[00:09] <oddtod> hello everyone, i'm building a deployment pipeline using Microsoft's team foundation server, I gave permission to the useraccount running the agent stop/start permissions in sudoers file with no password requireed but it looks like TFS executes scripts using "/bin/bash --noprofile --norc /home/geard/vstsagent/_work/_temp/1224df2e-e441-4036-8145-8bcd823eb98b.sh"
[00:10] <oddtod> I am curious how I can give this type of execution permission to stop and start nginx
[00:11] <OerHeks> oddtod, for the WSL part, there is a dedicated channel
[00:11] <OerHeks> !wsl
[00:13] <sarnold> oddtod: do you have any control over the contents of those scripts?
[01:29] <oddtod> OerHeks: this isn't WSL
[01:30] <oddtod> sarnold: I do, TFS just pushes files and commands to it the Ubuntu server via VSTSagent.
[01:31] <oddtod> sarnold: sorry for the delay in response, wife came home
[01:31] <sarnold> oddtod: you could stuff 'sudo' commands in that script directly; it's usually not a good idea to write scripts with sudo in them, but it's not the worst thing either..
[01:33] <oddtod> sarnold: yeah. i am curious who i would have to add as a sudoer in that situation. it says no profile so i assume it isn't running it as who the agent is running as, do i have that incorrect?
[01:33] <sarnold> oddtod: hmmm.. you could stuff an id command in there and see what user is executing the script
[01:40] <leonardus> How do I get consolas on ubuntu?
[01:44] <OerHeks> leonardus, consolas as in the TTF?
[01:44] <leonardus> yes
[01:45] <OerHeks> if the version is still 1.12 > https://gist.github.com/sigoden/d01ad118da677f796bab01781b7eae23
[01:46] <OerHeks> this will install systemwide, not in the user folder
[01:47] <leonardus> OerHeks: thanks, that worked!
[01:47] <OerHeks> have fun!
[01:48] <oddtod> sarnold: I was thinkiing the same thing. Thanks for the advice, i'll get back to you.
[01:52] <oddtod> sarnold: odd it runs as me but it says "Failed to stop nginx.service: Interactive authentication required."
[01:53] <sarnold> oddtod: hmm, what's your sudoers look like?
[01:55] <oddtod> https://pastebin.com/L3RpLqa1
[01:59] <LimeT> hi
[01:59] <LimeT> I am trying to install mozjpeg but I failed:
[01:59] <LimeT> https://dpaste.de/ZDJx/raw
[01:59] <LimeT> what is wrong?
[01:59] <oddtod> sarnold:
[02:01] <sarnold> oddtod: so.. try adding a line like Defaults = !requiretty   -- BE SURE TO USE visudo -- I'm not convinced this is perfect.. it should default to off, but it sure feels like what you're seeing
[02:07] <oddtod> sarnold: i'll have to look into requirepretty thanks for the information
[02:08] <sarnold> oddtod: if that doesn't work out, maybe systemd's polkit integration
[02:08] <sarnold> oddtod: I know that even less than sudoers, but it's there
[02:13] <oddtod> sarnold: thanks for the leads, i really appreciate it
[02:14] <sarnold> oddtod: you're welcome; I just wish that it'd have been easy
[02:15] <oddtod> sarnold: nothing about team foundation server is easy :P
[02:15] <sarnold> :(
[02:15] <oddtod> its actually not too bad, just has some strange quirks cause it is trying to be a one stop shop
[02:33] <Kon-> Why, when I remove a snap, does it say it's saving a snapshot of the removed snap? Where can I see these files, and can I remove them?
[02:34] <Kon-> This showed up while running "snap remove," which unfortunately doesn't maintain complete logs in the terminal. But it did claim it was saving a snapshot and it appears to have used quite a lot of disk space - almost as much as the removed snap
[02:36] <ZaZaGX> in the snap folder
[02:36] <ZaZaGX> its in the home directory
[02:38] <Kon-> Thanks. And is there a way to forcibly remove the "core" snap? Kubuntu comes with snapd preinstalled, but not "core," but once the core snap is installed, it doesn't allow the user to uninstall it through "snap remove core"
[02:40] <ZaZaGX> not sure
[02:50] <OerHeks> core is part of snapd, so that is why
[02:56] <StupidLikeAFox> is there an easy way to install grub onto an hdd when booted from liveusb?
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> !grub | StupidLikeAFox
[03:00] <Kon-> I fixed it. Recovered 900MB on my / partition and "snap list" command functions properly to show no snaps installed
[03:02] <Kon-> Basically remove /var/lib/snapd, /snap/, and all snapd-associated systemd services. Reboot, and a barebones snapd will still be working
[03:03] <Kon-> OerHeks: Several *ubuntu desktop flavors ship with snapd installed in this minimal state, sans the core snap
[03:04] <StupidLikeAFox> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[03:04] <StupidLikeAFox> the first command, add-apt isn't working-
[03:05] <StupidLikeAFox> in a live usb of xubuntu 18.04.2lts
[03:06] <OerHeks> run apt update first, to get fresh lists
[03:08] <StupidLikeAFox> it's saying add-apt isn
[03:08] <StupidLikeAFox> t a valid command
[03:10] <OerHeks> sudo add-apt-repository ..
[03:11] <StupidLikeAFox> Oh.
[03:12] <StupidLikeAFox> Ugh, the font and screen settings on here aren't doing me any favors, thank you.
[03:17] <StupidLikeAFox> hmm, I don't think it did what I was trying to get it to do
[03:18] <StupidLikeAFox> trying to install grub on z drive with no OS on it yet, not sure I partitioned it properly for guid this time
[03:24] <tg-127> Hello
[03:30] <uRock> zzz
[03:30] <tg-127> zzzz
[03:33] <tg-127> tyzoid, could you by any chance be tyzoid from the former AI on discord?
[04:05] <yao_ziyuan> after an update, all bold text are not rendered bold in chrome!
[04:06] <yao_ziyuan> i saw this problem in ubuntu 18.10 and that's why i keep running 18.04 LTS till today
[05:24] <exospecies> hi, i would like to install ubuntu desktop on an old laptop, but i noticed Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS is too big for a CD R, and i only have CD R's
[05:27] <exospecies> is there only a 64 bit version?
[05:36] <DanDare> exospecies, i think you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:37] <SwedeMike> exospecies: https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads  there is a "network installer" that's supposedly will fit CD ?
[05:56] <cstk421> have a simple bash script that pulls an image from a camera via curl.  Requires sudo to run and no matter what i do i am unable to get it to run without elevated rights.  I added the user to the sudoers group and still not working.  Suggestions ?
[06:01] <cstk421> ha nm i got it
[06:43] <ZaZaGX> hello, off topic here, but how do i auth in SASL on Irssi chat client on ubuntu?
[07:16] <OerHeks> ZaZaGX, easy to find, no?
[07:16] <OerHeks> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/irssi
[07:37] <cart_man> Hi everyone. My ethernet connection recently simply vanished and I think it might be realated to an OS upgrade I did a while ago. I reinstalled the realtek drivers using "apt-get install r8168-dkms" but it didnt seem to do anything. The actual ethernet card does not even show up on "IFCONFIG"
[07:38] <cart_man> lsmod shows that it is there as r8168 but simply doesnt connect. Cant choose it on the UI network setup either
[08:05] <pavlushka> cart_man: can you post the "lspci -nnk" output?
[08:13] <cart_man> @pavlushka: Yes one second
[08:15] <cart_man> @pavlushka -> https://hastebin.com/fosuhasihu.makefile
[08:15] <cart_man> There is allot of commands and a quick explanation of what I did
[08:17] <cart_man> @pavlushka btw even the lights on my ethernet card goes on. greena and orange
[08:32] <cart_man> pavlushka: Hi sorry I Disconnected
[08:33] <cart_man> pavlushka: Did you perhaps have a look at the hastebin?
[08:33] <pavlushka> cart_man: yes
[08:33] <cart_man> pavlushka: I just saw that I can see the card but its DOWN. When I UP it nothing happens though
[08:35] <pavlushka> cart_man: how you can see the card state?
[08:36] <cart_man> pavlushka: ip link show
[08:37] <pavlushka> cart_man: I was thinking of telling you that but you got it
[08:37] <cart_man> pavlushka: The thing is though even if I activate the card is just refuses to show up ... this is crazy ?
[08:38] <pavlushka> cart_man: now try to troubleshoot the conf with the help of https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Network_Debugging
[08:40] <pavlushka> cart_man: your device is enp2s0 right?
[08:41] <cart_man> pavlushka: Ok I am going offline quickly to see if it works. So I have to drop this connection quickly but Ill be back. Yes In can see it now after restarting and flushing DHCP whatever that means
[08:41] <cart_man> the Kubuntu UI doesnt know it exists though
[08:41] <cart_man> ifconfig seems to know it does
[08:42] <pavlushka> aha
[08:42] <cart_man> im still here? Lol ok so it does work .. I DCed networkn conf and apparently ive been on ethernet for the last 5 mins
[08:42] <cart_man> YAY
[08:42] <cart_man> @pavlushka Thanks allot for the assitance
[08:45] <caroga> hi all
[09:00] <pavlushka> cart_man: always nice to assist fixing issue just by talking :)
[09:00] <pavlushka> caroga: hi
[09:03] <crose> When I press Alt + AltGr + a, xterm receives the sequence of keys Escape | (I've modified the layout so that AltGr + a sends |).
[09:03] <crose> But when I press Alt + AltGr + x, xterm doesn't receive anything.
[09:03] <crose> Is there a way to configure the keyboard layout so that Alt + AltGr + x works in the same way as Alt + AltGr + a?
[09:03] <crose> The issue is not specific to xterm.
[09:33] <coffeecow> i keep getting permission errors for bitcoin-core.qt saying it can't write to my SD card for the data directory... (I don't have much other choice for the medium). It says to check permissions... what permissions does it need?
[09:38] <tomreyn> coffeecow: there's no file called "bitcoin-core.qt" in ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[09:40] <coffeecow> i'm using disco dingo
[09:40] <coffeecow> im trying to use bitcoin-core
[09:46] <nisankhindia> There is a wired issue with my Ubuntu system proxy , checked the environment , network settings as well as my router settinsg but there is nothing configured to use proxy , But my system always uses German IP address as well as while using firefox or other browsers it say example if i type google.com it connects me to german version
[09:58] <tomreyn> !info bitcoin-core disco
[09:58] <tomreyn> coffeecow: ^
[10:01] <tomreyn> coffeecow: generally, a software you installed and run, as a user, probably needs to be able to write to your home directory. make sure this file system has not run full (df -h /home), is not mounted read-only (mount), and read its documentation to understand where it needs to write to, then check whether it can write there.
[10:02] <coffeecow> thanks
[10:06] <coffeecow> i hope ubuntu will support the thinkpad x390 LTE thingy soon
[10:11] <Xatenev> can i somehow set the default image viewer via cli?
[10:12] <Xatenev> (or not via cli but i dont have all the config guis)
[10:12] <Xatenev> i tried exo-preferred-applicationis but it doesnt list it
[10:13] <Xatenev> I can do right click => properties in my file manager and set it there then it works for file manager but not if i open an image via chrome
[10:13] <Xatenev> i.e. if i click on a just-downloaded image
[10:29] <cart_man> Hi eveyrone. I just followed this guide to do a quick test for sqlite. But I can not seem to write to the file I shared from Windows side? -> https://www.howtogeek.com/176471/how-to-share-files-between-windows-and-linux/
[10:58] <hans_> if i want to boot into windows by default on a multiboot GRUB, i should set GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sda2)" in /etc/default/grub , does that sound about right?
