[05:07] <roaksoax> bigjools: o/
[05:07] <bigjools> yo
[05:08] <roaksoax> bigjools: yo!
[05:08] <roaksoax> whats up? :)
[05:08] <bigjools> should I ask what time it is there? :)
[05:09] <roaksoax> 1.10 am :)
[05:10] <bigjools> nice
[05:10] <roaksoax> i drank colombian coffee and cant sleep :/
[05:10] <bigjools> I am only 14h ahead of you then :)
[05:10] <roaksoax> heh:)
[05:10] <bigjools> when's the SRU going out mate?
[05:11] <roaksoax> bigjools: i uploaded on friday
[05:11] <roaksoax> gonna ping ppl tomorrow
[05:11] <bigjools> ah it's in -proposed
[05:11] <roaksoax> (or later today)
[05:11] <bigjools> there's another fix to go in, sadly, but I think you know.  It can wait for later anyway.
[05:11] <roaksoax> bigjools: i can still upload i think
[05:12] <bigjools> that'd be good
[05:12] <roaksoax> will look into that tomorrow/later today
[05:12] <bigjools> just need to check the "fix committed" stuff on 1.2 that is not milestoned
[05:12] <bigjools> I'll release the milestone once it's all in updates
[05:12] <roaksoax> ok cool
[05:13]  * bigjools high-fives roaksoax
[05:13] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah finally we are almost done \o/
[05:13] <bigjools> it's been a long road ...
[05:13] <roaksoax> indeed
[05:14] <roaksoax> but almost there :)
[08:55] <AskUbuntu> Howto perform OpenStack upgrade from Essex to Folsom on juju maas | http://askubuntu.com/q/267256
[10:07] <AskUbuntu> UBUNTU MaaS Region and Cluster Controller in One Box | http://askubuntu.com/q/267284
[12:33] <melmoth> is there any doc on how to use /usr/sbin/maas-import-pxe-files in an environment not connectetr to the internet ?
[12:33] <melmoth> like, downloading the iso manually, and feeding them into maas ?
[13:21] <roaksoax> melmoth: no... you need internet connection. it is a requirement
[15:08] <melmoth> racedo, here i am :-)
[15:08] <racedo> hey melmoth
[15:08] <racedo> hi roaksoax melmoth is trying to setup an offline environment with maas using mirrors
[15:08] <melmoth> so, i have a problem, i m trying to use maas (1.2+bzr1360+dfsg-0ubuntu1~ppa1) on a lab not connected to internet
[15:09] <melmoth> i have used reprepro to mirror archives.ubuntu.com (main updates security restricted and universe)
[15:09] <melmoth> i also have mirrored in a separate subdir the ppa for juju and for maas (so i can install maas)
[15:09] <melmoth> now, i have maas installed, but when i start a node, it try to contact archives.ubuntu.com
[15:09] <racedo> melmoth: when enlisting the nodes, do they try to go online to pull the packages?
[15:09] <melmoth> yes
[15:10] <racedo> is it cloud-init configuring sources.list?
[15:10] <melmoth> i want to be able to tell the machines where are my repos, and not to use the real upstream one
[15:10] <melmoth> i have no idea
[15:10] <melmoth> i never had to add anything related to cloud init anywhere before
[15:11] <melmoth> btw, this is the step by step doc http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pierre-amadio/+junk/c6100-isolated-maas-deployment/view/head:/README.txt
[15:11] <melmoth> basically just how to set reprepro
[15:11] <melmoth> i know some people workarouned this by trying to play with name resoltuion
[15:12] <melmoth> and have archive.ubuntu.com point to the local repo, but i m not sure this is a good idea.
[15:12] <melmoth> (plus i m not sure where to do that anyway ;-) )
[15:12] <melmoth> i would rather have the preseed file changed so they use _my_  mirrors.
[15:13] <racedo> melmoth: the images may already contain this, we may have to modify them
[15:13] <racedo> check /var/lib/maas/ephemeral/precise/ephemeral/amd64/20121008
[15:14] <melmoth> hmmm
[15:14] <racedo> hep
[15:14] <melmoth> that s a good idea
[15:14] <racedo> sudo mount -o loop disk.img
[15:14] <racedo> and check the sources.list
[15:15] <melmoth> yeh, i m trying that
[15:15] <melmoth> looks good
[15:19] <roaksoax> melmoth: its probably easier to makecloud init do the repo change
[15:19] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[15:20] <melmoth> i dont know, i never used any mirror tool. I first try with apt-mirror, then i have been told to use reprepro because it ll be easier
[15:20] <melmoth> note that one of the trick also is, i want to have a mirror with all the ppa stuff needed. reason is, i dont want anything to do with injecting gpg key with ppa styff
[15:20] <melmoth> cause it ll be just fail too
[15:21] <melmoth> grumble, still trying to access security and archive repo
[15:22] <roaksoax> melmoth: i mean makr cloud iniy use the internal repo
[15:22] <roaksoax> melmoth: http://askubuntu.com/questions/144393/how-to-let-maas-cloud-init-client-select-internal-mirror
[15:22] <melmoth> oh
[15:22] <smoser> melmoth, you can probably accomplish this. but you might have to chagne the commissioning_user_data and the enlistment_userdata.
[15:23] <smoser> i *think* if you change the preseed that that will get refelected through and 'stick' after installation
[15:23] <smoser> doing this via  proxy "should work" without any tampering from trunk now.
[15:23] <smoser> but i'm not sure about full mirror
[15:23] <melmoth> that seems to be for the old version of maas, is it not ? (the above ask ubuntu link)
[15:24] <smoser> (personally, i'd recommend proxy)
[15:24] <roaksoax> melmoth: (yeah but thats somethibg similar)
[15:24] <melmoth> i did try to change the preseed file in the generic file.
[15:24] <melmoth> without success
[15:25] <smoser> the link above is something that i expect is now fixed.
[15:25] <smoser> (as maas tells cloud-init to 'apt_prserve_sources_list: true' itself)
[15:25] <melmoth> even if you are behind a proxy, things fail (that s my personnal problem for 3 monthes now), as soon as you need a ppa.
[15:26] <melmoth> but anyway, in this particular case, the pre requisite is "completly isolated network"
[15:28] <roaksoax> melmoth: yeah ppa's behind proxy indeed fail but there are work arounds
[15:28] <smoser> melmoth, you can proxy ppa for sure. squid-deb-proxy needs tweaking to make it do that. but you can do it. and it is not 100% offline, but its pretty good.
[15:28] <melmoth> any link that explain the workaround for hte ppa behind a proxy  ?
[15:29] <melmoth> my ppa & proxy issue is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1089389
[15:30] <melmoth> the "injecting gpg key manually" workaround is not good enough, it must be done withing the zookeeper node during bootstraping.
[15:30] <roaksoax> melmoth: yeah you need to add late commands to add the ppa and stuf
[15:30] <melmoth> like, changing th preseed file so it inject the gpg key manually ? hmmmm
[15:31] <melmoth> gosh i hate preseed :)
[15:31] <roaksoax> yeah
[15:31] <racedo> didn't we hit something similar when on site last time?
[15:31] <roaksoax> so that way it is done automatically
[15:31] <roaksoax> racedo: we did
[15:31] <melmoth> racedo, we currently have such a problem
[15:31] <melmoth> that s the whole reason why i m trying to build stuff in an isolated env.
[15:31] <racedo> and we injected the gpg keys in the charms?
[15:32] <roaksoax> racedo: i think just in late_command
[15:32] <racedo> ok
[15:33]  * roaksoax looks for it
[15:34] <racedo> and melmoth for the ppa issue, would this be doable: mount -o loop disk.img, chroot to it and apt-add-repo?
[15:34] <roaksoax> racedo: no need
[15:34] <melmoth> i dont know
[15:34] <racedo> ups not really
[15:34] <melmoth> you know, i have no real understanding of what maas is actually doing.
[15:34] <roaksoax> you can modify enlist_userdata and commissioning-user-data
[15:35] <melmoth> so, if it try to add the repo anyway, even if it still there, may be it ll fail. may be not...who knows.
[15:35] <melmoth> roaksoax, and those are preseed snippet, right ?
[15:35] <roaksoax> melmoth: its really not maas itself
[15:36] <roaksoax> melmoth: it is external factor that we have to workaround in maas
[15:38] <melmoth> i dont undertsand what are enlist_userdata and enlist file. Looks mor elike bash scrpit than pressed
[15:39] <melmoth> so i m not sure if i need to add d-i stuff in it or echo > stuff <<EOF
[15:40] <roaksoax> melmoth: enlist_userdata is cloud
[15:40] <roaksoax> melmoth: enlist_userdata is cloud init's user data
[15:40] <roaksoax> for enlistment process
[15:40] <roaksoax> /etc/maas/commissioning-user-data is cloud init's user adata for commissioning process
[15:41] <melmoth> ok, as we say in france "c est comme le port salut, c est marqué dessus" (it s written on the name :) )
[15:41] <melmoth> now, i need to read doc about cloud init user data then.
[15:43] <melmoth> ahh, yaml...
[15:43] <melmoth> i need to read doc about yaml :)
[15:45] <roaksoax> racedo: great!! The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist.
[15:45] <roaksoax> Return to the Pastebin
[15:45] <roaksoax> racedo: all the stuff was in pastebins and now they are gone
[15:45] <racedo> oh ok
[15:46] <roaksoax> all the tweaks we did in colorado
[15:47] <racedo> i think we just include it in one charm
[15:47] <racedo> not sure how
[15:47] <roaksoax> racedo: yes, we included it for the cloud archive
[15:47] <roaksoax> racedo: did you or negronjl backed that up?
[15:48] <racedo> i didn't negronjl was the charms person on site that week
[15:48] <racedo> let me quickly ping agy
[15:49] <roaksoax> racedo: already did :)
[15:49] <racedo> oh ok :)
[15:53] <AskUbuntu> Could not internally obtain zookeeper handle | http://askubuntu.com/q/267409
[15:57] <roaksoax> racedo: ping
[15:57] <roaksoax> err
[15:57] <roaksoax> sorry
[15:57] <roaksoax> rvba: ping
[15:57] <roaksoax> rvba: ping
[16:01] <rvba> roaksoax: hi
[16:02] <smoser> melmoth, :-( forgot about that bug.
