[00:03] <wxl> guiverc: i saw your recent change to the support wiki. if you want to swap our names and take over the brunt of the responsibility, feel free. you have been far more active there than i have lately, so it wouldn't be inappropriate
[00:07] <guiverc> I realized you'd appreciate that move; I'm happy to do that but loads of the questions go well beyond me.. which is why I didn't.
[00:08] <wxl> in that case, i'd just call me in or rather just leave a note here and one of us will pick up the slack
[03:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa71bf8c0a047: Add empty trash to from desktop] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa71bf8c0a047
[04:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7228b8726e85: Fix Capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7228b8726e85
[05:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf2ba566e7621: Add how to temporarily disalbe a shortcut] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf2ba566e7621
[06:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfbbfda32b0e5: Fix clear clipboard history] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfbbfda32b0e5
 @wxl [<wxl> if someone could prepare a dingo EoL announcement that would be great http …], I took a stab at it: https://notes.lubuntu.me/UJ5GtL5tRoGx7e2k4lgxBg#
[17:12] <wxl> new featherpad if someone wants to pull that down https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad/releases/tag/V0.12.1
[17:17] <wxl> @kc2bez looks good over all but i don't get what "releases before or including 18.04 to 18.10 or greater" means?
 @wxl [<wxl> @kc2bez looks good over all but i don't get what "releases before or inclu …], Let me grab another cup of tea and take a look at it. I agree it could be re-worded a bit. … TBF I "borrowed" that from here: https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-etc-eol/ So the usual caveat of https://phab.lubuntu.me/macro/view/4/ applies XD
[17:32]  * wxl sips tea and nods affirmatively
 ack
 XD
 wxl I have made some changes, please have a look. Edits are welcome.
[18:10] <wxl> @kc2bez ship it
 wxl blog post here: https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-19-04-end-of-life-and-current-support-statuses/ Will you please take care of the mailing lists? I will take care of twitter/mastodon/Telegram.
[18:40] <wxl> @kc2bez kk thx
[19:09] <wxl> omg i typoed the subject jay-sus
[19:09] <wxl> oh well they'll figure it out XD
[19:10] <kc2bez> oops
[19:10] <kc2bez> They can follow the links.
[19:10] <kc2bez> tweet sent
[19:11] <kc2bez> toot should follow
[19:11] <kc2bez> Oh, I should post on the forum too.
[19:15] <kc2bez> Waiting on mod approval.
[19:15] <wxl> no you're not
[19:16] <kc2bez> cool
[19:16] <kc2bez> Thanks for the help wxl !
[19:16] <wxl> and you!
 Right so, FYI all, Phab will be blipping while I apply some changes to the system - namely, deploying some mail fun lol
 sounds fun


[05:00] <Fudge> nite AlanBell
[22:08] <paul_h1> hi, anyone about? I tried the first beta of Oneric today. when the CD stopped spinning I pressed ctrl+s and Orca started. chose the Try It option and gnome started and I heard "Welcome to Orca, Desktop" then gnome locked up completely. is it not working yet?
[22:10] <AlanBell> paul_h1: it is a bit of a mess still
[22:10] <AlanBell> I didn't know the magic keypress was ctrl+s, I will give that a go
[22:12] <AlanBell> at the moment there are multiple problems including the global menus not being keyboard accessible (for anyone)
[22:14] <paul_h1> AlanBell: I switched to the at-spi2 packages on my installed natty system and have the same problem. gnome locks up as soon as orca starts. but on the installed system I can switch to a text console and restart gdm which gets everything working
[22:15] <AlanBell> I believe there is some work being done to improve this and Beta 2 should be less broken
[22:17] <paul_h1> hopefully :-) on the + side the keystroke to start orca at the try it/install screen is working and brltty is being started automatically now for my usb display
[22:25] <AlanBell> yeah, quite pleased that the "start orca" sequence no longer involves hitting space when you see a symbol on screen before it goes away!
[22:26] <paul_h1> me too. could never get that working


[03:04] <frecel> ahoneybun: https://github.com/frecel/DocCheck
[06:24] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: what don't you like about the icons?
[06:32] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: this is how i see them :) http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/05/snapshot2.png
[06:32] <soee_> *would liek to see
[06:33] <ovidiu-florin> so, smaller?
[06:34] <ovidiu-florin> and with border, but no background
[06:34] <soee_> yes
[06:35] <ovidiu-florin> ok, I'll take care of that this evening
[06:35] <ovidiu-florin> soee_ ahoneybun please make a list of things that need to be done, what you think needs fixing, except the team page
[06:36] <ovidiu-florin> so we can send it this weekend
[08:09] <sitter> Riddell: ping
[08:12] <soee_> sitter: i think he is off for 2 days
[08:12] <sitter> oh my
[08:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:28] <sitter> calligra packaging is so sad
[08:28] <sitter> so very very sad
[09:12] <Sick_Rimmit> Good morning lovely people, I'm back from my holidays
[09:13] <lordievader> Hey Sick_Rimmit, how was your holiday?
[09:13] <Sick_Rimmit> lordievader: Oh thanks for asking, it was very good, children had lots of fun playing on the beach etc...
[09:15] <lordievader> Beaches are good :)
[09:16] <soee_> hiho Sick_Rimmit
[09:16] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Hello how r u ?
[09:17] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: can't say im good :/ Like 2 months ago i was sick for 2 weeks, a month ago for 1 week and now again...
[09:18] <soee> never had such strike
[09:18] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Viruses, and Flu type stuff ?
[09:19] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: yup, now also smoe strange muscle pain
[09:19] <soee> this is so annoying :)
[09:19] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Ah, yes I think I that it exotoxins produced post infection like this
[09:20] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: Drink lots, I mean 2 -3 litres of water each day throughout the day, this should help
[09:20] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: I know loads of folks who have been having these viruses, me too infact
[09:20] <soee> :(
[09:20] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: I hope you feel better soon :-)
[09:21] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: thanks
[09:21] <soee> guys, somene english speaking can verify texts here is tehy are ok http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/feature-tour/ ?
[09:21] <soee> *if they
[09:21] <soee> and maybe suggest some modifications ?
[09:27] <soee> ovidiu-florin: in feature tour page, i would increase space above and under images + ~20px
[09:28] <soee> ovidiu-florin: we can make it same as top and bottom padding of those ections
[09:52] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: I will take a look at that link for you..
[09:56] <valorie> soee: I would love to cut down the text on the feature-tour page, but it's 3am and i'm heading to bed
[09:57] <valorie> about half the words could be cut
[10:06] <soee> valorie: cut all ?
[10:06] <soee> valorie: ok, have a good night
[10:06] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: would be cool
[10:06] <Sick_Rimmit> valorie: OK I'll take a look
[10:06] <Sick_Rimmit> valorie: Nite
[10:22] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: hello
[10:22] <sitter> yo
[10:24] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1440805
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> Is that your doing?
[10:26] <sitter> maybe
[10:26] <sitter> driver is shadeslayer's thing
[10:27] <ovidiu-florin> He pointed at you
[10:28] <sitter> shadeslayer: what gives
[10:28] <shadeslayer> What
[10:28] <shadeslayer> I said I'd look at it?
[10:29] <shadeslayer> If I pointed at sitter , my bad
[10:29] <sitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow
[10:29] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: ah, it was meant as a joke :P
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Whenever I make absolute statements, they're usually meant as a joke
[10:31] <shadeslayer> *a wild sock appears*
[11:18]  * ahoneybun wishes khelpcenter had a webview
[11:19] <sitter> ScottK, Riddell: calligra dep fix waiting for approval in vivid
[11:19] <sitter> ahoneybun: what do you mean?
[11:20] <ahoneybun> sitter: like the widget "Web browser" so you can see all the pretty elements of the userbase wiki
[11:21] <ahoneybun> also QtWebKit module is missing
[11:24] <sitter> khelpcenter renders through khtml... the reason it doesn't look like on userbase is because it uses an html export that aligns with the theming of the rest of the documentation
[11:37] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: I have some edits for the features page, how would you like me to provide them ?
[11:38] <soee> Sick_Rimmit: send to ovidiu-florin or put them on his trello task list
[11:39] <Sick_Rimmit> soee: OK No probs
[11:52] <ovidiu-florin> Awesome, more stuff to do
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:50] <soee> ovidiu-florin: we need to modify list styles a bit, if you look here http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/support/ the list item dots are rendered near image
[14:50] <soee> ovidiu-florin: also there are some contents where text does not align images properly
[14:51] <ovidiu-florin> On the support page the issue is with the image not the list
[14:52] <soee> ovidiu-florin: the images (or their container) in conent should be floated to left or right, and have also set margins (left or right) and bottom
[14:52] <darthanubis> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345939
[14:53] <darthanubis> The konversation develipoers said I should bring this to the attention of my distro devels?
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> How is that distro related?
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> Unless there are missing dependencies
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> Which were not marked as such
[14:56] <Sho_> rdieter (fedora) thinks it's happening due to mixing qt4/5 in the phonon/phonon-vlc stuff
[14:56] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, ignore just doesn't work on the dev version here
[14:56] <darthanubis> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345956
[14:56] <Sho_> BluesKaj: Can you tell me more?
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> soee: they need the alignright class
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> Or alignleft
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Sho_, the ignored nick doesn't appear in the ignore list
[14:59] <Sho_> BluesKaj: works fine here
[14:59] <Sho_> BluesKaj: can you give exact steps?
[15:01] <ovidiu-florin> darthanubis: how are those distro related?
[15:02] <darthanubis> just relaying the message
[15:02] <darthanubis> if I knew, I'd probably be able to fix it myself
[15:03] <darthanubis> unfortunately, my skill set only allows me to be a beta tester, at best, at worst, just a guy konversation fails on
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Sho_, right click on the nick either in the  chat text or the nicklist choose ignore in the dialog , then check ignore in settings>configure konversation
[15:03] <Sho_> BluesKaj: That's what I did and it showed up in the dialog fine here
[15:03] <Sho_> BluesKaj: But I opened the dialog after ignoring
[15:04] <Sho_> BluesKaj: do you have it open *while* ignoring?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> have what open ?
[15:04] <Sho_> BluesKaj: the config dialog
[15:04] <BluesKaj> you have to
[15:04] <ovidiu-florin> darthanubis: run ksycoca
[15:05] <BluesKaj> how else do choose?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> to choose
[15:05] <Sho_> BluesKaj: in the context menu ...?
[15:05] <ovidiu-florin> Do you have it?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> okj sorry I meant the context menu/dialog'
[15:05] <darthanubis> so systemsettings kept crashing which hitting multimedia to change sound backends. I purged all phono-vlc backends, and now plasma itself has dumped and not restarted yet
[15:05] <Sho_> BluesKaj: Here's my steps: 1. right-click some nick here in the nicklist, 2. click ignore, 3. click settings, 4. click configure konversation, 5. check ignore -> nick is there
[15:05] <Sho_> BluesKaj: So i'm asking whether you do 4. before 1.
[15:06] <Sho_> because that's the only diff i can think of
[15:06] <darthanubis> ksycoca: command not found
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Ido it in the same sequence as you did Sho_
[15:07] <Sho_> BluesKaj: Ok, not sure then ... I run current git instead of 1.6-beta1, but I don't think we made any changed to ignoring since the beta
[15:07] <Sho_> BluesKaj: maybe try a different nick and see if it happens with all of them or not
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Sho_, Version 1.6-beta1 here as well
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Sho_, it's the same with other nicks, no ignored nicks in the list
[15:09] <Sho_> very strange
[15:09] <Sho_> works just fine here
[15:10] <Sho_> maybe we did fix something since the beta
[15:12] <BluesKaj> I also have a weird thing with chat text notification in just one chat (kubuntu-offtopic) where the text on the chat tab doesn't change colour when an entry is typed into the chat text..this only happens on kubuntu-offtopic , all the others work
[15:32] <BluesKaj> doh, the "enable notification" in the tab context menu wasn't checked
[15:34] <soee> BluesKaj: are you on plasma5 atm ?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> soee, yes
[15:35] <ovidiu-florin> darthanubis: what version of kubuntu are you running on?
