[09:50] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:34] <ChinnoDog> erstazi: You could partition sdb manually and copy the partitions instead of copying the entire block device
[16:34] <ChinnoDog> I don't know if that will result in a working filesystem. If not then I would think the only option is to format the partitions on sdb as well and rsync the contents over.
[16:42] <erstazi> ChinnoDog: thanks. Been waiting a bit before doing it. Ideally, I don't want to install fresh and then backup all the packages and data, however I can do that if need be. Very odd that this isn't more common of a situation than it is. Pure AF disks are very common out there that don't have the fake 512 bytes layer
[16:43] <erstazi> Also read that I could switch the hard drives around and attempt that so I might try that method
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> I'm sure it is a common situation. I think the problem has a lot of variables though. Most AF disks emulate 512k sectors so compatibility is good. Having everything work depends on this though. If the software treats sectors at 4k then all sorts of other unplanned things occur.
[16:46] <erstazi> right, however this hard drive has no 512k sector compatibility
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> The hard disk in my laptop has 4k sectors but I can move LVM volumes between it and my SSD without a problem. Your partition table on the original HDD is probably just not aligned well and copying the partitions themselves with dd will work fine.
[16:46] <erstazi> it is pure 4096 bytes
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> I think the compatibility is in software, not in hardware. Linux will allow addressing it as though it has 512k sectors.
[16:47] <erstazi> Yeah, I am going to see in a second here when I flip hard drives
[16:47] <erstazi> thanks!
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> I keep saying 512k sectors. 512b sectors!
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> HDDs will need to grow by a couple orders of magnitude before there are 512k sectors.
[17:54] <JonathanD> I look forward to this day.
[18:20] <Forge> I need to dump all the data off my new NVMe and rsync just the contents back. It's supposedly aligned, but performance is pretty lousy.


[13:24] <kyugyi> .
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa covertly supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa&israel aggression against others.
[13:24] <kyugyi> .did usa covertly supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> .
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa covertly supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa&israel aggression against others.
[13:24] <kyugyi> .did usa covertly supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa&israel aggression against others.
[13:24] <kyugyi> .
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa covertly supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa&israel aggression against others.
[13:24] <kyugyi> .did usa covertly supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[13:24] <kyugyi> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa&israel aggression against others.
[14:56] <ytrezq> Hello, do you know how I can merge patches : http://stackoverflow.com/q/29357563/2284570#comment46899862_29357563 ?
[14:58] <apw> ytrezq, there is no way to automatically merge patches which conflict
[14:58] <apw> that is the definition of a conflict, that they cannot be automatically merged
[19:20] <leitao> I have a question regarding kernel compilation in LTS and standard release.
[19:21] <leitao> If we move Ubuntu 15.10 on POWER8, i.e, mcpu=power8, will it affect 14.04.4 release? I.e, will 14.04.4 required POWER8 also?
[19:22] <leitao> Looking at launchpad, it seems that both are compiled using different parameters, which means that 14.04.4 will continue to be POWER7 and 15.10 will be POWER8, even sharing the 'same kernel'.
[19:22] <leitao> Am I correct here?
[19:22] <infinity> leitao: The backport kernels are compiled on the target release, so if we're just talking about chaning compiler defaults, no, that won't change in trusty.
[19:22] <leitao> infinity, makes sense
[19:23] <infinity> leitao: If we change anything in the kernel build itself to target P8 as a minimum, then we'll want to undo that in the lts- branches.
[19:23] <infinity> leitao: Assuming that supporting the LTS on P7 remains a goal.
[19:23] <infinity> leitao: But that's another discussion.
[19:24] <leitao> infinity, that is right. 14.04 will continue to be POWER7, that is a safe assumption


[00:54] <KGB-0> glib debian/buster Simon McVittie * [update] merge request !11: WIP: [buster] Backport CVE fixes from 2.66.x * https://deb.li/34YPF
[02:25] <callmepk> good morning
[02:44] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[02:44] <callmepk> morning duflu
[06:28] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[06:29] <duflu> Hi seb128
[06:30] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[06:30] <duflu> seb128, slightly tired but also strangely relaxed. So that's good. How are you?
[06:31] <seb128> tired as well but I had a bit more sleep than previous night so hopefully the day is better
[06:45] <jibel> Good morning
[06:57] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:15] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[07:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:26] <didrocks> good morning
[07:28] <jibel> Salut didrocks duflu
[07:34] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:34] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel
[07:35] <didrocks> bon mercredi oSoMoN :)
[07:40] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[08:38] <duflu> Morning Wimpress, oSoMoN, didrocks
[08:38] <duflu> tjaalton, bug 1919285 is probably something to keep an eye on
[08:39] <tjaalton> duflu: I think tseliot knows about that one
[08:39] <duflu> Ah yes I was about to CC him
[08:40]  * duflu wonders if there are more duplicates elsewhere
[08:41] <didrocks> hey duflu :)
[08:52] <seb128> hey jibel Wimpress oSoMoN didrocks tjaalton, how are you?
