[05:54] <Kilos> morning all of you
[05:56] <Kilos> Maaz  728/7
[05:56] <Maaz> Kilos: 104.0
[05:57] <Kilos> good month data wise
[06:55] <Kilos> hi gremble
[06:55] <Kilos> sorry very busy
[06:56] <Kilos> learning to edit the edits of my edits sjoe
[06:56] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[06:56] <gremble> Nice
[06:56] <Kilos> eish no its horrible
[06:56] <gremble> I'm trying to find matric syllabus for mathematics
[06:56] <Kilos> oh my
[06:57] <Kilos> what did you forget
[06:58] <gremble> Nothing. I'm teaching a man that is redoing matric in June and I don't know what he needs to know
[06:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:39] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[07:39] <Tonberry> hi
[07:50] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:50] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[07:51] <Kilos> busy cutting up meat for a curry atm but you welcome to go add at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[07:52]  * nlsthzn goes and has a look
[07:55] <nlsthzn> done
[07:55] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[08:05] <Kilos> hehe tired already
[08:05] <Kilos> 4 hourly wakups are tough
[08:05] <nlsthzn> if only 4 hours >.<
[08:05] <nlsthzn> so far each early morning he decides to stay up for 4 hours >.<
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <Kilos> whats with the out of town
[08:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:07] <nlsthzn> :) well...
[08:07] <Kilos> supposed to be UAE man
[08:07] <nlsthzn> well that is close enough :p
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:09] <Kilos> that thing is too wide now for me to work with, when the word wrap thing starts i get bamfoozled
[08:10] <Kilos> when you start thinking of gaming rather go add everyone you know
[08:10] <Kilos> iand look at trello
[08:10] <Kilos> lotsa work there
[08:19] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:19] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[08:19] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[09:16] <Kilos> so how come all the early peeps dont have wiki pages
[10:02] <Kilos> ai!
[10:05] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[10:05] <Kilos> and hello to you
[10:06] <Kilos> Maaz  its broken
[10:06] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz  its broken
[10:34] <Maaz> Well then Kilos Ping Mr. fixit
[10:34] <Kilos> hmm... let him have lunch first
[11:15] <Private_User> sad people
[11:15] <Private_User> SA lost
[11:15] <Private_User> :'(
[11:25] <Kilos> lol
[12:57] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you do that?
[12:58] <Kilos> i really dont know i added one more and it gave error stuffs
[12:59] <Kilos> can you see what the prob is
[12:59] <Kilos> i deleted the one i added but it didnt help
[13:00] <inetpro> please subscribe to the page so you can get emails when someone edited it
[13:01] <Kilos> oh
[13:01] <Kilos> wow thats taking long
[13:02] <inetpro> that's normal
[13:02] <inetpro> just hang in there
[13:02] <Kilos> its done , can you see what caused the prob?
[13:03] <inetpro> can you see that it's fixed?
[13:03] <Kilos> nope it now shows you all alone in a new bloack at the bottom
[13:03] <inetpro> you have magic ways to break it... don't know how you do it
[13:03] <Kilos> ai!
[13:04] <inetpro> can you RTFS please!?
[13:04] <Kilos> oh
[13:04] <Squirm> morning
[13:04] <Kilos> oh my
[13:04] <Kilos> hi squirm
[13:04] <inetpro> hi Squirm
[13:04] <inetpro> Kilos: and then, please explain column 1
[13:05] <Kilos> column 1 is to be able to number peeps as to when they joined
[13:05] <Kilos> then you can make it sort by numbers
[13:05] <Kilos> hehe
[13:06] <inetpro> Kilos: edit it using kate
[13:06] <Kilos> was that also n dumb idea
[13:06] <Kilos> uh
[13:07] <inetpro> with kate you press F10 to disable dynamic word wrap
[13:07] <Kilos> ya  kate should go withnumbers
[13:07] <inetpro> easier to see the columns
[13:07] <Kilos> im lost
[13:07] <inetpro> uh, how many members do you want to add?
[13:08] <Kilos> everyone that has joined za since it was formed
[13:08] <inetpro> ai!
[13:08] <inetpro> do you have any idea how many they are?
[13:08] <Kilos> if you do soemthing do it right right?
[13:09] <Kilos> about 80 or so
[13:10] <inetpro> why do this if you get https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members ?
[13:10] <Kilos> i entered crash kids info maybe the word crash broke it
[13:10] <Kilos> oh wow
[13:10] <inetpro> no you broke it, not the word crash
[13:11] <Kilos> how
[13:11] <Kilos> can you see where the error is?
[13:11] <Kilos> ok this changes everything
[13:11] <Kilos> that link you gave can be added to the site hey?
[13:12] <Kilos> or the link you gave added to bottom of the other one you just fixed
[13:19] <Kilos> how do you open it with kate inetpro  ?
[13:20] <Kilos> just open kate then copy/paste to it?
[13:22] <Squirm> Kilos: what are you trying to do?
[13:22] <Kilos> add peeps to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:23] <Kilos> easier for me to ask peeps to add them selves
[13:23] <Kilos> i break things
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos, Kilos, Kilos
[13:23] <inetpro> go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:23] <inetpro> press Edit
[13:23] <inetpro> click inside edit area and press Ctrl+A to select all
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+C to copy
[13:23] <inetpro> open kate
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+V to paste
[13:23] <inetpro> press F10 to disable word wrap
[13:23] <inetpro> edit, edit, edit
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+A to select all again
[13:23] <inetpro> press Ctrl+C to copy
[13:24] <inetpro> go to wiki edit space and Ctrl+V to paste
[13:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:26] <Squirm> Where are you copying from?
[13:26] <inetpro> Squirm: 02/22 15:23:43 <inetpro> go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:26] <inetpro> 02/22 15:23:43 <inetpro> press Edit
[13:26] <Kilos> i did those from memory and from their wiki pages
[13:27] <inetpro> Squirm: oops, you asking Kilos where he got info from?
[13:27] <Squirm> inetpro: yep\
[13:27] <Kilos> lol nm inetpro  that points him in the right direction to help out
[13:27]  * inetpro still not sure what Kilos is trying to achieve with this
[13:28] <Kilos> eish why didnt you say you in the beginning
[13:28] <Kilos> saved days of headache that way
[13:28] <Kilos> but it looks good imo
[13:29] <inetpro> uh
[13:29] <Kilos> say so not say you
[13:30] <Kilos> head and hands work at different frequencies
[13:30] <inetpro> then please explain now
[13:30] <Kilos> explain what
[13:30] <inetpro> what are you trying to achieve?
[13:30] <inetpro> or what should I have said?
[13:31] <Kilos> think back ,
[13:31] <Kilos> i know its difficult
[13:31] <inetpro> Kilos being ambiguous again?
[13:31] <Kilos> but the aim was to add a link to our site to show members past and present
[13:31] <Kilos> Maaz  define ambiguous
[13:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Ambiguous \Am*big"u*ous\, a. [L. ambiguus, fr. ambigere to wander about, waver; amb- + agere to drive.] Doubtful or uncertain, particularly in respect to signification; capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses; equivocal; as, an ambiguous course; an ambiguous expression. [1913 Webster]  What have been thy answers? What but dark,
[13:31] <Maaz> Ambiguous, and with double sense deluding? --Milton. [1913 Webster]  Syn: Doubtful; dubiou…
[13:32] <Kilos> lol
[13:32] <Kilos> ya me dubious
[13:32] <Kilos> and uncertain
[13:34] <Kilos> i didnt know about https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members
[13:35] <inetpro> ai!
[13:37]  * inetpro refrains from digging into the logs to find previous conversations
[13:37] <Kilos> lol
[13:37] <Kilos> i told you its all too much for me
[13:38] <inetpro> don't worry, I also forget
[13:38] <Kilos> but to be honest the wiki page is nicer to read than the launchpad one
[13:39] <Kilos> i can comment there
[13:40] <inetpro> Kilos: there's nothing wrong with your approach
[13:40] <inetpro> just need to talk to your inner self to get a logical goal that will be sustainable and easy to maintain
[13:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:41] <Kilos> methinks inner self is lying on the farm irtb
[13:41] <Kilos> in rtb
[13:49] <gremble> My machine is locked up so bad
[13:49] <Kilos> eish
[13:49] <gremble> The time isn't even going forward anymore
[13:50] <gremble> It's still stuck on 13:57
[13:50] <Kilos> is there a mathematical solution other than cold boot
[13:50] <Kilos> shutdown
[13:50] <gremble> Nope
[13:50] <Kilos> ai!
[13:50] <gremble> Just hard booted
[13:51] <gremble> I don't know why it did this
[13:51] <Kilos> ah thats what i was looking for
[13:51] <gremble> I wasn't doing anything that could have caused this
[13:51] <gremble> Lol update and chrome
[13:51] <Kilos> read tail and cat logs
[13:51] <gremble> Windows
[13:52] <gremble> There are no nice things like that
[13:52] <Kilos> eish
[13:52] <gremble> Something is broken
[13:52] <gremble> :/
[13:52] <gremble> It's not booting
[14:00] <gremble> This the 3rd time that I have started this damned 2GB download
[14:00] <gremble> I am going to beat this computer to death
[14:04] <Kilos> lol
[14:04] <Kilos> dont you use downloadmanager
[14:05] <gremble> The program is downloading internally
[14:05] <gremble> It should have a download manager
[14:05] <Kilos> eish
[14:24] <confluency> gremble: you can get wget and curl for Windows.
[14:24] <Kilos> wow
[14:32] <gremble> still internal downloader of an app
[14:36] <Kilos> confluency  dont you want to add you at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members please? im bang to break it again
[14:39] <confluency> I think we have some formatting issues there.
[14:41] <confluency> Also, how is the login supposed to work? I just get a button without a form.
[14:49] <Kilos> oh my
[14:49] <Kilos> oh launchpad login i think
[14:54] <Kilos> inetpro  that other link shows launchpad join dates to ubuntu-za join dates
[14:54] <Kilos> surely those dates arent the same
[15:11] <confluency> There's nowhere I can see to enter an OpenID url.
[15:16] <Kilos> oh my
[15:17] <Kilos> ill ask the pro or fly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview are you trying with or without the preview thing
[15:18] <Kilos> try open another page then login to launchpad then only open the members page
[15:18] <Kilos> my browser remembers my openid so just goes in
[15:21] <Kilos> all these things are still beyond me
[15:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:36] <Kilos> i thought anyone can edit wiki pages
[15:37] <Kilos> gremble are you winning?
[15:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:51] <magespawn> hi Kilos, meeting this week tuesday i see
[15:51] <Kilos> yip
[15:54] <magespawn> i am going to have look after my data just in case, only got 200mb left
[15:54] <Kilos> ouch
[15:57] <magespawn> mmmm , that is just mobile data, i have adsl access most of the time,so it should not be a problem.
[15:58] <magespawn> this new install wants a whole load of updates too, but not over mobile
[16:02]  * Squirm yawns
[16:02] <Squirm> Load shedding at 8pm :/
[16:02]  * Squirm prods superfly
[16:05] <magespawn> hi Squirm
[16:05] <magespawn> why on a sunday, i wonder?
[16:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:10] <Kilos> no night surfer data magespawn  ?
