[17:39] <pleia2> Ronnie Tucker is going to make me a werewolf coloring page :D
[17:39] <pleia2> I will print some for ubucon
[19:20] <nhandler> pleia2: Does it have the color-by-number guide? I've learned that art is tough
[22:47] <nhaines> It occurs to me that I'm actually doing 4 talks at UbuCon/SCALE this year and that is kind of a lot.
[23:03] <akk> That is a lot.
[23:34] <nhaines> Yes, but one's a panel discussion and one's a cohosted freestyle Q&A, so it shuold work out fine.


[20:09] <cprofitt> can anyone take a look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1269211
[20:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1269211 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "lightdm does not allow login" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:09] <cprofitt> I do not know how to go any further - as far as gathering the information necessary to help it get patched
[20:10] <cprofitt> this is with 14.04
[20:21] <cprofitt> hggdh: you around?


[00:36] <giampiero> Hello, I get an error message at startup, "no or unsupported wmi interface, unable to load", can anybody help?
[00:44] <thepuppydog> howdy
[00:44] <thepuppydog> i got a problem running Xubuntu
[00:46] <thepuppydog> is there anyone in here who know anything about Xubuntu?
[00:47] <_Techie_> thepuppydog, there are ALOT of people in here who know ALOT about Xubuntu
[00:47] <thepuppydog> awesome!
[00:47] <thepuppydog> so i downloaded the 10.4LTS
[00:47] <thepuppydog> installed it on 2 machines now
[00:47] <thepuppydog> and it works good
[00:48] <thepuppydog> all up untill i run an update
[00:48] <thepuppydog> after that... it will not run in normal graphics mode
[00:48] <thepuppydog> only the low graphics mode on the fail-safe boot option
[00:48] <thepuppydog> why is it doing that?
[00:48] <_Techie_> thepuppydog, i suggest holding back packages related to xorg when updating then
[00:49] <thepuppydog> so its a known issue, eh?
[00:49] <thepuppydog> i mean
[00:49] <thepuppydog> it had done it on 2 compleatly differnt systems
[00:49] <_Techie_> thepuppydog, i would think it would most likely be caused by driver updates... and i havent seen it before, but then again i dont lurk in here very often anymore
[00:49] <thepuppydog> and i have Mint 9 with the L Desktop running on them just fine
[00:50] <_Techie_> can you pastebin some files for me?
[00:50] <thepuppydog> uh
[00:50] <thepuppydog> ok
[00:51] <thepuppydog> let me set up an FTP server
[00:51] <thepuppydog> this is not the system in question
[00:51] <_Techie_> umm, if i remember correctly the file i want is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:52] <_Techie_> thepuppydog, also please bear in mind that i do not use Xubuntu anymore and havent for quite a few months... i am only really here to help with what i can
[00:52] <thepuppydog> well thanks for what you can, man
[00:52] <thepuppydog> i do aper the help
[00:52] <thepuppydog> give me just one sec
[00:52] <thepuppydog> i am booting up the system now
[00:53] <thepuppydog> what flavor do you run?
[00:54] <_Techie_> thepuppydog, im currently only using Windows 7, when my student loan gets processed and i buy my new computer, then i will start dabbling again
[00:55] <thepuppydog> i dont follow that logic in any why
[00:55] <thepuppydog> but hey
[00:55] <thepuppydog> at least you understand it
[00:55] <thepuppydog> :P
[00:55] <_Techie_> anyway, brb a sec gotta call up studylink and get them to finalize the application
[00:56] <thepuppydog> ok
[00:56] <thepuppydog> i'll get that file for ya
[01:07] <thepuppydog> welp this sucks
[01:07] <thepuppydog> it crashed
[01:07] <thepuppydog> how typical
[01:11] <thepuppydog> you there, _techie_??
[01:11] <_Techie_> yeah
[01:11] <thepuppydog> right on
[01:11] <thepuppydog> you want me to sent the file?
[01:12] <_Techie_> yes please
[01:12] <_Techie_> if i cant figure it out then atleast its somethign for the next person to look over
[01:12] <thepuppydog> yeah
[01:12] <thepuppydog> ok
[01:12] <thepuppydog> you want the Xorg.log file?
[01:13] <_Techie_> yes please
[01:13] <thepuppydog> cause there are several .old files too
[01:16] <thepuppydog2> i can not figure out how to load a file in this Xchat!
[01:17] <_Techie_> thepuppydog2 pastebin the contents of the log files
[01:17] <_Techie_> !paste
[01:17] <thepuppydog2> ok
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> X.Org X Server 1.7.6
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Release Date: 2010-03-17
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-27-server i686 Ubuntu
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Current Operating System: Linux mario-Xbuntu-laptop 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 07:54:58 UTC 2010 i686
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic root=UUID=1439c7a4-b5f4-44b9-aca0-7ceff18d639c ro acpi=off quiet splash
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Build Date: 16 June 2010  09:31:32AM
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> xorg-server 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Current version of pixman: 0.16.4
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Jul 12 17:21:01 2010
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) Using config directory: "/usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	Using a default monitor configuration.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) Automatically adding devices
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) Automatically enabling devices
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> (==) FontPath set to:
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
[01:18] <thepuppydog2> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	built-ins
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> (II) Loader magic: 0x81f0e80
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> (II) Module ABI versions:
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> 	X.Org Video Driver: 6.0
[01:19] <thepuppydog2> end of log
[01:23] <thepuppydog> any help?
[01:24] <_Techie_> thepuppydog, in future please paste all large amount of text to pastebin, and not directly into the channel
[01:25] <_Techie_> thepuppydog i cant seem to find anything wrong
[01:26] <thepuppydog> i dont know how to do that
[01:26] <thepuppydog> i am brand spanking new to IRC
[01:27] <thepuppydog> but i gtg
[01:27] <thepuppydog> thanks any way
[02:08] <thepuppydog> techie
[02:08] <thepuppydog> you still in here?
[04:16] <jiohdi> if the screen saver is set to disabled, why would the screen still blank after a while?
[04:17] <likemindead> Power Saving settings.
[04:17] <likemindead> Power Manager, rather.
[04:17] <jiohdi> powersaver is on the same panel under advanced, set to off
[04:19] <jiohdi> likemindead: you were right, there was a second power management setter
[04:21] <likemindead> :D
[04:21] <jiohdi> it was set to 30 min
[06:50] <xubuntu_user> hello?
[06:51] <xubuntu_user> um...trying to figure it out a error I got from using google chrome also how do I make the main browser.
[06:52] <xubuntu_user> don't tell me make as default I know that already something like whenever a program opens some of them open up firefox instead don't know why?
[06:53] <xubuntu_user> since Chrome is as the defualt on the preferred applications.
[13:49] <slow-motion> bbl
[15:11] <xubuntu797> upsss
[16:36] <DeRoSvOs> Hey all, I upgraded to 10.04 LTS via Upgrade Manager... when I did that, my GUI stopped in Normal... it works in Recovery Mode.  When I try to install from a fresh 10.04 DVD, it flashes the logo for a second, then black screen...
[16:49] <ron_o> hehe, linux is too cool. Need more swap space? Just add another partition on another drive...
[16:49] <ron_o> I'm thinking the reason why my suspend keeps acting abnormally is because not enough swap space. So much for smaller is better.
[16:51] <ron_o> DeRoSvOs, I couldn't solve your problem but obviously it has to do with xorg.conf .... I would make copies of my old /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if other ones work for you.
[16:52] <ron_o> just make sure you have a text editor that works in your terminal so you can change it back if you need to.
[16:53] <TheSheep> ron_o: it's even better, you can just add a file for swap
[16:53] <TheSheep> ron_o: and since kernel 2.6 it's as fast as a partition
[16:53] <ron_o> TheSheep, yah.. but I hear you shouldn't...
[16:53] <TheSheep> ron_o: why not?
[16:53] <ron_o> does the file grow or is it static in size?
[16:53] <ron_o> I mean, it's better to use a partition.
[16:55] <TheSheep> static
[16:55] <TheSheep> ron_o: "better" how?
[16:56] <ron_o> I've always heard it. I never knew why.
[16:56] <TheSheep> that's how cargo cults are born
[16:56] <TheSheep> it used to be faster in older kernels
[16:56] <ron_o> I bet Windows dynamic swap is one reason there's some fragmentation on the drive.
[16:57] <ron_o> I barely use my swap anyway.
[16:57] <TheSheep> well, linux filesystems work completely differently and you use static size of swap anyways (but you can add more files if needed)
[16:58] <TheSheep> also, if you have several physical disks, it's good to have a swap for each of them
[16:58] <TheSheep> then the reading/writing can be spread and is faster overall
[16:58] <DeRoSvOs> What if the latest XUbuntu 10.04 DVD doesn't work on install?  Get the logo, then a flash, then black screen?
[16:58] <DeRoSvOs> Off the DVD.
[16:59] <ron_o> DeRoSvOs, what video card do you have?
[16:59] <TheSheep> DeRoSvOs: did you check the disk? there is an option for this in the menu
[16:59] <ron_o> I have NVIDIA so I have to adjust things after an upgrade.
[17:00] <DeRoSvOs> Well, I can see the install, and when I hit enter to install, it just goes black.
[17:00] <DeRoSvOs> I don't see a "video" option per say.
[17:00] <ron_o> no.. he means "Check Disk" option.
[17:00] <ron_o> some burns are bad.
[17:02] <DeRoSvOs> Waiting on the lspci output.  My buddy's on the phone with me, he's the one with the problem. ;)  lol
[17:03] <ron_o> and you're typing what he's saying?
[17:03] <ron_o> actually, it sounds like his problem *is* your problem.
[17:10] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  Yeah, typing what he's saying.
[17:10] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  I told him he should consider another distro.  I hate to do this.  I hate to refer to another Distro.  I'm a CentOS guy, myself.
[17:11] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  Just, I know the problem is with Xorg... I just can't figure out WHY it's a problem.
[17:11] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  Is the default conf in /etc/X11/
[17:11] <DeRoSvOs> ?
[17:11] <ron_o> there are usually several xorg files as well as the default one on /etc/X11
[17:11] <ron_o> in *
[17:12] <ron_o> CentOS, isn't that for servers?
[17:14] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  No?  You can run X on it and run it bare bones without services.
[17:14] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  It's upstream is Redhat, that's all.  Diff packaging managers.
[17:14] <ron_o> I just looked it up. But it's mainly for servers.
[17:14] <ron_o> I see.
[17:14] <ron_o> nothing is easier than Ubuntu.
[17:15] <ron_o> maybe Mint...
[17:15] <DeRoSvOs> ron_o:  In tihs case, it's not really easy. ;)  The people on #Ubuntu aren't even addressing me because I use Xubuntu.
[17:15] <ron_o> yah, I know. I don't even go there.
[17:15] <DeRoSvOs> They see the X and go, "Go to XUbuntu"
[17:15] <DeRoSvOs> lol
[17:15] <ron_o> yah.
[17:15] <DeRoSvOs> I never force my distro of choice on anyone, but, this time around... 2 x DVD burns... no success.
[17:17] <ron_o> I've run sevarel OSs in virtual environment, VBox, but it's not the same on a computer. All hardware always works in a virtual environ, from what I've ever noticed.
[18:55] <ross_> Hello! I am having an audio issue. It works fine but then about 5 minutes into using an application it will suddenly cut out, but only for that application.
[22:46] <nicofs> every time i click on a link that opens in firefox, firefox switches to the workspace i am on. i don't want that - how can i make firefox stay in its workspace?
