[12:41] <LongAzBan> Hi
[12:43] <LongAzBan> I got a iRig 2 and I try to install wineasio to use it but it get me an error. Does anybody who can help me ?
[12:44] <LongAzBan> okay it was just a problem because i didn't install gcc
[12:44] <LongAzBan> hi
[13:41] <hegemon8> hey there smart people. i'm on kubuntu 16.04 i have Yamaha PSR-340 and midi to usb cable...i see it in system, but any way to hooking it upp from net didn't do the trick... anyone can help me find what am i missing?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> #opensourcemusicians might know about something that specific
[13:44] <hegemon8> thats a great lead, thanks, i'm on it. I'm getting nervous that all seem to do what i tried and got it working :)
[13:44] <hegemon8> anyways, thanks a lot, and have a great rest of the day
[21:05] <studio-user766> hello, anyone know JACK well?
[21:05] <studio-user766> my qjackctl seems to be working fine, only, no sound is being outputted... (whereas audacity or firefox playback normally...)
[21:06] <studio-user766> i have the feeling this might be a total beginner's thing but maybe one of you can solve this in 1 min...
[21:39] <OvenWerks> Is firefox playing normally with jack running?
[21:41] <studio-user766> yes
[21:41] <studio-user766> maybe i should turn off firefox?
[21:42] <OvenWerks> normally that would mean FF is playing through jack... the way ubuntustudio is set up)
[21:42] <studio-user766> ah.. it doesn't seem to be though ... jack doesn't show any kind of firefox looking program..
[21:43] <studio-user766> and neither is audacity by default..
[21:43] <OvenWerks> does it show pulse audio?
[21:43] <studio-user766> nope
[21:43] <studio-user766> does 16.04 still use pulseaudio?
[21:43] <OvenWerks> either jack is set to some other interface, or it has not really started
[21:43] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:43] <studio-user766> hmm strange..
[21:44] <OvenWerks> 1604 still uses pulse
[21:44] <studio-user766> and how can i check pulse?
[21:44] <studio-user766> btw i don't know how to check my system version...
[21:45] <studio-user766> got sysinfo but that crashes on the system tab
[21:45] <OvenWerks> in a terminal run: cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh
[21:45] <OvenWerks> paste the output to a paste site like pastebi.com and share the url here
[21:45] <OvenWerks> *pastebin
[21:46] <OvenWerks> do that with jack started and FF playing.
[21:46] <studio-user766> syntax error near unexpected && symbol...
[21:46] <studio-user766> ?
[21:48] <studio-user766> im sure i didn't write any errors..
[21:48] <OvenWerks> worked here, also in 16.04
[21:49] <studio-user766> isn't there just a small error in the line or something?
[21:49] <OvenWerks> which terminal are you using?
[21:49] <OvenWerks> I copied and pasted from the above line in irc.
[21:49] <studio-user766> basic standard terminal
[21:50] <OvenWerks> you can run it as three lines if you wish then
[21:50] <studio-user766> also have XTerm and UXTerm
[21:50] <studio-user766> ok ill try that...
[21:52] <studio-user766> ok it worked.. just a sec for pastebin..
[21:54] <studio-user766> how do i copy from the terminal?
[21:54] <studio-user766> (im a rookie...)
[21:54] <studio-user766> (thanks btw!)
[21:54] <OvenWerks> run your mouse over the text... edit->copy got to ff and edit paste?
[21:55] <OvenWerks> (the text should be highlited of course)
[21:55] <studio-user766> but there's no edit tab...
[21:55] <studio-user766> eh menu i mean
[21:55] <OvenWerks> no menu where?
[21:56] <studio-user766> no edit menu
[21:56] <OvenWerks> in which program?
[21:56] <studio-user766> right clicking doesn't work either..
[21:56] <studio-user766> i might try another terminal...
[21:57] <OvenWerks> you may be able to highlite holding the left mouse down and paste with a middle click...
[21:57] <studio-user766> click on the scrolling wheel?
[21:58] <studio-user766> which terminal are u using?
[21:59] <OvenWerks> xfce4-terminal 0.6.3
[21:59] <OvenWerks> The default for ubuntustudio
[21:59] <studio-user766> ok just a minute
[22:02] <studio-user766> hmm won't open? or i'm already using it..
[22:02] <studio-user766> ,
[22:02] <OvenWerks> you should be able to open as many terminals as you like
[22:02] <OvenWerks> (I have 7 of them open right now)
[22:04] <studio-user766> getting there... installing clipman
[22:04] <studio-user766> as well as xfce4 goodies
[22:08] <studio-user766> here goes :
[22:08] <studio-user766> https://pastebin.com/X6M1QK9u
[22:09] <OvenWerks> So you have both internal audio and a USB audio device.
[22:09] <OvenWerks> Pulse is using your internal device and jack is connected to your USB device
[22:10] <OvenWerks> Audio in jack will output to the USB device.
[22:10] <studio-user766> hmm i'm not aware of any usb audio device other than a usb mic for input and a usb midi keyboard
[22:10] <OvenWerks> does that USB mic have a headphne plug?
[22:10] <studio-user766> how can i decide who gets to use pulse?
[22:10] <studio-user766> nope
[22:10] <studio-user766> no headphone plug
[22:11] <OvenWerks> first thing to know if that jack cannot directly use two different audio devices.
[22:11] <studio-user766> i mean i can change the choice of interface and run your tool again ...
[22:11] <studio-user766> hmm
[22:12] <studio-user766> it seems i might have to run jack before any other program,
[22:12] <OvenWerks>  if it is connected to internal then it can't see the usb device and if it is connected to the usb mic itcan't also see the internal device
[22:12] <studio-user766> setting it to the right one
[22:13] <OvenWerks> you should be able to choose the default audio device in qjackctl and then use zita-a2j to connect your usb mic to jack.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> Generally pulseaudio will give up the audio to jackd when jackd startes
[22:14] <studio-user766> zita a2j ?
[22:14] <OvenWerks> zita-a2j
[22:14] <OvenWerks> or alsa_in
[22:14] <studio-user766> ladi system tray ?
[22:14] <OvenWerks> alsa_in comes with jackd
[22:15] <OvenWerks> no
[22:15] <OvenWerks> both of the above utilities have to be run from the commandline]
[22:16] <studio-user766> aha i c
[22:16] <studio-user766> which a2j command would connect my usb mic?
[22:18] <OvenWerks> zita-a2j -j USB -d CODEC
[22:18] <studio-user766> hey thanks a lot already ... i guess i'll try turning off and on everything and see if i can manage to make this work.. if i get back to this same url i'll find u here?
[22:18] <OvenWerks> shold work I think.
[22:19] <studio-user766> hmm the name is not CODEC
[22:19] <OvenWerks> some of the time, I sleep and have a life too :)
[22:19] <studio-user766> haha :) yes obviously
[22:19] <OvenWerks> hw:CODEC,0,0 maybe?
[22:19] <studio-user766> very cool in any case to get all this info, i definitely am more hopeful to make it work than a while ago..
[22:20] <OvenWerks> zita-a2j -j USB -d hw:CODEC,0,0
[22:20] <studio-user766> nope
[22:20] <studio-user766> maybe something with PCM 9200 or so..
[22:20] <OvenWerks> Hmm thats what your paste says...
[22:20] <studio-user766> ok..
[22:21] <OvenWerks> your paste shows two devices: hw:Intel and hw:CODEC
[22:23] <studio-user766> hm.. nothing so far after trying a few variations on the theme..
[22:23] <OvenWerks> what error does it show?
[22:23] <studio-user766> but maybe that's because my mic is connected to audacity already? or so..
[22:23] <OvenWerks> could be
[22:23] <studio-user766> btw if i use it for recording in audacity it gives a horrible hiss in the back
[22:23] <OvenWerks> audacity will not let go of a device the way pulse will.
[22:23] <studio-user766> a while ago it didn't do that..
[22:24] <OvenWerks> that I don't know.
[22:24] <studio-user766> fretje@fretje-R510-P510:~$ zita-a2j -j USB -d hw:CODEC,0,0 Can't open ALSA capture device 'hw:CODEC,0,0'. fretje@fretje-R510-P510:~$ zita-a2j -j USB -d hw:CODEC,0 Can't open ALSA capture device 'hw:CODEC,0'. fretje@fretje-R510-P510:~$ zita-a2j -j USB -d hw:CODEC Can't open ALSA capture device 'hw:CODEC'. fretje@fretje-R510-P510:~$ zita-a2j -j USB -d CODEC,0 ALSA lib pcm.c:2266:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM CODEC,0 C
[22:25] <studio-user766> hmm wait
[22:25] <studio-user766> ill bin it
[22:25] <studio-user766> https://pastebin.com/BgaaL3FL
[22:25] <OvenWerks> can't open could be true if audacity is using it.
[22:26] <OvenWerks> it looks like something else is using the USB mic, Jackd still maybe?
[22:31] <studio-user766> hmm nope actually i found info on the website of my usb driver that it doesn't pass in the normal way ...
[22:31] <studio-user766> that's a bit vague i know
[22:32] <OvenWerks> Ok, I do have to go pick my Yf up from work, so I will be gone for a while.
[22:32] <studio-user766> ok cool, im in europe so off to sleep in a while i guess but i'll try this first and maybe catch u later...
[22:33] <studio-user766> thanks heaps in any case!
[22:49] <studio-user330> hey everyone... I'm having trouble with JACK
[22:51] <studio-user330> this is what JACK's telling me on startup : https://pastebin.com/E3QLCpaM
[22:51] <studio-user330> anyone out there with some magical ideas?


[01:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#2550 closed: storeapi: move from details (v1) to info (v2) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2550>
[07:04] <mvo> I need a review for the 2.39 PRs
[07:22] <pedronis> mvo: I double-checked quickly and approved the backports
[07:22] <pedronis> and hi
[07:25] <mvo> pedronis: thanks! and good morning :)
[07:28] <mup> PR snapd#6814 closed: overlord/corecfg: make expiration of automatic snapshots configurable (4/4) - 2.39 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6814>
[07:28] <mup> PR snapd#6815 closed: snapstate: auto-install snapd when needed (2.39) <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6815>
[08:11] <mup> PR snapd#6818 closed: snapshotstate: disable automatic snapshots on core for now <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6818>
[08:31] <mvo> pedronis: good news, all PRs for 2.39 are in, there is a travis failure right now that I'm looking at though, not sure if its a fluke or not
[08:31] <pedronis> ok
[08:51] <mvo> pedronis: do you think 6810 can go in with just one review? its mostly shuffling things around so it seems that is ok(?)
