[12:01] <tiris> Great sources, thanks all. This will keep me going for a while.
[12:01] <Pygi> that docs is one of the best tech docs ever written, so if you wanna read :)
[02:42] <ealden> MarioMeyer: ping
[02:44] <MarioMeyer> pong
[02:46] <MarioMeyer> ealden,
[02:46] <Psi-Jack> saslpasswd2: generic failure <-- Why do I get this error, trying to create a password for a new user, using saslpasswd2 -c -a slapd <username> ?
[02:51] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here? ;)
[05:22] <fabbione> morning
[05:22] <MarioMeyer> morning
[05:23] <MarioMeyer> still night here though :P
[05:23] <nictuku> fabbione, hi
[05:24] <nictuku> fabbione, when you find some time could you please take a look at https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi ?
[05:26] <fabbione> nictuku: will try, but i am really busy
[05:26] <nictuku> ok. It's related to Network Wide Updates
[05:40] <spike> 'morning?
[05:41] <spike> fabbione: arent u on .dk timeframe?
[05:43] <fabbione> spike: yes
[05:49] <spike> eeer, 10 to 6am then, no?
[05:49] <spike> hey ubijtsa, getting ready for work? :)
[05:50] <ubijtsa> spike: just got up yeah :)
[05:50] <spike> how's you besides sleepy? :)
[05:51] <ubijtsa> breakfast now, and then a bath before driving 55 miles up to Aylesbury
[05:51] <ubijtsa> I'm alright.. raised my first ubuntu defect yesterday
[05:51] <ubijtsa> how's things with you then spike?
[05:53] <spike> ubijtsa: fine tnx, got back to .it to setup a new site for a customer, and now I'm kinda tripping around visiting friends before coming back home
[05:53] <spike> had 2 interviews yesterday for new jobs, wish me luck
[05:54] <ubijtsa> good luck (or should I say break a leg) :)
[05:56] <spike> ehehe, break a leg, first time I hear it
[05:56] <spike> any special way you reply to that?
[05:57] <ubijtsa> well, here in .uk they think it unlucky to wish someone luck for some things, so they tell them to break a leg instead, so they really will get the luck they wanted them to get
[05:57] <spike> yeah, same here
[05:57] <nictuku> lol
[05:58] <nictuku> only to some things?
[05:58] <ubijtsa> things get very complicated when you take superstition into account :)
[05:58] <spike> here they say something I'd roughly translate to "in wolf's mouth"
[05:58] <ubijtsa> nictuku: I'm not native so I am not entirely sure :)
[05:58] <spike> and u're supposed to reply "die"
[05:59] <spike> replying "tnx" will bring u *very* bad luck
[05:59] <nictuku> LOL
[05:59] <ubijtsa> spike: oookay, I'll try and remember that one :)
[06:00] <spike> there are "funny" variations, tho, like "in whale's ass", to which u reply "hope it wont fart" :)
[06:00] <spike> dont ask me where it comes from because I've no idea :)
[06:00] <ubijtsa> *loooool*
[06:01] <ubijtsa> pinochio story maybe :)
[06:02] <ubijtsa> that man is *SO* irritating at times
[06:16] <oliver_savage> Is there any reason that I wouldn't want to add "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main" to sources.list? This is for an internet facing production server, I'm wanting to make sure mod_python, etc is patched.
[06:17] <LordHunter317> i cant' think of any reason you wouldn't want to have it.
[06:17] <fabbione> if your machine was properly connected to the internet at install time, that line would be automatically on
[06:17] <fabbione> otherwise it is commented
[06:17] <fabbione> and clearly you want it on
[06:21] <oliver_savage> it doesn't even appear, this was an install on a vps, so the host set it up, sources list only has "deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu breezy main
[06:21] <oliver_savage> " in sources.list. Thank you fabbione!
[08:05] <ruaok> hey ho. anyone awake?
[08:05] <ruaok> I'm trying to install breezy onto system with an i2o controller and I get a kernel panic when the installer loads.
[08:06] <ruaok> anyone know of a workaround?
[08:06] <ruaok> this is for a production system, otherwise I'd try dapper
[10:58] <ubijtsa2> ruaok: this is a dpt_i2o controller?
[10:59] <ubijtsa2> ruaok: like an Adaptec 2100S ?
[11:00] <ubijtsa2> ruaok: if that is the case, you'll either have to use Hoary or Dapper. Breezy is (completely broken|not working) for dpt_i2o.
[11:04] <spike> who was using openqrm in here?
[11:04] <spike> I remember someone asking for it to being included into ubuntu-server, but cant remember the nickname
[11:04] <spike> I'm looking at it, but it's not very clear how it operates and I was wondering if anybody could offer some quick overview
[11:34] <spike> ubijtsa: you there?
[11:34] <spike> ubijtsa2: 2 maybe :)
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> aye
[11:35] <spike> can I query you?
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> schure
[11:35] <ubijtsa2> go ahead :)
[11:35] <spike> tnx
[11:38] <ubijtsa2> spike: query as in 'nmap' or?
[11:38] <spike> no, query as private message
[11:39] <spike> ubijtsa2: cant you read what I wrote? u should have some text from me somewhere
[11:39] <spike> either a new window or server message buffer (iirc u were using irssi,no?)
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> I use kontact
[11:42] <spike> uhm, well, whatever, u should have my stuff somewhere
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> and I seem not to be allowed to send private messages by freenode :(
[11:43] <spike> oh, ubijtsa2 is probably not registered, that's why
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> I can read it.. just can't answer
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> spike: you have jabber?
[11:43] <spike> since they switched to hyperion an anti-spam filter has been introduced so only identified users can send pvt msgs
[11:44] <ubijtsa2> ah
[11:44] <spike> ubijtsa2: /j #spikelab
[04:55] <Pygi> fabbione: ping
[05:43] <Psi-Jack> What is a very lightweight httpd that I could install to temporarily direct /every/ hit to one single .html file, regardless of the URI?
[05:44] <spike> Psi-Jack: thttpd?
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> Can thttpd actually rewrite, or at least redirect all URI's to one file?
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, thttpd has it's own mod_rewrite?
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm,. No, I was apparently thinking lighthttpd==thttpd, which it's not.
[05:46] <spike> Psi-Jack: yes, it's called redirect, a small cgi
[05:47] <spike> nope, those are different things. lighthttpd is indeed light too and very fast for static page serving
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, and no package for ubuntu for lighthttpd, either. ;)
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> So, thttpd might just do the trick.
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Oh wait.
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Does thttpd let you define errorpages?
[05:49] <spike> Psi-Jack: yes
[05:49] <Psi-Jack> Basically, I'm making a temporary non-apache server to handle temporarilly unavailable service.
[05:50] <spike> Psi-Jack: consider that http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/thttpd_man.html has on its main bar the following topics: url rewriting, error codes
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. How about possibly making it also send the errorcode for temporary unavailable?
[05:53] <Psi-Jack> Basically, sending a 503
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Urgh.
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Just to change GENERATE_INDEXES, it requires changing the config.h and re-compiling thttpd? :/
[06:29] <anto9us> does dovecot dictate whether to use maildir/mbox formats or should it be set to match the configuration as dictated elsewhere?
[06:29] <Psi-Jack> Doesn't dovecot only use Maildir?
[06:29] <anto9us> it supports both
[06:29] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[06:30] <anto9us> I'd like to set my system to use Maildir, where is that normailly done, should dovecot do that?
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> Well, that's up to your MTA, or MDA actually.
[06:30] <anto9us> what's the default mda in breezy?
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> But, yes, Dovecot will obviously need to be configured accordingly.
[06:31] <Psi-Jack> There is none.
[06:31] <Psi-Jack> An MDA would be something like procmail, lmtpd, cyrus-imapd, or what-not. What actually handles the DELIVERY from MTA to the final mailbox storage.
[06:32] <anto9us> I see, the jigsaw is making a picture now, thanks
[06:32] <Psi-Jack> MTA == Mail Transfer Agent.. Essentially, the SMTP server. MDA is the Mail Delivery Agent. Often not used, but can be used to setup a medium of how to handle actual delivery.
[06:32] <LordHunter317> if you're using postfix, which is the default MTA when you install one, you configure it there.
[06:32] <LordHunter317> as for davecot, I believe it can use both ,but I could be wrong.
[06:32] <LordHunter317> I know courier only uses maildir.
[06:33] <anto9us> I'm going with postfix
[06:33] <LordHunter317> fwiw though, if you use procmail as well, you need to, as Psi-Jack said, configure procmail to do maildir delivery.
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> I personally recommend the use of LMTP MDA transport. ;)
[06:34] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, why?
[06:34] <Psi-Jack> But, that's because I setup small-to-huge scale mailservers. And LMTP is an excelent protocol for handling such things.
[06:35] <LordHunter317> hwy would you use LMTP unless your MDA only understands LMTP or SMTP?
[06:35] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, well this is my desktop/server at home which will be a failover for work so scalability is important
[06:35] <LordHunter317> if your mailserver has direct disk access to the mailboxes, use procmail or something else that delivers the message directly.
[06:37] <anto9us> all the services will be local to the machine
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> And I stronly advice against procmail, myself. It's outlived it's usefulness. ;)
[06:37] <LordHunter317> compared to?
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Compared to sieve, actually.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> I believe sieve will become the new standard of mail filtering.
[06:40] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, the one in mailutils package?
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> eh?
