[14:34] <nikolam> for some weird reason, thunar windows stop responding..
[14:44] <nikolam> It starte falling apart, once one ZFS pool on USB, started throwing I/O errors.
[16:00] <xubuntu35d> Hallo Everybody, I disabled in linux XUbuntu from the options in Notepadqq to see the menu, now I don't know what to do to be able to see it again. I'm new in Linux, maybe there is a special key here too like in Windows (Alt) to see it?
[16:00] <xubuntu35d> Thanks and sorry for the request.
[16:10] <GridCloud> xubuntu35d: can you explain better?
[16:10] <GridCloud> what did you disabled?
[16:11] <GridCloud> the window borders?
[16:11] <GridCloud> oh, in particular the menu on notepadqq?
[16:12] <GridCloud> xubuntu35d: have you tried pressing F10?
[16:34] <xubuntu35d> in the Notepadqq application, from its options, I disabled the menu display. Now, since I can no longer go into the menu, I cannot go into 'options' and re-enable the menu display. It's a dog biting its own tail, I know, hahahah.
[16:34] <xubuntu35d> I've tried F10 and also other keys and nothing happens. I've also searched the forums and help for the Notepadqq program without finding anything about it.
[16:39] <xubuntu35d> Solved! In a chat I was advised to try Ctrl+M, it worked.
[16:39] <xubuntu35d> Anyway, thank you all.
[16:54] <euge> hi
[16:59] <GridCloud> oh! MrTulias so long no see
[16:59] <MrTulias> A lot off, yeah :p
[20:08] <srv> 2021


[00:07] <cjwatson> phillw: I could probably compute it in time, but #ubuntu-mirrors probably has somebody who knows off the top of their head
[00:12] <phillw> cjwatson: soz, it's about 700GB, but was not the question the person who asked me really meant. He meant that a lot of mirrors seem 'out of sync', to which your answer is the best as I did not know that the channel existed. Thanks for the link :)
[16:06] <xnox> so i have run the archive-scanner and got an updated tarball of postprocessed .desktop files and icons.
[16:06] <xnox> looking at app-install-data-ubuntu though, the layout is a bit different.
[16:07] <xnox> am I correct to assume that I should more or less, update the menu-data/ subfolder with the tarball I got from the archive scan and that's the gist of it?
[16:07] <xnox> stgraber: cjwatson ^^^
[16:08] <stgraber> no idea, my knowledge goes as far as "ping mvo" for that one ;)
[16:09] <xnox> stgraber: it's just i spotted menu-data-edubuntu that is all =)
[16:10] <infinity> We've pretty miserably failed at knowledge sharing on how that all works.
[16:10] <infinity> But if doing what you said produces a plausibly sane package that's kinda like the old one, that might be right. :P
[16:10] <infinity> And it might really need a README.source
[16:11] <Laney> right, I'd say ping mvo to help you walk through it and make damn sure it's documented well enough for someone else to do it next time
[16:11] <Laney> you can use me to retrace your steps to see if we end up with the same thing
[16:12] <infinity> Indeed, if Laney can do it, it's probably foolproof.
[16:12]  * infinity ducks.
[16:12]  * xnox goes to do validation / comparison.
[16:13] <Laney> !coc | infinity
[16:13] <ubot2> infinity: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct  | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv
[16:13] <Laney> :P
[16:13] <infinity> *cough*
[16:14] <xnox> infinity: i believe Laney deserves to be slapped around a bit with something wet =)
[16:14] <infinity> To be fair, the CoC leaves no room for good-natured ribbing, he's not wrong that I violated it.
[16:14] <infinity> I just think the CoC is wrong. :P
[16:14]  * Laney backs away slowly
[16:14] <xnox> Laney: you did that and didn't get reminded about !coc
[16:16] <Laney> I look forward to your trout in Oakland
[16:17]  * xnox notes to check if Scottish Trout is O.K. with USA Customs and Border Protection
[16:17] <cjwatson> xnox: that's what I understand, but I've only ever driven this from the client side, never attempted to run the archive scanner.  There's a script for it which did the right thing last I checked without layout changes, so I'd tend to interpret a layout change as a sign of something being wrong
[16:18] <cjwatson> I don't remember which of update-menu-data.sh and update-menu-data-from-file.sh I used
[16:20] <xnox> cjwatson: right, that's correct. That script will take my generated tarball, the two are compatible.
[16:20] <cjwatson> except that it appears to be producing unusual output :)
[16:21] <xnox> it's just that there are a few more util scripts in the ubuntu package like: addKeywords.py addPopconData.py and I'm not sure if I should run it.
[16:21] <xnox> cjwatson: oh, I was expecting .orig.tar.gz from the archive scanner, without the step of "importing" that into the ubuntu package.
[16:22] <xnox> cjwatson: the import script & the archive-scanner tarball look like a matching pair with nothing unusual.
[16:28] <cjwatson> the util scripts you refer to are run by pre-build.sh
[16:28] <cjwatson> so use bzr bd -S
[16:32]  * xnox did apt-get source, totally forgot about mvo's love for pre-build scripts & bzr-bd hooks
[16:37] <bdmurray> could someone have a look at bug 1157721?
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157721 in Ubuntu CD Images "jigdo for ubuntu-12.04.2-alternate-amd64.jigdo file not found " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157721
[16:47] <cjwatson> looking
[16:48] <cjwatson> (fwiw I get cdimage bugs in my inbox)
[16:49] <bdmurray> ah, I'd forgotten about cdimage and the project changed on me
[16:50] <cjwatson> anyway, duped, and unfixable
[16:55] <xnox> commented on how this can actually be solved with redirects and launchpadlibrarian =)
[16:56] <xnox> cjwatson: Why does archive.ubuntu.com Release file mentions all architectures and not just those that are on archive.ubuntu.com? Or Release.gpg can only be generated at the place that has no idea that we have archive/ports.ubuntu.com split?
[16:56] <cjwatson> the latter
[16:56] <xnox> ack.
[16:56] <cjwatson> "unfixable" in the sense that it can't be fixed on cdimage alone, but needs infrastructure work elsewhere
[16:56] <cjwatson> -> SEP
[16:57] <xnox> ack.
[16:57]  * xnox ponders how "helpful" is adding popcon data to the app-install-data given that there is no UI left to enable popcon....
[16:59] <xnox> Is http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_vote still our destination popcon? (me remembers vague talks that we stated submitting popcon data to debian instead....)
[19:30] <TheDrums> xnox: Last I looked, popcon hasn't been updated for quite a while.
[20:24] <darkxst> balloons, did you add those testcases yet for ubuntu GNOME?
[20:30] <balloons> darkxst, yes
[20:30] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/40208/testcases
[20:31] <darkxst> ah yes, now I see them
[20:32] <darkxst> did you add upgrade ones?
[20:36] <balloons> those products don't exist.. and in general, no reason to exist yet :-) You don't have a previous release
[20:50] <darkxst> balloons, well we do have the previous unofficial release, but I am not sure how well upgrading will work from that
[21:11] <stgraber> not too surprisingly at least one slideshow is broken in the current ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu branch... good thing I asked to be ready 24h before the actual freeze :)
[21:12] <robru> so this new gexiv2 has some new API that I suspect might break/regress some of the applications using it. assuming that I can confirm the breakage happens, what steps should I take to mitigate that before raring is released?
[21:13] <Laney> you mean third party apps?
[21:13] <robru> yeah
[21:13] <Laney> robert_ancell checked the archive
[21:14] <robru> there are a bunch of new apps that were ported to gexiv2 0.5 that probably aren't in the archive yet.
[21:15] <robru> so basically, back in copenhagen I was encouraging people to port their python apps away from pyexiv2 towards gexiv2. at the time, gexiv2 was only used by shotwell, and yorba guys got a bit freaked out by the prospect of more people using gexiv2, so they did a major API cleanup sweep. I meant to pay closer attention to it, but it got away on me
[21:16] <robru> I don't think any of the gexiv2 ports have actually landed yet, but I'm concerned that upstreams are going to be frustrated by this breakage as they attempt to land
[21:16] <Laney> Possibly, but it would have happened sooner or later anyway
[21:17] <Laney> At least it's not tied to the Raring schedule so they are able to update at a more leisurely pace
[21:19] <Laney> and if it's what upstream wants to expose as their stable API then it's probably worth the pain now, given that the ports are still WIP
[21:20] <robru> Laney, what I meant was, "I had the chance to work with yorba and reduce the impact of API breakage by writing some compatibility glue for them, but I totally blew it, and now I'm afraid that consumers of gexiv2 are gonna get burned by some API breakage hell"
[21:21] <robru> I don't know what to do now ;-)
[21:22] <Laney> Hah, well you can still work with them and get that in for S (which will presumably be the Ubuntu target for these ports)
[21:22] <robru> I guess what I'll have to do is test some things out, see how bad the breakage really is. If it's really bad, what are the chances that I could still write that glue code, and then just have it as a distropatch on gexiv2?
[21:22] <Laney> or ... work with the upstreams on the ports
[21:22] <robru> is it too late to save raring? :-/
[21:23] <Laney> depends how fast you can work ;-)
[21:24] <robru> Laney, basically what would need to be done is to re-implement a couple python methods in GExiv2.py that used to be implemented in C code... so althought I'm writing "new" code, I'd really be restoring API that used to be there in 0.5. What kind of a deadline am I looking at for a patch like that?
