[02:41] <mjg59> Hmm.  Allegedly, anyway. I can't find it.
[02:50] <mjg59> Wuh?
[02:50] <mjg59> It's in -mm, but I can't find it in netdev's git tree
[02:50] <mjg59> Madness
[02:52] <BenC> I need checks baz archive url again
[02:52] <BenC> chucks
[02:55] <mjg59> Ah, found it
[02:56] <mjg59> BenC: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/jgarzik/netdev-2.6.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=821dc07095d73b757bfc9d5f162e2efb954172f8;hp=caf39e87cc1182f7dae84eefc43ca14d54c78ef9
[02:56] <mjg59> Doesn't quite apply cleanly, but looks like the fixup is trivial
[02:56] <mjg59> If we don't have sk98lin yet, can we have that instead?
[02:57] <BenC> yeah
[02:58] <BenC> odd that it needs a seperate driver
[02:58] <BenC> makes me think of the whole 8139cp/8139too driver
[02:59] <BenC> I mean if syskonnect can make a single driver for all of them, why not the kernel devs :)
[03:00] <BenC> ok, I've got the diff, I'll add it to the repo today
[03:00] <BenC> thanks for the pointer
[03:11] <doko> BenC: could you have a look at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15092? I cannot reproduce that, neither in unstable nor breezy
[03:25] <mjg59> BenC: Could you possibly grab http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/swsusp.diff ?
[03:25] <mjg59> Fixes bogus error checking and actually outputs some sensible information in failure cases
[03:38] <BenC> doko: me either, all those devs are created on my machines
[03:40] <BenC> doko: doing the test shown in the bug report works for me (all devs recreated)
[03:40] <BenC> maybe it's a udev bug?
[03:40] <BenC> the bug report shows 0.068, and I have 0.060 on my machine
[03:41] <BenC> mjg59: got it, will add it today
[03:41] <mjg59> Ta
[03:41] <doko> BenC: ok, thanks
[03:42] <BenC> anyone know why my initrd shows up as a ASCII cpio (reported by 'file')?
[03:42] <BenC> and how do I mount the thing manually
[03:42] <BenC> (ppc)
[03:43] <mjg59> BenC: Uhm. Because it's an initramfs?
[03:44] <mjg59> It's just uncpioed into a tmpfs
[03:44] <mjg59> You don't mount it
[03:44] <BenC> ah
[03:44] <BenC> always used an initrd with a filesystem  put into ramdisk
[03:44] <mjg59> Yeah. Now we have the future! :)
[03:45] <mjg59> initramfs allows all kinds of cool stuff - you can just combine multiple cpio files, and they'll all be extracted into the filesystem
[03:45] <BenC> for some reason, that makes me feel like an old fart
[03:45] <BenC> "I remember when we used to have a filesystem for the initrd"
[03:45] <mjg59> We've only just changed over
[03:45] <BenC> cool
[03:45] <jbailey> BenC: This is why I need your help on the ibook things.
[03:46] <jbailey> BenC: It looks like the kernels are doing the wrong things in thoses cases, it never ever runs /init
[03:47] <mjg59> Hm. Maybe I should try to get an ibook out of Mark.
[03:47] <mjg59> It would make some things much easier.
[03:47] <BenC> I should get an ibook for my laptop too (good excuse to get one)
[03:47] <jbailey> I think it's only older ones. =(
[03:48] <jbailey> mjg59: So you need another 6 laptops at your door.
[03:48] <BenC> jbailey: the problem seems to be related to the xfs filesystem
[03:48] <jbailey> BenC: I don't see how it could be.
[03:48] <jbailey> Nothing knows the filesystem at that point.
[03:48] <BenC> well, if it never gets to init then true
[03:49] <BenC> I can't see any of it being directly related to it being an ibook either though
[03:49] <BenC> I can't see how that could possibly affect it
[03:50] <BenC> you know, when I had this similar problem on my i386 that I upgraded from debian to breezy, I had an ext2 filesystem
[03:51] <jbailey> BenC: My theory was that OF was doing something weird with the initrd.
[03:51] <jbailey> But I can't even prove that.
[03:51] <BenC> I also don't think it is the kernel
[03:51] <BenC> he reported that rebuilding his 2.6.12-3 initrd caused that kernel to fail the same way
[03:52] <BenC> one thing is for sure though, the ramdisk_size is too small
[03:53] <BenC> hmm, I thought mjg59 said it was using tmpfs, is that newer than this bug report?
[03:53] <jbailey> BenC: No, he rebuilt it with initramfs and got it to fail.
[03:53] <jbailey> No, the changeover was late in the -6 cycle from mkinitrd to mkinitramfs
[03:53] <BenC> maybe I misunderstood the bug report
[03:54] <jbailey> My understanding is that every instance, old and new of him using mkinitramfs fails to execute /init on the initramfs.
[03:54] <jbailey> And that every instance of him using mkinitrd succeeds in doing the initrd bootup (/linuxrc)
[03:55] <jbailey> What I'd like is if there were some way to have the kernel printk the equivalent of an 'ls' in a test kernel before it chains
[03:55] <jbailey> Just to prove that the stuff is actually on the tmpfs.
[03:55] <jbailey> tmpfs/rootfs/ramfs, whatever it is.
[04:01] <jbailey> Woohoo, another vmware bug.
[04:01] <jbailey> Desperately need that BusLogic fix. =(
[04:01] <jbailey> And I don't understand how hotplug is picking it up now for VmWare installations.
[04:02] <BenC> vmware 5 works
[04:02] <BenC> vmware 4 doesn't
[04:03] <BenC> you want me to port ls to the kernel? :)
[04:03] <jbailey> BenC: Ah, does vmware 5 use something other than BusLogic?
[04:04] <jbailey> BenC: Well, I was hoping for an iteration over the directory entries, or something.  Dunno, I always imagines there'd be a debug helper fuction in there already for that.
[04:04] <BenC> yeah, it uses a fibre channel controller
[04:04] <jbailey> I can't imagine I'm the first one to want to know what the kernel thinks of a filesystem.
[04:04] <jbailey> BenC: Zul said he had a patch to make BusLogic hotpluggable.
[04:04] <BenC> hmm, my initrd has /init, not /sbin/init or /linuxrc
[04:04] <jbailey> Right.
[04:04] <BenC> yeah, I think he sent it to me
[04:04] <jbailey> initramfs boots with /init now.
[04:05] <BenC> or it's in his repo that I will sync from today
[04:05] <jbailey> Cool.
[04:05] <jbailey> When you have a test i386 kernel handy, can you let me know?
[04:05] <jbailey> I'll put out a call for testers to these people.
[04:05] <BenC> yeah, sure
[04:05] <BenC> will be late this evening before I have a build done
[04:06] <jbailey> Tjat
[04:06] <jbailey> That's fine.
[04:06] <jbailey> I need to afk for about 30m.
[04:08] <BenC> the quiet var in the kern command line for the initramfs needs to be a little more rebust
[04:08] <BenC> no way to to quiet=no or noisy to counteract it temporarily
[04:10] <BenC> does ybin need to be rerun if you edit /etc/yaboot.conf?
[05:11] <BenC> jbailey?
[05:13] <jbailey> I think so, yes.
[05:14] <jbailey> BEcause it needs to copy it to a partition type that OF understands.
[05:14] <jbailey> But that might just be for yaboot upgrades.
[05:14] <jbailey> (Likeyaboot might just know how to read it and where to find it)
[05:17] <BenC> that guy with the ibook fstype problem, is he on IRC?
[05:18] <BenC> jbailey: oh, and in regards to the G5 ppc64 kernel no rebooting, I can confirm and reproduce it
[05:18] <jbailey> Two of them are, yes.  Lemme dig up that
[05:18] <jbailey> BenC: Oh, is that a known bug (The G5)
[05:18] <jbailey> It's really annoying.
[05:18] <jbailey> I assumed I had b0rked my setup somehow.
[05:18] <BenC> my G5 with the colony 4 CD doesn't reboot when I tell it to
[05:18] <BenC> it says "Rebooting" and drops to a shell
[05:18] <jbailey> My g5 current breezy doesn't reboot.
[05:18] <jbailey> Well, I get a Ctrl-D to shell or enter to continue.
[05:18] <BenC> colony 4 live cd
[05:18] <jbailey> Like it's fliped to single user mode.
[05:19] <jbailey> Now that I know it's a real bug, I can troubleshoot it.  Do you have a bugzilla number?
[05:19] <BenC> probably because I'm using live-cd, there's no password
[05:19] <jbailey> The sideffect is that it also leaves the last mounted date on the volume wrong.
[05:19] <BenC> just goes right to shell
[05:19] <jbailey> So I have a 60gb fsck every boot.
[05:19] <BenC> heh, hold a sec
[05:19] <BenC> weird, someone just reported I bug I just experienced with loop device
[05:19] <jbailey> This machine is about due for a pave and replace, but I don't have other drives big enough to store the data in the eantime.
[05:19] <BenC> I think it's a mount bug though
[05:21] <BenC> jbailey: 14898 mentions it
[05:21] <BenC> and 15162 has the actual bug
[05:22] <jbailey> I've confirmed 15162 and added myself to the cc: list.
[05:23] <jbailey> I'll try to look at it later.
[05:23] <jbailey> I really need to squish a few initramfs bugs first.
[05:23] <BenC> I'm going to try to get a kernel for that ibook bug
[05:29] <jbailey> BenC: Thanks.
[05:42] <fabbione> MEHHH
[05:42] <fabbione> guys.. how do i disable a module from being loaded?
[05:42] <Lathiat> by hotplug?
[05:42] <fabbione> the isp2100 driver is borked
[05:42] <Lathiat> or in general?
[05:42] <mjg59>  /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:42] <fabbione> and it doesn't let me boot
[05:42] <fabbione> NO
[05:42] <fabbione> i need to do it at boot..
[05:42] <fabbione> first install
[05:42] <mjg59> Oh
[05:42] <mjg59> With trouble
[05:43] <fabbione> the driver is an isp1020
[05:43] <fabbione> or it seems like
[05:43] <Lathiat> fabbione: isp or ipw?w
[05:43] <fabbione> and i only have console here to irc
[05:43] <fabbione> isp
[05:43] <fabbione> BenC: dude?
[05:43] <fabbione> it's a scsi driver...
[05:43] <mjg59> fabbione: There's no kernel way of doing it. You'd need to ask kamion.
[05:46] <fabbione> i guess there is only one way for now..
[05:46] <fabbione> remove the controller...
[05:48] <BenC> yeah, probably the only way
[05:49] <fabbione> yeah
[05:49] <fabbione> too bad because it's a combo scsi + lan from a sparc64
[05:49] <fabbione> nice board
[05:49] <fabbione> and i only needed the lan to be hounest
[05:49] <Lathiat> btw, a boot option to exclude specific modules or somethign could possibly be usefull
[05:50] <BenC> debian-install/exclude-modules=isp1020,xxx,yyy
[05:52] <BenC> what would be nice is the installer to store something in nvram about which module it is about to load, and then on reboot it can say "Last time we tried to load module XXX, it failed, do you want to skip it this time?"
[05:53] <fabbione> hmm i am gonna try that
[05:53] <fabbione> i did swap the card already...
[05:53] <fabbione> worth a test
[05:53] <BenC> oh, that debian-installer thing was made up, it wont work :)
[05:53] <BenC> just a suggestion for implementation
[05:54] <fabbione> DIE!
[07:39] <jbailey> fabbione: Don't kill Ben, you'll have to do kernel work again if you do...
[08:14] <fabbione> jbailey: i need blood :P
[08:16] <jbailey> fabbione: Meat eater.
[08:17] <fabbione> ehhe
[08:25] <jbailey> Ugh, I tought 28 days were done with.
[08:26] <jbailey> How is it supposed to get below zero at this rate for November?
[08:44] <jbailey> do we support qemu on our kernels?
[09:00] <Lathiat> jbailey: qemu doesnt need qemu support unless you want the accelerator
[09:02] <jbailey> Ah, neat.
[09:03] <jbailey> 'k, I'll look at that then.
[09:03] <Lathiat> err
[09:03] <Lathiat> the second qemu was supposed to be 'kernel'
[09:18] <jbailey> It's all good. =)
[11:56] <Nafallo> morning all :-)
[11:58] <Nafallo> we have rt2400 and rt2500. maybe we should have rt2570 (usb rt2500) also?
