[10:47] <jtaylor> what is the reason gzip is not m-a foreign?
[12:28] <larsduesing> are "Bugs" which are more a wishlist-item ok in launchpad? or how to handle them?
[12:28] <larsduesing> (after reading https://dev.launchpad.net/BugTriage I'm not really sure..
[12:37] <penguin42> larsduesing: Feel free to come over to #ubuntu-bugs for bug triaging
[12:52] <badfox> i have .deb pkg and i wanna upload it into my launchpad
[12:53] <larsduesing> oh, sorry.. :)
[12:58] <SpamapS> badfox: do you mean a PPA?
[12:59] <badfox> SpamapS,  No i am not its owner
[12:59] <badfox> well lemme arrange it
[12:59] <badfox> i have posted in #ubuntu-motu too
[13:04] <badfox> SpamapS,  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/accountsservice/ now its version of Ubuntu is accountsservice 0.6.15-2ubuntu9 but i have its latest version accountsservice_0.6.21-1_i386.deb with me and how can i upload it .
[13:08] <SpamapS> badfox: you are out of date, debian has 0.6.21-4
[13:09] <SpamapS> badfox: all of that Ubuntu specific delta may be important too
[13:10] <badfox> SpamapS,  No they have 21-4 patch
[13:10] <badfox> but  source belongs to 21-1
[13:10] <badfox> so deb came out as 21-1
[13:10] <badfox> please tell me how can i upload it
[13:12] <SpamapS> badfox: to Ubuntu?
[13:12] <badfox> yes
[13:12] <SpamapS> badfox: you need to explain why we can drop all of the extra Ubuntu changes
[13:12] <badfox> Sp4rKy,
[13:12] <badfox> Sp4rKy,  sorry wrong ping
[13:12] <SpamapS> badfox: try 'requestsync accountsservice'
[13:12] <Sp4rKy> :)
[13:13] <badfox> Sp4rKy,  Thank you :)
[13:13] <badfox> SpamapS,  i am new to all these
[13:14] <badfox> SpamapS,  actually in launchpad i have seen that version difference is there between Ubuntu and Debian version
[13:14] <SpamapS> badfox: but please look at the changelog of 0.6.15-2ubuntu1 through 0.6.15-2ubuntu9 to see what has been changed in Ubuntu
[13:15] <badfox> so after taking source from Debian with grab script i have created .deb for it
[13:15] <badfox> SpamapS,  ok so you saying that i cant upload it into Ubuntu but at least to my launchpad ?
[13:19] <badfox> SpamapS,  Not possible ?
[15:51] <slangasek> SpamapS, stgraber, bdmurray, RAOF: bug #1017001 is looking pretty serious; in addition to the two duplicates there, I think this matches another bug that bdmurray identified the other day about mishandling of circular dependencies on upgrade.  Do any of you know of recent SRUs of packages in the base system that might explain what's happening here?
[15:51] <slangasek> bdmurray: ^^ this also means it would really be helpful if we could safely get apt clone data again for upgrades :/
[15:53] <slangasek> bug #969536 being the other bug
[15:53] <slangasek> not as recent, and may or may not be the same root cause
[15:55] <SpamapS> slangasek: looking now
[15:55] <slangasek> ok
[15:55] <SpamapS> slangasek: frankly, the flow of SRU's has been so intense, its hard to recall any single SRU :-P
[15:55] <slangasek> SpamapS: unfortunately I'm going afk now for most of the day... if you can think of anything relevant though, highlight me and I'll try to look this evening
[15:57] <SpamapS> slangasek: indeed, I will disappear soon too, but I'll dig around a bit
[15:57] <slangasek> fwiw looks like jenkins doesn't see this issue. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/view/Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/
[15:57] <slangasek> there are some upgrade failures on the lucid-universe test, but those are unrelated (the upgrade itself doesn't fail)
[16:00] <SpamapS> slangasek: seems like its circular.. upstart depends on initscripts depends on upstart ...
[16:00] <stgraber> slangasek: hmm, can't recall verifying any SRU that introduced a dependency change except for lxc and lxc just started depending on cloud-utils or something like that, so quite unlikely to be the cause
[16:05] <stgraber> slangasek, SpamapS: wondering if these bugs are related to what we say in bug 937196 a while back (and never managed to figure out exactly why it's happening only in some cases and never on my machine...)
