[07:49] <superm1> bryce, i'm starting to think it makes sense to include some type of patch that would force fglrx to be the active graphics driver when installed given bulletproofx is entirely shot and you can't use radeon/radeonhd when it's installed..
[07:52] <tjaalton> radeon should work, just not with DRI
[07:53] <superm1> well the majority of people won't know to put NoDRI or what not in xorg.conf tho
[07:53] <bryce> tjaalton: I couldn't get radeon to work at all as long as fglrx was installed
[07:53] <bryce> although I didn't try NoDRI
[07:53] <tjaalton> ok
[07:53] <tjaalton> weird
[07:53] <bryce> I've been spotting various bug reports (including one where the guy deleted libdri.o to get radeonhd working again)
[07:54] <tjaalton> maybe the kernel module is hostile
[07:54] <bryce> maybe
[07:54] <superm1> well radeon and fglrx's kernel modules can't be loaded simultaneously afaik
[07:55] <tjaalton> so radeon doesn't work at all without it then
[07:57] <superm1> oh how about adding modprobe options to radeon to rmmod fglrx
[07:57] <superm1> if its loaded
[07:58] <tjaalton> it should be unloaded before the server starts
[07:58] <tjaalton> so where exactly?-)
[08:01] <superm1> gah, that's unfortunate
[08:08] <bryce> one user thinks we should ship two versions of xorg with each ubuntu release, so we can retain backwards compatibility for an older fglrx that supports their r3xx card
[08:10] <superm1> oh that would be fun
[08:10] <bryce> tjaalton: what's the status of the vblank stuff?  I've been seeing some scattered error messages mentioning vblank, is that just a stray warning?
[08:10] <bryce> superm1: I laughed.  They didn't appreciate it though.
[08:11] <superm1> bryce, yeah from their perspective i suppose it looks like "ubuntu is breaking fglrx" rather than "fglrx isn't supporting the latest releases"
[08:12] <tjaalton> bryce: yes, it's disabled by default in the dri driver
[08:13] <tjaalton> we'll all be laughing a year from now ;)
[08:13] <RAOF> When nouveau is the default nvidia driver, and radeon{,hd} supports all cards with 3d?
[08:14] <bryce> RAOF: that'll be an enjoyable day
[08:14] <bryce> RAOF: of course by then everyone will be owning GMA500's and wanting -psb working
[08:16] <tjaalton> RAOF: even I am not that optimistic, meant that r6xx-> should be supported by the dri driver by then ;)
[08:16] <tjaalton> bryce: hehe
[08:17] <bryce> tjaalton: noticed most recently on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/xorg/+bug/345714/
[08:17] <bryce> Mar 19 22:42:15 laptop kernel: [ 4495.802798] [drm:gm45_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
[08:19] <tjaalton> I don't think the message is related, but best ask upstream what they think
[08:20] <tjaalton> related to the crash..
[08:20]  * bryce nods
[08:21] <bryce> I'll shoot it upstream next week.  Just need a bit more info from robbie.
[08:21] <bryce> I hate upstreaming to Intel with incomplete info, they always nitpick
[08:23] <tjaalton> :)
[09:27] <maco> anything change in -intel lately to explain why i cant enable compositing in kwin?
[09:32] <bryce> 2.6.3
[09:33] <maco> er...string to go with those numbers?  "new upstream version" or some such?
[09:33] <bryce> yep
[09:35] <maco> was that in the last month?
[09:35] <tjaalton> this week
[09:35] <maco> oh, im not that far behind then
[09:36] <maco> ya know, on finding out a chunk of functionality just disappeared
[09:36] <tjaalton> which chip?
[09:36] <tjaalton> try with a new user first
[09:37] <maco> i965
[09:37] <maco> Subsystem: 1043:8265
[09:38] <maco> ok
[09:38] <tjaalton> compiz works on mine
[09:38] <tjaalton> so doubt it's the driver at fault
[09:38] <maco> i did try "reset to defaults" on the kwin settings
[09:38] <maco> the message that came up said to check the X config
[09:39] <maco> and the compositing type
[09:40] <tjaalton> sure, "blame someone else" ;)
[09:44] <tjaalton> check the x log if dri is enabled
[09:45] <tjaalton> glxinfo should reveal it too
[09:46] <maco> fails on a new user too
[09:46] <maco> direct rendering: Yes
[09:47] <maco> (i assume thats what you mean?)
[09:47] <tjaalton> yes
[09:47] <maco> i dont have uxa explicitly enabled anymore, but the default is to not enable uxa, isnt it? so that should make no difference?
[09:48] <tjaalton> shouldn't
[09:51] <RAOF> Won't the software renderer _also_ return 'direct rendering: Yes' in Jaunty?
[09:52] <maco> well my xorg.conf currently looks like what dexconf outputs, except that it has a commented out 'Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"' line
[09:52] <RAOF> I suppose that check can pick up partially working, but broken.