[16:28] <melmoth> ah ah, enlisting seems to go a bit further.
[16:29] <melmoth> gosh, please tell me i dont have to mirror the sources too
[16:29] <melmoth> yeahhh, got one node declared \o/
[16:35] <roaksoax> melmoth: so in your proxy environment, could you try things like this: sudo apt-key adv --recv-key --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --keyserver-options http-proxy=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/ 93EE8CC5
[16:35] <roaksoax> melmoth: or  sudo apt-key adv --recv-key --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com  93EE8CC5
[16:35] <roaksoax> in the first you'd need to specify the proxy you are using
[16:35] <melmoth> it ll work, it s actually written in th ebug if i remember correctly
[16:36] <roaksoax> melmoth: ok so something like that is what you need to add
[16:36] <roaksoax> to a late_command
[16:36] <roaksoax> in the preseed
[16:36] <roaksoax> and manually add the ppa repository
[16:36] <melmoth> ahh, yes. that could be an option, in a late command, that, or, as i was just reading cloud init stuff apt_sources: in the cloud init config file
[16:36] <melmoth> i will try it out next time i have nothing else to do :)
[16:37] <melmoth> hopefully next week
[16:37] <melmoth> depends how this isolated stuff turns out
[16:38] <melmoth> yes... ready state \o/
[16:46] <melmoth> hmmm, it does not like my mirror :-(
[16:48] <melmoth> when i bootstrap, the zookeeper node download the Release file from my mirror
[16:48] <melmoth> there is a Codename: precise in it.
[16:49] <melmoth> i can wget it all rightr from the console of the zookeeper node, but still, it complain the mirror does not support the precise release.
[16:50] <roaksoax> melmoth: are you telling the preseed to use the mirror?
[16:50] <melmoth> yes, it does it all right, i see it downloading the release file from my mirror
[16:51] <roaksoax> melmoth: did you remove the proxy option from the preseed? better ocmment it
[16:51] <melmoth> hmm. not sure
[16:52] <roaksoax> melmoth: you'll probably need to do that
[16:52] <roaksoax> melmoth: so installations don't access the proxy in maas, and use the mirror directly
[16:53] <melmoth> not sure what to do, there is a /usr/share/maas/preseeds/generic file that define a proxy marco or something
[16:54] <melmoth> hmm, actually, i already edited this file, to put my mirror ip in it.
[16:54] <melmoth> i have a strange feeling i have no idea what i m doing.
[16:54] <melmoth> let s remove the "d-i     mirror/http/proxy string http://{{server_host}}:8000/
[16:54] <melmoth> " line
[16:54] <melmoth> just in case.
[16:56] <roaksoax> melmoth: yeah
[16:58] <melmoth> now, it seems to complain because my mirror has no /ubuntu/dists/precise/Release.gpg
[16:59] <roaksoax> melmoth: maybe you need to correct the path for the mirror
[16:59] <roaksoax> in the preseed
[16:59] <roaksoax> and that would be it
[17:00] <melmoth> well, i do not have any file ending with .gpg in my repo.
[17:01] <roaksoax> then that's probably whhy
[17:01] <melmoth> i think i start to understand the "VerifyRelease: blindtrust" option i used in reprepro
[17:17] <AskUbuntu> How to PXE boot a virtual machine from another virtual machine which are in same virtual network? | http://askubuntu.com/q/267435
[20:43] <mross> Hi, I'm trying to automate my MAAS cluster with the maas cli. I've written a script to do this but I can seem to get the maas nodes to allocate to a user after they've been released.
[20:43] <mross> My basic algorithm is:
[20:43] <mross> maas-cli login mezeoadmin
[20:43] <mross> maas-cli mezeoadmin node release <system_id>
[20:44] <mross> … Do this for all the nodes.
[20:44] <mross> maas-cli mezeoadmin nodes accept-all
[20:44] <roaksoax> mross: accept-all is only done when they are first enlisted in MAAS
[20:44] <mross> ssh -o "StrictHostKeyChecking no" ubuntu@node "sudo reboot"
[20:45] <mross> Then I'm going to the web interface and pressing 'start node' for each node that has been released.
[20:45] <mross> This seems to work, but I would like to automate it completely off the cli.
[20:46] <mross> What am i missing.
[20:46] <mross> ??
[20:46] <mross> @roaksoax OK. So I can remove that.
[20:46] <roaksoax> mross: 1. why don't you use juju ? :)
[20:47] <mross> Because I haven't written a juju plugin for our service yet.
[20:47] <mross> I'm just getting familiar with maas right now.
[20:47] <roaksoax> mross: 2. when you 'Start node' on the web UI, they get turned on to install ubuntu on them
[20:47] <roaksoax> mross: you could use juju deploy ubuntu
[20:47] <roaksoax> mross: and that will simply install ubuntu on the nodes
[20:47] <roaksoax> and on topof that you could deploy your service
[20:48] <mross> So juju deploy ubuntu to nodes that are in a ready state will install ubuntu on nodes that haven't been allocated?
[20:48] <mross> Or do I have to allocate them to a user then deploy?
[20:49] <roaksoax> mross: nodes are allocated when a user wants to install ubuntu on them, in the case of juju, it will take nodes that are in 'Ready' state to deploy ubuntu on them and install a service
[20:52] <mross> OK thanks. Is this a decent workflow for what I'm trying to do.
[20:52] <roaksoax> mross: so in order words, you do not allocated a machine to a user, so the user can install ubuntu on it
[20:53] <roaksoax> however, the user can use a machine from the Ready pool, once it selects that machine to be used, the machines becaomes allocated to the user
[20:53] <mross> Correct
[20:53] <roaksoax> mross: personally, I'd recommend you to use juju
[20:53] <roaksoax> makes things so much simpler
[20:53] <roaksoax> if you need to automate the dpeloyment of your service, you'll need to write a charm that installs and configure your service
[20:53] <roaksoax> a juju charm
[20:54] <mross> Any good examples you can send me for my particular use case?
[20:55] <roaksoax> mross: so for example, you could use: juju deploy wordpress, juju deploy mysql, juju add-relation wordpress mysql
[20:55] <roaksoax> that deploys wordpress and mysql in different nodes, and adds a relation between them saying that wordpress will use the mysql node as its backend db
[20:59] <mross> OK. I think I know where you're headed here.
[20:59] <mross> And where I need to go. Roak thank you very much!
[21:17] <roaksoax> mross: more infomrmation in maas.ubuntu.com and juju.ubuntu.com :)
[23:35] <bigjools> roaksoax: re. bug 1154805
[23:36] <bigjools> I am pretty sure this is just a juju bug
[23:36] <bigjools> see the recent thread on juju-dev where I suggested that the user experience is poor
[23:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah i was thinking that, but just to make sure I included maas
[23:37] <bigjools> roaksoax: it's a provider bug in juju
[23:37] <bigjools> or perhaps a core bug
[23:37] <bigjools> I dunno
[23:37] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah that's why I wasn't sure either
[23:37] <bigjools> but maas returns a 403 IIRC
[23:38] <roaksoax> bigjools: maas does show an error
[23:38] <roaksoax> bigjools: but juju doesn't
[23:38] <bigjools> roaksoax: in the log?
[23:38] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah maas shows NodesNotAvailable: No matching node is available.
[23:38] <roaksoax> bigjools: but for juju ois just as like nothing happened
[23:38] <roaksoax> bigjools: i'm more concerned on the contraints bug though
[23:39] <roaksoax> bigjools: ppl have been complaining about constraints in customer deployments
[23:39] <bigjools> ah no it returns httplib.CONFLICT
[23:39] <bigjools> roaksoax: it's definitely a juju bug
[23:39] <bigjools> it has no notion of not being able to get a node, it just waits for one forever (I think it retries)
[23:40] <roaksoax> yeah maybe, TBH i didn't look much into it since i needed to get that stuff working
[23:40] <roaksoax> feel free to retarget accordingly
[23:41] <bigjools> done :)
[23:41] <roaksoax> bigjools: i think this is more important though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1154803
[23:41] <bigjools> looking
[23:42] <bigjools> roaksoax: well that sucks :/
[23:42] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah i was thinking might be related to node having 1, and the constraints 1.0  amybe?
[23:42] <bigjools> roaksoax: I don't know who will fix that
[23:42] <roaksoax> bigjools: mgz? :)
[23:42] <bigjools> it won't be us I'm afraid, we're super busy on another deadline
[23:43] <bigjools> roaksoax: should be easy to fix if you write a test to re-create it :)
[23:44] <roaksoax> bigjools: sure, I'll try to do it this week, im packed getting other stuff to work
[23:44]  * bigjools hears you
[23:44] <bigjools> roaksoax: FWIW, all of my team are with me here in Brisbane next week
[23:44] <bigjools> in case you expected them to be around to ping :)
[23:45] <roaksoax> bigjools: hehe ok :)


[00:16] <bryce_> RAOF, ready when you are
[00:42] <RAOF> bryceh: Ready.
[00:42] <RAOF> bryceh: Or, rather, both ready and on IRC, rather than hanging around downstairs :)
[00:42] <bryce_> RAOF, ok meet you down there
[00:43] <RAOF> K!
[16:53] <mvo> if someone could check #847416 that would be nice, looks like s-c is killing X somehow (or corrupt it) when its creating some offscreen window
[17:13] <jcristau> mvo: did you reproduce it?
[17:26] <Sarvatt> mvo: went to ask them to attach some logs and they said its already fixed
[17:47] <tjaalton> how can we re-summon ubottu here?
[17:47] <tjaalton> do the irc-ops have a channel?
[17:48] <Sarvatt> its here
[17:48] <Sarvatt> bug #847416
[17:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 847416 in xorg (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Software Center Banner Resulting in Screen / xserver corruption (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/847416
[17:48] <Sarvatt> fdo #11111
[17:49] <Sarvatt> just not the right syntax
[17:49] <tjaalton> oh
[17:49] <tjaalton> yeah it was gone earlier though
[17:49] <tjaalton> freedesktop bug 11111
[17:50] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 11111 in Website "hal.freedesktop.org should point to the HAL wiki" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11111
[17:50] <tjaalton> ha
[17:50] <Sarvatt> argh at freedesktop bug 39533
[17:50] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 39533 in DRM/Intel "[SNB] Hang/blank display on macbook air (mid 2011 model)" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39533
[17:51] <tjaalton> hehe
[17:54] <tjaalton> so that's the eDP bug?
