[00:05] <nickNolte> apt search and regexes... how can i find stdlibc++6? stdlibc\+\+6 not showing anything either...
[00:06] <Rhapsody> How do I go about changing the font used in GNOME? I've used GNOME Tweaks to change the font in applications and such, but that doesn't change it in GNOME. So I've followed the guide here; https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-the-fonts-in-gnome3/
[00:07] <Rhapsody> Apparently doing that is supposed to change the font used in GNOME, I'm using the clock in the top middle as an indicator. There's no change, even if I change the font size.
[00:08] <Rhapsody> Hm, I see, that's for the default theme... Needs to be for the theme I'm using.
[00:42] <cyborgjedi> hi guys
[00:53] <Rhapsody> So I'm looking to do some gaming on Ubuntu. I have an AMD 390X GPU. I'm wondering where I need to install graphics drivers or whether Ubuntu already handled it for me? Additionally, in the situation that I *do* need to install drivers from AMD, do I use the regular or pro variant? I'm a bit confused here.
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: Yes both ways :) That card also supports the proprietary overlay. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2404547 to get some hints .
[01:02] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: It's mostly a matter of which is more ideal for performance
[01:02] <Rhapsody> I'll check out that link though, thanks
[01:05] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: At this point you should hve the AMDgpu driver ... now on top of that one "MAY" install amdgpu-pro on supportd GCN cards .
[01:05] <Rhapsody> Any way to confirm that?
[01:17] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: kinda old but should suffice: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[01:20] <businessaccount> how to specify a specific kernel modul to be loaded at boot
[01:26] <Bashing-om> businessaccount: Choose an alternate kernel from the grub boot menu's "advanced" options.
[01:26] <businessaccount> according to the online support the qcserial driver needs the usb identifier compiled into the module from the linux source code, but if that is so why do some posts claim to have had it working without mention of conmpiling kernel code
[01:27] <businessaccount> Bashing-om: does adding it to /etc/modules not work anymore?
[01:29] <Bashing-om> businessaccount: Sorry, never known of such a thing as adding a module to boot a kernel .
[01:30] <businessaccount> ok
[01:30] <businessaccount> the module is to be loaded at boot
[01:31] <businessaccount> though according to documentation it needs to be recompiled from source after adding a usb identifier into the sourcecode
[01:31] <businessaccount> it looks to me this is how android phones work
[01:31] <businessaccount> same deal
[01:32] <businessaccount> qualcomm serial
[01:32] <businessaccount> which somewhat explains why android lacks many real features of a mobile telephone network
[01:33] <swift110> hey all
[01:35] <businessaccount> hi swift110
[01:36] <swift110> how are you bucketm0use
[01:36] <swift110> how are you businessaccount
[01:36] <businessaccount> arm cpu has about just enough power to rendur animatind call them apps
[01:38] <businessaccount> most of it is app glu
[01:38] <businessaccount> webpages downgraded to show on a phone
[01:39] <businessaccount> swift110: vanguard is trading high
[01:41] <cryptodan_mobile> Web pages arent downgraded to work on mobiles they are designed so they can work on smaller then normal desktop screens
[01:45] <businessaccount> swift110: did they poot a little extra boost in your coffee
[01:46] <swift110> oh goodness cryptodan_mobile is here
[01:46] <cryptodan_mobile> Hi
[01:48] <swift110> how are you CrypticS_
[01:48] <swift110> how are you cryptodan_mobile
[01:49] <cryptodan_mobile> Great
[01:49] <Roden1> any way to increas max valume on unbunt?
[01:49] <businessaccount> does ubuntu 16 xenial have the kernel headers ready to rebuild a kenel module against the generic kernel
[01:49] <Roden1> increase max vol. on Ubuntu?
[01:49] <swift110> good to hear cryptodan_mobile I am looking for a new job
[01:49] <businessaccount> or is it 18 xenial
[01:49] <businessaccount> ubuntu xenial
[01:50] <cryptodan_mobile> 18 is bionic
[01:51] <cryptodan_mobile> And you can check for headers in synaptic
[01:51] <cryptodan_mobile> Good luck swift110
[01:54] <Roden1> anyone know hotkey to show the desktop?
[01:55] <swift110> thanks cryptodan_mobile
[02:07] <businessaccount> the qcserial module requires an USB ID in the module for it to work
[02:07] <businessaccount> though of 84 people using it around the time of maverick I don't see any questions about compiling the module
[02:07] <businessaccount> funny
[02:08] <businessaccount> anyhow it is not listed by lsusb
[02:09] <businessaccount> apparently HP had a specific tailored ubuntu for it's machines which is nowhwere to be found
[02:11] <businessaccount> there is mention of the tailored ubuntu with the qcserial built for HP netbooks but the image is nowhere found
[02:18] <businessaccount> hey does utopic unicorn 3.16 coincide with the kernel version of the oldest debian stable 3.16
[02:18] <businessaccount> it looks like mini.iso can backport to utopic
[02:19] <businessaccount> does that give a kernel code compatibility out into debian if I use it
[02:20] <bray90820> Can ubuntu live hot swam sata cd drives?
[02:20] <bray90820> Swap
[02:22] <businessaccount> bray90820: if the hardware supports it
[02:22] <businessaccount> that is most likely a function of the bios
[02:22] <bray90820> Alright thanks
[02:24] <Rhapsody> Does anyone know how to change the taskbar so that active applications have something like this instead of the orange dots they currently have? https://camo.githubusercontent.com/b07bd2390cdd348e6404e46a97e3f35d2be5c25e/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f7444314f4251332e706e67
[02:49] <csquid> any chance someone could help me understand what set -x means here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FB9SsQwQCY/
[02:52] <csquid> No manual entry for set :/
[03:51] <mohnish> Hey guys! I've just installed i3wm, I wanted to launch dmenu from it so I edited the /i3/config file. But, when I restart i3, it shows me an error
[03:51] <mohnish> ERROR: Duplicate keybinding in config file:
[03:51] <mohnish>   state mask 0x40 with keysym d, command "exec dmenu_run"
[03:51] <mohnish> ERROR: FYI: You are using i3 version 4.14.1 (2017-09-24)
[03:52] <mohnish> though, demenu starts with no problem
[03:52] <mohnish> It's just that it shows this error
[03:54] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I am using Ubuntu Budgie 18.10, and using two monitors HP EliteDisplay E221
[03:54] <Mr_Cyclops> but the colors look so different on both
[03:54] <Mr_Cyclops> I tried switching the cables but no luck
[03:54] <Mr_Cyclops> Any help?
[03:55] <mohnish> Mr_Cyclops: Change the monitor settings maybe?
[03:55] <Mr_Cyclops> they are exactly the same make and model, using the same color profiles
[03:55] <Mr_Cyclops> Could be a bit more specific? Change what setting?
[03:56] <Mr_Cyclops> mohnish, I checked all of that, item by item, same to same on both, but no luck
[03:56] <mohnish> Mr_Cyclops: I don't know sir, I just tried to help you, besides I'm here for my problem too
[03:57] <Mr_Cyclops> np, thanks
[03:57] <mohnish> Okay
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[05:45] <cfhowlett> yowza ^3 lotuspsychje
[05:46] <davenall> Testing ident...?
[05:46] <cfhowlett> !testing | davenall
[05:46] <davenall> lol what
[05:46] <davenall> No I was just testing my nickserv thing
[05:47] <cfhowlett> davenall, use /msg nickserv           and it will stay private
[05:47] <davenall> I didn't know I had to ident every single time I connected so I was having issues
[05:47] <cfhowlett> ah, that.  too many trolls = login each and every time
[05:48] <davenall> Yeah I get it, I'm just new to IRC so I was confused because I registered yesterday and then it was saying unregistered, but I identified and I'm all good now :)
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> davenall: welcome to the ubuntu community
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> davenall: this channel you can use to ask ubuntu support questions
[05:54] <csquid> can someone tell me what set does or set -x there is no manual for set
[05:55] <davenall> Thanks! Doubtful I'll be asking any questions, but I'm happy to help answer them
[05:55] <cfhowlett> csquid, no context = no answer.  more details are needed
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> davenall: the welcome suits for volunteers also, ask or help can both be done here
[05:56] <csquid> cfhowlett: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dJkZWRnWJr/
[05:56] <csquid> cfhowlett: whats the point of set -x
[05:56] <davenall> It echoes every command to the screen as it executes
[05:57] <cfhowlett> !cookie | davenall nice one!
[05:58] <csquid> thats odd, wonder why they would have it do that when its in rc.local, normaly you wouldnt even see it? or will you see it in post?
[06:00] <jeanre> hi all
[06:00] <jeanre> running ubuntu 18.04 but I have to start the system using pci=nomsi
[06:00] <jeanre> anyway I can not do that
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> !bootoptions | jeanre
[06:01] <jeanre> because currently I have major performance issues
[06:01] <jeanre> micro lockups each few seconds etc..
[06:02] <jeanre> and tons of errors surrounding snap packages
[06:02] <jeanre> chromium_chromium.desktop[2594]: [2594:2934:1028/080218.805720:ERROR:process_singleton_posix.cc(608)] accept() failed: Operation not permitted (1)
[06:02] <jeanre> it spams the syslog
[06:03] <jeanre> this is a fresh install
[06:03] <jeanre> no kernel customizations etc..
[06:04] <jeanre> I am not sure what to do in this case
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: did you install the chromium snap urselfyo
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> yourself
[06:05] <jeanre> from the store yes
[06:05] <jeanre> but its not just that
[06:05] <jeanre> the gnome system monitor does the same
[06:05] <jeanre> has the same errors
[06:05] <csquid> davenall: i tried this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fHQB4Jm4gk/ with set -x and without, it did not echo tmux new -d before executing when set -x in place
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: gnome system monitor is now a snap by default
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !pm | jeanre
[06:06] <jeanre> ye most apps are
[06:06] <jeanre> https://i.imgur.com/Lasw3Xu.png
[06:07] <jeanre> freaks me out a little that I can see the CPU spike and lock up
[06:09] <jeanre> this is crazy
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: are you admin of the system?
[06:10] <jeanre> yes its a desktop machien
[06:10] <jeanre> *machine
[06:11] <jeanre> I need to fix the snap errros
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: did you reboot after your snap install
[06:11] <jeanre> and then I need to fix the nomsi crap
[06:11] <jeanre> no
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: try also to compare chromium snap vs the apt version
[06:12] <jeanre> let me reboot
[06:14] <jeanre> so I rebooted the logs seem better
[06:15] <jeanre> now the issue is the pci=nomsi
[06:17] <jeanre> anyone have any ideas?
[06:18] <jeanre> https://askubuntu.com/questions/771899/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: you might wanna idle here till TJ- wakes up he's our bootoptions expert :p
[06:20] <jeanre> the issue is, that I think it affects performance
[06:22] <jeanre> adding the graphics PPA now and seeing if I upgrade to 396
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: wich driver does your system reccomend: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[06:25] <jeanre> 390
[06:25] <jeanre> nvidia
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: and your card chipset?
[06:26] <jeanre> nvidia gtx 1060
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> ok think 396 can be tested too
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> see wich one performs best :p
[06:27] <jeanre> issue is why do I need nomsi
[06:29] <vegombrei> hi i have a weird problem , after the recent update my wifi dongle doesnt connect to my router doesnt even find it finds everything else i teather except my router please help me fix this
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: chipset and ubuntu verion/kernel please?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> version
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> jeanre: join #ubuntu-discuss and wait for TJ-
[06:39] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: how to see that bro im a noob
[06:39] <cfhowlett> vegombrei, /join #ubuntu-discuss
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: sudo lshw -C network && uname -a
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> !paste | vegombrei
[06:44] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y9x3Qr2DbZ/
[06:44] <vegombrei> took a while to figure that out im getting good
[06:46] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: you saw?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: yeah, seems like an atheros chipset
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !atheros | vegombrei
[06:47] <cfhowlett> atheros is not particularly ubuntu friendly
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: might be a wrestling game with firmwares
[06:48] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: weird it was working all my life until last night , wifi works im tethering thru my cell phone ... the wifi just doesnt find my router
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: can you recall what happened before, after an upgrade for example?