[09:52] <bryce> look at OpenGL renderer string to see if software rendering is going on
[09:53] <tjaalton> maco: just try compiz next :)
[09:53] <maco> darn, people that know i still have gnome installed
[09:53] <maco> :P
[09:55] <tjaalton> I didn't, but apt-get works :)
[09:56] <maco> "desktop effects could not be enabled"
[09:57] <maco> lately all the whining ive done while testing has been of the "good for you gnome-only people, but that totally breaks for people using kde and gnome!" variety
[09:58] <crdlb> my new general-purpose 3d checker is glxinfo | egrep 'direct|software' :)
[09:59] <maco> crdlb: no lines matched for software
[09:59] <tjaalton> try a daily live-cd, if it doesn't work, then I'll believe there's something wrong in the driver :)
[09:59] <maco> note that the last few days' live cds have been over 700mb...
[10:00] <tjaalton> too bad
[10:00] <crdlb> did you look at the compiz output to see exactly what failed?
[10:00] <maco> no i just tried the appearances window that i hate...will switch consoles
[10:00] <maco> though i should point out: vt switching is broken more weirdly now
[10:00] <tjaalton> compiz --replace in a terminal
[10:01] <maco> from the kdm screen on which the other user was logged in, i cant ctrl+alt+f7 back to here. it just keeps refreshing kdm. cant get from there to a tty either. even when i do it twice in a row
[10:01] <tjaalton> uh
[10:01] <tjaalton> you don't have dri in the second sessionä
[10:02] <tjaalton> -ä
[10:02] <tjaalton> so you need to try it in the primary session
[10:03] <maco> software rasterizer detected: abortingaborting, falling back to /usr/bin/metacity
[10:04] <maco> i thought it just couldnt be in use in two sessions at once
[10:04] <tjaalton> right, what I said :)
[10:04] <crdlb> oops, I forgot -i :)
[10:05] <maco> oh ok well that works...compiz does run
[10:05]  * maco glares at kwin for lying
[10:05] <crdlb> what happened to multi-master drm?
[10:05] <maco> ah! who made the compiz window switcher so busy?!
[10:06] <tjaalton> crdlb: WIP
[10:06] <maco> hrm well then i guess i should go ask in #kubuntu-devel
[10:07] <tjaalton> probably so
[10:07] <crdlb> tjaalton: heh, it just seems like it should have gotten in by now
[10:10] <tjaalton> there's a wikipage on wiki.x.org about it
[10:10] <tjaalton> iirc
[10:15] <maco> ctrl+c'ing compiz didnt bring kwin back. and plasma died. and my keyboard stopped working.  adding "use compiz inside kde" to the list of things i shouldnt do
[10:17] <tjaalton> there's a wikipage on wiki.x.org about it
[10:19] <maco> well i dont think the kbd was the window manager's fault
[10:19] <maco> that happens from time to time
[10:19] <tjaalton> uh
[10:20] <RAOF> Heh.
[10:20] <tjaalton> the previous comment was an error
[10:20] <tjaalton> put the phone in my pocket
[10:20] <maco> ?
[10:20] <maco> the "uh" or the wiki.x.org comment?
[10:21] <tjaalton> wiki
[10:28] <RAOF> OK.  There's a nouveau-kernel-source package that'll build a drm module that's compatible with the driver in Jaunty in bzr.  Tomorrow shall be FFe filing time :/.
[19:35] <maco> wont work
[19:35] <maco> bah wrong channel
[19:35] <maco> my mouse missed
[21:15] <jcristau> tormod: thanks for filing the savage bug.  uploaded to stable-p-u now.
[21:15] <tormod> jcristau: great
[21:16] <tormod> jcristau: btw, why didn't you use debian/patches?
[21:16] <jcristau> git cherry-pick -x is faster :)
[21:16] <jcristau> for stuff that's upstream, i tend to just do that
[21:17] <jcristau> and use debian/patches/ for stuff that either is debian specific or we need to keep longer term
[21:25] <tormod_> oops, solid lock-up on RV410 (compiz+googleearth)
[21:26] <tormod_> jcristau: ok make sense. I wondered if it be helpful to post a debdiff, but figured you would use git anyway.
[21:27] <jcristau> tormod_: yeah with a bug to point the RMs at, it was just a matter of cherry-picking your patch, writing a changelog entry, waiting for an ack, and building the package :)
[21:27] <jcristau> (and the ack came very fast, so.)
[21:28] <tormod_> jcristau: yes, I was impressed how fast that went! I thought SRU on Debian would take months :)
[21:30] <jcristau> tormod_: actually including it in stable will take more time, since that only happens at the point release. but the next one is scheduled for april 4th, so pretty soon too.
[21:31] <tormod_> let's see how long it takes in Ubuntu, with beta freezes and all that ;)
[22:13] <bryce> tormod_: which bug is this?
[22:14] <bryce> tormod_: if it's the pci by default bug, it's already in
[22:15] <tormod_> bryce: no, it's another
[22:15] <tormod_> bryce: just assigned it to you tonight: bug 294899
[22:21] <bryce> tormod_: uploaded
[22:24] <bryce> ok, I'm supposed to be off work today so am going to try to spend the day away from the computer ;-)
[22:24] <tormod_> bryce: cool, as fast as Debian :)
[22:25] <bryce> tormod_: touch base with slangasek on beta freeze permission (I already mentioned it to him) but I think this one should sail through fine
[22:25] <tormod_> bryce: I see. go away from screen
[22:26] <tormod_> bryce: just want to congratulate you (and tjaalton and others) for getting such an up to date xorg stack in Jaunty! rocks


[12:39] <Pici> ssh
[12:39] <Pici> bah
[12:40] <Pici> Okay, irssi layout finally fixed so I don't do that again.
