[05:00] <jt> thank god  i found this
[05:01] <jt> geforce gt 710 video card driver install
[05:03] <jt> jt identify <83humbL3>
[05:04] <jt> is thaT BETTER?
[05:04] <jt> anybody on here?
[06:15] <xubuntuMarc> Hello community
[06:18] <xubuntuMarc_> Hello community, I have a pb with xubuntu 18.04.1 install on VirtualBox
[06:19] <xubuntuMarc_> COuld you check https://pasteboard.co/HSg3Ojn.png
[06:19] <xubuntuMarc_> It is a printscreen of the problem. Self expaining
[06:23] <Unit193> xubuntuMarc_: Restart lightdm, or flip to tty1 and back to 7.
[06:25] <xubuntuMarc> Hello community, I have a pb with xubuntu 18.04.1 install on VirtualBox 5.2.22
[06:25] <xubuntuMarc> I installed it on a Linux Host No problem.
[06:25] <xubuntuMarc> I tryed to install on a Win8 host and it gives unusable graphics at start (first boot after install OK)
[06:25] <xubuntuMarc> You can check https://pasteboard.co/HSg3Ojn.png
[06:25] <ikatamoonshots> never experienced this, maybe the host?
[06:25] <ikatamoonshots> tough found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/868347/graphics-horribly-corrupted-on-ubuntu-16-04-in-virtualbox-showing-random-strips
[06:25] <ikatamoonshots> and this https://askubuntu.com/questions/830242/ubuntu-installed-in-virtualbox-has-blurred-screen
[06:25] <ikatamoonshots> basically they say drop to shell using ALT + f1
[06:25] <xubuntuMarc> It is a printscreen of the problem. Self explaining.
[06:25] <ikatamoonshots> ALT + F3 *
[06:27] <ikatamoonshots> my guess its a host issue - have run xubuntu inside xubuntu on virtualbox and it worked fine all the way
[06:27] <ikatamoonshots> 16 & 18
[06:27] <xubuntuMarc> Ok. Thanks I will read those posts
[06:27] <ikatamoonshots> :)
[06:28] <xubuntuMarc> OK. It works
[06:28] <ikatamoonshots> yay!
[06:29] <xubuntuMarc> Simply switching to console then back to graphical and everything is just fine.
[06:29] <xubuntuMarc> Very strange.
[06:29] <xubuntuMarc> Many thanks !
[06:29] <xubuntuMarc> good day to all community!
[06:29] <ikatamoonshots> no idea whats the root cause
[07:52] <xubuntu15d> hello?
[07:56] <gnrp> xubuntu15d: hello
[07:56] <gnrp> xubuntu15d: If you have a question, just ask. When somebody is there who knows the answer, he will reply.
[08:02] <xubuntu15d> I am new to ubuntu, linux and i would like to condoidate all my files across 5 old hardrives to one hardrive. I also want to insall my geforce gt 710 graphics card. i also need to trouble shoot / diagnose what is going on with my network adapter and my ethernet connection since no one at7t is able to help.
[08:34] <gnrp> xubuntu15d: First, you have to expect to wait a bit for the reply. I think most people here are based in Europe where it is still rather early
[08:35] <gnrp> xubuntu15d: For the hard drives: Do you want to buy a new one or have just all the five hard drives showing up as one in the system?
[08:35] <gnrp> the GT 710 should actually work without any further installation in Xubuntu, I think. If you want more, you could install the closed source nvidia driver
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
[15:04] <xubuntu15d> @<ubottu>in my attempt to install the NVIDIA DRIVERS : the linux dowload is in the wromg language, i attempted to put the  .run into spyder and visual basic studio. I dodn'y know how to modify the code. visual basic states there are bugs.
[15:08] <xubuntu15d> the solution is generic it doesn't work.
[15:11] <xubuntu15d> i want to put all my data onto 1 drive and wipe the other drives clean. Then do a fresh install. Someone else is manipulating my system and toying with me.
[18:33] <xubuntu15d> amybody here?
[18:55] <Spass> hello xubuntu15d


[06:25] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <bkerensa> dholbach: good morning
[08:00] <dholbach> hi bkerensa
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: will you be making it to debconf? I forgot it I asked
[08:01] <dholbach> you asked
[08:01] <dholbach> and no, I won't be able to make it :/
[08:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: well surely DC15 :)
[08:02] <dholbach> yeah, let's see :-D
[08:03] <popey> will that be in europe?
[08:04] <bkerensa> popey: yes it will be in germany so should be easy for dholbach
[08:04] <bkerensa> :)
[08:05] <bkerensa> popey: well technically germany is the popular bid atm
[08:05] <bkerensa> it depends I guess how everything plays out in terms of the bid
[08:09] <popey> surely we'll have moved off debian by 2015

[11:11] <jose> dholbach: you're all set on the doc
[12:40] <dholbach> jose, thanks!
[14:30] <czajkowski> charles butler ping
[14:30] <czajkowski> cannot remember the irc nick :/
[14:59] <dholbach> czajkowski, is it https://launchpad.net/~lazypower?
[14:59] <dholbach> (I just checked launchpad.net/people)
[15:41] <Pici> Hey, anyone happen to know where someone should report issues if they are having problems with Ubuntu Certified Hardware? Just a user, not someone necessarily intersted in purchasing services from Canonical.
[16:09] <mhall119> Pici: bugs or something else?
[16:09] <Pici> mhall119: yeah
[16:09] <Pici> er, yes, a bug
[16:10] <mhall119> well launchpad is the obvious answer, I don't know if there's an extra step to say "Hey, this is certified hardware and it's not working!"
[16:10] <mhall119> I'm assuming it's a hardware-related bug
[16:11] <Pici> Yeah, I was looking for that extra step, if it does exist.


[07:42] <osfd> Hi there. How to do you downgrade to a former branch of your favorite software, please
[08:21] <osfd> -r 'version'
[16:18] <LeoNerd> $ bzr shelve --diff-options=-c2
[16:18] <LeoNerd> bzr: ERROR: no such option: --diff-options   <== Feature Request? :)
[16:18] <LeoNerd> I want to shelve with a smaller diff context size, because two of my changes are a bit too close to each other
[16:29] <fullermd> Pretty sure it doesn't really use diff, so that would be tricksy.
[16:32] <vila> LeoNerd: 'bzr shelve --help' talks about a  'change_editor' config option, pretty sure it allows splitting hunks on the fly (never used myself though)
[16:33] <LeoNerd> Hrm....
[16:47] <vila> LeoNerd: yeah, not ideal, hard to discover (without that option I think the shelve prompt does not mention the ability to edit) but it should address your immediate need ?
[16:48] <LeoNerd> I'm not sure I follow - how do I use that?
[16:49] <vila> you setup change_editor in bazaar.conf and then you should see an additional option in the shelve prompt
[16:50] <vila> which should allow you to shelve the part you want to shelve and keep the rest ?
[16:50] <vila> at least that's my understanding of the feature...
[17:12] <LeoNerd> Ahhhyes.. I remember now
[17:12] <LeoNerd> So how do I do vim with that?
[17:31] <vila> LeoNerd: bzr config change_editor='emacs @new_path @old_path' ?
[17:31] <vila> err, vim ;)
[17:34] <LeoNerd> Ahyes...
[17:37] <vila> LeoNerd: I have to leave but will read log, let me know if it worked for you
[17:48] <LeoNerd> Yeah.. seems fine now, thanks


[16:15] <shookees> hey everyone
[16:16] <shookees> I have a question whether it is possible to make
[16:16] <shookees> a textbox in unity panel menu?
[16:17] <shookees> nvm
[20:21] <thumper> morning
[23:06] <jderose> Just got the interview with Charline Poirier published - http://vimeo.com/groups/novacutartistdiaries/videos/32413058


[00:13] <[reed]> anybody that can correct a typo on the alpha4 release notes page around?
[00:14] <slangasek> [reed]: I can feed it to the webmaster for fixing later
[00:14] <[reed]> slangasek: ok, just check http://ventnorsblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-do-i-notes-release.html
[00:14] <[reed]> it explains the two issues
[00:14] <[reed]> thanks! :)
[00:15] <slangasek> wow, er, ok
[00:15] <slangasek> that bug was already in the alpha3 release notes, I wonder why he didn't correct us earlier for misspelling his name :)
[00:16] <[reed]> heh, guess he didn't notice
[00:17]  * slangasek chuckles that he corrects us for not including the full title of his blog post, when his blog post doesn't follow correct English capitalization rules for titles ;)
[00:18] <StevenK> slangasek: Could you please release mlt++ from binary NEW?
[00:20] <[reed]> slangasek: heh, I'll berate him about that :)
[00:25] <andresmujica> which package generates /etc/environment ? i couldn't find any using dpkg -S
[00:26] <slangasek> currently, I'm not sure anything does create it reliably
[00:29] <andresmujica> i'm triaging some bugs related to that file but cannot find where to put them or which package to assign them
[00:34] <slangasek> andresmujica: I think pam is going to end up being responsible for the file creation in Debian, and unless the Ubuntu installer has diverged in ways I'm not familiar with, that means it'll be doing the same in Ubuntu; so I think that's an ok starting point
[00:38] <andresmujica> ok thks
[01:32] <helpme> HI CAN SOMEONE HELP ME I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY UBUNTU :(
[01:35] <ion_> You can solve your problem by hitting the “Caps Lock” key once. The light should turn off.
[01:37] <emgent> helpme, please ask in #ubuntu
[01:42] <helpme> i did ask there
[05:28] <richbl> hello all... I'm interested in doing some Ubuntu work. I'm a dev, but I'm specifically interested in interface design/development. Can someone recommend a good mailing list?
[05:29] <richbl> Hmmm... looks like I need to move to #ubuntu-motu... byef
[06:08] <pwnguin> hidden elitist IRC channel Linus is involved with?
[06:14] <ScottK2> pwnguin: If you knew about it, it wouldn't hidden, right?
[06:21] <pwnguin> ScottK2: i suppose
[06:21] <pwnguin> but i thought the lmkl was the goto point for conversation
[06:23] <ScottK2> I have no idea.  Just saying.
[06:23] <mjg59> It's like anything. Sometimes it's easier for people to talk to each other directly.
[06:38] <pitti> Good morning
[06:38] <StevenK> Morning pitti
[06:38] <pitti> StevenK: hey! back home?
[07:10] <warp10> Good morning
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <pitti> hey dholbach
[07:45] <dholbach> hey pitti
[09:15] <pitti> calc: MainInclusionReportHunspell says that hunspell is the successor of myspell; does that mean that we could get rid of myspell to reduce the *spell duplicate-o-rama a bit?
[09:15] <pitti> calc: (aspell, ispell, myspell, hunspell -- that's both a maintenance and user experience hell)
[09:15] <pitti> ArneGoetje: CC: ^
[09:18] <pecisk> hi people, I try to debug app under Ubuntu. I am using -dbg packages and gdb. However, when I try to run app - under root - in gdb, it says that it can't execute file, however file has execute flag in permitions. It gives error like this: warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function
[09:19] <pecisk> did I miss something? What else need to be installed to debug apps?
