[04:30] <kongda_> Hello, I'd like to write an application to recognize three finger touch pad gesture on Ubuntu. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
[06:43] <mitya57> Hi, can anybody please retry qt4-x11 on arm64? It got "g++: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus)".
[09:14] <debfx> mitya57: the build failed again
[14:44] <cjwatson> mitya57: FWIW these days if gcc doesn't explicitly flag the ICE as unreproducible (the compiler driver tries the backend compile twice to see if it acts differently the second time) then a retry probably won't help
[15:29] <hjd> I'm looking at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ where the package mozo failed because it is waiting for libmatemenu-dev. That is a virtual package (https://packages.debian.org/sid/libmatemenu-dev). I can't find this with the package search in Ubuntu (http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libmatemenu-dev&searchon=names&suite=utopic&section=all) but when I try to install it on my Utopic system, it correctly installs libmate-menu-dev which
[15:29] <hjd> provides the virtual package.
[15:30] <hjd> So I'm not sure why the virtual package is not found by the search, but it seems like a rebuild of mozo would work.
[15:43] <cjwatson> hjd: Build-deps on virtual packages aren't automatically retried when they become available; it probably just wasn't available at the time of the initial build
[15:44] <cjwatson> hjd: I've kicked a retry
[15:50] <hjd> cjwatson: thanks :)
[17:22] <mitya57> cjwatson: so can I do anything to fix that failure?
[17:30] <mitya57> The file in question (qsharedpointer.cpp) didn't change since last upload
[17:39] <mapreri> pitti: do you think I have to send a friendly ping to the ubuntu studio people (wrt xscreensaver)?
[18:52] <siretart> I've just uploaded libav10 to debian/unstable. When would be the best time to start this transition in utopic?
[18:53] <siretart> hint: it might get a bit messy, and will require some manual removals, but OTOH, it is "only" in universe.
[19:48] <semitones> Hi! I used system settings to switch to the nouveau driver, and while it says I'm using nouveau now, It actually left some blacklists in modprobe.d, and I'm really using VESA. Is that a bug I can report somewhere?
[19:50] <s1aden> semitones: it would be good to record it somewhere
[20:02] <semitones> alright, here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1318406
[20:44] <cjwatson> mitya57: I haven't actually looked at it, but perhaps /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.8/README.Bugs will come in handy
[20:45] <cjwatson> it> the failure
[22:26] <psusi> cjwatson, do you think you might get around to reviewing those d-i patches to remove the parted dependencies soonish?


[07:54] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, I guess it is still worth...
[09:39] <Tuxist> hi i there any chance to build i386 packages with pbuilder for focal ?
[09:39] <Tuxist> i needed for pipewire pulse wrapper to run all my applications with pipewire
[09:40] <Tuxist> i think that will be in future also a problem in ubuntu
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> Tuxist, yes, you can
[10:24] <Tuxist> yes i'am rebuilding now all packages much work
[10:24] <LocutusOfBorg> pbuilder-dist focal amd64 login; dpkg --add-architecture i386; apt-get update
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> Tuxist, if you need some library added to i386 whitelist, you can ask in release channel, if they are needed, and they are leaf, I guess they can be still supported
[10:28] <Tuxist> LocutusOfBorg: i will help much to reenable apitude in i386
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> Tuxist, why? aptitude on i386 is probably one of the less useful packages...
[10:33] <Tuxist> it's needed for pbuilder
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> so, you don't understand
[10:34] <Laney> Tuxist: The process is to post on this thread on Discourse: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-process-for-32-bit-compatibility/ - but I'm not sure LocutusOfBorg is right when saying that 'leaf' packages will just be added. The i386 partial archive is mainly for compatibility with drivers and third party things. Don't just ask in #ubuntu-release please.
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> with "leaf packages" I mean, "if they don't need a lot of new dependencies on i386"
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> Tuxist, if you want to build i386 packages, you start from amd64 pbuilder, then add multiarch
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> not i386 pbuilder
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> you can use aptitude to resolve i386 dependencies
[10:36] <Tuxist> LocutusOfBorg thats not working good with pkg-build
[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> btw "pbuilder-dist focal i386 create" seems to be still working...
[10:38]  * LocutusOfBorg does some testing
[10:43] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm nack, it fails
[11:14] <Tuxist> now is aptitude rady on my repo http://tuxist.de/debrepo/ubuntu/
[11:15] <Tuxist> a lot of perl dependencys
[11:15] <Tuxist> and elinks
[11:27] <Tuxist> now it works to build packages :-D
[12:00] <Mexit> Hello,I just tested the latest image of Ubuntu 20.10. Unfortunately, there is no loopback.cfg file that allows the system to boot directly from the ISO image (through grub2).Will this be permanent?
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> Mexit, I dont understand your question, did you download from there? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20201016/
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> with boot directly from ISO you mean, live run?
[12:26] <Mexit> LocutusOfBorg: yes
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> it might be a bug then
[12:26] <Mexit> live boot via grub (isoboot)
[12:27] <LocutusOfBorg> you might want to open a bug against casper maybe?
[12:27] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.454
[12:28] <LocutusOfBorg> but 10 hours ago a new casper upload has been done, maybe it fixes some issues
[12:28] <LocutusOfBorg> does reading this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1251729/20-04-booting-iso-from-grub-menu
[12:46] <Mexit> LocutusOfBorg: Yes. This is my configuration file, it has been working for years: https://github.com/Mexit/MultiOS-USB/blob/master/config/ubuntu/ubuntu.cfg.
[12:46] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, ^^ do you think isoboot is still supported?
[15:14] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: isoboot> I don't think that's anything we've ever tested; I don't know the details of how it works and whether it's supportable going forward
[15:37] <Laney> I think we would 'just' need to resurrect the config file
[16:17] <Laney> bdmurray: I'm backporting the fix for that tzdata issue, since it landed upstream now.
[16:17] <Laney> also
[16:17] <Laney> I don't think it affects our update right away, since zic comes from libc-bin
[16:19] <bdmurray> Laney: backporting it where?
[16:19] <Laney> so it won't get the changed default for a while anyway - that is synced periodically I guess?
[16:19] <Laney> so in summary, do it
[16:19] <Laney> in the archive(s)
[16:19] <bdmurray> Laney: so are you upload 2020b then?
[16:20] <Laney> no, just telling you that the glib2.0 update isn't blocking you :p
[16:20] <Laney> but I could sync it if it's syncable
[16:20]  * Laney checks
[16:20] <bdmurray> Got it, it wasn't clear to me if you were changing tzdata or glib2.0!
[16:22] <Laney> not sure about syncability, there is an unmotivated change to add some things from icu
[16:22]  * Laney leaves that to bdmurray


[20:33] <hads> So someone sent me an email saying there is a security issue with my website which emails you a termporary password. "I keep my email account open 24/7 on my cellphone, so if someone had stolen my phone they would have access to the account."
[20:33] <hads> morning
[21:05] <thumper> morning
[21:27] <mwhudson> morning
[21:44] <G> hads: then I think that guy has bigger problems, like with just about every other website he uses :P
[21:44] <G> morning
[21:45] <hads> Indeed, I tried to be polite about it.
[21:56] <mwhudson> you should suggest he uses his phone as a 2fa device
[22:36] <ojwb> morning
[22:36] <ojwb> hads: boggle
[22:37] <ojwb> the assumption that email is a secure way to reset a website password is problematic, but it's pretty much ubiquitous
[22:39] <ojwb> the sites I really have a problem with are those which send you back your password itself
[22:39] <ojwb> like mailman, which insists on doing that monthly
[22:40] <hads> Yeah, these are all salted hashed so a temporary short lived plain text one is generated.
[22:40] <ojwb> yeah, that's arguably current best practice
[22:41] <ojwb> is this for nicegear?  presumably that would allow them to see things like his previous orders, which you presumably also emailed to him...
[22:42] <hads> Yeah
[22:42] <hads> Nevermind the rest of the things on the phone.
