[05:59] <medi> hay alguien que able castellano?
[05:59] <zooko> tigrux: I hack lots of my own apps.
[05:59] <zooko> I generally just use gnu stow and install my versions in /usr/local/stow/...
[05:59] <zenrox> this is anoying gnome has finised loading up my bars yet and i dont see my menus even yet
[06:00] <maximaus> elhinto5000, no, not at all, every now and then it gets carried away. Flash sound works fine for me out of the box, btw (Warty)
[06:00] <zenrox> has=hasnt
[06:00] <medi> alguien controla en programacion en entorno de terminales??
[06:00] <CarlK_> Keizer - reading that link
[06:00] <elhinto5000> max: exactly what package did you install for flash? or did you just do the install plugin button on firefox?
[06:01] <zooko> Hm.  These instructions for installing Sun's java 1.5 didn't work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[06:01] <maximaus> elhinto5000, I just grabbed the plugin from an old Fedora install and threw it in my ~.firefox/plugins folder and it worked.
[06:01] <elhinto5000> ok thanks
[06:01] <medi> please, any people can help me in a programation problem?
[06:01] <zenrox> zooko, follow this one www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:01] <tigrux> zooko: OK, but what about merging your patches to a deb, and recompiling. Is it easy?
[06:01] <zenrox> right thru to the pluging install too
[06:02] <zooko> These instructions didn't work either: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:02] <netventure> medi: what's the prob?
[06:02] <zooko> (I'm on a hoaryish amd64...)
[06:02] <zenrox> oh
[06:02] <zooko> tigrux: I've never compiled a .deb.  Well, actually I compile my kernel into debs...
[06:02] <zenrox> thats makes a difference
[06:02] <zooko> Oh wait -- I'm not going to get Sun's java going on amd64.  NEvermind.  :-{
[06:02] <elhinto5000> works if i kill esd
[06:02] <CarlK_> Keizer -woa... now lspci shows "Texas Instruments ACK 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface
[06:02] <elhinto5000> i hope after a reboot it works
[06:03] <zooko> elhinto5000: yes, I recently upgraded my hoary, and alsa sound stopped working.\
[06:03] <Burgundavia> elhinto5000: it is trying to access /dev/dsp I bet
[06:03] <elhinto5000> how do i change it?
[06:03] <zooko> the workaround was sudo kill esd before running something that used alsa sound.  :-/
[06:03] <medi> can i pass the info of an archive to a variable?
[06:03] <elhinto5000> :-\
[06:03] <zooko> I used to report things like this to debian bug tracker.
[06:03] <medi> sorry, but i speak reeeeally bad english
[06:03] <dts> how do i add entries to my applications menu?
[06:03] <medi> xD
[06:03] <zooko> I would do the same for ubuntu, but I haven't been able to report bugs successfully yet...
[06:03] <tigrux> zooko: For example, I modified gnome-speech to add it support for mexican Spanish. So i made my own rpm, modifying the one of Mandrake. I don't want to loss that flexibility, that's why I'm asking a lot. :-)
[06:04] <zooko> tigrux: Now I see what you want -- you want your hacked things to satisfy the dependency requirements of other packages.
[06:04] <CarlK_> Keizer - that page lists some steps that are what I did to add an Atmel card to a Warty install, so give it a shot
[06:04] <zooko> That's definitely doable -- people do that, but I don't.
[06:04] <zooko> Maybe a tool called "equivs" will help...
[06:06] <zooko> Why is ubuntuguide.org not something that I was previously introduced to via ubuntu.com?
[06:06] <dts> this can't be a hard question, how do i modify the applications menu?
[06:06] <zooko> Oh cool -- Sun's Java *is* compiled for Linux AMD64.
[06:07] <tigrux> zooko: Kind of, but I'm talking about creating your own patches. For example, mergeant didn't compile with gnome-db 1.2, then I created a patch for mergeant, and I uploaded my custom rpm to mandrake's incoming ftp, and it was commited. : )  That's the kind of flexibility I'm refering.
[06:07] <zenrox> with the amd64 ver of java zooko ?
[06:07] <xigle1> what version of hoary should I use to get as little trouble as possible regarding universe repository? ?
[06:08] <CarlK_> xigle1 - the latest ;)
[06:08] <bhna> xigle1> the latest ;-)
[06:08] <xiglet> CarlK_: Have tried preview and array 7, both fails
[06:09] <zooko> tigrux: I think you're talking about two different things: 1. your hacked package satisfies another package's dependencies, so that you are not required to install the original unhacked package in order to install the other one.  2. submitting patches to upstream to be included in new official releases.  IS that right?
[06:10] <tigrux> zooko: Or at least to a Contrib repository. Yes.
[06:10] <xiglet> guess I have to try debian or something then ... :-|
[06:11] <zooko> Hm.  So you're talking about a 3rd things-- sharing your packaged hacked apps for other people to use your packages.
[06:11] <zooko> That last thing is a bigger deal in RPM land than in Deb land.
[06:11] <zooko> Possibly because in Deb land there are semi-official packages for almost everything, so there isn't as much need for individually maintained packages.
[06:12] <zooko> However, the way it is done in debland is that you upload your package to a separate apt source server.
[06:12] <CarlK_> speaking of debs, some unknown person wants to make a .deb for kRecipies and I am willig to test, but want to take proper steps to avoid a trogen - what should I do?
[06:12] <tolle> I'm having some strange problems with my Wireless network
[06:12] <zooko> There is not a general purpose "Contrib" server space the way there is in RPMland.  Although maybe Hoary multiverse is slightly like that, but only one package of each software is kept there.  :-)
[06:12] <zooko> CarlK_: sigh
[06:12] <tolle> The card is detected and all, and so is the accesspoint.. I just get a realy high package loss..
[06:13] <zooko> CarlK_: test it on a virginal system then wipe and reinstall operating system after testing?  :-(
[06:13] <tolle> Is there anything else that could cause it other then a broken card?
[06:13] <zooko> CarlK_: newer better ways to do this are coming -- things like Xen.
[06:13] <CarlK_> zooko - that is very doable - I install hoary over once a day
[06:13] <zooko> CarlK_: someday, people will be amazed when we tell them that we had to do this in order to test new software safely...
[06:13] <tolle> The card uses the ath_pci driver. So a bad driver shouldnt cause it as far as i know.
[06:13] <CarlK_> well, I try to.. just got an error ;)
[06:13] <dtudosie> hi everybody
[06:14] <dtudosie> I have an issue with my printer in hoary
[06:14] <tigrux> zooko: Interesting, I will give ubuntu a try.
[06:14] <tigrux> zooko: Thanks.
[06:14] <CarlK_> zooko - I am amazed at how many people don't test on clean boxes
[06:15] <dtudosie> after I launch a print job, in a few seconds it shows a paused printer icon and it wont print...
[06:15] <setite> shit
[06:15] <setite> it still doesnt work
[06:15] <dtudosie> anybody have an ideea ?
[06:15] <setite> anyone wanna take a gander at my xorg.conf and tell me what im doing wrong
[06:16] <zooko> CarlK_: I guess I overlooked an already-mature way to do it: chroot
[06:16] <zooko> CarlK_: But it seems like possibly more work to do that than to reinstall the OS...
[06:16] <dtudosie> I have an epson stylus c20sx
[06:16] <CarlK_> zooko - I was more interested in getting "the source" so that I could review and maybe even build the .deb myself
[06:17] <CarlK_> but I have no clue what it takes to build a .deb, and after reading up on it I get the feeling that isn't resonable
[06:17] <[koji] > will the final hoary release still be using the same repo?
[06:18] <setite> does anyone know where ps/2 or USB is preferrable
[06:18] <setite> for mouse and keyboard
[06:18] <zooko> xiglet: I think current hoary works fine for installing things from universe and multiverse.  Was that your question?
[06:18] <setite> like for gaming... is there any proof or general accepted notions that USB is faster/better/more responsive or that PS/2 is
[06:18] <CarlK_> zooko - are you up on the Moinmon markup stuff?
[06:19] <zooko> CarlK_: Nope.
[06:19] <CarlK_> oh yeah.. this is mine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[06:19] <CarlK_> soon to be referenced by HandsOffInstall
[06:19] <CarlK_> once I figure out how I did it ;)
[06:20] <typo> does anyone know how I can make xorg do multihead with my laptop's monitor port?
[06:20] <appleseed> anyone know what -HUP means? in regards to killall -HUP
[06:20] <bleck> i'm testing the hoary-preview-live-powerpc on a G3 BW. The system (and desktop) loads but the system is extremely slowwww
[06:20] <CarlK_> typo - not all laptops support it, and #xorg is a good place to ask
[06:20] <zooko> appleseed: different apps might interpret it differently
[06:20] <rapha> Hi all!
[06:20] <bluefoxicy> What exactly does gcj do?
[06:21] <DarthFrog> appleseed: Basically to reprocess the config file.
[06:21] <zooko> appleseed: some servers reread their config files and then restart, when they get HUP.
[06:21] <zooko> appleseed: lots of apps die when they receive it though.  ;-)
[06:21] <rapha> How do you get Samba to work with Hoary (sharing and also accessing other shares)? I got it installed, but starting the daemon fails ...
[06:21] <appleseed> DarthFrog,zooko: cool thanks. was just wondering :)
[06:21] <CarlK_> appleseed - man kill has some explanation
[06:21] <beloDRAK> hi
[06:21] <appleseed> CarlK_, thanks I'll check it out
[06:22] <DarthFrog> appleseed: It is also known as SIGHUP and "kill -1".
[06:22] <zenrox> this is just driving me nuts
[06:22] <zenrox> takes forever gor gnome to load
[06:22] <beloDRAK> is it possible to manually add xfce into the "Sessions" option in GDM?
[06:22] <zooko> zenrox: yes, amd64 version of java 1.5
[06:22] <zenrox> for gnome
[06:22] <typo> CarlK_: this one does
[06:22] <typo> CarlK_: I'm trying there, thanks
[06:22] <zenrox> and i dont have any thang RUNNING
[06:22] <appleseed> can anyone give me their opinions on software for this setup: 2 laptops and 1 desktop. I want to setup mail and filesharing on the server, so the 2 laptops can mail eachother and store files on the server.
[06:23] <netventure> rapha: do you get any error messages when starting it?
[06:23] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, thats not needed
[06:23] <appleseed> what mailserver. and is iFolder the right thing to use for the file sharing?
[06:23] <rapha> netventure: no, unfortunately not
[06:23] <deFrysk> it does that automaticly
[06:23] <Kamion> [koji] : yes
[06:23] <CarlK_> damm, my append line is 293 chars...
[06:23] <beloDRAK> deFrysk: I've installed Xfce with an installer and it isnt in the GDM
[06:23] <Kamion> CarlK_: build a deb> install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'
[06:24] <netventure> checked /var/log/samba/log/smbd, log.nmbd ??
[06:24] <enrico_> Hello.  Does someone know of internationalised Ubuntu Live CDs?  We would like to distribute some Ubuntu live CDs in Italy, but we'd need them preset to Italian, with OOo Italian spellchecking, thesaurus and so on
[06:24] <enrico_> Does something like that already exist?
[06:24] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, there is a repo listed in osworks.com wich works exellent on ubuntu , also docs are provided there howto set the sesiion up manually when installing with the installer
[06:25] <rapha> netventure: Unable to open printcap file
[06:25] <deFrysk> beloDRAK, in short read the docs on os-works.com
[06:25] <setite> can anyone look at my xorg and tell me why it wont work
[06:26] <rapha> netventure: but creating one didn't help
[06:26] <netventure> rapha: that shouldn't really be a problem, me thinks
[06:26] <beloDRAK> deFrysk: ok , i'll try, thnx
[06:27] <rapha> netventure: I also saysparams.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[06:27] <rapha> netventure: And "params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file."
[06:27] <terry_> I am trying to install ia32-libs and I am getting this message: error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[06:28] <terry_> What is it trying to link to where, or how would I find out, I tried looking through the control files of the package, but it didnt shed any light on the problem
[06:28] <rapha> Oh
[06:29] <rapha> netventure: got it started
[06:29] <appleseed> any opinions on decent mailserver software for a small network?
[06:30] <rapha> netventure: But in "Places > Network Servers" and then "Windows Network", it doesn't even find itself ... not to speak of the Windows machine on the net
[06:31] <DarthFrog> appleseed: ubuntu defaults to using postfix, which is quite good.  I prefer, and use, exim.
[06:31] <appleseed> DarthFrog, thanks again, i'll look it up
[06:32] <DarthFrog> appleseed: But you'll get more support for postfix as it is the Ubuntu default.
[06:32] <jdub> appleseed: go postfix. :-)
[06:32] <appleseed> DarthFrog, jdub: will do, ta :)
[06:33] <Anubis> wtf is wrong with xmms?
[06:33] <Anubis> sometimes it works sometimes it segfaults
[06:33] <Anubis> Rhythmbox won't play shit
[06:33] <netventure> Anubis: try bmp
[06:33] <netventure> beep media player
[06:33] <Anubis> damn whats left?
[06:33] <Anubis> bmp looks ugly
[06:33] <netventure> :O
[06:34] <CarlK_> Kamion - what should I ask the maintainer to send me?  (script, make file, "the files needed so I can run debuild" )
[06:34] <netventure> xmms is GTK1.x
[06:34] <Anubis> at least with the default skin
[06:34] <Anubis> it uses winamp skins?
[06:34] <netventure> I agree... bmp can use a few better skins
[06:34] <deFrysk> Anubis, also yes
[06:34] <netventure> but that's all that's bad
[06:35] <Kamion> CarlK_: "source package"
[06:36] <CarlK_> Kamion - bingo. thanks
[06:36] <Kamion> CarlK_: source packages for all packages are already in the archive, so you should rarely need to ask for it
[06:36] <setite> this is sad.... i find myself missing windows
[06:36] <setite> widescreen added a whole new hurdle to leap... and i keep tripping
[06:36] <CarlK_> Kamion - this is for kRecipies, a project on sf.net, that currently has no .deb .rpm .ebuild. nutin.
[06:37] <setite> anyone know where i can get cedega cvs
[06:37] <Kamion> ok
[06:37] <setite> i plan to buy it... but i cant yet... not till i get paid tomorrow
[06:38] <zenrox> setite,  but the trippings are ok at least you get back up
[06:38] <setite> yea well now i know how
[06:38] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:38] <setite> took a few hours to learn to get back up from the xorg.conf blunders
[06:38] <setite> im using code directly from forums
[06:38] <setite> people with my same problem... thats the part that is driving me nuts
[06:39] <setite> also i love counterstrike and i cant find cedega cvs...
[06:39] <setite> and if i boot back to windows i wont be back for a few days... happens everytime
[06:39] <zenrox> setite,  sine up for a free account and get the code
[06:39] <setite> so i get the cvs from the official site
[06:39] <plagerism> quit
[06:39] <zenrox> setite,  yep
[06:40] <setite> gracias
[06:40] <zenrox> setite,  allso look at torrents to find a deb allready made
[06:40] <setite> hey would you like to look at a portion of my xorg.conf to see if you can figure out what im doing wrong
[06:41] <mastergoon> anyone else have problems with firefox crashing a ton on hoary?
[06:41] <zooko> mastergoon: not me
[06:41] <garrut> nope, just the download problem
[06:41] <mastergoon> hmmm :\
[06:42] <omni_lonnie> nope, no problems here..
[06:43] <knewt> my only firefox problem is something i've filed a bug report for, with a patch. but hasn't even been looked at yet
[06:43] <zooko> I have a problem that it doesn't offer a feature to cmdline open a URL in a new tab and *not* pop to front.
[06:43] <zooko> And a problem that it doesn't have a feature to stay running a server so that when I invoke it with -remote it will *not* pop to front.
[06:43] <flyingsquirrel54> hey, I'm brand new to ubuntu; no c compiler with def install?
[06:43] <zooko> ... these are two things that galeon already does nicely for me...
[06:43] <mastergoon> apt-get install gcc
[06:43] <knewt> well, ok, i do have another firefox problem but it's really a gtk2 bug
[06:43] <flyingsquirrel54> thx
[06:44] <mastergoon> gcc-4.0 is there if you want on hoary, havent tested it much yet though
[06:44] <zooko> Whee!  I built my kernel! -rw-r--r--   1 root src  13237294 Mar 23 13:35 ./kernel-image-2.6.10_customyumyum.6.0_amd64.deb
[06:44] <flyingsquirrel54> mastergoon: how can I get a list of available? new to apt.
