[15:30] <sarnold> good morning
[15:31] <eslerm_> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> hiho
[15:31] <cpaelzer> just 1 more minute to get started
[15:32] <slyon> o/
[15:34] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:34] <jbicha> o/
[15:34] <cpaelzer> rush ...
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[15:34] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:34] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:34] <jamespage> o/
[15:34] <cpaelzer> we see the known set ot trace*
[15:35] <cpaelzer> then the unsurprising long case of jaraco
[15:35] <slyon> freerdp3 seems new and needs investigation by the desktop team (cc didrocks)
[15:35] <cpaelzer> will that ever chance jamespage?
[15:35] <cpaelzer> ack on freerdp3
[15:35] <jamespage> I need to refresh my brain on why that's still there
[15:35] <cpaelzer> jbicha: you said hi, do you happen to know any more on freerdp3?
[15:35] <jamespage> oh right this was todo with pydantic
[15:36] <cpaelzer> and also for jamespage there is python-openstacksdk -> platformdirs
[15:36] <cpaelzer> but is filed
[15:36] <eslerm_> libtraceevent is being worked on by security, libtracefs was deemed to not need security review. should be good to go
[15:36] <jbicha> yes, Ubuntu Desktop would like to do a straight swap: freerdp3 for freerdp2. It has 2 main reverse dependencies, gnome-remote-desktop & remmina and both have been switched in noble-proposed
[15:36] <cpaelzer> waiting for an assigneed
[15:36] <jamespage> it is just needs someone other than me (who filed it) to review
[15:36] <cpaelzer> jbicha: ok, is freerdp3 based ont he source of freerdp2 or something completely else?
[15:37] <cpaelzer> yes jamespage we will get to that when looking at tasks to assign - thanks
[15:37] <slyon> eslerm_: *trace* still needs some work from foundations, primarly to enable tests
[15:37] <jbicha> cpaelzer: it is a new upstream version of the same project. It just will take a while for everything in universe to be ported
[15:37] <cpaelzer> slyon: yes some QA is also what I've seen the most there - also on bpf*
[15:37] <joalif> o/
[15:37] <cpaelzer> slyon: but all of it moves and I have hopes it works out
[15:37] <jbicha> the new source package idea was also done years ago when freerdp2 was introduced
[15:37] <slyon> ack
[15:37] <cpaelzer> jbicha: so will we need both in the archive or both in main for a transition time?
[15:38] <jbicha> cpaelzer: both are only needed in main for the short (lol) time it will take for things to get out of noble-proposed
[15:39] <jbicha> freerdp2 will not be needed in main for 24.04 LTS
[15:39] <cpaelzer> ok, I think you can craft a bug until next week
[15:39] <slyon> basicaly demote freedrp2 & promote freerdp3 IIUC
[15:39] <cpaelzer> and if it is indeed the same and not hilariously bad (and slipped into main in the dark past) then it should be a quick case
[15:40] <cpaelzer> 10 reverse dependencies
[15:40] <jbicha> cpaelzer: so you want an explicit MIR bug for freerdp3?
[15:40] <cpaelzer> is there an old one we could tag this on to?
[15:40] <cpaelzer> from freerdp2
[15:41] <cpaelzer> and OTOH this is kind of a lib transition, there release team might want to talk about an FFE - up to you to judge
[15:41] <jbicha> bug 673925
[15:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 673925 in freerdp "[MIR] freerdp" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673925
[15:41] <jbicha> ffe was bug 2057842 , granted pending MIR approval
[15:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2057842 in remmina (Ubuntu) "FFe: freedp2 -> freerdp3 in main" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2057842
[15:41] <cpaelzer> great
[15:42] <sarnold> heh kees sure has a way with words :) "it implies a grievous lack of attention to security"
[15:42] <cpaelzer> all testing off makes me wonder
[15:42] <slyon> jbicha: freerdp3 has no autopkgtests :(
[15:42] <cpaelzer>     -DBUILD_TESTING=OFF in build
[15:42] <cpaelzer> nothing in debian/tests/
[15:42] <cpaelzer> ...
[15:42] <cpaelzer> sure we could say it is as bad as before, but I'm feeling not too happy
[15:43] <eslerm_> is the need for freerdp2 related to fdk-aac-free?
[15:43] <cpaelzer> I think it is ok to say yes, as nothing will regress. But I feel bad to let this opportuinty to add some QA be added :-/
[15:44] <jbicha> eslerm_: not directly, but gnome-remote-desktop (and a a few others) want fdk-aac*
[15:45] <cpaelzer> this isn't a dictatorship - how do others feel. Passing as "same content new name and version" or passing with "yes, but add some tests before promotion" ?
[15:45] <seb128> (sorry in a call at the same time but I'm happy to commit desktop team time to improve tests/packaging before the end of the cycle if that can help to unblock things)
[15:45] <jbicha> cpaelzer: I can add some bugs and Jira cards for exploring enabling freerdp tests. Unfortunately things are so busy I don't think we have capacity before noble's release
[15:45] <cpaelzer> thanks seb128, that is all I wanted - you gave jbicha the time to have a look
[15:46] <slyon> +1 on implementing at least a basic set of tests, if that is an option
[15:48] <sarnold> another possibility if it's just too hard to test during build or too fickle to test during autopkgtest is the 'manual testing plan' and assurances that it'd be run on every update; we haven't done this in a while, is it still an option or did we push strongly enough for fully automated testing that we removed the manual testing plan?
