[00:00] <seiflotfy> the project is called mayanna
[00:01] <kiko> mwhudson, can I try importing that on lpnet? I've not done a new-style yet
[00:03] <mwhudson> kiko: yeah, let's try it!
[00:03] <kiko> mwhudson, where do I start?
[00:03] <kiko> mwhudson, +source I guess?
[00:03] <mwhudson> kiko: right
[00:03] <mwhudson> kiko: there's a button there (for the likes of you and me) that says 'convert to new style'
[00:04] <kiko> converted
[00:04] <kiko> wtf
[00:04] <kiko> seiflotfy, Authentication realm: <https://mayanna.googlecode.com:443> Google Code Subversion Repository
[00:04] <mwhudson> seiflotfy: unfortunately, it's a google code import :/
[00:04] <kiko> seiflotfy, it requires a password?
[00:04] <mwhudson> kiko: s/https/http/ i think
[00:05] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmmmm
[00:05] <seiflotfy> yep
[00:05] <mwhudson> kiko: which you do on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mayanna/trunk/+edit-import now
[00:05] <seiflotfy> to upload to it
[00:06] <kiko> seiflotfy, he means to say that google code is flakyyy
[00:06] <kiko> mwhudson, I fucked it up
[00:06] <kiko> mwhudson, I created a new-style with https, then went back, deleted it, created a new one with http and now I'm oopsin
[00:06] <kiko> https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/OOPS-880EA180
[00:06] <kiko> BranchCreationException: A branch with the name "trunk" already exists for vcs-imports in mayanna.
[00:07] <kiko> I guess I can rename the original branch eh?
[00:07] <mwhudson> how did you delete it?
[00:07] <kiko> or better yet
[00:07] <kiko> NUKE it
[00:07] <mwhudson> but yeah "oops"
[00:07] <kiko> mwhudson, delete import
[00:07] <kiko> which is a confusing button title if there ever was one
[00:07] <mwhudson> kiko: oh, ok, after hitting the convert to new style button
[00:07] <mwhudson> kiko: DO NOT use the +source page again
[00:07] <kiko> yeah well
[00:08] <kiko> now I did already :-(
[00:08] <mwhudson> kiko: sorry, i know this is a bit confusing
[00:08] <kiko>     *
[00:08] <kiko> RetryPsycopgIntegrityError: ERROR: update or delete on table "codeimport" violates foreign key constraint "productseriescodeimport_codeimport_fkey" on table "productseriescodeimport" DETAIL: Key (id)=(2) is still referenced from table "productseriescodeimport". DELETE FROM CodeImport WHERE id = 2
[00:08] <kiko> https://devpad.canonical.com/~matsubara/oops.cgi/OOPS-880ED140
[00:08] <mwhudson> time for some head-table interaction
[00:08]  * kiko tries to pound some robustness into this system
[00:08] <seiflotfy> kiko
[00:08] <seiflotfy> the repository is http://mayanna.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
[00:09] <kiko> seiflotfy, yes, it's all my fault
[00:09] <kiko> mwhudson, can I somehow delete this new-style import?
[00:09] <seiflotfy> so is it accesible
[00:09] <mwhudson> kiko: sigh, probably not
[00:09] <seiflotfy> ?
[00:09]  * kiko renames
[00:09] <kiko> mwhudson, I'm renaming the branch then
[00:10] <kiko> seiflotfy, yeah, via http://
[00:10] <mwhudson> kiko: yeah, i'll hassle an osa into cleaning up the database
[00:10] <kiko> mwhudson, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mayanna/trunk-fucked ftw
[00:10] <mwhudson> kiko: one second
[00:10] <kiko> hmmm
[00:10] <seiflotfy> wtf?
[00:10] <seiflotfy> lol
[00:10] <kiko> seiflotfy, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
[00:11] <mwhudson> seiflotfy: congratulations, you're helping us debug a new system :)
[00:11] <seiflotfy> lol
[00:11] <seiflotfy> my pleasure
[00:11] <seiflotfy> i dont mind
[00:11] <seiflotfy> :)
[00:11] <seiflotfy> ok
[00:11] <mwhudson> kiko: i think things will work better if we try to fix up the new style import
[00:11] <seiflotfy>  should i try ot edit the trunk again
[00:11] <seiflotfy> or should i not touc hanything
[00:11] <kiko> seiflotfy, don't worry, I'll sort it out with mwhudson
[00:11] <mwhudson> kiko: not fix the details of the productseries and reconvert
[00:12] <mwhudson> kiko: just based on details of how the system works
[00:12] <kiko> seiflotfy, what's annoying is that it's likely it will fail, because it's google code :)
[00:12] <kiko> mwhudson, okay, sure.
[00:13] <kiko> mwhudson, so what next? :)
[00:13] <seiflotfy> well its odd
[00:13] <seiflotfy> because via browser if i go
[00:13] <seiflotfy> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mayanna/trunk/+edit-import
[00:13] <seiflotfy> ups i mean
[00:13] <seiflotfy> http://mayanna.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
[00:13] <seiflotfy> its open
[00:14] <mwhudson> kiko: i renamed the branch back
[00:14] <seiflotfy> did any1 here try mayanna
[00:14] <kiko> seiflotfy, the problem is more that google code drops connections kinda frequently
[00:14] <kiko> mwhudson, ah, that's what's 404ing ;)
[00:14] <mwhudson> kiko: and edited the details on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mayanna/trunk/+edit-import and clicked approve
[00:14] <kiko> I saw that
[00:14] <mwhudson> kiko: and that's it, the import should start within a minute
[00:14] <kiko> mwhudson, how do I see its log?
[00:15] <mwhudson> kiko: you can't see it as it runs yet :/
[00:15] <kiko> mwhudson, where's buildbot, the client certificate hack, Reload Config, etc?!!
[00:15] <mwhudson> kiko: i now!!!
[00:15] <kiko> this is madness
[00:15] <kiko> one single system to manage branches AND imports
[00:15] <kiko> who could have designed such a thing!!! only the peverse bristolian minds
[00:16] <kiko> with help from perverse minds too
[00:16] <kiko> mwhudson, I got the email too
[00:16] <kiko> neat
[00:17] <kiko> mwhudson, can you start out with a new-style import, or does it always need to be converted for now?
[00:18] <mwhudson> kiko: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new
[00:18] <mwhudson> embarrassingly, i'm not really sure who can see that page
[00:18] <mwhudson> (probably every one)
[00:18] <kiko> I can at least
[00:19] <mwhudson> well want to cherry pick a config change that takes the import your project button on the code homepage to that page
[00:19] <mwhudson> when we've switched everything over
[00:19] <mwhudson> man i can't type today
[00:21] <kiko> mwhudson, why wait to switch everything over?
[00:21] <mwhudson> kiko: you can sort of see progress on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+machines
[00:21] <mwhudson> kiko: so we can test that it works at all first?
[00:21] <kiko> heh
[00:21] <kiko> mwhudson, is this the first one we try? :)
[00:21] <mwhudson> we're doing that now
[00:22] <mwhudson> kiko: it's the first new import
[00:22] <mwhudson> kiko: i converted pydoctor, an old import i don't care about, earlier
[00:22] <mwhudson> kiko: new-style imports are currently throttled to only run two at a time per machine
[00:23] <mwhudson> so we shouldn't do mass conversions yet
[00:23] <LaserJock> mwhudson, kiko: I can see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new for what it's worth
[00:23] <mwhudson> LaserJock: oh, cool :)
[00:23] <kiko> mwhudson, IC
[00:26] <mwhudson> except haha, i bet they're not actually throttled
[00:26] <mwhudson> because i probably edited the wrong config file :(
[00:33] <LaserJock> so I guess I'll try this again cause I really would like to get the imported, but are vcsimports retried after they fail?