[22:42] <ajmitch> or being able to reset any other account out there that doesn't use 2fa (though the 2nd factor is probably on the phone)
[22:44] <ojwb> there's a bank ad currently which touts being able to send payments to your facebook friends
[22:45] <ojwb> so there's now a clear monetary incentive for scammers to get you to friend them on facebook
[22:46] <ojwb> some days i think I'm just getting old and cranky, other days the world seems to have lost the plot
[22:47] <ojwb> like credit cards you just need to wave at the till to pay with...
[22:52] <G> ojwb: the ASB one?
[22:52] <chilts> morning
[22:52] <ojwb> G: maybe - it has Brian Blessed in
[22:53] <G> that is actually what I like about Westpac's mobile platform, they have a 'Cashtank' app, it does one thing, and one thing only, and that is show me how much money is in my main account, it can't do anything else - lose my phone no biggy on that department, my money is safe
[22:53]  * ajmitch feels like such a luddite without a modern phone
[22:53] <chilts> G: "NO BIGGY!    YEEE BIGGIE!!!!"
[22:54] <chilts> +S
[22:54] <chilts> damn
[22:54]  * chilts likes Brian Blessed
[22:55] <G> chilts: well they'd still be able to read my e-mail, but the main thing is that my savings are safe because there is no way to get from the cashtank app to any other banking function (unless Westpac has a pretty big hole in their API)
[22:55] <chilts> yeah, sounds like a good app that Cashtank one
[22:55] <chilts> I was merely commenting on the ASB adverts :)
[22:56] <chilts> (the one where the farmer saves the sheep and says "no biggie"
[22:56] <chilts> I'd prolly install something like that, ie. a read-only interface to my accounts
[22:56] <G> oh right, I skip the ASB ads, they bug me
[22:56] <chilts> heh
[22:57] <chilts> they used to for me, but this series is ok
[22:57] <chilts> on the other hand, I moved away from ASB 'coz they were crap
[22:57] <chilts> for not as bad as ANZ
[22:57] <chilts> s/for/but/
[22:57] <chilts> interesting typo
[22:58] <G> Westpac does some pretty silly things, they appear to be more spammy than any other bank (in terms of marketing/offers with statements/credit card bills etc)
[22:59] <G> my favourite is I get e-mails from a Branch Manager, i've only ever visited his branch once
[23:02] <ojwb> probably lonely
[23:04] <G> yeah, I kinda wish there was a mainstream bank that just didn't suck (they are all sell-outs)


[07:05] <ara> morning!
[07:10] <sbeattie> morning ara!
[07:12] <sbeattie> does anyone know if there's a way to run hardy's update-manager in a debug mode? I've had it happen where, with enough packages to install, it just downloads them, says it installed them, but doesn't actually do it.
[07:12] <ara> evening sbeattie ;-)
[07:13] <persia> sbeattie, What sort of debug information are you trying to extract?
[07:13] <sbeattie> uh, a clue as to why it's not actually installing packages?
[07:14] <persia> That's harder then.  The actual installation is done by a call to synaptic, which then processes the changes in the requested apt-cache.
[07:14] <ara> sbeattie: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager?
[07:14] <sbeattie> hrm, I just realized I probably don't have apport turned on either.
[07:15] <ara> sbeattie: did it fail in a particular package?
[07:50] <ara> morning thekorn
[07:51] <thekorn> good morning ara
[08:01] <davmor2> Morning Everybody
[08:02] <davmor2> mvo: morning Dude do you deal with upgrades or is it someone else?
[08:16] <mvo> hey davmor2
[08:16] <mvo> davmor2: I do that
[08:19] <davmor2> mvo: cool upgrading from hardy to intrepid you get the logout (greenman) top right and the fusa switch user/log out/switch off to the left of n-m applet is this known?
[08:23] <mvo> davmor2: yes, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/274146
[08:23] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 274146 in fast-user-switch-applet "Has not yet replaced the existing log out applet" [High,In progress]
[08:24] <mvo> davmor2: its not tirivial, we will add a notification about this for the user so that he can click on a button and that updats his config
[08:24] <mvo> automatically modifiying user configs is something we don't want to do
[08:24] <davmor2> Okay
[08:25] <mvo> davmor2: it should land today (hopefully)
[08:26] <davmor2> give me a ping if it does I can re-test on Monday
[08:26] <mvo> cool, thanks
[08:27] <davmor2> mvo: Looks like everything else work pretty much fine
[08:27] <mvo> excellent
[08:27] <mvo> cd upgrades still need some love, but otherwise we should be in good shape
[08:28] <davmor2> mvo: Nvidia updated without any issues which I know played up at one point, so looking good
[08:28] <mvo> cool! that is good to know
[08:28] <mvo> real HW testing, especially with nvidia and ati is great
[08:30] <davmor2> mvo: I need to get hold of an ati card.  I got nvidia and intel so I'm only missing ati to round off my hardware collection :)
[10:37] <ara> mvo: one question. I am trying to automated distribution upgrades. When reaching the dialog that stats "Do you want to start the upgrade?" and that you have two buttons, Cancel and Start Upgrade...
[10:37] <ara> mvo: the accessibility seems to be not working at that point
[10:38] <ara> mvo: if I try to run at-poke or accerciser, they get stuck
[10:38] <ara> mvo: so I cannot get the assistive information
[11:08] <mvo> ara: right, I think that this is a problem with the way the accessability stuff works. update-manager switches to root for the actually install
[11:08] <mvo> and IIRC/AFAIK when doing that (via gksu/sudo) the layer does no longer work
[11:09] <mvo> now I wonder if it is possible to just run the automatiation as root too (or even log into a root desktop session) for this testing
[11:09] <ara> mvo: mmm, yes, I guess that would be the only solution
[11:09] <ara> mvo:  thanks :-)
[11:12] <mvo> ara: cheers, let me know how it all works out, I'm very interessted in your work on this
[11:13] <mvo> ara: what VM solution do you use ?
[11:13] <ara> mvo: virtualbox
[11:14] <mvo> ara: does it support a non-gui mode too? so that you can e.g. attach vnc to it but it runs otherwise non-interactive and headless? kvm can do this, but it has other disadvantages (like needs HW support and snapshot seems to be broken)
[11:18] <ara> mvo: I don't know, I will check that
[11:20] <mvo> not important, I was just curious :) I am frustrated with kvm sometimes (especially because of the broken snapshot support) and I am curious about alternative
[17:48] <thekorn> hi, has anyone ever heard about a bug where after an installation of intrepid no swap is used?
[17:49] <persia> thekorn, I've encountered timing issues with swap loading sometimes, but trying to turn it on post-boot always seems to work.  I figured it was just my setup for encrypted swap being based on an out-of-date HOWTO.
[17:54] <thekorn> persia: hmm, I did two clean installations in a row now, swapon -s is showing the swap device, but used stays at 0
[17:54] <thekorn> so I'm wondering what's going on there
[17:55] <sbeattie> thekorn: what's free show?
[17:55] <davmor2> sbeattie: Duh it's a show that's free ;)
[17:56] <thekorn> 4883752
[17:58] <persia> thekorn: have you applied enough memory pressure to force swap?  What about your swappiness tunable?
[17:58] <persia> It usually takes me a VM session and a bunch of other stuff to start using swap.
[18:00] <thekorn> persia: memory is at 89% right now, so I think swapping should have started
[18:03] <thekorn> oha! swappiness is 99
[18:06] <mcas> can anyone tell me how i can start the gnome applet to change my cpu speed?
[18:07] <mcas> how is the command?
[18:34] <SiDi> Hello
[18:36] <SiDi> Anyone who knows where i may find the Ibex official themes ?
[18:37] <persia> SiDi, I'd recommend starting with a liveCD.
[18:39] <SiDi> Well i just wanna get the 2 themes :)
[18:39] <SiDi> If possible without DLing the whole CD
[18:39] <SiDi> i'm a bit limited in terms of bandwidth
[18:40] <persia> SiDi, Yes, but I don't know.  You might ask in #ubuntu-art
[18:41] <SiDi> Alright, thanks


[11:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[19:57] <vip> hi ho
[20:55] <santa_> hello everybody
[20:55] <santa_> so ... I'm going to resume the fw 5.65, let's see what I have here...
