[00:46] <nalioth> why did #ubuntustudio ask for ubot3 if they were just going to +q it?
[00:50] <LjL> nalioth: they have ubotu... perhaps they thought it was still down when they asked?
[00:52] <nalioth> it'd be nice if someone said "we're done with your bot now, thanks for the loan"
[00:53] <LjL> nalioth: be understandful... we make enough of a mess with all these half-working bots ourselfs, no surprise others get as confused
[00:54] <LjL> nalioth: the good news is, the auto-backup is quickly turning away from being vaporware
[00:55] <nalioth> :)
[01:18] <mneptok> if i install the sparc kernel will my computing experience be more sparkly?
[01:24] <Seeker`> If you have a sparc v7 processor, I know the most efficient asm code to compute the sign on the number
[01:26] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, heogen said: ubotu wengophone is better than pppd?
[01:29] <LjL> !bot > heogen    (heogen, see the private message from Ubotu)
[01:57] <ubotu> Odd-rationale called the ops in #ubuntu (free)
[02:40] <Pici> sigh
[02:41] <mneptok> jesus.
[02:41] <mneptok> i can guess why Java isn't working.
[02:42] <LjL> mneptok: he's trying to install it by pasting the code into /usr?
[02:42] <mneptok> LjL: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin > /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so
[02:45] <Pici> ...
[02:45] <Pici> mneptok: that won't work, you'd need to use sudo tee or -c (I think) with sudo for it to exec the whole thing as root
[02:45] <LjL> the tragic thing is i'm not getting the issue
[02:46] <LjL> i guess my java works by miracle
[02:46] <LjL> hasn't been touched since dapper
[02:46] <Pici> I thought he meant it as an io redirect... maybe I'm reading too much into it
[02:47] <LjL> Pici: well yeah that subtle sarcasm would suit him
[02:47] <LjL> wait, no
[02:47] <Pici> Anyway, any particular reason we have "/msg ubotu etiquette" in the #ubuntu topic instead of a link to the guidelines?
[02:48] <LjL> Pici, little compromise against having a huge notice that you shouldn't change your nickname :) if you know who i'm pointing to here
[02:49] <LjL> Pici: and face it, most of the reasons you'd end up being kicked for are in !etiquette and not so much in the guidelines proper
[02:53] <Pici> fair enough
[04:36] <ubotu> Spaceman3750 called the ops in #ubuntu-chicago ()
[04:40] <nixternal> haha, nevermind that...I went in as an alter ego with konversation trying to verify a dcc bug and asked him if he wanted to cyber :p
[04:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, tritium said: !sound is a good place to start
[04:57] <tritium> ah, crap, I didn't mean to do taht
[04:57] <tritium> that*
[04:57] <nickrud> good version, I like it
[04:57] <tritium> heh
[07:52] <Myrtti> pur
[08:03] <elkbuntu> mew
[08:16] <Myrtti> poetic justice
[08:16] <Myrtti> I woke up at about three with the most horrible headache to the sound of my phone announcing low battery
[08:16] <Myrtti> the poetic part being ...
[08:16] <Myrtti> oh nvm.
[08:28] <elkbuntu> heh
[08:28] <Myrtti> is it just me or is kahrytan smug and annoying sometimes?
[08:28] <elkbuntu> so it was as poetic as an emo song
[08:28] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, only sometimes???
[08:29] <Myrtti> I feel like smacking him to the back of his head with a trout
[08:29] <Myrtti> a day dead trout preferably
[08:29] <Myrtti> or two
[08:30] <elkbuntu> hey, dont hurt yourself tryign to hurt him
[08:30] <Myrtti> I couldn't, he lives in a paradise and I don't
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hi calc
[08:33] <calc> hi
[08:33] <Hobbsee> 'sup?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> apart from you breaking OO.o again.
[08:34] <calc> heh i haven't uploaded OO.o in a while so its just 'still broken' ;-)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> ugh.  well fix it!  :P
[08:34] <calc> about to head to bed, been doing bug triage
[08:34] <calc> my ooo bug page looks pretty :)
[08:34] <calc> 382 open 38 new
[08:35] <calc> used to be ~ 670 open 270 new
[08:35] <Hobbsee> wow, nice@
[08:35] <calc> of those over half are upstream and 93 are incomplete
[08:36] <Myrtti> kahrytan is getting down right insultive from what I'm seeing
[08:36] <Hobbsee> godo to see at least part of ubuntu in control of it's bugs
[08:36] <calc> heh
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: i'm watching.  according to him, i'm the one op he hasn't had trouble with, or something
[08:37] <calc> ttyl, headed to bed now
[08:37] <Hobbsee> cya
[08:41] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: so how about having some op that he has had trouble with to deal him. He doesn't like them, they don't like him, and they all act like they have expected the other to act.
[08:41] <Myrtti> :->
[08:42] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: heh, go ahead and deal if you like
[08:42] <ompaul> ohh I'm here
[08:42] <ompaul> hehe
[08:42] <Hobbsee> he has actually had trouble with me before, too
[08:57] <Hobbsee> right.
[08:59] <ompaul> he is anti the goals of this community
[08:59] <ompaul> we can see this from his statements
[08:59] <Myrtti> wasn't he the homophobic from Hawaii?
[09:00] <Myrtti> or do I get them mixed up
[09:01] <ompaul> he is
[09:01] <ompaul> not was
[09:02] <ompaul> Hobbsee, your ban should be one this one  *!?=kahyrytan@*
[09:02] <ompaul> very very specific and one only
[09:02] <ompaul> anyone avoiding that should be shot on site
[09:02] <ompaul> sight even
[09:14] <Seveas> or simply shot
[09:18] <Seveas> !staff
[09:18] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[09:18] <Seveas> spammer for #linuxchat in #freenode and others
[09:56] <jpatrick> g... (?) morning
[09:59] <Hobbsee> ompaul: can you fix it please?
[11:32] <jussi01> nalioth: I asked for ubot3 in #ubuntustudio when ubotu was not responding/out. you requested that we dont remove/kick it, so I didmt, I muted.
[11:37] <jpatrick> !guide
[11:37] <ubotu> guide is hhgttg
[11:38] <elkbuntu> ...
[11:38] <jpatrick> !-guide
[11:38] <ubotu> guide has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2008-03-07 08:05:21
[11:38] <Seveas> ˙˙˙
[11:38] <Seveas> øøø
[11:43]  * jpatrick sighs at roseubuntu in #u
[11:46] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (rosebuntu - repeat link to same page (spammy :9))
[11:55] <ubotu> ripiket called the ops in #ubuntu (paranoibo - pasting commands of malicious intent)
[12:01] <ompaul> Hobbsee, I did
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ompaul: thanks
[12:04] <ompaul> Hobbsee, I left your more general ones in there
[12:06] <Hobbsee> ompaul: i thought i nuked them
[12:06] <ompaul> Hobbsee, you did well
[12:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:27] <jussi01> !staff | [03/15/08 15:23:45] <macckulkin> #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[13:27] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:28] <elkbuntu> jussi01, he's back?
[13:28] <jussi01> elkbuntu: yeah, got that just a couple of minutes ago
[13:28] <jussi01> checked he is on on seenserv
[13:29] <Seveas> again? :/
[13:29] <jussi01> :(
[13:30] <Tm_T> I got it now too
[13:30] <jussi01> Im off for a bit, see you all
[13:47] <ompaul> !staff <mackkulkinn> #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[13:47] <ompaul> !staff | <mackkulkinn> #LinuxChat (away from rushy and big channels) needs some good company and good channel operators. Just introducing once. sorry if this is a nuisence to you.
[13:47] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[13:51] <jpatrick> yep, I got the same
[13:59] <Seveas> Hobbsee, emma does need an XXXXL tinfoil hat it seems :)
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Seveas: heh
[14:24] <emma> Why am I being banned from #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> because you clearly don't want to be there.
[14:26] <emma> Not so.
[14:26] <emma> I was having a conversation with elkbuntu. I was speaking to him about things he was talking to me about.
[14:26] <emma> And then I was kickbanned for making a factual statement?
[14:26] <jpatrick> her* she
[14:26] <Hobbsee> emma: you really are bad at picking females.  elkbuntu is also a her.
[14:26] <emma> Okay with her then.
[14:26] <emma> Okay I did not know that. How could I?
[14:27] <Seveas> jpatrick, elkbuntu is quite masculine
[14:27] <Hobbsee>  a /whois
[14:27]  * Seveas runs for his life
[14:27] <elkbuntu> emma, what does the origin of any company have anything to do with anything?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: then you would have been getting *really* strange looks at the airport...
[14:27]  * Hobbsee reaches for the brain bleach.
[14:27] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I think that happened anyway
[14:27] <emma> elkbuntu - I don't understand the question?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> Seveas: quinn.
[14:27] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i dunno, you got all the huggles then :(
[14:27] <Seveas> BRAIN BLEACH, WHERE'S THE BRAIN BLEACH
[14:27]  * Hobbsee used it all
[14:27] <jpatrick> DID ANYBODY SAY CAKE?
[14:27] <elkbuntu> emma, what is the point of mentioning that the company is israeli?
[14:27] <Hobbsee> mmm, cake
[14:28] <Seveas> damn you, pointy stick!
[14:28] <Hobbsee> there won't be any more till tomorrow :P
[14:28] <emma> elkbuntu - It does not matter much to me, to me the most important aspect is that it's a corporation.
[14:28] <jpatrick> emma: and so is Canonical
[14:28]  * Hobbsee might be an evil corporation of the hobbsee too.  and?
[14:29]  * Hobbsee might be a green alien, come to take your communiications back to mars, and perform tests on human beings.
[14:29] <Seveas> jpatrick, I have this in the oven: http://www.blago.net/_baking_05/img/cake2_20_08.jpg
[14:29] <emma> The fact it is israeli is just another fact. If it were a Canadian corporation I would tell people that you are welcoming a Canadian corporation to record everything we say and publish it on the internet for a profit.
[14:29] <jpatrick> Seveas: yum, I mean APT!
[14:29] <emma> jpatrick -- I don't mind associating with Canonical since it has not lied to me or tried to exploit me.
[14:29] <Seveas> hell, if you could apt-get that, ubuntu would be rich :)
[14:29] <Hobbsee> emma: how do you know that?
[14:30] <Hobbsee> emma: are you aware that there are parts of ubuntu that aren't public either?
[14:30] <emma> Hobbsee - It's a matter of trust.  Sorry for that mistake. I don't really do /whois on people.
[14:31] <emma> Although I didn't realize that /whois tells you that stuff either.
[14:31] <Seveas> because /whois invades privacy?
[14:31] <LjL> emma: invasion of their privacy huh? :)
[14:31] <elkbuntu> emma, i'm one of the lucky ones who dont have to hide information from people
[14:31] <Seveas> LjL, gmta :)
[14:32] <LjL> Seveas, sometimes we think alike (except when we don't)
[14:32] <Seveas> LjL, well, your mind is greater anyway
[14:32] <jpatrick> because /whois shows when someone's /away?
[14:32] <LjL> Seveas: that's not a compliment and we both know it
[14:32] <emma> No /whois is not an invasion of privacy, but I like to take people for what they are, and how they present themselves rather than try to frame them.
[14:32]  * elkbuntu notes that /wii is cooler
[14:32] <Seveas> then you can raid their house!
[14:32] <Seveas> elkbuntu, Super Mario Galaxy1
[14:32] <elkbuntu> emma, yet you framed me male. interesting ;)
[14:33] <elkbuntu> Seveas, har. har. err.... har!
[14:33] <LjL> elkbuntu, well, everyone can make mistake, initially i thought you were an elk
[14:33] <LjL> well, not just initially
[14:33] <emma> elkbuntu - Yes of course people can make mistakes like that.  Though I'd probably disagree with 'bigger and curvier' :)
[14:36] <Hobbsee> haha
[14:36] <Hobbsee> Seveas: then you wouldn't notice the green tendancies
[14:37] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, it'd be harder for them to carry you to the pool too
[14:37] <Seveas> green tendancies?  No chance of seeing it
[14:41]  * jussi01 wonders exactly how this conversation got to where it is...
[14:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: UDS
[14:42] <LjL> jussi01: quantum probability
[14:42] <jussi01> hhahahahah
[14:43] <elkbuntu> hmm... we've accumulated idlers indeed
[14:43] <elkbuntu> who's moha?
[14:43] <LjL> some of these will get upset.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> why?
[14:44] <emma> I'm not idling.
[14:44]  * elkbuntu points to the /topic
[14:44] <elkbuntu> you were so.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> emma: define idling?
[14:44] <emma> I am waiting for you all to finish socializing, because I felt it would be rude of me to interupt you with my issue.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> go ahead.
[14:45] <Hobbsee> people tend to be quiet when there's actual on topic discussion
[14:45] <emma> I would like to be unbanned from -offtopic.  My comments were not out of left field. I was having a conversation with others, including elkbuntu, and the comment I was banned for is accurate and not malicious.
