 👉👈
 I have an other question,anyone know how many are the minimum requirements for Lubuntu? Ubuntu Cinnamon and ubuntudde?
 It is right? :
 Can it be used with so little RAM?😳😳 (re @ForEverAlsius: )
 I'm just joking around. I read the part where you said it could not be called that lol. (re @ItzSwirlz: Please tell me where everyone is getting “Cinbuntu” or “Cinnabuntu “)
 Lol
 You need 2 - 3 gb cinnamon
 Ok tks, (re @ItzSwirlz: You need 2 - 3 gb cinnamon)
 Lubuntu will run with less than 1G of RAM but you may be limited in the applications you run. Much of the modern web will be the limiting factor. (re @ForEverAlsius: Can it be used with so little RAM?😳😳)
 Ok, tks,
[01:24] <oerheks> 64 bit - 4 gb minimum.
 So would it be okay? :

  (edited)So would it be okay? :
 I did not put Ubuntu Studio why I use it at work and I want to talk about it at another time ...😅😅😅
 Woah..  We already have Groovy Gorilla Daily builds?
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
 Just deiced to update the zync daily download script to say 20.10 and groovy instead of the 20.04 focal.
 And ran it I was surprised that there was stuff already....
 Forwarded from troyBORG: Just randomly thinking about Ubuntu 20.10's code name.   Made me think of this.. :
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Daily] (20200504) has been added
[08:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop arm64 [Groovy Daily] (20200504) has been added
[09:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Daily] (20200504.1) has been added
[09:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: 27 entries have been added, updated or disabled
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> groovy :p
[11:40] <guiverc> :)  lotuspsychje
[15:07] <shaban238> hello guys, im writing here as i was not able to sign in the #ubuntu group. im getting multiple crashes from blueman in ubuntu 20.04. im sure that its not due my laptop. i foud a bug reported in march about the same thing. anyone knows if this is common? thnks
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/413/builds
 Groovy ISO builds are now availabe
 Groovy ISO builds are now available (edited)
 However 20.04.1 will come out before Groovy-a.k.a when Eoan ends-so instead I strongly suggest http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds
 (focal daily)
 But if you ever get bored always go to groovy to see whats new


[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 "sgmoore: are you still in NM?" <- Same area but on the Arizona side ( St.Johns/Springerville ) Doing the homesteading thing since Phoenix chewed us up and spit us out during covid/housing market explosion. Honestly, I don't miss it, will never go back if I don't have to.
[19:28] <valorie> I guess the closest I've been to there is Show Low
[19:28] <valorie> looks like a beautiful area


[07:25] <mup> Bug #1947892 changed: MaaS 3.1 beta 3 feature "enlist deployed machines" feature fails on 64-bit MAC addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947892>
[07:40] <mup> Bug #1947892 opened: MaaS 3.1 beta 3 feature "enlist deployed machines" feature fails on 64-bit MAC addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947892>
[07:43] <mup> Bug #1947892 changed: MaaS 3.1 beta 3 feature "enlist deployed machines" feature fails on 64-bit MAC addresses <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947892>
[17:08] <mup> Bug #1948051 opened: Can't deploy due to "Next IP address to allocate from XXX has been observed previously"" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948051>
[17:11] <mup> Bug #1948051 changed: Can't deploy due to "Next IP address to allocate from XXX has been observed previously"" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948051>
[17:14] <mup> Bug #1948051 opened: Can't deploy due to "Next IP address to allocate from XXX has been observed previously"" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948051>
[18:38] <mup> Bug #1948058 opened: UI doesn't show complete disk models <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1948058>


