[06:16] <Snicers-Android> awfully quiet tonight
[16:09] <skyjumper> booya
[16:17] <skyjumper> first day in a while i been able to have windows open at 9am
[16:18] <skyjumper> house windows, not Windows(r)
[16:21] <Randen_> lol
[16:21] <Randen_> when i had windows xp i felt the same way XD
[16:22] <Randen_> if my nick is signed on at home, how do i disconnect it so i can identify here at work?
[16:22] <Randen_> in IRC
[16:22] <skyjumper> /msg nickserv identify <password>
[16:22] <Randen_> i did that but Randen_ is not a registered nick
[16:22] <Randen_> b/c of the underscore
[16:23] <skyjumper> oh you can have nickserv kill your Randen nick
[16:23] <Randen_> cool, how do i do that
[16:23] <skyjumper> dunno... /msg nickserv help
[16:24] <Randen_> says: GHOST Reclaims use of a nickname.
[16:24] <Randen_> but will not let me ghost
[16:24] <funnylookinhat> I just lost all of my titlebars on my windows...  ??!
[16:25] <skyjumper> funnylookinhat: in natty?
[16:25] <funnylookinhat> Yeah
[16:25] <funnylookinhat> I think i hit a bad key combo ?  or. maybe it just broke?
[16:25] <skyjumper> run compiz-decorator
[16:25] <Randen_> nvm
[16:25] <skyjumper> did you alt-space
[16:25] <funnylookinhat> Quite possibly
[16:25] <skyjumper> i been having that problem too
[16:25] <funnylookinhat> oh yeah that fixed it
[16:26] <skyjumper> this may be the buggiest compiz i've seen in a "stable" ubuntu release ever
[16:26] <funnylookinhat> POS natty.
[16:26] <funnylookinhat> Yeah
[16:26] <funnylookinhat> It's because they tweaked the hell out of it to make sure it'd be set for Unity
[16:26] <skyjumper> and decided to go with the development branch of compiz
[16:26] <funnylookinhat> ya
[16:28] <Randen> haha, i just pwned my home IRC connection :P


[15:24] <leehambley> hi all, can anyone tell me if there's a way to skip starting services when they're installed, I'm fighting netatalk and samba, i've implemented a policy-rc.d which forbids samba/etc -
[15:24] <leehambley> my policy rejected them both, and I see the syslogs from my policy-rc.d - but I still ended up with /etc/init/{sa,nm}bd.conf files, and the services both started
[15:25] <erkules> ahoi, I want to 'globaly' define a tmpfile pass a value from pre-start to exec. For that I would like to do something like env ARGUMENT=$(mktemp) in the 'global' section. It doesn't work and using a fixed path is no solution for me :(
[15:32] <xnox> leehambley: echo "manual" | sudo tee /etc/init/NAME.override
[15:32] <leehambley> xnox: thanks -- is the lack of support for policy-rc.d a known problem?
[15:32] <xnox> leehambley: where NAME is whichever job you want to override, e.g. sabd.override to override sabd.conf
[15:32] <leehambley> thanks
[15:33] <xnox> leehambley: there is full support for update-rc.d in saucy and up, not sure about policy-rc.d. Need to check....
[15:33] <leehambley> thanks
[15:34] <xnox> erkules: you should define environmental variables outside of any block, and then set it in pre-start, and read it in script/post-start.
[15:35] <xnox> erkules: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#export ? should work. Can you pastebit your example that is not working?
[15:40] <leehambley> xnox: after creating that file, do I have to do anything to make upstart recognise it, it doesn't seem to be working
[15:40] <xnox> leehambley: define "working" ? what did you put into the .override file and what did you expect to change?
[15:41] <xnox> leehambley: if it has stanza "manual" init, upon boot that job will not automatically start.
[15:41] <leehambley> xnox: I expected that service not to start when it's installed, and not to restart if I kill it (kill -9 <thepid>)
[15:41] <leehambley> the second part isn't working
[15:42] <leehambley> I put the word manual(\n) in that file
[15:45] <erkules> xnox: I can setting an variable 'outside' works. But doing some expansion stuff doesn't i.e. env ARG=$(mktemp) or env ARG=`mktemp` then ARG is set to $(mktemp) and not the output of the command mktemp
[15:46] <xnox> erkules: correct. do env ARG=; in pre-start ARG=$(mktemp); and then in exec/script/post-start/pre-post-stop it should be available.
[15:47] <xnox> erkules: also please paste your job. Why don't you do everything in "script; end script"? =)
[15:49] <xnox> leehambley: first you need to stop them with "sudo stop NAME"
[15:49] <leehambley> alright, roger that
[15:49] <xnox> leehambley: then in .override put "pre-start script \n stop \n end script"
[15:50] <xnox> leehambley: thus any attempts at starting/respawning jobs will be, well, denied.
[15:50] <leehambley> thanks, that looks just like a bigger hammer than "manual"
[15:51] <xnox> leehambley: yeah. manual, only negates "start on" conditions, but package upgrades do "start NAME" explicitly more or less.
[15:56] <leehambley> thanks for the clarification xnox :-)
[16:18] <erkules> xnox: http://paste.debian.net/10938/
[16:18] <erkules> xnox: Your workaround didn't worked. So I did it statically
[16:23] <xnox> erkules: can errors go to stdout or stderr? as they will be collected into /var/log/upstart/mysql anyway.
[16:23] <xnox> erkules: ah you are parsing it as well...
[16:24] <erkules> xnox: every tip is welcome
[16:24] <erkules> :)
[16:32] <xnox> erkules:" A script section cannot modify the value of a variable defined in a job configuration file for other script sections."
[16:32] <xnox> sigh
[16:32] <xnox> erkules: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#environment-variables
[16:36] <erkules> xnox: thats why my original plan was to do ARGUMENT=$(mktemp) outside. Which as you rightly told is not working.


[19:51] <arraybolt3> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/23.04.2 For some reason nothing is showing up in the Publishing section even though clicking "See full publishing history" seems to show the info I'm looking for. Even that looks kind of broken, though. (This is a package I just uploaded.)
[20:53] <RikMills> arraybolt3: the archive publisher takes some time, just as the PPA one does. maybe longer IMO
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Right, I'm just used to seeing something there (usually a Proposed thingy).
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Maybe I just clicked it too quickly after uploading.


[09:23] <mdke> morning all
[10:29] <dholbach> hiya
[10:29] <dholbach> can somebody tell me how to redirect to a an anchor of another page?
[10:33] <bhuvan> dholbach: do you mean auto redirect?
[10:34] <dholbach> #REDIRECT SomePage#someanchor    does not work
[10:34] <dholbach> It tries to find a page named   "SomePage#someanchor"
[10:41] <dholbach> #REFRESH 2 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SomePage#someanchor        works, but is ugly
[11:02] <bhuvan> yet, i'm unsuccessful dholbach
[11:51] <mpt> iz moin boog
[02:27] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r4462 ubuntu/windows/C/windows.xml: Remove unnecessary section (patch by Eero Salokannel, closes #144795)
[07:27] (Lhademmor/#ubuntu-doc) What's the rules about pictures on the wiki?
[10:17] <mdke> Lhademmor: what sort of rules?


[00:55] <mcc> Hello, I am playing around with linux on a new tablet pc... it just came out of the box and i'm not using it day to day yet so i am pretty ok with breaking stuff... i'm curious about kubuntu, esp. about anything that might make kubuntu usable for a touch screen...
[00:57] <mcc> i read an article talking about kubuntu 15.04 and plasma 5... do you think it would make more sense to try to download the 15.04 distribution, or the 14.10 distribution with the plasma 5 preview?
[00:58] <mcc> i guess i'm mostly just asking to see if anyone immediately says "don't do that, everything will catch on fire"
[00:58] <mattnpat> Do it.
[00:58] <mcc> WOOO
[00:58] <mattnpat> I odn't care.
[00:58] <mattnpat> Do what you wnat with your life.
[00:59] <mattnpat> Gnome 3's far superior on tablets.
[00:59] <mcc> gnome 3 looks nice... it seemed a little conusing on desktops though. like, i tried a fedora disk image and when you minimized there didn't seem to be a way to get the window back
[01:00] <mcc> i like their visual style better than new kde's tho
[01:00] <mcc> hey, one other question. do you know when kubuntu might start using weyland?
[01:03] <mattnpat> Meh.
[01:03] <mattnpat> Like I care.
[01:05] <VolUTFan> anyone here that can give me a clue?  I have still got problems with plasmashell crashing on login for 14.10 plasma5.  All I get is a darn blank kicker panel and nothing else, except yakuake starting so I at least have a terminal.  I was able to manually kill plasmashell with kquitapp5 plasmashell and relaunch manually using sudo plasmashell but on reboot I get nothing again..  Any ideas?
[01:05] <mattnpat> Meh.
[01:05] <VolUTFan> What I was doing prior to the problem was installation of a few packages like skype and handbrake
[01:05] <mattnpat> Aks someone else.
[01:38] <richard28711> i cannot get vlc to play my dvds..can someone help\
[01:41] <richard28711> Can  anybody c my question
[01:49] <mattnpat> Ugh.
[01:49] <mattnpat> Open the tab called "media" on the top bar and press "open disc".
[03:58] <phoenixz> Hey all, anybody who might know about a bug (Kubuntu 14.10) where the mouse cursor suddenly becomes invisible, and does not come back? Mouse is still working, just no cursor, and so far only solution was reboot, which kinda sucks..
[03:59] <phoenixz> I even tried system settings > workspace appearance > cursor theme, select different cursor, Apply, no effect
[07:06] <valorie> !dvd
[07:07] <valorie> oh pfff, he left
[07:07] <valorie> phoenixz: I used to see that happen, yes
[07:08] <valorie> not sure why, and since it was sporadic, I never filed a bug about it
[07:08] <phoenixz> valorie: I've seen it happen about 3-4 times in the past week, and never before..
