[00:16] <Mc> Is it possible to disable the ability for people to mark lp questions as invalid? spambots are doing that automatically and it's real weird for people asking questions and really annoying for people answering.
[00:17] <tsimonq2> wgrant: I see
[00:18] <Mc> (spam accounts are even marking invalid spam questions, wtf)
[00:23] <Mc> (it's especially annoying because "Invalid" questions do not appear in the question list and there is no way to mark them as not invalid)
[00:23] <Mc> examples: https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/470626 https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/464733
[00:37] <wgrant> Mc: We're unable to publicly discuss our spam prevention measures, but do let us know if some spam misses automatic detection and stays around for more than about 12 hours. I'm dealing with those cases atm, thanks for letting us know.
[00:39] <Mc> I think there was a problem with it today
[00:40] <Mc> (I received 1.3k spams today when usually it's an order of magnitude or two below that)
[00:45] <wgrant> Mc: Yeah, sneaky spammers.
[00:45] <wgrant> Sorry about that, they used a new trick that won't work any more.
[00:45] <Mc> ok :)
[00:46] <Mc> thanks for trying to mitigate it, i guess it's not always easy
[00:46] <wgrant> Mc: We still caught the vast majority overnight, there's just a *lot* of ongoing attacks
[02:40] <olly> is it possible to delete a particular language translation from launchpad?  i can't seem to find a way to in the UI
[02:41] <olly> somebody unhelpfully started a translation into en_GB which is what the original strings are in, and the presence of a partial translation seems like it's just going to mean more people waste their time trying to contribute
[02:42] <olly> I also tried importing a .po without any translations, but that seems to not delete the existing translations
[02:44] <wgrant> olly: It's not possible to delete it, no.
[02:46] <olly> oh well
[02:48] <wgrant> olly: Are you aware that gettext defines the original strings to be US English, not UK English, as unfortunate as that is?
[02:50] <olly> FWIW, they aren't actually used via gettext
[02:52] <olly> mostly because the code predates GNU gettext, and it was simpler to convert .po files than to retrofit use of gettext everywhere
[02:54] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[02:56] <wgrant> olly: What you could do is convert the .pot to an en_GB .po and upload that, making it look fully translated...
[02:57] <olly> guess so, seems like I'd need to do that for every .pot update though
[02:57] <wgrant> Yeah, it's not really ideal.
[09:06] <morphis> cjwatson: I am looking at the new method on https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html#snaps and wondering what I can set on the "processors" field, is that just a string collection of architectures I want to build on or do I need to specify processor objects (https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html#processors) there?
[09:08] <morphis> looks like I self answered that, setting "amd64" gives "processors: "amd64" is not a valid URI."
[09:26] <cjwatson> morphis: The elements need to be valid serialisations of individual processor objects.  You can get actual objects from the webservice and let launchpadlib serialise them for you, or you can just pass '/+processors/amd64' etc.
[09:26] <cjwatson> (Yeah, it's a bit weird.)
[09:28] <morphis> cjwatson: thanks, got it working with that
[09:28] <morphis> cjwatson: btw. great work on this, it works like a charm :-)
[16:05] <bdmurray> Is launchpad timing out for other people?
[16:05] <rbasak> I had some timeouts and errors earlier, but retrying worked eventually.
[18:23] <ilmaisin> hello, nick blacksheep001 is spamming this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1642966 with some weird internet connection question and won't believe it's not the correct place for such questions
[18:29] <ilmaisin> maybe i'll ask him again to stop that, this time with little more clear wording and in a private message
[23:39] <qengho> Someone verify something?
[23:39] <qengho> $ python3 -c 'import urllib.request; urllib.request.urlopen("https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser");'


[00:00] <daftykins> don't think it helps when there are all these daft pieces online of "ooh what are the top 20 junk repos and programs you can install on the $new_release ?"
[00:02] <tomreyn> :) probably not. but, especially for windows converts, who don't know better, we must already be grateful if they down't download .deb's (or .run's) from random websites.
[00:03] <tomreyn> the irony is that if you don't work with an admin account on windows, that'd be potentially safer there than on ubuntu.
[00:15] <sarnold> tomreyn: hah, yes, that's entirely possible :(
[00:17] <sarnold> as annoying as go and rust are to package and support, there's no denying that they're safer languages than C and C++ or python or shell, I wish they were better adapted in the foss communities
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[23:28] <oerheks1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute .. is this the new name?
[23:30] <oerheks1> .. from https://launchpad.net/youtube-dl/+packages
[23:45] <guiverc> oerheks1, part of, my system already reports "OS: Lubuntu Hirsute Hanimal (development branch) x86_64"  (from neofetch)
[23:46] <oerheks1> oh nice
[23:47] <oerheks1> could not find the 2nd part
[23:48] <oerheks1> Ubuntu Hirsute HANIMAL Release Schedule “Hanimal” is a placeholder name. We do not have the actual animal name yet
[23:48] <guiverc> yep.
[23:49] <guiverc> I believe I've seen it before, (?animal) but it's not something I take notice of..  I was instead looking up the meanin gof hirsute!