[12:00] <Nafallo> hmm, seems dead. I'll come back another day :-).


[11:09] <tcz> Anyone else buy a Hauppauge wintv-quadhd card "just a little too soon" ?
[11:10] <tcz> it's not supported until 4.8, but 16.04 is using 4.4
[21:01] <sven86> hello, is anyone around? i'm having problems with mythtv


[01:42] <ev> indeed, that's been the plan for some time.  DX is working on it (specifically Ted, last I checked)
[01:43] <ev> though yes, I do sit right next to mpt :)
[10:44] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r327 usb-creator/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[10:44] <CIA-4> usb-creator: * debian/control, usbcreator/frontends/gtk:
[10:44] <CIA-4> usb-creator:  - Remove python-gnome2 dependency by switching help_display_uri to
[10:44] <CIA-4> usb-creator:  gtk.show_uri. LP: #661289
[11:03] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r328 usb-creator/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.2.26
[11:07] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r4435 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[11:07] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Expose the navigation control in the GTK frontend API.
[11:07] <CIA-4> ubiquity: Thanks Ying-Chun Liu!
[13:49] <soren> Is there any particular reason why the root filesystem is placed at the start of the disk rather than at the end?
[13:49] <soren> I'm sure there is, but what is it? :)
[13:52] <soren> It would be handy if they were at the end. If you install Ubuntu in a VM on a virtual disk and decide to expand the disk later, it's a bit of a bummer that you can't just extend the partition.
[13:53] <soren> Alternatively, maybe it's time we use lvm by default? :)
[14:45] <ev> lvm> what doesn't btrfs solve?
[16:14] <ev> I appear to have lost the magic runes to shoving a partman-auto udeb kicking and screaming into a running d-i instance
[16:15] <cjwatson> does it involve new debconf templates?
[16:16] <ev> yes
[16:16] <ev> which I separately imported using debconf-loadtemplate after sed'ing out the underscores
[16:17] <cjwatson> yeah, that doesn't really work
[16:17] <ev> still hanging on a description metaget
[16:17] <ev> ah
[16:17] <ev> fail
[16:17] <cjwatson> because you end up talking to the wrong debconf instance
[16:17] <ev> right!
[16:17] <ev> ugh
[16:17] <cjwatson> build the udeb, and edit some random victim postinst script (I usually use load-cdrom.postinst, after the call to anna)
[16:17] <cjwatson> make it do wget and udpkg -i
[16:17] <cjwatson> (or udpkg --unpack if the udeb you're using has a postinst, but partman-auto doesn't)
[16:26] <ev> ah, thanks!
[19:13] <soren> ev: Well, not everyone uses btrfs, but does btrfs let you add another block device to it like lvm does?
[21:27] <corecode> hi
[21:27] <corecode> will the installer/preseed only use eth0
[21:27] <corecode> or will it probe other cards as well?
[21:27] <corecode> somehow the automatic install on this machine didn't work out
[22:01] <cruejones> hi, why am i able to user an ubuntu DVD iso loopback shared via http as a local mirror but standard debian fails with the same setup?
[22:01] <cruejones> for netinstalls
[22:03] <cjwatson> to make that work you have to include a few extra packages on the iso (things that aren't on the netboot initrd but are in the cdrom initrd) and Debian may well not do that
[22:03] <cjwatson> I don't think either of us really consider it a properly supported setup, it just happens to work in Ubuntu at the moment
[22:04] <cruejones> thanks - any pointers on what files might be needed?
[22:04] <cjwatson> corecode: you should be able to preseed netcfg/choose_interface.  I think the default is something like the first interface that seems to have a link, or possibly just the first interface
[22:05] <cjwatson> cruejones: sorry, I don't have a list
[22:05] <cruejones> cjwatson: any pointers on where to look?
[22:05] <cjwatson> there's a udeb manifest alongside the initrds
[22:05] <cruejones> ok
[22:05] <cjwatson> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ or something like that
[22:06] <cjwatson> you'd need to subtract the files in the netboot initrd from those in the cdrom initrd, and include the difference
[22:06] <cruejones> already having to use unionfs on iso to fix some symlink issues so I might be able to fake a mirror by adding those files to the iso via the union
[22:07] <cruejones> and please consider it an important configuration for future support - network shared loopback isos is a classic scenario for space savings
[22:08] <cruejones> and in my case I need to use a different non-debian based distro as the pxe/netboot install source so creating a local mirror is non-trivial
[22:11] <cruejones> cjwatson: so I just thought about it and I am confused as to why I need to care about the netboot vs. dvd initrd?  I am using the kernel/ramdisk from the netboot (mini.iso) which works just fine.  Then I loopback mount the main DVD and share it via http.
[22:12] <cruejones> when I point the netboot installer to the dvd/iso http share it returns that it is a bad mirror - so I would assume I am missing some repo/mirror type files on the main DVD?
[22:12] <cruejones> and thanks for helping - seeing as this is more pure debian question
[22:16] <cjwatson> cruejones: because the way the installer works is that it only ships the necessary core of itself in the initrd, and fetches more bits of itself at run-time
[22:16] <cjwatson> (udebs)
[22:16] <cjwatson> cruejones: the "necessary core" depends on the installation method - netboot, cdrom, etc.
[22:16] <cjwatson> for netboot initrds it has to include the network configuration components etc. in the initrd; for cdrom initrds it needs to know how to mount the cdrom
[22:17] <cjwatson> however, when netbooting, there are bits that still need to be performed *eventually*, just not necessarily so early that they have to be in the initrd
[22:17] <cjwatson> so the udebs for those tasks need to be available somehow
[22:18] <cruejones> ok, but in theory what I am doing is a pure netinstall, just that my mirror is really a loopback mount of the main DVD shared via http
[22:18] <cjwatson> mind you returning "bad mirror" is actually something a bit different, now that I read it
[22:18] <cruejones> right
[22:18] <cjwatson> you may well have the same problem later though
[22:18] <cjwatson> for Debian, could we move this to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net please?
[22:19] <cjwatson> that's the corresponding Debian channel
[22:19] <cruejones> ok, thanks
[22:52] <corecode> what could be the reason that list-devices disk returns empty?
[22:56] <cjwatson> corecode: what's in /sys/block (excluding the ram* entries)?
[22:56] <corecode> loop
[22:57] <cjwatson> then the kernel hasn't found your disks
[22:57] <corecode> 0f:04.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1064 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 02)
[22:57] <corecode> yea, but why
[22:57] <cjwatson> could be because the module for that disk isn't in the installer initrd for some reason
[22:57] <cjwatson> what's the numeric pci id for that?
[22:58] <cjwatson> never mind, looked it up, 1000:0050
[22:58] <corecode> yep
[22:58] <corecode> lspci -nv over 9600bps is a bit slow
[22:58] <corecode> on that machine in particular
[23:01] <cjwatson> lsmod | grep mptsas
[23:01] <corecode> nop
[23:01] <cjwatson> what release?
[23:02] <corecode> maverick
[23:03] <corecode> obscure
[23:03] <corecode> let me reboot
[23:03] <cjwatson> no wait!
[23:03] <corecode> maybe that fixes something
[23:03] <corecode> ok
[23:03] <cjwatson> nano -v /var/lib/dpkg/status
[23:03] <cjwatson> Ctrl-w message-modules ENTER
[23:03] <cjwatson> does that show anything?  if so what's the Status field?
[23:03] <corecode> nothing
[23:04] <cjwatson> no match?
[23:04] <corecode> no match
[23:04] <cjwatson> can you extract /var/log/syslog and put it on paste.ubuntu.com for me?
[23:04] <corecode> yes
[23:04] <corecode> hang on
[23:04] <corecode> if i can get scp on this box
[23:05] <cjwatson> anna-install openssh-client-udeb
[23:05] <corecode> hm, that just clears the screen
[23:05] <cjwatson> yes, but now you have scp
[23:06] <cjwatson> or should do
[23:06] <corecode> no :/
[23:06] <corecode> something is a bit wrong
[23:06] <cjwatson> try "save debug logs" from the installer main menu
[23:06] <cjwatson> sounds like your installer is incapable of installing extra components of itself for some reason
[23:06] <cjwatson> what installer image are you using?
[23:06] <corecode> the maverick amd64 netboot image
[23:07] <corecode> but that worked for all other machines
[23:07] <cjwatson> no, which url
[23:07] <cjwatson> exactly
[23:08] <corecode> i can't tell right now
[23:08] <cjwatson> ok, well, you mentioned a network configuration problem
[23:08] <corecode> yes
[23:08] <cjwatson> how did you resolve that, and what did you do afterwards?
[23:08] <corecode> i did manually dhclient eth1
[23:08] <corecode> and then let the installer continue
[23:09] <corecode> then it must have rebooted, but didn't finish the installation + preseed post script
[23:09] <corecode> hmmm
[23:09] <cjwatson> sounds like some bit of network configuration wasn't properly set up
[23:09] <corecode> maybe there is some nfsv4 issue there as well
[23:09] <cjwatson> and therefore it couldn't fetch installer components off the network
[23:09] <corecode> but that's unrelated
[23:10] <corecode> quite possible
[23:10] <cjwatson> you're probably right to reboot at this point
[23:11] <corecode> how can i find out why it didn't manage to pull up the network?
[23:11] <cjwatson> read through /var/log/syslog I guess
[23:11] <cjwatson> everything should be in there somewhere, though it's pretty verbose
[23:11] <corecode> http://pastebin.ca/1995057
[23:13] <corecode> it keeps talking about eth1: link is not ready
[23:14] <corecode> but that seems to be due to a missing ifconfig up
[23:14] <cjwatson> not sure I have any idea, sorry
[23:14] <cjwatson> normally you shouldn't need ifconfig up to get a link indication
[23:14] <corecode> Nov 17 23:05:25 kernel: [ 3720.533354] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
[23:14] <corecode> Nov 17 23:05:25 dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 3
[23:14] <corecode> Nov 17 23:05:27 kernel: [ 3722.590977] e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: None
[23:14] <corecode> Nov 17 23:05:27 kernel: [ 3722.594115] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready
[23:14] <corecode> magical
[23:15] <cjwatson> the MII link indication is what tells you that you can do ifconfig up
[23:15] <cjwatson> as I understand it
[23:15] <cjwatson> but this isn't particularly my field of expertise, so "I don't know, sorry"
[23:15] <corecode> yea
[23:15] <corecode> mmm
[23:22] <corecode> oh also the kernel doesn't seem to reliably number the network cards the same way
[23:28] <cjwatson> no, that has been a bit of a saga to try to fix I understand
[23:41] <corecode> hmm


[03:14] <mango> hi
[03:14] <jorge> hi
[06:38] <G__81> i have installed the qt4-doc package in 14.04. How do i access it?
[06:46] <valorie> G__81: access it?
[06:46] <valorie> oh, the doc
[06:46] <valorie> hmmm
[06:47] <G__81> valorie: i mean where would i find it. Is there an app like devhelp in gnome to access it ?
[06:47] <valorie> there is the khelpcenter, but I'm not sure it will read qt5 docs
[06:47] <valorie> worth looking there, I guess
[06:48] <valorie> it's the Help menu item in every kde application
[06:48] <valorie> I don't know what devhelp is, so ?
[06:48] <lordievader> G__81: dpkg -S qt4-doc?
[07:04] <G__81> lordievader: Thanks it says this
[07:04] <G__81> The documentation is provided in the new help format and manpage format;
[07:04] <G__81>  the new help format version can be viewed in conjunction with the Qt Assistant
[07:04] <G__81>  found in the qt4-dev-tools package.
[07:06] <lordievader> G__81: Was that a lowercase s?
[07:08] <G__81> lordievader: i gave both
[07:08] <G__81> qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc
[07:08] <G__81> qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt
[07:08] <G__81> qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/copyright
[07:08] <G__81> qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/changelog.Debian.gz
[07:08] <lordievader> !paste| G__81
[07:08] <G__81> but inside that directory i couldnt find any html files so didnt know how to read those files
[07:09] <lordievader> G__81: Hmm, then I do not know how to access the docs.
[07:10] <G__81> lordievader: i got it.
[07:10] <G__81> its qt4 assistant package which needs to be installed.