[19:44] <mvo> Sarvatt: re 847416, many thanks!
[19:44]  * Sarvatt didn't do anything :)
[19:46] <Sarvatt> mvo: you were the one that fixed it, ha
[19:52] <mvo> heh :) I like that, even though I'm not sure which of my changes actually fixed it


[17:40] <Jemt> Hello guys. I have created a job which executes fine when manually emitting the event. But it doesn't execute on boot. Can someone help ? Here is my small job: http://pastebin.com/cyVcbNg
[17:41] <Jemt> Sorry, http://pastebin.com/cyVcbnNg
[17:41] <Jemt> It's supposed to start together with gdm
[17:42] <Jemt> gdm.conf contains this: emits starting-dm
[17:42] <Jemt> So I don't understand why my job is not executed
[18:03] <JanC> Jemt: the "emits" stanza is for documentation
[18:07] <JanC> so maybe your gdm job is not emiting that event for some reason...
[18:11] <JanC> also, did you test whether it's not running or failing to do what you want it to do?


[02:18] <duflu> RAOF: Surely if Mesa is that sensitive to compiler flags, we should try them out? :)
[02:18] <RAOF> We should certainly see if it *is* that sensitive to compiler flags, yes :)
[02:18] <duflu> Yes, if.
[08:07] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:08] <mlankhorst> RAOF: well --enable-debug causes -O0 to be added by default, it's stupid. :/
[08:28] <mlankhorst> apart from that I think it doesn't matter much
[08:55] <alan_g> Happy New Year
[09:06] <duflu> alan_g: Welcome back
[09:07] <anpok> hi
[09:15] <duflu> Morning anpok
[09:53] <anpok> duflu: with opening namespace scope i meant haveing namespace foo\n{\nnamepace bar\n{\n at the beginning of a block of method implementations..
[09:54] <duflu> anpok: Yes, that's good too. I forgot about that
[09:58] <alan_g> anpok: here's the project guideline: http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/cppguide/index.html?showone=Namespaces#Namespaces - there are a lot of valid options (although we don't seem to use many of them)
[10:01]  * duflu runs away
[10:03] <anpok> alan_g: there are a few cases in which there is a general rule description
[10:03] <anpok> then a few examples
[10:03] <anpok> and then detail rules below
[10:04] <anpok> and some of the examples are not covered by the detailed rules..
[10:05] <alan_g> anpok: true. Maybe someone (hint hint) should MP a fix
[10:05] <anpok> alan_g: yeah for ever issue there are at least two possible solutions
[10:06] <anpok> *every
[10:06] <anpok> alan_g: we started the namespace discussion because I used mg::foo in a new source file..
[10:07] <alan_g> That's common Mir usage. What's to discuss?
[10:09] <anpok> that we should abondon it in favor of an acronym free style
[10:12]  * alan_g has a mild preference for what we have and a strong preference for not changing something that's all over the codebase.
[10:17] <anpok> i suspect uk has no holy three kings national holiday?
[10:23] <alan_g> Correct. It isn't a national holiday.
[10:26] <alan_g> CofE has epiphany on 12th night and it is traditional to take down decorations.
[15:58] <racarr> Morning
[15:59] <alan_g> Happy New Year
[15:59] <racarr> Happy new years as well!
[20:30] <kdub> the dreaded 'no space left on device'
[20:38] <kgunn> on n7 ?
[20:47] <kdub> yeah, just from installing too much stuff on device
[20:49] <racarr> happy new years btw kgunn :)
[21:13] <kgunn> racarr: thanks
[21:13] <kgunn> you too
[21:15] <kgunn> rebooting n4 takes much longer than i would ever guess
[21:26] <kdub> maybe something's amiss, mine doesn't take an unreasonable amount of time
[21:33] <kgunn> might be cause i'm doing unity8 "run_on_device" which copies stuff...and then seems to take a bit before actually restarting unity8


[00:39] <nigelb> morning folks
[00:39] <nigelb> *yawn*
[00:40] <Pendulum> hiya nigelb
[00:40] <nigelb> Pendulum: heya
[00:40] <nigelb> 5 am is an unholy hour to wake up :/
[00:41] <duanedesign> 'lo nigelb
[00:42] <Pendulum> nigelb: yes, yes it is
[00:45] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[00:45] <nigelb> duanedesign: github'd as promised http://github.com/nigelbabu/git-repo-tools :)
[00:48] <doctormo> nigelb: Nice work!
[00:48] <nigelb> :)
[00:50] <duanedesign> nice
[00:53] <nigelb> akgraner: congrats! http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/ROSE-Blog-Rikki-s-Open-Source-Exchange/Announcing-our-new-Associate-Web-Editor?blogbox
[01:22] <duanedesign>  /5
[01:23] <nigelb> duanedesign: 42
[01:33] <duanedesign> :P
[01:51] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks!
[01:52]  * nigelb hugs akgraner
[03:17] <highvoltage> moo
[03:18] <nhandler> Hey highvoltage
[03:18] <highvoltage> hey nhandler
[03:19] <nigelb> im off, later folks
[03:20] <nhandler> Take care nigelb
[03:20] <highvoltage> night nigelb
[07:32] <ara> good morning!
[07:43] <vish> popey¦ re: the youtube theme.. can i have a shot at it?
[07:45] <vish> highvoltage , popey¦ is there a reason the wallpaper was used as the background?
[07:49] <nigelb> morning ara, dpm
[07:49] <nigelb> dpm: oooh, I didn't notice you were doing 2 sessions for UOW
[07:50] <dpm> hi nigelb, yeah, I signed up for a fallback one in case I forgot the first one ;)
[07:50] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:50] <nigelb> dpm: hahah, looks lke you did forget :p
[07:55] <vish> hmm, also whats up with the Ubuntu logo there.. we need a new shiny avatar for the channel ;p
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning! :)
[07:58] <ara> morning dholbach
[07:58] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[07:58] <dholbach> hey ara, hey nigelb
[08:02] <nigelb> oh, right, I need to mail translators
[08:02] <nigelb> morning kim0
[08:03] <kim0> nigelb: morning man
[08:03]  * kim0 waves good morning to everyone
[08:04] <dpm> good morning dholbach, ara and kim0!
[08:04] <kim0> dpm: dholbach ara hey .. morning
[08:04] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:04] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[08:05] <nigelb> waiting for weekend :/
[08:05] <kim0> hehe
[08:06] <nigelb> dang, I can't find nathan's mail
[08:17] <dholbach> http://xkcd.com/806/ - awesome
[08:21] <nigelb> OMG, that is so real
[08:22] <dpm> :)
[08:26] <vish> hrm!!! » http://www.petitiononline.com/buntubug/petition.html
[08:47] <AlanBell> dholbach: excellent!
[09:38] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:38] <kim0> hey czajkowski morning
[09:38] <czajkowski> FRIDAY :D
[10:18] <nigelb> heya czajkowski
[10:26] <vish> jcastro¦ hmm, why is it askubuntu.com and not ask.ubuntu.com ?
[10:53] <JanC> probably because it's not officially part of Ubuntu?
[11:06] <vish> JanC¦ oh! dont let jcastro hear you say that ;)
[11:10] <JanC> he can edit http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/434/what-is-stackexchange-is-askubuntu-officially-related-to-ubuntu-or-canonical  if he doesn't agree ;)
[11:26] <akgraner> dpm, thanks - I just made the changes and resent the reminder to the session leaders for today.
[11:27] <dpm> akgraner, no worries :)
[11:27]  * akgraner puts a sticky note on her computer that she needs to step away from the computer after 10pm  0.o :-)
[12:22] <highvoltage> vish: yes, it was just a quick hack to get rid of the orange :)
[12:26] <matti> akgraner: Apologies for not starting off yet with the Ruby classes, but I am way to busy with my university work right now.
[12:27] <akgraner> matti, no worries - when the time is right it will all fall into place :-)
[12:28] <akgraner> but I have you on my list of people to bug, er um ask to participate in future sessions
[12:28] <vish> highvoltage¦ i was just playing with youtube theming » http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png  ?
[12:28] <vish> i still need to get the colors right.. i think
[12:32] <vish> i cant see any option to change the padding thickness. :(
[12:36] <matti> akgraner: *hug*
[12:36] <matti> akgraner: Again, my deepest apologies.
[12:36] <akgraner> matti, thanks!
[12:44] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:44] <highvoltage> vish: yeah the options are rather limited
[12:51] <dholbach> james_w, do you see anything blocking https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dholbach/harvest/656217/+merge/37935 to go in?
[12:51] <dholbach> james_w, I think I waited long enough now and will just merge it and ask him to file a bug if he accepts a different behaviour
[12:51] <dholbach> so we can get a release out :)
[12:51] <dholbach> but first I'll go for lunch now - let me know what you think :)
[12:52] <james_w> dholbach, I don't see why it shouldn't be merged
[12:52] <dholbach> ok, thanks
[12:52]  * dholbach hugs james_w
[12:55]  * AlanBell just introduced -uk to the cake song
[12:57]  * Pendulum is still avoiding the cake song :)
[13:15] <JFo> great work AlanBell :)
[13:16] <sense> good afternoon
[13:16]  * vish tried to trick Pendulum … darn it, dint work! :(
[13:20] <vish> I think someone needs to play that song everyday from the room next to Pendulum's at the UDS! then she cant avoid it.. ;p
[13:23] <czajkowski> eh no
[13:26] <sense> vish: There will be other people there as well, other people who also have ears and hearts.
[13:27] <vish> sense¦ perfect! spreading the JFo joy more! :-D
[13:27] <vish> or evil.. whichever..
[13:29] <JFo> I have the mp3 of it
[14:06] <doctormo> Wow!
[14:06] <doctormo> finally back on IRC
[14:07] <doctormo> Who knew a service called "telepathy" used by a program called "empathy" which all claims to be xdg compilent would store it's account information in ~/.mission-control
[14:07]  * doctormo rolls his eyes at how daft that is.
[14:14] <vish> doctormo¦ hah! you are not alone!  when i was reinstalling i thought that was from ground control!
[14:33] <doctormo> vish: Do you know who I can go moan at to help me with this rotten computer? I'm stuck at 800x600 and it's annoying the hell out of me.