[06:48] <lpotter> just got a slimport adapter and tried the convergence/display thing. The on screen keyboard pops up even though I have bluetooth keyboard connected, and it completely covers the input box so I cannot see what I am typing
[08:48] <Saviq> lpotter, morning, that should not happen... you can find some per-device configuration options in /usr/share/unity8/DeviceConfiguration.qml
[08:48] <Saviq> lpotter, it might be we're ignoring a keyboard too many in your case for some reason
[08:48] <Saviq> we need to ignore some because all kinds of things register as kbds/mice on different devices
[08:49] <lpotter> yes, this one has mouse on it as well
[08:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, seen bug #1519893? looks like ours, unless the plugin loses the header string, could you check? easily reproducible fwiw
[08:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah was having a look now
[08:55] <Saviq> ack
[08:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there's been a big-ish rework of the plugin
[08:55] <tsdgeos> could be there too
[08:55] <Saviq> ack
[08:55] <tsdgeos> i'll assign mysefl
[08:55] <tsdgeos> aj you did already
[09:08] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: the bug 1519893 seems to be on my side FWIW
[09:13] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, ok, thanks
[09:27] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: Saviq: listviewpagehader.cpp says "// TODO recreate sections"
[09:27] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:27] <Saviq> ;)
[09:28] <tsdgeos> you know it was never really needed until pstolowski's better model came around
[09:28] <Saviq> ah that's because of diff updates :)
[09:28] <tsdgeos> so never implemented it
[09:29] <tsdgeos> ah wait, no it's not that one
[09:29] <tsdgeos> that's changing the proerty name
[09:29] <tsdgeos> that we never change, it's always "name"
[09:29] <tsdgeos> but yeah must be related to things that never happend before
[09:30] <pstolowski> reminds me of qFatal we found before ;)
[09:30] <tsdgeos> well those were on purpose :D
[09:30] <tsdgeos> can't happen, don't bother implementing
[09:52] <mzanetti> lpotter, hey, you really don't want stable/ubuntu-developer
[09:52] <mzanetti> use rc-proposed/ubuntu
[09:56] <lpotter> ubuntu-developer seems to have more fun stuff :)
[10:09] <mzanetti> lpotter, like? outdated versions?
[10:09] <mzanetti> :)
[10:10] <lpotter> well.. has OTA 8
[10:10] <mzanetti> oh really...
[10:10] <mzanetti> last time I tried it, it was behind for months
[10:10] <lpotter> and an overload of scopes
[10:11] <lpotter> it was stable/ubuntu that was way behind
[10:12] <davmor2> mzanetti: it gets updated the same time as everything else
[10:12] <lpotter> personally I think they should just be named devel, testing, and release...
[10:14] <davmor2> lpotter, mzanetti: it is the stable channel so it's base image only gets updated when stable is updated ie every 6-ish weeks
[10:26] <tsdgeos> for (int i = change.index; i < change.count; ++i) { <-- me not being very smart
[13:32] <Guest552342> woa! unity 8 has themes http://news.softpedia.com/news/first-unity-8-custom-theme-is-being-built-496759.shtml
[13:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: this fixes the bug with the missing header https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/sectionDelegateUpdates/+merge/278706 not sure how urgent it is reagarding how close to the next release we are
[13:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, next silo should be fine
[13:57] <tsdgeos> ok


[04:49] <slangasek> cjwatson: yeah, that's what I wound up doing for this pass.  Is there some known Garrett magic for gpt-efi-hybridization?  I guess this requires sticking another partition on the end of the ISO?
[06:29] <infinity> slangasek: Matthew's magic is all public (or mostly so?) AFAIK, but public doesn't necessarily make it "known". :P


[02:03] <user|50806> What is minimal system requirements
 @user|50806, The minimum stuff you need for it to work properly
 example: … You need: Eggs, Flour, Salt, etc to make a cake
 @seeshijie, Wellcome!
[04:54] <user|31230> Hi
[04:54] <user|31230> Does Kubuntu 20.04 no longer have K3B?
 @Enis B., Yes Ubuntu supports FP
[09:34] <KjetilK> I'm struggling with whereami, but then, I figured I'd ask instead: Is there anything in KDE/Plasma that can offer similar functionality, i.e. mount NFS volumes when the computer connects to a certain network, umount when it disappears, add certain cron jobs that runs only when on a specific network, etc?
[09:46] <TomyWork> what do i have to restart/reset in order to restore the feature where the windows (meta?) key opens the start menu in kubuntu 18.04?
[09:50] <masonbee-M> You should be able to do it under custom shortcuts in system settings. Weird though, i just tested mine and it works fine (fresh install, haven't played with it, using application dashboard). Or actually, it might be simpler to right click on your menu icon and choose "configure application menu" and there is a keyboard short cut in there as well.
[09:52] <mparillo> It has been a while since I lost the meta key, but back then, right click on your Application launcher > Configure Application Launcher > Keyboard Shortcuts, and check that it is set to Alt F1.
[10:02] <TomyWork> yes that feature crashed twice in the last week
[11:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:25] <keithzg-M> G'morning, BluesKaj! (Which means it's well past time for me to go to sleep, hah)
[11:26] <BluesKaj> hey keithzg-M, been up all night ?
[11:27] <keithzg-M> As all too often!
[11:28] <BluesKaj> night owl eh
 (Photo, 622x591) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0O8gZteZ/file_29946.jpg Hiya all. I am trying to add google online account on Kubuntu 20.04. But after entering password and 2FA code, I am stuck here
 hello , are there any ways to get write permissons on ntfs partitions ??? got read but not write :(
[13:18] <iotaka> usually you can write on ntfs, is a windows partition or an external driver?
 they are external drives
[13:18] <BluesKaj> @ProxyDark set it up in /etc/fstab
 @nash_g5, When you see the blank screen, right click on the white screen and select reload.  You may need to "reload" several times.
[13:19] <iotaka> ntfs-3g is installed?
 @BluesKaj, ok , will try , there was not installed any ntfs-3g ... it is clean kubuntu 20.x
[13:21] <BluesKaj> ahh, usually ntfs-3g is default on kubuntu
 @DarinMiller, Thank you. It worked :)
 @BluesKaj, I've putted that on my fstab but now I just see that the only diference is that owner is now root soo still just got read only :(
 UUID=1CA8AABEA8AA9634 /media/proxydark/Drugi ntfs defaults,x-gvfs-name=Drugi 0 3 …  it looks like that right now on fstab
[13:52] <BluesKaj> @ProxyDark https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-mount-partition-with-ntfs-file-system-and-read-write-access
 thanks will try with this
[13:53] <BluesKaj> bbl
 ooo , found problem 9i guess ) ... The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0). … Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount. … Falling back to read-only mount because the NTFS partition is in an … unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation … or fast restarting.) … Could not mount read-write, trying read-only …   but how can I now fix that without having windows :
[14:07] <ivan_on_trac> Hi When will the update from 19.10 to 20.04 be released?