[09:19] <pitti> cjwatson_: did your proposed patch in bug 188650 actually work for you? doesn't here (debugging now)
[09:19] <pecisk> I read docs on wiki, but they don't tell about such scenario as mine
[09:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188650 in policykit "configuration makes life difficult for root" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188650
[09:32] <pitti> cjwatson_: (I think the problem is that root usually does not have a ConsoleKit session)
[09:34] <seb128> pitti: speaking about hunspell
[09:34] <seb128> pitti: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDictionary
[09:36] <seb128> pitti: there is a mail on ubuntu-devel-discuss about that, fedora and opensuse are switching to hunspell
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: oh, great! thanks
[09:39] <seb128> pitti: looking at the fedora spec they have quite some patches etc already
[09:39] <pitti> right, shouldn't be too hard
[09:53] <cjwatson> pitti: it improved matters slightly as long as I passed XDG_SESSION_COOKIE through sudo
[09:53] <cjwatson> pitti: I'm not saying it makes everything magically work on its own - there are still other things to fix - but it gets rid of one of the roadblocks
[09:54] <cjwatson> and like I say it does seem to be a better set of semantics
[09:54] <cjwatson> the other obvious problem seems to be getting hold of the dbus session bus
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, that was it, thanks; I just wanted to test it before uploading
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson: dbus session bus> in earlier g-s-t I had a patch which used the session bus from $SUDO_USER
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson: we dropped that patch because it's not necessary by default any more
[09:55] <pitti> but if we need it for something, we can revive it
[09:56] <cjwatson> at the moment it makes life easier if you're running over ssh
[09:56] <pitti> cjwatson: but IIRC it was only time-admin
[09:56] <pitti> and only for disabling the screensaver
[09:56] <cjwatson> I sent a mail to Oliver + CK upstream + PK upstream about this
[09:56] <pitti> ah
[09:56] <cjwatson> the problem at the moment is that PK denies everything by default if your CK session is not local
[09:56] <pitti> ok, policykit uploaded
[09:56] <cjwatson> the PK configuration I suggested lets you work around this using sudo
[09:57] <cjwatson> you won't be able to test this yet, though, as the openssh patch to create a CK session lives mainly on my disk ;-)
[09:57] <pitti> so the pam module didn't work out in the end? (would be much more elegant)
[09:57] <cjwatson> unfortunately not
[09:57] <pitti> I remember the discussion, but I didn't see all of it
[09:58] <cjwatson> sshd opens the pam session way before the request comes from the client to create the pty
[09:58] <cjwatson> the only way to make a pam module work for this would be to completely reorganise how sshd interacts with pam - again
[09:58] <cjwatson> which doesn't really excite me
[09:58] <cjwatson> I did try :)
[10:21] <Company> hm, my weekly dist-upgrade wants to remove epiphany
[10:21]  * Company looks at seb128
[10:22] <seb128> Company: epiphany or epiphany-browser?
[10:22] <Company> lemme check
[10:22] <Company> epiphany-browser epiphany-browser-dev epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko
[10:22] <seb128> weird
[10:23] <Company> trying to manually install all the pckages it has kept back to find the culprit
[10:23] <seb128> ah
[10:25] <seb128> Company: what version do you have installed?
[10:25] <Company> 2.20.1-0ubuntu1
[10:26] <Company> of epiphany-browser
[10:26] <seb128> k, that's likely because there is no epiphany-extensions 2.21 yet
[10:27] <Company> ok
[10:27] <seb128> either remove this one if you don't need it
[10:27] <seb128> or keep using epiphany-browser 2.20.n
[10:27] <Company> yeah
[10:27] <Company> just wanted to make sure you're aware of the issue
[10:27] <seb128> and talk to chpe about update those and rolling a new tarball ;-)
[10:28] <seb128> right, we are, we are blocked on upstream updating and rolling a new tarball though
[10:28]  * Company goes kicking chpe
[10:29] <Company> unrelated question: are you gonna ship swfdec-gnome?
[10:30] <seb128> ship on the default installation you mean? because it's already available in universe
[10:30] <seb128> not sure what are the plan about flash support
[10:30] <seb128> asac: ^ any idea about this one?
[10:30] <Company> yeah, the question was more about status than availability
[10:31] <geser> dholbach: Hi, do you know when a new python-launchpad-bugs will land in hardy?
[10:31] <asac> seb128: i think he refers to the plugin finder service (e.g. will it be included in result list)
[10:31] <dholbach> geser: bdmurray wanted to prepare a new upload soon
[10:31] <asac> the answer is definitly "yes"
[10:32] <Company> asac: it's more related to libswfdec being an external dep of gnome now
[10:32] <asac> Company: if there is a software component that requires it, it will automatically be shipped
[10:32] <Company> asac: not the moz plugin
[10:32] <Company> k
[10:33] <Company> so that's magic at work there :)
[10:33] <asac> if you ask if its on CD ... i don't know. if there is anything of gnome on CD that needs it, then we have to consider it
[10:33] <asac> Company: more or less :)
[10:33] <seb128> Company: what does swfdec-gnome brings us? we likely want to consider it if it's useful ;-)
[10:34] <Company> seb128: thumbnails and a standalone flash player
[10:34] <asac> seb128: i think its some build dependency of some gnome component/app, but Company would know more details
[10:34] <Company> seb128: via swfdec-gnome
[10:34] <seb128> I'm wondering if we have lot of users using flash out of their web browser
[10:34] <seb128> I don't
[10:35] <Company> seb128: it's what vuntz called the evil plan to get swfdecinto the desktop ;)
[10:35] <seb128> I think that's worth discussing, that's always a balance between cost to support and what it brings
[10:35] <Company> seb128: you might be intersted in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2008-January/msg00084.html
[10:35] <asac> Company: in the end having it in universe shouldn't hurt imo (as long as the thumbnail support can be rolled in a plugin like fashion)
[10:36] <seb128> Company: thanks
[10:36] <Company> asac: yeah, i wouldn't mind either way
[10:36] <asac> Company: you said on your own that swfdec might not yet be ready given we have a LTS release ... or isn't that true for thumbnails/standalone player?
[10:37] <Company> asac: i think the thumbnails/standalone thing is not as critical, which is why i proposed it for gnome
[10:37] <Company> asac: it doesn't crash your browser if it sucks ;)
[10:37] <Company> also, it doesn't have as much impact and isn't as hard to implement
[10:37] <seb128> well, that's still code which we would need to support for security issues, etc if we promote it to main
[10:38] <awalton__> seb128, ping on launchpad bug 188361, this one's pretty serious
[10:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188361 in nautilus "Nautilus is following symbolic links when emptying trash" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188361
[10:38] <Company> right
[10:38] <seb128> awalton__: I've read the discussion on #nautilus and was about to backport it
[10:38] <awalton__> ah right
[10:38] <seb128> awalton__: thanks for the ping though
[10:38] <awalton__> I didn't see you in there
[10:38] <seb128> ;-)
[10:38] <awalton__> must just be early
[10:40] <asac> Company: is the thumbnail support a different tarball? or is it just a matter of packaging?
[10:40] <Company> asac: it's a dfferent tarball
[10:40] <Company> asac: from the moz plugin
[10:40] <seb128> asac: swfdec-gnome, it's in universe
[10:40] <Company> asac: there's swfdec, swfdec-gnome and swfdec-mozilla
[10:41] <asac> so we already have it ;)
[10:41] <Company> right
[10:41] <Company> it's just in universe
[10:57] <psicus78> asac: hi
[10:59] <asac> psicus78: ?
[11:03] <psicus78> asac: hi asac, I found your nick on the network-manager page on launchpad
[11:04] <asac> yep
[11:04] <psicus78> I was wondering if you plan to add support to wired authentication
[11:05] <asac> psicus78: we don't implement features on our own there, but track what network manager releases upstream.
[11:05] <psicus78> I know I know...
[11:05] <asac> ;)
[11:06] <psicus78> the fact is that the feature has been implemented in network manager and also committed to 0.6 branch
[11:06] <psicus78> I filed a bug few days ago to ask for packaging
[11:07] <psicus78> sorry I wasn't clear
[11:07] <asac> psicus78: then we will get it in hardy :) ... there is discussion to release 0.6.6 i just wanted to see if thats going to happen before cherry-picking more from svn to our package
[11:08] <psicus78> ok, cool!
[11:08] <psicus78> :)
[11:13] <mgunes> is there a release of multidistrotools?
[11:16] <Fujitsu> mgunes: No.
[11:16] <persia> mgunes: No, but there are several branches around.  I recommend http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~fujitsu/bzr/multidistrotools/
[11:17] <mgunes> Fujitsu, persia, thanks. anyone particular who maintains it? it would be nice to have it in Universe.
[11:24] <Riddell> doko: can you think of any reason why my kde 4 packages have stopped including rpaths in their libraries since last week?
[11:25] <doko> Riddell: no, not really.
[11:26] <Riddell> doko: no, me neither, I can work around it
[11:27] <doko> Riddell: or is this a feature test using the gcc version number?
[11:29] <pitti> Riddell: instead of using rpaths (which is slightly ugly IMHO), would it work to put an /etc/ld.so.d/ snippet into some libkdeyouneedme?
[11:29] <pitti> (kdelibs5?)
[11:29] <pitti> Riddell: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ of course
[11:33] <Riddell> pitti: that's exactly me work around
[11:33] <Riddell> my
[11:34] <Riddell> doko: no it's not that, RPATH has disappeared from the .so file (compiling the same source package the same way)
[11:37] <TheMuso> Good night folks.
[11:38] <pitti> bye TheMuso
[11:52] <geser> I've a modified Debian package in source NEW (modified to build in Ubuntu) but now there is a fixed package in unstable which could be synced. How to proceed?
[11:53] <Riddell> geser: I can reject if you want, and you can file a sync request in the normal way
[11:53] <geser> ok, please do
[11:53] <geser> haskell-regex-compat is the package
[11:54] <Riddell> geser: rejected
[11:56]  * Hobbsee waves
[11:56]  * geser waves back to Hobbsee
[11:57] <Hobbsee> sky fallen in yet?
[12:12] <xivulon> slangasek can you please have a look at bug #140458
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140458 in wubi "Provide official Ubuntu metalink files on a public webserver" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140458
[12:13] <xivulon> need to add support for that to wubi, and would like to have that ready before beta
[12:18] <ogra> cjwatson, the ck implementation behaves a bit strange if i use: sh -c "DISPLAY=$HOST:6.0 <command>" .... see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54707/
[12:19] <ogra> according to your mail it shoud just leave x11-display alone or did i understand that wrong ?
[12:19] <ogra> *should
[12:20] <ogra> oh
[12:20] <ogra> ah
[12:20] <ogra> cjwatson, ignore me, just found a bug :)
[12:47] <cjwatson> ogra: hmm, looks like you had X11 forwarding on as well ...?
[12:48] <ogra> yes
[12:48] <ogra> seems theer is a bug with ldm not dropping -X in its command
[12:48] <ogra> just testing the fix
[12:56] <calc> pitti: sounds good to me, assuming it can be a drop in replacement
[13:06] <mantiena-baltix> hi
[13:07] <mantiena-baltix> I found strange problem in policykit (I think so)
[13:07] <mantiena-baltix> who is responsible for policykit ?
[13:07] <mantiena-baltix> pitti, maybe you ?
[13:11] <mantiena-baltix> pitti, could you help me identify if there is a policykit problem ? None of gnome-system-tools works for me, but I have all updates, so this is not bug #183673
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183673 in policykit "Users-admin unlock not working" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183673
[13:11] <ogra> ogra@ceron:~$ ck-list-sessions |grep x11
[13:11] <ogra> 	x11-display = ''
[13:11] <ogra> 	x11-display-device = ''
[13:11] <ogra> ogra@ceron:~$ env |grep DISP
[13:11] <ogra> DISPLAY=<IP_ADDRESS>:6.0
[13:11] <ogra> cjwatson, now it works :)
[13:14] <seb128> ogra: I think your gartoon issue is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/188874
[13:14] <cjwatson> ogra: excellent; do the admin tools work in that context?