[06:49] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: everything else finds my router thats so wierd,
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: try this: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugout and back in your wifi stick to see relevant errors
[06:52] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: not really stuff seemed normal it asked for an update i gave my password and then they just stopped being friends
[06:53] <cedxa> I want to update opera along with the other system updates. how?
[06:54] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: everything else is friends with the router except the pc, pc can even tether from tablet and mobile but refuses to find the router its weird they just stopped being friends
[06:54] <cfhowlett> cedxa, sudo apt dist-upgrade would do it
[06:54] <cedxa> cfhowlett: ok tq
[06:54] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> vegombrei: you might wanna lookup your dpkg logs to see whats last installed, that could have broken
[07:02] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: i did that that thing you said and unplugged the wifi dongle and back in and saw lots of text stuff but it still doesnt find my router
[07:03] <vegombrei> lotuspsychje: ya think i should just download the new one format my system and reinstall?
[07:05] <yelowfish> hi all. the line : "modinfo iwlwifi" will show the drivers being used right?
[07:36] <ccb0x45> hey im trying to upgrade to 18.10 from 18.04, and the upgrade won't allow because of held broken packages..
[07:36] <ccb0x45> https://pastebin.com/Z32n03pR those are my broken packages and I have no idea how to fix
[07:38] <evertiro> did you try running fix?
[07:38] <evertiro> apt install -f
[07:38] <ccb0x45> yes, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:39] <evertiro> So they aren't actually broken, they'll break on upgrade
[07:39] <ccb0x45> ok.. so is there anything I can do?
[07:40] <jeanre> lotuspsychje: seems it was my wifi card
[07:40] <ducasse> ccb0x45: purge all ppas (don't just disable them)
[07:41] <ccb0x45> how do I do that?
[07:41] <ccb0x45> I have ppa-purge
[07:42] <ducasse> !ppa-purge
[07:42] <evertiro> ccb0x45 Only checked xorg-video-abi, but that package at least isn't in official repos, so I'm guessing that ducasse is right and it's a PPA issue
[07:42] <ccb0x45> how do I know which ppa's to purge?
[07:43] <ducasse> ccb0x45: _all_ of them, is what is recommended before upgrading
[07:43] <ccb0x45> every single ppa I have?
[07:43] <evertiro> it's best to
[07:43] <ccb0x45> ok
[07:43] <ducasse> ccb0x45: at least those who replace repo packages
[07:43] <evertiro> if a PPA doesn't have a candidate for the version you're upgrading to, it can cause all sorts of fun issues
[07:44] <ducasse> ccb0x45: if it just installs a single package that doesn't already exist in the repos, it's probably not a big deal
[07:47] <blip99> Hi all, I'm running Xubuntu 18.04.1 on a Dell XPS laptop.  Bluetooth worked fine for months, but sometimes machine boots up with bluetooth not working (or after suspend to ram).  Rebooting usually solves it, but this time it isn't
[07:47] <blip99> and this command no longer works: 'sudo service /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart'   ---> Failed to restart etc-init.d-bluetooth.service.mount: Unit etc-init.d-bluetooth.service.mount not found
[07:47] <blip99> Any thoughts?
[07:48] <evertiro> blip99: did you run an update recently?
[07:48] <ccb0x45> thanks guys
[07:48] <ccb0x45> I found the ppa causing the issue, I didn't have many
[07:48] <ducasse> ccb0x45: yw
[07:48] <blip99> evertiro, yes but nothign drastic just weekly updates (maybe it updated the kernel though)
[07:49] <ccb0x45> another question, what is generally considered generally better, for ATI gpus, running the closed source drivers or open source drivers?
[07:50] <evertiro> blip99: wait a second... are you seriously using the full path in that commnad?
[07:50] <evertiro> should be just sudo service bluetooth restart
[07:50] <ducasse> ccb0x45: in most cases, open source
[07:50] <ccb0x45> @ducasse, is that for performance?
[07:51] <ccb0x45> I wanted to run the open source, but when I installed 18.04 it was crashing when i moved the mouse at the login screen(black screen) if I didn't nomodeset
[07:51] <ducasse> ccb0x45: aiui there are only a few cards the closed source driver works with anyway, and it tends to take a while to work on new releases
[07:52] <ccb0x45> ill try my luck at the open source driver on 18.10 I guess
[07:53] <ducasse> ccb0x45: i don't think amdgpu-pro works on 18.10 yet anyway
[07:54] <ccb0x45> uh oh.. if the crash comes back then I might be out of luck
[07:54] <blip99> evertiro, oh lol. ok that ocmmand worked, but still no bt.  can you please help me check if the correct daemons are running?  i'm so confused by the 1000 cli commands with blue in the name
[07:54] <ducasse> ccb0x45: if it does you should file a bug
[07:55] <ccb0x45> ok
[07:55] <blip99> evertiro, the gui tools i have on XFCE is blueman-manager.  I opened that, it asked me to enable Bluetooth (I pressed yes to enable). but the interface isn't usable, buttons not clickable
[07:56] <blip99> evertiro, bluetoothctl 'list' shows no controllers. strange
[08:27] <JadedJ> what's a good PHP editor for ubuntu that allows auto complete of variables
[08:27] <N3X15> I use atom, but there's lots out there.
[08:41] <MKUltraMagnus> vscode
[08:42] <eviladmin> JadedJ: (g|n)vim
[08:42] <eviladmin> emacs if you are the religious kind
[09:15] <FishBone000> how to access /home/[username]/.local?
[09:15] <FishBone000> this folder isn't shown in built-in Files app.
[09:15] <FishBone000> *app Files
[09:16] <FishBone000> (I mean, without terminal)
[09:16] <ryuo> FishBone000: because hidden files are hidden by default? turn it on.
[09:16] <FishBone000> how then?
[09:16] <ryuo> varies.
[09:16] <ryuo> try right clicking and see if it's there.
[10:40] <balsaq> my new wallpaper for ubuntu  https://imgur.com/a/Mn3C5q7
[10:59] <uberwag> hi, if using ubuntu 16.04 how can i use a newer openvpn version? i always prefer to install with apt-get so packages get updated automatic when it is needed, so i rather not install from source or something
[11:03] <uberwag> ah ok, found it: https://gist.github.com/cyrex562/c8b3c0b1a02a4367a35b0ebec7286c33
[11:04] <guiverc> uberwag, maybe this will help https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos  (note: I don't use openvpn, but i see it allows you to choose release)
[11:07] <balsaq> does ubuntu have a widget that displays you hardware and temps etc...on a running display on the desktop?
[11:10] <eviladmin> balsaq: multiple
[11:13] <jcdutton> balsaq, e.g. xsensors
[11:16] <Apachez> modified systemd startup, removed 5 unwanted services:     before: 2.837s (kernel) + 9.168s (userspace) = 12.005s graphical.target after 9.036s in userspace     after: 3.149s (kernel) + 2.613s (userspace) = 5.763 graphical.target after 2.587s in userspace
[11:19] <eviladmin> not shown: the 40 sec spent in firmware :p
[11:19] <Apachez> :)
[11:19] <Apachez> intel nuc so it doesnt spend that much before handing over to the kernel
[11:20] <balsaq> mine is taking to long to staart with a long pause at boot up wth is that i have assd and it takes at least 30 sec shoiuld only take 10-15 sec to boot?
[11:20] <balsaq> im using a ssd
[11:21] <balsaq> why is ubuntu slowto boot up?
[11:21] <eviladmin> systemd-analyze blame, plot etc
[11:21] <balsaq> can i fic it
[11:21] <balsaq> i may go back to win 10 for that reason alone
[11:21] <Apachez> balsaq: guess out of the blue, you have dhcp configured and it cannot locate the dhcp server?
[11:22] <Apachez> default timeout for some stupid reason is 30 seconds
[11:22] <Apachez> which is fun, not!
[11:22] <balsaq> blank purple screen while booting just pauses right there
[11:22] <balsaq> are these guys on drugs
[11:22] <balsaq> noone wants that in their OS
[11:22] <Apachez> remove splash from /etc/default/grub and run sudo update-grub2 and reboot
[11:22] <Apachez> now you should see some text on what its doing
[11:23] <eviladmin> systemd-analyze plot > boot.html then open it in your browser
[11:23] <balsaq> i dont know how to do that
[11:24] <balsaq> Apachez, i did not configure anything i am using ubnuntu as it came from ubuntu as is
[11:24] <balsaq> this pause seesm to built right in by the dev team
[11:26] <balsaq> systemd-analyze plot   this CMD basicaly filly my screen with pages and i mean pages of nonsense
[11:26] <balsaq> enough to write a novel
[11:27] <eviladmin> balsaq: note that I also wrote "> boot.html"
[11:27] <eviladmin> and "then open it in your browser"
[11:27] <eviladmin> it being the boot.html file
[11:28] <balsaq> 'how do i open in browser
[11:28] <balsaq> i had to remove that boot html to even run the cmd
[11:28] <eviladmin> open your browser, type in the path to the file, or on a terminal do "<yourbrowser> path/to/the/file"
[11:28] <eviladmin> no you did not
[11:29] <balsaq> it would not run with that last line in there
[11:29] <eviladmin> `systemd-analyze plot > boot.html` will work just fine unless you are using a completely broken shell that doesn't support > redirection
[11:29] <balsaq> what is the file path thst i type ive goat  novel here
[11:29] <EriC^> or did it?
[11:29] <balsaq> ill try again
[11:29] <CrackedCracker> this is strictly offtopic, but is there any chat for c++ here or elsewhere? I am struggling to understand pieces of code from documentation and can't find my way through generic and formal explanation of cppreference :(
[11:29] <EriC^> wait
[11:30] <EriC^> balsaq: what actually hapnd
[11:30] <EriC^> sry im eatn chkn
[11:30] <eviladmin> well, techically should > boot.svg since it is svg and not html
[11:30] <balsaq> when i did what he said NOTHING then iremoved the arroes and boot html and it gave ne TONS of info
[11:31] <EriC^> balsaq: then it worked
[11:31] <EriC^> > redirects std output
[11:31] <eviladmin> "systemd-analyze [OPTIONS...] plot [> file.svg]"    -- the man page
[11:31] <balsaq> yeah it gsave me tons of date
[11:31] <balsaq> but nothing has changed thois slow boot
[11:31] <eviladmin> balsaq: firefox boot.html
[11:31] <EriC^> in this case to a file called boot.html
[11:31] <balsaq> what cmd do i run
[11:31] <balsaq> lets start there
[11:31] <Apachez> balsaq: plot shows a graphical output of what is taking time during boot
[11:32] <balsaq> it shows about 5000 words yes
[11:32] <Apachez> if you dont understand that then put that svg on imgur and give a link to that in here and some other might be able to help you out
[11:32] <Apachez> yeah words are difficult if you are being ignorant
[11:32] <balsaq> u want that massive text that ran in terminal
[11:33] <balsaq> Apachez, go eat some coco puffs
[11:33] <EriC^> ur having an attitude dude
[11:33] <balsaq> no he made comment
[11:33] <EriC^> and dont wanna learn
[11:33] <Apachez> EriC^: the best kind of trolls :)
[11:34] <Apachez> the ignorant who dont want to learn :D
[11:34] <Apachez> now showing on netflix ;)
[11:34] <balsaq> im reading my terminal
[11:34] <eviladmin> balsaq: systemd-analyze plot | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw
[11:35] <eviladmin> the post the url it gives you
[11:35] <eviladmin> it will say url: <something>
[11:35] <balsaq> curl cannot be found
[11:36] <EriC^> balsaq: the systemd command plots the various services that run and how long they take, run the command, open the image in your browser/image viewer
[11:36] <balsaq> suda apt install curl
[11:36] <balsaq> wants me to install curl
[11:36] <eviladmin> say yes
[11:38] <balsaq> appears to have installed i
[11:38] <uberwag> i installed apparmor, but when i check apparmor_status, i get: apparmor module is not loaded.