[14:08] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[14:08] <oerheks> with 20.04.1 release
[14:17] <ivan_on_trac> And when will update to version 19.10 come out?
[14:21] <somekool> ivan_on_trac: why?
[14:21] <somekool> non-LTS releases only have 9 months of support. so 19.10 is dying as of July-August
[14:21] <somekool> there is no point sticking to 19.10
[14:28] <ivan_on_trac> somekool: My current version is 19.10. I figured it would be possible to do a direct upgrade to version 20.04(do-release-upgrade -d)
[14:34] <oerheks> 19.10 upgrade path is out, AFAIK
[14:34] <oerheks> run proper updates; sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:34] <oerheks> then hit the update button
[14:41] <ivan_on_trac> oerheks: Update button? Discover?
[14:42] <oerheks> kubuntu update icon?
[14:42] <ivan_on_trac> My packages, I've updated them all today. I want to do a direct update from version 19.10 to 20.04.
[14:42] <oerheks> it would show you there is an upgrade path available, *if* you properly updated
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> oerheks: It didn't show here! Yes, I did it right.  sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> lsb_release -a
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> No LSB modules are available.
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> Description:    Ubuntu 19.10
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> Release:        19.10
[14:45] <ivan_on_trac> Codename:       eoan
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ivan_on_trac, sudo do-release-upgrade -d, if you're trying to upgrade to 20.04
[15:22] <ivan_on_trac> @Blueskaj:
[15:22] <ivan_on_trac> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:22] <ivan_on_trac> [sudo] password for ivan:
[15:22] <ivan_on_trac> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[15:22] <ivan_on_trac> There is no development version of an LTS available.
[15:22] <ivan_on_trac> To upgrade to the latest non-LTS development release
[15:22] <housecat> sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, change the prompt= line back to prompt=normal, try again
[15:22] <housecat> and next time, use a pastebin as the bot keeps telling you
[15:36] <housecat> I'm aware.
[15:44] <ivan_on_trac> housecat: I made the change. There is no update. https://pastebin.com/5zkHwgjc
[15:45] <housecat> okay, that's a different message at least
[15:45]  * housecat ponders
[15:45] <mind_sage> Hi everyone! I'm looking for opinions on Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. Is it good? Have they fixed the file search issue?
[15:46] <housecat> ivan_on_trac: oh, looks like they updated the available release list since the last time i looked. try it without the -d now and see if that worksd
[15:46] <housecat> so prompt=normal and just sudo do-release-upgrade
 @mind_sage, File search issue?
[15:47] <oerheks> housecat, +1 upgrade path should pop up with the normal update button.
[15:47] <mind_sage> DarinMiller - I remember that the file search in Dolphin wasn't working for me in 18.04 LTS
[15:47] <housecat> oerheks: *nod* didn't know they'd switched it on for 19.10, that is nice
[15:48] <housecat> thank goodness for changelogs.ubuntu.com or i'd just be clueless all the time :3
[15:48] <oerheks> it was just 1 pesky bug to resolve, some week ago
[15:49] <ivan_on_trac> housecat: okay, upgrade in progress. :D
 @mind_sage, To "fix" the dolphin search issue, run "balooctl check".  I have not tested if that is required on a fresh install of 20.04, but search is working fine for me from an upgraded sesssion.
 @nash_g5, @DarinMiller so is the issue with gmail, drive and google accounts been fixed?
 gdrive:// in Dolphin still fails here on 20.04 (including backports).
 Oh :(
 @DarinMiller, No deal breaker. Using Mega.NZ for that which installed like a breeze
[16:30] <rangergord> is kubuntu.org having issues? it wont load for the past few minutes
[16:32] <rangergord> I don't suppose anyone knows a mirror name to get the ISO? All my searches are being dominated by Ubuntu releases, and those mirrors aren't hosting Kubuntu
[16:33] <housecat> if bittorrent works for you, https://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/ seems to still be up
[16:33] <oerheks> or the old way http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/
[16:34] <housecat> cdimage is being hecka slow for me rn
[16:34] <oerheks> s̶h̶i̶p̶-̶i̶t̶
[16:36] <oerheks> kubuntu.org seems to have an issue, indeed
 Hello, my cannot shutdown, restart or logout stuck on there?
 (Photo, 1280x957) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/z98qNgb3/file_29965.jpg
 Hello, my kubuntu cannot shutdown, restart or logout stuck on there?
 How to fix it
 ?
 does ctrl-alt-f2 bring up a tty prompt?
 No
[16:39] <Guest14972> hello how can i install network hacking softwares in kubuntu
 Nothing happens
 In kubuntu. Copying speed at initial stages is very fast but after some time it becomes very slow.
 What could be the issue
[17:10] <oerheks> known issue; copying starts fast, it fills all cache and buffers, then it drops to the real speed
[17:10] <oerheks> so, there is no issue, just be patient.
 Also, dolphin has know speed issues that were not fixed until fairly recently (20.04 app release, not to be confused 20.04 Kubuntu release).
 Use rsync for large file transfer for best tput until the fixed version of dolphin is readily available.
[17:57] <passero> Hi
 Hey
[17:58] <passero> What are we talking about in here?
[17:59] <passero> I don't understand ... all these connected users
[18:00] <passero> there are a few hundred users, but no one speaks
[18:00] <passero> Hy soee
[18:01] <oerheks> hi passero this is kubuntu technical support.