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Oh, lemme check.
[06:42] <anto9us> This package contains the GNU mailutils versions of dotlock, frm, from
[06:42] <anto9us> guimb, mail, messages, movemail, readmsg and sieve. They are capable
[06:42] <anto9us> of speaking POP3, IMAP, mbox, MH and Maildir.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Oh, could be. ;)
[06:43] <anto9us> it's also in cyrus mail system
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> I'm not honestly familiar with mailutils yet. But I will be.
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Correct. Which is what I personally use.
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> Cyrus made sieve.
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> I'm writing, practically, a book about small to large scale, clusterable servers, which will involve how to setup, mysql, postgresql, or ldap-backed clustered servers, using various MTAs and MDAs to handle everything. :)
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> And actually, I should say, cyrus made the sieve library, and definition of it.
[06:46] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, is cyrus complicated to set up? what I want is an email server setup to support several domains with local delivery, imap support and external access
[06:47] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Postfix and Cyrus-IMAPD actually work rather quite well with each other. Especially since both postfix and cyrus-imapd share the same cyrus-sasl authentication library. But, cyrus-imapd itself, is a bit complicated to setup, initially. It does not store mail in Maildir, mbox, or MH format, it uses it's own berkely-db-capable indexed mailbox storage,.
[06:48] <anto9us> well, I suppose maildir is not critical I just read it was a better option than mbox
[06:48] <Psi-Jack> But, mind you, it does provide IMAP and POP3 retrieval protocols, and LMTP to insert mail. :)_
[06:49] <Psi-Jack> Maildir is definately a MUCH better method than mbox, but it's with it's own problems. There no "standard" means to handle quotas.
[06:50] <anto9us> I'll definitely be running postgresql, if that's a factor anywhere
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> And in fact. The worst thing about Maildir and the implemented sum of methods to handle quotas, revolves around the Maildir message filenames to set the filenames to include each message's content size, in ocets, and to bulk them all up adding that filename-based value together to get the total storage amount used.
[06:51] <anto9us> I'll also possibly run ldap, if I can get my head around it
[06:51] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> Choose one. I don't recommend mixing them, in the overall scheme of things. :)
[06:52] <anto9us> postgresql in place of ldap?
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> postgresql is a very good rdbm, and can in fact, handle quite a serious load if it has to, but depending on the load it'll have, there are times you will absolutely have to run it on a dedicated machine JUST for postgresql.
[06:53] <LordHunter317> what are you intended for using postgres for?
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> Course, this is common for /any/ SQL server. :)
[06:54] <anto9us> postgresql for multiple database applications including the entire UK eroll which is seperated into distinct tables for each postcode
[06:54] <LordHunter317> what?
[06:55] <anto9us> postgresql to store data for web applications run on zope
[06:56] <anto9us> as well as allowing odbc access from gui clients
[06:56] <LordHunter317> as a rule, web and mail shouldn't be mixed where possibile, and if your sites are busy for either, you'll want a dedicated DB server.
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Right, Which is where LDAP holds a strong-point. ;)
[06:57] <anto9us> it's unlikely to exceed more than 20 concurrent users
[06:57] <LordHunter317> Psi-Jack: for authentication and such, sure ;)
[06:57] <anto9us> both machines are raid setups with 2 gigs of ram
[06:57] <Psi-Jack> LordHunter317: Authentications, mailRouting, Accounts, and much more.
[06:57] <anto9us> ie. server in work and at home
[06:58] <LordHunter317> Psi-Jack: i meant in the most generic sense.
[06:58] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[06:58] <Psi-Jack> Like I said, I do small to HUGE scale servers. :)
[06:59] <LordHunter317> you still won't be storing the actual mail in LDAP, which is sorta what I was alluding to.
[06:59] <anto9us> LordHunter317, I do plan to balance the load with dedicated servers later, yes
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> True. :)
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> Then there's dbmail, if you want to actually physically store the mail inside an SQL server. :)
[06:59] <LordHunter317> Thouse Exchange manages to get by with JET, so i suppose it's not impossible.
[06:59] <LordHunter317> i mean, if it can do JET, I bet Ican do OpenLDAP.
[07:00] <anto9us> I think storing as much as I can in postgresql makes backups easier
[07:00] <LordHunter317> yes and no.
[07:00] <LordHunter317> mailservers are still tricky to get a reliable backup of.
[07:00] <LordHunter317> meaning, fully consistent.
[07:00] <anto9us> daily full backup, not going to bother with incremental
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> LordHunter317: Another thing my docs I'm writing will address. ;)
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> Combining DNS, replicating SQL/LDAP servers, and mailbox storage containers.
[07:02] <LordHunter317> sad how immature postgres' replication is.
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> Unlike IBM's "Self-Healing Technology", my own implementation will just plain work from redundancy and duplication, and providing that accross a wide scale. :)
[07:03] <anto9us> LordHunter317, that's something else I was looking at, although, all I need is to back up to the failover
[07:03] <LordHunter317> well, slony-1 can push data to a backup.
[07:03] <LordHunter317> it's the rest of the solution that's immature.
[07:05] <anto9us> I was just going to write a cron scipt to run pg_dump, connecting to both servers
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Let me give you some pointers:
[07:07] <anto9us> so, postgresql mail storage and authentication is possible?
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> First of all, use PostgreSQL only for user information: This means, usernames, passwords, and such. Depending on your choices, this will also include the mailbox location.
[07:08] <anto9us> ok
[07:08] <Psi-Jack> Unless you are going to use dbmail, storing mail itself into SQL is not gonna happen. :)
[07:08] <anto9us> dbmail is in the repos
[07:08] <LordHunter317> and if you're going to do LDAP down the road, skip postgres for auth now and just setup LDAP.
[07:09] <LordHunter317> you're saving yourself a migration and probably a second trip to the ER for alcohol poisioning.
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> hehehehe
[07:09] <anto9us> :)
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: dbmail is indeed, a very nice IMAP/POP3 server, which is being commercially developed, and made opensource.
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> BUT.
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> It's still not quite mature enough for 100% reliable use, depending on how you use it.
[07:10] <Psi-Jack> They're still working on getting some things working, such as libsieve mail filtering, and lmtp.
[07:10] <anto9us> imap is the most important thing to me, people will be accessing email from several machines/locations
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Do you need/want shared mailbox capabilities?
[07:11] <anto9us> some email addresses will need to go to several people
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> That wasn't what I meant. :)
[07:12] <anto9us> what's a shared mailbox?
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> That's another thing, though, you can use SQL/LDAP to handle mailbox/domain aliasing.
[07:12] <anto9us> I'm not going to get this set up tonight am I?
[07:12] <anto9us> :)
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> But, I mean, actual Mailbox sharing. Multiple users being able to read from the same shared mailbox. Wether it's the user's own setting to allow it, or a global shared mailbox.
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: Probably not, not if you want to do it right. ;)
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> The first time.
[07:13] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, shared mailboxes won't be required
[07:15] <Psi-Jack> Okay, then you just opened yourself up to pretty much any mailstorage system. Dovecot, Courier-IMAP, Cyrus-IMAPD, dbmail, etc.
[07:15] <Psi-Jack> How about user-definable mail-filtering rules?
[07:16] <anto9us> that can be configured in the client can't it? thunderbird/evolution
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> I meant server-side.
[07:17] <anto9us> that's extra work for me, I'll leave it to the user
[07:17] <Psi-Jack> If you're going for IMAP, and you want filtering rules, you /want/ it server-side.
[07:17] <anto9us> how would the user configure the server side filtering?
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> If you used Cyrus-IMAPD, there's actually a SquirrelMail plugin to work with making SIEVE scripts, very easily to the user. :)
[07:18] <anto9us> I think the client can do it
[07:19] <anto9us> ok, a bit more traffic but I'm not worried about that
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> Heh, your choice. :)
[07:20] <anto9us> I want to limit the number of components as much as possible for both me and the user
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> Heh. Postfix + Cyrus-IMAPD + PostgreSQL + SquirrelMail is too many components? :)
[07:21] <anto9us> let me look at squirrelmail, brb
[07:23] <Psi-Jack> Quite possibly the best webmail engine out there. Course that's my own opinion. :)
[07:26] <anto9us> I wasn't planning on running a web server other than zope but I think ssl might be a good thing to have so that will probably be apache rewrites, ok, squirrelmail it is
[07:27] <Psi-Jack> Zope is one beast I will never understand. heh
[07:27] <anto9us> yeah, I'm barely guessing my way through it :)
[07:28] <anto9us> fact is, I know how to put up web forms and integrate postgresql with it
[07:28] <Psi-Jack> Well, if you want an easy-to-setup quick escape for postfix+cyrus-imapd, look into WebCyradm.
[07:29] <Psi-Jack> It does handle virtual domains and virtual users. And automatically creates mailboxes within cyrus-imapd when working with it.
[07:30] <anto9us> it's a front-end configuration tool, yes?
[07:30] <Psi-Jack> Web-based front-end configuration tool, yes.
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Made, I think, in PHP, just like SquirrelMail.
[07:31] <anto9us> what about webmin interfaces, any good?
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> I can't comment on webmin interfaces. I haven't researched webmin enough, yet, for my book. :)
[07:32] <anto9us> is your book ubuntu oriented?
[07:32] <Psi-Jack> Specifically, no. It will cover generalizations, nothing Linux or Distribution specific.
