[02:51] <braiam> I want to debug alacarte but there is no debug symbols available, what I should use?
[02:52] <braiam> I need to build the alacarte package with the debug options?
[03:03] <yofel> braiam: unless the package provides it's own debug package we keep the debugging symbols in a seperate repository, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[03:05] <braiam> yofel: I already do that, but there is 'seriously' no debuggin simbols
[03:07] <yofel> braiam: from what I see alacarte is a python package, you don't need debugging packages for python applications
[03:07] <braiam> but the bug 524844 are closed because that
[03:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 524844 in alacarte (Ubuntu) "alacarte crashed with TypeError in on_menu_tree_cursor_changed() (affects: 4) (heat: 7)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524844
[03:09] <yofel> uh... no idea what pedro_ intended there, you would need to talk to him when he's here
[03:09] <yofel> the trace says:
[03:09] <yofel>  Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:09] <yofel>    File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/Alacarte/MainWindow.py", line 387, in on_menu_tree_cursor_changed
[03:09] <yofel>      menu_path = menus.get_path(iter)
[03:09] <yofel>  TypeError: iter should be a GtkTreeIter
[03:10] <yofel> which is a full trace already
[03:10] <yofel> braiam: I'll reopen the bug
[03:11] <braiam> ok. :)
[03:13] <braiam> btw, the bug is old, but it still happen in the resent versions, I should attach my own apport crash report?
[03:16] <yofel> braiam: if you're not totally sure you have the same bug (with the exact same backtrace) you should file a new bug. If possible add exact steps how to reproduce the crash to the report
[05:34] <penalvch> micahg: Just wanted to get back to you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/728778 I'll reverse the Invalid status exactly what you mentioned, how apport for flash does not apply and the issue should be forwarded to Mozilla upstream. The issue is most likely fixed w/ the since updated Flash, but good to keep good triaging procedures. :)
[05:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728778 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "adobe flash player plugin always crashes on youtube (affects: 22) (dups: 3) (heat: 124)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[05:51] <penalvch> micahg: I'll also stick to my knitting (LibreOffice/OpenOffice). :D
[13:28] <somethinginteres> hi all, I'm waiting for a response to this question on the Banshee IRC channel but perhaps someone who is around could offer ubuntu specific advice. I've been asked to install the "debug symbols" package of Banshee to help debug a problem but I've no idea what to do after I have the package installed in terms of providing relevant information. Please see: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652300#c5
[13:28] <ubot4> Gnome bug 652300 in general "Unhandled Exceptions in DatabaseTrackListModel.Reload(Hyena.Data.IListModel): NullReferenceException and System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Array index is out of range." [Normal,Needinfo]
[13:33] <njin> somethinginteres: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingBanshee
[13:35] <somethinginteres> njin: thanks I've already done all that stuff debug logs are attatched but they seem to be asking for more, wanting me to install "banshee-dbg" etc
[14:00] <njin> somethinginters: sudo apt-get install banshee-dbg and run banshee-dbg from terminal, reproduce the bug and attach the generated log
[16:06] <hggdh> somethinginteres: you actually run banshee from the command line, not banshee-dbg. The -dbg (or -dbgsym) packages only contain the symbols
[16:07] <somethinginteres> hggdh: so if I have the -dbg package installed and just run "banshee --debug > debug.log" the extra information (provide by the debug symbols) will make it into the log file?
[16:07] <hggdh> somethinginteres: you also may need more -dbg/dbgsym packages
[16:07] <hggdh> somethinginteres: probably, looging at the log you provided suggests so
[16:08] <somethinginteres> hggdh: suggests that I would need more?
[16:08] <hggdh> somethinginteres: no, I did not see any symbol from other libraries
[16:09] <hggdh> somethinginteres: but YMMV... you have to try and see
[16:09] <somethinginteres> hggdh: OK.  I note that on the Ubuntu wiki there's  a "list-symbols-packages-v2.sh" for finding out what -dbg packages you may need but I couldn't get it work by just running "bash list-symbols-packages-v2.sh banshee"
[16:10] <hggdh> somethinginteres: yeah... I am still to look at this script. I updated it sometime ago, but it does not seem to be working anymore
[16:10] <hggdh> sorry
[16:11] <hggdh> and I am traveling in a few, will not have time to look at it before I board
[16:11] <somethinginteres> hggdh: that's OK hopefully I don't need any extra.
[16:12] <somethinginteres> hggdh: I've now just got to try and get the program to crash. It's seemingly random I couldn't work out what was causing it so I'm hoping it just --happens--
[16:17] <hggdh> somethinginteres: good luck ;-)
[16:18] <somethinginteres> hggdh: thanks for the help!
[20:30] <CarlFK> duh... how do I search to see if  a bug has been reported?
[22:59] <njin> hello, can someone triage bug 787488 ? thanks
[22:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 787488 in ubuntu "natty install problem: package vlan is missing (affects: 2) (heat: 233)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787488
[23:53] <braiam> oddly, I hit this link on a mail, and lp can't found the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/709365
[23:53] <ubot4> braiam: Error: Bug #709365 is private.
[23:57] <penguin42> yeh odd the GUI doesn't find it at all


[12:28] <profoX`> kiko-afk: hi; are you there?
[12:28] <profoX`> kiko-afk: (ping)
[12:58] <LaserJock> cprov: OK, question. in the binary .changes files the Maintainer: is set to the buildd
[12:59] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, are you checking the dogfood UI ?
[12:59] <LaserJock> cprov: so for amd64 I get Maintainer: Ubuntu/amd64 Build Daemon <buildd@>
[12:59] <LaserJock> for i386 I get Maintainer: Ubuntu/i386 Build Daemon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:00] <cprov> LaserJock: oops, selenium.ppa (amd64) isn't building a correct changesfile...
[01:01] <elmo> cprov: fix /home/buildd/.sbuildrc - unfortunately you'll need to do this everytime you reinstall sbuild
[01:01] <elmo> err, launchpad-buildd.deb I mean
[01:02] <elmo> cprov: our xen-guest-create-instance script fixes it, but subsequent installs of launchpad-buildd.deb will break the file again
[01:02] <elmo> cprov: I'll ask adam to look at fixing launchpad-buildd.deb
[01:02] <cprov> elmo: thank you !
[01:04] <elmo> [we should probably consider fixing that 'Ubuntu/' hardcodedness at somepoint too, to be PPA/ instead]
[01:54] <profoX`> kiko-afk: [ping]
[05:53] <jml> I just got an email from Launchpad asking me to approve a new member of a dev team I'm on
[05:53] <jml> The email's 'To: ' header included all of the other admin's email addresses.
[05:54] <jml> That seems vaguely distasteful.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> this is a problem?
[05:54] <jml> Hobbsee: not really. It's just a little surprising.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> any admin can approve or decline a new member
[05:54] <mpt> How many admins are there?
[05:54] <jml> Hobbsee: well, it's more than their email addresses were visible to me
[05:54] <jml> mpt: six
[05:54] <Hobbsee> they tend to be on LP anyway.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hi mpt
[05:55] <mpt> In theory if you're a team admin you should be able to see the e-mail address of any current/prospective member anyway
[05:55] <jml> Hobbsee: yeah, but I don't normally get auto-generated bulk email that includes lots of email addresses.
[05:55] <mpt> (e.g. to ask "why do you want to join this team?")
[05:55] <jml> mpt: yeah, I don't think it's a problem per se
[05:55] <mpt> hi Hobbsee :-)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:25] <carlos> morning
[09:43] <Hobbsee> morning carlos
[09:44] <carlos> Hobbsee: hey
[09:58] <SteveA> morning!
[09:58] <Hobbsee> morning SteveA!!!
[10:11] <HampusW> How long do you need to wait for your rosetta translation to get reviewed? Is there any way to get it approved faster?
[10:18] <carlos> HampusW: do you mean your contributed translations as suggestions? or a file upload?
[10:19] <HampusW> I mean an uploaded pot-file.
[10:20] <carlos> HampusW: we are a bit behind with that. I'm catching up this week, usually, it should not take more than a couple of days to get an approval or an email from us asking for more info.
[10:20] <carlos> HampusW: which project are we talking about? I can do the review right no
[10:20] <carlos> now
[10:20] <HampusW> Wubi
[10:21] <HampusW> Ok. Everything is hosted on launchpad, so there's no risk for duplicate translations or anything at least...
[10:22] <HampusW> thanks in advance!
[10:22] <carlos> HampusW: I guess you are one of its maintainers, aren't you?
[10:23] <HampusW> yep
[10:23] <carlos> indeed, most active user in Launchpad for that project ;-)
[10:23] <carlos> do you have any translation already?
[10:24] <carlos> if you do, please upload them too
[10:24] <HampusW> carlos: yep, a couple.
[10:24] <HampusW> Ok, we will do. They had some errors in them before though.
[10:24] <carlos> translation errors or syntax errors?
[10:24] <HampusW> I am an admin for Wubi, but it seems only the registrant can upload translation files?
[10:24] <HampusW> encoding errors
[10:25] <carlos> HampusW: your .pot file is approved, it should be imported any time in next hour
[10:25] <HampusW> ok, thanks alot!
[10:25] <HampusW> we will be able to upload new files without approval now? some po-files for example...
[10:25] <carlos> HampusW: initial upload and .pot updates is restricted to the registrant
[10:26] <carlos> HampusW: translation uploads are restricted to the teams doing translations
[10:26] <HampusW> ok
[10:26] <carlos> if you use OPEN permissions, anyone will be able to do it
[10:26] <HampusW> ok, thanks for all the info!
[10:26] <carlos> HampusW: yeah, if you upload them to the correct template I just approved, they will be automatically approved
[10:26] <carlos> well, if you use the right language code as file name for the .po file
[10:26] <HampusW> ok
[10:27] <carlos> about the encoding problems, if you give me more information I could try to help you solving those issues
[10:28] <HampusW> I have already solved it. Just converted a file that was expected to be in latin-1, but was in utf-8, to a po-file.
[10:28] <HampusW> I wrote some scripts to convert between po-files and nsis scripts =)
[10:29] <carlos> nsis scripts?
[10:29] <HampusW> the Wubi installer is written in NSIS (NullSoft Install Script)
[10:30] <HampusW> NSIS doesn't natively support gettext, but now we can use it anyway. Quite nice!
[10:30] <carlos> indeed :-)
[10:33] <HampusW> I just uploaded a po-file for swedish. It has to be approved too?
[10:34] <carlos> HampusW: no, it will be imported automatically
[10:35] <HampusW> ok, nice.
[10:35] <HampusW> You are a rosetta developer? or just launchpad overall?
[10:36] <carlos> HampusW: Rosetta developer
[10:37] <HampusW> ok. cool project.
[10:37] <HampusW> You don't need any more developers, do you?
[10:38] <carlos> HampusW: for Rosetta, we are right now already three developers
[10:38] <HampusW> ok, nice
[10:40] <HampusW> I'll stick with wubi then. Just ask if you need help with something though...
[10:41] <carlos> HampusW: sure, thank you!
[10:56] <HampusW> carlos: just one more question. I uploaded a swedish po-file. When I view the translation page for swedish there are 0 msgs and 0 to do... is this the way it should be?
[10:57] <carlos> that's due to a bug in our UI that shows the template before it's actually imported
[10:57] <HampusW> I chose "Published upload" when uploading... might just take more time...
[10:57] <HampusW> ok, so I just wait?
[10:57] <carlos> yeah
[10:57] <HampusW> ok, no problem then!