[15:48] <jbicha> eslerm_: I believe the takeaway on fdk-aac-free was "No for 24.04 LTS, can re-evaluate later to check for improvement in security handling"
[15:48] <cpaelzer> I write a bug update ...
[15:48] <sarnold> if upstream has already abandoned the older versions, it'd be unfun to stick on it for the next ten years vs this one, which might be replaced by freerdp4 in another five or so :)
[15:49] <jbicha> sarnold: oh, I have a minimal manual test plan for both Remmina & gnome-remote-desktop https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TestPlans/RemoteDesktop
[15:50] <cpaelzer> updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/2057842 jbicha
[15:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2057842 in remmina (Ubuntu) "FFe: [MIR] freedp2 -> freerdp3 in main" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[15:50] <cpaelzer> I hope that is ok as the compromise we found here
[15:50] <eslerm_> jbicha: if fdk-aac-free is causing the change from freerdp3 to freerdp2, please message me. The security tradeoff is likely better with 3. The chain to upstream needs to be improved for fdk-aac
[15:50] <sarnold> jbicha: nice, thanks
[15:50] <cpaelzer> wow, time flies
[15:50] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:50] <sarnold> yes
[15:50] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[15:50] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:50] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/platformdirs/+bug/2057683
[15:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2057683 in platformdirs (Ubuntu) "[MIR] platformdirs" [High, New]
[15:50] <cpaelzer> I'm ok to give this a shot
[15:50] <cpaelzer> as relax task between roadmaps
[15:51] <cpaelzer> and I haven#t done one in two weeks
[15:51] <jbicha> eslerm_: fdk-aac-free isn't needed for the freerdp3 switch. Thank you
[15:51] <eslerm_> ack, +1
[15:51] <cpaelzer> next is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2058192
[15:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2058192 in ubuntu "[MIR][needs-packaging] lenovo-wwan-unlock" [Wishlist, New]
[15:51] <cpaelzer> which looks ... unfinished?
[15:51] <sarnold> it sure feels like we've already got something for the xdg directory names thingy
[15:52] <sarnold>   - Binary configservice_lenovo and DPR_Fcc_unlock_service in /opt/fcc_lenovo/ is no problem because AppArmor constraints applied
[15:52] <sarnold> well that's sure iffy
[15:52] <cpaelzer> lenovo-wwan-unlock being not yet even in universe makes us lack and history on quuality
[15:52] <cpaelzer> the link has no code, no build
[15:53] <sarnold> I realize our OEM stuff can be weird but this feels too weird, or it's in the wrong place, or something like that
[15:53] <slyon> just a PPA build in https://launchpad.net/~dirksu/+archive/ubuntu/fccunlock-test
[15:54] <slyon> But I agree this should go through normal review & sponsorship into multiverse first
[15:55] <cpaelzer> hmm
[15:55] <cpaelzer> incomplete for now
[15:56] <cpaelzer> until it at least is in the archive
[15:56] <sarnold> can we give our coworker some concrete advice on a next step?
[15:56] <cpaelzer> yeah, but I wonder what that is other than get it in the archive
[15:56] <sarnold> I strongly dislike the idea of us packaging *anything* in /opt
[15:56] <cpaelzer>  - debian/watch is not present because it is a native package and need to add
[15:56] <cpaelzer> ??
[15:56] <cpaelzer> that is not mutually excludive
[15:56] <cpaelzer> exclusive
[15:57] <cpaelzer> has canonical-mainstream ever owned a package
[15:57] <cpaelzer> I might have missed them since it is OEM work
[15:57] <slyon> Maybe a next step could be reaching out to ~ubuntu-sponsors to get it reviewed and sponsored into the archive?
[15:57] <cpaelzer> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#canonical-mainstream
[15:57] <cpaelzer> yep ok
[15:57] <slyon> I remember other canonical-mainstream bugs from the sponsorhip queue
[15:58] <cpaelzer> slyon: that is a good suggestion
[15:58] <slyon> I can write a comment
[15:58] <cpaelzer> already on it
[15:58] <cpaelzer> done
[15:58] <slyon> thx
[15:59] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:59] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[15:59] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:59] <cpaelzer> also time is up
[15:59] <cpaelzer> arr
[15:59] <cpaelzer> I need to run today
[15:59] <cpaelzer> incompletes are discussions going on
[16:00] <cpaelzer> I'd go on, but can no more drive things ... :-/
[16:00] <slyon> I can check the details on gnome-snapshot (bug #2052652) after the meeting
[16:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2052652 in gnome-snapshot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-snapshot" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2052652
[16:00] <cpaelzer> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[16:00] <cpaelzer> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[16:00] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[16:00] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[16:00] <cpaelzer> thank slyon
[16:01] <slyon> nothing new here, I think.
[16:01] <cpaelzer> ack
[16:01] <slyon> I merged https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/53 earlier today
[16:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 53 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Rationale and ownership" [Merged]
[16:01] <cpaelzer> thanks
[16:01] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[16:01] <slyon> we have consensus on https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/51
[16:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 51 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "cargo vendor adds unnecessary crates" [Open]
[16:01] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[16:01] <cpaelzer> Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.
