[00:00] <locodir-user> the only reaction is for windows
[00:00] <student> even if the partition isn't the exact same size
[00:00] <locodir-user> if I just choose the partition and I follow the next untill to finish the installation
[00:00] <Ben64> student: backed up how
[00:00] <locodir-user> Mac OS X runs very well
[00:00] <student> using windows backup and restore utility
[00:00] <student> it created both a disk image and a backup file
[00:00] <Ben64> oh, i'm not sure about that
[00:00] <locodir-user> oh my god
[00:01] <locodir-user> I think I speak to people from space
[00:01] <Ben64> if it tries to write the disc image though, you could have some problems
[00:01] <student> I mean, it's not a big deal since the first time this happened, nothing was backed up
[00:01] <student> so I already lost everything, it would just be inconvenient to redo all the drivers
[00:01] <student> and music
[00:01] <student> and whatnot
[00:01] <locodir-user> give me patience
[00:01] <student> but I ca do that
[00:01] <locodir-user> anyway I will try alone
[00:02] <locodir-user> I bored to ask everybody and nobody to give me an answer
[00:02] <student> ben - I read before that sometimes residual remnants of previous gpt/mbr can mess with a fresh install
[00:02] <Ben64> locodir-user: i've given you an answer, but you don't seem to understand it
[00:02] <student> Ben has been very helpful, don't say no one is helping
[00:03] <locodir-user> what is your answer?
[00:03] <Avatas> Hello room. I'm looking for a list or recommendation for a decent UPS with native software support in Ubuntu 13.10.
[00:03] <Ben64> locodir-user: that installing ubuntu can render osx ubootable
[00:03] <snyp> Is there a way I actually use my discrete ati gpu in my hybrid graphics laptop?
[00:03] <snyp> *I can
[00:03] <student> are there any steps besides completely formatting the ssd that I should take before repartitioning?
[00:03] <student> and do you recommend creating one partition first?
[00:04] <locodir-user> what does it mean?
[00:04] <locodir-user> replacement>
[00:05] <locodir-user> are you mean, replacement?
[00:05] <Avatas> @snyp I've had some luck using bumblebee for Nvidia cards. I'm unsure what the analog for ATI is
[00:05] <locodir-user> linux will replace the mac os x?
[00:05] <locodir-user> are you mean that?
[00:05] <Ben64> student: yeah, windows is pretty picky about where it installs to. you'll need to create a gpt partition table, which will get rid of all partitions. make an ntfs partition for windows, an ext4 for ubuntu, and a bios_grub for the bootloader. you can make more for /home and swap or anything you want, those are optional
[00:06] <snyp> Avatas, ati support, it seems is pretty nil.
[00:06] <student> ben: remind me how to do the bios_grub for the bootloader?
[00:06] <Ben64> locodir-user: when you install ubuntu, normally the grub bootloader is installed onto the master boot record (mbr) of the hard drive. that controls the booting procedure. grub is very good about getting linux and windows to start, but osx is a different story. you can try it if you want, but it could stop you from booting osx
[00:07] <student> if you have time
[00:07] <hipitihop> I have been using unetbootin for creating various bootable usb sticks successfully for some time, but it doesn't seem to create valid boot usb aat all times, e.g. have been trying to create memtest86+ to no avail. Can someon recommend alternativ eto unetbootin
[00:07] <locodir-user> could you suggest me a video guider for it?
[00:08] <locodir-user> a step by step guide?
[00:08] <Avatas> snyp, I was afraid of that. I've had some bad experiences even with their desktop proprietary drivers. At least they are beginning to support OpenCL
[00:08] <Ben64> student: create an unformatted partition, only like 8MB, can be at the end of the drive, doesn't really matter. then right click on it after it is created and hit "manage flags" one of them should be bios_grub
[00:08] <student> ah, perfect
[00:08] <Beldar> hipitihop, pendrivelinux has a handful of usb loaders, look for ones that will run on the OS you use.
[00:08] <student> thanks so much for all your help, this has frustrated me for awhile
[00:08] <student> just out of curiosity, will you be online for a bit?
[00:09] <Ben64> student: most likely
[00:09] <student> great
[00:09] <locodir-user> could you suggest a step by step video guider for it?
[00:11] <hipitihop> Beldar, I use ubuntu 12.04 sorry that's why I'm here
[00:11] <locodir-user> don't you have some guide to show me the steps?
[00:12] <Rousseau> I have a hard time getting my webcam to work on my ubuntu 13.10 installation.
[00:13] <Avatas> Anyone here have a good recommendation for a UPS?
[00:17] <manjaro_user_> Hey im going to ask a question that i know aloooooot of people are struggeling with..and that is the unity dash...have anyone figured out why it is so darn slow? I have tried the no blur thing and its still slow..and it really shouldnt be
[00:18] <Diamondcite> What do you consider slow? And what are you running it on?
[00:19] <Diamondcite> Saying something like "It takes forever just to pop up" when it takes about 5 seconds, makes forever seem awfully short ^_^
[00:20] <manjaro_user_> As in really slow..lag ..eehm slower than normal? Im running it on an laptop with i5 pros, intel hd graphic with nvidia 1 gb gt 540m and 4 gb ram so my comp shouldnt be the issue since my other laptop that had a reaally bad amd card in it could run unity perfectly
[00:20] <tomatopotato> hi folks
[00:20] <tomatopotato> im getting
[00:20] <tomatopotato> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
[00:20] <tomatopotato>   what():  locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid
[00:21] <tomatopotato> any idea?
[00:21] <tomatopotato> what it could be?
[00:21] <manjaro_user_> i have installed intel driver and bumblebee so all drivers should be up to date ..unless ofcourse ubuntu still usues the vesa driver or whatever?
[00:22] <student> ben64: if you're still there - for that bios grub partition, I don't see the proper format in gparted
[00:22] <student> wait
[00:22] <student> never mind
[00:23] <student> does anyone know if the bios_grub partition can be extended or if it has to be primary?
[00:24] <Avatas> manjaro, I have a similar setup in my laptop and don't have those same dash issues. What sorts of fps do you get when you run glxgears?
[00:25] <Ben64> student: if you're using gpt you can make as many primaries as you want
[00:26] <manjaro_user_> I get high fps when using the nvidia card. So 3d accel in my nvidia card works..But its the intel card that runs unity.. But this comp runs windows 8.1 perfectly so mayby it could be a conflict with the intel driver and the nouveu driver?
[00:26] <Jordan_U> student: A BIOS Boot Partition is for GPT. GPT has no primary/extended/logical distinction.
[00:28] <student> Ben64: right, thanks
[00:29] <student> ben64: I tried twice, I got an error saying that the ex4 partition could not be made
[00:29] <student> any ideas?
[00:29] <Avatas> glxgears without optirun should default to the intel card I believe and you still get high fps?
[00:30] <Ben64> student: what is the error
[00:30] <manjaro_user_> no i did use optirun lol hehe
[00:30] <manjaro_user_> brb i need to boot back into ubuntu to check
[00:31] <student> ben64: it says the first ntfs partition was created fine, for the second one: it created the empty partition, cleared old file system signatures, set partition type, but then failed for creating new ext4 filesystem
[00:31] <student> I saved the details
[00:31] <Jordan_U> Ben64: Windows doesn't support booting from GPT disks via BIOS, so it would never really make much sense to have a BIOS Boot Partition on a drive containing a bootable Windows installation. Either student is using UEFI and needs an EFI System Partition, or is booting via BIOS and needs to use an msdos label to be compatable with Windows.
[00:32] <student> I know my bios is set to uefi mode
[00:32] <student> for what it's worth
[00:32] <Ben64> Jordan_U: oh, i didn't realize it couldn't boot bios to gpt
[00:33] <Avatas> Anyone here have a UPS with software support, recommendation?
[00:33] <skd5aner> Hello, my SATA3 SSD is loading as 3.0Gb/s vs 6.0Gb/s, even though the port is SATA3.  Here's the output from smartctl -x /dev/sdb1:  "SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)" - any ideas on how to force that to 6.0Gb/s?
[00:34] <Jazayri> Hi, why i don't receive the firefox 27 update ?
[00:34] <student> Jordan_U: I've formatted my ssd completely, created a partition for windows and left unallocated space for a future ubuntu install, and installed windows. I boot into the ubuntu live cd to format the unallocated space for ubuntu, which then renders windows unbootable and actually appears to erase the partition
[00:34] <student> Jordan_U: this has happened twice now - do you have any idas?
[00:34] <student> ideas
[00:35] <Jordan_U> student: Did the Ubuntu installer list your Windows installation or did it show the whole drive as being unallocated?
[00:40] <ubuntufixer> Avatas you still here? I get 60 fps with glxgears..but as soon as i open the dash it droppes down to 30 ish
[00:41] <Avatas> ubuntufixer, odd indeed. Is this a fresh install and done this from the beginning?
[00:42] <ubuntufixer> Its sorta fresh install. But it has done this since  it was a fresh install..it even does this when im using the live cd
[00:42] <ubuntuaddicted> i can't get minecraft server to start. i keep getting Error: Could not find or load main class minecraft_server.1.7.4.jar
[00:44] <student> Jordan_U: no, it did not recognize windows at all
[00:44] <student> Jordan_U: I was presented with two options: overwrite all existing data on the drive, and "other"
[00:44] <student> Jordan_U: where other showed me how the disk was partitioned, but it just said one big unallocated partition
[00:45] <Avatas> ubuntufixer: You mentioned you tried adjusting some compiz features before?
[00:45] <student> Jordan_U: interestingly, ubuntu showed my windows drive in the file explorer menu and I could see all my music, docs, etc.
[00:45] <student> from the livecd
[00:46] <Jordan_U> student: So the reason that Ubuntu is deleting the partition is that it's doing exactly what it said ot would do, using the whole drive as space for Ubuntu. The reason Ubuntu's installer is only giving the option of using the whole drive is most likely that you have an invalid partition table (which applications that use libparted, like GParted and Ubuntu's install, don't handle very gracefully). Please install Windows again then, ...
[00:46] <Jordan_U> ... before installing Ubuntu, run "sudo parted -l" and pastebin the output.
[00:46] <ubuntufixer> Avatas. Nope, but i do have wobbly windows and that stuff on. And those things arent lagging what so ever. So its only the dash. Everything else is as speedy as i believe it should be
[00:47] <ubuntufixer> so there must be a reason to why on earth the dash is soooo graphic intensive.
[00:48] <Avatas> ubuntufixer: I noticed a significant increase in dash performance by turning off internet suggestions under the privacy settings. Could it possibly be that?
[00:49] <ubuntufixer> Allready done that:)
[00:49] <Avatas> doh!
[00:49] <Avatas> don't suppose you notice any odd bits under dmesg?
[00:50] <student> Jordan_U: will you be online for 20-30 minutes?
[00:50] <student> Jordan_U: also, I'll wipe the drive, but when I install windows - should I leave unallocated space for ubuntu later?
[00:50] <ubuntufixer> idk really so ill just post the output in here
[00:50] <n-iCe> how can I get a list of all my wifi aps and passwords list
[00:50] <Avatas> careful could be long
[00:51] <ubuntufixer> any parts of it spesific you want?
[00:54] <student> Jordan_U: also, gparted was not recognizing my windows partition, but disks was! So when I formatted that one unallocated partition in disks and then attempted to reboot into windows, windows was gone
[00:54] <student> even though disks did recognize the partitions separately AND I could see my windows data in "files" before shutting down after partitioning
[00:56] <ash_> Oh cooool, Ubuntu has IRC.:D
[00:58] <ash_> Hallo. :3
[01:03] <xeno> I guess I just mistakenly installed gnome on Ubuntu server.
[01:03] <xeno> Can I ask here about Ubuntu Server?
[01:04] <xeno> Apparently I need to add a package to put the right window adjustment buttons on my gnome windows, or I need to uninstall gnome and put up whatever it is desktop Ubuntu has.
[01:06] <treehouse> alright.... so i did a apt-get install kvm* ... now, what problems, security risks etc can I expect?
[01:06] <tomatopotato> how do i run python in background? from a terminal on a vps, so i can logout and it still runs?, i tried "&" but doesnt cut it
[01:06] <treehouse> it installed some weird daemons too
[01:06] <Seven_Six_Two> tomatopotato, run it in a screen session
[01:06] <nightfly> tomatopotato: (thing&)&
[01:07] <tomatopotato> ?
[01:07] <Seven_Six_Two> tomatopotato, terminal multiplexer. will continue running if you disconnect from it without exiting.
[01:07] <xeno> I just have an x for deleting on the NE corner of each window.  I'd prever the three button set which is normal.
[01:08] <tomatopotato> oh sorry, im a noob and dont know much tbh
[01:08] <tomatopotato> what do you mean with multiplexer?
[01:08] <treehouse> so... I accidently apt-get install a regex with a wildcard.. installing a lot of weird stuff. What is nova?
[01:08] <k1l_> tomatopotato: "screen"
[01:08] <Seven_Six_Two> tomatopotato, check the man page. it's obvious from that. It's like "windows" for a terminal, except you use hotkeys to switch from one to the other.
[01:09] <xeno> Is it compiz?
[01:09] <tomatopotato> here is what i have to run "python -m Abe.abe --config abe.conf"
[01:09] <tomatopotato> and by itself it works
[01:09] <tomatopotato> ok i will
[01:09] <Seven_Six_Two> tomatopotato, install "screen" and run it.
[01:09] <nightfly> tomatopotato: treehouse It's part of OpenStack
[01:09] <nightfly> err, sorry tomatopotato
[01:10] <tomatopotato> ok screen is installed
[01:10] <tomatopotato> i need to check now the man page
[01:10] <Seven_Six_Two> tomatopotato, then use ctrl+a,ctrl+c to  create a new session, ctrl+a,ctrl+: to get a list of sessions.
[01:10] <Tengis> Ubuntu has been royally pissing me off
[01:11] <Seven_Six_Two> yeah, check it out, and play with it. It's not hard, but it's also not obvious what's going on
[01:11] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, thankfully it's not a monopoly.
[01:11] <Tengis> I built a nas using lubuntu and have been fighting the system to spin my drives down according to hdparm settings
[01:12] <Tengis> I installed lubuntu, samba, and snapraid using aufs for pooling
[01:14] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, you're using ubuntu-server?
[01:15] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, what desktop/environment?
[01:15] <Tengis> Any suggestions on things i could try to fix the problem?
[01:15] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, does hdparm give output, and how do you know if your drives have spun down?
[01:15] <xeno> I just need a desktop system that has reasonable terminal windows and works well with virtualbox
[01:16] <Tengis> Hdparm -C
[01:16] <k1l_> Tengis: see lsof what is causing the writes/reads to not spin them down
[01:16] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, yes, but what are you running now?
[01:16] <Tengis> I used iotop
[01:16] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, is it xfce? openbox?
[01:16] <Tengis> Will isof show more useful information?
[01:16] <Seven_Six_Two> lsof
[01:17] <Seven_Six_Two> shows all open files and what's accessing them.
[01:17] <xeno> Since what I am seeing from the megalithic install of gnome is broken controls on ubuntu server.
[01:17] <xeno> Sorry, I was interrupted.
[01:17] <Tengis> I have all tmp files going to ram also via fstab
[01:18] <xeno> So, I just need to install a package, like the one that is on Ubuntu Desktop, that will have windows that work with Terminal and Virtualbox.
[01:18] <mojtaba> Hi, I have replaced my laptop's HDD (500GB) with a new one (1TB). I have used ddrescue and transferred all of my data. the question is that, how can I use the remaining free 500GB? My ubuntu is also encrypted. should I use gparted to add this to /home?
[01:18] <xeno> How do I know if it is iifce, openbox?
[01:18] <xeno> I just installed ubuntu server, and it didn't have a native desktop, so I installed gnome.
[01:19] <xeno> Gnome has broken windwos as per my above statement.
[01:19] <k1l_> xeno: ubuntu-desktop is the package
[01:19] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, usually there will be a theming utility that will let you change that, but you might justt want to install a different environment like xfce and log out and choose that session.
[01:19] <k1l_> xeno: or lubuntu-desktop, or xubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <xeno> Ok.  So I I apt-get remove gnome, and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will that go?
[01:19] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, that will likely give you unity.
[01:19] <k1l_> xeno: no need for remove so far
[01:20] <xeno> Ok.  I don't mind Unity.  I just want the window controls to work.