[11:05] <EriC^^> hans_: yeah
[11:06] <EriC^^> hans_: you could also use the menu entry id 'os-prober-blabla'
[11:06] <EriC^^> then sudo update-grub
[11:09] <hans_> EriC^^, thanks, it worked :)  windows is default boot target now
[11:10] <hans_> (.. need that for a video)
[11:39] <EriC^^> hans_: great, no problem :)
[11:40] <dr0id> hi
[11:40] <EoflaOE> hi dr0id, do you have a question?
[11:43] <mixxit> hi
[11:43] <mixxit> i cant seem to browse the internet any more
[11:43] <mixxit> i ran firefox via terminal to see if there is any output
[11:43] <mixxit> Parent 10238, Gecko_IOThread] WARNING: pipe error (61): Connection reset by peer: file /build/firefox-xYjoCD/firefox-68.0+build3/ipc/chromium/src/chrome/common/ipc_channel_posix.cc, line 358
[11:43] <mixxit> i can get on irc, steam etc
[11:50] <zeropoint969> looking for some assistant as to snapshot solution from my server running home assistant and other docker apps. Is BTRFS a good option or not. No critical data is involved
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:54] <OerHeks> zeropoint969, btrfs and lvm, there are lots of arguments for/against both
[11:54] <Fuchs> I don't think BTRFS and critical data mix, but in case of critical data you want backups anyway
[11:59] <zeropoint969> is there a way to get the  ubuntu installer to auto create @home subvoume without the manual stuff
[11:59] <zeropoint969> and chroot
[12:00] <zeropoint969> i managed to get the whole procedure to work in VM; now attempting bare metal on my J1900 nuc (very low powered)
[12:08] <alivebacon> when i install ubuntu in vmware
[12:09] <alivebacon> i get an error telling me to remove the disc and clean it
[12:09] <alivebacon> I AM USING AN ISO.
[12:10] <OerHeks> vmware issue ..
[12:12] <alivebacon> I changed the hdd space and ram to the minimum
[12:12] <alivebacon> 4GB of ram, 25GB of HDD space.
[12:13] <alivebacon> How do I make a live usb
[12:14] <kota111> download rufus : https://rufus.ie/
[12:14] <kota111> Use this to create a live USB
[12:15] <alivebacon> i forgot that rufus could do that
[12:15] <kota111> I use that to install all ISO
[12:15] <kota111> i have used it for about 20 different installs
[12:15] <kota111> its trustable
[12:15] <alivebacon> Of what?
[12:16] <kota111> Of differtnt types of linux
[12:16] <kota111> i moved on from ubuntu to arch
[12:16] <kota111> tried multiple distorb in between
[12:16] <alivebacon> wai?
[12:16] <alivebacon> why arch?
[12:17] <OerHeks> !usb
[12:17] <kota111> coz ubuntu is really slow
[12:17] <kota111> after years in linux I moved onto arch
[12:17] <kota111> now i know how bad ubntu is
[12:17] <kota111> if u are beginner,try ubuntu
[12:17] <OerHeks> kota111, interesting, but this is a support channel
[12:17] <alivebacon> yi
[12:18] <OerHeks> so please, no flamewar, thanks
[12:18] <kota111> Yes
[12:18] <kota111> no flame wars!
[12:18] <alivebacon> also, why are they called live cds
[12:18] <alivebacon> and yet can be burned to cd-rs
[12:18] <kota111> yes
[12:18] <OerHeks> dunno, we call them live iso's
[12:19] <alivebacon> The use of "live" implies that it's a persistent install, WHICH IT CAN'T BE.
[12:19] <kota111> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=IE&version=18.04.2&architecture=amd64
[12:19] <kota111> Downlad the iso from this link
[12:19] <kota111> its 18.04
[12:19] <OerHeks> alivebacon, no persistence.
[12:19] <alivebacon> i have it already
[12:19] <kota111> ohk
[12:19] <alivebacon> ye, ik
[12:19] <kota111> what is the problem with the USB installer?
[12:19] <alivebacon> I'm just saying that the name implies that it is.
[12:20] <alivebacon> nothing
[12:20] <kota111> k
[12:20] <alivebacon> because USBs can be written to
[12:21] <alivebacon> Wait, is DSL any gud
[12:21] <alivebacon> as in dam small linux
[12:22] <alivebacon> ...
[12:23] <alivebacon> What is Mint?
[12:23] <OerHeks> alivebacon, who cares, it is not ubuntu
[12:23] <OerHeks> !ot
[12:23] <alivebacon> IK
[12:52] <caroga> What would be recommed to use: TLP over Laptop-mode-tools or otherwise? Or is it a matter of personal preference?
[12:54] <yelowfish> hi all .may i request assistance regarding audio ? after removing pulseaudio equalizer from xenial,no sound anymore
[12:55] <alivebacon> I assume that is software.
[12:55] <alivebacon> Maybe the equalizer was somehow tied to your audio drivers.
[13:00] <tomreyn> yelowfish: to see all the packages which got last removed (or installed): tail -n 100 /var/log/apt/history.log
[13:00] <yelowfish> k.1 moment
[13:01] <tomreyn> maybe some packages were removed which should not have been.  installing the    ubuntu-desktop    package should ensure you have all the standard ubuntu desktop packages installed.
[13:02] <tomreyn> this is assuming you're using the default ubuntu desktop environment. on 16.04, that's unity.
[13:02] <yelowfish> how to reinstall the defaults ?
[13:03] <tomreyn> i just explained the package you need to install to ensure the packages for the default desktop are installed. are you asking how to install packages, or how to reset configuration?
[13:05] <yelowfish> hmm. is this the 1? : https://askubuntu.com/a/95878
[13:08] <tomreyn> yelowfish: running those three commands on the first response should not do any harm (unless you modified those packages somehow).
[13:08] <tomreyn> ignore the 'unless'.
[13:09] <yelowfish> ok.
[13:09] <tomreyn> its safe
[13:19] <tomreyn> yelowfish: also run this:     sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop^         # the caret at the end is important
[13:20] <yelowfish> thats the fourth command?
[13:22] <tomreyn> yelowfish: someone just pointed out to me in #ubuntu-discuss that this is a better (more complete) command to run than the one i provided earlier, so i passed it on to you.
[13:23] <yelowfish> tnx man..
[13:23] <yelowfish> upgrade is still in progress..ill just use the latter then
[13:24] <yelowfish> pulseaudio equalizer is troublesome,do u guys have alternative ?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol | yelowfish
[13:33] <UukGoblin> The instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/iso2usb/diy#Use_dd_to_clone_in_a_risky_way seem to be missing the .xz extraction step
[13:34] <UukGoblin> cloning the .xz to /dev/sdX results in no partitions, cloning it extracted creates /dev/sdX1 as expected
[13:35] <UukGoblin> still; that's quite inefficient... I remember times where you could just dd the .iso to the partition, without the intermediate step of cloning that grub thing
[13:36] <UukGoblin> also weird is that this grub thing is an 8GB partition, when the installation .iso fits on just 2GB
[13:40] <BluesKaj> UukGoblin, check again, if you used uefi boot with the installer then it's under 512mb
[13:40] <yelowfish> no luck,still no audio
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> UukGoblin: First, that's the advantage of that page being a Wiki, you're welcome to update the instructions with the correct information. ISO is NOT a compressed format which is why you could easily DD the image to a USB drive. The .xz file type is a compressed format, dd does not automatically detect compression to automatically inflate, it assume that the source is a binary blob that you intended to right as is to it's
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> destination.
[13:41] <UukGoblin> BluesKaj, I'm following the DIY instructions for UEFI+BIOS
[13:42] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, open alsamixer in the console and make sure your volctls are at least 80% and your automute is disabled
[13:42] <UukGoblin> pragmaticenigma, sure, just wanted to double check that I'm making sense before editing :-)
[13:42] <UukGoblin> pragmaticenigma, what I mean, is that I now must first clone the 8GiB of mostly-zeroes (uncompressed from grub-do-it-yourself.img.xz), and THEN copy the 2G of files manually from the .iso
[13:43] <UukGoblin> so that's roughly 8GiB of wasted writes to the pendrive
[13:45] <UukGoblin> ah, yes, I think I went too far, it appears I still can just clone the .iso using instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/iso2usb#Cloning_and_extraction
[13:54] <yelowfish> BluesKaj, cant locate volctls
[13:55] <yelowfish> sound settings gui > output > no items inside box
[13:55] <yelowfish> sound settings gui > output > no items inside play sound through box
[13:56] <BluesKaj> volume controls
[13:56] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, type alsamixer in the console
[13:58] <yelowfish> already did
[14:00] <BluesKaj> do you know how to use alsamixer?
[14:00] <yelowfish> 1st time to use it
[14:02] <BluesKaj> use the arrow keys to navigate, then any relevant volume controls that have MM in the box should be changed to 00 using the M key
[14:04] <BluesKaj> use up arrow to increase the volume of said volume controls, use the down arrow key to disable automute
[14:08] <BluesKaj> once done, use the escape key to get back to the prompt
[14:08] <mrproper> I am trying to get 18.04 server to resolve internal IP addresses ending in .local. I followed https://askubuntu.com/questions/1068131/ubuntu-18-04-local-domain-dns-lookup-not-working and it resolves, but when I `sudo su` it now says `sudo: unable to resolve host e4ubnt1ansbl01: Device or resource busy`
[14:10] <mrproper> Reboot fixed.
[14:11] <yelowfish> tried f6,choose a soundcard that has editable bars,search options by arrow to right,volctls nowhere
[14:14] <BluesKaj> volctls= volume controls
[14:14] <GrandPa-G> I am looking for an app that will run on ubuntu (18) that controls bluetooth with buttons like a joystick. It is really to test another development machine.
[14:15] <yelowfish> is it safe to reinstal  alsa?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, do you see s/pdif boxes instead of volume controls?
[14:16] <yelowfish> yes
[14:17] <BluesKaj> ok , change the soundcard to default in F6
[14:17] <yelowfish> done
[14:17] <BluesKaj> relaunch alsamixer
[14:17] <GrandPa-G> something like this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextprototypes.BTSerialController&hl=en_US
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> GrandPa-G: This forum focuses it's attention to support Ubuntu installations and software installed through the package manager. For software recommendations, please visit our #ubuntu-offtopic channel. Thanks
[14:20] <yelowfish> BluesKaj, still same options with alsa
[14:22] <yelowfish> on f6 : default / hda ati hdmi / hd audio generic /  default is hightlighted
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hd audio generic
[14:23] <yelowfish> ok.i see bars again
[14:24] <BluesKaj> right, hdmi is digital output s/pdif , generic should be analog
[14:25] <BluesKaj> if that's what you want
[14:26] <yelowfish> bottom headers are selectable,i need to find? cant find hdmi option
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hdmi use the s/pdif output
[14:29] <BluesKaj> uses
[14:30] <BluesKaj> just make sure they aren't muted
[14:30] <popey_> uh, hdmi doesn't use s/pdif. s/pdif is a very specific protocol which is lower spec than hdmi
[14:30] <popey_> wonder if our dialogs are a bit wonky on that
[14:30] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, if that's what you are connecting with
[14:31] <yelowfish> mute indicator?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> depends on the sound card
[14:31] <BluesKaj> mute means MM
[14:31] <yelowfish> cant remove MM when using arrow keys
[14:32] <BluesKaj> use the M key
[14:33] <BluesKaj> popey_, I use hdmi output , but there's no hdmi ctl in my alsamixer
[14:33] <yelowfish> mm just blinks on s/pdif
[14:34] <BluesKaj> using the m key?, no 00 ?