[21:24] <robru> Laney, maybe a dozen lines of python
[21:27] <Laney> robru: well, I suppose we'd have to see it, but if it really will be that limited in scope then it should be fine for the next week or two (preferably before the beta freeze)
[21:28] <robru> Laney, you made a good point about "what upstream wants to expose as their stable API", so maybe I'll just leave it as-is and work with gexiv2 consumers to adjust to the new API. ok, I'll have to do a bit of research now. thanks
[21:28] <Laney> I think you'll have to do those adjustments anyway at some point as the compat API is presumably not going to be around forever
[21:29] <robru> Laney, exactly. distropatching is extra effort for little gain
[21:29] <Laney> If you decided to add it in S-series we could put the new gexiv2 in backports, BTW
[21:29] <Laney> so these upstream PPAs or whatever would be able to make use of it for raring
[21:29] <robru> Laney, good point also
[21:29] <Laney> not sure I have a good answer for extras though
[23:03] <bdmurray> the pending sru report has become empty
[23:10] <Laney> seems to be there now
[23:12] <RAOF> I totally did ALL THE SRUs yesterday :)
[23:48] <xnox> Thanks for boost1.53, not sure who synced it =) beat me by 40minutes ;-)
[23:49] <xnox> armhf still has another 2 hours to go =)
[23:52] <xnox> ah, doko. Thanks. yeah we do need -2 for python FTBFS fixes.


[02:30] <xnox> Hello =) Can you please award me an ubuntu irc cloak? https://launchpad.net/~dmitrij.ledkov
[02:54] <xnox> I guess it's bad time of day
[02:55] <xnox> I'll try again during UTC day time
[03:30] <onil> need help: my application windows blacks out frequently for a minute or so leaving other processes also stalled .During this process blinking LED stops blinking and continues to glow.No work can be done during that time till the black screen is gone .PLZ help me over this issue.I m a noob, migrated from windows to ubuntu.
[03:30] <Pici> onil: This isn't a support channel, please use #ubuntu :)
[06:31] <toabctl> hi
[06:31] <toabctl> i would like to have a cloak. my lp-id is https://launchpad.net/~thomasbechtold     can somebody help, please?!
[13:28] <toabctl> hi
[13:28] <toabctl> i would like to have a ubuntu cloak
[13:28] <toabctl> can somebody help, please?!
[13:30] <Myrtti> toabctl: and your launchpad id page would be located exactly where?
[13:30] <toabctl> Myrtti, https://launchpad.net/~toabctl
[13:33] <Myrtti> toabctl: thank you, now you just have to wait someone with enough of powah to see that
[13:35] <jussi01> freenode staff, niko nalioth Pricey please cloak toabctl with an ubuntu/member cloak :)
[13:40] <niko> ok
[13:41] <niko> toabctl: if you want to have ubuntu/member/toabctl you should /msg nickserv set accountname toabctl :)
[13:42] <toabctl> niko, done
[13:42] <niko> congrats
[13:42] <niko> jussi01: cloak applied
[13:43] <toabctl> niko, great!thanks!:)
[13:43] <jussi01> toabctl: congrats, niko thanks
[13:49] <MenZa> toabctl: congrats indeed
[13:49] <toabctl> thx jussi01, thx MenZa
[17:34] <Trek> got an interesting issue I tried to get resolved on #ubuntu-ops, but nobody responds.
 it seems that somehow someone spoofed the host name of my laptop, and spammed #ubuntu, resulting in a ban on the host name.  This causes an issue when my connection drops everysooften, preventing my alternate nickname from connecting.  any way to resolve this?
[17:36] <erUSUL> Trek: get the ban removed? keep asking in -ops ... if it is true it was a "identity theft" there should be no problem
[17:36] <Trek> posted twice there, no response after 10 minutes, but i'll try again
[20:00]  * erUSUL watchs the tumbleweeds pass away
[21:44] <xnox> Hello all. Is this is a right place for Ubuntu Members to request IRC cloaks?
[21:46] <rww> xnox: Yes. Link to your Launchpad profile, and someone with the powers will hopefully be with you shortly :)
[21:49] <xnox> rww: thanks
[21:49] <xnox> sorry got a disconnect on wifi
[21:49] <xnox> well my account is launchpad.net/~dmitrij.ledkov
[21:49] <xnox><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is added on the profile
[21:51] <xnox> heelo
[21:51]  * xnox has really bad connection
[21:51] <xnox> so yeah my profile is launchpad.net/~dmitrij.ledkov please award me a cloak
[21:51] <xnox> the xnox nick is added on launchpad
[21:52]  * xnox is patiently gonna wait ;-)
[21:52] <rww> xnox: Yep, like I said, you need to wait for someone with the powers, which I don't have :)


[01:32] <kenvandine> RAOF, hmm... i'm testing it on mako with silo 0
[01:32] <kenvandine> not mir_demo_server
[02:00] <RAOF> Hm.
[02:01] <RAOF> I don't know what input changes are in silo 0.
[02:34] <bschaefer> RAOF, would you know how trunk could possibly mess up reading umockdev recordings?
[02:35] <bschaefer> as ... once i merged from trunk the recordings no longer generate events in mir
[02:35] <bschaefer> soo either somehow trunk messed up new code you put in or the under the hood mir is different for handling events?
[02:51] <RAOF> bschaefer: I don't know. I'll pull your branch and investigate.
[02:52] <bschaefer> RAOF, alright, ill spend more time on it tomorrow if you've other things to get done
[02:53]  * bschaefer slightly assumes he might have messed up fixing merge conflicts
[02:53] <bschaefer> but i dont think so
[02:54] <bschaefer> RAOF, also i dont think we need the mir cookie for the basic surface validation meaning we can reduce a lot of code changing
[02:54] <bschaefer> (since a 0 should be a find value). Though i want to check if i even need to edit that make_event to begin with
[02:54] <RAOF> Right. You can certainly get part of the way through without actually plumbing in the real cookie.
[02:55] <RAOF> It'll just be useless :)
[02:55] <bschaefer> yup, i was slightly lost when doing it at first and am trying to refine a lot of my changes
[02:56] <bschaefer> mainly wanted to get all touch/keyboard/pointer to get cookies, but really only keyboard events + up/down events *need*
[02:56] <bschaefer> cookies
[02:58] <RAOF> Right.
[02:59] <RAOF> Well, mostly.
[02:59] <RAOF> Touch begin/end probably need cookies, too. (As that's how “clicks” happen on touchscreens)
[03:05] <bschaefer> well hmm right from what i can tell the validator does a very small touch event
[03:05] <bschaefer> only 3 args
[03:05]  * bschaefer needs to figure out the best way for that
[10:05] <duflu> greyback: On my way to EOD, but was wondering... Do you have any idea why scrolling with a constant finger touch in Qt feels like it's missing frames? Significantly less smooth than a fling...
[10:05] <greyback> duflu: it's something I've also observed, but thus far I've no good explanation
[10:06] <duflu> I would have said it's just keeping up with the finger by jumping. But then noticed Android doesn't have the problem and neither to mir-demos
[10:06] <duflu> neither do
[10:06] <greyback> I investigated if the input events received by the client were smooth - and they are
[10:07] <duflu> greyback: I know... we have some roughly equivalent mir-demos and they are smooth
[10:07] <greyback> duflu: yeah but I'm testing using unity8 here
[10:07] <duflu> greyback: On that note, does the --desktopfile trick still work?
[10:07] <greyback> duflu: yep
[10:08] <duflu> Hmm, OK. Another day.
[10:08] <greyback> I want to improve qtmir's releasing buffer after swap, which might help
[10:09] <duflu> greyback: Yeah I've got it "done". Just held up by the related Mir fix waiting to land. Then I need to recombine and retest them
[10:09] <greyback> duflu: really? care to share?
[10:10] <duflu> greyback: Work in progress, and don't expect to see any benefit without the Mir fix coming in 0.16... https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/qtmir/supersmooth
[10:10] <greyback> duflu: ok cool
[10:12] <duflu> greyback: Hmm, actually that looks old
[10:12] <duflu> I think I had a newer one
[10:13] <greyback> well you're doing the right things
[10:13] <duflu> greyback: Oh, that is the latest
[10:14] <ogra_> duflu, fyi, i'm running my arale with GPU at full speed (using the sysfs hack from the mail thread) ... it ois a lot smoother and less stuttery ... but i'D guess it also eats about 10% more battery over time
[10:14] <ogra_> (i dont think we have any GPU scaling at all on the other phones)
[10:14] <duflu> ogra_: Yeah I noticed raising the minimum frequency helped, but not as much as having the extra cores enabled
[10:15] <ogra_> we need ToyKeeper to measure the different scenarios for us ;) she has accurate power measurement tools
[10:18] <greyback> duflu: what mir commit would I need to test?
[10:18] <duflu> greyback: The current MP "earlier release"
[10:19] <duflu> greyback: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/earlier-release/+merge/267321
[10:19]  * duflu wanders off
[10:19] <greyback> duflu: thanks!
[11:35] <alan_g> alf_: got headspace to discuss the remaining test failure I've got?
[11:35] <alf_> alan_g: sure
[11:36] <alan_g> I'm seeing an FD leak in some of the VariousDevices/EventHubDeviceEnumerationTest* tests. Specifically, those that call add_standard_device()
[11:37] <alan_g> That allocates FDs in umockdev_testbed_load_ioctl() - which are never released
[11:37] <alan_g> But none of this is new code - so how did it ever pass?
[11:38] <alf_> alan_g: Can you point me to a failure backtrace?
[11:40] <alan_g> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12117630/
[11:47] <alan_g> alf_: ^ any thoughts?