[15:37] <soee> BluesKaj: can you open Amarok (systray icon should be visible) and check if you can rightclick on that systray icon and play/stop track ?
[15:37] <soee> stop seems to work, but i cant start playing track
[15:41] <BluesKaj> soee, play works , but pause takes about 2 secs to work
[15:41] <soee> BluesKaj: maybe you have timeoout set to stop track in settings
[15:42] <soee> strange though play doesnt work for me
[15:42] <soee> but im testing it on radio sstations
[15:42] <BluesKaj> soee, it won't quit from the systray tho
[15:42] <soee> but with track also doesnt work
[15:43] <BluesKaj> I don't even use amarok > I prefer vlc
[15:43] <soee> ;o
[15:45] <soee> in 15 min https://plus.google.com/events/ct0mjo7bqfn98g9f3kavpcbl4sg
[15:48] <yofel> ovidiu-florin, darthanubis: it's called kbuildsycoca5
[15:48] <yofel> (or 4)
[15:51] <sitter> sddm branch was like 5 uplodas out of date :'<
[15:52]  * sitter out
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I suspected that's what it reffered to
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> but wasn't sure
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> soee: uuuuuuuu
[15:57] <soee> ovidiu-florin: what hapend ?
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> Ubuntu on air
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> Are you presenting??
[16:01] <soee> no not me :)
[16:01] <soee> maybe someday :D
[16:05] <ovidiu-florin> soee: hangouts live is broken in chromium
[16:06] <soee> ?
[16:15] <ovidiu-florin> it complains that my browser doesn't recognize any of the available video formats
[16:15] <ovidiu-florin> which is utter crap
[16:25] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the message you told me: "message saying "please come and join us in #kubuntu-devel to help out" to team page" should be on the Contribute page
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> not on the team page
[16:39] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Hi I almost finish the review of Feature Tour, with notes for what I think might be useful text
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[16:39] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: ^
[16:40] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: I will try to finish tomorrow, and get the ODT Doc to you
[16:40] <Sick_Rimmit> Going home for today
[16:40] <Sick_Rimmit> See you all
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> see you soon Sick_Rimmit
[16:40]  * Sick_Rimmit Out!
[16:48] <darthanubis> ovidiu-florin: 15.04
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> darthanubis: run kbuildsycoca4 and 5
[16:49] <ovidiu-florin> do they work?
[17:12] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: pog
[17:12] <Quintasan> pong*
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: where's Pawel?
[17:21] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: I think he still didn't get back from holiday break.
[17:22] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: I think I asked him to subscribe to the mailing list, didn't he do that?
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: no idea
[18:43] <Quintasan> I see.
[18:43] <Quintasan> I'll poke him when he's back.
[18:47] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: poke him for some feedback on the site
[18:47] <ovidiu-florin> leave the feedback on trello
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> Possible issue on Vivid: If I open 1 file (in kate) from dolphin and then open another one from dolphin, Dolphin feezes, untill I close Kate
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> can someone replicate?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: pong
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I already told you on trello
[19:40] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[19:40] <ahoneybun> just checking
[19:41] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: should I add text about dolpin? seems I break it everytime I edit it
[19:44] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I put in the application for my passport
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Just don't save using the visual editor
[20:18] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: funny as I was in the text editor
[20:19] <ovidiu-florin> weird
[20:19] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:19] <ahoneybun> I might have moved over to the visual to look at something
[20:26] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: did I break anything this time?
[20:36] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: "Location, a built-in Terminal and many others"
[20:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: and remove the +10 from the script on the top, please
[20:39] <ahoneybun> done ovidiu-florin
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> seems ok
[20:40] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:46] <soee> ovidiu-florin: nice work on feature tour icons, one last thing: add horizontal space like 15-20px between them
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> soee: but, but, but..... they look awesome like this
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> if I add more space they will look like teeth with room to spare between them
[20:58] <xennex81> http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour i think the spacing on the entire site can be improved but those 5 icons are really well done.
[21:02] <soee> xennex81: this is old page
[21:02] <xennex81> ah
[21:02] <xennex81> what is the new one again?
[21:04] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer can you help me with some Qt/KDE code?
[21:11] <xennex81> kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk right
[21:12] <xennex81> good luck with it
[21:13] <yofel> hm, how about removing the border radius on the icon border? (or maybe using 1 or 2 px?)
[21:14] <xennex81> how can I most easily learn how to debug the plasma4-desktop application or component that runs in kde4? something is hogging my resources. Must I deal with KDE folk directly?
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: leave your sugestion in a trello card please
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: https://trello.com/b/3Fo1KXoN/kubuntu-promotion
[21:24] <yofel> ack
[21:24] <xennex81> empty slogans. hm..
[21:27] <yofel> hm?
[23:07] <frecel> ahoneybun: hi
[23:07] <soee> frecel: you work @night ? :)
[23:08] <frecel> soee:  I live in Canada so I just got home from work
[23:08] <soee> aa :D
[23:09] <frecel> soee: are you on 15.04 by any chance?
[23:11] <soee> frecel: yeah, since 4 months :)
[23:12] <frecel> soee: is compositing working for you? When I turn compositing on my screen goes black and all I see is the mouse
[23:13] <frecel> It's definitely Kwins fault because if I switch TTYs and kill Kwin  everything seems to run ok
[23:13] <frecel> except for the missing window manager part of course
[23:14] <soee> frecel: yes it works, im using OpenGL 3.1 and GLX
[23:15] <frecel> what graphics card do you use?
[23:15] <soee> i have laptop with 2 gpus, but as atm. nvidia-prime does not work with sddm, my machine uses intel
[23:17] <frecel> that would explain some of the issues I'm having
[23:21] <soee> why ?
[23:27] <darthanubis> has anyone tried using EGL?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> frecel: hello
[23:28] <soee> darthanubis: not me, it desn't work i think
[23:29] <darthanubis> it works
[23:31] <frecel> ahoneybun: https://github.com/frecel/DocCheck
[23:34] <ahoneybun> awesomeness
[23:34]  * ahoneybun runs
[23:38] <ahoneybun> frecel: this is the log it gave me http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10767889/
[23:38] <ahoneybun> very cool
[23:40] <valorie> I wanted to report here that Konvi crashed due to missing/old dependencies - and reported about it, which is a bit strange: cgmanager, initscripts, libcgmanager0, libkmod2, sysv-rc, sysvinit-utils
[23:40] <valorie> it said in the popup
[23:41] <valorie> I was attempting to report a visual bug in update-manager when Apport crashed - I was able to report that successfully: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1441357
[23:41] <valorie> sorry, ubottu, it registered as a private bug report for some reason
[23:42] <frecel> ahoneybun: I couldn't find a good technical dictionary that has strings like tar.bz2 in it so what I'm currently using is en-US dictionary from  Firefox and manually add more words every time I find something
[23:43] <ahoneybun> frecel: sounds like lots of work, thank you
[23:43] <ahoneybun> hard to find the meaning of .tar or .zip in the dictionary lol
[23:45] <frecel> ahoneybun: Actually even though this is a lot of work I find it oddly relaxing. After a stressful day at work it's kind of nice to come home and just parse text haha
[23:46] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:49] <frecel> ahoneybun: do you know if there is a full list of kde projects somewhere?
[23:52] <ahoneybun> frecel: community wise: http://kde-apps.org/
[23:52] <ahoneybun> https://www.kde.org/applications/
[23:55] <frecel> ahoneybun: sweet, I'll add that to the dictionary today
[23:55] <ahoneybun> cool
[23:56] <frecel> I'm using the same backeng for spellcheck as Firefox and Open/LibreOffice, it's actually a much more clever system than I thought
[23:56] <ahoneybun> awesome


[00:55] <YokoZar> Will Jaunty have GCC 4.4 as a sidepackage?  It's too late to use it as our default I assume
[00:55] <ScottK> We've always got gcc-snapshot, so yet.
[00:55] <ScottK> yet/yes.
[02:21] <shawnmstout> im hoping someone could answer a question for me if u dont mind
[02:21] <shawnmstout> has anyone here tried ubuntu media center?
[02:21] <shawnmstout> if so , is it any good
[03:18]  * ScottK decides to wait until after the source gets published to ask for a backport...
[03:52] <ScottK> If there's an archive-admin who could do a quick updated backport so we can stop breaking non-english systems, please have a look at Bug #325221
[07:00] <Hobbsee> scizzo-: you can't do it?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> er, ScottK
[07:01] <Hobbsee> hm, it's done
[08:42] <TheMuso> 1/c
[08:52] <calc> how do you extract a tar telling it to not use the top level dir in the tar file?
[08:53]  * calc couldn't seem to find the arg to do that
[08:53] <TheMuso> calc: I didn't even know you could do that.
[08:53] <calc> hmm ok maybe this rpm build is working differently than i thought then
[08:56] <calc> hmm i'm pretty sure they did it somehow with rpm automatically :\
[08:58] <calc> easy way out... i think i don't need this part of OOo split build at all since its just a bunch of 3rd party library crap
[08:58] <calc>  :)
[08:59] <calc> if so that removes 300MB gzip of source from the archive once i switch to it
[09:56] <dklon> I'm not sure if I am in the right channel, but I have a small game I'd like to contribute to Ubuntu and its derivatives and wasn't sure if this was the place
[11:42] <maxb> #ubuntu-motu is the channel you're looking for
[11:44] <maxb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[11:45] <jpds> maxb: He left, but I got him in /msg.
[11:46] <maxb> oops,
[11:46] <maxb> I really need to learn to check, now that I'm ignoring joins/parts/quits
[14:13] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I didn't think I could. I need to look at that then.
[14:53] <maxb> calc: dpkg-source resorts to unpacking into a temporary directory, asserting that the tempdir now contains a single directory, and then renaming that to the final name.
[16:41] <sladen> shove it in a heap under the bed.  It's worth more and attracts less tax
[16:41] <sladen> oops, wrong channel
[16:47] <ogra> but still a good advice :)
[17:08] <cjwatson> ScottK: done
[17:16] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thank you.
[17:19] <saulus> since my x-server upgrade yesterday I cant use gnome/kde/xmonad any longer. Is there a solution available?
[17:21] <saulus> this is on ubuntu-jaunty - I hope this is the right place
[17:26] <ScottK> saulus: Jaunty help is #ubuntu+1
[17:26] <saulus> ty
[18:00] <twoheadedboy> I had a question...if I was to install alpha 4, would I be able to upgrade to Alpha 5, etc., through Adept or Synaptic?
[18:03] <etech> hi
[18:03] <etech> source of go-openoffice 3.0.1 is out
[18:03] <etech> will  go-oo 3.0.1 be in intrepid backports?
[18:14] <etech> hello?
[18:31] <ScottK> etech: It has to be requested and tested.
[18:31] <ScottK> !backports > etech
[18:32] <etech> are there plans to put openoffice 3.0.1 in backprts?