[07:33] <Psi-Jack> Basically, it'll cover BSD, Linux, Solaris, etc. Whatever OS's have the capabilities. Which is pretty much anything Non-Windows. :)
[07:34] <anto9us> is it part of an academic project?
[07:34] <Psi-Jack> Nope. Personal project.
[07:35] <anto9us> how are you going to publish it?
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> I have helped people on IRC for a great many years. And throughout those many years, I have learned some of the most useful knowledges, which is basically part of this book. ;)
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> How? Hmmm. Open Document? :}
[07:36] <anto9us> Psi-Jack, yes, I've learned a lot by advisinig people, in my limited capacity, in #ubuntu
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> It's something that'll be free, open, and publically available. With only one wish: If you like it, and you use it, donate. :)
[07:37] <anto9us> nice philosophy, I think people do like to be honourable
[07:37] <Psi-Jack> I just need to figure out what kind of license to "market" it as, so that it can't be used by publishers or authors writing their own books, to use my own material.
[07:38] <anto9us> creative-commons
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, good idea!
[07:38] <anto9us> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_commons
[07:41] <Psi-Jack> Hrmm, the CCL NonCommercial is probably the best fitting.
[07:45] <anto9us> you can reserve more rights than with other licenses, it's actually been criticised for that
[07:46] <Psi-Jack> SOLD on Creative-Commons NonCommercial, especially since it's exactly what I want, plus Google even has a specific search engine for it. :)
[07:46] <anto9us> yeah, there's a number tools for searching creative commons content
[07:46] <anto9us> yahoo has one too
[07:47] <Psi-Jack> Seems to be one of the most flexible, multi-tier licensing arrangements.
[07:54] <anto9us> when are you likely to publish?
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> Heh. It may be a couple months, yet.
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> Writing a book is not exactly one of my strongest fortes. ;}
[07:55] <anto9us> you could feasibly publish before it's complete and welcome some feedback
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> That is one thing I'd planned on doing, is progressively publishing it.
[07:56] <anto9us> get an outline up for the incomplete parts
[07:58] <anto9us> what do you think to this setup? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailServer
[07:59] <Psi-Jack> Looks like a good wiki, actually, at first glance.
[08:00] <anto9us> apparenly we make our decisions as to what is a good/bad website in just a few milliseconds, a scientific study has shown that
[08:01] <anto9us> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4616700.stm
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> Heh yep.
[08:01] <Psi-Jack> I've seen that over the many years. :)
[08:02] <anto9us> social engineering is just as important as any other kind
[08:03] <Psi-Jack> Hey, can I get a quick favor from ya? :)
[08:03] <anto9us> what's that?
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> I need you to hit www.furreville.net and tell me if it's giving you "Service Currently Down" or not.
[08:04] <anto9us> service currently down
[08:04] <Psi-Jack> Perfect.
[08:05] <Psi-Jack> And you get a thttpd footer, yes?
[08:05] <anto9us> yes
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Good. Wanted to make sure, and didn't wanna have to get JAP to test it myself real quick. ;}
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> Bout to move that frackin server to Kubuntu, instead of continuing to do it using Gentoo. heh
[08:07] <Psi-Jack> I got tired of rebuilding cyrus-sasl and openldap to try to get it all to properly do a full SASL LDAPv3 bind, when it wouldn't even use an ldap DN to authenticate too. Something's seriously broken in Gentoo's ebuilds for openldap or cyrus-sasl causing it to just plain not work.
[08:08] <anto9us> it's quite easy to sync 2 ldap servers, yes?
[08:08] <Psi-Jack> Actually, yes. Using slurp
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> You setup one master, and you slurp it to any number of clients.
[08:09] <anto9us> I'm still in 2 minds about whether to use postgresql for auth or storage
[08:09] <anto9us> or is that 4 minds?
[08:09] <Psi-Jack> Hehehe
[08:10] <Psi-Jack> I like my own personal setup. It's a bit heavy on the CPU of all the machines it works with, but it does sooo much. ;)
[08:10] <anto9us> each of the servers is 2Ghz
[08:11] <Psi-Jack> server-side mail filtering, shared mailboxes with user-definately ACLs for each within their own domain, SpamAssassin detection with a bayesian learning, anti-virus checking, and SPL.
[08:12] <anto9us> how long does it take you to set something like that up?
[08:13] <Psi-Jack> With the know-how, roughly a couple hours at most. ;)
[08:13] <Psi-Jack> With my book, and seperating out specific catagories of interest, it'll be about the same, I'd imagine.
[08:13] <anto9us> user-defined ACL, they can log in and change username/passwords?
[08:14] <Psi-Jack> anto9us: ACL == Access Control List. (but yes, they can login and change their username/password from SquirrelMail, too). The ACLs allow them, within SquirrelMail, to make specific mailboxes of their own, allow other users within their domain to access it. Wether read-only, or even write/delete access. Their choice.
[08:15] <anto9us> squirrelmail is intuitive for users?
[08:16] <Psi-Jack> It itself is, yes. With the plugins, makes it versatile. ;)
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Aww man.. :/
[08:17] <Psi-Jack> Thjere's no mysql 5 packages in ubuntu. :(
[08:21] <anto9us> it's in dapper
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> Damnit. :/
[08:22] <anto9us> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/misc/mysql-server
[08:22] <Psi-Jack> Guess I could always... Use the deb-src. heh
[08:27] <anto9us> so, If I go postfix/maildir/dovecot, other than authintication stuff all I need to do is tell postfix to where to push them and dovecot where to pull them, right?
[08:32] <Psi-Jack> Correct.
[08:33] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. I've gotta run, and start building my new server back up. \
[08:35] <anto9us> thanks for the tips :)
[10:58] <Pygi> fabbione: ping
[11:00] <nictuku> fabbione, hi. Did you find some time to take a look at nwu?
[11:03] <nictuku> it's in https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi/ =)
[11:05] <Pygi> nictuku: seems he is not around currently
[11:06] <nictuku> indeed 3 hours idle
[11:07] <MarioMeyer> heya chara :P
[11:07] <Pygi> hello chara :P what's up?
[11:08] <nictuku> hehe xar!
[11:08] <MarioMeyer> trying to package a dependency of NWU :P
[11:09] <Pygi> chara: AH :)
[11:09] <Pygi> trying to think of a slogan currently :p
[11:09] <nictuku> slogan for what?
[11:10] <MarioMeyer> heya.. ajmitch_ back :P
[11:10] <ajmitch_> yes?
[11:10] <MarioMeyer> i made the setup.py for that app i wanted to create :P
[11:10] <ajmitch_> ok
[11:11] <MarioMeyer> how should i procede?
[11:11] <nictuku> are you paying for these packaging classes with ajmitch_ ?
[11:11] <nictuku> hehe
[11:11] <MarioMeyer> lol
[11:11] <Pygi> nictuku: my IM application :)
[11:13] <nictuku> I have a great idea. "Instant message, now!".  You don't count.
[11:14] <Pygi> lol :)
[11:14] <nictuku> I mean, you're not sensible enough
[11:14] <nictuku> hehe
[11:15] <MarioMeyer> lol
[11:15] <nictuku> also called "most unwanted collaboration"
[11:20] <MarioMeyer> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS#line-791
[11:20] <MarioMeyer> is this a good example?


[00:08] <hansin> I figured it out in regards to Exim4.  "mysql-server-5.0" recommends "mailx" which depends on "exim4".  I used apptitude, and don't remember it asking me if I wanted to install the recommends files, but this has to be it, and maybe it installed by default.  Thanks for the help; I'm learn new bits all the time and appreciate the tips.
[00:09] <hansin> meaning installed the depends files by default...
[00:09] <hansin> woops, recommends...
[00:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #243098 in samba (main) "samba in folder properties doesn't interact with samba in system administration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243098
[01:17] <ScottK> mathiaz: ^^^ We ought to make sure that our mysql package in Intrepid doesn't install exim4.
[01:24] <mathiaz> ScottK: right - that would be annoying
[02:37] <leonel> ScottK: I'll check that  MIR  ..
[02:39] <ScottK> leonel: Thanks.
[02:39] <ScottK> It's mostly just grinding through documenting stuff.
[02:40] <leonel> this is intended for Intrepid right ?
[02:41] <osmosis> Can anyone tell me what this from my dmesg is being caused by? http://dpaste.com/59176/   2.6.24-19-server
[02:42] <ScottK> Yes
[02:50] <ScottK> leonel: The first thing to do is look at all the depends, recommends, and build-depends and see what is in Universe.  I don't think we want to promote all of clamav to Main, just clamd and the parts it needs.
[02:56] <leonel> ScottK: ok  it's a new thing for me  ..
[02:56] <leonel> ScottK: but I'll do it
[02:57] <ScottK> leonel: Great.
[02:59] <leonel> ScottK:  off the record ...  I'm finishing some work that has me busy this months and I want to start with merges ..
[03:01] <ScottK> This probably isn't the best place for off the record comments.
[03:01] <leonel> jejeje
[03:02] <leonel> i know ..
[03:54] <c1|freaky> how do I back up a gpg-key-pair ive generated using gpg --gen-key ? i know it's ID but don't know how to export or whatever you do with it to back it up oO
[05:50] <Ashfire908> I'm trying to get Apache2 to use the php-cgi package, but when I visit a page, it offers to download the php page insteand of processing it. I've tried switching back to the apache module but the same thing happenes.