[07:11] <valorie> I never could figure out what was causing it
[07:11] <valorie> doesn't happen now in plasma 5
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[08:10] <VolUTFan> Can anyone clue me in on how to get my usb flash drives to automount in 14.10 Plasma5?  I was able to make the settings change in system settings in earlier versions
[08:13] <soee> this should work without aby modifications i think
[08:41] <VolUTFan> anyone out there
[08:41] <hateball> !anyone
[08:42] <soee> hiho
[08:42] <soee> !ask
[08:42] <hateball> ubottu: Don't do that
[08:52] <valorie> hateball: if you want changes to the bot "facts" you can suggest those in #ubuntu-ops or the ubuntu-irc list
[08:53] <valorie> they get updated pretty frequently
[08:55] <hateball> valorie: well plenty of nice things like !anyone and others have been removed for whatever reason. I just have a hard time remembering that
[08:55] <hateball> Anyhow, !ask probably got the point across
[08:56] <Tm_T> hateball: it's often better to use your own words instead (:
[08:57] <valorie> hateball: yes, there was a big cleanup some time back
[08:59] <hateball> Tm_T: I don't have them aliased across my various clients ;|
[09:00] <Tm_T> hateball: what aliases
[09:04] <goatlord> Gotta go.
[09:05] <valorie> VolUTFan: did you have a question?
[09:05] <VolUTFan> Hey Valorie
[09:05] <VolUTFan> Yea, wasn't sure if you was online
[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:05] <VolUTFan> Hey Lordie, good to see you
[09:06] <lordievader> Hey VolUTFan, how are you?
[09:06] <VolUTFan> What I was wanting to know was if there was a way to automount USB drives in Plasma5 14.10, like there was in system settings in earlier versions
[09:06] <VolUTFan> I don't see that option yet in the non-stable version
[09:07] <lordievader> VolUTFan: If systemsettings 5 or 4 doesn't show that option you can allways make a udev rule.
[09:07] <VolUTFan> oh, and valorie, I think I finally pinned down what was causing my plamsa5 to stop responding on login.  I was installing ps3mediaserver from raring happy-neko
[09:08] <VolUTFan> apparently it didn't jive too well or something, so I worked around that
[09:08] <VolUTFan> Lordie, can you help me with the udev rule?  Never done that one before
[09:09] <VolUTFan> ok man on it says rules.d, still reading
[09:09] <lordievader> VolUTFan: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/udev
[09:09] <valorie> always the random PPAs cause problems
[09:09] <VolUTFan> what does lexical order mean?
[09:11] <lordievader> Alphabetical order.
[09:12] <VolUTFan> well then lol, apparently I was over analyzing it
[09:12] <VolUTFan> lol
[09:13] <lordievader> VolUTFan: A simple google search will usually answer those things ;)
[09:14] <VolUTFan> well I found a google page, but it was getting to the n'th power
[09:15] <lordievader> From Wikipedia: also known as lexical order, dictionary order, alphabetical order or lexicographic(al) product
[10:20] <Walex> the important notion here for "lexical order" is that it is locale (not just language) dependent and often surprising, as national conventions are different.
[10:21] <Walex> I set 'LC_COLLATE=C' to avoid a local national convention that is quite different from ASCII/ISO8859 ordering
[10:32] <Cray600> how can I adjust screen size ?
[10:38] <valorie> Cray600_: can you say more about what you want?
[10:39] <lordievader> Cray600_: System Settings -> Display and Monitor
[10:40] <Cray600_> yeah I have hdmi amd/ati  and cannot adjust screen size, bottom panel is off screen
[10:40] <lordievader> Cray600_: Use xrandr?
[10:41] <Cray600_> I have looked in display.monitor but no settings available
[10:41] <lordievader> Cray600_: Could you pastebin the output of 'xrandr'?
[10:41] <lordievader> !paste | Cray600_
[10:41] <Cray600_> what's xrandr
[10:45] <Cray600_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10271350/
[10:46] <lordievader> Cray600_: The HDMI is set at the highest available resolution.
[10:47] <Cray600_> so how do I change it then ?
[10:47] <lordievader> Cray600_: To what? 1080p is the max that HDMI can do.
[10:49] <Cray600_> yes I know,  I just want to see the bottom panel  it's very difficult if it's out of view
[10:49] <Cray600_> like 1200x780
[10:49] <lordievader> Is 1080p supported by your monitor?
[10:50] <Cray600_> yes
[10:50] <lordievader> Hmm, then it shouldn't fall of at places.
[10:50] <hateball> Is the thing connected over HDMI a TV?
[10:50] <hateball> It might have a setting for overscan
[10:51] <Cray600_> Oh I have it going through T.V hdmi
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:55] <knro> Is there any graphical fstab editors?
[12:58] <lordievader> knro: Any text editor?
[12:59] <OerHeks> There was one, PySDM, but nolonger maintained.
[13:02] <knro> lordievader: yes thank you for your insight, I was asking for GUI tools. How come it's 2015 and we don't have any simple GUI tools to manage something like fstab?
[13:02] <lordievader> Because a text editor is all you need.
[13:03] <lordievader> Having some GUI application for something so simple is, to me, silly.
[13:03] <knro> to you, for the 99% of homosapiens out there, it's not
[13:04] <knro> I have been using Linux for .. almost 14 years now, and why would I have to google fstab syntax? Sure, I got it done in 5 minutes but why would someone new to Linux do? they suffer.
[13:04] <mattnpat> I know.
[13:04] <mattnpat> I hate that there aren't any non deprecated programs for editing fstab.
[13:05] <knro> mattnpat: I'm surprised no one is actually working on it, I mean usually you'd find a gazillion media players duplicating each other work, but for something like fstab nothing!
[13:06] <mattnpat> I can't even find my fstab file.
[13:06] <mattnpat> It's there.
[13:06] <mattnpat> It's just invisible somehow.
[13:06] <mattnpat> It's invisible.
[13:07] <mattnpat> I can't see it.
[13:07] <knro> mattnpat: there is also another thing, so on my new harddrive, I just want to enrypt a folder... well, let me google it.. the only thing that can do this decently is Trucrypt and it's deprected now
[13:08] <mattnpat> Cryptfs is a bitch to use.
[13:08] <knro> There is some app for gnome, but it didn't work. There is Dolphin services for encfs or something, but that failed
[13:08] <mattnpat> I don't bother.
[13:08] <knro> I just want a password protected folder and I can't do it in 2015
[13:08] <mattnpat> Ever tried decrypting a folder?
[13:08] <mattnpat> I can't specify a certain folder.
[13:09] <mattnpat> I have to let it slowly scan everything on the computer.
[13:10] <knro> also, there is no decent hardware info in Kubuntu or any other distro for that matter. The only decent application is I-Nex and it should be included by default IMO, the rest simply sucks.
[13:11] <mattnpat> Yeah.
[13:12] <hateball> I dunno, I find inxi to be quite nice. Altho not installed by default
[13:12] <lordievader> knro: Have you tried the Kinfocenter?
[13:13] <knro> lordievader: yes and it's a joke compared to I-Nex.... the funny thing is, when editing my fstab, I had to resort to I-Nex to find the UUID of my hard drives. I used command line and it spit out too much info and not sure which is which.
[13:15] <knro> There is a great problem with "defaults".  For example, I didn't even know there was an easy way to configure the display. It should be included when I right-click on my desktop, not go to kicker, and start searching sub-menus
[13:15] <lordievader> knro: blkid?
[13:15] <mattnpat> I know.
[13:16] <knro> lordievader: The KDE Display Module, it's found in "Settings", but you can't find it under any menu, and from the desktop, you can't find it there either
[13:18] <knro> I was doing a presentation last year where we hooked to an external TV and I was embarrased not being able to connect to it... I typed "Monitor" in the kicker search.. nothing useful, then I found "Display" and it solved everything
[13:19] <knro> It should be available in the right-context menu on the plasma desktop. Right Click --> Display should be one of the options
[13:19] <BluesKaj> knro, sudo blkid for uuids
[13:20] <BluesKaj> quick and simple
[13:20] <knro> BluesKaj: I know, I "googled" it, and there is more than one command to get the uuids. But wouldn't it be nice if I used the .. god forbid... GUI?
[13:20] <knro> Actually I-Nex is easier, since it I can select which dev uuid I specifically want
[13:21] <BluesKaj> knro, I prefer the cli , simple and quick , even for an old windows guy like me
[13:22] <knro> BluesKaj: I hold the opposite philosophy.. the user shouldn't use the cli unless absolutely necessary.
[13:22] <knro> and I design all my software with that in mind
[13:24] <BluesKaj> yeah right
[13:26] <remline> "When you write a program that provides a graphical user interface... please provide a command-line interface to control the functionality... Please also consider providing a D-bus interface...  In addition, consider providing a library interface" - GNU Coding Standards
[13:28] <knro> Most aspects are exposed via DBus, only very few cli options are available that 0.1% of the users would ever use.
[13:28] <knro> I'm talking about KDE here of course
[13:28] <knro> KDE apps specifically
[13:30]  * lordievader loves DBus
[13:30] <knro> It is great, especially DBus with Python!
[13:31] <knro> DBus is one of the things they really got it right.
[13:32] <remline> I find it slightly humorous that RMS essentially is saying, "as long as you are making a program, you might as well expose a bunch of interfaces" -- this strikes me as slightly wishful thinking, although one can't argue against the principle.
[14:48] <djeimsyxuis_> hey apotheon
[17:48] <vip> hi there
[17:48] <vip> is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports missing sddm intentionally?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> vip, nope, sddm-kcm is included https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-backports/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[18:51] <trevize> hello, have a question regarding usb speeds. when I plug my usb disk I have full write speed 30/mbs, dmesg shows ehci-pci. but when I plug another usb device on another usb port, the usb disk gets disconnected and then reconnects using uhci_hcd
[18:51] <trevize> is there any way to fix this?
[18:52] <trevize> *reconnecting using uhci_hcd drops usb speed to kbits
[18:56] <vip> but there is no way to install sddm-kcm
[18:58] <BluesKaj> vip, have you updated your sources to include kubuntu-next ?
