[01:32] <daskreech> hi Hobbsee
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:52] <nixternal> howdy Hobbsee
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:53] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee, nixternal
[03:53] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[03:53] <Jucato> sushi :)
[03:54] <nixternal> mmm sushi
[03:54] <Jucato> yeah...
[03:54] <nixternal> have you ever checked out tastymenu?
[03:54] <Jucato> about 2 months ago yeah
[03:54] <nixternal> pretty nice
[03:54] <nixternal> I like it better than kickstart/kde4 menu
[03:55] <Jucato> I forgot to make a review of the 3 menu replacements + k menu
[03:55] <Jucato> kickoff :)
[03:55] <nixternal> ya
[03:55] <Jucato> or did they rename it?
[03:55] <nixternal> I knew it was something with kick in it
[03:55] <jjesse> hello
[03:55] <nixternal> kickoff
[03:55] <Jucato> jjjjjjesse!!!
[03:55] <nixternal> kickstart is the stuff ubuntu created for udev right?
[03:55] <nixternal> wasabi jjesse
[03:55] <Jucato> !upstart | nixternal
[03:55] <ubotu> nixternal: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[03:55] <Jucato> that one?
[03:55] <jjesse> on my nokia while wife is watching tv
[03:55] <nixternal> ahh, that's it
[03:55] <Jucato> jjesse: n800?
[03:56] <nixternal> why did I say udev?
[03:56] <Jucato> (duh n810 isn't out yet...)
[03:56] <nixternal> I meant init
[03:56] <Jucato> :)
[03:56] <CPrgmSwR2> Is their a kubuntu hardy cd-rom out that has just kde4?
[03:56] <nixternal> nope
[03:56] <Jucato> nada
[03:56] <nixternal> won't be either, only a gutsy one per openweek
[03:56] <CPrgmSwR2> or can you upgrade to kubuntu hardy and put only kde4 on it
[03:56] <CPrgmSwR2> oh cool
[03:57] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: I use gutsy as my base for kde4, and no kde3 at all :)
[03:57] <jjesse> Jucato: yes n800
[03:57]  * Jucato had to install qt3 though.. forgot why
[03:57] <CPrgmSwR2> konversation won't work without it
[03:57] <Jucato> well I haven't gotten around to compiling any kde3 app :)
[03:58] <CPrgmSwR2> So you setup a kde4 only box with gutsy?
[03:58] <Jucato> what I mean is that it was pulled as a dependency for something
[03:58] <Jucato> oh yeah, it was pulled for libpoppler-qt4-dev... weird..
[03:58] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: yep. on my lappy
[03:58] <Jucato> jjesse: coolness :)
[03:59] <CPrgmSwR2> How did you pull in kde4 only though and where did you pull it in from?
[03:59] <Jucato> how are you connected to IRC? native n800, ssh to desktop or remote desktop/vnc/nx?
[03:59] <Jucato> jjesse: ^^^^
[03:59] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: svn of course :)
[03:59]  * jjesse wonders if kde works on the n800
[03:59] <Jucato> jjesse: yes!
[03:59] <CPrgmSwR2> ah!, where you able to update QCA to compile kdenetwork?
[03:59] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: that I haven't tried :)
[04:00] <CPrgmSwR2> Someone needs to fix that package
[04:00] <Jucato> jjesse: although I heard from a reliable source that the input method isn't really that polished yet
[04:00] <jjesse> Jucato: it does?
[04:00] <jjesse> Hmm
[04:00] <daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: read Digg
[04:00] <Jucato> jjesse: yes it does. unfortunately the input methods are really built around Hildon.. so...
[04:00] <Jucato> jjesse: let me get you links :)
[04:00] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[04:00] <CPrgmSwR2> daskreech top story or search for kde4?
[04:00] <Jucato> jjesse: even n770 afaik
[04:01] <Jucato> jjesse: http://dot.kde.org/1190138021/
[04:02] <daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: the linux section
[04:02] <daskreech> about 1/3 of the articles are kde4 recently
[04:02] <daskreech> the comments show great interest
[04:03] <daskreech> both from Windows and Gnome users
[04:03] <jjesse> Cool thk have to try ut out
[04:03] <CPrgmSwR2> oh cool
[04:03] <Jucato> jjesse: lemme know what you experience :)
[04:03] <jjesse> Will do
[04:04] <Jucato> jjesse: I have yet to see someone install Qtopia on it though...
[04:04] <Jucato> jjesse: I'm planning to get me an N810 early next year
[04:04] <daskreech> hi hunger_t_
[04:04] <Jucato> (will probably do the kde too.. if I have a big enough card)
[04:05] <CPrgmSwR2> daskreech do you have the ability to update packages for kubuntu/ubuntu?
[04:05] <daskreech> Nope
[04:05] <CPrgmSwR2> who does?
[04:07] <somerville32> Anyone does. You just need a sponsor if you don't have upload rights.
[04:08] <CPrgmSwR2> somerville32 I am tring to find someone who will update QCA so that kdenetwork will build
[04:08] <Jucato> he's looking for someone who will actually package it, not someone who'll upload his package :)
[04:09] <CPrgmSwR2> As I understand its going to have to be done in order for the kde4 cd to be released
[04:09] <CPrgmSwR2> or kopete will be mising
[04:09] <CPrgmSwR2> that would suck
[04:09] <daskreech> It would
[04:09] <daskreech> I'm using Kopete4 now and it's not that bad
[04:10] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: then update qca, or update it in debian
[04:10] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: is this qca or qca2, btw?
[04:10] <CPrgmSwR2> I am not sure exactly
[04:10] <Hobbsee> what's the latest version of qca that htey want?
[04:10] <CPrgmSwR2> I just tried to build kdenetwork from svn
[04:10] <CPrgmSwR2> 1.9
[04:10] <CPrgmSwR2> and ubuntu has 1.8
[04:10]  * Jucato is mildy annoyed...
[04:10] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: use qca2 in ubuntu
[04:11] <Jucato> mental note: don't lend mice to addict gamerz...
[04:11] <CPrgmSwR2> is qca2 not installed by default?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: correct
[04:11] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~% madison libqca2                                 3:11PM
[04:11] <Hobbsee>    libqca2 | 2.0.0~beta7-1ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages
[04:11] <Hobbsee>    libqca2 | 2.0.0~beta7-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[04:11] <Hobbsee>       qca2 |    2.0.0-3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au hardy/universe Sources
[04:11] <Hobbsee>       qca2 |    2.0.0-3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources
[04:12] <CPrgmSwR2> oh that sucks
[04:12] <Hobbsee> why?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> we dont distribute kde4 stuff by default anyway?
