[05:31] <didrocks> hello
[05:57] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[06:00] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:52] <marcustomlinson> good morning didrocks and duflu
[07:52] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[07:55] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning Laney
[08:04] <Laney> hey didrocks
[08:05] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:06] <marcustomlinson> morning Laney
[08:06] <Laney> wb marcustomlinson
[08:06] <Laney> good time off?
[08:06] <marcustomlinson> thanks :) Yeah it was
[08:07] <marcustomlinson> nothing too fancy, just some family time, exploring edges of the city I haven't
[08:08] <willcooke> morning all
[08:11] <marcustomlinson> hey willcooke
[08:13] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:15]  * Laney nods willcooke
[08:21] <Laney> Trevinho: tracker> probably, but the answer depends what is in it / if it impacts things which depend on it / how risky it is
[08:25] <Laney> Wimpress: why did that fix it :(
[08:26] <Wimpress> ikr
[08:26] <Wimpress> confused.com
[08:26] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[08:27] <Laney> Colin would probably know best if you cared to bother him
[08:27] <Laney> and someone said Kylin had the same problem - did you notify them by any chance?
[08:27] <Laney> hi :>
[08:27] <Laney> also, not just why did that fix it, but what changed to break it?
[08:27] <Laney> also why the F did the ubuntu daily iso fail to build
[08:27] <Laney> renamed 'chroot/var/lib/snapd/seed/gnome-calculator_406.snap' -> 'chroot/var/lib/snapd/seed/snaps/gnome-calculator_406.snap'
[08:28] <Laney> error: cannot validate seed:
[08:28] <Laney> - cannot use snap "gnome-calculator": default provider "gtk-common-themes" is missing
[08:28] <Laney> - cannot use snap "gnome-calculator": default provider "gtk-common-themes" is missing
[08:28] <Laney> - cannot use snap "gnome-calculator": default provider "gtk-common-themes" is missing
[08:48] <Trevinho> Haloa!
[08:49] <Trevinho> Laney: hey ok per tracker, I'll do some further testing, but IMHO better now than next cycle
[08:50]  * Laney shrugs
[08:50] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[08:50] <Laney> it's like i said
[08:50] <Laney> hi Trevinho
[08:58] <duflu> Morning Laney, Wimpress, Trevinho
[08:58] <Trevinho> hi didrocks and duflu
[09:07] <Laney> mvo: hey, got a sec? want to chat about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/439916827/buildlog_ubuntu_eoan_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:07] <Laney> this is because of that code you added that validates the seed is valid after every snap is seeded, isn't it?
[09:08] <Laney> did you beef up the validator in the new snapd or something?
[09:08] <Laney> (also, sorry, hi - how rude of me)
[09:16] <clobrano> hey all 0/
[09:20] <duflu> Hi clobrano
[09:20] <clobrano> hi duflu
[09:20] <Laney> morning duflu clobrano
[09:21] <duflu> Laney, (no rush, I don't want to stress you but) could you please help to triage bug 1841915 ?
[09:21] <duflu> Some time
[09:22] <clobrano> about https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/1477, we discussed and made some proposals for a fix
[09:22] <clobrano> mine are in this PR https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/pull/1478, but there's also one from Frederik here https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/1477#issuecomment-526811769
[09:22] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 1477 in yaru "The headerbar buttons lack of contrast compared to the background" [Design, Open]
[09:22] <gitbot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 1478 in yaru "ubuntu-colors: Lighten headerbar up" [Open]
[09:22] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 1477 in yaru "The headerbar buttons lack of contrast compared to the background" [Design, Open]
[09:23] <Laney> duflu: maybe later, am trying to unbreak ISO image builds now
[09:23] <duflu> No problem
[09:24] <duflu> Not even today is fine
[09:24] <clobrano> anyone that finds current headerbar buttons hard to spot, please have a look :)
[09:24] <Laney> if you think this is caused by the systemd --user stuff, you can get them to turn GDM's verbosity up and attach a journal
[09:24] <duflu> Some of them stand out too much IMHO. But you will never please everyone at the same time
[09:24] <Laney> I did see that bug though, and I can log out OK here on Wayland
[09:25]  * duflu tries that
[09:38] <mvo> Laney: I had/have a bunch of meetings, we can talk in ~30min maybe?
[09:38] <Laney> mvo: sure, just ping me
[09:48] <clobrano> duflu: all the buttons have the same design, but I guess that the bigger ones (text-buttons) might be indeed more visible due to the size. Pictures might be misleading though, if possible would be great to testing on a real machine :)
[09:48]  * duflu looks again
[09:50] <duflu> clobrano, yeah mostly was my imagination. And a little bit is the inconsistency with the window buttons (minimize, maximize, close)
[09:50] <duflu> But maybe that's a good thing
[09:52] <clobrano> duflu: indeed, those buttons kept the same flat design. Not sure what's better in this regard. I saw that upstream has them flat as well, so I thought it was fine
[09:52] <clobrano> duflu: thanks for the feedback btw :)
[09:53] <duflu> Another part of my confusion was that it doesn't register with my brain that the disabled buttons are disabled. They just look flat and still enabled
[09:54] <duflu> I don't think they are disabled /enough/
[09:54] <clobrano> duflu: any example to look at? Few applications have buttons on headerbar and I couldn't find one with disabled buttons
[09:54] <duflu> At least when viewed at around 100% sRGB
[09:54] <duflu> clobrano, Files (nautilus) window freshly opened
[09:55] <clobrano> duflu: ah the arrows
[09:55] <duflu> They look enabled and flat
[09:56]  * clobrano thinkering something
[09:56] <duflu> But I could easily be in the minority and change my opinion by tomorrow
[09:56] <clobrano> duflu: do you think it's because of the borders?
[09:56] <Laney> mvo: was thinking something like https://paste.debian.net/1098377/ (untested)
[09:56] <duflu> Yes both the borders and the arrows themselves are not sufficiently different colour
[09:57] <Laney> because otherwise the option seems to be to write a dependency solver :(
[09:57] <duflu> clobrano, what if you made disabled buttons the same colour as the borders?
