[14:19] <syntroPi> brmph, hmm great then i have to setup all my stuff again :-/ why isnt it rolling release?...
[14:19] <brmph> syntroPi: Never been a ubuntu rolling
[14:19] <EriC^^> WarboyIndia: i think it's like argv[0]
[14:20] <brmph> syntroPi: There are the long term releases, 5 years support
[14:20] <EriC^^> WarboyIndia: cp /bin/bash ~/blabla then ./blabla echo $0 will return blabla
[14:20] <WarboyIndia> EriC^^, ok bro thanks
[14:21] <WarboyIndia> EriC^^, mean it will return the current program name?
[14:21] <syntroPi> yeah ubuntu is great, but id love to see something which has the most recent packages in a consistent way (some bugs wont hurt too much) if i dont have to resetup every half year
[14:21] <EriC^^> WarboyIndia: yeah
[14:21] <brmph> syntroPi: Latest packages, why?
[14:22] <dreamcat4> bekks: actually i should do both. First raise a report in ubuntu bugs, then comment on the existing debian bug so they can see / get anything relevant useful out of it to upstream
[14:22] <syntroPi> brmph, because of the exciting features in the newest versions, maybe its just me
[14:23] <brmph> syntroPi: Heh, well we all have our own issues. ;)
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> !latest | syntroPi
[14:24] <syntroPi> brmph, for servers i can understand that one might want to use a more conservative approach, but id like to have the most recent versions on my desktop for testing the new features, which always ends up in a ppa mess... once resolved the ppas working properly together i have to resetup those every half year, wihch is kinda annoying
[14:24] <jrbt> Hello.
[14:24] <jrbt> I have an issue with my Ubuntu Click install
[14:25] <jrbt> I've test to install a kit (ubuntu 15.04 armhf kit) from the ubuntu-sdk to develop Ubuntu Touch app.
[14:25] <brmph> jrbt: "click install"?
[14:25] <jrbt> and I have had:
[14:25] <jrbt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11821038/
[14:25] <sammyg> how to chain output of two terminal commands and then pipe them to printer?
[14:25] <syntroPi> lotuspsychje, yes i know that and i still am pleased with the ubuntu experience, but i really dont like those half year cycles, just my opinion though
[14:26] <brmph> jrbt: Not sure, but you might get some info from developers in the #touch channel
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> syntroPi: you can always suggest things in #ubuntu-devel
[14:26] <debaser> sammyg: man 'tee' and perhaps pipe it to lpt*
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> syntroPi: or join the mailing lists
[14:26] <brmph> jrbt: Sorry #ubuntu-touch
[14:27] <jrbt> Ok.
[14:27] <jrbt> thanks brmph!
[14:27] <brmph> jrbt: Was not sure, it seems supported here, just never seen anyone here messing with it.
[14:29] <debaser> what's an interesting channel to lurk in?
[14:29] <syntroPi> sammyg, maybe you could read about it here to find a starting point for google searches http://serverfault.com/questions/171095/how-do-i-join-two-named-pipes-into-single-input-stream-in-linux
[14:34] <tyer> When i login to my ubuntu box i dont have any panel how do i fix this?
[14:35] <tyer> I am using ubuntu 14.04
[14:39] <ioria> tyer have you tried the Guest account ?
[14:39] <tyer> ioria will try that
[14:40] <sammyg> debaser: "author Richard M. Stallman", et al
[14:41] <sammyg> wow! i have not encountered his name on man pages until now :)
[14:41] <tyer> ioria that worked
[14:42] <sammyg> syntroPi: thanks! i found one that worked
[14:42] <ioria> tyer so, could be something wrong in your .config or .compiz
[14:43] <brmph> tyer: Did you uncheck unity in compiz?
[14:43] <sammyg> syntroPi: i just wanted output from fdisk and parted on paper
[14:43] <sammyg> syntroPi: i used this one : "(fdisk -l /dev/sda && parted -l /dev/sda) | lp"
[14:43] <tyer> ioria how? i am a totall noob with ubuntu
[14:44] <bekks> sammyg: That will work only if fdisk is successful.
[14:44] <sammyg> i used && operator but i don't know if that's a must... anyway... it worked
[14:44] <ioria> tyer you could mv the folder to .config-old, for example ... it's hidden folder , press ctlr h
[14:44] <sammyg> bekks: ok... is there a simpler, more less error prone method?
[14:44] <sammyg> it must be done on one line...
[14:45] <sammyg> otherwise it's not simple enough :)
[14:45] <tyer> ioria okay
[14:45] <ioria> tyer .compiz-old, and reboot
[14:45] <bekks> sammyg: use ; instead of &&
[14:46] <sammyg> bekks: you mean semicolon? why is that?
[14:46] <bekks> sammyg: Because ; separates commands.
[14:46] <sammyg> also, why would fdisk not be successful? non mbr disk or what?
[14:46] <sammyg> ok
[14:47] <tyer> ioria cant find .compiz-old
[14:47] <bekks> sammyg: fdisk wirll not work correctly on GPT labeled disks.
[14:47] <bekks> *will
[14:47] <sammyg> ok
[14:47] <ioria> tyer you have to spot compiz, not compiz-old, compiz-old is the new name
[14:48] <ioria> tyer or compiz-1,
[14:48] <sammyg> bekks: is there a command to probe for mbr or gpt disk?
[14:48] <tyer> ioria found it
[14:48] <tyer> ioria should i delete that file?
[14:48] <ioria> tyer you have to backup the two  folders
[14:48] <tyer> or folder
[14:48] <ioria> tyer save under new names
[14:48] <sammyg> but then you need an if and an if else statement and so on... so it's more of a bash script then... so that would break the similicity
[14:49] <ioria> tyer so, you can restore it if you want
[14:49] <tyer> ioria okay thanks :)
[14:49] <bekks> sammyg: parted should do the job. Why do you need both on a paper?
[14:49] <sammyg> the commands must be within parentheses like (command & command)
[14:49] <sammyg> bekks: as part of a disk analysis
[14:49] <bekks> sammyg: Why do you need more than one command at all?
[14:50] <bekks> sammyg: Which information in particular does fdisk/parted give you which the other doesnt?
[14:50] <asus202e> h i there! I have been trying to remap my brightness up/down keys on my asus machine running ubuntu14.x. Currently its Fn+f4 and Fn+f5. I would like to remap it as F4 and F5. Can someone help?
[14:51] <sammyg> because of display format and partition table entry order
[14:51] <brmph> asus202e: Release and desktop? For the channel.
[14:51] <bekks> sammyg: that information is irrelevant :)
[14:52] <asus202e> asus f202e laptop, ubuntu 14.04lte. I was able to do the same for vol up and down a few months back. but forgot how to access it.....
[14:52] <brmph> asus202e: If this is unity you would use ccsm I believe
[14:52] <sammyg> bekks: ah yes, but it's easier on my eyes seeing sizes in "human" values (as the du -h option calls it) of mega, giga, and so on
[14:53] <bekks> sammyg: human readable values are inaccurate.
[14:53] <sammyg> bekks: besides, i wanted to see if it is possible to have them both! ;)
[14:53] <bekks> sammyg: Especially when it comes to detailed analysis.
[14:53] <jrbt> Ola
[14:53] <sammyg> bekks: ok, maybe not so detailed then... :D
[14:53] <jrbt> I have some issues with the default kernel installation
[14:53] <jrbt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11821137/
[14:53] <jrbt> I don't want reboot :D
[14:54] <sammyg> bekks: while at it, you know a command that will print the disk partition table strucutres in full?
[14:54] <bekks> sammyg: parted
[14:55] <frank1e> I'm watching naked gun 33 1/3 now
[14:57] <frank1e> the intro already makes my day
[14:57] <sammyg> bekks: i was think more like something that will show me EBR entries, hex values, and linked (or rather screwed) second EBR tables on same disk... perhaps a more verbose version of parted?
[14:57] <brmph> frank1e: Do you need ubuntu support?
[14:57] <frank1e> brmph, Sorry, wrong channel.  I have a ubuntu server installation on a laptop mobo and its currently inside a skybox. I need a way of having a media centre on it through the various ports. I am thinking of buying a usb-to-hdmi converter of amazon but I have a problem with what to do... How would I go about running a media centre on a ubuntu server style box. Its not just going to be a media centre,
[14:58] <AaronTheGreat> Its going to control alot of things in my house... What sort of software should I start with, And another thing, I only want the Media centre on one screen, Is there a way to run a java GUI/swing or anything else on another screen...
[14:58] <bekks> sammyg: parted connects and displays these ininformation automagically.
[14:59] <brmph> asus202e: I asked a question you did not answer, and went ahead and answered on the most common DE here.
[15:00] <asus202e> brmph- sorry, newbie here...whats DE? I thought I answered what you asked -  laptop, asus f202e running ubuntu 14.04...did i misunderstand?
[15:02] <sammyg> bekks: i figured that much... but it's strange... i have fedora next to ubuntu... and when i installed fedora, i chose standard partitions, no LVM, and it installed itself and is working, but for some reason "parted -l" shows my last two partitions (fedora) as being "primary"... secondary linux extended partition added? i had one extended partition with windows... so it's windows, ubuntu, and fedora
[15:02] <drew_> Hey... Completely new to Linux. Need to edit my hosts, but when I try to type in the editor, nothing happens. Am I missing something? In the text editor, I typed in "sudo vim /etc/hosts" got the list, but cant type to edit.
[15:03] <AaronTheGreat> Tried nano?
[15:03] <sammyg> bekks: the fedora partition sits outside of boundry of extended partition, F type, while ubuntu sits inside it... any idea?
[15:03] <AaronTheGreat> "sudo nano /etc/hosts"
[15:03] <EriC^^> !hosts | drew_
[15:03] <sammyg> any good text-mode (or gui) disk manager or sector for linux?
[15:04] <sammyg> i meant disk editor...
[15:04] <sammyg> or sector editor...
[15:04] <drew_> Thanks Aaron. That worked.
[15:04] <AaronTheGreat> :)
[15:05] <asus202e> RE: CCSM and unity.....I have a GUI, if that is Unity...how would one go about getting CCSM to work?
[15:05] <Razzdoll> Hello everyone. I have a problem with ubuntu (15.04) regarding videos. They work with sound too but when I startup VLC MEdia player, there is no sound until I skip a few seconds into it. And with the videos on Facebook that I watch. They do play, and have sound, but they stop after a few seconds in, and the videos could be 5-6 minutes each. Does anyone have any ideas?
[15:06] <bekks> sammyg: I have no clue what you are talking about, whithout the output of fdisk/parted and because I havent understand what your were saying due to the excessive usage of .
[15:06] <brmph> asus202e: By installing compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:07] <asus202e> I see. thanks! Let me look it up and come back in a bit.
[15:07] <brmph> asus202e: Be very careful in changing ccsm, have a backup of the original setup.
[15:07] <AaronTheGreat> How can I display things to a ubunut server screen, Like a GUI or something... I want to display my GUI
[15:07] <AaronTheGreat> GUI's in java
[15:07] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: GUI for what in particular?
[15:07] <AaronTheGreat> Anything, I'm planning for this to control my entire home.
[15:08] <AaronTheGreat> Wireless HDMI's upstairs
[15:08] <AaronTheGreat> etc...
[15:08] <asus202e> I was able to change the vol+/- keys in the past, it was rather simple. Just forgot how I did it...someone helped me on this forum then.
[15:08] <AaronTheGreat> One needs to be a media centre
[15:08] <AaronTheGreat> Which I can make if I had a platform to build on, Something to display to a screen
[15:08] <brmph> asus202e: Same desktop?
[15:08] <AaronTheGreat> If you get what I mean...
[15:08] <vfw> asus202e: notes, notes, notes.... ;)
[15:08] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: Install a desktop environment, which I dont recommend on a server.
[15:09] <AaronTheGreat> I know, Thats why I need another way... I dont want it to be like a heavy duty Desktop enviroment...
[15:09] <asus202e> :) I was hoping the Govt would be doing that for me and all I had to do was google it!
[15:09] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: There is no other way :)
[15:09] <AaronTheGreat> What about the frame-buffer? Mplayer uses that to display video
[15:11] <en1gma> how do i stop ubuntu 15.04 amd64 from turning off my hdd? (its 5400 rpm and slow) everytime i dont use it for a couple mins and i want to use an app it takes forever to get up to rpm so it can read) so the app opens really slow
[15:13] <brmph> en1gma: Seems like a guess, are you sure?
[15:13] <AaronTheGreat> yea, bekks theres a way to display things with the framebuffer
[15:13] <AaronTheGreat> "http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/33596/no-framebuffer-device-how-to-enable-it"
[15:14] <asus202e> compiz settings: guess its not what am looking for - has something called keybindings, but not for actuall keyboard remaping?
[15:14] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: I know. But you dont want to use a desktop environment using a framebuffer.
[15:14] <TvL2386> hi guys, I have a new laptop... Installed 15.04, using Gnome. Everything worked fine. Then I tried to play minecraft and the fps was horrible. I did some digging and noticed I was using nouveau. So I followed http://www.debugpoint.com/2015/04/5-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-15-04-essentials/ and installed xorg-edgers ppa and installed nvidia driver. Now gdm won't start anymore
[15:14] <TvL2386> I purged the ppa and all nvidia* packages and see nouveau gets loaded again, but gdm still won't start
[15:14] <TvL2386> I get the error: No screens found (EE)
[15:14] <brmph> asus202e: What you did before is onloy relevant if it was in unity.
[15:15] <brmph> only*
[15:15] <AaronTheGreat> bekks, Its not a sort of desktop enviroment. Its for playing films... etc? a menu or something for the different TV's... Why cant I use a desktop on a framebuffer?
[15:15] <vfw> asus202e: http://askubuntu.com/questions/331626/how-to-add-keyboard-shortcuts
[15:16] <AaronTheGreat> Better question, bekks... is the framebuffer reliable?
[15:16] <brmph> vfw: Not going to work in unity
[15:17] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: Of course it is, but it is not intended to be used as display device for a desktop environment.
[15:17] <AaronTheGreat> What is it intended to be used for?
[15:17] <vfw> asus202e: http://askubuntu.com/questions/181341/how-do-i-set-a-custom-keyboard-shortcut-to-control-volume
[15:17] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: Small things like being used as display device for a single video.
[15:17] <asus202e> vrf- this was what i did in the past to remap volume keys from fn+f11 to F11 etc....but you wud see it does not have options for brightness
[15:18] <asus202e> thanks, btw!>)
[15:18] <AaronTheGreat> hm, ok. I dont want a desktop style enviroment. just a black screen which I can write to will do... will X11 do that?
[15:18] <AaronTheGreat> * Will a certain X enviroment do that?
[15:19] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: You said you want to use multiple applications on it - so why not using a small desktop environment?