[07:11] <G__81> on installing it, it automatically picks up the docs
[07:11] <G__81> thanks lordievader
[07:11] <lordievader> No problem.
[07:26] <Sanjeb82> test
[07:29] <Sanjeb82> hi, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, I get to the login and when I try to login to my admin account the only thing that happens is that the login box disappears and my computer doesnt do anything else, im in the guest user now. what should I do to fix my admin or atleast create a new admin to access my documents from the other admin account?
[07:32] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Try moving your kde profile.
 how do I do that?
[07:34] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Open a terminal: mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}
[07:34] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Then logout and back in.
[07:34] <Sanjeb82> from the guest account?
[07:35] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Ah, from the guest account first run "su <username>"
[07:38] <valorie> Sanjeb82: your regular user account is not a "admin" account though
[07:38] <Sanjeb82> @lordievader I get "setgid: Operation not permitted"
[07:38] <valorie> administrative functions use sudo
[07:39] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: You get that when you run su?
[07:39] <Sanjeb82> yup
[07:39] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: What is the exact command you run?
[07:39] <Sanjeb82> su sanjeb
[07:40] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Hmm, it would explain why you can't login. How did you create this user?
[07:41] <Sanjeb82> I created the guest from the admin to avoid people accessing my files when I lend it
[07:42] <Sanjeb82> cant remember how exactly though, been a while
[07:42] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: I was asking about the sanjeb account, how did you create it?
[07:43] <Sanjeb82> ah, when I installed kubuntu
[07:43] <Sanjeb82> I dont have any other admins on my netbook
[07:45] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Can you open a tty and login to the user sanjeb from there?
[07:46] <Sanjeb82> tty = terminal?
[07:46] <Sanjeb82> sorry, im not that experienced in linux, and i hate windows
[07:48] <valorie> Sanjeb82: if your files are in your /home, others will not be able to access them without your user account password
[07:48] <lordievader> Sanjeb82: Press ctrl + alt + f1, that will get you to tty1, from there try to login as sanjeb.
[07:48] <Sanjeb82> ok
[08:00] <sanjeb82> @lordievader I was able to access my files through what you told me to but it kept on saying every now and then "asking for cache data failed". other than that I was able to see my files
[08:00] <sanjeb82> but wasnt able to go back here from there without restarting
[08:03] <sanjeb82> ah, I should write the command you gave me before to move the profile? could you retype it for me please?
 and is there a way to come back from the cnrl alt f1 without restarting?
[08:08] <valorie> sanjeb82: yes, control + alt + f8 usually
[08:08] <valorie> or try 9 - 12
[08:10] <valorie> since lordievader seems to be gone for the moment, I'll paste in the mv command he gave you, sanjeb82
[08:10] <valorie> mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}
[08:11] <valorie> this just moves your old .kde which has configs and such in it, to a .bak file (backup)
[08:11] <sanjeb82> thank you valorie
[08:11] <lordievader> sanjeb82: ctrl + alt + f7 actually ;)
[08:11] <valorie> just remember that your user in linux is not the same as admin in windows
[08:11] <valorie> one uses sudo to do admin functions
[08:12] <lordievader> Strange though that su doesn't work but a login from a tty does...
[08:12] <valorie> there are other ways to protect your files from guest users
[08:12] <lordievader> Ecrypt-fs (home-folder encryption)?
[08:13] <sanjeb82> ok, brb, going to try the command
[08:18] <valorie> hmmm, system seems to think chromium crashed, but it's working just fine
[08:18] <valorie> I guess that's better than the opposite sitch
[08:18] <guest-wkpwNX_> weird!! it is not telling me "login incorrect"!!
[08:19] <valorie> gotta love "An application has crashed on your system (now or in the past"
[08:19] <guest-wkpwNX_> huh, why did my name change?
[08:19] <valorie> so helpful
[08:19]  * lordievader got to go
[08:19] <valorie> guest-wkpwNX_: the guest nick is offered when you haven't chosen one
[08:20] <guest-wkpwNX_> I was sanjeb82 before
[08:20] <valorie> you can change it by typing on its own line: /nick newnick
[08:20] <valorie> right, but you erased your configs
[08:21] <guest-wkpwNX_> I didnt use the "mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}" yet
[08:21] <valorie> so your client didn't know what nick you wanted
[08:21] <valorie> oh, hmmm
[08:22] <valorie> ah, did you see the above line? [01:20] <-- sanjeb82<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[08:22] <valorie> you were pinging out
[08:22] <valorie> and you had no alternate nick chosen, probably
[08:23] <sanjeb1982> ok, this is easier
[08:23] <valorie> you can register with freenode and protect your nick if you like it
[08:23] <valorie> !register
[08:23] <valorie> in your client you can choose one or more alternates
[08:24] <valorie> people often use a _ or __ behind their nick
[08:24] <valorie> like mine is valorie_
[08:24] <valorie> or valorie__
[08:24] <sanjeb1982> @valorie the ttyl is not letting me login, it is telling me "login incorrect"
[08:25] <valorie> are you logging in from your guest account, or your user account?
[08:25] <sanjeb1982> guest
[08:25] <sanjeb1982> it worked a while ago, but now nope
[08:25] <valorie> hmmm
[08:26] <valorie> I don't log in from an alternate user very often
[08:26] <sanjeb1982> lordievader left?
[08:27] <valorie> can you do the su username in the tty?
[08:27] <valorie> yes, he left
[08:27] <valorie> and I'll have to go soon as well
[08:27] <valorie> 1:30am here
[08:27] <sanjeb1982> ah ok
[08:28] <sanjeb1982> @valorie what happens after I move my old kde into backup?
[08:29] <valorie> when you next login, you'll have clean configs
[08:29] <valorie> now, you can selectively move stuff back
[08:29] <valorie> I've done that before with no problem
[08:30] <sanjeb1982> ok cool
[08:30] <valorie> you can even just do that in dolphin
[08:30] <sanjeb1982> I will try to log off guest and log in again and try the ttl again
[08:30] <valorie> split the window and just drag from the backup to the new and mostly empty .kde
[08:30] <valorie> sure
[08:30] <valorie> see you later
[08:31] <sanjeb1982> see you later and thank you and lordievader for the help :)
[08:31] <valorie> I hope to see you soon
[09:27] <crimsondusk> hey, I have a new laptop whose f12 key toggles wireless. this is annoying.. how would I go about removing this toggle? I'd like to use f12 for yakuake
[09:29] <crimsondusk> this toggle does not appear in KDE settings
[09:30] <tsimpson> hmm usually you have to hold down the Fn key to achieve the alternative action, it shouldn't happen from just pressing F12
[09:31] <crimsondusk> it happens for me
[09:31] <crimsondusk> this is a hp g030
[09:31] <crimsondusk> it does not happen if I hold down the fn key while pressing f12
[09:35] <crimsondusk> interesting... xev doesn't pick up on the fn key at all
[09:36] <crimsondusk> also, pressing f12 without fn held, in addition to toggling wireless, appears to input a strange character
[09:39] <crimsondusk> pressing f12 without fn causes an x11 key press with keycode 255
[09:39] <crimsondusk> pressing it with fn yields the expected 96
[09:41] <tsimpson> seems backward, I've never seen that before
[09:44] <crimsondusk> specifying "keycode 255 = F12" doesn't appear to help..
[09:44] <crimsondusk> in xmodmap that is
[09:46] <crimsondusk> guess I have no option but to make yakuake use another key and try not to hit F12 too often :-/
[10:06] <crimsondusk> okay really what the heck... the function keys only work as function keys when pressed with fn, not the other way around
[10:07] <crimsondusk> it's not just f12
[10:07] <tsimpson> did everything work correctly with the original OS (windows)?
[10:08] <tsimpson> or did you do what I usually do and wipe it out right away ;0
[10:08] <crimsondusk> take a guess :)
[10:09] <crimsondusk> that it came with win 8.1 should help with the guess
[10:09] <crimsondusk> except that I merely installed ubuntu on dualboot
[10:09] <tsimpson> I only ask because I suppose it's possible that it could be defective hardware
[10:09] <crimsondusk> because I do need the windows
[10:09] <crimsondusk> yeah... it's not really making any sense otherwise
[10:09] <crimsondusk> I guess I'll go see how it is with win8
[10:17] <crimsondusk> it behaves exactly the same way on windows yeah
[10:17] <crimsondusk> so it's likely a hardware fault :-|
[10:19] <tsimpson> annoying when that happens, but at least you know now
[10:19] <crimsondusk> yeah.. thanks
[10:20] <crimsondusk> something tells me that it's a "feature" by our benelovent corporations
[10:22] <tsimpson> interesting "feature"
[10:43] <crimsondusk> now that I look at this keyboard more closely
[10:44] <crimsondusk> the wi-fi/media controls/prt sc/... are on the foreground with the funciton keys on the top left corner in small letters
[10:44] <crimsondusk> so it really is a "feature"
[10:44] <crimsondusk> :-|
[10:56] <nekoxmachina> Hi! I've got a problem installing project-neon on Trusty. I've added the PPA but it keeps telling me when I apt-get that >project-neon<name> depends on stuff that is not available.
[10:56] <nekoxmachina> What could be the rootcause?
[10:57] <linuxgirl> Does the plasma 5 iso of utopic boot on UEFI and is it x86 or x64?
[10:57] <linuxgirl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:00] <linuxgirl> Does the plasma 5 iso of utopic boot on UEFI and is it x86 or x64?
[11:00] <linuxgirl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[11:01] <tsimpson> I don't know if it boost UEFI, but it is 64bit
[11:05] <nekoxmachina> it /should/ boot ok on uefi
[11:05] <linuxgirl> did  not work here on uefi
[11:18] <nekoxmachina> linuxgirl: may depend on manufacturer of your motherboard
[11:19] <linuxgirl> nekoxmachina: L'iso Tahr marche sur UEFI
[12:17] <nixnash> hello
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hey nixnash
[12:22] <nixnash> i just installed kubuntu. so far so good
[12:24] <BluesKaj> good :)
[12:24] <nixnash> i have about 4 storage devices (hdd/sdd). sda is my ssd for windows 7. sdc is my 300gb hdd for kubuntu. during the kubuntu installation i mistakenly told the installer app to install the bootloader on sda1, so that ended up whiping out the efi bootloader used for windows 7.
[12:25] <nixnash> where can i find some directions to install grub on sdc with an option to load windows 7 from sda?
[12:26] <linuxgirl> nixnash: EFI does not "wipe out" bootloaders of another OS
[12:26] <linuxgirl> You should be able to increase the boot order of Windows loader in the EFI setup
[12:26] <nixnash> linuxgirl: the kubuntu installer wiped out the ms bootloader on the windows drive
[12:26] <linuxgirl> nixnash: It cannot unless you erased Windows or the ESP
[12:27] <BluesKaj> nixnash, I have a similar setup, the bootloader is installed to the mbr on sda by default, just run sudo update-grub and it will find windows 7
[12:27] <nixnash> i know i can relatively easily fix the windows efi bootloader with a windows installation disk. but i dont want to swap the boot disk priority to change operating systems.
[12:27] <linuxgirl> Its not like MBR it should result in an EFI partition should have two folders one called Microsoft and one called Ubuntu
[12:28] <nixnash> ok. either way, the kubuntu installation made the windows bootloader on the sda drive stop working (for now)
[12:28] <linuxgirl> There is no overwriting and only one loader in the MBR
[12:29] <linuxgirl> Did you delete the EFI partition before installing?
[12:29] <nixnash> nope
[12:29] <nixnash> i didnt change any partitions on the windows ssd. just the hdd for linux
[12:29] <BluesKaj> darn uefi, really muks things up for us used to the old reliable BIOS system
[12:30] <linuxgirl> BluesKaj: EFI is a good system actually
[12:30] <linuxgirl> But some EFI's are buggy on some computers
[12:30] <linuxgirl> The nice thing is you can have multiple loaders installed and select the one you want in the setup utility
[12:31] <BluesKaj> nixnash, try running sudo os-prober, then run, sudo update-grub
[12:31] <nixnash> BluesKaj: will do. thanks!
[12:31] <linuxgirl> BluesKaj: OS-prober is not useful with EFI :P
[12:32] <linuxgirl> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#UEFI_systems_2  This might help (ignore the installing grub part as that's for arch)
[12:32] <nixnash> linuxgirl: is there a different utility that would work instead of os-prober?