[18:01] <genii> passero: This is a support channel for people experiencing issues with their Kubuntu to ask for assistance with their problem. When there are no support problems being addressed, the channel is  normally quiet.
[18:01] <oerheks> no support issue? join #kubuntu-offtopic for chit chat.
[18:02] <passero> Ah ... okay genii
[18:02] <Java-Dev-Srb> im here to see the interesting issues and to learn more about... and maybe here and there are people for sharing interesting links :)
[18:04] <passero> 86/5000
[18:04] <passero> ... so ... I hope I never need to enter here :-) ... See you
[18:05] <passero> Good evening
[18:25] <oiajdjaso> Hello I have a problem with the samba package. After installing samba package on KUbuntu and configured a share through Dolphin. I tried to open the share from Windows. However Windows keeps sending Unspecified error. I tried to debug via wireshark and for some reasons wireshark only finds messages emitted from other computers received by the
[18:25] <oiajdjaso> faulty Samba server however the faulty samba server on KUbuntu never responds to any of the Negotiation messages
[18:25] <oiajdjaso> is that normal?
 Hey guys, one thing I've been meaning to ask for a while is if anybody knows how to add the System Fonts to a Flatpak application.  Is there a way to share them? And if not share them, how do we add the fonts to the Flatpak version?
 (18.04)
[18:33] <oiajdjaso> I found something the KUbuntu seem to respond as SMB2 protocol. It seem to open a session and then for some reasons Samba does no longer want to work and throw out a STATUS_NO_SUCH_GROUP
[18:34] <oiajdjaso> and it's not windows 10 it's linux which is being dumb here and keep throwing these weird NO_SUCH_GROUP
[18:39] <oiajdjaso> Ok I isolated the two most important messages: Request tree \\kubuntucomputername\IPC$ and response from linux machine is STATUS_NO_SUCH_GROUP and after this win10 either logs off or sends a new negotiation
 @Enis B., Boot into kubuntu and run "sudo grub-install /dev/sdx"  where sdx is the boot drive (typically sda).
 @oiajdjaso, I don't have time to test or help at the moment as I need to run to work for a few hours. I will attempt to test samba/win10 in about 4 hrs.
[18:52] <genii>  I think you would omit the "p2" part there of "nvme0n1p2"
[18:53] <genii> ( that denotes a partition)
 oooh, I have never seen a drive tree like that before...
[18:58] <oiajdjaso> I solved one issue by removing the FORCE GROUP in smb.conf
[21:15] <unknownTX> anyknow know if there are any way to make the white of your screen actually white instead of an off white? Cannot find any color control for the laptop display
[21:21] <valorie> @Enis B. afaik we don't change grub in any way
[21:21] <valorie> that's part of the base ubuntu install
[21:21] <valorie> we do KDE packages
[21:26] <valorie>  Scotty_Trees - I find https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/color-calibrate-screen.html.en
[21:26] <valorie> but I guess I would ask in ... maybe #krita ?
[21:26] <Scotty_Trees> valorie, might be asking the wrong guy lol
[21:27] <valorie> people there might have more experience calibrating monitors
[21:27] <valorie> we have people of all genders in channels, not just men
[21:34] <valorie> perhaps it used to work and stopped working, or stopped being worked on
[21:34] <valorie> I don't know
[21:35] <valorie> however artists using KDE software *will* know, which is why I suggested #krita
 (Photo, 1280x753) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vZc5ESDf/file_30007.jpg
 Any idea how to fix this?
 I try to install theme on kubuntu but it seems not completely
 I also try to copy and paste in to the usr/share/wallpaper
 But it doesn’t work


[07:34] <rbasak> Should security regression reports be marked "Public Security"?
[07:38] <amurray> rbasak: that sounds quite reasonable
[07:38] <amurray> also would be good to subscribe ~ubuntu-security
[07:39] <rbasak> Thanks!
[07:40] <rbasak> (done for bug 2018547)
[07:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Bug 2018547 in ruby2.7 (Ubuntu) "puppet can no longer find puppet:// resources after ruby2.7 CVE Update" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2018547
[07:40] <rbasak> With no judgement on the validity of that to be clear - I haven't looked.
[08:09] <amurray> thanks rbasak
[10:41] <grimmware> hey, just noticed that the EOL for Bionic has moved to the end of May, any reason for that?
[12:29] <ebarretto> grimmware, yes, we have been the past two weeks in planning and doing it together with the move to ESM would be too tricky, so it was decided to postpone it for a month further (end of may). I don't think this will be a thing in the future but rather an exception, but I could be wrong, only time will tell
[13:07] <grimmware> ebarretto: ah so the motivation is essentially to ensure a smooth transition to ESM? Makes a lot of sense, thanks for the context :)


[01:49] <asac> gnomefreak: ok no problem ... i will have to upload tomorrow morning ... so nevermind ... sorry for the noise :)
[08:31] <asac> hi
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> morning
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 71702 bug 68265 bug 71712
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68265 in nagios2 "Issues accessing /var/lib/nagios2/rw with www-data" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68265
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71712 in firefox "firefox crash [@NSSRWLock_UnlockRead]  [@__PK11_CreateContextByRawKey] " [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71712
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> opps...
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> bug 86265
[10:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86265 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@totemScriptablePlugin::~totemScriptablePlugin] " [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86265
[10:15] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm 71712 is in the clue files..thats okay, i'll sort that out later..
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Bughelper/ClueFile
[10:27] <Admiral_Chicago> that was just updated by me...in need of it as well
[10:42] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: any info needed from me?
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> not at the moment...
[10:43] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: http://admiralchicago.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/bughelper-clue-files/
[10:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i finished my blog that took entire way too long...
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> time for bed..