[10:57] <carlos> for the .pot file you will not get a notification email if it works (we have a bug to fix this, we should notify you always)
[10:58] <HampusW> ok
[10:58] <carlos> once the .po file is imported you will get an email either with a failure error or a successful one
[10:58] <HampusW> that's nice
[10:59] <HampusW> can I upload a bunch of po-files at once? without being the registrant I mean...
[11:03] <carlos> hmm, only if you are the owner of the template
[11:04] <carlos> HampusW: you can create a team and give it the ownership of that template if you don't want to use a Team as the registrant of your project
[11:04] <HampusW> carlos: ok, cool.
[11:05] <HampusW> carlos: Thank you for all the help! I think I kind of know what's going on now :)
[11:06] <carlos> np
[11:54] <mantiena> Hi all
[11:54] <HampusW> hi
[11:57] <mantiena> SteveA: labas
[12:11] <mantiena> pochu: hi
[12:11] <pochu> hi mantiena
[12:13] <mantiena> maybe today there are some launchpad admins, who can register new Baltix distro  release ? I know only kiko and SteveA, but now both are away :(
[12:15] <mantiena> Hobbsee:  hi, maybe you have needed rights to register new Baltix distro release - http://launchpad.net/baltix/+addrelease ?
[12:16] <pochu> mantiena: she doesn't.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> what?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> no, i dont
[12:16] <mantiena> :(
[12:16] <pochu> mantiena: this might help you: https://launchpad.net/~admins/+members
[12:16] <mantiena> pochu: thanks
[12:21] <SteveA> mantiena: sveikas!
[12:23] <mantiena> SteveA: :)
[12:24] <mantiena> SteveA: I can't use launchpad as bug tracking system for Baltix, because I can't register nor new release, nor new milestone  for about 1 year :(
[12:24] <mantiena> SteveA: please, help us
[12:25] <SteveA> mantiena: I don't really know the implications of doing that.  This is something kiko and statik need to discuss with you.
[12:28] <mantiena> SteveA: ok, I will talk with statik and kiko-afk
[12:29] <mantiena> SteveA: you will come to Lithuania this summer ?
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #117929 in soyuz "Distribution's PPA page says "PPA of Ubuntu"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117929
[12:45] <mantiena> btw, how PPA works in launchpad ? When I press on PPA in launchpad.net/baltix I get an empty page :(
[12:49] <BjornT> mantiena: cprov is the one to talk to about PPA. he should come online in a few hours.
[12:50] <mantiena> ok
[01:01] <SteveA> mantiena: I'll be at europython
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #117940 in malone "mono memory corruption g-thread (dup-of: 117774)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117940
[02:08] <cprov> morning, guys.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> morning cprov
[02:12] <cprov> Hobbsee: hey, how are you today ?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> cprov: i'm fighting labview, but otherwise good )
[02:19] <cprov> Hobbsee: I've never tried it on linux.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> this is on XP, as that's where i happen to have a cd for
[02:20] <statik> mantiena: hi
[02:22] <cprov> Hobbsee: :P
[02:22] <Hobbsee> it's....well, it's windows.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> enough said, really
[02:23] <Hobbsee> but there is putty, so it's livable.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> in small doses.
[02:25] <cprov> Hobbsee: let's just drop this conversation :)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:33] <mantiena> statik:  so, maybe you have needed rights to register new Baltix distro release - http://launchpad.net/baltix/+addrelease ?
[02:33] <mantiena> statik: I can't use launchpad as bug tracking system for Baltix, because I can't register nor new release, nor new milestone  for about 1 year :(
[02:33] <statik> mantiena: I was just asking you to explain the situation in a privmsg, why did you switch to here?
[02:34] <mantiena> statik: sorry, it was easier to repeat my messages there ;)
[02:51] <mantiena> ubotu: bug #58250
[02:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58250 in launchpad "Unofficial distribution releases should not be allowed to use milestones" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58250
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #117958 in malone "Passing a list in the bug search crashes the widget" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117958
[03:59] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development.
[03:59] <SteveA> who is here today?
[03:59] <barry> me
[03:59] <matsubara> me
[03:59] <kiko> em
[03:59] <Rinchen> me
[03:59] <allenap> me
[03:59] <mwh> me
[03:59] <mpt> me
[03:59] <salgado> me
[03:59] <sinzui> me
[03:59] <mthaddon> me
[03:59] <statik> me
[03:59] <ddaa> me
[03:59] <SteveA> jknowles sends apologies. he\s not well today
[03:59] <BjornT> me
[04:00] <carlos> me
[04:00] <bigjools> me
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <danilos> me
[04:01] <SteveA> jtv?
[04:01] <flacoste> me
[04:01] <matsubara> SteveA: salgado needs to be afk for 10 min.
[04:01] <SteveA> thanks matsubara
[04:01] <SteveA> stub?
[04:01] <cprov> me
[04:01] <danilos> SteveA: he's out, holiday in Thailand or something
[04:01] <danilos> SteveA: probably the same with stub
[04:01] <kiko> thai holidays
[04:01] <carlos> same for Stub
[04:01] <jamesh> me
[04:01] <SteveA> ah.  they should note that on the MeetingAgenda page, ideally.
[04:02] <bac> me
[04:02] <schwuk> me
[04:02] <SteveA> I stub
[04:02] <SteveA> Hi stub
[04:03] <stub> hi
[04:03] <stub> me
[04:03] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )
[04:03] <SteveA>
[04:03] <SteveA> Rinchen: ?
[04:03] <SteveA> ah
[04:03] <SteveA> you said "me"
[04:03] <SteveA> cool
[04:03] <Rinchen> I can see me again :-)
[04:04] <SteveA> next meeting -- same time next week?
[04:04] <SteveA> any national holidays?
[04:04] <SteveA> vacations?
[04:04] <flacoste> the answer tracker team (me and sinzui) will be sprinting
[04:04] <matsubara> SteveA: next thursdays is a Brazilian national holiday
[04:04] <kiko> SteveA, matsubara: I am likely to be around
[04:05] <SteveA> ok, arrange for *someone* to do the oops report
[04:05] <Rinchen> I think I owe matsubara a cover or two.
[04:05] <SteveA> the next meeting will be this time next week
[04:05] <SteveA> actions from last meeting...
[04:05] <SteveA>  * kiko to get [https://launchpad.net/bugs/86185 bug 86185]  (Librarian "500 Internal server error"s (when uploading) should generate an OOPS, and include the OOPS code in the error to the client) scheduled for some release soon, pretty please
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86185 in launchpad "Librarian "500 Internal server error"s (when uploading) should generate an OOPS, and include the OOPS code in the error to the client." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:06] <kiko> I did that
[04:06] <SteveA> thanks
[04:06] <SteveA>  * stub to discuss rationale for voice calls as opposed to other mediums with SteveA and report
[04:06] <stub> Not done
[04:06] <SteveA> ok
[04:06] <kiko> SteveA, who's the assignee for that fix? it's 1.1.6
[04:06] <SteveA> is anyone other that stub concerned about the strength of rationale for voice calls?
Higher bandwidth</rationale>, no?
[04:07] <SteveA> that's part of it, but I don't want to discuss this now
[04:07] <kiko> SteveA, I think stub is crying because he's in thailand. :)
[04:07] <SteveA> I want to know whether this is an issue just between me and stub
[04:07] <SteveA> or whether it is a wider issue
[04:07] <SteveA> flacoste: not convinced of the value of voice calls?
[04:07] <ddaa> No issue, but curious to see the rationale laid out.
[04:07] <flacoste> SteveA: the value of using a voice call every time
[04:07] <stub> I find voice a terrible medium for discussing technical stuff. Similar to reading URLs over a telephone
[04:08] <stub> Ok for vagaries, but details better over IRC or email.
[04:08] <bigjools> I find a combination of voice and IRC to be quite good
[04:08] <SteveA> the voice call is primarily to confirm things.  email or specs for the tech details
[04:08] <danilos> I feel about the same, nothing if not a combination of the two
[04:08] <flacoste> SteveA: for simple bugs, a simple irc chat could be enough
[04:08] <SteveA> I think it's important to have the voice call available, offered each time
[04:09] <SteveA> it should be skipped because it would be literally a no-op, not because it's inconvenient or any other reason
[04:09] <jamesh> I definitely find that some things are better over voice and some things better over IRC
[04:10] <SteveA> one important thing about having voice calls is to discuss the issue a little and trigger those associations
[04:10] <SteveA> with other parts of the system, or issues not considered yet
[04:10] <SteveA> which don't get voiced when you just read some spec
[04:10] <SteveA> so, to make it clear, I'm not saying "the discussion takes place via a voice call only@
[04:11] <SteveA> "
[04:11] <stub> Its easier to pretend your not drunk when typing too
[04:11] <SteveA> I'm saying "the discussion must involve a voice call"
[04:11] <SteveA> stub: what do they call robutussin in thailand?
[04:11] <stub> I don't know what they all it anywhere...
[04:11] <SteveA> it can cause memory loss
[04:12] <barry> maybe we should let the market decide?  iow, the two people in the review should agree on the best medium or combination of media, with the additional burden of reporting back to the team on the success or problems with their choice.  then after a couple of weeks we can get a better sense of the natural and most effective way to communicate?
[04:12] <SteveA> the rule is, a voice call must always be offered, explicitly
[04:13] <SteveA> let's see how that goes and report back
[04:13] <SteveA> moving along...
[04:13] <mpt> My current branch seemed simple enough just to discuss on IRC, so that's what I did, and now it's over 2000 lines, and a voice call might have avoided that. IMO.
[04:13] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:13] <matsubara> Thanks flacoste for fixing bug 116920
[04:13] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 117452, 86361
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116920 in launchpad-answers "Empty search on answers.launchpad.net causes oops" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116920 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117452 in malone "Code that parses bugtracker urls need to handle urls with no protocol specified" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117452
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)
[04:13] <matsubara> Anyone from the Bugs team want to take bug 117452?
[04:13] <matsubara> stub, news about 86361?
[04:13] <stub> Haven't looked at it
[04:14] <BjornT> matsubara: how often does the oops in bug 117452 happen?
[04:14] <matsubara> BjornT: not often.
[04:14] <matsubara> stub: could you look at it this week?
[04:15] <matsubara> stub: after the +translations timeout, it's the next top timeout oops
[04:15] <stub> Yes. I should have looked at it this week sorry, as it was brought up at last weeks meeting.
[04:15] <stub> There may be a magic wand in this case, which I might try...
[04:16] <kiko> stub, repacking etc? :)
[04:16] <stub> Changing our old GIST indexes to newer GIN indexes available in PG 8.2
[04:16] <BjornT> matsubara: i'd say mark it as fix-it-friday and leave it unassigned until someone has time to fix it (or it starts happening more frequently)
[04:16] <stub> Slower inserts, much faster selects
[04:16] <matsubara> BjornT: will do.
[04:16] <kiko> BjornT, such an easy bugfix though..
[04:17] <matsubara> thanks stub and BjornT.
[04:17] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done here.
[04:17] <SteveA> thanks matsubara
[04:18] <BjornT> kiko: yeah, it is. i can probably get to it quite soon.
[04:18] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:18] <Rinchen> Congrats to jamesh and stub for fixing bug 90384, Contrats (again) to flacoste for fixing bug 116920, Congrats to bigjools for fixing Bug 117723
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117723 in soyuz "override generation broken for gutsy" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117723 - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)
[04:18] <Rinchen> Bug #65800, first reported on 2006-10-12  - Launchpad, Critical, unassigned. mthaddon, can you take this?