[13:14] <ogra> no
[13:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188874 in nautilus "Broken icon theme handling in Nautilus 2.21.90 in Hardy" [Low,New]
[13:14] <ogra> the non-local session is still a prob
[13:15] <ogra> but i have the sessions listed properly thats a good step forward :)
[13:15] <ogra> seb128, smells liek it, yes
[13:15] <cjwatson> ogra: right; try applying the policykit patch I mentioned in my mail and then using 'sudo env XDG_SESSION_COOKIE="$XDG_SESSION_COOKIE" time-admin' or some such
[13:15] <cjwatson> (obviously a grotty hack from hell but)
[13:15] <ogra> will do
[13:16] <mantiena-baltix> I get this error in console when start network-admin: ** (network-admin:9958): CRITICAL **: Unable to find session for cookie
[13:17] <mantiena-baltix> maybe because of this Unlock button in network-admin is grey ?
[13:17] <cjwatson> mantiena-baltix: how are you logging in?
[13:17] <mantiena-baltix> cj, startx
[13:17] <ogra> use gdm :)
[13:17] <cjwatson> if you abbreviate my name, then it doesn't highlight in my client. this is not in your best interests
[13:18] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, sorry, there is xchat problem, I pressed tab and it didn't finished ;)
[13:18] <broonie> mantiena-baltix: There is someone else with the shorter nick in the channel.
[13:18] <ogra> hmm, probably the startx script should see some ck integration as well ... i guess using startx is a quite common case still
[13:18] <mantiena-baltix> ogra, I can't user gdm - there is very restricted environment (only 500Mb disk space)
[13:19] <mantiena-baltix> s/user/use
[13:19] <ogra> mantiena-baltix, well, the desktop admin tools nowadays want a consolekit session ... there is nothing in startx that sets this up yet
[13:19] <mantiena-baltix> so, how I can fix this problem without installing gdm and libraries, needed for gdm ?
[13:19]  * ogra wonders if the pam module would suffice here
[13:20] <ogra> there is a pam module for consolekit, but i dont think anyone has integrated it with startx yet
[13:20] <mantiena-baltix> ogra, I can start consolekit session manually
[13:20] <mantiena-baltix> ogra, just tell me how ;)
[13:21] <ogra> your session manager needs to do that, all subsequently forked processes need to inherit the environment form that wrapper to use ck authentication ...
[13:22] <mantiena-baltix> ogra, I use openbox, there is an startup script in openbox - /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart.sh
[13:22] <ogra> you can surely issue a ck call to dbus or so manually from an xterm and wrap your x session in it i bet
[13:22] <mantiena-baltix> I can include needed commands in that script
[13:23] <ogra> fredesktop.org has the consolekit docs ...
[13:24] <ogra> and i think there is also a python example how to register a session in the git webtool somewhere
[13:26] <mantiena-baltix> aren't there any simpler way to get active Unlock button in network-admin
[13:26] <mantiena-baltix> ?
[13:27] <ogra> nope
[13:28] <mantiena-baltix> ogra, maybe  libpam-ck-connector package could help me ?
[13:29] <ogra> thast what i meant with "ogra wonders if the pam module would suffice here" above :)
[13:29] <ogra> no idea though, but i suspect it could help
[13:30] <seb128> ogra: that's an icon theme bug
[13:30] <cjwatson> startx doesn't deal with PAM, AFAIK
[13:30] <ogra> well, login does
[13:31] <ogra> you likely wont have x11-display set in the ck session though
[13:31] <cjwatson> I don't think inheriting from login is really the right answer here
[13:31] <ogra> seb128, gah, thats what i suspected
[13:31] <seb128> ogra: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/nautilus/trunk/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-names.h
[13:31] <seb128> ogra: directories use the folder icon now
[13:32] <ogra> seb128, ah, perfect, thanks !
[13:32] <seb128> ogra: you will likely have to symlink some other things too
[13:32] <ogra> well, wantd to look into gatoon's successor this week, it probably fixes some of that alread
[13:32] <ogra> y
[13:33] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, in reality I run startx directly from upstart script
[13:34] <cjwatson> mantiena-baltix: you could possibly cobble a command-line CK registration program together from /usr/lib/consolekit/ck-collect-session-info and dbus-send
[13:34] <mantiena-baltix> There are startx script in /etc/event.d which starts this command:
[13:34] <mantiena-baltix> exec /bin/su ubuntu /usr/bin/startx
[13:34] <cjwatson> but you will have to do some reading
[13:35] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, currently I don't have a time for this - I should have forking system after 30 min :(
[13:35] <cjwatson> I put the OpenSSH support together in about three or four days of off-and-on work, starting from knowing OpenSSH fairly well but knowing nothing about ConsoleKit
[13:35] <cjwatson> if you don't have time, use gutsy
[13:36] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, in this situation I can't use gutsy, because it works not so good on lots of notebooks
[13:37] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, I think best decision today will be to install gnome-system-tools from gutsy
[13:38] <mantiena-baltix> btw, maybe there are some setting in policy kit for allowing running all software in all situations (even when consolekit-session isn't started) ?
[13:39] <cjwatson> allow_inactive
[13:40] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, could you tell me how should I write this setting in /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf ?
[13:40] <cjwatson> I don't think it goes there
[13:40] <cjwatson> you'll have to change the actual policies
[13:40] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, how ?
[13:40] <cjwatson> you will have to do some reading
[13:41] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, where ?
[13:41] <cjwatson> oh come on
[13:41] <cjwatson> you're in a developer channel, use your initiative :)
[13:41] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, I know, but problem is time now :(
[13:41] <cjwatson> one might for instance start with policykit's file list
[13:42] <cjwatson> which includes a .policy file, which is in the same directory as lots of others
[13:42] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, you don't know where to include allow_inactive setting ?
[13:42] <cjwatson> I have given you all the help you need to find it quite quickly
[13:43] <mantiena-baltix> /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy ?
[13:43] <cjwatson> try reading some files there
[13:43] <cjwatson> it will be obvious
[13:44] <cjwatson> I do not want to give out canned answers to things that are easy to find, because the result of that is that everyone asks this channel for things that are easy to find for themselves
[13:44] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, I think I found - /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/system-tools-backends.policy , right ?
[13:44] <cjwatson> instead I want to teach people how to find things for themselves
[13:44] <cjwatson> mantiena-baltix: I'm not going to answer further questions of this form; please do the reading
[13:44] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, I'm very happy for teaching, thank you
[13:45] <mantiena-baltix> cjwatson, just one answer - should I restart dbus after modifying that file ?
[13:45] <cjwatson> I don't know offhand, and the way I'd find out would be to try it
[13:46] <mantiena-baltix> ;)
[13:55] <mantiena-baltix> btw, maybe someone can tell me which squashfs-tools version I should use for building hardy-based LiveCD ? Should I use 3.2r2-2build1 from Ubuntu Gutsy (Stable) or 3.3-1ubuntu2 from Hardy ?
[13:58] <ogra> cjwatson, hmm, no XDG_SESSION_COOKIE at all here ... (with -X and session listed in ck-list-sessions)
[14:00] <cjwatson> ogra: use ssh -vvv (and ideally run a server on a high port with /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd and connect to that)
[14:00] <cjwatson> may help
[14:00] <cjwatson> also check /var/log/auth.log
[14:01] <ivoks> umm... anyone from canonical server sysadmins here?
[14:01] <cjwatson> ivoks: #canonical-sysadmin
[14:01] <ivoks> thanks
[14:01] <ogra> hmm
[14:02] <ogra> -vvv is a bit tricky ...
[14:02]  * ogra goes to hack up ldm ...
[14:06] <sladen> lloydinho_: good heavens, where have you been
[14:06] <sladen> lloydinho_: I sent some answers to your initial Thesis draft, but I don't know if you got them
[14:06] <lloydinho_> hi sladen! Wow, it's been ages
[14:07] <sladen> lloydinho_: for a time aobut six months ago I was popping through Copenhagen on the train once a week
[14:08] <lloydinho_> yeh. I just checked. I got a brief note from you about 6 months back
[14:08] <lloydinho_> .. but in my hurry back then, I misread it, and thought you'd been through Copenhagen once
[14:09] <lloydinho_> not that you kept coming on back through this way.
[14:09] <lloydinho_> In any case, you're most welcome to drop by if you're in the neighbourhood some other time.
[14:10] <lloydinho_> We have plenty of spare beds as it is
[14:11] <lloydinho_> so feel free, sladen :-)
[14:13] <pitti> mvo: should apt really complain about not being able to auth a package if it installs it from the local apt cache?
[14:13] <pitti> mvo: if no, shall I file a bug about it? which info do you need?
[14:14] <mvo> pitti: your local apt cache is a apt-cacher install or a squit? or a file:/// uri?
[14:15] <pitti> mvo: I mean /var/cache/apt/archives (other than that I just have de.archive.u.c.)
[14:19] <mvo> pitti: hm, it shouldn't complain about auth failures anymore at all, it should just use the last known good configuration
[15:00] <sahin_w> slangasek: ping
[15:35] <cjwatson> lool: bug 127985 is only an issue for gutsy at this point, not hardy, right?
[15:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127985 in libgtk2-perl "gutsy/amd64: ftbfs / autopkgtest failure" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127985
[15:35] <cjwatson> (it's in the sponsorship queue)
[15:53] <mvo> pitti: is the retracer running again? it looks like I got nothing for bug #188425
[15:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188425 in update-manager "update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188425
[15:53] <hunger> Anyone working on a fix to the aptitude crashes?
[15:54] <pitti> mvo: yes, it's running
[15:54] <pitti> mvo: hm, that bug is missing a needs-retracing tag
[15:55] <pitti> mvo: I don't see anything in the log file about this bug
[15:55]  * pitti adds tag and watches
[15:58] <pitti> mvo: better now :)
[15:58] <mvo> pitti: cool, thanks
[15:58] <pitti> mvo: nicely verbose trace
[15:59] <mvo> indeed
[16:24] <JanC> new gparted release: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=115843&release_id=573862
[17:38] <Riddell> cjwatson: do you expect to get back to seed changes this week now that alpha 4 is out?
[17:39] <cjwatson> yeah
[17:40] <Riddell> groovy
[18:15] <mvo> pitti: if I set "needs-retracing" will the retracer pick that up automatically?#187944 seems to not have this tag either
[18:17] <pitti> mvo: 'need-i386-retrace' (or other arch)
[18:17] <pitti> mvo: weird; might be a bug in p-lp-bugs, or LP itself
[18:18] <mvo> pitti: thanks, I added it now
[18:46] <luisbg_> anybody fluent in C++ here?
[18:46] <luisbg_> I need some help
[18:49] <pipegeek> So.... the version of python-eyed3 in gutsy has this debugging stuff in it
[18:49] <pipegeek> ie,
[18:49] <pipegeek> #FIXME
[18:50] <pipegeek> print "POINT 1"
[18:50] <pipegeek> which means that using it results in "POINT 1" and "POINT 2" getting dumped out to stdout
[18:50] <pipegeek> Where should I report this, and is it at all likely that this will be fixed?
[18:52] <pipegeek> Ugh, and it was reported to debian's bugtracker two years ago, and hasn't been fixed
[18:52] <ScottK> pipegeek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eyed3/+filebug
[18:53] <pipegeek> ScottK: thanks.
[18:53] <pipegeek> What is the policy on things like this?  Do they get fixed in the current stable release, or do they end up waiting for the next one?
[18:54] <ScottK> pipegeek: Most things wait for the next one.  Here's the policy on stable release updates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:54] <pipegeek> Thank you.
[18:59] <pipegeek> Darnit.  The bug submission form intelligently guessed that I was talking about the package eyeD3 when I wasn't, and I didn't notice until after I clicked 'submit'.  Is there any way I can fix it?
[19:00] <pipegeek> That is, I know the binary package hint is wrong.
[19:00] <ScottK2> pipegeek: Yes.  You can edit the affected package
[19:00] <cjwatson> luisbg_: C++ is a big field; I think you will need to provide more detail
[19:01] <pipegeek> ScottK2: sorry, I'm a doofus
[19:02] <cjwatson> oh dear me, I knew you could declare methods in C++ structs (as opposed to classes), but have never actually seen it done in production code before
[19:02] <ScottK2> pipegeek: No problem.  I'm pulling up the bug.  I'll help you get it sorted.
