[00:00] <rmrfslash> not that a lib "runs"
[00:01] <KDesk> rmrfslash: , yes, you dont have it
[00:01] <KDesk> rmrfslash: are you using chromium from the ppa?
[00:01] <KDesk> or chrome?
[00:01] <rmrfslash> no
[00:01] <rmrfslash> Chrome
[00:01] <rmrfslash> from Google
[00:01] <KDesk> ah, ok
[00:02] <rmrfslash> now... as for skype
[00:02] <KDesk> do you have the latest version of flash? 10.0 r42
[00:02] <rmrfslash> ummmmm
[00:02] <baron86> hello there.. I want to ask how to install the new Kde 4.4 in kubuntu
[00:02] <rmrfslash> lemme check
[00:02] <KDesk> rmrfslash: shich skype version do you have?
[00:02] <baron86> thnx
[00:02] <rmrfslash> 4.0
[00:02] <rmrfslash> beta
[00:02] <rmrfslash> I installed it like a couple weeks ago (not months)
[00:03] <KDesk> rmrfslash: ah, didn't knew the beta was released
[00:03] <rmrfslash> I tried both the static and whatever the other one is... I think it was the deb for Ubuntu 8.04
[00:03] <KDesk> baron86: the packages are not finished
[00:03] <KDesk> baron86: maybe tomorrow they will finish
[00:03] <baron86> so i am gonna add the ropository and thats all?
[00:04] <rmrfslash> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32
[00:04] <KDesk> baron86: yes, but i don't know which repo is goning to be used, but yes, add repo, update and upgrade
[00:04] <rmrfslash> I got this from adobe
[00:04] <baron86> okie thanx
[00:04] <KDesk> rmrfslash: the latest skype version for linux is <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:04] <baron86> are you from usa?
[00:04] <KDesk> baron86: no, ecuador, south america
[00:05] <baron86> thats the same
[00:05] <baron86> i mean i am from greece
[00:05] <baron86> and its 10 wednesday and thought the repos would be ready
[00:05] <rmrfslash> Sorry I have Skype <IP_ADDRESS> (I was thinking of something else)
[00:05] <rmrfslash> I just checked.
[00:05] <baron86> hope they have fixed the issue with the virtual desktops-activities
[00:06] <KDesk> baron86: sh, yes, but i read in #kubuntu-devel that they have problems, but manybe in some hours the packages will be ready for karmic
[00:06] <baron86> thnx a lot
[00:06] <baron86> i also got a problem with the Amarok if anyone can help.. when i turn it on it plays for 3 seconds and then stops again
[00:07] <KDesk> rmrfslash: i don't know what to do with skype. Did you make some change in ~/.asoundrc ?
[00:08] <KDesk> baron86: be sure to use amarok 2.2.2, and then, try to remove the amarok config in ~/.kde/share/config/amarok*, and if it doesn't work, remove also
[00:08] <rmrfslash> my ~/.asoundrc file just refers to ~/.asoundrc.asound.conf which contains pcm.!default { type pulse } ctl.!default { type pulse }
[00:09] <KDesk> baron86: the ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/ directory
[00:09] <rmrfslash> +/- a dot
[00:09] <KDesk> rmrfslash: do you have pulseaudio?
[00:09] <rmrfslash> no
[00:09] <rmrfslash> I removed it
[00:09] <KDesk> remove both, ~/.asoundrc and ~/.asoundrc.asound.conf
[00:10] <rmrfslash> as soon as I did that I got a message that I was switching to a "better audio" something-er-other
[00:10] <KDesk> rmrfslash: I use it, because it is the only way i can config my 5.1 peakers, but i have no problems, every app use it, so it works ok. The version from karmic.
[00:10] <rmrfslash> those messages fly by too fast
[00:10] <rmrfslash> skype works now
[00:10] <rmrfslash> genius
[00:11] <KDesk> rmrfslash: hehe, that is only that i have many audio problems in the past.
[00:11] <rmrfslash> I'm so happy now.
[00:11] <rmrfslash> If I can only fix this audio crashing nonsense
[00:12] <baron86> this worked... thanx
[00:12] <rmrfslash> rather, Chrome + Amarok thins
[00:12] <rmrfslash> maybe this will fix that too
[00:12] <baron86> KDesk: that worked fine thanx :)
[00:12] <rmrfslash> seems to have
[00:12] <rmrfslash> I have like 16 different audio applications working simultaneously
[00:12] <rmrfslash> multithreading ftw
[00:12] <KDesk> baron86: good to know :)
[00:13] <KDesk> rmrfslash: ah, do you work with audio?
[00:13] <rmrfslash> no
[00:13] <rmrfslash> I mean, I like audio
[00:13] <rmrfslash> I don't necessarily work with it
[00:14] <rmrfslash> I program though
[00:14] <rmrfslash> I like when I finally get tech that was introduced decades ago
[00:14] <baron86> KDesk: do you know how do i return to a previous edition of Amarok?
[00:14] <rmrfslash> :)
[00:15] <KDesk> rmrfslash: hehe, :)
[00:15] <KDesk> baron86: maybe, which version do you have and which do you need? And what doesn't work in the current version?
[00:16] <baron86> 2.2.2 is installed need my previous.. 2.2.0
[00:17] <baron86> the music is not constant.. makes blps
[00:18] <baron86> i have to go now :)
[00:19] <baron86> maybe sometime in the future
[00:19] <KDesk> baron86: it is in the repo
[00:19] <KDesk> baron86: you use aptitude to install the version you want
[00:21] <rmrfslash> hey guys thanks a MILLION
[00:21] <rmrfslash> I'm a happy camper
[00:21] <rmrfslash> a happy kubuntu user
[00:21] <rmrfslash> :P
[00:21] <rmrfslash> I gotta run though
[00:37] <Zhenya> hi guys anyone here?
[00:38] <Zhenya> I'm a total newb...will the repositry upgrade me to kde4.4 or do i have to do it manually?
[00:41] <Bonster> nop
[00:44] <Zhenya> Bonster: what does that mean?
[00:45] <Bonster> Zhenya, means is dist-upgrade
[00:45] <Bonster> not regular
[00:47] <Zhenya> Bonster: ah ok how do i do that? or do we have to wait till like 9.20 or something
[00:47] <WierdAAR> Hello, I notished something quite wierd and hope that someone can help. When ever my laptop is untouched for a while is goes to a screensaver (blackscreen), but when I come back is seems as though is has been doing something that requires a lot of cpu. The fans are blowing, it's warm and until I move the mouse the CPU working diod is flashing almost constantly. Its really wierd. Any ideas?
[00:48] <Bonster> Zhenya, well i no about the beta repos, just that the KDE 4.4 final was release today, so should take a few more day to come to kubuntu
[00:48] <Bonster> Zhenya, otherwise if u want the RC version u can upgrade now
[00:50] <Bonster> Zhenya, http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/how-to-install-kde-44-beta-in-ubuntu.html
[01:02] <Zhenya> Bonster: Ifit will come to kubuntu in a few days i'd rather wait!!
[01:02] <Zhenya> thanks :D
[01:28] <Cagadaman> evening!
[01:35] <jepong> anyone excited about kde sc 4.4?
[02:01] <kelopez> well
[02:02] <kelopez> How can I upgrade to KDE SC 4.4? :D
[02:26] <Munchkinguy> I am having trouble building the Raptor menu for KDE in Karmic. Could someone please help?
[02:26] <Squidy> hi.. when will kubuntu offer kde 4.4 in the karmic repository?
[02:28] <pulaski> Hello, This may be off topic, sorry. I run kubuntu 9.10 karmic koala, does anyone know the appropriate channel to ask user questions for the open office app that comes with this distro?
[02:28] <Munchkinguy> Hmm. Maybe I will try asking in #ubuntu.
[02:28] <jc0694> any kopete experts here?
[02:28] <Munchkinguy> plaski: you can probably ask here.
[02:28] <Munchkinguy> *pulaski
[02:28] <pulaski> Munchkinguy: yes?
[02:29] <pulaski> Munchkinguy: I think that remains to be seen.
[02:30] <Munchkinguy> Yeah, and if you don't get an answer here, you can try #openoffice.org
[02:30] <pulaski> Munchkinguy: Aha! completely logical, thank you.
[02:31] <Munchkinguy> You're welcome?
[02:31] <Munchkinguy> You're welcome.
[02:33] <Scunizi> pulaski: you could try here or in #openoffice.org  .. however most of them are on European time and in bead
[02:33] <Scunizi> *bed
[02:35]  * Scunizi thinks it must be lag.. posting answers after answers given
[02:56] <pulaski> Scunizi: Thanks for responding, yes that appears to be the case.
[02:57] <Scunizi> pulaski: never did see your question
[02:57] <Scunizi> about Ooo that is
[03:00] <Scunizi> and I may miss it.. dinner time.. tritip, mashed potatoes and asparagus..
[03:02] <pulaski> I run OOo 3.1 on karmic koala, I've created a large file perhaps 100 pages. Then I began to add footnotes starting at page one.  Today, after adding about 35 footnotes to the first two pages theyall disappeared from the bottom of those pages and reappeared many pages into the file.  How can I ge the footnotes back where they belong? ie at the bottom of the page on which the reference number appears?
[03:04] <pulaski> Scunizi: There's my question.  I'm an inexperienced OOo user.  I want to avoid rebuilding the file, however increasingly it looks like I should break it up into separate files for separate sections and limit the number of footnotes per page.  Do you have any other Ideas Scunizi?
[03:10] <KDesk> pulaski: you will get more help in the openoffice channel.
[03:11] <pulaski> KDesk: thanks for responding.  I'm on #openoffice.org and #kubuntu-offtopic too but everyone appears to be sacked out.
[03:14] <rmrfslash> Hey, it looks like one of the pixels in my display burst and now it looks like something is leaking down the inside of my display
[03:14] <rmrfslash> does this sound like a good thing?
[03:25] <kebomix> how to remove official ati driver 9.10 ?
[03:31] <olskolirc> somewhere in my system, my web pages highlight blue when I highlight and mouse over my tabs, how do I turn it green I don't see blue no where in my system color settings - and the scroll bars too are the same blue
[03:31] <cpk1> I have an odd problem I am not quite sure how to troubleshoot.  I can get sound from multiple sources sometimes but other times it seems like it might be amarok that is blocking my device, I have everything setup to use phonon and it seems to be off and on if I can get sound from multiple sources or not
[03:34] <macisp2000> Ok, I added the PPA/Beta for KDE 4.4, but it only loaded the RC2 version.  How do I get the final that was released today??
[03:35] <kubian> i'm guessing it will be in the ppa..it's in staging right now
[03:36] <pulaski> Scunizi: KDesk: Thanks for responding. gotta go....
[03:36] <darthanubis> macisp2000: this is kubuntu, we donn't do say dat releases
[03:36] <macisp2000> So if I have left alone, the the normal kubuntu updates will/would have installed 4.4?
[03:36] <Kage> macisp2000: things don't come straight from release to getting to the user
[03:37] <darthanubis> macisp2000: it is not like we are fedora or opensuse, or gentoo or...
[03:37] <darthanubis> macisp2000: no
[03:37] <Kage> darthanubis: this is madness!
[03:37] <darthanubis> Kage: of course
[03:37] <Kage> :\
[03:38] <Kage> your suppose to say "THIS IS KUBTUNTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!"
[03:38] <KDesk> hehe, it will come  for karmic to day, or in a few hours, from what I have read.
[03:38] <KDesk> in lucid it is already, from lucid-changes
[03:39] <macisp2000> we don't do say dat releases????
[03:40] <Kage> *sigh*....    I look at all the awesome things the KDE-devs have done.... then I look at my project....
[03:40] <Kage> my project is of little importance :(
[04:16] <ChrisNZ> hello - this working?
[04:17] <ChrisNZ> anyone on?
[04:24] <daskreech> Yes it is
[04:31] <eugenia> hi all
[04:32] <george_1984> hi all
[04:32] <daskreech> Hi george_1984
[04:33] <eugenia_> hi, were is your from?
[04:35] <george_1984> alguien habla español
[04:37] <daskreech> !es
[04:37] <daskreech> george_1984: ^^ por favour
[04:42] <jschall> how do i get 4.4 on karmic?
[04:43] <GSF1200S> is kde 4.4 rc2 shown as kde 4.3.95 in the repos? I have added the ppa and reloaded apt
[04:55] <daskreech> jschall: It'll be up soon.
[04:55] <jschall> daskreech: yaaaaaaaaay
[04:56] <jschall> daskreech: COMPILE FASTER! http://xkcd.com/303/
[04:57] <jschall> is there a good way to get the kde file picker in the gimp?
[04:59] <daskreech> A good way?
[04:59] <jschall> code it myself? =P
[04:59] <daskreech> :-)
[04:59] <jschall> ok, is there any way to get the kde file picker in the gimp?
[04:59] <jschall> apart from coding it myself?
[04:59] <daskreech> A shim possibly
[05:00] <daskreech>  Gimp is a funky beast with fingers ina lot of stuff
[05:00] <daskreech> hard to say what it can do but it's code so in short yes
[05:00] <jschall> alternative image editors?
[05:00] <daskreech> But likely a hack
[05:00] <daskreech> Krita?
[05:01] <jschall> is krita good?
[05:02] <daskreech> Not as good as Gimp in some things but it's fantastic for painters
[05:03] <jschall> i don't think you'd like seeing a painting by me.
[05:03] <jschall> you might not want to live any more
[05:04] <jschall> i'm not a very artsy person
[05:04] <daskreech> :-)
[05:09] <jschall> trying to use krita makes me realize how much i've learned about gimp over the years.
[05:09] <jschall> someone needs to make kimp
[05:11] <jschall> gimp 2.7 should be awesome. single window mode is something i'd very much prefer to having to hunt for the damn toolbox thing all the time.
[05:12] <jschall> 14 years and gimp is finally getting the one feature that will make me look at it and say "wow, a real image editing program!"
[05:12] <jschall> "and its FREE SOFTWARE!"
[05:14] <daskreech> :-)
[05:53] <qZone> hi there, can soby tell me why I just can't save my nvidia-settings configiration file as root?
[06:07] <Guest26855> is there a free flashplayer  for konqueror?
[06:10] <qZone> is there a way to configure Kubuntu to use dual 24" screens as one big screen?
[06:12] <jschall> daskreech: 4.4 yet?
[06:12] <jschall> daskreech: where will the package be when its done?
[06:13] <jschall> qZone: depends on video drivers i think
[06:14] <Guest26855> qZone: nvidia?
[06:14] <qZone> jschall: I've got nvidia-settings installed from the restrited drivers, but I can't save it after configuration... no matter whether im root or not!
[06:15] <jschall> qZone: you mean the settings don't stick after reboot or logout, etc?
[06:15] <Guest26855> qZone: http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=862
[06:16] <qZone> well i mean the settings allows me to enable both displays but doesn't allow me to save the new configuration to the xconfig.org
[06:17] <jschall> qZone: xorg.conf
[06:17] <Guest26855> qZone: read down to the 6th paragraph
[06:18] <Guest26855> qZone: hope that helps
[06:18] <qZone> let me give it a go n I'll let u know in a min..
[06:18] <Guest26855> qZone: kk
[06:18] <Guest26855> Does anyone know of a free flashplayer forkonqueror
[06:22] <jschall> kde 4.4 packaged for kubuntu 9.10 yet?
[06:25] <noaXess> good morning
[06:35] <noaXess> is there a way to get a plug and play xorg.conf for my notebook? have a nvidia geforfe gt240m, with a additional hdmi output..
[06:35] <noaXess> i mean, a xorg.conf file, that allow plug in the externam hdmi monitor each time.. and auto reconfigur it..
[06:44] <Carutsu> hello, I need to install libstdc++6-4.1, it doesn't seem to be in the mirrors
[06:45] <Carutsu> is there anywhere I can get it?
[06:46] <jschall> noaXess: i think xorg uses HAL fdi files for config now, especially for what you're talking about
[06:47] <jschall> not sure though, i might not know what i'm talking about
[06:47] <noaXess> jschall: so not changing xorg.conf... have you any other information, faq about that?
[06:47] <jschall> nope =P
[06:47] <jschall> i don't even know if its accurate or not
[06:47] <shadeslayer> ssup?
[07:09] <noaXess> if i install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com, need i first uninstall the build in nvidia driver from karmic?
