[07:39] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin 0.2.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin-0-2-0-released-tp49735.html (by Viktor Odintsev)
[10:03] <Unit193> xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin still isn't in our packageset. :/
[10:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, updates to it are supposed to be automatic, but in my experience, they definitely are not
[10:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfdashy did eventually get in, though.
[10:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, but it was probably after somebody requested a full refresh of some packageset
[10:26] <bluesabre> It usually goes... 1) wait for it, 2) nothing happens, 3) ask for it, 4) get told it's automatic, but sure I'll do it, 5) new packages appear
[10:28] <Unit193> Gotta out wait it.
[10:28] <Unit193> Only took me 3 years of waiting for one package to get in. :P
[10:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Solution: Go for MOTU.
[11:41] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi: 7 days to UI freeze :)
[11:42] <knome> yes
[16:27] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: re final beta - if we're going to shout on x.org we'll want to get that ready soon :)
[17:54] <flocculant> that said maybe we should wait till beginning of next cycle and hope people care enough then *shrug*
[17:54] <flocculant> from what's been said recently in here - maybe more new stuff turning up xfce wise in ppa's we can point people at
[19:03] <bluesabre> Definitely going to be a lot of activity at the beginning of next cycle, we should have updated things in PPAs before the cycle starts
[19:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - that sounds like some attempt at a plan then
[19:10] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: ^^
[22:20] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/0.2.0-0ubuntu1
[22:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: awesome!
[22:21] <Unit193> Quite, should be pretty nice.  I've entirely switched to it, but still on indicator-sound. :3
[22:27] <bluesabre> same here (except using pa-plug instead)
[22:28] <Unit193> Right, meant I'm sticking with ind-sound over pa-plug still. :3
[22:28] <Unit193> Though it doesn't seem to conflict with -sound+volumed as much.
[22:29] <ninetls> bluesabre: Unit193: I even replaced systray with sn-plugin!
[22:30] <ninetls> there were some apps which have used systray, I wrote a lib to replace systray with sn for them lol
[22:30] <ninetls> a lib to load via LD_PRELOAD
[22:31] <bluesabre> ninetls, neat :D
[22:31] <Unit193> LD_PRELOAD isn't my friend, or I'd use the nice one to get rid of headerbars and csds.  However, if you were to link it... :D
[22:32] <ninetls> hmm
[22:32] <ninetls> they are no universal
[22:32] <ninetls> I need a separate lib for each app I want
[22:34] <Unit193> ....Oh.
[22:34] <Unit193> !info gtk3-nocsd
[22:44] <Unit193> Backported sn-plugin to Xenial and Zesty in 'extras'
[22:45] <ninetls> wow
[22:45] <ninetls> sn-plugin in xenial?
[22:46] <ninetls> it uses gtk 3.18
[22:47] <Unit193> You had asked for it, yep.  I don't usually backport stuff to Xenial anymore. :>
[22:47] <ninetls> I asked only to show it to my friend :D
[22:48] <ninetls> "I'm to lazy to compile something myself, I'm a REGULAR USER, understand?"
 :P
[22:49] <ninetls> I always package everything too
[22:49] <ninetls> even when I just want to test something
[22:49] <Unit193> Oh good, it's not just me then.
[22:50] <ninetls> it's really simple in my arch
[22:50] <ninetls> I just download existing pkgbuild and edit the code it downloads :D
[22:51] <Unit193> Well, Firefox sync and 'the lounge' are two exceptions.  The former works great with uwsgi, the latter is some node horror show that I just put in lxc.  Yeah, since Debian/Ubuntu splits dev files, I build in a clean chroot.  Same idea.


[18:55] <SpamapS> ugh.. trying to bzr pull from every charm in precise takes *a long time*
[18:56] <sarnold> yeah, I think I ended up ^C on that, figuring that the first 50 charms would probably have the example code I'd want to learn from...
[18:58] <SpamapS> I used to publish a tarball with all of the current charms at http://people.canonical.com/~clint/ .. I wonder if my crontab is available for somebody else to set that up again
[18:59] <timrc> SpamapS: bar is designed to allow you, the developer, long coffee and / or smoke breaks
[18:59] <timrc> blah
[18:59] <timrc> bzr
[18:59] <SpamapS> bar too
[19:00] <timrc> SpamapS: indeed;)
[19:47] <b1tbkt> FATAL ERROR: Could not determine OpenStack codename for version 1:2013
[19:47] <b1tbkt> getting that when deploying keystone
[20:11] <mattgriffin> jamespage: i don't see zul around. was he going to join the debian-mysql hangout?
[20:13] <jamespage> mattgriffin, let me go find him
[21:02] <wallyworld> m_3: hey, are you free for a juju subcommand chat in 208?
