[21:55] <Guest15640> aj00200 : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/ProductList.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=28175&taskId=135
[21:55] <erUSUL> screenshot: a cable does not need drivers... or i am missing something ?
[21:55] <aj00200> Guest15640: ok. I'll look
[21:55] <omabena> i'm trying to install samba on ubuntu, but i don't see it on the remote server, something i can try
[21:56] <erUSUL> sinisterstuf: cable does not need drivers... or i am missing something ?
[21:56] <sinisterstuf> erUSUL: well... it comes with a CD with drivers on, but they are for windows
[21:56] <erUSUL> screenshot: sorry
[21:56] <Buhmillion> hey guys, i have a  working dansguardian setup running, any idea how to setup virus-scanning on it?
[21:56] <screenshot> erUSUL, no problem
[21:56] <sinisterstuf> erUSUL: all exe files to install the stuff, since the CD came with the cable and the CD is called dku-5 i assume the drivers are for the cable
[21:56] <javatexan> hey guys, is there a safe way to dump the contents of /tmp...wow there is a lot of goodies there.
[21:57] <Buhmillion> javatexan, "sudo cp /tmp ~/tmp"
[21:58] <sinisterstuf> this channel is always so hectic
[21:58] <plum> hey, i am trying to boot from grub on my internal harddrive, with linux installed on a secondary removable harddrive. i am wondering what i would need to edit in /etc/fstab to change the boot partition to be found on /sda (my internal harddrive)
[21:58] <plum> Can someone please help me with this?
[21:58] <ringer> my browser(s) not working. Suspect problem with port 80 (because I can irc ok). How can I check/test port 80?
[21:59] <sinisterstuf> plum: i think you would use gparted to do that
[21:59] <Buhmillion> ringer, you don't need to open a port to web browse, its something else.
[22:00] <ringer> Buhmillion, so how come I can irc but not browse. Any suggestions?
[22:00] <plum> sinisterstuf: someone told me that i need to create /boot for grub to read it, and have that be in /sda. currently it is in /sdb so i created a partition for it already. now i need to change /etc/fstab to tell grub to mount a different partition and re-run grub-install
[22:00] <plum> does that sound accurate?
[22:00] <zebastian> ringer: check the settings so you don't use a proxy or something
[22:00] <sinisterstuf> ringer: perhaps your browser is not using the system wide proxy settings?
[22:00] <Buhmillion> ringer, probably something with the browser? load up a ubuntu live cd and check firefox functionality
[22:00] <ConcreteRose> SharpKnife?
[22:01] <ConcreteRose> You mean SharpAmature
[22:01] <ConcreteRose> :)
[22:01] <mmica> Hey. How to block a shortcut (alt+f4) for some apps? I use FluxBox and Ubuntu 9.10
[22:01] <sinisterstuf> plum: i don't know anything about fstab unfortunately, sorry, can't help :(
[22:01] <aj00200> Ok, now how do I set up a network share with my printer and windows on Ubuntu 9.10
[22:01] <plum> okay. thanks anyway.
[22:01] <sinisterstuf> plum: have you checked help.ubuntu.com ?
[22:02] <Buhmillion> mmica, System > Preferences > Keyboard shortcuts > alt f4
[22:02] <ringer> Buhmillion, sinisterstuf zebastian it seems to be intermittent. That is why I suspect port problems. Chrome & Firefox both the same problem
[22:02] <mmica> thanks ;]
[22:02] <plum> sinisterstuf: my question is very precise and very hard to find any answers relative to it on there. haha
[22:02] <Ose> i'm having some problems with my computer shutting down for no reason. It happens very fast, so i'm unable to read any error messages, etc. anything I can do to figure it out?
[22:02] <Nanashi> My Windows partition got pwnd by viruses. Anyone know a good program to wipe them out with from Linux?
[22:03] <sinisterstuf> plum: oh, i had hoped that by reading about fstab on there you might learn enough to figure out what to do, I'd be interested to know too
[22:03] <Buhmillion> ringer, again, it could be something with the browser/OS/ driver/ whatever is handling http, so use ubuntu live cd as a test
[22:03] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: i delete them by hand... but it sounds like your job will be too big, and you might not know what to look for
[22:03] <Buhmillion> nanashi, not really
[22:03] <eric_nw> quick question on apt. what's the easiest way to install a package and its dependencies all using a particular version that's not the latest?
[22:03] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: if your Windows partitio is infected, you should get data off it, and start over really
[22:03] <ShakeyJake> Busy channel: can anyone help with a Samba config file? I have everything working, I just need to specify which folders are shared, currently it's my entire /home directory. Cheers guys.
[22:03] <chonchon> hello
[22:03] <plum> sinisterstuf: ah, yes, i thought you meant something else. no i should go look into fstab.
[22:04] <theJKH> Everyone excited for Thursday?
[22:04] <chonchon> i'm totally new
[22:04] <Buhmillion> ShakeyJake, just uncomment the part in there already about homw folders
[22:04] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: Yeah, I went through and deleted anything suspicious. F-Prot says I've got 1 infected file but I know it should be more.
[22:04] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: you can use as many security tools as you like for cleaning up a Windows partition, but you can't quarrantee  that  they have done the job properly,  even if they have, and so on
[22:04] <yaaar> any thinkfinger gurus around? i just installed it on the lucid rc (using the integrated reader on my dell xps m1330) and it works for some things and not others. i used tf-tool --acquire as my normal user, and /usr/lib/pam-thinkfinger/pam-thinkfinger-enable and the /etc/pam.d/common-auth file looks like the docs say it should. gksudo and sudo from the cli work with swipes, but i can't login...
[22:04] <yaaar> ...or unlock the screen with them
[22:04] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: F-Prot?
[22:05] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: Interweb said it'd be a good think to scan with
[22:05] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: oh, never heard of it. i've used avast, and avg free.
[22:05] <Buhmillion> hey guys, i have a  working dansguardian setup running, any idea how to setup virus-scanning on it?
[22:06] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: but viruses will always be an issue in win
[22:06] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: I installed AVG just before it went down. It was all glitchy and I couldn't run a system scan.
[22:06] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: above  that was meant to be, even if it seems that they have.  plus your computer might be being used by malicious people once infected, so a good idea to do a clean install of the operating system.
[22:06] <Buhmillion> Nanashi, AVG < AVAST
[22:07] <Buhmillion> nanashi, just do claen install, theres no way to be sure
[22:07] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: i agree with sebsebseb, save your important data and reformat
[22:07] <Guest15640> Nanashi : do use free anti-virus, instead look kaspersky; download and install, be virus free..
[22:08] <sinisterstuf> lol @ Guest15640
[22:08] <Nanashi> T__T I dun wanna hafta do a clean install. I struggled with windows far too long to lose all my settings now. I'll do what I can from Ubuntu but if all else fails...
[22:08] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: I could even give you articles about how anti virus and such in Windows is rather useless, once infected
[22:08] <Buhmillion> wait, unrelated, but how do you pronounce kaspersky, i think its kass per skee
[22:09] <sinisterstuf> Buhmillion: kasPERskii
[22:09] <ShakeyJake> @Bumhillion, how do I then choose what is shared?
[22:10] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: obliterate your windows partition hahahaha it's what i did and i've never regretted it, except some games don't work so nice
[22:10] <Buhmillion> Nanashi, heres a tip. Reinstall windows, delete all bloatware, install drivers, configure settings, and then.... IMAGE IT!!!! then you have a perfect copy of your perfect system for next time
[22:10] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: I bought this computer specifically to play games though
[22:10] <Faratl> Need help. I dowloaded the vbox ose and im trying to install windows but everytime i get to the formatting step it just sits at 20% and freezes up. Any suggestions?
[22:10] <Nanashi> Buhmillion: good idea! Uhm, How do I make an image?
[22:11] <siropio> is there an editor so i can de-TAB what i have select?
[22:11] <siropio> i use geany
[22:11] <siropio> a lot
[22:11] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: what kind of games? i think part of my problem is not-so-legally aquired games.....
[22:11] <trinikrono> siropio: gedit?
[22:11] <snap--> Nanashi - why not get a live disk?
[22:11] <Ose> Faratl: boo, I thought someone was answering /my/ question :(
[22:11] <sebsebseb> sinisterstuf: yeah reformatting, but sometimes that won't even be good enough,  so got to do a proper hard disk install instead.  Really what people that must have Windows for a few apps since Wine won't cut it for example, and apps that aren't 3D,  is if the computer can handle it, enough RAM and such,  is run Windows in a virtual machine inside a more secure OS such as Ubuntu.  Then if they get infected they can easilly use a clean copy of the vm
[22:11] <sebsebseb> for example,  and can copy them like a normal file.
[22:11] <Guest15640> Nanashi : instead use playstation...!
[22:11] <penocio> where is the config file which contains screen resolution and font sizes, in kde latest kubuntu. i have tried going to settings and display/appearance but at reboot it changes back.2. i have increased ram from 512 to 512m+1g. (p4 2.8ghz HT tech) but i still observe same speed/performance. why?
[22:11] <siropio> trinikrono, what is the shortcut for de-TAB?
