[00:00] <dwidmann> It decides to download upgrades and gives 0 progress indication, and it can't be skipped or cancelled.
[00:00] <dwidmann> only reason  I know that's what it's doing is that I checked syslog
[00:00] <Tuv0k> sysadm-myth, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[00:00] <sysadm-myth> thanks TuvOk
[00:00] <Tuv0k> np
[00:01] <Tuv0k> sysadm-myth, I luv myth too;)
[00:01] <shadow420> and the command to update grub's menu.lst is update-grub
[00:02] <sysadm-myth> cool
[00:03] <sysadm-myth> noticed any issues with myth on hardy, that aren't in the bugs list
[00:03] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  So, following the instructions in the wiki has not helped.  Any further thoughts?
[00:04] <AtomicSpark> :D 8 more days
[00:04] <Tuv0k> swuboo, yeah do it right this time;-P
[00:04] <Tuv0k> swuboo, no seriously, whats not working?
[00:04] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Apps without native pulse output do not produce sound.
[00:04] <Tuv0k> turn on the pulse tray applet
[00:05] <sysadm-myth> This is the best bug on the list https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[00:05] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Before I followed the wiki, they'd output fine through ALSA but lock Pulse apps out, now they just don't have sound at all.
[00:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]
[00:05] <shadow420> KDE is really simplified
[00:05] <Tuv0k> swuboo, set gnome audio to esd
[00:05] <Tuv0k> swuboo, run the pulse manager and see if its connected to the server
[00:05] <Alen> hello does is RC1 ready ?
[00:05] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  It's connected.
[00:06] <Tuv0k> swuboo, thats great
[00:06] <AtomicSpark> how's the beta? any major problems?
[00:06] <swuboo> All clients presently connected---i.e. GNOME, are ESD.
[00:06] <sysadm-myth> !bugs
[00:06] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[00:06] <Tuv0k> not use pavu pulse volume meter to make sure all the levels are up
[00:06] <sysadm-myth> i love that
[00:06] <sysadm-myth> :)
[00:06] <shadow420> hey how can I get Konqueror to work with java
[00:07] <Tuv0k> set the gnome system if thats what your in, to use esd, restart gnome
[00:07] <Tuv0k> and that shoudl do it
[00:07] <Tuv0k> shadow420, #kubuntu
[00:07] <Tuv0k> !java | shadow420
[00:07] <ubotu> shadow420: To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[00:07] <Tuv0k> !kubuntu
[00:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[00:08] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Volume levels are up in pavucontrol; Gnome's been set to ESD since forever.
[00:08] <shadow420> well this is also the Hardy install
[00:08] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Again, apps that actually have pulse output plugins work fine, it's legacy ALSA apps that aren't working.
[00:08] <Tuv0k> swuboo, which app particularly is not outputing sound?
[00:09] <unlink_> how can i upgrade to hardy using a special repository?
[00:09] <_derspankster> swuboo: everything going well today?
[00:09] <Tuv0k> my legacy apps output sound
[00:09] <swuboo> derspankster:  Sure.  Except for legacy ALSA apps not playing nice with Pulseaudio.
[00:09] <Tuv0k> unlink_, special?
[00:09] <unlink_> Tuv0k: an apt-proxy
[00:09] <_derspankster> swuboo: still?
[00:09] <Tuv0k> _derspankster, he is almost there
[00:09] <shadow420> Tuv0k I am using Hardy with KDE
[00:10] <Tuv0k> shadow420, you may need to make a symlink
[00:10] <Tuv0k> thats why I don't use Konq
[00:10] <Tuv0k> you should know how to do that by now being a Konq user
[00:10] <shadow420> Tuv0k ok so I should download FireFox
[00:11] <Tuv0k> that should be installed?
[00:11] <Exilant> no, not in kubuntu
[00:11] <shadow420> no didn't come with it
[00:11] <Tuv0k> swuboo, http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
[00:11] <Exilant> also it shouldn't be needed
[00:11] <Exilant> shadow420: did you install sun-java?
[00:12] <swatTX> I get the following error when trying to open a terminal, "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" ... what'd i screw up now?
[00:12] <shadow420> Exilant I am go geting the JDK right now I want to be ale to compile java programs I am learn java
[00:13] <shadow420> the JDK also comes with the JRE
[00:13] <Tuv0k> swuboo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453
[00:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198453 in alsa-lib "Default ALSA device must use PulseAudio, otherwise ALSA applications may fail" [High,Confirmed]
[00:13] <Exilant> ok, so just install that
[00:13] <shadow420> I mean JRE is bundled in the JDK
[00:14] <Exilant> i don't know, might be
[00:14] <Exilant> you'll see wether you have java in your path afterwards
[00:15] <_derspankster> I have an interesting issue today, if I run update manager it opens and sits and spins, never a pw prompt. I kill it then reopen and it works. Strange.
[00:17] <Fritzel> where do you change the pointer themes in gnome?
[00:19] <WDX> Can anyone direct me to a site to a howto on ldap authentication? I need to completely do away with flat file auth
[00:19] <swuboo> Tuv0k:  Okay, now I can get things to work if I tell them to use OSS output and use the pasdp command.  Not elegant, but it works.
[00:20] <Tuv0k> thats how its done, you keep hacking at it
[00:20] <Tuv0k> but there is a huge bug list on it
[00:21] <Tuv0k> Bug #198453
[00:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198453 in alsa-lib "Default ALSA device must use PulseAudio, otherwise ALSA applications may fail" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198453
[00:25] <paulproteus> Can others reproduce this bug in Hardy that I found?  I seem to have found a bug in metacity's Alt-Shift-Tab behavior: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528337
[00:25] <ubotu> Gnome bug 528337 in general "Alt-shift-tab behavior has changed without notice" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[00:25] <paulproteus> (Also in Launchpad at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/217989 )
[00:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217989 in metacity "Alt-shift-tab behavior has changed without notice" [Undecided,New]
[00:25] <paulproteus> It's a very easy bug to test for - just Alt-Shift-Tab then tap the tab key.
[00:28] <paulproteus> I'd really like to get some activity on the bug before the release, if possible!
[00:28] <fortytwo> hi... gtk2 application's window redraw methods seem to be really slow when resizing compared to qt, wxwidgets or other libraries. is gtk2 performance not that great?
[00:28] <shadow420> Exilant where do I install the JDK
[00:29] <shadow420> Exilant in /usr/?
[00:29] <Exilant> why don't you just use the package?
[00:30] <Exilant> if you install it without using dpkg, rather use /usr/local or /opt
[00:39] <shadow420> Exilant where do I install the JDK in /us/?
[00:39] <shadow420> Exilant where do I install the JDK in /usr/?
[00:40] <Exilant> whereever you want, it's your pc
[00:40] <shadow420> Exilant ok
[00:41] <Exilant> I'd just use the package, but if not, /opt/sunjava or so would be a  nice place
[00:41] <shadow420> ok
[00:47] <swuboo> Well that's irksome.  Having set up the asound.conf to the recommended pulse settings, wineconfig successfully plays a test sound when set to ALSA when a pulseaudio application is playing sound already.  But actually running wine won't give sound.
[00:48] <shadow420> Exilant ok it's installed in /opt/sunjava
[00:49] <shadow420> Exilant so now what needs to be done
[00:49] <Exilant> put symlinks or the bin dir in your path
[00:50] <Exilant> (maybe the install program did that already
[00:50] <shadow420> Exilant I am not sure
[00:51] <shadow420> I didn't see any symlinks being made
[00:52] <Exilant> well, then it's probably /opt/sunjava/bin/java or so
[00:53] <usser> hardy should include an updated intel wifi driver 1.2.0 does not allow me to connect to my college network a huge drawback for me
[00:53] <shadow420> Exilant I will test it out
[00:57] <_ZeuZ_> is there any way to manage the ammount of ram that Ubuntu's base system take as default? to reduce that ammount, of course...
[00:58] <shadow420> Exilant blah I pointed Konqueror to java and restarted jave but still nop luck
[00:59] <usser> _ZeuZ_, turn off unneeded services, switch to lighter desktop environment like xfce
[00:59] <shadow420> Exilant blah I pointed Konqueror to java and restarted Konqueror but still no luck
[00:59] <shadow420> the applet is not loading up
[00:59] <_ZeuZ_> usser, Allready done services, and I want to keep KDE that is lower on resource ussage than Gnome..
[00:59] <usser> _ZeuZ_, kde4?
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> still my system is killing me in the ammount of ram taken...
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> No, 3.5.9
[01:00] <usser> _ZeuZ_, cause kde3 is a memory hog and in my experience takes more than gnome
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> not in mine, nor for benchmarks
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> kde4 is even more effective as for what to resources cal
[01:00] <usser> _ZeuZ_, try kde4 its supposed to be pretty good
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> call*
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> I-ve tried it...
[01:00] <_ZeuZ_> it's still pretty green
[01:01] <_ZeuZ_> I don't really like plasma (yet)
[01:01] <_ZeuZ_> nor the new "kicker"
[01:01] <Exilant> shadow420: well, can you "compile" and run java programs from the cl?
[01:02] <shadow420> haven't tried that because I don't have a java source program file
[01:02] <_ZeuZ_> you mean source CODE ^^
[01:02] <shadow420> yeah source code
[01:03] <usser> shadow420, want one?
[01:03] <_ZeuZ_> apt-build java (or the name of the package)
[01:03] <_ZeuZ_> it will do all for you
[01:03] <shadow420> usser yeah I need one for a test
[01:03] <usser> shadow420, hang on
[01:03] <shadow420> usser ok
[01:04] <shadow420> _ZeuZ_ on a pervious install of Gutsy I was able to use javac to compile if i remember correctly
[01:05] <swuboo> Woooo!  Got it.
[01:05] <ethana2> ..How do I change themes via command line?
[01:06] <swuboo> The answer was to replace libsdl1.2debian-alsa with libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio.  Now most of the apps that were refusing to produce sound through pulseaudio are doing so with no problem at all.
[01:06] <ethana2> I'm making a script to make Ubuntu ready for use after installation
[01:06] <Exilant> thought you were learning java...
[01:06] <shadow420> _ZeuZ_ well theres a jdk of sun java 6 but I am not sure it will be the latest version of java since the runtime is 6u5
[01:07] <_ZeuZ_> solution: try it ;)
[01:08] <usser> shadow420, there try this ftp://whom.homeunix.org/guiffmpeg.tar.gz
[01:08] <shadow420> Exilant yeah I just have to make sure I have the latest verison of the JRE so I can play games plus test the compiled java source codes
[01:09] <usser> shadow420, just extract it and javac *.java
[01:09] <_ZeuZ_> !nspluginviewer
[01:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginviewer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <shadow420> usser I just ran javac to see if bash sees it and it doesn't
[01:10] <_ZeuZ_> what is nspluginviewer?
[01:10] <usser> shadow420, what CPU do you have?
[01:10] <usser> _ZeuZ_, nspluginwrapper
[01:10] <usser> u mean?
[01:11] <_ZeuZ_> no, nspluginviewer, perhaps it's part of it, it's located on /usr/bin/nspluginviewer
[01:12] <shadow420> usser a P3 1ghz 512MB of RAM plus a decent SGraphics Card and Sound
[01:12] <usser> shadow420, do you have sun-java6-jdk installed
[01:13] <usser> shadow420, javac is in that package
[01:13] <shadow420> usser well I also want to make sure I have the latest JRE which is 6u5
[01:14] <usser> _ZeuZ_, hm i dont have it and i have nspluginwrapper
[01:14] <usser> shadow420, right thats the one i have i installed from the repos
[01:15] <shadow420> I may have to get rid of gutsy because it's using an older version of java
[01:15] <shadow420> and it's all screwed up
[01:15] <usser> shadow420, oh u on gutsy? why u in ubuntu+1 lol
[01:15] <_ZeuZ_> usser, dunno, I just saw it in htop and had to see what it was... gonna ask google
[01:15] <usser> shadow420, so how is java installed now? did u just download the binary for java.com?
[01:16] <shadow420> I am in Hardy right now but I have a Gutsy install
[01:16] <usser> shadow420, i see, still how did u install java?
[01:17] <shadow420> usser first I just used the downloaded binary
[01:17] <shadow420> but now I am using the repo install
[01:17] <shadow420> once it's finished that is
[01:18] <usser> shadow420, ok so its still installing right?
[01:19] <shadow420> usser ok it's installed
[01:19] <usser> shadow420, try it see if it works
[01:19] <shadow420> usser javac is reconized by bash
[01:19] <usser> shadow420, well nice
[01:20] <shadow420> usser but how in the hell can I fix it in gutsy to use the jatest version of java
[01:20] <shadow420> because I am going to have to fix it
[01:21] <nDuff> shadow420, have you used java-alt-setup to select the tools you want?
[01:21] <shadow420> I want to be able to use java in gusty as well as hardy Beta until I request my free CD of Hardy
[01:21] <nDuff> ...oh, n/m
[01:21] <usser> shadow420, i just grab the binary from java.com and create symlinks
[01:22] <shadow420> ok
[01:22] <nonewmsgs> my wired internet isnt working.  worked fine from edgy to gutsy doesnt on hardy.  i enabled dhcp on both wired conections and no love
[01:22] <nonewmsgs> although only one actually has a wire
[01:23] <usser> shadow420, ie put sun's binary into say /usr/lib/jvm and then just create symlinks to javac java etc. in /usr/bin
[01:23] <shadow420> ok
[01:25] <Roey> hello
[01:25] <Roey> is Youtube supposed to work out-of-the-box on Kubuntu 8.04/amd64 systems?
[01:25] <Roey> (using gnash) ?
[01:26] <usser> Roey, yes gnash should handle youtube
[01:26] <Roey> ok all I see so far is a busy-wait cursor in that little youtube window.
[01:26] <usser> given its gonna be slow but still
[01:26] <shadow420> usser should I install firefox2 or wait until firefox4 comes out
[01:26] <usser> shadow420, ehm... firefox3 you mean?
[01:26] <shadow420> usser yea 3
[01:27] <usser> shadow420, firefox2 is in gutsy by default hardy defaults to 3
[01:27] <usser> shadow420, i'd suggest to lay off 3 until its actually released
[01:27] <shadow420> usser Konqueror is pissing me off
[01:27] <shadow420> usser I can install FireFox2 right now from adept
[01:28] <usser> shadow420, do it, konqueror is not really a browser anyway
[01:28] <shadow420> I have no problems getting flash to work with it
[01:29] <nonewmsgs> is it possible to copy an mbr?
[01:30] <shadow420> I might keep gutsy around but I may just do away with it and use hardy from now on
[01:31] <nonewmsgs> which direction do resized partitions go in
[01:31] <shadow420> nonewmsgs don't matter
[01:32] <nonewmsgs> shadow420: i thought they could only expand in one direction
[01:32] <jbroome> you can grow and shrink
[01:33] <nonewmsgs> i am adjusting my windows ntfs partition
[01:34] <nonewmsgs> my caps lock seems to be stuck on
[01:36] <kreative> so after reinstalling and configuring ubuntu im unable to boot into windows. it loads, however i can only see my background image.
[01:37] <kreative> any solutions?
[01:38] <darthanubis> kreative, stop using windows :-P
[01:38] <gligorhoria> !specs
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about specs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <darthanubis> !windows
[01:38] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[01:38] <kreative> its not that easy
[01:38] <darthanubis> I know
[01:38] <darthanubis> !apps
[01:38] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[01:39] <gligorhoria> please can any one tell me the ubuntu 8.04 SERVER specs
[01:40] <usser> gligorhoria, specs?