[09:02] <pedronis> mvo: I suppose so, a bit your call, it would be good if somebody outside of us was aware of the change
[09:03] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, that pushes it to monday but thats ok I think
[09:04] <pedronis> I probably will have 3 more PRs today, getting quite close to the core of rereg, and also to your code/PRs
[09:04] <mvo> pedronis: great
[09:05] <mvo> pedronis: my afternoon will be full of meetings
[09:05] <mvo> pedronis: but I hope to spent the morning in a productive way
[09:05]  * mvo looks at one build failure in sbuild though
[09:06] <pedronis> yea, I'll try also do some reviewing but yes, most of the meetings I'm also there
[09:06]  * mvo nods
[09:10] <pedronis> mvo: it would also be good to land your Remodel PRs because I probably need to touch that code a bit as well soon
[09:10] <pedronis> but probably Monday at this point
[09:13] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, they need reviews
[09:14] <pedronis> mvo: also, for next week but I was reminded that we need undo tests for remodeling and that's there a bug related to queueCommand (using service commands from configure hooks) that affects seeding but will also affects more annyoingly remodel
[09:20] <mvo> pedronis: hrm, that sounds annoying
[09:21] <pedronis> mvo: slightly rare, but yes annoying, still need to think out to fix it
[09:22] <mup> PR snapd#6819 opened: osutil: fix TestReadBuildGo test in sbuild <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6819>
[09:22] <pedronis> mvo: the issue is that as it is queueCommand puts stuff after mark-seeded, and now set-model
[09:23] <pedronis> which relates to lanes and undo and how we use them or not
[09:23] <pedronis> as well
[09:23] <pedronis> bit of a tangle
[09:28] <mup> PR snapd#6820 opened: snap-confine: improve error when running on a not /home homedir <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6820>
[09:33] <pedronis> mvo: let me know when you have the new changelog for 2.39 since pre1
[09:37] <mup> PR snapd#6821 opened: many: make which store to use contextual  <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6821>
[09:39] <mvo> pedronis: mailed it to you
[09:40] <pedronis> thx, opening one more PR and then will look at it
[09:42] <mvo> pedronis: ok, I prepare the release but will wait for you with this then
[09:42] <mvo> pedronis: test building in the ppa now to ensure we have no build failures in sbuild
[09:46] <pedronis> mvo: looks as expected but aren't we missing the PR by maciej about runuser and selinux and snapshots?
[09:48] <pedronis> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6748
[09:48] <mup> PR #6748: data/selinux: tweak the policy for runuser and s-c, interpret audit entries <SELinux> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6748>
[09:49] <pedronis> or is the changelong missing some bits
[09:50] <pedronis> it was tagged 2.39
[09:54] <pedronis> mvo: mmh, same question about #6802
[09:54] <pedronis> mvo: did we forget some backports?
[09:54] <mup> PR #6802: overlord/ifacestate: update static attributes of "content" interface <⚠ Critical> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6802>
[09:57] <mvo> pedronis: let me double check
[09:58] <mvo> pedronis: 6802 is in (unless I miss something), b2c4893 is there in 2.39
[09:58] <mvo> pedronis: but the selinux is missing, thanks for this one
[10:00] <pedronis> mvo: it's interesting that 6802 is not in the changelog
[10:00] <pedronis> are we dropping some stuff?
[10:00] <pedronis> but yes, I see it in the branch
[10:00] <mvo> pedronis: maybe a bug in the script, let me debug
[10:05] <mup> PR snapd#6822 opened: overlord/devicestate: introduce registrationContext <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6822>
[10:09] <mvo> pedronis: found the issue, the commit is malformated, we usually have pattern: "cmd,snapd: what changed"
[10:09] <mvo> pedronis: this one is missing that
[10:10] <mvo> pedronis: I will add it manually and think a bit more about if the script should warn about those
[10:10] <pedronis> mvo: the PR looked right https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6802 so it was are intefact of merging or the backport
[10:11] <mup> PR #6802: overlord/ifacestate: update static attributes of "content" interface <⚠ Critical> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6802>
[10:11] <mvo> pedronis: oh, indeed
[10:11] <niemeyer> cmatsuoka: Review is in.. just a couple of last points
[10:30] <mvo> pedronis: I updated the changelog manually now and once travis is green I will upload and push to beta
[11:04] <mup> PR snapd#6823 opened: [RFC] packaging: build empty package on powerpc <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6823>
[11:10] <mvo> pedronis: we *may* want 6823 for 2.39, I will try to get opinions from foundations
[11:10] <mvo> pedronis: it will mostly make their processes easier as all arches will have packages
[11:10]  * mvo gets lunch first
[11:11] <pedronis> mvo: happy to do what they prefer there
[11:11] <mvo> pedronis: yeah, I had the impression this is good for them but its a hack so I want to confirm first
[11:21] <cmatsuoka> niemeyer: thanks!
[11:44] <pedronis> mvo: I did a bit of reviewing
[11:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#2542 closed: meta: Validate common ID against appstream metadata <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2542>
[12:46] <petan> how can I reset release number back to ^ ?
[12:47] <petan> I changed candidate and beta in past to certain number, I don't want that anymore, I want them to fall back to release number as they do by default
[12:47] <petan> but no idea how to reset it back to original state
[12:52] <pedronis> petan: maybe you mean  "snapcraft close candidate beta",  after that they will follow stable
[12:53] <pedronis> sorry "snapcraft close <snap-name>..."
[13:52] <mup> PR snapd#6824 opened: release: 2.39 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6824>
[13:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#2551 opened: project: read local plugins from build-aux <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2551>
[14:09]  * cachio afk
[14:28] <mvo> kenvandine: beta has the fix now (version is still 2.39~rc1 but will become 2.39 in some minutes)
[14:29] <kenvandine> mvo: thanks
[14:37] <mvo> cachio: core 2.39 is in the beta channel now
[15:01] <cachio> mvo, starting validation
[15:01] <cachio> thanks
[15:06] <mvo> cachio: thank you!
[15:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#2552 opened: release: 3.4.1 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2552>
[15:13] <clobrano> hi! I have some problems installing snapcraft for development after upgrade to 19.04, specifically installing python-apt I got a huge error message https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tjQM3HJrrg/
[15:13] <clobrano> I meant, installing snapcraft dependencies
[15:23] <kenvandine> mvo: confirmed it seems to fix the issue, thanks!
[15:27] <sergiusens> clobrano: you need to develop inside a 16.04 environment, easiest way is to "lxc launch ubuntu:16.04" and setup in there
[15:27] <sergiusens> you would be using the incorrect python version if not
[15:39] <mvo> kenvandine: \o/
[15:39] <mvo> kenvandine: thanks for double checking
[15:41] <nemosupremo> Hi, I'm trying to understand the process of building ubuntu-core images. Some of the software I need on the image can't be packaged into a snap, as well as I want to copy some configuration files directly on the device itself. Is there a way I can run a shell script before the image is created?
[15:45] <cachio> mvo, changelog was not generated here https://people.canonical.com/~mvo/core-changes/html/beta/
[15:48] <mvo> cachio: looking
[15:56] <mvo> cachio: should be good now
[15:57] <cachio> mvo, thanks
[16:04] <clobrano> sergiusens: oh, I missed this important info :D, thanks!
[16:06] <jdstrand> niemeyer: hey, fyi https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6681#issuecomment-489150666
[16:06] <mup> PR #6681: many: support system-users for 'daemon' user <Complex> <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6681>
[16:08] <jdstrand> joeubuntu: fyi, mvo changed ^ that to be in 2.40, not 2.39, so it is officially out for sprint
[16:09] <jdstrand> mvo: since you did that, there is no rush in getting libseccomp 2.4.1 in core/core18 or snapd
[16:10] <joeubuntu> thanks for the heads up jdstrand
[16:10] <jdstrand> testing is so far good with 2.4.1, we'll likely have it in a security update sometime after the sprint
[16:10] <jdstrand> at which point, the core, core18 and snapd snaps will just have it
[16:13] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah, sorry, this one was a tough call
[16:14] <jdstrand> mvo: np. that feature was plaugued with difficulty. I'm surprised we are as far along as we are :)
[16:14] <jdstrand> mvo: so many steps back before we could be where we are today
[16:15] <joeubuntu> mvo jdstrand I'd rather do it right then rush it and introduce an error.
[16:24] <wis> ogra, is there a way for core to connect a different wifi network other than the console-conf(igured) one on first boot?
[16:24] <wis> I am following the docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/stacks/network/network-manager/docs/configure-wifi-connections
[16:25] <wis> nmcli r wifi on is not listing the WiFi network i'm connected to
[16:27] <wis> `nmcli d wifi list` * I meant to paste ^
[17:05] <tooijar> Do 'prepare' and 'install' properties work as described here https://docs.snapcraft.io/snapcraft-parts-metadata
[17:05] <tooijar> I'm getting "Additional properties are not allowed"
[17:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#2553 opened: ci: use --destructive-mode to build snap in travis <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2553>
[18:46] <mup> PR snapd#6641 closed: snap-gdb-shim: switch to the SUDO_UID when available <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6641>
[18:52] <mup> PR snapd#6825 opened: cmd: rework `snap run --gdb` to work as user <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6825>
[18:55] <mup> PR snapd#6826 opened: tests: enable tests on centos 7 again <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6826>
[19:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#2554 opened: release: 3.4.1 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2554>
[19:20] <om26er> Hi! Are there instructions somewhere on how to build a snap on Travis ?
[19:21] <om26er> I found these instruction https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/deployment/snaps/ but they seem to be for deploy only
[19:29] <tooijar> To answer my own question, for anyone who might be curious..."prepare" and "install" do NOT work as described at https://docs.snapcraft.io/snapcraft-parts-metadata
[19:30] <tooijar> They are deprecated https://docs.snapcraft.io/t/deprecation-notices/8396
[19:30] <tooijar> I submitted a request for docs update https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-parts-metadata/8336/6
[20:19] <AlexPortable> Can someone help me creating a wine snap?
[20:19] <AlexPortable> https://github.com/mmtrt/wine-platform
[20:19] <AlexPortable> I currently found this, but how do I merge my wine installation with this snap?
[20:45] <AlexPortable> and how can i set a weekly refresh for my snaps?
[21:00] <mup> PR snapd#6827 opened: tests: fix "Placeholer" is a misspelling of "Placeholder" issue <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6827>
[21:29] <zyga> AlexPortable: hey, please come back on Monday for more help but you can probably find examples on the forum. Look for snap set core refresh.schedule please.
[21:35] <AlexPortable> what is the difference between system refresh.timer and core refresh.schedule ?
[23:27] <luke-jr> How do I get snapcraft installed without a 4.4 kernel?
[23:59] <luke-jr> ugh, and it wants root too?


[19:01] <thatva> Hi. Is it possible to use a different squashfs when installing to disk? I've tried to use a preseeded "ubiquity ubiquity/install/filesystem-images string /cdrom/localdata/customized.squashfs" but couldn't get it to work
[20:43] <cyphermox> thatva: you can, but the files should be under the casper path (/cdrom/casper, usually), or as exactly: /live/image/live/filesystem.squashfs
[20:44] <cyphermox> thatva: you may change the "casper" string in the casper path by setting LIVE_MEDIA_PATH to what you want
[20:44] <cyphermox> ie. LIVE_MEDIA_PATH=toto will get you /cdrom/toto as a path.