[16:10] <Kilos> i use that for upgrades
[16:11] <Squirm> magespawn: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/119356-eskom-load-shedding-update-sunday-22-february.html
[16:11] <magespawn> no, i did not get one of those, but next month is upgrad month for the wife and i
[16:12] <magespawn> upgrade too
[16:12] <magespawn> ty Squirm
[16:12] <Kilos> ah
[16:13] <Kilos> hmm... is that you magespawn
[16:16] <magespawn> no don't think so
[16:16] <magespawn> somebdy else
[16:16] <magespawn> somebody too
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Kilos> maybe the margerine man
[16:18] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[16:20] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[16:20] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[16:20] <Kilos> the same thing i did before
[16:20] <Kilos> i left it so you can see and tell me what i did wrong
[16:21] <Kilos> it squinched the heavy sparks line
[16:22] <Kilos> all i can think of is that there must be a new line underneeth
[16:22] <Kilos> before saving
[16:23] <magellanic> heya
[16:26] <inetpro> Kilos: table rows have to end with ||
[16:26] <inetpro> no extra spaces allowed
[16:26] <mazal> Evening everyone
[16:26] <Kilos> aha maybe thats it
[16:26] <Kilos> hi mazal
[16:27] <Kilos> ty goosie
[16:27] <Kilos> ill try harder
[16:27] <mazal> How do I switch between windows ? ctr-alt-tab doesn't work
[16:28] <Kilos> try alt+tab
[16:28] <Kilos> no
[16:28] <Kilos> put a switcher in the panel
[16:28] <mazal> ah , dankie oom
[16:29] <Kilos> did yours work?
[16:29] <inetpro> mazal: alt+tab
[16:29] <mazal> daai werk
[16:29] <Kilos> wow
[16:31] <mazal> I wonder if I will remember to make a new iso tonight
[16:31] <mazal> Can maaz do reminders ?
[16:33] <mazal> I needs something that can pop up a message reminder and alarm bell. Does Kubuntu have something like that ?
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos: twit!
[16:36] <Kilos> ya i did that
[16:36] <inetpro> think before you do man!
[16:36] <Kilos> committed then tried merge and it said nothing to do
[16:36] <Kilos> ai! what now
[16:38] <inetpro> now the fly will have to fix that again
[16:38] <Kilos> why what happened
[16:38] <inetpro> you merged your own mess
[16:39] <inetpro> maybe it will not make a difference but it really doesn't make sense what you did
[16:39] <Kilos> i dont understand how it can be a mess because it ran here and looked like our site with different name
[16:39] <magespawn> mazal just once or reaccuring?
[16:39] <Kilos> even the links worked
[16:40] <Kilos> but now i dont see a wui anymore
[16:41] <inetpro> Kilos: let superfly do the merging please
[16:41] <Kilos> ok
[16:42] <Kilos> wait
[16:42] <Kilos> i didnt login at launchpad first so didnt i just merge here?
[16:43] <mazal> magespawn: Yes , once
[16:44] <mazal> I sommer opened google calender now and added an entry with message reminder set. Will see how that works , never tried that before
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: see https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa-devs/ubuntu-africa/trunk/+merges
[16:44] <inetpro> but please don't go approving now
[16:44] <Kilos> ok
[16:44] <magespawn> i believe you can use the do command and the date and time
[16:46] <Kilos> ty for the hard work inetpro  ill just watch
[16:46] <magespawn> mazal: let me see quickly
[16:47] <inetpro> Kilos: not that hard work just yet... still just trying to learn the basics as well
[16:47] <inetpro> need to get confirmation from the fly that I'm on the right path
[16:48] <inetpro> he will have gotten an email and will attend to the matter when he has time
[16:49] <Kilos> ah
[16:51] <inetpro> I guess just the same as you would have received an email
[16:52] <Kilos> na just mails from wiki and trello
[16:54] <mazal> One can get mail from trello ?
[16:54] <Kilos> ya
[16:54] <Kilos> when someone does something on our trello i get a mail;
[16:55] <mazal> Oh ok
[16:57] <Kilos> youll get mailed if someone else does stuff on your trello
[16:57] <magellanic> there is a trello mobile app, which notifies if a card you're on, gets acted on
[16:58] <Kilos> these things are getting too clever
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:09] <inetpro> mazal: and if you want mails with every edit of a list in Trello you can subscribe to it
[17:12] <magespawn> mazal: sorry not 'do' but 'at', i do not know the full syntax though, something i just read
[17:14] <magespawn> it is apparently a seperate program, just installing it now
[17:14] <mazal> ta magespawn, will look into it
[17:15] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[17:15]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:15] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[17:16] <Maaz> Sorry Squirm  No more than a beer mug full is allowed. Times are hard!
[17:16] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[17:16] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[17:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[17:24] <Squirm> Maaz: test
[17:24] <Maaz> Squirm: Excuse me?
[17:24] <Squirm> Meh, terrible ping
[17:25] <Kilos> hi Yolandre
[17:26] <Yolandre> Hi
[17:26] <Kilos> there were some comments but you were gone
[17:26] <Kilos> why dont you run a local mail server
[17:27] <Kilos> i think it was you with the 80g of emails hey?
[17:27] <Yolandre> I'm in the process of deploying a new local mail server, but it still will not solve any problems. If it had been that easy I would've done it ages ago. Here is why:
[17:28] <Yolandre> The majority of users do work after hours and as such require access to their mailboxes. Impossible as it may seem not one of them enjoy internet connectivity at home.
[17:29] <Yolandre> This is why local storage of the mails on the workstation is so important.
[17:29] <Kilos> ah
[17:30] <Kilos> with evolution you can save files to another folder i think, never needed to try it
[17:30] <Kilos> other clients must also have that option
[17:31] <inetpro> Kilos: do you realise how much 80GB is?
[17:31] <inetpro> Yolandre: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[17:31] <Kilos> thats to everyone inetpro
[17:31] <inetpro> this is no normal request
[17:32]  * inetpro has never seen any single user cosume 80GB of email
[17:32] <Kilos> no thats all of them
[17:33] <Kilos> whole company
[17:33] <Yolandre> Inetpro, please note that 80GB is the smaller of the mail accounts.
[17:33] <inetpro> Yolandre: no!!! serious!!?
[17:33] <inetpro> in South Africa?
[17:34] <Yolandre> I have 13 HQ based users each of which use 2 mail accounts. The smaller of the 2 collects approximately 20GB per annum whilst the larger collects approximately 40GB per annum. Tested of a 5 year period.
[17:34] <Yolandre> :)
[17:35] <inetpro> Kilos: no, he really is talking about a single user
[17:35] <Kilos> wow
[17:35] <Yolandre> Microsoft had the same response until I flashed physical examples... They were stunned.
[17:35] <inetpro> Yolandre: please stick around
[17:35]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:36] <inetpro> this seems liek an interesting challenge
[17:36] <inetpro> like*
[17:36] <Squirm> But, local storage
[17:36] <Squirm> surely you can just use POP ?
[17:36] <Yolandre> I have been wanting to switch to thin clients since the word go, but the MD wants nothing to do with it.
[17:37] <Squirm> But then I'm sure IMAP will be able to store a locla copy too
[17:37] <Squirm> Yolandre: what's your problem?
[17:37] <Yolandre> Not to all: I have found a way to make Microsoft Outlook work with 40GB - 60GB PST files.
[17:38] <Squirm> Oh right, so it's actually MS that's being an issue?
[17:39] <Yolandre> Squirm, I need to deploy a mail client on Ubuntu capable of facilitating 80GB+ worth of mails.
[17:39] <Yolandre> Yep, MS is where the fun and games started.
[17:39] <Squirm> Ah
[17:39] <Squirm> Have you tried something like Mozilla Thunderbird?
[17:40] <Yolandre> But, as mentioned I have since found a way to by-pass the normal 19,8GB capacity limit for PST files.
[17:41] <Yolandre> I had all my hope in Thunderbird by ways of creating archive folders for each year's mails, but it failed horribly.
[17:41] <Squirm> Meh - I only have 700Mb of IMAP mail
[17:41] <Yolandre> After some extensive reading it appears that Mozilla might have called it end of days for Thunderbird, which in turn creates further doubts.
[17:41] <Squirm> ok
[17:42] <magespawn> Yolandre: offline version of imap, that only syncs when connected?
[17:42] <Yolandre> The majority of users do work after hours and as such require access to their mailboxes. Impossible as it may seem not one of them enjoy internet connectivity at home.
[17:42] <Yolandre> Hence, IMAP will not work.
[17:44] <magespawn> i think there is a google app for chrome that does local storage of the mail for offline work
[17:44] <Squirm> Yolandre: IMAP does keep a local copy
[17:45] <Yolandre> Strangely enough I use Mac OSX Mavericks on a MacBook Pro in official capacity. My Apple Mail box contains 6 years worth of mails in total exceeding 120GB's and I have until present not had a single day's problems. Considering that Mac OSX is now freely distributed the thought crossed my mind to switch all workstations to it.
[17:45] <Yolandre> Apologies Squirm, you're correct. IMAP will store local copies as well.
[17:46] <Squirm> In Thunderbird, in Account Preferences - Syncronization and Storage
[17:46] <Squirm> I have mine set to sync all messages, but you can set it to sync the last 'x' number of days worth of mail
[17:48] <Yolandre> Give me a second or so & I'll copy another thread into the chat which might shed some more light on the matter.
[17:49] <Yolandre> I want to move all our Microsoft Windows based workstations, equipped with different versions of Microsoft Outlook or Microsoft Windows Live Mail, to Ubuntu for various reasons including cost, security and stability.
[17:49] <Yolandre> On average our users receive approximately 20GB worth of e-mail per year and due to company policy demanding that no e-mails are ever deleted I need a mail client capable of facilitating mailboxes in access of 80GB.
[17:49] <Yolandre> Until present I had to create additional PST files for Microsoft Outlook users and then once a year assist the users in moving all received mails received during a year into the relevant PST file.  The user subsequently mounts and dismounts each year's files as and when required thus the active PST file only contains mails relating to the current year.
[17:49] <Yolandre> After a bit of research on Thunderbird's capabilities I was convinced that by regularly moving mail from the mail client's inbox to a dedicated local folder it will get the job done and subsequently embarked on porting one user's mail accounts from Microsoft Windows Live Mail to Thunderbird.
[17:49] <Yolandre> The target system runs on Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit and ext4 file system) whilst the mail server only supports POP3. Due to the the size of one mail account I decided to import only the smaller of the two mail accounts into Thunderbird and the import process worked perfectly.
[17:50] <Yolandre> Upon completion of the import process all sub-folders were re-created in Thunderbird after which I started moving the mails into logical local folders. For the majority of of this process all went really well until I started working with an archive folder created by the user in Microsoft Windows Live Mail containing in access of 40GB of mails. Note that the archive folder imported into Thunderbird without any errors. When attempting to split the archiv
[17:50] <Yolandre> e folder into smaller portions, i.e. moving all archived mails relating to a specific year into a local folder dedicated to the particular year, the following error was displayed: "The folder X is full, and can't hold any more messages". All subsequent efforts resulted in the same error message being displayed.
[17:50] <Yolandre> I have since did additional research and learnt that Mozilla is ceasing the further development of Thunderbird:
[17:50] <Yolandre> On November 25, 2014, Kent James of the Mozilla Foundation announced on the Mozilla blog that active contributors to Thunderbird gathered at the Mozilla office in Toronto and discussed the future of the application. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird)
[17:50] <Yolandre> The above creates even more doubt as to whether stepping from the Microsoft platform is such a good idea... After some research I am lead to believe that Evolution might present a possible relief. I could until now not get an indication of Evolution's storage capabilities, but will give it a go in any event.
[17:50] <Yolandre> This should put you on the page I am.
