're not making any sense
[00:52] <VxDev> why?
[00:52] <xsaidx> VxDev: then try natty
[00:52] <VxDev> everyone says the newest kernel is the cause
[00:53] <VxDev> i have natty -_-
[00:53] <VxDev> 11.04 i think
[00:53] <VxDev> there was an update with 11.10 or something
[00:53] <KM0201> you said it worked fine until saturday(i assume it was the current version when you gave it to him).... now you have it back and it doesn't work, yet you think the current version is the problem.
[00:53] <VxDev> maybe my bro installed it
[00:53] <KM0201> ok, now we're getting somewhere
[00:54] <KM0201> 11.04, that device had a lot of problems (at least it did for me)
[00:54] <wxl> why do you have rfkill again, VxDev ?
[00:54] <KM0201> but honestly, 11.10, it should "just work"
[00:54] <VxDev> to see what was the problem
[00:54] <VxDev> and it seems that my wlan is hardblocked
[00:54] <wxl> so it didn't work BEFORE rfkill?
[00:54] <VxDev> and i cant use fn+f11 to reenable it
[00:54] <VxDev> i guess
[00:54] <wxl> maybe your hotkey is messed up
[00:54] <VxDev> but rfkill was already installed :-\
[00:55] <KM0201> VxDev: try clean installing 11.10
[00:55] <VxDev> all the other hotkeys work perfectly
[00:55] <wxl> that means next to nothing
[00:55] <KM0201> second, your brother needs the crap kicked out of him, you don't do upgrades like that on someone elses machine... when it's on loan to you.
[00:55] <VxDev> oot@hpbook:/home/mark# rfkill list all
[00:55] <VxDev> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: yes
[00:55] <VxDev> 1: hci0: Bluetooth Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no
[00:56] <VxDev> thats the prob, i dont know what happend to the laptop
[00:56] <VxDev> but well ill try 11.10
[00:57] <KM0201> VxDev: i take it you tried "rfkill unblock all"   right?
[00:57] <VxDev> yes^^
[00:57] <VxDev> and rmmod + unblock + modprobe no chance
[00:58] <VxDev> and i took out the battery, tried 30 secs power button to maybe restart hardware, no chance
[00:58] <VxDev> in bios i cant turn it on or off
[00:59] <KM0201> VxDev: if you boot a live cd/USB... does the device work?
[00:59] <VxDev> the wifi-fn button has a light, if it is off it is red, if it is on it is blue, well booting it it gets from red to blue and it always is blue and i cant turn it off
[00:59] <VxDev> no tried live usb
[00:59] <KM0201> VxDev: ok, what about cd?
[00:59] <VxDev> didnt try, but shouldnt make a difference
[00:59] <VxDev> maybe another ubuntu version?
[01:00] <KM0201> VxDev: you're not making any sense
[01:00] <KM0201> so you have not tried booting a cd or USB?
[01:00] <VxDev> i tried booting an usb :-\
[01:00] <VxDev> but not a cd
[01:00] <KM0201> ok, and your wireless still did not work.
[01:00] <KM0201> on the live usb?
[01:00] <VxDev> yes
[01:01] <KM0201> did you try running rfkill unblock all     on the live usb?
[01:01] <VxDev> yes
[01:03] <VxDev> but as u know rfkill unblock all doesnt effect hard blocked wifi
[01:03] <KM0201> right
[01:03] <KM0201> i'm wondering if there isn't something wrong w/ your wifi switch
[01:05] <VxDev> no plan
[01:05] <VxDev> how can i find out?^^
[01:06] <KM0201> thats the only thing that makes sense
[01:06] <KM0201> maybe bro was a little aggressive when he went to turn it off?
[01:06] <KM0201> frankly i never use those hardware buttons anyway... they do tend to be finicky under Linux
[01:08] <VxDev> aggressive when he turned it off?
[01:08] <lubuntu214> just burnt a dvd and both my internal and external drives can't read it. xfburn said it was completed finne... what gives. I am able to mount dvd movies dunno why he won't mount what I just burnt
[01:09] <VxDev> is it possible to reset the wifi-module if i take the hardware out, reboot, shutdown and put it in again?^^
[01:09] <KM0201> aggressive=broke the button underneath... pushing it way to hard
[01:09] <wxl> there should be an acpi event for that key
[01:09] <wxl> what kind of computer is it?
[01:09] <VxDev> hp 635^^
[01:10] <VxDev> how can i see these acpi events
[01:12] <VxDev> well one guess
[01:12] <VxDev> maybe it is connected to jupiter
[01:13] <VxDev> i used it before to turn my wifi/bluetooth on and off while in plain or train
[01:13] <VxDev> but jupiter didnt work for one week or so, since i changed my panel
[01:13] <VxDev> it seems that jupiter is connected to rfkill
[01:14] <wxl> shit i can't find it
[01:14] <VxDev> ?