[16:15] <SpamapS> stgraber: its possible. Perhaps we should reason about it a bit and figure out which one should be pre-depends of the others
[17:03] <BetaArk> H!
[17:04] <IdleOne> BetaArk: This being the weekend and all it may take some time to get an answer. Just ask and be patient :)
[17:05] <BetaArk> Anyone can help? I'm trying to compile ubuntu-gtk3 to have the overlay-scrollbars on my Archlinux-setup. I got gtk2 working with the overlay-scrollbars, but not with gtk3. How can I compile the latest gtk3 version and enable the overlay-scrollbar?
[17:06] <BetaArk> IdleOne: Thanks :)
[17:11] <ScottK> BetaArk: Wouldn't that better be asked on some Archlinux channel?
[17:13] <BetaArk> ScottK: yes and no.. I want to ask if ubuntu still patches or patch diff in newer versions..
[18:55] <alazare619> anyone in here
[18:55] <alazare619> im trying to get a fresh chroot enviorment of ubuntu newest kernel in the chroot to compile into a iso
[18:56] <alazare619> i suppose i could net install into a vbox and rsync it out of it to a chroot on my main drive but that seems hackish at best
[18:56] <penguin42> alazare619: Do you know debootstrap?
[18:57] <alazare619> yea i tried to debootstrap but it fails with the argument precise
[18:57] <penguin42> what version are you running?
[18:58] <alazare619> precise
[18:58] <alazare619> sudo debootstrap --arch=i386 precise chroot
[18:58] <alazare619> it failed
[18:58] <alazare619> should i use pae instead of i386 since the new kernel is linux-image-generic-pae?
[18:58] <penguin42> hmm, I'm not sure I have a precise install to hand, my quantal version certainly has it
[18:59] <penguin42> no, I don't think that's any different for a debootstrap - but can you explain what you're trying to do with the kernel
[18:59] <penguin42> alazare619: Do you have /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/precise ?
[18:59] <alazare619> iwell im trying to make a iso
[18:59] <alazare619> same way xubuntu kubuntu etc are all made
[19:00] <alazare619> from scratch wich requires a chroot
[19:00] <alazare619> ive used live-build wich is similar for debian based before no problems  it uses debootstrap as well
[19:00] <alazare619> i just want an iso wth just gnome-shell and my hand picked apps etc just for gnome-shell
[19:00] <alazare619> nothing else no unity no nothing else but gnome-shell
[19:01] <penguin42> alazare619: Hmm I don't know how the ISO builds work
[19:01] <alazare619> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[19:04] <alazare619> ooo now it resolves with arch i386
[19:04] <alazare619> heh go figure
[19:17] <KeithW> Hello -- I maintain the mosh package in Debian. Would Ubuntu entertain a request to sync the "testing" version into precise (universe), or are sync requests (for new versions) only for not-yet-released series of Ubuntu?
[19:18] <infinity> KeithW: The latter.
[19:19] <infinity> KeithW: Also, have you noticed the build failure with gcc-4.7 in precise on ARM?
[19:19] <infinity> KeithW: I just saw that last night, haven't had a chance to look into it.
[19:19] <KeithW> Yes, it's a bug in glibc that there is (I think) an open bug in Ubuntu for. It's been fixed upstream.
[19:19] <infinity> KeithW: Oh, point me at the bug?  (I'm the eglibc maintainer)
[19:20] <KeithW> https://bugs.launchpad.net/eglibc/+bug/1016349/
[19:20] <infinity> KeithW: Thanks.
[19:20] <KeithW> Pleasure doing business with you!
[19:20] <infinity> KeithW: Why do you want the sync to precise, BTW?  For the security/DoS issues, or just for new shiny?  I'm sure we can backport the DoS fix.
[19:22] <KeithW> Just for the UI improvements and better error messages in 1.2, mostly. We didn't consider the repeated escape sequence issue to be a security-sensitive bug (and didn't do an emergency release on Debian either).
[19:22] <micahg> KeithW: if there are new features in mosh, you can request a backport to precise with the requestbackport script in ubuntu-dev-tools (also available in Debian)
[19:22] <infinity> (Which goes to precise-backports, not precise-updates)
[19:22] <infinity> KeithW: Kay, yeah.  That would qualify as "new shiny", and not SRU-worthy. :)
[19:23] <KeithW> The hassle is just that we get people with support requests for stuff that we made smoother in 1.2 (but they're running 1.1.3 from the precise repo). Would be more convenient for us if we could get everybody up to 1.2, but I understand that's not the way it works. :-) Thanks for explaining.