[20:45] <cyphermox> so when you preseed filesystem-images, use just the file-name if the file is in /cdrom/casper
[20:47] <cyphermox> in other words, either put your file in /cdrom/casper, or edit /etc/casper.conf to set LIVE_MEDIA_PATH to something else and then put the file in that directly (and in both cases, just preseed the file name with no path, unless you need more path items than /cdrom/casper/
[20:50] <thatva> perfect, thank you!


[02:44] <maslen> minor bug:  gnome-disk-utility requires gnome-settings-daemon-dev to be installed, but apt-get build-dep does not install it.
[02:45] <maslen> minor bug: _building_ gnome-disk-utility requires gnome-settings-daemon-dev  and liblzma-dev to be installed, but apt-get build-dep does not install them.
[02:49] <sporkeee> !bug
[02:49] <sporkeee> squash it. ;)
[03:02] <maslen> sporkeee: I don't mind reporting it, but I'm very, very new to large-scale app development. Git/svn is as far as I currently go - even my makefiles are weak .
[03:04] <sporkeee> maslen, There I'm clueless, amongst other areas, I just basically use the releases and help in the IRC if I can.
[03:36] <bjsnider> maslen, probably the control file has the -dev package as a dependency instead of just a build-dependency, or in addition to
[03:36] <bjsnider> not quite sure how that happened, if it was just copied from debian
[03:37] <bjsnider> obviously the development headers are not necessary for anything to run, including palimpsest
[03:38] <maslen> bjsnider: Huh?
[03:39] <bjsnider> ubuntu doesn't change the packaging scripts unless absolutely necessary, so if it's wrong here it's wrong in debian too
[03:40] <maslen> Ah, someone responded - it's not based on the git version, it's based on whichever release ubuntu lets you download.
[03:40] <maslen> As such, my "bug" is invalid. Oh well.
[03:40] <maslen> Good thing I didn't file the other two.
[03:41] <bjsnider> oh, i misread
[03:42] <bjsnider> you originally meant building the thing requires it
[03:42] <bjsnider> i don't understand why you're trying to build your own palimpsest
[03:42] <bjsnider> some new feature you have to have?
[03:42] <maslen> nah, just playing with clang
[03:44] <bjsnider> i c
[03:44] <bjsnider> so what is the error that happens when you try to install those packages?
[03:45] <maslen> nothing; just that they're not installed with build-dep
[03:45] <maslen> Sorry, but I need to head to sleep - need to get up in about 5.5 hrs. gnite -
[03:45] <bjsnider> oh, then it requires them _now_, but the current package doesn't
[03:46] <bjsnider> they've been added upstream as dependencies
[08:12] <FernandoMiguel> morning
[09:24] <minimec> Hi. Some updates from yesterday broke my graphical environment completely (13.10 + Mir PPA). Can you confirm this, and would a 'ppa purge' solve the situation?
[09:34] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1199696
[11:18] <finicky> good morning vietnaam
[11:20]  * finicky is watching revenge of the nerds
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:26] <basso> if i download the latest daily build is mir enabled by default?
[15:28] <minimec> basso: I don0t think so. Right now, you still need a ppa. See here http://www.olli-ries.com/running-mir/
[15:30] <basso> minimec: thanks mate
[16:20] <johnjohn101> installed latest updates on vmware machine and cannot reboot. do i need to reload?
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> freenode services down?
[19:21] <genii> Yup.
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> damn
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> I can't join  a bunch of #s :\
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, Channels you normally can?
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> they require -are
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, I was just wondering if the channels need registry with freenode and if you are.
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> wilee-nilee: I can't auth due to services being down.. not the 1st time. and pretty offtopic for this #.  I just asked to see if it wasn't something on my side
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> FernandoMiguel, Cool, everything is normal here, but I have been on for awhile.
[19:34]  * wilee-nilee loves passive aggressive communications, lol
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> MIR installed
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> I wonder what to expect
[21:50] <k1l_> a dublicated cursor ;p
[23:29] <FernandoMiguel> nity nite folks


[00:25] <soliloquy1> I'd like to have both Unity and XFCE sessions available to me; can I do this without breaking Xubuntu?
[00:30] <Adm_Hartwell> I"m not an expert at all, but I think if you install ubuntu-desktop on top of xubuntu, you will have the option of choosing whichever desktop you want for that session at login. I'd like confirmation from one of the more experienced xubuntu users here though.
[00:33] <SeH> Hello; how to add layout in xubuntu!!
[00:33] <knome> can you elaborate what you mean with "layout" ?
[00:40] <SeH> knome: layout of language
[00:43] <David-A> SeH: keyboard layout (keyboard) or language settings (menus and messages)?
[00:43] <SeH> David-A: Keyboard!
[00:45] <David-A> settings>keyboard>layout>add
[00:48] <SeH> David-A: well how I can active alt + shift for change layout
[00:52] <David-A> SeH: there is a "Keyboard Layout" panel applet with where one can chose what key to switch layout. (have not tried it myself)
[00:53] <blackgatonegro> yup. every xubuntu has one
[00:54] <blackgatonegro> settings / settings  manager / keyboard
[00:55] <SeH> yes it worked thanks :)
[03:38] <decci> Hi Guys
[03:39] <decci> Anyone out there awaken
[03:39] <decci> :)
[03:39] <Murtaugh> Yes?
[03:40] <decci> Murtaugh: Hi
[03:40] <Murtaugh> have a question?
[03:40] <decci> Murtaugh: Yes
[03:40] <decci> Murtaugh: I have been following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupPC/smb
[03:41] <decci> Murtaugh: I have configured Backuppc and its working great for Windows and Linux smb shares
[03:41] <decci> Murtaugh: Now the link says It is advisiable to keep your clients (Hosts) on the same Domain. In this example it is "WORKGROUP"
[03:42] <decci> Murtaugh: I have few machine in different domain.so when I run smbtree -b -N it doesnt show Windows machine. What need to be done under that case?
[03:42] <Murtaugh> uh, that's a bit beyond me, but it sounds like #networking may be able to help
[04:34] <hanslanda> hello there! i have a problem..yesterday i made some updates and now my graphics card is not working (nvida geforce gt 430). Anyone can help me please??
[04:38] <hanslanda> hello there! i have a problem..yesterday i made some updates and now my graphics card is not working (nvida geforce gt 430). Anyone can help me please??
[04:41] <hanslanda> hello there! i have a problem..yesterday i made some updates and now my graphics card is not being recognize (nvida geforce gt 430). Anyone can help me please??
[04:53] <hanslanda> can anyone help me? im very new to linux... You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.   Help me. When I type my password and click login. It takes A TERRIBLELY Long time to load until it shows me the desktop icons, background and the panels.
[06:43] <Ormie> Is this normal?
[06:43] <Ormie> I am running this on a core i5 processor
[06:44] <Artemis3> this sounds familiar
[06:45] <Ormie> ??????
[06:46] <Ormie> What?
[06:46] <Ormie> Just tell me it is normal or not
[06:46] <Artemis3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/996791
[06:47] <Ormie> so it's a bug or it's a personal issue?
[06:48] <Artemis3> i have not experienced this on the 3 machines i use, but it appears to be a real bug
[06:49] <Ormie> k
[06:53] <Ormie> ok, fix this on 12.10
[08:24] <TheSheep> any recommendations for mtp device support?
[08:26] <knyn_> Can someone tell me why Xubuntu restarts whenever I tell it to shutdown?
[08:27] <Murtaugh> Are you using the -r flag :s
[08:28] <knyn_> Murtaugh: No I mean in XFCE, whenever I click on shutdown it restarts.
[08:28] <knyn_> I don't know...
[08:29] <Murtaugh> Oh, I normally do shutdowns/restarts from a terminal
[08:29] <knyn_> Maybe I should do that.
[08:29] <knyn_> What is the command to shutdown?
[08:29] <Murtaugh> try bringing up a terminal and using "sudo shutdown now" and seeing if it restarts itself
[08:30] <knyn_> Okay.
[08:30] <livingdaylight> shouldn't need to shutdown from a command unless you wish to. That is not normal.
[08:30] <Murtaugh> I just do for the heck of it
[08:30] <Murtaugh> since I don't very often
[08:30] <livingdaylight> Mine restarts/shutsdown fine according to which button I hit
[08:35] <knyn_> Murtaugh: It freezes.
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> !find libmtp
[10:56] <wavm> guys what dock can u recommend? thnx
[11:21] <recon_lap> hi, setup openSSH on a local pc with a standard xubuntu 12.04 install. going to use it as a local server. it has the UI installed. now I'v been using "sudo halt" to shut it down when not in use, but it does not fully shutdown, the shutdown screen freezes and the PC stays on using power. it's not contactable but not off either. is this a bug, a pc issue or is there a better way to shut it down?
[11:23] <knome> recon_lap, have you tried 'shutdown -h now' ?
[11:23] <recon_lap> knome, no, but i will, thx :)
[11:25] <Ormie> 'lo
[11:25] <knome> hullo
[11:28] <Ormie> o/
[11:29] <recon_lap> 'shutdown -h now' work great, had to sudo it though
[11:29] <knome> recon_lap, sure :)
[11:30] <Sysi> poweroff is alias for that
[11:30] <Sysi> needs sudo too
[11:35] <recon_lap> thx, can't be wasting energy :)
[12:53] <Ormie> !xubuntu
[12:55] <Ormie> !gubuntu
[12:56] <aquix> !gobuntu
[12:56] <GridCube> g?
[12:56] <GridCube> O_o
[12:56] <aquix> hmm. ubottu also say crunchbang is based on ubuntu, so I think it's outdated
[12:57] <Ormie> hey, i liked xubuntu :)
[12:57] <GridCube> :D awesome
[12:57] <aquix> same here :)
[12:59] <GridCube> if you want to chat but you dont have any real problem please go to #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:01] <Ormie> a bug :)
[13:03] <Ormie> is it really important having your own chat channel instead of defocus?
[13:04] <GridCube> i dont understand
[13:04] <Ormie> oO
[13:04] <Ormie> you should... :q
[13:04] <aquix> lol
[13:05] <aquix> /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:05] <aquix> type that here
[13:06] <Ormie> k
[13:39] <phunyguy> hey folks, how do you get a global proxy set up in Xubuntu?
[13:39] <phunyguy> I can't find the option.
[13:41] <GridCube> phunyguy, temporarly or permanent?
[13:41] <phunyguy> perm.
[13:42] <phunyguy> socks4 included
[13:46] <GridCube> phunyguy, this should still be current: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about17852.html
[13:50] <phunyguy> GridCube: will that export line follow along with apt-get as well as the Xubuntu installer?
[13:57] <phunyguy> GridCube: will that export line follow along with apt-get as well as the Xubuntu installer?