[00:33] <LaserJock> and if so how long are they retried until you just give up
[00:34] <mwhudson> LaserJock: it depends on the nature of the failure
[00:34] <LaserJock> I swear gchemutils has to be able to work, somehow :-)
[00:34] <mwhudson> LaserJock: and they have to be manually retried
[00:34] <LaserJock> I had problems the other day with git-cvsimport, but when I tried a fresh import it worked
[00:34] <mwhudson> i can
[00:34] <LaserJock> I wonder if that kind of thing would help
[00:35] <mwhudson> 't remember the problem with gchemutils off hand
[00:35] <mwhudson> was it the file-created-by-merge thing?
[00:36] <LaserJock> I can't remember either, and I don't have access, that I know of, to see
[00:36] <LaserJock> is it possible to give the importer a branch to keep updated?
[00:36] <mwhudson> mmm
[00:37] <mwhudson> not easily, that's for sure
[00:37] <LaserJock> I wondered if I could manually get it up to speed (doing whatever I could), then give it over to LP to mirror
[00:38] <LaserJock> the breakage is now 44 weeks old and that history becomes increasingly irrelevant
[00:38] <LaserJock> which is a real bummer with DVCSs in general. One commit years ago can break the whole thing
[00:39] <mwhudson> yeah
[00:39] <mwhudson> oh right
[00:40] <mwhudson> LaserJock: this is this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs/+bug/120977
[00:40] <mwhudson> LaserJock: cscvs is open source, feel like fixing it? :)
[00:41] <mwhudson> we should probably schedule some time to work on this bug, but well...
[00:41] <LaserJock> mwhudson: hehe, if I knew anything about VCSs I would
[00:45] <LaserJock> mwhudson: heh, the cscvs README could probably use some updating, it's from 2004 and has tla instructions
[00:45] <mwhudson> LaserJock: oh man
[00:46] <mwhudson> LaserJock: it may also help your future to know that cscvs is really written in smalltalk
[00:46] <mwhudson> it just looks like python
[00:46] <LaserJock> really?
[00:46] <mwhudson> well
[00:47] <mwhudson> i am being a bit elliptic i guess
[00:47] <mwhudson> but the source definitely has a smalltalk-ish edge to it
[00:47] <mwhudson> and it makes a lot more sense when you know this
[00:48] <LaserJock> k, gotcha
[00:49] <LaserJock> hmm, last commit was 2007-12-11, I'm guessing people must be moving on from CVS
[00:49] <LaserJock> bzr-svn seems quite active
[00:50] <mwhudson> yeah, we'll probably use bzr-svn for svn imports at some point
[00:51] <mwhudson> oh man, so many things to do
[00:51] <LaserJock> gotta run, perhaps one day I'll work up to taking a crack at it
[00:51] <LaserJock> I'm sub'd to that bug anyway, so if in the mean time somebody fixes it I'd own them a drink ;-)
[00:52] <mwhudson> heh heh
[01:08] <mwhudson> seiflotfy: yay cool, your branch imported! https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/mayanna/trunk
[03:02] <RAOF> Are Intrepid PPAs supposed to work at the moment?  I uploaded a couple of packages (libdrm, nouveau), and they've appeared on the frontpage as 'built', but there are no binaries and the source packages haven't been queued to build.   https://launchpad.net/~raof+archive
[03:14] <kiko> RAOF, no, not yet. there are no chroots yet.
[03:15] <RAOF> Well, that's annoying.  How am I supposed to build nouveau for my Intrepid laptop, then :P
[03:16] <kiko> heh
[03:16] <kiko> poke people to get them set up!
[03:19]  * RAOF pokes indescriminately
[03:21] <jml> hello what huh
[03:21] <jml> RAOF: discriminate better!
[03:22] <RAOF> jml: My policy is to provoke a chain-poke-reaction until the appropriate pokee is poked.
[04:37] <mwhudson> statik: hi :)
[08:27] <mdke> is there a page which lists all the mailing lists currently enabled?
[08:41] <jamesh> mdke: not a public one
[08:41] <jamesh> (just the admin interface
[08:41] <mdke> jamesh: i think I might have admin rights, can you tell me the address? I only have the one for pending applications
[08:42] <jamesh> you don't have admin rights
[08:42] <mdke> I have rights to the pending applications ones just for the purposes of looking at Ubuntu related applications
[08:43] <mdke> ah, ok
[08:43] <jamesh> I don't see you on https://edge.launchpad.net/~admins/+members
[08:43] <mdke> jamesh: no, I'm certainly not a launchpad admin ;)
[08:44] <mdke> I'm interested in finding out what Ubuntu related lists exist already
[08:44] <jamesh> was there something in particular that you were looking for?
[08:44] <jamesh> oh
[08:45] <jamesh> It'd definitely be useful to have some way of finding lists
[08:46] <mdke> apart from anything else, it's necessary to consider existing applications
[08:46] <mdke> ah i see, the rights I have arise out of membership to the mailing-list-experts group
[08:47] <jamesh> ah.  mailing-list-experts probably gives you access
[08:47] <jamesh> try https://edge.launchpad.net/+mailinglists
[08:47] <mdke> that's the one that shows me pending applications
[08:48] <jamesh> if that one doesn't give you the info you want, then I don't know what will
[08:48] <jamesh> maybe wait til barry wakes up
[08:49] <mdke> jamesh: ok, thanks for the help. I'll mail him or file a bug a bit later I guess
[09:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:27] <Hobbsee> *evening*, mpt
[11:33] <thekorn> hi, this new 'vote and comment on branches' feature is really cool, thanks!
[11:34] <thekorn> if you couls add such functionality for patches too, it would be awesome :)
[12:22] <Rorschach> hi does anyone know if I can change my launchpad account-name? If I change it under change details I get no error but nothin g happens? is this a launchpad bug?
[12:34] <RicardoPerez> Please: is there any Launchpad admin here who could answer me a question about @ubuntu.com email forwarding? Thanks in advance.
[14:27] <brandon_rhodes> Does launchpad provide anything like a blog per project?
[14:29] <jamesh> brandon_rhodes: you can create announcements, which are also published as a feed
[14:29] <jamesh> not quite the same as a blog, but might suit your needs
[14:30] <brandon_rhodes> jamesh: thanks!  where would I find that under the interface? I haven't stumbled across it yet...
[14:30] <jamesh> on the project page, there is a "Make announcement" link in t he actions menu on the left
[14:31] <jamesh> (assuming you own the project)
[14:34] <brandon_rhodes> Ah, thanks, I see it now. :-) I was expecting a "blog" or "announcements" tab, but I see it now.  Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for - just a way to post a news feed about new releases, etcetera, that people can subscribe to.
[14:38] <jamesh> brandon_rhodes: if you have some other site for your project, the feed should make it relatively easy to integrate the announcements there
[14:55] <james_w> Hi all, do merge proposals generate a notification email?
[15:00] <kiko> james_w, I believe they do
[15:00] <kiko> but I would need to ask thumper to be sure
[15:02] <james_w> I assume that they do, but I wonder who gets them, I have never received one as part of ~bzr even when branches are proposed for merging in to ~bzr/something
[15:14] <thekorn> james_w, subscribers to the target branch seems to get a notification email
[15:15] <james_w> ah, ok. I would have assumed the owner was an implicit subscriber.
[15:46] <KaZeR> hey guys. there's a little thing with the import of our svn. last commit i made was 1085, but on launchad it's seen as 905. can this be fixed?
[15:53] <kiko> KaZeR, is the import running or is it stopped?
[16:04] <KaZeR> it says it's online
[16:04] <KaZeR> last run : success, 4h ago
[16:05] <KaZeR> notice that we were using cvs until 2 months ago. but svn says it's rev 1085
[16:10] <KaZeR> also i have questions about the translation tool.
[16:10] <KaZeR> at first, i manually uploaded the .po files. now, will they get auto-updated with the svn sync?
[16:14] <mok0> How can I open a sub-task specifically to be closed for ii?
[16:15] <james_w> mok0: it already has a task for hardy?
[16:15] <mok0> no, just on the source package
[16:15] <mok0> bug 114707
[16:16] <james_w> the "Nominate for release" link on the right should do it, but if it's just to be fixed in intrepid there is no need.