[19:23] <infinity> KeithW: And thanks for the pointer to the glibc bug.
[19:23]  * micahg has to try to process some of the backport backlog tonight
[19:24] <KeithW> Anytime.
[19:24] <micahg> KeithW: well, once it's in precise-backports, you can let people it's available there and that they can select the newer version in the Ubuntu Software Center (through a drop down) or their favorite package manager tool
[19:24] <micahg> *people know
[19:24] <infinity> And thanks for mosh, for that matter.  It's friggin' magic.  Love it.
[19:25] <KeithW> Awesome!
[19:27] <infinity> KeithW: One question, since I'm too lazy to read docs.    Not sure where I heard about it.
[19:28] <infinity> reddit via G+, or some other strange roundabout way.
[19:28] <micahg> FWIW, 1.1 got backported all the way to lucid
[19:28] <KeithW> Yeah, I think broder took care of all that.
[19:29] <infinity> Right, so, same thing can be done for the current precise package.
[19:29] <micahg> well, 1.2.2 is in quantal, but yes, it can go to whatever releases someone's willing to test it on
[19:29] <infinity> Err, I meant quantal.
[19:30] <KeithW> I think 1.2.2 is what will be in Debian (7?), and I'll be satisfied if that's what quantal ends up with. If we can get 1.3 out by then, that would be awesome, but not sure we'll make it. (I also don't know exactly when your freeze is.)
[19:31] <micahg> KeithW: we can always backport 1.3 later if it misses the freeze
[19:31] <KeithW> Ok.
[19:31] <infinity> KeithW: Our Debian Import Freeze (as in, when we stop autosyncing) is July 5, Feature Freeze is August 23.
[19:32] <KeithW> Hooboy. Well, we'll see.
[19:32] <infinity> KeithW: But if it doesn't make it for Q, it can always be in R, and get backported from there.
[19:33] <micahg> KeithW: feel free to use requestsync (from ubuntu-dev-tools) between Debian Import Freeze and Feature Freeze, and past feature freeze, if it's important, use requestsync -e and explain why it's important
[19:33] <KeithW> Thanks!
[19:34] <KeithW> I have to say, as a developer, Ubuntu is a half-step ahead of Debian as far as well-built tools go, and then after Debian there is maybe a step or two to Fedora, and then there is a wide, wide gulf for every other platform.
[19:34] <infinity> KeithW: Alternately, ping me, cause I actually use the thing.  You know, if self-service tools that report bugs annoy you. ;)
[19:34] <KeithW> I used requestsync just yesterday or the day before to get 1.2.2 in quantal and it went through maybe yesterday. Now I am high on my newfound capabilities. :-)
[19:35] <infinity> Hahaha.
[19:35] <infinity> That may have been coincidence, I think Colin did an autosync run recently.
[19:35] <infinity> (Unless someone replied to your bug, then not coincidence)
[19:35] <KeithW> It's not normally an 18 hour response time?? Too bad. :-)
[19:36] <infinity> Oh, it can be minutes.
[19:36] <infinity> But not always. :P
[19:36] <infinity> Real humans on the other end of the line and all.
[19:37] <infinity> stgraber: Good news.  Your natty-running Panda hates me as much as the buildds, so debugging this (or hackishly working around it) shouldn't be too much effort.  I hope.
[19:39] <stgraber> infinity: cool :)
[19:39] <infinity> Oh, crap.
[19:39] <infinity> I was using "fall back to gcc-4.5" as a workaround to avoid the new 64-bit atomics in newer GCCs.
[19:39] <infinity> But we haven't rebuilt gcc-4.5 for armv5t.
[19:40] <infinity> So, I'm generating v7 binaries.
[19:40] <infinity> Bother.
[19:40]  * infinity head -> desk.
[19:41] <toabctl> i'm getting a "bus error" when i try to load images with clutter on 12.10 . see http://paste.ubuntu.com/1058035/
[19:42] <alazare619> can someone get me a copy of the preseed file for xubuntu
[19:42] <alazare619> what they use for the packages etc
[19:43] <jbicha> KeithW: the bug was good as it pointed out that the Ubuntu diff wasn't needed anymore
[20:05] <infinity> Ugh.