[14:33] <vish> doctormo¦ tried  #ubuntu-x  ?
[14:38] <doctormo> thanks vish, trying there now /
[14:39] <jcastro> JFo: your mail doesn't indicate where the wiki page is, what equipment we should bring, etc.
[14:39] <JFo> that is what I am asking for.... who is bringing what
[14:40] <JFo> I have a list of things Pete, Jono and I are bringing
[14:40] <JFo> I just want to see what everyone else will have
[14:40] <JFo> so I can add it to the list
[14:40] <JFo> jcastro, I didn't mean for it to sound like people should bring things
[14:40] <JFo> just want to see what they plan to bring
[14:40] <jcastro> oh
[14:41] <jcastro> well, what do you need?
[14:41] <JFo> nothing really, we are pretty much taking care of everything, but if people want to bring their instruments...
[14:41] <jcastro> it's times like this when I wish I owned a bassoon
[14:41] <JFo> unless someone has Mic cables about 25 feet long
[14:41] <JFo> that is cool
[14:42] <JFo> dude, a bassoon would be cool
[14:42] <JFo> I'd try my hand at clarinet
[14:42] <JFo> and we could have the all-star big band
[14:42] <doctormo> JFo: what are you setting up?
[14:42] <JFo> doctormo, All Star Jam
[14:42] <doctormo> ah, all-stars
[14:42] <JFo> yeah :)
[14:43] <jcastro> JFo: "Dan, come up here, and bring your knife."
[14:43] <JFo> heh
[14:43] <jcastro> JFo: sorry, I am all about deadwood lately
[14:43] <JFo> it's cool. It was a great show
[14:43] <jcastro> JFo: just what my sailor mouth needs
[14:43] <JFo> jcastro, they were very eloquent in their use of swearing
[14:43] <jcastro> they average an F bomb ever 1.58 minutes or something according to imdb.
[14:43] <jcastro> that seems like a conservative measurement
[14:43] <JFo> yep
[14:43] <JFo> very
[14:44] <akgraner> JFo, if you want a basson - I am sure Deanna would let us borrow one
[14:44] <akgraner> I want to borrow the gong
[14:44] <JFo> :)
[14:44] <jcastro> do you have a tuba?
[14:44] <JFo> ooh, I bet she wouldn't let the gong go
[14:44] <jcastro> I play a tuba (seriously)
[14:44] <akgraner> he knows where to get one
[14:44] <jcastro> oh man, if we have a gong
[14:44] <JFo> I do indeed
[14:44] <jcastro> for lightning talks
[14:44] <JFo> heh
[14:45] <akgraner> JFo, with a big enough deposit she will
[14:45] <JFo> akgraner, well of course
[14:45] <JFo> but who is funding the deposit?
[14:45] <JFo> not I
[14:45] <akgraner> hmmm not me
[14:45] <jcastro> so, pete
[14:45] <JFo> he won't go for that
[14:45] <JFo> I guarrantee
[14:45] <akgraner> jcastro, rackspace has a gong - ask rick clark to bring it
[14:45] <JFo> that would be a pain to try and get on a plane
[14:46] <akgraner> it's rackspace can't that ship it - just Austin to Orlando
[14:46] <JFo> "If the pilot does a bad job, he gets gonged"
[14:46] <JFo> true
[14:46] <JFo> nice sentence btw akgraner :)
[14:47] <akgraner> JFo, BLAH - I gave up trying to have perfect IRC sentences - I can't even have them in a conversation in person my less when I type
[14:47] <akgraner> see
[14:47] <JFo> lol
[14:47] <akgraner> s/my/much
[14:48] <akgraner> Time to gwibber all about Open Week Day 5  - woo hoo
[14:48] <doctormo> akgraner: Congratutions on another awesome week.
[14:48] <doctormo> Congratulations*
[14:49] <akgraner> doctormo, I'll send you a copy of my poster when i get it finished - thanks for your time! :-)
[14:49] <akgraner> inkscape IS my friend
[14:50] <doctormo> akgraner: You did a poster? :-)
[14:50] <akgraner> I am working on it - :-) (For the Goat Festival)
[14:56] <jcastro> akgraner: hi2u
[14:56] <jcastro> akgraner: can you intro OW? I have a call with the lovely daviey
[14:57] <akgraner> sure
[15:00] <kim0> jcastro: ready for the call with daviey
[15:01] <jcastro> yep
[16:23] <kim0> jono: morning
[16:24] <jono> hey kim0
[16:46] <jcastro> where did this week go
[16:47] <jcastro> akgraner: congrats btw
[16:47] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks!
[16:47] <jcastro> I blogged about it, bless your heart
[16:47] <akgraner> :-)
[16:48] <akgraner> jcastro, you're awesome!
[16:48] <JFo> lol
[16:52] <jcastro> kim0: fyi this is what I ended up with http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001GXLDMO/ref=oss_product
[16:53]  * kim0 looking
[16:53] <kim0> jcastro: cool .. you hook that to eSata right
[16:54] <kim0> and it seems to have a built in raid controller
[16:54] <jcastro> yeah when it gets here
[16:54] <jcastro> yeah but people are telling me to just run it in nonraid mode and use mdadm
[16:54] <kim0> 4x2TB disks huh
[16:54] <kim0> indeed
[16:54] <jcastro> yeah, except the drives don't get here until monday
[16:54] <jcastro> so I will have an empty box delivered today
[16:54] <kim0> any kind of builtin ups or something
[16:55] <jcastro> no just a PS
[16:55] <kim0> jcastro: people telling you to use mdadm to avoid proprietary raid cards writing weird format crap to your disks, right ?
[16:56] <jcastro> yeah
[16:56] <kim0> and your data would be locked in that box forever
[16:56] <kim0> hehe
[16:56] <kim0> You might even feel cool enough to format the whole thing in btrfs
[16:57] <jcastro> I was mulling a drobo since it's all automatic but the linuxjournal guys (and popey) told me the things are horribly slow
[16:57] <kim0> what kinda computer will be driving this baby
[16:57] <pleia2> yeah, they are :\
[16:57] <jcastro> I will be using ext4 on 10.04LTS for my server until it dies
[16:58] <kim0> that's probably the safest choice
[16:58] <popey> i am mulling over a low power acer aspire revo (which has esata) and an external sata enclosure
[16:58] <kim0> what about an ASrock
[16:58] <popey> (to replace the drobo)
[16:59] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/-/dp/B001H54JXG that kind of thing
[16:59] <jcastro> popey: that's basically what I got
[16:59] <jcastro> one black box, JBOD it.
[17:01] <popey> tempted to use freenas or similar, on USB sticks, mirrored
[17:03] <popey> jcastro: what do you run on it?
[17:03] <jcastro> ubuntu server, what else?
[17:03] <popey> heh
[17:07] <kim0> If I wouldn't be running linux .. I'd actually be tempted to run zfs
[17:07] <dholbach> ok my friends
[17:07] <dholbach> I call it a day
[17:07] <dholbach> have a great weekend!
[17:07] <kim0> dholbach: o/
[17:07] <dholbach> see you all next week
[17:07]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:09] <kim0> akgraner: are we sending that uow survey to attendees as well ?
[17:10] <akgraner> I have no way of sending to *all* attendees
[17:10] <kim0> awk magic to irclogs.ubuntu.com ? :D
[17:10] <akgraner> I am posting it to ubuntu-news later today on a post
[17:11] <kim0> get a list of nicks .. get emails from LP .. spam the world ;)
[17:11] <vish> jcastro , popey¦ what do you think of theme-ing  the youtube channels like this » http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png ?
[17:11] <akgraner> kim0, if you have that much time have at it :-P
[17:11] <kim0> akgraner: I could really do it
[17:11] <kim0> wouldn't take that much time
[17:11] <kim0> 20mins or so
[17:11] <akgraner> awesome!
[17:11] <popey> nice
[17:11] <akgraner> go for it after the last session today then
[17:12] <kim0> I wonder if LP would let me get a person's email ?
[17:12] <akgraner> then at UDS show me how you did it
[17:12] <akgraner> not if it is blocked
[17:12] <popey> kim0: yes, if they let you
[17:12] <akgraner> you can only get the public ones
[17:12] <kim0> is the default open ?
[17:12] <popey> dont think so
[17:12] <popey> many people dont show theirs
[17:12] <popey> but there is a "contact this user" button
[17:12] <kim0> then we're kinda doomed
[17:12] <vish> popey¦ cool! i need access :)
[17:12] <popey> if they're members though, you can get it
[17:13] <akgraner> but you can only send 3 people in 24 hours
[17:13] <popey> their launchpad ID @ubuntu.com :)
[17:13] <akgraner> after that LP locks you out
[17:13] <akgraner> ask me how I know
[17:13] <JFo> heh
[17:13] <kim0> akgraner: if you just get the irc nick .. is that useful ?
[17:13] <popey> sending JFo some viagra spam again akgraner ?
[17:13] <kim0> hehe
[17:13] <akgraner> and I filled a bug - it got closed then I reopened it and went round and round about it
[17:14] <popey> of course if someone hides their address one should respect that
[17:14] <akgraner> kim0 I don't like pm'ing people I don't know personally
[17:14] <kim0> I don't know how to get around the LP limitations
[17:14] <akgraner> I wasn't asking to get their addresses  - I was just asking to email more than 3 people in a day
[17:14] <popey> hmm, should do a referral scheme
[17:15] <popey> get people to refer other people to do the survey
[17:15] <popey> and reward people who refer most
[17:15] <popey> i.e. get other people to do the spamming for you :D
[17:15]  * kim0 afk
[17:15] <akgraner> popey, if you make that happen please do :-)
[17:15] <popey> heh
[17:20] <akgraner> ok just tweeted, dented, and FB'd the survey - can you all pass only the word
[17:24] <popey> tbh I didn't even know there was a survey going on
[17:25] <popey> so there is a bit of marketing fail there :)
[17:25] <akgraner> dpm, ScottL logs for your sessions are up links are on the following pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekMaverick/  -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:26] <dpm> \o/ thanks akgraner!
[17:26] <jcastro> < charlie-tca> sebsebseb: missed you last session
[17:26] <jcastro> hah
[17:26] <nigelb> jcastro: strange
[17:26] <nigelb> I just talked to somone who's pissed at that guy
[17:26] <nigelb> well, not so strange apparently
[17:27] <jcastro> nigelb: I think he was joking
[17:27] <popey> nigelb: how so?