[01:21] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, if it's for a server, xubuntu-desktop would work. You need compositing in a vm session?
[01:21] <xeno> The ones I have know have grayed out sizing controls (zoom, for instance) and the only top bar control is the x
[01:21] <xeno> I just picked server by mistake because I'm programming, and I figured it would have a desktop.
[01:21] <Tengis> Im using lubuntu on my NAS
[01:22] <xeno> I Need to test things on many flavors of Linux on virtualbox.
[01:22] <Tengis> You can install ubuntu server with desktop.
[01:22] <wheatthin> anybody familiar with getting ati's opencl working on ubuntu 13.10?
[01:22] <mojtaba> Hi, I have replaced my laptop's HDD (500GB) with a new one (1TB). I have used ddrescue and transferred all of my data. the question is that, how can I use the remaining free 500GB? My ubuntu is also encrypted. should I use gparted to add this to /home?
[01:22] <xeno> So I need virtualbox and terminals to work well.
[01:22] <Tengis> There is a TON of stuffed listed under lsof
[01:22] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, oh, then yeah, ubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <xeno> Ok.  I'll try that now.
[01:23] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, yes, you might need to use grep
[01:23] <Seven_Six_Two> !grep
[01:23] <xeno> Thanks you guys.
[01:23] <Seven_Six_Two> bah. that wasn't about grep.
[01:23] <Seven_Six_Two> mojtaba, yes, gparted would work fine. just be careful!
[01:24] <Tengis> I can navigate lsof but I'm not sure what i should be looking for
[01:24] <mojtaba> Seven_Six_Two: Will the remaining space be encrypted later?
[01:24] <Seven_Six_Two> if you create an encrypted filesystem. Not by default.
[01:25] <tomatopotato> ok thnx guys
[01:25] <tomatopotato> got screen running
[01:25] <tomatopotato> works nice
[01:25] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, anything accessing /dev/hd[abc] when you expect it to spin down
[01:26] <Tengis> Can i sort by devices being accessed
[01:26] <mojtaba> Seven_Six_Two: The first HDD (500GB) was encrypted, and now I want to use extra 500GB of the new HDD (which is not encrypted I guess.)
[01:26] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, I think that the output is dynamic, so you can filter it with grep
[01:26] <rostam> HI general question , I need to  choose a system management software, I am wondering to choose either Puppet or salt. Any recommandation greatly appreciated? thx
[01:26] <n-iCe> help! any video I play in ubuntu is playing fast, like in rewind, any ideas? pls
[01:26] <rww> rostam: salt
[01:26] <Seven_Six_Two> mojtaba, yes, it sounds like you need to create a second partition on that drive.
[01:27] <rostam> rww: could you let me why please?
[01:27] <mojtaba> Seveas: Can I extend the /dev/sda1 for example?
[01:27] <shadowda_> !hamsterbacke Greg Keyes - [Elder Scrolls 01] - The Infernal City (v5.0) (epub).rar
[01:27] <Seven_Six_Two> mojtaba, I'm not sure. You'd be safer just creating another partition. You can mount it wherever you like.
[01:28] <mojtaba> Seven_Six_Two: Then how can I have it encrypted?
[01:28] <Seven_Six_Two> n-iCe, what player?
[01:28] <wheatthin> I just wanted to add a bit more horse power to my graphics rendering
[01:30] <n-iCe> Seven_Six_Two: all videos
[01:30] <n-iCe> Seven_Six_Two: flash I guess
[01:30] <n-iCe> facebook videos, youtube videos, using chrome
[01:30] <Seven_Six_Two> mojtaba, I don't know...
[01:30] <Seven_Six_Two> n-iCe, what browser(s)
[01:30] <Avatas> Hello again all. Does anyone have a recommendation for a UPS with software support for Ubuntu?
[01:30] <Seven_Six_Two> just chrome? not chromium, ff?
[01:30] <k1l_> Tengis: you can give lsof mountpoints or files or devices
[01:31] <n-iCe> Seven_Six_Two: I don't know I just use chrome
[01:31] <Tengis> Im googling how to do that right now
[01:31] <n-iCe> just opened ff, and is ok, so it is just chrome Seven_Six_Two
[01:32] <Seven_Six_Two> n-iCe, it might be a bug with the built-in flash plugin. try to disable it in extensions or plugins, and install the flashplugin-installer from repos
[01:32] <Seven_Six_Two> Avatas, I use APC Back UPS ES 750
[01:33] <Seven_Six_Two> and apcupsd
[01:34] <Tengis> When i run these commands nothing happens. Is it outputting to a log file
[01:34] <Tengis> Lsof | grep '/media'
[01:35] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, no capitals, no "/" and you should specify a device, not a folder
[01:35] <Avatas> Seven_Six_Two: thanks for the recommendation. I was looking at that one. No problems with automated shutdown on power loss?
[01:35] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, like sda1 or sdb2
[01:36] <Seven_Six_Two> Avatas, tbh I haven't tested it in a while. I suppose I should.
[01:36] <atifumacaxi> boa noite, comunidaaade!
[01:36] <Seven_Six_Two> It worked when I installed it.
[01:36] <atifumacaxi> good night, comunity!
[01:36] <Avatas> hah! :)
[01:36] <atifumacaxi> someone there can help me with oracle 10g and perl?
[01:36] <k1l_> Tengis: sudo lsof /media  #iirc
[01:37] <Tengis> None of those output anything unless it's going to a log file or something
[01:38] <k1l_> Tengis: then there is no use in there
[01:38] <k1l_> Tengis: you could try the /dev/sdX
[01:38] <k1l_> Tengis: but i am not aware if some raid setup does interfer with that
[01:38] <Galick> Hello.
[01:39] <xeno> Okay, I installed my Ubuntu-Desktop package, but my terminals STILL don't have working size controls from the keyboard, nor from the top bar menu.
[01:39] <Tengis> My drives are jbod
[01:39] <xeno> The dropdown menu has the controls, but the keyboard controls theylist don't appear to work.
[01:39] <Tengis> No hardware or software raid, just snapraid which is essentially a backup
[01:40] <Galick> How to install CANNON MP280 driver. I don't know how to do that.
[01:40] <treehouse> I apt-get installed * .. now, it installed a lot of weird stuff. How can I see the latest installed packages? (so that I can remove them)?
[01:40] <xeno> I am On a Mac machine with a Mac keyboard, so plain F11 does not work.  What would be the proper F11 I wonder, or is it just broken in the package?
[01:40] <Galick> It's take too long.
[01:40] <k1l_> Tengis: see if manually spindown works with hdparm
[01:40] <Tengis> It does but they spin back up
[01:41] <Tengis> I've got four identical drives all configured exactly the same
[01:41] <Tengis> At 3am with 5+ hours of zero use one or two will still be spinning
[01:41] <atifumacaxi> someone there can help me with perl and oracle 10g??? D:
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> Tengis, is anything in cron or anacron?
[01:42] <Tengis> My fifth drive is the os drive. I've all but abandoned getting that one to spin down because of random things writing and accessing even though i set all tmp to be in a ram drive
[01:42] <Tengis> I put one thing in crontab but it's currently disabled
[01:43] <Galick> Can someone solve problem.
[01:43] <Seven_Six_Two> what are the drive's mount options? are they all the same?
[01:43] <xeno> Ok.  I do have those working.
[01:43] <Seven_Six_Two> Galick, install cups and there should be a driver included.
[01:43] <Seven_Six_Two> Galick, you don't use the cd.
[01:43] <xeno> Is there any way to install some package to get the iconization and full screen buttons on the top bar of windows?  They are still missing.
[01:44] <Beldar> Galick, Tell the channel what you have done in detail so far, IE what driver from where are you talking about.
[01:44] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, do you have a gui login screen?
[01:44] <xeno> Yes.
[01:44] <xeno> Yes, that stuff is adequate.
[01:44] <Tengis> Uuid=x /media/diskx ext4 defaults,noatime 0 2
[01:44] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, and what session are you choosing when you login?
[01:44] <xeno> I don't know.
[01:45] <Tengis> That's exactly how it looks minus the actual uuid and disk 1-5
[01:45] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, there will be a button on the login screen to select different sessions.
[01:45] <xeno> There is something that says...
[01:45] <xeno> High Contrast, Zoom,...
[01:45] <treehouse> how's dpkg related to ubuntu?
[01:45] <treehouse> is it "used"?
[01:46] <xeno> A/nd a date Item.
[01:46] <Seven_Six_Two> treehouse, under the hood, not usually used directly.
[01:46] <treehouse> dpkg -l .. will that lists all installed packages (apt-get) of this system?
[01:46] <treehouse> s/of/in
[01:46] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, somewhere near the login button and password box. It might not even be labelled.
[01:46] <xeno> I don't see anything "Session" related on the login screen.
[01:47] <Seven_Six_Two> something that pops up a list.
[01:47] <xeno> Got it.
[01:47] <xeno> System Default, Gnome, Gnome classic, G.... Ubuntu?
[01:47] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, what's selected? just try them and use what you like. I like gnome and ubuntu, as well as xfce
[01:48] <xeno> Oops.
[01:48] <xeno> No, default was selected.
[01:48] <xeno> I picked Ubuntu, and it left me in a blank desktop with no features.
[01:48] <NeverHere> I asked in -server but no reply,  Is there a way to reinstall the default config files after apt-get purge?
[01:48] <xeno> Now I'm really in trouble.
[01:48] <xeno> I cannot get out.
[01:49] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, alt+ctrl+F1
[01:49] <Seven_Six_Two> log in
[01:49] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm restart
[01:49] <xeno> That put me in a User desktop that now looks normal.
[01:49] <FreewheelinFrank> need command to open folder as root
[01:49] <xeno> Perhaps it was just blank because it took a long time.
[01:50] <Seven_Six_Two> xeno, maybe. Unity isn't known for speed.
[01:50] <xeno> Okay, I will go try things now, but I may have it.  Thank you SevenSixTwo.
[01:50] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, for what?
[01:50] <NeverHere> FreewheelinFrank, open folder? as in change directory?
[01:50] <xeno> I believe it.
[01:50] <FreewheelinFrank> Im trying to open my music folder from my old macbook pro hard drive
[01:51] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, is it in an external case now?
[01:51] <FreewheelinFrank> System\Users\Name\Music
[01:51] <FreewheelinFrank> yes
[01:51] <FreewheelinFrank> connected via USB
[01:52] <Seven_Six_Two> what filesystem is on it?
[01:52] <NeverHere> chmod >.>
[01:52] <FreewheelinFrank> apple...snow leopard
[01:52] <Seven_Six_Two> lol
[01:52] <NeverHere> oh boy
[01:52] <atifumacaxi> AHEUAHEUAHH
[01:52] <Seven_Six_Two> I don't know if the permissions are the same to do chown
[01:52] <FreewheelinFrank> it crashed and I've got ubuntu running on a new box. trying to recover all my old files
[01:53] <NeverHere> FreewheelinFrank, you should be able to do sudo chmod 777 /that/dir/ -R
[01:53] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, ok, try this:   sudo chown -R yourusername /full/path/to/Music
[01:53] <NeverHere> should give you access
[01:53] <NeverHere> or that
[01:53] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, yeah, or the chmod
[01:54] <FreewheelinFrank> ok yesh is there a dictionary of commands so I understand what I'm doing? Any recommendations...so far haven't found
[01:54] <Seven_Six_Two> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[01:55] <remuxa> are there community supported builds of ubuntu for powerpc?
[01:56] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html
[01:57] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, the second one is more what you need, the first will prime you on bash scripting
[01:57] <Seven_Six_Two> and regex.
[01:57] <FreewheelinFrank> Thanks!
[01:58] <FreewheelinFrank> I am trying to remember my username and password now :(
[01:58] <Guest3659> Hello - how I can change the place of icons(close, minimalize) to be one the right side?
[01:58] <FreewheelinFrank> Nothing in the GUI to 'open as'?
[01:59] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, you mean a pdf?
[01:59] <FreewheelinFrank> Hmm no if I can't access through the GUI then I need commands to copy and paste into my new storage system
[01:59] <Beldar> remuxa, might help, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[01:59] <FreewheelinFrank> I guess its unity? Saucy Salamander...
[02:00] <NeverHere> FreewheelinFrank, if you simply copy the files you will have problems with the permissions again unless you mod them first
[02:00] <FreewheelinFrank> Is this just for Gnome
[02:00] <treehouse> made a mistake and apt-get install mk* .. do I need to fear that my security is compromised? I.e. that some "share my comp with the world"-daemon got installed?
[02:00] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, please prepend what you say with the name of the person that you're addressing.
[02:01] <hipitihop> I'm trying to create latest memtest86+ v5.01 as bootable usb flahs drive, I have tried unetbootin, yumi and multi system creators, they either create the usb but memtest fails to boot, or in the case of multi system, it says the memtest iso is not yet supported. I realise this is wrong channel, can someone point me pls
[02:01] <Seven_Six_Two> treehouse, doubtful.
[02:01] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: Thanks my apologies.
[02:01] <hipitihop> other iso with these like ubuntu livecd, rescuedisk etc boot fine
[02:01] <NeverHere> hipitihop, i use lili usb creator
[02:01] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: So I should be looking for the mod command?
[02:02] <hipitihop> NeverHere, will have a look thanks, is there something special about memtest iso ?
[02:02] <NeverHere> hipitihop, im not familiar with memtest. sorry
[02:02] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, what are you trying to do again?
[02:03] <hipitihop> NeverHere, lili is a windows app
[02:03] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: Open my old User folder from an apple mac book pro harddrive
[02:03] <Seven_Six_Two> oh, so did the drive mount already?
[02:04] <NeverHere> hipitihop, yes
[02:04] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two:  Yes I can see folders but can't get into the Music folder, haven't tried others yet
[02:04] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, what is the full path?
[02:05] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, /media/externaldrive/Music
[02:05] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two:  System/Users/Name/Music then it prompts for username & password
[02:06] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, that's not a full path. where is it mounted?
[02:06] <treehouse> do you need to run something as root in order to use kvm?
[02:06] <NeverHere> FreewheelinFrank, wait, so you don't know the username and password on your own harddrive?
[02:06] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: So add Media to front?
[02:07] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two:  Yes I just need to remember it, but can't 'open as' in the GUI
[02:07] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, type    mount | pastebinit
[02:08] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: Yes? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6894490
[02:09] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, ok, it's readonly so you won't be able to change the permisssions.
[02:10] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: Can't even read
[02:10] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: I need a drink
[02:10] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank,          in a terminal, get root with         sudo su -
[02:11] <Seven_Six_Two> then use "cd" to navigate there, and see if you can see files.
[02:11] <Seven_Six_Two> this will give you root, which won't ask you "are you sure" if you do something silly.
[02:11] <Seven_Six_Two> but might let you copy the files off of that filesystem
[02:12] <eflynn> how do i get to the grub command line
[02:15] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two:  hmm 3 incorrect attempts. What if there is no password? Does it reset? after a while?
[02:16] <daftykins> Seven_Six_Two: "sudo su" is bad practice, don't do it and don't advise to do it
[02:16] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, I don't even know where the password requests are coming from. do you not know your ubuntu password?
[02:17] <Seven_Six_Two> daftykins, what's the alternative?
[02:17] <daftykins> sudo -s
[02:17] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: Yes but it is asking me for the password from my old apple hard drive, I haven'
[02:17] <treehouse> k, so KVM needs to die, since it prevents me to use vbox properly. How do I murder KVM?
[02:17] <Seven_Six_Two> daftykins, kk thanks.
[02:17] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: haven't opened it in a year
[02:17] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: that was like three passwords ago
[02:18] <Seven_Six_Two> Freejack_, Where is the password prompt coming from? what command are you doing?
[02:18] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: should be able to crack that mofo!
[02:20] <Seven_Six_Two> FreewheelinFrank, if you're getting a password challenge after doing the command I gave you, that's your ubuntu password, not the mac password. and use "sudo -s" instead.
[02:21] <Nothing_Much> I need help with the top right corner icons
[02:21] <FreewheelinFrank> Seven_Six_Two: Man I can't even change directories
[02:22] <totesmuhgoats> hey guys
[02:22] <totesmuhgoats> what is the equivalent of /var/log/messages in ubuntu?