[12:32] <nixnash> nvm
[12:32] <linuxgirl> Grub is supposed to detect it on its own I thought when using EFI
[12:32] <BluesKaj> linuxgirl, uefi was no help to me at all. I wiped the hdd clean and used legacy mode to install W7 then Kubuntu and then all was well
[12:33] <nixnash> BluesKaj: os-prober gives no output
[12:33] <nixnash> does it output to a file?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> linuxgirl, no thatdidn't work for me
[12:33] <linuxgirl> But sometimes it does not and needs to be done manually especially if fast boot is on on Windows 8 when you install
[12:34] <BluesKaj> nixnash, what about sudo update-grub
[12:34] <nixnash> BluesKaj: it found linux images
[12:34] <nixnash> nothing about the windows 7
[12:35] <linuxgirl> BluesKaj: The nice thing with EFI is you can use a bootable UEFI shell with a command line interface from where you can locate any .EFI file and boot it even if its not working with the computer directly
[12:35] <BluesKaj> 0k nixnash then i guess linuxgirl's advice is the way to go
[12:35] <linuxgirl> Is Windows 7 installed in UEFI mode?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> linuxgirl, UEFI isn't necessary for a successful dual boot setup. It's unecessarily complicated for my needs , perhaps those who want to retain W8.1 it might be useful, but anyone wanting to use W7 there's no point in it
[12:38] <nixnash> linuxgirl: i believe so
[12:39] <nixnash> linuxgirl: fdisk doesnt support gpt (when i do fdisk /dev/sda)
[12:39] <linuxgirl> Most people would probably say the same if they used UEFI only and switched to MBR.  BluesKaj I felt the same way for some time until I took the time to learn it. But each to his / her own
[12:39] <linuxgirl> nixnash: Does ubuntu boot?
[12:39] <nixnash> yup
[12:39] <nixnash> it runs fantastic
[12:40] <nixnash> it goes straight to ubuntu, no grub/lilo screen
[12:40] <linuxgirl> I have a similar setup with sda and sdb . Linux and Windows are on different drives but both EFI's are in the EFI partition of sda
[12:40] <linuxgirl> Another thing is before installing Ubuntu there is an option in the EFI /bios setup called lock boot order or something that must be disabled
[12:41] <linuxgirl> ok so can you mount the ESP ?
[12:41] <nixnash> esp?
[12:41] <linuxgirl> EFI system partition
[12:41] <nixnash> yes
[12:41] <linuxgirl> mount and and output its folders
[12:41] <linuxgirl> (here)
[12:42] <linuxgirl> e.g sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt/
[12:42] <linuxgirl> cd /mnt/
[12:42] <linuxgirl> ls
[12:43] <linuxgirl> Where sdaX is the ESP
[12:44] <nixnash> the contents of the windows partition are here : /media/nixnash/34E01560E015299E/
[12:44] <BluesKaj> nixnash, what about the boot sequence in the UEFI/BIOS as linuxgirl mentioned , try using windows drive as default
[12:45] <nixnash> BluesKaj: right now the bios spews out nonsense when i have the windows drive as firstboot.
[12:45] <nixnash> screen of all 9's
[12:45] <linuxgirl> BluesKaj: With EFI usually when there are multiple loaders on the same drive so like mine has options like "Windows loader" "ubuntu"etc in the menu
[12:46] <BluesKaj> you can thank microsoft for the uefi btw, deliberate muckup for other OSs and bootloaders
[12:46] <nixnash> linuxgirl: i mounted /dev/sda3, and now the mount point has the contents of my "c" drive
[12:46] <linuxgirl> Both some PC's have a buggy implementation that sometimes does not detect multiple os's etc (maybe bios update needed)
[12:46] <linuxgirl> Can you output lsblk
[12:47] <linuxgirl> Open Konsole , type "lsblk"and show the output
[12:47] <linuxgirl> (Use paste.kde.org)
[12:47] <nixnash> http://pastebin.com/xzY9uVuf
[12:48] <linuxgirl> "cd /mnt/boot-sav/sda1"
[12:48] <linuxgirl> then output of "ls"
[12:48] <nixnash> directory EFI
[12:48] <linuxgirl> cd EFI/
[12:48] <linuxgirl> then ls
[12:49] <nixnash> directory: Boot & Microsoft
[12:49] <linuxgirl> Hmm normally there ought to be an 'ubuntu'directory as well
[12:50] <linuxgirl> On which partition is ubuntu?
[12:50] <nixnash> sdc[1-3]
[12:53] <linuxgirl> Is your bios menu setup in efi mode?
[12:53] <linuxgirl> Or did you turn on a legacy setting or something
[12:54] <nixnash> i'm not sure
[12:54] <nixnash> is there a way to check without rebooting?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> legacy mode should work unless it was switched after the kubuntu install
[12:54] <nixnash> i didnt change any bios settings except boot disk priority
[12:54] <linuxgirl> BluesKaj: Yeah but if Win was installed in EFI
[12:54] <linuxgirl> and Kubuntu in legacy
[12:54] <linuxgirl> It will never dual boot
[12:55] <nixnash> that sounds so terrible!
[12:55] <linuxgirl> Can you run "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug'
[12:55] <linuxgirl> without " and '
[12:56] <linuxgirl> as root
[12:56] <nixnash> nixnash@DeathStar:/mnt/boot-sav$ sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug
[12:56] <nixnash> grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.
[12:57] <linuxgirl> try "grub-install --target=x86_64_efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug
[12:57] <BluesKaj> nixnash, switch to legacy mode then run the os-prober and grub-update commands
[12:58]  * BluesKaj backs off ...this is not going to work...too many cooks
[12:58] <linuxgirl> nixnash: The first step is obviously to decide if you want to use mbr (legacy) or EFI
[12:59] <nixnash> same error
[12:59] <linuxgirl> nixnash: ok "cd /usr/lib/grub/" then "ls"
[13:00] <nixnash> grub-mkconfig_lib  i386-pc
[13:01] <linuxgirl> is this 64 bit ubuntu?
[13:01] <linuxgirl> *kubuntu
[13:02] <linuxgirl> You can check with "uname -a"
[13:03] <nixnash> yes
[13:03] <nixnash> 64 bit
[13:03] <linuxgirl> Are you currently in legacy mode
[13:03] <linuxgirl> (it seems like that)
[13:04] <linuxgirl> Else there has to be an Ubuntu folder in the ESP
[13:06] <nixnash> so does that mean i'll need to reinstall windows or ubuntu?
[13:06] <linuxgirl> One sec
[13:07] <nixnash> sure. i appreciate the help, take your time
[13:08] <linuxgirl> When you installed Kubuntu did you see a boot menu like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/rL6Jh.jpg
[13:08] <linuxgirl> Or did it have more colours and a Kubuntu logo?
[13:08] <nixnash> no, i see a kubuntu logo
[13:08] <linuxgirl> (Boot menu not splash screen)
[13:08] <nixnash> i said earlier, it boots right into kubuntu, its a splash screen
[13:09] <linuxgirl> Then you installed Kubuntu in MBR mode and Windows in EFI mode .
[13:09] <nixnash> i see no grub/lilo boot menus
[13:09] <nixnash> not suprised.
[13:09] <linuxgirl> I'm refering to the live cd / usb not the installed system
[13:09] <nixnash> oh
[13:10] <nixnash> i booted off the cd in the 'test kubuntu'
[13:10] <nixnash> then i ran the installer
[13:10] <linuxgirl> I meant at this stage https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Identifying_if_the_computer_boots_the_Ubuntu_DVD_in_EFI_mode
[13:10] <linuxgirl> What did you see?
[13:11] <nixnash> not efi mode
[13:12] <linuxgirl> The simplest solution would be to change to EFI mode (not both mode) with CSM support off in the UEFI /bios setup tool
[13:12] <linuxgirl> Then install Kubuntu again
[13:12] <nixnash> aww bummer
[13:12] <nixnash> i spent hours getting all my crap installed and setup on kubuntu
[13:12] <linuxgirl> Select your partitions as you want and but the boot on /dev/sda (you can do otherwise but with EFI there is no real use for that)
[13:13] <linuxgirl> If you switch to UEFI mode and CSM off I guess Windows would boot
[13:13] <nixnash> i'd rather reinstall windows 7 at this point
[13:14] <linuxgirl> But its not the only way and indeed if you only install grub in EFI mode it can be fixed
[13:14] <nixnash> hrm
[13:14] <nixnash> ok. i'll have to take a detailed look at the page you linked me.
[13:15] <linuxgirl> Note to boot with EFI on a device it needs to have a ESP formatted in Fat
[13:15] <linuxgirl> Only your /dev/sda seems to have one
[13:16] <linuxgirl> But you can boot sdb etc with the ESP of sda
[13:16] <nixnash> i have to get going now, later tonight i'll come back to this. thanks again for all of the help
[13:16] <linuxgirl> No problem
[13:17] <linuxgirl> If you want to install Windows 7 now in legacy mode and then fix ubuntu's boot that is also an option. Personally I'd use UEFI on systems that support it. but that's optional
[13:59] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:32] <omerraja> join ubuntu
[15:32] <omerraja> #join ubuntu'
[15:33] <omerraja> join #ubuntu
[15:33] <tsimpson> it's /join #ubuntu
[15:33] <omerraja> #ubuntu
[17:31] <andy___> hello
[17:31] <Guest94415> hello
[17:33] <Guest94415> does anyone kne the RAM requirements for kubuntu?
[17:35] <obert> Guest94415: 2GB: first paragrph of the first page of the doc
[17:35] <Guest94415> pity, I've got 1GB
[18:39] <emma> How come these instructions don't work for me -- http://itsfoss.com/install-spotify-ubuntu-1404/
[18:40] <obert> emma: errors?
[18:40] <emma> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repository.spotify.com_dists_stable_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages
[18:41] <emma> Never mind that time it worked
[18:41] <emma> the spotify server must have been down
[18:41] <emma> weird coincidence.


[00:26] <bigjools> roaksoax: around?
[00:56] <roaksoax> bigjools: momentarily
[00:56] <roaksoax> bigjools: what's up
[00:57] <bigjools> roaksoax: I need to talk about chassis ilo but it might take longer than you have
[00:57] <roaksoax> bigjools: well i just came back from running so i'll go take a shower and come back
[00:58] <bigjools> roaksoax: okidoki
[01:11] <roaksoax> bigjools: here
[01:13] <bigjools> roaksoax: right
[01:17] <roaksoax> bigjools: so what's up
[01:17] <bigjools> roaksoax: see internal irc
[17:07] <roaksoax> bigjools: I think we need to allow maas to manage DHCP for different interfaces
[17:31] <kurt_> roaksoax: does it already?
[17:32] <kurt_> s/does/doesn't
[17:43] <roaksoax> kurt_: not it precise at least
[17:45] <kurt_> roaksoax: ok, I thought it did.  If it doesn't it should. :)
[17:49] <roaksoax> kurt_: yeah I thought so too but just came accross an error. Maybe that's fixed in trunk but not in precise
[18:38] <kurt_> roaksoax: has juju 1.13.3 been tested against maas on precise yet?
[18:39] <roaksoax> kurt_: i think it has... I wouldn't know TBH
[18:40] <kurt_> ok
[22:38] <bigjools> roaksoax: we only manage one interface on a CC
[22:38] <bigjools> it is an outstanding feature request to do more than one
[22:47] <bigjools> smoser: is the output of the pack_install() call a binary blob?  ie do I need to base64 encode it so it can go in a preseed and will the receiving end cope with that
[22:55] <bigjools> roaksoax: also are you in the process of changing the packaging to depend on the new pgarray?  if not I can do it.
[23:16] <bigjools> roaksoax: also see last comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204507 looks like a packaging bug


[14:46] <cloudrf> Xubuntu is best
[14:47] <bazhang> why so
[14:47] <cloudrf> actual desktop with icons
[14:47] <cloudrf> lol
[14:47] <bazhang> ubuntu has that
[14:47] <cloudrf> i guess lubuntu probably has that too
[14:47] <bazhang> learn to use the tweak tools
[14:48] <cloudrf> i havent played with unity
[14:48] <bazhang> seems the knowledge of Unity stopped pretty much from when it came out
[14:48] <bazhang> it's changed HUGELY
[14:48] <cloudrf> i did want to fiddle with gnome 3 a bit
[14:49] <cloudrf> does gnome tools work for that?