[14:35] <yelowfish> OO means ?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> open'
[14:38] <yelowfish> after 00 them all,need to save by?
[14:38] <yelowfish> one s/pdif still on mm.unresponsive
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ok escape then sudo alsactl store
[14:40] <CoolerZ> hi
[14:40] <CoolerZ> i can't seem to open bluetooth manager
[14:40] <CoolerZ> blueman
[14:40] <CoolerZ> i click on it and it appears in the top toolbar like it's opening but it doesn't open
[14:41] <yelowfish> audio icon on unity still on x
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, which audio chip is this?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> upper left in alsamixer will show it
[14:43] <yelowfish> ati r6xx hdmi
[14:46] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, ok open the console and copy and paste this, xrandr --output HDMI-0 --set audio on , theh hit enter
[14:47] <yelowfish> done
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok you may need to reboot
[14:51] <yelowfish> BluesKaj, still no audio sir
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok check pavucontrol volume
[14:52] <yelowfish> on gui.audio settings: bar is movable.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok increase
[14:54] <yelowfish> output tab/play sound through box : no items inside
[14:54] <yelowfish> maxed output vol: still no sound
[14:54] <BluesKaj> ok check pavucontrol volume
[14:54] <yelowfish> pavucontrol is that the same as sound settings?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> you may need to install it
[14:57] <yelowfish> aka pavuk?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> nope
[14:57] <BluesKaj> check your package manager
[14:57] <yelowfish> pulseaudio volume control ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> or run sudo apt install pavucontrol in the console
[14:58] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio volume control yes
[14:59] <yelowfish> done installing pavucontrol.. also pulseaudio vol ctrl?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> they're the same thing
[15:01] <BluesKaj> wish linux would come up with a comprehensive audio suite instead of this dog's breakfast we're dealing with
[15:01] <yelowfish> tsk tsk
[15:02] <yelowfish> need system restart?
[15:02] <yelowfish> audio icon indicator still with x
[15:03] <BluesKaj> well, I've run out of ideas, a system reboot might work, it's hard to know
[15:03] <stoned> Hello
[15:03] <stoned> Looking for a note taking text editor app that has dates. So I can take notes/journal etc. by date, go refer to it etc.
[15:03] <stoned> Like some sidebar of months/dates you can select and view the notes from that day
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yelowfish, x on the icon used to mean muted
[15:08] <yelowfish> cant unmute :(
[15:09] <BluesKaj> reboot
[15:14] <blackswan> i'm trying to figure out where exactly ssh-agent gets started in the graphical login process and i am now confused.
[15:16] <blackswan> i am using ubuntu mate, but it doesn't seem like this would be different from vanilla ubuntu
[15:17] <Xat`> hello guys
[15:17] <Xat`> why is crontab not loading function from .bashrc ?
[15:18] <Xat`> I get 'not a valid identifier' when using myfunction
[15:18] <blackswan> what gets run is "/usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/im-launch mate-session" but it is not clear to me at what point this is done, or what file to change to modify it
[15:20] <Xat`> obvisouly, the complete crontab command works well when running it from user shell
[15:20] <blackswan> Xat`: you will probably need to show somebody the function in the .bashrc or the entire .bashrc to get help; what exactly is producing the message "not a valid identifier", and when does it occur?
[15:20] <blackswan> oh.
[15:21] <Xat`> :)
[15:21] <blackswan> i misunderstood the question as it was having a problem when it loaded it, not that it wasn't loading it at all.
[15:21] <blackswan> that is a different problem.
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> Xat`: Crontab doesn't load environments, you have to provide it with complete paths, and local user functions will not work
[15:23] <blackswan> .bashrc is intended to contain things you only use when running an interactive shell
[15:23] <blackswan> as opposed to things you always use
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> Xat`: To make your idea work, you would need to create a bash script that contains the function you want to execute, along with the command to execute the function in the same bashscript file. Then you can schedule that with crontab
[15:25] <blackswan> for example, a shell script running from a cron job does not need to have your customized keyboard bindings and completion settings and whatever; so that stuff goes in .bashrc and only gets executed for interactive shells
[15:25] <Xat`> I used this in crontab : https://paste.ee/p/uc4QW
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> blackswan: where are you looking to find where ssh-agent loads?
[15:25] <blackswan> pragmaticenigma: when i use the graphical login on ubuntu mate (bionic)
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> Xat`: Two things, you have to provide fully qualified paths in crontab entries. And again, user defined function will not work, you have to create a self contained bash script to define and execute your function.
[15:27] <blackswan> i am trying to get something to happen at the time ssh-agent gets started.
[15:28] <blackswan> just after, actually
[15:28] <madkinszane> Hi all.  I'd like to have each script save a copy of itself with all of the environment variables templated in so that the command can be run again later without defining a bunch of env variables again. Is there a way to
[15:28] <madkinszane>  do this in bash?
[15:29] <Xat`> madkinszane: maybe a configuration manager like ansible, chef or puppet could help you
[15:30] <blackswan> 'env' will print the environment variables
[15:30] <BluesKaj> bbl...stuff to do
[15:31] <madkinszane> Yeah I've piped the output of `env` to a file but it errors when I try to source it.
[15:31] <Vixtron> blackswan: lol, I was looking for that command yesterday, nothing popped up on google how to find my var for $ZSH
[15:31] <madkinszane> Xat`: Yeah I probably ought to be using something like that in the long run. Hoping for a short term solution because I won't be launching ec2 instances like this in the long run.
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> madkinszane: Make a wrapper script that defines the variables, then executes the targeted script
[15:32] <blackswan> madkinszane: that's probably because it's just printing the values, and not inserting things to quote special characters
[15:33] <blackswan> i'm going to resort to running strace while i log in to find out what runs ssh-agent.
[15:34] <madkinszane> blackswan: I buy that. I don't know of a straightforward way to make `env` escape them all
[15:46] <Xat`> pragmaticenigma: I used function in crontab because only 1 specific user has those function. I don't want any other users to have it
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> Xat`: I will simplify... it won't work that way
[15:50] <Xat`> yeah yeah :)
[15:50] <Xat`> pragmaticenigma: does systemd timer should work ?
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> Xat`: No... trying to "hide" your function from other users effectively hides it from the system as well.
[16:58] <Sven_vB> my lightdm on xenial keeps launching Xfce instead of openbox for the autologin user. any ideas why?
[17:17] <msilveira> Hi! How do I extract initrd content from an ubuntu 14lts system? I've tried 'cpio -di', 'cpio -i -d -H newc --no-absolute-filenames' ( as of initramfs-tools man page ), but it only extracts a "kernel" folder
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> msilveira: are you paying for ESM please?
[17:19] <msilveira> lotuspsychje: No ( I've just googled to find out what ESM is )
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> msilveira: its becaue 14.04 has gone end of life, we cant officially support that anymore
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> msilveira: are you on desktop or server?
[17:20] <msilveira> I'm trying to update a GNS3 VM image to work over a SAN FC as baremetal.
[17:20] <msilveira> Ubuntu 14.04.6 LTS - Server
[17:21] <radu_m> Hello! I intend to start on application development for Ubuntu. Where can I find someone willing to explain to me the deployment mechanisms involved? Thanks!
[17:21] <tomreyn> msilveira: upgrade to at least 16.04 LTS, then seek support in #ubuntu-server
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> radu_m: are you interested in contributing for ubuntu?
[17:22] <msilveira> I've installed a fresh 14.06 over SAN, working fine. All I want is to know how to extract initrd, to compare the GNS3 content with the working one to make the changes :)
[17:22] <radu_m> lotuspsychje: I intend to develop some CLI utilities. They will be open source
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> radu_m: you want to propose your own packages to the ubuntu repos?
[17:23] <tomreyn> msilveira: this channel supports non EOL releases, so ubuntu 16.04 LTS and higher (see /topic )
[17:24] <tomreyn> !esm | msilveira
[17:24] <radu_m> No. I am actually looking for some information and resources. Maybe a recommendation for a good book on ubuntu development
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | radu_m sure
[17:24] <msilveira> Never mind, my guess is that unmkinitramfs is the short answer
[17:25] <radu_m> Thanks!
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> msilveira: look at it this way, an eol version of ubuntu is a security risk, do you still want to use it?
[17:26] <msilveira> lotuspsychje: It's not a production server, it's a LAB environment. Do you know about GNS3 ?
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> msilveira: sorry that would not be a topic for this channel
[17:28] <ioria> msilveira, it's in the repo; install it and read the man page
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> msilveira: How you clasify your installation doesn't matter here... If it isn't running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, 18.04 LTS, 19.04, it isn't supported here
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: They can't access the repo... they are running Ubuntu 14.04
[17:29] <kvarpis> hello
[17:29] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, probably they use old-release repository
[17:29] <kvarpis> any1 here that can help me?
[17:29] <kvarpis> I have an issue /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER kvarpis qphstfouplij
[17:29] <kvarpis> woops
[17:30] <tomreyn> kvarpis: now you have two issues
[17:30] <tomreyn> !register | kvarpis
[17:30] <kvarpis> yeah...
[17:30] <kvarpis> reee
[17:30] <kvarpis> I need help with /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER kvarpis qphstfouplij
[17:30] <kvarpis> noo
[17:30] <kvarpis> HERE
[17:30] <kvarpis> h/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 26: /etc/default/grub: want: not found
[17:30] <kvarpis> I need help making my grub work
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | kvarpis
[17:31] <kvarpis> Okay I need help figuring out why my GRUB cant update it gives me this message "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 26: /etc/default/grub: want: not found
[17:31] <kvarpis> "
[17:31] <tomreyn> kvarpis: which ubuntu version is this? what is the command you ran, what is the unabbreviated output? use a !pastebin
[17:31] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[17:32] <kvarpis> I think its 18.04
[17:32] <tomreyn> to make sure, you can use this command:   lsb_release -ds
[17:33] <kvarpis> hmm okay sorry I'm very new to linux
[17:33] <tomreyn> kvarpis: do you know what a temrinal (emulator) window is?
[17:33] <kvarpis> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[17:33] <kvarpis> here yeah I know that much
[17:34] <kvarpis> I've been installing some amd drivers through the terminal
[17:34] <tomreyn> kvarpis: what's the command(s) you ran?