[09:57] <duflu> The icons, not the fill
[09:58] <clobrano> I see
[10:01] <duflu> That way we avoid introducing 3D but it's more obvious what's not clickable
[10:03] <mvo> Laney: I had a bit of back and forth about this with the cpc team, they suggested this approach, I don't mind how its done but AIUI some plugins may add stuff after snap_preseed
[10:03] <mvo> Laney: sry for the trouble :/
[10:04] <Laney> mvo: that's why I went for this opt out approach, the other callsites will still do validation
[10:05] <Laney> maybe I should go take it up with cpc people then
[10:10] <clobrano> duflu: uhm, not sure it helps, a similar design is for active/toggled buttons
[10:10] <duflu> I forgot about those
[10:12] <mvo> Laney: yeah, I don't know enough about the subtleties  unfortunately to give good feedback on live-build (except that I find it hard to reason about it ;)
[10:16] <Laney> :) ok
[10:16] <clobrano> duflu: but, without/reducing border and transparentize label might be the solution
[10:17] <duflu> clobrano, actually yes. No or a light border would suggest the button is immovable
[10:18] <willcooke> clobrano, hey!  Sorry for the delay on that github thread, I was off on Friday.  Have commented now
[10:18] <clobrano> duflu: I agree, something like this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oOFUauOd/image.png
[10:19] <duflu> clobrano, yes!
[10:19] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[10:20] <clobrano> hi willcooke, thanks!
[10:22] <willcooke> hi duflu
[10:22] <willcooke> np clobrano
[10:36] <duflu> clobrano, I changed my mind. Lack of border is also inconsistent
[10:36] <duflu> But again feel free to ignore me. I need to start thinking about dinner
[10:47] <clobrano> duflu: okay, let's pause then :)
[10:48]  * duflu notices 18.04 handles disabled colours nicely, not counting all the stylistic differences
[15:32] <tkamppeter> I am trying to post a merge proposal for NM on Launchpad and if I fill "network-manager:master" as target branch it does not get accepted. What do I have to enter as target branch?
[15:33] <Laney> isn't it ubuntu/master?
[15:34] <tkamppeter> Tried it now and it does not work, too.
[15:34] <tkamppeter> I tried also origin/HEAD now and also does not work.
[15:36] <tkamppeter> The repo I want to merge is https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/network-manager/+git/network-manager  and the repo I want to merge into is https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+code?
[15:38] <Laney> I went to https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/network-manager/+git/network-manager/+ref/master/+register-merge, typed 'master' into the box and it created https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/network-manager/+git/network-manager/+merge/372157
[15:38] <Laney> that looks right doesn't it?
[15:38] <Laney> the repository you're targetting isn't the right one: that is the git-ubuntu one that we aren't using here
[16:02] <tkamppeter> Laney, thank you very much.
[16:04] <Laney> tkamppeter: going to delete that one I made, you can follow the same steps
[16:04] <Laney> so that it doesn't have my name on it ...
[16:07] <tkamppeter> Now it worked for me, https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/network-manager/+git/network-manager/+merge/372162
[16:07] <tkamppeter> Thank you very much.
[16:40] <Trevinho> Laney: would you have time to update sysprof to sysprof3? Or want me to do it? Since mutter doesn't support sysprof 3.32 anymore and having the ability to install the daemon (that should be system-wide) from repos would be nice :P
[16:43] <Laney> Trevinho: you can do it, but it's not a desktop priority since the package needs splitting into a library / -dev package / application before things can be linked with it
[16:43] <Trevinho> mh, I see
[16:43] <Trevinho> will see to do it in some free time
[16:46] <Laney> okies
[16:46] <Laney> I planned to do that split at some point
[16:46] <Laney> but there were more important things so far
[17:22] <willcooke> night all


[00:51] <mup> Bug #1900067 opened: subnet api endpoint missing 'description' in output <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900067>
[00:54] <mup> Bug #1900067 changed: subnet api endpoint missing 'description' in output <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900067>
[00:57] <mup> Bug #1900067 opened: subnet api endpoint missing 'description' in output <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900067>
[07:31] <mup> Bug #1899840 changed: MAAS fails to deploy HP DL380 Gen10 <MAAS:Invalid by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899840>
[07:34] <mup> Bug #1899840 opened: MAAS fails to deploy HP DL380 Gen10 <MAAS:Invalid by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899840>
[07:43] <mup> Bug #1899840 changed: MAAS fails to deploy HP DL380 Gen10 <MAAS:Invalid by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899840>
[14:07] <mup> Bug #1900146 opened: Deleting a batch of machines from the UI always shows "Deleting 0 of X machines" <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900146>
[14:10] <mup> Bug #1900146 changed: Deleting a batch of machines from the UI always shows "Deleting 0 of X machines" <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900146>
[14:22] <mup> Bug #1900146 opened: Deleting a batch of machines from the UI always shows "Deleting 0 of X machines" <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900146>
[14:25] <mup> Bug #1900146 changed: Deleting a batch of machines from the UI always shows "Deleting 0 of X machines" <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900146>
[14:28] <mup> Bug #1900146 opened: Deleting a batch of machines from the UI always shows "Deleting 0 of X machines" <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900146>
[19:28] <mup> Bug # changed: 1750688, 1883333, 1888536, 1890468, 1893112, 1893690, 1895037, 1895751, 1896179, 1896727, 1897996
[20:38] <mup> Bug #1898305 changed: Unable to build PPC64EL Snap <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1898305>


[08:16] <b508> t
[11:07] <TcoUpLoad> hi
[16:00] <lynxman> o/
[16:00] <hallyn> \o
[16:00] <utlemming> \o
[16:01] <arosales> Hello
[16:01] <m_3> o/
[16:01] <Daviey> o/
[16:01] <rbasak> o/
[16:01] <zul> hello
[16:01] <adam_g> \o
[16:01] <zul> whos running the meeting today?
[16:02] <utlemming> Well, I believe I'm running this shindig
[16:02] <Daviey> utlemming: i believe you
[16:02] <utlemming> #startmeeting
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[16:02] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <zul> oh good not me
[16:02] <utlemming> It doesn't look like there is anything to cover from the last meeting
[16:03] <utlemming> so we'll move on then
[16:03] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Precise Development
[16:03] <utlemming> Fearless Leader Daviey, what do you have for us?
