[00:04] <rick_h__> ok, funny: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/video-obamas-beast-car-gets-stuck-on-ramp-in-dublin/10204
[00:25] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, those cars are heavy as hell
[00:26] <snap-l> they had to make special arrangements to park over at Hope College when George Senior came to speak
[02:19] <jrwren> anyone ever use xmlrpc cmdline?  http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/doc/#xmlrpc
[14:12] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:13] <rick_h__> morning
[14:14] <snap-l> I was thinking of upgrading to Natty today, but with the machine revolt I have on my hands, that doesn't seem prudent.
[14:16] <greg-g> snap-l: I think I'd wait a day or two if I were you :)
[14:16] <rick_h__> revolt!
[14:16] <snap-l> yeah, that would be a good call.
[14:16] <snap-l> Well, my machine this morning was thrashing about
[14:16] <snap-l> apparently it had a page fault around 1am
[14:17] <snap-l> and that set everything into hell
[14:17] <snap-l> Not sure how one fills up 8GB on a desktop machine, but there we are.
[14:17] <snap-l> I think Miro might be to blame for that one
[14:17] <brousch> 1000 simultaneous tabs open with animated furrypr0n
[14:18] <snap-l> And then Microsoft Communicator crashed when I logged into work
[14:18] <snap-l> so I think my best bet would be to not upgrade today.
[14:18] <snap-l> Just feels like a recipe for failure.
[14:19] <snap-l> brousch: Maybe that's how you fill up memory on your machine
[14:19] <snap-l> but not here. ;)
[14:19] <brousch> oops
[14:20] <greg-g> brousch: you have a windows machine also, or in a vm?
[14:20] <greg-g> erm, snap-l ^
[14:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Separate work machine
[14:22] <brousch> i have a winxp vm
[14:22] <brousch> and a winxp desktop at work
[14:23] <snap-l> I have XP n a VM, but it's only because I was setting it up for JoDee, and moved it to her machine
[14:26] <greg-g> gotcha, I've just been running it in a vm on my laptop as needed. Luckily I don't need to use Office Communicator all the time
[14:27] <snap-l> yeah, unfortunately it's our IM of choice for work
[14:27] <greg-g> yeah, I think we have the option here, but I don't know who actually uses it instead of gtalk
[14:27] <snap-l> So, not a question of wanting to use it, as much as having to use it.
[14:27] <greg-g> right right
[14:28] <snap-l> greg-g: I'd check the closets of those who use it willingly for gimp masks and whips.
[14:29] <snap-l> Oh dear god.
[14:29] <snap-l> Just visited a corporate page that looks like 1998
[14:29] <snap-l> edit_prop.gif
[14:30] <snap-l> tables and everything
[14:31] <brousch> get off my web site!
[14:31] <jrwren> anyone know LVM well enough to recreate waht synology is doing with it with their hybrid raid setup?
[14:32] <snap-l> jrwren: what what what?
[14:35] <wolfger> what's wrong with tables?
[14:35] <wolfger> Nothing.
[14:35] <wolfger> :-p
[14:36] <snap-l> wolfger: when combined with .gif files that look like they came out of the same program that everyone used to make fancy buttons? Everything.
[14:36] <wolfger> Also: upgrading to Natty, snap-l? Don't you mean "upgrading to Oneiric"? Natty's old.  ;-)
[14:37] <snap-l> wolfger: You're right. What was I thinking?
[14:37] <snap-l> Stable system? Pshaw.
[14:37] <wolfger> As a prominent LoCo member, you should be alpha-testing
[14:37] <wolfger> :-)
[14:37] <snap-l> wolfger: No, you're right.
[14:38] <snap-l> Hand me your machine. I'll alpha test there. ;
[14:38] <wolfger> :-p[
[14:38] <wolfger> I'll be doing my own alpha testing on my machine, tyvm
[14:39] <snap-l> You'll do no such thing. You'll wait for the beta like everyone else. ;)
[14:39] <wolfger> was going to upgrade last night, actually, but wifi issues struck me again and ticked me off
[14:39] <snap-l> and then bitch when your wireless card tells you to stick it where the sun don't shune.
[14:39] <wolfger> :-)
[14:39] <wolfger> my wireless constantly tells me that anyway
[14:39] <wolfger> so upgrading makes perfect sense
[14:40] <wolfger> I'm hoping that by running alpha, I might actually get working wifi
[14:40] <wolfger> and if I don't.... no worse than stable :-p
[14:41] <snap-l> heh
[14:41] <wolfger> and I'm booting KDE to the curb again, too. Installed it at penguicon and it's rubbish
[14:42] <wolfger> Krashy McKrasherton is KDE's new name
[14:42] <snap-l> Ugh, that sucks,
[14:42] <wolfger> Kept trying to recognize my mouse as a display
[14:42] <jjesse> wolfger lots of crashes?  natty runs fine for me on kde
[14:43] <wolfger> because it was plugged into a hybrid port
[14:44] <snap-l> That's funky.
[14:44] <snap-l> What's a hybrid port? Something that can handle both USB and video?
[14:44] <wolfger> tell me about it
[14:45] <wolfger> "oh, somethings plugged in to your eSATA/USB port. It must be a monitor! Let me recognize it and bug you about which display you wish to use with a pop-up dialog box!"
[14:45] <wolfger> Until I instructed the box to never appear again, I was getting like 20-30 of them at a time.
[14:45] <jrwren> snap-l: synology is jst a custom linux with LVM. They have really nice wizards and stuff that basically let you add storage adhoc and let a single partition just keep growing, and get some redundancy.http://serverfault.com/questions/272776/how-to-do-the-equivalent-of-synology-hybrid-raid-on-linux-myself
[14:46] <snap-l> That's really funky. I've never heard of the hybrid port, but it's a neat idea.
[14:46] <wolfger> I suppose it is.
[14:46] <snap-l> jrwren: Ah, kind of like Drobo's filesystem.
[14:47] <jrwren> is it?
[14:47] <wolfger> but I'd rather have a dedicated eSATA and a 3rd dedicated USB
[14:47] <snap-l> or at least without the funky patented bits.
[14:47] <wolfger> in case I ever have a need for eSATA
[14:47] <snap-l> jrwren: http://arstechnica.com/business/raising-your-tech-iq/2011/03/drobo-review-1.ars
[14:48] <jrwren> drobo is slow as shit though :(
[14:49] <jrwren> snap-l: the end result appears like drobo's fs, but the means to achieve it are suggested to be very different in the synology
[14:49] <snap-l> Yeah, no doubt.
[15:23] <brousch> greg-g: who is this female you're referring me to that can help find more females?