[15:19] <asus202e> how does one make a custom shortcut in the keyboardshortcut menu (re:vfw) for brightness controlls....It only currently lists volume controls
[15:19] <brmph> asus202e: i CCSM
[15:19] <brmph> IN*
[15:19] <AaronTheGreat> By applications, I mean... The server will have multiple HDMI outputs, Into wireless HDMI's to TV's allround my house
[15:20] <AaronTheGreat> I want my software, I dont mind which lanuage... Il figure it out :P to work on each one separately
[15:20] <eXistenZe> hey guys
[15:20] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: google blackbox, fluxbox, windowmaker, twm fvwm2 xfce4 etc. etc. etc
[15:20] <asus202e> brmph- thanks, I dowloaded the CCSM and have it open.
[15:20] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: So you want desktop environment for being able to control which output is being used. You cannot do so using a framebuffer.
[15:20] <eXistenZe> how can I find the name of the package to uninstall the icon in the systemtray fo instant messaging?
[15:21] <AaronTheGreat> Sort of, Theres not going to be a mouse/keyboard plugged in
[15:21] <AaronTheGreat> Arduinos for the win :P
[15:21] <brmph> asus202e: I never reassign keys, so this was just a point to where to go.
[15:21] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: lxde, and others...
[15:21] <asus202e> CCSM has what it calls keybindings but not keyboard remapping...am I missing smth?
[15:21] <sammyg> bekks: see if this helps you help me :)
[15:21] <sammyg> bekks: fedora paste: http://ur1.ca/n02gs
[15:22] <en1gma> what is ubuntu command for 'ipconfig' because when i use it, it is found in "net tools" and when i tell apt to install it, it alreadys say i have the newest installed.
[15:22] <asus202e> i see, thanks
[15:22] <en1gma> is it ifconfig
[15:22] <en1gma> crap it is
[15:22] <AaronTheGreat> uhm... I dont need a desktop... Start menu... etc... I just need something I can draw to on multiple displays, Just remember I have to sleep so I dont want the server to be chewing up electricity running all of the other stuff, like start menus etc...
[15:22] <asus202e> @brmph thanks
[15:22] <AaronTheGreat> and creating a earthquake downstairs xD
[15:23] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: You just want a window manager like fluxbox http://www.fluxbox.org/
[15:23] <bekks> sammyg: And whats the issue?
[15:23] <asus202e> btw, how do you telll the chat forum that I am replying to someone in particular? the @name doesnt seem to work
[15:24] <brmph> asus202e: You can tab complete nicks
[15:24] <OerHeks> asus202e, it does.
[15:24] <OerHeks> but you can drop the @
[15:24] <AaronTheGreat> Hm, By window manager... Does that... create a blank screen on each output, and has a manager on one? It doesnt expain it very well...
[15:24] <asus202e> brmph: I see, cool! thanks
[15:25] <brmph> asus202e: No problem, this is a great place for support. ;)
[15:25] <AaronTheGreat> and By... "light weight" I mean, A black screen...
[15:25] <AaronTheGreat> I dont need multiple windows...
[15:25] <AaronTheGreat> Just one thing rendering something to a output
[15:26] <asus202e> yeah, it is amazing. I am kinda new to the opensource way but I see it as the only way forward
[15:26] <sammyg> bekks: i created two "logical" partitions in Anaconda... why does it say "primary"? are they in fact primary then? or is the original F type extended partition of windows, linking to some second Extended partition table? linking the Extended boot records of those Fedora partitions to it?
[15:27] <bekks> sammyg: Forget about all that linking.
[15:27] <sammyg> bekks: if you look at Ubuntu partitions... they are in boundry of F type extended partition... why not Fedora partitions?
[15:28] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: Fluxbox is just blank screen, (color or image us up to the user). You right click for options, (apps etc).
[15:28] <sammyg> bekks: now you know i feel :) also... what's the difference between extended linux partition, and extended DOS partition or windows extended?
[15:28] <bekks> sammyg: You can have up to 4 primary partitions, and up to 16 logical partitions in an extended partition, which can be created instead of a "primary". Extended partitions have the primary flag, too.
[15:28] <AaronTheGreat> Ah, So... :) I get it
[15:28] <AaronTheGreat> Il give it a go, Il be back in a sec
[15:28] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: And yes, it can be black.
[15:28] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: There are others.
[15:28] <bekks> sammyg: and you are mixing up partition types and filesystem types :)
[15:29] <OerHeks> sammyg, there is no dos/windows/linux/fedora extended, just extended.
[15:29] <en1gma> i asked about a setting to disable powering down of the hard drives or a more detailed package that lets us disable that setting. please
[15:29] <AaronTheGreat> :3, So no gui for fluxbox or anything? when I open a application is there any Menus? Like close buttons? or something?
[15:29] <AaronTheGreat> I just want to draw to it
[15:29] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: "draw to it"?
[15:30] <AaronTheGreat> hm... Do you know how java works?
[15:30] <AaronTheGreat> You can draw images to the window
[15:30] <AaronTheGreat> or draw to the backbuffer and draw that image to the screen
[15:30] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: (Pretty soon, we will talk you into asking your *real* question.)
[15:30] <brmph> en1gma: This HD issue seems like a guess, I would look at the hardware in general and the DE?
[15:30] <sammyg> bekks: why would an extended partition have a "primary" flag? :/ not logical?...
[15:30] <en1gma> setting to turn down powering of the hard drives please
[15:30] <AaronTheGreat> vfw, what do you mean?
[15:31] <bekks> sammyg: The extended partition is a primary partition acting as a container for logical partitions.
[15:31] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: Was a failed attempt at humor.
[15:31] <en1gma> how do i disable power down hard drives please
[15:31] <bekks> sammyg: thats why it is a primary.
[15:31] <AaronTheGreat> vfw, :P
[15:31] <brmph> !patience | en1gma
[15:31] <AaronTheGreat> Il give fluxbox a go, brb
[15:31] <OerHeks> sammyg, only the partitions IN extended are logical, extended itself is a primairy partition that is expandable
[15:31] <vfw> AaronTheGreat: Okeydokey
[15:32] <en1gma> i just want to make sure everyone dont lead me into another direction so i am being very specific what i want to do
[15:32] <OerHeks> e.g. you can put 13 partitions in an extended afaik
[15:32] <bekks> OerHeks: 15 :)
[15:32] <vfw> OerHeks: Don't know if "expandable" is the right word...
[15:32] <ioria> !info  hdparm
[15:32] <sammyg> bekks: how am i mixing up partition type and filesystem type?
[15:32] <en1gma> thanks
[15:32] <en1gma> will try now
[15:32] <brmph> en1gma: If you want help here answer questions and give details, the method you are using is faulty.
[15:32] <sammyg> OerHeks: don't linux extended partitions have a different signature??
[15:32] <OerHeks> sammyg, no.
[15:33] <bekks> sammyg: by talking about "dos/windows/whatever extended" partition types, which do not exist. Those are filesystem types (not to be mixed up with actual filesystems).
[15:33] <OerHeks> there is no linux extended.
[15:33] <bekks> sammyg: There are nor linux extended. There are Primary and Extended.
[15:33] <sammyg> ok guys :)
[15:33] <en1gma> brmph any setting i set in hdparm will override ubuntu power saving features?
[15:34] <vfw> sammyg: An extended partition is same as primary partition.  An extended partition just has logical ones within, (where the primary does not).
[15:34] <vfw> sammyg: sort of....
[15:34] <sammyg> can you please tell me why or how the last two partitions are "primary" while ubuntu ones are "logical"? this is what i want to know
[15:34] <en1gma> i dont see a power saving feature that turns drive off or on in hdparm help settings yet
[15:34] <vfw> sammyg: The reason for extended partitions is just so that you can have more than 4
[15:34] <en1gma> wait i see them i just want to make sure ubuntu dont try and override
[15:35] <OerHeks> logicals are IN extended. if you type sudo fdisk -l # you would seee the overlap
[15:35] <vfw> sammyg: Hince the name "extended"
[15:35] <bekks> sammyg: because they are primary partitions. you have a primary, then an extended containing three logical partitions, followed by two primary after the extended.
[15:35] <bekks> sammyg: whats the issue? :)
[15:35] <OerHeks> now you have been answered 3 times :-D
[15:35] <vfw> sammyg: and if you look at partition sizes, you will see that the extended partition is totals the sizes of it's logical ones.
[15:36] <vfw> ... starting to sink in ...
[15:37] <vfw> sammyg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
[15:38] <vfw> (a website is worth a 1,000 words)
[15:38] <asus202e> what do they mean by "Hot keys should be assigned to:  /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/indicator-brightness/indicator-brightness-adjust --up  and  /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/indicator-brightness/indicator-brightness-adjust --down" in http://askubuntu.com/questions/240857/what-commands-will-change-my-screens-brightness, last answer?
[15:38] <sammyg> vfW: i know that extended is for more than 4 partitions, and i know that extended is not a partition itself, or acting as "container" in one 16 byte MBR entry and referencing to an EBR extended boot record... i know all that
[15:39] <vfw> sammyg: Then ask your *real* question.
[15:39] <bekks> sammyg: And your question have been answered. Read the partition offsets as being printed by fdisk and parted.
[15:40] <sammyg> ok, i will have a better look at it
[15:40] <sammyg> i have to go afk now
[15:40] <bekks> sammyg: I take that as "no further issues" :)
[15:40] <vfw> sammyg: Have a look at the webisite I sent
[15:40] <sammyg> my question was why those two last partitions are "primary" when they are logical... if they are assumed to be logical partitions (and asked to be so in Fedora installation)...
[15:41] <bekks> sammyg: I told you.
[15:41] <bekks> sammyg: they are not logical, but plain primary partitions, as can be clearly seen.
[15:41] <sammyg> thank you so far! :) appreciated! even if i am a bit confused now... :D
[15:42] <user32> hi, does anybody use an canon multi function printer with auto duplex mode?
[15:42] <sammyg> oh ok, then fedora did not create logical partitions for me... like i asked of it... hmm
[15:42] <user32> and use the printer with the gutenprint driver?
[15:42] <vfw> sammyg: fdisk -l  will tell you what you have
[15:45]  * TJ- wonders if sammyg confused logical partitions with Logical Volumes
[15:46] <vfw> TJ-: Good point.
[15:46] <OerHeks> TJ-, he expected Fedora to make an extended too, with logical ones, if i understand it sofar
[15:47] <asus202e> hi, how can I access /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/?
[15:48] <vfw> OerHeks: I really don't know what he was tring to find out, but I also think that the user should take a hand in the partitioning process, the user needs to decide how the disk(s) are partitioned.
[15:50] <vfw> asus202e: Define "access"
[15:50] <vfw> asus202e: (Re-state your question.)
[15:51] <asus202e> well, they say here http://askubuntu.com/questions/240857/what-commands-will-change-my-screens-brightness, last answer: hotkeys should be assigned to /opt/extras.ubuntu.com etc....I am unable to understand how I would go about it
[15:52] <vfw> asus202e: http://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/UnityHotkeys.html
[15:53] <vfw> !hotkeys | asus202e
[15:54] <vfw> !keyboard | asus202e
[15:55] <asus202e> vfw, new to forums here. pl explain !hotkey
[15:56] <asus202e> ubottu: thanksfor keytouch lead. will look in
[15:57] <asus202e> ubottu: really?
[15:57] <brmph> asus202e: Not the bot trigger above it's message
[15:57] <brmph> Note*
[15:57] <vfw> !ubottu | asus202e
[15:58] <asus202e> too sci-fi. wow!
[15:58] <hackteck> anyway culture of the Rams to they go flat a group of our inner, friends alive-eh-eh, fiends alive-eh, fiends alive-eh, fiends alive-eh, fiends alive-eh-eh, fredder.
[15:58] <hackteck> votes one in L.A. The only time!  Any fucker game.  It's no lie it's about football is a foot believe in reincarnation
[15:58] <hackteck> anyway culture teams thing characterization but aspect.  Fredder it, damn. Circle cat blight hand fingers ram against each other etter shoo woah!  It's who have a bad season and footbal game.  Lowers my eye queue only time! The one in they lose and disparaging people are distration
[15:58] <brmph> !ops
[16:00] <hackteck> Juni Jonn Joans don't just people are. Nothing but football the Rams, see thing. you keep in the New Orlean out immigrant population is a vegetable sprayers ram against each other, the butthole. your left hand, pour it, damn. You'd better the bubbles form more rapidly...would go brucest boyer football player. not believe in most doot doo doo doo doot doo.
[16:01] <en1gma> what is the best way to become perm sudo in a term? i know its not recommended but every command i do in the term im using sudo so i need it so i dont have to type it all the time
[16:01] <en1gma> mostly for airshark
[16:02] <io> en1gma: sudo -i
[16:02] <en1gma> thanks
[16:02] <io> but be careful with that
[16:02] <en1gma> i will. it just for these special apps that require it everytime and im in those alot
[16:03] <vfw> en1gma: Special apps that require it?  Not sure you are about to do the right thing here....
[16:03] <vfw> en1gma: But that is your business... (never mind).
[16:05] <TJ-> I'm finding v4.1 significantly faster, and more responsive, than the default kernels
[16:06] <brmph> TJ-: Same here.
[16:17] <rba1988> hello
[16:19] <rba1988> I just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 and see that systemd is running. However I can still use upstart services via sudo service someservice resetart. And I think there are other upstart services that are starting on boot. My question is, how do I remove these completely and purely use systemd? I'm thinking of just reinstalling 15.04...
[16:20] <OerHeks> rba1988, you still can use sudo service <name> with systemd, together with journalctl
[16:21] <OerHeks> systemctl restart name.service
[16:25] <AaronTheGreat> Hi, Im back... vfw? are there any potential security exploits in fluxbox? that I should be concerned about
[16:28] <rba1988> OerHeks, I have a feeling that some services are interfering with systemd stuff. For example, networking doesn't work at times. I have to reboot to get it to kick back in. Not sure what the cause it yet though. Same goes for lightdm. Mouse disappears on boot. I have to go to the terminal and do sudo service lightdm restart. I'm not familiar with systemd and currently learning it. But I think the transition
[16:28] <rba1988>  from 14.10 to 15.04 messed things up.
[16:33] <AaronTheGreat> vfw u there?
[16:39] <gagalicious> kvm virtual machine does not ping local area network i'm using virtio user "virt-manager --connect qemu:///session" it can access the internet but not the intranet. how do i solve this?
[16:40] <privateNodez> You need to bridge the interface
[16:45] <AaronTheGreat> Does anyone know if there are any exploits fluxbox, Im going to use it in a... secure enviroment... :P
[16:46] <bodhi_zazen> AaronTheGreat, no one can say there are not
[16:46] <bodhi_zazen> Use apparmor =)
[16:47] <Aurdino> hello, I was  downloading android-studio from terminal but the net disconnected so it could not complete. Then I again started the download but after the download it gave an error?
[16:49] <bodhi_zazen> So check the integrity of the download and if it is off, download it again
[16:58] <ig0r_> where is Firefox 39??
[16:59] <Johnny_Linux> canceled due to arson
[17:00] <brmph> ig0r_: Give it a day or so, should be in the repos.