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65800 in launchpad "staging. and demo. should obviously be demos" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65800
[04:18] <Rinchen> Bug #107912, first reported on 2007-04-19, (Private), mthaddon - Critical, in progress. mthaddon, Staging is working and production seems to be ok. What further actions are needed to close this?
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private
[04:18] <mthaddon> sure
[04:18] <jamesh> Rinchen: stub takes credit for the last bit of 90384
[04:19] <cprov> 117723 cherrypicked in drescher
[04:19] <kiko> cprov, which one is that? the fix for cjwatson?
[04:19] <bigjools> and cjwatson takes credit for spotting the problem in 117723
[04:19] <mthaddon> Rinchen: need to rollout out cherry pick and apply apache config updates for 107912 - expected done within the next few days
[04:19] <cprov> kiko: yes
[04:19] <Rinchen> mthaddon, thanks.
[04:20] <kiko> thanks bigjools and cprov for that
[04:20] <Rinchen> I'd also like to publicly thank mthaddon for all of his efforts. I think he's doing a great job.
[04:20] <Rinchen> SteveA, done.
[04:20] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen
[04:20] <SteveA> we note mthaddon's efforts
[04:20] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:21] <SteveA> no new proposed tags
[04:21] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:21] <mthaddon> Production rollout and move to new release cycle
[04:21] <mthaddon> Had an outage yesterday on DB server (email thread explains)
[04:21] <mthaddon> Demo now using mpt's fonts branch
[04:22] <mthaddon> Langpack restore back to every day
[04:22] <kiko> thanks mpt!
[04:22] <mthaddon> SteveA: that's it from me
[04:22] <SteveA> mthaddon, jamesh: what's the story on the app server db reconnection code?
[04:22] <SteveA> do we need to add more logging there to see what happened?
[04:22] <SteveA> can we test it out on staging?
[04:23] <mthaddon> I think that would be a good idea (testing on staging)
[04:23] <SteveA> please can we get a bug filed on "db reconnection code didn't work"
[04:23] <jamesh> SteveA: it probably indicates a hang withing psycopg or libpq
[04:23] <SteveA> so we can track this issue
[04:23] <kiko> didn't work eh?
[04:23] <jamesh> I'd love to know how to reproduce ...
[04:23] <ddaa> demo fonts, love it
[04:23] <mthaddon> should it have worked for that long of an outage? (15 mins)
[04:23] <SteveA> bullet through the db server
[04:24] <flacoste> mthaddon: what about the current requested cherry pick?
[04:24] <mthaddon> flacoste: if you mean yours, it hasn't been approved yet
[04:24] <flacoste> (i requested a cherry pick for bug
[04:24] <flacoste>  116920
[04:24] <flacoste>
[04:25] <flacoste> bug 116920
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116920 in launchpad-answers "Empty search on answers.launchpad.net causes oops" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116920 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:25] <jamesh> mthaddon: after the meeting, can we discuss how to collect some data on the problem next time?
[04:25] <mthaddon> jamesh: sounds good
[04:25] <flacoste> kiko, do you approve that cherry-pick?
[04:25] <kiko> flacoste, yes
[04:26] <flacoste> mthaddon: there it's approved ;-)
[04:26] <mthaddon> flacoste: ok, I'll apply it today if you can update the page to show kiko's approval
[04:26] <kiko> thanks
[04:26] <flacoste> mthaddon: already done
[04:26] <mthaddon> thx
[04:26] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:27] <stub> Apart from wanting to change our full text indexes to the newer version, nothing to reprot.
[04:27] <SteveA> thanks stub
[04:27] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:27] <Rinchen> I'm tracking one open high priority, 27951 - statik's prototyping machine.  We had a large number of tickets close this week and a few older ones arrive from the incoming queue.
[04:27] <statik> Rinchen: we've got that machine now
[04:28] <statik> Rinchen: dunno whether the ticket is closed or not, but it's completed from my perspective
[04:28] <ddaa> Thumper has an outstanding RT against securing the http service on vostok (RT 28084). We are going to need a resolution to this before 1.1.6.
[04:28] <Rinchen> ok, thanks. the ticket is still open.
[04:28] <SteveA> Rinchen: do you have access to alter the launchpad RT queue yet?
[04:28] <Rinchen> SteveA, no.
[04:28] <SteveA> Rinchen: ok, that's a top priority, so you can effectively manage these requests.
[04:28] <Rinchen> SteveA, that ticket is 27320
[04:29] <SteveA> thanks
[04:29] <Rinchen> ddaa, got that. I'll add that to the list.
[04:29] <Rinchen> Anything else?
[04:29] <Rinchen> SteveA, done.
[04:29] <SteveA> thanks
[04:30] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:30] <mrevell> Before and during my holiday, there was an interesting discussion on launchpad-users regarding a possible Launchpad etiquette document. A strong view was expressed by three participants, in particular, that anonymity is an important way to avoid harassment from other Launchpad users. SteveA suggested a Launchpad community team to act as a contact point for people experiencing harassment.
[04:30] <mrevell> After some discussion about the community team, I'll draft the first version of the etiquette guide. I'd also like to try to understand how big a problem harassment via Launchpad is.
[04:30] <mrevell> Any feedback the team has would be most appreciated on the launchpad-users list.
[04:30] <mrevell> Thanks
[04:30] <SteveA> mrevell: I'm going to summarize on that launchpad-users thread
[04:30] <SteveA> mrevell: I don't want to encourage more discussion on there
[04:30] <mrevell> SteveA: Great, thanks.
[04:31] <kiko> mrevell, I don't think harassment is actually a concrete problem.
[04:31] <mrevell> ok
[04:31] <SteveA> mrevell: I think it's time to draw the thread to a close, not discuss more
[04:31] <kiko> I think it's a handwavy potential risk
[04:31] <kiko> my 2c
[04:31] <mrevell> I've not heard reports of actual harassment, only the fear of its potential.
[04:31] <SteveA> kiko: I think it's important we have a point of contact if people are harassed.  That is enough for now.
[04:31] <mrevell> cool
[04:32] <ddaa> my understanding is that personal information visible in launchpad can lead to harassement outside of launchpad
[04:32] <SteveA> mrevell and I will draft something minimal that reflects what we need.
[04:32] <SteveA> we don't need to discuss this issue any more here today.
[04:32] <SteveA>  * How pre-implementation phone calls are going (barry)
[04:33] <kiko> exposure to sunlight can also increase the risk of skin cancer.
[04:33] <kiko> etc
[04:33] <barry> SteveA: i haven't heard much feedback from people, either positive or negative.  i don't know how many have actually been conducted
[04:33] <SteveA> how can we find this out, moving forward?
[04:33] <barry> has anybody actually /had/ pre-impl phone calls yet?
[04:34] <salgado> not me
[04:34] <flacoste> jtv had one with me
[04:34] <BjornT> i had with jtv, abel and schwuk (as a reviewer)
[04:34] <cprov> not me
[04:34] <ddaa> stuff I'll be working on has already been discussed at length with thumper and jml on a variety of medium including IRL...
[04:34] <barry> reviewers should be asking their branch submitters about this, so i think we need to report on this during the reviewers meetings
[04:34] <bigjools> not really started anything that required one yet
[04:34] <ddaa> I've seen thumper express the same situation
[04:35] <ddaa> that he lacked preimpl call for something that he discussed at length with other people, but not with an official "preimpl" call.
[04:36] <barry> ddaa: i think that's okay.  i think all  of the branches i've reviewed were started before we asked for pre-impl reviews
[04:36] <SteveA> bigjools: sometimes I only find out something benefited from a call after I'd had the call.
[04:36] <BjornT> barry: i'll bring it up on the au meeting
[04:36] <barry> BjornT: awesome, thanks
[04:37] <barry> BjornT: i try to at least read the email reports you send out! :)
[04:37] <bigjools> SteveA: what I mean is that I've not started a new branch other than a very quick fix that needed to be done yesterday
[04:37] <SteveA> ddaa: if something has been discussed, and it wasn't called "a pre-implementation call", but on reflection, that was what it was about
[04:37] <bigjools> SteveA: otherwise I've been working on an existing branch
[04:37] <SteveA> ddaa: then we can still call that a "pre implementation discussion"
[04:37] <barry> SteveA: agreed.
[04:38] <cprov> bigjools: but even for those simple fixes we always discuss the basic directions on IRC/Gobby, it's just not on phone
[04:38] <barry> i say we defer this for now.  we'll have more new branches next week
[04:38] <bigjools> cprov: yes indeed
[04:38] <cprov> I usually have such brainstorms with kiko before starting a new task
[04:39] <barry> ok, done
[04:39] <SteveA> thanks barry
[04:39] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )
[04:40] <matsubara> TEAM: infrastructure
[04:40] <matsubara> DONE: triage, oops reports, staging testing before rollout, fixed oops in product release traversal, production rollout, database config rework to allow getting rid of zopeless DA, SSO planning and code reviews, fix Librarian front page copyright dates.
[04:40] <matsubara> TODO: triage, oops reports, implement launchpadlibrarian domain, apache load balancer on beta, ORM integration, more SSO work
[04:40] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no.
[04:40] <mpt> TEAM: UI
[04:40] <mpt> DONE: bug page work (mpt), tour work (Victor)
[04:40] <mpt> TODO: login/registration redesign, bug page (mpt); bug 94323 (Victor)
[04:40] <mpt> BLOCKED: bug 117917 / bug 117921 is a small problem for Victor
[04:40] <barry> TEAM: mailing lists
[04:40] <barry> DONE: merged 2.1 upstream to sourcecode/mailman; phase 3 spec completed; review by stevea; 1 of 3 reviews by sabdfl
[04:40] <barry> TODO: 2 more reviews w/sabdfl; incorporate latest round of comments
[04:40] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94323 in launchpad "Large headings appear under tabs or push search field under tabs" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94323 - Assigned to Victor Zambrano (victor-choosebrilliant)
[04:40] <ubotu> Bug 117917 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/117917 is private
[04:40] <flacoste> TEAM: answer-tracker
[04:40] <flacoste> DONE: next release cycle planning, much discussion about specs, work on filtering languages in question searches, many bugs fixed (#94094, #116920, #51433, #116790)
[04:40] <flacoste> TODO: answer tracker sprint
[04:40] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[04:40] <ubotu> Bug 117921 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/117921 is private
[04:40] <salgado> TEAM: FOAF
[04:40] <salgado> DONE: Landed fix for bug 53637, planning for 1.1.6 and lots of discussions
[04:40] <salgado> TODO: Finish fix for bug 70519
[04:40] <salgado> BLOCKED: no
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53637 in launchpad "Adding team 'Foo' as a member of team 'Bar' should require confirmation from one of the administrators of 'Foo'" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53637 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70519 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:40] <BjornT> TEAM: bug tracker
[04:40] <BjornT> DONE: Trying to get the fix for bug 81014, implemented MotuBugPermissions spec, started working on bug 6572 and 58388.
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81014 in malone "Don't assume entered package is a binary package" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81014 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 6572 in malone "In distribution bug searches, it should be possible to filter out bugs with open upstream tasks" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6572 - Assigned to abel (adeuring)
[04:40] <statik> TEAM: Commercialization
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58388 in malone "Implement a tag command in the email interface" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58388 - Assigned to Dave Murphy (schwuk)
[04:40] <statik> DONE: vacation, reviews, salesforce integration, 1.1.6 specs, recruiting, prototyping, monitoring, customer interactions
[04:40] <statik> TODO: salesforce integration, reviews, 1.17 specs,
[04:40] <statik> BLOCKED: no.
