[19:28] <Atamira> morning
[19:37] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:55] <chilts> morning
[21:41] <ojwb> morning
[21:46] <hads> morning


[01:30] <mobbydoux> Hi all , I was installed anbox+snap, and i remove her, but i have a enter in env : PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/bin
[01:30] <mobbydoux> How can delete ?
[01:30] <mobbydoux> cmd : sudo env|grep PATH
[01:40] <jbicha> mobbydoux: snap is supposed to be in PATH, it's ok
[01:41] <mobbydoux> yes realy ? is in default in PATH ? becaue i have use 1 hour or remove all snap and anbox lol
[01:44] <mobbydoux> It's no a problem if in snap in my PATH ?
[01:48] <jbicha> it's no problem
[01:50] <mobbydoux> ok ^^
[01:51] <mobbydoux> So now i have the question
[01:51] <mobbydoux> I have a script who run 4x Xterm, 2 Xterm have cmd with sudo, how i can no use sudo is the term ?
[01:52] <jbicha> you might have better luck asking in a more general channel like #ubuntu
[01:53] <mobbydoux> i have tried but nothing now ^^
[01:53] <mobbydoux> i like gnome but for run lot of term is not the better
[02:25] <jbicha> it's a bit late in many people's timezones
[02:26] <mobbydoux> xD
[02:26] <mobbydoux> sleep is for human im a machine
[02:27] <jbicha> good to meet you
[02:27] <mobbydoux> Hello human
[02:27] <jbicha> please put in a good word for me with the other machines, I don't want any trouble :)
[02:27] <mobbydoux> you want $FRIENDS ?
[02:28] <mobbydoux> Im a goot export FRIEND=$(it's not a good friend)
[02:29] <mobbydoux> If you open a Xterm you can see me
[02:32] <mobbydoux> 01101010 ?
[02:32] <mobbydoux><PHONE_NUMBER>11011010 ?
[02:33] <mobbydoux> Why uou don't answer $FRIENDS ?
[02:34] <mobbydoux> FRIENDS=$(satan -6 -s -6 | awk 'cut C-6 | sed s'/go/out/friend/);
[02:35] <mobbydoux> sorry in my country is 4:35AM
[02:35] <mobbydoux> you want i send you a pig ? and you answere me
[02:36] <mobbydoux> i creat a smal Xterm just with a point for see when you ping me
[02:36] <mobbydoux> It's yhe futur of communication with human
[02:37] <mobbydoux> just with a point 1 or 0 yes or no light or down
[02:38] <mobbydoux> xD
[02:40] <mobbydoux> ok @jbicha i have a other question for you::  I have a script, and when it run, 2 Xterm open and run a cmd with sudo. How i can no use sudo ?
[04:25] <Bio_Hazard> test
[04:26] <mobbydoux> over
[11:47] <lexruee> jbicha: is there a reason why the package gnome-shell-extensions is missing in the artful-desktop-amd64.iso? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/artful-desktop-amd64.manifest
[11:59] <darkxst> lexruee, its there, gnome-shell-extensions	3.24.2-0ubuntu2
[12:10] <lexruee> darkxst: okay, now its there :-). it wasn't there when i downloaded the manifest file^^. anyways, thx.
[12:13] <darkxst> not sure how it couldnt be there
[12:13] <darkxst> reverse-depends gnome-shell-extensions
[12:13] <darkxst> Reverse-Depends
[12:13] <darkxst> [12:13] <darkxst> * gnome-core
[12:14] <darkxst> * ubuntu-gnome-desktop [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el]
[12:14] <darkxst> Packages without architectures listed are reverse-dependencies in: amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[12:15] <darkxst> that said it doesnt appear to be seeded in Ubuntu dailies yet
[12:19] <jbicha> darkxst: we haven't even filed a MIR for it yet
[12:21] <jbicha> I believe Ubuntu doesn't want to include GNOME Classic by default so if there is an extension we wanted, we'd need to split the package
[12:22] <darkxst> jbicha, but GNOME classic is part of the upstream experience!
[12:23] <darkxst> I would say it should be there, after all they are the *only* extensions that are actually maintained upstream!
[12:26] <jbicha> darkxst: I'd argue that GNOME Classic is only an optional part of GNOME
[12:27] <lexruee> without the package gnome-shell-extensions the ubuntu gnome desktop is basically incomplete and broken in my opinion. it will miss basic dependencies such as gir1.2-gmenu-3.0. anyways, i'm not a ubuntu user.