[11:49] <alf_> alan_g: Yes. I had put an exception for this case in detect_fd_leaks (checking for "g_dbus" in the backtrace), but in the new backtrace there is "bin doc src lib" instead of the g_dbus_* function names
[11:50] <alf_> alan_g: That's a thought, let me confirm this
[11:50] <alan_g> alf_: that makes sense.
[11:51] <alan_g> (although the backtrace doesn't)
[11:53] <alan_g> I guess another exception for "mir_test_framework::UdevEnvironment::add_standard_device" would be specific enough
[12:07] <alf_> alan_g: So, yes, I remembered that I was getting the g_dbus related errors locally, not in CI (probably because dbus is not running in the CI chroot?).
[12:07] <alf_> alan_g|lunch: ^^
[12:09] <alan_g|lunch> alf_: yep. I've MP'd the above (to see if anything remains that I haven't got locally)
[12:54] <mterry> alf_, hello!  Thanks for taking over that timeout branch for me.  I added a comment in your MP
[12:55] <alf_> mterry: No problem, thanks for the original fix :)
[12:59] <alf_> mterry: Let me try your idea...
[13:11] <alf_> mterry: Your idea looks good. Would you like to incorporate the tests in your branch (+the max() idea)?
[13:12] <mterry> alf_, I'm in a meeting right now, so you can run with it
[13:12] <alf_> mterry: ok
[13:22] <alf_> mterry: Change applied. Thanks!
[13:22] <alf_> mterry: (and tested on arale)
[13:22] <mterry> alf_, sweet, I approved the branch from my side.  But maybe get a real mir folk to also look at it
[21:56] <bschaefer> RAOF, for when you get on, thanks for fixing that test (had no idea i had to include that...)
[21:56] <bschaefer> now for the basic_suface validator
[21:56] <bschaefer> i would love to remove the need for the cookie factory, the only issue is the default event that is needed
[21:56] <bschaefer> if theres no prev events
[21:57] <bschaefer> now... i've clue when a default event would ever happen, or if its save enough to ignore the mac for a default event that we needed to generate
[21:57] <bschaefer> (im assuming yes its ok to ignore a mac for it since its just a bare bone vent)
[21:57] <bschaefer> evet*
[21:59] <bschaefer> soo now im starting to think the default touch event will have 0 pointer count meaning it will not have a down/up action
[21:59] <bschaefer> meaning we can remove the need to generate a valid mac for that
[21:59]  * bschaefer double checks the default value for a make_event for a touch event
[22:01] <bschaefer> hmm  and now looking at that, the pointer_count variable for the new motion event is not being defined and everything is memset to 0
[22:01] <bschaefer> soo yay no need for a cookie there since there will never be a up/down event or a default event if theres no prev touch event
[22:01] <bschaefer> RAOF, IGNORE MY PING


[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:00] <lynxman> o/
[16:01] <arosales> Hello
[16:01] <arosales> utlemming: are you up for the chair today?
[16:01] <utlemming> sure...let me pull up the docs
[16:01] <zul> hello
[16:02] <utlemming> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May  1 16:02:20 2012 UTC.  The chair is utlemming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <adam_g> o/
[16:02] <utlemming> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <s3h> \o
[16:02] <utlemming> :( we seem to be missing logs from last week....so we'll wing it
[16:03] <utlemming> Anyone have any topics from last week?
[16:03] <SpamapS> We didn't really have any
[16:03] <utlemming> I didn't think we would
[16:03] <SpamapS> hence my not putting any in the agenda
[16:04] <SpamapS> I did forget to post the meetingology logs, whoops
[16:04] <utlemming> We do have one glaring elephant in the room....well done all on the Precise's release
[16:04] <arosales> +1
[16:04] <SpamapS> *\o/*
[16:04] <zul> sheesh finally..
[16:04] <SpamapS> +12.04
[16:05] <arosales> breaking out the pom poms SpamapS :-)
[16:05] <SpamapS> I never really put them away actually.. :)
[16:05] <arosales> who does, right?
[16:05] <SpamapS> only the non-believers
[16:05] <jamespage> **\o/**
[16:06] <utlemming> well, moving on....
[16:06] <utlemming> #topic Quantal Development
[16:06] <arosales> 5 bugs we are tracking @ http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:06] <arosales> SpamapS: are you working on bug 930916
[16:07] <SpamapS> arosales: no, but I promise to look at it this week
[16:08] <SpamapS> At this point though
[16:08] <arosales> SpamapS: ok, thanks
[16:08] <SpamapS> those are all just SRU's
[16:08] <arosales> s3h: is the workaround still valid for bug 974584?
[16:08] <arosales> that was my next question, are all these candidates for SRUs?
[16:08] <arosales> SpamapS: so  bug 930916 is a SRU candidate, correct?
[16:09] <s3h> arosales: yes
[16:09] <arosales> s3h: for 974584 is there also a fix?
[16:09] <s3h> not yet
[16:09] <s3h> needs to be done in initscripts
[16:10] <s3h> i is fjeered of those
[16:10] <SpamapS> arosales: all of those are.. if they were release tracked they were important enough to want in precise.
[16:10] <arosales> ok, is that a SRU ?
[16:10] <arosales> SpamapS: ok
[16:10] <s3h> is which SRU?
[16:10]  * arosales will stop asking then
[16:10] <arosales> s3h: bug 974584 for an SRU once the fix is available
[16:10] <arosales> but SpamapS just enlightened me :-)
[16:10] <s3h> no.  workaround is fine for precise and lower
[16:11] <s3h> only need a initscript fix in q+
[16:11] <arosales> s3h: ah ok.
[16:11] <arosales> next bug on the list
[16:11] <arosales> bug 880339
[16:11] <SpamapS> still no response
[16:11] <arosales> looks to be marked as incomplete
[16:12] <arosales> same with the next one, bug 907197
[16:12] <arosales> an of course openstack
[16:12] <arosales> bug 901881
[16:12] <SpamapS> those statuses are not always reliable tho
[16:12] <arosales> zul: looks like you are working on that one
[16:13] <SpamapS> err, n/m those are right
[16:13] <arosales> ok, I'll circle back to bug 907197
[16:13] <zul> arosales: yeah need to get quantal open first
[16:13] <arosales> jamespage: sill no response on that one?
[16:13] <arosales> zul: ok, thanks.
[16:13] <jamespage> arosales, no
[16:13] <jamespage> and no one else can repro
[16:14] <arosales> jamespage: ok so incomplete still valid.
[16:14] <jamespage> yes
[16:14] <arosales> and wrap up on blueprints
[16:14] <arosales> for P
[16:14] <arosales> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-server.html
[16:14] <arosales> 95% overall status.
[16:15] <arosales> I guess at this point we should be making new blueprints, and postponing and past work items.
[16:15] <zul> wh00t
[16:15] <SpamapS> wait, precise is released
[16:15] <SpamapS> its 100% whether our graphs show it or not :)
[16:15] <arosales> :-)
[16:15] <arosales> rbasak: can you take a look at servercloud-p-arm-service-orchestration
[16:16] <arosales> that one shows 92%, but I am not seeing the work items that still needs to be done.
[16:17] <rbasak> arosales: hmm, nor do I
[16:17] <SpamapS> Validate IPMI on hardware: BLOCKED
[16:17] <arosales> zul: does  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack need updated
[16:17] <rbasak> Oh
[16:17] <rbasak> thanks SpamapS
[16:17] <arosales> looks like MIR is in progress for horizon
[16:17] <zul> arosales: ill update it
[16:17] <m_3> do we manually copy postponed items from p blueprints to q blueprints?
[16:17] <arosales> zul thanks
[16:17] <SpamapS> anything still open should be moved to POSTPONED. If we need to get it done, thats a new BP for quantal
[16:17] <rbasak> Now postponed. We never got hardware for that.
[16:18] <SpamapS> Or tack it onto something related for quantal
[16:18] <ScottK> SpamapS: It'd be nice if you assigned yourself the postfix stuff you didn't do last cycle so you can defer it again later.
[16:18] <arosales> s3h: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-lxc also showing some tasks remaining
[16:19] <arosales> rbasak: could you take a  quick look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-arm-system-management
[16:19] <s3h> oh?
[16:19] <s3h> yeah but that's smoser's :)
[16:19] <arosales> SpamapS: and M_3 I think are still working https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-juju-charm-testing
[16:19] <s3h> i'll postpone it
[16:19] <arosales> s3h:  thanks
[16:20] <smoser> which is mine?
[16:20] <rbasak> arosales: postponed
[16:20] <arosales> rbasak: thanks
[16:20] <SpamapS> ScottK: that stings. ;)
[16:20] <s3h> smoser: open bug for libvirt to check capsys-module, capmac*:
[16:20] <smoser> got it.
[16:20] <arosales> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-cloud-ha also has some open tasks
[16:20] <ScottK> SpamapS: Eventually you're going to get tired of the exit 75 bugs and do something.
[16:20] <arosales> ivoks has a todo there
[16:21] <arosales> adam_g: are you still working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-charms ?
[16:22] <m_3> arosales: that remaining blocked item in juju-charm-testing can be postponed I think
[16:22] <SpamapS> ScottK: I did!
[16:22] <SpamapS> ScottK: there's a bug pattern. But we give users the option to still submit it.
[16:22] <ScottK> I see.
[16:22] <SpamapS> ScottK: which, perhaps we should take away. :)
[16:22] <arosales> m_3: thanks
[16:22] <arosales> s3h: another one that has your name https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-libvirt
[16:23] <ScottK> SpamapS: Since exit 75 is by definition not a bug, as long as we explain it, I think that makes sense.