[17:01] <TJ-> hmmm... I have Firefox 39 on 14.04
[17:02] <TJ-> Ahhh. "*** 39.0~b7+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> 0  >>>    500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-next/ubuntu/ "
[17:03] <Johnny_Linux> 404
[17:08] <braiden> Have you ever noticed that at trade shows Microsoft is always the one giving away stress balls?
[17:09] <xangua> !ot
[17:10] <xar> to automate that run and an app be displayed in the menu bar?
[17:12] <xar> how to automate that run and an app be displayed in the menu bar?
[17:12] <trimakos> Hello everyone! :)
[17:12] <privateN2dez> hello!
[17:13] <mmidgett> I'm having problems with virtio storage speeds using qcow2 and nfs. In ubuntu 14.04 hdparm buffered disk reads are 57MB's and debain 7 is 97MB's for the same test on the same storage back end.
[17:17] <buu> Hey, is there anyway to get the ubuntu cifs/smb client to read remote filenames with colons in them?
[17:17] <AaronTheGreat> vfw? r u still here?
[17:20] <AaronTheGreat> Is it recomendid to put something like fluxbox on ubuntu server, I'm talking security wise... and performance... etc
[17:20] <bekks> buu: Dont use colons in sharenames. Most clients will not be able to access them.
[17:20] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: It is recommended to not put anything graphical on a server, securitywise.
[17:21] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: If you still do, just use a graphical desktop environment and disable all access methods that are unnecessary.
[17:21] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: as for performance, there should be no issue. As for security: How do you mean ?
[17:21] <AaronTheGreat> How would that effect security?
[17:21] <AaronTheGreat> as in, Is there any exploits in X11? or fluxbox, that would allow hackers... etc
[17:22] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: Every running program is a possible attack vector.
[17:22] <buu> bekks: Sure, but in this case it's a ubuntu client talking to a debian system
[17:22] <buu> It should be possible to read them
[17:22] <ioria> AaronTheGreat, the DE, is a server... X server, it means that is ready to accept :-)
[17:22] <bekks> buu: Chances are low, actually.
[17:23] <buu> I'll note the debian cifs client is fine with them
[17:23] <AaronTheGreat> Oh... :P, What do you mean by ready to accept?
[17:23] <buu> Maybe I can just use the debian one instead?
[17:23] <OerHeks> Biggest security risc is the user.
[17:23] <AaronTheGreat> risk
[17:23] <AaronTheGreat> and I'm not a security threat :P
[17:23] <privateN2dez> pebcak
[17:23] <ioria> AaronTheGreat, what does a server do usually ?
[17:23] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: The ones who tell others they arent, are the biggest ones ;)
[17:24] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: Can you give us more information, that would help us better answer you questions. Like what is the server going to be used for ?
[17:24] <AaronTheGreat> Allright
[17:25] <buu> is there a configuration option for the smb client someplace?
[17:25] <buu>  /etc/samba is only for the server right?
[17:25] <AaronTheGreat> The servers downstairs with alot of HDMI outputs, Theese outputs are going to be connected to TV's around the house, also I'm planning to get some Raspberry pi
[17:25] <AaronTheGreat> raspberry pi's to control lights
[17:25] <AaronTheGreat> Which are controlled by that
[17:25] <AaronTheGreat> Wait
[17:25] <AaronTheGreat> Let me correct that, "I am going to use some arduino leonardo's to control lights"
[17:25] <privateN2dez> why do you need to run X11 on the servers?
[17:26] <privateN2dez> will they be running graphical applications?
[17:26] <AaronTheGreat> The HDMI outputs are going to be linked to TV's and lapotp panels around my house
[17:26] <AaronTheGreat> Kinda, I'm not sure how I will do it yet, But anything that can render something to a output will do :P
[17:27] <mmidgett> AaronTheGreat, HDMI signals only good for about 30
[17:27] <AaronTheGreat> The server will run other things like samba shares, etc
[17:27] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: and are theses systems going to be connected to a wireless AP or to the internet ?
[17:27] <mmidgett> 30'
[17:27] <AaronTheGreat> Internet
[17:27] <AaronTheGreat> mmidgett I could use a cable... :P
[17:27] <privateN2dez> I did something similar with my raspberry pi's a while back
[17:27] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: A cable with a total length of no more than 30'
[17:28] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: what kind of router or firewall between them and the internet ? And are these systems going to be accessible from the internet?
[17:28] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: Otherwise you will need an active signal repeater.
[17:28] <mmidgett> thanks bekks that's what I was trying to tell him
[17:28] <bekks> mmidgett: :)
[17:28] <privateN2dez> I ran omxplayer (a headless video player for the pi) and used youtube-dl (a program that can stream video from most websites using flash player) to pipe flv stream data from youtube to omxplayer
[17:28] <drmagoo> damn my english sucks today :/
[17:28] <AaronTheGreat> The system will be connected to the internet... But I dont think its going to be port-forwarded
[17:29] <mmidgett> I've sent VGA over 100' using some vga externders
[17:29] <ioria> by the way, firefox 39 looks great. pity....
[17:29] <mmidgett> I think S video can do it nativly with out any help from amplifiers or extenders
[17:30] <AaronTheGreat> Doesn't matter how  I will get the HDMI to the target, I just need to run some home-made software to a specified outpit
[17:30] <AaronTheGreat> output
[17:30] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: So use a desktop environment.
[17:30] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: The answer stays the same :)
[17:30] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: if they are not "exposed" directly or indirectly (portforward) to the internet, there is no great security threats. But what are your concerns ?
[17:31] <privateN2dez> why not transfer video data over the network and use a headless pi near the output (tv, monitor, etc) to actually transcode and play the dat
[17:31] <AaronTheGreat> drmagoo, Say if it was... portforwarded to port 80... with a webcam on one of the rooms... would there be a threat... I didnt think ubuntu server could be hacked into if it didnt allow ssh
[17:31] <privateN2dez> rather then using a longass vga cable
[17:31] <AaronTheGreat> ^
[17:32] <AaronTheGreat> I want something light-weight to do this...
[17:32] <AaronTheGreat> Not a entire desktop chugging away in the background
[17:33] <privateN2dez> ethernet crossover cable?
[17:33] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: any service that you expose to the Internet is a vector for an attack. Think of your house, if you lock the door but leave window open, it is possible for someone to get in even if it is on the second floor ;)
[17:33] <AaronTheGreat> what sort of damage could hackers do to my server if I only had port 80 open with a HTML file saying "HI"
[17:34] <privateN2dez> depends on make & version of httpd as well as what userspace it's running in
[17:34] <drmagoo> AaronTheGreat: worst case is full (aka root) access to your system.
[17:34] <privateN2dez> as well as the configuration and some other things
[17:35] <buu> AaronTheGreat: If you're using popular well tested servers with the latest patches applied the odds are about 1 in a billion
[17:35] <buu> Assuming you aren't using php
[17:36] <AaronTheGreat> How bad would PHP be if it was something like <?php echo "Hi"; ?>
[17:36] <privateN2dez> it's perfectly safe =P
[17:37] <AaronTheGreat> oh... well... :p, I wont be port-forwarding any time soon... Another thing... I was going to go with Windows Server, Then I realised that Windows=NSA... And I'm super tight on privacy and security xD, so Im going with ubuntu server... I need somekind of low-end system... Not like a full-blown Ubuntu desktop
[17:37] <AaronTheGreat> Il be back later
[17:38] <buu> AUGH. SAMBA WHY ARE YOU THE DEVIL.
[17:38] <privateN2dez> https://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/os/redhat/NSA_RHEL_5_GUIDE_v4.2.pdf
[17:39] <buu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/676304
[17:40] <privateN2dez> refer to page 184 of the nsa guide to see how they secure their samba setup ^^^
[17:40] <SchrodingersScat> buu: some others have problems with : too, afaik other OSs are to blame
[17:40] <abhimanyu> hi
[17:45] <yardlinux> I'm trying to open port 22 on my router and I see a public port range and a private port range. Is the public range the port that is internet facing?
[17:45] <ioria> buu in the win folder it shows ... but with a different filename
[17:45] <cryptodan_laptop> i have a quick question how fast are security vulnerabilities / cve's fixed in ubuntu once they are found?
[17:45] <OerHeks> buu, confirm that bugreport, if you want to get it fixed.
[17:45] <buu> SchrodingersScat: What do you mean other OSs? I'm using ubuntu and debian, and debian works
[17:46] <drmagoo> yardlinux: yes, most likely
[17:46] <ioria> buu but not in linux
[17:46] <buu> ioria: Last I checked debian and ubuntu are actually linux
[17:46] <ioria> buu yep, but you can ls fromterm
[17:49] <ioria> buu sorry it shows, with a different name too
[17:49] <ioria> buu CBYG&~9
[17:49] <yardlinux> drmagoo, so u suggest I change the public facing port # from 22 to some other high # and point it to port 22 internally?
[17:50] <ioria> buu when the original was ciccio:ciccio
[17:51] <drmagoo> yardlinux: yes, change it to something above 1024.
[17:51] <rypervenche> yardlinux: You could do that, if you don't want brute forcers to try to log into your system. Otherwise port 22 is also fine.
[17:52] <buu> Ok why does ubuntu have cifs-utils 6.0
[17:52] <rypervenche> yardlinux: If you only used keyed connections, then it doesn't matter so much. Buf if you use passwords, changing it to something above 1023 is smart. :)
[17:52] <buu> And debian has 6.4
[17:52] <ioria> buu win doesn't want : in its filename
[17:52] <buu> ioria: windows isn't involved
[17:52] <sloantothebone> Hi
[17:52] <xar> Is this how to display the value of a variable in a shell script? `myvar="abc"; echo $abc`
[17:52] <xar> Is this how to display the value of a variable in a shell script? `myvar="abc"; echo $myvar`
[17:53] <drmagoo> yardlinux: make sure that root-login is disabled in sshd_config
[17:53] <sloantothebone> A friend of mine is trying to open a .desktup but is getting a "select application" menu/error
[17:53] <buu> xar: What happens when you try it?
[17:53] <privateN2dez> try echo "$myvar"
[17:53] <xar> buu, nothing was displayed
[17:53] <privateN2dez> put quotes around the variable
[17:53] <xar> privateN2dez, I got an empty string as output
[17:54] <buu> xar: that's probably because the variable doesn't last past the ;
[17:54] <xar> I was running this script in fact: `myvar="abc"+$1; echo "$myvar"`
[17:54] <yardlinux> rypervenche, thanks
[17:54] <jpds> buu: Looks like noone's got round to updating it.
[17:54] <xar> privateN2dez,  I was running this script in fact: `myvar="abc"+$1; echo "$myvar"`
[17:54] <buu> ioria: saddays
[17:54] <yardlinux> drmagoo, i will do that
[17:54] <jpds> buu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cifs-utils/+bug/1219752
[17:55] <xMinty> yoyo
[17:55] <privateN2dez> xar, that works for me
[17:56] <xMinty> Can someone here help me install icecat? i followed the instructions on the ubuntu website but cant find the shell script file in the ice cat folder
[17:56] <sloantothebone> Help,  A friend of mine is trying to open a .desktup but is getting a "select application" menu/error
[17:56] <sloantothebone> .desktop*
[17:57] <sloantothebone> Why would this happen??
[17:57] <anderson1> only speak english here?
[17:57] <sloantothebone> Me?
[17:58] <sloantothebone> I am speaking english
[17:58] <privateN2dez> What is he opening the .desktop with?
[17:58] <xMinty> Non, je parle un peu frech :)
[17:58] <sloantothebone> I told her to click on it
[17:58] <yardlinux> drmagoo, PermitRootLogin without-password on one line and on the following line : StrictModes yes
[17:59] <buu> oK WHAT THE HELL
[17:59] <anderson1> I'm testing weechat :/, but only speak english on the irc's, i speak Spanish :'(
[17:59] <xMinty> uhhh, so no one knows hot to install icecat?
[17:59] <xMinty> how*
[17:59] <privateN2dez> open it in text editor and make sure everything is correct
[17:59] <bekks> yardlinux: thats a very insecure setting.
[17:59] <privateN2dez> also make sure the executable flag is set at least for the user
[17:59] <buu> jpds: What other programs are involved in mounting cifs shares?
[17:59] <jpds> buu: No idea, never used them.
[18:00] <privateN2dez> bekks: why is it insecure?
[18:00] <Eights> maybe someone has had the same issue. i started with a fresh ubuntu 15.04 install then installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies, and so i log out and lightdm starts and has the default xfce4 background displaying. so i try to change this manually with dconf-editor and change the background image  save it exit and log back out.   still shows that same wallpaper.  how can revert back to  lightdm default  background or change it? i've tried dpkg-reconfigure lig
[18:00] <Eights> htdm still nothing. even went as far as to completely remove xfce any suggestions?
[18:00] <drmagoo> yardlinux: change that to no
[18:00] <drmagoo> yardlinux: change that to "no"
[18:00] <yardlinux> drmagoo, ok
[18:00] <bekks> privateN2dez: Permitting root access without password auth is like a big sign at your door: "thiefs, enter here please, door is open".
[18:00] <anderson1> anyone knows an irc in spanish?
[18:01] <drmagoo> anderson1 | !es
[18:01] <drmagoo> anderson1: try #ubuntu-es
[18:01] <anderson1> drmagoo Thanks bro!
[18:02] <drmagoo> np
[18:02] <anderson1> join #ubuntu-es
[18:02] <anderson1> :v
[18:02] <anderson1> quit
[18:02] <xMinty> ^^^ lmao
[18:03] <rypervenche> bekks: Using without-password on root is actually the secure way to do things. It requires having an SSH key to be able to log in as root.
[18:03] <privateN2dez> bekks: I encourage you to read the man page for sshd_config
[18:05] <drmagoo> not allowing root login in sshd_config is the most secure way. =)
[18:05] <bekks> rypervenche: Does it enforce a SSH key, or does it just disable password auth as the man page states?
[18:05] <bekks> drmagoo: full ack.
[18:05] <privateN2dez> It disables password auth. So it enforces key's partially
[18:06] <privateN2dez> There is another option for key enforcing
[18:06] <BBLLCC> htop lists all processes irl, what do I use to see a line of the actual use of my cpu along time?
[18:07] <privateN2dez> BBLLCC: the "load averages" (typically on the top right of htop screen)
[18:08] <rypervenche> bekks: It only allows keyed connections for the root user. I personally don't allow password connections on any of my users. Only keys.
[18:09] <Snaggle> Is there a way to check at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for a partial path to find all packages that put files into qt5/plugins/platforms ?
[18:09] <bekks> rypervenche: Yeah, personally, I disallow root login at all, and using keys for all other users.
[18:09] <bekks> Snaggle: Sure, just put in that path?
[18:10] <drmagoo> I'm on bekks side on this ;)
[18:11] <Snaggle> bekks: I tried all three different options in the 'search the contents of packages' search section, and none of them give any results.  I know files exist there because I can manually pull up packges' filelists (such as libqt5gui5)
[18:12] <bekks> Snaggle: Whats the full path, before qt5/plugins/platforms ?