[04:12] <CPrgmSwR2> I complained about it a couple days ago and even someone from #kde4-devel said I need to have ubuntu update their packages
[04:13] <jjesse> Aren't we for hardy??
[04:13] <CPrgmSwR2> btw there is a -dev part to it right
[04:13] <Jucato> jjesse: that's the plan... kde4 edu.. but I have doubts.. regarding CD space
[04:13] <Hobbsee> well, they clearly arent aware that we have qca and qca2, as the old qca is needed to run kde3 versions
[04:13] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: you might want to point that out to your #kde4-devel friends
[04:13] <Jucato> :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> jjesse: this is gutsy being discussed, i thought
[04:14] <jjesse> But how will that work with the spec?
[04:14] <Jucato> jjesse: beats me :)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> jjesse: we're not doing kde4 by default for hardy, as per the spec/
[04:14] <jjesse> I thought we were doing jde4 gutsy cds
[04:14] <CPrgmSwR2> what about kde4 hardy cds?>
[04:14] <jjesse> Doh kde
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: kde4 wont get shoved in main yet anyway, i expect
[04:15] <Hobbsee> i expect they'll build the cds without it
[04:15] <Hobbsee> as in, with them being in universe
[04:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: not kde4 by default, but kde4 edu apps, as per fosscamp... I think...
[04:15] <Jucato> :/
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah - i havent seen the spec since sevilla
[04:15]  * Jucato is now confused over what's official and what's "promises"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:16] <jjesse> The spec has been approved
[04:16] <Hobbsee> election day coming to you too, is it?
[04:16] <Jucato> who? me?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: right, so those will presumably be in hardy, so it'll have to be on the cds for then
[04:16] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee: I would highly advice making a kde4 hardy cd and a kde3 hardy cd... and push the kde3 hardy cd
[04:16] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nah. just finished last year
[04:16] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: that's the plan.  or a kde4 gutsy cd
[04:16] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: as per the spec
[04:16] <Hobbsee> but that's not now, anyway
[04:17] <CPrgmSwR2> if I download/install a kde4 gutsy cd, can I upgrade to hardy without losing kde4?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: we don't support it.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: this is the idea of an unsupported cd.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> so, it may break, it may not.
[04:18] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee I think it should be made easy for users to install kubuntu with kde4 as the default desktop environment, because mainly installing it from universe is not all that easy
[04:19] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: feel free to help do that
[04:19] <Hobbsee> but we're focussing on other stuff until the final release, i susepct.
[04:19] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: here's what's been decided so far: 1. Hardy will not ship with KDE 4 by default. 2. We might (or will) release KDE 4 Live CD's based on Gutsy when KDE 4 comes out. 3. There will be KDE4 apps on Hardy, KDE Edu
[04:19] <daskreech> a unsupported kde4 hardy and gutsy Cd ?
[04:19] <jjesse> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyKde4
[04:19] <Hobbsee> daskreech: one or the other.
[04:19] <jjesse> Both
[04:19] <daskreech> Hobbsee: one or the other?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh, both?  neat.
[04:19] <daskreech> that makes no sense
[04:19] <Jucato> why?
[04:19] <jjesse> Kde4 comes out during gutsy
[04:20] <daskreech> Right
[04:20] <jjesse> A
[04:20] <daskreech> and if we release a gutsy Cd then we can't have a hardy one?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> daskreech: spec's been updated since i last saw it.  i thought i was subscribed.
[04:20] <daskreech> Anyway I just want to have a ppa build every week for kde4 trunk
[04:20] <jjesse> At uds Riddell talked about borh
[04:20] <daskreech> much like the Vm that's out now
[04:20] <Hobbsee> daskreech: please do it.  although that'll dos PPA a bit.
[04:21] <CPrgmSwR2> daskreech why not just make use of svn
[04:21] <Hobbsee> jjesse: neat, OK
[04:21] <daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: Some people can keep up with svn some cant
[04:21] <nixternal> ScottK: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/playground/pim/pinentry-qt4
[04:21] <nixternal> :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ROCK ON!
[04:21] <daskreech> the idea is to make kubuntu the developers ground for the 4.0-> 4.1 trek
[04:21] <nixternal> that wasn't me...it was someone else...been there for a while :)
[04:21] <CPrgmSwR2> The most agrevating thing about kde4 is that its not going to be really adopted until kde 4.l
[04:22] <jjesse> Sorry slow typing on nokia
[04:22] <daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: right but by then Ibex should be shipping
[04:22] <nixternal> I was sitting here doing the port and did a 'locate' for something, and I noticed it sitting in playground
[04:22] <daskreech> jjesse: :)
[04:22] <CPrgmSwR2> ibex?
[04:22] <CPrgmSwR2> what is Ibex?
[04:23]  * Hobbsee would suggest google for that
[04:23] <daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: hardy=1
[04:23] <daskreech> hardy+1
[04:24] <daskreech> incontinent ibex
[04:24] <jjesse> Has that been named?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> no
[04:24] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[04:25] <CPrgmSwR2> I found ibex clothing
[04:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: if it had, there would be an announcement about it
[04:25] <CPrgmSwR2> google is not being very helpful for ibex
[04:25] <jjesse> Figured
[04:25] <daskreech> and I hope it won't be incontinent :)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: please look at getting the hardy versoin of qca2 backported.
[04:26] <CPrgmSwR2> I am right now in gentoo, becaues I didn't find a fix earlier
[04:27] <CPrgmSwR2> I am not all that knowledgable about install custom packages for ubuntu
[04:29] <CPrgmSwR2> wtf gentoo has qca-1.0
[04:29] <Jucato> grrr!!! now I'm more than mildly annoyed...
[04:30] <Hobbsee> oh good, even debian went to qca and qca2
[04:30] <daskreech> Jucato: mouse?
[04:31] <Jucato> daskreech: yeah
[04:31] <CPrgmSwR2> brb
[04:31]  * Jucato switches mice again
[04:32] <nixternal> Hobbsee: had to go qca and qca2, there are kde3 apps that require qca and and qca2 is not backwards compatible
[04:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: 'xactly
[04:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fo ra while, it appeared that they were going to forsake all kde3 apps
[04:32] <Hobbsee> who needs psi, etc, anyway?
[04:33] <nixternal> ahh
[04:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the sync requests got shoved to me for approval, this is how i know ;)
[04:33] <nixternal> I thought the first time I packaged qca2 I grabbed it from Debian
[04:33] <nixternal> can't remember though
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, likely
[04:33] <Hobbsee> i think we grabbed the source and renamed it
[04:33] <nixternal> yay, I blasted my audio in kde4 and can't remember how to set it back up :)
[04:33] <Jucato> right...  I heard something about a cyclone heading your way
[04:34] <Jucato> well my fault for lending him a logitech mouse...