[16:23] <arosales> s3h: [serge-hallyn] enable netcf: BLOCKED
[16:23] <adam_g> arosales: i thought i closed that one out . i was working on the swift stuff last week but blocked on a juju bug
[16:23] <arosales> utlemming: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-pushing-cloud
[16:23] <SpamapS> ScottK: I think we wanted to get some feedback from affected users who thought their hostname was ok.
[16:23] <s3h> i figurd blocked = postponed
[16:23] <adam_g> arosales: when that fix lands i plan on finishing up.
[16:23] <SpamapS> blocked must be postponed at this point
[16:23] <arosales> adam_g:  thanks
[16:23] <SpamapS> there is no DONE
[16:23] <SpamapS> DONE is for Q :)
[16:23] <SpamapS> start piling up green for Q now :)
[16:24] <arosales> jamespage: could you follow up on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-java
[16:24] <arosales> ok, those are the ones I saw on my quick scan
[16:25] <jamespage> arosales, thats getting a revised spec for quantal
[16:25] <arosales> jamespage: ok thanks
[16:25] <arosales> also make sure blueprints for Q are submitted
[16:25] <arosales> especially ones that need sessions
[16:26] <arosales> unless anyone else had any other blueprint comments
[16:26] <arosales> utlemming: back to you
[16:26] <utlemming> :)
[16:26] <utlemming> #topic Ubunut Server Team Events
[16:26] <utlemming> er...
[16:26] <utlemming> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:26] <utlemming> we have UDS next week in Oakland, CA
[16:26] <arosales> m_3 @ NodeConf May 8
[16:27] <SpamapS> gimme a U, gimme a D, gimme an S, and give your liver at least 5 days to recover..
[16:27] <m_3> product sprint beforehand
[16:27] <smoser> also: http://uds.ubuntu.com/cloud-summit/
[16:27] <utlemming> So a pretty active next couple of weeks
[16:27] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:28] <utlemming> hggdh: anything for us this week?
[16:29] <utlemming> ping hggdh
[16:30] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:30] <utlemming> smb: hows the kernel look?
[16:31] <utlemming> okay...moving on
[16:31] <utlemming> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:31] <utlemming> rbasak: do you have anything for us today?
[16:31] <rbasak> Nothing to report. Any questions for me?
[16:32] <SpamapS> rbasak: I can has? (Buy) one?
[16:32] <rbasak> SpamapS: I'm not sure about that. But as of Thursday, you can install Ubuntu Server on it!
[16:33]  * SpamapS installs Ubuntu Server on all sorts of mythical hardware in his sleep
[16:33] <m_3> :)
[16:34] <utlemming> #topic Open Discussion
[16:34] <SpamapS> I wanted to bring up just one thing about UDS
[16:34] <utlemming> don
[16:34] <utlemming> don
[16:35] <utlemming> don't drink too much?
[16:35] <SpamapS> Please make sure you come to UDS with points of decision to make, not just poitns of discussion.
[16:35] <lynxman> *suspense music*
[16:35] <SpamapS> Start the discussions now, on the mailing lists.
[16:35] <SpamapS> Make sure people know the positions and facts before hand.
[16:35] <SpamapS> Come with facts, and then the process will go much smoother.
[16:36]  * SpamapS deposits his $0.02 in your brains, and shuts up.
[16:36] <m_3> SpamapS: _now_ you tell us
[16:36] <zul> SpamapS: also make sure you come prepared
[16:37] <utlemming> any other topics?
[16:37] <arosales> again, job well done on precise
[16:37] <utlemming> #topic Announce next meeting data and time
[16:37] <arosales> meeting next week?
[16:38] <utlemming> Tues 15th May 1600 UTC -- back here again!
[16:38] <utlemming> My understanding is that since it is UDS, we skip it.
[16:38] <arosales> makes sense
[16:38] <utlemming> #endmeeting
[16:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  1 16:38:44 2012 UTC.
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-01-16.02.moin.txt
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-01-16.02.html
[19:56] <mhmodIbrhm> Helloo, when will the meeting start?
[19:57] <cielak> mhmodIbrhm: I guess it should within few minutes
[20:02] <cielak> shouldn't it start now? :-)
[20:03] <utlemming> yeah, but sometimes patience is a virtue :)
[20:04] <cielak> oh, hi utlemming :)
[20:05] <utlemming> hello
[20:14] <cielak> czajkowski, highvoltage: no EMEA meeting today?
[20:14] <mhmodIbrhm> cielak: no meeting today?
[20:15] <cielak> mhmodIbrhm: I have no idea, it should be scheduled for today
[20:15] <MrChrisDruif> Apparently not?
[20:15] <mhmodIbrhm> i know and i am waiting it too
[20:16] <MrChrisDruif> cielak; it IS scheduled for now, should've started 15 minutes ago (according to the Fridge Calendar)
[20:16] <highvoltage> oops
[20:16] <czajkowski> oh
[20:16] <highvoltage> sorry I forgot about it
[20:16] <czajkowski> we've not expired
[20:16] <czajkowski> we expire this week
[20:16] <highvoltage> do we have quorum, and just as important, any applicants?
[20:17] <czajkowski> drubin: ping
[20:17] <utlemming> highvoltage: I believe all three of us are here
[20:17] <czajkowski> we need 4 right
[20:17] <highvoltage> yep
[20:17] <czajkowski> utlemming: need 4 of us though
[20:17] <czajkowski> pleia2: ping
[20:17] <czajkowski> I've pinged folks but lots are travelling due to uds
[20:18] <czajkowski> lifeless: ping
[20:18] <lifeless> yo ?
[20:18] <utlemming> czajkowski: lol...no, I was referring to the applicants -- I believe all three of us are here
[20:18] <highvoltage> yeah it's really bad timing, we should have actually re-scheduled but it crept up on me
[20:18] <czajkowski> lifeless: if we find 1 more person can you step in for emea meeting
[20:18] <MrChrisDruif> stgraber; ping
[20:18] <highvoltage> stgraber is on a bus atm
[20:18] <lifeless> czajkowski: let me see if I'm still a member :P
[20:18] <czajkowski> utlemming: indeed but we need 4 of EMEA for the meeting to happen
[20:18] <czajkowski> we need 1 more
[20:19] <MrChrisDruif> highvoltage; 3 applicants
[20:19] <highvoltage> MrChrisDruif: thanks, I'm aware ;)
[20:19] <czajkowski> greg-g: ping?
[20:19] <lifeless> czajkowski: looks like I still am :)
[20:19] <lifeless> expires in 23 hours or something
[20:19] <czajkowski> me to for 2 more days
[20:19] <lifeless> so yeah, I can step in
[20:19] <czajkowski> we're just short a person now
[20:19] <czajkowski> lifeless: cheers
[20:19] <lifeless> I will need to run when Cynthia is ready for after-brekkie nap
[20:20] <czajkowski> nods
[20:20] <cielak> sigh
[20:20] <czajkowski> highvoltage: any luck ?
[20:21] <highvoltage> Pendulum: around?
[20:21] <Pendulum> highvoltage: yes
[20:21] <czajkowski> oh great
[20:21] <highvoltage> Pendulum: could you lend a hand with membership?
[20:22] <czajkowski> please :D
[20:22] <Pendulum> as long as no one minds if I disappear for 2 minutes at some point when my room service shows up and I have to open the door :P
[20:22] <highvoltage> no problem
[20:22] <highvoltage> who's charing?
[20:22] <czajkowski> highvoltage: you
[20:22] <czajkowski> :)
[20:22] <highvoltage> ok
[20:22] <highvoltage> #startmeeting
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[20:22] <highvoltage> Welcome to this month's EMEA RMB meeting
[20:23] <highvoltage> and apologies for the late start
[20:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: is also gonna join to help
[20:23] <highvoltage> applications will be called one by one. please have a short introduction ready
[20:23] <AlanBell> hi all
[20:23] <highvoltage> This month's applications are: utlemming, cielak and mhmodIbrhm
[20:23] <highvoltage> cielak: ready? :)
[20:23] <cielak> yes!
[20:23] <highvoltage> #topic cielak
[20:23] <highvoltage> cielak: please introduce yourself
[20:24] <cielak> so, my name is Rafał Cieślak, and have been a full-time Ubuntu user since 4.5 years
[20:24] <cielak> and since then I've always wanted to contribute to Ubuntu & the community
[20:24] <czajkowski> cielak: hi thanks for coming
[20:24] <cielak> :-)
[20:24] <highvoltage> for some reason I thought you were an Ubuntu member already :)
[20:24] <cielak> I particularly enjoy providing user support at AskUbuntu
[20:25] <cielak> during 2 years I have gathered 3,000+ rep points
[20:25] <cielak> I also contribute code to Ubuntu
[20:25] <cielak> so I did to fix few bugs in Unity
[20:25] <highvoltage> cielak: if you could change any one thing in the ubuntu community, what would that be?
[20:25] <cielak> and now I ma heavily involved in Ubuntu Accomplishment System
[20:25] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RafalCieslak
[20:26] <cielak> by programming & documantation
[20:26] <cielak> well, I guess there is one thing that needs being improved
[20:26] <highvoltage> (oosh, I was lookng at the wrong wiki page)
[20:26] <cielak> it's introducing new developers - programmers - who might be helpful in many Ubuntu related projects
[20:26] <highvoltage> cielak: if you could change any one thing in the Ubuntu community, what would that be?
