[09:13] <Kinder-Pingvi> Hi! Small question about 16.10 ubuntu. If I install right now this version, could I get every day updates with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? That updates, which developers add into "every day nightly builds" ?
[09:13] <k1l> Kinder-Pingvi: yes
[09:13] <k1l> but "apt full-upgrade" is the new apt-get
[09:14] <Kinder-Pingvi> k1l, thanks for answer! So "apt" is a new wrapper of package manager?
[09:14] <Kinder-Pingvi> apt-get is deprecated?
[09:15] <k1l> yeah. and the naming scheme is not that confusing. with dist-upgrade most users panic that they will get to a new ubuntu release
[09:17] <Kinder-Pingvi> hmm, apt is really easier to use than apt-get
[09:18] <Kinder-Pingvi> lol, moo is still available in apt :)
[22:18] <maxb> Are there any users of ibus-mozc out there? It seems to have stopped showing its suggestions window since I upgraded to yakkety
[22:38] <maxb> Well, I got it back by locally building the version from Debian sid


[13:34] <veger> I added a feature request, see bug 791823, could someone set it the importance to WishList?
[13:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 791823 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Closing opened subfolders after moving a message (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791823
[13:35] <pedro_> veger, done
[13:36] <veger> thanks
[13:38] <stlsaint> if i were to triage bugs from other ubuntu variants, IE: Kubuntu, edubuntu, lubuntu, would that work still count towards making membership?
[13:43] <pedro_> stlsaint, as long as being done in LP, yes
[13:47] <stlsaint> pedro_: ok thanks
[13:50] <pedro_> you're welcome
[13:53] <veger> As I am kinda new (and still waiting for a mentor), could someone show me some pointer so I can help with the evolution bug day?
[13:53] <veger> I read the wiki page already
[13:59] <njin> hello, why if i launch hugday list i've got Assertion Error?
[14:12] <pedro_> veger, just ask here in the channel , there's plenty of people willing to help :-)
[14:12] <pedro_> njin, hey!, it works fine here, are you using the version from bzr ?
[14:13] <pedro_> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-qa-tools , there is the latest version , that works fine for me
[14:13] <njin> pedro_. hello, yes
[14:13] <njin> uhm, no i'm not using that
[14:13] <pedro_> njin, probably was the links, could you try now? i've fixed the links on the page
[14:13] <njin> i'm trying now
[14:14] <pedro_> bugs were listed with 'launchpad.net/blah' instead of 'bugs.launchpad.net/blah'
[14:14] <njin> pedro_: ok
[14:14] <veger> pedro_: so, I should pick a bug from the page and take a look at it according to the notes aboven the list?
[14:15] <pedro_> veger, yes, exactly that
[14:16] <pedro_> veger, you can also pick any bug from the lp page of that product : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution
[14:16] <pedro_> not all the bugs are listed in the wiki page, cause there's *quite* a lot of them
[14:16] <veger> ok, I'll take a look to see whether I can be of any help with one of the bugs
[14:29] <njin> bug 769229 closed because reportr unsubscribed
[14:29] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 769229 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution hang when using imap (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769229
[14:29] <njin> pedro_:^^
[14:31] <pedro_> njin, that's ok, we need a backtrace and the reporter didn't provide it...
[14:38] <njin> bug 780400 reassigned to xorg to collect data (hotkey not working)
[14:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 780400 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Unable to start Evolution from keyboard (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780400
[14:50] <njin> bug 781197 reassigned and request if experiencing more crashes, request to reinstall evolution -data-server
[14:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 781197 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in camel_partition_table_lookup() (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781197
[14:51] <njin> pedro_: sorry i'm starting hugday... promise ^^
[14:54] <pedro_> njin, remember to close the bugs at the wiki page too
[14:55] <njin> ok
[15:08] <njin> hello, can someone tell me where is cookies.sqlite, search cannot found it !
[15:09] <roadmr> njin: find ~ -iname cookies* , I see a couple under .mozilla/firefox/xxxxxx.default/ and .thunderbird/xxxxxx.default/
[15:10] <njin> roadmr.thanks
[15:27] <jibel> njin, locate is your friend too:
[15:27] <jibel> locate cookies.sqlite
[15:27] <njin> jibel: thanks
[15:35] <veger> the hugday tool from ubuntu-qa-tools gives an 'AssertionError:'. The bzr version seems to work better. Does the (official) package need an update?
[15:46] <veger> so i confirmed bug 790014, should I add a upsteam report as well. Or is it finished and should I make the report on the wiki page green (indicated it has been processed)?
[15:46] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 790014 in evolution (Ubuntu) "index says there is an unread message, but in fact there is no mesage (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790014
[15:50] <pedro_> veger, that sounds like a duplicate
[15:50] <veger> oh
[15:50] <pedro_> could be bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577542
[15:50] <ubot4`> Gnome bug 577542 in Mailer "Incorrect unread count displayed" [Major,New]
[15:50] <pedro_> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627059
[15:50] <ubot4`> Gnome bug 627059 in BugBuddyBugs "Unread message(s) shown in folder view though there are none in folder" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[15:51] <pedro_> there's a few about unread count at the upstream bug tracker
[15:51] <veger> I did not check LP for duplicate report as well
[15:52] <pedro_> on LP : bug 365140
[15:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 365140 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Evolution displays folder as unread even though all mail in it is read (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 11)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365140
[15:52] <pedro_> feel free to mark it as a duplicate and set the wiki page as green :-)
[15:52] <pedro_> thanks for helping veger!
[15:53] <veger> ok I will do that, thanks for your help as well :)
[15:53] <veger> next time I'll try and find duplicates as well
[15:54] <veger> pedro_: another question: do I need to change the status from Confirmed (to Invalid) after marking the bug as duplicate?