[02:24] <NeverHere> totesmuhgoats, what kind of messages? like a system log?
[02:25] <totesmuhgoats> NeverHere: i don't really know, a long time ago i used a different distro and it would give me information about things like connected hardware
[02:25] <nothing__much> Helllo?
[02:25] <nothing__much> Oh good
[02:26] <nothing__much> Alright, I'm having problems with the top right corner indicator applets
[02:26] <nothing__much> They just aren't there.
[02:26] <NeverHere> totesmuhgoats, not sure then, i only use /var/log/syslog
[02:26] <quietone> how do I add a keyboard layout via command line?
[02:27] <NeverHere> nothing__much, did you check the top left hand corner for the applets?
[02:27] <nothing__much> Not there NeverHere, the global.. thing works just fine
[02:27] <nothing__much> global menu's?
[02:27] <nothing__much> Oh wait
[02:27] <nothing__much> Those aren't working either..
[02:28] <NeverHere> nothing_much are you using the default ubuntu theme?
[02:28] <nothing__much> I actually just removed Xubuntu-desktop and installed Ubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <nothing__much> And removed most of xubuntu's stuff
[02:28] <nothing__much> I am using ubuntu's default theme
[02:28] <nothing__much> Ambiance
[02:31] <nothing__much> Well I would like the global menus to work as well now. :/
[02:31] <dharc> ubuntu will migrate to logind without systemd?
[02:33] <totesmuhgoats> NeverHere: thanks, i think that was what i was looking for
[02:33] <Not_a_drone> #
[02:34] <k1l_> dharc: yes, consolekit is no longer maintained and systemd included that. so ubuntu will patch logind to run without the whole systemd stack
[02:34] <nothing__much> Can anybody help with the lack of global menus and top right indicator applets?
[02:34]  * nightfly kinda hopes Debian adopts systemd and Ubuntu ends up following in a few years
[02:34] <dharc> k1l_: where can i found any code about this port?
[02:36] <V10energy> please help. I am trying to install asus n10 wireless usb dongle. first I installed build essetnial and then sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r). Then I ran the install.sh that came with the driver and I am getting an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6894575/
[02:36] <jonathan2> i can't get my printer (Canon MF-3010) to print anything, including test pages. cups doesn't seem to report any issues. anybody have thoughts on how to troubleshoot?
[02:37] <eflynn> what is a well written book that covers linux system administration, including ubuntu
[02:37] <k1l_> dharc: i remember a talk about that in the ubuntu developer summit beginning of last year.
[02:38] <esiodo> hola
[02:40] <karen> #ubuntu
[02:40] <Guest22930> #xubuntu
[02:41] <treehouse> I don't have my dashboard or the top bar on my desktop O_o .. what do I do!?
[02:41] <treehouse> can apt-get purge qemu* be the cause?
[02:41] <nightfly> you should stop wildcarding packages...
[02:42] <treehouse> indeed :(
[02:42] <dharc> what about ubuntu gnu/kfreebsd?
[02:42] <SonikkuAmerica> dharc: What is that.
[02:42] <treehouse> did anyone said anything after "you should stop.."?
[02:43] <eflynn> apt-get purge "qemu*" note the quotes
[02:44] <ka> #xubuntu
[02:44] <dharc> SonikkuAmerica: look Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
[02:44] <treehouse> eflynn: what about it?
[02:44] <ka> is there a way to make a update go faster?
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> dharc: This is a better topic for, of all places, #ubuntu-discuss
[02:45] <SchrodingersScat> ka: depends, what seems to be the hold-up?
[02:45] <k1l> ka "/join #channel"
[02:45] <eflynn> treehouse: if you don't quote it the asterisk the shell will glob for it. or do apt-get purge qemu\* note the backslash
[02:45] <ka> nothing gust inpatient. ;)
[02:45] <k1l> dharc: there might be ports but i doubt that is official
[02:45] <ka> just
[02:46] <Nothing_Much> Can I get the freakin' global menus and indicators back on the top right corner???
[02:46] <ka> k1L; what
[02:47] <JustinCase> hi
[02:47] <esiodo> hi hi
[02:47] <Tengis> Would Ubuntu server differ much from lubuntu as far as processes that interfere with hdparm
[02:47] <dharc> k1l: well, should be official because today linux = android :P
[02:47] <ka> is there an offital way.
[02:47] <JustinCase> how can i convert sound files to the .aa3 format?
[02:47] <Tengis> I've been fucking with this nas for weeks and drives won't ever spin down like i want them too
[02:48] <k1l> dharc: sorry but that does not relate to using ubuntu with a bsd kernel.
[02:48] <Nothing_Much> Can I get the freakin' global menus and indicators back on the top right corner???
[02:48] <Tengis> And some how magically i can't browse network share folders anymore with smb://workgroup
[02:48] <treehouse> eflynn: will it do it for sure though? It seemed to "get the message"? (although your point is valid and the right way to do it.. just curious)
[02:48] <treehouse> will it glob it, that is
[02:48] <ka> can someone help me
[02:48] <SchrodingersScat> JustinCase: have you tried ffmpeg or avconv?
[02:48] <eflynn> treehouse: it's a shell thing
[02:49] <ka> hello
[02:49] <JustinCase> no i have not
[02:49] <Nothing_Much> Can I get the freakin' global menus and indicators back on the top right corner???
[02:49] <JustinCase>  i am not that smart
[02:49] <eflynn> treehouse: test it with echo qemu*
[02:49] <eflynn> treehouse: it's not always going to "get it"
[02:49] <treehouse> eflynn: did that. it seems that * only "expands" if you express it isolated
[02:49] <ka> hello
[02:49] <eflynn> treehouse: wrong!
[02:50] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, What desktop and ubuntu release, details to the channel please.
[02:50] <treehouse> eflynn: echo qemu*   I got "qemu*", did you get something else?
[02:50] <eflynn> treehouse: yeah
[02:50] <ka> can someone help me
[02:50] <eflynn> treehouse: because i have no files in the current directory that match the glob :)
[02:50] <k1l> !details | ka
[02:51] <eflynn> treehouse: try "touch qemu_a qemu_b" and do the echo again
[02:51] <treehouse> ah.. indeed
[02:51] <ka> is there a way i can speed up a update
[02:51] <k1l> ka no
[02:51] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: I'm on Ubuntu 13.10 and Unity
[02:51] <knight`> JustinCase: install libav-tools from software centre
[02:51] <eflynn> treehouse: if you do qemu\* or "qemu*" you get what you're expecting
[02:52] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, Are the missing items associated with any changes you have done?
[02:52] <treehouse> thanks eflynn :)
[02:52] <eflynn> treehouse: no problem
[02:53] <treehouse> is it easy to just apt-get install another desktop environment? (I just screwed unity up)
[02:53] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: Yeah- wait what? Well, what I did was install Xubuntu from a disk, then wanted to use Ubuntu, so I installed ubuntu-desktop and removed xubuntu's packages
[02:54] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, xubuntu is a meta package set up, how exactly did you remove it?
[02:54] <Nothing_Much> I purged all of the xfce packages
[02:54] <Nothing_Much> Through synaptic
[02:55] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, My guess that is the root of the issue, you would not generally remove that way, a package list is best.
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> A what?
[02:55] <Nothing_Much> Never heard of a package list
[02:56] <treehouse> can one restart the whole desktop thingie? (since I lack a logut button)
[02:56] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, For example, notice the specific releases. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu
[02:56] <Oobi> help
[02:57] <Oobi> i can't paste anything, it's just greyed out
[02:57] <Oobi> the paste button
[02:57] <SpudDogg> Oobi, what application?
[02:57] <Oobi> the files and folders
[02:58] <SpudDogg> what about in the right-click context?
[02:58] <Oobi> yea, the drop down folder when i right click
[02:58] <Oobi> the paste button is greyed out
[02:58] <SpudDogg> waht are you trying to paste?
[02:58] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: Well.. that didn't do much
[02:58] <Nothing_Much> At all
[02:59] <Oobi> a tar.gz file
[02:59] <Oobi> installing java
[02:59] <Oobi> in /usr/local
[02:59] <SpudDogg> trying to paste to /usr/local?  assuming it's a permissions issue
[02:59] <jonathan2> anybody have any experience with canon ufr driver in ubuntu 13.10?
[02:59] <SpudDogg> perhaps you don't have write permissions?
[02:59] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, What didn't do much? we don't do magic here when users error.
[02:59] <Oobi> where is a good place to install java then
[02:59] <Nothing_Much> Sorry
[02:59] <Nothing_Much> Uh
[02:59] <Nothing_Much> I copied and pasted the command for removing Xubuntu
[03:00] <Nothing_Much> It didn't work
[03:00] <SpudDogg> Oobi: you should just install with apt-get install java-7-jre or whatever
[03:00] <SpudDogg> Oobi: apt-cache search java.  then find the openjdk one.
[03:00] <SpudDogg> Oobi: actually, isn't java installed by default in ubuntu? (sorry, i come from just straight debian)
[03:01] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, You have already removed part of it, it should error. I gave you the example as to what should have been done.
[03:01] <guest_____> I am running Ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> LTS with a kernel version 3.2.0-58-generic. Do I have the latest kernel (3.11)???
[03:01] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: I know, so how do I get my global menus and indicators back?
[03:02] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, You could probably reload what you have removed, check if the menu stuff is back, then use a removal list, just a guess though.
[03:02] <Oobi> well, i'm just trying to play minecraft
[03:02] <k1l> guest_____: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[03:02] <Oobi> this is the cost of using ubuntu in a windows world
[03:03] <SpudDogg> Oobi: go to minecraft.net, download Minecraft.jar.  open a terminal, 'cd Downloads' then just java -jar Minecraft.jar
[03:03] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, I am assuming you noticed there are pages for each release IE 12.04 to 13.04 with the desktop lists on them.
[03:03] <Guest67174> can open jdk run minecraft?
[03:04] <SpudDogg> Guest67174: yes, i do it every day :)
[03:04] <Oobi> wow it's installing java now
[03:04] <Guest67174> thanks ,<SpudDogg>
[03:06] <Nothing_Much> Oi
[03:06] <Guest67174> i am downloading ubutntu 14.04  Daily Build.can this vertion update to release version by apt-get upgrade?
[03:06] <Nothing_Much> I have no idea what you're talking about Beldar
[03:06] <rww> Guest67174: 1) 14.04 support in #ubuntu+1 until it's released. 2) yes
[03:06] <Beldar> !14.04 | Guest67174
[03:06] <Oobi> for some reason, ubuntu makes me think the tubular bells by mike oldfield
[03:06] <Oobi> the name
[03:07] <SpudDogg> Oobi: you get minecraft running?
[03:07] <phuh> What is the best window manager that uses the least memory resources?
[03:07] <Oobi> it's still installing java
[03:07] <Guest67174> thank u
[03:07] <SpudDogg> Oobi: installing with apt-get?
[03:07] <Oobi> yea
[03:07] <k1l> phuh: ohhh, there are very very minimal desktops. but i doubt you want that. try lubuntu as a beginning.
[03:08] <SpudDogg> good.  it should work fine afterwards
[03:08] <Oobi> windows is like circumcision
[03:08] <Oobi> people just do it because everyone else does it
[03:08] <rww> Oobi: keep to support in this channel, thanks.
[03:08] <SpudDogg> lol
[03:08] <l1t> hooded knight reporting in
[03:08] <Oobi> where is the ubuntu lobby?
[03:08] <rww> !offtopic
[03:10] <phuh> k1l: i have a very limited memory vps instance and i'd like to run a java app based on Java Swing. Could I ask your advice on that?
[03:10] <phuh> will any window manager able to display java swing app?
[03:11] <k1l> phuh: see: http://askubuntu.com/questions/321924/how-do-i-configure-a-minimal-desktop-environment
[03:11] <k1l> i dont know what you java app needs to run
[03:11] <phuh> thank you k1l
[03:15] <alan_> Hello
[03:15] <wachin> Hi to all Ubuntu channel, I have a Logitech Wireless Touch Keyboard K400  but no working this command on a terminal: synclient LockedDrags=1
[03:15] <Guest64602> Hello
[03:15] <wachin> Some Us know how to make working
[03:16] <Guest64602> Hi, all my icons on the taskbar on the left hand side have disappeared and can't manage to get them back, anyone got suggestions?
[03:17] <changeguy> hey, has anyone any experiece with ubuntop for android?
[03:19] <Beldar> !touch | changeguy
[03:19] <changeguy> its not ubuntu touch, its ubuntop for motoral atrix
[03:20] <kicho> im newbie in linux
[03:21] <kicho> where can i find info
[03:21] <Beldar> changeguy, the touch channel covers it and an desktop image for android devices.
[03:21] <kicho> _-
[03:21] <SpudDogg> kicho: anything in particular?
[03:21] <SchrodingersScat> !info | kicho
[03:21] <kicho> commands
[03:21] <kicho> how to install
[03:21] <SchrodingersScat> huh, i was hoping that would do something else.
[03:21] <julianofischer> kicho: www.ubuntu.com www.ubuntuforums.com
[03:21] <changeguy> Beldar: what is the #touch chanel?
[03:21] <kicho> I download firefox, the last version, and I dont know how to install it
[03:22] <Beldar> changeguy: Information about the Ubuntu Touch platform for Phone and Tablet is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch support and discussion in #ubuntu-touch
[03:22] <kicho> i appreciate, its very helpull know that there are people to help the newbies
[03:22] <julianofischer> kicho: you can use the command chmod +x file
[03:22] <julianofischer> kicho: this will "make" your file executable
[03:23] <changeguy> could I install libreoffice on jaunty
[03:23] <Beldar> changeguy, If this is a computer that an ubuntu install can be put on this is the channel, if and android you want the other channel is all.
[03:23] <julianofischer> kicho: so you can execute it: ./file
[03:24] <kicho> im trying
[03:26] <julianofischer> kicho: ok
[03:27] <kicho> I got a message that can[t found the order
[03:27] <kicho> im on the directory download
[03:28] <kicho> Chmod +x firefox-27.0.tar.bz2
[03:29] <kicho> kicho@kicho-Inspiron-N5110:~/Descargas$ dir
[03:29] <kicho> ADI-comandos-linux.pdf	      firefox-27.0.tar.bz2     tutorial_18pag.pdf
[03:29] <kicho> Comandos\ basicos\ linux.pdf  Linux\ Dummies\ 9th.pdf
[03:29] <kicho> kicho@kicho-Inspiron-N5110:~/Descargas$ ^C
[03:29] <kicho> kicho@kicho-Inspiron-N5110:~/Descargas$ chmod +x
[03:29] <kicho> chmod: falta un operando después de «+x»
[03:29] <kicho> Pruebe «chmod --help» para más información.
[03:29] <kicho> kicho@kicho-Inspiron-N5110:~/Descargas$ Chmod +x firefox-27.0.tar.bz2
[03:29] <kicho> No se ha encontrado la orden «Chmod», quizás quiso decir:
[03:29] <kicho>  La orden «chmod» del paquete «coreutils» (main)
[03:29] <kicho> Chmod: no se encontró la orden
[03:29] <rww> kicho: don't paste into the channel. Use a pastebin like http://paste.ubuntu.com. Thanks :)
[03:29] <kicho> ok, sorry for my mistake
[03:30] <kicho> as I said Im newbie in this world
[03:30] <kicho> thnaks
[03:30] <julianofischer> kicho: you need to add the name of the file "chmod +x FILE"
[03:31] <guest_____> Is the 14.04 HWE stack available?
[03:33] <kicho> julianofischer: thanks for the help
[03:33] <Beldar> guest_____, #ubuntu+1 is the 14.04 channel
[03:34] <guest_____> Beldar - thanks.
[03:35] <julianofischer> kicho: =) you're welcome
[03:39] <changeguy> can I install libreoffice in jaunty
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> I told you already, changeguy...
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> !9.04 | changeguy
[03:40] <changeguy> there is an option to chroot debian and supposedly have access to thier full respority. would that work thorugh jaunty you think?
[03:40] <Beldar> changeguy, You have a android release, you are on the wrong channel, find a ubuntop link.
[03:40] <Emmamartina> CHOLBY RULES
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> The heck?
[03:41] <rww> SonikkuAmerica: hrm?
[03:41] <SonikkuAmerica> rww: I'll ask in #u-o
[03:43] <pixlgeek> Does the Ubiquity installer support RAID configurations in the partition manager yet?