[04:34] <Jucato> nixternal: still heading I think.. hasn't reached our area yet
[04:34] <nixternal> you are north of where it is to land?
[04:34] <Jucato> the funny thing is.. now that it's heading this way, the sun is actually shining and it's quite hot...
[04:34] <nixternal> I didn't pay close attention, except that they were telling people to leave the low lying areas
[04:35] <Jucato> north and a bit west
[04:37]  * jjesse beds
[04:43] <daskreech> Jucato: so you llent him your pet and must kill him?
[04:43] <Jucato> I lent him my pet (or toy, since mice are cats' toys) and he all but killed it
[04:44] <daskreech> Oh
[04:44] <daskreech> that's not nice
[04:44] <Jucato> I'm so going to tell his mom
[04:44] <Jucato> but after tonight, coz I need something from him tonight :D
[04:45] <daskreech> a man of principles :)
[04:45] <daskreech> yuriy, nixternal: kde4-krush day :) you in?
[04:46]  * Jucato wasn't asked...
[04:47]  * Hobbsee voluntells Jucato to go help with the crush day
[04:47] <daskreech> Jucato: I don't think you were there when i was egging them on :)
[04:47] <daskreech> Jucato: you in?
[04:47] <daskreech> somethign to do during the storm?
[04:47] <Jucato> been there for the past 4 hours... no activity though...
[04:47] <Jucato> but I'll have to be out because oflunch :)
[04:47] <Jucato> of lunch
[04:48] <nixternal> daskreech: I am always there :)
[04:48] <Jucato> daskreech: but you aren't :)
[04:48] <Jucato> oh well. lunch
[04:49] <Jucato> and something for you to chew on :) http://www.linux.com/feature/121930
[04:49] <daskreech> I know that's why I get as many others as I can :)
[04:49] <Jucato> http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/ecma-tc45-statement.html
[04:49] <daskreech> I try and confirm bugs after
[04:49] <Jucato> after they're fixed? O.o
[04:49] <daskreech> after the Krushday
[04:49] <Jucato> heh
[04:49] <Jucato> ok gone :)
[04:50] <daskreech> most of the bugs remain unfixed you may notice
[04:50] <daskreech> if they are fixed then a few are left open on the wiki
[04:50] <daskreech> We may need a new page soon for the old bugs to Klean up the page
[04:53] <nixternal> I found an annoying bug in Konqueror
[04:53] <nixternal> open up konqueror and type the letter p in the url bar, see if it crashes on you
[04:53] <nixternal> ahh, it isn't doing it now...fixed!
[04:53] <nixternal> hehe
[04:54] <daskreech> I think ^M tops that
[05:07] <DaSkreech_> Well I just broke Kde4 somehow
[05:07] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: don't mind krashing Konqueror?
[05:09] <nixternal> heh, you just made it crash by saying it
[05:12] <DaSkreech_> \o/
[05:13] <DaSkreech_> well go to a page and press ctrl+f to search for something
[05:16] <DaSkreech_> Does it work?
[05:19] <nixternal> yes it does work
[05:19] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: ok
[05:20] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: press ctrl+M to hide the menu and try search again
[05:20] <nixternal> now tell me how to get that damn menu back :)
[05:20] <nixternal> no it doesn't work
[05:21] <nixternal> heh, you gotta right click in the window and tell it to show the Menubar, which has the shortcut ctrl+M, but obviously that doesnt' work
[05:21] <DaSkreech_> I'm thinking that Ctrl+M disables any Ctrl shortcuts
[05:21] <DaSkreech_> Which includes of course ^M
[05:22] <DaSkreech_> I was trying that out when I guess plasma burped and everythign went down
[05:22] <DaSkreech_>  then I couldn't log back in :(
[05:23] <DaSkreech_> But that there is a good bug
[05:23] <DaSkreech_> It's not just konqueror either I think any app that allows ^M exhibits that behaviour
[05:26] <DaSkreech_> nixternal: oh second thing. can you alt+shift+tab ?
[05:28] <nixternal> well, I can do it, but all it does is cause me not to be able to use my damn keyboard
[05:28] <nixternal> konsole refresh sucks btw
[05:36] <CPrgmSwR2> alt+shift+tab doesn't work for me
[05:37] <nixternal> what is it supposed to do?
[05:37] <nixternal> all it did for me is totally kill my keyboard
[05:37] <CPrgmSwR2> its suppose to allow you to select the previous window
[05:37] <CPrgmSwR2> alt+tab lets you go forward
[05:37] <nixternal> also check and make sure that KDED Global Shortcuts is running, which I am guessing it isn't for either of you
[05:37] <CPrgmSwR2> and alt+shift+tab lets you go back
[05:38] <CPrgmSwR2> alt+tab works
[05:38] <CPrgmSwR2> I can switch through windows foward only is the issue
[06:00] <DaSkreech_> Interesting that both Linus and Stallman seem to be behind KDE
[06:02]  * Hobbsee ponders installing kde4
[06:02] <DaSkreech_> No need
[06:02] <DaSkreech_>  just wait for gnome 3
[06:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:06] <DaSkreech_> I wonder if it would take longer than vista
[06:07] <nixternal> Stallman isn't behind any DE
[06:07] <nixternal> he doesn't use a DE, but when he does, he uses Gnome
[06:07] <nixternal> he uses Ututo
[06:08] <DaSkreech_> Yeah but he asked Gnome to come out with a statement like KDE
[06:08] <DaSkreech_> well according to the article
[06:08] <DaSkreech_>  Let me see if they have a quote
[06:12] <nixternal> ya, because Gnome is GNU, of course he is going to tell them to come out with a similar statement
[06:13]  * Hobbsee downloads
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> \o/
[06:16] <DaSkreech_> so doing kde4 krush tomorrow Hobbsee?
[06:17] <nixternal> DaSkreech_: today!!!
[06:17] <nixternal> it is saturday here in chicago :)
[06:17] <DaSkreech_> damn
[06:17] <DaSkreech_> that is true
[06:17] <DaSkreech_> Hi Jucato
[06:17] <nixternal> and it is definitely saturday in Hobbseeland
[06:17] <DaSkreech_> interesting release
[06:17] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech_: wasnt planning on it
[06:17] <Jucato> hey
[06:17]  * Jucato is going to hit the sack
[06:17] <DaSkreech_> Me too
[06:17] <Jucato> what release?
[06:17] <nixternal> whoa
[06:17] <DaSkreech_> the gnome one
[06:18] <nixternal> Jucato: sleep already? you feel ok? :)
[06:18] <Jucato> nixternal: I only slept from 5am to 8am :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech_> that doesn't really speak out against OOXML but kinda does for ODF but really does for Gnome
[06:18] <Jucato> ah the one I posted earlier?
