[00:20] <sinzui> thumper: yes, I will jigger it now
[00:44] <mwhudson_> davechen1y: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang/2:1.5~rc1-0ubuntu1 \o/
[00:49] <sinzui> thumper: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2985/job/joyent-deploy-jes-trusty-amd64/attempt/117 used --debug
[00:51] <davechen1y> mwhudson_: /me pops cork
[01:01] <sinzui> thumper: menn0: joyent's networking non-sense is often a cause of not downloading agents from the state-server. That is the main reason for the reties on joyent jobs. Even when agents are started, the units fail. I think you can see thie in the 117 ^ attempt.
[01:46] <thumper> sinzui: the unit agent failure is almost certainly a problem with JES and the new debug log writer
[01:46] <thumper> menn0: ^^
[01:46] <thumper> sinzui: the failing to download tools in the machine agents cloud init is something else
[01:47] <thumper> menn0: I'm guessing the new manifold bollocks for the log sender is a problem
[01:47] <thumper> menn0: the people making defining the dependencies almost certainly got it wrong
[01:47] <sinzui> thumper: yeah, joyent has 72.* and 165.* addresses. We often see the private nets cannot see each other when joyent gives us differing public addresses
[01:48] <thumper> ah...
[01:48] <thumper> sinzui: what is our solution there?
[01:49] <menn0> thumper: sorry, playing catch up. where can I see the unit agent failure?
[01:49] <sinzui> thumper: retry, or deploy lots of machines to hold the 72.* addresses, release the 165.* addresses
[01:49] <thumper> menn0: http://data.vapour.ws/juju-ci/products/version-2985/joyent-deploy-jes-trusty-amd64/build-117/unit-dummy-source-0.log
[01:49] <sinzui> thumper: we tried prefer-ipv6, but we still see agents downloads using ip4
[01:49] <menn0> sinzui, thumper: i made a joyent specific routing fix a long time ago which allowed the various private nets they allocate to talk to each other
[01:49] <thumper> sinzui: hmm...
[01:50] <menn0> sinzui, thumper: is that not working any more?
[01:50]  * thumper shrugs
[01:50] <sinzui> menn0: I don't think it is that reliable, but maybe the firewall issue i describe in another bug is the root cause. I haven't escallated the other issue because I am still gathering evidence
[01:51] <menn0> sinzui: or maybe joyent has changed the way their network works
[01:51] <sinzui> menn0: they changed firewal rules recently :)
[01:52] <menn0> sinzui: ok right
[01:52] <menn0> thumper: should I take a look at this panic?
[01:53] <thumper> menn0: if you have the bandwidth, yes please
[01:54] <menn0> thumper: well there's also this bootstrap issue and the State pool work. tell me my priorites and I'll work to that :)
[01:54] <thumper> ugh
[01:54] <thumper> menn0: I'll poke the panic, you continue with bootstrap issue
[01:56] <menn0> thumper: k
[02:20]  * thumper sighs
[02:20] <thumper> at least the panic is entirely reproducable with the local provider
[02:20]  * thumper goes to make coffee
[02:40] <menn0> thumper: that's good to know. should be easy enough to track down then.
[02:40] <thumper> well, you'd think that
[02:40] <menn0> :)
[02:40]  * thumper pokes more
[02:41] <menn0> thumper: here's the bootstrap fix: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2407/
[02:42] <thumper> menn0: the connection is null in sendLogRecord
[02:42]  * menn0 pulls up current master
[02:42] <thumper> bah humbug
[02:44]  * thumper takes a breath
[02:44] <thumper> menn0: if you have time
[02:44] <thumper> would love a hangout to talk this through as I read the code
[02:44] <menn0> thumper: sure
[02:44]  * menn0 close the office door
[04:05] <thumper> menn0: I'm just testing, but I *think* that the one line error fix will make things work
[04:05] <thumper> just not as cleanly as we'd like
[04:05] <menn0> thumper: b/c it retries
[04:05] <thumper> ack
[04:05] <menn0> thumper: and at some point the api info will be correct....
[04:05] <menn0> nasty
[04:06] <thumper> ack
[04:06] <thumper> yeah
[04:06] <thumper> I'd still like to represent the dependencies correctly, but this will get us over the hump
[04:06]  * thumper is deploying now
[04:06]  * menn0 nods
[04:06] <menn0> it would definitely be nice to do it right
[04:07] <thumper> yep, that works
[04:20] <huwshimi> thumper: Hey. I've got a branch ready to land for jujulib. Is there a process for landing branches yet?
[04:21] <thumper> nope, but I can land it for you
[04:21] <thumper> if it is reviewed
[04:22] <huwshimi> thumper: It's this one. Has a couple of plus ones. https://github.com/markramm/jujulib/pull/3
[04:23]  * thumper takes a look at the actual diff too
[04:27] <thumper> huwshimi: merged
[04:27] <thumper> huwshimi: thanks, looks real good
[04:27] <huwshimi> thumper: Brilliant, thanks!
[04:27] <thumper> now that I've dealt with the bug I was looking at, I'm going to fix my review comments that didn't get addressed before mramm2 merged my branch
[04:31] <thumper> huwshimi: hmm...
[04:31] <thumper> huwshimi: found a bug in the makefile :)
[04:31] <huwshimi> thumper: oh...
[04:31] <thumper> calling make check when there is no .env setup fails
[04:31]  * thumper will fix
[04:34] <thumper> huwshimi: "rm .file" fails if .file doesn't exist
[04:34] <thumper> "rm -f .file" does not fail if it doesn't exist
[04:35] <huwshimi> thumper: Ah, nicely spotted. Thanks
[04:35] <thumper> now I get a lot of lint
[04:35]  * thumper sighs
[04:35] <huwshimi> thumper: Yes, yes you do.
[04:36] <huwshimi> thumper: and an 'assert False' :)
[04:37] <thumper> huwshimi: that was from mramm
[04:37]  * thumper passes the buck
[04:37] <huwshimi> haha
[05:20]  * thumper is done
[05:20] <thumper> laters
[08:44] <dimitern> morning
[08:47] <dimitern> fwereade, hey
[08:48] <fwereade> dimitern, o/
[08:48] <dimitern> fwereade, when you have a moment, I'd like you to review this http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2406/ please
[08:48] <dimitern> fwereade, it should do everything we discussed about setting/getting constraints
[08:49] <fwereade> dimitern, cool, I will try to get to that, I see menn0 has covered a few things already?
[08:50] <dimitern> fwereade, yeah, and I really appreciate that, but since it's changes core functions a second look will be nice :)
[09:19] <Mmike> Hi, lads. What is juju using for leader election, which algo/protocl?
[09:54] <urulama> just to verify: can openstack provider deal with user tokens from Keystone instead of usernames and passwords? In case it does, how is refreshing done and where are they stored?
[10:46] <dimitern> dooferlad, hey, so my constraints branch is landing now
[10:46] <dimitern> dooferlad, after it lands it's a good time to sync up net-cli with master
[13:05] <mup> Bug #1486553 opened: i/o timeout errors can cause non-atomic service deploys <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486553>
[13:27] <mattyw> fwereade, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2415/
[13:32] <jogarret6204> hi all,  I have an upgrade stuck, causing many errors such as: ..."blocked because upgrade in progress".  Any ideas how to unstick it?
[13:35] <frankban> hi ocr, could you please take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3035 ? (this is a MP against a feature branch for the GUI embedded story). thank you!
[13:35] <natefinch> jogarret6204: upgrading what version to what version?
[13:35] <frankban> katco: ^^^
[13:37] <jogarret6204> natefinch:i think i am 1.24.3 now...  not sure how to tell what it is targeting..
[13:38] <jogarret6204> agent-version: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:39] <natefinch> jogarret6204: likely going to 1.24.5, if you started the upgrade today or yesterday.
[13:39] <jogarret6204> any way to kick it along?  seeing other issues now
[13:39] <jogarret6204> message: agent is lost, sorry! See 'juju status-history all-in-one/34'
[13:40] <jogarret6204> but can't check that, that command returns: ERROR upgrade in progress - Juju functionality is limited
[13:40] <natefinch> jogarret6204: is it just one machine or a bunch of machines?
[13:42] <jogarret6204> bunch.  I have maas on baremetal, it uses a juju VM on same box for state server.  then about 10 of these machings in issue right now
[13:43] <jogarret6204> I opened a juju-deployer bug - this may actually be the cause of that
[13:44] <jogarret6204> http://bit.ly/1KvMybk
[13:48] <natefinch> jogarret6204: interesting.  I don't really know the deployer code, so can't comment on what it does or does not do.  But certainly the unit number should not be used as the count of units.
[13:49] <natefinch> frankban: katco is going to be in late this morning, btw
[13:50] <frankban> natefinch: ok thanks, there is no rush
[13:51] <jogarret6204> natefinch:  i'm thinking that it may not be a bug if I get this upgrade issue fixed.
[13:56] <wwitzel3> ericsnow, natefinch: can we delay standup maybe 10 minutes? I lost track of time and have bacon on the stove
[13:57] <wwitzel3> well, actually, in the oven, but same thing
[13:58] <natefinch> wwitzel3: I can wait for bacon
[14:09] <ericsnow> fwereade, cmars: how do I "uninstall" a worker from an engine?  (Runner has StopWorker...)
[14:09] <fwereade> ericsnow, you can't, yet; was waiting for a direct need to do so
[14:10] <fwereade> ericsnow, what's your use case?
[14:11] <ericsnow> fwereade: I have per-workload-process workers with a definite lifetime
[14:11] <ericsnow> fwereade: when Juju stops tracking such a workload process then the worker must be stopped and forgotten
[14:12] <ericsnow> fwereade: for now I am resorting to using runners but would rather use dependency engine
[14:12] <fwereade> ericsnow, that sounds sane for the short term
[14:12] <ericsnow> fwereade: yeah, I figured we'd sort it out later :)
[14:13] <fwereade> ericsnow, sorry, I wasn't expecting to need it until I got relatively deeply stuck into the machine agent
[14:13] <ericsnow> fwereade: no worries :)
[14:13] <fwereade> ericsnow, (out of interest, what are the dependencies of your process workers?)
[14:14] <fwereade> ericsnow, (and their responsibilities?)
[14:16] <ericsnow> fwereade: deps - mostly API client; responsibilities - e.g. periodically update status from the underlying technology (e.g. docker)
[14:17] <fwereade> ericsnow, are the workers expected to, e.g., restart the processes if they fail?
[14:17] <fwereade> ericsnow, or are they just observers?
[14:17] <ericsnow> fwereade: not yet
[14:18] <ericsnow> fwereade: for now just observing
[14:18] <ericsnow> fwereade: later potentially starting and stopping them
[14:18] <fwereade> ericsnow, cool, thanks
[14:18] <ericsnow> fwereade: np
[14:18] <fwereade> ericsnow, a thought re responsibilities, not sure if it's good
[14:19] <fwereade> ericsnow, how hard would it be for one such worker to know when it was finished, itself, and return something like ErrUninstallMePlease?
[14:20] <ericsnow> fwereade: I'll think about it (OTP)
[14:20] <fwereade> ericsnow, I'm not sure that even covers all the machine-agent use cases tbh, it might just be a bad idea, but let me know if you think of anything
[14:21] <ericsnow> fwereade: will do
[14:41] <mup> Bug #1486297 opened: Action doesn't correctly translate unit name into tag if hyphen present <juju-core:New> <python-jujuclient:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486297>
[14:44] <mup> Bug #1486297 changed: Action doesn't correctly translate unit name into tag if hyphen present <juju-core:New> <python-jujuclient:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486297>
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1486297 opened: Action doesn't correctly translate unit name into tag if hyphen present <juju-core:New> <python-jujuclient:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486297>
[14:59] <marcoceppi> alexisb: health checks, are those on the roadmap?
[14:59] <alexisb> heh marcoceppi we were just chatting about that
[15:00]  * marcoceppi mind melds
[15:24] <mup> Bug #1486297 changed: Action doesn't correctly translate unit name into tag if hyphen present <juju-core:New> <python-jujuclient:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486297>
[15:31] <fwereade> dimitern, I'm feeling dense, would you explain: I think we need some way to distinguish between the "fallback to env spaces constraint" and "explicitly clear spaces constraint" cases
[15:31] <fwereade> dimitern, do we not need it; or do we do it but I just don't see it?
[15:33] <dimitern> fwereade, I'll try at least :)
[15:33] <marcoceppi> How do I tell juju what agent to bootstrap with?
[15:33] <marcoceppi> I have 1.24.4 isntalled but it bootstraps 1.24.5 trying to validate a regression
