[00:21] <keithzg> Aha, the people commenting on askubuntu.com just had some details wrong (as usual :P), reading the actual man page clarifies where they were wrong and now things are working for my coworker to insecurely forward X11 over telnet :)
[02:41] <ghaz> Hi, everyone!
[02:42] <ghaz> I have no manu bars on several apps, like VLC..how to show it?
[02:44] <ghaz> I'm using Kubuntu 17.04.
[06:32] <user|55100> Hello, I have a quick question about Kubuntu. Is touchscreen supported on this IS? If not, can you redirect me to a version of Linux that does? Thank you
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:15] <GizmoRomick> I keep having plasma UI crashes and restarts.  I don't know where to really start looking for the problem, and the plasma irc channel is silent.  Can anyone help me?
[07:15] <GizmoRomick> lorgievader: good morning to you too
[07:15] <lordievader> o/
[07:17] <GizmoRomick> I like the note on Developer information tab, "The generated crash information is probably not useful"
[09:08] <CoJaBo> Is there a way to remote-desktop/VNC into a Kubuntu (14.04) install with only ssh? KRDC is installed, but it doesn't seem to be operable via cli... :/
[09:09] <hateball> CoJaBo: well you can tunnel VNC over SSH
[09:10] <CoJaBo> hateball: The difficult part is getting the VNC part to run; another hiccup, the package manager appears to be hopelessly broken, and I don't want to be spending 4 hours figuring out why
[09:11] <CoJaBo> KRDC would work perfect, but it seems to only be startable via the GUI; except, I can't start it via the GUI, since I need it running to use the GUI <_<
[09:13] <hateball> KRDC is a client and not a server
[09:13] <hateball> maybe you mean krfb ?
[09:13] <CoJaBo> Yes, it's probably krfb that I'm talking about
[09:14] <hateball> does it have to be VNC? You cant just do X-forwarding?
[09:15] <CoJaBo> In this case, I need the full desktop :/
[09:41] <CoJaBo> So, apparently x11vnc is already installed.
[09:41] <CoJaBo> that works..
 Good day everyone
[10:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:52] <esperos> join /r/anime
[15:55] <marcofe> hi guys
[15:56] <BluesKaj> hi
[15:57] <marcofe> I want you ask an information to you...I've two PCs one local and one remote and I want start startx on the remote machine from the local machine (I've a ssh session open in the local machine)...how to do this?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> marcofe, if you've already ssh'd into the remote pc then just run startx normally at the prompt
[16:00] <marcofe> i did, but nothing in the remote display
[16:02] <BluesKaj> did you  ssh -Y user@remoteIP ?
[16:16] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is only if you want to use your local display for a remote application.
[16:17] <lordievader> marcofe: I think you need to set the DISPLAY variable beforhand. 'export DISPLAY=:0 && startx'.
[16:19] <BluesKaj> thanks lordievader  :-)
[16:24] <marcofe> so guys, nothing is happening
[16:24] <marcofe> uhmm
[16:26] <BluesKaj> is remote pc on your network or over the internet
[16:28] <marcofe> on my network
[16:33] <BluesKaj> so you're trying to boot your network pc desktop remotely, and why is that?
[16:36] <lordievader> marcofe_: Does it work if you issue `startx` from a tty?
[16:40] <kamba> hello. does anybody know how to update plasma 5.8 to 5.10 on kubuntu
[16:40] <marcofe_> lordievader:  It seems the command is stared because I noticed a lot of folder are created (like Desktop, Music..). These folders there wasn't before
[16:40] <kamba> i set ppa backports do full upgrade no changes
[16:42] <lordievader> marcofe_: Is a desktop started (or whatever you have configured startx to do)?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> kamba, there might be a ppa for your kubuntu version, check launchpad for the staging repos
[16:45] <kamba> is launchpad like synaptic package manager
[16:45] <kamba> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports i use this one
[16:46] <BluesKaj> kamba, check this, but heed the warnings these ppas contain development apps https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[16:48] <BluesKaj> that ppa has the 5.11 plasma
[16:48] <kamba> yes i found what you want just before you answer. i wanna use stable. i found this https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-10-1-now-in-zesty-backports/
[16:48] <kamba> so i am wondering if there is stable release
[16:49] <marcofe_> lordievader: the desktop is not started
[16:49] <BluesKaj> 5.10 is still under development if it's not in the backports
[16:50] <marcofe_> lordievader:  imagine I've a tty screen login and nothing
[16:50] <acheronuk> kamba: if you mean for 16.04, Plasma 5.8 is the highest version we have built for that
[16:51] <kamba> ok thanks for informations. since i am in dev group does anybody know when stable releases will be out
[16:52] <acheronuk> kamba: not sure what you mean. Kubuntu has a stable release every 6 months
[16:52] <kamba> no just plasma upgrade
[16:52] <kamba> new features
[16:53] <acheronuk> if you mean when will the backports ppa for 16.04 get a plasma version higher than 5.8 the answer is that it probably won't
[16:54] <acheronuk> Newer plasma is in 17.10, and will be in the next LTS 18.04 in April
[16:56] <BluesKaj> I"m testing 18.04 and it uses plasma 5.10 atm
[16:57] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: 18.04 should ship with 5.12 eventually
[16:58] <BluesKaj> right
[17:05] <acheronuk> kamba: 5.8 is a plasma LTS release, so that goes with 16.04 LTS well. plus newer plasma would also mean upgrading Qt again in the PPA, which is not very viable at this stage for us
[17:16] <user|84665> i have a problem with Konsole, is there anyone that could help me with this?
[17:18] <user|84665> So i installed bash ( and my konsole changed) I tried uninstall it, but i could not. And now when I try to test my scala code, i get errors.
[17:18] <user|84665> Is there a way to reverse those changes and go back to standard Konsole?
[17:20] <user|84665> I did try to google my problem but no help there
[17:21] <user|84665> anyone?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> why did you remove bash ?
[17:24] <user|84665> so long story short I wanted to install ruby on rails to do my project
[17:24] <BluesKaj> try to rather, it's default
[17:25] <user|84665> I followed one of the tutorials which suggest to use bash,
[17:25] <user|84665> i followed it step by step and installed everything
[17:25] <user|84665> i could not remove bash
[17:27] <BluesKaj> of course not
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !konsole
[17:29] <BluesKaj> don't muck about with trying to change the konsole, you just end up in a pickle
[17:29] <BluesKaj> user|84665,^
[17:30] <user|84665> http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/installing-rails-5-windows
[17:30] <user|84665> i used this tutorial
[17:31] <user|84665> http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/installing-rails-5-linux
[17:31] <user|84665> *
[17:31] <user|84665> and i think i messed it with this command
[17:31] <user|84665> gpg --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 409B6B1796C275462A1703113804BB82D39DC0E3
[17:31] <user|84665> \curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable
[17:33] <m_tadeu> hi...sudenly, my mouse and keyboard are being disabled after a few secs...what is this?
[17:37] <user|84665> @blueskaj @ubottu thank you
[19:58] <joppe_> is er iemand nu nog online
[22:55] <kaosine> Ok stupid question. How well would I fare installing kubuntu and wine/tricks on a old dell 3847? (especially since I hope if things go well soon that I might be able to upgrade the ram from 8 to 16, put a ssd in it, and a dedicated nvidia card in it)
[23:11] <kaosine> anyone?
[23:14] <acheronuk> kaosine: I have installed Kubuntu on one of those. Not really any problems
[23:15] <kaosine> acheronuk: just wanted to make sure....considering the computer is at least 2 or 3 years old....just gotta burn a dvd to install it. I'm completely sick of windows now the older I get >_>
[23:15] <acheronuk> bluetooth was a bit glitchy on older kernels, but recent ones are ok I think
[23:15] <kaosine> just made the stupid mistake of not grabbing the mouse so I'm a little stuck on this endeavor since it's hard for me to navigate it without that to burn the disk
[23:16] <kaosine> was able to get far enough to see my live disk of 10.04.1 lts of regular ubuntu still works though funnily enough
[23:16] <acheronuk> the one I installed on had a Nvidia card, so not sure what the onboard intel HD 4600 graphics does
[23:16] <kaosine> (and yes I know that version is 7 years old now XD)
[23:17] <kaosine> yeah the plan is to eventually put a nvidia card in it
[23:17] <kaosine> I'm just too broke to do so just yet
[23:18] <acheronuk> SSD would be a good plan. 250GB one was about £50-60 a year or so ago
[23:18] <kaosine> the plan is to get a nvidia card, a ssd, and upgrade from 8 to 16gb of ram
[23:19] <kaosine> the default drive will keep it's place in teh system since it's a 1tb regular hdd, but I'll have to see how it works out once I get that ssd since that might mean reinstalling unless it's possible to change it later
[23:19] <acheronuk> kaosine: if you looks at the intel HD 4600 vs the Nvidia card that was an option for those machines from the factory, the onboard intel actually outperforms the Nvidia on a fair number of benchmarks
[23:19] <acheronuk> but a better Nvidia would obviously be superior
[23:20] <kaosine> yeah but it doesn't have hdmi(which won't matter since I'll probably be hooking up my steam link to it once I get back to the dorm)
[23:20] <kaosine> but I do want to fudge it a little and go for a midground card better than what's built in
[23:21] <kaosine> I just have to figure out my way around wine, I've never had luck before and i want to learn
[23:21] <acheronuk> I used to use it a bit, but not for years
[23:22] <acheronuk> and mostly I used Codeweaver's version when I did
[23:22] <acheronuk> but only as I had it free
[23:22] <kaosine> well if I do those upgrades it should last me for years if I do it right
[23:22] <kaosine> I'm too broke to turn down a free computer :P
[23:23] <acheronuk> here = 16GB ram, 256DG SSD, 2 x 1TB HDD
[23:23] <acheronuk> and it is quite reasonable for a few years old machine
[23:24] <acheronuk> the 4 core CPU is better than many things now
[23:24] <kaosine> The issue is I keep aquring old computers somehow...my original plan was to install lubuntu on a 530
[23:25] <kaosine> then I turn around when I come to stay at my grandmothers and she says I can just have this one since she only uses her laptop now anyways
[23:25] <kaosine> and I have like 3 windows xp laptops too >_>
[23:25] <acheronuk> lol
[23:26] <kaosine> but yeah, those upgrades and I'm certain I can make this computer last for years to come
[23:26] <kaosine> especially since 8gb of ram and the current hdd is probably nice but changing to 16 and a ssd will probably make it run like new
[23:27] <acheronuk> it should :)
[23:27] <kaosine> I just have no clue how to tell what cards will fit into the darned thing since it says pci-e but not if it's 3.0 or what just x1 and x16 o_o
[23:28] <kaosine> (I'm a programmer not a hardware guy....hardware confuses the crap out of me unless I have a guide on what I'm doing)
[23:28] <acheronuk> not touched the graphics card, so not sure to be honest
[23:30] <kaosine> well if you know anything about hardware it'd help to figure out if I was ok to just put a 3.0 pci-e in it....I'm that clueless about hardware apparently http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_inspiron_desktop/inspiron-3847-desktop_owner's%20manual_en-us.pdf


[03:08] <DarkTrick2> I hope my msg is seen here?