[22:48] <Sysi> window manager settings
[22:48] <Sysi> \tweaks
[22:49] <Sysi> IMO that default is stupid
[22:49] <well_laid_lawn> +1
[22:57] <nicofs> can someone help me set my cpu's speed? somehow governor and powernowd don't work...
[22:59] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: which governor?
[23:00] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: it's called governor plugin and is a button in my task bar...
[23:01] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: is the cpufreqd daemon required for it?
[23:02] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: is there a way for me to find out? to be honest i was quite desperate and installed quite a lot of progs to get it working...
[23:03] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: apart from reading up on it on the site you got the plugin from I wouldn't know
[23:03] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: cpufreqd is not installed... so i think it might not be required...
[23:04] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: with cpufreqd running I use a bash script to change mine
[23:04] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: is the plugin from ubuntu repo?
[23:05] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: if i install cpufreqd could you talk me through that? // i found it... "governor plugin for the Xfce4 panel" apparently it is from the ubuntu repo...
[23:06] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: there might be some docs for it in /usr/share/doc
[23:08] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: no...
[23:09] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: but i can live without that plugin... that bash script thing sounds interesting - i have never done that before so i might learn something...
[23:09] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: just pasting it now
[23:10] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463205/
[23:11] <well_laid_lawn> you need to add a line to /etc/init.d/rc.local I think it is called - not on a buntu box atm
[23:11] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs:
[23:15] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: anywhere in init.d ? i have cpu0 and cpu1 - which should i choose?
[23:15] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: they both get changed at the same time
[23:16] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: there is a local file in init.d where you add that line
[23:16] <well_laid_lawn> a file named local nicofs
[23:16] <well_laid_lawn> *
[23:17] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: sorry, my mistake - i meant that "rc.local" file... i  inserted the line right after the end of the comment...
[23:18] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: it needs to be on a line of its' own
[23:19] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: ok, did that - what irritated my is that this line is about cpu1 whereas the script is about cpu0...
[23:19] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: if you do one the other cpu changes at he same time
[23:19] <well_laid_lawn> can't just change one
[23:20] <well_laid_lawn> I've tried and tried and...
[23:21] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: right... i saved the code you pastebined as "cpu-scaling.bash" on my desktop...
[23:21] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: i need to make it executable, don't i?
[23:21] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: then right click, select properties and then the box making it executable
[23:22] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: ok... that box isn't there...
[23:23] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: I forgot to mention selecting the permissions tab
[23:23] <well_laid_lawn> ...
[23:24] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: i figured that :-) still no box...
[23:24] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: mybe wrong owner?
[23:24] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: do it from terminal   chmod +x /path/to/cpu-scaling.bash
[23:26] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: done
[23:26] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: it told me my current speed...
[23:27] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: you haven't used the line you put in init.d 'cause you haven't rebooted - copy that line to terminal and put sudo in front
[23:28] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: hmm... that makes sense... i actually do understand (to a certain extent) what i am doing here...
[23:31] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: ok. in that line i had to swap cpu1 for cpu0 in order for it to work - i then got a menu to choose from. but i chose 1GHz and after that it said current speed 1,66 ...
[23:31] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: what is it normally pls?
[23:32] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: supported are 1000, 1330 and 1660. and normally it's at 1660 all the time... which is annoying...
[23:33] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: it sounds like the chmod didn't work...
[23:34] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: I forgot you need to be using the   userspace   governor
[23:34] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: it had an effect... before that i didn't have the menu... how do i do that...
[23:35] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors what is now available?
[23:37] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: "conservative ondemand userspace powersave performance"
[23:38] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: cpufreqd has a conf file in /etc where you can set the default governor
[23:39] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: and i should set that to userspace... all right...
[23:39] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[23:40] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: then   sudo service cpufreqd restart   afaik
[23:44] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: i can't find a specifig default governor... there are only profiles with entries for "policy"... change them to userspace?
[23:44] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: one min
[23:46] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: here there is a folder /etc/conf.d that has the cpufreq conf file in it that lets you select the governor
[23:47] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: my cpufreqd.conf was in /etc/ ...
[23:48] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: it is a seperate file without the .conf at the end
[23:49] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: i don't have /etc/conf.d
[23:50] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: then make sure the performance profiles use   userspace   as the governor
[23:50] <well_laid_lawn> in cpufreqd.conf
[23:51] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: done and service restarted...
[23:51] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: try the script
[23:52] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: no change... refuses to go below 1,66GHz
[23:52] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: look in /etc/default for a cpufreq file
[23:54] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: CPUFREQ_GOV_MODULES="auto" --> CPUFREQ_GOV_MODULES="userspace" ?
[23:54] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: yep
[23:55] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: changed that restarted service, no change...
[23:56] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: should i reboot, just in case...?
[23:56] <well_laid_lawn> nicofs: worth a shot
[23:56] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: i'm good at shooting...^^
[23:56] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[23:59] <nicofs> well_laid_lawn: hmm... menu's gone...


[00:23] <merbit> can someone check out bug #568707 ? It looks like debian/rules is missing a sed command to replace "@java_launcher@" in file debian/JB-java.desktop.in
[00:24] <persia> Does it work with OpenJDK?
[00:24] <merbit> persia: yes :)
[00:24] <persia> Ah, it does!
[00:29] <nessita> hello everyone. I build a .deb for a project of mine (https://lp:launchpad/pycasa), and I uploaded the package to revu, but it complains "This package could not be extracted; there's no browsable directory for it on REVU." Would you know what steps I should take in this case? (the tar.gz can be opened with no problem, and the .deb installs just fine)
[00:30] <persia> nessita: Your next step is to relax.  REVU doesn't have a new enough dpkg to unpack your package.
[00:30] <nessita> persia: wow
[00:30] <lool> Would someone be able to help me sync over libhildonhelp from sid?
[00:31] <lool> to fix a FTBFS in Ubuntu
[00:31] <persia> lool: A straight sync?
[00:31] <lool> I didn't manage to fill in the sycn request
[00:31] <lool> persia: yeah
[00:31] <lool> 2.0.5-4
[00:31] <nessita> persia: ok then, thanks!
[00:32] <persia> lool: Just file a sync request, no?
[00:32] <persia> Or do you need a test-build/etc. ?
[00:32] <merbit> james_w: Are you in charge to update the ubuntu package branches? Could you update sun-java6? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/sun-java6/lucid shows it's going to be updated, but never is! https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/sun-java6 says it's 20 weeks old
[00:33] <james_w> merbit: I'm one of the people that can do that, yes
[00:33] <james_w> however, it's not a 2 minute job, sorry
[00:33] <james_w> I've just realised that we don't import partner, and I'm not sure that we should
[00:34] <james_w> and the branch is never updated with the state from when it wasn't in partner due to MemoryError apparently
[00:34]  * james_w files some bugs
[00:34] <merbit> that was my next message, i kind of realized that :)
[00:34] <lool> persia: I didn't manage to
[00:34] <merbit> thanks :)
[00:34] <lool> persia: requestsync doesn't want to take it
[00:34] <lool> neither with --lp nor without
[00:35] <persia> Then just file a bug with the right title, the expanation why the ubuntu diff can be dropped, the explanation why it needs to happen pre-release, and a changelog diff.
[00:35] <ajmitch> lool: LP is a little slow on picking up that there's a new version in debian
[00:36] <persia> Subscribe the archive-admins.
[00:37] <james_w> merbit: bugs 568740 and 568741
[00:38] <merbit> james_w: thanks!
[00:39]  * lool filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhildonhelp/+bug/568742
[00:46]  * ajmitch should have filed a bug about the lp records of debian packages not updating properly
[00:51]  * ajmitch will let the LP people deal with that now
[00:58] <persia> Interesting.  sun-java6 isn't in Ubuntu anymore.
[00:58]  * persia gives up on bug #568707
[00:59] <ajmitch> oh it's finally been removed?
[00:59] <persia> merbit: My recommendation would be to switch JVMs :)
[00:59] <persia> Apparently so.  I've been ignoring it for a good while now, but it's gone so I can be explicit about ignoring it :)
[01:00]  * ajmitch hates getting nearly unintelligible telemarketing calls at work
[01:00] <StevenK> persia: It moved from multiverse to partner
[01:01] <persia> StevenK: But rmadison doesn't show partner :)
[01:01] <StevenK> That can be fixed
[01:01] <StevenK> I'd rather not, but don't tempt me :-)
[01:01] <persia> Personally, I consider it a feature.
[01:01] <ajmitch> but he wants to be able to ignore it :)
[01:02] <persia> StevenK: That said, I'd be delighted if you knew how to make rmadison show ports.
[01:02]  * persia currently has to fiddle with running madison-lite twice
[01:03] <ajmitch> StevenK: you're 'familiar' with gina & soyuz, right? :)
[01:04] <persia> What does gina do?
[01:04] <ajmitch> from what I was told, keeps track of source packages in debian
[01:04] <ajmitch> though that's probably a rather wrong description
[01:05] <ajmitch> A script that generates Launchpad database entries for tables related to
[01:05] <ajmitch> packages; bases itself on Katie data and Debian package/release tag files.
[01:05] <ajmitch> from the README file in the LP source
[01:07] <StevenK> ajmitch: What about it?
[01:07] <ajmitch> StevenK: reocrds of uploads to sid aren't showing up on LP, I can't tell if it's intentional (probably not)
[01:08] <ajmitch> it makes requestsync unhappy, I filed bug 568745
[01:09] <StevenK> persia: Right, to make the madison-lite mirror on people.c.c support ports requires crimes against humanity that I'm not willing to commit
[01:09] <persia> StevenK: OK.  Thanks for looking into it.
[01:09]  * persia may have to set up a local madison.cgi
[01:10] <ajmitch> crimes against humanity sounds like a good description of some of this soyuz stuff
[01:10] <StevenK> madison.cgi is trivial, if you have a cache seeded with ports stuff
[01:10] <persia> ajmitch: The key part of the phrase is "I'm not willing to commit"
[01:11] <persia> I'd have to fake it, by setting up something to merge the ./dists/ trees
[01:11] <StevenK> ajmitch: But looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gpt doesn't show unstable at all?
[01:12] <persia> Might it be a side effect of the "let's sync from testing" adjustment?
[01:12] <ajmitch> StevenK: correct
[01:12] <StevenK> persia: I was thinking that
[01:13] <ajmitch> I'd have thought it'd have been more of a problem before now
[01:13] <ajmitch> thought I haven't exactly been doing a lot of syncs
[01:13] <persia> Since that gets readjusted in a couple weeks, I'm not sure how critical fixing it now might be.
[01:14] <StevenK> I can't see unstable on https://edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/glibc either
[01:15] <ajmitch> I'm doing it wrong - there are records for sid on there
[01:15] <ajmitch> but they're not updated for gpt
[01:16] <ajmitch> https://edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gpt/1.0.4-1 says it's uploaded to sid, but 1.0.4-3 was uploaded a week ago
[01:19] <ajmitch> I think I'll go & get lunch instead :)
[01:20] <imbrandon> StevenK / persia is it something that could be setup on ubuntuwire ?
[01:21] <StevenK> No, it has LP internals all through it
[01:21] <imbrandon> ah
[01:22] <persia> imbrandon: We could do something entirely different that pulled every upload from Debian and extracted the changelogs, and made a DB, etc., but that's just a lot of effort when it's working around a simple bugfix.
[01:22] <imbrandon> yea
[01:41] <ajmitch> persia: you may as well use UDD for that, if it were needed
[01:41] <persia> ajmitch: Indeed.
[01:53] <ScottK> YokoZar: wine accepted.
[01:53] <YokoZar> ScottK: Great.  now onto the next one...
[02:27] <YokoZar> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/wine/1.0.1-0ubuntu11
[02:27] <YokoZar> ScottK: failed to upload?