[15:27] <greg-g> brousch: he isn't female :) Asheesh is an awesome developer I met when I was an intern at CC back in 2008. He's working on increasing the involvement of women in FLOSS in boston/philly
[15:27] <greg-g> jcastro would vouch for asheesh as well
[15:27] <brousch> heh
[15:29] <brousch> there are very few female geeks in grand rapids
[15:29] <brousch> i've really only met 3 women who use linux
[15:29] <greg-g> start reproducing
[15:29] <greg-g> well, for you, continue
[15:29] <brousch> i tried that, it came out a boy :P
[15:29] <greg-g> hehe
[15:32] <brousch> i don't usually try to actively find more women for the groups. i do make sure they don't have any sexist problems when they come
[15:32]  * greg-g nods
[15:42] <snap-l> Marry a physics geek, then you can turn them into a FLOSS geek. :)
[15:42] <snap-l> i do love all of the amateur sociology that occurs in these types of discussions
[15:43] <snap-l> It's like the female is a separate species.
[15:43] <brousch> she is, strange and mysterious. prone to fits of hysteria
[15:46] <greg-g> brousch: "i do make sure they don't have any sexist problems when they come"
[15:46] <greg-g> :P
[15:46] <krondor> aye, I was once yelled at by my SO one day because she found herself telling coworkers about Linux and understanding computer conversations.    I can't even describe the dinner conversations...
[15:50] <snap-l> And then the guy started to ... [I'm SAILING a-way!!!!]
[15:51] <snap-l> and then ... [SET AN OPEN COURSE FO THE VIRGIN SEA]
[15:51] <krondor> hmm, rstat.us licensed with WTFPL a new license to me which pretty much reads exactly as you would think it would; https://github.com/hotsh/rstat.us/raw/be79740ed0f19b3a02e15dbcdbbdb8ca36509819/LICENSE
[15:52] <snap-l> heh
[15:52] <brousch> krondor: what does the detroit android group cover?
[15:54] <_stink_> snap-l++
[15:55] <krondor> brousch:  it's really broad right now.  Just trying to get android interested people in the same room regularly.  There's a couple guys that wanted to talk android dev, some want to talk hacks, some want just to talk phones/apps/tips
[15:56] <brousch> i'm thinking of starting one in GR
[15:56] <brousch> i should act soon while the grwebdev mobile dev meeting is fresh in people's minds
[15:56] <krondor> the attendance to the first one wasn't that great, but it wasn't posted that far in advance.  I think we had 6 people?  Hoping this is a bit larger.
[15:57] <brousch> the gr java group usually has 5 attendees. they had an andrid meeting and there were like 25 people
[15:58] <krondor> wow that's pretty large, I was hoping eventually it might hit the teens and I'd be happy
[15:59] <brousch> i was really surprised
[15:59] <brousch> but then we're dutch over here, and android is cheap
[16:01] <brousch> grandroid is a good name
[16:14]  * wolfger pictures a bunch of senior citizens with Android phones...
[16:15] <brousch> nice
[16:15] <brousch> not grand-pa grand-roid
[16:16] <brousch> wait, that is even worse
[16:18] <_stink_> grandpa's-hemorrhoids -> grandrhoid!
[16:21] <greg-g> oh lord
[16:21] <wolfger> yeah, I also pondered the grand 'roid path...
[16:24] <snap-l> Gr'android.
[16:24] <snap-l> There's something good in there, but I'm not seeing it at the moment.
[16:24] <snap-l> GRAndroid
[16:26] <brousch> jjesse: what do you think, is grandroid a large hemorrhoid, your grandpa's hemorrhoid, or the grand rapids android development group?
[16:26] <jjesse> lol
[16:26] <jjesse> grand rapids android group?
[16:27] <jjesse> no idea for sure though
[16:50] <rick_h__> I need a new job, the stupid here is getting depressing
[16:51] <jrwren> :(
[16:51] <jrwren> didn't you just move there?
[16:51] <jrwren> I think a software engineers job is dealing with teh stupid. its the biggest part of the job.
[16:52] <rick_h__> yea, a little over a year
[16:52] <rick_h__> the problem is I was brought in to help fix the stupid I guess, and over the last year I've managed to exact 5% of the change planned/hoped for
[16:53] <jrwren> is it a big org?
[16:53] <rick_h__> the motivation for self and project improvement is just at such a detrimental low
[16:53] <rick_h__> meh, 100-200 employees, dev team is 5 of us
[16:53] <rick_h__> be everyone is put on their project islnads and no cross talk/etc
[16:53] <brousch> the rest of the team is the issue?
[16:53] <rick_h__> makes it near impossible to help upgrade the rest of the team
[16:54] <rick_h__> so code never gets better, same stupid problems still exist, and the lack of motivatin on everyone's part to *fix* things is just not there
[16:54] <rick_h__> "why should I learn more about python to speed up my data load that takes 8 hours to run?"
[16:54] <jrwren> so no working together with the other 4?
[16:54] <rick_h__> "Rather than fix my project's architecture I'd rather have my own git server so I can create a new project each time we need an installation of one"
[16:55] <jrwren> sounds pretty defective. Its hard to steer teams into effectiveness
[16:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: no, most iteraction is an hour a week during team meeting where I toss out links, examples, etc
[16:55] <rick_h__> but no one ever reads, revisits, etc
[16:55] <jrwren> ouch.
[16:55] <rick_h__> at one point 3mo ago talked the boss into letting me pair with other devs 1 day a week
[16:55] <rick_h__> it's not once happened in those 3mo
[16:55] <jrwren> you should just do it.
[16:56] <rick_h__> yea, but when you try you get the "no time for that" every time for months on end
[16:56] <jrwren> taht isn't even a valid answer.
[16:56] <jrwren> it takes no time.
[16:57] <rick_h__> heh, welcome to my world
[16:57] <jrwren> you will be working on the same thing as if you weren't paring.
[16:57] <rick_h__> half the stuff I've even rewrote code for them
[16:57] <rick_h__> but never gets integrated/read through
[16:57] <rick_h__> and if I do get my redone code into their project, it does no good, they've not learned anything
[16:57] <rick_h__> never look at it again
[16:57] <rick_h__> there's a lack of will/incentive I guess
[16:57] <brousch> have you discussed this with your boss?
[16:58] <rick_h__> well, discussed the lack of progress
[16:58] <rick_h__> thus the pairing stuff, but no, not that it's getting to the point that I just worry about my project and build myself my own island
[16:58] <rick_h__> and that's why I'm debating starting looking again.
[16:58] <jrwren> you can't help those who don't want to learn.
[16:58] <jrwren> that is why I let my last job.