[03:43] <pixlgeek> In 13.1?
[03:46] <treehouse> so, xterm seems obsolete. What do you use nowadays in a graphics environment when you want a terminal?
[03:46] <pixlgeek> "Terminal"
[03:46] <rww> treehouse: depends on which WM/DE I'm using
[03:46] <treehouse> seems so, xfce4-terminal
[03:52] <guest_____> Currently downloading the Saucy HWE. Need to free up some resources so my download may be a bit faster. BRB.
[03:52] <pixlgeek> Does the Ubiquity installer support RAID configurations in the partition manager  yet?
[03:54] <zykotick9> treehouse: i'm a fan of urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) but it's very similar to xterm in many ways, only much better ;)  not for the faint of heart.
[03:58] <nightfly>  xfce4-terminal++
[03:58] <oobi> help
[03:59] <SpudDogg> oobi: sup?
[03:59] <Oog> i finally figured out why my syslog file is empty - because everything is going to syslog.1 ?!
[03:59] <oobi> how do i run minecraft.jar
[03:59] <SpudDogg> java -jar Minecraft.jar
[03:59] <Oog> and is the sshd user supposed to own syslog...? that seems odd
[04:00] <oobi> cou
[04:01] <cfhowlett> !minecraft
[04:07] <Oog> wait... syslog hasnt been logging since january 12...
[04:07] <Oog> that is what happened something is broken
[04:07] <Reliant> After choosing Ubuntu at Grub, all I get is the purple background and the computer just hangs. I've tried changing the /etc/default/grub to remove any graphical options, but nothing I've tried works
[04:09] <zykotick9> !nomodeset | Reliant
[04:10] <ka> i have xubuntu 12.10 and i dont know how to mark a file as an executable bit
[04:11] <ka> what would the command be
[04:11] <rww> chmod +x filename
[04:11] <SpudDogg> chmod +x FILE
[04:11] <Oog> i think it is related to this xcsonole thing...
[04:11] <ka> that command wont work
[04:12] <SpudDogg> error?
[04:12] <SpudDogg> probably a permissions issue
[04:12] <ka> idk how to fix it
[04:12] <SpudDogg> is there an error?
[04:12] <ka> idk
[04:12] <SpudDogg> also, what file?  complete path, please
[04:12] <ka> i have 12.10
[04:13] <ka> minecraft.jar
[04:13] <SpudDogg> you dont need that to be executable
[04:13] <SpudDogg> java -jar Minecraft.jar
[04:13] <SpudDogg> whats with all the minecraft questions tonight, i wonder
[04:13] <rww> better than crypto currency questions
[04:13] <ka> i have xubuntu
[04:13] <rww> minecrafters don't try to compile from source at least
[04:13] <SpudDogg> rww: lol i bet
[04:14] <SpudDogg> ka: it doesnt matter what version you're running.  if you have the minecraft jar and java installed, it should run
[04:16] <ka> javhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6894946/
[04:16] <ka> link
[04:16] <SpudDogg> 'java -jar /path/to/Minecraft.jar'
[04:17] <SpudDogg> ka: you just downloaded Minecraft.jar?  open a terminal and 'cd Downloads' then try 'java -jar Minecraft.jar'
[04:17] <oobi> how do you get root permission in files and folders
[04:17] <SpudDogg> oobi: sudo <command>
[04:18] <oobi> in the gui
[04:18] <SpudDogg> oobi: sudo nautilus
[04:18] <SpudDogg> oobi: i think, at least
[04:18] <rww> !gksudo
[04:18] <ka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6894951/
[04:19] <ka> link
[04:19] <SpudDogg> ka:  walk me through the steps you've taken so far
[04:19] <user__> hello
[04:19] <user__> how to play videos in firefox
[04:19] <user__> ?
[04:20] <SpudDogg> user__: flash videos?
[04:20] <user__> SpudDogg: yep
[04:20] <SpudDogg> doesnt flash player come installed in ubuntu?
[04:20] <ka> ive downloaded and i tryed to mark as executable bit
[04:20] <cfhowlett> !flash|user__,
[04:20] <SpudDogg> ka: you dont need to make it executable
[04:20] <ka> yes i do
[04:20] <ka> i have xubuntu
[04:20] <SpudDogg> nope, you dont
[04:21] <SpudDogg> the version doesnt matter
[04:21] <viper_67> Hi ladies and gents, I'm trying to get the extra plugins for compiz on Ubuntu 13.10 . I had them on twelve but it seems the fire effect and all the extras are absent
[04:21] <Oog> rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="5.8.11" x-pid="2676" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed
[04:21] <SpudDogg> ka:  in your pastes, please include the command you're running
[04:21] <ka> i alredy tried to and it said to mark as executable bit
[04:21] <ka> i did
[04:21] <SpudDogg> all you posted was the error
[04:22] <ka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6894967/
[04:22] <viper_67> anyone know if you can get the extra compiz plugins on ubuntu 13.10
[04:22] <cfhowlett> !compiz\viper_67,
[04:23] <cfhowlett> !compiz|viper_67,
[04:23] <ka> wtf what do i do
[04:23] <SpudDogg> ka:  the path is incorrect.  'java -jar /home/karen/Downloads/Minecraft.jar
[04:23] <ka> oh ok
[04:23] <cfhowlett> !language|ka
[04:23] <SpudDogg> ka:  and capitalization matters
[04:23] <ka> i used an acronam
[04:24] <rww> (it still counts)
[04:24] <ka> acronym
[04:24] <ka> what 5 year old do you know that uses xchat
[04:24] <SpudDogg> ka:  you could also just 'java -jar ~/Downloads/Minecraft.jar'
[04:25] <rww> ka: it's not about people's ages, it's about what level of discussion we want in here
[04:25] <ka> oh ok
[04:25] <cfhowlett> ka  the rules are for everyone - even you
[04:25] <michabo> is anybody here who runs compiz in gnome 3
[04:25] <cfhowlett> !anyone|michabo,
[04:26] <michabo> How to run compiz in gnome 3
[04:26] <Tengis> Is there any reason not to run a gui on ubuntu server?
[04:27] <SpudDogg> Tengis: yes, it's unecessary overhead
[04:27] <Tengis> It takes up minimal resources with lubuntu desktop environment
[04:27] <rww> the more you have running, the more potential security issues you have
[04:27] <SpudDogg> Tengis: also the more stuff you have running the more (potentially) vulnerable the system is
[04:27] <SpudDogg> rww: grr
[04:27] <SpudDogg> rww: stop typing faster than me
[04:27] <SpudDogg> rww: :)
[04:28] <Tengis> I just hate command line text editors and command line file transfers
[04:28] <rww> then hopefully you keep packages up to date and aren't running anything important
[04:28] <SpudDogg> Tengis: once you learn vi, you'll hate and never use a gui text editor again
[04:29] <rww> not really true, I use both vim and kate a lot
[04:29] <SpudDogg> never never means never
[04:29] <Tengis>  I have a hard time justifying ubuntu for my nas anyway. Config takes four times as long
[04:29] <SpudDogg> Tengis: 4 times as long as what?
[04:29] <Tengis> I've been fighting issues with my drives spinning down for weeks
[04:30] <Tengis> I screwed around with windows7 on a spare drive and set up my snapraid and shares in 20 minutes and everything including my drives worked perfect
[04:30] <SpudDogg> i've had similar issues with ubuntu (specifically server) in the past.  if its a server, i suggest straight debian
[04:31] <michabo> please tell me ubottu what means !gq, and !poll
[04:31] <SpudDogg> (or freebsd, but thats another conversation)
[04:31] <rww> ubottu: gq
[04:31] <rww> ubottu: poll
[04:32] <ka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6894980/
[04:32] <Tengis> Something in Ubuntu keeps hdparm from doing what it is suppose to be doing
[04:32] <SpudDogg> ka: use this:  'java -jar ~/Downloads/Minecraft.jar'
[04:33] <SpudDogg> ka:  assuming you downloaded Minecraft.jar to your home folder's Download folder
[04:33] <michabo> i am not here to read all the stuff you know i am here to ask questions
[04:37] <michabo> is any one her who answer a simple question like who knows how to run compiz in gnome 3
[04:37] <rww> you don't
[04:40] <changeguy> can someone explain backports to me? Can I install a newer application thorugh the use of backports? Say libreoffice in jaunty?
[04:40] <rww> changeguy: jaunty is still not supported here
[04:40] <changeguy> is that the purpose of backports in general though?
[04:41] <rww> ubottu: backports
[04:42] <michabo> for ubottu Habt Ihr gerade niemanden zur Hand werdet Ihr bald feststellen, dass es eine Vielzahl von Möglichkeiten gibt andere Linux-Benutzer über das Netz zu kontaktieren und Ihr auch auf diese Weise schnell Antworten auf Eure Fragen bekommen könnt.
[04:42] <michabo> So gibt es eine Vielzahl von Foren, Community-Websites und Chats in denen sich Linux User tummeln, und deren Benutzer Euch gerne weiterhelfen werden. Geratet Ihr mal an Jemanden der Euch ein RTFM an den Kopf werft, ignoriert Ihn und sonnt Euch in dem Wissen, dass Er/Sie vom wahren Linux-Weg abgekommen ist, da er/sie den Gemeinschaftscharakter von Linux verkennt.
[04:43] <linux_> hi
[04:43] <hewhomust> hi
[04:43] <linux_> how r u?
[04:44] <hewhomust> good
[04:44] <linux_> i'm good too
[04:45] <linux_> here is 8:14' morning,
[04:45] <tr3y> How can I fix the "this plugin only works on the desktop" error in chromium?
[04:45] <tr3y> I think it's a flash error...
[04:45] <changeguy> if I run debian chrooted under ubuntu, does the debian have full access to the hardware or is it like "virtualition"
[04:46] <daftykins> changeguy: it's not virt, it's chroot ;)
[04:46] <changeguy> daftykins: so does it run just as fast
[04:47] <changeguy> or is there a "layer"
[04:47] <mjoseph_> hello all
[04:48] <mjoseph_> Can anyone here help me out with upgrading to Grub2 on 10.04 ?
[04:48] <mrbogus> emacs is not include in ubuntu default package?
[04:48] <hewhomust> why are you using 10.04 eol
[04:48] <cfhowlett> !eol|mjoseph_,
[04:48] <mjoseph_> Sorry I meant 12.04....  argh
[04:49] <mjoseph_> In my defense, it's late here.  :D
[04:49] <hewhomust>  mrbogus sudo apt-get install emacs24
[04:49] <mrbogus> hwhomust: thanks
[04:50] <hewhomust> np
[04:51] <phuh> how do you switch a window manager to another when you have multiple installed on a machine?
[04:51] <hewhomust> phun log out and there should be a unity icon you can then choose what wm to use
[04:51] <phuh> hewhomust: i installed it on a ubuntu server and i tried reboot but i'm stuck with the first one i installed
[04:52] <Aussie_matt> hi all: I have an old IDE drive Im trying to get my data off: It was from a 486DX with ms dos 6.2 and win 3.11...what format would this disk be in?
[04:52] <tr3y> Anyone ran into the "this plugin only works on the desktop" error in chromium?
[04:53] <cfhowlett> Aussie_matt, ntfs I would guess
[04:53] <mjoseph_> So... Correction: Can anyone here help me out with upgrading to Grub2 on 12.04 ?
[04:53] <hewhomust> sudo fdisk -l
[04:53] <Aussie_matt> cfhowlett: I thought ntfs was a xp thing
[04:53] <cfhowlett> !anyone|tr3y,
[04:53] <SpudDogg> Aussie_matt: its gonna be fat, likely
[04:53] <cfhowlett> Aussie_matt, you might be right ....
[04:54] <Aussie_matt> hewhomust: fdisk -l gives a input output error
[04:54] <zykotick9> cfhowlett: dos is incapable of using ntfs - that was introduced with NT
[04:54] <cfhowlett> zykotick9, and now everyone knows I'm an old neckbeard ...
[04:54] <michabo> ok last try , can anyone help me to use compiz in gnome 3
[04:54] <Aussie_matt> SpudDogg: any way I can check if fat is enabled on my system? or it's just part of the kernel these days?
[04:55] <SpudDogg> Aussie_matt: honestly i have no idea.  i would imagine it's supported
[04:55] <tr3y> Okay... I tried to run the "WorkFlowy" app in Chromium and in the help section it tries to play a video. It appears broken and when I mouse over it, it says "This plug in only works on the desktop." It appears to be flash. Does anyone know of a wayt o make this play in chromium?
[04:55] <changeguy> assuming I'm stuck on Jaunty, would it be better to use chroot debian or try to use backports?
[04:55] <hewhomust> do you have flash try3?
[04:56] <tr3y> yes I have the adobe flash plugin from the software center
[04:56] <hewhomust> changeguy no backports for it, the best thing would be to backup the data and reinstall
[04:57] <changeguy> hewhomust: im stuck on this version, running on an android phone via webtop
[04:58] <Guest93547> How do I set up a virtual machine to bypass the vpn on the host machine it is running in so that all the host's traffic remains on tun1 and all of the virtual machine remains on wlan0/1?
[04:58] <Bashing-om> changeguy: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades fot the howto.
[04:58] <Bashing-om> *for
[04:59] <daftykins> changeguy: i don't think you really are using chroot right
[05:00] <changeguy> daftykins: im not using chroot currently. but there is an option to use a debian image in chroot to access updated files.
[05:00] <changeguy> daftykins: or I can install gentoo
[05:00] <mattkruse> harharhar
[05:00] <changeguy> apparently there isn't an updated ubuntu for this phone
[05:01] <mjoseph_> Can anyone here me out with upgrading to Grub2 on 12.04 ?  I tried following these instructions, but I don't get the prompt indicated in Step 2.1... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Upgrading
[05:01] <Guest93547> mjoseph_, Why do you want to upgrade to Grub2?
[05:02] <mjoseph_> Guest93547, because legacy grub is supposedly no longer supported/updated, and grub2 is purtier?  :)
[05:02] <daftykins> changeguy: i don't really get the device you're using but i definitely don't think it's supported
[05:03] <Beldar> mjoseph_, what release are you running?
[05:03] <michabo> ok, god bye everybody and this is for for UBOTTU have a nice day by reading your books...
[05:04] <mrbogus> I'm installing 'Ubuntu restricted extras' it seems to stuck in Applying changes.
[05:04] <mrbogus> Would it take too long to apply changes?
[05:04] <mjoseph_> Beldar, 12.04 LTS
[05:04] <Guest93547> mjoseph_, That is not entirely the best reason to upgrade Grub.
[05:04] <cfhowlett> mrbogus, probably not stuck it just takes a while and the feedback is not the best
[05:04] <Beldar> mjoseph_, why would you have grub legacy?
[05:05] <mrbogus> cfhowlett, alright. I'l just have to wait. Thanks
[05:05] <mjoseph_> Beldar, Dunno man.  I just installed 12.04 the other day
[05:05] <Guest93547> mjoseph_, backup your partitions to a spare hdd before messing with Grub.
[05:05] <Beldar> mjoseph_, what does this show  sudo grub-install -v
[05:05] <Busybyeski> howdy folks!  if i'd like to install ubuntu over windows 7, but i don't have enough space around the house to backup my personal media, can i use windows/ubuntu install tools to partition out the good stuff before i reformat? what ought i use?
[05:05] <cfhowlett> mrbogus, I seem to recall it being about a 30 minute process on my slow china internet.  Pay attention to messages - you have to confirm the fonts and a couple other things
[05:06] <mjoseph_> Guest93547, I have full system image backups of my windoze partition.  :D
[05:06] <cfhowlett> !gparted|Busybyeski,
[05:06] <abuas> how to bypass or remove password on phpmyadmin
[05:06] <abuas> please support it
[05:06] <Busybyeski> cfhowlett: boot into live and partition before trying the install?
[05:06] <cfhowlett> Busybyeski, that is the usual method.  see the next link
[05:06] <cfhowlett> !install
[05:06] <mjoseph_> Beldar, it shoes 1.99-21ubuntu3.14
[05:06] <Guest93547> Busybyeski, Does Ubuntu's installer still support linking to the user folder on Windows when doing a duel boot?
[05:06] <abuas> *The problem is am have install phpmyadmin and am forget the password and username for login on phpmyadmin, am have remove it but still can't used to
[05:07] <abuas> any body can help me ?