[10:59] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: night
[11:01] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: nice blogger you are :)
[12:00] <gnomefreak> what is it with our patches and upstream releases :(
[12:00] <gnomefreak> why do they take parts of patches not the whole damn thing
[12:03] <gnomefreak> asac: same thing with iceape patches i know the one i added they changed part of the file so i have to regen it. but other patches look like they only accepted parts of it
[12:06] <gnomefreak> nope they havent touched it yet
[12:36] <asac> gnomefreak: isn't iceape updated in svn?
[12:36] <asac> mike probably already did that
[12:36] <asac> mike aka glandium
[12:36] <gnomefreak> i didnt look in svn i look at ftp.debian.org
[12:36] <asac> there is no new version yet?
[12:36] <asac> hmm
[12:36] <gnomefreak> not there
[12:36] <asac> so what patches do fail?
[12:36] <asac> i fixed them here i guess
[12:36] <asac> i can send you
[12:37] <asac> which do you need updated?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> well the one failing last night seems to be working atm ill let you know. so far only my patch this morning
[12:37] <gnomefreak> im gonna build orig.tar than do my patch over and see what happens (or should i do patch first?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> ill do a build before adding patch i think to see if anyother issues are there
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: just to make sure its ok with you iceape version going to be 1.1.2+1-0ubuntu1 is ok? its higher than feisty repo will ever be even if i update it in feisty repo i was thinking of going to 1.1.2-0.mt# or something of the sort
[12:48] <gnomefreak> or stick with 1.1.2+u1-0ubuntu1?
[12:50] <asac> what is in feisty?
[12:50] <asac> what is in gutsy atm?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> 1.1.1-3.mt9 = feisty
[12:50] <asac> both official + preview archive
[12:50] <asac> that is preview
[12:50] <asac> ok
[12:50] <asac> gutsy?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> 1.1.1+u1-0ubuntu1
[12:50] <asac> is it in?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> gutsy
[12:51] <gnomefreak> none are in official repos
[12:51] <asac> is it available at all?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> gutsy still hasnt been pushed
[12:51] <asac> where is it stuck?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> new still
[12:51] <asac> probably hangs in binary new now
[12:51] <asac> are the packages build?
[12:51] <asac> please look in launchpad
[12:51] <gnomefreak> how do i find out?
[12:52] <asac> look at source page of firefox
[12:52] <asac> there you can find the builds
[12:52] <asac> two links you have to follow afaik :)
[12:53] <gnomefreak> iceape source page has no builds
[12:53] <gnomefreak> firefox source page only has ff
[12:54] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/firefox
[12:54] <asac> hmm right
[12:54] <asac> i will try to take care
[12:54] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox  is wherer i am
[12:54] <gnomefreak> oops guess gutsy would have helped
[12:56] <asac> its not there anyway
[12:57] <gnomefreak> nope. i think its just they dont want to push it from what i have seen
[01:10] <asac> takes time
[01:16] <gnomefreak> it does i agree but the 2 people you talked about htis with were agianst having it in repos to begin with.
[01:16] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm dpatch seems very very slow here
[01:17] <gnomefreak> ill be back i have to get ready for pysical theropy
[01:37] <asac> lunch
[01:41] <gnomefreak> ill be gone as well have a good lunch
[02:18] <asac> gnomefreak: back ... cu
[04:06] <asac> bluekuja: pushing
[04:06] <bluekuja> asac: great :)
[04:06] <bluekuja> asac: I move to kdiff
[04:06] <bluekuja> asac: it should use the same build system
[04:06] <bluekuja> asac: I'll take a look
[04:09] <asac> uploading firefox to gutsy
[04:10] <asac> if there are any regressions ... i am away this weekend :-P
[04:12] <bluekuja> asac: I'm away too
[04:12] <bluekuja> :)
[04:28] <gnomefreak> ok im back
[04:28] <asac> gnomefreak: firefox updated in gutsy and bzr
[04:29] <gnomefreak> k ty
[04:29] <gnomefreak> iceape uses dpatch (i can swear it does) :(
[04:31] <gnomefreak> dpatch-edit-patch 82_prefs_ubuntu  doesnt seem to want to play nicely
[04:32] <gnomefreak> it tells me it cant open <30+dirs/file> because they are missing or are not there
[04:32] <asac> he?
[04:32] <asac> are you soure your iceape source tree is fine?
[04:32] <gnomefreak> its not there so it will create one
[04:33] <asac> in proper tree dpatch edit patch should work
[04:33] <gnomefreak> than during copying* it hangs than finally says cant find
[04:33] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Gutsy:~/gutsy_builds/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x$ dpatch-edit-patch 82_prefs_ubuntu
[04:33] <asac> if it breaks then it means that there is need to merge/drop/modify patch
[04:33] <gnomefreak> dpatch-edit-patch: * /home/gnomefreak/gutsy_builds/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x/debian/patches/82_prefs_ubuntu.dpatch does not exist, it will be created as a new dpatch.
[04:33] <gnomefreak> dpatch-edit-patch: * Copying /home/gnomefreak/gutsy_builds/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x to reference directory.
[04:33] <asac> how long does that step take?
[04:33] <asac> i mean "copying"
[04:33] <asac> should take a fair amount of time
[04:33] <gnomefreak> 1-2 minutes before it ends in failure
[04:33] <gnomefreak> maybe more
[04:34] <asac> what patch does fail to apply
[04:34] <asac> ?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> dont know trying to make one
[04:34] <asac> to make what?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> patch
[04:34] <asac> there are patches, aren't there?