[15:33] <dimitern> fwereade, so explicitly empty values always override matching fallbacks (i.e. "mem=" overrides "" and "mem=4G"), but only when doing resolution from deployment to provisioning constraints
[15:34] <dimitern> fwereade, that's what now happens after my changes
[15:34] <dimitern> (soon to be available in master as well, when we merge net-cli)
[15:35] <wwitzel3> ericsnow, natefinch: https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/143
[15:36] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: ship-it
[15:36] <natefinch> officially used loggo's per-package logging adjustments for the first time in 2 years: juju set-env logging-config="juju.worker.leadership=WARNING"
[15:38] <natefinch> fwereade: any chance we were going to de-spam the leadership logging sometime soon?
[15:38] <fwereade> natefinch, huh, I thought we had
[15:38] <fwereade> natefinch, I thought iit was mostly at trace level
[15:38] <fwereade> natefinch, hmm, maybe we didn't do tracker?
[15:39] <natefinch> fwereade: yeah, the log lines I see are all from tracker
[15:40] <fwereade> natefinch, damn, sorry
[15:41] <natefinch> fwereade: not the end of the world.  Fixable via loggo (as long as you don't need to see anything under warning from leadership)
[15:42] <fwereade> dimitern, ah, ok, and if we had "spaces=foo" and replaced it with "mem=4G" we'd get the fallback spaces; but "mem=4G spaces=" would ensure no spaces constraints? or have I completely confused myself?
[15:43] <dimitern> fwereade, exactly right
[15:43] <fwereade> dimitern, cool
[15:43] <fwereade> dimitern, ok, then, in state -- how do we store the distinction between those two cases?
[15:43] <fwereade> dimitern, we seem to have lost the pointers in that struct
[15:44] <dimitern> fwereade, FWIW resolution was broken in a few places, e.g. adding a machine does resolution, SetConstraints on it before deployment doesn't and takes whatever you give it
[15:44] <fwereade> dimitern, ahh, machine constraints weren't including env fallbacks?
[15:44] <dimitern> fwereade, when set, but when added it worked as expected
[15:45] <dimitern> fwereade, I *think* it's only important to store non-empty values (after doing resolution)
[15:45] <fwereade> dimitern, sorry, lost again, how can you set constraints on a machine?
[15:45] <dimitern> fwereade, before provisioning
[15:45] <dimitern> fwereade, m.SetConstraints()
[15:45] <fwereade> dimitern, can users do that?
[15:45] <fwereade> dimitern, (other than when adding?)
[15:46] <fwereade> dimitern, I think those values should just be coming from the resolved env+service constraints for the unit whose addition triggered machine addition
[15:47] <dimitern> fwereade, I don't think so
[15:47] <dimitern> fwereade, but it's still a bug
[15:47] <fwereade> dimitern, but either way, when we're storing service constraints in state we shouldn't resolve them
[15:47] <dimitern> fwereade, I agree, and I made it so it's definitely like this in both cases
[15:48] <dimitern> fwereade, we're not
[15:48] <dimitern> fwereade, we only resolve unit constraints when asked
[15:49] <fwereade> dimitern, how can we do that correctly if we're throwing away the distinction between "fallback" and "clear" in the service constraints we store in mongo?
[15:50] <dimitern> fwereade, let me look at the code
[15:51] <fwereade> dimitern, np, sorry it's taken me so long to start looking
[15:52] <dimitern> fwereade, ok, that's a good catch sir
[15:52] <fwereade> dimitern, yay, my brain still works :)
[15:52] <dimitern> fwereade, so we should store them when empty, at least for the services
[15:52] <fwereade> dimitern, I think so, yeah
[15:52] <dimitern> fwereade, good, it should be easy to fix
[15:52] <fwereade> dimitern, and probably across the board, even if the distinction is academic once resolved
[15:52] <fwereade> dimitern, cool
[16:08] <TheMue> dimitern: just before riding home by bike, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2419/ contains the changes we talked about yesterday. hints regarding the testing of the finishedWorker are welcome. I'll take a look when I'm at home
[16:15] <wwitzel3> cmars: ping
[16:24] <mup> Bug #1486640 opened: Typos in help  <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486640>
[16:30] <dimitern> TheMue, sure, will have a look in a bit
[16:46] <jogarret6204> just checking back in and seeing a team call here.. am I in wrong group for "general noob help"?  Sorry if so.  where is general help?
[16:47] <lazyPower> jogarret6204: general noob help is in #juju :)
[16:47] <lazyPower> #juju-dev is primarly for those hacking on juju core
[16:47] <lazyPower> you're more than welcome to hang in both places though, we welcome all feedback
[16:51] <jogarret6204> don't want to slow you down here, so I'll hit the other.  thanks LazyPower and natefinch.
[16:59] <natefinch> jog: sorry, yeah, #juju is more the general help channel :)
[17:04] <natefinch> jog: sorry, obv not meant for you
[17:28] <sinzui> katco: dimitern : can either of you arrange fix for bug 1486675. I think the test needs more smarts, juju is fine
[17:28] <mup> Bug #1486675: supportedSeriesWindowsSuite.TestSupportedSeries fails <blocker> <ci> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486675>
[17:28]  * perrito666 is connected though his phone and loving his isp
[17:29] <perrito666> well creating a simple stream over 1/2 3g really makes me save on heating, the phone is enough for the whole office
[17:30] <natefinch> heh
[17:31] <natefinch> wow, this is a dumb error: ERROR environment destruction failed: destroying environment: container "nate-local-machine-1" is not yet created
[17:32] <perrito666> well, that was actually possible
[17:32] <perrito666> I think I recall davechen1y or thumper talking about a test that tried to reproduce that by being a race condition
[17:33] <mup> Bug #1486166 changed: JES deploy fails <ci> <jes> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486166>
[17:33] <mup> Bug #1486675 opened: supportedSeriesWindowsSuite.TestSupportedSeries fails <blocker> <ci> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486675>
[17:34] <katco> sinzui: dimitern's team is on bug-squad, so i'll leave it to him
[17:38] <natefinch> perrito666: my point was rather, if I am destroying the environment, I don't care that there's a container that isn't created yet, that's just one less thing to tear down.
[17:39] <dimitern> TheMue, you have a review
[17:40] <dimitern> sinzui, katco, sure, let me have a look
[17:41] <dimitern> sinzui, this looks like a fallout of a recent change I saw
[17:41] <sinzui> dimitern: yes
[17:43] <dimitern> sinzui, this one most likely https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2981
[17:43] <dimitern> bogdanteleaga, are you around?
[17:43] <sinzui> yep, that is what I saw
[17:44] <bogdanteleaga> dimitern, looking into it
[17:44] <dimitern> sinzui, katco, so in these case what - is a revert in order?
[17:44] <dimitern> bogdanteleaga, thanks!
[17:44] <sinzui> dimitern: a revert will unblock. otherwise race to land a fix
[17:47] <bogdanteleaga> dimitern, sinzui https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3040
[17:48] <bogdanteleaga> dimitern, sinzui I g2g now, merge it once it gets reviewed please
[17:48] <sinzui> thank you bogdanteleaga
[17:54] <dimitern> bogdanteleaga, awesome, ta!
[17:56] <dimitern> sinzui, setting it to merge
[17:56] <sinzui> you rock dimitern
[17:58]  * dimitern wishes all bugs where like this :)
[17:59] <natefinch> OMG.... just realized what the problem I've been fighting with all day..... printing a value out with %v was causing a panic from inside fmt somewhere
[18:00] <perrito666> aghh gce is saying me I am not authenticated... only for one particular operation wth
[18:06] <dimitern> sinzui, btw I'm not sure if you're monitoring feature branches for trends in failures like for the main branches, but if there is some data about "net-cli", which we're planning to merge tomorrow, will be awesome
[18:07] <sinzui> dimitern: you cannot merge it because it has never passed http://reports.vapour.ws/releases#net-cli
[18:07] <sinzui> dimitern: merge tip, When CI blesses it, we can merge it into master
[18:07] <dimitern> sinzui, hmm that's useful to know
[18:07] <dimitern> sinzui, we just did that today
[18:08] <sinzui> dimitern: I shall try to force ci to retest net-cli.
[18:08] <dimitern> sinzui, it's currently only 4 commits behind
[18:08]  * sinzui is trying ton retest 1.24 today as well
[18:08] <dimitern> sinzui, great, thanks! it will be nice to have some early feedback
[18:09] <sinzui> dimitern: maybe this issues are fixed already https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/net-cli
[18:10] <dimitern> sinzui, I hope so, however the windows one is a bit worrying
[18:10] <dimitern> sinzui, or you mean because it's gone from master?
[18:13] <sinzui> dimitern: I hope the issue was really in master, and your merge fixed it
[18:15] <dimitern> sinzui, I'll give it a try now as I'm changing that list command
[18:16] <sinzui> alexisb: I think we have enough evidence to say Joyent's firewall changes did hurt Juju, and that deleting them when Juju destroys the environment fixes the issue: I want bug 1485781 fixes in 1.25 and 1.24 (maybe 1.22 if we ever plan a release)
[18:16] <mup> Bug #1485781: Juju is unreliable on Joyent <joyent-provider> <reliability> <repeatability> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.22:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1485781>
[18:38] <katco> ericsnow: natefinch-afk: wwitzel3: sorry i missed the stand-up this morning. anything i can help with?
[18:39] <ericsnow> katco: review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2405/ ?
[18:39] <ericsnow> katco: (and don't sweat missing standup :)
[18:39] <katco> ericsnow: tal
[19:20] <alexisb> sinzui, thank you for getting the info on joyent and opening the bug
[19:20] <alexisb> that is good stuff
[19:24] <mup> Bug #1486712 opened: Race on uniter-hook-execution, prevents to resolve unit. <sts> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486712>
[19:53] <katco> ericsnow: reviewed
[19:53] <ericsnow> katco: thanks!
[21:37] <mup> Bug #1474885 changed: juju deploy fails with ERROR EOF <local-provider> <precise> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474885>
[21:52] <mup> Bug #1486749 opened: juju backups create should fail earlier for hosted environments <juju-core:In Progress by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486749>
[21:58] <mup> Bug #1486749 changed: juju backups create should fail earlier for hosted environments <juju-core:In Progress by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486749>
[22:07] <mup> Bug #1486749 opened: juju backups create should fail earlier for hosted environments <juju-core:In Progress by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486749>
[22:36] <davecheney> alexisb: ping
[23:31] <menn0> waigani: would you mind taking a look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2425/ pls?
[23:51] <perrito666> ericsnow: still here?
[23:51] <ericsnow> perrito666: barely
[23:51]  * perrito666 sees ericsnow fading
[23:52] <perrito666> ericsnow: go use gce with the fields instead of the json file, is it enough to just copy the values of the json?
[23:53] <ericsnow> perrito666: pretty much
[23:53] <perrito666> ericsnow: I believe the issue I told you about earlier might be because storage provisioner tries to do stuff in a machine and finds itself lacking these creds
[23:53] <ericsnow> perrito666: the PK might not copy-and-paste quite right so you have to watch that
[23:54] <ericsnow> perrito666: does it do more than make calls on the provider?
[23:54] <perrito666> ericsnow: calls that require auth
[23:55] <ericsnow> perrito666: the provider has all the auth it needs
[23:55] <perrito666> the provider?
[23:56] <ericsnow> perrito666: provider/gce/...
[23:56] <perrito666> ericsnow: well I am getting auth errors from one of the machines
[23:56] <perrito666> so :) something is wrong
[23:56] <ericsnow> :)
[23:57] <ericsnow> perrito666: you're adding new methods to the gceConnection interface (in environ.go), right?
[23:57] <perrito666> ericsnow: yep
[23:58] <ericsnow> perrito666: then I would definitely not expect auth issues :/
[23:58] <perrito666> well it is only happening with one machine i think
[23:58] <perrito666> that I added with add-machine
[23:58] <ericsnow> perrito666: do you have to enable some extra permissions in the GCE developer console?
[23:58] <perrito666> so I am looking it up
[23:58] <ericsnow> (manually)
[23:59] <perrito666> ericsnow: where is that stored on the server?
[23:59] <ericsnow> perrito666: where is what stored?
[23:59] <perrito666> ericsnow: the oauth token