[11:38] <uberwag> ubuntu 16.04
[11:38] <uberwag> on openvz vps
[11:39] <uberwag> i cannot use apparmor on openvz?
[11:39] <eviladmin> uberwag: you are stuck with whatever the host support, if they don't support apparmor then you can't do nothing about it
[11:39]  * eviladmin suggests not using openvz
[11:39] <eviladmin> uberwag: stuck on a 2.6 kernel too btw?
[11:40] <uberwag> eviladmin: yes
[11:40] <eviladmin> even more reason to find a better host
[11:40] <uberwag> yea..
[11:40] <eviladmin> kvm isn't that much more expensive usually
[11:40] <uberwag> any attempt to upgrade 18.04 will fail on such a host?
[11:41] <eviladmin> not sure what the minimum kernel version for the glibc in 18.04 is
[11:41] <eviladmin> but when you can get a kvm host from 10€/year..
[11:43] <balsaq> date: 2018-10-28T11:39:23.060689+00:00
[11:43] <balsaq> digest: e14e5d310dd43afa0166c2d845b16933dbcf280a
[11:43] <balsaq> long: AOFOXTEN1Dr6AWbC2EWxaTPbzygK
[11:43] <balsaq> short: zygK
[11:43] <balsaq> size: 107553
[11:43] <balsaq> status: created
[11:43] <uberwag> eviladmin: that is very cheap, where you found that?
[11:43] <eviladmin> uberwag: pops up on lowend from time to time
[11:43] <uberwag> ok
[11:44] <eviladmin> those that are that cheap are usually quite limited though, more common is 5/month for a decent one
[11:44] <uberwag> yea
[11:44] <balsaq> i dont see how that information can help stop the lag in my boot but there it is
[11:44] <eviladmin> balsaq: post only the bit that say url:
[11:44] <eviladmin> you didn't post that because you got hit by the anti-spam bot
[11:45] <balsaq> ok but i dont see url on here i ll read it again'
[11:45] <balsaq> url: https://ptpb.pw/zygK
[11:45] <eviladmin> it says url: <something> right under the line that says status: create
[11:45] <eviladmin> d
[11:45] <eviladmin> https://ptpb.pw/zygK.svg  with rendering
[11:46] <eviladmin> the bright red are the things that blocks
[11:46] <balsaq> is incredible that u have to know all this to get buntu to run right
[11:46] <eviladmin> disabeling plymouth may help quite a bit it seems
[11:46] <balsaq> how do i disable plymouth
[11:47] <eviladmin> also your claim of "lag" is clearly false, as it boots in 12.4 seconds in total
[11:47] <eviladmin> maybe you are confused by your firmware being really slow?
[11:47] <eviladmin> and/or it having a timed spash screen
[11:47] <balsaq> then why does it stick on  purple screen for so long like 30 secs
[11:47] <eviladmin> before you get to the bootloader?
[11:47] <eviladmin> if so, try upgrading the firmware
[11:48] <balsaq> its a intel i5 with ssd
[11:48] <balsaq> BOOT DOZE IN 15 SEC
[11:48] <balsaq> total time from off to deskto p is what i mean
[11:48] <balsaq> no idea where i u got that 12 sec
[11:48] <balsaq> takes me at least 30 sec or more
[11:48] <balsaq> ill reboot and write it all down
[11:49] <eviladmin> Startup finished in 2.572s (kernel) + 9.869s (userspace) = 12.442s graphical.target reached after 9.857s in userspa
[11:49] <balsaq> yeah but take lot longer to get to my desktop
[11:49] <eviladmin> note: does not include whatever your firmware and bootloader is doing
[11:49] <balsaq> so u want me to update my ssd?
[11:49] <eviladmin> no
[11:50] <eviladmin> check for a firmware update for your motherboard
[11:50] <balsaq> there are no more of those
[11:50] <eviladmin> also see if it has some splash screen with a timeout configured
[11:50] <balsaq> i did that when i took win 10
[11:50] <uberwag> eviladmin: i paid for this openvz for quite a long period, can i somehow still use it in a secure way? i already got firewall in place, but with lower kernel, modules not loading - is this a big security risk, or is it ok to still use such a box?
[11:50] <eviladmin> uberwag: personally I would not trust anything openvz
[11:50] <balsaq> if there is splash screen config it came with 18.04 as i added nothing
[11:51] <uberwag> ok
[11:51] <eviladmin> though arguably you should not trust any hosting company / vps seller
[11:51] <eviladmin> though how paranoid you should be depends on what you are hosting :)
[11:52] <uberwag> yes ok
[11:52] <uberwag> i host pictures of cats <<
[11:52] <eviladmin> beside the security issues, openvz with ancient kernel are just a giant pain to deal with
[11:52] <Nelluk> i just stopped using an openvz host yesterday because it was so oversold that it would often take 30 seconds to respond to the 'uptime' command. wonder if i can do a paypal chargeback
[11:53] <eviladmin> bad performance, lacks features, can't use out of tree modules etc
[11:53] <uberwag> yea
[11:54] <Apachez> where did balsaq go?
[11:55] <Greyztar> does uuid of disk change if reinstall os?or could i possibly reinstall and just copy old fstab to new install?
[11:57] <balsaq> takes 5 seconds to see the gateway logo, another 22 seconds of purple nothing until i can see my log in screen, then i log in and it takes 7 more seconds to see desktop
[11:58] <eviladmin> disable plympouth
[11:58] <eviladmin> plymouth*
[11:58] <balsaq> ok how do i do that
[11:58] <balsaq> sorry im not good at linux
[11:58] <eviladmin> 12:22:48*         Apachez ⸾ remove splash from /etc/default/grub and run sudo update-grub2 and reboot
[11:58] <balsaq> ok starting with the /etc
[11:58] <balsaq> here goes
[11:59] <balsaq> haha i donthave permission
[11:59] <balsaq> oh wit'
[11:59] <eviladmin> EDITOR=nano sudoedit /etc/default/grub
[11:59] <Apachez> sudo vi /etc/default/grub
[12:00] <Apachez> whatever floats your boat :)
[12:00] <eviladmin> sudoedit is nicer, no reason to run the editor itself as root
[12:00] <eviladmin> can even use gedit or notepad that way
[12:00] <Apachez> GRUB_DEFAULT=0     GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0     GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true     GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden     GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[12:00] <balsaq> the eidor thingput all kinds of data up though
[12:00] <oijeeboo> !keep druidbloke
[12:01] <Apachez> and replace     GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet"      with       GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
[12:01] <Apachez> save the file
[12:01] <eviladmin> could drop the quiet too, optionally
[12:01] <Apachez> run      sudo update-grub2     after that
[12:01] <Apachez> now you disabled graphical boot and use textual instead (well framebuffered but anyway, you see text instead of graphic stuff)
[12:01] <Apachez> quiet seems to add boot time
[12:01] <balsaq> goog il ike that text
[12:02] <Apachez> depending on gpu the framebuffer gets really slow
[12:02] <balsaq> but i still havent done it yet
[12:02] <Apachez> so I prefer quiet if you want speed, no need for the text to render onto the display which you dont see anyway
[12:02] <balsaq> or is it ready to go now
[12:02] <balsaq> i want total speed
[12:03] <Apachez> in my case except for modifying the grub I also ran:
[12:03] <Apachez> systemctl disable motd-news.service
[12:03] <Apachez> systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[12:03] <balsaq> im lost but i have that last terminal up there
[12:03] <Apachez> systemctl disable apt-daily.service
[12:03] <Apachez> and then I removed the postfix package (in my case I have no need for it, but your milage may vary)
[12:04] <eviladmin> most users don't need postfix
[12:04] <balsaq> what do i do now
[12:05] <eviladmin> there are way simpler sendmail implementations if you just need smtp too
[12:06] <balsaq> what cmd do i run to remove all the stuff that slows me down
[12:07] <balsaq> sudo update-grub2     i did that one
[12:07] <Apachez> before I had    https://ptpb.pw/D8lx
[12:07] <Apachez> after the above changes I had    https://ptpb.pw/ff4X
[12:08] <balsaq> am i done y uidating grub alone
[12:08] <Apachez> before I had    https://ptpb.pw/D8lx.svg
[12:08] <Apachez> after the above changes I had    https://ptpb.pw/ff4X.svg
[12:08] <balsaq> an i done just because i updated grub
[12:08] <Apachez> you fix grub
[12:08] <Apachez> you disable whatever services you like
[12:08] <Apachez> you reboot
[12:08] <Nelluk> yes/part
[12:08] <Apachez> you then run systemd-analyze plot > plot2.svg   again
[12:08] <balsaq> i updated it but i dont know how to fix what it tells me
[12:08] <Apachez> and paste that output somewhere
[12:09] <balsaq> i wnt to remove splash or w/e u said that makes it pause
[12:09] <balsaq> the long wait i get onthe purple screen
[12:12] <balsaq> im lost guessim stuck with slow boot
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[12:48] <uberwag> eviladmin: if i find a kvm host that i like, is it ok to have ubuntu 16.04 on it, vs v18 - from security pov they both supported right?
[12:49] <eviladmin> I would install 18.04, I don't see any reason to use 16 unless you have a pointy haired boss with a gun at your paycheck
[12:50] <uberwag> haha ok
[12:50] <uberwag> what is the best way to version upgrade to 18.04 if 16 is installed by default?
[12:51] <eviladmin> imo a clean install of 18
[12:51] <uberwag> of course, but in case i need?
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | uberwag
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ubottu, with LTS only enabled in the package manager, the update and upgrade existing pacvkages first, then sudo do-release-upgrade in the terminal
[12:54] <BluesKaj> oops uberwag^
[12:54] <uberwag> hihi
[12:54] <uberwag> obottu: i think you are very intelligent!
[12:55] <uberwag> ubottu: you too! :)
[12:55] <BluesKaj> uberwag, my ubottu post above was meant for you
[12:55] <uberwag> yes
[12:55] <uberwag> thank you
[12:56] <BluesKaj> easier then a clean install and preserves your settings andf data
[12:56] <BluesKaj> than
[12:56] <rebab> windows irc channel doesn't help. I'll install ubuntu.
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> rebab: we strongly advice installing ubuntu :p
[13:02] <rebab> lotuspsychje: I have some files on windows. Can I reach those on ubuntu?
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> rebab: you mean for backup your files?
[13:03] <rebab> lotuspsychje: No I have 3 partitions. C, D and another partition for ubuntu. I'll install dual boot. Can I reach D drive on ubuntu?
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> rebab: yes you can enter ntfs drives from /mnt or /media
[13:05] <rebab> lotuspsychje: and my last question. My friend was always choosing the OS before booting. I mean GRUB booter. Can I boot Ubuntu by default?
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> rebab: after you have setup ubuntu alongside windows, you can edit grub to have ubuntu by default sure
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> !grub | rebab
[13:09] <rebab> after everything set. which is the boot another os button?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> rebab: there's no magic red button
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> rebab: you need to edit grub with an editor
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> rebab: gedit for example
[13:11] <rebab> lotuspsychje: no I mean when I want to open windows 10 I have to edit grub right? No button for it?
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> rebab: ah you mean to enter grub? that magic button is holding shift at boot
[13:11] <rebab> lotuspsychje: I want to open Ubuntu by default. (dual boot)
[13:45] <jhave> Hi
[13:46] <jhave> What is the best solutin, upgrade a 16.04 server to 18.04 vs a fresh 18.04 install and data migration ?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> jhave: that depends what you mean by 'best'
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> jhave: both are the users choice actually
[13:56] <jhave> lotuspsychje, just what way i have to go :)
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> jhave: really depends on your case mate, let me ask you this, do you have a reason to clean install completly and do all your configs over again?
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> jhave: if you have not, why not making a backup and lts upgrade?
[14:00] <frad> what command or app can I use nowadays to reduce the size of a large pdf file? Searching online I found forum entries from 6 years ago.
[14:03] <firelegend> I was running Ubuntu 18.4
[14:03] <firelegend> Premature send :/
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: elaborate please, whats going on?