[18:42] <etech> because when yes i won't add the ppa repositories
[18:43] <etech> ScottK, for openoffice 3
[19:20] <s0u][ight> hello i'm trying to modify ubuntu
[19:20] <s0u][ight> sudo mount -t squashfs -o loop mnt/casper/filesystem.squashfs squashfs this command fails
[19:20] <s0u][ight> mount: unknown filesystem type 'squashfs'
[21:18] <calc> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10159100-16.html <- nice :)


[21:51] <adom> Any devs in here?  My company has some hot new positions open for devs and QA: https://sciencelogic.com/company/careers
[21:51] <adom> just be sure to put me down for referral ;)
[21:51] <adom> Adam Wright


[00:07] <maxb> Well, the idea is that it's a string that should effectively be treated as opaque by all users, it just happens to contain some semantic info to make it useful to people debugging weirdness at low levels
[00:07] <maxb> It could pretty much just as well be a UUID, or other randomly assigned constant
[07:25] <kamstrup> Are there some LP admins that can help me out here? When I try to log into LP I get an error page saying "Your login was unsuccessful: User cancelled"
[07:26] <kamstrup> been getting that for over a month
[07:29] <wgrant> kamstrup: Have you tried an alternate browser? What's the URL that gives the error?
[07:30] <kamstrup> wgrant: yeah, tried using chromium with completely wiped settings as well, same problem
[07:31] <kamstrup> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/+openid-callback?starting_url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net&janrain_nonce=2012-10-04T07%3A31%3A09ZVHoqlK&openid.mode=cancel&openid.ns=http%3A%2F%2Fspecs.openid.net%2Fauth%2F2.0
[07:33] <wgrant> kamstrup: Hm. What does https://login.launchpad.net/ say?
[07:33] <wgrant> Since that URL is pretty clear about the OpenID provider cancelling the request
[07:34] <kamstrup> wgrant: interesting - that says I am logged in - but LP begs to differ
[07:34] <kamstrup> I can change my pw there, see which sites I am authenticated to
[07:59] <dupondje> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/115453173/freerdp-team-freerdp-freerdp.log
[07:59] <dupondje> 2012-09-11 04:00:03 INFO    The repository you are fetching from contains submodules, which are not yet supported.
[07:59] <dupondje> but this doesn't seem to be the case?
[08:00] <dupondje> see https://code.launchpad.net/~freerdp-team/freerdp/freerdp
[08:00] <jelmer> dupondje: perhaps there are submodules somewhere in the history?
[08:02] <wgrant> https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/commit/e4e6fb48370ef7476a416d490c97fae67ff1dd75 looks suspicious
[08:03] <dupondje> indeed :(
[08:03] <dupondje> already has been removed tho
[08:03] <dupondje> no way to get it fixed?
[08:03] <wgrant> Not without rebasing the commit out of the upstream repo
[08:05]  * dupondje is not really a GIT specialist :)
[08:15]  * dupondje is thinking how to fix it cleanly :)
[15:38] <doko> looking at bug #1058056
[15:38] <doko> this shows up as wontfix in the overview list, however it is confirmed. why?
[15:38] <doko> lifeless, whoever, any idea?
[15:41] <lifeless> conjoined master with mismatched state
[15:41] <lifeless> another reason why they are evil
[15:42] <lifeless> at a guess anyhow
[15:42] <lifeless> I have to sleep,s orry.
[15:42] <lifeless> night
[16:02] <Darxus> /bin/bash ../libtool  --tag=CC   --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I..     -g -O2 -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing -fvisibility=hidden -MT pixman-implementation.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/pixman-implementation.Tpo -c -o pixman-implementation.lo pixman-implementation.c
[16:02] <Darxus> pixman-combine-float.c: In function 'combine_exclusion_u_float':
[16:02] <Darxus> pixman-combine-float.c:485:1: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'combine_exclusion_a': function not considered for inlining
[16:02] <Darxus> Wrong channel, sorry.
[18:04] <pindonga> hi, I was wondering if we had any ETA on getting staging LP back up.
[19:20] <sinzui> pindonga, use https://qastaging.launchpad.net/ . It is up more often, but the data is from 6 months ago.
[19:22] <pindonga> sinzui: not sure I can tbh... we're doing integration testing for Ubuntu Pay, which requires talking to Software Center Agent , which talks to Staging LP
[19:22] <pindonga> so until staging LP is back up we can't release to production (our own fault probably)
[19:23] <pindonga> I was wondering how come LP staging takes so long to deploy when you guys have FDT deploys now on prod
[19:25] <sinzui> pindonga, I have no idea. It might be that the db did not restore properly from last weekend.
[19:26] <sinzui> pindonga, webops are sprinting, but if you really need that server up, ping them on #launchpad-ops and they might be able to make it run
[19:26] <czajkowski> it's been down for some time
[19:27] <pindonga> sinzui: thank you
[21:55] <SpamapS> I have a PPA build that is failing where a local sbuild with networking disabled does not. Anybody have an idea how I can debug this? https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/pkgs/+build/3877229
[21:55] <SpamapS> the test suite fails in odd ways that I'm unable to reproduce at all
[22:20] <wgrant> SpamapS: Your sbuild is fully upgraded?
[22:20] <wgrant> SpamapS: There was a python security update a couple of days ago
[22:20] <wgrant> Oh, but this is quantal, hmm.
[22:21] <SpamapS> wgrant: its failing the same way on oneiric <-> quantal
[22:21] <SpamapS> wgrant: and yes I've fully updated my chroots
[22:22] <SpamapS> wgrant: I do see some minor differences in the build-dep install step
[22:23] <SpamapS> wgrant: is it possible chroots built with mk-sbuild have different stuff installed than the buildd chroots?
[22:24] <wgrant> SpamapS: You can grab the buildd chroot from https://launchpad.net/api/devel/ubuntu/quantal/i386
[22:26] <SpamapS> I suppose with that I can at least try the same command line
[22:26] <SpamapS> doh
[22:26] <SpamapS> some kind of timeout/race
[22:26] <wgrant> For sbuild? No
[22:26] <SpamapS> retrying 3 times succeeded on precise
[22:50] <SpamapS> wgrant: thanks for the info. I think its juju's test suite failing on some races


[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[06:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libbluray [i386] (zesty-proposed) [1:1.0.0-2]
[09:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unattended-upgrades (xenial-proposed/main) [0.90ubuntu0.3 => 0.90ubuntu0.4] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[09:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unattended-upgrades (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.92ubuntu1.2 => 0.92ubuntu1.3] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[11:37] <Laney> soooooooooooo
[11:37] <Laney> thoughts on uploading a huge packaging overhaul for glib2.0 to zesty? https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/glib2.0_2.51.4-1.html
[11:41] <apw> Laney, uggg, i guess it is at least a bit verifyable, could we throw that source in a PPA ?
[11:42] <Laney> yeh
[11:43] <apw> Laney, that page is rather nice
[11:44] <Laney> apw: you mean debian's NEW output?
[11:44] <apw> Laney, yeah
[11:45] <Laney> nod
[11:45]  * Laney gets a silo to have a handy devirt ppa
[11:45] <Laney> is devirt a thing any more?
[11:46] <Laney> I mean 'restricted arches' I think :)
[11:47] <xnox> Laney, one needs devirt for power and s390x i think
[11:47] <Laney> xnox: I just mean that 'devirt' isn't the right term, since there's no 'virt' any more
[11:47] <cjwatson> uh
[11:47] <apw> Laney, i don't think devirt is really a thing.  yes power and s390x are non-virtualised
[11:47] <apw> but from a PPA point of view you just find it hard to turn them on
[11:47] <cjwatson> devirt is a thing, but it's only relevant for the arches that don't have virt
[11:48]  * xnox likes cdbs -> dh
[11:48] <cjwatson> we don't at present have arches with both virt and non-virt builders
[11:48] <Laney> right
[11:48] <cjwatson> but one of the knobs you need to get powerpc and s390x builds is to disable "Require virtualized builders"
[11:48] <apw> cjwatson, so i can in theory flip a PPA from "virt amd64" to "de-virt amd64" ?
[11:49] <cjwatson> apw: I doubt you can, but one can; however it does nothing
[11:49] <apw> cjwatson, i stand corrected :)
[11:49] <cjwatson> the technical effect of devirt (i.e. disabling "Require virtualized builders") is that builds can be dispatched to either virt or non-virt builders, rather than just virt builders
[11:50] <cjwatson> this obviously does nothing if there are no non-virt builders :)
[11:50] <apw> shows how the UI can misslead you :)  given we now only have "on/off" for every arch
[11:50] <cjwatson> but a PPA with powerpc and s390x enabled won't have anywhere to dispatch builds to unless "Require virtualized builders" is also disabled
[11:50] <apw> (we == not you :)
[11:51] <cjwatson> well, the powerpc and s390x checkboxes are greyed out if you don't have access to enable them, too
[11:51] <apw> right indeed, which is how we've fallen into calling them "restricted arches"
[11:51] <apw> (incorrectly)
[11:51] <cjwatson> no, that's correct too
[11:52] <cjwatson> slightly different from "requires devirt" mind
[11:52] <cjwatson> it's possible for an architecture to have only virt builders but still be restricted (which we do if we're not yet confident enough in how well it will behave at scale)
[11:52] <cjwatson> that was the case for arm64 and armhf for a while I believe
[11:53] <cjwatson> it does confuse webops from time to time though - they frequently get asked to enable s390x or whatever, flip the arch switch, and forget / don't know that they need to devirt as well
[11:54] <Laney> apw: xnox: building https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2537/+packages
[12:01] <apw> Laney, in theory we now have that i386 linux regression test disabled correctly, so i am going to un-blacklist it
[12:01] <Laney> apw: have you done a test run? :-)
[12:02] <Laney> not required, but if not then please keep an eye on the first real one
[12:09] <apw> Laney, i have not, will do
[12:33] <jbicha> good morning, could the chrome-gnome-shell/trusty, ubuntu-gnome-meta/trusty SRUs be reviewed today?
[12:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted chrome-gnome-shell [source] (trusty-proposed) [8-2ubuntu4~ubuntu14.04.2]
[12:57] <jbicha> thanks!
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-gnome-meta [source] (trusty-proposed) [0.32.1]
[12:57] <apw> jbicha, ^
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cifs-utils [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2:6.5-2ubuntu2]
[13:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cifs-utils [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:6.4-1ubuntu1.1]
[14:02] <jbicha> rbasak: so if the final decision is not to accept bug 1337898 into trusty-updates, how does that work? is the update deleted from trusty-proposed or does it stay there indefinitely?
[14:03] <rbasak> jbicha: we'll mark it verification-failed, and an AA will delete it from trusty-proposed eventually.
[14:03] <apw> if nothing else is done it will get deleted at 105 days
[14:04] <apw> if we know it is definatly going to be rejected, then a heads up here seems reasonable if you need an AA for that
[14:04] <jbicha> I'm asking because I think the tracker/yakkety SRU just has too much regression risk
[14:04] <apw> risk makes us nurvous
[14:05] <jbicha> the tracker update is in stretch and zesty and it's a "security" update but I think the sandbox still blocks and breaks some things that worked before
[14:06] <jbicha> given yakkety's short life, it doesn't seem worth the trouble there
[15:24] <jbicha> apw: since you're an AA, do you want to remove tracker from yakkety-proposed now?
[15:37] <apw> jbicha, if you are never going to fix the regression that that had, sure
[15:43] <apw> jbicha, gone
[15:46] <acheronuk> apw: now a calligra KF5 version with localisation in the main source is through, could the old defunct localisation binaries and their source be removed from zesty please?
[15:47] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/zesty/calligra-l10n
[15:47] <acheronuk> can do a bug if required
[15:48] <apw> acheronuk, is there a removal request filed for that with the details ?
[15:48] <acheronuk> I will make one :)
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (xenial-proposed/main) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.9 => 1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.10] (ubuntu-server, virt) (sync)
[16:36] <powersj> slangasek: infinity: do either of you know if the ppc64el server ISO tests ever got enabled to block release on failure like amd64/i386?