[08:40] <Mamarok> one argument I tend tu use is telling people that unlike Neon they will have more than just a Plasma snapshot, as all Ubuntu sources are available and even non-KDE applications from those sources will work
 @Sick_Rimmit could you post a summary of your conclusions from the chat?


[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[00:00] <MrChrisDruif> Thnx szczur :)
[00:01] <szczur> MrChrisDruif, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> I mean about confirming that it's on Lubuntu's LiveCD :)
[00:03] <MrChrisDruif> I already knew it could handle ntfs, used it myself few years ago :)
[00:04] <szczur> ahhh, don\t know it it is on lubuntu livecd. for sure it is on ubuntu
[00:04] <szczur> or on sysresccd :)
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> That I know...I thought you were talking about Lubuntu's CD..
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[00:05] <szczur> never used it :/
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: Do you know if Gparted or other partitioning tool is on the liveCD of Lubuntu?
[00:06]  * szczur dissappoints MrChrisDruif :P
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> No, not really, but would've been handy if we were on the same page ;)


[14:50] <hatch> uiteam still need 2 for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/683 thx
[14:51] <hatch> uiteam ok now I just need a qa
[14:51] <rick_h_> hatch: try to get Makyo to qa please
[14:52] <hatch> I need a wall of clocks to know when people get in every day
[14:52] <kadams54> hatch: I can also QA.
[14:52] <hatch> kadams54: thanks
[14:52] <hatch>  new startup idea - company that doesn't do timezones
[14:52] <kadams54> hatch: isn't Makyo in your timezone? ;-)
[14:52] <hatch> kadams54: only part of the year :)
[14:52] <hatch> but I don't know which part lol
[14:52] <kadams54> Gah! You don't do DST?
[14:53] <hatch> nope GMT-6 year round
[14:53] <hatch> it's dark when we go to work and come home from work so DST wouldn't help haha
[14:54] <hatch> kadams54: downside is we can't say we forgot about the tz change and skip the first hour of work for a week
[14:54] <hatch> haha
[14:55] <kadams54> I hate DST, so more power to ya.
[14:56] <hatch> does anyone know how to get `bzr grep` to have colour output like `git grep` ?
[14:57] <rick_h_> bzr grep | grep
[14:57] <rick_h_> my grep has color
[14:59] <hatch> pipe the grep to grep?
[15:00] <rick_h_> grep has color :)
[15:00] <hatch> haha
[15:12] <hatch> ohh functional charm tests
[15:12] <hatch> you take so long
[15:39] <hatch> rick_h_: when you ran the functional charm tests did you get a few which had the following error: skipped 'admin secret was not found'
[15:40] <rick_h_> hatch: don't reca;; check with frankban please otp
[15:40] <frankban> hatch: looking
[15:41] <hatch> the env it's deploying to is aws if that matters
[15:42] <frankban> hatch: ok so the charm skips tests requiring authentication if the environment you use to run the tests does not have an admin-secret defined in ~/.juju/environments.yaml
[15:43] <hatch> doh! I wrote this config manually
[15:43] <hatch> so I missed that
[15:43] <frankban> hatch: this can be improved instructing the charm to retrieve the password from the jenv file, but there where no jenv files at the time those tests where initially written
[15:43] <hatch> I guess I'll need to restart this now
[15:44] <hatch> thanks
[16:43] <hatch> ok I've got the changes to the charm made and the tests/lint pass
[16:43] <kadams54> hatch: just +1'd https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/683
[16:44] <hatch> kadams54: thanks
[16:44] <hatch> frankban: so now that I have these changes made and committed how do I get it up for review without lbox? :)
[16:44] <hatch> push to my 'branch' and make a merge on LP?
[16:45] <frankban> hatch: you can propose it in launchpad
[16:46] <frankban> hatch: against lp:~juju-gui/charms/trusty/juju-gui/trunk
[16:46] <frankban> hatch: reviewers should run make unittest and make lint since that's what usually lbox run
[16:47] <hatch> ok thanks
[16:48] <hatch> frankban: this done properly? https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/charms/trusty/juju-gui/hide-login-button/+merge/245137
[16:49] <frankban> hatch: the target should be lp:~juju-gui/charms/trusty/juju-gui/trunk
[16:50] <hatch> trying again https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/charms/trusty/juju-gui/hide-login-button/+merge/245138
[16:50] <hatch> :)
[16:51] <frankban> hatch: better :-) just set a commit message and a description please
[16:54] <hatch> cool
[16:54] <hatch> uiteam lf review and qa on my guicharm changes https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/charms/trusty/juju-gui/hide-login-button/+merge/245138
[16:56] <hatch> Makyo: should I move the bundle yaml card into coding with your head on it?
[16:57] <Makyo> hatch, I don't think they should be separate cards.  One card per branch is my preference.
[16:57] <hatch> cool, updated your card and deleted the old one
[17:08] <hatch> back to queue eh!
[17:11] <hatch> ^ british canadian version of qa
[17:16] <hatch> there is a weird bug in the guicharm where if you change the source before it's deployed it'll fail to build the source
[17:16] <hatch> but it appears to be random as to when the bug happens
[17:43] <frankban> hatch: never encountered that
[17:44] <hatch> after logging in using the latest charm and gui I get an http auth popup?
[17:45] <hatch> https://admin:<the admin secret>@<IP_ADDRESS>/juju-core/charms?url=local:trusty/juju-gui-0&file=icon.svg
[17:45] <hatch> because of this request
[17:45] <hatch> any ideas?
[17:47] <hatch> hmm the code that's generating that icon path is definitely not right
[17:49] <frankban> hatch: why it isn't?
[17:49] <frankban> hatch: and shouldn't the user in basic http auth be user-admin rather than just admin?
[17:49] <hatch> frankban: well it needs to be able to make the request without the extra http auth
[17:50] <frankban> hatch: you are requesting the local charm icon from juju-core, and that requires auth
[17:50] <hatch> so I don't recall any of that code being changed
[17:51] <frankban> hatch: perhaps I am wrong, but the user there should be user-admin. could you try? maybe Makyo can help with the user stuff in the GUI
[17:52] <hatch> oh maybe that was changed with the login stuff
[17:52] <hatch> if it's supposed to be user-admin
[17:52] <hatch> that's somewhere to start
[17:52] <hatch> thanks
[17:53] <frankban> np
[18:01] <hatch> frankban: yes it's that it should be user-admin
[18:01] <hatch> frankban: so for all users should it be prefixed with 'user-' ?
[18:01] <hatch> or only admin
[18:01] <frankban> hatch: cool, all users
[18:01] <hatch> thanks
[18:02] <frankban> done for the day, good night all!
[18:02] <hatch> night frankban
[19:44] <hatch> it's interesting how the terminal and sublime are using the same fonts at the same size but they look completely different
[19:59] <hatch> we should find some time to go through the entire test suit and remove the foo.should.equal() stuff
[21:03] <hatch> uiteam lf 2x review and a qa for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/684
[21:04] <hatch> ok here is to hoping that's all the bugs heh
[21:04] <hatch> uiteam I also still need one qa on https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/charms/trusty/juju-gui/hide-login-button/+merge/245138
[21:05] <hatch> guicharm change
[21:30] <hatch> I think that that's all the gui bugs
[21:30] <hatch> besides the ones we already know about it seems pretty stable
[21:31] <hatch> update your gits https://github.com/blog/1938-vulnerability-announced-update-your-git-clients
[22:36] <hatch> anyone use an apple 'magicpad' with ubuntu? It seems to fail the sync
[22:44] <hatch> bleh I had to install blueman - apparently the default ubuntu bluetooth software is no good


[17:43] <hidam> can someone help me?
[22:25] <jlondon> Howdy all. I am having some trouble figuring out tags. Thinking it should be pretty simple but I must be messing up the syntax. If I want to tag nodes based upon a specific 'cpu_count', what would that definition look like?


[10:13] <mup> PR operator#829 closed: Secrets <Created by rwcarlsen> <Closed by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/829>
[10:18] <mup> PR operator#840 opened: Secrets <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/840>


[22:21] <sebsebseb> mhall119: ping
[22:21] <mhall119> sebsebseb: pong
[22:22] <sebsebseb> mhall119: who's the Ubuntu Community manager now?  I saw about half of that video with Shuttleworht and you and then uesiotns
[22:23] <mhall119> sebsebseb: everybody who worked for Jono before had their title changed to "Community Manager"
[22:23] <mhall119> dpm, who took over jono's managerial role, got the title "Community Team Manager"
[22:23] <sebsebseb> and then not sure what that was meant to say at the end
[22:23] <sebsebseb> I am on IRC after a few weeks first time
[22:24] <mhall119> basically Ubuntu has multiple community managers now
[22:24] <sebsebseb> oh right nice
[22:24] <sebsebseb> ,but anyonew new joining the team woudn't get that?
[22:24] <mhall119> they might, randall ross just joined the cloud side with that title i think
[22:24] <sebsebseb> mhall119: how's the  Ubuntu Phone coming along
[22:24] <mhall119> sebsebseb: exciting times, we're so close I can taste it
[22:24] <sebsebseb> come end of Januaray or so  Orange wil try to sell me a new phone I guess,  or  whtaever
[22:25] <sebsebseb> ,but I was thinking
[22:25] <sebsebseb> of
[22:25] <sebsebseb> if possible
[22:25] <mhall119> only, I won't *actually* taste it at first, because I'm in the USA and our network frequencies are weird here
[22:25] <sebsebseb> probabably buying an Ubuntu phone  intead then :D or around hten
[22:25] <sebsebseb> Android is a bit boring now anyway so
[22:25] <mhall119> sebsebseb: we *should* have a phone you can by at that point in time
[22:25] <sebsebseb> and I did put some money into the edge well nearly actually
[22:26] <sebsebseb> mhall119: yeah and then  I guess put a giffgaff card in it and :),  yeah that's the ipression I am getting that that someting is on the verge of being released
[22:26] <sebsebseb> in December?
[22:26] <mhall119> sebsebseb: I can't say for sure, we can provide them the "finished" software, but the supply chain and manufacturing process is out of our hands
[22:27] <sebsebseb> well will be interesieng to see what happens wit that, and the tabl
[22:27] <sebsebseb> e
[22:27] <sebsebseb> t
[22:27] <mhall119> no immediate plans for a tablet release, we're all-hands on the phone
[22:28] <sebsebseb> ah righty eah, but I think someone else was going to do one going by omgubuntu anwyay
[22:29] <sebsebseb> mhall119: anyway 2015  the year of the Ubuntu Phone, or probably?
[22:29] <sebsebseb> also I know there's a like software preview that I haven't treid or yet  but it wil run some Android apps to ?
[22:30] <mhall119> sebsebseb: most likely, even if we get a phone out in 2014 it would be hard to call it that
[22:31] <sebsebseb> yeah why's that?
[22:31] <mhall119> sebsebseb: no, Ubuntu won't run Android apps
[22:31] <mhall119> because december != "the year"
[22:31] <sebsebseb> December is this year yeah
[22:31] <mhall119> yeah, but only a small part of it
[22:31] <mhall119> I, for one, won't be calling 2014 "the year of the Ubuntu Phone"
[22:32] <sebsebseb> well  I guess I may mean mor ewhen manufacctres start selling Ubuntu Phone
[22:32] <sebsebseb> that won't be until 2015 by earliest I assume
[22:32] <sebsebseb> or for most
[22:32] <mhall119> yes, still should happen this year
[22:32] <sebsebseb> oh you think manfactures will start selling devces with it in December?
[22:32] <mhall119> we have 2 oems who are planning on shipping currently, one plans to ship by end of year, the other next year
[22:32] <sebsebseb> yeah  bq and the other one
[22:33] <sebsebseb> that's what I was thinking I Would  buy if going to be an early adopter
[22:33] <mhall119> Meizu
[22:33] <sebsebseb> apparnatly not convergence changing to desktop stuff  on first phones though, but that's ok
[22:33] <mhall119> no, not until we have unity 8 ready for desktop and phone powerful enough to make a good workstation
[22:34] <sebsebseb> mhall119: do you kmow who the big OEM paratner is meant to be?  or you do and meant to be hush hush for now about that?
[22:34] <mhall119> what do you mean 'big OEM partner'?
[22:34] <sebsebseb> apparnatly a bigger maker wil do  UBuntu Phone as well
[22:34] <sebsebseb> manufacturer
[22:36] <sebsebseb> mhall119: BQ,  m what you put, and unknown secret big  manufacturer appaantly
[22:37] <sebsebseb> mhall119: ok convergnece for 16.04  phone turns into destkop,   I read that actsaully some hwere.  and  something probably by the end of the year or Janruary for early adopters
[22:38] <mhall119> sebsebseb: I haven't heard anything about a big secret OEM
[22:38] <sebsebseb> mhall119: somen big Samsung maybe, I did read it some where
[22:38] <sebsebseb> I don't think it said Samsung, buty eah a big name
[22:39] <mhall119> heh, don't expect Samsung anytime soon, then have Tizen as their alternative remember?
[22:39] <sebsebseb> yes  well I meant Samsung as an example of a big brand, not saying htey would do it
[22:39] <sebsebseb> and indeed they have Tizen
[22:40] <sebsebseb> mhall119: probbly smoething more like
[22:40] <sebsebseb> Huawaii or whatever it was
[22:40] <sebsebseb> for examle
[22:40] <sebsebseb> example