[22:11] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: which games?   can get quite a lot of Windows games working quite well in Wine for example
[22:11] <Buhmillion> Nanashi, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+image+a+partition
[22:12] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: Knights of The Old Republic (legal), MMOs, Fable TLC (Legal)
[22:12] <trinikrono> siropio: you know i dont what de tab is
[22:12] <trinikrono> just now
[22:12] <sebsebseb> sinisterstuf: uh above,  proper hard disk clean install,  that was meant to be
[22:12] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: i think those work in ubuntu
[22:12] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: I don't do all that much illegal gaming. And I don't even have bittorent on the windows partition
[22:12] <penocio> where is the config file which contains screen resolution and font sizes, in kde latest kubuntu. i have tried going to settings and display/appearance but at reboot it changes back.2. i have increased ram from 512 to 512m+1g. (p4 2.8ghz HT tech) but i still observe same speed/performance. why?
[22:13] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: i don't often torrent stuff, i just hate DRM
[22:13] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: have you tried you're games in Wine.  also may be a bit slow or something,  but 3D Windows gaming can work in Virtualbox 3.0+
[22:13] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: Ah, well, I used to torrent a lot... But none of that is stored on this computer
[22:13] <Buhmillion> Nanashi, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+image+a+partition
[22:13] <sinisterstuf> sebsebseb: i installed winXP in a virtual box, it sucked, maybe it's cos my pc's specs are too low....
[22:13] <siropio> i mean to get rid of the TABS when you are programming. for examples if you select a region of text and press TAB button they are getting in for a tab i want the reverse
[22:13] <sebsebseb> !piracy | Nanashi
[22:14] <sinisterstuf> sebsebseb: sorry
[22:14] <Nanashi> Oops, sorry guys
[22:14] <sinisterstuf> siropio: i use gedit, there is a plugin for it, then you can just select the code and press ctrl+T to tab
[22:14] <sinisterstuf> siropio: or ctrl+shit+T to untab
[22:14] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: anyway as I was saying for the games
[22:14] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: tried any of that?
[22:14] <yaaar> anybody know why i can't login or unlock my screen using my fingerprint scanner and thinkfinger? i used tf-tool --acquire and /usr/lib/pam-thinkfinger/pam-thinkfinger-enable ...and sudo/gksudo work great
[22:14] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: also do you play those games online?
[22:15] <fax> hello
[22:15] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Some
[22:15] <siropio> sinisterstuf, thanks a lot :) you are right UN-tab is more precice :P
[22:15] <fax> does anyone use ubuntu on a computer like this: http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/new-mac-pro.jpg
[22:15] <fax> ?
[22:15] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: have you tried the games in Wine or Virtualbox mabye Windows virtual machine?
[22:15] <snap--> if Nanashi 'struggled with windows for far too long' then i'm not sure you guys should be recommending relatively advanced things like partitioning.  Nanashi, google for 'live CD' or 'live DVD' and find an image from a repuatble website to download and burn, then you can boot into linux and run from memory.
[22:15] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: unfortunately i am under a lot of pressure at uni and don't get much time for gaming anymore, hoewver, when i get the new perfect world you should all come play with me, it works in wine :)
[22:16] <fax> I would love to ask anyone who does if it is robust or does it have a prolbem where it sometiems breaks
[22:16] <penocio> where is the config file which contains screen resolution and font sizes, in kde latest kubuntu. i have tried going to settings and display/appearance but at reboot it changes back.2. i have increased ram from 512 to 512m+1g. (p4 2.8ghz HT tech) but i still observe same speed/performance. why?
[22:16] <sinisterstuf> siropio: you're welcome. was my answer helpful to you?
[22:16] <nokia3510> What is the kernel boot option for doing a text mode install ? I tried appending text already to no avail
[22:16] <Nanashi> snap--: I know my way around my machine. I only have a windows partition for gaming.
[22:17] <_bob_k> I may have found a bug in Empathy.  Is this the right place to address it?
[22:17] <mozillanerd> penocio: trye /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:17] <siropio> sinisterstuf, kind of i tried in Geany and i had some weird results
[22:17] <Nanashi> I'll look into setting up a virtual box, thanks guys.
[22:17] <mum-n-dad> hey
[22:17] <ringer> sinisterstuf, zebastian while I was waiting for live cd to boot, browser started working. Any ideas what may be happening?
[22:17] <mum-n-dad> got a problem
[22:17] <mum-n-dad> * Starting FTP server: vsftpd                                         [ OK ]
[22:17] <mum-n-dad> but i get
[22:17] <mum-n-dad> <--- 530 This FTP server is anonymous only.
[22:17] <mum-n-dad> where's the vsftpd.conf and how do i restart it?
[22:17] <FloodBot1> mum-n-dad: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:17] <sinisterstuf> ringer: that's strange
[22:17] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: going back to earlier, if your WIndows install is infected,  you should clean insall the operating system, for various reasons.  Windows support is off topic in here though.  Virtualbox might be ok for your games,  depending on your hardware,  Wine may work as well.
[22:18] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: try Wine first
[22:18] <Gangrel> can someone tell me how to partition the main hdd (the one that has ubuntu on it)?
[22:18] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: I will
[22:18] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: and you can maybe get app help in #winehq  if they don't seem to work
[22:18] <ringer> sinisterstuf, yeah, it's been happening on and off for a couple of weeks. Ever since I went fulltime Ubuntu
[22:18] <khunter619> When I sudo modprobe ath9k I get error: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/206880/
[22:18] <jimmy51_> !pxe
[22:18] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Except, I already know that KoTOR won't run in wine. I just tried it earlier
[22:18] <fax> okay since nobody can tell me I will just try it myself and hope for the best
[22:18] <switch10_> Gangrel: you must use a LiveCD so you can unmount the filesystem..
[22:19] <sinisterstuf> ringer:  i really don't know, if the problem persists perhaps you should report it?
[22:19] <aj00200> How would I set up a printer share with windows XP. The printer is on my Ubuntu computer
[22:19] <sinisterstuf> Nanashi: perhaps you just need to fiddle with the settings?
[22:19] <Nanashi> sinisterstuf: perhaps
[22:19] <fax> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#bt -- which one do you put on a USB ?
[22:19] <ringer> sinisterstuf, if only ther was someone I could report it to - am on my own here
[22:19] <CaptainTrek> hey, where is the SSH public key stored?  i'm tryin to find it to upload to a server for authentication
[22:19] <powertool08> !samba > aj00200
[22:19] <robo> hi: i have a ide hard drive reader i'm that i'm trying to mount so i can have access to the ide hard drive. It works via usb. When I plug it in no window comes up. Any advise?
[22:19] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: well ideally only use a pshyical install when you really have to, otherwise Ubuntu or some other more secure OS.  and if you only use WIndows for your games, you will probably be alright
[22:20] <khunter619> sudo modprobe ath9k == http://paste.pocoo.org/show/206880/ ???
[22:20] <sinisterstuf> ringer: report it as a bug on the site
[22:20] <switch10_> CaptainTrek: you want to log in with out a password?
[22:20] <powertool08> aj00200: More specifically, you need a [printers] section in your /etc/samba/smb.conf file
[22:21] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Kk, I've already got some experience with virtualbox. I already had a virtual machine of my Ubuntu partition running in windows so I just need to do the same thing but backwards.
[22:21] <aj00200> thanks powertool08
[22:21] <ringer> sinisterstuf, its a problem with browsers not working on my computer, not with any site
[22:21] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: well
[22:21] <sinisterstuf> robo: perhaps it is there but just the window doesn't open, click Places and see if it's there
[22:21] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: the games you want to play are they 3D or 2D?
[22:21] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: 3D
[22:21] <trinikrono> robo: normally just in places then computer then refresh, if not try a different usb port, and possibly another pc.
[22:21] <switch10_> CaptainTrek: it should be stored in ~/.ssh
[22:21] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: 3D  Windows gaming  well  there are some settings for them in Virtualbox, but
[22:21] <sinisterstuf> ringer: yeah, i mean report the browser problem on the ubuntu site where you report bugs, let me loog for it
[22:22] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: they will probably run slow, if they  work,  depending on the hardware,  #vbox for more info about that
[22:22] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: 2D gaming on the other hand, I think will work well for most/all games in Virutalbox
[22:22] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Most/All 2D games work just fine under Wine anyway
[22:22] <robo> sinisterstuf and trinikrono, I don't see it under places. However, when i do an usbls i see it listed -- so ubuntu see's it.. it just doesn't mount it.
[22:23] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: uhmm I am not so sure about that, but older ones are more likely to work than newer
[22:23] <robo> sinisterstuf and trinikrono -- err lsusb
[22:23] <ringer> sinisterstuf, ah, got you. I can look for that thanks - as long as my browser keeps working ;)
[22:23] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: 2D that is
[22:23] <sinisterstuf> ringer: hahaha goodluck
[22:23] <Guest15640> Nanashi : instead use playstation...!
[22:23] <trinikrono> robo: are you sure the partition is good?
[22:23] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: if you re install Windowws like was suggested with good reason, and then only use it for the 3D games,  you will probably be alright.  won't just get infected with a virus for example that way
[22:23] <penocio> mozillanerd:  theres only xorg.conf.failsafe.  why.