[18:58] <vip> BluesKaj:  i did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports
[18:58] <vip> 19:57 [vip:/etc/apt/sources.list.d]$ cat kubuntu-ppa-ubuntu-next-backports-utopic.list
[18:58] <vip> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/next-backports/ubuntu utopic main
[18:59] <vip> BluesKaj: https://gist.github.com/vip9/7fd09f29ca399e41a17a
[19:00] <BluesKaj> ok did you run an update and upgrade first, vip
[19:01] <vip> yup, I did
[19:01] <vip> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging/+build/6753724
[19:02] <vip> there's no sddm-kcm package build for amd64
[19:02] <vip> nor i386
[19:04] <BluesKaj> no this the ppa you should install https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next ...remove the prvious one with the bacports or comment it
[19:04] <BluesKaj> assume you're on 14.10 btw
[19:04] <vip> yes I am
[19:05] <BluesKaj> ok , sddm is included in the ppa I posted above
[19:05] <vip> BluesKaj: so there's an error in http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2 ?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> vip , perhaps you should ask in #kubuntu-devel then because I'm not familair with those ppas anymore , I've already upgraded to 15.04 ...but i keep 15.10 with plsam4  as my base due to stability
[19:08] <BluesKaj> err 14.10 :)
[19:15] <vip> BluesKaj: thanks


[23:36] <xangua> induz: like we have told you since the last 6 hours at least, simply delete the last 3 lines
[23:36] <Jezek> Darael, there was an output. but the install has been at 50% forever
[23:36] <bazhang> induz, gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and place a # in front of the breezy sources; then save the file and sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:37] <cannonfodder> hey you guys...whats a good video editing software for ubuntu?   basically, i need to copy the audio from a video into a separate file, edit it with audacity, then overide the original audio of the video with the one i edited in audacity
[23:37] <Jezek> shcherbak, no file there
[23:37] <cretsiah> any1 familiar with this avi 2 smv converter http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~yurac/interests/smv-encode/ ?? does any1 know where i can try to alter the display size?
[23:38] <BernardV> cannonfodder: ffmpeg (console)
[23:38] <cannonfodder> thanks
[23:38] <shcherbak> Jezek: /var/lib/dpkg/lock , sorry wrong paste
[23:38] <induz> sudo apt-get upgrade ???? its for what
[23:38] <Jezek> shcherbak, there is no dkpg folder
[23:39] <VCoolio> cannonfodder: avidemux, pitivi; also for a list http://tinyurl.com/pjcls
[23:39] <juniour> it for upgrading ur system
[23:39] <Jezek> oh sorry mistyped
[23:39] <juniour> induz
[23:39] <induz> Thanks Bazhang....but I dont want to upgrade to any other version of ubunt
[23:39] <bazhang> induz, first the output of lsb_release -a in a pastebin please
[23:39] <Jezek> shcherbak, delete this file?
[23:39] <BernardV> induz: for upgrading all the packages that have a newer version
[23:39] <bazhang> induz, and then edit the sources.list
[23:39] <Darael> Jezek: Advisable to kill the running dpkg process first.
[23:39] <induz>  lsb_release -a
[23:39] <induz> No LSB modules are available.
[23:39] <induz> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[23:39] <induz> Description:	Ubuntu 9.10
[23:39] <induz> Release:	9.10
[23:39] <FloodBot3> induz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:39] <induz> Codename:	karmic
[23:39] <BernardV> induz: apt-get update updates the sources
[23:39] <Jezek> Darael, how so
[23:39] <bazhang> induz, until you get rid of those breezy sources, you wont get it fixed
[23:40] <induz> I inserted # in front of Breezy sources and saved the source file
[23:40] <bazhang> induz, repaste it for us to see
[23:40] <induz> I have also shown my lsb-release above
[23:40] <BernardV> induz: then run "apt-get update"
[23:40] <Darael> Jezek: If you remove the lockfile, run another dpkg, then the one that's already running might at some point resume and wind up leaving your system inconsistent.  Issue "sudo killall dpkg" to be safe.
[23:41] <induz> it says : No LSB modules are available.
[23:41] <saintly> Im trying to get Compiz fusion on my 10.10, can anyone help? i have the icon and the settings manager, but none of the effects.
[23:41] <saintly> xubuntu that is
[23:41] <joshua> !java
[23:41] <induz> now its updating
[23:41] <Jezek> thanks
[23:41] <shcherbak> Jezek: can you post me output of sudo apt-get install -f ??
[23:42] <bazhang> induz, please show us the new sources.list
[23:42] <induz> what is LSB Module??
[23:42] <juniour> upgrade
[23:42] <bazhang> induz, dont spam the channel with it, use a pastebin
[23:42] <c0de_Red> saintly, under Visual effects, have you tried switching it to Extra?
[23:43] <induz> here : http://pastebin.com/G0NuCGxJ
[23:43] <induz> I am not spaming the chaneel
[23:44] <juniour> hi
[23:44] <Jezek> shcherbak, http://pastebin.com/1h5e1AsV
[23:44] <induz> can U read it now
[23:44] <KM0201> induz: why don't you just rremove those breezy repos?... what do you have them for?
[23:44] <bazhang> induz, you are either updating now, or have another package manager open
[23:45] <strouthos> Hi. the touchpad of my laptop has always worked fine, but after using the laptop with an external keyboard and mouse for some time, the trackpad suddenly doesn't work anymore. Could anyone help me out?
[23:45] <induz> I can Update now
[23:45] <bazhang> induz, wait til its finished then proceed
[23:45] <KM0201> oh ok
[23:45] <induz> those Breezy lines are for Hindi  Dictionary but It doesnt work
[23:45] <Bilz> strouthos, i had this problem
[23:45] <BernardV> bazhang: I think you mean Jezek .. just for induz's sake ;)
[23:45] <KM0201> induz: oh ok... well, hope your upgrade goes smooth now
[23:45] <induz> now it Updates 100%
[23:45] <BernardV> ah ok.. nvm
[23:46] <Bilz> strouthos, well, sort of. i turn off my touchpad when i was using my mouse once, and went back to use it and it wouldnt work
[23:46] <KM0201> induz: what are you trying to do, upgrade karmic?
[23:46] <strouthos> Bilz: How did you fix it?
[23:46] <bazhang> induz, the plf sources are looooong gone
[23:46] <juniour> man irssi
[23:46] <Bilz> strouthos, its a common problem, and there are a few fixes (non of which i recall). however, just google it and see what you find
[23:46] <induz> no, I dont want to Upgrade as karmic has problem
[23:46] <Jezek_> turns out acidentelly rebooting my computer fixed it
[23:46] <shcherbak> Jezek_: you sure that no synaptic, update manager is rinning?
[23:46] <bazhang> induz, you're on Karmic now
[23:46] <Bilz> strouthos, at what point i got it to work but it was jerky. im afraid i cant remember exactly what i did to fix it, but im an ubuntu noob and i googled and managed a fix
[23:46] <KM0201> induz: so what are you using?.. .all yoru repos say karmic
[23:47] <Jezek> shcherbak, it says its installed now
[23:47] <induz> wow...Karmic is working now
[23:47] <Jezek> shcherbak, can't seem to find it anywhere though
[23:47] <cryptic1> im definately a linux noob. I am trying to hook up a usb turntable and am on several sites. Most say that dmesg says it should show up ok
[23:47] <KM0201> lol
[23:47] <strouthos> Bilz: Ḯ've been googling it for some time myself.....
[23:47] <induz>  Earlier it had some problem with my USM DEll wireless adpater
[23:47] <induz> now its working!!!!! great
[23:47] <cryptic1> I am not finding anything and have no idea how to interpretate the dmesg results
[23:47] <shcherbak> Jezek: anyway, run commands you where given, they will clean system
[23:48] <bazhang> induz, fixed?
[23:48] <induz> I was in Koala earlier
[23:48] <KM0201> induz: wel, now you can upgrade to 10.04..lol, since karmic will be EOL in about 4mo..lol
[23:48] <induz> yes its working now
[23:48] <induz> EOL??
[23:48] <juniour> there is any antivirus for ubuntu
[23:48] <Jezek> shcherbak, i think i tried most of them
[23:48] <shcherbak> Jezek: sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get update
[23:48] <juniour> ?
[23:48] <KM0201> induz: end of life
[23:48] <xangua> !eol > induz
[23:48] <Jezek> k
[23:48] <BernardV> induz: End of Life
[23:48] <Darael> !av | juniour
[23:48] <pops> Can someone help me with accessing wireless networks in ubuntu?
[23:48] <bazhang> induz, end of support cycle
[23:48] <juniour> k
[23:48] <cryptic1> it is supposed to run through audacity, but it doesnt seem to detect the usb device?
[23:48] <shcherbak> Jezek: they did not work with lock
[23:49] <Jezek> seems like this command is doin something
[23:49] <KM0201> pops: do you know what wireless device you have?
[23:49] <induz> ok... I am new in this ubuntu
[23:49] <c0de_Red> welcome
[23:49] <induz> Thanks guys for virtual help
[23:49] <Marcos> Boa noite
[23:49] <c0de_Red> Bienvenidos
[23:49] <Guest76786> alguém barsiç
[23:49] <KM0201> induz: well, good luck w/ it...
[23:49] <pops> what's the pm command?
[23:49] <Guest76786> algum brasileiro
[23:49] <induz> I dont want to Upgrade to a latest realease as sometimes there are driver problem
[23:49] <pops> anyone know?
[23:50] <_jesse_> pops: /msg username
[23:50] <KM0201> pops: i asked you what your wireless device was
[23:50] <aeon-ltd> pops:  /query name
[23:50] <BernardV> pops: /msg [nick] [message]
[23:50] <induz> I want to install HunSpell
[23:51] <KM0201> induz: what is hunspell?
[23:51] <Darael> induz: sudo apt-get install hunspell
[23:51] <induz> wow!!! I am at Karmic now
[23:51] <KM0201> oh spellchecker
[23:51] <pops> sorry
[23:51] <Jemt> I'm remastering Ubuntu. Can someone tell me how to add translations for a new menu entry in isolinux/txt.cfg ?
[23:51] <pops> your name was red when you asked me i thought it was a pm
[23:51] <Bilz> strouthos, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1508556 try this?
[23:51] <hidnshadows> Does anyone here have any experience with tor/vidalia?
[23:52] <induz> why My keyboard is slow suddenly??
[23:52] <jef91> Anyone know if nautilus can handle menu protocol somehow like pcmanfm does?
[23:52] <Darael> 1anyone | hidnshadows
[23:52] <Bilz> strouthos, it looks like a page i found when i was searching
[23:52] <Darael> !anyone | hidnshadows
[23:52] <Jemt> Changing existing translations is not a problem. I just can't seem to figure out how to add one
[23:52] <C_Okie> so in the MBR, the addreses 01BE thorugh 01FD ( the table of primary partiions) is pointers to the adress and meta data on the parition itself?
[23:52] <KM0201> !tab | pops no... thats so you can see what i'm saying
[23:52] <induz> I have spellChecker... I want the dictionary
[23:52] <KM0201> pops: regardless, what is your wireless device?.. lspci should show it, assuming its internal
[23:52] <sosaited> Does anyone know dd command parameters here?
[23:53] <BernardV> hidnshadows: Yeah, don't run a tor exit node :P relay ok, but exit....you don't want to know what kind of sites are accessed
[23:53] <pops> what is lspci?  I have to warn you I'm not a very adept computer user :/
[23:53] <ridin> pops, lspci shows you the connected hardware in the computer, interally
[23:54] <Darael> !anyone 1 sosaited
[23:54] <sosaited> I want to know if to provide "records" value to "seek" parameter or the bytes?