[15:56] <pedro_> veger that doesn't really matter , just leave the old status (confirmed)
[15:56] <veger> ok
[16:49] <roadmr> pedro: I confirmed bug 776972, should I set both affected projects to confirmed? Also, I think it should be importance: high (accessibility of core application - can't really maximize on a netbook in non-english languages)
[16:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 776972 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't maximise evolution (affects: 1) (heat: 138)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776972
[16:56] <pedro_> roadmr, i've seen that before in netbook remix, probably is a duplicate
[16:56] <pedro_> roadmr, i don't think it's a high importance bug though, the application works, only the maximise doesn't correctly
[16:57] <pedro_> medium or low depending on the quantity of users affected
[16:57] <roadmr> pedro_: I'll dive into evolution bugs, see if I can find a dupe
[16:57] <pedro_> looks like another of the nice side effects of bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267787
[16:57] <ubot4`> Gnome bug 267787 in Miscellaneous "Evolution is unusable in 800x600 or 1024x768" [Normal,New]
[16:58] <roadmr> pedro_: yep, that gnome bug looks like it
[16:59] <pedro_> bug 23810
[16:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 23810 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Evolution is unusable in 1024x768 (affects: 65) (dups: 22) (heat: 375)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23810
[16:59] <pedro_> that's the one tracking it at lp
[16:59] <roadmr> pedro_: importance: medium instead of high, I agree, part of the window is not usable but it's only 4 pixels (in french at least)
[17:00] <pedro_> roadmr, you can mark it as dup of that one and then raise the importance of the master to Medium
[17:00] <roadmr> whoa, so it's been around for quite a while :)
[17:02] <roadmr> pedro_: done with the duping but I can't set importance :( (no bugcontrol) could you please help with that?
[17:02] <pedro_> njin, don't forget to add comments to the bugs when you change the status/importance :-)
[17:03] <njin> ok
[17:03] <veger> oh... I did not change the importance (well I personally cannot do that), should I do this before moving on to the next bug?
[17:03] <pedro_> roadmr, done! :-)
[17:03] <roadmr> thanks pedro_ !
[17:03] <pedro_> you're welcome, thanks for helping!
[17:04] <pedro_> veger, you can ask in the channel for someone to set the importance for you, just give a little explaining on the why changing it and will do it
[17:04] <veger> I understand, my question was more like: it is required? :)
[17:05] <veger> if so, i'll revisit the previous bugs I looked at
[17:06] <pedro_> veger, yes the idea is to also set the right importance for those bugs were there's enough info to determine it
[17:06] <brendand> veger - it get's you karma :)
[17:06] <brendand> this bug is annoying and in a core application, so i think 'medium'
[17:06] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/779398
[17:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 779398 in evolution (Ubuntu) "horizontal preview bar (affects: 1) (heat: 134)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:07] <brendand> it's stuff like that which is why i use thunderbird
[17:07] <brendand> doesn't save the ui adjustments :/
[17:07] <yofel> the importance should generally be set as soon as possible, and you get some exercise in deciding on the right importance :)
[17:09] <brendand> should i raise an upstream bug? i haven't seen anything matching that in gnome bugzilla
[17:09] <veger> bug 778194, I think the importance is low, as it does not really influence evolution and there is an easy work-around: just kill the application...
[17:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 778194 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Evolution does not quit if operations are pending (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778194
[17:09] <pedro_> i think i've seen that preview pane somewhere...
[17:10] <pedro_> brendand, bug 777340
[17:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 777340 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Previw pane does keep it last position (affects: 1) (heat: 161)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777340
[17:10] <pedro_> and there's a typo in the title
[17:11] <brendand> pedro_ thanks, i'll dupe the other one
[17:12] <pedro_> brendand, you're welcome, thanks for helping!
[17:12] <pedro_> veger, yeah low seems ok
[17:12] <roadmr> wow, either pedro is very, very familiar with evolution bugs, or we're sucking at looking for duplicates beforehand :( heheh
[17:12] <pedro_> veger, did you send it upstream? :-)
[17:13] <pedro_> veger, please don't forget to put a link to the bug in launchpad, so the upstream maintainers can have a look to it if there's more info from users
[17:13] <veger> pedro_: yes I did as I could not find a similar report upstream
[17:13] <brendand> roadmr - well, the previw wouldn't have helped find it :)
[17:13] <pedro_> haha indeed
[17:13] <veger> I added the link at the 'see also' field, as my previous upstream report got that one added by another user
[17:14] <pedro_> veger, awesome, it's great you're doing that, thanks a lot :-)
[17:14] <veger> pedro_: could you set the importance? :)
[17:14] <brendand> sometimes i find it amazing how such different language can be used to describe the exact same bug
[17:14] <pedro_> veger, doing it now and i'll change the importance to Triaged
[17:17] <veger> pedro_: ok, thanks
[17:23] <veger> bug 781851 seems to be a request to me, so it should have a wishlist importance I suppose?
[17:23] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 781851 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution 2.32.2 no longer allows changing keyboard shortcuts (affects: 1) (heat: 251)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781851
[17:24] <veger> unless it was unintentional and indeed is a bug...
[17:29] <hggdh> veger, assume it was unintentional (unless the changelog states it was taken out)
[17:30] <veger> ok, I'll check the changelog
[17:32] <veger> ok, it is a bug :)
[17:33] <veger> before submitting it upstream, I suppose I need to check whether it is a packinging problem?
[17:35] <arand> veger: Often best to, people can get noyyed if you ask them to solve others' messes ;)
[17:36] <veger> arand: agree! :) Any hint on how I could check this?
[17:37] <arand> Build from source, commonly.
