[00:10] <basy> Hi, in systemsettings -> time... are not timezones (only one UTC) when as normal user is launched, using kdesudo systemsettings i can see all timezones... PC has correct time, but  all applets and aplications that i run as normal user has this UTC time, any ideas how to setup this please, (kubntu 9.10) ...
[00:22] <[Relic]> always plugged in the USB cable and it autodetected, in 8.04/8.10
[00:23] <KDesk> with Koffice 2.1 in KDE 4.4 (Karmic) in Kpresenter I don't the the text of the fils. Do you know the cause of a solution?
[00:26] <bjb1959__> anyone on?
[00:26] <bjb1959__> guess not
[00:30] <Guest65035> help !
[00:30] <Guest65035> kubuntu-firefox-installer:
[00:30] <Guest65035>   Depends: kdesudo (>=<IP_ADDRESS>) but <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[00:30] <Guest65035> why ?
[00:30] <FloodBotK1> Guest65035: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:07] <kaddi> hi i just did a fresh install of kubuntu (64bit, karmic). And I only get sound on flash videos. nothing else. I have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed, as well as the win64codecs and libdvdcss. I don't even get sound when I test the devices in systemsettings, but flash videos work
[01:07] <kaddi> I'm sure you can appreciate the irony on this, but i would like it fixed :p Any idea what I'm missing?
[01:08] <jdr_> hello
[01:08] <jdr_> im trying to install kubuntu
[01:09] <kaddi> hi
[01:09] <jdr_> it gets to Starting cupsd and hangs, i switch to another console...and it says authentication error
[01:09] <SysWatcher> wasssup
[01:09] <SysWatcher> jk
[01:10] <SysWatcher> Hello Everyone and thank you for joining us on this years annual stock brokers meeting
[01:10] <SysWatcher> we'd like to thank everyone for participating in the irs tax evation system
[01:10] <SysWatcher> and continue to offer support in the free willed sanctions ov the hierarchy
[01:11] <SysWatcher> That being said....let me introduce this years proxie service manager
[01:11] <SysWatcher> Annie, Anny Nonomess
[01:12] <mase_wk> are there any ops in the channel ?
[01:12] <SysWatcher> just a bot right now
[01:12] <jdr_> heh
[01:12] <kaddi> !ops
[01:12] <SysWatcher> i do this cause nobody usually answers
[01:13] <kaddi> yes, I've had the pleasure and you won't stop for three hours even if asked politely, unless a mod "requests" you leave
[01:13]  * Pici waves
[01:13] <kaddi> thank you :)
[01:13] <mase_wk> thanks
[01:15] <SysWatcher> how rude, i normally do that for 2 minutes...just to make sure people are actually alive at there computer screens...before i start asking impertenent ?'s about how my kde system never does what it needss to
[01:15] <SysWatcher> anyway
[01:15] <SysWatcher> 1 ?
[01:16] <SysWatcher> how do i get a list of mounted device (i.e. share drives) in kde
[01:16] <SysWatcher> ?
[01:17] <kaddi> mount
[01:17] <SysWatcher> no way to get a visual representation like in Gnome?
[01:18] <kaddi> no clue, never tried. you've got the device notifier perhaps?
[01:18] <94SAAJI9S> dolphin, the panel on the left should show you mounted devices
[01:18] <SysWatcher> i did try that...never seemed to show network drives...only usb/cdrom/hd's that sort of thing
[01:19] <kaddi> hi i just did a fresh install of kubuntu (64bit, karmic). And I only get sound on flash videos. nothing else. I have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed, as well as the win64codecs and libdvdcss. I don't even get sound when I test the devices in systemsettings, but flash videos work. How do i get sound for the rest of my system?
[01:20] <94SAAJI9S> I've never tried network drives
[01:21] <94SAAJI9S> you mean you have a smbfs mounted somewhere and dolphin doesn't show it?
[01:21] <94SAAJI9S> why did my nick changed to this? :(
[01:22] <SysWatcher> well i can see it...i can access it just fine...but with Gnome, it showed an icon on my desktop, in KDE i dont get any visual rep...and i cant tell if has been dismounted
[01:22] <SysWatcher> was rejected by server
[01:22] <SysWatcher> brb
[01:24] <SysWatcher> ok im back
[01:24] <SysWatcher> better
[01:25] <nbensa> SysWatcher: you can "add a folder" to that panel
[01:25] <SysWatcher> nbensa: any ideas how to turn this feature on in kde
[01:25] <SysWatcher> ?
[01:25] <SysWatcher> what panel?
[01:26] <nbensa> right click, add folder
[01:26] <SysWatcher> what good would this do me?
[01:26] <nbensa> dolphin, the panel on the left
[01:27] <nbensa> It's a shortcut. But I guess it doesn't shows you if it is mounted or not
[01:27] <SysWatcher> nope....
[01:28] <SysWatcher> i already have shortcuts om my desktop as quick connects
[01:28] <SysWatcher> i need a quick disconnect
[01:28] <letalis> has anyone else had problems with kopete not sending messages to people even though it shows on your end that it did?
[01:28] <nbensa> like a gui for umount?
[01:28] <SysWatcher> sort of....more like active icons
[01:29] <nbensa> yes. i understand, unfortunately, I think it's a missing feature
[01:29] <SysWatcher> much nicer in Gnome...i use the shortcut...it pops up as an icon...i right click on the new icon and tell it to unmount
[01:29] <nbensa> yup. like in macosx :)
[01:30] <SysWatcher> exactly
[01:30] <SysWatcher> Gnome is the same
[01:30] <SysWatcher> Kde is lacking in this department me thinks
[01:30] <nbensa> unfortunately, yes
[01:31] <SysWatcher> ok...thx for the conformation anyway...at least ill stop lookin in vain
[01:31] <nbensa> it does umount for cd and usb
[01:31] <SysWatcher> yep...just not shares drives
[01:35] <yovan> hey everybody
[01:36] <yovan> i'm new to kubuntu and wanted to know how to install eclipse
[01:37] <mase_wk> hi yovan you can install eclipse using kpackage kit
[01:57] <panicgrip> Noob question here:  Windows is to Program Files as Kubuntu is to ____________
[01:58] <panicgrip> if that's not really clear, my question is:  "what is the path to the folder where programs are installed to under a unix/linux based operating system such as Kubuntu Linux?"
[02:04] <nbensa> homework?
[02:06] <KDesk> panicgrip: it is not a single folder
[02:07] <KDesk> panicgrip: every thing is in /  (root), like /home  /boot  /media.  In /etc are the configurations, in /bin and /usr/bin are some binaries, etc.
[02:14] <analia> please any
[02:14] <analia> program for dvd rip
[02:15] <panicgrip> Have you searched in KPackageKit?
[02:15] <panicgrip> k9copy looks like it might work
[02:16] <analia> no
[02:16] <analia> I dont know to much how to used ubuntu
[02:16] <panicgrip> Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[02:16] <analia> ubuntu
[02:17] <panicgrip> do you know what your Package Manager is?
[02:17] <panicgrip> Open Synaptic Package Manager
[02:18] <analia> synptic package maneger
[02:18] <analia> ok
[02:20] <analia> is open
[02:21] <panicgrip> search for "dvd rip"
[02:21] <panicgrip> chances are a bunch of free programs will come up
[02:21] <panicgrip> search in Description
[02:22] <analia> ok
[02:22] <analia> some have the green
[02:23] <panicgrip> Fine one that sounds like it will work
[02:23] <analia> what do you thing work for incrip dvd
[02:24] <analia> i'm sorry my writing is no to good
[02:25] <KDesk> analia: if you use ubuntu you may find more help un the #ubuntu channel
[02:25] <analia> ok
[02:25] <panicgrip> good luck analia
[02:26] <analia> but sometime I read but I dont no how to do
[02:27] <panicgrip> yeah
[02:28] <analia> I apreciate you help
[02:29] <panicgrip> if i had ubuntu, id have treid one for ya bud.
[02:29] <analia> panicgrip thank you
[02:34] <jessi441> i need help my network anager was unstalled and i need to reinstall it. i am running mint 6 with ubuntu 8.10
[02:38] <panicgrip> jessi441, I can't actually help, but you're runnign Mint Linux and Ubuntu at the same time?
[02:41] <jessi441> i'm not sure i only know what my hubby said it is. it know it is mint 6 in the laptop and the network manager got deleted.
[02:42] <panicgrip> ask in ##linux
[02:42] <panicgrip> this chan is for an operating system called #kubuntu
[02:42] <jessi441> yea helps if they answer. it took me 4 hours to get you to answer here
[02:45] <panicgrip> you must really love your hubby
[02:45] <Pici> !mintsupport
[02:47] <jessi441> well it that or kill him since he was the one who deleted it in the first place
[02:47] <panicgrip> ha
[02:48] <panicgrip> You didn't just marry a nerd, you married a bad nerd.
[02:50] <Paddy_NI> Does anyone know where kaffeine buffers web videos to?
[02:51] <Paddy_NI> I use kaffeine as an external player for embedded web videos and now have no way of saving them
[02:56] <Paddy_NI> genii: Would you know?
[03:03] <kain_> vi
[03:23] <Ertain> Hello everyone.
[03:23] <Ertain> When I updated the other day I found that I couldn't login.
[03:24] <Ertain> This was because a number of packages were uninstalled.
[03:24] <Ertain> So, after installing a number of packages, I was able to get to my desktop.
[03:25] <harolddong> I love that story
[03:25] <harolddong> tell it agan
[03:25] <Ertain> Now the problem seems to be that I cannot even type
[03:26] <Ertain> If I switch it to the terminal and type
[03:26] <Ertain> But when I go into KDE I can't type out anything.  My mouse works, though.
[03:28] <Ertain> I'm trying to update it, so as to fix my system, but I can't connect to the internet (I'm using wireless).
[03:29] <panicgrip> would curl be installed by default on linux?
[03:29] <Ertain> So I'm trying to start up the wireless connection from the CLI, but I don't exactly know how.
[03:29] <panicgrip> *on kubuntu
[03:35] <mase_wk> panicgrip: probably not
[03:36] <mase_wk> panicgrip: however if you are creating software which requires curl you can depend on it in your .deb pkg
[03:36] <mase_wk> and it will install it automagically for you
[03:36] <panicgrip> That's pretty nifty.
[03:37] <panicgrip> Im just trying to run a bash(?) script a friend crafted for me
[03:38] <mase_wk> panicgrip: you can install using the usual methods, kpackagekit , apt etc..
[03:38] <panicgrip> think i got it, thanks :)
[03:39] <panicgrip> Wish the package manager was a bit more user friendly tho.  Almost would be nice if there were a symbol to differenciate Full GUI Applications from dependancies and comand line components or whatnot
[03:41] <mase_wk> panicgrip: interesting , what would that help you with ?
[03:56] <bjb1959_> kde 4.4 starts with effects disabled and I have no coverflow or flip effects could it be my ATI card I just bought?
[04:35] <harrison> Hi, I'm having some problems installing kubuntu on an old laptop. I can boot the alternate cd and the installer gets just past the partitioning section before it fails to read the cd in the drive. Is there any way I can choose to install from the internet rather than from a cd?
[04:36] <harrison> Or alternatively read from an iso on a usb drive
[04:37] <harrison> I've tried selelcting the 'load components from cd' but it won't load
[04:40] <mase_wk> harrison: there is a net install ISO
[04:40] <mase_wk> i think
[04:40] <mase_wk> i know there is a debian net install
[04:40] <mase_wk> so i presume ubuntu would have one too
[04:52] <harrison> I think I've figured it out, I can drop to a shell and then replace the cd directory with one from a usb
[04:52] <harrison> I just don't know how to mount the usb so that I can read from it
[04:54] <panicgrip> Anyone in here get Digsby to work?
[05:43] <sledge__> fdsa\
[05:50] <harrison> Does anyone know what needs to be changed for the installer to install from a usb rather than the cdrom. I can succesfully get about half way through the installation, and into a shell, but the cdrom drive is failing and stopping the installation. I have a usb with the iso on it, how can I make the installer point to the usb instead of the cd ?
[05:50] <harrison> I tried mounting the usb to /cdrom/ but the installer didn't think there was any cd mounted
[05:51] <harrison> Is there a config file for the installer ?
[05:54] <YantraManav> msg nickserv /register
[05:54] <panicgrip> try "/nickserv register"
[05:56] <YantraManav> Thanks a lot @panicgrip. it worked...
[05:56] <panicgrip> my pleasure.