[07:10] <shadeslayer> noaXess: yes
[07:10] <noaXess> okay.. so.. lets go :).. hope all will work as i want..
[07:11] <shadeslayer> noaXess: because if you dont,when there will be update,the driver will be updated
[07:11] <noaXess> reboot in konsole mode.. how to do that for one time?
[07:12] <shadeslayer> noaXess: reboot via konsole?
[07:12] <noaXess> reboot, so that kdm not start..
[07:12] <noaXess> or set it to off?
[07:21] <lee_> Good morning peopl
[07:21] <lee_> people*
[07:27] <noaXess> yeah..new nvidia beta driver, and problem with flicker screen on logout is gone.. :)
[07:29] <oxymoron> Where is KDE?.
[07:29] <oxymoron> 4.4
[07:50] <binarylooks> The "kubuntu on launchpad" mails on kubuntu-devel make me feel very sad today :-(
[07:53] <andriijas> how do i change primary monitor when running dual screen?
[07:53] <binarylooks> nvidia card?
[07:54] <andriijas> how do i make the taskbar move to my external monitor instead of my laptop screen?
[07:54] <andriijas> binarylooks: yes
[07:54] <binarylooks> sudo nvidia-settings
[07:54] <andriijas> and then?
[07:55] <binarylooks> X server display configuration
[07:55] <binarylooks> and then "make this ...."
[07:56] <binarylooks> there is a bug in there somewhere, youi have to click it, close it and then clilck it again or something very strange like that
[07:56] <binarylooks> it works in my case, but i had to rearrange some plasma stuff
[07:57] <binarylooks> anyway, you can just drag the taskbar to the external monitor
[07:57] <binarylooks> i just tried it on my dual screens
[07:57] <andriijas> its locked
[07:57] <binarylooks> andriijas: unlock it by right clicking on the desktop and saying "unlock"
[07:58] <binarylooks> then click on the little symbol on the left of the panel
[07:58] <binarylooks> right not left
[07:58] <binarylooks> click on screen edge and drag the whole thing over
[07:59] <andriijas> graphical components are unlocked
[08:00] <binarylooks> andriijas: does it work with dragginf the panel to the other screen?
[08:02] <andriijas> binarylooks: i dont know the guy who has the problems turned of xinerama instead. jeez.
[08:02] <andriijas> and know refuses to listen to what i have to tell him from the irc chan..
[08:03] <binarylooks> andriijas: hmmm?!
[08:04] <andriijas> binarylooks: yeah i know.
[08:06] <jschall> hey when can i get kde 4.4?
[08:07] <binarylooks> on karmic i'll take another couple of hours.
[08:09] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Define a couple? :P
[08:09] <oxymoron> binarylooks: 1-24 or more?
[08:10] <binarylooks> oxymoron: until there is an announcment on kubuntu.org
[08:10] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Come on man ...
[08:10] <binarylooks> patience, lucid came first, now its karmics turn, and the developers need sleep also
[08:11] <oxymoron> binarylooks: I have patience, I just want to know when approximatly I could excpect it :) BTW, why Lucid first?
[08:12] <binarylooks> because karmic is supposed to be stable with 4.3, 4.4 is a gift by the kubuntu developers who try to make lucid the best next distro. they have to start somewhere
[08:13] <binarylooks> Hit F5 on this website: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports?field.series_filter=karmic
[08:13] <binarylooks> until you seee more packages arrive, this will be kde sc 4.4
[08:13] <binarylooks> ATM there are only language packs
[08:17] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Ah tthats the spirit, thank you so much :) Supposed to ... not have to :P No I understand how youre thinking, but 4.4 is so wonderful :P
[08:18] <binarylooks> oxymoron: NP, I know ther feeling :_)
[08:18] <Torch> apparently there's no 4.4 for lucid either, though.
[08:19] <oxymoron> binarylooks: The new grouping windows and tab multiple windows in one is amazing and interaction between plasma and apps, wow :P I really hope Nepomuk and KAuth works flawless as well :)
[08:20] <binarylooks> Torch: hmm, i thought I saw the update this morning on my netbook. let me check again
[08:21] <oxymoron> Btw, may I ask whats the new features added to Lucid or planned features I mean :P
[08:21] <Torch> binarylooks: i just dist-upgraded my lucid vm and it got an rc... that seems very broken right now.
[08:22] <binarylooks> Torch: u're right. I saw some 4.4.0 packages and supposed it was the whole thing. Parts are not there yet
[08:22] <Torch> binarylooks: that might explain the brokenness, though ;-)
[08:23] <binarylooks> Torch: its dribblign in. We have to wait untill all is compiled. Currently I'm hanging on virtuoso dependencies
[08:24] <binarylooks> Ahhh, the suspense :-)
[08:24] <Torch> i don't mind the waiting. i do however mind a broken system that can't run kdm.
[08:24] <binarylooks> oxymoron: check the blueprints page on launchpad for "possible" features
[08:25] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Where to find blueprints then I dont remember where to look :P
[08:25] <binarylooks> Torch: Watch out for the "it's alpha software so no production quality" weapon
[08:25] <Torch> binarylooks: hehe.
[08:25] <binarylooks> oxymoron: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid
[08:26] <oxymoron> binarylooks: LoL found it at the same time you posted it :D A little bit tricky to found but I managed :D
[08:27] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Whats AppArmor and KMS? :P Btw I think we can expect some heavy boot time upgrade :P
[08:28] <binarylooks> oxymoron: AppArmor is some kinf of firewall
[08:28] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[08:28] <binarylooks> oxymoron: KMS means Kernel Mode Switching and allow for seamless resolution switching during startup. so no flickers
[08:28] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Ah sounds logical :P
[08:29] <binarylooks> !AppArmor
[08:29] <jschall> binarylooks: any estimate on when the packages will show up on the ppa?
[08:29] <binarylooks> jschall: don't ask me, I'm not a developer, i just look at kubuntu-devel sometimes and follow the ppas
[08:30] <oxymoron> binarylooks: It seems they are optimizing the performance, stability and boot time in Lucid
[08:31] <jschall> i don't understand the whole "boot time" war.
[08:31] <binarylooks> jschall: estimation is about 3 to 4 hours, but things can still go wrong
[08:31] <jschall> why focus on boot time when you can focus on making suspend to ram, you know... actually work.
[08:31] <jschall> which it does... sometimes.
[08:31] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Also mobile ARM support :)
[08:31] <Torch> jschall: because boot time is something kubuntu can affect. suspend to ram, not so much.
[08:31] <binarylooks> jschall: well suspend to ram is too much linked to the graphics drivers
[08:32] <jschall> yeah. anyway, suspend to ram usually works nowadays, so why bother putting SO much focus on boot time. I'd rather have cool features and bugfixes.
[08:33] <binarylooks> jschall: My guess is it is marketing related.  :P
[09:15] <Tm_T> Manchy: Kubuntu support (:
[09:15] <BusMaster> jschall, thanks :)
[09:15] <Manchy> is kubunto your mothers name?
[09:16] <Manchy> byebye
[09:16] <jschall> Tm_T: thank you
[09:16] <jschall> Tm_T: i think you scared them away
[09:17] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Hahaha, removes priviliegies from himself :D
[09:18] <tdn> How do I stop a service from starting automatically on system startup?
[09:18] <ikonia> that's freenode policy
[09:18] <jschall> tdn: what service?
[09:18] <tdn> jschall, postgresql
[09:20] <jschall> tdn: sudo update-rc.d -f postgresql remove
[09:20] <tdn> jschall, ok. Thanks.
[09:20] <jschall> tdn: should do it i think.
[09:20] <jschall> anyone have a better way?
[09:20] <Kolia> jschall: that can't be done from system-settings > advanced > autostart?
[09:21] <jschall> Kolia: don't think so.
[09:21] <Kolia> .. maybe not for db server
[09:21] <jschall> tdn: to put it back sudo update-rc.d postgresql defaults
[09:21] <tdn> jschall, ok.
[09:29] <flazard> kubuntukubuntukubuntu
[09:32] <oxymoron> flazard: Is free, free free :D
[09:36] <aapzak> any news on 4.4 release date (in PPA)?
[09:36] <Tm_T> aapzak: "soon" (:
[09:37] <aapzak> :)
[09:37] <aapzak> I'm looking forward to it
[09:45] <smellyno1er> I have to press ` twice for it to show up once. The first time it doesn't register, the second time it shows up?
[09:45] <smellyno1er> Anybody know why that would happen?
[09:47] <PascalFR> is kde 4.4  available in ppa ?
[09:47] <aapzak> not yet :)
[09:48] <Tm_T> smellyno1er: because in your keyboard layout that character is typically used as combination with some other character
[09:48] <Tm_T> like é
[09:49] <smellyno1er> è
[09:49] <smellyno1er> à
[09:49] <smellyno1er> ì
[09:49] <aapzak> maybe wrong channel to ask, but I read quite often that people find fedora's KDE better than Ubuntu's. What's your take on this?
[09:49] <smellyno1er> Hmmm - I don't like that
[09:49] <Tm_T> smellyno1er: that character is meant to be used like that, if you use it differently, something is wrong typically (:
[09:49] <Torch> smellyno1er: pick a keyboard layout with no dead keys then
[09:50] <smellyno1er> Tm_T: If you use the linux command line or PHP then you need to use it occasionally
[09:50] <Tm_T> aapzak: nonsense (and yes wrong channel, try "kubuntu-offtopic"
[09:50] <Tm_T> smellyno1er: no, you should use ' then I suppose
[09:50] <aapzak> I was thinking channel fedora :)
[09:50] <smellyno1er> Awesome - ` Is working as expected now :) Thanks Tm_T and Torch
[09:51] <FeasibilityStudy> The KDE4.4rc2 borked my install last night..Had to reinstall the whole OS.  I am mad as a mofo
[09:51] <aapzak> Dutch keyboard does that (in windows at least), thats why I always go with default keyboards and localization
[09:52] <aapzak> FeasibilityStudy: I didn't have that problem with rc2, what happened?
[09:52] <FeasibilityStudy> aapzak rebooted and it gave black screen over and over.
[09:53] <FeasibilityStudy> guy in #kde chat told me that it was known to be screwed up
[09:53] <FeasibilityStudy> said Kubuntu devs suck
[09:53] <aapzak> ok, worked for me though
[09:53] <aapzak> Tm_T: see ;)
[09:53] <_gm> FeasibilityStudy: rc2 works ok
[09:53] <Tm_T> FeasibilityStudy: ah, you should use filter when getting information from IRC (;)
[09:53] <ToxinPowe> and for me and others
[09:54] <Tm_T> aapzak: yup, I don't care of ranting without proper argumentation
[09:54] <ToxinPowe> is "always" kubuntu devs suck? bullshit
[09:54] <aapzak> Tm_T: you're right
[09:54] <FeasibilityStudy> hey this was from a kde upstream developer
[09:54] <Tm_T> anyway, this is offtopic
[09:55] <Tm_T> FeasibilityStudy: many Kubuntu devs are also upstream developers
[09:55] <aapzak> aren't there kubuntu devs in the KDE project, strange that some #kde dev would make such a statement
[09:55] <_gm> FeasibilityStudy: if i had faced such problem i'd issued a rm -rf ~/.kde instead of removing whole os
[09:56] <aapzak> _gm: I guess you'll find quite a lot of people who'd reinstall under the ubuntu users, since is one of the easiest linuxes to begin with
[09:57] <aapzak> reinstalling is windows-user behaviour, they're used to that way of fixing the OS
[09:57] <aapzak> (not all of them obviously :) )
[09:58] <_gm> if i was a windows user that's what i would do when i'd problems with it
[09:58] <FeasibilityStudy> aapzak: in my case is was easier to reinstall rather than having to try and figure out how to downgrade
[09:58] <_gm> ;-)
[10:01] <aapzak> FeasibilityStudy: ok, excellent. I hate all the extra tuning before I can actually use my system so I try to keep it running for as long as I can.
[10:03] <_gm> the only think which is irritating me since ages is loosy loading of files/directories in dolphin,nautilus and file selectors
[10:06] <ct529> hi! I have difficulties on making flash player work on konqueror in kubuntu 910 64 bit, with kde 434 .... anyone who can help?
[10:06] <_gm> it's fast but files and directories container flickers when you go back and forward
[10:06] <ct529> actually even on MF it does not work too well
[10:10] <ct529> I have difficulties on making flash player work on *ubuntu 910 at 64bit .... in Firefox cannot use the BBC iplayer .... which I can easily do on 32 bit
[10:15] <seraphim1> i search an rdp client who support printer fowarding to the windows terminal server from a ubuntu client ....
[10:22] <alvin> seraphim1: rdesktop?
[10:22] <alvin> seraphim1: There is only one rdp client for Linux, as far as I know. (There is another one, but it's beta)
[10:23] <Kolia> alvin: krdc?
[10:24] <alvin> Kolia: krdc used rdesktop
[10:24] <Kolia> aha
[10:24] <alvin> Kolia: krdc used rdesktops/used/uses
[10:24] <Kolia> ;)
[10:24] <alvin> Well... you know
[10:24] <Kolia> but doesn't look like talking of printers in its config
[10:25] <alvin> Kolia: No, it doesn't. If you want that, you'll have to use the command line
[10:25] <xt> How do you get version 4.4 on karmic?
[10:25] <alvin> xt: wait a bit :-) It's expected 'soon'
[10:25] <alvin> We can all start filing bugs later today
[10:26] <xt> should I install the RC then?
[10:26] <alvin> xt: No, I would wait. The final is probably arriving today
[10:27] <alvin> There will be some bugfixes between RC2 and final.
[10:31] <Kolia> alvin: it's expected on the kubuntu beta ppa?
[10:31] <alvin> Kolia: There will be an announcement on http://www.kubuntu.org I'd wait until the announcement, because then you know all packages are uploaded. Otherwise, you could end up with a broken system.
[10:32] <xt> kubuntu.org doesn't have RSS ><
[10:32] <vi390> hi - having problems with Workspace switching, using Key Shortcuts. It should be (ALT + STRG + Cursor r-l) I have a MAC keyboard, and it does not work. Is that done in Setup for Workspace mangement?
[10:36] <alvin> xt: Hit F5 ;-)
[10:36] <xt> I don't see anything different
[10:40] <Kolia> alvin: just asking about the location, not about the "when". i'm not 'that' impatient :)
[10:41] <alvin> Kolia: I understand you. What I meant was that the location will be posted there.
[10:41] <Kolia> alvin: ok!
[10:49] <bobenceto> Are KDE SC 4.4 packages coming soon?
[10:52] <ToxinPowe> yes
[11:00] <oxymoron> What partition manager do you guys recommend if I should use one?
[11:03] <binarylooks> does anybody know what this {a} means that I get after package names sometimes?
[11:04] <ToxinPowe> oxymoron: I use gparted and works fine
[11:05] <oxymoron> ToxinPowe: Why not qtparted? :)
[11:05] <Torch> oxymoron: kde partition manager, of course
[11:05] <ToxinPowe> because I was a gnome user :)
[11:05] <ToxinPowe> I don't know qparted
[11:05] <oxymoron> Torch: Is it in ppa?
[11:06] <Torch> oxymoron: i think it's part of universe or multiverse
[11:06] <Torch> oxymoron: it's also on kde-apps.org for kubuntu
[11:06] <oxymoron> Torch: the package partitionmanager?
[11:06] <Torch> oxymoron: yes
[11:06] <buckfast> So will kde 4.4 be available to kubuntu anytime soon?
[11:06] <oxymoron> Torch: Alright, yeah it looks real good. Is it possible to change partitions without rebooting?
[11:07] <Torch> oxymoron: not if the partition cannot be unmounted (home and root cannot)
[11:07] <Torch> oxymoron: no linux partition manager can do that, though
[11:08] <oxymoron> Torch: Yeah it is obvious if I am using the partition ... I mean access other partitions that are not in use?
[11:08] <Torch> oxymoron: sure
[11:08] <Torch> oxymoron: just unmount it from with kde partition manager before resizing it (the app will not let you do it otherwise)
[11:08] <Torch> s,with,within,
[11:09] <oxymoron> Torch: Hmm does not start ...? Or does it scan units awhile first? :P
[11:09] <Torch> oxymoron: it does. if it takes ages.... do you have a floppy drive?