[14:46] <LjL> emma, are you familiar with Wikipedia?
[14:46] <emma> Yes.
[14:46] <LjL> emma: do you know all those templates they have - the "weasel words" one, for instance?
[14:47] <emma> I am not sure that I am.
[14:48] <emma> Not to make this argumentative but just to put it out there, I think that informal speech such as a conversation in a chat room has to have different standards of speech than you would find in, say, an encyclopaedia.
[14:48] <LjL> emma: well if you're interested it's explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles among other places, but anyway the point is
[14:48] <LjL> you can be trolling (in the case of IRC) or being NPOV etc (in the case of Wikipedia) even while stating facts
[14:49] <emma> That's a very interesting statement to me.
[14:49] <LjL> emma: it is interesting.
[14:49] <LjL> emma: when you mention that the company is Israeli - it's a fact, because it is (at least i believe you, i haven't really checked).
[14:49] <LjL> emma: yet does the nationality bear any relevance to the matter? if not, then it becomes a weasel word.
[14:50] <emma> Is that really what this is about?
[14:50] <LjL> also, adding a pejorative adjective just before the weasel adjective is a typical way to subtly transfer the pejoration from the noun to the adjective.
[14:50] <emma> Let me ask you this: If I had said, "The Canadian corporation... " would that also be considered a "weasel" word?
[14:51] <LjL> "slimely Israeli company" - of course it means the company is slimely... yet the choice of word order conveys a slightly different message.
[14:51] <emma> LjL if I had said, "The slimy Canadian corporation" would that also convey the same message to you?
[14:51] <LjL> emma: well, need to see it in the context of the phrase, but yes, since its being Canadian would have very little relevance
[14:51] <LjL> yup
[14:51] <Hobbsee> speaking of isralies, spam has stepped down from the CC :(
[14:52] <elkbuntu> emma, your comment was vindictive and unwelcome. the fact that you were talking to me has zero impact on how your behaviour is taken. i really did not appreciate you trashing the company with the phrase 'slimey israeli'. i found it quite offensive
[14:53] <elkbuntu> emma, you offended me.
[14:53] <emma> That's interesting also.
[14:53] <emma> To me it is surprising that "israeli corporation" is so offensive.
[14:53] <LjL> don't forget the "slimey".
[14:53] <elkbuntu> no, i didnt say that
[14:54] <emma> The slimy adjective applies to the noun not the other adjective. You all are parsing the English langauge pretty hard here in order to justify this ban I think.
[14:54] <emma> But if we are going to do that then lets do that.
[14:54] <emma> Israeli is not being used as a noun in this sentence.
[14:54] <Myrtti> I just love the part that everytime I see emma on any given channel, the discussion always contains the words allow, log, corporation, israeli, slimey etc.
[14:54] <emma> It is being used as an adjective, modifying the noun 'company'
[14:55] <LjL> emma, no, i believe *you* have been constructing your sentences in a way that lets you justify their factual correctness while still conveying trollish messages. that's why i talked about the whole Wikipedia thing, and how you can have a weasel sentence even when stating something "factually accurate".
[14:55] <elkbuntu> slimey corporation is expressly about the corporation. but when you feel the need to interject a nationality, (which by the way, i have relatives who are israeli), and have the phrase 'slimey israeli' blaring,
[14:56] <emma> if I had used Israeli as a noun that would probably be more understandable if you found that offensive. But since I was not, I am not sure how to respond to this criticism other than to say, it is not reasonable to hold people to this level of fine-parsing of the English language in a dynamic real time medium like chat.
[14:56] <emma> elkbuntu - It's like saying "The tall red barn"
[14:56] <emma> The tall does not apply to the word red
[14:56] <emma> It applies to the word barn
[14:56] <Hobbsee> meh, symantecs
[14:57] <emma> I am not the one making this semantics. I am stating the fact about what I said for all to see.
[14:57] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: don't you ever sleep, btw?
[14:57] <LjL> eh emma, the thing is, we don't parse sentences to this level of details with *everyone*, but when you're already on our radar and we believe you *have* an agenda of conveying "slimey" messages while trying hard to keep inside the "rules", then we do.
[14:57] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, you're in my timezone missy
[14:58] <emma> LjL -- Well this post seems to confirm my feelings that I am being targeted and singled out then.
[14:58] <Myrtti> emma: you're doing it all by yourself
[14:58] <emma> Often times, other ops tell me I am paranoid or should wear a tinfoil hat for thinking that.
[14:58] <elkbuntu> emma, you are, because of how you behave.
[14:58] <Myrtti> you don't need our help with that at all
[14:58] <LjL> emma, well yes you are, there is no mystery about it... we don't treat single messages sent to IRC separately, like they were each from a different user.
[14:59] <Hobbsee> emma: if you wish to troll about an israeli company, you may.  You may not to do so in #ubuntu-offtopic, after having already monopolized the conversation for a long time.
[14:59] <emma> Your targeting me and singling me out is what escalates this kind of thing.
[14:59] <sudobash> wow i came into an interesting conversation
[14:59] <Hobbsee> nah.  kahrtan got done earlier.
[14:59] <Hobbsee> hey sudobash
[14:59] <LjL> emma, your persisting in being a troll is what gets you targeted and singled out
[14:59] <elkbuntu> emma, your behaviour makes us feel uncomfortable. sometimes we do not want to have to wait for the end of The Book Of Emma before finishing it.
[14:59] <sudobash> :)
[14:59] <emma> I was not trolling. My comments were within the context of a conversation with other people. It was a natural comment within a natural conversation.
[15:00] <Hobbsee> then i think we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of trolling
[15:00] <LjL> emma, you're trolling right now.
[15:00] <emma> The reason I was banned, it would seem, is that my comment was too true and not pleasant to the ops.
[15:00] <LjL> let me explain.
[15:00] <sudobash> very interesting... *sits back and watches*
[15:00] <Myrtti> it's better than the daytime soaps
[15:00]  * Myrtti has an "IRC dinner"
[15:00] <sudobash> lol
[15:01] <sudobash> mindspring wow i havent seen them in a while
[15:02] <sudobash> did you all see that Atlanta got hit by a tornado?
[15:02] <sudobash> CNN's windows got busted out and they lost a PC
[15:02] <Seveas> sudobash, do you have anything to discuss with us?
[15:03] <elkbuntu> sudobash, do /who *mindspring.com and see how many you can find
[15:04] <Hobbsee> if she starts to troll anywhere else, can someone make sure that they forward her in the same way?
[15:05] <nalioth> sudobash: can we help you?
[15:06] <sudobash> no i'll be quite
[15:06] <Seveas> sudobash, no idling in here
[15:06] <nalioth> see /topic
[15:06] <Seveas> so if you have nothing to discuss with us, /part is your best friend
[15:07] <sudobash> well can i monitor the chat and report stuff here?
[15:07] <jpatrick> (unless you were ban forwarded here)
[15:07] <nalioth> ...if you do have something to discuss, now is the time
[15:07] <Seveas> sudobash, the !ops command does that for you. Other things don't need to be forwarded
[15:07] <sudobash> cool
[15:08] <Seveas> so, please use the /part now :)
[15:08] <sudobash> so !ops nick will forward what just the nickname to this channel?
[15:08] <nalioth> and have a nice day  :)
[15:08] <LjL> sudobash: !ops | nick - and use only in serious emergencies
[15:08] <Hobbsee> gah.  stop triggering my highlights.
[15:08] <sudobash> ok
[15:08] <Seveas> h!opsee
[15:08] <sudobash> sorry
[15:08] <Hobbsee> grrr
[15:09]  * jpatrick /dehilight-ed !--ops today
[15:10] <sudobash> oops
[15:11] <LjL> so unintentional
[15:12] <nalioth> Hobbsee: SEJeff is an op in #ubuntu-hardened and pressenter is an op in one of the eastern European channels
[15:12] <LjL> -pl
[15:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ahhh
[15:12] <LjL> and crdlb... come on
[15:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: give them +v then, if they're trusted
[15:12] <LjL> well +v means you're someone you're supposed to talk to if you've been banned or otherwise have a complain
[15:14] <elkbuntu> nalioth, then they should be in IRC, rather than here
[15:15] <nalioth> i'm just telling Hobbsee who she kicked  :)
[15:15] <Hobbsee> nalioth: right.  yeah, they looked familiar-ish, but i couldn't tell from where
[15:16] <LjL> yeah it's true they should be in -irc rather than here in theory, but you don't want to be too harsh to them either
[15:16] <LjL> and crdlb is almost our op :)
[15:35] <Hobbsee> she requested access to -offtopic
[15:35] <elkbuntu> o.O
[15:35]  * Hobbsee doesn't really have a problem with +b --> +q
[15:35] <elkbuntu> except she can still PM people
[15:35] <Hobbsee> as in, being able to enter it
[15:36] <Hobbsee> she could do that nayway
[15:36] <elkbuntu> and is known to do so
[15:36] <elkbuntu> yes, but this makes it easier
[15:36] <Hobbsee> unsolicited spam penalty is....
[15:36] <elkbuntu> and she's been explicitly told this?
[15:37] <Hobbsee> yes, i did a few days ago.
[15:37] <Hobbsee> she's saying she can't enter now.  strange.
[15:37] <LjL> you have another ban
[15:38] <Hobbsee> where?
[15:38] <elkbuntu> LjL, you earned a pet?
[15:39] <Hobbsee> ahh, found it
[15:39] <LjL> elkbuntu: i love those who think they won't highlight me
[15:39] <elkbuntu> haha
[15:46] <jpatrick> profoX`: hey
[15:46] <profoX`> hi
[15:55] <javaJake> I smell fish!
[16:06] <Tm_T> ok
[16:06] <Seveas> I think he meant: 'I smell like fish'
[16:06] <jdong> is ##unavailable just some random channel or does it have special meaning?
[16:06] <LjL> jdong, join and see
[16:07] <LjL> IF YOU DARE
[16:07] <jdong> cool
[16:08] <jpatrick> weird channel
[16:08] <LjL> duh, everyone dare.
[16:12] <nalioth> jdong: it's been extant for a long time
[16:12] <nalioth> jdong: it's where off-guideline channels are forwarded
[16:13] <jdong> ah :)
[16:37] <ubotu> hydrogen called the ops in #ubuntu+1 ()
[16:40] <ubotu> PowerOfDarkness called the ops in #ubuntu-in ()
[16:43] <jpatrick> false alarm last
[16:43] <Pici> k
[16:44] <jpatrick> ..de
[16:49] <ubotu> In ubotu, Mielas said: ja ne is klar
[16:49] <jpatrick> ...
[16:49] <jpatrick> funny how I said "de" and a german comment came by
[16:51] <ompaul> do you believe in coincidence - if so ring 1800 --- strangebuttrue
[16:51]  * ompaul blinks
[16:51] <ompaul> I am going to reboot this box done some nasties to it
[16:51]  * jpatrick blinks
[16:51] <Pici> uh
[16:53] <nickrud> cool, we just scrolled a lot :) I though ubotu used to say see above
[16:55] <LjL> it does
[16:56] <nickrud> must be smart enough to know > and repeat if that was used last. Good bot
[16:56] <Pici> But !this > user then !this | user doesnt trigger it
[16:56] <LjL> ah no that it doesn't
[16:56] <LjL> mostly because you do need to do that when users are t... i mean, don't realize they have a PM
[16:56] <LjL> no matter how clearly they're told
[16:57] <nickrud> sounds like you're getting frustrated with some people there
[16:59] <LjL> me? nah.
[17:00] <nickrud> see if it works this time.  It wasnt offtopic dumb pos
[18:52] <ompaul> now that is personal abuse
[18:52] <kahrytan> I am getting tired of -ops bs
[18:52] <kahrytan> Stop it now and I will report it.
[18:52] <nalioth> kahrytan: where did this happen?
[18:52] <kahrytan> in #ubuntu
[18:52] <kahrytan> I was talking to cpudan about lastest update.
[18:52] <LjL> kahrytan, no personal insults, those really won't bring you *anywhere*
[18:53] <kahrytan> LjL->  Sorry. I am getting sick of personal abuse by -ops.
[18:54] <nalioth> kahrytan: i am sorry you feel that any time you are addressed by an operator it's "op abuse"
[18:54] <ompaul> you suggesting that you want to whip someone does not warrant a !offtopic
[18:54] <kahrytan> ompaul->  sais !o4o not once but twice. That is bot abuse.  I was talking about legimate ubuntu help issue about a recent update.
[18:54] <ompaul> kahrytan, and the first one missed its target so therefore was nothing to do with you
[18:55] <ompaul> the second one was aimed at you
[18:55] <LjL> kahrytan, that was a t-y-p-o
[18:55] <kahrytan> which was still bot abuse
[18:55] <kahrytan> ompaul-> and I dont give a fly flip what you think
[18:55] <LjL> hahTAB rather than kahTAB
[18:55] <ompaul> kahrytan, here is a bit of fun
[18:55] <ompaul> I don't mind what you think you are banned
[18:55] <ompaul> have a nice day
[18:55] <LjL> kahrytan, weren't you offtopic?