[14:04] <firelegend> I was running Ubuntu 18.04 x64 with kernel 4.15.18, on a laptop
[14:04] <firelegend> lotus psyche I would have but premature send
[14:05] <firelegend> I have Intel coffee lake with integrated gpu and Nvidia dedicated card, I used prime-select to switch to Intel gpu
[14:05] <firelegend> And so ce then all hell broke loose
[14:05] <firelegend> I could no longer get Nvidia running
[14:05] <blackflow> jhave: a lot has changed since 16.04 and some things aren't installed the same way if you upgrade or install from scratch. I'd recommend isntall from scratch if you want a clean 18.04 experience.
[14:05] <firelegend> I reinstalled the driver, xorg, gdm3
[14:05] <firelegend> And now xorg is broken
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: wich driver does your system reccomend? ubuntu-drivers list
[14:06] <firelegend> lotuspsychje I used the Nvidia ppa
[14:06] <firelegend> So the proprietary drivers
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: wich driver does your system reccomend please
[14:06] <firelegend> The very latest I assume
[14:06] <firelegend> I ko longer have a window manager
[14:07] <firelegend> It's broken
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: can you fallback to tty?
[14:07] <firelegend> Yes
[14:07] <firelegend> Startx just hangs now
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: ubuntu-drivers list plz
[14:07] <firelegend> I have a bunch
[14:08] <firelegend> Nvidia driver 390 396
[14:08] <firelegend> And 410
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: ok tnx, wich driver is currently active?
[14:08] <firelegend> Not sure I am on the cmd
[14:08] <firelegend> No window manager, no Gui
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: sudo lshw -C video to see behind driver=
[14:10] <firelegend> Says driver Nvidia
[14:10] <firelegend> And for the Intel graphics i915
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: ok, lets try to fallback to nouveau first: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: reboot, and see if you can enter your system again
[14:11] <firelegend> I did fallback to it initially, but that was not what I wanted
[14:11] <uberwag> by default openvpn 2.4.4 will be installed - i cannot imagine this being a big security risk, else they would change that.. am i right?
[14:11] <firelegend> So i blacklisted it
[14:11] <firelegend> In blacklist. Conf
[14:11] <uberwag> i can install from source, but i rather just apt install openvpn as it then will be auto updated
[14:14] <firelegend> Rebooting
[14:14] <firelegend> Damn I forgot to purge Nvidia
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> uberwag: start from the beginning mate, what are you trying to do
[14:15] <firelegend> Sounds like there's an arduous process ahead of me
[14:15] <uberwag> lotuspsychje: install latest openvpn on ubuntu 18.04
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> !latest | uberwag
[14:16] <uberwag> yea
[14:16] <uberwag> thanks ubottu :)
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> uberwag: we strongly advice to use package versions for your current ubuntu version
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> uberwag: or consider !backports or snaps
[14:16] <uberwag> yes
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> frad: not sure it has a reduce function, but we hear good things of inkscape
[14:20] <firelegend> lotuspsychje I am now rebooting, but considering I managed to break xorg and gdm3
[14:20] <firelegend> Might not work still
[14:21] <firelegend> Oh it seems to be loading I can see a cursor
[14:22] <firelegend> Well, I am stuck with the mouse cursor on a black screen, I can move the mouse, but that's about it
[14:23] <yelowfish> hi all.after extracting the zip file fr github can i use sudo make immediately or should i relocate the extracted files first?
[14:23] <firelegend> What now?
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | firelegend try this
[14:24] <firelegend> BTW is there a reason grub editing is so slow?
[14:26] <kreyren> @Drone done?
[14:27] <kreyren> Resending: Hey, i have a problem with overheating on my ntb https://askubuntu.com/questions/1087990/ubuntu-overheating-possible-hw-damage-defaults-to-gentoo-kernel-initramfs-to/1087991#1087991
[14:28] <kreyren> What is the TLDR of IRC guidelines here?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | kreyren
[14:29] <yelowfish> may i request assistance re driver installation ?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> !ask | yelowfish
[14:30] <firelegend> Lotuspsychje I managed to get in
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> !yay | firelegend
[14:30] <firelegend> I see I am using llvmpipe and lightdm
[14:30] <firelegend> Now comes the harder part again
[14:30] <firelegend> Getting Nvidia up and running
[14:30] <firelegend> With proprietary drivers
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: ok now on an optimus card you need an nvidia driver + nvidia-prime
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: i would go first for the reccomended driver ubuntu-drivers list show you
[14:31] <kreyren> lotuspsychje: why is nvidia prime required? (have issues with Nvidia drivers on gentoo)
[14:31] <yelowfish> i did sudo make and got this : Directory nonexistent
[14:31] <yelowfish> Makefile:975: "Cannot use CONFIG_STACK_VALIDATION=y, please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel"
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> kreyren: we can only support ubuntu here mate
[14:31] <firelegend> My idea was that I could switch between Intel graphics and Nvidia
[14:32] <firelegend> For some power saving
[14:32] <firelegend> As soon a si used
[14:32] <kreyren> lotuspsychje: ikr asking for info since its related
[14:32] <firelegend> Prime-select Intel
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: thats possible, once you got the right nvidia driver
[14:32] <firelegend> Everything broke
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: falling back to nouveau was just to get us a booting system
[14:32] <firelegend> I was using 410 at that time
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: i would go for a lower first
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: 390 showup for your card?
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: you can also ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[14:34] <firelegend> Well before I used 390 because at that moment there were no drivers for me, at least autoinstall did not use Nvidia drivers
[14:34] <firelegend> So i had to manually add the Nvidia ppa
[14:34] <firelegend> And grab em from there
[14:34] <firelegend> And I had a working system for a month
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: thats not possible, ubuntu drivers list always shows a reccomended one (if you have nvidia)
[14:35] <firelegend> But battery life was horrid, 30 minutes or so
[14:36] <firelegend> Not at that time for me, when I had a fresh Ubuntu install
[14:36] <firelegend> Not even i915 worked alright without going through some guides on my laptop
[14:37] <yelowfish> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WGnPwHh9Dm/ pls advice.tnx
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: try ubuntu-drivers autoinstall, and see wich one it installs?
[14:39] <firelegend> It chose the latest 410
[14:39] <firelegend> Let's hope it manages to boot later on
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> ok if its not, purge nvidia* again
[14:44] <firelegend> Beforehand when I had used prime select to use Intel, the resolution was very low instead of fhd
[14:44] <firelegend> Xrandr showed only lower resolutions than native
[14:46] <firelegend> However I think I had better performance on the window manager and scrolling with Intel than Nvidia, for some reason
[14:46] <firelegend> And a 1050 is probably way faster than hd630
[14:50] <firelegend> Lotuspsychje doesn't seem to want to work without nomodeset even when the drivers were installed
[14:50] <firelegend> I only heard that Ubuntu login sound, some kind of drums, and the screen is black with a small non blinking dash on the upper left corner
[14:51] <firelegend> I can access the shell with ctrl alt f3 though
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: is your system up to date?
[14:52] <firelegend> Very
[14:52] <firelegend> I was even running kernel 4.19
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> .38 kernel?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> firelegend: i wonder wich driver was there, before you added the ppa
[14:53] <firelegend> Well not 390 for sure
[14:53] <firelegend> Back to nomodeset and perhaps 390
[14:55] <coconut> lotuspsychje: what videocard you recommend, when there are choices for an 1060 or an 1070?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> coconut: both work on ubuntu
[14:57] <coconut> ok :)
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> coconut: for hardware specific questions ask in ##hardware
[14:58] <cryptodan_mobile> coconut: the 1070
[14:58] <BluesKaj> firelegend, no guarantees when one runs a non-default kernel
[14:58] <node> Im stuck with Show Plymouth Boot Screen any help
[14:58] <node> Google didn't helped me
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> node: start from the beginning please: ubuntu version, kernel version stuck at wich point with wich error
[15:01] <firelegend> Blues Kaj I guess
[15:01] <node> Im on ubuntu 16.04 xenial x64 kernel 4.15.0-36
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> node: system up to date to latest?
[15:03] <node> Yes all package are updated
[15:03] <coconut> cryptodan_mobile: i also like the 1070 more, but it comes with (possibly a lot)more heat and lower battery life under *laptops*, which is what i consider buying currently.
[15:03] <Cheez> that is the latest kernel for 16.04
[15:03] <Cheez> using the HWE kernels
[15:03] <Cheez> oh, this isn't the channel i thought it was, ignore me
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> node: can you press F1 for textboot and see wich line error you got stuck exactly please?
[15:04] <qwebirc15973> hey guys im trying to install acm flight simulator on ubuntu and i get an error while compiling the game with the command make - "error : format not a string literal and no format arguments" in function VPrintPolygon, am i missing something here or whats wrong
[15:05] <OerHeks> !info acm
[15:06] <OerHeks> no need to build, it is in the repos
[15:06] <qwebirc15973> oh how do i run it
[15:07] <node> At "Starting Show Plymouth Boot Screen"
[15:07] <OerHeks> qwebirc15973, i guess it will put an icon/starter in your menu
[15:08] <coconut> cryptodan_mobile: do you happen to know the difference between the two? (for heat and power consumption)
[15:08] <qwebirc15973> i tried sudo apt-get acm and i get E: Invalid operation acm
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> node: can you enter desktop with a liveusb?
[15:09] <OerHeks> qwebirc15973, add 'install' .. and make sure you have universe repo enabled
[15:11] <cryptodan_mobile> coconut: if for a lap top then a 1060. I get 2 hours on my 1070 in a powerspec 1710
[15:12] <coconut> :)
[15:19] <node> I dont have any issue using live usb
[15:37] <cluelessperson> so, sometimes CIFS glitches out and I cannot remount a mount
[15:37] <cluelessperson> I got a segmentation fault
[15:38] <cluelessperson> and when I try to remount it, I get 512
[15:38] <cluelessperson> until I restart
[15:38] <cluelessperson> wondering how to "clear this out"
[15:40] <kamura> hi any one built squid from source recently?
[15:48] <leftyfb> kamura: Not only does a survey not help you regardless of answer, compiling applications from source isn't really supported here. Why can't you just install the package available in ubuntu?
[15:56] <rebab> Hello. Do you speak some Windows? Check this please. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pyWbNr5CjW/
[15:56] <rebab> Windows IRC channel is totally useless.
[15:59] <leftyfb> kamura: please do not PM
[15:59] <kamura> ok we can talk about a completely un related topic here then
[15:59] <leftyfb> !details | rebab
[16:00] <kamura> it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:00] <leftyfb> kamura: then try #ubuntu-offtopic. This is an ubuntu support channel
[16:00] <demio> yo folks
[16:01] <demio> i accidentally uninstalled the default calendar package on ubuntu
[16:01] <kamura> I will do thanks
[16:01] <demio> how do i get it back
[16:01] <leftyfb> demio: reinstall it
[16:01] <demio> when i install GNOME Calendar it appears with broken icons
[16:01] <demio> its not in the software list
[16:01] <demio> only GNOME Calendar
[16:03] <demio> so im kinda confused
[16:03] <gpunk> it is integrated in gnome-shell, you might need to logoff/logon
[16:04] <demio> so
[16:05] <demio> if i install gnome calendar and logout/login it should work?
[16:05] <demio> cause its not broken
[16:05] <demio> just the icon
[16:10] <psilonux> Hi, how do I know if timedatctl is using the ntp-server provided by the dhcp-server on my LAN?
[16:13] <cariveri> Hi. I used to run a browser for audio in the background, when playing a game. now the browser sucks up all the cpu power, after install of ubuntu 18 coming with newer browsers.
[16:13] <TJ-> psilonux: you don't; check the log systemd-timesyncd: "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service"
[16:15] <psilonux> TJ-: well, I actually just did that but journalctl tells me that timesyncd is alternating between the ntp-server from dhcp and ntp.ubuntu.com. How can I force timesyncd to only use the ntp-server from dhcp?