[17:35] <kvarpis> I ran sudoedit /etc/default/grub
[17:35] <kvarpis> and amdpro install
[17:35] <msilveira> lotuspsychje: I'm just trying to explain that I'm sticking with the stable GNS3 release, ubuntu 14 LTS based. Soon v2.2 stable will be available - 18.04 LTS
[17:36] <msilveira> I've just used 18.04LTS unmkinitramfs, works fine with UNSUPPORTED initram image
[17:36] <kvarpis> But my main issue is that I'm trying to get my 8gpus to work with claymore but when I install the amd drivers it wont let me boot
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> msilveira: im sure you are, but from our perpective we have to follow the rules too, we cant support eol versions
[17:39] <kvarpis> but I suppose theres something wrong with line 26 Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[17:39] <kvarpis> woops
[17:39] <RoseBus> how can i configure "py" to open the python3 console?
[17:40] <kvarpis> this is my line 26 "# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to$"
[17:40] <msilveira> I know rules are for good, but that was a simple answer: "Try unmkinitramfs on a supported system". I don't know about ubuntu internals very much, but I'm no newbie. I'm from the slackware days back in 1997
[17:41] <kvarpis> should I maybe give up
[17:42] <tomreyn> kvarpis: sorry, i missed your response, feel free to mention my nickname when you respond.
[17:42] <kvarpis> Oh okay
[17:42] <tomreyn> kvarpis: so you are trying to use the proprietary driver overlay from amd?
[17:43] <tomreyn> kvarpis: are you aware that much of the driver is open source and well integrated into ubuntu?
[17:43] <kvarpis> tomreyn I am but I'm setting up a miner
[17:44] <tomreyn> kvarpis: i see. i assume you're aware this is not going to generate profit, right? just in case this will save you time.
[17:44] <kvarpis> tomreyn: I'm trying to set up a miner with linux, and the issue lies in line 26
[17:45] <kvarpis> tomreyn: I'm aware it's a personal project tbh
[17:45] <tomreyn> kvarpis: ok. so what'S the command which generates this error message, if you know?
[17:46] <kvarpis> sudo update-grub
[17:47] <tomreyn> kvarpis: please install pastebinit
[17:47] <tomreyn> !pastebinit
[17:47] <kvarpis> okay
[17:47] <kvarpis> !pastebinit
[17:48] <tomreyn> that's just a (rate limited) trigger to have ubottu tell you what it told you
[17:48] <kvarpis> hehe I understand I'm very new to all this x)
[17:49] <tomreyn> kvarpis: please run this and return the http address here:  sudo update-grub 2>&1 | pastebinit
[17:49] <vitimiti> Where can I get some help with snapcraft? (Trying to make a small snap and failing miserably)
[17:49] <tomreyn> !snap | vitimiti
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> msilveira: Then you should be well versed in understanding why there's limited support when you get too far behind. There are large differences between Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04, and even bigger difference going in to 18.04. The documentation volunteers rely on is only available for the supported versions already mentioned. Beyond that, you are relying on someone's memory and for something that is more than 4 years old at this
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> point, is going to be very hard to fact check.
[17:50] <tomreyn> vitimiti: there's also #snappy and #snapcraft
[17:50] <vitimiti> Thanks, that is what I needed
[17:50] <kvarpis> tomreyn: how am I supposed to use pastebinit I just downloaded it
[17:51] <kvarpis> but idk what I'm supposed to write to get what you might be looking for to help me
[17:51] <tomreyn> kvarpis: how did you download pastebinit?
[17:52] <kvarpis> apt get-install pastebinit
[17:52] <kvarpis> I guess
[17:52] <tomreyn> kvarpis: this would be the correct command to install it:   sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:52] <kvarpis> thats what I used when I scrolled up hehe
[17:52] <kvarpis> its dled
[17:52] <kvarpis> but what do I do now
[17:53] <tomreyn> kvarpis: good, downloaded and installed. then you can run the other command i provided:  sudo update-grub 2>&1 | pastebinit
[17:53] <tomreyn> this should return a http address, which you can then paste here
[17:53] <kvarpis> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/989ND7wwQZ/
[17:54] <tomreyn> kvarpis: okay now run this and return the url again:    pastebinit /etc/default/grub
[17:55] <kvarpis> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g8NJmzZwsz/
[17:55] <tomreyn> kvarpis: thanks. you probably followed some tutorial about setting all this up, can you post a link to it?
[17:55] <kvarpis> https://forum.zilliqa.com/t/guide-to-setting-up-6-amd-gpus-on-ubuntu-16-04/180
[17:56] <kvarpis> tomreyn: this is for 14.0 I know but I found the same commands for 18.04 so I just followed this 1
[17:58] <Mentol> is safe to use btrfs?
[17:59] <Mentol> os is better Ext4+LVM at today ?
[17:59] <tomreyn> kvarpis: while editing /etc/default/grub you accidentially removed a trailing backtick in line 9 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/g8NJmzZwsz/ - you need to re-add this.
[18:00] <kvarpis> tomreyn: you want me to just copy what you pasted there
[18:00] <kvarpis> ?
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> Mentol: That all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Typically there is better support and knowledge behind EXT based file systems.
[18:01] <kvarpis> tomreyn: I don't know what trailing backstick is never heard that hehe
[18:01] <kvarpis> backtick
[18:02] <tomreyn> kvarpis: not exactly. i'm telling you that when you edited /etc/default/grub you removed a character you (accidentially) should not have removed. this is a backtick: `
[18:02] <tomreyn> trailing means at the end, the end of the line in this case.
[18:03] <tomreyn> kvarpis: run    sudoedit /etc/default/grub    again
[18:03] <kvarpis> okay I'm inside here
[18:03] <kvarpis> wrote this on the end `
[18:03] <tomreyn> kvarpis: now go to the end of the line which says     GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian
[18:04] <tomreyn> kvarpis: and add this character there:    `
[18:04] <kvarpis> tomreyn: okay I added it ````
[18:04] <tomreyn> one only, right? then save this file.
[18:04] <tomreyn> and exit the editor
[18:04] <kvarpis> tomreyn: it worked thank you man
[18:05] <kvarpis> tomreyn: :) help was very appreciated its time to reboot I suppose
[18:05] <Vixtron> I installed xubuntu-desktop, can I tell the system now that it's xubuntu and not ubuntu?
[18:05] <Vixtron> Because I want the neofetch to show xubuntu lol
[18:05] <kvarpis> if the reboot works then I am almost done
[18:06] <tomreyn> kvarpis: it would be better to put the     amdgpu.vm_fragment_size=9      setting to the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Vixtron: All official Ubuntu flavors show Ubuntu in neofetch, regardless of desktop environment or actual flavor installed.
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Reason: They're all Ubuntu.
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> (not separate distributions)
[18:13] <_doxker_zero> @mrproper , let me know incase you get stuck, i might be able to help
[18:14] <Vixtron> Eickmeyer: changed lsb-release to Xubuntu
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> Vixtron: That's not the default, but ok. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:19] <vadique> why "Ubuntu Software" lies? It says "software is up to date" while apt-get update && aapt-get upgrade found "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 56 not upgraded."
[18:20] <vadique> and they are Get:20 http://mg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-updates/main amd64 libreoffice-draw amd64 1:6.2.5-0ubuntu0.
[18:20] <vadique> libreoffice is not tracked by "ubuntu software" application?
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> vadique: try "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[18:21] <sarnold> vadique: my guess is you're seeing "phased updates" -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[18:23] <Vixtron> exit
[18:23] <nacc> 56 not upgraded implies it might reuqire `full-upgrade`
[18:27] <vadique> okay, is it better than dist-upgrade?
[18:28] <tomreyn> it should be the same
[18:28] <nacc> they are the same
[18:29] <vadique> okay
[18:30] <mmercer> with preseed, when you specify a uid, does it automatically match the gid, or do you now wind up with mismatched uid/gid combinations ?
[18:39] <mmercer> nvm, ill just disable the user creation until the second phase xD
[18:40] <vadique> wow, dist-upgrade updates kernel: linux-headers-5.0.0-21 linux-headers-5.0.0-21-generic linux-image-5.0.0-21-generic linux-modules-5.0.0-21-generic linux-modules-extra-5.0.0-21-generic
[18:40] <nacc> vadique: what version of ubuntu and what kernel are you on now?
[18:40] <vadique> I'm on 19.04, and 5.0.0-20
[18:43] <vadique> are -20 and -21 some ubuntu patching?
[18:44] <nacc> vadique: they are effectively minor version bumps to the ubuntu kernel, so yes
[18:57] <jadax> hey, I have 2 machines with Ubuntu 16.04; one of them works fine with particular git command, another one complains about untrusted SSL certificate
[18:57] <jadax> is there some package responsible for certs that might be outdated?
[18:57] <jadax> how do I debug SSL certs issues?
[18:58] <sarnold> jadax: best is to pass the URL in questin to https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ and find out how the server was misconfigured :)
[18:59] <jadax> it's internal URL
[18:59] <jadax> unresolvable
[19:01] <sarnold> jadax: ah; then how did you get a certificate for that service? I'm guessing that's also internal..
[19:01] <jadax> that is very likely; I haven't obtained it - somebody else must have done it; I'm just debugging current issue
[19:02] <jadax> I compared /etc/ssl/certs directories on both machines
[19:02] <ioria> jadax,  try to pass GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true git  blah  to be sure the issue is ssl
[19:02] <jadax> one has 466 certs, another has 549 certs (the working one)
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> jadax: Likely someone installed the local cert to that working machine at one point
[19:05] <jadax> ioria when I pass GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true then all works
[19:05] <ioria> ok
[19:05] <jadax> is there some specific way to install certs? I could search in git history or dpkg?
[19:05] <jadax> sorry, bash history I meant
[19:06] <ioria> jadax,  gnutls is installed ?
[19:08] <jadax> I found how it's been done on the working machine in bash history
[19:08] <jadax> they downloaded 2 certs as zip files, extracted to /usr/local/share/ca-certrificates
[19:08] <tomreyn> man ca-certificates should explain
[19:08] <jadax> and then executed 'update-ca-certificates'
[19:08] <sarnold> jadax: take a look at update-ca-certificates(8)
[19:09] <jadax> thanks!
[19:20] <puff> Hi, odd question, I'm installing ubuntu desktop on a drone, but the USB keyboard and mouse aren't working after the reboot.  Is it possible to ssh into ubuntu desktop at that point, or does it need to install further stuff?  If it needs further stuff, is there a way to build an installer that automatically executes some commands after it finishes installing?
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> puff: what do you mean "drone" ?
[19:21] <puff> pragmaticenigma: An intel aero RTF drone.
[19:21] <puff> pragmaticenigma: Quadcopter.
[19:22] <sarnold> puff: did you have an interactive installer to get to that point?
[19:22] <puff> sarnold: I use the standard ubuntu desktop GUI installer, it gets to "restart", click the restart button (mouse and keyboard work fine at that point, also the keyboard works fine if I hit esc during boot and get into the BIOS menu) and after it restarts the mouse and keyboard don't work.
[19:23] <OerHeks> ubuntu on a drone .. interesting, did you look at ubuntu-core?
[19:24] <puff> OerHeks: I'm not sure what you mean.
[19:24] <puff> https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/wiki/90-(References)-OS-user-Installation
[19:25] <puff> The instructions there say to use ubuntu desktop.
[19:25] <sarnold> puff: cool; probably you can swap over to another virtual terminal with control+alt+f2 or similar, apt install openssh-server, and be able to ssh in after the reboot
[19:25] <puff> It's a pretty robust drone, it's meant for research, has a buff compute board.