[16:58] <rick_h__> I don't want to just make myself an island with my way of doing things and sticking through it
[16:59] <rick_h__> yea, exactly. I know I'm bit of a glutton for punishment on that learning side
[16:59] <rick_h__> but geeze, one year later and most of the testing, build server, automating, is all stuff I wrote
[17:00] <rick_h__> eventually it'd be nice to get a chance to use code someone else wrote to fix a problem vs getting brought in to fix someone's problem lol
[17:01] <rick_h__> meh, sorry, just ranting. Had a staff meeting today and people still complaining about same issues they had 6mo ago that I gave instructions on how to correct
[17:17] <jrwren> oh the woes of being top dog
[17:18] <jrwren> the real bummer about being top dog like that is the learning is all on you. you don't get to learn from others.
[17:19] <jrwren> or even if your peers were equals you could converse adn learn, but it sounds like they aren't capable enough to even be your peer.
[17:19] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, I read stuff like the 'in the plex' and you see a lot out of these startups with very smart people and crave to work with people that know more than me
[17:20] <rick_h__> fortunately, I'm nuts with learning/trying new stuff, but still, sometimes guidance from an experienced "been there/done that" would be awesome
[17:22] <jrwren> yup
[17:22] <jrwren> or even just someone who is on teh same page as you.
[17:22] <jrwren> problem is... going and joining a startup is usually a pay cut
[17:22] <jrwren> so... priorities
[17:22] <rick_h__> well yea, and kid, etc
[17:23] <rick_h__> I've got cushy where I work from home, do more time with the kid
[17:23] <rick_h__> the wife's the doc that works all the hours
[17:23] <rick_h__> yea, oh well, eventually figure something out. No job is permanent as I've learned
[17:31] <rick_h__> https://twitter.com/#!/niallohiggins/status/73063263386083328 discuss
[17:38] <wolfger> "corp firewall sucks" is the extent of my discussion on any Twitter link
[17:39] <rick_h__> ouch
[17:39] <rick_h__> "database is the last thing that is going to be fixed in the cloud" - so true, I/O on EC2 and friends is just awful today. #MongoSF
[17:40] <rick_h__> oops, wrong one
[17:40] <rick_h__> "caches are a workaround for databases that aren't fast enough" -- Dwight Merriman, @mongodb #MongoSF
[17:40] <rick_h__> ^^ is the one I found interesting
[17:43] <wolfger> I'll comment on the wrong one first.... Last thing going to be fixed, but first thing that needs to be. :-p
[17:45] <wolfger> Cache.... I don't think cache is a workaround. Cache is a tool. A smart one, that should be used regardless of whether your database is "fast enough" or not.
[17:47] <snap-l> Those MongoDB guys are so cheeky
[17:48] <snap-l> thinking they have the silver bullet
[17:48] <wolfger> ...unless your db needs are so ridiculously lean that cache is overkill, that is
[17:48] <snap-l> Well, they have a point, to a certain extent
[17:48] <snap-l> MongoDB is really fast at the database level
[17:49] <snap-l> So it could obviate the need for things like Memcache
[17:51] <snap-l> I can't give a concrete example of why I feel that statement is wrong, but it just feels wrong to make an absolute statement like that.
[17:51] <rick_h__> because caching is used all over the world of tech and is useful vs a sign of a problem
[17:52] <rick_h__> I mean sure, a CDN is a sign that you don't have ms response time from NYC to SF
[17:52] <rick_h__> but it doesn't mean it's bad
[17:52] <snap-l> rick_h__: I think you nailed what I'm thinking
[17:53] <rick_h__> and even with mongodb, what's an index but a cache of data?
[17:53] <rick_h__> it's a stupid statement meant to inflame people at a conference about a tool that wants to sell itself as pure awesome in a jar
[17:53] <snap-l> bingo
[17:53] <rick_h__> in my ever so humble opinion :)
[17:54] <snap-l> That's what puts me off on MongoDB, that arrogance
[17:55] <snap-l> Pretty sure if you turned off all of the bits ensuring that your data is safely written to disk, you could achieve blistering performance.
[17:55] <snap-l> ... with just about any DB.
[17:55] <snap-l> At least I can be pretty sure with PostgreSQL that the data is somewhere.
[17:56] <rick_h__> you can always work at near the performance of youd disk
[17:56] <rick_h__> /youd/your
[17:56] <snap-l> and believe me, I've seen PostgreSQL in very unhappy states
[18:02] <binbrain> and, for those of that haven't seen, take a moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
[18:02] <snap-l> binbrain: Seriously? :)
[18:03] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GpOfwbFRcs
[18:04] <binbrain> "I suggest you pipe your data to /dev/null, it will be very fast"
[18:04] <binbrain> lol
[18:08] <snap-l> "How the hell do software developers get groupies?"
 Used to be "Democracy" a long time ago
[18:26] <wolfger> I absolutely love it for the NASA videos
[18:27] <brousch> i love it for pycon videos
[18:52] <jrwren> meego 1.2 released 4 days ago... also... i like turtles.
[18:59] <wolfger> wheaton!
[19:01] <rick_h__> ok, this node.js is going to do some cool stuff I think
[19:01] <jrwren> node as in node?
[19:01] <rick_h__> node as in the js server side framework
[19:02] <rick_h__> peeking at using it do replace a dns/email checking service we run
[19:03] <brousch> jrwren: meego is bleh
[19:03] <jrwren> that is what I was saying. :)
[19:03] <jrwren> yeah, node is pretty damned cool.
[19:03] <brousch> turtles are cool
[19:04] <rick_h__> for stuff like this, dns checks, with lots of time spent in i/o, can really crank the req/s
[19:04] <rick_h__> throw the concurrent connections at it
[19:06] <brousch> js is finally taking over the serverside too?
[19:07] <rick_h__> yea, working on it in some cases
[19:09] <brousch> damnit, i'm finally getting ok at python
[19:12] <rick_h__> well it's not replacing all python, but for this one off corner server thing I think it'll be good/cool
[19:23] <jrwren> as long as it is blocking IO :)
[19:23] <jrwren> you can't magically speed up disks :)
[19:23] <brousch> greg-g: do we need to do anything for this? http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/18/re-approvals-for-o-cycle-rules-and-overview/
[19:24] <greg-g> brousch: yeah
[19:24] <greg-g> I've been swamped lately and haven't gotten to it at night, I need to solicit some help with writing some team reports
[19:25] <brousch> email it to the list
[19:25] <brousch> we'll crowd-source that crap ;)
[19:26] <greg-g> heck yeah, will do
[19:32] <brousch> this looks like something i should read http://www.aosabook.org/en/index.html
[19:33] <rick_h__> it sounds interesting
[19:33] <rick_h__> but more as a light 'for fun' read I think
[19:35] <snap-l> I added that to the next IRC meeting (the team reports, reapproval, etc)
[19:36] <brousch> i am really poor at overall organization
[19:36] <greg-g> snap-l: thanks
[19:36] <snap-l> I'm not great at it either. :)
[21:40] <rick_h__> woot! got sign off to keep working on this as a node.js project
[21:41] <brousch> did they groan?
