[08:03] <huats> morning everyone
[08:36] <pitti> Good morning
[10:02] <cassidy> seb128: hi. Could you sync libnice with the Sid package (0.0.9) please? This release contains a bunch of fixes (including one for Google video)
[10:02] <seb128> cassidy, ok
[10:03] <cassidy> thanks
[10:33] <asac> ccheney: rock. answered
[10:45] <kenvandine> seb128, bug 408796
[10:45] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[10:45] <kenvandine> thx
[10:45] <kklimonda> hmm, was there some kind of meta-bug for all bugs that deal with missing icons due to upstream change?
[11:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewvc/
[11:23] <seb128> robert_ancell, rpms and then the source you want
[11:23] <robert_ancell> seb128, thanks
[12:36] <asac> crevette: uploading gnome-bluetooth with hack to workaround the type issues
[12:36] <asac> so check in a few minutes ;)
[12:49] <crevette> asac, ah so you figured out waht is happening?
[12:49] <crevette> can I have some explanation?
[12:50] <seb128> crevette, the symbol is declared twice
[12:50] <seb128> crevette, once in the binary and one in the lib
[12:50] <seb128> crevette, and we use -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions by default
[12:53] <crevette> sI don't know all that :) but I'll check on the net to understand. ut the problem was not seen on other distro then?
[12:53] <seb128> crevette, the issue is a bug, it just doesn't crash if you don't use this ld option
[12:54] <seb128> but you have unpredictable behaviour on which symbol will be used
[12:54] <seb128> the binary or the library one
[13:04] <asac> crevette: yes. upstream doesnt know how to do things right ;)
[13:05] <asac> they link libcommon.a statically in .so ... hide all symbols and then link libcommon.a with libgnome-bluetooth.so in the main binaries
[13:12] <crevette> This is something I wouldn't be able to track down ...
[13:26] <kklimonda> hmm.. I have quite a lot of crashes with signal 5 in _XError() - someone has an idea what's going on? I see that there are some people reporting similar crashes on LP..
[13:33] <crevette> asac, did you see a new upstream version is out?
[13:54] <seb128> kklimonda, examples?
[13:59] <kklimonda> seb128: bug 408197, bug 406066, bug 404406, bug 406604, bug 408136 (this one touched by you)
[14:01] <seb128> kklimonda, doesn't seem a lot, you have also lot of things crahing in g_log, etc
[14:02] <seb128> just mean those applications or gtk do something xorg doesn't like
[14:02] <seb128> without test cases hard to say
[14:03] <seb128> could be useful to have a --sync stacktrace
[14:08] <kklimonda> seb128: I guess I got suprised that so many of those bugs were reported in the last few months. I rest my case and go to get something to eat :)
[14:10] <seb128> "so many"?
[14:11] <asac> crevette: no ....wanna do?
[14:11] <crevette> asac, perhaps tonight as usual :)
[14:12] <kklimonda> I was searching for all (fixed and open) bugs with _XError() and got 170 results - ~40 of them reported in last few months - but it may be some sort of mistake on my part
[14:12] <seb128> well that doesn't seem a particulary high number
[14:13] <seb128> we have some bugs which get a higher of duplicate on one source in a week
[14:13] <seb128> +number
[14:13] <seb128> I will keep an eye on it but doesn't seem concerning
[14:22] <asac> crevette: any significant changes or just bug fixes?
[14:24] <crevette> the rfkill change is the most significant change I guess
[14:24] <crevette> it relies on kernel 2.6.31, and need some udev rules to permit to users to disable the device
[14:25] <crevette> http://markmail.org/message/di2udkt6jeax76oq
[14:25] <asac> thx
[14:28] <crevette> you're welcome
[14:31] <dobey> hrmm
[14:31] <dobey> pitti: if something crashes when shutting down, i would get the apport icon in my system tray on next log-in, right?
[14:39] <dobey> or seb128, do you know if that's the behavior of apport for crashes on shutdown?
[14:44] <seb128> dobey, right you would get it after next login
[14:45] <pitti> dobey: correct
[14:45] <dobey> ok, cool
[14:45] <seb128> dobey, you have the crash date in the bug though
[14:46] <seb128> so we can ask the user if that matches the time of login or the previous day shuthdown or something
[14:46] <dobey> seb128: yes, but the user said "it was after a requested restart following an upgrade"
[14:47] <seb128> dobey, the reboot time should still be in the syslog
[15:05] <pitti> ArneGoetje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation#Verifying%20translation%20uploads looks fine to me, thanks for putting together the guidelines
[15:57] <ccheney> asac: are you going to be uploading xulrunner 1.9.1 as 'xulrunner' source?
[15:58] <ccheney> asac: or is it going to stay as 'xulrunner-1.9' ?
[16:02] <ccheney> asac: ah nevermind, i see how it is going to work now
[16:24] <lool> seb128: During GUADEC I mentionned this bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590865 which I just filed today; what's your opinion?  Are there matching requests in LP?  (Couldn't find any)
[16:33] <seb128> lool, no strong opinion, I think it's a minor annoyance, would be good to be fixed though
[16:33] <rickspencer31> seb128: kernel team is testing empathy and getting some crashes
[16:34] <seb128> rickspencer31, could you use apport and open bugs?
[16:35] <rickspencer31> I'm helping them with that
[16:40] <alex-weej> what diff are we carrying vs. upstream with regard to "Trash" naming? i find it very confusing... I see "Wastebasket"  in the location bar, Deleted Items in the places menu, and calling it a "Deleted Items folder" is weird 'cause it's not really a folder
[16:46] <seb128> alex-weej, you probably use a en_GB locale?
[16:46] <alex-weej> correct
[16:46] <seb128> translation issue
[16:46] <alex-weej> for like 4 releases?
[16:46] <seb128> not sure if it's due to upstream or rosetta guys though
[16:47] <seb128> not sure en_GB translators are active or care about that one
[16:48] <alex-weej> aaaaaargh
[16:48] <alex-weej> seb128, remember that thread on d-d-l a while back about UTF-8 in C source files? it was because i had submitted a patch to nautilus to use “ and ” for quotes around things like "Open With" (forget the fact they are gone now)
[16:49] <alex-weej> seb128, so it was rejected, and people prefer to use US-ASCII, so i submitted an en_GB translation of nautilus about a year ago
[16:49] <alex-weej> to launchpad
[16:49] <alex-weej> it never got touched
[16:49] <alex-weej> so i wouldn't assume that just because it didn't land that en_GB translators don't care
[16:49] <alex-weej> :)
[16:50] <seb128> hehe
[16:50] <alex-weej> i thought that was really sad though, i actually went to the effort of doing it
[16:50] <alex-weej> and no-one even reviewed it
[16:50] <alex-weej> and now it's obsolete
[16:51] <alex-weej> https://translations.launchpad.net/~alex-weej
[16:51] <andreasn> dobey, do you think it would be a good idea to have a ppa with gnome-icon-theme minus the symlinks?
[16:52] <andreasn> so we can fix the naming in the apps and get rid of some of the symlinks
[17:00] <seb128> hggdh, hi
[17:01] <seb128> hggdh, the xorg-edger ppa has a package to downgrade from a ppa back to normal ubuntu versions
[17:03] <dobey> andreasn: sure
[17:03] <dobey> andreasn: you just need to get people to use it
[17:03] <andreasn> because that would be the only way to run it without the symlinks, right?