[17:52] <Squirm> Ah
[17:52] <Squirm> Ok
[17:52] <Squirm> I wonder how something like Mutt would handle that many emails :D
[17:52] <Squirm> Probably run out of Inodes on your drive :P
[17:53] <Yolandre> Note that during the import process stated above a folder containing approximately 40GB's worth of mails was imported into Thunderbird without error and all relevant mails were accessible.
[17:53] <Yolandre> That
[17:53] <magespawn> that is a fair aoung of mail that
[17:53] <Yolandre> That's the only conclusion I could come to as well.
[17:53] <magespawn> s/amoung/amount
[17:54] <magespawn> and i get irked when my users run into the google 15gb limit
[17:54] <Squirm> Yolandre: that may not even be possible...
[17:55] <Squirm> Espetially if you're stuck with POP
[17:55] <Squirm> Especially
[17:56] <Squirm> Otherwise you need to Archive the mail and remove it from the client
[17:57] <Yolandre> Squirm, that is my exact thoughts as well - more so after doing some reading on both Thunderbird and Evolution. Again with reference to an earlier statement I am still thoroughly convinced that the only proper manner to facilitate such volumes will be to go thin clients with an internal mail server supporting IMAP.
[17:58] <Squirm> But how will thin clients work if the work is done at home?
[17:58] <Squirm> Sorry
[17:58] <Squirm> Thinking of a Terminal Server
[17:59] <Squirm> Ok
[17:59] <Squirm> Then at least you have some control of how much data is stored on the local drive
[17:59] <Squirm> Because it just seems to be the sheer number of messages(might not even be the actual size)
[17:59] <Yolandre> Exactly.
[18:00] <Squirm> I'm glad I'm not the application that has to index that
[18:00] <Yolandre> LOLZ!
[18:00] <Yolandre> True!
[18:01] <magespawn> mm that looks like the best solution, so the user could have all mails available but only the present year at all times
[18:01] <Yolandre> Spot on.
[18:01] <Squirm> Yes
[18:01] <magespawn> how does a pop server handle mail boxes of that size anyway?
[18:02] <Squirm> magespawn: most of the time, pop is set to delete email on the server
[18:02] <Yolandre> Fairly well thus far providing maintenance is being conducted on a weekly basis.
[18:02] <Squirm> huh
[18:02] <Squirm> Ok
[18:02] <Squirm> Thank you to our bountiful internet. We just use Google Apps
[18:03] <magespawn> indeed, i was just wondering if there was a mail size limit on the server, similar to outlooks
[18:04] <magespawn> i have had two users fill up their inbox in google apps
[18:04] <Yolandre> Configured not to delete copies on mail server and mail server subsequently maintained on bi-weekly basis by moving inbox contents to dedicated back drives.
[18:05] <magespawn> is there a limit to the inbox on the server? something defined by the software rather than a human set limit
[18:06] <Yolandre> No limits on mail server.
[18:06] <magespawn> like outlooks arb limits
[18:06] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:07] <Yolandre> Mail servers are currently outsourced, so one less worry for me.
[18:07] <magespawn> are they stored locally?
[18:08] <Yolandre> Nope, remote.
[18:09] <magespawn> would a caching server work?
[18:10] <magespawn> i do not know very much about this, thats why the questions
[18:11]  * inetpro happy that I don't have to maintain such massive mail stores
[18:12] <inetpro> what a mess when stuff goes out of sync
[18:13] <inetpro> Yolandre: I've seen Thunderbird development pick up again recently
[18:13] <inetpro> but not sure whether it's actively supported by Mozilla still
[18:13] <inetpro> the first barrier would be the filesystem though
[18:14] <Yolandre> We tried a caching server (Mercury, duh) which worked for a while, but after a year started causing problems. It was subsequently scaled down to only facilitate for a single mail account (the largest one we have). If going through the effort of deploying alternative servers I would much rather prefer moving the outsources mail server to a local mail server and for once and for all solve this mess.
[18:15] <inetpro> what kind of mails are these that are so huge?
[18:15] <Yolandre> If the mail client goes out of sync with the caching server it is pure and utter chaos.
[18:16] <inetpro> absolutely
[18:16]  * inetpro has spent many nightly hours fixing exchange failures
[18:16] <Yolandre> Mails are mostly inclusive of large volumes of photos and, or, PDF attachments.
[18:17] <inetpro> ai!
[18:17] <inetpro> is mail really the answer to the problems?
[18:17] <inetpro> should you not be looking at a document management solution?
[18:19] <inetpro> but having said that even a offline document management solution would be hairy to say the least
[18:20] <magespawn> or maybe something like dropbox or bittorrent sync?
[18:20] <Yolandre> We have a management solution which does the job absolutely perfectly and yes it definitely has an extremely positive effect. Not all customers use the facility nor the majority of remote officials, which subsequently pressurizes the mail infrastructure.
[18:20] <inetpro> this really sounds like a horribly odd kind of environment
[18:20] <magespawn> opencloud, i forget the name of the open source software
[18:20] <inetpro> captine: wb
[18:21] <captine> thanks
[18:21] <captine> hi all
[18:21] <magespawn> Yolandre: get new users
[18:21] <magespawn> hi captine
[18:21] <captine> busy watching linux action show... live from Scale X in LA... pretty cool
[18:21] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:21] <captine> they positioned just in front of hte ubuntu booth... so hoping the conference starts soon to see some interesting things
[18:21] <captine> hi Kilos
[18:22] <Yolandre> If it had been that easy Megaspawn....
[18:23] <magespawn> indeed solve the majority of it problems
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: where's stickyboy?
[18:23] <Kilos> looks like he took the weekend off
[18:24]  * inetpro would love to see his reaction on this
[18:24] <captine> hi magespawn
[18:24] <Kilos> remember where this discussion was and he can read up on it
[18:24] <inetpro> tumbleweed: please read above!!!
[18:24] <captine> whats the context/conversation?
[18:24] <Kilos> he likes finding linux solutions
[18:25] <inetpro> also highvoltage
[18:25] <inetpro> Yolandre: have you blogged about this?
[18:26] <Yolandre> Yes, but have not updated it yet. Give a sec & I'll see whether StachExchange now allows me to update it.
[18:27] <inetpro> ahh, StackExchange is the right place
[18:28] <captine> inetpro, you referring to the highvoltage --  the podcast? or Eskom... think Eskom is limited voltage :)
[18:28] <inetpro> haha
[18:28] <inetpro> captine: highvoltage is the founder of this channel even
[18:29] <captine> :)
[18:29] <captine> ah
[18:29] <captine> hectic
[18:29] <inetpro> he probably got his nickname when our voltage was still high
[18:31] <inetpro> btw, ext4 has a mximum file size limit of 16 tebibyte
[18:32] <captine> only 16... darn.  need to change my file system... lol.
[18:33] <magespawn> why would you have a limit on that, inetpro?
[18:34] <inetpro> magespawn: all file systems have limits
[18:34] <Kilos> captine  you can go comment by you and add dates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members#preview
[18:35] <Kilos> and you can add you magespawn
[18:35] <inetpro> magespawn: remember that is the limit for a single file
[18:35] <captine> thanks Kilos
[18:35] <captine> will do asap
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Yolandre> Apoloigies
[18:36] <Kilos> i would tell all those mail peeps to learn to use irc pidgin and whatsapp
[18:36] <Kilos> Yolandre  ?
[18:37] <inetpro> Yolandre: apologies?
[18:37] <captine> whatsapp?  I am looking at using Telegram.  might be tough to get all family on it instead of whatsapp.. but it comes on the ubuntu phone.. so that is enough for me :)
[18:38] <Yolandre> Apologies, some moderators on StackExchange placed my post "on hold" due to lac of detail and when I attempt to update the post with more detail StackExchange considers the update as spam...
[18:38] <Kilos> you got one?
[18:38] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:39] <magespawn> inetpro: i gather that, why though? there 'must' be a logical reason for it and 16 Tb for a single file is large
[18:40] <inetpro> it's massive yes
[18:42] <captine> kilos, you have our nicks linking to a wiki page... is that the page needed for the membership?
[18:42] <captine> my launchpad ID is not the same as my nick.. so not sure if I should use the launchpad ID or my nick for the membership wiki?
[18:42] <Kilos> that page is for peeps that view the site to see members
[18:43] <Kilos> membership you need a launchpad account methinks
[18:43] <Kilos> pro tell him please
[18:43] <magespawn> captine i think you can list your nick on your launchpad page
[18:44] <captine> i.  magespawn I recall that now.  think i did that.. let me check
[18:44] <Kilos> i just try do what im told to do, mostly not knowing why
[18:47] <Kilos> oh captine  the wiki page thing is for those that have made them
[18:47] <Kilos> mostly i think when getting ready for applying for ubuntu membership
[18:47] <captine> Kilos, I will just make a base one now
[18:47] <captine> dont want to be the guy with a dead link :)
[18:48] <Kilos> you can leave that blank till the time comes
[18:48] <Kilos> none of the info there is
[18:48] <Kilos> um
[18:48] <Kilos> compulsory
[18:50] <Squirm> Hmm
[18:50] <Squirm> Electricity is still on
[18:50] <Squirm> That's a good thing
[18:51] <Kilos> hmm... captine  i got your town wrong sorry
[18:52] <captine> no prob
[18:52] <captine> thats why we can edit :)
[18:52] <Kilos> thank heavens for that
[19:02] <magespawn> the eraser of all past mistakes
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <captine> done with my few lines on the wiki
[19:03] <Kilos> without the fixit man there wouldnt be that page
[19:04] <Kilos> link?
[19:06] <captine> wiki.ubuntu.com/captine i think
[19:06] <Kilos> ya
[19:08] <Kilos> hehe thats good
[19:08] <Kilos> right path at last
[19:15] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:15]  * inetpro back again
[19:15] <inetpro> magespawn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained
[19:16] <Kilos> wb inetpro  did you see confluency  couldnt edit the wiki page
[19:16] <Kilos> what could the prob be
[19:16] <inetpro> magespawn: doesn't really explain much about why we have the limits but could be interesting for you
[19:16] <Yolandre> Is anyone running 14.10?
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: confluency, hmm...
[19:17]  * inetpro looking a the scrollbacks
[19:17] <inetpro> at*
[19:17] <Kilos> sec
[19:18] <Kilos> 22/02/2015 16:39] <confluency> I think we have some formatting issues there.
[19:19] <inetpro> confluency: did you survive that?
[19:20] <captine> Yolandre, was thinking of upgrading my xubuntu to 14.10 and then 15.04
[19:20] <captine> but havent taken the plunge yet
[19:20] <captine> Yolandre, you running it?
[19:22] <inetpro> Yolandre: I stick to LTS versions
[19:22]  * inetpro can't keep up with frequent updates of non-LTS versions
[19:22] <Kilos> ditto
[19:23] <confluency> inetpro: I can't log in; there's nothing to log in *with*.
[19:23] <Yolandre> Did my first installation today. A bit disappointed with Wine not performing in the manner I'm used to. Impressed with device driver support - adding Canon MX370 was a breeze and scanning works like a charm.
[19:23] <inetpro> confluency: are you registered on Launchpad?
[19:23] <confluency> Yes.
[19:23] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:24] <confluency> What is the process supposed to look like? If it's some kind of magical cross-site thing, my browser might be blocking it.
[19:24] <Yolandre> Still prefer 14.04 though.
[19:24] <confluency> I would expect a place to enter an OpenID url, but I just get a button. No for.