 https://youtu.be/OVMO9LChIyo
 In less than 30 minutes ^
[02:08] <guiverc> ack & Thanks kc2bez ; I noted about 35 mins after your posting; just entered chat as you were live already when I saw it (didn't want to distract you here with reply)
[02:16] <kc2bez> Thanks guiverc
[02:16] <kc2bez> Thanks for being in the chat, I appreciate the help.
[07:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3636316aaa84: Add spacebar to select color scheme] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3636316aaa84
[07:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL407e52f64bb4: Spellcheck Appendix G] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL407e52f64bb4
 wxl: someone brought up the "tap to click not enabled by default" today in the livestream.
 Among other things, @kc2bez might be able to list them. There were some pretty goo points.
 *good
 I will try to compile a list in notes.lubuntu.me
 I made a short list but you were there for whole stream so it's better if you do it. I will add something if required.
 We had issues with tap to click. Hans tried to enable it but it seems the setting is unique to the device type. There may be an issue for that upstream.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I made a short list but you were there for whole stream so it's better if you do …], Feel free to add to it after I get it together.
 @kc2bez [Feel free to add to it after I get it together.], Sure
 @kc2bez [We had issues with tap to click. Hans tried to enable it but it seems the settin …], We can do it through xinput. Works for most devices.
 Will have to dig more tho.
 I wrote some notes regarding last night's stream, I will review them a little later, feel free to add to them: https://notes.lubuntu.me/s/ry6m_7dnH#
 @The_LoudSpeaker [We can do it through xinput. Works for most devices.], It works for sddm also?
 Should work. Xinput is universal
 Is Xinput adjustable from the LXQt settings? If we enable tap to click users will want to give them the ability to turn it on and off from the GUI.
 I will have to look into it. It's command line settings also differ from device to device. (Different ID numbers for touchpad, keyboard, etc.) But we can modify the default template config file. Existing gui should be able to detect if it's enabled and display according.
 There's a command that goes "xinput set-prop dev_id property_id value..."
 I had tun into it's default template file some time back. Will dig it.
 @kc2bez [I wrote some notes regarding last night's stream, I will review them a little la …], I absolutely want to highlight @lynorian's work on the manual here. Well done, keep up the great work :)
 As we can see here, it's definitely useful
 As for the wallpaper in SDDM, check my latest (unreleased) commit to the artwork repo
 I'd be happy to get @kc2bez and @guiverc's opinion on just doing that
 @tsimonq2 [I'd be happy to get @kc2bez and @guiverc's opinion on just doing that], I am good with that, unless others feel differently. I can be persuaded ;) … I made an addition for consideration to my notes.
[22:19] <guiverc> Very detailed notes Dan. thanks
 YW. Feel free to add anything I missed.
[22:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2738
[22:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T123: 20.04 Artwork] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T123#2739
 wxl: how can I use git libfm instead of the one in the repo? (libfm-qt-dev)
[23:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALab592e2ab4c0: Minor reword of do release upgrade] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALab592e2ab4c0
[23:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd053e09e0ab9: Reword to need to reboot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd053e09e0ab9
[23:36] <guiverc> kc2bez, 20.04 wallpaper comp looks good; however I wonder if in "Watermarking" we should have exception allowing for 20.04's focal fossa (logo/name), our Lubuntu logo...  or limit watermark/name/logo exception to non-Lubuntu.
[23:39] <kc2bez> That is a good point guiverc I will have to think about that. @tsimonq2 wxl your thoughts on this?
[23:43] <guiverc> the legal pitfall (esp. with focal.fossa) is using images/logos/pictures [of fossa] folks have grabbed from web that are owned/copyrighted... I doubt that's a risk with our Lubuntu logo, so we could limit it just to Lubuntu logo...