[21:02] <thumper> or marcoceppi
[21:02] <thumper> some people... are questioning your desire for plugins
[21:02] <marcoceppi> thumper: wallyworld right now?
[21:02] <thumper> if possible
[21:03] <wallyworld> if possible. or later works too
[21:03] <marcoceppi> not atm, later for sure
[21:03] <thumper> kk
[21:34] <marcoceppi> thumper: wallyworld: you guys have time now?
[21:34] <wallyworld> marcoceppi: yesy please, room 208 ok?
[21:34] <marcoceppi> wallyworld: yes, we'll be up in 5
[21:34] <wallyworld> kk


[00:12] <sak> This is tricky. I am using Lubuntu 14.04, on my desktop and want to install and rest vino and remmina. However, these packages are install by default on ubuntu unity?
[22:58] <sak> Firstly, if anyone is into football, I am rooting for Seattle to take the title. Little can do BIG things...;-)
[22:58] <sak> Can the QA team suggest a default package to be pre-installed in "ALL" ubunt variants?


[00:00] <Linuxnoob> I've just installed lubuntu on a notebook but im having some troubles I'd love some help
[00:01] <freeroute> hi, I'm trying to remove a package but the package manager recommends me to remove lubuntu-desktop - http://kpaste.net/bbc5
[00:02] <ianorlin> freeroute that makes sense as it is part of lubuntu-desktop and as long as it isn't removing core components you should be fine
[00:03] <wxl> Linuxnoob: need to be more specific
[00:03] <wxl> freeroute: remove lubuntu-desktop first (just an index file) and then remove what you want
[00:05] <Linuxnoob> ok i installed evertying, but now the touchpad and the keyboard dont work
[00:06] <wxl> Linuxnoob: what version did you install?
[00:06] <Linuxnoob> im already in lubuntu, and using external devices i can work but not the actuall ones
[00:06] <Linuxnoob> trusty thar
[00:07] <Linuxnoob> 14.04 i believe
[00:07] <wxl> Linuxnoob: and were these devices working when you did the install?
[00:07] <Linuxnoob> yea with the original OS it worked fine
[00:09] <wxl> Linuxnoob: with the original OS? you mean the live installer?
[00:09] <Linuxnoob> its a toshiba AC 100
[00:10] <Linuxnoob> it had android in it, so everything worked fine. now I installed lubuntu and it stopped
[00:10] <wxl> how did you install lubuntu, Linuxnoob ?
[00:10] <Linuxnoob> I had someone helping me. we used nvflash
[00:10] <Linuxnoob> and a usb stick
[00:11] <wxl> Linuxnoob: what image did you use? the lubuntu image?
[00:11] <Linuxnoob> u mean the bootimg?
[00:12] <wxl> Linuxnoob: i mean which lubuntu image did you use? alternate? desktop? where did you get the image?
[00:14] <Linuxnoob> the guy helping me told me to use this one
[00:14] <Linuxnoob> trusty-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+ac100.tar
[00:14] <Linuxnoob> we didnt use an iso cuz the ac100 cant boot from USB
[00:14] <wxl> and where did you acquire that?
[00:16] <Linuxnoob> dunno
[00:18] <wxl> i don't know of a armhf image we support, honestly
[00:18] <wxl> i mean if you look at the official releases, you won't find one
[00:18] <wxl> here's trusty: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[00:19] <wxl> it's possible that ubuntu proper offers an armhf image
[00:19] <wxl> you could install that and then install lubuntu-desktop if you wanted to have lubuntu
[00:20] <wxl> essentially armhf exists for one real reason: to support touch
[00:20] <wxl> and that's only there for a limited number of devices
[00:22] <wxl> Linuxnoob: i know there is support for armhf server images and i know that snappy offers images for e.g. raspberry pi 2, beagle bone, but i think that's where things end
[00:23] <wxl> Linuxnoob: with that all being said, i would run the check for additional drivers and see if you get lucky
[00:24] <Linuxnoob> im running sudo apt-get update but no luck
[00:24] <wxl> Linuxnoob: look in the menu.
[00:25] <Linuxnoob> ?
[00:25] <wxl> Linuxnoob: http://askubuntu.com/questions/197110/enable-drivers-on-lubuntu
[00:31] <Linuxnoob> i find two drivers in the aditional drivers tab
[00:32] <Linuxnoob> X.Org.X server and NVidia Binary xorg driver for tergra 2 etc
 any thoughts on that?
[01:34] <lubuntunoob> hello, I've just installed lubuntu on a Toshiba AC100 but the keyboard and touchpad are not working. Can anyone help me?
[02:02] <The_Eccentric> lubuntunoob: are you using usa keyboard format?