[17:37] <bdmurray> pedro_: desktopcouch is not a desktop team package right?
[17:38] <veger> building evolution from source? heh... I'll try...
[17:38] <arand> veger: In the case ov evolution, that can be a pain, but still.. You may want to test updated packages as well.
[17:38] <arand> veger: unstable/oneiric
[17:39] <pedro_> bdmurray, nope , that's being maintained by the online folks (ubuntu one hackers i think)
[17:40] <pedro_> veger, no need to , editing the xml file is an old workaround to change the shorcuts , better to open an enhancement request for that in the upstream BTS not sure if they're going to implement it though but we cannot decide for them :-P
[17:41] <veger> pedro_: an enhancement request like 'please add a configuration option to configure keyboard shortcuts'?
[17:42] <pedro_> yeah something like that
[17:42] <veger> ok, i'll do that
[17:42] <pedro_> thanks!
[17:48] <veger> pedro_: could you change the importance to wishlist?
[17:51] <pedro_> veger, done!
[17:51] <veger> thanks
[17:51] <brendand> this is a pretty bad localisation bug
[17:51] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/754128
[17:51] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 754128 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution shows 24 hour time when locale shows 12 hour time (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:51] <brendand> should be at least medium
[19:37] <brendand> hggdh - thanks.
[19:37] <brendand> i also got the upstream bug for it : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567870
[19:37] <ubot4`> Gnome bug 567870 in Mailer "Evolution mail list ignores locale settings when displaying date / time" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[19:38] <hggdh> brendand, perfect, mind adding the upstream bug?
[19:40] <berdario> hello... I don't want to bother anyone but, I was wondering...
[19:41] <berdario> since I reported a bug several months ago, and nobody looked at it... until a triager passed by, flagged it as "incomplete", and asked me to reproduce it once again
[19:41] <hggdh> berdario, hello. Instead of worrying about bothering us, just shoot your question/doubt ;-)
[19:41] <berdario> if this bug would've been a strange bug... like something related to my configuratio or my hardware... that would've been fine
[19:41] <berdario> but this was a quite simple UI bug
[19:41] <hggdh> berdario, can you give us the bug # (type in 'bug #####', where #### is the bug number)
[19:42] <berdario> bug 647632
[19:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 647632 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Find in text message doesn't warn about no matching found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647632
[19:42] <berdario> I understand that this is a voluntary effort
[19:42] <berdario> (like for me reporting the bug, after all)
[19:43] <berdario> but isn't flagging it as "incomplete", when the triager could've reproduced it on his own, somewhat a bad practice?
[19:44] <berdario> especially since, after some days, an "incomplete" bug automatically expires, and thus it's "partly lost" (ok, nothing really gets ever lost... it's everything still there on launchpad...)
[19:45] <pedro_> berdario, nope is not a bad practice
[19:45] <pedro_> you're welcome to send it upstream though since you can reproduce the issue
[19:45] <pedro_> upstream being bugzilla.gnome.org product evolution
[19:45] <hggdh> berdario, well, generically yes. But this was most probably pedro on a script, working on bugs that had been opened for a long time
[19:46] <berdario> yes, I see that pedro is handling most of the evolution bugs
[19:46] <berdario> (and unfortunately evolution has been quite neglected upstream since months/years)
[19:46] <hggdh> actually you should say that almost nobody but pedro is working on the evo bugs
[19:46] <hggdh> (in other words... help is welcome ;-)
[19:47] <pedro_> berdario, they are quite responsive
[19:47] <pedro_> i usually get a answer to bugs i've filed there
[19:47] <pedro_> it takes time to fix those, yes, but at least you're getting a response
[19:48] <pedro_> they work on things like crashes first and then fix some other important bugs
[19:48] <berdario> yes, but I installed natty only very recently... I find it difficult to get more involved with bug triaging :P (besides, now I don't use evolution anymore)
[19:48] <berdario> yes
[19:49] <berdario> I remember also reporting another (actually, more than 1) bugs about evolution
[19:49] <berdario> unfortunately I got stuck when trying to get a valgrind log
[19:49] <berdario> (valgrind itself was crashing... talk about yak-shaving )
[19:49] <pedro_> heh running evo in valgrind that's really painful :-P
[19:49] <berdario> I was thinking...
[19:50] <berdario> all the hardware bugs *should* have an "hardware" tag, right?
[19:50] <berdario> I mean... bugs depending on some particular kernel module
[19:51] <berdario> (I'm just brainstorming)
[19:52] <berdario> nope... I was just thinking that maybe that script that hggdh was talking about... could be improved to skip certain kind of bugs, given some tags that these bugs have
[19:53] <berdario> but by looking at 3/4 old bugs... I don't see enough meaningful tags for this purpose
[19:54] <brendand> hggdh - did do
[19:55] <veger> bug 411528 reports a problem with manpages, I tried to reproduce it by running mandb -c and I do get some problems, but not the described problem with the evolution manpage. Should I set the bug to FixReleased as it seems to be fixed along the route (the report is quite old)
[19:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 411528 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution bad symlink in man1 (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411528
[19:56] <hggdh> berdario, not really for the hardware tag -- it would not mean much, given that most of the kernel bugs we have deal with haradware
[19:57] <hggdh> and... for the record... last time I ran evo under valgrind... it took 15 min for evo to finish initialising
[19:57] <berdario> hggdh: yes, and obviously the kernel should be unrelated to the bugs affecting evolutin
[19:57] <hggdh> :-)
[19:58] <berdario> afk for dinner
[19:58] <charlie-tca> veger: without knowing when it was fix released, unless you are using Oneiric, close it as invalid with a comment that it is fixed by an unknown fix
[19:59] <charlie-tca> veger: this one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Bugs%20resolved%20after%20update%20or%20config%20change
[20:00] <veger> charlie-tca: thanks, I will do that
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping with bugs. It really is appreciated!