[06:18] <DaSkreech_> Yes
[06:18] <Jucato> amazing, right? :)
[06:19]  * Jucato wouldn't want to be in GNOME's shoes right now...
[06:20] <DaSkreech_> they have big feet to put in it don'
[06:20] <DaSkreech_> t worry abotu them
[06:20] <nixternal> they have jdub man, all will be well on their front...actually, I am willing to bet that would bring more people to Gnome...why? because people will see that as cooperation and collaboration, and if people get a warm and fuzzy about better .doc and .xls support, then many will be happy
[06:21]  * Jucato is definitely not :)
[06:21] <Jucato> or maybe it's just my sleeplessness talking
[06:21] <DaSkreech_> it's .docx and xls..x ... I think
[06:21] <Jucato> but I feel all warm and fuzzy that RMS acknowledged KDE's stance :)
[06:22] <DaSkreech_> Yeah i was just talking about that
[06:22] <DaSkreech_> It's RMS though. Once you stand on his side he'll point at you
[06:22] <Jucato> coming from the man who said KDE should apologize (over the whole licensing issue), that's a big +1 from him :)
[06:22] <DaSkreech_> Though if you aren't on his side he'll point at you as well ... just with a glare
[06:23] <Jucato> the glare! the glaaare!
[06:23] <DaSkreech_> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html
[06:24] <DaSkreech_> RMS is awesome when he's in full swing
[06:25] <Jucato> anyway, time for that sleep :)
[06:27]  * DaSkreech_ races Jucato to bed
[06:27] <DaSkreech_> Night all!
[06:28] <nixternal> obviously you have been to an RMS talk...for the first 10 minutes he stands up front with his arms out, then scratches his crotch, then smiles, and then to end it, breaks out into a song that will make your ears bleed
[06:28] <nixternal> s/have/haven't
[06:29] <nixternal> everyone I have gone to have almost been just like that
[06:29] <nixternal> daskreach talking about RMS, and then is using chatzilla...jeesh
[06:29] <nixternal> :p
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hm, xephr is borken.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~% Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm            5:29PM
[06:31] <Hobbsee> [1] 13433
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Xephyr cannot open host display. Is DISPLAY set?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> [1]  + exit 1     Xephyr :1
[06:31] <Hobbsee> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1
[06:31]  * Hobbsee wonders why
[06:40] <nixternal> export DISPLAY=:1
[06:40] <nixternal> err, she left
[06:55] <Hobbsee> right.
[06:55] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:55] <nixternal> didn't work for you?
[06:56] <Hobbsee> no, it's working
[06:56] <nixternal> did you build from svn or are you using rc1 from the repos?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> rc1 from repos
[06:59] <nixternal> I haven't had a chance to run the repos yet
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it's certainly interesting
[07:01] <Hobbsee> chuggier than i was expecting
[07:01] <nixternal> right now it still is
[07:02] <nixternal> I have been using it full time for almost a month now
[07:05] <Jucato> chugga chugga chugga choo choo!
[07:06] <nixternal> I thought you went to sleep?
[07:06] <Jucato> I thought so too...
[07:06] <Jucato> but I couldn't!
[07:06] <Jucato> :(
[07:06] <nixternal> hehe, what is it there? like 2pm?
[07:07] <Jucato> 3pm
[07:07] <nixternal> hrmm, my clock says 02:00
[07:07] <stdin> good morning :)
[07:07] <Jucato> moin stdin
[07:07] <nixternal> mornin'
[07:07] <stdin> qca2_2.0.0 >> myppa :)
[07:07] <nixternal>                                                                        Palinthe~
[07:08] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:08] <nixternal> dunno what I just did
[07:08] <Jucato> I was about to ask you :)
[07:09] <nixternal> I looked away for a second at my other system and turned back and seen that
[07:09] <Jucato> scary :)
[07:12] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[07:12]  * Jucato chooses to ignore sleep
[07:12] <Hobbsee> note to self:  don't even attempt to lock the screen
[07:14] <Jucato> :)
[07:22] <nixternal> hehe, locking works here just fine
[07:22] <nixternal> even when I close my lid
[07:23] <Hobbsee> well, the *locking* part is fine
[07:24] <Hobbsee> it's just the unlocking part that appears to not work.
[07:24] <nixternal> ahh
[07:24] <Jucato> ok nixternal, time to give Hobbsee the key to the lock that you've hidden
[07:26] <nixternal> sure, I build from SVN
[07:26] <nixternal> ARGH!
[07:35] <Jucato> argh?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> sky fell in
[07:35] <Jucato> oh
[07:35] <Jucato> no wonder the silence :)
[07:36] <nixternal> no, I hate when devs don't put the CMakelist.txt file in root
[07:36] <nixternal> and give you install commands like:  mkdir build && cd build && cmake ../src && make
[07:37] <Jucato> okular?
[07:37] <nixternal> speedcrunch
[07:38] <Jucato> oh...
[07:38]  * Jucato can't make up his mind whether speedcrunch is a kde app or a pure qt one...
[07:38] <nixternal> I don't know python worth a shit 100% just yet, so slinging r.CMake(objDir='build') and r.CMake(dir='src') is all I know to do for the time being
[07:51] <stdin> looks like kdenetwork should build now, as soon as qca2 get's going anyway
[07:52] <Tm_T> :)
[07:52] <Tm_T> stdin: I can't get qca2 built from svn but hummm
[07:52] <Hobbsee> you're backporting qca2, i take it?
[07:52] <stdin> Tm_T: I used the version from hardy
[07:52] <stdin> Hobbsee: yeah
[07:53] <stdin> Hobbsee: kdenetwork-kde4 fails with the gutsy version, works with the hardy one
[07:53] <Tm_T> yup
[08:13] <_nixternal> g'nite
[08:14] <Jucato> knight _nixternal!
[08:15] <Hobbsee> stdin: not surprising.  why does it fail/
[08:23] <stdin> Hobbsee: not sure exactly, here's the relevant part of the build log http://stdin.pastebin.com/m77c4f373
[08:23] <stdin> seems to just be changes in code
[08:26] <Hobbsee>  /home/pastebin/public_html/../posts/ needs to be a writable dir to use file storage engine
[08:27] <stdin> ooh, strange error
[08:29] <stdin> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/530
[08:29] <stdin> line 8
[08:30] <Hobbsee> weird.  don't know
[08:48] <stdin> nice of the ppa buildds to stop working just as I uploaded qca2...
[09:07] <Tm_T> stdin: =)
[10:31] <stdin> wooh, I got to have a mini automatix rant on -users :D
[10:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:32] <Hobbsee> automatix is evil
[10:32] <Hobbsee> although i saw one filed a bug with the automatix repos not found
[10:32] <Hobbsee> maybe we kill automatix this release.