[14:01] <GridCube> phunyguy, read the last post on that thread
[14:01] <GridCube> it says how to edit your apt configuration files
[14:02] <phunyguy>  /etc/apt/apt.conf doesnt exist.... lol
[14:03] <phunyguy> sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is a gui in reg ubuntu
[14:05] <phunyguy> ahh and i would sudo apt-get install mc if I COULD APT-GET ;)
[14:37] <phunyguy> ok so I fixed that.  Good to go.  Is there a pretty easy way to unclone both monitors without using xrandr and a script? or is that my option.  If so, can it be done for the login screen as well?
[14:44] <Ormie> hm... this is weird. My old installation of xubuntu, I have the bug of the system sleeps for 85 seconds after successfully entering my password on login. This time. I re-installed it. It doesn't happen :) Nice. The old installation i installed cheese and it gives me all the gnome junks.
[14:49] <blackgatonegro> anyone knows how to play pingus secret levels?
[15:03] <GridCube> never played that much :P
[16:13] <smed66> anyone on?
[16:14] <smed66> hello
[16:22] <smed66> what am i doin
[16:23] <GridCube> !hi | smed66
[16:54] <marcpv> hi! Anyone know why rhythmbox ask me for the password to unlock keyring when I just start it?
[16:56] <marcpv> anyone there?
[16:57] <Unit193> I am, but I last used that program in 6.10.
[16:58] <marcpv> haha... ok... any recomendation, then?
[16:58] <knome> can't imagine what for rhythmbox would ask for your password though
[16:58] <knome> maybe you'd have better results on #ubuntu
[16:59] <marcpv> knome: thanks, let me try there...
[16:59] <knome> (especially if you are certain it is rhythmbox needin the password)
[17:00] <Unit193> Can't you buy stuff online from that?
[17:00] <marcpv> gmusicbrowser is ok but i need podcast too and ipod suport, so I installed rhythmbox
[17:00] <marcpv> yes there is ubuntu one
[17:00] <marcpv> I think I'm sure its rhythmbox asking
[17:00] <knome> maybe it's asking the keyring pass for your U1 pass
[17:01] <marcpv> maybe yes... I dont know
[17:02] <marcpv> let me try on #ubuntu... I'll let you know
[17:11] <marcpv> by the way, any suggestion for audio player with podcast and ipod support?
[17:14] <Unit193> Audio player?  VLC supports podcasts. :P
[17:16] <martinphone> I theoretically have 4GB RAM, but htop, bios and sysinfo all say it is 3952, why?
[17:16] <marcpv> VLC support podcast?
[17:16] <Sysi> marcpv: 32bit xubuntu?
[17:16] <martinphone> and swap is 2043, shouldnt swap be 4048 too?
[17:16] <marcpv> 64bit
[17:16] <martinphone> 4098*
[17:17] <Sysi> swap partition's size doesn't change when adding RAM, you need to manually change partitioning if you need it
[17:17] <GridCube> martinphone, not if you didnt gave that much to swap during the install
[17:17] <martinphone> aaa...
[17:17] <Barnabas> martinphone, in windows swap is a file in a file system
[17:17] <martinphone> ill leave soon, low batteri
[17:18] <Barnabas> on linux it is, usually, a dedicated partition without a file system
[17:18] <martinphone> can I do that from BIOS?
[17:18] <Barnabas> martinphone, no
[17:18] <martinphone> but, why my 4GB RAM are 3952 and not 4098?
[17:19] <martinphone> 1024*4
[17:19] <martinphone> 4096*
[17:19] <marcpv> have to go, bye!
[17:19] <Barnabas> some of it used by system hw probably
[17:20] <martinphone> hw = ?
[17:20] <Barnabas> a GPU for instance, to tell for sure you need to post your hw spec on pastebin
[17:20] <Barnabas> and link here
[17:20] <martinphone> when I come back Barnabas
[17:20] <Barnabas> sure
[17:21] <phunyguy> wait, so Xubuntu 12.10 doesnt have a livecd yet?
[17:21] <martinphone> terminal hw? just that?
[17:21] <martinphone> brb
[17:22] <knome> phunyguy, it does.
[17:22] <knome> phunyguy, unfortunately, we're still oversized, so you should use some other media
[17:22] <phunyguy> I can only seem to find an alternate install image
[17:23] <knome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.10/alpha-3/ for the alpha3
[17:23] <phunyguy> s'ok.  have 12.04 installed, I will just do-release-upgrade
[17:23] <knome> phunyguy, if you're looking at dailies, the desktop image is probably still building
[17:24] <phunyguy> thanks knome
[17:24] <phunyguy> cool nickname btw
[17:24] <phunyguy> its like gnome for kde!
[17:24] <knome> phunyguy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20120815/ for the daily-live
[17:24] <phunyguy> are you currently running the alpha build?
[17:24] <knome> i'm not
[17:24] <phunyguy> k.
[18:39] <martinphone> im back
[18:39] <martinphone> what was that hw command I had to paste Barnabas ?
[18:47] <martinphone> what commands other than  sudo dmidecode --type memory can give me a more complete description of my RAM? id accept gui suggestions too
[18:47] <martinphone> and, if I reinstall xubuntu, will it by default create a 4096 swap partition, now that I have 4GB RAM?
[18:50] <blackgatonegro> matin, will you format the hard disk?
[18:50] <blackgatonegro> *martin
[19:06] <martinphone> when I reinstall? didnt have it planned, no
[19:14] <GridCube> martinphone, you are thinking GB and reading GiB
[19:15] <martinphone> GB = 1024 MB, GiB = 1000 MB?
[19:15] <GridCube> GB is an unit made of powers of 10, and GiB is an unit made of powers of 2
[19:15] <martinphone> so the other way round, GB = 1000 MB, GiB = 1024 MB
[19:16] <GridCube> no
[19:16] <GridCube> oh, yes
[19:16] <martinphone> 10^3 = 1000
[19:16] <GridCube> here, read this: http://www.dr-lex.be/info-stuff/bytecalc.html
[19:16] <martinphone> 2¹0 = 1023
[19:16] <martinphone> hey, I wrote a super index
[19:17] <GridCube> :D yeah xchat does that :)
[19:17] <martinphone> 10³
[19:17] <martinphone> d⁵
[19:17] <GridCube> 2¹⁰
[19:18] <martinphone> cool link
[19:18] <GridCube> martinphone, you don *need* more swap
[19:19] <GridCube> in fact swap and ram can be what ever you want
[19:19] <GridCube> i have about 6gb of swap because a 6gb partition came with this computer for windows 7 backups, and i was to lazy to resize it
[19:30] <martinphone> htop's RAM bar is frozen, it doens change like the core bar does, furthermore: I now use 1500/3952, but the bar occupies more than that percentage, close to 80% of the bar extension, why?
[19:31] <Unit193> free -m|grep cache
[19:33] <TheSheep> martinphone: linux always uses almost all ram -- when it's not used by application, it's used for caching and buffers
[19:50] <martinphone> I have a 365 GB HDD in my laptop and a 1 TB HDD I wish to put in its place, in the laptop. Is there any way I can make an exact copy of all directories present in the 365 GB HDD to the 1 TB HDD, first as an external hard drive just to take it out from the case, and in the laptop?
[19:51] <martinphone> and put it in the laptop*
[19:51] <martinphone> so there is no difference when I reboot with the 1TB HDD in the laptop
[19:56] <shpank> yes
[19:56] <shpank> boot the laptop with a live cd
[19:56] <shpank> unmount your internal drive and your external hdd
[19:57] <shpank> copy everything with dd if=/dev/internal_hdd of=/dev/external_hdd
[19:57] <shpank> then replace the drive in your laptop
[19:57] <shpank> and try booting it
[19:57] <shpank> if it doesn't work, just fire up gparted or fdisk and play around with the partition table
[19:58] <Sysi> dd isn't good for hdd, it copies all bad blocks too, use ddrescue or just copy all files and install grub from livecd
[19:59] <Sysi> you need to fix fstab to match new partition UUIDS
[20:01] <shpank> i didn't assume he has bad blocks on his hdd
[20:01] <shpank> but in this case, ddrescue is better, yes.
[20:02] <shpank> Sysi: if he copies the entire drive (including mbr and partition table), it should work without changing uuids
[20:03] <Sysi> shpank: partition table expands automatically, changing uuids
[20:03] <shpank> oh
[20:03] <shpank> so in this case
[20:03] <shpank> yeah
[20:03] <shpank> but it's not a big problem
[20:04] <Sysi> or actually I'm not sure.. I did this once but it was a while ago
[20:04] <shpank> i hate this uuid thing
[20:04] <shpank> you can't remember them
[20:05] <shpank> or distinguish between different partitions just by looking at the uuids
[20:05] <Sysi> I seldom change partitioning scheme, when I do I probably reinstall
[20:07] <shpank> yeah me too
[20:08] <shpank> i always try new stuff and to avoid compatibility problems, i usually take the lame route and wipe the system :)
[20:08] <shpank> also, it feels so much better working on a fresh install without all the crap that i've introduced before
[20:09] <xuserr> hello
[21:40] <martinphone> hello, I have just installed nvidia drivers from the repo, but it happened what happened last time I used nvidia: splashscreen's logo now occupies the whole screen, and looks blurry, can I fix that= return splash's screen to its original size?
[21:41] <martinphone> also for the splash screen while closing the OS
[22:00] <martinphone> does it have to do with grub?
[22:07] <recon_lap> grub?
[22:57] <malv1> now i can say that i am not aware of any xfce bugs
[22:58] <malv1> first time i can say that about any linux de
[23:19] <David-A> malv1: Dont kid yourself, there is one bug: The Xfce Timer panel applet does not show if timer is on or off unless mouse is on it. (If by design, its a usability bug)
[23:22] <recon_lap> there is the earphone bug as well, probably nothing to do with xface though
[23:24] <recon_lap> David-A: timper panel applet shows all the time for me
[23:26] <recon_lap> David-A: maybe we talking about different applets though
[23:31] <David-A> David-A: its called "Xfce4 Timer", I have xfce 4.6.1 (xfce4-timer-plugin 0.6.1) so maybe has improved
[23:33] <recon_lap> David-A: guess I got the wrong applet, was thinking of the date-time applet


[00:32] <freec_> i'm trying to install skype on this fresh new install of xubuntu 11.04 and its telling me it must remove this: libc-bin, its written ESSENTIAL next to it
[00:32] <freec_> what is this?
[00:32] <freec_> and should i go on with installing skype
[00:32] <babble> freec_: did you manually download the 386 version of skype from skype.com?
[00:33] <freec_> no
[00:33] <freec_> babble: no
[00:33] <babble> what, specifically are you trying to install? Which skype package?
[00:35] <freec_> skype :i...
[00:35] <freec_> in the synaptic
[00:36] <freec_> i havn't done an the updates yet
[00:36] <babble> there isn't an official skype client for Natty in the repo
[00:36] <freec_> i'm wondering if that could have an effect
[00:36] <freec_> is the're not?
[00:36] <babble> see here:
[00:36] <babble> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=skype&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[00:36] <freec_> i have cannonical partners selected
[00:36] <babble> there are add-ons that work WITH skype, but there isn't a repo-managed package for the skype client itself.
