[16:08] <Rhos_> but it's giving me a articles with 4,000 lines of text about what it means, and I don't want to read all of it for a simple question
[16:08] <k1l_> Lucax: its ##linux
[16:08] <Rhos_> Which of the following man page sections will provide an example of how the command is executed?
[16:09] <k1l_> Rhos_: thats cheating. go and learn something or drop that homework.
[16:09] <Rhos_> Which of the following man page sections will provide an example of how the command is executed?
[16:10] <Rhos_> Meh
[16:10] <Rhos_> not enough time to learn it
[16:10] <echo-kilo-sierra> Rhos_: just try it out
[16:10] <ssalenik> RileyC: isn't IO scheduling done by the kernel? The kernel would have changed between ubuntu versions.
[16:11] <Lucax> Maybe I can ask here: I need to watch youtube but now it seems that with flash doesnt support firefox for linux, then I see that people suggest chromium, what should I do? try to fix the problem with firefox or go for chrome or chromium?
[16:11] <Rhos_> I am looking for the awnser
[16:11] <Zequal> How does a LiveDVD handle kernel modules (drivers) differently than a tradditional install?
[16:11] <RileyC> ssalenik: Yes that's what we think may have happened, but we can't be sure.
[16:11] <MoltenSlag> Rhos_ try using ctrl+f on the webpage if it's too long for you
[16:12] <RileyC> http://pastebin.com/spPpYa12  summary of our tests.  It's really strange.
[16:12] <l7en> hello
[16:12] <l7en> i want to learn linux plz
[16:12] <BluesKaj_> Lucax, my experience so far indicates chrome as the best choice... not my but at least it's version of flash works on most sites
[16:12] <BluesKaj_> not my fav
[16:13] <Lucax> regular chrome or chromium=
[16:13] <BluesKaj_> regular chrome
[16:13] <Lucax> ok, then regular chrome it is
[16:13] <Lucax> thanks
[16:13] <l7en> i want to program download in linux plz
[16:14] <ssalenik> RileyC: yeah, I mean, I don't know much about this stuff, I must meant that maybe you would have more luck asking on a channel related to the kernel or something, because its likely not purely related to Ubuntu... unless you don't have this issue on other distros running the same kernel
[16:14] <k1l_> Lucax: what linux are you on? that answer is dependend on the distribution of the packages
[16:15] <Lucax> I am on ubuntu 14.04
[16:15] <Lucax> unity
[16:16] <Rhos_> what is this mean
[16:16] <Rhos_> The syntax [-u|--utc|--universal] means:
[16:16] <lh_> my linux mint don't have the flash problem
[16:16] <k1l_> Lucax: google provides an ongoing support for flash with their pepperflash.
[16:16] <k1l_> lh_: mint is not the topic in here.
[16:17] <rberg_> Rhos_: that is a OR, it means you can pick one.
[16:17] <Lucax> and pepperflash is for firefox right?
[16:17] <Lucax> or for any browser?
[16:17] <k1l_> Lucax: and iirc that can be used in firefox, too.
[16:17] <BluesKaj_> it's for chromium
[16:17] <Chuck_Norris> Rhos_: universal time clock
[16:17] <lh_> but mint is ubuntu series
[16:17] <k1l_> lh_: no its not.
[16:18] <Lucax> what is IIRC (other than Internet slang)
[16:18] <k1l_> Lucax: if i recall correct
[16:18] <RileyC> ssalenik: Thanks!
[16:19] <Lucax> Ok I get it, you mean Pepper is for both firefox and chromium then
[16:19] <lh_> come on,linux mint can use ubuntu's repo
[16:20] <k1l_> Lucax: its from google chrome but iirc it can be used for firefox, too.
[16:20] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ after restart no sound
[16:20] <MoonLove> !!
[16:20] <Lucax> and you just download and install it from the software center and that's it?
[16:21] <Lucax> ready to go?
[16:21] <MoonLove> please help i have the chip envy24 , and I can me it sound :)
[16:21] <Chuck_Norris> Lucax: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9492325/
[16:21] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, make sure alsamixer volume ctrls are tuned to at least 80% and that the automute and mutes are diasabled, (MM) means muted
[16:22] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ it is all OK. the problem is I have dummy output shown in soundsettings
[16:24] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok so you hjave sound now ?
[16:25] <balazs> anyone experience with PCie USB3 cards ? do they "just work" ?
[16:25] <Lucax> thanks chuck norris, what is the PPA?
[16:25] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ no , i don't have sound !
[16:26] <Chuck_Norris> Lucax: https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8
[16:26] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ the controls are OK, but I don't have sound
[16:28] <nomadist> hi
[16:28] <nomadist> hi
[16:28] <nomadist> I just created a 14.04 vps to run a crawler ..
[16:28] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, change your output from dummy to analog if possible
[16:28] <nomadist> would need a little help
[16:28] <nomadist> when I do pwd I see /root
[16:29] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ it;s not possible
[16:29] <nomadist> no user directory (like home/) or the root directory like /var /lib etc
[16:29] <nomadist> where should I create a directory for running my script?
[16:29] <nomadist> in root?
[16:32] <hjdfdu> can i have gui bootscreen in 14.10?
[16:33] <southside> HDD fail last night so I slapped in a spare 250Gb and did a fresh 14.04 64bit Net install   - all good except chrome keeps segfaulting - reinstalled samre thing - pointed to an old version I had in /opt -still fails    see paste at http://paste.ubuntu.com/9552005/
[16:34] <southside> Any hints welcome...
[16:35] <MoonLove> no sound, please help !