[16:03] <Daviey> oh, hello
[16:03] <Daviey> Firstly, FF was last Thursday.
[16:04] <Daviey> Is there any undeclared features people need to land before release?
[16:04] <hallyn> define declared?
[16:04] <ScottK> There will be a postfix FFe for 2.9.
[16:04] <arosales> jamespage: and rbasak are working on openmpi 1.5
[16:04] <ScottK> lamont and I have already discussed it.
[16:04] <utlemming> I'm working on a cloud-image mirroring script
[16:04] <Daviey> ScottK: Oh, great. Anything exciting?
[16:05] <adam_g> Daviey: opnenstack introduced a new python dependency over the weekend that is not in main, python-iso8601
[16:05] <roaksoax> I'll have to file FFe for cobbler MIR and probably some other packages new upstream's
[16:05] <adam_g> (for nova + glance)
[16:05] <Daviey> arosales: is openmpi still ging to ship 1.4 and 1.5, or still investigating just switching?
[16:05] <Daviey> adam_g: *sigh*
[16:05] <jamespage> Daviey: decision on that in the next hour
[16:06] <arosales> Daviey: I think jamespage and rbasak were working on updating to 1.5
[16:06] <arosales> include the dependencies,
[16:06] <Daviey> adam_g: at least it is packaged!
[16:06] <Daviey> jamespage: cool
[16:06] <Daviey> shall we go through the bug states?
[16:06] <Daviey> arosales: cool
[16:06] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:06] <adam_g> Daviey: its very small, too. <150 LOC
[16:07] <Daviey> adam_g: should be simples.. :)
[16:07] <Daviey> bug 924739
[16:07] <Daviey> adam_g: were you looking at that?
[16:07] <ScottK> Daviey: usual new release of postfix.  The biggest change is a memcache client.
[16:08] <adam_g> Daviey: a bit, but haven't made any progres sinthe last week
[16:08] <Daviey> ScottK: well between you, lamont and a reliable upstream.. doesn;t concern too much :)
[16:08]  * ScottK nods
[16:08] <Daviey> adam_g: Are you able to investigate further before next tues?
[16:09] <roaksoax> adam_g: do you think a newer upstream of squid with improve things?
[16:09] <adam_g> Daviey: i can, but not certain how much progress i can make alone. would love to have help of anyone else interested
[16:09] <adam_g> roaksoax: not AFAIK. there are features not-yet ported to squid3 that cause config parsing to fail
[16:09] <Daviey> adam_g: Okay, if you drive it - we'll see who else can help.
[16:10] <adam_g> Daviey: k
[16:10] <Daviey> roaksoax is kinda snowed under right now.
[16:10] <roaksoax> adam_g: I can also help with that as I have a bug with the buckets which is supposedly fixed in a new upstream that is in debian unstable atm mand we might have to file FFe
[16:10] <SpamapS> o/
[16:10] <Daviey> bug 883988
[16:10] <Daviey> another for adam_g ? :)
[16:10] <adam_g> Daviey: unfortunately i missed the openstack project meeting where i'd like to bring that up, will do this week
[16:11] <Daviey> adam_g: tonight?
[16:11] <adam_g> Daviey: ah, yea
[16:11] <Daviey> bug 893926, assignee unassigned themselves.. It's an open bug for anyone to grab..
[16:11] <Daviey> (I'll take it if someone else doesn't)
[16:12] <Daviey> roaksoax: bug 911812 ?
[16:12] <Daviey> SpamapS: bug 914392 ?
[16:13] <SpamapS> Daviey: fix released! (marking as such)
[16:13] <Daviey> SpamapS: \o/
[16:13] <Daviey> zul: bug 923681
[16:13] <zul> should be fixed now...ill have to download an iso to test
[16:14] <Daviey> neat
[16:14] <roaksoax> Daviey: sorry, hanlde it now as I have pandbaboards to test with
[16:14] <Daviey> cool
[16:14] <Daviey> bug 925024 , hallyn ?
[16:15] <Daviey> bug 850443 , /me , not much progress.  Checking with an upstream depends if it has been fixed, awaiting feedback
 jjohansen ahs a fix
[16:16] <hallyn> He was waiting on other apparmor changes, but at this poitn I"m not sure that's appropriate any more
[16:16] <hallyn> Need to talk to him about it.
[16:16] <Daviey> hallyn: okay, can you check in with him if it is fixed in Precise?
[16:16] <Daviey> bug 928383 , adam_g / zul ?
[16:17] <hallyn> Daviey: it's not fixed in precise, pretty sure.  Just need to ask him to push separately
[16:17] <hallyn> (will do)
[16:17] <Daviey> hallyn: thanks!
[16:17] <Daviey> bug 928990 : smoser ?
[16:17] <zul> Daviey: "I've used 2012.1~e3-0ubuntu0~ppa1~oneiric1 version."
[16:18] <zul> but ill have a look
[16:18] <Daviey> thanks zul, what about  bug 929780 ?
[16:18] <smb> Daviey, not sure but I think smoser is supposed to be on vacation or so. At least probably not working
[16:18] <Daviey> smb: right!
[16:19] <Daviey> adam_g: bug 932466 ?
[16:19] <adam_g> Daviey: ah, just marked fixed released for ubuntu
[16:20] <Daviey> bug 932468 , /me , fix released - updated
[16:20] <Daviey> bug 875262 , SpamapS ?
[16:20] <Daviey> (Did php get updated?)
[16:21] <Daviey> bug 880339: roaksoax ?
[16:21] <zul> lookes like it
[16:21] <roaksoax> Daviey: have tried couple times cound't reproduce it
[16:21] <Daviey> zul: right, but is it still a bug? :) (PHP)
[16:21] <roaksoax> Daviey: but I have a new lead. will look further also this week too
[16:22] <SpamapS> Daviey: PHP did get updated
[16:22] <Daviey> roaksoax: Can you update the bug, and mark it incomplete pending more data?
