[14:59]  * skaet waves
[14:59]  * scott-work waves back
[15:00] <tumbleweed> hi
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01]  * ScottK is here for Kubuntu - jr is out.
[15:01] <skaet> hmm... why isn't the meeting starting....
[15:01] <roadmr> bot broken?
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01] <ogra_> seems all bots are confused a bit the last days
[15:01] <skaet> appears so.
[15:01]  * ogra_ had issues in other channels with the bugbots
[15:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:01] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause and ask questions. :)
[15:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[15:01] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-04-13
[15:01] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[15:01] <tumbleweed> bot missing
[15:01] <skaet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/thread.html
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> We've now passed Final Freeze, and the archive is frozen.    Changes to the unseeded universe can continue to go in, but changes to seeded packages will need to be release critical at this point before they'll be accepted.
[15:01] <skaet> #ubuntu-release if questions, please.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Schedule is at:
[15:02] <skaet>  #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:02] <skaet> Key Upcoming Dates:
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/13 - LanguagePackTestRebuild
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/17 - LanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/19 - Release Candidate Images start
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/24 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze at 1200 UTC
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/26 - Release
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[15:02] <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[15:02] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:
[15:02] <skaet> Hardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001130.html- brendand
[15:02]  * stgraber waves
[15:02] <skaet> Quality Assurance -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001132.html - jibel
[15:02] <skaet> Security team  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001120.html - jdstrand
[15:02] <skaet> Kernel team -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001119.html- ogasawara
[15:02] <skaet> Foundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001134.html-  cjwatson
[15:02] <skaet> Server - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001136.html -arosales
[15:02] <skaet> Linaro - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001126.html  - fabo
[15:02] <skaet> Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001122.html -  joshuahoover
[15:02] <skaet> Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001124.html - pitti
[15:02] <skaet> Unity Framework Team -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001125.html - dbarth
[15:03] <skaet> Unity Services and Settings -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001129.html- Cimi
[15:03] <skaet> Kubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001133.html -  Riddell
[15:03] <skaet> Edubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001123.html- stgraber or highvoltage
[15:03] <skaet> Xubuntu -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001128.html - astraljava
[15:03] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001135.html- scott-work
[15:03] <skaet> Lubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001127.html - gilir
[15:03] <skaet> Mythbuntu -  - superm1
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> hi all,   I figure we'll just  carry on without the bot,  and use the IRC logs for this one.
[15:03]  * arosales apologies for the late submission for server
[15:03] <arosales> ..
[15:04] <skaet> Thanks to all who had their status in last night.   There were lots of late adittions,  so if something is mentioned that is in your status,  please be patient.  :)
[15:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Comments, Question and Answer Session
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> Teams are encouraged to start testing in earnest now.  We have this upcoming week to find and fix the release critical bugs.
[15:04] <cjwatson> yes, sorry, I was travelling last night
[15:04] <skaet> cjwatson, lots of meat in your, just didn't digest it all yet.  :)
[15:05] <pitti> FTR, we are this -> <- close to finishing unity 5.10, should be in precise in an hour or two
[15:05] <skaet> anyhow,   please,  please,  please... start testing the images emerging.   We need to find any blockers ASAP.
[15:06] <skaet> gilir,  is Bug:967348 a blocker for release for your team?  couldn't quite tell from your description in the weekly.
[15:07] <stgraber> bug 967348
[15:07] <gilir> skaet, not a blocker for the release, could be deal with an SRU
[15:07] <cjwatson> last I looked it wasn't actually still happening
[15:07] <skaet> thanks gilir.   noted.  :)
[15:07] <cjwatson> but I hadn't had time to do the archaeology to determine why it happened at some point in the past
[15:07] <gilir> I will check with the last ISO
[15:08] <gilir> cjwatson, I can probably workaround it by adding depends instead of recommends
[15:08] <jbicha> good morning
[15:09] <skaet> ..
[15:09] <skaet> ogra_, infinity, fabo - From fabo's status,  OpenGL ES2.0 for ARM - will we be trying for this as SRU or still trying to squeeze this in for ARM?
[15:09] <skaet> or for 10.04.1?
[15:09] <skaet> heh,  12.04.1
[15:09] <skaet> rather
[15:09] <ogra_> skaet, its all done
[15:10] <cjwatson> gilir: not entirely sure you should need to, although you guys sure do have schizophrenia about recommends :)
[15:10] <skaet> ogra_, done as in,  in and working,  or .... ?
[15:10] <skaet> :)
[15:10] <ogra_> in and building
[15:10] <ogra_> :)
[15:10] <ogra_> (and "more" working than before for sure ... )
[15:11] <skaet> ogra_  ok,  so still bugs may emerge and will be area of churn next week.   Lots of testing requested here,  yes?
[15:11] <ogra_> sure, but what we have now, even if it would be buggy is more than nothing
[15:11] <ogra_> which we had before
[15:12]  * skaet nods
[15:12] <ogra_> (nothing meaning unity immediately segfaulting)
[15:12] <skaet> ..
[15:12] <ogra_> ..
[15:12] <skaet> Late landings requested:  Desktop:Gnome 3.4.1 tarballs(4/16), Edubuntu:ldm, Server:MaaS, OpenStack, Quantum anything else?
[15:13] <pitti> langpacks, FTR
[15:13] <pitti> and apport/kerneloops for disabling for release
[15:13] <pitti> note this time we won't disable apport completely, just disable crashh reports to LP
[15:14] <pitti> we'll keep crash reports to whoopsie
[15:14] <skaet> langpacks are scheduled for 4/17  (see backscroll). :)   Will add apport/kerneloops to plan - thanks.
[15:15] <skaet> arosales, Daviey - have I caught the key server ones?  or more looming?
[15:15] <skaet> ScottK, any last ones from Kubuntu?
[15:15] <arosales> skaet: there ~may~ be a late CEPH landing, but that is still under review.
[15:15] <arosales> ..
[15:15] <skaet> noted arosales,  thanks.
[15:16] <cjwatson> we have at least one more ubiquity upload, for bug 922949
[15:16] <ScottK> skaet: No. The plymouth upload I mentioned in the mail is in queue now.
[15:16] <cjwatson> that'll be today
[15:16] <ScottK> There is potential for Active related surprises, but they would be surprises.
[15:16] <ScottK> ..
[15:16] <cjwatson> possibly update-manager changes as well
[15:17] <skaet> thanks ScottK, cjwatson, pitti.    will add that data to the list.
[15:17] <stgraber> for ldm, I've been told by the debian maintainer that he'll upload in a few hours, so I'm hoping to have the sync in the queue later today (can take a while before a debian upload is syncable though)
[15:17]  * mvo would like to get some software-center fixes in if possible, if not I will start using precise-proposed now
[15:17] <cjwatson> you can use precise-proposed anyway, and we can sync to release if there's time
[15:18]  * highvoltage is doing some Edubuntu/LTSP testing today and have a few bugs to file, nothing too serious though
[15:18] <skaet> thanks mvo,  highvoltage.
[15:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: for that installer checkbox theme, can you check if it also happens in regular (non-ubiquity) apps? (thinking of edubuntu-menueditor as a good example of a similar layout)
[15:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: if it's ubiquity-only, I should be able to do a css override to make them look right
[15:20] <stgraber> (the issue I'm referring to here is visible in
[15:20] <stgraber> http://irc.jonathancarter.org/files/temp/installer-tickmarks.png)
[15:20] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes, I'll try it out
[15:20] <skaet> ok,  will move on,  if others think of things,  please add to discussion before end of meeting.   All data is useful right now so we can navigate this upcoming week with as few bumps as possible.
[15:20] <skaet> ..
[15:20] <stgraber> (basically checkboxes in the installer look like they're inactive/grayed out when they aren't, that's minor but should be easy to override in ubiquity's css override)
[15:20] <stgraber> ..
[15:21] <ScottK> I think archive skew is our biggest near term problem.
[15:21] <ScottK> ..
[15:21] <skaet> ScottK,  arm & powerpc?   -things going into -proposed not helping?
[15:21] <skaet> can you elaborate
[15:21] <cjwatson> looks like it should catch up over the weekend
[15:22] <ScottK> Putting stuff in proposed helps at any given instant, but to get to final we still need them all built.
[15:22] <ScottK> cjwatson: Agreed.
[15:22]  * skaet nods
[15:22] <cjwatson> though much though I'm sure it's fun to beat on minority architectures, i386 is currently furthest behind :-P
[15:22] <ScottK> Part of that's the rebuild though
[15:23] <cjwatson> true
[15:23] <ScottK> We're up at or new half a week since a Universe package got built on powerpc (as an example)
[15:23] <cjwatson> still working on getting that extra powerpc buildd, apparently sulfur is now ready for installation as a livefs buildd
[15:23] <ScottK> Arm was similar until today.
[15:23] <ScottK> Cool.
[15:23] <pitti> cjwatson: we got new delta langpacks today, before i386 was fine, FTR
[15:24] <cjwatson> also I suspect the ppl build fix single-handedly set powerpc back quite a bit
[15:24] <ScottK> This was part of the genesis of my suggestion about prioritizing builds differently (watching this week)
[15:24] <ScottK> ..
[15:25] <skaet> ScottK,  I appear to have missed it in the backscrolls,  can you point me to the right location from the IRC backscrolls after the meeting, so I can catch up,  its definitely worth discussing in #ubuntu-release later.
[15:26] <skaet> ..
[15:26] <cjwatson> skaet: the prioritisation suggestion was on ubuntu-devel (e-mail)
[15:26] <cjwatson> ..