[10:34] <stdin> hopefully, I think all my friend had to get on gutsy was w32codecs
[10:34] <stdin> the rest was a couple clicks on restricted manager and installing k-restricted-extras
[10:35] <Hobbsee> ah yes.  i ponder poaching w32codecs as a script into the restricted extras packages
[10:36] <stdin> should be ok I guess, there's a script to install libdvdcss2 in libdvdread3
[11:04] <buz_> stdin: there's a slight difference between libdvdcss2 and w32codecs. the former basically circumvents the dmca (which only applies to the us) whereas the latter most likely is a copyright violation
[11:05] <Tm_T> yes
[11:05] <buz_> most likely because it is not entirely clear how it applies to binaries that are indeed freely available
[11:06] <stdin> buz_: I know the difference in the restrictions, but as long as ubuntu aren't actually distributing anything it should be ok (I think)
[11:06] <Tm_T> actually, I'm quite sure that current EU laws and justice statements say dvdcss can be "disabled" without committing a crime, because it's too weak
[11:06] <Tm_T> (thanks mjr)
[11:06] <buz_> Tm_T: but we dont want ubuntu staff to get arrested when they travel to the us
[11:07] <Tm_T> buz_: yes, I only said what the situation is in EU
[11:07] <buz_> yeah but thats why ubuntu wont distribute it no matter what
[11:07] <Tm_T> I know
[11:07] <Tm_T> I said nothing about that :))
[11:25] <Tm_T> stdin: thank you sir
[11:26] <stdin> Tm_T: what for?
[11:26] <Tm_T> qca
[11:26] <stdin> ah :)
[11:27] <Tm_T> and everything else
[11:27] <stdin> kdenetwork-kde4 just finished too :)
[11:27] <stdin> not that you "i'll build it from svn" people care :p
[11:27] <Tm_T> :-P
[11:28] <Tm_T> well those packages wouldn't help me if I intended to try do developing
[11:28] <Tm_T> right?
[11:28] <stdin> the -dev packages may
[11:28] <stdin> but the svn version is more recent, even though the packages are only a few days old
[11:29] <Tm_T> or not if I will do stuff that end up to your next packages
[11:29] <Tm_T> stdin: upstream that is
[13:10] <kdelogger4> Riddell: I'm going to apply for motu on monday
[13:14] <jpatrick> kdelogger4: I've poked libksquirrel
[13:17] <kdelogger4> jpatrick: yeah, thanks, gotta talk to upstream though
[13:17] <kdelogger4> ...missing licenses for admin directory
[13:17] <kdelogger4> ...again
[18:42] <somerville32> The MPAA is using Xubuntu for their University toolkit.
[18:42] <somerville32> Wrong channel :/
[18:42] <nixternal> haha
[18:43] <somerville32> Still quite interesting though
[18:43] <nixternal> ya it is
[18:43] <somerville32> I hope they violate the GPL (some are already claiming they have) and they get sued for copyright infringement
[18:43] <nixternal> I would support any terrorist that takes them out!
[18:43] <nixternal> there are a few fairly large GPL infringements right now, and the FSF hasn't said a thing
[18:44] <nixternal> this MPAA/Xubuntu deal and the Asus Eee PC
[18:44] <nixternal> the Eee PC has quite a few violations in itself
[18:46] <somerville32> lol
[18:49] <somerville32> "But perhaps the MPAA will donate some small proportion of the funds they have spent on the «University toolkit» to enable Xubuntu CDs to be sent free of charge to those who need them.."
[18:49] <nixternal> lol
[18:50] <Riddell> nixternal: how does the eee violate the GPL?
[18:51] <nixternal> Riddell: they don't provide the source to the kernel changes..actually they don't provide source to anything on it
[18:51] <nixternal> you can download a 1.8GB zip file that contains a few .deb files though, and that is what they are calling the source on the download website
[18:52] <somerville32> Hey
[18:53] <somerville32> They didn't change the branding on their distro. Wouldn't that be a violation of trademark?
[18:54] <nixternal> the MPAA didn't create a distro I don't think...they are just using it for their tool
[18:54] <ScottK> somerville32: You need to carefully read the Canonical trademark policy to figure that out.
[18:54] <somerville32> nixternal, It is remastered
[18:55] <somerville32> I don't think their using 7.04 either if this screenshot is right
[18:55] <somerville32> *they're
[18:57] <Riddell> apachelogger_: awooga
[19:35] <DaSkreech> seele: ping
[19:57] <nixternal> who wants to write my paper for me?
[20:00] <ScottK> What's the topic and how long?
[20:00] <nixternal> Problem/Solution - Student Activity Groups
[20:00] <nixternal> 4 to 5 pages
[20:00] <nixternal> I think
[20:02] <ScottK> Are we in favor or opposed to student activity?
[20:03] <vorian> opposed
[20:04]  * vorian runs and hides
[20:04] <jpatrick> vorian: in theory, yes, practise; no
[20:05] <vorian> heh, it's been almost 8 years since my college days ...
[20:05] <jpatrick> vorian: arg, sorry wrong channel
[20:05] <vorian> :'(
[20:06] <vorian> jpatrick, can I at least pretend i'm still in school?
[20:06] <ScottK> Well I have to leave here in 20 minutes to go do our monthly soup kitchen cooking volunteer work, if nixternal can get here in time to do that, I'll be glad to write the paper ;-)
[20:07] <jpatrick> vorian: that message was for someone in #kubuntu I mean
[20:07] <vorian> I see
[20:07] <vorian> lol
[20:11] <nixternal> always in favor of a student activity group, but gotta provide the problems, and then my proposed solutions
[22:54] <uga> uhm... is there no libmal packs for gutsy?
[22:55] <jpatrick> uga: is it in hardy?
[22:55] <uga> I found one in dapper, from google
[22:55] <jpatrick> ah
[22:55] <jpatrick> no idea then
[22:56] <uga> I'm not using hardy
[22:56] <uga> it's one of the deps in kdepim4
[22:56] <uga> along with others that I also miss, like mysql embedded
[23:02] <uga> heh, debian had ignored the pack too, due to "brokenness" http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2007/07/msg00002.html
[23:04] <ryanakca> is RC1 still in progress?
[23:04]  * ryanakca checks PPA
[23:29] <Riddell> uga: I seem to remember we don't have libmal because it's not maintained upstream
[23:30] <Riddell> ryanakca: running a large backports command now


[19:23] <yano> https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/
[19:23] <jenni> [ Join the Day of Action for Net Neutrality on July 12th ] - https://bit.ly/2sh27G1


[00:40] <JanC> I think shan3 wants to boot slower  ;)
[01:48] <Caesar> Is there a way to validate an upstart job for anatomical correctness but otherwise not do anything with it?