[04:35] <asac> first you have to find which patch fails to apply
[04:35] <asac> then you have to find a countermeasure for that
[04:35] <gnomefreak> yes. the patch i added to 1.1.1 wont apply in 1.1.2 so im doing it over
[04:35] <gnomefreak> its still at stage above
[04:35] <asac> gnomefreak: if its the patch i gave you
[04:35] <gnomefreak> dpatch command
[04:35] <asac> ... you can take the exact same file i gave you
[04:35] <asac> just drop it in debian patches
[04:35] <gnomefreak> asac: no its the one i made
[04:35] <asac> for what?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> for the go button on the toolbar
[04:36] <asac> ah
[04:36] <asac> ok
[04:36] <asac> then go ahead
[04:36] <gnomefreak> works in 1.1.1
[04:36] <asac> just make iceape build cleanly ... then dpatch-edit-patch should work
[04:36] <gnomefreak> did you figure out version for gutsy?
[04:37] <asac> no :)
[04:37] <gnomefreak> so i can build orig.tar (that may be why its failing
[04:37] <gnomefreak> i havent built orig.tar
[04:37] <asac> its probably the same version we have in feisty ... just +1 and reset to -0ubuntu1
[04:37] <asac> aeh same we have in gutsy i mean
[04:37] <asac> ah
[04:38] <asac> and use -0ubuntu0.mt1 if its for the mt archive
[04:38] <gnomefreak> 1.1.1+u1-0ubuntu1 is in NEW in gutsy
[04:38] <asac> actually i think you just have to use 1.1.2-0ubuntu0.mt1
[04:38] <asac> why do we have u1?
[04:38] <asac> ah
[04:38] <asac> right :)
[04:39] <asac> now i remember ;)
[04:39] <gnomefreak> i was hoping to drop the 1u
[04:39] <asac> no way :)
[04:39] <gnomefreak> ok
[04:39] <asac> unless you use debian orig.tarball
[04:39] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2+u1-0ubuntu1?
[04:39] <asac> you could do that ... but then you would have to patch what is currently done during orig tarball setup
[04:40] <asac> ... in a dpatch that would be
[04:40] <gnomefreak> dpatch looks like its gonna drop me in /tmp/ so i should beable to get patch in and roll orig.tar after that
[04:41] <asac> it drops you in /tmp/ for patch edit
[04:41] <gnomefreak> to use that version i will have to patch something?
[04:41] <asac> once you exit that shell
[04:41] <gnomefreak> right
[04:41] <asac> it generates patch in original directory
[04:41] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:41] <asac> you can also exit 12121 (some value i don't remember) ... to abort
[04:41] <gnomefreak> edit file == 2 minutes if that
[04:41] <asac> yes
[04:42] <asac> thats why i hate dpatch for mozillas
[04:42] <asac> ... and why i ended up using quilt for our packages
[04:42] <asac> as you don't have to use cdbs-edit-patch (which basically does the same as dpatch-edit-patch)
[04:42] <gnomefreak> right
[04:45] <gnomefreak> can i exit 0?
[04:45] <asac> dunno
[04:45] <asac> ctrl-d i press to exit and update patch
[04:45] <gnomefreak> ok
[04:49] <gnomefreak> brb goes for smoke. im gonna assume fakeroot ./debian/rules source uses changelog to give orig.tar the version. and im thinking 1.1.2+u1-0ubuntu1 for version unless you would rather change it to something else.
[04:56] <gnomefreak> i think it was corrupt, i think i cloned new before i left this morning and didnt do anything to it and it seems to work now. (i also had to clean up alot of stuff due to lose of disk space.)
[04:58] <asac> oh
[04:58] <asac> might be
[04:58] <gnomefreak> it worked :) i have new patch created
[04:59] <asac> great
[05:00] <gnomefreak> merged from upstream? since we didnt use debians build?
[05:03] <asac> what?
[05:03] <asac> in changelog?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:07] <gnomefreak> i guess NEw upstream release since we already sent one release up
[05:07] <gnomefreak> the more i think of it
[05:08] <gnomefreak> ok lets see if orig builds
[05:09] <gnomefreak> ut oh
[05:10] <gnomefreak> i hate this frigging way to build orig
[05:11] <gnomefreak> my fault i forgot to add something to changelog
[05:37] <asac> yeah
[05:37] <asac> its hard
[05:37] <asac> if you move diff from debian orig vs our orig to a patch then you can just use debian's one
[05:40] <gnomefreak> applying patch 20_visibility to ./ ... failed.
[05:41] <gnomefreak> bunch of these too
[05:41] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'debian/patches/38_mips64_build.dpatch' will not be represented in diff
[05:41] <gnomefreak> 1 for every patch it looks like
[05:42] <gnomefreak> attempting to revert failed patch 20_visibility from ./: md5sums match, proceeding ... done (neither success nor failure guaranteed)
[05:42] <gnomefreak> i cant even frigging clean
[05:42] <gnomefreak> 2nd time clean worked
[05:43] <gnomefreak> wtf am i missing
[05:43] <gnomefreak> and i did move everything out of /mozilla/
[05:44] <gnomefreak> i did leave empty mozilla dir there though
[05:45] <asac> i am out now
[05:45] <asac> anything serious
[05:45] <asac> ?
[05:45] <gnomefreak> its failing to build
[05:46] <gnomefreak> due to the above
[05:46] <asac> you messed up your source tree state
[05:46] <asac>  20_visibility from ./: md5sums match, proceeding ...
[05:46] <asac> means that its already applied
[05:46] <asac> you should have run clean before doing anything
[05:46] <gnomefreak> 2nd clean fixed that
[05:46] <gnomefreak> i did
[05:46] <asac> yeah ... but now your underlying source is in wrong state
[05:46] <asac> better start over
[05:46] <gnomefreak> trying again to see if it fails again
[05:46] <asac> btw visibility has to be  dropped
[05:47] <asac> its applied upstream
[05:47] <asac> see the list i send you
[05:47] <asac> about what to drop
[05:47] <asac> those are definitly in there
[05:47] <gnomefreak> what list?