[05:59] <Ashfire908> Anyone know how to solve it?
[06:03] <chmac> Ashfire908: I had a similar problem when I was setting up a box. I removed apache and all the php stuff, then re-installed, and it worked
[08:05] <exot> hello, please can any body help me to configure bugzilla to send mails, using either SMTP or sendmail, I spent 8 days for nothing
[08:11] <RockHound> sommer: you up?
[08:27] <kraut> moin
[09:01] <exot> hello, I'm trying to  configure sendmail, but I get the messagestart-stop-daemon: stat /usr/sbin/sendmail-mta: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
[09:01] <exot> /etc/init.d/sendmail: 1287: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: not found
[09:25] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #243157 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1 failed to install/upgrade: probl?mes de d?pendances - laiss? non configur?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243157
[13:33] <sommer> RockHound: yo
[13:34] <RockHound> sommer: ^^
[13:35] <RockHound> sommer: I don't think that the start_tls issue has anything to do with the indexes, as I tested against a newly (with hardy-proposed) slave server
[13:35] <RockHound> amongst others
[13:35] <RockHound> but I posted them in any case
[13:36] <sommer> RockHound: ya, it was kind of a long shot... I just noticed that it happaned far less once I indexed, so thought I'd double check
[13:36] <sommer> I think what the issue needs is a stack trace either slapd or php5-ldap that shows an error
[13:37] <RockHound> sommer: I have never done such a thing but am always will to learn ... any good documentation that can be recommend?
[13:38] <RockHound> sommer: could we check what version of libldap authnz-ldap (apache2 acutally) and php5-ldap are compiled against? or are they dynamically linked?
[13:38] <sommer> RockHound: not too sure on that myself, you should probably look at strace
[13:39] <sommer> RockHound: not 100% sure on that either, but my money is on gnutls having slightly different behavior.  At least that seems to be one of the new things with the Hardy versions
[13:40] <sommer> but until there's something concrete to point to and say this is the cause, it's kind of hard to solve the bug
[13:40] <RockHound> hmm .. openldap with gnutls was really foobar for a while ... don't know if that still is the case though
[13:40] <sommer> I'll probably have some more time this weekend to dive into it
[13:40] <sommer> RockHound: I think it's pretty solid, but still maybe some corner cases that have some glitches
[13:41] <sommer> or things just not tested as thouroughly
[13:41] <sommer> I think experimenting with strace is the best place to start
[13:58] <barjoman> Greetings
[13:59] <barjoman> I've just installed Ubuntu Server Edition 7.10. Unfortunately, my user does not have sudo privileges
[13:59] <barjoman> Any help with that would be appreciated
[14:01] <barjoman> anyone here?
[14:01] <lukehasnoname> he was impatient
[14:02] <barjoman> hi
[14:02] <barjoman> anyone here?
[14:02] <ScottK> Yes
[14:02] <barjoman> Great!
[14:03] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: The answer to your question from yesterday is softlayer.com
[14:03] <barjoman> I've just installed server v. 7.10, but unfortunately, my user does not have sudo privileges. I'm the only user installed...
[14:03] <lukehasnoname> awesome
[14:03] <sommer> ScottK: morning, I wasn't able to update my clamav team status... it's telling me I have three days left, until armameddon
[14:04] <ScottK> barjoman: What is the exact error you get?
[14:04] <ScottK> sommer: Looking.
[14:04] <barjoman> ScottK: "sudo -v" yields: "Sorry, user barjoman may not run sudo on master"
[14:07] <ScottK> Odd.
[14:07] <ScottK> I know that doesn't help much.
[14:07] <barjoman> hehe...
[14:07] <RockHound> barjoman: but you setup a user on installation? is that the same user?
[14:07] <barjoman> Rockhound: the only user set up on installation was barjoman
[14:07] <RockHound> okay
[14:07] <RockHound> hmm
[14:07] <ScottK> sommer: Updated.
[14:07] <barjoman> I'm currently logged in as "barjoman@master"
[14:07] <sommer> ScottK: cool, thanks
[14:07] <RockHound> barjoman: and the installation went without a problem?
[14:07] <barjoman> Rockhound: I didn't see anything unusual. No errors or anything...
[14:08] <RockHound> barjoman: are you experienced with ubuntu/linux?
[14:08] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain is updated if anyone feels like working on Main Inclusion Reports.
[14:08] <RockHound> I only see the chance of booting from a livecd and checking out /etc/group and /etc/sudoers
[14:08] <barjoman> Rockhound: No I'm not. I've worked a bit with the desktop edition, but I am still very much an amateur
[14:09] <RockHound> barjoman: then do yourself a favor and try to install it again ...
[14:09] <barjoman> Rockhound: Should I boot from livecd first, or just go for the fresh install?
[14:09] <ScottK> Wasn't there some bug about sudo and hostname mismatches?
[14:10] <RockHound> barjoman: its your time, but I would just reinstall, since you have not customized anything yet ...
[14:10] <ScottK> It might be useful to have some idea what he should do differently next time.
[14:11] <RockHound> true
[14:11] <ScottK> barjoman: Is it DCHP or static IP?
[14:11] <RockHound> ScottK: maybe it was just a wierd coninciedence ...
[14:11] <barjoman> ScottK: I'm using a DSL connection, so I think its DHCP
[14:11] <RockHound> a look in /etc/group and /etc/sudoers might help
[14:12] <RockHound> barjoman: you have router?
[14:12] <RockHound> from the ISP?
[14:12] <barjoman> Rockhound: yes, and yes
[14:12] <RockHound> barjoman: okay ... then it could be a DNS glitch ... ScottK what do you think?
[14:13] <RockHound> hostname glitch
[14:13]  * ScottK is looking at bugs.
[14:13] <ScottK> Wait one please.
[14:13] <RockHound> k
[14:13] <RockHound> barjoman: did it suggest a hostname to you while installing, other then the standard "ubuntu"?
[14:14] <barjoman> Rockhound: I think I changed that to "master"
[14:14] <RockHound> but it was just ubuntu?
[14:14] <barjoman> yes
[14:14] <RockHound> okay ... then DHCP did not supply a hostname
[14:14] <RockHound> which is okay, I guess
[14:14] <RockHound> lets wait for Scott
[14:14] <barjoman> OK. I'm fetching a liveCD in the meantime
[14:15] <ScottK> Which version are you one again?
[14:15] <barjoman> the Server edition is 7.10
[14:16]  * ScottK tosses Bug #19775 at barjoman to see what he thinks.
[14:16] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 19775 in netcfg "Missing hostname in /etc/hosts causes sudo to fail" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19775
[14:21] <barjoman> Thanks ScottK. I gather the easiest fix is an upgrade to 8.04, correct? That isn't possible right now though. I'm booting with a liveCD to look into the /etc/sudoers folder
[14:22] <ScottK> Sounds like a good plan.
[14:25] <barjoman> alright
[14:25] <barjoman> Unfortunately, I don't have permission to look at sudoers
[14:25] <barjoman> I've opened up group though
[14:26] <barjoman> is there anything I should be looking for?
[14:27] <yell0w> edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and reboot ?
[14:27] <RockHound> barjoman: make sure, you are looking at the /etc/sudoers file of the harddisk and not of livecd
[14:27] <barjoman> Rockhound: I am looking at the HD
[14:28] <barjoman> yell0w: what exactly would I edit?
[14:28] <RockHound> barjoman: okay ... does the bug effect you?
[14:29] <barjoman> Rockhound: what do you mean? I definitely have the problem. Do you mean, do I have to use sudo?
[14:29] <RockHound> no, no ... is the hostname missing in /etc/hosts as is stated in the bug
[14:30] <RockHound> ?
[14:30] <barjoman> hold on
[14:30] <barjoman> yes
[14:31] <barjoman> in /etc/hosts, the first line reads as follows:
[14:31] <barjoman> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[14:31] <RockHound> okay ... can you edit hosts?
[14:31] <barjoman> yes
[14:31] <RockHound> then add master after it
[14:31] <RockHound> make sure you edit /etc/hosts on the HDD
[14:32] <barjoman> So it should read as follows:
[14:32] <barjoman> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost master
[14:32] <RockHound> yes
[14:32] <barjoman> correct?
[14:32] <RockHound> yes
[14:32] <RockHound> should be all there is too it
[14:32] <barjoman> do I space or tab?
[14:32] <RockHound> space
[14:32] <barjoman> between localhost and master?
[14:32] <barjoman> ok
[14:33] <RockHound> it does not matter, IIRC
[14:33] <barjoman> hmmphhh....I don't have permission to save the file
[14:33] <barjoman> lemme double check that I'm editing on the HD
[14:36] <barjoman> doesn't work unfortunately
[14:37] <barjoman> I am indeed editing the file on the HD, but can't save it
[14:40] <yell0w> sudo ?
[14:41] <barjoman> I am attempting to edit /etc/hosts
[14:41] <RockHound> barjoman: you need to use the livecd sudo command to edit the /etc/hosts on your HDD
[14:41] <RockHound> I guess
[14:41] <yell0w> sudo vi /etc/hosts
[14:41] <barjoman> Does that mean I need to open a terminal?
[14:41] <yell0w> sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[14:42] <yell0w> yes
[14:42] <RockHound> yell0w: better choice ;)
[14:42] <yell0w> RockHound: not on terminal
[14:42] <RockHound> yell0w: vi for a beginner is not a good choice ...