[19:02] <pipegeek> Thanks a bunch :)
[19:02] <pipegeek> #189027
[19:03] <pipegeek> cjwatson: hehe
[19:03] <luisbg_> cjwatson, lol, yeah I have a bug I can't squish at work code
[19:03] <luisbg_> cjwatson, getting frustrated so I thought I could ask here for some pointers
[19:04] <luisbg_> cjwatson, the problem needs to dive in a little of code between files so #c++ guys probably won't help
[19:04] <luisbg_> just asking here for some friend help
[19:04] <luisbg_> ompaul, you there ;)
[19:04] <ScottK2> pipegeek: What's the problem with the bug?
[19:04] <ompaul> luisbg_, not in spirit only in body
[19:04] <luisbg_> ompaul, LOL
[19:05] <pipegeek> ScottK2: there's no longer a problem.
[19:05] <luisbg_> ompaul, fluent in c++? :P
[19:06] <ScottK2> pipegeek: OK.
[19:06] <ompaul> luisbg_, no :-(
[19:06] <luisbg_> ompaul, that's ok
[20:17] <maek> sorry to bother you guys with non dev but I cant seem to find anything. Is there a place to hook a script into the process of starting the network/networkmanger based on profile? I have all these crazy proxy settings I need to do for work and Id like to be able to run the script after I pick the work profile. thanks.
[20:28] <sahin_h> slangasek: ping
[20:28] <jdstrand> Keybuk: I am sure this is documented somewhere, but a cursory google search didn't find it
[20:29] <jdstrand> Keybuk: I use an external usb drive regularly
[20:29] <jdstrand> Keybuk: I plug it in and hald automounts it (cool)
[20:29] <jdstrand> Keybuk: recently it stopped, and I was like, hmm
[20:29] <jdstrand> Keybuk: then it occured to my I hadn't fsck'd it in ages
[20:29] <sahin_h> sladen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/134622
[20:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134622 in opensync "kitchensync - opensync synchronization crash" [Undecided,Invalid]
[20:30] <sladen> sahin_h: cya?
[20:31] <jdstrand> Keybuk: is there a way for hald to notify the user in this case? (it is clearly deciding not to mount it automatically, so maybe part of the decision could be a notification)
[20:31] <sahin_h> sladen: Sorry for my mistake! I sent this message to slangasek.
[20:32] <sladen> slangasek: ^^
[20:32] <jdstrand> Keybuk: s/part of the decision/part of the process/
[20:34] <jdstrand> Keybuk: I should explicitly say that after fsck'ing (with no errors), I was then able to plug it in and it automounted
[20:54] <slangasek> sahin_h: sorry, what are you asking me to do with this bug number?
[20:58] <sahin_h> slangasek: Riddel uploaded a new package to the gutsy proposed queue (or something)...
[20:58] <sahin_h> slangasek: ... and ask me to inform you about it.
[20:59] <sahin_h> slangasek: I'm just a user, so I don't know the exact processes.
[21:00] <sahin_h> slangasek: I rebuilt this package on my system, and works great. And I just told to Riddel it would be nice to produce....
[21:00] <sahin_h> slangasek: ... a working package to everyone.
[21:02] <cjwatson> the normal thing we ask testers to do with proposed stable updates is to install the package from gutsy-proposed (not rebuild it on their system - install the actual package) and follow up to the bug saying whether it fixed the problem for them
[21:02] <sahin_h> slangasek: The opensync-plugin-kdepim package provide syncronization capability between local korganizer calendar and google calendar.
[21:02] <cjwatson> without knowing what Riddell said to you exactly, talking to people on #ubuntu-devel about it isn't *normally* part of the process ...
[21:02] <sahin_h> slangasek: So this is a great package and I use a lot.
[21:02] <sahin_h> cjwatson: Ok, sorry.
[21:03] <cjwatson> Riddell: ^-- something unusual going on with this bug? :)
[21:31] <TheMuso> Good morning.
[22:05] <Riddell> slangasek, cjwatson: sahin_h was asking that it be checked for sanity and let into gutsy-proposed (it's currently in unapproved)
[22:07] <slangasek> Riddell: erm?  I thought gutsy-proposed was the unmoderated queue, only gutsy-updates requires processing via unapproved?
[22:07] <slangasek> I could be very wrong of course
[22:08] <Riddell> slangasek: gutsy-proposed still needs an archive admin to approve it, for main that's pitti only, for universe any admin, but I don't want to approve my own upload
[22:10] <slangasek> oh.  then I think I need a pointer to the guidelines I'm supposed to be applying here, for this to be anything more than a rubber stamp
[22:11] <slangasek> unless it really is a rubber stamp, in which case I don't see anything wrong with you applying the stamp yourself :-)
[22:20] <cosmodad> is there a reason why CONFIG_NO_HZ (tickless kernel/dynamic ticks) is enabled for Gutsy server kernel images, but not desktop ones?
[22:21] <cosmodad> sorry if this chan is not appropriate to ask this question, but I didn't know where else to ask.
[22:22] <ScottK> cosmodad: Perhaps #ubuntu-kernel
[22:23] <sistpoty> any main sponsor, who'd like to upload the debdiff at bug 188868 for me?
[22:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188868 in sdl-image1.2 "Missing dependency on libjpeg62" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188868
[22:23] <cosmodad> ScottK: hmm: "Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY" :(
[22:23] <ScottK> cosmodad: Same here.
[22:23] <ScottK> cosmodad: Mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss then.
[22:23] <sistpoty> (strange enough, I found out that I fiddled with this lib some time ago, when it was still in universe *g*)
[22:24] <cosmodad> ScottK: well I just figured it might only affect my box. At least, forum postings indicate so. But I'll further investigate, thanks for the hint.
[22:35] <seb128> StevenK: are you usually looking at bluez-utils?
[22:37] <StevenK> seb128: I can look at it
[22:38] <seb128> StevenK: could you look at the new version which is available? the new gnome-bluetooth has an updated requirement
[23:00] <cjwatson> Riddell: oh, I see, I misunderstood your comment on the bug then
[23:00] <cjwatson> sorry
[23:00] <cjwatson> slangasek: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates are the guidelines in question
[23:01] <slangasek> ah, ok
[23:20] <mathiaz> slangasek: what do you think about bug 186844 for hardy ?
[23:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186844 in openssl "Please include support for tls extensions" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186844
[23:46] <slangasek> mathiaz: there was discussion on debian-release about not being able to say with 100% certainty that it's not an ABI change; I would suggest coordinating the package change, and subsequent regression testing, with the Debian maintainer
[23:48] <mathiaz> slangasek: given our time frame for hardy, is there any chance it will get fixed in Debian in due time ?
[23:48] <mathiaz> slangasek: IIUC it should be done before FF.
[23:55] <slangasek> mathiaz: there is some chance; more if you coordinate with the Debian maintainer, I expect :)


[12:12] <Qbal1> tsmithe, i'm watching
[12:12] <tsmithe> Qbal1: lol you linked that name?
[12:12] <Qbal1> duh
[12:51] <sharms> can anyone take a look at my debdiff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xnc/+bug/45569
[12:53] <DktrKranz> sharms, you should use 5.0.4-2.1ubuntu1 instead of 5.0.4-2ubuntu1
[12:53] <sharms> ah it was that, but I changed it
[12:53] <sharms> I was using: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/17/ubuntu-package-version-naming-explanation/   as a guide
[12:55] <DktrKranz> you should also remove /tmp/X2g8TaQUiE/ and /tmp/esulBGkxNB/
[12:55] <DktrKranz> nobody uses patch -p4 :D
[12:55] <sharms> I was in my directory, ran a dpkg-buildpkg
[12:56] <sharms> then from that, I did a debdiff on the orig dsc and my dsc
[12:56] <sharms> then I cut out the irrelevant parts that were somehow changed like build options
[12:57] <DktrKranz> I was referring to lines beginning with that in your debdiff
[12:57] <DktrKranz> such as /tmp/X2g8TaQUiE/xnc-5.0.4/debian/changelog
[12:58] <sharms> yeah and I was stating how I did it so you can correct my process
[12:58] <DktrKranz> there should be some option to pass to debdiff
[12:59] <Lutin> you're juste missing patchutils
[01:00] <sharms> ok I installed patch utils, so what is the proper process?
[01:00] <sharms> Edit deb, create deb with dpkg-buildpackage, create a debdiff using "debdiff"
[01:01] <DktrKranz> good night, see you.
[01:01] <sharms> thanks for the input
[01:02] <Lutin> sharms: if what you want to do is a debdiff, there's no need to build the deb. debuild -S will be fine instead of dpkg-buildpackage
[01:02] <DktrKranz> you're welcome :)
[01:02] <Lutin> good night :)
[01:03] <DarkSun88> Good night all
[02:05] <dcsmith> Hey, can someone give me a hand, I'm trying to build my first package, and the locale in my chroot is causing problems
[02:05] <crimsun> first, is the appropriate/desired locale actually set?
[02:06] <dcsmith> when I try to set it i get statements about directories missing for certaine environment variables LC_ALL
[02:07] <crimsun> well, use locale-gen
[02:07] <crimsun> pass it a whitespace-delimited list of desired first-column locales from /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[02:08] <dcsmith> that looks like that did it
[02:09] <dcsmith> nope
[02:09] <dcsmith> it's not a locale issue after all
[02:09] <dcsmith> dbus is failing to configure
[02:10] <dcsmith> it's complaining about update-rc.d
[02:10] <dcsmith> the arguments look incorrect
[02:11] <crimsun> if you're building a source package, you should be using sbuild or pbuilder
[02:11] <crimsun> will you at least pastebin the error spew? Guessing isn't going to help.
[02:13] <dcsmith> crimsun: in order to get the dependencies I'm trying to just do a configure, make, make install in the chrooted enviroment? Is this right?
[02:14] <crimsun> if you mean the trial-and-error approach, well, I suppose that's one way.
[02:14] <crimsun> and I presume you mean build-dependencies
[02:15] <crimsun> it's much more efficient to simply read the output from the ./configure script [if the package is autotoolised]  to get the build-dependencies
[02:15] <crimsun> `./configure --help` is a good place to start
[02:16] <dcsmith> http://pastebin.ca/442051
[02:17] <dcsmith> so then why do I need the chroot at all, If I run the thing on my machine, can/should I just package it without the chrooted environment?
[02:18] <crimsun> however you wish to obtain the list of build-dependencies is your prerogative. I've never favoured the approach you take, but it's certainly valid.
[02:18] <crimsun> err, why are you executing that command?
[02:19] <crimsun> why not `dpkg --configure -a` ?
[02:19] <dcsmith> the dbus package was
[02:19] <dcsmith> with an apt-get install
[02:19] <crimsun> right, so does `apt-get -f [install] ` fail?
[02:20] <crimsun> "install" being optional
[02:21] <dcsmith> but do I even need a chrooted environment to build the package if I've already compiled it and am running it on my machine?
[02:21] <dcsmith> yes apt-get -f install dbus fails
[02:22] <crimsun> no, just `apt-get -f install` or `apt-get -f`
[02:22] <dcsmith> yes that fails, it tries to configure dbus and fails
[02:23] <crimsun> so, backing up, does `dpkg --configure -a` also fail?
[02:23] <dcsmith> yes
[02:23] <crimsun> pass -D3773 to dpkg
[02:24] <jmg> guys the rdiff-backup in edgy and feisty is bugged
[02:24] <crimsun> jmg: a bit late to do much about it now...
[02:25] <jmg> needs to be bumped to 1.1.7
[02:25] <crimsun> ...more verbosely?
[02:25] <jmg> at some point...
[02:25] <crimsun> does it fail spectacularly when initialising? does it corrupt the stream? etc.