[02:27] <YokoZar> do I need to bump the version?
[02:30] <ajmitch> YokoZar: it's not liking the version
[02:31] <ajmitch> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/45057644/upload_1703023_log.txt
[02:31] <YokoZar> ajmitch: it probably got confused by the rejected upload having the same version then
[02:51] <ScottK> YokoZar: No.  Not that.
[02:51] <ScottK> YokoZar: What was the wine version when it was provided by the wine1.2 package and what is it now?
[02:52] <YokoZar> ScottK: ugh, yeah that was 1.1.42-something
[02:52] <ScottK> So you need a higher version.
[02:53] <ajmitch> thiss was the WARNING in that upload log
[02:53] <ScottK> Since your package doesn't derive from Debian at all, I don't think an epoch would be a problem.
[02:54] <YokoZar> ScottK: If I make this Wine > 1.1.42, users of wine1.2 will be downgraded to it and that's not supposed to happen
[02:54] <ajmitch> but it neeeds to be higher than what's in the archive currently for it to exist
[02:55] <ScottK> YokoZar: Did wine1.2 provide wine or was it an actual package?
[02:55] <YokoZar> ScottK: it was a dummy package
[02:55] <YokoZar> So new wine needs to be > original Wine and < current wine1.2 package
[02:56] <ScottK> Are the actual wine and wine1.2 packcages co-installable?
[03:40] <YokoZar> ScottK: no they're not, I'm worried about making dpkg spew out one of those refusal to upgrade things
[03:43] <ScottK> YokoZar: Yeah, I agree.
[03:44] <ScottK> I'm not sure what the right answer is.
[03:44] <persia> YokoZar: Whilst you're fiddling with wine, would you be up for adding an entry to P-a-s?
[03:46] <YokoZar> persia: No, as I explained earlier the package has parts that are usable on all arches (the font), and there is an ARM port underway
[03:46] <YokoZar> persia: In its current state it doesn't try to build on the other arches anyway as it lists them specifically in the control file
[03:46] <persia> An ARM port!  For WinCE?
[03:46] <persia> Yeah, it's because it doesn't build, but wastes build scheduler time and buildd time not building that I wanted to see the P-a-s entries.
[03:46] <YokoZar> persia: For winelib apps at first, but in the future Windows Mobile compatibility is reasonable as it's very similar to win32
[03:47] <YokoZar> persia: why would the builder try to build on an arch that has no binary targets?
[03:48] <persia> YokoZar: Because the semantics of .dsc files aren't rich enough to properly identify which architectures should be used for building, which is why we have P-a-s.
[03:49] <YokoZar> persia: do the architecture=all packages become available on P-A-S prohibited targets?
[03:49] <persia> Absolutely.  Those are arch:all, so only get build on i386, and may be installed anywhere.
[03:49] <persia> P-a-s is only how we tell the buildds not to bother even trying a source on an arch.
[03:50] <persia> So if a source has a combination of Architecture fields in debian/control that means it should never be tried on some architecture (e.g. wine on sparc), it makes sense to P-a-s it.
[03:53] <YokoZar> persia: Will P-A-S affect ppas?
[03:53] <persia> No idea, but since PPAs don't build any interesting architectures anyway, I doubt it matters.
[04:34] <YokoZar> persia: My thinking was if ARM port gets somewhere and I put Wine ARM port on a PPA I don't want to deal with worrying about P-A-S issues for a stable release
[04:34] <persia> PPAs don't support ARM anyway.
[05:19] <ScottK> If someone could investigate a sync request for zabbix, that looks likely to be fruituf.
[05:20] <persia> 1:1.8.2-1?
[05:20] <ScottK> Yes
[05:20] <ScottK> Sync or merge, whichever.
[05:21] <ScottK> In the meantime, I think I will sleep
[05:21] <persia> Good night.
[05:22] <persia> http://www.zabbix.com/documentation/1.8/manual/about/what_s_new_1.8.2 looks like a massive volume of feature additions to me.
[05:22] <persia> Anyone actually use zabbix?
[05:24] <persia> Reading the docs, I don't think I can test a new version effectively.
[05:24] <ajmitch> ScottK: your opinion on bug 568670? I just got warned of it by a DD
[05:24] <ScottK> Is it better to risk a possble broken new version or release with a known security issue?
[05:24] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:26] <persia> ajmitch: Can't that be cherrypicked trivially and safely?
[05:26] <ajmitch> it'd just be adding the conflicts, I think
[05:27] <ajmitch> rather than grabbing that revision of perl
[05:27] <persia> That's what it looks like to me.  Pulling newer software seems risky, but not upgrading seems bad.
[05:27] <persia> cherrypicking can probably skip both options.
[05:27] <ajmitch> at least ubuntu-release is subscribed now, hopefully slangasek will see it soon :)
[05:28] <persia> I'd suggest attaching a cherrypick debdiff for consideration.  I believe the release team operates best when there's something to review.
[05:29] <persia> I'm certain they respond more effectively when something is milestone-targeted.
[05:29] <ajmitch> true
[05:29] <ajmitch> I'll create a quick debdiff & nominate it then
[05:30] <ajmitch> whatever is needed to avoid messy upgrades
[05:30] <persia> Can't you just milestone it?  I thought you were core-dev
[05:30] <ajmitch> I can, UI still says nominate for release
[05:31]  * ajmitch looks for the right milestone button
[05:33] <ScottK> ajmitch: I'm just trying to get that bug to load in my browser
[05:35] <ScottK> ajmitch: I'd just milestone it and upload the proposed package.  It's a lot easier for the release team to review in the queue and accept/reject than it is to do the additional round trip if it's decided an upload is wanted.
[05:35] <ajmitch> alright
[05:36] <ScottK> I've got the LP foo covered
[05:37] <ajmitch> I'll make up a package now then
[05:39] <ScottK> Great.
[05:39] <ajmitch> may take awhile to test-build, so don't stay up waiting for it :)
[05:39] <ScottK> I am enjoying the irony of safe-rm breaking upgrade.
[05:39] <ScottK> I won't.
[05:39] <ScottK> Good night again.
[05:40] <ajmitch> night
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[08:11] <dholbach> hola ajmitch
[08:12] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: very slowly waking up, but alright :)
[08:13] <ajmitch> heh
[08:14]  * ajmitch is forever doomed if this upload gets accepted - I'll have the TIL curse for perl for maverick
[08:14] <dholbach> hahaha
[08:15]  * dholbach hugs ajmitch
[08:15] <persia> ajmitch: You always wanted to be a perl hacker, right?
[08:15] <ajmitch> persia: yeah, and cyanide is tasty & wholesome, right?
[08:15] <persia> Of course.  The only cure for oxygen addiction.
[08:16] <ajmitch> at least I wasn't the last person to touch php
[08:17] <ajmitch> so how's universe looking for release this time round?
[08:22] <persia> Depending on architecture, I get 310/107/100/163 from `apt-cache unmet -i | grep ^Package | wc -l`
[08:22] <ajmitch> it could be worse
[08:22] <ajmitch> though it'd be nice to see them at 0
[08:22] <persia> ubuntuwire ftbfs has 28 packages FTBFS on i386 (never mind other arches), and there's more at the UDD link.
[08:23] <persia> RCBugs is depressingly full.
[08:23] <Rhonda> persia, ScottK: I finally got around to upload wesnoth-1.8 1:1.8-3 to unstable, including a change to have installing the wesnoth-1.8-server package make it _not_ start automatically, closing a LP bug. :)
[08:23] <ajmitch> it'll be SRU season soon
[08:23] <persia> Rhonda: File a sync request.
[08:23] <persia> (and share the bug number of the sync)
[08:24] <persia> ajmitch: My worry is that everyone will be focused enough on maverick, that these will never be fixed.
[08:24] <ajmitch> persia: that's usually the case
[08:24] <ajmitch> I should probably sit down with the rc bugs list & try & get a few more fixes in, or scrub the bug as unimportant
[08:25]  * persia has done a few hit&miss scans, and expects to spend some real time with it over the weekend.
[08:25] <ajmitch> it's not entirely accurate either
[08:25] <ajmitch> yeah, I went & added a few comments, I need to follow up on getting the fix in
[08:26] <ajmitch> not sure when we'll be told to stop uploading to let the buildds be free
[08:26] <Rhonda> persia: I will, just give me a moment to settle. ;)
[08:26] <Rhonda> Thought I'd drop a notice prior to that.
[08:27] <persia> I think we're good up until the usual deadlines: Xubuntu and UbuntuStudio stuff can always rescore, all the architectues are mostly caught up, and main gets 1000 extra points anyway.
[08:27] <persia> Rhonda: No huge rush :)
[08:30] <fabrice_sp> I asked that on ubuntu-release, but not sure it was the right channel: Hi. Is this sync acceptable? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gorm.app/+bug/568619) It fixes a FTBFS and make 2 packages installables
[08:31]  * ajmitch finds 2 to knock off the rcbugs list
[08:32] <persia> fabrice_sp: Am I reading that right that the only "feature additions" are the button style popups and the support for standalone views?
[08:32]  * persia would imagine it to be OK, but suspects it needs release-team ACK
[08:35] <ajmitch> ugh, xemacs21 needs a merge
[08:37] <fabrice_sp> persia, that's also my point (mainly bug fixing, but some 'new' features)
[09:27] <slytherin> Are bug fixes still allowed for packages in universe?
[09:28] <slytherin> ahh, forgot to check topic.
[09:28] <persia> Absolutely!
[09:28] <persia> We have about 50,000 bugs to fix in the next week.
[09:32] <_ruben> ;)
[09:56] <slytherin> ha ha ha
[09:57] <Rhonda> persia, ScottK: LP bug #568871 is the sync request. Thanks in advance. :)
[10:02] <slytherin> Wow, I just checked yesterday and wesnoth 1.8 was not in unstable. :-)
[10:07] <slytherin> Rhonda: Any idea why is this a new package 'wesnoth1.8'?
[10:07] <the-dude> fabrice_sp: ping
[10:08] <fabrice_sp> the-dude, pong
[10:08] <Rhonda> slytherin: wesnoth 1.8 was in unstable yesterday and for a bit longer, too. It was just build-broken. And of course I have an idea about that because I did the change. ;)
[10:09] <slytherin> Rhonda: Ok. Then tell me. Why the source/binary package rename.
[10:09] <Rhonda> slytherin: The reason is to be able to install 1.6 and 1.8 side-by-side and not have to remove the one on upgrade and with that lose the posibility to finish a started campaign.
[10:10] <Rhonda> There were some people complain about that with last releases.
[10:10] <slytherin> Rhonda: Funny, I never faced such a problem.
[10:10] <Rhonda> On upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4, and then again from 1.4 to 1.6.  I wanted to avoid that for 1.8
[10:11] <slytherin> May it was specific to some campaigns. As I said, in my case the partial campaign always got converted properly.
[10:13] <persia> Rhonda: testbuild (powerpc) started
[10:13] <persia> Rhonda: Do you know if anyone ran it in Ubuntu yet?
[10:13] <Rhonda> Actually don't know that, sorry no.
[10:14] <Rhonda> slytherin: No, it was for all campaign. And 1.6 even started to use its own dotdir so it wasn't even technicly possible anymore to load a savegame from 1.4
[10:14] <Rhonda> Maybe you didn't had any unfinished campaigns from the old releases when you did the upgrades.
[10:15] <persia> slytherin: Since this needs runtime testing, and you're obviously a player, do you want to gram bug #568871?
[10:18] <slytherin> persia: I have not updated to lucid. If the dependencies are not very tight I can try.