[17:27] <nigelb> jcastro: dang, I read that as "missed your session" as a kick in his shin
[17:28] <nigelb> popey: far too many people pissed at him :/
[17:28] <popey> heh
[17:28] <popey> he's young
[17:28] <popey> it happens
[17:28]  * nigelb isn't glad about what he did during Xubuntu session
[17:29] <nigelb> If it wasn't when I was packing up to go home, I would have talked to irc council
[17:29] <pleia2> akgraner: fwiw, the ubuntuclassroom twitter account tweets sessions, might save you some effort to retweet them :)
[17:29] <akgraner> jcastro, will you be around for a few?  I need to run to my moms house right quick
[17:29] <nigelb> akgraner: I will be around for  afew :)
[17:29] <jcastro> y
[17:29] <pleia2> (oh, identi.ca too)
[17:30] <akgraner> pleia2, DOH  - I always forget that part
[17:30] <akgraner> thanks
[17:30] <akgraner> ok stepping away for a few  - thanks nigelb and jcastro
[17:42] <duanedesign> jcastro: i have sent out some emails to get  information re:communityReview-beginners
[17:43] <duanedesign> jcastro: i have gotten a coupl responses. Should I FWD them to you, or add info to wiki?
[18:28] <jcastro> jono: you were right, 4 rooms too many, fixed.
[18:30] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[18:30] <jono> jcastro, what is the current on IS landing the changes?
[18:34] <jcastro> jono: I am actually just now leaving for lunch
[18:34] <jcastro> I'll check with daviey in a bit
[18:37] <jono> thanks jcastro
[18:57] <nisshh> jono, is there ever going to be another UDS outside of Europe/USA?
[18:58] <jono> nisshh, not planned right no
[18:58] <jono> w
[18:58] <nisshh> jono, that sucks for us aussies :(
[19:03] <jono> nisshh, yeah
[19:04] <jono> nisshh, do loads of great ubuntu work and you could get sponsored :)
[19:06] <jcastro> jono: ticket just got resolved (just got the mail)
[19:06] <jcastro> jono: now we're good
[19:06] <jono> jcastro, sweet
[19:07] <jono> jcastro, site looks the same
[19:07] <jcastro> he hasn't pushed yet
[19:07] <jcastro> the permissions bits have been sorted with IS
[19:07] <doctormo> Wow everything looks so small after dealing with 800x600 for 3 days.
[19:08] <doctormo> Info warning: My problem with nvidia was caused by the 2.6.35 kernel, downgrading to 2.6.32 (lucid) kernel allows me to have the nvidia driver loading. Some weird kernel bug.
[19:09] <nisshh> jono, well, i would have applied for UDS-N but my parents don't agree with me being into computers :(
[19:09] <nisshh> even though im legally allowed to make my own decisions
[19:10] <jcastro> maco: or Technoviking: you can unsticky the openweek thread in the forums, thanks for your help!
[19:12] <doctormo> nisshh: How old are you and which country are you in?
[19:12] <nisshh> doctormo, 19, in australia
[19:12] <JFo> doctormo, interesting
[19:12] <doctormo> nisshh: Should be ok :-) unless you live at home.
[19:12] <JFo> doctormo, have you filed me a bug? :-P
[19:12] <nisshh> doctormo, yep, live at home, broke currently :|
[19:14] <nisshh> doctormo, i really do hope to get to UDS eventually :)
[19:16] <jcastro> nisshh: you just missed us, we were there in 2005.
[19:16]  * jcastro grins
[19:16] <doctormo> nisshh: UDS is a good event, hard work though.
[19:16] <JFo> very
[19:17] <JFo> I fully expect to me (more) worthless after UDS
[19:17] <JFo> more as in more than normal ;)
[19:17] <nisshh> jcastro, yea i know, i didnt start using Ubuntu until end of 2008 though
[19:18] <nisshh> doctormo, so ive heard :)
[19:18] <doctormo> JFo: Could you repeat that? I didn't understand.
[19:18] <jono> JFo, looking forward to seeing you, bro
[19:18] <JFo> doctormo, due to the tough work we do at UDS
[19:18] <JFo> jono, you know it :-)
[19:18] <nisshh> jcastro, im on the west coast of au, so that wouldnt have worked anyway :|
[19:18] <jono> JFo, "train roll on"
[19:19] <JFo> jono, I miss you when you are away
[19:19] <JFo> we have another one
[19:19] <JFo> called 30 Days in the Hole
[19:19] <JFo> it is an old Humble Pie song
[19:19] <nisshh> JFo, don't get all emotional on us here, it's after midnight :)
[19:19] <JFo> I think you'll love it
[19:19] <nisshh> for me anyway
[19:19] <JFo> nisshh, I'm an emotional person :)
[19:20] <nisshh> JFo, i see :O
[19:20] <JFo> heh
[19:20] <JFo> doctormo, or were you asking me to repeat the bug question ;-)
[19:21] <doctormo> JFo: No, that's on it's way (second bug report)
[19:21] <JFo> ah, excellent :)
[19:21] <JFo> thank you
[19:21] <JFo> doctormo, let me know the number once you have it
[19:21] <JFo> please and thank you
[19:24] <dpm> ok, have a great weekend everyone!
[19:24] <jcastro> cya david!
[19:24] <jcastro> nice job this morning!
[19:24] <JFo> see ya dpm
[19:24] <JFo> :)
[19:25] <doctormo> JFo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/661394
[19:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661394 in linux (Ubuntu) "Compal/nvidia breakage in system76 laptops (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:25] <dpm> see ya jcastro, JFo, enjoy the WE!
[19:26] <JFo> thanks doctormo
[19:26] <doctormo> jono: Are you looking forward to seeing me again?
[19:26] <jono> doctormo, not really
[19:26] <jono> lol
[19:26] <jono> j/k
[19:26] <jcastro> nor me
[19:26] <jono> doctormo, that's an odd question
[19:26] <jcastro> oh I thought you meant JFo
[19:26] <jono> kind of creeped out right now
[19:27] <doctormo> jono: lol, I figured you had a list of people you wanted to twitter ecstatically about being able to rock out with at UDS.
[19:27] <jcastro> doctormo: I look forward to seeing you
[19:27] <jcastro> JFo, not as much
[19:27] <jono> doctormo, erm, not really :)
[19:27]  * doctormo wanted to make sure the list was updated ;-)
[19:27] <jcastro> JFo: Dan, come up here, and bring your knife
[19:28] <JFo> lol
[19:28] <jono> I want to hug JFo
[19:28] <jono> my little pookie-bear
[19:28]  * JFo needs some jono huggies
[19:28]  * nisshh is now creeped out
[19:28] <JFo> Oy he's a good little piggy
[19:28] <JFo> :)
[19:29] <nisshh> make that very creeped out :)
[19:29] <JFo> lol
[19:29] <JFo> jono I am bringing the turntables to UDS
[19:29] <jono> lol, doctormo is cool, he doesnt creep people out
[19:29] <jono> I was just kidding
[19:29] <jono> JFo, I am going to wear a cap sideways
[19:29] <JFo> hahahahaha
[19:30] <JFo> I've been looking all over for a bacon print tuxedo for you
[19:30] <doctormo> nisshh: You don't really have reason, I haven't drawn you yet.
[19:30] <jono> lol
[19:30] <JFo> everybody has them as a joke, but I want the real deal :)
[19:30] <nisshh> heh
[19:31] <doctormo> JFo: Would that look like a butchers smock?
[19:31] <JFo> doctormo, no, it is actually a tuxedo with silk screened bacon on it
[19:31] <JFo> looks awesome
[19:31] <JFo> would look ever funnier (and ironic) on jono
[19:32] <JFo> err Mr Bacon
[19:32] <JFo> :)
[19:32] <nisshh> JFo, thanks for the mental picture :)
[19:32] <JFo> nisshh, :)
[19:32] <JFo> http://www.mcphee.com/shop/pages/Bacon-Tuxedo.html
[19:32] <JFo> there it is ^^
[19:33] <nisshh> JFo, haha
[19:33]  * nisshh washes his eyes out
[19:34] <doctormo> Mine is Owens, should I buy leeks and spin them? hmmm. Last names.
[19:34] <jcastro> jono: perms fixed, moving on now!
[19:35] <jono> jcastro, cool, glad Charlie could help
[19:35] <jono> he was really responsive
[19:35]  * jcastro sees light at the end of the tunnel
[19:35] <jono> :)
[19:35] <jcastro> jono: did I tell you what daviey did to me yesterday?
[19:35] <jcastro> he pm's me with "we're screwed, I hear they want to get rid of the new track idea and revert everything back to the old desktop, server, etc."
[19:36] <JFo> lol
[19:36] <jcastro> I broke down into tears
[19:36] <JFo> jcastro, I bet you had a heart attack
[19:36] <jcastro> then he was like "haha jk"
[19:36] <JFo> oh man
[19:36] <JFo> you have to get him back at UDS
[19:36] <doctormo> jcastro: Were you like "I punch you because jcastro said so!"
[19:36]  * JFo devises a plan
[19:37]  * JFo heads to jcastro... AND BRINGS HIS KNIFE
[19:37] <JFo> whoops
[19:37] <jcastro> he waited just long enough for me to be duped
[19:37] <JFo> clickey the wrong key
[19:37] <JFo> sbt
[19:37] <jcastro> but not too long where I would have done something rash
[19:37] <jcastro> he basically hit the troll "golden zone"
[19:38] <JFo> heh
[19:38] <JFo> that may require a reward of some kind
[19:43] <nisshh> heh, this has got to be the best channel on freenode :)
[19:43] <duanedesign> Technoviking: jcastro unstuck the openWeek thread
[19:44] <duanedesign> hey jcastro did you catch my message re:community review
[19:45] <jcastro> no I didn't
[19:45] <jcastro> duanedesign: fwd me what you have!
[19:46] <duanedesign> ok :)
[19:48] <doctormo> Looks like we're ready to release Ubunchu Chapter 07, thanks everyone for your reviews.
[19:51] <maco> jcastro: you said on meta.u.se that porting the stackapplet to appindicators would make it work in kde too, and thats been done, but when i look inside that package i dont see anything installing into /usr/bin/ so how am i supposed to run it?