[20:02] <veger> no problem, it is kinda fun and this bugday I (finally) had time to join
[20:04] <JoshuaL> Someone who can take a look at bug 780479, its importance is high and the reporter wonders if there are any updates
[20:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 780479 in ubuntu "missing debug symbols for hardy (affects: 1) (heat: 166)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780479
[20:05] <dingurt> so what is this channel for, exactly?
[20:06] <JoshuaL> dingurt, bug triaging
[20:06] <hggdh> dingurt, helping people work on bugs (procedures, processes, etc)
[20:10] <Ampelbein> JoshuaL: I don't know who is responsible for ddebs.ubuntu.com, maybe try asking pitti or cjwatson?
[20:10] <JoshuaL> Ampelbein, k
[20:13] <braiam> is the bug 593436 informative?
[20:13] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 593436 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) "12-hour clock not available in Latin Spanish locale (affects: 4) (heat: 31)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593436
[20:14] <braiam> s/informative/enough informative
[20:16] <dingurt> ah, ok... thanks.
[21:06] <kille3> Ummm, how should I report a strange bug: When installing Ubuntu/Lubuntu (those I have tested) to HP G62 Laptop and the wlan is set off from manual button in keyboard, installation will freeze to start. If you install using non graphical alternate install cd, Ubuntu will freeze to logo (as when you try to install Ubuntu from cd/usb stick). What information I should mention and how I can be sure the bug is not found by other?
[21:27] <njin> kille3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity/+bug/766292
[21:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 766292 in casper (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "natty not starting with ati card (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[21:29] <njin> kille3: or choose  http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=site%3Abugs.launchpad.net+evolution+window+too+large&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#hl=it&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&sa=X&ei=pPHnTcmiK4-3tgfiut26Cg&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQBSgA&q=site%3Abugs.launchpad.net+hp+62&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c4ea062e8ae53d28&biw=1366&bih=649
[21:30] <njin> kille3: sorry this is right  http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=site%3Abugs.launchpad.net+evolution+window+too+large&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#sclient=psy&hl=it&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&source=hp&q=site:bugs.launchpad.net+hp+62&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=site:bugs.launchpad.net+hp+62&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c4ea062e8ae53d28&biw=1366&bih=649
[21:33] <kille3> There seems not to be reported my bug. I have integrated graphic card. Or if those who have problems with ati card are blaming the wrong? Maybe they have set the wlan off too? Once you have installed and ran ubuntu you can install some drivers that fixes the problem...
[21:35] <kille3> I even tested "my wlan theory", I did: 1. Run Ubuntu before installing the driver 2. Turn wlan off -->  Ubuntu crashed.


[04:53] <Guest35> I'm trying to install 22.04 LTS server on a hard drive with a previously installed OS on it (which I want to overwrite). In the guided storage config screen, I select "Use an entire disk" and "Set up this disk as an LVM group". On the next screen, the installer says it will create three mount points (/, /boot, /boot/efi) with sizes 54.367G, 2.000G,
[04:53] <Guest35> and 1.049G respectively. Under Available Devices, it shows ubuntu-vg (new) using 108.734G and then free space taking 54.367G. My entire drive is 120 GB. Shouldn't the ubuntu-vg take up the entire disk? Is it not doing so because of the pre-existing OS on the drive?
[04:54] <rbox> if you're worried dabout the partitoins that already exist, then delete them
[04:54] <Guest35> my goal is to make sure my previous data is overwritten and I start with a "fresh install"
[04:55] <Guest35> rbox, under "Used Devices", under my disk label (Samsung_SSD_840_EVO_120GB), it shows 3 partitions, but they all say "new", does that mean I should be good?
[04:56] <rbox> no clue
[04:56] <rbox> but like i said, if you are worried, just delete them yourself
[04:57] <Guest35> rbox, thanks, should i format as ext4?
[04:58] <rbox> format what
[04:58] <Guest35> after removing the partitions, the drive, I guess
[04:58] <Guest35> sorry I'm a noob
[04:59] <rbox> step 1 delete the partitions
[04:59] <rbox> step 2 profit
[04:59] <rbox> there is nothing else
[05:00] <Guest35> ok I try to delete a partition and it says "Cannot delete a single partition from a device that already has partitions."
[05:08] <toddc> Guest35:  assuming you boot to ubuntu and selcted try ubuntu then open gparted then delete see https://linuxhint.com/gparted_ubuntu/
[05:35] <hiya> Suddenly I cannot click any where in right most upper corner of any snap apps
[05:35] <hiya> if I make them small and drag them to left then I can click on those apps
[05:35] <hiya> but when maximized I cannot
[05:35] <hiya> Did you ever face such issue?
[05:39] <hiya> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2018290
[05:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2012388 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "X11 window (usually AnyDesk) at top-right of the screen is invisible and steals mouse clicks" [High, Confirmed] [duplicate: 2018290]
[05:39] <hiya> `this bug
[05:48] <Guest35> When installing 22.04 LTS, my installation just says at "curtin command in-target" and doesn't go beyond that. I've waited 20 minutes already.
[05:50] <hiya> Guest35: Did you make a USB?
[05:54] <Guest35> hiya, yes, installing from a USB
[05:55] <Guest35> i set up the installer, update to latest installer, get all the way to the end where its installing after asking for user name and password and enabling SSH, and then just stays stuck at that line
[05:55] <Guest35> hiya^
[06:32] <DumbLDoor> Hi all! I need some help with an old AMD Radeon on 23.04
[06:35] <DumbLDoor> Hello!?