[10:20] <the-dude> fabrice_sp: what can I do to get a new version of grsync in to ubuntu? I see you uploaded the last version
[10:21] <persia> slytherin: OK.  If you fail, let me know, and I'll play it tomorrow (I'll likely fall asleep first tonight).
[10:21] <slytherin> persia: Where do I find packages?
[10:22] <slytherin> the-dude: At this point new version is very much out of question (unless in very exceptional cases).
[10:22] <persia> slytherin: unstable
[10:22] <persia> slytherin: You'll have to build them
[10:22] <the-dude> fabrice_sp: it would solve a lot of open bugs, isn't that a good reason :)
[10:23] <the-dude> I could prepare a NMU if needed
[10:23] <slytherin> persia: That is problematic then. My machine freezes almost every time I try to build anything. :-( I thought I could pick packages from your test build.
[10:24] <fabrice_sp> the-dude, the actual version in ubuntu is the debian one, so you can fill a sync request, explaining why a FFe should be granted
[10:24] <persia> the-dude: We have no maintainers in Ubuntu.  THere's no such thing as NMU.  debdiffs may be sponsored.
[10:24] <persia> slytherin: I'm building powerpc/lucid.  I can pass you those.
[10:24] <persia> (or build something else)
[10:24] <slytherin> persia: powerpc is fine. I can test parallel install with 1.6 on karmic.
[10:24] <the-dude> fabrice_sp: its there https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grsync/+bug/556280
[10:26] <fabrice_sp> the-dude, you should follow the FFe process
[10:26] <the-dude> I can create a debdiff as well if someone wants to sponsor it
[10:26] <fabrice_sp> no need of debdiff, if the debian package works
[10:28] <the-dude> the debian package works, but it doesn't close LP bugs
[10:29] <fabrice_sp> that's why you hae to explain why it is so important to have it in lucid ;-)
[10:29] <the-dude> fabrice_sp: I already added comments to the open bugs
[10:30] <slytherin> fabrice_sp: I think he meant the debian changelog does not have (LP: #xxxxxx) comments.
[10:30] <the-dude> slytherin: yes thanks :)
[10:31] <the-dude> Im maintainer of the Debian grsync package
[10:31] <fabrice_sp> the-dude, subscribe ubuntu-release to get their ack
[10:32] <the-dude> fabrice_sp: ask them if it is ok to sync ?
[10:32] <fabrice_sp> yes
[10:32] <fabrice_sp> and you can add the bugs that this release would fix
[10:33] <fabrice_sp> !ffe|the-dude
[10:34] <fabrice_sp> that explain the kind of info you need to add to your sync request before subscribing ubutnu-release
[10:36] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a way to only download a delta instead of the whole .deb files on upgrades ?
[10:36] <geser> no
[10:37] <AnAnt> ok
[10:37] <slytherin> AnAnt: Have you ever heard of debdelta?
[10:37] <AnAnt> slytherin: maybe
[10:38] <AnAnt> slytherin: ok, I just read about it, but seems that it needs to be supported on server side too
[10:39] <slytherin> AnAnt: Yes. But there isn't much trouble in setting the server side.
[10:39] <AnAnt> slytherin: except that I am not the server side :)
[10:40] <slytherin> AnAnt: You may try requesting the server/repo admin.
[10:41] <slytherin> persia: Are you currently approving universe packages from queue?
[10:42] <persia> slytherin: I'm not a member of the release team.
[10:42]  * persia is in fact not a member of *any* special teams that appove anything *except* regarding membership in teams.
[10:43] <soren> It's funny really. You can go and make other people core-dev, but you'r not one yourself.
[10:45] <slytherin> hmm. ScottK, can you please approve pidgin-sipe whenever you get time.
[10:50] <persia> soren: I believe it to be that my wisdom is respected, but that I don't have frequent enough desire to upload to anything for which I'd need core-dev to be in the group.
[10:52] <soren> persia: Probably something like that. It's just a bit odd.
[10:53] <persia> I guess.  I end up with 3-4 uploads to main a cycle, and have since Breezy (excepting edgy and karmic, when I wasn't active).  I don't really anticipate this will change.
[10:54] <persia> Plus, I expect components to go away soon enough, so that the entire "main"/"universe" thing will go away.
[11:05] <imbrandon> i've been expecting them to go away for a while, dont see it happening though for 3 or 4 more cycles
[11:06] <slytherin> Does anyone know why such an error would be seen only on sparc buildd - gnome-icon-theme: Depends: libgtk2.0-bin but it is not going to be installed
[11:06] <imbrandon> is libgtk2.0-bin built ?
[11:06] <imbrandon> ( for sparc )
[11:07] <persia> slytherin: there's a script on the buildd that kills any attempt to build libgtk on sparc because it was killing the buildds.
[11:08] <persia> slytherin: In other news, the lucid sparc kernel isn't known to boot for anyone.
[11:08] <imbrandon> fun
[11:08] <slytherin> Oh. I will then stop worrying about why evolution isn't building on sparc. :-)
[11:08] <imbrandon> i dont have any sparc hardware anymore sadly
[11:08] <persia> Really needs a couple people with sparcs to pay attention, and it can work again.  There's only about 6-7 core bugs that make it mostly useless.
[11:09] <imbrandon> persia: what happened to fabionone or w/e his irc nick was
[11:10] <slytherin> persia: By the way, there are sparc packages here - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0 So I am really not sure why this error is seen during evolution build.
[11:10] <persia> imbrandon: He's around here and there.  Last I heard, he didn't have a fix.
[11:10] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:11] <persia> slytherin: Quite possibly due to archive skew (different versions)
[11:11] <persia> slytherin: Or maybe I'm out of date.  Would have to test on a sparc, and our virtual sparcs are currently broken for another reason.
[11:17] <slytherin> persia: 'different versions' does not seem to be a problem. Anyway, it's not like I care too much for sparc.
[11:17] <persia> heh.
[11:18] <persia> If we get a couple people to fix the core issues, the rest of us will happily chase the miscellaneous stuff.
[11:53] <ScottK> slytherin: I didn't see  pidgin-sipe in the queue.
[11:54] <slytherin> ScottK: Someone else approved it already.
[11:54] <ScottK> OK
[11:54] <slytherin> ScottK: I thought it was you. :-)
[11:55] <ScottK> Nope.  I was sleeping.
[11:59] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, would you mind having a look at bug 568619 and see if it requires a FFe?
[12:01] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Perhaps later today.  Currently I need to sleep.
[12:02] <imbrandon> ScottK: wakeup just for an IRC fix ;)
[12:02] <ScottK> No, woke up to get the first wave of kids off to school.
[12:04] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:28] <persia> slytherin: Rhonda: This is going to take a whle: it *finally* started ./configure
[12:28] <slytherin> ok
[12:29] <Rhonda> persia: Well, build with -b wouldn't build the source (again) and spare you a lot of time. :)
[12:29] <persia> Rhonda: I didn't rebuild the source: I just fed it to sbuild for binary-only build.
[12:30]  * persia doesn't have a very super-powerful powerpc
[12:37] <imbrandon> consumer powerfull powerpc hardware is becomming increasingly harder to find
[12:37]  * imbrandon wouldent mind picking up something arround 2ghz at somepoint
[12:38] <persia> Doesn't help that I have a new rule that all my servers must be smaller than 200mmx200mmx100mm
[12:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:40] <slytherin> persia: Is your machine slower than G4 1.3 GHz with 1.2 GB RAM?
[12:40] <persia> More CPU, less RAM.
[12:40] <persia> But < 10% more CPU
[12:41] <persia> But it's nearly done, and I'm doing arch-all on a different machine (2x2.5GHz/4G)
[12:42] <imbrandon> hrm
[12:44] <imbrandon> i have a video file, i know its a video file because my portable media player will play the file as video, it became a video file by a piece of windows software that converted my mpg-2 file to this format, so i'm lookin at it trying to figure out what it is so i can use something like ffmpeg to create more of them, but linux "file" only knows it as :data :(
[12:44] <imbrandon> ideas ?
[12:44] <persia> Rhonda: I'm getting lots of dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unused substitution variable ${wesnoth:Max-Version} messages.  Dunno if that's intended, or matters.
[12:47] <slytherin> imbrandon: Try something like this - gst-launch-0.10 -t playbin uri=file:///path/to/file
[12:47] <slytherin> imbrandon: that -t should print out metadata.
[12:47] <slytherin> if it can actually identify it.
[12:50] <imbrandon> k
[12:52] <imbrandon> hum i get exactly 2 lines of output, and nothing else seems to be happening ( but it hasent given me a prompt back either )
[12:52] <imbrandon> Setting pipeline to PAUSED ...
[12:52] <imbrandon> Pipeline is PREROLLING ...
[12:53] <slytherin> imbrandon: Is the video playing in a window?
[12:53] <imbrandon> nope, no windows opened up
[12:54] <slytherin> hmm, looks like it is not able to identify the type. Do you have all the gstreamer plugins packages installed?
[12:54] <imbrandon> yea as far as i know, and ubuntu-restricted-extras plus w32codecs and vlc
[12:54] <imbrandon> and a slew of other "media" stuffr
[12:54] <imbrandon> s/stuffr/stuff
[12:55] <slytherin> hmm, any chance you can post the video anywhere.
[12:55] <imbrandon> sure, give me just a sec
[12:56] <Rhonda> persia: http://bugs.debian.org/557133 :)
[12:56] <persia> Rhonda: Aha!
[12:56] <Laibsch> Can somebody please sync pastebinit from Debian unstable and fix bug 566933?
[12:56] <Rhonda> persia: I take it that you are building it on karmic, not on lucid then? ;)
[12:57] <persia> I'm building on lucid.
[12:57] <Rhonda> Hmm. Maybe the bug needs to get reopened. I really have to check my own build logs.
[12:57] <imbrandon> slytherin: http://storage.brandonholtsclaw.com/misc/Hilary_Duff_-_Beat_of_My_Heart.mtv
[12:58] <persia> Laibsch: Why?  I didn't see any additional changes in Debian that were worth changing.
[12:58] <Rhonda> persia: Anyway, that's the bug you found and it is well known to me. :)
[12:58] <persia> If it's known, and didn't compromise my build, I'm happy.
[12:58] <slytherin> imbrandon: It will take a while to download.   To have no Ubuntu delta going into the lucid release.
[13:03] <persia> Laibsch: Not worth making a fuss about: there are more critical uses of archive-admin time right now, and the bug in LP that keeps the rest of us from processing syncs is getting closer to closed, but isn't there yet.
[13:03] <Laibsch> if nothing else it makes things easier for me.  And me being the maintainer of the package, that means, I'd be much more inclined and responsive to backport fixes once lucid is released.
[13:04] <persia> Laibsch: So, I ACK'd it, and put it in the right place to get synced, but I don't consider it release-critical.
[13:04] <carstenh> imbrandon: i did not read this link, but googling for the first string in the video ... http://mympxplayer.org/solved-mtv-aliavi-converter-on-linux-vt12615.html
[13:04] <Laibsch> persia: I never said it was RC
[13:04] <Laibsch> but then again, I don't think we now fix only RC bugs
[13:04] <Laibsch> now
[13:04] <persia> Laibsch: We're in final-freeze.  If it's not RC, it's not likely to happen.
[13:04] <Laibsch> ?
[13:05] <Laibsch> if that rule existed, that would be stupid IMNSHO
[13:05] <Laibsch> a fix is a fix
[13:05] <imbrandon> carstenh: i think i looked at that , but it said to use wine, but let me try make sure
[13:05] <persia> Laibsch: There are 7 people who can process syncs.  They are all focused on RC issues.  Is this bug important enough to distract them?  It's in the queue, so if they have a spare moment, they'll do it.
