[01:42] <ochosi> hey everyone
[01:53] <ochosi> mr_pouit: fixed the icons in git as well. sorry i seemingly completely overlooked that folder earlier...
[07:23] <astraljava> madnick: Have you wrote the email to the release mailing list?
[07:23] <astraljava> written*
[07:24] <knome> astraljava, there should be nothing except in the "what was done engineering wise"
[07:24] <knome> but i really need to go now
[07:24] <astraljava> Ok.
[07:24] <knome> so see you later today
[07:24] <astraljava> Yep, later.
[07:24] <knome> bug 961744 and bug 961745
[07:24] <knome> should go there ^
[07:25] <knome> see you, i'm running already! ->
[07:27] <micahg> umm, lightdm-gtk-greeter uploaded...
[07:36] <astraljava> micahg: mr_pouit: Am I right in saying that the only changes 'engineering wise' regarding Xubuntu only were the xubuntu-artwork update and the xubuntu-meta update for replacing mixer with pavucontrol? I didn't see any other archive changes in the logs for the past few days?
[07:37] <micahg> astraljava: lightdm-gtk-greeter source uploaded (affects other teams)
[07:37] <astraljava> Sadly I didn't pay that much attention previously, as I jumped to this co-position only yesterday...
[07:37] <micahg> astraljava: hehe, thanks for helping :)
[07:37] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, didn't know it was Xubuntu-sourced change. Thanks!
[07:37] <micahg> well, our devs did it :)
[07:37] <astraljava> Right, I guess that makes it so. :)
[07:37] <micahg> on behalf of the rest of the flavors
[07:38] <micahg> astraljava: blueman updated
[07:38] <astraljava> ...for which I thank thee on behalf of Studio! :)
[07:38] <micahg> astraljava: just look for mr_pouit uploads: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-March/thread.html
[07:38] <astraljava> micahg: Ahh... that seems like a list I should subcribe to.
[07:57] <astraljava> madnick: Mail sent. Thanks micahg, knome!
[07:58] <micahg> astraljava: lightdm-gtk-greeter was already upload, did you mean to include it in both sections?
[07:59] <astraljava> micahg: Gah... I misread the section title. I'll write a correction.
[08:13] <astraljava> grrr... stupid mutt.
[08:17] <astraljava> ...and c&p... oh well, that'll do, I don't wanna spam any more. :)
[10:00] <ochosi> can anyone confirm that gmusicbrowser has disappeared from indicator-sound in precise?
[10:00] <ochosi> (i mean the launcher that's there even when gmusicbrowser isn't running)
[10:00] <ochosi> (when gmusicbrowser is running, it's displayed there)
[10:01] <ochosi> against which package would i report the bug? indicator-sound? xubuntu-default-settings?
[13:14] <knome> astraljava, wow, thanks. that's a really good mail :)
[13:25] <mr_pouit>  [D-BUS Service]
[13:25] <mr_pouit> -Name=com.canonical.indicators.sound
[13:25] <mr_pouit> +Name=com.canonical.indicator.sound
[13:26] <mr_pouit> ^ ochosi: xubuntu-default-settings please (they renamed the service name)
[13:26] <mr_pouit> o hai
[13:31] <knome> hey
[14:02] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, so i shall file a bugreport and attach this as patch? or do you actually want me to test it?
[14:07] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, since it seemed a bit too trivial to test it, here's the bug: #963114
[14:16] <ochosi> bbl
[14:47] <mr_pouit> thanks, I tested it anyway
[14:50] <astraljava> knome: Thank you, appreciated.
[14:51] <astraljava> I'm in a bus, on my way to my mom's, so connection might be tricky, but I'll try to manage the meeting.
[14:52] <knome> heh :)
[14:52] <knome> k
[14:59] <knome> i'm hungry.
[15:13] <astraljava> knome: Pardon me, but it seems that my laptop's battery is going bad, and it tells me I only have 40 minutes left. I'm not sure whether we'll make it to Xubuntu in that time. Is there a chance you could answer any questions regarding it?
[15:14] <astraljava> ...or madnick, for that matter. But I understood he's not online at the moment.
[15:24] <GridCube> im doing today's test and im finding a problem when trying to launch the "OnBoard Configuration" from "configuration"(¿I guess thats the name in english?) and im getting a "cant be reported because of a "shared-mime-info" is obsolete?
[15:35] <GridCube> in fact onboard itself fails to launch
[15:42] <GridCube> the "undo" button on the calculator lacks an icon
[15:44] <GridCube> for some reason catfish will autodefault to search its own folder instead of ~/
[15:44] <scott-work> are there any outstanding FFe's that still require approval for beta
[15:44] <scott-work> beta 2, that is
[15:51] <scott-work> from the release-meeting
 BTW, there was a volunteer to test powerpc images for Xubuntu on (IIRC) the QA list today. [10:46] <Riddell> volunteers to test the kubuntu images on arm welcome [10:47] <scott-work> skaet: i think he was on a tram with a laptop and low battery [10:47] <skaet> ScottK, interesting,  that's not one on Xubuntu's manifest for this release. [10:47] <ScottK> Yes.  They specifically asked if it could be added back. [10:4
[15:51] <scott-work> arggh
 BTW, there was a volunteer to test powerpc images for Xubuntu on (IIRC) the QA list today.
 ScottK, interesting,  that's not one on Xubuntu's manifest for this release.
 Yes.  They specifically asked if it could be added back.
 IIRC it was just dropped due to lack of testers.
 pitti, cjwatson,  ^ thoughts?
 question for xubuntu really; if someone wants them and can test them, sure
 we should just keep in mind that adding a powerpc image quadruples image build time
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2012-March/002054.html
 in case they need fast turnarounds for bug fixes
 but that's not a big blocker, of course
 skaet: I'm not sure there are Xubuntu people active on that list.  Could you follow up with them since they aren't here?
 I'll follow up with Xubuntu team offline.
[15:58] <astraljava> scott-work: Thanks! I spoke to skaet, and we could have a chat about powerpc later today. knome: mr_pouit: madnick: micahg: Able to participate in that talk?
[16:01] <GridCube> bug #963216
[16:02] <knome> ho?
[16:02] <knome> astraljava, ^
[16:21] <ochosi> does onboard still look as bad as on oneiric?
[16:24]  * knome is currently revieweing the strategy document
[16:24] <GridCube> ochosi: i don't know because i cant launch it :P
[16:24] <GridCube> ochosi: also an icon is missing from the calculator
[16:24] <ochosi> aha?
[16:24] <ochosi> which one
[16:24] <ochosi> (screenshot ideally please)
[16:24] <GridCube> im getting it
[16:26] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/204848
[16:26] <ochosi> a-ha
[16:26] <ochosi> that must be new
[16:27] <ochosi> last time i tested the calculator it still worked
[16:27] <ochosi> (they obviously decided to switch to symbolic icons)
[16:27] <ochosi> it's undo-symbolic
[16:28] <GridCube> what else uses the undo-symbolic?
[16:28] <ochosi> GridCube: could you please switch to the other modes and see whether there's anything else missing?