[21:30] <valorie> good to hear, santa_
[21:40] <santa_> :)


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[06:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:22] <jubo2> 18.04.3 me gusta
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:09] <paul2495> hello everyone quick question were do people goto to download their music and what download tool do you use is it transmission
[16:11] <diogenes_> paul2495, there are lots of torrent trackers.
[16:12] <paul2495> what site is the best to goto
[16:12] <diogenes_> rutracker.org
[16:13] <OerHeks> please, do not spread illegal trackers
[16:13] <OerHeks> !piracy
[16:15] <diogenes_> i'm against piracy too btw. so i recommend supporting authors.
[16:16] <OerHeks> good.
[16:17] <genii> Alternately, browse the selection of public domain things available at archive.org
[16:35] <whitewolf__> mint linux has a hot corner applet that you can mouse over and run a command is there anything simular and if so whats it called.
[16:41] <genii> There's probably some krunner widget
[16:42] <whitewolf__> ok thanks
[22:23] <nano> Good day. I have done a clean installation of kubuntu on a system with EFI, kubuntu is mounted on a ssd sata and windows with the EFI are installed on an nvme disk with optane, the problem is that grub is not installed. When restarting the computer goes directly to windows. How can I solve that?
[22:24] <nano> I think I have to make an extra partition although I'm not sure how to do it, I don't want to ruin the windows installation
 Sup
[22:50] <nano> Good day. I have done a clean installation of kubuntu on a system with EFI, kubuntu is mounted on a ssd sata and windows with the EFI are installed on an nvme disk with optane, the problem is that grub is not installed. When restarting the computer goes directly to windows. How can I solve that?
[22:51] <nano> I think I have to make an extra partition although I'm not sure how to do it, I don't want to ruin the windows installation


[00:04] <tonyyarusso> I'd like to set up a caching server (DNS, web, other?) just for personal home use.  Would I need it to have two NICs, or could it be done with just one?  (I'm considering an Eee Box for the task currently.)
[00:04] <giovani2> I don't see why you'd need more than one nic, nope
[00:06] <tonyyarusso> Excellent.  Wasn't sure if such a thing would need to also be acting as the gateway or some such thing.
[00:06] <giovani2> well, you don't have to make it your gateway
[00:07] <giovani2> you could, but, running a web cache, and a dns cache don't require that, they just require that your user computer's dns be pointed at it, and it have your box as its http proxy
[00:10] <tonyyarusso> Any other tricks like that that you can think of to make my internet connection appear faster?
[00:10] <giovani2> uh
[00:10] <giovani2> how fast is your internet connection?
[00:11] <tonyyarusso> 12Mbit DSL, iirc.
[00:12] <tonyyarusso> Obviously I can't make big downloads faster, but for my everyday stuff every little bit helps.
[00:13] <giovani2> unless you have extremely high latency, it's unlikely you're going to see much gain
[00:14] <tonyyarusso> (I'm also partly doing this just to learn how, so I could potentially do similar things on a broader scale later in life.)
[02:33] <ball> Anyone tried boinc on Ubuntu Server?
[03:47] <kriel> Okay; so. The linux installer asked me if I wanted to raid my system; I set it up / to be raid1. For some reason it didn't do a dpkg-reconfigure mdadm during setup (or at least didn't ask those questions.) I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure mdadm after the fact.  Should I be worried?
[05:42] <J_P> hi all
[05:43] <J_P> how I change of "Sun Mar 15 01:38:53 EDT 2009" to "Sun Mar 15 01:38:53 BRT 2009" ? I try set in tzselect and set ok to brazil location, but still are EDT.
[05:55] <Shoopuf> Hello.. Does anyone know how to add the PHP path directory so that any scripts I run can use PHP? I don't know where to add the PATH to
[06:04] <ball> If you install php, doesn't it go into your path by default?
[06:04] <Shoopuf> Hmm... Well when I type "php" I get an error "-bash: php: command not found"
[06:05] <sommer> Shoopuf: you'll want to install the php5-cli package
[06:05] <Shoopuf> sommer: ok, apt-getting now :)
[06:16] <Shoopuf> sommer, ball: thanks guys, workin like a charm now... had to install php5-cli
[06:16] <sommer> welcome
[06:17] <Shoopuf> i figured i had to edit some text file and add a path somewhere :/
[06:18]  * ball wasn't much help, but I appreciate the sentiment
[11:05] <rags> how to add a second NIC to ubuntu...it gets listed in lspci
[11:15] <llragsll> any one...
[11:30] <Sooke1> Hi
[11:30] <Sooke1> I have mounted a Linux server with POSTFIX, it doesn't have a domain name, just a static public IP. All the emails I send trought it are put into spam folders, I have read something about MX records, etc.. Can anyone please help me?, thanks
[11:41] <llragsll> s: how to add a second NIC to ubuntu...it gets listed in lspci
[12:16] <ziroday> Hi, would anyone know why ssh would be laggy? (I mean just typing in text is slow)
[12:16] <acicula> heu busy link?
[12:16] <Nafallo> 3G connections do that.
[12:17] <ziroday> but its just text, surely even the most basic internet can not lag on that?
[12:17] <acicula> well your letter has to go to and from your server first
[12:17] <acicula> i think
[12:18] <ziroday> any idea on how to speed it up, if it were the connection?
[12:18] <Deeps> latency is latency
[12:18] <Deeps> ping the server
[12:19] <Deeps> 200ms+ ping can make ssh appear 'laggy'
[12:19] <Nafallo> no it isn't. it's screen re-draws.
[12:19] <ziroday> Deeps: ah right
[12:19] <Nafallo> :-P
[12:19] <ziroday> eek 2000ms, time to get a better connection methinks
[12:19] <Deeps> there you go then
[12:19] <Deeps> it's taking 2 second for a simple message to reach the server and get back to you
[12:19] <ziroday> Deeps: thanks!
[12:20] <Deeps> ssh is an ecrypted bytestream, not just plain text ;)
[12:20] <rags> I am trying to add a second nic to my ubuntu server..it get's listed on lspci..but how to give it an interface name like eth1??
[12:20] <Deeps> (so that'll add an additional 5ms or so?)
[12:20] <Deeps> rags: ifconfig -a, do you see a new interface there?
[12:21] <rags> oh ya...it is eth2 though not eth1
[12:21] <rags> i did only ifconfig previosly tht's y i missed it
[12:21] <Deeps> ifconfig only shows interfaces that are marked as 'up'
[12:21] <Deeps> ifconfig -a shows all interfaces
[12:22] <Deeps> you can change your network interface labels with /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[12:22] <Deeps> or rather, not with, but in that file
[12:22] <rags> all right...thx..now all I have to do is add it to /etc/network/interfaces file right??
[12:22] <Deeps> yep
[12:25] <rags> in the 70-persistent-net.rules( wht a weird name ) there is another device (USB device 0x0bb4:0x0b0c ) which is taking the eth1 name.. any idea wht it is?
[12:25] <rags> it says in brackets rndis_host
[16:57] <joaopinto> hi
[17:26] <Noble> Hi, is it possible to install firestarter on ubuntu server edition without GUI?
[17:28] <acicula> Noble: yeah, you can forward x11 connecions wit ssh, it'll still install a lot of gui libraries and such though
[17:29] <pmatulis> Noble: have you tried ufw?
[17:30] <Noble> No, is that similar to firestarter?
[17:30] <acicula> is there a log parser of sorts that can parse the firewall messages from the syslog?
[17:30] <jpds> !ufw | Noble
[17:30] <jpds> Arg..
[17:30] <acicula> heh
[17:30] <acicula> Noble: it's a commandline front end of sorts for the firewall, just like firestarter does
[17:31] <pmatulis> ufw comes installed by default on recent releases
[17:31] <acicula> but without the gui and the crapload of gui dependencies
[17:31] <pmatulis> it's pretty basic.  depends what you want to achieve
[17:31] <Noble> Ok, sounds nice. Im looking for something to share my connetcion with other computers
[17:31] <Noble> I have 2 NICs
[17:31] <pmatulis> hmm, not sure it can set up NAT
[17:31] <pmatulis> read up though
[17:32] <Noble> Ok, I was looking at IPcop, but it seems it cant run all the other servers I want.
[17:32] <Noble> So its kinda somthing similar im looking for.