[11:09] <ToxinPowe> wow I like Oxygen style theme for firefox, I recommend you guys :>
[11:10] <vi390> can someone tell the command for -changing Workspace- to add it to keyactions
[11:10] <oxymoron> ToxinPowe: Sighs, thats the thing I HATE, why does it have to scan so deep? :S And no i do not have a floppy
[11:11] <Torch> oxymoron: make sure you have it disabled in the BIOS, then... known bug with all linux partition managers. or get kde partition manager 1.0.1 from kde-apps.org which works around that bug.
[11:11] <oxymoron> Torch: ... above xD
[11:12] <oxymoron> Torch: 1.0.1 is the one I got from apt-get so :)
[11:12] <Torch> oxymoron: weird.
[11:12] <Torch> oxymoron: still scanning?
[11:12] <oxymoron> Torch: But the application do not start, it just appear for some seconds and then disappear.
[11:12] <Torch> oxymoron: aha. please run it from a shell and pastebin the output.
[11:13] <oxymoron> Torch: Oh now it popup ... Why on earth does it not have a prelodaer? :S
[11:26] <zibi_> helolo guys
[11:27] <zibi_> can anybody tell me when the kde 4.4 be in repo ?
[11:29] <Lyxal> ich habe eine frage, kann hier ijemand deutsch?
[11:30] <ToxinPowe> zibi_: today or tomorrow I think, when is done :)
[11:30] <mischasworld> lyxal: stell deine frage doch in kubuntu-de
[11:30] <Lyxal> alles kla danke ich versuch mal da rein zu kommen
[11:31] <Tm_T> Lyxal: you should use english in this channel
[11:45] <zibi_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu/pool/main/k/
[11:45] <zibi_> on this repo is kde 4.4
[11:45] <zibi_> can anybody tell me that this is beta or final?
[11:53] <rethus> is there a way to print files (pdf for example) directly with kde kontext-menu ?
[12:06] <pedro__> HI
[12:14] <rethus> is there a way to print files (pdf for example) directly with kde kontext-menu ?
[12:15] <aapzak> I guess noone knows
[12:16] <_gm> rethus: you can write an openoffice macro, which takes input file name as param and converts the file into pdf
[12:16] <_gm> rethus: you can call openoffice macro from command line
[12:17] <_gm> rethus: are you talking about right click menu.
[12:17] <_gm> rethus: i didn't got you at first
[12:17] <rethus> yes in dolphin
[12:17] <rethus> right-click
[12:17] <rethus> print all marked files
[12:17] <rethus> such like this
[12:18] <aapzak> exact, right clicking a pdf in dolphin -> print
[12:19] <_gm> rethus: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3088743.0
[12:40] <rethus> aapzak: ther is no pürint option
[12:40] <rethus> print
[12:51] <aapzak> rethus: I know, I was explaining what I thought you were looking for
[12:55] <aapzak> I believe _gm pointed you in the right direction with that URL, you can create your own context menu actions
[12:58] <_gm> rethus: don't expect a context menu would do all the magic, you would first need to know a way to print files using command line or you can create your own shell script which will take a file as input and send it to print queue
[12:58] <Torch> dbus should be able to help here.
[12:59] <_gm> a context menu is basically a hook in the dolphin
[13:15] <mabz> hello?
[13:18] <Torch> hello mabz
[13:18] <mabz> hiya :D
[13:19] <mabz> I was wondering is this a place to ask questions?
[13:19] <Torch> mabz: just ask, don't ask to ask.
[13:19] <mabz> lol ok, I was wondering how do i reconfigure libnss-ldap from terminal
[13:20] <mabz> like I installed it from: sudo apt-get install libnss-ldap
[13:20] <mabz> but now I need to change it again
[13:21] <Torch> mabz: and there were some questions asked at the end of the install?
[13:21] <Torch> mabz: that you now wish to answer differently?
[13:21] <mabz> yes
[13:21] <Torch> mabz: try dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap as root
[13:21] <mabz> it asked me some questions, this is the guide I used: http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Configure_Ubuntu_for_Active_Directory_Authentication
[13:21] <mabz> ok will have a shot at that
[13:23] <mabz> I got this as output:
[13:23] <mabz> mabz@silverbookclone:~$ sudo -s reconfigure libnss-ldap
[13:23] <mabz> /bin/bash: reconfigure: No such file or directory
[13:23] <mabz> mabz@silverbookclone:~$ sudo -s dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap
[13:23] <mabz> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: line 6: my: command not found
[13:23] <FloodBotK1> mabz: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:23] <mabz> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: line 8: use: command not found
[13:24] <_gm> mabz: run "whereis dpkg-reconfigure"
[13:25] <mabz> done: dpkg-reconfigure: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure /usr/share/man/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz
[13:25] <_gm> mabz: great
[13:25] <_gm> mabz: now try to run "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap"
[13:26] <_gm> make sure you are running this command as root
[13:26] <mabz> mabz@silverbookclone:~$ sudo -s /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap
[13:27] <mabz> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: line 13: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[13:27] <mabz> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: line 13: `use Debconf::AutoSelect qw(:all);'
[13:27] <mabz> mabz@silverbookclone:~$
[13:28] <_gm> mabz: seems like your dpkg-reconfigure binary is screwed
[13:28] <Torch> _gm: careful.
[13:28] <Torch> _gm: it's not a binary. don't guess.
[13:28] <mabz> crap
[13:28] <_gm> mabz: Torch yeah
[13:28] <mabz> should I get rid  of the package and try again?
[13:29] <Torch> mabz: something is broken on your system
[13:29] <Torch> mabz: either the debconf package or the perl installation is my guess, but it's hard to tell
[13:29] <mabz> it's a virtaulized system, could that be an issue?
[13:29] <Torch> mabz: no
[13:30] <mabz> hmm, I'll try running it on another machine then...
[13:31] <_gm> mabz: weird
[13:31] <Torch> mabz: wait.
[13:31] <Torch> mabz: sudo -s is wrong
[13:31] <Torch> mabz: that expects a shell
[13:31] <crissi> hello. when kde 4.4.0 packages will be available for jaunty (http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu)?
[13:32] <Torch> (though it still works for me here...)
[13:32] <mabz> >< just noticed it's a kubuntu forum, I'm using Ubuntu
[13:32] <_gm> Torch: works for me too
[13:33] <Torch> mabz: doesn't make much of a difference here, though.
[13:33] <James147> crissi: I would guess in a few days, 4.4 was only just released
[13:33] <mabz> ah ok
[13:33] <crissi> i know
[13:35] <_gm> mabz: which version you are using?
[13:36] <mabz> 9.04
[13:36] <_gm> mabz: make sure there is nothing wrong with your package manager (apt)
[13:37] <_gm> mabz: run apt-get update && apt-get -f install
[13:38] <mabz>  I got: /usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file
[13:38] <_gm> run as root **
[13:39] <mabz> sudo -s ?
[13:39] <_gm> sudo apt-get -f install
[13:39] <James147> mabz: just use sudo
[13:39] <druidu> hello! anybody know when KDE 4.4 packages will be up in karmic ppa backports?
[13:41] <aapzak> someone should change the topic :)
[13:41] <James147> druidu: Probally in a few days, there is always a small lag between kde releases and kubuntu packaging them
[13:41] <_gm> aapzak: that's what i was typinhg ;-)
[13:41] <mabz> used sudo, got this:
[13:41] <robin0800> druidu: just got them this morning for lucid
[13:41] <mabz> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[13:41] <mabz> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[13:41] <druidu> I see here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages they already built some of them
[13:41] <druidu> isn't this an automated process?
[13:41] <James147> robin0800: lucid will get them faster as they are less worried about breakeges as its still alpha
[13:42] <_gm> mabz: you can only run one instance of package manager aka (apt) at a time, make sure apt is not already running
[13:43] <druidu> mabz: are you sure you used sudo? the error is 13 - permission denied... what command did you use?
[13:43] <robin0800> James147: yes and they just downloaded automatically 99 of them so far
[13:43] <gigasoft> how to log in  as a root?
[13:43] <mabz> sudo apt-get update && apt-get -f install
[13:44] <druidu> try this:
[13:44] <druidu> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
[13:44] <druidu> && splits the command in two, sudo will only work for first part
[13:44] <James147> gigasoft: "sudo -i"   but it isent advised, best to just run single commands as root "sudo COMMAND"
[13:44] <robin0800> druidu: aptitude is better and safe-upgrade
[13:45] <gigasoft> i meant log in to system as a root not just in terminal
[13:45] <James147> gigasoft: there is no root password by default so no direct way of dooing it
[13:45] <druidu> gigasoft: you can't, kubuntu doesn't use the root account directly, but you can open a prompt and run: "sudo su -" (without quotes) and enter your password
[13:45] <gigasoft> ok
[13:45] <gigasoft> thanks
[13:46] <llutz> sudo -i    not sudo su -
[13:46] <satepc> hmmm
[13:46] <mabz> Hit http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/multiverse Sources
[13:46] <mabz> Reading package lists... Done
[13:46] <mabz> E: Invalid operation instal
[13:46] <mabz> ^last three lines
[13:47] <druidu> robin0800: I usually use aptitude gui and see there if there are any conflicts
[13:47] <_gm> mabz: please fix typos
[13:47] <llutz> mabz:   install    double L
[13:47] <James147> mabz: install  << two l
[13:47] <druidu> I can't wait to get the new backpages, plasma crashes all the time right now
[13:48] <_gm> druidu: are you using rc2?
[13:48] <James147> druidu: what version are you useing?
[13:48] <mabz> yeah double l  in terminal
[13:49] <satepc> I just re-installed Kubuntu, with the windows installer.  Now I have like 10 gigs of unallocated disk space.. How can I use that disk space?
[13:49] <mabz> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[13:49] <_gm> mabz: yes please make sure
[13:49] <James147> mabz: is another package manager open or running?
[13:50] <Sate> Anyone know by any chance?
[13:50] <ToxinPowe> druidu: crash even with a new config? mv .kde .kde-OLD
[13:50] <mabz> actual what I typed in terminal:  sudo apt-get update && apt-get -f install
[13:50] <mabz> you mean sypnatic manager/?
[13:50] <_gm> druidu: ToxinPowe: yes removing ~/.kde fixed crashed on my rc2 install
[13:51] <James147> mabz: yes, close all package managers
[13:51] <mabz> yeah closed them
[13:51] <James147> mabz: then try
[13:51] <_gm> mabz: okay now re run the same command
[13:51] <mabz> keeps asking me if I'm root
[13:51] <_gm> mabz: this command is to make sure there is no broken package on your system
[13:52] <Sate> sudo - s
[13:52] <Sate> password
[13:52] <mabz> got: /usr/bin/apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file
[13:52] <_gm> mabz: :(
[13:53] <_gm> run "sudo -s"
[13:53] <mabz> did that D:
[13:53] <_gm> now run "whoami" to make sure you are now root
[13:53] <mabz> yep I am root
[13:53] <_gm> okay now run the same command
[13:54] <druidu> ToxinPowe: it's a Qt bug that crashes most of the time: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221586
[13:54] <mabz> sudo apt-get update && apt-get -f install
[13:55] <mabz> yep it did it
[13:55] <_gm> mabz: yes
[13:55] <_gm> and what's the output of this command
[13:55] <James147> mabz: dont need the sudo if you are in a root terminal
[13:55] <ToxinPowe> druidu: and it's fixed on final release?
[13:55] <druidu> hopfully they'll upgrade Qt to 4.6.1 with the fix forthis
[13:55] <mabz> Reading state information... Done
[13:55] <mabz> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:56] <_gm> mabz: that's fine
[13:56] <ToxinPowe> druidu: ok
[13:56] <_gm> now run "dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap"
[13:56] <mabz> * Running nssldap-update-ignoreusers...                                 [ OK ]
[13:57] <_gm> mabz: and there was no questionare ;)\
[13:57] <mabz> nope :)
[13:57] <_gm> mabz: this is perhaps another dependency asked thos questions
[13:58] <_gm> did you install libpam-ldap beofre installing libnss-ldap
[13:58] <_gm> ?
[13:58] <mabz> I did it afterwards
[13:58] <mabz> but I want to get back into libnss-ldap
[14:00] <_gm> mabz: run dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config
[14:00] <mabz> awesome it worked :D !!!
[14:01] <mabz> thx man :D
[14:01] <_gm> np
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:04] <ToxinPowe> I have 4.4 on lucid (virtualbox), I wish "move to" to Karmic now xd
[14:05] <mabz> quick question could PAM be used for logging out users by time? for instance user B is  only allowed  to login for 1hr at a time
[14:05] <druidu> ToxinPowe: packages are not yet built for karmic, I'm waiting for them too :D
[14:06] <ToxinPowe> yep, but I'm curious, is much diference from Lucid?
[14:07] <_gm> mabz: yes
[14:07] <_gm> mabz: http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/how-to-set-default-session-timeout-in-linux/
[14:08] <Alejandro18> Ola peña
[14:08] <dsbonafe> Anybody could explain me why my netbeans IDE (with all plugins) didn't acept include iostream or typedef enum {true, false} bool?
[14:08] <mabz> nice
[14:09] <Alejandro18> algun español
[14:09] <ToxinPowe> Alejandro18: #kubuntu-es or English
[14:09] <jussi01> !es
[14:10] <MelisU> !de
[14:10] <mabz> so in theory if I used a pam_mysql module and got TIME feild from a sql table I might be able to use that to allocate time for each user
[14:18] <Alejandro18> okis
[14:18] <Alejandro18> im sory
[14:18] <Alejandro18> Hi
[14:18] <Alejandro18> im from spain
[14:19] <cocis> ciao
[14:20] <Alejandro18> Hi
[14:20] <Alejandro18> Ubuntu 9.10 ¿?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> !ask | Alejandro18
[14:23] <Alejandro18> okis
[14:32] <Squidy> hi.. when is kde4.4 going to be available in kubuntu repository for karmic?
[14:33] <Squidy> does anybody know?
[14:33] <Sate> not sure
[14:33] <Sate> try the forums
[14:34] <James147> Squidy: Will probally be in a few days
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Squidy, http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-2
[14:34] <Squidy> i cant wait..
[14:35] <Squidy> :)
[14:35] <Squidy> BluesKaj: but it's not the final version
[14:35] <jadamcze> I just installed 4.4rc2 on a netbook - it's a big improvement over whatever shipped with 9.10 :)
[14:35] <James147> BluesKaj: Think he means teh final release
[14:35] <BluesKaj> oh, then say so :)
[14:35] <AlasorMe> \list
[14:41] <Sate> whats like the biggest improvements?
[14:44] <James147> Sate: In kde4.4? http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/
[14:44] <aapzak> snapping and tabbing looks very useful
[14:48] <Sate> Thanks
[14:48] <Sate> So we can download 4.4?
[14:51] <James147> Sate: RC2 is availble in the beta ppas, but the final release is not yet availble
[14:51] <James147> Sate: I would expect it to be out in a few days
[14:51] <Sate> So getting 4.4 now would be too soon?
[14:53] <James147> Sate: If you need it "now" you can get it (there is always the option to compile from source) but the easiest way is to way till they add it to the backport ppas
[14:53] <Sate> How do I get it from command line?
[14:54] <markus___> Sate: I recommend to wait for the final release, RC2 is a bit too buggy.
[14:54] <Sate> I mean if I got it now, the final release would just be an "update"?
[14:55] <Sate> Like in the add remove software tab, wouldn't it just update to the final version, or do you have to get that on your own?
[14:56] <James147> Sate: rc2 will be in the beta ppa and final in backports if you ahve both of them active then you can get rc2 now and final when it is realsed
[14:56] <Sate> Will I still have the option to use 4.3?
[14:56] <James147> Sate: packagemanagers will detect th latect version and upgrade to that
[14:57] <James147> Sate: No, you will be upgrading not installing a new version
[14:57] <James147> Sate: and downgrading is very difficault and not supported so dont upgrade unless you are sure you dont want to go back
[14:58] <Sate> So does upgrading erase any personal data or apps?
[14:58] <fire`lala> Sate: make a backup before you upgrade
[14:58] <James147> Sate: It shouldn't do but I would advise a backup anyway... sometimes things just dont do what you want them to :)
[14:59] <Sate> How do you backup files.. Idk if you're noticing, I'm pretty new to linux :P
[14:59] <James147> Sate: I have had to delete config files before on upgrades (mainly during beta upgrades)
[15:00] <James147> Sate: All user files are in /home/USERNAME  back up anything in here that you want. User config files are in hidden files in that path (files that start with a . )
[15:00] <Sate> So make them unhidden, copy files and paste to like a external harddrive?