[02:02] <lubuntunoob> no. i selected my native language
[02:02] <lubuntunoob> could that be the problem?
[06:05] <proteusguy> I've got a fairly clean fresh install of kubuntu. It will never give me a sudo dialog when trying to run commands that need escalated privlidges like installing updates. Also my NetworkManager widget is busted keeps saying "0.9.8 required found ". What's broken on my kubuntu 14.10 setup?
[06:05] <The_Eccentric> oji
[06:09] <ianorlin> proteusguy, this is #lubntu
[06:09] <proteusguy> damn sorry - wrong group.
[16:23] <fqq> hello
[16:24] <fqq> short: actual daily build of lubuntu 64bit is broken. When you start browser, whole system freeze for ever. You also cant swtich to for example tty2 and have to pull out the power of the computer and restart again.
[17:39] <fqq> short: actual daily build of lubuntu 64bit is broken. When you start browser, whole system freeze for ever. You also cant swtich to for example tty2 and have to pull out the power of the computer and restart again.
[17:41] <ianorlinlaptop> fqq I will check when I get home
[17:41] <ianorlinlaptop> I can't of can't really download the whole iso on jaack in the box wifi
[17:43] <fqq> ianorlinlaptop: awsome. Thanks :)
[17:53] <jay__> i really like lubuntu alot...wondering if there is a distro faster than lubuntu that keeps a windows xp appearance ?
[17:57] <jay__> are there any distros which run faster than lubuntu ?     i heard of crunchbang but doesn't look very user friendly
[17:57] <jay__> I also tried peppermint but it seems identical to lubuntu and slightly slower too
[18:04] <fqq> with fast did you mean boot up or speed while using?
[18:06] <jay__> both boot up and speed in general
[18:06] <jay__> lubuntu is pretty fast, just curious to know if there is anything out there
[18:07] <jay__> i noticed that the distros faster than lubuntu are not necessarily user friendly
[18:07] <jay__> i am going to try bridge linux soon
[18:08] <fqq> http://www.tinycorelinux.net/
[18:09] <Unit193> #! is nice, but going away.  It's just openbox, not LXDE.
[18:09] <fqq> http://www.tinycorelinux.net/6.x/x86/release/CorePlus-6.1.iso
[18:09] <jay__> cool
[18:09] <fqq> Unit193: he say xp-like. not LXDE
[18:09] <jay__> alot of ppl told me about puppy but i tried it and it really seems too dated
[18:09] <jay__> lxde like is fine too
[18:09] <fqq> yes, puppy is fully outdated
[18:10] <jay__> i also tried zorin, linux mint,
[18:10] <fqq> tinycore 6.1 is from 08.03.2015
[18:10] <jay__> lubuntu so far is my fav but it does seem slightly dated but nothing like puppy
[18:11] <jay__> i was hoping peppermint would be faster but peppermint seems to have a better color scheme but not faster
[18:12] <jay__> i heard of LXQt, is that faster ?
[18:12] <fqq> you can also try manjaro with LXQT
[18:13] <fqq> LXQT is that, what lubuntu would use in future
[18:13] <ianorlinlaptop> it is not really faster but more differnt but the lxqt-runner is quite ncie
[18:13] <jay__> what is the fastest LXQT distro as of now ??  manjaor or ??
[18:13] <ianorlinlaptop> but still not that stable and lots of changing parts taht can break
[18:13] <fqq> https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=21291.0
[18:13] <ianorlinlaptop> there is also isduction with lxqt
[18:14] <Unit193> jay__: You're only going to get "faster" by going with only a window manager, no DE.  Also, pretty much only by building up, you're not going to find something pre-built with all the bells, going really fast.  You are trying to compare software created in 2015 to that of 2002.
[18:14] <ianorlinlaptop> which I might trust more than manjaro as it is an actual lxqt dev working on it
[18:14] <jay__> i see
[18:14] <fqq> ianorlinlaptop: he told "xp like experiance". i think then he also wants to have the chance of broken system and unstability :p
[18:15] <jay__> i mean the layout similar to win 95, 98, xp
[18:15] <jay__> lxde seems to have that
[18:15] <jay__> I am fairly new to linux but learning each day
[18:15] <ianorlinlaptop> you mean you want a taskbar and menu?
[18:15] <jay__> right at the bottom like win 98
[18:15] <jay__> thats all i care for
[18:16] <jay__> i dislike the mac and android layout
[18:16] <fqq> you can have that with neraly everything
[18:16] <jay__> oh ok
[18:16] <fqq> kde, gnome, fluxbox, icewm, lxde, lxqt, ...