[05:56] <YantraManav> I m a newbie and wanna participate to KDE devel.. Can u pls show me way?
[05:57] <panicgrip> ask in "/join #kde"
[05:58] <YantraManav> So this is general user list?
[06:06] <harrison> figured out the problem, I wasn't selecting the options with spacebar in the load components from cd ! Thanks anyway everyone
[06:29] <SysWatcher> good evening
[06:31] <Kubuntiac> Anyone have an idea when xf86-input-wacom will make it to the Kubuntu repos? It's been in Ubuntu for a few weeks now.
[06:49] <supermagnum> hello, is the hardware on a panasonic toughbook cf-29 supported in kubuntu 9.10
[06:49] <supermagnum> ?
[06:51] <Kubuntiac> I'd search the ubuntuforums and see what you find.
[06:52] <Kubuntiac> Intel graphics cards are usually pretty well supported
[06:52] <Kubuntiac> The main things I'd be checking would be the wireless and the sound.
[06:52] <Kubuntiac> Broadcom wireless is supported but... well, sometimes it's perfect... sometimes its not.
[06:53] <Kubuntiac> A good trick is to just take a live USB and try it
[06:53] <supermagnum> dis one has a Integrated Intel Pro/Wireless 802.11b/g Wireless Card
[06:53] <Kubuntiac> You've got a pretty good chance with anything intel
[06:54] <supermagnum> the complete list is here : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110228.0
[06:55] <Kubuntiac> Hmmm... touchscreens can take a bit of configuring so it may not be out of the box
[06:56] <Kubuntiac> My guess would be that its going to work, but you'll need to search for the settings to put in a couple of config files
[06:56] <Kubuntiac> There's usually tutorials etc, although sometimes things just work out of the box
[06:56] <supermagnum> it looks like it can be made to work, but the info is a little old :http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/panasonic-toughbook-cf-29-touch-screen-485053/
[06:57] <Kubuntiac> I wouldn't be surprised if GPS could be tricky, but I really don't know.
[06:57] <Kubuntiac> Usually if something was working in an earlier version it (generally) works much easier in the later version
[06:58] <Kubuntiac> First you only get support by coding it... then comes support by compiling something... then it's activated with a config file... then finally it comes out of the box. :)
[06:58] <supermagnum> the gps sends data in a serial format, typical 115 kbs or so..
[07:01] <Kubuntiac> If you can, trying a live usb is the best way to find out. Then google anything that isn't out of the box. There's a lot of stuff that *does* work with (K)ubuntu but you need to add a line or two to a config file.
[07:01] <Kubuntiac> Especially with tablets / touchscreens
[07:02] <supermagnum> thanks :)
[07:02] <supermagnum> i will try to figure it out.
[07:03] <Kubuntiac> Good luck!
[07:09] <sledge__> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[07:09] <sledge__> help!
[07:10] <sledge__> i do what it says and nothing happens
[07:10] <sledge__> well it wants me to edit it, but what do i put in it
[07:13] <poyntz> does anyone have the problem where okular sometimes saves annotations n sometimes doesn't?
[07:20] <sledge__> well it wants me to edit it, but what do i put in it
[07:20] <sledge__> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[07:21] <jussi01> sledge__: did you run?: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:22] <sledge__> yes jussi01
[07:22] <sledge__> jussi01, then logged out and logged back in
[07:29] <sledge__> is anyone familiar with this uBLOG app, that is pre installed
[07:29] <sledge__> can i use this with facebook
[07:40] <sledge__> is anyone familiar with this uBLOG app, that is pre installed
[07:40] <sledge__> can i use this with facebook
[07:52] <homer-80> i'm not able to see the icons down
[07:52] <homer-80> for ex if I open mozilla I don't see the icon of mozilla down, how can I do to fix
[07:54] <sledge__> is anyone familiar with this uBLOG app, that is pre installed
[07:54] <sledge__> can i use this with facebook
[08:51] <oinkoinkoink> Hi guys
[08:51] <oinkoinkoink> Does anyone know how to install KDE. 4.4 on Kubuntu
[08:58] <Kubuntiac> I think there's a ppa for it
[08:59] <Kubuntiac> oinkoinkoink: If so, there should be instructions at kubuntu.com
[08:59] <Kubuntiac> Or on Lucid, it's there already
[08:59] <oinkoinkoink> nevermind
[09:01] <sledge__> is anyone familiar with this uBLOG app, that is pre installed
[09:01] <sledge__> can i use this with facebook
[09:01] <Kubuntiac> dejavu...
[09:01] <Kubuntiac> Sorry. Haven't tried it.
[09:01] <sledge__> oh
[09:01] <sledge__> ok
[09:02] <Kubuntiac> I think there is a specific facebook widget though
[09:03] <Kubuntiac> My *guess* would be that ublog is more microblog targetted (ie twitter / identi.ca)
[09:03] <Kubuntiac> I really have no idea, though.
[09:17] <noaXess> is there a addon for okular to eg. make notes into an pdf file? or any other pdf reader to make notes?
[09:18] <Kubuntiac> I'm pretty sure Okular can do that already...
[09:18] <Kubuntiac> Although I think it might be called "Annotations"
[09:19] <Kubuntiac> Sorry, it's "Reviews"
[09:19] <Kubuntiac> Just click "Reviews" in the left column, then the top yellow-sticky icon
[09:20] <noaXess> Kubuntiac: aha.. okay. :)
[09:20] <noaXess> thanks
[09:20] <Kubuntiac> np
[10:00] <unixbaby> hallo there
[10:02] <unixbaby> any one i need help i m new to kubuntu and have Lil problem like my wireless is not working
[10:50] <ubuntu> Hoal
[10:51] <ubuntu> Hola
[10:51] <Kubuntiac> Hoal to you to! :D
[10:52] <ubuntu> Hola
[10:52] <DonSegreto> babar
[10:55] <Gus> Hola
[10:55] <Kubuntiac> dejavu...
[11:12] <jmut> kinda don't find it anywhere. Where can I read howto install kubuntu from usb.  Meaning howto setup bootable usb with kubuntu installation
[11:15] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[11:15] <phoenix__> i have a problem with kget
[11:15] <phoenix__> its not showing the tab bar
[11:18] <bigbrovar> Hi guys am looking to get a new laptop and am considering a mac. does anyone run kubuntu on a mac? and how well does it run?
[11:19] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: that should work, since it has an Intel CPU
[11:19] <Mamarok> bigbrovar: but think again, for the price of a Mac you can get a much better laptop
[11:19] <Mamarok> elsewhere
[11:20] <phoenix__> snapshot of kget missing tabs--> http://imagebin.org/86445
[11:21] <bigbrovar> Mamarok: Thing is I have been scotting for a good laptop.. with 14inch screen I liked the HP envy but it shipped ati which is a no go for me considering am coming from a dell xps with Intel graphic card. I am basically getting a new laptop because of the shuddy support of intel cards of late
[11:22] <Mamarok> the new Radeon drivers work fine with ATI cards now
[11:22] <aermler> hi everybody! I have just a quick question, I updated to KDE 4.4 and now I really miss the Ayatana notifications.. is it possible to get them back?
[11:22] <aermler> I read about a colibri package and installed it but it doesn't work for me
[11:25] <Mamarok> aermler: did you install notify-osd?
[11:25] <ubuntu> i installed windows after kubuntu 9.10 and grub is gone. read the help.ubuntu but didnt work. can anyone please guide me to resolve the problem. iam getting grub error 15 ?
[11:25] <Mamarok> !grub | ubuntu
[11:25] <Mamarok> !grub2 | ubuntu
[11:26] <Mamarok> see the last link above
[11:26] <||ugh> ubottu, in general you should always install MS-whatever first and then Ubuntu.  MS goes out of their was to trash other systems (for your SAFETY, just like the TSA...).
[11:27] <aermler> Mamarok: it was installed but it conflicted with the colibri package
[11:27] <Mamarok> what colibri package? Where did you get that from?
[11:29] <phoenix__> can anyone help me
[11:29] <aermler> from kde-apps.org
[11:29] <aermler> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Colibri?content=117147
[11:30] <Mamarok> aermler: you should ask in that forum then, since this is not a Kubuntu package. The advantage is to get in touch with the developer directly
[11:31] <aermler> Mamarok: ok, I will do that. That's the only way to get those notifications back into KDE 4.4, isn't it?
[11:31] <Mamarok> aermler: I don't know, sorry, never used them. Did you try just reinstalling the notify-osd package?
[11:32] <ubuntu> Mamarok:  what to edit in etc/default/grub
[11:33] <aermler> Mamarok: yes, I did. but I still get the default plasma notifications and I don't see an option anywhere to change it
[11:33] <aermler> Mamarok: I will ask in that forum! but thanks for your help!
[11:35] <ubuntu> ./# grub-install /dev/sda
[11:35] <ubuntu> grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub.
[11:35] <ubuntu> No path or device is specified.
[12:29] <rethus1> anyone get wink under ubuntu 9.10 to run?
[12:29] <rethus1> if i try to run the install.sh i got a message that libstdc++.so.5 libexpat.so.0 is needed
[12:29] <rethus1> but still libstdc++6 is installed
[12:33]  * myome is away: Gone away for now
[12:34] <shadeslayer> !away > myome
[12:34] <dodong> good evening guys..can anyone help me pls
[12:34] <shadeslayer> dodong: sure just ask
[12:36] <dodong> i just installed kubuntu and while trying to customize my desktop i accidentally remove the panel where the kstart and the rest of the icons
[12:36] <dodong> i would like to know how to put it back again
[12:38] <dodong> any help would be greatly appreciated
[12:39] <rethus1> where can i find libexpat.so.0 in 9.10 ?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> dodong: just right click and click add panel
[12:43] <shadeslayer> !find libexpat
[12:44] <shadeslayer> rethus1: install : libexpat1-dev
[12:45] <dodong> shadesplayer:when i try to right click and add panel, the smal icon showed up in one corner
[12:45] <shadeslayer> dodong: yes
[12:46] <shadeslayer> dodong: just click on the cashew and select Settings > Expand task ba
[12:46] <dodong> ok friend..i will try it now thanks
[12:48] <kaddi__> hi, anyone using aurorae with kde 4.4 here? I'm trying to install aurorae, but it seems to depend on kde 4.3 packages. Is there a way around this?
[12:49] <dodong> shadesplayer:how can i put back again the kmenu and the rest of the icons?
[12:52] <shadeslayer> dodong: just right click the taskbar and click add widgets
[12:52] <rethus1> is /usr/local/bin the fdolder where the symbolic links get to start programms only with program-name from everywhere?
[12:54] <virnik_> hi there
[12:54] <virnik_> maybe someone here can help me out
[12:54] <virnik_> I was making upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic yesterday night
[12:54] <virnik_> from that time, I cant build anything in qt4 build env
[12:54] <virnik_> like psi for example
[12:54] <dodong> shadesplayer:i manage to add some of the widgets except for the kstart icon
[12:55] <virnik_> I end up with Verifying Qt 4 build environment ... fail
[12:56] <virnik_> if I run it in verbose, I can see, that qt4 is ok
[12:56] <virnik_> it is found, etc
[12:56] <virnik_> but making conf is problem
[12:56] <noaXess> where can i visualy add a job that should run to a specific time? like crontab -e will do? .. i don't found it in system settings
[12:56] <virnik_> noaXess: scheduled tasks
[12:56] <virnik_> it is the same like cron
[12:56] <shadeslayer> dodong: its the first thing in the widget window ;)
[12:56] <virnik_> qmake found in /usr/bin/qmake-qt4
[12:56] <virnik_> makespec is linux-g++
[12:56] <virnik_>  -> fail
[12:56] <virnik_> Reason: There was an error compiling 'conf'.
[12:56] <FloodBotK1> virnik_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:56] <shadeslayer> add widget windo
[12:57] <noaXess> virnik_: cant find it
[12:57] <avishek> how do i set a system-wide monitor resolution in kubuntu? is there any config file that i can edit?
[12:57] <noaXess> shoud it be in systemsettings?
[12:57] <virnik_> ok, just to make it easy for you noaXess, just run mc under sudo, and locate /etc/crontab
[12:58] <virnik_> noaXess: yes
[12:58] <virnik_> it shall be
[12:58] <dodong> big thanks shadesplayer its fine now
[12:58] <virnik_> can somebody help me with my problem?