[17:04] <asac> ccheney: you should use xulrunner-1.9.1-dev for now
[17:04] <hggdh> seb128, will look at it, thanks
[17:04] <hggdh> seb128, but it is, still a good idea, even if we end up with many restrictions
[17:05] <seb128> I'm not so sure
[17:05] <seb128> but I've enough to do without starting arguing about that one ;-)
[17:05] <seb128> downgrades are just not checked and likely to break that's not something we want to try giving support for
[17:05] <seb128> or users will feel those are something which should be working
[17:06] <seb128> and that will create issue on for us and for users
[17:10] <hggdh> yes, I understand that. I personally think this would need a *lot* of work, and (probably) some limitations.
[17:11] <hggdh> Still, it would be sooo cool to have it...
[17:12] <asac> ArneGoetje: \o/ look at /tmp/outtest (karmic) and /tmp/outttest1 (hardy, but using the karmic .pos - but shouldnt matter)
[17:15] <ccheney> asac: ok
[17:15] <ccheney> asac: is it ready for me to upload already?
[17:15] <asac> ccheney: for the real archive?
[17:15] <asac> charles_: did you fix it?
[17:15] <asac> oops
[17:15] <asac> ccheney: ;)
[17:16] <andreasn> dobey, would you like to set up such a ppa, or do you know anyone else I can ask to do that?
[17:16] <ccheney> asac: yea, not yet, i can fix it today if it is ready to be uploaded?
[17:16] <dobey> andreasn: anyone with a launchpad account can make a ppa
[17:16] <asac> ccheney: i got side tracked a zillion times. let me think for a moment if i feel brave enough to do it now ;)
[17:17] <ccheney> asac: its ok if you want to wait :)
[17:17] <mpt> ArneGoetje, jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/language-selector-karmic#Design
[17:19] <dobey> andreasn: i think it might be good to have a general "gnome-devel" ppa or something, as well
[17:36] <fta> chrisccoulson, hi, remember my problem with xchat & systray: http://paste.ubuntu.com/248017/
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> fta, yeah, i remember that
[17:37] <fta> chrisccoulson, btw, i've installed your gnome-settings-daemon yesterday, no popup since
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> you've got more than 2GB free space haven't you?
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> but less than 5%?
[17:37] <fta> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[17:37] <fta> /dev/sda1            301677772 296326060   5151712  99% /
[17:38] <fta>  /dev/sda1             288G  283G  5.0G  99% /
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> cool. would you mind adjusting /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/plugins/housekeeping/free_size_gb_no_notify to 10 in gconf-editor just to make sure you still get a popup eventually (and that it shows the correct amount of free space)?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - having a good week?
[17:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hello, yes! you?
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yes, not too bad. it's been a little boring here though ;)
[17:52] <seb128> here it's quite busy at the opposite
[17:55] <dobey> seb128, pitti: is it possible to get ubuntu-bug to work with ppa packages somehow?
[17:55] <pitti> dobey: PPAs don't have bug trackers, so you can only approximate; what do you need?
[17:56] <pitti> like, file bugs against the existing ubuntu packages or so?
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti - are we going to install gnome-disk-utility by default?
[17:56] <pitti> you'd never get correct retraces, or so
[17:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yes, pitti did that change I though
[17:56] <dobey> pitti: well, i'd like to use the normal apport process to file bugs against a project, really
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> it seems the gnome-disk-utility binary contains some icons that are needed by libgdu to display in nautilus, so if gnome-disk-utility is not there then nautilus displays no icons for some volumes
[17:57] <Sarvatt> hmm looks like my battery reading problem might be on the d-k-p side. if i kill g-p-m and devkit-power-daemon then relaunch battery readings work fine until i plug in, then it stops reading and thinks its fully charged every time i go on battery. if i kill g-p-m and restart it after that it has the same problem, but killing and restarting devkit-power-daemon and g-p-m always makes it work right
[17:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right, seeding now
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> thanks seb128 / pitti
[17:58] <pitti> seeded and promoted
[17:58] <dobey> pitti: i'm not sure retraces would be helpful in this specific case of mine anyway, since Python gives pretty accurate traces already... but I want to minimize the amount of user interaction
[17:58] <pitti> dobey: if you are okay with the bugs being filed against the upstream project, it's possible
[17:59] <dobey> pitti: yeah, that is totally fine with me
[18:00] <dobey> pitti: but right now "ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client" just gives me a box saying it's not a valid ubuntu package, if i have the PPA versions installed
[18:02] <pitti> dobey: then you just need to ship an apport package hook which sets report['ThirdParty'] = 'True'
[18:03] <dobey> pitti: and it will automatically file against ubuntuone-client upstream? or do we need to set something else for that as well?
[18:03] <pitti> dobey: no, that should work
[18:04] <dobey> pitti: and will it only use that if the package is "not an official ubuntu package"?
[18:04] <pitti> dobey: no, it will always use that if you just do that one command
[18:05] <dobey> ok
[18:05] <pitti> if not apport.packaging.is_distro_package(report['Package'].split()[0]):
[18:06] <pitti>     report['ThirdParty'] = 'True'
[18:06] <pitti> dobey: ^ with that, it will only report upstream for non-native packages
[18:06] <pitti> s/packages/versions/
[18:06] <dobey> pitti: awesome! thanks!
[18:06] <pitti> (untested, though); you need to 'import apport' for that
[18:06] <pitti> dobey: let me know if it doesn't work
[18:07] <dobey> pitti: hrmm, should it be 'True' or the Python boolean True?
[18:08] <pitti> dobey: report objects don't take boolean values
[18:08] <dobey> ok
[18:08] <pitti> dobey: but the actual string value doesn't matter, it just tests whether the field exists
[18:09] <pitti> i. e. 'False' won't actually do what you'd think :/
[18:09] <pitti> or 'Maybe' :)
[18:09] <pitti> yay fuzzy logic
[18:09] <dobey> heh
[18:11] <dobey> hrmm, didn't seem to work
[18:12] <dobey> pitti: hrmm, is it apport.packaging or apport.hook_utils.packaging?
[18:13] <pitti> dobey: apport.packaging
[18:13] <dobey> ah ok
[18:13] <pitti> hookutils (no _) just has some extra stuff, but you won't need it just for that
[18:17] <dobey> hrmm
[18:17] <dobey> doesn't seem to be working
[18:18] <pitti> dobey: does it work unconditionally?
[18:19] <dobey> pitti: no, i think it's validating the distro package before it even gets to the hook code
[18:19] <pitti> dobey: negative, add_hooks_info() is called first
[18:19] <pitti> dobey: can I see your package hook?
[18:20] <pitti> you put it into /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/ubuntuone-client.py ?
[18:20] <dobey> pitti: source_ubuntuone-client.py i think, but yes
[18:20] <pitti> that's fine
[18:20] <pitti> oh, it has one already
[18:21] <dobey> the add_info() method?
[18:21] <pitti> dobey: yes, it needs to be added there
[18:21] <pitti> oh, hang on
[18:22] <dobey> yeah, it's not working
[18:22] <pitti> dobey: were you trying a previously processed crash report?
[18:22] <pitti> it will only work for new reports
[18:22] <dobey> no
[18:23] <dobey> i see part of the problem though
[18:25] <dobey> pitti: that method is part of the PackageInfo class, which is implemented in package_impl.py
[18:25] <dobey> not a generic function
[18:25] <pitti> that's fine
[18:25] <pitti> apport/__init__.py imports it
[18:25] <pitti> dobey: does it work without the conditional test? i. e. just always set ThirdParty?