[20:27] <cielak> in my opinion we do not encourage them enough
[20:27] <cielak> and I have met with situation that some of them were convinced that it's a hard thing
[20:27] <cielak> so that's what needs fixing IMO
[20:27] <cielak> also
[20:27] <cielak> there is Polish LoCo
[20:27] <cielak> which I guess is a great example of what a LoCo should not be
[20:28] <czajkowski> cielak: why is that ?
[20:29] <cielak> there is quite a broad community, but it all ends with endless flamewars, which brings Ubuntu bad reputation, here in Poland
[20:29] <cielak> the "official" polish ubuntu sites & forum are badly maintained, and are incredibly unhelpful
[20:29] <lifeless> got to run, baby to put down for naptime
[20:30] <lifeless> czajkowski: you're not in -rmb
[20:30] <czajkowski> highvoltage: I've no more questions
[20:30] <highvoltage> ok lets vote
[20:30] <cielak> fixing that will of course require lots of efforts and I won't be able to fix it on my own
[20:30] <highvoltage> #vote cielak for Ubuntu Membership
[20:30] <meetingology> Please vote on: cielak for Ubuntu Membership
[20:30] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:30] <czajkowski> +1
[20:30] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:31] <AlanBell> +1
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 received from AlanBell
[20:31] <highvoltage> +1 [ great sustained involvement ]
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 [ great sustained involvement ] received from highvoltage
[20:31] <highvoltage> Pendulum?
[20:31] <Pendulum> +1
[20:31] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[20:31] <highvoltage> #endvote
[20:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: cielak for Ubuntu Membership
[20:31] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:31] <cielak> \o/ :)
[20:31] <highvoltage> cielak: congratulations and welcome!
[20:31] <SpamapS> utlemming next?
[20:31] <cielak> thanks! :)
[20:31] <highvoltage> yes
[20:32] <SpamapS> I want to say he's awesome and must go soon
[20:32] <highvoltage> sorry, I messed up the order a bit
[20:32] <highvoltage> SpamapS: acknowledged :)
[20:32] <highvoltage> utlemming: your turn! please tell us a bit about yourself
[20:32] <utlemming> Hi, my name is Ben Howard (utlemming). I am currently am the currator of the Ubuntu Cloud Images. I'm a technical, albeit, non-packaging person. My contributions to Ubuntu involve setting up new Cloud image infrastructure, building new cloud deployment metholodogies, and maintaining the images at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com. I am a Canonical employee. I am applying for membership here instead of through the developer board since I don't really
[20:32] <utlemming> do much packaging work.
[20:32] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ben_Howard%28utlemming%29
[20:33] <AlanBell> that is a lot of code :) https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming
[20:33] <utlemming> Yes it is :)
[20:33] <highvoltage> utlemming: could you tell us a little about what building new cloud images entails? do you plan to involve the community at all with that, and is it even possible?
[20:33] <utlemming> Yes, it is very possiable.
[20:34] <utlemming> One of the things that I am working on right now is to enable the community to be able to take our base image and then change it
[20:34] <utlemming> Also, I'm holding a UDS session where I am trying to get more input from the users
[20:34] <highvoltage> great :)
[20:35] <highvoltage> any other questions, comments or cheers?
[20:35] <SpamapS> utlemming is extremely knowledgable
[20:35] <SpamapS> and helpful to users in #ubuntu-cloud and #ubuntu-server
[20:35] <SpamapS> He will do a great honor to the @ubuntu.com email domian. :)
[20:35] <czajkowski> utlemming: how would you like to help the community more?
[20:35] <highvoltage> :)
[20:36] <czajkowski> and get them more involved?
[20:36] <utlemming> 1) gather input and find out where the images need work or are not meeting people's needs
[20:36] <utlemming> to this point, I have several meetings set up with communitity users next week to talk about it
[20:37] <highvoltage> great, I'm sure you have more ideas, but it's time to put it to vote
[20:37] <utlemming> 2) being active on the relevant email lists -- which is helping to generate disucssion. I've learned that by interacting with the community that I can get important feedback, and more imporantly help the community use the images
[20:37] <highvoltage> #vote utlemming for Ubuntu membership
[20:37] <meetingology> Please vote on: utlemming for Ubuntu membership
[20:37] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:38] <czajkowski> +1
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:38] <highvoltage> +1 [ continued good work on cloud images and improving community involvement through support and advocacy ]
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 [ continued good work on cloud images and improving community involvement through support and advocacy ] received from highvoltage
[20:38] <AlanBell> +1 significant and sustained
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 significant and sustained received from AlanBell
[20:38] <Pendulum> +1
[20:38] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[20:38] <highvoltage> #endvote
[20:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: utlemming for Ubuntu membership
[20:38] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:38] <utlemming> :)
[20:38] <cielak> congrats utlemming! :)
[20:38]  * utlemming is happy
[20:38] <highvoltage> utlemming: congratulations and welcome :)
[20:38] <SpamapS> \o/
[20:39] <mhmodIbrhm> congrats. ultemning & cielak :)
[20:39] <highvoltage> mhmodIbrhm: hi! you're up next :)
[20:39] <highvoltage> please introduce yourself
[20:39] <mhmodIbrhm> yes, i am ready :)
[20:39] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mahmoud%20Ibrahem
[20:40] <mhmodIbrhm> i am Mahmoud Mohamed i started using ubuntu for 4 years i joint my loco team since 2009
[20:40] <mhmodIbrhm> and i co-organized our first 2 events for the team in my faculty
[20:40] <czajkowski> wow impressive wiki page
[20:40] <mhmodIbrhm> and i always being contributed with them till we got approved
[20:40] <mhmodIbrhm> thanks :)
[20:42] <mhmodIbrhm> i think i finished the short introduction :)
[20:42] <czajkowski> mhmodIbrhm: so what would you change in the ubuntu community ?
[20:42] <highvoltage> mhmodIbrhm: how is the revival of the LoCo team coming along?
[20:43] <highvoltage> (and if you could change anything in your loco, what would that be?)
[20:44] <mhmodIbrhm0> i am sorry i am suffering from a bad internet connection this night
[20:45] <lifeless> back
[20:45] <AlanBell> you are not a big user of launchpad (unless your profile changed or something), where do you mainly do online stuff? IRC/Forums/Askubuntu/other?
[20:45] <lifeless> ah, I see AlanBell is here now, I'll quietly head off to do other things ;)
[20:46] <highvoltage> mhmodIbrhm: no problem, if you lose your connection of feel that you've missed a question, please let us know
[20:46] <AlanBell> lifeless: noo, don't leave me!
[20:47] <highvoltage> mhmodIbrhm0: are you still there?
[20:49] <mhmodIbrhm2> i am sorry
[20:50] <mhmodIbrhm> i am sorry, i am suffering from a bad Internet connection this night
[20:50] <mhmodIbrhm> but i am ready now, highvoltage
[20:50] <AlanBell> you are not a big user of launchpad (unless your profile changed or something), where do you mainly do online stuff? IRC/Forums/Askubuntu/other?
[20:51] <highvoltage> mhmodIbrhm: ok, how is the revival of the Egyption loco going? Are there still any big problems that you'd like to do something about?
[20:51] <mhmodIbrhm> i always communicate with my team
[20:51] <mhmodIbrhm> throug the mailing list
[20:51] <mhmodIbrhm> and i always help the new users in our facebook group
[20:52] <highvoltage> any last questions/comments/cheers for mhmodIbrhm?
[20:52] <mhmodIbrhm> no we are doing great :)
[20:52] <highvoltage> good to hear :)
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> Yay!
[20:52] <mhmodIbrhm> and we are looking forward for more events and we start our structure
[20:52] <highvoltage> #vote mhmodIbrhm for Ubuntu membership
[20:52] <meetingology> Please vote on: mhmodIbrhm for Ubuntu membership
[20:52] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:53] <highvoltage> +1 [ great sustained contribution to LoCo community in Egypt and good Ubuntu advocacy ]
[20:53] <meetingology> +1 [ great sustained contribution to LoCo community in Egypt and good Ubuntu advocacy ] received from highvoltage
[20:53] <Pendulum> +1
[20:53] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[20:53] <czajkowski> +2
[20:53] <czajkowski> +1
[20:53] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:53] <highvoltage> AlanBell?
[20:54] <AlanBell> +1 hope you continue to help the loco to grow
[20:54] <meetingology> +1 hope you continue to help the loco to grow received from AlanBell
[20:54] <highvoltage> #endvote
[20:54] <meetingology> Voting ended on: mhmodIbrhm for Ubuntu membership
[20:54] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:54] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:54] <highvoltage> mhmodIbrhm: congratulations and welcome
[20:54] <czajkowski> whoo welcome aboard folks
[20:54] <cielak> congrats mhmodIbrhm! :)
[20:54] <cielak> thanks for your time everybody!
[20:55] <mhmodIbrhm> thanks you all :)
[20:55] <highvoltage> cielak, utlemming, mhmodIbrhm: You have been added to ~ubuntu-members
[20:55] <czajkowski> highvoltage: it's been fun on the board with you :)
[20:55] <highvoltage> it may take up to 24 hours for your @ubuntu.com email address to take effect
[20:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: lifeless Pendulum thank you for stepping in
[20:55] <highvoltage> if you have problems, please contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with the details
[20:55] <cielak> highvoltage: right, thanks! :)
[20:55] <highvoltage> (or ask any of us on IRC)
[20:56] <cielak> also, whom should I contact to get an IRC cloak?
[20:56] <highvoltage> We're not scheduling a next meeting yet, since we have some pending restructuring currently.