[16:16] <mok0> james_w: I would like to keep the bug open for hardy etc
[16:17] <james_w> mok0: just add a task for the releases you are going to do an SRU for
[16:17] <mok0> james_w: ... and that's what I can't figure out how to do
[16:18] <james_w> ah, on the left sorry, "Nominate for release"
[16:18] <mok0> Ha! Thanks james_
[17:29] <mok0> What to do about a bug where a fix is given, but does not require any patching of the software? The problem is solved for the reporter, but it seems wrong to set the bug to "invalid" or "won't fix".
[17:47] <BadChoice> hy!
[17:47] <BadChoice> I'm having trouble with bzr
[17:48] <BadChoice> can  you help me?
[17:48] <BadChoice> what is the command I have to use to push with ssh?
[17:48] <andrea-bs> BadChoice: bzr push bzr+ssh://...
[17:49] <BadChoice> after ssh://...
[17:49] <BadChoice> goes my username and my project?
[17:49] <kiko-fud> BadChoice, it depends. what are you pushing to?
[17:49] <andrea-bs> BadChoice: you can find the full address in the branch page
[17:49] <BadChoice> to a branch named main
[17:50] <BadChoice> bzr push lp:~guitarboy000/gloobus/main
[17:50] <BadChoice> says this
[17:50] <BadChoice> but it gives me an mkdir error
[17:50] <BadChoice> that it can't make dirs throught http
[17:50] <kiko-fud> BadChoice, bzr launchpad-login
[17:50] <kiko-fud> abentley, are we gonna fix that error message btw? :)
[17:51] <BadChoice> No Launchpad user ID configured.
[17:51] <BadChoice> a well
[17:51] <BadChoice>  bzr launchpad-login guitarboy000
[17:52] <BadChoice> wou
[17:52] <BadChoice> I think it worked now
[17:53] <BadChoice> mm
[17:53] <BadChoice> but in the launchpad page still says "This branch has not been pushed to yet."
[17:55] <BadChoice> ok
[17:55] <BadChoice> it takes a while!
[17:55] <BadChoice> it worked pretty well!
[17:55] <BadChoice> Thank you!
[18:22] <LaserJock> is there a reason why only the advanced +filebug page has the cool Ubuntu bug filing instructions?
[18:23] <LaserJock> I would think it would be the non-advanced users that would need them more
[18:43] <bobbo> I hit control+c by accident when pushing a bzr branch to launchpad and now get an error when trying to push again: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15837/. Can anyone tell me how to fix this?
[18:44] <beuno> bobbo, bzr break-lock lp:project
[18:44] <beuno> bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:44] <beuno> to be more precise
[18:45] <beuno> you may have to run that twice
[18:46] <bobbo> beuno: thats fixed it, thanks alot :)
[18:47] <beuno> bobbo, np. The next version of bzr (1.6) will report an error with more information on how to fix this
[18:47] <bobbo> beuno: good news :)
[19:14] <fta> RAOF, did you manage to poke someone for PPA/intrepid ?
[19:19] <KaZeR> i have questions about the translation tool.
[19:19] <KaZeR> at first, i manually uploaded the .po files. now, will they get auto-updated with the svn sync?
[19:24] <kirkland> it would be really nice if the "Register a Blueprint" button were on your own "Blueprints" page ;-)
[19:31] <matsubara> kirkland: bug 120582
[19:31] <kirkland> matsubara: rock on, thanks.
[20:02] <abentley> kiko: There was certainly discussion of fixing that, and I thought it had been done.
[20:11] <kiko> cool
[20:11] <kiko> LaserJock, both pages have them. it's just not presented before you search.
[20:12] <LaserJock> kiko: ahhh
[20:12] <LaserJock> great
[20:28] <mok0> LaserJock: You're back!
[20:29] <LaserJock> not exactly
[20:29] <LaserJock> just trying to finish up leaving
[20:30] <mok0> heh
[21:40] <kiko> abentley, I think that was https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/229434 :-/
[21:41] <abentley> kiko: Sorry, what was the question?
[21:41] <abentley> There was a fix done, but it turned out to be broken.
[21:41] <abentley> Then SteveA vetoed the whole approach.
[21:49] <swegner> Hi, I'm looking to host a new project on Launchpad.  I'm pretty excited about using the bzr source control and bug reports, but I'm kinda stuck in that there doesn't seem to be any general webpage hosting?  Is there some resource for projects that need a Wiki for user documentation or blueprints?
[22:00] <statik> swegner, not yet, we want to add wiki pages in the future
[22:01] <statik> swegner, you could set up a free wiki at wik.is and then point from your blueprints to that
[22:02]  * statik really wants wikis built into launchpad
[22:02] <LaserJock> yeah, I think that's kind of the last missing piece
[22:03] <swegner> I'd like to avoid registered a sourceforge project as well, but I think it would be worth having the webspace
[22:04] <swegner> do you think wikis are coming soon?   is it worth holding out for
[22:15] <kiko> swegner, not in the next 2 months, unfortunately.
[22:15] <kiko> swegner, but why not use wik.is instead of sf.net?
[22:32] <swegner> kiko: I've never heard of it... is it comparable/better?
[22:34] <kiko> swegner, it's just for wikihosting. I prefer it to all the bells-n-whistles
[22:35] <swegner> kiko: this does look good.  I think all I probably need for the project is a simple wiki.  this would probably do the trick-- thanks
[22:56] <sistpoty> hi, I have a very stupid question: how can I join the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team? (I didn't find a link in the actions field on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors)
[22:57] <LaserJock> sistpoty: you need to ask a team admin to add you
[22:57] <LaserJock> it's a Restricted LP team
[22:57] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ah, so a restricted team doesn't have the option to request joining via the ui?
[22:57] <LaserJock> sistpoty: nope
[22:57] <sistpoty> thanks LaserJock
[22:58] <sistpoty> oh, since you're around LaserJock... how should we proceed with motu-sru now? (-> #ubuntu-motu please ;))
[23:19] <bdmurray> any bugs team people around?
[23:56] <kiko> bdmurray, sure. :)
[23:58] <bdmurray> I got an e-mail and I'm not sure if it is expected behavior.  I got a "NEW" you've been subscribed message for a bug I reported because a team I'm a member of was subscribed.


[09:37] <simonc_67> Hi all, I'm having problems with a netboot. Using dapper & edgy. The pxeboot works fine, but I've setup a local mirror using the ubuntu alternate cd mounted loopback. The install proceeds fine but I get message "Bad archive mirror" The virtual console tells me the right release file is being interrogated. Any ideas. Could this be the debian busybox/glibc problem?


[13:53] <catred> ~cluelessperson can you provide some context about what you're trying or what docs or tutorial you're following?
[14:01] <minimal> catred: they've not staying in channel long enough for anyone to try and help them


[01:37] <Dante123> Hi All, I have a Pentium 3 at 450 mhz and 192 mb ram.....should I go with the regular cd or the alternate install?  Thanks in advance for the advice.
[01:37] <TheSheep> alternate
[01:37] <TheSheep> it's always faster
[01:37] <TheSheep> well, almost always
[01:38] <Dante123> ok...thanks I was leaning that way.  I just saw I had enough to do the regular in terms of ram.
[01:41] <TheSheep> Dante123: well, that's kind of minimum...
[01:42] <Dante123> yeah, well this computer is for my kids to run audacity in and record.  Do you have another distro you suggest for this machine (that won't require me helping them more than necessary)?
[01:49] <TheSheep> Dante123: no, xubuntu is optimized for 'works out of the box'
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> I have it installed on a similar system.  Its slow, but tolerable.
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> or so I remember. dont use it much
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> its mostly a backup server
[05:24] <Posty2k3> Quick question for you guys if anyone's around... On this old laptop I have, I've managed to boot an old 7.04 disc (stops working when it's near the desktop because the disc is scratched, but at least shows the GUI starting up, etc). However, on trying to boot up 7.1, it shows a blank screen after going through the boot screen... It won't even start to go into the desktop envronment
[05:24] <Posty2k3> environment*
[05:24] <Posty2k3> Any ideas on what's wrong?
[07:43] <sugardrunkk> the applications don't seem to dock to panel anymore
[07:43] <sugardrunkk> aynone else experienced this?