[12:47] <jussi01> :D
[12:49] <Myrtti> Pici: do what again?
[12:49] <Myrtti> /layout save?
[18:41] <jspiro> hi all.  idea:  redirect #ubuntu-www, #ubuntu-web, and #ubuntu-webteam (currently all unregistered) to #ubuntu-website to make it easier for newcomers to find the channel without searching.
[18:41] <jspiro> Pici from #freenode thinks it's unnecessary but delegates to you.  I think it's a great idea, because there is no cost and some benefit.  What do you think?
[18:42] <jspiro> *I meant Pici from here and #freenode
[20:06] <jspiro> repeat:  idea:  redirect #ubuntu-www, #ubuntu-web, and #ubuntu-webteam to #ubuntu-website.  good idea?
[20:06] <nalioth> jspiro: we saw you the first time
[20:06] <jspiro> sorry.
[20:33] <nickharper> Hey, is this the correct channel for help?
[20:35] <jspiro> nickharper: no.  see #ubuntu  :)
[20:36] <nickharper> Thanks, already there.


[01:47] <dwg_> Paragraphs don't show up properly for me (e.g. http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-reference/add-help.html). There's no spacing between paragraphs, which makes it hard to read. How would I go about setting up a server to see what might need to change to clean things up?
[01:51] <dwg_> I've got the bzr repo from launchpad and can see the help information in builtins.py, so I think I need information about how the whole documentation build and test works.
[01:52] <poolie> dwg_, running 'make docs-sphinx' should show you the output
[01:52] <poolie> you may need to fix doc_generate/something
[01:52] <poolie> then please push your branch to launchpad and propose it for merge
[01:56] <dwg_> make docs-sphinx at least does something, so that ought to get me started. thanks!
[21:30] <quotemstr> Why the hell is bzr telling me about text conflicts in files *I DIDN'T CHANGE*?
[21:33] <quotemstr> I have a copy of the Emacs trunk. I last updated it --- hrm, maybe a month ago?
[22:14] <peitschie> mornin all :)
[22:22] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. I'm about to create a branch on my launchpad page, and I'm a little confused on what to call it. Should one call it the project name, dev, trunk, mainline, branch, or what? The UI seems a little confusing to me.
[22:27] <blueglasses> hi
[22:28] <blueglasses> i've made some changes on a python file, how do I upload it to launchpad?
[22:28] <blueglasses> I already have the thing called trunk visible
[22:29] <blueglasses> and I have some testing files there
[22:29] <spiv> KombuchaKip: 'trunk' is a reasonable default.  It doesn't matter much.  You can rename it later (at the cost of breaking the old URL, of course).
[22:30] <KombuchaKip> spiv: Thanks.
[22:30] <blueglasses> I forgot the command sequence to upload my changes
[22:30] <spiv> blueglasses: usually "bzr commit" followed by "bzr push".
[22:31] <blueglasses> trying...
[22:31] <KombuchaKip> spiv: What does Launchpad mean when they refer to the "trunk series"?
[22:31] <blueglasses> commit opened nano
[22:32] <blueglasses> is this expected?
[22:32] <mgz> you get to type in what your change does.
[22:32] <mgz> so people looking at the log know what you were up to.
[22:33] <blueglasses> do I have to follow rules to comment on the commit?
[22:34] <blueglasses> eg, is there a all people do this thing when typing what my change does?
[22:35] <blueglasses> or is it freestyle?
[22:35] <mgz> depends on the project, but this is publicly visible
[22:35] <spiv> blueglasses: it's a place for you to describe/summarise the changes, so that people (including yourself) can look at just that message (via e.g. "bzr log") rather than having to look at the exact changes.  It's freestyle.
[22:36] <mgz> when in doubt, try and do the same kind of thing you see others doing when you look at the existing commit messages in the log
[22:36] <mgz> ...is there not a "My First Contribution" guide on launchpad somewhere?
[22:37] <spiv> KombuchaKip: perhaps better to ask in #launchpad.  https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases may help.
[22:37] <KombuchaKip> spiv: Thanks spiv. I didn't realize there was a channel.
[22:37] <spiv> KombuchaKip: not a problem.
[22:38] <blueglasses> thank you
[22:44] <blueglasses> how do i configure the project branch in lauchpad? it says the word for my project is too small
[22:45] <blueglasses> but its already there...
[22:45] <blueglasses> its called story
[23:44] <mgz> is launchpad lagging behind on the bzr branch a known issue?
[23:45] <mgz> I can branch spiv's r5538 but the latest rev on the web page is 5537 and the +activereviews page hasn't twigged it's already been merged.
[23:51] <poolie> mgz, it might be related to an issue with the branch scanner on the weekend
[23:52] <poolie> mwhudson: what do you think?


[02:56] <cythes> Whoot I got my dvd issue fixed!!!!   Good friday morning
[12:42] <JonathanD> Monring (again)
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> hi
[13:11] <JonathanD> This blackberry is broken. It can no longer scroll the right.