[16:36] <southside> MoonLove: tell us more
[16:36] <fisa> hello everyone. I have a tricky question: is there a way to configure color depth for a display, without creating a xorg.conf? (like choosing the resolution in the settings)
[16:36] <ikonia> southside: where/how did you install chrome
[16:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> fisa, you can create a file under xorg.conf.d containing only the relevant section
[16:37] <MoonLove> southside in soun setting i have dummy output, i have the chip envy24
[16:37] <southside> ikonia: from a netbootin USBstick - I choose the 64bit Netinstall
[16:37] <ikonia> southside: that doesn't install chrome
[16:38] <ikonia> southside: where/how did you install chrome
[16:38] <MoonLove> my soundcard drivers are not loaded
[16:38] <southside> MoonLove: I had similar last week  - I had to reinstall last night and now sound is back - there is a fair bit that is googleable but nothing that worked for me
[16:38] <Lucax> could anyone assist me on the command chuck norris gave me? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9492325/
[16:38] <ikonia> Lucax: what is the problem with (please be aware of the risks of the software you are installing)
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:38] <MoonLove> i m on my first installation yesterday
[16:39] <fisa> Eduard_Munteanu: ok, I'll try that, some extra info/question to be sure: my main problem is that I routinely change between just the laptop display, laptop+extra screen, and laptop + projector. And to make everything worse: the laptop has nvida optimus. Will I need to create different config files for each setup and cycle between them?
[16:39] <tnkhanh> I am running the command "locate" lately
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> Lucax: whats up with it?
[16:39] <tnkhanh> it search so fast I feel like maaagic
[16:39] <southside> ikonia: sorry    I did downloded the 64-bit deb from Google
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: because you are searching a text file.....
[16:40] <ikonia> southside so they are who you need to log the bug again
[16:40] <fisa> tnkhanh: do you know grep? it will change your life :)
[16:40] <Lucax> actually not much but a few errors
[16:40] <tnkhanh> ActionParsnip: but the search in GUI is very VERY slow
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: the file doesnt live update though, so you need to run:  sudo updatedb    to get the present state of files on the system
[16:41] <southside> ikonia: I have a simlar problem with an old install on my /opt partition  - I did not reformat my /opt - it is a seperate LVM partition anyway
[16:41] <ikonia> southside right, so again google - bug report
[16:41] <Lucax> how to run as root?
[16:41] <southside> ikonia: OK thanks
[16:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> fisa, you could use xrandr to configure it at runtime
[16:42] <tnkhanh> ActionParsnip: fisa: I mean "locate" is astronomically faster than the search in GUI. I can't even imagine :o
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: I know, I use locate too, kicks ass
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: but if there are NEW files made and updatedb has not been ran after they were made, locate will not see them
[16:42] <fisa> Eduard_Munteanu: oh! didn't know xrandr, will explore that. Thanks!
[16:43] <southside> I have updatedb as a cron job every 4 hours
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> southside: nice :)
[16:43] <lh_> ls
[16:43] <fisa> tnkhanh: grep does text search incredibly fast, searching in the contents of the files
[16:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> fisa, that, or nvidia-settings if using the NVIDIA proprietary drivers.
[16:44] <lh_> quit
[16:44] <tnkhanh> fisa: wow amazing, must try :D
[16:44] <fisa> Eduard_Munteanu: I'm using bumblebee, which I believe installs something from nvidia, but I'm not sure. I don't know a lot about graphics configs, and optimus complicates everything an order of magnitude more
[16:45] <tnkhanh> ActionParsnip: my updatedb runs very fast too. Makes it even more amazing --'
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> tnkhanh: yeah SSDs or a fast RAID array does that :)
[16:46] <MoonLove> please help no sound !
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: I gave you a command !
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: I am waiting for your output.....
[16:47] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: why ask for help, then not reply to responses?
[16:48] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip   can u tell me again the command because i was in rebbot
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> [16:37] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:49] <Lucax> This is good! now with pepper I can run flash in firefox and I can go on with my life, thanks to Chuck Norris
[16:50] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip how can I copy the output its on a file
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: run the command as one big command in terminal
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: use cursors to select options and ENTER to select
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: you will get a URL after the command runs, what is it?
[16:51] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip   http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=13ad9b68ed67caa23a05904258cb7972170c3d48
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: pretty neat huh
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: does the system have a make and model, or is it a home build ?
[16:52] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip its on my home computer
[16:52] <EriC^^> MoonLove: hp dell ..?
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: as EriC^^ says....
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: we know its your computer but is it a Dell? or an HP? or...did you build it yourself?
[16:54] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip self build I believe
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: weird answer but..ok
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: try:    killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse* ~/.config/pulse*
[16:55] <joespeakeasy> I'm new to tar. I'm picked up a lot off the man page, but I've hit a hurdle. When I'm adding data to an archive… how would I define assign a prefix to the path within the archive?
[16:55] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip so a file do not exist
[16:55] <joespeakeasy> like if I add foo.txt, I want it to be archived in /this/that/foo.txt
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: one of them will. Now try some sounds
[16:57] <l0rdn1x> hey ActionParsnip, you like own launchpad with points ;)
[16:57] <Bobblin> http://dpaste.com/0Y5WZSG  http://dpaste.com/3FS3S0X trying to get my onoboard nic to cooperate not having any luck so far
[16:58] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip which sounds?
[16:58] <Bobblin> I have pretty much exhausted everything on google I have tried everything from grub flags to disabling ACPI To manually compiling the driver my self hell I even did a full format
[16:58] <BluesKaj_> ActionParsnip, I think the driver for his chip is the snd_ice1712 ..I have a similar m-audio card with ice1724
[17:00] <tnkhanh> MoonLove: try anything that plays sound and see what happens
[17:01] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip  tnkhanh  its not happen
[17:01] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip  tnkhanh  I have no sound
[17:03] <tnkhanh> MoonLove: do you see the sound icon on your desktop?
[17:04] <ahop> Hi! Can I log as root in ubuntu, to avoid doing sudo all the time?
[17:04] <MoonLove> tnkhanh yes but its shows when I open it dummy output
[17:04] <tnkhanh> ahop: sure. enter "sudo su"
[17:04] <EriC^^> ahop: if you must, use sudo -i
[17:05] <ahop> tnkhanh will I need to do this every time I connect with ssh
[17:05] <ahop> or only once ?
[17:05] <EriC^^> ahop: don't use sudo su
[17:05] <tnkhanh> EriC^^: shit I'm doing bad things all this time xD
[17:05] <Bobblin> its possible
[17:06]  * Bobblin is guilty of removing the password check on sudo
[17:06] <tnkhanh> MoonLove: can I get a screenshot
[17:06] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_envy24  .. any output ?