[01:40] <gligorhoria> specifications, new stuff from 7.10
[01:40] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, goto ubuntu's homepage
[01:41] <darthanubis> !hardy | gligorhoria
[01:41] <ubotu> gligorhoria: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[01:41] <gligorhoria> there is only the descktop description on ubuntu.com or wiki!
[01:41] <darthanubis> doubt it
[01:41] <gligorhoria> man i checked it!
[01:41] <gligorhoria> the site and the wiki too
[01:42] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, youo simply are asking foro the changelog
[01:42] <darthanubis> and thats on the wiki
[01:43] <darthanubis> things different from hardy and gutsy are all over the web
[01:44] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[01:44] <gligorhoria> hmm, every where i loocked i spotted the decktop version and nothing aboute the server edition, ty i will check again
[01:44] <rpedro> anyone heard if the the kernel in hardy RC will have better multitasking performance? I'm not at all sure, but compared to gutsy, performance in user apps is much less reliable when running cpu intensive processes as root, for me at least, and I suspect it is because of the new CFS scheduler introduced in the kernel from kernel.org .
[01:46] <crimsun> that's why I use -server.
[01:46] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226
[01:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[01:46] <nonewmsgs> is there a way to tell the screen and graphics preferences my real horizontal/vertical rates before my eyes bleed or do i have to manually edit xorg.conf
[01:46] <gligorhoria> rpedro yes, i had experienced some performance issues with CFS but the overall is better if u sum up the system and the heavy duty apps
[01:47] <DanaG> I find it sucks -- much slower at some stuff.
[01:47] <DanaG> For example, Pidgin freeeeezes for a while at every start.
[01:47] <dwidmann> Is it possible, using the alternate installer, to re-use an encrypted partition that's already setup?
[01:48] <gligorhoria> i got some unexpected freezes 2 but i can't give u a full answer
[01:48] <rpedro> DanaG: thanks, taking a look at that bug now.
[01:48] <DanaG> Nice stuff should NOT take CPU time away from other things!
[01:49] <DanaG> ... but with CFS as is, it does.
[01:49] <DanaG> s/nice/root nice/
[01:50] <darthanubis> dwidmann, yes
[01:51] <dwidmann> darthanubis: how?
[01:51] <darthanubis> dwidmann, you need the keys
[01:51] <darthanubis> otherwise your toast
[01:51] <darthanubis> !google | dwidmann
[01:51] <ubotu> dwidmann: google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[01:52] <DanaG> It may just be easier to dist-upgrade.
[01:53] <darthanubis> I only point in the direction, I don't walk with you down the path :/
[01:53] <dwidmann> hahaha
[01:53] <dwidmann> whatever
[01:53] <darthanubis> there are those here who do that sort of thing
[01:53] <darthanubis> hand holding and whatnot :-P
[01:54] <shadow420> how do I make a symlink for java plugin to mozilla/FireFox2 Plugin?
[01:54] <shadow420> folder
[01:54] <darthanubis> the age old question
[01:54] <darthanubis> put that question exactly as you typed it here in google and prepare to be amazed
[01:55] <darthanubis> you might want to man ln as well
[01:55] <darthanubis> also sun javas site has a howto
[01:55] <darthanubis> google java plugin
[01:56] <gligorhoria> any 1 knows the ubuntu SERVER specs (i read the wiki and the site again btw)
[01:56] <darthanubis> anything like that will give you a gang of hits
[01:56] <dwidmann> darthanubis looks to me now like it's just down to what I need to modprobe to be able to run cryptsetup, I think
[01:56] <darthanubis> now your cooking with gas:)
[01:56] <usser> shadow420, firefox plugins usually go into /usr/lib/firefox
[01:56] <usser> shadow420, so cd /usr/lib/firefox
[01:57] <usser> shadow420, sudo ln -s path/to/javaplugin.so
[01:57] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, what are you talking about?
[01:57] <darthanubis> !server
[01:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[01:58] <darthanubis> !encrypt
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encrypt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <darthanubis> !encryption
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encryption - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <usser> shadow420, in java's binary plugin is in plugin/i386/ns7
[01:58] <DanaG> WTF?  Pausing quodlibet makes PulseAudio eat CPU.
[01:58] <shadow420> ok
[01:58] <shadow420> usser thanks
[01:58] <shadowhywind> hay all, ever since apirl 1, I haven't been able to change my login screen, kdm. Any one have any ideas?
[01:58] <gligorhoria> !crypto
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crypto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <usser> shadow420, so what you'd is assuming you copied your jre folder to /usr/lib/jvm
[01:58] <dwidmann> hmm, dm-crypt, cbc, sha256, and aes by the looks of it
[01:59] <usser> shadow420, cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[01:59] <darthanubis> !truecrypt
[01:59] <ubotu> Truecypt is a free open-source on-the-fly disk encryption software.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TruecryptHiddenVolume
[01:59] <dwidmann> (amazing what I can deduce by myself when forced to put my head to it and don't feel like using google)
[01:59] <usser> shadow420, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[01:59] <darthanubis> amazing is right!
[01:59] <usser> shadow420, that should do it
[01:59] <darthanubis> see hand holding on full display!
[01:59] <darthanubis> done for you
[01:59] <darthanubis> only in #ubuntu!
[02:00] <darthanubis> never get that type of service elsewhere
[02:00] <shadow420> usser ok I will restart firefox
[02:00] <usser> hehe
[02:00] <usser> shadow420, ok
[02:00] <darthanubis> never learn anything that way, but thats what ubuntu means
[02:00] <shadow420> I got a couple of apps I wanted FireFox and Xchat
[02:01] <Twistage> Anyone know if redirected direct rendering was incorporated in the beta?
[02:02] <usser> redirected direct rendering lol
[02:02] <RAOF_> Twistage: No; it still requires git snapshots of everything interesting (libdrm, mesa, X).
[02:03] <RAOF_> And also is only for Intel cards ATM, and only (I think) for 965 chips, and ... :)
[02:03] <shadow420> usser ok I checked it it did now start up it's still saying missing plugin
[02:03] <darthanubis> shadow420, thats why if you want something done right.....
[02:03] <gligorhoria> ok 1 more question, sorry for being anoing, if i want to use my ubuntu as a server and descktop would you recommend installing ubuntu server and xorg and all the other app on top or should i install ubuntu descktop and install lamp afterwards (i care aboute security mainly with the least amount of time required)
[02:04] <Twistage> RAOF: Bah of course I get shafted by having the Intel, haha.
[02:04] <RAOF> Twistage: It should *hopefully* make it into Intrepid; but that's by no means sure.
[02:04] <usser> shadow420, check the paths did u specify it correctly
[02:04] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, I install from the alternate cd
[02:04] <darthanubis> that way I get the best of everything
[02:04] <usser> shadow420, wheres your java folder double check that
[02:04] <darthanubis> !alt
[02:04] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[02:04] <usser> shadow420, try doing the same with /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[02:05] <RAOF> Twistage: Well, only the nvidia blob does it correctly, as far as I know.
[02:05] <shadow420> usser ok
[02:05] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, all I want, with nothing I don't want
[02:05] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, use tasksel
[02:05] <darthanubis> ;)
[02:05] <darthanubis> your set
[02:05] <gligorhoria> darthanubis ty, that's like debian network cd
[02:05] <darthanubis> yup
[02:05] <gligorhoria> or what?
[02:05] <gligorhoria> ok
[02:05] <darthanubis> you got it
[02:06] <darthanubis> gligorhoria, then you pull down only what you want
[02:06] <dwidmann> hmm, now to figure out how to get lvm to start so I can play with my encrypted lvm volume :\
[02:06] <darthanubis> dwidmann, are you using the alt cd?
[02:07] <shadow420> usser no such file or directory is what I am getting when I cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[02:07] <gligorhoria> hmm but will he ask me aboute the kernell and will the kernell be configured with the extra plugins they embaded in the server kernel ? :D
[02:07] <usser> shadow420, hm then you dont have it
[02:07] <usser> shadow420, nvm
[02:08] <gligorhoria> shadow420 locate mozilla
[02:08] <gligorhoria> to find out the path
[02:08] <dwidmann> DarkMageZ: of course, hmmmm, there we go
[02:09] <shadow420> /var/lib/mozilla-firefox?
[02:09] <gligorhoria> shadow420 might be
[02:09] <akio> im going to cry if i don't find out what group is 46
[02:09] <gligorhoria> try changing to that directory
[02:09] <darthanubis> "what group is 46"?
[02:09] <akio> yup
[02:09] <shadow420> gligorhoria nope only contains extensions.d
[02:09] <darthanubis> whats that supposed to mean?
[02:10] <akio> there is a line in fstab that i did not write
[02:10] <gligorhoria> shadow420 u tried with root privilegies?
[02:10] <darthanubis> you will need to form a coherent question
[02:10] <akio> the mounted files are accessible by group 46
[02:10] <dwidmann> doesn't seem to be recognizing the lvm volume properly :\ won't let me use it ....
[02:10] <darthanubis> bummer
[02:10] <akio> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[02:10] <shadow420> when I made the symlink I had root access
[02:10] <akio> what is 46?
[02:11] <darthanubis> you might want to learn about group ids?
[02:12] <gligorhoria> shadow420 sorry shadow...
[02:12] <gligorhoria> cu all
[02:12] <shadow420> blah
[02:13] <usser> shadow420, hm it works for me here
[02:13] <usser> shadow420, u sure u dont have old sun-java6 package laying around
[02:14] <usser> shadow420, lets go step by step
[02:14] <shadow420> I am sure
[02:14] <usser> shadow420, did u download latest binary from java.com?
[02:14] <usser> shadow420, self-extracting one
[02:14] <shadow420> yea that was the first thing I did so I can have the latest version
[02:15] <akio> darthanubis: there is no group 46 on my system
[02:15] <usser> shadow420, right and u ran it? and it created a directory called jre1.6.0_05?
[02:15] <DarkMageZ> dwidmann, hmm? what?
[02:16] <shadow420> usser jdk1.6.0_06
[02:16] <usser> shadow420, jdk?? there is no plugin in jdk, jdk is java development kit contains javac and all other tools for plugin u need jre
[02:16] <usser> shadow420, which is java runtime environment
[02:17] <shadow420> well when I installed the sun-java6-jdk it comes with the jre?
[02:17] <usser> shadow420, i dont think so
[02:18] <dwidmann> arghhhhhhhhh, "Apr 17 01:17:12 main-menu[18460]: WARNING **: parser_rfc822: Iek! Don't find end of field, it seems to be after the end of the line!
[02:18] <m1r> hello
[02:18] <usser> shadow420, oh it does my bad
[02:19] <shadow420> maybe if I install the plugin it might fix it
[02:19] <usser> shadow420, then directory layout of it is different probably
[02:19] <dwidmann> oh yay, stuck in some sort of endless loop, guess I might as well shut down now.
[02:19] <usser> shadow420, hang on dont do anything
[02:19] <darthanubis> akio, maybe a group was created for that ntfs partition. Are you having some sort of issue of some kind?
[02:19] <usser> shadow420, your symlink may point to nowhere?
[02:19] <akio> that group is plugdev
[02:19] <akio> and im a member
[02:19] <m1r> i have installed xubuntu-desktop package and after few startups , taskbars disapear. is there a way to get them back ?
[02:19] <darthanubis> plugin device
[02:20] <darthanubis> m1r, no tell what you did, thus can't walk you out of it?
[02:20] <usser> shadow420, right gimme the ln -s command that u issued?
[02:20] <usser> shadow420, exact command
[02:20] <akio> i could force the mounting of my ntfs partition, but i though there was a better way to do it
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> m1r: you might be able to get a better answer in #xubuntu, since getting them back isn't a hardy only issue
[02:20] <akio> with the new gnome vfs and fuse
[02:20] <darthanubis> !ntfs-3g | akio
[02:20] <ubotu> akio: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:21] <akio> right
[02:21] <shadow420> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:21] <shadow420> usser sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:21] <usser> shadow420, ok now do ls /usr/lib/jvm
[02:21] <usser> shadow420, pastebin it
[02:21] <shadow420> ok
[02:22] <m1r> darthanubis: i removed from menu "about xfce" and help" , last i recall
[02:22] <shadow420> !pastebin
[02:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[02:22] <m1r> nosrednaekim: ok i check also there
[02:22] <darthanubis> m1r, makes no sense to me?
[02:23] <shadow420> usser java-6-sun  java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>
[02:24] <m1r> darthanubis: i cant figure out why they dont appear, altho i have made firefox and pidgin shortcuts on desktop so i can use it
[02:24] <usser> shadow420, i dont understand did u put those there?
[02:24] <shadow420> no thats what the sun-java6-jdk put there
[02:24] <usser> shadow420, u told it to install there?
[02:25] <darthanubis> m1r, you not making any sense to me:/
[02:25] <usser> shadow420, cause it usually creates an installation in the same directory from which .bin file was invoked?
[02:25] <shadow420> usser no all I did was sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[02:25] <usser> shadow420, dude i dont get you, u said u wanted the latest version
[02:26] <usser> shadow420, the one in the repos is probably outdated
[02:26] <usser> shadow420, and apt-get does exactly that installs outdated version
[02:26] <shadow420> usser not accorrding to java.com
[02:26] <darthanubis> !plugin
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plugin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <usser> shadow420, oh man
[02:26] <darthanubis> !java
[02:26] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[02:26] <usser> shadow420, you just blew my mind :P
[02:27] <shadow420> usser in the hardy repos it's the latest version
[02:27] <usser> shadow420, so why go in all that trouble
[02:27] <usser> shadow420, i see.
[02:27] <shadow420> usser linux working with java is still very new to me
[02:28] <usser> shadow420, so do sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[02:28] <usser> shadow420, that will do
[02:28] <shadow420> usser did that still didn't work
[02:29] <akio> my fstab has hda names and fdisk -l has sda names
[02:30] <shadow420> usser all I did was install java and installed firefox2
[02:31] <shadow420> I may just yank everthing considering java out and start from scratch
[02:32] <darthanubis> shadow420, maybe read the links I gave you this time?
[02:33] <darthanubis> that was a lot of wasted time and engery to circumvent reading
[02:34] <shadow420> I am also new to KDE
[02:36] <Sergeant_Pony> evening folks
[02:37] <darthanubis> evening
[02:37] <m1r> darta
[02:37] <m1r> darthanubis: tnx it working
[02:37] <darthanubis> np
[02:38] <darthanubis> I could have told you what TheSheep ptold you, but I was not understanding your question,sorry
[02:38] <usser> shadow420, try sudo update-alternative --config java make sure the correct version is selected
[02:39] <m1r> sorry my bad english :/
[02:40] <darthanubis> m1r, I wish my spanish was as bad as your english
[02:40] <darthanubis> that gives me an idea
[02:40] <darthanubis> !es
[02:40] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:41] <darthanubis> see how well I can support en espanol channel
[02:43] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone play dvd's using vlc?
[02:44] <IdleOne> !ask
[02:44] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[02:44] <shadow420> sudo: update-alternative: command not found
[02:44] <usser> shadow420, sudo update-alternatives
[02:45] <usser> shadow420, my bad
[02:46] <shadow420> There is only 1 program which provides java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure.
[02:47] <usser> shadow420, looks fine
[02:47] <m1r> :D
[02:49] <usser> shadow420, i dunno man try that again cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugin
[02:50] <usser> shadow420, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:50] <usser> shadow420, restart firefox see if it works
[02:50] <usser> cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins sorry
[02:52] <kreative> on the side of my hp laptop i have the card readers for my digital camera xd card, how can i get it to read
[02:52] <mi> some1 have here q6600?