[07:20] <darkham> how many shipments of ubuntu are allowed by canonical?
[07:29] <amitk> darkham: what do you mean?
[07:31] <darkham> amitk: in my shipit account i've a message about too many shipments. I requested 2 copy of ubuntu from 7.10  until now
[07:33]  * amitk has no clue about shipit. This is probably the wrong irc channel anyways. See here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/shipit-faq
[07:35] <darkham> amitk, i asked because the faq haven't any information of that
[07:36] <darkham> but i understand it's not properly a well known stuff...
[07:36] <amitk> They say to contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for questions
[07:48] <darkham> amitk, thanx
[08:32] <lool> beyossi: Yes that's normal
[08:33] <lool> beyossi: You should just leave the /lib/vfp alone, it's fine
[08:33] <lool> beyossi: the runtime linker will pick it up if it's there
[08:44] <eggonlea> hi, guys, I could not find a suitable channel to ask this question: does ubuntu have any image engine like Android's SKIA? I'm wondering how to optimize image (jpeg/png/gif/etc.) codec for ARM.
[08:47] <suihkulokki> eggonlea: afaik skia just calls libpng, libjpeg, libgif etc
[08:52] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: I mean, Android provides a unified entrance for all applications. all applications should use SKIA to get optimization automatically.
[08:52] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: e.g. we could replace libjpeg with any other optimized codec (if any).
[08:53] <suihkulokki> eggonlea: or you could just optimize libjpeg and and get faster jpeg not only in android, but in *all* linux applications
[08:54] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: yes, indeed. what I want to confirm is that: is libjpeg the one all applications reply on.
[08:55] <suihkulokki> ok, all might be a bit extreme (I'm sure that there are exceptions), but it is pretty universally used
[08:55] <eggonlea> suihkulokki: jpeg/png/gif/tiff/etc. and any others we should take care of?
[08:58] <suihkulokki> eggonlea: of bitmap formats bmp and pcx still appear sometimes, but I'm not sure they are common enough to warrant optimizing work
[08:59] <suihkulokki> then again, I am actually not a bitmap data format expert, that's just my personal experience :P
[09:07] <eggonlea> thanks! I'll take a look at the above three codec first.
[16:37] <Martyn> Hey all ..
[16:37] <Martyn> Where did ARM/Freescale give away the pegatron netbooks?
[16:37] <Martyn> I saw something about it yesterday in channel
[17:17] <armin76> Martyn: http://dpaste.com/111120/
[17:35] <lool> Martyn: at techcon
[17:41] <ojn> martyn: it was nettops, not netbooks. My bad.
[17:41] <ojn> and it was at techcon, yes
[17:41]  * ojn has one next to him now
[17:42] <Martyn> *groan(
[17:42] <Martyn> I could have used one of those
[17:42] <Martyn> oh well
[17:42] <Martyn> I'll need to bug my contact at ARM to see if I can get a hold of one
[17:43] <Martyn> I have so much advanced hardware now, but I don't have the /current/ state of the art since it's one half generation behind where we are
[17:43] <Martyn> and frankly, I want to be able to work on what's coming out now, as well as what will be out in a year
[17:48] <ojn> martyn: Philippe Robin was the person doing the first "pitch" session where they were handed out. I guess he might be a good point of contact
[17:55] <ojn> Martyn: it's always hard to get a hold of competitor's products before they ship in volume though. :-)
[18:38] <armin76> Martyn: ask one for me :)
[23:44] <jordan_> hey all, are there any ARM netbooks out now that run Ubuntu well, or is at all developmental?
[23:45] <ogra> only the sharp one
[23:46] <ogra> http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08/28/sharp-netwalker-the-future-of-netbooks/
[23:46] <ogra> not sure where genesi stands yet
[23:46] <ogra> https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook
[23:47] <jordan_> thx
[23:47] <jordan_> it's weird cause I have been seeing tons of demo's of ARM netbooks for the last 3-6 months, but haven't found anything I can actually buy
[23:48] <ogra> right, most are still not on the market
[23:48] <jordan_> for say the sharp netwalker, is it fully supported, or is there a lot of manual hackery to get it working?
[23:48] <ogra> there are definately some to come
[23:48] <ogra> it has ubuntu preinstalled
[23:48] <jordan_> oh, that's 5" though
[23:49] <ogra> but as the article says, its not clear if you will ever get it outside of the asian market
[23:49] <jordan_> its a shame
[23:49] <jordan_> kind of want a 9-11", but have been waiting months
[23:49] <jordan_> since Atom is a POS
[23:49] <ogra> i think genesi is a better baet, but i'm not sure the HW is out yet
[23:49] <ogra> *bet
[23:49] <jordan_> anyone else that seems closer? or is genesi the main vendor to watch right now for it?
[23:50] <jordan_> in terms of shipping in the foreseeable future
[23:50] <ogra> as i said there are more vendors to come but i dont know when or which or where they stand yet, genesi a a sure bet that wil happen at some point
[23:51] <jordan_> ya
[23:51] <jordan_> lastly, where is Ubuntu in terms of auto installing on ARM?
[23:51] <jordan_> does it all work, or is still reliant on manually bootstrapping the installer and such?
[23:51] <ogra> the images we offer work on the hw they are built for
[23:52] <ogra> sadly the HW is all development boards yet
[23:52] <jordan_> that's a shame
[23:52] <ogra> they are live images and work identical to any other ubuntu live image
[23:52] <jordan_> how far would you say it is before the installer supports everything, without needing hw-specific images?
[23:53] <ogra> never
[23:53] <roxfan> there is no single hw standard for arms, so kernel needs to be built for each system specifically
[23:53] <jordan_> is ARM that platform specific?
[23:53] <ogra> you will always have SoC specific images
[23:53] <ogra> yes
[23:53] <jordan_> i see
[23:53] <jordan_> So build a custom kernel, and then userspace is platform-agnostic across ARM?
[23:54] <ogra> we wil surely able o loosen that a bit ... i.e. the imx51 image might at some point support all imx51 boards
[23:54] <ogra> but you will never see a generic armel image
[23:54] <jordan_> ya
[23:54] <ogra> custom kernel means that you likely end up with broken userpace unless your kernel build is a properly packaged ubuntu kernel package
[23:55] <jordan_> right
[23:55] <jordan_> so as a developer, how would you handle that?
[23:55] <jordan_> delegate kernels to each vendor?
[23:55] <ogra> there are more and more things in userspace that rely on working initramfs for example
[23:55] <jordan_> or do different vendors fund you to support their particular hardware?
[23:55] <ogra> well, we currently have one kernel tree per SoC
[23:56] <ogra> and have one set of images per SoC
[23:56] <jordan_> do you have enough developers to maintain many?
[23:56] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/
[23:56] <ogra> maintenance isnt the issue
[23:57] <jordan_> oh ok
[23:57] <ogra> bringing it up to the point where its a usable image is the hard part ... i.e. building the first image for a new HW
[23:57] <ogra> once thats done its only about maintaining the status
[23:58] <jordan_> oh
[23:58] <jordan_> so is the plan to focus on 1 or 2 ARM platforms?
[23:58] <ogra> not necessarily
[23:59] <ogra> if the community steps up and i.e. maintains a beagleboard image we'll surely wont complain
[23:59] <jordan_> right


[20:30] <JPeterson> how do i get past bzr merge, bzr: ERROR: Working tree ... has uncommitted changes (See bzr status).
[20:30] <JPeterson> so what?
[20:30] <JPeterson> how do i force merge?
[20:32] <JPeterson> how do i do git stash?
[20:37] <JPeterson> Answer: bzr shelve --ll
[20:37] <JPeterson> *--all
[20:40] <JPeterson> holy cow. "bzr shelve --all; bzr merge; bzr unshelve" now show both the reomte and my changes
[20:40] <JPeterson> should i do bzr pull instead?
[20:42] <JPeterson> the answer to "22:30] <JPeterson> how do i get past bzr merge, bzr: ERROR: Working tree ... has uncommitted changes (See bzr status)." is "bzr pull"
[20:42] <JPeterson> this will not revert the local changes
[21:22] <fullermd> For forcing a merge, you want --force.  What do you expect from shelve;merge;unshelve but a combo of the changes?
[23:25] <bob2> er
[23:25] <bob2> a) don't merge when you have local changes
[23:25] <bob2> b) commit immediately after merging + fixing conflicts
[23:31] <bob2> it's dvcs, no reason to let your code get screwed up like you would with svn


[04:39] <someone_> What's new about sudo and dolphin ?
[09:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:38] <someone_> Hi I have almost 20 process start with name "akonadi", What is akonadi?
[15:49] <o_a> Hello. I have an issue when switching screens of windows. Sometimes the windows get horizontally squashed. Does anyone else have the same problem?
[16:47] <someone_> Hi
 Howdy
 <someone_> i solved my problem
 I've just disabled hardware acceleration in firefox
 It's still luggy, but very small, only GUI


[06:21] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:32] <k1l> !away > wazery[away]
[17:26] <jose> AlanBell: ping, meetingology is dead
[17:31] <Fuchs> IRCC: what do I do when my membership is about to expire?
[17:33] <jose> Fuchs: you mean Ubuntu membership or operator membership?
[17:33] <Fuchs> Ubuntu IRC membership, on lolpad
[17:34] <k1l> extend it yourself?
[17:34] <Fuchs> not possible for this one, apparently
[17:34] <Fuchs> at least the link in the mail puts me on a page where I can't extend it
[17:39] <jose> https://launchpad.net/~fuchs/+expiringmembership/~ubuntu-irc-members should do it
[17:40] <Fuchs> the mail had https://launchpad.net/~fuchs/+expiringmembership/ubuntu-irc-members   (without the ~) and that says it's private, hence me asking here.
[17:40] <Fuchs> (and yours doesn't work at all)
[17:40] <jose> oh, my fault
[17:41] <jose> Fuchs: are you sure you're logged in?
[17:41] <Fuchs> yes, it says I am logged in as Fuchs (logout)
[17:41] <Fuchs> " We are currently in read-only mode. That means that at the moment you can't create new accounts, update your personal information, or request password reminders. "
[17:41] <Fuchs> yes, I love you too ...
[17:41] <Fuchs> okay, I'll just try later, then :)
[17:42] <Fuchs> oh, now it worked. Odd thing, that.
[17:43] <jose> lol
[18:06] <DJones> jose: You may be waiting a while for AlanBell I've not seen him online speaking for a few weeks
[18:07] <jose> DJones: whoops, do you by chance know if anyone else's got access to that server?
[18:07] <jose> because, like, meetingology is an essential tool for us
[18:08] <jose> oh, not actually access to the server
[18:08] <jose> but adding channels
[18:08] <jose> I just figured out it was alive when I noticed it PM'd me
[18:30] <Unit193> jose: ayrton can too.