[17:06] <ahop> Example: no I always logged as root with SSH on my debian, and never had to "sudo"
[17:06] <ahop> Can I have the same with ubuntu ? ie log as root with SSH ?
[17:07] <EriC^^> tnkhanh: you're doing this around this time of the year too http://xkcd.com/838/
[17:07] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ udo modprobe snd_envy24
[17:07] <MoonLove> [sudo] password for compyuser:
[17:07] <MoonLove> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_envy24 not found.
[17:07] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_envy24
[17:08] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ sudo modprobe snd_envy24
[17:08] <MoonLove> [sudo] password for compyuser:
[17:08] <MoonLove> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_envy24 not found.
[17:08] <BluesKaj_> ok MoonLove
[17:08] <tnkhanh> EriC^^: omg I will be considered naughty
[17:09] <niel> anyone know how to modprobe a i3-2350M so I can manually change the frequency?
[17:09] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_ice1724  ... any output?
[17:09] <niel> on arch I could but not ubuntu
[17:10] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_   now, sudo mpdprobe snd_ice1724    no output
[17:11] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, that means the driver loaded ...try a reboot
[17:12] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ I tried reboot bu it remains the same : "NO SOUND "
[17:12] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, when did you reboot ?
[17:13] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_    after modprobe snd_ice17XX
[17:14] <ArchZombie> How do I enable old style menu bars?
[17:14] <ArchZombie> I want it to work without the unity plugin.
[17:14] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, snd_ice1724 is a different audio driver than 1712
[17:14] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_   ok I reboot it now again ...........
[17:14] <k1l_> ArchZombie: see unity-tweak-tool
[17:14] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: software center > accessories > classic start men
[17:14] <EriC^^> *menu
[17:15] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: do you mean the global menu?
[17:15] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: settings > appearance > behavior > menus
[17:17]  * Bobblin waits for someone to get to him ..
[17:18] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ again , no sound !!!
[17:19] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, have you tried changing the dummy output to analog
[17:19] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ its no option to do that
[17:19] <ArchZombie> EriC^^, This does not work. I want the old menu bar back.
[17:19] <EriC^^> ArchZombie: what do you mean by old menu bar back?
[17:19] <ArchZombie> Not a local menu, also k1l_ , same thing
[17:20] <ArchZombie> I mean I want it to work the way it's supposed to
[17:20] <ArchZombie> In a bar
[17:20] <ArchZombie> Not in the title bar.
[17:20] <ArchZombie> And not using the unity plugin.
[17:20] <ArchZombie> I want gtk-window-decorator to work.
[17:20] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, the install pavucontrol and it should give you more ouytput options
[17:20] <ArchZombie> I just want it fixed.  Gnome-panel is not a menu bar.
[17:27] <ArchZombie> Nor do I want cinnamon.
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-panel
[17:28] <k1l_> ArchZombie: you want the old gnome2 back, right?
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: again, user error
[17:28] <ArchZombie> ActionParsnip, you are not even understanding my question. Please cease responding as either you are a troll or noob.
[17:28] <mete_> Is there anybody who can help me sound problem in 14.04?
[17:29] <ArchZombie> gnome-panel has nothing to do with the menu bar.
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: yeah, noob https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActionParsnip
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: try again
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: gnome-panel will give a panel at the bottom of the desktop
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: or you can use tint2
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: or even lxpanel if you desire
[17:31] <salvatore> ciao
[17:31] <salvatore> !list
[17:31] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ ??
[17:32] <niel> ok so wonderful apparently ubuntu really doesnt want me to change my cpu frequency
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: not noob at all.
[17:32] <MoonLove> i have no sound with envy24(ice1712) can someone help me !
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> ArchZombie: are you missing the bars off the top of your application windows or do you want an easy way to launch applications?
[17:33] <k1l_> ActionParsnip: its done. lets calm down and focus on constructive support again
[17:33] <BluesKaj_> ok MoonLove let's try again with aplay -l  in the terminal ...pastebin th eout pout please
[17:33] <BluesKaj_> oops output
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: did the big command not help?
[17:33] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_  aplay -l
[17:33] <MoonLove> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[17:35] <OerHeks> envy24 > http://askubuntu.com/questions/514112/sound-disappears-in-ubuntu-14-04
[17:37] <MoonLove> OerHeks should I after reboot??
[17:38] <OerHeks> MoonLove, yes, i guess so.
[17:45] <MoonLove> OerHeks nothing happens (with my soun problem)
[17:45] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ no sound !
[17:46] <OerHeks> MoonLove, sorry to hear that :-(
[17:46] <BluesKaj_> OerHeks, his soundcard isn't even listed with aplay -l
[17:47] <MoonLove> OerHeks   A computer without sound is a flying object without the turbines :D)
[17:48] <OerHeks> BluesKaj_, oke, now i wonder if there is windows 8 on that machine, with fastboot enabled?
[17:48] <dts|pokeball> can someone explain why this isnt working? http://paste.ubuntu.com/9552648/
[17:48] <OerHeks> that envy speech dispatch trick worked before
[17:49] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, windows 8 installed with fastboot enabled?
[17:49] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ I have dual boot with windows 7
[17:49] <EriC^^> dts|pokeball: type it without the extra "/billbot" at the end
[17:50] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, cat /proc/asound/modules
[17:50] <dts|pokeball> but the exe i want it to run is billbot
[17:51] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ cat /proc/asound/modules
[17:51] <MoonLove>  1 snd_mpu401
[17:51] <zizou> alut
[17:52] <zizou> salut
[17:52] <zizou> ya des français
[17:52] <zebra111> !fr | zizou
[17:53] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo modprobe snd_mpu401 , reboot
[17:55] <solsTiCe> I just discovered that with pepperflashplugin-nonfree you have to manuallly run sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install each time there is a flash upcate. OMG hat a non friednly way of doing it. first, you need to know that flash has been updated, and second run the command, given that you know that need to run it. wtf ubuntu
[17:56] <EriC^^> solsTiCe: that would have to do with the maintainers
[17:56] <EriC^^> solsTiCe: i'm sure there's a better way though
[17:56] <joespeakeasy> I'm looking for a documentation for tar 1.15.1
[17:56] <joespeakeasy> can anyone point be in the right directoin
[17:56] <joespeakeasy> ?