[19:25] <puff> sarnold: Hm, I think I tried that but I'll try it again.
[19:26] <puff> While I'm at it, is there a way to pre-answer all the questions so it's a one-click install process?
[19:26] <kinghat> my cpu is being pegged at 100% at idle on a fresh install, udevadm monitor gives me a loop of this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e73fc9ae/
[19:27] <OerHeks> kinghat, errors on usb port 3-1 .. what device is that?
[19:27] <kinghat> i dont have anything plugged in
[19:28] <kinghat> was looking at this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/233247/why-is-systemd-udev-pegging-my-cpu
[19:28] <OerHeks> well, the error says so..
[19:29] <kinghat> sure but nothing is.
[19:29] <puff> Okay, so the answer to my initial question is that ubuntu desktop can't by default receive incoming ssh connections?
[19:29] <OerHeks> puff indeed, no ssh service installed/enabled by default
[19:30] <ioria> puff, ssh client is available, but not the server side
[19:31] <puff> Thanks.
[19:31] <sarnold> puff: there is a way to preanswer questions but it's pretty undocumented :/
[19:31] <puff> I'm reinstalling ubuntu on it now, so in the meantime, is it possible to build a custom installer?
[19:31] <puff> sarnold: Thanks.
[19:32] <sarnold> puff: this may help https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
[19:32] <sarnold> puff: but often the better answer is to use a cloud image and set up cloud-init
[19:32] <puff> sarnold: ?
[19:33] <puff> sarnold: It has no ethernet jack on it, have to boot from a USB thumb drive installer.
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: Please don't offer suggestions to unrelated topics
[19:34] <puff> The key point I'm looking for is some way to bundle some commands to either a) install openssh or b) fix the keyboard/mouse USB drivers (if I can figure out how to do that...).
[19:34] <puff> Though really I suspect openssh and then being able to get in and poke around is the best bet as far as fixing the keyboard and mouse.
[19:34] <ioria> puff, what version of ubuntu ? 16.04 ?
[19:35] <puff> ioria: At the moment 16.04.3
[19:36] <puff> ioria: That's what the docs at the github link say, and they specifically say don't use a later version.
[19:36] <puff> ioria: I'm tempted to try 18.04.2, I mean, in theory there shouldn't be any way that trying it can break the drone... but I'm a little paranoid at this point.
[19:37] <ioria> puff, i remember a severe issue with 16.04.x and usbhid and gnome-software; if that the case you can't do nothing; so i'd suggest the mini iso (if possible) or 18.04
[19:37] <puff> mini iso?
[19:37] <ioria> !mini | puff
[19:38] <ioria> puff, if you have a ps/2 keyboard you can arrange something
[19:39] <puff> ioria: The drone doesn't have a PS2 port.
[19:39] <ioria> puff,  so try 18.04
[19:40] <sarnold> puff: here we go -- this is what I was thinking as a mechanism to supply a cloud-init config to a cloud image install (without any networking) https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html  -- though I've only ever done this on qemu instances, as described on the page.. if you get upset at the debian preseed stuff, keep this in mind :)
[19:42] <puff> sarnold: Thank you.
[19:44] <puff> Yeah, ctl-alt-f2 doesn't work.
[19:44] <sarnold> damn
[19:44] <sarnold> that was going to be the easiest :)
[19:48] <puff> Yeah.
[19:54] <maxzor> How do you install dualboot on two ssds already? Have win10 on ssd2. If i take "install-next-to-win-boot-mgr" i cannot choose ssd1 :<
[19:55] <lordcirth> maxzor, I would guess you can't use the windows boot mgr option, then?
[19:56] <maxzor> lordcirth, right, never installed manually :< Can I just setup root and swap on ssd1 then? and will grub figure the win10 on ssd2?
[19:56] <lordcirth> grub's os-prober should find it, yeah
[19:57] <maxzor> can do that post install right, as installing with only ssd1
[19:57] <maxzor> and grub repair
[19:57] <maxzor> ?
[19:58] <maxzor> damn I need to learn gpu passthrough and virtualbox, sick of dual booting...
[19:58] <Sbur3> I did a "sudo apt-get upgrade", but keep getting a message telling me that three packages were held back and not upgraded.  Why is that and how to resolve that?
[19:59] <lordcirth> maxzor, You should be able to re-install grub afterwards, yeah
[19:59] <maxzor> Sbur3, several reasons, maybe gpg keys failed... maybe only a dependency issue, then 'apt --fix-broken install' will fix it
[20:00] <Sbur3> maxzor: Under sudo or not?
[20:00] <lordcirth> Sbur3, 'apt list --upgradable'
[20:00] <maxzor> Sbur3, apt needs root yes, so sudo
[20:01] <Sbur3> maxzor: The things are related to kernel
[20:02] <Sbur3> maxzor: apt fix broken didn't help
[20:02] <maxzor> Sbur3, then someone help will help, i am a kernel nob sadly
[20:02] <maxzor> else*
[20:03] <Sbur3> maxzor: Thx anyway for the help ... even though ... it involves headers-lowlatency, image-lowlatency and lowlatency
[20:04] <Sbur3> Bye. My wife's calling
[20:04] <Sbur3> bye
[21:39] <nzty> hello
[21:39] <nzty> ?
[21:39] <nzty> can anyone hear me?
[21:40] <Cheez> no
[21:40] <nzty> haha thanks
[21:40] <Cheez> (yes, we can) :)
[21:40] <nzty> I'm new to IRC
[21:40] <puff> Hm, so still working on that intel aero quadcopter thing.  I looked at a different aero and it had 16.04.5 installed on it, so I'm trying that.  However I'm getting SQUASHFS errors.
[21:41] <nzty> I need help installing a fork of an app on ubuntu. Is anyone interested?
[21:43] <guntbert> nzty: the best way to get help is to state your real problem
[21:45] <EoflaOE> !ask
[22:00] <puff> hm, okay, tried rebooting and this time I didn't get the squashfs errors but it's been at the first graphical screen ("ubuntu" over 5 dots slowly turning red, then white, then red) for ten minutes now.
[22:00] <puff> I ran the disk check from the grub menu, it says the disk is good.
[22:02] <puff> So now I'm at the grub menu, looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[22:02] <tomreyn> puff: how much ram does it have?
[22:03] <puff> tomreyn: specs say 4gb
[22:03] <nzty> I am trying to install a fork of pianobar that will download songs as they are played. script kiddie newb. plz help
[22:03] <nzty> you're right guntbert. my apologies
[22:03] <OerHeks> nzty, url?
[22:04] <tomreyn> puff: hmm that should be enough.
[22:04] <tomreyn> puff: personally i'd install using the alternative server installer on such devices.
[22:04] <puff> tomreyn: Hm, okay.
[22:04] <nzty> https://github.com/bmbove/pianobar-save
[22:04] <puff> tomreyn: I'll give that shot.
[22:05] <OerHeks> Latest commit  on Nov 18, 2015  ... is it that good, or abandonware?
[22:05] <puff> tomreyn: I did install it with the 16.04.3 LTS gui installer previously.  Although only once with that did I get the keyboard and mouse working properly.
[22:06] <nzty> oerheks, I don't know ... ?
[22:06] <puff> Hm, now I need to *find* the alternative install for 16.04.5
[22:07] <tomreyn> puff: oh actually i think it only became the alternative after 16.04 LTS. back in 16.04 it was the default.
[22:08] <tomreyn> puff: which architecture is this? amd64 if it's intel?
[22:08] <OerHeks> nzty, our repos give newer versions of the original pianobar https://launchpad.net/pianobar
[22:09] <puff> tomreyn: Yes, amd64
[22:11] <tomreyn> puff: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.6/ubuntu-16.04.6-server-amd64.iso
[22:11] <tomreyn> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.6/SHA1SUMS
[22:12] <tomreyn> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.6/
[22:13] <tomreyn> puff: i guess you don't actually need / want a graphical user interface, right?
[22:14] <nzty> OerHeks, so does that mean that this will most definitely not work?
[22:16] <nzty> OerHeks, I also tried to install a fork for pithos to download tracks as well to no avail. Can you link me a good tutorial for a beginner to understand these kinds of issues?
[22:17] <OerHeks> nzty, as it is so old, pre systemd, i would leave it
[22:17] <OerHeks> why not pianobar from the repos?
[22:17] <nzty> I downloaded pianobar, but it seems the fork is required to save tracks
[22:23] <puff> tomreyn: No, I've installed both debian and ubuntu from the text interface plenty of times in the past.
[22:25] <c0nker> Im having trouble getting OpenGL's libGL to work on my trash, +6 year old laptop, after I updated my Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS 's drivers to use the Nvidia blobs. I do have libGL.so files, but for whatever reason g++ cant link them. https://pastebin.com/jfKXXDZp
[22:25] <tomreyn> puff: so you know this works. but this time you wanted to try the graphical installation instead? which you had not tried before?
[22:27] <sarnold> puff: any luck?
[22:27] <MaroonedAnchor> Is there any consensus on how mature Ubuntu budgie is? I know its one of the newer DEs
[22:29] <tomreyn> sarnold: puff was seeing squashfs errors and a very slow boot, despite 4 GB RAM and the iso media test (grub option) not reporting errors. so i suggested trying the latest 16.04 amd64 server installer
[22:30] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh cripes :/
[22:30] <sarnold> tomreyn: good recommendation though :)
[22:31] <tomreyn> apparently d-i worked before so i hope so.
[22:32] <OerHeks> MaroonedAnchor, mature enough to be an ubuntu flavor
[22:32] <OerHeks> !flavors
[22:36] <puff> tomreyn: something weird (and annoying) is happening, it keeps dying at 811MB of 870MB.
[22:36] <tomreyn> puff: your download? or writing to cd-rom?
[22:38] <tomreyn> puff: i assume there's no cd-rom involved (if there were, it might not fit), i'm mostly saying this to point out that providing more context could help.
[22:38] <puff> tomreyn: The download.  I'm installing from a USB thumb drive.
[22:38] <puff> Trying bittorrent now.
[22:40] <tomreyn> puff: or pick a mirror server https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[22:42] <tomreyn> http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/ubuntu-iso/16.04.6/ubuntu-16.04.6-server-amd64.iso should be fast in much of the USA.
[22:44] <sarnold> can confirm pretty quick :)
[22:55] <c0nker> does anyone have an idea on what to do?
[22:56] <puff> tomreyn: Got it with bittorrent.
[22:56] <puff> tomreyn: In answer to your "so you know this works" question, I meant I'd installed the text interface version on *other* machines plenty of times in the past.
[22:57] <puff> tomreyn: The instructions for the intel aero say to use ubuntu 16.04.3 desktop, but that's not working, so.
[22:57] <sarnold> c0nker: what error are you getting?
[22:57] <sarnold> c0nker: btw, just in case you don't know, locate updates its database only every once in a while; it's useful but not perfect
[22:58] <puff> tomreyn, sarnold: So now I'm in text install, at the partitioning step.  Trying to choose which approach, the intel aero docs say to just select "use entire disk" with the GUI installer. Does tha tmap to "Guided - use entire disk" or "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM"?
[22:59] <c0nker> "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL"
[22:59] <sarnold> probably guided - use entire disk
[22:59] <puff> sarnold: Thanks.