[15:02] <James147> Sate: in dolphin Alt+. (or use menus) to view hidden files and copy them over.
[15:02] <Sate> Do I go to the package manager to get the 4.4?
[15:03] <James147> Sate: For release candidate 2 (This still has bugs in it) read http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-2   for final you will have to wait
[15:04] <aapzak> Sate: you should wait
[15:04] <James147> Sate: If you cant live with bugs or crashing I would advise you wait
[15:04] <Sate> Well I've been use to 4.3 crashing :p
[15:04] <James147> Sate:  :D
[15:05] <Sate> ARe you currently using 4.4?
[15:05] <aapzak> I've been using it, it's fine
[15:05] <James147> Sate: RC2 yes have been since the betas but I like living on the buggy edge :D
[15:05] <aapzak> but just wait a couple of hours and you spare yourself the trouble of another upgrade
[15:06] <Sate> So this release is pretty close aye
[15:06] <James147> Sate: yes, kde 4.4 has been released, now we jsut ahve to wait for kubuntu to package it
[15:06] <aapzak> probably
[15:07] <Sate> oh so the 4.4 for other distros is out, but the bugs are still on kubuntu?
[15:07] <Snarkfish> hi, i have a issue with a fresh install on my hp pavilion dv7 laptop. installed 9.10 fresh had 158 upgrades installed those, then let jockey install my video drivers, and now i get just a black screen but i can see the mouse cursor
[15:08] <philena> hello
[15:08] <James147> Sate: 4.4 source has been released - http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/ - distros tend to release it slightly after it was only released yesterday
[15:08] <Snarkfish> hi, i have a issue with a fresh install on my hp pavilion dv7 laptop. installed 9.10 fresh had 158 upgrades installed those, then let jockey install my video drivers, and now i get just a black screen but i can see the mouse cursor
[15:09] <aapzak> Sate: packaging can just take some time. 4.4 was released yesterday. It's just a matter of time.
[15:09] <BusMaster> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports?field.series_filter=karmic <-- does this page say that kde 4.4 is now avaliable for karmic? I can't interpret the contents :(
[15:09] <aapzak> try again Snarkfish , maybe thistime some suddenly knows ;)
[15:09] <philena> I upgraded to 9.10 but lost VGA settings.  stuck at 800x600. no desktop or task bars.  have to use shortcut keys to naviage
[15:09] <philena> *navigate
[15:10] <aapzak> whats up with all the screen problems ...
[15:10] <philena> kdesudo not working either
[15:10] <Snarkfish> no idea, but this has never happened before
[15:10] <Snarkfish> to me that is
[15:11] <aapzak> which gfx chip?
[15:11] <Snarkfish> then again i dont normally use jockey to install my video drivers.
[15:11] <philena> I dunno aapzak, I've been searching, and it seems to be something quirky with 9.10
[15:11] <aapzak> nvidia, ati, intel?
[15:11] <Snarkfish> mine is ati
[15:11] <philena> intel
[15:12] <aapzak> and you Snarkfish ?
[15:12] <philena> tried to config my xconf file, but can't get root to work
[15:12] <philena>  x server errors too
[15:12] <aapzak> philena: I have intel gfx but no xorg.conf
[15:13] <aapzak> it could work fine without, have you tried?
[15:13] <James147> philena: what do you mean you cant get root to work? login as root or sudo?
[15:13] <Snarkfish> ati radeon 3200
[15:13] <philena> right James, my kdesudo is not working because of x server errors
[15:13] <raheem> hey guys
[15:14] <aapzak> philena: looks like you're going to go CLI mode now :)
[15:14] <Sate> Ah that sucks Sun corperation got bought out by oracle
[15:14] <James147> philena: use sudo in command line to fix the problem :) no x server errors in there
[15:15] <raheem> pls am having problem with my desktop space in ubuntu9.10
[15:15] <aapzak> raheem: ubuntu or kubuntu? gnome or kde?
[15:15] <James147> raheem: Can you be more speific?
[15:15] <philena> I tried.  both command line and using Alt-f2 to try to change settings or add VGA settings manually
[15:16] <raheem> kubuntu gnome
[15:16] <aapzak> philena: have you tried booting without xorg.conf ?
[15:16] <Sate> James147: I have 10gigs of unalocated disk space.  Any Idea how I can add those gigs to my linux partiion?
[15:16] <aapzak> raheem: thats funny
[15:16] <James147> raheem: Kubuntu with gnome? thats ubuntu :)
[15:16] <raheem> yeah
[15:17] <James147> Sate: Yes.... but I need to know more aobut your setup first
[15:17] <aapzak> raheem: to go short: you probably have a gnome question and most of us are kde users
[15:17] <raheem> am new to d enviroment
[15:17] <philena> yeah, I tried to stop it, but still having permissions problems.  First I gotta figure out how to get root on.. I'm going to try to troubleshoot in safemode.
[15:17] <Sate> James147:  what would u like to know specifically?
[15:17] <raheem> ok thanks james147
[15:17] <aapzak> philena:can you open a terminal with ctrl-alt-f1?
[15:17] <James147> Sate: What operating systems you have, and what harddisks/partitions there are
[15:18] <philena> and I think my HPlib is messing it up too
[15:18] <Sate> James147:  I have Windows XP and kubuntu linux , duel booting on the C drive
[15:18] <raheem> but am having the both kde n gnome???
[15:18] <philena> yeah, but since I don't have a desktop, once I'm in command line mode, I can't get back to firefox
[15:18] <aapzak> raheem: what is your question about?
[15:18] <philena> I have to soft-boot
[15:18] <Sate> firefox in terminal
[15:18] <James147> raheem: did you install kubuntu and install gnome afterwards?
[15:19] <raheem> the compiz setting is not working
[15:19] <raheem> yes
[15:19] <raheem> but my defualt is kde
[15:20] <James147> Sate: what partitions do you ahve on the "C" drive
[15:20] <haasje> ello
[15:20] <philena> Is there a shortcut combo for back/forth from terminal to firefox without a desktop?
[15:20] <Sate> James147:  Can I just send you a pic of gparted?
[15:21] <haasje> die ultimate ed 2.5 is kinda kewl
[15:21] <James147> raheem: is its a compiz problem you could try in #ubuntu you will find more ppl how know stuff about compiz there (its a gnome thing)
[15:21] <raheem> ok
[15:21] <raheem> thanks alot
[15:22] <James147> Sate: a pastebin of the command "sudo fdisk -l" would do
[15:22] <James147> Sate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:22] <aapzak> philena: I'm not sure what you want to do
[15:23] <aapzak> with ctrl-alt-[1-6] you can open virtual terminals. With ctrl-alt-7 you get back into X
[15:23] <aapzak> in those virtual terminals you should be able to login as yourself and perform sudo commands
[15:23] <Sate> James147:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/373292/
[15:24] <philena> First, I need to figure out if this is a driver issue.
[15:24] <aapzak> for instance: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.disabled
[15:24] <James147> Sate: eaagg... you useing wubi by anychange?
[15:24] <Sate> James147:  yes
[15:24] <aapzak> philena: I would rename the xorg.conf file to try how it works without
[15:24] <philena> ok
[15:25] <aapzak> or ...
[15:25] <aapzak> grep EE /var/log/X.0.log
[15:25] <aapzak> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:25] <Snarkfish> what is the new emergency exit for X
[15:26] <nerdy_kid> anyone know when 4.4 is going to hit the ppa?
[15:26] <Sate> James147:  crap james it copied my external hard-drive info too.. I hope that didn't mess you up
[15:26] <aapzak> hihi, when o when will we see a topic change :)
[15:26] <James147> Sate: Makes things more complicated :S I dont think you can do it from linux... it dosent handel resizing ntfs very well... I don't think xp can resize drive either though :S
[15:27] <James147> Sate: Not really can just see that you have two drives wither way with wubi it aint much use
[15:27] <Snarkfish> it used to be alt-ctrl-backspace, what is it now?
[15:27] <Sate> James147:  ouch that stinks just 10 gigs of disk space
[15:27] <zegenie_> Snarkfish: it's the same, it's just disabled
[15:27] <Sate> James147:  I have partion magic on windows xp
[15:27] <James147> Snarkfish: Alt+Print screen+K
[15:27] <Snarkfish> how to enable it?
[15:28] <Snarkfish> that didnt work
[15:28] <genii> !dontzap | Snarkfish
[15:28] <James147> Sate: use that to extend your drive into the unallocated space then
[15:28] <philena> ok aapzak.. brb
[15:28] <aapzak> are you rebooting or grepping the log philena ?
[15:29] <Sate> James147:  I'll probably do something wrong and re-format my c drive :p
[15:31] <Sate> James147:  had a linux question though.. By default Konquour net browser is what it uses, how can I make it use firefox?
[15:31] <James147> Sate: There is always that risk with repartition and resizing partitions :S All I can suggest is back up your data first unplug any external hard drives before trying... Or if that 10 gigs isnt that important then just leave it
[15:32] <James147> Sate: Install firefox... when firefox runs it should ask if you want it to be your default browser
[15:32] <Snarkfish> tanx
[15:32] <Sate> James147:  thats the problem it doesn't.. My friends send me links on pidgin, but it uses that konquour browser instead.. Same with that pastebin link you sent me
[15:33] <Snarkfish> set default apps in system-settings
[15:34] <Snarkfish> ok now this is different.
[15:35] <Snarkfish> i can hit alt-f2 and get the run box but still nothing on the desktop
[15:35] <James147> Sate: System settings >> Default Applications >> web browser
[15:35] <Snarkfish> so the plasma-desktop isnt starting
[15:35] <James147> Sate: check "in the following browser" and type "firefox" in the box
[15:36] <Sate> James147:  yup thanks!
[15:37] <James147> Snarkfish: can you start plasma-desktop manually?
[15:38] <Snarkfish> do i just alt-f2 and type plasma-desktop?
[15:39] <James147> Sate: yeah
[15:39] <James147> Snarkfish: Yeah ^^
[15:39] <Snarkfish> bunches of invalid index
[15:39] <Sate> James147:  hopefully i can install dropbox
[15:40] <Snarkfish> QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt:  invalid index 1
[15:40] <James147> Sate: In kubuntu? you can, dosn't work with dolphin (at least the version from the dropbox site) but I think there is a plugin to dolphin at kde-apps.org or kde-look.org to enable suporrt for dropbox in dolphin
[15:41] <James147> Snarkfish: ekk, not sure whats going on there
[15:41] <James147> Snarkfish: when did this start happening?
[15:41] <Sate> James147:  yeah I def need that working
[15:42] <Snarkfish> right after 158 updaes
[15:42] <Snarkfish> updates
[15:42] <James147> Snarkfish: Through kpackagekit?
[15:42] <Snarkfish> yes
[15:42] <James147> Snarkfish: where there any blocked updates?
[15:42] <Snarkfish> no
[15:43] <Snarkfish> installing kdebase-workspace now
[15:43] <James147> Snarkfish: hmm, only thing I can think of is to try and run "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" and reboot to see if it works
[15:44] <Snarkfish> ok ill try that after it finishes what its doing.
[15:44] <rmrfslash> Guys, I just ran a aptitude update and full-upgrade and I'm getting a CRAPLOAD of broken packages and updates.
[15:45] <rmrfslash> This is a little weird.
[15:45] <rmrfslash> Can someone take a look and tell me why all of a sudden everything needs to be upgraded
[15:45] <rmrfslash> http://pastebin.com/m66a8c9d1
[15:45] <rmrfslash> oh wait.... is this KDE 4.4 upgrade?
[15:46] <James147> rmrfslash: it souldent upgrade to 4.4 unless you addded in the beta ppas
[15:46] <rmrfslash> I didn't
[15:46] <rmrfslash> so what's up w/ this then?
[15:46] <James147> rmrfslash: although it dose look like you ahve :S
[15:46] <rmrfslash> I don't think I have
[15:47] <rmrfslash> there's no sign of "beta" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:47] <James147> check in kpackagekit
[15:48] <Snarkfish> AH!!! i typed systemsettigs in konsole and turned off composting and now i have a background.. stil no plasma tho
[15:48] <rmrfslash> I have like a zillion updates, a zillion blocked packages
[15:48] <rmrfslash> in packagekit
[15:48] <James147> Snarkfish: Alt+Shift+F12 usually reenables composting
[15:49] <rmrfslash> I haev 57 updates
[15:49] <James147> rmrfslash: It looks like your trying to upgrade to 4.4 but one package is missing
[15:49] <rmrfslash> 65 blocked updates
[15:49] <Sate> James147: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/dropbox-servicemenu-kde?content=115336
[15:49] <Snarkfish> plasma-desktop now shows me my desktop
[15:49] <Sate> James147:  only thing I found related to dropbox
[15:49] <rmrfslash> I didn't add anything to anything
[15:49] <James147> rmrfslash:  try editing the software sources in kpackagekit and see if you ahve betta or backports
[15:50] <rmrfslash> I might have backports
[15:50] <rmrfslash> but that's normal
[15:50] <rmrfslash> I assume
[15:50] <aapzak> I have backports but only 4 updates
[15:51] <rmrfslash> Can I reset my packagekit settings
[15:51] <James147> rmrfslash: backports will install 4.4 final when it comes out... which we are expecting anyday no
[15:51] <James147> w
[15:51] <Snarkfish> hmmm my video driver must be screwed
[15:52] <rmrfslash> I have kubuntu/ppa/backports
[15:52] <rmrfslash> and staging
[15:52] <rmrfslash> "unsupported updates"
[15:52] <rmrfslash> checked
[15:52] <rmrfslash> should probably uncheck that?
[15:52] <aapzak> staging, isn't that the place where the packagebuilds are tested?
[15:52] <Sate> James147: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/dropbox-servicemenu-kde?content=115336
[15:52] <aapzak> I wouldn't use staging I guess
[15:53] <rmrfslash> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu karmic main
[15:53] <James147> rmrfslash: could try,
[15:53] <rmrfslash> could try what?
[15:53] <James147> Sate: Thats the one I think
[15:54] <rmrfslash> k I unchecked staging and "unsuppported updates"
[15:54] <Sate> James147:  well so how do I actually install dropbox from a terminal?
[15:54] <James147> Sate: I think you need to go to the drop box site and get it from there
[15:55] <rmrfslash> that's better
[15:55] <James147> Sate: Once you have the .deb from their site jsut click on it in dolphin
[15:55] <rmrfslash> 1 update 3 security updates
[15:55] <Sate> James147:  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595 found that as well
[15:56] <rmrfslash> so what do I need checked to get 4.4 final when it's out?
[15:56] <James147> Sate: Dont think it can do resizing of NTFS thoughDont know of any linux baised apps that can do that only windows ones
[15:56] <rmrfslash> just backports?
[15:56] <aapzak> rmrfslash: yes
[15:57] <Sate> James147:  just thinking of cool apps to get know any helpful ones?
[15:57] <Sate> James147:  Sorry for the constant questions btw, and thanks for helping
[15:58] <rmrfslash> cool. and you say 4.4 is expected soon for karmic?
[15:58] <aapzak> sure
[15:58] <rmrfslash> even better
[15:58] <rmrfslash> All better
[15:58] <aapzak> define soon :)
[15:58] <rmrfslash> days, not weeks
[15:59] <aapzak> I guess so, yes
[15:59] <Snarkfish> afk smoking
[15:59] <rmrfslash> hours? days? weeks? months?
[15:59] <aapzak> just a wild guess
[15:59] <rmrfslash> years?
[15:59] <rmrfslash> centuries?
[15:59] <aapzak> we all expect days, just a couple
[15:59] <aapzak> don't you?
[15:59] <rmrfslash> neat-o
[15:59] <James147> rmrfslash: I would think within one week at most
[16:00] <James147> rmrfslash: but mostlikly a couple days
[16:00] <rmrfslash> I'm not complaining about 4.3... my installation works great
[16:00] <James147> rmrfslash: Yeah, but 4.4 is take much better :D
[16:00] <James147> that ^^
[16:00] <aapzak> i hope my simple intel can cope with it
[16:01] <rmrfslash> I got help here to fix my audio (had to delete ~/.asound) last ngiht and I have to say my installation is really one of the best I've ever had w/ linux in general
[16:01] <James147> aapzak: running it on a netbook seems fine
[16:01] <aapzak> running rc2 now but gnome is noticeable faster
[16:01] <rmrfslash> I'm on a laptop too
[16:01] <rmrfslash> Dell Studio XPS 16..... which btw is a giant turd
[16:01] <aapzak> D830 here
[16:01] <rmrfslash> LCD is totally fugged
[16:02] <rmrfslash> I think a pixel burst or something cuz I have some liqid looking sh*t running down the inside of my display
[16:02] <Snarkfish> back
[16:03] <MortimeR_> hi
[16:03] <rmrfslash> I also had to re-seat the HDD like 900 times and the kayboard cable once
[16:03] <MortimeR_> what is the state about 4.4 KDE packages?