[17:58] <xangua> solsTiCe: then just install Google chrome
[17:58] <zebra111> joespeakeasy try "man tar" (but it may not be v1.15.1)
[17:58] <solsTiCe> xangua: I don't want chrome
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> in cli?
[17:59] <zebra111> yeah
[17:59] <zebra111> terminal
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> okay… be right back
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> zebra… thanks
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> that's it
[17:59] <zebra111> no problem
[17:59] <joespeakeasy> clearly I'm new
[18:00] <OerHeks>  tar 1.15.1, that is an old verion, latest in Dapper Drake 2006, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=308216
[18:00] <assemblyx> is anyone here running WineHQ with adobe creative cloud by chance?
[18:00] <joespeakeasy> I know. I'm moving a client to a better host.
[18:01] <joespeakeasy> they are on a shared host now
[18:01] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ no sound again !
[18:04] <joespeakeasy> I've been using a current version of tar and using the —transform flag. but now I'm using 1.5.1, which is really outdated. Can anyone point me to docs that outline the same fn
[18:04] <joespeakeasy> prefix?
[18:08] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[18:12] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[18:12] <qwertz_> external hdd fails on attempt to partition (as well as on any other activity). here's the dmesg: http://pastebin.geany.org/M30ws/ what's wrong here?
[18:14] <zizou> fr
[18:15] <MadHatter42> i've got a shitty wireless connection , i can connect through my laptop but not on my phone
[18:15] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[18:15] <MadHatter42> i'm using ubuntu 12.04
[18:15] <fellipe> hi, How to set vga output to be default in ubuntu 12.04 server? Actually the default is HDMI output of video card
[18:16] <MadHatter42> can anyone guide to set up a virtual adapter as a repeater on my laptop so i can connect from my phonew
[18:16] <MadHatter42> ?
[18:17] <zebra111> moonlove what does lsmod | grep snd show?
[18:17] <squinty> MoonLove: aptitude search mudita24     long shot. :P  btw, if your audio card is slotted/desktop might want to try pulling and reseating it again
[18:18] <zebra111> moonlove when you play audio with, lets say rhythm box does it show an error or does it play with no sound?
[18:19] <squinty> MoonLove:   https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/mudita24/   for more details
[18:34] <wasta> hi to all
[18:34] <zebra111> !hello | wasta
[18:34] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> Hello all!
[18:34] <wasta> hello
[18:34] <alias_neo> Hey guys, anyone able to help with an issue connecting to a freeipa server from an Ubuntu 14.10 server install. I can connect fine from server 10.04 and desktop 14.04 but not server 14.10
[18:34] <alias_neo> by connect I mean I can't authenticate/login with a user
[18:36] <wasta> alguien habla español?
[18:36] <zebra111> !spanish | wasta
[18:36] <wasta> thx
[18:37] <RaMcHiP-Mobile> I have a problem that someone may be able to help with.  I have a Z87-plus mobo that I have 2 512 gig samsung 840 SSDs.  I want to do the SSDs in a raid so I set the SATA to RAID and then create a volume by pressing ctrl+i.  Linux see the volume and installs but I think I may have done LVM which is wrong.  What would be the proper procedure so that linux boots and resolves the RAID as a drive?
[18:37] <bastien__> tt
[18:40] <Quitta> Hi, I'm havng a issue with my laptops drivers, I never had problems before and had a driver (shown when I clicked on additional drivers) but since my last reboot my laptop's driver suddenly dissapeared. Also when I click on additional drivers, it doesn't show anything in the list.
[18:40] <Quitta> I'm a total nooby regarding drivers, I was hoping for someone's help :)
[18:41] <squinty> alias_neo:  #ubuntu-server  might be a good choice
[18:41] <zebra111> Quitta what driver was it?
[18:42] <Quitta> zebra111: I totally forgot, it had a weird name ATI or something even different
[18:42] <dts|pokeball> can someone suggest a good sandbox for me to use for running programs?
[18:42] <EriC^^> dts|pokeball: virtualbox maybe?
[18:42] <zebra111> How did you install it quitta?
[18:42] <xxtrinit1xx> just installed the light verisino
[18:42] <dts|pokeball> EriC^^, i was kind of hoping to run it locally
[18:43] <dts|pokeball> and not on another os
[18:43] <wasta> dts|pokeball or vmware
[18:43] <ahop> I installed a fresh 14.04 LTS
[18:43] <EriC^^> dts|pokeball: why?
[18:43] <Quitta> zebra111: ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3670 is the graphics for my laptop: http://www.linlap.com/dell_studio_xps_16
[18:43] <ahop> in which config file should I do the <VirtualHost :80> etc. ?
[18:43] <Quitta> to be honest I forgot how I installed it, it has been a year or so
[18:44] <dts|pokeball> EriC^^, cause its just for a simple eval bot
[18:44] <ahop> Should I do these things (<VirtualHost :80> ...)   in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf   or /etc/apache2/sites-enables/* ?
[18:44] <Quitta> I believe it installed itself when I opened 'Additional drivers' in the system settings
[18:45] <zebra111> Quitta try loading the driver again and see if it removes itsself when you reboot
[18:45] <Quitta> I'm really confused how it is suddenly removed from my system.
[18:45] <Quitta> How can I load a driver (a)
[18:45] <zebra111> How did you load it the first time quitta?
[18:46] <Quitta> Like I said, I believe I ust opened the 'Additional Drivers' application from the system settings panel.
[18:46] <Quitta> But I can be wrong, since it's been a year or so, and Im a total noob in this field :)
[18:46] <zebra111> quitta oh
[18:46] <zebra111> not sure
[18:48] <wasta> Quitta, maybe you upgrade your system?
[18:52] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[18:54] <Quitta> zebra111: Well I believe it all happened since I did a apt-get update yesterday evening (first in months)
[18:55] <Quitta> and it's output is the following: http://pastebin.com/pPM48jDR
[18:55] <Quitta> zebra111: I believe those are related to my driver, but I have no idea if it's the cause
[18:56] <YamakasY> any partman pro's in here ?