[10:14] <bluf0x> hi, on Ubuntu 22.04 is it possible to use add-apt-repository with the signed-by parameter, such as add-apt-repository 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/key.gpg] https://repo.com/repo jammy contrib' ?  or is the signed-by no longer supported?
[10:15] <bluf0x> for add-apt-repository
[11:15] <Slartibart> After updating some packages, linux-firmware or something, Ubuntu no longer boots. The last line - out of 32 - is '---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) ]---', but I guess that line alone doesn't give much?
[11:16] <Slartibart> Is there a packages updated history or something, where I can check what the name of the package(s?) was?
[11:33] <orangepi> hi
[11:33] <orangepi> I am new
[11:33] <weedmic> welcome - have you an issue/problem?
[11:34] <Slartibart> https://pastebin.com/j7XK2fG4 <-- That's the full dump I get now when trying to boot Ubuntu, minus the times to the left, of course.
[11:35] <Beronia> hi
[11:35] <Slartibart> Dual boot machine with Windows, it works just fine
[11:36] <Beronia> i am new
[11:36] <Beronia> hello?
[11:36] <Beronia> bye
[12:13] <bluf0x> Hi, please can someone assist? im trying to add a repo that includes [arch=amd64 signed-by=/...], it adds successfully using echo and it updates successfuly using apt update, however the problem is that this repo does NOT show under Software & Updates > Other Software.  The only time it reflects correctly is if i remove the "signed-by" parameter within the .list file.  I also cannot add a repo via the Software & Updates > Other Software GUI, if i
[12:13] <bluf0x> include the signed-by parameter, its still greyed out and doesnt allow me to add it.
[12:13] <bluf0x> Is there an existing issue with the Software & Updates GUI ?  To reproduce the issue, you can try adding a repo that includes the signed-by parameter, even if you dont put arch=amd64, it STILL wont show up in the GUI.
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:14] <bluf0x> this is for Ubuntu 22.04
[12:19] <ravage> bluf0x: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1987353
[12:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1986513 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Software & Updates doesn't handle sources files properly when an entry has options" [Undecided, Confirmed] [duplicate: 1987353]
[12:19] <ravage> or better https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1986513
[12:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1986513 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Software & Updates doesn't handle sources files properly when an entry has options" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[12:22] <bluf0x> @ravage, ah thank you for that, for some reason the launchpad bugs dont show up on any web search.  Its funny that this bug has not been fixed yet almost 1 year later.
[12:23] <weedmic> I don't understand enough about the goal to offer anything useful bluf0x
[12:28] <bluf0x> ravage, do you know if this bug will get fixed in jammy?
[12:29] <ravage> No idea
[12:29] <ravage> Mark yourself as affected
[12:30] <ravage> And hope for the best
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> bluf0x: a good practice to speedup bug solving, is marking yourself affected and find others to do the same, then do some tests yourself and keep the bug active/alive
[12:39] <bluf0x> lotuspsychje, so if only a few people are affected, does the bug fixing get ignored? is that why it takes months and years for launchpad to fix a bug, because not enough users mark themselves as affected?
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> bluf0x: there are several reasons why bugs dont get solved right away, it can depends on the dev(s) of the packages aswell or some bugs need to get solved upstream too
[12:41] <bluf0x> thank you lotuspsychje
[13:36] <McParen> hey, does anybody know why there is no ubuntu package for the IUP GUI library? is it just too obscure or was there a technical reason?
[13:39] <webchat47> hi,  on Ubuntu 23.04: the latest generic kernels (6.2.0-23 and 6.2.0-24) are not booting here, while the 6.2.0-20 is still working just fine. Is this something others have been experiencing, or something I'm missing ? -- by "not booting" I mean it freezes just after initramfs is loaded by grub, nothing is printed out. I posted the question in
[13:39] <webchat47> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/707181  as well.
[13:55] <hid3> Greetings everyone. Does 'unattended-upgrades' run on daily basis or does it run only on system shutdown? Is there any way to check that?
[13:55] <hid3> 22.04 LTS, obviously
[14:14] <ppw> there is a way to check, but I don't know off the top of my head. likely in /etc/apt
[14:15] <ppw>  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[14:16] <ppw> or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades
[14:18] <hid3> yeah, checked those files, all seems to be set up just the way I need
[14:18] <hid3> however, I'm not sure if there is a mechanism which launches it
[14:18] <hid3> e.g. cron or so
[14:19] <hid3> (there doesn't seem to be any cron job for it)
[14:19] <ppw> cron? why do you think it uses cron?
[14:20] <ppw> ubuntu uses systemd, and systemd uses timers
[14:20] <hid3> ah
[14:20] <hid3> yeah, there seeems to exist some apt related times
[14:20] <hid3> *timers
[14:20] <hid3> I guess I just need to wait and observe the logs
[14:21] <ppw> cat /var/log/apt/history.log
[14:21] <hid3> and cron is still something what exist and maany things use it :)
[14:21] <ppw> at least that's how it's set up in debian
[14:21] <ppw> not typically
[14:22] <ppw> if it does, it's likely set up via anacron, which, when used with systemd, very likely just sets up systemd timers
[14:26] <hid3> I'm planning to implement some cron jobs (cron daily, weekly, monthly) to do some system maintenance, downloading, backuping etc. Since I have a farm of VMs residing in one physical machine, I guess I should consider switching to anacron instead, in order to randomise start times of those scripts too avoid crowding the physical host resources instantly, at the same time. Or am I wrong with this assumption?
[14:27] <leftyfb> hid3: look into systemd timers
[14:29] <hid3> cron scripts are easier to set up. I just place the required script into /etc/cron.[daily|weekly|monthly] dir and done with that. With timer, I need to have that script placed elsewhere plus configure a .timer file
[14:29] <hid3> what advantages of timers am I missing?