[20:56] <highvoltage> more details will be announced publicly soon.
[20:57] <highvoltage> Thank you for attending this month's EMEA RMB meeting!
[20:57] <highvoltage> and thank you to AlanBell, Pendulum and czajkowski for reviewing
[20:57] <highvoltage> #endmeeting
[20:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  1 20:57:33 2012 UTC.
[20:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-01-20.22.moin.txt
[20:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-01-20.22.html
[20:57] <AlanBell> cielak: please join #ubuntu-irc to request it
[20:58] <AlanBell> same goes for mhmodIbrhm and utlemming
[20:58] <cielak> right, thanks ;)
[20:58] <mhmodIbrhm> ok thanks you AlanBell
[21:01] <highvoltage> members added, mail sent


[12:04] <cjwatson> OMG I just found two files in LP containing "arch-tag:"
[12:04]  * cjwatson suffers flashbacks
[14:36] <bladernr> hi all... question about packaging recipes... I have a PPA that is built for several architectures by default, but I have a package that is amd64 only. Is there a way in a recpipe to tell the builders to ONLY build amd64 for this one package/recipe?
[14:36] <bladernr> I didn't see anything useful in the help for this, unfortunately.
[14:37] <cjwatson> bladernr: Architecture: amd64 in debian/control
[14:37] <bladernr> ahhh, thanks!


[08:40] <slax0r> debata od vceraj, bi tudi jaz mel malo vecji upload, samo pac.. it is what it is (that's what she said)


[05:54] <Abhijit> hi
[05:55] <Abhijit> in 11.10 with gnome3 the shorcut combination super + space is not working for any software. i tried to assing it for synapse then ibus nothing works. so exactly to which package do i submit a bug?
[05:55] <Abhijit> super alone in itself works
[10:19] <elgaton> Hi everyone, could someone please set the status of bug #877629 to Triaged and its importance to High? Thanks!
[10:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 877629 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Localized Chinese date formats not displayed properly after installation: broken /etc/default/locale generated (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877629
[10:39] <Laibsch> elgaton: from what I understand about it, that's anything but high.  I'd say it's only cosmetic.
[10:39] <Laibsch> please educate me why it's such a high importance
[10:39] <elgaton> Laibsch: I said "High" to match the importance of the original bug report (though I agree with you on the cosmetic nature)
[10:40] <Laibsch> cosmetic bugs are low
[10:40] <Laibsch> I guess we agree, then
[10:40] <Laibsch> severity has only a minor effect on when things get fixed anyhow
[10:40] <Laibsch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[10:42] <Laibsch> elgaton: it would be helpful if you verified this in precise as well
[10:42] <Laibsch> we try to make LTS more polished (with varying degrees of success ;-))
[10:42] <elgaton> Laibsch: I'll download a daily build tomorrow
[10:42] <Laibsch> thx
[10:42] <elgaton> Thank you
[10:42] <Laibsch> I use virtualbox for testing sometimes
[10:43] <elgaton> Use it too
[10:43] <Laibsch> so I don't have to touch my main machine which runs the latest LTS (can't keep up with things breaking all the time ;-))
[13:57] <njin> Hallo, can someone help me assigning bug 883533 reproduced thanks
[13:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 883533 in unity (Ubuntu) "HighContrast miss shutdown button (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883533
[22:42] <DavidW617> Hello, according to top, compiz is sitting between 40% and 50% and it is making my computer feel slow
[22:42] <DavidW617> what is a useful way to report this bug?


[08:10] <Backliner> Can't wait to get this on Ubuntu _TV 2016 or is that 2018 ?
[08:10] <Backliner> http://t.co/sT0S1MxRPP
[08:10] <Backliner> I'll check the logs later.


[12:13] <Knightlust> done
[12:13] <Knightlust> how bout the others
[12:14] <Knightlust> going to get back to my work... thanks all, i had a great time
[12:14] <adamant1988> Ok, I'll propose it to the list and try to get a spec going
[12:14] <adamant1988> good bye
[12:17] <BFTD> http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html
[12:36] <hjmf> @schedule
[12:36] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 02 Apr 15:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:36] <hjmf> @schedule Madrid
[12:36] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 02 Apr 17:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:39] <jsgotangco> @schedule Manila
[12:39] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 02 Apr 23:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 19:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 23:00: Kernel Team | 04 Apr 02:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 06 Apr 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:02] <freepenguin> hello
[02:29] <blackskad> @schedule Brussels
[02:29] <blackskad> @schedule
[02:36] <xiris> @schedule London
[03:10] <freepenguin> hello
[03:39] <freepenguin> QUESTION: why make some different distro's name (ubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu,edubuntu) when we can have only Ubuntu with kde, gnome or xfce and some editions like Ubuntu edu edition ?
[03:41] <jsgotangco> freepenguin: because if that's the case we'll have ubuntu in 4 CDs instead of 1
[03:41] <Riddell> freepenguin: community question time is in 1 hour 20 minutes
[03:41] <jsgotangco> oopss
[03:41] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:44] <freepenguin> yes..but Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same distro only change the desktop environment
[03:45] <freepenguin> they should call them Ubuntu with gnome and Ubuntu with KDE...the system is the same
[03:45] <dennda> the simple reason is: "Ubuntu with GNOME" and "Ubuntu with KDE" take much longer to type than Ubuntu or Kubuntu.
[03:45] <dennda> ;)
[03:45] <freepenguin> Riddell, oh yes? where are you from? in italy it's 15.46
[03:46] <jsgotangco> freepenguin: see topic
[03:49] <poningru> @schedule New York
[03:49] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 02 Apr 11:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:49] <poningru> so another hour
[03:50] <d1uluv2h8> @schedule Bucharest
[03:50] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Bucharest: 02 Apr 18:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 18:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 21:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:51] <f0ster52> hello everybody
[03:53] <f0ster52> @schedule Italy
[03:53] <f0ster52> @schedule Rome
[03:53] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 02 Apr 17:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:53] <f0ster52> ...i'm learning...
[03:53] <xiris> @schedule London
[03:53] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 02 Apr 16:00: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 12:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 16:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 19:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 13:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:57] <jono> hi all
[03:58] <dennda> hi
[03:59] <jono> anyone here for the community question time?
[04:00] <Treenaks> jono: The Community Question.. that's a new item on lugradio :P
[04:00] <Treenaks> ?
[04:00] <jono> heh
[04:00] <f0ster52> re
[04:01] <jono> ok, anyone else?
[04:01] <mc44> is this where we berate jono for his silly blog posts?
[04:01] <jono> this may be a quiet session :)
[04:01] <mc44> :p
[04:01] <jono> mc44: heh
[04:01] <jono> ok, as usual, questions in #ubuntu-meeting-questions
[04:01] <jono> and prefix them with QUESTION
[04:01] <jono> then I will answer each one in turn
[04:02] <Riddell> jono: according to the topic and fridge it's not due for another hour
[04:02] <jono> actually, this seems fairly quiet, so you can ask them here if needed
[04:02] <ogra> QUESTIO: why do you start already ?
[04:02] <jono> oh damn
[04:02] <f0ster52> lol
[04:02] <jono> of course, UTC has changed
[04:02] <ogra> *g*
[04:02] <Treenaks> ogra: WINS
[04:02] <jono> ok cool, lets wait :)
[04:04] <f0ster52> *boerd
[04:14] <gnomefreak> another 45 minutes no?
[04:15] <d1uluv2h8> yap :)
[04:15] <ogra> yes
[04:16] <gnomefreak> cool
[04:16] <f0ster52> heh
[04:19] <f0ster52> how many ppl here cause of questions time?
[04:21] <f0ster52> uhm, it's going to be crowded heh
[04:22] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: questions that conform to the CoC ;)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: well, duh :P
[04:25] <d1uluv2h8> i am here for question time :)
[04:29] <topyli> d1uluv2h8: hang around for another half hour :)
[04:30] <d1uluv2h8> i will, there's no rush
[04:47] <elkbuntu> ok, 15 mins until the question time... those who want to ask questions should go to #ubuntu-meeting-questions as that is where questions will be taken from
[05:00] <jono> right
[05:00] <jono> who is here for the community question time?
[05:00] <d1uluv2h8> i am :)
[05:00] <f0ster52> _|
[05:00] <boredandblogging> me, but I have no questions, just listening
[05:00] <jono> ok, ask your questions in #ubuntu-meeting-questions and prefix it with QUESTION so I can see it :)
[05:00] <jono> lets get going! :)
[05:01] <Belutz> i am
[05:01] <marchesantacater> ciao a tutti da marchesantacaterina
[05:01] <marchesantacater> ciao
[05:01] <marchesantacater> ciao
[05:02] <marchesantacater> cerco linux
[05:02] <marchesantacater> chi  che me lo puo sendare??
 QUESTION: will you ever forgive my english? :/, ok, now the real one: Talking about the last Dell declarations on Linux preinstalled on consumer machines. What is/will Ubuntu doing/do to become the chosen distro (if will ever be one)? Other comments? Any thoughts?
[05:02] <jono> f0ster52: course I will forgive your english :)
[05:02] <marchesantacater> ok
[05:03] <jono> f0ster52: this is not something I can really give too much info on as I don't work on it, but we are hoping Ubuntu will be involved in Dell's choices
[05:03] <jono> I can't say anymore than that really
[05:03] <jono> thats a business team thing
 QUESTION: Any ideas what the name of feisty+1 is going to be?