[16:03] <rmrfslash> couple days... I just asked
[16:03] <aapzak> they're not here yet ;)
[16:03] <rmrfslash> no one knows for sure
[16:04] <Snarkfish> you could build them if you wanted tho
[16:04] <aapzak> we're all just guessing and expecting
[16:04] <pana> hi
[16:04] <aapzak> hello
[16:04] <Mamarok> check the announcement, it will be on http://kubuntu.org and here in the channel topic
[16:04] <rmrfslash> also my display seems to be separating somehow cuz I have a weird rainbow-looking glow at the botto
[16:04] <rmrfslash> so all-in-all, I am disatisfied w/ my Dell
[16:04] <Snarkfish> lol
[16:05] <rmrfslash> but satisfied w/ Kubuntu
[16:05] <rmrfslash> and disatisfied w/ fglrx
[16:05] <Snarkfish> yes
[16:05] <Snarkfish> me to
[16:05] <rmrfslash> to a certain  extent
[16:05] <rmrfslash> takes me like 1 second to maximize a window w/ desktop effects enabled
[16:06] <rmrfslash> not sure if that's a fglrx problem tho
[16:06] <Sate> James147:  just thinking of cool apps to get know any helpful ones?
[16:06] <rmrfslash> Sate: what do you do?
[16:06] <rmrfslash> programmer?
[16:06] <Sate> yes
[16:06] <rmrfslash> what lang
[16:06] <Sate> mostly java
[16:06] <gwhip> is there a way to upgrade to final kde 4.4 in kubuntu
[16:06] <James147> Sate: usb-creator[-kde]   <- if you need a live usb disk
[16:07] <rmrfslash> eh, I don't know any cool apps then
[16:07] <rmrfslash> other than eclipse... but it's not cool
[16:07] <Sate> lol i agree
[16:07] <Snarkfish> its HUGE tho
[16:07] <rmrfslash> uses like 16 GB of memory if you let it
[16:07] <rmrfslash> piece of junk
[16:07] <Snarkfish> yup
[16:08] <James147> Sate: You should already knoe about eclipse then :) but if you do any c++ then qtcreator might be a nice one or kdevelop (still beta (or alpha i cant remember) but looks very promicing)
[16:08] <Sate> I really want to use linux, as my main OS, atm duel booting with XP, I'm just scared to do it atm
[16:08] <Sate> I could really use the disk space for linux
[16:08] <Snarkfish> i have vista partition to just play games on..
[16:09] <James147> Snarkfish: same here
[16:09] <Snarkfish> 60 gb, the rest is all kubuntu
[16:09] <James147> Snarkfish: well win7 now not vista
[16:09] <druidu> ok, so I'm following the build process for kubuntu-ppa in the staging repo here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[16:09] <Sate> I have a gaming computer as well, but I have lot of programming tools and movie tools to burn movies like dvix unless you guys could help me out with getting some good movie burning software
[16:10] <Snarkfish> i didnt get any offer to upgrade to win7.. is it worth anything?
[16:10] <druidu> it looks like the most inefficient build system ever... builds keep failing because of dependency errors and there's not a lot of parallelism although as I see it there are lots of virtual machines available
[16:10] <James147> Sate: k3b is a great burning app
[16:10] <Snarkfish> i use handbrake for conversion
[16:10] <Sate> James147:  the reason I liked dvix is because I could burn dvds pretty quick
[16:10] <Snarkfish> and ripping of dvds
[16:10] <druidu> and some dependencies fail even if the corresponding packages were successfully built
[16:11] <James147> Snarkfish: got it free from my uni... much better then vista but worth upgrading?? not really sure if your jsut gameing on it then not really
[16:11] <Sate> Xp for gaming, unless you like visual than performance
[16:11] <rmrfslash> qtcreator is nice
[16:11] <James147> Sate: check out k3b its the standad burner in kde and havent found and problems with it so far
[16:11] <Snarkfish> not much choice with this machine.. XP will not install on it
[16:11] <rmrfslash> Sate: just use a VM
[16:12] <Sate> vm?
[16:12] <rmrfslash> Sate: that is, virtualize XP
[16:12] <rmrfslash> run it under VirtualBox or VMware PLayer
[16:12] <James147> Sate: I hate XP... always crashes on my comp, andd when a game crashes it seems to lock up my comp entirly, unlike vista/win7
[16:12] <Sate> I heard its a resource hog
[16:12] <daskreech> druidu: if the build system is Free Software you can improve it
[16:12] <daskreech> Even if it's just for yourself
[16:12] <rmrfslash> heard what's a resource hog?
[16:12] <rmrfslash> XP?
[16:12] <Sate> no VM
[16:12] <rmrfslash> they're not
[16:12] <Sate> ah
[16:13] <James147> Sate: win7 not as much as vista and if you turn off all the extra crap it aint half bad
[16:13] <rmrfslash> in fact, they use surprisingly few resources
[16:13] <rmrfslash> unless of course you run Windows
[16:13] <Sate> So i install virtual box, install XP, and than install VM correct?
[16:13] <rmrfslash> Well you have a few options
[16:13] <rmrfslash> you can go to easyvmx.com and make spec out and download a VM
[16:13] <James147> rmrfslash: Not much point in gaming under a VM, then you are running 2 oses and thus lose preformance
[16:14] <rmrfslash> no, for gaming forget it, but he wants to use Linux as a primary OS so I assume he's written off gaming
[16:14] <druidu> I don't know any details about the build system, I just look at those logs and it's not looking very pretty :)
[16:14] <Snarkfish> never assume anything
[16:14] <rmrfslash> :P
[16:14] <Sate> I have a gaming desktop, I just need to free up space and use linux full time
[16:14] <Sate> I hate having to go on xp over and over
[16:15] <Sate> I just need the steps to make this happen :)
[16:15] <druidu> Sate: what games are you playing? a lot of games work decently on wine
[16:16] <druidu> Eve Online for example
[16:16] <James147> Sate: If you want to use linux full time (exept for gaming) then I would suggest fininding a native linux alternitive to all the software you use first, if you cant or they arnt good enough try running them through wine and as a last resort vm or dual boot
[16:16] <Snarkfish> eve doesnt
[16:16] <Sate> druidu:  I play counterstrike monstly
[16:16] <rmrfslash> Sate: So like I was saying. You can go to easyvmx.com, spec out a VM and download it. Then you can use that VM on VMware Player or VirtualBox. With VMware, to make a VM with one of their products you have to use VMware Workstation which costs $$. With VirtualBox, it's just all free (but I've never used it, but heard it's good if not better than VMware)
[16:16] <druidu> Sate: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=871
[16:17] <Snarkfish> vbox is freaking great
[16:17] <Snarkfish> course you can not run macosx on it tho.. vmware i hear you can
[16:17] <rmrfslash> Sate: withe the VM, however you make it initially, you can boot it up w/in VirtualBox or VMwarePlayer and just pop in the Windows CD/DVD into your physical machine and the VM has a BIOS and everything. Just install like normal.
[16:17] <Sate> ooo i bet thats buggy duid
[16:18] <rmrfslash> Hackintosh it up.
[16:18] <rmrfslash> I did.
[16:18] <rmrfslash> but it runs like crap.. no hardware acceleration at all
[16:18] <Snarkfish> you macosx to run in a vmware box?
[16:18] <rmrfslash> If it's in OVF format or even VMX format, there's no reason you can't run it in vbox
[16:19] <rmrfslash> the problem is getting it installed into a VM in the first place
[16:19] <Snarkfish> hmm id like to see that
[16:19] <Sate> So okay heres the scenerio... I format my c drive.. Install linux, go to vm site, download that software, and dowload virtual box.  Install both softwares.. Load vmware, load virtual box and install winxp
[16:19] <rmrfslash> I have 10.4 in a VM... pretty dated now but I worked my way through it
[16:19] <rmrfslash> OSx86 might have tutorials
[16:19] <Snarkfish> state you just need virtualbox
[16:20] <rmrfslash> if you go w/ vbox... that's all you need
[16:20] <rmrfslash> you can make a vm and run it
[16:20] <Snarkfish> right
[16:20] <rmrfslash> install windows
[16:20] <rmrfslash> install linux
[16:20] <rmrfslash> unix
[16:20] <rmrfslash> whatever
[16:20] <James147> Sate: You only really need to use a vm for stuff that wont run in wine... vm will use a lot more resources then wine
[16:20] <FloodBotK1> rmrfslash: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:20] <Snarkfish> but im sure you can find all that you need in linux..
[16:20] <rmrfslash> leave me along FloodBot I'm talkin
[16:21] <rmrfslash> yeah, but for sw devs (esp web devs) you sometimes need other OSes
[16:21] <Sate> so install linux as main os. install vbox, install xp.. run programs I can't on vbox correct?
[16:21] <rmrfslash> bam
[16:21] <Snarkfish> you can vbox for windows first and make a linux machine to see how its done.
[16:21] <rmrfslash> it's that easy
[16:21] <Sate> So test it out first
[16:21] <Snarkfish> just to get comfortable of course.
[16:22] <Sate> How does vbox run>?  like what kind of ram we talking?
[16:22] <pickscrape> Any, anyone know where the best place is going to be to get kde 4.4 final for a Karmic machine (i.e. backports, PPA etc)?
[16:22] <Sate> I got 2 gigs
[16:22] <Snarkfish> im guessing that your in xp right now
[16:22] <Sate> nope
[16:22] <rmrfslash> vbox alone doesn't consume much. It's a regular userland app
[16:22] <rmrfslash> you can assign RAM to each VM
[16:22] <James147> pickscrape: backports, but they havent finished bbuilding it yet
[16:22] <rmrfslash> as much or as little as you want
[16:22] <Snarkfish> pickscrape get it from the kde people or wait till the packages are built for kubuntu
[16:22] <philena> OK.. I'm back: put grub2 in there.  But now I need to walk through startx
[16:23] <Sate> Okay Im gonna install vbox
[16:23] <pickscrape> James147: cool, I'll wait for it in backports then. Just didn't know if 4.4 would go into backports or not. :) Thanks!
[16:23] <Sate> is that a package app?
[16:23] <rmrfslash> you can even  (at least w/ VMWare) assign things like CPU cores
[16:23] <James147> rmrfslash: *as little as the os can run on ^^
[16:23] <rmrfslash> well... yeah
[16:23] <philena> kdesudo startx
[16:23] <philena> _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
[16:23] <philena> _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running
[16:23] <philena> Fatal server error:
[16:23] <philena> Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running
[16:23] <FloodBotK1> philena: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:23] <philena> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
[16:23] <Snarkfish> you can get vbox from the repos or goto vbox itself and get the real thing.
[16:23] <rmrfslash> I mean, if Windows needs 16 GB then you need to feed daddy
[16:24] <James147> rmrfslash: you have to rmember that although vm software might not take up alot of resources you are also going to be running a nother full OS ontop of your current system
[16:24] <rmrfslash> yes... and there are issues w/ that i.e. double-swapping
[16:24] <Kovert> how do I find out who a matainer is for a package?
[16:24] <philena> Oh, how do I paste?
[16:24] <Sate> see windows xp doesn't offer this kind of support you guys offer
[16:24] <rmrfslash> with Windows, you need a fast HDD and lots of RAM... or config windows not to use a paging file
[16:25] <rmrfslash> which you can actually do
[16:25] <rmrfslash> When you run Windows as a VM, you will IMMEDIATELY see how f*cking sh*tty it is
[16:25] <James147> Sate: Thats what makes the linux comunity great :D
[16:25] <rmrfslash> it just starts writing to thedisk fo no reason, it's chatty, and it just consumes unreasonable amounts of memory
[16:26] <Kovert> Sate: and the free Beer!
[16:26] <James147> rmrfslash: heh, just finished instaling win7 on my netbook in a vm :S
[16:26] <rmrfslash> I always joke, the only thing that can crash linux is windows (and the ati driver)
[16:26] <James147> Kovert: Haha
[16:26] <Sate> Yeah I bet my cpu is gonna get a workout running 2 os systems
[16:26] <James147> rmrfslash: *and the user :D
[16:26] <Kovert> !maintainer
[16:26] <Sate> I just get sick of rebooting to xp
[16:26] <druidu> rmrfslash: I tried running windows 7 in a VirtualBox... you cannot imagine the HORROR, the pure slowness I witnessed
[16:26] <rmrfslash> dude, you can run liek 16 linux VMs and you won't notice
[16:26] <rmrfslash> I do it all the time
[16:27] <rmrfslash> I routinely have 2 linux server OSes running
[16:27] <rmrfslash> you can't tell. but as soon as I fire up one instance of a Windows VM......... yeah.
[16:27] <rmrfslash> See ya.
[16:27] <James147> druidu: seems fine for me atm, (on a netbook as welll) but first thing i am going to do is ddisable all the crapo
[16:27] <rmrfslash> Hope you weren't using those resources
[16:27] <Sate> k I'm installing vbox atm
[16:28] <rmrfslash> hope you didn't need 99% of CPU cycles
[16:28] <rmrfslash> windows is hungry
[16:28] <druidu> I only have 2gb of ram, I'd probably need 4 to run 7 in a vbox
[16:28] <rmrfslash> all the time
[16:28] <James147> rmrfslash: Not really, and needed to set it up for one of my uni courses... grrr dam windows incompatability
[16:28] <Sate> well it is duel core thats the plus side
[16:28] <rmrfslash> dude, tinycore linux. Nothing beats linux
[16:28] <druidu> but you don't need 7 if all you need windoze for is to run some app that you can't run on linux
[16:28] <rmrfslash> you can run linux on ANYTHING
[16:28] <rmrfslash> damn small linux. 50 MB
[16:28] <rmrfslash> 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:28] <rmrfslash> MB!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:28] <Sate> I love linux seriously
[16:28] <FloodBotK1> rmrfslash: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:29] <James147> druidu: yeah, but I hate XP and dont ahve a copy of it
[16:29] <bazhang> !ot
[16:29] <KDesk> rmrfslash: I have seen, that there are even smaller!
[16:29] <bazhang> lets take non-Kubuntu support to #kubuntu-offtopic please
[16:29] <rmrfslash> tinycore I think is smaller
[16:29] <rmrfslash> 10 MB or something
[16:29] <Sate> wow
[16:29] <rmrfslash> Try installing Windows on a 10 MB partition.
[16:29] <genii> philena: FloodBotK1 is a bot, he is just here to make sure people don't flood the channel with text, etc
[16:30] <druidu> they give windows for free if you're a student (m$ academic alliance)... they're trying to infiltrate it into young minds :)
[16:30] <rmrfslash> Oh and did I mention tinycore has a full desktop?
[16:30] <Sate> I bet that baby runs good on slow comps
[16:30] <bazhang> rmrfslash, druidu #kubuntu-offtopic please
[16:30] <genii> Please remember this is the #kubuntu support channel
[16:30] <KDesk> rmrfslash: yep, hehe, 10MB, crazy.
[16:30] <druidu> bazhang: sorry :)
[16:30] <rmrfslash> all right, bazhang is sick of my chatter. even though no one else is asking questions about kubuntu anyways
[16:31] <philena> ok, when I try to startx, it says x server already running on 0
[16:31] <rmrfslash> except for the occasional "hey when's 4.4 gunna be out"
[16:31] <rmrfslash> cya
[16:31] <Snarkfish> ok im utta here.. later thanx for your help
[16:32] <philena> On bootup I get: no command arguments supplied! Usage kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command> kdesudo will now exit
[16:32] <philena> HPlip:  No system try
[16:32] <philena> *tray
[16:32] <KDesk> Any news about 4.4 packages?
[16:33] <James147> KDesk: Nop
[16:33] <Sate> James147:  I installed vbox, its asking create a new hard disk?  This isn't gonna format my hd is it?