[16:22] <SpamapS> Daviey: and the mysql apparmor profile was fixed, I think
[16:22] <Daviey> SpamapS: sweet
[16:22] <Daviey> bug 907197: zul ?
[16:22] <SpamapS> the PHP sqlite bug has a comment from me asking for those affected to test again
[16:23] <SpamapS> it got fixed in Debian actually
[16:23] <Daviey> zul: bug 879666 ( rbasak ?)
[16:24] <Daviey> SpamapS: good job!
[16:24] <rbasak> zul?
[16:24] <zul> Daviey: starting again on it this week
[16:24] <Daviey> is zul still alive?
[16:25] <zul> Daviey: barely
[16:25] <Daviey> zul: both of them? ^^
[16:25] <zul> i cant seem to reproduce the lxc one yet still
[16:25] <Daviey> ?
[16:25] <Daviey> zul: i don't follow.
[16:25] <Daviey> zul: ah!
[16:26] <Daviey> zul: Can you give it another crack this week?
[16:26] <Daviey> bug 918791: hallyn
[16:26] <hallyn> jwerner was looking at that?
[16:27] <Daviey> ah.. and he's not here :(
[16:27] <hallyn> if he wont 'have time i can take a day this week to dedicate to figuring it out.
[16:27] <Daviey> hallyn: Can you check in with him after this?
[16:27] <hallyn> ok
[16:28] <Daviey> bug 924375, smoser - wil check in with him when he is around
[16:28] <Daviey> bug 925024
[16:28] <hallyn> didn't we already talk about that?
[16:29] <Daviey> dupe, yeah
[16:29] <Daviey> utlemming: bug 926160 ?
[16:29] <SpamapS> Daviey: shouldn't we also check in on blueprints/topic-blueprints?
[16:29] <Daviey> SpamapS: Yes.
[16:30] <utlemming> Daveiy: no update, looks like we won't be fixing it as it is related to disk creation and not the images themselves.
[16:30] <Daviey> bug 928378: adam_g zul ?
[16:30] <zul> Daviey: ill take it
[16:30] <Daviey> utlemming: ah, can you mark it as such. :)
[16:31] <utlemming> yes sir
[16:31] <Daviey> zul: bug 931236 ?
[16:31] <zul> looked at it...no solution for it though
[16:31] <Daviey> bug 932800: adam_g ?
[16:31] <Daviey> zul: Hmm, really?
[16:31] <zul> Daviey: really
[16:31] <adam_g> Daviey: we can get the ca-certificates added this week for sure, befor next snapshot
[16:31] <Daviey> ok.
[16:32] <Daviey> rocking.
[16:32] <Daviey> bug 901881, seems an easy catch for this week aswell
[16:32] <Daviey> Any other busg that should be targeted ?
[16:32] <adam_g> Daviey: still blocked on the keystone MIR, but needed more now than before
[16:33] <Daviey> right
[16:33] <Daviey> Blueprints.
[16:33] <Daviey> SpamapS: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-automated-boot-testing , everything TODO to be postponed?
[16:34] <Daviey> jamespage: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cloud-image-testing same?
[16:34] <Daviey> (freecloud item to be postponed for sure, i guess)
[16:34] <SpamapS> Daviey: not at all. Its just been slow getting integrated into the test suite because they don't want more development done on it.
[16:35] <SpamapS> Daviey: I need to get w/ jamespage and get the changes I already developed added into the testing framework and then those will fall rapidly
[16:35] <Daviey> SpamapS: how is juju charm testing doing?
[16:35] <jamespage> Daviey: yep - I'll postpone that ietm
[16:36] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-juju-charm-testing
[16:36] <SpamapS> Daviey: spec seems stalled.. will have to revive it (set it aside for Feature Freeze)
[16:36] <Daviey> adam_g: is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-charms accurate ?
[16:36] <Daviey> SpamapS: cool
[16:37] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cfjuju , just postponed puppet items on behalf of lynxman
[16:37] <adam_g> Daviey: yes, tho i think POSTPONED'ing 'melange - charm needed if quantum is supported (tech preview)'
[16:37] <Daviey> SpamapS: Can you report how juju is shaping up?
[16:38] <Daviey> adam_g: make it so :)
[16:38] <SpamapS> Lots of bugs fixed. Subordinates are starting to land.
[16:38] <SpamapS> Still a giant pile of production limiting bugs.
[16:39] <SpamapS> But we will be working on some "real world" testing of juju+precise in the next few weeks.
[16:39] <Daviey> great!
[16:39] <Daviey> Hopefully they'll be some bitesize bugs everyone can work on :)
[16:39] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-ceph
[16:40] <Daviey> (being driven by kernel, smb?)
[16:40] <Daviey> or SpamapS ?
[16:40] <smb> huh?
[16:40] <Daviey> hallyn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-kvm-document-suggested-changes ?
[16:41] <Daviey> smb: there seems to be some ceph todo's assigned to the kernel team, are you/they aware?
[16:41] <smb> Daviey, no
[16:41] <Daviey> smb: rocking :)
[16:42] <Daviey> SpamapS: Is it something that can be postponed ?
[16:42] <Daviey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-powernap likely to be postponed?
[16:42] <Daviey> SpamapS: and/or https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-glusterfs-mir
[16:42] <SpamapS> Daviey: some of the ceph stuff will be postponed yes
[16:43] <roaksoax> Daviey: I;m postponing it and propiosing it to GSoC
[16:43] <Daviey> roaksoax: cool
[16:43] <SpamapS> Daviey: Not sure about glusterfs.
[16:43] <Daviey> SpamapS: can you update, and speak to smb about what needs to be done?
[16:43] <SpamapS> Daviey: with a LOW priority, its been pushed down a lot.
[16:43] <Daviey> SpamapS: lets table glusterfs for the meeting and work otu for next week.
[16:43] <Daviey> DONE
[16:43] <Daviey> sorry for overunnning..
[16:43] <Daviey> utlemming: ?
[16:43] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:43] <SpamapS> Daviey: I don't think there's anything for the kernel team to do for CEPH .. its more about QA and testing.