[18:16] <fqq> fast, small, stable system: debian minimal installation cd
[18:16] <jay__> so with all the distros you have tried.  Which distro is much faster than lubuntu, fairly new and user friendly
[18:17] <jay__> i am looking for much faster than lubuntu
[18:17] <jay__> not slightly faster
[18:17] <fqq> put an ssd into your computer
[18:17] <ianorlinlaptop> um but if it is perpiphal ata it will be hard to find an ssd
[18:17] <jay__> ssd ?
[18:18] <ianorlinlaptop> but if it has a sata interface will work much better
[18:18] <jay__> what is that like a usb flash drive but a harddrive
[18:18] <fqq> ianorlinlaptop: he have to tell what he is using
[18:18] <jay__> ssd are faster reading hard drives ?
[18:18] <jay__> they spin faster than the standard HD ..........the ssd ?
[18:18] <fqq> about 15 times faster. yes
[18:18] <fqq> there is nothing spinning
[18:18] <ianorlinlaptop> jay__, yes they use flash memory but they have better wear levleing than usb ones and have a better contorler
[18:19] <fqq> i use ssd since 5 years. strange for me to explain 5 years later what an ssd is :D
[18:19] <ianorlinlaptop> I have found it makes a huge differnce even on this core 2 duo laptop that I took out the 5400 rpm drive and then it flies
[18:20] <fqq> take an samsung 840 pro or samsung 850 pro. you would love them
[18:20] <jay__> do they make ssd external
[18:20] <jay__> so i have to replace my hard drive for an ssd hard drive to move like the speed of light then .......lol
[18:20] <fqq> jay__:  did you have usb 3.0?
[18:20] <jay__> yea i have 3.0 port available
[18:21] <fqq> Samsung T1
[18:21] <ianorlinlaptop> um then you probably have sata internally as well
[18:21] <ianorlinlaptop> I personally have found crucial mx100 really nice but have not had many other ssds
[18:21] <fqq> only external ssd thats worth it. Of course not as good and comfortable like a nice 850 pro
[18:22] <fqq> ianorlinlaptop: i had aroud 60 different ones
[18:22] <jay__> im not a big fan of korean products
[18:22] <jay__> i prefer japan and china products, samsung is like hyundai
[18:22] <fqq> jay__: then build a company by yourself and make an own one
[18:23] <fqq> we cant have enough markets :)
[18:24] <jay__> does japan have an OS system ?
[18:24] <fqq> a country?
[18:24] <jay__> is there an OS system like linux in Japan
[18:24] <fqq> Free os is something the people on this world have. not a country
[18:25] <jay__> heard of BTRON
[18:25] <jay__> ?
[18:25] <fqq> if you like it, then use it. it does not matter where its from as long as you have the full source of all
[18:26] <jay__> after windows 7 i stopped with windows
[18:26] <jay__> i keep windows 7 to run publisher, illustrator
[18:27] <jay__> why was so much invested into windows and not linux
[18:27] <jay__> i would think if as much was given to linux, linux would be superior to windows .........or maybe not  idk
[18:28] <jay__> but anyways i will look into that ssd and tiny linux os and manjaro lxqt
[18:28] <jay__> thanks
[18:29] <fqq> replace illustrator with Inkscape and publisher with scribus
[18:53] <jay__> what up to date web browser runs fastest with lubuntu ?
[18:53] <jay__> i tried konqueror but it seems very buggy
[18:54] <jay__> firefox is alright but was looking for something faster,  I tried flashpeak slimjet browser and that worked pretty well so far
[19:22] <genii> midori
[19:24] <Unit193> So very out of date in the repos, sadly.  There's xombrero and qupzilla.
[19:26] <genii> I heard qupzilla is good but haven't tried it
[19:26] <Unit193> I haven't either. :P
[19:26] <ianorlin> I have I like it but there are some places it doesn't work right
[19:27] <ianorlin> and you get weird messages about unsupported versions of safari
[19:32] <genii> Yes, that would be odd
[20:16] <acz32> i installed playonlinux which installed wine, and it stuck a wine entry in my main application menu
[20:17] <acz32> not under a category, such as Internet. i can't find a way to modify that menu to get it out of there. looked into something called alacarte but it isn't working
[21:19] <tmontet18> need help with lubuntu new install, im a Newbie
[21:20] <ianorlin> tmontet18, what version and on what hardware?
[21:20] <tmontet18> not sure the version, i installed on an older toshiba satellite laptop
[21:23] <tmontet18> the issue i am having is after the install lubuntu boots up and my screen displays 2 images of the desktop
[21:24] <ianorlin> 2 images meaning the desktop twice?