[13:11] <JonathanD> The guy doesn't want it replaced because he "likes this one"
[13:12] <JonathanD> hi teddy-dbear
[13:13] <teddy-dbear> o/
[13:25] <waltman> JonathanD: did you ever get that macbook working yesterday?
[13:35] <JonathanD> waltman: waiting for media.
[13:35] <JonathanD> I should go check if he brought it.
[13:35] <JonathanD> waltman: the disk I found was useless.
[13:37] <waltman> bummer
[13:37] <JonathanD> WE're gonna run to microcenter to get a hdd today.
[13:39] <waltman> yay
[13:43] <JonathanD> the guy here couldn't find his.
[13:52] <JonathanD> waltman: do you have an OSX dvd?
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> hi sss
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> err
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> hi ssweeny
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> @seen ssweeny
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[18:06] <ssweeny> hi ChinnoDog
[18:15] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: What are/will you do in DC?
[18:17] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, actually i'll be closer to annapolis, but i'll be visiting my sister
[18:21] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: aww. That is an hour away from here on the other side of DC from me.
[18:22] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, that is... less than optimal
[18:24] <Resistance> ChinnoDog:  fail tabcomplete?
[18:24] <Resistance> :P
[18:24] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: but... zombie games?
[18:24] <ChinnoDog> Resistance: yea, that is what happened all right
[18:26] <Resistance> note to self: when you can drink an entire cup of coffee without realizing you just gulped it down, that's a sign you're too used to coffee, and need something with more bitterness and kick
[18:29] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, another time i guess
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> booreddddd
[18:43]  * Resistance hands MutantTurkey a ball of goo to play with
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> please
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> do somethin
[18:44] <waltman> JonathanD: Not anywhere handy. And probably not for anything later than Tiger.
[18:53] <JonathanD> waltman: ok.
[18:53] <JonathanD> This seems way more complicated than it should be :P
[18:54] <JonathanD> I assume we broke the laws of physics, since macs aren't supposed to have problems, and thats why it's so hard :D
[18:54] <waltman> yeah, that's probably it
[18:55] <JonathanD> waltman: http://osxdaily.com/2010/04/26/boot-keys-for-mac-os-x-system-start/ btw
[18:55] <waltman> I feel the need to point out again that if she'd just been doing regular time machine backups, which Apple makes DIRT EAST, you wouldn't be having these problems.
[18:55] <JonathanD> https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1533 is a more in depth link.
[18:55] <waltman> also EASY
[18:55] <JonathanD> waltman: she says "what are backups" :D
[18:56] <JonathanD> she still doesn't understand I can't get her music off the old disk.
[18:56] <Resistance> JonathanD:  she doesnt know what a backup is???
[18:56] <JonathanD> no.
[18:56] <Resistance> O.O
[18:56] <JonathanD> she doesn't know what a disk is.
[18:56] <JonathanD> actually.
[18:56] <Resistance> holy god...
[18:56] <JonathanD> she assumed I meant a cd.
[18:56] <Resistance> lol
[18:56] <waltman> where's HER install DVD?
[18:56] <JonathanD> waltman: hah.
[18:56] <JonathanD> somewhere.
[18:56] <Resistance> what did she do, did she nuke her computer or something?
[18:57] <waltman> same place mine is!
[18:57] <JonathanD> she got this from her ex, or something.
[18:57] <Resistance> so that's a yes then
[18:57] <Resistance> :P
[18:57] <JonathanD> so I guess he has it.
[18:57] <JonathanD> Resistance: the disk was clicking.
[18:57] <JonathanD> she says it has been since Christmas.
[18:57] <Resistance> ah
[18:57] <Resistance> hardware-failure signs
[18:57] <JonathanD> but that "sometimes it worked ok"
[18:57] <JonathanD> so she kept using it.
[18:57] <Resistance> ...
[18:57] <waltman> starting with Leopard, literally all you have to do for backups is to plug in an external disk.
[18:57] <Resistance> how idiotic are people nowadays...
[18:57] <waltman> Resistance: Very.
[18:57] <Resistance> when people hear  clicking from their computer, most assume that its a bad thing
[18:57] <JonathanD> her sister works here, and we just went over to microcenter.
[18:58] <JonathanD> we bought her a usb drive, waltman
[18:58] <JonathanD> today.
[18:58] <waltman> hah
[18:58] <JonathanD> waltman: is it like win 7 now, where you plug it in, and it says "would you like to backup to this thing?"
[18:58] <waltman> pretty much, yes.
[18:59] <waltman> and then it will keep doing backups every hour until you tell it not to.
[18:59] <JonathanD> the problem with that, waltman...
[18:59] <JonathanD> it assume people read.
[18:59] <JonathanD> people don't read.
[18:59] <JonathanD> A BOX popped up. I must need to close it.
[18:59] <waltman> I could also point out that for $29.99 you could do a fresh install of Lion on there. Maybe more since you'll need some real media.
[19:00] <JonathanD> it's $50 from microcenter.
[19:00] <JonathanD> We saw it there.
[19:00] <waltman> did they still have any snow leopard left?
[19:00] <JonathanD> Not sure.
[19:00] <JonathanD> I didn't look that long, honestly.
[19:00] <JonathanD> She's either gonna get it from her ex, or the other guy here at work will bring his.