[05:07] <Beldar> mjoseph_, That is grub 2 it comes with 12.04
[05:07] <cfhowlett> !patience|abuas,
[05:07] <Busybyeski> Gueest93547 i'm not sure i haven't taken a look at it at all. my stuff is a bit scattered outside of the user folder though
[05:07] <Busybyeski> Guest93547*
[05:07] <abuas> am have do it
[05:07] <mjoseph_> Beldar, really??  It looks totally different than when I was running 13.04...
[05:08] <mrbogus> cfhowlett: Where can I find those messages in Ubuntu Software Center?
[05:08] <Beldar> mjoseph_, each release may have versions of grub 2, there is a ppa for grub, ppa's are not inherently supported here though.
[05:08] <tr3y> Okay... I tried to run the "WorkFlowy" app in Chromium and in the help section it tries to play a video. It appears broken and when I mouse over it, it says "This plug in only works on the desktop." It appears to be flash. Does anyone know of a wayt o make this play in chromium? and I do have the adobe flash plugin for chromium4
[05:09] <cfhowlett> Busybyeski, in windows: defrag first
[05:09] <cfhowlett> mrbogus, I only install with terminal :)  just watch your sytem.
[05:09] <mjoseph_> Beldar, ok thanks...  Never mind I guess.  :)   Have some Tang, I'll buy.  :D
[05:10] <Guest93547> Busybyeski, windows has partitioning tools
[05:10] <Y2KVet> Is there a program to display uptime somewhere unobtrusive on the screen, continually updating?
[05:10] <mrbogus> cfhowlett, Oh, I see. I'd installed in terminal instead but I've started anyway
[05:11] <Busybyeski> Guest93547: built-in? where to find?
[05:11] <cfhowlett> mrbogus, go have coffee.  it'll be a while
[05:11] <hewhomust> Y2KVet: conky does it
[05:11] <mjoseph_> hey Beldar, just curious... if I have Grub2 already, then why did it download/install sumthin when I did apt-get install grub2?
[05:12] <mjoseph_> and apt-get install grub-pc
[05:12] <Guest93547> Busybyeski, It is part of the Windows system tools. I am unfamiliar with the terminology of the tool but, it can be found through standard windows desktop search. Try the word partition on the start menu search.
[05:13] <Beldar> mjoseph_, you started with 10.04, than told me 12.04, bothe have grub 2 as part of there install. To have grub legacy you would have to be using Jaunty. Your computer shows grub 2. T answer I would need more info really.
[05:13] <Y2KVet> hewhomust: Thanks!
[05:13] <Beldar> To*
[05:14] <digitaldefector> I want to buy a hd webcam (used). How can I tell before hand if it will work in Ubuntu
[05:14] <Beldar> mjoseph_, Jaunty or you installed grub legacy, or reverted to it.
[05:14] <cfhowlett> !hardware|digitaldefector, see the list
[05:14] <cfhowlett> !webcam
[05:14] <mjoseph_> Beldar, yeah I dunno why I said 10.04 before, sorry for the confusion.  I definitely did a fresh install of 12.04
[05:15] <mrbogus> cfhowlett, when I get disconnected from the during the 'Applying changes' state in Ubuntu Software Center, Would I start over again?
[05:15] <Beldar> mjoseph_, The grub in each later release generally is a later build, you can get all that in the grub ppa, I use it with no problems, however I know grub pretty well.
[05:15] <K`zan> Hi Folks, trying to get a second monitor where I want it, but it appears, using the nvidia control panel, that it wants to write to xorg.conf, but I don't have permissions to be able to do so.  Run it as root (sudo)?
[05:15] <mjoseph_> Oh, you know what I'm thinkin I did...  I think when I was on 13.04 I used Grub Customizer to tweak the appearance.  That's why it looks so crappy right now.
[05:16] <Beldar> heh, I see. ;)
[05:16] <cfhowlett> mrbogus, no.  if all downloads are completed, you might need to run a terminal command to complete the configurations though
[05:16] <Guest93547> How do I set up a virtual machine to bypass the vpn on the host machine it is running in so that all the host's traffic remains on tun1 and all of the virtual machine remains on wlan0/1?
[05:16] <mjoseph_> Ok, well thanks for the help.  Gonna go mess with stuff and try not to break nuttin.
[05:16] <K`zan> I really do not want to screw up X :-).
[05:16] <mrbogus> cfhowlett, what command?
[05:16] <cfhowlett> Guest93547, ask in #vbox
[05:17] <wizard_A> i already have a partitioned hard disk with 1Gb boot area , 16Gb swap, and rest the / dir. Now i want some space for ntfs patition to install win8. within the / dir i have some data. if i rerun the ubuntu server installation and create a ntfs partition from the end point of hdd, will my data be there ar will it be lost?
[05:17] <Beldar> mjoseph_, No prob, tweak it till you break it my motto.
[05:17] <Beldar> is*
[05:17] <K`zan> Interrupt, disregard, will be back later.
[05:17] <digitaldefector> cfhowlett, wow :) thank-you!
[05:17] <cfhowlett> mrbogus, sudo dpkg -i --configure I think.  Your system should display the correct one with error message
[05:18] <mrbogus> cfhowlett, Thank you. I'll check it out!
[05:25] <aleb> Hi, what other app can I use besides "sniff" to browse an app's UI elements?
[05:30] <tr3y> Okay... I tried to run the "WorkFlowy" app in Chromium and in the help section it tries to play a video. It appears broken and when I mouse over it, it says "This plug in only works on the desktop." It appears to be flash. Does anyone know of a wayt o make this play in chromium? and I do have the adobe flash plugin for chromium4
[05:35] <thumbee> anyone know why i get "E: Unable to locate package flume-ng" when i apt-get install flume-ng ? and yes ive tried "sudo apt-get update" already
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> !info flume-ng
[05:36] <thumbee> !info saucy
[05:36] <thumbee> !help saucy
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> thumbee: what does this package do exactly?
[05:37] <thumbee> its "apache flume". its used to download data such as from twitter
[05:37] <UserError> what are the actual minimum system requirements for ubuntu 14.04LTS, server, minimal, and desktop versions?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> thumbee: did you try software centre?
[05:37] <cfhowlett> !trusty|UserError,
[05:38] <thumbee> no. not too familiar with that that is. im a beginner :P
[05:39] <UserError> Ok fine, what are the system requirements for minimal, server, and desktop for ubuntu 13.10, the actual minimum.
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> thumbee: maybe take a look at the apacke flume's website (download  section)
[05:39] <BananaNipples> hey guys, can anyone help me out? im kind of new to ubuntu and i want to have gnome as my gui. i have ubuntu 13.10, how would i go about doing this?
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell | BananaNipples
[05:41] <ka> #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu-gnome | BananaNipples
[05:42] <thumbee> lotuspsychje: i tried downloading the flume bin.tar.gz and extracted it (tar -xzvf). i then found in the file "flume-ng" in folder: flume/bin/ .  if i run this "flume-ng".. is that the same as "apt-get install ..."?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> UserError: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[05:42] <ka> #xubuntu
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> thumbee: not sure mate, maybe the #httpd guys might set you on the right track with flume?
[05:44] <thumbee> hmm. but in general. if u download a package and find an executable file in it. is that in general the same as running the "apt-get install" ?
[05:44] <BananaNipples> but would i have to uninstall my ubuntu and reinstall the ubuntu gnome?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> !deb | thumbee
[05:44] <thumbee> if i cant make that generalization
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> BananaNipples: you can install gnome, lubuntu,xubuntu from your existing install, logout to unity and re-login to gnome
[05:45] <UserError> lotuspsychje, thank you but that wiki is horribly outdated.
[05:45] <reecey> What would be the best recommended way to go about partitioning a drive with win vista already installed? Im using a live usb drive currently and would like to install ubuntu however using the built in partitioner durring install is proving to be difficult for me to operate. I cant seem to "split" the existing partition that windows is on. Any suggestions?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> !info gparted | reecey
[05:46] <reecey> Oh wow, thanks a lot lotuspsychje
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> UserError: system requierments are very relative to your specific machine...
[05:47] <reecey> I can use apt-get to get gparted? or its installed already ?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> UserError: best way is to experience ubuntu on the spefici machine to see how it runs
[05:47] <UserError> Look at the edit times for those requirements. No edition they are talking about is currently supported.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> reecey: sudo apt-get install gparted
[05:47] <reecey> Thanks a lot lotuspsychje .
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> reecey: sudo gparted (after install)
[05:47] <reecey> I would just burn the existing drive and load a complete ubuntu install but i need windows for work.
[05:48] <reecey> ok. Thank you lotuspsychje
[05:51] <reecey> Any suggestions to pick up term commands? Like a good noob linux or ubuntu guide?
[05:52] <Seven_Six_Two> reecey, search online for gnu bash guide
[05:52] <cfhowlett> reecey, "linux command line" is a free download
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !bash | reecey
[05:53] <Seven_Six_Two> reecey http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/Bash-Beginners-Guide.pdf
[05:53] <reecey> awesome guys. Thanks a lot for the help.
[05:53] <reecey> I love the bot :
[05:54] <reecey> :)
[05:54] <K`zan> Done and back:
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> reecey: ubuntu will ens you w8 nightmare, welcome to a new experience
[05:54] <K`zan> I really do not want to screw up X :-).
[05:54] <K`zan> Hi Folks, trying to get a second monitor where I want it, but it appears, using the nvidia control panel, that it wants to write to xorg.conf, but I don't have permissions to be able to do so.  Run it as root (sudo)?
[05:55] <reecey> I agree lotuspsychje . Im already loving it.
[05:55] <reecey> Thanks:)
[05:55] <Seven_Six_Two> K`zan, you can apply some settings without saving.
[05:56] <unstable> Every reboot, my mouse settings change where the touch pad turns back on.
[05:57] <K`zan> Seven_Six_Two: I tried that but it still leaves the 19" monitor on the left with all the panels, etc. to the right of the main screen which is, other than the background image, blank.
[05:57] <unstable> but I want it to be turned off, so I only use the nub
[05:57] <unstable> How can I keep it off permanently?
[05:57] <unstable> even after reboot
[05:58] <Seven_Six_Two> K`zan, you made the other screen primary?
[05:58] <K`zan> Seven_Six_Two: Also doesn't seem to preserve the changes over a reboot.
[05:58] <unstable> nevermind, I found the fix. The bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpointing-device-settings/+bug/489830 ; The fix is to use dconf-editor directly
[05:58] <Seven_Six_Two> K`zan, that's right. you need to be able to write to xorg.conf
[05:59] <K`zan> Seven_Six_Two: No place, that I see to designate it as primary.
[05:59] <K`zan> Seven_Six_Two: OK, sudo it, I just didn't want to hose X :-), already backed up the original xorg.conf.
[05:59] <Busybyeski> how can i ssh into a vm? it doesn't show on the dhcp table in my router?
[06:01] <reecey> whats the trick to finding my network drives connected to windows pc on my network?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> !samba | reecey
[06:01] <Seven_Six_Two> in nvidia-settings, second option (X Server Display Configuration) select the monitor and then put a check in the box beside "Make this the primary monitor..."
[06:01] <reecey> lol, thanks again lotuspsychje
[06:02] <reecey> You guys rock in there.
[06:02] <reecey> *here
[06:04] <proteneer_> can ubuntu's terminal print unicode?
[06:07] <j3f0> hi :D
[06:12] <Ubuntu1> can I  encrypt after install without loosing or should I do backup and reinstall ?
[06:12] <rww> It's possible. It's difficult, and I don't think there are decent instructions for it on Ubuntu.
[06:12] <cfhowlett> !encrypt|Ubuntu1,
[06:12] <cfhowlett> Ubuntu1, you don't need to reinstall
[06:12] <changeguy> is there a way I can unzip a .7z file
[06:12] <rww> oh, I guess you could do per-directory encryption, if you think that's not silly
[06:12] <changeguy> through ubuntu
[06:13] <jordanm> changeguy: yes, install and use 7z
[06:13] <changeguy> apt-get install 7z?
[06:14] <jordanm> changeguy: p7zip is the package name, 7z is the command
[06:14] <jordanm> changeguy: apt-file search bin/7z in the future to find packages that contain a command
[06:14] <host> i want help
[06:14] <host> :(
[06:14] <cfhowlett> !ask|host
[06:16] <Ubuntu1> im using 12.04.3  ( for encryption) for those that posted .  whent so fast I could not read
[06:35] <ompal1> can anyone tell me advanced bash shell scripting videos link
[06:35] <jordanm> video?
[06:36] <jordanm> ompal1: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[06:48] <ompal1> jordanm: thanks man
[06:50] <jordanm> ompal1: np
[07:10] <obsidian> I'm thinking about trying out a new lightweight Window Manager. Any advice or recommendations as far as Xcfe & LXDE go? Also, is it easy to revert back to Unity if I choose?
[07:10] <cfhowlett> obsidian, it's easy to revert.
[07:11] <obsidian> Do you basically just install the environments from the software center, or ...?
[07:11] <systadmni> I like xcfe
[07:12] <cfhowlett> obsidian, apt-get intall lxde xfce4 will grab both of them.  then logout, switch DE and login
[07:12] <obsidian> Awesome .. ok, is "switch DE" something that will automatically appear when I boot up?
[07:13] <cfhowlett> obsidian, when you logout, click on the ubuntu gear icon for your login options
[07:14] <obsidian> cfhowlett, thanks. I'm gonna give this a shot, be right back ..
[07:15] <obsidian> Just to confirm, :~$ sudo apt-get install lxde && sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:15] <obsidian> ?
[07:15] <cfhowlett> obsidian, you can do it with one: sudo apt-get install lxde xfce4
[07:16] <obsidian> Ok, great! I'm gonna give it try.. be right back!
[07:16] <obsidian> Btw thanks, cfhowlett!
[07:16] <cfhowlett> :0
[07:26] <Al3xG0> I have a quite advantageous hardware-500gb ssd 32gb memory i7..  I want to know this swap partition works on my hardware? or is there something more innovative
[07:27] <cfhowlett> !swap|Al3xG0,
[07:29] <obsidian> Ok. Using Xfce - it's ridiculously fast, but ridiculously similar to MS Windows
[07:29] <obsidian> even the icons ::puke::
[07:29] <obsidian> gonna try LXDE
[07:29] <obsidian> Btw thanks again cfhowlett
[07:29] <obsidian> Brb
[07:34] <Nothing_Much> Is there any way to speed up Unity on a Radeon Xpress 200? Ubuntu 13.10 with Unity interface
[07:35] <cfhowlett> Nothing_Much, more ram?
[07:35] <Nothing_Much> cfhowlett: I have 2GB :(
[07:35] <Nothing_Much> DDR2
[07:36] <obsidian> Ok. Tried them all (including GNOME flashback, Metacity)
[07:36] <cfhowlett> Nothing_Much, unity is a resource hog.  2 gigs is pretty small considering the workload.  perhaps try lxde or xfce4 desktop environments?
[07:36] <obsidian> I think I like Unity.
[07:36] <cfhowlett> obsidian, choice is good
[07:37] <Nothing_Much> cfhowlett: Aw man, I love Unity
[07:37] <Nothing_Much> It's up there with Gnome 3, can't get enough of them
[07:37] <obsidian> cfhowlett- yeah think I Unity the best of them all
[07:37] <cfhowlett> Nothing_Much, then ram upgrade ...
[07:37] <Nothing_Much> I honestly was getting sick of XFCE
[07:37] <obsidian> think I like Unity*
[07:37] <Nothing_Much> oh man
[07:38] <Nothing_Much> I hope the max for this motherboard isn't 2gb..
[07:38] <obsidian> Nothing_Much- XFCE was alright but it looked suspiciously like Windows
[07:38] <jackyalcine> KDE looks great
[07:38] <jackyalcine> D:
[07:38] <obsidian> I just tried it along with LXDE
[07:38] <Nothing_Much> obsidian: It's pretty much everything that hippie- Let's take it to #ubuntu-offtopic guys
[07:39] <Nothing_Much> But yeah, I've been havin' nothin' but problems recently
[07:39] <obsidian> With Unity?
[07:39] <obsidian> or KDE?