[20:05] <infinity> Dearest mono, why is your build system so ridiculously fragile?  No love, Me.
[20:10] <ScottK> Think about the mischief you'd be up to if you weren't distracted by mono's build system.  Perhaps it's a win for society?
[20:10] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:12] <infinity> ScottK: But.  But.    I hope you get it sorted.
[20:15] <infinity> Probably not today, now that I've been slowed down by having to build a compiler to build my compiler.
[20:15] <infinity> Maybe I'll go do something socially destructive while I wait on that.
[20:15] <infinity> Just for you.
[20:17] <nigelb> all the love :)
[20:43] <toabctl> filled a bug with a test program for the mesa stuff (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1017243)
[22:51] <robert_ancell> infinity, can I get you to have a look at the vala-0.18 upload?  It's just a new version of vala, I haven't opened a bug for it though as it's pretty standard
[23:12] <robert_ancell> hang on, RAOF and StevenK are also members of ubuntu-archive, can I haz cheezburger?
[23:12] <robert_ancell> ^^^
[23:12]  * RAOF is not an AA; no NEW for you!
[23:13] <RAOF> Also, is the new vala going to generate different C code, making SRUs a tedious business of filtering out thousands of lines of mostly useless diff? </bitter>
[23:13] <robert_ancell> RAOF, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages says ~archive-admin is fine, and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members#active says you are in there!
[23:14] <RAOF> Ok, that wiki page lies; there are now a couple of members of ~ubuntu-archive who aren't archive admins, but *are* SRU people.
[23:14] <robert_ancell> RAOF, well, a logical build system wouldn't pointlessly distribute all that C code
[23:14] <RAOF> I'm also down with that.
[23:15]  * robert_ancell beats his head against (pointless in my opinion) paperwork
[23:15] <robert_ancell> StevenK, I see you hiding there.  Are you also going to claim immunity like RAOF
[23:15] <RAOF> StevenK is a valid victim :)
[23:16] <robert_ancell> why are we so scared of new packages?  If you've got main, you should be able to upload to dev releases and just pull them back if there's a problem
[23:17] <RAOF> Could we rebuild everything with the final vala as a prophylactic measure? I just recently looked at an SRU that had last been uploaded when a 0.15 vala was current, and there was a huge amount of noise vs the 0.16 that ended up in the precise archive.
[23:17] <RAOF> robert_ancell: At least copyright-review; it's not trivial to pull packages that shouldn't be distributed, because we've got a huge mirror network.
[23:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, don't get me started on how pointless debian/copyright is...
[23:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, don't you just ignore the .c files by default?
[23:19] <infinity> robert_ancell: Same packaging as the previous vala?  Like, can I trust you, or should I review this? :P
[23:19] <robert_ancell> infinity, it's pretty much a sed replacement from 0.16 to 0.18.  It's the same quality as any other point release update I'
[23:19] <robert_ancell> d make
[23:19] <RAOF> robert_ancell: If they were guaranteed to be unused by the actual build system, yes (and we just shouldn't ship the damn things in the tarball). But that's not always the case, is it?
[23:19] <robert_ancell> we kind of need a different category between versioned sources in new and really new packages
[23:20] <RAOF> That I can agree with.
[23:20] <robert_ancell> 'cause this is going to happen next cycle, and the cycle after, and ...
[23:20] <infinity> robert_ancell: Yeah, yeah.  It's not a big deal. :P
[23:20] <robert_ancell> RAOF, oh yeah, it's a bit of a review nightmare then.  Can we automatically strip them out of the tarballs somehow?
[23:21] <infinity> robert_ancell: I assume there will be things in main {build-,}depending on this soon?
[23:22] <infinity> robert_ancell: Or should I dump it in universe for now?
[23:22] <robert_ancell> infinity, yep, if you can go straight to main that's great (baobab needs it now), or I'll do the MIR next
[23:23] <infinity> No need for an MIR for new versions of already-mainy stuff.
[23:23] <infinity> Off to main it goes.
[23:23] <infinity> Is there any hope that we'll be able to completely transition and dump all the old versions out? :P
[23:23] <robert_ancell> infinity, oh, so we could have done that for libpwquality?