[22:24] <khunter619> what does this mean: WARNING: Error inserting ath9k_hw (/lib/modules/2.6.31-20-generic/updates/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k_hw.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[22:24] <ConcreteRose> Tik tik boom
[22:24] <robo> trinikrono, yes
[22:24] <robo> it worked earlier
[22:24] <hatter_> i did some sort of non-standard install, now i am missing things like 'hardware drivers' in the system menu, is there something i can install to install the common desktop ?
[22:24] <robo> now it doesn't :-/
[22:24] <trinikrono> robo: try a different usb port
[22:24] <robo> yea, tried a bunch
[22:24] <trinikrono> restart the pc too?
[22:25] <robo> yup
[22:25] <robo> and tried combinations of plugging in the drive, plug in usb. plug in usb first, then plug in the drive
[22:25] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Part of the problem is it took me a week to install windows last time I tried.
[22:25] <robo> ubuntu "sees" it -- i just need to figure out how to tell ubuntu to mount it
[22:25] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: Why?
[22:25] <Spoofscript> are you guys good for asking questions re: iptables config or is there somewhere else for networking-specific help?
[22:25] <trinikrono> robo: if you plug into another pc it works now?
[22:25] <facefaceface> hi
[22:25] <robo> it worked on a windows PC but it couldn't read it because it's an ext3 partition
[22:26] <facefaceface> what is a dummy package
[22:26] <facefaceface> ?
[22:26] <robo> but windows 'saw' it
[22:26] <facefaceface> libsvn-javahl - Java bindings for Subversion (dummy package)
[22:26] <AR> for dummies
[22:26] <powertool08> Spoofscript: here or #networking
[22:26] <facefaceface> AR: aaaah
[22:26] <robo> sinisterstuf and trinikrono, I don't have another ubuntu box to try it on
[22:26]  * facefaceface is a dummy
[22:26] <Spoofscript> powertool08: thanks :)
[22:26] <_bob_k> I may have found a bug in Empathy. Is this the right place to address it?
[22:26] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Microsoft. I have two install XP install disks with uses left in them and neither worked
[22:26]  * facefaceface sucks it and sees...
[22:26] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: what was that?
[22:26] <trinikrono> robo: you where not poking around in fstab where you
[22:27] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: Microsoft. I have two install XP install disks with uses left in them and neither worked.
[22:27] <jbwiv> guys, I experience pretty regular system freezes. Hard freezes... magic sysrq won't even work. Replaced video card, no dice. Replaced RAM, and it seemed to fix if for a few days, but after upgrading to Lucid, seems the lockups are back. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Could it be the motherboard? Something with Linux itself?
[22:27] <d4non> where do I talk kde issues?
[22:27] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: uses left in them ???
[22:27] <sebsebseb> d4non: you can try here or #kubuntu
[22:27] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: XP disks have a limited number of installs
[22:27] <robo> trinikrono, no i wasn't
[22:27] <dagny_taggart> jbwiv: hard lockups usually indicate overheating
[22:27] <d4non> I've got a problem, can't alt+tab no matter what
[22:27] <jbwiv> dagny_taggart, really? interesting
[22:27] <d4non> kde 4.4
[22:27] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: It's so that Microsoft can keep you from using software you paid for.
[22:28] <jbwiv> dagny_taggart, I can't get lm_sensors to work on my machine. It doesn't recognize my chipset. Any ideas on what I could use to see temps?
[22:28] <trinikrono> !mount > robo:
[22:28] <crow> How to increase udev wait to mount harddriver defined with udev rules? i got : General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system. and just one from two harddrive is mounted..
[22:28] <dagny_taggart> jbwiv: maybe use the gnome system monitor to measure the activity of your cpu's?
[22:28] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: sure and then you can phone up,  and  can use the install again,  Windows stuff is off topic in here really, so pm me or maybe we go to ##windows
[22:28] <trinikrono> !mount > robo
[22:28] <_bob_k> I may have found a bug in Empathy. Where is the right place to address it?
[22:29] <trinikrono> robo: that should give you some good stuff on mounting it
[22:29] <jbwiv> dagny_taggart, oh, I do that. They're not too bad
[22:29] <robo> trinikrono, what am i supposed to mount?
[22:29] <hatter_> what do i do if 'hardware drivers' is not a menu option ?
[22:29] <trinikrono> robo: the ext3 partition on the usb
[22:29] <AR> guys im having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop
[22:29] <robo> trinikrono how do I find out what partition it is?
[22:29] <jbwiv> dagny_taggart, even when it freezes, not much going on. it's a beast of a machine. Dual quad core with 12 gb ram
 https://bugs.launchpad.net
[22:29] <trinikrono> robo: you might need to run a fsck too
[22:29] <sebsebseb> !deatils | AR
[22:29] <Noble> If I plug in a SATA drive to my mother board when the computer is running, could that be a problem? Will the disk function normally in linux?
[22:29] <sebsebseb> !details | AR
[22:29] <Nanashi> sebsebseb: I'll PM
[22:29] <AR> !details
[22:29] <AR> !details | AR
[22:29] <sebsebseb> Nanashi: yep got it
[22:29] <dagny_taggart> jbwiv: check the fan in the psu is running properly
[22:30] <robo> trinikrono, it's an IDE device via usb -- i have no idea how to find what device to mount
[22:30] <_bob_k> Thank you khunter619.
[22:30] <x59> Hi?
[22:30] <AR> sebsebseb, i cant install it
[22:30] <AR> i cant find the file to install after i download
[22:30] <x59> Hi?
[22:30] <sebsebseb> AR: you can't find the ISO?
[22:30] <AR> i cant find the installer
[22:30] <snoflake> where do you download drivers for linux from?
[22:30] <trinikrono> robo: you can install gnome partion editor
[22:31] <sebsebseb> AR: ok, but you got the ISO downloaded?
[22:31] <x59> Hi someone who help me?
[22:31] <trinikrono> in the add / remove
[22:31] <powertool08> !ask | x59
[22:31] <Guest15640> Noble : Yes ! SATA IS NOT HOT SWAP...! PROBLEM
[22:31] <AR> i downloaded the ubuntu install files yeah
[22:31] <AR> but i cant find the installer
[22:31] <x59> I dont know if mi computer will run Ubuntu :(
[22:32] <snoflake> x59: it should...
[22:32] <AR> x59, im using my 4 gigabite ram computer for it
[22:32] <AR> if i can install it
[22:32] <AR> but i cant find the install program
[22:32] <sebsebseb> AR: yes
[22:32] <sebsebseb> AR: ok
[22:32] <snoflake> AR: did you download the .iso file?
[22:33] <mmica> x59: Ubuntu is not a M$ Vista ;P
[22:33] <tvaughn> is there a way to open a window over ssh onto a X server?
[22:33] <AR> yeah but where is install.exe
[22:33] <sebsebseb> AR: that's now how you install Ubuntu
[22:33] <x59> My computer is a little old u___u
[22:33] <sebsebseb> AR: well there is a way to do it from a .exe as well, but that's  useaully not the best idea
[22:33] <x59> I show you the especifications :D
[22:33] <AR> do i need another program to install it?
[22:33] <sebsebseb> AR: an ISO is the contents of a CD
[22:33] <Guest15640> X59 : look up : http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/index
[22:33] <Losha> Noble: my understanding is that the SATA spec says that devices are hot-swappable, but since all my SATA drives are newer and bigger than my IDE drives, I've never wanted to risk testing them. Also, just because the spec says the devices are hot-swappable, it doesn't mean the OS handles it gracefully. In my opinion, it's not worth the risk...
[22:33] <powertool08> tvaughn: try ssh -X
[22:33] <AR> all the other files dont work when i try to click them
[22:33] <snoflake> AR: you need to burn the iso to a cd
[22:33] <loquitus> Is there a way for my to sync music to my jailbroken iphone with Ubuntu?
[22:33] <mmica> x59: How old? ;>
[22:34] <sebsebseb> AR: then  you can burn the contents of the ISO to a CD, and boot your computer from it  (ideally good idea to check that the download the ISO is good as well first)
[22:34] <AR> well i dont want to lose my windows though
[22:34] <powertool08> tvaughn: -X is for X forwarding, also, if you are trying to get the windows to show up on windows, you need to run a X server with cygwin or something.
[22:34] <sebsebseb> AR: yes you don't have to
[22:34] <snoflake> AR: don't click them, put the cd in the pc and then restart the pc and boot from the cd
[22:34] <AR> i heard that there is a way to ruin your windows and a way not to
[22:34] <sebsebseb> snoflake: this is probably someone that will be better off with Wubi to begin with, let's find out first though
[22:34] <Jordan_U> loquitus: iphones sync OOTB with 10.04, jailbroken or not.
[22:35] <tvaughn> powertool08: im trying to pop up a message on a diff computer
[22:35] <snoflake> sebsebseb: you're probably right
[22:35] <crow> How to increase udev wait to mount harddriver defined with udev rules? i got : General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started.  Is it an external usb or something?
[22:36] <snoflake> !language | AR
[22:36] <rolsworth> anyone using chrome browser?
[22:37] <sebsebseb> snoflake: to late they got kicked and banned
[22:37] <mmica> x59: u can use a Mint 8 with a Fluxbox.
[22:37] <Losha> sebsebseb: it was a good troll. I didn't suspect....