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ukui-session-manager (zesty-proposed/primary) [1.0.0]
[17:05] <acheronuk> apw: if you are still about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra-l10n/+bug/1670426
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected neutron [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2:9.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[17:28] <rbasak> coreycb: ^
[17:29] <coreycb> rbasak, thanks
[18:03] <apw> acheronuk, it seems some of that is still seeded in "kbuntu: supported"
[18:03] <apw> acheronuk, so i think your images will implode if i remove it
[18:05] <acheronuk> apw: that probably needs to come off then
[18:05] <acheronuk> apw: no, nothing calligra at all goes on our iso
[18:08] <apw> acheronuk, seeded-in-ubuntu say it is in your supported seed.
[18:08] <apw> whatever you use that for
[18:10] <acheronuk> apw: that supported seed it not what goes on our iso. the desktop one is
[18:11] <apw> acheronuk, right i am not communicating clearly.  can you check your seeds do not need these removing
[18:11] <apw> before i rip them out of the archive
[18:13] <acheronuk> apw: it only exists in our supported seed - where it can be removed from once it no longer exists in the archive
[18:13] <apw> acheronuk, ack thanks
[18:13] <acheronuk> or before. won't break anything wither way
[18:19] <apw> acheronuk, done
[18:19] <acheronuk> apw: thx :)
[19:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: neutron (yakkety-proposed/main) [2:9.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 2:9.2.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[21:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (xenial-proposed/main) [0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.04.2 => 0.7.9-48-g1c795b9-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[21:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.10.1 => 0.7.9-48-g1c795b9-0ubuntu1~16.10.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (xenial-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[22:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (yakkety-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)


[13:03] <infoturtle> czajkowski, I've been waiting since Tuesday for Mark Brennan from U.l to get back to me about a venue for Limerick UGJ but no word, do you know of anyone else I should contact about this or should I cut my losses at this stage and ask miLKlabs if they'll let me host there?
[13:03] <czajkowski> hmm
[13:03] <czajkowski> davem: moonpie can ye ask Mark Breenan
[13:04] <czajkowski> infoturtle: you could mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:04] <infoturtle> thanks czajkowski !
[13:04] <czajkowski> that will go to a few more
[13:04] <infoturtle> i did, thats how he got onto me
[13:05] <infoturtle> right, I'll do it again as I replied to an email he sent back to one I sent the compsoc email
[13:06] <czajkowski> nods
[13:06] <czajkowski> ok
[13:08] <infoturtle> I've to keep switching between windows and ubuntu to get my work done so I'll be back on in a while and let y'all know of any news on this
[13:13] <czajkowski> grand
[13:54] <czajkowski> fagan: ever heard of spell check :)
[13:54] <fagan> czajkowski: nope
[13:54]  * czajkowski hands fagan a '  for his blog post
[13:54] <fagan> :)
[13:54] <czajkowski> fagan: reading your blog post is hard as it's full of errors and looks really bad
[13:54] <czajkowski> if you want your employer to take your seriously perhaps writing in correct english might be better
[13:55] <fagan> czajkowski: well I did both in 10 minutes they are just notes
[13:55] <fagan> since I need to hand them in all fix all the errors then
[13:55] <czajkowski> fagan: take more time so and do it properly :) it reads really badly dude
[13:55] <fagan> yeah I know
[13:56] <czajkowski> If I blogged like that where I work I'd be out of a job :)
[13:57] <fagan> czajkowski: well good job im not getting paid to blog
[13:57] <fagan> :P
[13:59] <czajkowski> fagan: as usual you miss the point.
[14:01] <Pendulum> fagan: I looked at that post and thought "embarrassing"
[14:01] <fagan> czajkowski, Pendulum fixed
[14:01] <Pendulum> If I don't have time to at least spellcheck, I don't think I have time to post to a blog, especially one syndicated on something such as planet.ubuntu.com
[14:01] <Pendulum> because for some people that's their first impression of you
[14:02] <fagan> Pendulum: I have been on post for nearly a year now
[14:02] <fagan> anyway fixed
[14:02] <fagan> and a meeting to get to I think
[14:03] <Pendulum> fagan: not everyone has been reading for a year. My point is mostly just that you've used your blog to look for a job in the past and if I was looking for someone for a job, I'd certainly pass by anyone who was so sloppy about what they put out publicly
[14:03] <fagan> Cool I get it
[21:39] <VampiricPadraig> hi #ubuntu-ie


[08:58] <mpt> seb128, I commented on bug 1280274, thanks for the pointer.
[08:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1280274 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "The control panel includes a switch without description" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280274
[09:03] <Laney> morning!
[09:03] <seb128> mpt, hey, thanks!
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, good morning!
[09:03] <seb128> happy monday desktopers!
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128, wie gehts?
[09:07] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, gut, danke! und dir?
[09:08] <Laney> sehr gut
[09:08] <Laney> hallo larsu, guten morgen
[09:09] <Laney> Subject: Jenkins Failure - trusty-adt-glib2.0 76 nicht gut :(
[09:10] <Laney> oh, just test env brekage
[09:11] <seb128> Laney, jenkins is talking german to you now? ;-)
[09:11] <Laney> blame pitti :P
[09:48] <seb128> Laney,
[09:48] <seb128> cairo (1.13.0~20140204-0ubuntu1) trusty; urgency=medium
[09:49] <seb128> .symbols,  cairo_surface_get_device_scale@Base 1.13.0~
[09:49] <seb128> Laney, does that seems right for versioning a git cairo snapshot?
[09:49] <seb128> they don't have a 1.13 tarball yet, I expect the first one to be 1.13.0
[09:50] <Laney> it's about what depends version should a package get if it uses that symbol
[09:50] <Laney> I'd probably use the full upstream part
[09:50] <seb128> 1.13.0~20140204
[09:50] <seb128> ?
[09:50] <Laney> yeah
[09:51] <seb128> done, thanks
[09:51] <Laney> so then if you take another snapshot with more symbols then it can have a higher version there
[09:52] <seb128> right
[10:12] <xnox> seb128: i see that there are two branches of unity-settings-daemon merged, is there a silo i need to test before it lands into the archive?
[10:13] <seb128> xnox, no, that's not a #ps project/under CI, feel free to just use good old dput there
[10:13] <xnox> seb128: oh, i thought it was under ci-train...
[10:14] <seb128> xnox, no, it's under ci/automerger, but that's it, no train for it
[10:14] <xnox> seb128: ack.
[10:19] <Laney> wait
[10:19] <Laney> last week we said we'd keep the legacy keygrabber in there
[10:20] <seb128> Laney, ?
[10:20] <Laney> what?
[10:20] <seb128> Laney, what do you say that? is somebody dropping the grabber?
[10:21] <seb128> why*
[10:21] <seb128> ECONTEXT to understand your comment
[10:21] <Laney> oh
[10:22] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/unity-settings-daemon/gnome-key-grabber/+merge/206033
[10:22] <seb128> the 2 commits in trunk are a session and a notify-osd one
[10:22] <seb128> looking
[10:22] <seb128> oh, yeah, that looks wrong
[10:23] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~unity-settings-daemon-team/+members#active
[10:23] <Laney> look at this cabal!
[10:24] <seb128> ;-)
[10:25] <seb128> session restart, brb
[10:27] <Laney> seb128: are you commenting there?
[10:28] <seb128> Laney, can do
[10:28] <Laney> cool
[10:36] <xnox> Laney: seb128: the unity portion of key-grabbing seems to be merge in unity already.
[10:37] <seb128> xnox, the issue is that u-s-d is going to be used for e.g gnome-panel users and they might run xmonad for example, which doesn't have a grabber
[10:38] <xnox> seb128: my understanding was that u-s-d is only going to be supported under unity.
[10:38] <xnox> seb128: other DEs (or half DEs will use g-s-d)
[10:38] <Laney> let's not go over it all again please
[10:39] <xnox> seb128: and in fact Laney and I wrote upstart job to not start u-s-d....
[10:39] <xnox> =)
[10:39] <seb128> xnox, read backlog from friday(?) on this channel, but basically edubuntu etc are closer from Unity than GNOME and we want to keep being nice to them, at least for the LTS
[10:39] <xnox> seb128: ah.
[10:39] <xnox> seb128: ok.
[10:39] <seb128> that code is there, it doesn't cost a lot to keep it for the LTS
[10:40] <Laney> we'll have to alter the jobs as needed, but the scheme we came up with there is decent
[10:46] <xnox> Laney: ack.
[11:40] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, cairo 1.13 git snapshot is in trusty, just for info
[11:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for your help with the upload last  Friday!
[11:46] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw!
[11:46] <GunnarHj> seb128: As a reward you are invited to add a line to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GunnarHj/PPUApplication_ubuntu-docs ;-) (i.e. if you think you have a base for saying anything at all)
[11:46] <seb128> k
[11:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: TIA
[12:09] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100, mhr3, unity migrated to release pocket, you can add the next stuff
[12:09] <mhr3> sil2100, silo, silo, silo! :)
[12:10] <sil2100> ;) Doing!
[12:10]  * sil2100 needs to merge&clean first
[12:11] <sil2100> seb128: thanks for keeping us up to date!
[12:11] <seb128> shrug
[12:11] <seb128> sil2100, yw
[12:11] <seb128> bah, gdoc oops again
[12:11] <seb128> I hope it's not going to loose my line :p
[12:12] <seb128> sil2100, I would appreciate if I can get a silo for l43 today, that's a desktop change
[12:12] <sil2100> seb128: sure, let me take a look
[12:12] <sil2100> I don't see the line though!
[12:12] <sil2100> Let me refresh
[12:13] <sil2100> Just hope the spreadsheet problems didn't start again...
[12:13] <sil2100> seb128: ok, I see it now
[12:13] <seb128> good ;-)
[12:14] <mhr3> sil2100, someone needs to press the merge button first though?!
[12:14] <sil2100> mhr3: I pressed ;)
[12:15] <sil2100> Since I'm the lander-helper here, since bregma didn't get training yet
[12:15] <sil2100> Oh noes, spreadsheet problems again, grrr
[12:15] <seb128> larsu, so the fix is to revert the revert we had?
[12:16] <larsu> seb128: no, that's not enough. We also need https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/fix-evolution-mail-view/+merge/206696
[12:16] <larsu> I'm not sure I like this fix yet
[12:16] <seb128> oh ok
[12:16] <larsu> but it'll do for now (and let people read their emails again)
[12:16] <seb128> should I approve it then?
[12:17] <seb128> looks fine from my css newbie eye
[12:17] <larsu> sure, if it works for you :)
[12:23] <seb128> larsu, wfm
[12:25] <larsu> awesome :)
[13:11] <mdeslaur> hrm, I just did a dist-upgrade and now seem to have lost all my gtk2 theming
[13:11] <mdeslaur> or something
[13:13] <mdeslaur> oh, hrm, and I get both global menus and window menus
[13:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, seems like your gnome-settings-daemon is not running?
[13:15] <seb128> or unity-settings-daemon if you installed that
[13:15] <mdeslaur> seb128: yeah, neither one are running
[13:15] <seb128> that's your issue
[13:16] <seb128> did it stop in a running session? or is that a fresh boot/login having the issue?
[13:16] <mdeslaur> fresh boot
[13:16] <seb128> you don't have unity-settings-daemon installed I guess?
[13:16] <mdeslaur> seb128: nope, am I supposed to?
[13:16] <seb128> not yet no
[13:17] <seb128> I wonder why g-s-d is not running
[13:17] <seb128> that didn't change for 10 days
[13:17] <seb128> hum
[13:17] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/165306326/gnome-settings-daemon_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5.diff.gz
[13:18] <mdeslaur> d'oh
[13:18] <seb128> that makes me wonder why it has been working?