[03:12] <DarkTrick2> my sys hangs at initramfs. fsck leads to 'undefined symbol ext2fs_check_encoded_name'. If I run fsck from a rescue partition it states everything is alright
[03:12] <DarkTrick2> any ideas?
[08:18] <DarkTrick2> I'm reinstalling xub over my current installation. I have the feeling the process is stuck. Is there a way to check if it's still working?
[08:18] <DarkTrick2> I think it's running for an hour now
[08:19] <DarkTrick2> it still says "removing conflicting operating system files"
[08:20] <KBar> DarkTrick2 please, avoid cross-posting. I provided a suggestion on the main channel.
[08:21] <DarkTrick2> KBar: will do
[08:21] <DarkTrick2> I was worried yukiup's comment would've been the last one
[17:41] <xubuntu62iRF> VSEM PRIVET
[18:14] <bodiccea> I have 2 machines running Xubuntu 21.10. One of them does not upgrade the kernels (still 5.13.0-28-generic), while the other has 5.13.0-30-generic). Any idea on what could trigger/prevent a kernel upgrade ?
[18:30] <bodiccea> forget my question, this is "Pre-released updates" option in "Software & Updates" :-)


[00:10] <MuckRaker> For the record - yes - there is a satanic record within both ubuntu and its record of mechanics.
[00:12] <MuckRaker> I have recorded many of these transparent tenencies and can prove it. inux being the target.
[00:12] <MuckRaker> No, i am not a kook.
[00:12] <bray90820> So i am using ubuntu 22.04 and every time I restart the OS creates a bridged network called docker
[00:12] <MuckRaker> I am a retired electronic engineer.
[00:13] <MuckRaker> Please do not do what you think you have to to me. thanks.
[00:14] <MuckRaker> your system, along with ALL systems have it.
[00:14] <oerheks> !fud
[00:14] <oerheks> MuckRaker, is there a support question in there?
[00:14] <MuckRaker> that being said. we the people have no place to go.
[00:14] <MuckRaker> oerheks , hear me out.
[00:15] <tomreyn> MuckRaker: please, this is a support channel only. if you don't have a support question, please chat elsewhere.
[00:15] <oerheks> bray90820, so docker is still active?
[00:16] <MuckRaker> I cant, with all conscience believe you people think im a kook.
[00:16] <tomreyn> right now i'm mostly thinking you're someone not playing along with the irc guidelines stated in the channel /topic
[00:17] <bray90820> MuckRaker: well I'm not sure because when I do a purge of Docker ubuntu tells me it's not installed
[00:17] <MuckRaker> you possibly cant think, with all evidence, think that me, along with other complaints, seem to be obvious.
[00:18] <MuckRaker> ok, I get it - linux is now had, you people are smart, but continue to take the common man as fools.... right ?
[00:19] <leftyfb> MuckRaker: that's enough. This is a support channel.  Is it possible to have it backup more frequently than weekly?
[01:03] <leftyfb> BlueRayz: non-support discussions belong in #ubuntu-offtopic. Share your new computer in there
[01:03] <oerheks> daily, hourly, incremental?
[01:03] <aje> I want the backup to run hourly if possible.
[01:04] <aje> But it only seems to allow running weekly.
[01:08] <AKX> aje: To where are you backing up? USB Drive? Network Share? FTP? Etc....?
[01:10] <oerheks> !info grsync
[01:12] <oerheks> put that in a systemd timer https://blog.jlcarveth.dev/systemd_timers
[01:14] <tomreyn> aje: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/deja-dup/-/issues/111 discusses how to make your existing backup application, Déjà Dup, backup in shorter intervals.
[01:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 111 in World/deja-dup "Advanced scheduling support" [Opened]
[01:23] <Ubuntu123> leftyb and all others - you have no control to be wich your controled by - here is the skinny - they - controll both your content ans as well as your answer - im lucky to be here as i had to re-boot 7 times just to get here.
[01:24] <Ubuntu123> That being said - im changing operating machines.
[01:24] <tomreyn> we call this ban evasion. you can /join #ubuntu-ops or message me directly if you have questions about it
[01:25] <Ubuntu123> tomren.. shut the fuk up,, your os sucks ass ass hole.
[01:26] <ComputerTech> this may be a dumb question, but if i'm currently using 23.10 beta, will just constant updates overtime make me eventually on the stable release? or will i need to do a 'do-release-uprade' release again to get to the stable release?
[01:29] <oerheks> you will end up with the same released packages, ComputerTech
[01:29] <ComputerTech> okay
[01:29] <oerheks> no other steps needed, apt dist-upgrade
[01:29] <ComputerTech> alrighty
[01:29] <ComputerTech> thx oerheks :)
[01:35] <spoonCat> hey
[01:36] <spoonCat> i need some help anyone around?
[01:36] <tomreyn> !ask | spoonCat
[01:36] <tomreyn> and hello to you, too
[01:37] <spoonCat> how is it goin?
[01:37] <tomreyn> ubuntu support is going well
[01:37] <spoonCat> nice
[01:38] <spoonCat> glad to read it
[01:38] <spoonCat> i just upgraaded to 23.10 and some problem rised
[01:39] <tomreyn> that's unfortunate. got any more details?
[01:39] <spoonCat> sure
[01:40] <spoonCat> is that true sources.list https://dpaste.org/Ga7kY
[01:40] <tomreyn> looks fine to me
[01:40] <spoonCat> okay first is checked
[01:41] <spoonCat> my another problem is i connect external monitor to my computer
[01:41] <spoonCat> i cannot get the view
[01:41] <spoonCat> before upgrade that have worked fine
[01:42] <tomreyn> what do you mean by "i cannot get the view"? are you unable to activate the monitor in Settings? does the monitor not seem to work generally?
[01:42] <tomreyn> is it showing screen artifacts but working otherwise?
[01:42] <spoonCat> no signal i got
[01:42] <spoonCat> i connected the hdmi cable
[01:43] <tomreyn> did you configure it in Settings?
[01:43] <spoonCat> settings -> disply?
[01:44] <tomreyn> yes
[01:44] <tomreyn> that's unless you're using nvidia proprietary driversm then you'd use the nvidia-settings application
[01:45] <aje> tomreyn: Thank yuo
[01:45] <aje> you*
[01:45] <spoonCat> https://ibb.co/7zjVhVz
[01:45] <spoonCat> rgis is display i see
[01:45] <tomreyn> aje: you're welcome
[01:46] <spoonCat> well i have nvidia card
[01:46] <tomreyn> and your external monitor is connected to the nvidia card?
[01:47] <spoonCat> https://ibb.co/cTBMhpy
[01:47] <spoonCat> i just connect my screen ith hdmi
[01:47] <spoonCat> i dont think it is connected to nvidia
[01:49] <tomreyn> is this a laptop or desktop computer?
[01:50] <spoonCat> laptop
[01:50] <tomreyn> so yes, you are using proprietary drivers, and must use the Nvidia Settings application to manage displays
[01:51] <spoonCat> nvidia settings does not have much
[01:51] <tomreyn> if you run      lspci -nnd ::0300     in a terminal emulator (such as "Terminal") it should print which nvidia graphics card you have there
[01:52] <spoonCat> yea 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GA106M [GeForce RTX 3060 Mobile / Max-Q] [10de:2520] (rev a1)
[01:54] <tomreyn> you should be able to switch to nvidia driver series 535 (or 530)
[01:55] <tomreyn> 535 supports "GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU" according to https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/211711/en-us/
[01:55] <tomreyn> ubuntu provides 535 (but not 530)
[01:56] <tomreyn> ...in 23.10, that is
[01:56] <spoonCat> using ubuntu nvidia driver meta packge 535 propery tested
[01:56] <spoonCat> let me install that
[01:57] <tomreyn> spoonCat: why you cannot configure the screen in nvidia settings, i do not know, though. it *might* be that version, but more likely it's some other issue
[01:57] <tomreyn> i'm not very fluent with nvidia proprietary drivers
[01:58] <spoonCat> https://ibb.co/yPddHZ6
[01:58] <spoonCat> application profile is empty
[01:58] <spoonCat> so i dont know
[01:59] <tomreyn> hmm this looks as if it's not being used.