[00:37] <babble> it may be that the skype package in the partner repo is newer than you can install on natty.
[00:37] <babble> let me see what I can find.
[00:37] <freec_> yea thats what i'm thinking now...
[00:40] <babble> try this:
[00:40] <babble> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-0natty1_i386.deb
[00:41] <babble> (what's the version number on the package you're trying to install?)
[00:41] <freec_> i can'tl look right know i am installing the updates
[00:42] <babble> in any case, it looks like 2.2.0 is the last update for natty
[00:43] <freec_> yea i will make sure its that one before i install
[00:43] <freec_> thanks
[00:43] <babble> it looks like whatever you're trying to install is conflicting with your installed libc - it should have flagged it as a dependency, but if it can't find the libc it's looking for, it *sounds* like the verison you're trying to install is a later (non-natty) release.
[00:44] <babble> if you're on 64-bit, here's the 64-bit package:
[00:44] <babble> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/skype/skype_<IP_ADDRESS>-0natty1_amd64.deb
[00:46] <freec_> babble: in relation to that how can you find out if a machine running xubuntu is 32bit or 64 bit?
[00:47] <babble> in your terminal, do:
[00:47] <babble> uname -a
[00:47] <freec_> What happend when you try installing a 64bit os on a 32bit os
[00:47] <freec_> ?
[00:48] <freec_> 32bit architecture*
[00:48] <babble> it won't boot from the livecd
[00:48] <babble> (64 bit live image attempting to boot a 32-bit system)
[05:51] <uofm49426> question i use docky and had to do a hard reset because because xbmc crashed on me i and the desktop was not responding so i drope down to termel and kill all xbmc and now when i login docky tell me something about compositing not working
[05:52] <uofm49426> using xubuntu 11.10
[05:54] <holstein> uofm49426: probably had compositing on and it crashed too
[06:01] <uofm49426> on a fresh install docky dont require compiz up to work how can i fix this
[06:24] <Sysi> uofm49426: settings -> window manager tweaks -> compositing, enable
[09:04] <mimoid> what is newin Xubuntu 12.04?
[12:49] <Belserusk> Hello.
[12:49] <Belserusk> How can I Reboot or Shutdown from the Xubuntu 11.10 login screen.
[12:49] <Belserusk> ?
[12:50] <babble> Belserusk: there's a small power icon in the upper right, at the lightdm login screen
[12:51] <babble> (but it sometimes refuses to reboot for me - are you having trouble with that?)
[12:53] <babble> argh. lag. brb.
[12:56] <Belserusk> babble, I see it in Xubuntu 11.10 in VirtualBox but not on my Xubuntu 11.10 laptop installation. Thats odd!
[12:58] <Belserusk> Hi babble. Any ideas?
[12:59] <holstein> you can always just login and do it from there.. mabye theres an issue with the login screen resolution not showing everything
[13:00] <holstein> you can go to tty via control+alt+F1 or F2 or whatever and run sudo shutdown -h now
[13:02] <babble> oi. lag?
[13:02] <babble> okay
[13:02] <babble> ...or to reboot from the console do:
[13:02] <babble> sudo reboot
[13:02] <Belserusk> babble, the login screen on my laptop is black - the login screen on virtualbox is different
[13:03] <Belserusk> babble, on laptop on top right it does show visual icon
[13:03] <babble> Belserusk: I'm not sure what may be happening, but my guess is holstein's: your laptop may be having video issues when running on the actual hardware.
[13:03] <Belserusk> ...so resolutions is prob not the problem
[13:04] <babble> Belserusk: on a VM, you're running on very generic shims that make generic video, network, etc.
[13:04] <Belserusk> babble, I see. Thank you.
[13:04] <Belserusk> holstein, cheers for the tips.
[13:04] <holstein> Belserusk: did you install from a live CD? do you have that available? boot up from it and logout.. see if you see what you expecty
[13:05] <holstein> expect*
[13:05] <Belserusk> holstein, I installed it from a USB pen drive
[13:06] <babble> Belserusk: same process - does the live system do what you expect?
[13:06] <holstein> Belserusk: OK.. if you'd like, as a troubleshooting step, assuming you used a live CD iso to create the USB stick you are informing me about, you can boot that live, logout, and see if you see what you expect to see
[13:06] <Belserusk> holstein, I will give it a go.
[13:07] <Belserusk> back later....
[13:07] <holstein> this will tell (pretty much) is its something you have configured incorrectly, or if its kernel/video/resolution related
[13:09] <babble> argh. how many things am I going to break installing 32-bit pidgin on 64-bit 11.10, with all of its 32-bit dependencies?
[13:09] <holstein> babble: theres no 64bit one?
[13:09] <holstein> i personally hop through zero hoops for pidgin, and/or any other chat client
[13:09] <babble> holstein: I'm using 64-bit, but there's a plugin I want to use that needs a 32-bit library
[13:11] <holstein> i might prefer the windows version in wine ;)
[13:11] <babble> heh.
[13:11] <babble> that's overkill for this.
[13:11] <babble> oh well.
[13:11] <Sysi> install 32bit pidgin, with apt you should get dependencies, or you run it in terminal and install library when it reports something missing
[13:11] <babble> Sysi: yes, I know how to install 32-bit apps. That's not my issue.
[13:12] <Sysi> you know, personal issues are -offtopic :P
[13:12] <babble> Sysi: This isn't a personal issue, unless you're convinced it needs to be, but that's arguably *your* personal issue.
[13:14] <Sysi> for some reason I have difficulties undertsnading you
[13:14] <Sysi> ..something breaks when you install 32bit pidgin? :o
[13:16] <holstein> i think its more like "will installing 32bit pidgin in 64bit xubuntu break things"... i havent really messed with 32bit in 64bit yet, though i need to
[13:16] <babble> which is, yes, what I asked.
[13:17] <holstein> lightscribe is something i have that is 32bit only for now...
[13:17] <babble> In any case, I wasn't asking for help installing, nor was I asking for things I wasn't asking for with regard to *how* to install 32-bit on 64-bit OS installations.
[13:17] <babble> I was relatively clear
[13:18] <Arthur_D> anecdotal, but I've had no problems using 32 bit applications in a 64-bit environment
[13:18] <babble> Arthur_D: I'm using 32-bit Secondlife.
[13:18] <babble> Arthur_D: again, my issue isn't *how* to do this.
[13:18] <babble> but this is getting ridiculous.
[13:18] <Arthur_D> you asked whether it would break things?
[13:19] <babble> and we're going 'round and 'round with things I didn't ask for any information or assistance with.
[13:20] <Arthur_D> sorry, just wondered if I could help somehow
[13:39] <DemonWitch> How can i mount a bin/cue image in ubuntu?
[13:40] <babble> assuming your images are iso9660 filesystems on a .cue image, try:
[13:41] <babble> here's a howto: http://ubuntuhowtos.com/howtos/mount_bin_cue_cdemu
[13:41] <babble> looks like it depends on installing cdemu
[13:42] <babble> but, I haven't had to specify a filesystem (9660) type for ISO images since 11.10
[13:43] <babble> have you tried this:
[13:43] <babble> sudo mount /path/to/image.cue /path/to/mountpoint
[13:43] <DemonWitch> babble: its binary
[13:43] <DemonWitch> image
[13:44] <babble> DemonWitch: yes; my point is, the mount command in 11.10 mounts all manner of binary image types for me, without a lot of extra fiddling.
[13:44] <babble> ISO, SquashFS, dd raw images.
[13:44] <babble> try:
[13:44] <babble> sudo mount /path/to/image.bin /path/to/mountpoint
[13:45] <DemonWitch> babble: ok do i need cdemu?
[13:45] <DemonWitch> or any program
[13:45] <babble> You may or may not. That howto I found is fairly old.
[13:45] <babble> Try just using mount first.
[13:45] <babble> if it fails, we'll find a workaround.
[13:59] <Belserusk> babble, holstein - I don't have the Xubuntu 11.10 image on neither a CD nor USB drive. I will upgrade the distro next week so it is no big deal. Cheers.
[14:00] <babble> Belserusk: in any case, switch to your console and reboot or shutdown from there, in the meantime.
[14:00] <babble> it's a little more work, but it should work.
[14:01] <babble> instead of logging completely out, have you tried using the Logout command from the apps menu?
[14:01] <babble> You should be able to shutdown or reboot from the xfce4-logout dialog
[14:02] <Belserusk> babble, Ok.
[14:03] <Belserusk> babble, I know of them but was just curious about the login screen method.
[14:03] <babble> what do you get if you do:
[14:03] <Belserusk> babble, cheers.
[14:03] <babble> xfce4-session-logout?
[14:03] <babble> ahh, okay
[14:04] <babble> well, it sounds like it's an odd video issue, but without testing from a live image, it's tricky to say
[17:33] <F3lix_> Hello ^^
[19:17] <bewildered> hi
[19:45] <newbie|3> hi
[19:45] <baizon> hi hi
[19:46] <newbie|3> Very dead channel
[19:46] <baizon> indeed :)
[19:46] <martinphone> does any of you use ibus or scim?
[19:46] <baizon> its for problems only :P
[19:46] <baizon> so its good
[19:46] <newbie|3> Yeah that is good... guess a problem has arisen
[19:47] <martinphone> I have ibus installed, but I dont see any language package
[19:48] <martinphone> and I dont know exactly what synaptic packages to get: If I mark every ibus package, that ammounts for 0.5GB
[19:50] <baizon> sorry dont use it, cant help
[19:51] <Artemis3> martinphone, which language you want?
[19:51] <martinphone> chinese and korean
[19:51] <martinphone> Artemis3,
[19:53] <Artemis3> i never used ibus, but anthy uim and the appropiate fonts work, of course you could also install extra language files if you need the interface as well
[19:54] <martinphone> Artemis3, should I use scim?
[19:54] <Artemis3> if you like
[19:54] <Artemis3> i rather use anthy with uim :)
[19:54] <martinphone> uim?
[19:55] <Artemis3> like scim
[19:55] <Artemis3> but another
[19:55] <Artemis3> :)
[19:56] <martinphone> Artemis3, official here? http://uim.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[19:56] <Artemis3> see uim packages
[19:56] <Artemis3> uim is the backend and anthy for frontend
[19:57] <Artemis3> maybe you like anthy with scim instead
[19:59] <martinphone> Artemis3, i like everyone that works, back in ubuntu 11.10 (2 weeks ago) I couldnt switch from japanese to any other input method, and I still dont know if it was because my installation was so buggy, or because bugs from ibus itself
[19:59] <martinphone> everything*
[20:00] <Artemis3> if you install uim and anthy, you add uim-toolbar-gtk-systray to starting apps and thats it. you can add more uim modules for korean and chinese
[20:00] <Artemis3> ubuntu defaults to scim i believe
[20:00] <martinphone> ill take a look at them and go for the most recently updated
[20:01] <Artemis3> scim and uim do the same, and both can use anthy
[20:01] <martinphone> im going for uim 1.8.0, for xubuntu, should I get the tar.gz or tar.bz2?