[17:33] <Noble> just on top of ubuntu
[17:40] <Noble> If I understand this correctly, many firewalls uses iptables to set up everything?
[17:40] <Noble> So basicly I can use iptables as well with a bit of reading?
[17:40] <acicula> everything uses iptables
[17:40] <acicula> well, linux 2.6/2.4 anyway
[17:41] <Noble> Would it be very optimistic of me to thinker with it?
[17:45] <Noble> Thanks guys, I found what I needed for now: http://www.howtoforge.com/nat-gateway-iptables-port-forwarding-dns-and-dhcp-setup-ubuntu-8.10-server
[19:05] <bosco_> never heard of this { Suhosin-Patch Server } does that have something to do with php securing it what exaclty does it do???
[19:07] <sommer> bosco_: http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/
[19:08] <bosco_> sommer, thanks so it is a good thing i have it installed
[19:09] <sommer> I think so
[19:09] <bosco_> lol thanks
[19:09] <bosco_> i would think so as well
[19:10] <bosco_> just never heard of it dont know much about it
[19:20] <genii> Does anyone know what sort of format the pine -passfile expects?
[19:21] <genii> eg: I'm trying to start pine so it auto uses a supplied password
[19:37] <genii> nvm, I just discovered it uses same as .netrc
[20:56] <roy_hobbs> Does anyone have any experience with openldap->sasl->gssapi->kerberos
[20:57] <roy_hobbs> I can't quite get things working.
[21:52] <zaapiel-mobile> hello
[21:53] <zaapiel-mobile> how do i get ufw back to default?
[21:53] <zaapiel-mobile> ive been messing with it all day and probally borked it
[21:53] <zaapiel-mobile> id like to get it back to the default settings
[22:10] <sgla1> bind9 question ok here?
[22:52] <sgla1> question: Bind9 will not perform all required zone transfers between ubuntu 8.04 master and 8.04 slave dns servers.
[22:53] <sgla1> I see the notify for the reverse zone occur on the master, but it's not received on the slave server.
[22:53] <sgla1> Manual zone transfers from the master to the slave server (i.e. dig -t axfr my_reverse_zone) work fine.
[23:09] <bosco_> how do i take a directory and make it so no one can view it in a web browser never done it before ???
[23:27] <freaky_t> is there any nice new webapp like a newly started cms or smth. else? :D


[10:53] <MacSlow> Greetings everyone!
[20:40] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: er any chance we could leave dpkg alone long enough for it to migrate?


[02:17] <DarkTrick> sarnold, Well.. I never did package or stuff... I expected to deb files to have some instructions what to do at installation time
[07:51] <alkisg> Hi, is there a problem going on with the mirrors? From one ISP, http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ shows a directory "ubuntu", and within it, the archive folders like dists, pool
[07:52] <alkisg> From another ISP, the same URL shows the archive folders dists and pool directly, with no ubuntu directory
[07:52] <alkisg> The result is that `apt update` fails at least in half of Greece, is this a global problem?
[08:00] <blahdeblah> alkisg: Can you run `host us.archive.ubuntu.com` (or nslookup or dig if you don't have host installed) from both places?
[08:01] <alkisg> In one: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, 2001:67c:1562::18, 2001:67c:1562::15
[08:02] <alkisg> The other is the same, but reversed, 39 first
[08:02] <alkisg> Trying to force .39 to one...
[08:02] <alkisg> That works
[08:02] <alkisg> So .38 appears broken
[08:07] <blahdeblah> alkisg: They both look identical from here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mRYd2gKfTg/
[08:09] <alkisg> Hrm, it was fixed here too now. Maybe the problem was fixed a few minutes ago... testing more... thanks btw
[08:12] <blahdeblah> Maybe someone is messing with your http streams?  Or your DNS, selectively?
[08:32] <alkisg> Eh, it had the complete archive, but outside the ubuntu/ directory, so I doubt it. Maybe it was some mirror synchronization glitch. It appears to be fine now.
[09:09] <RAOF> Hm. Is there an easier way of testing old versions of the toolchain than wandering over to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute/+source/binutils, selecting the relevant release, and then manually downloading stuff?
[09:13] <laney> RAOF: there's pull-lp-debs, might be marginally easier
[09:14] <RAOF> Oh, that's nicer, yeah
[09:14] <RAOF> Pity launchpad isn't exposed as snapshots.archive.ubuntu.com 😀
[09:14] <laney> now I'm imagining an ubuntu bisection tool
[09:15] <laney> creates a new ephemeral container for each iteration
[09:35] <RAOF> I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
[09:35] <RAOF> Boo. pull-lp-debs apparently times out in canonistack.
[09:47] <alkisg> blahdeblah: could you visit  http://ports.ubuntu.com/ just now? It doesn't have the "ubuntu" directory
[09:48] <alkisg> I think some new "server syncing" script was introduced
[09:48] <alkisg> That, while syncing, breaks the servers, by not having an /ubuntu/ dir
[09:48] <alkisg> After the sync then it works again, and /ubuntu appears again
[09:52] <alkisg> For later reviewing, here's what I get with `wget http://ports.ubuntu.com/ -O - | nc termbin.com 9999`: https://termbin.com/44vr
[09:54] <blahdeblah> alkisg: For ports, the directory is called /ubuntu-ports rather than /ubuntu :-)
[09:55] <alkisg> blahdeblah: ah, sorry, ignore this then :) A user in #ubuntu reports the ports issue, and I saw the dists folders etc, and I thought it was the same problem
[09:55] <alkisg> Although the [ ]	Archive-Update-in-Progress-ports-banjo	2021-07-09 09:53 	file does hint at my "server syncing" theory
[09:56] <alkisg> Are servers supposed to be broken while syncing, or is it supposed to be atomic from the user point of view?
[09:58] <blahdeblah> The fact that an archive update is in progress should be transparent to people using the archive, since the pools are updated before the indexes.  But I'm far from an expert on that and will leave it to others here who are better qualified to answer.
[09:59] <alkisg> Thank you. I will wait until that "update-in-progress" file disappears, then check the contents of /; if the "dists" folders etc don't appear there anymore, then it will be a strong indication that something is indeed broken
[10:02] <blahdeblah> I've just tried an apt update on my system which uses ports and everything seems fine.
[10:07] <alkisg> The update-in-progress file has disappeared, so I guess it should be working now anyway. But the /dists folders etc are still there (unlike in archive.ubuntu.com)
[12:50] <pitti> hello everyone, long time no see!
[12:50] <pitti> my ubuntu-core-dev privs timed out during my holidays, and now I can't even upload cockpit to universe any more
[12:51] <pitti> (I'd actually be fine with just getting universe privs back, I don't really need core-dev)
[12:53] <pitti> or even just PPU for cockpit
[12:57] <cjwatson> pitti: Hi!  If it hasn't been expired for too long then I think you should be able to drop a note to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and a DMB member should sort it out (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Accidental_Expiry)
[12:58] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks! No, just a few weeks ago
[12:59] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+members doesn't actually show "former members" for me, but that might just be because of my particular login powers
[12:59] <cjwatson> Only admins of the team can see that
[12:59] <pitti> cheers!
[13:00] <cjwatson> The bullet-point list on that wiki page is directed towards DMB members
[13:00] <pitti> (I might still go for PPU -- feels more honest)
[13:06] <seb128> pitti, I think you are still trusted for Ubuntu uploads, doesn't feel dishonest to keep your upload rights active in case you feel like fixing something at some point
[13:11] <rbasak> pitti: I agree with all of the above. If you want to email devel-permissions@ with your request now, I can JFDI for you.
[13:14] <pitti> (in meeting) will do, thanks seb128 and rbasak!
[13:29] <pitti> mailed
[13:31] <rbasak> done
[13:42] <pitti> rbasak: wow, that was super-fast, thank you!
[13:49] <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~package-import is dead now, right?
[13:49] <rbasak> Should I kick it out of ~ubuntu-core-dev on the "least privilege" principle?