[03:28] <shan3> In Ubuntu 10.04, is it possible that a bash script I run from an Upstart job can exit with errors because it is not compliant with dash?
[03:30] <Keybuk> your question doesn't make sense
[03:32] <Keybuk> scripts run from an Upstart job (within the script...end script block) are run with /bin/sh, which on Ubuntu is dash
[03:32] <Keybuk> this means you *cannot* include so-called bashisms in them
[03:32] <Keybuk> they are not bash scripts
[03:32] <Keybuk> if you instead call out to an executable bash script using exec, then it will be run with whatever the #! line is at the top
[03:33] <Keybuk> (ie. set that to #!/bin/bash *not* #!/bin/sh)
[03:34] <shan3> Keybuk: Thanks for the reply... but I cannot figure out why my bash script will not run from the Upstart job but works perfectly when run from terminal
[03:34] <Keybuk> can you pastebin the upstart job?
[03:34] <shan3> sure...  1 sec
[03:36] <shan3> http://pastebin.com/JVLiFwaZ
[03:36] <Keybuk> /usr/sbin/mfmrootdaemon being the bash script?
[03:36] <shan3> yes
[03:36] <Keybuk> well, it could be any number of issues
[03:37] <Keybuk> for example, is /usr even mounted/
[03:37] <Keybuk> it's stopped when rcS is started, which might be quite soon after udev is started
[03:37] <Keybuk> it might need mounted filesystems like /proc, which aren't available when udev is started
[03:37] <Keybuk> have you tried adding set +x to your bash script, and "console output" to the job, to see what it fails on?
[03:38] <shan3> but it should work if I run 'sudo start myjob' , right?
[03:38] <Keybuk> if it works when you do that, but doesn't work otherwise, then it would be a dep issue
[03:38] <Keybuk> if it doesn't work when you "sudo start", then I'd do the set +x/console output trick to see how it fails
[03:39] <shan3> no it doesn't work when I use start... I'll try set +x now
[03:39] <Keybuk> the set =x goes at the top of mfmrootdaemon obviously
[03:39] <Keybuk> set +x I mean
[03:39] <Keybuk> it makes bash print each line before executing it
[03:39] <Keybuk> so you'll see where it breaks
[04:05] <shan3> Keybuk: do you mean set -x ? coz that print the commands and arguments... either way, I've added 'console output' ans set +x and also set -x... but still no output
[04:05] <Keybuk> err yes
[04:05] <Keybuk> maybe -x
[04:07] <shan3> -x enables and +x disables...
[04:08] <shan3> start outputs 'myjob start/running' but there is no sign on it in ps
[04:08] <shan3> *of it
[16:47] <Keybuk> notting: around?
[16:47] <notting> sure, why not
[16:48] <Keybuk> I hear RedHat have written their own init replacement, and will be using that instead of Upstart
[16:48] <Keybuk> care to comment?
[16:52] <notting> (give me a few minutes)
[16:52] <Keybuk> :-)
[16:56] <notting> someone who is a RH employee is writing something in their spare time. i have not looked at what they've written so far
[16:57] <notting> there are no current plans to either ship it, or not ship it
[16:59] <Keybuk> they claim RH is paying them to write it
[16:59] <Keybuk> and that it's a foregone shoe into Fedora
[17:09] <notting> i'm not exactly comfortable attempting to talk about a third party in their absence. i'd prefer to let them speak for themselves.
[17:09] <notting> but nothing has been built for fedora, or proposed for fedora, or discussed in fedora in any way
[17:10] <mclasen> I'm sure it will be, in time
[17:16] <Keybuk> notting: ok ;)
[17:16] <Keybuk> so you don't know much about it
[17:19] <notting> i know of it/the basics about it
[17:28] <ion> iNIHt
[17:29] <ion> Nothing wrong with NIH if you have a good reason for it. What’s the reason for the RH init?
[17:34] <notting> no linux subsystem is complete unless there's a implementation that starts with 'g' and an implementation that starts with 'k'. init has neither.
[17:46] <Keybuk> it's all about the 'u' now
[17:55]  * notting waits for canonical to come out with their ibis mascot, then
[18:40] <sadmac> Keybuk: I heard this rumor too. My reaction was the same as yours.
[21:33] <Keybuk> sadmac: I had a reaction? :p
[21:34] <sadmac> Keybuk: yes. I asked notting :)
[21:34] <Keybuk> when I first heard about it (six months ago?)  He won't take the damn thing.)
[21:45] <Keybuk> is that the "apt-get remove pulseaudio" patch?
[21:45] <sadmac> Keybuk: also, do you look at it as killing esd or cementing alsa?
[22:06] <JanC> pulseaudio works fine
[22:10] <JanC> except for 1 usage scenario maybe (a system daemon like mpd needing to play sound, but even that's solvable)
[22:11] <Keybuk> yeah, it's always worked ok for me
[22:13] <sadmac> right now this box will periodically produce static instead of sound unless I kill pulse.
[22:13] <sadmac> and that's for straight alsa apps
[22:13] <sadmac> if it goes through gstreamer it hardlocks
[22:13] <sadmac> busy-looping inside libpulse
[22:13] <JanC> your gstreamer uses pulse I hope?
[22:14] <sadmac> JanC: yes. It seems to use it in such a way that it hits the pulseaudio glitch harder, or hits a different glitch.
[22:14] <JanC> anyway, never seen that happen recently on Ubuntu (for at least 1 year)
[22:15] <JanC> may depend on the hardware though
[22:15] <sadmac> intel
[22:15] <sadmac> this box is on its second motherboard too. same problems as the last chipset on this one.
[22:16] <JanC> I think you mean HDA, intel doesn't make audio chips (anymore?)
[22:16] <sadmac> yeah. that's what I mean


[01:15] <rawfodog> I cant find the setting to disable the screen saver
[01:36] <Steve_2> i have a problem going back to lxde from compiz
[06:26] <jrp> hi, i'm trying to install skype on 13.10, but when i go to install it in synaptic, it tells me it wants to remove lubuntu-core and a whole host of other important stuff
[06:26] <jrp> i've tried installing from downloading from skype but meet dependency hell, so what gives?
[06:27] <ianorlin> !13.10
[06:27] <jrp> nice
[06:28] <ianorlin> good news is 14.04 is an lts
[06:29] <jrp> is it safe to upgrade without backing up everything?
[06:29] <jrp> or is it a pita
[06:30] <ianorlin> you should back everything up anyway
[06:30] <ianorlin> being without backups is never safe
[06:31] <jrp> i'm feeling adventurous
[06:33] <jrp> trying to install skype deleted half of my core causing my system to stop booting which scared the hell out of me, but reinstalling the lubuntu-core and -desktop seemed to get things booting to then upgrade to 13.10
[06:38] <jrp> how long will the actual udgrade take?