[20:01] <Artemis3> both scim and uim have extra packages for more languages
[20:01] <martinphone> yes Artemis3 , thats the theory, but, as of now with IBUS; I have to click five time each language for the applet to change the IM
[20:02] <Artemis3> why do you need the latest? is something wrong with package from repository?
[20:02] <martinphone> xubuntu 12.04 beta2 64 bit
[20:02] <Artemis3> this is why you need anthy
[20:02] <martinphone> I assume the latests is the least buggy,
[20:02] <Artemis3> with anthy you can configure another shortcut
[20:02] <martinphone> the less buggy or the least buggy?
[20:03] <Artemis3> try anthy with scim if you want, or try uim you might like it
[20:03] <martinphone> 탈.ㄱz 올 탈.ㅂz2?
[20:03] <martinphone> crap
[20:04] <Artemis3> there is uim-anthy AND scim-anthy, pick one
[20:04] <martinphone> tar.gz or tar.bz2?
[20:04] <Artemis3> you should avoid downloading package from their page, and use distro package instead
[20:05] <martinphone> uim from synaptic is so old...
[20:05] <Artemis3> test: 〒 this is using anthy and uim
[20:05] <Artemis3> uim from 12.04 old???
[20:05] <Artemis3> let me check
[20:06] <martinphone> latest uim from source is 1.8, from synaptic is 1.1.7
[20:07] <Artemis3> no its 1.7 not 1.1.7 don't be confused with debian nomenclature
[20:07] <Artemis3> 1:1.7.1-3ubuntu1 = 1.7
[20:07] <martinphone> aaa....
[20:07] <Artemis3> it is very current
[20:07] <Artemis3> what you need is to add anthy
[20:08] <Artemis3> and use anthy gui instead
[20:08] <Artemis3> you can then define shortcuts
[20:08] <martinphone> anthy is added
[20:09] <Artemis3> check uim-anthy package
[20:09] <Artemis3> also anthy package
[20:09] <martinphone> done
[20:10] <Artemis3> install, then try from terminal uim-toolbar-gtk-systray for a test
[20:10] <martinphone> do I get rid of IBUS first?
[20:10] <Artemis3> you will see an icon you can click to change things
[20:11] <Artemis3> well i have no experience with ibus, but i think it is better to have only 1 not 3 input backends :)
[20:11] <Artemis3> but try first
[20:12] <martinphone> ok, i see it it works
[20:12] <Artemis3> by default i have it shift space to switch
[20:12] <Artemis3> instead of ctrl space, but you can change that
[20:12] <martinphone> yes, like in ibus
[20:12] <martinphone> o right
[20:13] <martinphone> wait, is this only for japanese?
[20:14] <Artemis3> no, you can add more languages
[20:15] <Artemis3> if you installed uim, you can add package called, uim-hangul
[20:15] <Artemis3> see packages uim-
[20:19] <Belserusk> Hi babble, holstein.
[20:20] <martinphone> 我不知道
[20:20] <martinphone> this was with ibus, now it seems to work
[20:20] <martinphone> I thin UIM is not difficult but time consuming to change
[20:20] <martinphone> think
[20:27] <martinphone> thanks for the tips Artemis3 but now IBUS seems to work, and I need a quick way to switch from english to chinese and korean (thats the minimum) and sometimes some japanese. German and french dont count, due to alphabetic system
[20:28] <Artemis3> hmm
[20:28] <Artemis3> there is ibus-anthy, maybe you can uninstall uim and just use that
[20:29] <Artemis3> martinphone
[20:29] <Artemis3> switchiing with anthy is very easy, you can have many languages
[20:30] <martinphone> ok, ill unistall uim and make a sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:59] <Guest75606> Xubuntu 12.04 BUG:  A window titled "Launch Error" pops up which says: Did not receive a replt. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[21:06] <CellTech> Ok.  How can I get ti:me and Da/te :)
[21:07] <knome> right-click clock -> preferences ?
[21:07] <pleia2> CellTech: using Orage clock?
[21:07] <CellTech> The stock clock in xubuntu 10.04
[21:08] <pleia2> change "Line 1" to use the right variables
[21:08] <pleia2> can look them up via: man strftime
[21:08] <CellTech> It's the one that uses the %M stuff
[21:09] <pleia2> yeah
[21:09] <CellTech> It's annoying as hell. I don't care about seconds. I want the date calender thing
[21:09] <pleia2> so probably something like %R %d/%b
[21:10] <CellTech> I'll try that
[21:11] <CellTech> Worked. Only problem is. Now it's in metric time
[21:11] <pleia2> use %I rather than %R
[21:12] <CellTech> I just used a lower case r and it worked
[21:12] <pleia2> ah, there you go :)
[21:12] <CellTech> it's fixed. Thank you fella
[21:12] <pleia2> not a fella, but you're welcome :)
[21:12] <CellTech> damn irc names. can't tell whos a what and whats a who :)
[21:32] <xubuntu182> hello chan
[21:33] <xubuntu182> is international or italian chan
[21:33] <xubuntu182> ???
[21:34] <Unit193> !it
[21:34] <xubuntu182> tks uni193 ave a greats night
[23:59] <tbrown2012> When does Xubuntu 12.10 or something come out!


[02:02] <tidux> any chance of a port to the Nook Color, or is it too underpowered?
[02:48] <tidux> screw it, I'll try it myself
[03:12] <ethana3> Is it possible to take the files from Ubuntu Desktop for the Nexus 7 and put them on top of the kernel for Ubuntu Touch Preview for the Nexus 10?
[03:13] <ethana3> I've been running gimp in Ubuntu in a VM on rooted Android for a while, and part of why I wanted Ubuntu to run natively on it was for better performance
[03:14] <ali1234> ethana3: no absolutely not
[03:15] <ali1234> touch preview does not support X11
[03:19] <ethana3> ali1234: ok, thank you
[03:19] <ethana3> ali1234: are there regular updates being made available for Ubuntu Touch preview yet, or is it going to be just this initial drop and then nightlies and maybe something else in several months and so on?
[03:20] <ali1234> ethana3: there is an image for nexus 7 that is just straight ubuntu desktop
[03:20] <ali1234> you can run gimp on that
[03:20] <ali1234> no need for touch preview
[03:20] <ali1234> as for updates, we don't know yet
[03:20] <ethana3> ali1234: Right; I currently only have the Nexus 10; I was going to get a Nexus 4 after I built a new desktop pc
[03:20] <ethana3> ali1234: ok
[03:20] <ali1234> oh i see yes
[03:20] <ali1234> no that won't work, sorry
[03:21] <ethana3> fair enough, we'll get there-- awesome work so far everyone
[03:21] <ali1234> touch preview uses android kernel
[03:21] <ethana3> ...desktop.. doesn't?
[03:21] <ali1234> desktop uses vanilla linux
[03:21] <ethana3> whoa..  I'm impressed :D
[03:21] <ali1234> see, touch preview is this crazy hack... ubuntu runs in a chroot inside minimal android
[03:22] <ali1234> touch preview UI is Qt5 with surface flinger backend
[03:22] <ali1234> no X11 at all
[03:22] <ali1234> the older n7 desktop build is just a standard arm port with normal linux stuff like X11
[03:23] <ali1234> the binaries would run on N10 if you had a kernel for it
[03:23] <ali1234> i heard it has same chipset as arm chromebooks so maybe it is doable
[03:23] <ali1234> but not with touch preview stuff
[03:23] <ethana3> I heard the ChromeBook Pixel comes with CoreBoot
[03:24] <ethana3> I must admit, the whole partition scheme and different levels of memory security and things baffle me with mobile devices
[03:25] <ethana3> I understand desktops and laptops, you've got your master boot record or superior alternative, you've got your file systems, your OSes, your bios/uefi, etc..
[03:25] <ethana3> on tablets and phones.. I don't really know.. where things are... or what's going on
[03:25] <ali1234> yeah
[03:25] <ali1234> and the thing is every phone is different too
[03:26] <ali1234> there is no bios on ARM
[03:26] <ali1234> everyone just does whatever
[03:26] <ethana3> Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:26] <ali1234> and since it's all in one chip... no need for autocinfiguration of memory addresses
[03:26] <ali1234> so the drivers just have to know that $this device is at $that memory address
[03:27] <ali1234> so what they've done is just paste ubuntu on top of android drivers
[03:27] <ali1234> this is quite an impressive feat actually, because of the different libc
[03:27] <ali1234> it's much more interesting for developers than the shiny UI demo they've done, imo
[03:28] <ethana3> I'm finding that there's a lot of Android apps I kind of miss, so I'd like to install it again.. but before I do that, is there any way you'd recommend to dual-boot?
[03:28] <ali1234> i would not recommend it
[03:28] <ali1234> only method i know is for N7
[03:29] <ali1234> and it looks dodgy
[03:29] <ali1234> the preview isn't meant to be actually used :)
[03:29] <ali1234> except as a development platform
[03:29] <ethana3> is that dodginess an inherent limitation or just the current state of affairs?
[03:29] <ali1234> a little of both i guess
[03:30] <ali1234> it's not like you can just partition the device in half
[03:30] <ethana3> ......oh.
[03:30] <ali1234> it's already got a million and one partitions
[03:30] <ethana3> oh?
[03:30] <ali1234> and things expect them to be in the right place
[03:30] <ali1234> and every phone has a different partitioning system
[03:30] <ali1234> my SGS actually uses llvm
[03:30] <ali1234> crazy
[03:30] <ethana3> I've never actually seen what the partition tables look like, since I can't exactly run gparted on it
[03:31] <ali1234> you can adb into device
[03:31] <ali1234> and poke around
[03:31] <ali1234> if rooted
[03:31] <ethana3> that's how I backed mine up
[03:31] <ali1234> in touch preview or android or even recovery
[03:31] <ethana3> is it just.. different paths mapped to different partitions?
[03:31] <ali1234> it's a whole world of crazy like nothing you've seen before
[03:31] <ethana3> o.O
[03:32] <ethana3> *whimper* I've gotten that feeling before, but I just figured it was only because I'm not that experienced with it
[03:34] <ethana3> I think having persistent images that I could store on my laptop or what have you would be almost as good as dual-booting
[03:34] <ali1234> well they do persist, if you don't delete them
[03:35] <ali1234> phablet-flash downloads everything to ~/Downloads
[03:35] <ethana3> I mean like, dropping the whole Android device onto my laptop
[03:35] <ethana3> and then dropping the Ubuntu device back onto the tablet
[03:35] <ethana3> and going back and forth that way
[03:35] <ethana3> all 16GB, each time
[03:35] <ali1234> oh like nandroid images?