[14:33] <cjwatson> rbasak: As far as I know it is very dead, yes, so that's probably a good idea
[14:33] <cjwatson> rbasak: I assume you would know if any of your stuff relied on it :-)
[18:10] <sarnold> DarkTrick: ah, so the package maintainer scripts. Good Packages won't be doing anything inside user home directories in those scripts, but it's entirely possible that someone who is unfamiliar with debian packaging would prepare one that does do things in user home directories


[00:00] <lifeless> makes a difference, but not that much... certainly not multiple orders of magnitude
[00:00] <jml> :D
[00:20]  * mwhudson afk for lunch and a few errands
[00:51] <kfogel> jml: you're up?
[00:52] <elmo> all the cool kids in london are
[01:19] <thumper> rockstar: still around?
[01:19] <rockstar> thumper, yes, kinda.
[01:20] <thumper> rockstar: quick skype for a question?
[01:20] <rockstar> thumper, um, can it wait 5 minutes?  I'm trying to finish off some pre-kickoff chores.
[01:20] <thumper> sure
[01:20] <thumper> Monday night football?
[01:22] <rockstar> thumper, yesh.   Broncos tonight.
[01:24] <thumper> rockstar: nm, I'll muddle through, taking a break now for lunch
[01:27] <rockstar> thumper, okay, ping me when you're back.  I'm ready now.
[01:37]  * mwhudson reappears
[02:15] <thumper> rockstar: if you have a few minutes that'd be great, if you don't we can talk tomorrow
[02:16] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:16] <lifeless> 1  → 100  of 139453 results
[02:16] <lifeless> nice!
[03:19] <thumper> mwhudson: skype?
[03:20] <mwhudson> thumper: ok
[03:21] <mwhudson> thumper: i could hear you
[03:21] <thumper> mwhudson: I couldn't hear you
[03:21] <mwhudson> i'm not muted
[03:21] <thumper> I was getting no sound out of skype
[03:22] <mwhudson> ah
[03:47] <wgrant> Does Skype ever Just Work?
[03:48] <lifeless> it does for me
[03:49] <lifeless> jaunty, 64bit
[03:49] <mwhudson> it does for me, but i cheat and use os x
[05:29] <mwhudson> jtatum: hello
[05:29] <mwhudson> oops
[05:29] <mwhudson> jtv: hello
[05:29] <jtv> mwhudson: hi
[05:29] <jtv> did I break something?
[05:29] <mwhudson> jtv: did you get your problem sorted yesterday?
[05:29] <jtv> mwhudson: ah, so it's not about that buildbot failure.  :)  Yes, jml helped me out.  Thanks.
[05:30] <mwhudson> cool
[05:32] <jtv> mwhudson: it turns out that if you create two branches in the same test with create_branch_and_tree, passing neither name nor location, the two will try to create the same directory and things go boom.
[05:33] <mwhudson> jtv: ah yes
[05:37] <jtv> Actually, even passing names doesn't fix it.  You need to pass different locations.
[05:37] <jtv> It looks confusing because the conflicting dirs are .bzr dirs in the same temp directory.
[05:41] <mwhudson> yes, it creates the tree in the cwd doesn't it?
[05:41] <mwhudson> that's a bit naughty
[05:43] <lifeless> mwhudson: not if its bzr's helper; bzr's creates it on get_transport(self.get_url(relpath))
[05:43] <mwhudson> lifeless: it's not bzr's helper
[05:51] <jtv> mwhudson: right, the default argument for location is "."
[05:52] <jtv> And creating those branches on a transport was getting a bit too involved for a non-Code[hosting] test.  :)
[05:54] <mwhudson> jtv: good luck avoiding becoming a code hacker :-)
[05:54]  * mwhudson EODs
[05:55] <jtv> mwhudson: thanks, gnight
[08:36] <adeuring> good morning
[08:38] <jml> kfogel, no, I wasn't. sadly I'm not as cool as elmo.
[08:41] <jml> and every day, I have to live with that.
[08:44] <mwhudson> hello jml
[08:57] <jml> mwhudson, hi
[09:12] <mrevell> Morning!
[09:13] <bigjools> morgen
[09:13] <al-maisan> Good morning mrevell
[09:13] <al-maisan> .. and bigjools :)
[09:14] <mrevell> Hallo
[09:33] <jtv> bigjools: thanks to you, bfb is tla #23478 in the gtf: http://xs4all.nl/~jtv/gtf/
[09:33] <mup> Bug #23478: Breezy won't recover from hibernation on ThinkPad T42 <linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu):Fix Released by ben-collins> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/23478>
[09:33] <jtv> mup: shut up, this isn't about bugs.
[09:33] <bigjools> jtv: !
[09:33] <bigjools> \o/
[09:33] <jtv> bigjools: so if you weren't already, you are now in the gcp
[09:34] <jtv> it comes with a neat little button for your home page.
[09:34] <bigjools> woo
[09:34] <jtv> this puts you in an exclusive club with the likes of dek
[09:34] <jtv> ...insofar as the great dek has likes.
[11:02] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:03] <jml> deryck, good morning
[12:12] <henninge> danilos: your suggested fix for bug 128324 sounds reasonable
[12:12] <mup> Bug #128324: translator-credits remains "untranslated", so the percentage is < 100% <Launchpad Translations:Triaged by henninge> <Launchpad Translations 2.2:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/128324>
[12:13] <jml> al-maisan, assigning bug 347768 to you
[12:13] <mup> Bug #347768: Allow anyone with upload rights to write to a package branch <package-branches> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:In Progress by al-maisan> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/347768>
[12:13] <danilos> henninge, glad you like it :) anyway, I'd be happy to pair with you on it, and we can split the work up into several branches
[12:26]  * jml stepping out for a bit to get lunch & stationery.
[14:11] <gary_poster> BjornT: call?
[14:31] <sinzui> barry: EdwinGrubbs, bac: standup in 2 minutes
[15:12] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: What do you think about a generalized css class like this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297533/
[15:13] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: does it have to be a UL, can I have a <div> or a <dl>
[15:17] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: it doesn't have to be UL, but the only situation that I can think of that would benefits from DIVs would be two rows of action links, which seems unlikely.
[15:18] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: We should not design CSS for the specific. The reason the old CSS is giant is that we had to add duplicate rules because we could not reuse rules.
[15:19] <EdwinGrubbs> ok
[15:19] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: We do not need to define an element until we know there is a conflict
[15:19] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I think this is a good rule.
[15:20] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I'll make the change.
[15:29] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: There is one other problem that I keep ignoring. If the table doesn't exist because there are no entries, then I either have to remove the table-actions class or add style="float: right" on the element. Either way, it seems to break the generalized nature of the css class. It seems like I just have to choose one ugly solution or another.
[15:31] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: That is a common problem without a solution in our design
[15:31] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: witness the issue of a side bar without portlets
[15:32] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I think you need to look ahead to learn if there will be content.
[15:33] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I looked for a CSS3 selector that allowed me to ask if the element has children, I did not find one. maybe beuno knows
[15:33] <beuno> sinzui, I don't recall anything like that in CSS3
[16:37] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui, beuno: here is a working css solution that seems a lot better. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297595/
[16:38] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui, beuno: I use text-align instead of float so that the UL will not end up outside the border of its container. This works since the LI is already set to display:inline.
[16:46] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: : I award you a gold ☆ for cleaverness
[16:52] <jml> cleaverness?
[16:53] <gary_poster> I'd make a joke, but I'm not sharp enough.  uh.  heh?
[16:54] <sinzui> malapropism.  You can take a cleaver to a solution fit the problem. It can also be clever at the sametime
[16:54] <jml> gary_poster, :D
[16:55] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, rockin solution
[17:00] <flacoste> sidnei: your lazr-js branch has a huge diff, i think it builds on another unlanded branch?
[17:00] <sidnei> flacoste: correct. here's the diff: https://pastebin.canonical.com/23563/
[17:03] <gary_poster> sidnei: ah ok.  So that's Bjorn's branch, I assume?  Has his been reviewed?  If so, is it ready to land?  Would waiting for his branch to land before a review make sense?
[17:03] <sidnei> gary_poster: you reveiwed bjorn's branch. it's marked as approved, supposedly ready to land. i can wait for his branch to land yes.
[17:05] <gary_poster> sidnei: it's your call, and the reviewer's call I guess.