[19:01] <JonathanD> I put the new HDD in though.
[19:01] <JonathanD> and fired up ubuntu to make sure it was detected.
[19:04] <waltman> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718 # does anything here help you?
[19:05] <JonathanD> the internet recovery sounds interesting.
[19:06] <JonathanD> it doesn't actually say how to start it though?
[19:06] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: Are you planning on going into DC at all?
[19:07] <MutantTurkey> often the coolest programs have terrible UX
[19:07] <MutantTurkey> general problem in liinux
[19:08] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, not sure yet
[19:08] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, but i doubt it
[19:09] <waltman> UX?
[19:09] <waltman> User Experience?
[19:09] <waltman> er, User eXperience?
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> user experience
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> I dunno
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> what else would yo call it?
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> XL (excel?)
[19:10] <JonathanD> also a silly name
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: in that case, your tweet was highly misleading. :-p
[19:13] <waltman> That's what I thought, but I'm not seeing the connection. I'd have thought that most of the time, having a great user experience would be a big part of making a program cool.
[19:13] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, i will be in the greater DC area, which includes parts that are not in DC
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> My phone contract is up next month. What will I replace it with?
[19:49] <Resistance> the NoPhone service :P
[19:54] <ChinnoDog> HTC Evo 4G looks nice. They fixed the battery issue too.
[19:54] <ChinnoDog> Evo 4G LTE I mean
[19:54] <MutantTurkey> err
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> the nexus 4G is sweet
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> still got my crappy old Galaxy S
[19:55] <MutantTurkey> my mom had her phone stolen and decided to steal my upgrade for a replacement....
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> There will be a Motorola Photon 4G LTE in Q3 most likely. idk if I want to wait
[20:10] <JonathanD> waltman: maybe I should ask the mac group for one :p
[20:16] <waltman> for one what?
[20:17] <waltman> Sadly I didn't officially purchase any upgrades between Tiger and Lion.
[20:17] <waltman> Maybe you could suggest she replace her broken laptop with an iPad :)
[20:18] <JonathanD> hah
[20:18] <JonathanD> waltman: except it's now a working laptop with no OS installed :p
[20:18] <JonathanD> it runs ubuntu just fine.
[20:19] <waltman> Maybe she won't notice!
[20:19] <JonathanD> Right, I'll try that ;)
[20:19] <JonathanD> waltman: my laptop can read the scratched mac disk
[20:20] <JonathanD> or at least it doesn't choke on it.
[20:20] <JonathanD> There isn't a way to copy it to USB or something, is there?
[20:20] <JonathanD> I assume I can't reburn it, looks too big.
[20:21] <waltman> I think Macs can boot off a USB drive. I believe that's how they're distributing Lion on physical media.
[20:22] <JonathanD> But I would need a larger one tha any I think I have here.
[20:22] <waltman> http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A # here you go. $29. free shipping.
[20:22] <waltman> put it on $boss's credit card.
[20:22] <JonathanD> waltman: maybe I could make an iso and unetbootin it :p
[20:23] <waltman> Or maybe you could just pay $29 and get another disk :)
[20:23] <JonathanD> Wheres the challenge in that?
[20:28] <jedijf> i say ubu it
[20:28] <MutantTurkey> RAWWHHHH
[20:28] <jedijf> looks mac'y /enough/
[20:28] <JonathanD> maybe I can boot it from my android tablet.
[20:28] <JonathanD> that sounds like a plan, yes?
[20:28] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: galaxy is only crappy because you refuse to mod it
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> okay i'll do iot
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> today
[20:29] <jedijf> i used serendipity, and <3'd it
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> ok thanks
[20:30] <jedijf> this is in no means an endorsement of violating any preexisting agreements and irc'er is to be held free from any damages or charges that may occur during said 'modding' of device
[20:31] <jedijf> :)
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> i can just reset it anyway no?
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> i don't really care - honestly if my phone broke it would be great.
[20:31] <jedijf> the process i use makes a backup of existing in case you have to reflash
[20:32] <MutantTurkey> welp their links don't work on their webasite
[20:32] <jedijf> actually allows you to use which firmware to boot at hard reset
[20:33] <jedijf> http://serendipityi777.weebly.com/download.html
[20:34] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[20:34] <MutantTurkey> those links are boreke
[20:34] <MutantTurkey> ok i got the zip
[20:35] <MutantTurkey> wait whats this?
[20:35] <MutantTurkey>  http://serendipityrom.weebly.com/download.html
[20:35] <jedijf> i think that's 6.4 the one i used
[20:35] <MutantTurkey> that's 8
[20:35] <jedijf> they're up to 8 now it seems
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> but why different websites?
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> weird
[21:01] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: i suck at this
[21:01] <jedijf> just take your time
[21:01] <jedijf> it's simple
[21:01] <MutantTurkey> pffft
[21:01] <jedijf> read it first
[21:02] <jedijf> all the way thru, get a feel for what you're going to do...then do it, step by step
[21:02] <MutantTurkey> i have no idea where I am supposed to reat
[21:02] <MutantTurkey> read
[21:02] <jedijf> the download page
[21:02] <MutantTurkey> these websites are largely crappy, or based on forums, downloading random zip files from untrusted internet sources with little to no documentation.