[16:28] <GridCube> i did and there is not
[16:28] <ochosi> every app that uses symbolic icons for the undo-buttons
[16:28] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[16:28] <ochosi> i'll see whether i can dig one up
[16:30] <ochosi> (or better: i'll coordinate that with upstream elementary)
[16:40] <ochosi> GridCube: could you please report a bug against xubuntu-artwork so that we don't forget about this?
[16:42] <GridCube> ok
[16:42] <ochosi> ty
[16:42] <ochosi> brb
[16:44] <GridCube> bug #963262
[16:56] <ochosi> ty
[16:56] <ochosi> GridCube: it seems to be even worse when using ubuntu's own icon-theme (ubuntu-mono-dark or humanity-dark)
[17:00] <astraljava> GridCube: Did you check the bug yours was marked as a dupe of?
[17:00] <GridCube> yes i just did
[17:00] <astraljava> Seems like a classic python utf-8 bug. :)
[17:01] <ochosi> GridCube: ok, i know how to fix it
[17:01] <GridCube> im reoping the vbox to see if the workaround works :P
[17:01] <astraljava> I can check how big changes there are in the trunk to the version currently in precise.
[17:01] <GridCube> what the onboard or the calculator oc?
[17:01] <GridCube> what the onboard or the calculator ochosi ?
[17:01] <ochosi> calc
[17:01] <ochosi> onboard works here
[17:01] <GridCube> :P oh
[17:01] <astraljava> ochosi: Oh? What version?
[17:01] <GridCube> so its because mine its in spanish?
[17:02] <ochosi> whatever version is in precise
[17:02] <ochosi> (using the main server)
[17:02] <ochosi> typing with the mouse is utterly slow though :)
[17:03] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03232012-060336pm.php
[17:08] <GridCube> oh... lookat that using LANGUAGE= en did the trick
[17:10] <astraljava> GridCube: How are your language settings?
[17:11] <GridCube> i installed it on es
[17:11] <GridCube> thats for spañish
[17:11] <GridCube> fun fact
[17:12] <GridCube> even if i launch it wit he LANGUAGE=en the keyboard layout still is on latam :P
[17:13] <astraljava> latam?
[17:13] <GridCube> yes, latin amreican
[17:14] <GridCube> theres two main layouts for spañish keyboard, Spain Layout and LatinAmerican Layout
[17:15] <GridCube> and then theres a lot more, but i've never seen them, i mean there are dvorak keyboards to and all that but i've never seen them
[17:16] <astraljava> Right. Well, bzr log says it's fixed almost a week ago already, but the version in precise has latest debian/changelog entry from Feb. 21st.
[17:21] <astraljava> It's troublesome, as this affects all flavors. I'm not sure we can do much about it.
[17:21] <GridCube> i don't follow
[17:22] <GridCube> you mean its not affecting just xubuntu¿
[17:22] <astraljava> Well, not all, but it's in the tasks: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-usb.
[17:23] <astraljava> ...as well as xubuntu-desktop.
[17:23] <astraljava> I guess this issue has to be escalated to the Desktop Team.
[17:24] <GridCube> mmkay, glad i spot it now then :3
[17:24] <astraljava> Yep. Do you want to raise the issue there?
[17:24] <GridCube> ochosi: i tried all the iconsets and they all broke the calculator
[17:24] <GridCube> astraljava: i don't know how to, and your voice would be heard faster i say :D
[17:25] <astraljava> Not really, haven't dealt with that team before at all.
[17:26] <GridCube> ill do it if you want me to, but i don't really know what to say
[17:27] <astraljava> GridCube: I'd just join the appropriate channel, voice the problem and link to the bug in LP. They will either pick up on it, or instruct on how to proceed with getting it updated.
[17:27] <GridCube> :) ok, whats the channel?
[17:27] <astraljava> It should be #ubuntu-desktop.
[17:32] <GridCube> done :)
[17:36] <astraljava> Most excellent! Thanks a bunch! :)
[17:54] <micahg> astraljava: I'm around now, still need me?
[17:55] <knome> astraljava, hmmp. i'm okay with the PPC build, but i'm not going to start supporting it officially, not even semi-officially, and i don't think we can throw next to any developer time to it
[17:56] <astraljava> micahg: Kate hasn't started the discussion yet, but it regards the powerpc support. Do we have testers enough to support the manifest for precise?
[17:56] <micahg> astraljava: who is we in this case?
[17:56] <astraljava> micahg: Xubuntu Team.
[17:56] <knome> micahg, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03232012-064511pm.php
[17:56] <knome> astraljava, if we have *one* volunteer, err, no
[17:56] <micahg> astraljava: no idea, that's why we dropped it in the first place
[17:57] <knome> micahg, fix that!!!!
[17:57] <knome> ;)
[17:57] <micahg> knome: I don't have working hardware ATM
[17:57] <knome> micahg, awwh
[17:57] <knome> micahg, in that case... you can tell somebody else to fix that :)
[17:57] <astraljava> micahg: That's what I was afraid of. I don't really know who that one volunteer is, but it was brought up in the release meeting today, and Kate was about to talk about it here.
[17:58] <knome> skaet,
[17:58] <knome> 19:55  knome: astraljava, hmmp. i'm okay with the PPC build, but i'm not going to start supporting it officially, not even semi-officially, and i don't think we can throw next to any developer time to it
[17:58] <knome> skaet, that ^
[17:59] <skaet> hiya knome,  I don't know who the volunteer is either.
[17:59] <skaet> and adding it will slow down your rebuild times...
[17:59] <micahg> I don't mind adding back powerpc, we're in good shape regarding that
[18:00] <micahg> the problem was without a tester, it was never releasable
[18:00] <knome> skaet, please find out and tell him to stop at this channel, and we can rethink the issue together
[18:00] <skaet> micahg,  it will make the xubuntu rebuilds about 4x slower if we have powerpc in the set, until all are done building.
[18:00] <knome> skaet, also, if micahg can confirm he has the time to do at least some bugfixes for that, i'm okay with that too
[18:00] <micahg> the only developer time is shuffling langpacks to not be oversized
[18:01] <knome> skaet, but probably after PP, not *for* PP
[18:01] <skaet> knome,  fair enough.
[18:01] <micahg> skaet: we can always build it and not block on it
[18:02] <micahg> knome: time, idk, but I try to fix those build issues in any event for xubuntu packages
[18:02] <skaet> micahg, I think that looking at how we can stop blocking on it as part of the build infrastructure would give us more options.   we're not there yet, and unlikely to get there for P.
[18:02] <knome> micahg, mm-hmm. 4× slower rebuilds doesn't sound good >__<
[18:03] <astraljava> What machinery would run a powerpc build? If I get a job, I might be interested in getting some, if there are any cheaper ones.
[18:03] <micahg> skaet: oh, you can't publish until they're all finished?
[18:03] <skaet> micahg, yeah. :(
[18:03] <micahg> astraljava: old Macs, IBM POWER servers
[18:03] <knome> astraljava, ps3? ;)
[18:04] <skaet> micahg, We can manually invoke a subset, but it gets fiddly and when things are under pressure, its another thing to get wrong, so I'd prefer to avoid it.