[18:57] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[18:58] <Quitta> techsuperfreak: any idea if the duplicate entries in my apt-get update could be a cause
[18:58] <oussama> I want to download a software to create a web page in html or php
[18:59] <techsuperfreak> Not sure, you can try removing both packages and reinstalling them
[19:00] <xxtrinit1xx> is there anyway that i could use metasploit anonymously
[19:01] <xxtrinit1xx> or will i always be vulnerable to a trace?
[19:01] <xxtrinit1xx> im on xubuntu right now aswell
[19:01] <SchrodingersScat> !ot
[19:03] <oussama> I want to download a software to create a web page in html or php
[19:03] <jhutchins> oussama: vi
[19:04] <Quitta> techsuperfreak: lspci -nn | grep VGA outputs: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV730/M96-XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670]
[19:04] <Quitta> Which is already a good sign, I guess
[19:04] <Quitta> but does that mean it's already installed?
[19:04] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, it appears so
[19:05] <Quitta> but nothing shows up in my 'Additional Drivers' and my laptop is having graphics problems :D
[19:05] <Quitta> Also it says Driver Unknown in Details->Graphics
[19:06] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, try removing the driver packages and reinstall them
[19:06] <Quitta> removing them is explained in 'Removing the proprietary fglrx driver'?
[19:06] <jhutchins> oussama: http://linuxreviews.org/webdesign/01a_A_Web_Design_Guide_For_Beginners-CMS_guide/
[19:06] <oussama> vi
[19:07] <Quitta> but I don't see any step for installing it again : techsuperfreak
[19:07] <shifuimam> anyone in here use ChrUbuntu on a chromebook?
[19:07] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, what are the package names?
[19:08] <Quitta> to be honest I don't know :$ I don't even know what package you refer too. I'm totally new to drivers and never had issues with it before
[19:08] <OerHeks> Quitta, ati 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx are no longer supported by the ati driver, use the standard one, see !ati
[19:08] <OerHeks> !ati
[19:09] <techsuperfreak> Quitta, what OerHeks said
[19:09] <rickabillie> is there an inhibit app or button that I can use on unity like I use on Gnome (power inhibit app)
[19:10] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, try this to see if your soundcard is even recognized, lspci | grep -i audio
[19:10] <jhutchins> rickabillie: What are you trying to do?
[19:11] <Quitta> OerHeks: how do I see which version of ATI is installed, to see if its no longer supported?
[19:11] <OerHeks> Quitta, you pasted: lspci -nn | grep VGA outputs: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV730/M96-XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670]
[19:11] <rickabillie> keep the computer from sleeping temporarily
[19:12] <Quitta> aha it refers to the 4670?
[19:14] <Quitta> OerHeks: Do you believe step: 'Installing from command line' in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD would do the trick? :)
[19:14] <rickabillie> jhutchins: keep my computer from sleeping, temporarily.
[19:16] <jhutchins> rickabillie: I believe it's in the settings menu under power management, but I don't have a unity box at hand right now.
[19:16] <jhutchins> rickabillie: Sometimes that's controlled by the BIOS.
[19:17] <YamakasY> guys no partman users with preseed ?
[19:17] <MDTech-us_MAN> hello
[19:18] <element> hey
[19:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> I forgot
[19:19] <MDTech-us_MAN> can you put pre-up on a dhcp interface?
[19:22] <proq> I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.10 server via a CD I burned.  when it tries to read the debconf file it sits for 10 minutes and then says it can't read it.  md5sum of the image does match what is on the ubuntu server.  I burned two CDs with ubuntu's cdrecord and I get the same problem each time.  how can I get around this?
[19:22] <proq> sorry.  14.10
[19:22] <proq> I get other errors if I use ubuntu disk creator to make a usb disk from the image.  it won't even boot from the USB stick
[19:23] <alexsander> sera a tutti
[19:23] <alexsander> !list
[19:23] <rickabillie> jhutchins: Yea, I know I can do that, I was hoping for a toggle that sits somewhere Where I cold toggle occasionally to keep from sleeping.
[19:25] <proq> nevermind, it is finally working
[19:26] <OerHeks> Quitta, ati 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx are no longer supported by the ati driver, use the standard one
[19:28] <pulpedwriter> Hi, I'm trying to make a live USB stick for 14.10 on a windows 8 box. I got the iso, ran the Universal Boot Installer, and when I go to restart, it just boots back to Windows. Checked boot order (USB first) and disabled quick start, now I'm lost as to what to try next
[19:29] <guts> I'm trying to stream Pandora to a device that does not support the native or HTML5 site and was trying to think of a way to pipe the stream to a local webpage or something basic for the device. I've heard of Pithos and Piano bar, but can't think of a way to get it on a webpage. Any ideas?
[19:31] <MDTech-us_MAN> can you put pre-up on a dhcp interface? in /etc/network/interfaces.d
[19:36] <jmadero> how can I find out my DNS server address?
[19:37] <jesus_> segura oyosa
[19:43] <savasa> 6697
[19:45] <proq> can someone point me to the best guide to installing a gnome desktop environment on ubuntu server 14.10?
[19:46] <Tobias[L]> proq: please ask this in #ubuntu-server. also why would one want this?
[19:47] <etzerd> hello all
[19:47] <etzerd> ?
[19:51] <proq> Tobias[L]: several obvious reasons
[19:52] <Quitta> techsuperfreak: Didn't you say that driver for 4xxx wasn't supported anymore? But http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=Legacy2&os=Linux%20x86_64 seems to be the result if I fill in my Graphics card in the amd website
[19:54] <proq> Tobias[L]: first reason being ubuntu desktop won't fit on my CD and I am out of DVDs
[19:55] <proq> Tobias[L]: second being I like gnome much better than unity
[19:56] <proq> and for some reason my hardware won't recognize my 16GB usb sticks and ubuntu desktop won't fit on my 1GB usb stick either
[19:56] <bubbasaures> proq, Ever do a net install mini?