[18:25] <pitti> just to check on which part the problem is
[18:26] <dobey> ok, so i got rid of the extra import/etc and just the ThirdParty doesn't work either
[18:27] <pitti> dobey: ah, I see the problem
[18:28] <pitti> dobey: sorry, I'm afraid it's a little more complicated than that
[18:28] <dobey> complicated is like all three of my names
[18:28] <pitti> the hook needs to set report['CrashDB'] = 'ubuntuone-client' if you want to have the bug upstream
[18:29] <pitti> and you need to ship a file /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.d/ubuntuone-client.conf
[18:29] <pitti> 'ubuntuone-client': {
[18:29] <dobey> hrmm
[18:29] <pitti>    'impl': 'launchpad',
[18:29] <dobey> i don't see a crasshdb.conf.d
[18:29] <dobey> just the .conf
[18:30] <pitti>    'project': 'ubuntuone-client'
[18:30] <pitti> }
[18:30] <pitti> dobey: that's fine, apport will look for it
[18:30] <dobey> ok
[18:30] <pitti> the "ThirdParty" hack never really worked and was a half-baked contribution, so I disabled it again
[18:31] <pitti> dobey: you can restore the conditional check, that part should work (but test it unconditionally first)
[18:32] <dobey> the conditional check i don't think i can do as you suggested
[18:32] <dobey> i need to poke the _AptDpkgPackageInfo class or whatever to get at the method
[18:33] <pitti> but apport.packaging will have it?
[18:33] <pitti> no need to do assumptions about the packaging system in hooks
[18:39] <dobey> from apport.packaging import is_distro_package fails
[18:41] <pitti> right
[18:41] <pitti> use apport.packaging.is_distro_package()
[18:41] <pitti> and import apport
[18:44] <dobey> pitti: ok, so apport doesn't look in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.d/
[18:44] <dobey> hrmm
[18:45] <pitti> $ grep -r crashdb.conf.d .
[18:45] <pitti> $
[18:45] <pitti> uh, WTF? I know I had this working..
[18:45] <dobey> oh
[18:45] <dobey> it does
[18:45] <dobey> n/m
[18:45] <dobey>     confdDir = conf + '.d'
[18:45] <pitti>     # Load third parties crashdb.conf
[18:46] <pitti>     confdDir = conf + '.d'
[18:46] <pitti> right *phew*
[18:46] <dobey> but it's not loading mine :9
[18:46] <dobey> err :(
[18:47] <pitti> how does your's look? do you get an "Invalid file: ..." error on the CLI?
[18:47] <dobey> hrmm, yeah
[18:47] <dobey> Invalid file /etc/apport/crashdb.conf.d/ubuntuone-client-crashdb.conf: invalid syntax (ubuntuone-client-crashdb.conf, line 1)
[18:47] <Sarvatt> would it be a good idea to patch the gnome-settings-daemon touchpad schema to have tap to click enabled by default? its overriding the synaptics driver defaulting on as well as custom fdi's enabling it with it being defaulted to disabled in gnome only and it seems like alot of people cant be bothered to click a button to turn it on permanently :D
[18:47] <dobey> 'ubuntuone-client' : {
[18:47] <dobey> is line 1
[18:48] <dobey> :-/
[18:48] <pitti> oops; please wrap it into
[18:48] <pitti> dbs = {
[18:48] <pitti> ...
[18:48] <pitti> oops
[18:48] <pitti> I meant
[18:49] <pitti> ubuntuone-client = { 'impl': ... }
[18:49]  * pitti reads his own stuff from /usr/share/doc/apport/crashdb-conf.txt
[18:49] <pitti> it has an example
[18:49] <dobey> oh crap
[18:49] <pitti> I use execfile(), so the syntax is a bit picky
[18:50] <dobey> so i can't use ubuntuone-client, because that's not valid python
[18:50] <pitti> then just name it "ubuntuone_client"
[18:50] <dobey> yeah
[18:50] <pitti> dobey: the db name doesn't matter, it just must match what you assign report['CrashDB'] to
[18:51] <pitti> dobey: the lp project name is determined by 'project': in the db definition
[18:51] <dobey> KeyError: 'bug_pattern_base'
[18:51] <dobey> so i guess that one is required
[18:51] <pitti> 'bug_pattern_base': 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/bugpatterns',
[18:51] <pitti> or just "None"
[18:52] <pitti> but the main one should be fine
[18:52] <dobey> that's better
[18:55] <dobey> ok, and the if statement seems to work now as well, with straight apport import
[18:55] <dobey> pitti: thanks much!
[18:56] <pitti> you're welcome, sorry for the confusion
[19:15] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[19:15] <seb128> didrocks, could you get mutter to use clutter1?
[19:16] <seb128> didrocks, ie do a git snapshot when you have some time
[19:16] <seb128> I was trying to build a new gnome-shell but it breaks because of clutter 0.9 still being used there
[21:58] <didrocks> hey rickspencer31 :)
[21:58] <rickspencer31> hiya didrocks
[21:58] <didrocks> rickspencer31: are you enjoying Dublin?
[21:59] <rickspencer31> didrocks: we are having quite a productive time
[21:59] <rickspencer31> Quickly demo went quite well
[22:00] <didrocks> great ;)
[22:00] <didrocks> rickspencer31: can we push a date for 0.2 release?
[22:01] <rickspencer31> didrocks: yes
[22:01] <didrocks> rickspencer31: one released, I will prepare my blog post about it (before or in the meanwhile next Ubuntu dev week)
[22:01] <didrocks> once*
[22:01] <rickspencer31> I started hacking the desktopcouch code today so that I can adjust the quickly code
[22:02] <didrocks> ok, as you saw, I pushed some little things from time to time
[22:02] <didrocks> tomorrow, I will in the train handle commands in a class
[22:02] <rickspencer31> didrocks: right
[22:02] <rickspencer31> great
[22:03] <didrocks> rickspencer31: I think that we can put the date accordingly to next feature freeze (and the talk in ubuntu dev week)
[22:03]  * didrocks opens his browser
[22:03] <rickspencer31> didrocks: I should be done my part this week or next
[22:06] <didrocks> ok, the talk is on 31 August, the feature freeze is the 27th. We can plan the release the 25. I'm on vacation for 2 weeks starting tomorrow, I will devote some time to quickly :)
[22:08] <rickspencer31> didrocks: I'm on holiday next week too!
[22:08] <rickspencer31> maybe we can do a release on Friday?
[22:09] <didrocks> rickspencer31: hum, it's just that I will be on travel on Friday, that's why this + organizing myself after vacations made tuesday optimal :)
[22:10] <rickspencer31> didrocks: k
[22:10] <didrocks> (and then, build + upload to karmic, but as the packaging is already done)
[22:11] <didrocks> rickspencer31: will you go back to USA for your vacations or do you plan visiting Ireland?