[02:53] <shadow420> it's woprking now
[02:53] <mi> fan speed is low ...900 RPM ?
[02:53] <shadow420> it's working now
[02:53] <m1r> my audio card is recognised but it dont play any sound : Yamaha Corporation YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller] (rev 02). any tips to get this runing ?
[02:55] <jblack> Has anyone heard anything about fixing the broken xen networking in Hardy?
[02:55] <Flannel> kreative: does plugging in the card work?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> anyone else have any problems with multiple mount point for each name? for instance disk, disk_, disk__, disk___ etc
[02:56] <usser> shadow420, cool!
[02:56] <shadow420> thanks everyone
[02:58] <kreative> flannel: nope
[02:59] <mi> stupid ...when T cpu is going high fan speed go down ??
[02:59] <mi> lol
[02:59] <swuboo> norednaekim:  Yes, but there's already a patch for that out.
[02:59] <Flannel> kreative: Well, lsusb will help, since I guarantee it's internally a USB device, but apart from that, I don't have much experience with card readers
[02:59] <swuboo> norednaekim:  Assuming your Hardy install is up to date, you should just have to clean up the existing redundant mount points and you won't have any new ones spawn.
[03:00] <Flannel> kreative: lsusb will give you device IDs and stuff, google might be a good place to go once you're armed with that.
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> swuboo: its not for me.. its for a freind
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> swuboo: I'll tell him to update
[03:01] <swuboo> nosrednaekim:  Patch came out yesterday, I think.  Regardless, have him update and clean up the existing cruft.  Should fix it.
[03:01] <instabin> does 8.04 support the canon mx700
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> alright
[03:01] <instabin> its a network printer/scanner
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> swuboo: alright... he's already all up to date, and he'll try cleaning up the cruft and seeing if that fixes it
[03:03] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone use vlc to play dvd's?
[03:03] <mi> yes
[03:03] <mi> vlc 0.9.0
[03:03] <swuboo> nodrednaekim:  Good luck.
[03:03] <Sergeant_Pony> does it work for you?
[03:03] <kreative> ok thanks.
[03:03] <RAOF> Sergeant_Pony: You'll almost certainly have more luck by asking your actual question :)
[03:04] <mi> yep
[03:04] <RAOF> Sergeant_Pony: Which is presumably "how do I make VLC play DVDs?" :)
[03:04] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm.. I can't get mine toplay dvd's... is there a plugin or something it needs?
[03:04] <swuboo> Sergeant_Pony:  libdvdcss2?
[03:04] <Sergeant_Pony> where would I find it to see if I have it?
[03:05] <swuboo> Sergeant_Pony:  No idea offhand.  Could probably just check Synaptic.
[03:06] <swuboo> Sergeant_Pony:  /usr/share/doc/libdvdcss2
[03:07] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks.. I';ll takje a look
[03:07] <swuboo> Sergeant_Pony:  Commercial DVD's simply *will not* play without that library.  Caveat:  Using that library to play DVD's is not legal in the United States.
[03:07] <Sergeant_Pony> really? hmmm.... interesting
[03:08] <crashsystems> I just entered. are you referring to libdvdcss?
[03:08] <swuboo> crashsystems:  Yup.
[03:08] <crashsystems> where is a good place to download that for hardy?
[03:08] <swuboo> crashsystems:  Synaptic comes to mind.'
[03:09] <crashsystems> it doesn't come up on a search.
[03:09] <swuboo> crashsystem:  Does for me.  Do you have multiverse enabled?
[03:09] <ffm> The gutsy to hardy process halted during the upgrade, see http://paste.tonybox.net/689 for what it currently displays. Any ideas? How should I proceed?
[03:09] <crashsystems> I believe so, though I will check
[03:10] <swuboo> crashsystem:  It's libdvdcss2, by the by.
[03:10] <Sergeant_Pony> that's why, I don't have it
[03:10] <taggie> crashsystems and sergeant_pony: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[03:14] <crashsystems> taggie: thanks. for some reason I thought that it was included in the "restricted extras" meta-package
[03:15] <taggie> crashsystems; because of the questionable legality issue, it probably will never end up in the default repos.
[03:15] <ffm> If my hardy updater seems frozen, how can I nudge it along? (I don't care if php is broken)
[03:16] <taggie> ffm, initial upgrade from gutsy to hardy, or just a regular apt upgrade?
[03:16] <keanu> I know the final freeze has already passed, but is there a reason why libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio isn't installed by default?
[03:17] <theKay> hey you guys
[03:17] <theKay> I've installed the prerelease version and upgraded and I get this with the flash installation: ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[03:17] <theKay>        Adobe Flash Player installer.
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> swuboo: worked great.. thanks
[03:18] <ffm> taggie: the former.
[03:18] <darthanubis> !flash64 | theKay
[03:18] <ubotu> theKay: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:18] <ffm> keanu: What's that?
[03:18] <taggie> ffm; that's a bummer, i don't know the answer.
[03:18] <theKay> awright
[03:18] <theKay> any news on java 64 then?
[03:19] <ffm> taggie: It just froze on php. Can I killall updatemanager and just ignore the broken php package?
[03:19] <swuboo> nosrednaekim:  Sure thing.
[03:19] <darthanubis> !icetea
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icetea - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <darthanubis> !java
[03:19] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[03:19] <darthanubis> !64
[03:19] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[03:19] <taggie> ffm, can't say. i have had regular upgrades broken and ctrl-c'ed, but not a distro upgrade. that seems scarier.l
[03:20] <darthanubis> theKay, I have working java on my 64bit box
[03:20] <darthanubis> theKay, search synaptic for java
[03:20] <darthanubis> !apps
[03:20] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[03:20] <darthanubis> !packages
[03:20] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[03:20] <theKay> the 32 bit though, right darthanubis?
[03:21] <keanu> ffm, i didn't know until about 30 minutes ago - apparently it's sdl compiled with pulseaudio (just reading synaptic)
[03:21] <darthanubis> no
[03:21] <darthanubis> there are 64 bit alternatives
[03:21] <darthanubis> search synaptic
[03:21] <theKay> fill me in a bit on this if you don't mind. I was left back when it was announced that java would go open source
[03:21] <keanu> ffm, from what I noticed, programs using sdl and sound won't function unless that package is installed (and libsdl1.2debian-alsa removed).  the rockbox simulator, for instance, will segfault unless that package is installed
[03:22] <darthanubis> theKay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea
[03:23] <darthanubis> Unlike Sun's own Java release, IcedTea provides a working browser plugin for 64-bit browsers under 64-bit Linux. This makes it suitable to enable support for Java applets in 64-bit Firefox, among others. Also, Java Web Start support by means of NetX.
[03:23] <darthanubis> :)
[03:23] <crashsystems> has anyone here had difficulty/success in getting a microphone (ether built in or via microphone port) to work in hardy?
[03:23] <darthanubis> no
[03:23] <theKay> oh ok. thanks very much for that darthanubis
[03:24] <darthanubis> np
[03:24] <darthanubis> I luv 64bit
[03:24] <crashsystems> my mic worked just fine in 7.04, but ever since 7.10, it has not worked. I've tried this on two laptops, and know people who have been having the same problem.
[03:25] <theKay> which soundcard?
[03:26] <crashsystems> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:26] <crashsystems> I've had the same problems on other cards though.
[03:26] <theKay> not that H again!
[03:26] <crashsystems> what do you mean theKay?
[03:27] <theKay> can you post the result of: grep Codec /proc/asound/card0/codec#*
[03:27] <theKay> ?
[03:28] <crashsystems> /proc/asound/card0/codec#0:Codec: SigmaTel STAC9228
[03:28] <crashsystems> /proc/asound/card0/codec#1:Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
[03:28] <DanaG> Hmm, when I pause quodlibet, PulseAudio eats CPU.
[03:28] <theKay> ok
[03:28] <darthanubis> !pastebin
[03:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[03:28] <theKay> I think you can get this working crashsystems
[03:28] <ffm> keanu: then add it as a dep of thos packs.
[03:29] <theKay> a friend of mine had this 82801H but is was a realtek 268 if I remember well
[03:30] <crashsystems> dell inspiron 1420, btw
[03:30] <shadow420> KDE is really nice I may switch or stay with GNOME
[03:30] <theKay> you might go searching for that SigmaTel STAC9228
[03:30] <theKay> brb, have to restart ffox
[03:32] <theKay> ok
[03:32] <crashsystems> I found this in bug #186940 in launchpad
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186940 in linux "SigmaTel STAC9228 8.04 Broken" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186940
[03:33] <keanu> ffm, my point is is that it seems all programs using sdl (rockbox sim, frozen-bubbles, neverball, etc) require libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio to output sound, which is why i'm wondering why it's not installed by default
[03:34] <theKay> so the flash plugin only works with ffox32?
[03:35] <crashsystems> that is what I have heard
[03:35] <theKay> that's a pity
[03:35] <theKay> how is that flas alternative going?
[03:35]  * DanaG has broken capture in STAC9250.
[03:36] <crashsystems> theKay: are you asking me?
[03:36] <theKay> anyone
[03:37] <kenneth1> does xubuntu release of 8.04 come simultaneously w/ ubuntu release?
[03:38] <ffm> kenneth1: #xubuntu?
[03:38] <ffm> kenneth1: I don't know.
[03:39] <kenneth1> ffm: it's quiet there.  but thanks for the feedback
[03:39] <ffm> kenneth1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4731129
[03:39] <crashsystems> just found the solution! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/186940/comments/19
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186940 in linux "SigmaTel STAC9228 8.04 Broken" [Undecided,Fix released]
[03:40] <kenneth1> ffm: how do you know when those things are reliable ?
[03:40] <eternal_p> hey all, has anyone had any success with vmware 6.5 and bridged networking?
[03:41] <ffm> kenneth1: You don't.
[03:41] <kenneth1> ffm: sweet...now that's what I call useful.
[03:42] <keanu> ffm, wouldn't libsdl1.2debian-all or libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be better than -alsa since PA is the default sound system in hardy?
[03:43] <ffm> kenneth1: In the past that's been the case.
[03:43] <kenneth1> Go ask a question and just get people's random guesses to your answer.  Or maybe there are even people who purposefully go on the forums and give false information.
[03:43] <kenneth1> ffm: so you're saying they've released simultaneously in the past?
[03:46] <ffm> kenneth1: mhm.
[03:46] <ffm> kenneth1: Why would people lie?
[03:48] <theKay> ok flash+java working
[03:48] <theKay> some icons don't load properly on firefox32
[03:49] <kenneth1> ffm: some people actually get a kick out of causing other people pain.
[03:50] <kenneth1> ffm: anyways...thanks for the info.  I appreciate your help!
[03:58] <keanu> wouldn't libsdl1.2debian-all or libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be better than -alsa as the pre-installed package since PA is the default sound system in hardy?
[04:07] <ayllu> Hi, i have a problem with the web cam i get this message "could not connect to video device"
[04:08] <ayllu> any ideas
[04:11] <usser> video cams are quirky
[04:11] <ffm> Hi, I can't log into my install via the console, even.
[04:11] <ayllu> what you mean wiht quirky
[04:11] <ffm> I get a *module not found* error via the console.
[04:12] <usser> ayllu, some work right out of the box others wont work at all. Try googling maybe someone had a similar problem
[04:17] <ecker> how's hardy running? safe / good idea to upgrade?
[04:17] <nonewmsgs> no
[04:17] <nonewmsgs> i would wait until actual relese
[04:18] <ecker> advice taken
[04:18] <nonewmsgs> but as always YMMV
[04:19] <ffm> ecker: It works fine if you do a fresh install.
[04:20] <ffm> ecker: Upgrades can be rough if you've heavilly modded your install.
[04:20] <ffm> For example, my PAM install is totally hosed.
[04:20] <ecker> eh, then i guess i shall wait
[04:20] <ffm> ecker: But my newly installed hardy machine runs snappilly.
[04:41] <cvd-pr> hey there
[04:49] <HorizonXP> !hardy
[04:49] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[04:50] <jbroome> wow, thanks for the driveby botting
[04:52] <freakabcd> hi all
[04:53] <freakabcd> could someone tell me why the dvd iso is 3.7G and not 4.3 or 4.4G in size?
[04:53] <linkinxp> in what folder are the softwares that i install???
[04:53] <freakabcd> couldn;t more software be included in the dvd?
[04:53] <Flannel> linkinxp: It doesn't work quite like that.
[04:53] <Flannel> freakabcd: More software is
[04:53] <Flannel> !filesystem | linkinxp
[04:53] <ubotu> linkinxp: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[04:53] <freakabcd> Flannel, yes? theres still .7 G left
[04:53] <linkinxp> Flannel:  let me check :D
[04:54] <abarbaccia> all - i am working with mythtv on hardy and i can't determine if pulseaudio or the sound card driver is causing this problem: alsa emulation works for playback but changing the volume within mythtv does not have any effect. in fact, changing the volume from the gnome-volume applet doesn't have any effect either. help please?
[04:54] <Flannel> freakabcd: well, there's more software on the DVD than the CD, if its not full, then yes, in theory more could be put on there.  Are you sure theres 700mb left?
[04:55] <freakabcd> the dvd is 3.7G
[04:55] <freakabcd> same as the last one for gutsy :(
[04:55] <wastrel> compiz is crashy in the latest updates
[04:55] <freakabcd> its a shame that much space is left out
[04:55] <Flannel> freakabcd: that means theres 1G left
[04:55] <l815> i just updated and my screen resolution wont go above 640x480
[04:55] <freakabcd> Flannel, huh?
[04:56] <Flannel> freakabcd: DVDs are 4.7G
[04:56] <freakabcd> sorry. the 3.7GiB. the crappy dvd manufacturers discs (4.7GB)are really 4.4GiB
[04:57] <freakabcd> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20080417/
[04:57] <Flannel> freakabcd: What I'd like to say is that all of the packages in main are on the DVD, but I know thats not the case, since the other WMs arent.
[04:57] <freakabcd> the sizes there are `real' computer units (2^x).
[04:57] <freakabcd> yeah, thats why i asked.
[04:57] <Flannel> freakabcd: File a bug, perhaps.
[04:57] <freakabcd> theres a _lot_ of space on the dvd remaining. why didn;t they fill it up?
[04:58] <Flannel> freakabcd: I'm aware of the difference between G and Gi
[04:58] <Flannel> I just wasn't aware DVDs were GB
[04:58] <freakabcd> Flannel, unfortunately they are.
[04:58] <freakabcd> i file a bugreport on launchpad?
[04:59] <Flannel> well, I'm not really sure, but that'd be one way of looking at it.  I'd file a bug, and stop by -devel and ask, -motu also may be able to say (although mildly offtopic, but motu is a somewhat relaxed channel)
[05:00] <T1m0thy> what is motu?
[05:00] <freakabcd> yeah. i never thought of asking in motu.
[05:00] <freakabcd> lemme try there
[05:00] <freakabcd> Masters Of The Universe
[05:01] <T1m0thy> o.O
[05:01] <Flannel> freakabcd: and once you find out, be sure to let me know.  Since youre not registered and can't query, I'll always be in -offtopic.
[05:01] <Flannel> T1m0thy: they take care of the stuff in universe
[05:01] <T1m0thy> o
[05:01] <T1m0thy> h
[05:01] <T1m0thy> *oh
[05:01] <freakabcd> Flannel, i am registered. just didn;t bother to identify :p
[05:01] <Flannel> freakabcd: alright, let me know once you find out, one way or another.