[21:02] <jedijf> instructions
[21:02] <MutantTurkey> it's a job.
[21:02] <jedijf> lazy
[21:02] <MutantTurkey> links doen't even work...
[21:29] <JonathanD> Lets have a canoeing geeknic
[21:49] <MutantTurkey> ffuuuu
[21:58] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: i suck at this. i've been reading and trying and it's not at all clear
[22:03] <biobunsai> Hello All:)
[22:10] <biobunsai> Anything good going on?
[22:42] <rmg51> biobunsai: nothing going on here
[23:19] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!


[05:06] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5451 trunk/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Another byte string fix for Gtk.CssProvider.load_from_data.
[05:10] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5452 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/base.py): Drop universal_newlines=True from a subprocess whose output is fed to hashlib.
[05:12] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5453 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/install_misc.py): Open .debs in binary mode when verifying their contents.
[05:17] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5454 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/debconffilter.py): Decode text read from debconffilter subprocesses in Python 3.
[05:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5455 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/filteredcommand.py):
[05:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Only encode preseeded values in Python 2. Python 3's debconf module
[05:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: accepts Unicode strings directly.
[05:30] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5456 trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Remove unnecessary #! lines from non-executable files.
[06:06] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5457 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Encode the second argument to struct.pack.
[09:54] <ray13z> hey, I need help with finding documentation for installing ubuntu 12.04 amd64 with a custom dsdt file. Any help/suggestions please?


[08:42] <Jordan_U> Can someone watch (and likely need to deal with) rick__ in #ubuntu? I'm going to sleep.
[09:01] <ikonia> watching
[13:44] <bazhang> he's done this before. no idea why he cannot install a browser; just "rekonq is broken"
[13:46] <bazhang> kubuntu has another default installed iirc
[13:46] <bazhang> konqueror ?
[13:46] <jussi> no
[13:46] <jussi> Rekonq comes by default
[13:47] <LjL> jussi: konqueror is also installed though, isn't it?
[13:47] <jussi> oh, btw...
[13:47] <jussi> LjL: nope
[13:48] <jussi> ciao!
[13:48] <jussi> !list
[13:48] <jussi> :P
[13:48] <LjL> uhm, i have it installed (precise) and i don't remember installing it, but who knows
[13:49] <jussi> dunno, but why is that guy not in #kubuntu?
[13:49] <Tm_T> Konqueror is part of default Kubuntu install
[13:49] <Tm_T> just not used to anything by default
[13:49] <bazhang> he was yesterday, and daskreech tried to help him, he just gave cryptic answers to troubleshooting
[13:51] <jussi> Tm_T: really? that doesnt sound correct to me - Im pretty sue it was replaced by rkonq...
[13:51] <jussi> bazhang: that doesnt give him an excuse to ask kubuntu questions in #ubuntu....
[13:51] <Tm_T> jussi: hmm, I can check, but I'm still quite sure
[13:51] <LjL> jussi: actually asking KDE/Kubuntu questions in #ubuntu was always considered ok afaik
[13:51] <Tm_T> it is ok
[13:52] <Tm_T> just could be better served at #k
[13:52] <bazhang> he wanted us to explain the "scamware" that was kdewallet and others
[13:52] <LjL> scamware?
[13:52] <bazhang> his word
[13:53]  * jussi wonders is babalu and zlozlz the same...
[13:53] <LjL> certainly the same IP
[14:15] <bazhang> differential updates? rsync + diff ?
[14:17] <LjL> he meant in APT
[14:18] <bazhang> so why is apt different from yum or whatever
[14:20] <LjL> what do you mean? fedora has differential updates for its packages, ubuntu (and apt in general) does not.
 тщ
[14:36] <bazhang> thats like 'pffft'
[14:36] <ikonia> bored of him all ready
[14:38] <jpds> Sometimes you just have to speak the tongue.
[14:39] <bazhang> fbk3 thinks theres a netsplit
[14:40] <ikonia> it's drunk
[14:46] <jpds> Great, now I'm doing Russian support in PM.
[14:46] <ikonia> da
[14:47] <bazhang> jpds, the muted user? or propelldrdnk
[14:47] <jpds> bazhang: The latter.
[14:47] <bazhang> I read that as larter
[14:47] <jpds> bazhang: лол.
[14:48] <bazhang> why is bluetooth built in to ubuntu?
[14:48] <bazhang> is that even a real question?
[15:11] <LjL> @mark #Ubuntu derpies just pasted something that's probably that X-Chat attack, but it might have been a mistaken
[15:11] <LjL> ... or not
[15:12] <Myrtti> tried to be, but wasn't
[15:12] <Myrtti> oh that first one perhaps
[15:55]  * mneptok tut-tuts LjL
[15:55] <LjL> my policy is to correct misinformation :)
[15:55] <mneptok> let's not prolong "what is the most lightweight OS" discussions, hmmm? i'll buy you a Coke ....
[15:56] <mneptok> if i can stop myself from recommending Minix or Haiku ...  O:)
[15:56] <LjL> mneptok: !requirements say it is lighter. if i cannot correct an obvious Ubuntu-related misinformation given in #ubuntu...
[15:57] <Tm_T> I still have those MS DOS 3.2 disks lying somewhere...