[05:04] <jono> poningru: no idea, we will have to see - I am sure we all have our own fave ideas :)
 QUESTION: will the approved LoCo team will be eligible for one box of Feisty CD's like we did on Edgy?
[05:04] <jono> Belutz: yes :)
 QUESTION: do we know for sure when next LTS is going to happen? :)
[05:04] <Belutz> jono, that's good news :D
[05:04] <jono> ivoks: nothing is confirmed right now, but an estimation of Feisty + 2 is kicking around
[05:05] <jono> ivoks: but we hope to have something confirmed soon
 QUESTION: will the easy codec installation and that nice proprietary video driver installation utility go into kubuntu too?
[05:05] <jono> d1uluv2h8: as far as I am aware, the easy codec installation is something that could go into kubuntu - it would just need the GUI writing for it - it happens at a gstreamer level
 QUESTION: When the LoCo team can begin to order Feisty CD's?
[05:06] <jono> Belutz: you would need to contact shipit for a specific answer, but I guess after Feisty is released
[05:06] <jono> any other questions?
 QUESTION: will lp.net be opened soonish?
[05:07] <jono>  launchpad.net
[05:07] <jono> poningru: you mean when will lp be open source?
[05:07] <poningru> right
[05:07] <ivoks> never
[05:08] <ivoks> it's a service, it can't be open sourced
[05:08] <poningru> ...
[05:08] <mc44> sabdfl commented on a comment in his blog about it
[05:08] <poningru> oh? /me reads
[05:08] <jono> poningru: right now there is no set date, but LP will certainly be open source at some point, unfortunatly there is no indication of the metric behind that right now
[05:08] <ivoks> open sourcing LP would destroy nature of LP
 QUESTION: my ubuntu membership is about to expired, what should I do to extend my membership?
[05:08] <jono> Belutz: re-apply :)
[05:08] <Belutz> wew
[05:09] <Belutz> and there's a chance that i won't get an extended membership?
[05:09] <jono> afaik...
[05:09] <jono> you may want to check with the CC
[05:09] <jono> Belutz: I think its likely you will
[05:09] <Belutz> jono, ok :)
[05:09] <elkbuntu> i think they were discussing some form of rollcall procedure
[05:09] <jono> unless you really didny do anything useful :)
[05:09] <elkbuntu> just to check that you still exist and still care
[05:09] <jono> other questions?
[05:09] <Belutz> ic ic, that's a good procedure
[05:10] <Hobbsee> jono: can i correct you?
[05:10] <jono> Hobbsee: sure
[05:10] <Hobbsee> [01:05]  <jono> d1uluv2h8: as far as I am aware, the easy codec installation is something that could go into kubuntu - it would just need the GUI writing for it - it happens at a gstreamer level  <-- kubuntu tends to use xine-based stuff, not gstreamer, so it's not a straight port.
[05:11] <jono> Hobbsee: right, thanks for the clarification :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> that was all :)
[05:11] <d1uluv2h8> hm.. what about proprietary driver installation ?
 ZOMG QUESTION!!!11!: Will feisty+1 be named G* G*, I* I* or something else entirely?
[05:12] <ivoks> not going to happen for feisty
[05:12] <jono> mc44: I think its going to be a G* G*
[05:12] <jono> although we do have grump
[05:12] <jono> grumpy
[05:12] <mc44> indeed
[05:12] <poningru> right
[05:13] <poningru> jono: ignore my question
[05:13] <bordy> or glorious gator ;)
[05:13] <jono> any other questions?
[05:13] <poningru> bordy: ;)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> jono: QUESTION:  who's the coolest person at canonical?
 QUESTION: is there a chance that you travel around the world to visit every LoCo Teams?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> oops, wrong channel
[05:14] <jono> Belutz: I would love to, but with a loco in nearly every country, it is difficult, but I am trying to get out to as many teams as possible
[05:14] <jono> Belutz: if you want me there, mail me :)
[05:15] <ivoks> Hobbsee: chris is very cool :)
[05:15] <Belutz> jono, ok :)
[05:15] <jono> ok
[05:15] <jono> so it seems we are about done
[05:16] <ogra> Belutz, surely at some point ... the whole of asia is still missing on my travelling list :)
[05:16] <elkbuntu> Belutz, concoct an event and get jono to speak at it. you'll need essential items like beer and wigs
[05:16] <jono> not many more quetions
[05:16] <jono> heh
[05:16] <poningru> wig?
[05:16] <Belutz> wigs?
[05:16] <Belutz> jono, what beer do you drink? :D
[05:17] <jono> Belutz: depends which country - Carling in the UK :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Belutz: he drinks all of them.  in sequence :P
[05:17] <jono> heh
[05:17] <Hobbsee> until all the beer runs out
[05:17] <Belutz> lol
[05:17] <elkbuntu> poningru, http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=906
[05:17] <jono> Hobbsee: are you trying to incinuate I drink too much? :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> jono: no, no, not at all...  *g*
[05:17] <jono> elkbuntu: heh
[05:17] <Belutz> if we invite you, do we have to cover all the expenses?
[05:17] <jono> Hobbsee: :)
[05:17] <Belutz> :D
[05:17] <mc44> jono: Carling? /me sighs
[05:17] <jono> Belutz: where are you based?
[05:17] <jono> mc44: yeah yeah, but I like it :)
[05:18] <Belutz> jono, Indonesia, South East Asia
[05:18] <jono> Belutz: if you could get sponsorship to cover some expenses that would be useful, but Canonical would no doubt pick up some of the tab
[05:18] <Belutz> Actually i have met with the mighty sabdfl :D
[05:18] <Belutz> jono, noted :)
 QUESTION: Has any (known) musician ever been contacted to see if they would like to include samples of their work towards sound effects / jingles for Ubuntu?
[05:20] <jono> lotusleaf: I think we have talked with some musos - but nothing concrete has happened
 QUESTION: Can we expect any future events with Ubuntu/Google in California?
[05:20] <jono> we love Google, so very possibly :)
[05:21] <elkbuntu> yeah google does rock
[05:21] <poningru> >:(
 QUESTION: What if Ubuntu collaborate with Google Singapore to conduct events across South East Asia? :)
[05:22] <jono> Belutz: who knows? we (Canonical) like to form partnerships to help spread Ubuntu :)
[05:22] <Belutz> wew
[05:22] <jono> ok
[05:22] <jono> so, I think we are done
[05:22] <jono> thanks all
[05:22] <Belutz> I feel like my ubuntu spirit is charged :D
[05:22] <Belutz> thanks jono
[05:22] <f0ster52> thanks to you
[05:23] <jono> I will schedule the next community question time for the start of may :)
[05:23] <jono> right later all! :)
[05:23] <poningru> adios
[05:23] <d1uluv2h8> hm.. where's the rush ? :)
[05:24] <poningru> that way ----->
[05:24] <elkbuntu> he's a busy man
[05:24] <d1uluv2h8> hehe, i see
[05:34] <urban1> So, the meeting will no happen?
[05:34] <urban1> not happen?
[05:34] <d1uluv2h8> well.. it already happened :P
[05:34] <d1uluv2h8> check the logs :)
[05:35] <urban1> I loose it
[05:35] <urban1> Can you tell me, where can I see the logs?
[05:35] <elkbuntu> !logs
[05:35] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:36] <urban1> Thanks a lot! (Y)
[05:46] <poningru> @schedule New York
[05:46] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:46] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[05:46] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:46] <darkrho> @schedule La Paz
[05:46] <ubotu> Schedule for America/La_Paz: Current meeting: Community Question Time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 14:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:03] <stgraber> !logs | verb3k
[06:03] <ubotu> verb3k: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:03] <verb3k> ok
[06:09] <somerville32> Where is Jono?
[06:10] <poningru> somerville32: sorry dude too late
[06:11] <poningru> !toolate | somerville32
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toolate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <poningru> !logs | somerville32
[06:11] <ubotu> somerville32: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:11] <somerville32> The fridge is such a liar :(
[06:11] <poningru> we should go beat it up
[06:11] <somerville32> Indeed.
[06:11] <poningru> tommorrow at 4 before he gets out of the playground?
[06:12] <somerville32> For sure.
[06:12] <poningru> bring your brass knuckles
[06:12] <somerville32> Of course.
[06:25] <lotusleaf> @schedule California
[07:30] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[07:30] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 03 Apr 06:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 10:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 13:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 07:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 15:00: Technical Board
[07:57] <nixternal> hrmm
[07:57] <nixternal> doh
[08:01] <Seveas> nixternal, found the loose screw in your head? ;)
[08:02] <nixternal> nope
[08:02] <nixternal> actually, ...no I will leave that one alone ;)


[12:30] <manicka> hi bustacap
[12:31] <bustacap> gday manicka
[04:09] <Madpilot> is there an svn command to merge a diff I've been sent into my local copy? svn merge looks right, but I can't figure out the syntax
[04:12] <LaserJock> hmm, not sure
[04:14] <Madpilot> I've created a fair number of diffs, but never bothered figuring out how to handle them further :P
[04:15] <LaserJock> is your local copy clean?
[04:18] <Madpilot> yes
[04:20] <LaserJock> then you should just apply the patch then
[04:21] <LaserJock> yikes, bad grammar there
[04:30] <Madpilot> svn's help is being non-helpful - which *is* the 'apply this patch' command, anyway?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: svn not being helpful. What a shock
[04:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, by man-page standards, svn help is reasonable :P
[04:32] <LaserJock> Madpilot: why not use patch ?
[04:33] <Madpilot> the regular console command patch? (there doesn't seem to be an "svn patch"...)