[18:04] <astraljava> knome: But they pulled the support for installing other OS, didn't they? An older MBP I could think of acquiring.
[18:04] <knome> astraljava, yeah, in the later revisions, or that might be related to the OS version too.
[18:04] <micahg> astraljava: right, idk if ps3 is even unofficially supported at this point
[18:05] <astraljava> micahg: Gotcha.
[18:05] <knome> astraljava, you could try buying one with nhl '11, and see if that works first.
[18:05] <micahg> skaet: are we getting a faster powerpc image builder, or did that already happen?
[18:06] <astraljava> knome: I'll get back to the matter if/when I have a job.
[18:06] <knome> :)
[18:06] <skaet> micahg, ticket to swap in the faster PPC has been waiting for over 5 months now, so I'm not optimistic we'll get it this cycle.
[18:13] <astraljava> So, I think the conclusion is not to add PPC builds for PP, we'll revise the decision for the PP+1. No?
[18:15] <knome> yes, i think that's the most sensible thing to do at this point
[18:16]  * skaet notes.   :)
[18:17] <astraljava> Thanks. :)
[18:18]  * genii-around ponders the two Molar Macs he has sitting at home under the stairs
[18:18]  * astraljava goes to google for Molar Macs
[18:19] <genii-around> PPC 750
[18:20] <micahg> skaet: would you be averse to adding PPC for a point release if the testing and image building issues are fixed?
[18:23] <skaet> micahg, yes.  Long time to support, and not what the interest level in the old version wll be like in 2 years time.
[18:23] <skaet> s/yes/yes, I am averse to adding it to the point release/
[18:23] <skaet> :)
[18:24] <genii-around> astraljava: If someone is willing to pay shipping from Toronto to where you are, one or both of them are yours for free
[18:25] <astraljava> genii-around: Thanks, but shipping such monsters to Finland, some 10k+ miles from Toronto, is probably more expensive than buying some here. :) Appreciate the thought, though.
[18:26] <genii-around> astraljava: OK
[18:27] <astraljava> Well, maybe not 10k+ miles, but kilometres at least. :)
[18:28] <micahg> skaet: I would only consider it as a preview and non-blocking, not a firm commitment
[18:35] <skaet> micahg, new hardware being added in point releases should only be used for firm commitments to support for the entire period.  The next development release seems like the best option for preview/non-blocking.
[18:41] <GridCube> astraljava: they never answer on #ubuntu-desktop, so i don't know what to do and i have to go now, :/
[18:42] <astraljava> GridCube: Ok, I'll join there and monitor if they react on it later.
[18:43] <GridCube> mmkay want me to repost my question??
[18:44] <astraljava> Yes, please. Thanks!
[18:45] <GridCube> there :)
[18:45] <GridCube> gotta go now, see yah
[18:48] <astraljava> Thanks!
[18:48] <astraljava> See ya later.
[18:55] <astraljava> micahg: Alright, how do we go about it? An FFe (re: onboard)?
[18:56] <micahg> astraljava: it's bug fix, I just need to ask skaet
[18:56] <astraljava> micahg: Gotcha, thanks!
[18:56] <micahg> brb, reboot
[19:58] <ochosi> i'll be back on sunday evening or better on monday
[19:58] <ochosi> have a nice weekend everyone!
[21:29] <TheMouldyMarsBar>  /join #arbot
[21:30] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Oops
[21:53] <knome> pleia2, i sent email to the xfce devs on the logo issue, you've been cc'd


[11:46] <scott-work> i'm baaaaaaack :)
[11:46] <falktx> hey
[11:46] <scott-work> abogani: either this afternoon or tomorrow's i will begin again with the -lowlatency kernel
[11:47] <scott-work> abogani: i believe i have to correct the version number and use the tilde "~" in lieu of the dash or minus sign to correct what i had done
[11:47] <scott-work> hi falktx, how are you?
[11:47] <scott-work> ailo, paultag:  i'm guessing that the -controls update isn't going to happen for natty
[11:48] <scott-work> i'll talk to luke about getting it out of natty unless someone has a very strong objection
[11:48] <falktx> scott-work: good, I'm working on rt-kernel drivers again (nvidia should be working by now)
[11:48] <falktx> scott-work: what about cadence?
[11:48] <scott-work> ailo, paultag: the good news is that we have _plenty_ of time to get the -lowlatency kernel in the repository now for natty+1 (ocelette ?) for the -controls update
[11:48] <falktx> scott-work: I can work really hard on it, if you promise me it will be included in US
[11:49] <scott-work> falktx: i don't know at this point, i'll need to refresh my knowledge of cadence lately
[11:50] <falktx> scott-work: http://repo.or.cz/w/cadence.git
[11:50] <scott-work> falktx: i have seen screenshots from before, but that was probably three months ago and i think you've been working on it pretty heavy during that time
[11:50] <scott-work> heh, you, ailo, and abogani are going to drag me kicking and screaming into the 21 century with 'git'
[11:51] <falktx> hehe
[11:51] <falktx> scott-work: the GUIs itself don't change much, but there was a lot of bug-fixing
[11:52] <scott-work> i got pretty comfortable with bzr and so i didn't really worry about learning more about git, but apparently the rest of the world doesn't revolve around ubuntu :P
[11:52] <scott-work> falktx: cool
[11:52] <falktx> scott-work: you should just try them
[11:52] <falktx> git clone git://repo.or.cz/cadence.git
[11:52] <falktx> make
[11:52] <scott-work> falktx: probably next week i'll look at it, but we need to also see how this contrasts with what ailo and paul have been doing
[11:53] <falktx> scott-work: yep, I'll be here waiting
[11:53] <scott-work> okay, thanks falktx for the instructions :)  you've just increase the chances i'll succeed dramatically
[11:53] <falktx> lol
[11:53] <scott-work> actually i'm starting to get git
[11:53] <scott-work> heh, i made a funny
[11:54] <scott-work> hi holstein :)
[11:54] <falktx> scott-work: build depends: python-qt4-devel pyqt4-dev-tools ladspa-sdk dssi-dev libasound2-dev
[11:54] <falktx> scott-work: runtime depends: libjack0 python-rdflib python-qt4-dbus python-qt4-gl jack-capture
[11:55] <falktx> scott-work: my patchbay can now use GL for rendering
[12:10] <ailo> falktx, I think paultags idea was to make a controls application that was pluginable
[12:10] <falktx> ailo: extensions to the control app?
[12:10] <falktx> hm...
[12:10] <ailo> falktx, My app so far was just a hack that was intended for Natty only
[12:12] <ailo> falktx, So, my idea was to make something like an indicator app called ubuntustudio-controls, and then let any app that wants to act as a plugin be called utc--<name>. That could be anything, like qjackctl.
[12:12] <ailo> falktx, Main part of it would be a system preferences plugin
[12:13] <ailo> falktx, But, I haven't really started coding anything yet.
[12:13] <falktx> ailo: that gives me some ideas...
[12:14] <ailo> falktx, I was going to use GTK, but I don't have any problems with QT, though I don't see why the two couldn't be mixed, even.