[22:11] <rickspencer31> didrocks: back to USA
[22:11] <rickspencer31> take my children to visit my parents
[22:12] <didrocks> rickspencer31: ok, some family holidays, great ;)
[22:12] <rickspencer31> didrocks: yes
[22:12] <rickspencer31> lots of quiet time, so I hope to do some work on quickly
[22:12] <rickspencer31> too
[22:13] <didrocks> rickspencer31: don't work to much ;)
[22:13] <rickspencer31> heh
[22:13] <rickspencer31> quickly isn't work
[22:13] <didrocks> I agree :)
[22:13] <rickspencer31> it's my community contribution for Karmic ;)
[22:14] <rickspencer31> didrocks: I've wanted to create something like quickly since I started using Linux (like 5 years ago or something)
[22:14] <didrocks> and that's quite good contribution, I hope people will really enjoy it when we will make some "advertisement" of it
[22:14] <rickspencer31> we'll
[22:14] <didrocks> rickspencer31: oh really?
[22:14] <rickspencer31> see
[22:14] <didrocks> it's a long time brainded project :)
[22:15] <rickspencer31> didrocks: oh yes
[22:15] <TheMuso> Good evening folks.
[22:15] <didrocks> good evening TheMuso
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> good evening TheMuso and didrocks
[22:21] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[22:21]  * pitti does the karmic dance
[22:22] <bryce> heya
[22:22] <pitti> Soyuz:Pitti 6:1 finally
[22:22]  * didrocks waves at pitti and bryce
[22:22]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[22:23] <bryce> didrocks, the quickly presentation went really good today, I was amazed at all the questions that everyone had.  Seems to be a strong pulse of interest
[22:25] <mdeslaur> didrocks: I saw the demo today and Quickly looks to be pretty cool.
[22:25] <didrocks> bryce: great! Now I just wait for releasing 0.2 and writing some blog posts to present in detail features and how it's organized :)
[22:26] <pitti> didrocks: indeed, that's hot stuff
[22:26] <didrocks> I would love that someone creates a new template :)
[22:26]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[22:27] <didrocks> all the ideas are from rickspencer31 ;)
[22:27] <rickspencer31> meh
[22:28] <rickspencer31> didrocks is modest
[22:31] <bryce> didrocks, I did a little copyediting on the text for the quickly project description - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248256/
[22:31] <bryce> didrocks, tried to make the first couple sentences give the "elevator pitch" for the tool
[22:34] <didrocks> bryce: Thanks! I read it: can you just put a little less emphasize about quickly and ubuntu applications relationship? The final goal is that quickly project is just the core and then ubuntu-project template is just another project (split them) to make quickly more upstreamable for other distros?
[22:37] <bryce> sure
[22:49] <Sarvatt> udev and libatasmart upgrades in pitti's ppa :D
[22:49] <pitti> Sarvatt: ?
[22:50] <Sarvatt> added the ppa's for quickly and it wanted to pull in the udev and libatasmart upgrades in your ppa
[22:51] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248264/
[22:55] <Sarvatt> this looks pretty nifty
[22:59] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[23:00] <didrocks> hey seb128 :)
[23:01] <didrocks> seb128: I will take a look at mutter tomorrow
[23:01] <seb128> didrocks, no hurry but thanks
[23:01] <seb128> didrocks, how are you?
[23:01] <didrocks> seb128: fine, even if I'm very busy with my work before my vacations :)
[23:01] <didrocks> seb128: and you?
[23:02] <seb128> fine too
[23:03] <didrocks> seb128: did you already visited the Guiness factory?
[23:03] <seb128> didrocks, when are you on vacations?
[23:03] <seb128> didrocks, no it's tomorrow evening
[23:03] <seb128> something weird happening there today though
[23:03] <seb128> it stopped raining
[23:03] <didrocks> seb128: tomorrow evening until the 24 \o/
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[23:03] <didrocks> oh!
[23:04] <didrocks> that's not normal
[23:04] <didrocks> be on your guard ;)
[23:04] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy your vacations then
[23:04] <seb128> btw long discussion on the xdg list
[23:04] <didrocks> seb128: thanks a long :)
[23:04] <seb128> I didn't manage to keep up with it so far
[23:04] <didrocks> seb128: yes. I'm answering right now
[23:04] <didrocks> seb128: I think we are closed to a solution :)
[23:04] <seb128> I'm wondering if the change is worth all the effort
[23:04] <seb128> but since that's started now let's see where it goes ;-)
[23:05] <didrocks> exactly :-)
[23:05] <didrocks> but well, I'm optimistic on it
[23:05] <seb128> good
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you're welcome to some of our rain if you want it
[23:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thank you but no thanks ;-)
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> did you actually see some sun too when it stopped raining?
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> summer really has been quite rubbish here this year :-/
[23:09] <seb128> weather was sort of sunny today yes
[23:09] <seb128> yeah, weird summer this year
[23:13] <didrocks> seb128: and you, your vacations are close too, right?
[23:13] <seb128> didrocks, yes, in 1.5 week from now
[23:14] <didrocks> one week, two weeks?
[23:14] <seb128> two
[23:14] <seb128> channel should be quiet during next weeks
[23:14] <didrocks> seb128: great. Enjoy them ;)
[23:14] <didrocks> for sure
[23:14] <seb128> pitti is on holidays for two weeks too starting next week
[23:14] <seb128> as is robert_ancell
[23:14] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> it will just be me here on my own then ;)
[23:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not take holidays during raining summer?
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> i have a week off work in 1.5 weeks too, but i'm not going anywhere
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm using the week to do some painting and plan my escape route from work:)
[23:17] <bryce> didrocks, sorry got distracted - this look better?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248276/
[23:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good luck with that then!
[23:19] <didrocks> bryce: perfect! Thanks a lot. I will try to get again your attention when splitting the project un two parts (putting ubuntu-templates in a dedicated launchpad project). I'm updating the quickly lp page :)
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks! i will probably go and visit some family too
[23:20] <didrocks> bryce: and right, I will steal distutils-extra backports from pitti's ppa :)
[23:21] <seb128> people tell me that rick did that already
[23:21] <seb128> so you can use rick's ppa rather than pitti's one to avoid other cracks
[23:21] <bryce> didrocks, okie doke.
[23:21] <didrocks> seb128: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+archive/ppa
[23:23] <seb128> didrocks, ok, misunderstanding there
[23:23] <seb128> would make sense to use the quickly ppa directly though
[23:23] <didrocks> seb128: yes. I'm pulling and pushing it right now
[23:23] <seb128> good
[23:24] <bryce> didrocks, I showed rick how to copy ppa stuff today
[23:24] <didrocks> bryce: oh? I'm interested :)
[23:24] <didrocks> Copy packages?
[23:24] <seb128> didrocks, you have a button on the launchpad page for that
[23:25] <seb128> right
[23:26] <didrocks> it's done, thanks :)
[23:26] <didrocks> ok, I can go to bed sooner consequently :-)
[23:27] <bryce> no prob
[23:27] <seb128> didrocks, good night
[23:27] <seb128> didrocks, let me know when you can do mutter so I can update gnome-shell
[23:27] <seb128> no hurry
[23:27] <pitti> good night all
[23:27] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I will :)
[23:27] <bryce> didrocks, btw when doing copies, if you have it rebuild, then it redoes the gpg keys, otherwise the packages will still be keyed for pitti
[23:28] <didrocks> bryce: oh, I just ask to copy binaries :/
[23:28] <didrocks> ok. I will fix that tomorrow
[23:28] <didrocks> have a good night seb128, bryce and pitti!
[23:28] <seb128> 'night
[23:29] <bryce> night didrocks


[00:47] <troglobyte> Does xubuntu install a beagle equivalent?