[14:29] <ppw> if you really want to use cron/anacron, then check out systemd-cron.
[14:30] <leftyfb> hid3: systemd service/timers gives you more options and control. It's also the modern way to run timed jobs.
[14:31] <hid3> not a problem for me to configure the .timer file, just wanted to know the advantages of it. Alright, will consider all the options
[15:46] <tweak> hello. i am trying to get my sound card working with this laptop. Sound works, the LED mute button light is not. i have 2 listed audio hardware devices apparently, my lspci is pasted here -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QCpTSy8Bdp/   how can i set the apropriate kernal module?
[15:47] <Slartibart> Can anyone that knows Ubuntu boot errors interpret this text dump? https://pastebin.com/j7XK2fG4
[15:48] <tweak> Slartibart: Is this a new install or previously worked?
[15:49] <tweak> Slartibart: and which version of Ubuntu? this is actually an old bug. updating to the most recent release should resolve it
[15:52] <Slartibart> tweak: I'm not sure which version of Ubuntu, should be at least 22.10 I think, though probably not 23.04. Does that match the bug?
[15:53] <tweak> Slartibart: no, it doesn't. That was a very old bug from kernal 5.
[15:54] <tweak> Slartibart: is this a new install or you didn't always get these bugs?
[15:57] <Slartibart> tweak: It appeared very recently, like yesterday, I updated some hardware related packages that ubuntu software updater said had newer versions. (Is there a log or something where recently installed package names are listed?) Yes, the install is using version 6.something of the kernel. It's not a new install, it's possible it's been used since kernel v5.
[15:58] <EriC^^> Slartibart: hold shift to get grub when you boot the pc, go to advanced, then select an older kernel to boot
[15:58] <EriC^^> if it boots from there please type "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link
[15:58] <tweak> Slartibart: you can do     grep " install " /var/log/dpkg.log
[16:02] <Slartibart> Thanks, on it, brb
[16:30] <ray_> mv: cannot stat '/home/ray/dev/linux-6.2.0/debian/build/tools-perarch/tools/bpf/bpftool/vmlinux': No such file or directory
[16:30] <ray_> make: *** [debian/rules.d/2-binary-arch.mk:745: /home/ray/dev/linux-6.2.0/debian/stamps/stamp-build-perarch] Error 1
[16:30] <ray_> any idea what to do ?
[16:30] <ray_> compiling kernel
[16:30] <ray_> 23.02
[16:31] <ray_> 23.04*
[16:31] <ray_> kernel 6.2.0-24-generic
[16:32] <leftyfb> ray_: why are you trying to compile you're own kernel?
[16:33] <ray_> for fun, to learn more and hopefully get a job doing kernel stuff
[16:36] <iskm> did you look over at the linux from scratch project?
[16:38] <orangepi> WHO USES THIS
[16:38] <Bombo> ray_: there probably was an error before
[16:39] <ray_> yes I concluded it would take a while to build from scratch so thought I would first compile. compiled the generic kernel and was now compiling the ubuntu mainline kernel :iskm
[16:39] <ray_> and I guess I'll just go lfs route
[16:40] <ray_> :Bombo ty will diagnose
[16:41] <Thermoriax> Did ubuntu ever get around to making the installer play nice with manual partitioning and full-disk encryption?
[16:47] <leftyfb> Thermoriax: you could try it
[16:48] <Thermoriax> lol, I'll take that as 'no'.
[17:16] <jhave> Hello
[17:17] <jhave> I try ro use traceroute on WSL2 and a VM both with same resut, why do its not use PTR records ?
[17:17] <jhave> its 22.04
[17:17] <rbox> what?
[17:46] <rfm> jhave, it probably is doing lookups but there is no ptr record for the IP (can't remember how long since I saw one.)  try "host <ip>" on some of them to see.
[17:59] <Bardon> Hello, my grandma uses ubuntu. I have remote ssh access to her laptop. What tool can I use to see her screen and move her mouse?
[18:01] <ravage> Bardon: install rustdesk via ssh. open it and she tells you the ID and password displayed
[18:01] <rbox> Bardon: x11vnc
[18:02] <Bardon> rbox: I thought vnc would open a new graphical session, but I couldn't interact with what my grandma sees. Is it not the case?
[18:02] <Bardon> ravage: Will she have to tell me the code each time?
[18:03] <rbox> Bardon: i dindt say 'vnc' i said 'x11vnc'
[18:03] <ravage> yes i think so. maybe there is a way for a persistent login but i never tried that
[18:03] <Bardon> rbox: Ah sorry I thought it was the same
[18:03] <Bardon> ravage: Ok
[18:04] <rbox> why would i t ype in 3 extra letters!?
[18:04] <DumbLDoor> Hi all! I need some help with AMD Radeon 6900 drivers on 23.04
[18:06] <Bardon> I'll check out x11vnc since it's in the official repos
[18:06] <Bardon> Thanks guys! See you
[18:07] <rfm> jhave, also interestingly the traceroute from the inetutils-traceroute package is different from the traceroute package, and doesn't do lookups by default, need to supply --resolve-hostnames ...
[18:35] <alkisg1> Bardon: you'll need to export DISPLAY/XAUTHORITY to access an existing display with x11vnc; and to do a port forwarding over ssh
[18:39] <DumbLDoor> [AMD/ATI] Cayman PRO [Radeon HD 6950] on 23.04 anyone?
[18:55] <oerheks> Radeon HD 6950 .. shouldwork OOTB ?
[18:55] <oerheks>  sudo lshw -c video
[18:56] <oerheks> driver=radeon
[19:08] <DumbLDoor> Hi! Can anyone help me with AMD drivers on Ubuntu 23.04
[19:09] <oerheks> Radeon HD 6950 .. shouldwork OOTB ?