[13:18] <Laney> there was an override in unity
[13:18] <Laney> did that get dropped with the upload?
[13:18] <seb128> if the override was not in trunk, likely
[13:19] <Laney> bet that's it
[13:20] <seb128> yep
[13:20] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/166501925/unity_7.1.2%2B14.04.20131106.1-0ubuntu5_7.1.2%2B14.04.20140214.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[13:20] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks, I'm going to fix that
[13:20] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[13:20]  * mdeslaur hands seb128 a mop
[13:21] <seb128> sil2100, didrocks: I'm overlooked that we dropped http://launchpadlibrarian.net/165334512/unity_7.1.2%2B14.04.20131106.1-0ubuntu3_7.1.2%2B14.04.20131106.1-0ubuntu4.diff.gz as well this morning and we need to restore that, or no g-s-d running for trusty users ... can we go through a quick CI train round for it or should I manual upload?
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, xnox: hum, is there a reason to not just install u-s-d?
[13:24] <Laney> dunno, letting robert handle that
[13:25] <didrocks> seb128: sure
[13:25] <xnox> seb128: works for me fine.
[13:25] <seb128> ok, he dropped me an email this morning with a few items
[13:25] <seb128> I'm going to let hum handle that
[13:25] <seb128> him
[13:27] <didrocks> seb128: so, someone backported the changelog without backporting the other changes?
[13:28] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, seems so, r3648 from Mirv
[13:29] <didrocks> :(
[13:29] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/3648
[13:40] <didrocks> seb128: sorry, with all the pings, I lost track, are you going to make a quick landing? (I can assign a slot quickly)
[13:41] <didrocks> ah, on -ci-eng
[13:41] <seb128> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity/restore-gsd-override/+merge/206715
[13:41]  * didrocks scrollback
[13:41] <seb128> didrocks, I'm waiting from bregma to know if he wants to include some other fixes
[13:42] <didrocks> seb128: ok, as long as it's not risky changes
[13:42] <didrocks> I'll let you, just ping me :)
[13:42] <rsalveti> Laney: had to update the gst-bad package so we could get it to work with nexus 10 (needed for mwc), will test your package split later today and do a rebase
[13:46] <ivanka> hi tkamppeter
[13:47] <ogra_> bah
[13:47] <ogra_> who uploaded evo last !
[13:47] <ogra_> my message preview window is black in the latest version
[13:48] <ogra_> Laney, hmm, smells like your last fix doesnt work anymore
[13:49] <seb128> ogra_, get somebody from CI to land ubuntu-themes (I put a landing ask for it on the old non CI landing)
[13:49] <ogra_> ah
[13:49] <seb128> ogra_, the fix is in there, we just need an upload
[13:50] <seb128> bregma, do you plan to ask for a compiz landing as well today? we could do with https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/compiz/unity-control-center/+merge/206635 in the archive to finish that transition
[13:50] <bregma> seb128, yes, that's next
[13:51] <seb128> bregma, thanks
[13:51] <seb128> bregma, congrats on getting things landing and rolling again btw ;-)
[13:52] <bregma> seb128, you have no idea how painful this cycle has been so far
[13:52] <tkamppeter> ivanka, hi
[13:52] <seb128> bregma, let's cross finger that we are over those issues and landings can happen in a smooth way now then
[13:54] <ivanka> tkamppeter, I need some help with a printer and I thought you might be able to help me
[13:57] <seb128> bregma, shrug, merge failed because some of your mp are missing commit message, can you fix that? let me know once you do so I can rekick
[13:59] <bregma> seb128, fixed and double-checked
[13:59] <seb128> bregma, thanks
[14:00] <Sweetshark> ricotz: You re right, lets push 4.2.1~rc1 to the main PPA and the 4.2 one. Better that way.
[14:01] <Sweetshark> ricotz: And thanks for doing the backports that quickly over the weekend!
[14:01]  * Sweetshark forgot his manners.
[14:01] <Sweetshark> Hi all! ;)
[14:02] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, how are you?
[14:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: great as ricotz is an awesome help in providing backports. :)
[14:04] <seb128> nice
[14:04] <Sweetshark> ... also I can almost walk again (unlike the weekend).
[14:04] <seb128> did you drunk that much?
[14:04] <Sweetshark> >.<
[14:04] <seb128> drink*
[14:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: nah, somehow hurt my knee -- strange thing, was at the doctor today, but its getting better now.
[14:06] <seb128> k, good to read you are getting better
[14:06] <Sweetshark> seb128: how was your weekend?
[14:08] <seb128> Sweetshark, quite nice & relaxing, thanks. I did some sport on saturday, watched some more sport on TV (winter games) and didn't do a lot otherwise
[14:08] <seb128> Sweetshark, how was yours?
[14:09] <desrt> good morning, all
[14:12] <desrt> and pitti
[14:13] <pitti> Good morning
[14:13] <seb128> hey desrt, pitti
[14:13] <pitti> bonjour desrt et seb128
[14:13] <seb128> pitti, did you have a nice trip? how is your jetlag?
[14:14] <seb128> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6948957/ ... can I get a peer review please? ;-)
[14:14] <pitti> seb128: the trip was okay, and we spend a really nice day in SF yesterday, thanks!
[14:14] <seb128> nice
[14:14] <seb128> did you go to see the sea lions? ;-)
[14:16] <pitti> seb128: woke up early as usual, and now trying to understand the recent cloud-image change which broke VMs
[14:16] <pitti> seb128: yes, as usual :) we walked all the way to the Pacific again, was nice
[14:16] <seb128> ;-)
[14:22] <ochosi> bregma: saw you processed 1.2.0 of light-locker, thanks a bunch!
[14:22] <ochosi> it's very much appreciated
[14:32] <seb128> shrug, user switching keeps screwing my sessions
[14:32] <seb128> is anyone seen that on trusty (intel video)?
[14:32] <pitti> works fine in general
[14:32] <seb128> that started 10 days ago for me
[14:32] <pitti> I occasionally see some video corruption, I get the screen filled with underscore-like characters
[14:32] <pitti> but a Ctrl+L fixes that
[14:32] <seb128> every 3-4 user switching I end up with a blank screen and a cursor
[14:33] <seb128> no greeter, and my user session closed
[14:33] <seb128> I'm going to download lightdm to try to rule that out, it was rock solid in january
[14:33] <seb128> issues started around the time we upgraded xorg to 1.15, could be xorg/intel
[14:37] <seb128> shrug
[14:37] <seb128> gtk autopkgtest started failing today
[14:39] <seb128> -Setting up gjs-tests (1.38.1-0ubuntu2) ...
[14:39] <seb128> +Setting up gjs-tests (1.39.3-0ubuntu1) ...
[14:39] <pitti> seb128: see #ubuntu-devel
[14:39] <Laney> seb128: yeah, makes sense
[14:40] <Laney> ogra_: it's fixed in the theme, not the same thing
[14:40] <seb128> pitti, is that due to the proxy? or due to the gjs?
[14:40] <Laney> rsalveti: okay cool, looking forward to your testing
[14:40] <ogra_> Laney, so i learned
[14:40] <pitti> seb128: for now I suspect the proxy
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:40] <seb128> pitti, ok
[14:40] <Laney> rsalveti: not sure I dare to ask, but is there any work on upstreaming?
[14:40] <seb128> there is a major gjs version update from darkxst as well though
[14:40] <pitti> seb128: could be either, but I first want to fix VM building, then fix/revert proxies (to see which tests don't get along with that), and then start blaming new versions
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, k
[14:41] <seb128> Laney, btw, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/evolution/revert-reverting-0cb0dc0/+merge/206698 ... if you feel like sponsoring that
[14:42] <Laney> "was is black"!
[14:42] <Laney> will do
[14:42] <seb128> thanks
[14:46] <rsalveti> Laney: not atm, as jim is fully focused to land the new mediaservice (so we can drop the need for qtmultimedia), but that should happen once he's done with it
[14:46] <Laney> ok
[14:46] <rsalveti> I don't want to maintain that huge patch for so long either :-)
[14:51] <xnox> is it just me, or does lightdm at times not accept keyboard input on boot
[14:51] <xnox> ?
[14:51] <seb128> xnox, bug #1255558
[14:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1255558 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Can't type my password after cold boot" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255558
[14:52] <seb128> xnox, you can unblock it by using the keyboard indicator (workaround but better than nothing)
[14:52] <bregma> xnox, clicking on any indicator will actually refocus the input box afterward
[14:53] <xnox> seb128: was that filed, like the day after we switched to logind?
[14:53] <xnox> =)
[14:54] <seb128> xnox, lol, no, that's from trusty cycle ;-)
[14:55] <ogra_> just use the onscreen kbd ... we're going all touch, y'know ?
[15:06] <seb128> Laney, do you understand why indicator-datetime/unity-control-center are not migrating?
[15:06] <Laney> let me see
[15:07] <seb128> Laney, indicator-datetime stopped building unity-control-center-datetime
[15:07] <seb128> unity-control-center C,R,P it
[15:07] <seb128> so the binary should be NBS and provided by u-c-c
[15:07] <seb128> that should be enough no?
[15:13] <Laney> seb128: hmm, I'm not sure what the best way out is
[15:14] <Laney> maybe removing the old binary package? I'd check with cjw, he'll probably know
[15:18] <desrt> do we know any ukrainians?
[15:20] <xnox> desrt: well....
[15:26] <seb128> mpt, do you have any comment about http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/headphone.png (https://code.launchpad.net/~diwic/unity-settings-daemon/what-did-you-plug-in/+merge/206573), I think some of the spacing are wrong (at least the one between the buttons at the bottom)
[15:26]  * desrt finally adds g_str_to_ascii() to GLib today
[15:27] <seb128> desrt, do you need translations or...?
[15:27] <desrt> ukrainian has some... oddities
[15:27] <desrt> i found some ukrainian strings in the .po files that test the cases i need, though
[15:27] <desrt> and a website that seems to confirm that i'm doing it correctly
[15:28] <xnox> desrt: i know some ukrainian, and indeed it has interesting properties.
[15:28] <xnox> ditto e.g. polish
[15:29] <desrt> polish is pretty boring wrt. transliteration because it's already latin-based
[15:29] <xnox> desrt: ah, true =)
[15:29] <seb128> bregma, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-006/ seems fine to me, could you guys give it a round of testing as well and +1 it if you are happy for the landing to be done?
[15:29] <desrt> what makes ukrainian interesting is that it has a non-latin alphabet and a non-trivial government-specified standard for transliteration to english
[15:29] <mpt> seb128, yes, should be 6px between the large buttons, 6px between “Cancel” and “Sound Settings…”, and 12px below the small buttons. Also that “…” looks suspiciously like “...”.
[15:30] <xnox> desrt: note that government-specified standard is only use for translatirating names, and not used commonly by people.
[15:30] <mpt> Ah, MP
[15:30] <seb128> mpt, can you comment on the mp? thanks
[15:30] <mpt> yes I will
[15:30] <xnox> desrt: e.g. www.translit.ru is probably the most comprehensive transliterator which works as people expect it to be, most of the time.
[15:30] <desrt> xnox: are you ukrainian?
[15:30] <seb128> mpt, the … use is correct :p (pointed it in the previous revision)
[15:30] <xnox> desrt: no, i'm russian.