[16:01] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[16:01] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[16:01] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[16:01] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[16:01] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[16:01] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[16:02] <eslerm_> Security is aiming to clear our currently assigned board this week so that we are available for last minute requests
[16:02] <eslerm_> please assign platformdirs and lenovo-wwan-unlock asap to avoid crunch
[16:02] <sarnold> I believe our current status is happier than this board indicates
[16:02] <eslerm_> please recall that "For a MIR to be considered for a release, it must be assigned to the Security team (by the MIR team) before Beta Freeze"
[16:02] <eslerm_> most of the board is in review :)
[16:04] <slyon> eslerm_: so maybe we should assign libtracefs already. As the pending tests should be independent of security review
[16:04] <slyon> bug #2051925 wdyt?
[16:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2051925 in libtracefs (Ubuntu) "[MIR] promote libtracefs as a trace-cmd dependency" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051925
[16:04] <eslerm_> that was deemed >This does not need a security review
[16:04] <eslerm_> libtracefs*
[16:04] <slyon> oh wait
[16:04] <slyon> right. No need here
[16:05] <slyon> So things are looking good from Foundations POV
[16:05] <sarnold> slyon: would foundatoins want to do a new upload of ndctl to re-pick-up libtracefs?
[16:06] <sarnold> I guess that's not really super-important now, but it's a possibility anyway
[16:06] <slyon> I'd need to check back with the team... But for now I'd say we should first try to get libtracefs in shape
[16:07] <slyon> ndctl is actually owned by server. So they could jump on libtracefs once it got MIR approval
[16:07] <sarnold> ah d'oh
[16:07] <slyon> (essentially dropping the delta)
[16:09] <sarnold> seems like there's not a whole lot more to discuss re: security, and if there is, head to the office hours meeting :)
[16:09] <sarnold> #topic Any other business?
[16:09] <eslerm_> thanks for the dbus-broker #2015538 comment slyon
[16:09] <sarnold> #topic Any other business?
[16:09] <didrocks> o/ (I’m back)
[16:09] <cpaelzer> not from me
[16:09] <slyon> seb128: bug #2015538 might contain some update for you
[16:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538
[16:09] <didrocks> I did spend half a day already on trying to remove the rust windows dep on authd
[16:09] <cpaelzer> yes libtrace could be used in other places
[16:09] <didrocks> cargo doesn’t cooperate, albeit I am not a Rust expert
[16:09] <slyon> i.e.: we might not need the rust parts for dbus-run-session
[16:10] <didrocks> without guidance, this is really difficult, so I would appreciate any help
[16:10] <sarnold> didrocks: did it just brute-force try to download all those crates during build-time even if they weren't needed for the config in question?
[16:10] <slyon> didrocks: maybe reach out to liushuyu-011
[16:10] <didrocks> sarnold: exactly, and even if you mess up with the .lock files, the checksum doesn’t match
[16:10] <sarnold> didrocks: blech.
[16:11] <sarnold> I had really assumed it was just going to ignore everything that it didn't need for that build :(
[16:11] <didrocks> yeah, clearly not :/
[16:12] <didrocks> slyon: I will try, but if he doesn’t have any bandwith
[16:12] <sarnold> I really don't like the idea of polluting all our mirrors with hundreds of megabytes of windows-only crates but there's not a whole lot of time left to come up with something to avoid it.
[16:12] <didrocks> not like we do either, we are late to the projects, add more tasks added by day, so I have few hope to get authd in main this cycle
[16:13] <eslerm_> the meaning of *best-effort* is flexible :pray: thank you for your efforts didrocks
[16:13] <didrocks> well, it is what it is, if this is a requirement, fine, just that we will miss the target for this
[16:13] <didrocks> I’ll try again giving another day, and we’ll see
[16:13] <sarnold> I think we'd rather be pragmatic
[16:13] <slyon> eslerm_: I agree. If "best-effort" doesn't work out, it needs to be ignored
[16:13] <didrocks> I still think this is more an infrastructure helper tool matter, but I lost that argument already :)
[16:14] <sarnold> no, you're 100% right on that one, too :) it's just that they're in the same boat, heh
[16:14] <didrocks> (same, we have our own tooling for vendoring because it’s not well supported and we start having copy)
[16:14] <didrocks> let’s see how it goes, let me give this another try, but I wanted to update you on the progress (or rather lack of)
[16:14] <sarnold> didrocks: please do shoot liushuyu-011 a quick summary of the goal, where you got stuck, and hope there's a brainstorm :)
[16:14] <didrocks> will try
[16:14] <sarnold> thanks
[16:14] <slyon> thanks!
[16:15] <sarnold> anything else?
[16:15] <slyon> nothing.
[16:15] <didrocks> nothing else either
[16:15] <sarnold> alrighty then :)
[16:15] <sarnold> #endmeeting
[16:15] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:15:53 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-03-19-15.34.moin.txt
[16:15] <eslerm_> thanks everyone o/
[16:15] <seb128> slyon, I saw that and need to reply, basically I need to check if the claim that dbus-run-session depends on dbus-daemon make past cycle is true (because if it is then the split isn't going to enough to remove dbus-daemon to universe)
[16:16] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[16:16] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:16] <didrocks> (for once the meeting is long enough for me to attend the end, I’ll scrollback now)
[16:16] <slyon> thanks all! o/
[16:17] <slyon> seb128: thanks for double-checking this!
[16:18] <cpaelzer> thank you all
[16:18] <seb128> I missing the AOB opportunity, but any idea from security when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-snapshot/+bug/2052652 might get reviewed?