[21:24] <ianorlin> or two desktops you can switch between
[21:25] <tmontet18> yes, the screen shows the 2 desktop images side by side
[21:25] <tmontet18> cannot switch between the 2
[21:25] <ianorlin> right click on the desktop
[21:26] <tmontet18> i have no cursor
[21:26] <ianorlin> um that is a problem
[21:26] <ianorlin> more than the desktop
[21:27] <tmontet18> any suggestions?


includes a revision I didn't really want in its output ...


[14:38]  * xTEMPLARx peeks into the room
[14:40] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: about time you bum
[14:40] <wrst> :P
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> sorry it's been hectic at work lately
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> not much time for goofin'
[14:42] <wrst> well xTEMPLARx that is just unacceptable
[14:43] <xTEMPLARx> agreed, friend
[14:43] <xTEMPLARx> how's the young'un doin?
[14:44] <wrst> running around like a chicken with her head cut off... so doing great! yours?
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> getting along smashingly
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> i couldn't ask for a better son, imo
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> entering a join.me session with a customer... bbiaf
[14:48] <wrst> see you later xTEMPLARx
[14:52] <xTEMPLARx> join.me is crazy sluggish
[14:52] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[14:53] <wrst> well i'm crazy and sluggish too i should like that
[14:54] <wrst> ohh thats not what you meant
[14:57] <xTEMPLARx> ;)
[15:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my wife is gone this weekend starting friday night just me and the 20 month old red head
[15:03] <wrst> if there is a house left it will be a mess
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> you're doomed
[15:05] <wrst> nah we do pretty well together actually
[15:05] <wrst> we are both stubborn and hard headed
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> heya wrst
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> do you know any kb shortcuts to gnome shell?
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> i.e., is there one to easily switch workspaces?
[15:38] <wrst> ctl-alt-arrow key up or down
[15:38] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i am now on kde got tired of every major gnome-shell update breaking all the extensions then having to wait weeks/months with a crippled desktop
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> really?
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> guess I've been lucky
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> how many extensions were you using?
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> I MIGHT have one
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> maybe two
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> but I think just one
[15:39] <wrst> had 3 or four, I like having icons in the panel as they should be that was the major one, and minor yes i know
[15:40] <wrst> but the seem to be going somewhat backwards and just a pain as much as i loved gnome, i didn't leave them they left me
[15:42] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: here is my current setup: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/snapshot1.png
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> dual monitors?
[15:43] <wrst> thats on my desktop have the same theme on my laptop
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> mine seems so much more antiquated by comparison
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> I like my desktop icons
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> or rather, desktop full-o-icons
[15:46] <wrst> i use the desktop just for a workspace, for things i'm currently working with then off they go to what i consider a proper storage area
[15:46] <wrst> needless to say by that screenshot i was piddling :)
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> i still haven't given up my desktop clutter yet
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> but I think its kinda funny
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> for as different as gnome shell is
[15:46] <wrst> but i'm enjoying kde 4.9, but whenever they change to kde 5.0 whenever that is and break everythign i will go back to gnome
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> mine has turned out not that different from what gnome 2 was giving me
[15:47] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my thing is i shouldn't have to work to make my desktop usable
[15:47] <wrst> i shouldn't have to install a "tweak-tool"
[15:47] <wrst> etc etc version 3.0 i get it, 3.2 sure, 3.4 starting to bother me, 3.6 really?
[15:47] <chris4585> wrst, I agree
[15:48] <wrst> i think the gnome devs really don't care what the users want, and that's their perogative so thats fine but I don't have to use it either
[15:48] <chris4585> I'm happy in openbox land though where the parts are interchangeable
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> tweak tool is default, I believe, in the gnome shell 3.6 install with 12.10 gnomebuntu
[15:48] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: but its not a default gnome tool
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> and it should be, for sure
[15:48] <wrst> and its hackish looking and hackish at best
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> its like not including a preferences menu
[15:48] <wrst> kde you have that lovely system settings that is very os x like but works very nicely
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> yeah, but does it play nice with the rest of the network?
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> i never had it work well with the network
[15:49] <wrst> kde?
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> it was just the file manager
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> yes
[15:49] <wrst> dolphin actually works now, very well
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> browsing network shares in KDE (the last time I tried it) was clunky and difficult
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> samba shares that is
[15:50] <chris4585> isn't it clunky and difficult in gnome?
[15:50] <wrst> actually around kde 4.5 i wanted to change but dolphin was horrible but now you just go to the network shares and it works
[15:50] <chris4585> I've literally never had it work properly
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> it rendered my workflow here next to impossible
[15:50] <wrst> chris4585: i always had good luck with samba in gnome, and now it works well in kde
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: actually no... i have NO problems with samba interactivity
[15:51] <chris4585> ah, well I guess I always had bad luck with it
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx, chris4585 many times is that the actual desktop or is it how the backend is set up?