[12:58] <noaXess> virnik_: ok.... i know crontab editing.. but i wonder why sheduled task is missing'
[12:58] <virnik_> i already tried to reinstall qt4 dev packages, but I am still unable to build my favourite IM psi
[12:59] <virnik_> noaXess: look at kdelook.org, maybe there is some widget for it
[12:59] <virnik_> or kcm module
[12:59] <noaXess> ok
[12:59] <avishek> how do i set a system-wide monitor resolution in kubuntu? is there any config file that i can edit?
[13:01] <noaXess> avishek: your graficcard?
[13:01] <noaXess> !info X11 | avishek
[13:02] <avishek> noaXess: ATI radeon
[13:02] <noaXess> avishek: think you will need changing your xorg.conf ind /etc/X11
[13:02] <noaXess> !xorg | avishek
[13:02] <avishek> noaXess: thank you!
[13:03] <noaXess> avishek: or try in systemsettings / display.. or try KRandRTray
[13:10] <aermler> Mamarok: thanks, the problem got solved, there is a README file in the colibri package that I didn't see before, where everything is explained
[13:22] <Mamarok> aermler: nice :)
[13:39] <kaddi> !sound
[13:45] <SiVA_> how can I pass multiple filters to "find . -name"
[13:45] <SiVA_> I want to say: find . -name *.php OR *.htm
[13:45] <kaddi> hi, i have a weird problem: I only have sound in flash videos and system notifications. I can't get sound on amarok or dragonplayer or when testing the sound devices in systemsettings.
[13:46] <shadeslayer> kaddi: tried kmix to set volume of KDE apps?
[13:50] <lalalol> !offtopic
[13:51] <kaddi> shadeslayer: how do i do that ? All channels are maxed. Konqueror has sound with flash videos, so i don't think it's a kde problem
[13:53] <shadeslayer> kaddi: hmm
[13:53] <shadeslayer> kaddi: and what happens when you play a vid on vlc?
[13:54] <virnik_> http://pastebin.com/xA19QnEx
[13:54] <virnik_> can somebody help?
[13:54] <virnik_> it is about compilation of PSI-IM on Ubuntu 9.10
[13:54] <virnik_> it was ubuntu 9.04 yesterday, and after dist upgrade to 9.10, I cant compile PSI
[13:55] <jmut> donwloaded .iso file..but don't wanna do bootable CD but bootable USBStick. where do I read howto?
[13:55] <SatManUK> hi i keep getting segmentation fault from Kontact any ideas its annoying as i can't keep track of my e-mails for more than 2 mins
[13:55] <virnik_> jmut: google. or, just use tool included in ubuntu/kubuntu
[13:55] <SatManUK> can't you just dd the iso on the pendrive?
[13:55] <virnik_> i dont think so
[13:55] <virnik_> because you need to recompile some scripts.
[13:56] <SatManUK> dd if=name.iso of=/dev/sdx?
[13:56] <virnik_> it is easy, tool included in the distro can do this for you
[13:56] <shadeslayer> virnik_: have you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[13:56] <SatManUK> how can i tell what is causing kontact to crash?
[13:56] <virnik_> shadeslayer: yes
[13:56] <virnik_> I have kubuntu, actually
[13:56] <kaddi> shadeslayer: plays, but no sound
[13:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:57] <kaddi> wait
[13:57] <virnik_> i have all dev packages
[13:57] <virnik_> so it is why I am confused
[13:57] <shadeslayer> virnik_: ok now install build-essential and kde-devel
[13:57] <virnik_> shadeslayer: all already installed
[13:57] <virnik_> i tried even reinstalling them
[13:57] <shadeslayer> virnik_: ok lets see..
[13:57] <kaddi> lol, sound works shadeslayer on vlc, i just chose a video that had no sound the first couple of seconds
[13:58] <virnik_> everything worked ok before upgrade to karmic
[13:58] <shadeslayer> kaddi: :P
[13:58] <virnik_> now, in karmic, i had to reinstall some packages, but still, i cant compile it
[13:58] <shadeslayer> kaddi: well the problem is only in KDE apps then
[13:59] <shadeslayer> kaddi: try to test out sound in the system settings
[14:00] <shadeslayer> virnik_: youre definitely missing dev libs
[14:00] <kaddi> shadeslayer: tried it before, tried it now, no sound no matter which output device i choose to test
[14:00] <shadeslayer> kaddi: can you try this as a new user?
[14:01] <virnik_> shadeslayer: i know, but which one? I had tried every single one dev lib I can remember
[14:01] <shadeslayer> virnik_: hold on
[14:02] <virnik_> apt-get build-dep psi is not working, because it writes i have everything ok
[14:02] <zubin71> hi im using quassel IRC and i just changed to op status using "/msg chanserv op #<channel name>" however i dont see my name under the operator tab at the column on the right
[14:02] <zubin71> what do i do?
[14:02] <virnik_> i suppose that upgrade process from yesterday had to remove some packages
[14:02] <shadeslayer> virnik_: sudo apt-get build-dep psi : in a konsole
[14:03] <virnik_> shadeslayer: I did few times already
[14:03] <virnik_> it writes I have everything installed
[14:03] <shadeslayer> virnik_: check : http://pastebin.ca/1809622 : for build depends
[14:03] <JulienBu> yop
[14:03] <virnik_> shadeslayer: thx, i will try
[14:03] <shadeslayer> virnik_: also install qca-tls
[14:04] <SatManUK> if i load kontact from a shell would it feedback what is casuing the segmentation fault
[14:04] <floown> hello
[14:04] <shadeslayer> floown: hi
[14:05] <lalalol> hi there, does anyone else experience problems when trying to install opera via the konsole?
[14:05] <floown> I can't configure kopete, the page configuration is empty, then if I clic on it the program freeze. I have purge all config file, what can I do now ?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> lalalol: error as in?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> floown: try opening kopete via a konsole
[14:06] <lalalol> it doesnt install shadeslayer
[14:06] <shadeslayer> lalalol: yes,but whats the error?
[14:06] <virnik_> shadeslayer:
[14:06] <virnik_> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.ca/1809625
[14:06] <lalalol> E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[14:06] <virnik_> still nothing, as I said, i got everything installed
[14:07] <kaddi> shadeslayer: sounds works perfectly in the new account. Do you know which configs i would have to delete for sound=?
[14:08] <shadeslayer> kaddi: lemme think
[14:10] <lalalol> shadeslayer, E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[14:11] <virnik_> shadeslayer: any idea?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> virnik_: um nope
[14:11] <shadeslayer> virnik_: better keep asking here or on their channel
[14:12] <shadeslayer> lalalol: the package isnt named opera
[14:12] <virnik_> ok then
[14:12] <Kasm279> bleh, i found out that USB card readers mess up GRUB, first it was error 17, after i unplugged it i got 21, rebooted, all is good o.o
[14:12] <virnik_> join #psi
[14:12] <shadeslayer> lalalol: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[14:12] <lalalol> shadeslayer, what is it then?
[14:12] <lalalol> shadeslayer, ty
[14:14] <Kasm279> so, does anyone know how to get 3d acceleration with an intel graphics chipet? (Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller)
[14:14] <kaddi> shadeslayer: gonna move the phonondevicesrc and see if that helps, brb
[14:16] <virnik_> do somebody know PSI-IM irc channel?
[14:16] <virnik_> or network on which psi developers are
[14:17] <virnik_> http://pastebin.com/xA19QnEx
[14:17] <virnik_> i got this problem
[14:17] <virnik_> I have every single dev package i need
[14:17] <virnik_> but still, i cant compile it
[14:17] <floown> shadeslayer: here is the kopete's log http://pastebin.ca/1809640
[14:17] <virnik_> can somebody help?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> floown: can you add a account now?
[14:21] <floown> shadeslayer: no the configuration windows is empty
[14:22] <floown> shadeslayer: kopete 1.0.0 on karmic
[14:22] <shadeslayer> floown: what!
[14:22] <shadeslayer> !info kopete | floown
[14:23] <shadeslayer> floown: the default one is 4.3 :)
[14:24] <mplabs> Hello!
[14:25] <floown> shadeslayer: the (french) about in kopete display kopete 1.0.0 ^^
[14:27] <hellsingov> hi,Leute
[14:27] <hellsingov> brauche dringd die Hilfe
[14:27] <mplabs> I think I have a problem with my KDE since the last upgrade, I can login with my user but it's strange, everything looks normal (I mean, window, programs at the start, and so on) but I don't have any menu or bar, or the K button, nothing about the KDE "base". So I tried reinstalling kdm, kdebase-bin -data and so on, I still have the problem. Any idea ? :|
[14:27] <hellsingov> ops sorry
[14:28] <shadeslayer> mplabs: ok any settings you want to keep?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> floown: :o...
[14:28] <mplabs> well, actually everything :P
[14:28] <shadeslayer> floown: have your tried the add account button?
[14:28] <mplabs> I want my kde as before
[14:28] <shadeslayer> mplabs: hmm
[14:28] <mplabs> but it'ß ok if I need to reconfigure everything
[14:28] <mplabs> doesn't matter so much
[14:29] <shadeslayer> mplabs: ok do this then : Logout > Press ctrl+alt+F1 > login > type : rm -rf .kde > press ctrl+d > press ctrl+alt+f7 > Login
[14:30] <mplabs> you mean remove the kde directory in my ~ ?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> mplabs: yes
[14:30] <shadeslayer> mplabs: you can rename it too
[14:30] <mplabs> is it a configuration problem ?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> mplabs: yes...
[14:30] <mplabs> ok
[14:30] <mplabs> I will try :)
[14:30] <shadeslayer> mplabs: its caused by upgrading problems
[14:30] <shadeslayer> mplabs: we will have custom scripts in lucid to prevent this
[14:31] <mplabs> lucid ?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> !lucid | mplabs
[14:31] <mplabs> hehe ok
[14:31] <mplabs> actually I think I have these kinds of problems every time I upgrade u.u
[14:31] <floown> shadeslayer: I have try to remove / purge kopete, but the problem is still here : I can't access to the configuration page (so I can't add any account)
[14:32] <mplabs> ok, brb
[14:34] <shadeslayer> floown: no idea then
[14:34] <shadeslayer> floown: try #kde or #kopete
[14:37] <mplabs> shadeslayer, unfortunately it's the same o.o
[14:38] <shadeslayer> mplabs: 0_o
[14:38] <floown> shadeslayer: ok, thanks ;)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> mplabs: can you post a screenshot?
[14:38] <mplabs> what do I need to reinstall to have kde from scratch ?
[14:38] <mplabs> you will see the wallpaper, nothing more :P
[14:39] <shadeslayer> mplabs: hmm
[14:39] <mplabs> but actually I can press for example Alt+F2 and I can execute programs
[14:39] <shadeslayer> !puregnome | mplabs
[14:39] <mplabs> so it's strange
[14:39] <shadeslayer> mplabs: just leave out the part after &&
[14:39] <shadeslayer> mplabs: and do this in a TTY
[14:40] <shadeslayer> !tty | mplabs
[14:40] <mplabs> I know I know
[14:40] <shadeslayer> mplabs: oh good :)
[14:40] <mplabs> ok, so I will reinstall it
[14:41] <mplabs> actually I tried with kdebase-* :|
[14:41] <shadeslayer> mplabs: btw i would suggest you use --purge as well
[14:41] <mplabs> ok
[14:41] <mplabs> :)
[14:42] <mplabs> and then ? what should I install after the purge ?
[14:42] <mplabs> hwo is the name of the wirtual package ? kde4 ?
[14:43] <mplabs> virtual *
[14:43] <mplabs> lol
[14:45] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:46] <mplabs> well, I can't if I don't know what I should reinstall later
[14:46] <mplabs> s/reinstall/install
[14:49] <plattdeutscher_> every some minutes my eth0 devices gets activated by some process in the background. How can I find out which one?
[14:50] <kaddi> shadeslayer: i tried moving phononsrc to no effect, also moved other configs from  sound playing applications (eg amarok) without success... any other idea what i might try?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> kaddi: umm..i think you should try #phonon or #kde
[14:55] <kcantin> hello all
[14:55] <kcantin> I was wondering if I could get some advice from someone about downloading and installing my graphics drivers?
[14:56] <virnik_> can somebody help me out with compiling psi under kubuntu 9.10 http://pastebin.com/WeEKp81W
[14:56] <virnik_> <
[14:56] <virnik_> ?
[14:57] <kcantin> I used ndiswrapper to install my wireless network interface driver but, can I use it to install my video drivers as well??
[14:57] <shadeslayer> kcantin: just press alt+F2 and type : jockey-kde
[15:02] <kcantin> shadeslayer, thanks!