[23:54] <BernardV> pops: lspci = list PCI devices
[23:54] <tomlikestorock_> I'm trying to upgrade a server from 6.06 to 10.04 via the command line. I've changed my /etc/apt/lists/sources.list file to point from dapper to lucid, but when I sudo apt-get update, I get this: E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_main_binary-i386_Packages (1)
[23:54] <hidnshadows> I keep getting a conflict with one of my programs, on install there's a debconf setting. This setting, no matter what it is, gives me an error when I reboot. also bernardv, I'm not new to tor. I don't use it for illegal stuff, but rather getting around the school firewall
[23:54] <KM0201> pops: open a terminal, type "lspci" no quotes(and thats a lowercase L)..a nd hit enter.. it will spit out your PC's devices, find yoru wireless device in the list and tell us what ti is(don't give us the whole freaking list)
[23:54] <induz> is this the command for installing an application : sudo apt-get install
[23:54] <ridin> induz, yes
[23:54] <induz> thanks
[23:54] <juniour> yes induz
[23:55] <tomlikestorock_> is there a step I missed?
[23:55] <pops> well im using windows, otherwise i can't access the internet
[23:55] <pops> do what you said
[23:55] <pops> should i go into ubuntu
[23:55] <pops> and come back as soon as i can?
[23:55] <KM0201> !who | pops
[23:55] <KM0201> pops: yes... you should...
[23:55] <Darael> hidnshadows: Depending on your school's AUP, that may actually qualify as "illegal stuff".  I have a feeling we're not supposed to support firewall evasion even if it seems to be legal in here, but ICBW.
[23:55] <ridin> tomlikestorock_, i'm not a very good user though, but according to the wiki you can't upgrade to one very old release to something a bit modern :d
[23:56] <tomlikestorock_> ridin; ack. what should I aim for first, then?
[23:56] <hidnshadows> darael and I use it elsewhere, just so that people can't snoop, especially on open networks.
[23:56] <ridin> tomlikestorock_, i'm i can't help much, but you can try downloading and installing lucid
[23:56] <BernardV> hidnshadows: I don't judge tor. I think it's beatifull, but I ran an exit node for a few months and one day I thought.. "What the heck, I will log the url's..." What I have seen I don't want to share, but it was enough to stop being an exit
[23:57] <sam-_-> hidnshadows, how's the speed? last time i used it was 5 years ago. it was horrible
[23:57] <Darael> hidnshadows: Fair, and I'm not judging tor.  Or you.  Just a heads-up, you may not want to say the other use.
[23:57] <BernardV> sam-_-: It still is, that's why I thought it would be nice to run an exit on my 1Gbit uplink
[23:58] <hidnshadows> bernardv yeah, I know what you mean, and it sickens me. sam-_- it depends on where the tube exits. For example the common australian does very poorly
[23:58] <sam-_-> BernardV brought to you by Google?
[23:58] <rww> hidnshadows: When I've installed tor, I haven't gotten debconf prompts. What's it asking you for? Are you using packages from Ubuntu's repositories (if so, which version of Ubuntu?), or torproject.org?
[23:58] <BernardV> sam-_-: Nope
[23:59] <BernardV> sam-_-: in DCG amsterdam
[23:59] <hidnshadows> rww I'm using torproject's repos, and it's like "do you want vidalia to restart tor when run" or something
[23:59] <juniour> barnardv i am  able to watch you tube videos in movie player
[23:59] <juniour> sorr y not
[23:59] <juniour> how to enable
[23:59] <juniour> it
[23:59] <sam-_-> BernardV, but you don't have 1gbit @ home, do you?
[23:59] <rww> hidnshadows: Ah. I don't install Vidalia. It's caused problems for me with starting tor at boot, and it doesn't add much imho :\


[00:52] <KillerCookie> hi there
[01:08] <Bob2016> Hi.  plasmashell and krunner aren't starting automatically.  what should I reinstall to fix that?
[01:17] <sithlord48> what kde version ?
[01:17] <sithlord48> Bob2016:  does it same to hang at the log in screen?
[01:58] <Bob2016> sithlord48: 5.4?  and it doesn't hang at all.  It opens to a screen with cairo-dock (a startup app) and conky (another) against a black background.  If I launch konsole from cairo-dock and then launch plasmashell and krunner manually, they seem to run fine (in fact that's how I'm logged-in now).
[01:59] <sithlord48> Bob2016:  iirc thats was common w/ 5.4
[01:59] <sithlord48> Bob2016:  if possible you might want ot enable the backports repo and get new kde stack
[02:06] <Bob2016> sithlord48: you mean upgrade to 5.5?  I'm not sure i'm not already using 5.5... Let me check...
[02:07] <Bob2016> sithlord48: is 5.5 stable at this point?
[02:07] <Bob2016> looks like i am on 5.4.3
[02:09] <Bob2016> do you promise this is a good idea?
[02:10] <Bob2016> its listing like 200 packages that will be held back if I press "Y"
[02:12] <Bob2016> ok let's see if dist-upgrade breaks everything
[02:16] <sithlord48> there will be alot of packages to upgrade.
[02:50] <mack__> hello
[03:14] <em> When I leave my laptop unused, and then resume it, I find that tons of stuff is added to the screen and moved around, stuff added randomly to the panel, totally ruined.. Id love any advice for how to fix this since otherwise Kubuntu just can't be used. Here is an image of what I find when I start the computer: http://i.imgur.com/0wYFlY3.jpg
[03:14] <em> then I have to delete the panel, create a new one, delete all that crap on the desktop, its a big pain and only to have it randoly messed up again next time.
[03:30] <Bob2016> Dangit :( I just updated from 5.4.3 to 5.5 because plasmashell wasn't autostarting.  Now it still doesn't autostart, but it also segfaults when I launch it manually
[03:48] <valorie> em: have you locked both your bottom panel and your desktop, using the little "hamburger" menu?
[03:49] <valorie> ||| on its side
[04:28] <dark-jedi> Every time I go to install something, I get package warnings: "This version of <package> is from an untrusted source..."
[04:28] <dark-jedi> Anyone else get warnings like that?
[04:29] <dark-jedi> Are Ubuntu Wily sources all untrusted? Cause this message is getting annoying.
[04:59] <valorie> dark-jedi: I've not gotten that warning
[05:00] <valorie> I would `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade` if I were you
[05:00] <valorie> sounds like perhaps some security updates have not been installed
[05:03] <dark-jedi> Thanks valorie I'll check that out.
[05:04] <valorie> good luck
[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:39] <arm1e> can someone help me to add my owncloud account. It is mentioned in the online accounts settings but there is no owncloud option.
[09:34] <meena> i'm not looking forward for systemd on servers.
[09:38] <yossarianuk> hi - if you are in the unfortunate position of having to connect to an exchange server for work what is the best way of doing so nowadays via Linux/Ubuntu ? not done so for years....
[09:38] <lordievader> meena: Why not? It is much better than that dreaded upstart.
[09:39] <meena> lordievader: it's very big, very opaque, has very bad defaults (as we've found yesterday) and an absolutely toxic community.
[09:40] <lordievader> Meh, defaults are rarely correct for a given system. Overall I like systemd a lot.
[09:40] <meena> lordievader: i do agree that, from a technical starting point, it's better than an event-based system that tracks processes using ptrace.
[09:40] <meena> yossarianuk: i generally used their web-interface which was always very good… but i haven't touched an exchange system in half a decade, so, i don't know.
[09:41] <meena> lordievader: ok. so, right now, i'm trying to find out what happens when i shutdown (or reboot, or halt) my system. i.e.: which tasks will be executed (or killed) in which order.
[09:42] <meena> lordievader: i was trying to affect a reordering. i want my dm-crypt to be unmounted after my other dm-devices, where my root and swap partitions are on.
[09:43] <meena> this: https://gist.github.com/2b61286f12371387beb1e3b968b18be1 didn't do anything.
[09:43] <yossarianuk> meena: cheers
[09:43] <meena> yossarianuk:  i've heard that evolution sorta kinda works.
[09:44] <meena> i honestly don't know. i'm trying to get away from email XD
[09:45] <yossarianuk> meena: I used to use evolution - cheers.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:25] <BluesKaj> howdy all, again
[13:29] <Smurphy> Morning.
[13:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Smurphy
[14:13] <Smurphy> So - I'll be taking the plane Saturday morning... Traveling to Santa Clara/CA ...
[14:35] <bonsoir> allo
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hi bonsoir
[17:18] <foormea> hiya. what do you suggest for remote backup-ing? i'm seeing a few options: duplicity, remote-sync, unison. which is better? unison seems to be cross-platform which sounds nice, but i'm wondering if it's doing okay with file permissions
[17:37] <BluesKaj> foormea, rsync works well
[17:40] <lordievader> Or dirvish, wich is based on rsync.
[17:54] <delatjua> you can do great things with rsync in a couple of script
[17:54] <delatjua> *s
[17:54] <foormea> ok. thanks BluesKaj and lordievader
[17:58] <foormea> duplicity seems pretty nice as the remote copy is easily encrypted and single-filed
[17:58] <foormea> instead of having a mirror
[17:59] <foormea> there is no easy way with rsync to do that, is there? rsync just supports making a full mirror?
[18:07] <BluesKaj> foormea, afaik  once the first implementation is finished only the changes between duplicate folders is synced
[18:13] <foormea> yeah, this i understand, what i mean is i think rsync stops at making a mirror in an efficient way
[18:28] <lordievader> You can tell rsync to make a new copy using hardlinks to files that haven't changed. Thus everytime it runs you have a full backup.
[18:29] <lordievader> That is what dirvish does.
[18:50] <merike> hi, I've been wanting to try beta2 but got stuck in the installer with inactive forward button
[18:51] <merike> is there a bug on that or how do I find out why it gets stuck?
[18:52] <soee> are you sure all required fields were filled ?
[18:54] <merike> well, it's the preparing to install screen which only has two checkboxes that shouldn't be required for all I know
[18:55] <merike> like downloading updates during install and get third party software
[18:57] <jonathan_zz> I installed 15.10 and then upgraded. That didn't go perfect either, but at least I was able to continue using the shell :p.
[18:58] <jonathan_zz> Saved me a DVD :).
[18:58] <jonathan_zz> although it took a long time.
[18:58] <jonathan_zz> I must say.