[02:00] <tomreyn> normally this would rather look something like this: https://linuxhint.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/16-14.png
[02:01] <spoonCat> yeah
[02:01] <spoonCat> another problem is i have three kernel in system
[02:01] <spoonCat> in the current kernel wireless didnt work
[02:01] <spoonCat> in second current i got view on external screen not on my screen
[02:02] <spoonCat> something peculiar going on here
[02:02] <tomreyn> which is the current kernel?    cat /proc/version
[02:02] <tomreyn> which kernel images are installed?    apt list --installed linux-image* | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:03] <spoonCat> there are three kernels
[02:04] <spoonCat> i guess this is the kernel i use right
[02:04] <spoonCat> Linux version 5.19.0-45-generic (buildd@lcy02-amd64-063) (x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-12 (Ubuntu 12.2.0-3ubuntu1) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.39) #46-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Wed Jun 7 09:08:58 UTC 2023
[02:05] <spoonCat> https://termbin.com/xa8b
[02:06] <tomreyn> spoonCat: right, 5.19.0-45-generic is not from 23.10
[02:06] <tomreyn> it will be a leftover from before your upgrade
[02:07] <tomreyn> what does not work with the 6.5.0 kernel?
[02:08] <spoonCat> is there aa problem here btw https://dpaste.org/mdM51
[02:09] <spoonCat> wireless
[02:09] <tomreyn> uh yes, there's a couple problems, i guess
[02:10] <tomreyn> you seem to play mix'n'mojo with apt repositories for different linux distributions and releases
[02:10] <spoonCat> i showed my sources.list to you
[02:10] <spoonCat> wht should i do?
[02:11] <tomreyn> sources.list contains the main ubuntu package archives. but there is also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[02:11] <tomreyn> which will conain the other repositories, i assume
[02:12] <tomreyn> i would recommend a clean install
[02:13] <spoonCat> i just lost my usb
[02:13] <spoonCat> i removed file inside sources.list.d
[02:14] <tomreyn> this doesn't solve the issue that you probably still have packages installed from these repositories. are you saying you removed all of them?
[02:16] <spoonCat> problematic ones
[02:16] <tomreyn> if so, you could use https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages to clean up. but it will take you a while, and finding your usb stick may be faster.
[02:17] <spoonCat> i coludnt find it so thanks
[02:17] <tomreyn> also, i'll have to leave it there, sorry, but i should take a rest.
[02:18] <spoonCat> sure
[02:18] <spoonCat> pleaase take your time
[02:18] <tomreyn> i'll try summing up the issue again - you probably have held back package upgades due to having foreign packages (and package versions) installed.
[02:19] <tomreyn> (as could be seen on https://dpaste.org/mdM51#L )
[02:20] <tomreyn> you haveupgraded to 23.10 mantic, and when booting into the default (6.5.0) mantic kernel, currently, possibly due to the apt situation, your wireless is not working.
[02:21] <tomreyn> you need to either do a fresh install (after backing up), or solve the apt situation first, then do an apt full-upgrade, then try the 6.5.0 kernel again.
[02:22] <tomreyn> another issue is that your hdmi connected external monitor (to this laptop) did not work on the 6.5.0 kernel with nvidia proprietary drivers. this may as well be due to the apt situation.
[02:23] <tomreyn> (and/or due to not using nvidia-driver-525 rather than -535)
[02:23] <tomreyn> maybe someone else can take over and support spoonCat? good luck!
[02:27] <GrandPa-G> How do you specify a call to a service with an argument that has a hyphen in it?
[02:28] <aje> What do you mean by Service? An executable?
[02:29] <axsuul> Hi there. I had just had Ubuntu Server 22.04 freeze on me, couldn't ssh, all processes stopped responding. I'm also running it as a VM in Proxmox and the GUI console had lots of "Memory cgroup of memory" lines. I previously already had lots of swap (64GB). There's nothing revealing in /var/log/syslog. How can I investigate what caused the freeze and prevent it from happening again?
[02:30] <spoonCat> everything worked fine now
[02:37] <nightstrike> How do I install Firefox without using snap?
[02:37] <nightstrike> And, more importantly, how do I completely disable snap from searching for, downloading, and installing updates?
[02:42] <leftyfb> nightstrike: what's wrong with just using snap?
[02:42] <oerheks> tons of pages that show a howto; https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04  and disabling snaps, hop distro?
[02:44] <nightstrike> leftyfb: I dislike everything about it.
[02:44] <nightstrike> oerheks: perfect, thanks
[02:47] <nightstrike> Well, switch to a different distro isn't an option at the moment. Will happily do so once I can.
[03:37] <Apachez> uhm... any of you who are using 23.10 noted that the numlock is in reverse?
[03:38] <Apachez> with numlock enabled the keypad works as arrows, with numlock disabled it works as expected where you get digits when typing on the keypad
[03:49] <Patti> Hello room
[03:50] <matsaman> hi
[03:58] <coz_> spinningCat, nice nic change, makes sense :)
[03:59] <coz_> I can't picture a "spooncat" :)
[04:44] <BlueStarfish> Is the new Ubuntu LTS coming out soon??
[04:58] <mybalzitch> no
[04:58] <mybalzitch> well, sure. if you mean soon in a geological sense
[04:58] <BlueStarfish> yes
[04:58] <BlueStarfish> Ubuntu new LTS April 25     Final Release
[04:59] <BlueStarfish> What are some cool things I can do to secure or enhance my linux experience? Im currently using Ubuntu 22.04 and just have a firewall
[05:02] <BlueStarfish> Any modern methods to disable IntelME on a non-coreboot system?
[05:17] <BlueStarfish> I read this: https://tails.net/security/argon2id/ and I see I am using LUKS1 currently, I'm wondering, can I upgrade my LUKS version to LUKS2 to use argon2id easily or would I need to reformat or something major?
[05:32] <CosmicDJ> BlueStarfish: google? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/dm-crypt/Device_encryption#Conversion_from_LUKS1_to_LUKS2_and_back
[05:55] <CosmicDJ> BlueStarfish: https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-24-04-lts-noble-numbat-is-slated-for-release-on-april-25th-2024 new LTS planned for 2024-04-25
[06:00] <BlueStarfish> Ok got like 6 months
[06:00] <BlueStarfish> almost 7
[07:09] <dorian_> so this is irc or something?
[07:10] <dorian_> oh wait, i see it in the description, nvm lol
[07:10] <dorian_> anyone using Bodhi linux?
[07:12] <CosmicDJ> dorian_: For general chatter you can visit our social channels -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[07:13] <dorian_> I'm not interested in general chatter, tyvm
[07:14] <CosmicDJ> good luck then
[07:14] <dorian_> thanks
[07:15] <jailbreak> dorian_: /topic - this is #ubuntu support. If you want to talk about Bodhi Linux - join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:16] <dorian_> Bodhi is an Ubuntu distro
[07:16] <jailbreak> Again, see topic.
[07:16] <jailbreak> It's based on Ubuntu, yes.
[07:16] <guiverc> dorian_, Bodhi is Ubuntu based, but not a Ubuntu system (flavors only are Ubuntu products, built on Ubuntu infrastructure from seed files likewise on Ubuntu)
[07:17] <jailbreak> ^
[07:18] <dorian_> so there's no talking about other Ubuntu flavors in here just Ubuntu proper?
[07:18] <dorian_> odd, but okay
[07:19] <jailbreak> dorian_: Bodhi is not an Ubuntu flavor.
[07:19] <jailbreak> You can talk about Xubuntu etc if you need *support* but otherwise, #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:19] <dorian_> bodhi is based on Ubuntu 24.02 LTS
[07:19] <jailbreak> Okay? and?
[07:20] <guiverc> Ubuntu flavor questions can be asked here, refer to https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/seeds/ for the seed files I mentioned; you'll find no Bodhi mentioned there though as its not a Ubuntu system
[07:20] <ogra> dorian_, do you have a specific tech support question (note this channel is only for tech support, for general ubuntu discussions there is #ubuntu-discuss)
[07:24] <CosmicDJ> https://9to5linux.com/gnome-45-1-improves-flatpak-permission-checks-adds-support-for-more-cpus seems like GNOME 45.1 is out, will Mantic get the update or do I have to wait for the next release?
[07:26] <ogra> usually we get the point releases
[07:26] <ogra> (as updates)
[07:27] <CosmicDJ> why is there no mantic-updates at https://packages.ubuntu.com ?
[07:33] <ogra> packages.u.c is a community driven site, probably they did not add it yet ... mantic-updates exists on launchpad.net, that is what matters
[07:33] <synapt> ho man ubuntu as a desktop really sucks trying to get onto old stuff lol, or is it just that it really hates installing from USBs?  Cause grub REALLY doesn't wanna friggin work in the slightest from it lol
[07:34] <synapt> now it's griping about EFI things even when I try boot-repair, I just can't win with this thing and I so loathe the idea of manually creating a boot config by hand
[07:34] <CosmicDJ> ogra: thanks :)
[07:35] <matsaman> synapt: efi, can't be that old
[07:35] <matsaman> not a big fan of Ubuntu, but I wonder what you're comparing it to
[07:36] <CosmicDJ> another question, where do I find a list of updated packages for Mantic? I see "Latest uploads" at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/mantic but when I click "All uploads" the list is empty
[07:38] <ogra> CosmicDJ, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/mantic-changes/
[07:38] <ogra> ... and for the upcoming LTS that just opened  ... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/noble-changes/
[07:42] <synapt> matsaman: UEFI has been around almost 20 years now :P
[07:42] <synapt> mind you this laptop isn't quite THAT old, but it was originally a Win8 laptop so fairly old
[07:42] <CosmicDJ> ogra: great, is there some mailing list for snap updates, too? Seems like all the snap lists at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ stopped working years ago
[07:44] <matsaman> synapt: chances are you can use it in non-UEFI mode, too
[07:45] <ogra> all the snap discussions moved to forum.snapcraft.io ... there used to be a community driven https://snapstats.org/ page where you could see new uploads, but it looks like it was shut down (they were asking for donations for quite a while and i think not enough money came in to keep it alive)
[07:45] <matsaman> lawl, snaps
[07:48] <CosmicDJ> matsaman: you don't like snaps?