[06:44] <mastergoon> flyingsquirrel54, apt-cache search gcc
[06:44] <flyingsquirrel54> awsome. thanks.
[06:44] <virtuald> does ubuntu do source code security auditing?
[06:44] <Tilos> Is there a simple way to graphically log in to a remote Ubuntu box?
[06:44] <mastergoon> sure
[06:45] <arverne> anybody know why usb drive don't automount anymore (on hoary with all the updates)?
[06:45] <SlugO> how can i get hoary live-cd to detect my cd-rom drive? it just says that No common CD-rom drive was detected
[06:47] <virtuald> got a common cd-rom drive :P
[06:47] <virtuald> get
[06:47] <SlugO> so my LG isn't common enough :p
[06:47] <SlugO> ?
[06:47] <knewt> hmm. 4 days without acknowledgement of filed bug.
[06:47] <Pluk> hi all
[06:48] <SlugO> this seems to be a common problem with debian installers...
[06:48] <Burgundavia> knewt: which bug?
[06:48] <knewt> Burgundavia: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7931
[06:48] <Burgundavia> knewt: we are in cram for relase now
[06:49] <Burgundavia> knewt: I would wait. I am certain they have seen it
[06:52] <no0tic> last python-xdg package: python-xdg_0.9-1_all  is bugged, it crashes gdesklets starter bar
[06:52] <no0tic> the previous version was ok
[06:54] <Burgundavia> no0tic: there is some work being done on that right now
[06:55] <no0tic> Burgundavia: thanks, I was reporting it ;)
[06:56] <aLiAsYnOnYm> anyone here who knows how to run Quake3 on Ubuntu ??
[06:56] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: yes
[06:56] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: running hoary?
[06:57] <aLiAsYnOnYm> 4.10
[06:57] <Burgundavia> hmm
[06:57] <Burgundavia> what does it do?
[06:57] <flyingsquirrel54> trying to install perl module; is there an authoritative collection on the web?
[06:57] <akk> WHat's a "non-conventional window manager"?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> flyingsquirrel54: cpan?
[06:58] <Burgundavia> akk: something other than metacity
[06:58] <akk> Burgundavia: I'm using fvwm and xremote works for me in firefox, though it's been broken in mozilla since the aviary landing.
[06:58] <Burgundavia> akk: I don't run one of those, but add your confirmation to the bug report then
[06:58] <Burgundavia> akk: it might move faster
[06:59] <aLiAsYnOnYm> Burgundavia do you know a web page explaining the installation etc?? i just wanted to inform me if it works before i try it myself ...
[06:59] <akk> Burgundavia: I'm reading the mozilla bug report trying to figure out what the actual bug is.
[06:59] <akk> Burgundavia: The ubuntu bug report doesn't have any details at all.
[06:59] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: I didn't isntall it
[06:59] <Keizer> CarlK_, You there?
[06:59] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: I have a copy that was copied over
[07:00] <Keizer> I don't have the appropriate stuff to fix this wireless problem I believe.
[07:00] <Keizer> How can I execute the command to edit the network settings?
[07:01] <aLiAsYnOnYm> Burgundavia : and that's it ?? hmm, sounds nice..
[07:01] <akk> No, it says firefox.  Shrug.  I guess fvwm and probably icewm don't need these props, whatever they are.  Maybe it's just ion.
[07:01] <Burgundavia> aLiAsYnOnYm: sorry I cannot help you
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> everyone else seeing openoffice.org broken on amd64 systems suddenly? anyone know what changed - I should pay more attention to my updates :)
[07:03] <zooko> mine works.  i haven't upgraded it recently.  oops -- i think i removed it yesterday so now i might be in trouble...
[07:09] <Keizer> I'm going to give Ubuntu one last install attempt.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> hmmm.
[07:10] <rosco> hi
[07:10] <Pluk> hi rosco
[07:11] <rosco> Is it already possible to boot the hoary preview (64)  on a plextor sata drd rewriter ?
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> anything, is possible ;p
[07:11] <rosco> I remember that a file should be modified and recompiled for  sata dvd to work
[07:12] <rosco> kernel in fact
[07:13] <nasdaq7> hi does anyone know how to open .wpd files?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> serial ata dvd? they make those?
[07:15] <flyingsquirrel54> okay, I'm brand new to debian based installs. trying to get synaptic to ease the pain. need XML:: Parser first. when I told Perl to install it, it lead me through a long list of options I did the best I can, but now it fails to compile
[07:16] <rosco> yes, but they are'nt fully recognized on linux, I should recompile the kernel, but it's hard to do it if the system isn't installed before
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> WPD = Document; PFS:WindowWorks, - i would try openoffice or abiword
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> flyingsquirrel54,  hmm... synaptic needs that?
[07:16] <flyingsquirrel54> the problem is that the list of errors is so long I can see where the train left the track so to speak
[07:17] <flyingsquirrel54> that's what it told me
[07:17] <Kamion> flyingsquirrel54: try installing the libxml-parser-perl package
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> i dont revcall ever needing to install that stuff :P just apt-get install synaptic  should download all ya need.
[07:17] <flyingsquirrel54> ok from apt-get, right?
[07:17] <Kamion> flyingsquirrel54: yes
[07:18] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: he was trying to use synaptic to get it, not trying to get it in order to use synaptic :)
[07:18] <lizdeika_> to be removed: libc6-i686, ubuntu-base. Is this OK ?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Kamion,  lol :P
[07:18] <Kamion> lizdeika_: no, glibc's broken
[07:18] <lizdeika_> so better not dist-upgrade ?
[07:18] <Kamion> indeed
[07:19] <Kamion> it's been brought to the uploader's attention
[07:20] <o8b> greetings
[07:20] <o8b> can anyone tell me where i can bind packages for ubuntu
[07:21] <o8b> sorry find not bing
[07:21] <o8b> bid
[07:21] <o8b> bind
[07:21] <shinu> xD
[07:22] <spiral> ouah... no updates today ?
[07:22] <kevman> Hey, when I try to make something, I get this error: "configure: error: Can't find X includes""
[07:22] <kevman> I assume I need to get the x develop package, but I don't know what package to get
[07:23] <VladDrac> but ubuntu's lost all the karma it gained by running so smoothly on my laptop :(
[07:23] <shinu> is hoary that bad?
[07:23] <akk> kevman: apt-get build-dep for a similar X package should get all the X headers and other development requirements.
[07:23] <VladDrac> hoary is great
[07:24] <VladDrac> but the howto on the website saying a migration from sarge to hoary is possible should ber emoved
[07:24] <Burgundavia> VladDrac: can it be fixed>
[07:24] <shinu> ah...
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ?
[07:24] <shinu> see what you mean
[07:24] <VladDrac> burgundavia: I didn't manage to - my fix is a reinstall (and losing my system configuration in the process)
[07:24] <kevman> akk, what would the command be? I don't understand you.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> VladDrac: right
[07:25] <Burgundavia> VladDrac: at least one other person had that
[07:25] <akk> kevman: What are you trying to build?
[07:25] <kevman> Just a KDE theme
[07:25] <akk> kevman: Do you have any other kde themes already installed?
[07:26] <kevman> No, I just got KDE a few hours ago.
[07:26] <apokryphos> Check into #kubuntu
[07:26] <kevman> I think I got it...
[07:26] <akk> kevman: Try something like: apt-get build-dep kde-icons-crystal
[07:27] <akk> kevman: using any kde theme package name.  That should get all the build requirements.
[07:27] <kevman> Well, I'm fetching xlibs-dev now...   Means, "to humanity".
[07:32] <akk> kevman: You know about apt-cache search and aptitude search?
[07:32] <robertj> Kubuntu is a very boring project, but I don't have any problems with it
[07:33] <neiras> Anubis, GNOME gets a lot of extra love from the Ubuntu team to make it work well...  I've heard there's problems with it
[07:33] <lamont> appleseed: there's a webmin module, but I've never used it
[07:34] <lamont> appleseed: fwiw, I use vi...
[07:34] <ytrabbit> Hey Ubuntians! What's going on?
[07:34] <appleseed> lamont, for postfix config?
[07:34] <kevman> libqt3-dev?
[07:34] <neiras> Does anyone know what the "autorun programs on newly inserted media" option in gnome-volume-manager actually runs?
[07:34] <akk> kevman: Adding a "| grep dev" to the end of the search line is often appropriate when you're trying to find development headers.
[07:34] <DarthFrog> appleseed: I'm not aware of that.  I don't see why there should be any problems, other than the lack of a root password, though.  So if you enable a root password, I would think it would run OK.
[07:35] <appleseed> DarthFrog, thanks, i'll have a go
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> enable the root password - befor installing webmin
[07:35] <robertj> mdz: did you take a looksy?
[07:35] <mdz> robertj: no, I cannot look at it right now
[07:35] <mdz> I have about 3 days of work to do today :-)
[07:35] <Skid> anyone know if asterisk is in any warty backports? I dont wanna update to horay
[07:36] <shai_> help..?
[07:36] <akk> kevman: Those qt and gtk packages do tend to proliferate, so anything like dev that you can give grep to make the list smaller can help in searching ...
[07:36] <crimsun> Skid: why not?
[07:36] <shai_> k3b won't recognize my burner as a burner, only as a drive
[07:36] <DarthFrog> appleseed: And remember that webmin runs in https mode, even for localhost.  As I just found out. :-)
[07:36] <Skid> crimsun: in case something breaks? :)
[07:36] <kevman> akk, I think I found the right package... libqt3-dev
[07:36] <crimsun> Skid: you're more likely to hit breakage in a backport
[07:36] <appleseed> DarthFrog, cheers :)
[07:36] <Skid> seeing as it's only a preview atm
[07:37] <crimsun> Skid: eh, we hit release candidate in 1 week
[07:37] <neighbordude> is anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))
[07:37] <lamont> appleseed: yes.
[07:37] <lamont> but I also happen to be the maintainer...
[07:37] <InitMass> anyone who play games in linux?
[07:37] <Skid> crimsun: yep, but it doesn't definately mean it's stable :)
[07:37] <shai_> I tried to config the writer address is the CDrom address (which is the same one!) but he won't let me
[07:38] <Skid> I've got a load of uni work to do, and I need it done asap on a working laptop heh
[07:38] <crimsun> Skid: been fairly stable for me.  What of your experiences?  Oh wait, that's right...
[07:38] <neighbordude> InitMass, all the time ;-)
[07:38] <Skid> ..
[07:38] <shai_> anyone? please?
[07:38] <shai_> it's kinda urgent
[07:39] <crimsun> Skid: (the best way to help stabilise is of course to help test ;)
[07:39] <InitMass> neighbordude, i like rise of nations....any thing like that for linux?
[07:39] <Skid> crimsun: well I'm not that 'comfortable' yet, I'm still learning
[07:39] <shai_> ...
[07:39] <Skid> hence why I was in here asking for help, not sarcasm
[07:40] <crimsun> Skid: I'm not throwing sarcasm at you, I'm honestly asking you to consider trying Hoary.
[07:40] <refluxx> is it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?
[07:40] <neighbordude> InitMass, yes sorta
[07:40] <crimsun> shai_: what device is your cdr{w}?
[07:40] <neighbordude> InitMass, there is that new one called 'glest'
[07:40] <drspin> quick question --
[07:40] <apokryphos7> Skid: Warty is *very* dated application-wise. Security fixes etc will still happen to Warty for the 18 months of its life, but Hoary has all the new stuff.
[07:40] <chillywilly> lalala
[07:41] <drspin> killall -9 grip doesn't kill grip :/
[07:41] <shai_> dev/hdd
[07:41] <InitMass> neighbordude, i'll chech that out! any other?
[07:41] <neighbordude> InitMass, there's another one whose name escapes me..look up real time strategy I guess at happypenguin.org
[07:41] <Skid> hm
[07:41] <crimsun> drspin: what process state is the grip process in?
[07:41] <drspin> crimsun: ??
[07:41] <rapha> FUCK!!! /opt/novell/ifolder3 $ sudo rm -rf bin include lib share /usr/ ... DAMNIT
[07:41] <neighbordude> InitMass, I want to say its made by summer games or something weird like that..been long time so I could be way offf..just search for real time strategy
[07:41] <crimsun> drspin: ps auxww|grep grip|grep -v grep
[07:41] <neighbordude> l8r
[07:42] <shai_> crimsun... do you know what should I do?
[07:42] <crimsun> shai_: can you burn using cdrecord directly?
[07:42] <shai_> I don't even know how to check that...
[07:42] <drspin> crimsun: cole     24685  0.0  2.7 42524 14172 ?       D    01:21   0:05 grip
[07:42] <drspin> crimsun: cole     32049  0.0  1.5 18920 7740 ?        D    10:27   0:00 grip
[07:42] <drspin> crimsun: cole       670  0.0  0.1  1820  568 pts/0    S+   11:42   0:00 grep grip
[07:42] <Skid> where's the page with updating to horay info? - just altering the sources list?
[07:42] <apokryphos7> shai_: man cdrecord
[07:42] <shai_> can it record a cd image?
[07:42] <crimsun> shai_: i.e., sudo cdrecord -dao dev=/dev/hdd foo.iso
[07:42] <apokryphos7> Pyre: tell Skid ubuhoary
[07:42] <Pyre> Skid: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[07:43] <Skid> ta
[07:43] <crimsun> shai_: k3b uses cdrecord as its backend
[07:43] <shai_> thanks...
[07:43] <InitMass> neighbordude, thanx
[07:43] <refluxx> is it normal to rip audio cd's in ubuntu at 1x with either cdparanoia or cdd2wav with dma enabled?
[07:43] <zooko> Argh.  I built 2.6.10+ubuntupatches, using kernel-package, and for the .config I did this:
[07:44] <crimsun> drspin: right, so your grip processes are in uninterruptible sleep.  Is your hardware faulty?
[07:44] <zooko> zcat /proc/config.gz > .config ; make oldconfig
[07:45] <drspin> crimsun: ?? I don't think so -- I don't have any other problems
[07:45] <zooko> Now when I boot to this kernel, it panics saying it can't boot the root fs.
[07:45] <zooko> How can this be?
[07:45] <drspin> crimsun: I also never had a problem ripping cd's in the *other* OS
[07:46] <jeanjean> how can i restart the fstab file ?
[07:46] <Skid> what'st eh horay-updates repositry for?
[07:46] <drspin> jeanjean: what are you trying to do?
[07:46] <jeanjean> just mount ntfs file
[07:46] <crimsun> Skid: nothing yet, since Hoary hasn't released :-)
[07:46] <jeanjean> but i want to try the new fstab file
[07:46] <Skid> so what's a rc then?
[07:46] <Skid> pre-release type thing?
[07:47] <jeanjean> how can i restart without reboting
[07:47] <crimsun> Skid: "release candidate"
[07:47] <crimsun> Skid: i.e., "nearly there"
[07:47] <drspin> jeanjean: just sudo mount /mount/point should run that line
[07:47] <Skid> ij
[07:47] <Skid> ok
[07:47] <shai_> K, the it works
[07:47] <shai_> thanks :)
[07:47] <Skid> and can i change multiverse to universe? so i dont take the non-free softwrae/
[07:47] <Skid> ware
[07:47] <crimsun> drspin: what does dmesg tell you concerning your cdrom?
[07:47] <netventure> bye room
[07:47] <crimsun> Skid: just don't uncomment the multiverse line :-)
[07:48] <Skid> but if I want extra packages tat are in the universe rep, I can just add it  yep?
[07:48] <apokryphos> Skid: you'll want to remove "multiverse" in the first two repos there
[07:48] <lizdeika_> i was thinking and thinking.. but i finally cant remember a broken package on ubuntu :) libc6 is first ? :)
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: hdd: command error: error=0x54
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 512
[07:48] <drspin> crimsun: Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 128
[07:48] <Skid> ya
[07:48] <Skid> kk
[07:48] <crimsun> zooko: from where did you get /proc/config.gz?  That option isn't enabled in Ubuntu kernels; instead, use /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[07:48] <Skid> ta
[07:48] <zooko> crimsun: it isn't ?