[15:26] <skaet> thanks cjwatson,  ok,  hadn't gotten to that email list yet this morning.   will follow up there.
[15:26] <skaet> ..
[15:26] <skaet> Cimi,  are the bugs listed in your summary ones that are in now,  or target for this next week and SRUs?
[15:26] <skaet>    Which are the ones that must go in (true Release Critical)?
[15:27] <Cimi> skaet, current week, utouch SRU
[15:27] <Cimi> skaet, all indicator bugs landed in the releases
[15:27] <Cimi> skaet, utouch will be proposed as SRUs
[15:28] <skaet> Cimi,  anything release critical between now and next Thursday?
[15:28] <Cimi> skaet, no, all fine
[15:29] <skaet> Cimi,  thanks.  :D  glad to hear.
[15:29] <Cimi> yw
[15:29] <skaet> ..
[15:30] <skaet> General question to each of the teams:  are there any known bugs that are NOT SRU-able, and have not been mentioned in the discussion already,  that MUST be fixed before release (ie. release critical) that are NOT on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html?
[15:31] <cjwatson> bug 980772 needs investigation from us
[15:31] <jdstrand> none from the security team
[15:31] <jibel> bug 979350 worries me
[15:31] <cjwatson> mm, I wondered if that was a webkit bug
[15:31] <jdstrand> cjwatson: this one is interesting too: bug 980835
[15:32] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I saw your discussion about that on #ubuntu-devel and was inclined to agree with what appeared to be consensus that it wasn't a real problem in practice
[15:32] <jdstrand> probably sru-able, but I'll let others decide
[15:32] <jdstrand> cjwatson: did you see my further comments in the bug?
[15:32] <cjwatson> jibel: I do most of my testing in 512MB VMs and haven't noticed that kind of slideshow memory use
[15:32] <cjwatson> jdstrand: no, I've been too busy
[15:32] <jdstrand> cjwatson: we are providing looser permissions than the udev default of 0620
[15:32] <jdstrand> and I can't see why it is justified
[15:33] <jdstrand> anyhoo, that can be looked at later
[15:33] <cjwatson> I'm not opposed to 0620 but maybe infinity can look into that, since he was already active in the discussion
[15:33] <cjwatson> (basically 'mesg y' vs. 'mesg n')
[15:34] <jdstrand> I'm fine with someone saying "Won't Fix" we want this change. it just seemed odd to override udev without a reason
[15:35] <skaet> thanks cjwatson, jibel, jdstrand.
[15:35] <skaet> ogasawara - have noted the ones you want to include if there's a good reason from your email.
[15:36] <skaet> pitti,  anything beyond what's already mentioned/in your email?
[15:36] <skaet> ogra_, anything release critical known at this point, or wait for testing mode right now?
[15:36] <pitti> skaet: not from my side; I'm not currently aware of desktop-ish RC bugs that can't be SRU, with maybe the exception of bug 942539
[15:37] <ogasawara> skaet: ack.  they're not release critical, but would be nice to have if we are forced to upload for a release critical issue.
[15:37] <pitti> ^ this has a workaround by adding some \n, but it's a bit messy
[15:37] <ogra_> skaet, testing all the way
[15:37] <pitti> I can try and look into nautilus for that, but not before Monday
[15:37] <ogra_> eventhing unity GLES releated has to be SRU now
[15:37] <cjwatson> pitti: adding some \n is an unacceptable workaround - not sustainable with translations
[15:37] <ogra_> important was that we get the infrastructure into the packages and that the patches dont make them FTBFS
[15:37] <pitti> yes, that's what I mentioned in the bug
[15:38] <cjwatson> so IMO that's not "has a workaround" :-)
[15:38] <skaet> thanks ogasawara, pitti, ogra_
[15:39] <skaet> Daviey, arosales - any release critical bugs known at this point,  that can't be SRU'd or are we waiting the results of testing.
[15:39] <skaet> ?
[15:40] <arosales> skaet: we have a few moving targets with MAAS, but it looks like we have the bits in we need. Couple of new bugs this week we are looking at. Nothing at the moment that we already haven't mentioned that needs to go in without an SRU
[15:40] <arosales> ..
[15:40] <skaet> thanks arosales.
[15:41] <skaet> dbarth,  how about your team's perspective?   nothing known other than what we find pending testing of the newest drop at this point?
[15:42]  * skaet had gotten Cimi's imput earlier.  :)
[15:42] <didrocks> skaet: nothing really worrying, we hope to be able to land fixes for bug #979770
[15:42] <didrocks> (this one has a fix and it's confirmed already)
[15:42] <didrocks> and bug #978401 which is a long bamf standing bug
[15:42] <skaet> thanks didrocks
[15:43] <didrocks> apart from that, there is no known worrying crashers for the past week on the tested version
[15:44] <skaet> ..?
[15:44] <didrocks> that's it for me ;)
[15:45] <skaet> thanks didrocks.  :)
[15:45] <didrocks> I meant, the current version in proposed is already tested for a week and we didn't get any crashers we didn't fix
[15:46] <skaet> yup.  and am keeping my fingers crossed too that no surprises show up once its in the daily images.
[15:46] <skaet> :)
[15:46] <skaet> ScottK, stgraber, highvoltage, astraljava, scott-work, gilir, superm1 - any release critical bugs on your radar not already mentioned earlier today or in the emails?
[15:46] <ScottK> Not that I know of.  There was a cluster-glue one, but that's fixed.
[15:46] <stgraber> nope
[15:47] <gilir> no
[15:48] <skaet> thanks ScottK, stgraber, gilir.    I'll follow up with the others we haven't heard from after the meeting.
[15:48] <skaet> ..
[15:48] <skaet> Does anyone have other questions to bring up?
[15:51] <scott-work> skaet: not release critical bugs of which i am aware
[15:52] <skaet> thanks scott-work
[15:52] <skaet> Ok,  before we end the meeting,  just wanted to say thank you to all the teams for the excellent work that's been going on over the last week and the bug fixes that have been coming in.    Please keep up the testing.    This release is shaping up well to be something we can all be very proud of!
[15:52] <arosales> +1
[15:53] <pitti> +1, too!
[15:53] <ogra_> ++
[15:54] <skaet> Next week will be last weekly meeting until we resume for q-series after UDS.
[15:54] <skaet> Thanks for your participation, brendand, jibel, jdstrand, cjwatson, ogra_, pitti,  arosales,  fabo, Cimi, ScottK, gilir, jbicha, ogasawara,  scott-work, didrocks.
[15:54] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:54] <pitti> thanks skaet
[15:54] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[15:54] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[15:54] <arosales> thanks for chairing skaet
[15:54] <jibel> thanks skaet
[15:54] <didrocks> thanks skaet ;)
[15:54] <Cimi> thanks!
[15:55] <stgraber> thanks
[15:55] <roadmr> skaet, thanks! heh
[15:55] <skaet> sorry roadmr,  my oops on that.
[15:55] <skaet> thanks for participating.  :)
[15:58] <scott-work> skaet: i noticed that our development (i.e. bug fixes) became rather frantic towards to the end of hte cycle, indeed, we probably had the most activity during this time
[15:58] <scott-work> skaet: is this going to be a "normal" or routine occourence?
[15:58] <jdstrand> skaet: thanks
[15:58] <scott-work> *occurrence*
[16:01] <skaet> scott-work,   there's a tension between feature creation and bug fixing, in terms of where the development focus is.
[16:02] <skaet> what we've been seeing is fairly normal, for a development only release,  less than ideal for an LTS one.
[16:03] <scott-work> skaet: i should be clearer, my focus was only intended for the ubuntu studio group, not ubuntu as a whole
[16:03] <scott-work> and i contrast this release against the recent previous releases as we actually had substantial development this cycle
[16:11] <skaet> scott-work,  :)   ah then,  yes,  pattern is normal when there's been development.
[16:44] <astraljava> skaet: Sorry I missed the meeting. No critical bugs have surfaced thus far.
[16:49] <skaet> thanks astraljava.  :)
[16:57] <bdfhjk> Hello, if someone is waiting here for Ubuntu Algorithm Classes - chat room was changed, now it is on #ubuntu-classroom
[17:30] <dbarth> skaet: sorry, was in other meetings; yes, nothing else, and what didrocks contributed in the discussion; i proposed him to attend


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[21:26] <BlueWolf> Hi I have ubuntu 10.04 installed on my laptop and I was watching a movie and it just froze, the VLC player went a black and white colour and Some thing is using a lot of ram how do I stop it?
[21:26] <BlueWolf> All I can move is the mouse
[21:28] <isnnnn> can you open your menu or terminal BlueWolf ?
[21:29] <LaughingMan> sada
[21:29] <felipe_Brz> when I run cat /proc/meminfo i see that i have only 40% of memory available but when i run top i see no processes taking that much memory... how can that be?
[21:29] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: No I cant do anything. The mouse moves slightly. I cannot access anything at all??
[21:29] <isnnnn> alt-f2 maybe?
[21:30] <atomicfusion> felipe_Brz: not to suggest that it is the kernel, as i have no diea, but maybe it's the kernel?
[21:30] <isnnnn> felipe_Brz: linux caches memory
[21:30] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: Did that, the window pops up but I can't type or anything?
[21:30] <LaughingMan> s
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[21:30] <LaughingMan> sssss
[21:30] <isnnnn> BlueWolf: try a reboot if nothing else works
[21:30] <Viking667> BlueWolf: did you clip in it?
[21:30] <isnnnn> we heard you LaughingMan
[21:30] <Viking667>  sorry, click?
[21:31] <BlueWolf>
[21:31] <BlueWolf> Viking667: clip in it?