[14:49] <bazhang> but slashdot likes to slam Ubuntu with their lack of facts articles, so UNITY SUX
[14:49] <bazhang> Unity is gnome3
[14:49] <bazhang> its a shell.
[14:49] <cloudrf> i know that bazhang
[14:49] <bazhang> as is gnome-shell
[14:49] <bazhang> so why say GNOME3
[14:49] <cloudrf> as is cinammon-shell and so on
[14:49] <bazhang> it's not something separate
[14:50] <bazhang> gnome-shell and unity shell are both highly configurable, at least as of last weekend
[14:50] <cloudrf> i right well, i like the interface of gnome 3, but would like a desktop like gnome 2
[14:50] <cloudrf> last weekend?
[14:50] <bazhang> perhaps they have reverted back to when slashdot said Unity sucked
[14:51] <bazhang> yes last weekend
[14:51] <bazhang> when I tweaked both
[14:51] <cloudrf> no, listen i dont bash any desktop
[14:51] <cloudrf> i just like xfce better
[14:51] <bazhang> it was there by omission
[14:52] <bazhang> gnome-panel is the "classic look"
[14:52] <cloudrf> configurable from the start very light weight
[14:52] <bazhang> and of gnome 3.8, there will be another "classic look"
[14:52] <cloudrf> right on
[14:52] <bazhang> s/of/as of/
[14:52] <IdleOne> Don't mind bazhang. he woke up grumpy in 1993 and hasn't been right since.
[14:52] <IdleOne> :P
[14:53] <cloudrf> ive been a linux user since i was a kid
[14:53] <cloudrf> back in 99
[14:53] <bazhang> it's odd how Unity gets such bad press, but it's VERY configurable with the present tools
[14:53] <bazhang> gnome-shell is much less stable
[14:54] <cloudrf> i like light-weight desktop that doesnt skimp on the amount of configuration
[14:54] <bazhang> the unity lenses make it truly invaluable
[14:55] <bazhang> xubuntu is hardly lightweight
[14:55] <bazhang> unless 4GB ram is lightweight
[14:55] <cloudrf> huh?
[14:56] <cloudrf> 4 gigs
[14:56] <bazhang> which part was unclear
[14:56] <cloudrf> i am not using 4 gigs..
[14:56] <bazhang> phoronix and others matched up Unity shell with gnome against xubuntu
[14:56] <bazhang> -no appreciable difference-
[14:57] <cloudrf> i have 8 gigs of ram, using a total of 450 megs of ram
[14:57] <bazhang> lubuntu IS lightweight
[14:57] <bazhang> kde4 xfce4 gnome, not so much
[14:58] <cloudrf> more light than say windblows
[14:58] <bazhang> never use it, no idea
[14:58] <bazhang> too complicated
[14:58] <cloudrf> we are talking 4 gigs on boot
[14:58] <cloudrf> at least
[14:59] <bazhang> of course I try each new release from MS
[14:59] <bazhang> but after a short time erase it and back to the sleekness that is UBUNTU
[15:00] <bazhang> Vista was shorter than most
[15:02] <cloudrf> well ive played with several distros
[15:02] <cloudrf> several releases
[15:02] <bazhang> I've played with the distrowatch top 100
[15:02] <bazhang> every one, save 3
[15:03] <cloudrf> which 3?
[15:03] <bazhang> LFS
[15:03] <bazhang> and two other no name ones
[15:03] <cloudrf> i definately want to play with that
[15:03] <bazhang> more ordeal than play
[15:04] <cloudrf> not for me
[15:04] <cloudrf> its fun for me
[15:04] <bazhang> gentoo was the limit
[15:04] <bazhang> and ARCH sucked
[15:04] <cloudrf> fedora was broke
[15:04] <cloudrf> i do remember that
[15:05] <bazhang> which release
[15:05] <cloudrf> their newest
[15:05] <bazhang> 17
[15:05] <cloudrf> yup
[15:05] <bazhang> what was "broken"
[15:05] <cloudrf> packagekit was broken
[15:05] <bazhang> so use something else
[15:05] <cloudrf> kept glitching out
[15:06] <cloudrf> had to use terminal yum
[15:06] <cloudrf> shit was waay broke
[15:07] <bazhang> thats all I use with Fedora
[15:07] <bazhang> awww
[15:07] <bazhang> -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[15:08] <cloudrf> well, was trying to find something people friendly
[15:08] <cloudrf> i have to sell computers ya know
[15:08] <bazhang> xubuntu is that
[15:08] <bazhang> I dont like rats
[15:09] <cloudrf> yes, that is why i have been selling my machines with xubuntu on them
[15:09] <bazhang> nice
[15:09] <cloudrf> got a brand new amd a10 5800k 3.8 ghz quad core system
[15:10] <cloudrf> that i have for sale on ebay right now
[15:10] <bazhang> yegads
[15:10] <bazhang> bet that will run VALVE great
[15:10] <cloudrf> yessir
[15:10] <cloudrf> oh it has a 2tb hard drive
[15:10] <bazhang> coming soon TO THE UBUNTU family
[15:11] <cloudrf> 8 gigs of ram
[15:11] <bazhang> and valve runs faster on Linux than on Windows
[15:11] <bazhang> hahahaha
[15:11] <cloudrf> the processor turbos out to 4.2 ghz by itself also
[15:11] <cloudrf> forgot that little tidbit
[15:12] <cloudrf> its sickeningly fast
[15:13] <cloudrf> oh the price 650$
[15:14] <cloudrf> 5 front usb ports, 6 rear, hdmi, desplayport, dvi, vga, optical sound, crossfires with any hd7000 series gfx card
[15:14] <cloudrf> 8 channel audio
[15:14] <cloudrf> it is sick!
[15:15] <cloudrf> soon as steam is ready i will sell those like hotcakes
[15:15] <bazhang> or faster
[15:16] <cloudrf> fm2 socket systems are cheap, but quick
[15:16] <bazhang> the addition of displayport is a nice touch
[15:17] <cloudrf> oh yeah
[15:17] <cloudrf> its the black edition processor too so its overclockable
[15:17] <bazhang> nice
[15:18] <cloudrf> hp, dell dont have the balls to do that
[15:19] <cloudrf> for another 26$ i will add another 8 gigs of ram too
[15:20] <IdleOne> cloudrf: Remember to keep it family friendly
[15:20] <cloudrf> sorry
[15:21] <DJones> cloudrf: I read 26$ as a 286 processor :)
[15:21] <cloudrf> lol
[15:21] <cloudrf> 16 gigs of ram at this point for a xfce load of linux is pointless tho
[15:22] <DJones> And I hope the "lol" is at the 286 processor comment, not IdleOne's :)
[15:22] <cloudrf> lol  was at 286
[15:23] <cloudrf> reminds me of that pentium 3 secc i took in for scrap the other day
[15:24] <cloudrf> i kept it for a sovennir
[15:25] <cloudrf> i was actually trying to find a venue to sell linux machines to increase output
[15:25] <cloudrf> locally i load about 15 machines a week
[15:26] <IdleOne> that is pretty good
[15:27] <cloudrf> i make 50 on each load i do
[15:28] <IdleOne> seems a low profit margin
[15:28] <cloudrf> i customize the interface to their needs and send them out with a smile
[15:28] <IdleOne> but at least it is profit
[15:29] <cloudrf> not everybody needs every item on the xfce taskbars
[15:30] <cloudrf> some people i load extra, and some of the beginners i load less
[15:31] <cloudrf> wanna get their feet wet and show them that we are not windows and we have something to offer that is better
[15:32] <cloudrf> 120 people lost their jobs last week because of microsoft's windows 8 release
[15:32] <cloudrf> and i am fighting back
[15:33] <cloudrf> systemax plant closed
[21:20] <guntbert> I am concerned about the documetation for ubuntu. I've got the impression that team is the most seriously understaffed one. Even a request "I want to help, give me a hint where to start and whom to ask" gets no reply for a long time.
[21:22] <AlanBell> there is a lot to document
[21:22] <AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is where the effort is going
[21:28] <guntbert> AlanBell: indeed? then the issue is more serious - on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam I find no reference to that site
[21:29] <guntbert> AlanBell: I was not talking about creating apps and documenting them
[21:34] <guntbert> I was talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/ , both the official and the community part, bug reports get no response for a long time... - mind you I don't rant, but it looks like the issue is growing and the number of workers/volunteers is too small to handle it
[21:37] <AlanBell> yeah, you are not wrong
[21:38] <guntbert> AlanBell: :-)
[21:39] <AlanBell> developer.ubuntu.com for the desktop and for server stuff juju.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <AlanBell> that is where the platform documentation is really
[21:42] <guntbert> AlanBell: are you implying that help.ubuntu.com has been abandoned?
[21:46] <AlanBell> not really, it has been updated for 12.10
[21:46] <guntbert> a short look at those sites doesn't give the impression that I will find what I need - juju is all about "cloud", not every server is part of one, and developer seems to be all about developing new apps - not about using the system to do ordinary work
[21:46] <AlanBell> probably will be updated again for 13.04
[21:47] <AlanBell> indeed, you won't find what you need on those sites, however the people that canonical is pitching the platform to probably will :)
[21:50] <guntbert> AlanBell: as for the updates: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - it ends with 11.10 with an inconsistent link to 12.04 somewhere else


[12:34] <Mr_KaShAnA> hi
[12:35] <Mr_KaShAnA> is the 15.10 version released?
[12:35] <Mr_KaShAnA> i saw it on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:19] <Pici> not yet
[13:19] <Mr_KaShAnA> it'll be released today in the afternoon?
[13:26] <Pici> yep
[13:26] <Mr_KaShAnA> k thx
[18:47] <ethan_m42> which linux kernel should I install in lubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf?
[18:48] <redwolf> kernel? then one shipped with :)
[18:48] <ethan_m42> should I install 4.2 or 4.3RC?
[18:49] <redwolf> I wouldn't change the 4.2
[18:49] <ethan_m42> redwolf you have a similar nick name with werewolf
[18:49] <redwolf> but that's my advise
[18:49] <redwolf> *advice
[18:51] <ethan_m42> if I put a 4.3 will it have problems?
[18:51] <redwolf> not many, as the only thing it changed inside is a major driver inclusion
[18:52] <redwolf> also, it'll be upgraded in a couple months, with any possible bug fixed
[19:04] <ianorlin> I would use 4.2 unless you have specific problems
[19:04] <redwolf> ethan_m42, YES :D
[19:05] <redwolf> I am a wolf :)
[19:08] <ethan_m42> I tried to upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10 and it downloads for too long
[19:08] <ethan_m42> it does not stop to download stuff
[19:08] <ethan_m42> ist it normal?
[19:09] <redwolf> ethan_m42, depending on your connection, it may last more than 1 hour
[19:09] <redwolf> don't worry, Windows needs 8 hours :D
[19:09] <ethan_m42> my connection is not slow
[19:09] <redwolf> maybe the mirror you selected or the one by default is not responding
[19:10] <redwolf> also everybody is accessing our servers right now :)
[19:10] <ianorlin> yeah the servers get lots of people like omg new install on release day
[19:56] <Kamilion> ethan_m42: shouldn't have any problems building 4.3 yourself. You'll probably need to build a couple other things tied to the kernel version, like linux-tools for perf and btrfs-tools for the 'btrfs' tool.
[19:57] <ethan_m42> I am not that advanced
[19:57] <Kamilion> There should be no reason to, unless you have some preproduction intel hardware that 4.2.0-16 won't recognize.
[19:57] <ethan_m42> ok I stay with 4.2
[19:57] <ethan_m42> it sounds ok
[19:58] <Kamilion> if you check the changelog for 4.2.0-16, it says it cherrypicked a few commits from 4.3RC
[19:58] <Kamilion> It's unlikely you'd ever notice the difference unless you're a hardware developer.
[19:59] <jog1> how can one group like windows in the panel?
[19:59] <Kamilion> and if any security issues are taken care of in 4.3, you'll get an update to 4.2.0-16 from the cherrypick, probably.
[19:59] <Kamilion> jog1: I am not sure lxpanel has support for that; but if it does and you find out how, I'd sure like to know as well.