[15:02] <kcantin> Is that all I have to do to update my vid card?
[15:03] <Riddell> ** New Kubuntu Desktop and Netbook alpha 3 candidate images for testing  testers welcome
[15:05] <kcantin> ok, when I run "jockey-kde" it comes back and says that no propritary drivers reside on this system
[15:06] <kcantin> Is there another way that I can update my graphics card drivers?
[15:20] <wojtek> Hello, My mounted disk has such "nls=iso8859-1,ro,users,umask=000,nodev" but I still can execute application using terminal -> Permission denied - it is even if I give a file rights 777
[15:20] <wojtek> What option should be set to allow application execution..
[15:22] <kaddi> !sound
[15:27] <nonameNN> any one familiar with this "can't shut down, but restarts properly "
[15:28] <martijn81> hi, how far are you with the alpha3 version of kubuntu?
[15:29] <genii> !lucid | martijn81
[15:29] <martijn81> okok
[15:30] <SaeBe> @nonameNN I had this problem some times but no errors occured yet.
[15:35] <kaddi> !sound >kaddi
[15:38] <mplabs> shadeslayer, :|
[15:38] <mplabs> I did what you said but it's the same, actually I still have KDE
[15:38] <mplabs> lol
[15:38] <shadeslayer> mplabs: :o
[15:38] <mplabs> !puregnome
[15:39] <mplabs> is not working for me
[15:39] <shadeslayer> mplabs: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[15:40] <tim__> How can I tell if my hard drive is going bad?
[15:40] <mplabs> I just want to reinstall KDE o.o
[15:40] <kaddi> shadeslayer: Just FYI, I made some progress on the sound thing. It seems to be a problem with permissions.. when I run sudo amarok, or sudo systemsettings everything has sound just fine... :)
[15:41] <shadeslayer> kaddi: :o
[15:41] <shadeslayer> kaddi: thats new
[15:41] <premkumar> hello i am new in this group
[15:42] <kaddi> shadeslayer: i must have messed up something at some point. :P When I run strace -eopen alsamixer i get: open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY)    = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[15:42] <n8w1ng> hey
[15:42] <shadeslayer> kaddi: weird
[15:42] <n8w1ng> whats the command for showin system paths?
[15:43] <n8w1ng> should b smth like "nv" and smth
[15:44] <mplabs> anyway, thank you shadeslayer ! :)
[15:45] <jmut> virnik_: sorry didn't get notification you wrote me. It would be cool telling me tool name. I was looking in mounted iso but found nothing useful
[15:46] <virnik_> jmut: w8, i will take a look
[15:46] <virnik_> what distro are u using?
[15:46] <jmut> virnik_: mm I am using sidux..(debian)
[15:47] <kcantin_> Im attempting to get support for updating my graphics card on the #intel-gfx chan but, no help
[15:47] <virnik_> jmut: usb-creator-kde
[15:47] <virnik_> it shall be in repo
[15:47] <kcantin_> can anyone assist me in installing the driver for my vid card so that I can enhance my resolution?
[15:48] <jmut> virnik_: not really but will find it. thanks
[15:48] <virnik_> you can install even ubuntu's package
[15:48] <virnik_> it is compatible
[15:48] <kcantin_> for my vid card?
[15:49] <kcantin_> how?
[15:50] <da> sometimes my Asus notebook does not come on. Howto fox?
[15:50] <da> how to fix?
[15:50] <virnik_> da: are you talking about suspending/waking up, or shutting down/powering on?
[15:51] <da> the later
[15:51] <virnik_> so it is not powering on properly? what is it doing? just black screen, or login in text shell?
[15:52] <da> just a black screen
[15:52] <virnik_> try ctrl+alt+F1
[15:52] <da> okay, thanks.
[15:52] <virnik_> if it skips to the console tty, try login, and then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[15:54] <da> wow,I hit o and it came on
[15:58] <fark> I'm having a slight problem with X.org not loading, log: http://tinyurl.com/yko5ekp any ideas?
[15:58] <da> well hell, I was given this notebook,but not the passwd
[15:59] <da> thanks for everything...
[16:02] <kaddi> good thing he left..
[16:05] <kaddi> hi, could anyone help me with a sound problem. Sound plays fine when the application is run as superuser, sound doesn't play when I'm a normal user..
[16:05] <kaddi> when i use aplay for testing i get:
[16:05] <kaddi> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[16:05] <kaddi> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[16:05] <kaddi> aplay: main:608: audio open error: Permission denied
[16:05] <n8w1ng> hey guys, im dealin with pretty strange problem...im tryin to set a patch to ibm_db by usin this command: export IBM_DB_DIR=/home/username/sqllib
[16:05] <n8w1ng> *path
[16:06] <n8w1ng> but when i call "env" i cant see it defined anywhere
[16:06] <n8w1ng> the syntax is correct i suppose
[16:07] <n8w1ng> ive been tryin to solve this problem for few hours by now
[16:07] <n8w1ng> rly dunno whats wrong
[16:19] <wizzler> even if I tell knotes that it should not remember its desktop it always switches desktops :-(
[16:20] <kaddi> hi, did someone answer to my help request earlier? I was disconnected. I only get sound when logging in with sudo or kdesudo. Otherwise i get access denied messages. I have uninstalled pulseaudio but nothing changed
[16:25] <kaddi> could someone pelase highlight me
[16:30]  * genii slides kaddi some coffee
[16:30] <kaddi> :D aww thanks :D
[16:30] <jani> van itt valaki aki magyar?
[16:30] <kaddi> sadly my kde apps still don't like me though :'(
[16:30] <kaddi> !hu
[16:30] <genii> !hu | jani
[16:30] <jani> thanks
[16:30] <kaddi> you're welcome :)
[16:33] <harolddong> does anybody when the koffice 2 packages are going to be updated for kde 4.4?
[16:34] <daskreech> I'm guessing when the next shipment of Koffice comes out
[16:41] <kaddi> are there any kde specific sound debug articles? I have a feeling the gnome/ubuntu links !sound give me won't tell me why only my kde apps don't play sonud :P
[16:43] <rethus1> which programms neede to work with my ppc (LG gm750 layla) ?
[16:43] <rethus1> which are recommended
[16:44] <daskreech> kaddi: Not sure you can ask crimsum when you see him
[16:44] <rethus1> if i plug in i see:
[16:44] <rethus1> usb 4-2: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[16:44] <rethus1> in /var/log/messages, but didn't appear in device-manager
[16:45] <kaddi> daskreech: will do, thks :)
[16:45] <rethus1> can i mount ttyUSB0 manualy?
[16:45] <daskreech> If it has a filessystem then yes
[16:45] <rethus1> lsusb give me:
[16:45] <rethus1> Bus 004 Device 005: ID 045e:00ce Microsoft Corp. Generic PPC Flash device
[16:47] <cousin_mario> hello
[16:47] <cousin_mario> what is the too to use for installing restricted drivers?
[16:49] <kcantin_> can someone please assist me in updating my video card so that I can change my screen resolution?
[16:49] <genii> cousin_mario: Kmenu..System...Hardware Drivers
[16:50] <kcantin_> I have tried jockey-kde and it does not find anything
[16:51] <daskreech> cousin_mario: jockey-kde normally
[16:51] <genii> cousin_mario: If you have the "restricted" repositories enabled in your package manager it should find whatever proprietary drivers are available to install
[16:51] <kcantin_> Ohh, ok
[16:51] <kcantin_> how do I enable "restricted" repositories?
[16:51] <cousin_mario> genii: it's firmware actually
[16:52] <kcantin_> so I need to update firmware then?
[16:53] <genii> !repositories
[16:53] <cousin_mario> crashing
[16:53] <cousin_mario> damn, don't tell me I have to do this from gnome...
[16:54] <kcantin_> k, thanks a lot!!
[16:54] <genii> kcantin_: The previous messages about restricted repositories, etc are relevent to you for your video driver, but likely not anything to do with firmware. A lot of wifi cards, etc require a firmware download however
[16:55] <daskreech> You should be able to install the packages by hand
[16:59] <kcantin_> reading the documentation but, having trouble launching the repository manager
[16:59] <kcantin_> can anyone help me launch it?
[17:11] <sln> le site en fr s'il vous plait. merci!
[17:11] <cousin_mario> what site?
[17:12] <sln> i would like to talk in french
[17:12] <kaddi> !fr
[17:14] <sln> ubottu: merci
[17:24] <rethus> have big problems with firestarter
[17:24] <rethus> if i start up my pc, no connection works. i have first to start firestarter.
[17:25] <rethus> this istn't normaly?! cause firestarter only a gui-frontend for ipchains ?!
[17:25] <rethus> how can i reset the whol ipchains-things ?
[17:32] <udayan> i am using kubuntu 9.10 64-bit on amd m500.my network keeps disconnecting all the time but not at all on windows any suggestions ??
[17:32] <vbgunz> is there a way to tell apt-get install to install a newer version of a package byt giving it an older version of a package? e.g., grub-pc is newer than grub *but* apt-get would happily install grub if you asked for it. But grub-pc obviously is the newer version and replaces grub. so, is there something I can use to get the newest version of something by giving it an older version of something?
[17:33] <khaije|amalt> anyone take me through the first couple steps of sharing a printer on a LAN?
[17:35] <n8w1ng> anybody with an experience with setting up python envi for ibm data servers?
[17:43] <wizzler> n8w1ng: not very kubuntu related
[17:44] <n8w> wizzler:  ?
[17:46] <n8w> wizzler:  ye well it is...sorta...coz i wanna run it on kubuntu n kubuntu keeps givin me errors...settin it up in windows is matter of 3min....
[17:46] <n8w> dunno where else to ask...:)
[17:53] <wizzler> n8w: kind of tired of this... works in windows stuff... use windows then ;-) I have no clue at all about python. Maybe ask in the python channel?
[18:18] <kcantin_> Hello
[18:19] <kcantin_> Anyone know how to get a wirless network to connect at boot instead of having to manually reenter the wireless settings at each boot up?
[18:19] <kcantin_> I am using ndiswrapper
[18:24] <khaije|amalt> whats the name of the bot?
[18:24] <khaije|amalt> !bot
[18:25] <khaije|amalt> ubottu: cwid | kcantin_
[18:26] <khaije|amalt> ubottu: wicd | kcantin_
[18:26] <khaije|amalt> argh!
[18:26] <christaker> please help! i've just upgrade kde 4.3 to kde 4.4 and now my system fonts are looking so bad :  http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8763/snapshot1j.jpg         what can i do?
[18:28] <khaije|amalt> kcantin_: anyway there is a network mgmt app called wicd that i highly recommend. it has console and gui mgmt and allows what you mentioned
[18:29] <kcantin_> Thanks a lot  for your help with this
[18:29] <khaije|amalt> christaker: i don't see the problem in your screenshot, have you tried adjusting in the kcontrol settings manager?
[18:30] <kcantin_> I just added my wireless settings to etc/network/interfaces
[18:30] <kcantin_> Is there a way that I can restart my interface and test my settings without rebooting?
[18:30] <khaije|amalt> kcantin_: the nice thing about wicd is that it uses that same setup, it just simplifies the mgmt
[18:30] <kcantin_> I see
[18:30] <kcantin_> should I update that in my software manager?
[18:31] <christaker> khaije|amalt: that's not the default fonts! Compare with this :  http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kde-41-dolphin-file-manager-filter-bar-screenshot.png
[18:32] <christaker> khaije|amalt: i don't like these fonts now :(
[18:32] <khaije|amalt> kcantin_: i don't understand the question..?
[18:32] <kcantin_> how do I get cwid to work?
[18:33] <khaije|amalt> oh yes, install the wicd package, there is be also a gui package and a console package iirc
[18:33] <kcantin_> gotchya, thanks!
[18:34] <christaker> anyone to help me pls?
[18:34] <khaije|amalt> christaker: have you tried changing the fonts under 'system settings' ?
[18:34] <kcantin_> The only other issue I have is that I cannot seem to get my vid card recognized
[18:34] <khaije|amalt> kcantin_: what type is it?
[18:34] <kcantin_> the only screen resolutions I have are 600x800
[18:35] <christaker> khaije|amalt: under the system settings has the default fonts : Dejavu Sans (8)  BUT they are changed their looking...i don;t know why...
[18:36] <christaker> khaije|amalt: it seems like the fonts crashed
[18:36] <jimmy51_> i can't seem to print PDF's properly.  I can print other types of documents, but PDF's always tell the printer to print on A4 paper, even though the settings say US Letter.