[18:13] <Snaggle> The full path for the amd64 flavor is e.g., /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqminimal.so  For the i386 version it has i386-linux-gnu instead
[18:13] <bekks> Snaggle: So the path in question is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms ?
[18:13] <AaronTheGreat> Uhm privateN2dez, Just been reading the chat... and... Do the NSA actually record windows's screens?
[18:13] <Snaggle> bekks: yes
[18:15] <bekks> Snaggle: And you want to know the packages names of installed packages which put files in that directory?
[18:15] <Snaggle> bekks: yep
[18:16] <bekks> Snaggle: dpkg -S /usr/lib/*/qt5/plugins/platforms
[18:17] <Snaggle> bekks: That requires me being on Ubuntu.  Also, doesn't that require a package to be installed in order for dpkg to know about its contents?
[18:18] <AaronTheGreat> Bekks? your the kind of techy awsome guy... and I got something to ask you, does the NSA actually have something to do with Windows? or even ubuntu?
[18:19] <squinty> !topic
[18:19] <AaronTheGreat> !topic
[18:19] <AaronTheGreat> awhhhh, I though ubottu was a bot :P
[18:19] <AaronTheGreat> Oh wait
[18:19] <AaronTheGreat> xD
[18:20] <Snaggle> That's why I wish to use packages.ubuntu.com. It has access to the file lists of all of Ubuntu's packages, so it therefore should be capable of searching for partial paths, but apparently that functionality is not currently available.
[18:21] <bekks> Snaggle: Thats why I asked you wether you want to know the contents of installed packages.
[18:21] <EriC^^> !find something | Snaggle
[18:21] <bekks> Snaggle: You answer was "yes".
[18:21] <EriC^^> Snaggle: you can msg ubottu /msg ubottu !find <file>
[18:21] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: I am not going to answer questions which where asked wearing a tinfoil hat.
[18:22] <EriC^^> and i think the website can be used too check the link
[18:22] <bekks> *were
[18:23] <docmur> Is it possible to pass an arguement to apt-get that will only install exactly what I'm asking for and nothing else, I need to install zfs-initram, but I don't want anything e lse pulled it, I only need that packe for boot
[18:23] <Snaggle> bekks: sorry.  I missed the 'installed' in your question.  I just read it as 'packages which put files in that directory'.
[18:24] <bekks> docmur: It will install all unsatisfied dependencies.
[18:24] <docmur> I've install the dependacies myself by compiling ZFS from scratch, it doens't knwo that
[18:24] <bekks> docmur: Then you didnt install them by creating custom packages?
[18:24] <Snaggle> EriC^^: thank you for that pointer to ubottu finder.  It pulled what I wanted
[18:25] <bekks> docmur: That will put you into big trouble :)
[18:25] <beltorak> hi all; my lxcbr0 interface is missing and I cannot start any LXC containers. Kubuntu 14.04.x. Is there some sort of dpkg-reconfigure or /etc file I can edit to get it back?
[18:25] <AaronTheGreat> bekks is fluxbox a professional style program, used in businesses... etc? I mean... Is it secure enough for businesses to use it, Like as you said "X servers are ready to serve..." Is this a xserver?
[18:26] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: a) no, b) I dont know, since no one uses it in enterprise IT.
[18:26] <AaronTheGreat> What program do people use in enterprise IT? for what I am doing?
[18:27] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: People use desktop environments. :)
[18:28] <AaronTheGreat> Can a desktop environment be used in a server style enviroment?
[18:28] <bekks> Sure, why not.
[18:29] <AaronTheGreat> Allright, Il use that as my second option, so... Whats so bad about using a framebuffer for multiple monitors?
[18:30] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: The fact that it will not work maybe :)
[18:30] <AaronTheGreat> The chipset I am using and the APU I am using all work with framebuffer's
[18:31] <bekks> So if you refuse to accept all answers you get in reply of your questions and you seem to know it all better - why do you ask?
[18:32] <xar_> how to extract tgz files ?
[18:33] <Mr777> tar -xvf filename.tgz
[18:33] <bekks> Mr777: Will tar apply -z / -Z automagically?
[18:33] <xar_> Mr777, i've ran that and i'm waiting now from a while :/
[18:33] <sillyslux> wasn't that xzf?
[18:33] <xar_> xvz
[18:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:34] <Mr777> xzf xvf are just flags v verbose x extract(i think) f force
[18:34] <bekks> if tgz is a gzip'ed tarball, then xvzf, if it is a compressed tarball, then xvZf ...
[18:34] <EriC^^> xar_: -v should tell you what it's doing
[18:34] <Mr777> bekks: xvzf vs xvZf??
[18:35] <bekks> Mr777: Yeah, as I explained it.
[18:35] <tzun-hai> hi everyone
[18:35] <Mr777> Whats small z and capital Z difference?
[18:35] <bekks> Mr777: 0704 203406 < bekks> if tgz is a gzip'ed tarball, then xvzf, if it is a compressed tarball, then xvZf ...
[18:36] <utfans05_>      -z, --gzip, --gunzip --ungzip
[18:36] <utfans05_>      -Z, --compress, --uncompress
[18:36] <Mr777> Ythanks utganso5
[18:36] <utfans05_> yup
[18:36] <tzun-hai> does anyone here use Adobe Air? Seems i have install it, but when i try to install an .air app, it shows me error, about version and updating.
[18:36] <Mr777> And thanks bekks too
[18:37] <syntroPi> which formats are automagically extracted by tar? always used -xf and with gz xz bz2 it always seemed to work
[18:37] <AaronTheGreat> hm, can xmbc be installed on ubuntu serve?
[18:37] <tzun-hai> automagically, nice word :)
[18:37] <beltorak> AaronTheGreat: i just did that last night
[18:37] <tpe> tzun-hai: If I remember right, Adobe dropped Air for Linux years ago. Not worth using at all these days.
[18:38] <tzun-hai> tpe, yes, this is the point
[18:38] <tzun-hai> im not sure if i can do anything more to run this app
[18:38] <beltorak> tzun-hai: i used to run adobe air via wine; i haven't in quite a while though
[18:38] <tzun-hai> force version, or whatever
[18:38] <utfans05_> AaronTheGreat, I believe so.
[18:38] <bekks> AaronTheGreat: Sure, why not?
[18:38] <tzun-hai> oh, so i will try it on Wine
[18:39] <tzun-hai> thx
[18:39] <tpe> tzun-hai: In that case, I'm not sure. I stopped using it when they dropped it, and it was only for the TweetDeck desktop client back in the day.
[18:39] <beltorak> tzun-hai: i had to go through a lot of trouble to get it to update to the lastest version though, so it might not be worth the trouble
[18:39] <tzun-hai> i dont like to use, but this software is an .air app and i cant choose
[18:39] <tzun-hai> its a bit headache
[18:40] <tzun-hai> beltorak: i got problem even for normal install because the old libs
[18:41] <tzun-hai> i will try the Wine as tpe suggest
[18:41] <buu> ubuntu why are you the devil
[18:41] <BBLLCC> i just got rid of konqueror and a file manager i never use. Programs are gone, but icons are still in the menu. How do I get rid of those? how do I instruct xubuntu 15.04 to get rid of all icons with broken or non existent paths?
[18:41] <utfans05_> right click on them and you should be able to remove them from the menut.
[18:41] <utfans05_> menu*
[18:41] <beltorak> tzun-hai: yeah, i also did it via wine; just saying that to get my program to run I had to have a later version that the wine tools supported, and it was a real hassle to get it top update
[18:42] <tzun-hai> so, i don't need the native adobe air on my sistem. Bybye air :D
[18:42] <BBLLCC> utfans05, thats 1 on 1 and not automatic
[18:42] <buu> Does anyone know how I can convince ubuntu's kernel to read samba shares with colons in them?
[18:42] <Attox> I get a "tocblock error" message while booting for a second or so, after that the system boots normally, any idea what this is about?
[18:42] <rypervenche> Mr777: -Z uses the Lempel–Ziv–Welch compression algorithm. :)
[18:43] <ikonia> buu: that is nothing to do with the kernel
[18:43] <tzun-hai> is there any operator here?
[18:43] <utfans05_> BBLLCC, are they are the task bar or in the actual menu?
[18:43] <tzun-hai> i mean, room operatr
[18:43] <BBLLCC> actual menu
[18:43] <utfans05_> BBLLCC, how did you remove them?
[18:43] <BBLLCC> synaptic
[18:44] <utfans05_> ok, open a terminal and do this,   sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:44] <utfans05_> that may clearn them.
[18:44] <nuke1989> any way to set different wallpaper on each workspace? Also different icons on each workspace would be nice. Thanks
[18:44] <buu> ikonia: Then what is it to dow ith?
[18:45] <ikonia> the samba client/server
[18:45] <buu> ikonia: Ok, how do I convince the ubuntu samba client to read paths with colons?
[18:46] <buu> What package even implements the same client?
[18:46] <bekks> buu: Dont use colons :)
[18:46] <buu> *samba
[18:46] <ikonia> try escaping the colon
[18:46] <ikonia> may / may not work
[18:46] <buu> yes already tried
[18:46] <beltorak> buu: just curios, why do you have shares with colons in the name?
[18:46] <ikonia> not a valid UNC so why do it
[18:46] <buu> beltorak: Because that's what the filename is
[18:47] <ikonia> the file name is not the share name
[18:47] <beltorak> buu: ahh; i thought it was the actual share name. windows server, or samba server?
[18:47] <buu> Right, the share name doesn't have colons
[18:47] <buu> beltorak: debian server ubuntu client
[18:47] <ikonia> buu: you seem to be changing the question, what is the actual problem
[18:47] <tzun-hai> Humm.. a question. If OSx and Linux haves *nix kernels, why the software is not compatible?
[18:48] <tzun-hai> i see MAC is supported :(
[18:48] <buu> I have a debian server, with a folder, containing files with colons in their names, that I'm mounting via a ubuntu client
[18:48] <buu> The ubuntu client throws errors when it attempts to read the files/directories with colons in their name
[18:48] <ikonia> tzun-hai: because it is nothing to with the kernel, and the kernels are very different
[18:48] <utfans05_> tzun-hai, because OSx is a bastardised version.
[18:48] <BBLLCC> l the linux-headers-3.19.0-15-generic package,
[18:48] <ikonia> utfans05_: no it is not, that is not a problem
[18:48] <buu> This makes me real sad.
[18:49] <BBLLCC> whats the current kernel?
[18:49] <tzun-hai> Why the world that don't know Linux hate it?
[18:49] <ikonia> buu: how are you mounting it ?
[18:49] <BBLLCC> the one ipasted??
[18:49] <ikonia> tzun-hai: that is nothing for this channel
[18:49] <tzun-hai> of course
[18:49] <ikonia> tzun-hai: this channel does ubuntu support only
[18:49] <tzun-hai> yes
[18:49] <tzun-hai> how can i remove root password from Ubuntu?
[18:49] <AaronTheGreat> uhm  bekkz how did u find the list of screen things, Like fluxbox? I think of what to type on google
[18:49] <buu> ikonia: mount.cifs //server/share localpath
[18:50] <bekks> tzun-hai: By default, root has no password on Ubuntu.
[18:50] <ikonia> buu: could you please show me the EXACT command you use
[18:50] <tzun-hai> this is not actualy and answer to my question
[18:50] <ikonia> tzun-hai: it is
[18:50] <ikonia> tzun-hai: there is no root password, so you can't remove it
[18:50] <tzun-hai> i set root password by mistake, and now i cannot set back
[18:50] <ikonia> tzun-hai: ok so passwd -l
[18:50] <tzun-hai> y ask about remove, not if there is one by default
[18:51] <ikonia> against the root account
[18:51] <tzun-hai> nice
[18:51] <tzun-hai> thx
[18:51] <ikonia> you don't want to remove it, you want to disable the password
[18:51] <buu> ikonia: sudo mount.cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/tank test/ -o user=buu
[18:51] <tzun-hai> i know the importance about non passwd and sudo
[18:51] <tzun-hai> dont blame me :)
[18:51] <ikonia> ?
[18:51] <tzun-hai> you want to disable the password
[18:51] <ikonia> buu: is "test" in your current working directory ?
[18:51] <tzun-hai> tyis is what you think i want
[18:51] <tzun-hai> you dont know what i want
[18:51] <tzun-hai> thats all
[18:52] <tzun-hai> thank you
[18:52] <ikonia> tzun-hai: I know exactly what you want - you want to disable the password to reset it back to how it was before you set a password
[18:52] <buu> ikonia: No, it's a subdir
[18:52] <ikonia> hence you want to disable the password by locking the account
[18:52] <tzun-hai> so far away i got banned from here, asking the same thing
[18:52] <xar_> does this script installs Android Studio bundle on ubuntu, please ? https://github.com/haythemkh/installation-scripts-for-IDEs/blob/master/android-studio-installer.sh
[18:52] <tzun-hai> what happend?
[18:53] <ikonia> buu: ok, lets go back to basics, do "cd /" then re-do the command with sudo and use the full paths the mount points
[18:53] <ikonia> tzun-hai: don't understand what your asking
[18:53] <ikonia> xar_: ask the guy who wrote i
[18:53] <ikonia> it
[18:53] <buu> ikonia: Ok and?
[18:53] <tzun-hai> i ask that question, long time ago, and i got banned for ask about root passwd
[18:53] <ikonia> tzun-hai: dount ful
[18:53] <ikonia> doubtful
[18:53] <tzun-hai> because "WE DO NOT SUPPORT ROOT PASSWD"
[18:54] <ikonia> tzun-hai: we do not support setting a root passowrd
[18:54] <ikonia> buu: did it work ?
[18:54] <tzun-hai> you currenty did that
[18:54] <xar_> ikonia, it doesn't work for me, couldn't find the issue in it
[18:54] <ikonia> tzun-hai: no, I just disabled the password
[18:54] <tzun-hai> im not sure if worked, i havce not that machine here
[18:54] <eoin> anyone want to test my screen recording program?
[18:54] <tzun-hai> it's a little toy i buy and play it
[18:54] <tzun-hai> no here
[18:54] <buu> ikonia: The share mounted. I get the same error accessing the files.
[18:54] <buu> ikonia: In otherwords, no change.
[18:55] <ikonia> buu: please pastebin the output of the command "mount"
[18:55] <eoin> great for recording video games
[18:55] <buu> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11822451/
[18:55] <syntroPi> are there any tablets (like MS Surface or G N9) on which Ubuntu Gnome is known to run?
[18:56] <tzun-hai> ikonia: a question about this channel. Im using Zorin OS9, based on Ubuntu. Can i ask things here?
[18:56] <ikonia> buu: please pastebin the output of the command "mount"
[18:56] <ikonia> tzun-hai: no
[18:56] <tzun-hai> :O
[18:56] <buu> ikonia: That is the command mount
[18:56] <ikonia> buu: it does nt display that one line
[18:56] <ikonia> not
[18:56] <ikonia> it displays more than 1 line
[18:56] <buu> ikonia: Yes but the other lines have sensitive data in them
[18:57] <ikonia> that seems doubtful, it's just file system names
[18:57] <buu> And passwords in this case
[18:57] <ikonia> passwords are not in clear text
[18:58] <buu> I beg to differ
[18:58] <buu> In anycase, what are you looking for?