[15:57] <LjL> mneptok: i didn't say it was the lightest or anything.
[15:58] <mneptok> LjL: i'm far too uncaffienated to be annoyed to the point that you need to explain anything :)
[16:00]  * LjL refrains from explaining English grammar to jdwhatever wrt comparative adjectives
[16:12] <LjL> bazhang: are you sure? i would say an unsecured wifi connection opens the door to all kinds of nasty remote exploits, since you're using a LAN that anyone can connect to...
[16:12] <bazhang> LjL, looks like a troll to me
[16:13] <LjL> that could be
 zippytech: that problem is a trademark of linux
[16:13] <bazhang> more FUD
[16:14] <LjL> i want to ban him already
 only reach people can afford secure wireless
[16:16] <bazhang> reach = rich, yes?
[16:16] <LjL> that was my interpretation
[16:17] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu jdhfr Prolonged offtopic and irrelevant commenting
[16:23] <bazhang> ufw is no longer updated? really?
[16:23] <jpds> No.
[16:27] <LjL> [17:26:53] <sipior> Boreeas: before you do that, make sure the reserved block percentage on that partition is set to zero: "sudo /sbintune2fs -m 0 /dev/<device>". should give you five percent of the volume back.
[16:27] <LjL> what do we think of this?
[16:28] <Myrtti> sounds dangerous
[16:28] <h00k> wat
[16:28] <h00k> that scares me.
[16:29] <LjL> ftr reserved blocks are for privileged processes to use when the disk is full
[16:29] <Tm_T> awww
[16:29] <LjL> so when user processes see the disk full, root processes will still have 5% free to do their stuff
[16:29] <h00k> reserved blocks may be also used to host backups of the file allocation table, IIRC
[16:30] <h00k> or for remapping of bad blocks
[16:30] <LjL> i'm not thrilled at the idea of people's systems being completely b0rked even from root just because they have filled their drive
[16:30] <h00k> which, I'm pretty sure still happens, blocks going bad.
[16:31] <LjL> i've seen sipior give his own advice before, he's probably knowledgeable but i don't think he should go around recommending changes from defaults just because he thinks those defaults are ancient and outdated, when there's nothing to replace them
[16:31] <Tm_T> LjL: I agree
[16:35] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu sipior recommending removal of any reserved blocks from ext filesystem in order to reclaim space, not giving any due disclaimers about what that might entail
[16:37] <jpds> Alright.
[16:38] <LjL> i'm out of this discussion with him, someone please review it
[16:38] <bazhang> ok
[16:38]  * h00k mewlings with LjL
[16:40] <mneptok> i *certainly* change the 5% reserved to something lower on large volumes. but i always leave something for root to use to get journalling and process handling done.
[16:42] <LjL> mneptok: yes making it smaller makes sense, but he instructed the user to make it zero, and that was (probably, from what could be inferred from the discussion) on the root partition.
[16:43] <mneptok> yeah, i read his tune2fs command
[16:43] <mneptok> just stupid.
[16:44] <LjL> it's an attitude problem anyway, he thinks he can recommend whatever works for him or he thinks makes sense in the channel. that's not afaik how it works.
[16:44] <LjL> i've seen it before, will dig logs
[16:46] <mneptok> "keep users as close as possible to distro defaults" is the primary consideration in an official channel like #u, AFAIC.
[16:47] <Tm_T> yes
[16:47] <bazhang> no webupd8 PPA!!!???
[16:48] <Tm_T> mneptok: we just cannot provide support for any wild configuration people seem to prefer
[16:50] <mneptok> Tm_T: the problem is that we'll try. when that user shows up in 6 months with problems, we'll have no idea that their disk has 0 reserved blocks.
[16:50] <mneptok> if that's the issue, time and effort will be spent needlessly.
[17:13] <Tm_T> mneptok: I know
[17:14] <Tm_T> mneptok: just supporting the "keep users as close as possible to distro defaults" you said earlier as that's not just primary consideration but necessity
[17:36] <bazhang> oracle linux?
[21:24] <LjL> someone confirm that what blitz is using in -ot is the Windows X-Chat exploit
[21:25] <Myrtti> it is
[21:26] <blitz> LjL, I didn't know you wanted me to stop
[21:26] <blitz> I was more than happy to comply
[21:26] <LjL> blitz: i didn't know trying exploits on people's clients was acceptable practice in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:26] <blitz> those were music notes
[21:26] <blitz> and mahjong tiles...
[21:27] <blitz> I wasn't trying to exploit peoples clients
[21:27] <blitz> I don't even know how to do that
[21:27] <blitz> nor would I
[21:29] <blitz> I thought all clients supported UTF-8
[21:29] <blitz> if trying to make smile isn't allowed in #ubuntu-offtopic I won't come back
[21:30] <blitz> make people smile*
[21:30] <AlanBell> blitz: we are trying to figure out what characters they were
[21:30] <blitz> http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
[21:30] <blitz> I was just getting them form there
[21:30] <AlanBell> It doesn't seem anyone sees them as notes and mahjong cards
[21:31] <blitz> im uploading a screenshot
[21:31] <LjL> blitz: look i'll just let you back in for the time being, since i can't say i'm sure it was an exploit attempt. i just really hope it wasn't.