[02:26] <jmg><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:26] <superm1> crimsun, if feisty release does get pushed back due to the kernel regressions, is there a chance in the freeze(s) on universe and such being reverted to reflect the new release date?
[02:26] <crimsun> jmg: ok, so it's a one-liner?
[02:27] <crimsun> superm1: being /reverted/ ? No chance in hade.s
[02:27] <jmg> crimsun: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/rdiff-backup/rdiff-backup_1.1.9-2/changelog
[02:28] <crimsun> superm1: it does generally imply we may be a bit more harried/hurried in getting additional fixes in
[02:28] <jmg> crimsun:      - fixes problem with device files handling as user (Closes: #395096).
[02:28] <jmg> crimsun:     - fixes problems with storing to smbfs/cifs (Closes: #386983, #404947).
[02:28] <dcsmith> I get no output from the -D3773
[02:28] <crimsun> dcsmith: dpkg -D3773 --configure -a gives you /none/ ?
[02:28] <dcsmith> but I mean all of this is possibly irrelevant anyway
[02:28] <jmg> crimsun: barf on store to smb/cifsmount
[02:28] <crimsun> dcsmith: yes, quite - you should create a feisty pbuilder and use it
[02:29] <dcsmith> crimsun: okay I assume that's in the wiki?
[02:30] <crimsun> jmg: so we can backport that, sure
[02:30] <crimsun> jmg: would you like to generate a debdiff?
[02:30] <jmg> crimsun: okay
[02:30] <crimsun> dcsmith: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[02:31] <jmg> jmg: whats the procedure?
[02:31] <jmg> crimsun: whats the procedure/
[02:31] <dcsmith> crimsun: Thanks for the help, I appreciate it
[02:32] <crimsun> jmg: backport the patch [http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/rdiff-backup-commits/2006-01/msg00011.html ]  to the current feisty source package; regenerate the source package; generate a debdiff
[02:32] <crimsun> `apt-get source rdiff-backup` for starters
[02:32] <crimsun> oh, hmm, it's in main?
[02:33] <jmg> yeah
[02:33] <crimsun> ack, that's even more inconvenient.
[02:33] <crimsun> I'd go ahead and forget about trying it for feisty. Aim for feisty-updates.
[02:33] <jmg> crimsun: its an old bug
[02:33] <crimsun> jmg: the procedure is outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:34] <jmg> crimsun: thanks
[02:35] <jmg> crimsun: in the meantime i enabled nfs on openfiler
[02:35] <jmg> :)
[03:02] <damko> does anyone know how to write a message in the gnome "bubbles" / "pop-up"  (the same that u can see when u unplug the AC for ex.)
[03:05] <damko> have to go. bye!!
[03:47] <jmg> nice levels... is -20 or +20 idle?
[03:48] <RAOF> +20
[03:48] <RAOF> Because it's *very* nice.  Wheras -20 is very not nice :)
[03:48] <jmg> RAOF: thx
[03:55] <jmg> funny
[03:55] <jmg> when renicing rdiff-backup
[03:55] <jmg> one must renice sshd as well
[03:56] <jmg> as the two are inexorably linked
[03:56] <RAOF> Neither of those are likely to be horribly processor intensive, surely?
[03:56] <jmg> load average: 3.31, 2.90, 2.20
[03:57] <jmg> they are processor intensive when they have work to do
[03:57] <jmg> eg, diffing 60gb of data
[03:57] <jmg> (p3-800)
[03:58] <RAOF> Ah, OK.  Still, they're probably more I/O than CPU bound, and nice doesn't touch I/O sheduling (although I *think* there's an ?experimental? I/O version of nice)
[03:59] <jmg> orly
[03:59] <jmg> much more I/O than cpu bound
[03:59] <RAOF> ya, rly.
[03:59] <jmg> but linux load average counts processes waiting for io
[04:17] <RAOF> Yay!  Down to a single page of Banshee bugs.
[04:19] <jdong> RAOF: ionice
[04:19] <jdong> RAOF: not experiemntal; but new on the blocks... works if your'e using the default CFQ io scheduler
[04:19] <jdong> s/blocks/block; no pun intended
[04:19] <jdong> AFAIK Feisty's kernel will inherit some IO niceness from cpu nice
[04:20] <RAOF> Awesome.  Cool.
[04:20] <jdong> it's awsome indeed. A bit of smart ionicing can do wonders to responsiveness
[04:21] <jmg> RAOF: banshee looks cool
[04:46] <ScottK> ajmitch or crimsun (or anyone else): We just got a patch into klamav and I think we may have fixed it a little TOO well.  The update to a new version of clamav direct from upstream (compiles it on your local machine) now works.  Is that a good/bad thing?  Do we need to break it somehow?
[04:47] <ajmitch> explain further
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yes!  more broken packages is even better!
[04:47] <ajmitch> you mean it overwrites the packaged clamav?
[04:47] <ScottK> Yes
[04:47] <ajmitch> how rude
[04:47] <ScottK> It looks like it works, however.
[04:47] <ajmitch> it may make future upgrades a little more annoying, and generally mess up things
[04:48] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:48] <ScottK> OTOH, when user X complains about the clamav freshclam warnings we can point them at klamav with suitable it's not supported warnings.
[04:49] <ScottK> Before the latest patch, klamav would sigsegv when you checked for an update.
[04:49] <ScottK> No it works GREAT.
[04:49] <ajmitch> heh
[04:49] <ScottK> No/now
[04:49] <jmg> compare with similar processes in winduhz
[04:50] <jmg> virus scanners regularly swaps out application components in updates
[04:50] <ScottK> The interesting thing is that it compiles right there on the machine.
[04:50] <jmg> as long as it doesnt add files that wont be managed by dpkg whats the issue?
[04:50] <RAOF> I suppose that just disabling the update mechanism is pretty useless, for a virus scanner.
[04:51] <ScottK> I'd built my clamav test packages on that same box, so I had all the build-depends installed already.
[04:51] <ScottK> Dunno how easy it would be for joe average user to hunt all those up.
[04:51] <jmg> OTOH, depending on build-essential and liblkdjfalkjdrlkja needlessly bloats the installing system
[04:51] <jmg> right
[04:52] <ScottK> Well, except if it's a function of the package to build software, it ought to be able to do that...
[04:52] <jmg> perhaps the security archive can carry the clamav components and latest definitions?
[04:52] <ScottK> jmg: clamav is in universe, all it takes is more volunteer labor.
[04:52] <jdong> jmg: nobody is interested in assuming responsibility for clamav in main, that's the last I heard
[04:52] <jmg> ok
[04:52] <jmg> hey wait a minute
[04:52] <jdong> jmg: but one's welcome to keep it patched up in universe
[04:52] <jmg> we're on linux.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> keescook: effectively does
[04:52] <ScottK> The definitions come through freshclam just fine.  It's the new versions that're the issue.
[04:53] <ScottK> Hobbsee is correct.
[04:53] <jmg> riddle me a point for even running clamav
[04:53] <jdong> keescook: has been wonderful in clamav patching
[04:53] <jdong> jmg: file/mailserver for Windows machines
[04:53] <ajmitch> jmg: storing windows files on the box
[04:53] <ajmitch> & mail
[04:53] <ScottK> jmg: I run MS Office throug WINE.
[04:53] <jdong> lol
[04:53] <jmg> pfft
[04:53] <jdong> did not expect to hear that one :D
[04:53] <RAOF> Is wine now good enough to run windows viruses? :P
[04:53] <jdong> RAOF: no, it gets partway on some
[04:53] <ScottK> All my customers use Office, so I've go no choice.
[04:53] <jmg> ScottK: is that because openoffice sucks?
[04:53] <ScottK> RAOF: Dunno.
[04:54] <jmg> ScottK: so what happens when you run a windows virus under wine? does clamav even trap it?
[04:54] <jmg> or do you need to run Symantec under wine as well?
[04:54] <ScottK> jmg: Because the Office data formats are proprietary and the ooo reverse engineering of them is not perfect.
[04:54] <ScottK> jmg: Dunno.  I haven't tried and I don't plan to experiment with it.
[04:55] <ScottK> I don't actually use clamav on the desktop, I just run it on mailservers.
[04:55] <ScottK> That was meant as an example.
[04:55] <jmg> Ok. I can see the rationale for clamav on file/mailservers.
[04:55] <jmg> But doesnt that make it -server's problem?
[04:55] <ScottK> jmg: -server is a kernel.  It's all one distro.
[04:56] <ScottK> I also have it on a laptop because I've had to take it into facilities that require ALL computers to run AV software.
[04:56] <jmg> kernel and metapackages
[04:56] <ScottK> yeah.
[04:56] <jmg> well it seems like you're fracked both ways
[04:56] <ScottK> So, anyway ajmitch...  I've now warned people.  I dunno what the right answer is.
[04:57] <dcsmith> so I'm trying to build my first package, and I've built a source package, but when I try to install it, it fails, because it needs root to install into the directory
[04:57] <jmg> er
[04:58] <ScottK> dcsmith: Did you build the binary package?
[04:58] <ScottK> That's what gets installed.
[04:58] <jmg> you need root to install any package
[04:58] <dcsmith> ScottK: The problem occurs when trying to build the binary package
[04:59] <Hobbsee> dcsmith: use fakeroot?
[04:59] <ScottK> dcsmith: jmg is right.  You need root to install anything.
[04:59] <dcsmith> ok
[04:59] <dcsmith> so let me walk through this
[04:59] <TheMuso> !packagingguide | dcsmith
[04:59] <ubotu> dcsmith: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[04:59] <ScottK> As Hobbsee says you can use fakeroot to get sort of root for building.
[04:59] <jmg> hey, what do you guys think would be the popularity of a ubuntu-media-center package
[04:59] <dcsmith> Right, I'm doing that right now
[05:00] <jmg> installs freevo, mplayer, codecs, lirc et al
[05:00] <ScottK> To actually install the deb, you need to sudo dpkg -i <packagname-version.deb>
[05:00] <dcsmith> so I do a dpkg-buildpkg with fakeroot
[05:00] <jmg> as a metapackage
[05:00] <dcsmith> then I try to use pbuilder with sudo
[05:01] <jmg> dcsmith: check permissions. chown the source tree to yourself
[05:01] <dcsmith> and I get a permission denied installing some libraries
[05:01] <jmg> doesnt pbuilder drop privilege?
[05:02] <dcsmith> the src directory is owned by me
[05:05] <dcsmith> http://pastebin.ca/442245
[05:07] <dcsmith> jmg: have you looked on the pastebin?
[05:08] <dcsmith> scottK: have you looked at the pastebin?
[05:10] <dcsmith> hello?
[05:10] <ScottK> Unfortunately I'm just on my way to bed.  Hopefully someone else will be able to help you.
[05:10] <RAOF> I've looked at the pastebin, and I'm not sure about some of the things that it's doing.
[05:11] <ScottK> dcsmith_: Do know that everyone here is a volunteer.  No one is paid to be here.
[05:11] <dcsmith_> I understand
[05:11] <jmg> I think he knows that :)
[05:11] <RAOF> dcsmith_: *Particularly*, why is it going "rm -rf debian/tmp" and then trying to install stuff from debian/tmp?
[05:11] <dcsmith_> and I
[05:11] <dcsmith_> 'm a volunteer
[05:11] <dcsmith_> and I followed the packaging guide to the best of my ability
[05:12] <jmg> dcsmith_: try -mentors (is that still going?)
[05:12] <dcsmith_> the rm -rf debian temp is from the packaging guide
[05:12] <dcsmith_> I copied the pkging guide for the hello pkg
[05:12] <ScottK> dcsmith_: You need to remove it from the temp dir after you install it.
[05:12] <jmg> dcsmith_: url to the guide you used?
[05:12] <ScottK> Good night everyone.