[22:37] <snoflake> sebsebseb: awesome, yeah me neither, how were we to know
[22:38] <sebsebseb> true it was a good troll
[22:38] <bsmith093> login to a linksys router from my laptop no idea what the ip is help please
[22:38] <snoflake> sebsebseb: is the banning automatic?
[22:38] <powertool08> bsmith093: Probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:39] <xomp> does ubuntu 10 come out tomorrow or something?
[22:39] <snoflake> xomp: 2 days :)
[22:39] <fehrp> Hi all
[22:39] <bsmith093> i tried that its not the right router
[22:39] <snoflake> !hi | fehrp
[22:39] <Losha> snoflake: no, it was done by tsimpson. It's hard to automate such things...
[22:39] <sebsebseb> snoflake: no tsimpson did it
[22:39] <xomp> snoflake, crap hah ok, was going to download and install 9 today but if it's coming in 2 days then might as well wait
[22:39] <crow> Losha no its internal disk, and its on SAS LSI, but somehow 10.4 rc just dont mount it and give me that above error, if i remove lines for that two hdds system boot fine..
[22:39] <fehrp> ubuntu 10.4 rocks, but even if I put the mouse reaction time and acceleration to the max, the mouse still moves very slowly.
[22:39] <snoflake> xomp: yep yep, we're all waiting :)
[22:40] <fehrp> how can I go beyond maximum?
[22:40] <Losha> crow: it might be a 10.04 bug. Ask about it on #ubuntu+1...
[22:40] <xomp> snoflake, I have ubuntu 8.04 LTS on my Linode server heh is 10 going to be LTS?
[22:40] <snoflake> Losha, sebsebseb: oh, well... autokick would be awesome
[22:40] <crow> Losha i did noone respons
[22:40] <ShakeyJake> xomp: 10.04 is LTS yes
[22:40] <Losha> crow: bummer...
[22:40] <bsmith093> is it posible to connect to a wired router and a wireless network at the same time
[22:41] <canozan> hello everyone, can anybody help me with a partitioning problemX
[22:41] <Myrtti> even though Lucid Lynx, 10.4 is just a few days away, it's not yet supported on this channel. If you have problems with your Lucid installation, please join #ubuntu+1 for support
[22:41] <powertool08> bsmith093: try cat /etc/resolv.conf, try whatever ip is after "nameserver"
[22:41] <x59> Mi computer can run Ubuntu? Hard Disk 38146 MB (24452 MB free) CPU Mobile Intel Celeron M 330, 1400 MHz (14 x 100) Video Adapter Intel(R) 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller  (64 MB)
[22:41] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 yep
[22:41] <bsmith093> blackwater how
[22:41] <fehrp> Slow mouse speed in 10.4, anyone knows how to fix?
[22:41] <seth_g> i just installed 9.10 desktop and it is telling me there is a version mismatch with ubuntu one server
[22:41] <ringer> Sinister, seems my problems are on my router 'blocked by DoS protection <IP_ADDRESS>' can you confirm that is google's ip?
[22:41] <seth_g> updates done
[22:41] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 what's not working
[22:42] <snoflake> fehrp: possibly try System > Preferences > Mouse
[22:42] <x59> Mi computer can run Ubuntu? Hard Disk 38146 MB (24452 MB free) CPU Mobile Intel Celeron M 330, 1400 MHz (14 x 100) Video Adapter Intel(R) 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller  (64 MB)
[22:42] <Losha> bsmith093: yes it is possible, as far a Ubuntu is concerned, it's not much different than with any box that has 2 nics...
[22:42] <fehrp> snoflake: I did and the bars are all at the maximum speed, but it's still too slow
[22:42] <seth_g> i have 3 fresh 9.10 installs. i would either like ubuntu one to work or samba... are there any other sharing alternatives?
[22:42] <x59> Mi computer can run Ubuntu? Hard Disk 38146 MB (24452 MB free) CPU Mobile Intel Celeron M 330, 1400 MHz (14 x 100) Video Adapter Intel(R) 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller  (64 MB)
[22:42] <bsmith093> i am trying to connect to a router i just found and plugged in. It's connected to my laptop with an ethernet cable
[22:42] <snoflake> fehrp: does your mouse have a button on it that changes the sensitivity?
[22:42] <canozan> hello everyone, can anybody help me with a partitioning problemX
[22:42] <Myrtti> x59: please don't repeat your question so often.
[22:43] <x59> ok
[22:43] <bsmith093> i tried cat /etc/resolv.conf and i get 2 nameserver ip s
[22:43] <fehrp> snoflake: no
[22:43] <snoflake> !ask | canozan
[22:43] <Myrtti> x59: most likely yes it will run on your computer.
[22:43] <fehrp> snoflake: it's the thinkpad built in wheel mouse
[22:43] <x59> :D Tnks
[22:43] <fehrp> snoflake: or trackpad, or however it's called *g
[22:43] <bsmith093> they are only 1 off
[22:43] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 do you have connectivity to the router, link, etc, you would need a rolled cable, crossover cable to connect to such device.
[22:43] <fehrp> snoflake: it's just significantly slower than in 9.4
[22:43] <Losha> ringer: 10. addresses are generally private address space and are not meant for public use...
[22:43] <snoflake> fehrp: the joystick thing or the touch pad?
[22:43] <fehrp> snoflake: the "nipple"-thing...
[22:44] <fehrp> sorry
[22:44] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 you would also setup static IP's at least initially between the two devices interfaces.
[22:44] <snoflake> fehrp: lol. well i really don;t know
[22:44] <bsmith093> _blackwater_: will a regular ethernet cable work and if so do i use the uplink prot
[22:44] <bsmith093> port
[22:44] <canozan> i want to merge a primary partition to an extended partition without losing any data. Can anyone help meX
[22:44] <ringer> Losha, can you check <IP_ADDRESS> for me then?
[22:44] <snoflake> fehrp: perhaps there is a specific software or plugin for your nipple thing, have you googled for one?
[22:44] <yaaar> any thinkfinger gurus around? i just installed thinkfinger-tools and libpam-thinkfinger on the lucid rc and ran tf-tool --acquire and /usr/lib/pam-thinkfinger/pam-thinkfinger-enable ...now sudo/gksudo will use the fingerprint reader to auth, but i can't use it to login or unlock the screen...anybody know what i can do to fix that?
[22:44] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 sure if you have connectivity
[22:45] <Losha> ringer: <IP_ADDRESS> is somewhere in Brazil...
[22:45] <snoflake> canozan: you would have to back your data up either on another drive or create enough space on your drive and make another partition to store the date on....
[22:45] <bsmith093> _blackwater_: i can see it in the list of possible network connections but if i connect to it i lose the wireless right
[22:45] <ringer> Losha, ok so looks like my router is under attack. Great :(
[22:45] <snoflake> canozan: or else you would have to shrink whatever has the data, make a partition, copy data, and then carry on shrinking, growing and copying until your data is safe
[22:46] <bsmith093> i can't be on both at once right
[22:46] <snoflake> canozan: and then you can carry out your operation and copy it all back
[22:46] <Losha> ringer: what kind of router?
[22:46] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 just so I'm clear, wired router you're actually using a home style wired router with switched ethernet ports and uplink port right?
[22:46] <bsmith093> yes
[22:47] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 what is the wireless device/ap you are using
[22:47] <bsmith093> linksys wrt54g
[22:47] <ringer> Losha, a Belkin F5D7230-4
[22:47] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 that's all in one device, i thought you meant separate.  uplink port will go to your ISP provided device.
[22:47] <Losha> ringer: sorry, not familiar with them. Are you running any servers?
[22:48] <fehrp> sno: should not be
[22:48] <bsmith093> the router i plugged in to my laptop currently is a efah08w
[22:48] <bsmith093> linksys
[22:48] <seth_g> bsmith093, what are you trying to do? a thrown away wrt54g is probably a brick\
[22:48] <xomp> is there anyway to find out what port mysql is running on?
[22:48] <seth_g> xomp, 3306 heh
[22:49] <xomp> seth_g, really?
[22:49] <bsmith093> no ok my wrt54g is how im typing this to you right now
[22:49] <seth_g> xomp, usually
[22:49] <eoeas> xomp: netstat
[22:49] <yaaar> howdy.
[22:49] <seth_g> do a port scan
[22:49] <bsmith093> the efah08w is the one im trying to get to work
[22:49] <canozan> snowflake, can you tell me more about this stuff, for eñemple hoe to do it once i have backed up my data
[22:49] <seth_g> yeah netstat'll do it\
[22:49] <Lagger> Pgi All..
[22:49] <iceroot> xpot: if not 3306 look at the mysql-config
[22:49] <xomp> thanks
[22:49] <seth_g> bsmith093, ok i dont know that one
[22:50] <rdogg> hey guys , i have used alien -d [filename] and it extracted, how do i install now? i have folders named : debian etc lib opt usr
[22:50] <iceroot> xpot: wrong nick
[22:50] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 so you do have two separate switched devices, wireless router and a wired router?  Wireless will go into ethernet ports on your wired router, wired router uplink to ISP, laptop into one of the ethernet ports.