[15:30] <desrt> so this string: Зліва направо, згори вниз
[15:31] <desrt> how does this look to you: Zliva napravo, zhory vnyz
[15:31] <desrt> specifically this 'zh'
[15:31] <bregma> seb128, I'm giving it a round of testing, but the ci-train is messed up
[15:32] <seb128> bregma, that's fine, I can still press jenkins buttons
[15:32] <xnox> desrt: yeah, that's fine. and one style of doing it =)
[15:33] <xnox> desrt: sometimes one can also do a different scheme e.g.: zgori vniz
[15:33] <desrt> ya.. there seems to be a lot of confusion around i/y and particularly the treatment of з wrt. z/g/h
[15:34] <desrt> http://ua.translit.cc/ is the first hit i get for 'ukrainian transliteration' and it seems to do it the government way
[15:34] <desrt> so i'm happy enough :)
[15:35] <Laney> ya, just have glib call out to that
[15:36] <mpt> seb128, commented
[15:36] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[15:37] <desrt> sweet jesus yes -- at long last -- the holy grail
[15:37] <desrt> this passes: http://ur1.ca/gn4ph
[15:37] <desrt> "ü" can convert to "u" AND "ue", depending on language
[15:37] <desrt> IN THE SAME PROCESS
[15:38]  * desrt kicks dirt in the general direction of iconv
[15:43] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100: is gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas under CI train? I don't find it on the table
[15:45] <bregma> seb128, everything tests OK https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-006/ except autopilot (which takes 3.5 hours to run) so I'm giving the +1 if you care to push buttons
[15:46] <bregma> if the fixes to the AP tests that went in are broken, it can be handled later any way
[15:48] <seb128> bregma, upload done, thanks
[15:53] <sil2100> seb128: hi! If it's not in the spreadsheet then I guess it's not right now, let me look
[15:53] <seb128> sil2100, the merge requests don't seem to be automerged either, it's weird
[15:54] <sil2100> seb128: maybe CI was never enabled for it?
[15:54] <sil2100> Checking the config
[15:55] <seb128> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/trunk has commits from the jenkins bot
[15:58] <sil2100> seb128: oh, I see it's migrated to CITrain already
[16:06] <seb128> sil2100, ok; thanks, not sure why it's missing for the owners list then
[16:07] <seb128> sil2100, btw how is the ubuntu-themes landing going? ;-)
[16:10] <sil2100> seb128: I'm back from the vet now, and I see the packages built so publishing in a moment ;)
[16:11] <seb128> sil2100, great, thank you
[16:15] <Laney> pitti: hey, can you educate me in how to patch the code for a dbusmock template method please?
[16:16] <Laney> do I just AddMethod with the same interface, name, signatures?
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/scale-factor-for-unity7-unity8/+merge/206240 again, it seems like our current set of sources/binaries for schemas/default is a bit weird ... what do you think? where should we put "shared" keys?
[16:18] <Laney> shared in what sense?
[16:19] <seb128> desktop and touch
[16:19] <seb128> e.g https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/scale-factor-for-unity7-unity8/+merge/206240
[16:19] <seb128> the scale factor is not for touch, it's for unity 7 and 8
[16:19] <Laney> oh, yeah, I kind of wish that 'touch' wasn't in the name
[16:19] <seb128> it feels weird to have it in -touch
[16:19] <hikiko> +1
[16:20] <seb128> should we just rename it?
[16:20] <seb128> I wonder if that should just be part of ubuntu-settings
[16:21] <hikiko> seb128, it was part of unity7 initially but we put it in gsettings-touch because there was a requirement to use it from unity8 too
[16:21] <Laney> 'that' being this schema or all of them?
[16:21] <seb128> hikiko, right, the -touch is a bit unfortunate in the name
[16:21] <seb128> Laney, "that" being the scale key I guess
[16:22] <hikiko> Laney, the schema contains only one setting
[16:22] <Laney> yes
[16:22] <hikiko> yes the scale factor
[16:22] <Laney> but the package contains a few schemas
[16:22] <seb128> well, there is no reason the other ones need to be touch specific
[16:22] <hikiko> I didnt use one of the existing schemas because I thought that they are touch specific
[16:22] <seb128> in retrospective we didn't pick the right name
[16:22] <seb128> well, nothing else use them today
[16:23] <Laney> Feel free to rename the package
[16:23] <seb128> but there is no reason they are "touch" specific, touch is not even an official product name
[16:23] <seb128> yeah, adding to my todolist
[16:23] <Laney> gsettings-ubuntu-schemas would be ok
[16:23] <seb128> +1
[16:23] <Laney> then have a normal transitional package because we have versioned depends there
[16:23] <seb128> right
[16:23] <seb128> until the LTS
[16:24] <seb128> then we can drop it
[16:24] <Laney> ya
[16:24] <Laney> not long
[16:24] <seb128> hikiko, is that landing blocking other thing?
[16:24] <seb128> I'm going to put a landing request for it
[16:25] <hikiko> I will use the setting on unity7 and unity-control-center only
[16:25] <Laney> can't it go in together with those things?
[16:25] <Laney> in a silo
[16:25] <seb128> right, I'm just wondering if you have merges approved/ready to land yet
[16:25] <hikiko> and at some point the unity8 people will need it too but not soon I think
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, well, it can go alone first
[16:25] <Laney> if the type turns out to be wrong for example
[16:25] <Laney> and it's already out there
[16:25] <seb128> I'm just pondering doing a landing now to unblock others
[16:25] <hikiko> no seb128, I will have a unity-control-center branch later today or tomorrow morning
[16:26] <seb128> since I'm not likely to get to the renaming today
[16:26] <seb128> ok
[16:26] <Laney> your call, but I'd wait until the code to use it is ready too and do them together
[16:26] <seb128> let's do that tomorrow then
[16:26] <seb128> yeah
[16:26] <seb128> I'm going to do the rename tomorrow
[16:26] <seb128> and we can land key/code later in the week
[16:26] <hikiko> ok seb128 :) thank you!
[16:26] <seb128> Laney, hikiko: thanks
[16:26] <Laney> not fussed about the rename, that can happen whenever if we use a transitional
[16:26] <Laney> cheers
[16:28] <seb128> right, I would avoid adding an unity7 depends to the touch name to rename it later, but it's a detail
[16:28] <Laney> nod
[16:41] <hikiko> seb128, ok I wont add the dep before the rename :)
[16:41] <seb128> hikiko, thanks
[16:50] <Sweetshark> seb128: oh cool, watching wintergames. ;)
[16:50]  * Sweetshark is still look for a full copy of the snowboard cross event. The extracts already looked awesome.
[16:54] <hikiko> seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity-control-center/unity-control-center.per-monitor-fonts-scale-factor-slider/+merge/205227 here is my MP for the control center, I didnt add the dependency so you can rename it, if some of you gnome people could review it btw it would be great :)
[16:57] <seb128> hikiko, I'm almost done working for today, and robert_ancell did some reviews on that before, so I'm going to let it for him. If he doesn't review it during his day I can have a look tomorrow
[16:58] <hikiko> sure seb128 :) have a good evening!
[16:58] <seb128> hikiko, nice to that code shorter/without the crazy parser btw ;-)
[16:58] <seb128> hikiko, I'm still around for half an hour or so (finishing other stuff) but thanks, you too ;-)
[16:59] <hikiko> haha, I didnt know about gvariants when I wrote the parser and using a string/linked list seemed to be the best option :)
[16:59] <hikiko> there's no need for that anymore
[17:00] <seb128> great ;-)
[17:00] <jasoncwarner__> hey seb128 , bregma was asking for some help with this bug for unity 8 preview session https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1277244
[17:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1277244 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging] unity8-desktop-session" [Wishlist,New]
[17:01] <seb128> jasoncwarner, hey, any specific about what sort of help? review? packaging for him? sponsoring?
[17:01] <bregma> review and sponsoring
[17:01] <seb128> bregma, hey, you know you can ping us directly or ask for help on the channel? ;-)
[17:02] <seb128> bregma, step 1, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[17:02] <bregma> seems I'm busy desperately trying to get everything landed before FF with a brand-new incompatible workflow imposed on us at the last minute
[17:02] <bregma> weird, right?
[17:03] <seb128> bregma, what new workflow? the CI one? should be fine now that you bootstrapped
[17:03] <seb128> bregma, btw new cairo/gtk are in trusty proper, I know some of you were waiting on it for Hi-DPI
[17:04] <seb128> bregma, I'm happy to help you doing CI landings for compiz/unity
[17:18] <Laney> When writing a test for a bug fix, it helps to have the bug fix in the tree you're developing from
[17:18] <Laney> TIL
[17:20] <seb128> seems like a reasonable statement indeed
[17:38] <hikiko> bye everybody!
[18:33] <Sweetshark> and off for today: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/76313652283/unfortunately-thats-how-shift-rotation-looks-to ...
[19:06] <ogra_> Laney, so with the new evo my mail text is white again ... sadly the whole frame around it is now black :)
[19:07] <ogra_> (or is that still somewhere stuck in proposed ?)
[19:34] <Laney> did you get the theme?
[19:35] <ogra_> ubuntu-artwork ?
[19:35] <ogra_> 1:13.04+14.04.20140217-0ubuntu1
[19:35] <ogra_> oh
[19:36] <ogra_> seems light-themes didnt get upgraded along ... i wonder why
[19:36] <ogra_> hmm, no, it did
[19:41] <Laney> it fixed the problem for me on both machines
[19:41] <Laney> check with larsu in the morning
[19:41] <Laney> or file a bug with screenshots
[19:43] <ogra_> do i need to log out for that ?
[19:43] <ogra_> ( i certainly didnt)
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> hello desktop
[21:13] <robert_ancell> desrt, is https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-control-center/show-login-name/+merge/206325/comments/484788 true? The loop is crap but does the schema source lookup cause overhead parsing metadata?
[21:13] <robert_ancell> desrt, you really should have a g_settings_schema_exists...
[21:14] <desrt> robert_ancell: no.. the metadata doesn't get pulled in until you use the _get_summary/description APIs
[21:14] <desrt> robert_ancell: i want to make it just hard enough to check if a schema exists so that people have to think twice before doing so
[21:14] <desrt> because doing so is _always_ wrong
[21:15] <desrt> it should only ever be used as a temporary hack
[21:15] <desrt> actually -- i take that back -- there are some places that it makes sense
[21:16] <desrt> mostly in really dynamic situations... the sort of things you would find in a plugin system or something like gnome-session where you can specify a schema by name from an application's autostart file
[21:16] <desrt> but nowhere inside anything resembling 'normal application' code
[21:17] <robert_ancell> desrt, should a lookup be recursive for a "standard" schema?
[21:17] <desrt> yes
[21:17] <desrt> a schema source is one directory
[21:17] <desrt> so if you have like /usr/local/share and /usr/share in your xdg_data_dirs then local/share will be the default schema source, with /usr/share as the parent
[21:18] <desrt> recursive means to check through the parents...
[21:35] <robert_ancell> xnox, Google seems to have decided all mail from you is spam :(
[21:38] <xnox> robert_ancell: yeah.
[21:38] <xnox> robert_ancell: well not from me, those that are generated by launchpad and not actually sent by me.
[21:38] <xnox> robert_ancell: i think i'll disable DMARC for now
[21:39] <bregma> robert_ancell, could you please update lp:~robert-ancell/compiz/unity-control-center to merge trunk, I'd like to get it landed today
[21:40] <robert_ancell> bregma, I'll do it now
[21:40]  * bregma is riding the ci-train like a cowboy on a bull
[21:41] <robert_ancell> bregma, holy crap that is a big changelog entry!
[21:41] <robert_ancell> bregma, should I put anything in debian/changelog or is that all automatically added now?
[21:41] <darkxst> pitti, around?