[07:39] <Nothing_Much> Was hoping to see if someone could get compiz to be as lightweight as possible
[07:39] <Nothing_Much> obsidian: Nah, just in general, Unity was the last of my problems
[07:39] <Nothing_Much> Sorta
[07:39] <Nothing_Much> I had to reinstall since the top right corner of the applets weren't showing up
[07:40] <Nothing_Much> No matter how many times I would --purge and then reinstall :/
[07:40] <obsidian> Nothing_Much: I see.
[07:40] <Nothing_Much> So yeah, whatever you do, don't remove all of the X/L/Kubuntu stuff without doing research first
[07:40] <obsidian> Sounds like a problem with the way X is drawing your windows?
[07:40] <Nothing_Much> Because right after I got rid of Xubuntu's stuff and xfce stuff, the applets and global menu wouldn't work
[07:40] <cfhowlett> agreed ^^^
[07:41] <Nothing_Much> Nope, nothin' wrong with Xorg
[07:41] <msgol> damdidam! :) HI
[07:41] <obsidian> cfhowlett, Nothing_Much; what's the safest way to remove the DE's I just installed?
[07:42] <Nothing_Much> Hang on, Beldar linked me something a while ago
[07:42] <Nothing_Much> But I can't find it
[07:42] <obsidian> Or, is there no 'safe' way?
[07:42] <cfhowlett> obsidian, very carefully - sudo apt-get remove xfce4 --purge
[07:42] <Nothing_Much> It's not only that
[07:42] <obsidian> Ok .. ?
[07:42] <Nothing_Much> I wanted all the junk from XFCE off
[07:42] <Nothing_Much> Yeah
[07:42] <obsidian> Ok
[07:43] <obsidian> Let me switch back to Unity first .. brb
[07:45] <obsidian> What was that command again? :~$ sudo apt-get purge* xfce4
[07:45] <obsidian> ?
[07:45] <cfhowlett> obsidian, sudo apt-get remove xfce4 --purge
[07:46] <obsidian> cfhowlett- thanks
[07:48] <FreewheelinFrank>  I can't find a Citrix client to run off Ubuntu 13.10. Anyone have a suggestion?
[07:48] <cfhowlett> !citrix
[07:51] <obsidian> Here's a question for you guys: do you know (off the top of your head) how to change the resolution of the login screen?
[07:51] <msgol> yup you need to edit /etc/default/grub
[07:51] <obsidian> Ok.. ?
[07:51] <msgol> there is a value there under 1 sec
[07:51] <obsidian> ~$ sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[07:52] <msgol> grub_gfxmode
[07:52] <msgol>  set it to what your pc can support
[07:52] <obsidian> grub_gfxmode
[07:52] <obsidian> don't see it
[07:53] <msgol> hmm..
[07:53] <obsidian> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[07:53] <obsidian> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10
[07:53] <obsidian> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=0
[07:53] <obsidian> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[07:53] <obsidian> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
[07:53] <obsidian> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[07:53] <cfhowlett> !paste|obsidian,
[07:53] <obsidian> everything else is commented out
[07:53] <msgol> it should be commented
[07:54] <obsidian> msgol, ok let me have another look...
[07:54] <obsidian> cfhowlett, what do you mean !paste|obsidian
[07:54] <obsidian> ?
[07:55] <greeter> obsidian: read what ubottu said after he issued that command
[07:55] <msgol> be carefull as you can mess your grub and that will take you thru liveboot chroot and ... to fix it
[07:56] <msgol> when you are finished editing that file you should also do update-grub2 or grub
[07:57] <msgol> brb
[07:57] <obsidian> msgol, thnks but still not finding the GRUB_GFXMODE
[07:58] <obsidian> Ok, I went to http://paste.ubuntu.com now what?
[07:58] <obsidian> I pasted the code and it spit back each line ..
[07:58] <obsidian> Sorry guys I'm a little new at this but I'm a quick learner
[07:58] <VKB> obsidian: You're supposed to give us the link it gives you so we can see what you're getting
[07:59] <obsidian> Ahhh ...gotcha
[07:59] <obsidian> Here it is
[07:59] <obsidian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6895659/plain/
[07:59] <obsidian> These are the contents of my /etc/defaults/grub file
[08:00] <obsidian> No GRUB_GFXMODE
[08:00] <Gallomimia> hi. i'm just setting up empathy, and i'm noticing that the account settings are all in system settings...? how safe is that?
[08:01] <FreewheelinFrank> Still can't get Citrix installed
[08:01] <obsidian> Correction. Those are NOT the entire contents of my /etc/defaults/grub file rather just what I copied and pasted. Let me re-paste the *entire* contents (shouldn't be much) but unless I'm mistaken there's not GRUB_GFXMODE
[08:01] <obsidian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6895674/plain/
[08:01] <obsidian> There we are. The entire contents.
[08:01] <obsidian> Above^^
[08:02] <obsidian> Gallomimia, FreewheelinFrank, wish I could help. I'm just trying to get my login screen resolution setup.
[08:03] <psingh> Gallomimia, the accounts that you add there are unique to your login id.  A different user on your machine, with a different user id will have to setup his/her own accounts.
[08:03] <Gallomimia> and will other programs be able to read that information?
[08:03] <FreewheelinFrank> obsidian: not sure if can help
[08:03] <Gallomimia> i guess they likely would be able to anyway unless i use apparmor or something similar?
[08:04] <MikeJonn> Hey guys. Is it possible to associate another parent process to a running child-process?
[08:04] <obsidian> FreewheelinFrank: no biggie - just wondered if anyone knew off the top of their head how to change the login screen resolution
[08:04] <FreewheelinFrank> psingh: is it possible to access another users folder and prompted for password?
[08:05] <psingh> Gallomimia, you get to chose which applications can interact with those accounts from the Online Accounts dialog.  If you grant access, those applications will be able to use that account.
[08:06] <psingh> FreewheelinFrank, are you trying to restrict access to another user's home folder?
[08:07] <msgol> back, if its not there please write it at the end.
[08:07] <msgol> like GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 or any other which is suported
[08:10] <obsidian> msgol- supported modes .. ok, assuming the current resolution I use when I'm logged in is "supported" I just add this line of code GRUB_GFXMODE=MYxDESIREDxRESOLUTION and then :~$ sudo update-grub?
[08:11] <msgol> yes but
[08:11] <msgol> the supported resoution for that is a diffrent ball game
[08:11] <msgol> it bios something let me look that up
[08:12] <obsidian> Ok.
[08:12] <obsidian> Thanks btw.
[08:14] <msgol> np. go for apt-get install hwinfo
[08:14] <msgol> use sudo
[08:14] <msgol> then hwinfo --framebuffer
[08:14] <xar-> what package is pfHandle located in?
[08:16] <obsidian> Alright. When I try to install 'hwinfo' I get this error
[08:16] <obsidian> Package hwinfo is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source.
[08:17] <msgol> k give me a sec there was another way
[08:18] <obsidian> I wouldn't say I'm savvy with the grub> prompt but I know how to access it, mount the kernel, and a few other basic commands
[08:22] <msgol> i was looking around there is no way around hwinfo it seems
[08:22] <obsidian> No biggie!
[08:23] <msgol> just go with the resoloution you want. it most likely iqnore your settings if its not supported.
[08:23] <obsidian> Thanks for looking. I just added GRUB_GFXMODE=3200x768
[08:23] <obsidian> Gonna restart and cross my fingers
[08:23] <msgol> i dont think thats supported
[08:23] <obsidian> Otherwise it's no biggie
[08:23] <obsidian> Ooops
[08:24] <msgol> what most hardwares only support 4:3
[08:24] <obsidian> msgol: I mean GRUB_GFXMODE=1300x768
[08:24] <msgol> go for 1280*800
[08:24] <msgol> if your monitor supports it
[08:25] <obsidian> 1280=960 is the closest 4:3 option
[08:25] <obsidian> I'll give [that] a try, reboot, and cross my fingers ..
[08:25] <msgol> best of luck!
[08:25] <obsidian> thanks!!
[08:26] <msgol> cheers!
[08:27] <obsidian> no luck...
[08:28] <obsidian> trying 1280x800
[08:29] <akurilin2> Quick question: say I have multiple versions of a command-line tool, how do I have the one under ~ supercede the global one under /usr/bin or something like tthat?
[08:29] <akurilin2> I tried to add the path to my local bashrc but that seems to be superceded
[08:29] <akurilin2> by the global tool
[08:30] <obsidian> Neither worked. Darn. Oh well ..
[08:30] <msgol> oh i found something new obsidian
[08:30] <obsidian> ...?
[08:30] <msgol> in the grub command. when you press C on grub enter vbeinfo
[08:30] <msgol> it gives you supported table
[08:30] <msgol> did you do update-grub2 after editing bTW
[08:31] <obsidian> no
[08:31] <obsidian> What is grub2?
[08:31] <msgol> both the same
[08:31] <obsidian> hmm
[08:31] <obsidian> so then ..
[08:31] <obsidian> user@localhost:~$ sudo update-grub2
[08:31] <obsidian> ?
[08:31] <msgol> yup
[08:31] <obsidian> ok
[08:31] <obsidian> Thanks.. will give it a shot
[08:32] <msgol> cheers ! k!
[08:32] <obsidian> brb
[08:33] <jackbrown> Does anyone knows how to launch an HTTP link on a remote pc through a working ssh access ?
[08:33] <msgol> the noob way (myway) whould be using elinks on ssh
[08:42] <obsidian> Ok, so here's the verdict: I typed "vbeinfo" into the grub> prompt and it didn't seem to recognize the command. There was, however, a similar command "videoinfo" that displayed a list of resolutions. I updated my /etc/default/grub file to reflect one of the "supported" resolutions per "videoinfo" (in GRUB) and then updated GRUB (sudo update-grub2) and here's what happened: the GRUB menu resolution definitely changed. Thank you! But
[08:42] <obsidian> the Ubuntu splash/loader and the login screen resolution is still huge which makes the Ubuntu logo and login text box extremely small. I wonder if there's a special Display Manager setting that will allow me to change the login resolution?
[08:42] <msgol> ahh you are on a good step
[08:43] <msgol> there was something about keep for tty to stay in that ress too 1 sec while i look it up
[08:43] <obsidian> Ok, thanks!
[08:43] <nikolam> how do I know what BTRFS subvolume is selected for boot, when both 'btrfs subvolume list /' and 'btrfs subvolume get-default' have exactly same output (12.10)
[08:45] <nikolam> Instead of making BTRFS snapshot, I made a subvolume. Does it include everything what current used subvolume had in it?
[08:47] <msgol> no problem, you need to add this to your grub file. its GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
[08:48] <obsidian> msgol does it matter whether I edit it above or below the GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600 ?
[08:48] <msgol> i have mine under GFXMODE
[08:48] <nikolam> If I do 'btrfs subvolume set-default' how does boot loader knows what BTRFS subvolume to boot? or is it BTRFS itself on-disk that knows what subvolume is active and mounted on boot?
[08:48] <obsidian> msgol roger that. I'll give it a try ..
[08:48] <msgol> good luck!
[08:51] <obsidian> msgol, alright per your instructions, here's how my GRUB file looks :
[08:52] <obsidian> paste.ubuntu.com/6895862/plain/
[08:52] <obsidian> Cross your fingers for me? ..brb
[08:52] <fibz_> how do i find out what my IP address is when i am offline in xubuntu?
[08:52] <B1nzy> I have a rather complex problem that needs solving, namely I've managed to corrupt the /etc/passwd file on a remote machine. I still have IPMI access, however I cant mount iso's or the likes, so is there a way I can boot into a vanilla recovery and fix it?
[08:53] <B1nzy> If I just boot into normal recovery shell, it fails, because /etc/passwd is corrupted
[08:53] <fibz_> try opcrack
[08:53] <msgol_> yup all good!
[08:53] <obsidian> no luck :-(
[08:54] <hitsujiTMO> fibz_: what exactly do you mean by "offline"? ifconfig
[08:54] <msgol_> damn
[08:54] <msgol_> final try read this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2087827
[08:54]  * fibz_ facepalms
[08:55] <msgol_> post of  Anaximander Thales
[08:55] <obsidian> Is there something wrong with my GRUB file?
[08:55] <obsidian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6895877/plain/
[08:55] <hitsujiTMO> B1nzy: fix it from a live cd. also, don't nanually edit /etc/passwd    use the provided tools to safely manipulate it
[08:55] <msgol_> your grub file is ok
[08:55] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: Well yes I know that now
[08:56] <msgol_> did you update every time.
[08:56] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: issue is it's a remote box, so I can't just boot from a live cd
[08:56] <msgol_> and mine works like that
[08:56] <hitsujiTMO> B1nzy: is it managed by a provider?
[08:56] <obsidian> Yeah
[08:56] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: No
[08:56] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: hosted, but not managed
[08:57] <obsidian> Oh well. No big deal
[08:57] <obsidian> Thanks for all your help
[08:57] <obsidian> I gotta get some sleep
[08:57] <obsidian> I'll try again in the morning
[08:57] <msgol_> cheers!
[08:57] <hitsujiTMO> B1nzy: ok, you should have some sort of recovery iso to load from your control panel?
[08:57] <Guest96010> exit
[08:57] <Guest96010> quit
[08:57] <obsidian> g'nite!
[08:57] <msgol_> all the ebst of luck for you
[08:57] <msgol_> gnight
[08:57] <obsidian> msgol .. appreciate it
[08:57] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: Nope, sadly IPMI won't let me load or mount ISOs on 64bit Java
[08:57] <B1nzy> Or really at all on nix
[08:58] <B1nzy> Worst case I can find a windows machine and try IPMI w/ remote mount on that
[08:58] <xdotcommer> how do i delay x from starting on bootup in 14.04 server?
[08:58] <B1nzy> I was just hoping someone knows a way I can boot the linux vm without loading all the files/etc
[08:59] <hitsujiTMO> !trusty | xdotcommer
[09:00] <xdotcommer> lal
[09:00] <xdotcommer> ok
[09:00] <xdotcommer> thanks
[09:00] <babinlonston> squid blocking websites after 1GB Download in eth1, any one help me pls
[09:00] <hitsujiTMO> B1nzy: if you can get access togrub you can break the options to get dropped to busybox
[09:00] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: Do you have a tutorial or docs on that?
[09:00] <B1nzy> Basically what I need
[09:02] <hitsujiTMO> B1nzy: look here under the rescue shell bit for the break=something param, https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug
[09:20] <Gallomimia> thank you for the informative answer psingh
[09:27] <anonymous__> hi
[09:28] <B1nzy> hitsujiTMO: Thanks man
[09:28] <B1nzy> I figured it out eventually
[09:28] <B1nzy> Had a weird leading byte in the file, used sed to cut it out
[09:28]  * B1nzy tips hat to hitsujiTMO
[09:32] <justaguy> So, I have ubuntu 13.10 now but i prefer to reinstall and get  12.04 LTS, is there any way that i can just keep all files in /home/justaguy/ during the reinstall?
[09:32] <guest-uOGZXj> hello
[09:32] <justaguy> (a backup is possible too ofcourse, but reinstalling it without needing to transfer all my file backs would be sweet
[09:33] <Gallomimia> i don't believe downgrades are possible or supported with ease
[09:33] <bekks> Not having a backup means that you dont need to keep the files because the are not important.
[09:33] <Gallomimia> so, backups are probably best
[09:33] <hewhomust> justaguy its only possible if you installed a separate home partition
[09:33] <bekks> Have a backup.
[09:33] <Gallomimia> what bekks said
[09:33] <Gallomimia> which reminds me. i'd better make a backup soon
[09:33] <Snikt> Hi everybody. I'm a long time ubuntu user (50+ machines) but today one thing started to bug me so much I had to come and ask. Is there any keyboard shortcut to do same as apple+arrows do on mac? I mean if I have for example 20 terminal windows open and I want to switch to next or previous window on the same group
[09:34] <Seveas> Gallomimia: correct. It's possible but veryumuch nontrivial. I dare say I know my way around Ubuntu and it took me half a day to do a downgrade :)
[09:34] <Snikt> I know alt+§ or alt+' whatever its called but its way too clumsy
[09:35] <Gallomimia> i'd be interested in picking your brain then seveas cause i have had a lot of broken packages. apt-get doesn't seem to work properly anymore. most notable was wine1.6 and samba4 breaking and being unable to uninstall properly
[09:35] <gordonjcp> Snikt: alt-tab
[09:35] <Snikt> gordonjcp, it switches between windows
[09:35] <Gallomimia> but since i'm going to be reinstalling 13.10 anyway in the next few days on a new raid.... i'm not overly concerned
[09:35] <gordonjcp> Snikt: okay, then I don't understand the question
[09:36] <Snikt> and alt+§ between windows in a group
[09:36] <Seveas> Gallomimia: start with this: dpkg --configure -a ; apt-get -f install
[09:36] <Seveas> Gallomimia: that should at least tell you if apt is happy
[09:36] <Snikt> but I seriously need a quickkeys to navigate fast between windows on same group
[09:36] <gordonjcp> Snikt: what do you mean "in a group"?