[16:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2052652 in gnome-snapshot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] gnome-snapshot" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[16:19] <eslerm_> review is in progress
[16:19] <seb128> ideally that's a change we would still like to land for Noble since that's something we told oem we would do
[16:19] <eslerm_> aiming to complete review by eow
[16:19] <seb128> change between cheese->snapshot
[16:19] <seb128> eslerm_, great, thanks!
[16:20] <eslerm_> I reported upstream about unnecessary crate vendoring https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/snapshot/-/issues/137
[16:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 137 in GNOME/snapshot "unnecessary crate vendoring in source download" [Opened]
[16:21] <slyon> seb128: I'm looking into gnome-snapshot right now
[16:21] <seb128> slyon, thanks!


[15:54] <yano> anybody at PyOhio?
[17:09] <Unit193> I'm no python expert.
[17:09] <Unit193> yano: HOW DO I COMPILE PYTHON‽
[17:15] <yano> lol
[17:15] <yano> YOU DON'T
[17:15] <yano> lol
[17:18] <Unit193> Though actually, I've had to do something like that in the past, but been a long time.  Was for Windows of course.
[17:18] <yano> ew, programming on Windows?
[17:18] <yano> who does that?
[17:19] <Unit193> I didn't, just wanted a handy exe.  And yeeeah, I don't do python (or Windows), remember? :D
[17:20] <yano> hehe
[17:20] <Unit193> ...It was back when Vista had that nice samba BSOD fun. :D
[17:21] <yano> haha
[17:22]  * yano shamelessly self promotes ##ohio
[17:22] <yano> :3
[17:25] <Unit193> I'm already in a couple Ohio channels!
[17:25] <yano> need moar!
[17:26] <Unit193> Why?  What's so good about being social with people that you only have location in common? :3
[17:26] <yano> :p
[17:39] <thafreak> o/
[17:40]  * thafreak is at pyohio, but sans-phone
[17:40] <yano> woohoo
[17:40] <yano> i'm on my laptop
[17:40] <yano> in the quiet room
[17:40] <thafreak> so I'm trying to cope with not being constantly knowing what's going on here :( no real-time twitter
[17:41] <thafreak> I'm in barbie tootle or what not waiting for rick's talk
[17:41] <yano> cool
[17:41] <yano> wait
[17:41] <yano> do you know about the Slack channels?
[17:42] <thafreak> yes
[17:42] <yano> https://slack.pyohio.org/
[17:42] <jenni> [ Let yourself in to PyOhio Slack ] - https://slack.pyohio.org
[17:42] <yano> ooh, yay
[17:42] <yano> okay
[17:42] <thafreak> I'm there...but since my computer was on, I thought I'd un-idle here too
[17:42] <yano> i'm the chick walking around with the bright pink shirt on with the name tag that says 'Mica'
[17:43] <thafreak> I don't know if I've seen you
[17:43] <yano> probably not, i've only been to te first talk
[17:44] <yano> i socialized with the #osuosc members during the sescond talk
[17:44] <yano> and then went to lunch by myself
[17:44]  * Unit193 scratches head.
[17:44] <thafreak> Also, I blame the patriarchy, but in all the years I've seen your name in here, I've assumed you were a male
[17:44] <yano> well
[17:44] <yano> heh
[17:44] <thafreak> Also, I got here really late
[17:44] <yano> about that
[17:44] <thafreak> I missed the first few talks
[17:45] <yano> i use to be
[17:45] <thafreak> I get it.
[17:47] <thafreak> Enough said :)
[17:47] <yano> thanks <3
[17:47] <thafreak> I'm probably the only person in ohio with a debian swirl logo hat, so if you see me, say HI
[17:49] <yano> cool!
[18:05] <yano> front row?
[18:06] <yano> i peaked in, the room was too full; topic seems interesting
[18:06] <yano> i ended up going to the Lumberjack talk, lol
[18:06] <thafreak> One row back from the front
[18:06] <thafreak> Hows the lumberjack talk?
[18:07] <yano> pretty good
[18:07] <yano> pretty funny, lol
[18:07] <yano> he's talking about his experience about going from 0 programming experience to doing a 6-week bootcamp
[18:09] <thafreak> Oh cool. Probably good for some one who thinks programming is too hard to get into
[18:10] <yano> yea
[18:10] <yano> though my entire last job for 4 years was programming in python, lol
[18:10] <yano> i'm more interested in his perspective
[18:13] <thafreak> I haven't held an actual "programming" job in over 10 years
[18:13] <yano> ah
[18:13] <thafreak> Been stuck in sysadmin land and now I'm not even sure what kind of job i even want
[18:14] <thafreak> Really leaning towards dev, but I'm worried I don't know the current job landscape
[18:14] <thafreak> Like I haven't had a code review in a decade, and I completely missed this move towards agile
[18:15] <thafreak> The world went agile and I was stuck in a server closet
[18:15] <yano> awww
[18:15] <yano> yea, agile annoys me
[18:15] <yano> i'm now in a bit more of a sys-adminy role too
[18:15] <yano> i work at a local major hospital
[18:16] <yano> i mostly do software updates and upgrades
[18:16] <yano> and other random middle-ware things
[18:16] <thafreak> ah, ha, so we've switched places then
[18:17] <yano> haha
[18:17] <yano> nice


[07:46] <sagaci> hey, I've just tried using the command bzr launchpad-login - usually it works but on this new ubuntu 11.04 natty install, I've come across a few weird errors
[07:46] <sagaci> http://paste.ubuntu.com/632867/
[07:47] <sagaci> now I'd usually file a bug about this kind of thing but I'm not particularly well-versed with what's gone wrong so I was just wondering if it is a known-bug and/or if there's a workaround
[07:50] <lifeless> looks like the pycurl timeout bug
[08:04] <sagaci> so, keep trying?