[21:31] <Viking667> i.e. place the pointer into the window, click once, then start typing?
[21:31] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: I want to know why ubuntu does that sometimes because I is starting to bug me now.
[21:31] <BlueWolf> ?
[21:32] <BlueWolf> Viking667: It's taking about a minute to do things so no?
[21:32] <isnnnn> can be a lot of things
[21:32] <Viking667> hm. very high system load.
[21:32] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: Well what could be the most likely and how do I stop it?
[21:33] <Viking667> what's your machine specs?
[21:33] <Viking667> sorry to ask if it's been stated already, but I did come in halfway through
[21:33] <isnnnn> have you tried the latest vlc?
[21:34] <BlueWolf>
[21:34] <BlueWolf> Viking667: And stoping it. Intel Celeron.  It seem so have speeded up a lot but still jurcky?
[21:36] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: No because I am not always running VLC, it usually happens with Gimp, Firefow, Rhythmbox, banshee and empathy????
[21:37] <BlueWolf> And afew others
[21:37] <isnnnn> maybe a hardware issue?
[21:37] <isnnnn> cant it be a heat problem?
[21:40] <BlueWolf>
[21:40] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: Heat problem not, It's 8 degrees where I am, I am freezing so I'm sure the computer is too :D. And you mean to tell me that both my computers have faulty hardwere?
[21:40] <isnnnn> just guessing ;)
[21:40] <isnnnn> do you have enough memory free?
[21:40] <BlueWolf> More that enought on them both
[21:41] <BlueWolf> 1.4 gigs free on the laptop
[21:41] <Viking667> what's the system load like on both?
[21:41] <BlueWolf> and about 1.5 on this computer
[21:41] <Bodsda> Hi - I have 8GB RAM installed in this machine, but ubuntu is only seeing 3.5GB - heres the uname output if you need it - Linux Bizzare-Ubuntu 3.2.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 3 23:12:54 UTC 2012 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[21:41] <Bodsda> any ideas?
[21:42] <isnnnn> you need x64
[21:42] <Viking667> Bodsda: it's probably because you're running a 32-bit kernel without PAE
[21:42] <genii-around> Or PAE
[21:42] <Bodsda> !PAE
[21:42] <srand> I have installed ubuntu in virtualbox in my OS X to give it a try. Everything seems to be working fine, however my download speed is very slow (~100kBs). Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[21:42] <Bodsda> Viking667: cheers
[21:42] <Viking667> srand: find a better mirror?
[21:42] <srand> Vikings667 downloadspeed in general
[21:43] <Bodsda> Viking667: did that not get enabled by default at some point? Or am I thinking of the server release
[21:43] <srand> When I try to fetch packages with apt-get etc
[21:43] <Viking667> srand: hm. Not much you can do about that, I guess.
[21:43] <Viking667> Bodsda: no idea, sorry.
[21:43] <srand> I thought perhaps it had something to do with the fact that I am running it virtual
[21:43] <Viking667> Bodsda: at least you're not running debian on an older laptop.
[21:43] <Bodsda> Viking667: no, my older laptop is running Arch :)
[21:43] <Viking667> with THAT, I'm stuck with the 486 kernel until I compile one up of my own.
[21:43] <zykotick9> isnnnn: (i know what you mean/meant) but there is no such thing as x64, what you mean is x86_64 (you can verify with "uname -m" if your on amd64)
[21:44] <BlueWolf> Viking667: Not sure. Listen thatnks for the help, I really have to go. I will try and get help on this situation some other time. :D :D
[21:44] <Bodsda> zykotick9: are you gonna take MS to court and tell them that? :)
[21:44] <BlueWolf> isnnnn: Thanks too man - got to go. :D
[21:44] <zykotick9> Bodsda: like i'd care what MS thinks ;)
[21:47] <isnnnn> I work too much with ms software I guess ;)
[21:48] <sirriffsalot> When I do an "alsa_in -dhw:1" for my usb-driven amp, it works for a while and then crashes with a continuing variation of "delay=xxx" errors.. when I try to do "alsa_in -dhw:1" again the output always goes: "Unable to set hw params for playback: Input/output error Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error" Any ideas..? I'm about to give up:/
[21:49] <Viking667> sirriffsalot: hm. unplug, replug?
[21:49] <soapee01> Anybody have a trick to kill a hung dpkg process when kill -9 fails?
[21:49] <designbybeck> Best beefed up laptop i7+ 8GB+ Video 1GB+ 500gbHDD+ to run Linux on??
[21:49] <Viking667> soapee01: without rebooting? hmm.... hard drive fine?
[21:50] <soapee01> Viking667 hdd fine, but very busy atm.
[21:50] <soapee01> and cannot stop the writing process.
[21:50] <Viking667> then let it wait. what else is it doing?
[21:50] <sirriffsalot> Viking667: this happens every 10 minutes or so, I can't go on this way
[21:50] <sirriffsalot> Viking667: gotta find the cause
[21:50] <soapee01> Viking667: it's going to be waiting forever then...
[21:50] <Viking667> sirriffsalot: hm. ANd I can't help out with that, unless there's continual USB resets.
[21:51] <Viking667> IS it going through a hub?
[21:51] <Viking667> ...sorry, additional hub?
[21:51] <sirriffsalot> Viking667: it's going to the front of the computer, so no I guess?
[21:51] <isnnnn> try the back ;)
[21:51] <Viking667> sirriffsalot: probably not. hm. tried another socket?
[21:51] <zykotick9> soapee01: that is a sudo kill -9 right?
[21:51] <sirriffsalot> Might as well try again........
[21:51] <Viking667> isnnnn beat me to it
[21:51] <isnnnn> hehe
[21:51] <soapee01> zykotick9 of course
[21:52] <zykotick9> soapee01: is this a lock issues?  or is dpkg still actually running?
[21:52] <sirriffsalot> But my keyboard is going via an additional set of hubs, as well as my keyboard, both plugged to the front, no problems with them
[21:52] <soapee01> zykotick9 ps aux says it's running.
[21:52] <patrunjel> Hi, I'm trying to get my PC to work as an alarm clock (don't ask :D ), i got all the BIOS stuff done, now I just don't know how can I make Ubuntu land straight into an extremely unprivileged user mode ( I just need a music player, not even a GUI or networking), without prompting for password (kinda how Winblows does when you have only one user with no password). Any ideas, please?
[21:53] <DrHalan> is anybody using precise with btrfs? just wondering how the situation is
[21:53] <isnnnn> patrunjel: single user mode
[21:53] <sirriffsalot> Now "lsusb" is taking forever just to display output...
[21:53] <zykotick9> soapee01: will "sudo killall dpk<TAB>" autocomplete to something?
[21:54] <sirriffsalot> Honestly, what is it with me and linux
[21:54] <soapee01> zykotick9: nope. also kill -9 `pgrep dpkg`;pgrep dpkg
[21:54] <soapee01> ; returns: 15334
[21:54] <jayar> where do i extract gnome themes
[21:54] <sirriffsalot> This is ridiculous, the output won't come, and doing control + c to kill the current command gives no hope either,  have to kill the terminal itself
[21:55] <atomicfusion> patrunjel: isn't there an autologin option under administration>login screen?
[21:55] <patrunjel> isnnnn, yeah, I thought about it but landing straight into root after every power-up seemed a funky idea. Anyways, thanks for the tip, unless I get any other responses I'm going with that
[21:55] <patrunjel> atomicfusion, is it? :)) let me check :D
[21:55] <zykotick9> soapee01: can you ubuntu.paste "ps aux | grep dpkg"
[21:56] <patrunjel> atomicfusion, thanks :D
[21:57] <soapee01> zykotick9: from what ma google says this could be related to heavy disk activity (which I have).  but I really need this process to die and cannot reboot. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1024021/
[21:57] <Rajvi> Hi all
[21:58] <faryshta> How can I UNINSTALL oracle-java7-installer? When I try I get this error E: oracle-java7-installer: the subprocess el script pre-removal returned error code 2
[21:59] <slyborg> hi sorry to be lazy and not search myself but which channel can i go to thats a general linux help channel or specifically for issues relating to Tails linux?
[21:59] <zykotick9> soapee01: and "sudo kill -9 15334" then "ps aux | grep dpkg" does it still show?  (this is going to create a lock issue, if successful)
[21:59] <soapee01> It will not succeed
[22:00] <Alan502> I connected a playstation dancepad through a usb adapter to my computer, it shows up in lsusb as ID 0810:0001 Personal Communication Systems, Inc. Dual PSX Adaptor but when I use jtest it doesn't seem to receive any events? help please!
[22:00] <cpet> Alan502: you already asked if no one knows no one will answer google the issue
[22:00] <zykotick9> soapee01: i cannot remember the last time -9 failed on someone on my own system... well best of luck - i don't have any other suggestions.
[22:00] <DJones> slyborg: https://tails.boum.org/support/index.en.html Their IRC channel is listed on this page
[22:00] <zykotick9> s/someone/something/
[22:01] <soapee01> zykotik9 same here.
[22:01] <slyborg> DJones: cheers!
[22:03] <Alan502> cpet, I have been googling since I first asked :(
[22:03] <Alan502> cpet, there is this one guy who apparently wrote a patch
[22:03] <cpet> and?
[22:03] <Alan502> cpet,  but it is for the joydev.c file which does not exist in ubuntu?
[22:04] <Alan502> apparently it only exists on other linux distributinos
[22:04] <cpet> then install the other distro? or patch the kernel manually which is a pain in ubuntu
[22:04] <cpet> but doable
[22:05] <Alan502> but i like ubuntu
[22:05] <Alan502> i don't wanna change to other distro
[22:05] <Alan502> :(
[22:05] <Viking667> huh?