[21:31] <AlanBell> screenshot would still be interesting
[21:32] <AlanBell> blitz: it came through as a replacement character for me at least http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd/index.htm
[21:34] <pangolin> I saw them as notes and majng tiles
[21:34] <blitz> I assume xchat didn't encode it correctly going out then
[21:34] <blitz> or it did
[21:34] <LjL> blitz: ok, thing is, apparently those characters *will* crash some versions of X-Chat, so please avoid them if you can
[21:34] <pangolin> a smiley, ace of clubs...
[21:34] <blitz> http://i.imgur.com/6axgs.png
[21:35] <blitz> k, I was unaware LjL
[21:35]  * AlanBell checks irssi utf-8 settings
[21:35] <LjL> blitz: you're free to rejoin, sorry for the misunderstanding
[21:35] <blitz> np


[00:42] <RAOF> Yo! Anyone running mesa 9.1ish?
[08:33] <mlankhorst> RAOF: it's in canonical-x staging?
[08:33] <tjaalton> it was about a leaky r600, fixed in that version
[08:33] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Yeah; I was just wondering if anyone else was seeing horrible memory leaks; turns out it was just my snapshot.
[08:34] <mlankhorst> right it was a bug in old mesa git, radeon I guess? :P
[08:35] <RAOF> Indeedy.
[17:51] <fmms> any idea for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1116587 ?
[17:54] <tjaalton> fmms: you were here yesterday already
[17:58] <tjaalton> you might get lucky on #intel-gfx
[17:59] <tjaalton> guess I need to try repro that bug with my old x61 & tv
[17:59] <tjaalton> but not today
[18:00]  * bryce waves
[18:00] <fmms> tjaalton, yeah, but i guess not everyone is reading every day ... and i guess it is not a driver issue. i can still go to the console and restarting lightdm works
[18:02] <tjaalton> fmms: enable this ppa https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging and then run 'apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri', do _not_ run dist-upgrade as that'll break unity
[18:02] <tjaalton> it could be a bug in the dri driver, possibly fixed with the new mesa snapshot
[19:21] <exalt> mlankhorst: hey are you there ?
[19:31] <bjsnider> tjaalton, i'm getting tearing if i switch monitor orientation left or right. is that expected?
[19:32] <tjaalton> bjsnider: dunno
[19:32] <tjaalton> sounds like a bug
[20:10] <exalt> hi anyone around with knoledge of linux hybrid graphicscard support in 13.04 ?
[20:10] <mlankhorst> oh
[20:11] <mlankhorst> it's a bonus if it works
[20:12] <exalt> mlankhorst: so you are trying to get it to work ?
[20:12] <exalt> did you get your macbook already ?
[20:33] <mlankhorst> yeah the macbook works, less luck with nouveau :p
[21:06] <exalt> mlankhorst: can you update the launchpad? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-hybrid-graphics
[21:07] <mlankhorst> not much to say there
[21:08] <exalt> is there a better page to monitor the optimus progress?
[21:17] <mlankhorst> reverse optimus probably works on raring, but its slow and no synchronization
[21:28] <exalt> mlankhorst: is it probable that thats going to change within months ?
[21:29] <mlankhorst> nah
[21:29] <mlankhorst> well kernel parts probably working soon, depends a bit
[21:31] <exalt> ill be gone now, expect future kruisverhoren
[21:31] <exalt> :p
[21:31] <exalt> thanx for your information


[00:09] <nomic> why are you worried about wht the greeter looks like
[00:09] <nomic> its the same on mine
[00:09] <nomic> resolves on login
[00:09] <nomic> isn't an issue
[00:12] <Guest69117> well. ok. It seems silly that the greeter resolution can't be changed. It looks crappy on a 4k screen.
[00:13] <ali1234> you can probably change the icon theme
[00:13] <ali1234> it is gtk after all
[00:13] <ali1234> you could also switch to a different front end
[00:13] <ali1234> there are several different ones for lightdm
[00:14] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75755/how-to-change-the-lightdm-theme-greeter
[00:15] <Guest69117> yeah. I figured that i would need to try another greeter. I thought I would ask in case it was a quick fix. Thanks ali1234!
[00:15] <ali1234> i bet the unity greeter handles 4k
[00:15] <ali1234> the greeter completely exits when you log in so it doesn't matter at all which one you use
[00:16] <Guest69117> Cool. Thanks!
[01:05] <MigueMx45> hola estimados linuxeros
[02:30] <aristoteles> Hello?
[02:31] <aristoteles> Nobody there?
[03:42] <TwoNotes1> I have UbuntuMATE 1604.  How do I get ncurses6 on there?   apt search only shows v5 available
[15:36] <funeralparlor> is it possible to instal tor on ubuntu mate?
[17:09] <nandhakumar> hai
[19:29] <mate|11354> hey! Spricht hier wer deutsch? :)
[19:29] <mate|11354> habe ein Problem mit dem mate-panel
[21:05] <_maze> sup
[21:05] <_maze> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "yakkety" 16.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz (1.33GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.9 GiB Total (1.6 GiB Free) Swap: 0 bytes Total (0 bytes Free) • Storage: 9.2 GB / 18.0 GB (8.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 9m 23s
[21:12] <_maze> sup