[01:15] <wxl> the acpi event
[01:15] <wxl> it's well documented for my thinkpad
[01:15] <VxDev> ah k^^
[01:15] <wxl> holy shit i DO have a usb fingerprint reader
[01:15] <VxDev> isnt there something like dmesg that shows me a log when i push a button
[01:15] <VxDev> :D
[01:16] <KM0201> assuming the button works.. dmesg would probably show it.
[01:16] <VxDev> [   62.428468] atkbd serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e02b <keycode>' to make it known.
[01:16] <VxDev> lol look what i found in dmesg^^
[01:16] <wxl> probably being the key word
[01:16] <wxl> ain't doing crap for me
[01:18] <VxDev> well jupiter didnt solve the problem, so it has to be the button
[01:18] <VxDev> how can i use this setkeycodes... ^^
[01:27] <VxDev> ok i try 11.10
[01:50] <mugwort13> Anyone know of a decent pkg to get cursor feedback in Lubuntu?  (sort of like the spinning wheel in Gnome)
[01:52] <KM0201> nope, sorry
[02:07] <lubuntu214> solved the issue I used brasero instead of xfburn to burn the dvd now when I insert this after burning it actually mounts
[02:08] <lubuntu214> dunno why maybe I should file a bug report
[02:09] <KM0201> lubuntu214: well, xfburn sucks.. it always has.
[02:09] <lubuntu214> I'll have to find my dvd rw don't want to waste another dvd r just for a report
[02:10] <lubuntu214> decided to install brasero cause it doesn't require like a ton of libraries for gnome like k3d does with kde
[02:11] <KM0201> right
[02:11] <lubuntu214> I am really happy with my new dvd player
[02:11] <KM0201> k3b is slick, but installing all those kde libraries sucks.
[02:11] <KM0201> personally, i'm disappointed that gnomebaker is no longer
[02:11] <lubuntu214> it is very quite and it plays avi files very well with playing dvd
[02:12] <lubuntu214> also the price was great too
[02:12] <lubuntu214> 28 dollars for this bad boy
[02:12] <lubuntu214> on amazon
[02:13] <lubuntu214> I had a plextor external I don't recommend it it is an expensive piece of shit that breaks after like 50 burns
[02:13] <lubuntu214> its huge too
[02:13] <lubuntu214> this player is tiny almost the size of the discs that go in it
[03:06] <wxl> harumph
[03:20] <stigz> How do you restart the X server from the command line?
[03:20] <wxl> startx didn't work?
[03:21] <stigz> sudo /etc/lxdm restart
[03:21] <stigz> perhaps?
[03:21] <holstein> sudo reboot ;)
[03:21] <wxl> heh
[03:25] <wxl> the binary is at /usr/sbin/lxdm
[06:43] <wxl> ;mark
[06:43] <bioterror> ;hamill
[06:43] <bioterror> morning
[06:45] <M0hi> wxl: Wrong channel?
[06:45] <wxl> oh bah
[06:45] <wxl> no
[06:45] <wxl> wrong character
[06:45] <bioterror> !mark
[06:45] <wxl> was trying to /mark my spot
[16:21] <xsaidx> hello guys anyone use keepassX
[16:21] <13WAARKUE> I used to use it. Nowadays I use only the inbuild passsword generator of KeePassX whenever I need random name for something.
[16:22] <xsaidx> 13WAARKUE: idk why even i make an autotype username/psw i get nethin when in the fieds when the page  gets opnend
[16:24] <xsaidx> 13WAARKUE: any idea why
[16:25] <13WAARKUE> Sorry, I don't have any idea. I don't think that I ever used that autotype feature.
[16:26] <xsaidx> 13WAARKUE: okay thanks
[18:40] <MGandTL> Err...hi, Julien-there isn't any reasonably sized icons available-what's the protocol for this?
[18:42] <KM0201> say what?
[18:44] <MGandTL> Err....I was talking to julien about a bug I'm fixing. a 'no icon' bug. apprently debian-specific, so not upstream's problem. He said to come here.
[18:44] <MGandTL> IDK, sorry if I came to wrong place.
[18:45] <MGandTL> is there a 'bugs channel instead?
[18:52] <Timo_> MGandTL: you could try #lubuntu-offtopic but I'm not sure if that's the right place, as it is not really off topic :P
[18:52] <Unit193> Or you could ping gilir
[18:53] <MGandTL> Ahh...that's what he said to do, but I didn't know what that meant, so I assumed join this.
[18:53] <MGandTL> :L
[18:53] <MGandTL> Anyone enlighten me?