[19:54] <jcastro> no clue
[19:54] <jcastro> ask George in chat
[19:54] <jcastro> in gnome there's a menu entry in accessories
[19:54] <jcastro> I think it's just a python script
[19:55] <jcastro> maco: I don't think he's very experienced making linux apps, help here would be appreciated
[19:55] <maco> accessories?
[19:55] <jcastro> maco: also, #ubuntu-stack. :)
[19:55] <jcastro> yeah, applications -> accessories
[19:55] <maco> oh applications -> accessories, i get it
[19:55] <maco> how? there's not even a .desktop file!
[19:56] <maco> hmmm how recent is the one you're using?
[19:56] <maco> maverick's version is from early august
[19:57] <jcastro> oh
[19:57] <jcastro> the one in maverick is a gnome applet
[19:57] <jcastro> the one in lp is appindicator enabled
[19:57] <jcastro> maco: there's a KDE one somewhere iirc
[19:57] <maco> yeah i tried it and posted a reply to it pointing out that it does naught but crash. no response.
[19:58] <jcastro> posted a reply to it?
[19:59] <maco> http://stackapps.com/questions/117/stacktray-the-stackoverflow-tray-application
[20:03] <maco> jcastro: might want to put a note in your blog post that the one in the maverick repos isnt the same?
[20:05] <doctormo> jcastro, jono etc can you retweet: http://twitter.com/realdoctormo
[20:08] <jcastro> maco: yeah when I get some time
[20:08] <jcastro> or leave a comment and I'll get back to it
[20:21] <doctormo> please?
[20:22] <paultag> I love G++! It has such amazing error messages. So clear and to the point! http://pastebin.com/f9nUbARt
[20:25] <doctormo> paultag: Did you cat puke on the keyboard again?
[20:26] <paultag> doctormo, I'm very allergic to cats :(
[20:26] <paultag> doctormo, but yes, that's what it looks like
[20:27] <doctormo> paultag: Perhaps G++ is too
[20:27] <paultag> doctormo, it's like it was meant to be computer-readable. But then threw in human digest-able inconsistencies so that neither one can read it
[20:27] <paultag> so you have to look for little bits that you remember
[20:27] <paultag> and then go oh yeah, that's what it is
[20:27] <doctormo> This is why we stick to Haskel in the Ubuntu universe.
[20:38] <paultag> BOO!!!
[20:44] <jcastro> jono: almost there (fixes landed)
[20:44] <jcastro> jono: needs color
[20:52] <jcastro> duanedesign: OH. Those things.
[20:52] <jcastro> dude, THANK YOU
[20:52] <jcastro> I am so behind on those it's not even funny
[20:53] <paultag> jcastro, beginners team stuff?
[20:53] <jcastro> ya
[20:53] <paultag> jcastro, dude just delegate
[20:53] <paultag> jcastro, we got tons of people on the bt, just offload on someone who's not me
[20:54] <jcastro> I believe I sent a mail paultag
[20:54] <jcastro> :p
[20:54] <paultag> jcastro, well excuse me
[20:54] <paultag> :)
[20:54] <jcastro> no worries, it's on -bt
[20:54] <paultag> aye
[20:54] <jcastro> the more the better
[20:54] <jcastro> paultag: especially students. :)
[20:55] <paultag> jcastro, I graduate in under a year, you better start getting off that mindset, champ
[20:55] <paultag> jcastro, I have a beard, damnit
[20:55] <paultag> :P
[20:55] <jcastro> heh
[20:56] <paultag> dude, I have so much to do. I have to finish figuring out the last classes I need to graduate and then find a job
[20:56] <paultag> the last thing I want to do right now is anything that has to do with real life
[20:58] <paultag> time to get some food. love ya'll.
[21:03] <duanedesign> jcastro: i have some more coming
[21:04] <jcastro> duanedesign: yeah!
[21:04] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-25/
[21:04] <jcastro> it's coming together folks!
[21:05] <duanedesign> oh wow. I am so excited.
[21:09] <akgraner> jcastro, will there be any *extra* rooms that I can highjack for interviews
[21:09] <akgraner> or do I just have to scope it out on Monday morning
[21:10] <akgraner> I'm trying to schedule them in advance so people aren't standing around waiting and I'm not grabbing people last minute and they aren't prepared
[21:11] <akgraner> jcastro, just shared my list with you
[21:12] <jcastro> oh hey
[21:12] <jcastro> that reminds me
[21:12] <jcastro> akgraner: what's the gear situation?
[21:13] <jcastro> are you bringing your own or will you reuse our cameras?
[21:13] <akgraner> I'll have my own but was hoping that if the crew who was there last time will be there they can record some of them
[21:14] <akgraner> you know like Mark, Jane, Platform team etc
[21:14] <akgraner> and the others I'll have my camera Tripod and mic
[21:15] <akgraner> and Jamie said he would bring a camera too
[21:16] <jcastro> we should have plenty
[21:16] <jcastro> akgraner: please remind me on sunday night so we can hand it over right away
[21:16] <czajkowski> akgraner: doing the survey for UOw and wondering is it the right link as it's asking about sessions i attended and just thought it would be more focused on would or did presenters find it useful
[21:16] <akgraner> jcastro, can do
[21:17] <akgraner> yep - I could only ask 10 questions and didn't have time to do 2 separate surveys
[21:17] <czajkowski> the survey is inda catered towards members of the community who took part
[21:17] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[21:18] <akgraner> I'll update the surveys when I update my survey monkey account
[21:19] <akgraner> for next cycle :-) the pro account is $200 per year so I gotta budget for that
[21:22] <JFo> akgraner, the package is in my possession. :)
[21:23] <akgraner> JFo, great! thank you!
[21:24] <JFo> no sweat
[21:30] <doctormo> akgraner: $200? Pay me $200 and I'll make you some survey software.
[21:30] <akgraner> :-)  I can get mad a strangers and yell at them and demand things  - I can't do that with people I know
[21:31] <akgraner> hence why I try not to do business with family or friends
[21:31] <czajkowski> hah
[21:31] <czajkowski> I bet
[21:31] <akgraner> you all only get the nice me ;-)  99.9% of the time
[21:31] <doctormo> akgraner: lol, this is an example of why FOSS doesn't work. We just can't get the commissioning business off the ground.
[21:32] <jcastro> doctormo: she's saying she doesn't because she knows you
[21:32] <akgraner> doctormo, I have paid people to work on FOSS things for me - just not my friends
[21:32] <jcastro> not because it's foss
[21:32] <JFo> let me tell you, you do not want the not nice akgraner
[21:32] <doctormo> jcastro: I thought we were here to be friends and do fossy things?
[21:32]  * JFo gets fossy
[21:33] <doctormo> Or does one preclude the other... because that might explain a lot.
[21:33] <akgraner> doctormo, it's my personal policy not to do busy with family or friends - nothing to do with FOSS
[21:33] <akgraner> business even
[21:34] <doctormo> akgraner: I got you to admit your my friend! Mwhaha.
[21:34]  * doctormo understands
[21:34] <akgraner> :-)
[21:34] <jcastro> akgraner: http://www.limesurvey.org/
[21:34]  * akgraner looks
[21:34] <jcastro> do note that that software doesn't even come close to passing the security team's review
[21:34] <jcastro> which is why we don't use it
[21:34] <jcastro> GNOME uses it though
[21:35] <doctormo> why PHP! Why!
[21:35] <doctormo> Django, pylons, anything else, just not PHP
[21:36] <akgraner> jcastro, oooh looks cool...
[21:39] <doctormo> jcastro: could you retweet my ubunchu release news?
[21:40] <jcastro> doctormo: I'll pass this time dude, I'm not into anime.
[21:40] <jcastro> unless it's dragonball
[21:40] <doctormo> abridged or not abridged? Although this is manga not anime and it's also about Ubuntu.
[21:41] <jcastro> din din, I'll be around in a bit
[21:55] <akgraner> off to play band mom - homecoming football game :-)
[22:39] <jono> jcastro, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/661478
[22:39] <jono> :-)
[22:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661478 in summit "Determine track based on blueprint title. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:47] <jcastro> jono: you're supposed to click "this bug affects you" for a +1
[22:48] <jcastro> but I won't tell anyone
[22:48] <jcastro> vish: HAY BUGCONTROL LOOK HERE ^
[22:48] <jcastro> jono: ok, we're in great shape, last bit is the room # top thing but that's filed
[22:49] <jcastro> surely Daviey is passed out by now
[22:49] <jcastro> <--- EOD
[22:49] <jcastro> have a good weekend everyone
[22:56] <jono> lol
[22:57] <jono> jcastro, great work, pal
[22:57] <jono> have a great weekend!
[23:09] <doctormo> jono: Know anyone in the ubuntu community who will retweet Ubuchu 7?
[23:10] <jono> doctormo, send it out with an #ubuntu tag and I am sure it will get re-tweeted :)
[23:10] <doctormo> There are tags in twitter?
[23:15] <nhandler> doctormo: #ubuntu (the # makes it a tag)
[23:17] <doctormo> thanks nhandler, this whole proprietary twitter thing is all greek to me.
[23:17] <paultag> doctormo, it's the same on identica
[23:17] <nhandler> doctormo: The tags work the same on identi.ca
[23:18] <paultag> hey nhandler, can I squeeze a quick review of a package I just hacked up?
[23:18] <doctormo> paultag: That social thing I never use ;-)
[23:18] <paultag> doctormo, :)
[23:19] <paultag> nhandler, I'm trying to get more better with my packaging


[00:23] <bazhang> python has a distro?
[00:23] <Pici> http://polyboxos.schreiberstein.de/wp/ perhaps
[00:23] <rww> Of course he does. All the best annoying #ubuntu people do.
[00:41] <ikonia> another new linux distro
[00:41] <ikonia> what a total joke
[00:41] <ikonia> these fools who change one package and call it their own distro or update 1 package version
[07:54] <bazhang> * [lsheeba] (~klozar@auh-as52217.alshamil.net.ae): alRomaithi
[08:50] <elky> context?