[07:48] <shai_> say, is there any param letting me see percentage?
[07:48] <_d4vid> hi all
[07:49] <jeanjean> drspin: how can i acces mount points with any user ?
[07:49] <zooko> KERN yumyum:~$ zdiff /proc/config.gz /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8
[07:49] <zooko> KERN yumyum:~$
[07:49] <crimsun> drspin: there you have it.
[07:49] <zooko> That shows that the contents are the same.
[07:49] <drspin> jeanjean: umask=000
[07:49] <zooko> Which makes me think that option *is* enabledf in ubuntu kernels.  ;-)
[07:49] <jeanjean> ok thx
[07:49] <crimsun> zooko: not in 2.6.10-5-686*
[07:50] <andril> does anyone know how to get rid of items on the menu?
[07:50] <zooko> KERN yumyum:~$ grep IKCONFIG /boot/config-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8
[07:50] <zooko> CONFIG_IKCONFIG=y
[07:50] <zooko> CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y
[07:50] <drspin> crimsun: so how can I kill those grip processes?
[07:50] <zooko> Anyway, this shows that the .config I used to build is identical to the config that was already booted...
[07:51] <gsuveg> re
[07:51] <zooko> So my inability to mount the root fs must lie elsewhere than the kernel config...
[07:51] <crimsun> zooko: the config isn't the important part.  Did you build the initrd?
[07:51] <gsuveg> anyone use tightvncserver ? me dont works under hoary.
[07:51] <zooko> crimsun: I just did "make-kpkg" to build a .deb then ran dpkg -i ./the.deb.
[07:51] <shai_> is it supposed to look like nothing happens?
[07:51] <zooko> I don't know what initrd is, I'm afraid.
[07:51] <crimsun> zooko: so you didn't pass --initrd ?
[07:51] <zooko> crimsun: no.
[07:52] <zooko> pass --initrd to make-kpkg ?
[07:52] <crimsun> zooko: Ubuntu kernels use initrds.  If you didn't create one for your kernel, but you used the same config, then that's where the issue lies.
[07:52] <zooko> crimsun: Thanks a lot!  :-)
[07:52] <crimsun> drspin: reboot.   Should I abort[Ny] ?
[07:53] <zooko> heh heh heh
[07:54] <drspin> crimsun: what could be causing this?? aside from faulty hardware...
[07:55] <crimsun> drspin: sometimes bad media can do that
[07:55] <drspin> crimsun: hmmm --- they are a low-budget band ;)
[07:55] <drspin> crimsun: and I don't have any problems with most other cd's
[07:56] <Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> anybody else having problems with locales?
[07:56] <crimsun> drspin: might try modprobe -r ide-cd, reinsert it, turn dma on, reseat the cd, and try again
[07:57] <crimsun> drspin: I'm fairly certain you'll have to reboot, though
[07:57] <drspin> crimsun: yup - ide-cd is in use... arghhhh --- thanks for your help!
[07:58] <drspin> be back later
[08:00] <flyingsquirrel54> Is synaptic installed with warthog by default?
[08:01] <rapha> flyingsquirrel54: yes
[08:02] <flyingsquirrel54> rapha: I just spent the longest trying to install it. how do I run it?
[08:02] <rapha> flyingsquirrel54: Well, it should be somewhere in the menu
[08:02] <rapha> Haven't used Warty in months
[08:02] <flyingsquirrel54> can't find it.
[08:03] <rapha> type "synaptic" into a terminal then
[08:03] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, it's somewhere under "Computer"
[08:03] <tritium> (a submenu of it)
[08:03] <tritium> I too haven't used Warty in months
[08:03] <setite> zenrox
[08:04] <flyingsquirrel54> yup, computer>System config>synaptic thanks
[08:04] <flyingsquirrel54> I was looking under apps
[08:04] <tritium> flyingsquirrel54, :)
[08:07] <lindo> hey guys, could anyone help me, im having trouble setting up x.org
[08:08] <Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool? Can I feed it a .inf file for my monitor so that it can recognize the capabilities of my monitor?
[08:09] <appleseed> anyone seen the mplayerhq.hu page? i just had a shock
[08:10] <CarlK_> appleseed - been that way for a few weeks
[08:10] <CarlK_> shocked me too
[08:11] <appleseed> CarlK_, ahh right
[08:11] <TjaBBe> Maybe its just some way to make people aware...
[08:12] <TjaBBe> ...of what the consequences of software patenting will be I mean...
[08:13] <crweb> is it possible to install kde 3.4 in ubuntu?
[08:14] <klaym> hello! I'm using warty without super user rights by default (although I am the main user of this computer), and I'd like to move files to usr/lib. When I drag and drop, I get an error that I have no right to do it. How do I get this right? (it's awkward to do things via terminal using sudo)
[08:15] <DarthFrog> crweb: Yes.  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <DarthFrog> crweb: Or use Synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <crweb> DarthFrog: ok, thanks
[08:15] <crweb> DarthFrog: i just wanted to make sure before i installed :)
[08:15] <mjr> klaym, you don't want to move files to /usr/lib, really
[08:15] <DarthFrog> crweb: I'm running it right now.  You could also install Kubuntu from CD.
[08:16] <klaym> mjr: why not?
[08:16] <crweb> DarthFrog: ok...   any idea's on if i'm going to like kubuntu? as I seem to be a total gentoo fanatic
[08:16] <crweb> err, i ment ubuntu
[08:16] <mjr> klaym, bad idea maintainability-wise
[08:17] <klaym> I'm trying to install a program that came as a .gz file, and it has folders named 'usr' 'lib' 'etc' and I guess I should place those files into adequate folders
[08:17] <mjr> klaym, besides, /usr/lib is for proper packages basically, /usr/local/lib is more for self-installed stuff
[08:17] <njan> heya, zeedo
[08:17] <DarthFrog> crweb: Ubuntu is a superb desktop Debian, runs Gnome by default.  If you dislike Debian, you might not like Gnome.
[08:17] <DarthFrog> crweb: Er, Ubuntu, not Gnome.
[08:18] <DarthFrog> klaym: Does it have an install file?
[08:18] <crweb> DarthFrog: i don't dislike debian,  it def. works and gets the job done.  Just some little things that get on my nerves.
[08:18] <DarthFrog> klaym: It's somewhat unlikely that you should have to do that stuff manually.
[08:18] <mjr> klaym, anyway, to answer your question, you can say "sudo nautilus", and have a root nautilus. But still a bad idea.
[08:19] <DarthFrog> crweb: Well, approach Ubuntu with an open mind.  Read the manifesto, first.  See if you agree with it.
[08:19] <klaym> it's Ganim8 that I'm trying to install. the .gz only has a bin -folder and a usr -folder
[08:19] <sgtstadanko> has anyone been able to get the exchange connector working in 5.04 preview
[08:20] <bwlang> klaym: let me encourage you NOT to start putting files all over the place... that's why you have a package manger.  Turn it into a deb.  Or use stow if you must.
[08:20] <tritium> sgtstadanko, I haven't yet, and I'm doing daily updates, so I've got newer than just the preview
[08:21] <sgtstadanko> tritium, yeah the exchange storage just dies everytime I try and connect
[08:21] <tritium> same here
[08:22] <DarthFrog> klaym: And if you absolutely insist on doing it by hand, put them in /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/bin, instead.
[08:22] <neiras> I think klaym's problem is, he is thinking in the "Windows" way - that is, "to install something I just unpack it and drop it in a folder somewhere"
[08:23] <drspin> crimsun, going through dmesg after my reboot I see a couple interesting things... "ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later"
[08:24] <jeanjean> what's a good mp3 player for ubuntu
[08:24] <gsuveg> xmms
[08:24] <jeanjean> xmms hang on plaing mp3 from ntfs data disk
[08:24] <Uboo> How do I add resolutions and refresh rates to be selected with the screen resolution config tool?
[08:24] <keffo> whats your recommended app using.. like an replacement for windows daemontools
[08:24] <jeanjean> Uboo: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:25] <Zotnix> keffo, mount
[08:25] <keffo> guess theres some problem with safedisc etc
[08:25] <drspin> crimsun, I also noticed that the kernel is assuming 33mhz bus :( ew! I'm going to fix that and brb
[08:26] <keizer> CarlK_, Beep
[08:26] <keizer> I'm in Ubuntu finally
[08:26] <keizer> I had to download the x11 packages with Aptitude and blam it works
[08:26] <klaym> ok thank you people. I'll try to find a way to install it
[08:26] <keizer> I'm not sure how much hacking i'll need to do to get the wireless network to work.
[08:26] <bwlang> jeanjean: i'm liking amarok... it's one of the full featured ones.
[08:26] <keizer> I'm online with Ethernet right now.
[08:26] <apokryphos> bwlang: Yup, it's great. :)
[08:26] <lucas_> hello
[08:27] <apokryphos> Hi
[08:27] <lucas_> i vane problems with my printer, who cen help me?
[08:28] <lucas_> i've installed ubuntu and almost everything is fine but my printer doesn't work
[08:29] <akk> What's ubuntu's printer configuration app, anyway?
[08:29] <akk> The CUPS admin page (html) doesn't seem to work.
[08:29] <keffo> no hoary updates today?
[08:29] <akk> and printconf isn't installed on hoary, so there must be another app that does something similar.
[08:29] <neiras> akk - using GNOME?
[08:30] <lucas_> i use gnome
[08:30] <lucas_> and ther is something like System Configuration --> printing
[08:30] <akk> neiras: No, not currently.  But in gnome the admin menus don't work anyway (apparently there's some problem with the gtk sudo?)
[08:30] <neiras> They work fine for everyone in the office here
[08:31] <lucas_> but when i'm trying to get there, it's impossible
[08:31] <neiras> Under Hoary
[08:31] <akk> neiras: I talked to someone last night, and apparently there's a known bug, since fixed (but I haven't dist-upgraded yet)
[08:31] <keffo> no hoary updates today?
[08:31] <lucas_> something wrond with cups server or something like that
[08:31] <saax> hello i have a .deb file and cant open it HELP
[08:32] <akk> neiras: All the apps worked if I called them up by hand from a root shell, just not from the menus or gksudo
[08:32] <akk> neiras: But finding the right app to run isn't always obvious.
[08:32] <typo> how do I force apt to install a version that's a downgrade?
[08:33] <alexwillmer> good evening all, on Warty libqt-dev and other libraries seem not to provide .so symlinks without the major version eg I have /usr/lib/libqt.so.3 but not /usr/lib/libqt.so, Is this by design?
[08:33] <lucas_> The CUPS server could not be contacted - that is showning when i try to get there
[08:34] <alexwillmer> saax, how are you trying to open the deb?
[08:35] <klaym> can anyone recommend an animation program from ubuntu repositories?
[08:36] <gsuveg> klaym: what like anymation ? blender ?
[08:36] <aj1> anyone out there networking a mac with their linux box?
[08:36] <desrt> aj1; i have 3 macs that run linux
[08:37] <klaym> just to stitch together photos, set the framerate and compile as mpg
[08:37] <klaym> and add sound
[08:37] <desrt> oh.  not what you want.  nm
[08:37] <alexwillmer> klaym: mplayer might be able to do that, one sec
[08:38] <Lfreeze> hey hey
[08:38] <thundrcleeze> hi
[08:38] <aj1> desrt: looking for some help getting my ibook to see beige box
[08:38] <Lfreeze> does anyone happen to know the default root password for hoary hedgehog?
[08:38] <keffo> Lfreeze, there is no
[08:38] <keffo> set one yourself
[08:38] <thundrcleeze> yes, nothing
[08:38] <Quinn_Storm> Lfreeze: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:38] <keffo> sudo passwd
[08:39] <Lfreeze> no superuser account?
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> or just sudo everything, that's the default behavior
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> so rather than su to run synaptic, just "sudo synaptic" and enter your user password.
[08:40] <alexwillmer> klaym: transcode can do, it's almost certainly in the repositories: use im import filter
[08:40] <keffo> he can just do sudo passwd etc
[08:40] <Lfreeze> tops... got it...
[08:40] <apokryphos> Or, better -- don't use terminal at all. Use gksudo or kdesu from Alt + F2
[08:40] <klaym> alexwillmer: thanks, will try
[08:40] <alexwillmer> http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Import_Modules/Import_Imlist
[08:41] <Lfreeze> thanks.
[08:42] <typo> does hoary support alcatel usb dsl modems?
[08:43] <piranha> hola
[08:43] <piranha> alguien tiene sintonizadora tv pixelviuw
[08:44] <vaticano> oigan se puede instalar un servidor de paginas web desde ubuntu???
[08:45] <typo> is upgrading sid to hoary a good idea or should I install from scratch without overwriting /home?
[08:45] <apokryphos> typo: It is not recommended, but there have been a few success stories.
[08:45] <apokryphos> Several have encountered problems though; it's worth searching the site to see those.
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: question, once hoary goes gold and a new dev branch opens up, will it be easy to switch sources over and keep tracking the most recent packages?
[08:46] <Anubis> I have a mp3 on my desktop
[08:46] <Anubis> but there is no icon for it?
[08:46] <Anubis> I don't even see it
[08:46] <typo> apokryphos: reinstalling is probably a better idea then
[08:46] <Anubis> wtf is going wrong with my system?
[08:46] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: switch sources to what exaclty? The new dev branch?
[08:46] <apokryphos> typo: certainly, yes.
[08:46] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: same as it was when warty released; you'll be able to do it, though it'll be very very unstable for a while
[08:47] <Anubis> ubuntu has been working well for me
[08:47] <alexwillmer> Anubis: you mean that yo have an mp3 file, but nothing will play it and the icon is just something plain?
[08:47] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: yeah
[08:47] <apokryphos> To Grumpy, yes. :D
[08:47] <b00gie> Anubis, try ctrl+r
[08:47] <Anubis> but all of a sudden
[08:47] <Quinn_Storm> grumpy? oh, has the new one been named?
[08:47] <Anubis> alexwillmer, no
[08:47] <Anubis> b00gie, thanks
[08:47] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm: yes, but it won't be "grumpy"
[08:47] <apokryphos> oh?
[08:47] <Anubis> b00gie, how come clean up by name did not refresh?
[08:48] <flyingsquirrel54> Is there a way I can make gnome show a folder I open in the same window
[08:48] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: what will it be?
[08:48] <thundrcleeze> yes, flyingsquirrel54
[08:48] <Kamion> Quinn_Storm,apokryphos: apparently neither of you read the ubuntu-announce list ;)
[08:48] <Quinn_Storm> Kamion: I should but I don't
[08:48] <Kamion> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[08:48] <apokryphos> Kamion: only recently subscribed.
[08:48] <b00gie> Anubis, i dont think that refresh the desktop
[08:49] <apokryphos> Kamakazie: Breezy. I like it better. ;-)
[08:49] <flyingsquirrel54> thundrcleeze: how??
[08:49] <thundrcleeze> I'm trying to remember, I think it might be in the ubuntu guide.  I'll check.
[08:49] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/133.html
[08:50] <holycow> hey guys, i'm running the gubuntu 2.10 live cd... theoretically the user name and pass are 'ubuntu', and i assumed the root pass is 'ubuntu' as well but ...
[08:50] <thundrcleeze> flyingsquirrel54, http://ubuntuguide.org/#openfoldersamewindownautilus
[08:50] <holycow> when i log out i cannot login with ubuntu/ubuntu, and i certainly cannnot su - to root with ubuntu pass
[08:50] <holycow> anyone else run into this?
[08:50] <setite> zenrox you there
[08:50] <Quinn_Storm> holycow: ubuntu doesn't have a root pass.
[08:51] <Quinn_Storm> holycow: it uses sudo by default
[08:51] <Kamion> the user's password on the live CD is disabled; if you managed to log out such that you got asked for it, that's a bug
[08:51] <apokryphos> Kamion: I'm a little confused. Just what si Grumpy, then?
[08:51] <Kamion> apokryphos: an old codename for 5.10
[08:51] <apokryphos> *is
[08:51] <setite> anyone know where i can get point2play-small
[08:51] <apokryphos> ah
[08:52] <Kamion> apokryphos: grumpy will be used for another project, eventually
[08:52] <holycow> oh!