[22:05] <zykotick9> Alan502: "ls /dev/input/js*" will show all josysticks, starting with js0.  you can test with "cat /dev/input/js0" and pressing buttons/directions should echo random characters to the terminal.  use ctrl+c to quit (also, it might mess up you terminal and you'd need to start a new one)
[22:05] <Viking667> I have a joydev here on ubuntu
[22:06] <Viking667> modprobe joydev (I think), or check whether your soundcard/whatever has support
[22:06] <KorvinSzanto> how can I force avconv to not obliterate video quality when converting?
[22:06] <kdsmain> does anyone know how to keep the dots from the login screen on the normal desktop? or know where i might go to find out?
[22:06] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: is avconv the ffmepg fork/thing?  what are you converting to/from?
[22:07] <Viking667> kdsmain: you're usually starting up X by that stage?
[22:07] <nobby4587> i have some seriou problem, can someone hel me?
[22:07] <KorvinSzanto> anything - ogg
[22:07] <KorvinSzanto> and yes
[22:07] <kdsmain> viking667: don't know what X is
[22:07] <zykotick9> webm is way better then ogm in my opinion (for video) - if you want a free/libre format.
[22:08] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: ^
[22:08] <Viking667> sorry, Xorg - the bit that gives you your pretty GUI on older Ubuntu. No idea for 12.04, I'm assuming it's still there
[22:08] <Viking667> put it this way. Are you running a pure text login?
[22:08] <kdsmain> no
[22:08] <kdsmain> i think it's the unity-greeter
[22:08] <KorvinSzanto> looks like anything - anything is terrible
[22:08] <Viking667> check out what /var/log/messages says. Should duplicate (roughly) what you want to see.
[22:09] <KorvinSzanto> can anyone suggest a better cli conversion software?
[22:09] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: the codec for OGG video is pretty old/outdated
[22:09] <KorvinSzanto> flv - mp4 tears the quality down aswell
[22:09] <Viking667> KorvinSzanto: what's wrong with mencoder?
[22:09] <kdsmain> Viking667: says no such file or directory
[22:09] <Viking667> that's .... weird.
[22:09] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: flv is java garbage, mp4 can do HD video (depends on your settings)
[22:10] <Viking667> kdsmain: do you have a /var/log directory?
[22:10] <KorvinSzanto> I'm testing out mencoder
[22:10] <kdsmain> Viking667: i do
[22:10] <majuscule> I'm trying to configure a third monitor and have noticed that with the "fglrx" driver, monitors 1 & 2 work, and with "radeon" monitors 1&3 work!
[22:10] <Viking667> kdsmain: hm.
[22:10] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: i use handbrake-cli for 90+% of my encoding, which is HD source -> mp4
[22:10] <Viking667> majuscule: does the ccc see your third monitor?
[22:10] <kdsmain> Viking667: i think the login screen has something to do with lightdm
[22:11] <tbrwon> I was wondering what is the sudo apt-get install for a terminal
[22:11] <majuscule> Viking667: what is the ccc?
[22:11] <Viking667> it does, yes.
[22:11] <Viking667> majuscule: the ATI control centre.
[22:11] <kdsmain> i can find tutorials on how to remove the dots, but not extend them into post-login use
[22:11] <cordoval> hi
[22:11] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: i WISH i could get similar quality in a libre format!  i used to use webm, but it was a HUGE pain and the quality wasn't close.  ogv was much worse.
[22:11] <Viking667> kdsmain: so what you want, is to not see lightdm?
[22:12] <tbrwon> How can I install a terminal on ubuntu using sudo apt-get install. Does anyone know how to:)
[22:12] <cordoval> my mouse is flickering, gets recognized work ok then i unplug it and plug it back and it does not get recognized anymore
[22:12] <majuscule> Viking667: amdcccle? yes it does, but i can't seem to configure it
[22:12] <Viking667> tbrwon: yes.
[22:12] <cordoval> the led lights lit up while i am pluggin but then they shun down
[22:12] <Viking667> majuscule: what dose it complain about?
[22:12] <cordoval> what can i ctry?
[22:12] <KorvinSzanto> I need to convert videos on the fly for a client
[22:12] <zykotick9> tbrwon: what to you mean by "terminal" (it's very unclear what you want)
[22:12] <Viking667> KorvinSzanto: from what to ... ogv?
[22:12] <KorvinSzanto> so I need to have some sort of system software that will convert without losing too much quality
[22:12] <kdsmain> Viking667: no there is a "display-grid=true" line in the unity-greeter which shows dots at the login and i'm wondering if there's a way to keep them showing after the login screen
[22:12] <KorvinSzanto> anything that they put in Viking667
[22:12] <kdsmain> normally they disappear
[22:13] <KorvinSzanto> mostly mp4 or flv
[22:13] <tbrwon> vikiing667: Can you give me a command or sudo apt-get install
[22:13] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: isn't there an oggconvert gui converter or something?
[22:13] <KorvinSzanto> can't be gui
[22:13] <zykotick9> KorvinSzanto: ahhh, ffmpeg (or avconv whatever) is probably your best bet
[22:14] <KorvinSzanto> right
[22:14] <KorvinSzanto> so back to my original question
[22:14] <KorvinSzanto> how can I get it to not suck
[22:14] <cordoval> ?
[22:14] <Viking667> tbrwon: you should already HAVE a terminal, if you're able to type stuff in.
[22:15] <Viking667> kdsmain: what the heck do you mean about dots? Now you have me lost.
[22:15] <kdsmain> Viking667: one sec
[22:15] <Alan502> zykotick9, sorry, I disconnected. did you see my last message?
[22:16] <Viking667> kdsmain: in fact, if you were able to show me a screenshot of what you meant, I might have a better idea.
[22:16] <tbrwon> vikiing667: If I  been asking for a terminal application to install on my linux base system why am I asking I cealy dont have one.
[22:16] <zykotick9> Alan502: i don't see it in scrollback?
[22:16] <kdsmain> Viking667: yeah i'm looking for one now
[22:16] <cordoval> how to fix my mouse problem?
[22:16] <patrunjel> Do you guys happen to know how do I make Rhythmbox / Banshee start playing automatically whichever files I tell it to?
[22:16] <Alan502> zykotick9, the thing is, it displays that the joystick  is connected (both js0 and js1 show up when i ls /dev/input/js*) but it does not seem to send any event to the computer (no characters appear, nothing shows up in jtest either) but I guess it works because the dancepad has some lights that turn on each time i press a button
[22:16] <majuscule> Viking667: it simply does not have any effect. I set all displays to "multi display/multi desktop" hit apply and restart X. I end up with 2 cloned displays... it's bizarre, it looks right in the GUI
[22:17] <kdsmain> Viking667: http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/ugreeter.%204.png
[22:17] <zykotick9> Alan502: do you have 1 or 2 dance mats (or other controllers) currently plugged in?
[22:17] <majuscule> Viking667: but when I open amdcccle again it shows the first two overlapping and cloned and the third disabled (which is accurate as to what it is actually doing)
[22:17] <zykotick9> Alan502: i didn't see that before!
[22:17] <kdsmain> Viking667: apparently they annoy people a lot, but I like them
[22:18] <Viking667> hm. I'd rat around on your system to see if such a png exists that has the dots.
[22:18] <Alan502> zykotick9, only one! but two show up
[22:19] <zykotick9> Alan502: start with one!  remove all joysticks. "ls /dev/input/js*" should show nothing!  then plug one in - js0 should appear.  so test with "cat /dev/input/js0" then use that mat and see if garbage types on the screen.
[22:19] <Viking667> Anyhow, I'd best depart
[22:19] <majuscule> Viking667: :-(
[22:19] <Viking667> I'm getting completely distracted by what everyone else is asking, and can't even remember what I came here for to begin with.
[22:19] <Alan502> zykotick9, unplugged: ls: cannot access /dev/input/js*: No such file or directory
[22:20] <majuscule> Viking667: :D thanks anyway
[22:20] <Viking667> majuscule: weird.
[22:20] <zykotick9> Alan502: good so far ;)
[22:20] <Alan502> zykotick9, plugged: /dev/input/js0  /dev/input/js1
[22:20] <kdsmain> Viking667: kk well thank you
[22:20] <kdsmain> aw
[22:20] <Alan502> zykotick9, when I start to cat a set of random characters appear at once, without me pressing any buttons
[22:21] <zykotick9> Alan502: do you see js1? - why to it show 2?  does this psx-controller-adapter have two ports?
[22:21] <zykotick9> Alan502: that can be a bad sign!
[22:21] <zykotick9> Alan502: random characters, with nothing being pushes still means the input is getting random signals.
[22:22] <Alan502> zykotick9, it only has one port, it's weird. Let me try plugging just the adapter without the dance mat attached
[22:22] <buddyigin> hi everybody!7
[22:23] <buddyigin> i have a serious question
[22:23] <zykotick9> Alan502: are the characters scrolling in real time?  or did you just get a "blob" of them once?  if you use the mat to more characters appear?
[22:23] <faryshta> How can I UNINSTALL oracle-java7-installer? When I try I get this error E: oracle-java7-installer: the subprocess el script pre-removal returned error code 2
[22:23] <buddyigin> is someone reading me?