[18:56] <kahrytan> ompaul-> I am reporting you to Council.
[18:56] <kahrytan> LjL->  nope
[18:56] <nalioth> kahrytan: yes, you are.
[18:56] <kahrytan> nalioth->  Nope
[18:56] <LjL> kahrytan: then why did jrib ask you if you had a support question?
[18:56] <ompaul> kahrytan, they are here
[18:56] <kahrytan> nalioth->  if you lie, I will report you too
[18:56] <kahrytan> LjL->  jrib was sharing his experience with me.
[18:56] <jpatrick> kahrytan: you are talking to the IRC council
[18:56] <ompaul> they are here
[18:56] <Pici> 14:48:11 <kahrytan> Cpudan80->  I feel like whipping the person whose bright ideas to update that
[18:57] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  i am aware of that.
[18:57] <LjL> kahrytan, as soon as you joined and gave a statement instead of a question, he asked you whether you had a support question.
[18:57] <LjL> that was a perhaps too subtle hint that you were being offtopic already.
[18:57] <kahrytan> LjL->  support doesnthave to be in a question.
[18:58] <LjL> kahrytan: <kahrytan> Who bright and incredibly stupid idea was to update ubuntu-docs? <- offtopic and insulting
[18:58] <LjL> and not a support question
[18:58] <kahrytan> LjL->  I was seeing anyone had a issue with the update
[18:58] <ompaul> no you were being abusive of a developer
[18:58] <kahrytan> in this case, editor
[18:59] <ompaul> well they had to package it that makes them a dev in my books
[18:59] <kahrytan> Anyways, point is it was offtopic and ompaul  is abuse of powers. End of Story. Do something about it or I contact ubuntu council.
[18:59] <kahrytan> It wasn't offtopic
[18:59] <kahrytan> ^ correction
[18:59] <LjL> kahrytan, contact the ubuntu council.
[19:00] <LjL> you've had too many bans
[19:00] <LjL> and have accused us of too many things
[19:00] <LjL> for me to be willing to come to a compromise about this now
[19:00] <kahrytan> I've had to many personal attacks by ubuntu-ops
[19:00] <LjL> substantiate your claim please.
[19:00] <Pici> I don't see how we "ubuntu-ops" can convince you otherwise at this point it time anyway.
[19:00] <kahrytan> Oh I have
[19:00] <LjL> do it again please.
[19:01] <kahrytan> And I refuse to sit here and watch you take his side, LjL
[19:01] <LjL> then you're not willing to substantiate your claims?
[19:02] <LjL> i mean, if you have already, it should be a copy+paste matter.
[19:02] <nalioth> kahrytan: are you going to tell the Community Council off when they ask you for corroboration ?
[19:02] <nalioth> because they will
[19:02] <kahrytan> I came to #ubuntu for support, it DOESNT HAVE TO BE IN A QUESTION FORM. I seeking out other people who were having issues with latest update.  jrib  was having similar issue and shared it with me. and cpudan joined in. So I talked to him about. I even suggested remedy for him if he wanted to avoid long update process.   You agree?  ompaul informed you of this with the bot.  Then you proceeded to throw a factoid back at him instead of just stopping the conversation after being told it was inappropriate for the channel
[19:04] <Pici> jrib: +1
[19:04] <Seveas> and there's never a good reason for rudeness
[19:05] <LjL> kahrytan: and sine when do we appreciate (from a CoC point of view) rudeness even when it conveys truth?
[19:05] <LjL> let me answer that for you, we don't
[19:05] <jpatrick> kahrytan: If you think you can do better, why not consider joining the dev team?
[19:06] <kahrytan> jpatrick->  in this case, motd is better idea.
[19:06] <Tm_T> :(
[19:06] <kahrytan> Update should have been left til april.
[19:07] <jrib> whether or not that is true is irrelevant to the matter at hand
[19:07] <LjL> kahrytan, your ban won't be lifted today. do you have any further questions for the operators (or otherwise, are you willing to substantiate your claims against operators)?
[19:07] <kahrytan> I just did, ljl. Claim is bot abuse and slander for lying against ompaul
[19:08] <Tm_T> bah
[19:08] <LjL> kahrytan: yes, well, i was talking more in general - in this specific case, i disagree with your interpretation that it was abuse
[19:08] <kahrytan> LjL->  and which isnt based on facts
[19:08] <nalioth> i think the consensus is warranted
[19:08] <LjL> kahrytan: well, i don't see many facts from your side either. so, any further issues?
[19:08] <ompaul> so I lied .........
[19:08] <kahrytan> ompaul->  lying .. saying I was offtopic. That's slander and defamation of character.
[19:09] <ompaul> lovedly
[19:09] <ompaul> hahaha
[19:09] <kahrytan> if it was in real life, I would sue your butt.
[19:09] <LjL> kahrytan, this attitude is not acceptable.
[19:09] <kahrytan> LjL->  lawsuits arent pretty.
[19:09] <LjL> take your threats somewhere else.
[19:09] <ompaul> kahrytan, you called me a pos -- you are on some kind of short fuse to nothing
[19:10] <kahrytan> LjL->  and -ops constantly personal attacks on me makes me want to sue everyone here.
[19:10] <LjL> kahrytan, do you have any further questions?
[19:10] <kahrytan> LjL->  Whenn will ompaul  be punished?
[19:11] <LjL> kahrytan: not anytime, as far as we're concerned
[19:11] <kahrytan> Then calling meeting for ubuntu council first ops then community.
[19:11] <LjL> ok. do you have any further questions for *us*?
[19:11] <kahrytan> Goodbye. I am getting sick and tired of personal attacks by ops
[19:11] <LjL> bye
[19:11] <kahrytan> leave me the hell alone.
[19:12] <LjL> kahrytan, substantiate your claims that we're not leaving you "alone", or drop them.
[19:12] <kahrytan> ompaul  didnt leave me alone.
[19:12] <kahrytan> Do something about the personal attacks and I will take this as high as possible
[19:12] <LjL> kahrytan, stop talking, act.
[19:12] <kahrytan> I'll start mass mailing Canonical if I have to
[19:13] <kahrytan> I'll take this to corporate
[19:13] <LjL> kahrytan, your position is getting less and less tenable
[19:13] <kahrytan> LjL->  That is an personal attack,.
[19:14] <nickrud> sigh
[19:14] <LjL> kahrytan: i don't... think so?
[19:14] <kahrytan> ummm yes it is
[19:14] <stdin> you have a strange definition of a personal attack, and I'd bet you think this is one too
[19:14] <LjL> kahrytan, further questions?
[19:14] <kahrytan> personal attack .. directed an individual.
[19:15] <LjL> well, it's not *anything* directed to an individual - check your 'pedia
[19:15] <ompaul> say nothing
[19:16] <Pici> I was away for awhile, has sudobash's advertising of ##ubuntu-uncensored been brought up yet?
[19:16] <ompaul> no
[19:17] <LjL> Pici, uhm, elaborate
[19:17] <LjL> or elaborate in PM
[19:17] <Pici> LjL: First a 'random' mention of it on #ubuntu+1 and just now he mentioned it to someone in u-offtopic who was asked to keep the language clean.
[19:18] <Seveas> Pici, ugh...
[19:18] <stdin> [18:40]<sudobash> that channel #ubuntu-uncensored is growing
[19:18] <Pici> And /lastlog sudobash in -offtopic reveals hes mentioned it before as well.
[19:18] <Seveas> btw, see +q right now
[19:18] <Seveas> +1
[19:21] <Pici> is he banned in here?
[19:21] <LjL> shouldn't be
[19:21] <jpatrick> he's in -irc
[19:21] <LjL> he's often enough here too
[19:21] <ompaul> * You've invited sudobash to #ubuntu-ops (kubrick.freenode.net)
[19:22] <ompaul> that will now be used as a carrot or stick
[19:23] <albyyx> Seveas, .. where are you... :P
[19:24] <Seveas> albyyx, ?
[19:24] <albyyx> yeah i was just wondering
[19:24] <albyyx> because i've heard a bit of a fuzz about a bot logging the main channel
[19:24] <albyyx> but i don't really get the point
[19:24] <ompaul> well the channel is logged
[19:24] <ompaul> 24/7
[19:24] <Seveas> albyyx, almost all ubuntu channels are publically logged
[19:24] <Seveas> some in 2 places
[19:24] <albyyx> i mean, i just wonder what's it all about
[19:25] <jpatrick> !logs
[19:25] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[19:25] <ompaul> now you can catch up on previous conversations
[19:25] <albyyx> yes that's why i don't get the thing
[19:25] <jpatrick> !no, logs is <reply> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[19:25] <ubotu> I'll remember that jpatrick
[19:26] <albyyx> i mean.. how to say :s
[19:26] <albyyx> if everybody logs a channel what makes this logging specifically so problematic?
[19:26] <albyyx> i think that's it
[19:26] <Seveas> albyyx, some people are overly paranoid about logging
[19:26] <Pici> And they think its an invasion of privacy.
[19:26] <Seveas> it's best to ignore these people if you don't want to get paranoid yourself :)
[19:27] <jpatrick> albyyx: IRC is a public place
[19:27] <albyyx> what im getting is confused yes
[19:27] <albyyx> i thought it was something different
[19:28] <albyyx> thanks for the explanations guys
[19:28] <Pici> Surely
[19:28] <albyyx> i think i get the point see you out here :))
[19:46] <PriceChild> no0tic: ty
[19:48] <jpatrick> PriceChild: yes, congrats, and you too vorian :)
[19:55] <jpatrick> ompaul: ping^
[19:55] <ompaul> sudobash, ahh I see you decided to join us
[19:56] <jpatrick> ompaul: I dragged him in (kinda)
[19:56] <sudobash> http://www.geocities.com/anon_1737/
[19:57] <Pici> sudobash: So? We log our bans and kicks.  Whats the issue?
[19:57] <sudobash> i think theres a little more than that going on
[19:57] <Myrtti> oh?
[19:57] <sudobash> but what is it any of my concern
[19:57] <jpatrick> sudobash: it's to help keep "track" of them to help remove them later etc
[19:58] <Myrtti> with the channels being as big as they are, there has to be some sort of database
[19:58] <Pici> sudobash: Eh? Thats the bantracker.
[19:58] <ompaul> sudobash, should be let serial trolls in - some kind of scoreboad was needed - there are those who would not let you use the channel in a civil fashion if they got half a chance
[19:59]  * Pici scratches his head
[19:59] <LjL> sudobash: i don't see the issue still?
[19:59] <Pici> Me either.
[20:00] <ompaul> sudobash, can you explain what the issue is, cos we really don't see it
[20:00] <sudobash> well it looks odd to me the site says the bantracker is down as of 2007 but its not
[20:01] <sudobash> why do you not want us to see what you are seeing>?
[20:01] <ompaul>  the load on the server was making it unusable
[20:01] <LjL> cook63: change your ident
[20:01] <ompaul> cook63, ccheck your ident
[20:01] <LjL> sudobash, where does it say it's down...?
[20:01] <sudobash> i see... i found a nice sized support channel on efnet called #ubuntu
[20:01] <ompaul> you won't be joining #ubuntu
[20:01] <cook63> Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime!
[20:02] <Pici> well then.
[20:02]  * Pici shrugs
[20:02] <ompaul> where is sudobash
[20:02] <LjL> gonely
[20:02] <Pici> He just left.
[20:02] <jpatrick> LjL: he's been here more than once..
[20:02] <cook63> Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime!
[20:02] <ompaul> no
[20:02] <ompaul> LjL,  leave it there
[20:02] <ompaul> nalioth, ^^ pass that to bearperson
[20:03] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (aiwita-salaita)
[20:04] <ompaul> well the news for sudo bash if they turn up again is this - ubuntu has official channels here not on efnet
[20:05] <Pici> If he doesnt want to be around here, we should just let him leave.
[20:05] <ompaul> there is that
[20:07] <sudobash> so who do the logs of all this support go to?
[20:07] <jpatrick> sudobash: ubuntu has official channels here, not on efnet
[20:08] <sudobash> who cares at least efnet isnt going to log every move imake
[20:08] <sudobash> are the logs being sold to 3rd party corporations or not?
[20:08] <Pici> sold?
[20:08] <Seveas> sudobash, you've listened to emma too much
[20:09] <jpatrick> !logs > sudobash
[20:09] <nikrud> golly gee, I believe everything I read on the interent
[20:09] <sudobash> no it just makes since to me that someone would try to make money off of free support
[20:09] <Pici> sudobash: We're all volunteers here, no one is making money off of this.