[09:36] <Snikt> gordonjcp, if I have opened chrome, thunderbird and 3 console windows, all those 3 console windows are in same group
[09:37] <gordonjcp> Snikt: oh, alt-tab to the terminal and hold alt for half a second
[09:37] <Gallomimia> seveas no errors... seems alright for now then. i still get errors about broken packages and things held back when actually installing st uff
[09:37] <gordonjcp> it'll expand vertically and you can tab between terminals
[09:37] <varunendra> Snikt, what is the problem with alt+` ?
[09:37] <Snikt> yes but its superslow. even alt+§ is faster (its same as alt+tab but only grouped windows)
[09:38] <gordonjcp> varunendra: true
[09:38] <Seveas> Gallomimia: 'held back' means you need to do a dist-upgrade
[09:38] <Snikt> varunendra, its slowness. I dont need a themed switcher but simple quickkeys that I can use to switch to next and previous windows in a group
[09:38] <Seveas> Gallomimia: and pastebin an actual error when it happens, makes troubleshooting easier :)
[09:38] <Snikt> its not very useful when you have 20+ terminal windows open and they all look just same
[09:39] <Gallomimia> i should also mention i have kernel 3.12 installed and have yet to determine how and when apt-get will tell me if there's new ones
[09:39] <Snikt> I need something like ctrl-alt-arrow is for desktop. but just for windows
[09:39] <Seveas> Snikt: imagine life with 50 terminator windows, almost all of them split in mutliple shells. I spend 5-10 minutes a day just closing terminals when I go home after work :)
[09:39] <Ben64> Gallomimia: how did you install 3.12
[09:39] <Gallomimia> snikt yeah i have that problem myself. i'm considering finding a way to name some of the terminals for various purposes
[09:40] <Gallomimia> ben64 i grabbed the .deb's from kernel.ubuntu.com
[09:40] <Snikt> Seveas, yea.  That at least integrates a bit better with the normal update process
[09:40] <Ben64> Gallomimia: using that stops you from getting any kernel updates and any support in this channel
[09:41] <Snikt> Gallomimia, yea I named them earlier sometimes but its bad solution for real problem
[09:41] <Seveas> Ben64: don't be a sourpuss, he's using things provided by ubuntu devs...
[09:42] <Gallomimia> it was actually recommended to me from this channel. tho there was mention of it being unsupported
[09:42] <Ben64> it's not being a "sourpuss", it is not supported in this channel
[09:42] <Gallomimia> i'd be interested in finding a ppa for it. the reason was for better amd gpu support
[09:42] <Seveas> Gallomimia: "supported" is a loaded word. I don't think canonical offers support for them, and support in here is whatever people want to give you. Clearly Ben64 doesn't want to provide any, but I'm game.
[09:42] <varunendra> Snikt, have you tried Scale effect of Compiz with hot corners?
[09:43] <Gallomimia> well, i'd best head to bed anyway.....
[09:43] <Ben64> Seveas: thats nice, but you should find another channel, non-official packages are not on topic here
[09:43] <Guest37377> Since upgrading to Ubuntu Saucy my Terminal no longer has transparency.  Is there a way to restore that transparency?
[09:44] <varunendra> Snikt, I just move my pointer to upper right corner to arrange ALL open windows (on that workspace) and click on the one I want. Can't imaging anything easier and faster than that.
[09:44] <Gallomimia> one last question about a cp -R operation i have running right now. it seems to have choked on a korean file name from some korean language support in.... something... is that normal? i'll need to copy it manually later i guess
[09:44] <Seveas> Gallomimia: "choked" how?
[09:44] <Snikt> varunendra, that is probably pretty decent way to do it. I myself try to use mouse as less as possible because it slows down pretty much
[09:45] <Gallomimia> i dunno. it spat out an error message: cp: cannot stat '$filename' no such file or directory
[09:45] <Snikt> goddamn. I found proper settings from compizmanager
[09:45] <Seveas> then the file is not there anymore, might have been temporary :)
[09:45] <Gallomimia> there's at least 3 korean characters in the name
[09:45] <Ben64> Gallomimia: yeah, that happens with strange characters sometimes
[09:45] <Seveas> are you making a backup?
[09:45] <Snikt> just have to change window switcher into ring switcher
[09:45] <Seveas> if so, don't use cp, rsync is your friend :)
[09:45] <Gallomimia> i'm copying files from drive X to drive Y so i can erase drive X
[09:46] <Seveas> yeah, rsync is still your friend for that
[09:46] <Gallomimia> i think rsync is better yes, but i'm not very good with it
[09:46] <Seveas> if only because it does resuming a lot better
[09:46] <Seveas> rsync -av /path/to/src/ /path/to/dst/
[09:47] <Gallomimia> hm. you're right preserving uid's would probably be better in this case
[09:48] <Gallomimia> ah me likey -v
[09:48] <Seveas> you may like -n as well :)
[09:49] <bekks> And --progress :)
[09:49] <Gallomimia> both of these disks are normally used with my mac actually. different uid's
[09:49] <Seveas> boo, mac
[09:50] <Gallomimia> agreed. i'll be ditching mac osx soon.
[09:52] <Snikt> nevermind. ring selecter was awful
[09:53] <Orien> hi, what's the current status of 10.04 LTS, should we expect security updates?
[09:53] <Gallomimia> for server?
[09:53] <Orien> server
[09:54] <Gallomimia> yes
[09:54] <bekks> Orien: Supported for servers until 2015.
[09:54] <Orien> I ask because http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2013/CVE-2013-6393.html
[09:54] <Gallomimia> runs out of support next april. not this april
[09:54] <Guest37377> Hi is there a way to restore Transparency to Gnome Terminal after Ubuntu 13.10 upgrade/
[09:54] <bekks> Orien: That fix is included for a long time.
[09:54] <Guest37377> ?
[09:56] <Orien> bekks: so an up-to-date 10.04 shouldn't be vulnerable right?
[09:56] <Orien> bekks: (server)
[09:56] <Gallomimia> Guest37377: the transparency in terminal is under profiles > background
[09:57] <Gallomimia> right click your terminal and select profiles
[09:57] <Gallomimia> (not sure if this is the same as it was in 13.04)
[09:57] <Seveas> Orien:according to that page, 10.04 LTS did not receive a security update for that CVE
[09:58] <Seveas> Orien: so I guess that package was marked as 'desktop' and only received 3 years support
[09:58] <Seveas> Orien: to find per package support: apt-cache show packagename_goes_here | grep Supported
[09:58] <Orien> cheers Seveas
[09:59] <Guest37377> Yes I''ve checked there its been removed since I upgraded to 13.10
[09:59] <Guest37377> I've been seeing this online on the websites
[09:59] <Gallomimia> odd that. i'm on 13.10 and it's there for me
[09:59] <Guest37377> really?
[09:59] <Guest37377> hmmm
[09:59] <Gallomimia> yup. just checked before answering
[10:00] <Guest37377> I've got it with Guake just not with Saucy Gnome version
[10:00] <Gallomimia> oh. perhaps i'm not running gnome
[10:00] <Gallomimia> that must be what's different yes
[10:00] <Guest37377> right its gnome terminal
[10:00] <Guest37377> not unity
[10:01] <Orien> Seveas 'Supported: 5y'
[10:01] <Gallomimia> anyone know any good programs for finding duplicate files on a disk?
[10:01] <Orien> on package libyaml-0-2
[10:01] <Gallomimia> looks like i have a whole bunch of dirs duplicated in different areas on this volume i'm rsync'ing
[10:01] <nightfly> Gallomimia: fslink
[10:01] <Seveas> Orien: hmm, odd, that CVE page says the package was not updated due to end-of-life. Maybe file a bug?
[10:01] <nightfly> *fslint
[10:01] <Orien> Seveas strange not to get an update
[10:02] <LeMike1> Pardon this, but I don't get the right Keywords for it. I want to have a terminal appearing every morning/workday at 9:00 in my gnome shell executing one shell script I wrote. How do I do that?
[10:02] <Orien> Seveas could you point me in the appropriate direction?
[10:02] <Seveas> Gallomimia: fdupes
[10:03] <Gallomimia> nightfly: not finding such a program with google
[10:03] <Seveas> Orien: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:03] <Orien> thanks for your help Seveas, I'll get on that
[10:04] <Seveas> Gallomimia: also rdfind or duff (found with apt-cachesearch duplicate)
[10:04] <Gallomimia> what's the difference?
[10:04] <Gallomimia> the files in question, some are named exactly the same but i'd also like to do real file comparisons by size and so on
[10:04] <Seveas> dunno, I never used either :)
[10:04] <Gallomimia> reading the man for fdupes it looks like what i want
[10:05] <Seveas> I need to do so soon to consolidate a bunch of backups
[10:05] <Gallomimia> i've got a lot of data files. media, videos and stuff
[10:05] <Gallomimia> drastically disorganized :(
[10:05] <Gallomimia> this should help thanks
[10:05] <Seveas> I know the feeling :)
[10:06] <Seveas> I have backup inception: get new machine, back up onld machine onto it. Lather rinse repeat.
[10:06] <Gallomimia> i'm clearing the data from 2 2tb drives to join a third in raid5. bit of a job :/
[10:06] <Seveas> I think I was at 6 levels deep
[10:07] <LeMike1> is there any way having a crontab run an application on the current xserver like LibreOffice or open the terminal ?
[10:08] <Gallomimia> seveas i had so many extra hd's laying about that i didn't bother to buy any drives with this system
[10:08] <Gallomimia> tho i've since picked up a pair of SSD's for it. planning to use dm-cache for those tho
[10:09] <Seveas> LeMike1: try setting DISPLAY to the correct value in the crontab
[10:09] <Seveas> LeMike1: doesn't work for all applications though
[10:10] <LeMike1> oh okay. so prefix "env DISPLAY=:0" simple ^^ I guess I need some coffee
[10:12] <bekks> Seveas: It works for no application.
[10:12] <bekks> Seveas: The environment of jobs run by cron is not preserved at all, since they dont have an environment by default.
[10:13] <Gallomimia> cron jobs. the terribly difficult mess in my life
[10:13] <Gallomimia> i've been trying to write some cron jobs that pull code repos of choice to a local disk
[10:14] <Seveas> bekks: you don't know what you're talking about.
[10:14] <bekks> Seveas: I do know. Thank you.
[10:14] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: why does that need access to the xserver?
[10:14] <Gallomimia> it doesn't. but i still can't get it to run
[10:15] <Gallomimia> i've gotten a grand total of zero scripts to run properly under cron
[10:15] <Seveas> In the crontab you can define environment variables for cronjobs. Either the way LeMike1 said or by simply setting them. Setting $DISPLAY makes some X applications work, you may also need variables like the DBUS session address if your application uses that
[10:15] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: what type scm?
[10:15] <Seveas> but something as simple as loopy (from sgt-puzzles) pops up without a hitch
[10:15] <bekks> Seveas: You can define the environment for _cron jobs_ - and that environemnt is not preserved for anything else. Thats exactly what I said.
[10:16] <Gallomimia> usually they're git. important repos of note. you know... stuff like ogre, bitcoin...
[10:16] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: some things to know about cron, it has no environment, so no $PATH.  You set an environment for the cronjob, that's all that's needed.
[10:16] <Gallomimia> things with the hash bang of /bin/bash ?
[10:16] <Seveas> Seriously, try it, it works.
[10:16] <Seveas> DISPLAY=:0
[10:17] <Seveas> * * * * * /usr/games/loopy
[10:17] <Seveas> wait at most 1 minute, loopy pops up
[10:17] <bekks> Seveas: I never denied it will not work for cron jobs, I said it will not work to set an environment in cron whic is used by non-cron then.  We're talking about running X applications with cron jobs. I explained how to make that work, you said it won't work. But it does.
[10:18] <Gallomimia> geek fights at 0218 on a friday night :) fun times
[10:18] <bekks> Seveas: ignore set.  You might learn something :)
[10:19] <bekks> If you need to call people names, better take a break and go for a walk.
[10:19] <Gallomimia> walk? nowai. i'm going to bed
[10:19] <Seveas> Gallomimia: 'night
[10:19] <Gallomimia> 2tb copying over usb3. that'll be done in the morning right?
[10:20] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: it should yes
[10:20] <Gallomimia> grand. g'night all. thanks for the wisdom
[10:21] <Seveas> hitsujiTMO: maybe not if the disk itself is slow? Too lazy to figure it out :)
[10:23] <hitsujiTMO> Seveas: ofc, but probability in that is in Gallomimia's favour
[10:24] <Seveas> and in 10 minutes time his computer goes into standby mode >:)
[10:34] <iras> hi
[10:34] <iras> maybe this is bug but eventually not and you may help me :)
[10:35] <knightshade> hi
[10:35] <iras> i'm running linux mint 16 (based on ubuntu 13.10)
[10:35] <hitsujiTMO> !mint | iras
[10:36] <iras> the problem is much deeper than the changes made from mint. it is kernel related
[10:36] <hitsujiTMO> iras: mint is not supported here at all. We know nothing of mint so we cannot help
[10:37] <hitsujiTMO> iras: if you believe its a general kernel issue then maybe ask for help in ##linux
[10:41] <impaktor_> how do I force apt-get to remove a package. I have a broken package, and apt-get keeps telling be to do a "-f install", but I'm out of inodes, so if always fails.
[10:42] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: remove it with dpkg
[10:42] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: altho, if you're out of inodes, i'd address that issue first
[10:42] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: dpkg won't start since I have a broken package.
[10:43] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: I don't see any obvious reason why I'm out. I have a lot of linux-headers-generic-pae packages though.
[10:43] <LeMike1> MEH. gnome-terminal as run from crontab wants me to enter the id_rsa keyword. can't I avoid this?
[10:44] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: are you running a mail server?
[10:44] <impaktor_> nope
[10:44] <impaktor_> it's pretty vanilla install.
[10:45] <bekks> free up space, then run apt-get -f install.
[10:45] <impaktor_> bekks: Problem is: it's the root space that needs freeing, so I need to find something in / to remove... like old packages or something.
[10:46] <bekks> sudo apt-get clean
[10:46] <Ben64> how did you manage to get 4,000,000,000 files in /
[10:47] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: can you pastebin the output of: df -h && df -i
[10:47] <bekks> you dont have that much inodes.
[10:48] <impaktor_> df -h tells me I have 2 GB left on "/" 79%, df -i tells me I'm using 99% of "/"
[10:48] <Tom1> is it necessary to install updates after installing ubuntu os?
[10:48] <bekks> impaktor_: run sudo du -shx /* please and pastebin it.
[10:49] <bekks> Tom1: If you want to.
[10:49] <hitsujiTMO> gief http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/?id=333dc83d now kkthnxbye
[10:49] <Tom1> bekks:is it really needed?
[10:49] <Dreaman> http://s18.postimg.org/qp9rqnx7t/2014_02_08_12_48_13.png
[10:49] <bekks> Tom1: If you want to get updates, yes.
[10:50] <Tom1> bekks: i mean i don;t want any updates, are updates really crirtical for system stability, like if i don;t install updates will my ubuntu os crash and won;t start?
[10:51] <hitsujiTMO> Tom1: the updates fix bugs and security issues
[10:51] <bekks> Tom1: yes they are vital.
[10:51] <bekks> Tom1: you want updates, in every use case.
[10:52] <Tom1> but in linux mint , i don;t do updates regularly and it still works, no problem
[10:53] <Tom1> and linux mint is based on ubuntu.
[10:53] <Ben64> "works" isn't the same as "no bugs" or "secure"
[10:53] <bekks> Then you are a very good target ror crackers.
[10:54] <bekks> Tom1: Its like running an unpatched XP on the internet. Pointless, insecure, just dont do it.