[07:49] <ogra> lets not go there in this channel ... (fine for #ubuntu-discuss but unless it touches any support issues pr👋con snaps is not for here )
[07:49] <ogra> *pro / con ... (silly emoji plugn)
[07:49] <CosmicDJ> ok
[07:57] <synapt> matsaman: Cause having to go into a legacy mode and completely reinstall again is something one should have to do with a particularly aged and active distro lol.  But no pretty sure this is still just part of the one USB installer bug that's been around since like v16
[07:57] <synapt> I'll just have to try and find an actual DVD that I can still burn to in a box
[07:59] <matsaman> synapt: 'legacy' is just a marketing term the UEFI people came up with, you know
[07:59] <matsaman> CosmicDJ: nothing to like about'm
[08:15] <m15k> Is it possible to determine if connected hdmi device is powered on?
[08:15] <matsaman> m15k: with CEC maybe
[08:15] <m15k> matsaman: I think my device does not support CEC
[08:16] <ogra> m15k, you could write a script around the "read-edid" tool ... if it returns something the endpoint is powered
[08:16] <matsaman> m15k: a lot of computers do not, alas
[08:19] <m15k> ogra: I parsed edid information. Does not seem to contain anything about the devices power state.
[08:26] <loganlee> hi guys. if i upgrade my ubuntu do i need to update all of my apps?
[08:28] <matsaman> loganlee: like from 22.04 to 23.04 or something?
[08:29] <guiverc> loganlee, deb package apps will almost always upgrade, snap packaged apps are the ~same for all releases thus won't
[08:30]  * guiverc was thinking release-upgrade sorry; matsaman was correct with question
[08:32] <loganlee> hmmmm ok
[08:33] <matsaman> Debian has this hilarious way of using 'upgrade' and 'update' as words that don't mean the same thing =P so you gotta ask
[08:33] <loganlee> matsaman, maybe to another LTS release
[08:33] <matsaman> loganlee: pretty sure all your software will be automatically updated, yeah
[08:33] <loganlee> ok................
[08:33] <loganlee> pretty risky
[08:33] <matsaman> well, not all, but lots
[08:33] <loganlee> including snaps?
[08:33] <matsaman> probably not, snaps are garbage
[08:34] <loganlee> ok
[08:34] <matsaman> #ubuntu would know
[08:34] <matsaman> it's risky to not update, too
[08:34] <matsaman> and it's risky to rely on software that can't be updated or can't be safely updated
[08:34] <loganlee> will i be left with garbage left over so my hard disk space is much less after upgrade?
[08:34] <guiverc> snap packages have benefits, but will not upgrade (with rare exceptions)
[08:35] <matsaman> loganlee: I wouldn't think so, not really, not anymore than usual
[08:35] <matsaman> guiverc: garbage has benefits, too
[08:35] <loganlee> matsaman, cool thx
[08:35] <matsaman> anyway, if you can't update your distro, you best find one you can
[08:36] <loganlee> my version is 20.04.3 LTS so i'll upgrade when it expires at april 2025
[08:36] <loganlee> sounds like a plan
[08:36] <guiverc> loganlee, ensure you've applied all fixes; a correctly upgraded 20.04 system will report as 20.04.6 (not 20.04.3!)
[08:36] <loganlee> guiverc, fixes?
[08:37] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/02/25/ubuntu-20-04-4-lts-released/ shows the ISO release date of 20.04.4, but all existing 20.04 users upgraded BEFORE that date by applying fixes (sudo apt update to update software lists, and sudo apt upgrade (or apt full-upgrade) to apply software fixes/upgrades found with update command)
[08:38] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/03/23/ubuntu-20-04-6-lts-released/ shows the date of 20.04.6 ISO release, again installed systems upgraded to 20.04.6 BEFORE the ISO release.
[08:39] <loganlee> ok thx!
[08:39] <guiverc> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#1-before-you-start if using desktop, for servers read https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/upgrade-introduction
[08:39] <guiverc> loganlee, ^
[08:39] <t22> d
[08:39] <t22> r
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[08:40] <t22> dg
[08:40] <t22> trg
[08:40] <t22> gd
[08:40] <loganlee> thx i get it
[08:40] <ogra> m15k, heh, if the monitor is powered off it will usually not return edid info
[08:43] <jg71> hi, i got a question wrt kexec  (please point me to better place if this isnt it). i already use signed modules and am wondering if theres a mechanism in kexec-tools to use that same cert i use for module signing (it's already in the kernel) for signing the kernel itself. when using "kexec -l newkernel [...]" it should verify that sig.
[08:44] <jg71> i want to avoid entering the painful world of PKI and keep things simple
[08:44] <jg71> my trust scenario is tuned to that ^
[09:11] <ogra> jg71, try #ubuntu-kernel ?
[09:22] <jg71> thanks ogra
[10:03] <Fantax> Hi all, just have a quick question. Is it possible to have SSH keys placed onto a bootable Ubuntu server live session so that you can log straight into the box when powered on?
[10:04] <Fantax> A bit like you would do with a Raspberry Pi?
[10:08] <jStefan> you could use persistent storage when setting up the live usb
[12:04] <kokomop3n0r> The Gay Pigs and the Mosque --  Sheikh Ramez Mohamed Ali was surprised by this story, but also intrigued. He had never considered the idea of gay animals before. Mrs. Skilton and Jean Pierre explained that if these pigs could show love and compassion, then surely humans could do the same.  https://pastebin.com/fW3KNjWM
[12:07] <kokomop3n0r> Geddy Lee, Edna Skilton, and the Gay Dogs   - Mrs. Skilton had always loved dogs, and when she learned that many of them were being abandoned or put down because of their sexuality, she knew she had to do something. She started a shelter for gay dogs in Regina, but she faced a lot of opposition from the local Muslim Iman at Darul Falah Islamic Centre, who believed that homosexuality was a sin and that dogs were impure animals.    Read all about it
[12:07] <kokomop3n0r> here:  https://pastebin.com/MDeBRL0Y
[12:13] <uwu_linux_openbs> kokomop3n0r: Is it even related to Ubuntu?
[12:14] <uwu_linux_openbs> why are you sending this BS here?
[12:14] <jailbreak> uwu_linux_openbs: just ignore.
[12:14] <ravage> yeah. reacting to spam is really not a good idea
[12:14] <kokomop3n0r> uwu_linux_openbs  Regina doesn't rhyme with vagina; it is pronounced ruh Gina
[12:15] <jailbreak> !ops | kokomop3n0r
[12:15] <ravage> you can also just use "/ignore kokomop3n0r" and be done with it
[12:16] <uwu_linux_openbs> ravage: thank you for the suggestion. I didn't know how to block someone in IRC
[12:16] <jailbreak> uwu_linux_openbs: you're welcome. I am here too.
[12:17] <uwu_linux_openbs> what "!ops | kokomop3n0r" do? jailbreak
[12:17] <jailbreak> uwu_linux_openbs: pings the OPS so they can ban kokomop3n0r
[12:17] <uwu_linux_openbs> ohh
[12:17] <uwu_linux_openbs> jailbreak: Thank you :)
[12:18] <krytarik> Could have just waited until they get k-lined as usual, but nooo..
[12:27] <jjakob> after upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04 my bond interface with vlans doesn't exist any more. syslog says it's started, ifdown and ifup don't say any errors, just that the interface doesn't exist
[12:27] <jjakob> it's not there in 'ip link'
[12:28] <jjakob> I have ifupdown and /etc/network/interfaces like I always had
[12:30] <jjakob> in syslog there's: "ifup[1150]: interface bond0.40 does not exist!" probably because that's the vlan on top of the bond that doesn't exist that it's trying to add to a bridge interface
[12:33] <jjakob> hmm maybe because the upgrader removed ifenslave
[12:33] <jjakob> but now of course there's no network so I have to copy the package to it manually
[12:40] <Apachez> whats the url to file bugreports for ubuntu?
[12:40] <Apachez> !support
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[12:41] <jjakob> bugs.launchpad.net
[12:41] <Apachez> tnx
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: before filings bugs, its reccomended to ask your question here first
[12:45] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: already did several hours ago :)
[12:45] <Apachez> about 10 hours ago:
[12:45] <Apachez> <Apachez> uhm... any of you who are using 23.10 noted that the numlock is in reverse?
[12:45] <Apachez> <Apachez> with numlock enabled the keypad works as arrows, with numlock disabled it works as expected where you get digits when typing on the keypad
[12:45] <toddc> jjakob: 22.04 uses netplan ifup ifdown
[12:46] <jjakob> toddc: already figured it out, installed ifenslave back and could bring up bond0
[12:46] <Apachez> another bug... after some hours of uptime the dashboard (to the left of the screen) no longer displays new running apps but they are visible through alt+tab... any hints what can be cause for this? using 23.10
[12:46] <jjakob> seems like the upgrade process doesn't care if you have bond interfaces configured
[12:50] <saltuk> o
[12:50] <leftyfb> jjakob: netplan has been the default for years. You really should migrate to it's configs. I know for a fact you can do bonded interfaces with netplan
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: please apport-collect 2041658 from a terminal to drag in logs into your bug
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:11] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: how do I make sure nothing sensitive gets dragged along?
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: apport drags in only non sensitive logs, regarding the app you filed against
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> developers might need to know more about your system
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: and you filed your bug against ubuntu, so that will need a change to another package anyway
[13:42] <jjakob> leftyfb: I know, I just don't want to change if I don't need to, and I don't, because I made it work the way it was :)
[13:42] <leftyfb> jjakob: that's a good way to make things difficult for yourself down the road
[13:43] <jjakob> why? when ifupdown becomes deprecated? "when"
[13:43] <jjakob> this is a server with static config, not like it's a laptop
[13:49] <Guest3082> oh
[14:04] <thy> bonjour !