[04:40] <BjornT> TODO: Bjorn and Gavin will be sprinting and start working on BugWorkflow, David and Abel will continue fixing bugs.
[04:40] <BjornT> BLOCKED: bug 81014 can't be landed before intermittent errors in buildd-queuebuilder.txt are resolved (pending answer from cprov)
[04:40] <Rinchen> mpt blocked. Bjorn blocked.
[04:40] <danilos> TEAM: Translations
[04:40] <danilos> DONE: Gutsy translation opening tested and started, bug #88873 postmerge review, 1.1.6 planning, TranslationImportQueuePriorities, #116196 in review, #116197 landed, #116200 in review, #46156 in review, #32471 in review.
[04:40] <danilos> TODO: finish open stuff (bugs #40550, #46156, #32471, #116200, #116196), document new distro release opening for translations, work on new suggestions filter, plan 1.1.7.
[04:40] <danilos> BLOCKED: No
[04:40] <cprov> TEAM: Soyuz
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88873 in rosetta "Add a way to hide all translations for a distro releases" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88873 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:40] <cprov> DONE: general fixing, keep PPA-beta
[04:40] <cprov> TODO: 1.1.6
[04:40] <cprov> BLOCKED: None
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40550 in rosetta "Further filtering options for the Queue" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40550 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46156 in rosetta "Broken .po file format export for Quanta" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46156 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32471 in rosetta "display differences from upstream" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32471 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:40] <ubotu> Bug 116200 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/116200 is private
[04:40] <ddaa> DONE: launchpad smart-server in review, private branches progressing on target, code-import doc and specs, fixed a few loggerhead bugs
[04:40] <ddaa> TODO: retarget existing codehosting tests to test both sftp and bzr protocols (will catch gaps in smart-server implementation), more private branch tests, more code-import speccing, code-import content-type and views.
[04:40] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no (except for RT mentioned before)
[04:41] <bigjools> cprov: you forgot my upload-notifications change :)
[04:41] <cprov> bigjools: general-fixing, but yes, I should have done something more accurate, sorry.
[04:42] <cprov> BjornT: I'm answering that. The tests pass on my machine
[04:42] <SteveA> mpt: noted about 117921
[04:42] <cprov> BjornT: I'm not sure what to do about that.
[04:43] <BjornT> cprov: ok
[04:43] <SteveA> cprov: is it a sort-order problem?
[04:43] <cprov> SteveA: no, that's an extra/unexpected result
[04:44] <SteveA> ok
[04:44] <cprov> SteveA: the sorting thing was in poppy tests and I think mthaddon has *sorted* it already
[04:44] <SteveA> that's all folks
[04:44] <SteveA> thanks for being here and keeping it on topic
[04:44] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:44] <carlos> thanks
[04:44] <stub> Infrastructure call 15 mins?
[04:44] <SteveA> yep
[04:45] <BjornT> allenap: re the test failure, do the tests fail on a fresh rocketfuel branch as well?
[05:52] <mantiena> cprov: BjornT told me, that I should ask you about PPA, so, I'm asking:
[05:52] <mantiena> cpov: how PPA works in launchpad ? When I press on PPA in launchpad.net/baltix I get an empty page :(
[05:53] <cprov> mantiena: just a second, I'm on meeting.
[05:53] <mantiena> ok
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117977 in launchpad-answers "Who added an answer contact should be tracked" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117977
[06:07] <cprov-lunch> mantiena: I will talk to you when I'm back, ok ?
[06:14] <mantiena> cprov-lunch: ok
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #117993 in launchpad "Database reconnection code can get stuck" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117993
[07:00] <cprov> mantiena: ping
[07:14] <eudoxos2> Hello, I am from yade-team on launchpad, we just started using bzr. Is  there a way to have e-mails sent to some special address after each commit? (I found the bzr-email project, but I was not able to see whether it is deplyed at launchpad.net or not?)
[07:15] <gnomefreak> if you subscribe to a branch it should ask if you want to get emails about changes and give you a couple of choices
[07:16] <eudoxos2> thanks, gnomefreak, will check that out.
[07:16] <gnomefreak> yw im going on memory so it might have changed
[07:27] <jcs> with blueprints, is a project expected to have its own wiki for posting specs on, or is there an area on launchpad for this?
[07:29] <salgado> jcs, they're expecte to have their own wikis
[08:01] <eudoxos2> One more question, without wanting to start some flame. Compared to SVN, launchpad's bzr seems very slow on checkout, even --lightweight. We got to 30kb/s which is not much. Is it that the server is overloaded?
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #118007 in launchpad "comment spam" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118007
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #117914 in launchpad "Step by step howto instead of Launchpad scattered answers.  " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117914
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #108091 in hplip "Dist-upgrade from Edgy to Feisty: could not install 'hplip'" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108091
[08:34] <profoX`> kiko: ping?
[09:01] <beuno> welcome DrainBamage
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #118016 in launchpad-answers "There is no search portlet on an Answer ticket" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118016
[09:16] <carlos> enjoy!
[09:28] <mantiena> cprov: pong
[09:29] <cprov> mantiena: wonna talk about PPA ?
[09:33] <mantiena> yea
[09:34] <mantiena> cprov: and you ? ;)
[09:34] <cprov> mantiena: yup
[09:38] <kiko> profoX`, pong.
[09:38] <profoX`> kiko: oh there you are.. :) do you remember me, from the mailing list?
[09:39] <kiko> profoX`, I'm only half-here, but sure I do
[09:39] <cprov> mantiena: did you get my pvt messages ?
[09:40] <profoX`> kiko: hey, if you're too busy, it can wait..
[09:40] <kiko> profoX`, yeah, it would be better to chat tomorrow.
[09:40] <profoX`> kiko: okay :)
[09:44] <kiko> profoX`, oh, you're wesley!
[09:44] <kiko> hang on there.
[09:44] <profoX`> kiko: yea I am
[09:45] <kiko> profoX`, launchpad.net/~wesley is now free. take it!
[09:47] <profoX`> kiko: wow, thanks :) ! I got it..
[09:47] <kiko> enjoy
[09:47] <profoX`> kiko-afk: great; now I can have a good looking email forward ^^ thanks
[09:47] <kiko-afk> :)
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118033 in rosetta "@@/remove and the link to +remove are not denoted as requiring special access" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118033
[10:25] <bdmurray> what is the preferred way to report spammed bugs?
[11:16] <Rinchen> bdmurray, comment spam or spam via bounced messages?
[11:19] <bdmurray> comment spam
[11:20] <Rinchen> I suppose there are two methods: 1) contact an admin on this channel or 2) file an aswers ticket against the Bug Tracker with the bug number in question.
[11:21] <Rinchen> I think the people with super powers to handle that are not around at the moment.
[11:21] <Rinchen> You can also post it to launchpad-users if you feel that would be better.
[11:22] <bdmurray> being subscribed to the ubuntu-bugs mailing list I see it a bit and wanted to know how to report it
[11:23] <Rinchen> basically we'd have to identify if it was intentional or not and if it was a single user or wide spread.
[11:23] <Rinchen> So, we'd need bug reports that have examples of the spam
[11:23] <Rinchen> i.e. bug numbers
[11:24] <bdmurray> bug 56816 is one
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56816 in ubiquity "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56816
[11:42] <Rinchen> bdmurray, thanks. I'll contact someone about that.
[11:42] <bdmurray> cool, thank you
[11:44] <Rinchen> bdmurray, I actually found a bug with the exact issue
[11:44] <Rinchen> bug 56816
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56816 in ubiquity "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56816
[11:44] <Rinchen> bdmurray, 118007 seems to be the bug report on that so you can subscribe to that one


[09:40] <Daviey> superm1_: any news on mythbuntu.org; I tried phoning imbrandon the other day - but no reply
[09:57] <superm1_> Daviey, you here?
[09:57] <superm1_> yet
[09:57] <superm1_> you tried to phone him too?
[09:58] <Daviey> yeah
[09:58] <Daviey> the other day.. no reply
[10:03] <superm1_> Well i phoned him friday
[10:03] <superm1_> and spoke for a moment
[10:03] <superm1_> and have had a few line of text here and there
[10:03] <superm1_> but nothing that explains whats going on here even
[10:04] <superm1_> i contacted someone in canonical to see the feasibility of hosting on a canonical box, and it looks like we'd be able to fit into the loco team boxes
[10:04] <superm1_> so i'm giving imbrandon till tomorrow to get a reasonable explanation
[10:04] <superm1_> and/or up and running
[10:04] <superm1_> otherwise, i'll get the ball rolling on setting this up on another box
[10:08] <superm1_> this whole thing really isn't cool though
[10:08] <superm1_> none of /var/www is backed up - including the new theme, and also the gpg key for the package signer is on there
[02:56] <DaveMorris> anyone know when does the dow jones start trading?
[03:10] <laga_> no
[03:11] <DaveMorris> I wiki'ed it
[03:11] <DaveMorris> was wondering how it'll take the market news today
[03:11] <laga_> market news?
[03:12] <laga_> i didn't have time for a long breakfast so i just skipped through the newspaper
[03:12] <DaveMorris> they closesd down 3% yesterday
[03:12] <DaveMorris> FTSE100 is currently 3% down again, big losers are all banks
[03:13] <DaveMorris> Central banks world wide are pumping alot more money in than normal
[03:15] <laga_> weather is totally fscked up here
[03:15] <laga_> it's august and it's raining all the time
[03:15] <DaveMorris> it was like that here (UK) for all of June/July
[03:16] <laga_> well
[03:16] <laga_> that's normal for UK, though
[03:16] <laga_> imho ;)
[03:16] <DaveMorris> not really
[03:17] <laga_> it's actually cold
[06:33] <superm1_> keescook, you here?
[06:45] <laga_> hey superm1_
[06:45] <superm1_> hey laga_
[06:45] <laga_> superm1_: i checked out falcon from bzr last night and played with buildd support. it's not quite there yet but looking good
[06:46] <superm1_> laga_, does it use pbuilder or sbuild?
[06:46] <superm1_> or do its own thing
[06:48] <laga_> superm1_: it uses pbuilder
[06:48] <superm1_> ah so you can use pbuilder-gdebi for it
[06:49] <laga_> superm1_: well, you can specify your own build command.. i filed a few bug reports which were closed as invalid. he doesn't want bug reports because it's not a release yet
[06:49] <laga_> yes
[06:49] <superm1_> laga_, your on kubuntu right?
[06:49] <laga_> yes
[06:50] <superm1_> can you check out the bzr branch for mythbuntu-control-centre, and just run the script (dont build the package)
[06:50] <superm1_> and see if it detects your system correctly
[06:50] <superm1_> it won't make any modifications yet, i'm just working on the system query stuff for it
[06:51] <laga_> sure
[06:53] <laga_> my gutsy pbuilder is still broken. *sigh*
[06:54] <laga_> well, might just take some time for de.archive.ubuntu.com to update
[06:54] <keescook> superm1_: here, but distracted.  lirc upload?
[06:54] <superm1_> keescook, yes if possible :)
[06:54] <superm1_> how'd you know?