[18:58] <ikonia> nothing now
[19:00] <Minty> ayye
[19:02] <vfw> buu: What was that?
[19:03] <vfw> buu: mount | pastebinit
[19:05] <KlausedSource> hey, do you know a good gui music player? preferably extendable by plugins and custom skins
[19:05] <DJones> KlausedSource: Don't know about plugins etc, but I like Clementine
[19:06] <Mr777> KlausedSource: What about VLC?
[19:06] <TJ-> buu: I suspect you need to use the 'charmap' option to translate the ":" since it is an invalid character in SMB/CIFS
[19:06] <buu> vfw: If it makes you happy http://paste.ubuntu.com/11822507/
[19:06] <ikonia> dos charset = ISO8859-1
[19:06] <buu> TJ-: I tried that as a mount option but it didn't seem to change anything =[
[19:06] <ikonia> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/177506
[19:06] <ikonia> samba will confirm to that
[19:07] <nimble> has anyone gotten gitolite to work with ECDSA ssh keys?
[19:07] <buu> ikonia: Except it doesn't because they added unix extensions
[19:07] <buu> Which allow for previously invalid characters
[19:08] <ikonia> not it you don't tell it to
[19:08] <ikonia> have a look at http://serverfault.com/questions/124611/special-characters-in-samba-filenames
[19:10] <buu> They *should* be on by default, in any case, there's not a 'unix' flag, there's only a 'nounix'
[19:10] <ikonia> I don't think they should be on by default
[19:10] <ikonia> more so when you consider samba is a reverse engineer of a product
[19:11] <buu> ikonia: There's a 'nounix' option but not a 'unix' mount option
[19:11] <bigbossie> Hey :D
[19:11] <Minty> LinuxMInt is basically ubuntu right?
[19:11] <ikonia> the unix option is a samba config
[19:11] <ikonia> Minty: no
[19:11] <buu> It's enabled on the server
[19:11] <DJones> !mint | Minty
[19:12] <Minty> Okay thanks ubottu
[19:12] <ikonia> buu: if you look at your mount command it's using "unix"
[19:12] <ikonia> so it is a valid option
[19:12] <ikonia> (in the pastebin you sent)
[19:13] <buu> ikonia: That's a negotiated setting, if you try passing it on the command line it will error
[19:13] <buu> unix extensions = yes
[19:13] <ikonia> buu: sorry what ? what is the option you are trying to pass exactly
[19:13] <AaronTheGreat> I got a question, how can I draw a image to the screen in either c# (mono) or java on ubuntu server?
[19:14] <ikonia> AaronTheGreat: you'd need to ask the programming channels for those langauge how to do that
[19:14] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[19:14] <Minty> AaronTheGreat: you need to get a sharpie
[19:14] <ikonia> Minty: be helpful - or don't respond please
[19:15] <ikonia> buu: look at the "mapchars" option
[19:15] <AaronTheGreat> well... I mean Is there anyway... Some people have suggested X11
[19:15] <buu> I have
[19:15] <ikonia> by default nomapchars is used, which I think mapchars will fix your problem
[19:15] <Minty> Is there like a site where you can find freenode channels for certain topics?
[19:15] <ikonia> AaronTheGreat: there is a way,
[19:15] <ikonia> Minty: freenode.net
[19:15] <buu> ikonia: I tried that as a *mount* option
[19:15] <buu> If that's what you're suggesting
[19:16] <ikonia> buu: certainly sugesting it - the docs say that will fix the special chars of colon
[19:16] <Minty> ikonia: right but i mean like a tool where I can input what kindof channel im looking for and itll come up with suggestions for channels
[19:17] <ikonia> Minty: as in #freenode
[19:17] <ikonia> and look at the alis bot
[19:17] <vubuntu> Hi People,If ubuntu fails to boot, what options do I have for recovery
[19:17] <buu> ikonia: Same thing as without it ls: reading directory .: Not a directory
[19:17] <ikonia> vubuntu: depends why it failed to boot
[19:18] <nimble> Minty: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist
[19:18] <ikonia> buu: open it in the gui where it will do getfilename()
[19:18] <ikonia> buu: see if it behave different
[19:19] <vubuntu> ikonia: this is the third fresh install ive done. The moment I do an update and it asks for a reboot it does not boot up. If I select the recovery option it just hangs, nothing happens. What should I be looking for?
[19:20] <ikonia> vubuntu: what happens if you don't ask for recovery mode
[19:21] <vubuntu> ikonia: thats the issue. I see three of four lines of text, and it just cycles at that stage. Is there something that can be done like for instance get into recovery mode any other way
[19:21] <ikonia> vubuntu: what do you mean it cycles ?
[19:21] <nimble> vubuntu, is this after successfully installing, rebooting, updating, and then rebooting again?
[19:22] <nimble> or is this first boot after installing
[19:22] <ikonia> vubuntu: forget recovery mode for the moment, explain what happens clearly when you try to boot normally
[19:22] <TJ-> buu: What kernel versions are in use on the server and client?
[19:22] <Minty> ikonia: thanks for being helpful
[19:24] <vubuntu> ikonia: I wish i could tell you as I havent payed attention to the error messages. But I noticed when it does update the kernal it fails at restart. I cant remember the error message.
[19:24] <ikonia> vubuntu: get the error message
[19:25] <vubuntu> ikonia: thanks for your prompt response. I will and thanks a pun once again
[19:27] <vubuntu> ikonia: How long are you a linux/ubuntu user for?
[19:28] <ikonia> what does that matter ?
[19:28] <vubuntu> ikonia: im curious, i see you have a plethora of knowledge
[19:29] <ikonia> can't remember
[19:38] <ubuntu589> hello friends
[19:38] <ubuntu589> i need some help with my umbutu
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> !ask | ubuntu589
[19:39] <ubuntu589> ubottu thanks
[19:39] <ubuntu589> could someoe tell me the comand to see files on the c drive
[19:39] <ikonia> there is no c drive on ubuntu
[19:39] <ubuntu589> my N key is broken
[19:40] <ikonia> you'll need to give us a little more info
[19:40] <ikonia> (of what you exactly want)
[19:40] <ubuntu589> well the file archive my computer is too full too boot
[19:41] <ubuntu589> this has happen a few times i type sudo somethig something to view the files on the drive then sudo delete and i can usally boot when its full
[19:41] <ikonia> ubuntu589: you're not making any sense
[19:41] <ikonia> ubuntu589: are you trying to boot ubuntu yes/no
[19:42] <ubuntu589> ikonia i understand im not so good at computers
[19:42] <ikonia> ubuntu589: are you trying to boot ubuntu yes/no
[19:42] <ubuntu589> no it cant boot the drive is full 100%
[19:42] <ikonia> ubuntu589: are you TRYING to boot ubuntu
[19:42] <ubuntu589> im trying to delete files on the comand line
[19:42] <ubuntu589> with the sudo command
[19:42] <ikonia> ubuntu589: are you TRYING to boot ubuntu yes/no
[19:42] <ubuntu589> yes
[19:42] <ubuntu589> it cannot boot in safe mode the computer is full
[19:43] <ikonia> ubuntu589: what happens when you try to boot ubuntu
[19:43] <ikonia> forget safe mode
[19:43] <ikonia> what happens when you try to boot ubuntu
[19:43] <ubuntu589> im trying to list files on the drive and delete a sigle file
[19:43] <ikonia> ubuntu589: I'm asking you questions to help you - answer the questions I ask you
[19:43] <ikonia> not other things
[19:44] <ubuntu589> it freezes
[19:44] <ubuntu589> well it just keeps trying to load
[19:44] <ikonia> ubuntu589: at what point
[19:44] <ikonia> hang on "trying to load" and "freezes" are two different things
[19:44] <ikonia> what ACTUALLY happens
[19:44] <ubuntu589> im booting now
[19:45] <ubuntu589> the system is running on low graphics mode
[19:45] <ubuntu589> pops up first
[19:45] <ikonia> ok - so thats fine
[19:46] <ikonia> that means it's boot ok
[19:46] <ikonia> that is nothing to do with your hard disk
[19:46] <ikonia> so what's the problem you want to fix
[19:46] <ubuntu589> i want to delete a file on the drive without loggin in
[19:46] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why ?
[19:46] <ikonia> ubuntu589: your machine is booting fine
[19:46] <ubuntu589> because the computer doesnt have enough memory too boot
[19:46] <ikonia> you said it wouldn't boot - now you've shown it IS booting fine
[19:46] <ikonia> ubuntu589: it does - it's booted
[19:46] <ikonia> you've just shown it boots
[19:47] <ubuntu589> yes booted but i cant get the the desktop nothing
[19:47] <ikonia> you can
[19:47] <ikonia> you just said its running in low graphics mode
[19:47] <ubuntu589> what is the command line commad at boot
[19:47] <ikonia> there is no command line at boot
[19:47] <ikonia> ubuntu589: answer the questions I ask
[19:48] <ubuntu589> it ca run low graphics mode
[19:48] <ikonia> ubuntu589: what is the actual problem you want to solve
[19:48] <ikonia> not what what you think the fix is - what is actually broken
[19:48] <ubuntu589> its trys to boot in low graphics mode but cant
[19:48] <ubuntu589> i need to delete a file
[19:48] <ikonia> why ?
[19:49] <ikonia> why do you need to delete a file ?
[19:49] <ubuntu589> the second i delete a file my computer will boot fine
[19:49] <ikonia> which file is it ?
[19:49] <ikonia> what are you trying to boot
[19:49] <ikonia> sorry - what are you trying to delete
[19:50] <ubuntu589> im trying to use the commad tolist files on the drive then pick one from the list ad sudo delete it
[19:50] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why ?
[19:50] <ubuntu589> because im locked out of my computer
[19:50] <bekks> ubuntu589: What are you actually trying?
[19:50] <ikonia> ubuntu589: tell me the PROBLEM, now what you think the solution is
[19:50] <ikonia> "not" what you think the solution is
[19:50] <bekks> Deleting files will not solve that issue.
[19:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Seems like a case of XY to me
[19:50] <OerHeks>  low graphics does not say low diskspace
[19:50] <SonikkuAmerica> !XY
[19:51] <ubuntu589> ok what do i push when booing the computer do open the back box typing doss thing
[19:51] <ubuntu589> booting*
[19:51] <ikonia> ubuntu589: no
[19:51] <ikonia> ubuntu589: lets do this properly
[19:51] <ikonia> ubuntu589: I will ask question you will answer the question I ask
[19:51] <ubuntu589> this is propper
[19:51] <ikonia> understand ?
[19:51] <ubuntu589> fine
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> are you using backbox ??
[19:52] <ikonia> ubuntu589: you are trying to boot ubuntu on your PC yes/no ?
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> he is
[19:52] <ikonia> Johnny_Linux: ?
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> dun dun dun
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> yeah
[19:52] <ikonia> Johnny_Linux: why do you say that ?
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> its like kali
[19:52] <ikonia> I know what it is
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> o ok
[19:52] <Johnny_Linux> didnt know you were aware
[19:52] <OerHeks> he is describing terminal, Johnny_Linux
[19:53] <ikonia> Johnny_Linux: why do you think he's using backbox ?
[19:53] <ubuntu589> i have a seperate laptop i use for dowloading if it gets 100% full ad shit down it cant booti have toi go in the black box thing and delete a file and it can usally boot
[19:53] <Johnny_Linux> he said it
[19:53] <ikonia> ubuntu589: please don't swear
[19:53] <ikonia> Johnny_Linux: where ?
[19:53] <ubuntu589> i didnt swear i never do
[19:53] <Johnny_Linux> booing the computer do open the back box
[19:53] <ikonia> ubuntu589: "please don't use words like shit"
[19:54] <ikonia> Johnny_Linux: "black box" it was a typo
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntu589: I ask you a question you answer that question
[19:54] <Johnny_Linux> ic my mistake then
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntu589: are you trying to boot ubuntu yes/no
[19:54] <ubuntu589> no
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntu589: what are you trying to boot ?
[19:54] <ubuntu589> im trying to open the black box
[19:54] <ubuntu589> the sudo thing
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntu589: what black box ?
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntu589: that is a shell in ubuntu
[19:54] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why are you not trying to boot ubuntu
[19:54] <ubuntu589> yes the shell
[19:55] <ubuntu589> F9?
[19:55] <ikonia> ubuntu589: answer the questions or this will stop
[19:56] <ikonia> ubuntu589: "why are you not booting into ubuntu"
[19:56] <ubuntu589> because i want to delete files in the shell
[19:56] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why
[19:56] <ubuntu589> because i need to
[19:56] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why do you want to delete files in a shell
[19:56] <ubuntu589> i hate files
[19:56] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why do you need to
[19:58] <ubuntu589> this chat usally works like in two seconds with my request google is also jonesing me right now as well
[19:58] <ikonia> ubuntu589: last warning - answer the questions
[19:58] <ikonia> ubuntu589: why do you need to delete files
[19:59] <ubuntu589> because i wat to delete them
[19:59] <ubuntu589> just 1 video
[19:59] <ubuntu589> or song
[19:59] <ikonia> you're wasting our time by hiding information
[19:59] <ubuntu589> or anything
[19:59] <OerHeks> If you keep running out of diskspace, deleting a file is not really a solution.
[19:59] <ikonia> so I'm going to ask you to stop until you can give all the information
[19:59] <ikonia> this obsession to booting into a shell "because you want to" is hiding the truth
[20:00] <ikonia> when you want to tell us the truth - we can help you
[20:00] <ubuntu589> i want to boot in shell use sudo command to list files on drive then sudo delete a file
[20:00] <ikonia> why ?
[20:00] <ikonia> why do you need to do this ?
[20:00] <ubuntu589> because i cant boot
[20:00] <ubuntu589> the disk is full
[20:00] <ikonia> what happens when you try to boot
[20:00] <ubuntu589> this happe4times
[20:00] <ikonia> what happens when you try to boot
[20:00] <ubuntu589> i dont want to boot it does not boot
[20:00] <ikonia> you don't want to boot ?
[20:01] <ubuntu589> because i wat to delete from shell
[20:01] <ikonia> what happens when you try to boot ubuntu
[20:02] <ubuntu881> did i get kicked?
[20:02] <ikonia> ubuntu881: yes
[20:02] <ubuntu881> why
[20:02] <ikonia> ubuntu881: answer the questions you are asked and tell the truth
[20:03] <ubuntu881> why cant i ask you how to open shell?
[20:03] <tripod> he probably has some pear-shaped scipt core-dumping 100gigs into his root lol
[20:03] <ikonia> ubuntu881: because you are hiding information so it's not posible to help
[20:04] <ikonia> ubuntu881: so to help you - we need the information
[20:04] <ubuntu881> tripod i just contrant dowload gigs and gigs sometimes it get full and shut down and then i cant boot
[20:04] <ubuntu881> constant
[20:04] <ikonia> ubuntu881: what happens when you try to boot ubuntu
[20:04] <tripod> "sometimes"
[20:04] <ubuntu881> it black screens forever
[20:04] <tripod> so this happens more than once??