[17:07] <flacoste> sidnei: add that pastebin link to the m+p, and I'd suggest also explaining what widgets.conf and src-js/yui-path.js are for
[17:08] <sidnei> flacoste: ok
[18:44]  * rockstar lunches
[19:07] <jml> g'night folks.
[19:26] <leonardr> allenap, deryck, yesterday you reminded me of a branch that was landed to lazr.restful and that launchpad should have by now. the branch fixed a unicode-related bug. do you remember the bug number for that?
[19:27] <deryck> leonardr, bug #331990
[19:27] <mup> Bug #331990: The inline editor widget reports a JSON error when saving non-ASCII characters <javascript> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <lazr.restful:Fix Released by leonardr> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/331990>
[19:28] <leonardr> deryck, thanks
[19:28] <deryck> leonardr, np
[19:38] <jml> thumper, ping
[19:59] <beuno-lunch> deryck, ping
[19:59] <beuno-lunch> gar
[20:00] <beuno> deryck, intellectronica, jml, how controversial do you think moving bugtask tables beneath the description is?
[20:01] <beuno> why am I experimenting with that, you say?
[20:01] <beuno> well
[20:01] <beuno> it reads better
[20:01] <beuno> it's more consistent with the rest of the site
[20:01] <beuno> makes people read descriptions
[20:01] <intellectronica> beuno: the problem is, the height will always vary
[20:01] <beuno> sure, if you're familiar with the bug, it sucks a bit
[20:01] <deryck> hmmmm
[20:02] <beuno> yes, it's less predictable, although we probably need to have a max-height, and let people expand
[20:02] <jml> beuno, have you talked with mpt at all about the bug page design?
[20:02] <beuno> jml, I have not
[20:02] <intellectronica> beuno: even if you're not familiar with the bug, but familiar with LP, under the current scheme, the controls for changing the bug task are always in the same location. if the description pushes them to a different location every time it will be harder to hit them
[20:02] <beuno> hm
[20:02] <intellectronica> unless we make the description fixed height
[20:03] <jml> beuno, there's a lot of history. You shouldn't be bound by it, but it might be good to know which bits of it you are ignoring :)
[20:03] <deryck> beuno, I think this will be quite controversial, just because it's such a big change.  and heavy users are soooo used to looking top for the needed info.
[20:03] <beuno> yes, some people will be pissed
[20:03] <beuno> but lets think about that after we figure out what the best thing is
[20:03] <deryck> but will *all* people be pissed, that is the question. ;)
[20:03]  * deryck kids
[20:03] <beuno> then we can think about how to make everyone as happy as we can
[20:04] <jml> beuno, it's after hours for me and I have my happy Lean hat on
[20:04] <intellectronica> b.t.w i think fixed height for the description is definitely an option (assuming it's quite short)
[20:04] <salgado> sinzui, around?
[20:04] <intellectronica> on most visits to the bug page you don't read the description
[20:04] <jml> beuno, 1. Figure out the constraints.
[20:04] <jml> beuno, 2. Come up with two or three solutions that meet those constraints.
[20:04] <jml> beuno, 3. Profit.
[20:04] <beuno> intellectronica, so leave white space for very short ones?
[20:04] <sinzui> salgado: I am at this moment
[20:04] <deryck> intellectronica, beuno -- so if you don't read the description often, why top post it?  uniformity?
[20:05] <beuno> jml, well, I am loosely doing that, but maybe I should do it more formally. If only I had time to play with this more
[20:05] <beuno> deryck, well, you don't interact with the same bug a lot very often either
[20:05] <beuno> so, for new bugs, you do interact with it
[20:05] <beuno> of course, if you use email, you will likely just go there to set statuses and such
[20:06] <beuno> which is probably why intellectronica has that feeling
[20:06] <jml> beuno, the slightly more formal approach might save you time.
[20:06] <beuno> but if you live on the web ui, you read them most of the time
[20:06] <salgado> sinzui, we're getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/297719/ when trying to run LP on python2.6, but I don't think we have a new twisted release with that fixed, so we're hoping to silence the fascist for twisted imports.  for now, at least
[20:06] <intellectronica> actually, deryck playing back my argument at me reminds me that as a user i'd hate that change. i almost never work with the description and i always want to quickly look at the bug tasks
[20:06] <salgado> sinzui, barry told me you know the fascist, so could help us figuring out how to silence it
[20:06] <beuno> jml, I have 2 hours left, but maybe you're right, I don't know
[20:06]  * sinzui thinks
[20:07] <sinzui> salgado: I do, Let me try to remember this
[20:07] <deryck> beuno, yeah, as intellectronica said, I don't read descriptions first often.  I look at the table first.  and I do use the web UI mostly.  but maybe that's function following form, too.
[20:08] <intellectronica> beuno: and an expanding description is kinda' against what we're trying to achieve with the ajaxafication. you will now need an extra click when you do need to read the description
[20:08] <jml> beuno, if you do the constraint stuff, then it helps others to come up with designs. I'm torn between not wanting to derail you, and thinking that it's a bad idea to do a rush job of the single most important page on Launchpad :)
[20:08] <beuno> deryck, so what I'm going to do is, propose something crazy, write up the constraints I can think off, and hand it off to your team while I deal with ubuntu.com and the karmic release
[20:09] <beuno> jml, I'm not thinking I can solve the problem, bue maybe I can kick-start it
[20:09] <jml> beuno, cool.
[20:09] <deryck> beuno, ok, but I'm a bit like jml and wonder what the value here is.  maybe we should just table a redesign, and let us do simple bug fix improvements until we can think this through more.
[20:09] <beuno> jml, so I want to propose something more radical than polish
[20:09] <jml> deryck, table means something different here :)
[20:09] <deryck> heh
[20:10] <intellectronica> beuno: also, not wanting to take the wind out of your sails, i must also add that there are many small things we need to fix on the bug page, and it's very likely that fixing them is much more bang for the buck than pretty much any new design we can possibly do right now
[20:10] <deryck> jml, postpone?
[20:10] <beuno> deryck, what's of most value to you for me to work on?
[20:10] <beuno> intellectronica, great information. What would help you guys the most then?
[20:10]  * deryck is thinking....
[20:11] <deryck> beuno, how about a decision on open questions, rather than a mockup....
[20:11] <jml> beuno, I want you to do something more radical than polish too :)
[20:11] <intellectronica> beuno: i definitely need a bit of help deciding how to fix the top row of the bugs index page. that would really help me (that's a different matter, but since you asked)
[20:11] <beuno> deryck, if you point me at them, I will spend these 2 hours replying to that
[20:11] <deryck> beuno, mainly I'm think bugtask table stretch the top or not, and how to make the changing in statuses less easy?
[20:11] <deryck> beuno, let me get bug numbers.  intellectronica, do you have bugs with open questios you can think of?
[20:12] <beuno> intellectronica, the search box, etc?
[20:12] <beuno> jml, want to schedule a call for that then? to start brainstorming?
[20:12] <jml> deryck, http://www.economist.com/research/styleGuide/index.cfm?page=673901 (search for "table")
[20:12] <jml> beuno, please do.
[20:12] <intellectronica> beuno: yes
[20:12] <intellectronica> beuno: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/433854
[20:12] <mup> Bug #433854: Bugs home page: search box and project details don't fit on the same line <ui> <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by intellectronica> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/433854>
[20:13] <beuno> intellectronica, ok, that's on my list now, I will comment on the bugf
[20:13] <beuno> bug as well
[20:13] <deryck> jml, interesting.  I was proposing postpone as an alternate to table? to suit the US usage.
[20:13] <intellectronica> beuno: awesome, thanks
[20:14] <beuno> deryck, so, as for the bugtask table, everytime I think about, I get the feeling we need to do something different with it
[20:14] <jml> deryck, oh yeah, that'd be fine.
[20:14] <beuno> deryck, which makes me need to change other parts
[20:14] <sinzui> salgado: there I have two hacks in utilities/importfascist.py
[20:14] <jml> deryck, I was just adding the link for interest.