[22:59] <sarnold> puff: (I also don't see a great reason to use lvm on a drone :)
[23:00] <sarnold> c0nker: hmm. maybe try 'sudo ldconfig' and then retry?
[23:00] <puff> tomreyn, sarnold: To be clear, I've installed the intel aero yocto build on this a bunch of times.  The first time I tried installing ubuntu 16.04.3 it gave me a weird error and the install sorta froze halfway through.  Second time it worked and everything worked okay except for the problem I was troubleshooting, which was the controller was unable to stay connected to the aero's wifi hotspot.
[23:01] <c0nker> im pretty sure ive run it already but ill try
[23:01] <puff> Then I found a loose cable which *seemed* to fix the wifi problem, so I installed back to the stock yocto... and the wifi problem came bakc.
[23:01] <tomreyn> oh okay, sorry got you wrong there  <puff> tomreyn: In answer to your "so you know this works" question, I meant I'd installed the text interface version on *other* machines plenty of times in the past.
[23:01] <c0nker> yeah, same answer. For whatever reason, g++ cant find -lGL
[23:02] <puff> That turned out to be iwlwifi repeatedly detecting a hardware error and requesting wifi hardware restart, btw.  On the yocto that is, because since then every time I've installed ubuntu I get to the end of the install, click the "reboot" button... and when it comes back up the USB mouse and keyboard aren't working.
[23:02] <puff> I find it a bit amusing that the partitioning step of the installer is offering to partition the USB drive that it's running from....
[23:03] <pragmaticenigma> puff: wait... what???
[23:03] <sarnold> c0nker: how about ldconfig -p | grep /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL  ?
[23:03] <puff> pragmaticenigma: I'm running the server install, I'm in the partion stage, I'm at the "Select disk to partition:" step, it lists the intel aero's drive and it lists the thumb drive that I put the server installer on.
[23:04] <puff> Neat, the aero's drive is listed as: MMC/SD card #1 (mmblk0) - 31.3 GB MMC BJNB4R
[23:04] <c0nker> https://pastebin.com/K8aPvEaJ , sarnold
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> puff: the way you phrased that made it sound like you installing to the same drive as the installer was hosted on. the partitioning tool simply lists all available devices for installing. as long as the device is writable it will be listed
[23:05] <puff> pragmaticenigma: It's offering to do so, I just found that kind of amusing.
[23:06] <sarnold> c0nker: alright.. my next debugging thought is to use strace to try to find out what it's doing
[23:07] <c0nker> i've never used strace before
[23:08] <tomreyn> puff: therE's one issue you may run to later, which is that i'm not sure the server installer will provide wireless support. you could work with an usb conected ethernet device or a mobile phone in tethering mode, though.
[23:08] <sarnold> c0nker: alright; try strace -o /tmp/output -f make    (replace 'make' by whatever command you're running, if it's not make)
[23:08] <c0nker> i was compiling with "g++ test.cpp -o firstOpenGlApp -lglut -lGLU -lGl"
[23:09] <tomreyn> puff: that is unless there's a separate installer module you can select for wireless support, you may need to connect such a device after booting into the installation.
[23:10] <tomreyn> puff: in case this approach fails, since this drone apparently contains an MMC read with an ad card, you could also see if you can remove this from the device to connect it to a different computer and install to the card there.
[23:11] <c0nker> https://pastebin.com/Jt0VSyQc sarnold
[23:13] <sarnold> c0nker: cool, let me look this over
[23:14] <sarnold> c0nker: hmm did you make a typo here? the error message in strace is "lGl" but the library on disk looks like libGL
[23:14] <sarnold> note lowercase l vs uppercase L
[23:17] <c0nker> -lGL and -lGl both give the same error
[23:17] <c0nker> I think I found it though
[23:17] <c0nker> "9690  stat("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGl.so", 0x7ffdbbf4b570) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)"
[23:17] <tomreyn>  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so should be present and be found, but it only looks for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGl.so for some reason
[23:18] <mdemo> anybody know if there's a mailing list archiver package that provides RSS feeds?
[23:18] <c0nker> locate gives "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1"
[23:18] <tomreyn> c0nker: yes, and there's a symlink without .1
[23:20] <c0nker> "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1" and "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.0.0"
[23:20] <c0nker> its all I find in /usr/lib etc
[23:20] <puff> tomreyn: server install finished, I can login via console.
[23:21] <c0nker> https://pastebin.com/b1Rc53HR
[23:21] <de-facto> which graphics driver are you using?
[23:21] <de-facto> intel/nvidia/amd?
[23:21] <c0nker> I have a laptop, hybrid Intel/Nvidia card
[23:22] <c0nker> I've just failed repeatedly, and finally installed the Nvidia blob
[23:22] <puff> tomreyn: We looked for a way to remove the SD card, looks not doable.
[23:22] <de-facto> hmm maybe related...
[23:22] <c0nker> definetly
[23:23] <puff> tomreyn, sarnold: So nmcli isn't there, network-manager isn't there...
[23:23] <sarnold> puff: hmm. that probably bodes poorly for iwconfig and wpa_supplicant too
[23:24] <c0nker> bhttps://pastebin.com/HNPYQATP
[23:24] <sarnold> puff: does keyboard work across a reboot though? if so you could pop nmcli and so on the memory card and install that way
[23:24] <puff> yup, no iwconfig, no wpa_supplicant.
[23:25] <puff> sarnold: The memory card appears to be non-removable.
[23:25] <puff> I wonder if I could put it on a thumb drive and mount the the thumb drive...
[23:25] <sarnold> puff: heh, yeah, I meant whatever device you used for the installer :)
[23:26] <puff> sarnold: aha.
[23:26] <sarnold> c0nker: could you paste the strace from running with -lGL ?
[23:26] <puff> Okay, that sounds worth a try.  I guess step one is finding the packages.
[23:27] <puff> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000023602/drones/development-drones.html
[23:27] <tomreyn> puff: so you'Re now in the situation where you'd need to attach a self-managed network device (tethering) or a NIC via usb, or install those packages by copying them from an attached storage, yes. :-/
[23:28] <sarnold> puff: if you've got a working 16.04 system of the right architecture up and running, apt-get download network-manager wireless-tools wpasupplicant  ... etc
[23:28] <puff> sarnold: ...if I had functional network.
[23:28] <puff> sarnold: Over which to download these things.
[23:28] <sarnold> puff: what's the machine you're using to torrent things?
[23:28] <tomreyn> ip / ipconfig should be there
[23:28] <puff> That PDF says Intel Atom x7-Z8750 processor, Wifi Intel AC8260
[23:28] <puff> sarnold: My laptop.
[23:29] <puff> tomreyn: ipconfig isn't, ifconfig is.
[23:29] <sarnold> puff: is it the same architecture as your intel atom? what operating system are you using on it?
[23:29] <puff> dhcleint is.
[23:29] <tomreyn> right, typo, sorry
[23:29] <puff> my laptop is a thinkpad t520 running ubuntu.
[23:29] <puff> So, not the same architecture.
[23:29] <c0nker> sarnold https://pastebin.com/ZdyYe5cr
[23:30] <puff> Assuming I don't have a USB wifi or USB ethernet adaptor, I guess good ol' sneakernet (thumb drive) is the answer.
[23:31] <sarnold> puff: hmm, intel's ark suggests that's an amd64: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/93362/intel-atom-x7-z8750-processor-2m-cache-up-to-2-56-ghz.html
[23:31] <sarnold> puff: that's probably the same as your thinkpad
[23:31] <puff> Cool.
[23:31] <sarnold> puff: what vresion of ubuntu are you runnining?
[23:31] <puff> The docs say to use the amd64 ubuntu desktop, so.
[23:31] <puff> sarnold: On the aero?  16.04.6
[23:31] <sarnold> puff: and what is on your laptop?
[23:31] <puff> sarnold: 16.04 :-)
[23:31] <sarnold> YAY
[23:32] <puff> sarnold: I really, really need to upgrade my laptop.  Guess it's a good thing I haven't.
[23:32] <sarnold> apt-get download networkmanager wpasupplicant wireless-tools   etc :D
[23:33] <Vixtron> Is it a good idea to change the /usr/lib/os-release to match Xubuntu's after installing xubuntu-desktop?
[23:33] <tomreyn> Vixtron: probably not
[23:33] <tomreyn> Vixtron: but you didn't seem to care much earlier ;)
[23:34] <Vixtron> What?
[23:34] <tomreyn> Vixtron: well you said earlier that you edited it to make neofetch say "Xubuntu"
[23:35] <Vixtron> Well it worked.
[23:35] <tomreyn> yes, but anything looking for exactly 'Ubuntu' there will now return a mismatch
[23:36] <Vixtron> Well, I'll see how that goes
[23:37] <Vixtron> If I notice anything I'll install proper xubuntu
[23:37] <tomreyn> i don't really know whether it creates a problem. but it's one of those things i wouldn't personally edit
[23:37] <Vixtron> Some people see it as the end of the world.
[23:37] <tomreyn> if it was in /etc/ this would suggest it'd be ok to edit it
[23:38] <puff> sarnold: Okay, they're downloaded.
[23:38] <sarnold> puff: cool... check apt-cache show output for all those packages, and download any dependencies that the drone doesn't hav eyet
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> Vixtron: It's not a great idea to make changes in /usr/lib or /usr/bin as the applications installed via the Package manager may look for resources there, and when they are not found, they fail to install or update
[23:40] <puff> sarnold: working.
[23:40] <Vixtron> Doesn't apt automatically look for all possible variants that are ubuntu flavors?
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> Vixtron: That's not what I was saying
[23:41] <puff> good god that's a lot of dependencies...
[23:42] <bogn> Hello all, I want to upgrade from 18.04 LTS to 19.04 eventually. Normally this would happen in two steps. First 18.04 to 18.10, then 18.10 to 19.04. But do-release-upgrade now gives me 19.04 directly because 18.10 got EOLed recently. Is it safe to update now?
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> bogn: If you have backed up your data, then yes, it is safe to upgrade
[23:43] <OerHeks> bogn, sure, prepare an 19.04 usb before upgrading, and if you have no backup of your data, it is not importent :-D
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> Vixtron: the reason it is frowned upon to change those values, is they are considered low risk from a user making changes in there. Another application may seek out a value from those files, and when they don't match, the application may refuse to run. That's why tomreyn mentioned if you were changing the value in /etc it wouldn't be an issue. the folder try /usr holds a lot of items that really shouldn't be tinkered with as it
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> may cause system instability.
[23:45] <puff> sarnold: Hm, that's about 37 packages to manually retype on the aero's console to check, I'm kind inclined to just download them all and stick them on the thmb drive.
[23:45] <sarnold> c0nker: well this is insanely confusing. around line 3843 you can see the linker looking for libglut; 3895 libGLU; 3945 libGL ...
[23:45] <sarnold> puff: download them all is perfectly fine answer
[23:46] <sarnold> c0nker: line 3965 it looks for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so and returns ENOENT
[23:46] <c0nker> yes, thats because there is no libGL.so
[23:46] <sarnold> sigh
[23:46] <Vixtron> Thanks, I'll revert it back
[23:47] <c0nker> sorry, I dont understand
[23:47] <sarnold> c0nker: you're right, I've just been going cross-eyed hehe
[23:48] <sarnold> c0nker: where things got funny is the paths that start with // ... those are *weird*. and for some reason this library gets those paths, but the other sdidn't...