[22:24] <Alan502> zykotick9, i just get a blob of them at once
[22:24] <zykotick9> Alan502: FYI psx->usb adapters some work with dance-mats (accept two inputs at once) but most don't :(  [oh god, my ddr secret is out ;)]
[22:24] <Alan502> zykotick9, i just tried plugging the adapter without the dance mat and both js0 and js1 keep showing up. and when I cat js0 and js1 the blob keeps appearing although with diffrent random characters than with the dancemat connected
[22:25] <Alan502> zykotick9, hahaha
[22:25] <Alan502> i see
[22:25] <buddyigin> i'm experiencing some problem with the copy of some file
[22:25] <Alan502> zykotick9, ddr fan?
[22:25] <zykotick9> Alan502: shhh!
[22:25] <buddyigin> zykotick9: yo you too? ddr or pump it up? :D
[22:26] <zykotick9> stepmania ftw
[22:26] <Alan502> hahaha
[22:26] <Alan502> xD
[22:26] <buddyigin> zykotick9: stepmania rapsody or dancemat?
[22:26] <zykotick9> buddyigin: i have no idea what rapsody is...
[22:27] <buddyigin> zykotick9: rapsody is with keyboard :)
[22:27] <zizoo> Hey, how can I split output from a mkfifo pipe handle? I want to send the output to multiple (variable number of) places as needed for remote displays and monitoring processes....
[22:28] <zykotick9> buddyigin: i see.  no, i got dance mats (how many i've gone through is shocking ;)  but i haven't played in too long.
[22:28] <dariusz_> sa ludki z polski
[22:28] <zizoo> Or maybe it's the input that's messing up on me. It's kinda bugging out a bit since I started messing with it. ._.;
[22:28] <dariusz_> ?
[22:28] <buddyigin> zykotick9: aaaaah :) i use keyboard :D i completed Afronova 9 step :P
[22:29] <zykotick9> !pl | dariusz_ i hope this is correct, it might not be.
[22:29] <buddyigin> can someone please help me?
[22:29] <zykotick9> buddyigin: impossible on mat!
[22:30] <buddyigin> zykotick9: indeed :D it has 3 step combo
[22:31] <mr_dallas> I'm having problems building cdfs-src on 12.04  - any advice / opinions?
[22:31] <zykotick9> buddyigin: i guess that's what arms and hands are for ;)  </OT>
[22:31] <zizoo> Ok, I think I can fix it now. I just need a secondary mkfifo handle. But it's a temporary solution, and not so good if I want to have multiple monitors running.... Any tips?
[22:31] <zizoo> Or should I probably go to a bash scripting channel? ^^;;
[22:31] <zizoo> Do we have one of those?
[22:31] <zykotick9> #bash ftw
[22:31] <zizoo> Woo! Thanks.
[22:32] <faryshta> I am getting an error "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2" everytime I use apt-get.
[22:32] <faryshta> Don't google it, doesn't work.
[22:32] <buddyigin> zykotick9: yup :P irather say FINGER :D
[22:33] <celso> Hi all! people, if i want to install ubuntu, (not by USC), in wich directory should i install to get the laucher on Games? maybe in /opt?
[22:33] <skynetducky> when installing via the minimal ubuntu iso  , is it possible to change dns info before the install ?
[22:34] <skynetducky> i want to use google dns
[22:34] <celso> wait... wait
[22:34] <celso> my mistake
[22:34] <celso> *if i want to install Amnesia ttd on ubuntu!
[22:35] <Bodsda> skynetducky: no, you'll have to change it after install, but it's a trivial change
[22:35] <Orphite> #ubuntu-beginners
[22:35] <celso> no matter in wich directory i install it?
[22:36] <skynetducky> Bodsda:   oh :-( , my router keeps wanting ipv6 so dns resolution is super slow that's why i wanted to use for examble google dns so i could install it faster, it's gonna take hours :-(
[22:36] <skynetducky> thanks anyway
[22:36] <Bodsda> skynetducky: for the install session, do you get the option to configure the network?
[22:36] <skynetducky> Bodsda: I think so
[22:37] <skynetducky> sorry i just stopped the installation so i'll have to try again
[22:37] <celso> people, if i want to install Amnesia TDD on ubuntu, (not by USC), in wich directory should i install to get the laucher on Games? maybe in /opt?
[22:37] <Bodsda> skynetducky: part of that configuration should probably be dns then
[22:37] <skynetducky> Bodsda: yeah  okay so i'll look into that thanks!
[22:37] <Bodsda> celso: it's irrelevant - the post install scripts will do that if that's what the developers intended
[22:38] <majuscule> What can I do to get 3 monitors working? My tty clones on monitor 1&3, xorg.conf (with radeon driver) shows on 1&2 and the fglrx driver shows 1&3!
[22:38] <majuscule> amdcccle has no effect
[22:39] <OerHeks> celso according to http://ubuntuisit.blogspot.nl/2010/10/amnesia-dark-descent-install-tutorial.html your choise /opt/ is oke
[22:39] <celso> Bodsda: thanks! that is what i would like to know. Ty!
[22:39] <celso> OerHeks : thanks!
[22:40] <Bodsda> majuscule: when I last tried 3 monitors, I saw errors saying my GPU couldn't output to 3 seperate displays, you may need to gfx cards
[22:40] <majuscule> Bodsda: i have two cards
[22:40] <Bodsda> 2*
[22:41] <rolandb> can anyone point me to an article or link explaining how to MANUALLY create a grub entry for the lubuntu installer? I want to put it on its own partition, on a USB bootstick... all the articles refer to some universal tool that just doesnt suit my purposes
[22:42] <Bodsda> majuscule: ah, that's all I've got I'm afraid. sorry
[22:42] <majuscule> Bodsda: np, thanks!
[22:42] <Bodsda> rolandb: grub 1 or 2?
[22:43] <escott> rolandb, /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[22:43] <faryshta> I am getting an error "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2" everytime I use apt-get. Google doesn't work here.
[22:43] <Bodsda> rolandb: and, lubuntu 'installer' - can't you just use unetbootin to extract the iso to the usb?
[22:43] <Bodsda> faryshta: googles working fine for me
[22:45] <nsbig> Hello all.
[22:45] <nsbig> Where do I download packages for PAM?
[22:46] <nsbig> Specifically, the shared object (.so) files?
[22:46] <motherbrain> I am using wireshark and for capture devices I see eth0 , lo , , usb bus 1-5 basically I want to capture only my bluetooth packets ... my bluetooth devices is plugged into a usb port and the headset is able to send and receive audio to and from the computer I just want to capture those packets is there a setting in wireshark or do I have to set a filter by a mac address of the device or something?
[22:46] <EuroNerd> How can I fix my 12.04 to display my users' wallpapers in the login screen again?  Because now it's the old violet one.  (It works this way since a couple of ill-fated experiments with graphics drives.)
[22:47] <nsbig> Hello, is anybody in here?
[22:47] <Bodsda> motherbrain: yeah, you need a filter
[22:47] <ki7rw> anyone know why my wireless connection won't start at boot up? i have it configured to connect but it appears that my hardware wireless switch is turned off at boot - all the time
[22:48] <nsbig> ki7rw -- have you checked the HCL for ubuntu?
[22:48] <motherbrain> so should it be eth0 for the capture device or a usb 1 - 5 because I tried some of the usb and nothing yet
[22:48] <escott> faryshta, you can modify the offending script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postrm after determining what is causing the exit 2 to occur and then the removal should go smoothly
[22:48] <ki7rw> it's the iwlwifi driver so it's not an hcl issue
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> rolandb  scroll down to point 5, it may be useful http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[22:50] <nsbig> quit
[22:51] <EuroNerd> How can I fix my 12.04 to display my users' wallpapers in the login screen again?  Because now it's the standard violet one.  (It works this way since a couple of ill-fated experiments with graphics drives.)
[22:51] <faryshta> escott, the package oracle-java7-installer is causing it. What should I delete?
[22:52] <faryshta> Bodsda, so what did Google told you about my problem?
[22:52] <escott> faryshta, the simplest thing would be to comment "set -e" out of the script so any intermediate error will not cause it to fail
[22:54] <jgrevich> it seems opencl apps require a xwindow to be open?  how can I do this from a remote terminal?  The apps work fine when I access them via the local terminal at the machine, but not via ssh
[22:55] <Bodsda> faryshta: that it is a problem with a partly removed package - the first 3 hits look promising
[22:56] <faryshta> Bodsda, promising doesn't mean useful. I tried them. Thank you.
[23:01] <Alan502> I connected a playstation dancepad through a usb adapter to my computer, it shows up in lsusb as ID 0810:0001 Personal Communication Systems, Inc. Dual PSX Adaptor but when I use jtest it doesn't seem to receive any events? help please!
[23:01] <jagginess> Alan502, not our fault you dont know how to dance.
[23:02] <ChrisFromTheBay> Hey guys, I'm having an issue... certain pages on my site are timing out with 20+ concurrent users. Any advice on how to track down what's going on? Thx
[23:05] <KorvinSzanto> Alan502, use evtest
[23:07] <KorvinSzanto> how can I send events to a device?
[23:08] <escott> KorvinSzanto, "to" a device?
[23:08] <KorvinSzanto> yes
[23:08] <Boohbah> ChrisFromTheBay: check your logs
[23:08] <KorvinSzanto> heh
[23:08] <stef1a> why does my ubuntu 12.04 monitor auto-adjust the brightness when i switch between windows, and how can i stop this (i.e. keep a fixed brightness level)?
[23:08] <KorvinSzanto> I have a button on my keyboard I'd like to trigger
[23:09] <Alan502> jagginess, lol
[23:09] <escott> KorvinSzanto, you mean you want to emulate a button?