[07:45] <kwhk> augardrunkk: u don't see the panels on top and bottom?
[07:47] <sugardrunkk> kwhk, i do
[07:48] <sugardrunkk> kwhk, yeasterday, the menu disappearent from the up panel and now, the apps won't dock to it when minimized
[07:55] <sugardrunkk> What is is called where the applications dock?
[07:57] <ere4si> in the panel? system tray
[08:06] <sugardrunkk> ere4si, yes, thanks :D
[08:06] <ere4si> k
[09:56]  * Pondiboy is away: auto-away
[10:00]  * Pondiboy is back (gone 00:03:58)
[10:05] <maristo> Hello, can Xfburn record unicode filenames? Is here some problems?
[10:50] <linuxkid> hello
[10:51] <linuxkid>  is there a way to make the windows allways open in maximized?
[15:13] <WalterBE> Hi, I have just gone over from ubuntu to xubuntu and am now trying to get everthing working again. Currently I have problems with google earth. I can not get it to work. I keeps stopping on the splach screen. I have a ATI radeon 9200 PRO grafic chip. I have found on the website of ATI proprietary software for that cart. Does anybody knows of those work for the current version of xubuntu? there are more then a year old.
[15:13] <WalterBE> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html
[15:15] <TheSheep> WalterBE: if it works in gnome, it should work in xfce
[15:15] <TheSheep> WalterBE: both ubuntu and xubuntu use the same kernels and kernel modules and x drivers
[15:16] <WalterBE> it used to work in gnome, sloow, very sloow, but it worked.
[15:36] <jmolek28> hi
[15:37] <jmolek28> i screwed up my xubuntu by trying to use compiz and it wouldnt let me do anything to windows, so i deleted the packages and now i dont have any frames around windows, how could i get them back?
[15:38] <jmolek28> i had to use compiz --replace to install it in the first place
[15:39] <Tony_> wait, you cant have compiz?!
[15:39] <jmolek28> i downloaded the package
[15:39] <TheSheep> joakim_: xfwm4
[15:41] <jmolek28> well, does anyone know the --replace command to use to reverse it
[15:42] <TheSheep> joakim_: sorry :)
[15:42] <TheSheep> jmolek28: xfwm4
[15:43] <jmolek28> okay.. so in the terminal type xfwm4 --replace?
[15:43] <TheSheep> jmolek28: no
[15:43] <TheSheep> jmolek28: type 'xfwm4;
[15:43] <jmolek28> thats it?
[15:43] <TheSheep> s/;/'
[15:43] <TheSheep> sorry
[15:44] <jmolek28> okay.. brb
[15:44] <TheSheep> without the quotes
[15:44] <jmolek28> wait... so "s/xfwn4/"
[15:44] <TheSheep> xfwm4
[15:44] <jmolek28> okay
[15:44] <jmolek28> just that
[15:44] <TheSheep> 5 characters
[15:44] <jmolek28> brb
[15:44] <Tony_> just xfwm4
[15:45] <TheSheep> I sure can confuse things :)
[15:45] <jmolek28> AMAZING.. thank you so much
[15:45] <jmolek28> i had a minor flip out when i screwed it up earlier
[16:55] <eNiNjA> hello all....
[16:55] <vinze> Hey eNiNjA
[16:56] <eNiNjA> has anyone ever seen the xfce-terminal crashing xorg?
[16:57] <eNiNjA> as soon as i start the terminal, xorg crashes and takes me to the login screen
[17:00] <eNiNjA> xfce4-terminal ......my bad
[17:00] <eNiNjA> will do the same thing if i ctrl+alt+F1 to bring up the console when xfce4 is up and running
[17:01] <TheSheep> eNiNjA: yes, it happened in Gutsy with i810 and SiS graphics cards
[17:01] <eNiNjA> ah
[17:01] <eNiNjA> i have the i810
[17:01] <TheSheep> eNiNjA: setting DefaultDepth to 16 helps
[17:01] <eNiNjA> ok cool
[17:01] <TheSheep> eNiNjA: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:01] <eNiNjA> yea
[17:08] <greencookie> help
[17:08] <maristo> F1
[17:08] <greencookie> huh
[17:10] <vinze> !ask | greencookie
[17:10] <ubotu> greencookie: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:10] <greencookie>  lol thnx vinze
[17:10] <greencookie> I'm totally new to xfce, I come primarily from gnome background.
[17:11] <greencookie> I messed up my taskbars in xfce
[17:11] <greencookie> how do I reset everything?
[17:11] <scizzo-> hello, I was wondering isn't there suppose to be a xubuntu-restricted-extras in the repo?
[17:11] <vinze> scizzo-, there is in 7.10, just not via Add/Remove... (I've already filed a bug)
[17:11] <greencookie> scizzo-: yes there is
[17:12] <vinze> greencookie, the panel's configuration is in ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[17:12] <scizzo-> strange...its not in my repo...even though I am using all available
[17:12] <vinze> greencookie, but I suppose that'll only enable you to delete everything and re-create it again
[17:14] <sau> I messed up the panels how can I reset them? Do I have to add remove a user everytime?
[17:15] <vinze> sau, you too?
[17:15] <vinze> sau, in any case, you could copy a new user's configuration from ~/.config/xfce4/panel to your own home directory
[17:15] <sau> vinze this is greencookie. I got dc before I could read your answers.
[17:15] <sau> vinze thanks!
[17:16] <vinze> :)
[19:43] <eNiNjA> hello all
[19:47] <eNiNjA> i just wanted to say thankyou to whoever it was that helped me with the xfce4-terminal xorg crash problem earlier
[19:47] <eNiNjA> my net went down, and i couldnt come to give my gratitude =)
[20:23] <nicolah> where can I find the vnc server configuration in xubuntu 7.10 ? thanks
[23:13] <retour> anybody experienced xfce and alsa mixer problems? locked setting of capture!?
[23:13] <crimsun> that happens if you use pulseaudio
[23:14] <crimsun> (and your driver only exposes one playback/capture mixer element)
[23:14] <retour> crimsun: what does it mean pulseaudio?
[23:15] <crimsun> retour: something likely irrelevant in this situation (otherwise you'd know :)
[23:15] <retour> or simply how to cure it! It was OK yesterday and died today
[23:15] <crimsun> any apps hanging on to the mixer?
[23:16] <crimsun> `sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/audio* /dev/snd/*`
[23:16] <retour> I dont think so rebooted many times played with alsamixergui and alsamixer under console
[23:18] <retour> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[23:18] <retour> xfce-mcs- 6718 sylwek    5u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:18] <retour> xfce4-mix 6739 sylwek   14u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:19] <crimsun> expand $COLUMNS
[23:22] <retour> COMMAND         PID        USER        FD        TYPE      DEVICE SIZE       NODE NAME
[23:22] <retour> xfce-mcs-          6718      sylwek      5u        CHR        116,12              13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:22] <retour> xfce4-mix          6739      sylwek      14u       CHR        116,12             13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:23] <retour> I put more spaces but it sti;; ;ooks same
[23:23] <retour> where should I use your expand columns here or in console?
[23:25] <crimsun> hmm
[23:25] <crimsun> export COLUMNS=200
[23:25] <crimsun> then rerun it
[23:28] <retour> got disconnected: cromsun what was the last part youve got from me?
[23:28] <crimsun> 18:25 < crimsun> export COLUMNS=200
[23:28] <crimsun> 18:25 < crimsun> then rerun it
[23:32] <retour> no difference! I put it as a 1-st command and than your ls and no difference
[23:33] <crimsun> hmm, probably sudo wiping the env
[23:33] <crimsun> try without the sudo
[23:33] <retour> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[23:33] <retour> xfce-mcs- 6718 sylwek    5u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:33] <retour> xfce4-mix 6739 sylwek   14u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:34] <crimsun> sigh
[23:34] <crimsun> ok, `ps 6718 ; ps 6739`
[23:34] <retour> what I can retype to make it easier?