[08:49] <lifeless> sagaci: there is a patch for pycurl
[08:49] <lifeless> I think its in natty-proposed now
[09:05] <sagaci> righteo, thanks
[09:44] <lifeless> jelmer: I'm getting this when I commit now :
[09:44] <lifeless> modified versions.cfg
[09:44] <lifeless> bzr: ERROR: Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in "Graph(CachingParentsProvider(CHKInventoryRepository('file:///home/robertc/source/launchpad/gpgverify/.bzr/repository/')))".
[09:44] <lifeless> jelmer: where that rev is the rev being committed
[09:44] <lifeless> I'm guessing its a plugin issue
[09:46] <sagaci> thanks, updated to the -proposed version and it processed without error
[09:55] <lifeless> \o/
[10:39] <lifeless> zyga: you should add a url/homepage to your lava-dev-ool setup.py
[10:39] <zyga> lifeless, :-)
[10:39] <lifeless> (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/lava-dev-tool/0.1 has no link to launchpad/your homepage)
[10:39] <zyga> lifeless, how did you find about it :-)
[10:39] <zyga> (and thanks, fixing now)
[10:39] <lifeless> I'm subscribed to the pypi twitter feed
[10:40] <zyga> ah, good one
[10:41] <zyga> fixed
[10:41] <zyga> thanks
[10:43] <zyga> lifeless, in dublin yet?
[10:44] <lifeless> zyga: I won't be there
[10:44] <zyga> aw, too bad
[10:44] <lifeless> zyga: got something more important :) - we're expecting in 8 weeks
[10:44] <zyga> congratulations
[10:44] <zyga> boy or girl?
[10:44] <lifeless> la chica
[10:45] <zyga> great :-)
[11:10] <lifeless> jelmer: branchfeed plugin (if you want to reproduce) was seeing an incomplete cached graph from the repository
[11:22] <lifeless> jelmer: actually, happens w/o that plugin too :<
[12:17] <lifeless> jamesh: gpgme 0.2 should probably get released :)
[12:27] <jelmer> 'evening lifeless
[12:27] <jelmer> lifeless: I'm about to head off to Dublin, but I'll try to remember to have a look
[12:28] <lifeless> have a good flight
[12:28] <lifeless> I should probably pull trunk in
[12:28] <lifeless> I may be running a weird combo of stuff
[12:49] <LarstiQ> morning
[18:34] <poolie> hi all
[21:28] <lifeless> hi poolie
[23:55]  * jelmer waves
[23:56] <lifeless> hi jelmer
[23:56] <lifeless> jamesh: happens to bzr-dbus too
[23:56] <lifeless> bah
[23:56] <lifeless> jelmer: ^
[23:59] <jelmer> lifeless, the graph issue from this morning you mean?
[23:59] <lifeless> yes


[06:13] <kbmonkey> morning
[06:16] <bduk> Morning everyone and kbmonkey
[06:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[06:16]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thanks!
[06:16] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay :-)
[06:16] <kbmonkey> get your coffee while it is hot bduk
[06:17] <bduk> No to late for coffee kbmonkey
[06:17] <kbmonkey> he he
[06:18] <bduk> Mostly drink coffee early in the morning . how's apie today?
[06:19] <kbmonkey> I discovered something interesting last night about ext files systems
[06:19] <bduk> By the way don't think Maaz knows how to make moer coffee
[06:19] <kbmonkey> filesystems*
[06:20] <bduk> Don't they work on linux
[06:20] <kbmonkey> anytime is coffee time (in the right universe and context)
[06:20] <kbmonkey> they do, and if you mv a file it even keeps the inode!
[06:20] <kbmonkey> how amazing is that
[06:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[06:21] <mazal> Morning kbmonkey
[06:21] <bduk> Oeps head is somewhere else. Thinking bout exe extentions
[06:22] <bduk> What's the inode kbmonkey
[06:22] <kbmonkey> it is a number that points to a file, bduk.
[06:23] <kbmonkey> so I moved my irc log file, while my irc client was running, and it kept logging to the same file, even though it was renamed.
[06:23] <kbmonkey> I thought I could archive the log and it would start a new one.
[06:23] <bduk> Ok that sounds interesting
[06:24] <kbmonkey> it was a surprise. anyway I just ran gzip on the log to archive it instead.
[06:24] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:24] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari !
[06:24] <nuvolari> hi kbapie, gaan dit goed?
[06:24] <mazal> Môre nuvolari
[06:24] <kbmonkey> `ls -i` shows your file inodes, for interests sake
[06:24] <bduk> Morning nuvolari
[06:25] <nuvolari> hi mazal, bduk
[06:25] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: heh, had to find out the hard way yesterday that inodes are of importance as well
[06:25] <nuvolari> lots of disk space left, ran out of inodes
[06:25] <kbmonkey> ja nuvolari die reen het gestop maar ons vries nog. ons durbanites is nie meer gewoond aand koud nie!
[06:26] <nuvolari> :O waar is jy dan kbmonkey?