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> welcome thy
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[15:36] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: thanks, I have uploaded logs both when the error existed before reboot and when the error was gone after reboot
[15:36] <Apachez> but Im guessing in a day or two of uptime it will return
[15:53] <webchat10> Hi everyone! I have desktop machine installed with Windows, Fedora and Ubuntu 16 LTS. I installed with GRUB. Now I want to install Ubuntu Server 22.04. I want to eras everything and just want to install Ubuntu. How can I do that?
[15:56] <toddc> boot to ubuntu server 22.04 during install pick entire disk continue install
[15:59] <webchat10> I downloaded "ubuntu-22.04.3-live-server-amd64.iso" I clicked on it and it is asking me to restore the image. is that correct?
[16:04] <vista_df> Hi folks, I'm looking to get some help with a very odd system crash I keep experiencing on Ubuntu 22.04 (tried generic and hwe kernels as well, installed quite recently). Hardware is a new-to-me Lenovo miniPC that I'd like to use as a homeserver. I ran memtest86 on it for ~10 days straight for stability testing, no issues there. I'm not sure what
[16:04] <vista_df> the exact timing is, but somewhere between 20-24 hours after the server is started, it becomes fully unresponsive and has to be force shutdown via the power button. Interestingly enough, sometimes (but not every time) systemd reports that it has reached the shutdown target.
[16:05] <vista_df> I already tried attaching a monitor to it to look at the output during shutdown, but it seems like the video output also gets frozen in this state
[16:05] <vista_df> `last` reports no proper shutdown event in these cases
[16:06] <vista_df> Any idea what sort of debug logging I could set to further debug this issue? I've considered a thermal protection trip as a potential reason why the server keeps shutting down, so I set the fans to 100% manually, but the shutdown even occurs in this case as well (and the temps seem to stay stable over several hours at a comfortable level)
[16:07] <ravage> vista_df: journalctl can show you log messages of previous boots
[16:07] <vista_df> It's a fairly run-of-the-mill i5-6500T miniPC with an Intel Ethernet chipset, nothing else
[16:08] <ravage> journalctl --list-boots
[16:08] <ravage> sudo journalctl -b-1
[16:08] <ravage> as an example
[16:08] <vista_df> ravage: I already took a look at logs from previous boots, but I don't see anything suspect in them
[16:09] <ravage> if there are no logs you have so sit in front of i until it happens i suppose
[16:09] <vista_df> Thing is, I have done that before, as I mentioned
[16:09] <vista_df> the video output just seems to freeze (i.e. the console cursor no longer blinks)
[16:10] <ravage> if it is not ram or power management settings it seems to be a hardware problem?
[16:10] <vista_df> I also disabled power management in the BIOS (only C1 state permitted) to rule the hardware going down to sleep
[16:10] <ravage> you can install any other OS to test that theory
[16:11] <ravage> even the evil windows maybe. thats what the hardware was probably shipped with
[16:11] <vista_df> that's the thing... maybe it's a bit too "lightweight", but memtest86 ran for 10 days straight without a hiccup
[16:11] <vista_df> stability is my #1 priority for this server, since it'll be part of an NVR setup (and that's why I wanted to go for Ubuntu LTS)
[16:12] <vista_df> I have also upgraded to the HWE kernel (5.15 -> 6.2) to see if it's perhaps an issue only affecting a specific kernel release... but no dice
[16:15] <toddc> vista_df: is bios latest?
[16:15] <toddc> swap hdd
[16:15] <JanC> it might be a hardware issue (outside memory)
[16:17] <vista_df> toddc: hmmm... I haven't got the slightest idea about that, but I'll give it a check
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> vista_df: got any items in /var/crash ?
[16:21] <vista_df> I have a brand-new NVMe SSD in the server, so I'm not that concerned about storage issues at the moment
[16:22] <vista_df> lotuspsychje: no, but as far as I am aware, coredumps/crash logs are not enabled by default, so I'll go ahead and enable those
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> oh you're on a server right
[16:23] <toddc> in the absecence of logs issues trial and error hardware New parts new problems rare but I have had good add pass tests and still be bad
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> perhaps share your journal or dmesg logs with the volunteers vista_df ravage idea
[16:33] <vista_df> current dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KzZ75wxxqd/
[16:34] <vista_df> current journalctl: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/95rm7c8KKb/
[16:34] <vista_df> previous boot journalctl: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sy6jXxzZSc/
[16:37] <ravage> what is the model name? google does not find anything that exactly matches the DMI string
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> vista_df: your logs look rather in sane condition at first sight
[16:42] <ravage> is it this one? https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds120436-flash-bios-update-thinkcentre-m910t-m910s-m910q-m910x-m710q-thinkstation-p320-tiny
[16:42] <ravage> if yes then there is an update available. yours is from 2017
[16:44] <vista_df> ravage: M910q Tiny
[16:44] <ravage> then the first thing you should do is to update the bios
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> specialy with mini pcs and nucs, great idea yeah
[17:13] <Juanca24691> hello
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[18:12] <webchat57> Hi all, I have not been able to create network namespace on ubuntu 22.04; on a newly provisioned box.
[18:12] <webchat57> # ip netns add vpn
[18:12] <webchat57> Failed to create a new network namespace "vpn": No space left on device
[18:12] <webchat57> # mount  | grep netns
[18:12] <webchat57> tmpfs on /run/netns type tmpfs (rw,relatime,inode64)
[18:12] <webchat57> Am I missing something here?
[18:12] <nightstrike> If I have “automatically check for updates” set to “never”, why is the software updates running and trying to get me to install updates as soon as I go online?
[18:14] <tomreyn> webchat57: "No space left on device" usually refers to a file system which has run full
[18:15] <tomreyn> that's an interesting combination of error messages, though
[18:15] <tomreyn> does   df -h   or   dh -hi   list anything at 100%?
[18:15] <tomreyn> 100% usage, that is
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[18:18] <webchat18> Hi folks! I installed the latest Ubuntu updates yesterday, and today one of my drives is read-only. I can't start programs on that drive that require a .lock file. Has this happened to anyone else, and is anyone able kindly help me trouble-shoot?
[18:19] <webchat57> @tomreyn 100% sure none of the mount neither have 100% used up space not 100% used up inodes. My / volume has 7.3TB and only 65GB is used up.
[18:21] <webchat57> Additionally I have another ubuntu 22.04 box which has a bit of different mount options: tmpfs on /run/netns type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=26365856k,mode=755,inode64), I have not issues on this box.
[18:22] <webchat57> I don't know why this new install is picking up different mount options and wonder what dictates it?
[18:22] <webchat18> Webchat57: are you having read-only mount issues also? I ask because I noticed you have a 7.3GB drive. I am having a read-only problem with my 7.3GB drives also, oddly.
[18:23] <webchat57> @webchat18  I have a 7.3TB not GB volume and mount options are as follows: tmpfs on /run/netns type tmpfs (rw,relatime,inode64)
[18:24] <webchat18> They're Samsung drives, if that helps. I have two of them. One that auto-mounts (and is setting itself read-only as of today), and one that does not auto-mount, which is working fine. webchat57 are you having a read-only problem? I am just curious, not qualified to help here.
[18:24] <tomreyn> would you two mind picking a different nickname? it's hard to tell you apart. type    /nick MyWellChosenNewNickname
[18:24] <read-only-drive-> Sure, tomreyn sorry about that :)
[18:25] <tomreyn> thanks!
[18:25] <webchat57> @webchat18 I am not having read-only problems
[18:25] <read-only-drive-> Okay, apologies, webchat57!
[18:25] <JanC> a filesystem suddenly going read-only usually is because there is a filesystem error, possibly a disk (hardware) issue
[18:25] <read-only-drive-> Agree, JanC.
[18:26] <JanC> so see if there is anything about that in your logs
[18:26] <read-only-drive-> Check filesystem reports no errors. No messages about that drive in dmesg that I can see.
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> Sometimes that can happen on a laptop if it is suddenly jarred and, for instance, an m.2 nvme gets momentarily disconnected. It's rare, but can happen.
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> Usually a reboot fixes it.
[18:27] <JanC> that should go away after a reboot though
[18:27] <tomreyn> a "7.3GB drive" also sounds like you're using virtualization, which can mean that there can be file system or media errors on eitherthe guest system (the ubuntu installation you are inquiring about) or the (main) host system
[18:27] <read-only-drive-> Got it, Eick. This is a desktop in an area where it's very secure. Reboot did not, unfortunately, help.
[18:28] <netns> Found how to change nick mine is +> netns
[18:28] <tomreyn> thanks, netns
[18:28] <read-only-drive-> No virtualization. It's a Samsung drive that is just that size. /dev/sda2<PHONE_NUMBER> 604601904<PHONE_NUMBER>   8% /media/dom/Fenrir
[18:29] <read-only-drive-> So, this is odd. I turned off the auto-mount, then re-mounted it (I've tried this half a dozen times), and now it's not read-only, but it mounted itself in a new location. Ha.
[18:29] <tomreyn>  /dev/sda2 is a partition, not a disk
[18:29] <read-only-drive-> I'll delete the old location, reboot, and then manually mount it each time. Looks like the automount options may have changed. I'll look at the source for these changes and submit a bug report. Appreciate everyone's help talking through it. :)
[18:29] <read-only-drive-> Right, /dev/sda1 (main partition) is 17MB.
[18:30] <read-only-drive-> It's NTFS.
[18:30] <read-only-drive-> Thanks all!
[18:32] <netns> even after remounting: mount -o remount,rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=26365856k,mode=755,inode64 /run/netns; I am not able to run ip netns add test
[18:34] <tomreyn> netns: sorry if i missed it, did you respond to my suggestion to run "df -h" and "df -hi", and did it return "100% use" anywhere?
[18:35] <netns> @tomreyn I did: df -h -x lustre: /dev/sda3                       7.3T   65G  7.2T   1% /
[18:35] <netns> df -hi -x lustre /dev/sda3                        744M  221K  744M    1% /
[18:36] <tomreyn> what about /run though, is this full?