[22:50] <dotnet67> hey all - Ive got Network Manager working fine with my RT2800 wirless card - I want to manage the connection without Network Manager, apart from editing /etc/networking/interfaces what else must be done?
[22:50] <iceroot> rdogg: what package? isnt there a deb?
[22:50] <Lagger> mxmkmxkmkmmkmkudfhbhshjagbanbdjhjmkm
[22:50] <bsmith093> ok then so how do i check the wired router
[22:50] <rdogg> its Atis driver for xorg, having trouble with the card :@
[22:50] <bsmith093> is there a login page for it
[22:51] <danh_> any idea how i can get lxde, ubuntu, and sound for my laptop speakers and headphones working?  i have pulseaudio working.  ive tried running alsamixergui, and i cant raise the volume for my headphones.  this all works well in GNOME
[22:51] <_blackwater_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:51] <_blackwater_> on the router
[22:51] <_blackwater_> er - for the router from your laptop.
[22:51] <canozan> NOTICE <snoflake> <can you tell me more about this stuff, what to do once i have baced up my data for exemple
[22:51] <bsmith093> thats the route connected to the internet right now
[22:51] <benkevan> when I run bzr launchpad-login <username> it says that I'm not registered in launchpad.. what's up with that?
[22:51] <xomp> strange
[22:51] <canozan> NOTICE <snoflake> <can you tell me more about this stuff, what to do once i have baced up my data for exemple>
[22:51] <xomp> netstat
[22:51] <xomp> unix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED     113102660 /var/run/mysqld/mysq          ld.sock
[22:52] <xomp> where is port mentioned?
[22:52] <_blackwater_> bsmith093 that's the default route for internal network, you want to get to the router and that's the web address to manage.
[22:52] <bsmith093> so can i get to the router that is pluged directly into my computer
[22:52] <_blackwater_> the WIRED router or WIRELESS router?
[22:52] <powertool08> xomp: try netstat -tlp | grep mysqld
[22:53] <bsmith093> as opposed to the one im getting internet throught right now or should i just use the wired connection im seeing
[22:53] <seth_g> xomp, unless you changed it from default it will be 3306
[22:53] <powertool08> xomp: It should be the numbe in the 3rd column
[22:53] <xomp> powertool08, tcp        0      0 localhost:mysql         *:*                     LISTEN      28315/mysqld
[22:53] <bsmith093> i am trying to connect to a wired router plugged into my laptop
[22:53] <xomp> :)
[22:53] <bsmith093> do i need to get off the wireless network first
[22:53] <JackWat> bsmith093: no
[22:54] <todd9> Hi all.  Dumb question, but where I can find the 64 bit iso for version 9.04?  That's the latest version my RAID controller supports
[22:54] <bsmith093> i am currently seeing a eht0 connection that i am not connected to
[22:54] <JackWat> bsmith093: does eth0 have an ip address?
[22:54] <bsmith093> how do i check
[22:54] <JackWat> ifconfig eth0
[22:54] <seth_g> or 'ip addr'
[22:54] <bastidrazor> todd9: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[22:54] <powertool08> xomp: Then its on the mysql default, otherwise it would have a number.
[22:55] <bsmith093> no it doesnt
[22:55] <powertool08> xomp: The last number, 28315, is the process id.
[22:55] <JackWat> bsmith093: use network manager to connect to it
[22:55] <xomp> thanks a ton powertool08 :)
[22:55] <powertool08> xomp: np
[22:55] <bsmith093> ok then <IP_ADDRESS> should work
[22:55] <todd9> bastridrazor: Thanks!
[22:55] <JackWat> bsmith093: what do you mean 'shoudl work'
[22:55] <seth_g> does nfs sharing have a gui component?
[22:55] <JackWat> if you're not connecting nothing is going to work
[22:56] <rdogg> guys, can i upgrade from linux mint to ubuntu directly? like if i change sources.list or something? maybe 'lubi'?
[22:56] <JackWat> rdogg: no
[22:56] <bsmith093> then if i connect to eth0 that ip should load the wired router right
[22:56] <JackWat> if you connect eth0 and its connected to yoru wired router, you should be able to access that router. yes.
[22:56] <bsmith093> ok then thank brb
[22:57] <rdogg> JackWat: what about if i use lubi? its a program to install other linuxes from "ubuntu"
[22:57] <rdogg> http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lubi.html
[22:58] <JackWat> rdogg: i dont know lubi but taking a quick look it seems that it installed ubuntu instead of yoru current linux distro
[22:58] <JackWat> so you would have a dual booting situation
[22:59] <JackWat> wtf
[22:59] <rdogg> JackWat: umm, what if i choose this partition?
[22:59] <JackWat> it will install ubuntu instead of your current linux distrobution*
[22:59] <JackWat> inside*
[22:59] <rdogg> JackWat: no, it will install from a iso..
[22:59] <rdogg> JackWat:  any distro
[22:59] <Losha> rdogg: are you trying to do a cd-less install?
[22:59] <jeeves> how can I fix this pooched install of dovecot?  http://pastebin.com/9XvHM0Pp
[23:00] <rdogg> Losha: yes but i dont want to use Wubi
[23:02] <JackWat> rdogg: fine. it will install any distro into the current distro.
[23:02] <JackWat> rdogg: why do you not want to do a bare metal install of ubuntu?
[23:02] <xomp> guys, should I upgrade to 10 when it comes out on my Linode server? Or should I do a new install? I run a popular Steam gaming community off it and can't really afford the downtime for a new install (nor even an upgrade really)
[23:02] <JackWat> xomp: i think its always better to do a fresh install but a distro upgrade will probably work
[23:03] <xomp> JackWat, ok, I'm currently on 8.04 LTS
[23:03] <JackWat> xomp: things could break so make sure you have a backup
[23:03] <JackWat> you may end up doing a fresh install anyway :P
[23:03] <xomp> JackWat, hah ok
[23:03] <JackWat> xomp: the best thing to do would be to send the traffic for your community to a mirror machine until your upgrade is complete
[23:04] <JackWat> nameiner: <3
[23:04] <Losha> rdogg: check out the 'frugal install' option in http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:04] <Typos_King> xomp:    yeah, back yourself up, try the upgrade, if it doesn't go, then at least you'll have a backup, if it does, then fine, use that :), otherwise I'd suggest a full-install, less likelyhood of issues
[23:05] <Losha> xomp: if you don't want any downtime, you should wait at least a couple of months for 10.04 to stabilize before you consider upgrading....
[23:05] <xomp> Losha, yeah that's what I may end up doing
[23:05] <Typos_King> xomp:    you can always schedule a 'downtime' 24hours or so ahead of time anyway, and do it when low traffic occurrs, usually at nite
[23:05] <xomp> was going to install ubuntu 9 to my external HDD today but since 10 is coming in 2 days I'm going to hold off
[23:05] <Losha> xomp: there's another year of support on 8.04 I think. What's your hurry....
[23:06] <alessandro_> ciao
[23:06] <Gangrel> ermm kai someone tell me how to add dual boot for ubuntu 9.10 and windows 7?
[23:06] <xomp> Losha, haha
[23:06] <alessandro_> qualcuno parla utaliano?
[23:06] <Losha> xomp: I wasn't joking...
[23:06] <alessandro_> italian?
[23:06] <Losha> !it | alessandro_
[23:06] <ywgx> dsd
[23:06] <csharper> i got win7 and ubuntu 9.10 :)
[23:06] <ywgx> df
[23:06] <csharper> just installed grub
[23:06] <csharper> and it did everything :)
[23:07] <mozillanerd> Losha: good advice - I just spent a week messing around with 10.04 Beta, and finally gave up, and reinstalled 9.04. 9.04 runs very well on Dell Inspiron 8200
[23:07] <jrib> mozillanerd: well it is kind of an ancient machine :)
[23:07] <CreativeChemist> Ive used ubuntu on this machine for a while... recently I had to wipe my drive. Reinstalled an old version of ubuntu then upgraded to most recent. For some reason it compiz will suddenly disapear and shortly after the computer will logg off completely and Ill have to type my pw again.
[23:08] <Losha> mozillanerd: the fetish for always instantly having to have the latest and shiniest is such a waste of time, especially when applied to software...
[23:08] <CreativeChemist> this started AFTER installing custom desktop effects (spinning cube etc) but still continues after uninstalling
[23:08] <CreativeChemist> Ill mail a chocolate chip cookie to anyone tht can help me!
[23:09] <jrib> CreativeChemist: what does "old version" mean?
[23:09] <jeeves> CreativeChemist, lol.  nice.  are they "special" cookies?
[23:09] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  intrepid
[23:09] <Losha> naughty jeeves...
[23:09] <jrib> CreativeChemist: you upgraded intrepid -> jaunty -> karmic?
[23:09] <Guest95817> any one know how install ubuntu 8.04 in ext4 file system
[23:09] <jeeves> Losha, lol, gotta see if it's worth my time!
[23:10] <ywgx_> hello everyone
[23:10] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: I think you can, but it won't be supported
[23:10] <brontosaurusrex> Losha: what kind of fetish is it, when you use older version of my own app, cos i can't be bothered to upgrade? :P
[23:10] <Guest95817> any one know how install ubuntu 8.04 in ext4 file system
[23:10] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  nope, followed the website for a direct upgrade to karmic... update-manager --dev version or whatever
[23:10] <CreativeChemist> wait
[23:10] <Losha> Guest95817: not supported, and probably doomed to failure....