[08:54] <jibel> Salut seb128
[08:58] <duflu> tjaalton, sorry I have a recurring problem forgetting about Alberto and defaulting to you
[08:58] <didrocks> hey seb128, ça va, et toi ?
[08:58] <seb128> ça va oui
[09:00] <tjaalton> duflu: all too easy to tab-complete too early ;)
[09:01] <tjaalton> hi seb128
[09:01] <Laney> \o
[09:02] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, salut seb128, yo Laney
[09:02] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va bien, et toi?
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:02] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:02] <seb128> oSoMoN, ça va merci :)
[09:06] <Laney> hey oSoMoN seb128 didrocks
[09:06] <Laney> doing ooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[09:10] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:15] <Laney> a'noon duflu
[09:49] <KGB-0> mutter pristine-tar 4d954ca Simon McVittie mutter_3.38.4.orig.tar.xz.delta mutter_3.38.4.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for mutter_3.38.4.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/ui5F
[09:50] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x c8d0dcf Simon McVittie * pushed 29 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/ipSZ1
[09:50] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x f68f060 Jonas Ådahl src/core/window.c * window: Freeze stack when calculating showing state * https://deb.li/Wpgj
[09:50] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x 2d47adc Olivier Fourdan src/compositor/ meta-window-actor-private.h meta-window-actor-wayland.c meta-window-actor-x11.c meta-window-actor.c * window-actor: Add a new can_freeze_commits() API * https://deb.li/3ZSIR
[09:50] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x 2d424a7 Olivier Fourdan src/x11/window-x11.c * window/x11: Check before freezing commits * https://deb.li/AtlD
[09:50] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x 989ef12 Robert Mader src/compositor/ meta-feedback-actor-private.h meta-feedback-actor.c * feedback-actor: Add API to set and get geometry scale * https://deb.li/30YAz
[09:50] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/3.38.x 5628d04 Robert Mader src/wayland/meta-wayland-dnd-surface.c * wayland/dnd-surface: Use new API to set geometry scale of feedback actor * https://deb.li/dexl
[09:51] <KGB-0> mutter upstream/latest c8d0dcf Simon McVittie * pushed 29 commits * https://deb.li/ipSZ1
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell pristine-tar 478de63 Simon McVittie gnome-shell_3.38.4.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.38.4.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.38.4.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3YieI
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 910421c Simon McVittie * pushed 24 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3psEE
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x defcfec Razze js/ui/windowManager.js * workspaceAnimation: Disable unredirection during the gesture * https://deb.li/ij70e
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 9a95c8e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) js/ui/appDisplay.js * appDisplay: Do not bind popdown call to grabHelper onUngrab * https://deb.li/xeWG
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 814c932 Florian Müllner js/ui/components/polkitAgent.js * polkitAgent: Ensure cleanup if dialog wasn't shown * https://deb.li/3Ki8M
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x 296e76d Jonas Dreßler src/shell-blur-effect.c * blur-effect: Don't use stage view when drawing off-stage * https://deb.li/9sLy
[09:51] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/3.38.x bdf31fe Carlos Garnacho src/st/st-texture-cache.c * st: Keep weak ref on texture cache bound texture source * https://deb.li/3stg4
[09:52] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/latest 910421c Simon McVittie * pushed 24 commits * https://deb.li/3psEE
[09:52] <KGB-0> gnome-shell debian/master Simon McVittie * [open] merge request !46: WIP: Update to 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/CtZV
[09:52] <KGB-0> mutter debian/master Simon McVittie * [open] merge request !69: WIP: Update to 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/3cYNg
[10:46] <Laney> it's not intentional that we have ibuz-mozc and a japanese input method available by default right?
[10:46] <Laney> (in a live session)
[10:46] <Laney> ibuz-mozc *running*, installed is ok I guess
[10:49] <jibel> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity-1/+merge/397742 has been updated
[11:04] <Laney> jibel: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek I forgot about that, thanks, I'll look again!
[11:22] <seb128> Laney, by default you mean shipped on the ISO or in use for an english locale?
[11:22] <seb128> where in use means typing make you enter japanese chars
[11:24] <Laney> it's not selected, but it is selectable and that's a new thing
[11:24] <Laney> I accidentally managed to turn it on somehow just now, not sure what I did but I ended up there
[11:25] <seb128> Laney, ctrl+shift?
[11:26] <Laney> dunno
[11:26] <Laney> question is should it be fixed to not be there
[11:27] <seb128> where is Gunnar?
[11:27] <seb128> I don't remember now if we do enable ibus on the live session to make easier for people who need it to get going or if it's a bug
[11:29] <Laney> having Japanese there is a new thing in hirsute
[11:30] <seb128> sounds like a bug then, worth Ccing Gunnar on the report, he's usually picking up things like that when he noticed them
[11:33] <Laney> ok if not a deliberate thing you know about
[11:33] <Laney> a new mozc migrated yesterday, let me test an old iso with the previous version, maybe this will be it which would be useful info
[11:34] <seb128> I don't know about it no
[11:34] <seb128> thanks for testing, it would be useful to know if that's update
[11:35] <seb128> jibel, following up on the daily ISO promotion ...where are the preseeds defined?