[16:16] <psilonux> I read the man page, but it isnt very informative
[16:21] <TJ-> psilonux: hmmm, not sure, maybe there's an option adding ubuntu time server that can be disabled
[16:22] <psilonux> settings in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf take precedence, but nothing is configured there except the defaults from compile time
[16:22] <psilonux> maybe ntp.uubuntu.com is compiled in default
[16:24] <TJ-> psilonux: I see that is in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf but commented out (as a fallback)
[16:25] <firelegend> Alright
[16:25] <firelegend> So...
[16:26] <firelegend> Without nomodeset none of the display managers work
[16:26] <firelegend> Not gdm3, not lightdm
[16:26] <TJ-> psilonux: you're correct; debian/rules shows the conf flags are -Dntp-servers="$(DEFAULT_NTP_SERVERS)" and  DEFAULT_NTP_SERVERS = ntp.ubuntu.com
[16:28] <psilonux> TJ-: that would mean that  timedatectl rotates between the compiled in default ntp.ubuntu.com and the dhcp provided one?
[16:29] <psilonux> at least that's what comes up in the log
[16:30] <TJ-> psilonux: it would seem so; maybe if you set the fallback to nothing it'd stop the default being used?
[16:36] <psilonux> TJ-: everything is commented out in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf Thanks anayway, I'll try to live with it :)
[17:00] <TJ-> psilonux: I meant to set "NTP=" and  "FallbackNTP=" instead of having it commented out, in case that will override the compile-time defaults
[17:23] <cariveri> is there a way to limit a process in cpu usage?
[17:24] <cariveri> or program I should say. like a browser.
[17:28] <firelegend> Alright, so how do I troubleshoot window managers not working?
[17:29] <firelegend> The logs do not say anythinf
[17:29] <gpunk> cariveri :  look at man nice
[17:32] <ccb0x45> hey whats the difference between the radeon, amdgpu, and amdgpu-pro drivers?
[17:33] <ducasse> ccb0x45: radeon = old open source driver, amdgpu = open source driver for newer gpus, amdgpu-pro = closed source driver for newer gpus
[17:34] <ccb0x45> ok, so I should be using amdgpu most likely, I had a hell of a time figure out how to get it stable on 18.10
[17:35] <ccb0x45> I had to add this to my grub: radeon.si_support=0 radeon.cik_support=0 amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.cik_support=1 amd.modeset=1 amdgpu.dc=0 amdgpu.dpm=1
[17:37] <ccb0x45> @ducasse, while I was troubleshooting it, for a while on 18.10 it only worked in Wayland... and I noticed Wayland felt different to me.. like smoother, but none of my electron apps worked or would show up on the dock, are electron apps just incompatible with Wayland?
[17:44] <ducasse> ccb0x45: no idea, i don't use wayland and i don't use any electron apps
[17:44] <ccb0x45> ok, VS Code is acting really wonky since upgrading to 18.10
[17:44] <ccb0x45> the fonts are really weird
[17:45] <ccb0x45> slack, spotify, vs code all didnt show up for me under wayland
[17:49] <AuroraAvenue> finally sorted out g-mail debakle. not sure 'bout fonts though...
[17:49] <AuroraAvenue> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gmail-new-looks-change.html
[18:08] <TJ-> ccb0x45: are those all snaps?
[18:12] <ccb0x45> @TJ-, I installed them from the Ubuntu Software app... not sure, how do I tell?
[18:16] <TJ-> ccb0x45: well, to me none sound like packages from thw archive but you bring up a good point; one of our volunteers raised a bug against the gnome software center package because it is impossible to know when an application comes from a snap (and consequently is NOT supported by the community nor Canonical)
[18:17] <ccb0x45> @TJ- what do you mean none sound like packages from the archive
[18:19] <kiasan> hi all
[18:19] <TJ-> ccb0x45: VS Code for example, and electron apps (isn't that a brower engine + javascript application) ?
[18:20] <ccb0x45> @TJ- yea electron apps are browser engine based
[18:20] <ccb0x45> @TJ- what did you mean not from the archive?
[18:21] <Richard_Cavell> OerHeks, I was having sound trouble yesterday.  That link has not fixed my problems.
[18:24] <ccb0x45> @TJ- its strange to me that starting in wayland doesn't even have those apps in the dock, but starting in x has them
[18:24] <ccb0x45> same with searching them in the "Applications"
[18:27] <ccb0x45> I see what you mean about snap
[18:27] <ccb0x45> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1747081
[18:30] <OerHeks> iirc lots of issues running chrome and apps on wayland, maybe 18.10 improved things, i am still on 18.04
[18:50] <qwebirc7039> could someone help me figure out why i can't run ubuntu without nomodeset?
[18:50] <qwebirc7039> tried using the amdgpu drivers but that didnt work
[18:51] <qwebirc7039> reinstalled a few times as well
[18:58] <ioria> qwebirc7039, what's your card ?
[18:58] <qwebirc7039> rx580
[19:00] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  POLARIS 12  should be supported by opensource amdgpu driver
[19:00] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[19:01] <qwebirc7039> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] (rev e7) 	Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. [MSI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/580] 	Kernel modules: amdgpu
[19:02] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:02] <qwebirc7039> http://termbin.com/6ynb
[19:03] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  no module in use .... try this :   sudo lshw -c Video |  nc termbin.com 9999
[19:04] <qwebirc7039> http://termbin.com/5hq9
[19:05] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  are you on a fresh install atm ?
[19:07] <qwebirc7039> well i installed a couple minutes ago and someone suggested this: "Maybe regression in the kernel. Remove amdpro driver and install latest kernel with https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu"
[19:07] <qwebirc7039> but other than that yes
[19:07] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  uname -r ?
[19:07] <qwebirc7039> 4.15.0-38-generic
[19:09] <qwebirc7039> before this i tried fedora 4.16 which worked fine until i updated to 4.18
[19:10] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  cat /etc/default/grub  |  nc termbin.com 9999
[19:10] <qwebirc7039> http://termbin.com/3dia
[19:12] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  you see the line  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"    , add     iommu=soft   after ' splash  ' and run sudo update-grub
[19:14] <qwebirc7039> so restart and instead of nomodeset use iommu=soft?
[19:14] <ioria> qwebirc7039,  that's the plan
[19:14] <qwebirc7039> k brb
[19:15] <texla> Ubuntu-Mate 18.10 How to activate numlockx at login
[19:19] <cyborjedi> i need fast distro for hp f1233
[19:20] <pagetelegram> Greetings, I am new on Ubuntu, using the latest 18.x coming from WindowMaker Deb8 setup. I kinda want the wmaker installed as that is what I am use too. The reason for the switch is I needed to get stuff from snapd to work and that wasn't happening in deb8. Now that I am here I foremost need the time and day to display day, month and year as well as the time. I also need virtual desktops, I use to use wmclip just fine. If I
[19:20] <pagetelegram> can get windowmaker setup then that would be preferred. Won't do it from sources tho as I can't have any unexpected issues; I've dealt with enough already.
[19:20] <qwebirc98097> went to black screen again once I set iommu=soft, had to add on nomodeset after it
[19:20] <qwebirc98097> but i did the update-grub
[19:21] <pagetelegram> for 18, wmaker is no longer in the repository. it was according to online accounts for 16.
[19:22] <ioria> qwebirc98097,  sudo modprobe -v amdgpu
[19:22] <qwebirc98097> insmod /lib/modules/4.15.0-38-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko  modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'amdgpu': Invalid argument
[19:23] <AuroraAvenue> bang goes the knighthood, then. |   https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-acquire-red-hat-completely-changing-cloud-landscape-and-becoming-world
[19:24] <ioria> qwebirc98097,  my bad, amdgpu  cannot work with nomodeset
[19:26] <ioria> qwebirc98097,  can you reboot without 'nomodeset' and open a console when you got the black screen     ctrl+alt+f2 (or f3)  and run again the cmd  ?
[19:26] <pagetelegram> Is there a preferred route to install and change DE to Windowmaker on latest Ubuntu?
[19:26] <ubuntulibre> Hi guys :) I am trying to reinstall libreoffice on my ubuntu 18 lts. I previously uninstalled it to try office alternatives but now I can't seem to download many essential packages because of libreoffice-common dependency
[19:26] <ubuntulibre> how can I reinstall libreoffice?
[19:27] <qwebirc98097> ill try, the ctrl+alt+f2/f3 hasn't worked previously brb
[19:28] <ioria> qwebirc98097,  you need to wait a bit
[19:32] <ubuntulibre> relevant paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b2b9rQmJPK/
[19:32] <qwebirc8891> ctrl+alt+f2/f3 doesnt work
[19:32] <qwebirc8891> sometimes there's a message right before the black screen but moves too fast to see
[19:33] <cryptodan_mobile> qwebirc8891: might want to remove the quiet splash screen from the kernel boot parameters to see the boot process
[19:33] <ubuntulibre> anyone encountered a similar problem?
[19:34] <qwebirc8891> ok ill try that
[19:41] <Apachez> looks like IBM just aquired RedHat:  https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-acquire-red-hat-completely-changing-cloud-landscape-and-becoming-world%E2%80%99s-1-hybrid-cloud-provider
[19:42] <qwebirc23441> without nomodeset it just crashes to the black screen, with it on it just boots normally
[19:42] <CookieM> you can always install their official build from libreoffice.org it’s pretty straightforward
[19:42] <ubuntulibre> if anyone would encounter my problem in the future: https://askubuntu.com/questions/691630/libreoffice-core-dependency-in-every-install
[19:42] <ubuntulibre> got it to work. have a nice day everyone
[19:42] <zeedee> just upgraded to 18. samba share with windows 10 seems broken. i have seen adding "client max protocol = NT1" to smb.conf is supposed to help. this did nothing for me. any other troubleshooting tips?
[19:43] <zeedee> or should i be in #samba?
[19:43] <ioria> qwebirc23441, did you use that parameter when you first installed the system?
[19:44] <qwebirc23441> yes, needed to
[19:45] <ioria> qwebirc23441, ever tried the proprietary  AMDGPU-Pro ?
[19:45] <qwebirc23441> yes, didn't work.
[19:46] <qwebirc23441> even during live cd
[19:48] <pagetelegram> going to restart and test out setup with xdm and wmaker installed.
[19:49] <ioria> qwebirc23441, you can boot in Recovery mode -> root shell  and maybe get some hints from /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg
[19:50] <crmlt> How could I hide the tty1 login prompt which is spawned before lightdm greeter is started on my system?
[19:54] <qwebirc23441> ill check it out
[20:01] <backnforth> Hi, should I use Ubuntu 18.04 or 18.10 for gaming? I'm looking for compatibility.
[20:03] <qwebirc42512> theres red text in dmesg that says vgacon disables amdgpu kernel, dont see much besides that
[20:04] <ioria> qwebirc42512, last thing i can suggest is   amdgpu.dc=0 instead of nomodeset and iommu
[20:04] <pagetelegram> I have another DE I just installed, (wmaker) and I want to make that the default and remove what ever the DE Ubuntu comes with.  Overlay is backed by RAM tmpfs I think, so it could be it is running out of free space in tmpfs, or that path is somehow otherwise protected
[20:31] <TJ-> nickNolte: if you're trying to change an existing sym-link, you need the --force option, as in "ln -fs ..."
[20:31] <nickNolte> must be the second one, i can merrily delete and add files on the system. postgres itself got added post-boot
[20:32] <nickNolte> i just want to change the attributes of the link
[20:32] <nickNolte> maybe if i create it as the postgres user, that i am actually trying to change it to
[20:32] <`whoami`> Hello, is there any service that "automagically" cleans /tmp without user's consent ?  Running ubuntu 18.04
[20:33] <joakim> hi guys I'm trying to have a installscript (#!/bin/sh) to grab the os and release and then echo it to a repo.list but it fails for me, any of you you could help me?   PS: I recall something about "old" days where you could put some $release into the repo list it self
[20:33] <TJ-> nickNolte: if I recall correctly, the ownership/modes can't be changed in some circumstances
[20:34] <nickNolte> interesting
[20:37] <nickNolte> TJ-: it's seems to be working with sudo -u postgres (..)