[20:10] <ompaul> sudobash, ehh now think of it like this - the answer to most of the questions are on a wiki
[20:10] <sudobash> i didnt say the OP's
[20:10] <ompaul> the company I work for uses a lot of GNU/Linux
[20:10] <sudobash> but Dell is getting their answers from somewhere
[20:10] <nikrud> sudobash: not to be inflammatory, or to continue this discussion further, but you'd best stop using google since they make money based on using free support posted on the web
[20:10] <jpatrick> sudobash: documentation?
[20:11] <Seveas> nikrud, as are yahoo, microsoft, altavista etc.
[20:11] <ompaul> sudobash, I help people and they help me we improve things and we document stuff so we can all get to the next page faster
[20:11] <Seveas> sudobash, so yes, by answering things on freenode, you make money for microsoft
[20:11] <Pici> nikrud: I don't often laugh out loud at things on irc, but that was pretty funny.
[20:12] <ompaul> sudobash, in other words we don't buy that theory - the irc stuff is pretty random
[20:12] <ompaul> sudobash, it needs to be put in some context and acted upon to monatise it
[20:13] <ompaul> sudobash, read the debian wiki
[20:13] <ompaul> read the ubuntu wiki
[20:13] <jpatrick> sudobash: btw, Canonical is responsible for ubuntulog
[20:13] <ompaul> really high quality stuff - now go read a book and read a man page
[20:13] <ompaul> people put that out there
[20:13] <Pici> sudobash: Dell and canonical have a partership, and Canonical isnt running some secret experiment on irc.  Theres only one Canonical employee that I know of here and hes crazy.
[20:13] <ompaul> Pici, there is more than one and he ain't crazy
[20:14]  * nikrud agrees with Pici (there's enough distance between me and the crazy guy)
[20:14] <ompaul> (not that it counts for much coming from me ;-P)
[20:15] <Seveas> ompaul, really? I only see one canonical employee here
[20:15] <ompaul> here
[20:15] <ompaul> hmm
[20:15] <sudobash> well... at least efnet doesnt watch my every move
[20:15] <ompaul> hehe
[20:15] <ompaul> hahahaha
[20:15]  * Pici waves
[20:15] <jpatrick> he has no clue
[20:15] <ompaul> clueless in seattle
[20:15] <LjL> sudobash, it's really this simple: the channel logs are published on the web for anyone to peruse, and whether they do it for commercial purposes or not is of no direct relevance to us. (after all, the same goes for open source software: you *can* sell it, it's often just stupid to, because everyone can also get it for free; so can they our logs)
[20:15] <jpatrick> oh, damn, everything I say is in the logs
[20:15] <jpatrick> LjL: too late
[20:16] <LjL> as always
[20:16] <LjL> guy makes us waste lots of typing just to part
[20:16] <Pici> LjL: He can just look through the -ops logs later and read it.
[20:16] <jrib> haha
[20:16] <nikrud> he can check the logs later if he's interested, or search irseek
[20:16] <jpatrick> LjL: you can still /msg him
[20:16] <LjL> yeah, and so can everyone else, so that's a bit conforting as to the perceived wastage of typing
[20:16] <ompaul> I invited him
[20:16] <ompaul> we should all do it
[20:17] <Pici> nah, I dont care anymore.
[20:17] <ompaul> 50 or so messages saying the same thing
[20:17] <ompaul> argh
[20:17] <LjL> ompaul don't suggest that :)
[20:17] <ompaul> LjL, I am not
[20:17] <nikrud> ompaul: you irish are just plain mean
[20:17] <ompaul> but if I was
[20:17] <ompaul> if carlsberg made IRC operators
[20:17] <ompaul> ......
[20:18] <jpatrick> hi chirpsalot, how can we help you tonight?
[20:18] <Pici> s/tonight/this afternoon/
[20:18] <ompaul> jpatrick, you assume timezone ;-)
[20:18] <jpatrick> ompaul: yeah
[20:18] <ompaul> s/afternoon/evening
[20:18] <ompaul> chirpsalot, ?
[20:18] <Seveas> stick with 'today' :)
[20:19] <chirpsalot> jpatrick someone was ranting about how rude ubuntu ops were and stuff
[20:19] <chirpsalot> said you would get kicked sent here
[20:19] <ompaul> where?
[20:19] <chirpsalot> sounds nice though
[20:19] <chirpsalot> sorry for bothering you
[20:19] <chirpsalot> wanted to see if they were truthfull
[20:19] <chirpsalot> thanks for your time :D
[20:19] <ompaul> unlikely
[20:20] <ompaul> hehe that was a bad ording
[20:20] <ompaul> odering
[20:20] <LjL> wording?
[20:20]  * Pici sniffs
[20:20] <Pici> odoring?
[20:20] <ompaul> ordering of evening
[20:20] <ompaul> arrrrrrr
[20:20]  * ompaul tuppz\
[20:20] <ompaul> ordering of events
[20:28] <jpatrick> LjL: was he sudobash?
[20:28] <jpatrick> ah yes
[20:29] <LjL> yes
[20:45] <sudobash> liars
[20:47] <Seveas> too wide?
[20:47] <LjL> i'm tired of saying so, so "no" :P
[20:51] <Myrtti> errrr?
[20:51] <jpatrick> +b *root*
[21:27] <jpatrick> [<EMAIL_ADDRESS>] hi! happy saint patricks day!
[21:27] <jpatrick> ...
[21:31] <jpatrick> (too bad it's actually march 17th, but I don't have the heart to tell her)
[21:32] <Seveas> hehe
[21:34] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59743/
[21:34] <jpatrick> it's like Dalnet guys..
[21:34] <Seveas> where's that?
[21:34] <Seveas> spam --> ban
[21:34] <jpatrick> no, it's pm
[21:35] <jpatrick> I'd go mad with user!ident@host in channels
[21:37] <ompaul> jpatrick, well tell her she is wrong
[21:37] <ompaul> she has to accept that she makes mistakes
[21:37] <Seveas> she'll never
[21:37] <Seveas> she's a Ron Paul fan
[21:37] <ompaul> and as the resident paddy I am annoyed at that ;-)  [not at all but there you go]
[21:41] <jpatrick> oh god, it's getting worse -.-
[21:42] <Seveas> how?
[21:42] <jpatrick> she asked me how I got the ops
[21:43] <jpatrick> "I am HUGELY appreciative and impressed that you are a developer"
[21:44] <Seveas> jpatrick, tell her you had to perform sexual activites with some of the operators
[21:44] <Seveas> don't mention a name, just a nationality
[21:44] <jpatrick> hahaha
[21:58] <Gary> I got called a developer the other day too
[21:58] <Gary> maybe by her
[21:58] <Seveas> Gary, you only develop love in #gaygeeks :p
[21:59] <Gary> not since you stopped coming there :'(
[21:59] <Seeker`> :O tis a gary!
[21:59] <Gary> I worked ten hours today
[21:59] <Gary> :'(
[22:00] <Seveas> well, when I saw what they did to me in their 'bad' channel I suddenly didn't feel the need to go there anymore :)
[22:00] <jpatrick> "Do they talk about me in that #ubuntu-ops channel"
[22:00] <jpatrick> S***
[22:01] <Gary> Seveas: well wern't you silly for going in there
[22:01] <Gary> even I stay out of there
[22:01] <Seveas> Gary, I didn't go in there
[22:01] <Seveas> you showed me logs from that place
[22:02] <Gary> ahh, yes, they can be scary
[22:31] <Seveas> hi Chousuke
[22:31] <Chousuke> hi.
[22:32] <Seveas> what can we do for you today? :)
[22:32] <Chousuke> emma apparently want to plead her case but can't join this channel. Are you willing to unban her and listen?
[22:32] <Seveas> heh
[22:32] <Chousuke> wants* too
[22:32] <Seveas> we've listened enough to her nonsense (and I don't use that word lightly).
[22:33] <Seveas> you shouldn't be feeding her trolling/paranoia/whatever it is this time
[22:34] <Chousuke> Well, I think she's too prone to making a mountain out of a molehill too. :/
[22:34] <Chousuke> I guess I'm too nice to just watch. :P
[22:34] <Seveas> Chousuke, she's several mountains further than that
[22:34] <Seveas> everest is a molehill compared to her mountain of issues
[22:35] <Chousuke> hmm.
[22:35] <nikrud> Seveas: you are prone to understatement sometimes
[22:35] <Seveas> nikrud, it's hard not to in this case
[22:36] <Seveas> mc44
[22:36] <Seveas> ubotu lies
[22:36] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[22:36] <nikrud> Seveas: I said understatement, not over ;)
[22:36] <Seveas> I know
[22:37] <Chousuke> She's good at discussing various different subjects though, and has interesting points. as long as you stay away from the subject of privacy on IRC :P
[22:37]  * nikrud hates it when people ignore his jokes
[22:40]  * PriceChild laughs heartily and nikrud
[22:40]  * PriceChild catches up
[22:41]  * nikrud smiles gratefully
[22:41] <Seveas> Chousuke, chirpsalot is making an awful lot of sense
[22:45] <Chousuke> About emma ranting? I guess.
[22:46] <Seveas> about the situation in general
[22:47] <Chousuke> I'd very much like to just forget about this situation. :/
[22:48] <Seveas> Chousuke, /part ##ubuntu-uncensored
[22:48] <Seveas> and forget :)
[22:48] <zenwhen> Seveas: I am about to do the same thing
[22:48] <zenwhen> lol
[22:49] <Seveas> zenwhen, just when you promised to talk to us, bad boy :)
[22:49] <zenwhen> I IM'd pricechild
[22:49] <zenwhen> thats enough effort, dontcha think?
[22:49] <zenwhen> :P
[22:49] <Seveas> too much :)
[22:49] <zenwhen> likely
[22:50] <zenwhen> I know more than I wanted to know
[22:50] <zenwhen> I was just trying to be a nice guy and listen to complaints
[22:51] <Seveas> zenwhen, that's laudible but I think you wasted your time :)
[22:51] <zenwhen> Seveas: It wouldnt be the first time. :)
[22:54] <zenwhen> lo
[22:55] <PriceChild> right... I think I'm up to date.
[22:55] <PriceChild> Now for PMs...
[23:48] <LjL-Mobile1> Are you mocking me..?
[23:51] <Seveas> LjL-Mobile1, of course
[23:51] <Chousuke> Picipod sounds cool.
[23:52] <LjL-Mobile1> eh, 1? Don't tell me ljl-mobile is still not timed out since last i used it
[23:54] <LjL-Mobile1> ... That's pretty incredible
[23:54] <LjL-Mobile1> i think i used it like 2 weeks ago
[23:54] <LjL-Mobile1> someone check the idle time?
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] (n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl) : ljl
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] is identified to services
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [LjL-Mobile] idle 148:53:19, signon: Sun Mar  9 20:01:32
[23:54] <Seveas> --- [ljl-mobile] End of WHOIS list.
[23:55] <LjL-Mobile1> baffled
[23:55] <LjL-Mobile1> well ok isn't two weeks but


[03:36] <ahoneybun> hey pleia2
[03:38] <pleia2> o/
[03:41] <ahoneybun> pleia2, I have working mobile data on ubuntu touch now!
[03:41] <ahoneybun> \o
[03:43] <pleia2> nice :)
[03:45] <ahoneybun> yea finally
[03:45] <ahoneybun> also I almost have a real app ready
[03:46]  * ahoneybun has not seen mhall119 in awhile
[03:50] <pleia2> \o/
[03:50] <pleia2> I'm off to dinner, catch you later


[09:31] <d3f4ult> heeey
[09:32] <d3f4ult> somebody?
[09:32] <tomreyn> !ask | d3f4ult
[09:33] <d3f4ult> what
[09:33] <d3f4ult> ._.
[09:34] <tomreyn> d3f4ult: if you have a xubuntu question, just ask it.
[09:35] <tomreyn> d3f4ult: this is common on IRC, most people just join, ask a question, wait, if needed for hoours or days, and may receive a reply (or not, if no one who is able or wants to reply is around during this time)
[09:36] <tomreyn> but you have a good chance to receive a good reply if you stay for a while
[09:37] <d3f4ult> bruh
[09:40] <kurly> you ask for "somebody?" - what are you asking them for?
[09:46] <d3f4ult> ...
[09:58] <kurly> ...
[09:59] <d3f4ult> ...
[15:58] <redflagrun> Trying to uninstall firefox it clearly in the drop down menu when I type in the search box but while typing sudo apt --purge remove firefox* it says it not installed or firefox-esr*
[16:05] <tomreyn> redflagrun: it is probably packaged as a snap
[16:05] <tomreyn> snap remove firefox
[16:08] <redflagrun> @tomreyn dang it I forgot about snap lol thanks
[16:08] <redflagrun> that worked
[16:26] <tigermoha-xubunt> hi
[16:27] <tigermoha-xubunt> hello?
[16:28] <tomreyn> tigermoha-xubunt: hi there
[16:28] <tomreyn> do you have a xubuntu question?