[01:20] <nicklas_> öj
[01:27] <Amgine> Question: How do I reduce sensitivity/turn off track pad mouse when I'm also using a usb mouse?
[01:27] <nicklas_> http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=y8o5ru0r03h7es7ei7tv.png
[02:57] <lyrae_> Hi im new to xubuntu. How do i remove icons from desktop (except mounted items, if possible)
[03:01] <Jora> Hello, I am having some trouble with my terminal when I try and enter my sudo password. The terminal will not let me enter anything when I try to enter my password.
[03:01] <Jora> What sorts of things might cause this? My keyboard is hooked up correctly etc.
[03:02] <Amgine> Jora: Are you sure it's not letting you enter anything? Normally sudo does not display anything while still accepting your input.
[03:02] <Jora> I'll try again
[03:02] <Amgine> Try typing in the password, then hit return.
[03:04] <Jora> I get this message: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:04] <Jora> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:05] <Jora> I'm trying to execute the command sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall
[03:06] <Amgine> Mmm, *that* I can't help with, as I'm a ubuntu/xubuntu newb.
[03:07] <seraku_> try one at a time
[04:55] <lyrae> how can i remove recycle bin and trash can from desktop?
[04:57] <jar> yes
[04:57] <jar> right click on the desktop and go into the desktop preference
[04:57] <jar> click icons
[04:58] <jar> and uncheck Trash
[04:58] <lyrae> thank you jar. and how about the volume icon on top right taskbar?
[04:59] <jar> right click
[04:59] <jar> remove
[04:59] <lyrae> no not that one
[05:00] <jar> To remove anything from a taskbar you can always right click and remove.
[05:00] <lyrae> i only get "mute" and "sound preferences" when i right click
[05:00] <lyrae> not this one though
[05:00] <jar> weird
[05:00] <jar> mine has remove
[05:01] <jar> because i have a more custom setup
[05:01] <lyrae> its not a widget you can add to taskbar i dont think
[05:01] <jar> That sounds weird.
[05:01] <lyrae> it does. i can show a ss if youd like. but ill just creaste a new taskbar and only add stuff i want
[05:02] <jar> a screenshot would be helpful
[05:02] <jar> Maybe I'm not understanding
[05:03] <lyrae> ahhhh ok i see it
[05:03] <lyrae> it was part of notification area
[05:03] <jar> ahhh
[05:03] <jar> that makes more sense
[05:03] <lyrae> i had to go to its properties and hide it by clicking a checkbox
[05:03] <jar> gotcha
[05:03] <lyrae> :) thanks for aughll your help tho
[05:03] <lyrae> thanks for all your help thought*
[05:03] <lyrae> sorry...new netbook, cant type yet
[05:04] <jar> it's fine
[05:04] <jar> which netbook do you have? :)
[05:05] <lyrae> dell mini inspiron. was free with comcast
[05:05] <jar> ahh sweet
[05:05] <lyrae> haha yea :)
[05:06] <jar> Nothing beats free
[05:06] <lyrae> nope
[13:44] <oelsen> hi
[13:44] <oelsen> i need help with cpu frequency scaling
[13:44] <oelsen> is there any central site for that=
[13:44] <oelsen> ?
[13:47] <gkuyyy> i have an xubuntu issue with my broadcomm wireless adapter
[13:47] <gkuyyy> namely i can't turn it on
[13:47] <gkuyyy> anyone have any tips?
[13:47] <gkuyyy> drivers are good
[13:48] <gkuyyy> has a hardware switch - a dedicated button above the keyboard, but obviously xubuntu doesn't recognize it
[13:48] <gkuyyy> any ideas on how to turn this bugger on?
[13:49] <_Pete_> it should be on automatically if your cpu supports it
[13:50] <_Pete_> oops
[13:50] <_Pete_> forget
[13:50] <_Pete_> :)
[13:50] <gkuyyy> yeah but it's not
[13:50] <gkuyyy> i agree though
[13:51] <gkuyyy> i wish i could find the compaq guy that designed it with an on off button and smash it on his head
[13:51] <gkuyyy> oh i'm a linux noob btw
[13:51] <gkuyyy> so go easy
[13:51] <gkuyyy> :)
[13:52] <gkuyyy> it's a copmaq presario v5000 pretty old
[13:53] <oelsen> anyone knows a central site/man page for that?
[13:53] <oelsen> i used freebsd and there are only two thing: kernel state settings and powerd. on ubuntu i am confused about what to use correctly
[13:54] <gkuyyy> when i run lshw it sees the adapter and says it's disabled
[13:54] <gkuyyy> i wish there were some sort of software switch or something
[13:54] <gkuyyy> i really can't conceptualize how to get the thing powered up
[13:55] <gkuyyy> when i installed ubuntu last year this wasn't an issue
[13:55] <gkuyyy> but xubuntu is a diff story
[13:55] <gkuyyy> would rather use xubuntu though
[13:55] <Sysi> have you set what power button should do?
[13:56] <gkuyyy> nope. it's not a key combo or anything it's a totally separate key
[13:56] <gkuyyy> lemme see if xubuntu sees it
[13:56] <Sysi> check settings on power manager
[13:56] <gkuyyy> ok
[13:57] <Sysi> can't remember if it does nothing by default
[14:00] <gkuyyy> no luck so far on that front but it's an intriguing angle
[14:04] <gkuyyy> i'm going to see if i can get the keyboard drivers installed to recognize the hardware switch
[14:07] <gkuyyy> i see a program called hp wireless assistant that i know can access the power to the adapter. what if i run it in wine? just to turn it on? would that work?
[14:19] <gkuyyy> gonna give up and install ubuntu and see what it's doing differently
[14:29] <oelsen> bye
[15:23] <Edgar1> hello anyone
[15:23] <Edgar1> I want to know something...
[15:24] <Edgar1> I have ubuntu 9.04 with gnome, and i want to install xfce but i dont want the complete xubuntu-desktop package
[15:24] <Edgar1> you know, without abiword, gnumeric or thunderbird
[15:24] <Edgar1> so my question is...can i just install the xfce package?
[15:27] <Sysi> why not?
[15:28] <Sysi> it takes what it need as dependencies, and should work
[15:28] <Edgar1> just asking, you know
[15:28] <Edgar1> ok
[15:29] <Sysi> only stupid questions are those which you you don't say  :)
[15:30] <Edgar1> xD
[15:37] <r0bert> hiho
[15:37] <r0bert> between the grub-2-menu and xubuntu's "sparkling"-splasg
[15:38] <r0bert> that mouse-logo is displayed
[15:38] <r0bert> what is it called (is it splash?) and hoe can i change it?
[15:42] <likemindead> I'm confused about that too, r0bert.
[15:42] <likemindead> And curious.
[15:42] <r0bert> !
[15:42] <r0bert> that's the spirit
[15:50] <Sysi> in grub settings/conf?
[15:52] <r0bert> that would be /etc/default/grub and a "no"
[15:53] <Sysi> it's not /boot/grub/menu.lst anymore?