[18:58] <jonathan_zz> Before I thought Kubuntu 14.10 was the best I had used.
[18:59] <jonathan_zz> And, I have tried 15.04.
[18:59] <jonathan_zz> But I do believe the system is much better now.
[18:59] <jonathan_zz> I still don't like Breeze and atm my system is not very pretty, but at least I have Oxygen icons (important to me).
[19:00] <jonathan_zz> the oxygen icons only work when I select e.g. Air as the theme, many themes will show Breeze icons when I select them.
[19:00] <merike> unless that top left battery like icon means something I don't grasp.. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=256xv05&s=9#.Vv1zZ4a0uUs
[19:01] <jonathan_zz> it is probably supposed to mean a laptop not on wall power?
[19:02] <jonathan_zz> or maybe it thinks you have enough.
[19:03] <merike> jonathan_zz: except it is on wall power
[19:03] <merike> and even the battery is full
[19:14] <fireant_> Does anyone else here have Astericks installed under Cent OS?
[19:16] <lordievader> fireant_: I get the feeling you are in the wrong channel ;)
[19:16] <Pici> fireant_: probably not, since this is #kubuntu, not #centos or #asterisk
[19:16]  * fireant_ slaps himself round the head. soz
[19:16] <lordievader> ;)
[19:40] <jonathan_zz> merike: I am sure you tried restarting. Otherwise I couldn't know. I didn't even use it to get into this system. You can always try to see if there is some process you can kill and start again.
[19:44] <merike> jonathan_zz: I did try another machine with another OS, strangely enough got stuck same place
[19:44] <merike> but according to google it cannot be that widespread problem
[19:44] <merike> trying 15.10 and upgrade route now
[20:15] <jonathan_zz> merike: another OS? you mean doing a VM install?
[20:16] <merike> jonathan_zz: yes, easiest way to try it out (usually)
[20:17] <jonathan_zz> merike: I saw bootcamp (I think) on the Mac today, it was so much easier to use than VirtualBox.
[20:21] <merike> I don't do Macs :)
[20:21] <merike> Virtualbox is also easy with 15.10, not sure what the 16.4 issue is about
[20:22] <jonathan_zz> I mean on Windows VirtualBox is just another program.
[20:22] <jonathan_zz> on the Mac it is integrated into the os.
[20:41] <Hekp> wow thats a busy one
[20:41] <Hekp> hi people
[20:54] <jonathan_zz> you spent 30 seconds in a channel and you said wow thats a busy one :).
[21:15] <amichair> hi, I'm getting inconsistent errors running apt-get update. I see that archive.ubuntu.com resolves to 10 different ip addresses, but most of them return 404 when requesting e.g. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/source/Sources.bz2. Is this normal?
[21:34] <ronnoc> amichair: no. must be a temporary issue. you can, however, find the fastest server to you and use that one exclusevely via Muon (depending on your OS version), or command line (ex. http://tuxdiary.com/2015/06/13/find-fastest-ubuntu-mirror-cmdline/)
[21:34] <amichair> ronnoc: thanks, I know how to workaround, just wondering about the source of the problem
[21:35] <ronnoc> I did notice updates d/ling much slower this morning than normal
[21:35] <ronnoc> but I'm assuming that the it's a temporary thing, as it's happened in the past


[01:08] <callmepk> good morning
[01:19] <duflu> Morning callmepk
[01:21] <callmepk> morning duflu
[01:33] <ItzSwirlz> Morning...  ̶i̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶n̶o̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶.̶S̶.̶
[06:10] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:12] <duflu> Morning seb128
[06:12] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you? did you have a nice weekend?
[06:13] <duflu> seb128, I am not great today, but OK. Weekend was nice. Lots of family and a 4yo birthday. How are you?
[06:14] <seb128> I'm alright, a bit tired though and trying to figure out how to handle work days best with kids around since lockdown continues :-/
[06:16] <jibel> Good morning
[06:16] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:16] <duflu> biab
[06:18] <seb128> lut jibel
[06:19] <seb128> (dropping from irc for a bit so bbl)
[07:12] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:25] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:28] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:56] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu jibel oSoMoN and other desktoppers
[07:57] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson. Happy belated birthday
[07:57] <callmepk> Hi marcustomlinson jibel oSoMoN
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> duflu: thanks :)
[07:59] <jibel> Hi marcustomlinson callmepk duflu oSoMoN and all
[08:00] <callmepk> also happy belated birthday marcustomlinson
[08:48] <ricotz> good morning desktopers :)
[08:49] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz
[08:50] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[08:51] <ricotz> hey marcustomlinson duflu
[08:55] <didrocks> good morning everyone!
[08:56] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[08:57] <seb128> hey ricotz marcustomlinson didrocks
[08:57] <seb128> I'm back from a morning nap ;-)
[08:59] <oSoMoN> good morning/afternoon marcustomlinson, callmepk, jibel, ricotz, didrocks & seb128
[08:59] <didrocks> hey hey hey @all (and Laney who is coming in the next 2 minutes)
[09:01] <Laney> NO
[09:01] <Laney> good I thought I would miss the two minute window
[09:01] <Laney> hi
[09:02] <oSoMoN> hey Laney :)
[09:03] <didrocks> heh
[09:03] <didrocks> 09:59:43        didrocks | hey hey hey @all (and Laney who is coming in the next 2 minutes)
[09:03] <didrocks> 10:01:43           Laney | NO
[09:03] <didrocks> see EXACTLY 2 minutes
[09:05] <Maik> lol
[09:05] <Laney> :D
[09:05] <Maik> what a exellent timing
[09:06] <Maik> look, he did it again
[09:06] <Laney> moin didrocks and oSoMoN and Maik
[09:07] <Maik> good morning Laney didrocks oSoMoN and all the others
[09:07] <ricotz> hello seb128 oSoMoN didrocks Laney
[09:08] <duflu> Morning Laney and Mail
[09:08] <duflu> Morning Laney and Maik
[09:11] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:11] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[09:12] <Laney> wb seb128
[09:12] <Laney> how chaotic is the chaos?
[09:12] <Laney> [----------------------x--] about there I guess
[09:12] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128 didrocks Laney
[09:18] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, it's quite chaotic indeed :-/
[09:42] <Laney> :(
[09:47] <Maik> hi duflu
[09:47]  * Maik was on the phone
[09:52] <seb128> Laney, there is a press conference tomorrow about the lockdown status, it's likely they will announce they will push back reopening to feb 8th, unsure if that includes childcare service though (but is likely)
[10:23] <Laney> seb128: :/
[10:23] <Laney> I think here the pre-school stuff is still open
[10:26] <marcustomlinson> not here
[10:50] <marcustomlinson> I like how the government thinks that "working from home" = "you have loads of time to babysit and homeschool now"
[13:04] <iourarum> Hi, quick question, I have installed intel-mkl and intel-mkl-full in Ubuntu with sudo apt get install. Is this supposed to install ifort / intel fortran as well?
[13:22] <cpaelzer> hi Desktop people o/
[13:22] <cpaelzer> The calendar does not show one of you on +1, so I thought I better ping/ask here
[13:22] <cpaelzer> is src:gst-plugins-bad1.0 known for being odd/faulty in any way?
[13:23] <cpaelzer> I see segfaults in its build when running dh_gstscancodecs
[13:23] <cpaelzer> I'd just want to avoid chasing red herrings, so I thought I ask here before I debug too much
[13:28] <seb128> cpaelzer, hey, we do +1 every other week, is that a local issue or on builders?
[13:28] <seb128> it's not a known by us afaik
[13:28] <cpaelzer> right now on builders but reproducible there, I started local-repro and s390x-repro (issues is s390x+ppc64) and will know in a few minutes if it is reproducible there
[13:30] <cpaelzer> if it isn't a known time-sinkhole I'm fine to debug on my own for now - just wanted to walk into a known trap :-)
[13:31] <cpaelzer> ^ not ^
[13:34] <seb128> k, happy debugging!
[15:52] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:52] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:52] <marcustomlinson> howdy hellsworth
[15:53] <hellsworth> hey guys i hope you had a good weekend :)
[15:56] <Laney> moin hellsworth
[15:57] <hellsworth> o/ Laney !
[16:00] <didrocks999> hey hellsworth
[16:01] <didrocks999> seb128: ack for subscribing desktop-packages to opencc? (it used to be in main)
[16:05] <ItzSwirlz> Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone :D
[16:05] <ItzSwirlz> Done with 'python programming'
[16:05] <hellsworth> hey there didrocks999 !
[16:05] <ItzSwirlz> a.k.a. cringy school stuff. The stuff that was being used in the modules was from Berkely Logo which I used to play with 5 years ago... gives me fond memories
[16:05] <ItzSwirlz> Hi hellsworth
[16:06] <hellsworth> hi ther ItzSwirlz :)
[16:10] <didrocks999> hey ItzSwirlz
[16:16] <ItzSwirlz> and i just found out my dad knew the initial author of berkely logo from MIT.
[16:16] <ItzSwirlz> what a small world
[16:38] <marcustomlinson> ItzSwirlz: also the developer of Snap!
[16:41] <marcustomlinson> well the project lead did at least, many of his students contributed to Berkeley Logo, perhaps you mean one of them


[03:18] <bryce> apw, so this cycle it appears Intel has again shifted to a new drm-whatever branch as the new cool thing they're asking users to test.  drm-intel-fixes
[03:19] <bryce> apw, the drm-intel-next-proposed branch seems to have been abandoned.  How irritating would it be to drop that branch and add drm-intel-fixes in the autobuilder?
[03:36] <ohsix> bryce: talk to Sarvatt, i think he knows more than you'd hope to ask about that :D
[03:38] <bryce> ohsix, I take it it's already been looked into?
[03:39] <bryce> I pm'd about it the other day in fact, but haven't gotten his reply yet
[03:39] <ohsix> about your question specifically i don't know, but he knows about all the trees and the intel drivers
[03:42] <bryce> ohsix, ok thanks.
[09:06]  * apw yawns ...
[09:13]  * cking offers apw some coffee
[09:13]  * apw offers cking a gold star
[09:13] <cking> how nice
[09:14] <apw> cking, we need a mumble tie breaker to know who is broken
[09:15] <cking> apw, what have you broken?
[09:17] <apw> cking, who knows, mine is above average in the working department normally
[09:17]  * apw cries
[09:18] <cking> apw is stuck in a twisty maze of pulse audio and mumble complexity
[09:19] <apw> cking, right i will have to reboot, but i have an update in flight ... so ... i'll be a while
[09:21] <smb> apw, Have you got the special pulse running there?