[18:54] <gilir> MGandTL, just write my name, so I have a notification on IRC :)
[18:55] <MGandTL> ahh....gotcha.
[18:55] <MGandTL> :)
[18:55] <Unit193> (Basically, I just did for you :P )
[18:55] <MGandTL> gilir, what do I do if upstream doesn't supply icon?
[18:56] <MGandTL> thanks, Unit.
[18:57] <gilir> MGandTL, well there are icons in games/ that you can use, it's probably the easier way to fix it
[18:58] <MGandTL> okay, but they are v.small. I was thinking for gnome3 etc, as the bug should affect all of them.
[18:58] <MGandTL> thanks for help, if you think /games would do, that's fine.
[18:58] <MGandTL> :)
[18:58] <MGandTL> I'll get going.
[18:59] <gilir> the other solution is to create them, but you need some artistic skills :)
[18:59] <KM0201> i usually juse google image for icons, and it works out fine.
[19:00] <KM0201> put them all in a common flder, and i know where they are
[19:00] <MGandTL> ok, that's what I did. just checking with people, first ug ever.
[19:01] <MGandTL> *bug
[19:02] <MGandTL> so I'll do the cleaning thing and stick with original, that be ok, gilir?
[19:02] <gilir> KM0201, but you need to check if the license is OK, no very easy for a random image from Google
[19:03] <KM0201> gilir: i've never really worried bout that
[19:03] <MGandTL> true. I'll check site I got it from. I can always replace.
[19:03] <gilir> for you maybe, but not for images you want to put in Ubuntu ;)
[19:03] <MGandTL> How about I check site, file bug in art or something, leave it at that.
[19:03] <MGandTL> ?
[19:03] <KM0201> gilir: well yeah, thats what i was saying "for me".
[19:03] <KM0201> thats why i told him what "i" do..
[19:04] <MGandTL> sorry I'm being a pain.
[19:04] <MGandTL> I'll get back to coding.
[19:04] <MGandTL> :)
[19:04] <gilir> MGandTL, that's why using image in upstream is easier, you're you will not have this type of problems :)
[19:06] <MGandTL> gilir, ok. I'm just not sure what to, the icons aren't really big enough, I asked upstream and they said it's not their problem. Whcih I suppose it's not.
[19:06] <MGandTL> I'll go with the round icon and the blocky appearance won't look too bad in Unity menu.
[19:06] <MGandTL> etc.
[19:06] <MGandTL> If somebody doesn't like it, they can fix it.
[19:07] <MGandTL> round icon from /games, don't worry.
[19:08] <gilir> yes, it's better than nothing
[19:08] <MGandTL> yup. okay, do that.
[19:08] <MGandTL> byeee!
[20:39] <xiaoy> How to add an item to lxde's bottom-bar?
[20:41] <manvo> Right Click on LXPanel > Add/Remove Panel Items
[20:41] <wxl> ..unless you want to add something incompatible, like some gnome applet
[20:41] <wxl> (at least for now)
[20:44] <xiaoy> wxl, thanks for the answer. I just need to add an application launcher, how to do it?
[20:45] <wxl> you mena you want to add to the default pcmanfm and chromium, xiaoy ?
[20:45] <wxl> if so right click on one of them and click on "application launch bar" settings
[20:45] <wxl> if for some reason you're trying to add an app that isn't in the menu, then you need to make an entry for it
[20:46] <wxl> for that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_don.27t_know_how_to_make.2BAC8-add_a_application_to_.22start.22_menu%2E
[20:47] <xiaoy> wxl, yes i need to make first a link in the main menu, the link you posted is about that?
[20:48] <wxl> yep
[20:49] <xiaoy> wxl, thank you very much, that's what i was looking for ;)
[20:52] <wxl> np xiaoy
[21:29] <kevlar_> Hi, I have a question
[21:29] <kevlar_> I just installed lubuntu and I'm wondering how I can access my network forlders
[21:32] <nothingspecial> kevlar_: windows or linux?
[21:34] <kevlar_> Its a windows network folder
[21:35] <wxl> kevlar_: smb://server/share
[21:35] <wxl> in pcmanfm
[21:36] <nothingspecial> kevlar_: You need samba. I know nothing of windows. Sorry.
[21:36] <kevlar_> Thanks
[21:36] <wxl> nothingspecial: samba's already built it
[21:36] <wxl> built in i mean
[21:36] <wxl> pcmanfm will mount it to ~/.gvfs if you want to access it through terminal
[21:37] <wxl> or if you like an all terminal solution:
[21:37] <wxl> mount -t cifs //server/share /mountlocation
[21:38] <wxl> sudo mount -t cifs //server/share /mountlocation