[08:52] <holycow> Quinn_Storm, danke
[08:52] <setite> Ubuntu Grumpy Griffin
[08:52] <Quinn_Storm> lol...a grumpy griffin...that's a good image
[08:52] <apokryphos> Kamion: I think I'll update the wiki with that.
[08:52] <setite> yup
[08:52] <thundrcleeze> I thought it was grumpy groundhog.
[08:53] <apokryphos> with Breezy note, that is.
[08:53] <Kamion> apokryphos: please do, yes
[08:53] <setite> ground hog
[08:53] <Kamion> thundrcleeze: it *was*
[08:53] <setite> no mroe hogs!!!!
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> When did it change?
[08:53] <Kamion> thundrcleeze: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[08:53] <HelloWorld> hi guys
[08:53] <setite> down with the hogs!
[08:53] <HelloWorld> what happened to boot-admin, from gnome-system-tools?
[08:53] <setite> griffons rock... groundhocks... dont
[08:53] <setite> hogs*
[08:53] <HelloWorld> help files are present, the backends are present, the .glade file is there too
[08:54] <HelloWorld> but there is no "boot-admin" executable
[08:54] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[08:54] <flyingsquirrel54> awsome!!!! BTW I used thundrcleeze's info nice and simple the way I like it!
[08:54] <Einzelganger> Can someone confirm that in totem-xine, the following url makes totem take 100% cpu, and the buttons don't react anymore, while xine (from xine-ui) plays fine: http://streams.planet.nl/cgi-bin/reflector.cgi?source=<IP_ADDRESS>&stream=TKStream3&title=Tweede%20Kamer%20der%20Staten-Generaal
[08:54] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks all.
[08:56] <thundrcleeze> you're welcome, flyingsquirrel54
[08:56] <zane> I m running ubuntu at the moment and trying to get kubuntu through apt-get.. when i type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, i get an error.. its says cant find package kubuntu-desktop.. any ideas?
[08:56] <apokryphos> zane: are you on warty?
[08:57] <zane> yes.. i have ubutu 4.10
[08:57] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell zane ubukde
[08:57] <Pyre> zane: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[08:57] <HelloWorld> i am on hoary, and i have no UI to manage grub
[08:57] <apokryphos> zane: That should explain it all.
[08:57] <zane> oh.. thanx man
[08:58] <apokryphos> np :)
[09:00] <vaticano> donde encuentro manuales de ubuntu???
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> I'm running hoary, and when I try to use synaptic to install kubuntu-desktop as descriped in the wiki, it want to remove xserver-xfree86, is that safe?
[09:01] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: it'll install xserver-xorg. Yes, it's fine.
[09:01] <Quinn_Storm> thundrcleeze: you should be using xserver-xorg, so yeah its fine
[09:01] <b00gie> thundrcleeze hoary use xorg by default
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> Of course.
[09:02] <faux_> is inotify enabled by default in the newest ubuntu kernelns, or is it still disabled?
[09:02] <flyingsquirrel54> where can one find ubuntu manuals?
[09:02] <Tycho451> Where is the "at" key (like in every email address)? It used to be CTRL+ALT+Q in Windows.
[09:03] <DarthFrog> flyingsquirrel54: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:03] <apokryphos> flyingsquirrel54: the Wiki in general is very very useful.
[09:03] <flyingsquirrel54> vaticano: aqui esta su respuesta: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:04] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks, I did a little translating there :)
[09:04] <PacoBCN> so, what's up?
[09:04] <JDahl> after I installed Hoary Preview instead of Debian on my work machine network speed has dropped alot. Now I get transfer rates of around 60-70kb/s over lan. Ifconfig shows 1029 errors out of 224000 transmitted packages and 21500 collisions - that's not bad, is it?
[09:05] <PacoBCN> I finally found a CMS for what I needed and can be back to the chat :)
[09:05] <whitti> How do I switch sound capibility from my onboard sound to a Creative sound card?
[09:05] <Keizer> This Ubuntu is kinda tight
[09:05] <whitti> (in warty)
[09:05] <Keizer> I like it
[09:06] <Fl-i-nT> hi all
[09:06] <whitti> Hiya
[09:06] <thundrcleeze> hi
[09:07] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, yeah good evening you alright?
[09:08] <drspin> crimsun: I was using bad hdparm options for my drive (d1u1c1) -- oops!
[09:09] <aj1> anyone know of a good jukebox app? music players ripping cd's at 2x...
[09:09] <CarlK_> man rsync says "rsync  [OPTION] ... SRC [SRC] ..." but I can't get multiple SRC's working: http://www.sql-servers.com/nopaste/?show=1787
[09:09] <Fl-i-nT> aj1 xmms?
[09:10] <holycow> well i gotta say, this ubuntu/gnome 2.10 live cd is a pleasure
[09:10] <holycow> i love have a pure debian/gnome environment for system recovery
[09:11] <aj1> Fl-i-nT: yeah it's an oldie but goodie
[09:11] <aj1> was wondering if there's a new sheriff in town
[09:11] <Fl-i-nT> aj1, sorry abit uneducated i dont knmow!
[09:11] <apokryphos> query Pyre
[09:13] <alexwillmer> is there an Ubuntu equivalent to rpm --whatprovides /some/file which discovers the package which installed a given file?
[09:13] <typo> what's the kernel version in hoary?
[09:14] <crimsun> drspin: zing!  That would certainly do it.
[09:14] <apokryphos> typo: 2.6.10
[09:14] <drspin> crimsun: thanks for the help :)
[09:14] <crimsun> np
[09:14] <typo> apokryphos: ok, thanks
[09:14] <drspin> why is one of my CD drives "blacklisted"??
[09:14] <typo> apokryphos: how about S3/S4 suspend, is it supported?
[09:15] <souki> alexwillmer: dpkg -S /blabla/bla
[09:15] <apokryphos> typo: no idea
[09:15] <alexwillmer> souki, cheers
[09:16] <Uboo> I've run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it my preferable setting was 1600x1200@75, but even then after I restart xorg, the refresh rate is still at 60. What do I do? The xorg.conf seems to be right and had VertRefresh 50-85. Using the config tool doesn't help because it only gives me 60Hz as an option.
[09:16] <typo> apokryphos: do ubuntu kernels have ipw2100 installed?
[09:16] <whitti> I have a question regarding sound in Warty: How can I switch between the onboard sound and a Creative sound card?
[09:17] <thundrcleeze> Is there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?
[09:17] <apokryphos> typo: No idea again; I really don't know anything about Ubu's kernel. Might be worth checking on the Wiki.
[09:17] <souki> typo: ipw2100 yes
[09:18] <thundrcleeze> Uboo, to get it to work for me, I had to delete the vertrefresh and horizrefresh lines from the xorg config.
[09:18] <Uboo> I'll try that. Thanks.
[09:19] <thundrcleeze> Uboo: (make a backup first)
[09:19] <Uboo> Of course. ;)
[09:20] <zooko> What, if anything, does Ubuntu use kernel capabilities for?
[09:20] <typo> apokryphos: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM, looks like it does
[09:20] <typo> souki: thanks
[09:20] <zooko> (Yes, I've gotten my custom kernel to boot, so now I have this problem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelDoesNotSupportCapabilities)
[09:20] <saax> any1 know how to install fluxbox ?' please help
[09:21] <typo> does anyone know if there are any plans to support WPA/802.11x (wireless security) integrated with gnome?
[09:22] <andril> bay all
[09:22] <Laivin> anyone know why after a fresh install of 4.10, it displays all the startup stuff fine, but then when it should show the login screen, it is either just black, a light shade of brown over the whole screen, or white?
[09:23] <Uboo> Can I run Konqueror on Gnome?
[09:23] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:23] <Seveas> Uboo, yes
[09:23] <marcin_ant> I still got problems with printer
[09:24] <Uboo> Seveas: How do I set it as my default file browser then?
[09:24] <Seveas> dunno
[09:24] <Seveas> but you can use it :)
[09:24] <Uboo> Thanks anyway.
[09:24] <marcin_ant> and still printer sharing is unresolved
[09:24] <marcin_ant> but today I got all hardware on my desktop
[09:24] <Uboo> Are there any good alternatives to nautilus designed for gnome?
[09:25] <marcin_ant> and I really would like to make this working
[09:25] <Seveas> why not use nautilus?
[09:25] <marcin_ant> so my problem is
[09:25] <thundrcleeze> Is there a GUI for grub, or is it a text config only?
[09:25] <marcin_ant> that I have two desktops with ubuntu and there is a printer connected to let's call "ubuntu1"
[09:25] <amir_> Hey, why does the update icon always fails my root login on hoary?
[09:25] <Uboo> Seveas: Because I can't get it to work how I want it to. I want it to use the webpage view but not have that annoying toolbar.
[09:25] <marcin_ant> and I would like to share this printer to "ubuntu2"
[09:25] <amir_> s/fails/fail/
[09:26] <marcin_ant> could someone help me with this?
[09:26] <Seveas> amir_, use YOUR login, it uses gksudo
[09:26] <amir_> seveas, oops.. sorry about that. thanks!
[09:27] <amir_> do the marillat mplayer sources install well on ubuntu?
[09:27] <marcin_ant> any ubuntu user with shared printer on this channel?
[09:27] <zooko> amir_: I use mplayer from marillat on ubuntu.  64 bit, too.
[09:27] <amir_> zooko, wow, cool.
[09:28] <amir_> im using an amd64 install as well.
[09:28] <theantix> marcin_ant, I have tried and failed to get it working reliably
[09:28] <marcin_ant> theantix: with cups?
[09:29] <bwlang> anybody know how to modify a pdf file... i need to rotate pages and remove some pages... freshmeat has nothing for "pdf edit"
[09:29] <pv_> pdfjam
[09:30] <theantix> marcin_ant,  with gnome-cups-manager on warty
[09:30] <marcin_ant> theantix: I see
[09:30] <marcin_ant> theantix: then question
[09:30] <marcin_ant> theantix: you had to add network printers?
[09:31] <marcin_ant> theantix: or maybe shared printers in lan are discovered automagically?
[09:31] <theantix> marcin_ant, yes I tried that, and also to share a local printer -- neither worked reliably -- I didn't see any discovered automagically
[09:32] <amir_> is the groovy 3 persons in a ubuntu logo stance jpg availabe in the default hoary install? if not, is it apt-gettable in some art package?
[09:32] <Burk> hi
[09:32] <marcin_ant> theantix: but worked for a while?
[09:32] <Seveas> amir_ apt get install ubuntu-calendar-october (and november etc, up to march)
[09:32] <marcin_ant> theantix: (I ask because I wasn't able to print anything)
[09:33] <amir_> thanks again :)
[09:33] <Seveas> amit, and install unbuntu0calendar itself too :)
[09:33] <SoRcEtTa> what about links2 ? is it apt-get supported ?
[09:33] <scott> anyone know if the gnome 2.10 livecd is using ubuntu?
[09:33] <amir_> Seveas, will do :)
[09:33] <Seveas> scott, it is
[09:33] <Biafra> is it possible to install packages meant for Debian on Ubuntu?
[09:34] <Seveas> Biafra, possible: yes, sensible: usually not
[09:34] <Burk> guys, looks like 16:10 widescreen wallpapers are not that popular...do you know a site where I could find some? (I could crop&resize...but I'm pretty lazy :p )
[09:34] <scott> Seveas, do you know what version? cause the latest gnoppix doesn't work properly w/ my screen and the gnome 2.10 live cd works great.
[09:34] <bwlang> Biafra: yes... but it can hurt you... the dependencies sometimes don't match up.
[09:34] <Seveas> scott, it is ubuntu hoary preview
[09:34] <Seveas> (afaik)
[09:34] <souki> Burk: the macosx wallpaers are good
[09:34] <scott> can you install off the livecd or is it better to get the installation cd?
[09:34] <theantix> marcin_ant, yes it worked for a while
[09:35] <Burk> souki: where I could find them?
[09:35] <Seveas> you cannot install from a livecd
[09:35] <warmfreeze> grr ..for some reason the update killed my network connection ..
[09:35] <souki> Burk: I've got them but I don't remember where
[09:36] <Burk> oh..found a good site: http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/widescreenselection.htm
[09:36] <guillaume> irc://irc.lucidflux.com/whereswarez
[09:36] <robl^> does Ubuntu work well with laptops?  (power management, LCD, PCMCIA) without lots of tweaking?
[09:36] <Biafra> Does anyone know if the soon-to-be-released pressed CDs of hoary will include both GNOME and KDE?
[09:36] <syn-ack> robl^: I think thats where it shines the best
[09:36] <Fackamato> robl^: yup
[09:36] <Fackamato> SYN
[09:36] <syn-ack> Biafra: No, thats what kubuntu is
[09:36] <syn-ack> Fackamato: how goes?
[09:36] <Fackamato> time out :/
[09:36] <Fackamato> :P
[09:37] <syn-ack> ;P
[09:37] <Biafra> Will there be pressed CDs of Kubuntu coming out?
[09:37] <Fackamato> hopefully not :P
[09:37] <Seveas> robl^, i run warty and hoary in two differnet laptops
[09:37] <Seveas> works like a charm, but hoary is definitely better
[09:37] <Seveas> (acpi problems with warty kernels)
[09:37] <scott> anyone used ubuntu on Thinkpad T40? (or T41/42) I'm wondeirng, like robl, how well it works out of the box w/o changing anything
[09:37] <syn-ack> scott: should work fine.
[09:37] <HcE> scott: I use Debian Sid on a T40p now, works like a charm
[09:38] <HcE> about the same as Ubuntu Warty
[09:38] <robl^> syn-ack & Fackamato: great!  That's my major gripe with stock Debian at the moment. You've convinced me to give it a try
[09:38] <scott> HcE, i've been reading the instructions on linux-on-laptops.com but they're old and there's tons of tweaking
[09:38] <syn-ack>  I had a Compaq Presario 2535 QV and it ran very well
[09:38] <HcE> scott: everything works for me "out-of-the-box"
[09:38] <scott> cool
[09:38] <HcE> scott: if you got a atheros wlan-card you'll need the atheros driver from sf.net
[09:39] <HcE> I have not tested suspend to ram/disk though
[09:39] <scott> HcE, I still need to decide on which wifi card to buy, the intel 2200 or the atheros
[09:39] <pixman> Hello
[09:39] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[09:39] <HcE> scott: I have the atheros 802.11a/b/g
[09:39] <pixman> Anyone experienced problems with smb:/// in nautilus since today's samba update?
[09:39] <scott> HcE, isn't it supposed to suspend when you shut the lid? you never do that?
[09:39] <robl^> syn-ack: this is a Dell Inspiron 8500 with a 19200x1200 wide screen LCD
[09:39] <pixman> or libsmbclient perhaps
[09:40] <pixman> doesn't work anymore
[09:40] <HcE> scott: it turns of the light on the LCD
[09:40] <syn-ack> robl^: nice.
[09:40] <HcE> scott: and ATI driver sucks, but they are a bit better now
[09:40] <black_Nightmare> anyone seen my canadian friend??? lol
[09:40] <mjr> HcE, hmh, atheros drivers are included in ubuntu (in the linux-restricted-modules package)
[09:41] <HcE> mjr: you'll probably want to grab CVS some times a week
[09:41] <HcE> they are so absolutly not stable yet :P
[09:41] <mjr> I dunno
[09:41] <HcE> speaking of which *cvs update*
[09:41] <scott> HcE, why do the ATI drivers suck? I still haven't gotten the laptop yet actually, it should be here saturday
[09:42] <syn-ack> I have the atheros drivers loaded, ATM ;)
[09:42] <Biafra> another general question: which format is better: ext*, reiserFS, JFS, or XFS?
[09:42] <mjr> I've watched a dvb stream redirected over ssh with warty's atheros drivers for several hours with no problems ;)
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> it depends on your requirements
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> ext3 is the most common and most widely supported
[09:42] <scott> are there packages for beagle in ubuntu?
[09:42] <setite> is it worth it to try and get cedega working under ubuntu64
[09:42] <HcE> scott: It's good on my display, but TV-out and secondary display is still a bit of a mystery. I get secondary to work, but I have to tweak alot
[09:42] <syn-ack> I personally am going to start using XFS
[09:42] <setite> its proving to be a truly frustrating process
[09:42] <mjr> Biafra, generally, I'd not recommend reiserfs for its lesser stability track record; ext3 is a good basic choice
[09:43] <mjr> xfs and jfs might provide benefits for high-end use
[09:43] <Seveas> scott, beagle is being worked on for the next release
[09:43] <apokryphos> syn-ack: Nope. Kubuntu has only KDE; no Gnome.