[14:42] <RockHound> thats what I meant
[14:43] <RockHound> but gedit is fine
[14:43] <RockHound> seems to work
[14:43] <mouz> (sorry if wrong channel: no answer in #ubuntu-testing) Is it OK if tests 2.3 through 2.9 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall are combined (combining the software selection steps)? It would make ISO server testing faster.
[14:44] <barjoman> livecd seems to have frozen on me
[14:44] <barjoman> I'm going to reboot
 One of you UK blokes, how much does petrol cost per litre over there?
[14:47] <sommer> mouz: I don't combine them
[14:48] <barjoman> yell0w/Rockhound: Terminal edits the file on liveCD
[14:49] <sommer> mouz: the thinking is that it's "cleaner" to test individually, but OTOH testing a combination is probably good as well... at least that's my thought :)
[14:50] <mouz> sommer: i won't combine them. thanks
[14:51] <sommer> np
[14:52] <barjoman> OK! Done!!!
[14:52] <barjoman> I just did: "sudo gedit /media/disk/etc/hosts" instead
[14:55] <barjoman> Unfortunately, "sudo -v" still yields "Sorry, user barjoman may not run sudo on master"
[14:55] <barjoman> I need to leave right now, but I'll be back later to follow up on this
[14:56] <barjoman> Thank you Rockhound, yell0w, and ScottK for your help
[14:56] <barjoman> Cheers!
[16:35] <zul> mathiaz: I may have a fix for the cacert gnutls openldap bug Im going to get him to test it when it builds in my ppa
[16:35] <mathiaz> zul: great - is it a patch from upstream cvs ?
[16:36] <zul> mathiaz: no its from a previous version of openldap which got dropped in oenldap2.1
[16:36] <zul> previous debian version
[16:36] <mathiaz> zul: it may worth asking upstream opinion on it
[16:36] <zul> and the bacula-fd segfault is fixed locally as well
[16:36] <zul> of course
[16:37] <mathiaz> zul: that seems like a bug in upstream rather then a packaging issue
[16:37] <zul> mathiaz: the bacula one? it is they have a patch in 2.2.10 which fixes it for 2.2.8, I had to revert debian's "fix"
[16:38] <mathiaz> zul: nope - I'm talking about openldap
[16:38] <zul> mathiaz: oh :) yeah its a bug in upstream I dont think they ever got that patch from debian
[16:39] <zul> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-openldap/openldap/trunk/libraries/libldap/?rev=220&sc=1
[16:40] <mralphabet> is there a flat file dictionary in apt? or anybody know where to get one?
[16:41] <zul> mralphabet: what do you mean?
[16:41] <zul> or what are you trying to do?
[16:46] <ScottK> Note to self: It's Wietse Venema, not Weitse.
[17:02] <melter> how do i get ubuntu server to automatically set the hostname from a dhcp server, for example, dynXXX.example.com?
[17:02] <Tophat> is it possible to replace my current windows servers with ubuntu server and have my users use ubuntu and have them log into the said servers as they would with MS domains?
[17:03] <bamed> Tophat: yes, Samba can be configured as a Windows PDC, however it can't serve AD just yet, it acts like an NT4 PDC
[17:04] <Tophat> well im not trying to add ubuntu to my network, im looking into removing windows and replacing it with linux.  so no need for any windows PC's.  we just need to have the users log in to the ubntu server and get the updates or settings we have configured for them. ? possible?
[17:05] <bamed> what kind of updates or settings, or you talking about Group Policies and WSUS?
[17:06] <bamed> you can use Samba in Ubuntu as a central login server and to provide share
[17:06] <bamed> *shares
[17:06] <Tophat> really?
[17:06] <Tophat> i thought samba was jsut to link windows shares and stuff.
[17:07] <bamed> like I said, it can have all the functionality of a Windows NT4 Primary Domain Controller
[17:07] <bamed> just no Active Directory until Samba4 is released
[17:07] <Tophat> thats awesome! and i can add users and delete users from the samba server for the entire network?
[17:08] <bamed> yep, I think there's a guide in the wiki somewhere
[17:08] <bamed> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba <-lots of useful info
[17:08] <Tophat> thats awesome! thanks bamed!
[17:08] <bamed> y/w
[17:16] <ScottK> melter: If the dhcp server provides the hostname, then an Ubuntu server should set it if it's setup for dhcp.
[17:27] <melter> ScottK, i have dhcp3-client installed, and it's not working
[17:28] <melter> ScottK, the dhcp server is providing names because my non-ubuntu boxes are getting set correctly
[17:28] <ScottK> Not sure what to tell you then.  Maybe someone else knows.
[17:29] <jdstrand> zul: hmm, I haven't gotten to looking into bug #241448 more yet, but it feels like the samba changes exposed a gstreamer bug" bug #61147 and gnome bug #359133 (and gnome bug #536949 )
[17:29] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 241448 in totem "Playing from Samba SMB shared folder now is not possible (it could be done until last upgrade)." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241448
[17:29] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 61147 in totem "edgy: totem can no longer stream from samba share (dup-of: 60326)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61147
[17:29] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 60326 in gnome-vfs2 "[edgy] gstreamer, rhythmbox won't read files over smb" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60326
[17:29] <uvirtbot`> Gnome bug 359133 in Module: smb "[gnomevfssrc] smb:// - could not read from (valid) resource" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359133
[17:29] <uvirtbot`> Gnome bug 536949 in GStreamer backend "Can not read from Samba location with weird charaters" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536949
[17:30]  * jdstrand high fives uvirtbot`
[17:55] <zul> jdstrand: *sigh*
[17:56] <zul> jdstrand: I think the desktop team knows about it
[17:56] <jdstrand> zul: I am still not sure if it was the -updates bits or the -security bits, but hope to get to the bottom of it
[17:56] <jdstrand> somewhat soon
[17:57] <jdstrand> I've got some -security stuff that needs to get out before I can work on it though
[17:57] <zul> jdstrand: cool Ill take a look but you arent able to reproduce it are you?
[17:58] <jdstrand> zul: no, but more information came in-- specifically that mounting seems to work fine in all cases.  that was my test case-- I didn't do the nautilus browse and play-- I did mount, nautilus to mount point, play
[17:58] <jdstrand> zul: also, people finally sent in smb.conf files for their servers
[17:59] <zul> jdstrand: yeah I saw
[17:59] <jdstrand> zul: like I said, I haven't had much time to look into it yet
[18:08] <bdmurray> kirkland: is there a sort by date option for the doc search?
[18:08] <kirkland> bdmurray: how do you mean?
[18:09] <bdmurray> I'm search irclogs only and want the most recent conversations first
[18:09] <kirkland> bdmurray: sorry, no, it's up to google's algorithm at that point
[18:10] <zul> jdstrand: doesnt help that gnome's bugzilla seems to be down for me
[18:11] <jdstrand> :(
[18:11] <kirkland> bdmurray: hang on... i found a lead....
[18:12] <bdmurray> being able to search the irclogs is really helpful
[18:14] <kirkland> bdmurray: hmm, not sure this is going to help much, but this is what I have at my disposal...
[18:14] <kirkland> bdmurray: http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/reference.html
[18:14] <kirkland> bdmurray: see "Date Restricted Search"
[18:15] <kirkland> bdmurray: unfortunately, the format must be Julian dates
[18:15] <bdmurray> haha
[18:15] <kirkland> bdmurray: number of days since January 1, 4713 BC
[18:15] <kirkland> :-P
[18:15] <bdmurray> that's great
[18:15] <kirkland> bdmurray: right, because the sum total of a webpages update between January 1, 4713 BC and about 1993 is a whopping ZERO
[18:18] <bdmurray> kirkland: inurl might work better since the log files are dated
[18:18] <kirkland> bdmurray: yeah, good call
[18:18] <kirkland> bdmurray: apparent the Google Search Appliance supports human readable formats:
[18:18] <kirkland> http://code.google.com/apis/searchappliance/documentation/46/xml_reference.html
[18:19] <kirkland> bdmurray: ie, daterange:2004-01-13..2006-01-13
[18:34] <ScottK> leonel and anyone else interested (sommer?): I've done some MIR for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain to get things started.  Please jump in and grab some.
[18:36] <sommer> ScottK: cool, ya I was planning on taking a look at that this weekend... working on some LDAP shtuff that will hopefully be over the hump by then
[18:36] <ScottK> Great.
[18:36] <ScottK> The MIR for spamassassin are all perl modules.  They should be pretty easy, just a lot to grind through.
[18:36] <FuRom> Anyone in here know anything about ettercap and filters?
[18:37] <ScottK> sommer: I'm also going to want to talk to you about documentation for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerAmavisdDKIMSpec
[18:38] <leonel> ScottK: in the weekend  I'll  work on it
[18:38] <sommer> ScottK: sure, I'm up for helping with whatever
[18:39] <ScottK> Great.
[18:40] <ScottK> I'm trying to get the DKIM MIR done today.
[18:40] <FuRom> I could use some help with ettercap filtering. I'm trying to run http://pastie.org/222744 and it doesn't change "Google" to "GOOGLE" at all, when I go to google.com, when I'm running the filter. Is there some extra library that I need to install or something to make filter's work? It runs through the if statement. It'll return text from msg(), but if I search DECODED.data or DATA.data, for "Google", it doesn't find anything. I
[18:40] <FuRom> Gah, lol
[18:40] <FuRom> Wrong room xD
[18:58] <melter> does anyone know how to get ubuntu to set the hostname to the one provided by the dhcp server?