[05:12] <dcsmith_> as they're both configure/make/make install based I figured it didn't matter
[05:12] <RAOF> Ooooh, it tooks like the "make install" is trying to install to install systemwide, where as it should be going to debian/tmp?
[05:13] <jmg> ah
[05:13] <jmg> --prefix
[05:13] <dcsmith_> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[05:13] <RAOF> Or $DESTDIR, one of the two :)
[05:13] <dcsmith_> wow
[05:13] <TheMuso> $DESTDIR is generally better.
[05:13] <dcsmith_> ok I get it
[05:13] <dcsmith_> i get the problem at least
[05:14] <dcsmith_> how do i destdir enable a configure make make install based src file
[05:14] <dcsmith_> shouldn't that already be there
[05:14] <ajmitch> packaging guide should have at least 1 example
[05:15] <dcsmith_> ok
[05:15] <dcsmith_> same url I provided?
[05:15] <jmg> ajmitch: it doesnt
[05:16] <jmg> plenty of install -d
[05:16] <jmg> and cp
[05:16] <ajmitch> $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp
[05:16] <ajmitch> the template created by dh_make has it also
[05:16] <ScottK> ajmitch: I upgraded to the current packaged clamav from the one that klamav pulled from upstream and it appears to have gone without error, so I think we are likely OK (or at least not in horrible trouble).
[05:17] <dcsmith_> ajmitch: do I put that in the control?
[05:17] <jmg> rules
[05:17] <ajmitch> probably because the "packaging from scratch" page isn't the best place to start at all
[05:17] <jmg> indeed
[05:17] <dcsmith_> ok where is?
[05:18] <jmg> dcsmith_: i imagine ajmitch is finding you a good place to start
[05:19] <dcsmith_> sorry for being a little pushy
[05:19] <dcsmith_> thanks guys for all your efforts
[05:19] <ajmitch> or ajmitch is busy at work
[05:19] <jmg> oh
[05:19] <dcsmith_> heh
[07:34] <snoops> Hi there, umm I've heard about the new importing system in feisty which imports im settings, desktop favourites etc while it installs.. I would love to add some features to it (but look at the code first)..Can someone give me some guidance on finding the code for it?
[07:40] <crimsun> snoops: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~evand/migration-assistant/trunk
[07:44] <evand> snoops: if you have any questions, just ask in here and I'll respond when I can (usually within a few hours)
[07:52] <snoops> thanks evand, I appreciate that
[07:56] <evand> snoops: no problem
[07:56] <evand> snoops: whoops, I thought we were in #ubuntu-installer.  Ask questions in there as it's much lower traffic than -motu.
[07:59] <snoops> ah, cool
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[09:13] <dcsmith> Okay so I think I've built my first package
[09:14] <dcsmith> Is there a way I can get people to review it without officially submitting it?
[09:14] <RAOF> !revu
[09:14] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[09:14] <RAOF> REVU rocks.
[09:14] <dcsmith> Thanks
[09:14] <RAOF> dcsmith: You'll need to have your key added to the revu keychain, though.  Instructions on that page.
[09:33] <crimsun> dcsmith: when you've added it, ping me, and I'll sync the keyring.
[09:33] <raphink> siretart: ping
[09:33] <damko> good morning to all
[09:34] <raphink> good morning damko
[09:34] <raphink> & hi crimsun
[09:34] <crimsun> hallo raphink
[09:34] <raphink> crimsun: are you talking about REVU ?
[09:34] <raphink> (by any chance)
[09:35] <crimsun> dcsmith: yep, just waiting on his confirmation that he has done the prelim steps so the keyring sync can be executed
[09:35] <RAOF> good morning damko.  In answer to your question, the libnotify-bin package contains the binary that you can use to make popup bubbles.
[09:35] <crimsun> raphink: ^
[09:35] <raphink> crimsun: did you notice that REVU has been broken for 5 days?
[09:35] <raphink> packages get in, they get in /var/revu
[09:35] <raphink> but they don't appear on the web interface
[09:35] <crimsun> raphink: erck, no
[09:35] <raphink> I've been trying to ping siretart about that
[09:35] <raphink> look on the interface, there's no package listed after the 10th of April
[09:36] <raphink> although there are in /var/revu
[09:36] <RAOF> raphink: I added a Banshee package yesterday, and it uploaded and appears?
[09:36] <raphink> ah right RAOF
[09:36] <raphink> hmmm
[09:36] <RAOF> Although I suppose that got added to an existing pacakage.
[09:36] <raphink> well some packages don't show then
[09:36] <RAOF> Maybe *new* pacakges don't show?
[09:36] <raphink> no packages got added on the 11th and 12th
[09:37] <raphink> RAOF: maybe
[09:37] <raphink> for example
[09:37] <raphink> tclodbc got uploaded twice in the last 4 days
[09:37] <dcsmith> crimsun: okay I joined the group
[09:38] <raphink> and doesn't appear
[09:38] <raphink> so I guess new packages don't make it in anymore
[09:38] <raphink> dcsmith: welcome ;)
[09:38] <crimsun> ** keyring sync running
[09:38] <dcsmith> raphink: Thanks!
[09:41] <ajmitch> raphink: packages after april 10 do show
[09:41] <raphink> yes ajmitch that's right
[09:42] <raphink> ajmitch: any example of *new*packages showing after that date?
[09:42] <ajmitch> ^
[09:42] <raphink> ajmitch: several new packages added after the 10th of April (or even before maybe) don't show
[09:42] <ajmitch> miniracer
[09:42] <raphink> ok
[09:42] <ajmitch> for tclodbc:  File "/srv/revu1-production/scripts/register_upload.py", line 51, in parse
[09:42] <raphink> then there's still to figure out what's special about these missing packages
[09:42] <ajmitch>     raise 'Did not find maintainer email :('
[09:42] <raphink> ah
[09:42] <raphink> where did you see that?
[09:42] <ajmitch> any other packages you know of?
[09:43] <raphink> ardour2
[09:43] <damko> RAOF: thanks a lot for your help. very appreciated :-D
[09:44] <raphink> ajmitch: do you keep all the emails, or are there logs on tiber?
[09:44] <raphink> or mayb in auth.log ?
[09:44] <raphink> ok
[09:44] <raphink> ;)
[09:44] <raphink> then I'm guilty of removing the emails ;)
[09:44] <Nafallo> remove emails?
[09:45] <Nafallo> harddrives are cheap :-)
[09:45] <raphink> huhu
[09:45] <raphink> :p
[09:45] <RAOF> *Google's* harddrivers are cheaper :)
[09:45] <ajmitch> raphink: yeah, you're in the admin group, you should get them :)
[09:45] <raphink> I do get them ajmitch
[09:45] <raphink> ;)
[09:45] <raphink> but I remove them regularly (my fault)
[09:46] <damko> ajmitch: wowowowo :-)
[09:46] <ajmitch> ah no, only 12GB :)
[09:46] <crimsun> RAOF: banshee available, marked "fix released".
[09:46] <TheMuso> raphink: ardour2 was archived
[09:46] <ajmitch> -rw-------   1 ajmitch ajmitch  1.8G 2007-04-16 19:41 launchpad
[09:46] <damko> ajmitch: ah .... this changes everything .... only 12
[09:46] <ajmitch> the result of subscribing to ubuntu-bugs
[09:46] <RAOF> crimsun: Wooo!
[09:46] <TheMuso> As we aren't taking that route for that any more.
[09:47] <crimsun> ** keyring sync completed
[10:08] <dcsmith> crimsun: Thanks, found a problem w/the pkg, so I wanna fix that before I upload
[10:24] <highvoltage> what's that filename where I can specify my name, email address etc where dch gets the information from?
[10:25] <dholbach> highvoltage:
[10:25] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ grep DEB .bashrc
[10:25] <dholbach> export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach'
[10:25] <dholbach> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:25] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[10:25] <ajmitch> probably ~/.devscripts.conf
[10:26] <ajmitch> sorry ~/.devscripts
[10:26] <highvoltage> dholbach: ah, thanks!
[10:26] <highvoltage> ajmitch: cool
[10:26] <dholbach> np
[10:26] <ajmitch> for other useful tools like emacs :)
[10:26] <highvoltage> hmmm.. .devscripts doesn't exist, is there a tool that creates it? (I vaguely remember something like that)
[10:26] <ajmitch> nope
[10:57] <CrippledCanary> What's the status on revu today? I just uploaded a package but it doesn't show up.
[10:57] <\sh> moins
[10:57] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[10:58] <ajmitch> CrippledCanary: depends if you're in the keyring
[10:58] <ajmitch> and if you uploaded a source-only package
[10:58] <ajmitch> & that it was to revu, not upload.ubuntu.com
[10:59] <CrippledCanary> I was in the keyring previously, it was a source package, perhaps the dput config has been changed.
[10:59] <CrippledCanary> Ok...
[10:59] <CrippledCanary> The default has changed from revu to upload.ubuntu. I missed that one.
[11:00] <CrippledCanary> What is the current routine for uploading?
[11:00] <ajmitch> dput revu file_version_source.changes
[11:01] <CrippledCanary> dput I knew about... isnt revu used any more?
[11:01] <CrippledCanary> at all
[11:02] <ajmitch> yes it is
[11:02] <ajmitch> I wrote revu there
[11:02] <CrippledCanary> Ohh,.,,,
[11:02] <CrippledCanary> missed it.
[11:02] <CrippledCanary> thanks.
[11:04] <highvoltage> what's the difference between usint debsign and doing a gpg --clearsign file.dsc?
[11:04] <highvoltage> somehow gpg --clearsign works fine, but debsign doesn't, it says that the secret key isn't available.
[11:05] <highvoltage> gpg --clearsign works though
[11:05] <ajmitch> debsign probably uses what's in DEBEMAIL
[11:06] <ajmitch> or not, looks like it should parse the .changes file for the email address to match
[11:08] <highvoltage> I think it gets it from the changelog
[11:12] <jekil> hello
[11:13] <damko> jekil: hi
[11:22] <sacater> imbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater
[11:23] <sacater> imbrandon: how does that look for tommorow
[11:31] <crimsun> sacater: be aware that the CC may look for more substantial demonstrated involvement, but if you have hearty advocates, it may not be a problem.
[11:31] <crimsun> sacater: my suggestion is that you expand your "future plans" section. While noble, it doesn't address Ubuntu users foremost.
[11:32] <crimsun> (not that one must neglect the F/LOSS community at large for the sake of Ubuntu)
[11:36] <sacater> F/LOSS?
[11:38] <sacater> crimsun:
[11:39] <shawarma> Free/Libre and Open Source Software
[11:39] <Monk-e> So, is Feisty going to be released withoutn an RC?
[11:58] <sacater> crimsun: i added more https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sacater
[12:41] <CrippledCanary> Could someone have a quick look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4822 please.
[12:46] <sacater> of course
[12:46] <sacater> scribe log
[12:46] <sacater> CrippledCanary: what about it?
[12:53] <CrippledCanary> sacater: Is it ok, have I missed something, policy wise or else
[12:55] <TheMuso> Ok, buy guys. About to pull down my computer setup, so its ready for the move tomorrow.
[12:55] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[12:55] <TheMuso> Will be back online as soon as the ADSL gods give the green light on the new line
[12:55] <StevenK> TheMuso: What, after the Feisty release? :-P
[12:55] <TheMuso> StevenK: Unfortunately, yes.
[12:56] <StevenK> Hmph. I was joking.
[12:56] <TheMuso> Hey I know that.
[12:56] <StevenK> TheMuso: It's more Telstra I'm glaring at. :-)
[12:56] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh
[01:39] <sacater> is there a developer of the week thing?
[01:44] <crimsun> sacater: sort of. There're behindubuntu and behindmotu.
[01:45] <sacater> crimsun: where are they?
[01:46] <sacater> s'ok
[01:46] <sacater> ound
[01:46] <sacater> found*
[02:00] <ScottK> Although at least last time behind MOTU was more of a "the guy that was on IRC when Laserjock asked" than developer of the week.