[16:44] <utlemming> Do we have any team events this week?
[16:44] <utlemming> I'll take that as a no...
[16:44] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:44] <hggdh> hi
[16:45] <utlemming> hggdh, rbasak: do either of you have an arm server updates?
[16:45] <rbasak> No updates
[16:45] <hggdh> nope
[16:45] <hallyn> Daviey: (sorry;  except for netcf everything on my blueprints is handle-able)
[16:45] <utlemming> Great...thank you gentlemen
[16:45] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:45] <utlemming> smb: hows the kernel?
[16:45] <Daviey> (hallyn: great)
[16:45] <smb> utlemming, Not too bad, thanks :)
[16:46] <smb> Well right now persuing some issue back in lucid with spinloack
[16:46] <hggdh> I am setting up persistent VMs for all supported Ubuntu releases in the QA lab. This could be used, later on, to test server SRUs
[16:46] <smb> trying to look into an issue smoser has brought up
[16:46] <hggdh> ..
[16:47] <smb> and something else I cannot remember right now
[16:47] <smb> (failing a bit on the mutlitasking part :-P)
[16:47] <smb> ..
[16:47] <smoser> smoser's interupts are high priority!
[16:47] <smoser> :)
[16:48]  * smoser thanks smb for his help
[16:48] <Daviey> smb: the kernel has been rock solid for me so far :)
[16:48] <Daviey> (best. kernel. ever)
[16:48] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:49] <utlemming> Any other topics, questions, concerns or general mockings?
[16:50]  * Daviey mocks soren
[16:50] <utlemming> +1
[16:50] <SpamapS> huats: care to update us on zentyal briefly?
[16:50]  * lynxman points to Sorens target audience
[16:50] <huats> SpamapS: sure
[16:50] <huats> so
[16:51] <huats> zentyal packages have been out for a while
[16:51] <SpamapS> In a PPA
[16:51] <huats> and they ask to be include in universe
[16:52] <huats> so there is a massive review of their work
[16:52] <huats> since they have change many things
[16:52] <huats> and the name of the package
[16:52] <huats> which means a NEW process inclusion
[16:52] <huats> so
[16:53] <huats> I am doing a review on that aspect to help the archive admin that will review the packages
[16:53] <SpamapS> Baically, bug 928501 needs to be fixed.. but that involves *19* NEW packages
[16:53] <huats> (this is what we have defined with SpamapS)
[16:53] <huats> the thing is that the upstream is also doing the packaging
[16:53] <huats> and they are really eager to help
[16:53] <SpamapS> so huats is going to do a preliminary review looking at what the AA's will look at .. so that there isn't a cycle of review and rejection
[16:54] <SpamapS> I'll upload the packages (and review as well) once huats has taken a look and gotten some feedback to the Zentyal devs
[16:54] <huats> I should be able to give a first review by tomorrow
[16:54] <SpamapS> Anyway, thats all
[16:54] <huats> :)
[16:54] <SpamapS> huats: right?
[16:55] <SpamapS> huats: THANK YOU!
[16:55] <huats> thanks for the clarification :)
[16:55] <huats> that is it :)
[16:55] <utlemming> And with that, we'll yield back the balance of the time.
[16:55] <utlemming> #endmeeting
[16:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 21 16:55:51 2012 UTC.
[16:55] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-21-16.02.moin.txt
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[16:55] <hallyn> \o/
[16:56] <arosales> Thanks for moderating utlemming
[16:57] <SpamapS> utlemming: FYI, you missed "announce the next meeting time"
[16:57] <SpamapS> which would be, next Tuesday
[16:58] <utlemming> oh...
[16:58] <utlemming>  [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:58] <utlemming> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:58] <utlemming> hummm...doesn't work outside a meeting...I'll put it in the notes
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 21 17:00:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:01] <henrix> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> P/omap4: a new kernel was released (Ubuntu-3.2.0-1406.8) and a fix for lp937051 ("Cannot set MAC address via kernel boot parameters") is in the pipe.
[17:01] <ppisati> SRU: a new round of SRU kernels for every release/arch is queued.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.04-beta-1.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ogasawara  || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || sconklin   || servercloud-p-ceph                    || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Beta-1 work items.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)
[17:02] <cking> Power Management:
[17:02] <cking>  * Work around broken HP battery info for powerstat.
[17:02] <cking>  * Started looking at Phoronix test suite
[17:02] <cking>  * Call for testing: RC6 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagementRC6
[17:02] <cking>    ^^ Thanks to Leann Ogasawara for organising this.
[17:02] <cking> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Last week we uploaded the 3.2.0-17.26 kernel.  Beta freeze is this
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thursday and Beta-1 is planned for next Thurs Mar 1.  I do not intend
[17:03] <ogasawara> any further uploads until after Beta-1.  Only fixes critical for the
[17:03] <ogasawara> release will warrent an upload at this point in time.
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Feb 23 - Beta Freeze (~2 days)
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Mar 01 - Beta 1 (~1 week)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:03] <cking> apw's laptop has just crashed - come back to this later
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:04] <bjf> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (Feb. 21):
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf>  * Hardy - 2.6.24-31.99     - In verification
[17:04] <bjf>  * Lucid - 2.6.32-39.86     - In verification
[17:04] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-32.66  - In verification
[17:04] <bjf>  * Natty - 2.6.38-13.56     - In verification
[17:04] <bjf>  * Oneiric - 3.0.0-16.29    - In verification
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:04] <bjf>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <apw> jsalisbury, am back
[17:05] <ogasawara> o/
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, go
[17:05] <ogasawara> just want to give a quick welcome to henrix
[17:06] <sforshee> o/
[17:06] <ogasawara> ..
[17:06]  * apw ^5's ogasawara
[17:06] <henrix> thanks! nice to be around
[17:06] <cking> welcome henrix
[17:06] <apw> beer?
[17:06] <jsalisbury> sforshee, did you have a comment or just saying hi to henrix?
[17:06] <henrix> apw: where?
[17:06] <apw> fridge
[17:06]  * smb heard beer
[17:06] <ogasawara> hehe
[17:06] <apw> ..