[08:50] <bazhang> muted, admitted to being multiple nicks with same issue in PM, ranting excessively in #ubuntu
[08:51] <bazhang> just exited channel after calmer PM
[10:07] <Stockholm_Angel> im banned from #ubuntu
[10:07] <Stockholm_Angel> :(
[10:07] <Stockholm_Angel> why
[10:08] <oCean> You don't remember?
[10:10] <oCean> Stockholm_Angel: ^ that was an actual question
[10:11] <Stockholm_Angel> no
[10:12] <Stockholm_Angel> no  reason was given
[10:12] <oCean> When did it happen?
[10:16] <oCean> Stockholm_Angel: it seems you have no intention to resolve this issue. You can leave this channel now, and return in a couple of hours to see if the OP that removed you is available
[10:20] <oCean> Stockholm_Angel: There is a no-idling policy here, so please /part this channel
[10:22] <Stockholm_Angel> Sorry oCean
[10:22] <Stockholm_Angel> I have got kids
[10:22] <Stockholm_Angel> They where crying
[10:22] <Stockholm_Angel> this morning i think
[10:25] <oCean> Stockholm_Angel: It's not my ban, and the OP that did remove you is not currently available - you can return in a couple of hours.
[10:29] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, no idea why you were banned?
[10:29] <bazhang> #ubuntu: 2011-07-22T19:46:57 <Stockholm_Angel> TURN ON THE NEWS NOW huge explosion and attack in norway
[10:33] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, please respond
[10:33] <Stockholm_Angel> Yeah and? 80 kids died. it was important
[10:34] <Stockholm_Angel> they where shot dead
[10:34] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, not anything to do with ubuntu support at all.
[10:34] <Stockholm_Angel> sorry
[10:34] <bazhang> so why post it
[10:35] <Stockholm_Angel> i thought i was posting in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:35] <Stockholm_Angel> Sorry
[10:35] <Stockholm_Angel> was an error
[10:36] <Stockholm_Angel> i live with a computer engineer who NEEDS the channel
[10:37] <Stockholm_Angel> PLEASE unban this hst mark
[10:37] <Stockholm_Angel> If you MUST ban me then ban me on nick alone
[10:37] <bazhang> ?
[10:38] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, what would banning by nick do?
[10:40] <bazhang> !guidelines | Stockholm_Angel
[10:40] <bazhang> !coc | Stockholm_Angel
[10:41] <Stockholm_Angel> It would allow the peron who needs #ubuntu for buisiness to use it
[10:41] <Stockholm_Angel> it was an error bazhang
[10:41] <Stockholm_Angel> genuinly
[10:41] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, ban evasion?
[10:41] <Stockholm_Angel> I wouldnt
[10:41] <Stockholm_Angel> couldnt
[10:41] <Stockholm_Angel> its against the law here
[10:42] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, I'm uncertain to remove the ban for you in #ubuntu at this time, you seem to have a history of not following the guidelines in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:42] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, please read them above, as well as the code of conduct
[10:42] <Stockholm_Angel> bazhang: i do follow the guidelines of ubuntu-offtopic
[10:43] <Stockholm_Angel> ok somtimes i dont, mostly i do
[10:43] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, the logs indicate otherwise
[10:51] <bazhang> Stockholm_Angel, please don't idle here.
 Does anyone know what SOnos player is?
 excuse me can I use the  alien starship whit ubuntu?
[12:14] <bazhang> * [I_L_Microsoft] (~moreno@<IP_ADDRESS>): Moreno   jaaaaaack from yesterday
[12:18] <oCean> alien_go was moreno also
[12:19] <bazhang> yeppers
[12:31] <oCean> bazhang: I have him in pm
[12:31] <oCean> lord_thingy that is
[12:31] <bazhang> heh
[12:31] <bazhang> for an atheist he's protesting a lot
 i can change ip and nick :D
[12:32] <bazhang> from PM
[12:36] <oCean> lord_underworld in pm: whatever, i thought i was doing something good
[12:36] <bazhang> moreno came back as merda
[12:36] <oCean> bazhang: merda
[12:36] <oCean> oh
[12:37] <bazhang> oCean, not criticizing you, sorry if I gave that impression
[12:37] <oCean> bazhang: huh?, I had no such impression.
[12:37] <oCean> oh wait, that was *his* reply to me
[12:38] <bazhang> oCean, ah ha!
[12:38] <bazhang> without context the bazhang: merda would be quite humorous
[12:38] <oCean> I pointed out that -ops was the channel to report abuse and when asked to stop he should stop. ^^ That was his reply
[12:38] <oCean> right
[12:39] <oCean> I see that now :)
[13:15] <bazhang> unity uses compiz afaik, as does unity-2d
[14:11] <popey> nope
[14:11] <popey> unity is a compiz plugin
[14:11] <popey> unity-2d doesn't use compiz
[14:12] <Myrtti> did you guys notice that
[14:13] <oCean> oooh you found something
[14:13] <oCean> I *saw* it, but did not *notice* it :(
[14:19] <Myrtti> I still have the skillz
[14:47] <mrmist> he did indeed.
[16:51] <Myrtti> Pici: you've got fans
[18:04] <oCean> BadtotheBone21, hi there
[18:04] <BadtotheBone21> Hi
[18:05] <oCean> what can we do for you?
[18:05] <BadtotheBone21> sorry wrong channel
[18:06] <BadtotheBone21> but hey where can i get a good music p2p program for linu?
[18:06] <BadtotheBone21> linux/
[18:06] <BadtotheBone21> ?
[23:05] <bazhang> probably the "engineer" that needed access to #ubuntu so badly
[23:07] <bazhang> * [derp] (troll@2a01:270:2050:1337::117): Piss off!   <-- thought he was banned
[23:08] <rww> IP address changed, will fix.
[23:11] <bazhang> * [derpyshitty] (434744c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>): bas7-montrealak-1128744132.dsl.bell.ca/<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:11] <bazhang> wonder who
[23:14] <rww> hah, they just /joined #ubuntu-unregged and tried to get exempted.


[02:08] <dcenter> hello everyone.  I was wondering if anyone in here is familiar with hdmi output in dell studio 1535 running ubuntu 12.10
[02:40] <duanedesign> hello dcenter
[08:17] <Tanbir> hi everybidy
[08:17] <Tanbir> everybody
[08:18] <Tanbir> i want to learn ubuntu
[08:18] <Tanbir> but where to start
[08:21] <kalenjohnson> Tanbir, have you installed or tried running Ubuntu yet?
[18:50] <havok> Sorry to bust in like this, but I'm worried I messed up my install. I am just trying Ubuntu for the first time.
[18:50] <havok> I started by attempting to install Google Chrome
[18:51] <havok> By following the guide online
[18:51] <havok> sudo dpkg -i google-chrome*
[18:51] <havok> Didn't work
[18:52] <havok> and when I used sudo apt-get install -f it did SOMETHING, but I'm not sure what
[19:02] <havok> And frankly, I'm lost in what I nee to do to get linux running- there are so many guides, but some are quite old, others are for the wrong istro. Any advice where I can find a good place to get my feet wet?
[19:07] <holstein> havok: well, think about it this way.. what did you come from? windows?
[19:07] <havok> Win7
[19:07] <holstein> havok: but, when did you start using windows? xp? around 2002 or so?
[19:08] <havok> Oh, XP was on the first computer I built for myself, so that's an appropriate answer
[19:08] <holstein> my point is.. think about how long you used windows "as-is".. and how long it was til you installed another piece of software
[19:08] <holstein> you are landing in an operating system and expecting to be a pro
[19:08] <holstein> that being said.. open a terminal
[19:08] <havok> OK
[19:08] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove google-chrome
[19:09] <holstein> copy/past that and hit enter
[19:09] <holstein> havok: then run this..
[19:09] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:09] <havok> Wait
[19:09] <holstein> see that no errors are listed there
[19:10] <havok> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:10] <havok> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[19:10] <holstein> havok: you need to close other package managers
[19:10] <holstein> havok: do this.. close *everything* else
[19:10] <havok> Oh
[19:10] <holstein> havok: open only a terminal and whatever you are using for chat if its the same machine
[19:10] <havok> Well, I think I'm updaing all my software
[19:11] <holstein> havok: you think?
[19:11] <holstein> havok: dont cancel it
[19:11] <havok> Heh- I feel like I should have a notepad for everything I've tried to do, and yet everything has failed
[19:11] <holstein> havok: come here *before* doing anything
[19:11] <holstein> havok: right.. com here *first*
[19:11] <havok> Well, that's what started this all
[19:12] <holstein> havok: worst case, you need to reinstall.. not a big deal.. takes like 8 minutes to install ubuntu
[19:12] <havok> I was trying to connect using Empathy, but it wouldn't open IRC stuff
[19:12] <holstein> "open irc stuff"?
[19:13] <havok> SO, I looked it up on the net and found I needed to install telepathy-idle
[19:13] <havok> Sorry, I'm not at all competent with IRC.
[19:13] <holstein> you mean, empathy wouldnt open weblinks in a browser automatically?
[19:13] <havok> My jargon will be shameful, no doubt
[19:13] <holstein> havok: sure. i just dont know what that means
[19:13] <holstein> "open irc stuff"
[19:14] <havok> I wanted to connect to the Ubuntu IRC help channel
[19:14] <havok> On the website, it said the default Ubuntu IRC client was Empathy
[19:14] <holstein> havok: if you ask me, just install xchat and use it for chat
[19:14] <havok> Through the software manager?
[19:14] <holstein> OR, the freenode webchat.. or a broswer plugin
[19:15] <holstein> havok: however you feel comfortable installing softwrae
[19:15] <holstein> software*
[19:15] <holstein> you cant do it now.. wait til the upgrade is complete
[19:15] <holstein> "sudo apt-get install xchat"
[19:15] <havok> What does the apt-get mean? and sudo?
[19:15] <holstein> we will fix your broken google chrome install first
[19:15] <havok> Oh, OK
[19:15] <holstein> !sudo
[19:16] <holstein> !apt
[19:16] <havok> Woah, cool
[19:16] <havok> ! is ....a definition request?
[19:16] <holstein> sudo meant "make me root to have permission to do the following", apt-get install is basically "this is what i want to install" and xchat is the package name
[19:16] <holstein> !info xchat
[19:17] <holstein> !help
[19:17] <holstein> havok: the ! asks the bot.. its handy for links
[19:17] <havok> Huh- I thought it was a bot, but now, I'm "IRC client for X" What is "X"?