[05:01] <freakabcd> there, i'm identified now
[05:03] <T1m0thy> What does a GiB or MiB etc exist for?
[05:04] <Flannel> T1m0thy: ask in -offtopic, seeing that you're there already, and thats a good place for it
[05:04] <T1m0thy> alright
[05:16] <Hammer89> my brother just ran dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda on my fresh 8.04 installation as a practical joke :\
[05:16] <RAOF> Whoops.  This is why your brother shouldn't be in the 'admin' group :)
[05:16] <Flannel> Hammer89: Well, at least it was a fresh install
[05:17] <JohnPhys> Hammer89:  Ouch, that's why you don't let him have sudo powers :)
[05:17] <Hammer89> :D
[05:17] <Hammer89> I caught it and stopped it... dunno how much damage it's caused
[05:17] <Hammer89> still boots...
[05:18] <Hammer89> Flannel: yeah... he should be glad of that... someone's head would be rolling if it were my every-day use computer :P
[05:19] <RAOF> Hammer89: If he didn't execute it with sudo, it won't have done anything.  If he _did_ execute it with sudo your partition table should be toast.
[05:19] <Hammer89> it was definitely executed with sudo...
[05:19] <RAOF> Oh, I don't suppose that hda is your cd drive?  Almost all hdds should be using libata, which'll name them /dev/sd?
[05:20] <Hammer89> lemme check that
[05:20] <MrGnu> Good evening, do we handle Ubuntu 64 here?
[05:20] <RAOF> Where `?` should be interpreted as a regex char, not a quention mark :)
[05:21] <RAOF> MrGnu: If you mean "Is this a support chanel for the x86-64 variant of Hardy", then yes.
[05:22] <Hammer89> lol... I think I'm all good... doesn't look like hda was my main disk (duh? :P )
[05:22] <Hammer89> guess his practical joke was better than I thought... :\
[05:22] <edoceo> My FF3 beta has stopped automatickly opening PDFs with kPDF  - seems all application associations are hosed - ideas?
[05:24] <MrGnu> I am in the process of installing anI have XP as the primary, Vista is secondary and I shrank the partition using Vista.  My question is if in installing Hardy 64 it picks the harddrive that is other than what vista sharnk the partiton for, if it will affect the bootloading so that I will not be to boot all three proplerly?
[05:25] <freakabcd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/218505
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218505 in ubuntu "install/live DVD is *not* full" [Undecided,New]
[05:26] <afallenhope> hey guys!
[05:26] <afallenhope> is there an issue with the b43 module?
[05:26] <american> hi everyone
[05:26] <micha__> how do i install the kubuntu resticted driver manager in systemsettings
[05:26] <american> I'm currently using 7.10 fresh install so i don' tmind installing Heron beta.  Which is better to upgrade to stable when it is released?
[05:26] <american> heron i mean
[05:27] <RAOF> MrGnu: I'm not quite sure what the question is.  Everything should be fine if you install Hardy onto the empty partition.
[05:27] <JohnPhys> MrGnu:  when you say "primary" and "secondary", are you referring to separate physical drives, or partitions?
[05:27] <edoceo> Welll - I've been running Hardy updates daily on my primary workstation for weeks - use it now
[05:27] <edoceo> If you find an issue file a bug ;)
[05:27] <MrGnu> JohPhys: They are seperate physical drives
[05:27] <micha__> somebody know how the package name for the restricted manager
[05:27] <ionstorm> Hey is there any way to completely re-install all default packages to the ubuntu defaults via apt ?
[05:28] <DanaG> Hammer89: If you ever have partition table damage, remember this word: TestDisk.  It's a utility that can save partition tables, seemingly magically.
[05:28] <ionstorm> or completely remove all packages to the default ubuntu installation
[05:28] <Hammer89> DanaG: thanks :D
[05:28] <DanaG> (But it won't fix damage within partitions, most likely.)
[05:28] <ionstorm> ive been searching google for over an hr
[05:28] <RAOF> ionstorm: No, not with apt only.
[05:29] <ionstorm> RAOF, i seen a python script that did that
[05:29] <ionstorm> i know its not just with apt, do you know a good method?
[05:29] <edoceo> ionstorm: find list of defaults, grep -v the dpkg -l output, use those non-matches to apt-get remove --purge ?
[05:29] <RAOF> edoceo: I was just about to suggest that :)
[05:29] <ionstorm> edoceo, im suprised there isnt documentation on that
[05:29] <ionstorm> that would be handy to allot of ppl
[05:29] <edoceo> If you make that script please post somewhere nice - I could use it too.
[05:29] <edoceo> OMG!!!!
[05:29] <RAOF> ionstorm: It's not really something that comes up often.
[05:30] <edoceo> I have a fresh LTS server install I can get you the dpkg list from...
[05:30] <edoceo> Just removed mysql and postfix so add those back to the list and tada!
[05:30] <MrGnu> XpHDB1 AND VSTA IS ON SDA 1 UBUNTU IS SLECELCTING SDB3
[05:30] <ionstorm> RAOF, yes I want to figure this out then add it to the tutorials on ubuntuforums
[05:30] <RAOF> Of course, you'd actually want to be a bit more sophisticated; you'd want to look at (say) ubuntu-desktop and build up a list of it's depends, then all of their depends, and so on, until you'e got everything.
[05:31] <JohnPhys> MrGnu: please watch the caps lock
[05:31] <edoceo> gettting now ... hang on
[05:31] <RAOF> ionstorm: I suggest trying a bit of a python script; it shouldn't be _too_ hard to do that recursion with python-apt
[05:31] <freakabcd> micha__, it is called restricted-manager-kde
[05:31] <micha__> freakabcd: thanks
[05:31] <MrGnu> Sorry using A smaller keyboard
[05:31] <freakabcd> micha__, for kde ofcourse. the gnome one is restricted-manager
[05:31] <micha__> ionstorm: what are you trying to do
[05:32] <RAOF> freakabcd: Isn't it actually 'jockey' now?
[05:32] <ionstorm> micha__, just reinstall ubuntu to the original state
[05:32] <freakabcd> i dunno.
[05:32] <peepsalot> in gutsy, i usually see a little progress bar before x starts, but i just get a black screen in hardy, then gdm all the sudden
[05:32] <peepsalot> is this normal?
[05:32] <freakabcd> i've never tried hardy install. i just do live hardy-beta sessions once in a while
[05:32] <afallenhope> omg omg omg omg!!! where's the "any key" I'm lost!
[05:33]  * afallenhope lol kidding
[05:33] <critter-> peeps that is normal if you dont have the splashscreen activated
[05:33] <freakabcd> P on your keyboard!
[05:33] <ionstorm> See i figure reinstalling to defaults will be easier for others than doing a full install with a livecd
[05:33] <ionstorm> well just an easy option anyways
[05:33] <edoceo> ionstorm: http://edoceo.com/pub/dpkg.out
[05:34] <edoceo> maybe say curl [that url] | awk '{ print $2 }'
[05:34] <edoceo> Or use cut, or sed or perl or whatever
[05:34] <ionstorm> edoceo, thanks
[05:34] <peepsalot> lol, for screen resolution, my options are 800x600, 640x480, and "OFF"
[05:34] <peepsalot> sounds scary
[05:35] <critter-> peepsalot, i have heard that people have had expansions of resolutions upon install ubuntu-restricted-extras and also updating their systems
[05:35] <edoceo> so - no ideas on the firefox lost applications list?  Can't believe i'm the only one...
[05:36] <Hammer89> I had issues with my resolution after installing 8.04... it wouldn't let me set it higher than 800 x 600... it worked again after I installed the restricted drivers and restarted, though
[05:36] <peepsalot> critter, i wasn't so much commenting about the lack of options, i just that that "OFF" was a very strange resolution
[05:36] <peepsalot> s/that that/thought that/
[05:37] <critter-> ahh so maybe its not ubuntu-restriced-extras but the restricted drivers.  thanks Hammer89
[05:37] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "libgweather is a library to access weather information from online services for numerous locations. This package contains shared libraries." My favorite Web-Service-Provider does not need libgweather. Why does Ubuntu Hardy install libgweather install by default?
[05:38] <MrGnu> Never mind John Phys thanks for trying, I found the solutoin.  Thanks again.
[05:38] <critter-> bicyclist, may i pm you ?
[05:39] <JohnPhys> MrGnu: sorry, I got pulled away for a bit
[05:39] <crdlb> bullgard4: ? the clock weather thingy needs it
[05:39] <bicyclist> why ?
[05:39] <critter-> bike questions :)
[05:39] <bicyclist> Grin, ok.
[05:40] <MrGnu> No worries thanks all Have a good night
[05:40] <bicyclist> Anyone having problems with printing under firefox 3beta5 ?
[05:40] <bicyclist> I always get an xml error instead of being able to print
[05:41] <bullgard4> crdlb: Thank you for your information. Still, I do not need the clock weather thing.
[05:41] <crdlb> bullgard4: so?
[05:41] <critter-> i just printed something through cups and firefox 3 beta5 so its working ok here
[05:42] <peepsalot> alright, 311MB of upgrades to install wwooooo
[05:43] <shadow420> bicyclist I would suggest to downgrade to FF2
[05:44] <Hammer89> I thought it was kinda odd myself that they'd use a beta version of FF as the default browser :P
[05:44] <crdlb> it's because firefox 2 is _so_ terrrible :)
[05:44] <hydrogen> I thought it was kinda odd they used FF as the default browser
[05:45] <crdlb> (it's so terrible that I used three r's ...)
[05:45] <critter-> shadow420, when you downgrade to firefox 2 do you still have issues with flash playback ?  like firefox crashing after every 2nd flash video played ?
[05:45] <Hammer89> crdlb: lol
[05:45] <edoceo> negative: FF3beta5 is pretty good - only crashed once in the last four days!
[05:45] <shadow420> critter- I hardly had any problems with flash in FF2
[05:46] <critter-> thanks.  i'll keep that in mind
[05:46] <Hammer89> "hardly had any problems"... why does that strike me as mildly amusing :\ **looks at the time... ah... that must be why**
[05:48] <shadow420> infact flash is working right now
[05:51] <shadow420> critter-  even though I am on a beta version of Hardy I am not testing my luck
[05:53] <tanner> !beta
[05:53] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[05:53] <tanner> erm,
[05:53] <tanner> !hardy
[05:53] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[05:53] <bullgard4> What does the 'g' stand for in 'gvfs', a userspace virtual filesystem?
[05:54] <Flannel> gnome
[05:55] <shadow420> bullgard4 Gnome Virtual FileSystem
[05:56] <bullgard4> shadow420: Can you tell me why just GNOME needs "a filesystem where mount runs as a separate process which you talk to via dbus"?
[05:58] <shadow420> bullgard4 no I can't I don't have a high rate of knowledge of linux
[05:58] <bullgard4> shadow420: Right. Thank you.
[05:58] <Flannel> bullgard4: gvfs is the filesystem gnome uses for its automounting, I believe.
[05:59] <crdlb> gvfs is used to access any non-local storage
[05:59] <bullgard4> Flannel: I will try to confirm that. --  Thank you.
[05:59] <crdlb> ftp, sftp, smb, etc
[05:59] <Flannel> crdlb: what about usb drives/cards/etc?
[06:00] <crdlb> Flannel: well gio (the lowlevel part in GLib) has APIs to handle volume mounting, but the mounting itself is done by gnome-volume-manager + hal
[06:02] <bicyclist> Have downgraded to firefox 2 and can print there. With a fresh firefox 3 beta5 install i still cannot print.
[06:02] <crdlb> I guess it probably contains some volume-related stuff
[06:03] <crdlb> it's mainly about allowing seamless access to data anywhere no matter what protocol it's available on
[06:04] <shadow420> bicyclist it's because FF3 is still unstable
[06:04] <shadow420> why do you think I went with FF2 over FF3Beta
[06:04] <bicyclist> Well i am not angry about that, just wondering if it is a well known bug.
[06:05] <bicyclist> Grin, i know have both on the system depending on what i want to do.
[06:05] <shadow420> !firefox
[06:05] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:06] <shadow420> !help firefox
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help firefox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:06] <CoasterMaster> Is the RC being released today?
[06:07] <bicyclist> Nope on April 18th.
[06:07] <bicyclist> Got a mail regarding RC Release yesterday.
[06:09] <CoasterMaster> that's probably for the better as I have a big program due tomorrow and now isn't the time to be installing a new OS
[06:09] <shadow420> !hardy
[06:09] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[06:09] <shadow420> for hard
[06:11] <shadow420> I am dumping my second HD of both operating systems when I get my CD of Hardy Heron with Gnome KDE seams a little bit to much of windows
[06:11] <CoasterMaster> I'm a gnome man...i don't like kde :(
[06:11] <shadow420> and thats what I want to stay away from another windows look alike
[06:12] <CoasterMaster> shadow420, you can check out fluxbuntu :)
[06:12] <peepsalot> oh sweet, got the boot progress bar after updates
[06:12] <shadow420> how good is Fluxbox?
[06:13] <CoasterMaster> shadow420, my friend swears by it
[06:13] <CoasterMaster> it's very minimalist
[06:13] <peepsalot> wooo, and uber screen resolution is here! 1920x1280
[06:13] <peepsalot> er 1920x1200
[06:14] <shadow420> well I also want to make sure my apps that I like to run will
[06:16] <shadow420> run on FluxBox like nexiuz and other apps
[06:17] <RAOF> shadow420: Yes.  Everything should run under every desktop environment.
[06:19] <critter-> now that ufw is bundled with hardy is it adviseable to use it on top of a NAT router ?
[06:23] <peepsalot> wow, this system monitor is crazy.  it uses up a ton of CPU just to display it :-/
[06:24] <peepsalot> it seems to be updating at a very fast interval, even though it is set to once per seconf
[06:24] <DanaG> sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH
[06:24] <DanaG> Sucks.
[06:25] <peepsalot> lol, i guess I'm not the only one
[06:25] <DanaG> It's a bit disturbing.
[06:25] <peepsalot> yeah, and i thought the old system monitor used too much CPU
[06:26] <bullgard4> critter-: What does 'ufw' stand for?
[06:27] <darthanubis> bullgard1, its a firewall
[06:27] <darthanubis> !ufw
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ufw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <darthanubis> !firewall
[06:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:27] <darthanubis> !packages
[06:27] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[06:28] <nickrud> !info ufw hardy
[06:28] <RAOF> peepsalot: It (is meant to) smoothly scroll between the 1sec datapoints.  It's curretly set for 5fps.  Sadly the nvidia drivers don't accelerate XRender very well at all, so you get the rubbish performance.
[06:28] <ubotu> ufw (source: ufw): program for managing a netfilter firewall. In component main, is standard. Version 0.16.2 (hardy), package size 22 kB, installed size 204 kB
[06:28] <darthanubis> nickrud, thx!
[06:29] <tehquickness> Is it possible to use BCM43xx driver in 8/04?
[06:29] <tehquickness> **8.04
[06:29] <peepsalot> RAOF, well, then the "enable smooth refresh" checkbox in the preferences is broken, because I have it turned off
[06:29] <darthanubis> !broadcom
[06:29] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[06:29] <RAOF> Oh, I didn't know there _was_ such a preference.
[06:29] <DanaG> !bot
[06:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:29] <DanaG> !botabuse
[06:29] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[06:29] <DanaG> end.
[06:29] <DanaG> I usually give up after two tries.
[06:30] <tehquickness> hmm that was odd
[06:31] <peepsalot> RAOF, errr, nevermind, that is a preference under the "Processes" tab.  but really, there should be a preference for graphs if this is going to cause such crappy perfomance.