[13:06] <carstenh> imbrandon: maybe the strings ALIAVI RIFF and WAVEfmt could help slytherin to find a solution faster
[13:06] <imbrandon> carstenh: yea i seen that, it says use wine ( i would rather not if i can help it )
[13:06] <persia> That there are so few people who can do it is a bug, but that's a different issue.
[13:06] <imbrandon> true
[13:09] <imbrandon> carstenh: btw, thanks :)
[13:25] <slytherin> imbrandon: Just FYI ... 'file -i filename' is better use of the command.
[13:27] <imbrandon> :)
[13:44] <slytherin> imbrandon: Sorry, can't help much. Here is the output from gst-launch - http://paste.ubuntu.com/421019/
[13:45] <persia> File copy is the worst part: data+music >> 200MB
[13:45] <imbrandon> slytherin: ok thanks a ton for looking, i'll keep poking, i'm gonna beat this thing if it kills me
[13:45] <imbrandon> :)
[13:45] <slytherin> persia: Don't copy music. It is not hard dependency.
[13:46]  * slytherin will be back in half hour.
[13:46]  * persia may have published binaries by then
[13:50] <nigelbabu> .ws 26
[14:13] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: For libmetadata-extractor-java, would you please just cherrypick the changes needed to fix the FTBFS and upload rather than sync all the changes.
[14:14] <ScottK> (sync is good for Maverick)
[14:20] <persia> slytherin: http://people.ubuntu.com/~persia/wesnoth-1.8/
[14:35] <slytherin> persia: Thanks. I am updating some CD images. After that I will download the packages.
[14:35] <persia> Heh, OK.  Dunno if you want the debug packages or the music, but just in case :)
[14:38] <slytherin> persia: Nope. Just core + data + campaigns.
[14:39] <persia> slytherin: If it works, please ACK the sync rather than telling me, to save time :)
[14:39] <slytherin> persia: But I am not part of release team. :-)
[14:39] <slytherin> I will add comment on bug.
[14:39] <persia> slytherin: and subscribe the archive-admins.
[14:40] <persia> It's just two cherrypicks from upstream.
[14:41] <persia> (upstream bugs 15716 15865)
[14:41] <persia> So since it's bugfix-only, no release-team ACK required (although the archive-admins may not prioritse it)
[14:42] <slytherin> My bad. Actually I was assuming it to be a new upstream version (with appropriate FFE data available).
[14:43] <persia> No, just fixes.  Otherwise I wouldn't waste time on it this close to release :)
[14:43] <slytherin> :-)
[14:47] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, ok (about cherrypicking the fix for libmetadata-extractor-java)
[14:47] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Thanks.
[15:56] <mok0> ls -Fart
[15:56] <hyperair> mok0++
[15:56] <mok0> hyperair!
[15:56] <hyperair> mok0!
[15:57] <mok0> My mouse is focus confused
[15:57] <hyperair> focus confused?
[15:58] <mok0> Uhm yes it was focused Pidgin and not terminator
[15:59] <hyperair> =O
[15:59] <hyperair> mok0: i thought that was intentional
[15:59] <hyperair> i mean -Fart sounds like an awesome flag combination ;-)
[15:59] <mok0> hyperair: Indeed :-)
[16:00] <persia> It'S both memorable and useful
[16:00] <mok0> hyperair: it could be the start of a great meme
[16:00] <hyperair> mok0: submit it to the xkcd author, maybe he'll think of something =p
[16:00] <mok0> hyperair: heh, can you do that?
[16:01] <hyperair> mok0: i don't know =\
[16:01] <mok0> hyperair: but... but.. but... he so KNOWN!
[16:01] <mok0> :-)
[16:02] <hyperair> mok0: to me, you're a celebrity too =p
[16:02] <mok0> hyperair: what are you trying to achieve :-)
[16:02]  * hyperair whistles and walks away
[16:02] <mok0> hehe
[16:06]  * hyperair makes a tomboy note: flattery does not work on mok0 ;-)
[16:06] <ScottK> Stuff like this is why I always minimize my IRC window before typing passwords now.
[16:06] <mok0> Tomboy eh? I'm a Zim man myself
[16:07] <mok0> ScottK, I did that once
[16:07] <mok0> My best password, too
[16:08] <ScottK> Fortunately mine wasn't.  It was just my Skype password.
[16:08] <ScottK> (emphasis on was)
[16:08] <mok0> ScottK, ah yes, low grade ones
[16:09] <mok0> Well, people should run john the ripper on their /etc/password files once in a while. It's an enlightening experience
[16:10] <hyperair> mok0: me too. i dumped it out on #ck on oftc >_>
[16:10] <mok0> :-/
[16:11] <hyperair> thankfully, since firefox keeps track ofm y passwords, i just had to do a search and change passwords on all the sites that used it.
[16:11] <hyperair> (it would be awesome if chromium could do the same)
[16:11] <mok0> hyperair: keep track of passwords? It can
[16:11] <hyperair> mok0: searching, no.
[16:12] <mok0> ah
[16:12] <hyperair> mok0: anyway isn't john the ripper supposed to operate on /etc/shadow?
[16:13] <mok0> hyperair: can't remember
[16:13] <mok0> hyperair: I think it operates on whatever you give it
[16:13] <hyperair> heh i see
[16:13]  * hyperair tries
[16:13] <mok0> But tbh I can't remember given it's been more that a few days since I ran it last
[16:14] <mok0> About the length of my memory span
[16:14] <mok0> :)
[16:51] <micahg> bdrung: how did you upload vlc-1ubuntu1 without it hitting Debian first?
[16:52] <bdrung> micahg: vlc -1 is just waiting for a sponsor
[16:52] <bdrung> micahg: git makes it possible ;)
[16:53] <micahg> bdrung: k, thanks, one less package for me to worry about this weekend :)
[16:53] <bdrung> :)
[17:14] <ScottK> FYI, keep uploading stuff, but we need to hold off accepting Universe packages until after the current language pack export gets built down.
[18:47] <mdeslaur> ScottK: can I upload xchat to fix a FTBFS?
[18:48] <ScottK> mdeslaur: Definitely.
[18:48] <mdeslaur> ScottK: cool
[18:51] <micahg> ScottK: is Sunday ok for Seamonkey upload?
[18:52] <ScottK> micahg: Assuming it meets the criteria for an update this late in the cycle and it's not on any ISO, yes.
[18:52] <micahg> ScottK: you approved teh FFe
[18:52] <ScottK> micahg: Sooner the better.
[18:53] <micahg> ScottK: will try for early Sunday then
[19:28] <didrocks> ScottK: can you accept the new quickly version, please? (not sure I have to bother you each time ;))
[19:29] <ScottK> didrocks: We're waiting for the language pack export to finish before accepting more Universe packages.  That's another ~7 hours.
[19:29] <ScottK> No need to ping every time
[19:30] <didrocks> ScottK: ok, make sense. And thanks for the info, I'll avoid to ping you everytime so ;)
[19:31] <didrocks> I'm never sure in freeze period about what's the process, everything uploaded to universe is still accepted until final?
[19:33] <ScottK> It'll be reviewed.
[19:58] <ajmitch> morning
[19:59] <sistpoty> hey ajmitch
[19:59]  * ajmitch needs to compile stuff, it's cold this morning
[20:02] <geser> :)
[20:09] <ScottK> Excellent.  We need more fixed.
[20:09] <ScottK> ed/es
[20:10]  * sistpoty bangs his head against abiword
[20:16] <ivoks> ScottK: thanks ;)
[20:31] <imbrandon> moins ajmitch
[22:17] <mcas> hi
[22:17] <mcas> can someone give me a hint how i can make a selection like in the postfix package and depending on this selection change the pre-depends of the package?
[22:18] <sistpoty> mcas: what do you want to achieve?
[22:19] <sistpoty> (ooo upgrade path is fixed, should hit mirrors in several hours, if that's what you're trying to achieve)
[22:20] <mcas> there is a bug in bacula-server... this package needs mysql-server but the mysql-server gets started after bacula wants to create the db...
[22:21] <mcas> but it is possible that you want to use another mysql-server so i would like to build a selection like "localhost, remote server" and if the user selects localhost the mysql-server has to be started before bacula wants to connect
[22:23] <sistpoty> mcas: that should be best fixed within dbconfig-common, I guess
[22:24] <sistpoty> (I think there's also a bug report mentioning this)
[22:29] <sistpoty> bug #563039 fwiw
[22:40] <psusi> isn't there a bzr command to export a tarball?
[22:44]  * psusi facepalms... I swear bzr exort was the first thing I tried.... must have mistyped it
[23:01] <persia> sistpoty: I don't have any of the leftover files from openal-soft currently.  The ABI change was just new symbols added: no drops: it *ought* work with existing clients (and worked with torcs).  The test case failed.  I can regenerate, but with other things, this will probably be 12-18 hours at least.
[23:01] <persia> Err, the test case failed with the in-archive stuff, and succeeded with the update, rather.
[23:02] <sistpoty> persia: I'd like to take a glimpse at it to see the amount of changed symbols (and I'd still like to see the full debdiff, we need a package ready to go out *now*)...
[23:02] <sistpoty> persia: however my gut feeling is that we'll need to defer it to sru past release
[23:04] <sistpoty> persia: oh, and thanks for your input, any good input for FFe's is always appreciated :)
[23:04] <persia> sistpoty: Isn't it tricky to do in SRU?
[23:05]  * persia is not yet awake enough to remember why, but remembers YokoZar mentioning some issues in the comments.
[23:05] <sistpoty> persia: cherry-picked fixes shouldn't be tricky to SRU? and I guess updating ia32-libs from the fixes should also be trivial
[23:06] <persia> OK, if you're comfortable.  ia32-libs is ugly enough I don't really like the idea of SRUing it, but that's a release/sru team decision :)
[23:07] <sistpoty> persia: well, I'm not -sru, but I think if fixes are cherry-picked (instead of a huge diff), -sru won't object much ;)
[23:08] <persia> I think cherrypicking would be painful: there's heaps of changes.
[23:09] <sistpoty> persia: a heap of changes also makes it imho a bad idea to bring in now for lucid :(
[23:10] <sistpoty> apt-cache rdepends libopenal1 | wc -l => 45
[23:11] <persia> Yeah :/
[23:11] <persia> It's bad either way.
[23:12] <persia> My reasoning for pre-release is mostly: 1) upstream seems to care, and it makes them happy and 2) saves users downloading ia32-libs twice.
[23:12]  * ScottK thinks if cherry picking were going to happen we'd have an SRU for Karmic already
[23:12]  * persia suspects that's the case
[23:13] <ScottK> sistpoty: I'd suggest we need to make a decision about leaving it like it is or updating.  I don't think a hypothetical cherrypick is a realistic expectation.
[23:15] <sistpoty> ScottK: I'm not comfortable to give an ack for any library with rdepends where I didn't see a symbol diff, a proposed debdiff, and a diff of headers (which I usually take from rebuilding the package myself) at this point
[23:15] <ScottK> OK.  That sounds like a lot less work that a cherrypick later.
[23:17] <crimsun> sistpoty: if you're still following abiword, there are at least two commits that need to be applied; the xmlparsercleanup and gobject init ones
[23:17] <persia> sistpoty: Fair.  I'll try to produce those later.