[02:02] <imbrandon> ScottK, heh
[02:06] <sacater> imbrandon, did you look at my wiki
[02:07] <imbrandon> sacater, not yet, but crimsun gave you some good advice
[02:07] <sacater> i took the advice and worked to it :P
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:57] <ScottK> Heya
[02:57] <geser> Hi bddebian
[02:57] <bddebian> Hi ScottK, geser
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:02] <siretart> raphink: pong - sorry, I'm on a buisness trip, so I can't look at it seriously until wednesday :(
[03:02] <siretart> raphink: if you catch sistpoty, try to ping him, maybe he can help as well
[03:36] <ScottK> I have decided to try and become an Ubuntu member.  If there are MOTUs (or anyone else) that are available and willing to support me in this, the CC meeting is April 17 2007, 20:00 UTC.  My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottKitterman.  Comments if you have them please.
[03:37] <bddebian> w00t ScottK
[03:41] <StevenK> ScottK: I'd love to, but 2000UTC == 0600 AEST
[03:42] <ScottK> StevenK: Thanks.  I understand.
[03:42] <crimsun> ScottK: send me an email (crimsunkg at yahoo) so that it's added to my cal
[03:42] <crimsun> I'll try to poke my head in
[03:42] <StevenK> ScottK: All TechBoard meetings are 2000UTC. It makes attending them not fun.
[03:44] <ScottK> crimsun: Sent.  Thanks.
[04:02] <\sh> imbrandon: did you test the 0.9.35 packages of wine?
[04:12] <imbrandon> \sh, yes, some, so far so good, no regressions that i can tell
[04:20] <ScottK> doko: would you be avaialble to look at a potentially troublesome Python bug? Bug #106939
[04:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 106939 in Ubuntu "Python update fails because it appears to require itself" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106939
[04:24] <doko> ScottK: you need to find out why update-desktop-database core dumps (called from the python2.5 postinst)
[04:25] <ScottK> doko: Thanks.  Any hints on how to do that?  I've had remarkably little success myself with debugging postinst problems.
[04:26] <doko> ScottK: ask the bug submitter to run sudo update-desktop-database, and hopefully you'll get a stack trace / apport report.
[04:27] <ScottK> doko: Thanks.
[04:57] <\sh> imbrandon: cool :) thx :)
[06:29] <jdong> crimsun: does our VLC build against system or internal ffmpeg?
[06:50] <Lathiat> heh qdb.us
 I've come to the conclusion that my spare computer sucks ass.
 I tried to install Xubuntu on it, and it gave me an OOM error.
[07:00] <ScottK> Lathiat: How much RAM?
[07:00] <Lathiat> heh no idea
[07:00] <Lathiat> as i said, qdb.us :)
[07:01] <ScottK> Ahh.
[07:01] <jdong> ScottK: not enough ;-)
[07:01] <ScottK> That or some other problem.
[07:27] <LaserJock> dholbach: quick question about MOTU Mentors. Have you filed a request for a mailing list?
[07:27] <dholbach> LaserJock: no
[07:27] <dholbach> i thought there'd be more discussion about the topic
[07:27] <LaserJock> well, everybody I talked to thought it was a great idea
[07:28] <LaserJock> both MOTUs and MOTU Hopefuls
[07:28] <LaserJock> a couple did send emails with a "+1"
[07:28] <ScottK> LaserJock: I'm planning on trying to become an Ubuntu member tomorrow at the CC Meeting.  Any chance you would show up and speak on my behalf? (2000 UTC)?
[07:28] <LaserJock> I might be able to
[07:29] <dholbach> LaserJock: can you drop a mail to MC about that? somebody should take care of filing an RT request and making sure it gets done
[07:29] <LaserJock> my schedule has been kinda crazy but I'll certainly try
[07:29] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok, I'll send it
[07:29] <dholbach> super thanks
[07:29] <ScottK> Understand having a crazy schedule.
[07:37] <marcin_ant_> hi all is there someone that could talk with me about dbconfig-common?
[07:45] <imbrandon> wow 32+ dead at VA school, man o man, this aint gonna be good
[07:46] <imbrandon> crimsun, semi close to home for you ( eastern USA )
[07:47] <marcin_ant_> stupid country with more guns than people
[07:49] <jdong> ouch, virginia tech....
[07:50] <jdong> ironic that it'd happen on patriot's day :-/
[07:52] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, glare at all gun manufacturers and at law in usa that allows to have weapon at home
[07:52] <marcin_ant_> anyway any dbconfig-common maintainer/user/developer here?
[07:53] <ScottK> marcin_ant_: This really isn't the time or place for that sort of comment.
[07:53] <imbrandon> marcin_ant_, me being one of those people , a voteing person that stand firmly behind those laws and our consitution, tread lightly where your about to go because this is not the place, nor am i the one
[07:57] <imbrandon> marcin_ant_, also all universe packages are maintained in a group effort, so just simply stating a package name will do you little good in getting help /most/ of the time, its better to state specific question then myself or someone familiar with the situation might be able to help
[07:58] <imbrandon> or atleaste point you in the right direction
[07:59] <marcin_ant_> ScottK, tell the same to imbrandon - this is also not a place to talk about this at all, eot from me
[08:00] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, sure but in dbconfig-common is mentioned that maintainer is motu
[08:00] <ScottK> marcin_ant_: That's true for all Universe packages that have Ubuntu specific changes.  He's giving you good advice.
[08:00] <imbrandon> and MOTU is a group of 50+ people, as i said a group effort
[08:00] <Lin> hi all.
[08:00] <ScottK> Hello
[08:01] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, and I got a problem with this tool (and propably not only me while a lot of packages that depends on dbconfig-common doesn't work properly on my machine)
[08:01] <Lin> who/how is created /var/run/network/ifstate?
[08:01] <geser> Lin: ifup/ifdown
[08:02] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, so I though that maybe there will be more people that could talk about bugs and eventually solutions for dbconfig
[08:02] <Lin> hm.... something weird happened on my instalation. ifup didn't started my loopback. :-/
[08:03] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, anyway this channel is somewhat quiet nowadays so no problem I will try to find some help elsewhere
[08:03] <imbrandon> marcin_ant_, well if its just about "bugs" #ubuntu-bugs would be far more helpfull, also "dosent work" is hard to decern what is wrong without more info, this channel is more for the packageing of software
[08:04] <imbrandon> also launchpad.net is a good place to start / search if there are others
[08:04] <imbrandon> with the same issue
[08:06] <marcin_ant_> imbrandon, ok I will shortly define what doesn't work - dbconfig-common simply doesn't create new database, so I need to create empty database and then install package...
[08:14] <Lin> geser: is it created when you install the package or while running the command it self?
[08:16] <geser> as /var/run is on tmpfs it's recreated after boot
[08:20] <sacater> hey guys... latest linux kernel is 20+ and we are using 15, is there a way for me to get that kernel... compile from source i expect... but would everything still work, eg be compatable
[08:21] <geser> sacater: I've here 2.6.20-15-lowlatency
[08:21] <geser> 15 is the Ubuntu API version
[08:22] <imbrandon> we have .20+ sacater , -15 is *our* version
[08:22] <imbrandon> err better revision
[08:22] <sacater> [sacater@neo ~] $ uname -r
[08:22] <sacater> 2.6.20-15-generic
[08:22] <sacater> [sacater@neo ~] $
[08:22] <sacater> i would like 20+...
[08:22] <sacater> if i can get it...
[08:22] <imbrandon> exactly, 2.6.20 :) -15 is the revision from us
[08:22] <imbrandon> there is no -20 that exists
[08:23] <sacater> what... not anywhere?
[08:23] <imbrandon> no not anywhere
[08:23] <sacater> imbrandon: you still coming to meeting tommorow?
[08:23] <DktrKranz> sacater, as of today you can get 2.60.21-rc7 from kernel.org
[08:23] <imbrandon> sacater, yea i will try
[08:23] <sacater> DktrKranz: aha thanks
[08:23] <sacater> imbrandon: cool, thanks
[08:23] <sacater> LaserJock: can you do the meeting tommorow?
[08:24] <DktrKranz> what time will it be?
[08:24] <sacater> 20:00 UTC
[08:25] <sacater> imbrandon: i couldnt find behindmotu in a google search :(
[08:26] <LaserJock> sacater: I can try
[08:26] <sacater> LaserJock: great, thanks
[08:28] <DktrKranz> there are still some [could-not-install]  bugs open
[08:28] <DktrKranz> did anyone work on them in the past?
[08:30] <sacater> DktrKranz: kernel.org aint existing
[08:30] <DktrKranz> if not, I can work on some of them in the next days
[08:31] <DktrKranz> sacater, they had some troubles recently
[08:32] <sacater> DktrKranz: so some people are going without kernels :P
[08:32] <DktrKranz> you can use a mirror
[08:34] <DktrKranz> www.[countrycode] .kernel.org
[08:34] <DktrKranz> e.g. www.it.kernel.org
[08:38] <Lin> geser: even weirdier.. my /var/run lacks of network directory. did you know where the problem should be?
[08:40] <geser> check if /etc/init.d/loopback is still linked in /etc/rcS.d/
[08:41] <Lin> which package configure /var/run as a tmpfs?  cause mine isn't in a tmpfs
[08:41] <geser> /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh
[08:43] <Lin> loopback has a link at rcS.d called S08loopback. Its all right.
[08:44] <geser> here too
[08:45] <Lin> geser: mount kernfs.sh too as S01
[08:45] <Lin> I will reboot to check at console.
[08:47] <Lin> hmm its complaing about /var/run and /var/tmp do not exist :-/
[08:48] <crimsun> imbrandon: my mum's alma mater
[08:50] <sacater> DktrKranz: well, i will try and get that kernel running...
[08:51] <sacater> DktrKranz: when i go to download it.... its called a 'patch-#-#-#-.bz2
[08:51] <sacater> DktrKranz: is that right
[08:52] <DktrKranz> it's right, given the fact you have a full 2.6.20 kernel
[08:52] <LaserJock> ok people, does http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/ look very Ubuntuish?
[08:52] <DktrKranz> but you can download it easily
[08:53] <LaserJock> seems a bit to orangy to me :/
[08:53] <sacater> LaserJock: yeh mate, dim down the orange
[08:54] <LaserJock> how about now?
[08:54] <jdong> now it's brown :-/
[08:54] <jdong> not that... I have anything against browns
[08:54] <jdong> I vote democrat.
[08:54] <LaserJock> brown's good, right?
[08:54] <LaserJock> it's Ubuntu
[08:54] <sacater> yeh sure
[08:55] <jdong> orange looks livelier though
[08:55] <sacater> DktrKranz: im downloading the full kernel source
[08:55] <imbrandon> wow looks like a drupal theme :)
[08:55] <LaserJock> yep
[08:55] <LaserJock> it is actually
[08:55] <LaserJock> they made a wordpress theme from garland
[08:55] <imbrandon> nice
[08:55] <LaserJock> which is what I'm using on my site
[08:55] <imbrandon> fooooood brb
[08:56] <imbrandon> yea i have that theme on ubutnuwire.com ( but its actualy drupal )
[08:56] <imbrandon> :)
[08:56] <DktrKranz> if you have a ubuntu.com-like theme in handy, it could be great :)
[08:57] <sacater> DktrKranz: when i compile the source... it puts the correct files/boot right?
[08:57] <DktrKranz> what do you mean?