[18:36] <jimmy51_> wazzup with that?
[18:37] <khaije|amalt> christaker: it may be useful to adjust the sizes, or the other settings there. aside from that I'm not sure what to suggest in you case
[18:37] <kcantin_> lspci results on vid card...
[18:37] <kcantin_> Graphics Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
[18:37] <kcantin_> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[18:38] <khaije|amalt> jimmy51_: you may need to change your default paper setting under 'regional and language' settings?
[18:38] <jimmy51_> khaije|amalt: checking.... says US Letter, Imperial
[18:39] <jimmy51_> i'm OK with printing word docs and html.  it's just pdf's.  is there another pdf reader i should try?
[18:39] <khaije|amalt> jimmy51_: in that case im not sure, typically thats all thats needs
[18:39] <khaije|amalt> jimmy51_: o i c, sure there are dozens, thats a good idea
[18:40] <jimmy51_> what's a good one?
[18:40] <jimmy51_> !pdf
[18:41] <unixbaby> why is the kde 4.3.1 wireless err ? on acer aod250 any one help
[18:42] <unixbaby> Ps i m new to linux .. :)
[18:42] <kcantin_> yeah, so I am using an intel based graphics card
[18:43] <raymears> hi folks, quick question: i have 2 repos in my sources.list file: beta and backports. i need backports for kde sc 4.4, i need beta for amarok 2.3b; thing is, amarok does not get upgraded, inspite the version from beta being higher than the one from backports
[18:43] <raymears> i tried everything up to and including dist-upgrade... but, nothing happens. amarok still stays the same.
[18:43] <raymears> 2,2.something
[18:44] <raymears> any ideas as to what i might do to.. upgrade amarok to the latest version?
[18:48] <khaije|amalt> kcantin_: are you using the normal intel drivers from the mainline repo/
[18:48] <khaije|amalt> ?
[18:52] <Zoleee> Hello all!
[18:57] <agowerdhan> hi guys i need a help
[18:58] <ujjain> How come Ubuntu cannot play mp3 by default?
[18:58] <agowerdhan> because ubuntu doesn't supply restricted codecs
[18:58] <agowerdhan> you need to install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:59] <ujjain> Does Kubuntu?
[18:59] <ujjain> by default?
[18:59] <agowerdhan> nop
[19:00] <agowerdhan> you need to install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:01] <ujjain> is installing on LVM obvious with Kubuntu installer?
[19:01] <ujjain> it's like adding a swap partition?
[19:06] <fraca> boas
[19:08] <kcantin_> Can anyone tell me how to see if my external usb dvdrom is being recognized?
[19:09] <ujjain> Does the normal Ubuntu installer have no LVM option?
[19:12] <kcantin_> Okay, my external dvdrom drive is recognized!
[19:15] <kcantin_> Okay, the issue that I was having under windows was that it would not recognize my external dvdrom in bootup
[19:16] <kcantin_> Is there any way under ubuntu that I can I can boot off of my dvdrom on boot up?
[19:25] <Qvintvs> whenver I enable compositing window resizing becomes incredibly slow. is there a particular effect cuasing this I can disable or it is realted to compositing in general?
[20:05] <pulaski> Hi, I run kubuntu 9.10 karmic.  I'm trying to convert a .jp2 file to .jpg using imagemagick.  the ##imagemagick channel is not resposive. GIMP doesn't recognize the .jp2 format.  Can anyone suggest an app to do this?
[20:14] <18VAAGI9Y> Can wicd help me with my vid card which I have not been able to install?
[20:20] <binarylooks_> I was just doing a do-release-upgrade -d (was at 20% ) when my network cllapsed. when I try starting again I get a "no new release found". how can i resume the release upgrade?
[20:31] <kubian> this doesn't seem right "Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 10.04, the Karmic Koala!"
[20:33] <detrate-> when creating a software raid, is it necessary to create a partition on the drives that will be raided or is it safe to do something like >> mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc
[20:33] <Mamarok> kubian: indeed, are you on 10.04 or Karmic?
[20:33] <detrate-> notice the missing 1's on /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc
[20:34] <BluesKaj-Laptop> kubian, it's incorrect 10.04 is Lucid\
[20:34] <kubian> mamarok: that's what you get installing 10.04
[20:34] <Mamarok> kubian: you should tell them in #kubuntu+1
[20:34] <Mamarok> ahm, sorry #ubuntu+1
[20:36] <kubian> mamarok: why #ubuntu?  It's the Kubuntu welcome.html used in the slide show
[20:36] <Mamarok> kubian: notice the +1, all things related to the upcoming 10.04 should be asked there
[20:37] <Mamarok> and there is no #kubuntu+1
[20:37] <kubian> mamarok: oh ok. irc noob :)
[20:37] <Mamarok> kubian: no problem :)
[20:50] <15SAAGP6U> is there a util like "wicd" that I can use to get my video card installed?
[20:51] <kaddi> wicd is a network manager
[20:51] <kaddi> !info wicd
[20:51] <15SAAGP6U> yes, I just installed it and it works great ;)
[20:51] <15SAAGP6U> thanks
[20:51] <15SAAGP6U> I am just having an aweful time installing my vid card
[20:52] <kaddi> i'm sorry, not familiar with video cards :p
[20:52] <kcantin> np
[20:52] <kcantin> anyone have suggestions?
[20:53] <kcantin> I am using an intel based graphics card
[21:00] <kubian> Mamarok: noone seems to care about Kubuntu there..anyway at least someone here would take note.
[21:00] <Mamarok> kubian: I already forwarded it to the developers, don't worry :)
[21:08] <emilio> ggg
[21:20] <jessi533> i need help please my network manager was accidentally uninstalled
[21:24] <Spaceman> maybe "sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager"
[21:27] <jessi533> it comes back saying it can not find that package
[21:46] <cuznt> hey, i am using a 4gb flash usb drive from my swap. is there a way for it to swap on automatically?
[21:53] <phoenix__> is there a way to get new desktop effects in kubuntu
[21:54] <genii> cuznt: Firstly - because flash drives begin to deteriorate quickly when many read/writes are done that's not a good idea. But if you really want it that way... make sure partition type for it is 82 (hex). Then use the mkswap command. Then make sure your /etc/fstab has an entry for that partition to use it as swap. Alternately you can use the swapon command to activate it
[21:55] <cuznt> i am going toi fix this all next semester as in itt-tech's course operating systems we will install kubuntu in class. so i will do my partition the really correct way
[21:56] <cuznt> the swap on command i do now upon start up, thank you
[21:58] <Thinkerer68> I want to add a certificate for SSL connection on IRC. Where do I put the file so Konversation can use it?
[22:00] <dgorissen> hi all
[22:01] <dgorissen> Q: just dist-upgraded to kde 4.4, all works except, no network manager plasmoid anywhere
[22:01] <dgorissen> and running knetworkmanager does not do anything
[22:01] <dgorissen> the nm applet is present and works fine in gnome
[22:02] <dgorissen> but no network in kde..
[22:02] <rahuketu> hey guys new to linux how can i find if system is sse3 or not?
[22:05] <vi390> how can I add a screen resolution that is not autodetected?
[22:06] <Scunizi> vi390: check out the docs on xrandr modes.. I'll have ubottu send a link but sometimes you get better results with google.
[22:06] <Scunizi> !resolution | vi390
[22:07] <vi390> aah okey, so its definately the same like in ubuntu. Thought KDE uses different methods
[22:07] <vi390> thx
[22:14] <natala> any one a script pro?
[22:15] <Thinkerer68> Not really, but I've written some that work for me.
[22:17] <natala> I am working on some now
[22:18] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[22:18] <natala> hello
[22:50] <azimov> 4.4 is lovely
[23:11] <Spaceman> 3.5 is better
[23:13] <azimov> you think? I have to use an old version of fedora with 3.5 at work
[23:13] <azimov> I hate fedora and i hate 3.5
[23:14] <azimov> actually i quite like 3.5, just prefer newer stuff
[23:14] <azimov> fedora just annoys me because the version I use is really outdated
[23:16] <Gecko> hey, I've got a few apps that autostart when I log in, and I can't figure out where this is controlled... Any ideas?
[23:20] <tarzan> ngn?
[23:24] <merlin> hello. can you help me with some troubles with mpd(media player daemon)? when i try "mpd --create-db" it return  " listen: Failed to listen on localhost (line 11): Address already in use. Aborted"
[23:44] <michi_> hello
[23:47] <Typos_King> allo
[23:52] <merlin> yeah?


[00:08] <spaks> Help please: I know this is Ubuntu but I also have a debian channel here but I have to be logged in to join . I've already registered my nickname but everytime I try to log in irc.libera.chat it throws an error
[00:11] <sarnold> spaks: the folks in #libera are probably better able to help you diagnose your login problems
[00:12] <spaks> Ok much thanks 🙏
[02:16] <penguin__> hello
[02:23] <robingrud> d> Is there anyone online? I'm a newbie and I need help configuring slapd for a school project. Actually, I just need to configure sha-256 hashing for passwords on slapd, but I don't know how because it seems that LDAP v3 doesn't support it natively. I've tried so many tutorials on the internet, but here I am.
[02:25] <sarnold> https://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/1467.html holy cow this is frustrating
[02:30] <sarnold> .. and this looks like old garbage https://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/security.html
[02:30] <sarnold> robingrud: maybe take a look at 389ds? it looks less garbage https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_directory_server/11/html/configuration_command_and_file_reference/plug_in_implemented_server_functionality_reference#password-storage-schemes
[02:35] <robingrud> tks guys, like ive said im a newbie and im trying to get better and learn from this lesson... im gonna check out these links and try to finish the task.
[08:52] <pydev1> hello
[08:52] <pydev1> i am installing mariadb using the official Mariadb repository
[08:52] <pydev1> when i run apt update i get
[08:52] <pydev1> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://mirror.mva-n.net/mariadb/repo/11.0/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[08:52] <pydev1> i am using this configuration
[08:52] <pydev1> https://mariadb.org/download/?t=repo-config&d=22.04+%22jammy%22&v=11.0&r_m=mva
[08:52] <pydev1> is there a way to remove that warning ?
[08:55] <pydev1> if i do apt search mariadb-server
[08:55] <pydev1> i get
[08:55] <pydev1> mariadb-server/unknown 1:11.0.2+maria~ubu2204 amd64
[08:55] <pydev1> "unknown" ??
[08:58] <belst> pydev1: you can add arch=amd64 to the options list inside your .list file (if there is no options list, eg signed-by you can just add it after the deb. eg: deb [arch=amd64] url jammy main
[08:59] <pydev1> belst, on that page i see that i need to create a .sources file where i copied this: https://bpa.st/ERNQU
[08:59] <pydev1> can i change it ?
[08:59] <pydev1> how can i change it ?
[09:00] <belst> just add a new line with: Arch: amd64
[09:04] <MadLamb> I am having an audio problem with Microsoft Teams when I am wearing my pixel buds. Sometimes I am inaudible or with a lot of background noise. I'd appreciate some advice on how to debug or if there something I can do so it just works?
[09:05] <Jaydom> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu
[09:06] <weedmic> Jaydom: they are the same, only the DE is different.  I find KDE to be widely used and there are a lot of widgets, etc.
[09:07] <pydev1> belst, i am trying
[09:07] <weedmic> MadLamb: on the speaker near the clock, did you set the output to the pixel buds?  maybe the output is misdirected?
[09:08] <pydev1> belst, same problem
[09:08] <pydev1> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://mirror.mva-n.net/mariadb/repo/11.0/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[09:08] <pydev1> N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/debug/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'https://mirror.mva-n.net/mariadb/repo/11.0/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
[09:08] <belst> pydev1: might be you have to write Architectures: instead of just Arch: not sure tbh. haven't used the deb822 style yet
[09:08] <MadLamb> weedmic, to be honest I am having issues for some time already so I already played a lot with the settings, its nothing so basic like that.
[09:09] <pydev1> try
[09:09] <pydev1> belst, yes!!
[09:09] <pydev1> works
[09:09] <MadLamb> weedmic, the output was correct. I also switched from A2DP to HFP
[09:09] <pydev1> belst, why i see mariadb-server/unknown 1:11.0.2+maria~ubu2204 amd64
[09:10] <weedmic> I sometimes have issues with double sound, in that case, i use ksysmon, stop the process for pulse, wait five seconds and start it again.  it might take 5 tries.