[00:23] <LimCore> ubuntu uses 100% of CPU (well, 1 of 2 core so 50%) when downloading in synaptic, is this normal?
[01:41] <infinitycircuit> hardy alpha 1 seems much more stable than gutsy was at this point
[01:42] <crimsun> heh.  Install linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic, then.
[01:42] <crimsun> ;-)
[01:42] <infinitycircuit> i am running it
[01:43] <crimsun> it's nice and explo-tastic here.
[03:16] <WorkingOnWise> Is the compiz tray icon and Compiz Fuzion Settings Manager broken since yesterday? Mine is.
[03:36] <Supaplex> I'm a long time user of sid, what's the ubuntu equiv? I need to compare sources and patches to see if I can isolate a few bugs.
[04:26] <silent> hey guys, long time no join, how's hardy coming along?
[04:39] <LimCore> ubuntu is so insecure towards usres running a bit with scizors
[04:39] <LimCore> memtest 10G -> hard freez.   why not set any ulimit by default?
[04:43] <bazhang> hardy is fast
[04:45] <silent> what's new in hardy so far?
[04:45] <LimCore> can we add default ulimis to hardy, please?
[04:47] <bazhang> not that much new--just faster as far as I can tell--you should join hardy-changes mailing list--lists.ubuntu.com
[05:14] <Naisenu> If I am running Hardy already and have a problem with a different program on it, this channel or the main Ubuntu one?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> hardy stuff goes here.
[05:15] <Naisenu> okay
[05:15] <Dr_willis> and hardy is very very much a work in progress. :)
[05:15] <Naisenu> Hi. Trying to play a 3gp file from a friend. I added the mediubuntu gusty repository to SPM and installed ffplay. Also have the w32codecs installed. I get video but no audio. (Same question I asked there though)
[05:16] <Naisenu> Hardy hasn't given me issues :)
[05:18] <Naisenu> oh apparently I'm wrong and we've gone back to Gutsy ... husband playing mind games on me ... nm me then
[05:18] <Naisenu> is there a better channel to ask this question btw?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Its possible its using some odd audio codec. try some other players. like vlc, xine, gmplayer,
[05:19] <Dr_willis> also check what audio codec its using
[05:19] <Naisenu> how do i do the last bit?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> right clickon it - and look at properties. :)
[05:20] <Naisenu> ah AMR audio
[05:21] <Dr_willis> thats one ive Never heard of befor, :)
[05:24] <Naisenu> libavcodec1d <- that package says it has support
[05:24] <Naisenu> doing a search for AMR in SPM
[05:42] <Naisenu> which package is gmplayer in? not finding it
[05:46] <Naisenu> Okay update, i have totem, ffplayer, and vlc ... none of them give sound on the 3gp file i'm trying to play
[05:47] <silent> man I'm really looking forward to getting my new credit card
[06:11] <cps1966> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <rx_> hmm
[07:12] <rx_> i have problems with fonts since like 2 days
[07:12] <rx_> in firefox, fonts appear smaller
[07:13] <rx_> i would say barely readable
[07:13] <rx_> fontconfig changes?
[07:15] <rx_> might be firefox btw but i didnt see it being updated
[07:19] <mendred> hi if i want to add PREFIX=/usr and
[07:19] <mendred> LIBDIR=/usr/lib64 by default
[07:19] <mendred> for all configure scripts
[07:20] <mendred> is there some file i can set it..instead of plonking it for each compile across the system?
[07:26] <capouais> hello
[07:27] <capouais> I'm having some serious problems with my sound in hardy (gutsy, too) that I don't have in feisty.  Can anyone help me diagnose it and submit a ticket?
[07:28] <capouais> o...k...
[07:30] <silent> ahahahahaa
[07:57] <mohkohn> Is the lvm dmcrypt still in the alternate installer or is it also in the new installer?
[09:46] <oxigen> can i use 32bit swap on 64bit build?
[09:48] <Toma-> ...swap is a filesystem
[09:48] <Toma-> bit has no effect
[09:48] <oxigen> ok, thanks
[11:07] <gary4gar> is pulse audio included in alpha ?
[11:08] <bardyr> hey
[11:09] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[11:09] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:09] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic hardy
[11:09] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.21 (hardy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:09] <bardyr> how can i get the latest 2.6.24 kernel?
[11:11] <gary4gar> bardyr, download from kernel.org & compile yourself :)
[11:12] <bardyr> gary4gar, i was wondering about downloading the ubuntu kernel git and compiling it but i hoped there was a better way
[11:13] <Hobbsee> ubuntu kernel is not necessarily the latest kernel
[11:14] <gary4gar> bardyr, try kernel check
[11:14] <bardyr> Hobbsee, i know but the the hardy tree should play better with hardy then a vanilla kernel?
[11:14] <bardyr> gary4gar, kernel check?
[11:14] <gary4gar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=618563
[11:15] <gary4gar> Hobbsee, i upgrade to alpha one last night, i see pulse audio running as one of the process, has pulse audio replaced ALSA?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> probably, or it's in the process of doing so
[11:19] <geser> !info linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic hardy
[11:19] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-1.1 (hardy), package size 19256 kB, installed size 66156 kB
[11:19] <geser> bardyr: ^^^ I guess the meta package wasn't updated yet
[11:19] <bardyr> w00t :D
[11:19] <bardyr> geser, i was wondering why the kernel libc was .24 but not the kernel :D
[14:02] <gary4gar> hello anyone there?
[14:02] <Tuplanolla> yea
[14:03] <gary4gar> i have a problem with pulseaudio, no sound :(
[17:04] <stgraber> Hi, Any of you knows how to turn off the ssh agent part of the gnome keyring ? This thing annoys me, I prefer to manage the ssh-agent myself (on Hardy that's)
[18:06] <jorgp> is there a spec as to what versions are planned for hardy's toolchain?
[18:09] <crimsun> officially, no.
[18:09] <jorgp> unofficially?
[18:09] <crimsun> not documented on the wiki.
[18:10] <crimsun> your best bet is to ask cjwatson or doko
[18:10] <jorgp> are they staying with gcc 4.2 or moving to 4.3?
[18:10] <jorgp> ok
[18:11] <crimsun> I would think that staying with >= 4.2.2 is the choice
[18:11] <crimsun> it is, after all, an LTS
[18:11] <crimsun> we're already running a snap of 4.2.3
[18:12] <jorgp> makes sense
[18:12] <jorgp> I guess 4.3 would be hardy +1
[18:23] <LimCore> vim hanged, should I report it in  https://bugs.launchpad.net/vim/+filebug   or find vim's upsteam bug tracker?
[19:58] <capouais> hi :)
[20:03] <cdm10> Are the VirtualBox Guest Additions known to be broken in Hardy?
[20:32] <bullgard4> What does 'pm-utils' stand for?
[20:37] <Seveas> bullgard4, wild guess: power management utils
[20:37] <Seveas> !info pm-utils
[20:37] <ubotu> pm-utils: utilities and scripts for power management. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.2-1 (gutsy), package size 20 kB, installed size 196 kB
[20:38] <bullgard4> Seveas: My question proper was why a kernel developer said that pm-utils are for Hardy and acpi-support is for Gutsy.
[20:39] <Seveas> !config chanenl plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:39] <Seveas> !config channel plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:40] <Seveas> !config list plugins.encyclopedia
[20:40] <Seveas> @config list plugins.encyclopedia
[20:40] <ubotu> #database, #prefixchar, #searchorder, alert, aptdir, datadir, notfoundmsg, packagelookup, public, and relaychannel
[20:40] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:40] <ubotu> gutsy
[20:40] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder hardy
[20:40] <ubotu> OK
[20:40] <Seveas> @config plugins.encyclopedia.searchorder
[20:40] <ubotu> gutsy
[20:40] <Seveas> !pm-utils
[20:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pm-utils - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:40] <Seveas> !info pm-utils
[20:41] <ubotu> pm-utils: utilities and scripts for power management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.99.2-3 (hardy), package size 17 kB, installed size 188 kB
[20:41] <Seveas> !info acpi-support
[20:41] <ubotu> acpi-support: a collection of useful events for acpi. In component main, is optional. Version 0.104 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 856 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 ia64 lpia)
[20:41] <Seveas> pm-utils has been promoted to main
[20:41] <Seveas> Probably it's intended to replace acpi-support for newer kernels
[20:42] <Seveas> the kernel developer you talked to knows better than I do :)
[20:43] <bullgard4> Seveas: As you might know, kernel developers are rarely verbose.
[20:43] <Seveas> that I know :)
[20:44] <bullgard4> Seveas: So thank you very much for your ample help.
[22:35] <oliver_g_> hi
[22:35] <dr_evil> good evening
[22:36] <oliver_g_> I was wondering how to report bugs for Hardy alpha...
[22:36] <oliver_g_> For example, displayconfig-gtk thinks that I use the vesa driver when i actually use the intel driver
[22:36] <oliver_g_> which is probably due to the new Xorg and the now-nonexistent xorg.conf
[22:37] <oliver_g_> should I open a bug for things like this?
[22:38] <dr_evil> perhaps somebody else knows, I already reported bugs, too, but nobody really seems to care about them
[22:39] <oliver_g_> I suppose most maintainers are quite aware of these problems that were introduced with new Xorg (and probably they are working on this also if no bugs are reported :)
[22:41] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_ / dr_evil : Could be interesting to find out what laptops some of the developers use (Then its highly likely that they would work properly very quickly)
[22:41] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_: Can you not just make an xorg.conf the old way ? (still works if it does exist)
[22:42] <dr_evil> I meant this in general, not related to x org. however, I'm one of those lost souls that need to kill compiz frequently
[22:43] <dr_evil> on the other hand, hardy alpha 1 is running much better than gutsy tribe 1
[22:43] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: I'm just running the Hardy LiveCD right now, to test whether some problems I've seen under Gutsy have already been fixed in Hardy :-)
[22:44] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: and so in the usual "playing around" I noticed these things...
[22:44] <oliver_g_> it's probably too early still for casual bug reports
[22:47]  * dr_evil exchanged the motherbaord of his hardy installation twice now, once with gigabyte (broken baord, USB controllers dead), and then again with MSI
[23:23] <dr_evil> compitz Version 1:0.6.99+git20071205-0ubuntu3: readd ati X300, X600, X700 to blacklist
[23:23] <dr_evil> does anyone know why? my other machine has such a card (X300)
[23:24] <h3sp4wn> You can just remove them from the blacklist should you wish
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> edit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:26] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: please don't recommend that
[23:26] <crdlb> if you want to bypass the blacklist, then put SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[23:29] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: If it works and you remove the pciid of you card then you can make a diff - why just skip the checks
[23:29] <dr_evil> ok thank you both, it's not that important right now, as the machine is running fine with edgy, I just was surprised
[23:30] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: because a compiz update will clobber it
[23:30] <crdlb> and if you really *do* have problems, it's harder to undo
[23:30] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: conf-miss && conf-new
[23:30] <h3sp4wn> and reinstall the package
[23:31] <crdlb> rm ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager is easier :)
[23:31] <h3sp4wn> I guess I still treat compiz as a waste of time that you only play with for 5 mins every so often
[23:37] <silent> h3sp4wn, I use it off and on
[23:37] <silent> mostly to show up mac users
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> silent: Most of the mac users I know wouldn't care about that
[23:44] <dr_evil> I mostly care about stability and speed
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> dr_evil: So why use bleeding edge linux then
[23:46] <silent> if I wanted stability and speed I'd probably run 6.04
[23:46] <silent> until 8.04,that is
[23:46] <crdlb> 6.06 :)
[23:46] <silent> oh no
[23:47] <cafuego> Except 6.06 isn't particularly useful on current hardware.
[23:47] <silent> if I wanted stability I wouldnt use current hardware
[23:47] <cafuego> Last year's hardware then - same diff ;-)
[23:48] <silent> hehe, yea I'm waiting for 8.04.... probly stop upgrading for a while at that point
[23:48] <silent> reinstalls are taking their toll on my sanity
[23:48]  * cafuego runs 6.06 as Xen domUs to make hardware be not a problem.
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> Is there actually a xen installer for Ubuntu yet
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> (Solaris Express for me is by far the way forward for running Xen Dom0
[23:49] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: debootstrap?
[23:50] <silent> do you think the transformers in the movie were linux-based?
[23:50] <cafuego> silent: There was no linux in the 80s.
[23:50] <silent> lies
[23:50] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: Its not integrated the same way as for example I could install a solaris domU or RHEL or CentOS etc
[23:51] <silent> they brought it to earth
[23:51] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: In terms of a GUI for xen-create-image? Prolly not... but oh well .. easily scriptable.
[23:52] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: No - not bothered for a gui
[23:52] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn well, i have three machines here. one is running edgy and I use it often, but gutsy wouldn't run very well, so when I build a new machine last week for a RAID system, I decided to give hary a try
[23:52] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: I set 'em up via xen-create-image, then untar the libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap config into /.
[23:53] <cafuego> h3sp4wn: Note though that I only run Ubuntu/Debian domUs. Not other distros.
[23:53] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: Exactly
[23:54] <dr_evil> h3sp4wn except the compiz problem (which seems to be triggered by xchat, and I'm now connected with VNC to a windows mirc) and some very old still unfixed bugs, hardy seems to workfne
[23:54] <h3sp4wn> cafuego: I will be running other operating systems (but dealing with backups and such with zfs)
[23:55]  * cafuego has raid5 with lvm snapshots and rdiff-backup
[23:55] <cafuego> But for now...
[23:55] <cafuego> it's back to mythtv
[23:56] <h3sp4wn> I can sort it out its just harder than it should be (Ubuntu supposed to be easy for all etc)
[23:57] <poorenglish> sry, whats problem have compiz with xchat?
[23:58] <poorenglish> has*
[23:59] <dr_evil> poorenglish compiz seems to freeze (100% CPU) much faster when I'm running XChat-Gnome
[23:59] <dr_evil> *seems*
[23:59] <poorenglish> ok