[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- slyon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4530 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination


[02:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:11] <guiverc[m]> G'day lotuspsychje
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> hey guiverc[m]
[03:33] <arraybolt3[m]> lotuspsychje: Noticed that the link to the canned responses in #ubuntu-bugs-announce:libera.chat is malformed - the "|report" got glommed onto the end of the link before it.
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx for the notice, can you fix that please hggdh ?
[03:34]  * arraybolt3[m] facepalms realizing that the channel topic told me to ping hggdh not lotuspsychje
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> dont worry he will see when at keyboard :p
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> !impish
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1974196
[14:24] <hggdh> arraybolt3[m], lotuspsychje: corrected, thanks for the heads up
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> great, tnx hggdh


[15:22] <Q-FUNK> howdy! is there any known fix to restore the module loading order to something usable with "i915" to get KMS working again?
[15:23] <llegolas> anyone with a problem booting from USB drive with karmic?
[15:26] <tormod> llegolas, yes, the kernel misses a module for my USB drive, what's your lsusb id for it?
[15:27] <llegolas> ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. CY7C68300A EZ-USB AT2 USB 2.0 to ATA/ATAPI
[15:28] <llegolas> it was booting OK with <IP_ADDRESS>-24
[15:29] <tormod> llegolas, sounds familiar, bug 419231, please confirm it
[15:29] <ubot3> Malone bug 419231 in linux "2.6.31-6.25 and later can not boot my USB drive, missing ums_cypress.ko" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419231
[15:30] <tormod> llegolas, do not confirm it! it is triaged
[15:30] <tormod> llegolas, but please use the "affects me too"
[15:31] <llegolas> yep it sounds the same
[15:31] <llegolas> I have filled bug on my own
[15:31] <llegolas> week ago or so
[15:36] <tormod> llegolas, please mark your bug as a duplicate of mine
[15:38] <llegolas> done
[15:38] <llegolas> thanks guys going to reboot with ums_cypress added
[15:45] <llegolas> worked like a charm
[15:45] <llegolas> 10x again
[16:13] <Unggnu> hi all
[16:14] <Unggnu> Is the patch posted under Bug #435241 a candidate for Karmic? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/airlied/drm-2.6.git;a=commit;h=5c61259e6c7290082108e93815f7f72f27da14f4
[16:14] <ubot3> Malone bug 435241 in linux "Intel KMS ignores some monitor resolutions (Kernel EDID should use CVT/GTF)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435241
[16:16] <pgraner> Unggnu: prob not at this point. Kernel is basically done and in harding at this point
[16:17] <dtchen> pgraner: so any trivial quirk additions and such should go through SRU?
[16:18] <pgraner> dtchen: pretty much at his point, unless they are regressions, or kitten killers
[16:18] <dtchen> pgraner: ok, thanks.
[16:18] <pgraner> dtchen: we do need to talk about the dell mic problem Jerone raised
[16:18] <unggnu_> pgraner: ok :(