[19:57] <proq> bubbasaures: no
[19:57] <bubbasaures> iso is 37mb
[19:57] <dasjoe> Doing a netinstall works very well
[19:57] <dasjoe> Also, if you start it using the expert mode it'll ask you about packages to install via tasksel, where you can select "GNOME desktop"
[19:59] <proq> in any case, gnome desktop is installing now
[19:59] <bubbasaures> proq, The gnome shell?
[19:59] <proq> no, the whole thing
[20:00] <bubbasaures> proq, The gnome shell is the gnome 3 desktop, yes it installs the base gnome 3 which underlies several desktops.
[20:00] <proq> if ubuntu-gnome-desktop is gnome 3 then yes
[20:01] <bubbasaures> proq, the ubuntu desktop is unity not the gnome 3 desktop
[20:01] <syntroPi> when mounting a webdav in nautilus on 14.04 the WHOLE system has micro freezes every two swconds!? what am i doing wrong?
[20:01] <dasjoe> bubbasaures: I showed him how to use tasksel to install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:01] <proq> bubbasaures: really?  that's just Evil
[20:04] <dasjoe> proq: no, not evil. ubuntu-gnome-desktop is a tasksel task, which installs various packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9553698/
[20:04] <syntroPi> quite often on 14.04 nautilus crashes all together when trying to mount ssh or davs remoute ressources. Is this a known bug and nautilus broken ?
[20:04] <proq> bubbasaures: so do I really want apt-get install gnome-shell?
[20:05] <bubbasaures> proq, Honestly you have made little sense and are just emotion charged and have no idea what your doing, not the best scenario. ;)
[20:05] <dasjoe> proq: no, I told you the precise command you need to get the full ubuntu gnome desktop environment :)
[20:06] <dasjoe> precise as in exact, not as in release name
[20:07] <proq> bubbasaures: really?  I've installed gnome over ubuntu server before
[20:07] <proq> bubbasaures: however, the last time I did it it wasn't unity masquerading as gnome
[20:08] <proq> bubbasaures: as far as emotion goes, you're pretty pompous if you think you can detect emotion over text chat
[20:08] <Rosie23>  High Quality photos and videos http://bit.do/my_videos69
[20:16] <hemlis> guys how much do you charge for installation of Ubuntu ?
[20:16] <hemlis> in USD ?
[20:17] <dasjoe> You can download it for free, it's also open source software
[20:17] <teward> hemlis: I think you're in the wrong channel.  Ubuntu as an OS is free, the ones who actually install it are your technicians or system manufacturers, they may charge a fee or have a variant with their drivers loaded
[20:17] <teward> hemlis: ubuntu on its own is free, no charge, you just have to do the installation yourself
[20:17] <teward> (we don't install it for you)
[20:17] <hemlis> teward: but if you would install it on my system, how much would you charge ?
[20:18] <OerHeks> hemlis, find a loco-team and they are happy to help for free, if you cannot find help here online.
[20:18] <imbezol> including travel costs?
[20:18] <teward> hemlis: I don't do installations for people.  That question and that discussion are offtopic here
[20:18] <teward> !offtopic | hemlis
[20:18] <hemlis> ok
[20:18] <hemlis> imbezol: no
[20:18] <teward> hemlis: i also only install for friends ;P
[20:18] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[20:18] <hemlis> teward: ok
[20:18] <Jordan_U> hemlis: If you bring your computer to a local Linux Users Group they will likely help you install Ubuntu on it for free.
[20:18] <teward> what Jordan_U said :)
[20:19] <hailwood> Hey guys, Running 14.10 here. Keyboard had a spaz a couple of days ago and so I closed the "Login Keyring Unlock" prompt several times. After restarting I can no longer manage networks, shutdown the system (from gui), or use any of the "unlock" buttons in system settings. Any idea how to fix?
[20:20] <hailwood> I tried creating a brand new user - they have the same issue.
[20:21] <hailwood> It sounds exactly like this error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1377727
[20:21] <marjinal1st> How can I disable my touchpad system wide in Ubuntu 14.04? I want it not to work even in the login screen. (Currently trying to disable with "xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0")
[20:23] <dasjoe> marjinal1st: blacklist its kernel module, if possible?
[20:23] <marjinal1st> dasjoe: How do I do that? Can you point me to some tutorial?
[20:24] <palecrow> d
[20:28] <YamakasY> which channel do I need for partman help ?
[20:31] <dasjoe> marjinal1st: well, I suggest looking at "lsmod" output, then find out which of the listed modules is your touchpad's driver. "modinfo module-name-here" helps
[20:31] <tonyt> can someone point me in the right direction. im on ubuntu 14.04 mate. im trying to install the nvidia driver. i need to drop down to a command prompt but when i do ctrl+alt+f1 all get to is a blank screen
[20:35] <Loshki> tonyt: what about the other screens? ctrl-alt-f2 thru f6. All blank?
[20:35] <squinty> tonyt:  nvidia drivers are available through the Additional Drivers  (Software and Updates)  recommended method is to install from there
[20:35] <tonyt> k ill try some of those other f keys
[20:36] <Loshki> also, what squinty said...
[20:38] <pakino> Ciao a tutti :)
[20:38] <pakino> !list
[20:45] <predmijat> hi, i'm trying to help a friend to play dvds on asus eee laptop, running 10.04. some dvds work, but some don't. every google query brings me to "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh" which gives an error about medibuntu. ideas?
[20:46] <Jordan_U> predmijat: Are there any commercial DVDs (holywood MPAA movies) that do work?
[20:46] <squinty> predmijat:  the medibuntu reposity is dead and no longer viable for accessing.
[20:47] <predmijat> Jordan_U, i'm not sure... squinty yes i know, that's why i ask :)
[20:48] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[20:50] <Jordan_U> predmijat: Desktop support for Ubuntu 10.04 has ended. Your friend (if for nothing else than security reasons) needs to upgrade to at least Ubuntu 12.04.
[20:51] <predmijat> Jordan_U, fair enough
[20:51] <Guest85345> I seem to remember that there was a way to test the full Unity-Next environment using LXC or something like that
[20:51] <Guest85345> Anyone know of anything like that?
[20:52] <Jordan_U> predmijat: Note that they can upgrade directly from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 as both are LTS releases.