[19:24] <confluency> *form
[19:25] <inetpro> click the button
[19:25] <confluency> "Invalid OpenID transaction"
[19:25] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:25] <magespawn> inetpro: ty
[19:27] <inetpro> confluency: think it's a mess since Ubuntu One was discontinued
[19:27]  * inetpro trying to find a bug around the issue
[19:27] <Squirm> I'm bored
[19:27] <confluency> I've never used Ubuntu One. I'm not using any weird OS features that interact with the browser.
[19:28] <confluency> It might be µBlock blocking cross-site requests. I think I had to whitelist OpenID stuff in AdBlock.
[19:29] <inetpro> ahh, might be that yes
[19:29] <mazal> Night everyone
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: you can get his details here for now https://launchpad.net/~confluence
[19:29] <Kilos> night mazal
[19:29] <confluency> I'm not a he.
[19:29] <Kilos> let me try
[19:30] <mazal> Sleep well , God bless
[19:30] <Kilos> you too ty maza
[19:30] <Kilos> ai!
[19:31] <inetpro> oh goodnes
[19:31] <Kilos> what?
[19:31] <inetpro> sorry confluency
[19:31] <confluency> nvm, it was a cookie issue.
[19:31] <Kilos> yay
[19:32] <magespawn> awesome sauce
[19:32] <confluency> Now I get to an UbuntuOne login screen.
[19:32] <inetpro> well done!
[19:33] <magespawn> i think sometimes irc might facilitate multiple personalities
[19:34] <captine> lol
[19:37] <captine> just heard of a different ubuntu based distro.. ubermix..
[19:37] <captine> another educational version
[19:37] <captine> like edubuntu
[19:39] <Kilos> confluency  its nice to have you back here again
[19:40] <Kilos> still some more of the old croud i need to get back here
[19:40] <confluency> Hmm, now the actual login is hanging.
[19:40] <Kilos> crowd
[19:40] <Kilos> eish
[19:41] <confluency> OK, it worked eventually.
[19:41] <Kilos> yay
[19:42] <confluency> Can't seem to edit the page, though.
[19:42] <Kilos> ai!
[19:42] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[19:43] <magespawn> i thin you still have to click on edit, on the menu bar at the top of the page
[19:43] <magespawn> s/thin/think
[19:43] <inetpro> confluency: please rephrase
[19:43] <inetpro> what's the problem there?
[19:44] <confluency> I don't think I have permissions to edit the Members page.  There is no edit link visible when I'm logged in.
[19:44] <inetpro> everyone has edit rights
[19:44] <inetpro> as long as you logged in
[19:45] <inetpro> can you post a screenshot?
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: where do you post screenshots?
[19:45] <Kilos> picpaste.com
[19:45] <confluency> Where is the edit link supposed to be? In the top menu?
[19:45] <Kilos> left top
[19:46] <confluency> I see "Immutable Page | Info | Attachments..."
[19:46] <confluency> Wait, hang on. Am I logged out again?
[19:46] <confluency> Nvm; multi-tab stupidity.
[19:47] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[19:48] <inetpro> nvm?
[19:48] <inetpro> does that mean nevermind?
[19:49] <Kilos> never mind
[19:49] <inetpro> ah
[19:49] <confluency> Yes. Everything is fine now.
[19:49] <Kilos> yay
[19:49]  * inetpro learning the lingo?
[19:49] <confluency> What are the row numbers for (on the members page)?
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: please explain ^^
[19:49] <Kilos> thats so i can number peeps according to join dates
[19:50] <Kilos> then pro will make them appear in order
[19:50] <inetpro> uh
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:50] <inetpro> no
[19:50] <Kilos> pro uses magic
[19:50] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[19:51] <Kilos> inetpro  i was thinking
[19:51] <Kilos> yaya it hurt
[19:51] <inetpro> that's dangerous
[19:51]  * inetpro *ducks*
[19:52] <Kilos> if one edits the whole thing in kate then saves to desktop say will the numbers then sort themselves
[19:52] <Kilos> something must surely recognise the diffs in numbers
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I would really take out that column
[19:53] <Kilos> ok you may
[19:53]  * Kilos ducks
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: the active column is also ambigious
[19:55] <Kilos> ok
[19:55] <magespawn> small words please, it is late, and a sunday
[19:55] <Kilos> he used that on me twice today
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn: open to more than one interpretation
[19:56] <Kilos> torture by text
[19:56] <Kilos> active means helps here or on the lists
[19:57] <inetpro> but some peeps are active on the mailing lists and not here
[19:57] <Kilos> but you can remove it if you like'
[19:57] <Kilos>  <Kilos> active means helps here or on the lists
[19:57] <inetpro> or active on other open source projects
[19:57] <Kilos> either either
[19:58] <Kilos> ya basically working towards forwarding linux in the world imo
[19:58] <inetpro> or could be engaging or ready to engage in physically energetic pursuits
[19:58] <Kilos> but especially ubuntu
[19:59] <Kilos> no man
[19:59] <inetpro> :-)
[19:59] <Kilos> even though that could help many geeks live longer
[19:59] <Kilos> pc peeps are all too unfit
[20:00] <Kilos> go sprint 100 metres and see how you feel
[20:00] <magespawn> indeed extreme development in one area does often lead to neglect in others
[20:08] <inetpro> magespawn: btw, here's even more on EXT4 for you
[20:08] <inetpro> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions
[20:08] <magespawn> inetpro: the part about editing and moving/deleting files and programs is very interesting
[20:09] <Kilos> wow you read so fast
[20:10] <magespawn> that has never been the problem, that recall of what i have read is
[20:11] <inetpro> magespawn: which part are you referring to?
[20:11] <Kilos> lol
[20:11]  * inetpro assuming he is referring to inodes
[20:12] <magespawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained > Editing Files
[20:12] <magespawn> yes indeed
[20:12] <inetpro> yep, that is rather interesting indeed
[20:12] <inetpro> comes in very handy when rotating log files
[20:13] <magespawn> you could delete a program/script while it is running so that when it is complete there is nothing left behind
[20:21] <Yolandre> Night all, my fate is felled... I have to rebuild a fresh Ubuntu 14.10 installation and replace it with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[20:22] <Kilos> ai!
[20:25] <Kilos> confluency  ty
[20:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:25] <Kilos> ty for the help inetpro  go sleep now, so you dont fall off the bike
[20:26] <inetpro> ai!
[20:26] <Kilos> wat
[20:26] <Kilos> ou mense moet vroeg slaap
[20:27] <Kilos> more is nog n dag
[20:27] <magespawn> bed time for me too, goog night all
[20:27] <magespawn> good night too
[20:28] <magespawn> exit
[21:04] <captine> night night
[22:12] <inetpro> fp


[01:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nvidia-prime [source] (focal-proposed) [0.8.16~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-prime [source] (focal-proposed) [0.8.16~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[06:36] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I think you wanted to ping ubuntu-release for sshuttle not u_buntu-archive
[06:36] <cpaelzer> coreycb: looking at https://github.com/sshuttle/sshuttle/releases/ it seems you might want to do either a full FFe with the release team OR do a pure bug-fix
[06:37] <cpaelzer> coreycb: the latter would seem like https://github.com/sshuttle/sshuttle/pull/712 + https://github.com/sshuttle/sshuttle/pull/668
[06:38] <cpaelzer> coreycb: and the latter would not even need an FFe or anything like it atm
[08:06] <vorlon`> is someone restarting the failing pandoc/riscv64 build in a loop?
[08:22] <LocutusOfBorg> I restarted it once, two days ago, because it was failed with no log
[08:22] <LocutusOfBorg> as well as some other armhf/arm64/ppc64el (bos2 was down)
[08:25] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ok. it's restarted at least twice today, and I also didn't notice any failure emails; maybe it's some automated launchpad thing
[08:26] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll keep an eye on it
[08:26] <vorlon> cheers
[08:30] <mardy> RAOF: hi! Sorry for the ping, I just wanted to make sure whether there's anything else we should do on our side to progress on this SRU bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/1959375
[08:33] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: so is the osmo-pcu/s390x autopkgtest failure a big-endian regression in libosmocore...
[08:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [source] (focal-proposed) [2.04-1ubuntu26.15]
[08:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (impish-proposed) [2022a-0ubuntu0.21.10]
[08:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (focal-proposed) [2022a-0ubuntu0.20.04]
[08:54] <vorlon> temporarily rolling back openbsc in -proposed, to build the version that's compatible with the libosmo-netif in Ubuntu
[09:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tzdata [source] (bionic-proposed) [2022a-0ubuntu0.18.04]
[09:16] <ricotz> sil2100, hello :), are there any issues with libreoffice/impish to be accepted into -updates?
[09:17] <sil2100> ricotz: hello! Didn't check, possibly not! I didn't manage to do my SRU shift yesterday - let me take a look now
[09:22] <toabctl> sil2100, hey. is there a reason why livecd-rootfs can not be added from the queue to proposed (for focal) ? I'm waiting for that since over a week and currently the Anbox builds are broken and need that change
[09:23] <sil2100> toabctl: will look in a moment as well!
[09:23] <toabctl> sil2100, thanks a lot!
[09:29] <ricotz> sil2100, ah I see, thank you
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (focal-proposed) [2.664.41]
[13:15] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, failed again with no log
[13:19] <seb128> worth asking on #launchpad maybe?
[13:19] <cjwatson> "failed with no log" -> builder crashed, just retry it
[13:20] <cjwatson> I already noticed some weird errors on riscv64 earlier today so I was starting on some reflashing anyway
[13:21] <cjwatson> Maybe I'll just put them all on manual and re-auto them as I reflash them
[13:24] <seb128> cjwatson, reading the backlog it seems it was already retried because the build failed a first time with no log so maybe a real issue behind?
[13:24] <seb128> or the builders are in a weird state as you said, let's see if your poking works
[13:25] <cjwatson> Reflashing rarely hurts, certainly
[15:18] <bdmurray> I retried glibc for focal on riscv5 yesterday and it failed with no log so I've tried again now
[15:19] <bdmurray> mardy: I'll have a look at shadow today
[16:32] <mardy> bdmurray: thanks!!
[16:36] <holmanb> bdmurray: We have attached all testing logs to the LP release bug and I just set tags to verification-done for cloud-init 22.1 release: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1961446
[17:36] <schopin> Could a good soul upload a rebuild of libnet-ssleay-perl against the new openssl 3.0.2 ? It apparently has strict checks against the OpenSSL version number. TIA
[17:51] <mdeslaur> schopin: sure, one sec
[17:53] <schopin> Oh, I asked on the wrong channel! Thanks anyway mdeslaur :)
[18:02] <mdeslaur> schopin: done
[18:07] <schopin> thx
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> Image building for the Ubuntu Studio images is getting some weird errors, not size related, not sure why this is happening. https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/jammy/dvd-20220322.2.log
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> A syntax error, it seems.
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> cjwatson: I hate to bug you, but ^ ?
[19:19] <sil2100> Hey
[19:19] <sil2100> Eickmeyer, cjwatson: don't worry, it's fixed now!
[19:19] <sil2100> Typo on my side, sorry
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Awesome, thanks. Any chance you can trigger a rebuild so we have something?
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> (I'm guessing it was a missing semicolon)
[19:21] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: let me trigger one after my test run of the riscv images finishes - I'll know then that everything is still in order
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Ok, thanks. :)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (impish-proposed/main) [2.20.11-0ubuntu71 => 2.20.11-0ubuntu71.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[19:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (focal-proposed/main) [2.20.11-0ubuntu27.21 => 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.22] (core, i386-whitelist)
[19:47] <sil2100> ...is the isotracker down?
[19:49] <sil2100> Now all builds are failing because of that...
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> oof
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> I didn't see the isotracker as being down, but it stands to reason.