[11:51] <Laney> yeah totally new with that update
[12:05] <Laney> funny, Gunnar just turned up in my inbox ;-)
[12:27] <jibel> seb128, the test cases are defined in this project https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/desktop
[12:27] <jibel> there are the seeds, test scripts, ...
[12:27] <seb128> jibel, thanks!
[12:29] <jibel> seb128, and the iso static check script which sometimes break when there are changes in ubuntu-cd-image is in utah https://git.launchpad.net/utah/tree/utah/isotest/iso_static_validation.py
[12:30] <seb128> ack
[15:22] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:24] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[15:24] <hellsworth> hey there didrocks
[15:32] <oSoMoN> hello hellsworth
[15:32] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN :)
[15:43] <marcustomlinson> hi hellsworth
[15:43] <hellsworth> hey marcustomlinson what's up!
[15:44] <KGB-2> gnome-shell tags 5bd12f0 Simon McVittie upstream/3.38.4 * Upstream version 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/3QXDs
[15:44] <KGB-2> mutter tags acdfdfe Simon McVittie upstream/3.38.4 * Upstream version 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/1B4v
[15:45] <KGB-2> gnome-shell debian/master Simon McVittie * [merge] merge request !46: WIP: Update to 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/CtZV
[15:45] <KGB-2> mutter debian/master Simon McVittie * [merge] merge request !69: WIP: Update to 3.38.4 * https://deb.li/3cYNg
[15:52] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth
[15:52] <hellsworth> i there jibel :)
[16:31] <seb128> hellsworth, hey, how are you?


[03:04] <Bashing-om> ubuntu as the most popular desktop: https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-the-most-popular-linux-of-them-all/ . Should we include this in UWN ?
[03:08] <krytarik> Sounds loosely related.. :P
[03:10] <Bashing-om> krytarik: very, and would be tough to justify .
[03:10] <krytarik> You mean *not* to include it, right?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Something like that . If I were sure .. would not raise a question :P
[23:09] <krytarik> guiverc: You gonna relay the release announcement to the Fridge?: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/000231.html
[23:28] <guiverc> krytarik, was listening for my phone - i just saw it in inbox :)
[23:30] <krytarik> Also, hi! :)
[23:30] <guiverc> krytarik, you posted last uwn - you could have :)  I'm very tried (watching #ubuntu-release all night)
[23:31] <guiverc> and (belated) hello
[23:31] <krytarik> Yes, what do you think I did the whole evening so far! :P
[23:31] <krytarik> And yes, wouldn't have shown up now, I was just about to go copy-paste things.
[23:34] <guiverc> :) yeah there were a lot of names in the room
[23:37] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8332&preview=true  - if you'd not mind looking over it (starting link check now, and didn't see any <pre>'s
[23:38] <guiverc> okay needs more work - links aren't links... :(
[23:38] <krytarik> Yes, already looked - and also have to do lists.
[23:40] <krytarik> Would you like me to assist there?
[23:41] <guiverc> links fixed.. lists?
[23:41] <krytarik> Yeah, and also headers, similar to these two: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/08/05/ubuntu-16-04-3-lts-released/ , http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/09/06/artful-aardvark-beta-1-released/
[23:43] <guiverc> links all ok - i didn't notice slightly-larger-text for some lines - hold on (looking)
[23:44] <krytarik> And then drop the underlining instead there, of course.
[23:46] <guiverc> :)  (i finally see the underlining... working)
[23:47] <guiverc> please look (& check)
[23:47] <krytarik> Ok.
[23:48] <guiverc> ps: i don't like the ...  :P
[23:49] <guiverc> without the "on behalf of.. Adam" you have to url's direct - the ML one looks out of place (i've done it before, jsut feels wrong)
[23:50] <guiverc> two urls
[23:50] <krytarik> Yeah, I see.
[23:51] <krytarik> Also, 1.) that's not the Release ML, and 2.) wanna link that as previously?
[23:52] <krytarik> Ah, that's how they got rid of the URL succession too.
[23:53] <krytarik> And make the whole line italic please too, as usual.
[23:54] <krytarik> Also, it's not Steve this time either. :D
[23:56] <guiverc> sorry - i didn't notice i hadn't changed that - thanks heaps for catching!!!!!!!!!!
[23:56] <krytarik> Hehe. :D
[23:57] <guiverc> all good finally?
[23:57] <krytarik> I like the bold vs slightly larger font on the headers btw.
[23:58] <guiverc> (that was more me not wanting to try & see which heading looked best I think)
[23:58] <krytarik> It still says "Ubuntu Release mailing list", and I'd also still make that link to the mail.
[23:59] <guiverc> i changed url to release
[23:59] <krytarik> And I think it's fine not to use list(s) there.