[23:10] <CreativeChemist> not karmic... whatever 10.04 is :P
[23:10] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: apparantly can get similar advantages to Ext4,  with XFS, but then you may also need a seperate Ext3 /boot partition for Grub
[23:10] <Losha> brontosaurusrex: :-)
[23:10] <Typos_King> Guest95817:     not even sure 8.04 offers ext4 as installation filesystem type
[23:10] <jrib> CreativeChemist: erm, whatever website you followed advised you incorrectly.  You may have a broken install.  Why don't you just install karmic fresh?
[23:10] <sebsebseb> Typos_King: yes it doesn't
[23:11] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  ubuntu.com was the website :P
[23:11] <jrib> CreativeChemist: I guarantee you it did not tell you to upgrade directly from intrepid to lucid
[23:11] <Typos_King> Guest95817:     not to mention I've noticed no real advantage when using ext4 rather than ext3, I'm on ext3
[23:11] <Guest95817> mm
[23:11] <CreativeChemist> it did
[23:11] <jrib> CreativeChemist: link?
[23:11] <CreativeChemist> only site i trust
[23:11] <Losha> Typos_King: heretic...
[23:11] <CreativeChemist> just a sec
[23:11] <Bodsda> Hi - what is the most elegant way of running a script based on an event, the event being 'lsusb' has 'Apple, Inc.' in the output
[23:11] <Typos_King> hehhe
[23:12] <Guest95817> im interesting in the speed boot
[23:12] <dotnet67> after editing /etc/network/interfaces (added wpa-psk/wpa-ssid/address/gateway etc.) and running "/etc/init.d/networking restart" iwconfig still shows a blank SSID under ra0 (the interface im configuring) - what might I be doing wrong?
[23:12] <CreativeChemist> might reboot again as i search
[23:12] <Typos_King> Guest95817:     booting speed?   was the same with both, at least for me, was the same when running too
[23:12] <Guest95817> but in ubuntu 8.04 mi graphic card work best
[23:12] <Losha> Guest95817: I don't think mixing 8.04 with ext4 will speed up anything, except perhaps a nervous breakdown...
[23:12] <sebsebseb> Typos_King: Guest95817  I did in 9.04, with the optional Ext4 support, that is not properly stable since kernel and such.  In 9.10 nah, except for the faster disk check after 23 or so boots.
[23:13] <Guest95817> ok
[23:13] <tim> help
[23:13] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  meh its freezing.. but thats where it said. Doesn't matter. I cant install the new one fresh because it breaks wireless
[23:13] <duffydack> Deleting a very large or a lot of small files versus ext3/4, its a lot faster in ext4
[23:13] <tim> i carnt get my wireless working but only on ethanet connection
[23:14] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: ok
[23:14] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  and I don't have a wired connection (tis in roommates room and dont want to sit in her room while I try to fix it)
[23:14] <jrib> CreativeChemist: I am telling you it did not say that because that it isn't supported.  Anyway install 10.04 correctly if you want and then head over to #ubuntu+1 for support as it's still not released yet
[23:14] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: well you can try 10.04 released this Thursday,  however 8.04 also gets certain advantages over 10.04 really.  Also 8.04 is supported on the desktop untill  April next year.
[23:15] <Typos_King> duffydack:    heheh, I recall to have done so.... I don't recall noticing the 'a lot' speed between either
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: plus 10.10 gets released in October, and there are other good distros out there as well.   Anyway which card?
[23:15] <Guest95817> yes, but the problem is y try whit beta version of ubntu 8.04 , but the graphic performance is low
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: of 8.04, you mean 10.04?
[23:16] <Guest95817> sorry y try whit ubuntu 10.04
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: ok what are you currently running?
[23:16] <Guest95817> backtrack 4 from usb
[23:16] <Hillshum> Guest95817: The beta is pretty old.
[23:16] <CreativeChemist> jrib,  easier question, how do I switch to metacity then back to compiz?
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: also there  was/is some sort of xorg issue in 10.04 that makes things slow, but that  will be fixed by the final.   As for Backtrack 4 that should only realy be used by security professioanls.
[23:17] <CreativeChemist> which might fix the issue
[23:17] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: it is not really a desktop/laptop OS, it's a special security  testing distro
[23:17] <Guest95817> yes but i just try it
[23:17] <Pici> Its not supported here as well.
[23:17] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: plus as Pici pointed out, Backtrack also isn't supported here
[23:19] <Losha> Guest95817: time to answer sebsebseb's question about which graphics card you're using...
[23:19] <Guest95817> now just wait for 10.04 , whit fast or equal grapich perfomance
[23:19] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: that depends on the card
[23:19] <Guest95817> ati radeon express 200m
[23:20] <Guest95817> whit 512 of memory
[23:20]  * wildbat dances~
[23:21] <Guest95817> y older version of ubuntu the performance is great , but from 9.10 an more the graphic permormance is low
[23:21] <alket> Hi. I am from Kosovo and we want to be approved as Ubuntu Kosova LoCo Team ? I read the wiki but i want to conctant with someone
[23:21] <Hariharakadan> heh Guest95817 What's the odds I got the same onboard video to. I had to wait till Karmic came out before I could make use of it though. Somewhere between Karmic and a few versions down the proprietary drivers disappeared.
[23:21] <d4non> why do I have same windows in taskbar on every desktop?
[23:21] <alket> that approves
[23:21] <d4non> that's not how it should work
[23:21] <d4non> I mean in KDE
[23:23] <Losha> alket: go to https://launchpad.net/~kosova, login and then you should be able to send email to the members
[23:23] <dick-ric1ardson> how do I find the aspect ratio of a media file at the command line?
[23:23] <alket> Losha: I am admin at Kosova and Albania team, but we want to get approved
[23:23] <Guest95817> i thinking in install ubuntu 8.04 in ext4 file system for boot speed and the propietary driver of mi graphic card are suported for this kerbel version
[23:23] <brontosaurusrex> dick-ric1ardson: mediainfo
[23:24] <Guest95817> *kernel
[23:24] <canozan_> can anyone help me with merging a primary partition into an extended one
[23:24] <brontosaurusrex> dick-ric1ardson: possibly with ffmpeg and/or mplayer
[23:24] <Losha> alket: sorry, that's all I know about the subject...
[23:24] <rshartz> Hi! does any1 knows how to get an sis671/771 VGA 3D driver?
[23:24] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: It seems 10.04, will get better open drivers for ATI and Nivida or something,  well  Thursday is the final, but the download servers will be packed,  downloading the ISO burning contents to CD (ideally checking for a good download first the md5sum/sha1sum)  and booting up computer from Live CD and trying, on Saturday, should be alright.
[23:24] <dick-ric1ardson> brontosaurusrex: mediainfo: command not found
[23:24] <brontosaurusrex> dick-ric1ardson: google
[23:25] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: if you end up having to use 8.04,  or another distro though, so be it
[23:25] <Guest95817> ok , thank sebsebseb
[23:25] <dick-ric1ardson> brontosaurusrex: had that worked, I wouldn't have bothered the room w/it
[23:25] <phantom> hi
[23:25] <Guest95817> i will try
[23:25] <brontosaurusrex> dick-ric1ardson: google for 'mediainfo'
[23:25] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: also I guess this link  will be useful  later on
[23:25] <bastidrazor> dick-ric1ardson: file filename
[23:25] <sebsebseb> !ati | Guest95817
[23:26] <_blackwater_> !google | brontosaurusrex
[23:26] <Losha> dick-ric1ardson: what does apt-cache search mediainfo say?
[23:26] <brontosaurusrex> no, its not in the repos i think
[23:26] <dick-ric1ardson> Losha: not in the repos
[23:27] <bastidrazor> dick-ric1ardson: use: file filename.avi
[23:27] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: and I mentioned ISO checking, but never  got the bot to give you a link, it's a good thing to do, even though,  downloads will be fine 99% of the time.
[23:27] <Guest67083> ubottu : why i am always been a guest...always
[23:27] <sebsebseb> !md5sum | Guest95817
[23:27] <sebsebseb> Guest67083: Well good luck with your card on a Linux distro!
[23:28] <ywgx> 有人吗？
[23:28] <Losha> dick-ric1ardson: I got my mediainfo from a ppa. See also idvid from the tovid package...
[23:28] <Guest95817> ok
[23:28] <rolsworth> chrome is so much faster than running firefox on this netbook
[23:28] <Guest67083> ywgx... English please...!
[23:28] <Losha> Guest67083: have you tried to change your nick with /nick ?
[23:28] <dick-ric1ardson> that's enough to run with; thank you brontosaurusrex Losha bastidrazor!
[23:29] <Guest67083> will try that...
[23:29] <rshartz> can I at least put an external screen on an sis671/771 on Ubuntu? I could only manage to place a copy...
[23:29] <Typos_King>  /dcc send rolsworth opera10.deb
[23:29]  * Typos_King ducks
[23:30] <rolsworth> never liked the look of opera
[23:30] <froggyman> Opera is my preferred browser on desktops
[23:30] <Maxtor_111> hi
[23:30] <Typos_King> rolsworth:    is skinnable :), but anyhow
[23:30] <Losha> rolsworth: I found opera awkward to use...