[19:18] <holstein> !xorg
[19:19] <havok> Sorry, my brain's trying to sort all this out :P
[19:20] <holstein> havok: well, dont worry about x.. you dont need to know what every little thing is right now.. you neeed to get your system back to stable, and get the tools you apparenly immediately need/want, and you can go from there
[19:20] <havok> This update has been taking a long while.. it's still "applying changes"
[19:20] <havok> But the progress bar is moving
[19:21] <holstein> havok: it will take as long as it takes to download a bunch of packages.. first one usually takes a while
[19:21] <havok> Oh, an all in one thing- Well, now it's saying it needs to restart, so brb
[19:27] <havok> OK, I have no idea what updates were installed, but I'm back
[19:28] <holstein> havok: you should read about them *before* installing them.. but.. open a terminal and type
[19:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove googld-chrome
[19:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get autoremove google-chrome
[19:28] <havok> Well, you're unarguably right there :(
[19:29] <havok> [sudo] password for havok:
[19:29] <havok> Reading package lists... Done
[19:29] <havok> Building dependency tree
[19:29] <havok> Reading state information... Done
[19:29] <havok> Package 'google-chrome' is not installed, so not removed
[19:29] <havok> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[19:29] <havok>   libnss3-1d libxss1 linux-headers-3.5.0-17
[19:29] <havok> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:29] <havok> After this operation, 58.8 MB disk space will be freed.
[19:29] <havok> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[19:29] <holstein> hit n, and enter
[19:29] <holstein> then, run...
[19:29] <holstein> gksudo gdebi-gtk
[19:30] <havok> oh, crap
[19:30] <havok> I apready y'd
[19:30] <holstein> you will navigate to the *.deb file that you downloaded
[19:30] <holstein> havok: no worries.. just *dont* do that in the future
[19:31] <havok> Ok, why would it uninstall something else if I told it to uninstall chrome?
[19:31] <holstein> havok: autoremove
[19:32] <havok> ...
[19:32] <havok> !autoremove
[19:32] <holstein> its like a "cleanup" command
[19:32] <holstein> anyways, run that other one, and lets get chrome installed
[19:33] <havok> what about  libnss3-1d libxss1 linux-headers-3.5.0-17 ? Did I remove them?
[19:35] <holstein> havok: yes.. they are "un-needed".. though i would have left them.. dont worry about it now
[19:37] <havok> OK, I imput gksudo gdebi-gtk, and nothing happened
[19:38] <holstein> havok: something should have opened
[19:38] <holstein> no?
[19:39] <havok> NOt that I see- It just went to the next line
[19:39] <holstein> havok: close everything again, and open a terminal back up
[19:39] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xchat gdebi-gtk
[19:39] <havok> Leave IRC up?
[19:39] <holstein> havok: yes. leave IRC open
[19:40] <havok> Reading package lists... Done
[19:40] <havok> Building dependency tree
[19:40] <havok> Reading state information... Done
[19:40] <havok> E: Unable to locate package gdebi-gtk
[19:40] <havok> havok@ubuntu:~$
[19:41] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xchat
[19:41] <havok> havok@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install xchat
[19:41] <havok> Reading package lists... Done
[19:41] <havok> Building dependency tree
[19:41] <havok> Reading state information... Done
[19:41] <havok> The following extra packages will be installed:
[19:41] <havok>   libsexy2 tcl8.5 xchat-common
[19:41] <havok> Suggested packages:
[19:41] <havok>   tcl-tclreadline
[19:41] <havok> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[19:41] <havok>   libsexy2 tcl8.5 xchat xchat-common
[19:41] <havok> 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:41] <havok> Need to get 2,621 kB of archives.
[19:41] <havok> After this operation, 8,039 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:41] <havok> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[19:42] <holstein> havok: you dont need to, and shouldnt paste here
[19:42] <holstein> !paste | havok
[19:42] <holstein> havok: just give me the errors
[19:42] <holstein> but, yes, hit y
[19:42] <holstein> then.. sudo apt-get install gdebi
[19:44] <havok> hit y again at the prompt?
[19:44] <holstein> yes
[19:44] <holstein> then... gksudo gdebi-gtk
[19:45] <havok> OK, I *THINK* they're both installed
[19:45] <havok> OK
[19:45] <holstein> navigate to the .deb for google chrome you downloaded, and install
[19:45] <havok> A package installer opened
[19:48] <havok> Installation complete- I think
[19:48] <holstein> you can close everything, and look in your menu for chrome and xchat
[19:49] <holstein> i would use the system as much "as-is" as possible for a bit
[19:49] <holstein> i would keep your data backed up, and be preparded to break something, and have to reinstall
[19:49] <holstein> i would consider running a "testing" installation in virtualbox or VM somewhere to try things out in
[19:50] <holstein> i would have a different user account for testing
[19:50] <havok> Oh
[19:50] <havok> Why?
[19:50] <holstein> havok: if you are prompeted for a password, you need to ask your self "what is going on here.. did i ask for this? do i need this? what is happening?".. anytime you put in a sudo password you can really break things
[19:51] <holstein> i say that not to make you "afraid".. just knowlegable
[19:52] <holstein> havok: these are just easy ways to ensure you dont have a bad user experience
[19:52] <havok> Fair enough.
[19:54] <havok> OK, chrome is offiecially working, although it didn't sync my settings, checking out xfire
[19:55] <holstein> "it" will do whatever you set it up to do
[19:55] <holstein> again, i wouldnt worry about it too much right off
[19:55] <holstein> you literally just installed it 10 minutes ago
[20:00] <havok_> OK, I think I found the right channel in XFire- although I have a ways to go before I know what I'm doing
[20:02] <havok_> OK, I think this will be a much simpler question. I have an ACER that has a wifi card not in the default driver pack. How do I get drivers for it?
[20:02] <holstein> !broadcom
[20:02] <havok_> I believe they're proprietary, if that helps
[20:02] <holstein> ^^ thats usually what the card is
[20:02] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run "lspci" and look for the device and search
[20:03] <havok_> ... that's a big list
[20:03] <holstein> you can pastebin it if you need help, but there should be 2 that say anythingn about networking
[20:04] <havok_> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43227 802.11b/g/n
[20:05] <havok_> I believe that's it.
[20:05] <havok_> Online, it said to look at an additional rivers program.....
[20:05] <havok_> Drivers*
[20:07] <holstein> i usually try sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[20:08] <havok_> Oh, maybe it was Mint that allowed me to enable the proprietary drivers
[20:11] <holstein> havok_: no, mint would be using that *dame* driver
[20:11] <holstein> havok_: did it work?
[20:11] <holstein> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer ??
[20:11] <havok_> hmmm. The Site you linked said to go  System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers, but I installed Cinnamon, and I think it hid it
[20:12] <holstein> havok_: open a temrinal and type
[20:12] <holstein> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[20:12] <havok_> I was going down the page :P I hadn't gotten to the sudo you linke
[20:12] <holstein>  then hit enter
[20:13] <havok_> No chroot environment found. Starting normal installation
[20:13] <havok_> This card is actually not tested. Please install the driver manually.
[20:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:17] <havok_> Huh
[20:18] <havok_> Warning: No support for locale: en_US.utf8
[20:18] <havok_> That was the last line
[20:18] <havok_> Then waiting for imput again
[20:18] <holstein> havok_: any other errors?
[20:18] <holstein> havok_: that error is fine...
[20:18] <havok_> Although
[20:19] <havok_> Under Software Sources-->Additional drivers, it lists an alternate for my wireless card
[20:19] <holstein> havok_: thats the driver.. use it
[20:19] <holstein> havok_: should be there
[20:19] <havok_> OK, cool
[20:20] <havok_> OK, seeing if it works!
[20:21] <holstein> might need to reboot
[20:51] <havok> Also, when I'm looking to install wine, The closest i can find in the software center is Microsoft windows Compat. Layer (meta pack) Is this wine?
[21:42] <havok> Is there a good place to learn more about Ubuntu? To get my feet wet and start to understand what I'm doing?


[11:11] <lotuspsychje> something to test on FF snap, uploading an image from your local dir to somewhere, clicking your files by 'modified' makes something crash/apport
[11:21] <PaulW2U> lotuspsychje: I don't even get the upload dialog to test uploading :(
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> i tried a reboot, now i cant get ubuntu to apport anymore either, to see whats it about
[11:23] <PaulW2U> Too many problems with Firefox snap here. Now using version downloaded from Mozilla.
[11:25] <PaulW2U> Nothing happens at all using Firefox snap when I try to reproduce bug 1951210
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> i can reproduce what guiverc described
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> file:///tmp/lu106674rfg3.tmp/NewHelp0.html
[11:28] <PaulW2U> Must be something wrong with my installation
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> do you know how that new screenshot built-in UI is called for package, i want to file a wishlist bug
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> or maybe just file to gnome-shell?
[11:32] <PaulW2U> It's now builtin so any bugs should be filed against gnome-shell
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> the screenshot, has a launcher from start/applications, but it cant be moved to dock as regular launcher
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> so thats not really handy for novice users that never heared about a prt scr button right
[11:34] <PaulW2U> Search for 'Lock Screen' - that can't be pinned to Dock either
[11:35] <PaulW2U> 'Power off' and 'Suspend' too so may be intended behaviour?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> yeah, well lock screen we now got in indicators sections, so thats not too bad?
[11:35] <PaulW2U> True
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> allright, let me file it
[11:45] <mort> 22.04 is gonna ship with a segfaulting webkitgtk isn't it
[11:45] <lotuspsychje_> PaulW2U: bug #1966581
[11:46] <PaulW2U> Still not sure it's a bug, more of a 'Wishlist' item
[11:47] <lotuspsychje_> yes, you got admin powers to convert PaulW2U ?
[11:47] <PaulW2U> No, my application to Bug Control was never approved :(
[11:49] <lotuspsychje_> ok np, asked hggdh
[11:49] <PaulW2U> mort: bug 1966418 looks if it might be relevant
[11:50] <mort> bug 1961770 too
[11:51] <PaulW2U> ok, hadn't seen that one
[11:51] <mort> but it's still going on in the end of march, 22.04 is out next month, so it won't be fixed in time will it
[11:53] <PaulW2U> Don't know. Still a lot of gnome-shell and firefox bugs to fix as well.