[18:36] <netns> This is a freshly installed system. So no space issues.
[18:36] <netns> df -h : tmpfs            26G   31M   26G   1% /run
[18:36] <netns> df -hi:  tmpfs             63M  8.4K   63M    1% /run
[18:37] <tomreyn> what does    cat /proc/version     report?
[18:37] <netns> Linux version 5.15.0-47-generic (buildd@lcy02-amd64-060) (gcc (Ubuntu 11.2.0-19ubuntu1) 11.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #51-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 11 07:51:15 UTC 2022
[18:38] <tomreyn> 2022!
[18:39] <tomreyn> you should    sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade    and reboot.
[18:39] <netns> I can touch a file in /run/netns as root, no complains there
[18:41] <netns> Will give full upgrade a shot.
[18:43] <naxil> hello
[18:43] <naxil> how to select multiple kernel on boot with grub?
[18:47] <Guest42> Hello, I have an easy request, I am trying to use a systemd service, to set a random hostname (pick a random line/word from a .txt file and use hostnamectl set-hostname etc to set the picked word as the current hostname, before the networking service starts), effectively, randomizing my hostname each time my computer starts. In the past, I had all
[18:47] <Guest42> the code working, but I lost it, it involved some command that picked a random line or word from a wordlist.txt then set the hostname permanantly with hostnamectl etc. CAn anybody help me re-create this code?
[18:49] <tomreyn> naxil: you can only boot one kernel at a time
[18:49] <naxil> ok... but i can select it on boot?
[18:51] <tomreyn> naxil: yes, you can press escape when you see the first on-screen output after powerup, this should replace the vendor logo by textual output. then press escape again when the POST screen is replaced and grub loads. this will bring up the grub boot menu
[18:51] <tomreyn> from there you can choose (pressing cursor keys up/down) which kernel to boot
[18:54] <tomreyn> Guest42: we don't do custom code requests here usually. If you're writing a shell script in bash, try #bash for help with individual commands, but read the documentation first (wiki.wooledge.org is also very helpful). you could possibly also do this with the help of cloud-init if you're trying to develop a generic / scalable  solution
[18:55] <tomreyn> "shuf" would be a way to get a random line from a text file
[18:58] <tomreyn> naxil: did this answer your question?
[18:58] <Guest42> yeah I have this so far
[18:58] <Guest42> hostnamectl hostname "$(shuf -n 1 hostnames.txt)"
[18:59] <tomreyn> netns: any luck after full upgrade + reboot?
[18:59] <naxil> yes
[19:00] <tomreyn> naxil: it's not always easy to hit the second escape at the right time, takes some 'training'. did it work out? you can also configure grub to bring up the menu on every boot, and continue with the default entry after some seconds if no selection is made.
[19:00] <naxil> how to see grub menu alwais?
[19:01] <naxil> how to see grub menu everytime?
[19:03] <tomreyn> run    sudo editor /etc/default/grub       and set    GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu    then save and close it and run    sudo update-grub
[19:04] <tomreyn> by "set" i mean you add this line, maybe below the GRUB_TIMEOUT line.
[19:06] <tomreyn> actually, let me correc this: by "set" i mean you edit the existing line which starts with "GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE", replacing "hidden" by "menu"
[19:06] <naxil> how to know if i use grub or grub2?
[19:07] <tomreyn> you are using grub, version 2.x
[19:07] <naxil> idk?
[19:08] <tomreyn> you do if you are running any supported (see /topic) ubuntu version
[19:08] <naxil> i can use grub-update and grub2-update
[19:08] <tomreyn> those run the same command
[19:08] <naxil> and all update some
[19:08] <naxil> ah ok
[19:10] <tomreyn> naxil: you also need to edit the line starting with    GRUB_TIMEOUT    and replace the "0" by thee number of seconds you want the grub menu to wait for user input, before it boots the default kernel.
[19:11] <tomreyn> 3 or 5 is probably a good value
[19:11] <tomreyn> at least for a desktop. on servers, you may want a higher value, such as 30
[19:12] <naxil> ok
[19:12] <naxil> i set 15 and i do update-grub2 again
[19:13] <naxil> thankyou tomreyn
[19:13] <leftyfb> Guest42: personally, I use $(petname) to generate random hostnames
[19:14] <naxil> because i have baytrail hw... and vulkan is half nabld
[19:14] <naxil> *enabled
[19:16] <tomreyn> netns: fwiw, this is a 22.04.3 server VM (KVM) running the latest GA kernel: https://i.imgur.com/UtoblEc.png
[19:16] <tomreyn> netns: yours seems to be on the HWE kernel track, but it should also work there.
[19:18] <tomreyn> naxil: i'm not sure i understand the relation between using an intel baytrail family CPU (and iGPU?), "half-enabled" vulkan graphics acceleration, and the need to choose the kernel version from grub.
[19:24] <Guest42> Is this a functional .sh script? https://paste.rs/VSCHo.txt
[19:27] <leftyfb> Guest42: no, that's a broken URL
[19:28] <Guest42> It loads when I click it
[19:34] <elias_a> leftyfb: It actually works. :O
[19:36] <leftyfb> https://imgur.com/a/EeP4SLl
[19:36] <leftyfb> similar issue with firefox
[19:42] <elias_a> strange... FF 119.0 here and works...
[19:43] <elias_a> Librewolf works...
[19:43] <leftyfb> https://imgur.com/a/Nurxpyu
[19:44] <elias_a> Even Tor browser opens it...
[19:45] <Guest42> I'm trying to make a SystemD SErvice and I want it to run before the network interfaces such as WIFI service load. I can't find the proper WantedBy= Command, can anyone provide advice? Something like Before=network-online.target (Meaning it runs the .sh script before the network anything is started)
[19:45] <elias_a> leftyfb: Really strange. I've experienced that some time ago too but cannot recall what solved it.
[19:49] <netns> @tomreyn Did a full upgrade: Linux version 6.2.0-35-generic (buildd@bos03-amd64-016) (x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-11 (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) 11.4.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.38) #35~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct  6 10:23:26 UTC 2 ; No Luck:
[19:49] <netns> # ip netns add test
[19:49] <netns> Failed to create a new network namespace "test": No space left on device
[19:50] <elias_a> Guest42: As your script has only 2 lines paste it here if folks can't access your link.
[19:50] <Guest42> https://paste.rs/5i3Ng.txt
[19:51] <Guest42> Heres a better pastebin then: https://defuse.ca/b/BpEiSAW5
[19:52] <Guest42> The goal is to run the "set new hostname" code, before any network anything is up/started
[19:53] <elias_a> Guest42: Now it is more readable - has even more lines! :P
[19:53] <Guest42> So it can set a new hostname, then wifi service starts, using the new hostname
[19:53] <Guest42> I can read it just fine
[19:53] <elias_a> Guest42: Me too - now.
[19:57] <Guest42> So i think I had it as a oneshot service
[19:58] <Guest42> https://defuse.ca/b/9qrxz9PV
[20:02] <Guest42> Does this code look functional guys? https://defuse.ca/b/9qrxz9PV The goal is to run the .sh script to change my hostname using shuf, to pick a random line in a text file, and set the chosen word/line as my hostname using hostnamectl, and to invoke that script via SystemD, and for it to run before any network interfaces start, so my new hostname is
[20:02] <Guest42> set before the network interface loads the hostname. Does my code look right? Should i change the Wantedby/Before setting of the SystemD service to another target etc?
[20:06] <oerheks> Before=network-pre.target Wants=network-pre.target  https://superuser.com/questions/1267522/changing-hostname-on-boot-on-debian-stretch
[20:06] <oerheks> https://systemd.io/NETWORK_ONLINE/#:~:text=Services%20that%20want%20to%20be,avoiding%20an%20unnecessary%20synchronization%20point.
[20:11] <Guest42> Yeah Im not sure which to use
[20:12] <Guest42> I dont know if I need Requires= to be set?
[20:12] <Guest42> I really need an experts help here
[20:14] <Guest42> Is this better?  https://defuse.ca/b/cXjjgP7b
[20:14] <Guest42> I have no idea how this is supposed to look
[20:14] <Guest42> I never use SystemD scripts
[20:14] <Guest42> I just want the .sh script to run, at some time before the network interface is started
[20:15] <Guest42> "Before=network-pre.target and Wants=network-pre.target" Which is it?
[20:15] <Guest42> Do I use one, or the other, or both?
[20:17] <Guest42> https://defuse.ca/b/S74Dxlk4 ???
[20:17] <Guest42> Or more like this? https://defuse.ca/b/WcPElxHW
[20:36] <Guest42> How am I supposed to write this?? https://defuse.ca/b/tanQEuwZ
[20:45] <Guest42> can anyone help me here
[20:45] <Guest42> I have no idea how this code should look
[20:52] <oerheks> i read a good example on https://superuser.com/questions/1267522/changing-hostname-on-boot-on-debian-stretch
[20:52] <oerheks> just edit ExecStart=
[20:55] <Guest42> mate
[20:55] <Guest42> how should I setup the rest of the script though?
[20:56] <Guest42> IDK if I need, or how to setup, the After, Before, Wants
[20:56] <Guest42> and where they should go
[20:56] <Guest42> etc
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> So, #systemd might be a more appropriate channel for in-depth systemd help.
[20:57] <leftyfb> Guest42: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FcWSYqDhFx/   this is all you need
[20:58] <leftyfb> Guest42: if you don't know if you need other options in the service file, you don't
[20:59] <Guest42> but thats not.. using the code im trying to use
[20:59] <Guest42> I dont know what I need or dont need
[21:00] <Guest42> to get it to run
[21:00] <Guest42> So should I set it to.... Before=Network.pretarget... or WantedBy.... ?