[09:21] <apw> nope
[09:22] <cking> what changed since yesterday (apart from a shed load of updates?)
[09:22] <smb> one thing that sometimes helps me is
[09:22] <smb> doing the usual killing of mumble and pulse
[09:22] <smb> then start mumble but not immediatly connect
[09:23] <smb> then go to config and set output to something like alsa
[09:23] <smb> apply and set it back to pulse
[09:23] <smb> then connect
[09:23] <smb> (of course apply going back to pulse too)
[09:32] <jk-> bah, mumble misbehaving
[09:32]  * jk- heads out
[09:39] <apw> bryce, ok switched that intel branch over to drm-intel-fixes
[09:41] <reisei> hi, all. I have a question about DSS. So, in 2.6.38 with bootarg omapdss.def_disp=dvi I can choose the default screen. I start the system and when I plug the cable, the image appears. In 3.0.13 screen stays black and goes to power-saving mode. How can I fix it in 3.0.13?
[09:45] <bryce> apw, sweet, thanks
[10:04] <Daviey> diwic: around?
[10:05] <diwic> Daviey, hi there
[10:06] <Daviey> diwic: heya
[10:06] <apw> diwic, Daviey has a mac 7,1 which is playing up
[10:06] <Daviey> diwic: so... i have a ma
[10:06] <Daviey> thanks apw
[10:06] <Daviey> diwic: The sound, following a fresh boot - the audio plays sounds 'out of order'
[10:06] <apw> OH, Daviey this fix which went into that very very latest precice kernel
[10:06] <apw> thats for a 7,1
[10:06] <diwic> bug 909419
[10:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 909419 in linux "[Several MacBooks (with PCI SSID 10de:cb89)] Choppy sound. Videos play double speed" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909419
[10:07] <Daviey> So, for example, if i played audio saying "hello" the speakers would play "el-he-lo""
[10:07] <apw> Daviey, do you have Ubuntu-3.2.0-10.18 ... if not get that and test
[10:08]  * apw will be a bit dissapointed if it works :)
[10:08] <Daviey> 3.2.0-10-generic :(
[10:08] <apw> Daviey, check the # number
[10:08] <Daviey> err
[10:08] <apw> as the fix is only in the second -10
[10:08] <apw> Linux dm 3.0.0-16-generic #26
[10:09] <apw> that # number
[10:09] <Daviey> <IP_ADDRESS>.10
[10:09] <Daviey> oh
[10:09] <apw> nope that linux-meta
[10:09] <Daviey> #17-Ubuntu
[10:09] <apw> ok, there is an update then
[10:09] <Daviey> updating
[10:09] <apw> diwic, you will be pleased to know i slipped your fix in with some security updates
[10:10] <apw> diwic, did you see anything about my mic in that dump by the way ?
[10:10] <Daviey> apw slips it in.
[10:10] <apw> f'nar
[10:10] <diwic> apw, security fixes for 3.2? or are you talking SRU here?
[10:11] <apw> diwic, yep for 3.2, vary rarely we get asked to expedite things out
[10:11] <apw> even into development
[10:14] <diwic> apw, so given the last bunch of testing (thanks for organising!), if I rebase my branch and add signed-off-by and remove "sound.git" where applicable, you think it's good enough to be merged before friday's upload?
[10:15] <diwic> the jack-detection branch (sorry for changing topic)
[10:15] <apw> diwic, arrrg ... got the link to that wiki page
[10:15] <diwic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/PreciseJackDetectionTesting
[10:15] <diwic> cking just reported that his regression was fixed
[10:16] <diwic> apw, and still waiting for response from arges but I'd assume it's the same one
[10:16] <apw> cking, if your regressions are sorted can you fix your entry on the wiki ^^
[10:17] <cking> ack
[10:17] <apw> diwic, i think i lean to having it in if the testing is looking reasonable
[10:17] <diwic> apw, and xyzzyman I've been in contact with and his regressions are resolved as well
[10:17] <apw> as there is no better time than an alpha to get some testing
[10:18] <apw> diwic, ok can you update his entry or get him to, that helps with convincing people
[10:18]  * apw will test another box today at least
[10:19] <apw> diwic, ok the PPA has kernel and pulseaudio, what is the ramifications if just the kernel makes it in
[10:20] <ohsix> i think the kernel just enables the jack functionality to userspace, so without pulse the jacks wont work as a user expects
[10:22] <diwic> apw, hmm, I'd make sure PulseAudio makes it in if the kernel does, but for the hypothetical/transient question: in general same behaviour as it is currently
[10:22] <diwic> apw, individual machines might get better jack detection
[10:23] <diwic> apw, but the kernel must go first in order not to regress
[10:23] <apw> i think mine does just with the kernel
[10:24] <diwic> does what?
[10:25] <ohsix> better jack detection
[10:25] <apw> i think my acer had better behaviour with just the kernel change
[10:25] <apw> i believe thats when it first split the volumes for headphone/speakers
[10:25] <apw> ok so... we need to go first anyhow
[10:27] <Daviey> diwic / apw: Doh, fresh boot - audio works fine.. thanks!
[10:27] <Daviey> I was sure i tried postional_audio already tho :/.. oh well.
[10:27] <apw> Daviey, users who moan when there is nothing wrong ...
[10:28] <apw> Daviey, ,.. and can't do testing right :)
[10:29] <Daviey> apw: right.. damn slackers.
[10:30]  * apw goes find a patch to stop Daviey's machine working again is some other subtle way
[10:31] <Daviey> apw: honestly, there isn't much more you could do to make my experience less fun.
[10:31] <Daviey> :)
[10:32] <apw> :))
[10:32] <apw> Daviey, don't challenge me
[10:33] <Daviey> heh
[10:38] <diwic> apw, just so I get this right. You wanted old-commit, blank line, signed-off-by <me> line, cherry picked from <sha> line. Is that correct?
[10:40] <diwic> or signed-off-by under the cherry-pick line?
[10:53] <apw> diwic, old commit commentry and signed off by _them_ // <blank> // (cherry-picked ...) // BugLink: (if any) // S-o-b: _you_
[10:53] <diwic> ok
[11:00] <apw> #define ACC_MODE(x) ("\004\002\006\006"[(x)&O_ACCMODE])
[11:05] <diwic> hmm, this one I wrote, so there's already a sign-off by me
[11:05] <rbasak> What's the plan on getting the fix for bug 920511 applied please (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2012-January/thread.html#18628) I realise that the issue is more complicated but I can't automate the workaround so my dev cycle is like treacle right now. Can we just get the reversion into the archive and sort the details later?
[11:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 920511 in linux-ti-omap4 "Regression: netinst on panda armhf fails" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/920511
[11:06] <rbasak> AIUI, 921137 prevents me from automating the workaround
[11:06] <rbasak> bug 921137
[11:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 921137 in flash-kernel "Flash-kernel-installer doesn't support d-i debian-installer/add-kernel-opts in preseed " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921137
[11:07] <rbasak> This means that Ubuntu Server on ARM is uninstallable right now
[11:09] <apw> bug 920511
[11:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 920511 in linux-ti-omap4 "Regression: netinst on panda armhf fails" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/920511
[11:13] <apw> rbasak, i am being told that the arm team don't want the revert in, which is why we are holding it, they are happy with the work arround
[11:13] <ppisati> rbasak: the arm decided for the booargs workaround, please ping orga/gruemaster/ndec/etctec
[11:14] <ppisati> rbasak: see yesterday #ubuntu-arm log for a disucssion about it
[11:14] <rbasak> OK, I wasn't aware of this. I'll speak to them - thanks
[11:14] <apw> rbasak, so you either need to get them to agree we apply the fix, or pound on whoever supports flash-kernel
[11:14] <rbasak> understood
[11:21] <diwic> apw, modified commit messages now pushed to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=diwic/ubuntu-precise.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/jack-detection-backport . Verified that all patches are in Linus' tree with same SHAs.
[11:22] <apw> diwic, excellent thanks
[11:35] <apw> bryce, ok the first build is done and published
[11:45] <apw> diwic, know anything about optimising mumble so it doesn't eat your machine alive ?
[11:46] <ppisati> back in 10mins
[11:51]  * apw drops to test a kernel
[11:59] <apw> diwic, so just testing your new kernel on an oneiric userspace
[12:00] <apw> diwic, and that also seemed to work, and gave me a new mic :)  the internal one, properly listed separatly
[12:00] <apw> diwic, with its own mute so i can mute the internal and not the external mic, nice
[12:15] <apw> diwic, ok on my dell the headphone is listed as unknown all the time, but does the right thing
[12:15] <apw> diwic, as in the destination changes as expected, but the kernel doesn't know
[12:15] <apw> (is that working or broken ??)
[12:47]  * apw pokes diwic
[13:53] <tgardner> herton, don't forget to upload Lucid LBM whilst doing the Lucid kernel
[13:53] <herton> tgardner, ok
[14:08]  * apw re-pokes diwic
[14:09] <tgardner> cking, are you able to mount ecryptfs file systems using the current 3.2.0-10 kernel ? I'm getting this in dmesg: 'Mount on filesystem of type eCryptfs explicitly disallowed due to known incompatibilities'
[14:11] <cking> tgardner, I'm running 3.2.0-10 fine with ecryptfs
[14:11] <tgardner> cking, how about if you do this: 'mkdir -p .junk junk;mount -t ecryptfs .junk junk' and accept the defaults ?
[14:12] <cking> lemme see
[14:13] <tgardner> cking, hmm, maybe its because its stacked. it works in /tmp
[14:13] <cking> works for me - but my home is not ecrypted
[14:14] <tgardner> cking, I first noticed this on a server where /home is not encrypted. lemme try there on /tmp
[14:15] <cking> tgardner, I get that now if I repeat those steps in my encrypted Private directory
[14:17] <tgardner> cking, how are you stuffing the keyring ? dmesg: 'ecryptfs_parse_options: You must supply at least one valid auth tok signature as a mount parameter; see the eCryptfs README'
[14:17] <cking> tgardner, this is where the pain begins
[14:18] <tgardner> cking, mount normally prompts for these inputs
[14:18] <cking> tgardner, fs/ecryptfs/main.c specifically checks that the lower fs is ecryptfs and then bails out with that error message "Mount on filesystem of type eCryptfs..."
[14:19] <tgardner> cking, I get that, but now I'm trying on a server with no ecryptfs file systems mounted.
[14:19] <cking> tgardner, and you still get that message?!