[23:17]  * persia wishes YokoZar was about
[23:17] <sistpoty> crimsun: yes, still looking at it
[23:18] <sistpoty> crimsun: thanks for the info
[23:18] <crimsun> the former is known to cause Bad Things (pulseaudio is almost always blamed, but it ain't PA's fault but the app that abuses xmlParserCleanup() )
[23:18] <crimsun> I started looking at abiword last night, but I ran out of disk space
[23:19]  * sistpoty only managed to do two rebuilds so far :/
[23:20] <sistpoty> oh, abisource is back online, finally :)
[23:45] <sistpoty> crimsun: any pointers about the xmlpasercleanup patch? can't find xmlParserCleanup in the source or the debdiff


[01:02] <Ermott> This is the first time i've ever chatted on irc WHILE the install is running. You guys are amazing.
[01:03] <knome> Ermott, thanks. hope you have fun with your new installation
[01:04] <Ermott> I think I will, th this.is the latest 1010, I have 910 on another computer, this version is already hugely better. Thanks for all the work that went into
[01:09] <Ermott> and i see the poulsbo videocard issue has been dealt with, this acer booted with proper graphics, it always needed tweaking after with other
[01:09] <Ermott> versions of xubuntu before.
[01:10] <knome> mmhmm - things get better over time, especially with input coming in from users
[01:11] <Ermott> You have no idea how absolutely satisfied I am with this version, and I've only just begun installing it. such an improvement
[01:11] <knome> good to hear that
[01:12] <Ermott> gotta restart, thanks again everyone, from vancouver island bc canada
[01:12] <knome> have fun!
[02:04] <rtdos> 2 questions: what happened to xdm and is there a desktop similar to the one on MacOS?
[03:12] <linuxman410> will xubuntu run on asus eeepc with 512 ram and 4gig ssd drive
[03:14] <bazhang> sure
[03:14] <bazhang> I've run the full gnome on it
[03:14] <linuxman410> on a 701
[03:14] <bazhang> better to switch out the ram module for 1GB at least though
[03:15] <bazhang> yep, what I have
[03:15] <linuxman410> but it will still run with 512
[03:15] <bazhang> netbook remix fits the screen better
[03:15] <bazhang> sure
[03:15] <linuxman410> r u running 10.10
[03:15] <bazhang> on the eeepc?
[03:16] <linuxman410> yeah
[03:16] <bazhang> not used it for awhile so no
[03:16] <bazhang> probably 9.10
[03:16] <bazhang> 10.10 will be a huge improvement
[03:16] <linuxman410> have u ever tried jolicloud
[03:17] <bazhang> no
[03:17] <bazhang> I run it with gnome, and then save everything to a usb stick. otherwise the ssd gets full too fast
[03:18] <bazhang> xfce4 will run fine though
[03:18] <bazhang> if you want really lightweight there is lxde and openbox (lubuntu)
[03:18] <bazhang> chromium is the default browser, and its tons lighter and faster than gnome/xfce4
[03:20] <bazhang> the problem with non-netbook versions is the original eeepc has such a weird/small screen resolution and size
[03:20] <bazhang> 800*640
[03:41] <wo0f> why should i keep using xubuntu over ubuntu for vm?
[03:45] <wo0f> sorry sorry
[03:45] <wo0f> wrong question
[03:45] <wo0f> should i use 64bit for virtualbox vm?
[10:19] <pete_> hi
[10:20] <pete_> how do I search for files?
[10:21] <ablomen> pete_, Under Accessoires there's an application called catfish, you can use that to search files
[12:27] <q_a_z_steve> hey, all I need to do to move the grub menu order around is "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" right?
[12:27] <q_a_z_steve> because I'm not supposed to edit grub.cfg...
[12:43] <ArMo3> When I boot, I get the error message Analog out of range
[12:43] <ArMo3> somesuch like 60 Hz or whatever
[13:44] <Yutaka> please, o que falta aki http://paste.ubuntu.com/555778/
[13:45] <Yutaka> O.o fail channel
[13:45] <Yutaka> sorry
[15:55] <frenzz> hello, i'm trying to umont flash card but it's busy, trying "sudo kill pid 2120" - process, but get "ERROR: garbage process ID "pid"."
[15:59] <frenzz> forget, need umount sde4, but get " device is busy ..lsof(8) of fuser(1)"
[16:00] <frenzz> how trace process that need to kill ?
[16:03] <ShootEmUp> hello everyone
[16:08] <frenzz> solved..
[16:08] <ShootEmUp> frenzz: ummm, what?
[17:59] <bigbrovar> HI guys. Got a quick question. Does xubuntu come bundled with pulse audio?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:00] <charlie-tca> !pulseaudio
[19:26] <n2diy> Can you do a dual boot install from the alternate CD?
[19:27] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Just manually partition so you don't overwrite the existing partition
[20:51] <skrite> hello all
[22:19]  * rtdos is away: I'm away (gone at 19th Jan, 15:18:58)
[22:20] <charlie-tca> !away > rtdos`away
[22:58]  * rtdos`away is away: I'm away
[22:59] <charlie-tca> rtdos`away: please turn off the away messages
[22:59] <rtdos`away> sorry,  i just installed a script in xchat and i thought i had away announce disabled.
[23:33] <dvanstone> hey
[23:36] <xGrind> how do I update xfce 4.6.2 to 4.8 on xubuntu?
[23:36] <charlie-tca> at this time, run natty, the xubuntu development version
[23:47] <wieshka> hey there - what is default DISPLAY ID in Xubuntu ?
[23:48] <wieshka> by exporting DISPLAY=":0.0" it returns
[23:48] <wieshka> that it is unable to open display
[23:50] <bazhang> !away > rtdos_AFK
[23:50] <charlie-tca> bazhang: that's three warnings for rtdos_AFK today
[23:51] <bazhang> charlie-tca, six actually
[23:51] <charlie-tca> oh... three in here
[23:51] <bazhang> seven then, four in the last two minutes
[23:52] <Dekkard> exit
[23:57] <rtdos_AFK> sorry guys, i was setting my xchat scripts up i thought i had announcements turned off.
[23:58] <charlie-tca> In xchat, Settings -> Preferences -> General
[23:59] <charlie-tca> uncheck "announce away messages


[12:18] <cmaloney> morning
[14:25] <shakes808> morning
[14:26] <rick_h> morning
[20:23] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2017/01/30/open-metalcast-episode-147-salt-the-earth/
[20:57] <Dekkard> its all aboot the Mahtay


[03:37] <CarlFK> why doesn't $url expand in d-i network-console/authorized_keys_url string http://$url/ec/ssh/authorized_keys


[19:43] <Keybuk> jhunt_, SpamapS: one for your cookbook:
[19:44] <Keybuk> thing.conf:
[19:44] <Keybuk>   start on <some event>
[19:44] <Keybuk>   script
[19:44] <Keybuk>     :
[19:44] <Keybuk>   end script
[19:44] <Keybuk> thing-sync.conf:
[19:44] <Keybuk>   start on <some other event> and stopped thing
[19:44] <Keybuk>   task
[19:44] <Keybuk> --
[19:44] <Keybuk> especially useful when <some other event> is "starting"
[21:09] <peregrine81> can anyone tell me whats wrong with this upstart script?? http://pastie.org/1769214 ubuntu 10.04, upstart 0.6.5
[21:26] <ion> What’s ‘2>&1i’?
[22:15] <Keybuk> ion: a sure sign of a vi user
[22:15] <ion> hehe
[22:16] <ion> FWIW, i don’t remember ever adding ‘i’s into files by mistake.
[22:17] <ion> It’s probably not even my most frequent command for switching into insert mode.


[11:26] <gmb> Dear gods, our mail notification system is utterly arcane.
[11:27] <gmb> I feel like reimplementing it in Haskell just to make it make sense.
[11:32] <danilos> heh, surprise-surprise
[11:33] <danilos> if you said something like "reimplementing it in brainfuck to make it make sense", *then* I'd be worried :)
[12:53] <gary_poster> benji, hi.  I was just thinking about your proposed wording.  I don't feel fantastic, but better than I did yesterday afternoon anyway, so maybe my head is a bit clearer.  My concern is that we need to convey that we are not stopping *all* emails from the team subscription, but *your* emails from the team subscriptions.
[12:53] <gary_poster> "Stop emails from this subscription" does not convey this to me--it is ambiguous/confusing.  "Do not receive emails from this subscription" conveys the right message to me.
[12:53] <gary_poster> Perhaps your version could be adjusted to accommodate this concern.  "Stop your emails from this subscription" might be OK.
[12:55] <benji> yeah, I had the same thought but figured context was enough to clarify; I'll add the "your" in there.
[13:10] <gmb> benji, gary_poster: If we're at all unclear about fuzzy wording I usually find mrevell to be good sounding board.
[13:11] <gary_poster> gmb, agreed.
[13:25] <gary_poster> bac, benji, danilos, gmb: please check over your kanban.  call soon.
[13:26] <gmb> Ok
[13:27] <danilos> ack
[13:27] <benji> gary_poster: are comments on cards readily visible to you?
[13:28] <gary_poster> benji, no.  if comments are important, maybe mention it in title ("see comments")
[13:28] <benji> they're not at the moment, but it seemed like a good place to put micro status updates
[13:29] <gary_poster> ack
[13:30] <benji> it would be nice if there were a chronological log of board activity that one could read to see what's happened lately
[13:30] <danilos> gary_poster, my mic has stopped working as well (I did play with settings this morning, loaded/unloaded kernel modules, so this time, a reboot *should* help)
[13:30]  * danilos goes for a reboot
[13:30] <gary_poster> ok
[13:32]  * gary_poster waiting for danilos, in case anyone is wondering
[13:32] <gary_poster> benji, there's an email interface...there's also supposed to be an RSS interface but I can't get it working yet, after seconds of trying.  See the Options tab.
[13:32] <benji> gary_poster: oh, there is a log: http://launchpad.leankitkanban.com/Boards/History/14028610
[13:33] <benji> but it doesn't seem to inlcude comments
[13:35] <danilos> gary_poster, ready
[13:37] <bac> sorry i'm muted and can't get it back
[13:37] <bac> gary_poster: ^^
[13:40] <danilos> I can hear you guys
[13:40] <danilos> gary_poster, ^
[13:41] <danilos> gary_poster, tests branch is getting up for review RSN, I'll be going on to descriptions stuff
[13:41] <danilos> gary_poster, it seems to be only volume related now :)
[13:42] <danilos> gary_poster, also, QA for "Add a subscriber" link is done, but that's obvious on the board I suppose, it also landed on both devel/db-devel which I assume you've seen as well :)
[13:43] <danilos> byeeeee :)
[13:45] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:45] <gary_poster> danilos, we never actually heard your voice
[13:45] <gary_poster> is that because when you turned your mic on and all our ears turned to jelly from the sound of the ocean you decided not to talk?
[13:46] <gary_poster> or because the mic is broken?
[13:46] <danilos> gary_poster, the "vumeter" in sound preferences seemed to pick it up correctly, but just the ocean was going the other way through skype I suppose :)
[13:46] <gary_poster> yeah, as far as we could tell :-)
[13:55] <danilos> gary_poster, ok, figured out the problem, the new headset mic has an on-off button that I left at off, skype test call sounds pretty good now
[13:56] <gary_poster> awesome danilos.  Is this the new-new more expensive headset, or the merely-new cheaper headset?
[13:57] <danilos> gary_poster, the cheaper one, I never heard back from the guys where I ordered the more expensive one (it's probably the usual Serbian thing: they list it on the web site, but never actually stock it)
[13:57] <gary_poster> :-/
[13:57] <gary_poster> but good news that the cheaper one is working :-)
[13:57] <danilos> so, I'll probably have to drop by a few stores to pick one up
[13:58] <gary_poster> k
[13:58] <danilos> gary_poster, heh, well, it's still a combination, headphone out is not working yet (apparently, one has to set a custom option for snd-hda-intel module, but the first attempt didn't work so I gave up on that :)
[13:58] <gary_poster> heh
[13:59] <gary_poster> ...so you are still motivated to get a replacement.  gotcha. :-)
[13:59] <danilos> yeah
[14:27] <gmb> Wow: OSError: Could not allocate memory
[14:27] <gmb> Could be something to do with the 22 librarian instances hanging around for no good reason.