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:26] <nuvolari> ja nee, ek sal die weer van die noordkus mis :'(
[06:26] <nuvolari> oh hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:26] <mazal> Hey ThatGraemeGuy
[06:26] <kbmonkey> ran out of inodes? wat.
[06:27] <kbmonkey> max files per directory limit?
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> many many many small files
[06:27] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: we coded around the max files per directory issue... then ran into the inodes issue yesterday
[06:27]  * mazal listen up , needs too know about this , seems important :P
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> or tons of directories yea
[06:27] <bduk> Hi ThatGraemeGuy . kbmonkey  i miss northcoast's weather for a lomg time already
[06:28] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy bduk kbmonkey
[06:28] <nuvolari> note: if you have lots of directories, *don't* make your sha1-hash-groups 5 levels deep :P they waste inodes with empty directories
[06:28] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[06:28] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[06:28] <bduk> More Kilos
[06:28]  * Kilos vrek van die koue
[06:28] <mazal> Môre oom
[06:28] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:29]  * mazal have no idea what nuvolari is speaking about
[06:29] <kbmonkey> oh really nuvolari ? ha ha, whoops our project has a guid-group of 16 deep I think. but it is not ext (so will probably break even sooner)
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be xfs
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> so won't break
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ;-)
[06:30] <kbmonkey> bduk, so now you are inland?
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode
[06:30] <kbmonkey> I bet you got used to the cold now...
[06:31] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: having ext4, before we had ext3
[06:31] <kbmonkey> I will get beat up on if I say what we use ;)
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> MurderFS? :-p
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> lemme guess, NTFS
[06:32] <kbmonkey> ThatGraemeGuy, isn't that spelled btrfs? ;)
[06:32] <kbmonkey> ha ha yes you got it ThatGraemeGuy
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> no its spelled ReiserFS
[06:32] <kbmonkey> I have to drive to work now traffic is probably good to go
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> NTFS is pretty full-featured as filesystems go
[06:33] <kbmonkey> the one thing nt4 got right
[06:33] <kbmonkey> except for it's fragmentation
[06:33]  * kbmonkey bets that is a word any *nix user has not heard for a looong time
[06:34] <bduk> Yes kbmonkey Gateng Cullinan close to Pretoria
[06:41] <bduk> But the sharks are still my team
[06:41] <Kilos> yay
[06:42] <Kilos> ok clever peeps. i have a storage partition at the end of this drive with unity on, but it shows as root being the owner. what is the best safest way to gain permissions on it
[06:43] <Kilos> i cant even run a backup to it. grrr
[06:44] <Kilos> unity can be so troublesome
[07:07] <mazal> Oom is this a partition , or external drive ?
[07:08] <Kilos> its a partition on the same drive mazal
[07:08] <mazal> I think the root ownership is because it contains a linux os on it
[07:08] <Kilos>   /storage
[07:08] <mazal> So it's mounted in /media/kilos/storage ?
[07:10] <Kilos> i think its just /storage
[07:10] <mazal> Ok , easiets way to get full permissions is with chmod
[07:10] <Kilos> if i go to computer then it shows in there as storage
[07:11] <mazal> BUT BE VERY CAREFUL not to go and edit or changed the files or folders in there as there is an OS installed on it
[07:11] <mazal> First confirm where it is mounted
[07:11] <Kilos> its empty
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: what filesystem is it?
[07:11] <Kilos> ext4
[07:11] <Kilos> i use ext4 for everything
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage
[07:11] <mazal> Check /media/kilos for the folder storage
[07:12] <mazal> It's should be in media
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> ignore me
[07:12] <mazal> Then either that command Greame gave
[07:12] <mazal> Or if you want full rights for any user use chmod 777
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> no rather ignore me, something seems off in that situation
[07:12] <Kilos> i see /media/miles/ and a folder with a long number
[07:13] <mazal> ish
[07:13] <mazal> cd /
[07:13] <mazal> find -name 'STORAGE'
[07:13] <mazal> That will show where it is
[07:13] <Kilos> lemme see
[07:14] <mazal> replace 'STORAGE' with the correct capitals etc
[07:15] <Kilos> i dont use caps
[07:15] <mazal> then it will be
[07:15] <mazal> find -name 'storage'
[07:16] <mazal> But run that in root folder.
[07:16] <mazal> cd / first
[07:20] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2htuOw4nj
[07:20] <Kilos> its a partition /storage not a filename isnt it
[07:21] <mazal> Ya but it will be mounted as a folder
[07:21] <mazal> add sudo in front of the find command
[07:21] <inetpro> ./storage
[07:22] <inetpro> df -k ./storage
[07:22] <inetpro> good morning
[07:22] <mazal> Morning inetpro
[07:22] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:23] <inetpro> that df command should show you where it is mounted
[07:23] <Kilos> Filesystem     1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:24] <inetpro> and?
[07:24] <Kilos> ai!
[07:24] <Kilos>   /dev/sda1       38355604 6437272  29946928  18% /
[07:24] <Kilos> thats all i see
[07:24] <inetpro> ok so it is in the root
[07:24] <Kilos> but the partition shows in the launcher
[07:24] <inetpro> partition?