[21:41] <brousch> more new technology?
[21:42] <rick_h__> yea, there was some of that
[21:42] <rick_h__> and he got taking it too far "well, but what about this app and that app"
[21:42] <rick_h__> but I kept it down "for this use case, it's the best answer."


[11:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2728](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2728): Reinstate the c++ style guide
[11:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2727](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2727): Mir C++ Style Guide Missing
[14:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #248](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/248): c++20
[15:03] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #249](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/249): Update series we build in ci & ppa
[16:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #114](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/114): Drop unnecessary content attribute... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fa5fcaa328a3c4f88ef30f33c7e100ce73f0d4ab>)
[23:07] <RAOF> Good thing there are spare Chromebooks in the house. I'm an expert at checking whether I have my keys just as the locked office door goes click.


[16:08] <cr3> hi folks, I'm running the mtdev-test command on /dev/input/event$NUM for a few systems where two finger scrolling works, but the command returns: could not grab device
[16:11] <dandrader> cr3, that's because the xserver open those files in exclusive mode
[16:11] <dandrader> cr3, you have to issue those commands from a virtual terminal
[16:11] <dandrader> e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F1
[16:13] <cr3> dandrader: thanks, should this page be updated accordingly? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Testing/CheckingMTDevice
[16:14] <dandrader> cr3, yeah
[16:24] <cr3> is there a way to listen for multitouch activity, preferably not in a virtual terminal
[16:26] <dandrader> cr3, yes, from xserver instead of from evdev files
[16:26] <dandrader> via the XInput2 protocol
[16:26] <dandrader> there's a terminal tool for that
[16:26] <dandrader> xinput test-xi2 <device>
[16:31] <cr3> dandrader: thanks, I'll look into that!


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[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137851 in strigi (main) "strigi 5.5-2 segfaults on m3u files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137851
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137852 in python-apt (main) "package python-apt <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137852
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137853 in totem (main) "Bad noises instead of music when playing music cd or AVI music file " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137853
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137854 in vim (main) "vim-gnome window does not resize correctly when opening the 1st tab" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137854
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137855 in lybniz (universe) "lybniz is sorted into the wrong category" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137855
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137857 in gtk+2.0 (main) "(gutsy) gtkbuttons not responding after disabled/enabled cycle" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137857
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137858 in dante (universe) "Error on installing dante-server package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137858
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137859 in samba (main) "winbind cache does not work on 3.0.25b-1" [Critical,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137859
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137861 in restricted-manager (restricted) "Restricted-manager has no respository information on first boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137861
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137862 in moto4lin (universe) "moto4lin does not set the USB permission properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137862
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137863 in moto4lin (universe) "moto4lin use the wrong device by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137863
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137864 in texlive-bin (main) "[GutsyGibbon]  texlive-metapost can not compile metauml files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137864
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137865 in ubuntu "Unable to connect to speedstream 6300 router?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137865
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137866 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin irrevocably turns off IBM T40 radio" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137866
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137867 in firefox (main) "firefox crash when selecting the "Save Link As" menu item" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137867
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137868 in ubuntu "404 / not found errors in repository" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137868
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137870 in avscan (universe) "[UVFe Sync Request]  avscan 3.2.1-openssl-2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137870
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137872 in gparted (main) "please add support for ext4 in gparted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137872
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137873 in tracker (main) "tracker-search-tool reports no result" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137873
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137874 in evince (main) "Incorrect rendering of PDF in evince" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137874
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137875 in sshfs-fuse (universe) "symbolic links on remote disk do not work in sshfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137875
[05:42] <ubotu> New bug: #137876 in debconf (main) "applying updates to system" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137876
[05:48] <ubotu> New bug: #137879 in serpentine (main) "Plugsuspend crashes in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137879
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137882 in gnome-panel (main) "wine doesn't completely enable programs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137882
[06:44] <ubotu> New bug: #137885 in wine (universe) "[FTBFS]  Gutsy Wine not in repository; 64-bit failed to build" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137885
[06:50] <thekorn> good morning
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hi thekorn
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137887 in bug-buddy (main) "Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/...(13 Permission Denied)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137887
[07:01] <thekorn> hey Hobbsee
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137896 in dh-make-php (universe) "Please sync dh-make-php (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137896
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137897 in dict-elements (universe) "Please sync dict-elements (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137897
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137898 in python-launchpad-bugs (main) "[testbug]  please ignore" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137898
[08:02] <gary4gar> Genrally in what time frame bugs are solved after reporting them to bugzilla?
[08:02] <gary4gar> oops i mean generally !
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137899 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Uninstallable on gutsy currently" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137899
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137900 in ubuntu "[testbug]  please ignore" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137900
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137901 in pilot-link (main) "libpisock9 suggests obsolete sylpheed-claws and sylpheed-claws-gtk2 packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137901
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137903 in mplayer "Total system freeze when watch video only" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137903
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137904 in gnome-panel (main) "In Gutsy Tribe 5 the workspace switcher shows 2 workspaces with no option spinner to change number of workspaces." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137904
[08:32] <Ornedan> After upgrading my machine's main memory from 2G to 4G, hibernate stopped working
[08:34] <Ornedan> At first, I thought hibernate might be storing the data in swap space, of which I originally had only 3.8G. However, after raising the size of the swap partition to 5.1G, hibernate still doesn't work
[08:36] <Ornedan> Definition of 'doesn't work' in this case: The hibernation process gets to the point of shutting down the screen. But not as far as eventually turning the power off. It also doesn't seem to actually write anything to disk
[08:39] <Ornedan> What script / program controls the hibernation process?
[09:01] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137908 in gscan2pdf (universe) "gscan2pdf 0.9.16-1 in Debian. Please sync" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137908
[09:17] <thekorn> hi dholbach
[09:17] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[09:21] <dholbach> thekorn: Bug.New()?
[09:22] <dholbach> this is exactly what I needed :-))))))
[09:22] <thekorn> :-)
[09:23] <thekorn> i hope it works
[09:23] <dholbach> thekorn: I hope we will meet soon, so I can give you out beers :-)
[09:23] <thekorn> yuhu
[09:24] <dholbach> do you think it'd be possible to get the number of the bug report back?