[17:07] <apw> jsalisbury, say "sforshee, go" and see what he does
[17:07] <apw> ..
[17:07] <jsalisbury> sforshee, go
[17:07] <jsalisbury> ok, we can move back to CVE's
[17:08] <sforshee> I think something went wrong, that was my roll call response
[17:08] <jsalisbury> ahh, ok
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <sforshee> messages were delayed to me I guess
[17:08] <apw> Currently we have 72 CVEs on our radar, one new CVEs were added this week.
[17:08] <sforshee> ..
[17:08] <apw> See the CVE matrix for the current list:
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> Overall the backlog is unchanged this week, though we have closed one
[17:08] <apw> additional CVE across the board:
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt
[17:08] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:08] <apw>
[17:08] <apw> ..
[17:09] <jsalisbury> Any other comments or announcements?
[17:09] <apw> nada ..
[17:09] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:09] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 21 17:09:27 2012 UTC.
[17:09] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-21-17.00.moin.txt
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[17:09] <apw> jsalisbury, ta
[17:09]  * apw looks at the fridge ... with his come and get my eyes
[17:10]  * ogasawara cries and stares at the clock
[17:46]  * ppisati -> EOD
[19:59] <czajkowski> xdatap1: cprofitt greg-g itnet7 ping
[20:00] <cprofitt> pong
[20:00] <xdatap1> pong
[20:00] <czajkowski> need the others to continue
[20:01] <xdatap1> let's wait few minutes
[20:03]  * greg-g waves
[20:03] <greg-g> so, the fridge has this in an hour
[20:04] <JanC> the fridge is often wrong that way (or was, at least?)
[20:04] <greg-g> then we should fix it?
[20:04] <JanC> greg-g: fix google ?
[20:04] <greg-g> fix the timezone of the meeting?
[20:05] <czajkowski> greg-g: it's UTC but I suspect it's picking up summer time for some unknown reason
[20:05] <JanC> AFAIK this is a google bug, but I might be wrong
[20:05] <czajkowski> always gone by the wiki page
[20:05] <xdatap1> hey greg-g ! :)
[20:05]  * greg-g is able to get gcal to be consistent and corrent, across timezones with peole in europe ;)
[20:05] <greg-g> but anywho..
[20:05] <greg-g> hiya xdatap1 !
[20:06] <greg-g> so, we have quorum?
[20:06] <cprofitt> greg-g: yes
[20:07] <cprofitt> czajkowski, me, you, xdatap1
[20:07] <xdatap1> ok, shall we start?
[20:07] <cprofitt> yes, please
[20:08] <xdatap1> I'll chair the meeting
[20:08] <xdatap1> #startmeeting
[20:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 21 20:08:03 2012 UTC.  The chair is xdatap1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:08] <xdatap1> so, today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:08] <xdatap1> let's start with the team's approval
[20:09] <xdatap1> Netherlands team is here?
[20:09] <Ronnie> xdatap1: o/
[20:09] <greg-g> hi there!
[20:09] <xdatap1> hello Ronnie, welcome! Please introduce yourself and your team
[20:09] <Ronnie> I'm Ronnie, the new Ubuntu-NL Loco contact. I took the seat over after the absence of our former LoCo contact (Sense Hofstede) a few months ago.
[20:10] <Ronnie> Ubuntu NL was founded in 2004, and still a very active Ubuntu Community
[20:10] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[20:10] <Ronnie> Previous reapproval (2010-12-21) we were not approved, because most of the community councel wanted to wait on the upcoming change in governance structure. Now, more than a year later were ready for a reapproval.
[20:10] <Ronnie> Bug of the previous approval: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/693178
[20:10] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeamApprovalApplication
[20:11] <Ronnie> The new governance has each month an IRC meeting, were we take disicions on the topics discussed on the mailinglist and we make new action points. The meetings are open for everyone to join. The first part of the meeting is intended for the goverance only, to discuss more quickly and take discisions (everyone is free to read it). In the second part, everyone can join the discussion.
[20:11]  * greg-g nods
[20:11] <Ronnie> more information can be found in the link czajkowski posted above. Feel free to ask any question
[20:12] <czajkowski> Ronnie: hiya so glad to see ye guys came back
[20:12] <cprofitt> I have read your application, taken a look at your website, and at loco.ubuntu.com
[20:12] <czajkowski> and well done for that
[20:13] <cprofitt> Well done on the documentation Ronnie
[20:13] <czajkowski> Ronnie: so a couple of questions as I was on the last council when the application came before
[20:13] <Ronnie> thx cprofitt
[20:13] <czajkowski> when sense left the team did seem to go rapidly down hill
[20:13] <greg-g> Ronnie: I see the list of events these past few years, some of them look interesting, what is the general type of event that Ubuntu-NL puts on or participates in?
[20:13] <czajkowski> waht measures are no in place to stop such an episode happening again
[20:13] <czajkowski> *what
[20:14] <czajkowski> I know there were a lot of issues in the past with information not being passed to others, and conerations happening on the forums but not elsewhere, do you feel that all the extra levels of governance is helping?
[20:14] <Ronnie> the team did not really gone downhill when sense left the team. We still had meetings every month (thomas_de_graaff took over the meeting chair)
[20:15] <cprofitt> Ronnie: are any other members from your team in channel presently?
[20:15] <Thomas_de_Graaff> o/
[20:15] <johanvd> o/
[20:15] <JanC> I agree the day-to-day working of the team didn't really go downhill
[20:15] <czajkowski> Ronnie: we had people coming in looking to find out what to do as they dodnt know what to do
[20:15] <StefandeVries> o/
[20:15] <Ronnie> the only difference was that that we hadn't any loco contact at the moment
[20:15] <greg-g> welcome Thomas_de_Graaff and johanvd !
[20:15] <leoquant> o/
[20:15]  * JanC is on the ubuntu-nl IRC team
[20:16]  * StefandeVries too.
[20:16] <greg-g> welcome all!
[20:16] <Oer> o/
[20:16] <cprofitt> Ronnie - so it was an issue with having a single contact? or was that also the team 'owner' for LP?