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> Vixtron: Even my installation of Kubuntu has Ubuntu listed there ;-) It's all Ubuntu underneath, the rest is just appearances
[23:50] <sarnold> c0nker: so... I wonder .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hkkpczpvjR/
[23:50] <sarnold> c0nker: which packages provide which of those files on your system?
[23:51] <bogn> Hmm, sort of helpful in my situation, but thanks anyway pragmaticenigma and OerHeks
[23:51] <bogn> I will simply have to be keen I guess
[23:51] <c0nker> have to install that one, one sec
[23:52] <bogn> at least it's not clear disaster waiting to strike
[23:52] <bogn> chances might be above 50% ;-)
[23:53] <tomreyn> puff: fwiw, i just tried the 16.04.6 amd64 server installer (the one you used) in advanced mode on a VM to see whether i could choose to install the wireless support packages form the menu somehow, but they don't seem to come with it, so your approach seems to be the best one available in this situation. :-/
[23:54] <puff> tomreyn: Good to know I'm sane.
[23:55] <tomreyn> :)
[23:55] <puff> Hm, there's gobs of empty space on the thumb drive I have the ubuntu installer on, but when I try to copy stuff over there it says "Read-only file system"
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> puff: just a heads up ... you did notice the part in the instructions: Note: do not try a more recent version of Ubuntu.
[23:55] <c0nker> oh god damnit im out of space
[23:55] <puff> pragmaticenigma: Yes, I did.
[23:56] <puff> pragmaticenigma: I mentioned that exact line previously.
[23:56] <tomreyn> unfortunately the author of this document didn't care to mention why
[23:56] <puff> pragmaticenigma: But 16.04.3 is proving problematic, and it looks like it's most likely a driver issue, and I know that 16.04.5 works on these aeros, so I'm trying it.
[23:57] <puff> I think it's because intel "certified" 16.04.3 to work on the hardware, whatever that means.
[23:57] <puff> c0nker: I know the feelnig.
[23:57] <pragmaticenigma> puff: did you see this? https://github.com/intel-aero/meta-intel-aero/issues/363
[23:58] <puff> pragmaticenigma: no, that didn't come up in my previous searches, thank you. Hm.
[23:59] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't search... I found that by goign to the git hub project page and clicking on issues and reading through the subjects ;-0


[05:08] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:14] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:14] <superfly> I just watched Tara-Lyn's performance... wow
[05:15] <Kilos> she is good hey
[05:16] <superfly> yeah, very
[05:25] <Kilos> had a few probs with natty while watching the video. sometimes the video disappears and just audio comes through
[05:26] <Kilos> dunno if it is more resourse hungry than maverick
[05:28] <Kilos> and cant switch workspaces while movies are playing or it loses half of the window
[05:31] <superfly> Kilos: movies are very resource hungry
[05:31] <Kilos> worked perfect on maverick. maybe i need to fix something?
[05:32] <Kilos> i even lose bits of the panels
[05:35] <superfly> Kilos: make sure natty is not trying to do desktop effects
[05:37] <Kilos> i look for that
[05:39] <Kilos> must i disable compiz?
[05:39] <superfly> yes
[05:39] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[05:42] <superfly> although I'd imagine that if you're using the "classic" desktop, that compiz is turned off
[05:43] <Kilos> i see in someones post that you need to go classic no effects
[05:43] <Kilos> i try to find that
[05:54] <Kilos> i installed the fusion icon and will try. it gives you the option of using metecity instead of compiz
[05:55] <Kilos> maybe this was langjans problem as well
[05:56] <nuvolari> mornings
[05:56] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[05:56] <Kilos> dankie weer
[05:56] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos
[05:56] <nuvolari> plesier oom :>
[05:56] <Kilos> my kind kan sing ne
[05:57] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, my naam het net 1 'n'  :P
[05:57] <nuvolari> sy kan definitief oom!
[05:57] <nuvolari> ek sê mos ek het hoendervleis gekry
[05:57] <nuvolari> elke keer wat ek gekyk het :P
[05:57] <Kilos> wat praat jy nou van 1 n
[05:58] <Kilos> oh my
[05:58] <Kilos> skuus man
[05:58] <nuvolari> in oom se blog :P
[05:58] <Kilos> jy't klaar gaan blog kyk
[05:58] <Kilos> lol
[05:58] <Kilos> sal herstel. was half aan die slaap
[06:01] <Kilos> ek moes dit klaar verander. tara het gevra ek moet die visa stuk uitlos. sy bang die yanks word hardekwas
[06:06] <nuvolari> lol
[06:06] <nuvolari> wel, ek't dit in google reader gekry
[06:06] <nuvolari> so ek moes dit lees
[06:06] <Kilos> lol
[06:07] <Kilos> ek het dit nou uit maar ons sal sien
[06:15] <Kilos> lo maiatoday
[06:16] <Kilos> still get audio only on full screen vids. in vlc and mplayer
[06:17] <Kilos> with small window open they show the video as well
[06:21] <superfly> Kilos: yeah, you have to be careful with them americans
[06:27] <Kilos> grrrr power cut again
[06:29] <Kilos> natty's network-manageris much more efficient. dont even get halfway with opening iftop and its connected
[06:41] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:46] <superfly> hi maiatoday
[08:12] <sakhi> Morning
[08:15] <superfly> hi sakhi
[09:03] <Kilos> hmmm
[09:04] <Kilos> he crashed so quick
[09:11] <superfly> Symmetria: where are you? your server is broken!
[09:29] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[09:29] <superfly> how gaan dit?
[09:30] <superfly> *hoe
[09:30] <superfly> Anyone else upgraded to oneiric yet?
[09:34] <JabberwockyA19> I'm running oneiric right now
[09:35] <superfly> JabberwockyA19: Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[09:47] <JabberwockyA19> kubuntu
[09:47] <superfly> JabberwockyA19: dealt at all with kmail2 ?
[09:47] <octoquad> Hi everyone!
[09:47] <superfly> hi octoquad
[09:48] <JabberwockyA19> no have not touched it yet
[09:48] <octoquad> hey superfly :)
[09:48] <JabberwockyA19> hi octoquad
[09:48] <octoquad> Hi JabberwockyA19
[09:50] <octoquad> Is it possible to run a 64 bit version of a live cd in virtualbox? I've tried with other distros before and it just doesn't happen? Does anyone know if it is possible (I'm sure it is!)
[09:53] <superfly> octoquad: well, I _installed_ the 64bit version of Kubuntu into VirtualBox the other day from the desktop CD, so I would presume so. but I think you can only run 64-bit guests if your host is 64-bit
[09:53] <octoquad> yeah, I have a 64bit OS.
[09:53] <octoquad> ok let me have a bash anyway
[09:54] <octoquad> keen to try Oneiric Ocelot Beta 1, it's loooking good!
[09:54] <superfly> octoquad: worked for me, so I presume it'll work for you
[09:54] <octoquad> sweet, thanks superfly
[09:55] <octoquad> is anybody from durban, it's dead down here. lol
[09:55] <octoquad> no LUGS or anything
[09:57] <superfly> octoquad: there are a couple of guys from that area
[09:58] <superfly> octoquad: isn't LEAD still minimally active?
[09:58] <superfly> nuvolari: ping ^^
[09:59] <nuvolari> ooh, recruits!
[09:59] <nuvolari> lo octoquad
[09:59]  * nuvolari looks for the link
[10:00] <octoquad> No, I contacted the organiser and it's been dead for a while. I actually wanted to take down the entry on linux.org but they ended up having DNS issues for months. I see they have a new page up.
[10:00] <octoquad> hey nuvolari :)
[10:01] <nuvolari> Maaz: dbn.lug.link is https://groups.google.com/group/dbnlug/about
[10:01] <Maaz> nuvolari: Got it
[10:01] <nuvolari> octoquad: ^^
[10:02] <octoquad> cool, thank nuvolari, signing up now
[10:05] <octoquad> Ok request is pending! BBL
[10:07] <nuvolari> it's request-based?
[10:07] <nuvolari> meh
[10:07] <nuvolari> powerfreaks
[10:08] <nuvolari> lunch
[10:08] <nuvolari> bbl
[10:14] <JabberwockyA19> octoquad: I also had an issue trying to test 64bit on virtualbox
[10:14] <JabberwockyA19> even though my host os was 64bit, I even tried downloading the lastest version from thier website. it did not help
[12:36] <marcog> tumbleweed: do you know daniel holbach?
[13:43] <Kilos> w00t
[13:44] <Kilos> just woke up and realised that the missing operand is miles:miles
[13:44] <Kilos> what a twit
[13:45] <Kilos> hi scar[w] you running an old pc hey
[13:51] <scar[w]> hi Kilos, just a small hdd
[13:51] <Kilos> oh not ram and low ram graphics card
[13:51] <scar[w]> 2.8 dual core, 4gb ddr3, geforce 9500
[13:51] <Kilos> ok ty
[13:52] <Kilos> oh my that sounds great
[13:52] <scar[w]> not the best out there, but not the worst either ;)
[13:52] <Kilos> thats wonderful for ubuntu
[13:55] <Kilos> and you still got uncapped
[13:55] <scar[w]> I play heroes of newerth on 1920 x 1200 it runs at a very high frame rate
[13:56] <scar[w]> yeah I still have uncapped till the end of the month
[13:56] <Kilos> wanna go see my baby sing?
[14:01] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[14:01] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:15] <Kilos> hmm him be a lurker only
[14:29] <scar[w]> trolololol
[14:29] <Kilos> what
[14:39] <tumbleweed> marcog: yes
[14:39] <marcog> tumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/kGw8bq8f
[14:40] <marcog> i get the feeling i haven't contributed enough for this to make sense to do
[14:40] <tumbleweed> he's german, and works for canonical, responsible for the ubuntu developer community
[14:41] <tumbleweed> hrm, I'll come and chat
[14:43] <highvoltage> cool.
[17:23] <Kilos> evening everyone
[17:25]  * Kilos waves to ahab land
[17:28] <Kilos> yay 13° and 31° here tomorrow. maybe all the hibernators come outa hiding again and our numbers can swell
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:29]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[17:30] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[17:30] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:30] <tumbleweed> w00t, got UDS sponsorship
[17:30] <Kilos> lo superfly hows things
[17:31] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed  who is UDS
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: OK thanks... just feel like it should be Friday today
[17:31] <Symmetria> mmmm
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <Symmetria> if anyone wants good seafood
[17:31] <tumbleweed> Kilos: ubuntu developer summit
[17:31] <superfly> ah, there you are Symmetria
[17:31] <Symmetria> there is a place called baia at the waterfront in capetown
[17:31] <Kilos> ah ty
[17:31] <Symmetria> that makes the most amazing food
[17:31] <Symmetria> its got an amazing price tag on it, but its so worth it
[17:32] <Symmetria> superfly you were looking for me?
[17:32] <Kilos> eat some crayfish for me please
[17:32] <superfly> Symmetria: I'm getting 403: Forbidden with Oneiric's repositories on za.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:32] <Symmetria> *HRM*
[17:32] <Symmetria> hold
[17:32] <superfly> Symmetria: well, with some of the packages on there, that is
[17:32] <Symmetria> rerunning sync now
[17:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:33] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:40] <nlsthzn> Hey Uncle Kilos ... saw your blog entry, congrats on her doing so well... sorry she won't be making the states this year...