[15:51] <chris4585> I prefer to have ssh and sftp
[15:51] <wrst> chris4585: that's my preference but at my house with windows and mac, samba is just the easy route and it works very nicely
[15:52] <wrst> but when i transfer large files, i use ssh seems to work better/quicker for me
[15:52] <chris4585> backend I guess? and wrst yeah whatever is easiest
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> no complaints with samba's speed on our network
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> and this being a 90% windows-based company, samba it is
[15:52] <chris4585> I rarely transfer files and when I do I just use filezilla or scp or sshfs or something like that
[15:53] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: probably something in my setup truth be told and I'm not exactly operating on great hardware either atom processor 1GB of RAM is my file server and not a super fast hard drive either, and 10/100 network card
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> Ah so
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> this is a quad-core amd box with a good nvidia card in it
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> still just a 100baseT network tho
[15:54] <wrst> that makes a difference i would think :)
[15:54] <wrst> but still not a 3 dollar newegg card ;)
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> our network is being difficult
[15:55] <wrst> but i don't have enterprise class routing equipment so i have lots o' bottlenecks and now that we have 10-15 devices on our network i'm starting to notice it even at home
[15:55] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, what cpu? I have a Phenom II 960T Zosma 3ghz overclocked to 3.2ghz
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> we definitely don't have enterprise-class anything here
[15:55] <chris4585> enterprise stuff is expensive....
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> we have a pfsense router that I built, and an old dell box for a linux-based filestorage machine
[15:56] <wrst> we have 3 phones, 2 tablets, 2 laptops, 1 wii, 2 directv receivers, 1 desktop, 1 server, on our network when we are all at home
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: I've got an AMD Phenom II X4 840 at 3.2GHz
[15:56] <wrst> that seems to slow our wifi down
[15:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  you use pfsense at home?
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> i couldn't trick them into springing for the black edition though :(
[15:56] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, nice :) I like phenoms especially with how cheap they are today
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  nope just the netgear vpn router
[15:57] <wrst> ahh ok
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: amen to t hat... this machine and my machine at home both run them and they're splendid
[15:57] <chris4585> I got the black edition and its kind of nice to know I can tinker with it
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> http://i.imgur.com/aD9FA.jpg
[15:57] <wrst> i have thought about upgrading our router because with all our devices wifi gets a little wiggly sometime especially now that my daughter has my old phone and watches youtube videos when its time to settle down at night
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> that's my work desktop atm, wrst
[15:57] <chris4585> eventually I'd like to get an 8350... when I get another job
[15:58] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, I like the theme
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> I think its more or less default
[15:58] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: clean your room young man
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> but i'm using AWN on the side there
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> can't get AWN to install via debs on 12.10 at home though
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> so I installed docky
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> I don't like docky
[15:59] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: there is a dock extension that wasn't too bad
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> I'm considering compiling awn
[15:59] <wrst> if it isn't broken :)
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> one thing that I can't get to work on here is conky
[15:59] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, try cairo-dock
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> it does strange things
[15:59] <chris4585> I thought awn was the golden child until I tried cairo...
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> I used cairo-dock back in the day, and awn beat it out
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> but then again, AWN isn't being maintained now
[15:59] <chris4585> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdeebtOzIS1r1lde1o1_1280.jpg
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> so cairo may be king
[16:00] <chris4585> cairo is basically compiz of the docks...
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> what sort of mouse-over animations does it provide?
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> nice looking desktop
[16:00] <wrst> cairo-dock is cool!
[16:00] <chris4585> fire, 3d cube, stairs, uh a few others I don't remember
[16:00] <chris4585> zoom
[16:01] <wrst> i used it back in my expirmentation days
[16:01] <wrst> that's with desktops not drugs
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> I use a little bounce/squish animation on mine that works really nicely and smoothly
[16:01] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, thanks, when I take a screenshot I try to make an art form lol
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: lol
[16:01] <chris4585> wrst, you funny
[16:01] <wrst> chris4585: at least you clean up before you take a screen shot
[16:01]  * wrst eyes xTEMPLARx
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> so what are you using there?  that's not gnome shell is it?
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  my desktop is covered with UTILITY.  there's nothing to clean up
[16:02] <chris4585> nope, just my openbox with cairo-dock, nautilus and conky
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> ah openbox
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> openbox is pretty useful
[16:02] <chris4585> honestly its too simple and it just works
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> fast and basic without being so basic that it hurts
[16:03] <chris4585> yeah
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> I cannot argue against it
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> :)
[16:03] <wrst> that looks really nice chris4585
[16:03] <chris4585> wrst, thanks :)
[16:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i can always argue... now I'm not always effective
[16:03] <chris4585> lol
[16:04] <wrst> chris4585:  very osx 'ish looking also no offense intended :)
[16:04] <wrst> i mean that in a good way
[16:04] <chris4585> none taken, I even tried to do that sort of, http://chris4585.tumblr.com/post/33882118393/normally-i-have-icons-and-stuff-but-i-killed
[16:05] <chris4585> os x does look nice...