[00:52] <bonny> hello people of this world i am trying to download opera but it says it has no candidate installed etc?
[00:52] <bonny> etc.
[00:52] <bonny> etc.*
[00:53] <MrChrisDruif> The what?
[00:54] <MrChrisDruif> bonny: How did you try to install Opera?
[00:54] <bonny> Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:54] <bonny> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:54] <bonny> is only available from another source
[00:54] <bonny> E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[00:54] <bonny> i tried installing on lx terminal
[00:55] <MrChrisDruif> Which command?
[00:55] <bonny> sudo apt-get install opera
[00:56] <Unit193> bonny: What does "apt-cache policy opera" give you?
[00:56] <bonny> wait let me try
[00:57] <bonny> Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:57] <bonny> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:57] <bonny> is only available from another source
[00:57] <bonny> E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[00:57] <bonny> ok sudo apt-cache is telling alot of something i dont know of
[00:58] <MrChrisDruif> bonny: It appears that Opera isn't in the default repositories
[00:58] <bonny> so how do i create one
[01:00] <MrChrisDruif> bonny: Which version do you want? Beta or normal release?
[01:00] <bonny> is beta faster
[01:01] <bonny> yeah ill have the beta
[01:01] <MrChrisDruif> bonny: Probably, but remember it is still BETA, meaning it could break without a moments notice
[01:01] <bonny> ok ill have normal
[01:01] <MrChrisDruif> http://www.opera.com/download/
[01:01] <MrChrisDruif> Apparently they don't have a ppa
[01:02] <Unit193> bonny: If you want stable: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/15
[01:02] <bonny> so how do i install tell me step by step please
[01:04] <bonny> thanks unit i think thats right its stalling i think
[01:04] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: It isn't Opera's own ppa, it's not even a ppa :P
[01:04] <bonny> thanks mr chrisdruif
[01:05] <bonny> installing*
[01:05] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: It might be for debian, but don't tell me it's not Opera's "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free"
[01:05] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...excuse me....late over here :P
[01:06] <Unit193> np, just trying not to look too stupid ;)
[01:07] <MrChrisDruif> But I was right...it's not a ppa :P
[01:27] <bonny> i still dont see opera
[01:27] <bonny> on the menu bar
[01:27] <Unit193> bonny: In terminal, type "opera"
[01:27] <bonny> ya it says command not found
[01:29] <Unit193> bonny: Check the policy again, see if it gives you an instaled version (also: apt-cache search opera <-- see if it goes by another name)
[01:32] <abahkaiyisah> good morning
[01:32] <abahkaiyisah> can lubuntu run on Pentium II 64MB ?
[01:34] <szczur> nope, you should have at least 128
[01:34] <bonny> so wat do i do now unit
[01:35] <abahkaiyisah> ok so it's OK on Pentium II but not lower than 128 MB
[01:36] <szczur> abahkaiyisah, and on PII you will have to use Lubuntu 10.04 since versions 10.10 and later cannot boot on Pentium II or older because of changes in kernel
[01:36] <Unit193> bonny: What was the output? (if it's long, don't paste it here)
[01:36] <bonny> can u  tell me how i install it from the opera website
[01:37] <szczur> abahkaiyisah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Older%20i586%20class%20CPUs
[01:37] <abahkaiyisah> ok isee thanks szczur
[01:42] <abahkaiyisah> where i can download lubuntu 10.04
[01:45] <bonny> paste wat long i didnt post anything long hee
[01:45] <bonny> here *
[01:46] <abahkaiyisah> i got it .thanks all
[01:48] <bonny> Usage: MSG <Unit193> <Private Talk is better>
[01:48] <bonny> hahaha lol :P
[01:50] <Unit193> "apt-cache policy opera" and "apt-cache search opera" pastebin
[01:54] <bonny> ok
[01:55] <bonny> wait i write it liek this "apt-cache policy opera" & "apt-cache search opera" pastebin
[01:55] <bonny> do include the apostrophes
[01:56] <szczur> !pastebin | bonny
[01:56] <szczur> just do apt-cache search opera
[01:57] <szczur> and paste the results to pastebin and give us the link
[01:58] <bonny> ok
[01:58] <Unit193> Thanks szczur, I was going to dig myself into a hole :)
[01:59] <szczur> Unit193, ;P
[01:59] <szczur> bonny, and i'd recommend getting http://deb.opera.com/opera/pool/non-free/o/opera/opera_11.01.1190_i386.deb and installing it with gdebi
[01:59] <szczur> just download it somewhere and install it by doubleclicking the archive
[02:00] <szczur> you're running lubuntu?
[02:00] <szczur> gaah
[02:01] <bonny> omg
[02:01] <bonny> can i select all the info at once
[02:02] <szczur> you;re using x-chat, you can rightclick that link and select open this link in browser
[02:02] <szczur> this should download it
[02:03] <bonny> not that can i select all info at once in lx terminal
[02:04] <szczur> aah, use the mouse
[02:05] <bonny> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ thats wat it says
[02:05] <bonny> after i typed apt-cache search opera thats wat it said
[02:05] <szczur> you have to paste the results of apt-cache search opera
[02:06] <szczur> into this empty field, and click Paste!
[02:06] <szczur> then give us the link
[02:06] <wakil> Hello.
[02:07] <szczur> hi wakil
[02:07] <wakil> I am new to lubuntu, can anyone tell me how I can enable automatic login?
[02:07] <wakil> :)
[02:07] <szczur> wakil, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How%20to%20enable%20automatic%20logon%20in%20LXDM
[02:07] <bonny> THATS WAT I DID !!!!
[02:08] <wakil> Thank you :)
[02:08] <szczur> bonny, after clicking paste yu should get link like this
[02:08] <szczur> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586685/
[02:11] <bonny> AND I SENT U THE LINK
[02:12] <szczur> yeah, to empty pastebin main page.
[02:12] <szczur> i meant, give the link that you get after clicking Paste!
[02:12] <bonny> http://paste.ubuntu.com/586687/
[02:12] <Unit193> bonny: Put it just like this into terminal: wget -O file http://deb.opera.com/archive.key && sudo apt-key add file && sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list' && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install opera
[02:12] <bonny> there u go
[02:12] <bonny> i sent it
[02:13] <bonny> ty unit
[02:13] <bonny> szczur are u german
[02:14] <szczur> bonny, nope. Polish
[02:14] <bonny> ahhh just wondering
[02:14] <szczur> why are you asking?
[02:14] <bonny> just asking ur name sounds german
[02:14] <aetherian> uh
[02:14] <aetherian> that's a good thing
[02:15] <aetherian> but the swiss are cooler than the germans
[02:15] <szczur> szczur means rat in polish language
[02:16] <bonny> lol u rat hahah :P
[02:17] <szczur> :P
[02:17] <bonny> hehe
[02:17] <bonny> how do u private message some one
[02:18] <szczur> /query someone
[02:18] <szczur> then new tab opens where you can talk with someone
[06:05] <UBuxuBU> good morning lubuntu Technicians.
[08:56] <orkun> hi all, i'm on lubuntu 10.10, i want to turn default settings of lxde, how can i do it?
[08:57] <orkun> something goes bad on settings, and i couldn't any of openbox theme
[15:43] <grub_seeker> is there a way to run a text-only installer of Lubuntu?
[15:44] <grub_seeker> CLI install or whatever the exact terminology might be
[15:47] <Vinylourson> grub_seeker: have you tried pressing ESC on the startup screen ?
[15:49] <grub_seeker> Vinylourson: no, I somehow missed that, thanks a lot :)
[16:02] <Vinylourson> grub_seeker: you're welcome :)
[21:53] <Seiryuu> Hello people... i'd like to ask if anyone knows of a browser that has decent support for CSS3 3D transforms? I am aware of the feature in Chromium, but it's incredibly glitchy.
[21:54] <MrChrisDruif> Seiryuu: got any site for me to test? I'm running Chromium daily build
[21:55] <Seiryuu> sure
[21:55] <Seiryuu> css3.bradshawenteprises.com
[21:55] <Seiryuu> css3.bradshawentreprises.com *
[21:56] <MrChrisDruif> OpenDNS can't seem to find it :P
[21:56] <Seiryuu> http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/
[21:56] <Seiryuu> this
[21:56] <Seiryuu> I'm sorry, typed it by hand the first two times :)
[21:58] <Seiryuu> check out the 3D cube, it's almost at the beginning
[21:58] <Seiryuu> if it doesn't support 3D transforms, it will show a flat surface, with some numbers overlapping
[21:58] <Seiryuu> if it does, it will be an actual 3d rotating cube
[22:04] <Unit193> Fun site...
[22:04] <Seiryuu> indeed
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> Seiryuu: Numbers are overlapping in Chromium...
[22:05] <Seiryuu> :(
[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> I'll test FF4
[22:05] <Seiryuu> tried it already
[22:05] <Seiryuu> it doesn't
[22:05] <Seiryuu> actually, i've tried every mainstream stable browser under the sky
[22:05] <Seiryuu> none supports it
[22:05] <Seiryuu> however
[22:06] <Seiryuu> Chromium does, if you turn it on in about:flags
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> It's even worse in FF4 :P
[22:06] <Seiryuu> glitchy as hell however :D
[22:06] <Seiryuu> hmph
[22:06] <Seiryuu> it might be better in Chromium daily tho
[22:06] <Seiryuu> care to give it another try with the about:flags thing?
[22:10] <MrChrisDruif> which should be enabled Seiryuu?
[22:11] <Seiryuu> just a sec
[22:11] <MrChrisDruif> Composited render layer borders.???
[22:11] <Seiryuu> GPU Accelerated Compositing
[22:11] <Seiryuu> that one
[22:12] <MrChrisDruif> I only see it for 2d?
[22:13] <MrChrisDruif> GPU Accelerated Canvas 2D <= is the one I see
[22:13] <Seiryuu> it's above it
[22:14] <Seiryuu> just GPU Accelerated Compositing
[22:14] <MrChrisDruif> FPS Counter is there
[22:14] <Seiryuu> weird
[22:15] <Seiryuu> thanks, can't make myself bother you anymore :) I'll download the daily myself and try it
[22:15] <Seiryuu> thanks for you efforts, i will write my findings here once I test it
[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I'll look forward to it
[22:17] <poningru> hi does lubuntu have ppc downloads?
[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> poningru: I don't think so, I don't even think Ubuntu has one these days
[22:20] <poningru> MrChrisDruif, no we do it's just not official
[22:21] <poningru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.10/release/
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...you mean well known :) But if there is a mini ISO with ppc, you should be able to make a lubuntu I guess :)
[23:34] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[23:35] <kosaidpo|> i've installed network-manger-gnome  but i dont see it in the menu n cant either launch it via the cmmd line