[04:33] <LaserJock> yeah, that is what I always use
[04:34] <Madpilot> Ah, OK. bleh - given that svn uses it's own patch-creation routine, I was expecting patch-merging to be in svn as well
[04:36] <LaserJock> well, you aren't supposed to do anything outside of the repo so ;-)
[04:37] <Madpilot> I'm still confused - what's the 'usual' method of dealing with diffs, then?
[04:37] <LaserJock> patch
[04:40] <Burgundavia> patch -p0 patch.patch file (I think)
[04:41] <Madpilot> and if it's a diff encompassing multiple files?
[04:49] <LaserJock> usually you have to adjust the -p to -p1 or -p2 depending on how deep it is
[04:51] <Madpilot> "patch -p0 udgaddperiod.diff
[04:51] <Madpilot> " - but all it does is sit there until I hit Ctrl+C, no matter which directory I stick the .diff in before I start - wtf?
[04:53] <LaserJock> oh, use < to pipe the file in
[04:54] <LaserJock> patch uses stdin for the diff
[04:55] <Madpilot> ah
[04:56] <Madpilot> that finally worked - thanks
[05:13] <LaserJock> np Madpilot
[05:34] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek
[05:34] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock
[05:34] <Madpilot> hi robotgeek
[05:34] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot
[05:37] <robotgeek> had to /remove someone in #kubuntu
[05:38] <LaserJock> really?
[05:39] <robotgeek> yeah, i hate it when people paste without reading /topic
[05:39] <crimsun> lj: will review packaging guide later this weekend (a bit more time now that the alsa patches have been spun)
[05:40] <LaserJock> crimsun: ok, cool. I really got to get a lot done on that this weekend
[05:41] <crimsun> ok, I'll see if I can svn up before sunday, but I'm away from Ubuntu this weekend visiting my gf in Atlanta
[05:43] <robotgeek> Madpilot: seveas fixed the nice script for me and nalioth
[05:43] <Madpilot> robotgeek, which script?
[05:44] <robotgeek> irssi only, but it basically ops and deops you automatically after performing the required action
[05:44] <Madpilot> ah, that one. Doesn't someone have an XChat version too? (Seveas?)
[05:44] <robotgeek> hmm, maybe
[05:45] <robotgeek> nalioth and I owe seveas some beer for fixing perl code!
[06:08] <robotgeek> Madpilot: apparently the java version is not at update 6. i will make those changes, with some added instructiosn for ppc also
[06:20] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i'm wondering what is the best way to do this
[08:15] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[08:16] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia
[08:28] <robotgeek> mdke: ping
[08:35] <Madpilot> hi all
[08:36] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[08:37] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot
[08:38] <robotgeek> Madpilot: can you take a look at the java section in kdg and see if you like it?
[08:39] <Madpilot> robotgeek, sure - maybe not tonight, though
[08:40] <robotgeek> Madpilot: it's a small section, i will commit the changes for you too :)
[08:40] <Madpilot> robotgeek, just a minute, then I'll have a loook
[08:48] <Madpilot> robotgeek, shouldn't the Java section be somewhere more conspicuious than "Misc. Tips"?
[08:48] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, did you guys move it already? :)
[08:49] <Madpilot> in UDG it's in Internet, in with the other Firefox setup tips
[08:49] <robotgeek> Madpilot: no, it's in programming
[08:50] <Madpilot> gah, you're right - I'm behind the times too :P
[08:50] <Madpilot> there's a link to it from the Internet section though
[08:50] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yeah, i see that. I will do the same.
[08:50] <robotgeek> but other than that, the content is fine?
[08:51] <Madpilot> Yes
[08:51] <robotgeek> cool, i'll move it and commit it
[08:51] <Madpilot> I'm going to steal your warning about what Java applies to for UDG
[08:52] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i was planning to copy over the java section to UDG and commit too
[08:52] <robotgeek> since you seemed to be in a hurry :)
[08:52] <Madpilot> sure, go ahead - thanks
[08:54] <robotgeek> i also updated the versions
[09:01] <robotgeek> Madpilot: Committed as revision 2574.
[09:02] <Madpilot> robotgeek, thanks
[09:02] <robotgeek> Madpilot: there are a couple of ppc things which i will be doing, hopefully
[09:02] <Madpilot> robotgeek, do you run PPC?
[09:02] <robotgeek> yes
[09:03] <robotgeek> hence the "help needed" sections on the guide, i can't install all that stuff even if i wanted to
[09:03] <Madpilot> anyone active on the docteam run AMD64, do you know?
[09:03] <robotgeek> nope, i know nalioth runs amd64
[09:07] <robotgeek> welcome tonyyarusso
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> I have arrived.
[09:07] <Madpilot> hi tonyyarusso
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Hi.
[09:09] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, there's a docteam mailing list as well, if you're interested in joining that
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I may.  First I need to take a few minutes to get my e-mail under control.
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> My nautilus-list things are already somewhat annoying, and no longer relevant, so I should probably part with that, and maybe use a different account next time.
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> (Not a fan of when my gdesklet says 12 new messages and they're all mailing list)
[09:11] <robotgeek> +1 tonyyarusso
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> What was that?
[09:12] <robotgeek> i used to get pissed off about those mails too :)
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> So are there some good little wiki things outlining good practice for things like documenting an installation experience, describing an OS, etc.?  A large portion of my hopeful intended audience is Windows users that I want to inform about alternatives, especially now that Vista is on the horizon.
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> robotgeek: I see.
[09:13] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, see the /topic here for a bunch of good links that should get you started - quick questions here, longer questions to the ML
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> I joined initially to ask about selecting files, like the Windows Explorer behavior.
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Gotcha.
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> The /topic says next meeting a week ago...
[09:15] <Madpilot> Not anymore, it doesn't :P
[09:26] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: see my followup to the disucss list
[09:27] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, on freegeek victoria, you mean? Sounds interesting, too bad ReStore can't participate
[09:27] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: What's the TBA about?
[09:27] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, we don't have an exact date, but our meetings are always every two weeks - so right now it's just "sometime in the 3rd week of March"
[09:28] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I was told this coming Tuesday would have a meeting about possibly delaying 6.04.
[09:28] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: indeed it will
[09:28] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, yeah, I read Mark Shuttleworth's email
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: So shouldn't that info be in that?
[09:29] <robotgeek> tonyyarusso: do you have a x86 machine and a kubuntu dapper iso?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> ah, crap Flight 5 made the front page of Digg and it is not even released
[09:29] <robotgeek> lol
[09:29] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, probably - the announcement was only this morning, though
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> robotgeek: x86 with Ubuntu, ShipIt disks.
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Point.
[09:30] <robotgeek> tonyyarusso: hmm okay
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> Actually, Danielle has my last disk now.  I guess I need Dapper soon to have a disk!
[09:30] <tonyyarusso> robotgeek: Why do you ask?
[09:31] <robotgeek> tonyyarusso: testing what i wrote, i am a ppc user. a full list of things is currently being emailed :)
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> robotgeek: ah.
[09:32] <Madpilot> robotgeek, send your list to the ML too - I've got Flight4 CDs of both Ubuntu & Kubuntu burned
[09:32] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yes, i am mailing the list, and point nalioth the url :)
[09:32] <Madpilot> cool
[09:37] <robotgeek> sent
[09:40] <tonyyarusso> Hey, if you haven't kept track in the past, can you check for a list of all of the wiki pages you have edited somehow?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: probably, but not easily
[09:43] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: there is "User contributions" button ala Wikipedia, if that is what you mean
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Is that user-tied or page-tied?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: in wikipedia?
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Either?
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> Whatever you think tells me what I need to know.
[09:45] <Burgundavia> mediaiwiki is per user as well as per page
[09:45] <Burgundavia> moin currenlty only does per page, unless there is a(nother, sigh) hidden feature
[09:46] <tonyyarusso> Hrm.  'k.
[11:12] <mdke> hiya
[11:12] <Madpilot> hi
[11:12] <jpatrick> hi
[11:19] <Madpilot> night all
[11:19] <jpatrick> night Madpilot
[08:09] <mkde> does anyone know where the admonition icons we use came from? I need some slightly larger versions
[08:10] <mkde> ah hell
[08:11] <mkde> let's see how that looks
[10:51] <LaserJock> trappist: I hope something develops fom your init scripts thread in u-devel


[12:51] <CoderEurope> Hi , there, I've a question: Can the Sharp netwalker PC-Z1 ~(2010) update ? http://archive.is/bzKQy
[12:54] <CoderEurope> It says it can do hee : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM#ARM_Processor   But, but I am just checking that the wiki is upto date ?
[12:54] <CoderEurope> **can do here
[13:01] <popey> that's a very old version of ubuntu
[13:02] <CoderEurope> Oh hi popey, I'm also in #ubuntu-community-team with a question, there =Good luck in TheHague !
[13:06] <CoderEurope> popey - look what I found on japon amazon: https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0064MESSI
[13:06] <CoderEurope> i want one.
[13:07] <CoderEurope> only came out a year or two ago.
[13:08] <popey> what a bizarre device
[13:09] <ogra_> oooh ... memories ...
[13:09] <ogra_> (the netwalker always makes me think of persia :) )
[13:34] <popey> ogra_: hah, him with his suit of many portable computers
[13:34] <ogra_> !
[13:36] <CoderEurope> ogra_: Wat prince of persia, or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
[13:37] <popey> persia is a person
[13:38] <CoderEurope> right ok - I shall bark somewhere else, today. bye.
[13:38] <CoderEurope> o/