[23:09] <KorvinSzanto> eys
[23:09] <KorvinSzanto> yes
[23:09] <KorvinSzanto> I haven't done any hacking like this before
[23:10] <zykotick9> Alan502: do you see the "..Inc. Dual PSX.." it does have two plugs
[23:10] <gartral> hey all, I'm installing on a new system, and I can't remember the keyboard combo too get into the info screen from the loading "dots"
[23:10] <escott> KorvinSzanto, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/xte.1.html
[23:11] <gartral> isn't it ctrl-alt-f2?
[23:11] <escott> stef1a, "between windows" what do you mean
[23:12] <yeats> gartral: what do you mean by "the info screen"?
[23:12] <stef1a> escott: minimize a window, maximize another one...
[23:12] <escott> stef1a, and that changes the backlight?
[23:12] <stef1a> escott: yes sir.
[23:12] <gartral> yeats: I remember a while ago, I could bring up a screen with info on what's happening with the loading process when booting from CD.. I never knew the proper name for it
[23:13] <zykotick9> gartral: the origional loading dots aren't at the terminal level.  just sayin.  have you tried nomodeset?  it's probably the most common kernel/boot issue right now.
[23:13] <escott> stef1a, thats crazy. are you sure its not just reducing the backlight until there is some mouse or keyboard activity
[23:13] <stef1a> escott: absolutely sure
[23:13] <stef1a> the weird thing though is that it only happens sometimes
[23:13] <escott> stef1a, never heard of that problem before
[23:14] <yeats> gartral: ah - gotcha
[23:14] <yeats> gartral: so it's not fully loading and you're trying to find out why?
[23:14] <psusi> stef1a, does the contents of the windows matter?  for instance, one makes the screen mostly black, and the other is full of bright colors?
[23:14] <Macaroni> does anyone know if Opera's private browsing function writes anything (cookies, history etc) to the hard drive, then deletes it when you quit the session, or is everything kept in RAM?
[23:15] <gartral> yeats: yep
[23:15] <ShinyObjects> Macaroni: You could always use iotop or lsof and test.
[23:15] <rlrosa> #gpsd
[23:15] <ShinyObjects> Or make everything in ~/.opera (or wherever it keeps its stuff) read only while it's running and find out :)
[23:15] <motherbrain> well, I found with wireshark packets are being sent on usb 5 port/device and also lsusb gives http://pastebin.com/rqWK7gue so I can only guess the bluetooth packets are there somewhere?
[23:16] <zykotick9> with chromium/firefox why use a non-free browser?
[23:16] <KorvinSzanto> escott, not sure how to trigger non-standard keyboard keys
[23:16] <Macaroni> ShinyObjects: i might try that, thanks
[23:16] <ShinyObjects> if it eats crap and crashes, looks like it was probably trying to write something,  yep!
[23:16] <yeats> gartral: ctrl-alt-F1 (through F7 or F8) will get you to the ttys if the system has loaded enough
[23:16] <GNSTalk> Gents, is there a way to backup an entire HDD (with Windows 7 and Ubuntu) into another HDD? I'm thinking of moving from 250GB into 1TB but don't want to go through the installation process again! Thanks!
[23:16] <escott> KorvinSzanto, like what?
[23:17] <motherbrain> though I only see packets that say usb urb
[23:17] <KorvinSzanto> type 4 (EV_MSC), code 4 (MSC_SCAN), value a8
[23:17] <ShinyObjects> GNSTalk: you could try dd'ing everything over
[23:17] <yeats> gartral: from there you should be able to 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' or somesuch to see what
[23:17] <KorvinSzanto> escott
[23:17] <yeats> gartral: 's going on
[23:17] <KorvinSzanto> that's the output from evtest
[23:17] <zykotick9> GNSTalk: the clonezilla livecd should be able to move one driver (with all partitions) to another one.  (have backups ;)
[23:17] <ShinyObjects> Then boot off a liveCD or the like and resize the partitions
[23:17] <ShinyObjects> Or just make a new partition on the last 750 gigs
[23:17] <escott> KorvinSzanto, what key do you want to emulate?
[23:17] <sbattey_> GNS3Talk I honestly think it would be easiest to do a fresh install
[23:17] <GNS3Talk> zykotick9: Does it come in Ubuntu 12.04 CD?
[23:17] <KorvinSzanto> a non standard key, I can't really tell you the key without you seeing the keyboard
[23:17] <zykotick9> GNS3Talk: i agree with sbattey_ fresh install ftw
[23:18] <KorvinSzanto> it enables/disabled the system fan
[23:18] <GNS3Talk> sbattey_: I just did a fresh install yesterday :\
[23:18] <sbattey_> GNS3Talk: Cloning a hard drive takes a very long time and it isn';t always successful :\
[23:18] <yeats> GNS3Talk: clonezilla will do what you're after
[23:18] <gartral> yeats: It froxe..
[23:18] <KorvinSzanto> toggles would be a better word for that
[23:18] <gartral> froze*
[23:18] <GNS3Talk> yeats: Thanks mate.
[23:18] <sbattey_> GNS3Talk good luck!
[23:18] <zykotick9> GNS3Talk: clonezilla is a livecd on it's own, like norton ghost kinda.  even supports network install i hear.  not ubuntu related thus OT.
[23:18] <yeats> gartral: you might try the alternate installer
[23:18] <yeats> !alternate | gartral
[23:18] <GNS3Talk> zykotick9: Alright I get it.
[23:18] <GNS3Talk> zykotick9: Thanks
[23:18] <escott> KorvinSzanto, thats an acpi function. its not a key that hits the input layer at any point. find the file in /sys and then use "sudo tee " to force a value to the file
[23:19] <eoss> Hello, in resolv.conf, DNS ips, which one takes priority?
[23:19] <motherbrain> there is an application part to these packets so maybe this is where the bluetooth packet is contained but I was hopeing that wireshark would show me the packet structure of bluetooth data / headers for research purposes but maybe you need a built in blue tooth transciever to do this and not a usb one.... since maybe the wireshark program doesn't analysis the structure of the usb data /bluetooth as I would expect
[23:19] <gartral> yeats: Out of CD-Rs. and no flash drive boots on this system
[23:19] <KorvinSzanto> escott, I don't quite understand
[23:19] <ShinyObjects> GNS3Talk: another fun tip if you need to duplicate your setup on another machine....
[23:20] <KorvinSzanto> the key works fine
[23:20] <GNS3Talk> ShinyObjects: what is it?
[23:20] <fraterm> there is a usb bus analyzer in the software pool
[23:20] <fraterm> i forget the name.
[23:20] <ShinyObjects> GNS3Talk: not as good as cloning, but using dpkg --get-selections
[23:20] <fraterm> motherbrain: see above.
[23:20] <ShinyObjects> so something like dpkg --get-selections > packageList.txt
[23:20] <GNS3Talk> Okay
[23:21] <motherbrain> anybody out there a blue to expert
[23:21] <ShinyObjects> then copy packageList.txt over to the new machine
[23:21] <KorvinSzanto> escott, how can I find the file?
[23:21] <KorvinSzanto> what am I looking for
[23:21] <zykotick9> eoss: 12.04 perhaps changed some of that behaviour (i'm under the impression resolv.conf doesn't believe like it used to).  i'm interested to see answers to your question (it's certainly ubuntu specific)
[23:21] <ShinyObjects> and dpkg --set-selections < packageList.txt
[23:21] <fraterm> :( --unexpert.
[23:21] <ShinyObjects> It'll install all the stuff you manually installed on your old setup :)
[23:21] <ShinyObjects> Super slick
[23:21] <escott> KorvinSzanto, i have no idea honestly. you might want to google for your laptop brand and "acpi linux /sys fancontrol" there may be a utility that will do this for you more easily
[23:21] <GNS3Talk> ShinyObjects: Do I need two seperate PCs in this case?
[23:22] <zykotick9> eoss: s/believe/behave/
[23:22] <ShinyObjects> GNS3Talk: nope. Just copy packageList.txt onto a thumb drive or the like
[23:22] <escott> KorvinSzanto, here are some examples http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed
[23:22] <eoss> hmm
[23:22] <GNS3Talk> Okay thanks ShinyObjects
[23:22] <motherbrain> "there is a usb bus analyzer in the software pool" which repo am I looking for it in?
[23:22] <ShinyObjects> Then boot into your new install and run the 2nd command
[23:22] <yeats> gartral: any of these options possible?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installation_without_a_CD
[23:22] <ShinyObjects> You bet, GNS3Talk. It's saved me a lot of time whenever I start up a new web server or something and cloning isn't an option
[23:23] <peay> can someone help me with an issue im having?
[23:23] <ShinyObjects> Copy over everything in /home, run the dpkg, and maybe a file or two from /etc and you've got 99 percent of the work done
[23:23] <eoss> zykotick9: i found this http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/resolver.5.html
[23:23] <zykotick9> eoss: that's for lucid - probably doesn't apply
[23:23] <jagginess> !ask
[23:24] <fraterm> motherbrain, also here http://bluez.org/download There is a bluetooth data dump and protocol analysis tarball there.
[23:24] <peay> how can i fix my touchpda
[23:24] <peay> pad*
[23:24] <jagginess> peay, laptop?
[23:24] <XiRoN> Hey guys I have a network system I want to test for stress by sending large packets of information to the host, does anyone know of any software I could use for this?