[10:54] <impaktor_> Is linux-header-generic-pae needed for anything? I only have 4 GB ram, so I don't see why it's installed.
[10:55] <Tom1> bekks: i agree, ur correct, but i am opposing updates, because they make my ubuntu installation very sluggish and slow.
[10:55] <Ben64> Tom1: that is simply not true
[10:55] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: thats you kernel
[10:55] <home-horim> hello, i want to transfer files from my galaxy 3 for backup purposes. what should i do? do i need a synchronization software for that? please help me determine what should i do for smart backuping
[10:56] <bekks> Tom1: Updates dont make a system slow - maybe on Mint, but not on Ubuntu.
[10:57] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: As I understand it that package is for managing large memory. I see i have it evreywhere in my /usr/src/linux-header
[10:57] <Ben64> impaktor_: please don't start going around deleting random things, thats a great way to break your system even more
[10:57] <bekks> impaktor_: PAE is needed to use > 4GB RAM on 32bit OS.
[10:57] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: no, it the kernel itself
[10:58] <bekks> impaktor_: /usr/src/linux-header contains the headers for the running kernel.
[10:58] <Tom1> bekks: is my hardware sufficient for ubuntu? 4 gb ddr3 ram, intel quad core cpu, 1 tb seagate hdd. is it ok?
[10:58] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: you simply have a kernel that has pae support
[10:58] <Ben64> Tom1: yes
[10:58] <Sysi> impaktor_: default kernel is nowdays pae, there isn't not-pae around anymore
[10:58] <bekks> Tom1: Thats plenty of hardware.
[10:58] <impaktor_> but I have to remove something, but all apt-get keeps telling me is I have a broken package, so I can't remove any package untill I fix the broken package.
[10:59] <Ben64> impaktor_: first you should figure out where all your inodes are being used. thats not a normal situation. deleting stuff from the root directory will never help apt-get
[10:59] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: you were asked a while ago to pastebin the output of: sudo du -shx /*                  please so so and we can help determine where the inode usage is happening
[11:00] <impaktor_> I'm not on that computer now, wait a while.
[11:00] <home-horim> anyone can help with my question?
[11:00] <technodict> how do i copy and paste files in my root folder ?
[11:01] <hitsujiTMO> technodict: you don't ... what exactly are you trying to do?
[11:01] <technodict> well i am trying to add files to a library folder
[11:02] <bekks> technodict: which files to which folders and why?
[11:02] <hitsujiTMO> home-horim: this is ubuntu support, not android support. try #android maybe
[11:02] <MASbro> my external usb hub external power supply supplies power to my ex hdd that isnt connected to the hub
[11:02] <technodict> and i need to copy some files from the other directory into /usr/share/arduino/
[11:02] <Tom1> bekks: one more querry i have.
[11:02] <hitsujiTMO> technodict: you must do so with sudo
[11:02] <technodict> i am using the gui
[11:03] <technodict> not good with cmd line
[11:03] <MASbro> my external usb hub external power supply supplies power to my ex hdd that isnt connected. does this happen to anyone else?
[11:03] <hitsujiTMO> technodict: not the best idea to use the gui as its very easy to make mistakes. but if you do need to, launch it with gksudo
[11:03] <technodict> how do i do that?
[11:04] <bekks> Tom1: Then just ask, instead of asking to ask. :)
[11:04] <moises> someone are getting problems waking up with a initiated virtualbox vm?
[11:04] <technodict> i am using xfce as i crashed my unity
[11:04] <bekks> moises: Maybe you?
[11:04] <home-horim> hitsujiTMO, i'm talking about transfering from galaxy to ubuntu,
[11:04] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/fJsZyDD8
[11:04] <hitsujiTMO> home-horim: rsync
[11:04] <impaktor_> couldn't access some of the files.
[11:05] <impaktor_> in spite of sudo
[11:05] <hitsujiTMO> technodict: gksudo nautilus               or whatever file manager
[11:05] <figgycity50> !vbox
[11:05] <Tom1> bekks: i want to install ubuntu on a 32 gb pendrive permanently. and i want to use ext4 filesystem. but as we know ext4 is journaling filesystem which means it will give a lot of stress, and it also does a lot of read and writes to pendrive. which can shorten it life, is it true that ext4 can shorten the lifespan of flashdrives
[11:06] <moises> bekks yes :(
[11:06] <home-horim> hitsujiTMO, tnx
[11:06] <home-horim> really
[11:06] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: what distro is that?
[11:06] <impaktor_> ubuntu
[11:06] <impaktor_> 12.xx
[11:06] <bekks> Tom1: Using a non-journalled FS will be slow as hell. And pendrives are cheap.
[11:07] <bekks> !details | moises
[11:07] <figgycity50> Plus no defrag on journaling FS
[11:07] <Tom1> bekks: ext2 will be slower than ext4?
[11:07] <bekks> Tom1: Of course. MUCH slower.
[11:07] <figgycity50> Yeah
[11:07] <figgycity50> 2 gens out of date
[11:07] <k1l_> Tom1: still on the usb-install issue?
[11:07] <Tom1> bekks: i though ext2 would be faster since it does not do journaling?
[11:07] <moises> I used to use virtualbox for each site I develop (using vagrant, but I think it's out of ecuation here)
[11:07] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: did the pastebin look strange?
[11:07] <bekks> Tom1: Thats a totally wrong assumption.
[11:08] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: yes not used to seeing /selinux in ubuntu :)
[11:08] <k1l_> Tom1: do you know what journaling is?
[11:08] <Tom1> bekks: ok , thanks for clearing the doubt.
[11:09] <figgycity50> 32 gb is defiantly enough for ubuntu
[11:09] <impaktor_> fuck it, I'll reinstall it.
[11:09] <moises> If i suspend when I have a vm initiated, the wake up not work
[11:09] <Tom1> k1l_: i think in journaling system the data integrity is very good, ie like its very robust in case of improper shutdowns and powercuts.
[11:09] <figgycity50> Yeah
[11:09] <figgycity50> I think
[11:09] <home-horim> hitsujiTMO, do you mean lucky backup? becasue rsync is already installed and can't be opened because there is no way to find its icon
[11:10] <figgycity50> Flushing, thats what it is
[11:10] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: can you also pastebin the output of: df -i      so we can determine what directories are not part of root
[11:10] <hitsujiTMO> home-horim: rsync is a cli utility
[11:10] <bekks> Tom1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
[11:10] <kannanunni> hai
[11:10] <figgycity50> Is any ubuntu flavour going to run on a 4gb memory stick?
[11:11] <bekks> figgycity50: Every flavour will.
[11:11] <figgycity50> But unity need 5.6gb
[11:11] <Tom1> ubuntu needs atleast 16 gb flashdrive to be installed completely.
[11:11] <hitsujiTMO> figgycity50: as a live cd image yes, or an installed copy of ubuntu-server
[11:11] <bekks> figgycity50: Thats not true.
[11:11] <bekks> figgycity50: I am running Unity fine on a 4GB vm.
[11:11] <figgycity50> Would xubutnu work installled?
[11:12] <bekks> figgycity50: Every flavour need less than 4GB of space.
[11:12] <figgycity50> K
[11:12] <Tom1> 6 gb of root partition, 4 gb of swap partition and 4 gb of /home partition for ubuntu.
[11:12] <bekks> Tom1: Thats nonsense. You need a 4GB stick at most.
[11:12] <andiho123> It is possible to upgrade Ubuntu 12.04 32-bit to 13.10 64bit?
[11:12] <bekks> andiho123: no.
[11:12] <hitsujiTMO> figgycity50: use the mini iso. install a minimal system, then install your de of choice
[11:12] <figgycity50> Main flavour install says 5.6 gb in !vbox
[11:12] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/wMkfPsVV
[11:12] <figgycity50> K
[11:12] <home-horim> hitsujiTMO, what do you mean by cli utility?
[11:12] <figgycity50> Where is minimal?
[11:12] <kannanunni> sometimes my computer restarts after loading grub. anyone please help'
[11:13] <Tom1> bekks:  i mean permanent installation of ubuntu, not persistent.
[11:13] <k1l_> !rootirc > Tom1
[11:13] <bekks> Tom1: I am talking of persistent installations only.
[11:13] <hitsujiTMO> home-horim: you run it from the command line / terminal
[11:13] <Tom1> bekks: yes that ok then.
[11:13] <k1l_> Tom1: that is not true. ubuntu runs fine without swap (depends on ram and if you want to suspend) and the minimal requirements are much lower
[11:14] <bekks> Tom1: you dont need more than a 4GB USB, since using swap on USB is even slower, and will most likely kill your pendrive faster than every journalling fs would do.
[11:14] <figgycity50> Where can i get the mini iso
[11:14] <home-horim> hitsujiTMO, lucky backup is a non terminal alternative?
[11:14] <Tom1> bekks: but swap is recommend in ubuntu?
[11:14] <hitsujiTMO> home-horim: no idea of gui tools, sorry
[11:14] <k1l_> Tom1: not on a usb stick
[11:14] <figgycity50> Tom1 not every use case is the same
[11:14] <hitsujiTMO> !minimal | figgycity50
[11:15] <figgycity50> Thx
[11:15] <k1l_> Tom1: usb is very very slow. swap doesnt make sense. and when you panik of wear levels of Filesystems why do you even want to put swap on it?
[11:16] <home-horim> hitsujiTMO, ok thank you
[11:17] <figgycity50> K1l_ he thought swap was faster
[11:17] <k1l_> no
[11:17] <bekks> figgycity50: Swap will never speed up things at all.
[11:17] <home-horim> anyone knows of a good syncronization software with gui?
[11:17] <bekks> home-horim: grsync
[11:17] <figgycity50> Ubuntu one?
[11:17] <Tom1> i have sucessfully installed mint 15 xfce on a flash drive with all swap paritions and all. i ran it almost for about 2 months with no problems, no slowdowns, no crashes, no hangups. i though ubuntu should also work like mint did.
[11:17] <bekks> Tom1: We dont care about mint.
[11:18] <k1l_> swap was faster, when ram was very very very expensive and ram was not that fast.
[11:18] <Guest92494> helo people
[11:18] <figgycity50> Swap is slower now
[11:18] <bekks> k1l_: That must have been right before the dinosaurs.
[11:18] <Guest92494> i am going to ask about forbidden things and stuff like that
[11:18] <bekks> figgycity50: Swap is as fast as your disk. Not as fast as your RAM.
[11:18] <Guest92494> in ubuntu
[11:18] <bekks> figgycity50: Difference: about 1000x
[11:18] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: ok. get a root terminal up: sudo -i                   and run this: for i in `find . -type d `; do echo `ls -a $i | wc -l` $i; done | sort -n
[11:19] <Tom1> swap was never faster, its like using ur storage medium as a portion as virtual ram.
[11:19] <k1l_> Tom1: do a persistent usb install. no need to make that much panic about it
[11:19] <hitsujiTMO> impaktor_: it will take a while, but should tell you where the inodes are beind used up
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[11:19] <Guest92494> if i install a software in ubuntu logged in as root will i be able to run it as another user without modifying config files and other as such?
[11:20] <figgycity50> Yes
[11:20] <bekks> Guest92494: Why are you logged in as root? The root account in Ubuntu is disabled by purpose.
[11:20] <Tom1> i have done persistent installation and all that. ubuntu used to give me error messages with it . i was unable to mount hdd partitions, ran slower, that's why i want to install it to usb drive, like we do with hdd
[11:20] <Guest92494> bekks...is beacause i want so
[11:20] <Guest92494> i want to leave windows
[11:20] <figgycity50> Yeah guest
[11:20] <Guest92494> and i want to do so as easy as posible
[11:21] <Guest92494> now
[11:21] <bekks> !root | Guest92494
[11:21] <figgycity50> Root is like not easy
[11:21] <Guest92494> i tried that with vlc player and worked fine
[11:21] <bekks> Guest92494: If you just use your root account for everything, you will break your box. Do not do it.
[11:21] <Guest92494> will it work with any other software as well?
[11:21] <Tom1> how do u know if someone is chatting as root?
[11:21] <figgycity50> Use the software center
[11:21] <figgycity50> Its easy
[11:21] <figgycity50> You want easy
[11:21] <bekks> Tom1: We can see the acoount name your are using.
[11:21] <Ben64> Guest92494: if you want to leave windows, leave windows' approach to user security behind as well
[11:21] <k1l_> Tom1: see your ident.
[11:21] <Guest92494> god damnit beks stop it...aaarrrghhhh
[11:22] <Guest92494> anyway
[11:22] <Guest92494> i want to install video card drivers
[11:22] <figgycity50> K
[11:22] <bekks> !language | Guest92494
[11:22] <Guest92494> will that work like that?
[11:22] <figgycity50> What card you have?
[11:22] <Tom1> am i running as root?
[11:22] <bekks> Guest92494: sudo apt-get... as USER will work.
[11:22] <bekks> Tom1: Tell us.
[11:22] <figgycity50> Tom1 no.
[11:22] <Guest92494> ubottu please control bekks
[11:22] <k1l_> Guest92494: you know there is sudo?
[11:23] <Ben64> Guest92494: learn to install things the proper way, apt-get and sudo are your friends. installing stuff manually can break your system
[11:23] <Guest92494> i dont want to use sudo...too much letters to write
[11:23] <figgycity50> Guest, software center ftw
[11:23] <hitsujiTMO> Tom1: * [Tom1] (~root@<IP_ADDRESS>): purple
[11:23] <Guest92494> apt get needs internet
[11:23] <Guest92494> i want without
[11:23] <figgycity50> Dude
[11:23] <k1l_> Guest92494: always being the admin (or root) is a bad windows habbit. just use sudo apt-get install <video-driver-package>
[11:23] <figgycity50> Everyone has net nowadays
[11:23] <bekks> Guest92494: Your are in the internet currently, so use it.
[11:24] <figgycity50> Yes
[11:24] <Guest92494> i want to do this...and after some time i will start use those things too
[11:24] <Guest92494> but not from the start
[11:24] <Tom1> bekks: what are the dangers in running as root?
[11:24] <bekks> Tom1: Insecurity.
[11:24] <Guest92494> and without the internet...can be done to much harm to the box can it?
[11:24] <figgycity50> Okay
[11:24] <Tom1> bekks: i mean chatting as root in irc?
[11:24] <Guest92494> you guys are in lockdown right now
[11:24] <figgycity50> You should use the Internet to install packages
[11:24] <bekks> Guest92494: Just leave the bad habbits of windows.
[11:25] <Guest92494> i dont want to
[11:25] <bekks> Then dont ask for help.
[11:25] <figgycity50> Why not
[11:25] <k1l_> Guest92377: honestly. ubuntu is made to be used with sudo where you need root permissions but to  run as user in all other cases. so if you want to be root all the time you are doing things much complicated
[11:25] <hewhomust> well use windows
[11:25] <Guest92494> aaaaaaaaaa
[11:25] <figgycity50> Dude use the internet please
[11:25] <figgycity50>  there is no way not to
[11:25] <Guest92494> i asked if will it work
[11:25] <Guest92494> why figgy...for you to hack me?
[11:25] <Guest92494> :)
[11:25] <bekks> Guest92494: shooting yourself in the foor will work too, technically.
[11:25] <k1l_> Guest92494: and the standard way is to use the official ubuntu repos. that is one of the favours of linux/ubuntu
[11:25] <figgycity50>  I'm not hacking you
[11:26] <bekks> *foot
[11:26] <k1l_> Tom1: running every program as root is a security issue, yes. dont do that
[11:26] <figgycity50> Indeed
[11:26] <Tom1> bekks: if someone tries to hack a computer the firewall will stop it, right?
[11:26] <Guest92494> i dont want to run the programs as root
[11:26] <k1l_> Tom1: no
[11:26] <impaktor_> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/MSQbvwN7
[11:26] <Ronie> .
[11:26] <Guest92494> i want to install them as one
[11:27] <Guest92494> why dont you want to understand
[11:27] <bekks> Tom1: No, not at all.
[11:27] <hitsujiTMO> Tom1: if there's a vulnerability in your irc client, some will have root access to your machine
[11:27] <Ben64> Guest92494: use sudo, why don't you want to understand that?
[11:27] <k1l_> Guest92494: what do you want to do after all?
[11:27] <figgycity50> To install all as one,