[15:53] <r0bert> not with grub 2
[15:53] <r0bert> <:
[15:54] <r0bert> and some stuff in /etc/grub.d/ is important, too
[16:38] <sporedi> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock ----------(next line)---E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/-----(last line)-----E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[17:39] <joshua__> hi i have xubuntu 9.10 and none of my windows have any minimize or close buttons
[17:40] <Besogon> may be something that consern themes
[17:41] <joshua__> well i just installed it and it was like that
[17:41] <r0bert> applications => preferences => window management (something like that, dont have it in english)
[17:42] <joshua__> well ill have to quit cuz the window is in the way let me try
[17:43] <Besogon> xfce4-appearance-settings
[17:45] <joshua__> i tried opening window manager and window manager tweaks and neither of them would open
[17:45] <r0bert> open a console
[17:46] <r0bert> xfwm4-settings
[17:48] <joshua__> it said "these setting cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)"
[17:48] <r0bert> Oo
[17:48] <r0bert> did you change anything?
[17:48] <joshua__> nope
[17:49] <r0bert> very strange
[17:49] <joshua__> can i download and install one?
[17:49] <r0bert> did it work with the live-cd?
[17:49] <r0bert> did something fail when installing?
[17:50] <joshua__> maybe it said like skipping somthing at the begining but completed
[17:50] <joshua__> i used a torrent
[17:50] <r0bert> the official torrent?
[17:51] <joshua__> i clicked one from their website so i think so
[17:51] <r0bert> okay
[17:51] <joshua__> could it be my computer?
[17:51] <r0bert> dont think so
[17:52] <r0bert> can you do a
[17:52] <r0bert> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:52] <r0bert> ?
[17:52] <joshua__> well i had the previous release and did the upgrade and it worked fine but i thought it would be better to use the cd
[17:52] <joshua__> let me try
[17:53] <r0bert> sry
[17:53] <r0bert> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[17:53] <r0bert> did you format your partitions?
[17:54] <r0bert> maybe there's some interfering settings from the previous installation (i doubt that)
[17:54] <joshua__> it said i have the latest version
[17:54] <joshua__> k let me try reinstall
[17:58] <joshua__> i think it finished
[17:58] <joshua__> do i have to logout or anyhting
[17:59] <joshua__> and i did format my partitions
[17:59] <r0bert> dunno, just try logging out
[17:59] <joshua__> k
[18:03] <joshua__> nope still the same
[18:05] <joshua__> maybe it didnt burn right or download
[18:06] <r0bert> have you still got the image? you could perform a md5sum check
[18:06] <r0bert> but i doubt that, as your installation seems to have gone throught
[18:07] <joshua__> yep ill try that later cuz its on my mom comp
[18:07] <r0bert> could you try moving the .config directory to .config-bak und kill the xserver to restart it without saving its current setting?
[18:08] <r0bert> that way you'll be able to restore any settings you've made later on
[18:08] <r0bert> killing the xserver will work with alt+prntscrn+k
[18:08] <joshua__> i wouldnt no where to begin lol
[18:12] <joshua__> when i try using like gnome it runs slow. could that be my cpu or to little ram?
[18:12] <r0bert> what does that mean "using like gnome"?
[18:12] <joshua__> well i mean gnome
[18:13] <r0bert> besides, my cpu, gfx card and 1gb ram are 7.5 years old
[18:13] <r0bert> might be your ram/cpu then
[18:13] <joshua__> mines a bit older lol '00 or '01
[18:14] <joshua__> it was built for windows xp put that runs slow so i started tryin linux
[18:15] <r0bert> how much ram do you have?
[18:15] <r0bert> what cpu and gfx card?
[18:16] <joshua__> 256 ram, intel celeron
[18:16] <r0bert> yay
[18:16] <r0bert> lowest end <:
[18:16] <r0bert> u'd better stick with xfce
[18:16] <Besogon> LXDE
[18:16] <r0bert> ye, that would even be better
[18:17] <Sysi> or crunchbang
[18:17] <joshua__> is my cpu to blame too?
[18:17] <Sysi> xubuntu is bloated :\
[18:17] <Sysi> cpu doesn't matter much
[18:17] <joshua__> so if i get more ram?
[18:17] <r0bert> well it does to some extent
[18:18] <r0bert> but the whole comination makes it slow
 so if i get more ram?
[18:18] <r0bert> if u can get it for free
[18:18] <r0bert> any money on it will be considered wasted
[18:18] <r0bert> in my opinion
[18:19] <joshua__> what distro would u recommend
[18:21] <r0bert> there's a lxde spin of fedora
[18:21] <Sysi> lubuntu
[18:22] <r0bert> if there's such and you want to stay on ubuntu - there you go <.
[18:22] <joshua__> i never heard of it
[18:23] <Besogon> I repeat LXDE is lighter than XFCE.
[18:23] <joshua__> would that be the same as kde and gnome just look diff?
[18:23] <joshua__> for fedora
[18:24] <Besogon> I didn't try that but you can look at http://lxde.org/
[18:25] <r0bert> joshua__: read here => http://gilir.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/lubuntu-9-10-and-plan-for-lucid/
[18:30] <joshua__> um robert after they installed that lucid desktop it said to reboot. should i try that since i reinstalled xubuntu
[18:30] <r0bert> dont think so
[18:30] <r0bert> but go try
[18:34] <joshua__> damn still dont work
[18:35] <joshua__> but ne ways. can 1xde fedora do everything fedora with gnome or kde can do?
[18:35] <joshua__> like can they run all the same programs
[18:37] <r0bert> you can also stick with your current installation and change to lxde
[18:38] <joshua__> and i would type what in the terminal?
[18:41] <r0bert> dunno, i've never done that <.
[18:41] <r0bert> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu
[18:42] <joshua__> well i think either way it would be better for me to reinstall the whole distro
[18:45] <nicklas_> öj
[18:51] <nicklas_> i want a new harddrive now :-P
[18:59] <Sysi> i NEED some hard disc
[19:00] <Sysi> i have broken partition table
[19:00] <r0bert> i need money for hard disc drives
[19:00] <Sysi> i think i'll borrow one first
[19:11] <joshua__> i need one thats lockable
[19:49] <r0bert> between the grub-2-menu and xubuntu's "sparkling"-splash
[19:49] <r0bert> that mouse-logo is displayed
[19:50] <r0bert> what is it called (is it a splash?), where does it reside and how can i change it?
[19:50] <Admiral-Awesome> heh I'm not a fan of that logo either
[19:52] <FrozenFire[work]> What is the best way to generate thumbnails of images in Xubuntu? Preferably, it would provide a context menu item in Thunar, so I can just select a bunch of images and thumbnail them to a specified size.
[19:54] <Admiral-Awesome> Its there an easy way to disable ondemand like it was in gnome. rccconf doesnt seem to change anything now or sysv-rc-conf
[19:54] <Admiral-Awesome> Its still scales my 2 cpu
[20:11] <vik> hello, I want to disable ipv6 globally, what is the simpliest and best way of doing that in Karmic? Thanks
[21:25] <konstantink> hi folks.. little question here: i am running xubuntu 9.10 from virtualbox on a windows host. although experienced with ubuntu (at least, that's what i thought), i am having trouble to change the screen resolution. first approach: use some gui stuff (in settings). but the resolution i want wasn't listet. second approach: chagen xorg.conf. but... /etc/xorg.conf does not exist. so where does xfce store its config files?
[21:26] <konstantink> sorry... /etc/X11/xorg.conf..
[21:26] <konstantink> (doesn't exist either :) )
[21:26] <likemindead> Are you using any 'restricted hardware?'
[21:27] <konstantink> i am not sure. the t60 thinkpad has an ati graphics card. i wonder, however, what virtualbox makes out of it. lspci gives me just some standard stuff.VGA compatible controller: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
[21:29] <konstantink> i am just curious: is xfce not using xorg?