[16:34] <philena> Fatal server error: cannot establish any listening sockets
[16:34] <James147> Sate: vbox creates virtual harddisks, they are files that vbox used to look like harddisks
[16:35] <James147> Sate: so the guest OS thinks it has an harddisk where really all it has is a file on the hosts system
[16:35] <Sate> how big can the harddisk be?
[16:35] <Sate> I set mine to 10gigs
[16:36] <philena> Can any one else help with the "no desktop" problem. upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10
[16:36] <James147> Sate: as big as you like, I think 20gb is the default for vista/win7 8gig for linux but you can change it to what you like and can make it dynamically expanding so it wont actually take up that much space
[16:36] <Sate> I put base memory at 512
[16:36] <Sate> that good?
[16:36] <rmrfslash> philena: what graphics card so u have
[16:36] <James147> Sate: should be fine
[16:37] <philena> intel
[16:37] <James147> Sate: I would suggest leaving everything as the default for now untill you get useto it and learn abit more
[16:37] <rmrfslash> philena: hmm... sounds like a driver issue. I know I had a graphics driver issue w/ ATI which would drop me to a command line on boot (after upgrade fro 04 to 10
[16:38] <Sate> James147:  no I just need to find my XP disk :)
[16:38] <Sate> now*
[16:38] <rmrfslash> philena: I have to go to ATI site, download the catalyst driver and install it in recovery mode
[16:38] <rmrfslash> *had
[16:38] <rmrfslash> when you mispell, to astrisx goes after the word? I've been putting it before.
[16:39] <philena> rmrfslash: ok.. how do i find my exactly graphics card model.
[16:39] <rmrfslash> the*
[16:39] <olskolirc> how do I bring up the Hardware Drivers settings from the command line please?
[16:39] <rmrfslash> philena: look up your machine make/model
[16:39] <rmrfslash> philena: if it's a dell, plug int the service tag
[16:39] <philena> gateway e series
[16:40] <rmrfslash> philena: I assume other manufacturers have a similar system. you go the their site and plug in the service tag and they can tell you exactly what the machine has
[16:40] <rmrfslash> philena: there could be a serial number/sticker somewhere on the machine
[16:40] <rmrfslash> philena: go to gateway.com... I don't have a gateway so I can't help w/ that part
[16:40] <genii> olskolirc: kdesudo jockey-kde
[16:42] <rmrfslash> this is why you should always keep the docs w/ a store bought machine. sometimes you need to drill down to find the EXACT makes and models of things
[16:44] <lup0> Hello, anyone know where KDE SC 4.4 can be gotten for kubuntu 9.10
[16:45] <James147> lup0: it hasent been packaged yet for kubuntu wait or you can compile it from source... but it should only be a copuple days at most before it has been packaged
[16:46] <lup0> James147: ok, thanks
[16:48] <druidu> KDesk: it's fascinating to watch the 4.4 packages while they're being built :P take a look here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[16:49] <KDesk> druidu: thanks, interesting, seems like they are having dependencies problems in some packages
[16:49] <binarylooks> druidu: shhhh, that PPA is dangerous :-)
[16:49] <BluesKaj> well I wish they'd build a decent network wifi manager , the latest ones are flakier than french pastry and wicd is still broken for alot of setups
[16:51] <James147> BluesKaj: execpt for the network going really slow after I wake up my computer I have had no problems with knetworkmanager (and i think the problems i have are with network-manager as I have to restart that to fix the problem)
[16:52] <druidu> I suppose it's because the build system is unaware of package dependencies, so it builds them in an arbitrary order and retries builds until they work
[16:53] <druidu> if they would have been built in the correct order they'd be done by now
[16:54] <BluesKaj> wicd is working ok on my laptop ..network manager worked for one day then quit . As for my usb wifi adapter for the desktop , wicd is giving me a "bad password" excuse for not connecting but it just doen't play nice with my router ....and beleive me Ive tried every tutorial and setup I could find or dream up , but nothing works
[16:56] <James147> BluesKaj: weird, do live cds give you the same issue?
[16:56] <sssssss> sorry Mamarok   tomorrow I have problems with flash!  because was started flash-block program....  sorry man
[16:57] <BluesKaj> yes , network manager and wicd are hopeless on a USB wifi adapter
[16:57] <Hyper_Sha> knock knock
[16:57] <Hyper_Sha> hi all
[16:57] <sssssss> Mamarok   all is fine    thenks
[16:57] <KDesk> druidu: kde4.4 sources I think is now 3 day avaitable, I don't know what is the problem, other distros have already packages. With RCs, distros can also test there packages, so that they don't have last minut (hours, days) problems
[16:57] <Mamarok> sssssss: nice to hear
[16:58] <BluesKaj> James147, is network manager better than it was a few weeks ago ...maybe if they've upgraded then there might be some hope.
[16:59] <James147> BluesKaj: what version are you running? on rc2 here
[17:00] <BluesKaj> yeah , James147 , same here
[17:01] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:02] <druidu> KDesk: 4.4 are already available for lucid, they seem to be slower for karmic backports
[17:04] <KDesk> druidu: odd, I don't understand this, if it build for licud, what is the problem with 6 months older packages?
[17:05] <Martijn81> does anyone knows how long packaging takes normally?
[17:06] <druidu> there's no problem really, it just takes a lot to build them... and they weren't uploaded in the correct order, so they weren't built in the optimal order (that's why some failed a few times)
[17:06] <druidu> they're being built for i386, amd64 and lpia, so 3 times more packages to build
[17:07] <daskreech> Martijn81: depends on how many problems you hit and KDE is by some metrics the largest FOSS project
[17:08] <daskreech> which gets delivered as one big package that needs to be split up into a few dozen hundred packages
[17:10] <snew> hi
[17:10] <snew> i have a big problem:
[17:11] <druidu> for the really impatient ones (like myself), we can just grab`em from the staging repo while they're really hot... even if they say we shouldn't do that, I guess it's ok if we know what we're doing
[17:12] <snew> downloaded over 12 hours some flash files. Wanted now to put these on a stick. Marked everything and Strg+X. In the stick Strg+V... In about 52% the whole process stopped, nothing went further, stick stood at 200 hours left. Put stick of and on again, all files on stick are gone and the now i can't find the saved files on my Desktop
[17:12] <snew> where the hell do linux save these files which have to be copied?
[17:13] <snew> Any chance to restore the files in konqueror or dolphin? i don't want to reload everything
[17:13] <druidu> if you do a cut-paste, the file is kept at the source until the copy is finished, then it's deleted
[17:14] <snew> well it wasn't finished
[17:14] <druidu> but even if the copy process is complete, maybe the buffers were not flushed to the stick (maybe it ran out of space too)
[17:14] <druidu> so none of the original files are there anymore?
[17:14] <daskreech> snew: How much space do the files take up?
[17:15] <snew> Nope, the files on the desktop aren't there anymore. I put the stick off and konqueror/doplhin asked if he has to overjump the files... auto overjump and nothing is there anymore...
[17:16] <snew> the files are about 1 GB, but the problem is my slow connection and the even slower server i downloaded them from
[17:16] <daskreech> snew: 1GB each?
[17:16] <snew> the other point is that i have to click singularly on every of the 40 files and download them...
[17:17] <snew> no altogether the category was 1 GB
[17:17] <druidu> wait
[17:17] <druidu> it asked *after* you took the stick out?
[17:17] <snew> yes
[17:17] <druidu> then the stick was mounted somewhere in /media/xxx/ ?
[17:17] <snew> yes
[17:18] <druidu> although you would not have write permissions... maybe it just created a folder in there
[17:18] <snew> '/media/stick'
[17:18] <druidu> look in /media/stick
[17:18] <druidu> or in /media
[17:18] <snew> no the stick is empty
[17:19] <druidu> what I'm saying is that if the stick wasn't mounted anymore, maybe it moved them somewhere else
[17:19] <snew> well
[17:19] <druidu> you should just search the entire partition for those files... do you remember the names?
[17:19] <druidu> extensions?
[17:19] <snew> nothing under /meida
[17:20] <snew> i know the names
[17:20] <snew> search under my hard disk or under stick?
[17:20] <druidu> do it like this:
[17:20] <druidu> find / -size +25M -name '*.avi' -ls
[17:21] <druidu> this will search for all files with size greater than or equal to 25 MB and with extension .avi
[17:21] <snew> flash files
[17:21] <snew> change to .flv?
[17:21] <druidu> flv ?
[17:21] <druidu> yes
[17:22] <druidu> you can drop the "-size +25M" part to search for all files, regardless of size
[17:22] <snew> some were bigger...
[17:22] <snew> just need to find one file... rest should be also there
[17:23] <snew> last time i used Strg+x...
[17:23] <snew> find: "/var/lib/polkit-1": Permission denied
[17:23] <snew> find: "/var/lib/postgresql/8.4/main": Permission denied
[17:23] <snew> find: "/var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main": Permission denied
[17:24] <snew> nothing found
[17:24] <FloodBotK1> snew: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:24] <oxymoron> What does this mean, and my unlucky day as usual as i recently updated mysql packages, silly me: "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'"
[17:24] <snew> nope
[17:24] <snew> even with sudo nothing found
[17:24] <snew> im sucked, right?
[17:28] <Torch> oxymoron: mysqld is probably not running. or looking for the socket in the wrong place due to missing or wrong config.
[17:29] <druidu> oxymoron: try: sudo service mysql-server restart
[17:29] <oxymoron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/373365/
[17:30] <sena--> snew: maybe your files are in .swf format try searching for them with this extention
[17:30] <oxymoron> druidu: mysql-server: unrecognized service what a? :S
[17:30] <daskreech> snew: looked in /tmp ?
[17:31] <Torch> oxymoron: what's that pastebin?
[17:31] <oxymoron> *Sigh*, why mysql, IT is impossible for me continue my work on my database abstraction in my web framework if it does not work :/
[17:31] <harjot> i recently installed the azenis theme for kde
[17:31] <harjot> and
[17:31] <oxymoron> Torch: Just showing I just updated recently the packages of mysql :P
[17:31] <harjot> it seemes the mouse freezes after a while\
[17:31] <harjot> and the desktop locks up
[17:32] <oxymoron> Torch: is it possible to rollback to the previous packages?
[17:32] <harjot> unless i do ctl alt backspace, which then makes the windows  move then it restarts
[17:32] <harjot> anyone have any idea/?
[17:32] <harjot> its really annoying
[17:32] <Torch> oxymoron: sure. if you have them.
[17:32] <druidu> oxymoron: try mysql instead of mysql-server, don't remember the name of the service exactly
[17:32] <oxymoron> Torch: I had them? :D
[17:33] <harjot> also,, does superkaramba cause problems?
[17:33] <Torch> druidu: mysql is the service name
[17:33] <harjot> im on 8.04
[17:33] <druidu> or just try a restart, maybe the problem fixes itself
[17:33] <Torch> oxymoron: try to start the service with service mysql start
[17:33] <oxymoron> Yay: * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                [fail]
[17:33] <Torch> oxymoron: that is all?
[17:34] <oxymoron> oxymoron@oxymoron-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql force-reload
[17:34] <oxymoron>  * Reloading MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[17:34] <oxymoron> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[17:35] <oxymoron> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[17:35] <FloodBotK1> oxymoron: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:35] <oxymoron> yeye, only 4 rows
[17:35] <Torch> oxymoron: reloading is pointless if it can't start
[17:35] <oxymoron> Torch: I just trying to figure it out why it does not start xD
[17:36] <Torch> oxymoron: are you familiar with bash scripting?
[17:36] <genii> Probably because mysql user "root" or so is not allowed to server "localhost" but may be allowed to "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[17:36] <Torch> genii: no.
[17:36] <oxymoron> Torch: A little?
[17:36] <Torch> oxymoron: take a look at /etc/init.d/mysql
[17:36] <Torch> oxymoron: that's the script trying to start the server
[17:37] <Torch> oxymoron: you might insert some debugging echos here and there (IF you know what you're doing)
[17:37] <Torch> oxymoron: keep a backup copy of the file, though
[17:37] <Torch> oxymoron: you might also just try to run "/usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock --port=3306" as root from a shell
[17:37] <oxymoron> Torch: I think it is to complicated for me and i dont wanna mess it up.
[17:38] <Zane> what is a good php5 editor?
[17:38] <Torch> oxymoron: that's fine. then try to run it from a shell.
[17:38]  * harjot thinks nobody has really taken notice of his question
[17:38] <Torch> Zane: kate?
[17:38] <oxymoron> Torch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/373369/
[17:38] <Zane> ive used kate, i enjoy it
[17:39] <Zane> is there a editor that adds the ending syntax for you
[17:39] <Torch> oxymoron: very good, that looks helpful.
[17:39] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[17:39] <Zane> hello
[17:39] <oxymoron> Torch: Ironic? :P
[17:40] <Zane> is there a editor that adds the ending syntax for you?
[17:40] <phoenix_> is it safe to enable the backports
[17:40] <Torch> oxymoron: no irony.
[17:40] <Zane> say for html, php, or css
[17:40] <Torch> oxymoron: do what it says: run mysql_upgrade as root
[17:40] <oxymoron> Torch: Define run? sudo mysql_upgrade does not work? :P
[17:41] <druidu> oxymoron: check the logs, it might point to the real cause of startup error... sudo cat /var/log/syslog | grep mysql
[17:41] <Torch> oxymoron: you do have the package mysql-server-5.1?
[17:41] <jtholmes> where is the linux approved laptop list
[17:41] <druidu> ah, nevermind that, you already know
[17:41] <oxymoron> Torch: Yes?
[17:42] <Torch> oxymoron: and you do have the file /usr/bin/mysql_upgrade ?
[17:42] <Torch> oxymoron: if not, that might be the cause of the problem.
[17:43] <oxymoron> Yay, Dolphin crashed ...
[17:44] <oxymoron> How do I check if A file exist?
[17:44] <Torch> oxymoron: in a shell with ls
[17:44] <Torch> oxymoron: ls /usr/bin/mysql_ <tab>
[17:44] <Torch> oxymoron: or ls /usr/bin/mysql_* and see what it shows
[17:45] <oxymoron> Torch: What, it seems like the previous update deleted mysql-server ... xD
[17:45] <Torch> oxymoron: i thought you had the mysql-server-5.1 package?
[17:45] <oxymoron> Torch: So did I ... :S
[17:45] <Torch> oxymoron: actually you don't? ;-)
[17:46] <Torch> oxymoron: that's unlikely, though, because mysqld exists...
[17:46] <oxymoron> Torch: I have been installed it before and with phpmyadmin and everything but I guess its removed when i updated the packages ...
[17:47] <Torch> oxymoron: please pastebin the output of: dpkg -l '*mysql*' | grep ^ii
[17:48] <Zane> so i guess, no one knows of a alternitive to kate?
[17:48] <Zane> thank you for your time
[17:48] <oxymoron> Zane: Zend Studio
[17:48] <oxymoron> Torch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/373373/
[17:49] <Torch> zanoi: i think kdevelop has php support, but i hardly ever use php, so i don't really know
[17:49] <oxymoron> Torch: Ah finally it works <3
[17:49] <Torch> oxymoron: err? what works? and why? ;-)
[17:50] <oxymoron> Torch: Ine some mysterious way it could be so that I did not remember installed mysql-server and phpmyadmin since laste format of Linux partition xD - Mysql-server and phpadmin works ... because I installed them xD
[17:50] <satepc> hey guys, I installed virtual box windows XP, is there anyway to make the windows xp window bigger?
[17:51] <Torch> oxymoron: ok, great. so it's fine now?
[17:51] <oxymoron> Torch: Yeah for the moment and hopefully forever :D Thanks for your hellp :)
[17:51] <Torch> oxymoron: yw
[17:52] <oxymoron> Torch: FInally I can focus on my web framework and not bug test mysql to ddiscover that I dont even have it installed ... lol :D What a retard I feel like ... and I should be good at computers and programming xD I even study master of engineering :D
[17:53] <Torch> oxymoron: stupid mistakes happen all the time. don't worry about it. ;-)
[17:54] <oxymoron> Torch: Yeah I know but still :P I dont think I am a computer geek after all xD
[17:54] <oxymoron> Torch: Damn it I lost my flow sense in the framework ... because of the interuption :(
[17:58] <mistrynitesh> can anyone suggest a blogging client for kubuntu available right out of the repos
[17:58] <mistrynitesh> for jaunty that is
[18:07] <oxymoron> If someone here have some suggestions when you code a new blog engine/CMS I would be glad have a discussion and listen on #kde-offtopic
[18:07] <oxymoron> If someone here have some suggestions when you code a new blog engine/CMS I would be glad have a discussion and listen on #kubuntu-offtopic*
[18:07] <oxymoron> crap :D
[18:07] <oxymoron> #kubuntu-offtopic *
[18:17] <druidu> hey! all the kde 4.4 packages for karmic are done building in the staging ppa (at least for i386 and amd64)
[18:18] <jmichaelx> druidu: sweet
[18:18] <jmichaelx> druidu: does that mean they are already available?