[20:04] <tripod> ...
[20:04] <ikonia> ubuntu881: it blackscreens ?
[20:04] <tripod> dude
[20:04] <ubuntu881> this is like the 3rd time
[20:04] <bobby52> hi
[20:05] <tripod> just boot from cd and mount the root and delete the file
[20:05] <ubuntu881> probally like 3 times a year i forget to transfer and shutdown
[20:05] <tripod> easy
[20:05] <ikonia> ubuntu881: why do you think this is a disk space problem ?
[20:05] <ubuntu881> because it is
[20:05] <ikonia> how do you know ?
[20:05] <ubuntu881> i had this problem before
[20:05] <ikonia> why do you think this ?
[20:05] <ubuntu881> many times
[20:05] <ubuntu881> i delete a file it frees up enough to boot and it boots
[20:06] <ikonia> I don't believe that is the case, certainly not without more info
[20:06] <tripod> dude seriously in the time ive been on this channel you could have put in a cd and rebooted off that - mounted the root to soem mnt dir and deleted the file
[20:06] <ikonia> the only think you should get is a warning about your home directory or logging if the disk is full
[20:06] <ubuntu881> tripod im smoking a blunt with my friend i like how you thik
[20:07] <tripod> eh
[20:07] <ikonia> this is getting silly
[20:07] <tripod> yup
[20:07] <ikonia> ubuntu881: stick to the problem and answering the questions, or please leave the channel
[20:07] <ubuntu881> why cant u just tell me how to boot in shell ad sudo delete a file
[20:07] <tripod> i just did
[20:08] <ikonia> ubuntu881: because you told us thats not working, so we are trying to understnad why
[20:08] <ubuntu881> which button is it at boot?
[20:08] <ikonia> there isn't a button at boot
[20:08] <darxun> ohh lord...
[20:08] <tripod> god
[20:08] <ubuntu881> well when u power on its a F key
[20:09] <ikonia> ubuntu881: you are currently doing drugs and wasting our time
[20:09] <ikonia> I suggest you come back when you are in full control of yourself
[20:09] <tripod> well it was fun all i really wanted to do was find a channel where I could test my home-rolled xchat2.8.8 lolz
[20:09] <tripod> cya
[20:10] <ubuntu881> thanks guys istead of just helping you just bully
[20:10] <ikonia> no-one is bullying you, however you don't appear to be able to interact/respond to questions so we can't help
[20:10] <ikonia> you've stated you're doing drugs which may explain this
[20:10] <ikonia> come back when you're able to interact and share the info
[20:11] <ubuntu881> can just pay bitcoin for these commads
[20:11] <ikonia> no
[20:14] <mintx> keke
[20:15] <rtreleaven> ubuntu881's problems are not the fault of drugs
[20:15] <lotuspsychje> xxMintyx:  how can we help you?
[20:17] <dacorr_> anyone else having issues with nvidia drivers? All was ok then recent update then none of the drivers detect the screen
[20:17] <xxMintyx> You can't help me :D I'm just here to chat
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> dacorr_: grafix card chipset and ubuntu version please?
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | xxMintyx
[20:17] <dacorr_> Nvidia gforce 635M, Ubuntu 15.04
[20:18] <xxMintyx> lotuspsychje: So does that mean I'm not allowed to talk in here? :D
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> dacorr_: did you install nvidia-prime?
[20:18] <ikonia> xxMintyx: it's a channel for ubuntu support discussion, if you want to chat about that, sure thing
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-prime | dacorr_ for optimus card
[20:20] <dacorr_> lotuspsychje: I did. if i install any nvidia driver it wont boot to login screen I have to drop to terminal
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> dacorr_: where did you install the drivers from?
[20:20] <dacorr_> lotuspsychje: eddgers
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | dacorr_
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> dacorr_: i would suggest nvidia-prime with the official drivers that show up your additional drivers list
[20:21] <Bashing-om> dacorr_: A thought, did you purge the old busted driver before (RE-)installing the driver ?
[20:21] <dacorr_> lotuspsychje: i tried the ubuntu repos first
[20:22] <dacorr_> bashing-om: i did purge, also reinstalled xorg, gdm too
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> dacorr_: you sure you installed nvidia-prime and enabled performance mode in nvidia-settings?
[20:22] <OerHeks> Nvidia gforce 635M is supported from nvidia-295 and up, no need for xorg edgers
[20:23] <dacorr_> lotuspsychje: I did although it would not let me enable performance mode
[20:23] <cyberalex4life> I usually use bumblebee, because somehow I get same performance as with prime and much less tearing (and I don't have to log in and log out to switch)
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> dacorr_: probably you wasnt using the correct driver
[20:24] <dacorr_> I have had nothing but trouble with Nvidia since upgrading to 15.04
[20:24] <Bashing-om> dacorr_: I checked with Nvidia site, and they recommned the 352 driver for that card. I am not sure that the repo in 15.04 has that latest driver ?
[20:24] <cyberalex4life> but edgers didn't work for me on 14.04 either
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> yes but no
[20:26] <dacorr_> bashing-om: I will give that one a go before one last purge
[20:26] <cyberalex4life> dacorr_, my next laptop will be full AMD; sick of  intel and nvidia
[20:27] <yardlinux> OK, so I set up port forwarding on my linux machine to an internal IP address but when I ssh to my external IP all I get is connection timed out. Any ideas?
[20:29] <Bashing-om> dacorr_: Mot so straught forward. IF you choose to try the repo ( ist choice) then after pruging drivers, disable the PPA . update/upgrade the system then see what the repo offers for a graphics driver .
[20:31] <xxMintyx> Do I need a nvidia gpu to use nvidias linux drivers
[20:31] <ikonia> yes
[20:31] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, of course
[20:31] <xxMintyx> shit I have an intel apu and I get mad screen tearing
[20:32] <xxMintyx> even with intel drivers
[20:32] <ikonia> tone down the language please xxMintyx
[20:32] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, guess that's what intel can do on linux
[20:32] <xxMintyx> Gammit
[20:33] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, have you tried Ubuntu Gnome, usually tends to be better (from my experience)
[20:33] <xxMintyx> Nope, I only like XFCE and KDE
[20:34] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, on xfce you could try install the KDE desktop manager kdm I think
[20:35] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, for some reason that I don't know, linux Mint was more tearing free than Ubuntu similar versions
[20:35] <xxMintyx> My laptop has screen tearing on every distro i try :/
[20:36] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, what CPU do you have?
[20:36] <andybrine> Im wondering if anyone can help
[20:37] <hubrmph> andybrine: Share the issue with the channel for help.
[20:37] <andybrine> everytime I try to resize a window it resets my screen
[20:37] <xxMintyx> cyberalex4life: Its a pentium laptop apu idk which one
[20:39] <tzun-hai> a question about sudo
[20:39] <andybrine> its strange
[20:39] <xxMintyx> What about sudo?
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> xxMintyx  type  sudo dmidecode -t 4 | pastebinit ... paste the url here
[20:39] <ikonia> tzun-hai: this is for ubuntu support
[20:39] <tzun-hai> when i do sudo, is not my user the same? i will use root folder... witch is not what i really want
[20:39] <ikonia> tzun-hai: you've already told us you are not using ubuntu
[20:39] <tzun-hai> im on the ubuntu now
[20:39] <ikonia> tzun-hai: please do not ask
[20:39] <tzun-hai> i have a couple machines
[20:39] <tzun-hai> not just one
[20:39] <cyberalex4life> xxMintyx, I kind of noticed that, when the cpu/gpu gets more closer to overwhelmed (both intel and nvidia) video tearing occurs, at least in my case, but xfce allways has tearing for me
[20:39] <tzun-hai> i got really 3 ubuntus
[20:39] <tzun-hai> including servers
[20:40] <ikonia> tzun-hai: doesn't look like it according to your version output
[20:40] <tzun-hai> this one?
[20:40] <ikonia> yes
[20:40] <tzun-hai> do i need to start my irc with that version? really?
[20:40] <tzun-hai> im on home, please ¬¬
[20:40] <andybrine> I try and move windows and it does the same thing
[20:40] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, does this happen immediately after install/reinstall?
[20:40] <tzun-hai> you can read the world with your commds ikonia, with respect
[20:41] <ikonia> what ?
[20:41] <andybrine> I have had it installed for a while
[20:41] <xxMintyx> MonkeyDust: http://paste.linux.chat/view/51426662
[20:41] <tzun-hai> you CANT read the world with your irc commands
[20:41] <ikonia> tzun-hai: what are you talking about
[20:41] <tzun-hai> about im not using ubuntu on that chat
[20:41] <ikonia> tzun-hai: I know you're not
[20:41] <ikonia> xxMintyx: you're still using mint too
[20:41] <tzun-hai> I KNOW MAN, but why do i have to log on my ubuntu to ask?
[20:41] <xxMintyx> so :/
[20:42] <andybrine> cyberalex4life I dont know what is causing this
[20:42] <ikonia> xxMintyx: so as you where told earlier, we don't support mint here
[20:42] <ikonia> xxMintyx: you where told where to go for mint support earlier
[20:42] <andybrine> I think it is something to do with the graphics drivers
[20:42] <xxMintyx> Prove that I'm not running ubuntu
[20:42] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, number 19 on http://www.noobslab.com/2015/04/tweaksthings-to-do-after-install-of.html
[20:43] <rubiksmomo> My Unison always tends to freeze when analyzing my videos. How could I fix it? Or is there some other software for 2-way syncing data?
[20:43] <andybrine> cyberalex4life ok thanks. I will give that a show
[20:43] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, it may be, but you should try resetting unity
[20:43] <andybrine> shot*
[20:44] <tzun-hai> AGAIN not being using Ubuntu JUST NOW is not a reason to not ask me
[20:44] <andybrine> im using gnome shell
[20:44] <tzun-hai> last conversation was about another thing
[20:44] <ikonia> tzun-hai: I didn't say it wasn't,
[20:44] <tzun-hai> so dont tell me if i can ask or not
[20:44] <tzun-hai> support what you want
[20:44] <ikonia> tzun-hai: you stated earlier that you are not using ubuntu, and you're not currently using ubuntu, it's not unreasonable to ask
[20:44] <tzun-hai> IN HOME!!
[20:44] <tzun-hai> but i use many distros
[20:44] <ikonia> in home ?
[20:44] <tzun-hai> i have dude on all of the
[20:44] <tzun-hai> now im asking the ubuntu one
[20:45] <ikonia> you have dude on ?
[20:45] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, oh; sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell gdm
[20:45] <tzun-hai> i ASK you about zorin, and you correctly point me to dont ask, now i ask about ubuntu
[20:45] <tzun-hai> i dont know what's wrong with you
[20:45] <ikonia> tzun-hai: nothing
[20:45] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, are you on intel?
[20:45] <ikonia> tzun-hai: show me the ouptut of "id" from your ubuntu machine
[20:45] <andybrine> yea im on intel
[20:45] <tzun-hai> i never had to read that thing
[20:45] <tzun-hai> how to do
[20:45] <tzun-hai> i will show you
[20:46] <ikonia> super
[20:46] <ikonia> thank you
[20:46] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[20:46] <andybrine> I also have shel 3.16
[20:46] <tzun-hai> ¬¬ please ask anyone about it's id
[20:46] <tzun-hai> idi't
[20:46] <ikonia> ?
[20:46] <tzun-hai> unfair
[20:46] <ikonia> no it's not
[20:46] <tzun-hai> how do i read my id?
[20:46] <tzun-hai> tell me or dontkl request it
[20:47] <ikonia> type "id" into a terminal
[20:47] <andybrine> cyberalex4life thanks. I have done that and now going to do a reboot
[20:47] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, I kind of stopped at Gnome Shell 3.14 after having issues with kernel and drivers... Don't know further
[20:47] <andybrine> brb
[20:47] <tzun-hai> outputs a lof of ids, including the root, mine and groups
[20:47] <tzun-hai> wich one you insterested in
[20:47] <andybrine> cyberalex4life thats ok. I think what I have done there should help
[20:48] <ikonia> tzun-hai: type "id" and pastebin the full output please
[20:48] <tzun-hai> ok
[20:48] <ikonia> thanks
[20:48] <andybrine> I love the way Gnome Shell 3.16 works
[20:48] <andybrine> and it did seem to be flawless
[20:49] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, yeah well, playing with new stuff has it's costs
[20:49] <andybrine> thats true
[20:50] <andybrine> anyway, I will brb and see if that has helped :)
[20:53] <andybrine> sadly its still doing it
[20:53] <andybrine> cyberalex4life is there some sort of debugging i can do?
[20:54] <tzun-hai> ikonia: this is the ouput http://paste.ubuntu.com/11823104/
[20:54] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, you are on 15.04 and installed gnome 3.16?
[20:54] <ikonia> tzun-hai: thank you
[20:54] <andybrine> cyberalex4life yea
[20:55] <andybrine> I haveI think i may have screwed up my graphics by adding certain icons
[20:56] <andybrine> so im thinking I could purge some repos
[20:56] <tzun-hai> can i ask now again about sudo?
[20:56] <ikonia> go for it
[20:57] <tzun-hai> i test whoami from sudo, and i got root. Some app's tell me that i need root, therefore the things goes to /root instead my user. How can i tell sudo to use my user paths and things? im not sure if i do a wrong question.
[20:58] <cyberalex4life> andybrine, not a wise choise, from my experience; there are a lot of things to put together in an OS. You can try on Gnome Shell official webpage. Things have changed quite much in Gnome Shell lately. For me it's too much work to do at my present level of knowledge. I recommend to wait for Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 if it gets 3.16
[20:59] <andybrine> cyberalex4life yeah ok. Thanks for you help
[20:59] <andybrine> I may remove icon repos that I know I have added and wont cause any problems if I remover
[21:00] <ikonia> tzun-hai: can you give an example of something you're trying to do ?
[21:00] <tzun-hai> yes, virtualbox
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> andybrine  you mean ppa's ?
[21:00] <ikonia> tzun-hai: what command ?
[21:01] <andybrine> lol yes MonkeyDust
[21:01] <tzun-hai> i used the GUI
[21:01] <ikonia> tzun-hai: how did you launch the gui ?
[21:01] <tzun-hai> with virtualbox command
[21:01] <ikonia> tzun-hai: with sudo or not ?
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> andybrine  try purging ppa's
[21:01] <tzun-hai> i try both
[21:01] <tzun-hai> some features are not avail if not root
[21:02] <ikonia> tzun-hai: so if you launch the gui without sudo it should work and policy kit should elevate your privileges where required
[21:02] <tzun-hai> so im forced to use sudo, and the things goes to /root folder instead the normal way
[21:02] <andybrine> I do use ppas MonkeyDust
[21:02] <ikonia> you shouldn't need sudo for that
[21:02] <tzun-hai> policy kit, ok
[21:02] <andybrine> just using the wrong lingo
[21:02] <tzun-hai> i dont know what i should't use, im a neewbie here
[21:03] <Ben64> tzun-hai: you should almost never need to use sudo
[21:03] <tzun-hai> i think the policy kit you mention didn't work as i guess you explain
[21:03] <Ben64> tzun-hai: what exactly are you wanting to do that requires root
[21:03] <tzun-hai> really?