[14:19] <tgardner> this is something that used to work
[14:19] <tgardner> yes
[14:20] <tgardner> lemme make sure it works on gomeisa (which is lucid)
[14:21] <cking> tgardner, the README is rather impenetrable - I've not had much luck with the non-Private setup so far
[14:21] <ppisati> tgardner: don't pull the cma revert yet, there's one patch missing and i've two config diffs that can stuffed in the same upload (thermal management&c)
[14:22] <tgardner> ppisati, ack
[14:22] <tgardner> cking, hmm, same behavior on gomeisa, but its running a 3.0 kernel.
[14:23] <cking> tgardner, so how are you normally mounting this?
[14:25] <tgardner> cking, this used to work on a Lucid desktop, so the keyring may have been stuffed: mount -t ecryptfs .junk junk -o key=passphrase,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_passthrough=n,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y
[14:26]  * cking compares his runes he was using yesterday..
[14:27] <tgardner> cking, ok, it _still_ works on my Precise desktop, but only outside of the ecryptfs mount  point, e.g. /tmp
[14:27] <tgardner> so, I think my issue on the server is the keyring
[14:28] <tgardner> cking, can you send me your server runes ?
[14:28] <cking> hrm, however, I was banging my head against the wall trying to mount using: mount -t ecryptfs -o key=passphrase,ecryptfs_cipher=aes,ecryptfs_key_bytes=16,ecryptfs_passthrough=n,ecryptfs_enable_filename_crypto=y,passphrase_passwd=$ECRYPT_MOUNT_PASS $ECRYPT_PRIVATE_DIR $ECRYPT_CRYPTED_DIR
[14:29] <cking> I had no luck and hence discussed this with dustin last night but got side tracked today. Lemme install Lucid on a spare box and see if this works on that
[14:30] <tgardner> cking, I'd think a VM would work for testing this
[14:30] <cking> tgardner, yup, good idea, I've got powerful enough H/W
[14:33] <tgardner> cking, before you go to that trouble, lemme walk over to my server console and login. I'll bet this is a PAM vs SSHD issue.
[14:34] <tgardner> bbiab
[14:34]  * cking should config up a lucid box, so it's work that needs doing anyhow..
[14:37] <tgardner> cking, hmm, same behavior even after a login to the console. perhaps we should consult our local expert tyhicks
[14:38] <cking> tgardner, when he eventually comes on line later today then
[14:38] <cking> so it works on lucid for you?
[14:39] <tgardner> cking, only on a desktop. it didn't work on gomeisa
[14:40] <cking> I was having issues with this yesterday trying to make it work on top of a loop back mount - I wonder if this is a generic issue
[15:07] <ogasawara> tgardner, apw: I'm planning to pull in diwic's jack detection patch set and smb's reboot syscall patch for Alpha-2.  Anything else I'm missing?
[15:08] <apw> ogasawara, nothing i know of at the moment
[15:08] <diwic> apw, back. So if it's listed as unknown all the time (in PulseAudio), it might help with the PulseAudio in the PPA, if that does not help, well - there are still machines to fix
[15:08] <tgardner> ogasawara, has diwic pushed his fix? I've not seen the regression fix announcement come across the mailing list
[15:08] <apw> diwic, i am not concerned as the user consumable behaviour seems ok
[15:08] <diwic> apw, in particular machines using the model parsers inside the codec drivers, if that tells you anything
[15:08] <reisei> 7
[15:09] <apw> diwic, you should probabally send out a new pull request, as you have updated the patch commentary to make it pretty
[15:09] <diwic> tgardner, the only regression found in the kernel was pushed and resolved the issue
[15:09] <arges> diwic, hey that fix for pulseaudio worked for me. when your patches get in, will the pulseaudio package be updated as well?
[15:09] <apw> diwic, and there you can say whats good
[15:09] <diwic> tgardner, there have been two PulseAudio regressions whereas the second one is waiting to be build in a PPA.
[15:10] <apw> diwic, those are not in the 'existing' pulse i assume right? so if the kernel goes in they don't get tickled
[15:10] <diwic> arges, once the kernel is uploaded I'll try to push the new PulseAudio asap
[15:10] <apw> don't get triggered, only if you have the PPA pulse
[15:10] <ogasawara> diwic: I assume if I upload the kernel by Friday, will that give you enough time to coordinate the PulseAudio upload?
[15:11] <ogasawara> diwic: I can get it uploaded sooner if it helps
[15:11] <diwic> ogasawara, I'm counting on that; would that be Friday morning/evening US time?
[15:12] <ogasawara> diwic: I'd usually wait till the evening on Friday in case of any last minutes patches thrown at us, but I can do the morning if that's easier for you.
[15:12] <diwic> ogasawara, but yeah, doing it today or tomorrow gives me better margin
[15:12] <ogasawara> diwic: let me shoot for today.
[15:12] <diwic> ogasawara, excellent
[15:12] <ogasawara> diwic: that should then be built by tomorrow and I can still upload again on Friday if I need to.
[15:13] <apw> ogasawara, upload fun
[15:14] <ogasawara> apw: I'm just waiting for the OMG we need these patches that will roll in on Friday at 5pm because no one bothered to test until Friday at 4pm
[15:14] <apw> ogasawara, can i suggest we both have friday off, tgardner too
[15:15] <apw> that might learn em
[15:15] <ogasawara> heheh
[15:16] <tgardner> ogasawara, yeah, I might have to skip out Friday for a power day.
[15:16] <tgardner> powder*
[15:17] <ogasawara> tgardner: you been getting a lot of snow?
[15:17] <diwic> or a lot of babies ;-)
[15:17] <tgardner> ogasawara, we did, but its all gonna melt today. 40F plus high winds
[15:17] <ogasawara> tgardner: so you'll have a nice layer of ice over all that powder :)
[15:17] <tgardner> ogasawara, yep, it'll suck
[15:20] <ogasawara> diwic: just want to confirm git://kernel.ubuntu.com/diwic/ubuntu-precise.git jack-detection-backport is the correct branch to pull from and up to date with your latest changes?
[15:20] <diwic> ogasawara, that is correct
[16:01] <tyhicks> tgardner: Hey - still having trouble with the eCryptfs mount command above?
[16:02] <tgardner> tyhicks, I'm about to send an email to you and kirkland` in a sec.
[16:02] <tyhicks> tgardner: sounds good
[16:04] <tgardner> tyhicks, email sent
[17:21] <tgardner> apw, git://github.com/sconklin/autotest.git
[17:46] <apw> ppisati, zinc should be better now
[17:47] <ppisati> cool
[18:28]  * ppisati -> out for some grocery
[18:34]  * tgardner -> lunch
[19:17] <elops> I've started to use zram(ubuntu package zram-config) and I've noticed it gets full and then it's no help any more.  So I wrote a script to run every 5min that swapoff/on all the zram swaps at once.  The attempt is to force the population of disk swap to free up zram swap for less persistent swapping.
[19:18] <elops> I beleve this is something that can better be handled by the linux VM machine, perhaps a component or sub-component of zram itself.
[20:57]  * tgardner -> EOD
[21:56] <kirkland> ogasawara: howdy!
[21:56] <ogasawara> kirkland: heya
[22:00] <jsalisbury> kirkland, o/  Good to see you around :-)
[22:02] <kirkland> jsalisbury: hiya bud!
[22:02] <kirkland> jsalisbury: *loved* the xmas card :-)  thanks!
[22:02] <jsalisbury> kirkland, glad to hear it :-)
[23:47] <bjf> ogasawara: heads up, i was playing with the security tests and one of them is hanging, the jjohansen is looking into it


[10:03] <smspillaz> Trevinho: Hey is the autolander blocked at the moment?
[10:03] <smspillaz> There seems to be a lot of stuff the approved queue for lp:compiz
[10:08] <cimi> smspillaz, hi sam! :)))
[10:08] <smspillaz> hola
[10:08] <smspillaz> hoes goes?
[10:09] <cimi> very good thanks buddy :)
[10:09] <cimi> you?
[10:09] <smspillaz> good good :)
[10:09] <cimi> glad :)
[10:09] <smspillaz> I just finished uni and decided to finish off some old projects that I never really finished
[10:09] <smspillaz> (though nothing is ever done for sure)
[10:09] <cimi> smspillaz, like compiz? :D
[10:10] <smspillaz> you could say that :p
[10:16] <greyback> smspillaz: hey Sam! Hope you're well
[10:46] <smspillaz> greyback: hola
[11:26] <seb128> smspillaz, hey, I we don't have autolanders anymore, things are manually landed through ci train
[11:34] <smspillaz> seb128: coolio - was just wondering if things were blocked
[11:35] <seb128> smspillaz, no, just need somebody to organize a landing, which I think Trevinho is working on (he mentioned it in the weekly desktop team meeting this weke)
[15:09] <bschaefer> greyback, so messing around with the OSK for the deskop. If we are in desktop mode the windows do not move based on the OSK
[15:09] <bschaefer> such as gmail, composing an email in normal phone mode it moves that window above the OSK but in desktop mode it does not?
[15:10] <greyback> bschaefer: unity8 never moves the windows for hte OSK
[15:10] <greyback> instead, the OSK tells Qt apps (mostly) the position of the OSK, relying on them to resize their content to suit
[15:10] <bschaefer> greyback, i thought it update the OSK *position* for qqt?
[15:10] <bschaefer> greyback, sooo its the apps fault really?
[15:10] <greyback> well, since Qt supported this kind of thing, we built it
[15:10]  * bschaefer makes a sad face since it seems to depend on being fullscreen to even do that
[15:10] <greyback> but we may need to reconsider for desktop
[15:11] <greyback> traditional apps won't have a clue about an OSK I can imaging
[15:11] <bschaefer> greyback, very true, this would be more for tablet
[15:12] <greyback> bschaefer: we left it up to the app, because if the app has a text element with focus, and is informed where the OSK is, then the app can best decide how to reflow its content to avoid it being drawn over
[15:12] <greyback> bschaefer: sorry, I gotta run, Take this up next week?
[15:12] <bschaefer> greyback, yup, enjoy your weekend!
[15:12] <bschaefer> thanks for the info!
[15:13] <greyback> o/
[15:13] <ShR3K> In source code, where can I find the top bar with hour, settings... ?
[15:15] <Saviq> ShR3K, look for Indicator*, but that's just the frontend, indicator-* are backend processes that drive them
[15:26] <ShR3K> Saviq : Ok thanks
[19:23] <dandrader> mterry, around?