[12:14] <falktx> i would prefer qt
[12:14] <falktx> qt plays nice with gtk, but gtk does not play nice with qt/kde
[12:15] <scott-work> the new kernel patch that improves performance in the stock kernel is apparently in Ubuntu and Fedora :  http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/222185/speedy_wonder_patch_debuts_in_new_linux_kernel.html
[12:16] <scott-work> this might seem ignorant or niave but i wonder if which kernel version it will be in and if we will see any performance boosts for latencies
[12:16] <ailo> falktx, I really have too little experience with QT and KDE to know the difference. I guess there could be two versions of a main app, if done the way I propose
[12:16] <scott-work> i realize it's in 2.6.38 mind you, just not what dot verison
[12:17] <ailo> falktx, One nice thing would be that the indicator icon could be activated by any plugin, like go red for xruns, or go yellow for system warnings and so on.
[12:17] <ailo> scott-work, It should be in all of them, though it might not be activated
[12:18] <falktx> ailo: that could be a specific app
[12:18] <ailo> scott-work, As far as I have been able to tell, it makes it easier to watch Youtube while compiling from source.
[12:18] <falktx> ailo: I already have some tools, your idea is good for a new one
[12:18] <falktx> ailo: lol, compiling and watching videos
[12:19] <scott-work> ailo: well then, that's a success!  we should make a advert for ubuntu studio and tell everyone how good this kernel is
[12:19] <scott-work> just kidding :P
[12:20] <ailo> scott-work, I'm sure I'm missing something. The link you posted seems to adress other enhancements too.
[12:33] <ailo> Ah, he quit. I was just trying out Cadence
[12:37] <ailo> falktx, Was just trying Cadence
[12:38] <ailo> falktx, On Natty. Perhaps easier on another system?
[12:38] <ailo> falktx, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.jackaudio.service was not provided by any .service files
[12:39] <falktx> ailo: you need to use jackdbus, not jackd
[12:39] <ailo> falktx, Ok.
[12:39] <falktx> ailo: please stop jackd and restart the app
[12:39]  * falktx will soon remove jackd support from his jack2 PPA package
[12:42] <ailo> falktx, Why jackdbus only? I must be missing some packages. I was able to start cadence, and start jack, but not configure. All other options were grayed out
[12:43] <falktx> ailo: cadence itself is the most poor app
[12:43] <falktx> ailo: try other tools like catia, claudia, carla, xycontroller
[12:43] <falktx> still no readme in there though
[12:43] <falktx> for 'carla' (the plugin host), run 'make carla' first
[12:43] <falktx> ^ not build by default, still very unstable
[12:44] <ailo> falktx, Ok. About Cadence, I find the window is too large for my little screen. I would hide some options in an advanced tab, while keeping only the essential stuff on the main page.
[12:45] <falktx> yep, todo soon
[13:00] <scott-work> ailo: do you still advocate removing -controls from natty?
[13:01] <ailo> scott-work, Yes. How about earlier releases? I think on Lucid, only firewire settings are right.
[13:02] <ailo> scott-work, While 10.10 should be all wrong, just like 11.04.
[13:02] <scott-work> i'm not sure at this point, i'll need to talk to someone about what/how to do things
[13:02] <scott-work> obviously i would like to make sure natty is correct first since it's not released yet
[13:03] <scott-work> secondly, i think we should evaluate for the last LTS verison (lucid)
[13:03] <ailo> scott-work, It would have nice to update those. At least make sure on Lucid that app edits the right file. That should be easy enought to do
[13:03] <scott-work> right
[13:03] <ailo> scott-work, It would just mean editing one line or so in the source code
[13:04] <scott-work> and i'm least worried about 10.10 - if we ignored it or sent an email to the mailing list then i wouldn't loose sleep
[13:04] <scott-work> i'll start talking to luke later today about going forward then for information and see if he would be agreeable to remove -controls for natty then
[13:05] <ailo> scott-work, There are at least two other apps that are not needed. Both PA related
[13:05] <ailo> scott-work, I have to double check, though
[13:05] <ailo> scott-work, Since I use Ubuntu mainly, I seem to forge Ubuntustudio Desktop functions differently
[13:05] <scott-work> ailo: okay
[13:07] <ailo> scott-work, What's the deal with wireless? Would network-manager still add any problems to Ubuntustudio? I hear it is less then before. Don't know about firewire
[13:07] <scott-work> ailo: are you experiencing problems with wireless?
[13:08] <scott-work> ailo: i expected less problems with network-manager than the previous gnome-network-admin
[13:08] <scott-work> to clarify:  i expect less complaints about getting wireless working with network-manager
[13:09] <ailo> scott-work, Not really. My wireless driver may be bad, but I don't think network-manager is causing whatever problems I have.
[13:09] <scott-work> however, i also wouldn't be surprised if someone complained that using network-manager increased intermittent xruns
[13:13] <ailo> scott-work, I haven't had any problems with network-manager. Doesn't many audio distros include that? If we investigate that, perhaps we could consider adding it to the mix?
[13:14] <scott-work> ailo: we already include network-manager as a replacement for gnome-network-admin
[13:15] <scott-work> many, many users complained about gnome-network-admin being difficult to set up wireless during installation (and post-installation for that matter)
[13:15] <scott-work> effectively, many users simply couldn't use wireless directly after installation
[13:16] <scott-work> they would have to use the DVD as a repository and install network-manager which had been included on disc but not installed
[13:16] <ailo> scott-work,  I was just trying Lucid. You mean since then, it is much easier?
[13:16] <scott-work> or download network-manager or one of the other managers and put it onto their machine
[13:16] <scott-work> ailo: natty is the first one to include network manager
[13:16] <ailo> scott-work, Ok. Good. Then that is already decided.
[13:32] <ailo> Or, perhaps an app could be created on which ubuntustudio-controls could be a plugin.
[13:33] <scott-work> ailo: i'm not sure i understand your defintion of 'plugin' in this instance
[13:33] <scott-work> do you mean for previous version of ubuntustudio or for going forward
[13:33] <scott-work> and what use case would you need this
[13:35] <ailo> scott-work, Some of the many ideas that have been for ubuntustudio-controls could perhaps be divided into different applications. It would make it easy for users to find all of that from an indicator menu.
[13:35] <ailo> scott-work, The main use for ubuntustudio-controls is to help users adjust their system
[13:36] <holstein> o/
[13:36] <ailo> Whatever is done on top of that, could be made into "plugin" that you can install, and add to that menu, if you want
[13:40] <ailo> I'm not of the opinion that we should add session management, and PA jack bridge as default components of ubuntustudio-controls. I am not against including those as options. Exactly how that should be categorized, divided into apps or menus and tabs, I don't know.
[13:44] <ailo> scott-work, A plugin could be as simple as just including an application starter in a menu. At least, I think it would be nice for some apps, like a jack control app, to change the icon color for xruns and so on.
[13:46] <ailo> I'm just throwing ideas around at this point, and I was meaning to start working on a new ubuntustudio-controls, based on the work I did so far, but turning it into an indicator app. Also, I would want to include options for checking the system at startup, as my script did.