[09:10] <pydev1> "unknown" ??
[09:10] <pydev1> after apt search mariadb-server
[09:12] <belst> are u on jammy? it should just say jammy tbh. dunno why it says unkown
[09:12] <pydev1> yes 22.04
[09:18] <pydev1> belst, do you think is safe :D
[09:30] <belst> probably ^^
[09:37] <pydev1> belst, another question, i usually want to create an home for each website i am running, so each website has its home, user/group and then i add the user to www-data is it possible to add an home inside another home? i mean www-data usually creates the home in /var/www
[09:37] <pydev1> can i create /var/www/website1 /var/www/website2
[09:37] <pydev1> with website1:website1 and website2:website2
[09:40] <belst> oof, are u using nginx? u'd have to have a separate pool for each website then. I wouldn't nest home folders tho. probably works but might make things complicated
[09:40] <belst> I guess instead of having different pools you could also use ACL to give the correct permissions for the webserver
[09:43] <pydev1> belst, yes nginx
[09:43] <pydev1> belst, do you have a guide i can follow?
[09:44] <pydev1> maybe i can use /home/website1   etc
[09:44] <belst> not really
[09:44] <belst> yeah sure
[09:46] <pydev1> belst, i do not know what is the common way to do that but i also read that /opt is used
[09:46] <pydev1> too
[09:55] <belst> There is no real common way, just the way it makes the most sense for your usecase
[09:55] <belst> so /home/website1 sounds reasonable
[09:56] <pydev1> perfect
[09:56] <pydev1> then i also think that each website must have its user
[09:56] <pydev1> user1:www-data
[09:56] <pydev1> user2:www-data
[09:59] <belst> you can also just have 1 user /home/websites and then put each of them into /home/websites/{website1,website2} and so on
[10:00] <pydev1> belst, here the problem is that maybe a website can change something into another if i use the same user on all the website
[10:00] <pydev1> no ?
[10:00] <pydev1> *websites
[10:00] <belst> possibly yes
[10:01] <pydev1> for that reason i think that i should create a user for each website, and maybe yes put everything inside /home/websites/{homes_of websites}
[10:01] <belst> but if you give the group write permissions you have the same problem again
[10:01] <pydev1> no www-data can only read
[10:02] <pydev1> but yes it means that a website can read the config on another website (maybe file with passwords etc)
[10:02] <pydev1> so it is not a 100% safe solution
[10:02] <pydev1> can i not "block" the user to go outside its home ?
[10:02] <belst> also might not work depending on which kinds of websites u have
[10:02] <belst> the webserver doesnt care which user owns sth as long as it can read stuff
[10:02] <pydev1> belst, www-data should also have write permissions to /media folders too
[10:02] <belst> it's the webserver that does all the stuff
[10:03] <belst> not the user the files belong to
[10:03] <pydev1> belst, yes but lets suppose you have website1 with a pho script that read a file inside another website (another home)
[10:03] <pydev1> can i block such attemps ?
[10:03] <pydev1> belst, the php file has specific permissions so if the user that is running php is the same everywhere it means that it can read/Write etc
[10:04] <pydev1> so i am thinking if there is a way to block an user to do stuff only inside its home
[10:04] <belst> the php files permission don't matter in this case
[10:04] <pydev1> not outside
[10:04] <belst> it's the permissions of the user the php executable runs
[10:04] <pydev1> belst, why not? sure but i run it in php-fpm i have a pool of configurations where i can se the correct user:group for each website
[10:05] <belst> you need a new pool for each website then
[10:05] <pydev1> but here same thing if it runs with user:www-data permissions it means that it can read other things inside the filesystem
[10:05] <pydev1> belst, yes sure
[10:05] <belst> just dont use the www-data group then
[10:05] <belst> just use user:user and run the fpm pool with that aswell
[10:05] <belst> and set o-r on everything so noone can read stuff
[10:06] <belst> except user
[10:06] <belst> same for nginx if u want it to server static files
[10:06] <pydev1> hmmm ok interesting... and...what about if a have folders like /media where we usually save uploaded files etc..
[10:06] <pydev1> exactly for serving static files too
[10:06] <pydev1> how can i do that if i set user:user
[10:06] <pydev1> ?
[10:07] <belst> u can either use acls or have a common group with write on /media
[10:07] <belst> but not on the other folders
[10:08] <pydev1> so basically what we are saying is...run everything with user:user except stats (js/css) and /media where there are uploaded files contents
[10:08] <pydev1> but it is not a clear solution because for example if i run php with user:user than i CANT work on uploaded content if they have www-data:www-data
[10:10] <pydev1> belst, i need to understand if i can run nginx with the same user:group
[10:11] <pydev1> if it is possible i win, becuase i have php and nginx with the same permissions
[10:16] <vcv> hey
[12:51] <pydev1> what command should i use to create an user with no nome no login ...basically nothing
[12:51] <pydev1> :D
[12:51] <tarzeau> pydev1: adduser with the right parameters
[12:52] <pydev1> what is the difference between adduser and useradd
[12:52] <pydev1> a bit confused about that
[12:52] <tarzeau> useradd exists everywhere and doesn't do some handy things, adduser does
[12:52] <pydev1> ok
[12:52] <tarzeau> you could completely add a user creating home dir, adding him to /etc/passwd, shadow group manually without any tool
[12:53] <ogra> adduser has the distro defaults (default groups etc) and uses useradd in he backend
[12:53] <ogra> *in the
[12:53] <pydev1> ok
[12:53] <tarzeau> github.com also has a graphical usermanager from xen0vas i had an ITP for, waiting for it get more activity to rename the RFP to ITP again, in some future
[12:53] <ogra> create a snap 😉
[12:54] <tarzeau> i did create some snap, and some appimage. i find freebsd ports , brew and deb creation easier
[12:54] <tarzeau> but you can create a snap if you find that easier/better
[12:55] <ogra> i got enugh snaps in the store, thanks 🙂
[12:56] <jelly> os-prober (update-grub) on focal cannot find other Linux installations if their / fs are LUKS encrypted.  It works if I intentionally cryptsetup luksOpen... the relevant LVM PV.  Is this expected?
[12:56] <tarzeau> can i view them in a list?
[12:56] <tarzeau> is that mostly upstream!=snap or upstream==snap ?
[12:56] <ogra> (and it is beyond me how anyone can find deb creation easier than snap creation ... but i'm only in the deb business since 25y ... perhaps i'm too old)
[12:56] <jelly> the other Linux /boot is NOT encrypted
[12:57] <tarzeau> ogra: not a big difference, 20 years here +-, git2deb, dh_make, debuild and repeat until perfect? :)
[12:58] <tarzeau> ogra: i have the exact same thought the other way around. but this is fine.
[12:58] <ogra> indeed
[12:58] <tarzeau> having also done solaris pkg (that was painful), i might give snap creation another try
[12:59] <tarzeau> oh and rpm spec files, that was painful too
[12:59] <ogra> yeah rpm haunts you at night once you start with it ... 🙂
[12:59] <tarzeau> ogra: does snap has a solution to snappify fonts? with equivs i was able to quickly create: http://sid.ethz.ch/fonts/deb/
[13:00] <ogra> anyway we're OT ...
[13:00] <ogra> you'd have to get them included in one of the desktop extensions (shared libs, themes and such)
[13:01] <ogra> you *could* create a standalone content snap for them but would have to also give developer instrutions for people wanting to use them
[13:03] <tarzeau> so they'd not be automatically available to all users on the system?
[13:03] <tarzeau> btw that reminds me of asking. does snap have a user mode, as in unpriviledged users can install/remove/update snaps?
[13:04] <tarzeau> like i'm only a user on a system...
[13:04] <ogra> if they are a content snap they'd be available for consumption by any other snap ... for non-snap you'd indeed have to adjust the font paths to look in the snap dir
[13:06] <ogra> snapd has a different concept ... there is one "owner" of the system (i.e. the admin) ... if you do a "snap login" from a machine you can call all snap commands wihout sudo ...
[13:06] <tarzeau> thanks for the clarification
[14:09] <parlos> Good Morning, I've got a USB hub with +2 USB-2-serial adapters. The first plugged in is detected, and named ttyUSB0, subsequent, ttyUSBx. I can read/write ttyUSB0 (minicom), but ttyUSBx I can only read. It seems that my keypresses (minicom) are not sent. Its the same rights on all ttyUSB*. Any idea, what Im missing.
[14:10] <jhutchins> parlos: minicom has some serious problems autodetecting devices.
[14:10] <jhutchins> parlos: I assume you've tested the other devices as the only/first one plugged in?
[14:11] <jhutchins> parlos: What are you using the serial devices for?
[14:12] <parlos> My test sequence was, test on laptop (minicom, on mac (sorry)). Worked, disconnect and attach to USB hub. Detected (syslog). Started minicom. No response.
[14:13] <parlos> Restarted device (while minicom connected), output from device as expected. But at the end (login promt), no reaction to keypresses..
[14:14] <parlos> The idea was to use the serial port as a fall-back, as Im connecting to switches.. and have a problem with the net config, and your ssh is gone.
[14:14] <jhutchins> parlos: It's been a long time since I worked with serial devices, minicom is just not suited to a multi-port environment.  I don't know what other options are available.
[14:15] <parlos> I've used minicom since 2008, with multi-ports, no problem.  Dont think its a minicom issue.
[14:15] <jhutchins> parlos: I'm pretty sure there are other options for serial com on a Mac, we used them for dial-up.
[14:16] <oerheks> parlos, is that hub selfpowered?
[14:16] <parlos> No, its powerd.
[14:16] <oerheks> ok
[14:16] <parlos> I've tested 3 different hubs.
[14:16] <parlos> Last hub worked in site 1, with minicom and 7 ports.
[14:17] <parlos> This is from a ubuntu 22.04 lts server.
[14:41] <jhutchins> parlos: Running on a Mac?  (You said it was a Mac.)
[14:42] <parlos> jhutchins: I used my laptop (mac) to verify that the other side of the serial port was alive. Then I moved the cable from laptop, to usb hub.
[14:50] <Vercas> How can I debug what goes on in an initramfs? I have a machine where I'm trying to make Ubuntu let me decrypt its disks over the network using Dropbear.
[14:50] <Vercas> It's a bit special.
[14:50] <Vercas> I've got many machines where I do just this and it works fine.
[14:51] <Vercas> But this machine in particular is running a custom-ish Ubuntu-based distro. Not sure what about it is set up differently/wrongly that makes it fail to do networking in the initramfs.
[14:52] <oerheks> ' custom-ish Ubuntu-based distro'   worries me
[14:52] <oerheks> see topic
[14:52] <Vercas> It's Ubuntu Asahi.
[14:53] <Vercas> My IRC client won't display the full topic... not sure how to convince it to show it all. 🤦
[14:53] <oerheks> any client show that.
[14:54] <ogra> Vercas, perhaps try #ubunu-devel
[14:54] <oerheks> maybe # asahi is their support channel? not here, we have no clue about those scripts
[14:54] <Vercas> Well, The Lounge seems to be special. Or I'm the special one, heh.
[14:54] <oerheks> https://www.ubuntuasahi.org/
[14:54] <Vercas> Ubuntu Asahi is made by one guy on GitHub, it's not part of the Asahi effort.
[14:54] <Vercas> ogra, I'll try, thank you.
[14:54] <oerheks> oh, they give support in #ubuntu-asahi channel of OFTC.
[14:54] <ogra> i'm sure ubuntu will eventually merg the asahi bits so it isnt too far off from "being a supported part" ... but likel not for #ubuntu yet
[14:55] <Vercas> Huh. Well, wish me luck there. I already tried getting help on GitHub and got nothing.
[14:55] <ogra> *merge
[14:55] <Vercas> It would be wonderful if Ubuntu would support Apple Silicon devices officially. :)
[14:55] <ogra> yes, many devs use them already ... but mainly with multipass for ubuntu stuff
[14:55] <oerheks> if there would be a large userbase, it could speed up
[14:56] <ogra> the M2 is an awesome beast
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> think kernel 6.x will be supporting m1 on ubuntu?
[14:58] <ogra> likely, but thats not enugh
[14:58] <ogra> you want all the userspace bits too ... OpenGL/Vulkan/Mesa etc etc
[14:58] <Vercas> lotuspsychje, Ubuntu would need a special installer, like Asahi's.
[14:58] <ogra> audio, power mgmt
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> yeah asahi is working hard on those
[14:59] <Vercas> It needs to do things like extracting specific firmware blobs from macOS and making them available to the Linux install.