[19:23] <mterry> dandrader, yup
[19:23] <dandrader> mterry, the easiest MP review ever: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/cleanupDebugLeftovers/+merge/295127
[19:24] <mterry> dandrader, could use a test...
[19:24] <mterry> :P
[19:24] <dandrader> :)
[19:45] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:05] <mterry> Saviq, so the latest u8 autopkg test finished.  But we're in that nether land of waiting for the excuses page to update with the results.  Meanwhile, the running.shtml page no longer shows it.  Is there a third place to see what actualy happened with the job?
[20:05]  * mterry isn't sure if it passed or failed
[20:08] <Saviq> mterry, britney will update the result in a few minutes
[20:09] <mterry> Saviq, I want instant answers!
[20:09] <Saviq> mterry, we need to wait for yakkety feedback anyway
[20:09] <mterry> Saviq, oh?  those are all always-failed (which isn't a great state to be in, but doesn't stop us, right?)
[20:10] <Saviq> mterry, unity8 is uninstallable
[20:10] <mterry> Saviq, ah
[20:10] <Saviq> mterry, or ask QA to disregard it on Monday - I'll take over
[20:10] <Saviq> mterry, but should get better soon, when unity-scopes-api tests
[20:10] <mterry> right
[20:10] <Saviq> argh
[20:11] <Saviq> mterry, recycle please http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-api
[20:11] <Saviq> mterry, or wait
[20:11] <mterry> too late
[20:11] <Saviq> Checking for module 'unity-shell-application=14' failed
[20:11] <Saviq> iinteresting
[20:12] <Saviq> hah I think I know what happened
[20:12] <Saviq> unity-api is newer than unity8
[20:12] <Saviq> in yakkety
[20:12] <Saviq> need to rerun this with while of proposed
[20:12] <Saviq> who;e
[20:12] <Saviq> whole, even
[20:13] <Saviq> gaah this is a mess
[20:15] <mterry> You're making me reconsider upgrading to yakkety
[20:16] <Saviq> mterry, it's fine in yakkety, everything's stuck in proposed ;P
[20:16] <mterry> fair
[20:34] <mterry> Saviq, excuses finally updated, it passed!  so that's one blocker down
[20:37] <Saviq> mterry, ack, great, I've asked people to re-run http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-api with all proposed so this gets unblocked, so http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity-scopes-shell builds and that would make unity8 installable again
[20:37] <Saviq> let's see how we fare


[03:38] <jackh> ogra_: we also have 4470 panda?
[04:00] <virtuald> <3
[05:10] <satellit_trim> testing sugar desktop IRC on TrimSlicePro
[10:59] <_william_> ls
[11:53] <rbasak> infinity: please could you review and sponsor my debdiff in bug 1004018? "make all_build" works. Is there anything I've missed?
[11:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1004018 in debian-installer "Add highbank images" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004018
[12:45] <jtaylor> anyone with access to arm hardware want to help me verify if fftw3 neon extensions work?
[12:59] <muriani> jtaylor: if I had my ubuntu sd in the panda, I would
[12:59] <muriani> at it is relevant to my interests
[13:00] <jtaylor> ubuntu is not required I just want to test if the runtime detection works
[13:00] <muriani> the source download doesn't seem to have the test make target like the beta source did
[13:00] <muriani> ok, well, I don't have any bootable sd in my machine atm :P
[13:00] <muriani> and my panda's about 15 miles away
[13:01] <muriani> I know that when I built from source gnuradio detected it when it builds
[13:01] <muriani> btu when I run make test on gnuradio, it failed qa_fft :/
[13:02] <jtaylor> I want to test it for the debian package
[13:02] <jtaylor> it should also work on hardware without neon
[13:02] <jtaylor> so my interest is the runtime detection
[13:02] <jtaylor> and if it actually speeds it up
[13:02] <jtaylor> their check:http://paste.ubuntu.com/1028526/
[13:07] <xranby> jtaylor: can you post a complete example
[13:08] <xranby> that would allow me to test it quicker on more machines and not waste time completing the testcase
[13:09] <jtaylor> one moment
[13:16] <jtaylor> xranby: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1028546/
[13:16] <jtaylor> the build takes a long time
[13:17] <jtaylor> if possible executed on a machine with neon and one without
[13:19] <xranby> jtaylor: have you tested running this code on a non-arm machine?
[13:19] <xranby> jtaylor: your second paste do only contains the commands you executed.. the code is still missing
[13:20] <xranby> did you give me the correct paste?
[13:20] <jtaylor> replacing neon with sse and avx works fine
[13:20] <jtaylor> on amd64
[13:21] <jtaylor> you mean a paste with source download and extracting?
[13:21] <xranby> jtaylor: yes... how else would you expect me to test it?
[13:23] <xranby> jtaylor: if you want us to help testing the autodetect code.. then post a working example including only this test
[13:24] <jtaylor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1028566/
[13:44] <satellit_> I have a 64 GB SDXC (Sandisk) formatted fat. Can I install to it on my TripSlicePro and boot from it? Any help appreciated. (I do not want to interfere with the 32GB internal HD)
[14:40] <djszapi> ogra_: hey
[14:41] <djszapi> ogra_: for some reason, I cannot make the pandaboard sleep with Ubuntu 12.04. I am sure this worked before the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS installation, but I have not unfortunately tried this until now. Even "echo mem > /sys/power/state" does not put the pandaboard into suspended mode. Got a clue ?
[14:42] <ogra_> sorrym, no, i'm on vacation (i'm actually not here, just sorting some non-work stuff)
[15:03] <angs> has anyone used wifi doggle in ad hoc mode in ubuntu?
[16:00] <ogra_> GrueMaster, heh, your son gets famous, i just read a raspberry article in the most popular german online IT news that praises win32imager over the top (and actually has a direct download likg for the zip in the article)
[16:00] <ogra_> *link
[16:02] <prpplague> hehe
[16:02] <prpplague> GrueMaster: we use it for our validation images for panda....
[16:04]  * LetoThe2nd read it too.
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Excellent!
[16:05] <GrueMaster> Which reminds me, I need to update it soon.  Next rainy weekend...
[16:05] <ogra_> prpplague, somke challenge for your next panda netbook project ... http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/07/thd-n2-kirf-macbook-air-ics/#continued
[16:05] <LetoThe2nd> and i guess they got blackmailed to give a positive conclusion in the end, because  the main text was... lets call it medioce at best.
[16:05]  * prpplague looks
[16:06] <prpplague> ogra_: yea i wish i could show you want _do_ have working, hehe
[16:06] <GrueMaster> Ugh, Cortex-A8?  Better to use dual core.
[16:06] <ogra_> not for that price !
[16:07] <ogra_> a complete netbook for $149
[16:09] <GrueMaster> I wouldn't hesitate to pay $199 for a dual core.  Much snappier.
[16:09] <ogra_> heh, indeed
[16:10] <GrueMaster> Although I'm not sure where I would use it in my current role.
[16:10] <prpplague> ogra_: nice looking item
[16:10] <prpplague> ogra_: that would be easy to "upgrade"
[16:10] <ogra_> go ahead, i'll buy one ;)
[16:14] <prpplague> hehe
[16:14] <muriani> I'd love to use my old psion netbook-pro as local user i/o for my panda
[16:15] <muriani> would have to figure out how to wire up the touchscreen, display, and keyboard though
[16:15] <prpplague> muriani: hehe, pretty easy, i've done a toshiba libretto with omap4
[16:16] <muriani> That migh be an easier solution... I'm just not sure what interfaces they used on the nbp
[16:17] <muriani> would have to do some research. I like the form factor though, although the screen resolution is a *little* limited
[16:18] <ogra_> psion ? thats 800x480 or so, right ?
[16:18] <muriani> 800x600
[16:18] <ogra_> yeah
[16:18] <muriani> linux on that thing is a bit of a bear. Nearly unusable, at least in its current state
[16:19] <muriani> but then it's a pxa255 or some such
[16:21] <muriani> it would have a much shorter battery life running a pandaboard, for sure :)
[16:22] <muriani> Might be easier to have the panda interface as a module that plugs into the rear of the unit or some such.
[16:30] <dsa> does ubuntu-arm have network-manager?
[16:31] <ogra_> ubuntu-arm is exactly the same as ubuntu-x86 if you use the desktop images
[16:31] <dsa> I use rcn-ee's image,
[16:31] <dsa> root@omap:~# sudo service network-manager stop
[16:31] <dsa> network-manager: unrecognized service
[16:32] <dsa> is it normal to not to have network-manager?
[16:32] <ogra_> oh, well, talk to rcn-ee about rcn-ee images :)
[16:32] <dsa> I have not seen him for 2 days
[16:32] <ogra_> well, we only do the official images here ... cant tell if he uses NM in his
[16:33] <dsa> why there is no offical ubuntu image for beaglebone whereas it is available for beaglebone?
[16:33] <dsa> *beagleboard
[16:33] <dsa> the last one
[16:33] <dsa> :)
[16:34] <ogra_> because nobody in the ubuntu teams has a beaglebone
[16:35] <dsa> I hope beagle people will provide beaglebone to your team some day
[16:35] <dsa> have you ever created ad hoc wlan network with embedded boards?
[16:35] <ogra_> nope
[16:35] <prpplague> and/or no one on the beagle team pays canonical to support it
[16:36] <ogra_> prpplague, nobody pays canonical to support the ac100 or mx5 either
[16:36] <prpplague> true, but $$ makes things go faster, hehe
[16:36] <ogra_> oh, put omap4 in that list too
[16:37] <ogra_> the only paid arm arches we have atm are the supercomputing arm thingies :)
[16:37] <ogra_> afaik
[16:37] <dsa> I set one ubuntu board in ad hoc mode by iwconfig. but I can not see it on my laptop by "iwlist wlan0 scan". I wonder if anyone experienced could suggest me any documentation/instruction or something else?
[16:38] <prpplague> ogra_: yea, but omap4 was paid early on
[16:38] <ogra_> yep, and is our best supported platform atm
[16:53] <satellit_> I have a TrimslicePro and and Ubuntu Update Manager  keeps trying to install Linux kernel image for version 2.3.38 on Trim_Slice and fails as it is not signed...How do I get it to run? <IP_ADDRESS>-1.03 "Requires installation of untrusted packages" and fails
[18:40] <satellit_> answered...never mind
[23:56] <TypoNAM> is anybody else having problems with ddd hanging with opening session in Ubuntu 12.04? I can't get it to do anything except exit and it prompting me cause gdb is busy...