[09:24] <dholbach> oh, you do return a Bug() object
[09:24] <dholbach> awesome
[09:24] <thekorn> it returns a Bug object
[09:24] <dholbach> AWESOME
[09:24] <dholbach> kick ass
[09:24] <dholbach> I'll try it out and upload it
[09:25] <thekorn> please commit the new libxml2 issue patch before uploading
[09:25] <dholbach> alright-o
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137909 in libobjc-lf2 (universe) "FTBFS on ia64 and lpia" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137909
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137911 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "qla1280 module missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137911
[09:42] <dholbach> thekorn: I'll upload the patch for now and will do more testing of it during hacking it into the upload tool
[09:43] <thekorn> super
[09:43] <dholbach> you ROCK
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137912 in ubuntu "generalbug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137912
[10:00] <kagou> Good morning
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137913 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[gutsy]  gnome-power-manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137913
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137915 in xubuntu-meta (main) "xubuntu-desktop wants to install mono/gnome overhead" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137915
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137916 in ubuntu "CONFIG_NO_HZ" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137916
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137917 in vim (main) "vim c syntax does not support ansi anonymous array" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137917
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137918 in apache2 (main) "Owner of /var/lock/apache2 wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137918
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137920 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "sun-java6-jre does not contain the java plugin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137920
[11:27] <thekorn> dholbach: processing taskfiles does not work on your server, can please remove  .bughelper/bughelper-server/tasks/
[11:27] <thekorn> i think this path was created withe the old  bzr branch  command
[11:28] <thekorn> so bughelper-server does not push the changes automatically
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137923 in ubuntu "[Gutsy]  spca5xx-source problem compiling" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137923
[11:32] <dholbach> thekorn: will do
[11:32] <dholbach> done
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137924 in ubuntu "mouse freezes while in aMSN" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137924
[11:46] <dholbach> thekorn: filing bugs works AWESOME
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137925 in firefox (main) "FFirefox crashes with 'BadShmSeg'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137925
[11:46] <dholbach> thekorn: bug 137926
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137926 in hello "Please sponsor hello 2.2-2~ppa2" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137926
[11:51] <kagou> dholbach, is it possible to have a rss of bugs opened ?
[11:51] <kagou> just he message that a bug is open. Do not want to see what' happen in it (all responses).
[11:52] <dholbach> kagou: what do you mean?
[11:52] <kagou> like ubotu  :)
[11:52] <dholbach> there's the activity log of bugs?
[11:52] <kagou> i just want to watch bugs created
[11:54] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:54] <dholbach> no, I don't know about RSS feeds for that
[11:54] <dholbach> sorry
[11:54] <kagou> ok dholbach  :)
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137926 in hello (main) "Please sponsor hello 2.2-2~ppa2" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137926
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137927 in ia32-libs (universe) "ia32-libs broken on ia64 (i386 executables cannot run)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137927
[12:03] <thekorn> dholbach: wow, this PPA thing looks good
[12:03] <dholbach> yeah
[12:04] <dholbach> I just had to type     revuput -n my-ppa -sa  :)
[12:04] <thekorn> nice
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137930 in command-not-found (main) "command-not-found interfering with some commands" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137930
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137931 in nautilus (main) "nautilus cut/paste zero length files 7.10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137931
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137933 in banshee (universe) "Please sync banshee (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137933
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137934 in xournal (universe) "Please sponsor xournal <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137934
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137935 in xournal (universe) "Please sponsor xournal <IP_ADDRESS> (dup-of: 137934)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137935
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137938 in kde4base (universe) "Gutsy: KDE4-beta2 (3.93) doesn't provide /usr/lib/kde/bin/startkde" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137938
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137939 in command-not-found (main) "errors from command-not-found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137939
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137940 in time (main) "autopkgtest gutsy time: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137940
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137943 in tofrodos (main) "autopkgtest gutsy tofrodos: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137943
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137941 in gnome-compiz-manager (universe) "I can't disable the default compliz window manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137941
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137942 in ubuntu "dist-upgrade 7sept removes syslog-ng" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137942
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137944 in xournal (universe) "[gutsy]  [regression]  pdf rendering not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137944
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137945 in ubuntu "[Sync request]  Sync request jalali-calendar 1.6.4-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137945
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137947 in ubuntu "[Sync request]  Sync request myspell-fa 0.20070816-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137947
[01:54] <pedro_> morning!
[01:54] <seb128> hey pedro_
[01:54] <pedro_> hola seb128 :-)
[01:57] <ubotu> New bug: #137948 in ubuntu "[usability]  gnome's "save file" dialogs place focus inconveniently" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137948
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137952 in firefox (main) "web pages freeze firefox?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137952
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137951 in gnome-power-manager (main) "power management applet seems very screwy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137951
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137953 in libtelepathy (universe) "[UVFe]  Please sync libtelepathy from debian (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137953
[02:20] <slytherin> Is anybody having video playing problems with ati free drivers?
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137954 in ubuntu "Ubuntu doesnt support Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137954
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137955 in telepathy-gabble (universe) "[UVFe]  Please sync telepathy-gabble from debian (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137955
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137961 in gnome-power-manager (main) "powe-manager's graph legends aren't very visible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137961
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137962 in ayttm (universe) "UVFe request for ayttm (0.5.0+10-2)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137962
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137963 in linux-meta (main) "[Gusty]  ipw3945abg does not work with 802.11b-only WLANs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137963
[02:42] <ubotu> New bug: #137960 in php5 (main) "PDO LOB Insert Loses Bytes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137960
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137968 in python2.5 (main) "Workspace Switcher 2.18.1, no "Remove Desklets" selection" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137968
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137967 in espeak (main) "UVF: request to update espeak to 1.29." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137967
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137971 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "error shown when upgrading" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137971
[03:34] <dholbach> pedro_: what's your question?
[03:35] <pedro_> ok so i've updated my local copy, and it seems that some options aren't working
[03:35] <pedro_> like --lc and --status
[03:35] <pedro_> i use bugnumbers
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137972 in gnome-power-manager (main) "brightness indicator does not work on thinkpad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137972
[03:35] <pedro_> for getting some list and go trough them
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137973 in ubuntu "MPlayer and VLC crash during DVD play" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137973
[03:37] <dholbach> pedro_:  bugnumbers --status Confirmed -p totem works nicely for me
[03:37] <dholbach> but concerning --lc I guess you're right
[03:37] <dholbach> let's see again
[03:37] <pedro_> ok cool
[03:39] <dholbach> pedro_: maybe you can file a bug about bugnumbers --lc?