[06:54] <superm1_> bug 129038
[06:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129038 in lirc "lirc overwrote my lircd.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129038
[06:55] <keescook> I saw the bug mail go by.  :)
[06:55] <keescook> rawk, I'll get it spun up, I've doing some other sponsoring right now too
[07:09] <laga_> superm1_: the control centre depends on the lirc module i guess
[07:09] <superm1_> yes laga_
[07:09] <superm1_> you can comment those lines out for now
[07:09] <superm1_> if you dont have it installed
[07:09] <superm1_> its just 3 includes
[07:09] <superm1_> err imports
[07:09] <laga_> i'll just install it
[07:09] <superm1_> (the code to use it to write out the results isn't in yet)
[07:28] <jams> control center that depends on lirc..sounds interesting
[07:28] <keescook> superm1_: lirc uploaded.  :)  thanks for tracking down the fixes.
[07:28] <superm1_> thanks keescook
[07:28] <superm1_> jams, http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre
[07:28] <laga_> jams: it depends on a lirc module for the control centre :)
[07:28] <superm1_> you can see some captures from yesterday's gui, i'm still working on more
[07:28] <laga_> superm1_: i'll try it later, gotta run to the shops now
[07:29] <jams> interesting..looks good
[07:30] <jams> isthat gtk?
[07:30] <superm1_> yes
[07:31] <superm1_> it will be usable as a mythtv installer on ubuntu boxes, or a control area on mythbuntu boxes
[07:32] <jams> for the remote's do youhave a largish collectin or lirc files?  I'm thinking of settings up something to get them all in one place.  Specificly for cable boxes
[07:32] <superm1_> jams, are you on gutsy?
[07:32] <superm1_> you can see what is there for the collection
[07:32] <jams> oh no...
[07:32] <superm1_> lirc now ships a lirc.hwdb
[07:32] <jams> at the risk of being yelled at, i'm not a ubunta person
[07:32] <superm1_> which maps remote names to module lists and a lircd.confs
[07:33] <superm1_> so upon lirc install now, you choose your remote, and it preloads the appropriate modules and lircd.conf
[07:33] <superm1_> and saves those settings for the next boot
[07:33] <jams> right..makes perfect sense
[07:33] <superm1_> to generate a lircrc, foxbuntu and i wrote mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[07:33] <superm1_> which parses the lircd.conf
[07:33] <superm1_> and makes a sane lircrc
[07:34] <superm1_> and now this control centre further expands upon that by making it easy to choose your remote and change and regenerate from a gui
[07:35] <superm1_> also, gutsy ships with all the lirc modules prebuilt in the linux-ubuntu-modules package
[07:35] <superm1_> so you won't need to recompile any of them yourself upon kernel upgrades
[07:35] <superm1_> not an ubuntu person?  what brings you in here then :)
[07:36] <jams> oh i see..it's something recent with lirc
[07:37] <superm1_> yea the ubuntu media center guys have a pretty in depth lirc spec to fix things upstream
[07:37] <superm1_> and make it more pleasant
[07:37] <superm1_> i've worked with them on improving the ubuntu side of things
[07:37] <superm1_> for now, for gutsy, until everything is sane upstream
[07:38] <jams> got it.
[07:39] <jams> to answer your question, i'm just interested in how mythbunta is getting along.
[07:39] <jams> gotta keep laga_  on his toes!
[07:40] <superm1_> well having the website down has really been bad...
[07:40] <jams> yes i imagine it would be
[07:41] <superm1_> and no one can get ahold of imbrandon to get a straight answer out of him
[07:41] <superm1_> he hasn't responded to my last email
[07:41] <superm1_> and we're running on a week now of downtime
[07:41] <jams> i don't know if things are free for you or not. But i have found linode to be a good hosting company.
[07:42] <superm1_> well imbrandon was hosting for free for us
[07:42] <jams> little light on performance (as they are virtual machines)  but it'w workedwell for me
[07:42] <superm1_> if he doesn't come back around i'm gonna move things over to a canonical server
[07:43] <superm1_> only problem is that I wouldn't have root on such a box likely, so some of the nicer things that were done (cd builds need root), will need to be done locally and uploaded
[07:43] <jams> understand that
[07:43] <superm1_> but i'd prefer to not invest money in hosting, i already invest enough time here :)
[07:43] <jams> yep
[07:44] <jams> does mythbunta have an /etc/mythbunta-release file  or some other way to brand it as mythbunta  vs ubunta?
[07:46] <superm1_> well since everything is uploaded in ubuntu archives, its more of a reconfiguration of ubuntu rather than a derivative
[07:46] <superm1_> that can easily be switched between having a desktop or not
[07:47] <jams> hmm ok
[07:50] <superm1_> after that control centre is finished up, adding the desktop role back to an mythbuntu box should just be a matter of checking one of those radio buttons
[07:52] <jams> i asked because i'm working on a project that will report back the os  and hardware config for a mythbox.  I thought reporting back mythbunta of ubunta might have some value, but it doesn't matter to me.
[07:52] <superm1_> Report back to where?
[07:53] <jams> for now it will report back to me and i will publish the results.  But depending how things go it could end up on mythtv.org.
[07:53] <jams> i'm just thinking out loud, nothing set in stone
[07:54] <jams> forget i mentioned it until i have something more concrete =)
[07:55] <superm1_> well i say this because are you intending this to go into mythtv?
[07:55] <superm1_> as an option to report back?
[07:55] <jams> yep
[07:55] <superm1_> an opt in sort of thing
[07:55] <jams> yep
[07:55] <superm1_> have you talked to the devs about it?
[07:55] <jams> yep
[07:56] <superm1_> and how was their feedback?
[07:56] <jams> please, i would hate it  if my mythbox reported back somehting that i couldn't view or initiate
[07:57] <superm1_> well hence it being op-in
[07:57] <jams> correct
[07:58] <superm1_> well i think it sounds like quite a useful idea
[07:58] <jams> thats the general reception, with concerns of privacy and all that jazz
[07:59] <jams> don't go stealing my idea!
[07:59] <superm1_> haha, don't worry
[07:59] <superm1_> i'd rather see it upstream rather than a mythbuntu specific thing either way
[08:00] <jams> oh course
[08:01] <jams> but in terms of myth  i see value in mythbunta vs ubunta
[08:01] <superm1_> well i'm not sure there will be much of a distinction any more should this control centre pick up
[08:01] <superm1_> and people start to use it to manage/do regular installs
[08:03] <jams> so the control centre will/might end up in the ubunta repo?
[08:03] <jams> if so then i see your point
[08:03] <jams> any way i should get back to work, nice chatting with you
[08:04] <superm1_> okay see you
[08:13] <laga_> superm1_: did you see axel thimm's offer?
[08:13] <laga_> he offered you webspace on atrpms
[08:13] <superm1_> No?
[08:13] <laga_> you already have an account there
[08:13] <superm1_> oh i forgot i have space there
[08:13] <superm1_> that's right
[08:14] <superm1_> laga_, what offer are you referring to?
[08:14] <laga_> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283399#283399
[08:15] <superm1_> ah yes
[08:15] <superm1_> i wouldn't have seen that until later tonight
[08:15] <superm1_> when i opened up tbird
[08:15] <superm1_> well at least for -fixes for now, i guess that can work
[08:15] <laga_> i could offer lots of webspace, too, but i'm too concerned about distributing stuff like libdvdcss and friends
[08:16] <superm1_> although ppa might make more sense
[08:16] <superm1_> for the -fixes
[08:16] <laga_> yes
[08:16] <laga_> does it already work?
[08:16] <superm1_> well kinda
[08:16] <superm1_> the uploads have to be timed right
[08:17] <superm1_> so that you don't build mythplugins until mythtv has built
[08:17] <laga_> so it doesn't work
[08:17] <laga_> :)
[08:18] <jams> no idle chit chat..back to work!
[08:18] <superm1_> if anything, i'll do the builds on ppa, and sync them to atrpms
[08:18] <superm1_> with falcon
[08:19] <laga_> jams: what work? :)
[08:21] <laga_> i wonder why apt keeps complaining about unsigned packages from de.archive.ubuntu.com on my box
[08:21] <laga_> maybe i'm missing a key from my keyring
[08:22] <laga_> dput is also not very useful with falcon since you can't easily pass it a component
[08:24] <laga_> superm1_: control centre fails with "IOError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf'
[08:24] <laga_> "
[08:24] <laga_> i've touched the file and it's working
[08:24] <laga_> maybe such things could be handled more gracefully
[08:24] <superm1_> laga_, ah that's another thing that is in gutsy packages
[08:25] <superm1_> oh but only if mythtv-database exists
[08:25] <superm1_> good point
[08:26] <laga_> let me know when the control centre is ready to be translated
[08:26] <superm1_> how to get it translatable, i'm not sure
[08:27] <laga_> superm1_: control centre detects "kubuntu desktop" as "desktop role" if that's what you wanted to know
[08:27] <laga_> superm1_: the control centre looks very good, btw. great job.
[08:28] <superm1_> laga_, okay great so it saw kubuntu-desktop
[08:28] <superm1_> good good
[08:29] <superm1_> tell me great job once it does things :)  at this point it's a glorified app for gathering info :)
[08:30] <laga_> i had another interesting idea but i forgot. duh.
[08:30] <laga_> superm1_: are we already loading nividia-settings when starting X?
[08:30] <superm1_> yes
[08:30] <laga_> good good
[08:30] <superm1_> in the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package's login script at least
[08:30] <laga_> that's good enough :)
[08:30] <superm1_> if its a desktop, then its up to the user
[08:31] <laga_> superm1_: it's written in python and glade, right?
[08:31] <superm1_> yes
[08:32] <laga_> i'll found how to translate stuff
[08:33] <superm1_> i think the same way ubiquity handles it is likely the way to go
[09:07] <laga_> superm1_: seems like intltool is the way to go for translations
[09:08] <superm1_> laga_, the way that ubiquity does it, all text is in the .templates file in debian/
[09:08] <superm1_> and then in the initialization stage, it's overridden appropriately
[09:10] <laga_> superm1_: ubiqity seems to be using intltool
[09:10] <superm1_> is it a python module?
[09:11] <laga_> hum
[09:11] <laga_> DESCRIPTION intltool-extract  extracts  strings  in the specified XML/INI type SOURCE_FILE and writes them into a C header file. Then xgettext(1) can merge these strings  inside  header  file into po template.
[09:11] <laga_> intltool-extract  is  usually  not  executed manually, but called from intltool-update(8) instead.
[09:12] <laga_> i'll play around with it and let you know
[09:12] <superm1_> k
[09:17] <laga_> seems to be easy
[09:18] <superm1_> well if you want to add translation support to, be my guest :)
[09:19] <laga_> i'm going to
[09:19] <laga_> need some food first
[10:02] <borga2> Does anyone know which version of v4l-dvb that comes with ubuntu 7.04?
[10:03] <superm1_> borga2, it's the version that shipped with the kernel in 7.04, nothing special
[10:03] <superm1_> its not a special snapshot after that kernel release
[10:04] <borga2> Hmm actually it is version 2.6.21 of the kernel
[10:05] <superm1_> 7.04 shipped with a 2.6.20 kernel i had thought?
[10:06] <borga2> yes that's right, so I thought that v4l was a separate module/program
[10:06] <laga_> this i18n business is confusing
[10:07] <superm1_> well v4l is indeed a sep project, but they are included in the kernel now.   so development happens outside the kernel tree
[10:07] <superm1_> but they regularly sync in
[10:08] <borga2> the problem is that i extracted the latest version to help me get rid of a problem with my nova-t 500 card. So I downloaded latest hg version
[10:08] <superm1_> right
[10:08] <borga2> But I ended up with a broken knc1 card and a what seems to be a working nova?! :-(
[10:09] <superm1_> oh that's quite a shame
[10:09] <borga2> So I would like to downgrade to a previous working version to try to locate the problem.