[06:38] <jrp> will it really take "several hours"?
[06:39] <ianorlin> depends on network speed processor and many other factors
[18:30] <janolap1> Hi there !
[18:31] <silverlion> o/ janolap1
[18:38] <janolap1> hi silverlion !
[21:25] <janolap1> Hi, I have launched this command on the LXTerm : convert IMG_????.JPG -resize 800x800^ IMG_????r.JPG
[21:25] <janolap1> I think it has created a huge file, but I don't know where...
[21:25] <janolap1> how can I find the generated file ?
[21:27] <janolap1> Ok, it was in /tmp


[00:24] <jono> bkerensa, you there?
[03:51] <bkerensa> jono: ello
[03:51] <bkerensa> jono: for a few
[05:05] <bkerensa> jono: ping
[05:07] <jono> hey bkerensa
[05:08] <bkerensa> jono: hello you pinged earlier?
[05:08] <jono> bkerensa, yeah, I wanted to ask if you could test accomplishments 0.2?
[05:08] <bkerensa> heh
[05:08] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/GetInvolved/Testing/0.2
[05:09] <bkerensa> jono: can the package handle quantal? :P
[05:09] <bkerensa> im running dev
[05:09] <jono> bkerensa, we now have quantal packages, so this will be a good test :-)
[05:20] <bkerensa> jono: passed tests with flying colors
[05:20] <jono> bkerensa, awesome!
[05:29] <jono> bkerensa, one other thing
[05:29] <jono> would you mind redditing the app dev blog entry I posted last on planet?
[05:29] <bkerensa> jono: surely
[05:30] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/06/12/ubuntu-app-developer-goings-on/
[05:30] <jono> thanks!
[05:30] <jono> ok, brb
[05:30] <bkerensa> jono: I get no artofcomm_2.0ubuntu1.deb? :P
[05:31] <jono> bkerensa, the pdf is online :-)
[05:31] <jono> I am looking to see if we can sell it in the software center
[05:31] <jono> :-)
[05:31] <jono> back in a bit
[05:42] <bkerensa> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/uxhxu/ubuntu_app_developer_goings_on_jonobaconhome/
[06:31] <dpm> morning all
[06:36] <jono> hey dpm
[06:36] <dpm> hey jono, I saw your reply, and I was able to log into d.u.c :)
[06:37] <jono> dpm, awesome!
[06:37] <hobgoblin> morning
[06:39] <jono> night, all!@
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:05] <cjohnston> mornin czajkowski
[08:06] <cjohnston> Someone needs to pass on to my body that 2am isn't an appropriate wakeup time
[08:07] <hobgoblin> cjohnston: I feel for you - rain got into the doorbell switch at 2am - kept ringing it :(
[08:07] <cjohnston> :-/
[08:07] <hobgoblin> I've got a doorbell to fix now ...
[08:07] <cjohnston> s/fix/destroy
[08:08] <hobgoblin> fix - I did the destroying at 2am :p
[08:08] <hobgoblin> morning czajkowski
[08:08] <cjohnston> then its fixed
[08:08] <hobgoblin> lol
[08:09] <czajkowski> cjohnston: can you go for a walk and get fresh air I find thats very useful when I need to sleep but cant
[08:10] <czajkowski> I'm going to need a holiday after this week, meeting people every night after work as back in .IE
[08:10] <cjohnston> I could go sit in the back yard I guess, but walking around my area at this time may not be the smartest of ideas
[08:10] <czajkowski> nods
[08:10] <cjohnston> I wish my wifi reached out back
[08:12] <cjohnston> Its 24*C outside, about the only time of the day where it would be somewhat comfortable to go out there
[08:12] <czajkowski> fecker
[08:12] <cjohnston> what
[08:14] <czajkowski> that weather
[08:14] <czajkowski> want :)
[08:14]  * hobgoblin too
[08:15] <cjohnston> I want that during the day.. not the 37* that we are going to get
[08:15] <czajkowski> 13-16 here today
[08:15] <hobgoblin> I'd take that for a day just to dry everything out a bit
[08:15] <cjohnston> hobgoblin: we've gotten a bunch of rain too...
[08:16] <cjohnston> so we arent dry
[08:16] <hobgoblin> It's been raining here for days and days and days and ...
[08:21] <cjohnston> czajkowski: you haven't heard anything more about Bug #1004416 and Linaro getting it fixed by chance have you?
[08:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004416 in launchpad "Work Items not allowing users to edit them properly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004416
[08:22] <czajkowski> cjohnston: we have nothing to do with danilo work items or when he works on the bugs.
[08:22] <czajkowski> sorry
[08:22] <czajkowski> I'll ask mrevell to ask again
[08:23] <cjohnston> I figured.. just wasn't sure if there was discussion that wasn't in the bug. :-)
[08:23] <czajkowski> nope disucssions go in the bugs :)
[10:53] <czajkowski> that's kinda cool https://launchpad.net/lensit
[13:36] <nigelb> cprofitt: stop feeding the troll! :)
[13:46] <cprofitt> nigelb: yeah... I had hoped he/she was not a troll
[14:07] <imbrandon> Had a lil javascript-and-css fun http://bholtsclaw.github.com/assets/buttons/download-for-ubuntu.html
[15:00] <jono> dpm, dholbach, mhall119 all set?
[15:00] <dholbach> yep
[15:00] <dholbach> no balloons and jcastro?
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, no this is a call
[15:00] <jono> no meeting today
[15:00] <jono> app dev call
[15:00] <dholbach> ahhhhh ok, sorry
[15:00]  * dholbach got confused
[15:01] <dpm> hey jono, all set
[15:01] <mhall119> ready
[15:01] <balloons> no no.. here here
[15:01] <jono> dpm, dholbach, mhall119 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/8b35b2b0eaf044a4d30e4ea2f9789192a25e369e?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:19] <hggdh> dholbach: just an update -- I am holding on announcing the next membership board meeting for a bit, we need (hopefully) the last ack
[15:19] <dholbach> hggdh, cool
[15:19] <dholbach> thanks for taking care of it
[15:19] <hggdh> yw
[15:37] <cprofitt> jokerdino: ping
[15:37] <jokerdino> hi cprofitt ;D
[15:43] <cprofitt> hey jokerdino nice to meet you on twitter
[15:43] <jokerdino> nice to meet you to !
[15:43] <jokerdino> *too
[15:52] <jono> dpm, mhall119 six N9s are confirmed :-)
[15:52] <dpm> jono, nice!