[20:16] <cprofitt> welcome to all Ubuntu-NL folks!!
[20:16] <cprofitt> great to see such a strong showing!!
[20:17] <Ronnie> czajkowski: yes we contacted the community councel to ask what steps we needed to take to make a smooth transition. but that didn't mean the team got downhill.
[20:17] <greg-g> Ronnie: good, so, do you think the current situation is positive for the team? Are the events/decisions happening in a positive manner?
[20:17] <Thomas_de_Graaff> I want to add that the structures Sense laid out made it quite easy to continue with a missing member.
[20:18] <cprofitt> Thomas_de_Graaff: +1
[20:18] <cprofitt> I see that now looking at LP
[20:18] <Ronnie> greg-g: it defenitly improved very much
[20:18] <Ronnie> there were some issues this year, but i think we handled them all very nice
[20:18] <greg-g> great!
[20:19] <greg-g> what are your plans for this year: the usual of release parties and global jams?
[20:19] <Ronnie> the new governance is also more present in the community than before
[20:19] <Ronnie> like i mentioned the open meetings improved it a lot
[20:20] <xdatap1> good Ronnie, thanks. Any other question? otherwise we can vote
[20:20] <cprofitt> I am set to vote
[20:20] <Ronnie> yes, definitly release parties and UGJ
[20:20] <Ronnie> but also improvements on the insight in the current community
[20:21] <greg-g> good deal
[20:21] <Ronnie> and finding out whats needed to improve it even more
[20:21] <Ronnie> we also working very hard on the new website: Demo: http://communityserver.ubuntu-nl.org/
[20:22] <greg-g> looks good!
[20:22] <czajkowski> well done
[20:22] <Ronnie> and were planning to do more workshops in the ubuntu-nl-mwanzo team
[20:23] <xdatap1> Ronnie, that one is an interesting idea, I'll ask you more info next days about it :)
[20:23] <Ronnie> which will result in more active participation in the community
[20:23] <xdatap1> let's vote, then
[20:23] <xdatap1> #voters czajkowski xdatap1 greg-g cprofitt
[20:23] <meetingology> Current voters: cprofitt czajkowski greg-g xdatap1
[20:24] <xdatap1> #vote Ubuntu-NL reapproval
[20:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu-NL reapproval
[20:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:24] <cprofitt> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from cprofitt
[20:24] <greg-g> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[20:24] <czajkowski> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:24] <xdatap1> +1, keep up the good work
[20:24] <meetingology> +1, keep up the good work received from xdatap1
[20:24] <xdatap1> #endvote
[20:24] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu-NL reapproval
[20:24] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:24] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:24] <Thomas_de_Graaff> \o/
[20:24] <xdatap1> congratulation guys
[20:24] <StefandeVries> \o/ Hoorah!
[20:25] <Idroy> \o/
[20:25] <cprofitt> congrats folks... job well done!!
[20:25] <Ronnie> thx xdatap1, cprofitt, czajkowski, greg-g
[20:25] <oCean> Great. Gefeliciteerd mannen!
[20:25] <Thomas_de_Graaff> Thx. council.
[20:25] <xdatap1> let's move on, Belgium Team
[20:25] <pvandewyngaerde> hello from Belgium
[20:25] <Ronnie> good luck south neighbours
[20:26] <pvandewyngaerde> congratulations Ronnie
[20:26] <leoquant> good luck belgium!
[20:26] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ReapprovalApplication2012
[20:26] <cprofitt> Who is here from Ubuntu-BE?
[20:26] <JanC> o/
[20:26] <pvandewyngaerde> o/
[20:26] <jean7491>  hi from belgian loco team
[20:26] <cprofitt> Good to see you folks; I appreciate your attending JanC pvandewyngaerde jean7491
[20:27] <xdatap1> Hello JanC! Nice to see you. Please introduce yourself and introduce your team
[20:27] <FOAD> o/
[20:28] <czajkowski> welcome folks
[20:28] <JanC> well, I'm the loco contact of the Belgian Team, and we promote Ubuntu in Belgium, as you can see on the ReApproval wiki page  ☺
[20:29] <czajkowski> nicely detailed
[20:29] <czajkowski> and I know from hands on experience of seeing the team in action at FOSDEM how active this team is
[20:29] <cprofitt> I am curious how the idea of having a council for your team is working out; has it helped the team?
[20:29] <pvandewyngaerde> i am also a member of the council
[20:30] <FOAD> And I give moral support.
[20:31] <cprofitt> FOAD: that can be very important at times :-)
[20:31] <FOAD> Thank you. :)
[20:31] <xdatap1> I like the idea of "Ubuntu-be Promise"
[20:31] <xdatap1> well done guys
[20:31] <cprofitt> JanC: I am curious how the idea of having a council for your team is working out; has it helped the team?
[20:32] <JanC> cprofitt: good question; as personally I am not really convinced of its added value right now, but maybe in the future...
[20:32]  * cprofitt nods
[20:32] <cprofitt> similar experience with my team
[20:32] <cprofitt> from the wiki event entries it does not look like the team is affected by it... lots of activity
[20:32] <czajkowski> JanC: is there a reason the team doesnt use the LTP, not that there is a requirement to use it, just curious
[20:33] <cprofitt> I was just going to ask that as well
[20:33] <JanC> czajkowski: mostly because we already used infrastructure on our own site
[20:33] <cprofitt> loco.ubuntu.com makes it very easy to see future and past events
[20:33] <czajkowski> JanC: wouldnt you prefer to see all events on the LTP where all other teams use it ?
[20:33] <JanC> I discussed changing that with our former webmaster, bu as he emigrated to Canada recently...
[20:34] <cprofitt> the issue for me with LTP is the ability for new users to find only one source of information
[20:34] <JanC> so we need to get back to that in the future with the new one
[20:34] <cprofitt> looking at loco.ubuntu.com leads me to beleive that there is no activity... which is clearly not the case
[20:34] <czajkowski> though I've seen your flyers and info booths, I do know all your work is up to date and would show only one place
[20:34] <JanC> the idea would be to pull in events from LTP then
[20:34] <cprofitt> +1 JanC - that would work fantastic
[20:35] <greg-g> JanC: another qustion: how do you plan on increasing exposure of Ubuntu/Free Software in schools (as stated on your roadmap)?