[13:46] <scott-work> ailo:  okay, i think i start to understand
[13:46] <scott-work> -controls would provide the framework and the indicator menu in the panel
[13:47] <scott-work> and as the plugins are installed they are available in the indicator menu
[13:47] <scott-work> i like the concept :)
[14:24] <falktx> back
[19:18] <holstein> scott-work: boing
[19:18] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/739628?comments=all
[19:18] <holstein> could you or someone look at that
[19:18] <scott-work> looking
[19:18] <holstein> and mark it 'wishlist' if you agree
[19:20] <scott-work> we are including network-manager with natty now, which is what ubuntu desktop uses
[19:20] <holstein> scott-work: COOL
[19:20] <scott-work> and i think it has a pretty good network icon already
[19:20] <holstein> i'll re-comment there on the bug
[19:20] <scott-work> so this may not be an issue then
[19:21] <holstein> nah, that'll totally do it
[19:21] <scott-work> you might wait to comment until we verify it in natty
[19:21] <holstein> scott-work: maybe mark it fixed
[19:21] <holstein> scott-work: OK
[19:21] <scott-work> i say that because we do funny things with the panel with the icon set, etc
[19:21] <scott-work> well not "funny" but idfferent
[19:21] <scott-work> different
[19:21] <holstein> not funny = haha
[19:22] <scott-work> so i would like to make sure it beheaves like expected, i'll do that tonight while i'm working on the -lowlatency kernel


 @dohbee [keep callilng them podcasts and he'll never do them again :P], ^ this.  True.   … It's because you called it such it shall  never return! … No... i would love to but alas....  life..  thanks for your encouragement
 @Stereofont [Wayne! Seasonal hugs 🎉], thanks :)  miss being here more.....
 Hi All, was wondering if there is a chance to port Nokia communicator with Symbian 9.2
 Does UT has detailed caller history option
 I.E every call information( missed, dialled, received call)of particular number
 Or it will display last call info
[07:26] <ubptgbot> MingjunLi was added by: MingjunLi
 hey guys
 anyone has the original meizu pro 5 that came with ubuntu touch?
 was just wondering if I can take a look at the md5 of the bootloader
[08:01] <ubptgbot> Ethan was added by: Ethan
 Hello, I noticed the website could use some spell checking and grammar fixing. I looked around github and gitlab for somewhere to make a commit but did not find anything. How can I help with this?
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 @John [I.E every call information( missed, dialled, received call)of particular number], Swipe up from bottom edge. That is all we have - but should be most of what you are looking for.
 Plz Screenshot it
 @Flohack [Well to be fair, there are not many arm desktops/laptops for personal use out th …], It runs from source on arm64
 Used my pi 3b + once
 @Flohack [Well to be fair, there are not many arm desktops/laptops for personal use out th …], All the new Mac books have arm 64
 It works fine on arm64 from source, just need to package it
 Tested on my OnePlus One
 @nanu_c [All the new Mac books have arm 64], With Linux xd
 @Ethan [Hello, I noticed the website could use some spell checking and grammar fixing. I …], Website translations are disabled. They dont work well with our cms system, always conflicting on each little change, and on top all strings contain html markup which is superhard to translate with
[09:23] <ubptgbot> Aj_Rocks was added by: Aj_Rocks
 @Ethan [Hello, I noticed the website could use some spell checking and grammar fixing. I …], it stopped working one or two OTAs ago. Although, when it worked, it wasn't really working well and to my experience, I think it's better disabled 😅 … the problem is the keyboard can't properly get properties of text fields in the browser. …
[09:48] <ubptgbot> You can check `keyboard-component` in ubports github repo
 @John [Plz Screenshot it], There is a small arrow at the bottom. Place your finger below the bottom edge of your screen. The hold it pressed on the screen and move it upwards. That should bring up the 'recent calls' page.
[09:57] <ubptgbot> blinovartem was added by: blinovartem
 Good afternoon, I really liked the appearance of Ubuntu Touch in the screenshots, but alas, I have no opportunity because of the opportunity to remake my smartphone or find a device supported by the system. Can you please, all the design elements of the user interface (icons, wallpapers, themes, corporate colors and fonts, and so on)
[09:58] <ubptgbot> to create your own android device theme?!
 [Edit] Good afternoon, I really liked the appearance of Ubuntu Touch in the screenshots, but alas, I have no opportunity because of the opportunity to remake my smartphone or find a device supported by the system. Can you please, all the design elements of the user interface (icons, wallpapers, themes, corporate colors and fonts, and
[10:04] <ubptgbot> so on) to create your own android device theme?!  (Updated) Realized that Ubuntu Font Family might be used
 [Edit] Good afternoon, I really liked the appearance of Ubuntu Touch in the screenshots, but alas, I have no opportunity because of the opportunity to remake my smartphone or find a device supported by the system. Can you please, all the design elements of the user interface (icons, wallpapers, themes, corporate colors and fonts, and
[10:04] <ubptgbot> so on) to create your own android device theme?!   … (Updated) Realized that Ubuntu Font Family might be used
[10:31] <ubptgbot> Copyuno was added by: Copyuno
 @lastdon82 [Hi All, was wondering if there is a chance to port Nokia communicator with Symbi …], wow i haven't heard of symbian in years, sadly if memory serves symbian powered phone are very low powered ubuntu touch is made for those specs
 @Fuseteam [wow i haven't heard of symbian in years, sadly if memory serves symbian powered …], isn't?
 👀
 Merry Christmas !   … I'd like replace my old BQ4.5 and the Redmi7 looks promising, available for a good price. … Is there a plan to provide an installer for it in the near future ?
 @Javacookies [isn't?], symbian is from the pre android back then phones didn't have gigs of storage and mem— ohw typo thanks
 @lastdon82 [Hi All, was wondering if there is a chance to port Nokia communicator with Symbi …], [Edit] wow i haven't heard of symbian in years, sadly if memory serves symbian powered phone are very low powered ubuntu touch isn't made for those specs
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/8NvkScXx.webp
 most of the time, we miss or mistype the most important word of the sentence 😂
 😂😂😂
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 (Sticker, 512x244) https://irc.ubports.com/9XP3Qxf0.webp
[12:09] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Hi, question about Vollaphone: When the device is off and I plug the usb cable to recharge the battery, device automatically turns on into fastboot mode. Is this normal? If not is there a way to fix it without loosing the data? I did already reinstall UT but problem persists. Thank you very much for your feedback.
 @Steve Kueffer [Hi, question about Vollaphone: When the device is off and I plug the usb cable t …], yeah it's normal for all android 9 devices :(
 @Steve Kueffer [Hi, question about Vollaphone: When the device is off and I plug the usb cable t …], [Edit] yeah it's "normal" for all android 9 devices :(
 I hope it will be fixed one day
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[12:19] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @just_carlod [I hope it will be fixed one day], OK thank you very much! 👍
[12:22] <ubptgbot> Pramod was added by: Pramod
 Is there any way of playing an mp4 video file on UT?
 @xander2m [Is there any way of playing an mp4 video file on UT?], IHNA
 @Master_Technolgy [IHNA], ?