[23:35] <retour> root@X-BOX:/home/sylwek# ps 6718 ; ps 6739
[23:35] <retour>   PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[23:35] <retour>  6718 ?        Ss     0:00 xfce-mcs-manager
[23:35] <retour>   PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[23:35] <retour>  6739 ?        S      0:00 /usr/lib/xfce4-mixer/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-mixer-
[23:36] <retour> I can use the paste link if can help anyhow
[23:37] <crimsun> ok, is this behaviour reproducible after you've logged out of Xfce and into the terminal (tty/0 or vc/0)?
[23:38] <crimsun> i.e., don't use gdm, use a tty
[23:38] <retour> what behaviour?
[23:38] <crimsun> "locked setting of capture"
[23:39] <retour> hmmm let me try alsamixer under console
[23:40] <smacintyre> anyone know how to get my ensoniq (audio pci) to work with xubuntu?
[23:41] <retour> crimsun: after alsamixer under console I dont even see slider named Capture!?
[23:41] <crimsun> retour: did you press F4?
[23:41] <retour> ayyy sorry!!! Man U know everything
[23:42] <crimsun> smacintyre: what do you mean that it doesn't work?
[23:42] <smacintyre> I have no sound
[23:42] <crimsun> smacintyre: does `asoundconf list` in a Terminal list it?
[23:42] <smacintyre> ok
[23:43] <smacintyre> Names of available sound cards:
[23:43] <smacintyre> AudioPCI
[23:43] <smacintyre> Names of available sound cards:
[23:43] <smacintyre> AudioPCI
[23:44] <retour> crimsun: OK under console/root/alsamixer everything works! (visually). But under gui xfce-mixer my Capture slider is on the rubber.   Have you checked the mixer levels?
[23:44] <crimsun> retour: probably an xfce4-mixer bug
[23:45] <smacintyre> mixer settings show everything as checked. how do you adjust levels?
[23:46] <crimsun> smacintyre: pastebin `amixer` output
[23:48] <smacintyre> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Mono:
[23:48] <crimsun> please let him know about http://pastebin.ca when he returns
[23:48] <crimsun> I'm out for a few minutes
[23:50] <somerville32> Why would I get this?
[23:50] <somerville32> [19:36] <somerville32> The court would simply order you to produce it
[23:50] <somerville32> [19:36] <somerville32> Or the attorney can issue a subpoena
[23:50] <somerville32> [19:40] * JackQW<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #mentor
[23:50] <somerville32> [19:40] * ChanServ gives voice to JackQW
[23:51] <somerville32> [19:40] <JackQW> god dammit
[23:51] <somerville32> ermm...
[23:51] <somerville32> eth1: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[23:57] <retour> any way to cure this bug? How about totally removing and reinstalling the whole sound system?
[23:58] <crimsun> somerville32: well, I'm not sure what evil you did to be subpoenaed... ;p
[23:58] <crimsun> somerville32: probably an iface rename issue.  Check `ip a`.
[23:58] <TheSheep> and /etc/iftab
[23:59] <crimsun> somerville32: namely, my eth1 stopped being renamed from wlan0_rename
[23:59] <somerville32> eth0 mac 00:08:54:d1:98:4e
[23:59] <somerville32> eth1 mac 00:c0:4f:6f:88:44
[23:59] <crimsun> (Then again, I know the reason on my machine.  I removed the scripts.)
[23:59] <somerville32> But I can't access eth1
[23:59] <somerville32> and eth2 comes up
[23:59] <somerville32> Maybe the mac address changed?


[02:02] <mongoosedog> can anyone help me i've lost all sounds?
[02:03] <yvan300> mongoosedog, do you have any idea why it stopped?
[02:04] <mongoosedog> nope it stopped after watching a movie on the failblog, i hadn't touched anything
[02:04] <yvan300> mongoosedog, you tried restarting :) ?
[02:04] <mongoosedog> yeah
[02:04] <mongoosedog> didn't help
[02:05] <yvan300> mongoosedog, ok, well when you go into sound preferences what's the situation?
[02:11] <mongoosedog> sorry had a little moment there
[02:12] <mongoosedog> yvan300 what am i looking for in sound preferences?
[02:13] <yvan300> Well is the sound muted etc?
[02:13] <mongoosedog> lol
[02:14] <mongoosedog> no
[02:14] <yvan300> darn, what is the volume level then??
[02:14] <mongoosedog> 100%
[02:15] <yvan300> oh and check the output tab and see if there are other drivers to choose from
[02:16] <mongoosedog> only the headset,
[02:16] <yvan300> mongoosedog, which one is chosen?
[02:17] <mongoosedog> internal audio analog stereo
[02:17] <mongoosedog> what the hell, i just kicked in?
[02:18] <mongoosedog> think i got a loose wire
[02:18] <yvan300> mongoosedog, so the sound works now???
[02:18] <mongoosedog> yes
[02:18] <mongoosedog> odd
[02:18] <mongoosedog> i changed nothing
[02:19] <mongoosedog> are you anygood with mediatomb?
[02:19] <yvan300> mongoosedog, what is that?
[02:19] <mongoosedog> media sever to stream to the ps3
[02:19] <nhandler> Anyone know what is in $PATH when a cron script runs?
[02:20] <yvan300> mongoosedog, naw, that is foreign to me, sorry
[02:20] <mongoosedog> do you know another good sever?
[02:22] <yvan300> mongoosedog, sorry i'm not the server kinda guy, but i think nhandler could help ya out on servers :D
[02:22] <nhandler> I haven't used mediatomb before
[02:23] <nhandler> What are you having problems with mongoosedog ?
[02:23] <nhandler> paultag or pleia2: Any ideas what is in $PATH by default in Ubuntu ?
[02:23] <nhandler> (in crontab)
[02:24] <paultag> Oh yes
[02:24] <paultag> it is really locked down nhandler
[02:24] <paultag> nhandler: one should always use absolute paths on the cron
[02:24] <paultag> nhandler: I think it's just /bin and /usr/bin
[02:24] <nhandler> paultag: Yeah, I know ;) I was just interested in seeing if it was actually necessary for something
[02:25] <nhandler> Thanks
[02:25] <paultag> nhandler: aye :)
[02:26] <mongoosedog> well mediatomb runs in firefox but when i run it, it come ups with the page you get if you net drops out
[02:28] <mongoosedog> if you know a better server let me know MT sucks the bag
[02:28] <mongoosedog> brb having a smoke let me know tho
[02:31] <nhandler> mongoosedog: I've hear of people using http://www.fireflymediaserver.org/ before. Not sure if it supports the ps3
[02:35] <mongoosedog> hmmm
[02:35] <mongoosedog> might have to hit google for it, still learning how to get applications running
[02:45] <BlubbTec> n8
[02:57] <mongoosedog> i have done what this page tells me above the config title and it won't run? any help
[03:01] <mongoosedog> PS3 Media Server
[03:01] <mongoosedog> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer
[03:01] <mongoosedog> sorry this page lol
[03:29] <duanedesign> finding community support in Linux http://ln-s.net/5Z+y
[04:29] <mongoosedog> ok guys, although i got second life to run, i can't seem to make any other apps not in the synaptic package manager to run, my files are in complete shambles and my head is going to explode, i follow all instructions but when i click run after double clicking a file nothing happens, every seach i do help with program once they are running, but i'm not getting that far, i'm sure it's...
[04:29] <mongoosedog> ...something really simple but ubuntu seems to operate very differently to what i'm used to (vista) i do enjoy problem solving but i've hit a massive snag, i could use DOS very well but the terminal throws me around, i really need some guidance
[04:31] <pedro3005> mongoosedog, what are you trying to do?
[06:56] <mongoosedog> sorry pedro3005 just trying to make programs run 	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ps3MediaServer trying to make that run, because  mediatomb only run when it wants to, althought right now it is working lol
[06:56] <mongoosedog> kids are sick mate sorry
[11:16] <hobgoblin> morning - anyone on here got any experience with apt-cacher ?
[11:27] <duanedesign> morning hobgoblin
[11:27] <hobgoblin> o/
[11:30] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: how's things/
[11:37] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: apt-cacher is new to me - and there are different ones to use ...