[20:52] <Guest85345> Ahah, found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[20:52] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | predmijat
[20:52] <Ntemis> hey guys
[20:52] <predmijat> Jordan_U, thanks!
[20:52] <Ntemis> i need some help with java
[20:52] <Jordan_U> predmijat: You're welcome :)
[20:52] <Ntemis> issuing a  sudo update-alternatives --config java
[20:53] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[20:53] <Ntemis> and selecting /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[20:53] <Ntemis> but still build fails with
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest85345: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/unity-8-desktop-preview-session-14-04
[20:53] <Ntemis> Your version is: javac 1.8.0_25.
[20:53] <Ntemis> The correct version is: 1.6 or 1.7.
[20:53] <Ntemis> any help?
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> Ntemis: webupd8 has a PPA for Oracle Java
[20:54] <Ntemis> yes thats the one i have and i dont want it to be selected
[20:54] <Ntemis> trying to build android fails
[20:55] <Ntemis> ActionParsnip: /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java
[20:55] <Ntemis> vs
[20:55] <Ntemis> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[20:55] <Ntemis> any help
[20:56] <Ntemis> You are attempting to build with an unsupported version of java.
[20:56] <Ntemis> really?
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> Ntemis: http://askubuntu.com/questions/315646/update-java-alternatives-vs-update-alternatives-config-java
[20:58] <mikhail_> hello
[20:59] <ara_> so i gave up trying to get cdemu-tray to work on trusty, is there a way to make gcdemu to automount isos on startup?
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> ara_: do you want to boot the ISO from Grub?
[21:00] <EriC^^> ara_: does it need suo?
[21:00] <EriC^^> *sudo
[21:00] <ActionParsnip> ara_: mounty can mount ISOs
[21:00] <Ntemis> ActionParsnip: same issue
[21:00] <mikhail_> i've got a question to make
[21:02] <ara_> ActionParsnip, EriC^^ , gcdemu has no option to automount, cdemu-tray has, but i can't get it to see cdemu-daemon for some reason. couldn't even install latest package of -tray, trusty doesn't like them, only the first version got installed, building it from source proved not easy either.
[21:02] <casestudy> hello guys
[21:03] <Ntemis> looks like oracle-java8-set-default package is the one that is causing me issues
[21:03] <mikhail_> does anyone know why qbittorrent doesn't work properly on ubuntu?
[21:05] <ara_> ActionParsnip, EriC^^ for ex, which is config file for cdemu-daemon? Google don't give any answer either.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> ara_: have you tried mounty?
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> ara_: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:16] <ara_> ActionParsnip, trying to install it now, but it doesn't exist on omgubuntu for trusty
[21:16] <ara_> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> ara_: what does omgubuntu have to do with it?
[21:16] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[21:18] <navad> hi, i had a quick question. I've got a svn repo installed on a amazon micro instance running ubuntu. i've generated a ppk (putty key) from the pem key that i got from amazon. I can connect and check out fine using svn+ssh://ubuntu@amazoninfo
[21:19] <navad> i created username and password in svn conf but from what i understand i can only ssh into the amazon instance with the ubuntu account
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> ara_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountIso
[21:19] <navad> what must i do so i can have another user have svn+ssh access to the server and repo?
[21:21] <Jordan_U> ara_: What is your end goal?
[21:22] <ara_> Jordan_U, i want to mount 2 iso's and they should get the same device id each time, so wine can map them to the same fake windows drive
[21:23] <ara_> some windows games search for the cd drive letter on which they were installed on
[21:24] <dlam> hmm how do i make Alt+backspace delete the previous word like Ctrl+W on desktop apps?
[21:25] <ara_> s/on/from/
[21:26] <Jordan_U> ara_: If you're really talking just about mounting the iso (rather than having it emulate a physical CD), then just mounting via fstab should get you the contents reliably mounted to the same directory, then you can configure wine to treat those directories as specific virtual drive letters.
[21:26] <ara_> guess i'll just use fstab
[21:27] <ara_> Jordan_U, yeah, i wanted to do it with a gui
[21:28] <peppermint> hi to all
[21:28] <peppermint> im.. new here
[21:30] <navad> any tips? i suppose i create a ubuntu user, then i put the public key i generated in .ssh? then a matching user in svn conf?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> navad: sounds like it's worth a punt. Just backup any files before you make changes
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> ara_: or, just use the mount commaand, or do you always want the iso mounted each boot?
[21:36] <joespeakeasy> if I have a 5.4 gb .tar, is there any other way to compress it further?
[21:36] <pepe> hi
[21:37] <navad> ActionParsnip: i'm still confused. if i create a new user in ubuntu then connecting to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should work?
[21:37] <pepe> yes
[21:37] <joespeakeasy> tar.gz?
[21:37] <ara_> ActionParsnip, that would be the idea, automount them, so i don't have to do it manually everytime.
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> joespeakeasy: yes, tar is not compressed at all
[21:38] <rberg_> joespeakeasy: yeah you have many options for a compressor, the common ones starting from best compression, xz, bz2, gz
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> navad: yes
[21:38] <joespeakeasy> okay great thanks.
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> cat filename.tar | gzip -9 > output.tar.gz ;-)
[21:45] <Griz64> Hey Gang. I just updated/upgraded a laptop to the current LTS and now I'm unable to get the wifi to connect (yes, it's seen and will scan) nor will any GUI start from gdm. At this moment i am unable to plug directly into the router so is there any way to get a connection?
[21:48] <Griz64> "Failed to add/activate connection  (32) Insufficient privileges."
[21:51] <RB2> Hey guys, I just updated the kernel on Ubuntu 14.10 and I'm seeing
[21:51] <RB2> [450533.640533] Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: af30e7f37b41301c96f985f4789da5f4373e9e92' err -11
[21:51] <RB2> [450533.640575] libcrc32c: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel
[21:56] <navad> ActionParsnip: didn't work, server refused key
[21:58] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24(ice1712)
[21:59] <Jordan_U> MoonLove: Try giving more details about the exact problem you're having.
[22:00] <jhutchins> MoonLove: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[22:00] <mlindner> When is ubuntu getting gcc 4.9??