[20:35] <cprofitt> I would really like to have the great example your team sets and have the entire global community see it
[20:36] <czajkowski> JanC: that would be nice, but again no requirement for it, other than it bein nice to see all teams use it
[20:36] <czajkowski> makes it easuer to see how teams are doing from one site
[20:36] <JanC> I don't think we really have a roadmap as the team, but some individuals are working with schools, and we have the company that spreads awesome Ubuntu multiseats in schools & libraries  ☺
[20:37] <greg-g> awesome!
[20:37] <xdatap1> any other question? otherwise we can start voting
[20:37] <cprofitt> all set here
[20:38] <greg-g> go for it! :)
[20:38] <xdatap1> #vote Ubuntu-BE reapproval
[20:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu-BE reapproval
[20:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:38] <jean7491> about schools:as now there are only individual initiatives, hope is that a council helpshould help coordination and encouraging other initiatives
[20:38] <cprofitt> +1
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 received from cprofitt
[20:38] <FOAD> I just want to say Belgium is the best.
[20:38] <xdatap1> +1
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 received from xdatap1
[20:38] <FOAD> +1
[20:38] <czajkowski> +1
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:38] <czajkowski> FOAD: only council members vote
[20:38] <FOAD> Oh, sorry.
[20:39] <pvandewyngaerde> FAIL
[20:39] <FOAD> -1 then.
[20:39] <greg-g> +1
[20:39] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[20:39] <xdatap1> #endvote
[20:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu-BE reapproval
[20:39] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:39] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:39] <FOAD> I apologize profoundly.
[20:39] <cprofitt> no worries FOAD
[20:39] <greg-g> congrats!
[20:39] <xdatap1> congratulation Belgium!
[20:39] <pvandewyngaerde> thanks
[20:39] <JanC> \o/
[20:39] <cprofitt> congrats Ubuntu-BE
[20:39] <JanC> thanks all!
[20:39] <StefandeVries> Congratulations, Belgian LoCo!
[20:39] <jean7491> thx
[20:40] <Thomas_de_Graaff> Gefeliciteerd :D
[20:40] <xdatap1> ok, next topic. cprofitt would you introduce it?
[20:40] <cprofitt> sure
[20:40] <cprofitt> can you set the topic
[20:41] <xdatap1> #topic Team Contact vs. Team Owner - can we leverage loco.ubuntu.com?
[20:41] <cprofitt> As you all know we have has some issues with teams getting notified about reapproval due to team owners and team contacts not being the same or because team owners have gone off the grid even though the team is active.
[20:41] <cprofitt> I would like to suggest that we use loco.ubuntu.com as the source for team contact information as it allows the sep. of the two roles and it allows multiple users in those roles
[20:42] <FOAD> Hurray, congratulations my Belgian brethren.
[20:42] <pvandewyngaerde> btw, on the wiki it says there is a bug created when a team needs reapproval,  was there a bug for ubuntu-be ? i did not find one
[20:42] <cprofitt> pvandewyngaerde: the bugs are private
[20:42] <cprofitt> so it is not searchable
[20:42] <czajkowski> FOAD: pvandewyngaerde we're on a new topic
[20:42] <FOAD> I know that.
[20:43] <cprofitt> does that seem reasonable to the council to use loco.ubuntu.com?
[20:43] <czajkowski> well all teams are imported there from LP so all details should be up to date and makes it easier to find out who to contact rather than seaching lp
[20:44] <cprofitt> that was my thought czajkowski
[20:44] <cprofitt> would that require a re-write of any tools?
[20:45] <xdatap1> we send emails with LP, right?
[20:45] <czajkowski> xdatap1: nop
[20:45] <czajkowski> you send a mail from what ever tool you use to send mails
[20:45] <czajkowski> only if people do not have public addresses do you us elp to contct them
[20:46] <czajkowski> which I do object if you are the team contact you shouldbe able to be contacted and email address public
[20:46] <greg-g> that changed, no?
[20:46] <cprofitt> +1 czajkowski
[20:46] <xdatap1> how do we send re-approval emails?
[20:46] <greg-g> (I thought there was a change to the way LP sent emails to people with private emails)
[20:46] <cprofitt> I would think re-approval emails would be generated by LP via the bugs
[20:47] <cprofitt> which would send an email to anyone we subscribe
[20:47] <cprofitt> but not 100% sure on how it was done in the past.
[20:47] <czajkowski> greg-g: it does email them
[20:48] <JanC> yep, I got mail once I was subscribed
[20:48] <greg-g> cagood deal
[20:49] <czajkowski> cprofitt: once you add the team contact sure.
[20:49] <xdatap1> cprofitt, so the proposa is to use the loco dir just a white page for LoCos contatcs, right? Not changing the way we send email
[20:49] <czajkowski> which would have been gotten from the LTP
[20:49] <greg-g> btw, I'm fine with this, if I don't see the vote due to lag
[20:49] <cprofitt> yep
[20:49] <cprofitt> just use loco.ubuntu.com as the source of who contacts are
[20:50] <cprofitt> do we need an actual vote or just an informal +1?
[20:50] <cprofitt> I don't think we really need a vote
[20:50] <cprofitt> just want to make sure we are all on the same page
[20:50] <xdatap1> It's fine for me
[20:51] <czajkowski> all one the same page here
[20:51] <cprofitt> cool.
[20:51] <cprofitt> I will motion that we adjourn the meeting
[20:52] <FOAD> Okay.
[20:52] <xdatap1> shall we end, then?
[20:52] <czajkowski> yes please
[20:52] <xdatap1> #endmeeting
[20:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 21 20:52:59 2012 UTC.
[20:52] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-21-20.08.moin.txt
[20:52] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-21-20.08.html
[20:53] <xdatap1> thanks everybody for coming
[20:54] <FOAD> No problem.
[20:54] <Oer> Ubuntu have fun!
[20:54] <StefandeVries> Again, thanks to the council for their judgement on the Dutch reapproval. Goodbye!