[18:18] <druidu> but they're not yet added to the backports ppa
[18:19] <jmichaelx> druidu: ok, i assume they will make it to the backports ppa at some time later today?
[18:19] <druidu> so no, unless you really want them and add the staging repo, which is not recommended judging by its name "Kubuntu Package Staging (DON'T USE)"
[18:19] <druidu> I hope so :)
[18:19] <jmichaelx> lol, yeah, i will def not be adding the staging ppa
[18:20] <buckfast> I'm watching a video, fullscreen and every now and then the mouse icon flickers through.
[18:20] <kde185> hey at least you can watch a video fullscreen
[18:21] <druidu> probably because you have an optical mouse... it sometimes moves a bit on its own
[18:21] <jmichaelx> buckfast: is this maybe an issue with the combo of your vid driver and your compositing manager?
[18:21] <jmichaelx> yeah, moving mouse could definitely cause that
[18:23]  * druidu can't wait anymore, 4.4 staging ppa should now work for amd64 imho :P
[18:24] <buckfast> jmichaelx: I have disabled desktop effects because I had problems with them
[18:25] <jmichaelx> buckfast: so you do not think this is an issue with your mouse moving ever so slightly? is it sitting on glass, or in a situation where it gets some vibration?
[18:26] <rmrfslash> no other OS has this problem. we can't blame issues like this on a mouse "moving on it's own"
[18:27] <rmrfslash> it;s a bug
[18:27] <Wicet> Anyone, is there even somewhat universal keybind for bringing up console in GUI?
[18:27] <buckfast> jmichaelx: Mouse is on the table
[18:27] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: ok, i did not know that other people were experiencing the same issue. i run kubuntu karmic on a half dozen machines and have not encountered this issue
[18:27] <rmrfslash> Alt+F2 then type "konsole"
[18:28] <rmrfslash> I'm not.... but to me it sounds like a bug in the movie player or whatever you're watching
[18:28] <rmrfslash> the mouse should be masked out completely
[18:28] <rmrfslash> even if it moves, you shouldn't see it
[18:28] <Wicet> rmrfslash, thanks
[18:28] <genii> Wicet: I'd likely just do ctrl-alt-F(1-6)  then later alt-F7 to return to DE
[18:28] <rmrfslash> it's a bug, go file it in launchpad
[18:28] <buckfast> jmichaelx: I dont think the mouse is moving, the optical light is off when the flicker occurs
[18:29] <Wicet> genii, works even better - sweet
[18:29] <jmichaelx> buckfast: if the light is off, then it isn't a matter of the mouse moving. have you tried experimenting with different video players?
[18:29] <rmrfslash> See, I'm one of those realists. I want things to work as advertised. Like Toyota. They're not telling customers to "giggle the gas pedal a little" they say "it's a defect and we're in trouble"
[18:30] <rmrfslash> jiggle*
[18:30] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: bug reports made before a person has narrowed down what the issues are, are generally not helpful
[18:31] <jmichaelx> also, the idea that kubuntu is the only OS that ever has this issue is highly questionable
[18:31] <rmrfslash> the mouse showing through a movie player in any situation? there's no investigation. and Im not saying kubuntu has ever had this issue... and I don't even think it
[18:32] <rmrfslash> s "klubutnu" it's probably vlc, mplayer, totem or whatever
[18:32] <buckfast> jmichaelx: No, haven't experimented other players. What do you recommend besides SMPlayer?
[18:32] <rmrfslash> vlc
[18:32] <giuseppe_> ciao
[18:32] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: i thought buckfast was experiencing this issue, and you were not. maybe i misunderstood
[18:33] <jmichaelx> buckfast: i would try possibly kaffeine and vlc, for starters
[18:35] <Kage> buckfast: personally I just use straight mplayer from the console
[18:35] <druidu> me too, mplayer-nogui rulz
[18:36] <jmichaelx> true, mplayer instead of smplayer might also have different behavior
[18:36] <druidu> also try dragon player, it's the official player for kde I guess
[18:36] <Kage> dragon player has issues with subtitles
[18:36] <buckfast> GUI is faster for me, I don't have to type in any directories or anything
[18:37] <druidu> there's also gmplayer
[18:37] <Kage> also... I think there is a kmplayer
[18:37] <druidu> gtk gui for mplayer
[18:37] <jmichaelx> i have never seen the value of dragon player, but i could be missing something. i generally use smplayer/mplayer, kaffeine or vlc, when using KDE
[18:37] <druidu> yeah, definitely a lot of *mplayer players
[18:37] <harolddong> kmplayer is pretty good if you're running kde
[18:39] <jmichaelx> druidu: did you decide to dl 4.4 from staging ppa?
[18:40] <druidu> jmichaelx: yep, downloading right now
[18:41] <druidu> i386 and amd64 builds seem finished and kpackagekit didn't complain about any missing dependencies
[18:41] <jmichaelx> druidu: sound very tempting, but i think i'll wait until it shows up in backports ppa
[18:41] <druidu> I'll disable staging after the upgrade anyway :D
[18:41] <druidu> what arch are you running? amd64?
[18:41] <jmichaelx> yeah
[18:42] <SiVA_> anyway to determine what the file locations are of the songs in my amarok playlist?
[18:42] <buckfast> Can I somehow pause and minimize the video in mplayer with one keyboard press?
[18:42] <jmichaelx> SiVA_: in your amarok settings, there used to be a way to get the path to show up. in amarok 2, i am not sure whether or not that option is still there
[18:43] <Torch> SiVA_: via the properties dialog?
[18:43] <jmichaelx> buckfast: did you still have your mose pointer problem in fullscreen with mplayer?
[18:44] <Torch> SiVA_: "edit track details", to be precise.
[18:44]  * jmichaelx has still not cozied up to amarok 2
[18:45] <SiVA_> There is an "Export Playlist as" feature, but doesn't seem to save
[18:45] <SiVA_> Torch: There are 50 files ... I don't want to go one by one. Would just like a list of the files, with directories, so I can work with it
[18:45] <buckfast> jmichaelx: I'm testing it right now
[18:46] <druidu> I like amarok, but I wish it did a better job in identifying artist names... I get a lot of duplicate entries because of casing differences or feat.X in id3 tags
[18:47] <laboratorio> yeah
[18:47] <jmichaelx> druidu: i just take the time to edit tags, etc, to eliminate that problem. do some players do a better job of *not* showing dupes, etc?
[18:48] <BluesKaj> i don't understand all the playlist problems ppl have , i jus keep the music in a folder , when i want to listen to a tune i just choose it from the folder ...letting amarok organize you music seems create more grief than it's worth
[18:48] <bob-has-an-imgbo> hi, i need help, i went to grub 2 after restart, choosed recovery mode, waiting, choosed "resume", tried to login with my nickname XYZ and my password nice123tree. btw these aren't mine but anyway i didn't worked, i just failed why? how can i fix it? i can still go to "root" instead "resume" BUT i don't want to be root in recovery shell. plz help
[18:48] <buckfast> jmichaelx: Don't seem to get any mouse flicker with mplayer playing from console
[18:49] <jmichaelx> buckfast: ok, this may somehow be a problem you will only experience with smplayer for some reason
[18:49] <jmichaelx> buckfast: what video adapter are you using?
[18:49] <Mamarok> SiVA_: which exact Amarok version are you using?
[18:49] <MaximB> hi people
[18:50] <druidu> jmichaelx: don't know, but I would definitely like a plugin that would do this for me... using some AI techniques probably
[18:50] <MaximB> when would kde 4.4 (final, no rc) be in the repros ?
[18:50] <jmichaelx> druidu: that would def be nice
[18:50] <Martijn81> MaximB: it will be in the backports of 9.10
[18:50] <Mamarok> MaximB: when the packages are ready, keep an eye on http://kubuntu.org
[18:50] <buckfast> jmichaelx: Adapter? You mean driver?
[18:51] <jmichaelx> buckfast: well, what card are you using
[18:51] <jmichaelx> buckfast: card = adapter
[18:51] <druidu> upgrade done, let's see how 4.4 behaves, brb :)
[18:51] <buckfast> jmichaelx: Radeon HD 3970
[18:51] <jmichaelx> buckfast: and i assume you are using fglrx?
[18:51] <druidu> btw, what config directory should I delete when upgrading kde? ~/.kde ?
[18:51] <bob-has-an-imgbo> hi how can i login in shell of recovery mode (not root)?
[18:52] <bob-has-an-imgbo> my nick & pw aren't accepted by kubuntu
[18:52] <jmichaelx> druidu: it has usually been .kde.... could be .kde4 or something. you'll have to look
[18:52] <bob-has-an-imgbo> although with x i can log in
[18:52] <druidu> `sudo init 1' maybe
[18:52] <MaximB> strange, it says that I already have kdebase-bin 4:4.3.2
[18:52] <MaximB> and I didn't update
[18:52] <buckfast> jmichaelx: *3870 actually, and yes, I set it to use fglrx from the system settings panel
[18:52] <SiVA_> gotta run, thanks for the help
[18:53] <BluesKaj> bob-has-an-imgbo, did try an update and upgrade at the prompt , what ever the problem is might have been fixed overnight
[18:53] <druidu> it's .kde alright
[18:53] <MaximB> 4:4.3.2 supposed to be the latest ?
[18:54] <jmichaelx> buckfast: ok, my guess is that you are more likely dealing with some kind of fglrx bug, instead of a kubuntu or mplayer/smplayer bug... proprietary AMD drivers have not been getting along well with newer Xorg versions the last year or so
[18:54] <xvila> MaximB 4.3.5 was in the backports
[18:55] <MaximB> o...so 4.4 isn't there yet ?
[18:55] <Mamarok> MaximB: not yet, just a little patience :)
[18:55] <druidu> MaximB: it's really close, should be in backports for karmic pretty soon
[18:56] <MaximB> why backports and not official ?
[18:56] <shiro_> I thought KDE said it was stable
[18:57] <buckfast> jmichaelx: I had problems with KDE desktop effects too, switching videos from normal screen to fullscreen was laggy
[18:58] <jmichaelx> MaximB: the policy of a number of distros is to not make (at least default) major package revision upgrades during the life of a release cycle
[18:58] <bob-has-an-imgb1>  is it normal that num-pad does not work in shell?
[18:58] <MaximB> k, I hope you will change the topic once 4.4 is out to the backports
[18:59] <jmichaelx> buckfast: my guess is that this is an AMD/fglrx issue. i had the same problem in jaunty... i solved that issue by selling my AMD card on craigslist, and buying an nvidia card. harsh, but the easiest solution  available.
[18:59] <MaximB> k, see you
[18:59] <vzhik> Я так понял это не русский канал?
[19:00] <bobbob1016> !ru
[19:01] <jmichaelx> buckfast: my guess is also, that you will see better performance with your AMD card in Lucid
[19:01] <jmichaelx> buckfast: using FOSS drivers, instead of AMD proprietary
[19:02] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, nvidia isn't perfect in lucid either , there probs with some older cards , that worked in karmic
[19:02] <buckfast> jmichaelx: what are foss drivers?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> non proprietary, open source
[19:03] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: that could well be. but a newer nvidia card that is supported by current nvidia drivers... although nouveau drivers are supposed to be in lucid, and that looks promising for older nvidia cards
[19:04] <jmichaelx> buy*
[19:04] <buckfast> I sure hope it gets fixed
[19:04] <jmichaelx> buckfast: what i mean is that you may get a better experience in Lucid with your card, WITHOUT fglrx
[19:05] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, well so far the nouveau driver hasn't lived up to expectations in lucid , but it's still early in the game
[19:06] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: yeah, it looks really hopeful, but i have not used nouveau on anything yet
[19:06] <jmichaelx> buckfast: do you have any other video cards laying around?
[19:06] <buckfast> jmichaelx: not really
[19:06] <BluesKaj> I'm ok with the 195 driver for my 7600gt ...works fine right now
[19:07] <buckfast> jmichaelx: I also have some font problems with some applications, fonts look fuzzy and unreadable, for some of the KDE widgets for example
[19:07] <jmichaelx> yeah, i use 195 on my 8500gt
[19:08] <jmichaelx> it works really well.... far better than the amd radeon 2600xt i had previously been using
[19:08] <jmichaelx> druidu: what have you got?
[19:08] <jmichaelx> awesomeness, i hope
[19:09] <druidu> yep, works perfectly
[19:09] <jmichaelx> sweet
[19:09] <druidu> I decided to keep my old .kde dir though, too much stuff to reconfigure
[19:09] <druidu> I already had 4.4 rc2 anyway
[19:09] <jmichaelx> druidu: ahh, well you did not need to delete .kde then
[19:10] <druidu> $ apt-cache policy libqtcore4 ... Installed: 4:4.6.1-1ubuntu2~karmic1~ppa1
[19:10] <druidu> good, this should fix that annoying plasma-crash bug
[19:10] <jmichaelx> druidu: i only did that when i upgraded the first time to a 4.4 beta
[19:10] <BluesKaj> good to hear some amd/ati cards are working well, I have an onboard (which is disabled) that might work as a backup if and when my aging nvidia bites the dust ")
[19:10] <KDesk> did you install from the staging repo?
[19:11] <bob-has-an-imgb1> thx everyone linux works fine now so far
[19:11] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: some older ati cards work great with FOSS drivers... depending on the distro. i have 2 radeon 9000's - one in fedora 12, the other on debian lenny - and both run super with FOSS drivers
[19:12] <jschall> where can i get 4.4?
[19:12] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i understand that radeon 9000s suck in kubuntu karmic, however
[19:13] <jmichaelx> k/ubuntu karmic*
[19:14] <jmichaelx> druidu: i am so tempted to follow in your footsteps
[19:14] <druidu> KDesk: yeah, worked fine although there was one package which for some reason did not install at first, so I installed it using aptitude
[19:16] <KDesk> druidu: hmm, lets see if I install it too from that repo. Are all the amd64/i386 packages ready?
[19:16] <druidu> I looked in the logs, amd64 and i386 seem complete... and I can confirm the amd64 ones work
[19:17] <druidu> I see there's a printer applet now
[19:18] <druidu> damn, dolphin still crashes on drag-drop with alt-tab
[19:19] <druidu> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[19:19] <druidu> it is possible that not all packages are in yet... I see 2 packages were just added 18 minutes ago
[19:19] <druidu> but the basic desktop stuff is there
[19:19] <druidu> they'll probably push it to backports when it's complete
[19:22] <olskolirc> how do I bring up the kubuntu resolution display box from the terminal please
[19:22] <zegenie> olskolirc: type "kcmshell4 display"
[19:23] <zegenie> is that the one?
[19:29] <astromme> Is t planned to have 4.4 final in the Kubuntu Beta ppa?
[19:30] <siki> hey guys
[19:30] <BusMaster> hi, does anyone know how I can get kde 4.4 in my ubuntu setup? I intend to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop after adding the right repository
[19:31] <siki> i need some help with a bash script
[19:31] <binarylooks> BusMaster: its a matter of minutes. just a bit QA left
[19:31] <siki> i want to use a variable outside a while loop
[19:31] <siki> but its always zero then
[19:31] <binarylooks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[19:32] <binarylooks> BusMaster: ^
[19:32] <astromme> binarylooks: what repository will 4.4 exist in? kubuntu beta ppa?
[19:32] <siki> can anyone help me out?
[19:32] <binarylooks> BusMaster: wait for the announcment on kubuntu.org, it'll have instructions
[19:32] <binarylooks> BusMaster: and the PPA
[19:32] <BusMaster> binarylooks, thanks. this helps al ot
[19:33] <BusMaster> binarylooks, looks like I'll be pressing F5 a lot on kubuntu.org now :)
[19:33] <pep_> hola
[19:34] <genii> !es | pep_
[19:34] <binarylooks> BusMaster: np: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports?field.series_filter=karmic
[19:34] <binarylooks> BusMaster: thats the ppa, but wait for the packages to arrive first :-)
[19:34] <oxymoron> I have been waiting a day now for 4.4, I want to know why it delays more and more?