[09:03] <sacater> DktrKranz: meh forget it, what am i supposed to do with this patch file thing
[09:05] <DktrKranz> first, untar linux-2.6.20
[09:05] <DktrKranz> cd in it
[09:05] <sacater> mmk
[09:05] <DktrKranz> and run bzcat ../patch-2.6.21-rc7.bz2 | patch -p1
[09:06] <sacater> i have <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:07] <DktrKranz> -rc7 is against 2.6.20
[09:07] <DktrKranz> I think you will have troubles in applying on a <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:07] <sacater> erm no
[09:07] <sacater> i meant the .bz2
[09:08] <sacater> linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[09:09] <DktrKranz> tar fjx linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2, but I suggest you to take 2.6.20
[09:09] <sacater> ok
[09:09] <sacater> let me download it
[09:09] <sacater> i cant see anything with that number
[09:10] <sacater> http://kernel.org/
[09:10] <sacater> which one
[09:10] <sacater> DktrKranz: dont want to spam motu, can we do this is #sacater
[09:17] <ScottK> Packaging question??  Does a native package that is Ubuntu only (not in or intended for Debian) get an Ubuntu specific version number?
[09:18] <geser> afaik you don't need to add ubuntuX to the revision in these cases
[09:20] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[09:21] <Lin> sorry to ask, but where is /etc/inittab?
[09:24] <DktrKranz> Lin, upstart does not provide it
[09:24] <Lin> DktrKranz: do you know the first thing loaded after init()? (i know that everyone here hates short answers)
[09:42] <LaserJock> ok everybody, behindubuntu.wordpress.com is up
[09:43] <superm1> you sure: The blog you were looking for, behindubuntu.wordpress.com doesn't exist but you can create it now!
[09:44] <LaserJock> bah
[09:44] <LaserJock> behindmotu.wordpress.com
[09:44] <LaserJock> I got mixed up
[09:45] <superm1> :)
[09:46] <bddebian> Damnit, why do I keep getting all the mentor requests?  I'm probably the worst MOTU of the bunch
[09:46] <geser> which mentor requests?
[09:46] <crimsun> because you're the most friendly, duh
[09:46] <superm1> lol
[09:46] <crimsun> if you're an asswipe like me, no one asks :-)
[09:47] <crimsun> besides, as part of the motu trinity, you should know that you're going to be accosted for mentoring ;-)
[09:47] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[09:47] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[09:48] <ScottK> You are very willing to help people who know less than you, so that's what you get for being nice.
[09:48] <bddebian> crimsun: You are not an asswipe and it doesn't help if I can't teach them anything :-(
[09:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, I got one too
[09:48] <bddebian> ScottK: Well very few know less than me :-)
[09:48] <LaserJock> bddebian: I sent an email to motu-council to see if we can get a motu-mentors list of pronto
[09:48] <ScottK> So you say.
[09:48] <crimsun> bddebian: you don't need to teach them anything, only show them ways to avoid the monsters with sharp, pointy teeth
[09:49] <LaserJock> "stay away from crimsun and ajmitch"
[09:49] <crimsun> O:-)
[09:49] <LaserJock> "they will eat you alive"
[09:49] <bddebian> heh
[09:49] <ScottK> bddebian: I'm going for Ubuntu membership tomorrow.  Any chance you can show up and speak for me? 2000UTC.
[09:49] <bddebian> ScottK: Probably.  Hit me up tomorrow so I remember :-)
[09:49] <ScottK> Will do.  Thanks.
[09:50] <pochu> bddebian: would you mind to mentor me? :p
[09:51] <crimsun> mind the holy hand grenade
[09:52] <LaserJock> bddebian: would you mentor me?  It's really interesting
[10:03] <LaserJock> pochu: no, I'm not adding it to planet
[10:03] <LaserJock> I'll try to get it onto the fridge and UWN
[10:05] <pochu> Sounds good too :)
[10:05] <LaserJock> well, we are trying to not have any non-personal  blogs on planet so I don't want to add to the problem
[10:05] <pochu> hehe, didn't know it :)
[10:06] <pochu> So the debaday feed will leave the planet?
[10:06] <LaserJock> well ...
[10:06] <pochu> btw, I'm also subscribed to the fridge, and I receive the uwn, so I don't mind ;)
[10:06] <LaserJock> I don't know that it will, but there were a fair amount of people that didn't really want it there
[10:06] <LaserJock> debaday isn't on planet debian for that reason
[10:07] <pochu> At least it's more likely debaweek than debaday ;)
[10:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: kind of you
[10:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what is?
[10:11] <ajmitch> 07:49 < LaserJock> "stay away from crimsun and ajmitch"
[10:11] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:11] <LaserJock> did I say that? ;-)
[10:12] <ajmitch> looks like it
[10:13] <LaserJock> lol
[10:31] <ScottK> LaserJock: Thanks.  I put up a link to that on my family blog (not public) so now my cousins will think I'm all famous and stuff.
[10:33] <LaserJock> ScottK: glad to be of service ;-)
[10:33] <ScottK> Some of them are pretty hard core geeks.  There's a non-zero chance it'll get as a recruit.
[10:34] <ScottK> as/us
[10:43] <ScottK> All it takes is being here on irc when LaserJock asks.  It looks way better than it is, but I am adding it to my wiki page for the CC meeting tomorrow.
[10:44] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[10:45] <ogra> hey hey
[10:48] <cbx33> ogra, hi
[10:48] <cbx33> did you get my mail?
[10:48] <bddebian> !packagingguide
[10:48] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:49] <ogra> i didnt get any mail today i was testing isos the last 24h
[10:49] <cbx33> ogra,
[10:49] <cbx33> ok
[10:49] <cbx33> can you do me a big favour
[10:49] <cbx33> can you get me an ldm login screenshot?
[10:49] <cbx33> for feisty
[10:49] <cbx33> for the book chapter?
[10:49] <ogra> not tonight anymore
[10:49] <ogra> i'm working since 20h
[10:49] <ogra> i need sleep
[10:50] <cbx33> ok
[10:50] <cbx33> I still can't get clients to boot here
[10:50] <ogra> but i can do one tomorrow
[10:50] <cbx33> please
[10:52] <cbx33>  hey ajmitch
[10:54] <ajmitch> hello cbx33
[10:56] <dcsmith> Okay, I'm actually building a package now, but none of the binaries are in it
[10:56] <dcsmith> the files compile
[10:57] <dcsmith> but i don't believe that make install is working properly
[10:57] <dcsmith> I see that make install-exec-am is being called by pbuilder
[10:57] <dcsmith> which when I run in standalone nothing happens
[10:57] <dcsmith> however if I run make install it works
[10:58] <dcsmith> i'm using the rules from debianhelper
[11:05] <dcsmith> anyone here?
[11:06] <LaserJock> dcsmith: have you looked at the .deb to see if stuff is getting installed?
[11:07] <dcsmith> laserjock: i've done a dpkg --contents on the deb and nothing is in the package
[11:08] <geser> have you checked if it installs in debian/tmp?
[11:10] <dcsmith> geser: right I think it might be a problem with the make file, I'll pastebin the pbuilder output
[11:14] <damko> LaserJock: http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/  it's very nice. good job! :-)
[11:15] <LaserJock> damko: thanks
[11:15] <ajmitch> he needs to interview more people
[11:15] <LaserJock> yep
[11:15] <LaserJock> I'm setting up to send out a number of emails
[11:16] <ajmitch> ah
[11:16] <LaserJock> I need to do a bunch at one time rather waiting until I remember then asking somebody last minute
[11:17] <dcsmith> okay so here's the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/443527
[11:17] <ajmitch> plus it's easier to get responses to put in
[11:17] <ajmitch> I see there's a request there to interview cbx33
[11:18] <cbx33> eh?
[11:18] <cbx33> there?
[11:18] <ajmitch> http://behindmotu.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/behind-motu-barry-defreese/#comments
[11:18] <cbx33> haha
[11:18] <LaserJock> it seems cbx33 has a stalker/fan
[11:19] <cbx33> he's my GSoC student ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> wonderful ;)
[11:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how many stalkers have you collected?
[11:19] <LaserJock> none that I know of
[11:20] <LaserJock> at least none that I would consider stalkers
[11:20] <dcsmith> anyone have any ideas on the pastebin?
[11:21] <LaserJock> dcsmith: can you also paste your debian/rules ?
[11:21] <ajmitch> you may not want to install into debian/tmp if it's a single binary package
[11:21] <ajmitch> but *maybe* into debian/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin
[11:22] <ajmitch> which means changing DESTDIR in the make install line
[11:23] <dcsmith> http://pastebin.ca/443547
[11:23] <ajmitch> so line 75 in that file
[11:23] <dcsmith> Okay, but one question
[11:24] <dcsmith> in the output of pbuilder it appears that make install does nothing
[11:24] <dcsmith> because it's calling make install-exec-am instead of make install?
[11:24] <dcsmith> is that right?
[11:24] <ajmitch> no, that's fine
[11:24] <ajmitch> just change what I said
[11:26] <dcsmith> ajmitch: Okay, thanks for the help
[11:30] <dcsmith> ajmitch: nope nothing
[11:31] <dcsmith> ajmitch: wait
[11:34] <dcsmith> ajmitch: nope the package is still empty
[11:36] <ajmitch> what do you have in debian/rules now?
[11:36] <dcsmith>  DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)debian/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin install
[11:37] <ajmitch> stick a / between $(CURDIR) & debian
[11:38] <dcsmith> trying
[11:40] <dcsmith> again nothing
[11:41] <dcsmith> are you sure the fact that make install does nothing for the actual binaries is ok?
[11:41] <ajmitch> as long as make install is calling the right make targets & it installs files, it should work
[11:42] <dcsmith> /usr/bin/install -c .libs/liborg-gnome-remove-duplicates.so /tmp/buildd/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin-0.0.2/debian/evolution-remove-duplicates-plugin/usr/lib/evolution/2.10/plugins/liborg-gnome-remove-duplicates.so
[11:43] <dcsmith> wait
[11:43] <dcsmith> i was misreading the contents
[11:43] <ajmitch> oh good
[11:43] <dcsmith> ajmitch: sorry
[11:44] <damko> cbx33: what's a GSoC student ?
[11:44] <cbx33> Google Summer of Code student
[11:44] <damko> cbx33: thanks
[11:44] <damko> cbx33: now I got
[11:46] <cbx33> ;)
[11:46] <ajmitch> cbx33 is one of these legendary mentors
[11:46] <dcsmith> it works!!!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!! Thanks to everyone who helped
[11:47] <cbx33> ajmitch, HAHAHAH
[11:47] <damko> u know guys I'm really new in this room .. but I loose my sleep just to stay here and read. very good environment. hopefully I'll learn something
[11:47] <cbx33> that's funny....
[11:47] <cbx33> damko, I learnt more here in a year than my entire time 3 years at uni
[11:48] <damko> cbx33: agree. in 2 days I built my first (personal) deb. package. it's a drop in the sea .. but it's a lot for me
[11:49] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:50] <ajmitch> uh oh
[11:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you mean planet mako? :)
[11:50] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:51] <LaserJock> try refreshing it
[11:51] <ajmitch> yeah I saw your post there, don't worry
[11:51] <LaserJock> I got planet mako a few minutes ago
[11:51] <LaserJock> but now it seems to be ok
[12:03] <damko> is pastebin definetely dead ?
[12:04] <pochu> damko: why?
[12:04] <pochu> !pastebin | damko
[12:04] <ubotu> damko: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:04] <jmg> damko: wfmtm
[12:05] <damko> jmg: Query failure: Can't open file: 'pastebin.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[12:05] <damko> jmg: thanls
[12:05] <jmg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16023/
[12:08] <pochu> damko: works pretty fine here
[12:12] <damko> pochu: yes yes I was refering to pastebin.org
[12:12] <damko> here is not working since friday
[12:12] <damko> anyway http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org it's ok too
[12:12] <pochu> oh :)
[12:13] <pochu> damko: I use paste.ubuntu-nl.org or pastebin.ca
[12:13] <jmg> pastebin.org works too
[12:13] <jmg> oh wait no it doesnt
[12:13] <jmg> its been sniped