[16:05] <chris4585> I think that ^ was with awn though
[16:05] <wrst> yeah chris4585 i just find using it is a little bit limiting, no right click irritates me
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> You've inspired me... i'm shrinking the size of my awn bar so it's not so geriatric
[16:05] <wrst> unless you use a non apple mouse
[16:06] <chris4585> lol
[16:06] <chris4585> wrst, I think you can right click if you hold down a button on the keyboard or something
[16:06] <wrst> chris4585: you can but thats lame
[16:06] <xTEMPLARx> my awn bar was kinda like this:  http://bit.ly/QsFLZ3
[16:06] <chris4585> when I found out... I was like, but why not just use a mouse with two buttons?
[16:06] <wrst> especially on a 1500 buck laptop
[16:07] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, that looks like a phone
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> my little pony, eh?
[16:07] <chris4585> lol?
[16:07] <wrst> my wife however loves her macbook, her iphone her ipad her ipod etc etc
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> i'm confused
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> that is a phone
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> but look how huge the buttons are
[16:07] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, yes
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> its for old people who can't see too good
[16:07] <wrst> your awn bar looks like a phone?
[16:07] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, oh lol gotcha
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> <------ old people who can't see too good
[16:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you are over 40 i suppose that qualifies you ;)
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> next I'm gonna get me one of those metal horns to hear with
[16:08] <wrst> ha ha
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> but I'll have to get two so I can still get good stereo separation
[16:08] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, I honestly thought my bar was huge, I think I normally make it about 40 - 56px
[16:08] <chris4585> or something like that
[16:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: too much loud music?
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  pretty much
[16:09] <wrst> at least it was worth it
[16:09] <xTEMPLARx> now see you guys aren't doing much for my productivity
[16:09] <xTEMPLARx> now I'm all scheming on how I can change my layout
[16:09] <wrst> i'm not helping mine either
[16:09] <chris4585> I should be asleep
[16:10] <chris4585> lol
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  it kinda was.  my hearing loss is mainly in my right ear, so I can still hear my boy loud and clear in the left ear
[16:10] <wrst> ha ha
[16:11] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i have been spending all my wasted time messing with my phone just got into cyanogenmod
[16:11] <xTEMPLARx> oh nooooes
[16:11] <xTEMPLARx> having fun with it?
[16:12] <wrst> yes I love it, hav ea samsung galaxy s3 and its a much better phoen without the samsung touchwhiz stuff
[16:13] <wrst> but i'm still an awful speller !
[16:13] <chris4585> wrst, I wish I had one...
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  does your cell provider not care if you monkey around?
[16:13] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: oh i'm sure they do since i voided the warranty and unlocked the bootloader
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> know what would be good fun?  if someone would port android to the iphone
[16:13] <wrst> its verizon, aka the great satan of the phone industry
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> to replace iOS, that is
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> I consider AT&T to fill that role, wrst
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> verizon has great coverage
[16:14] <wrst> ha ha
[16:14] <chris4585> so do I
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> and decent service
[16:14] <chris4585> AT&T is evil
[16:14] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: they do but they are lacking in customer service
[16:14] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my wife got an iphone5
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> they must have gone downhill since I was with'em
[16:14] <chris4585> okay guys, bed time
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> how's she likin' it?
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> sleep well, sir
[16:15] <wrst> she likes it but she really likes iStuff
[16:15] <wrst> a little too limiting for my taste
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> well, as it pertains to my ipad and phone, limiting is a welcome environment
[16:16] <xTEMPLARx> less worry about villains from without trying to get into'em
[16:18] <wrst> well i'm sure that i don't have anything "calling home" now
[16:19] <wrst> and with CM you can do all sorts of things to lock your phone if you want
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> oh I'm sure
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> I guess that's just a device I want to just work and be what it is, rather than tinker with
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> maybe I'm getting old
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> honestly, though, its been a refreshing experience as a tool
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> the ipad anyway
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> that doesn't mean I'd want my desktop to be anything remotely like that
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> it still needs to be my little sandbox
[16:27] <xTEMPLARx> brb
[16:31] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: no i certainly get that and I think the devices are very good, just one of those, not for me things
[16:33] <xTEMPLARx> installing openbox for tinkering
[16:34] <wrst> that's more serious tinkering than cyanogenmod on my phone xTEMPLARx :)
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> not really
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> openbox is pretty good, and still functional
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> plus, all my core software I need to access should still work there
[16:34] <wrst> could spend a lot more time with it
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> so if an emergency arises here, I won't be dead in the water
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> is there a CLI client for quassel?