[20:37] <acresearch> hello people
[20:37] <TJ-> nickNolte: ahh, nice find
[20:38] <TJ-> acresearch: apparently as the link I gave you in ##linux shows, its part of the Ubuntu desktop gnome software
[20:38] <acresearch> TJ-:  i tried the chmod command nothing changed
[20:39] <acresearch> the application i am trying to run us ToupLite   from Omax microscope
[20:39] <TJ-> acresearch: because it is owned by 'root' I suspect
[20:39] <TJ-> acresearch: so you'd neeed to do "sudo chmod ..."
[20:39] <acresearch> TJ-: yes i sudo chmod still nothing changed
[20:40] <RobBurke> Hi. Anyone knows a way of modifying the nightshift mode un 18.04? Mine turns my monitor almost completely red and I want tone it down  bit
[20:40] <acresearch> TJ-: i opened the .desktop file and i went to the source but when i execute it on its own it opens an application without any text on the GUI buttons, very strange
[20:41] <acresearch> TJ-: i think i purchased a very expensive digital microscope without the possibility of making it work on linux :-(   even though the manufacturer says it should work on linux
[20:42] <TJ-> acresearch: I don't use ubuntu/gnome desktop so I'm unfamiliar with it, but in general you probably need "sudo chmod a+x ...."
[20:42] <TJ-> acresearch: I think simply +x affects your current user, root, which already has the permissions, 'a' means 'all' which does "ugo+x"
[20:42] <acresearch> TJ-: i just tried it again, nothing changes, still cannot open it
[20:43] <`whoami`> so yeah, it seems systemd is actually cleaning tmp files... what if we actually *need* them ?
[20:44] <TJ-> acresearch: did you read the bit in that AskUbuntu answer that says "This may also appear if any of the paths in your .desktop files are malformed or do not refer to existing files or directories...."
[20:48] <RobBurke> nevermind, found it in the dconf-editor
[20:52] <acresearch> TJ-: hmmm
[20:52] <TJ-> `whoami`: the wohle point of /tmp/ is for ... temporary ... files :) I use tmpfs for /tmp
[20:53] <TJ-> acresearch: I'm lost now, sorry!
[20:53] <TJ-> acresearch: but if you're installed some 3rd party application has it installed in the system directories, or inside your $HOME directory?
[21:03] <acresearch> TJ-: https://hastebin.com/ahizaqetud.ini   this is the content, the paths are fine
[21:05] <fassl> what does cannot open it mean?
[21:06] <acresearch> fassl: i think it is just a broken software,     i am trying to compile another one, should i get the linux x64 or x86?
[21:07] <TJ-> acresearch: can you execute the program directly with "/usr/local/ToupLite/touplite" in a terminal shell?
[21:07] <`whoami`> TJ-: yes, but i remember when /tmp was cleaned on reboot; not while you're using them
[21:08] <acresearch> TJ-: yes, but i get a GUI without words
[21:08] <TJ-> `whoami`: well yes, it should have contents deleted on shutdown, or at startup
[21:08] <TJ-> acresearch: which means the application is broken in some way
[21:08] <OerHeks> acresearch, is it executable +x ?
[21:09] <`whoami`> it's been like 4hrs i am building, re-building and re-re-building something, which eventally failed because of systemd trying to act "smart"
[21:09] <`whoami`> (not trying to start a rant about systemd, tho... just sharing my unpleasant experience)
[21:09] <fassl> is it a script? file /usr/local/ToupLite/touplite
[21:09] <acresearch> OerHeks: yes
[21:10] <acresearch> TJ-: OerHeks  the application is called ToupLite from Omax and ToupTek, could there be an alternative for linux?
[21:10] <acresearch> http://www.touptek.com/download/showdownload.php?lang=en&id=28
[21:11] <TJ-> `whoami`: seems like /lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer is responsible; OnBootSec=15min and OnUnitActiveSec=1d which if they seem as obvious as they seem, suggests 15 minutes after boot and every 24 hours after service start
[21:12] <acresearch> TJ-: dam on alternative to   there is no alternative to ToupLite   :-(
[21:12] <OerHeks> acresearch, tjere are some debs on https://www.openastroproject.org/downloads/
[21:12] <OerHeks> found on https://stargazerslounge.com/topic/272720-oacapture-100/?page=7
[21:12] <`whoami`> i'd say "every 15min after boot", or their thing is bugged
[21:13] <TJ-> `whoami`: the man-page says about "--clean": "If this option is passed, all files and directories with an age parameter configured will be cleaned up."
[21:13] <`whoami`> gmbl, it's probably not a smart thing to do :(
[21:13] <TJ-> `whoami`: check the journal entries for that service, see when it is running
[21:14] <TJ-> `whoami`: here, I see it runinng after a "--Reboot--" and then every 24 hours
[21:15] <apekatten> Is there any way to remove a file from a package without breaking the system? I want to use an updated version of ZFS, but the module shipped in "linux-modules-4.15.0-38-generic" screw me over
[21:15] <tmroland> how can i fix software centre always getting stuck on the screen of the last viewed app ?
[21:15] <tmroland> any button i click doesnt work
[21:16] <TJ-> apekatten: how about dpkg-divert ?
[21:16] <`whoami`> TJ-: it seems it's the /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-housekeeping process that was causing the error, actually
[21:16] <OerHeks> remove ~.cache/software-center/ and restart softwarecenter, usually fixes glitches
[21:16] <`whoami`> thanks
[21:17] <tmroland> tnx
[21:17] <TJ-> apekatten: as in, for example, "sudo dpkg-divert --divert /path/to/file.diverted --rename /path/to/file"
[21:17] <tmroland> can that be avoided next time or do i have to do it each time?
[21:17] <tmroland> cause it gets stuck each time i open it
[21:17] <`whoami`> so, not systemd. But still ... :)
[21:17] <TJ-> `whoami`: grrrr @ gnome!
[21:17] <`whoami`> yeah
[21:17] <TJ-> `whoami`: not using gnome here which must be why I've not seen that
[21:17] <`whoami`> systemd and gnome, what a combo ;p
[21:17] <gostforest> Hello, I was wondering if you guys could help me install avast on ubuntu?
[21:18] <TJ-> `whoami`: and I don't think I've actually seem my files in /tmp/ go missing so I think systemd-clean is smart enough not to remove stuff I use
[21:18] <tmroland> well theres no cache
[21:19] <acresearch> TJ-: from this link should i choose linux x64 or x86?  i have ubuntu 18.04
[21:19] <acresearch> OerHeks: thanks i will look into them
[21:19] <apekatten> TJ-: thanks, I'll try it :)
[21:20] <`whoami`> well i'm using out-of-the-box ubuntu 18.04; seems it's not suited for devs then :/
[21:20] <apekatten> TJ-: what happens when I upgrade and there is a new kernel?
[21:21] <OerHeks> gostforest, avast gives support, but outdated. https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/131/
[21:21] <Mrokii> Hello. I've tried to switch nvidia-drivers via "Software & Updates", but for some reason the progress bar doesn't move when trying to apply the changes, at least for a few minutes. Is it normal that this takes so long?
[21:22] <gostforest> OerHeks, I tried that but it said access denied
[21:23] <gostforest> I mostly need an antivirus that i can run on ubuntu, but scans windows viruses
[21:23] <TJ-> apekatten: err, you'll need to do it again for every linux-image-* version I'm afraid. What is the actual problem you're having? Are you maintaining an out-of-package build of ZoL
[21:23] <OerHeks> gostforest, oh, that is why, EOL, dead https://www.ubuntufree.com/how-to-install-avast-on-ubuntu/ , but you can pay for server antiviral stuff
[21:23] <OerHeks> https://www.avast.com/linux-server-antivirus
[21:23] <OerHeks> :-D
[21:24] <TJ-> acresearch: depends on your system "dpkg --print-architecture" -- if it is x86_64 then you're using 64-bit
[21:24] <OerHeks> or just install clamav and rkhunter
[21:25] <gostforest> so it says i require a company name, do i just put any old name?
[21:25] <TJ-> apekatten: why not wrap your ZoL in DKMS wrapper so it is built and installed automatically every time a new kernel is installed, and replaces the module shipped in the kernel image?
[21:26] <apekatten> TJ-: Yes , I have compiled and wish to use zfs-0.8.0, but the kernel module shipped in linux-modules-4.15.0-29-generic ruins it
[21:26] <apekatten> TJ-: I have never heard of this method, do you have a link to a tutorial or somewhere to learn more?
[21:27] <TJ-> apekatten: wrap it with DKMS. I do that a lot with various (test) module builds. source gets linked to /usr/src/<module>-<version> I add a dkms.conf file, and then "sudo dkms add <module>/<version>" and "sudo dkms install <module>/<version>"
[21:27] <acresearch> TJ-: amd64
[21:28] <TJ-> apekatten: which ubuntu release are you using? I might be able to find you an example/template
[21:29] <TJ-> acresearch: that is x86_64; 64 bit
[21:29] <TJ-> !info zfs-dkms | apekatten
[21:29] <apekatten> TJ-: I'm using 18.04
[21:30] <TJ-> apekatten: you could use that as your example, copy its dkms.conf and modify the version for yours, then uninstall that zfs-linux once yours is building and installing correctly
[21:30] <TJ-> apekatten: it'll install under /usr/src/
[21:31] <gostforest> Ok, I need this all to be cleared. Anyone here know of an antivirus that scans buntu for viruses and windows for viruses?
[21:31] <apekatten> TJ-: thanks! I'll try it
[21:32] <TJ-> apekatten: "man dkms" will be a great help to you :)
[21:32] <TJ-> apekatten: and "dkms status" will help enlighten you
[21:37] <acresearch> TJ-: i think i will have to use a mac or a windows for this microscope camera let me try and see, it seems it is a very bad chinease product, even their website is not that great, i am surprised omax has partnered with them
[21:41] <gostforest> ok so i need to install clam av, but its not letting me
[21:44] <gostforest> nevermind
[21:45] <gostforest> forgot to sudo
[21:55] <acresearch> TJ-: i just check and the software work very well on mac, so i am concearned that they only say they provide for linux without "actually" providing a software for linux
[21:55] <TJ-> acresearch: that would not surprise me
[21:55] <acresearch> TJ-: :-(
[22:21] <KPI42> Hello everyone, Unity has been discontinued ?
[22:24] <eviladmin> KPI42: in ubuntu yes
[22:25] <eviladmin> development have been taken over by third party, but don't expect it to live for long
[22:50] <KPI42> Ok, thanks :)
[22:58] <Galactor> Hello! what is a good bluetooth device manager TUI?
[22:58] <tgm4883> ok, running 18.04, how can I run a command on screen rotation?
[22:59] <AndyChow888> tgm4883, xrandr --rotate
[23:01] <tgm4883> AndyChow888: I need to run a command when the screen rotates (eg. when it rotation automatically, via the accelorometer) not how to rotate the screen
[23:02] <TJ-> tgm4883: the iio-sensor-proxy package (if your system has an orientation sensor)
[23:02] <AndyChow888> tgm4883, do you really need that, or do you need to disable the screen rotation?
[23:03] <tgm4883> TJ-: I was hoping there was a way to do it without the iio-sensor-proxy, if only because it seems like there should be since the screen rotates automatically already. But I'll look into that again. (I was hoping UDEV could do it)
[23:03] <tgm4883> AndyChow888: Yes... I'm trying to fix the pen mapping to my screen when it rotates. Not disable screen rotation
[23:06] <TJ-> tgm4883: iio-sensor-proxy is the package that provides all the plumbing; it's part of gnome. which DE are you using?
[23:07] <tgm4883> TJ-: budgie, now that I'm looking at it it's already installed. I guess I should be using that :)
[23:11] <TJ-> tgm4883: test it with "monitor-sensor"
[23:12] <tgm4883> TJ-: just did, seems to be working. Now I just need to figure out how to connect this with the command I want to run
[23:12] <tgm4883> On my previous tablet, I never got it working correct. Wasn't a big deal though because it wasn't a very good tablet/pen
[23:13] <TJ-> tgm4883: usually it's a combination of udev and a call to a script the runs xrandr if X is running (not sure what you'd do for a Wayland based setup)
[23:14] <TJ-> tgm4883: if the orientation is wrong you have to add a matrix to udev's 60-sensor.hwdb. I had to do that for my Asus T300CHI
[23:22] <tgm4883> TJ-: the orientation isn't wrong per se, it's the pen orientation that is wrong when the screen rotates (the pen mapping doesn't rotate)
[23:24] <AndyChow888> You can probably create a service that is triggered when the rotation happens, and rotates the pen orientation. But that's batteries not included type of hack.