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> Yep, confirmed, isotracker down.
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> Timed out.
[20:02] <sil2100> grrr
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> 🤦
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> Yay! It's back!
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shadow [source] (focal-proposed) [1:4.8.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shadow [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:4.5-1ubuntu2.3]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxc [source] (impish-proposed) [1:4.0.12-0ubuntu1~21.10.1]
[21:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxc [source] (focal-proposed) [1:4.0.12-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[21:10] <lucasmoura> Hi @RAOF, we have recently discovered an issue on release 27.7 of ubuntu-advantage-tools. I have addressed the issue on the new MRs and have emailed you the right branches to review. Let us know if we need to provide you any additional information for this SRU
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted landscape-client [source] (impish-proposed) [19.12-0ubuntu10.1]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted landscape-client [source] (focal-proposed) [19.12-0ubuntu4.3]
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted landscape-client [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.01-0ubuntu3.6]
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: ISO tracker is back up, but it won't let me retrigger a rebuild unless the last build was successful.
[21:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemtap [source] (impish-proposed) [4.4-2ubuntu0.1]
[21:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemtap [source] (focal-proposed) [4.2-3ubuntu0.1]
[21:33] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: running one now!
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Thanks! :)
[21:45] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: The SRU fixes for pam-ssh-agent-auth look different than that is in Jammy (I guess because of the sequence of events). Are there plans to update Jammy with the same patch?
[21:47] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: the only difference is the SRUs have the two patches combined into a single one
[21:48] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: I can certainly replace the two patches with a single one if you think it's worth doing
[21:49] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: No, that sounds silly thanks for the clarification
[21:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam-ssh-agent-auth [source] (impish-proposed) [0.10.3-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[21:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam-ssh-agent-auth [source] (focal-proposed) [0.10.3-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pam-ssh-agent-auth [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.10.3-1ubuntu0.1]
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (impish-proposed) [2.20.11-0ubuntu71.1]
[22:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (focal-proposed) [2.20.11-0ubuntu27.22]
[22:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evdi [source] (focal-proposed) [1.9.1-1ubuntu4~20.04.2]
[22:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.525.58]


[02:29] <ubotu> New bug: #116533 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "X green pixel corruption " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116533
[08:49] <ubotu> New bug: #30969 in xorg (main) "monitor goes to standby when playing a movie in totem fullscreen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30969
[08:49] <ubotu> New bug: #116480 in nvidia-settings (restricted) "Can only change resolution through nvidia-settings (dup-of: 92599)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116480
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #42322 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "VertRefresh is not read in 'xorg.conf" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42322
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #116568 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "SD Card Reader does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116568
[10:24] <ubotu> New bug: #74170 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Change MAC address locks up Ubuntu after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74170
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #116605 in mesa (main) "Have no idea what crashed. Newbie to Linux." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116605
[08:20] <bryce> heya guys
[08:21] <tepsipakki> hey bryce
[08:22] <kylem> hey dudes.
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #47552 in xorg (main) "Wrong Screen Resolution for External Monitor" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47552


[07:59] <mitya57> jbicha: hi, I see you tried to sync python-secretstorage, that is blocked on bug 1861268.
[08:03] <helio|afk> Seen like python m2crypto is failing to build against 20.04 ssl
[08:03] <helio|afk> /usr/include/openssl/stack.h:34:16: note: expected ‘OPENSSL_sk_copyfunc’ {aka ‘void * (*)(const void *)’} but argument is of type ‘void * (*)(void *)’
[08:03] <helio|afk> 34 | OPENSSL_STACK *OPENSSL_sk_deep_copy(const OPENSSL_STACK *,
[08:03] <helio|afk> |                ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[08:03] <helio|afk> SWIG/_m2crypto_wrap.c: In function ‘_wrap_stack_st_OPENSSL_STRING_stack_set’:
[08:03] <helio|afk> SWIG/_m2crypto_wrap.c:10372:19: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ‘struct stack_st_OPENSSL_STRING’
[11:42] <jbicha> mitya57: thanks
[12:49] <theloudspeaker_> cjwatson: I think debootstrap in bionic needs an update. doesn't have the groovy script yet. here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vqJMPx5Bwb/
[12:49] <theloudspeaker_> (tagged you coz found your name in the focal script.)
[12:52] <theloudspeaker_> ^^ bdmurray have a look please. (last time I had same problem, I had pinged you)
[13:29] <cjwatson> theloudspeaker_: Probably does, but I'm not going to have time for that I'm afraid
[13:30] <cjwatson> theloudspeaker_: Also it looks like there's already one in bionic-proposed.  See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap
[13:31] <theloudspeaker_> Oh. Yes.
[13:32] <theloudspeaker_> I will install that one.
[13:32] <theloudspeaker_> Thanks!
[13:32] <theloudspeaker_> Also, whats a .udeb file?
[13:35] <cjwatson> It's a package used as part of debian-installer.  Don't install it on a normal system
[14:36] <marcustomlinson> bdmurray: hey, could you please hit retry on the armhf build here: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/update-manager/groovy/armhf
[14:36] <marcustomlinson> I don't have the powers
[14:37] <bdmurray> The_LoudSpeaker: it is in -proposed for bionic and may get released to -updates early.
[14:38] <bdmurray> marcustomlinson: I've pushed the button
[14:38] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[15:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> bdmurray: Yup! cjwatson pointed that to me. Thanks!
[15:33] <rbasak> ahasenack: #certbot-devel please
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> hello wgrant how do I setup a riscv64 machine please?
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm trying to figure out the vtk7 bd-uninstall sadness (and vlc and ffmpeg and so on)
[15:48] <wgrant> LocutusOfBorg: http://people.ubuntu.com/~wgrant/riscv64/
[15:48] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like something not built
[15:48] <wgrant> There are a couple of bits of incredible fragility
[15:49] <wgrant> With tight arch-indep deps
[15:49] <LocutusOfBorg> are you already looking at them?
[15:49] <wgrant> e.g. iirc if libproxy doesn't build quickly enough gtk3 is uninstallable and libproxy is unbuildable
[15:49] <wgrant> no, just remember this from the bootstrap
[15:49] <wgrant> LocutusOfBorg: You should be able to repro this with chdist
[15:49] <wgrant> No need for an actual riscv64 machine
[15:50] <wgrant> It's likely a tight arch-indep dep loop, where riscv64 didn't build quite quickly enough
[15:50] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, screwed up libproxy, so meh
[15:51] <wgrant> May not have been libproxy, I don't remember
[15:51] <wgrant> But there are a couple of things where arch-indep skew breaks libgtk-3-dev very easily, and that breaks the owrld
[15:52] <LocutusOfBorg> sure thanks
[15:54] <wgrant>  libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 : Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common (= 2.40.0+dfsg-3) but 2.40.0+dfsg-4 is to be installed
[15:54] <wgrant> That was the other one, and libwacom can also do it
[16:02] <Laney> Does anyone have a reprepro with ddeb support lying around?
[23:38] <pqatsi> Where is the correct place to submit bug report to ZFS support on Focal?
[23:48] <sarnold> pqatsi: ubuntu-bug zfsutils-linux  should work
[23:49] <pqatsi> sarnold: thanks!]
[23:56] <pqatsi> sarnold: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1875767 - It's properlly reported?
[23:56] <sarnold> loooking
[23:59] <sarnold> pqatsi: do you by chance still have the full output in scrollback?


[07:32] <sagaci> Hello
[07:36] <jea> hi
[07:48] <sagaci> I'll try share some stuff on g+ for now
[07:52] <jea> sagaci: do you want access to the ubuntu-au g+ page?
[07:53] <sagaci> Maybe later... First plenary on in 10 min
[07:54] <jea> oh
[07:59] <sagaci_> Plenary in the next few mo
[08:02] <sagaci_> Video mono
[08:02] <sagaci_> Jono
[08:14] <sagaci_> Sabdlf on now
[13:16] <sagaci_> Valve on now
[13:17] <jea> ooh
[13:18] <jea> is there a live stream?
[13:18] <sagaci_> Ya
[13:20] <sagaci_> Launch pad users
[13:20] <sagaci_> Beta key
[13:21] <jea> ok
[13:23] <jea> so launchpad users get a beta key?
[13:23] <sagaci_> When it's ready
[13:24] <jea> ok. that is pretty good


 Damn
 What!!!
 What was that?
 Also I have my vmware phone interview today at 5. It's supposed to be around 90 mins long.
 The CC voting is over
[13:20] <ahoneybun> Well I'm on the UCC
 @ahoneybun https://webpass.net/denver/ you can get "google fiber/webpass" in your area maybe.
 @govatent, Nice. Make sure to bring up dogecoin, this will get you in fo sho
 Seriously though, what kinda work would you be doing? :)
 Sysops support team
 Score!!!
 Neat.  Y u no raspi though?
 I have emulators on my shield console.
 And with the wireless adb, I can just download and transfer the files from my desktop.
 Starfox 2 will take a while to make it to emulators. It is not a simple ROM dump as it needs dedicated hardware (on a real snes cartridge) that was never released (SuperFX2). It will take a while for developers to reverse engineer it and impliment it in an emilator
 you all system76 fans need to get into the Fan Club room and be cool
 fan club room? @ahoneybun
 https://t.me/system76_chat
 A wild emma
 Beer pong time!
 You get to drink at work?
 It happens
 yea lol at work too
 *lunch
 Nice


[06:19] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Out internet got fixed early, so i'm back now. lp:~noskcaj/gnome-settings-daemon/nm-0.9.10 has been made, and i've packaged gnome-battery-bench in my staging ppa
[06:59] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok thanks, g-s-d looks correct
[07:00] <darkxst> I don't have time to look at gnome-battery-bench, maybe see if ricotz can
[07:02] <Noskcaj> ricotz, I've packaged gnome-battery-bench in ppa:noskcaj/gnome3-staging, could you please look over it?
[08:13] <ricotz> Noskcaj, use the corresponding -dev packages instead of build-dep on gir1.2-* packages, run wrap-and-sort, looks into "AM_CONDITIONAL(BUILD_DOCS, [ test $ASCIIDOC != x  -a $XMLTO != x ])"
[14:58] <LinDol> hi all
[20:24] <Noskcaj> ricotz, should be fixed now
[22:00] <JDAIII> yay! finally upgraded to gnome 3.14. still can't scale my second monitor without issues of mouse contention but my machine didn't blow up


[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3166 UNAPPROVED queue
[09:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3169 UNAPPROVED queue
[09:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3170 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[10:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3170 Diff missing
[11:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3160 Diff missing
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3166 Needs rebuild due to burned version number
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3169 Proposed pocket
[14:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3171 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Preparing packages
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3171 Failed to build
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Dependency wait (bionic/unity). Pending binary packages (bionic/compiz)
[15:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Dependency wait (bionic/unity). Successfully built (bionic/compiz)
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Preparing packages
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Pending binary packages (bionic/unity). Successfully built (bionic/compiz)
[16:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Successfully built
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Publishing packages
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Publish failed: Bad merges
[17:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Preparing packages
[17:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161 Preparing packages
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Successfully built
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[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Publishing packages
[19:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161 Preparing packages
[19:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3156 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[19:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3138 Proposed pocket
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161 Successfully built
[22:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161 Publishing packages
[22:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3161 UNAPPROVED queue


 I finally have some time for Qt 5.15.5 and I started preparing it in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4885/+packages
 It is 22.04.1 point release this week, plus I have some SRUs to do. Hopefully from the weekend I can be of some help if needed (re @mitya57: I finally have some time for Qt 5.15.5 and I started preparing it in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4885/+packages)


[11:41] <jetienne> q. when somebody with good knowledge of unionfs ? if i modify a file, it copies the whole file and then do the modficiation ? or does it store only the modification ?