[19:09] <oerheks>  sudo lshw -c video # would show driver=radeon
[19:11] <oerheks> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lunar/man4/radeon.4.html it is in the list
[19:12] <oerheks> oh gone already..
[20:25] <Slartibart> EriC^^, tweak: Sorry for the late reply. I guess I should still "vent" my answer though. Ubuntu was booting from 6.2.0-1007-lowlatency, when I moved back to 6.2.0-24-generic things started working again :). I think the initial symbol errors still come up, but I guess they're not fatal errors. Thanks for helping!
[21:32] <DumbLDoor> Back now. sorry @oerheks
[21:36] <DumbLDoor> Yes, it does. But all of a sudden, i see a truncated display with max/suggested resolution of 1920 x 1080
[21:39] <DumbLDoor> I tried amdgpu-install too but it does not have 23.04 support, frozen at jammy
[21:39] <oerheks> that card only runs openradeon
[21:39] <oerheks> not amd-gpu and amd-gpu-pro
[21:40] <oerheks> try to reset your monitor, with its own menu to factory defaults
[21:42] <DumbLDoor> @oerheks - that is the 1st thing I tried
[21:56] <riaan> Good day all. Can someone explain why does Kernel 6.0 and above rejects the nvidia GPU in Ubuntu
[21:57] <jeremy31> What Ubuntu version?
[21:59] <tekisui> i switched to xorg
[21:59] <tekisui> nouveau driver
[22:00] <tekisui> nvidia is not open source, and old cards may not be well suported
[22:05] <DumbLDoor> tried everything on the monitor and pc settings, still the display is only a fraction of the screen at all resolutions.
[22:06] <DumbLDoor> HDMI/PC etc. There is no option to select Aspect ratio.
[22:09] <jhutchins> Fortunately, nvidia provides a list of the cards specifically supported by each version of their drivers.
[22:10] <DumbLDoor> Any other idea on Radeon 6900 /Viewsonic/23.04 ?
[22:18] <DumbLDoor> The correct technical term for the problem is "underscan"
[22:27] <Jym> Upon startup, I keep getting a "unexpected crash do you want to report" almost every single time. I only have the SEND / DONT SEND option, I can't copy the actual error report. If left on overnight, in the morning it's just locked up to a black screen. and then just CTRL+ALT+F1 sudo reboot to get back. This isn't an issue on v18. Any thoughts?
[22:28] <jeremy31> Ubuntu 18.04?
[22:28] <leftyfb> Jym: what release of ubuntu are you on? (there's no such thing as "v18". There is only 18.04 which is no longer supported)
[22:31] <oerheks> to look at the bugreport;  xdg-open https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)
[22:32] <Jym> leftyfb 22.04, yes 18.04 v18xx
[22:32] <leftyfb> Jym: the dumps are in /var/crash/
[22:33] <leftyfb> that should give you an idea of what the issue is that caused the crash report to come up and more than likely, no GUI today
[22:34] <Jym> Ok, will check. iirc it's something xorg'ish related. Happens on both a Dell and thinkpad with anything v20 and above
[22:35] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | Jym
[22:35] <Jym> Mind you these machines are 5+ years old
[22:35] <Metamorphosis> Can someone suggest some partition sizes? I have 500 GB hdd and 4 GB ram.  I am not sure how much to allocate for Swap, Root, Home etc.
[22:35] <leftyfb> Metamorphosis: 8GB for swap, the rest for /   that's it
[22:36] <Jym> ubottu ty, This has been occuring since v20xx, v22xx, only v18xx has been stable
[22:36] <leftyfb> though, I'm pretty sure if you just keep all the defaults, Ubuntu will take care of everything just fine
[22:36] <oerheks> ubuntu uses standard one partition with swapfile. conveniant, so you never run out of space in /root
[22:37] <Jym> ...all are LTS
[22:37] <Metamorphosis> thank you guys. I want to install another distro as well. So I prefer to keep a separate home partition.
[22:38] <leftyfb> Metamorphosis: that might not work out the way you think
[22:38] <Metamorphosis> Yeah the last time I installed Ubuntu the latest version was 11.04
[22:39] <leftyfb> Metamorphosis: sharing /home between distros might not work out the way you think. Distro's tend to use different versions of software and desktop environments with different configs
[22:40] <oerheks> create a shared data partition. say 100 gb
[22:40] <leftyfb> war: please turn that off
[22:44] <DumbLDoor> Any other ideas on 23.04 / radeon 6900 underscan with HDMI?
[22:49] <DumbLDoor> is this an HDMI specific problem, will switching to VGA help?
[22:52] <DumbLDoor> never mind, I will try on my own. ty
[23:01] <Metamorphosis> Thanks a lot guys.


[09:49] <rmg51> Morning
[10:14] <JonathanD> morning.
[10:31] <rmg51> o/
[10:33] <InHisName> yawwn, g'mawnin'
[10:33] <JonathanD> hey rmg51, InHisName
[14:37] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[14:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> And good bacon to you as well
[14:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> now speaking of bacon
[14:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm going to make some
[16:14] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: if you ever watched Charlotte's Web ( or read it) did you root for the SmokeHouse ? or Wilbur ?
[16:14] <SamuraiAlba> SmokeHouse
[18:19] <InHisName> In case you missed the book or movie, the Pig (Wilbur) won.  Smokehouse - 0    --- the most interesting one was a spider that could spell (copy) english words.