[03:28] <JollyRgrs> i know this is a strange question, but if i have a quadro (K620), is it possible to use a geforce as a 2nd card just to get more than 2 monitors? (I don't need this for gaming, just have an extra card laying around and would like triple monitors)
[05:14]  * MarkDude suggests duct tape and see if you have an old ZIF mallet lyig around- a few hits should do it
[05:15] <MarkDude> Sorry, never gonna tire of ZIF mallet jokes, hopefully folks know it
[05:15] <MarkDude> :D
[13:26] <Garheade> ahoneybun: I think Jersey Mikes is the better of the two places. Great wraps looks ok if a backup is really needed.
[13:28] <Garheade> also ahoneybun, if you need to get ahold of ian from sys76, he's @isantop in #system76


[13:08] <schopin> Hi! Is it normal that I can't target a Ubuntu series for this bug, even though it affects a package? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-kernel-tests/+bug/1910312
[13:08] -ubottu:#launchpad- Launchpad bug 1910312 in glibc (Ubuntu) "semctl09 from ubuntu_ltp_syscalls failed on X / F-oem-5.6 / F-oracle-5.4" [Undecided, In Progress]
[13:14] <cjwatson> schopin: There's always been a slightly odd thing here - this is the one place in Launchpad where you sometimes actually _need_ to URL-hack in order to get the right results
[13:14] <cjwatson> schopin: If you go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1910312, then you'll get a page that is otherwise the same but that has a different task highlighted and should let you target an Ubuntu series
[13:14] -ubottu:#launchpad- Launchpad bug 1910312 in glibc (Ubuntu) "semctl09 from ubuntu_ltp_syscalls failed on X / F-oem-5.6 / F-oracle-5.4" [Undecided, In Progress]
[13:15] <schopin> cjwatson: I guess it makes sense :) Thanks!
[13:16] <cjwatson> It definitely isn't ideal, but it's kind of a consequence of the multi-target bug model


[10:19] <domovoy> hi
[10:22] <domovoy> i'm currently creating some custom images using packer to simplify my deployments. The idea is that the image would install apps from git repos using metadata provided to cloud-init by the cloud provider ot user
[10:23] <domovoy> for that i would just need some script to run on per-instance; what would be the 'right' way to achieve that?
[10:24] <domovoy> from the docs i see 2 possibilities:
[10:26] <domovoy> add a script in .../scripts/ ; but as i get it, those scripts should be created from a module/part-handler, not 'simply exists'
[10:27] <domovoy> create a custom module ; but as i get it, that would mean modify cloud-init sources and install that modified version
[10:28] <domovoy> isn't there a way to simply say 'this cloud-init installation runs <command> on per-instance"?
[10:34] <domovoy> adding a custom module without the need for an installation from modified sources would be the ideal solution, can that be done?
[10:42] <domovoy> targeted use case: automatically clone repositories, checkout a specific 'version', and run provisioning script. based on digitalocean tags set on the instance. ideally the script should run every time those tags changes, in order to uninstall 'disappeared' tags, and install new ones (but i can live with it running only on droplet creation)
[14:26] <holmanb> domovoy: making your own module would be a lot of work
[14:28] <holmanb> domovoy: take a look at this module, it does what you want  https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/modules.html#runcmd
[15:37] <domovoy> holmanb: runcmd would allow me to run a custom command, sure, but it still need to be setup from cloud or user data. or is there a way to make it so that it's part of the base config, no matter what is provided by cloud or user?
[16:02] <minimal> domovoy: aren't "run on per-instance" and "should run every time those tags change" contradictory?
[16:07] <domovoy> minimal: not according to https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/development/module_creation.html
[16:08] <domovoy> "PER_INSTANCE: Runs once per instance. When exactly this happens is dependent on the datasource, but may triggered any time there would be a significant change to the instance metadata. An example could be an instance being moved to a different subnet."
[16:09] <minimal> AFAIK per-instance refers to the instance id changing
[16:10] <minimal> which typically happens when cloud-init runs on 1st boot (or if you "clean up" cloud-init so that it runs again from fresh on next boot)
[16:11] <minimal> you'll see instance id's logged in /var/log/cloud-init.log and in /var/lib/cloud/cloud/instances/
[16:11] <domovoy> as i understand it, the datasource may also make it happen whenever it decides there are changes that warrant it, probably by changing the instance id actually
[16:12] <minimal> right, I did say "typically" earlier ;-) I'm not sure which datasources tend to change the instance id
[16:13] <domovoy> me neither, which is why this "every time the tags change" part is considered the ideal case, and i said i'd be happy with it happening only on instance creation
[16:13] <minimal> if you want it to run every time have you looked at placing the script in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot/ ?
[16:15] <domovoy> yeah, i've considered placing a scripts in the ...scripts/ directory, but the doc states "Scripts in one of these subdirectories are downloaded/created by the corresponding part-handler"; so placing "permanent" scripts there out the cloud-init process seems like it's not the "right" way
[16:17] <domovoy> i could also create an init script which would query cloud-init metadata, there are actually many ways i could achieve my goal. my question is about what would be "normal, as thought by the devs, cloud-init way"
[16:19] <minimal> just tested by creating a simple shellscript in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot/ and making it executable, then rebooted, and it ran as expected
[16:20] <domovoy> i know it works, still not my point, and from the doc, not the way those directories should be used
[16:25] <minimal> I think the docs are perhaps incorrect or misleading
[16:25] <domovoy> wat makes you think that?
[16:25] <minimal> from a quick look at the source code of various DataSources the only one that makes reference to /var/lib/cloud/scripts is the SmartOS one
[16:26] <minimal> which refers to vendor-data being a boothook to write a script into per-boot
[16:26] <domovoy> datasources maybe, but part handlers definitely write scripts there
[16:28] <domovoy> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/explanation/format.html#mime-multi-part-archive
[16:31] <minimal> that's referring to one of the formats of user-data
[16:32] <domovoy> the mime-multipart format, which is handled by... part handlers
[16:32] <minimal> yes, when you provide mime-multipart format as the user-data
[16:33] <domovoy> which, according to the doc, is what is supposed to put script is ...scripts/ subdirectories
[16:33] <domovoy> "Scripts in one of these subdirectories are downloaded/created by the corresponding part-handler"
[16:33] <minimal> I wasn't referring to providing a per-boot script via user-data, I was referring to writing a script directly to /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot/ as part of your Packer image creation
[16:34] <domovoy> yes, and again, the doc says that's not how those directories are supposed to be used...
[16:34] <minimal> I'm saying that I *think* the docs are misleading and should instead say "Scripts in one of these subdirectories can be downloaded/created by the corresponding part-handler"
[16:35] <domovoy> i haven't found nothing in the doc saying cloud-init is supposed to handle cases when a script is placed there out of its process, i only found indication of the opposite actually
[16:35] <minimal> and perhaps also explicitly say "or you can place scripts directly there during image creation"
[16:35] <domovoy> that would indeed solve my problem
[16:36] <domovoy> but unless confirmed otherwise, i can only believe the doc
[16:36] <minimal> you're assuming the docs are 100% correct and that anything not indicated by the docs are not permitted/intended....which may or may not be correct, I don't know, that's for one of the Canonical guys to comment on
[16:36] <domovoy> i'm assuming nothing, hence me asking
[16:36] <minimal> best to ask on a week day as the Canonical guys don't tend to be around on weekends
[16:42] <domovoy> just so that my request is clear for everyone: i'm asking how it _should_ be done, not how it _can_ be done. thanks
[18:20] <domovoy> hmmm, although not stated explicitely, https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/base_config_reference.html  gives an example with a `users` setting, which would hint that those files can contain not only the keys listed on this page, but also modules configs
[18:20] <domovoy> Is that accurate?
[18:21] <domovoy> It would allow me to create a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/, which would include a `runcmd` command, and hence run my command the "cloud-init" way
[18:23] <minimal> as indicated at the top of that page this is the base configuration for cloud-init (i.e. where you define which modules it may attempt to run etc)
[18:24] <minimal> so you'll see "runcmd" mention in the example "cloud_config_modules:" section which indicates that the runcmd module should be run during the "config" cloud-init stage
[18:40] <domovoy> minimal: i was talking about things like `preserve_hostname: false` in the final example on the page, `preserve_hostname` is not a base config key, but a module config one. so this hints that modules configs can also be part of those files
[18:41] <minimal> as is "disable_root"
[18:42] <minimal> but to turn your previous reasoning back on you, the docs do not say setting arbitrary module configs there is supported ;-)
[18:42] <domovoy> yes, but the doc doesn't state explicitely that modules configs can be part of those files, so... can they? or is there just a few special cases accepted? or is the example wrong? or...
[18:43] <domovoy> minimal: exactly, which is why i ask if this behavior is actually accurate
[18:44] <minimal> no idea
[18:49] <minimal> depends on whether the docs are written from a "common law" (what is not forbidden is permitted) or "civil law" (what is permitted is defined, everything else is forbidden) perspective ;-)
[18:53] <domovoy> well to be honest, i always found that cloud-init doc lacks a lot of info... i've always ended up reading the sources to understand how it works. but that's quite a "hacky" way to go, which is why i'm here now, hoping some cloud-init guru can tell how it _should_ be done
[18:54] <domovoy> eventually if i decide to actually use cloud-init for my project, i'll create some issues about all that
[18:55] <domovoy> but at this point... seems to me that simply creating an init script and forget about cloud-init would be way easier and reliable
[18:59] <minimal> you mentioned you're running on DO so I assume you'll still need cloud-init in the OS image for DO-related config
[19:01] <domovoy> i am on DO yes, but the idea is not to be tied to it, but provide a generic image made with packer that would behave the same on other cloud providers
[19:01] <minimal> right, my point is that typically "cloud providers" means having cloud-init in the OS image
[19:02] <domovoy> well cloud-init being in the image doesn't mean i _have_ to use it
[19:02] <domovoy> or that i have to find convoluted ways to integrate with it
[19:03] <domovoy> i.e. an init script that run at the right time can still query cloud-init metadata and act according to it
[19:03] <minimal> correct, I was just clarifying whether you meant removing cloud-init from the OS image
[19:04] <domovoy> na, any cloud provider will rely on it, it has to stay
[19:08] <minimal> which DataSource are you using for DO BTW?
[19:09] <domovoy> actually that init script would make things quite easy. i'm just investigating if there is a way to make my code part of the cloud-init process, with the idea of having any cloud related task in the same place
[19:10] <domovoy> minimal: i haven't checked that yet, i also discovered that the DigitalOcean datasource is considered deprecated XD
[19:11] <minimal> yes, I was the one who brought up the issue that DO themselves didn't seen to be using the DO datasource and used ConfigDrive instead, which lead to the deprecation
[19:12] <domovoy> it seems a lot of cloud providers use ConfigDrive
[19:14] <minimal> I wouldn't say that myself, it tends to be used mainly for OpenStack deployments


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:18] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[08:21] <czajkowski> .202 people from 30 LoCos and 26 countries are taking part in the 11.10 Release party, are you going to one, if you're organising one don't forget to add it to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1186/detail/
[08:33] <leoquant> servus
[08:50] <czajkowski> head_victim: all happy with that update considering the week that's in it ?
[08:51] <head_victim> czajkowski: indeed, I figured they'd have more important things just right now but nice to know it's going to be worked on after release
[08:51] <czajkowski> grand
[08:51] <czajkowski> poke me in 2 weeks again but I think charlieS will be on the case
[11:52] <czajkowski> right lunch
[12:38] <YoBoY> just added the release events in France on the loco directory
[14:31] <mhall119> \o/
[14:38] <nigelb> mhall119: what's up?
[14:38] <nigelb> aha, that's a response to earlier.
[14:40] <mhall119> yeah
[14:44] <Pendulum> I was totally going to ask people at the closest loco to me if there was anything happening for this release, but since one of the people I was going to ask was doctormo ;-)
[14:46] <nigelb> Has the baby arrived?
[14:47] <Pendulum> dunno
[14:47] <Pendulum> last I saw they were doing an epidural
[14:47] <nigelb> \o/
[14:48] <Pendulum> okay, 17 minutes ago they were restarting the induction med
[14:48] <Pendulum> poor kama if she's been going this long :-/
[14:48] <nigelb> where are you grabbing this from? fb?
[14:48] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:11] <mhall119> Pendulum: I thought they started that last night
[15:14] <Pendulum> mhall119: they did, but he posted that they restarted it 10:30ish this morning
[15:14] <mhall119> ok
[15:48] <czajkowski> I saw a video
[15:48] <czajkowski> my auntie had labour pains with goddaughter for 46 hrs
[15:48] <czajkowski> not a happy bunny
[17:37] <strove> please write the forth letter of the alphabet
[17:38] <strove> or just winows, thanks. letters arent working
[17:41] <strove> got it. d
[21:07] <h00k> cool, LoCo Team Portal translation updates


[20:52] <lilmankito> ?
[21:03] <cry0xen> is xubuntu 22.10 keep using pulseaudio?
[21:12] <krytarik> cry0xen: By default anyway, yes.
[21:20] <cry0xen> I am very new to linux. and using xubuntu for 15 days. xubuntu cause this decade old hardware was built from my blood and sweat, literally. aside from few hiccups here and there i am enjoying the snappy experience.
[21:23] <cry0xen> i was looking for mono audio option and it doesnt exist on pulseaudio. so had to implement a solution from askubuntu. i was wondering if pipewire has this feature as default or not.
[21:25] <krytarik> The main #ubuntu channel would be a bigger audience for this btw.