[19:31] <melter> if i install another dhcp client, like pump, how does ubuntu server know which client to use at boot time, dhclient or pump?
[19:41] <loeppel> hi there
[19:42] <lukehasnoname> melter and loeppel: A lot of times this channel is slow, so be patient for someone who might be able to help.
[19:42] <lukehasnoname> just letting you guys know
[19:43] <loeppel> ;)
[19:44] <melter> lukehasnoname, i've been trying to solve this problem off and on for weeks now, so i've learned to have patience :)
[19:45] <loeppel> i'm trying to backport php 5.2 to dapper - first i tryed prevu but this fails cause of some issues if pbuilder and local repos
[19:45] <loeppel> but then i found dotdeb which contains a php 5.2.6 for debian sarge and etch
[19:46] <loeppel> but it seems that the package names between ubuntu and debian differs
[19:46] <loeppel> :(
[19:48] <loeppel> but they building them with libapr0 and the ubuntu gutsy source package need libapr1 - so i think this is required by a patch?
[20:10] <axisys> how do I get a restart notification after apt-get upgrade done kernel update ?
[20:18] <mralphabet> zul: grep SomeStringOfLetters SomeDictionary
[20:19] <mralphabet> zul: is what I am trying to do, though i can't seem to find 'SomeDictionary' to sue
[20:19] <mralphabet> use even
[20:20] <zul> mralphabet: im missing the context for this
[20:21] <mralphabet> 10:38 < mralphabet> is there a flat file dictionary in apt? or anybody know where to get one?
[20:21] <ScottK> mathiaz: All the MIR for the DKIM spec are done and waiting for ubuntu-mir to process them.
[20:21] <mralphabet> 10:38 < zul> mralphabet: what do you mean?
[20:21] <mralphabet> 10:39 < zul> or what are you trying to do?
[20:22] <mralphabet> zul: sorry, I know it has been a few hours
[20:23] <zul> then can you restare what you are doing then?
[20:25] <mralphabet> zul: what I want to do is be able to grep a dictionary file
[20:25] <zul> mralphabet: so grep [a-z]* filename
[20:26] <mralphabet> right, the piece I am missing is 'filename'
[20:27] <mralphabet> I am trying to find some sort of flat file dictionary or other dictionary file that is easily grepable
[20:32] <thinkmassive> I left an install running on a VM over night and now it is stuck at "Select and install software" at 80% on "Configuring openssh-server"
[20:32] <thinkmassive> is there some way to get the status on another console, to see what processes are running?
[20:33] <thinkmassive> I'd rather not quit the installer and start from scratch since it's this far
[20:35] <_sourcemaker> i have installed the ubuntu server edition and it's working pretty cool... are there documentation to secure the server (LAMP) as well as installing security updates?
[20:36] <_sourcemaker> i have installed the ubuntu server edition and it's working pretty cool... are there documentation to secure the server (LAMP) as well as installing security updates?
[20:38] <ScottK> _sourcemaker: You should probably be looking in https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[20:55] <lukehasnoname> A ban on handguns in Washington DC has been ruled unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court.
[20:56] <axisys> how do I cacth the restart notification? after all I am not using in this gui
[20:56] <axisys> s/cacth/catch/
[21:07] <mathiaz> ScottK: awesome !
[21:07] <c1|freaky> is there any websoftware (webinterface) to manage documents etc.?
[21:08] <ScottK> Of course that needed only 6.  Spamassassin needs 14 (12 still needed).
[21:23]  * yarddog buys an AK47 for the house
[21:24] <yarddog> hehe, wrong window
[22:31] <jdstrand> c1|freaky: I have used docmgr in the past, but it isn't packaged
[22:31] <c1|freaky> jdstrand: ok thank you ill have a look at it :D
[23:32] <nxvl> soren: around?


[22:59] <werenerd> lamur: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[22:59] <DexterF> lamur: just create a mount point to your liking.
[23:00] <DexterF> werenerd: heh. after years of slackware one simply isn't used to having such info at a mouse click :)
[23:00] <werenerd> DexterF: lol, no I wouldn't imagine so
[23:00] <werenerd> lamur: http://hacktivision.com/index.php/2008/02/24/how-to-mount-iso-images-in-ubuntu-the-ea?blog=2
[23:00] <Guest14345> hlaaa#
[23:00] <werenerd> lamur: that is easier instructions
[23:01] <blodyx> a package with all codecs or something would be good...
[23:01] <DexterF> blodyx: w32codecs installed?
[23:02] <blodyx> i think so
[23:02] <DexterF> werenerd: I disagree with this being easier than sudo mount -o loop,rw /pathtoiso /pathtosomemountpoint. it's more mouseriderish and doesn't invole much of a command line interface.
[23:03] <DexterF> bloodboy: well... then perhaps your camera uses some odd file type. I'd google around what the cam actually uses, ensure it's only files from that cam and perhaps talk to the.. xine or mplayer mailing list.
[23:04] <werenerd> DexterF: the command line can be very intimidating. While you and I may understand that, I don't know lamur's level of expertise
[23:04] <werenerd> DexterF: I thought that page was pretty simple and a GUI takes away a lot of the fear for newer people
[23:05] <DexterF> werenerd: yes, it can. but it's poooowerful :)
[23:05] <DexterF> and fast
[23:05] <werenerd> aye
[23:05] <werenerd> that it is
[23:05] <DexterF> people should understand that noone here will attempt to coax them into erasing their harddrives and give it a shot
[23:05] <willluongo> Hello, I am having a strange problem with xorg... I have a single user (main user) on my Kubuntu 8.04 box that resets the resolution to 800x600 everytime I log in. Every other user maintains correct resolution of 1280x1024. Any ideas?
[23:06] <DexterF> I have a bit of a fear linux will become just another mouse hustler OS someday replacing the computer literate with some zombie user
[23:06] <werenerd> DexterF: pfft! Never
[23:06] <DexterF> (no offense lamur :) )
[23:07] <DexterF> werenerd: well, surely not with debian and gentoo around... wonder what these guys would do if they hadn't something to tinker with... :)
[23:08] <DexterF> then again I have to admit sometimes I'd really like somthing like daemon tools for kde... rightclick, select mount point, choose image, bam. or a context menu for konqueror "mount this iso to /mnt/iso[1234]"
[23:09] <werenerd> DexterF: speaking of KDE,  Is there another KDE+Debian distro that you have tried?
[23:09] <DexterF> werenerd: well - debian
[23:09] <lamur> i am a eginer
[23:10] <lamur> sorry i am a beginner
[23:10] <DexterF> lamur: no problem
[23:11] <werenerd> DexterF: you have tried debian proprer? I was curious, does it come with any of the nice config tools like Kubuntu?
[23:11] <DexterF> better a linux newbie than a windows wizard ;)
[23:11] <werenerd> I like GUI's too
[23:11] <DexterF> werenerd: "proprer"?
[23:12] <lamur> but can you help me with another command or maybe a aplication
[23:12] <willluongo> werenerd: By default debian comes with gnome, but you can just install kde with aptitude or apt-get or adept or... ;)
[23:12] <werenerd> DexterF: not a deviation or a vanilla install
[23:12] <willluongo> I run debian on every thing except this machine
[23:12] <DexterF> werenerd: well, debian etch - 4.0. plus some backports perhaps.
[23:12] <werenerd> willluongo: do you get the option during install to pick GNOME or KDE?
[23:13] <willluongo> werenerd: Not with the regular installer
[23:13] <lamur> like you guys sad the command is a little bit  to strong i do know how to do it in a proper way
[23:13] <DexterF> my other two boxes (multimedia machine and file server) run debian 4.0 at the moment
[23:13] <DexterF> there's actually 3 CD images: one standard (gnome), and one each for kde and xfce
[23:13] <werenerd> willluongo: crap. You say regular installer, what are the others?
[23:13] <DexterF> like with [kx]ubuntu
[23:13] <werenerd> DexterF: oh, well that works then
[23:13] <willluongo> werenerd: see DexterF's above
[23:14] <DexterF> willluongo: isn't the graphical installer default by now...?
[23:14] <willluongo> DexterF: nope
[23:14] <willluongo> DexterF: Well, ansi graphics yes, like ubuntu's? no lol
[23:14] <werenerd> willluongo: does it have the nice config tools like Ubuntu variants? I like the control center
[23:15] <DexterF> odd. well, after all, you just apt-get your fav apps after install anyway and let the deps handle the rest.
[23:15] <DexterF> werenerd: no, the macosx cc clone is a kubuntu-only thing
[23:15] <werenerd> DexterF: damn
[23:15] <DexterF> I'm surprised they hadn't Jobs yelling at them by now, this guy usually id good for hissy fits...
[23:16] <werenerd> DexterF: but it can be installed on Debian since Ubuntu is a derivative, right?
[23:16] <DexterF> uh
[23:16] <DexterF> i.. wopuldn't wanna try
[23:16] <willluongo> werenerd: no, the repos don't work like that
[23:16] <werenerd> DAMN
[23:16] <DexterF> you'd need to tinker the kubuntu kdebase code into debian
[23:16] <willluongo> werenerd: it would theoretically be possible, but you'd have to modify it pretty heavily. What would the benefit be?