[16:28] <tigermoha-xubunt> yes
[16:28] <tomreyn> then it's common to just ask
[16:28] <tomreyn> and have muuuuch patience
[16:28] <tomreyn> it can take hours
[16:32] <tigermoha-xubunt> sorry its internet problem it's probably driver or system it happens in non linux system and unix like windows
[16:34] <tigermoha-xubunt> my internet sucks :(
[16:48] <tigermoha-xubunt> hi
[18:56] <d3f4ult> adivino, nadie habla español
[19:03] <tomreyn> !es | d3f4ult
[20:16] <donovan_> ayo
[23:50] <xu-irc39w> I have this problem with two different machines running each Ubuntu 22.04 LTS \n \l.
[23:50] <xu-irc39w> I encrypt a file on machine 1 with gpg. Trying to decrypt said file on machine 2 gives me 'wrong credentials' - whether I c&p or type the passphrase. I am pretty sure I have the correct passphrase.
[23:50] <xu-irc39w> What am I missing?


[00:01] <Daughain> Well I think it means mount, it says joint.....;-)
[00:01] <Ezim> Daughain, so you can read/write now?
[00:01] <Ezim> Daughain, otherwise read: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131&page=20
[00:01] <Daughain> I can do absolutely Nouri g with it at this point.
[00:02] <Daughain> Nothing that is.
[00:03] <Ezim> Daughain, think problem is ntfs is not best friend with linux format when it comes to automounting
[00:04] <Jarli> Anyone home?
[00:04] <Daughain> Never had any trouble with this drive till I installed mint.
[00:04] <Jarli> eh sorry
[00:04] <Ezim> Daughain, :) damn mint.
[00:05] <maniX__> orated:  are u back?
[00:05] <Jarli> I got a question about the Grub time out
[00:05] <Ezim> Daughain, :) use kubuntu/ubuntu
[00:05] <Jarli> can i set it to say 10 seconds, and if so how?
[00:05] <Ezim> Jarli, kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub
[00:05] <Ezim> change to 10
[00:05] <Ezim> then sudo update-grub2
[00:05] <Ezim> done
[00:05] <Jarli> i type that in a terminal?
[00:06] <Ezim> Jarli, :) yeah terminal/konsole
[00:06] <Jarli> <- new to linus and kubuntu
[00:06] <Daughain> Ezim: Usually do, but decided to install mint for gnome.
[00:06] <Jarli> kdesudo not found...
[00:07] <Jarli> kdesudi kate /etc/default/grub
[00:07] <Jarli> No command 'kdesudi' found, did you mean:
[00:07] <Jarli>  Command 'kdesudo' from package 'kdesudo' (main)
[00:07] <Jarli> kdesudi: command not found
[00:07] <Daughain> Is there a room for mint?
[00:07] <Jarli> oh
[00:07] <Jarli> der
[00:07] <FloodBotK1> Jarli: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:07] <Ezim> Jarli, kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub and not kdesudi :)
[00:08] <Jarli> ok grub txt opened
[00:08] <Jarli> do I need to find a certain line?
[00:09] <Ezim> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[00:09] <Jarli> ok cool. Set it to 20
[00:09] <Ezim> :) Jarli that works also
[00:09] <Jarli> some times I might have a brain lapse... (to much beer) haha
[00:09] <Jarli> thank you for the guidance
[00:10] <Jarli> odd question, but whats the meaning behind ' sudo'  ?
[00:10] <yofel> Jarli: you might need to disable the HIDDEN settings if you want the menu to be shown
[00:10] <yofel> otherwise do what Ezim said
[00:10] <Ezim> Jarli, write man sudo
[00:11] <Jarli> the grub menu does show, I just installed kubuntu to another partition, besides windows 7
[00:11] <Ezim> Jarli, will give you all information you need about sudo :)
[00:11] <Jarli> so I need to reboot
[00:11] <Ezim> after you read all, press Q.
[00:12] <Ezim> Jarli, did you run sudo update-grub2
[00:12] <Ezim> ?
[00:12] <Ezim> do that before reboot
[00:12] <Jarli> Yes I did
[00:12] <Ezim> Jarli, happy rebooting :)
[00:12] <Jarli> bye for now
[00:13] <Ezim> Daughain, yes there is.
[00:14] <Ezim> #linuxmint-help <<--- Daughain.
[00:14] <Daughain> Risk: Thanks
[00:14] <Daughain> Some days I hate this auto-correct....
[00:16]  * Ezim are going to bed. bye!
[00:16] <Jarli> worked*
[00:16] <Jarli> It worked
[00:16] <Ezim> Jarli, nice. bye.
[00:54] <mag_one> hi
[00:54] <mag_one> ich bin sowas von neu aber freu mich auf alles
[01:01] <maniX> hello friends, i am using kubuntu 0n hp-g6-1219tu laptop. It has a broadcom 4313 wireless card installed on it. I have installed broadcom STA drivers  to it. I have made the wifi to work my blacklisting bcma and brcmsmac modules. But the bluetooth is not working. Please help me someone
[01:40] <Evansdny> hello
[02:00] <TeslaTony> My sound has died and I have no idea what happened, or how to get it back. Any help?
[02:01] <Guest79323> SOOOO
[02:03] <rain__> Alot of Konversation going on in here
[02:03] <OvermindDL1> So, my monitor has two outputs with two monitors, I also have two keyboards and two mice, how can I get two people logged on with their own users on their own monitor with their own mouse/keyboard in kubuntu?
[02:03] <OvermindDL1> my video card has two outpppppppppppppppputs*
[02:03] <OvermindDL1> outputs*
[02:06] <snowmanbamf> I just downloaded kubuntu 11.10 and my wireless doesnt work...  (framework not found)  please help???
[02:42] <gogeta> bo
[02:51] <Uncle_Fester> how do you uninstall a program in wine?
[02:55] <mag_one> guten morgen:)
[02:56] <Sentynel> Uncle_Fester: applications > wine > uninstall wine software
[02:57] <Uncle_Fester> i dont see it
[03:01] <Sentynel> Uncle_Fester: are you on a really old version? looks like it was added in wine 1.1.2
[03:01] <Sentynel> anyway, try running wine uninstaller or just uninstaller from the console
[05:10] <freelnx> hi
[06:32] <maniX> orated_: u here man?
[06:33] <maniX> orated_: heres the pastepin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/849282/
[06:48] <macele> Anybody have a obnoxious bright yellow screen when they're rebooting after installing the proprietary amd drivers?
[07:02] <OvermindDL1> macele: Nope
[09:49] <excognac> Good morning ladies and gentlemen!
[09:50] <excognac> If I downloaded kde 4.8 from ppa, I should still keep it as a software source, right?
[10:04] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[12:35] <fatum> now I'm not sure where to ask this... but I was just on my way to split my windows partition (used to be dual-boot Kubuntu and Win7), just to get 20GB for trying out Archlinux install. So Gparted started and ended on 6%. Now I can't access anything from the sda2, 320GB partition on which I had everything :3 ...yyeeah, no backup.
[12:35] <fatum> I have tried testdisk, but I it's unbootable and can't seem to rebuild it.
[12:36] <Tm_T> fatum: ubuntu live cd doesn't help?
[12:37] <fatum> how would it help? I have a working Kubuntu partition, no problem. But I can't mount that biggest partition, on which windows was
[12:43] <roland> Somewhere I read, that Canonical is dropping support for Kubuntu... is it true?
[12:46] <fatum> roland: afaik, Kubuntu will continue, just the paid support will not be available anymore.
[12:46] <roland> Kubuntu had paid support?
[12:47] <Peace-> roland: kubuntu will be supported like xubuntu
[12:47] <Peace-> roland: by community
[12:48] <roland> So canonical will still provide the servers for repositories?
[13:01] <Peace-> roland: http://xubuntu.org xubuntu has the same position of kubuntu right now
[13:01] <Peace-> roland: so ...
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:51] <jEhrichs> roland: only the paid developer(s) are gone, the infrastructure remains. So basically not much if any will change
[13:56] <TheBlade> hi, kubuntu iso not readable by mac os, is there something to do to make it readable by mac os ?
[13:58] <DaemonFC> how can an ISO9660 image not be recognized by any operating system in the last decade?
[13:58] <DaemonFC> that's like saying it doesn't know what a jpeg is
[13:59] <TheBlade> don't know, mac os just can't open it
[13:59] <TheBlade> and won't boot it either
[14:00] <DaemonFC> I'm out of my league on this one, I had an ipod once for about a week and then sold it and ran screaming
[14:00] <TheBlade> :))
[14:00] <DaemonFC> that's the end of my Apple expertise, but it sounds...odd that it won't just open an ISO
[14:01] <TheBlade> its not about iso i think, because i can open ubuntu iso, its about kubuntu iso, it seams to have a specific format, only windows can see it
[14:08] <Sentynel> TheBlade: sounds like the iso's corrupted; check the md5 sum
[14:08] <Sentynel> ubuntu and kubuntu isos are generated the same way
[14:09] <TheBlade> md5 sum ok, the dvd boots from a PC but not from a MAC, and in mac os, if i try to open it says format not recognized
[14:09] <GradysGhost> Can you mount it on the terminal?
[14:09] <TheBlade> i burned one from mac os, burning ok md5 ok, but still not recognized
[14:10] <GradysGhost> Also, does it mount on other systems (if you have another system to test with)?
[14:11] <TheBlade> no just windows and mac
[14:11] <GradysGhost> Does it mount in Windows?
[14:11] <TheBlade> i tried both 4gb and 700gb iso
[14:11] <TheBlade> yes good in windows
[14:11] <GradysGhost> I'm not a Mac person by a long shot, but you can try running something like...
[14:12] <GradysGhost> Like a normal mount command on the Mac terminal
[14:12] <GradysGhost> I'm unfamiliar with the Mac filesystem layout and permissions, though.
[14:12] <GradysGhost> So I can't really tell you what to type
[14:13] <TheBlade> ok i'll try to find the command ty @GradysGhost
[14:13] <GradysGhost> np
[14:13] <GradysGhost> If you figure that much out, run it and let us know what the output is.  It might be helpful.
[14:14] <TheBlade> ok
[14:19] <designbybeck> gggGGGOOOOOOODDDD Monday Morning to you all! (and/or evening)
[14:20] <TheBlade> hi
[14:21] <designbybeck> I'm justing Amarok for the first time!... this thing is amazing
[14:23] <DaemonFC> HFS+ has all the features mandated by POSIX
[14:23] <DaemonFC> but it has its own bugs and legacy issues from the HFS file system it was extended from
[14:24]  * DaemonFC has dealt with HFS before and doesn't see any reason why it should be more trustworthy now than what it was in OS 9 :)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  well , good luck with amarok ..at least it plays the audio , but the playlist setup is awful IME ...doubles triples tiltle lists  ...I've given up on it as a useful tool for listing any music
[14:26] <designbybeck> Banshee and Rythmbox both did that as well
[14:26] <designbybeck> i was just playing with the fact that I could stream from Jamendo
[14:26] <BluesKaj> it's even worse than wmp
[14:26] <designbybeck> although i was using Google Music
[14:26] <GradysGhost> I never liked Amarok, but I rarely use a native player (I use web-based stuff)
[14:26] <DaemonFC> [9:26 am] <BluesKaj> it's even worse than wmp
[14:26] <GradysGhost> I've heard good things about Clementine, though, which is modeled after a classic Amarok version, and has all kinds of crazy features.
[14:26] <DaemonFC> Isn't it wise to not say things you can't take back? :)
[14:26] <designbybeck> yean and I normally use Pandora, so i use the Pithos Linux client
[14:26] <designbybeck> basic but gets the job done
[14:27] <GradysGhost> Like using a Wiimote for input
[14:27] <designbybeck> lol @ DaemonFC
[14:27] <Torpedo_Skyline> g'morning!
[14:28] <BluesKaj> DaemonFC,  I won't take it back ...one can live wmp , with amarok I can't ...it tries to do too much , a simpler more straightforward approach to handling audio files would be best IMO
[14:29] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: That mentality does get you a Rhythmbox or a Banshee
[14:29] <DaemonFC> there's plenty of media players that don't do anything useful, most of them just happen to be for GNOME
[14:29] <DaemonFC> :)
[14:29] <designbybeck> in Dolphin, can you "fuse" to a remove server
[14:29] <designbybeck> Create a SSH connecting to another server
[14:29] <designbybeck> using dolphin
[14:30] <DaemonFC> I can't stand it when so many people say "ZOMG this software like totally confuses me!" then you get Empathy or Rhythmbox or Firefox or something
[14:30] <DaemonFC> which has been so watered down that I can't even use it anymore
[14:31] <suhas> hello
[14:31] <suhas> i installed fancontrol recently
[14:31] <DaemonFC> it reminds me how the original Windows 95 alpha/beta had three buttons that all separated tasks into a logical workflow order, and so many stupid people took part in their focus groups that they ended up smashing it all together and calling it "Start"
[14:31] <DaemonFC> when you replace everything with one big "DUH" button, count me out
[14:31] <suhas> when i type the command pwmconfig
[14:32] <DaemonFC> I love Amarok :)
[14:32] <suhas> it says you need to be root
[14:32] <designbybeck> BluesKaj:  do you know anything about using SSH in DOlphin?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> DaemonFC,  I just use vlc mostly
[14:32] <suhas> please help
[14:32] <designbybeck> to "fuse" to a remote server?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  are you setting up a network folder ?