[23:30] <froggyman> Chrome on netbooks
[23:30] <Typos_King> awkward to whaaa?!
[23:31] <sebsebseb> !ot | rolsworth froggyman Typos_King  Losha
[23:31] <Maxtor_111> where can i get to watch free online movies...anyone..
[23:31] <rolsworth> chrome is nice though especially for the netbook with smaller screen
[23:31] <sebsebseb> !ot | Maxtor_111
[23:31] <Maxtor_111> yes! understood..
[23:32] <Gerrit> Hi, I have screen resolution problems. I have a BenQ G2420HD LCD and ATI Radeon HD 3450. I am unable to run at more than 1024x768. I have tried to add the higher resolution manually using instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution but in that case I get a black screen. I think I am presently using the opensource xserver-xorg-video-ati. Does this support higher resolutions ...
[23:32] <Gerrit> ... than 1024x768?
[23:32] <Guest95817> sebsebseb// the problem whit the later versions of ubuntu are not suorted for the propietary driver of mi graphic card, in the link that you send me , can find information about to install it of anyway?
[23:32] <Losha> sebsebseb: browsers are ubuntu apps. It's not *entirely* off-topic...
[23:32] <rww> Losha: yes, it is
[23:32] <Losha> rww: it is?
[23:33] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: I actsauly prefer 8.04,  to 9.10 and 10.04 :)  however I won't use it anymore since...  well I guess i'll vm it again some time  just like 8.10
[23:33] <h00k> Losha: it isn't support related. This is a support channel
[23:33] <Maxtor_111> where can i get good themes for ubuntu 9.10 ?
[23:33] <rww> ubottu: themes
[23:33] <rshartz> Does any one know how to suppress the nm-applet dialog "Wireless Network Authentication Required"?
[23:34] <Losha> An op has spoken. It's dropped...
[23:34] <Typos_King> Gerrit:  tried yet the dpkg-reconfigure bit to get a xorg.conf you can tweak about?
[23:34] <rww> rshartz: is that the one that asks for your keychain password?
[23:34] <sebsebseb> Maxtor_111: be a bit careful though getting stuff from outside the Ubuntu repo's, because you might install malware.  For example there was a few months or so ago,  what was meant to be a screensaver on gnome look , but turned out to be some sort of malicious program instead.
[23:34] <rshartz> yes...
[23:35] <h00k> rshartz: do you have autologin enabled?
[23:35] <Guest95817> now y prefer 8.04
[23:35] <rshartz> I mean the one that presumes you entered the wrong password for the WEP/WPA key
[23:35] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: Why I prefer 8.04?
[23:35] <Guest95817> yes
[23:35] <Guest95817> sorry
[23:35] <vadi01_> how many hours longer to wait for 10.04????
[23:36] <sebsebseb> vadi01_: over 24
[23:36] <sebsebseb> vadi01_: it's released on the 29th
[23:36] <Typos_King> Losha:   am afraid it's, hehhe, since it'd be off addressing ongoing issues requiring a fix, it simply addresses oneself's preferences or inclinations :)
[23:36] <vadi01_> ok
[23:36] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: that's off topic, but you can pm me, if you really want to know
[23:36] <Gerrit> Typos_King: I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure but it does not give me any xorg.conf
[23:36] <ywgx> hello everyone
[23:36] <Typos_King> vadi01_   go watch the English Patient 3 times, then go to bed, it'll be done by then :P~
[23:36] <Gerrit> Typos_King: At least not in /etc/X22
[23:37] <Guest95817> but the speed boot is fast many times and the performance of the siste is the best at direfence whit other ubuntu distributions  on mi laptop
[23:37] <Gerrit> I tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org', I'm running 10.04
[23:37] <vadi01_> :)
[23:37] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: ok :)
[23:37] <Gerrit> I tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', I'm running 10.04
[23:37] <sebsebseb> Guest95817: well it's fine to still use 8.04, whilst it's still being supported, which it will be on the desktop untill April next year
[23:37] <rshartz> yes I have autologin enabled...
[23:37] <Guest95817> y try whit the other and xfce desktop, lxde  etc
[23:37] <Gerrit> How do I reboot into recovery mode? I don't get any grub-opiton at boot
[23:37] <ywgx> ok
[23:37] <ywgx> reboot
[23:37] <Typos_King> Gerrit:  and you rebooted after you issued it yet?
[23:38] <ywgx> 这里有中国学生吗？
[23:38] <Gerrit> Typos_King: I rebooted just now to try to boot iton recovery mode, but didn't see any grub...
[23:38] <Gerrit> maybe I need to look harder
[23:38] <rshartz> the problem is most of the time the note will be turned on but I wont be able to access it, only by ssh
[23:39] <legend2440> Gerrit: hold down Shift key at boot to get the grub menu
[23:40] <Gerrit> legend2440: Ok I'll try (I'm used to seeing a message "press ... for grub")
[23:41] <rshartz> msg h00k yes
[23:41] <Losha> Gerrit: I think they 'improved' that message out of existence...
[23:41] <Gerrit> Well.
[23:41] <Gerrit> I held down the shift key, now I have an error message from my monitor "No cable connected" :(
[23:41] <Typos_King> heheh
[23:41] <theJKH> Wow!
[23:42] <Typos_King> maybe is a hardware bios keybinding
[23:42] <h00k> rshartz: as far as I know, if you are autologged in, you need to open your keyring with a password
[23:43] <Gerrit> is there any other way to get into grub?
[23:44] <nny> sweet jesus does empathy always suck this much
[23:44] <geeneeus84> -NickServ
[23:44] <geeneeus84> is used for what?
[23:44] <nny> telepathy keeps crashing, can't register hald the time
[23:44] <nny> hlaf
[23:44] <nny> half*
[23:44] <rww> ubottu: register | geeneeus84
[23:45] <vilemaxim> anyone tried to pull data off a tape created by backup exec using ubuntu?
[23:45] <nny> first question: what would cause empathy and telepathy to randomly crash or lock up? (New install, have MSN, yahoo and IRC setup so far)
[23:45] <SvendJolly> Hi guys. Does anyone have any experience with activating the optical output (SPDIF) on my soundcard? Im a linux greenie. Please msg me, and i will tell you more about my problem
[23:46] <Gerrit> left shift or right shift?
[23:46] <Losha> Gerrit: you can probably edit the grub config. If it's grub2, someone else will have to help you...
[23:46] <yaaar> any thinkfinger gurus around? i just installed thinkfinger-tools and libpam-thinkfinger on the lucid rc and ran tf-tool --acquire and /usr/lib/pam-thinkfinger/pam-thinkfinger-enable ...now sudo/gksudo will use the fingerprint reader to auth, but i can't use it to login or unlock the screen. i've looked at the files in  /etc/pam.d and they all seem to include common-auth, which looks...
[23:46] <yaaar> ...right....anybody know what else i should be checking?
[23:46] <jeeves> anyone want to take a shot @ this one?  http://pastebin.com/ScraKdfM
[23:46] <plum> is there any way to install ubuntu on ext3 partition?
[23:46] <Pici> plum: sure.
[23:47] <rolsworth> since i installed ubuntu to my netbook i can barely look at anything on youtube. Is there some kind of flash update?
[23:47] <plum> Pici: will it work to do that from the install usb?
[23:47] <ConcreteRose> what? is my nickname
[23:47] <Gerrit> In it possible that grub is drying to display on a size that doesn't work for my monitor/videocard?
[23:47] <plum> install cd * (i'm  using usb livedisk)
[23:48] <ZykoticK9> jeeves, try stopping the dovecot service before uninstalling (as that's the first error)
[23:48] <jeeves> ZykoticK9, did that, same thing
[23:48] <Pici> plum: It should.  Choose the manual partition method though, to ensure that it doesn't create paritions for you.
[23:48]  * ywgx momo xcjc
[23:48] <Pici> plum: I personally use the alternate CD, which definitely allows you to do that.
[23:49] <ywgx> list
[23:49] <plum> Pici: what do you mean the alternate cd?
[23:49] <RDS101> hi
[23:49] <theJKH> Everyone excited for Thursday?
[23:49] <plum> theJKH: what's happening thursday?
[23:49] <Gerrit> How do I get into grub? I held down the right shift key during boot, but did not get any grub.
[23:49] <Losha> jeeves: you could try dpkg --remove --force=all dovecot* . At your own risk...
[23:49] <Pici> plum: The text-based installer.
[23:49] <plum> ooh i see
[23:50] <theJKH> The Ubuntu release! :)
[23:50] <Pici> !party
[23:50] <Typos_King> Gerrit:  no,... .unfortunately, I know what you mean about autobooting into it and not showing the grub menu.... haven't found.... an answer yet, I know that changing the 'timeout' for it, doens't work, when there's only 1 boot option, only when there's more
[23:50] <rolsworth> lol
[23:50] <ZykoticK9> Gerrit, try left SHIFT (you are using Grub2 right?)