[01:06] <bluesabre> forestpiskie: I've confirmed the bug you found in indicator-sound, and found a work around.  I've added a comment to the bug as well, so maybe we can get some traction on this. https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[01:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome, mr_pouit ^
[05:58] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks, confirm that the workaround after your's works
[06:22] <knome> bluesabre, ugh
[06:38] <elfy> mornign knome
[06:54] <knome> hai elfy
[07:01] <elfy> just about to do a clean install and then install xmir into it
[07:03] <knome> oki
[07:03] <knome> i'm about to leave sometime sooner or later
[07:03] <knome> but have fun with xmir ;)
[07:03] <elfy> have a good day :)
[07:03] <knome> will do
[07:45] <elfy> clean install of daily + install of xorg-server-mir and unity-system-compositor and reboot
[07:46] <elfy> appears to work ok at first glance - other than a flashing login screen
[07:46] <elfy> typing in a treacle mine appears to have been fixed
[07:52] <elfy> tthough display refuses to let me choose a different resolution - think there is a bug for that
[07:54] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1196239
[09:30] <Noskcaj10> Can we try and sync xfce4-indicator-plugin? Everything has been fixed in debian or upstrea,
[09:30] <Noskcaj10> *upstream
[11:33] <elfy> well - that experiment didn't last long
[11:54] <lderan> oh dear
[11:54] <elfy> some activity in irc channel - cue really slow refresh ...
[11:57] <elfy> sort of asked in -mir, wiaiting for some sort of response - not holding my breath though, it being sunday
[11:58] <lderan> well atleast you can get to the desktop eh :P
[11:58] <elfy> yep
[11:59] <elfy> was a bit hasty installing it on this machine perhaps lol
[15:46] <pleia2> I'll try to catch GridCube, but he should just get his team to select a desktop each week and let us know what it is (I really don't need to be involved aside from working with knome to find a spot on the site)
[15:47] <elfy> If I see him before you I'll tell him
[15:52] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:40] <knome> pleia2, yah
[19:47] <Noskcaj10> never mind, it works now. I'll test the package, then file a bug
[19:50] <lderan> woo
[20:44] <Noskcaj10> I've got the new indictator plugin on my PPA, but we can't sync unless ubuntu get's indicator-messages-gtk2
[20:46] <micahg> Noskcaj10: we dropped that since it wasn't ported to the latest indicator API
[20:47] <Noskcaj10> micahg, so i assume syncing the plugin won't happen?
[20:47] <micahg> from where?
[20:49] <micahg> oh, gtk2 version was never ported
[20:49] <micahg> that's why
[20:50] <Noskcaj10> syncing xfce4-indicator-plugin from debian
[20:50] <micahg> Noskcaj10: I thought you just had that uploaded (0.6.2)
[20:51] <micahg> oh, that was the datetime plugin
[20:51] <micahg> Noskcaj10: indicator needs a patch forward ported
[20:52] <Noskcaj10> ok, i'll look into getting debian updated then. Once it's ready, can you merge it on SVN? i still don't have access
[20:52] <micahg> I don't either
[20:53] <micahg> Noskcaj10: Debian is up to date, the patch hasn't been integrated upstream yet AFAIK
[20:53] <Noskcaj10> ok
[20:57] <skellat> Noskcaj: So, you got my e-mail then?
[20:57] <Noskcaj> skellat, yep
[20:57] <skellat> Okay
[20:57] <skellat> Did it help?
[20:59] <Noskcaj> yeah. I've realised that this can't get synced unless another package goes into the ubuntu repos
[21:00] <skellat> Noskcaj: Or the Ubuntu changes get handled by the upstream too so as to reduce the friction
[21:00] <Noskcaj> yeah
[21:01] <skellat> That's the other strategy you can follow if a dependency got dropped from the Ubuntu archive
[21:01] <skellat> Maybe
[21:02] <Noskcaj> one other question. Does anyone here have debian upload rights? I have 10 packages on mentors with nothing happening
[21:02] <micahg> we're not getting gtk2 back in indicator-messages upstream
[21:03] <skellat> Well, that means getting the Ubuntu delta pushed upstream then
[21:04] <micahg> no, it needs to be ported and we don't have the resources
[21:04] <skellat> Okay
[21:04] <micahg> Canonical is upstream for that
[21:05] <micahg> if someone is bored and wants to do the porting, we can reintroduce
[21:05] <micahg> but I think that time might be best spent elsewhere
[21:05] <skellat> Agreed
[21:08] <Noskcaj> What "elsewhere" do you recommend?
[21:08] <skellat> micahg: What do you see as left on the priorities list as we head into Feature Freeze?
[21:08] <micahg> figure out Mir stuff, gtk-theme-config
[21:08] <micahg> oh, and getting some other unity stuff out of the image
[21:09] <skellat> micahg: There is that docs sponsored + SRU upload for 12.04 that nobody wants to touch with a bargepole
[21:10] <micahg> I can do that as soon as I have some time (hopefully this week)
[21:10] <skellat> micahg: You should have the bug logged somewhere
[21:10] <skellat> Mir still boils down to watch & wait to see if any new code drops
[21:11] <skellat> The known issues list is known to us and we need to watch to see if anything gets cleared off it with a further code drop (if any)
[21:12] <micahg> yeah
[21:12] <skellat> I don't think mr_pouit will be happy on the multi-monitor issue since Mir only supports mirroring and using multiple monitors is on Known Issues as not done yet
[21:13] <skellat> Unit193 & I are both idling in -mir watching things ever so hopefully
[21:13] <micahg> well, if that's not done and not scoped for 13.10, we'll wait
[21:13] <Noskcaj> And if anyone wants to check xfce4-settings 4.11, it's ready for upload and in my PPA, we just need a meeting to decide if we use it or not
[21:13] <skellat> micahg: They still have time but that is my feeling too
[21:13] <skellat> As to gtk-theme-config...I have no clue where that stands right now
[21:14] <micahg> waiting on me to upload to mentors which I hope to do tonight
[21:14] <micahg> Noskcaj: I won't take -settings without mr_pouit's ACK
[21:15] <skellat> Cool.  Ping Paul Tagliamonte if you have to to see if we can push things forward.  We're after DIF so we'll need to do a manual requestsync.
[21:15] <micahg> skellat: yeah, I can handle that :)
[21:15] <skellat> Paul is one of my predecessors as leader for Ubuntu Ohio...
[21:15] <Noskcaj> micahg, what i expected, but i'm let to see mr_pouit online, ever
[21:17] <skellat> Noskcaj: You can always write Lionel an e-mail
[21:17] <Noskcaj> I'll wait till the end of the week, then try that
[21:18] <skellat> micahg: Yeah, I do hope the Fluxbox king himself may help us navigate the queues more easily.
[21:20]  * skellat wanders off to the other room to check on the BeagleBoard-xM relative to a Dropbox matter
[21:32] <knome> Noskcaj, i'd send the email as soon as you can.
[21:38] <Noskcaj> knome, ok, thanks
[21:39]  * Noskcaj requires breakfast, will be back soon
[21:51] <Noskcaj> Gthumb 3.2.3 can't be put into ubuntu until bug 1191959 is fixed
[21:52] <micahg> Noskcaj: it seems silly for gthumb to depend on a new automake
[21:52] <Noskcaj> micahg, yes, but the .configure won't work without it, and i don't know how to make a workaround
[21:53] <micahg> regenerate?
[21:55] <micahg> required automake is 1.8 in tree
[21:55] <micahg> hrm, 1.11
[21:55] <micahg> but still fine
[21:55] <Noskcaj> strange, i'll find the error i get
[21:58] <Noskcaj> micahg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5975127/
[22:00] <micahg> Noskcaj: try with dh-autoreconf
[22:00] <micahg> no idea why you're getting that
[22:02] <Noskcaj> How do i use that with the simple rules file?
[22:03] <micahg> dh --with autoreconf
[22:05] <Noskcaj> micahg, it still won't build
[22:11] <micahg> Noskcaj: well, if you put up a source package for me somewhere, I'll try to take a look later tonight
[22:11] <Noskcaj> micahg, ok, thanks. i'll upload it now
[22:11]  * micahg disappears for a bit
[22:14] <Noskcaj> It's a big file because i can't run debuild clean
[22:14] <micahg> Noskcaj: ok, just give me the debian dir diff than
[22:19] <Noskcaj> the orig is at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B57km_mHQf74UGwxYUdLWXUyNUU/edit?usp=sharing and the debian folder is at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B57km_mHQf74aUR6Qmtqd2J6Vmc/edit?usp=sharing
[23:50] <micahg> Noskcaj: your issues are caused by one of the patches or your environment, I commented out all the patches and I seem to get pretty far in the build


[02:53]  * tonyyarusso is having fun installing Lucid on the main machine
[02:56] <Takyoji> of?
[02:56] <Takyoji> and is that literal or sarcastic? :P
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> a little of both :P
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> and I fail to parse your "of?"
[02:58] <tonyyarusso> I'm doing LVM plus LVM on top of RAID for the first time, so the partitioning took a while.
[02:58] <Takyoji> ahh
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> omg
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> i ran out of ram guys
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> i actually fille dup 4 gigs somehow
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> crap its climing agian
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> kill firefox, gwibber, and empathy
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> and nautilus
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> well i turned my swap on
[03:02] <kermit> i restart firefox every 3 days
[03:03] <Alpha_Cluster> i forgot to after it got turned fof for smething
[03:03] <Alpha_Cluster> i kileld chrome and got a gig back i think
[03:03] <Alpha_Cluster> doesnt help i am compiling KDE4 in a chroot environment
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> lol, no
[03:03] <Alpha_Cluster> webkit killed my machines performance!
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> oh the irony
[03:04] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah iknow
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> http://files.tonyyarusso.com/sudbury-lucid-20100518-3.png :) :)
[21:28] <Takyoji> Yaaaaay
[21:31] <Takyoji> I bring good news!
[21:34] <Takyoji> http://ajaxian.com/archives/webm-the-on2-codec-is-here-with-support-from-google-mozilla-and-opera
[21:56] <Takyoji> and yay for xkcd: http://xkcd.com/742/
[22:36]  * Obsidian1723 Dump Mono - sudo apt-get purge libmono* libgdiplus cli-common libglitz-glz1 libglitz1
[23:01] <Takyoji> Gah, if only I had resources to assist with explaining the concept of FOSS and Linux
[23:02] <Takyoji> because I think I may have another person I could interest in with Ubuntu