[07:24] <Kilos> ya root wont let me backup to it
[07:25] <inetpro> that is just a folder in the root partition
[07:25] <inetpro> probably with root as the owner
[07:26] <inetpro> nothing to do with unity
[07:26] <Kilos> it shows as 50 GB VOLUME
[07:27] <Kilos> but if i go to computer where it show usr and them it shows as /storage
[07:27] <Kilos> or just storage
[07:28] <inetpro> 12/06 09:11:47 <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo chown -R kilos.kilos /storage
[07:30] <Kilos> is that miles.miles or miles:miles
[07:31] <Kilos> i remember using chown -R once before and making big work , remember inetpro
[07:31] <Kilos> haha
[07:31] <inetpro> man chown
[07:31] <Kilos> it still shows as a root folder
[07:32] <mazal> But you should have rights to it now
[07:33] <Kilos> nope if i go properties in computer on storage it shows owned by root
[07:33] <mazal> sudo chmod 777 /storage
[07:33] <mazal> Check if that work ?
[07:33] <inetpro> mazal: NO!!!!
[07:33] <mazal> Why ?
[07:33] <inetpro> never do that!
[07:34] <mazal> Why not ?
[07:34] <Kilos> still shows as owned by root
[07:34] <Kilos> sigh
[07:34] <inetpro> so,e of the worst advise I see very often online
[07:34] <inetpro> some as well
[07:34] <mazal> Is just storage and he is the only user on the pc as far as I know , so why not ?
[07:35] <inetpro> people need to to learn to understand file permissions, it is not rocket science
[07:36]  * inetpro goes back to do some work
[07:36] <mazal> Kilos did you get error after running the chown command ?
[07:36] <charl_> good morning
[07:36] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:36]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:37] <charl_> hi Kilos, inetpro, mazal
[07:37] <mazal> Morning charl_
[07:37] <Kilos> wiat
[07:38] <Kilos> lemme try again im still in cd / mode
[07:38] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:38] <mazal> If chown returns error paste it for us
[07:39] <mazal> also , after you did the chown command do ls -l and paste result please
[07:40] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20KEM11kT
[07:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:41] <mazal> Kilos, you are in wrong folder
[07:41] <mazal> You are in your home folder
[07:41] <mazal> cd /
[07:41] <mazal> then ls -l
[07:42] <Kilos> ok
[07:43] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20glCI6lb
[07:43] <Kilos> i hate this permissions thing at times
[07:43] <mazal> drwxrwxrwx   3 miles miles  4096 Jun 11 21:07 storage
[07:43] <Kilos> chown works kiff to an external
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> ls -l /storage/
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> ls -la /storage/
[07:44] <mazal> That shows you have permissions to that folder
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry
[07:44] <mazal> So you did the chown right
[07:44] <mazal> You SHOULD be able to write to it
[07:45] <Kilos> lemme try ty
[07:47] <Kilos> yay deja-dup is running, ty guys
[07:47] <mazal> Look at that line I pasted oom
[07:48] <mazal> You see all those rwx stuff ? You know what that means
[07:48] <Kilos> ya read write execute
[07:48] <mazal> K , now that shows that you , your group and other users have that rights
[07:49] <mazal> You can go and limit the others if you want
[07:49] <Kilos> lekker dankie man
[07:49] <mazal> You can remove the rw and even x as well for others
[07:49] <Kilos> it still shows as owned by root if i properties storage in computer
[07:50] <mazal> Only change then is that another user on your pc won't access it
[07:50] <mazal> In Nautilus ?
[07:51] <Kilos> i dunno in what man
[07:52] <mazal> When you talk about properties in computer , you talking about when you check the properties in nautilus ?
[07:52] <Kilos> if i tick the files thing that used to be home then computer i see usr and var and them
[07:52] <Kilos> storage is there too
[07:52] <mazal> Ah ok , and right click properties on that gives root owner ?
[07:52] <Kilos> when i right click properties on storage
[07:53] <Kilos> ya permissions still show as roo
[07:53] <Kilos> root but backup done so np
[07:53] <Kilos> ty
[07:54] <mazal> That's strange , maybe nautilus don't see the changed permissions
[07:54] <mazal> Dunno why
[07:54] <mazal> Check it out after a reboot if nautilus sees it right
[07:55] <Kilos> will do
[07:55] <inetpro> recommended reading:
[07:55] <inetpro> How do file permissions work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/83/how-do-file-permissions-work
[07:55] <inetpro> Why shouldn't /var/www have chmod 777 http://askubuntu.com/questions/20105/why-shouldnt-var-www-have-chmod-777/20110#20110
[07:57] <inetpro> makes me want to respond with "sorry that is bad practice and I refuse to answer this" and run away when I see chmod 777
[07:58] <Kilos> haha inetpro you are here to advise others not run away
[07:58] <Kilos> we survive on your experience
[08:05] <mazal> Kilos, there's another gui way to see where partitons are mounted also if you wonna know
[08:06] <mazal> Might come in handy when you looking for one again
[08:12] <Kilos> yes please
[08:12] <Kilos> if i remember it
[08:13] <Kilos> too cold to stress with stuff like this
[08:14] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy ls -l /storage/
[08:14] <Kilos>  showed everything in storage
[08:15] <mazal> This is for a unity install :
[08:15] <mazal> Open the applications disks
[08:15] <mazal> On the left  , left click once on the drive in question
[08:16] <mazal> On the right it shows the partitions then. Left click once on the partition in question
[08:16] <mazal> It now opens below it some info , including an entry " mounted at "
[08:18] <Kilos> ty
[08:19] <Kilos> sjoe mounted at funny place
[08:20] <Kilos>  Mounted at /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a
[08:23] <mazal> I usually only see that on Win partitions without a label
[08:25] <mazal> And roots of other linux installs on same drive
[08:27] <Kilos> im sure it should show as /media/storage
[08:28] <mazal> Can you do a command mount and paste for me
[08:28] <Kilos> dunno what went wrong with this install
[08:28] <mazal> Just for curiousity sake
[08:28] <mazal> Sounds like strange mounts there
[08:28] <mazal> Just the command mount , nothing else
[08:28] <Kilos> it shows as mounted in the launcher
[08:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's nothing wrong with the path it mounted to
[08:29] <mazal> The weird one for me is the /storage one in root. That only happens if specified to do so
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[08:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> the auto mounter uses /media/username/bla
[08:30] <Kilos> mount: can't find /media/miles/29ebfa3f-3304-4370-a82e-28c40d1ca62a in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> just type mount on its own
[08:31] <Kilos> when i do a fresh install i make a storage partition
[08:31] <Kilos> o mount at /storage
[08:31] <mazal> Ah ok , that explains it
[08:32] <Kilos> i dont normally see funny numbers like this
[08:33] <mazal> Is that one line with the error all that mount outputs ?