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> maybe its an idea to try ubuntu 23.10 on your machine Vercas just to see
[15:00] <Vercas> You mean Ubuntu Asahi based on 23.10?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> no
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !23.10
[15:01] <Vercas> How will this help with my situation, though?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> linux-image-generic (<IP_ADDRESS>.21, mantic
[15:01] <Vercas> As I said, I have _many_ machines which are decrypted via Dropbear in the initramfs. It works just fine.
[15:01] <Vercas> Something's wrong with the way Ubuntu Asahi is set up and I am trying to figure out exactly what's wrong with it.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> Vercas: well this channel can only support the ubuntu side of things
[15:02] <Vercas> I get that. My question was "how do I figure out what goes on in the initramfs?""
[15:02] <Vercas> s/""/"
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> ogra and oerheks already pointed you to the right direction Vercas
[15:03] <leftyfb> Vercas: you really need to seek support from "Ubuntu Asahi"
[15:03] <Vercas> I get that, yes.
[15:03] <Vercas> I'll bother them about this.
[15:05] <orbitoo> in ubuntu, using apt, is there a way to instruct it to try different mirrors instead of failing out, if one mirror is unresponsive?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> sudo apt update orbitoo
[15:06] <leftyfb> orbitoo: use archive.ubuntu.com. That should select the most appropriate mirror to you
[15:08] <orbitoo> leftyfb: it appears that's what it does, just sometimes the mirror it selects is unresponsive.   This is ocuring during the build of an ubuntu based docker image, sometimes the build process (which takes half an hour) fails because a mirror fails.   It's not critical, just... annoying
[15:09] <orbitoo> happens like, 1 out of every 8 or 10 launches.
[15:09] <leftyfb> we get the same thing in our CI as well
[15:09] <orbitoo> so if there's no good fix, then no big loss.  we stay on top of it
[16:07] <esv> hey, I am trying to upgrade the kernel on an 18.04 from 5.4.0-1077 (azure) to the latest but only find 1080, is there anything I can check?
[16:07] <esv> apt-mark showhold does not list anything.
[16:07] <oerheks> 18.04 is EOl
[16:08] <oerheks> unless you have ESM/pro.. then you would get kernel updates
[16:12] <esv> can they do a distro upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 then 22 or are they SOL unless they get Pro support?
[16:15] <leftyfb> !eolupgrade | esv
[16:16] <Selu> Hola
[16:21] <Selu> .
[16:23] <leftyfb> !support | Selu
[18:08] <augusto> |list
[18:08] <augusto> !lista
[18:41] <ksawkx> .
[18:41] <leftyfb> !support | ksawkx
[19:01] <Guest65> hello
[19:01] <Guest65> where the network config are saved?
[19:02] <leftyfb> Guest65: you're going to have to be more specific. What release of ubuntu are you running? Desktop or server? If desktop, which DE?
[19:03] <Guest65> desktop
[19:03] <Guest65> i have set up vlans but i, where is the config for it saved?
[19:04] <leftyfb> Guest65: ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:05] <Guest65> uu 22.04
[19:06] <leftyfb> Guest65: the command should give you a URL as a result. Please post the URL here
[19:07] <Guest65> ?? it contains no more information, but okay: https://termbin.com/6u3h
[19:08] <leftyfb> Guest65: it does, you're running LXDE. I don't know for sure if that runs network manager. You can try asking in #lubuntu
[19:09] <Guest65> it uses NM
[19:09] <leftyfb> Guest65: if you are running network manager, the profiles are in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections. But you should not mess with the files directly. You can try using nmcli or nmtui to manage from a command line if for some reason the GUI doesn't do what you want
[19:10] <Guest65> it contains only my Wifi APs
[19:11] <Guest65> not my vlan configuration
[19:12] <leftyfb> Guest65: VLANs are attributes of network profiles. Not separate configs. How did you create your "vlan configuration" exactly?
[19:13] <Guest65> but i can use "ifconfig -a | grep enp" to list my enp1s0f0 vlans
[19:15] <leftyfb> Guest65: first, ifconfigifupdown is deprecated. Stop using it. Use "ip". Second, your command just lists interfaces and will show vlans as part of those. It does not set anything, and even if it did, it's only temporary and not a saved config. Do not use ifconfig or ip in this case, use network manager. Or if you insist on the command line, use nmcli or nmtui
[19:15] <Guest65> with 'ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev enp1s0f0.5' i have added a vlan for example
[19:16] <leftyfb> no, you added an ip address to an interface
[19:16] <leftyfb> and again, it's only temporary. It does not get saved across reboots or interface status changes
[19:17] <leftyfb> Guest65: what are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[19:17] <Guest65> how can i add vlan to an interface?
[19:19] <leftyfb> Guest65: what you're looking for is called is a vlan tag. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/networking_guide/sec-configure_802_1q_vlan_tagging_using_a_gui
[19:20] <leftyfb> by default, the default NM GUI doesn't allow for it. You can use the documented nm-connection-editor or nmcli https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/networking_guide/sec-configure_802_1q_vlan_tagging_using_the_command_line_tool_nmcli
[19:34] <Guest65> and what makes if i create for example enp1s0f0.22 network?
[19:35] <leftyfb> Guest65: huH?
[19:38] <oerheks> netplan ..
[19:38] <Guest65> works the another interface not?
[19:38] <leftyfb> oerheks: netplan is not in use when NM is in use
[19:39] <leftyfb> Guest65: can you please clarify what you are asking at this point?
[19:39] <leftyfb> nm-connection-editor should allow you to add a vlan tag id to an interace
[19:40] <leftyfb> or nmcli
[19:46] <Guest65> how can i delete enp1s0f0.5 and enp1s0f0.5.22 interfaces?
[19:46] <leftyfb> Guest65: how did you create them?
[19:46] <Guest65> *enp1s0f0.22
[19:47] <Guest65> with 'sudo ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev enp1s0f0.22' for example
[19:47] <leftyfb> Guest65: reboot
[19:47] <Guest65> really? no another solution?
[19:48] <sarnold> ip link delete?
[19:48] <Guest65> good idea :D
[19:49] <Guest65> thanks
[19:49] <oerheks> first make sure that interface is down
[19:50] <Guest65> sure, interfaces was never up
[19:54] <Guest65> that was only multiple adresses at the same interface?
[20:00] <lucas_> hi
[21:17] <Hendrikus> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz (2,30GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15,1 GiB Total (11,7 GiB Free) Swap: 957,0 MiB Total (957,0 MiB Free) • Storage: 1,1 TB / 1,4 TB (367,9 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation CoffeeLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics 630] @ Intel Corporation 8th Gen Core 4-core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers [C
[21:17] <Hendrikus> offee Lake H] • Uptime: 1h 22m 35s
[21:55] <SnoopJ> Is the Ubuntu manpage for `lintian` messed up? It claims to list the built-in checks, but all I see is `CHECKS COLLECTION @COLLECTION@`
[21:56] <SnoopJ> (this is on 20.04, I didn't check 22.04 yet)
[21:57] <jhutchins> !bugs
[21:57] <jhutchins> SnoopJ: I think that's appropriate to report as a bug.
[22:07] <SnoopJ> oh huh it's even worse in 22.04, the manual refers to the section, but the section isn't present at all
[22:09] <jhutchins> SnoopJ: So nobody proof-read the man pages before packaging.
[22:10] <oerheks> could well be this old bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian/+bug/1758639
[22:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1758639 in lintian (Ubuntu) "package lintian 2.5.22ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: unable to move aside './usr/share/doc/lintian' to install new version: Operation not permitted" [Undecided, New]
[22:10] <SnoopJ> The second bit might be an upstream bug in Debian, I see the bookworm manual also refers to a non-existent section
[22:11] <SnoopJ> yep: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1021649
[22:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1021649 in lintian "lintian.pod: No 'CHECKS' section in man page" [Wishlist, Open]
[22:11] <jhutchins> I've seen packages where the man page was just a stock template with the bare minimum headers.
[22:13] <jhutchins> I think I'd rate that higher than wishlist.  How are you supposed to make it work if the man page isn't there?
[22:14] <SnoopJ> well, lintian "works" without that information if you just run every check, but it's a mild nuisance to have to hunt for the list somewhere else
[22:14] <SnoopJ> if you want to use those options, that is
[22:15] <jhutchins> Does it do any good to report a bug that's actually upstream?
[22:15] <SnoopJ> the section being present but empty in 20.04 miiight be worth reporting
[22:15] <Cougar> I AM Sparticus.
[22:15] <jhutchins> I know some distros it gives the upstream reporting more weight because it comes from the packagers not just random users.
[22:16] <SnoopJ> if only because it might point to some broader issue with documentation if a tool that close to the bedrock is getting garbled in doc
[22:16] <jhutchins> I guess the cool guys never read man pages, they read the code.
[22:16] <SnoopJ> for some value of "cool" :)
[22:19] <Cougar> what network protocal is best used in kvm
[22:19] <Cougar> NAT or otherwise .  thanks.
[22:19] <Cougar> desktop.
[22:20] <Cougar> AND: I am using a vpn, if i change location, will it change config.
[22:21] <Cougar> end
[22:24] <Cougar> Please appreciate my ignorance.
[22:29] <Cougar> The reason i ask is: ubuntu does many things different, and i do not what my build infected with bogus and amplified files that conflict.
[22:29] <sarnold> Cougar: different VPN protocols will cope with location changes differently; I expect wireguard probably survives location changes without trouble, but openvpn doesn't take kindly to even minor hiccoughs
[22:30] <Cougar> ah, there in lies my problem = open vpn.. good call, how can i survive that ?
[22:31] <sarnold> good question. I just deal with restarting my vpn connection periodically :(
[22:32] <Cougar> when kvm is active ?
[22:32] <SnoopJ> For anyone playing along at home, I filed a bug against `lintian` here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian/+bug/2023697
[22:32] <Cougar> virt
[22:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2023697 in lintian (Ubuntu) "manpage refers to but does not include list of checks" [Undecided, New]
[22:34] <Cougar> Interesting, im going to have to investigate, thanks sarnold
[22:34] <Cougar> have a good day folks
[22:34] <Cougar> end
[23:49] <stefan_> Hi, i was wondering, does anybody know how to disable a latpops keyboard on wayland? I used to use xinput on xorg, but can't seem to find a way to do this on wayland. I like ti use an external keyboard when on my laptop.


[01:01] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ping
[01:01] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/EZwf1AZ mhall119^ what do you think?
[12:19] <Garheade> ahoneybun: are those moo minis?
[12:34] <mhall119> ahoneybun: what is that image for?
[18:41] <ahoneybun> Garheade: they are mini moo cards
[18:41] <ahoneybun> mhall119: the image?
[18:41] <ahoneybun> the contact image from design.ubuntu.com
[19:02] <Garheade> ahoneybun: I won't lie, I'm not a fan of the mini's. I bought some a couple years ago and people kept complaining that they would lose them.
[19:07] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[19:07] <ahoneybun> its more about the design that I'm asking about Garheade
[19:07] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ^
[19:10] <fsfsmari> What did I just walk in on?
[19:12] <ahoneybun> just talk about that card I was making
[19:13] <fsfsmari> Oh, cool. I'm imagining that everyone likes it as much as I do? :)
[19:16] <ahoneybun> fsfsmari: Garheade does like that I was using the mini size
[19:16] <ahoneybun> but other then that I 'm not sure
[19:16] <fsfsmari> I didn't know they were mini size.
[19:16] <fsfsmari> That is quite cool.
 ahoneybun: I won't lie, I'm not a fan of the mini's. I bought some a couple years ago and people kept complaining that they would lose them.
[19:21] <fsfsmari> Sounds like their problem, not yours. ;)
[19:22] <Garheade> ahoneybun: I think I still have some if you want to see them.
[19:22] <Garheade> and fsfsmari if they lose my contact info it IS my problem because then they wont reach out to me.
[19:22] <ahoneybun> I'm looking at the full size one as I can fit the whole loco link in that one
[19:23] <Garheade> ahoneybun: Good choice
[19:23] <ahoneybun> I've seen one before Garheade the LibreOffice guy I met last year had one
[19:24] <ahoneybun> Garheade: http://imgur.com/JhgC5wV
[19:24] <ahoneybun> fsfsmari: mhall119 ^^^
[19:25] <fsfsmari> Do not want.
[19:25] <fsfsmari> It's like some kind of ancient runic riddle or something, haha
[19:26] <fsfsmari> Also, too much information.