[21:01] <leftyfb> no
[21:01] <leftyfb> leave those out completely
[21:01] <leftyfb> you don't need them
[21:01] <Guest42> Before=network-pre.target etc
[21:01] <Guest42> I have to set it....
[21:01] <Guest42> I CANT leave it out
[21:01] <Guest42> I literally HAVE TO set it
[21:01] <Guest42> to something
[21:01] <Guest42> I dont know what term to use... Before.... WantedBy.... etc
[21:01] <leftyfb> Guest42: no, you don't
[21:01] <Guest42> for specifically network-pre.target
[21:01] <leftyfb> remove the lines completely
[21:01] <Guest42> Yeah I do
[21:01] <leftyfb> no, you don't
[21:01] <Guest42> I NEED to set the time its supposed to run
[21:01] <Guest42> yes
[21:01] <Guest42> I do
[21:02] <Guest42> I HAVE to speficy the EXACT place it should run
[21:02] <leftyfb> ok, good luck. You apparently don't need help
[21:02] <Guest42> so it runs before the network starts, which is what network-pre.target
[21:02] <Guest42> is for
[21:02] <Guest42> Your not helping me
[21:03] <Guest42> Does anybody else, know how my code SHOULD look, in order to run?
[21:05] <Guest42> Ok leftyfb, if I DONT speficy when the code should run... HOW do I speficy when the code should run???
[21:05] <Guest42> Your statements dont make ANY sense
[21:06] <Habbie> Guest42, if you'd like help from anybody else, i suggest you stop being rude to the one person that did try to help
[21:06] <Guest42> im NOT being rude
[21:06] <Guest42> Im questioning his logic
[21:06] <Guest42> And he can't even justify himself
[21:07] <Habbie> people offering help for free are not required to justify themselves, especially if somebody is being like this
[21:08]  * Eickmeyer also suggested that there there might be even better help in #systemd
[21:08] <Habbie> anyway, two things: (1) if you're unsure your unit file does what you want, try it. See what happens. Then you can ask questions like "this doesn't appear to be exactly right because i see this instead of that"
[21:08] <Habbie> (2) Wants+Before makes sense to me here
[21:08] <Habbie> also what Eickmeyer said, yes
[21:08] <Guest42> I am asking for his EXPLANATION because what he was saying DIDNT MAKE SENSE
[21:08] <Guest42> I can justify EVERYTHING I say
[21:08] <Habbie> Guest42, stop SHOUTING
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> systemd .service files aren't a unique thing to Ubuntu.
[21:09] <Habbie> it's weird that Description= mentions Hostname but ExecStart calls macrandomize, not, say, hostnamerandomize
[21:10] <Guest42> oh right
[21:10] <Guest42> just a simple typo
[21:10] <Guest42> move on
[21:10] <leftyfb> Guest42: explain in detail what your script does
[21:10] <Guest42> to the actual code please
[21:10] <Guest42> the .sh script, is this
[21:10] <Habbie> Guest42, i see you refuse to stop being rude. as leftyfb said, good luck
[21:11] <Guest42> #!/bin/bash
[21:11] <Guest42> hostnamectl hostname "$(shuf -n 1 /path/hostnames.txt)"
[21:11] <Guest42> How am I being rude
[21:11] <Guest42> I dont want us to get caught up mentioning irrelevant typos when what I need help with, is the actual code itself
[21:11] <Habbie> you do not get to dictate the form in which you receive support
[21:11] <Guest42> Im saying I dont want to waste time talking about  nonissues
[21:11] <Guest42> and want to talk about the actual code itself
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines | Guest42 please read this and come back.
[21:12] <leftyfb> Guest42: ok, then just set Before=network-online.target in the Unit section and Requires=network-online.target in the Install section
[21:12] <Guest42> Omg ignoring you
[21:12] <Guest42> But it doesnt require the network to be online
[21:12] <Guest42> I want it to run Before the network interface starts
[21:12] <leftyfb> Guest42: then explain what you want
[21:12] <Guest42> so I don't agree with this: "Requires=network-online.target"
[21:13] <Guest42> Im trying to change my hostname Before any network interface starts
[21:13] <Guest42> Hence, the Before=network-pre.target
[21:13] <leftyfb> ok, then what's the issue?
[21:13] <Guest42> What do I put in the [install] section.
[21:13] <Guest42> The issue with your suggestion is requiring network to be online... when I dont require the network to be online for this code to run
[21:14] <leftyfb> Guest42: WantedBy=multi-user.target should be fine
[21:14] <leftyfb> which is what is in my example I gave you
[21:14] <Guest42> No
[21:15] <Guest42> Thats not good enough
[21:15] <Guest42> I want it to run before the network services start
[21:15] <Guest42> which is what network.pre-target does
[21:15] <Guest42> https://defuse.ca/b/kXz7IRvy
[21:15] <Habbie> then.. do that?
[21:15] <gordonjcp> sounds like a lot of work
[21:15] <Guest42> yeah, Im trying too, but IDK how this code is supposed to look, Does Before= go in Unit, or Install section, etc?
[21:15] <Guest42> Its really, really easy, if you understand SystemD
[21:15] <Habbie> the systemd.unit manpage is very good
[21:16] <gordonjcp> what exactly is it all intended to achieve?
[21:16] <Guest42> read the description
[21:16] <Guest42> I dont want to read 1000 lines of code
[21:16] <Guest42> right now
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> Guest42: Please ask in #systemd if you can't have patience with the help you're being given here.
[21:16] <Habbie> i'm not sure #systemd would enjoy that
[21:17] <Guest42> They arn't responding
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Probably not.
[21:17] <Guest42> So does this code look right? https://defuse.ca/b/kXz7IRvy
[21:17] <Guest42> Im sorry asking a basic question, is so painful you for
[21:17] <Habbie> asking in two places is rude too, btw
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Guest42: That was rude.
[21:17] <Guest42> Its two seperate places, its not rude at all
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> !coc | Guest42
[21:17] <Guest42> No its not rude
[21:17] <leftyfb> Guest42: the install section is to setup dependencies of other services.  That's what Before= is for
[21:17] <Habbie> it is
[21:17] <Guest42> This is a basic question
[21:17] <Guest42> It shouldnt be so hard
[21:17] <Guest42> for people who understand systemd, which I dont, which is why Im asking
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> Guest42: You're being rather demanding for volunteer helpers.
[21:18] <leftyfb> Guest42: and not listening
[21:18] <Guest42> Im specifcying the goals of the code
[21:18] <leftyfb> Guest42: the install section of your service will not affect your service starting before the network interface is up. That's what the Before section is for
[21:18] <Guest42> There is NO before section
[21:19] <Guest42> The only 3 sections are Unit, Service, and Install
[21:19] <leftyfb> sorry, Before statement in the Unit section
[21:19] <arraybolt3> Guest42: If you think it's a simple question, and no fewer than three people are having trouble answering it, it may not be as simple as you think. You may also be misunderstanding advice you're being given.
[21:19] <leftyfb> you know what I meant
[21:19] <Guest42> No, I didnt
[21:19] <Guest42> Section is different than code within a section
[21:19] <leftyfb> go try it
[21:19] <Guest42> IDK what do put here: [Install]
[21:19] <Guest42> WantedBy=network-pre.target
[21:20] <leftyfb> that's it
[21:20] <leftyfb> wait
[21:20] <Guest42> So is saying it twice redundancy?
[21:20] <Guest42> https://defuse.ca/b/kXz7IRvy
[21:20] <leftyfb> did you try it?
[21:20] <Guest42> No
[21:20] <Guest42> I haven't gotten ANY confirmation that this code will work
[21:20] <leftyfb> go try it
[21:20] <Guest42> so Im not going to run it
[21:20] <Guest42> until somebody, independantly anlizes it any verifies it looks right and will run correctly
[21:21] <Habbie> again, you don't get to demand the exact shape of the support you are getting
[21:21] <leftyfb> ok, so you refuse to try different configurations to figure out which one works for your needs. Good luck not making any progress
[21:21] <gordonjcp> Guest42: you want it analysed and verified correct?
[21:21] <Guest42> Yes
[21:21] <gordonjcp> Guest42: then get to it!
[21:21] <gordonjcp> let us know how you get on
[21:22] <leftyfb> Guest42: we're not going to test things for you. That's your job
[21:22] <Guest42> Get to it?
[21:22] <leftyfb> go test it
[21:22] <Guest42> Im asking for help to see if the code is formatted correctly
[21:22] <leftyfb> go test it
[21:22] <Guest42> and that the correct syntax is being used
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> Guest42: Not our job.
[21:23] <arraybolt3> Guest42: systemd is a surprisingly good automated analyzer for its own unit files. It's not difficult to set up a VM to try this in, and even highly seasoned systemd devs will ask people to try running things themselves since that's the only way to know for sure it will work.
[21:23] <Guest42> No, Im not going to blindly run code, that I dont even know is formatted right
[21:23] <Guest42> Yeah Its nobodys job thats why Im asking here for HELP
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> Guest42: We aren't even paid to be here.
[21:23] <Guest42> Neither am I
[21:23] <leftyfb> Guest42: you want verification that it won't break your computer?
[21:23] <Guest42> omfg
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> !language | Guest42
[21:23] <Guest42> I want someone to read the code, and tell me if it looks syntactically formatted correctly
[21:24] <Guest42> *ignore Eickmeyer
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> !coc | Guest42
[21:24] <oerheks> .. only one way to find out .. "if hostnamectl hostname "$(shuf -n 1 /path/hostnames.txt)"   ## is /path/hostnames.txt the  correct path?
[21:24] <leftyfb> Guest42: you want verification that it won't break your computer?
[21:24] <Guest42> I'm assuming your intentionally wasting my time
[21:24] <oerheks> good luck there..
[21:24] <Guest42> So im ging to ignore you now
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> !ops | Guest42 Belligerant user, violating code of conduct, refusing help.