[11:37] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:30] <hobgoblin> nvm - I think I have sorted it now
[12:37] <duanedesign> hobgoblin: sorry i stepped out.
[12:37] <hobgoblin> I think I can forgive you today :)
[12:40] <duanedesign> heh, you get apt-cacher set up
[12:41] <hobgoblin> think so with apt-cacher-ng - I won't really know till there are some updates on lucid :)
[12:41] <hobgoblin> if I get the downloads quicker than 70kb/s I would hazard a guess it is :)
[13:58] <hobgoblin> duanedesign: yep - all appears to be hunky dory :)
[17:28] <AJH101> Hi I am hoping to install a dual boot of Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, sharing the same /home partition. I this relatively straightforward?
[18:25] <duanedesign> AJH101: did you get the info you were looking for?
[18:29] <drubin> 2/b 19
[19:33] <AJH101> Hi I am hoping to install a dual boot of Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, sharing the same /home partition. I this relatively straightforward?
[19:34] <paultag> AJH101: Humm.
[19:34] <paultag> AJH101: I would avoid it ( I used to do that )
[19:34] <paultag> AJH101: the issue is configuration changes from install to install
[19:34] <hobgoblin> I would +1 that - I try not to use same /home
[19:34] <paultag> AJH101: since it is studio, I assume you will be running JACK ?
[19:35] <paultag> AJH101: so the default will be set to JACK once you do that on the Studio partition, but when you go back to Ubuntu it will try and use JACK ( and it's not installed ) thusly breaking the Sound system
[19:35] <paultag> There are other concerns. If youwant to share /home, create two users AJH101
[19:35] <paultag> but even that is risky
[19:38] <duanedesign> or maybe a  /data partition to share information
[19:39] <paultag> +1 duanedesign, not a bad idea
[19:39] <paultag> duanedesign: then ln it to ~
[19:39] <paultag> duanedesign: I do the same with "/Media" and that has /Media/movies and /Media/music
[19:39] <SoSamono> hello every one
[19:40] <paultag> Hola
[19:40] <duanedesign> paultag: ahh, thats neat
[19:40] <SoSamono> can you help with something plx?
[19:40] <paultag> duanedesign: I like it. I keep 100 GB slices of my drive for different distros and I got tired of copying music around
[19:40] <paultag> SoSamono: don't ask to ask, just ask! :)
[19:42] <SoSamono> ok my problem is i want to put VLC player runing as defoult player on the cd-rom whem i put some media on at this moment i have Totem how can i xhange that in Ubunto?
[19:43] <paultag> SoSamono: sure can :)
[19:44] <paultag> SoSamono: There should be a menu item to change the default handlers
[19:44] <paultag> duanedesign: can you help? I am on my sister's box. No Ubuntu :(
[19:44] <duanedesign> paultag: yes
[19:45] <paultag> duanedesign: thank you <3
[19:45] <duanedesign> SoSamono: you can change the default app for filetypes
[19:45] <duanedesign> SoSamono: R-Click on one of your movies, for example, and select Properties
[19:46] <duanedesign> SoSamono: Select the 'Open With' Tab
[19:47] <duanedesign> SoSamono: select VLC. If you dont see it you might have to 'Add' it
[19:47] <duanedesign> then everytime you select that file type it will open with VLC
[19:48] <SoSamono> i sse
[19:48] <SoSamono> isse
[19:49] <SoSamono> thnks for that i was looking for some comand line to do that :P
[19:50] <paultag> duanedesign: thanks :)
[19:53] <duanedesign> np :)
[19:54] <AJH101> ?
[19:56] <AJH101> register solicitor
[19:57] <hobgoblin> I'd not do that
[20:26] <AJH101> paultag: any thoughts about sharing partitions, or should I post this on a forum?
[20:37] <paultag> AJH101: Humm? Sharing parts is fun & easy :)
[20:47] <phillw> AJH101: how do you want to share partitions ?
[20:53] <lstdio_> who here uses NViDIA ?
[20:53] <lstdio_> http://www.sucka.net/2010/03/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[20:54] <phillw> lstdio_: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377
[20:54] <phillw> lstdio_: get it from the people testing stuff :-D
[20:55] <ShadowKnight> hey, i had a question of how to set up ubuntu for netbook i wasnt quite sure how
[20:55] <lstdio_> phillw, how do you think I found out?
[20:55] <lstdio_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1446132
[20:55] <phillw> lstdio_: also #ubuntu+1 on IRC
[20:55] <lstdio_> I even left a comment...
[20:57] <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, install? or configure?
[20:57] <phillw> lstdio_: have you had a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1423210
[20:57] <ShadowKnight> lstdio_, install it completely new with a windows 7 starter base
[20:59] <phillw> lstdio_: threads from the likes of technoviking are allways worth following :-)
[21:04] <michae1> trying to get my box set up as a web test environment. went through the steps to get LAMP set up. anyone know where I can find straight forward directions on how to get the box to accept files when trying to upload to it?
[21:07] <ShadowKnight> anyone know how to set up ubuntu on a netbook? is it better to do the netbook remix or just regular ubuntu?
[21:08] <lstdio_> phillw, threads like mine are always worth following up too. ;)
[21:08] <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, in that case then, you'll need a pendrive, and the netbook iso image
[21:09] <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, you can make the pendrive bootable using http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[21:09] <lstdio_> which will extract the image onto it.
[21:10] <lstdio_> once complete, all you do is reboot + select the USB Hard Drive from BIOS boot setup.
[21:11] <lstdio_> you can also follow this documentation for creating a bootable pendrive. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:11] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay so in that i download the windows or linux version? and would it work if i put it in my external hard drive?
[21:11] <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, you are in windows, right?
[21:12] <lstdio_> you download the windows version ;)
[21:12] <lstdio_> It is a program
[21:12] <lstdio_> you run it.
[21:12] <ShadowKnight> lmao okay then just making sure. okay so i download that and the iso image?
[21:12] <lstdio_> yes
[21:12] <lstdio_> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook
[21:13] <lstdio_> ShadowKnight, ensure that you use a clean pendrive (ie: format it before using unetbootin on it)
[21:14] <phillw> lstdio_: There was no slight on your abilities, I apologise if you felt I was calling your knowledge & experience into doubt.
[21:14] <cliffhanger> Does any1 know if I can upgrade a 32bit version of ubuntu 2 64bit without doing a fresh install? (looking 4 a way so that I don't lose my programs)
[21:14] <ShadowKnight> okay thenthanks lstdio_ imma get on this right now.
[21:14] <lstdio_> phillw, no worries - I'm not usually named this nick anyway. =)
[21:16] <lstdio_> phillw, it does give insight though to see how new users are treated every once in a while =)
[21:17] <lstdio_> paultag, plymouth is absolutely useless...
[21:18] <paultag> lstdio_: tell me about it. Fails with nvidia drivers.
[21:18] <lstdio_> paultag, no it doesn't ;)
[21:18] <lstdio_> http://www.sucka.net/2010/03/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[21:18] <paultag> lstdio_: yes it does
[21:18] <paultag> lstdio_: it comes out with text and not images :(
[21:19] <lstdio_> see link :)
[21:19] <paultag> kk
[21:19] <lstdio_> apparently that is all it needs
[21:19] <phillw> lstdio_: you've been grassed on, i know who you are ;-)
[21:19] <lstdio_> haha
[21:19] <paultag> ty lstdio_ :)
[21:19] <lstdio_> /nick sdennie
[21:20] <lstdio_> speaking of which, I'll have to email him sometime.
[21:21] <lstdio_> phillw, next time I'll come in as n00b then :P
[21:21] <lstdio_> meh, if you look at my /whois stats, if it says telf, it's me
[21:22] <lstdio_> if it says telf and it isn't ... let me know, asap
[21:23]  * lstdio_ may want to meet them
[21:23] <phillw> lstdio_: I would hope to treat anyone politely
[21:23] <lstdio_> phillw, and what makes you think that I wasn't treated politely in your custody?