[20:14] <beuno> which makes me ask questions like whether to move it below the description  :)
[20:14] <intellectronica> beuno: i think that we need to align the tasks table, description and comments, and that when we do that it will improve things considerably
[20:15] <sinzui> salgado: I think you wan to use warnings.filterwarnings from line 16 as your guide to ignore
[20:15] <sinzui>     DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead
[20:15] <deryck> beuno, ok, fair enough. we're stuck. :)  but assuming we can't get a redesign this cycle, should the table stay where it is now, or move up above the two columns?
[20:15] <beuno> deryck, intellectronica, it's interesting, because if I look at random bugs, the thing that itches the most is comments
[20:15] <deryck> itches?
[20:15] <beuno> espcially activity
[20:15] <beuno> they use up too much horizontal space
[20:16] <beuno> they don't collapse when doing multiple actions at the same time
[20:16] <beuno> it's messy and hard to understand
[20:16] <deryck> right
[20:16] <intellectronica> yeah, that really sucks
[20:16] <beuno> so, if it was up to me, I'd work on that and tweak the bugtask slightly to address the problem with long names in the objects
[20:17] <beuno> to me, that's the biggest improvement I can see
[20:17] <intellectronica> but the ui solution is (i think) obvious. we just need to get them to collapse like bug mail
[20:17] <beuno> making conversations easier to understand and follow
[20:17] <salgado> yeah, I think that's the only way.  even if I get the fascist out of the way we'd still get an error because our test runner tells python to convert warnings into errors
[20:17] <salgado> sinzui, ^
[20:17] <sinzui> yep
[20:18] <sinzui> but there is a test that hacks around this.
[20:18] <salgado> sinzui, thanks for the help, I'll continue the chasing in #launchpad-sprint with the others
[20:18] <sinzui> Or ther ewas a test
[20:18] <deryck> beuno, intellectronica -- that sounds a reasonable plan to me.
[20:18] <beuno> intellectronica, yes, get them to collapse, especially with the comments, and, if that's out of scope for this cycle, make them use up less space
[20:18] <beuno> but if you can make them collapse, I'm super happy
[20:18] <beuno> and I can propsoe a few small tweaks to the bugtask table so it has a bit more space
[20:20] <beuno> for example, the importance column does not need to be so wide
[20:20] <deryck> beuno, intellectronica -- I would rather finish our work already assigned this week and next, not focusing on the bug page too much, then use week 4 to have everyone on bugs team on the bug page, and land something nice week 1 of next cycle.
[20:20] <beuno> deryck, I'm cool with that, when would you need me then?
[20:21] <sinzui> salgado: look in canonical/__init__.py. I puth something in there during the zope upgrades
[20:22] <salgado> hmm
[20:22] <deryck> beuno, how about we finish this dialog now or in email with your suggestions, then we do the work, and you take a look mid-to-late of week 4 at how we're doing?  see if something else springs to mind.
[20:23] <deryck> intellectronica, does this type of plan seem reasonable to you as well?
[20:23] <intellectronica> yes, absolutely
[20:23] <deryck> ok, cool.
[20:23] <beuno> I'm on board as well
[20:23] <deryck> ok, cool. thanks guys!
[20:24] <beuno> deryck, I will write up that email now
[20:24] <deryck> beuno, awesome, thanks!
[20:58] <beuno> jml, I want a bit overboard, but I sent an email of what was floating around in my head
[20:58] <jml> beuno, yay
[20:58] <beuno> left out the constraints because I felt people where going to derrail the email with their own crazy constraints
[20:58] <thumper> morning peoples
[20:58] <beuno> so I'd like that to be a separate thread when we have a better idea of when and what we'll be doing
[20:58] <thumper> beuno: got time for a talk?
[20:58] <beuno> hiya thumper
[20:59] <beuno> thumper, yes, I haven't started doing what I'm supposed to be doing yet
[20:59] <jml> thumper, quick question
[20:59] <thumper> beuno: I have 15m before the standup
[20:59] <thumper> jml: shoot quickly
[20:59] <jml> thumper, any objection to me adding IBranchLookup.getByUrls and exposing it over the API?
[21:00] <thumper> jml: none at all
[21:00] <jml> thumper, yay.
[21:00] <jml> thumper, I think I'm going to make a screencast of "how to patch Launchpad to expose an API"
[21:00] <jml> thumper, and that would fit well, being simple and extremely useful to me personallye.
[21:00] <beuno> thumper, I'm bringing up skype
[21:00] <rockstar> jml, I had been thinking about that for some time.
[21:01] <jml> rockstar, getByUrls or the screencast?
[21:02] <rockstar> jml, the screencast/howto about exposing things through the API.
[21:02] <jml> rockstar, cool. it's a good way to get people started hacking on Launchpad, I think.
[21:09] <rockstar> jml, yea, it's pretty easy.  I think the testing infrastructure for the API could be a little better though.
[21:12] <jml> rockstar, patches accepted :)
[21:13] <rockstar> jml, really?  :)
[21:13] <rockstar> jml, as I recall, it was more a philosophical debate that prevented patches from being made.
[21:13] <jml> rockstar, oh well, philosophy accepted.
[21:15] <beuno> thumper, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/in-memory-launchpad-server/+merge/13613
[21:15] <mwhudson> hello
[21:15] <mwhudson> that branch failed in ec2 test in the strangest way
[21:16] <mwhudson> but i guess you're talking about merge proposal pages in general :-)
[21:17] <beuno> mwhudson, hi
[21:17] <beuno> yes
[21:17] <beuno> the layout has something broken-ish
[21:18] <beuno> the "commit message: label and the actual message are jumbled together
[21:18] <thumper> abentley: skype?
[21:18] <thumper> beuno: yes, just one of the things I want to fix
[21:18] <rockstar> thumper, was just about to ask you the same thing.
[21:18] <beuno> thumper, filing 2 bugs then
[21:19] <abentley> thumper: Do you see me?
[21:20] <abentley> thumper: I'll try hosting again.
[21:20] <rockstar> I think thumper was the only one who couldn't hear any of us.
[21:22] <rockstar> The benefit of Skype is that you don't need the T-Pain plugin.  Everyone already sounds like him.
[21:23] <al-maisan> hello jml, I am considering tackling bug #401525, what do you think?
[21:23] <mup> Bug #401525: Revision.getBranch is not source package aware <feeds> <package-branches> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/401525>
[21:24] <jml> al-maisan, I think you should ask thumper
[21:24] <al-maisan> ah, I see.
[21:24] <beuno> thumper, it is pretty easy to get counts of files and dirs in bzr
[21:26] <al-maisan> build https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lp/builds/257 failed with:
[21:26] <al-maisan>     OperationalError: could not write to file "base/289007/2691": No space left on device
[21:27] <al-maisan> I understand Gavin forced it once already .. how can I find out more about the status of that build?
[21:28] <allenap> al-maisan: That's a tricky one. The build slaves shut down shortly after a failure iirc, so it's difficult to know what's going on.
[21:29] <al-maisan> allenap: OK .. so what is the next step?
[21:29] <allenap> al-maisan: Something to check is if the db setup enables statement logging or not. I'll look into that in the morning.
[21:30] <allenap> al-maisan: If the instance can be caught soon after the failure, a losa can connect to it and see what's filling it up. I think.
[21:30] <al-maisan> allenap: I see.
[21:30] <allenap> al-maisan: If you see it happen, ask a losa immediately.
[21:30] <al-maisan> allenap: thanks -- will do.
[21:31] <kfogel> +1 (+N, really) on jml's idea to make a screencast showing how to patch Launchpad to expose an API.
[21:31] <kfogel> maybe I should say that to jml :-)
[21:31] <jml> kfogel, glad to hear it.
[21:32] <jml> kfogel, I was going to write an email to you & mrevell asking for help, but I got bored halfway through. :)
[21:32] <jml> anyway, I'm going to rot my mind & teeth with video games and chocolate.
[21:33] <mwhudson> ok this is screwy
[21:33] <mwhudson> ./bin/test -vvct lp.code.model.tests.test_branchlookup.TestGetByLPPath fails
[21:33] <mwhudson> ./bin/test -vvc lp.code.model.tests.test_branchlookup TestGetByLPPath
[21:33] <mwhudson> passes
[21:34] <mwhudson> i guess i need to look at test_suite() functions
[21:34] <thumper> that is weird
[21:34] <thumper> jml: how would you feel about a db patch that adds file and directory counts to the branch table?