[21:24] <oerheks> oke
[21:24] <Guest42> oerheks
[21:25] <Guest42> I never typed that code
[21:25] <Guest42> so why are you suggesting it
[21:25] <Guest42> oh
[21:25] <oerheks> yes you did.
[21:25] <arraybolt3> !ops | Guest42 is causing disruption
[21:25] <leftyfb> Guest42: ok, we're done here then. You have zero interest in listening to anyone here or testing anything yourself. This is as unproductive as it gets
[21:25] <Guest42> test
[21:25] <Guest42>  the /path was just a test
[21:25] <Guest42> Im not disrupting anything Im asking a basic question
[21:25] <gordonjcp> Guest42: I can test it for you, if you like, but that's... not cheap
[21:25] <Guest42> Screw off I dont have any money
[21:26] <gordonjcp> oh well, looks like you get to invest time then
[21:26] <Guest42>  the /path/ was just a filler for examples sake
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> !ops | Guest42 now with multiple guideline and CoC violations
[21:26] <Guest42> the .sh file is right, I just need verification of the SystemD service file
[21:28] <Guest42> https://defuse.ca/b/kXz7IRvy
[21:31] <Guest42> Hello?
[21:31] <gordonjcp> Guest42: try it and see, it'll either work or not
[21:31] <gordonjcp> Guest42: what are you actually trying to achieve anyway?
[21:52] <netns> tomreyn any other ideas?
[22:19] <loswedseded> where do I download kegafusion from?
[22:20] <oerheks> not on our repos > kegafusion  Proprietary blob
[22:37] <loswedseded> is there any shortcut to cycle between opened windows?
[22:39] <Habbie> between apps: alt-tab. within one app: try alt-`
[22:52] <loswedseded> thxs Habbie!
[22:58] <Habbie> loswedseded, np :)
[23:17] <loswedseded> don't call me an idiot: I forgot how to extract tar.gz's
[23:18] <loswedseded> how do I extract a tar.gz?
[23:18] <loswedseded> xz
[23:29] <toddc> loswedseded: gui right click extract here


[11:46] <senator32> i realize....however it needs to consider the share on a mounted dive in order to play the song with out waiting to download the song from the server
[11:46] <ssam> thorn4, but do you really need to do that?
[11:46] <Thorrn4> topyli, nvm them, I dont need it; sorry 2 waste ur time
[11:46] <holycow> senator32, what needs to consider the share?
[11:46] <senator32> this makes perfect sense....ive had it working b4 in ubuntu
[11:46] <holycow> senator32, what you are explaining makes you sound like you escaped from an insane asylum
[11:46] <senator32> i have a laptop....i want to listen to my music on my main box
[11:46] <holycow> :) i mean that nicely
[11:46] <holycow> senator32, right
[11:46] <topyli> Thorrn4: you could have had a reason, then i'd waste time to tell you how to do it :)
[11:47] <holycow> two options please listen very carefully as you are already pissing me off, and i'm a nice guy :)
[11:47] <senator32> i want to click on the music and it start ti play
[11:47] <senator32> thats it
[11:47] <holycow> just shutup and listen
[11:47] <senator32> k
[11:47] <holycow> learn first talk second
[11:47] <topyli> heh
[11:47] <Cine> grrr... think I broke it...
[11:47] <smouche> jesus, maybe you all need some ops too... ;-)
[11:47] <holycow> method 1. is the same as having a playlist on your local system
[11:47] <thr1ce> there are ops in here
[11:48] <holycow> just as you would tell xmms in y our playlist that your files are on say your desktop
[11:48] <topyli> nooooooooo
[11:48] <smouche> topyli, did you hear that?
[11:48] <thr1ce> breezy's going strong...day 1
[11:48] <Thorrn4> topyli, on 2nd thought, can u tell me?
[11:48] <holycow> you can tell xmmms that they are on the mounted share
[11:48] <zero[] > is it possible to make panels in gnome really transparent (not just show the wallpaper no matter what's really underneath)?
[11:48] <topyli> Thorrn4: first, why?
[11:48] <cikilin> hello
[11:48] <holycow> how you mount the share doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with which client you do it with
[11:48] <dell500> howdy
[11:48] <holycow> ideally you want to do it with places > network servers or connect to server
[11:48] <cikilin> i mount an ide and after restart i have to mount again
[11:49] <topyli> Thorrn4: i don't have root on any box. you need a reason
[11:49] <holycow> k? your player and playlist is on your laptop, your files are on another machine, the playlist just downloads the files over the network, there is no streaming of any kind involved
[11:49] <holycow> it has nothing to do with anything you have said basically.
[11:49] <holycow> option 2. actually setup a streaming server on  your network
[11:49] <senator32> i guess that was my question....how ...or what do i use t mount a shared network drive
[11:49] <invictus> how can I disable the gdm startup sound on hoary?
[11:49] <holycow> thats exactly the same as option 1, except instead of xmms using a playlist to download files over the network ...
[11:50] <KaiL_> Thorrn4: enabling root is possible but quite often not needed, as sudo can do the same....
[11:50] <holycow> your talking again
[11:50] <holycow> i told you to shutup
[11:50] <holycow> don't talk until i say so
[11:50] <holycow> :)
[11:50] <topyli> holycow: you're not very nice now
[11:50] <Thorrn4> topyli, I want to add a file to the...bin folder for example, it will not allow me; I want to add a theme to the usr/share/theme folder, but I cannot
[11:50] <holycow> like i was saying, if you have as streaming server on  your network, instead of xmms having a playlist that points to actual files on the network, the playlist points to the server on the network
[11:51] <holycow> in both cases all you are doing is simply mounting a share, via samba, how its done makes no difference
[11:51] <holycow> option a is the simples
[11:51] <holycow> k. done :) now talk
[11:51] <senator32> k
[11:51] <senator32> thx
[11:51] <topyli> Thorrn4: say, you want to do "foo". now you do "sudo foo". it will ask for your own password and complete the command
[11:51] <senator32> i will try option a
[11:52] <holycow> topyli, i gotta reduce the noise a bit otherwise they flail about as if they have epilepsy its hard to outline the concepts and ideas so then can solve their own problems otherwise :)
[11:52] <topyli> heh
[11:52] <holycow> senator32, no offense, i meant that humorously :)
[11:52] <senator32> yea i know
[11:52] <KingArthur10> hello, I've a question for anyone who knows.  I'm having problems with my sound.  It works, but only for certain things like Gaim and system and XMMS.  I can't get games to play sounds, and can't get flash files to play in firefox.
[11:52] <KingArthur10> any ideas?
[11:52] <senator32> i just had this working on another machine and this install is pissing me off
[11:52] <Xappe> holycow: did you, or did you not take your tranquilizers today? ;)
[11:53] <holycow> senatotr, places > connect to server
[11:53] <topyli> KingArthur10: for debugging, open a terminal and do 'killall esd', then try those games
[11:53] <holycow> select windows share most likely ... what is the other computer that storing the music, winders box?
[11:53] <holycow> Xappe, :) lol
[11:53] <senator32> yea
[11:53] <senator32> im in kde currently
[11:54] <holycow> oh shit
[11:54] <senator32> so there is no places
[11:54] <holycow> ha!
[11:54] <senator32> yea
[11:54] <holycow> fark sorry thats why your doing smb4k?
[11:54] <senator32> yea
[11:54] <senator32> couldn't talk...lol
[11:54] <holycow> smb4k still has nothing to do with streaming, your options are as was outline
[11:54] <Netsnipe> hey everyone
[11:54] <KingArthur10> topyli, that cured the problem for games, but not for flash files online
[11:54] <holycow> smb4k is flaky, try something else
[11:54] <holycow> linneighbourhood is better
[11:54] <topyli> Thorrn4: what i mean is, use sudo so you don't have to use root
[11:55] <Netsnipe> quick question, but does hoary ship with centrino firmware on the CD?
[11:55] <senator32> i'll dl it now
[11:55] <topyli> Thorrn4: let me find you an useful link, hold on
[11:55] <Thorrn4> ok thank you
[11:56] <timing> okay is there anybody here who changed his sources.list and did apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; from a one year old debian sarge box to a ubuntu hoary box without problems?
[11:56] <timing> i want to try
[11:56] <holycow> senator32, konqueror is basically what you use in kde for browsing windows network, but its been way too long since i've used it ...
[11:56] <holycow> linneighbourhood is the only client i've had success with
[11:56] <topyli> KingArthur10: well, flash may be broken in ways you can't imagine. do you have flash-nonfree? it works better
[11:56] <KingArthur10> netsnipe, technically, yes, horay ships with centrino drivers (don't think firmware), but on my Inspiron 8600, it doesn't work
[11:56] <Airo> timing, I got frustrated doing dist-upgrade from one debian to another
[11:57] <topyli> Thorrn4: here's a nice lecture for you :)
[11:57] <Airo> woody -> sarge or whatever'
[11:57] <topyli> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:57] <Thorrn4> ok topyli, hit me
[11:57] <senator32> holycow, yea...im installing linneighborhood now
[11:57] <KingArthur10> hrrmmm.....never heard of flash-nonfree.  lemme check it out
[11:57] <Netsnipe> KingArthur10: so technically, ipw2100/2200 does not work out of the box on ubuntu?
[11:57] <topyli> Thorrn4: ^^^
[11:57] <holycow> Airo, yeah thatas a huge jump, it should work but there can be snags with such a large move
[11:58] <Airo> holycow, yeps
[11:58] <Goonie> My hoary install came witw ipw2200 v. 0.19 ... How long will it be until ipw2200 v. 1.03 will be stable and apt will upgrade?
[11:58] <topyli> Thorrn4: found it?
[11:58] <Airo> blah.. sleep
[11:58] <topyli> wuss
[11:58] <Thorrn4> topyli, yea...Im reading it
[11:59] <topyli> Thorrn4: it's not really something you have to read through. just enough to see why ubuntu has no root