[09:43] <Burk> what will follow array cd7? the final release'
[09:43] <Burk> ?
[09:44] <syn-ack> apokryphos: Im quite aware of that
[09:44] <setite> kubuntu
[09:44] <setite> XFS
[09:44] <setite> whats the x
[09:44] <setite> xtreme
[09:44] <stazz> Biafra: You can't go wrong with reiserfs.
[09:44] <marcin_ant> theantix: then next question again
[09:44] <setite> xantifical
[09:44] <syn-ack> stazz: sure you can.
[09:44] <Biafra> my ubuntu comp (Cyrix M-II 300 with 96MB of memory) has 3 HDDs and one CDROM. I have it currently setup as folows:
[09:44] <apokryphos> syn-ack: you implied otherwise, but nevermind.
[09:44] <warmfreeze> so . who came up with this ubuntu idea anyway ?
[09:44] <stazz> syn-ack: the current situation is pretty good, the random-crash-thingies are past.
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> stazz: I would say you can't go wrong with ext3
[09:45] <syn-ack> stazz: heh
[09:45] <HrdwrBoB> anything else makes your system nonstandard
[09:45] <setite> k ubuntu
[09:45] <setite> k k ubuntu
[09:45] <stazz> syn-ack: really.. reiserfs is currently considered quite stable.
[09:45] <setite> ku kubuntu
[09:45] <setite> ku ku kubuntu
[09:45] <marcin_ant> theantix: I got gnome-cups-manager
[09:45] <marcin_ant> theantix: and "add a printer" dialog
[09:46] <Biafra> hda (1GB drive): hda1 135MB mounted as /boot using ext3
[09:46] <syn-ack> mount: only root can do that
[09:46] <setite> anyone running cedega with point2play on a 64bit platform?
[09:46] <warmfreeze> is there a PPC version of ubuntu ?
[09:46] <apokryphos> Burk: Release Candidate will follow.
[09:46] <mjr> warmfreeze, yes indeed
[09:46] <marcin_ant> theantix: and Printer Type I choose "Network printer-> CUPS pinter IPP"
[09:46] <warmfreeze> yay!
[09:46] <Biafra> hda (1GB drive): hda2 rest of the drive as a raid member
[09:46] <black_Nightmare> warmfreeze...look at the download list
[09:46] <marcin_ant> theantix: and very important thing is
[09:46] <black_Nightmare> its already there ;0
[09:46] <marcin_ant> theantix: what is URI ?
[09:46] <scott> Seveas, do you know when the next release (or beta/preview) is supposed to be?
[09:47] <Biafra> my other 2 drives (hdb, a 4GB drive and hdd, a 3GB drive) are also raid members
[09:47] <Burk> apokryphos: release candidate is the step before the final 5.04 rel?
[09:47] <warmfreeze> i got it now . i dident see it earlier .. tnx!
[09:47] <Seveas> scott, october 2005, there is a release every 6 months
[09:47] <apokryphos> Burk: Yes. See: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[09:47] <syn-ack> stazz: root@Jupiter:/home/meskes # df -HT /dev/sda2
[09:47] <syn-ack> Filesystem    Type     Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[09:47] <syn-ack> /dev/sda2 reiserfs     122G   4.0G   119G   4% /
[09:47] <syn-ack> I know. ;)
[09:47] <stazz> syn-ack :D
[09:47] <Biafra> all my raid members are setup together as a RAID0 device
[09:47] <marcin_ant> theantix: could you tell me what is URI on your system?
[09:47] <Burk> ok, tnx apokryphos ;)
[09:47] <theantix> marcin_ant, I used IP address
[09:47] <Biafra> which is setup for lvm
[09:48] <scott> Seveas, oh, but how often do they come out with the previews? I used to run debian unstable and it was always changing. is that how ubuntu is?
[09:48] <syn-ack> stazz: Im going to migrate to XFS here soon and then set up LVM when I get another drive for it.
[09:48] <Uboo> If I trie Kubuntu and decided to go back to gnome, is there a real need to uninstall kubuntu? If I want to anyway, how will I be able to track all the packages that were installed because kubuntu-desktop wanted them?
[09:48] <stazz> syn-ack: I recommend staying away from XFS, from personal experience.
[09:48] <Biafra> in lvm i configured one VG (Goldeneye) and 2 PVs
[09:48] <kala> hi
[09:49] <Anubis> nothing but problems today
[09:49] <kala> can i make a question?
[09:49] <Anubis> now my gnome-panel is acting shitty
[09:49] <stazz> kala: shoot
[09:49] <kala> eh, ubuntu is great :P
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> kala: don't ask to ask, as
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> ask
[09:49] <Biafra> pv1 (TransientData) 235MB swap
[09:49] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: Where else do I know you from?
[09:49] <apokryphos> Uboo: You can of course run both KDE and Gnome. You can remove all kubuntu stuff after if you decide that you don't want it, yes.
[09:49] <kala> i don't know how, but i've lost the default mouse pointers
[09:49] <Anubis> hoary developmental was more stable than whats comming out these last few updates
[09:49] <phxguy> anyone know where gtk themes go??
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> syn-ack: ooh could be anywhere; I get around
[09:49] <SoRcEtTa> why ubuntu is so great ?
[09:49] <kala> like the circle waiting one
[09:50] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: undernet? #linux?
[09:50] <SoRcEtTa> and mepis ?
[09:50] <Biafra> pv2 (Storage) the remainder of the available lvm space mounted as /
[09:50] <Anubis> The gaim panel icon just stopped working
[09:50] <HrdwrBoB> I'm on ozorg freenode
[09:50] <setite> ok back to windows i go for some CS Source
[09:50] <Anubis> wtf is happening?
[09:50] <Biafra> and formatted as reiserfs
[09:50] <Biafra> anyone miss anything?
[09:50] <Anubis> shit is just breaking
[09:51] <kala> ok, i'll ask again: how can i reinstall the default ubuntu mouse pointers?
[09:51] <neighbordude> is anyone else running hoary preview release and still seeing occasional crashy behavior with firefox latest ?..this am I came back to computer to find xchat refresh whacked out ( instead of text window it was transparent) and my apps ( even though gnome-panel was working for a se cond) wouild not startup ?? ;-))
[09:51] <Anubis> gnome desktop no longer refreshes by itself
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> kala: do you know the files you removed?
[09:51] <kala> i haven't removed any file
[09:51] <Uboo> apokryphos: Ok, so how do I make it remove all the packages it installed with it?  Will telling synaptic to uninstall kubuntu-desktop also uninstall all the other packages it installed because of depedency?
[09:51] <Anubis> neighbordude, check your bpp is it 24bpp
[09:51] <Anubis> 16bpp make firefox crash
[09:52] <kala> i installed and they weren't there. i know they exist coz i installed it in other computer
[09:52] <apokryphos> Uboo: "crap"... err, sure. Ahem. No, kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage; it depends upon other things, not vice versa.
[09:52] <NetGeek> the latest apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-base, is that bad?
[09:52] <apokryphos> NetGeek: No :)
[09:52] <apokryphos> NetGeek: it is but a metapackage.
[09:53] <crymsan> hey everyone
[09:53] <kala> does anyone know which is the package with the cursors?
[09:53] <kala> hi
[09:53] <Uboo> apokryphos: What I mean is... when I wanted to install kubuntu-desktop it installed a lot of other packages as well. Will telling synaptic to uninstall the kubuntu-desktop package also uninstall all the other packages it installed?
[09:53] <NetGeek> it also wants to remove libc6-686, and replace it with libc6
[09:54] <apokryphos> Uboo: And as I said: no. It's a metapackage. It's not a "real" package; it only depends upon other things and drags them in.
[09:54] <Biafra> would it be adviseable to reinstall and use xfs for my / partition?
[09:54] <Burk> guys, on April I'll get a laptop as present, probably Toshiba Sat m30x-161. I'm trying out the ubuntu live cd...that's absolutely the best linux I've ever been with (tested: mandrake, red hat, suse and freebsd). Of course laptop will be equipped with winxp installed. do you advice me to resize partition with partition magic or make a good old format and repartitioning from zero? also: how would you divide a 80GB hd?
[09:54] <Uboo> apokryphos: So how will I be able to remove all of those packages?
[09:55] <kala> ok, i gotta go, but i'll be back :P
[09:56] <phxguy> I have a usb stick which is formatted vfat. how can I format it to something else??
[09:56] <maxchee> Is anyone aware of a gnome-vfs plugin that can open compressed file?
[09:56] <amir_> phxguy, mkdosfs
[09:56] <mjr> phxguy, unmount it and mke2fs (for example, for ext2/3)
[09:56] <maxchee> phxguy: you need to go to your usbstick manufacturer's website
[09:56] <apokryphos> ubuntulog: man debfoster
[09:57] <apokryphos> ubuntulog: sorry, wasn't meant to be to you.
[09:57] <amir_> maxchee, no he doesn't.
[09:57] <mjr> oh, also, some memory sticks reportedly resist reformatting, but I don't know about that
[09:57] <amir_> phxguy, just type mkfs.<tab><tab> on the command line.
[09:57] <maxchee> amir_: see mrj
[09:57] <maxchee> amir_: see mjr
[09:59] <phxguy> amir do i need to speciify /dev/sda1 in that command?
[09:59] <amir_> maxchee, i've used quite a few UMS devices and never saw one.
[09:59] <amir_> phxguy, yup!
[09:59] <Slaven> Where can I select which greeter should be the 'default' one? appearantly, simply putting gdm in rc doesn't work. it needs to be the default greeter.
[09:59] <maxchee> amir_: but if the formatting fails, then...
[09:59] <phxguy> what format types are available?
[09:59] <maxchee> phxguy: why do you have to reformat?
[10:00] <amir_> phxguy, fat16, fat32, ext2, ext3.. if you want linux only you probably want ext3.
[10:00] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, sorry i had to get fish and ships how are you this evening?
[10:00] <maxchee> phxguy: Is your usb stick broken?
[10:00] <phxguy> nope
[10:00] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Very well thanks; all good. :)
[10:00] <amir_> phxguy, for example: mke2fs -j /dev/sda1
[10:00] <A-star> hi everyone
[10:00] <maxchee> phxguy: ext3 cannot be read on windows
[10:00] <Jesterace> heh i leave my usb stick as vfat
[10:00] <Jesterace> just so i can read it in all os's i use
[10:00] <InitMass> is there any good benchmark app for linux?
[10:00] <amir_> i tend to agree with them, phxguy. you might as well format it with FAT16.
[10:00] <crymsan> hey all, quick question, just about to try ubuntu for the first time (usually debian) and trying to install hoary preview, but can't boot the cd, and yes I did burn it properly
[10:01] <crymsan> any ideas?
[10:01] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, are yuo at college still or out for a gap year?
[10:01] <Slaven> maxchee: yes it can. with the proper drivers.
[10:01] <phxguy> i dont want this usb stick read on windows....
[10:01] <apokryphos> Fl-i-nT: Last year sixth-form.
[10:01] <Burk> cu next time ;)
[10:01] <Bazzi> hi, I've got a quick question, which packages do I need to build a kernel driver module? linux-source and linux-headers should be sufficient, shouldn't they?
[10:01] <amir_> phxguy, if you don't then you can use ext3. see above :)
[10:01] <amir_> anyways gotta go.
[10:01] <maxchee> Slaven: that's true, although I seriously doubt that you can install a ext3 driver onto corporate computers without some serious justification
[10:01] <Slaven> heh. nope.
[10:01] <Fl-i-nT> apokryphos, sweet what options did you take?
[10:01] <amir_> cya
[10:02] <Slaven> sorry for just breaking in to conversation, then. didn't grasp the context.
[10:02] <phxguy> amir so will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make it ext3 ??
[10:02] <Slaven> noone can help me with the greeter thingy?
[10:02] <maxchee> Slaven: ?
[10:02] <A-star> Well I use a program which comes in a zip file to do that.
[10:03] <Slaven> maxchee: I'm wondering how I choose default greeters (like gdm,kdm...)
[10:03] <phxguy> maxchee:  will the command mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 make the drive formatted in ext3 ??
[10:03] <Jesterace> phxguy, yes
[10:03] <phxguy> thanks
[10:03] <Jesterace> mkefs without the -j will make it ext2
[10:03] <maxchee> System/Admin/Login Screen Setup
[10:03] <A-star> do a search on explore2fs, then you can read ext3 and ext2 partition under windows
[10:03] <Jesterace> whoa
[10:03] <neighbordude> where do I verify that i'm using a speicifc bpp ? (  configuration editor ?..if so which section)
[10:04] <maxchee> Personally, I am a big fan of reiserfs. Any chance that reiser4 patch will be included?
[10:04] <phxguy> it gavfe m an error:  /dev/sda1: Read-only file system while setting up superblock
[10:04] <maxchee> in an ubuntu kernel?
[10:04] <phxguy> do  I have to boot into windows and format as fat16 first?
[10:04] <maxchee> phxguy: no
[10:04] <aeolist_> in order to do what?
[10:05] <phxguy> aeolist_:  I am trying to reformat a usb stick so it cant be read on a windows machine
[10:05] <aeolist_> oh
[10:05] <maxchee> phxguy: should have told us about that...
[10:05] <aeolist_> had the same trouble today
[10:05] <aeolist_> depends on what you have available
[10:06] <phxguy> maxchee i thought i did.,
[10:06] <maxchee> phxguy: reiserfs, xfs, jfs are even more obscure than ext
[10:06] <aeolist_> you can use a tool like gparted or qtparted
[10:06] <crymsan> you try mkfs.vfat?
[10:06] <aeolist_> or try fdisk + mkfs.vfat
[10:06] <maxchee> there is a driver for ext for windows
[10:07] <crymsan> right, fdisk it first of course :-)
[10:07] <black_Nightmare> does ubuntu support having two keyboards plugged in altogether?
[10:07] <black_Nightmare> one unused ps/2 and one usb
[10:07] <maxchee> cryman: parted replaces (sort of) fdisk
[10:07] <Jesterace> how does one use two keyboards at the same time? and what practical use is it :P
[10:07] <johaBBa> lol
[10:07] <crymsan> ah, havne't really used parted
[10:07] <johaBBa> none?
[10:08] <black_Nightmare> jest..not 'same time' but..its kinda something to do with setups
[10:08] <Jesterace> different keymaps?
[10:08] <robl^> I use ps/2 and USB keyboard at the same time.. no problem
[10:08] <Jesterace> ie: us layout and uk layout? :P
[10:08] <Jesterace> i used to have a uk keyboard and i'm in canada heh
[10:08] <black_Nightmare> some of these cable kvm needs both ps/2 connectors to be powered to work .. but then with one of the pc I rather like use my own keyboard [alak through usb]
[10:08] <johaBBa> robl^, you use both plugged into the same computer at the same time?
[10:08] <black_Nightmare> kinda like this way: 2 pc, 2 keyboards, 1 mouse, 1 mointor
[10:09] <black_Nightmare> get it?
[10:09] <Jesterace> oh kvm
[10:09] <robl^> johaBBa: yeah.  I have a notebook with a built-in PS/2 keyaboard and a full size USB
[10:09] <black_Nightmare> till I can buy/trade for a kvm that can switch itself and has ac power (so it doesn't have to be plugged to ps/2 ports for power)
[10:09] <johaBBa> ah, i see
[10:10] <phxguy> holy cow i did fdisk /dev/sda1 and then l
[10:10] <Jesterace> i like my kvm
[10:10] <Jesterace> handy
[10:10] <phxguy> there are so many.... which should i choose???