[21:29] <likemindead> It's not Xfce, it's how Ubuntu's changed.
[21:29] <likemindead> It weirds me out too. :-\
[21:29] <likemindead> I'd see if you can install the ATI drivers, I guess.
[21:30] <konstantink> ok, i was gonna do that but then i though: why install drivers if the system doesn't know about the real hardware. but i'll give it a try
[21:30] <konstantink> anyway... where is all that stuff stored if not in xorg.conf?
[21:35] <likemindead> That's where, again, I'm confused. It used to me much more... simple. :-\
[21:35] <likemindead> (Feel free to join in, lurkers.)
[21:35] <troglobyte> konstantink: Have you run the "install guest addittions..." from the virtualbox menu?
[21:36] <troglobyte> thats where you get drivers for your guest OS
[21:36] <konstantink> @troglobyte: yes, i did run that. as far as i can tell that worked out (i can change the resolution - i just can't pick the right one ...)
[21:36] <troglobyte> Ah
[21:37] <konstantink> i am running envy at the moment. don't think it'll work, though
[21:37] <troglobyte> do you have "auto-resize guest display "turned on? You can drag out the window and it'll adjust accordingly.
[21:38] <troglobyte> well, it should on a windows host anyway
[21:38] <konstantink> err..
[21:39] <konstantink> i don't think i do
[21:39] <konstantink> no fancy auto-resize stuff
[21:39] <konstantink> except, host+a, but that is something different, right?
[21:39] <troglobyte> my host is ubuntu so it may be different but I get the option under the 'Machine' menu
[21:40] <troglobyte> host+G
[21:40] <konstantink> oh, it's grey here.. can't activate it
[21:40] <troglobyte> aw bummer
[21:40] <konstantink> maybe i should check whether the guest additions are installed correctly..
[21:41] <troglobyte> it's quite a process if i remember correctly.
[21:41] <konstantink> but they have to be... i saw that script running with the kernel rebuilding stuff
[21:42] <konstantink> envy script is done. i'll restart and come back if it didn't help. if i don't show up again, envy solved it. however, i still don't know where xorg gets its config from
[21:48] <likemindead> !xorg
[21:48] <likemindead> Hmm...
[21:56] <konstantink> alright... that was anything but successful.
[21:57] <konstantink> envy did create a xorg.conf. that xorg. conf was obviously buggy (the driver did not exist) and caused gdm to crash
[21:57] <konstantink> i removed xorg.conf completely and now i am back to the state i was before
[21:58] <konstantink> that means, xorg is reading standard config files... but where are they? how come i am lost in this business again...
[22:13] <seevee> I ran sudo service gdm stop and then startxfce4 - did not give me the desired result, but the issue now is that the screen resolution only allows 800x600 as a maximum. Suggestions?
[22:17] <seevee> I'm running 9.04
[23:36] <garrythefish> not enough drilling. that's what's the problem with the lesbos at #ubuntu-women
[23:36] <garrythefish> see ya :)
[23:36] <garrythefish> not enough drilling. that's what's the problem with the lesbos at #ubuntu-women
[23:39] <likemindead> !ops | ban garrythefish, please?
[23:56] <likemindead> :-\
[23:57] <knome> hmm.
[23:58] <likemindead> No bans for bigoted, mysoginistic spammers?


[06:20] <arsdragonfly> Newly upgraded to 18.04 beta. Black screen after boot. Htop on tty1 shows lightdm has started. Any ideas?
[06:22] <arsdragonfly> No luck with nomodeset
[19:44] <craigbass76> Is there a real simple keyboard app that doesn't require jack? I'm trying to write something, and I want this on a PC upstairs. My music machine is in the basement, and this would save me running up and down all the time
[19:46] <SlidingHorn> craigbass76: try vkeybd


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[12:05] <juliank> laney: So the image building on multiple workers, to coordinate which worker is building; we can implement a locking and notification approach using 2 amqp queues.
[12:06] <juliank> laney: So the way it works, is that we use a single active consumer queue: https://www.rabbitmq.com/consumers.html#single-active-consumer
[12:06] <juliank> So while building the image, we need to read from that queue essentially, the queue acts as a mutex, but we don't put anything in it
[12:07] <juliank> Once we are done building the image, we stop the consumer, and then another worker's image building script would start
[12:07] <juliank> ok, that's only one queue actually .D
[12:08] <juliank> or do I have to push there?
[12:09] <juliank> in any case, I could publish to the queue first, then try to read my own message from it -> if that succeeded, I am the active worker
[12:10] <juliank> I must only ack one message, because other workers might have published to it too (they'll get their chance to read when we stop)
[12:11] <juliank> the implementation sucks
[12:11] <juliank> because it can only build an image at a time with one queue
[12:11] <juliank> we need one queue per (release, arch) pair ...
[12:12] <juliank> Or we build another service ensure-image-building-lock that acquires a lock and stays active while image building services run
[12:12] <juliank> Then one worker can build all cloud images in parallel, and the other can do nothing
[12:16] <juliank> But a lot of queues would work best
[12:20] <doko> apw, sforshee, xnox: is there any way to see which upstream version the linux package is based on?
[12:20] <apw> doko, if you are running it?  /proc/version_signature has the full upstream version
[12:21] <apw> doko, for general inquiries we also have: https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.txt though impish is missing for some reason
[12:22] <doko> apw, no, just looking at the package
[12:23] <apw> doko, with like apt-cache ... likely no
[12:23] <doko> apw, could you add that information to the changlog, when you're uploading?
[12:23] <apw> doko, i guess it would be reasonably easy to do... what is going to consume it?
[12:24] <apw> doko, are you interested in when it changes?
[12:24] <doko> just *knowing* which upstream version is used
[12:24] <apw> it feels like it should be in the package description for "something"
[12:25] <doko> or even better, a linux-libc-dev with a real upstream version in the package version
[12:26] <apw> we have always avoided having the third digit so we don't explode the librarian with new orig files all the time
[12:26] <apw> perhaps we could put somehting on that linux-libc-dev though with the upstream version in it
[12:27] <apw> if that would make life easier for you?
[12:27] <doko> documenting it in the changelog would be ok as well, assuming that you can parse that kind of information
[12:28] <apw> are you intending to consume it as a human, or scripted
[12:28] <doko> yes, or have a different binary version for every binary package built
[12:28] <doko> human
[12:28] <apw> i almost want to put a versioned provides on it
[12:29] <apw> then if something ever did care it could actually do something about it
[12:29] <juliank> Time to rewrite build-adt-image in python :)
[12:29] <doko> and what would be the package that you provide?
[12:29] <apw> linux-libc-dev-mainline (= foo) perhaps
[12:30] <cjwatson> apw: TBH I wonder whether the "avoid new orig files" is still the right tradeoff.  The size of a linux orig tarball looks rather less significant now than it did when we started this practice
[12:31] <juliank> But kernels are not rebased upon point release right now, so that's a ton of extra work, presumably?
[12:33] <apw> cjwatson, we would provide a new .orig for every single SRU cycle in the normal run of things, for every single kernel.  so 180M for each of 82 kernels.
[12:33] <apw> which by my calculation is 14TB every 3 weeks?
[12:33] <cjwatson> Hm yeah, I suppose ...
[12:34] <cjwatson> I always forget what an absurdly enormous number of kernels you have
[12:34] <apw> or are you able to collesce the orig by contents?  as there is more like only 4 for every cycle.