[18:51] <Joe_CoT> I rooted for the spider, she was hot
[18:51] <Joe_CoT> I was so sad when she died
[18:56] <InHisName> me 2
[20:12] <rhpot1991> spoilers
[20:23] <n2diy>  I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10, and i lost some of my system sounds. Thunderbird doesn't beep, or play a .wav when I receive e-mail, xchat-gnome doesn't beep when someone uses my nick, but korganizer's calendar alarm beep works, and I can play .wav files when I double click them, ideas?
[22:09] <InHisName> Wierd, I lost all of my sounds and had to reinstall my drivers each upgrade.
[22:27] <JonathanD> firefox is going insane.


[15:15] <adam_g> bkerensa, thanks for birthday wishes. just saw it. offline in japan for the last week
[16:41] <blkperl> slangasek: kees_: a wild tamarack appears
[17:24] <kees_> tamarack: hi!
[17:25] <tamarack> Hello
[22:09] <slangasek> blkperl: a... Trusty Tamarack?
[23:00] <c_smith_away> slangasek, do you know who was from Linbit in the LoCo? trying to get back to him to let him ask the question he had
[23:03] <slangasek> hum
[23:03] <slangasek> I don't remember now who was at Linbit
[23:08] <blkperl> Cooper?
[23:22] <c_smith_away> slangasek, guess I'll have to look in the info IRC provides
[23:22] <c_smith_away> slangasek, just found it, in case you're wondering, it's Brian_H
[23:23] <slangasek> ah :)
[23:24]  * c_smith_away watches a funny vid about how the latest release of Pear OS fails utterly at being decent.
[23:24] <c_smith_away> funny as heck.
[23:28] <slangasek> ... Pear OS?
[23:33] <c_smith_away> a crappy imitation of Mac OSes
[23:33] <c_smith_away> it's based on Ubuntu and Elementary, but still pretty crappy.
[23:33] <c_smith_away> the latest release is especially bug ridden.


[03:47] <UBuxuBU> hi
[18:26] <pac> Having big problems mounting samba-shares with fstab after upgrade to latest stable lubuntu release.. any ideas? Dont get any writeaccess
[18:26] <pac> Also cant use "uid=ShareUserName" anynmore
[18:26] <holstein> are all machines linux?
[18:26] <pac> yes
[18:27] <pac> works perfectly on my other machines that are still not updated
[18:27] <holstein> updated to what?
[18:27] <pac> lates lubuntu released
[18:27] <holstein> 15.04? or, a more recent kernel? or samba version?
[18:28] <pac> the latest download on lubuntu.net, where do I check the samba version and dist-version?
[18:28] <holstein> i think, i would try, even if i had to, the live iso for 15.04, if thats what you are using, main ubuntu
[18:28] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu, so, you could find a larger group for support in #ubuntu that way
[18:28] <bioterror> if all machines are GNU/Linux, one could wonder why not NFS?-)
[18:29] <holstein> if thats a known issue, i would expect a bug report, or, a work around.. and you may find that in #ubuntu.. where-as, i dont think folks here would be using samba linux to linux, typically
[18:29] <pac> I could try,, just wanted to hear with you if there has been major changes to how to setup the fstab
[18:29] <pac> all machine are linux, but from beginning i was on windows, and still sometimes i need to boot into windows
[18:29] <holstein> not that im aware of.. but, if there are changes to fstab, that would happen upstream..
[18:30] <pac> is it possible to see what version of fstab is installed?
[18:31] <holstein> if i want to know what version of packages i have installed are, i just use a package manager, like synaptic.. its a handy GUI one that will show that information
[18:32] <pac> ok. Also, last question then I will try #ubuntu channel, does this say you anything;
[18:32] <pac> [ 2671.022677] Status code returned 0xc000006d NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE [ 2671.022688] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13 [ 2671.022850] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13
[18:34] <holstein> there are samba specific support avenues.. someone there might be able to just rattle something off from seeing that
[18:34] <pac> ok thanks
[18:34] <holstein> personally, i would seperate it out.. i would see if i have permissions sorted, independently from fstab config
[18:35] <pac> I get write protection in the mounted folder with sudo, this should mean that the mount is OK, but something in my local filesystem locking normal user from writing?
[18:36] <pac> I mean I dont get write protection as sudo
[18:36] <pac> mkdir /mnt/share/test does not work, sudo mkdir /mnt/share/test does work
[18:36] <holstein> id say,  you probably have issues other than fstab, then.. and may just have something else broken
[18:36] <pac> ok
[18:37] <holstein> is this an upgrade? are you using 15.04?
[18:39] <pac> I did a fresh install 15.04
[18:47] <pac> Solved it finally,, I was not owner of the local folder. Changed it with chown, and now my original fstab-line is working
[18:48] <pac> I think it should work anyway after I did chmod 0777 on the mounted folder, but it didn't
[18:58] <TITI> Hi
[18:59] <TITI> Bye
[21:54] <do123> how can i upgrade a installtion of 14.04 to 15.04 on command line?
[22:24] <Unit193> do123: You may have to modify /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, but do-release-upgrade
[22:25] <Unit193> Though of course you'll have to jump a few times, as 15.04 isn't an LTS.
[22:27] <do123> Unit193: my problem are artefacts at video playback that i dont have on 15.04
[22:28] <do123> Unit193: i already upgraded the kernel manually to 4.1.6 and added the enders xorg ppa that upgraded my mesa and some other parts.
[22:28] <do123> Unit193: any idea on what that artefacts could base on?
[22:29] <do123> the come when playing video and jumping inside the video file
[22:30] <do123> when i change the audio stream language while playing i could get into a situation where it create such artefacts every few seconds.
[22:30] <do123> on what kind of software does that problem depend on?
[22:32] <Unit193> do123: There's the enablement stack you could use,  apt-cache search vivid  to see some of the metas you'd pick up.
[22:35] <do123> do123: okay, thanks so far. would try that