 @xander2m [?], I have no Idea
 😂
 If you don't know the answer in a big group, there's no need to reply at all. Someone else will probably come along with it
 If your device's hardware acceleration doesn't work and the media player fails to play the video, try UTMedia. It plays videos using Chromium software decoding.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/UzncntBj.png
 I get this error with utmedia.
 [Edit] I get this error with utmedia. @universalsuperbox
 [Edit] I get this error with utmedia on nexus 5. @universalsuperbox
 @Steve Kueffer [Hi, question about Vollaphone: When the device is off and I plug the usb cable t …], There might be a fastboot command to change the behavior
 @Steve Kueffer [Hi, question about Vollaphone: When the device is off and I plug the usb cable t …], fastboot oem off-mode-charge disable
 @amyosx check your doorstep for a bq M10 :)
[15:04] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @mateosalta [fastboot oem off-mode-charge disable], Thank you. I type this in the device terminal?
 On your computer while phone is in fastboot mode
 [Edit] On your computer connected to phone with usb while phone is in fastboot mode
 @popeydc [@amyosx check your doorstep for a bq M10 :)], Yay thank you
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/uyw9OXgG.png
 The m10 is a nice device
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Woo, make some awesome stuff with it 😃
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Christmas gift
 @popeydc [@amyosx check your doorstep for a bq M10 :)], Lol how that happens? :D
 He literally went to the college I'm going to next year he's that close xD
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/qi8tdd30.png
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 nice
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Brand new?
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Might be one of the last people to do this
 Were you got it?
 @Lukapanio [Brand new?], Yep
 @Lukapanio [Were you got it?], Alan gave it to me
 Just dropped it off
 @amyosx [Alan gave it to me], Oh lol, why?
 @amyosx [Alan gave it to me], For android or ut stuff?
 UT
 @amyosx [UT], You are ut guy? Lol didnt knew that
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/sUvGkEc6.png
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Noice
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Upsate
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], [Edit] Update
 Yeah imma put ubports UT on it ofc
 @amyosx [Might be one of the last people to do this], Oh the fhd one, awesome
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/fn07Z3TL.png New school device?
 Also it had charge after all this time!
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/CbUfNI7G.png I be out here running gimp on a tablet
 This is amazing
 :)
 Glad it works okay.
 Been sat in a box in Canonical hq for maybe 5 years
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 Glad it went to someone who will use it rather than sit in my office
 @popeydc [Glad it went to someone who will use it rather than sit in my office], Haha
 Its a nice upgrade from my grouper
 awesome!
 @popeydc [Glad it went to someone who will use it rather than sit in my office], Haha mostly everyone would use it
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/D8vpInbQ.png Hello UBPorts
 I wish Yumi was animated in the installer xD
 @Shakendo [yes we do], til developers.soundcloud.com exists
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], 👍😍😍
 @Fuseteam [til developers.soundcloud.com exists], Yeah and even the registration form is closed the api still works if the client_id is extracted from the souncloud.com website
 @bettehem [Yeah and even the registration form is closed the api still works if the client_ …], ohw there are a few closed things
 @bettehem [Yeah and even the registration form is closed the api still works if the client_ …], Lol yep
 good find :)
 But I wonder if I can get that download_url without a key
 Hmmm
 New SoundCloud downloaded time
 @popeydc [Been sat in a box in Canonical hq for maybe 5 years], it's amazing that this thing is still in a great condition :P
 i've seen things remain unopened but the content inside is a bit brokey
 This is all perfect
 bq really has quality hardware
 @Fuseteam [bq really has quality hardware], Yeah they were great
 [Edit] i can atest bq really has quality hardware
 RIP bq
 yeah
 [Edit] yeah tis a shame really
 @Fuseteam [ohw there are a few closed things], They have moved some of the urls to api-v2soundcloud.com. The annoying thing is that there's no mention of this anywhere on their developer website
 @Fuseteam [ohw there are a few closed things], [Edit] They have moved some of the urls to api-v2.soundcloud.com. The annoying thing is that there's no mention of this anywhere on their developer website
 indeed no mention of that url at all
 Wen ETA ubports client
 *downloads qt creator*
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/LrIM0wH9.png
 Trying qml creator for on device dev xD
 @Fuseteam [indeed no mention of that url at all], Yep, also there's no mention on the fact that you have to get soundcloud's "system playlists" (meaning auto-generated i guess) data from `/system-playlists` instead of `/playlists`
 There is mine, still have a screen protector left :)
 Good afternoon … The Libertine is operating for installer apps?
 @mateosalta [There is mine, still have a screen protector left :)], Wow nice!
 I'm gonna keep a lookout for stuff for it
 Was their a keyboard?
 nah, but generic keyboard cases work
 @bettehem [Yep, also there's no mention on the fact that you have to get soundcloud's "syst …], @FuseteamOh, and also `/search` exists under the `api-v2` url and works well even thought there's no mention on a search api endpoint even existing😎
 @bettehem [Yep, also there's no mention on the fact that you have to get soundcloud's "syst …], [Edit] @Fuseteam Oh, and also `/search` exists under the `api-v2` url and works well even thought there's no mention on a search api endpoint even existing😎
 @PauloAndrePMP [Good afternoon … The Libertine is operating for installer apps?], it is for installing legacy X11 apps or CLI tools, yes
 @mateosalta [nah, but generic keyboard cases work], Yeah ofc I just wish there was an official
 @bettehem [Yep, also there's no mention on the fact that you have to get soundcloud's "syst …], but how do you know these things 👀
 @bettehem [@Fuseteam Oh, and also /search exists under the api-v2 url and works well even t …], coool 🤔
[16:07] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @mateosalta [On your computer connected to phone with usb while phone is in fastboot mode], 👍
 @Fuseteam [but how do you know these things 👀], I have been working on a musicbot for teamspeak with spotify, youtube and souncloud support, so i have had to study their apis quite a lot
 @bettehem [I have been working on a musicbot for teamspeak with spotify, youtube and souncl …], Wow
 What qt do I need specifically for ubports dev
 @amyosx [What qt do I need specifically for ubports dev], just need to install clickable on desktop and some dependencies
 on ut itself you can use seabass2
 [Edit] on ut itself you can use seabass2, write, build and test on device itself
 [Edit] on ut you can use seabass2, write, build and test on device itself
 @bettehem [I have been working on a musicbot for teamspeak with spotify, youtube and souncl …], ohw cool interesting, that expertise sounds really handy to get a ut soundcloud app going xD
 @amyosx [Wow], Yeah it's starting to turn out pretty well, It allows you to add tracks, albums, playlists etc to the same queue from all 3 services
 @Fuseteam [ohw cool interesting, that expertise sounds really handy to get a ut soundcloud …], I'm gonna try something myself now and see if I can get it to work
 @bettehem [Yeah it's starting to turn out pretty well, It allows you to add tracks, albums, …], Nice!
 @amyosx [I'm gonna try something myself now and see if I can get it to work], nice!