[03:35] <ethana3> perhaps; I can't say I really understand that either
[03:35] <ali1234> me either
[12:52] <rob_w> where do i find informations about those codenames and which unit they are :  maguro,manta,mako,grouper
[13:56] <AlanBell> good afternoon/morning/evening all
[13:56] <AlanBell> I hope you are having a phabulous time with your phablets
[13:56] <AlanBell> As phone and tablets are now all part of the Ubuntu Touch platform we are merging the #ubuntu-phone and #ubuntu-tablet channels into a converged #ubuntu-touch channel
[13:57] <AlanBell> please hold tight and enjoy the ride, you might automatically end up in #ubuntu-touch, if you don't automatically end up there, please join the #ubuntu-touch channel


[00:30] <johnc> Yes, of course.  Thank you for the quick response.  I'm ready to go now.  Install successful.
[03:04] <LoUDcLoUD> why i havent recieved any ubuntu updates for a while now?
[03:04] <LoUDcLoUD> are they waiting for jelly?
 My wifi is not openning how can i fix it
 Is it a bug?
[08:16] <m4d> Good morning everybody, I'm new to KDE. I recently installed it replacing GNOME on my Ubuntu installation. I was just wondering if installing KDE on Ubuntu and installing directly Kubuntu is the same thing or does it carry some differences...
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[10:00] <mparillo> m4d: Not exactly the same, but an experience Linux user can usually navigate the differences. So, you might have old bits hanging around, say the Gnome Keyring, that you would never have had if you simply installed Kubuntu.
[10:00] <mparillo> For a newbie, I always recommend backing up your "real" data, and a few if your dot files (say if you do not want to generate new ssh keys), and do a clean install of Kubuntu.
[10:03] <mparillo> But for me, I just go to github, gitlab, invent.kde.org and revoke my old keys and create new ones.
[10:03] <mparillo> Of course, I git push everything before I re-install.
[10:14] <Duality> Hey all I am wondering right if there is a utility that does autocomplete in the shell differently
[10:14] <Duality> normaly if you want to cd to a folder forexample you have to just type say the first three and hit tab
 zsh (re @IrcsomeBot: <Duality> normaly if you want to cd to a folder forexample you have to just type say the first three and hit tab)
[10:14] <Duality> but some person here in my company decided it would be a good good idea to prefix all maps with a numerical number
[10:15] <Duality> 1. folder
[10:15] <Duality> 2. folder
[10:15] <Duality> etc
 themes in zsh
[10:15] <Duality> it's anoying me beyond believe xD
 then add color
 try fish if you want
[10:16] <Duality> i do not want to switch away from Bash really
[10:16] <Duality> or atleast want to avoid that
 you can switch anytime.
[10:20] <Duality> all i want in this case is to not deal with those stupid stupid prefixes
[10:20] <Duality> lol
[10:20] <Duality> probably no low level effort to fix this for me then :)
[10:31] <Duality> blesh is exactly what i needed
[10:31] <Duality> https://github.com/akinomyoga/ble.sh
[10:32] <Duality> it makes suggestions while typing it in and i can just tab complete if it is what i want!
[10:32] <Duality> thought i'd share :)
[13:36] <m4d> Well, I thought in fact that could be better to do a fresh install, but I also imagine i will lose my data if I'll do it...unless Kubuntu behaves like being always Ubuntu so I can preserve data and programs as I run an update...
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:59] <m4d> Hi there!
[14:02] <mparillo> With a space in the name? Ugh. Especially before position 3 (as you note). Also, I find that sometimes the autocomplete that attaches a trailing / is unwanted.
 LPP6
 LPPX6
 2RKA
 How to downgrade my kubuntu 20.04.4 to kubuntu 20.04.3
[17:27] <Maik> @Oov you don't
[17:28] <Maik> 20.04.4 is not a entire new release, it's a point release
[17:28] <Maik> so if you are on 20.04.3 you get updated to 20.04.4 anyhow
 Ok how can i reset my kubuntu settings to default?
[18:17] <m> hi
[18:17] <alkisg> Hello
[18:17] <m> hi
[18:17] <Maik> hi m
[18:17] <m> hi maik
[18:18] <Maik> if you have a Kubuntu support question just ask and wait for someone to respond. Casual talk is in #kubuntu-offtopic or/and #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[18:20] <m> thx maik
 Attempting an upgrade from 20.10 (goovy)
 https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is linking to a version-specific update manager for groovy, but it's a 404.
 Dist: groovy
 Name: Groovy Gorilla
 Version: 20.10
 Date: Thu, 22 October 2020 20:22:00 UTC
 Supported: 0
 Description: This is the 20.10 release
[23:49] <genii-core> !paste


[02:06] <MTecknology> Please enable the 'multiverse' component in /etc/apt/source.list'
[02:06] <MTecknology> s/source/sources/ **
[02:07] <MTecknology> be nice if it said which line it wanted changed too
[02:11] <MTecknology> Need to get 438MB of archives. After unpacking 1,210MB will be used.
[02:11] <MTecknology> wow
[02:12] <wgrant> Add "-o Apt::Install-Recommends=no" to the apt-get command line.;
[02:18] <MTecknology> wgrant: little bit of a difference :P
[03:43] <MTecknology> Any ideas what went wrong here?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/380738/
[03:44] <wgrant> MTecknology: You didn't follow the instructions.
[03:44] <wgrant> You have not run launchpad-database-setup
[03:46] <MTecknology> ./utilities/launchpad-database-setup
[03:46] <MTecknology> I rtan that
[03:46] <MTecknology> I ran it wrong.....
[03:46] <MTecknology> wgrant: thanks
[03:57] <MTecknology> wgrant: so now that it's running I go to http://launchpad.dev and I see "It works!"
[03:58] <wgrant> MTecknology: You probably haven't restarted Apache sufficiently.
[04:00] <MTecknology> wgrant: I ran /etc/init.d/apache2 stop before runni make run; I only installed openssh-server and vim before running that script
[04:01] <wgrant> MTecknology: ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[04:38] <wgrant> Do Zopeless emails not get send at all in the dev config?
[04:39] <MTecknology> wgrant: I said that in this channel too - just use your imagination :P
[04:40] <MTecknology> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/380760/
[04:40] <wgrant> MTecknology: That worked fine.
[04:40] <wgrant> The appserver is running.
[04:41] <MTecknology> wgrant: I just meant line 24,25
[04:41] <MTecknology> wgrant: but I can'
[04:41] <MTecknology> t get to it..
[04:42] <wgrant> MTecknology: What does launchpad.dev say now?
[04:42] <MTecknology> Unable to connect
[04:42] <MTecknology> I put an entry in my hosts file '<IP_ADDRESS>   launchpad.dev'
[04:42] <wgrant> Don't you mean <IP_ADDRESS> launchpad.dev?
[04:43] <wgrant> Er, <IP_ADDRESS> launchpad.dev
[04:43] <wgrant> rocketfuel-setup also does all that for you.
[04:44] <MTecknology> I'm running that in a remote vm
[04:44] <wgrant> Ah. Then you'll need to alter the Apache configuration to listen on a non-loopback interface.
[04:44] <MTecknology> oh
[04:48] <MTecknology> wgrant: wow.. that's a massive apache config
[04:48] <wgrant> It's not that big..
[04:49] <MTecknology> the ones I use for websites are generally 50 or less
[04:49] <wgrant> Yes, but Launchpad isn't a website.
[04:49] <wgrant> It's a horribly oversized behemoth of a web application.
[04:49] <MTecknology> :P
[04:51] <MTecknology> wgrant: kinda too bad you can't have a core then a different web app for each of the services available
[04:52] <MTecknology> like bugs, answers, etc.
[04:52] <wgrant> Indeed.
[04:54] <MTecknology> 20 different bzr branches put together in a careful manner so they're all inner-twined; looks messy :P
[04:55] <wgrant> Huh?
[04:56] <MTecknology> find . -name .bzr | wc -l
[04:56] <MTecknology> 20 branches
[04:56] <wgrant> One main branch, and 19 external dependencies.
[04:57] <wgrant> Because somebody hates using packages.
[04:57] <MTecknology> oh
[04:57] <wgrant> See sourcecode/
[04:57] <wgrant> Those are all external deps, not part of LP.
[04:57] <wgrant> Except launchpad-loggerhead, but that one's just strange.
[04:59] <MTecknology> 1.1GB of launchpad source and deps :P
[05:05] <MTecknology> wgrant: I think you guys should release a version that handles users, teams, and branches :P
[05:05]  * wgrant is not really a Launchpad guy.
[05:06] <MTecknology> I think the launchpad guys should do that :P
[05:07] <MTecknology> That's the part I really want to dig around in
[05:29] <MTecknology> wgrant: thanks for the help
[10:15] <mwhudson> launchpad-loggerhead should just be part of the lp tree
[10:18] <wgrant> mwhudson: I thought I heard talk about it maybe being moved soon after the open sourcing.
[10:19] <mwhudson> possibly from me!
[10:19] <mwhudson> mostly a matter of tuits plus a little making sure things don't fall over on rollout
[10:19] <wgrant> Yeah.
[11:54] <thekorn> ahrscheinlich zu kalt ;)
[11:54] <thekorn> upps, soory
[15:23] <Pilky> beuno: ping
[18:57] <mwhudson> morning
[19:02] <mwhudson> erg
[19:58] <thumper> morning
[20:33] <Pilky> anyone around who does (or is interested) UI/UX/Usability stuff on launchpad, wanted to discuss some ideas I'd had
[20:44] <thumper> Pilky: what sort of ideas have you had?
[20:45] <Pilky> well a while ago I posted some minor UI change mockups to the list, but I've been working on mocking up some more dramatic changes, aimed at making the UI far more approachable
[20:46] <thumper> Pilky: interestingly we've recently changed some ways we are dealing with ui changes
[20:46] <thumper> Pilky: the way to get the main designers to look at it is to post to the launchpad-dev mailing list with [RFC-UI
[20:46] <thumper> damn
[20:46] <thumper> [RFC-UI] in the subject
[20:46] <Pilky> ok cool
[20:46] <thumper> Pilky: this will get the right people looking and commenting
[20:47] <Pilky> thanks for the advice, I'll send a post now
[20:47] <thumper> ok
[21:18] <wgrant> When was that change announced?
[21:21] <wgrant> Ah, there.
[21:33] <Pilky> thumper: I've posted to the list if you're interested
[21:33] <thumper> Pilky: ok, cool
[21:35] <wgrant> Are there no provisions to put aside some regular amount time in each team for polish?
[21:35] <thumper> wgrant: yes there is, it is called slack :)
[21:35] <wgrant> This sort of thing seems to be common:
[21:36] <wgrant> 1) Release big new unpolished feature of complete UI overhaul.
[21:36] <wgrant> 2) People file bugs about all these trivial but glaring UI issues.
[21:36] <wgrant> 3) These bugs sit around for three years.
[21:37] <wgrant> s/of/or/
[21:38] <Pilky> wgrant: I think the main UI issues with launchpad aren't really trivial
[21:40] <wgrant> Pilky: No, but there are lots that are.