[06:32] <peepsalot> i don't really care that if it refreshes every second or so.
[06:32] <DanaG> I want a jaggedy graph, not a nauseating lurchy one.
[06:32] <DanaG> Imagine riding in a car that was doing that.
[06:32] <DanaG> sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH sliiideLURCH
[06:33] <DanaG> Ugh, now my cube / cylinder is twitchyflickering.
[06:34] <pwuertz> hi... some update broke compiz for my nvidia/hardy system... another intel/hardy system still works
[06:35]  * DanaG still hasn't installed that nvidia-glx-new update.
[06:35] <DanaG> .... no changelog.
[06:35] <DanaG> That policy has served to keep me behind long enough to avoid some major breakages over the Gutsy and Hardy cycles.
[06:36] <pwuertz> compiz doesn't do anything anymore
[06:36] <DanaG> that... and lurking in IRC>
[06:36] <Fritzel> if X just crashed for what appears like no reason, where would I go to check to see what happened?
[06:36] <pwuertz> no decorations.. no movement of windows using shortcuts...
[06:37] <_sluimers_> How can I check wether nautilus gksu works?
[06:37] <RAOF> peepsalot: To summarise the open GNOME bug on that: "We're not going to add a 'I'm using a rubbish driver' option when there's any chance that this will encourage drivers to be less rubbish".
[06:37] <_sluimers_> I cannot open folders in admin :(
[06:37] <Lynoure> Fritzel: /var/log/Xorg.log
[06:37] <_sluimers_> despite having installed the package
[06:37] <pwuertz> Fritzel: /var/log/Xorg.log or similar... but I guess there is nothing to find if it just crashed
[06:38] <cvd-pr> How can i  resume in wget?
[06:38] <Fritzel> pwuertz: Lynoure: would there be any place else? that shows a flawless startup
[06:38] <jbroome> cvd-pr: wget -c URL
[06:39] <jbroome> or man wget
[06:39] <peepsalot> RAOF, argh, even if the driver wasn't rubbish, i still would probably turn it off.  i mean, i'm sure it still uses some cpu.  and i prefer my monitors to influence the readings as little as possible
[06:39] <Fritzel> pwuertz: Lynoure: which I'm sort of taking to mean that log clears when X restarts?
[06:39] <Lynoure> Fritzel: look at the older ones.
[06:39] <pwuertz> Fritzel: thats what the .0 and .1 files are for
[06:39] <pwuertz> .1 is the older one
[06:39] <Lynoure> Fritzel: the bigger the number, the older they are
[06:39] <peepsalot> i should write my own GUI system monitor and call it heisenberg
[06:39] <Fritzel> well it jumps from 0 to 10
[06:39] <Fritzel> but there is a 0.old which I'm looking at now
[06:39] <pwuertz> aggg sorry
[06:40] <pwuertz> the dot-number files are indicating the screen number
[06:40] <peepsalot> RAOF, have a link to the bug?
[06:40] <pwuertz> normally just .0
[06:40] <DanaG> what's this "i'm using a rubbish driver" point?
[06:40] <pwuertz> yea.. the .old file is the correct one
[06:40] <Fritzel> ahh ok the 10 was probably when I had to sysrq k then
[06:40] <Fritzel> nevermind I found it, driver appears to have taken a nap
[06:41] <pwuertz> driver problems might appear in dmesg as well
[06:41] <Fritzel> so much for the beta driver, it works soo much better, too bad it isn't stable :/
[06:41] <pwuertz> ati?
[06:41] <Fritzel> nvidia
[06:41] <Fritzel> 173.xx
[06:41] <Fritzel> brb gonna revert to the old one
[06:41] <pwuertz> Fritzel: are you having problems with compiz and nvidia-glx-new?
[06:42] <pwuertz> compiz stopped working after some upgrade here...
[06:42] <DanaG> I've essentially decided to avoid nvidia next time -- and go with ATI, frankly.
[06:42] <peepsalot> ah, i see that file-roller is still a piece of poo
[06:42] <Fritzel> no this is right off the sight,
[06:42] <nekostar> starscalling
[06:42] <Fritzel> ste
[06:42] <Fritzel> site
[06:42] <starscalling> DanaG: wth?
[06:42] <DanaG> I'd rather have open-source crap than closed-source crap.
[06:42] <Waistless> what's a good driver which minimises emerald corruption?
[06:42] <Fritzel> anyway brb let me get stable before doing anything else
[06:42] <pwuertz> k
[06:42] <Waistless> nvidia 169.12 isn't doing that well
[06:43] <nickrud> with crap levels roughly the same ....
[06:44] <peepsalot> seriously, it fails to extract about half the archives I throw at it
[06:44] <RAOF> DanaG: the problem is that the nvidia driver just doesn't accelerate XRender to any decent extent; since the gnome-system-monitor graphs are drawn using Cairo, and cairo is using XRender...
[06:44]  * crdlb has never seen file-roller fail to extract something
[06:45] <RAOF> DanaG: Again, with nouveau those graphs are smooth and take minimal CPU, because nouveau actually bothers to accelerate XRender.
[06:45] <crdlb> though I've only ever used it for tar.gz, tar.bz2, and deb (ar) archives
[06:45] <DanaG> Hmm, another random note: set cube to 3 sides, and stretch a window as far as it'll go.
[06:45] <RAOF> peepsalot: Not offhand, sorry.  Searching the system-monitor component of gnome-bugzilla should find it fairly easily.
[06:46] <crdlb> DanaG: my max texture size is too low to do that :<
[06:47] <peepsalot> crdlb, http://download.jetbrains.com/idea/idea-7.0.3.tar.gz    fails for one, if you care to give it a whirl. though, it's a 70MB download
[06:47] <DanaG> Window border breaks, but window itself doesn't.
[06:47] <DanaG> And it has a limit of some sort.
[06:47] <crdlb> DanaG: turns white?
[06:47] <DanaG> Yep.
[06:47] <peepsalot> crdlb, whereas tar -xvf completes with no errors
[06:47] <DanaG> What's odder is that the window will go into the center of the cylindrified triangle.
[06:47] <crdlb> that's because the shadows extend slightly beyond the windows
[06:47] <DanaG> ... if it's in a certain position.
[06:48] <crdlb> and the maximum size calculation ignores the shadows
[06:49] <DanaG> Oh, and lighting with cylindrify is odd.
[06:49] <DanaG> And atlantis with cylindrify is oddly, but amusingly, "squishy"
[06:49] <DanaG> Or bouncy -- it bounces up a bit on rotate.
[06:50] <peepsalot> crdlb, i've had issues with file-roller being unable to extract various files on basically every Ubuntu install i've used
[06:50] <nickrud> is cylindrify an actual word?
[06:50] <DanaG> Beats me.
[06:50] <DanaG> Oh, and atlantis2 ignores "deform only on mouse rotate"
[06:51] <DanaG> Swim with the fishes!
[06:52] <Waistless> DanaG: do you know if that window border breaking is a problem with emerald or nvidia drivers? I can can instigate it right now just by switching tabs in chatzilla
[06:53] <crdlb> all window border problems are nvidia's fault :P
[06:54] <critter-> i'm rather happy that i dont have to rely on sides of a cube to manage my tasks on my 22" lcd.  the effects are pretty, but functionally i am ok.
[06:54]  * DanaG wishes HP would put a 3-series in the 8510p / 8510w.
[06:54]  * DanaG wishes Asus would release a Cardbus or ExpressCard "Xonar" sound card.
[06:55] <_sluimers_> I cannot open folders as admin despite having installed nautilus-gksu
[06:55]  * DanaG wonders if he should get 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 on 15.4".
[06:55] <_sluimers_> I cannot open folders as admin despite having installed nautilus-gksu, what could be wrong?
[06:55] <swuboo> critter-:  No one has to rely on it, but it can be very convenient.
[06:55] <shadow420> !nautilus-gksu
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nautilus-gksu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <RAOF> DanaG: 1920x1200?  Where can you get that on a 15" for a reasonable price?
[06:56] <shadow420> !nautilus
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nautilus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <critter-> i'm not into flipping cubes if everything i need fits in one window.
[06:56] <ethana2> oh wow
[06:56] <shadow420> critter- I agree with you
[06:56] <critter-> _sluimers_, you've tried   sudo gksu nautilus  and can't open folder in hardy ?  thats odd
[06:56] <RAOF> You guys obviously don't open enough stuff :)
[06:57] <_sluimers_> critter- , I am reading right now about this in the bugs section
[06:57] <critter-> i've got tons of stuff open now.  i'm glad i'm not actively flipping the ones that are open and not in use :)
[06:58] <DanaG> sudo gksu?  Why?
[06:58] <RAOF> Because you're crazy?
[06:58] <DanaG> RAOF: depends how you define reasonable.
[06:58] <RAOF> DanaG: True, I suppose :)
[06:58] <DanaG> If I configure the 8510p and 8510w to the same specs (except FireGL instead of Radeon), aside from the monitor, they aren't too different.
[06:58] <critter-> yes i did not catch that
[06:59] <peepsalot> anyone running dual monitors with nvidia?
[06:59] <RAOF> peepsalot: Yes.
[06:59] <DanaG> I don't remember what it came out to, though.  The 'p' has a 15% deal, the 'w' has a 24% -- or something like that.
[06:59] <RAOF> (Come on nouveau!)
[06:59] <DanaG> Give it a try.
[06:59] <RAOF> DanaG: Linky?  I'm lazy.
[07:00] <peepsalot> RAOF, the screen resolution app Detect displays button doesn't seem to do anything for me
[07:00] <RAOF> peepsalot: Yes.  That's because nvidia are too cool to use X's dual-screen infrastructure.
[07:00] <DanaG> I have no idea of the quality of the WUXGA, though.
[07:00] <RAOF> (To be fair, X's dual screen infrastructure doesn't handle dual *cards*, which nvidia does)
[07:01] <peepsalot> RAOF, hmm, so what is used to configure them
[07:01] <RAOF> peepsalot: You'll need to install & use the nvidia-settings package.  Also, nvidia doesn't properly populate the Xinerama info if you change monitors after you start X, so you want to have both monitors plugged in at boot.
[07:02] <peepsalot> argh, that's annoying
[07:02] <RAOF> Yes.  Come on nouveau!
[07:02] <DanaG> RAOF: 8510p:  http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3355678.html     8510w:   http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html
[07:03] <RAOF> DanaG: Ta :)
[07:03] <peepsalot> RAOF, would it be possible to default it to single monitor at boot, and then have a simple script to siwtch to dual mode?
[07:03] <DanaG> They have prebuilt and "cto" (custom to order, or something like that)
[07:04] <peepsalot> RAOF, how are those noveau drivers coming?
[07:04] <DanaG> RAOF: trick for getting Intel WiFi with FreeDOS: select "no wireless" and then go to the bottom and get an Intel card "a la carte"
[07:05] <critter-> can anyone give me any idea whether swapping nvidia videos cards for another model can significantly improve your standard desktop video rendering quality ?  i picked up a lower end card that had good visual ratings on newegg.  i have no idea if newer cards might be better or perhaps another brand
[07:05] <DanaG> Heh, blu-ray drive is 500 bucks.
[07:05] <RAOF> critter-: If you're pushing the video over a DVI cable, chances are it's not going to make any difference at all.
[07:05] <DanaG> I wish hd-dvd had won -- that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
[07:05] <critter-> thanks RAOF
[07:06] <DanaG> ALso note the coupons.
[07:07] <DanaG> Heh, want two 4GB SODIMMS for 1200 bucks?
[07:08] <DanaG> I don't know if that's real value, or grossly inflated by HP.
[07:10] <shadow420> SODIMMS?
[07:11] <DanaG> Asking for definition, or the size?
[07:11] <shadow420> DanaG definition
[07:11] <DanaG> Small-Outline Dual Inline Memory Module.  Notebook Memory.
[07:11] <shadow420> oh ok
[07:12] <RAOF> Heh.  I think 8GB ram is possibly overkill just yet.  Especially when 4GB of ram is comparitively cheap.
[07:12] <shadow420> DanaG you can probly get it cheaper at a computer store or Best Buy?
[07:13] <RAOF> $2.3K doesn't seem too bad for all that.  Although I wouldn't actually want that laptop; I want something 13".
[07:13] <RAOF> Or even smaller.
[07:14] <DanaG> Hmm, they have some other stuff with notebook GPUs.
[07:14] <shadow420> heh the computer I want is a Desktop but it's based price is over 3K after customization it comes out to about 7K
[07:14] <DanaG> Oh yeah, was that for the P or W?
[07:15] <DanaG> er
[07:15] <DanaG> stuff with weaker GPUs.
[07:15] <RAOF> DanaG: that was... the one with a 1920x1200 screen.
[07:15] <DanaG> w.  Workstation.
[07:16] <peepsalot> hmm, context sensitive tab completion does not seem to be enabled by default
[07:16] <DanaG> What's your market segment you want?  Small and light, or "balanced mobility"?
[07:16] <peepsalot> you guys know what controls that?
[07:17] <RAOF> "Balanced mobility" would probably describe me.  Something like a 13" MBP would rock my socks.
[07:17] <bullgard4> darthanubis: Thank you for your information.
[07:17] <peepsalot> for ex: sudo aptitude install firef<tab><tab>
[07:17] <RAOF> peepsalot: the bash-completion package, most likely.
[07:17] <shadow420> Dana light and balanced
[07:17] <peepsalot> ah
[07:17] <RAOF> peepsalot: Or you could install zsh, which is made of awesome.
[07:17] <shadow420> !find zsh
[07:17] <ubotu> Found: zsh, zsh-dbg, zsh-dev, zsh-doc, zsh-beta (and 3 others)
[07:18] <shadow420> !zsh
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zsh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <darthanubis> bullgard1, got your wifi working?
[07:18] <peepsalot> RAOF, was bash-completion defaulted on in feisty and gutsy, or am I on crack?
[07:18] <DanaG> Look at the other categories.
[07:18] <darthanubis> yw
[07:18] <owen1> i loose my keyboard layout after restart. anyone?
[07:18] <RAOF> peepsalot: It's been split out of the main bash package in Hardy, yes.
[07:19] <darthanubis> owen1, its a bug, search google next time, you'll see it
[07:19] <owen1> darthanubis: ok. thank you.
[07:19] <darthanubis> !google
[07:19] <ubotu> google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux
[07:19] <darthanubis> np
[07:19] <DanaG> RAOF: balanced-mobility category; smallest is 14".  http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/321957-321957-64295-321838-89315.html
[07:20] <bullgard4> darthanubis: My wifi is working in Gutsy. I did not try to get it working in Hardy yet.
[07:20] <tanner> anyone getting 3GB with eSATA?
[07:20] <tanner> 3.0Gbps*
[07:20] <darthanubis> bullgard1, you'll be fine
[07:21] <DanaG> Real bottleneck is the hard drive.
[07:21] <DanaG> On SATA.
[07:21] <peepsalot> GBps or Gbps?
[07:21] <peepsalot> big difference
[07:21] <tanner> Gbps
[07:21] <tanner> which is why i corrected myself.
[07:22] <DanaG> Lenovo does high-res small screens.
[07:22] <DanaG> And they have keyboard lights, too.
[07:22] <RAOF> Yeah.  Lenovo may be the manufacturers of my next laptop
[07:22] <tanner> the driver is only allowing the chipset to get 1.5Gbps, where as expresscard allows up to 2Gbps
[07:22] <tanner> Thinkpads are the best laptops :)
[07:23] <peepsalot> tanner, still, that would be 375 MB/s which is more than any drive I've heard of can handle
[07:23] <peepsalot> last i checked max was somewhere around 50-70MB/s
[07:23] <DanaG> My Hitachi 7K200-200 does 60 to 70, tops.