 @Fuseteam [ohw cool interesting, that expertise sounds really handy to get a ut soundcloud …], Yeah, I can probably help with the api stuff, but i have no experience in developing specifically for ut
 @Fuseteam [nice!], Step 1) run a qml app on ut
 @bettehem [Yeah, I can probably help with the api stuff, but i have no experience in develo …], Ive done qml before
 I have this letv lemax x900 with Android 6.0.1 but want to install Ubport but don't know how any help here
 @amyosx [Ive done qml before], well, that's good. tell me when you need help with api related stuff and i'll do my best to help!
 @bettehem [Yeah, I can probably help with the api stuff, but i have no experience in develo …], great i'm sure others in the community can fill the ut gap :3
 @Fuseteam [great i'm sure others in the community can fill the ut gap :3], Yeah I'm pretty sure of that too
 i'm actually interested in trying my hand as well but i can't promise anything yet
 I think with my knowledge of the Spotify API we could probably make Futify better too at some point
 yeah probably
 maybe we could even add soundcloud support to futify
 [Edit] maybe we could even add soundcloud support to futify :^3
 yeah that could also be possible. i haven't looked in to futify's source code though, so i don't know how hard it would be to add support for a new service
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/LwUKq7F9.png Let's go clickable!
 maybe i'll look into its source when i find a chance (or maybe amy will beat me to it)
 Yeah, let's see😎
 see?
 [Edit] "soundrain" … see?
 Haha
 Oh, btw if you guys are interested in the music bot I mentioned, you can check it out here: https://gitlab.com/Bettehem/ts3-musicbot
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], LoL whats is this?
 Clickable
 @bettehem [Oh, btw if you guys are interested in the music bot I mentioned, you can check i …], awesome 👍
 @qtrit [LoL whats is this?], Dev tool for ut apps
 cool 👍
 (Photo, 1280x640) https://irc.ubports.com/q06bVRVS.png
 Ewww
 @bettehem [Oh, btw if you guys are interested in the music bot I mentioned, you can check i …], After I merge the song queue to the master branch i'll probably start working on a way to have the bot act as the ts3 client by itself, so downloading the official client is not necessary. Sometimes the official client freezes or crashes after
[16:26] <ubptgbot>  several days of uptime and it's annoying if you have to go restart the ts3 client manually. If the bot would also be the client, we'd no longer have to rely on the official client functioning🤔 Also, by having the client built in to the bot, It could start working on ARM devices too. TeamSpeak desktop client is only supported on x86 based linux/ma
[16:26] <ubptgbot> cos/windows and i don't see that changing any time soon
 a bit offtopic, but could someone explain how Kali builds work (better in Overflow group)? Do they basically run Linux distro in chroot + some way to display UI?
 @whys0seri0us [<reply to media>], that looks soo hard to use
 @NotKit [a bit offtopic, but could someone explain how Kali builds work (better in Overfl …], I'll explain in OF
 @NotKit [a bit offtopic, but could someone explain how Kali builds work (better in Overfl …], i think it’s a chroot with a vnc server
 @mintphin [that looks soo hard to use], you can use it without GUI
 @whys0seri0us [you can use it without GUI], yeah that would be better
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 @Flohack [Website translations are disabled. They dont work well with our cms system, alwa …], Ok, I am not sure what this means in regard to my question.  The English used to describe the Volla phone on the /devices/promoted-devices webpage is not grammatically correct. Where can I go to submit corrections?
 @Ethan [Ok, I am not sure what this means in regard to my question.  The English used to …], You can join our website team or write an email.  Thanks Florian
 ping pong
 Hello
 is it me you're looking for?
 Lol
 Sent that from a very laggy teleports
 Maybe its to do with the amount of chats I have
 For me teleports is laggy sometimes too, but restarting the app usually fixes it
 yeah teleports seems to lag on first launch
 So I have installed adb and fastboot inside my ubuntu touch to install apks
 But its showing my device is offline
 Any solution
 Please
 Help
 we need more context
 Inside ubuntu touch terminal i have installed adb tools
 which device? does it support anbox? do you have anbox installed?
 And fastboot tools
 Oneplus one
 you don't need fastboot installed
 Yes it supports
 if you're on devel image, it already has everything needed. you just need to run `anbox-tool install` iirc
 @sandysmart [Yes it supports], did you install it?
 @Fuseteam [did you install it?], Yea anbox installed
 @dohbee [if you're on devel image, it already has everything needed. you just need to run …], Installed
 if `adb devices` says no devices, then anbox isn't running
 and no, i don't know why it wouldn't be running. try to reboot, and try to check the logs
 Its showing offline
 i guess there should be some log for anbox container manager in `/var/log/` somewhere
 can you open one of the default android apps?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/IqqUWrRs.png
 @sandysmart [<reply to media>], try to open one of the default android apps
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/6bC50kSk.png
 I did
 hmmm
 maybe developer mode in android settings?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/sC2lG13s.png
 @Fuseteam [maybe developer mode in android settings?], Ohhh
 Ok let me checj
 Its not going into developer settings
 the anbox android image is a developer build iirc, so shouldn't need to enable adb in developer settings anyway
 anyway, have you tried to do `adb shell` or `adb install foo.apk` yet?
 @dohbee [anyway, have you tried to do adb shell or adb install foo.apk yet?], Saying my device is offline
 So can't
 Came
 After disabling and enabling anbox
 Thanks for your time guys
 @Fuseteam [yeah teleports seems to lag on first launch], Ok
 I thought it was something to do with being in a few hundred chats
 Okay can i remove anbox default apps?
 Because I don't need those!!
 i think they can't be uninstalled currently; but you can probably find the `.desktop` files for them in `~/.local/share/applications/anbox/` and add `Hidden=true` and they should not appear in the app drawer any more
 though there's a bug in the anbox stuff about anbox apps being duplicated, so that might not work well at the moment either :P
 what's up with Teleports image viewer it usually crashes the app when I zoom 😅
 @sandysmart [Saying my device is offline], wait have actually try to run `adb shell`?
 perhaps it saying "offline" is just one of the many quicks of anbox
 @Fuseteam [perhaps it saying "offline" is just one of the many quicks of anbox], Yea this resolved now
 ohw fun 😂😂😂
 @dohbee [though there's a bug in the anbox stuff about anbox apps being duplicated, so th …], Sooo noo😂
 @sandysmart [Sooo noo😂], just delete the desktop files crazy frog music plays
 or move them just in case something breaks :p
 @Fuseteam [just delete the desktop files crazy frog music plays], Waaa
[19:05] <ubptgbot> Nico van Strien was added by: Nico van Strien
[19:09] <squirrel> i have a noname tablet that i want to try to put ubuntu on, should i go with ubuntu desktop or ubuntu touch?
 @squirrel [i have a noname tablet that i want to try to put ubuntu on, should i go with ubu …], Desktop boots on mainline more easilt so do that
 @squirrel [i have a noname tablet that i want to try to put ubuntu on, should i go with ubu …], [Edit] Desktop boots on mainline more easily so do that
 What SOC?
 system on chip
[19:12] <squirrel> it says it's using intel atom z8300. i installed win10 but i just can't find the drivers for the wireless so i thought i'd try ubuntu
 try desktop first on that
[19:13] <squirrel> aha i will thanks
 then there was an experimental iso for ubuntu touch for desktops to try if that works
 there was?