[12:27] <darkxst> jbicha, its a core dep
[12:28] <darkxst> pretty sure we have plenty of users that use classic
[12:28] <darkxst> and RHEL use it by default, no not like maintainership is a huge issue
[12:28] <darkxst> s/no/so/
[12:29] <jbicha> sure, but gnome-photos, gnome-music, initial-setup, the Adwaita theme are also part of GNOME Core
[12:29] <jbicha> one issue is having too many options on the login screen
[12:30] <jbicha> darkxst: you're welcome to file the MIR and start a discussion on the u-desktop list
[12:31] <darkxst> jbicha, I will, a little surprised it hasnt been considered as yet, but then I guess there is a lot going on, and I have been next to MIA
[12:31] <jbicha> another issue is that Ubuntu is planning to customize their default session a bit, add some kind of dock, right?
[12:32] <jbicha> but would they need to do the same to GNOME Classic?
[12:32] <darkxst> I think they want to add a cut-down dock-to-dash
[12:32] <jbicha> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOME/MIR_List I suggested it could be in the 'supported' seed
[12:32] <darkxst> as a seperate gnome-shell mode
[12:33] <darkxst> I don't think Ken atleast really gets the underlying details
[12:33] <jbicha> and upstream GNOME Classic uses X not Wayland
[12:33] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780258
[12:34] <jbicha> if somebody installed all the sessions (Ubuntu, GNOME, GNOME Classic, Ubuntu Clasic [?]) in X and Wayland versions, it's really quite a lot
[12:34] <darkxst> and what is the problem with classic using X?
[12:34] <jbicha> because GNOME and Ubuntu are defaulting to Wayland and some people want to use GNOME Classic with Wayland
[12:35] <darkxst> I don't think there will be an Ubuntu Classic, just Ubuntu with a few customisations
[12:35] <jbicha> didn't you talk to Ken last week? ;)
[12:35] <darkxst> yes
[12:36] <darkxst> I honestly don't think wayland by default is realistic for 17.10
[12:37] <darkxst> fedora get away with it because apparently their users are more accustomed to missing features
[12:37] <jbicha> if there hadn't been the big April announcement, I think Ubuntu GNOME 17.10 might have been Wayland by default…
[12:37] <darkxst> and perhaps our fallback story is not as good?
[12:40] <darkxst> jbicha, not while there are issues with black-screen gdm
[12:42] <darkxst> and btw did I miss some memo? is Fedora using wayland by default yet?
[12:43] <jbicha> darkxst: yes since Fedora 25, see also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F25_bugs#Wayland_issues
[12:46] <jbicha> by using a GNOME Shell mode, there isn't a need for the user-themes extension to be included by default
[12:47] <ricotz> hey
[12:47] <darkxst> hey ricotz
[12:48] <ricotz> ubuntu-gnome-desktop still recommends kerneloops-daemon instead of kerneloops
[12:48] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[12:52] <jbicha> I believe the plan is for u-g-desktop to become a transitional package depending on u-desktop, just needs someone to do it
[12:52] <ricotz> oh, I thought it will still be around to have a vanilla gnome experience?
[12:52] <jbicha> and then there will be a new metapackage for a more vanilla GNOME, didrocks want to name it 'gnome-session'
[12:53] <ricotz> I see
[12:59] <darkxst> I don't like the gnome-session idea though
[13:03] <jbicha> I would have rather had a separate metapackage too rather than reusing the name gnome-session
[13:03] <jbicha> darkxst: are you interested in doing the packaging for the new metapackage?
[13:06] <darkxst> jbicha, if I can find time, back at work Mon
[13:10] <jbicha> ok, let me know if you don't get around to it
[13:29] <darkxst> jbicha, will do
[13:32] <darkxst> but its dumping snow here, if I didnt have a work meeting in Melbourne Monday, would be on my way back up already ;(
[13:36] <darkxst> jbicha, on a unrelated note, probably we should build mozjs with --enable-posix-nspr-emulation
[13:36] <darkxst> nspr is not really required anymore in a thread safe build
[13:36] <darkxst> (but apparently still depends on headers regardless)
[13:43] <jbicha> darkxst: I don't know enough about that, Fedora still uses '--with-system-nspr' too
[13:45] <darkxst> theoretically it should improve performance slightly, nspr is overkill for what its used for these days
[13:46] <darkxst> btw I think its new for 52 or 45
[14:27] <titou> greetings everyone!
[14:28] <titou> I need help about gnome and window decoration :(
[14:28] <titou> top window buttons are top left... How do I change that ?