[20:02] <jog1> Kamilion, there should be a way
[20:03] <Kamilion> jog1: are you saying that meaning, you have seen screenshots of that behavior and are trying to replicate it, or are you meaning "it is something that should be done if it has not already been"?
[20:04] <Kamilion> stupid ambiguous english language. *grumble*
[20:05] <Kamilion> I know win7 does it; and it's been something I've wanted to see in lxpanel for a while, however LXDE seems to have died off when razor-qt and lxde joined forces to become the lxqt project
[20:06] <Kamilion> so don't expect to see it, if it's not already a supported feature that can just be turned on.
[20:10] <ianorlin> I think if you have like a really new intel integrated graphics that just came out a few months ago I think gained something better in 4.3 I think
[20:10] <ianorlin> well those new processors have been hard to get
[20:29] <Kamilion> woo, my ratio's just gone over 30 for the lubuntu ISOs.
[20:29] <Kamilion> upload speeds are finally slowing down too, there's nobody left to blast 3.5MB/sec at now
[20:30] <Kamilion> just little DSL lines choking down 600KB/sec


[09:19] <ev> stgraber: thanks for the ubiquity fixes!
[11:34] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4952 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[11:34] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Manually connect the activate-link signal on the advanced
[11:34] <CIA-45> ubiquity: partitioning tool link on the automatic partitioning page.
[11:34] <CIA-45> ubiquity: GtkBuilder signal mapping appears to be broken (LP: #852054).
[14:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: hi! I was wondering, is there an easy way I can run netcfg in the exact same way d-i does without starting d-i entirely?
[14:14] <cjwatson> not really, I'm afraid
[14:14] <cjwatson> netcfg is quite close to the start of d-i though so it's not too time-consuming
[14:15] <stgraber> ok, back to trying to get d-i to run in lxc then ;)
[14:15] <cjwatson> you need a debconf frontend in place, it probably relies on details of cdebconf, and I bet it isn't robust against all sorts of things only true in d-i
[14:57] <stgraber> yeah! got d-i to start in an lxc container ;)
[14:57] <stgraber> and netcfg seems to work fine in there
[15:11] <highvoltage> hmm, that's interesting. so someone could install an lxc host like it's a VM?
[15:11] <highvoltage> *guest, that is
[15:14] <stgraber> well, if you have a separate block device for the container, I guess it'd work yes
[15:14] <stgraber> in my case, I don't and I didn't allow the container to see any of my block devices, so I can install using iscsi on my iscsi server but that's about it ;)
[15:33] <ev> I'm working on a fix for bug 837406, which actually appears to be the partitioning page's fault.  At the same time, I'm trying to construct a test to ensure that the installer window does not grow beyond the minimum netbook resolution we've set as the lower bound as we hit these sizing bugs multiple times a release, and I'd like to catch them a lot sooner :)
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 837406 in ubiquity "installer dialogue buttons fall off bottom of the screen on netbooks with small displays" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837406
[15:43] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1532 ubuntu/ (57 files in 2 dirs): Update help text translations from Launchpad.
[15:45] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1533 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu64
[15:59] <cjwatson> ev: do you have any notion about bug 848938?  I looked at it a bit on Friday, but I couldn't find documentation of the NM API we're using
[15:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 848938 in ubiquity ""Download updates" unavailable after connecting to WiFi" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848938
[15:59] <cjwatson> it's Critical and beta-2, so we need to either deal with it or explicitly defer it
[16:00] <ev> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager//developers/api/09/spec.html
[16:00] <ev> I'll have a look after this page sizing stuff
[16:01] <ev> should be fairly straightforward
[16:01] <ev> might take the opportunity to better handle online/offline globally within ubiquity while I'm there
[16:01] <cjwatson> aha.  great, thanks
[16:02] <cjwatson> if you don't do an upload before you finish today, BTW, please let me know whether there's anything blocking me doing one, since I expect beta-2 CD builds to start tomorrow morning
[16:03] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4955 trunk/debian/changelog: typo
[16:03] <ev> cjwatson: will do, thanks
[17:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://www.stgraber.org/download/installer01.tar.gz if you unpack that in /var/lib/lxc, then run rebuild.sh from /var/lib/lxc/installer01 and finally run lxc-start -n installer01, you'll get d-i running in a container
[17:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: everything seems to work fine as long as you don't try to partition anything (as the container isn't allowed access to block devices)
[17:16] <cjwatson> what's in that tarball?
[17:17] <stgraber> LXC config, a replacement init script, an initrd.gz from the installer (guess I could just have left a link to archive.u.c for that one), a preseed file and a script that unpacks the initrd and converts it into a container
[17:18] <stgraber> rebuild.sh basically unpacks the initrd into the rootfs directory (root of the container), then replaces /sbin/init by a script that tweaks the environment to simulate what we usually have on a cd and copies a preseed file to the / of the container
[17:19] <stgraber> lxc-start then simply starts that container showing you d-i executing the preseed. calling "lxc-stop -n installer01" from another shell is currently the only safe way of killing the container (reboot/halt don't work at the moment)
[17:23] <cjwatson> might be worth a target in debian-installer/build/Makefile to build it
[17:23] <cjwatson> or debian-installer/build/config/x86.cfg or whatever's appropriate
[17:24] <cjwatson> grabbed, thanks, may have a look at some point :)
[17:28] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4956 trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[17:28] <CIA-45> ubiquity: The first partitioning page does not translate its options ahead of
[17:28] <CIA-45> ubiquity: time, so ensure that the placeholder text isn't so long as to create
[17:28] <CIA-45> ubiquity: the installer window to grow excessively large before partitioning
[17:28] <CIA-45> ubiquity: is reached (LP: #837406).
[17:31] <stgraber> oh, that was the problem, interesting
[17:59] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4957 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[17:59] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Use the new network-manager interface on the prepare page to disable
[17:59] <CIA-45> ubiquity: options that need an Internet connection when one is not available
[17:59] <CIA-45> ubiquity: (LP: #848938).
[18:24] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4958 trunk/ (151 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[18:26] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4959 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[18:26] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: flash-kernel
[18:26] <CIA-45> ubiquity: 2.28ubuntu32.
[18:30] <ev> flash-kernel is busted, uploading a fix now
[18:30] <ev> ubiquity's shell syntax checker caught it (yay)
[18:37] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4960 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Update to fixed flash-kernel.
[18:39] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4961 trunk/tests/pyflakes.exclude: ignore unused import in tests/test_ubi_partman. It's needed by GtkBuilder.
[18:48] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'm finally doing some ipv6 tests with d-i. I'm getting a permission denied on dhcpv6-info as it's 644 instead of 755, I'm guessing that's a bug? :)
[18:49] <stgraber> (result is no working ipv6 when using dhcpv6 at least)
[18:49] <cjwatson> oops
[18:53] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1270 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog print-dhcp6c-info print-dhcpv6-info): Make print-dhcp6c-info and print-dhcpv6-info executable.
[18:53] <stgraber> cjwatson: when making them executable before starting netcfg, dhclient seems to run just fine but after that I still don't have an IPv6 address on the interface or DNS config in /etc/resolv.conf
[18:53] <stgraber> cjwatson: though all the details are correct in /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.leases
[18:55] <stgraber> syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693245/
[18:55] <cjwatson> le sigh
[18:55] <stgraber> dhclient6.leases: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693246/
[18:56] <stgraber> dhclient.leases: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693249/
[18:56] <stgraber> resolv.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693250/
[18:57] <cjwatson> hm, the syslog looks plausible enough
[18:58] <cjwatson> this usually requires strace
[18:58] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1271 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.68ubuntu3
[18:58] <cjwatson> last time I saw this it was the DHCP client tearing stuff down, but I thought I'd fixed that
[18:59] <stgraber> let me see if I can get the same happening in a container (that was in a VM), if I do, strace/gdb/whatever will be extremely easy :)
[19:00] <cjwatson> heh, yeah, though strace in d-i is easy enough
[19:00] <cjwatson> anna-install strace-udeb
[19:00] <cjwatson> or anna/choose_modules=strace-udeb as a boot parameter
[19:00] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4962 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.7.30
[19:00] <ev> right, home. Text me if the world catches fire.
[19:01] <cjwatson> k
[19:01] <cjwatson> thanks
[19:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693257/ (strace -fF of netcfg)
[19:08] <cjwatson> hmm, I misread the syslog anyway, print-dhcp6c-info apparently didn't print anything
[19:08] <cjwatson> ... or even print-dhcpv6-info
[19:09] <cjwatson> stgraber: I could use -v on strace as well
[19:10] <cjwatson> where the heck did my CD-RWs go?  having to use a DVD-RW and it takes forever to blank
[19:10] <stgraber> cjwatson: with -v http://paste.ubuntu.com/693261/
[19:11] <cjwatson> 14733 execve("/lib/netcfg/print-dhcpv6-info", ["/lib/netcfg/print-dhcpv6-info"], ["pid=14732", "reason=PREINIT6", "interface=eth0", "/build/buildd/isc-dhcp-4.1.1-P1/"...]) = 0
[19:11] <cjwatson> wonder if that's truncated
[19:12] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'm guessing print-dhcpv6-info isn't supposed to print "end" before printing useful stuff?
[19:13] <cjwatson> would sort of expect stuff like PATH
[19:13] <cjwatson> it prints end at the end
[19:13] <stgraber> well, for me it prints it at the beginning and at the end
[19:13] <cjwatson> it's the last line in the script ...
[19:13] <cjwatson> and your strace doesn't show it printing anything else
[19:14] <stgraber> running: "dhclient -6 -cf /varlib/netcfg/dhclient6.conf -sf /lib/netcfg/print-dhcpv6-info" gives me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693263/
[19:14] <cjwatson> ARGH.  accidentally SIGQUITting dvd+rw-format is NOT GOOD
[19:14] <cjwatson> one coaster
[19:14] <cjwatson> in fact one unejectable coaster, eek
[19:15] <cjwatson> oh, it's still running in the background I think
[19:15] <cjwatson> hate hardware
[19:16] <cjwatson> oh, that's interesting, it runs print-dhcpv6-info twice
[19:16] <cjwatson> I think print-dhcpv6-info needs to check $reason
[19:17] <cjwatson> try http://paste.ubuntu.com/693267/ ?
[19:20] <stgraber> ok, I only see it run once now, though I still don't get an IP on eth0 and resolv.conf still only has ipv4 dns servers
[19:21] <cjwatson> can I have an updated strace?
[19:21] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693273/
[19:22]  * stgraber needs to make a udeb for pastebinit (though that probably means porting it to C ;))
[19:22] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1272 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog print-dhcpv6-info):
[19:22] <CIA-45> netcfg: print-dhcpv6-info: Exit immediately if reason is not BOUND6, RENEW6, or
[19:22] <CIA-45> netcfg: REBIND6.
[19:26] <cjwatson> urgh, truncated strings
[19:26] <cjwatson> stgraber: (a) for subsequent straces could I have -s1024 as well (b) could I have an updated syslog?
[19:26] <cjwatson> silly strace defaults
[19:26] <cjwatson> 14921 sendto(7, "<15>Sep 19 19:20:59 netcfg[14921"..., 84, MSG_NOSIGNAL, NULL, 0) = 84
[19:26] <cjwatson> ^- tantalising
[19:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693275/ (I wiped the syslog just before my last netcfg test)
[19:28] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1273 ubuntu/ (autoconfig.c debian/changelog):
[19:28] <CIA-45> netcfg: Don't bother unlinking /var/lib/netcfg/dhcp6c-finished unless we're
[19:28] <CIA-45> netcfg: using dhcp6c.
[19:29] <cjwatson> Sep 19 19:21:06 main-menu[332]: (process:14919): ip: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[19:29] <cjwatson> hmm, may not be relevant
[19:29] <stgraber> cjwatson: new strace http://paste.ubuntu.com/693278/
[19:29] <cjwatson> wait, with ISC-DHCP the dhclient-script is meant to *actually bring the interface up* isn't it?