[21:42] <bregma> robert_ancell, I have no idea, I haven't got any formal training yet
[21:43] <robert_ancell> bregma, It looks like it is now, branch updated
[21:43] <bregma> yep, I checked other landings, so it's definitely added automagically
[21:44] <bregma> I'll get the landing rebuild started, thanks
[22:08] <darkxst> gjs autopackage tests are now failing on jenkins, with (/usr/lib/gjs/gjs/installed-tests/jsunit:11564): Gjs-WARNING **: JS ERROR: Error: Requiring GjsPrivate, version none: Typelib file for namespace 'Gtk', version '3.0' not found
[22:08] <darkxst> @resource:///org/gnome/gjs/modules/format.js:3
[22:08] <darkxst> @/usr/lib/gjs/gjs/installed-tests/js/testFormat.js:3
[22:08] <meetingology> darkxst: Error: "resource:///org/gnome/gjs/modules/format.js:3" is not a valid command.
[22:08] <meetingology> darkxst: Error: "/usr/lib/gjs/gjs/installed-tests/js/testFormat.js:3" is not a valid command.
[22:09] <darkxst> even though GjsPrivate is installed
[22:44] <Laney> darkxst: it sounds like a missing dependency on gir1.2-gtk-3.0 to me
[22:44] <darkxst> Laney, yeh worked that out now
[22:44] <Laney> +if ENABLE_GTK +GjsPrivate_1_0_gir_INCLUDES += Gtk-3.0 +endif
[22:44] <Laney> from the diff
[22:45] <Laney> use http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html#executing-the-test starting at bzr branch lp:auto-package-testing to make sure they work
[22:45] <darkxst> I havent been able to get that working yet
[22:46] <darkxst> get network? errors and then fails to connect to VM
[22:46] <Laney> hmm, it works for me :/
[22:46] <Laney> try getting adt-virt-schroot or adt-virt-lxc working then
[22:47]  * Laney can never remember the flags to adt-run
[22:49] <darkxst> it fails on the prepare-testbed command http://pastebin.com/W16cVHu6
[23:24] <desrt> Laney: hey
[23:25] <desrt> Laney: going through glib now trying to fix bad testcases
[23:25] <desrt> Laney: figured out gdbus-names and neutered the gapplication failure too
[23:25] <desrt> Laney: did you have a list of the others?
[23:32] <robert_ancell> desrt, what is the correct way to add an element to an existing GVariant dictionary?
[23:32] <robert_ancell> Do you need to build a new dictionary?
[23:33] <desrt> robert_ancell: GVariantDict
[23:34] <robert_ancell> desrt, uh, does not exist yet?
[23:34] <desrt> robert_ancell: i'm releasing the tarball in about 15 minutes :)
[23:48] <jasoncwarner> hey robert_ancell just going through a test install and realized we still say '13.10' in default greeter. did we get anything new from design yet?


[01:35] <purencool> yes can see awks  power but when I should use it has got me baffled
[01:38] <blahdeblah> purencool: awk is an example of a domain-specific language; you can do the same thing in other languages such as perl or python (in fact, there's a conversion script to make awk into perl), but you typically use less code and it works faster if you use awk.
[01:38] <blahdeblah> Here's a practical example: http://libertysys.com.au/blog/an-interesting-performance-difference-between-perl-and-awk
[01:41] <purencool> that is a huge gain in performance
[20:27] <purencool> blahdeblah: I am not sure what you mean by domain specific language. Is awk or gawk a domain specific language because it  mainly the data in processes  text files so that its domain? It does not use namespacing  does it?


[04:53] <schlopo> quit
[18:44] <schlopo> Greetings...anyone here yet?
[18:48] <cqfd93> Hi!
[18:49] <schlopo> Hey Sylvie!
[18:54] <schlopo> mornin' (or afternoon..or evening), Hannie
[18:55] <hannie> hey, schlopo how are you doing?
[18:55] <cqfd93> Good evening, Hannie!
[18:55] <hannie> hi everyone
[18:55] <schlopo> Very well. Good to see a few people arrive early...it means I did the UTC time conversion correctly!
[18:55] <hannie> let's hope the others are right on time :)
[18:57] <cqfd93> schlopo, you can have the Ubuntu clock display UTC time along with your local time
[18:59] <schlopo> shhhh....I'm on Windows8, not Ubuntu. :)
[19:00] <hannie> You're joking...
[19:00] <schlopo> I'm not.  I run all Ubuntu variants in a virtual machine.  Must have a Windows product for my financing software.
[19:01]  * schlopo guesses I could do the reverse...Ubuntu as my main system and run W8 in a virtual machine.
[19:01] <hannie> Don't you use multi-boot?
[19:01] <hannie> I have Windows on one hardrive, ubuntu on another
[19:01] <hannie> Works fine
[19:02] <schlopo> Food for thought for sure.
[19:02] <cqfd93> I'm glad I don't have windows8 ;-)
[19:02] <hannie> As long as you do not have Windows 8
[19:02] <godbyk> Hey, guys. Sorry I'm late.
[19:03] <hannie> Wait until you buy your next computer :(
[19:03] <cqfd93> Hi Kevin!
[19:03] <schlopo> The way software is heading, it's all going to be in the cloud soon (a la Adobe and Photoshop)....
[19:03] <schlopo> ...just need a browser and that's it.
[19:03] <hannie> hi godbyk
[19:03] <schlopo> Hey Kevin!
[19:03] <cqfd93> I buy computers without OS
[19:03] <schlopo> ...we'll wait a few more minutes, then get started.
[19:04] <schlopo> I, personally, need to hold to the 1hr limit do to other obligations today.
[19:04] <hannie> Yes, I am expecting Jim to join too
[19:04] <CarstenG> Hi at all
[19:04] <cqfd93> Hi All!
[19:04] <hannie> hi CarstenG
[19:05] <schlopo> CG's in the house....good to see you.
[19:05] <hannie> schlopo, we should be finished before 20:00 UTC
[19:05] <CarstenG> hi schlopo :-)
[19:06] <schlopo> ...ok, let's get going...give me a few seconds to get meetingology set up.
[19:06] <schlopo> #startmeeting
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[19:07] <schlopo> #chair schlopo
[19:07] <meetingology> Current chairs: schlopo
[19:07] <schlopo> #meetingtopic Authors and Editions meeting #2 for Ubuntu 13.10
[19:07] <schlopo> Alright, we're live. Please announce for the purposes of minutes and attendance.
[19:08] <schlopo> Heree
[19:08] <hannie> I'm present ;)
[19:08] <CarstenG> here
[19:08] <cqfd93> here!
[19:08] <godbyk> I'm here.
[19:09] <schlopo> #topic Upcoming Schedule/Due Dates
[19:09] <schlopo> Looks like September 19th, 2013 is our next due date. Any issues with this date? Concerns?
[19:10] <hannie> Well, not all chapters have authors, but we won't get any before sept 19th I guess
[19:10] <hannie> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdEdGQjRtUWtaOUZxREVzUldSOU5kc2c#gid=0
[19:10] <hannie> I personally am not too concerned about it
[19:11] <hannie> Raring and Saucy do not differ that much
[19:11] <schlopo> there are a few holes in the desktop chapter, but if you're not concerned, I'm not either.
[19:11] <hannie> I think we have to go through the chapters without authors to see if they need some changes
[19:12] <schlopo> I see that a column has been added to the spreadsheet indicating the status of a section from the author's perspective. Good call.
[19:12] <hannie> Yes, I did that
[19:12] <hannie> I want to be able to see if an author has finished
[19:13] <schlopo> Very helpful. I'll update my sections' status (stati? statum?) by tomorrow evening.
[19:13] <hannie> And editors status too, but that comes later
[19:13] <godbyk> hannie: Good idea. That'll work well with our new \status command.
[19:13] <CarstenG> hannie: Is it useful, to say »finished« before the feature Freeze?
[19:13] <godbyk> hannie: I'll see if I can generate a list of those statuses for you this weekend.
[19:13] <hannie> CarstenG, yes, there could still be changes, but not mayor ones
[19:14] <CarstenG> ok
[19:14] <schlopo> godbyk: assuming others have been using it (guess retrieving these statuses from the lastest rev will answer that question)
[19:14] <hannie> It is up to the author to bring in last changes
[19:15] <godbyk> schlopo: True. From watching the commits it looks like a lot of people have been updating them.
[19:15] <godbyk> schlopo: But we also have the date they were updated, so we will know when they haven't been keeping up to date.
[19:15] <schlopo> godbyk: Great!
[19:16] <schlopo> Any other input/concerns regarding upcoming due dates?
[19:17] <hannie> Well, like I said before, the line between authoring and editing becomes very thin. Some proofreading and editing has been done already
[19:17] <schlopo> Yea, it's going to definitely blend, especially since we've improved on our author<->editor connections this iteration.
[19:18] <schlopo> I think Kevin pulling a status report (and maybe emailing it to the list?) will be helpful in seeing who has yet to touch their section.
[19:18] <schlopo> ...and also which authors-editors are way ahead of the game.
[19:18] <hannie> schlopo, has thomas stopped contributing completely, or will he continue doing wine?
[19:19] <schlopo> Not sure about thomas...
[19:19] <schlopo> got an email from him saying he wanted to drop out of authoring, but still wanted to write a Wine section?
[19:19] <hannie> Ok. The wine section does not need to be changed because it has nothing to do with saucy anyway
[19:19] <schlopo> Almost sounds like he wants to do that exclusive to the manual.
[19:20] <godbyk> I think Thomas is interested in creating an entire manual just for Wine.
[19:20] <schlopo> I removed him from his assigned sections and assigned myself to them.
[19:20] <godbyk> I'm not sure if he's still going to work on the Wine section in our manual or not.
[19:20] <schlopo> godbyk: I'll take a look at it.
[19:20] <hannie> yes, so I understand. But I do not know if he still maintains our wine section
[19:21] <schlopo> Wine is under Advanced Topics. I'll own it.
[19:21] <hannie> ok, so that is solved then
[19:22] <schlopo> #action schlopo to verify contents of Wine section with the departure of Thomas
[19:22] <meetingology> ACTION: schlopo to verify contents of Wine section with the departure of Thomas
[19:22] <schlopo> #topic Communication with authors
[19:22] <hannie> CarstenG, can we already start making screenshots?
[19:23] <hannie> schlopo, sorry, that was not on the agenda...
[19:23] <CarstenG> hannie: Well, I would not before UI freeze on 19th September
[19:24] <hannie> ok
[19:24] <schlopo> No worries... :)
[19:24] <schlopo> Re: author communication, I intend to send out communication to all authors reminding them of the upcoming due dates. Again, will be helpful to have Kevin's data pulled from section statuses.
[19:24] <schlopo> I'm going to target (with a direct email) those who've not shown any activity.
[19:24] <godbyk> schlopo: I'll get that to you this weekend.
[19:25] <schlopo> ...the intent being to not hit the September 19th deadline with sections undone.
[19:25] <schlopo> godbyk: thanks...
[19:25] <schlopo> #action godbyk to prove results of section statuses to Ubuntu Manual coordinators
[19:25] <meetingology> ACTION: godbyk to prove results of section statuses to Ubuntu Manual coordinators
[19:26] <schlopo> #action schlopo to communicate deadline through mailing list to all authors, and target those who've shown no activity in their sections.
[19:26] <meetingology> ACTION: schlopo to communicate deadline through mailing list to all authors, and target those who've shown no activity in their sections.
[19:27] <schlopo> #topic Open Q & A
[19:27] <hannie> thanks in advance for the list, godbyk
[19:27] <godbyk> hannie: No problem. That's what the \status command is for. :)
[19:27] <schlopo> Alright...the floor's open...any issues/concerns we can tackle?
[19:28] <hannie> schlopo, do you mind if I move the email addresses from the spreadsheet to a separate sheet?
[19:29] <hannie> I already did, but I left yours where they were
[19:29] <schlopo> hannie: sure.
[19:29] <hannie> And do we need permission to put somebody's address on the sheet?