[21:33] <ZachK_> hey team
[21:36] <phillw> hi ZachK_
[21:36] <ZachK_> hey phillw
[22:09] <DiegoTc> hi danda48 need something?
[22:09] <danda48> I have a Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala machine
[22:10] <DiegoTc> yeap
[22:11] <danda48> when i took it to my dads, i hooked up the network connection and it didn't recognize the on board network connection
[22:12] <DiegoTc> what type of machine do you have?
[22:12] <danda48> amd 64x2
[22:12] <danda48> i just built it for him
[22:13] <danda48> do i have to add a network connection and manually put in his mac address and stuff?
[22:14] <nhandler> danda48: How are you connecting to the internet ;)
[22:14] <DiegoTc> danda48, I am leaving right now nhandleris going to give you a hand
[22:15] <nhandler> ethernet? wifi?
[22:16] <danda48> ethernet
[22:16] <nhandler> danda48: And did it work when connecting at your house ?
[22:17] <danda48> yes it did, i'm online with it now
[22:17] <danda48> its an M2N68- AM Plus Asus board
[22:18] <nhandler> danda48: Are you sure he has working internet at his place?
[22:19] <danda48> yes, he was borrowing a machine and when i put that one back online it was fine
[22:20] <danda48> should i delete the Auto eth0?
[22:20] <danda48> before i hook it up to his ethernet connection?
[22:23] <nhandler> danda48: It shouldn't matter.
[22:24] <nhandler> When you click on the networking applet when plugged into his ethernet, does anything show up?
[22:25] <danda48> no, nothing
[22:25] <danda48> like its not there
[22:27] <lstdio_> well, this is annoying :)
[22:29] <nhandler> danda48: Well, you should also be able to use ifconfig to set this up (http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/11/ifconfig-dissected-and-demystified.html). But I am a not sure why it would not show up in the applet
[22:30] <danda48> do i run ifconfig from the terminal?
[22:31] <nhandler> Yes
[22:31] <danda48> ok
[22:31] <danda48> thanks for your help
[22:32] <danda48> i'll study ifconfig and run it from his connection
[22:32] <danda48> thanks again
[23:35] <lstdio_> yay!
[23:35] <lstdio_> I fixed
[23:35] <nhandler> :)
[23:44] <lstdio_> my special bash configuration http://ufbt.pastebin.com/VERNVqw3
[23:44] <lstdio_> because I'm weird :)


 "I have a copy of a good boot..." <- link doesn't work
 "Any thoughts?" <- remove "quiet splash" options from the kernel line; add "nomodeset" option
[09:24] <lnxtx[m]> and try again
[16:03] <effendy[m]> Does anyone know anything about cloudinit changing its behaviour with the newer cloudimage? SSH server starts before the cloudinit settings are being applied/before the virtual machine is finally rebooted in order for cloudinit to really apply the settings. This has been happening since 20230602 (https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/jammy/20230602/)
[17:46] <sbeattie> blackboxsw: ^
[20:49] <blackboxsw> hrm effendy[m], we don't expect anything to have hit jammy from cloud-init's side this month that would have changed this. If possible can you file a bug including tarfile from `cloud-init collect-logs`describing the issue.
[20:58] <blackboxsw> ultimately  we'd care about seeing journalctl logs vs /var/log/cloud-init.log to compare timing of openssh vs cloud-init to triage behavior. ... and cloud-init collect-logs tars up these files for us
[20:59] <blackboxsw> effendy[m]: the fact that you mention before the machine is rebooted makes me think you are using a live server or live desktop installer image maybe?
[21:04] <blackboxsw> typically cloud-init settings provided under the `autoinstall:user_data`or `autoinstall:identity` keys in `#cloud-config` are only applied to the target system in live installer ISOs. Typically top-level cloud-config keys outside the `autoinstall` scope apply to the running (ephemeral/installer) environment before reboot.
[21:04] <blackboxsw> So if you have complex needs in early installer time prior to reboot, you may be providing both `autoinstall:indentity` config as well as `ssh_import_id` or something. seeing your user-data an d intent would help understand the problem you have.
[21:21] <effendy[m]> Hi blackboxsw . I'm using exactly the ova image in the installer which I import in vsphere. These are only servers. I'm not making any changes to autoinstall (I did use that before switching to ova templates).
[21:21] <effendy[m]> I meant to say, I'm using the ova images in the link above.
[21:22] <effendy[m]> The difference between 20230524 and  20230602 is very clear. In the first one, the virtual machine doesn't boot completely – I just see services loading and similar things. Then it restarts and it boots fully and the SSH server is also available.
[21:24] <effendy[m]> The cloud-init config file I'm using is quite simple and just ensures some authentication for Packer, which eventually connects to the VM over SSH to install stuff through ansible. So I wouldn't say there's anything complex going on in the early stages.
[21:27] <effendy[m]> And just to be clear again: the virtual machines reboots in both versions. What is being started is just different in this intermediary phase. I'm providing the cloud-init through vApp (vSphere), available only for ova templates (at least as far as I know).
[21:27] <effendy[m]> Then I guess I should fine a bug on launchpad (?)
[21:27] <effendy[m]> file*
[21:37] <blackboxsw> effendy[m]: if possible upstream cloud-init is in github so https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues
[21:39] <effendy[m]> Sure, I'll try to do it tomorrow. Thanks.
[21:41] <blackboxsw> effendy[m]: if possible please check cloud-init version in both 20230524 vs 20230602 images (I'll do the same my side in the meantime) we didn't publish any different version of cloud-init.during this timeframe so I'm expecting oit
[21:41] <blackboxsw> I'm expecting it is something different than cloud-init
[21:42] <effendy[m]> Yeah, I did check it, then I deleted the file where I wrote it :D (I'll check again), but it did seem to be the same version, indeed.
[21:42] <effendy[m]> I deleted the file with of the cloudinit version of the newer image, 'cause I only had that etc. :)


[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:01] <snadge> hello
[10:54] <bloody77> bonjour
[13:04] <mn128b> BQ & Meizu?
[16:38] <curiousonlooker> hello
[16:39] <curiousonlooker> Could somebody please give me a summary of what's going on?
[16:39] <PaulW2U> curiousonlooker: on ubuntuonair.com, nothing at present
[16:45] <curiousonlooker> Is there going to be a major update/announcement to Ubuntu Touch?
[16:46] <PaulW2U> if you're watching yesterday
[16:47] <PaulW2U> sorry if you're watching yesterday's video then yes there was an announcement about the ubuntu phone
[22:39] <TechToMars> hello guys


[04:40] <exit70> hi, just installed lubuntu eoan recently. wonder is there still a key combination for "half screen"? IIRC, in 18.04, Super + arrow key works.
[04:51] <krytarik> exit70: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59 - I'm reading this currently, you might as well.
[04:54] <exit70> looks relevant, thx!
[04:55] <krytarik> That is also to indicate that you could easily reimplement it for your own use.
[05:05] <exit70> if i am reading correctly, Super key cannot be used in openbox keybind any more?
[10:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! The super key bindings, if placed in openbox, interfere with those of lxqt. So no that cannot be used. But if you want tilling shortcuts you can set them like ctrl-alt-pgdn, etc. Just make sure you don't conflict with any of those in lxqt
[10:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> But that's a pretty dirty hack we had for tilling, i'd recommend a different window manager like kw instead of openbox.


[00:03] <jelmer> lifeless,jam: Any idea what could cause BTreeIndex.add_node() to become tediously slow after a while ? It's spending all its time in _spill_mem_keys_and_combine()
[00:05] <C-S> what does this error in launchpad mean: Unexpected form data.
[00:05] <C-S> It appears always, when i try to log in using firefox
[00:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: it means launchpad is broken - i see it too
[00:06] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: this is a mess, as it does not work since many weeks.
[00:06] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: so, I usually login using opera
[00:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: really? just now is the first time i've seen it
[00:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: i wonder ...
[00:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: it means launchpad requires cookies to log in
[00:08] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: But I don't have a cookie when I login for the first time.
[00:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: if i tell FF to allow cookies for launchpad.net i get 3, and can log in.