[10:10] <johaBBa> i just had a funny picture in my head of someone using one keyboard with their hands and the other with their feet at the same time
[10:10] <Jesterace> hit numlock twice then hit up or down and it'll switch pc's
[10:10] <afro-pi> re
[10:10] <crymsan> /dev/sda
[10:10] <black_Nightmare> joha..NEVER for me lol
[10:10] <johaBBa> heh
[10:10] <afro-pi> i've just installed ubuntu
[10:11] <afro-pi> what is the admin pwd ?!? ;-)
[10:11] <afro-pi> (root)
[10:11] <johaBBa> afro-pi, use sudo
[10:11] <black_Nightmare> so...anyhow think it could work to have one pc with two keyboards, the inactive ps/2 cable to kvm (to power it) and the main usb keyboard?
[10:11] <aeolist_> the same as your user's one
[10:11] <afro-pi> seems not...
[10:11] <Jesterace> black_Nightmare,  seems plausible give it a try?
[10:11] <Slaven> afro-pi: you can't login as root at first
[10:11] <afro-pi> it doesn't accept my user pwd
[10:11] <Slaven> login as a normal user
[10:11] <Jesterace> that's the only way we'll find out
[10:11] <black_Nightmare> jest..ok thanks anyhow ;)
[10:11] <johaBBa> afro-pi, root account is disabled by default. type 'man sudo'
[10:11] <Slaven> and type sudo passwd <password>
[10:11] <afro-pi> ok
[10:11] <Jesterace> best to learn by doing :P
[10:11] <afro-pi> thanks
[10:12] <Jesterace> that's my motto
[10:12] <bung__> Slaven: no.
[10:12] <afro-pi> you're right :)
[10:12] <Slaven> ...no?
[10:12] <crymsan> anyone try hoary?
[10:12] <Jesterace> however i refuse to use usb preferals :P
[10:12] <sockler> how do i change my user password
[10:12] <bung__> that'd leave your password in your bash history, which would be a faux pas
[10:12] <bung__> and I'm not sure if it works anyway
[10:12] <johaBBa> crymsan, running hoary on my lappy for about a month now
[10:12] <black_Nightmare> jest...kinda not the best old kvm I got (requiring itself plugged into four ps/2 ports to even work) but anyhow...maybe for now till I get a better kvm
[10:12] <Slaven> yes it works
[10:13] <black_Nightmare> a kvm with ac power so it wouldn't need the ps/2 cables ;)
[10:13] <bung__> doing "passwd foo" sets the password for user foo
[10:13] <Jesterace> black_Nightmare, mine is powered that way too
[10:13] <crymsan> any reason why I wouldn't be able to boot the new release?
[10:13] <robl^> hoary is about stable enough for a release?
[10:13] <robl^> why am I wasting my time fetching warty :)
[10:13] <Jesterace> robl^, I think it's stable enough
[10:13] <Slaven> yeah, I meant sudo passwd <root>
[10:13] <Jesterace> i'm running it :P
[10:14] <johaBBa> crymsan, not sure what you are asking...
[10:14] <Slaven> eh, sudo passwd root, even
[10:14] <bung__> aha
[10:14] <Jesterace> i haven't even really used warty since i needed hoary to have sound :P
[10:14] <bung__> sorry for being anal then :)
[10:14] <Bazzi> What packages do I need in order to compile a kernel driver module?
[10:14] <black_Nightmare> hmm...one tricky question...
[10:14] <Uboo> What conifguration file does "Windows Preferences" edit? I want to see if I can edit some stuff there to make it work how I want it to.
[10:14] <johaBBa> sry, no PM.
[10:14] <black_Nightmare> is it bios or os installion level to detect what kind of video source to use?
[10:14] <Jesterace> Bazzi, build-essential fakeroot linux-headers and kernel-package i would recommend
[10:15] <black_Nightmare> like say you have a computer and connect it immedately via tv/out cables to a tv before installing an os to the blank empty hd
[10:15] <Bazzi> why fakeroot / what is that?
[10:15] <robl^> Jesterace: should be no problem updating from preview to the release version later?  atpt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[10:15] <Jesterace> robl^, should be fine :)
[10:15] <Jesterace> that's how i do it
[10:15] <Jesterace> i have no hoary cds
[10:15] <Jesterace> just plenty of warty cds
[10:16] <robl^> ohh..
[10:16] <asgh> hi
[10:16] <crymsan> hey
[10:16] <asgh> i'm having some trouble with grub in ubuntu
[10:16] <robl^> Jesterace: basically the same as in debian going from stable to testing  for warty to hoary?
[10:16] <Jesterace> so i install warty then immediately update /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the hoary repo's then run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:16] <asgh> can anyone help me?
[10:16] <Jesterace> yeah
[10:17] <HcE> asgh: don't ask to ask, ask! (-:
[10:17] <ob1kenobi> asgh, what's happening?
[10:17] <black_Nightmare> or I guess my question is new? :p
[10:17] <asgh> i have 2 hard drives, one with winx and one with ubuntu
[10:18] <ob1kenobi> asgh, me too
[10:18] <asgh> and grub won't let me boot winxp
[10:18] <asgh> it gives error 23: error while parsing numbr
[10:19] <Jesterace> asgh, which hd is xp on? primary or secondary?
[10:19] <ob1kenobi> asgh, what is your last lines of menu.lst, those concerning windows?
[10:19] <asgh> i think xp is primary master
[10:19] <Bazzi> Jesterace what do I do when /lib/modules/2.6.10-5/build is not found? you happen to know what's missing then?
[10:19] <Jesterace> hrmm
[10:20] <Bazzi> It's like driving me nuts here.
[10:20] <asgh>  title           Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[10:20] <asgh> root            (sd1,0)
[10:20] <asgh> makeactive
[10:20] <asgh> chainloader     +1
[10:20] <asgh> savedefault
[10:20] <Bazzi> I cannot get that damn thing to compile
[10:20] <asgh> last lines of menu.lst
[10:20] <Jesterace> did you get the headers that are for your kernel?
[10:20] <Bazzi> yep
[10:20] <Kamion> Bazzi: linux-headers-* packages, I imagine
[10:20] <Jesterace> linux-headers-$(name -r) will pull the matching kernel headers if you apt-get
[10:20] <Bazzi> I've got linux-headers-2.6.10-5 (so the right ones)
[10:20] <ob1kenobi> asgh, you win xp is on secondary drive
[10:21] <Kamion> Bazzi: you'll need e.g. linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:21] <_linux_newb_>      uname -r
[10:21] <Kamion> $ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-29_i386.deb | grep 'build '
[10:21] <flyingsquirrel54> is there an easy way to format/partition/mount filesystems with ubuntu (gui)
[10:21] <Kamion> lrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2005-03-22 17:15:07 ./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:21] <asgh> i'm sure it is on master but i don't really remember if it is primary or secondary..
[10:21] <Bazzi> wtf.
[10:21] <Bazzi> I had the wrong version apparently.
[10:21] <GnuKemist> Kamion: please use #flood for this
[10:21] <Jesterace> wonder if i can grab the vanilla kernel source from kernel.org and compile my own hehe
[10:21] <Bazzi> head->table
[10:22] <Kamion> Bazzi: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 is a common package to save space
[10:22] <ob1kenobi> asgh, from your file (sd1,0) is not the primary. (sd0,0) is the primary
[10:22] <Kamion> GnuKemist: no I think two lines to illustrate help I'm giving is quite reasonable
[10:22] <ob1kenobi> asgh, try moving the line chainloader as the last
[10:22] <Kamion> four or five lines, sure
[10:23] <bitstream> hello
[10:23] <GnuKemist> Kamion: nm then... no harm
[10:23] <ob1kenobi> asgh, and check the disk (primary/secondary).
[10:23] <ob1kenobi> asgh, you can check from ubuntu.
[10:23] <asgh> how?
[10:24] <VladDrac> anyone know what might cause audio to fail with my haupage tv-card?
[10:24] <VladDrac> I thought all it required was the msp3400 module (which is loaded)
[10:24] <ob1kenobi> asgh, sudo fdisk -l
[10:24] <bitstream> any1 can tell me if i can install PHP and mysql with the synaptic package manager ?
[10:25] <asgh> yes, i did fdisk -l...how do i see which one is primary?
[10:25] <ob1kenobi> asgh, and look at the results. You will see NTFS. If it says sda1 or sda2..
[10:25] <marcin_ant> theantix: ip address and what...
[10:25] <asgh> sda1
[10:25] <marcin_ant> theantix: ipp://[hostip] /printers/printername?
[10:25] <ob1kenobi> asgh, so your disk is primary. change the entry in menu.-lst with (sd0,0)
[10:25] <bitstream> btw i try to mount ntfs partition but cant access it from the file manager :(
[10:26] <asgh> ok, did that
[10:26] <ob1kenobi> reboot
[10:26] <jazzka> hi!
[10:26] <asgh> ok
[10:26] <asgh> thx a lot
[10:26] <marcin_ant> theantix: or http://[hostip] /printers/printername... or maybe something else?
[10:26] <ob1kenobi> asgh, no problem
[10:26] <black_Nightmare> any of you know what hd formats ubuntu can read presently? (at the hoary preview version)
[10:26] <asgh> i'm really enjoying ubuntu
[10:26] <asgh> brb
[10:26] <A-star> just a quick question
[10:26] <bitstream> hd format?
[10:26] <jazzka> My linux desktop (warty) was running ok during almost 7 months until today.
[10:26] <ob1kenobi> asgh, you will soon format your ntfs partition!
[10:27] <jazzka> I've rebooted and the gnome applications bar has dissappeared
[10:27] <ob1kenobi> A-star, go ahead
[10:27] <jazzka> any help?
[10:27] <black_Nightmare> bitstream...in another word for your kind of people: partitions
[10:27] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[10:27] <jazzka> is there any way to restore the gnome dekstop?
[10:27] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, any.
[10:27] <A-star> after I installed openssh-server I want to install freenx, this depends on the ssh package (which does the same as the openssh-server and client).
[10:27] <bitstream> black_Nightmare, :))
[10:27] <A-star> Do I need to install the openssh-server then?
[10:27] <black_Nightmare> ob1...hrm...even HFS?
[10:28] <bitstream> black_Nightmare, can u tell me if i can find quick php/mysql IDE for ubuntu?
[10:28] <Kamion> A-star: ssh is a transitional package that depends on openssh-server and openssh-client; yes, you still need openssh-server
[10:28] <bitstream> i mean quick to install
[10:28] <Kamion> A-star: freenx should probably depend on the virtual package ssh-server
[10:29] <Slaven> bitstream: quanta, maybe?
[10:29] <black_Nightmare> umm no idea LOL bitstream..I'm just trying to get understanding of ubuntu -- hope to try make an cdr and install it on mine pc by the time the weekend is around
[10:29] <Kamion> A-star: but the ssh split is a relatively recent change and a lot of stuff hasn't adapted yet
[10:29] <|QuaD-> beagle 0.8 released today :)
[10:29] <ob1kenobi> bitstream, gedit
[10:29] <black_Nightmare> just want to figure some compactibility and software questions first
[10:29] <bitstream> Slaven, is it good?
[10:29] <black_Nightmare> so...can hoary preview r/w to HFS hd's?
[10:29] <A-star> ok thanks for the info
[10:29] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, yes even hfs
[10:30] <Slaven> I think it's nice. but it's a qt application so it might look a little mismatch on a gnome desktop.
[10:30] <Slaven> unless you've configured KDE visuals.
[10:30] <bitstream> i'm trying to install nusphere phpedit but it requires some libraries i cant find in the synaptic pkg manager
[10:30] <GnuKemist> bitstream: I saw a live demo of Komodo... awsome!!!  but it isn't free...
[10:30] <ob1kenobi> bitstream, I have installed NVU and it is nice with php
[10:30] <black_Nightmare> hm ty... so linux, fat16, fat32, HFS, HFS+, what else can it 'see'? :p
[10:30] <bitstream> nusphere PHPedit is soooo coool
[10:31] <Slaven> black: ntfs?
[10:31] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, it is hard to list here all fdisk types... a lot!
[10:31] <crymsan> can it write to ntfs?
[10:31] <bitstream> i'm new to ubunto
[10:31] <Slaven> there are drivers for that now too, aren't there?
[10:31] <bitstream> so i dont know how to install shit on it
[10:31] <black_Nightmare> oh ic ob1 so in a word "almost anything if its already been there for several months" ... right?
[10:31] <bitstream> i've never seen debian either
[10:31] <A-star> anyone here who wants to help me with the configuration of freenx?
[10:31] <bitstream> crymsan,  no
[10:31] <mrtx> sudo sucks!
[10:32] <neighbordude> guys where do I 'set' the desktop depth in gnome ??
[10:32] <flyingsquirrel54> what's the easiest way of mounting a volume?
[10:32] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, c'mon... I'm not jocking.. seriously
[10:32] <GnuKemist> bitstream: easy... just remember apt-get install [app name]
[10:32] <asgh> didn't work =|
[10:32] <bitstream> GnuKemist, what is that?
[10:32] <neighbordude> I mean can desktop depth be set anywhere in gconf ?
[10:33] <GnuKemist> bitstream: the way to install programs
[10:33] <black_Nightmare> hmm ok think I don't have any more questions left except about modems compactibility but....no rush on that part yet
[10:33] <black_Nightmare> :p
[10:33] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, if the device or disk is recognised by hotplug it should be automatically mounted
[10:33] <Jesterace> neighbordude, which are you using warty or hoary?
[10:33] <GnuKemist> bitstream: via the console
[10:33] <bitstream> but
[10:33] <neighbordude> Jesterace, hoary preview release
[10:33] <bitstream> i have to get it first in debian pkg format?right?
[10:33] <Jesterace> ok
[10:33] <GnuKemist> bitstream: you can always use Syanptic
[10:33] <black_Nightmare> any of you heard of symbios pci cards?
[10:34] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, otherwise you should use mount -t auto /dev/whatever /some/directory
[10:34] <Jesterace> neighbordude, check under system -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution
[10:34] <flyingsquirrel54> I've got 2 windows partitions ntfs and fat3 where will they be mounted?
[10:34] <GnuKemist> bitstream: is mysql in the portage system?
[10:34] <Jesterace> and if the modes aren't there then you'll need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to support the proper depth
[10:34] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, that depends - have a look in /media it's the most likely place
[10:34] <neighbordude> Jesterace, been there done that and its not there faict
[10:35] <black_Nightmare> was just wondering about this cheap scsi pci card I had...dunno about leave in there or take it out
[10:35] <neighbordude> Jesterace, ie: all you can set is res and refresh rate but n ot 'depth'
[10:35] <snetx10> i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system?
[10:35] <Jesterace> ah color depth true
[10:35] <neighbordude> Jesterace, yup
[10:35] <snetx10> i'm running hoary
[10:35] <Jesterace> you'll have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and select the color depth you want
[10:35] <black_Nightmare> it seem to cause quite some trouble to 98se's device list but somehow works just fine with another non-window os
[10:35] <neighborlee> Jesterace, yeah exactly..I had a hunch..darn gnome needs a gui for this <G>
[10:35] <Jesterace> hehe
[10:35] <neighborlee> :)
[10:36] <Jesterace> that's true
[10:36] <Jesterace> some nix version have a nice configurator for them
[10:36] <ob1kenobi> black_Nightmare, no prob for ubuntu. it will get recognized
[10:36] <black_Nightmare> hm ok thanks ;)
[10:37] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, any luck?
[10:37] <black_Nightmare> say... does it have to be specific to particular scanners all the times or think its possible to have like a generic user-customized scanner driver? (user select color and res for starters)
[10:37] <black_Nightmare> if that seem like a stupid thought then delete it
[10:37] <stazz> is there any ubuntu-specific tools?
[10:37] <black_Nightmare> :P
[10:37] <flyingsquirrel54> yeh,
[10:37] <flyingsquirrel54> sort of.
[10:37] <grogoreo> hi
[10:38] <flyingsquirrel54> it mounted, but I don't have permission to open
[10:38] <flyingsquirrel54> wait, I did the ntfs, I should do the fat instead
[10:38] <snetx10> hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)
[10:39] <black_Nightmare> brb..trying find card jumpers again
[10:39] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, Ubuntu only has read support for ntfs - regardless of permissions
[10:39] <grogoreo> im trying to change the permissions of a group of folders (one folder with lots of sub folders) and i can change the permissions by using the command: chmod -R 755 folder    but i want to specify a user with that. any ideas?
[10:39] <flyingsquirrel54> what about fat?