[17:41] <Kilos> ty so much. she moaned at me about that . if you notice i changed the blog later
[17:41] <Kilos> the news of whats happened is not alowed to leak out till it has been on air
[17:43] <Kilos> all well there nlsthzn
[17:43] <Kilos> ?
[17:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos: haha... oops...
[17:47] <nlsthzn> Yup... all well here... thanks
[17:47] <Kilos> lol; yeah
[17:50] <Symmetria> superfly
[17:50] <Symmetria> should be fixed now
[17:50] <Symmetria> sync source on se. was broke
[17:50] <Symmetria> synched from gb and I saw it fix stuff related to that
[19:12] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:12] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:18] <inetpro> tumbleweed: nice! How did you get that arranged?
[19:19] <tumbleweed> inetpro: by applying for it http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/
[19:19] <inetpro> tumbleweed: cool, congrats
[19:20] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: going to make it to UDS-P?
[19:20] <tumbleweed> inetpro: thanks, it's a sign that I'm still spending too much time on Ubuntu :)
[19:21] <inetpro> hehe, that should not be a bad sign
[19:22] <inetpro> tumbleweed: when is it happening?
[19:22] <tumbleweed> inetpro: early november, orlando, florida
[19:23] <inetpro> nice
[19:23] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you should make arrangements to go visit Disney World
[19:24] <inetpro> and you have to go to the Kennedy Space Centre
[19:24] <tumbleweed> heh
[19:24] <inetpro> serious, it is worth it!
[19:25]  * inetpro was there in 1993
[19:25]  * tumbleweed doesn't know if he should really be taking another 2 weeks off this year...
[19:26] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you can't let the opportunity go by like that
[19:26] <tumbleweed> I know, but I've already done 2 this year (and made zero thesis progress) but yes, I'll probably go
[19:26] <inetpro> ahh, now that sounds more positive :-)
[19:27]  * tumbleweed knows how the supervisor and parents will react, thogugh...
[19:27] <inetpro> hehe, they will be green with envy
[19:28] <tumbleweed> naah, pissed off that I'm not doing work
[19:28] <inetpro> define work
[19:28] <tumbleweed> finishing a degree
[19:29] <inetpro> haha, there's enough time to do that
[19:29] <inetpro> and I'm sure you'll even fit it in somewhere
[19:29] <tumbleweed> yeah, if I work on it. I seem to have difficulty working on it
[19:30] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what degree is it?
[19:30] <tumbleweed> MSc in CS, which I'm in the third year of. It kind of stalled after about 6 months...
[19:31] <inetpro> hmm... just keep thing rolling
[19:31] <inetpro> things*
[19:32] <inetpro> like the scoreboard in a cricket match
[19:32] <inetpro> even if a bit slower for now
[19:33]  * inetpro should also start some studies for a change
[19:43] <inetpro> tumbleweed: but I'm sure with your growing stature in the ubuntu community you won't even need a degree
[19:44]  * tumbleweed doesn't think I needed it in the first place, but it seemed like something I'd enjoy doing, and now was the time to do it
[22:00] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: yep, and you?
[22:00] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ah, read scrollback. great :)
[22:05] <tumbleweed> heh
[22:07] <highvoltage> I'll be flying from bangor so orlando will be really close, at least.


[09:44] <lordievader> In the past udev didn't use a bios relative naming scheme.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[17:11] <nicomachus> the day has come!: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14030245/
[19:54] <CryptoSiD> hiii, how can i fix this: W: Failed to fetch http://swupdate.openvpn.net/apt/dists/trusty/Release No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/swupdate.openvpn.net_apt_dists_trusty_Release, which is considered strong enough for security purposes
[19:54] <CryptoSiD> i cant find any good info on google, maybe im noob
[19:54] <nicomachus> CryptoSiD: they don't have a xenial release yet because xenial isn't released yet...
[19:55] <CryptoSiD> i know but trusty release was working fine for a while on xenial
[19:55] <CryptoSiD> started having problem last week
[19:55] <nicomachus> that's the hazard of using an experimental build: not all of your software is going to work.
[19:55] <nicomachus> well, xenail of this week != xenial of last week
[19:55] <CryptoSiD> well there is no hash on the release file, i found a way to disable the hash check on apt yesterday but i cant find it back
[20:18] <retrojeff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/1526267/comments/6
[20:18] <retrojeff> this bug is mission critical
[20:18] <retrojeff> cant update packages unless this is fixed
[20:27] <retrojeff> who maintains apt-xapian-index
[20:29] <nicomachus> retrojeff: https://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/apt-xapian-index.git
[20:29] <nicomachus> owner	Enrico Zini
[20:29] <retrojeff> so its more a debian problem
[20:29] <nicomachus> also see: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/apt-xapian-index
[20:30] <nicomachus> for bug reports.
[20:46] <retrojeff> this bug is downstream
[20:46] <retrojeff> I dont see anything in git that would cause this bug
[20:47] <retrojeff> oh it said right in the bug title that its softwarecenter
[20:47] <retrojeff> hold on while I smash my keyboard on my face
[20:54] <retrojeff> possible fix
[20:54] <retrojeff> apt-get install --reinstall software-center
[20:55] <retrojeff> nope
[20:59] <nicomachus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[20:59] <nicomachus> we haven't seen this yet, but it's coming.
[21:22] <retrojeff> ok
[21:22] <retrojeff> so I can ignore these warnings in the mean time


[01:05] <CarlFK> this no longer works on natty:  d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda   d-i partman-auto/method string regular
[02:18] <CarlFK1> alt installer, Is this what walks the % bar across the screen: Dec  9 01:34:49 debconf: --> PROGRESS STEP 1
[11:35] <cjwatson> ev: could you sort out bug 686737, please?
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686737 in ubiquity (and 2 other projects) "Untranslatable string: Passwords do not match (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686737
[11:39] <cjwatson> ev: oh, and similarly bug 654491
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654491 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Untranslatable "Confirm your password:" label (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654491
[11:44] <davmor2> cjwatson, ev: did you guys get my note re the install language yesterday?
[11:46] <ev> davmor2: yes, but I'm a bit all over the place today
[11:47] <ev> I'll endeavor to get to it tomorrow
[11:47] <davmor2> ev: No problems I was just double checking as I logged off not log after
[11:48] <davmor2> long even
[11:48] <ev> ah, thanks for following up
[12:09] <cjwatson> ev: have tentatively assigned those to you.  (I only care because they're marked as oem-priority bugs)
[12:09] <ev> okay
[12:09] <ev> straightforward enough
[12:09] <ev> on it nowish
[12:15] <CIA-88> ubiquity: evand * r4451 trunk/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.templates): Add debconf template for password confirmation (LP: #654491).
[12:20] <cjwatson> thanks
[12:23] <CIA-88> ubiquity: evand * r4452 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Translate the 'passwords do not match' string (LP: #686737).
[12:32] <tjaalton> what device should grub-installer use when installing lucid on a softraid mirror?
[12:34] <cjwatson> I don't unambiguously know what softraid means.  Do you mean mdadm or dmraid?
[12:34] <tjaalton> because it's using /dev/sda and fails, but I can't figure out which one to use for a manual run
[12:34] <tjaalton> mdadm AIUI
[12:34] <tjaalton> there are three partitions that are mirrored, and those are /dev/md{0,1,2}
[12:34] <cjwatson> you should normally install GRUB to all the disks containing the array
[12:35] <cjwatson> e.g. /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[12:35] <tjaalton> the dialog shows that, but the logs say that it only tried /dev/sda AFAICS
[12:35] <tjaalton> though I don't have a proper log right now, bleh
[12:36] <tjaalton> but it failed nevertheless
[12:36] <tjaalton> they are 2TB disks, does size matter ?-)
[12:36] <CIA-88> grub-installer: cjwatson * r878 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.57ubuntu2
[12:36] <cjwatson> I'd rather analyse a log than speculate ...
[12:36] <tjaalton> right
[12:37] <tjaalton> I have the installation ready, so I could chroot and run grub-installer, right?
[12:37] <tjaalton> running from another disk atm
[12:39] <cjwatson> you can't run grub-installer manually.  you can run grub-install manually if you make sure /dev /proc /sys are bind-mounted
[12:41] <tjaalton> yeah, I'll give it a go
[12:49] <tjaalton> root@fermaatti:/# LANG=C grub-install --no-floppy --force /dev/sdb
[12:49] <tjaalton> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!.
[12:49] <tjaalton> that's how it fails
[12:50] <cjwatson> exactly 2TB or >2TB?
[12:50] <cjwatson> and are you preseeding the partitioner?
[12:50] <tjaalton> exactly, and no preseeding
[12:51] <tjaalton> I did it like instructed on https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[12:51] <tjaalton> manually
[12:51] <cjwatson> you'll need to create BIOS Boot Partitions then
[12:51] <tjaalton> ok
[12:51] <cjwatson> or use expert mode to work around the slight boundary-case bug that it uses GPT for >=2TB rather than for >2TB
[12:52] <tjaalton> the partitioner did leave some empty space there iirc
[12:52] <cjwatson> you need an actual partition on GPT, not just empty space
[12:52] <cjwatson> the partitioner calls it "Reserved BIOS boot area"
[12:52] <tjaalton> ah, alright
[12:53] <tjaalton> I found some bugs that are related, will have a look at them
[12:59] <tjaalton> btw, why does that help page suggest running "grub-install /dev/md*" after replacing a faulty drive? it complains that installing to a partition is a bad idea..
[13:01] <cjwatson> error I think
[13:01] <tjaalton> btw, i used the alternate installer so it's already "expert mode", and it shouldn't have used GPT in the first place?
[13:01] <cjwatson> the alternate installer is not already expert mode.
[13:01] <tjaalton> ok
[13:01] <cjwatson> it arguably shouldn't have used GPT although it's a bit of a toss-up - people are going to have to get used to GPT soon enough anyway
[13:02] <cjwatson> so I'm not all that worried about the exact boundary case
[13:03] <tjaalton> right
[13:03] <tjaalton> just the documentation needs a refresh ;)
[14:54] <CIA-88> tasksel: cjwatson * r1453 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[14:54] <CIA-88> tasksel: Update Ubuntu tasks from seeds, adding kubuntu-full task and changing
[14:54] <CIA-88> tasksel: server's Key from ubuntu-serverguide to screen (LP: #672755).
[14:56] <CIA-88> tasksel: cjwatson * r1454 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.87ubuntu2
[18:33] <CIA-88> console-setup: cjwatson * r157 ubuntu/ (73 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.57
[23:44] <CIA-88> ubiquity: superm1 * r4453 ubiquity/scripts/plugininstall.py: cover copying GRUB translations for oem-config mode that don't include a '_' in the name


[00:35] <Bashing-om> And UWN542 here we come :P
[00:40] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Thanks for all the (last-minute) work too! :P
[00:47] <Bashing-om> :) .. If I had of done it right to start with ... wud not be any last minute work to be done :P
[00:48] <krytarik> Well, I'm more referring to today rather than yesterday already on the wiki page. :P
[01:19] <krytarik> That's not to say that I'm not generally fine with doing it like this too though - just seems a little much at once. :P
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