[14:32] <designbybeck> i guess that is what it might be
[14:33] <designbybeck> ohp! yep that is it! Thanks BluesKaj
[14:33] <DaemonFC> I might just be an oddball that likes software that does anything I could ever conceivably ask it to do, who knows?
[14:33] <DaemonFC> options exist to account for that (which is why I use KDE)
[14:33] <DaemonFC> :)
[14:33] <designbybeck> It didn't say anything in the help files about it
[14:33] <designbybeck> ..I agree with ya on that one DaemonFC
[14:34] <DaemonFC> having a billion features I'll never use is more forgivable than missing the one or two that I can't get by without
[14:34] <DaemonFC> and the latter is where GNOME/Unity tend to go
[14:34] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  a hint : make sure you have kwalletmamager tutned on or the network fiolder configuration will fail , no matter how many times you enter the the password...you can safely disable it after making the connection
[14:35] <designbybeck> hmmm I guess I did have kwallet turned on because it worked
[14:35] <BluesKaj> disable kwaletmanager that is
[14:35] <designbybeck> kwallet does pop up when i first start my system and i log in there
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:36] <designbybeck> that worked, I'm into my remote test server on Rackspace
[14:36] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  is it truly remote or on your LAN ?
[14:37] <designbybeck> remote
[14:37] <DaemonFC> I about threw a conniption once (when I used GNOME, as they were stripping it of features and beginning to annoy me), and I hit a utility that removed the options I needed to control the naming conventions of the files it put out (which shall remain nameless), but I got to asking about it on Ubuntu Forums and someone suggested that I should stop complaining and....write a shell script to automate the task of reversing the stupid file names this
[14:37] <DaemonFC> thing was generating now :)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> cool
[14:37] <DaemonFC> enough incidents like that just finally led me to say "just give me the most bloated freaking thing that exists, every time"
[14:37] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  so you have a static IP
[14:38] <designbybeck> correct
[14:38] <designbybeck> a domain
[14:38] <BluesKaj> right
[14:38] <designbybeck> it is where i test some of my educational technology stuff
[14:39] <designbybeck> http://mahara.triside.com      http://moodle.triside.com    http://wordpress.triside.com
[14:40] <BluesKaj> I have a family name domain that I pay for every yr , but I still haven't set up a site ...lazy
[14:40] <designbybeck> slap wordpress on there!
[14:40] <designbybeck> you can get it up and running in 10mins or less!
[14:40] <DaemonFC> I had a domain with my name on it and got careless and let it lapse, now it's owned by some spammer that wants me to pay $500 to get it back
[14:41] <DaemonFC> :)
[14:41] <designbybeck> I had a chance to get beck.com years ago..... now the singer Beck has it! :(
[14:41] <designbybeck> shoulda, coulda woulda lol
[14:41] <BluesKaj> slap is something that I don't understand ...it trivializes the difficulty :)
[14:41] <DaemonFC> well, the way WIPO works, you probably would have gotten sued, by Beck
[14:42] <DaemonFC> and they might have stolen your domain name anyway if they decided that the singer was more notable than you
[14:42] <designbybeck> maybe i could have at least held out for a few bucks!
[14:42]  * Mamarok suggest to go back to support...
[14:43] <designbybeck> ah yes
[14:43] <Mamarok> since we have a discussion channel for that :)
[14:43] <BluesKaj> ok guys ...this is getting OT ..back to business , even tho I'm guiltier than most here
[14:43] <designbybeck> Ok so the TexOS project we had this weekend, we were doing clean installs of Kubuntu 11.10 32bit on donated computers
[14:43] <designbybeck> But Muon Software Manager was  crashing. I read there was issues with that
[14:44] <designbybeck> and even asked in here how to fix it. We had the kids run the suggested commands in term, but still Muon was crashing
[14:44] <designbybeck> On my personal laptop and Netbook, I was having that problem and ended up upgrading to KDE 4.8 which seemed to solve some things. Is that the case?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  unfortunately muon is becoming an embarrasment ...I thoink teaching a few simple cli commands to users would be best , rather than frustrate the learners with trying to update/upgrade with muon
[14:45] <DaemonFC> Muon has actually been one of the better decisions Kubuntu has made (You should try using Apper if you think Muon is bad)
[14:46] <designbybeck> After the updates i;ve done on my laptop and netbook, Muon has worked fine
[14:46] <designbybeck> I really want the kids to see the ratings and be able to read up on the item before installing
[14:46] <BluesKaj> DaemonFC,  well, your entitled to your opinion , but lets not go any further ...we have to think about ppl's situations and be practical here
[14:46] <designbybeck> But I do think we will still do more cli installation and management forsure
[14:50] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  I'm not leaving anything to chance , until muon stops crashing and freezing on my pc , I'm not going to advise anyone to use it .
[14:51] <designbybeck> understandable, but what is it doing for you BluesKaj
[14:51] <Peace-> designbybeck: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/alias-apt-with-auto-complete-kde-4-kubuntu/
[14:51] <DaemonFC> that could just be a problem with your video drivers
[14:51] <designbybeck> Peace-:  what is this I'm looking at?
[14:52] <DaemonFC> Qt's effects and AMD Catalyst don't always get along
[14:52] <designbybeck> a script to make shortcuts for installing?
[14:52] <Peace-> designbybeck: muon is a pain ? => create alias => very fast way toupgrade and install
[14:52] <designbybeck> DaemonFC:  AIT and Qt's effects don't either ;)
[14:53] <DaemonFC> Catalyst is less relevant with each advancement of the open source stuff so I don't even care what they do with it now
[14:53] <DaemonFC> I just threw that out there
[14:53] <designbybeck> that is a novel way to do it Peace-
[14:54] <Peace-> as you wish
[14:54] <Peace-> bye
[15:05] <Torpedo_Skyline> Can somone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/ndyKadFq
[15:06] <Torpedo_Skyline> Trying to configure a lamp-server^ install under Kubuntu and I got that error at the bottom. Can't start phpmyadmin from Kickoff.
[15:06] <designbybeck> Hmm, I haven't tried anything like that in Kubuntu Torpedo_Skyline
[15:07] <Torpedo_Skyline> designbybeck: any way to clear that error at the bottom? Kind of strange.
[15:08] <designbybeck> when you say bottom? you mean bottom of what?
[15:08] <Torpedo_Skyline> The bottom of that pastebin that I posted. http://pastebin.com/ndyKadFq
[15:10] <designbybeck> oh gotcha, ok so  i'm not seeing that error
[15:10] <Torpedo_Skyline> on the pastebin?
[15:11] <designbybeck> yeah
[15:11] <mr-rich> Torpedo_Skyline: why not just install what you need for a LAMP stack from moun or apper?
[15:12] <Torpedo_Skyline> mr-rich: I could and probably should. I've always been more comfortable with apt. =\
[15:12] <designbybeck> just do it in apt then Torpedo_Skyline
[15:12] <designbybeck> that is how i did it on my Ubuntu server
[15:13] <Torpedo_Skyline> designbybeck: I just went sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[15:13] <Torpedo_Skyline> not the best way, I guess?
[15:15] <designbybeck> oh I haven't done it that way
[15:15] <designbybeck> i did each one at a time
[15:15] <Torpedo_Skyline> designbybeck: you did sudo apt-get install php5 mysql-server apache2?
[15:15] <designbybeck> correct
[15:16] <designbybeck> on top of uubntu server 11.10
[15:18] <Torpedo_Skyline> ok, thanks designbybeck. =)
[15:18] <designbybeck> I'm new to server stuff, and just used the other IRC channels for support. I got through it ;)
[15:18] <designbybeck> Good luck
[15:19] <Torpedo_Skyline> thanks. I'm a "kind of" real switcher to Linux.   XD
[15:23] <Peace-> Torpedo_Skyline: you used osx?
[15:23] <designbybeck> no
[15:23] <designbybeck> My main system is a dell 17 studio laptop
[15:23] <designbybeck> i7, 4GB RAM , 1GB video
[15:24] <Torpedo_Skyline> Peace-: I have.
[15:24] <designbybeck> I just moved over to Kubuntu from Ubuntu a week or so ago
[15:24] <Torpedo_Skyline> Peace-: No longer. I still have it on dual-boot on my MacBook Pro, but my main development machine runs Kubuntu.
[15:25] <Torpedo_Skyline> designbybeck: That's a pretty good system.  Peace- I still keep OS X on a partition because my sisters use it and love Airdrop.
[15:30] <TorpedoSkyline> almoxarife: probaby because of Phonon.
[15:31] <Peace->  almoxarife you can  go even without pulse
[15:31] <almoxarife> Peace-: i did go without pulse
[15:32] <Peace-> designbybeck:  anyway you can get the same stuff of ubuntu on kuubnuntu like the bar
[15:32] <Peace-> designbybeck: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/20/plasma-desktopnT1812.png
[15:35] <BluesKaj> almoxarife,  does your webaudio work ok without pulse ?
[15:36] <almoxarife> BluesKaj: yes, i use chromium
[15:36] <designbybeck> that looks like the standarad kmenu bar Peace-
[15:36] <designbybeck> unless that middle part is a luancher or something
[15:36] <BluesKaj> almoxarife,  onboard sound or pci soundcard?
[15:37] <almoxarife> BluesKaj: onboard
[15:37] <designbybeck> Peace-: I've moved my bar to the top as well
[15:38] <Peace-> designbybeck: you can have what you want => http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/20/plasma-desktopqv1812.png
[15:38] <BluesKaj> ok almoxarife , thqanks , I'm curious because my onbaord sound works without pulse , but my pci soundcard needs pulse for all my audio
[15:38] <almoxarife> BluesKaj: the only thing that i had to do was resolve issues associated with apps pointing to pulse
[15:38] <designbybeck> ah! Cool, I haven't seen that
[15:39] <almoxarife> BluesKaj: you would think the pci card would be satisfied with 'alsa'
[15:39] <designbybeck> Oh i'm guessing you installed a few other things Peace-  I only have default and empty
[15:39] <Peace-> designbybeck: xD well yes
[15:39] <designbybeck> Peace-: where is that option at? to add more panel types?
[15:40] <Peace-> designbybeck: well you need to install some stuff
[15:40] <Peace-> you can isntall it locally only for your user or globally
[15:40] <BluesKaj> almor well it was for the audio on the hdd , but not webaudio, which i could live with , but after some updates and upgrades my pci now needs pulse for everything
[15:40] <BluesKaj> almoxarife, ^
[15:41] <Peace-> designbybeck: read here , if you have problem just ask .... i did that stuff http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Plasma+Panels+Collection+?content=147589
[15:41] <almoxarife> http://imagebin.org/199817 <-- mine
[15:42] <BluesKaj> altho I just use the pcm out to my audio receiver including the DD DTS audio , which are enabled in pavucontrol , quite handy actaully
[15:50] <designbybeck> Anyone know if it is possible to setup Micro$oft Exchange in Kubuntu?
[15:50] <designbybeck> connect to a Exchnage 2008 email server
[15:52] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  wine?
[15:52] <designbybeck> naaa
[15:52] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:53] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  what about smb ?
[15:53] <designbybeck> nope
[15:53] <designbybeck> i think you use to could back with exhange 2003
[15:53] <designbybeck> with with exhange server 2008 it will no except any other client but a microsoft client
[15:55] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  check out Zimbra
[15:55] <BluesKaj> !Zimbra
[15:56] <BluesKaj> !info Zimbra
[15:57] <designbybeck> *sigh* oh well. I've had to use the web client for Outlook Web Access for Microsoft for 3 years now
[15:57] <designbybeck> but that is a microsoft exahnge issue not a Linux issuse
[15:58] <BluesKaj> zimbra is avmware app ..probly expensive
[15:58] <BluesKaj> http://www.zimbra.com/products/whats_new.html
[16:02] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, http://ipcommunications.tmcnet.com/topics/ip-communications/articles/41727-zimbra-extends-compatibility-with-microsoft-exchange.htm
[16:02] <designbybeck> BluesKaj:  that is still the old 2003 that it works with
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:13] <designbybeck> i just downloaded a .rar file
[16:13] <designbybeck> I tried to right click on it and go to "Extract Here"
[16:13] <designbybeck> "Failed to Locate Porgram unrar in PATH?
[16:14] <designbybeck> any idea? Anyone use 7ZIP with Kubuntu?
[16:14] <TorpedoSkyline> designbybeck: you don't use ARK?
[16:15] <designbybeck> my setup is pretty stock right now
[16:15] <designbybeck> i haven't installed any other utilities for Kubuntu/KDE right now
[16:15] <designbybeck> but i would think the default should work?