[23:50] <rolsworth> i could never get excited abotu an ubuntu release. they all seem pretty much the same
[23:50] <Gerrit> ZykoticK9: Probably, I'm using Kubuntu 10.04
[23:50] <jeeves> Losha, lol, @ this point, NOTHING I've tried to do with this PostfixAdmin install has worked.  I need to get the v-hosts setup soon though
[23:50] <Gerrit> I'll try left shift
[23:50] <ZykoticK9> Gerrit, fresh install or upgraded?
[23:50] <Gerrit> fresh
[23:50] <Gerrit> new computer
[23:50] <sebsebseb> rolsworth: oh 10.04 is quite differnet to previous versions, you'll see
[23:51] <Typos_King> Gerrit:  or can't be sure, I think it worked for me... can't recall, either way, I changed my Grub timing or 'timeout' in /etc/default/grub   to 30, and that's how long it waits till defaulting
[23:51] <rolsworth> i am using it right now
[23:51] <addchild314> hey all
[23:51] <plum> Pici: on the ubuntu installer in partition manager (i think it's step 3 or 4) it automatically selects my internal harddrive unless i have free space on my secondary harddrive (which it then uses as ext4)
[23:51] <ZykoticK9> Gerrit, try holding Left Shift directly after seeing bios screen
[23:51] <RDS101> Network
[23:51] <rolsworth> just a new theme. i don't see anything ground breaking
[23:51] <RDS101> What is the ubuntu network?
[23:51] <plum> is there any way i can specify which hard drive to install on?
[23:51] <sebsebseb> rolsworth: I tend to get bored of these more recent versions of Ubuntu, before the final is even out, since tested in development. Anyway off topic
[23:51] <Pici> plum: The last time I used the LiveCD, it had an option to partition the disks manually.
[23:51] <Typos_King> plum:    sure, on the install screen, choose 'manual'
[23:52] <Gerrit> ZykoticK9: Just now I hav held down the left shift from initial boot all the way until I get the kdm login screen... no grub
[23:52] <jeeves> Losha, lol, your command didn't work.  :-(
[23:52] <RDS101> :) See
[23:52] <plum> okay, will do
[23:52] <Pici> RDS101: You mean which network is this irc channel on? This is freenode.
[23:52] <ywgx> fine day for friends
[23:52] <plum> i'll be back if i have issues, thanks guys
[23:52] <ZykoticK9> Gerrit, i don't know then.  Best of luck.
[23:52] <ywgx> so-so day for you
[23:52] <RDS101> Oh
[23:52] <rolsworth> i notice with empathy when it marks you as away it does not change no matter what
[23:52] <Pici> ywgx: do you have a support question?
[23:52] <addchild314> got a wubi/grub(2)/nVidia question for anyone so qualified
[23:52] <RDS101> Real, the network of ubuntu
[23:52] <plum> actually last question... is there any thing i will lose if i have ubuntu on ext3 instead of ext4?
[23:52] <RDS101> is that connected to the network of freenode
[23:53] <ywgx> I am first useing irc
[23:53] <sebsebseb> plum: depends on the version
[23:53] <Gerrit> is there any other way to get into grub? Can I in some way change the configuration so that it shows the menu in any case?
[23:53] <plum> sebsebseb: it's 9.10 desktop
[23:53] <Pici> RDS101: irc.ubuntu.com is a pointer (cname) to chat.freenode.net
[23:53] <RDS101> Oh ok
[23:53] <RDS101> :)
[23:53] <Typos_King> plum:    'lose'?   like what?
[23:53] <RDS101> Good
[23:53] <Pici> ywgx: Please join #ubuntu-offtopic if you don't have an Ubuntu support question.
[23:53] <RDS101> To know
[23:53] <FloodBot1> RDS101: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:53] <RDS101> Flood?
[23:53] <RDS101> You mean water flood?
[23:53] <sebsebseb> plum: by default 9.10 is Ext4 for clean installs, same thing for 10.04, but  upgrades from 9.04 to 9.10 won't be Ext4.  Just like upgrades from 8.04 to 10.04 won't be.  and yeah 10.04 final is out this Thursday
[23:54] <Typos_King> RDS101:    flood, as in 'too many too fast'
[23:54] <vilemaxim> Gerrit, grub1 is in /boot/grub/menu.lst I think
[23:54] <plum> Typos_King: like for example, if you move from NTFS to FAT you won't be able to change permissions anymore
[23:54] <RDS101> oh ok, am i fast?
[23:54] <jeeves> vilemaxim, yes, that's GRUB 1
[23:54] <Pici> RDS101: If you don't have an Ubuntu support question, you may /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:54] <Gerrit> vilemaxim: I don't have such a file. I guess I'm on GRUB 2, since I'm on Kubuntu 10.04
[23:54] <RDS101> Oh ok
[23:54] <RDS101> Great, so lets join it
[23:54] <sebsebseb> plum: then there was optional Ext4 support in 9.04, that really did make a difference, but also wasn't properly stable, since the kernel and such.   I tested 9.10 clean install with Ext3 and Ext4.  didn't make much differnect at all.  However for the automatic disk checking after 23 or so boots, with Ext4 much quicker than with Ext3.
[23:54] <Typos_King> plum:     I've used both, I saw no advantage to ext4 :|, I'm on ext3
[23:55] <sebsebseb> plum: when I say tested, I mean the boot up and shut down
[23:55] <plum> sebsebseb: that's odd.. it doesn't seem to be too big a difference then
[23:55] <addchild314> On 10.04b2 wubi install with grub 2 (i think) and current nvidia drivers, boot progress screen graphics are extremely low-res. Any way to fix?
[23:55] <Pici> addchild314 : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Lucid/10.04 support/discussion.
[23:55] <vilemaxim> Gerrit, maybe startupmanager will help.  aptitude install startupmanager
[23:55] <sebsebseb> plum: in 9.04 it did, espesailly with a nice text boot up, but yep doesn't seem so for 9.10 or 10.04.
[23:56] <bsmith093> i apparenlty just replaced a switch with a hub on my network to resolve appearantly random internet crashes was that a good idea
[23:56] <plum> if i get this all configured and everything, i'll be on 9.10... will i be able to cleanly upgrade to 10.04 when it gets released then?
[23:56] <Pici> plum: Sure.
[23:56] <nny> bsmith093: hubs are no good
[23:56] <nny> bsmith093: but temp fix sure
[23:56] <vilemaxim> Gerrit, it will appear in your System -> Administrator menu
[23:56] <plum> sounds great. thanks a lot everyone
[23:56] <bsmith093> why not
[23:56] <sebsebseb> plum: why did you do 9.10 with Ext3?
[23:56] <nny> bsmith093: a hub just blasts traffic to all ports, regardless of who it is intended for
[23:56] <vilemaxim> Gerrit, I think it will allow all kinds of modifications to grub. Hope that helps
[23:56] <nny> bsmith093: a switch sends packets based on the MAC of the device attached to it
[23:57] <Gerrit> vilemaxim: ok, will try
[23:57] <nny> bsmith093: (or IP depending on layer switch)
[23:57] <Gerrit> brb
[23:57] <plum> sebsebseb: my bootloader that allows me to run snow leopard and windows, only recognizes ext3. so i want to be able to boot all 3
[23:57] <nny> bsmith093: basically hub = messy/busy
[23:57] <plum> windows, mac, linux
[23:57] <vilemaxim> Gerrit, I have not played with grub2 too much. I've installed it a few times, but nothing broke yet so....
[23:57] <Typos_King> plum:    10.04 gets released tomorrow, why not just install it then? :P
[23:57] <sebsebseb> plum: hrm  on a real Mac?
[23:57] <plum> sebsebseb: nope, windows laptop
[23:57] <sebsebseb> Typos_King:  plum no it gets released on the 29th Thursday
[23:57] <sebsebseb> plum: ok  the way you done Mac uhmm
[23:58] <bsmith093> well i have talked extensively with time warner cable and they said the problem was the switch
[23:58] <sebsebseb> plum: not peroperly legal, if at all really
[23:58] <Typos_King> plum: so, 2 days... IMO better a full-install than an unnecessary upgrade
[23:58] <nny> bsmith093: what's between TW and your switch?!
[23:58] <plum> sebsebseb: you could be right there
[23:58] <bsmith093> a router linksys wrt54g
[23:58] <sebsebseb> plum: Is 9.10 on there yet?
[23:59] <nny> (btw I am starting to HATE empathy, someone tell me I am crazy, just got kicked for clicking the stupid green envelope)
[23:59] <nny> bsmith093: ok and a switch is connected to that?
[23:59] <sebsebseb> nny: oh
[23:59] <plum> sebsebseb: it is, but i can't boot it at the moment because the bootloader doesn't see ext4
[23:59] <bsmith093> yes
[23:59] <nny> bsmith093: (or hub)
[23:59] <sebsebseb> plum: uh which version of Grub?
[23:59] <molqr> hello all
[23:59] <Gerrit> vilemaxim: I wonder if grub may be running but invisible due to monitor/display issues
[23:59] <ywgx> where are you from?
[23:59] <nny> bsmith093: well the switch could have been faulty, so the hub would have "resolved" the issue, but overall you'll want a switch connected.
[23:59] <Gerrit> (by running I mean showing itself)
[23:59] <bsmith093> internet to modem to router to stuff and hub to more stuff