[10:39] <black_Nightmare> oh damn **** it.  my favorite hardware site closed down... :|
[10:39] <alavista> grogoreo: you run latter: chown -R newuser folder
[10:39] <black_Nightmare> any of you know any site for jumper/pinout for older pci+isa cards?
[10:39] <alexwillmer> grogoreo, use chown to do that, only root (or sudo) can do it thougg
[10:40] <grogoreo> thanks alavista and alexwillmer
[10:40] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, read write support - you may need to adjust mount permissions to get write support as a normal user
[10:41] <black_Nightmare> sorry..nevermind I found a previously-hidden mirror
[10:41] <Skid> hi folks, I've just updated to horay but my x config is broke now.. I can't seem to get it up, looking at the log, there's a version mismatch, but I can't seem to sort it
[10:41] <flyingsquirrel54> alex willmer: yeah, fat works fine. I didn't expect the other one anyway.
[10:42] <jeanjean> xmms dont work I ve got these error libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:42] <jeanjean> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:42] <flyingsquirrel54> Actually the reason I asked was just to see if there is a gui way of doing it?
[10:42] <jeanjean> can anybody help
[10:42] <Skid> Error: API mismatch : the NVIDIA kernel module is ver 1.0.6111, but this X Module is version 1.0.6629 pls be aware that your kernel and NVIDIA driver must have the same vrsion
[10:42] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, cool - were they already mounted, or did you need to do it manually?
[10:42] <flyingsquirrel54> manually
[10:42] <flyingsquirrel54> is there a gui way of doing it?
[10:42] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: manually as "root" (or sudo) or normal user?
[10:43] <alexwillmer> ok, try this - from the menu bar, Computer -> Disks
[10:43] <flyingsquirrel54> sudo, I was told here earlier that ubuntu doesn't allow one to do su!
[10:43] <LinuxLover> hello
[10:43] <flyingsquirrel54> I just installed today!
[10:43] <alexwillmer> each icon should allow you to right click and mount or unmount
[10:43] <snetx10> hi all, i'm not getting any sound on my ubuntu hoary system.. my sound card must not be set up properly or something.. how can i get sound on my system? (i have 4 speakers and a subwoofer setup)
[10:44] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, su is different to sudo
[10:44] <maddler> flyingsquirrel54... you need to do "sudo su"
[10:44] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: hmm, since you mounted as root (sudo way), it's by default read-only. You can specify a mount option to be accessible by normal user.
[10:44] <LinuxLover> Why does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?
[10:44] <A-star> woehoe, freenx finally works now
[10:44] <flyingsquirrel54> which Icons do I right click on?
[10:45] <jeanjean> snetx10: Go to System --> Prefernces --> Select multimedia system
[10:45] <flyingsquirrel54> and how do I specify r/w
[10:45] <alexwillmer> unmount from the command line (using sudo) then try the icons in Computer->Disks, it might Just Work(tm)
[10:45] <snetx10> jeanjean: thank you :)
[10:45] <LinuxLover> I have a few questions, can anyone help?
[10:45] <snetx10> dont ask to ask, just ask!
[10:45] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, fire away
[10:45] <snetx10> :)
[10:46] <maddler> linuxboy... about the questions? or about what the questions are about? ;)
[10:46] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: it's better to mount as normal user or use the graphical interface. else, you delve more and more in complexity and things do not work..
[10:46] <LinuxLover> Why does Ubuntu just stall when I try to load the live CD? It boots up fine, but when it gets to the loading screen with the bar at the bottom, it just stalls. Any help?
[10:46] <bitstream> da,mit
[10:46] <bitstream> damnit that is
[10:46] <flyingsquirrel54> no, when I right click I don't see anything about mounting
[10:46] <bitstream> i get weird errors
[10:46] <alexwillmer> alavista, there is that, too many longer term users need to be weened from the command line when giving advice (self included)
[10:47] <jeanjean> LinuxLover --> try to write or download the cd again ?
[10:47] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, not with just that, I'd need more details
[10:47] <LinuxLover> It's a pressed copy, from Ubuntu. I just received it in the mail 3 days ago
[10:47] <bitstream> when i uncommented the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list synaptick pkg manager says it cant connect to the sercers
[10:48] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, is that the icons in Disks?
[10:48] <LinuxLover> Alright, what else do you need to know? I put it in, boots up to the loading screen and just stalls there. Like it freezes.
[10:48] <bitstream> any1 knows why is that?
[10:48] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, sorry the window will be titled Computer, the menu entry is called Disks
[10:48] <flyingsquirrel54> I've got 4 icons, floppy1, cdrom1 filesystem, network
[10:49] <alavista> bitstream: you can enable/disable repositories from the graphical interface..
[10:49] <Skid> can anyone help me with X and nvidia please?
[10:49] <Skid> i knew I shouldn't of updated to horay :/
[10:50] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok, that's the one. And there's no mount/unmount option in the menu when you rightclick an icon?
[10:50] <jeanjean> Skid: Hoary ?
[10:50] <LinuxLover> And also, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?
[10:50] <Skid> yep
[10:50] <flyingsquirrel54> no
[10:50] <Skid> horay, whatever
[10:50] <alavista> Skid: you probably need to install the correct version of the NVidia driver. You may be able to do from command line or configure manually your Xorg server to use some default low resolution so that you do graphically...
[10:50] <Tux-Rox> Anyone know if beagle / best is going to make it into 5.04? I saw a wiki page saying it is in restricted, but it is not it seems....
[10:50] <Skid> I've just updated nvidia from apt.. and im using XFee86, not Xorg
[10:50] <flyingsquirrel54> open, open new window, copy, prop.
[10:50] <alavista> Tux-Rox: AFAIK, beagle is not ready yet, planned for the next version of Ubuntu, in six months time.
[10:51] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, sorry Filesystem and Network are exceptions try cdrom1 or floppy1
[10:51] <michael__> hey all.. having problems with audio! i tried going to System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector, but that just gives errors for any set up i select
[10:51] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, is it possible to use a different window manager then Ubuntus default one? For example, I want to use Fluxbox, because it uses the least amount of resources and is easy on the computer. Any suggestions?
[10:51] <Tux-Rox> alavista, too bad to hear. I figured since it is going to make it into SuSe 9.3 next month, it would make it in to Hoary.... :-(
[10:51] <flyingsquirrel54> yeah, but that just mounts media that's in the respective devices, no hd's
[10:51] <bitstream> alavista, can u tell me some other repositories?
[10:52] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, ubuntu is tailored for gnome - I'm sure fluxbox is doable, I don't know how though
[10:52] <Jesterace> i used e17 in ubuntu
[10:52] <kkathman> Greetings all :)
[10:53] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok but the entry is there. I have an icon for my windows partition, let me think why you lack one
[10:53] <Jesterace> just a matter of installing the wm then selecting it as a session on the gdm screen once every thing is installed and configured properly
[10:53] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, so what about the stalling problem?
[10:53] <flyingsquirrel54> when "I was installing I didn't tell it to use the partition
[10:54] <flyingsquirrel54> I have only one drive, perhaps you have 2
[10:54] <_phate_> have they fixed the US hoary mirror issue?
[10:54] <alavista> bitstream: a generic list is provided in the update application. I recommend to work on those instead of adding manually other repositories. Risky, especially when you use Hoary.
[10:55] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, I said that I couldn't give an answer jut with the description you gave, what is the last text printed before it stalls, is here any error? does the cd work on another computer?
[10:55] <LinuxLover> No, the screen is the one where it's just a yellow background with the ubuntu logo and the loading bar at the bottom. This is the LiveCD.
[10:55] <alavista> Tux-Rox: Beagle in SuSE 9.3? Strange stuff. Beagle is still being developed.
[10:56] <bitstream> ok
[10:56] <bitstream> 10x man
[10:56] <_phate_> what is the default sources.list for apt-get?
[10:56] <LinuxLover> Does anyone know a site that offers free linux CDs? besides the freelinuxcd project?
[10:56] <michael__> hi all.. i'm having audio problems! i'm currently running ubuntu hoary, and i get error messages when i attempt to run any audio files in xmms.. it recommends that i check my sound card configuration.. but i dont know how to do that
[10:57] <Tux-Rox> alavista, I've read it in a few places today as PR from the Brainshare conference. Could be a confused reporter or two...
[10:57] <geppy> LinuxLover:  Talk to your friends?   And there are no LUGs near my area.
[10:58] <michael__> Jesterface: SB Live!
[10:58] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, so can you suggest something?
[10:58] <Jesterace> michael__, 24bit?
[10:58] <flyingsquirrel54> it's not in the list.
[10:58] <Jesterace> or a good one?
[10:58] <geppy> LinuxLover: I don't know of any other sites, but you can buy CDs in various places.  LinuxISO sells CDs, I think.
[10:59] <flint> DOEs anyone know of any server/channel whihc is mozilla psecific ?
[10:59] <michael__> Jesterace: hmm i dont know if its 24bit..
[10:59] <geppy> Are there any Linux projects similar to Windows' little hardware detection applet?
[10:59] <Jesterace> ahh
[10:59] <LinuxLover> gepp, Alright thanks for the help anyway
[10:59] <Jesterace> because i know  my sb live is a 24bit and i need a different driver than the normal sb live driver
[10:59] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, I've given you my answer, wrt to free CDs I haven't looked I'm happy to pay a few pounds and cheapbytes or similar
[10:59] <geppy> I don't want to duplicate someone elses' work, if there's already something going.
[10:59] <Jesterace> which i had to build myself
[10:59] <bancus> seb128, you around?
[11:00] <michael__> oh
[11:00] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, no not that problem
[11:00] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, the stalling problem.
[11:00] <seb128> bancus: ?
[11:00] <Jesterace> michael__, do me a favor
[11:00] <bancus> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8087
[11:00] <Jesterace> open a terminal and enter lspci
[11:00] <michael__> Jesterace: well, my audio works on the LiveCD but not after i actually installed it on my hard drive
[11:00] <bancus> Which package should I be trying to build from source?
[11:00] <Jesterace> and tell me what the Multimedia audio controller is
[11:00] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, No I don;t have enough information
[11:00] <Jesterace> just so i know which version it is :P
[11:00] <bancus> (Figured it'd be easier to get you IRC than bugzilla messaging.)
[11:00] <Uboo> Files with any special character (stuff with an umlaut for one) on my mounted ntfs partitions won't show up. How do I fix this?
[11:00] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, what is not in the list?
[11:01] <flyingsquirrel54> sorry, there's no entry for my partition in the list. I can add it, I was just looking for an esier way.
[11:01] <alavista> Uboo: hmm, verify that "utf8" encoding is chosen for your ntfs mount..
[11:01] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, I'm talking about the LIVE CD. I'm using it to test out Ubuntu. I put it in my computer and boot it up. The LIVE CD loads up fine until the LOADING SCREEN. The one with the yellow background, the logo, and the loading bar at the bottom. There are no error messages, no writing space, nothing.
[11:01] <michael__> Jesterace: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)
[11:01] <Jesterace> ah ok
[11:01] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, we can also try this with your ntfs volume, what was the full mount command you used?
[11:01] <Jesterace> it has the driver then
[11:01] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:01] <Jesterace> must be a esd thing then
[11:01] <michael__> hmm
[11:01] <Jesterace> it's a good sb live :P
[11:02] <michael__> esd
[11:02] <Jesterace> compared to mine
[11:02] <Uboo> alavista: How do I do that? I simply followed ubuntuguide.org's directions for making it mount on bootup.
[11:02] <jcurry> i'm a debian sid user, running ubuntu's xorg debs...how much trouble would i have editing my sources.list to point to the ubuntu repos and apt-get dist-upgrade'ing?
[11:02] <Jesterace> try a power off then power on
[11:02] <Jesterace> perhaps hardware needs refreshed
[11:02] <michael__> yeh i tried that
[11:02] <alexwillmer> LinuxLover, You've said that and I've said that' not enough for me to go on, please accept that answer
[11:02] <geppy> jcurry:  Only one way to find out.
[11:02] <flyingsquirrel54> sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /data
[11:02] <Jesterace> michael type alsamixer
[11:03] <Jesterace> see if it loads up
[11:03] <michael__> no mixer elems found
[11:03] <jcurry> geppy, true...but i was hoping someone else had already done it, and could make suggestions
[11:03] <LinuxLover> alexwillmer, You could of told me that you don't have an answer, isntead of saying not enough information which makes me assume you need more info. Please be more accurate.
[11:03] <geppy> Try searching the forums, and such.
[11:03] <afro-pi> no mplayer package under ubuntu ?
[11:04] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok, add this line to the end of /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1       /data  ntfs    user,noauto,uid=alex,gid=alex,umask=077         0               0
[11:04] <isam> hi there .. I think I have a stange new problem
[11:04] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, except in your case replace alex with your login name
[11:04] <isam> k3b can't see that I has a cd-writer
[11:04] <isam> and further more.. it doesn't appear in /dev
[11:04] <seb128> bancus: what about it ?
[11:05] <isam> although it used to appear before I upgraded my syetem
[11:05] <alavista> Uboo: Type "locale" in your command prompt and verify that all lines have the same value. Tell us what value that is (looks like "en_US.UTF-8".)
[11:05] <bancus> seb128, I just put a message on it explaining
[11:06] <bancus> seb, which package should I be trying to build?
[11:06] <flyingsquirrel54> yeh, I caught that
[11:06] <jeanjean> can anyone help i got these error if i open xmms: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:06] <flyingsquirrel54> I'm also gonna put my fat in there
[11:06] <alexwillmer> I thought I'd been clear, first I asked for any errors - since none were printed I couldn't help. don't worry about it too much though
[11:06] <Uboo> alavista: Every line has whatever="en_US.UTF-8" excpet the line "LC_ALL=" which is the last line
[11:06] <andril> are there any good .deb repositories?
[11:07] <michael__> Jesterace: no mixer elems found
[11:07] <andril> anyone have issues with themes after installing Hoary?
[11:07] <Jesterace> hrmm
[11:07] <alavista> jeanjean: You need the "mikmod" package for this.
[11:07] <Jesterace> odd
[11:07] <jeanjean> alavista: thx
[11:07] <LinuxLover> Anyone konw what the command to register on this server is
[11:07] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, ok. Once you've saved those changes icons should appear in the Computer window - although it may take a relogin or reboot to take effect
[11:07] <LinuxLover> ?*
[11:07] <alavista> Uboo: ok, your shell info is good then.
[11:08] <Uboo> So, what else could it be?
[11:08] <alavista> LinuxLover: Type "/msg NickServ help"
[11:08] <LinuxLover> I did
[11:08] <LinuxLover> --- nickserv :No such nick/channel
[11:08] <alavista> LinuxLover: you got a password?
[11:08] <LinuxLover> Nope
[11:08] <Uboo> alavista: My fstab says "/dev/hdb1	/media/C	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0" and "/dev/hdb3	/media/D	ntfs	umask=0222	0	0"
[11:08] <flyingsquirrel54> standby...
[11:09] <LinuxLover> Thats why I'm trying to register
[11:09] <michael__> Jesterace: so what sounds like my problem is then?
[11:09] <LinuxLover> are services up?
[11:09] <michael__> Jesterace: would it be that my soundcard is not configured properly, or i dont have the correct output plugin selected?
[11:10] <alavista> Uboo: try adding "utf8" next to the umask parameter (.... umask=0222,utf8 0 0....)
[11:10] <talelxix> can anyone help i just installed ubuntu and cant audio to work
[11:10] <Jesterace> michael__, sounds like the soundcard module isn't installed
[11:10] <Jesterace> running hoary or warty?
[11:10] <michael__> hoary
[11:10] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:10] <alavista> Uboo: I figured out "utf8" by running on the command line "man mount", then looking into the NTFS section.
[11:11] <Uboo> alavista: Same. (I'm using "sudo mount -a" after each change)
[11:11] <flyingsquirrel54> great it works!
[11:11] <LinuxLover> What distro do you people suggest for a Linux newbie? Which distro is suitable for someone who's just starting out with Linux?
[11:11] <flyingsquirrel54> will I be risking data if I edit the ntfs partition?
[11:11] <alavista> LinuxLover: err, ubuntu?
[11:12] <asgh> hi
[11:12] <|QuaD-> LinuxLover = newbie?
[11:12] <LinuxLover> Yes
[11:12] <asgh> having real trouble getting grub to boot winxp can anyone help me?