[14:31] <gary_poster> heh
[14:31] <gary_poster> gmb, Skype whenever you are ready.
[14:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Sure. Just give me a sec...
[14:32] <gary_poster> cool
[15:08] <gary_poster> https://staging.launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscriptions
[15:10] <gmb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haveged/+bug/569369
[15:10] <_mup_> Bug #569369: package haveged 0.9-1 failed to install/upgrade: podproces instalovaný post-installation skript vrátil chybový status 1 <apport-package> <i386> <lucid> <pkg-auto-install-tester> <haveged (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <haveged (Debian):Unknown> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/569369 >
[15:11] <bac> benji: didn't you do the work for bug 742490 already?
[15:11] <_mup_> Bug #742490: HTML is constructed using string concatenation in the structural subscription JS. <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/742490 >
[15:11] <benji> looking
[15:12] <benji> bac: yep, it had an ec2 land failure that I'm investigating today
[15:14] <bac> benji: ok, i was just wondering as there is a card in the backlog
[15:15] <benji> bac: I wasn't aware of that one; I'll move it to the right place.
[15:16] <benji> thanks
[15:22] <danilos> gary_poster, in our call, we can discuss next steps for the descriptions stuff
[15:22] <gary_poster> yay! :-)
[15:32] <danilos> gary_poster, ready when you are (if it's the call time)
[15:32] <gary_poster> it is, was finishing email 1 sec
[15:56] <gary_poster> BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications
[15:56] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications/DirectSubscriptionsOnBug
[16:29] <gary_poster> benji, you won't be able to land your branch as you list it
[16:29] <gary_poster> lp:~gary/launchpad/muteteamsub-ui is on db-devel
[16:29] <gary_poster> and you want to land on devel
[16:29] <gary_poster> maybe you already handled that
[16:29] <gary_poster> I didn't read the cover letter, sorry
[16:29] <benji> yeah, I figured that out; I think I can retarget to devel relatively easily
[16:30] <gary_poster> I'm not sure what your plan is, but plans that I would come up with would probably require me to merge with db-devel to resolve conflicts
[16:31] <gary_poster> I won't worry about it now, though, since you are aware of it :-)
[16:43] <benji> gary_poster: ok, my idea didn't work; it's a trainwreck; taking lunch now and I'll ask about other options afterward
[16:44] <gary_poster> benji, ok :-)
[16:55]  * gmb -> nipping to the post office. back shortly
[17:03] <bac> hi benji, i was looking at bug 750568 you reported about the tags entry being to big.
[17:03] <_mup_> Bug #750568: Tags text box is very wide on the subscription add/edit overlay/ <story-better-bug-notification> <Bugzilla Launchpad Plugin:Invalid> <Launchpad itself:Confirmed for bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/750568 >
[17:03] <bac> benji: i've looked at safari, ff on os x, and ff on ubuntu and i don't see anything obviously wrong
[17:04] <bac> do you still see the problem or am i on the wrong track?
[17:44] <benji> bac: Firefox 4: http://i.imgur.com/1MBpV.png
[17:44] <benji> that's on prod
[17:46] <bac> benji, it must be FF4 on ubuntu -- a combination i haven't tried
[17:46] <bac> ff4 on os x doesn't show the problem
[17:46] <bac> but, heck
[17:46] <bac> i'll bring in the size of the text box a bit
[17:47] <benji> browsers hate us
[17:47] <bac> i've been reluctant to upgrade to ff4 since deryck said windmill has problems with it
[17:47] <bac> i'll try on another machine
[18:11] <benji> gary_poster: if I elect to merge into lp:launchpad/db-devel I don't get any conflicts; is that an OK thing to do?
[18:11] <gary_poster> benji, no
[18:11] <benji> darn
[18:12] <gary_poster> well, I need to load context again, but I don't think so
[18:12] <benji> gary_poster: MP in question: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/add-edit-tests/+merge/56806
[18:12] <gary_poster> benji, let's say "very much not ideal but acceptable in dire straits"
[18:12] <gary_poster> but I don't think these are dire straits
[18:13] <gary_poster> here's what I suggest
[18:13] <benji> heh
[18:13] <gary_poster> make a branch of just the parts of what I did that really should have landed on devel
[18:14] <gary_poster> merge that into devel.  Out of paranoia, I would suggest that you also merge into db-devel and land, because otherwise bzr might get confused.
[18:14] <gary_poster> make your branch dependeny on that other branch
[18:14] <gary_poster> land it
[18:15] <gary_poster> mm
[18:15] <gary_poster> you may need to get a patch of your branch and land it
[18:15] <gary_poster> ignoring your current branch
[18:15] <gary_poster> I understand that's annoying but that's probably what I would do
[18:15] <benji> that (the patch bit)  wouldn't be hard
[18:16] <gary_poster> If I were to think that it was super annoying, what would I do...
[18:16] <benji> can you elaborate on what "merge that into devel" means?  Is that outside of the normal landing mechanism?
[18:16] <gary_poster> no, normal
[18:16] <gary_poster> my UI branch includes db patches
[18:17] <gary_poster> from a dependency
[18:17] <benji> oh; and since the same changes have been made to devel and db-devel when they're merged they'll combine happily (i.e., they won't conflict)
[18:17] <gary_poster> so you really can't land a branch that directly bases itself
[18:17] <gary_poster> right
[18:17] <gmb> gary_poster: Do you have time for a quick call about bug 424849?
[18:17] <_mup_> Bug #424849: Launchpad should batch attachment notification emails <lp-bugs> <story-better-bug-notification> <story-better-notification-sending> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by gmb> <apport (Ubuntu):Invalid> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/424849 >
[18:17] <gary_poster> sure gmb.  1 sec
[18:17] <gmb> Cool.
[18:17] <benji> ok; I'll start on generating a non-DB parts branch of lp:~gary/launchpad/muteteamsub-ui
[18:18] <gary_poster> benji, not just non-DB but non-mute
[18:18] <gary_poster> you only want the test refactoring bits
[18:18] <benji> ah, ok
[18:18] <benji> that should make it easier
[18:18] <gary_poster> otherwise things would be nasty, I suspect
[18:18] <benji> the test refactorings were quite good, by the way
[18:19] <gary_poster> cool, thanks benji
[18:19] <gary_poster> gmb, here
[18:19] <gmb> gary_poster: Cool. Skype?
[18:19] <gary_poster> Skype version of here
[18:19] <gary_poster> yeah :-)
[18:33] <gmb> gary_poster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/31586
[18:33] <_mup_> Bug #31586: Malone comments are sent in email and forge the address of the person who filed them <email> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/31586 >
[19:31] <gary_poster> bac, ready on Skype whenever you are. no rush.
[19:31] <bac> gary_poster: dial at will
[19:58] <benji> gary_poster: do you want to review the "copy db-devel refactorings to devel" branch?  The code itself has been reviewed already of course, but I just want a double-check that it makes sense
[19:59] <gary_poster> sure, benji.
[19:59] <gary_poster> where do I sign up? :-)
[19:59] <benji> I've already verified that the patch that contains my new tests applies cleanly to the branch and they all pass.
[19:59] <gary_poster> awesome
[19:59] <benji> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/ss-test-refactorings/+merge/56826
[20:01] <gary_poster> benji, line 96 does not look familiar (doesn't mean I think it's bad, just don't know what it does)...(still looking)
[20:01]  * benji looks
[20:02] <benji> hmm, not there but in another place that line got duplicated somehow
[20:03] <gary_poster> line 154 seems to dupe the line before it
[20:03] <gary_poster> (154 of diff)
[20:04] <gary_poster> 179 also
[20:04] <gary_poster> benji ^^^ those three things.  other than that, looks good to me
[20:04] <benji> gary_poster: fixed and pushed
[20:04] <gary_poster> cool
[20:06] <gary_poster> benji, I approved in anticipation of the diff, which has not yet showed up :-)
[20:06] <benji> so trusting
[20:08] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:21] <bac> gary_poster: the fix i landed for bug 751397 is an improvement but is not sufficient.
[20:21] <_mup_> Bug #751397: Structural subscription overlay sometimes rendering incorrectly on the page not as an overlay <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/751397 >
[20:22] <gary_poster> bac, ...for another problem?
[20:22] <bac> gary_poster: it does no harm but isn't a complete solution.  i'd like to make it as qa-ok so that it does not have to be reverted and then fix it completely in a follow-up
[20:22] <gary_poster> bac, +1
[20:22] <bac> thx
[20:22] <gary_poster> make a new bug, and make this bug address what you fixed, maybe?
[20:22] <bac> yeah.
[21:02] <gary_poster> benji, finishing an email, with you in a sec
[21:02] <benji> k
[21:09] <bac> gary_poster: i'm going to be offline for a while but will continue working the bug i just filed
[21:09] <gary_poster> cool bac
[22:37] <gary_poster> night all


[05:19] <Kilos> morning all
[06:25] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos good morning sir
[06:25] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:26] <inetpro> good morning everyone else
[07:12] <nuvolari> calling all xml fundi'
[07:12] <nuvolari> how do I replace an invisible Â(?!) using xslt?
[07:13] <nuvolari> when using hexcurses, it's displaying as 00C2
[07:45] <superfly> nuvolari: search for \u00C2 ?
[09:45] <queery> is anyone else having problems with twitter?
[09:46] <queery> I cant send tweets from tweetdeck or from the twitter page
[11:10] <zeref-Lap> whew, finally got myself a switch
[11:11] <zeref-Lap> now i can connect my debian and buntu box :-)
[16:17] <nlsthzn_> Hi all... informal meeting time :p
[16:17] <kbmonkey> hi :)
[16:17]  * nlsthzn_ is @ work FTR... so will be up and down and all around
[16:17] <nlsthzn_> hey kbmonkey .... just checked the mail to see when I should be here... and now I am :)
[16:18] <nlsthzn_> on web chat (that sucks but nvrmind)
[16:18] <kbmonkey> good good!
[16:18] <kbmonkey> made it a wide window so people can pop in and out
[16:19] <nlsthzn_> I noticed :)
[16:20] <nlsthzn_> Anything happen yet or still waiting for some action?
[16:21] <kbmonkey> probably the 'quiet before the storm'
[16:21] <kbmonkey> ##linux-studies
[16:23] <nlsthzn_> oh crap... I am in the wrong channel... haha
[16:23] <nlsthzn_> join #linux-studies
[16:23] <kbmonkey> must be busy at work ;)
[16:23] <nlsthzn_> fail\
[16:30] <zeref-Lap> tumbleweed: i've managed to connect my two  boxes together (debian server and ubuntu box) via a switch
[16:30] <zeref-Lap> the buntu box gets an ip from the deb box, but no internet...
[16:33] <nlsthzn_> Maaz: tea please sir.
[16:33] <Maaz> nlsthzn_: *blink*
[16:33] <nlsthzn_> Maaz: tea please?
[16:33] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[16:33] <nlsthzn_> Maaz: kettle on!
[16:33] <Maaz> nlsthzn_: Huh?
[16:33] <nlsthzn_> Maaz: Please?!
[16:33] <Maaz> nlsthzn_: Excuse me?