[21:03] <andybrine> I remember what casued it now. I installed a very new shell theme and its caused problems ever since
[21:04] <andybrine> it has only been minor like this but im almost 100% its that
[21:04] <tzun-hai> i dont remember just now, because i leave it, but, i can try it again. i do so much things and dont remember all. i must check that
[21:04] <tzun-hai> i will look it now
[21:05] <andybrine> has anyone here heard of the evopop shell theme?
[21:05] <colbyfttp> hey folks, can you set up ppas to do this
[21:06] <colbyfttp> willy not availale choose vivid
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> colbyfttp  it's wily, not willy ... wily will be released in october
[21:07] <colbyfttp> not what I asked :)
[21:07] <TJ-> what's a small l between friends?
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> TJ-  true that
[21:07] <colbyfttp> i spelt available wrong too
[21:08] <tzun-hai> ikonia: i forgot what was the virtuabox thing, but i can tell you another example, current one
[21:08] <tzun-hai> etherape, fiddler2
[21:08] <tzun-hai> both of them need root to inspect network devices
[21:08] <TJ-> colbyfttp: I'm not sure you asked anything yet... I didn't see any question marks :)
[21:08] <tzun-hai> how can i run them and use my /home for config files?
[21:09] <colbyfttp> PPA version = wily I want to know if wily version not found use vivid. Is this possible?
[21:10] <TJ-> colbyfttp: You mean is it possible to use packages from Vivid on Wily if none are available for Wily? The answer is 'it depends on each package and its dependencies'
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> colbyfttp  so you want a vivid ppa, for something that's not there for wily? what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[21:12] <locksmith2> Hello
[21:12] <locksmith2> I like how weechat can hide all the parts/joins
[21:12] <aswarirna7> hai
[21:13] <colbyfttp> suppose back story would help. I am copying and pasting a few ppa's. Ubuntu auto puts wily, so instead of having to manually change the PPAs I want it to frop versions auto until found or just check for wily 1st then vivid
[21:13] <colbyfttp> frop =drop
[21:14] <colbyfttp> just looking to see if there is a lazy way to change the ppa version
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> colbyfttp  contact the maintainer of the ppa
[21:15] <locksmith2> use the "alien
[21:15] <locksmith2> alien program
[21:15] <locksmith2> there are ppa rebuilding apps
[21:15] <colbyfttp> ah so no then :) phooey,
[21:15] <colbyfttp> alien??
[21:16] <locksmith2> yep
[21:16] <locksmith2> alien
[21:16] <locksmith2> its a program
[21:16] <locksmith2>        alien - Convert or install an alien binary package
[21:16] <colbyfttp> to the google machine I go :)
[21:16] <locksmith2> it lets you rebuild packages
[21:16] <locksmith2> with your own version info
[21:17] <locksmith2> I mean it rebuilds them for you
[21:17] <colbyfttp> ah yes, cool will check it out.  :D
[21:17] <locksmith2> look at the --version parameter
[21:18] <zy3pD> hi, I want to pass a bash command to a lua script: how to prevent that the parameters are executed as single commands? (Shell Command Injection)
[21:20] <tzun-hai> how can i use sudo and do not use /root to store the data, and use user's home folder?
[21:20] <EriC^^> tzun-hai: that's the default behavior i think
[21:21] <Bashing-om> Bogdaniel: If the profiles have been modified, it is for that users preferences, not much real use to another (?) . Generally the default profile backups are kept in " /etc/skel " directory .
[21:21] <EriC^^> tzun-hai: type sudo echo $HOME
[21:21] <Fuchs> it is unless you use -i or -s, why you'd want that is a better question, though
[21:21] <tzun-hai> you're right Eric^^ thanks.
[21:21] <Bogdaniel> Bashing-om, i know .. :-) been working alot with bash lately.. and i'm kinda sick with the default stuff :-D i was looking for something nice and colored :)) :D
[21:22] <Fuchs> tzun-hai: note that this also means that running graphical applications with sudo will break things, thus the "why you'd want that" part
[21:24] <tzun-hai> YES, this is the problem with virtualbox...
[21:25] <tzun-hai> ikonia: i got the problem
[21:25] <tzun-hai> was the sudo virtualbox uses the root folder instead the NORMAL $home
[21:26] <tzun-hai> thx Fuchs
[21:26] <EriC^^> tzun-hai: why are you running virtualbox as root?
[21:26] <tzun-hai> i really dont remember the why
[21:26] <tzun-hai> it requires me in some point
[21:26] <tzun-hai> i do not take notes about all :( srry
[21:27] <tzun-hai> im trying to remember what was
[21:28] <tzun-hai> i really think i do something wrong when i test it
[21:28] <EriC^^> ok
[21:28] <tzun-hai> but struggling about why it does uses root folder instead home
[21:28] <tzun-hai> was something about vmdk raw disk, using a real disk into a vm
[21:28] <tzun-hai> wich need roots to create it
[21:28] <EriC^^> yeah i thought so
[21:28] <EriC^^> i had to use root once for that
[21:29] <tzun-hai> ;P
[21:29] <EriC^^> why are you running a vm using a raw disk image?
[21:29] <tzun-hai> because i like play
[21:29] <EriC^^> you dont want to restart?
[21:29] <tzun-hai> dont
[21:29] <EriC^^> why not just dualboot?
[21:29] <tzun-hai> dual?
[21:29] <EriC^^> yeah run the os on that disk
[21:29] <tzun-hai> do you mean grub option?
[21:29] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:29] <tzun-hai> there is not DUAL
[21:29] <tzun-hai> not realy dual
[21:29] <tzun-hai> not fair name
[21:30] <tzun-hai> this is OPTION boot, not dual
[21:30] <tzun-hai> dual mean at time
[21:30] <EriC^^> if it's installed on the actual disk, then just have the bios boot it
[21:30] <EriC^^> hehe
[21:30] <EriC^^> you mean simultaneously?
[21:30] <tzun-hai> yes
[21:30] <tzun-hai> will love that
[21:30] <en1gma> how do i set enviroemental variable to make '/home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts/airmon-ng' it globally executable and so apps like reaver can access it when it calls it?
[21:31] <tzun-hai> Eric^^ not so far ago, i was Windows 7 user, and i like to install ubuntu 12 on a second hd
[21:31] <en1gma> for some reason it (compiling from source) isnt making it executable and globally executable. i have to browse to that directory and then do a ./home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts/airmon-ng
[21:31] <tzun-hai> sometines, i wanna test something without leave my OS, so i used Virtualbox to make changes to my real HDD dat
[21:31] <tzun-hai> this is the why i did
[21:31] <tzun-hai> now i dont use, but still curious
[21:31] <EriC^^> i see
[21:32] <tzun-hai> now i can chown files, move then use without sudo... so i have not real problem
[21:32] <tzun-hai> thank you
[21:33] <EriC^^> ok, no problem
[21:33] <en1gma> i did this 'export PATH=$PATH:/home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts/airmon-ng' but it didnt work
[21:35] <tzun-hai> as ubuntu users, wich other distros are more like this?
[21:35] <tzun-hai> im looking a bit for all of distros
[21:37] <TJ-> en1gma: If you build from source, projects usually default to a "make install" using the prefix "/usr/local" but you can usually override that on the command-line with "--prefix=..." Usually "make --help" will provide project-specific hints
[21:38] <TJ-> en1gma: Secondly, when building from source and wanting to execute the resulting binaries you may also need to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH so the executable can find its own libraries
[21:40] <en1gma> oh crap.
[21:40] <en1gma> where do i need them to go or settings to use
[21:41] <en1gma> i bet i just need the LD_LIBRARY_PATH command
[21:41] <en1gma> set to /usr/local
[21:42] <en1gma> make install prefix for default /usr/local will be ok i think
[21:44] <geirha> en1gma: PATH should only contain directories, not the commands themselves
[21:44] <en1gma> so how do i do it
[21:45] <geirha> PATH=$PATH:/home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts
[21:45] <geirha> airmon-ng
[21:46] <TJ-> en1gma: The "/usr/local/" structure is intended for locally-built and installed packages, that aren't under the control of a system package manager, so doing "sudo make install" will put things where they'll be found without you needing to change any paths. Look at the existing path and you'll see "/usr/local/bin/" is looked at before the system directories
[21:46] <geirha> the shell will go through every directory listed in the PATH variable, until it finds one that contains a file named airmon-ng, and then it will execute that
[21:48] <Fezzler> Unplugged 3 SATA cables from motherboard.  DVD; SSD drive; Reg HD.  Don't know what goes in SATA_Express port or SATA3 or sSATA3 ports.  UGH!
[21:48] <Fezzler> I think SSD hardrive goes in SATA_Express port?
[21:49] <Fezzler> Other two go in SATA3 and nothing goes in sSATA3?
[21:49] <Ben64> Fezzler: more of a ##hardware question but it doesn't matter
[21:49] <en1gma> TJ- i have it installed there and the file "airmon-ng" is set as executable now. right now i can only execute from a term in that directory by doing './airmon-ng'
[21:49] <en1gma> what exactly do i need to do to fix it
[21:49] <en1gma> im just not getting what you are saying
[21:49] <Fezzler> Ben64> Couldn't post there for some reason
[21:50] <Ben64> Fezzler: might need to register then
[21:50] <geirha> en1gma: Do you see it if you run this?   type -a airmon-ng
[21:51] <Fezzler> Ben64> Not quite sure how to register.
[21:51] <Ben64> !register | Fezzler
[21:51] <en1gma> en1gma@en1gma-All-Series:~$ sudo -i
[21:51] <en1gma> root@en1gma-All-Series:~# -a airmon-ng
[21:51] <en1gma> -a: command not found
[21:51] <en1gma> if i do it as non sudo something else happens
[21:52] <EriC^^> type is a command en1gma
[21:52] <geirha> en1gma: type -a airmon-ng, not -a airmon-ng
[21:52] <TJ-> en1gma: You mean you've done "make install" and the script is executable in "/usr/local/bin/" ? Did you remove the addition to the PATH variable you made earlier that points into the source directory... that might be finding the script first
[21:52] <en1gma> never removed the export function i added
[21:52] <EriC^^> en1gma: add it to root's $PATH then, if it works without sudo
[21:53] <Ben64> en1gma: why sudo -i? just 'sudo airmon-ng' should work if the PATH is set up properly
[21:53] <TJ-> en1gma: hint: doing "which some-command" will search PATH and tell you the absolute path to the file that would be executed
[21:53] <EriC^^> or what Ben64 said
[21:53] <essay> hey, has anyone here tried using mqueue.h? i've been trying to use it, gcc keeps reporting errors like 'undefined reference to mq_open'.
[21:53] <geirha> use "type" rather than "which" though
[21:54] <essay> the same project does build on CentOS just fine.
[21:54] <en1gma> TJ neither sudo or non sudo find it. only way it to be in the ~/aircrack-ng/scripts directory and doing ./airmon-ng
[21:54] <geirha> which is a non-standard, external command that only searches PATH. type is a standard, builtin command that tells you what and/or where a command is
[21:54] <Ben64> en1gma: which is why you need to set the path properly
[21:55] <en1gma> with the export or the LD_LIBRARY_PATH function and do i do it for root and non root?
[21:55] <EriC^^> yeah, type would also tell you if an alias is set or not
[21:55] <EriC^^> fwiw
[21:55] <Ben64> en1gma: <geirha> PATH=$PATH:/home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts
[21:55] <en1gma> i never typed the word type
[21:55] <en1gma> do i need to type 'type'?
[21:55] <TJ-> essay: how are you including it from your source-code?
[21:56] <essay> #include <mqueue.h>
[21:56] <al2o3-cr> isn't the aircrack-ng suite in the repos?
[21:56] <essay> TJ: I also have the '-lrt' flag set.
[21:56] <TJ-> essay: If it's the one from linux-linc-dev you need "#include <linux/mqueue.h>"
[21:56] <TJ-> s/linc/libc/ !!
[21:56] <Ben64> al2o3-cr: yep
[21:57] <en1gma> ben64 gierha*
[21:57] <en1gma> FTW
[21:57] <en1gma> thanks guys. im copying that command to my desktop
[21:57] <geirha> en1gma: ''type -a airmon-ng'' will list all the available commands named airmon-ng, sorted in prioritized order
[21:57] <al2o3-cr> ah, then maybe he's just after the latest
[21:58] <EriC^^> en1gma: add it to your ~/.profile or something
[21:58] <essay> TJ-: i was using eglibc. does that not have it?
[21:59] <TJ-> essay: apt-file he say "libc6-dev: /usr/include/mqueue.h"
[21:59] <en1gma> "-a airmon-ng" as root or non root = command not found
[22:00] <en1gma> oh wait
[22:00] <Ben64> stop doing -a!
[22:00] <EriC^^> en1gma: the command is type -a airmon-ng
[22:00] <TJ-> essay: hint: "find /usr/include -type f -name 'mqueue.h'  "
[22:00] <en1gma> "airmon-ng is /home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts/airmon-ng"
[22:00] <essay> yes, i do have it in /usr/include
[22:00] <TJ-> PATH still hasn't been reset
[22:00] <en1gma> i did the path command
[22:01] <geirha> en1gma: there you go, it has found it now
[22:01] <en1gma> ahh cool
[22:01] <en1gma> so i need to add what to my ~/.profile
[22:01] <geirha> when you run airmon-ng, it will execute /home/en1gma/aircrack-ng/scripts/airmon-ng
[22:01] <en1gma> that location?
[22:01] <EriC^^> en1gma: the PATH=... command
[22:01] <en1gma> what happens when i run reaver? will it look for it there too?
[22:02] <TJ-> That's a terrible way to do it... much better to install it properly; changing the path to run commands from source builds is a recipe for trouble
[22:02] <geirha> yeah, add PATH=~/aircrack-ng/scripts:$PATH   to the end of  ~/.profile   to make it permanent
[22:02] <en1gma> thanks guys
[22:02] <en1gma> thats exactly what i was needing
[22:05] <essay> anyone have any idea what's happening in my situation?
[22:06] <en1gma> wait
[22:06] <TJ-> essay: Is the symbol not present in the header? Have you checked?
[22:07] <en1gma> its not it
[22:07] <EriC^^> en1gma: what's not?
[22:07] <en1gma> the tab complete pops it up but when i finish the command it does not execute. says command not found
[22:07] <essay> TJ-: the function declarations are present.
[22:08] <EriC^^> en1gma: does type still point to it?
[22:08] <jeluk> how o i set up a private channel?