[15:52]  * dpm updates doc
[15:52] <jono> :-)
[15:53] <cprofitt> N9s?
[15:56] <cjohnston> M8s
[15:58] <jokerdino> M18s?
[16:29] <mhall119> jono: would you mind reddit-ing http://mhall119.com/2012/06/pkgme-help-and-mentors/
[16:30] <mhall119> cprofitt: http://mhall119.com/2012/06/pkgme-help-and-mentors/
[16:31] <mhall119> wrong link
[16:31] <mhall119> cprofitt: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/n9/
[16:33] <jono> mhall119, sure
[16:33] <mhall119> thanks
[16:38] <cprofitt> nice
[16:42] <pleia2> cprofitt: pro tip: don't get into arguments with satire twitter feeds :)
[16:49]  * jcastro returns from holiday
[16:49] <jcastro> what'd I miss?
[16:51] <cjohnston> jcastro: I took over the world
[17:13] <cprofitt> pleia2: lol -- yep
[17:15] <mhall119> welcome back jcastro
[17:40] <mhall119> jono: do you know if the N9 is GSM or CDMA?
[17:51] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: looks good for forums, I will create your forum later today
[17:51] <bodhi_zazen> You can make the sticky, make sure permissions are all working
[17:51] <mhall119> thanks bodhi_zazen
[17:52] <bodhi_zazen> It looks great
[17:52] <bodhi_zazen> I think it will be popular
[17:53] <mhall119> me too, I'm hoping it'll be used heavily during the upcoming developer contest
[17:55] <bodhi_zazen> do you know dave's ubuntu forums login name ?
[18:00] <popey> mhall119: N9 is a GSM phone
[18:06] <jcastro> has nokia ever made a cdma phone?
[18:06] <jcastro> in recent memory I mean
[18:20] <jono> mhall119, no idea
[18:20] <mhall119> jono: popey knew
[18:21] <jono> popey always knows
[18:32] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=417
[18:32] <bodhi_zazen> can you try adding your sticky there ?
[18:33] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: as a new thread?
[18:33] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[18:34] <bodhi_zazen> Then you should have the ability to make it a sticky (after you post)
[18:34] <mhall119> "mhall119, you do not have permission to access this page."
[18:34] <mhall119> I can't even create one
[18:34] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[18:34]  * bodhi_zazen looks
[18:37] <bodhi_zazen> try now please
[18:37] <mhall119> yup
[18:38] <mhall119> what should I call it, "Guidelines"?
[18:40] <hobgoblin> would make sense mhall119
[18:40] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: what about assistance with packaging ?
[18:41] <bodhi_zazen> Once an application has been written, how is it then packaged and how does it become available in the software center ?
[18:41] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: that's on the developer portal
[18:41] <bodhi_zazen> sweet
[18:41] <bodhi_zazen> did you mention that in your sticky ?
[18:42] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: It may take a little time for the forum to sync between the seb servers
[18:42] <bodhi_zazen> *web
[18:42] <hobgoblin> bilberry is out of sync bodhi_zazen
[18:43] <bodhi_zazen> yea
[18:43] <bodhi_zazen> usually the other way around
[18:43] <hobgoblin> indeed lol
[18:43] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: it won't let me submit the thread
[18:43] <mhall119> same error as before
[18:43] <bodhi_zazen> You would think sync means sync
[18:44] <bodhi_zazen> try again
[18:44] <bodhi_zazen> It will be intermittent until the servers sync
[18:44] <mhall119> ah, there it goes
[18:45] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[18:45] <bodhi_zazen> now, can you make it a sticky ?
[18:45] <bodhi_zazen> View the thread -> thread tools at the top
[18:46] <bodhi_zazen> Stick thread
[18:47] <bodhi_zazen> And I need david's forums login to add him in as an admin
[18:47] <mhall119> dpm: what's your forums username?
[18:47] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: it took a few tries, but I made it sticky
[18:48] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[18:48] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: there is a bit of a learning curve to the moderation tools, let any of the staff know if you need assistance
[18:49] <hobgoblin> mhall119: a lot of us are kicking about in here
[18:49] <mhall119> will do, thanks
[18:49] <mhall119> hobgoblin: I'm also in #ubuntuforms
[18:49] <bodhi_zazen> no problem, great to have a new forum
[18:49] <mhall119> spelled right, of course :)
[18:49] <hobgoblin> I can kick you if you want :p
[18:49] <mhall119> dpm: ok okay with me adding the forum to the /community page and writing an announcement post?
[18:51] <mhall119> oh drat, /community is one of the hardcoded pages
[18:52] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, I was about to say that :/
[18:52] <dpm> mhall119, my forums user name is dpm
[18:52] <mhall119> ok, I'll change the code and submit an MP
[18:52] <mhall119> dpm: who usually asks for a deployment of the site?
[18:54] <dpm> mhall119, ok cool. Either steveedwards or myself file an RT, but lately it's been me, as Steve is no longer working on d.u.c. I can look at the MP and then either you or I can file the RT
[18:54] <mhall119> dpm: sounds god
[18:54] <mhall119> good even
[18:54] <dpm> :)
[18:54] <mhall119> (one day I'll get used to this new keyboard)
[18:54] <bodhi_zazen> dpm - what name do you use to log into forums ?
[18:54] <dpm> bodhi_zazen, I use dpm
[18:55] <dpm> same as the LP openid
[18:55] <mhall119> dpm: where is the code for the site?
[18:55] <bodhi_zazen> dpm: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=48790
[18:55] <dpm> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal
[18:56] <mhall119> ah, wrong project
[18:58] <bodhi_zazen> should be good to go as well dpm, it takes a little time for servers to sync is all
[18:59] <mhall119> dpm: any idea where the icons for irc, mailing list and twitter came from on the /community page?
[19:00] <dpm> the design team made them
[19:00] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: what's the usual iconography to represent forums?
[19:08] <jono> dpm, hey
[19:08] <jono> I don't see anything on the draft showdown page
[19:09] <dpm> hey jono, you'll need to log in probably
[19:09] <dpm> let me double check I gave you the right link
[19:10] <jono> dpm, aha!
[19:10] <jono> I see it
[19:11] <dpm> ah, cool
[19:11] <jono> looking good :-)
[19:12] <dpm> cool
[19:13] <dpm> I'll create an image/banner tomorrow morning once the content is finished. We should have an image, a logo or something :)
[19:19] <dpm> ok, I really need to run now, or I'll be really late. See you all tomorrow!
[19:36] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/images/rebrand/ubuntulogo-o-small.png
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: more here, at the bottom - http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[19:48] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: I needed a 16x16 icon, so I just made one of a word bubble
[20:02] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, http://ubuntuforums.org/images/rebrand/misc/navbits_start.gif