[23:23] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Can you strip them in the debian/rules clean target?
[23:23] <robert_ancell> infinity, all of GNOME 3.6 should build with vala-0.18
[23:24] <robert_ancell> so practically yes
[23:24] <infinity> robert_ancell: libpwquality didn't have a previous version in main...
[23:24] <robert_ancell> ok
[23:24] <infinity> (But sure, if the MIR comes before the NEWing and is approved, there's no reason for an interim "dump it in universe first" step)
[23:24] <robert_ancell> ok, I'll do it that order next time
[23:25] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I guess we could
[23:25]  * infinity sees vala 0.14, 0.16, and now 0.18 in main and sighs.
[23:25] <infinity> And valac is still from 0.14
[23:26] <robert_ancell> infinity, it should be in the alternatives system now
[23:26] <robert_ancell> and we can probably drop 0.14 or are very close to being able to do so
[23:26] <jbicha> ooh, you could sync vala-0.16 to get 0.16 as the default vala
[23:27] <infinity> jbicha: I'm assuming that would also require a new vala-0.14 that no longer generates the valac package?
[23:27] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hey, I was confused by the alternatives numbering - if you know what we should be doing please do so
[23:30] <jbicha> infinity: it looks like Debian didn't bother doing that, but it's probably a good idea
[23:30] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I don't know what the numbers mean
[23:31] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I think they're priorities, but I don't know how we pick them.  We should probably copy Debian, but they're standardising on 0.16 for their release and we want 0.18
[23:32] <jbicha> I think we still want 0.16 as default until 0.18 settles a bit more though
[23:32] <infinity> I'd recommend using the version (minus decimal) as the default priority (so, 14, 16, 18, etc), and then make your selected default 50 or 100 or something.
[23:32] <robert_ancell> infinity, good idea
[23:32] <infinity> So, if you wanted 16 as the default, you'd have 14, 100, 18.
[23:33] <infinity> But you could also do the gcc-defaults/python-defaults route and have valac be generated from a separate source package that just drops symlinks in instead.
[23:33] <robert_ancell> damn, the MIR team is tiny.  And all outside my timezone I think
[23:33] <infinity> Obviously incompatible with an alternatives system, though.
[23:33] <infinity> doko_: Hey, add me to ~ubuntu-mir already. ;)
[23:34] <robert_ancell> bug 1017285
[23:59] <infinity> robert_ancell: There, and your binaries are all through NEW as well now.  Cheers.
[23:59] <robert_ancell> infinity, thanks!


[01:24] <wxl> @tsimonq2: confirmed on i386
 @wxl, Ack
 @Jacob Kim, In a bit
[18:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to bionic: https://git.io/vAWF7
[18:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/bionic 6a039ad Simon Quigley: Grab some recommends from desktop-share that are nice to have but we don't grab already.
[18:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [release-announcements] tsimonq2 created bionic-beta-1 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vAWbU
[18:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- release-announcements/bionic-beta-1 758fbf2 Simon Quigley: Add the start of the 18.04 Beta 1 announcement.
[19:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-about] tsimonq2 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vAWbl
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[05:32] <Kilos> morning all
[05:55] <Symmetria>  :( good-evil-time-when-horrible-ball-of-fire-appears-in-the-sky
[05:57] <Kilos> ?
[05:59] <Symmetria> lol
[05:59] <Symmetria> you said morning :)
[05:59] <Symmetria> morning = evil-time-when-horrible-ball-of-fire-appears-in-the-sky
[06:34] <Kilos> ah
[06:35] <Kilos> dont forget to chat to Fanie please Symmetria
[06:35] <Kilos> oh now i catch it
[06:35] <Kilos> sorry im so slow
[06:36] <Kilos> thought you saw something online again
[06:54] <superfly> wee! winter in cape town again
[06:57] <Kilos> hi superfly jrgns
[06:57] <inetpro> good morning
[06:58] <superfly> hi inetpro, Kilos
[06:58]  * Kilos greets inetpro
[06:58] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[07:16] <Kilos> we wait for vince and his happy friday
[07:17] <Kilos> aw its thursday
[07:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:37] <Kilos> hi henkj
[07:39] <henkj> hi kilos
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[08:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:04] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:14] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:14] <psyatw> I've been away for some time, I have no internet at my father's place
[09:15] <psyatw> how have you been?