[08:33] <Kilos> ya
[08:34] <Kilos> lets not worry about it anymore. it accepted a backup so all good
[08:34] <Kilos> if i have more probs ill reinstall
[08:34] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <mazal> I'm just curious hehe
[08:36] <mazal> sudo fdisk -l
[08:39] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2rPrjYOYq
[08:55] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[09:22] <mazal> I keep struggling with a rsync to fat32 thing that I can't figure out grrr
[09:29] <inetpro> mazal: How can I use rsync with a FAT file system? http://serverfault.com/questions/54949/how-can-i-use-rsync-with-a-fat-file-system
[09:30] <mazal> Will have to change to NTFS
[09:31] <mazal> This guy had exactly the same problem as me : http://dbaspot.com/shell/395052-rsync-always-copies-files-fat32-file-system-usb-drive.html
[10:03] <inetpro> mazal: see also http://rsync.samba.org/FAQ.html#2
[10:06] <mazal> inetpro, I think I'm gonna solve this annoying little problem by getting a seperate stick for my backups and making it ext4
[10:06] <mazal> Currently this stick is multi-use , that's why it must be fat32.
[10:06] <mazal> Just gonna get a seperate one for backups only
[10:12] <inetpro> nou praat ons!
[10:13] <inetpro> camera and other manufacturers should start using oss file systems already
[10:13] <mazal> This stick is my ubuntu boot disk also
[10:14] <mazal> But also must do functions on a Win pc as well :(
[10:29] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend
[11:53] <mobilemonkey> Hello
[11:58] <Kilos> ohi mobilemonkey
[12:16] <bduk> To many monkeys around here today
[12:17] <Kilos> haha
[12:17] <bduk> Ons soek nog net die apie op n stokkie
[12:22] <bduk> where's the world cup?
[12:23] <Kilos> brazil
[12:29] <bduk> Wonder wat gaan hulle kry na die wc. Ons het net etol gekry
[12:44] <theblazehen> Hi
[12:44] <theblazehen> Weechat looks strange from putty on a windows box...
[12:52] <charl_> good afternoon
[12:52] <charl_> weechat always reminds me of weeaboo
[12:53] <charl_> talking about weeaboo, i'm planning on going to animecon tomorrow in the hague
[13:11] <mobilemonkey> theblazehen: irssi also looks funny in putty ;-)
[13:12] <mobilemonkey> Animecon?  Then click the bags panel icon and drag the bag to the empty slots. Click them buttons to open the bag.
[15:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:57] <mobilemonkey> It sounds more complicated when i say it
[16:00] <Kilos> ah got it ty
[16:00] <Kilos> one large bag disappeared  somewhere
[16:19] <Kilos> hi Private_User whats happening
[16:20] <Kilos> what you fixed and what you broke?
[17:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight and warm. im too cold to sit here
[17:46] <theblazehen> fscking ethics...
[21:06] <Private_User> evening people
[21:06] <Private_User> so who's watching the opening Fifa World Cup match
[21:58] <Private_User> Brazil 3-1 Croatia


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[15:22] <ijstt> hello everyone! I have a problem - bluetooth does not work on kubuntu 24.04. he is not looking for a device, although it is possible to connect from a phone, has anyone had a similar problem?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hey guys I seen that Kubuntu is great for linux
 Windows is going off the road and I am not following going to try work with linux and when update are done in october I doing a full switch to linux
 I mainly using my setup for browsing and gaming
 I have 6 screen
 Botom are 3 in surroung can Kubuntu run that with 3 more on top?
 9cGC
 wovn
 Hey guy how are you today?
 Kubuntu should support your monitors just fine. You can arrange them pretty much however you want to
 Like in surround ?
 Geez
 Last time I returned to windows because its was to much
 Surround mean you play like 3=1
 5760x1080
 Yeah I think that should work, just open display configuration and tile your windows like you want them. : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/46f4d7a6/file_71528.jpg
 you see setups like this on some linux communities, so a simple 3 monitor setup or even a 6 monitor setup should be just fine : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/efa73a68/file_71529.jpg
 you might run into some issues though if you are using integrated gpu for some monitors and discrete for others. Or at least that's something I couldn't get to work when I tried years ago.
[20:37] <user|50> Quick question, back in the day there used to be a shortkey for getting a list of shortkeys. Is there still now today?