[19:35] <BusMaster> binarylooks, thinks. Once I add that ppa (and the packages arrive), can I just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to pull in kde 4.4? I read your link about pureKDE, but I'd prefer to have both Gnome and KDE for now
[19:35] <BusMaster> binarylooks, s/thinks/thanks
[19:35] <binarylooks> BusMaster: yes
[19:35] <zegenie> binarylooks: as soon as it is released, yes
[19:36] <BusMaster> yay!
[19:37] <oxymoron> BusMaster: What means yay?
[19:37] <BusMaster> oxymoron, its an expression of delight, expressing my happiness that I'll soon be able to test drive KDE :)
[19:38] <oxymoron> BusMaster: Really .... xD I meant if it was something special, thats all. I thought they have been released 4.4 or something :P
[19:38] <BusMaster> oxymoron, I last tried KDE in Red Hat 7.2 I think.. I keep hearing of how awesome it has become
[19:39] <binarylooks> currently, there is Quality Assurance (QA) going on, plus they want to include some other stuff (like a newer version of digikam)
[19:39] <druidu> siki: what's the pb? pastebin the script or something
[19:39] <oxymoron> BusMaster: Yeah I have been using it since 3.0 I think, when KDE 4.0 was released I got really excited :) I think it really compares to Apple OS X and Microsoft Windows now :)
[19:40] <BusMaster> oxymoron, Microsoft Windows :(( ??
[19:41] <BusMaster> oxymoron, I got disillusioned with desktop environments and used something called Enlightenment all these years. KDE is the big change..I'm *itching* to try it out
[19:41] <Guest67076> hello
[19:42] <Guest67076> i have registered name
[19:42] <Guest67076> how can I force to use it by me?
[19:45] <oxymoron> BusMaster: I know, Windows sucks ... but still my school force us to use it with some apps xD Then I need Photoshop as some other apps that still not is ported for Kubuntu or GN/Linux overall :P But KDE REALLY make a difference, I can really feel it now :) It is now just some more quirking, forking and designing left, but most of all focus on the applications and release more awesome apps togehter with some necessary protocols to get
[19:45] <oxymoron> in touch with a large target :)
[19:45] <FloodBotK1> oxymoron: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:45] <oxymoron> Oh please come on ...
[19:52] <muhammed> hiç türk yok muaga burda
[19:52] <muhammed> :D
[19:54] <muhammed> vay arkadaş burda herkez ölmüs ben yaşamın olduğu bi yere gidiyorum
[19:55] <muhammed> oramagomayınburamagoyun
[19:55] <mfonda> how to upgrade to kde4.4?
[19:56] <WaltzingAlong> mfonda: through existing kubuntu packages? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-2
[19:56] <mfonda> 4.4 released yesterday, not rc2 ?
[19:56] <EagleScreen> mfonda: wait for packages to be ready
[19:56] <mfonda> just wondering if actual version is available yet or have to wait a bit for package?
[19:56] <mfonda> thanks EagleScreen
[19:56] <WaltzingAlong> mfonda: correct. 4.4 was released yesterday. afaik those packages are not yet ready for kubuntu
[19:57] <EagleScreen> i cannot connect to my wireless network using 4.4.0, so caution
[19:58] <Goliath> hi
[19:58] <Goliath> i suggest for the new kde to look something like this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=sfl9qo&s=6
[19:58] <Goliath> it will give kde a new and fresh look. many people dislike it a bit if it looks like windows
[20:00] <Tatewaki> omg No!
[20:00] <Tatewaki> that is just ugly if you ask me
[20:01] <Goliath> i wanted something which doesnt look like windows
[20:02] <Goliath> this looks more like mac osx
[20:02] <Tatewaki> ehh no not relly
[20:02] <Goliath> why not
[20:02] <Tatewaki> and if you wish for the mac osx look there is a project for that
[20:02] <Goliath> which one?
[20:02] <Tatewaki> the only mac thing is the bar
[20:03] <Goliath> i said looks like not that it copies max osx
[20:03] <Goliath> inspired by it lets say
[20:03] <Tatewaki> http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23
[20:03] <Goliath> but i hate it if it looks like windows
[20:03] <oxymoron> Goliath: Why do you even bother make it look like Apples OS? :S
[20:03] <Tatewaki> it dose not look like windows it just implements the same desktop filosifi
[20:03] <WaltzingAlong> Goliath: make it look like you want to look. provide different themes
[20:04] <Goliath> Tatewaki: i am sick of this philosophy
[20:04] <dashkal> I'm in an interesting situation.  I'm on a machine still running feisty.  I can't find any packages anymore (404).  Is there a repository that still hosts feisty packages?  What I really want to do is get upgraded.
[20:04] <Goliath> having used windows so many years
[20:04] <Goliath> for example the gnome philosophy
[20:04] <Goliath> is kind of nice
[20:04] <WaltzingAlong> dashkal: upgraded to?
[20:04] <Goliath> if they had a better toolkit, which they will get soon
[20:04] <dashkal> Preferrably all the way up, but anything still alive would sufice.
[20:04] <Tatewaki> it's using the same philosophy just it has 2 bars
[20:05] <Tatewaki> you can get your kde to look like gnome if you wish
[20:05] <Tatewaki> i like that i can make KDE look like i want
[20:05] <Tatewaki> that is what i think is the power of KDE
[20:06] <Tatewaki> beside you should not dismess a look just because windows looks a bit like that
[20:06] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: I think the power of KDE is that it looks amazing by default xD
[20:06] <KDesk> Tatewaki: I like lancelot,it is a bit slow.
[20:06] <WaltzingAlong> dashkal: take a look at the upgrade notes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:06] <dashkal> WaltzingAlong: Danke
[20:07] <Tatewaki> oxymoron, i agree that it looks nice as it is, but it's nice that i can change the look if i feel like it
[20:07] <WaltzingAlong> dashkal: bitte. should be able to perform an upgrade. check the section on unsupported (obsolete) versions. there are 2 links there about upgrading from an unsupported version
[20:07] <binnyg> Hi, I installed 9.10 and it always hangs. I can login to the machine using ssh. Can someone point me to where to check for errors? logs? process that are hanging?
[20:08] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: Yes it is nice :) I finally changed the KDM login screen for instance, the previous one was really ugly :D I though fixed autologin so I dont see that page now anyway :D
[20:08] <WaltzingAlong> binnyg: when it hangs, you can still log in via ssh?
[20:08] <binnyg> yes
[20:08] <binnyg> I checked top and memory and processor are ok
[20:08] <EagleScreen> binnyg: that is usually for graphics drivers
[20:09] <binnyg> that is what I suspected but not sure how to fix it or where to look for errors
[20:09] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: I just wait on the freaking 4.4, I really want it badly now :D This RC2 is a little bit laggy, so I really want the real smooth deal
[20:11] <Tatewaki> oxymoron, i could not get the RC to work so i'm also just waiting... Like a kid on Christmas hehe
[20:11] <BusMaster> oxymoron, that makes two of us, waiting for 4.4 ;)
[20:11] <EagleScreen> the real smooth will come in Kubuntu 10.04
[20:11] <BusMaster> EagleScreen, what'll be so special about it?
[20:11] <WaltzingAlong> KDesk: along with the alt+f5 keyboard shortcut?
[20:11] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yeah I noticed on Blueprints, heavy perfomance is on its way :D
[20:11] <WaltzingAlong> BusMaster: lts
[20:12] <BusMaster> oh
[20:12] <binnyg> EagleScreen: What can I do to fix this?
[20:12] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: RC works, but not smooth at the moment. SOme windows in taskbar just mess around and Lancelot hangs all the time as for notifier :P
[20:12] <BusMaster> WaltzingAlong, lts == smooth? why should that be?
[20:12] <KDesk> WaltzingAlong: hmm, i think it is a bit faster, can it be?
[20:12] <EagleScreen> binnyg: fix what?
[20:12] <binnyg> I am a programmer so any pointer to documentation or articles would be great.
[20:12] <oxymoron> BusMaster, Tatewaki: Yeah like kids waiting on christmas. But I want it now, every other distro has it for now I think :P
[20:12] <binnyg> it hangs every now and then and you said it is a driver issue
[20:13] <Tatewaki> yeah but it looks like the compiling of the packages is failing
[20:13] <darthanubis> is there no one who can compile the packages?
[20:14] <EagleScreen> binnyg: pastebin your /var/log/xorg*
[20:14] <WaltzingAlong> BusMaster: lts = long term service; afaik 10.04 will be the next LTS
[20:14] <WaltzingAlong> !lucid | BusMaster
[20:14] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: Yeah, understandable but really annoying now, I have been waiting around 12 hours I think :P They said it should be out today but maybe I have to sleep one more night .D
[20:14] <WaltzingAlong> !lts > BusMaster
[20:15] <BusMaster> ok, got it
[20:15] <Tatewaki> yeah but id also like it to be stable so i can wait
[20:15] <Tatewaki> :)
[20:15] <Tatewaki> but it's hard
[20:16] <WaltzingAlong> Tatewaki: src not an option ? :)
[20:16] <WaltzingAlong> na wait, will do you some good, Tatewaki
[20:16] <Tatewaki> i know from gentoo how long it take to compile from src
[20:16] <shiro_> Hay everyone, can I get some help with this weird problem. When I play music in Banshee all the other programs  that are use audio like youtube seem to crash and when I'm playing a video then open up Banshee none of my songs work, Is this a Gstreamer problem?
[20:17] <Tatewaki> so if the bin is ready tomorrow it's proberly faster then me anyway
[20:17] <Kovert> shiro_: flash?
[20:17] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: So long time it cannot take I think, even if the waiting is because it must be tested and so on before goes public :P
[20:18] <Tatewaki> when i compiled the old 3.5 it took 1 night
[20:18] <Tatewaki> and that was if nothing went wrong
[20:18] <ToxinPowe> oxymoron: I'm back, any news about 4.4 for karmic?
[20:19] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: Slow CPU I guess ... I compiled KDE 4 before from trunk, took maybe 5 hours tops.
[20:19] <oxymoron> ToxinPowe: Wlecome back from the dead :P No, I havent heard anything, just some more people joined the waiting :D
[20:19] <ToxinPowe> oxymoron: ok xD, thanks
[20:20] <KDesk> for the 4.4 packages in karmic. python-kde4 depends on python2.5 Why 2.5 and not 2.6?
[20:20] <Tatewaki> that is almost a night for me ;) But yeah it was a slower cpu then the one i'm running now
[20:21] <oxymoron> Tatewaki: Hehe alright :P
[20:22] <WaltzingAlong> KDesk: apparently not using anything in 2.6 which is not in 2.5?
[20:23] <KDesk> WaltzingAlong: but it depends on =2.5, not >=2.5. So now i have python2.5 and python 2.6
[20:23] <druidu> I see they rebuilt the kdebase-workspace package for kde 4.4, wonder why
[20:23] <WaltzingAlong> KDesk: and now we are just touching some of the tip of this iceberg called packaging
[20:25] <druidu> btw, what's with the alt+f5 shortcut?
[20:28] <oxymoron> druidu: Define rebuilt?
[20:30] <druidu> well, a new version was uploaded 1 hour ago and now it's rebuilding
[20:30] <druidu> in the staging ppa
[20:31] <buckfast> How can I play media opened from filemanager with mplayer without having it open the default gui interface?
[20:36] <druidu> I'm out, have fun with 4.4 when it comes out ;)
[20:51] <dasen> Does anyone know when will kde 4.4 final show up for kubuntu?
[20:52] <Mamarok> dasen: when it is ready, have an eye on http://kubuntu.org
[20:52] <Mamarok> dasen: there are still some tests to do
[20:52] <WaltzingAlong> buckfast: which interface would you like it to open?
[20:52] <dasen> yeah, i know, was just wondering
[20:57] <oxymoron> Mamarok: What tests? :)
[20:58] <binarylooks> i think its time for the F5'ing to beging again :-)
[20:58] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I mean is the packages compiled but you just testing it? :)
[20:58] <soee> yup, they will start soon :)
[21:00] <Mamarok> oxymoron: the packages are built and are now tested
[21:00] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Which practicly means they are up in the near future, right? :P
[21:01] <Mamarok> yes
[21:01] <oxymoron> Mamarok: So if I am up at least 4 hours more I could maybe get 4.4 <3
[21:02] <Mamarok> oxymoron: maybe, I can't tell how long it will take though :)
[21:03] <ToxinPowe> I don't wait more, give my money back! oh wait... :s
[21:04] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yeah I am counting on it :P If you take your best shot, what do you personally think? I mean I could go to sleep and get it tomorrow, but do you think it is worth waiting? :P
[21:04] <Kolia> lol
[21:04] <binarylooks> oxymoron: don't go yet, this time it'll really happen :-)
[21:05] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I can't tell since I am not one of the testers
[21:05] <oxymoron> binarylooks: Yeah I hope so :D I really had been looking forward to it to be released ninth february but no, Kubuntu is slower than usual. I understand though, it takes time compile, testing and so on but still, I am like a little kid :D
[21:05] <BusMaster> rats! my F5 key just wore out
[21:06] <WaltzingAlong> oxymoron: guessing compilation time is not necessarily what takes the longest
[21:06] <BusMaster> now its the time of the left mouse button :)
[21:06] <binarylooks> oxymoron: I actually like the suspense and will be sad when it's over :-(
[21:07] <oxymoron> binarylooks: I dont really like it really, I want it as when I expect it as the release schedule ... :P Sure Open SOurce, I shall not expect anything, but still :D
[21:07] <BusMaster> oxymoron, if you get it within 4 hours do you think you'll get any sleep after that? Arn't you forgetting the playing time once the new toy is in place?
[21:08] <oxymoron> WaltzingAlong: No they have been struggling around I guess and test it a lot :P
[21:08] <binarylooks> oxymoron: you could use the waiting time with learning c++ and helping out?
[21:08] <oxymoron> BusMaster: Hahaha, what too play with? :D The only thing i Want is the default eyecandy and smoothness everywhere :)
[21:09] <WaltzingAlong> oxymoron: go to bed. get 4.4 later ;)
[21:09] <BusMaster> oxymoron, good for you. I usually spend some time staring at it with stars in my eyes and drooling a bit
[21:09] <binarylooks> Mamarok: maybe thats somethinf for the factoid "if you want faster releases, learn c++ and get into the dirt yourself"
[21:09] <oxymoron> binarylooks: You wish :P I actually have been studying C++ 2 years at high school :D But I can say, I freaking hate the syntax literally by downgrading from PHP syntax to C++ even if C++ is far more powerful and complex :P
[21:09] <Mamarok> binarylooks: learn packaging is already a good start I would say :)
[21:10] <BusMaster> oxymoron, where are you from?
[21:10] <oxymoron> BusMaster: Sweden :P You?
[21:10] <BusMaster> oxymoron, mee  too
[21:10] <Mamarok> OK folks, please remember the topic of this channel, discussions should go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <BusMaster> oxymoron, I kind of guessed you'd be from here
[21:11] <oxymoron> BusMaster: Yeah? :P Must be my lousy english then :D
[21:11] <Mamarok> BusMaster, oxymoron: please, take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yes sorry, it is in PM now :P
[21:12] <Mamarok> oxymoron: thank you :)
[21:12] <oxymoron> Mamarok: You are welcome :) Sorry for going offtopic, I do it too often, but cant help it :D
[21:13] <Mamarok> well, I am here to remind you, then :)
[21:14] <apachelogger> heads up: landing of 4.4 for karmic imminent
[21:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: keeping up the heat? ;)
[21:14] <apachelogger> :D
[21:14] <binarylooks> (and he really knows what he is talking about)   :-)
[21:20] <Kolia> darn too much suspense now, can't go to bed early as expected. Damned apachelogger :D
[21:21] <Mamarok> Kolia: language...
[21:25] <perry_>  i am having problems configuring for two instances of squid running on the same box see http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d2a8d5bf1
[21:45] <orion_> hi
[21:46] <oxymoron> WEEEEEEE want KDE 4.4 NOWWWWWW! :D
[21:46] <genii> !hi | orionns
[21:47] <orionns> kde 4.4 released?
[21:49] <binarylooks> copying is happening as of now