[07:24] <DanaG> My old Fujitsu 5400rpm did something more like 40-50 tops.
[07:25] <peepsalot> tanner, IIRC i had a sata drive where you had to set a jumper to make it fullspeed or something like that
[07:25] <peepsalot> or a jumper on the mobo, or both, can't remember very well
[07:25] <tanner> its not the drive
[07:26] <tanner> its the driver.
[07:26] <tanner> >.> anyway. back to work
[07:28]  * DanaG wonders what distro he should put in VirtualBox.
[07:28] <DanaG> Hardy is my primary OS.  Nothing has ever taken the place of Ubuntu for me.
[07:28] <peepsalot> ALL OF THEM!
[07:28] <BHSPitMonkey> Has anyone noticed in hardy, that when most (all?) gtk windows are created, they momentarily look... like a TV out of sync?
[07:29] <BHSPitMonkey> DanaG, the only use I have for VirtualBox is to run XP
[07:29] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: You're running a composite manager, aren't you? :)
[07:29] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, on the contrary.
[07:29] <RAOF> No composite manager?  Not compiz, kwin, metacity, or xcompmgr?    So you *are* using a composite manager :)
[07:29] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, ah, well.  I said I was on Hardy.
[07:30] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: You may not have turned on the metacity composite manager :)
[07:30] <DanaG> Another thing: I like orange.
[07:30] <peepsalot> *couldn't get all of them working correctly in vbox though
[07:30] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, I'm using defaults.
[07:30] <BHSPitMonkey> I.e., "None" in the Desktop Effects tab.
[07:30] <DanaG> Anybody else been having VirtualBox irreversably grab keyboard?
[07:30] <DanaG> And host key not working.
[07:30] <BHSPitMonkey> Nope
[07:30] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: Oh, so you may _not_ be using a composite manager!  Strange.  You can check the /apps/metacity/general/composite_manager gconf key.
[07:31] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, I am getting the compositing effects in Gnome.
[07:31] <RAOF> Ah, right.  So that's enabled then.
[07:31] <BHSPitMonkey> But those are a standard feature of 2.22.
[07:31] <RAOF> Anyway, this is an X problem, which is fixed in 1.5
[07:31] <DanaG> belenix?  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=belenix_07&num=1
[07:31] <RAOF> (As well as making nouveau _even faster_)
[07:32] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, and when do we see 1.5 in hardy?  :)
[07:32] <DanaG> Argh, I wish you could send SMART commands over Firewire.
[07:32] <DanaG> My external hard drive unloads its heads after 0.5 seconds idle.
[07:32] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: Once the universe has undergone a big crunch, and we reset everything :P.
[07:33] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: It should be in Intrepid, though.
[07:33] <DanaG> Playing music from ntfs-3g results in a SSSHCLICK every 5 seconds.
[07:33] <DanaG> From ext3: a "crunch" (seek) noise every 1 or 2 seconds.
[07:33] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, what a shame that hardy must be pushed out with such a glaring bug.
[07:33] <DanaG> Imagine taking music and inserting a "crunk" noise.
[07:34] <DanaG> Is there any easy way to keep a drive active so it doesn't go idle?
[07:34] <BHSPitMonkey> Seems delay-worthy, given the LTS and all.
[07:34] <ethana2> http://xkcd.com/
[07:34] <ethana2> obligatory
[07:34] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: Except we'd need to delay like 3 months :)
[07:35] <BHSPitMonkey> ethana2, why was that obligatory
[07:35] <ethana2> the comment
[07:35] <ethana2> with the broken hard drive noise and music
[07:35] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: It's also more apparent in metacity than in Compiz, generally.
[07:35] <BHSPitMonkey> ethana2, ah.
[07:35] <BHSPitMonkey> ethana2, permalinks are always more relevant than homepage urls :P
[07:35] <ethana2> yup, I know....  sorry
[07:36] <DanaG> Anybody here using catalyst 8.4?
[07:36] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9119
[07:36] <DanaG> that library mentioned.... find it and run 'strings' on it.
[07:37] <DanaG> Aargh, that hard drive is going to drive me batty.
[07:38] <DanaG> crunk
[07:38] <DanaG> crunk
[07:38] <DanaG> crunk
[07:38] <DanaG> crunk
[07:38] <DanaG> ... you get the point.
[07:38] <ethana2> I see that word on t-shirts
[07:38] <ethana2> what does it mean?
[07:38] <mysticdarkhack> morning all
[07:39] <RAOF> You know what would be frikkin awesome?  If "Dynamic Twinview" was, you know, _dynamic_.
[07:39] <ethana2> morning!
[07:39] <DanaG> beats me.  I'm using it as a sound effect for "hard drive seeking"
[07:39] <mysticdarkhack> So is the rc release yet?
[07:39] <ethana2> not that I can tell
[07:39] <ethana2> probably soon, if there is one
[07:39] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:39] <ethana2> haven't had a look at the release schedule for a while
[07:39] <traveller> hi, i'm using kubuntu hardy and under kmenu->system there is no harware manager any ideas?
[07:40] <RAOF> ethana2: It was delayed.  Meant to be already out.
[07:40] <mysticdarkhack> delay
[07:40] <mysticdarkhack> really?
[07:40] <ethana2> RAOF: interesting
[07:41] <RAOF> Yes.  It shouldn't delay the actual release, but there's a bit of a problem with the actual making of the CD :)
[07:41] <mysticdarkhack> what would be the prob?
[07:41] <mysticdarkhack> oh
[07:41] <DanaG> Argh, once vbox grabs keyboard, it never lets go.
[07:41] <_ruben> RC is scheduled for today, not sure if they'll make it
[07:41] <DanaG> I had to enable AllowDisableGrabs in xorg.conf to un**** my keyboard.
[07:42] <mysticdarkhack> what time today
[07:42] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:43] <peepsalot> DanaG, sure you're not pressing the wrong ungrab key?  IIRC it's only the Ctrl on the right that works
[07:43] <afief_> Is there no compiz settings manager package in Hardy?
[07:43] <mysticdarkhack> sa, what yall think of the theme on hardy?
[07:43] <afief_> mysticdarkhack, I like it:)
[07:43] <DanaG> Yup, pressing right ctrl.
[07:43] <BHSPitMonkey> Has anyone else had problems with openoffice.org packages colliding?
[07:43] <peepsalot> mysticdarkhack, it's nice.  first time(that i've seen) where they incorporated the animal into the artwork
[07:44] <DanaG> Even setting host key to scroll lock doesn't help.
[07:44] <BHSPitMonkey> openoffice won't install because openoffice-core and openoffice-common conflict
yes by install compizconfig-settings.manager
[07:44] <DanaG> I don't like the particular brown in the current wallpaper.
[07:44] <DanaG> I'd like something more like something from the Gutsy wallpaper's pallete.
[07:44] <Lynoure> DanaG: You are advanced enough to change it...
[07:44] <DanaG> But just for the background.
[07:44] <Lynoure> Even my mother is :)
[07:44] <DanaG> better: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti
[07:45] <DanaG> Use the thing linked to above 'gdm theme'
[07:45] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=color-grey-translucent.svg
[07:45] <DanaG> That'd be a nice secondary one to add.
compizconfig-settings-manager I meant
[07:45] <pen> is there similar application like sizer in vista where you can have predefined window size to change the size quicky
[07:45] <afief_> mysticdarkhack, thanks:) that's the one I've been looking for
[07:46] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, your description is lacking
[07:46] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: have you used a program called sizer in windows?
np
[07:46] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: is there a app like that in ubuntu?
[07:46] <RAOF> DanaG: Wow.  That svg brings firefox to its knees.
[07:46] <BHSPitMonkey> No, or else I would have understood you.
[07:47] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: ok, sizer is app which enables you to have predefined size for windows.
[07:47] <BHSPitMonkey> that svg has a default rendering resolution set too high
[07:47] <DanaG> All SVGs do, for me.
[07:47] <DanaG> All ones on that page, at least.
[07:47] <mysticdarkhack> glad they finaly imput 3d on compiz-fusion
[07:47] <mysticdarkhack> woohoo
[07:47] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:47] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: so if you say want to change the size of the window to a precise degree you can accomplish that with sizer
[07:47] <ethana2> mystic: what?
[07:47] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: it's very good for web developers
[07:47] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, oh
[07:47] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: is there not?
[07:48] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, you can have the resolution display when resizing windows
[07:48] <mysticdarkhack> 3d effect on the cube ethana2
[07:48] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: but I want a quick and precise resize
[07:48] <RAOF> pen: So, I believe that devilspie will do what you want.  And you can probably get Compiz's resize to do what you want, too.
[07:48] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, let me show you something, hold on
[07:48] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: I hope there is such program exist in ubuntu
[07:49] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, http://www.nicholasroussos.com/general/browser-hacks/
[07:49] <mysticdarkhack> surprisingly ubuntu getting a lot of attention all over
[07:49] <traveller> does anybody had problem with jockey-kde for registered drivers?
[07:49] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, you can drag those Resize links to your bookmarks toolbar.
[07:49] <mysticdarkhack> company thinking of switching to ubuntu server
[07:49] <DanaG> Oh, and VirtualBox gets a GPF if I start it after suspend and resume.
[07:50] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: well that only works for browsers
[07:50] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: sometimes I want my other windows works too
[07:50] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, you said you used it for web development :)
[07:50] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, take RAOF's advice, then
[07:50] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: yea you are right, but i also want that too :P
[07:51] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, and also enable the numbers I was talking about.
[07:51] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: numbers? you means the links?
[07:52] <pen> RAOF: k
[07:52] <pen> RAOF: how can I do that? is there a documentation for that?
[07:52] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, no, the feature where it displays dimensions while resizing.
[07:52] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: I already have that enabled :)
[07:52] <BHSPitMonkey> damn you're picky
[07:53] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: it's just a little bit slow and tedious with touchpad
[07:53] <RAOF> pen: I don't know of any; I've never tried to do what you describe.  There probably is some, and google will likely find it :)
[07:53] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: :P
[07:53] <BHSPitMonkey> pen, if you're only working with a laptop touchpad, precision was never something you had in mind :)
[07:53] <DanaG> click!
[07:53] <BHSPitMonkey> or deserve
[07:53] <DanaG> argh, damn WD.
[07:53] <DanaG> 0.5 seconds is TOO SHORT!
[07:53] <pen> BHSPitMonkey: that's why I want to have that functionality
[07:53] <pen> RAOF: k
[07:53] <DanaG> Imagine if your engine turned off when you were stopped for 0.5 seconds.
[07:54] <DanaG> Did you try the SVG with custom colors?
[07:54] <DanaG> I like it way better than the fixed color.
[07:57] <DanaG> And I wish it'd stop abusing my hard drive.
[07:58] <pascalFR> !bug 202730
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202730 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "IR not working with AOpen MP965-DR" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202730
[08:00] <traveller> does anybody had problem with jockey-kde for registered drivers?
[08:00] <Wobbo> i was happy to see the new boot/splash loader has the right resolution! But what about the aspect ratio, it such a shame to see the ubuntu logo stretched out over a widescreen
[08:02] <pascalFR> !bug 197771
[08:02] <BHSPitMonkey> Wobbo, sounds like it wasn't at the right res after all
[08:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197771 in ubuntu "[hardy] numpad not working as expected after boot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197771
[08:03] <Wobbo> BHSPitMonkey: it is, i checked
[08:04] <DanaG> Gateway was lame and didn't give any widescreen VBE modes.
[08:04] <DanaG> And nvidia is lame and doesn't have accelerated framebuffer.
[08:07] <Lunks> Looks like fileroller is asking me for a password when there's a damaged RAR file on a multiple archive
[08:08] <Lunks> Which is really weird
[08:08] <swuboo> Lunks:  Maybe it can't tell whether it's damaged or encrypted?
[08:08] <Lunks> I just lost 2 hours of my life trying to find a password for something which doesn't have a password. :P
[08:08] <Lunks> swuboo: Shouldn't it? =P
[08:09] <Lunks> It's not really user-friendly
[08:09]  * DanaG needs a good backup app.
[08:10] <ttkeppi> Lunks, have you tried unrarit? -it's a proggie for windows, that tries tons of different passwords on rar files.
[08:10]  * Lunks *needs* to backup
[08:10] <Wobbo> DanaG: Nvidia is the least lame of them all, ati is way lamer
[08:10] <Lynoure> DanaG: You've been thinking about that really long. Which ones have you rejected already? :)
[08:10] <swuboo> Lunks:  It's probably better to err on the side of encrypted when it's confused; after all,  wasting some time looking for a nonexistant password is a better idea than simply declaring a file to be corrupt when it isn't.
[08:11] <DanaG> faubackup takes too long and uses too much space each time -- but perhaps nothing can do any better on ext3.
[08:11] <swuboo> DanaG:  Have you considered gmailing the contents of your hard drive to yourself file by file?
[08:11] <Lunks> ttkeppi: I found out it was damaged using some crack tool, which complained
[08:11] <DanaG> 200 gig hard drive, on gmail?  I don't think so.  :P
[08:11] <DanaG> I DO have a backup drive -- just not ideal software.
[08:12] <swuboo> DanaG:  Well, really, just the package list, documents, themes, and config files.
[08:12] <Lynoure> DanaG: did you try and reject dirvish too?
[08:12] <DanaG> I didn't see a "don't cross filesystem boundaries" option.
[08:12] <Lynoure> DanaG: it does have that.
[08:13] <DanaG> Hmm.  Still want a GUI, though.  :(
[08:13] <Lunks> ctrl+w has some issues with me. :P
[08:14] <Lunks> swuboo: It was my fault, I skipped the par files as I think they're winrar-only files.
[08:14] <tapas> hardy beta 1 alternate installer, commandline install, grub failed to install
[08:14] <tapas> installer givesno reason
[08:14] <Fritzel> does anyone know what the secret is to get realplayer working>?
[08:14] <Lynoure> DanaG: hmm, if you want a GUI because what you want to back up varies day-to-day, all of the rsync based ones will end up being a hassle, I'm afraid :/
[08:14] <tapas> reason nowhere to be found
[08:14] <tapas> lilo installed fine
[08:14] <DanaG> Actually, a non-gui but works-like-Apple's-thingy one would work for me.
[08:14] <DanaG> Simple but space-efficient.
[08:15] <Lunks> swuboo: So I was mistakenly led to believe the file had a password
[08:15] <DanaG> I just hope my external drive doesn't load-cycle itself to a premature death.
[08:15] <ttkeppi> DanaG: Acronis drive image? ..if i remember correct, you can set the amount of compression
[08:15] <DanaG> Not even a debconf for dirvish?
[08:15] <tapas> and the kernel likes to make a looong pause after detecting the ide devices
[08:15] <tapas> hrmpf
[08:15] <Lynoure> DanaG: But if I recall, you did not need an hourly backup?
[08:15] <DanaG> Right.
[08:16] <Lynoure> DanaG: two (of if one really wants, more) config files, very flexible.
[08:16] <DanaG> I have a partition that I'll say to "use all free space if you need it" -- and taper off snapshots.
[08:17] <DanaG> I also want to exclude caches and /tmp and such.
[08:17] <DanaG> !dirvish
[08:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dirvish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:18] <DanaG> Ooh, remember that transparent svg?
[08:18] <DanaG> Try it with atlantis2 cube, and the following color settings:
[08:18] <Lynoure> DanaG: the exclusion is easy, making it autoexpire based on disk space and not time takes a shell script still, I think, but a simple one.