[11:53] <cjwatson> jetienne: my understanding is the former
[11:54] <jetienne> cjwatson: no issue if i modify the first byte of a 5gbyte file ?
[11:56] <cjwatson> then you'll suddenly find 5GB more data in the overlay part of your filesystem :-)
[11:57] <jetienne> cjwatson: cool :) thanks
[11:57] <cjwatson> unionfs is not bad at dealing with partial changes to entire filesystems efficiently, but it is not really designed to do the same for individual files
[12:20] <ev> I'm just waiting for 2.6.32-12 to hit the archive, then I'll push out a new d-i with the kernel version bump and console-setup fix.
[12:22] <StevenK> ev: I didn't NEW it since it hadn't built everywhere and accepting kernels is a large pain.
[12:23] <ev> no worries
[12:38] <ev> cjwatson: is it okay with you if I add an item to the sprint agenda for the two of us to sit down with michaelforrest and discuss the installer design spec, or would you prefer to handle that via email / comments in the document?
[12:42] <cjwatson> ev: agenda fine
[12:42] <ev> cool, thanks
[12:42] <cjwatson> though perhaps consider me optional just in case
[12:42] <ev> sure thing
[12:54] <exlt> 20081029ubuntu79 no longer functions as a workaround to console-setup kbd grok.. :(  appears the 2.6.32-10 udebs are no longer on mirrors
[12:54] <exlt> ev: thanks for working on the fixup - I see the cia notes on it
[12:55] <exlt> and cjwatson :)
[13:55] <dmarkey> is it possible to give a http url for preseed/file with the cdrom
[13:59] <cjwatson> no, that's the purpose of preseed/url
[15:07] <dmarkey> cjwatson: thanks
[15:24] <ev> superm1: apologies for taking so long to get to it, but I'm reviewing your branch now.
[15:24] <superm1> ev, cool thanks, not a big problem
[19:56] <cr3> my usual preseed now seems to prompt the user for "configure the keyboard", when this use to be answered automatically
[20:05] <cody-somerville> cr3, d-i or ubiquity?
[20:06] <cr3> cody-somerville: d-i
[20:07] <cr3> cody-somerville: but if there's a change I should know about in ubiquity too, I'm interested. I could test it in a moment
[20:07] <cody-somerville> cr3, Sounds like you're missing "auto" from your boot arguments.
[20:16] <ev> cr3: it's a known bug
[20:16] <ev> it's been adddressed, I've just been waiting on kernel builds so I can push out a new d-i
[20:17] <ev> which I'll do now, actually
[20:17] <cr3> ev: thank!
[20:22] <CIA-3> debian-installer: evand * r1232 debian-installer/debian/changelog: No-change rebuild to pick up new components.
[20:24] <ev> (wasn't NEW'ed yet, that will have to wait until tomorrow)
[20:27] <CIA-3> debian-installer: evand * r1233 debian-installer/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu81
[20:28] <ev> cr3: tomorrow's CDs should be fixed ^
[20:28] <cr3> ev: you rock, thanks!
[20:28] <ev> sure thing
[20:28] <cr3> ev: do you know if the bug also affects ubiquity? I'll be trying an automated install in a moment
[20:29] <ev> I don't believe it does
[20:35] <ev> superm1: looks good.  Am I okay to merge this (I've made a few small typo corrections)?
[22:21] <superm1> ev, yeah it's in good shape to merge
[22:21] <superm1> there's some pages that need UI work with it still, but those will be worked out later
[22:22] <superm1> i think there should only be one merge conflict currently and it should be clear what to do with it
[22:25] <superm1> although you need to make sure that https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/debian-cd/fix-autologin/+merge/18059 is merged before the next ubiquity release
[22:33] <ev> hooray, znc playback actually worked for once
[22:35] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3718 ubiquity/ (29 files in 9 dirs): Merge with Mario's Mythbuntu plugin branch.
[22:36] <superm1> ev, cool thanks.  curious, what's znc provide over bip?
[22:36] <ev> for me, a iPhone push notifications plugin that doesn't work because I was silly enough to pick a two character IRC nick
[22:37] <superm1> haha
[22:37] <superm1> ah it looks like it's more featureful than bip for sure as i'm reading their pages
[22:37] <superm1> a webadmin ui?  bip has a flat text file that is pia to configure unless you copy it from kirkland` to start
[22:40] <ev> lol
[22:41] <ev> this also lets you configure interactively from the shell, or create a minimal configuration and use "saveconfig" IRC messages to *admin.
[22:42] <CIA-3> tzsetup: evand * r509 tzsetup/ (debian/changelog tzsetup):
[22:42] <CIA-3> tzsetup: Fix the sed statement around the geoip detection to account for the
[22:42] <CIA-3> tzsetup: XML being on a single line.
[22:42] <ev> ugh, a million times fail ^
[22:45] <superm1> i'll have to add it to my list of stuff to play with at some point
[22:47] <CIA-3> tzsetup: evand * r510 tzsetup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.26ubuntu3
[22:53] <ev> hrm, quitting ubiquity seems to just run the component over again now
[22:58] <superm1> hm, can't say i tried that... was the previous handler dependent on looking for self.current_page == None?
[23:01] <superm1> i think that's what it was.  so the alternative would be to reinstate that break on current_page = None, and instead don't set it to none during progress_loop
[23:03] <ev> indeed, though it needs to return from there
[23:03] <ev> as breaking will show the reboot dialog
[23:13] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3719 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py: Properly exit the plugin loop when the quit button is pressed.
[23:13] <ev> I really need to do something about ubiquity/keyboard_names.py, I suspect that's seriously slowing us down.
[23:14] <ev> what with it being gigantic
[23:29] <cjwatson> ooh, of course, translations would have expanded it rather a bit
[23:30] <cjwatson> must do interesting things to memory use too :)
[23:32] <ev> indeed, that's what I mean
[23:32] <ev> apologies for the confusing wording
[23:33] <ev> it's over a megabyte of python data structure goodness
[23:33] <ev> clearly that's abuse :)
[23:37] <cjwatson> it sort of made sense to reformat the original perl as python to start with, but yeah, maybe a quick-to-parse text file or set of files would be better now
[23:40] <ev> yeah, definitely.  I've noted this so I don't forget.
[23:41] <ev> damn, monodevelop-python's as you type syntax checking is so far thoroughly disappointing


[20:24] <dogi> ping davidfarning
[23:51] <davidfarning> dogi-- I just the the logs of the infrastructure meeting everything looks on track.


 how i can get ubuntu pro updates for kubuntu?
[00:25] <tomreyn> the same way as for ubuntu server. i'd say.
 No compatibility problems with Kubuntu? (re @deuti_filius_dei: how i can get ubuntu pro updates for kubuntu?)
[07:28] <valorie> @boospy - Kubuntu IS ubuntu
 with kde
[08:12] <skramer> I'm a bit lost... Can anyone pls help me find out the URL of the planet.ubuntuusers.de RSS / Atom feed. Thanks in advance.
[08:20] <skramer> And how come some feeds are not marked as read in Akregator while others are (same settings)?
[08:22] <skramer> Is there anything I might need to configure besides "normal" settings?
 Yes, of course I know that. I just wanted to ask to be on the safe side, since it has a different desktop and that there are no compatibility problems. Thank you very much (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> @boospy - Kubuntu IS ubuntu)
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:58] <skramer> When will be the bug fixed where snap applications do not respect the cursor setups?
[11:59] <skramer> It is so anoying...
 Hello. Is there an Ubuntu image for ARM Apple M1 processors?
 kubuntu
 Hello. Is there an Kubuntu image for ARM Apple M1 processors?
[15:10] <tomreyn> avre001: nothing supported, i think, but there is https://ubuntuasahi.org/
 anyone here upgrade to the 24.04 beta and notice that non-KDE apps are missing from the system tray?
 someone in the IRC said the same thing so must be a bug with KDE (re @IrcsomeBot: <guruprasad> I installed Kubuntu 24.04 and have been working on setting it up. One issue that I am noticing is that non-KDE apps that have been configured to minimize to system tray and/or show a system tray icon do not appear in the system tray area no matter what. Is this a known issue?)
[15:13] <tomreyn> i wouldn't expect upgrades to work out at this point.
[15:14] <tomreyn> (nor be supported - we're at beta)
[15:30] <bunjee> newbie here....please help me setup a HP deskjet 2700.
[15:30] <bunjee> I've already installed the HPLIP.
[15:31] <bunjee> anyone on?
[15:32] <bunjee> really don't know how this works.
[15:32] <genii> System Settings...Hardware...Printers..Add Printer
[15:34] <bunjee> geni : tried several times....failed.
[15:41] <genii> If it's connected by the USB cable it should be detected
 can i create a shortcut in dolphin for creating a file
 and what is the bell in konsol when i press left or right arrow
[19:49] <bunjee> it is wireless.
 what?
 JO6
 oqm1
 o7m1
 gtp7
 Hello, one question, does Ubuntu pro covers also the other flavors of Ubuntu, like Kubuntu?
[22:14] <user|90> hello,
[22:14] <user|90> i just downloaded and installed twice 24.04 kubuntu
[22:15] <user|90> the first time was with a 120 hhd and it was awful...the second time with a 500 ssd and boy was that good
[22:16] <user|90> i think you may have something there...BUT during the installation process.  it kept showing Lbuntu.   not sure about that..
[22:17] <user|90> its is all up to date and working just fine...even the printer...recognized it and i have even printer to it..  test page   but that
[22:17] <user|90> but that works
[22:17] <user|90> i think i spelled   lubuntu wrong
[23:03] <mparillo> The branding will be changed from Lubuntu to Kubuntu, perhaps as soon as tomorrows ISO. But no worries, you installed Kubuntu.
[23:04] <valorie> right, branding is just now rolling out
[23:05] <valorie> see https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/1c7e1vr/noble_numbat_release_candidate_classic_kde_3era/
[23:05] <valorie> to see screenies


[06:37] <MartijnVdS>   morning everyone
[08:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:34] <AlanBell> morning
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning? It's nearly afternoon already!
[08:36] <popey> pip pip
[08:36] <bigcalm> Yes. It's nearly time for Shropgeek tomorrow morning
[08:37] <bigcalm> A sort of day off work
[08:41] <AlanBell> anyone know about SIP proxies?
[08:42] <AlanBell> I want to have something between handsets and an external SIP PBX that can pick up the inbound callerID and can initiate an outbound call
[08:45] <bigcalm> AlanBell: *?
[08:45] <bigcalm> AlanBell: of which I know diddly squat
[08:46] <AlanBell> that is one possibility, however it is kind of for people who don't want a local PBX
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy European Day of Languages! :-D
[08:57] <bigcalm> JamesTait: Och aye the noo?
[08:57] <JamesTait> Aye!
[08:57]  * bigcalm attempts to bait mgdm
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:26] <popey> \o/ http://popey.mooo.com/minecraft/   \o/ British Isles map
[09:27] <mgdm> ?lastlog mgdm
[09:27] <mgdm> oops
[09:27] <mgdm> oh, it was bigcalm
[09:27] <mgdm> remind me to abuse him later
[09:28] <bigcalm> Bwuhaha
[09:30] <bigcalm> popey: your connection being hammered now?