[19:26] <Nothing_Much> whoa, that's that?
[19:27] <ahoneybun> yea perhaps fsfsmari
[19:27] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: LoCo card I'm working on
[19:28] <fsfsmari> I don't think the G+ link looks very good.....I think people will look for you on there anyway.
[19:28] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:29] <ahoneybun> fsfsmari: you know the trivia is not on meetup
[19:30] <fsfsmari> Yeah......I got lazy.
[19:30] <fsfsmari> Everyone knows it's every week now. ;)
[19:31] <ahoneybun> it looks pretty clear for a bike ride
[19:34] <Garheade> ahoneybun: That looks decent
[19:34] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:35] <Garheade> ahoneybun: you need a http://gplus.to/ link to shorten up your g+ profile link
[19:43] <Garheade> Also, hi fsfsmari
[19:43] <fsfsmari> Hi Garheade!!
[19:50] <Nothing_Much> Amazon instant video works on Linux now.
[19:59] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: in Chrome, yes
[19:59] <ahoneybun> fsfsmari: 6:45 trivia?
[19:59] <Nothing_Much> What about Chromium?
[20:00] <fsfsmari> Indeed! See you there?
[20:00] <ahoneybun> I plan on it fsfsmari, let's see if the world agrees lol
[20:01] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: I think Chrome has pepper flash plugin builtin
[20:01] <fsfsmari> Ha. I'm still at work...I'm NEVER here this late on Wednesdays.
[20:02] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: I'll test, just need to grab it just have firefox and chrome atm
[20:02] <Nothing_Much> Ah cool.
[20:57] <DammitJim> is iptables default on ubuntu?
[20:59] <Garheade> DammitJim: yes


[00:07] <cjwatson> dhillon-v10: incorrect because grub is still present
[00:07] <cjwatson> dhillon-v10: many people are still using grub rather than grub2 for one reason or another.  please don't be discourteous and just close all their bugs
[00:10] <cjwatson> dhillon-v10: please reopen any bugs you've closed for this reason
[00:10] <cjwatson> I also especially love the way you asked me a question and then waited under ten minutes for a reply before closing the bug :-(
[00:11] <cjwatson> anyway the fundamental issue in that bug still exists in grub2
[00:12] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: sorry about that, that's the only one I closed, I should have waited longer I guess, sorry again
[00:13] <cjwatson> in general closing bugs is at the significantly more experienced end of bug work
[00:14] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: I should have waited longer before closing that bug, will keep that in mind
[00:14] <cjwatson> closing a bug is essentially taking an item off somebody's to-do list; welcome if it's accurate, but you have to have an excellent correctness rate otherwise developers will get a bit annoyed at having to rewrite their to-do list all the time :-)
[00:15] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: true, I am used to the kernel-bug-day style of triaging so now I know that doesn't apply to the installer team :)
[00:15] <cjwatson> in this case there are probably a zillion other instances of the same underlying bug, but it's best not to give the reporter the impression that it's fixed when it isn't
[00:15] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: do you have anything in mind that I can work on?
[00:15] <cjwatson> not at quarter-past-midnight when I'm about to go to bed, sorry ;)
[00:16] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: sorry about that, good night :)
[00:16] <cjwatson> I made some specific comments the other day when you asked, though
[00:17] <cjwatson> well, sort of specific
[00:17] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: yeah, I need to read up more and I did that
[00:17] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: and the idea I want to work on requires discussion and time
[00:18] <cjwatson> so I suggested that there are really quite a lot of crash reports, many of which can be addressed by smallish patches to ubiquity
[00:18] <dhillon-v10> so work on those
[00:18] <dhillon-v10> then
[00:19] <cjwatson> 19:41 <cjwatson> there's a great deal of bug-fixing to be done, and I would recommend starting with that
[00:19] <cjwatson> 19:42 <cjwatson> we could do with people verifying that old crashes have been fixed, *including references to the commits that fixed them* (this is important; don't just say "I can't reproduce this any more" because it's very common for installer bugs to only reproduce in pretty specialised circumstances)
[00:19] <cjwatson> 19:43 <cjwatson> we could also do with people going through crashes that still exist and fixing them
[00:19] <cjwatson> 19:43 <cjwatson> don't get too enthusiastic about closing bugs, it's better for us to improve the software than to keep the bug count artificially low
[00:19] <dhillon-v10> I remeber that :)
[00:20] <cjwatson> in general you will find that it's easier (involves less discussion and time) to make changes that make the installer more robust, versus changes that involve user interface changes
[00:21] <cjwatson> and actually it's quite possible that robustness improvements benefit more people, even if they aren't as sexy
[00:21] <cjwatson> which is for example why one of my current projects is fixing the class of grub bugs that includes your bug above, for good
[00:22] <dhillon-v10> :) okay, the only problem I have sometimes is that i classify bugs wrong, so that leads to a wrong comment, but that was the *only* bug I worked on so that's good :)
[00:23] <cjwatson> if you find you sometimes classify bugs wrongly, then maybe bug triage is not the thing you should be doing at the moment
[00:23] <cjwatson> it's much easier to classify bugs after you have experience working on the software, anyway
[00:23] <cjwatson> I don't in general subscribe to the theory that bug triage is some kind of practice for being a developer; it's a skilled discipline in its own right
[00:24] <cjwatson> much as being a nurse isn't practice for being a doctor - they're different skills :-)
[00:24] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: so what should I focus on then, I did get the code for ubiquity, should I read up on that, I mostly do packaging and documentation atm
[09:38] <dpm> hi cjwatson, a bit late, but I just noticed that the grub gettext support was implemented around December. Is that upstream version going to make it into Lucid? I'm going to point translators to the upstream translation, and I thought I'd just ask, out of curiosity
[09:39] <cjwatson> dpm: it's already in lucid
[09:41] <dpm> cjwatson, ah great, thanks. I did not see the translation template on the imports queue, it's probably not yet generating the .pot template on build
[09:42] <cjwatson> yeah, could be, please file a bug about that
[09:43] <dpm> cjwatson, sure, I was about to do it :)
[09:43] <cjwatson> it's moving pretty fast right now so for the moment it would be good for translators to go upstream anyway
[09:43] <dpm> yeah, I'll point them to go to upstream first
[09:43] <dpm> thanks
[09:44] <dpm> cjwatson, and another question, do you know if the 'debian/pobuild/templates.pot' template in localechooser is merged into any other template, so I can block it from the imports queue?
[09:46] <cjwatson> yes, please block that - it's just the result of merging localechooser's ordinary templates with iso-codes
[09:47] <dpm> ok, thanks!
[13:30] <ev> cjwatson: if you have a brief moment, can you just eyeball this to make sure it's in line with your expectations of how it would be implemented: http://paste.ubuntu.com/362594/
[13:31] <ev> http://paste.ubuntu.com/362596/ - sorry, this one has syntax highlighting
[13:31] <cjwatson> ev: looks plausible
[13:31] <cjwatson> ev: in ubiquity, can we use the city information as well?
[13:32] <cjwatson> nit: the default should be prefixed with http://
[13:32] <ev> what for?
[13:32] <ev> ah, fixed
[13:32] <cjwatson> to plot the correct point on the map, and to select the correct country
[13:33] <ev> ah, duhh.  Sure, I'll work that in
[13:33] <ev> thanks
[13:33] <cjwatson> otherwise woo
[13:35] <ev> indeed, I was very excited to get that email from IS
[15:16] <ev> cjwatson: perhaps I don't understand after all.  What does the full timezone, say "America/New_York" for Boston, not give you that "Boston" does?  Or are you requesting that we use the (lon, lat) pair and the city name to better position the dot?
[15:16] <ev> Perhaps I'm just failing to think of the example that invalidates this
[15:19] <cjwatson> ev: Europe/Berlin and Europe/Vienna are the same time zone, but different countries
[15:20] <cjwatson> I'm requesting that we use the full timezone information to deal with the default for country selection as well as the default for the timezone
[15:42] <ev> cjwatson: Apologies, but I still don't follow.  The database returns zoneinfo entries, not UTC offsets (http://pastebin.com/f55679749).  Cities in Germany will return Europe/Berlin, not Europe/Vienna.  But assuming this is still just an issue of me being thick, what do I need to preseed, debian-installer/country?
[15:43] <cjwatson> cities in Austria will return Europe/Vienna, though :-)
[15:45] <cjwatson> ah, maybe you don't need to do anything.  I think the timezone component already handles converting the selected timezone into a country
[15:46] <cjwatson> which was the bit I had forgotten was there
[15:46] <ev> okay
[15:53] <CIA-41> tzsetup: evand * r507 tzsetup.ubuntu/ (debian/changelog debian/tzsetup-udeb.templates tzsetup): Support getting the timezone from a geoip server (LP: #229884).
[16:02] <CIA-41> tzsetup: evand * r508 tzsetup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.26ubuntu2
[16:06] <CIA-41> ubiquity: evand * r3713 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-timezone.py): Support getting the timezone from a geoip server (LP: #229884).
[16:09] <CIA-41> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3714 ubiquity/scripts/tzsetup: update path
[22:15] <exlt> looking for a little help with preventing the main menu from always being prompted at netboot of lucid - jumped thru every hoop I've found, and I continue to be prompted for it..
[22:15] <exlt> copying boot args and preseed somewhere in a sec
[22:19] <exlt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/362900/ - if someone has a hint, it would be appreciated - I've tried many combinations of $LANG stuff in boot args - getting a little frustrated at this point..
[22:26] <cjwatson> if you're seeing the main menu presented with that, it probably means the installer is hitting an error somehow.  use 'save debug logs' to copy out the syslog and post it for us to see
[22:37] <exlt> I have an install running - interesting thing is that all I need to do is hit the configure network option and everything rolls on as I intended
[22:38] <exlt> mashing on the configure the keyboard option does nothing but dump back to the main menu
[22:39] <exlt> we'll see what the logs look like - I've looked through 'em several times and can't put my finger on it
[22:46] <cjwatson> exlt: I'm used to interpreting the logs
[22:47] <cjwatson> there are several flaws with your locale and keyboard preseeding which I can tell you right off, though
[22:47] <cjwatson> firstly, locale and keyboard stuff needs to be preseeded on the kernel command line, not in the preseed file (unless you're doing initrd preseeding - if you don't know, you aren't)
[22:48] <cjwatson> secondly, discard all of debian-installer/keymap, console-keymaps-at/keymap, console-setup/layout, console-setup/model, and console-setup/variant
[22:48] <cjwatson> thirdly, console-setup/modelcode needs to be pc105 rather than pc104
[22:49] <cjwatson> (I'm reasonably sure, anyway - I know pc104 is technically probably more accurate, but I think pc105 is what we generally set it to anyway)
[22:50] <exlt> http://12.am/etc/lucid/syslog.txt
[22:50] <exlt> I added all those trying to get rid of the menu - only had I think 2 lines in there when I started
[22:53] <cjwatson> right, put the console-setup preseeding on the kernel command line rather than in the preseed file
[22:53] <cjwatson> its basic complaint is that you've asked it to do noninteractive installation at priority critical but it doesn't know the answers to the questions yet
[22:58] <exlt> know what the bare minimum args would be to satisfy?
[22:58] <exlt> I've added and removed a bunch - or if the console-setup/ask_detect=false is required there?
[23:02] <cjwatson> console-setup/layoutcode=us should be sufficient
[23:02] <cjwatson> ditch console-setup/ask_detect=false, you don't need it
[23:03] <exlt> that was another punt..
[23:03] <cjwatson> hmm, there may be something else wrong
[23:03] <cjwatson> you said lucid, I hadn't noticed that before
[23:04] <cjwatson> we recently landed support for translated keyboard names, which could well have broken this
[23:04] <cjwatson> yes, I think so
[23:05] <exlt> yeah - this is lucid installer testing which may go to production prior to lucid release
[23:05] <cjwatson> ev: ^- could you have a look at this?  seems to me that the format of $kbdnames has changed, but ask_debconf hasn't changed along with it
[23:11] <exlt> interesting
[23:31] <exlt> is "INFO: Menu item 'network-preseed' selected" the point where the preseed is actually beginning to be processed?
[23:32] <cjwatson> yes
[23:38] <exlt> I wonder if doing something like an oem-config/enable=true and skipping the keyboard step would get me past that - these are headless servers anyway  ;)
[23:44] <exlt> nah, doesn't seem to
[23:53] <cjwatson> you're probably stuck until we fix the bug, I'm afraid