[08:18] <swuboo> Lunks:  True.  But think of it in the other direction--if it had been *encrypted* and Fileroller thought it was corrupted, it would be quite impossible to open, unless there's an option for forcing fileroller to use a password on it.
[08:18] <DanaG> vert gradient from #143D67 to #673614
[08:19] <Lynoure> DanaG: it's hard to talk with you, you never addressing people you talk to. But I can still walk you though the set up process some day, if you wish
[08:19] <DanaG> Lynoure: oh, I guess that'd help, using names.  Thanks.
[08:19] <tanner|t40> erm :-\
[08:19] <DanaG> And I'll move my media back to my NTFS partition on the drive, since having it on the ext3 one abuses the drive just as much as on the ntfs-3g.
[08:20] <Lynoure> DanaG: it helps a lot when a person is on many channels, yes. Thanks.
[08:20] <Lunks> swuboo: Yeah, but that's kinda abstract, almost philosophical =P
[08:20] <swuboo> Lunks:  Schrodinger's archive?
[08:22] <BHSPitMonkey> Does anyone know anything about the conflict between openoffice.org-common and -core?
[08:22] <Fritzel> is there anyway I can attach realplayer codecs to a different player? realplayer is garbage
[08:24] <Lunks> swboo: modified mac os image
[08:25] <DanaG> Anybody try that svg with those colors?
[08:25] <DanaG> Oh, and turn off "draw water"
[08:25] <DanaG> It doesn't cylindrify the water.
[08:26] <tarelerulz> if you put a password on the bios would that make so you could not even use a cd to over write some one os
[08:26] <tanner|t40> omg, i cant get X server to work >.>
[08:27] <spiderfire> tarelerulz: you would have to reset the bios jumper to access the commputer
[08:27] <swuboo> tarelerulz:  If I understand you, yes.  You could put a password on the BIOS preventing someone from changing the device boot order, and if the CD drive was below the hard drive, it would be impossible to overwrite the OS via CD without at *least* two mintues' effort.
[08:28] <SeveredCross> Uh, physical access > all.
[08:28] <swuboo> Well, okay, less than two minutes if they don't have to root around looking for the CMOS battery.  Security through poor cable management, hurrah!
[08:28] <SeveredCross> It's called you pull the HDD.
[08:28] <SeveredCross> Or pull the CMOS battery.
[08:28] <SeveredCross> Even better.
[08:28] <swuboo> SeveredCross:  Note that I said impossible "without at least two minutes' effort."
[08:28] <SeveredCross> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[08:29] <tarelerulz> Well, I sure you could get around it ,but for someone just sealing your computer it would be way work then they would want to do
[08:29] <swuboo> Sealing or stealing?
[08:30] <tarelerulz> haha stealing
[08:30] <swuboo> No, I don't think so.  If I'd gone to the trouble of stealing a computer, resetting the BIOS and throwing on a fresh copy of XP to cover my tracks wouldn't really be all that much effort.
[08:31] <tarelerulz> I was just telling someone about why linux is more security the windows. talking about user and passwords and such
[08:31] <LucidFox> I have another problem after upgrading to Hardy: HAL doesn't start
[08:31] <swuboo> Well, if you put a password on the BIOS and then epoxy your case shut, that would probably do it.
[08:31] <ttkeppi> swuboo: you could still be tracked by mac address
[08:32] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  Which can be changed pretty easily, even in Windows.
[08:32] <LucidFox> and if I start it manually, with sudo /etc/init.d/hal start, then hald hangs and can't even be killed with -9
[08:32] <DanaG> My next laptop I get will have Intel AMT... just for the sake of experimentation.
[08:32] <ttkeppi> swuboo: didn't know that in windows that's possible
[08:32] <DanaG> And perhaps that LoJack thing?  Maybe?
[08:32] <tarelerulz> I was just telling them why I think windows get hacked so easy
[08:33] <tarelerulz> I would like to see the securty protection in action
[08:33] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  I seem to remember a console command for Windows that will do it---even if I'm wrong, an NIC isn't that much trouble to go to either.
[08:34] <swuboo> tarelrulz:  There's no such thing as security against physical access when it comes to PC's.
[08:34] <DanaG> Anybody try that svg?
[08:35] <swuboo> tarelrulz:  Let me rephrase that:  there's no such thing as security against attackers *with* physical access when it comes to PC's.
[08:35] <swuboo> There certainly is security against physical access itself---doors come to mind.
[08:35] <tarelerulz> II would like to see it over the net
[08:36] <tarelerulz> I know I more then like don't do it write
[08:36] <swuboo> tarelrulz:  No one's using a CD to overwrite your OS over the net, either.
[08:36] <jblack> swuboo: Hmmm. Not even encrypted root filesystems?
[08:36] <swuboo> jblack:  That's really just a question of time, isn't it?
[08:36] <DanaG> ATA passwords?
[08:36] <swuboo> Time.
[08:36] <DanaG> Depends on the password, perhaps.
[08:36] <DanaG> Especially if you make a password with international characters.
[08:37] <DanaG> Oh, how about against smart-card security?  Can you use that in any way?
[08:37] <swuboo> A password that would take infinitely long to crack would take infinitely long to type in, too.  Everything else is finite.  Like I said, time.
[08:37] <jblack> Given enough time, people can dig through concrete with spoons.
[08:37] <swuboo> jblack:  Yes.  Unattended concrete is not secure against spoons, it's true.
[08:37] <tarelerulz> I am just wondering you all run linux like I do . Is there job you can get working with just it ?
[08:38] <DanaG> Depends what the spoons are made of.
[08:38] <swuboo> Especially when the power of spoons doubles every eighteen months, and they only have to get one lucky scoop.
[08:38] <DanaG> There is no...... never mind.
[08:38] <jblack> I have a point. Just because something -can- be done, doesn't mean it can be done in time to still have value.
[08:39] <DanaG> ATA password will make it so people will steal the laptop for the laptop, but not get the data.
[08:39] <ttkeppi> I got a laptop for free, when my father in law told that if I can make it work, it's yours.. So I set cd to bootable device, and booted ubuntu install.. and it was done.. there was some hdd encryption proggie, that i ignored, since i didnt need the data..
[08:40] <gregory> tarelerulz: i wouldnt feel save to do onlinebanking with windows. with linux i can sleep better
[08:40] <swuboo> jblack:  That's entirely true.
[08:40] <ttkeppi> but i do believe that there might be some bruteforce proggie that would have opened the hdd
[08:40] <jblack> Good security, whether physical, logical or otherwise, comes down to one thing, and one thing only. Slowing adverseries down enough that the effort greatly exceeds the value.
[08:41] <ethana2> jblack: like in the pwn to own thing
[08:41] <swuboo> jblack:  Physical security can also come down to injuring or killing them, it probably bears mentioning.
[08:41] <ethana2> ^_^
[08:41] <jblack> Who's "them" ?
[08:42] <swuboo> "adveraries".
[08:42] <ethana2> swuboo: nice, how many adveraries do you know?
[08:42] <jblack> We may not have the same concept of who an adversary can be.
[08:42] <swuboo> ethana2:  None, it was jblack's word originally.
[08:42] <swuboo> jblack:  Or what physical security might consist of.
[08:43] <ethana2> swuboo: ^_^
[08:43] <swuboo> jblack:  A door lock slows someone down to the point that the effort exceeds the value; an armed guard increases the risk so that it exceeds the value.
[08:45] <jblack> Anyways, I disagree with you that 'there's no such thing as security against attackers *with* physical access'
[08:45] <swuboo> I understand your logic in disagreeing.
[08:46] <tarelerulz> It is the same concept as what  you said jblack.  making it hard enough that they would not want to do it
[08:47] <jblack> And in return, I'll agree that there's no such thing as absolute safety. ;)
[08:47] <swuboo> jblack:  Splendid.  I do believe we are on the same page.
[08:48] <swuboo> tarelrulz:  But, of course, putting a password on the BIOS is not likely to achieve that threshold.
[08:48] <tarelerulz> well, not for you
[08:49] <ttkeppi> tarelerulz: it's not THAT hard to find some bios password proggie.. or even remove the hard drive from computer..
[08:49] <tarelerulz> what is one thing you think that is keep Linux back from becoming more popular with the masses ?
[08:50] <swuboo> tarelerulz:  Momemtum.
[08:50] <ttkeppi> m$ is so popular, it's being sold with nearly every pc
[08:50] <tarelerulz> What do you mean swuboo?
[08:51] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  Password proggie seems unnecessary, unless the BIOS backs the password up onto the flash memory.  Do they do that, nowadays?
[08:51] <gregory> tarelerulz: killerappz?
[08:51] <tarelerulz> That is what I think gregory
[08:51] <tarelerulz> There is couple thing I wish I had for it
[08:51] <swuboo> tarelerulz:  The vast majority of people who use computers at all use Windows.  They don't want, or see a need, for change.
[08:51] <tarelerulz> very true
[08:51] <jblack> Yeah.  Hard drive passwords barely less so.
[08:52] <ttkeppi> swuboo: don't know that, but I doubt they don't
[08:52] <tarelerulz> I would love to see good im client with  alot of cool features
[08:52] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  No motherboard I've ever worked with has done that, but I'd be perfectly willing to believe the latest generation does that.
[08:52] <tarelerulz> Like I have all ways said text is not very cool.
[08:53] <tarelerulz> I have found about eveny thing else I wanted as far as killerappz.
[08:53] <ttkeppi> swuboo: but bios password protection doesn't protect the hdd, when it's removed, or does it?
[08:54] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  BIOS password protection doesn't protect the BIOS when the battery is removed.
[08:54] <ttkeppi> swuboo: lol
[08:55] <ttkeppi> it was more simple that i thought, again
[08:55] <tarelerulz> I don't knock stuff like Pidgin ,but if I could get a client for a big network that supported all it features.  Share files , voice , web  . I would be set . some network like yahoo where I could interact with the windows uses as same and they do with one other
[08:55] <DanaG> XMPP?
[08:55] <DanaG> With pidgin.
[08:56] <DanaG> You can run your own server.
[08:56] <DanaG> Unless that's not what you mean by "big network"
[08:56] <DanaG> Anyway, I'm going to bed now.
[08:56] <Fritzel> ok I'm having major instability problems with nvidia-glx-new nvidia driver, would the nvidia-glx driver completely cripple me with a 7900 GS?
[08:56] <tarelerulz> What can xmpp have for features
[08:57] <DanaG> Perhaps wikipedia can help; I don't personally know.
[08:57] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Doubt it.  I've only got a 6800, and the plain old 'nvidia' driver handles everything compiz throws at it.
[08:57] <DanaG> I've also heard that "kopete" can do some video and voice.
[08:57] <Fritzel> ok that's all I wanted to know thank you swuboo
[08:58] <tarelerulz> guess I just have not found the right network
[08:58] <tarelerulz> I have looked a lot
[08:58] <orvokki> swuboo: Might be slower though.
[08:58] <orvokki> But you shouldn't notice it outside games.
[08:58] <BHSPitMonkey> tarelerulz, I think your best bet is Skype, if I understand your situation correctly
[08:59] <swuboo> orvokki:  Indeed.  And I don't think there are that many games he's likely to be playing in Ubuntu that require the full fury of a 7900.
[08:59] <tarelerulz> I understood skype to be from one person to one person
[08:59] <orvokki> swuboo: Heh, how about Windows games through Wine? :)
[08:59] <DanaG> Skype + PulseAudio == pain.
[09:00] <DanaG> Wine == stuck keys.
[09:00] <DanaG> And no surround.
[09:00] <orvokki> PulseAudio == pain
[09:00] <swuboo> orvokki:  True, true.  Well, only one way for him to find out, I guess.
[09:00] <tarelerulz> That is great if you know some one who has it  and just want to talk to them.
[09:00] <DanaG> PulseAudio is cool if you have multiple devices and plan to use them at the same time.
[09:00] <orvokki> DanaG: So 99/100 desktop users probably would be happier without it.
[09:00] <DanaG> It just needs a better UI.
[09:00] <swuboo> orvokki:  Last Windows game I played heavily through wine was WoW---it crashed every time someone within about five hundred yards of my character cast Mind Flay.  I was a shadow priest.
[09:00] <DanaG> True, it makes no sense for most people, I think.
[09:01] <orvokki> swuboo: How long ago was this?
[09:01] <swuboo> orvokki:  Long enough ago that I played WoW.
[09:01] <DanaG> Months, or years?
[09:01] <orvokki> DanaG: Imo makes no sense for it to have been integrated to ubuntu-desktop. Then again, I said the same thing before Hardy about Compiz.
[09:01] <DanaG> and did you run it with -opengl?
[09:01] <swuboo> A few of each, DanaG.
[09:01] <swuboo> Yes.
[09:01] <DanaG> It may work better withouit.
[09:01] <DanaG> without.
[09:02] <orvokki> swuboo: Months is a huge gap in Wine development. Years is something inconceivable.
[09:02] <DanaG> It did on my nvidia when I tried it (with a friend's server emulator)
[09:02] <swuboo> Since I would sooner chew on rusty spoons and then gnaw my own hands off than play WoW again, it's largely a moot point.
[09:02] <orvokki> ;>
[09:03] <DanaG> Wine + Pulse == nope, doesn't work.
[09:03] <orvokki> Yet anyway.
[09:03] <DanaG> How can you try to (subliminally) get other people you know to stop spending so much time with WoW?
[09:03] <orvokki> Some Wine devs have thought it might be useful to get to work.
[09:03] <swuboo> DanaG:  Wine in OSS output + padsp + Pulse == Works.  At least for me.
[09:03] <orvokki> swuboo: ALSA has been the recommended audio output in Wine since I think 0.9.50.
[09:04] <swuboo> orvokki:  Sure, but that doesn't work with Pulse.
[09:04] <DanaG> I seem to remember wine OSS not working with padsp very well, either.
[09:04] <swuboo> orvokki:  If you're playing a fullscreen game, it probably doesn't matter---just kill pulse and use ALSA in Wine.
[09:04] <orvokki> Also Wine OSS development has mostly halted.
[09:05] <orvokki> Hmm. Does that work for all programs, btw?
[09:05] <DanaG> But I WANT to run it through pulse, if possible.
[09:05] <orvokki> That is, that I'd kill PulseAudio and run programs through ALSA:
[09:05] <DanaG> Oh, and it doesn't do surround even on my audigy's bare hardware device.
[09:05] <orvokki> s/:/./
[09:05] <orvokki> DanaG: Also at least on my Audigy 2 PulseAudio can do 16bit sound whereas ALSA can do 24bit.
[09:05] <swuboo> orvokki:  Sure, why not?  You don't HAVE to use Pulse.
[09:06] <DanaG> On my Audigy2, I can't get 24-bit.
[09:06] <orvokki> swuboo: I wasn't sure how exactly it worked.
[09:06] <DanaG> At least, not on surround51.
[09:06] <orvokki> Can I prevent it from starting at all?
[09:06] <swuboo> orvokki:  If you kill Pulse and go back to ALSA, it'll work like it did in Gutsy and earlier, really.
[09:06] <swuboo> orvokki:  You could uninstall the package, I guess.
[09:06] <orvokki> Hmm.
[09:06] <Lunks> I believe going back to Alsa is not entirely possible, from what I've seen here. :P
[09:07] <Lunks> But you can probably ignore me. ;)
[09:07] <swuboo> Lunks:  I doubt it's impossible; it might take some tweaks to asound.conf and a few switch up libraries, but I think everything you need is still in the official repositories.