[09:30] <popey> a bit
[09:30] <popey> not too bad
[09:31]  * Seeker` wants to see BW graphs :P
[09:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6158042/
[09:34] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6158047/ more history
[09:37] <popey> i suspect there are a few people trying to find their own house on it
[09:37] <MooDoo> popey: give everyone access to your minecraft map so ubuntu users can build a house or something at their location :D
[09:37] <popey> its open access
[09:37] <MooDoo> cool
[09:38] <popey> same hostname
[09:41] <bigcalm> I'm in the sea
[09:41] <bigcalm> Which is 1 block deep
[09:42] <popey> you spawn in the solent
[09:42] <popey> between southampton water and the isle of wight
[09:42] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:42]  * popey opped bigcalm
[09:42] <bigcalm> Aww, I left
[09:43] <popey> i know ☻
[09:46] <bigcalm> Big Brother is watching
[10:26] <popey> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Region-SIM-Lock-bei-Samsungs-Galaxy-Note-3-1967044.html  lol samsung
[10:26] <popey> region locking phones
[10:28] <bigcalm> Wah, that's horrible
[10:29] <bigcalm> I wonder at what level that would be enforced. If one were able to run Ubuntu Touch on it, would it then work with any sim for instance?
[10:30] <mungbean> what samsung don't need to do this
[10:32] <mungbean> kiddies first day at nursery today...he's just a tad excited
[10:32] <popey> hehe
[10:32] <popey> bigcalm: dunno if it's done internally in the firmware
[10:34] <mgdm> bigcalm: I think it's done in the 'baseband' bit (the bit that handles the air interface, as I understand it)
[10:37] <gordonjcp> it may be that the RF strip only handles EU frequencies
[10:38] <mungbean> any perlverts here?
[10:38] <mungbean> in bash i can do:
[10:38] <mungbean>  cat users.csv.3|while IFS=, read firstname surname email username
[10:38] <mungbean>  do echo "$firstname|$surname|$email|$username"
[10:38] <mungbean> done
[10:39] <mungbean> how can i hack this into a perl script
[10:39] <mungbean> the perl script already exists to create user accounts, taking arguments interactively on the command line
[10:40] <mungbean> i want to either call the perl script with parameters or inesrt the loop in the perl script
[10:43] <SuperMatt> oh god
[10:43] <SuperMatt> I wanted to type renice
[10:43] <SuperMatt> ended up typing remince
[10:49] <mungbean> ok think i fixed my poblem by passing command line params to perl
[10:51] <popey> directhex: thanks for the air tips, helped the guy test his app and he's going to update his kickstarter to reflect linux support...
[10:51] <mungbean> \o/
[10:52] <popey> although he's currently trending towards ~54% of his goal ☹
[10:52] <popey> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/770576827/color-0/
[10:53] <popey> \o/ Jabber
[10:53] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[10:53] <SuperMatt> I just typed remince again >.<
[10:54] <directhex> popey, i don't really have an understanding of the cost of development of a game on that scale, so i can't make an informed decision on whether to back it
[10:54] <mungbean> popey: anything like http://www.amazon.com/Trinket-Studios-Inc-Color-Sheep/dp/B00DY8TLA0 ?
[10:54] <bigcalm> Shame about the spelling
[10:54] <directhex> popey, for every game kickstarter, i ask myself "how long will this take? how many people? how much am i effectively paying them?" - if the numbers don't add up, i don't back
[10:55] <popey> tbh it looks mostly done
[10:55] <popey> game mechanics wise, needs loads more levels
[10:55] <AlanBell> the framework is done, lots of interesting levels need designing
[10:55] <popey> and there's some glitchy UI issues
[10:56] <popey> interestingly it offers mouse or joypad to play
[10:56] <popey> I used trackpoint which was way nicer
[10:56] <dogmatic69> popey: I lol'ed at 'one horsepower'
[10:56] <popey> felt like I really had direct control of the character with my finger
[10:56] <popey> ☻
[10:56] <AlanBell> I will probably back it when it updates with linux support
[10:56] <popey> by "linux support" it means "install an outdated version of Adobe Air"
[10:56] <popey> which works
[10:57] <popey> but is a bit bleh
[10:57] <popey> works well on my 1080p display i7, it's not exactly taxing
[11:01] <popey> dogmatic69: that reply is getting a surprising number of faves and RT's
[11:03] <dogmatic69> well JC has 2m + followers
[11:03] <dogmatic69> and it was pretty funny imo
[11:04] <mungbean> despite being a womanising cheat
[11:05] <popey> lunchtime!
[11:05] <dogmatic69> popey: about 2 or 3 already with the same response, yours was first though :
[11:05] <popey> \o/
[11:05] <directhex> popey, i guess i don't know what £5 is paying for. graph suggests about £2k4 on game development? what does that *mean*?
[11:05] <directhex> er, £5k
[11:05] <directhex> a full-time junior programmer for a month?
[11:05] <dogmatic69> where do junior devs get £5k per month?
[11:06] <dogmatic69> that is £60k pa
[11:07] <SuperMatt> oh most of it will go to the HR department
[11:07] <SuperMatt> because hiring a junior means they saved so much money, those savings go to their bonuses
[11:08] <dogmatic69> IT job watch says otherwise http://awesomescreenshot.com/0c21rb7801
[11:10] <directhex> dogmatic69, 2.4k on development costs, not 5k
[11:10] <directhex> dogmatic69, and the cost of hiring an employee is about double his or her salary alone - taxes, estates costs, equipment costs, etc
[11:11] <dogmatic69> taxes?
[11:12] <SuperMatt> well the employer has to contribute to national insurance
[11:12] <mgdm> NI contributions etc
[11:16] <dogmatic69> NI is deducted from the gross salary, HMRC "The amount you earn before tax and National Insurance are deducted is your 'gross salary'."
[11:16] <dogmatic69> so no cost to the company over and above the salary.
[11:16] <SuperMatt> Your contribution is
[11:16] <SuperMatt> but the employer also contributes
[11:17] <SuperMatt> at least, that's what I've always been lead to believe
[11:20] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:22] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:26] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:26] <davmor2> hey bigcalm MooDoo :)
[11:49] <SuperMatt> all right, my work PC is now buttered
[12:06] <diddledan> SuperMatt: and jam?
[12:06] <SuperMatt> no, just btrfs
[12:28] <popey> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/uva-the-linux-powered-games-console  lol
[12:28] <popey> SuperMatt: yay
[12:28] <popey> brave
[12:29] <SuperMatt> I know :/
[12:29] <mungbean> sounds a bit like ouya
[12:29] <SuperMatt> It can't be *that* bad when you consider how many distros are now adding it as an option
[12:29] <mungbean> and a bit ...biological.
[12:30] <popey> 5 million though
[12:30] <SuperMatt> and no one is going to say if it's production ready or not until *someone* bothers using it in production!
[12:30] <mungbean> looks like a stretched wii
[12:31] <mungbean> steam console will be re-purposable i'm sure
[12:38] <bigcalm> Anybody got a how to record skype calls handy?
[12:43] <directhex> FREAKING WIFI
 popey, those gpu specs don't exist
 the memory bandwidth and clock rate say Radeon HD 7950 Boost
 <directhex> also use of the term "stream processors" means AMD
 <directhex> but that's not a number of streams on any AMD GPU
 <directhex> oh
 <directhex> cpu is an amd a10-5800k
 <directhex> so he's adding together on-die gpu plus discrete gpu
 <directhex> in theory the latest version of fglrx supports this behaviour
 <directhex> basically, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/04
[12:45] <popey> haha
[12:45] <popey> bigcalm: skype call recorder, works fine
[12:45] <bigcalm> Just found it and it works for me as well
[12:45] <bigcalm> popey: thanks :)
[12:45] <popey> np
[12:52] <Myrtti> oh man
[12:52] <Myrtti> sister's cat had been found dead in their garden
[12:52] <Myrtti> she called me in hysterics about an hour ago
[12:53] <mgdm> awwww, no
[12:53] <diddledan> :-(
[12:56] <popey> ☹
[12:56] <mungbean> :( natural causes?
[12:57] <Myrtti> probably not, he was barely a year old
[12:57] <mungbean> oh :(
[13:01] <daftykins> never forget the day i saw one of a pair of kittens we had trying to walk back to the house but she couldn't co-ordinate herself
[13:01] <daftykins> i think it was a brain tumour in the end
[13:01] <daftykins> poor little thing
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: do you have a saucy pc knocking about?  If so could you open USC and let me know if the for purchase section is filling up nicely please :)
[14:14] <popey> ya
[14:15] <popey> it is
[14:15] <davmor2> popey: \o/ ta
[14:16] <davmor2> popey: only 830 to go
[14:16] <popey> oof
[14:16] <popey> Be nice when we switch to click packages for the desktop :D
[14:19]  * AlanBell starts USC
[14:20]  * AlanBell taps fingers and stares at a grey window
[14:20]  * AlanBell wonders if it is doing anything
[14:20] <AlanBell> oh, it crashed :(
[14:21] <popey> took a second or two here
[14:21] <popey> 3 seconds
[14:22] <AlanBell> ok, it runs from the command line
[14:22] <AlanBell> and now it starts in 5 seconds or so from the launcher
[14:22] <brobostigon> usc?
[14:23] <AlanBell> software-centre
[14:23] <brobostigon> ah.
[14:24] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[14:24] <daftykins> i find as i get older i forget which spellings are the US and which are the British variant :<
[14:25] <diddledan> daftykins: then you're using the americam variety :-p
[14:25] <daftykins> american cameras? :>
[14:25] <diddledan> lol
[14:25] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ap43ou27y3lyx7i/IMG_20130926_135040.jpg
[14:25] <diddledan> single finger typing
[14:25] <daftykins> found this little guy hanging from my specs before
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah, cameras that send everything to the NSA ;)
[14:28] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: please, that was so last month :(
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: unfortunately, it's also this month
[14:29] <daftykins> and beyond!
[14:42] <mungbean> bash emergency!
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: What's up?
[14:42] <mungbean>  cat bulk.csv|while IFS=, read firstname surname email username
[14:42] <mungbean>  do ./test.pl "$firstname" "$surname" $email $username
[14:42] <mungbean> done
[14:42] <mungbean> my test runs over the whole csv file
[14:43] <mungbean> when i run it against a longer useradd script if only works for the first name in the list
[14:46] <mungbean> any ideas?
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> I'd teach the perl script to do the split (using something like Text::CSV_XS, or just plain "split")
[14:47] <mungbean> yes, but i'mnot v good at perl and time is of the essence :(
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: my ($firstname, $surname, $email, $username) = split /,/, $ARGV[0];
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> or similar
[14:48] <mungbean> ( $fn, $sn, $email, $username ) = @ARGV;
[14:48] <mungbean> i use that in the perl script
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> replace @ARGV with "split /,/, $ARGV[0]"
[14:49] <mungbean> then which argument do i pass to the pl script?
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> and go: for x in `cat file`; do perl foo.pl $x; done
[14:49] <mungbean> thanks, i'll try!
[14:49] <mungbean> what was i doing wrong?
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea, I'm baffled by harder shell code :)
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> (yet I know perl..)
[14:52] <mungbean> hmm..doens't work
[14:52] <diddledan> I really want to work out perl's more complex capabilities like redefining language constructs
[14:53] <diddledan> having a language that can be entirely different just by loading a module sounds really fun to master
[14:53] <mungbean> doesn't like it if a field is joe,bloggs senior,email,user
[14:53] <diddledan> mungbean: try quoting $x in the do perl foo.pl "$x"
[14:54] <mungbean> nope
[14:54] <diddledan> shell expansions are a black art
[14:54] <mungbean> its the way the perl is splitting it
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: you don't want that in Perl, source filters are considered evil, and the new way to do it (manipulating the parse/optrees) is a bit of a black art
[15:16] <mungbean> is the problem with my read line?