[19:30] <cjwatson> I think WIDE was entirely different
[19:30] <cjwatson> that would explainn the lack of IPv6 address but not the lack of IPv6 nameservers
[19:31] <stgraber> oh, indeed. Just ran dhclient with the -sf and everything got set just fine (now to reset everything so we can still debug ;))
[19:31] <cjwatson> oh, in fact with ISC, dhclient-script deals with resolv.conf as well
[19:31] <cjwatson> sigh
[19:32] <cjwatson> I suspect this may not have worked properly with WIDE either :-/
[19:35] <cjwatson> however, it's not very obvious what to do if both DHCPv6 and DHCPv4 give us nameservers
[19:35] <cjwatson> the stock dhclient-script keeps nameservers from only the second one to run
[19:36] <cjwatson> though isc's udeb script could use some improvements on that front
[19:37] <stgraber> ideally you'd also like to handle the case where you get 3 DNS servers from either dhcpv4 or dhcpv6 so that the first 3 nameserver entries in resolv.conf contain a mix of ipv4 and ipv6
[19:42] <cjwatson> so I guess we want http://paste.ubuntu.com/693284/ in netcfg and http://paste.ubuntu.com/693285/ in isc-dhcp, at least to start with
[19:42] <cjwatson> it doesn't handle combining results from the two, but it should be better than what we have now
[19:43] <stgraber> yeah, I guess that'd be a good start. Can you paste the complete files so I can copy them to my VM for testing?
[19:46] <cjwatson> and is closer to the current main dhclient-script
[19:46] <cjwatson> (I couldn't bear to copy the horrible sed thing, and I doubt it would work with busybox sed anyway.  grep -i is much simpler)
[19:47] <stgraber> yeah, I also noticed that d-i's busybox doesn't have an ipv6 aware version of ping, doesn't really help for automated testing :) at least netcat seems fine
[19:47] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693290/
[19:47] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693291/
[19:47] <cjwatson> netcfg and isc-dhcp respectively
[19:52] <stgraber> ok, I have an IPv6! and resolv.conf is the one received from dhcpv4
[19:53] <cjwatson> whee.  that's the best we'll manage for beta-2 IMO
[19:53] <cjwatson> anything else that should be rolled in at the same time?
[19:53] <stgraber> if you can wait 10 more minutes, I can quickly test all my testcases on that patched netcfg
[19:54] <cjwatson> ok, sure
[19:54] <cjwatson> I'll go downstairs then, back in a while
[20:04] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/693299/
[20:05] <stgraber> cjwatson: so only problem I saw happening (just once) was eth0 being brought down by something
[20:09] <stgraber> trying a v6-only install now to make sure there isn't something else horribly broken later in the installer
[20:19] <CIA-45> ubiquity: evand * r4963 ubiquity/ (d-i/update-control debian/changelog debian/control): Build-depend on the GTK3 version of libindicator.
[20:22] <stgraber> yeah, got ubuntu server to install on a v6-only network! will have to try again once we have these fixes in a new netcfg as that VM is far from clean ;)
[20:39] <cjwatson> OK, that sounds a hell of a lot better than the prior state, so I'll go ahead and upload that lot
[20:39] <cjwatson> thanks!
[20:39] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1274 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog print-dhcpv6-info):
[20:39] <CIA-45> netcfg: print-dhcpv6-info: Actually apply IPv6 address and resolv.conf entries
[20:39] <CIA-45> netcfg: received from the DHCPv6 server.
[20:42] <CIA-45> netcfg: cjwatson * r1275 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.68ubuntu4
[21:03] <CIA-45> apt-setup: cjwatson * r222 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control):
[21:03] <CIA-45> apt-setup: Make apt-setup-udeb Architecture: any so that we can use different
[21:03] <CIA-45> apt-setup: multiarch defaults on different architectures.
[21:05] <CIA-45> apt-setup: cjwatson * r223 ubuntu/debian/changelog: last commit fixes LP: #853738
[21:06] <CIA-45> apt-setup: cjwatson * r224 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.49ubuntu8
[21:42] <infinity> Anyone fixing the ubiquity FTBFS?
[21:43] <infinity> I'll take that as a "no, please fix".
[21:45] <infinity> Or..
[21:45] <infinity> ev: You already have a fix comitted?
[21:45] <infinity> ev: Is that being tested and uploaded?
[22:19] <CIA-45> apt-setup: cjwatson * r225 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog rules): Fix non-i386 builds.
[22:20] <CIA-45> apt-setup: cjwatson * r226 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.49ubuntu9
[22:20] <cjwatson> infinity: 20:00 <ev> right, home. Text me if the world catches fire.
[22:20] <cjwatson> (3h20m ago)
[22:21] <infinity> cjwatson: Ahh, I wasn't in the channel to see that.
[22:21] <cjwatson> infinity: can you pastebin the test failure?
[22:21] <cjwatson> yeah, I noticed you joined later
[22:21] <infinity> cjwatson: Though, you'd think he was aware of the FTBFS, since he committed a fix.
[22:21] <cjwatson> maybe he didn't notice the subsequent failure
[22:22] <infinity> And I think I closed that terminal...  It's been a long day.
[22:23] <infinity> Is there a make target to run the testsuite?
[22:23] <infinity> Ahh, tests.
[22:23] <infinity> I think.
[22:23] <cjwatson> 'debian/rules tests', I think, although I can't vouch for its dependencies
[22:24] <cjwatson> look not too bad
[22:25] <infinity> http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/tests.log
[22:26] <infinity> Just looks like a seriously self-hating testsuite.
[22:38] <cjwatson> hm, mysterious
[22:38]  * cjwatson fires at pbuilder
[22:38] <cjwatson> I mean it basically means some bit early on fell over, but not clear what
[22:39] <infinity> I blame... Everything.
[22:39] <infinity> People shouldn't be expected to think on Monday.
[22:41] <cjwatson> that's OK, most people don't
[22:42] <infinity> *rimshot*
[22:43] <cjwatson> grr.  $ sudo pbuilder --update
[22:43]  * cjwatson yawns
[23:12] <cjwatson> infinity: OK, I think I remember how to fix this kind of thing
[23:18]  * cjwatson cargo-cults code to mock plugin methods
[23:58] <CIA-45> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4964 trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[23:58] <CIA-45> ubiquity: Move setup_power_watch out of the ubi-prepare plugin into a new
[23:58] <CIA-45> ubiquity: ubiquity.upower module, allowing us to patch it out more easily while
[23:58] <CIA-45> ubiquity: running tests. Patch ubiquity.nm.add_connection_watch and
[23:58] <CIA-45> ubiquity: ubiquity.nm.has_connection in the GTK frontend tests as well.


[06:24] <diecastarts> Hailz all .. i know this is not really a support chat .. but anyone know a good one because the #ubuntu channel never responds to me
[06:25] <hypatia> diecastarts: ask away, if anyone knows they will help
[06:25] <hypatia> and you're welcome to ask for support in local channels, that's one of the reasons we're here
[06:27] <diecastarts> oh ok sweet // well i am just trying to find out ,,well how to find the name of the my gamepad .. tring to use jscal or jstest but cannot it the name .. i tried joy0 js0 not working
[06:30] <diecastarts> what i am really tring to do is find the mapping of the buttoms so i can input those in a cfg file for a EMU
[06:31] <diecastarts> its works fine on some programs ... finds it not problem .. but finally have a good working emu but it doesn't have a why to easily config the gamepad buttoms i have to input them manually
[06:36] <hypatia> what emulator are you using?
[06:36] <hypatia> it probably has a config file in which you can save the byttons
[06:36] <hypatia> *buttons
[06:37] <ZykoticK9> diecastarts, your joystick is probably /dev/input/js0 BTW
[06:37] <hypatia> to fing out the name of the gamepad, do lsusb
[06:37] <hypatia> *find
[06:39] <diecastarts> ok that worked /dev/input/js0
[06:39] <diecastarts> thanks again ZykoticK9
[06:39] <ZykoticK9> diecastarts, glad to help
[06:42] <diecastarts> ok so one last question then how do i get the termial to break from that ,, it doing the test but i cannot seem to have it go back to the ~
[06:58] <diecastarts> well it seems i still don't know what to put in this cfg file // if i pastebin it anyone think that they could help??
[07:07] <hypatia> diecastarts: pastebin it, i'll have a look
[07:07] <diecastarts> k one sec
[07:08] <diecastarts> http://pastebin.com/mTZtt0NK
[07:11] <diecastarts> mmm well just looking at a different program where it does work .. and it listed the buttoms as J1 J2 ectect .. not sure if that helps
[07:12] <hypatia> is this the config for your emulator, diecastarts ?
[07:13] <diecastarts> yeah
[07:13] <diecastarts> vba-m
[07:15] <hypatia> hmm, i'm not familiar with it
[07:15] <hypatia> is there any documentation, diecastarts ?
[07:15] <diecastarts> oh ok np
[07:15] <diecastarts> nope just that .. i'll keep looking around
[07:17] <diecastarts> but thanks for looking
[07:18] <diecastarts> I think i have an idea how to do it .. i just open a cfg file and the number are all wayyyy different so i'll try those and see if that helps
[07:18] <diecastarts> thanks for your time
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:34] <diecastarts> hailz all again .. well i am back.. i guess i was no going the correct path to get my joystick wroking with a emu .. but reading into it found it it should be supported its using SDL .. now still not sure how to get it working .. but i also found a program called SDL Configurator but no idea how to use it .. i tried sudo ./SDL-Test the name of the file .. not sure if i have to compile or not .. sorry sooo new it no funny LOL
[14:37] <diecastarts> But i am guessing not a compile thing .. normally you can open the file to read it if it was .. but getting a unknown file when trying to open in gedit
[15:31] <diecastarts> nm all i think i got it
[15:32] <ZykoticK9> diecastarts, is the emulator in question mupen?
[15:33] <diecastarts> nope it vba-m
[15:33] <diecastarts> but i have the SDL-test program working
[15:33] <diecastarts> and it returning the numbers i think i need to put into the cfg file
[15:34] <ZykoticK9> diecastarts, something you may need is "export SDL_JOYSTICK_DEVICE=/dev/input/js0 && PATH_TO_YOUR_EMULATOR" - brb
[15:38] <diecastarts> ZykoticK9, k but i think i'll try this frist because .. the way it look it all set to keyboard these values are different
[15:47] <diecastarts> mm ok well that didn't do it .. but there is something that tell me to multiplied by 2 and different things
[15:49] <ZykoticK9> diecastarts, did you try the export?
[15:50] <diecastarts> http://pastebin.com/RQWMPQ76
[15:50] <diecastarts> nope not sure where the emu is looking for it
[15:50] <diecastarts> but if you look at that you will see what i mean
[15:51] <diecastarts> i only pasted the input joy part
[15:52] <diecastarts> so now i know what the number are for the gamepad ..but this is just confusing
[15:56] <diecastarts> Oh i never notice this // its says to check out SDL_keysym.h
[16:16] <diecastarts> well there is no file like that on my machine ... but the way it looks I need the decive number and then button numbers .. i know the buttons now .. but I tried different combos 021 or 0021 ectect //because lsusb tells me this "Bus 002 Device 021: ID 046d:c216 Logitech, Inc. Dual Action Gamepad"
[18:49] <diecastarts> Hailz all
[18:53] <diecastarts> heya ZykoticK9 you still around?


[00:56] <len-dt> ailo_, Got any ideas about how the screen saver/blanking should be set up for recording or other audio work?
[00:56] <len-dt> What is normal practice?
[00:57] <len-dt> Is normal practice to expect to see what is on the screen for the whole session? or is a blank screen part way through ok?
[00:59] <len-dt> holstein, same question. I am asking both from a performance point of view (does the screen turning off and on affect jack?) and from a workflow view.
[01:00] <len-dt> My thought is that with a flat screen there is no "burn in" so why a "screen saver"?
[01:01] <len-dt> So this is (for anyone who cares to comment) what do you do?
[01:58] <ailo_> len-dt: I haven't spent any time understanding the screen saver. Hasn't caused me any problems so far
[02:14] <len-dt> ailo_, I have had strange things when screen saver stopped started, but that was long time ago now. I have had problems with the nvidia card too, but that is a whole different story.
[02:14] <len-dt> The one I was using on the netbook seemed to have a memory leak though.
[02:15] <len-dt> I was just wondering from a user view if it was easier to work with a screen that was always live or if there any problem with screen blanking being a distraction.
[02:36] <ailo_> len-dt: It might be a problem if you're using something else than mouse and keyboard to control the machine, while you need to monitor visually
[02:37] <ailo_> But, usually you realize that and just disable the screen saving settings
[04:17] <len-dt> ailo_, That was the answer I was looking for... People are so used to screens blanking that it doesn't matter. The only time it does is when using an input device That x doesn't see as an input device. My other thought is that in normal use the mouse or keyboard is getting used more often than the screen time out.