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 @lastdon82 [Hi All, was wondering if there is a chance to port Nokia communicator with Symbi …], Sorry, that is not a device that can be ported.
 @Fuseteam [there was?], Lomiri
 @squirrel [it says it's using intel atom z8300. i installed win10 but i just can't find the …], Try ubuntu, u may need to replace the WiFi card with a compatible one
 @amyosx [Lomiri], ubuntu + lomiri ≠ ubuntu touch tho 🤔
 I know
 There's also the qemu image
 the qemu image is a different story
 Yeah uhh
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 sub guys
 sup*
 im buying a nexus 5 tomorrow, and how does ubports perform on it?
 @yiidnewsted [im buying a nexus 5 tomorrow, and how does ubports perform on it?], Pretty good actually
 @Nicktl [Pretty good actually], hmmmm
 okay i need some opinions on it tho
 im buying it for 20 bucks, is that a bargain or a ripoff
 lol
 I had some trouble playing video files though
 20 bugs is pretty cheap
 hmm
 do calls work on it?
 Yes
 alright might actually use it as my daily driver
 lol
 Used ubuntu touch on a meizu mx4 when it came out and it was a pleasure to use
 @Nicktl [Used ubuntu touch on a meizu mx4 when it came out and it was a pleasure to use], also
 what are the bugs with nexus 5?
 im guessing camera would be a bit of a problem
 I will check in a minute
 I have one laying around here
 @yiidnewsted [what are the bugs with nexus 5?], You /s
 It has trouble with video files
 @amyosx [You /s], damn.
 Nah in terms of daily driver for UT, my only issue is lack of apps
 @amyosx [Nah in terms of daily driver for UT, my only issue is lack of apps], i mena
 But I still use it in some form
 mean*
 most apps i use are in the openstore
 atleast in a different form
 OK that's fine then
 telegram, twitter, youtube
 Just make sure you always have signal xD
 not sure about the youtube one tho
 @amyosx [Just make sure you always have signal xD], lmao
 we'll see how that goes
 @yiidnewsted [not sure about the youtube one tho], YouTube's there
 Also no VoLTE
 @amyosx [YouTube's there], okay nice
 @amyosx [Also no VoLTE], not even in my phone plan
 Cool
 A certain provider requires it though
 @amyosx [A certain provider requires it though], jio moment
 i dont live in india do
 tho*
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/xDJbTqDb.webp
 Hello is the ubports gsi available
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], also is nexus 5 on oreo lmao
 @Meowlollol [Hello is the ubports gsi available], Uhh let me grab you the link
 @yiidnewsted [also is nexus 5 on oreo lmao], nah nvm, i saw it wrong
 @amyosx [Uhh let me grab you the link], By the way what makes special this rom
 thought the guy who was selling it was on oreo cause of the apps, turns out its just marshmallow with updated gapps
 @Meowlollol [By the way what makes special this rom], https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/halium/GSI/
 @Meowlollol [By the way what makes special this rom], that it isnt android
 @Meowlollol [By the way what makes special this rom], Its not android 😂
 and required halium
 Its linux
 [Edit] and requires halium
 @amyosx [Its linux], i meaannnnn
 i guess android kinda co— LMFAOOOOOOOOO
 NEVER MIND
 @yiidnewsted [i guess android kinda co— LMFAOOOOOOOOO], That's android/Linux not gnu/Linux or busybox/linux
 android could never be the same as linux
 @amyosx [Its not android 😂], Ok linux I never used this so I just wanna give a try
 @Meowlollol [Ok linux I never used this so I just wanna give a try], You need a patched kernel for Ubuntu Touch
 What phone do you haveM
 [Edit] What phone do you have?
 @amyosx [What phone do you have?], Poco F1
 @amyosx [That's android/Linux not gnu/Linux or busybox/linux], I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as Android, is infact, Google/Android. Or as I've recently taken to calling it, Google+Android. Andro--
 @Meowlollol [Poco F1], https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4611/xiaomi-poco-f1-beryllium
 here you go
 i was going around town looking for phones that are supported by ubuntu touch/pmos today lmao
 @yiidnewsted [i was going around town looking for phones that are supported by ubuntu touch/pm …], I need pc I think I don't have with me
 @Meowlollol [I need pc I think I don't have with me], then F
 cause you need a pc for this
 @yiidnewsted [i was going around town looking for phones that are supported by ubuntu touch/pm …], Wow stores that are actually open...
 But what's make special I meant how is the linux os
 @Nicktl [Wow stores that are actually open...], eh, turkey isnt that good at maintaining lockdown
 lol
 @Meowlollol [But what's make special I meant how is the linux os], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEaN70ZpptM&t=770s
 here you go, you can check it out
 im way too hyped for my nexus 5, something is gonna go wrong
 @Meowlollol [But what's make special I meant how is the linux os], Ubuntu Touch isn't like a PC Linux, it runs its own packaging format and its own user interface. For a better look watch a video
 @yiidnewsted [eh, turkey isnt that good at maintaining lockdown], In the Netherlands they are
 @yiidnewsted [im way too hyped for my nexus 5, something is gonna go wrong], Lol
 It'll be fine
 We're here: even on Christmas 😂
 @amyosx [Ubuntu Touch isn't like a PC Linux, it runs its own packaging format and its own …], Thanks
 @yiidnewsted [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEaN70ZpptM&t=770s], Thanks buddy
[20:00] <ubptgbot> Uxescz was added by: Uxescz
 @Meowlollol [Thanks buddy], no problem man
 @yiidnewsted [no problem man], By the way how u feel while using comparing to android
 @Meowlollol [By the way how u feel while using comparing to android], havent installed it yet
 but from what i've seen
 it seems way smoother
 Aha
 Basically its a mini macbook pro ultra max
 Right
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bjzLri2sfaY
 Old Ubuntu Touch review!
 N  one more thing format data is necessary ?
 Becoz I hv already installed twrp n using custom rom
 @Meowlollol [Basically its a mini macbook pro ultra max], huh
 @amyosx [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bjzLri2sfaY], I feel like it was better at that time
 but unluckly canonical drops support for lots of features :(
 [Edit] but unluckly canonical and uports drop support for lots of features :(
 [Edit] but unluckly canonical and uports drop support for lots of features  :(
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/0GS2tL8d.png I just unwrapped my Christmas present. I love it! 😁
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], Oh my, that is both funny and cool xDD
[20:33] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Definitely!  😉
 I am bored
 @Meowlollol [N  one more thing format data is necessary ?], Yeah
 I might try to port ubuntu touch with halium 5.1. Even though the device has a android 7.1 and android 9 port xD
 Wait. This is the wrong chat to be talking about porting. Whoops
[20:49] <ubptgbot> Tel Egram was added by: Tel Egram
[20:59] <ubptgbot> samiam31234 was added by: samiam31234
 I might try port halium to BQ m10
 @amyosx [I might try port halium to BQ m10], Good luck
 Merry Christmas everyone 🌲
 @Aga [Merry Christmas everyone 🌲], Thanks, Merry Christmas to you too
 Thanks 😀
 No problem!
 How to install ubuntu port on redmi note 7?
 it is supported by installer