[22:08] <en1gma> only way still to execute is by doing 'sudo ./aircrack-ng/scripts/airmon-ng'
[22:08] <en1gma> tab complete pops up airmon-ng just fine
[22:09] <en1gma> but when i hit enter command not found
[22:09] <EriC^^> en1gma: type sudo type -a airmon-ng
[22:09] <TJ-> essay: oh sorry! is this a linker error... can you show be the gcc command line you're using?
[22:09] <en1gma> "sudo: type: command not found"
[22:09] <EriC^^> en1gma: type echo $PATH
[22:10] <EriC^^> en1gma: or sudo echo $PATH
[22:10] <EriC^^> wait what
[22:10] <EriC^^> type is a builtin
[22:10]  * zykotick9 thought cracking software was OT in #ubuntu
[22:10] <en1gma> what do i put between the '   '
[22:10] <EriC^^> ah nevermind
[22:10] <geirha> If you want to run it as root, don't install it in your homedir
[22:10] <essay> TJ-: cc -lrt  -o project file1.o file2.o
[22:11] <en1gma> oh the svn is in the home dir
[22:11] <en1gma> ok i think we got it :)
[22:11] <essay> TJ-: yes, this seems to be a linker error
[22:11] <en1gma> do i need to remove the export path in ~./profile. probably as it will need to be in /root/./profile i bet
[22:12] <en1gma> yea i think your right
[22:12] <en1gma> well wait
[22:12] <en1gma> yep i think. i try new install real quick
[22:12] <TJ-> essay: You must list the libraries to be linked *after* the source-file name
[22:12] <en1gma> let me clean up first
[22:12] <TJ-> essay: as in "gcc mqueue.c -lrt"
[22:14] <essay> TJ-: mqueue.h is a standard header file.
[22:14] <geirha> en1gma: install it to /usr/local like suggested several times already
[22:14] <TJ-> essay: I know
[22:14] <TJ-> essay: I just built against the rt librarry without a problem
[22:16] <tzun-hai> clear
[22:16] <tzun-hai> ¬¬ omg clear
[22:16] <tzun-hai> bye!
[22:17] <essay> TJ-: ok, so if file1.o and file2.o are my object files, then i need to use 'gcc mqueue.c -lrt -o project file1.o file2.o'?
[22:18] <TJ-> essay: "gcc -o project file1.o file2.o myprogram.c -lrt" ... -l needs to follow other options
[22:19] <OnkelTem> Hi
[22:19] <OnkelTem> My clock is wrong and I have no idea how to set correct time
[22:20] <essay> TJ-: oh, i see what you're saying. let me try that. interestingly, this had worked fine when i was building on CentOS.
[22:20] <OnkelTem> I have ntp installed
[22:20] <TJ-> essay: see "man gcc" and "/-l library" (around line 6365) ... order is significant
[22:20] <en1gma> geirha how does the 'make' and 'sudo make install' look with /usr/local prefix
[22:20] <en1gma> cleaning up again
[22:21] <jeluk> what are you fellas installing?
[22:21] <TJ-> essay: older versions of gcc didn't do this, it caught a lot of devs out when gcc introduced the change since it broke Makefiles galore, but that was years ago now :)
[22:21] <andybrine> Does anyone know the directory where I can find icons?
[22:21] <andybrine> looking everywhere for it
[22:21] <OnkelTem> how to set time?
[22:22] <TJ-> andybrine: "/usr/share/icons"
[22:23] <TJ-> andybrine: and "/usr/share/pixmaps"
[22:23] <essay> TJ-: that worked, thanks!
[22:23] <andybrine> awesome, thanks TJ-
[22:23] <TJ-> OnkelTem: see "man date"
[22:24] <OnkelTem> TJ-: i have hwclock resetted to 2001 1 jan
[22:24] <TJ-> OnkelTem: you want to reset the hardware clock/
[22:24] <OnkelTem> TJ-: I dont want to set clock manually, I have ntp installed, but it doesn't update hwclock
[22:25] <TJ-> OnkelTem: It won't if the drift is more than about 1 second; see "man ntpdate"
[22:25] <OnkelTem> then how to force it?
[22:25] <TJ-> OnkelTem: see the man-page; I think '-b' looks to do what you need
[22:26] <OnkelTem> also, ntpdate clams it sees no server. At that /etc/ntp.conf has the list of default ubuntu servers )
[22:28] <TJ-> OnkelTem:  did you use the debug option to analyse why?
[22:30] <Loshki> OnkelTem: well, can you ping any of the ntp servers?
[22:30] <OnkelTem> Loshki: yes. I just noticed it says: "no servers can be _used_"
[22:31] <OnkelTem> Why I issue just ntpdate -d, I get two lines, the first with the current real time and the second with that "no servers.." message
[22:31] <OnkelTem> When*
[22:32] <Loshki> Sounds like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193509
[22:32] <TJ-> OnkelTem: please *read* the man-page. ntpdate requires a NTP server as an argument
[22:33] <TJ-> OnkelTem: if you want the version that reads /etc/ntp.conf use "ntpdate-debian"
[22:36] <Ben64> speaking of time stuff, what's up with this?  4 Jul 15:36:04 ntpdate[13230]: ntpdate<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mon Apr 13 13:39:47 UTC 2015 (1)
[22:37] <OnkelTem> TJ-: -b and other options doesn't seem to set the time
[22:37] <Ben64> wait nevermind, i'm dumb. thought the times were off by 3 minutes
[22:37] <OnkelTem> does this mean that the only way to set my hwclock is to do this mamually?
[22:37] <Ben64> OnkelTem: sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov
[22:40] <OnkelTem> Ben64: no, this doesn't work. Server is bad :)
[22:41] <Ben64> OnkelTem: what do you mean
[22:41] <OnkelTem> "no server suitable for synchronization is found"
[22:42] <TJ-> OnkelTem: is "hwclock --systohc" not working?
[22:42] <hplc> where to find lists suitable for use in proxies as blocklist? i tried googling and all i find is lists for p2p clients banlists, im in need of "one host per line" format. i thought i found it on "https://www.iblocklist.com/lists.php" but it doesnt seem to fit "TinyProxy" ban-list format
[22:43] <OnkelTem> TJ-: working, but I had to set it manually with date
[22:43] <Ben64> OnkelTem: sudo ntpdate <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:43] <OnkelTem> TJ-: but I can't set it so exact that it would match real time +/- 1sec
[22:44] <OnkelTem> Just how to set local system time unconditionally and instantly?
[22:44] <TJ-> OnkelTem: you need to diagnose the network connectivity, so ntpdate-debian or ntpdate can be used
[22:44] <andybrine> is there a place to download the default icon theme folder? I deleted it b mistake
[22:45] <TJ-> OnkelTem: the ntpd should be keeping the system time accurate if it can connec to the NTP pool servers
[22:45] <Ben64> andybrine: what folder, and why are you going around deleting stuff
[22:45] <OnkelTem> TJ-: when I run any of those commands with -d option I get a bunch of output - it can connect servers
[22:45] <Ben64> OnkelTem: run the command i gave you
[22:46] <TJ-> andybrine: this command will list all the packages that install icons: "dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/"
[22:46] <andybrine> Ben64 I had problems with one of my icon themes so I installed all folders apart from Adwaita which I thought was default
[22:46] <OnkelTem> Ben64: no servers message again
[22:46] <Ben64> OnkelTem: pastebin the full command and error
[22:46] <OnkelTem> Ben64: and I can ping it
[22:46] <TJ-> andybrine: from those you can then reinstall any that you've deleted files from with "sudo apt-get --reinstall install <package>"
[22:47] <andybrine> ok thanks TJ-
[22:47] <TJ-> OnkelTem: Ping is ICMP, NTP uses UDP ... check the firewall
[22:47] <OnkelTem> TJ-: I have no one
[22:48] <TJ-> OnkelTem: The gateway/router will have one surely?
[22:49] <OnkelTem> Ben64: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/659457f6c51e01706611
[22:50] <OnkelTem> TJ-: sure, but it is trasparent, I don't force any special rules. My other PC works fine
[22:51] <sammyg> bekks: i know it's a tad bit late now, but what did you mean by "those are filesystem types (not to be mixed up with actual filesystems)"? filesystem type vs. actual filesystem?
[22:51] <OnkelTem> TJ-: see the gist, it is connecting actually
[22:51] <TJ-> OnkelTem: that pastebin shows the connection was OK... if you drop the -d debug option it should step the clock 175 seconds according to that
[22:51] <OnkelTem> but doesn't set time
[22:52] <TJ-> OnkelTem: please *read* the man-pages like we do, they tell you all this! "-d     Enable the debugging mode, in which ntpdate will go through all the steps, but ****not adjust the local  clock****.  Information useful for general debugging will also be printed."
 But as I said it doens't update the clock and prints message: "no server suitable for synchronization found"
[22:54] <Ben64> well pastebin it!
[22:54] <OnkelTem> command is just the same
[22:54] <TJ-> OnkelTem: Because you need "-b" to force the step
[22:54] <OnkelTem> moment
[22:55] <TJ-> That gist shows the offset is 175 seconds. It isn't going to try to slew that, it had to step it
[22:55] <OnkelTem> same crap, "no server suitable.. " message with -b
[22:55] <OnkelTem> ah, so I have to rerun this command ermm 175 times?
[22:55] <OnkelTem> :)
[22:55] <anew> anyone know where the heck the phpmyadmin folder is for ubuntu 1404 lts
[22:56] <OnkelTem> anew: dpkg -L phpmyadmin
[22:56] <anew> ah thanks
[22:57] <sammyg> is it possible for linux to have hidden extended partitions or partition tables?
[22:57] <krc> Anyone here competent with pulseaudio?
[22:57] <anew> OnkelTem, how can i find a specific file now?  (phpmyadmin.config)
[22:58] <OnkelTem> anew: dpkg -L phpmyadmin | grep config
[22:58] <krc4267> I have a problem with pulseaudio and bluetooth. Anyone able to help?
[22:59] <OnkelTem> anew: 12.xx doesn't have such a file btw. Dunno about 14.xx
[22:59] <anew> damn that's nice... but i dont think it's in that folder... can i search everything for 'phpmyadmin.config' ?
[22:59] <anew> o rly
[22:59] <OnkelTem> anew: do you use apache?
[22:59] <anew> yes apache
[22:59] <TJ-> OnkelTem: I offset the time 2 minutes backward then tried it here and it works: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11823853/
[23:00] <oobfdsa> has anyone noticed issues with the latest kernels on 15.04?
[23:00] <OnkelTem> anew: then check out /etc/apache2/conf-available dir
[23:00] <krc4267> I haven't noticed issues with the kernel but apt-get upgrade broke a2dp for my headset
[23:01] <oobfdsa> on 2 separate machines, latest won't boot and I have to downgrade. 3.19.15 works ok, 3.19.21 won't boot
[23:01] <anew> yep
[23:01] <anew> brilliant
[23:01] <anew> thanks man
[23:01] <TJ-> oobfdsa: has the /boot/ file-system run out of space? "df"
[23:01] <oobfdsa> TJ-: no
[23:02] <TJ-> oobfdsa: what error do you see
[23:02] <oobfdsa> don't have it recorded off hand
[23:02] <TJ-> does the kernel start to boot and Panic, or freeze, or you get some kind of crash once the initrd starts work?
[23:03] <OnkelTem> TJ-: I see. Bringing the secular light of reboot to my laptop now
[23:03] <TJ-> OnkelTem: Awwwww
[23:04] <oobfdsa> actually sorry it seems my memory is a bit fuzzy. one it panics or oops, the other loads but one of the screens doesn't have any output
[23:04] <TJ-> oobfdsa: I'd suggest next time you try it being ready with a camera/video recorder and try to capture something useful we can use to diagnose it
[23:05] <krc4267> my system is running 3.19.0-21-generic and it's working fine atm
[23:05] <TJ-> oobfdsa: are the 2 PCs the same make/model? do they share common hardware chipsets?
[23:05] <krc4267> for what that's worth
[23:05] <sammyg> OerHeks: extended partition in mbr is not "primary"... yes it's sort of primary... taking the 16 byte entry space, but it's "extended" by definition and fdisk or parted will show you this... extended has a partition type of 05h (chs address) or 07h (lba address).
[23:06] <TJ-> For new kernel installs I first suspect a corrupt kernel image or more likely the initrd.img ... it's always worth reinstall the kernel package and regenerating the initrd.img
[23:09] <krc4267> So, for a long time now if a bluetooth headset was paired before pulseaudio started it wouldn't switch to a2dp. That's still the case except now when I pair a headset with pulse running it crashes pulse. Any ideas?
[23:14] <sammyg> OerHeks: linux extended partitions do have their own partition type id, it's 85h... that's what i meant... so extended partition created in linux is 85h and in windows or dos it's 05h or 0Fh... and those are partition types, not filesystem types... it depends where you create them, what tool you use etc.
[23:16] <TJ-> sammyg: what is your issue?
[23:17] <colbyfttp> hey folks, anyone use touchscreen laptop, if so is there specific way to set it up?
[23:17] <colbyfttp> such as on screen keyboard
[23:20] <sammyg> TJ-: i installed windows 10, ubuntu 15.04, fedora 22 on same hdd, mbr... bios system... windows system partition is primary, one extended, one logical with windows 10, installed ubuntu with one logical for swap and another for root and etc... installed fedora... asked for standard partition... no lvm... also two logical, one swap, one root... got 2 primary instead... out of bound of extended partition... so i am thinking it may be logical
[23:20] <sammyg>  but shows up as primary only... linked list of extended boot records...
[23:20] <sammyg> i was thinking about diving in with a disk editor...
[23:21] <sammyg> if someone has a clue... please post here
[23:21] <sammyg> here is paste: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/239834/
[23:45] <alexd_> Ubuntu world
[23:46] <alexd_> can anyone tell me how to install a program downloaded apart from  software updater?  I downloaded Firefox Developer which is a special firefox browser with built in web development tools. It is a tar.bz2 file extension.  I extracted it but can not find a readme file.
[23:53] <Zebra111> Whenever I hold down a key on my USB keyboard and move my mouse, the mouse stutters really bad and it's difficult to play video games. What can I do to fix this?
[23:53] <jeluk> recalibrate i guess
[23:54] <Zebra111> jeluk How would I be able to recalibrate it? For some reason the trackpad doesn't have the same behaviour though
[23:54] <Elion> hi, i have an ubuntu 15.04 on an iscsi network disk, when i try to enable ufw it just crash the OS, what rules should i add to enable ufw ?
[23:55] <jeluk> not sure then zebra
[23:55] <jeluk> and dunno elion haven't touched the ufw much
[23:57] <Foxhoundz> ubuntu 15 is out?
[23:57] <Foxhoundz> when did this happen?
[23:58] <bazhang> april
[23:58] <hubrmph> Foxhoundz: 15.04=4-15
[23:58] <hubrmph> or so
[23:58] <ahmed__> hi
[23:58] <jeluk> ubuntu 15 has been out for ages
[23:59] <ahmed__> anyone can tell me how to display my current version of ubuntu from the terminal
[23:59] <Elion> April
[23:59] <Elion> ahmed__: lsb_release -a