[03:39] <dholbach> so it doesn't slip through the cracks
[03:40] <pedro_> dholbach: ok will do thanks :-)
[03:40] <dholbach> rock - thanks! :-)
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137977 in ubuntu "needs-packaging : thcrut" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137977
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137975 in xubuntu-default-settings (main) "xubuntu : gdm theme with face browser not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137975
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137978 in wine (universe) "Wine causes process hang in kernel when running applications from FAT partition" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137978
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137979 in totem (main) "context menu in totem firefox plugin cannot be canceled without clicking an item" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137979
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137980 in fast-user-switch-applet (universe) "fusa should respect thin clients and not offer user switching but show the logged in username" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137980
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137981 in cheese (universe) "Cheese : If two v4l devices exist there is no way to choose the correct one" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137981
[04:10] <bddebian> Boo
[04:10] <ogra> bee
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137982 in ubuntu "system get's struck when we drag any selected text in PGADMIN3 in UBUNTU" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137982
[04:15] <thekorn> oha, I see, I somehow lost the lastcomment option
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137984 in system-config-printer (main) "'Document print status' window doesn't refresh when you cancel a print job" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137984
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137986 in rhythmbox (main) "Holding down enter on a particular file causes rhythmbox to segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137986
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137987 in qdvdauthor (multiverse) "UVFe: qdvdauthor 1.0.0-RC1 from Revu fixes crashing problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137987
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137989 in network-manager-applet (main) "nm-applet crashes on "connect to other wireless network"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137989
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137990 in liferea (main) "New upstream release 1.4.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137990
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137992 in ubuntu "Microphone does not work in Xubuntu (but works in Windows)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137992
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137993 in mplayerplug-in (multiverse) "mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137993
[04:56] <thekorn> dholbach, pedro_ : I think the whole filtering of buglists is broken somehow,
[04:56] <thekorn> I will take a closer look at the code over the weekend
[04:58] <pedro_> thekorn: ah ok, thanks you for let me know about it ;-)
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137994 in unattended-upgrades (main) "Undeclared dependency on mailx" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137994
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137995 in cryopid (universe) "[Sync Request Universe]  cryopid <IP_ADDRESS>-4" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137995
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137996 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition: wrong number of workspaces" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137996
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137998 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition: sloppy-focus got changed to click-to-focus" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137998
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137999 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition enabled raise-on-click and auto-raise" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137999
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #138000 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition: open-terminal shortcut doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138000
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #138001 in totem (main) "[gutsy]  slider doesnt work properly (the slider isnt released when the mouse click is released)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138001
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138002 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition: window movement key changed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138002
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138003 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition: different workspace behavior" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138003
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138004 in compiz (main) "Metacity -> compiz transition: no obvious way to disable workspace switching animation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138004
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #138005 in ubuntu "Screen doesn't dim on Compaq Presario V3010US" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138005
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138007 in gedit (main) "package gedit 2.19.91-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: fggsgi hibk - e csomag belltatlan maradt" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138007
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138008 in ubuntu-meta (main) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.70 failed to install/upgrade: f?gg?s?gi hib?k - e csomag be?ll?tatlan maradt" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138008
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #138009 in linux-meta (main) "no display after Kernel 2.6.20-15-generic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138009
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #138010 in nautilus-sendto (main) "Nautilus-sendto suggests obsolete slypheed-claws package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138010
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #138012 in gthumb ""Cancel" and "Crop" buttons use the same shortcut key." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138012
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #138013 in ubuntu "Migration from 6.06 LTS to 8.04 LTS has to be smooth" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138013
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #138014 in gnome-applets (main) "mini_commander_applet manpage still here" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138014
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #138015 in cinepaint (universe) "Cinepaint crashes when opening preferences" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138015
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #138016 in cinepaint (universe) "Cinepaint can't open files from contextual menu in Nautilus." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138016
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #138017 in ubuntu "New Package Freeze Exception needed for qtpfsgui" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138017
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #138018 in hdapsd (universe) "hdaps module does not load on Thinkpad R61" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138018
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138020 in adept (main) "adept_manager crash munmap illegal pointer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138020
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #138025 in ubuntu "mp3 extracting problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138025
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138027 in empathy (universe) "Please merge empathy (0.12) from debian (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138027
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138028 in gnome-panel (main) "Type Mismatch" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138028
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138029 in ubuntu "Gutsy reports a different disk size than feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138029
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #138031 in ubuntu "request for taxbird/libgeier packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138031
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #138032 in git-core "Data loss problem with "git add -u"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138032
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #138034 in debian-installer (main) "[Gutsy 20070907]  alternate install on x86 fails when using LVM" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138034
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #138035 in debian-installer (main) "[Gutsy 20070907]  Option for grub2, but no package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138035
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #132130 in istanbul "istanbul crashed with AttributeError in stop_recording()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132130
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138036 in compiz (main) "[gutsy]  missing window frame/border" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138036
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138037 in evince (main) "Printing is squished with Epson Stylus Photo 790" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138037
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #138038 in tracker (main) "sqlite build depends should be >= 3.4.0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138038
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #138039 in python2.5 (main) "subprocess report PID-1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138039
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #138040 in debian-installer (main) "[Gutsy 20070907]  grub-installer fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138040
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #138041 in memtest86+ (main) "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/memtest86+_1.70-2ubuntu2_i386.deb: subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138041
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #138043 in ubuntu "[sync request]  mod-wsgi from Debian sid main" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138043
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #138044 in ubuntu "checkfs.sh chokes on loop device" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138044
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138046 in ubuntu "PATA devices not detected - Marvell IDE unknown" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138046
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #138045 in smplayer (multiverse) "smplayer needs to be splitted into 3 packagees" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138045
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138047 in pam (main) "UVFe: PAM 0.99" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138047
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138048 in ltspfs (main) "UpstreamVersionFreeze Exception request for version 0.5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138048
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138049 in audacious-plugins (universe) "[gutsy]  audacious-plugins-extra depends on timidity ?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138049