[19:30] <godbyk> I would avoid putting their addresses in the sheet since it's public.
[19:30] <godbyk> If it were restricted to fewer people, I wouldn't have a problem with it, though.
[19:30] <hannie> But they are there already, should we remove them and publish them in a sheet that is not public?
[19:30] <CarstenG> btw, why do we have the email addresses there? We all are at LP and on the Mailinglist.
[19:31] <hannie> So you want me to remove them completely?
[19:31] <schlopo> CarstenG: The mailing list can get noisy.
[19:32] <godbyk> CarstenG: I think they were just added there out of convenience. It makes it easy to copy and paste when you need to email a particular chapter's author or all the authors.
[19:32] <CarstenG> Well, if someone wants to contact someone else, he find the email address on LP or on the list (if that one has already written to the list)
[19:32] <hannie> CarstenG, you need to know a person's LP name
[19:33] <hannie> which is often a nick
[19:33] <schlopo> Yea, let's just put the LP username. They can take this name to LP and find the address.  A few extra steps is all.
[19:33] <CarstenG> This you see in the commit messages on bzr :-)
[19:33] <godbyk> CarstenG: Unless you want to email someone who hasn't been committing. ;-)
[19:34] <hannie> So we should add the LP names to the spreadsheet and remove the email addresses?
[19:34] <CarstenG> godbyk: Yes, you are right. :-) But do we have authors, who did not yet made a bzr commit?
[19:34] <schlopo> hannie: Yes
[19:34] <CarstenG> hannie: Yes, this sound better to me :-)
[19:34] <hannie> Ok, I can do it if you like
[19:35] <schlopo> Are you willing to do this, hannie?
[19:35] <hannie> ok
[19:35] <godbyk> I think that's a good solution.
[19:35] <godbyk> It makes it more difficult for spammers to harvest the email addresses.
[19:35] <schlopo> #action hannie to remove author/editor email addresses from the shared spreadsheet and replace with LaunchPad usernames/nicks
[19:35] <meetingology> ACTION: hannie to remove author/editor email addresses from the shared spreadsheet and replace with LaunchPad usernames/nicks
[19:36] <CarstenG> btw, can someone find the google document without having the specific link?
[19:36] <hannie> that's a good question. I think not.
[19:37] <hannie> Share options: everone who has the link...
[19:37] <schlopo> The link to the spreadsheet is in the NOTES section of the ubuntu-manual wiki, so, in terms of availability, it's easy to find.
[19:37] <hannie> is allowed to make changes to the spreadsheet
[19:37] <godbyk> Well, I have it organized in my Ubuntu Manual folder on Google Drive.
[19:38] <godbyk> But we can also add a link to the style guide if it'd be helpful.
[19:38] <schlopo> godbyk: ...also, in the NOTES section on the ubuntu-manual wiki
[19:39] <schlopo> I've added quite a bit information to this section as I (personally) was getting tired of filtering through old emails for how-tos, style guides, installation/customization instructions, etc.
[19:39] <hannie> Is it wise to make the link public (put it on the wiki)?
[19:39] <godbyk> I'm slowly trying to add all this info to the style guide so it can be the first place to check.
[19:40] <hannie> When we only spread it via our mailing list it will be available only to members of UMP
[19:40] <schlopo> The way I see it, if it's emailed (in a list or not), it's public.
[19:40] <godbyk> schlopo: Agreed. The mailing list has public archives.
[19:40] <hannie> The mailing list is only for members
[19:41] <schlopo> godbyk: I DEFINITELY would like to consolidate this information...maybe make a manual for the manual ?!
[19:41] <godbyk> schlopo: Yeah, that's essentially what the style guide is.
[19:41] <CarstenG> hannie: the list is for members, but the archive is public
[19:41] <hannie> ah, yes, public archives. You are right.
[19:42] <hannie> Would it be better to change the spreadsheet's share options so only members can change it?
[19:43] <schlopo> hannie: this doesn't solve the "privacy" concern, but it does prevent someone from going in and wiping away all the data.
[19:44] <schlopo> ...but then, it turns into a management concern (adding / removing members)
[19:44] <hannie> I am more concerned about the privacy then the risk of someone deleting the contents. I have a copy on my pc
[19:44] <hannie> *than
[19:45] <schlopo> hannie: true
[19:45] <CarstenG> btw, why do we have this informations on a google shreadsheet? We also can do it on the wiki, or?
[19:45] <hannie> The wiki needs a lot of manual formatting
[19:45] <CarstenG> spreadsheet...
[19:45] <hannie> The spreadsheet is much easier to use
[19:46] <schlopo> hannie, are you planning to call an editor's meeting in the future? Is there a need to rally your base in this regard?
[19:46] <hannie> Well, I am not a meeting tiger :)
[19:46] <godbyk> I'd suggest having an editors meeting closer to the authoring deadline.
[19:46]  * schlopo isn't either
[19:46] <godbyk> Just to make sure we didn't lose any editors and that they're ready to start editing.
[19:46] <hannie> If not necessary, I will not plan one. I prefer to use our ml
[19:47] <hannie> I do send editors a pm
[19:47] <godbyk> hannie: Good thinking.
[19:47] <hannie> And I try to keep in touch by email
[19:48] <hannie> But like with authors, there will be chapters without editors too
[19:49] <hannie> there are not too many gaps though. I am quite happy with the editors we have right now
[19:50]  * schlopo notes we have 10 minutes left.
[19:51] <hannie> I want to ask authors to reduce the number of marginnotes (if you all agree, that is)
[19:51]  * schlopo wonders if Sylvie dropped off the face of the IRC map.
[19:51] <schlopo> YES!
[19:51] <schlopo> ABSOLUTELY!
[19:51] <hannie> We have already discussed it in the past. I prefer to see text on the page itself
[19:51] <schlopo> THANK YOU!
[19:52]  * schlopo is excited at this suggestion (in case there be any doubt)
[19:52] <godbyk> I agree with that sentiment.
[19:52] <godbyk> The margin notes should be for optional material only. Short asides.
[19:52] <godbyk> They especially shouldn't be lengthy paragraphs.
[19:52] <schlopo> ...and also screenshots in the marginnotes! I think this is a bad idea.
[19:52] <CarstenG> hannie: You are right. It is also less work to move the marginnotes in the translations to the right place.
[19:52] <hannie> schlopo, shall I send an email to our ml about this?
[19:53] <schlopo> marginnotes should extend a concept...not explain a new one. Many notes I've come across are paragraphs in and of themselves.
[19:53] <godbyk> (Aside from the style issue, I usually have to finesse the position of the margin notes a bit before publication. So fewer margin notes would mean less work for me. :-))
[19:53] <schlopo> godbyk: You're welcome!
[19:53] <CarstenG> godbyk: Yes, this point I mean :-)
[19:53] <hannie> So we agree: the less marginnotes the better
[19:53] <godbyk> As far as screenshots in the margins... the only screenshots that should be in the margin are ones that are naturally small enough to fit there.
[19:54] <hannie> cqfd93, where are you? Hiding somewhere?
[19:54] <schlopo> hannie: yes, if you'd do that, I believe the UMP world would be in harmony.
[19:54] <godbyk> (Otherwise it looks awkward to have a tiny screenshot surrounded by inches of white space.)
[19:54] <CarstenG> yes, programm icons are IMHO ok in marginnotes.
[19:54] <cqfd93> I'm here, reading :-)
[19:54] <schlopo> CarstenG: alright...I've give in on this one!
[19:54] <schlopo> cqfd93: Good! :)
[19:54] <hannie> cqfd93, sorry for not asking you too about the screenshots
[19:55] <cqfd93> I just don't have much to say!
[19:55] <hannie> np
[19:55] <hannie> No translation questions?
[19:55] <cqfd93> I agree we have to wait until the UI freeze
[19:55] <hannie> good
[19:55] <schlopo> #action hannie to send an email to the mailing list about reducing the number of margin notes and avoiding screenshots (except icons where necessary).
[19:55] <meetingology> ACTION: hannie to send an email to the mailing list about reducing the number of margin notes and avoiding screenshots (except icons where necessary).
[19:56] <cqfd93> small screenshots like menus are ok in marginnotes
[19:57] <schlopo> I think we need to start now (on a non LTS release) to whittle down the marginnotes, so that the upcoming LTS release yields a much cleaner manual.
[19:57] <hannie> During the final phase we will go through the whole document to see if we can minimise margin notes (chapters without author/editor)
[19:58] <hannie> Is it minimise in US and minimize in GB?
[19:58] <schlopo> hannie: Yes.  With a Z in the US.
[19:58] <hannie> thanks
[19:58] <schlopo> Center vs Centre
[19:58] <schlopo> Utilise vs Utilize
[19:58] <schlopo> oy vey!
[19:59] <godbyk> Hooked on Phonics worked for us!  ;-)
[19:59] <hannie> I should stick to the agenda, I am a bit naughty
[19:59] <godbyk> Btw, speaking of translations, you guys are filling up my bookshelf pretty quickly: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5067756/IMG_20130824_145634.jpg
[20:00] <hannie> WOW! That looks pretty impressive
[20:00] <schlopo> Ya' know, Kevin, THAT is just a beautiful picture!
[20:00] <schlopo> A lot of volunteer person-hours represented there.
[20:00] <cqfd93> wow!
[20:00] <CarstenG> godbyk: Very nice. :-)
[20:00] <schlopo> A true testament to a geographically diverse community coming together to accomplish a task.
[20:00] <godbyk> And those are just from the past year. I don't have back copies of all the previous manuals.
[20:00] <CarstenG> Would be good for the website :-)
[20:01] <schlopo> CarstenG: +1
[20:01] <godbyk> I'll try to take a better photo without the glare of the flash sometime.
[20:01] <CarstenG> godbyk: And did you read all the books? ;-)
[20:01] <hannie> ok, and put it on the website
[20:02] <godbyk> Does anyone think it'd be worth it to move the older versions of the manual from lulu.com to createspace.com/amazon.com?
[20:02] <godbyk> Or should we just leave them there?
[20:02] <cqfd93> godbyk: I don't see the French version for 12.10...
[20:02] <godbyk> I haven't checked, but I doubt that many people are buying the older versions.
[20:02] <godbyk> cqfd93: Yeah, I missed that one. I'll have to order it next. :-)
[20:02] <cqfd93> ;-)
[20:03] <schlopo> Alright...on this VERY motivating note (thanks to our fearless leader)...are there any other issues?
[20:03] <hannie> I would not move them to createspace, except of course 12.04
[20:04] <godbyk> hannie: I think all the 12.04 are on CreateSpace except for the English edition. I'll double-check.
[20:04] <hannie> excellent
[20:05] <schlopo> Ok...so this will be the last author's meeting I'll chair. I'll punt now to hannie to coordinate any editor communication (which I, too, will join).
[20:05] <godbyk> schlopo: Thanks for your help with coordinating the authors.
[20:05] <hannie> Thanks for handing it over to me, schlopo ;)
[20:05] <schlopo> Thanks for being here! I'll post the logs of this meeting to the wiki and tackle most (if not all) my action items by Sunday evening.
[20:06] <schlopo> godbyk: My please.
[20:06] <schlopo> hannie: sure thing.
[20:06] <schlopo> godbyk: *pleasure.
[20:06] <hannie> godbyk, +1, thanks schlopo for all you do as authors coordinator
[20:06] <schlopo> #endmeeting
[20:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Aug 24 20:06:47 2013 UTC.
[20:06] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-manual/2013/ubuntu-manual.2013-08-24-19.07.moin.txt
[20:06] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-manual/2013/ubuntu-manual.2013-08-24-19.07.html
[20:07] <schlopo> Bye everyone!