[12:34] <cjwatson> No
[12:34] <cjwatson> Well maybe if they're actually bitwise-identical
[12:34] <apw> they are bitwise identicle
[12:35] <apw> i assume you _arn't_ currently sharing the bits, but you might be able to?
[12:35] <cjwatson> I think we are actually
[12:35] <cjwatson> But I'll check after this meeting
[12:35] <apw> ack and thanks
[12:42] <cjwatson> apw: Oh right, yeah, they get temporarily added as duplicates and then librarian-gc deduplicates them
[12:43] <doko> so the space usage wouldn't be an issue in the end?
[12:47] <cjwatson> So it'd still be a TB a month or so, which isn't entirely insignificant
[12:48] <cjwatson> Maybe better not change it until the librarian is on PS5 and we get a feel for what space usage looks like there
[12:49] <cjwatson> Actually no, neither apw nor I can multiply apparently
[12:49] <cjwatson> 180M * 82 is 14G not 14T
[12:49] <doko> ;p
[12:50] <cjwatson> That makes rather more sense, I was wondering how you'd manage to generate like a sixth of the librarian's total storage size in three weeks
[12:51] <cjwatson> So <1G extra per three weeks is noise and will not really be noticed from our point of view.  I can't speak to whatever extra rebase work it might require of course.
[12:53] <cjwatson> And of course it would presumably require some tooling changes.  I do think it would be ultimately the right thing to do though.
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[14:06] <laney> juliank: sorry your pings scrolled off the top, my highlighting is broken somehow
[14:06] <laney> I did a mutex type thing for the /running page the other week
[14:07] <juliank> laney: I implemented a locking class now: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z5bhK8ZxxW/ :D
[14:07] <juliank> laney: Oh, did I do extra effort?
[14:08] <laney> cache-amqp
[14:08] <laney> well, you can port that to your shiny thing?
[14:08] <laney> https://git.launchpad.net/autopkgtest-cloud/commit/?id=13b54e7baa95ab62f8431a03be288596ea46cc99
[14:09] <laney> yours is sleepless so nicer
[14:09] <laney> assuming it works
[14:09] <juliank> laney: It does work AFAICT
[14:10] <juliank> laney: Probably should bind this to a new exchange?
[14:10] <laney> I guess so
[14:10] <juliank> This requires rabbitmq 3.8, which luckily we have :)
[14:11] <juliank> And yes, this rabbitmq extension was designed to avoid the need for polling
[14:15] <juliank> laney: Next step essentially is to rewrite build-adt-image in python and then just have to integrate the class
[14:16] <juliank> laney: That might be all that's needed for multiple workers (I already have the "delete only our own instances" in the branch)
[14:16] <juliank> Unless you can think of other stuff
[14:18] <juliank> I'll probably rewrite the context manager a bit, maybe using contextlib decorator instead of class it's a bit unwieldy right now
[14:18] <laney> charm work to distribute the nodes
[14:18] <laney> workers*
[14:18] <juliank> oh that
[14:18] <juliank> ack
[14:18]  * juliank adds to checklist
[14:20] <laney> 👍
[14:20] <laney> we'll need a logging stack after this!
[14:20] <laney> going en ter prise
[14:21] <juliank> Waiting for ACaaS
[14:22] <bdmurray> laney, juliank: could one of you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~juergh/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/405620 ?
[15:15] <jawn-smith> sil2100: can we turn on daily image builds for focal on the unmatched?
[15:15] <jawn-smith> while it doesn't have the kernel updates yet, it should boot in qemu
[15:16] <jawn-smith> I built an image with -proposed enabled to verify that
[15:16] <laney> bdmurray: yeah
[15:17] <laney> I wonder why Juerg was looking at that 😳
[15:17] <laney> but GREAT, I knew we had a zombie case somewhere but didn't find it
[15:31] <bdmurray> laney: Thanks
[15:32] <juergh> laney, coz I tried to create an ADT base image in canonistack to reproduce an ADT kernel test problem but failed miserably.
[15:38] <laney> ah
[15:38] <laney> glance (the image service) in Canonistack has been pretty flaky lately
[15:38] <laney> so not surprised if you hit the retry cases there
[15:38] <juergh> so I've noticed...
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[19:15] <blackboxsw> woot! thanks sergiodj loooking like you are uploading into -proposed for us to start testing. Thanks for the sponsorship
[19:15] <blackboxsw> and thx athos for reviews as well on these PRs
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[19:18] <sergiodj> blackboxsw: +1, my pleasure!  and this was mostly athos' effort, I just uploaded the packages :-P
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[19:23] <athos> thanks, sergiodj :)
[19:37] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: Is it important to get the xenial one in before the archive closes?
[19:54] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: if the archive closes on Xenial, that would indicate to us that we need to use ESM ppas and the security team for delivering this upload to their PPAs. I think our plan was continue to use Xenial as long as it is considered "allowed" and then once not possible, we'd move to running through security team uploads to ESM-infra PPAs
[19:55] <blackboxsw> since esm-infra needs to be active/enabled for "support" on Xenial, it works for us if we are directed to work with the security team and esm-infra PPAs for uploading Xenial from here on forward.
[19:56] <bdmurray> I thought I'd heard something about an important change in the next version of u-a-t which needed to be in xenial but I could be remembering wrong.
[20:15] <blackboxsw> bdmurray, you remember correctly. There is one ESM-related feature that is waiting in the wings that we were hoping to get into xenial-updates. That feature is still in beta and driven by Lech. We've pinged to sort expectation from him on when that should be solid as it only involves a small change to ua-tools to "enable" it.
[20:18] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: Okay, so this isn't that upload but you'd still like it reviewed posthaste - correct?
[20:19] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: was just typing basically a pleasant request for review. If there is a possibility to review this upload it's a minor point release that does have some significant benefit for FIPS customers and any customers that have proxy configuration needs.
[20:20] <blackboxsw> if xenial is not an option, we can sort that with security team internally, but ultimately version 28.0 would be the esm feature
[20:20] <blackboxsw> that you made allusions to.
[21:38] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: I'm not sure really what to do here with the software-properties-gtk SRU. I know there is a better/cleaner way to do this, but I'm not sure if we should have them address that in a followup iteration for their work or not. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1920836
[21:39] <blackboxsw> patch suggested there that will mitigate the SRU verification concerns that were posted..... but not sure if I want to send them back to the drawing board on better handling of ua status output until next SRU. I've pinged Robert on that to see what he things
[21:39] <blackboxsw> thinks
[21:45] <bdmurray> I don't think many people run software-properties-gtk from the terminal so the messages wouldn't be seen, but the extra time isn't great.
[21:47] <blackboxsw> ack. maybe worth a rejection there and get an upload into impish that doesn't call `ua status` given that the default case on most systems it doesn't provide value when running as non-root.
[22:25] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: did your former conversation on ubuntu-advantage-tools mean you were looking over the ua-tools SRU ? Or should I ping sil-2100 for tomorrow's SRU rotation
[22:28] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: I don't think I'm going to get to it today so ping that other person ;-)
[23:12] <blackboxsw> thanks bdmurray!
[23:14] <blackboxsw> sil2100: for tomorrow, we have an ubuntu-advantage-tools SRU queued for review to get into the -proposed pockets for X, B, F and H per LP: #1934902
[23:49] <sil2100> blackboxsw: o/


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