[23:25] <peay> yes
[23:25] <jagginess> peay, there are different laptops
[23:25] <peay> its a clickpad
[23:25] <eoss> zykotick9: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man5/resolver.5.html
[23:25] <escott> XiRoN, you can specify payload size with ping
[23:25] <zykotick9> eoss: that's probably better ;)
[23:25] <jagginess> peay, well if you knew the laptop model, i think that might help
[23:25] <peay> right and left click work but the buttons are registering the cursor
[23:25] <eoss> just noticed you can switch from different versions at the top
[23:25] <giga> XiRoN,Just try nmap
[23:25] <peay> hp dv-6 3122us
[23:26] <XiRoN> escott, I want to attempt to inject 100Mbits of data into my host
[23:26] <XiRoN> escott, Will ping really do anythin?
[23:26] <fraterm> motherbrain, to your earlier query, the software I saw is called vusb-analyzer it doesn't directly trace usb data, you'd need a hardware analyzer to capture data for it, or vmware.
[23:26] <KorvinSzanto> escott, I have another question
[23:27] <escott> XiRoN, i thought you were trying to determine MTU. no ping will not work for what you are proposing
[23:27] <gartral> yeats: Nope.
[23:27] <jagginess> peay, i dont understand the problem.
[23:27] <KorvinSzanto> I have an eject button that sends an event, however it doesn't actually do anything
[23:27] <KorvinSzanto> running eject works
[23:27] <XiRoN> I want to see how much data my server can handle before it becomes unresponsive.
[23:27] <KorvinSzanto> but I'd like to map it to that key
[23:27] <XiRoN> I want to see how much incoming data my server can handle before it becomes unresponsive.
[23:27] <escott> KorvinSzanto, so it sends an event you see in xev
[23:27] <KorvinSzanto> yes
[23:27] <KorvinSzanto> evtest
[23:28] <XiRoN> escott:  I want to see how much incoming data my server can handle before it becomes unresponsive.
[23:28]  * XiRoN is sorry for spamming that
[23:28] <escott> XiRoN, ok. what protocol is the service you are testing?
[23:28] <gartral> yeats: Here's the deal, It's a Dell Latitude d610.. it's loading up to the point where the dots turn orange, and freezing up..
[23:28] <motherbrain> do you guys know of a good hardware analysiser for the most general interfaces ... I love wire shark but it is mainly geared for just networking based hardware
[23:28] <peay> is there a way to prevent the bottom 1/4 of my touchpad from moving the mouse
[23:28] <peay> or cursor
[23:28] <XiRoN> I just want to test the websocket, HTTP.
[23:29] <escott> KorvinSzanto, if it appears in xev you should be able to map it to a command in the keyboard shortcuts
[23:29] <Boohbah> motherbrain: an oscilloscope
[23:29] <KorvinSzanto> no keyboard buttons show up in xev
[23:29] <escott> XiRoN, you could use something like curl
[23:29] <KorvinSzanto> scratch that
[23:29] <KorvinSzanto> they do
[23:29] <XiRoN> escott, Really? :O
[23:29] <KorvinSzanto> not that one though
[23:30] <escott> XiRoN, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9485157/wwwcurl-how-to-upload-post-large-files
[23:30] <escott> KorvinSzanto, the question is if this eject key is a key or an acpi function.
[23:30] <KorvinSzanto> I see
[23:31] <FoolsRun> Hey, does anyone know how to install Psychonauts from the Humble Indie Bundle?
[23:31] <KorvinSzanto> it doesn't show up in xev but it shows up in evtest
[23:31] <FoolsRun> I have psychonauts-installer but it doesn't execute
[23:32] <snowveil___> I just installed 12.04 64-bit desktop edition, and this is my first time using Unity (ran 11.04 previously), I have two windows of Xchat and one of Google chrome that I cannot "access" with the launcher menu on the right, how do I recover them and prevent this from happening again?
[23:32] <peay> jagginess: is there a way to prevent the bottom 1/4 of my touchpad from moving the mouse
[23:32] <escott> KorvinSzanto, if it appears in evtest you should be able to use that
[23:33] <Froodle> How can I remove "Show Desktop" from the alt-tab listings?  (Ubuntu 12.04)
[23:33] <KorvinSzanto> brb
[23:34] <DaEvil> can a get a better alt-tab? i get problems to switch from one terminal window to another
[23:34] <jagginess> peay, actually i covered this slightly long ago with someone, yes you can configure zones, but I do not remember exactly what is used (or if it does the job exactly like its supposed to) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad  (it may be synclient)
[23:34] <tbrwon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfwMfhGzcls
[23:35] <motherbrain> "motherbrain: an oscilloscope" well ya, that would do it but that was a bit over kill since I would rather have a software/ program out there to convert it to readable text from voltage pulses ... which in general a  oscilloscope you would have to watch and record the signal / translate it from waves to 1/0's then to ascii ,...etc This is a little bit over kill... I just want a program that you can easyilly set up and work with like
[23:35] <motherbrain>  wireshark but for usb's
[23:35] <pelaton> why is so much phlegm collecting in my neck
[23:35] <arooni> hi folks;  i have added some ppa's to my ubuntu 12.04 installation.  however sometimes they 404.  update manager gives me a red warning icon saying, "the update info is outdated please update manually and click check for updates" ... when i do that; because the ppa's 404; update manager still says last updated 9 days ago and icon is still there.  do i get rid of the ppas?
[23:36] <jagginess> peay, maybe this link too may help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SamsungSeries9 ..
[23:36] <jagginess> peay, this will not be easy for you.
[23:36] <motherbrain> partly I think the program would have to be smart enough to parse thru the data inside the usb packets and put it into bluetooth readable packet format though I don't know if any program tries to do this for hardware onto of hardware
[23:37] <peay> jagginess: I know but this is the only thing that has kept me from running linux for a long time thanks for your help
[23:37] <motherbrain> bluez is a pain in the nuts to set up since I am getting checking for DBUS... no
[23:37] <motherbrain> configure: error: D-Bus library is required
[23:38] <jagginess> peay, check this one out .. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603683
[23:38] <motherbrain> which I know if I start downloading D-Bus libraries it is going to become a nightmare
[23:38] <jagginess> peay, there doesn't seem to be a straight through walk on this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603683 may be closer than the others i seen
[23:38] <motherbrain> unless there is a synaptic or apt-get way of installing all this stuff one shot
[23:39] <jagginess> motherbrain, i'm betting there is already dbus/bluetooth applets of some sort
[23:39] <Jonii> I must say, Ubuntu 12.4 is the best thing....... Well, the best thing pretty much ever
[23:39] <wad3g> Do you think anyone could assist me with several Barracuda NG Firewall questions?
[23:39] <motherbrain> what how is an applet that runs in  a webbrowser going to help me?
[23:40] <sysdoc> Seems the ssh key on my local machine has had the pass changed, have no idea how that happened, but is there a way as root to change that pass with out knowing what the pass currently is?
[23:40] <snowveil___> I just installed 12.04 64-bit desktop edition, and this is my first time using Unity (ran 11.04 previously), I have two windows of Xchat and one of Google chrome that I cannot "access" with the launcher menu on the right, how do I recover them and prevent this from happening again? (they do not appear in alt+tab)
[23:40] <KorvinSzanto> escott, what was your suggestion
[23:40] <SolarisBoy> wad3g: what type of barracuda questions? this probably isn't the room though
[23:41] <motherbrain> at best it would be a make believe thing... and even if the applet could some how fork the data to it self it seems like it would be a werid way of doing things
[23:41] <escott> KorvinSzanto, I'm not sure what you are seeing
[23:41] <jagginess> motherbrain, webbrowsers aren't the only software that use applets
[23:41] <wad3g> I'm looking for a way to connect to my corporate VPN. which uses Barracuda NG Firewall. Is there a channel that may better suit my question?
[23:42] <jagginess> wad3g, barracuda site should have the client connection info
[23:42] <KorvinSzanto> escott, this is what I see in evtest with one press
[23:42] <KorvinSzanto> https://gist.github.com/2871517
[23:42] <jagginess> wad3g, i actually have the barracuda tap device
[23:42] <motherbrain> well, I have only worked with them thru an appletviewer or a webpage / smartphone way how are you refering to an applet?
[23:42] <wad3g> It has information, but not for Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[23:42] <SolarisBoy> wad3g: i am not sure about that, you may do better in #networking asking if anyone is familiar, and like jagginess said - barracuda support is rather responsive just mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and give them your serial
[23:43] <wad3g> I'll try networking out. Thanks for help jagginess and SolarisBoy
[23:43] <SolarisBoy> i use the mail gateways from barracuda but have familiarity with the firewall - if you need to access vpn you need to a) have one setup b) know the connection info
[23:43] <SolarisBoy> wad3g: sure
[23:43] <jagginess> wad3g, you have the link?
[23:43] <wad3g> It is setup and I have the connection info
[23:44] <avinashhm> Hi friends, does 12.04 ubuntu support mounting nfs shares ;
[23:45] <motherbrain> And I see the problem is I have a usb bluetooth tranciever plugged into a usb port wireshark is just collecting/capturing the usb packets so the bluetooth data is in the usb protocal however I don't know where or how to get it to show.