[05:47] <asac> i told you further above what patches need to be dropped
[05:47] <asac> 7 hours ago or so
[05:47] <gnomefreak> for ffox? or IA?
[05:47] <asac> ia
[05:47] <asac> ffox is all done
[05:47] <gnomefreak> k ill scroll
[05:48] <asac> the names might not be the same
[05:48] <asac> but visibility is one of them
[05:49] <asac> gnomefreak: 20_visibility.dpatch
[05:50] <gnomefreak> i dont see any. you said you would send but you didnt
[05:50] <asac>  25_gnome_helpers_with_params.dpatch
[05:50] <asac> has to be replaced
[05:50] <asac> by the one i gave you
[05:51] <asac> looks like those are the ones you need
[05:52] <gnomefreak> k ill try them
[05:52] <gnomefreak> i think i still have the patch
[05:54] <asac> you have to autoconf update the autoconf patch ... but that should automatically happen on clean
[05:54] <asac> cu ... have to do something
[05:54] <gnomefreak> k
[06:13] <gnomefreak> i need to find debians build so i can steal a patch from them :(
[06:50] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a bit. asac if you come back can you check if that patch needs to be dropped. i havent found deians build for 1.1.2 so i cant see if mike dropped it or not, seeing  as its a gecko patch im leaning towards it has been applied upstream
[07:24] <asac> gnomefreak: you can find out
[07:24] <asac> look at bonsai.mozilla.org
[07:24] <asac> search on MOZILLA_1_8_BRANCH
[07:24] <asac> for the file that has been modified
[07:24] <asac> search for changes since beginning of time
[07:25] <asac> and you will see all recent checkins
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> JenFraggle: did you see the planet
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2007-June/002210.html
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't know how that ^^ will affect us / Fx3 / accessiblity in general
[08:46] <gnomefreak> asac: looks like 1 or 2 of the files have been fixed (its hard to tell but im still looking)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> ok looks like i can drop it.
[09:00] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: can you summarize in one line?
[09:00] <asac> fine
[09:00] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[09:01] <asac> if you are sure ... drop it
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: ibm is dropping official (i think paid devs) for accessibility on GNOME
[09:12] <gnomefreak> 99% sure to drop it so i did. now i have to see if the other patch still fails and i doubt that site is gonne help but i will try if it fails
[09:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: what did they achieve so far?
[09:13] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: sorry for my ignorance :) i rarely use accessibility tools seriously
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> neither do i but there is some things about Fx accesiblity on linux
[09:16] <gnomefreak> asac: 99_configure.dpatch looks like its only a local patch (it failied to apply but im trying again.
[09:17] <gnomefreak> oh wait no thats right its ubuntu1.1.x/configure
[09:19] <asac> you have to keep it
[09:19] <asac> its regenerated on clean i guess
[09:19] <asac> so you just have to run fakeroot ./debian/rules clean
[09:20] <asac> if its not updated look in rules file to find the target that does that
[09:20] <asac> (its easy to track)
[09:21] <gnomefreak> so my patch/change that i made will show up in that patch?
[09:22] <asac> if it modified configure.in, then yes
[09:22] <gnomefreak> no my patch didnt modify anything in there (not so say the other patches didnt
[09:22] <asac> gnomefreak: you dropped the visibility patch, which previously patched configure.in
[09:22] <asac> thats why you definitly need to sync it
[09:23] <gnomefreak> yep figured as much but for some reason i have to run clean more than once for things to take like that ive noticed
[09:25] <gnomefreak> the gwget build that i gave up on, it was missing the patch that prevents the autoregen.
[09:26] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'debian/patches/35_zip_cache.dpatch' will not be represented in diff
[09:26] <asac> yeah might be
[09:26] <gnomefreak> i cant frigging win
[09:26] <asac> if you keep your eyes open you should have seen that 99_configure has been regenerated
[09:26] <asac> did you see that?
[09:26] <asac> dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'debian/patches/35_zip_cache.dpatch' will not be represented  in diff
[09:26] <asac> ^^^ thats not a problem at all
[09:26] <asac> just ignore that
[09:26] <gnomefreak> ok good
[09:27] <gnomefreak> all patches leave that
[09:27] <gnomefreak> it fails to apply again damnit
[09:28] <asac> yeah
[09:28] <gnomefreak> asac: where do i look for it to regen
[09:28] <asac> in rules
[09:28] <asac> there is a target
[09:28] <asac> something like
[09:28] <asac> TARGET: ...
[09:28] <asac> and then there should be 99_configure..something
[09:28] <asac> in proximity
[09:29] <asac> i guess its clean
[09:32] <gnomefreak> wanna laugh?
[09:33] <gnomefreak> install -m 644 $(CURDIR)/dist/bin/.autoreg $(CURDIR)/debian/iceape.cfg $(TMP_DIR)/usr/lib/iceape
[09:33] <gnomefreak> ^^ closest so far
[09:34] <gnomefreak> cant find a target let alone a patch number
[09:37] <gnomefreak> asac: its not in here at all from what i can see. heres full rules incase you dont have source: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/529051
[09:38] <asac> gnomefreak: does everything else apply?
[09:38] <asac> if so ... just do it manually:
[09:38] <asac> dpatch-edit-patch 99_....
[09:38] <asac> then autoconf2.13
[09:38] <asac> and done
[09:39] <gnomefreak> oh thats it? ill try it
[09:39] <asac> yes its always that simple
[09:39] <asac> if you cannot enter 99_confi... edit mode
[09:40] <asac> then remove all content from that patch file ..., then enter edit shell, run autoconf2.13 and done :)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> waiting for /tmp/
[09:41] <gnomefreak> i run autoconf2.13 when it drops me into edit mode?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> dpatch-edit-patch: * /home/gnomefreak/gutsy_builds/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x/debian/patches/99_configure.dpatch exists, this patch will be updated.  << ignore that it says it will be updated and still run autoconf2.13 to be safe
[09:43] <gnomefreak> installing autoconf2.13 as we speak :)
[09:53] <gnomefreak> asac: firefox 0.4 hit and is upgrading :) thankyou
[09:55] <gnomefreak> dpatch-edit-patch: * Applying current 99_configure.dpatch for editing.