[23:17] <werenerd> have you guys tried to trim the fat in Kubuntu?  ;)
[23:17] <werenerd> willluongo: LOL
[23:18] <lamur> who will help me with my problem
[23:18] <willluongo> werenerd: How much fat are you looking to trim off? i.e., what are you trying to remove?
[23:18] <willluongo> lamur: What is your problem?
[23:19] <willluongo> werenerd: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
[23:19] <lamur> i cant watch trainsignal video's
[23:20] <DexterF> lamur: train...what?
[23:20] <DexterF> willluongo: ;)
[23:20] <willluongo> DexterF: I think they are training videos
[23:20] <willluongo> lamur: Are they flash? Do they require windows?
[23:20] <werenerd> willluongo: just a bunch of the default apps that I never use.  I need the controlcenter maybe... once in 3 months. it's pretty, yeah. so? the ordinary kcontrol gets the job done. if that was all I had to part with on another distro that wouldn't stop me
[23:21] <werenerd> a file manager that doesn't show all the column width infuriates me
[23:21] <werenerd> kcontrol? Isn't that what I asked about earlier?
[23:22] <willluongo> werenerd: we thought you meant system settings
[23:22] <willluongo> or at least I did
[23:22] <willluongo> not to speak for DexterF
[23:22] <DexterF> werenerd: dolphin will need to evolve... I will keep konq as my FM for now and as it looks for quite a while even, tho dolphin has some neat features I like
[23:22] <DexterF> kcontrol = good old kde control center as in any distro
[23:23] <DexterF> "system settings" = fancy OSX ripoff
[23:23] <werenerd> now you guys have me wondering what you were referencing. Have I been missing out on something for the past 2 years in K/Ubuntu?
[23:23] <werenerd> DexterF: where is that?
[23:24] <DexterF> uh.. in KMenu, the first entry above the "actions" divider... "system settings" if you're locale is english, I believe...
[23:24] <DarkSmoke> hello guys
[23:25] <DarkSmoke> what is exacly "mono" ? and can it run windows .NET appliactions in linux ?
[23:25] <werenerd> I must have removed it, I don't have anything above Actions except WINE
[23:25] <werenerd> DexterF: maybe if I reset my KDE Menu it would be there
[23:26] <willluongo> brb
[23:26] <DexterF> werenerd: run "systemsettings" from a command line
[23:27] <werenerd> ooohh yeah.... now I remember that. yeah I removed the menu option because I hated it
[23:27] <werenerd> DexterF: lol, yeah I agree with you on that one. OSX ripoff
[23:27] <DexterF> DarkSmoke: well.... mono is a code VM much like Java, and it's supposed to interpret programs written in C#. from what I've been able to gather interoperability between .NET and Mono however is much like... um. no appropriate comparison at hand :D
[23:27] <werenerd> been so long since I saw that I forgot about it
[23:28] <DexterF> werenerd: well, the other is kcontrol. that's how the KDE peeps released it and how it is in pretty much any distro... including debian.
[23:28] <serenity> hi
[23:28] <serenity> does anyone of you know, if the displayport technology is already included into xorg?
[23:29] <werenerd> DexterF: if I can get the kcontrol in debian, I may just go ahead and try it. I was afraid I was going to have to use the CLI for everything. as powerfull as it is, I hate typing all that crap out
[23:29] <kbuntu-danex> i have an intel core 2 duo laptop. does anyone know if i should download the 64 version of kubuntu?
[23:29] <DexterF> DarkSmoke: there's a certain intersection of commands that work in both, but as I grokked it it's the usual "we labeled it open platform interoperability but somehow we achieve that if you wanna use it you have to stick to US"-MS-thing
[23:30] <DexterF> so screw it. code it in java :)
[23:30] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: "should" you? depends. What are you going to be doing on the laptop?
[23:30] <kbuntu-danex> work
[23:30] <kbuntu-danex> daily use
[23:30] <serenity> kbuntu-danex: so, there is no need for
[23:30] <kbuntu-danex> my kestion is if intel core 2 duo is a 64 arkitecture
[23:31] <werenerd> are you going to be running a 64 bit application that requires the 64 bit version?
[23:31] <DexterF> werenerd: last time I confed kde stuff at the cli was... pff... never? :D kcontrol is a fixed part of kde
[23:31] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: oh, my mistake
[23:31] <serenity> if your are handling with large amounts of RAM, or doing stuff with many IOs then maybe
[23:31] <DexterF> kbuntu-danex: depends on the series. E21xx - rather not. E5xxx and above - guess so
[23:31] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: just download the 32 bit version, it will work
[23:31] <DexterF> E7xxx and E8xxx for sure
[23:31] <kbuntu-danex> yes
[23:31] <serenity> <<< t7250
[23:32] <werenerd> if you are going to use WIne, you don't want to use a 64 bit version
[23:32] <DexterF> werenerd: how's that?
[23:32] <werenerd> DexterF: I don't believe the current verison of WINE plays well with 64 bit linux
[23:32] <kbuntu-danex> werenerd: ok, why is that?
[23:33] <kbuntu-danex> ok ok ;)
[23:33] <werenerd> it can be done, but it is not easy
[23:33] <DexterF> I'm running 64b right now... only casualty was intel indeo iv50 video.
[23:33] <DexterF> so far that is
[23:33] <serenity> 64bit-wine? Here's your visa for the land of pain
[23:34] <DexterF> haven't done much with wine lately but I don't see why it wouldn't work
[23:34] <DexterF> serenity: tell me please
[23:34] <werenerd> DexterF: I could not run a few Windows apps when I had 6.10 64 bit
[23:34] <werenerd> serenity: lol, you too huh?
[23:34] <serenity> werenerd: yipp
[23:35] <kbuntu-danex> my doubt was if my laptop arkitect was a 32 bit or a 64 bit. I have an Asus Z53Sseries T7500
[23:35] <werenerd> truth be told, there is not *that* much of a performance difference IMO
[23:35] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: what do you have installed as your OS now on that laptop?
[23:35] <kbuntu-danex> it is a 64 right? im very noob... :S
[23:35] <serenity> DexterF: wine is a "translator" for win32 to linux 32. In c64 mode it has to manage handling 64bit code
[23:36] <kbuntu-danex> Xp and Ubuntu
[23:36] <kbuntu-danex> 32 bit ubuntu
[23:36] <serenity> forget the c ;)
[23:36] <DexterF> serenity: it's not. it's a reimplementation of the win32 api. as such if compiled under a 64b host it should run w32 code all the same
[23:36] <kbuntu-danex> but if my laptop is a 64 bit then to take full advantage of the machine i sould install 64 right?
[23:37] <DarkSmoke> DexterF: but i was trying to wine a prog and it told me to install the MS version of mono... when i installed it on windows it didn't ask for mono
[23:37] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: not necessarily
[23:37] <nvidia> will kubuntu support an nvidia card thats pci-express?, my onboard card is ati & kubuntu never reads it right = (  moniter config is always the wrong resolution!
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> nvidia: yes kubuntu supports pci-express
[23:38] <DexterF> DarkSmoke: beyong me, #mono perhaps?
[23:38] <kbuntu-danex> ok, many thanks people
[23:38] <nvidia> great thz tons = )
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> im using nvidia geforce 8400 which is pci-e x16
[23:38] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: the only way to take full advantage of it is to have a 64 bit OS & 64bit application. Plus, you *could* have more than 4gb of RAM which is part of the benefit of a 64 bit OS. Greater memory allocation
[23:39] <DexterF> kbuntu-danex: depends oif what "full advantage" means to you. you will be able to address 4gig+ mem and have some minor speedup due to arch optimizations
[23:39] <werenerd> DexterF: Ha! Beat you to it
[23:39] <DexterF> werenerd: ...?
[23:39] <nvidia> hmm ok i was going for the 6600 with 512 ddr, hope its good?
[23:40] <DexterF> nvidia: it will work
[23:40] <kbuntu-danex> ok
[23:40] <DexterF> "good" is a question of perspective. if you wanna play Crysis - not good. if "google earth" is what warms your heart - yeah, good.
[23:41] <nvidia> thx good, chep card 40$ but for 512 mb should at least have good graphics but not as fast as yours = )
[23:41] <werenerd> DexterF: I was just saying I said the same thing as you. like you were doing with willluongo
[23:42] <werenerd> nvidia: I have 6600 PCI-E, does everything I need just fine. I can play any game in the repo's at my monitor max rez no problem
[23:43] <DexterF> i just installed my fav guitar tuner in wine. works ok. deaf as usual because I guess I need to tell it about the sound dev somehow, but works
[23:43] <DexterF> ok, that's just a aguitar tuner, given
[23:44] <kbuntu-danex> ok thankx a lot people. Last Question:  but my machine supports 64 bit ubuntu, right? (intel core 2 duo / Asus T7500 Z53S)
[23:44] <kbuntu-danex> the amd64 download
[23:44] <nvidia> kewl, im stepping up from the geforce 5500 256md running on 4x not proper 8x, still I could get a solid 90 fps playing tremulous = )
[23:46] <DexterF> kbuntu-danex: well, the only c2d I know of which are not 64b should be the low budget E21xx series. are you running on that machine now? with linux?
[23:47] <willluongo_afk> werenerd kbuntu-danex wine works fine for me I am running 64 bit 8.04 now... sorry it is a day late and a dollar short... lol
[23:47] <DexterF> just burn the iso to a RW blank, if it fails it won't even boot
[23:47] <lego> How can I change my colors in Linux?  I am trying to setup 16bit colors.