[16:33] <nlsthzn_> Exactly
[16:35] <kbmonkey> he's stubborn
[16:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[16:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:37] <zeref-Lap> here is the isc dhcpd config file: http://pastebin.com/JrhVt6Wj
[16:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[16:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz ty
[16:41] <Maaz> You are welcome kbmonkey
[16:42] <nlsthzn_> Maaz: are you a bot?
[16:42] <Maaz> nlsthzn_: What?
[16:42] <nlsthzn_> Maaz: A pirate?
[16:42] <Maaz> nlsthzn_: *blink*
[16:42] <kbmonkey> trying to setup internet proxy zeref-Lap ?
[16:44] <zeref-Lap> hi kbmonkey: a dhcp severver
[16:45] <kbmonkey> probably seen this, but in case: http://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server
[16:48] <zeref-Lap> yep had a look at it
[16:48] <nlsthzn_> o/ to uncle Kilos
[16:48] <Kilos> lo nlsthzn and others
[16:48] <kbmonkey> o/
[16:49] <zeref-Lap> some folks suggested ths: http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/02/something-wicked-happened-resolving-no.html
[16:49] <zeref-Lap> ki Kilos
[16:49] <Kilos> sorry I'm late. irc didnt wanna connect
[16:49] <Kilos> hiya zeref-Lap
[16:50] <zeref-Lap> but i think the error is server side
[16:50] <kbmonkey> :(
[16:50] <zeref-Lap> hoping tumbleweed will be around
[16:52] <tumbleweed> zeref-Lap: I wouldn't bother with a massive dhcp-server, dhnsmasq should be all you need
[16:52] <tumbleweed> and, then o fcourse you need to enable masquerading on the gateway
[16:53] <zeref-Lap> will dnsmasq be ok if i connect 3 other machines?
[16:54] <Tonberry> funny these days that massive dhcp server means something that uses less resources than my chat client...
[16:54] <tumbleweed> zeref-Lap: yes
[16:54] <tumbleweed> Tonberry: sure, but dhnsmasq is much easier to set up
[16:54] <Tonberry> yes
[16:54] <tumbleweed> it's just one program that does everything...
[16:55] <zeref-Lap> k, i'll give it a go. thanks
[16:55] <Tonberry> i did it the hard way with bind and isc-dhcp and i can confirm dnsmasq is a lot less effort
[16:56] <zeref-Lap> so then when will dhcp-server be > dnsmasq
[16:58] <tumbleweed> when you have 500 machines spread over 10 subnets?
[16:58] <tumbleweed> (ok, maybe 50)
[16:59] <tumbleweed> orif you like ISC software (which most sane people don't)
[16:59] <zeref-Lap> lol
[16:59] <zeref-Lap> k
[18:17] <WOLFEYES> Sorry I'm late, good evening all.
[18:17] <Kilos> hiya WOLFEYES
[18:18] <WOLFEYES> Heya Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> WOLFEYES,  go /j ##linux-studies
[18:18] <WOLFEYES> Is everything finished already?
[18:18] <Kilos> nope
[18:19] <WOLFEYES> ty Kilos
[18:19] <Kilos> yw
[18:20] <Kilos> nuvolari, meeting
[18:24] <zeref-Lap> linux-studies?
[18:25] <Kilos> yip zeref-Lap type in /j ##linux-studies
[18:25] <Kilos> thats where the lpi course is gonna be
[18:27] <magespawn> Howdy all
[18:27] <Kilos> magespawn,  ##linux-studies
[18:28] <Kilos> evening
[18:28] <WOLFEYES> heya magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> Squirm, you not joining us?
[18:37] <superfly> naandsê oom Kilos
[18:37] <Kilos> naand superfly
[18:37] <nlsthzn_> hey mr superfly .... ##linux-studies
[18:38] <Kilos> ons is by ##linux-studies
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <Squirm> Kilos: for what"
[18:45] <Squirm> ?
[18:45] <Squirm> but no, I need sleep, had a bad night last night
[18:45] <WOLFEYES> sorry to hear Squirm
[18:45] <Kilos> meeting on what kbmonkey is gonna teach with regards to lpi and php i think
[18:45] <kbmonkey> Kilos et all, let's make that #linux-studies
[18:45] <WOLFEYES> for linux studies
[18:45] <nlsthzn_> php?
[18:46] <kbmonkey> me? teach? ha ha ha *squirms*
[18:46] <Squirm> I'd love to get LPIC, hopefully this year
[18:46] <kbmonkey> online self study-group
[18:46] <superfly> PHP? eish
[18:46] <kbmonkey> me too Squirm
[18:47] <inetpro> superfly: I'm sure you'll get your opportunity to teach us python :-)
[18:49] <Squirm> kbmonkey: I'm going to go for my RHCSA and RHCE this year
[18:49]  * nlsthzn_ would like to learn python
[18:49] <Squirm> but anyways, chat tomorrow
[18:49] <WOLFEYES> cheers Squirm
[18:51] <Kilos> nlsthzn, byteofpython
[18:51] <Kilos> toods Squirm
[18:52] <nlsthzn_> Many good resources for Python at least... there is a whole Video series on MIT Open Courseware too :)
[18:58] <kbmonkey> nlsthzn I found the "Dive Into Python" ebook is really good.
[19:16] <superfly> kbmonkey: that one should only be used if you already know another programming language - if you're starting out, A Byte of Python is better
[19:23] <zeref-Lap> hmmm
[19:26] <kbmonkey> true, dive into python is good *if* you know coding practices
[21:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[21:06]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[21:07] <kbmonkey> need that caffeine hey
[21:07]  * Kilos very thirsty now
[21:07] <Kilos> lol
[21:07] <Kilos> hard work keeping up with you guys
[21:08] <kbmonkey> gn za
[21:08] <WOLFEYES> night all,
[21:10] <Kilos> Maaz, move it
[21:10] <Maaz> If I get anymore cheek Kilos you can do it yourself next time
[21:10] <Kilos> eish
[21:10]  * nlsthzn_work is making some tea
[21:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[21:10] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[21:10] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[21:11] <Kilos> you at work nlsthzn
[21:11] <Kilos> ?
[21:11] <nlsthzn_work> Yup uncle Kilos ... I am
[21:12] <Kilos> have a good night nlsthzn hope all goes well
[22:02] <inetpro> fp
[22:17] <superfly> inetpro: what are you still doing up?!


[05:46] <dholbach> good morning
[11:35] <SnowFlame> hi. I can't set JAVA_HOME, can you help me?
[11:35] <SnowFlame> I've installed sun-java6-jdk but I don't know how to set this path...
[13:52] <malick> SnowFlame what sys you are using
[13:52] <malick> try EXPORT JAVA_HOME


[11:05] <mup> PR snapd#12582 opened: cmd/snap: expose validate command <Simple 😃> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12582>
[11:43] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#80 opened: Make the gadget compatible with arm64 <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/80>
[11:45] <mup> PR snapd#12583 opened: cmd/snap: create the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR folder <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12583>
[11:55] <mup> PR snapd#12584 opened: many: Dynamic snapshot data exclusions <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12584>
[14:06] <mup> PR snapd#12585 opened: image,store,tests/lib: support for sequence forming assertions in fakestore code and tooling <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12585>
[14:11] <mup> PR snapd#12586 opened: image,tests: add spread test for verifying usage of validation-sets in the model assertion using prepare-image <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12586>
[14:41] <mup> PR snapd#12581 closed: release: 2.58.3 <Squash-merge> <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12581>
[14:56] <mup> PR snapd#12587 opened: packaging: merge 2.58.1 changelog back into master <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12587>
[15:51] <mup> PR snapd#12539 closed: gadget,osutil: add support for gadget's kernel-cmdline stanza <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12539>
[16:14] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#81 opened: Remove ubuntu-boot and replace with a simpler mbr <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/81>
[16:21] <mup> PR snapd#12587 closed: packaging: merge 2.58.1 changelog back into master <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12587>
[16:21] <mup> PR snapd#12588 opened: tests: fix prepare task for arch linux <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Flaky Test> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12588>
[16:26] <mup> PR snapd#12482 closed: bootloader: handle uboot with SYS_REDUNDAND_ENVIRONMENT=n <Needs Samuele review> <Created by alexclewontin> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12482>
[17:17] <mup> PR snapd#12560 closed: overlord: add kernel command line options <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12560>
[18:12] <mup> PR snapd#12589 opened: gadget: add inline crypto engine support using the device hook <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12589>
[18:14] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#80 closed: Make the gadget compatible with arm64 <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/80>


[02:40] <xrandr> x
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi alll
 Getting this error while installing Kubuntu:
 Main script file /usr/lib/x86 64 linux-gnu/calamares/modules/ automirror/main.py for python job automirror raised an exception.
 And installation fails.
 The name of the error is bad main script file.
 how to identity if a app is gtk app or qt app?
 all gtk app should look alike. I mean they will use a particular gtk theme (re @zenort: how to identity if a app is gtk app or qt app?)
[13:41] <hateball> Hmmm I am no longer able to do screen recordings with Spectacle. Using 24.04 on Wayland. Not sure when I tried this last, but I think I had the option in 23.10. There used to be a tab to switch to screen recording.
[15:50] <user|41> hello, I can't move from version 23.10 to the new version 24.04 LTS of Kubuntu. Is this normal? I followed the tutorial.
 Looks like you should wait for this release or just
 sudo do-release-upgrade -d
 But wait for stable release. (re @Omarvx211: u should wait untill 24.04.1 is out)
 didint work for me (re @mehdiMj_ir: Looks like you should wait for this release or just
 sudo do-release-upgrade -d
 But wait for stable release.)
 😔
 have you tried it?
[18:22] <tomreyn> there are some serious issues preventing upgrades to succeed - those need yet to be ironed out, which is in the works, and upgrades will be supported soon.
[18:22] <tomreyn> that's from 23.10, not 22.04
 will i get much difference if i upgraded im on 22.04 with kde back ports
[18:25] <arraybolt3> if you're on 22.04 and value stability, wait for 24.04.1 to be released.
 Yes I am (re @Omarvx211: have you tried it?)
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/878e672a/file_74914.jpg
 i will i just wanna know the way to upgrade if i wanted (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3> if you're on 22.04 and value stability, wait for 24.04.1 to be released.)
 hmmm the command didint work for me (re @mehdiMj_ir: )
 Here is an article about upgrading Ubuntu version (re @mehdiMj_ir: You could just
 sudo apt update
 sudo apt dist-upgrade
 and then
 sudo do-release-upgrade
 # if it's not available on your area yet, try


[00:07] <cmaloney> Boop
[00:53] <jrwren> Beep
[04:29] <Scary_Guy> > Windows
[04:29] <Scary_Guy> Well, I mean there's his answer
[12:49] <cmaloney> GOod morning
[13:15] <cmaloney> Happy birthday, jrwren !
[13:33] <jrwren> Thanks! It looks to be a beautiful day out there.
[13:34] <cmaloney> Definitely
[13:41] <Scary_Guy> too bright :(
[13:42] <jrwren> !bio Kaito
[13:42] <jrwren> oops, wrong window :)
[13:42] <jrwren> i like the bright. I'm a bad goth.
[13:42] <Scary_Guy> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/915/472/13e.jpg
[13:42] <jrwren> i'm more of a farmer-tan rivet head.
[13:42] <Scary_Guy> lol
[19:04] <jrwren> i have unix shell challenge, if you want it.
[19:05] <jrwren> i have a firehose of incoming data, TONS of data on a stream, so anything which waits until EOF is out of the question. I need something similar to uniq, but which remembers what it has seen and only displays new records.
[19:09] <jrwren> easy peasy.
[19:09] <jrwren> perl -ne 'if (! $seen{$_}) { print; $seen{$_}=true} '