[16:15] <TorpedoSkyline> designbybeck: Ark comes with Kubuntu and extracts .rar
[16:16] <TorpedoSkyline> designbybeck: it should... =\.
[16:16] <designbybeck> it gives that error
[16:21] <designbybeck> Hmmm looks like i had to do a 'sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[16:21] <designbybeck> but that worked
[16:22] <TorpedoSkyline> hmm, weird. Must have gotten removed somehow. o.O
[16:24] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, try unp , it's a cli app but it works on all compressed filetypes that I know of
[16:25] <designbybeck> i got it to work but installin rar unrar
[16:25] <designbybeck> even though it was suppose to be installed already
[17:02] <designbybeck> I just realized my media keys on my keyboard, do in fact show that the volume isgoing down on screen, but do not physically make the audio get quit
[17:02] <designbybeck> any ideas why?
[17:03] <designbybeck> Hmmm.. I guess I figured it out, my HDMI port was selected as the "master"
[17:03] <designbybeck> i didn't think that mattered because I thought they system sound overwrote everything else
[17:55] <ScottyK> greetings! What KDE program do you recommend to edit MP3's to use as ringtones?
[18:04] <rtdos> can any one tell me why some games load and some games don't? is it a permission issue? nethack for example won't load.
[18:07] <Pici> nethack won't load?! thats a serious issue.  Kidding aside, what do you mean by 'wont load' are you getting an error?
[18:08] <rtdos> no, when i click on the menu shortcut i get the bouncy cursor thing and that's all i get. when i type in nethack in the command line the prompt pauses for a minute and then returns a normal prompt.
[18:09] <rtdos> i tried cleaning out any cache files in my /home/user directory (but can't find any related to nethack or other games that won't load).
[18:09] <Pici> rtdos: Any other games or programs that won't load?
[18:09] <rtdos> glhack won't load either
[18:09] <rtdos> egoboo (spelling?)
[18:10] <rtdos> balazar
[18:10] <rtdos> seems to be mostly game related :-\
[18:11] <Sentynel> rtdos: do you have different nethack frontends installed? (e.g., nethack-console, nethack-qt) and if so do all fail to start or just some?
[18:12] <rtdos> all
[18:12] <rtdos> i've tried uninstalling some and reinstalling others but to no avail.
[18:12] <rtdos> seems to be an issues only with anything that is a game.
[18:12] <rtdos> i am a member of the games group
[18:17] <rtdos> i just tried loading the game "Out of Order" and it too appears to load and then nothing.
[18:17] <rtdos> this only seems to happen with the games on my system as I have not come across it with any other programs.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> rtdos , try typing the game name in the konsole , and check the resultant output in pastebin
[18:31] <BluesKaj> err paste the output rather
[18:39] <rtdos> OK
[18:39] <rtdos> one question: would there be a reason some programs take longer to load than others, such as Konsole?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> konsole =terminal
[18:41] <BluesKaj> it should load immediately , rtdos
[18:42] <rtdos> BluesKaj, doesn't. can't even load egoboo through the command line. nothing comes up on the command line either.
[18:42] <BluesKaj> rtdos,  what about videos ,do they play ok ?
[18:43] <rtdos> yes. they play fine. even play a dvd with no problems.
[18:43] <rtdos> some programs take a few more seconds than usual to load but it's mostly games that won't load at all.
[18:44] <rtdos> i even disabled the backgrounded search and index program (neposomething)
[18:47] <rtdos> (all this is from a fresh install of Kubuntu, too)
[19:15] <ronnoc> Kubuntu needs a promo team now that it's a community distro. Having it be a part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/marketing is not sufficient. Thoughts? I'm willing to help.
[19:16] <rtdos> now dolphin is taking a while to load, :-(
[19:16] <rtdos> what the hecks going on?
[19:16] <rtdos> this is a fresh install.
[19:16] <rtdos> no (known) hardware issues.
[19:25] <Daskreech> ronnoc: Sure :) hop into #kubuntu-devel and ask for ninja gear
[19:26] <Daskreech> rtdos: whats going on?
[19:27] <rtdos> idaknow. i have a fresh install of kubuntu on this laptop but some programs seems to take longer than usual to load (dolphin and konsole for example) and some (mostly games) won't load at all.
[19:28] <ronnoc> Daskreech: Sure! Will do shortly. Thanks!
[19:34] <rtdos> Daskreech - even went so far as to disable the background indexing program (nanosomething) that was using over 50% CPU
[19:35] <BluesKaj> rtdos,  akonadi ?
[19:35] <rtdos> have that disabled too BluesKaj
[19:36] <BluesKaj> disable nepomuk in stratup&shutdoen
[19:36]  * BluesKaj cleans the KB
[19:41] <rtdos> yes, that was the neposomething i disabled. :)
[19:44] <Daskreech> rtdos: :) what's going on I missed the first complaints
[19:46] <rtdos> some programs (such as dolphin, konsole) seem to take a while longer to load than what i'm used to. but others (mostly its the games) won't load at all. i don't have this "won't load" issue with anything else other than games.
[19:46] <BluesKaj> rtdos,  I have to ask , have you updated/upgraded since the install ?
[19:47] <rtdos> yes.
[19:47] <rtdos> right now i'm trying to load user management applet(?) from the system control panel and it took nearly 30 seconds to load.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> lately ?
[19:47] <rtdos> yes.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> muon or cli ?
[19:51] <Daskreech> rtdos: Did you try run them from the konsole?
[19:52] <rtdos> yep. don't get the usual console full of text messages. the prompt pauses for a minute and then get a blank prompt again.
[19:52] <rtdos> i'm thinking it might be a permission issue ?
[19:53] <rtdos> i am a member of the "Games" group
[19:55] <BluesKaj> rtdos,  open system monitor , check for muon
[19:56] <rtdos> ps -e | grep 'muon' found nothing.
[19:59] <rtdos> *BRB* going to run fsck (for kicks)
[20:04] <Daskreech> :)
[20:04] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: what are you looking for?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> muon is hanging in some cases during updates, and freezes unless a reboot takes it down , Daskreech
[20:09] <Daskreech> Oh that's not good
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> well, you can kill it with "killall muon"
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> anyway, that should be fixed in 1.2.3
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/qapt/
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> BluesKaj, Daskreech^
[20:11] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, just a thought ...saw it happen yesterday ..slowed everything down ..muon works after upgrade and dist-upgrade in the cli , but if muon is used to upgrade then that's where the problem starts ...the upgrade fixes muon
[20:12] <BluesKaj> the cli upgrade fixes muon as long as it hasn't been started
[20:12] <BluesKaj> hey JontheEchidna
[20:17] <rtdos> nope. fsck came out clean.
[20:18] <rtdos> nope. fsck came out clean.
[20:18] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: \o/ hooray :)
[20:19] <Daskreech> Can Muon do a grep through the upgrades and do a selective upgrade of Muon first?
[20:19] <excognac> hello
[20:20] <excognac> How do I make sure that my very partioned HD doesn't have any errors defects before repartioning it?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> excognac,  burn gparted to a cd and run it to check each partition for errors
[20:22] <excognac> Bluskaj: or I can use it from a livecd, right?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> usually any bad sectors will be marked to ignore
[20:23] <BluesKaj> yes excognac , exactly
[20:23] <excognac> BluesKaj: ok, thx.
[20:26] <rtdos> is it possible to create a temporary 'guest' account so that when the user logs out what ever he saved is deleted or removed and the next 'guest' to login has a 'clean slate' ?
[20:27] <Daskreech> Yes
[20:29] <rtdos> how? not just by adding a 'guest' account through user accounts, correct?
[21:04] <vadi2> Is there a recommendation Qt 4.8 PPA?
[21:12] <Snowhog> rtdos: Take a look at the package guest-session. It isn't the same as the Ubuntu Guest Session, in that it is 'launched' from an existing login session, but...
[21:13] <rtdos> can i find it under synaptic?
[21:20] <rtdos> i see gdm-guest-session under synaptic but it won't work with kdm will it?
[21:34] <Snowhog> rtdos: It's listed when I search for it:  guest-session   What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[21:36] <Snowhog> rtdos: Ooops! My bad! You are right - it's gdm-guest-session.
[21:43] <tex> ciao a tutti
[21:48] <rtdos> Snowhog - how can i change from kdm to gdm display manager?
[21:49] <shadeslayer> rtdos: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[21:50] <shadeslayer> and then choose one ;)
[21:50] <rtdos> thx.
[21:51] <laMela87> ciao a tutti
[21:51] <licensed> great post i was searching for this http://ubuntuku.org/16/how-to-disable-nepomuk-akonadi/
[21:51] <laMela87> qualcuno sa darmi delle info su kubuntu?
[21:51] <laMela87> gentilmente;)
[21:51] <Pici> !it
[21:52] <laMela87> soory
[21:52] <laMela87> sorry
[21:52] <laMela87> someone who could give me some information about kubuntu?
[21:52] <shadeslayer> laMela87: shoot
[21:53] <laMela87> i've a vaio and i've some problems with the touchpad
[21:53] <laMela87> the scrolling with syaptic doesn't work
[21:53] <shadeslayer> laMela87: press Alt+F2 and type systemsettings
[21:54] <laMela87> now i solved this problem whit the disable of synaptic
[21:54] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:54] <laMela87> i try to able the scrolling with two finger like in the mac but i can't
[21:55] <designbybeck> Problem! ... Did a new Kubuntu 11.10 64bit on an Xeon quad core , 4GB ram system
[21:55] <laMela87> kubuntu 11.10 is very nice but a lot of problem
[21:55] <designbybeck> install went fine,
[21:55] <designbybeck> Did an upgrade to KDE 4.8
[21:55] <designbybeck> that seemed to go ok
[21:55] <shadeslayer> laMela87: thats weird, I have a mac and 2 finger scrolling works just fine
[21:55] <laMela87> yeh i've a mac too
[21:55] <shadeslayer> laMela87: 8,2 ?
[21:55] <designbybeck> after restart that system is very laggy now, some Windows I can click on just fine and they pull up active. but i can't click on anything with it
[21:55] <designbybeck> Same with the kMenu
[21:56] <laMela87> but i want to improve the use of linux because i'm a computer engineering
[21:56] <designbybeck> I tried to go to a tty and do some updates there didn't apper to be any others
[21:56] <laMela87> shadeslayer what 8,2?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: possibly buggy video drivers? What video card are you using?
[21:57] <designbybeck> I'm not sure actually
[21:57] <shadeslayer> laMela87: thats the model of the MBP. Do you have the 13" Model or the 15" one or the 17" one?
[21:57] <laMela87> designbyeback the videocard is ATI?
[21:57] <designbybeck> i think it is an NVIDIA, but I haven't done any propreitary software installs yet shadeslayer
[21:58] <laMela87> shadeslayer: 13'' white
[21:58] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: ah, I'd suggest trying out the proprietary drivers then  :)
[21:58] <designbybeck> it is just odd because everything up until i did the 4.8 updated seemed ok
[21:58] <designbybeck> , but i'll see if it has those drivers
[22:00] <laMela87> design i had problems with the video card, you ave to install the proprietary driver.
[22:01] <shadeslayer> laMela87: please try configuring the touchpad via systemsettings
[22:01] <shadeslayer> you can try to enable/disable it there and see if its working
[22:02] <laMela87> shade now if i try to open system settings/touchpad he says: no touchpad found
[22:02] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[22:03] <shadeslayer> laMela87: what year was your mbp manfactured in? 2011?
[22:03] <designbybeck> shadeslayer:  i switched to a different tty and did a lspci | grep VGA
[22:04] <designbybeck> i found that it is a Nvidia 6400
[22:04] <shadeslayer> okay
[22:04] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: press Alt+F2 and type : jockey-kde
[22:04] <laMela87> no shade my macbook has lion. Kubuntu is installed on my vaio
[22:04] <shadeslayer> and it should find and install the right drivers
[22:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[22:04] <laMela87> iv'done done thei today merci mon cher marie! :) Je vous souhaite un avenir plein d'amis et de rustiques! Rendez-vous dimanche! Un gros bisou! ;)
[22:04] <rtdos> Snowhog: worked. now i have guest-session but now i have 3 additional accounts that are apparently running in the background, hold on i'll log out and back in to list them.
[22:04] <laMela87> sorry i've done a mistake
[22:05] <designbybeck> it doesn't seem to be taking my keystrokes shadeslayer
[22:05] <laMela87> sudo rmmod psmouse
[22:05] <laMela87> E poi ho lanciato sempre da shell
[22:05] <laMela87> Codice:
[22:05] <laMela87> sudo modprobe psmouse proto=imps
[22:05] <laMela87> a questo punto lo scroll ha iniziato a funzionare alla perfezione.
[22:05] <FloodBotK1> laMela87: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:05] <laMela87> La guida dice se così non dovesse funzionare sostituire a proto=imps la dicitura proto=exps
[22:05] <designbybeck> if i restart and get to the login, i can type in username and password just fine
[22:05] <designbybeck> but now that I'm in, it does'n't let me type
[22:06] <laMela87> sorry
[22:06] <shadeslayer> uhh, guys I have to go and sleep .. but ...