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #138051 in ubuntu "dvb driver is provided but no firmware" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138051
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #138052 in ubuntu "pbe5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138052
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #138054 in yelp (main) "computer failed to suspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138054
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138057 in kdepim (main) "Kontact's kmail does not honor IMAP message status" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138057
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #138063 in ubuntu "[gusty]  I can't edit K menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138063
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138065 in acpi-support (main) "Notebook CPU fan stays off after resuming from hibernate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138065
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138067 in gnome-system-tools "users-admin window title not HIG compliant" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138067
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138068 in gxine (main) "gxine in xubuntu refused to start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138068
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #138069 in sylpheed-claws-pgpinline-plugin (universe) "Please remove sylpheed-claws-pgpinline-plugin 0.5-3 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138069
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138071 in sylpheed-claws-maildir-plugin (universe) "Please remove sylpheed-claws-maildir-plugin 0.7-5 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138071
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #138072 in ubuntu "user switching do not work on hp nc8430 notebook" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138072
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #138073 in ubuntu "opengl games not working on hp nc8430" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138073
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #138074 in sylpheed-claws (universe) "Please remove sylpheed-claws 1.0.5-5.1 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138074
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #138075 in sylpheed-claws-themes (universe) "Please remove sylpheed-claws-themes 20060615-2 from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138075
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #138076 in update-manager (main) "adept's update-manager displays no updates available on start-up" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138076
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138077 in gpgme (universe) "Please remove gpgme 0.3.16-2 (source) and related binaries from Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138077
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #138078 in ubuntu "Support wireless USB (aka UWB)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138078
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #138080 in gnome-system-tools "services-admin window title not HIG compliant" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138080
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138081 in ubuntu "mines is totally CLUELESS" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138081
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #138082 in epiphany-extensions (main) "Hundreds of tracebacks from cc-license-viewer extension causing slow browsing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138082
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #138084 in ubuntu "[gutsy tribe 5]  Screen goes blank booting live CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138084
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #138083 in gnome-specimen (universe) "[Gutsy]  Gnome-specimen new upstream version available 0.3.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138083
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #138085 in bluez-gnome (main) "bluez-gnome menu item tooltip is not HIG compliant" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138085
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #138086 in ubuntu "Screen is blank when vga=791 is passed to the kernel unless something resets it" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138086
[11:17] <ubotu> New bug: #138087 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[gutsy tribe 5]  Changing screen resolution garbles display" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138087
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #138089 in ltsp (main) "ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138089
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #138090 in launchpad-integration (main) "'Translate this application' and 'Report a problem' links to the wrong site" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138090
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #138091 in firefox (main) "Starting firefox with parameter -profile don't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138091
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138093 in ubuntu "nvidia-glx install, black screen, crashed x" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138093
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138094 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[Gutsy]  desktop and keyboard freezes while mouse is moveable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138094
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138095 in ubuntu "[wishlist]  use /etc/env.d and env-update to generate global environment variables" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138095
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138096 in ubuntu "kubuntu feisty installer fails on previously partitioned disk" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138096
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #138097 in gnome-terminal (main) "Title doesn't update when exiting a root shell" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138097
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #138099 in linux32 (main) "linux 32 conflicts with ubuntu-minimal on amd64" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138099
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #138101 in klibido (universe) "non-anglo-saxon characters in nzb filename crashes queue" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138101
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #138102 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[Gutsy]  Closing Lid causes All Screens to Blank" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138102
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #138103 in openoffice.org (main) "replacing "ends of paragraph" (regular expression) works also out of selection" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138103


[00:18] <cjwatson> evand: are you still likely to be able to get that localechooser work merged today for a ubiquity upload? I guess we're falling off the end of your working hours now though
[00:33] <udit99> Hey guys, I need to check an assumption. If I need to ensure that a package ends up on the pool of an installer CD,
[00:33] <udit99> is it sufficient that the package is listed in the seed file that germinate takes as an input
[00:33] <udit99> ?
[00:35] <udit99> Because I have a package that is listed in the germinate seeds but does not end up on the ISO
[00:36] <cjwatson> your assumption is correct in principle
[00:36] <cjwatson> (I say in principle because obviously something is going wrong!)
[00:36] <cjwatson> check each step along the transformation path: specifically the raw germinate output, and the task files output by germinate-to-tasks
[00:37] <cjwatson> might also want to check the germinate log (I think it's saved in _germinate_output or similar) to see if it complained about the seed entry
[00:38] <hardwire> germinate eh?
[00:45] <udit99> im assuming that germinate logs to the cdimage logs too...will check there
[00:46] <cjwatson> no, it'll be alongside its output
[00:46] <cjwatson> err, sorry, I'm completely wrong
[00:46] <cjwatson> yeah, it'll be in the main cdimage log file
[00:49] <udit99> ok.. but I can see the package in the tasks file... which makes me believe that debian cd is whats causing the problem, not germinate
[00:53] <cjwatson> ok, that narrows it down
[00:53] <cjwatson> quickest step is to check for further mentions of it in the log
[00:53] <cjwatson> is this package in the same archive as all the others?
[00:53] <cjwatson> have you triple-checked that its Filename field in Packages.gz is correct?
[01:00] <udit99> the only mentions of the package name in the log are from germinate (complaining no source available) and later on there is a warning that says the package has no sources (ignored)
[01:00] <udit99> but not surprising because i have no source packages in my repo
[01:01] <udit99> i'm going to triple check the path in Packages right now...
[01:01] <cjwatson> worth trying '/path/to/debian-cd/tools/apt-selection cache show packagename'
[01:02] <cjwatson> (substitute /path/to/debian-cd and packagename as appropriate)
[01:03] <cjwatson> also, there are various temporary files constructed by debian-cd along the way
[01:03] <cjwatson> check whether it's in the 'list' file (should be in a scratch directory named hardy-i386 or similar)
[01:07] <udit99> ok.  triple checked the location of the package as listed in Packages file.  all is well with that.
[01:21] <udit99> i'm not having luck wtih the apt-selection script... will have to play with that some more.  I think i am missing an env var.
[01:21] <udit99> as for the list file...
[01:22] <udit99> I'm looking at scratch/xubuntu/daily/apt/hardy-i386/apt-state/lists/
[01:22] <udit99> and there is a load of files in there.  Is that what you mean?
[01:24] <udit99> there is a file in there called ...ftp_dists_hardy_universe_binary-i386_Packages in there and it contains the package in question.
[01:46] <cjwatson> no, that's not what I mean
[01:46] <cjwatson> should be more like scratch/xubuntu/daily/tmp/hardy-i386/list
[04:27] <evand> cjwatson: negative; I had to run out after my core hours, I should be able to finish things up in the morning.
[09:13] <S[h]O[r]T> it seems that when i try to do a network install i often get Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol alot. i see there is d-i netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60
[09:14] <S[h]O[r]T> but that is not related to i think the initial network configuration but during the install if the server times out. If that is correct is there anyway to change the timeout for the initial network configuration with DHCP
[09:16] <S[h]O[r]T> if i restart the installer it seems to all work ago
[09:16] <S[h]O[r]T> *ok
[11:09] <saispo> cjwatson: ping ?
[11:20] <cjwatson> saispo: pong
[11:20] <saispo> hi :)
[11:20] <cjwatson> S[h]O[r]T: you're mistaken; netcfg/dhcp_timeout *is* for the initial network configuration with DHCP
[11:23] <saispo> cjwatson: have you an idea why germinate gave me this :
[11:23] <saispo> * Downloading file:///home/eole/mirror/seeds/ubuntu.hardy/eole
[11:23] <saispo> ? Unknown eole package: blacklists
[11:24] <saispo> i have the same configuration on two machines, one work, the second don't grab all eole seeds :/
[11:27] <cjwatson> saispo: the error message means that the 'blacklists' package in the 'eole' seed was not found in whatever archive you pointed it at. You should be able to confirm this with the downloaded Packages file (which should be left around in the current directory) and it may be due to pointing it at the wrong archive.