[10:09] <laga_> use git-bisect?
[10:10] <borga2> And that is?!
[10:10] <laga_> google?!
[10:11] <borga2> hehe
[10:11] <borga2> google works, but it's allways easier to get some actual hands on help


[12:04] <fego> \/7
[18:49] <XtremeWiz> Hi
[18:50] <XtremeWiz> Is this where to ask for getting an ubuntu cloak?
[18:51] <Myrtti> yup
[18:51] <XtremeWiz> Okay, to whom do I ask?
[18:51] <XtremeWiz> https://launchpad.net/~amalmurali47
[18:51] <XtremeWiz> This is my launchpad profile
[18:51] <Myrtti> you're not a Ubuntu member?
[18:56] <XtremeWiz> member?
[18:56] <XtremeWiz> What do you mean?
[18:57] <XtremeWiz> Myrtti: do I need to register an openPGP key adn sign the code of conduct?
[18:57] <Myrtti> well that's a start, but you need a bit more than that
[18:57] <Myrtti> !member


 🥲🥲 i cant able to clickCursor moving slow : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/99486296/file_55479.jpg
 While updating (re @milesdredd: )
[01:34] <cyskus> Hello, I have recently completed the update to Kubuntu 22.04 and have found that any KDEsu prompt always gives a "permission denied" error.  Entering the exact same password for sudo in Konsole works so I am unsure as to why the elevation fails in this context.  Is there anything that I should try to resolve this issue?  Thanks in advance.
[01:42] <cyskus> I should mention that I can also run "su - $USER bash" without an authentication error, however running said command results in the error "/usr/bin/bash: /usr/bin/bash: cannot execute binary file".  I have run the same update to Kubuntu 22.04 on my laptop with no issues, so I'm not sure what differed that broke one but not the other.
[01:58] <cyskus> Odd, now that I check back on the laptop I get the same error.  I can see that KDEsu is running sudo as a subprocess but I noticed an error in the terminal output: "kf.su: [ ./src/stubprocess.cpp : 225 ]  Unknown request: "stop"".
[01:59] <cyskus> I see the mentioned "unknown request" error output when attempting to run the following command: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/kf5/kdesu -c ksystemlog
[02:04] <cyskus> Running "sudo debsums -s" doesn't report any package corruption (aside from one file that I modified in deadbeef).  I'll try rebooting to see if it's a first-boot issue.
 My distributor upgrade window not responding only a black screen
 And in terminal its showing Trace/breakpoint  trap (core dumped)
 But i cant able to use tht terminal
 My distributor upgrade window not responding only a black screen
 And in terminal its showing Trace/breakpoint  trap (core dumped)
 But i cant able to use tht terminal
 Update was completed 78%
[02:30] <cyskus> In case anyone is interested, I have found that the issue that I have been having is a reported bug with kdesu in Kubuntu 22.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+bug/1965439
[02:31] <cyskus> I found this bug listing by searching for some of the syslog messages that I encountered while diagnosing the issue.   How to show progress bar or anything in Dolphin, so while I searching files I know the searching still in progress or finish ?
[03:35] <akrogun> I'm using Kubuntu 21.10, Dolphin 21.08.1
[04:20] <akrogun> Oke, after updating to ppa backport, now Dolphin show progress bar while searching file.
[04:21] <akrogun> Thank you... have a nice day, guys
[09:43] <Guest25> Hello, I have made a fresh install of Kubuntu 22.04, and have a following problem - I cant launch driver manager. When I go to settings, and then click on the button, xterm window opens asking for password. So then I specify it, something gets printed and then it closes very quickly, I was never able to make a screenshot in time
[09:43] <Guest25> Maybe someone has an idea how to debug it?
[09:58] <mcox> Upgrade from 21.10 -> 22.04 is not available everyone ..
[09:58] <mcox> sorry
[09:58] <mcox> is * now * available
[09:59] <mcox> '# pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE'  does the trick
 you can also use apt from console right ?
[10:46] <mcox> I just updated 21.10 -> 22.04 - total time was about 40 mins and everything works fine
[10:46] <mcox> the desktop is more responsive also it seems .#
[10:47] <mcox> very happy with the update !
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:00] <Guest25> 0
[12:00] <Guest25> I have made a fresh install of Kubuntu 22.04, and have a following problem - I can't launch driver manager. When I go to settings, and then click on its button, xterm window opens asking for password. So then after I specify it, something gets printed in the console and afterwards it closes very quickly, so I was never able to make a screenshot in
[12:00] <Guest25> time. I am not sure how to provide more logs in this case. Maybe someone has some idea and could help me?
[12:09] <Guest25> It seems I got following error:
[12:09] <Guest25> "Authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified
[12:09] <Guest25> qt.qpa.xcb: could not connect to display :10.0
[12:09] <Guest25> qt.qpa.plugin: Could not load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" in "" even though it was found.
[12:09] <Guest25> This application failed to start because no Qt platform plugin could be initialized. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.
[12:09] <Guest25> Available platform plugins are: eglfs, linuxfb, minimal, minimalegl, offscreen, vnc, wayland-egl, wayland, wayland-xcomposite-egl, wayland-xcomposite-glx, xcb."
[12:17] <Guest25> Okay, seems like sudo cp ~/.Xauthority /root helped
 Anyone know why this happens to my PC every once a day : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/685db05e/file_55485.jpg
 No idea, but I like this one better ;)
 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/skwd17/kwin_decided_to_provide_me_with_a_piece_of/
 Not sure, but I have seen those kind of artifacts with faulty hardware and because of too much overclocking the GPU (re @Udit2050: )
 well i have a new mobo so its not a hardware problem maybe it could be cord or socket problem
[18:16] <shood> hello
[21:00] <yuri6037> Hi, I'd like help to re-install my linux laptop. My laptop is a system76 oryp7 currently running PopOS. Until now I was running kde installed on top of pop-desktop. Unfortunatly, the latest update broke everything so I'm now searching for a better way to get a stable kde install. For security reasons, both SSDs are LUKS encrypted. My question is as follows, given 2 LUKS encrypted SSDs the smallest allocated to the root file system (/) and the second
[21:00] <yuri6037> allocated to home (/home), is there any way to install KUbuntu on the root file system SSD, replacing all data currently on it but keeping LUKS, and re-using the /home SSD untouched?
[21:01] <yuri6037> Of course I do know the decryption passwords for both SSDs
[21:17] <ILOVEROCKANDROLL> eine frage
[21:23] <mparillo> Zero answers.


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[02:09] <rmwb> how would one request a refresh of the AARNET archive mirror?
[02:09] <rmwb> nearly all the Australian mirrors seem to be a bit behind... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[05:02] <rmwb> thank you, mysterious sysadmin ;)


[01:01] <ScottK> Darkwing: Yes.
[05:59] <jussi> good morning all
[09:18] <Riddell> tidy upo ti
[09:18] <Riddell> tsk
[09:18] <Riddell> tidy up time
[10:55] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:06] <shadeslayer> could someone on quantal test KDevelop from https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[11:07]  * Riddell tries
[11:08] <shadeslayer> if all goes well, I'll upload to -proposed
[11:10] <Riddell> ug
[11:10] <Riddell> error dialogue "Plugin 'Git Support' could not be loaded correctly and was disabled.
[11:10] <Riddell> Reason: git is not installed."
[11:10] <Riddell> which will be because this is a new install
[11:10] <Riddell> then crash
[11:11] <Riddell> ug
[11:11] <Riddell> second time it runs but when I click on Review tab it crashes
[11:11] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:12] <shadeslayer> does it work fine once you install git?
[11:13] <Riddell> third time it seems to run fie
[11:13] <Riddell> fine
[11:15] <shadeslayer> hmph
[11:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you have a backtrace that we can send?
[11:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can't recreate it now :(
[11:21] <shadeslayer> maybe it disabled that plugin?
[11:21] <Riddell> hum well I guess you should find someone else to test, that was hardly successful
[11:22] <shadeslayer> !testers
[11:22] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental < KDevelop needs testing
[11:22] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's up for the ping? ah OK wait
[11:22] <Riddell> mm, got the Review one again
[11:22] <shadeslayer> specifically for quantal
[11:22] <shadeslayer> whoo
[11:26] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/577580/
[11:27] <Riddell> it is reproducable, just remove git, start kdevelop, enable the plugin in Settings and switch to Review tab
[11:27] <shadeslayer> well ... that backtrace is of no use
[11:27] <Riddell> no it has no useful thread there that I can see
[11:28] <shadeslayer> whooo
[11:28] <shadeslayer> schedule is up
[11:28] <Riddell> schedule?
[11:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, how about this, kdevelop should depend on git-core
[11:28] <shadeslayer> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/2012-10-29/
[11:29] <shadeslayer> primarily because when developing for kde, you'd need git anyway
[11:29] <yofel> what happens if you do the same with some other $VCS?
[11:29] <yofel> kdevelop has support for a few
[11:29] <shadeslayer> svn?
[11:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: not unless the part you're working on is in svn
[11:29]  * shadeslayer installs kdevelop on precise to check
[11:30] <shadeslayer> not to mention my install is all sorts of fscked
[11:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I downgraded to the kdevelop in quantal and it has the same issue
[11:30] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:30] <yofel> hm, now it only shows svn and git here
[11:31] <shadeslayer> "WebScale Packaging and Main Promotions"
[11:31] <shadeslayer> xD
[11:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: nvm, I was mixing up qtcreator and kdevelop as I seldomly use either of them
[11:33] <shadeslayer> oic
[11:34] <shadeslayer> here's what I think, upstream enables git plugin by default, which means they expect distros to make sure instaling kdevelop users also install git-core
[11:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how do you trigger the crash?
[11:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: what are we tidying?
[11:39] <shadeslayer> sigh, most Kubuntu sessions are on Tuesday, when I'm on volunteer duty
[11:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can we move some tuesday sessions to Wednesday?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> or should I just move my volunteering to Wednesday?
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: anything that needs it?
[11:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've not looked at the sessions yet, I think I can do scheduling so I'll move them about
[11:42] <shadeslayer> cool
[11:43] <shadeslayer> we have 1 session on Monday, 4(!) sessions on tuesday, 1 on Wednesday, None on Thursday
[11:44] <Riddell> none on thursday is sensible, that means we can add them during the week
[11:44] <shadeslayer> right, but all the sessions got clustered on Tuesday :P
[11:44] <Riddell> yeah, I can fix that when I get onto it
[11:45] <shadeslayer> sure
[12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: my kitchen :P
[12:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Schedule looks like it worked out well.
[12:54]  * ScottK is just glad our stuff is on there.
[12:56] <shadeslayer> heh yeah
[12:58] <shadeslayer> I wonder when I suggested shipping nm-vpnc
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: a few days ago when someone complained that the option is there and does nothing
[13:26] <shadeslayer> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/17/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t22:15
[13:26] <shadeslayer> I guess I did
[13:26] <shadeslayer> and a couple of minutes later I went to sleep
[13:26] <shadeslayer> no wonder why I don't remember it
[13:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: gj
[13:28] <apachelogger> yofel: aren't the deps broken when the option is there but does not work?