[09:15] <Kilos> well ty and you?
[09:16] <psyatw> I'm also ok, thanks
[09:17] <Kilos> good. meeting monday evening here or will you be offline still?
[09:17] <psyatw> I'm using this absence from the internet to study some stuff that I've wanted to learn for quite some time
[09:17] <Kilos> thats good
[09:18] <psyatw> I'm afraid I usually can't make it on monday evenings, but I will try to see if I can be here at my friend's office for a little longer
[09:19] <Kilos> cool
[10:55] <zeref> hmmmmm
[11:13] <magespawn> afternoon y'all
[11:15] <magespawn> hey zeref
[11:41] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[11:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[12:26] <magespawn> how is this an it job http://itjobs.mybroadband.co.za/jobs/executive-sous-chef-1758067/
[13:00] <theblazehen> hi all, Kilos
[13:00] <zeref> allo
[13:15] <griffin_> Hi kilos
[13:33] <Kilos> ohi griffin_
[13:33] <Kilos> and theblazehen
[13:37] <Kilos> Maaz: announce Meeting monday night all of you.  Why isn't there a #python-za channel? :?
[13:45] <tumbleweed> Maaz: literal announce $1
[13:45] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Sorry...
[13:46] <tumbleweed> Trixar_za: there's #ctpug
[13:46] <Trixar_za> I'm idling in #python, so I've noticed other countries has a specialized channel for it
[13:47] <Trixar_za> or maybe it's just linguistically based
[13:47] <tumbleweed> quite likely, yes
[13:47] <tumbleweed> oh, of course:
[13:47] <tumbleweed> Maaz: literal announce $arg
[13:47] <Maaz> tumbleweed: 1: <reply> Announcement from $who! $1, 2: <reply> Hear ye, hear ye! $1
[13:47] <tumbleweed> that should work
[13:47] <Kilos> yay ty tumbleweed. what made then forget that
[13:47] <tumbleweed> he didn't forget it
[13:48] <tumbleweed> Maaz: fish please
[13:48] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Go get it yourself!
[13:48] <tumbleweed> Maaz: literal $arg please
[13:48] <Maaz> tumbleweed: 1: <reply>$who: Go get it yourself!
[13:48] <tumbleweed> ^ there's your problem
[13:48] <tumbleweed> Maaz: forget $arg please
[13:48] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Okay
[13:48] <tumbleweed> Kilos: try again now
[13:49] <Kilos> Maaz: announce Meeting monday evening all. please be here>
[13:49] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting monday evening all. please be here>
[13:49] <Kilos> ty tumbleweedill try sort QA the same way
[13:49] <tumbleweed> Kilos: QA probably doesn't have that please factoid
[13:50] <tumbleweed> Kilos: and probably doesn't have an anounce factoid, either
[13:50] <tumbleweed> so teach him about announce
[13:50] <Kilos> oh
[13:50] <Kilos> oh ok ty
[15:07] <james_n7> helloo :P :)
[15:10] <Kilos> hi james_n7
[15:11] <james_n7> Extreme noob here :P
[15:11] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:12] <Kilos> we are here to help if you have probs
[15:12] <Kilos> just sometimes you gotta be patient
[15:12] <Kilos> the brainy guys are a busy breed
[15:13] <james_n7> lol indeed ;) Not a big ubuntu user actually... Mostly Arch
[15:14] <Kilos> the guys here help with all linux distros
[15:14] <inetpro> Kilos: don't fear when the weed is near
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe
[15:15] <Kilos> yip thank heavens
[15:16] <james_n7> :P What is zenity? Wanting to instal mate, but says conflicts with zenity... dont want to remove it if its important
[15:18] <Kilos> james_n7: you wanna install mate into unity?
[15:18] <Kilos> it just installs fine normally
[15:18] <james_n7> adding it to arch... Unfimiliar with the term unity, sorry Kilos
[15:19] <Kilos> oh sorry unity is the ubuntu interface
[15:19] <Kilos> but i am using mate here on lubuntu
[15:20] <Kilos> just install it. you can always go back and install zenity again if you arent happy
[15:20] <james_n7> lol i dont have ubuntu... my Arch is currently on my usb :)
[15:21] <Kilos> ah and you want to install mate there as well
[15:21] <james_n7> well what is zenity? :)
[15:22] <james_n7> is it a component of gnome
[15:22] <Kilos> i dont know arch at all and the chappy that does has gone off already
[15:22] <Kilos> lemme look
[15:23] <Kilos> does arch have a package manager?