[00:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 for lp.net, and 1 for login.lp.net
[00:09] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: let me try this...
[00:11] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: does not work. I get the cookies but still the same error as before.
[00:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: hm guess you'll have to ask in #launchpad
[00:12] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks so far...
[00:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> C-S: i only deal with LP when bzr breaks, so i don't know much about it ;)
[00:13] <C-S> Kamping_Kaiser: don't worry, I don't use LP very often anyway.
[00:14] <lifeless> Kamping_Kaiser: you can file via email
[00:14] <lifeless> jelmer: it means you have a large index, and its spilling to disk to avoid thrashing; then it combines the disk indices when you finalise.
[00:14] <jelmer> lifeless: any idea why it slows down the process so much ?
[00:15] <lifeless> serialisation, gz compression
[00:15] <jelmer> It's at least a factor 1000 slower than initially
[00:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lifeless: i'll go and check the docs, i can never remember the format LP uses
[00:19] <jelmer> lifeless: ^
[00:20] <lifeless> jelmer: yes
[00:20] <lifeless> jelmer: there may be something odd going on, but writing the index is a big chunk of the effort involved
[00:21] <jelmer> lifeless: I hope there is..
[00:21] <jelmer> lifeless: At first I can process ~30 revisions per second, after that it's more like one revision every minute
[00:22] <jelmer> lifeless: it's not just one moment where it's flushing stuff to disk, it appears to be doing it continually
[00:22] <lifeless> jelmer: lsprof it
[00:22] <lifeless> I'd offer to look at it, but am flat out at the moment
[00:22] <lifeless> jelmer: it's meant to flush strips of increasing size
[00:22] <lifeless> and recombine them with expontential backoff
[00:23] <jelmer> lifeless: No worries, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[00:36]  * Kamping_Kaiser emails in his bug reports
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> jelmer: sorry about the dupe report on -rewrite
[01:05] <jelmer> Kamping_Kaiser: no worries - any chance you can mark them as such?
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> jelmer: sure.
[03:49] <shakaran> Hi, I trying to use bazaar on Windows and I get this error when dowload a branch: Authentication (publickey) failed.
[03:49] <shakaran> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to authenticate to SSH host as
[03:50] <shakaran> I run puttygen and pageant, but it dont work
[03:50] <shakaran> and the public key for launchpad says that it is invalid
[03:50] <shakaran> I generate my key with ssh-2 RSA
[03:50] <shakaran> some help?
[03:58] <shakaran> please, I'm stuck with this
[04:00] <shakaran> I made! The tutorial on lauchpad is very incomplete. You need put images. I only need copy the open-ssh key from text box.
[04:14] <shakaran> how I can have symlinks with bazaar on windows?
[05:48] <luke-jr> where does bzr-svn identify what it thinks is the first revision of a branch?
[07:51] <wbruce> Is there a command that can be used to find out what revision a revisionspec would point to?
[07:51] <wbruce> (kind of like rev-parse in git)
[08:01] <mwhudson> wbruce: 'bzr revision-info <revspec>' ?
[08:11] <wbruce> mwhudson: thanks!
[10:34] <lifeless> mwhudson: its the weeken man :P
[10:35] <mwhudson> lifeless: and so not the time to be digging in to bzr-hg bugs?
[11:10] <lifeless> mwhudson: :)
[12:16] <jelmer> luke-jr: it's the revision that created the path that is the root of the branch
[13:25] <keshav> Hai I am Keshav from India. i have a few questions about bzr, specifically grub2 related info
[13:27] <keshav> Any way to stop bzr from tracking the x-bit of files in a repo?
[14:01] <parthm> hello. do test names for plugin tests cases 'def test_xxx' have need to differ in the first N characters or something?
[14:01] <parthm> i find that some of my tests are silently skipped i.e. they don't show up in the count.
[14:01] <parthm> changing the name fixes that. but its difficult to know which tests are ignored without knowing the exact behavior.
[14:04] <luke-jr> jelmer: yes, I noticed that. I'm looking for where that is calculated/detected so I can fix it.
[14:05] <jelmer> luke-jr: What needs to be fixed about it?
[14:06] <luke-jr> jelmer: our project used projectname/{tags,branches,trunk} and projectname has undergone renames multiple times
[14:06] <luke-jr> bzr-svn persists in treating the last rename as the initial revision
[14:06] <luke-jr> currently the structure is projectname/{tags,branches,trunk}/subproject/
[14:07] <jelmer> luke-jr: in that case, was it really a rename ? Not just the revision where projectname/trunk/subproject was actually created?
[14:07] <luke-jr> but if 'subproject' were followed backward, it would eventually inherit from originalprojectname/trunk
[14:07] <luke-jr> jelmer: yes, it was renamed from 'armagetron' to 'armagetronad'
[14:08] <jelmer> luke-jr: so "svn log" on the same URL you check out with bzr-svn reports the full history?
[14:08] <luke-jr> bzr-svn works if I create armagetronad{/{tags,branches}} and svn cp each tag/branch/trunk individually
[14:08] <luke-jr> jelmer: yes
[14:08] <jelmer> luke-jr: I'm not sure I follow
[14:09] <luke-jr> actually, no :(
[14:09] <jelmer> luke-jr: the project is private?
[14:09] <luke-jr> jelmer: no
[14:09] <luke-jr> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk is the current trunk
[14:09] <luke-jr> https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad actually
[14:11] <luke-jr> if I 'svn log' in *that* checkout, it does successfully go back to svn r1
[14:18] <jelmer> and you're checking out https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad ?
[14:35] <luke-jr> jelmer: that's what the bzr branch would be based on, yes
[14:36] <luke-jr> and that's what 'svn log' shows the full history of as well
[14:36] <jelmer> luke-jr: see r4609
[14:37] <jelmer> luke-jr: in that revision the branch root is created from scratch
[14:38] <luke-jr> jelmer: but the branch itself is not
[14:39] <luke-jr> so the question is, where is bzr-svn making this (incorrect) assumption that it is the first revision? where do I need to modify the code? :P
[14:40] <jelmer> luke-jr: I'm looking at what bzr-svn is actually doing..
[14:40] <luke-jr> jelmer: where is it actually doing that? :)
[14:40] <jelmer> luke-jr: if this has to be modified it can't be merged into bzr-svn itself without a mapping change
[14:41] <luke-jr> I'm expecting a mapping change as a result of the earlier revisions being processed
[14:41] <luke-jr> shouldn't affect non-affected branches though afaik
[14:42] <jelmer> but it would collide with existing imports
[14:42] <luke-jr> for affected branches, yes
[14:43] <luke-jr> I'm expecting to need to write an old-branch upgrade script of some sort
[14:43] <luke-jr> (would be convenient if we can set some revprops on r1 that tell bzr-svn to use the bzr trunk's fileids when possible, tho)
[14:43] <jelmer> luke-jr: how do you mean?
[14:44] <luke-jr> I mean I understand that fileids are based on the initial revision where bzr-svn sees the file, so making older revisions available will by default change those...
[14:44] <jelmer> right
[14:44] <luke-jr> ideally, we might be able to set a bzr:fileids revprop on r1 or such to preserve the bzr trunk's fileids, but that's not neccessary
[14:44] <luke-jr> bbiab
[14:44] <jelmer> but that's part of a larger problem, all file ids and revision ids would/could change with a new mapping format
[14:47]  * luke-jr can't even try w/o knowing what part of the code handles that stuff
[14:51] <jelmer> it's mostly in revmeta.py
[15:16] <jelmer> luke-jr: Hmm, I actually get an error on that URL when running bzr log against it directly
[17:16] <luke-jr> jelmer: ok? :P
[17:54] <luke-jr> jelmer: RevisionMetadataBrowser.do never seems to run? :(
[17:55] <jelmer> luke-jr: depends on the situation in which you're running it..
[17:55] <luke-jr> branch?
[20:27] <lifeless> moin
[22:10] <poolie> hello all
[22:10] <Peng> Hi. :D
[23:27] <igc> morning
[23:31] <poolie> hi igc
[23:31] <poolie> how are you?