[13:28] <apachelogger> i.e. nm-kde uses a plugin system IIRC
[13:28] <yofel> well
[13:28] <yofel>   Suggests: network-manager-vpnc
[13:29] <apachelogger> EWRONG
[13:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:31] <apachelogger> someone write a webapp to track SRUs
[13:31]  * apachelogger is totally not able to remember all the crap
[13:31] <yofel> use tags
[13:31] <yofel> EWRWORKFL
[13:31] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what that means
[13:32] <yofel> EWRONGWORKFLOW (felt too long :P)
[13:32] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:32] <shadeslayer> bug 1048082
[13:32] <apachelogger> yofel: WRGNWRKFLW
[13:32] <apachelogger> learn sms spelling for crying out loud :P
[13:33] <shadeslayer> aye, apachelogger's SMS speak makes more sense :P
[13:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:33] <apachelogger> also it has le typo
[13:33] <apachelogger> caps--
[13:33] <yofel> good point
[13:33] <shadeslayer> I can approve my own SRU bug for raring
[13:33] <shadeslayer> not sure if advisable
[13:34] <apachelogger> approve?
[13:34] <apachelogger> only ubuntu-sru can approve shit :P
[13:34] <shadeslayer> idk
[13:34] <yofel> you mean open the bug task? And dev can do that as long as he has upload rights
[13:34]  * apachelogger preps digikam sru or something
[13:34] <shadeslayer> clearly I'm all powerful : http://i.imgur.com/L99Ug.png
[13:35] <apachelogger> that's a nomination
[13:35] <apachelogger> any dev can approvae/decline a nomination
[13:35] <apachelogger> though it is funny that for you it does not auto-approve ^^
[13:35]  * apachelogger never has to approve his own nominations
[13:35]  * shadeslayer approves and preps raring upload
[13:35] <apachelogger> is raring open yet?
[13:35] <yofel> I don't think so
[13:35] <shadeslayer> I can just stage it in my ppa no?
[13:35]  * apachelogger is totally not following ubuntu-devel anymore
[13:36] <yofel> my last upload got into the approval queue
[13:36]  * apachelogger slaps shadeslayer
[13:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your changelog entry in digikam is still not SRUable
[13:37] <apachelogger> "* Update install files"
[13:37] <apachelogger> also it still misses stuff
[13:37] <shadeslayer> I thought you said that it was fine earlier >.>
[13:37] <apachelogger> also not-isntalled is not updated
[13:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I complained about that right after you pushed
[13:37] <shadeslayer> it isn't?
[13:38] <apachelogger> me@novalis:~/src/bzr/digikam$ less debian/not-installed |grep kconf_up
[13:38] <apachelogger> ./usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/adjustlevelstool.upd
[13:38] <shadeslayer> right
[13:38] <shadeslayer> wait
[13:39] <shadeslayer> hm, not sure what a appropriate SRU entry would be for shipping adjustlevelstool.upd
[13:40] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299755
[13:42] <shadeslayer> I hate changelogs :|
[13:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also stuff in not-installed is still not installed or documented
[13:43] <apachelogger> ./usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/imgur.png
[13:43] <apachelogger> and the likes
[13:44] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/577646/
[13:44] <shadeslayer> auto-explainatory? those images are trademarked iirc
[13:44] <shadeslayer> and upstream does not ship a appropriate license for the same
[13:44] <apachelogger> document
[13:44] <apachelogger> and report upstream
[13:45] <shadeslayer> and shouldn't they ship those icons with oxygen?
[13:46] <apachelogger> why?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> No ship it with nitrogen instead
[13:48] <shadeslayer> oh boy
[13:48] <shadeslayer>   * digikam 3.0.0 uses features from unreleased kdegraphics >=4.10 & ships
[13:48] <shadeslayer>    a private version of the kdegraphics libs - this is not the Debian way :-(
[13:48] <shadeslayer> and fun :    * Suspend digikam-dbg >130Mb
[13:50] <apachelogger> it's the digikam way
[13:51] <apachelogger> we should talk to sune about it
[14:04]  * apachelogger preps digikam precise sru
[14:05] <apachelogger> No primary archive build or not targetting main|restricted -> not cleaning l10n content.
[14:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be having a uds session to write a whitepaper on how exactly l10n crap is supposed to work nowadays
[14:06] <shadeslayer> does anyone who's attending UDS know how l10n crap works?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^
[14:06] <apachelogger> *supposed* to work
[14:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 658047 & bug 781728 precise SRU
[14:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you fix0r changelog?
[14:15] <apachelogger> no
[14:15] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: so..... no default page one for netbook as semi-workaround for now?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you have a look at  : http://paste.kde.org/577646/
[14:16] <shadeslayer> and see if that's suited for a SRU
[14:16] <apachelogger> yah
[14:16] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes sounds like the best workaround
[14:35] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: we ship whatever .po files upstream ships with the packages and language-pack-kde-xx is a meta package to install upstream lanuage packs like kde-l10n-xx
[14:36] <apachelogger> and what about non-KDE apps?
[14:36] <apachelogger> and what about desktop files?
[14:36] <apachelogger> and how does not get missing translations for say kile
[14:36] <apachelogger> (kile having a kile-i18n package)
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: desktop files in universe aren't stripped so they're just upstream
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: everything fixed and uploaded to bzr branch
[14:38] <Riddell> non-KDE apps in universe aren't stripped, the translations are in the packaes
[14:39] <shadeslayer> let me know if you still face issues
[14:39] <Riddell> kile-l10n should be added to the language-pack-kde-xx meta packages
[14:39] <yofel> how does debian handle that? (kile-l10n for example)
[14:39] <Riddell> they don't as far as I know, you just need to know to install kile-l10n
[14:39] <yofel> ah
[14:39] <Riddell> kile's always been in universe so there's no change to it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw what do we do about KDevelop?
[14:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: SRU if the team will agree to it?
[14:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: and what about firefox for example?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> idk ... maybe ask upstream what the best way to go about it would be?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: because I can't trigger the crash ok precise
[14:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: same as always, language-pack-fr-base recommends firefox-locale-fr
[14:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well it's not a regression so no change there
[14:43] <shadeslayer> right
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: but how is it loaded? :P
[14:43] <Riddell> but it'll need someone other than me to declare it stable, cos it doesn't like my computer
[14:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: how is what loaded into what?
[14:44] <apachelogger> the mo file into whatever tries to display a localized versoin of the desktop file
[14:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: patch kubuntu_langpack_desktop_files.diff from kde4libs
[14:48] <apachelogger> and can we please write down all that stuff somewhere?
[14:48] <apachelogger> also what is installed when by what
[14:48] <apachelogger> and load when y what
[14:48] <apachelogger> s/y/by/
[14:48] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "and load when by what"
[14:57] <apachelogger> somehow our kubuntu-netbook settings branch disappeared
[14:57] <apachelogger> spooky
[14:59] <Riddell> maybe it was never there
[14:59] <highvoltage> it's part of the skunkworks now
[15:04] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: bug 1069859
[15:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: it was there, it is mentioned all over packaging ^^
[15:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: patch is just a changelog? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/120633209/quantal.patch
[15:09] <apachelogger> debdiff is being silly
[15:09] <apachelogger> tar.gz contains the dir
[15:09] <apachelogger> also for future reference bug 1069869
[15:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: can I actually introduce a new package+dep on package in an SRU?
[15:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm unlikely
[15:18] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/577748/
[15:18] <apachelogger> curious
[15:18] <apachelogger> also bogus
[15:18] <apachelogger> ./debian/plasma-active.install:usr/lib/libkdeinit4_plasma-widgetstrip.so
[15:24] <yuriy> hi everyone, congratulations on another release!!
[15:28]  * apachelogger hugs yuriy
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-mobile with declarative-plasmoids building in  ppa:apachelogger
[15:29]  * apachelogger leaves for dinner
[15:32] <yuriy> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.10-release "The Calligra site includes many other applications" should be suite?  Also "We recommend you learn how to check your image file to ensure it has downloaded correctly." sounds a little condescending, or at least should have a link for how to do it
[15:33] <Riddell> yuriy: mm yes, want to fix it or shall I?
[15:33] <Riddell> or you can poke mparillo, he's good with website updates
[15:35] <yuriy> Riddell: I don't know where the website is kept. probably quicker for whoever wrote/maintains the page
[15:36] <mparillo> Riddell, yuriy: Could it have been copied from a wiki, where it was a link to a URL?
[15:36] <mparillo> Checking ....
[15:37] <Riddell> probably
[15:44] <mparillo> I could change that to a link to the Calligra site (maybe http://userbase.kde.org/Calligra/Download#Ubuntu)? Or simply change it to suite.
[15:44] <Riddell> mparillo: change it to suite
[15:48] <mparillo> Done. Too minor for me to bother creating tracablity via Launchpad bug.
[15:50] <mparillo> BTW, yesterday I asked on #kubuntu about some warnings I got through kdesudo. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1296175/ The response was basically 'Do not worry.' Do you agree?
[15:52] <Riddell> mparillo: yes, to varying degrees of yes
[15:52] <Riddell> ibus being broken isn't really news
[15:53] <Riddell> .desktop files often miss semi colons, it's not a problem for any parser as far as I know, but feel free to supply patches
[15:53] <Riddell> "D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication" I see often enough and it doesn't give problems although I'm not sure the cause
[15:59] <mparillo> Thank you.
[16:37] <allee> apachelogger: mhmm, you've added the hicolor digikam icons to digikam-data, but not the hicolor versions of showfoto.  So showfoto will fallback to the (updated) pixmap  version
[16:38] <apachelogger> oh la la
[16:38] <apachelogger> indeed
[16:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: please be rejecting digikam
[16:39] <mparillo> Riddell: Thank you. Based on this, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=107192&p=247459&hilit=kdesudo#p247459 even if the messages are bugs, they might be upstream of Kubuntu.
[16:41] <txwikinger2> Anybody any sound  problems with quantal?
[16:43] <apachelogger> mparillo: unless I am completely mistaken the dbus stuff is caused by kuniqueapplications
[16:43] <apachelogger> i.e. apps that are made to have one single instance run at a time
[16:43] <allee> mparillo: when I see kdesudo kate ... I always wisj there would be a   root:///not/my/file or   file://<user>@/not/myfile    would reduce the account of code running priviledged dramaticly ;-)
[16:45] <mparillo> allee: Could you elaborate, please?
[16:45] <apachelogger> allee: would be simple enough to do in kate to begin with :P
[16:45] <allee> :-)
[16:46] <apachelogger> "why good user I cannot write to this here file, perhaps you should give me temporary permission to do so"
[16:46] <apachelogger> same goes for dolphin
[16:46] <allee> mparillo: I usualy use something like kate sftp://root@localhost/etc/hosts   but that needs an ssh server.
[16:46] <apachelogger> certainly more transparent than a separate kio slave or using a different file uri
[16:47] <apachelogger> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /root/.config/ibus/bus
[16:47] <apachelogger> lazy developers not doing file exists checks is also cool
[16:48] <allee> apachelogger: I've added this check + create to our startkde a while ago.
[16:48] <apachelogger> that thing is a big hack anyway
[16:49] <allee> apachelogger: Yes, ibus should take care.  But better that this warning everytime you start a KDE prog.
[16:50] <allee> mparillo: with imaged root://  or  file:/root@  only the io-slave or d-bus backend would run as root everything else as the current user (unpriviledged)
[17:04] <Tm_T> hmm, there's no anymore any install option for CD, right?
[17:05]  * Tm_T cannot find any dvd for writing
[17:05] <apachelogger> pxe boot
[17:06] <Tm_T> could be my only option eventually, but I wanted to avoid that
[17:09] <Tm_T> hah, found unused stack of dvd+rw disks
[17:10] <Tm_T> these must be from 7 years ago?