[16:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ohh i only pull in well proven stuff on my phone i trust them more than i trust OTA updates from verizon
[16:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: not that I know of, i have seen it discussed but have a nice client on my phone
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> well the one thing you can trust verizon to do is lock features out and keep you from fully utilizing your phone
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> even on my limited old LG ENV2 I had, they locked stuff out... really, verizon?  the phone only does like 4 things
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> wonder how big a footprint (diskspace-wise) kde takes up these days
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> of course, if I have to ask, I probably can't afford it, right?
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> brb again
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> in openbox now
[16:41] <xTEMPLARx> methinks they are making it too difficult to change the background
[16:41] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:43] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: footprint of kde and gnome i don't think are much different
[16:43] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: long time no see!
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> lol thanks wrst
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> I'm actually in here because of a class about linguisttics :-p
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> *linguistics
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> hurray analyzing the way that we talk on the internet
[16:44] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: are you bored? :)
[16:44] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: lol no, I'm opening up the logs adn we're talking about the differences in Internet communications
[16:44] <RagnarokAngel> the conventions of informal email vs chat vs formal email
[16:44] <wrst> ahh well we are an interesting bunch here
[16:44] <wrst> i always view formal emial like a letter
[16:44] <xTEMPLARx> \/\/|-|47'5 \/\/|20|\|G w17h |-| w3 741K?
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> |-|0w
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> *
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> hah
[16:46] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ?
[16:46] <xTEMPLARx> still can't figure out how to put up an image as my desktop background
[16:46] <wrst> take it there isn't a right click change background option :)
[16:46] <xTEMPLARx> not at all
[16:48] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: yeah, we're talking about a linguists assumptions about email in 2006 vs reality of 2012
[16:48] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i'm thinking that it is much less formal now?
[16:49] <xTEMPLARx> argh!
[16:49] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: actually, moreso.
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> all our informal convo is moving to other platforms
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> like here
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> or facebook/twitter/insert your favorite trendy social media
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> difficulty in classifying chat vs email as well
[16:51] <wrst> ahh that makes sense RagnarokAngel, perfect sense, email is the new sending a letter
[16:51] <wrst> ?
[16:54] <RagnarokAngel> it's the new professional communication :-p
[16:54] <RagnarokAngel> sending a letter is usu going to be on facebook now tbh
[16:55] <RagnarokAngel> at least for most people collegiate aged or younger
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> which is scary, imo, as it gives an awful lot of power to FB
[17:05] <xTEMPLARx> no patience to figure out openbox atm
[17:05] <xTEMPLARx> back in gnome
[17:06] <xTEMPLARx> I did do some much-needed scaling, though, so it feels as though I have more room now
[17:08] <wrst> looks like one of those things you spend a weekend on xTEMPLARx
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> probably so
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> it'd be nice, then, if, once you're done with your setup, you can save a block of files/settings so that you could quickly duplicate that setup on another machine
[17:08] <wrst> then i wouldn't backup my home directory and lose all the settings when i do something foolish
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> i'm sure you can
[17:09] <wrst> surely there is a .openbox folder or soemthing?
[17:09] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: what should i go get for lunch?
[17:09] <xTEMPLARx> what's close to you?
[17:10] <wrst> not much
[17:11] <wrst> dairy queen, burger king you know those two should get married, anyway hardees and subway nothing that is local that is good really
[17:13] <xTEMPLARx> better enjoy dairy queen while you still can
[17:13] <xTEMPLARx> you'll miss it once it's gone
[17:14] <xTEMPLARx> all of the dairy queens from our area are gone
[17:14] <xTEMPLARx> none in loudon, blount or knox counties, and even gone outa roane county I believe
[17:14] <xTEMPLARx> no blizzards
[17:15] <xTEMPLARx> no GOOD dip cones
[17:15]  * xTEMPLARx cries
[17:15] <wrst> really xTEMPLARx, seems to be going strong here
[17:16] <xTEMPLARx> glad to hear they didn't just disappear
[17:17] <wrst> no had a blizzard last week
[17:17] <xTEMPLARx> take it back, I just discovered two locations in knoxville, both of which are too far from me
[18:07] <wrst> subway salad for me today, but the cookies probably ruined the salad effect xTEMPLARx
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> don't think of it that way
[18:09] <xTEMPLARx> think of it as the salad paved the way for the possibility of the cookies
[18:11] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: that sounds like my type of thinking
[18:11] <wrst> my fatty fat fat thinking :)


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[18:57]  * enyc asked in #ubuntu-bugs about the general screen-corruption not able to track down to package yet........