[15:26] <diddledan__> oddness. one of my external discs (I think) is causing IO to grind to a halt on my mac
[15:27] <daftykins> D:
[15:27] <daftykins> SMART status all green?
[15:28] <diddledan__> does SMART work over usb?
[15:28] <MartijnVdS> sometimes
[15:29] <diddledan__> and.. I can't check because my mac is unresponsive
[15:29] <diddledan__> I've got this terminal as the only functionable app
[15:29] <diddledan__> and irssi is running on a separate host
[15:31] <daftykins> XD
[15:32] <daftykins> my file server was freezing recently, in the early hours of the morning two saturdays in a row
[15:32] <daftykins> turned it off, (a rare thing) reseated each disk connector and it's been fine since
[15:36] <diddledan> and we just shut down with no warning - beyond a KP it was a hard power cycle without the friendly panic grey-screen-of-death
[15:36] <diddledan> I reported the issue to apple
[15:42] <daftykins> hah
[15:42] <daftykins> how very optimistic of you, sir
[15:42] <diddledan> it was their automatic crash reporting mechanism - I'm not expecting any return
[15:42] <daftykins> i disable the Windows one ^_^
[15:43] <diddledan> yeah, I would disable this one, but it's not pirated :-p
[15:50] <diddledan> (and/or I wasn't watching pr0n at the time of the crash) :-p
[15:59] <zleap> lol
[15:59] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/089
[15:59] <mungbean> was my solution
[15:59] <mungbean> had to add </dev/null
[16:04] <Azelphur> Hmm, nginx is being a tad stupid, I've set it up to basic auth my phpmyadmin install, it prompts for a password, and when you hit cancel, it just lets you in anyway.
[16:04]  * Azelphur facedsks
[16:15] <daftykins> whoopsie   884     1  0 Sep25 ?        00:00:00 whoopsie
[16:15] <daftykins> ^ is that a known thing? O_O
[16:16] <daftykins> it's in my ps -ef output from a 12.04 VM
[16:16] <daftykins> (server)
[16:18] <popey> yeah
[16:18] <popey> it gathers crashdumps
[16:18] <daftykins> ah ok :)
[16:18] <daftykins> thanks
[16:18] <popey> it's half of whoopsie-daisy
[16:18] <daftykins> XD
[16:18] <popey> daisy being the backend
[16:19] <daftykins> i'm playing with multi-user screen sessions
[16:19] <popey> ☻
[16:19] <SuperMatt> I'm playing with lxc and I'm probably going to replace all my VMs with it
[16:19] <BigRedS> Ah yeah, containers are brilliant
[16:19] <BigRedS> for some things
[16:19] <SuperMatt> well, most of the time I just need some kind of environment for testing conf changes
[16:20] <SuperMatt> containers are *perfect* for that
[16:20] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:20] <BigRedS> I used VZ for a bit, but for some reason I use KVM now
[16:20] <BigRedS> well, virt-manager
[16:20]  * SuperMatt nods
[16:20] <SuperMatt> I'm using that too for my windows 7 vms
[16:20] <SuperMatt> because I can't escape that
[16:20] <SuperMatt> but it's going to be nice to remove virtualbox
[16:21] <BigRedS> yeah, I stopped using VB because i didn't like the word 'Oracle' being everywhere
[16:21] <SuperMatt> I don't like it either
[16:22] <diddledan> I don't like the word oracle even existing in relation to a company - the whole thing is the opposite of google - they have the mantra of "do lots of evil"
[16:23] <diddledan> I _hate_ that mysql and bdb and various other databases are all shoehorned into oracle ownership
[16:23] <SuperMatt> hurrr
[16:23] <SuperMatt> that's true
[16:23] <SuperMatt> but I'm now using maria
[16:24] <diddledan> effectively if it's sql and not microsoft then it's oracle
[16:24] <diddledan> although I think postgres is still standalone?
[16:24] <SuperMatt> it is
[16:24] <SuperMatt> and I would love to move a lot of my stuff there
[16:24] <SuperMatt> but a lot of my stuff only uses mysql -.-
[16:24] <diddledan> I've never worked out how to use postgres
[16:25] <SuperMatt> it's quite simple when you work your head around the security
[16:25] <SuperMatt> I don't think the ubuntu blog explains it very well, but then again, I don't think anyone can explain it particularly well
[16:25] <diddledan> yeah, I recall the security blocking me and me saying foo this
[16:26] <diddledan> this was many years ago now tho
[16:28] <Azelphur> does anyone know why the user created by these mysql queries cannot login? http://pastebin.com/KzbyuKAR
[16:28] <Azelphur> I get access denied when trying to mysql -ualex -pPassword
[16:28] <diddledan> Azelphur: you have a user account for ""@localhost which isn't allowed to login which gets matched first
[16:29] <diddledan> replace the % with localhost and you'll be set
[16:29] <Azelphur> ah I see
[16:29] <diddledan> you may need both @localhost and @% if you need to connect remotely
[16:30] <diddledan> in addition to locally
[16:30] <diddledan> damn my enter-key-happy pinkie finger!
[16:32] <Azelphur> locally is fine really, I should have set locally to start with
[16:35] <BigRedS> % matches localhost
[16:36] <diddledan> BigRedS: yes, but localhost matches localhost first
[16:41] <BigRedS> oh
[16:41] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:41] <BigRedS> There's only about 20 lines of context and I still missed it...
[16:46] <AlanBell> !info libxmlrpc-c3
[16:46] <AlanBell> so that appears to have gone, and I want it :(
[16:47] <AlanBell> !info libxmlrpc-c3-dev
[16:47] <AlanBell> but that is still there, wassup with that?
[16:47] <bigcalm> !info libxmlrpc-c
[16:47] <diddledan> maybe the binary failed to build?
[16:48] <AlanBell> !info libxmlrpc-core-c3
[16:48] <AlanBell> so, now we have -core-c3, but I have a package that depends on the original thing (if in fact they are the same)
[16:49] <diddledan> shouldn't -core-c3 "provide" -c3?
[16:49] <diddledan> that way it can still be satisfactory in terms of reverse dependencies
[16:54] <AlanBell> I think it probably should
[16:56] <diddledan> I don't get why it would have been renamed anywho
[16:57] <AlanBell> Replaces: libxmlrpc-c3, libxmlrpc-c3-0, libxmlrpc-core-c3-0
[16:57] <AlanBell> so it has a replaces line, but not a provides
[16:59] <diddledan> my naïveté says that replaces should be "good enough" for dpkg to say the package is installed
[16:59] <diddledan> I'm betting that there's a reason it doesn't
[16:59] <AlanBell> https://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
[16:59] <diddledan> alan_g|EOD: EOD? End of Dave?
[17:01] <diddledan> reah, method 2 has been traditionally what ubuntu has used
[17:01] <diddledan> yeah*
[17:01] <diddledan> afaict from anecdotal evidence
[17:02] <diddledan> things like the rename of flash-player to flash-plugin-installer for e.g.
[17:11] <AlanBell> downloaded the deb and did a dpkg -i --force-depends on it
[17:13] <AlanBell> woot!
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> woot?
[18:43] <ali1234> bigcalm: i got that QML camera working - it is packaged in ubuntu
[18:44] <bigcalm> ali1234: humm?
[18:44] <ali1234> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/multimediawidgets-declarative-camera.html
[18:44] <bigcalm> Ah
[18:45]  * bigcalm grumbles at learning another language
[18:45] <kecskebak> Blimey, Kubuntu has got Xye in the repository - I love this game! It's very like the BBC Micro game XOR.
[18:45] <ali1234> it's in qtmobility-examples
[18:45] <ali1234> it's only QML
[18:47] <bigcalm> I got the camera working in Ubuntu Touch. On the desktop it was fine. On the Galaxy Nexus, the image was sideways :)
[18:48] <ali1234> sideways?
[18:48] <bigcalm> Sideways
[18:48] <ali1234> how can it be sideways?
[18:48] <bigcalm> Rotated 90 deg
[18:48] <ali1234> in the preview you mean?
[18:48] <bigcalm> It was only a quick test
[18:48] <ali1234> is running on gnex a requirement?
[18:49] <bigcalm> Throwing the video thingy onto a page
[18:49] <bigcalm> No, just amused me
[18:49] <ali1234> ubuntu touch is QML so it will do the same thing
[18:49] <ali1234> probably
[18:49] <bigcalm> I'm going to be running it off a laptop and displayed on a 10" touch screen
[18:50] <ali1234> QML is really perfect for kiosk style apps like this
[18:50] <ali1234> it is exactly what it is designed for
[18:50] <ali1234> assuming the Qt backend works, which it usually does
[18:50] <bigcalm> I need to give it another shot. Been worn down by work recently
[18:51] <ali1234> what do you actually need aside from "press button, take photo"?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: instagram filters, "digital zoom" (crop & scale up) ?
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> flash on/off
[18:52] <MartijnVdS>  /auto
[18:52] <ali1234> the qml camera has flash on/off/auto
[18:52] <ali1234> but not zoom/filters
[18:52] <ali1234> those can of course be done afterwards
[18:54] <bigcalm> Video display of subject. Button to take photo. Count down before actually taking photo. Photo appears next to video with the option to discard. Repeat 4 times
[18:54] <bigcalm> Repeat per session
[18:55] <ali1234> it doesn't have a countdown and there is no option to discard
[18:55] <ali1234> but it has all the rest
[18:55] <bigcalm> I found an android app that does just that as described
[18:56] <bigcalm> It displayed the last 4 images taken and then starts a new session?
[18:56] <bigcalm> displays
[18:56] <ali1234> no, it just saves every photo you take and runs indefinitely
[18:56] <ali1234> it shows the photo after you take it though
[18:56] <ali1234> but full screen
[18:59] <ali1234> oh apparently it has zoom too
[19:00] <bigcalm> I'll give it a go in a bit
[19:00] <bigcalm> Sadly my 10" touch screen is at my parents' place. So will have to hope that laptop screen works for now
[19:00] <ali1234> you probably need multitouch so you can pinch to zoom
[19:01] <ali1234> there's no button for it that i can see
[19:02] <bigcalm> Not too interested in zooming. This is the screen: http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624
[19:03] <bigcalm> "multi-points" wonder if that means multi-touch
[19:04] <ali1234> yeah it does
[19:10]  * bigcalm ponders nipping to down the M5 at the weekend to get the touch screen back
[19:11] <bigcalm> Telford -> Wolverhampton -> Worcester -> Shrewsbury -> Telford
[19:11] <bigcalm> Humm
[19:45] <bigcalm> How does one set *.md to be opened in ReText?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: uhh..
[19:46] <bigcalm> Yeah, I'm not seeing it either :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> mailcap? mime.types?
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: /etc/gnome/defaults.list seems to do what you want
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> but that's system-wide
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> there must be a way to do it in ~
[19:48] <bigcalm> I'm happy for it to be system wide for my workstation. But I agree, there should be a per user option
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> probably http://askubuntu.com/questions/154906/which-default-list-should-i-modify-for-default-applications-and-what-are-the-dif
[19:51] <bigcalm> Right click, open with, select ReText
[19:51] <bigcalm> It's then associated with it
[19:51] <bigcalm> Magic!
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> magic!
[23:31] <diddledan> http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/26/4772680/bill-gates-admits-ctrl-alt-del-was-a-mistake#! yey