[15:23] <james_n7> oh i see... :P Wel no probs, will uninstall and if i need it, will make a plan :)
[15:23] <james_n7> Pacman? :)
[15:24] <Kilos> it says its display graphical dialogue boxes
[15:24] <Kilos> but mate does all of that
[15:24] <Kilos> mate installs lotsa stuff
[15:25] <james_n7> I mainly use enlightenment... so as long as it doesnt affect that, then no problem :)
[15:26] <Kilos> try be here monday evening at 19.30 we have our monthly meeting
[15:26] <james_n7> Kilos: Thanks for the help :)
[15:26] <Kilos> yw visit more often
[15:27] <james_n7> ah will try :) Thanks :) theblazehen is my mentor lol, hes currently unavailable so i thought i'd come chat to you guys... :)
[15:27] <Kilos> anytime we are always here
[15:28] <james_n7> Thanks :D
[15:48] <magespawn> home time later all
[15:58] <smile4ever> hi :D
[15:58] <smile4ever> magespawn: hi or bye? :p
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: en waar kom die lekker donderstorm vandaan?
[16:44] <Kilos> lekker ne
[16:44] <inetpro> baie
[16:45] <Kilos> hi smile4evertrix
[16:45] <Kilos> ai Trix[a]r_za
[16:45] <Kilos> inetpro: how do i make konversation add the space after tab complete
[16:46] <Kilos> only adds the space if one starts with the nick
[16:47] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[16:47] <inetpro> why you want a space when there's no nick?
[16:48] <Kilos> ok look inetprohow do you see this
[16:48] <Tonberry> this is normal
[16:48] <Kilos> inetpro: is a nick
[16:48] <Kilos> xchat adds the space there
[16:48] <Kilos> like if you greet more than one peep
[16:49] <inetpro> hmm....
[16:49] <inetpro> should do the same by default
[16:50] <Kilos> ok lets see inetproton
[16:50] <Kilos> see
[16:50] <Kilos> grrr
[16:51] <inetpro> ton?
[16:51] <Kilos> and i cant copy paste the agenda link up there so i have to type it out and thats dicey
[16:51] <Kilos> Tonberry
[16:52] <Kilos> doesnt tab complete because there aint no space after your nick
[16:52] <Kilos> yo hibana wb
[16:52]  * hibana wonder wat is Kilos se probleem
[16:52] <Kilos> werk joune?
[16:53] <hibana> what's so difficult to type a space?
[16:53] <Kilos> i forget
[16:53] <Kilos> im used to it being done automatically
[16:53] <hibana> ai Kilos en wat as jy 'n komma wil insit?
[16:54] <Kilos> inetpro: ,
[16:54] <hibana> there is a setting to cover it you know
[16:54] <Kilos> maar nie hier nie
[16:54] <Kilos> hi inetpro<
[16:54] <Kilos> ai
[16:54] <Kilos> hi inetpro,
[16:55] <hibana> settings | configure konversation | General
[16:55] <hibana> 1. Suffix at start of line
[16:55] <hibana> 2. Elsewhere
[16:57] <hibana> and the topic line, just hover the mouse underneath the topic and grab the line to adjust
[16:58] <Kilos> where do you see configure konversation
[16:58] <hibana> ai!
[16:58] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Kilos> oh here not main settings
[16:59] <Kilos> sorry
[16:59] <hibana> Kilos: File, Edit, Insert, Bookmarks, Settings, Window, Help
[16:59] <hibana> that ^^ is the menu
[16:59] <hibana> click Settings and choose the last option "Configure Konversation"
[17:01] <Kilos> i see elsewhere
[17:01] <inetpro> now Kilos if you put a space in there it will add a space automagically
[17:02] <Kilos> and a : in suffix at start of line
[17:02] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[17:02] <inetpro> that is working, not?
[17:02] <Kilos> hi inetpro hibana
[17:02] <Kilos> yoohooo ty sir
[17:03] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[17:03]  * inetpro goes to have dinner
[17:03] <inetpro> wbbl
[17:03] <Kilos> me too
[17:03] <Kilos> enjoy
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: en hoekom bly jy nou so stl?