[21:35] <rockstar> mwhudson, what does -c do?
[21:35] <mwhudson> rockstar: colorization
[21:36] <kfogel> jml: I didn't think you were still here.  Go do something healthy like play video games, but yeah, a walk-through of exposing APIs would be a huge enabling thing for people -- e.g., lfaraone could use it, thinking back to our conversation last night.
[21:36] <rockstar> mwhudson, ah.  I use -vvt to go all the way to a specific test by module all the time.  I'm not sure why that would be failing.
[21:38] <mwhudson> rockstar: the difference is that if you say ./bin/test -vv module it doesn't load all the test modules
[21:39] <rockstar> mwhudson, yeah, so you can specify the module, but not the test class.  At least, that's what I've seen.  Specifying -t means you can specify the class.
[21:40] <mwhudson> rockstar: you can also say -vv module class
[21:41] <rockstar> mwhudson, ah, okay.   Ewww.
[22:50] <mwhudson> (in trunk i guess the module is only imported when the component architecture is set up and things work)
[22:50] <mwhudson> wgrant: i'm going to blame jml's hatred of zcml i think
[22:51] <wgrant> Grok!
[22:51] <mwhudson> yes
[22:51] <wgrant> Well, Martian.
[23:08] <thumper> wgrant: go on then, submit a patch to base launchpad on grok!
[23:13] <wgrant> ME GROK SMASH THUMPER
[23:26] <thumper> mwhudson: has autocomplete on alt-/ stopped for you in emacs 23?
[23:26] <mwhudson> thumper: no
[23:26] <thumper> :(
[23:26] <mwhudson> thumper: C-h c M-/ says what?
[23:27] <thumper> M-/ runs the command pop-tag-mark
[23:27] <mwhudson> well that explains that i guess
[23:27] <mwhudson> it runs dabbrev-expand for me
[23:27] <thumper> gah
[23:27] <mwhudson> pop-tag-mark is on M-* for me
[23:28] <thumper> found it in my .emacs :(


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[19:21] <FloodBot3> lun, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 293?
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[19:26] <FloodBot1> qhartman, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 3 times 2 (3*2)?
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[19:28] <FloodBot1> lkthomas, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: If you have 2 pears and 3 apples, how many fruits do you have?
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[19:42] <FloodBot1> kokonoula_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Which month has only 28 days?
[19:45] <FloodBot1> Phosphate, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What language do Russians speak in Russia?
[19:45] <FloodBot1> Walex2, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last letter in the word 'Linux' (Linux is the kernel upon which Ubuntu is built)?
[19:45] <FloodBot1> Shehrazad_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What color is a violet violin?
[19:46] <FloodBot1> Soru_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Which whole number lies between 8 and 10?
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[19:46] <FloodBot1> dice-man____, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What color is the moon?
[19:47] <FloodBot1> hyprwired1, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the word 'Canonical' (Canonical is the company that funds Ubuntu)
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[19:47] <FloodBot1> xsoh_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What whole number is between 3 and 5?
[19:47] <FloodBot1> HisaoNakai_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 123?
[19:47] <FloodBot1> Neptu_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the word 'Debian' (Debian is the distribution upon which Ubuntu builds)
[19:48] <FloodBot1> milkshake__, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 10 minus 7 (10-7)?
[19:48] <FloodBot1> Htbrdd-, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the number 8 in letters, not in digits
[19:48] <FloodBot1> s1aden, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first letter of the English alphabet?
[19:48] <FloodBot1> compdoc, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How many letters are in the word 'dpkg', which is the program that install and removes packages in Ubuntu?
[19:48] <FloodBot1> c_smith-, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the number 6 in letters, not in digits
[19:49] <FloodBot1> Notch_Johnson, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What continent are the United States of America in?
[19:49] <FloodBot1> dduffey_afk, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Linux is the kernel that Ubuntu uses. How many letters are in 'Linux'?
[19:49] <FloodBot1> Kitar|st_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the word 'Canonical' (Canonical is the company that funds Ubuntu)
[19:49] <FloodBot1> qhartman_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the number 2 in letters, not in digits
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[19:50] <FloodBot1> CyberSix_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 6 minus 3 (6-3)?
[19:50] <FloodBot2> CyberSix_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 6 minus 3 (6-3)?
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[19:50] <FloodBot1> chris||, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the word 'GNOME' (GNOME is Ubuntu's graphical interface)
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[19:50] <FloodBot1> zelluz1, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Which letter lies between B and D in the alphabet?
[19:50] <FloodBot1> onekt, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What continent is France in?
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[19:50] <FloodBot2> zelluz1, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Which letter lies between B and D in the alphabet?
[19:50] <FloodBot2> onekt, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What continent is France in?
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[19:53] <FloodBot1> Neptu, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What letter is between A and C alphabetically?
[19:53] <FloodBot2> Neptu, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What letter is between A and C alphabetically?
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[19:54] <FloodBot1> dduffey, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: Which letter lies between B and D in the alphabet?
[19:54] <FloodBot2> dduffey, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: Which letter lies between B and D in the alphabet?
[19:54] <FloodBot1> Htbrdd, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: What is the first letter in the word 'Amiga'?
[19:54] <FloodBot2> Htbrdd, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: What is the first letter in the word 'Amiga'?
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[19:56] <FloodBot1> chris|, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last name of Linus Torvalds (the creator of Linux)?
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[19:58] <FloodBot1> iggy19_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 123?
[19:58] <FloodBot2> iggy19_, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 123?
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[19:59] <FloodBot2> CyberSix, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last letter in the word 'Linux' (Linux is the kernel upon which Ubuntu is built)?
[20:00] <FloodBot1> pertu, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last name of Linus Torvalds (the creator of Linux)?
[20:00] <FloodBot2> pertu, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last name of Linus Torvalds (the creator of Linux)?
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[20:02] <FloodBot1> g3kk3r, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Pastebin is a site where you should paste your error message, to avoid flooding the channel. How many letters are in the word 'pastebin'?
[20:02] <FloodBot2> g3kk3r, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Pastebin is a site where you should paste your error message, to avoid flooding the channel. How many letters are in the word 'pastebin'?
[20:03] <FloodBot1> sidewalk, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What day comes after Monday?
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[20:03] <FloodBot1> adan0s, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last month of the year?
[20:03] <FloodBot2> adan0s, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last month of the year?
[20:06] <FloodBot1> mooperd, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 456?
[20:06] <FloodBot1> Dragnslcr, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last letter in the word 'Linux' (Linux is the kernel upon which Ubuntu is built)?
[20:06] <FloodBot2> mooperd, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 456?
[20:06] <FloodBot2> Dragnslcr, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the last letter in the word 'Linux' (Linux is the kernel upon which Ubuntu is built)?
[20:10] <FloodBot1> DaveR, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 2 plus 1 (2+1)?
[20:10] <FloodBot2> DaveR, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 2 plus 1 (2+1)?
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[20:12] <FloodBot1> Nexen, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: If you have 2 pears and 3 apples, how many fruits do you have?
[20:12] <FloodBot2> Nexen, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: If you have 2 pears and 3 apples, how many fruits do you have?
[20:12] <FloodBot1> Kiryx, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 6 plus 2 (6+2)?
[20:12] <FloodBot2> Kiryx, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: How much is 6 plus 2 (6+2)?
[20:13] <FloodBot1> Nach0z, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What color is the moon?
[20:13] <FloodBot2> Nach0z, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What color is the moon?
[20:13] <FloodBot1> dsoto, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What whole number comes immediately before 10?
[20:14] <FloodBot2> dsoto, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What whole number comes immediately before 10?
[20:14] <FloodBot1> s00pcan, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the main official language in Spain?
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[20:31] <FloodBot1> Anonynous, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What color is the moon?
[20:41] <FloodBot1> milkshake_, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: What day comes before Sunday?
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[21:14] <FloodBot1> Walex, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: Type the number 5 in letters, not in digits
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[23:54] <FloodBot1> predator217, this is a check to ensure that you're human and not a spambot: What is the first digit in the number 293?