[23:45] <avinashhm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1024156/ ; I am trying to mount from a windows server ; i get above error
[23:45] <avinashhm> seems like cifs/ nfs is not supported .. the same command used to work in 11.10 .. any help pls
[23:46] <jagginess> wad3g, a description is a 'Web bortal-based' ssl vpn.. tells me it may be using a java plugin for the webbrowser (use sun's java plugin)
[23:46] <escott> KorvinSzanto, add to your .Xmodmap the line "keycode 194 = XF86Eject" and then import that into you xmodmap rules and see if the key gets a name
[23:46] <jagginess> ,/portal/bortal
[23:46] <escott> KorvinSzanto, "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap"
[23:47] <jagginess> avinashhm, apt-get install cifs, modprobe cifs
[23:47] <Jonii> snowveil___: alt+tab only reaches windows that are currently in the same workspace you are(by default there are four workspaces, arranged as 2x2 grid)
[23:47] <jagginess> avinashhm, they changed the name, "apt-get install cifs-utils smbfs",
[23:48] <snowveil___> Jonii, understood, but they're not in other workspaces either
[23:48] <jagginess> avinashhm, and be sure to do "modprobe cifs"
[23:48] <Jonii> With 11.10 I had a problem that sometimes windows teleported themselves around, so only a small part of them was left visible on any workspace, and trying to reach them via launcher caused launcher to go to some workspace, but you couldn't see the app in question
[23:49] <KorvinSzanto> escott, I added that to .Xmodmap, then ran xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap. The output of xmodmap didn't change
[23:49] <EuroNerd> How can I fix my 12.04 to display my users' wallpapers in the login screen again?  Because now it's the standard violet one.  (It works this way since a couple of ill-fated experiments with graphics drives.)
[23:49] <Jonii> do you think that might have happened, snowveil___ ?
[23:49] <snowveil___> Jonii, ps- A | grep -i xchat   reveals 3 distinct xchat processes running, and I have no idea how to reach them with the gui
[23:49] <avinashhm> jagginess, trying
[23:50] <Yago> jagginess, hello
[23:50] <snowveil___> Jonii, clicking the icon on the launcher does nothing but launch a new process
[23:50] <jagginess> avinashhm, i'm looking at my /etc/fstab (cuse i use a globally shared read-only mountpoint)-- i have a line like "//mylocalip/myshare /mnt/mymountpath/ smbfs user=ausername,password=apassword,ro 0 0"
[23:50] <avinashhm> jagginess, that was the probem ... works great now ..
[23:50] <Jonii> snowveil___: and the processes are not hiding on top right corner either?
[23:50] <jagginess> avinashhm, and not "\\mylocalip\myshare /mnt/mymountpath/ ... etc etc.."
[23:50] <escott> KorvinSzanto, im not sure how to read the evtest output
[23:50] <c_smith> is there some part of the USC that is needed for purchases to work in an Ubuntu spin such as mint?
[23:51] <KorvinSzanto> heh yeah
[23:51] <brightspark> EuroNerd, to change login screen wallpaper in older versions this worked.  I don't have 12.04 so can't verify.  http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/45315/how-to-change-the-ubuntu-linux-login-screen/
[23:51] <motherbrain> Ya, is there any way I can make a usb bluetooth tranciever show up as not a usb device but a network device that wireshark can use directly even though it goes in the usb... something sort of a pass thru...I don;t care about the structure of the usb packets on the structure from the bottom/up of the bluetooth packets
[23:51] <jagginess> avinashhm, that's good
[23:51] <avinashhm> i was missing these helper programs ..
[23:51] <KorvinSzanto> brb reboot
[23:51] <avinashhm> would have ur line in my fstab as well ..
[23:51] <avinashhm> jagginess, thanks very much
[23:51] <avinashhm> :-)
[23:51] <jagginess> avinashhm, np
[23:51] <snowveil___> Jonii, I'm not sure, how would I access them?
[23:52] <EuroNerd> brightspark, I'm not sure anything pre-12.04 applies, since dynamic, user-specific wallpapers on login were introduced only in 12.04.
[23:52] <alecjw> hi all, i'm just wondering how i delete emails in evolution so that they dont reappear?
[23:52] <snowveil___> Jonii, my main misunderstanding is, say I launch a terminal....if I click the terminal on the launcher menu, it opens that process of the terminal.  This does not happen with xchat nor chrome, it simply launches a new process and I can't find the old process
[23:53] <alecjw> when i delete an email, it comes back when i next start evolution and the message count in the folder doesnt go down
[23:53] <Jonii> snowveil___: some applications can, when minimized, go lurk in upper right corner, where you should be able to see icons of those processes
[23:53] <aaron_samuel> alecjw: what type of account are you connecting to for mail?
[23:54] <alecjw> aaron_samuel: gmail, imap
[23:54] <Jonii> But I'm unaware of chrome doing that on purpose, so I think there's something else wrong with your system
[23:54] <aaron_samuel> alecjw: have you checked you imap settings in gmail?
[23:54] <jagginess> motherbrain, bluemon
[23:54] <alecjw> i have, i'm not sure what they should be but i've tried both auto expunge and manual expunge
[23:54] <KorvinSzanto> escott, if it helps, evtest ties into an event stream (/dev/input/event3)
[23:55] <escott> KorvinSzanto, i just dont know what the keycode is in that output
[23:55] <KorvinSzanto> alright
[23:55] <KorvinSzanto> thanks for the helkp
[23:55] <escott> KorvinSzanto, im assuming it is "c2" but i dont know for sure, or if the evtest output would even change
[23:55] <motherbrain> will that work over usb ?
[23:55] <aaron_samuel> alecjw: check "When I mark a message in IMAP as deleted:" and "When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible IMAP folder:"
[23:55] <Jordan_U> c_smith: Just so you know, Mint isn't a "Spin" it's a derivative distribution with its own set of repositories. That means that it's not normally supported here, though your question about using apps purchased via Software Center in other Distributions without re-purchasing is something I'd still consider on-topic for this channel. Unfortunately my guess is that you won't find anyone here who knows much about how purchasing from Software Center works.
[23:55] <escott> KorvinSzanto, now that it has a name (we hope) maybe it will appear in xev
[23:56] <KorvinSzanto> it's always c2, that number changes depending on the key
[23:56] <Yago> anyone know how I can edit the Windows Boot Loader in Ubuntu
[23:56] <snowveil___> thanks anyway Jonii
[23:56] <KorvinSzanto> yeah doesn't show up in xev
[23:56] <Jonii> snowveil___: for diagnostic purposes, you could check if there are other processes you can make disappear too, and how to make them disappear
[23:56] <brightspark> Yago, how do you want to edit it?  Change the way it shows up in GRUB?  Alter its behaviour?
[23:56] <Jonii> But yeah, can't help any further. Good luck with that
[23:57] <Erealz> hey what the best webfrontend torrent server?
[23:57] <c_smith> Jordan_U, thanks for the info, yeah, I would like to see if there is something I need to do with the USC to get purchases working in a spin/derivative that it isn't included in.
[23:57] <aaron_samuel> Erealz: i dont think there is a best i like wutorrent
[23:57] <Yago> brightspark, like make it wait 5 seconds instead of 10...
[23:58] <Jordan_U> Yago: That question is better posed to ##windows. If they say "you need to install software X then do Y" we can help you with installing software X in Ubuntu, but the "then do Y" is off topic for this channel.
[23:58] <alecjw> aaron_samuel: i think my control panel's a bit different to the one you're describing. perhaps because mine's the british version? i can choose auto expunge on or off
[23:58] <peay> jagginess: I found this which might be what i need http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man4/synaptics.4.html
[23:58] <ShinyObjects> Erealz: I like transmission's web interface pretty well
[23:58] <Erealz> no gui
[23:58] <Erealz> ubuntu server
[23:58] <Erealz> running apache
[23:58] <Erealz> or lamp
[23:58] <Yago> Jordan_U, is there a way you can do it in ubuntu?
[23:58] <Erealz> just need the best one
[23:58] <brightspark> Yago, you don't need to edit Windows' bootloader to do that, just GRUB, if I understand what you want to do.
[23:58] <ShinyObjects> Erealz: gotcha - transmission would require a bunch of GTK stuff you don't need
[23:58] <Jordan_U> Yago: I have no idea.
[23:58] <MonkeyDust> !best| Erealz
[23:58] <c_smith> so, does anyone here know if there is some separate package or something the USC needs to have purchases working?
[23:59] <sarsaeol> Erealz: btpd or rtorrent?
[23:59] <aaron_samuel> alecjw: possibly - im using the new view, mines is set to on for you there should also be another setting 'When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible IMAP folder:' or similar that defaults to archive message but you can select immediately delete the message forever as an option
[23:59] <motherbrain> well bluemon is a good program but not quite what I am looking for
[23:59] <Erealz> saraeol do they have a webfronend?
[23:59] <sarsaeol> Erealz: srry for frontend you may want urtorrent
[23:59] <Yago> brightspark, I installed wubi, and it uses windows bootloader... I totally forgot what grub does again
[23:59] <brightspark> Yago, you want it to automatically boot into Windows faster by shortening the time during which you can tell it you want to boot windows right?
[23:59] <ShinyObjects> Erealz: I know rtorrent is text-mode, and it looks like there's a web interface here: http://rtwi.jmk.hu/


[22:10] <wxl> aw jeez do i really have to do it here? XD
[22:10] <wxl> !no standup-#lubuntu-devel is <reply> @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc @N0um3n0 @leokolb — It's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Then, in order of announcement, post your items, and be sure to mention when you're done.
[22:11] <wxl> uh that didn't work
[22:11] <kryten> Give it time to sync over, pal.
[22:11] <wxl> that's what i was thinking, ok
[22:36] <wxl> !no standup-#lubuntu-devel is <reply> @tsimonq2 @lynorian @HMollerCl @aptghetto @teward001 @kc2bez @The_LoudSpeaker wxl[m] guiverc @N0um3n0 @leokolb @KGIII — It's 2100 UTC Thursday which means it's time for the Lubuntu Development standup meeting. Please announce yourself for roll call! Then, in order of announcement, post your items, and be sure to mention when you're done.
[22:36] <wxl> sorry, last one XD


[14:25] <mup> PR snapd#12033 opened: tests: implement prepare_gadget and prepare_base and unify all the version <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12033>