[17:33] <Kilos> sug
[17:33] <Kilos> my vriend is weg
[17:33] <inetpro> wie?
[17:34] <Kilos> hibana
[17:34] <inetpro> ai!
[17:34] <Kilos> nie eers gegroet nie
[17:34] <inetpro> jy moet met jouself gesels as hy weg is
[17:34] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:35] <Kilos> net mal mense doen dit
[17:35] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:36] <Kilos> nee ek is nie
[17:36] <Kilos> te dom om mal te wees
[17:36] <Kilos> nou maak QA ook reg
[17:59] <Kilos> wb james_n7
[18:00] <james_n7> Got Mate, and I must say, its very nice ! Best i've tested so far :)
[18:03] <Kilos> its the same or similar as the old ubuntu
[18:03] <Kilos> when ubuntu used gnome2
[18:03] <Kilos> now switched to unity
[18:04] <Kilos> you should have a look at unity as well
[18:05] <james_n7> untiy as in ubuntu and lubuntu and all that?
[18:05] <Kilos> works great on a fast pc
[18:06] <Kilos> unity is the main ubuntu lubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu use different interfaces
[18:06] <Kilos> kubuntu uses kde, xubuntu uses xfce i think
[18:06] <james_n7> I have Ubuntu on a pc... Its great, but i enjoy arch because of the freedom in customising
[18:07] <james_n7> Oh yes... I have tried them all out, found Ubuntu to be the coolest for me :)
[18:07] <Kilos> you should try kubuntu then. very configurable
[18:08] <james_n7> Sounds good :) Play Minetest?
[18:08] <Kilos> nope i dont play many games
[18:09] <james_n7> Oh I see :P
[18:10] <Kilos> im a bally
[18:11] <james_n7> Thought as much lol :P
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <james_n7> What do you do? Just curious, seeing as you are online most of the time :P
[18:12] <Kilos> i play red alert and AOE whenever i install windows for some or other reason
[18:13] <Kilos> im a semi disabled peep that stays on a plot by my sister and her husband
[18:13] <james_n7> Oh ok cool :D Nice games :D I see :P
[18:17] <Kilos> Symmetria: and feedback?
[18:17] <Kilos> any
[18:18] <Kilos> hi not_found
[18:19] <Kilos> sneaking again
[18:19] <not_found> hiya uncle Kilos
[18:20] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping
[18:27] <superfly> tumbleweed: don't worry, I've managed to fix the one issue, I should be able to fix the other too
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: literal announce $arg
[18:34] <Maaz> inetpro: 1: <reply> Announcement from $who! $1, 2: <reply> Hear ye, hear ye! $1
[18:34] <inetpro> tumbleweed: how do you add a 2nd or 3rd factoid when you deal with an $arg
[18:50] <Kilos> hi grantw
[18:52] <grantw> hellow
[18:57] <superfly> hey grantw
[19:03] <grantw> hey superfly
[19:07] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:09] <superfly> grantw: I don't know if you have quite figured out who i am... you met me at the global jam, I was the guy who came by train
[19:11] <grantw> oh, hey, thought i might have met you :)
[19:12] <superfly> :-)
[19:13] <grantw> superfly: this open source world is so big, i almost don't know where to start as a keen software developer, guess it will take me a while
[19:13] <grantw> superfly: i have been really busy though :( work is getting busy
[19:14] <superfly> grantw: there are various ways to go about it... even just taking the time to submit bug reports makes a huge difference
[19:15] <superfly> I can tell you from my own experience that we had to very quickly release a 2.0.1 update after our 2.0 release because people didn't take the time to report 2 major bugs
[19:44] <smile4ever> good night :)
[20:38] <tumbleweed> superfly: hi. sorted?
[20:38] <tumbleweed> inetpro: good question, can't think of the answer right now
[20:38] <superfly> tumbleweed: yes, it was an issue with dkms
[20:39] <tumbleweed> ah, not an area of my expertise
[20:39] <superfly> which meant that both my VirtualBox modules and my nvidia graphics drivers weren't working
[20:39] <superfly> some googling fixed it up
[22:02] <nuvolari> fp
[22:08] <Kerbero> hmm, ek is nie gegroet deur kilos nie