[11:12] <|QuaD-> interesting choice of nick's then :)
[11:12] <alavista> flyingsquirrel54: better not edit the ntfs partition. specify the flag to mount it read-only ("ro").
[11:12] <andril> Ubuntu of course - easy + Linux = Ubuntu
[11:12] <LinuxLover> |QuaD-, nicknames don't always describe the user.
[11:13] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, the driver won't allow you to write anything, there is a project called captive-ntfs if you absolutely MUST have write access but it's a last resort and takes some configuration
[11:13] <|QuaD-> LinuxLover: it was just a comment :)
[11:13] <black_Nightmare> hey quad :p
[11:13] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, out of interest why did ou choose flyingsquirrel as a nick
[11:13] <|QuaD-> hey black_Nightmare :)
[11:13] <flyingsquirrel54> Let me be sure I have this clear, the way we confi'd It won't LET me edit, right
[11:14] <black_Nightmare> just trying prep my pc down...especially thinkI need fix some screws too
[11:14] <black_Nightmare> then going to see about ubuntu on it
[11:14] <LinuxLover> |QuaD-, so was mine. =D
[11:14] <flyingsquirrel54> good question!
[11:14] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, the ntfs kernel driver has no write support, it's incapable of writing data
[11:14] <crymsan> ubuntu eh? I'm not getting off to a good start ;-) Warty and Hoary won't boot :)
[11:15] <crymsan> well, the cd's won't boot
[11:15] <LinuxLover> My live cd stalls at the loading screen. Have noidea what to do.
[11:15] <flyingsquirrel54> this is, beleive it or not the first time I've used IRC. Back in the day when it was big I didn't have internet.  I kind of like it though
[11:15] <alexwillmer> crysman do any cds bboot for you, the bios must be configured to boot from cd
[11:15] <BockBilbo> hey
[11:15] <crymsan> it will boot a debian cd just fine
[11:15] <black_Nightmare> quad so whats new with YOU anyhow?
[11:16] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me what do the 'd's mean in this ls -ld output: drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   4096 2005-03-23 23:01 folder/
[11:16] <BockBilbo> ?
[11:16] <crymsan> directory
[11:16] <BockBilbo> oh
[11:16] <BockBilbo> :D
[11:16] <crymsan> s = socket
[11:16] <BockBilbo> thanks
[11:16] <asgh> please could anyone help me? i'm getting kinda desperate here...can't get grub to boot up winxp
[11:16] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: same old stuff, exam tomorrow... :(
[11:16] <wavefunction> 'nite.
[11:16] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, heh, it's a bit long but I like it too
[11:17] <phxguy> how can i get my usb wi-fi adapter to work?
[11:17] <black_Nightmare> quad...blah..good luck anyhow.  I hope to get ubuntu on my own pc by the time the weekend is around ;)
[11:17] <flyingsquirrel54> That's perfect about the driver. Thanks for all of your help. Your awsome man!!
[11:17] <flyingsquirrel54> gotta go.
[11:17] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: good luck on that ;)
[11:17] <alexwillmer> flyingsquirrel54, you're welcome good night
[11:17] <crymsan> well, maybe I'll just try to upgrade my debian install into ubuntu, here we go
[11:17] <Jesterace> heh cat damn near tore off the tray to my dvd-rw
[11:17] <black_Nightmare> quad..yeah the only thing I'm not so sure about is that I'm told I might have to configure my one and only isa card manually :|
[11:17] <wavefunction> Is it possible to know how a given .deb was compiled ?
[11:17] <black_Nightmare> I hope I can do okay
[11:18] <|QuaD-> black_Nightmare: whats an isa card?
[11:18] <black_Nightmare> quad.. creative soundblaster 16 [pnp isa card]
[11:18] <black_Nightmare> its in the isa slot
[11:18] <crymsan> the card that isn't a pci, or an agp :)
[11:18] <alexwillmer> crymsan, there are 2 methods of making bootable linux cds IIRC, some bioses don't work with the second, that may be it
[11:18] <black_Nightmare> crym..LOL
[11:19] <Kamion> wavefunction: apt-get source <package>, start with debian/ruels
[11:19] <crymsan> alexwillmer, sorry, two methods? what methods are these?
[11:19] <Kamion> wavefunction: er, debian/rules
[11:19] <alexwillmer> crymsan, my recolection is hazy, one sec
[11:21] <michael__> Jesterace: so if the sound card module isn't installed.. what do i install then?
[11:21] <wavefunction> Kamion: So, then I can download the sources, define new configuration and then use debian/ubuntu tool for generating a new package, right ?
[11:21] <asgh> has anyone had any trouble with SATA hard drives and grub?
[11:22] <Kamion> wavefunction: yeah, install devscripts and fakeroot and use 'debuild'
[11:23] <alexwillmer> crymsan, I'm afraid I can't find a reference. I believe it's something like (1) fake it: embed a bootable floppy image, bios loads that which boots and loads stuff from cd (2) really do it, bootstrap loaded straight from cd and continue from there. Some BIOSs only support (1) which was an interim hack
[11:24] <alexwillmer> crymsan, it's possible that debian uses 1 for compatibility and Ubuntu uses 2, but that's only a guess
[11:24] <wavefunction> Kamion: Thanks, for the help ! I'll try that.
[11:25] <crymsan> alexwillmer, thanks, I'll try upgrading the bios, and if not try upgrading from debian
[11:27] <punkrockguy318> Hmm.. It seems that ubuntulinux is vulnerable to fork bombs by default...
[11:27] <michael__> i tried to apt-get xmms-esd, but it isn't there.. i suppose my sources list isn't complete..  what settings are you people using for sources.list?
[11:27] <michael__> for hoary
[11:28] <punkrockguy318> michael__, i have a pretty complete sources.list and it's not coming up
[11:28] <alexwillmer> crysma simple workaround would be to boot from floppy, Ubuntu must supply an image
[11:28] <fubared> what runlevels should hotplug be in?
[11:28] <michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. thanks
[11:29] <Kamion> alexwillmer: sadly not, our 2.6 kernels won't fit on a floppy
[11:29] <Heliode> Good evening all
[11:29] <Kamion> alexwillmer: I'll check the isolinux/el-torito thing tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure we're the same as Debian in this regard
[11:31] <andril> hy now
[11:31] <andril> anyone using MPlayer?
[11:31] <Heliode> I've got a question; does anyone here have any experiance using WLAN cards with ubuntu? Mine works fine (with NDISWrapper) but its a pain to have it connect to wireless networks. i use it at school and at home, and sometimes i have to reboot the machine before it will even detect networks
[11:32] <michael__> anyone who can help me: i'm having audio problems.. i get no audio from my speakers.. when i go to System->Preferences-> Multimedia Systems Selector and choose any of the  different output sinks, i still get errors
[11:32] <punkrockguy318> michael__, is your volume up?
[11:32] <michael__> yes
[11:33] <punkrockguy318> michael__, what are your errors?
[11:33] <alexwillmer> crymsan, Kamion this might fit the bill http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2004-October/010325.html
[11:33] <black_Nightmare> any of you willing to help me find info on one particular pci card?
[11:33] <michael__> well for example when i click the test button in the Multimedia Systems Selector, i get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'"
[11:34] <theine> Hi, I'm not able to install ubuntu-base under Hoary after the last 'apt-get update'
[11:34] <theine> Is this a known problem?
[11:34] <punkrockguy318> theine, yup, be patient...
[11:34] <alexwillmer> hmm, maybe not
[11:34] <theine> alright
[11:34] <sockler> is 128mb of ram enough to run ubuntu? because thats what i have and its going realllll slow
[11:34] <punkrockguy318> theine, libc-686 needs to be compiled and released etc
[11:34] <theine> I see
[11:34] <michael__> when i run volume meter, i get the error "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." and when i do that, there is no esd command
[11:35] <black_Nightmare> sockler..I think its suggested to have at least 256MB
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> michael__, sudo apt-get install esd
[11:35] <michael__> punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp does not exist
[11:35] <alexwillmer> anyway, time for bed, good night all
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> oh
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> michael__, looks like your soundcard isn't being detected..
[11:35] <LuckyStrike> Hello all
[11:35] <tahorg> anyone here has tried beagle on ubuntu ?
[11:36] <michael__> punkrockguy318: well actually wait the command does process, but it says /dev/dsp no such device
[11:36] <tahorg> I've got a lock timeout from mono
[11:36] <socomm> tahorg: google
[11:36] <michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?
[11:36] <tahorg> but dunno where it comes from
[11:36] <tahorg> socomm: I used the wiki
[11:36] <tahorg> socomm: but I've an exception from mono :(
[11:36] <geppy> Does anyone know of a plug'n'play hardware detection solution similar to Windows' pop-up applet daemon?
[11:36] <socomm> tahorg: All right, you gotta setup your FS to be indexed and what not.
[11:37] <tahorg>  /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro
[11:37] <tahorg> that was in the wiki
[11:37] <socomm> geppy: automount?
[11:38] <geppy> socomm: Automount only works with harddrives, cd-rom drives, flash drives, and the like, right?
[11:38] <socomm> geppy: As far as I know, yes.
[11:38] <geppy> socomm: I'm looking specifically for a USB plug'n'play applet for webcams, USB headphones, etc.
[11:38] <socomm> Storage devices in general will show up on your desktop.
[11:38] <geppy> socomm:  More specifically, I'm wanting to write one, and I'm trying to make sure I don't duplicate someone else's work uselessly.
[11:39] <turko> hi, i dont known how to write in english but i need help....with cups
[11:39] <geppy> socomm: I'm wanting to clone Windows' little pop-up hardware detection thingy with something that automatically downloads and installs the drivers for detected devices via apt.
[11:39] <socomm> geppy: Haven't heard of such a thing, but I'd   visit a search engine before taking up such a task.
[11:39] <andrewski> socomm: you in here too? :)
[11:40] <socomm> andrewski: Yes I wanted to see if there was any discussion about the slashdot story.
[11:40] <michael__> punkrockguy318: oh.. what do i do about that then?
[11:40] <andrewski> socomm: slashdot?
[11:40] <geppy> socomm:  I've been trying, but I haven't met any kind of success.  autodetection and plug'n'play just kind of ruin the hope of finding anything.
[11:40] <punkrockguy318> michael__, hmm...
[11:40] <andrewski> socomm: so you don't usu ubuntu?
[11:40] <socomm> andrewski: Yes, but I don't hang out here much.
[11:40] <geppy> socomm:  Some of us have gotten off of our /. addiction;  what is the article? =)
[11:40] <LuckyStrike> How can i auto-identify in xchat?
[11:41] <andrewski> socomm: oh, what slashdot story are you talking about?
[11:41] <socomm> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/23/1820243.shtml?tid=163&tid=90&tid=106
[11:41] <geppy> yeargh
[11:41] <geppy> is that about NeroLinux?
[11:41] <thoreauputic>  Yqa,  [Yqa]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: Pamella is doing on-join spam
[11:41] <socomm> Executive summary: Rumors of UserLinux and Ubutnu merging to one Uber distro.
[11:42] <geppy> socomm: Oooh.
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> socomm, did you hear the other /. story? ubuntu is vulnerable to fork bombs
[11:42] <Burgundavia> mailing list post by jdub to userlinux
[11:42] <Burgundavia> and it got a mixed reception
[11:42] <andrewski> UserLinux... never heard of it.
[11:42] <socomm> punkrockguy318: Haven't read that story as of yet.
[11:42] <Burgundavia> and then Bruce Perens said no
[11:42] <turko> alguien que hable espaol y me ayude con cups...quien puede ser?
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> ok just one question before I start yanking cards around (ROFL....me funny) = recoken it wouldn't be difficult to use an ati all-in-wonder radeon 7500 for vga, tv viewing, and to record video to the hd even if I need seperate software for some of the functions?
[11:42] <mwylde> Bruce Perens said on /. that he was sticking with Debian
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> socomm, it's a couple days old
[11:42] <black_Nightmare> its an agp 64mb sdram card
[11:43] <socomm> andrewski: http://www.userlinux.com
[11:43] <geppy> black_Nightmare: That'd be really easy on windows.
[11:43] <mjr> mwylde, hmh, rather a shame, methinks
[11:43] <mwylde> With the state of debian release schedules, I can't see why he's sticking with it
[11:43] <mjr> userlinux and ubuntu would seem to be a good match to me
[11:43] <black_Nightmare> geppy..and for ubuntu?  I was told there's a tv player program already
[11:43] <mwylde> yeah
[11:44] <socomm> geppy: Anyways you'd have to write something specific to GNOME/KDE/XFCE/* whatever. Or a daemon to run in the background and have it communicate with applets written in different Tool Kits.
[11:44] <geppy> black_Nightmare:  I don't know, but my friends have never gotten their ATI cards to work properly.
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> hm :\
[11:44] <geppy> socomm:  Right, I was definitely looking to do it just for GNOME.
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> and I only have ati cards...
[11:44] <punkrockguy318> feel so insecure about my ssh when i am vulnerable to a fork bomb
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> may as well as just prop an ati rage agp in and see if that still works
[11:44] <black_Nightmare> but...I have the aiw laying right there..blah oh well
[11:45] <mwylde> I'm using Kubuntu, and I can't seem to set my display resolution above 1024768
[11:45] <geppy> socomm:  I'm looking to have a daemon that just reads the system messages, and acts appropriately. =)
[11:45] <punkrockguy318> mwylde, same here w/ ubuntu
[11:45] <mwylde> I have an ATI 9200
[11:45] <socomm> Well if you don't have drivers for something I doubt you'll be able to read it.
[11:45] <punkrockguy318> geppy, seems like a good idea... usually obscure hardware isn't in the kernel by default
[11:45] <mwylde> It works fine with FC3
[11:45] <theine> black_Nightmare: my ati card works rather nicely under Ubuntu
[11:45] <socomm> Or access it.
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> hmm...ok I'll try swap the aiw7500 in for now..even if it actually only works as vga card right away
[11:46] <black_Nightmare> thanks a lot
[11:46] <geppy> socomm:  Could you not identify the device, then download drivers for it?
[11:46] <socomm> geppy: Not to my knowledge.
[11:46] <geppy> socomm:  HMm..
[11:47] <socomm> I'm have a very limited knowledge on this area though.
[11:47] <geppy> socomm:  How would Windows do it, then?  They still have to download the drivers once they identify the device.
[11:47] <lrojas> can anybody tell me what to do to enable syntax highlighting in emacs-nox for html, php, css, etc?
[11:47] <garrut> hi, anyone here got experience with setting up a dns server for a local network?
[11:47] <reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
[11:47] <socomm> geppy: They probably recognize it as a generic device, then let you figure out what sort of device it is.
[11:47] <black_Nightmare> I just decided to take another look at the wiki again and guess what I found? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards it has an aiw9800 in the list.....so maybe I'm not too far off
[11:48] <aldarsior> hey, the default config for rhythmbox seems to not support mp3s, is there a way to correct this or should I just use something else for music?
[11:48] <socomm> geppy: Let you figure out the make, model, etc.
[11:48] <reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
[11:48] <geppy> socomm: On Windows?  With all of the webcams, USB sound devices, etc, that I've used, it auto-magically determines what it is, and only notifies you as it progresses in installing it.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> aldarsior: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:49] <reraq> debian da x yeniden nasi configure ederim? x acilmio
[11:49] <reraq> hi. i have problem with X. how can i reconfigure it again? i m on single mod now
[11:49] <aldarsior> thoreauputic: thanks a bunch.
[11:49] <socomm> geppy: Yes it determines that it's a web cam and lets you figure out what sorta cam it is.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> aldarsior: you'll need the universe repository
[11:49] <thoreauputic> aldarsior: and you're welcome :)
[11:50] <geppy> socomm:  Hmmm, I definitely remember this incorrectly.  I'll have to play around with some of my friends' Windows boxes this week. =)
[11:50] <socomm> geppy: You'd probably better off discussing this on ubuntu's mailing list though.
[11:50] <geppy> socomm: Alright, thanks! =)
[11:50] <socomm> Sorry I wasn't of more help. :^)
[11:51] <geppy> socomm:  Don't be, linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net is entertaining me. =)
[11:51] <socomm> geppy: Good luck.