[16:19] <unggnu_> pgraner: basically it is a regression because it worked without KMS and in older Ubuntu versions
[16:19] <unggnu_> Of course because they don't have KMS :)
[16:19] <pgraner> Unggnu: you will prob see it a few weeks after karmic goes live
[16:20] <dtchen> pgraner: yeah, it's one of those stack issues; it could very well require significant backporting from upstream (sound-2.6) head
[16:21] <pgraner> unggnu_: add the tag regression potential and we will look at it
[16:22] <pgraner> dtchen: *sigh*
[16:22] <pgraner> dtchen: you wouldn't happen to have done it already? For testing purposes
[16:23] <dtchen> pgraner: no, but i have it fairly high in the queue for today
[16:23] <dtchen> unfortunately i have no such hardware locally, so i'll only be able to ask for testing
[16:23] <pgraner> dtchen: cool, if you get me a test kernel I'll get it tested on all the Dell HW we have in the lab
[16:23] <dtchen> pgraner: ok
[16:23] <pgraner> dtchen: as you can imagine this is getting more heat
[16:24] <dtchen> pgraner: certainly
[18:23] <toros> hi!
[18:23] <toros> I think I found a kernel-related bug:
[18:23] <toros> The Direct Rendering stopped working on my Asus Eee PC 701 after the last kernel upgrade to version 2.6.31-11.38
[18:23] <toros> I downgraded to kernel 2.6.31-11.36 and it solved the issue
[18:24] <toros> Is this an already known bug, or should I report it?
[18:24] <toros> I tried to find a bugreport about the issue
[18:25] <toros> maybe this could be related to it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/+bug/441325
[18:25] <ubot3> Malone bug 441325 in linux "i915: KMS no longer works" [High,Triaged]
[18:25] <toros> but I'm not really sure
[18:40] <jjohansen> toros: while I am no X expert, KMS and DRI aren't necessarily related (or used to not be)
[18:41] <jjohansen> toros: we used to have bugs where DRI wouldn't work because KMS was enabled
[18:42] <jjohansen> toros: I would file it as a new bug and maybe reference that it may be related to 441325
[18:42] <toros> okay
[18:42] <toros> and I attach the xorg.0.log files
[18:48] <toros> should I give a package in the bugreport? or maybe the bug isn't directly related to the kernel package?
[18:49] <jjohansen> toros: give linux it sounds like it is a kernel bug, since installing the older kernel fixes the issue
[18:55] <toros> here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/441577
[18:55] <ubot3> Malone bug 441577 in linux "The direct rendering stopped working with the kernel 2.6.31-11.38" [Undecided,New]
[18:55] <toros> do you need any further informations?
[18:57] <jjohansen> toros: could you do an apport-collect -p linux <bug #> with the working kernel, and the new kernel that doesn't work?
[18:57] <jjohansen> toros: that will give us a good and bad state to work from
[18:59] <toros> okay
[18:59] <toros> any other thing to do?
[19:07] <toros> okay, I upgraded the kernel, now I am rebooting...
[21:42] <dtchen> pgraner: are most of those dells idt/sigmatels? are there any wayward realteks or c-medias i should be aware of?
[21:43] <pgraner> dtchen: I'd ask in the bug and I can have Jerone find out. I don't know personally
[21:43] <dtchen> pgraner: ok, following up there in a bit