[09:07] <orvokki> swuboo: I'd prefer to just disable the automatic startup, that way I can keep ubuntu-desktop meta package.
[09:07] <tarelerulz> any of you try empathy with voice chat with gtalk ?
[09:08] <swuboo> orvokki:  Mm, valid.
[09:08] <DanaG> Audigy2 24-bit?  Not the cardbus one.
[09:09] <DanaG> It refuses type S24_LE and FLOAT (32) _LE
[09:09] <swuboo> Still, I'm not unhappy with Pulseaudio.
[09:09] <DanaG> I like Pulse.
[09:09] <orvokki> DanaG: Well, it's not Audigy 2 plain, I just don't remember the ending.
[09:09] <swuboo> Now that I've spent hours reading wikis and forums to figure out how to get it to support legacy programs like oolite.
[09:09] <DanaG> "ZS"
[09:09] <hrlr> anyone have problems with the window title bar getting corrupted in compiz?
[09:09] <orvokki> Might have been.
[09:10]  * DanaG thinks "CA0109-1AG" is likely not a real Audigy2.
[09:10] <DanaG> Real Audigy2 is CA10K-somethin.
[09:10] <DanaG> g.
[09:10] <swuboo> Somewhere, I've got an Audigy.  Just a plain old Audigy.  No 2, no endings.  Came with Deus Ex!
[09:10] <DanaG> If I had a huge amount of money and a time machine, I'd do a couple of things:
[09:10] <DanaG> Pay 3dfx not to sell out to nvidia;
[09:10] <swuboo> In my mind, this usually gets rearranged to, "My copy of Deus Ex came with a sound card or something."
[09:11] <DanaG> Pay Aureal not to sell out to Creative.
[09:11] <orvokki> I've still got Soundblaster AWE32 somewhere. I remember it had awesome support in Linux. :)
[09:11] <DanaG> Nowadays, Creative is scum, in my opinion.
[09:11] <orvokki> DanaG: Why not buy both yourself?
[09:11] <DanaG> I'm an engineer, not a businessman.
[09:12] <DanaG> Creative: Deliberately removing existing, ADVERTI{Z,S}ED features from drivers, to make people buy new hardware.
[09:12] <DanaG> And then lying about it.
[09:12] <ethana2> They wouldn't be able to do that
[09:12] <ethana2> with all the source out in the open
[09:12] <ethana2> what they did is /exactly/ why we need the gpl
[09:13] <DanaG> That's another thing I'd do: make sure GPL was around then.
[09:13] <swuboo> There are better things to do with money and time machines.  For example, bribing famous historic figures to grow ridiculous mustaches, hopefully affecting the history of facial hair fashions.  Afterwards, I'd come back to the present and just spend the rest of my life happily snickering at everyone.
[09:13] <orvokki> If it's not, make it.
[09:13] <DanaG> Then figure out a way to let Aureal open-source stuff -- if they were going to die anyway, that'd be better.
[09:14] <ethana2> buy all the IP, take the full hit
[09:14] <DanaG> Yeah.  Then bring it with me to present times.
[09:14] <ethana2> Yarr, it bugs me how I can't tell what memory firefox is using for what
[09:15] <ethana2> it's not OS cache, but it's application cache.. I wish I could see what was used for code, and what was used for caching web pages and the like....
[09:15] <DanaG> Anyway, bedtime now for real.
[09:15] <swuboo> Night.
[09:15] <ethana2> DanaG: 'night
[09:15] <DanaG> Thu Apr 17 01:15:56 PDT 2008
[09:16] <ethana2> One week 'till Hardy
[09:16] <ethana2> I hope the PS3 port folks have their issues figured out by then
[09:16] <ethana2> if the ps3 release came at the same time as the ppc and x86 releases, that would rock
[09:17] <ethana2> I have a friend whose whole family uses macs
[09:17] <ethana2> the PS3 is how Ubuntu will get into their house first.
[09:18] <swuboo> ethana2:  I set one of my technophobic housemates up with Ubuntu a few years ago; worked perfectly for him.  One of his other nerd friends came over, decided Linux was too advanced for him, and put 98SE back.  I was quite aggravated.
[09:18] <ethana2> Windows and OSX won't touch Ubuntu on the PS3.
[09:18] <ethana2> ever.
[09:18] <topyli> swuboo: perhaps someone should ask *him* too :)
[09:19] <swuboo> topyli:  Heh, I live with the man, it's not like I snuck into his room and replaced his OS.
[09:20] <swuboo> topyli:  The other guy, though; "Okay, I replaced the broken printer.  While I was in there, I put Windows back.  Linux is too complicated for you."
[09:20] <ttkeppi> topyli: imho ubuntu is much more easy to learn at basic level to use than windblows products..
[09:20] <topyli> swuboo: i know, it's just the way you said the above. you think it "worked perfectly for him", while this friend decided it's "too advanced for him" :)
[09:21] <swuboo> topyli:  Ah, makes sense.  No, I based my assessment on his stated estimations.
[09:21] <hrlr> anyone have problems with the window title bar getting corrupted in compiz?  If so, there's now an easy workaround.  w00t!
[09:21] <ethana2> I'm going to start my grandma on Ubuntu
[09:22] <ethana2> She avoids computers like the plague now
[09:22] <topyli> ttkeppi: i know. i got a laptop from work around the time dapper was in beta and installed. i didn't need the machine so i gave it to my wife
[09:22] <ethana2> with windows, i don't blame her at all
[09:22] <topyli> ttkeppi: i said "unfortunately no windows on this machine". she looked around the menus and said ok, this is fine
[09:22] <topyli> ttkeppi: still happy with it
[09:22] <ethana2> I moved my whole family from windows to Ubuntu Hardy
[09:23] <ethana2> 3 machines, two seats
[09:23] <swuboo> topyli:  The precise sequence of events was, my housemate's 98 install gets fubared.  He doesn't have a Windows CD anymore.  I offer to replace it with Ubuntu, he agrees.  I set up all his odd legacy apps in wine, everything works.  He proclaims the results satisfactory.
[09:23] <ttkeppi> so far I have converted 4 lost souls to ubuntu.. no complains yet. and two more lost souls coming when hardy's final is out
[09:23] <ethana2> they got used to it
[09:23] <topyli> the problem when dapper was still in beta was she asked me why there are so many updates each morning
[09:23] <topyli> so i told him it would get better once the system is actually released
[09:23] <topyli> "you gave me a system that doesn't even exist?"
[09:23] <ethana2> Grassroots FTW
[09:24] <topyli> swuboo: iirc win98se lasts about six months without reinstalling. you'll but ubuntu back then :)
[09:25] <swuboo> topyli:  No... that was about a year and a half ago.  While that 98SE install crufts, and crufts, and crufts.
[09:25] <topyli> oh the reinstall is way overdue
[09:26] <swuboo> topyli:  Until and unless it actually just plain gives out---not gonna happen.
[09:26] <topyli> soon he'll be like "i need a new machine, this is slow" all over again
[09:26] <swuboo> topyli:  No, no I don't think so.
[09:27] <swuboo> topyli:  His last 98SE install lasted him around four years.  And he didn't say, "this is slow, I need a new one."  He said, "The screen stays black and it beeps like crazy."
[09:28] <topyli> heh. a good time to do something
[09:28] <swuboo> That's what I figured.
[09:28] <ttkeppi> swuboo: four years win98se working??? that has got to be somekind of a record
[09:28] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  Working is a relative term.
[09:29] <ttkeppi> once a year is a good phase to reinstall, even winxp
[09:29] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  My first year of university, my XP box got to an uptime of 188 days.
[09:30] <swuboo> ttkeppi:  Achieved, of course, at the cost of never, ever patching anything for any reason.
[09:30] <ttkeppi> swuboo: that is quite awesome record.. I think I've had something around 2weeks
[09:30] <orvokki> swuboo: Hmm, sounds like a nice trojan experiment.
[09:30] <topyli> vista helps a lot. i have two windows users waiting for the hardy release. the one with vista is completely fed up and keeps asking "is your new linux thing out yet?" while the one with win2k is just "interested in trying"
[09:31] <orvokki> Btw, my bro had his Windows 2000 running for several years non-stop.
[09:31] <topyli> meh, win2k works great
[09:31] <ttkeppi> topyli: indeed, vista is a gods sent for lost souls
[09:31] <swuboo> topyli:  I didn't realize how bad Vista was until one of my friends needed to print out his W2.
[09:31] <swuboo> He didn't have a printer, so he wanted to email it to me---Vista wouldn't let him save it.
[09:32] <topyli> heh
[09:32] <swuboo> Point blank refused:  "This PDF contains sensitive or copyrighted material, and will not be saved to the hard drive."
[09:32] <ethana2> psshh, copyright
[09:32] <ethana2> I honor it but I despise and avoid it
[09:32] <swuboo> So he had to give me his SSN, DOB, and Mother's Maiden Name.  Security so good, it's counterproductive.
[09:33] <ethana2> Hahaha this is awesome
[09:33] <ethana2> all the Vista users waiting anxiously for the final release of Hardy
[09:34] <swuboo> orvokki:  As for trojan experiments, back in the old days when KaZaA and Morpheus were de rigeur, I used to play a game where I'd try to download and run as many trojans as I could in twenty minutes.
[09:34] <swuboo> orvokki:  The secret was to use popular but contradictory search criteria:  "Warcraft 3 Nude!"  "Britney Spears No-CD Crack!"
[09:34] <ttkeppi> well m$ has kind of admitted that vista has been fubar just like winme, since the new win7 could be out next year..
[09:37] <zappy> hello
[09:37] <ethana2> hello, zappy
[09:37] <zappy> when ubuntu will be released?
[09:38] <_ruben> ubuntu has been released years ago
[09:38] <zappy> uhm?
[09:38] <zappy> no...the new release...8.04
[09:39] <ttkeppi> 24th
[09:39] <zappy> on this month?
[09:39] <ttkeppi> yes.. hence the name, 8.04
[09:40] <zappy> wow...ok...can u suggest me some valid site where can i see some screenshots?
[09:40] <ttkeppi> www.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <zappy> ok let's check it out
[09:41] <zappy> ty a lots
[09:41] <ttkeppi> np
[09:44] <ttkeppi> ...how much trouble can it be to use google?
[09:44] <topyli> http://i27.tinypic.com/51pzib.png
[09:44] <topyli> oh he's gone
[09:44] <topyli> was going to scare him with mine
[09:45] <topyli> "but it has no user interface at all!"
[09:45] <ethana2> topyli: lol
[09:45] <ttkeppi> topyli: what on earth happened there :D
[09:45] <swuboo> topyli:  Hey, there's a heron in that picture!
[09:45] <ethana2> it moved
[09:46] <topyli> ttkeppi: i've removed the unnecessary stuff over the years :)
[09:46] <ethana2> last time it was over towards the right
[09:46] <swuboo> topyli:  I didn't even really look at the wallpaper before I put my old one back.  I assumed it was some sort of flaming vase or something.
[09:46] <ttkeppi> topyli: I see :)
[09:47] <topyli> ethana2: now that you mention it, it might indeed have moved a bit towards the center
[09:47] <ethana2> and the circles coming out from it
[09:47] <ethana2> kinda cool, I guess
[09:48] <swuboo> ethana2:  It doesn't really seem particularly *hardy*, though.  More like disintegrating.
[09:48] <topyli> hardiness is in the inside! :)
[09:49] <Fritzel> what is the name of gnome's window decorater
[09:49] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Metacity?
[09:49] <topyli> Fritzel: metacity. ubuntu replaces it with compiz when your machine can run it
[09:49] <Fritzel> yes compiz is refusing to show decorations
[09:49] <ethana2> the compiz /decorator/ is emerald, is it not?
[09:49] <topyli> well it's a bit more than a decorator though :)
[09:49] <Fritzel> yes I'm trying to get away from emerald if I can
[09:50] <ethana2> I just use the regular decorator with compiz
[09:50] <ethana2> ...I think
[09:50] <topyli> ethana2: sometimes. on ubuntu it's gtk-window-decorator by default, which reuses metacity decorations
[09:50] <ethana2> topyli: that's probably it, yeah
[09:50] <Fritzel> ahh yep metacity is what I was looking for, this system is soo screwed up
[09:50] <topyli> emerald is rather pointless IMO
[09:51] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Compiz won't work with Metacity; but if you don't want emerald, it will work with gtk-window-decorator.
[09:51] <Fritzel> or so it says
[09:51] <Fritzel> gtk-window-decorator started, I still don't have decorations
[09:51] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Ah.  That sounds familiar.
[09:52] <Fritzel> well if emerald is my only option, I suppose I can go that way
[09:52] <swuboo> Fritzel:  Hold on a sec.
[09:52] <Fritzel> alright
[09:52] <swuboo> You're using an nvidia card, right?
[09:52] <ethana2> sometimes i just pull a killall on emerald...
[09:52] <swuboo> 7900GS, isn't it?
[09:53] <Fritzel> oh so you know I'm running the 96.xx driver (I'm trying to battle stability problems
[09:53] <Fritzel> yes
[09:53] <Fritzel> correct
[09:53] <swuboo> Try adding, if you haven't already, "Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"" to the Screen section of xorg.conf
[09:53] <Fritzel> alright
[09:53] <swuboo> Then restart X.  If that doesn't fix it, then go for emerald.
[09:53] <Fritzel> everything except the first and last quote correct?
[09:54] <swuboo> Yes.  The format will become clear inside the file; they're all formatted in a similar way.
[09:54] <Fritzel> -nod- I'm familiar with it, I just want to be certain, bad habit of mine, always confirming
[09:54] <Fritzel> alright brb
[09:54] <swuboo> Yup.  Good luck.
[09:56] <Fritzel> swuboo: ok yeah that did it, sorry for the newbie question I appreciate the help though ^^
[09:56] <Fritzel> now, hopefully, X is stable now that I'm on this driver
[09:56] <swuboo> Fritzel:  I'm pretty much a newbie too.  I can usually only be of much help with problems I've had myself.
[09:56] <swuboo> ...that being one of them.
[09:56] <Fritzel> -nod- well it's appreciated
[09:57] <swuboo> Glad to have been of help.
[09:57] <ttkeppi> any idea, what would work with via p4m900 integrated? that's via chrome9 ...openchrome drivers didn't do the trick.. and no restricted drivers seem to be available
[09:58] <Fritzel> I really really hope nvidia fixes that smp bug ><
[09:58] <mysticdarkhack> hey all again
[09:59] <mysticdarkhack> Is there a way to resize to loading slash screen during bootup?
[10:00] <Fritzel> ok one more quick question and I'm gone,  for some reason realplayer does not have images on it's buttons
[10:01] <topyli> mysticdarkhack: you enabled the framebuffer and the usplash is tiny? i'm in the same boat
[10:01] <ttkeppi> mysticdarkhack: StartUp-Manager
[10:01] <Fritzel> does anyone have any clue what that's about?
[10:01] <swuboo> Fritzel:  I do not, I'm afraid.
[10:01] <topyli> real player is still around?
how if I may ask?
[10:02] <topyli> mysticdarkhack: no idea
[10:02] <topyli> just sayin' :)
where is startup-manager and it isn't install?
[10:04] <swuboo> mysticdarkhack:  Synaptic, and it's not installed by default.
i see
are you sure that the startup-manager will solve the big bootup load screen?
[10:06] <ttkeppi> mysticdarkhack: you can change the boot image and the splash screen with it.. also the resolution of the image
[10:06] <ttkeppi> mysticdarkhack: don't know if it will solve it, but it's a good try
tnanks and I'll give it a try