[11:28] <saispo> i export all for localdebs...
[11:29] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I am unable to debug your problem at a distance
[11:29] <cjwatson> but that is what the message means
[11:29] <S[h]O[r]T> hmmm thanks cj
[11:30] <cjwatson> saispo: you might also try removing all the *Packages and *Sources files before trying again, bearing in mind that germinate will generally use cached versions of those in preference to re-downloading them
[11:30] <saispo> it's strange, he get some localpackages which his in Ubuntu Packages but with a higher version in my local repos, but does not get the packages which is not in Ubuntu Packages. You're right, i think it's about the local Packages but when i start the project, the files are generated and the packages files tell me i found 499 files...
[11:30] <saispo> ok thanks
[11:31] <saispo> you want to see a log file for example ?
[11:32] <S[h]O[r]T> now its working ;)
[11:32] <cjwatson> saispo: err, I don't think it will really help me. I've told you what the problem is and the most likely causes
[11:33] <saispo> yep, i will continue to investigate
[11:33] <cjwatson> saispo: what is your germinate command line?
[11:33] <cjwatson> S[h]O[r]T: great
[11:33] <saispo> cjwatson: the same as in run-germinate
[11:34] <cjwatson> no, I don't want you to refer to a script which has changed a number of times over the years and which presumably you must have customised anyway
[11:34] <cjwatson> what is your germinate command line?
[11:38] <saispo> ok
[11:39] <saispo> + /home/eole/mirror/cdimage/germinate/germinate.py --seed-source file:///home/eole/mirror/seeds/ --mirror file:///home/eole/mirror/cdimage/scratch/eole/daily/germinate/ --seed-dist ubuntu.hardy --dist hardy,hardy-security,hardy-upda+tes,hardy-proposed --arch i386 --components main,restricted,universe --no-rdepends
[11:41] <saispo> local is missing no ?
[11:41] <cjwatson> that's a very odd thing to use as --mirror. --mirror should point to an actual archive - the sort of thing you'd put in sources.list.
[11:41] <cjwatson> and, yes, if you need to add another component to --components, do so
[11:42] <saispo> mirror must be the ubuntu archive i rsync all days ?
[11:42] <cjwatson> that and your own archive, presumably
[11:42] <saispo> ok
[11:43] <saispo> separated by "," ?
[11:43] <cjwatson> you can supply multiple --mirror options for multiple archives
[11:43] <cjwatson> no, like --mirror http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ --mirror http://mirror.example.org/path/to/my/mirror/
[11:43] <saispo> k, thanks
[11:43] <cjwatson> germinate has a manual page ...
[11:43] <saispo> it's strange, i have the same germinate commands on the other machines, and all work :/
[12:12] <saispo> cjwatson: i suspect the building of 1.filelist_local
[12:40] <saispo> no problem, i investigate, thanks :)
[12:55] <saispo> cjwatson: eole  eole.build-depends  eole.build-sources  eole.depends  eole.seed  eole.seed-recommends  eole.seedtext  eole.sources this file have been generated by germinate ?
[12:55] <cjwatson> yes
[12:56] <saispo> ok the difference between the two machine are for example the eole file which have all fine in one machine, and not on the other
[12:57] <saispo> but on the machine which have not packages in eole file, she have all in eole.seed...
[12:57] <saispo> strange
[13:11] <saispo> cjwatson: i found why, thanks for your help ! it's about an env variables for localdebs which is handled incorrectly in this case, why... don't know at this time :)
[13:18] <cjwatson> ok
[16:28] <nasrat>  I'm working on a project that is using cdimage to build their own variant. Now I see  it was excluding tango-icon-theme and human-icon-theme in lists2cd as they are in non-free
[16:28] <cjwatson> Ubuntu doesn't have a component called "non-free" ...
[16:28] <nasrat> I know
[16:29] <nasrat> but list2cds matches on Section:
[16:29] <nasrat>       foreach (grep { $packages{$_}{"Section"} =~ /Xnon-free/ }
[16:29] <nasrat> the X is mine
[16:29] <cjwatson> hmm, but tango-icon-theme has Section: universe/gnome
[16:29] <nasrat> hmm ok
[16:29] <cjwatson> and human-icon-theme has Section: x11
[16:29] <nasrat> so maybe I've a stale package
[16:30] <cjwatson> where are you getting your Packages files from?
[16:30] <cjwatson> oh, are you building them yourself or something?
[16:30] <cjwatson> I see that those two packages are in non-free in Debian
[16:31] <nasrat> ok let me try track down where they were from
[16:31] <cjwatson> so if you rebuilt the Packages file yourself (e.g. using apt-ftparchive or dpkg-scanpackages without giving it a proper Ubuntu override file) then you'll see that kind of symptom
[16:31] <nasrat> ah yes we're doing that
[16:31] <nasrat> ok
[16:31] <cjwatson> the override files are available in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices/
[16:32] <nasrat> and I just need them in the right place and cdimage/debian-cd will dtrt?
[16:32] <cjwatson> well, the code that's calling apt-ftparchive is presumably your own
[16:32] <cjwatson> but if you get the Packages file right, it should
[16:33] <nasrat> ok
[16:33] <nasrat> thanks that gives me enough to get on with, just getting my head around it all
[16:34] <cjwatson> righto
[17:28] <compbrain> If i've got a early-command that is doing machine provisioning (generating a name/ip, etc) how hard is it to loop in a display of that information to the console?
[17:35] <cjwatson> you mean something like a note that the installer would need to press Enter to acknowledge?
[17:35] <cjwatson> pretty fiddly; you'd have to create a debconf template for yourself ...
[17:38] <compbrain> I'm debating turning off framebuffer (in text mode) and just dumping out to tty1 or the like
[17:38] <compbrain> or something equally ugly and hackish
[18:18] <evand> update on localechooser: when it gets called a second time from tzsetup, it doesn't seem to be respecting that its been preseeded and asks localechooser/continentlist and countrylist, which causes the wrong values to get selected.
[18:18] <evand> Once I figure out what's causing this, it should be ready for commit.
[18:20] <cjwatson> replace the preseeding of localechooser/alreadyrun with 'rm -f /var/lib/localechooser/preseeded'
[18:20] <cjwatson> at a guess
[18:24] <evand> no such luck; picking through the code now.
[21:00] <CIA-1> partman-base: cjwatson * r101 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 121ubuntu3