[00:21] <Cheri703> no worries guys :) I had been tethered and riding to cbus, so I had to go quickly
[00:21] <Cheri703> and thanks!
[00:23] <Unit193> I noticed. I thought you already had enough higher ups there was no need for me to +1 :P
[00:23] <Cheri703> :)
[01:09] <jacob> gilbert: you freakin rock. do you have a preferred email to be used for the patch commit?
[01:36] <gilbert> jacob: the gmail one is good
[01:37] <gilbert> jacob: i think the ejection issues are a bug.  i just tried some example python-brasero scripts and they all run into the same thing
[01:37] <jacob> possibly -- I can't test at the moment; i'm on oneiric which doesn't seem to have python-brasero (?)
[01:37] <gilbert> jacob: i got motivated ;)
[01:38] <jacob> but i'm committing in good faith :D
[01:38] <gilbert> comes from gnome-python-desktop source package
[01:39] <gilbert> http://packages.qa.debian.org/python-brasero
[01:39] <jacob> perhaps it's a gnome 3 thing, i wonder if it was moved into GI
[01:39] <gilbert> nope, it just looks like ubuntu hasn't sync'd in the debian package for some reason....
[01:40] <jacob> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/i386/python-brasero "Removal requested on 2011-06-01" odd
[01:40] <jacob> i'll keep looking, it was probably just shuffled around somewhere
[01:42] <jacob> anywho, added: https://github.com/jpeddicord/kisok/commit/dbc602dd36f615091891358f46772d2c3cbc03e2
[01:42] <jacob> thanks much!
[01:45] <jacob> poking around, it looks like libbrasero-burn added some GI bindings; can probably detect for this. i'll give it a stab.
[01:45] <gilbert> jacob, it looks like the libbrasero-media package is too new on oneiric
[01:48] <canthus13> Why do I suddenly not have write access via sshfs to my server? :/
[01:50] <gilbert> jacob: it exists up to natty, so maybe plan on having that loaded on the kiosk machine?
[01:50] <gilbert> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python-brasero
[01:50] <jacob> yeah that's the plan I believe; I'm just curious as to its replacement for oneiric
[01:51] <gilbert> i would bet that there is no plan
[01:52] <jacob> hah, indeed.
[01:52] <gilbert> someone decide hey we can have gnome3 in this release!  lets just dump the stuff thats broke for now...who uses that leafy stuff anyway?
[01:52] <dzho> leafy?
[01:52] <canthus13> there's salad in Oneiric?
[01:53] <jacob> gilbert: thing is I see specific mentions of gobject-introspection and brasero, meaning that there's something somewhere
[01:53] <jacob> the somewhere is rather elusive, though
[01:54] <gilbert> canthus13: not salad, trees
[01:58] <jacob> by the way, do *we* have much of a plan for this burning station thing? someone bringing in a laptop with a burner?
[02:00] <canthus13> Hmm.
[02:00] <canthus13> I have my test machine...
[02:00] <canthus13> It's got a burner.
[02:00] <jacob> as for gnome3/gi/brasero: i give up for oneiric. will revisit that issue next year..
[12:50] <Unit193> Cheri703: Thing tonight?
[13:39] <Cheri703> yeah
[13:39] <Cheri703> Unit193:
[16:38] <thafreak> We need a cd burning station still?
[16:38] <thafreak> I was planning on throwing together something...i think I have a spare burner somewhere
[16:39] <thafreak> might not be pretty, but should work
[16:47] <thafreak> I was thinking a burning station could just be headless...we could just ssh into it, and have some scripts to burn the various ISO's we want to have
[18:05] <Cheri703> anyone use steam in ubuntu? husband is trying again to get counterstrike source to work, and it hates him
[18:53] <thafreak> i got steam on 10.04 to work
[18:53] <thafreak> i installed wine from dev ppa
[18:53] <thafreak> so it's the 1.3 branch though
[18:56] <Cheri703> hm...ok
[19:09] <Unit193> Great, lost mouse with psmouse.c: failed to re-enable mouse on isa0060/serio1
[19:11] <Cheri703> that sucks :/
[19:11] <Cheri703> Unit193: are you coming tonight?
[19:11] <dzho> here mousy mousy mousy
[19:11] <Unit193> ^^
[19:12] <Cheri703> thafreak: we have steam working, but when starting counterstrike source, it says "launching" and then vanishes
[19:13] <Unit193> Fixed without a reboot!
[19:13] <Cheri703> woo!
[19:13] <Unit193> Should be able to make it
[19:13] <Cheri703> kk, cool :)
[19:13] <Unit193> But laptop screen is no workie :(
[19:14] <Cheri703> :(
[20:57] <Unit193> Cheri703: Still home?
[20:58] <Cheri703> nope, am at panera
[20:58] <Unit193> Dang...
[20:58] <Cheri703> why?
[21:00] <Cheri703> not able to come?
[21:00] <Unit193> I'm sure you can guess by now. Unless starcraftman and I can get the transporter working, I'm not sure I can make-- Nevermind, I can make it in a few
[21:00] <Cheri703> oh, ok :)
[21:01] <Cheri703> well, if it is a hassle you don't have to worry about it
[21:02] <Cheri703> husband has a car now and I can go home at any time :) (if I'm going to be the only one here it's no big deal. I already ate my bagel)
[21:02] <Unit193> I'll still come, but you'll have to know I'll be late
[21:03] <Cheri703> ok, well I'm probably going to be heading out by 6, so depending on when you are coming, is it worth it to you? I am the only other one here
[21:03] <Cheri703> it is up to you
[21:04]  * Cheri703 is ok either way

[21:11] <Cheri703> Unit193: helllloooo?
[21:22] <Cheri703> aaand you showed up shortly after :)
[21:23] <paultag> heyya Cheri703
[21:24] <Cheri703> hola paultag
[21:25]  * Cheri703 is a member now :)
[21:25] <paultag> Cheri703: Woohoo! 'grats! :)
[21:25] <Cheri703> :)
[22:51] <Unit193> Sooo... My ride back was about ~30-40 minutes late -_-