[09:55] <gnomefreak> applying patch 99_configure to ./ ... failed.
[09:55] <gnomefreak> dpatch-edit-patch: Warning: Could not apply the patch we want to edit -- not aborting, as you may want to work with the .rejs.
[09:55] <gnomefreak> that is bad IMHO asac
[09:55] <gnomefreak> i ran it anyway so we will see
[10:00] <asac> oh dapper ffox is out :/
[10:00] <asac> sit tight
[10:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:00] <gnomefreak> is out is good no?
[10:00] <asac> gnomefreak: its ok
[10:00] <asac> you just remove .rej files
[10:00] <asac> and run autoconf2.13
[10:01] <asac> then you are done
[10:01] <gnomefreak> where do i find .rej files?
[10:01] <asac> search for them
[10:01] <asac> your excersize to find them :)
[10:02] <gnomefreak> ill try
[10:02] <asac> :)
[10:02] <gnomefreak> what are .rej files?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> reject?
[10:02] <asac> files showing what hunks have not been applied due to conflicts
[10:02] <asac> yes
[10:02] <asac> if a patch cannot apply some parts then it creates a .rej file next to the file that could not be patched
[10:02] <gnomefreak> yes in patched
[10:02] <asac> you can then look at it
[10:02] <gnomefreak> dir
[10:02] <asac> and manually do it
[10:03] <asac> of course ... for configure looking at rej and doing manually doesn't make sene :)
[10:03] <asac> gnomefreak: no not in patche
[10:03] <asac> gnomefreak: no not in patched
[10:03] <asac> in normal source
[10:03] <asac> there should be reject
[10:03] <asac> files
[10:03] <asac> anyway
[10:03] <asac> you have to remove them and run autoconf2.13
[10:03] <asac> then done
[10:03] <gnomefreak> ok autoconfig in source dir?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> it seemed to work after using dpatch-edit-patch after ctrl+d it updated it so i ran clean now build and they all applied :)
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: congrats
[10:42] <asac> document everything properly and commit to your private branch ... i can then review
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ok
[10:44] <asac> use distinct checkins per issue you tackle
[10:44] <asac> so i don't have to review one huge diff
[10:44] <gnomefreak> k
[10:45] <gnomefreak> ask me monday if you dont see it
[10:45] <asac> y
[10:46] <gnomefreak> do i have to commit each patch seperate or just debian/patches
[10:47] <gnomefreak> you wont have it monday
[10:47] <gnomefreak> i promise unless i get really lucky. it failed
[10:48] <gnomefreak> /usr/bin/ld: libxpcom_compat.so: hidden symbol `nsHashtable::Get(nsHashKey*)' isn't defined
[10:48] <gnomefreak> i have seen that before
[10:56] <gnomefreak> im grabbing branch again i want to look through the patches that are gone to make sure nothing like that was in them
[10:56] <gnomefreak> come to think of it i still have them incase of issues
[10:59] <gnomefreak> im leaning toward the gecko patch since its full of .cpp hunks
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i dont see anything like the errors i got in any of the xpcom nor the patches we dropped/replaced
[11:13] <asac> gnomefreak: you don't have the latest
[11:13] <asac> source
[11:13] <asac> e.g. visibility.dpath is missing
[11:13] <asac> which you dropped
[11:13] <asac> at least parts apparently
[11:14] <gnomefreak> so i have to re patch it with new patch?
[11:15] <asac> no idea
[11:15] <asac> you don't have latest sources
[11:15] <asac> maybe they are not yet out
[11:15] <asac> what are you doing?
[11:15] <asac> i mean which tarball are you using?
[11:15] <asac> to start with
[11:15] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2
[11:16] <gnomefreak> from ftp.mozilla.org
[11:26] <asac> hmm
[11:26] <asac> interseting
[11:27] <asac> just wait for mike ... he is often quick doing things anyway
[11:27] <asac> maybe he already updated svn?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> i havent seen an svn at all. when i go to it it lists 30 packages none of them are ice anything
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i spent afternoon searching for debian svn
[11:28] <asac> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mozilla/iceape/?rev=0&sc=0
[11:28] <asac> where is the problem :)
[11:28] <asac> start at svn.debian.org :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> yeah went there and no iceape
[11:29] <asac> iceape is not fit for release
[11:29] <asac> sunbird isn't as well
[11:29] <asac> though i got a tiny window starting :)
[11:29] <asac> not bad ;)
[11:30] <gnomefreak> last change to iceape was 5 weeks ago from what i see
[11:31] <gnomefreak> and he didnt drop patches from what i see but still looking around
[11:32] <asac> yeah
[11:32] <asac> he didn't update yet
[11:34] <gnomefreak> oh well i tried to get it out.
[11:47] <gnomefreak> !info firefox edgy
[11:47] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9008 kB, installed size 28608 kB
[11:48] <gnomefreak> asac: seems the source is messd up in edgy
[11:48] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 104290
[11:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104290 in firefox "cant build from source - FC_ANY_METRICS" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104290
[11:57] <asac> hey
[11:57] <asac> current firefox just builds
[11:58] <asac> i have rejected it now
[11:58] <gnomefreak> k
[11:58] <asac> lets see what happens
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ok im out for a while. i wont be here much this weekend but i may pop in from time to time if im home
[12:04] <asac> k nice weekend gnomefreak
[12:04] <asac> i will be out as well