[22:06] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: try jockey-kde in a terminal
[22:06] <laMela87> now it works
[22:06] <designbybeck> can i do that in a tty?
[22:06] <shadeslayer> laMela87: Find a way to find out your touchpad make and model
[22:06] <laMela87> ok tnx shade..;)
[22:06] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: no you need X for it, altho there is a command line tool as well
[22:07] <laMela87> goodnight
[22:07] <shadeslayer> laMela87: if you don't get a answer here you can also ask in #ubuntu
[22:07] <shadeslayer> but make sure you find out the touchpad model
[22:07] <laMela87> tnx...;)
[22:07] <shadeslayer> aha
[22:08] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: jockey-text
[22:08] <shadeslayer> designbybeck: see jockey-text --help for usage
[22:08] <shadeslayer> okay gtg, night
[22:10] <designbybeck> shadeslayer: I found out that it was doing the commands, but not refreshing/redrawing the screen SO i kept pressing alt+tab and i could see the addtional drivers box
[22:10] <designbybeck> was able, with alt+tabin' to try to activate the toher driver
[22:11] <designbybeck> which one though? current-update or 173 release
[22:11] <designbybeck> post release?
[22:15] <Jensit> Heyho... i just installed kubuntu, but my second.monitor is not working... nee doesnt sven recognize it:/
[22:18] <Jensit> Prob solved
[22:22] <rtdos> Snowhog: ok, since I switched from KDM to GDM I now have the following accounts (and all say they are logged in): syslog, usbmux daemon, kdm, ejabberd, mythtv, nobody.  Is there anyway to remove these accounts?
[22:33] <matze> heyho
[22:33] <pxc> so is GPT partitioning now the only kind supported by the Kubuntu installer?
[22:34] <Jensit> got a problem with my second monitor... i cant save the xorg.conf file =/
[22:39] <DaemonFC> pxc: I doubt it. Fedora had some documentation for their system that said the kernel boot parameter nogpt when you boot the live CD would go back to MBR partitioning there
[22:39] <DaemonFC> but I have no idea if that works in Kubuntu
[22:40] <DaemonFC> (My BIOS knows what GPT is so I haven't had to care)
[22:41] <DaemonFC> technically, there's nothing to stop you from using GPT partitioning and mark the MBR as executable, except that that goes against the EFI specification and some BIOSes would not know what to do
[22:41] <rtdos> ok, since I switched from KDM to GDM I now have the following accounts (and all say they are logged in): syslog, usbmux daemon, kdm, ejabberd, mythtv, nobody.  Is there anyway to remove these accounts? or should i just disable them?
[22:41] <DaemonFC> Whether or not a BIOS understands GPT labels or not is, iffy, since it was never a requirement, but in practice many recent ones do
[22:42] <pxc> DaemonFC, yeah... On Friday I tried to do a Kubuntu install on a UEFI-compatible system (although at first UEFI booting was disabled; it was in legacy mode)
[22:42] <pxc> and it just went terribly
[22:42] <DaemonFC> if you use EFI with a BIOS compatibility module, you'll be much happier
[22:42] <pxc> grub-gpt's legacy mode (with that grub-bios partition type, which I had never heard of and totally threw me off) did nothing
[22:42] <DaemonFC> assuming that's an option with yours
[22:42] <DaemonFC> exposing it as uEFI can cause problems, even with Windows
[22:43] <pxc> Well, that was another problem. They wanted to dual-boot it with Vista, and Vista can't handle UEFI
[22:43] <DaemonFC> the BIOS compatibility module just exposes the uEFI firmware to the OS as if it was any other BIOS
[22:43] <pxc> here's the weird thing
[22:43] <DaemonFC> you *could* boot DOS with that
[22:44] <pxc> even when BIOS compatibility was enabled, Kubuntu still tried to use GPT partitioning, and *its* grub-bios legacy compatibility layer didn't work with the chipsets BIOS emulation
[22:44] <pxc> so it just wouldn't boot
[22:44] <pxc> I had to *manually* create an msdos partition label so grub would install the old-fashioned way
[22:44] <DaemonFC> that is....insane
[22:44] <DaemonFC> but, that's normal with BIOS/EFI
[22:44] <DaemonFC> :)
[22:44] <pxc> and then boot with BIOS compatibility inabled
[22:44] <pxc> *enabled
[22:45] <pxc> and I had to manually set up the partitions, because the ‘guided partition setup’ only gives you the option to use whole disk
[22:45] <pxc> in which case it replaces the whole filesystem table with a new, shiny GPT one. Which is apparently unbootable anyway, in some cases
[22:45] <pxc> do you know if Kubuntu uses GPT/UEFI settings by default, or if it just detected his chipset as ‘compatible’ and rolled with that, even though it was in BIOS compatibility mode at the time?
[22:46] <DaemonFC> well, I am using 12.04 right now and it gave me GPT
[22:46] <DaemonFC> I have no idea what earlier releases were doing
[22:46] <pxc> this was 11.10
[22:46] <pxc> apparently 11.04 had the same problem
[22:46] <DasKreech> Jensit: where are you saving the file?
[22:47] <rtdos> ok, since I switched from KDM to GDM I now have the following accounts (and all say they are logged in): syslog, usbmux daemon, kdm, ejabberd, mythtv, nobody.  Is there anyway to remove these accounts?
[22:47] <DasKreech> rtdos: Why do you want to delete the accounts?
[22:47] <rtdos> or at least disable them?
[22:48] <Jensit> DasKreech: Nvidia settings
[22:48] <DasKreech> Jensit: That's a place?
[22:48] <Jensit> default place
[22:48] <Jensit> DasKreech: mom
[22:49]  * DasKreech hasn't used nvidia or nvidia settings. Indulge me
[22:49] <Jensit> DasKreech: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:50] <DasKreech> Jensit: What's the error for saving it?
[22:50] <Jensit> Unable to open X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' for writing.
[22:50] <rtdos> DasKreech: maybe not delete them but disable them? aren't they taking up resources running in the background like that?
[22:54] <Jensit> DasKreech: Unable to open X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' for writing.
[22:54] <viKtor__> hey guys what's the kde app for scan documents?
[22:56] <DasKreech> Jensit: try sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup.$(date +%d%m%Y)
[22:56] <DasKreech> !info skanlite | viKtor__
[22:56] <DasKreech> rtdos: No they are keeping the system running
[22:56] <DasKreech> Other them MythTV I presume you installed that
[22:57] <Jensit> DasKreech: same error =/
[22:58] <viKtor__> DasKreech: thanks!
[22:58] <DasKreech> Jensit: what' the error from the sudo mv ?
[22:58] <Jensit> DasKreech: no error.... mv worked... but saving not =/
[22:59] <pxc> rtdos, you don't want to disable or delete those accounts. They are used for permissions handling on system services. They don't chew up extra resources, and deleting them will reduce the security of your system and possibly break some system services
[22:59] <DasKreech> Jensit: How are you running the nvidia settings ?
[22:59] <Jensit> DasKreech: tried with sudo out of a terminal and normal
[22:59] <DasKreech> rtdos: Some ofthose are made to only specifically do very few things. The system only expects them to do it
[23:00] <pxc> rtdos, there may be an option for GDM not to show ‘system’ accounts in the login list, and that's really what you would want to do
[23:00] <Jensit> DasKreech: same error
[23:00] <DasKreech> Jensit: try sudo -i
[23:00] <rtdos> where would i find that?
[23:00] <viKtor__> DasKreech: but it can't save as pdf :S that's weird :S
[23:01] <pxc> rtdos: I don't know; I don't use GDM. :-P
[23:01] <pxc> I'll see if I can find something about it for you, but meanwhile give the docs a perusing yourself :-)
[23:01] <Jensit> DasKreech: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup.$(date +%d%m%Y)
[23:01] <Jensit> DasKreech: ERROR: The control display is undefined; please run `nvidia-settings --help` for usage information.
[23:01] <Jensit> sry
[23:01] <pxc> rtdos: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2471/how-to-hide-users-from-the-login-screen
[23:02] <rtdos> pxc: i normally use kdm, since i'm needing temp access to a guest session i'm using gdm at the moment so my gdm knowledge is a bit rusty. :)
[23:03] <pxc> You should be able to open a guest session on KDM, right? or is it that you already have an instance of KDM running or what? You can definitely open multiple sessions using KDM
[23:03] <rtdos> haven't figured out how to open a guest session under kdm. closet i could find was gdm-guest-session
[23:03] <rtdos> ...and found that under synaptic package manager
[23:04] <pxc> from an existing KDE session, hit alt+f2 to bring up KRunner, and type ‘new session’
[23:05] <pxc> you may need to enable the ‘desktop session’ krunner plugin if it isn't already running
[23:05] <DasKreech> pxc: Far as I know you can't do guest access from KDM
[23:07] <DasKreech> Jensit: hmm ok nvidia-settings is a gui Tool?
[23:07] <pxc> is guest access logging in through a guest account, or what does it mean specifically?
[23:07] <Jensit> DasKreech: yes
[23:07] <DasKreech> Jensit: try alt+f2 -> kdesudo nvidia-settings
[23:08] <rtdos> pxc: logging in through a temporary-guest account. then when the user logs out everything is deleted.
[23:10] <rtdos> pxc: gdm-guest-session does exactly that.
[23:10] <DasKreech> rtdos: you could make a guest account ( should already exist) and set it's logout option to wipe the ~ and copy back skel
[23:12] <rtdos> DasKreech how? i've googled but only answers i come up with are gdm related.
[23:12] <Jensit> DasKreech: same error
[23:15]  * rtdos is really starting to lose faith in google. :-P
[23:15] <pxc> rtdos, I guess there is no equivalent for KDM. It seems like you'd have to make a real guest account and do something like DasKreech is describing
[23:16] <rtdos> pxc: where would i find out log out options to wipe the ~ and copy back the skel ? under system settings?
[23:18] <mrafcho001_> anyone know when VLC 2.0 is coming to Kubuntu (without adding various PPAs)?
[23:19] <pxc> rtdos, there's a .bash_logout file, but I don't think that's quite what we need here. It's along that trail, though
[23:19] <pxc> rtdos, there's this: http://osr507doc.sco.com/en/OSUserG/_How_to_add_a_logout_script.html
[23:19] <rtdos> pxc: agreed. because we want it only for the guest account and not other accounts.
[23:19] <rtdos> looking at it now.
[23:20] <pxc> but more realistically, we would want to have it run on login rather than logout. Because if it's only done on logout, a user could log in, make changes, shut down the computer with a hard shutdown, and then log back in with their settings saved
[23:21] <pxc> you can do it by changing the user's login shell, perhaps
[23:22] <DasKreech> rtdos: there is a ~/.bash_logout also a kdelogout script either would work if all you have is KDE on the machine
[23:22] <DasKreech> pxc: :) Yeah that's smart I suppose
[23:23] <rtdos> DasKreech: just have it wipe the ~ directory without remove the .bash_login script?
[23:23] <rtdos> *removing
[23:24] <DasKreech> yeah it won't remove any ~/.$files unless you say so
[23:28] <rtdos> so isn't there a way to remove any and all ~/.$files except ~/.bash_login by using grep, correct? obviously it can't remove its own file?
[23:29] <gomiboy> yes, the running script can remove itself
[23:29] <rtdos> scary!
[23:31] <gomiboy> you can even delete a video you are watching and keep watching it, this is a multi user os, not that fake multi user windowz :P
[23:33] <pxc> rtdos, ‘grep -v’ reverses the grep behavior. You can use it to grab everything *except* what matches the pattern you want
[23:33] <rtdos> oh so exclude ~/.bash_login ? but would i need to keep a ~/.bash_logout file in place ?
[23:34] <rtdos> but will this screw up kde or whatever desktop i happen to be running at the moment?
[23:35] <pxc> not really. if you wanted to, you could have the $HOME directory of this guy cleared at both login and logout, so you could save .bash_logout as well. But you shouldn't need both
[23:35] <rtdos> ok. i get back here shortly with a script.
[23:40] <sharpspear> anyone got a minute?
[23:46] <mrafcho001_> sharpspear: You might have better luck if you just ask your question
[23:47] <Scunizi> amarok is chewing 50% of my cpu.. even without playing anything..
[23:48] <ronnoc> Scunizi: Disable all Add-ons / scripts and then check CPU. It might be a rogue script.
[23:50] <ronnoc> Scunizi: I have Amarok open all day with all scripts ticked to "on", plus Moodbar, playing a 1,000+ song playlist and my CPU goes from 3-5% for Amarok, so something's wrong with yours somewhere.
[23:52] <ubuntu> hello all. How could I achive during partitioning and reinstall No such partition and grub rescue prompt?
[23:52] <excognac> I am asking it
[23:54] <pxc> excognac, I don't understand what you are asking :-(