[04:24] <len-dt> There is an article here that says all programs leak memory: http://www.alexonlinux.com/swap-vs-no-swap
[06:37] <frewsxcv> So I was looking at the website, and it sounds like you guys are putting together a new site?
[07:19] <ailo_> frewsxcv: A new is coming shortly, yes
[19:50] <len-dt> astraljava, is xubuntu failing to build these days too?
[20:25] <len-dt> Looks like the 1386 version is.
[20:39] <astraljava> len-dt: I only see amd64 iso files on there, but good that you mentioned that, I have not seen emails about those builds. I have to ask around how I could get them.
[20:40] <len-dt> Ya, I was just asking on xubuntu-devel
[20:41] <len-dt> It looks like a different problem all together. Our last image is may18


[15:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if you have been monitoring #LAD, it seems RT is starting to roll into kernel upstream.
[15:50]  * OvenWerks doesn't know if he is excited or not
[15:50] <Eickmeyer> Huh! interesting. People are still going to look for an RT kernel, though. :P
[18:25] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: from the sound of it, RT will be a switch or two in the build or even at boot. So an RT kernel would be mainline with RT turned on in the same way lowlatency is.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> in my experience switching on lowlatency or RT is not the whole picture anyway. People have gotten so used to plug and play they can't even think any other way.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> but RT/LL requires setup as well as just installing a new kernel.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> USB audio is not RT friendly and the way mother boards are built doesn't help.
[18:29] <OvenWerks> It is easy to end up with a mouse that has has higher priority than the USB audio
[18:29]  * OvenWerks has tripping fingers
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[18:40] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq may help
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> For my USB audio interface, I just make sure it's plugged-in directly to the computer and not via any hub.
[18:42] <OvenWerks> It would seem to be able to prioritise an audio device above a mouse plugged into the same USB port... though I would imagine latency would still be higher.
[18:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: yes, but... there are too many USB ports on computers that are part of an internal hub.
[18:44] <OvenWerks> In fact pretty much all internal USB ports go through a "HUB" internally. Some only have one port to the outside world though.
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> Agreed. USB 3.0+ tends to be better with that since even 2.0 is given more throughput.
[18:44] <Eickmeyer> But older USB 2.0 systems tend to have more difficulty.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> a USB3 hub with SUB2 ports should be the same as separate ports
[18:45] <Eickmeyer> My system has all USB 3, which is probably part of why I don't have that much difficulty.
[18:46] <OvenWerks> I would love to have some script/daemon that when it detects USB audio devices plugged in, checks to see if any other device uses the same port or even IRQ and warn the user that is not a great port to use.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> but it seems it would need to detect USB2 over USB3
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> My audio interface is USB 2, so yeah.
[18:49] <Eickmeyer> I know that if I have WiFi on that there's some interference, but other USB devices don't usually interfere.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> WIFI drivers are notorious for bad drivers
[18:50] <OvenWerks> (having large time consuming atomic code)
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Can I tell nilshi to go F himself?  >:(
[19:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: there is always a new release every 6 months. nilshi is one of those advocating monthly release so he should just understand that.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> Monthly release of what? Ubuntu?
[19:30] <OvenWerks> 12:19 < nilshi> That is beyond my motivation though
[19:30] <OvenWerks> plugins
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. He wants us to have NSM so bad, but he's not motivated to do anything. That's very telling. Wants everyone to do the work for him.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> not really, more a lack of thought. He is willing to do things, but the reality linux lives with is that nothing happens without someone wanting to do things
[19:32] <OvenWerks> Even those wanting to do things have a time elecment that requires prioritizing
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> Well, he's trying his hardest to keep us from including RaySession. I can't include NSM because of NTK, and introducing an entire toolkit is beyond our scope/time.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if one can truely just switch direct from NTK to FLTK by just changing a few lines of code... that would quiet everyone.
[22:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I do see his point, if someone sends a session file along with everything else, it should be able to work on another system. RS does not and will never allow that. Having said that, Ardour/MixBus allows a session made in windows to be used Linux or macos. I don't see any linux sm ever being able to do that.
[22:23] <OvenWerks> ( I guess lash did)
[22:25] <OvenWerks> However, nsm (and rs) relies on the application storing it's last use exit point _somewhere_ so it ends up being a single system only deal anyway.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> the best a transfered NSM session could do would be to restart the same applications and create the jack connections. Each application would show up just started (unless one had really bad luck in which case the wrong file would be loaded) and the user would still have to load the project they wanted and make any settings changes needed to go with it.
[22:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I did look at source for NSM... And it looks to use all FLtk stuff pretty much straight up. I don't see anything that must have NTK. I am not very good figuring out waf scripts...
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The other thing is that assumes that everyone has the same setup, which I guarantee isn't even possible.
[23:38] <OvenWerks> in my mind, that pretty much does away with any complaint about compatable. The only use case for being "more compatable" is to change SM part way through a project...


[14:43] <nopyr> When will lubuntu 16.04.2 be released?
[14:44] <nopyr> I only see 16.04.1 at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS
[16:38] <m52> So, I'm trying to get a keyboard shortcut to respond to a particular bash script I made. I downloaded obkey, but it doesn't seem to have options to trigger the script. I'm unsure how to modify the lubuntu-rc.xml directly/safely to achieve the effect I want.
[16:38] <m52> (Help please?)
[16:39] <m52> (16.10, if it matters)
[22:26] <userhelp> Hi, some one can tellme how to install or configure grub


[11:44] <eZe> Now how do I do it krazykit?
[11:45] <krazykit> see that second line you pasted?  that's the command
[11:45] <funkja> I have a generic MP3 player and when I plug it in it shows up as a usbdevice and i move files to it but when I unplug it, nothing actually stays on the disk. I plug it back in and none of the files I put on it stays. Any ideas?
[11:45] <eZe> When I right click it I dont see unpack under linux option
[11:45] <hangfire> just right click on the file and click extract here
[11:45] <eZe> Where do i type it krazykit?
[11:45] <eyequeue> eZe, tar is the archiver
[11:45] <eZe> in Terminal?
[11:45] <RedDuck> How would I download programs onto a disc for a computer without internet access?
[11:45] <eZe> in archive?
[11:45] <krazykit> eZe: yeah
[11:45] <eyequeue> tar (1)              - The GNU version of the tar archiving utility
[11:45] <krazykit> Terminal
[11:46] <ladydoor> rnalexander:
[11:46] <rnalexander> ??
[11:46] <eZe> Open with Archive Manager?
[11:46] <ladydoor> rnalexander: sorry. ok, this begs the question of whether your internet is up on your ubuntu computer.
[11:46] <erUSUL> funkja: do you actually umount (right click on the icon and choose eject) or you just unplugg it
[11:46] <eyequeue> eZe, that would work as well
[11:46] <ladydoor> rnalexander: can you ping a website (ping www.google.com; use control-c to quit)
[11:46] <ladydoor> ?
[11:46] <eZe> ok thanks for the patience!
[11:46] <funkja> just unplug
[11:46] <rnalexander> ladydoor, yes it is, I pasted the text into my browser from within firefox.
[11:47] <ladydoor> rnalexander: ok, cool. what country is gb?
[11:47] <ladydoor> rnalexander: oh, just kidding
[11:47] <ladydoor> rnalexander: great britain, right? ok...
[11:47] <rnalexander> google resolves to <IP_ADDRESS> and the ttl is 224 time=around 40 ms
[11:47] <erUSUL> funkja: well you can not do that just like in windows you have to tell the so you will unplugg the thing so it can sync contents
[11:47] <rnalexander> Yup!
[11:47] <eZe> Do I need to extract it to desktop or system folder?
[11:47] <funkja> erUSUL: ahh.. good to know. Thank you.
[11:47] <eZe> i mean File System?
[11:47] <erUSUL> funkja: as i said right click on the icon and choose eject
[11:48] <ladydoor> rnalexander: i think your sources.list is set up wrong. just a second
[11:49] <JohnCope> ciao a tutti
[11:49] <lupine_85> !it
[11:49] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:49] <ladydoor> rnalexander: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24716
[11:50] <demio> hello
[11:50] <JohnCope> ops sorry
[11:50] <ladydoor> rnalexander: this is a functional sources.list. replace archive.ubuntu.com with gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <demio> does anyone know how to use repos not in your country?
[11:50] <rnalexander> ladydoor, 24717
[11:50] <JohnCope> I've just installed ubuntu for 64 bit processors
[11:50] <demio> i getting annoyed with the ones in my country being down all the freaking time
[11:50] <ladydoor> rnalexander: eh?
[11:50] <rnalexander> Sorry, I just pasted my file into the pastebin.
[11:51] <rnalexander> Or rather cut and pasted the text of it in there.
[11:51] <RedDuck> How would I download programs onto a disc for an ubuntu computer without internet access?
[11:52] <hangfire> sort of a general non-important question-  I installed a bunch of games with apt-get and not even half of them worked or showed up in my programs menu. Then I installed most all the programs that come with automatix, and now most all my games work. Why is that? Why doesnt Ubuntu support all that stuff from the getgo?
[11:52] <pty> RedDuck: download the .deb files, drag them to the CD/DVD creator in nautilus then install them using dpkg -i program.deb
[11:52] <ladydoor> rnalexander: what do you mean? i'm saying that you can check out that link to see a functional (us) sources.list--yours seems to be set up a little differently
[11:52] <RedDuck> thank you
[11:52] <rnalexander> ladydoor, I'vemade the changes to sources.list (the version in /etc/apt) I'm going to try it now.
[11:53] <RedDuck> pty
[11:53] <ladydoor> rnalexander: cool. you backed it up first, right?
[11:53] <rnalexander> ladydoor, do I need to restart for the new list to take effect?
[11:53] <rnalexander> ladydoor yup!  to my desktop since it didn't give me permission to do it in the directory :-)
[11:53] <ladydoor> rnalexander: no, just do sudo apt-get update
[11:53] <ladydoor> rnalexander: that's what sudo is for...
[11:54] <rnalexander> ladydoor heee, 'sudo get me a sandwich.'
[11:55] <rnalexander> ladydoor, ok, still having some failures, but a different set, some of them went through, shall I paste the new text to the pastebin?
[11:55] <boitono> is there any meeting software that anyone is aware of for linux? I need something that at least provides whiteboard
[11:55] <ladydoor> rnalexander: sure. also, please paste your current sources.list
[11:55] <Sourcemage> Is their a useful resource to find games with premade packages or w/e for Ubuntu?
[11:55] <rnalexander> ok, will do it in one post.
[11:55] <baris_> hello, where is usb adsl modem driver for conexant chipset?
[11:57] <kamui> !gforge
[11:57] <ubotu> gforge: Collaborative development tool - meta-package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1-31 (dapper), package size 54 kB, installed size 88 kB
[11:57] <rnalexander> gaaah.  good catch.  I guess the save didn't take for permissions.
[11:57] <kamui> can anyone explain what that means?  Is it like codeforge in that multiple people can work on the same project simultaneously (even edit the same file like codeforge at the same time witnessing the changes as they take place?)
[11:58] <kamui> or does collaborative in this instance refer to multiple different functions
[11:58] <eyequeue> kamui, what was it that was unclear?  meta-package?
[11:58] <rnalexander> Ok, stupid question time, how do I edit a file that I don't have permissions to normally, sudo [inserteditorhere]  [insertfilehere] ?
[11:58] <eyequeue> kamui, ro collaborate is to work together on a project, yes
[11:59] <eyequeue> rnalexander, exactly :)
[11:59] <keleus> is it possible to remove/disable complete ipv6 support without using a different/altered kernel?
[12:00] <rnalexander> Um... is there a graphic editor I can launch, my linux is so rusty the only thing I can think of using is VI....  :-(
[12:00] <jrib> rnalexander: gedit
[12:00] <eyequeue> rnalexander, gvim :)  but gedit exists too
[12:00] <jrib> rnalexander: for gui apps though, you should use 'gksudo' instead of 'sudo'
[12:00] <rnalexander> ??
[12:01] <rnalexander> ok
[12:01] <keleus> gksudo? what? kdesu all the way