[21:40] <Pilky> the core issue is that it has one of the least appealing and approachable UIs out of all the major code hosting sites
[21:40] <wgrant> Those are the ones that are obviously bad.
[21:40] <Pilky> oh yeah there's lots of things like that
[21:40] <Pilky> but what I've tried in the mockups I posted to the list is to fix the core problem
[21:40] <Pilky> w
[21:41] <Pilky> which in turn fixes some of the trivial problems
[21:41] <wgrant> I mean things like bug #524322.
[21:41] <mup> Bug #524322: Excessive gaps in branch subscriber portlet <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/524322>
[21:41] <wgrant> It should have been starting every Launchpad developer in the face for months.
[21:42] <mwhudson> wgrant: i can honestly say i've never noticed that bug
[21:42] <wgrant> Intriguing.
[21:43] <Pilky> how is the UI actually managed for launchpad, is there someone who does all the UI work, or is it up to the team working on a feature?
[21:43] <Pilky> because there are some really good bits of UI dotted around launchpad, eg the icons next to links
[21:44]  * wgrant likes the mockups.
[21:44] <Pilky> but they can be right next to some bad bits of UI
[21:44] <wgrant> Launchpad no longer has a UI designer.
[21:44] <jml> Pilky, Launchpad is a massive application that has been developed for five years.
[21:44] <wgrant> jml: But the important templates were completely redesigned 6 months ago.
[21:45] <Pilky> jml: yeah I appreciate the size of launchpad
[21:45] <jml> wgrant, which is still only a fraction of the UI. It's much, much more than templates.
[21:45] <wgrant> The really important one (the home page) was, as I recall, designed a couple of days before release by one person.
[21:46] <wgrant> jml: True.
[21:46] <Pilky> jml: but the issue is the current UI makes it seem like a big application, which can seem quite daunting
[21:46] <Pilky> I don't believe powerful has to mean complicated :)
[21:46] <jml> Pilky, the way things work is that the team working on the feature tends to drive most of the stuff, UI mockups get circulated and commented on. We used to have a UI guy dedicated to us, but now we don't, so we work with them.
[21:46] <jml> Pilky, sure, I completely agree.
[21:47] <jml> Pilky, I'm just saying that observing properties of the UI and trying to guess how we do our UI work based on that is going to be fraught with peril :)
[21:47] <Pilky> heh ok
[21:47] <Pilky> but I'd definitely like to help out UI wise
[21:48] <Pilky> hence me doing these mockups
[21:48] <jml> Pilky, which are much appreciated.
[21:49] <jml> (although I haven't looked at these last ones, I'm at a Twisted sprint atm and ignoring large chunks of my mail)
[21:49] <Pilky> heh
[21:50] <jml> Pilky, the fact that the new user experience of Launchpad is so bad has been bugging me for a while now
[21:51] <Pilky> yeah, I think the main reason for that is the hassle of creating a new project
[21:51] <Pilky> I have lots of smaller open source projects that I'd like to put on launchpad, but I just zip the source and upload to my server because it is less hassle
[21:52] <jml> Pilky, that's certainly one aspect, I'm not sure it's the main one
[21:53] <jml> Pilky, sinzui & co. are working on project registration stuff soon
[21:53] <jml> Pilky, see https://dev.launchpad.net/RoadMap
[21:56] <Pilky> hmm
[21:57] <Pilky> well setting up a project was one of the next things I was going to look at mocking up next weekend.
[21:57] <wgrant> Wow, BranchRevision really has a full record of every revision in every branch? That is absolutely insane.
[21:58] <mwhudson> wgrant: ya think?
[21:59] <thumper> wgrant: is someone landing your branches for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/509892
[21:59] <mup> Bug #509892: Store upload log for SourcePackageRecipeBuilds <wellington> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:In Progress by wgrant> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/509892>
[22:01] <Pilky> Anyway I'm heading offline, thanks for the info and feedback! :)
[22:01] <Pilky> night
[22:04] <wgrant> thumper: No. There's a successor that is currently in review, but I need to talk to Julian about it. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/sprb-new-model-columns/+merge/19172 is good to land, if you could do the honours.
[22:04] <thumper> wgrant: I've assigned your work to 10.02
[22:05] <thumper> wgrant: that one is dependant on an earlier one, all good to go?
[22:06] <thumper> wgrant: can I trust you to not push extra unreviewed revisions?
[22:06] <wgrant_> thumper: Hopefully.
[22:06] <thumper> :)
[22:08] <thumper> wgrant: you need a commit message on the merge proposal
[22:09] <wgrant> thumper: Fixed, sorry.
[22:12] <wgrant> (The squeak-vm thing he speaks of is in Launchpad as an Ubuntu package only.)
[22:12] <thumper> wgrant: ec2 landing your work
[22:12] <wgrant> thumper: Thanks.
[22:12]  * mwhudson officially doesn't care about this #launchpad conversation any more
[22:18] <lifeless> sinzui: are you around per-chance? you seem to be the reviewer than made the 'squeak' project inactive; keithy is active there and wants to use lp for some stuff
[22:31] <thumper> what's the easy way to get a launchpadlib object linked to edge?
[22:31] <thumper> isn't there a one liner or something?
[22:32] <wgrant> Launchpad.login_anonymously('some consumer', 'https://api.edge.launchpad.net/')
[22:32] <lifeless> wgrant: lp.load() ?
[22:33] <wgrant> lifeless: That grabs an object from the webservice using an existing launchpadlib connection.
[22:34] <thumper> wgrant: gah, where is the Launchpad class?
[22:34] <wgrant> thumper: launchpadlib.launchpad.Launchpad
[22:35] <wgrant> Also, you can use launchpadlib.launchpad.EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT rather than the magic URL.
[22:36] <thumper> wgrant: I don't have login_anonymously
[22:36]  * thumper wonders why not
[22:36] <wgrant> thumper: You are on Karmic.
[22:36] <thumper> wgrant: yes I am
[22:36] <james_w> 'edge' works instead of EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT on newer releases too
[22:37] <wgrant> thumper: Use Launchpad's launchpadlib, or Launchpad.get_token_and_login('some consumer', EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT)
[22:38] <thumper> wgrant: using login_with
[22:38] <wgrant> Or that.
[22:38] <thumper> WTF?
[22:38] <thumper> 404
[22:38] <thumper> on the token
[22:38] <thumper> grr
[22:39] <thumper> GRRR
[22:39] <lifeless> wgrant: if load requires an existing connection, it wanting an absolute url is at odds with its core
[22:41] <wgrant> lifeless: It needs to be authenticated (if only anonymously), so it needs to be run on an existing object.
[22:42]  * wgrant headdesks.
[22:43] <lifeless> wgrant: ?
[22:43] <wgrant> #lp
[22:48] <thumper> my version of launchpadlib isn't working :(
[22:48] <wgrant> thumper: What's it not doing?
[22:48] <wgrant> Still 404ing?
[22:48] <thumper> yeah
[22:49]  * thumper tries bin/py
[22:49] <wgrant> What was the request URL?
[22:51] <thumper> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/381232/
[22:51] <thumper> wgrant: any ideas?
[22:52] <wgrant> thumper: Does EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT by any change have /beta on end?
[22:52] <wgrant> Mine doesn't, but this new version might be version-aware.
[22:53] <wgrant> Yes, Karmic's needs the /beta.
[22:53] <thumper> yes
[23:01] <mwhudson> jml: didn't you fix the default on ec2 test to be --headless?
[23:04] <jml> mwhudson, no :( I included that fix as part of my subunit-by-default branch, which I haven't landed.
[23:05] <thumper> mwhudson: I don't think the default was headless
[23:05] <mwhudson> thumper: it's not
[23:05] <jml> mwhudson, I'm still shaving that yak.
[23:05] <mwhudson> thumper: but i know i talked to someone about changing it
[23:05] <mwhudson> jml: ah ok
[23:05] <thumper> ok
[23:05]  * thumper runs to collect maia
[23:13]  * wgrant wishes that there were WIP MPs for all branches.
[23:18] <beuno> wgrant, me too
[23:18] <beuno> thumper too
[23:18] <beuno> someday!
[23:19] <wgrant> A good first step would be to allow me to create a WIP MP without spamming everybody.
[23:19] <wgrant> For now it seems to email people just like a normal MP :(
[23:19] <beuno> that should be easy-ish to do, no?
[23:20] <wgrant> Very probably.
[23:21] <beuno> I'm sure thumper can hack that up in 5 minutes when he gets back
[23:21] <beuno> tests included
[23:23] <wgrant> Does Zopeless mail get entirely dropped in the dev config?
[23:23] <wgrant> It doesn't seem to go anywhere that I can find.
[23:24] <beuno> I don't know anything about that area
[23:24] <mwhudson> wgrant: thumper is working on that this cycle
[23:25] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yay.
[23:25] <mwhudson> wgrant, beuno: but you need to stop treating the initial comment as the description
[23:25] <mwhudson> or the mail that gets sent out when you do ask it for review will very likely not be useful
[23:25] <wgrant> Right.
[23:25] <mwhudson> so that's what he's actually working on now
[23:26] <beuno> perfect, solved
[23:26] <beuno> mwhudson, so he's finally moving the description into it's own field?
[23:26] <mwhudson> beuno: yeah
[23:26] <beuno> super great
[23:26] <wgrant> Very good.
[23:27] <beuno> I've experienced using MPs differently this week
[23:27] <beuno> so I've felt some pains I haven't before  :)
[23:29] <mwhudson> :)
[23:30] <mwhudson> you should talk to thumper about them i guess
[23:30]  * mwhudson lunches
[23:30] <wgrant> beuno: BTW, I really hope that U1 Notes fix hasn't been rolled out, because it's still an issue.
[23:31] <beuno> wgrant, the part I did has, that part that blanks your notes hasn't
[23:31] <beuno> I basically removed the auto-save function that was broken in many ways
[23:31] <wgrant> I meant bug 452689.
[23:32] <beuno> ah
[23:32] <beuno> right
[23:32] <beuno> I think I flipped that my mistake
[23:32] <beuno> wgrant, can you check on edge?
[23:32] <wgrant> edge.o.u.c?
[23:32] <beuno> yessir
[23:33] <wgrant> beuno: Still buggy.
[23:33] <beuno> hrm
[23:33] <beuno> wgrant, can you comment on the bug?  the fix should be on edge
[23:33] <wgrant> It probably has been fixed. Just not properly.
[23:33] <beuno> that would be good to know ASAP  :)
[23:34]  * wgrant sighs.
[23:36] <wgrant> The other one is still fixed, though. Good.
[23:36] <beuno> maybe it didnt roll out to edge
[23:36] <beuno> it was a crazy week
[23:38]  * wgrant cannot work out how to save a contact.
[23:38] <beuno> I'm not super sure you can today  :)
[23:38] <wgrant> So it has an edit form with lots of nice inputs, but no save functionality. I see.
[23:39] <beuno> I started a week ago, give me time
[23:57]  * wgrant needs multiple prereq branches :(