[23:25] <tgm4883> AndyChow888: I feel like that's what I had done on my previous tablet. IIRC wrote output of monitor-sensors to a file, watched that file for certain text and then ran a command based on that. But it was really hacky
[23:28] <AndyChow888> You can make a sd-event. works on events, instead of timer.


[19:15] <ComradeHaz`> Hey all. I wish to use MDD. Any advice including way to install and make it run 'automagically' if it is not installed as a service by default.
[19:25] <mrand> MDD = MythDroid?  I don't have any personal experience with it, but superm1 or rhpot1991 might.  Otherwise I'd start by looking on Mythdroid wiki.
[19:25] <ComradeHaz`> Oh, MDD is peculiar to that app?! I see. I understood it that MDD had a range of uses other than just for Mythdroid.
[19:27] <ComradeHaz`> If that's the case I guess I should just follow the instruction on the site :)
[19:41] <mrand> ComradeHaz`: I don't know.... I don't have any personal experience with it.
[19:49] <superm1> never heard of it
[19:49] <superm1> i've used mythmote before
[19:49] <superm1> well currently use it still too :)
[20:04] <ComradeHaz`> superm1, Mythdroid is '2 way' ie displays on the phone what is playing and allows you to browse content
[22:07] <ComradeHaz`> Is there anyone around now who has used Mythdroid?
[23:34] <tzanger> good evening... is there a way I can take an existing ubuntu 10.04 install and change it over to mythbuntu?
[23:34] <tzanger> ie is there a repo I can add and then apt-get install?
[23:48] <tzanger> nevermind, that was a pretty stupid question, mythbuntu-desktop is right in the default ubuntu repo.  Would be nice if something to that effect was specified on the download page :-)


[13:52] <ralsina> alecu, dobey, thisfred, mandel, nessita standup in 5 minute
[13:56] <beuno> karni, ping
[13:59] <ralsina> alecu, dobey, thisfred, mandel, nessita ping?
[13:59] <dobey> hi
[14:00] <alecu> me
[14:00] <mandel> me
[14:00] <ralsina> me
[14:00] <nessita> me
[14:00] <ralsina> ok, alecu, start
[14:00] <alecu> DONE: helped muffinresearch test staging DLDs on lucid, got ticket to dallas, reviews
[14:00] <alecu> TODO: discuss bindwood with thisfred, make mozmill start couchdb instances
[14:00] <alecu> BLOCKED: no sir
[14:00]  * alecu roundhouse-kicks mandel. Drink that Orange Juice!
[14:00] <mandel> DONE: Integration tests for IPC, started to propose merges with changes to allow the use of sync daemon. Added extension for desktopcouch and SSO.
[14:00] <mandel> TODO: Propose merge for desktopcouch with sso code. Talk about Windows port scope and how we can meet it with bosses and such
[14:01] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[14:01]  * mandel dances around ralsina it is his turn!
[14:01] <ralsina> DONE: I have a semi-working development environment now, so I can see your code running
[14:01] <dobey> me
[14:01] <ralsina> TODO: actually start checking it, start with the windows dev. env.
[14:01] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[14:01] <ralsina> nessita?
[14:01] <nessita> DONE: bug 690292, bug 690305, bug 674459, bug 689646, bug 683619, started with bug 690649
[14:01] <nessita> TODO: finished the aforementioned 690649
[14:01] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[14:01] <nessita> NOTES: I need 2 reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/folders-if-new-creds/+merge/43699
[14:01] <nessita> NEXT: dobey
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 690292 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Handle errors when requesting volume list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690292
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 690305 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "File sync status retrieval leaks ugly DbusException to the user (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690305
[14:02] <dobey> λ DONE: 690237, triage, client release
[14:02] <dobey> λ TODO: 683351, 690291, client upload, backports
[14:02] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 674459 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "After machine adding, show folders tab (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674459
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 689646 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Allow subscribe/unsubscribe from UDF list (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689646
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 683619 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unify booleans coming and going from dbus (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683619
[14:02] <nessita> thisfred_: ?
[14:02] <thisfred_> me
[14:02] <thisfred_> DONE:
[14:03]  * ralsina sucks at pinging people
[14:03] <nessita> ralsina: thisfred_ tricked you, he changed his nickname
[14:03] <thisfred_> bindwood TODO: more bindwood
[14:03] <thisfred> also note that this is my last day before EOY
[14:04] <mandel> nessita, ralsina: it is thisfred evil twin brother
[14:04] <nessita> thisfred: WOW
[14:04] <thisfred> actually we're both evil, that's why we're so hard to tell apart
[14:04] <nessita> thisfred: we'll miss you
[14:04] <ralsina> not to mention you guys being named thisfred and thisfred_ shows little foresight by your parents ;-)
[14:04] <thisfred> nessita: well I'm not going away, so I'll be available for crises ;)
[14:04] <ralsina> well, happy holidays, I suppose :-)
[14:05] <thisfred> thanks!
[14:06] <nessita> eom then?
[14:06] <mandel> thisfred: feliz navidad! bon nadal! :)
[14:07] <thisfred> muchas gracias
[14:08] <ralsina> if there are no comments, eom it is
[14:09] <ralsina> whoa, developing u1 equires LaTeX. And of course, it's about 50% of the dependencies :-)
[14:10] <mandel> ralsina: wtf!?!?! we use LaTeX ?
[14:10] <mandel> where is that?
[14:11] <ralsina> well, it's pulled by the dependencies suggested in the Wiki
[14:11] <ralsina> ubuntuone-developer-dependencies
[14:11] <ralsina> 2GB of dependencies to be exact
[14:11] <dobey> brb; it's insanely cold here
[14:12] <ralsina> I even wrote rst2pdf so I wouldn't have to know or install LaTeX. Oh well :-)
[14:13] <mandel> I'm impressed, 2 gb...
[14:44] <karni> beuno: pong
[17:09]  * nessita -> lunchtime
[18:05] <ralsina> people in desktop+ please be nice and put me as your manager in canonicaladmin
[18:06] <nessita> ralsina: you should ask magda to do that, as far as I know
[18:07] <nessita> Chipaca or any other gtk master: would you know how to set a value in a spin button without triggering the signal value-changed? I know I can bypass the callback by using a flag, but seems dirty
[18:08] <dobey> nessita: i don't think there is a way to do that. why do you want to?
[18:09] <ralsina> nessita: well, I can change mine :-)
[18:09] <Chipaca> nessita: in canonicaladmin, click profile, you change your manager there
[18:10] <Chipaca> nessita: set it to "lucio", for extra fun
[18:10] <ralsina> profile, edit, " somewhere in the massive pile of checkboxes"
[18:10] <dobey> oh wow
[18:10] <dobey> it's slightly less ugly now
[18:10] <ralsina> But *I* am not on the list :-)
[18:10] <dobey> but like 100x harder to use
[18:11] <ralsina> So sorry chipaca, I am not a real manager yet, it seems
[18:11] <Chipaca> ralsina: hah!
[18:11]  * ralsina is going to be real someday, like pinochio
[18:11] <Chipaca> nessita: handler_block wouldn't work for you?
[18:11] <nessita> Chipaca, ralsina: loading admin now, is terribly slow
[18:12] <nessita> Chipaca: don't know what that is! /me googles
[18:12] <Chipaca> ralsina: maybe it's smart and won't let you be your own manager
[18:12] <ralsina> chipaca: what are the odds of canonicaladmin being smart? ;-)
[18:12] <dobey> Chipaca: no ralsina doesn't show up for me either
[18:12] <ralsina> but could be
[18:13] <ralsina> So, I ask at #hr right?
[18:13] <dobey> maybe
[18:13] <Chipaca> ralsina: plz
[18:13] <nessita> Chipaca: where can I change my manager? Line Manager(s): 		John Lenton is a read only string
[18:14] <dobey> nessita: click "edit" at the top of the page
[18:14] <nessita> ah!
[18:14] <nessita> can that button be more invisible?
[18:14] <Chipaca> I was trying to find the edit link, but yeah, that
[18:14] <ralsina> wait until you try to save a change ;-)
[18:15] <nessita> yeah, no option for roberto alsina
[18:16] <ralsina> #hr is closed for the day, it seems
[19:17] <alecu> facundobatista, here's the branch that makes zeitgeist optional: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/make-ziggy-optional/+merge/43812
[19:18] <alecu> facundobatista, I've asked mandel to review it, since I've moved the zeitgeist loading code into the platform/linux module also.
[19:18] <alecu> facundobatista, but I can really use a review from someone from #chicharra as well.
[19:20] <facundobatista> alecu, ok
[19:25] <alecu> nessita, approved the udf-subscribe branch.
[19:25] <nessita> alecu: thanks!
[19:31] <nessita> dobey: ping
[19:32] <dobey> nessita: hola
[19:32] <nessita> dobey: do we have a dependencies package to install to cover all depencies to run tests for the client?
[19:32] <nessita> that is some poor english, sorry
[19:32] <nessita> but I think you now what I meant :-)
[19:32] <dobey> depends on how you define "the client" i guess
[19:32] <nessita> dobey: u1-client
[19:33] <dobey> there is a package that was created for the LOSAs to install in the chroot on the server for running tarmac there, but it doesn't have zeitgeist in its deps
[19:34] <nessita> dobey: does it have what's needed for gi.repositor. Soup ?
[19:34] <dobey> nessita: in general, those deps are specified via Build-Depends in the nightlies packages. so if you add the nightlies PPA source repo, you can just do "apt-get build-dep ubuntuone-client" (or libubuntuone, etc)
[19:34] <dobey> yes i think so
[19:35] <dobey> are we using soup in ubuntuone-client?
[19:36] <nessita> dobey: in control panel we are
[19:36] <dobey> ok
[19:37] <nessita> thanks
[19:37] <dobey> nessita: i think gir1.0-soup-2.4 is what provides the Soup gir stuff
[19:37] <nessita> yes, thanks
[19:39] <nessita> dobey: hum, tarmac does not have the patched pylint
[19:39] <dobey> uhm
[19:39] <dobey> "patched" ?
[19:39] <nessita> dobey: do you remember the patch to apply to logic common?
[19:40] <dobey> no?
[19:40] <nessita> dobey: I have you a diff for modutils.py to aply to the pylint package
[19:41] <nessita> before I meant logilab
[19:41] <nessita> let me search the diff
[19:45] <nessita> dobey: http://nessita.pastebin.com/hii8cJZL
[19:45] <nessita> dobey: I have the fragment of the chat available if you need
[19:47] <dobey> nessita: was it on irc? context would be good yes; e-mail it to me please
[19:48] <nessita> dobey: sure. Basics are: we need to apply that patch to logilab sourcecode in ubuntu packages
[19:52] <nessita> dobey: email sent
[19:57] <dobey> nessita: why is ubuntuone-control-panel not using u1lint btw?
[20:00] <nessita> dobey: hum, my bad
[20:00] <nessita> I'll change it in this branch I'm working on
[20:00] <nessita> dobey: does u1lint run pep8 or that should be another call?
[20:01] <dobey> it doesn't run pep8 currently no
[20:02] <dobey> nessita: the ansi coloring and such is annoying, especially when it gets shoved in e-mails and comments on the web, though :)
[20:03] <nessita> yeah, but in the terminal it rocks. Can we somehow make colored output in a terminal and non colored some where else?
[20:05] <dobey> how are you doing it anyway, some pylint option?
[20:12] <dobey> nessita: ah this is to make namespecing work better like for how we do with the ubuntuone sub-packages?
[20:14] <nessita> dobey: yeah, but instead of "work better" I'd say "work" :-)
[20:15] <dobey> nessita: but why does it not fail in our other projects?