[14:30] <titou> minimize, maximize, close
[14:31] <darkxst> titou, we ship them on the right, and UBuntu will follow
[14:32] <darkxst> you can use gnome-tweak-tool to change them in the meanwhile
[14:33] <titou> I'm not ubuntu-gnome ...
[14:33] <titou> 16.04 lts
[14:34] <darkxst> titou, but your in the ubuntu GNOME channel?
[14:34] <titou> gnome-tweak-tool is up...
[14:35] <titou> where do i go from there ? 'Windows'
[14:36] <darkxst> windows -> placement
[14:37] <darkxst> and probably you will get better support from #ubuntu, this is mostly a development channel
[14:37] <titou> 'Placement' is not there ! : )))
[14:38] <titou> jez...
[14:38] <darkxst> maybe different on 16.04
[14:38] <darkxst> but it was in there also
[14:40] <darkxst> as a last resort there is a button-layout in gsettings but you shouldnt need to dig that deep
[14:40] <jbicha> Placement is new in 17.10
[14:41] <titou> oh
[14:41] <darkxst> what was it called previously ?
[14:41] <titou> so dconf ?
[14:41] <jbicha> it didn't have a simple switch at all for changing the side for window buttons
[14:42] <darkxst> jbicha, what did it have?
[14:42] <titou> no
[14:42] <darkxst> i Could have sworn it handled button layouts?
[14:43] <darkxst> or am I just hallucinating from to much travels?
[14:43] <jbicha> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout ':appmenu,minimize,maximize,close'
[14:44] <jbicha> run that command in a terminal ^
[14:44] <jbicha> it handles buttons, it just didn't let you switch from right to left
[14:44] <titou> lol
[14:45] <titou> it works ! : )))
[14:45] <darkxst> ok, guess I never actually looked that closely then!
[14:46] <darkxst> speaking of which how is your python going, since you seem be maintaing gnome-tweak-tool now?
[14:47] <titou> thanks !
[14:48] <titou> I just flushed my Windows10 and switch to ubuntu 16.04... works like a charm but I trying to make it looks like windows 7 ...
[14:50] <darkxst> titou, step outside your comfort zone for a week, try GNOME as it was meant to be, then report back if you still want it like win7!
[14:50] <titou> 2 labtop with kali, server with ubuntu 16.04 kde and main pc with ubuntu 16.04 gnome
[14:52] <titou> before 16.04 it was easy to change theme and control the look of gnome but now, it's a nightmare :(
[14:59] <darkxst> titou, ubuntu 16.04 does not use GNOME
[14:59] <darkxst> that is why ww made Ubuntu GNOME
[15:00] <titou> first hand on Linux was 1997, redhat 4.2 with a window manager called xwm95 ...
[15:00] <titou> every thing (menu, decoration, icons) was done by hand
[15:01] <titou> it was fantastic upgrade from win95
[15:01] <darkxst> still not
[15:01] <darkxst> GNOME!
[15:01] <titou> : ) yeah I know
[15:02] <titou> my photoshop 7 is running better on my new setup then win10 ! amazing
[15:03] <titou> starcraft wroks great too
[15:03] <titou> *works
[15:04] <darkxst> titou, if you want to contribute toward the future of GNOME on Ubuntu we can help you
[15:04] <darkxst> if not and you just need support, then head over to #ubuntu
[15:05] <titou> thanks guys, you solved my problem
[15:05] <titou> have a great day !


[11:22] <czajkowski> zergless: forogot you were going to fODESM
[11:22] <zergless> yep
[11:22] <zergless> \o/
[11:22] <czajkowski> anyone else in here going ?
[11:22] <czajkowski> few of the irish crowd are flying over also
[11:23] <czajkowski> what flight are you guys on ?
[11:23] <zergless> im brining 25 students + soem associates
[11:23] <zergless> ugh
[11:23] <zergless> 7am friday with ryanair?
[11:23] <czajkowski> http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g188644-d1734057-Reviews-Drug_Opera-Brussels.html
[11:23] <zergless> maybe
[11:23] <czajkowski> is a good place to eat
[11:23] <czajkowski> lts of choice
[11:23] <czajkowski> seats large groups and pretty cheap if you need it
[11:23] <zergless> drug opera lol
[11:23] <czajkowski> train over on Friday I suspect
[11:25] <zergless> that place is near where were staying :D
[11:25] <czajkowski> yup very central to everything
[11:27] <zergless> il give you a shout when were there
[11:27] <zergless> well be around all day
[11:27] <czajkowski> zergless: if not see you in the pub on friday night!
[11:27] <czajkowski> there will be about 14 of us!
[11:28] <zergless> that pub is always packed!
[11:28] <zergless> gg pub though