[23:47] <lego> for a game in Wine.
[23:47] <DexterF> lego: why would you wanna........ ah
[23:48] <DexterF> lego: treid running it just like that at current depth?
[23:48] <lego> Yeah and it complains about needing 16bit colors and 1024x768 or 1280x1024 resolution.
[23:49] <kbuntu-danex> DesterF: i dont know if is E21xx series
[23:49] <DexterF> no clue really, sorry. what game, out of curiosity?
[23:49] <lego> I have an ATI Rage 128,
[23:49] <kbuntu-danex> i have an asus t7500
[23:49] <lego> Lego Loco
[23:49] <kbuntu-danex> but i dont think this was low budget
[23:50] <kbuntu-danex> it cost me around 1000 euros a aprox one year ago
[23:50] <willluongo> kbuntu-danex: You are probably best off running 32, unless you have more than 4GB of RAM you want to use all on one app
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> all right
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> ;)
[23:52] <DexterF> lego: you could change the default color depth of course in /etc/X11/xorg.conf... but that would affect the whole system of course
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> thanks kubuntu people :D
[23:52] <DexterF> yw
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> good night to all
[23:53] <lego> Okay.
[23:53] <lego> I will try some of my other Lego games.
[23:53] <DexterF> tz. I can't see from the proc cpu flags if my chip is 64b. (which I know, wanted to see if there's a flag)
[23:53] <DexterF> lego: i used to like *real* lego ;)
[23:54] <willluongo> Well I've got to take off I'll be back again
[23:54] <willluongo> lol
[23:54] <willluongo> have a good night
[23:54] <lego> I have some Lego Minifigs here.  Recently bought the Lego Indiana stuff.
[23:54] <DexterF> lego: do they have nazi symbols? :D
[23:54] <lego> No.
[23:54] <DexterF> damn :D
[23:55] <lego> lol
[23:55] <DexterF> alright, I'll run for the sheets now myself. good night all, enjoyable chat.
[23:55] <yousef> lego?
[23:55] <lego> Yes?
[23:55] <yousef> nvrmd
[23:56] <lego> rofl
[23:56] <lego> I know, odd nickname.
[23:56] <lego> lol
[23:56] <yousef> lol
[23:56] <Minifig> Is that better?  rofl
[23:56] <werenerd> OK, I am off to the hardware store. Thanks for the help dex and will
[23:56] <yousef> wuts a minifig
[23:57] <Minifig> Ask Wikipedia.  lolMinifigures are small, plastic figural toys produced by Danish toy manufacturer Lego, which are customarily sold with Lego sets, as characters intended to populate modular Lego environments. Although many Lego sets include minifigures, Lego also sells collections of minifigures separate from other sets. They are also referred to as as minifigs, figs or simply Lego people. Minifigures are collected by both children and
[23:57] <Minifig> adults, sometimes independently of Lego bricks themselves.
[23:58] <zabbadapp> name of widget to show cpu load and/or temperature in the systray of kde4?
[23:58] <stdin> erm, we do have an off topic channel: #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:58] <yousef> i c
[23:58] <Minifig> oops.  I apologize.
[23:58] <yousef> ksysguard?
[23:59] <Minifig> Be back soon.


[00:35] <oski146> hello ubuntustudio
[00:35] <oski146> i have question regarding the systemupdate when pc is booting up
[00:36] <oski146> offfline update
[09:20] <oski146> hello guys i have a quesstion. can i install kubunturestricted extras on studio or its not good?
[09:25] <oski146> and  the install missing packages button by speech settings not functioning
[21:34] <oski146> hello i needadvice how to activate click by tap
[21:39] <arraybolt3> oski146: You mean with your touchpad?
[21:40] <arraybolt3> oski146: I'd just open System Settings, search for Touchpad, and then see if the option exists there.
[21:47] <oski146> i cant click the options
[21:47] <oski146> for click by tap
[21:47] <oski146> in kubuntu i can in studio not
[21:57] <krytarik> oski146: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420762#c5 - is it akin to what Lonnie describes in comment 5 here?
[22:00] <oski146> ok it  worked magically without doing anything just updates made for system
[22:01] <oski146> so now i need to know how to check if the graphicsdrivers loaded right? it came an update for amdgpu i want to check now. and i hope the sounddevice is coming soon too


[01:20] <mikedk> Wooow, guess there's splitmode atm.
[09:52] <focal> SRU test
[09:54] <groovy_> SRU test
[09:57] <hirsute> SRU test
[09:58] <RikMills> just testing SRU update candidates for konversation. looks good
[11:48] <bittin> RikMills: works :)
[11:48] <bittin> i ended up on Libera
[11:49] <RikMills> :D
[11:49] <bittin> as Konversation updated itself from the kubuntu-desktop metapackage in Ubuntu
[11:49] <bittin> :D
[11:50] <bittin> anyways gonna continue to watch some https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2021/en/index.html so popping off
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:37] <user|72> how to update from Kubuntu version 19
[14:40] <BluesKaj> !EOL | user|72
[14:40] <ubot3> user|72: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:41] <user|72> Ok. Thank You.
[15:15] <mikedk> Farely fast moving part :-D when I connected there wasn't either #ubuntu or #kubuntu channels online


[05:12] <Guest69376> s
[12:15] <Hesham> hello
[12:16] <Hesham> I have asus laptop and the battery is not detected


[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[09:40] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[09:40] <dholbach> hi iulian
[15:56] <Guest3525> Will Someone Tell Me How To Change My Nickname Please?:)
[16:24] <dupondje> no package provides xulrunner-dev anymore ?
[16:24] <jpds> dupondje: mozilla-devscripts ?
[16:25] <dupondje> guess that contains something else?
[16:33] <jpds> dupondje: It's what all the xul-* packages seem to build-dep on.
[17:41] <jtaylor> do I have to go through the release team for evey upload now? also for bugfix only ones?
[17:42] <ajmitch> no, it's not final freeze time
[17:42] <ajmitch> new upstream releases don't need approval if they're bugfix-only
[17:42] <ajmitch> at least that's what the rule was previously :)
[18:45] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: correct
[18:48] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: glad I'm not leading people too far astray
[18:51] <tumbleweed> I had "that chat" with my (acadmeic) supervisor today, and appear to have dropped out of my Masters. Still need to figure out what that means for me...
[18:51] <tumbleweed> did a fair bit of drinking this evening, so far :)
[18:51] <tumbleweed> </tumbleweed's personal life>
[18:55] <ajmitch> oh dear
[18:57] <tumbleweed> naah, so far I think it's good. I haven't made progress in ages. My interests clearly lay elsewhere
[18:57] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: so does that leave more ubuntu time, or was it because of ubuntu time?
[18:58] <lifeless> tumbleweed: what was your masters on?
[18:58] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: I was filling time with Debian/Ubuntu, so short term: same amount of time, long term: probably less
[18:58] <tumbleweed> lifeless: don't ask, usability of digital library systems
[18:58] <ajmitch> I can see why you'd be doing anything other than that  :)
[18:59] <tumbleweed> yeah :P
[18:59] <tumbleweed> I picked the supervisor because we had lively arguments together
[18:59] <tumbleweed> but he pushed me into a different project than the one I'd initially been hooked with...
[20:39] <jtaylor> how do buildd react on | build depends when the first does not exist?
[20:39] <jtaylor> will they fail?
[20:50] <micahg> jtaylor: as long as it's not versioned, it's fine
[22:58] <jtaylor> Dependency is not satisfiable: debhelper (>= 8.1.0) on my pbuilder-dist armhf chroot
[22:59] <jtaylor> it installs when I login
[22:59] <jtaylor> components and mirrorsite is correct
[22:59] <jtaylor> what else should I check?
[23:08] <tumbleweed> armhf works with qemu? I thought it didn't (well, many system calls didn't)
[23:08] <jtaylor> seems to, at least installation of packages
[23:09] <tumbleweed> hrm, I should try it
[23:09] <jtaylor> hurray I also got my apt cacher to cache ports
[23:10] <jtaylor> in the main ubuntu cache => shared arch all pacakges
[23:10] <tumbleweed> oh, nice
[23:10] <tumbleweed> I want that (well, an apt-cacher for ports, sharing with my mirror for x86. That's harder)
[23:10] <jtaylor> problem is, I have been spreading ports.com in every file I could find, which one was the right one now? :(
[23:26] <jtaylor> great I broke it again and I don't know how


[22:01] <sudip> hi, I am unable to login to launchpad and every time I try it gives me a "Oops! Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.".
[22:01] <sudip> am I doing something wrong?
[22:03] <sarnold> do you get an oops-id? that's often necessary for troubleshooting
[22:03] <sudip> sarnold: (Error ID: OOPS-1653ece64900f8dc9ca7369eb9e2c32e)
[22:03]  * sudip sees sarnold is everywhere
[22:04] <sarnold> aye, tis true :)
[22:05] <sarnold> so I don't know launchpad internals at all, but what I see in the trace I kinda vaguely wonder if this email address is used on another account
[22:06] <tomwardill> yep, it's probably a placeholder account. I've not got access from where I am atm, but email the problem and the OOPS id to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and someone will sort it on monday when we're back at work :)
[22:07] <sudip> great.  thanks tomwardill sarnold
[22:08] <sarnold> nice :)