[20:15] <nessita> dobey: which other projects?
[20:16] <nessita> dobey: other project should be u1client that doesn't run pylint
[20:16] <nessita> but only pyflakes
[20:16] <dobey> nessita: ubuntuone-dev-tools
[20:17] <nessita> dobey: do you import something from ubuntuone not in the same package?
[20:18] <nessita> for example, ubuntuone.logger provided in u1client
[20:20] <dobey> ah, no. ok
[20:22] <dobey> nessita: looking at the logilab.org ticket again, i'm a bit concerned that we might not be able to put it in ubuntu now. the commentor that suggested the fix seems to suggest that it might break .zip eggs, and it lowers the quality of the error message when it is a valid error?
[20:24] <nessita> dobey: I'm using it since that day, and the errors are not of less quality. I wouldn't know about .zip eggs... haven't used those
[20:24] <nessita> dobey: can't we provide a pacthed modutils within ubuntuone-dev-tools?
[20:25] <dobey> nessita: i'd rather just get it in ubuntu. do you know how to test the change with .zip eggs?
[20:26] <nessita> dobey: nopes, maybe Chipaca can help. Chipaca, would you be able to help with this?
[20:26] <dobey> nessita: and sorry i forgot to get it in earlier. :-/
[20:27] <nessita> dobey: no problem. is this tarmac failing in your computer or in dc?
[20:27]  * Chipaca reads
[20:27] <Chipaca> which is the logilab ticket?
[20:28] <dobey> http://www.logilab.org/ticket/8796
[20:28] <dobey> nessita: u1cp is set up in tarmac on my machine for now
[20:29] <dobey> we desparately need a private cloud with unicorns and free beer
[20:32] <Chipaca> easy enough to try it with a zipped egg
[20:33] <Chipaca> can we apply the fix anyway, as it's an improvement, even if it breaks eggs?
[20:34] <nessita> Chipaca: I think so
[20:37] <alecu> ralsina, the devel instalation you just did... did you do it on natty or on maverick?
[20:37] <ralsina> maverick
[20:38] <alecu> ralsina, I've just installed natty from scratch on my laptop and some dev packages are broken or not built yet :-(
[20:39] <dobey> Chipaca: well, i'm guessing the "getting into ubuntu proper" bit might be harder if it breaks eggs
[20:40] <Chipaca> sorry, I said it breaks eggs, but what i meant was that it breaks for zipped eggs
[20:40] <Chipaca> as opposed to breaking all the time now :)
[20:40] <dobey> Chipaca: i have no problem with it, just trying to validate it one way or the other before suggesting it
[20:40] <dobey> Chipaca: so you verified that it does break zipped eggs?
[20:41] <Chipaca> do we ship zipped eggs in ubuntu at all?
[20:41] <Chipaca> no, I haven't
[20:41] <ralsina> alecu I am trying natty tomorrow on a VBox
[20:41] <Chipaca> I should :)
[20:41] <Chipaca> dobey: give me 10 minutes and I'll do this
[20:41] <dobey> Chipaca: well, we ship python and python supports zipped eggs, so we "support" it by proxy i guess :)
[20:41] <dobey> whether or not we ship any zipped eggs ourselves
[20:42] <dobey> it's sort of like if i make a patch to firefox to fix the giant gaping security hole. it will fix the security, but it might break 99% of the web :)
[20:42] <dobey> but we don't ship any insecure web pages in ubuntu :)
[20:43] <Chipaca> dobey: this is more a fix that moves it from breaking on all instances of one thing to it breaking on a subset of them
[20:45] <dobey> Chipaca: i suppose the correct question is "does it break zipped eggs more than they currently are?"
[20:45] <dobey> Chipaca: which the comment implies it might
[20:46] <dobey> anyway, i'm not trying to get out of doing it. just trying to cover the bases when someone asks me what it breaks with zipped eggs, when i go and submit the patch for inclusion in ubuntu :)
[20:46] <nessita> dobey: not sure if you got the part that currently zip eggs are broken
[20:47] <dobey> nessita: i am merely asking for an elaboration on 'broken' here, and what the diff is between 'broken before patch' and 'broken after patch' for the patch
[20:48] <nessita> dobey: right
[20:48] <dobey> and i don't know enough about the zipped eggs domain to clarify that myself
[20:48] <dobey> but if chipaca does, then yay. i will await his verification :)
[20:52] <nessita> yey!
[21:11] <Chipaca> dobey: I have good news, and bad news
[21:12] <Chipaca> but mostly bad; I can't check with the current logilab-common
[21:12] <Chipaca> need to dig deeper
[21:12] <Chipaca> and I don't look forwards to digging into logilab code
[21:13] <dobey> what's the good news?
[21:19] <dobey> i get the penthouse suite all to myself in dallas? :P
[21:26] <dobey> i guess there wasn't any good news :)
[21:40] <nessita> dobey: in the mean time, could you please pacth your local logilab to be able to land u1cp branches?
[21:42] <dobey> will do better than that
[21:43] <nessita> you will?!?! :-)
[21:44] <dobey> yes
[22:00] <joshuahoover> dobey: is there a good way to handle the use case where a user has network manager but sometimes uses some non-nm connection to the internet (like a usb modem, etc.)?
[22:00] <dobey> no
[22:01] <dobey> well, depends maybe
[22:01] <dobey> if "other method" is "connman" then there is hope
[22:01] <dobey> but if not, then it's basically either or, not sometimes this sometimes that
[22:07] <joshuahoover> dobey: ah, ok...so for those users it's "u1 won't work for you when you're not using nm"
[22:09] <nessita> dobey: would you please let me know when I can re-approve the u1cp branch?
[22:09] <dobey> joshuahoover: yes
[22:09] <joshuahoover> dobey: ok, thanks
[22:09] <dobey> nessita: no, i will just do it when ready :)
[22:10] <nessita> dobey: ok, even better, I gotta go
[22:11] <nessita> bye all!
[22:11] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: welllll
[22:11] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: yes?
[22:11] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: I can give you a longish dbus command they can use to fake nm
[22:11] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: would that work?
[22:11] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: possibly, as a workaround
[22:12] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: i'll leave that up to the user if they want to use it or not
[22:12] <Chipaca> dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon --type=method_call /events com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Events.push_event "string:SYS_NET_CONNECTED" "array:string:"
[22:12] <Chipaca> easy as cake
[22:12] <Chipaca> mmmm cake
[22:13] <dobey> i think you typoed cake there; are you sure you didn't mean to type "cmake"
[22:13] <joshuahoover> heh
[22:14] <Chipaca> nope, was definitely thinking of cake
[22:14] <Chipaca> specifically one of my mom's recipes
[22:35] <dobey> later all
[23:11] <karni> beuno: sorry, the server I keep my session on lost connection.
[23:11] <karni> beuno: we'll be in touch :)


[22:30] <daftykins> well this is the first i've learned of this bombshell
[22:30] <daftykins> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/oct/26/bbc-radio-2-show-vernon-kay-loses-listeners-after-ken-bruce-departure
[22:30] <daftykins> Pop Master... over...!?
[22:39] <zxmpi> who knew that the audience would follow the dj they liked?!
[22:40] <daftykins> haha
[22:40] <daftykins> i wonder if he can still do pop master or if there's a twist
[22:40] <daftykins> oh yes this piece says he does
[22:46] <daftykins> so it's possibly the unveiling of more crApple tat @ midnight, possibly including the M3 chips
[22:47] <daftykins> are you excited!?
[22:47] <daftykins> where's my regular viewing party...
[22:48] <zxmpi> yesteray i installed a shareware version of mahjongg that i last played 30+ years ago in my dos emulator on my linux systems :-)
[22:48] <zxmpi> have put together quite a little dos system on both of my linux systems
[22:48] <daftykins> oh wow
[22:48] <daftykins> i can picture playing with one - i wonder what it was
[22:49] <zxmpi> it was a great version of mahjongg. no nagware or limitations.
[22:49] <zxmpi> playing with a mouse feels like cheating
[22:49] <daftykins> hehe
[22:49] <daftykins> oh yeah i think the one i am partially recalling was cursor keys
[22:50] <daftykins> in fact nope can't be sure
[22:50] <zxmpi> this one you typed the position of tiles like h7
[22:51] <zxmpi> https://www.dosgamesarchive.com/file/mah-jongg-solitaire/mahjongg
[22:52] <daftykins> yes that looks like what i remember!
[22:52] <zxmpi> and that is the best indication of my interest in shiny new apple stuff :-)
[22:52] <daftykins> but i feel like i had mouse control
[22:53] <daftykins> heh
[22:53] <zxmpi> it works with a mouse but 30 years ago in early dos days most people didn't have a mouse
[22:53] <daftykins> well even though their devices and policies are evil, OS is overrated and so on... what they're doing to prove Arm's value is kinda interesting
[22:54] <daftykins> ooh yes i'm just about old enough to remember
[22:54] <zxmpi> risc was always the future, just sheer inertia and intels control of the market and ms's inability to rewrite their software for other processors has stalled it to this point
[22:54] <daftykins> loved the little Apricot (4)? x86s we had early on, after the Apple II
[22:55] <zxmpi> listening to retro computing podcasts and it seems that acorn computers who gave us the arm chip also gave us the networking tech chips that qualcom now sells as their own
[22:56] <daftykins> hmm, i wonder if licenses are in place
[22:57] <zxmpi> was a great line where they were demoing the bbc to bill gates and he went to show him the builtin networking and bill said 'what's a network?'
[22:57] <daftykins> i mean i doubt they do the same job in anything like the same way, more like super vague at a monumentally high level
[22:57] <daftykins> haha yeah i remember hearing of that one
[22:58] <zxmpi> was the mid 80s. having 2 computers in a room was a rareity
[23:00] <daftykins> used to be my Dad's retirement dream to network his old apricot 486s from work days - he's retired now but i don't see any sign ;)
[23:01] <zxmpi> i worry though that as the market moves to custom silicon that generalised computing will be curtailed
[23:02] <zxmpi> here's a device with an os. you won't be able to run any other os
[23:02] <daftykins> yeah their implementation is not a nice one
[23:02] <zxmpi> we'll have to make the eu break some fingers to loosed their grip
[23:03] <daftykins> it will be interesting to me to see if they have been able to push the single-threaded performance more, since the M2 basically didn't change that over M1
[23:03] <daftykins> just need a similarly successful design to make it into production with a conventional motherboard that has slots etc
[23:04] <daftykins> i wonder if it's as simple as Qualcomm being mostly geared toward mobile only that they can't make a good design desktop part
[23:04] <zxmpi> i think qualcomm doesn't want to compete against their customers
[23:06] <daftykins> i can't quite think of who would fit as a customer of theirs that a viable desktop Arm CPU would threaten
[23:12] <penguin42> zxmpi: Hmm where does the idea that Acorn did anything for networking come from?
[23:13] <zxmpi> the bbc micro had networking builtin. it had everything builtin. was why it was so expensive. when the company folded. the arm chips and networking tech was sold off
[23:13] <penguin42> zxmpi: The networking stuff in the beeb (which was optional) was pretty basic, it was a stanard hdlc part
[23:14] <penguin42> daftykins: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-looks-like-the-windows-worlds-answer-to-apple-silicon/
[23:14] <zxmpi> will be interesting to see more arm laptops around
[23:15] <zxmpi> as long as i can bung on linux that is
[23:17] <zxmpi> otherwise they're as useful as windows rt laptops
[23:46] <penguin42> full Windows 11 on ARM these days as far as I understood it
[23:47] <daftykins> penguin42: i did vaguely see a bit about that one but i always gather qualcomm's chips are weak
[23:47] <penguin42> daftykins: Why?
[23:48] <daftykins> seen devs always say they're potatoes for performance
[23:49] <penguin42> hmm, I'd thought they were pretty good
[23:50] <daftykins> certain'y not first-hand comments on my part
[23:50] <daftykins> heh not sure how l became '
[23:59] <zxmpi> performance can be very subjective. i get by 90% of the time in a text editor and a browser. i never edit video or audio or play games needing an expensive gpu