[17:11] <Riddell> USB key is the more common way I'd think
[17:11] <Tm_T> I would use that if mine weren't used for installing by my boss
[17:12] <Tm_T> ...and I haven't seen that usb key since (:
[17:13]  * Tm_T is doing panic-rescue on his work laptop due to failing hard disk
[17:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Rejected.
[17:16] <apachelogger> thx
[17:17] <soee> its annoying that every time kernel update shows up i have the same problem: http://pastebin.com/hVD6mWee
[17:21]  * shadeslayer goes off reading cj's emails
[17:27] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[17:27] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1065096] Certain keyboard shortcuts disappear between 4.9.1 and 4.9.2 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1065096 (by Peder Chr. Nørgaard)
[18:35] <Quintasan> \o
[18:35] <shadeslayer> hi Quintasan
[18:35] <Quintasan> sup shadeslayer
[18:36] <shadeslayer> not much, looking at #kubuntu for a bit
[18:37] <Quintasan> well, I'm providing live support for my roommate, he's a Kubuntu user :D
[18:37] <Quintasan> You can't get better support than this :P
[18:38] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I so want to say 'Thanks for the favor' in #kubuntu but will refrain myself
[18:47] <shadeslayer> heh, #debian-live just went beserk with commits
[18:49] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: how the hell does pidgin import gg contacts
[18:50] <Quintasan> it uses libpurple
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yus
[18:50] <Quintasan> telepathy-haze also uses that
[18:50] <shadeslayer> that's how
[18:50] <Quintasan> so why the hell, ktp doesnt import them?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> idk ... sometimes software does weird shit
[18:50] <shadeslayer> and everyone calls them bugs
[18:50] <Quintasan> how do you call this?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> magic
[18:51] <Quintasan> if pidgin can do it then other stuff using libpurple should be able to do so too
[18:51] <Quintasan> i blame telepathy-haze or KTP
[18:51] <shadeslayer> can you check if empathy can import contacts?
[18:51] <shadeslayer> if it can, it's a KTP issue, if not, it's a tp-haze issue
[18:52] <Quintasan> I ain't polluting my install with gnome crap :P
[18:52] <Quintasan> brb launching vm
[18:53] <shadeslayer> hmmm .. give me your account details? I've already polluted my install :P
[18:53] <Quintasan> ohohohoohho
[18:53] <Quintasan> nope.avi
[18:53] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: da fuq
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ?
[19:23] <Quintasan> haze is installed but no gg in create account
[19:24] <shadeslayer> for empathy?
[19:24] <Quintasan> yeah
[19:24] <shadeslayer> odd
[19:25] <shadeslayer> http://askubuntu.com/questions/81632/cant-import-gadu-gadu-contact-list-from-server
[19:26] <Quintasan> it uses sunshine
[19:26] <shadeslayer> aye
[19:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: make ktp work with sunshine :P
[19:27] <Quintasan> there must be some reason why they do not use haze for GG
[19:27] <shadeslayer> does empathy + sunshine work?
[19:28] <Quintasan> grr
[19:28] <Quintasan> let me launch vm once again
[19:28] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:29] <Quintasan> fcks
[19:29] <Quintasan> no sunshine for quantal
[19:29] <Quintasan> goddamn it
[19:29] <shadeslayer> lawl right
[19:31] <Quintasan> installing precise package
[19:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It doesn't even list gg after installing sunshine
[19:32] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:33] <Quintasan> way to go Ubuntu
[19:34] <Quintasan> ...
[19:34] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-haze/+bug/1032215
[19:35] <shadeslayer> !info kadu
[19:35] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: account-plugin-gadugadu is the way in quantal
[19:35] <shadeslayer> what's that?
[19:35] <Quintasan> god only knows
[19:36] <Quintasan> I installed it and GG showed up in empathy
[19:36] <shadeslayer> hurr durr
[19:37] <Quintasan> and it does not import contacts
[19:37] <Quintasan> #$%#$@%@#$#$@%
[19:37] <Quintasan> nothing
[19:37] <shadeslayer> use sane protocols, srsly
[19:38] <Quintasan> it has to be tp backend problem
[19:38] <Quintasan> sunshine worked until they decided to remove it god knows why
[19:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: In Poland, Gadu support is essential.
[19:38] <shadeslayer> unmaintained
[19:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What ScottK said
[19:39] <ScottK> FWIW, Kadu is a KDE app that is maintained with an upstream that cares about Kubuntu.
[19:39] <ScottK> So use that ...
[19:39] <Quintasan> ScottK: Yes, but unfortunately it makes telepathy look a little bit silly IMO
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:40] <Quintasan> possible solutions: use Kadu
[19:40] <Quintasan> look around and see why Pidgin can import contacts using libpurple and we can't
[19:40] <Quintasan> ABANDON THE WARSHIP
[19:41] <shadeslayer> file a bug against haze?
[19:41] <Quintasan> I'll first do some research
[19:42] <Quintasan> not like I can fix this code-wise but at least I can provide information
[19:42] <shadeslayer> right
[19:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: If telepathy wants to look silly, who am I to stop them.
[19:46] <Quintasan> Right.
[19:46] <Quintasan> ALLOW USERS TO UNIFY THEIR CONTACTS
[19:46] <Quintasan> Don't support the most popular network in Poland
[19:46] <ScottK> I don't happen to want my contacts unified, but whatever.
[19:47] <Quintasan> Not like it's the most important protocol but if you support AOL or sth then you could support GG as well


[00:28] <jcastro_> bkerensa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:28] <jcastro_> hits the team iirc
[00:29] <jcastro_> bkerensa: how do you like the strip? I need something to powerdown my peripherals and so on when I turn the computer off
[00:29] <jcastro_> also do you know if suspending the computer also triggers the other outlets to turn off?
[00:31] <bkerensa> jcastro_: so I don't use my belkin conserve strip in my office I use it for my entertainment center but I like it for that and it shuts off  my sound bar, Xbox 360 and Roku
[00:31] <bkerensa> jcastro_: suspending might it depends how low the wattage is in suspend mode
[00:32] <bkerensa> For my office I use smart outlets that learn my daily schedule and come on when I usually am in the office and off when I'm not but I can toggle them on-demand too
[00:34] <bkerensa> jcastro_: one thing you might consider is waiting for the newer home automation systems to come out
[00:34] <bkerensa> supposedly in the coming months my router will be able to communicate with my TV and other devices and shut them off
[00:38] <jcastro_> yeah for sure I need one for my AV system
[03:08] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, how's the weather over Copenhagen? too cold?
[06:37] <elfy> I hope jcastro_ is keeping himself busy http://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2012&image=jorge_nurf_hunt_lrg :)
[06:37] <elfy> morning popey
[06:37] <philballew> I think I remember that gun...
[06:37] <elfy> :)
[06:38] <popey> hello
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <elfy> morning dholbach
[06:46] <dholbach> hi elfy
[07:29] <dholbach> dpm, hola muchacho
[07:29] <dpm> hola dholbach
[07:29] <dholbach> dpm, the IS folks have acknowledged that I need to access to humboldt but it hasn't happened yet and the script failed again - can you have a look? O:-)
[07:29] <dpm> dholbach, sure
[07:32] <dholbach> dpm, seems people like your new orleans tunes :)
[07:34] <dpm> dholbach, thanks a lot for sharing them ;)
[07:34] <dholbach> it was the perfect music for putting me into an after-work mood last night :)
[07:35] <dpm> awesome
[07:35] <dpm> mission accomplished then
[07:37] <dpm> dholbach, looking at the mail on the server, perhaps it was a temporary failure?
[07:37] <dpm> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:37] <dpm> E: Can't find a package named "ubuntu-packaging-guide-html"
[07:37] <dpm> /bin/sh: Get:: not found
[07:37] <dpm> let me try to execute it manually
[07:39] <dpm> it worked when executed manually
[07:41] <dholbach> dpm, thanks a lot - I guess it tried to access the PPA when the indexes were regenerated - I'll try to make the script more failsafe
[07:41] <dpm> dholbach, cool.  I've not seen you for a while I think.
[09:17] <s-fox> fairly busy with a few things.  how about you  ?
[09:17] <nigelb> Heh, same :)
[11:59] <daker> dholbach: https://www.facebook.com/formoresummer
[12:08] <daker> dholbach: this one https://www.facebook.com/formoresummer/posts/369068453180427
[12:43] <cjohnston> jussi: ping
[12:53] <luftballons> guten morgen :-)
[12:58] <dpm> hey luftballons, is that your new self while in Germany? :-)
[12:59] <luftballons> dpm: ja
[12:59] <dpm> schön
[13:00] <luftballons> I thought it would be fun to pop in and say hello to everyone
[13:02] <luftballons> if any of this deustch brushed off on me, I guess I'll have you and Daniel to practice with dpm. I will say it's weird to almost be done with your day before the US wakes up
[13:04] <dpm> luftballons, yeah, just another way to say we get our things done before you :P
[13:04] <dpm> luftballons, how are you enjoying Germany? Have you made lots of pictures?
[13:05] <luftballons> dpm: I'm in a small village near Zell
[13:05] <luftballons> the experience has been wonderful so far. The landscapes and villages are very neat.
[13:06] <luftballons> I started taking some pictures this morning.. lots of lovely color on the trees
[13:06] <luftballons> but I only have my phone to take pictures with :-(
[13:08] <dpm> luftballons, ah, so you're in the Mosel Valley. It's a really nice area, you should definitely try their white wines
[13:10] <luftballons> I've had some grapes already. They were telling me about this special type of wine that is harvested early in the morning, with the grapes frosted, when it is very cold outside -- a type of desert wine
[13:18] <dpm> Eiswein
[13:20] <luftballons> dpm: pronounced "eyes-wine?"
 So hopped on the charm train
[15:22] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: it's fantastic
[15:39]  * dholbach hugs jono
[16:33] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:41] <jono> dpm, hey
[16:41] <jono> time for a super quick call?
[16:41] <dpm> jono, sure
[16:41] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[16:41] <jono> cheers
[16:42] <dpm> ok
[18:05] <bkerensa> jcastro_: business class eh?
[18:05] <bkerensa> :D
[18:05] <jcastro_> it's the only way to roll
[18:07] <bkerensa> jcastro_: what kind of speeds do you get?
[18:14] <jcastro_> 30 down, 10 up
[18:41] <bkerensa> jcastro_: I only get 25 down 3 up :s
[18:41] <bkerensa> jcastro_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7/+archive/ubuntu-nexus7-installer
[18:41] <bkerensa> :D
[18:43] <jcastro_> <3
[18:46] <bkerensa> jcastro_: hopefully I get to see it today or this weekend on my N7
[18:47] <jcastro_> I'm slumming it on a transformer
[18:47] <jcastro_> which vandine got ubuntu on a while back
[18:48] <bkerensa> jcastro_: and how does it run? Is it the native or is it sitting on top of busybox or something
[18:48] <bkerensa> ?
[18:49] <bkerensa> if so LOA already runs 12.04 fine on N7
[18:49] <bkerensa> I was hoping for some native
[18:49] <jcastro_> it ran terribly
[18:49] <jcastro_> enough for me not to bother on mine
[18:50] <bkerensa> lol
[18:51] <jcastro_> this was a year ago maybe though
[18:55] <bkerensa> http://linuxonandroid.org/
[20:20] <mhall119> bkerensa: docs are still being finished, be patient


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