[22:00] <jhutchins> MoonLove: Did you run through the alsa checklist?  I know someone showed it to you.
[22:01] <MoonLove> Jordan_ U  please help no sound with envy24(ice1712), settings show dummy output
[22:01] <jhutchins> MoonLove: 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again)  2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available)  3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?  4) speakers on?  5)
[22:01] <jhutchins>              does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?  6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist.
[22:02] <jhutchins> MoonLove: Did aplay -l show any devices?
[22:02] <MoonLove> jhutchins no it dont play any wav
[22:02] <jhutchins> MoonLove: does lspci -nn identify the sound device correctly?
[22:03] <MoonLove> jhutchins aplay -l display no devices
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> !info gcc utopic
[22:04] <MoonLove> jhutchins    Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller [1412:1724] (rev 01)
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> !info gcc vivid
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> mlindner: its in vivid (Ubuntu 15.04 which is prerelease)
[22:04] <jhutchins> MoonLove: I believe that means it has the correct driver loaded.
[22:04] <mlindner> ActionParsnip: what about 14.04
[22:05] <mlindner> ActionParsnip: its LTS right? so it should get it eventually?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> mlindner: if you report a bug and the bug amd security fixes are significant then it will be updated
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> mlindner: if it is deemed necessary, yes
[22:06] <jhutchins> MoonLove: Does lsmod show snd-ice1724 loaded?
[22:06] <MoonLove> jhutchins  lspci -nn displays the driver?
[22:06] <jhutchins> MoonLove: No, the fact that it displays the correct description usually means it knows what to load and has loaded it.
[22:07] <jhutchins> MoonLove: dmesg | less, search for where it tries to load it.
[22:07] <MoonLove> jhutchins   lsmod  shows   Module                  Size  Used by
[22:07] <MoonLove> joydev                 17101  0
[22:07] <MoonLove> hid_logitech           22181  0
[22:07] <MoonLove> ff_memless             13325  1 hid_logitech
[22:07] <MoonLove> hid_logitech_dj        18165  0
[22:07] <MoonLove> hid_generic            12492  0
[22:07] <unopaste> MoonLove you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:08] <jhutchins> !paste
[22:08] <jhutchins> MoonLove: The point is for YOU to look through the list and see if snd-ice1724 is loaded.
[22:08] <kleiber> hello all
[22:08] <Griz64> Hey Gang. I just updated/upgraded a laptop to the current LTS and now I'm unable to get the wifi to connect (yes, it's seen and will scan) nor will any GUI start from gdm. At this moment i am unable to plug directly into the router so is there any way to get a connection?
[22:08] <Griz64> "Failed to add/activate connection  (32) Insufficient privileges."
[22:09] <ikonia> Griz64: how did you upgrade ?
[22:09] <Xsn00py> hi, i'm having problems with low resolution on intel optiplex 755. I've installed the intel drivers, used xconf, used xrandr, etc, but still nothing. Any ideas???
[22:09] <kleiber> Dear friends, that Ubuntu can install good. Ubuntu 14.04 LTS or Ubuntu 14.10
[22:09] <ikonia> kleiber: look at the difference and see which one fits your needs best
[22:10] <MoonLove> jhutchins lon list i do not see it its difficult to find it
[22:10] <Griz64> ikonia, yes.
[22:10] <Griz64> to the lastest LTS
[22:10] <ikonia> Griz64: how did you upgrade, the answer is not "yes"
[22:10] <k1l_> kleiber: do you want to /can upgrade ubuntu all 6 months?
[22:11] <Griz64> ikonia, apologies. misread. via the upgrade the system offered. from within the o/S.
[22:11] <kleiber> where I can see the differences of both
[22:11] <MoonLove> jhutchins very long list i do not see it its difficult to find it
[22:11] <ikonia> Griz64: from what version ?
[22:11] <kleiber> 14.04 LTS or 14.10
 kleiber: do you want to /can upgrade ubuntu all 6 months?
[22:12] <kleiber> with 14.10 kll
[22:12] <Griz64> ikonia, to the latest LTS as far as i know)
[22:13] <k1l_> kleiber: if you install 14.10 you have to upgrade all 6 months.
[22:13] <ikonia> Griz64: I'm going to stop now, as you appear to not be reading my questions and responding with different answer
[22:13] <MoonLove> jhutchins i have dummy output
[22:13] <kleiber> I found on a website. that said that LTS had support for up to five years, whereas the 1410 only 6 months
[22:13] <Xsn00py> Can any one help with graphics problem on 14.04??? Low resolution issues
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: what gpu?
[22:13] <k1l_> kleiber: if you install 14.04 you have 5 years support. so you can wait untill 16.04 and then upgrade 14.04 to 16.04. so if you got wth 14.10 you need to upgrade all 6 months untill 16.04
[22:14] <Xsn00py> intel optiplex 755
[22:14] <Jordan_U> k1l_: s/all 6 months/every 6 months/ :)
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: if you run: lspci | grep -i vga , what is output?
[22:14] <k1l_> Jordan_U: yes :)
[22:14] <kleiber> okey kll
[22:14] <Griz64> ikonia, i apologize again. it's a mad scramble here trying to get this laptop running. my mother has been diagnosed with cancer and is getting ready to board a plane for the Cancer Treatment Center and all hell is breaking loose. I'll come back later when life has slowed down. i can always mail this to her.
[22:14] <kleiber> then install major 14.04 LTS
[22:15] <kleiber> is for one PC new
[22:15] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Intel Corp 82Q35 (rev 02)
[22:15] <kleiber> with 64 bits or 32 bits
[22:15] <kleiber> kll
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: there is an Intel driver installer. OmgUbuntu has a guide
[22:16] <k1l_> kleiber: when your hardware got 64bits (which 99% of new hardware does) there is no reason for not going 64bit
[22:16] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I've installed that but it doesn't improve anything
[22:16] <nbougach> Hi
[22:16] <nbougach> how can I have -rw-r--r-- mode with chmod?
[22:16] <kleiber> ok kll
[22:17] <Jordan_U> !permissions | nbougach
[22:17] <kleiber> thx kll
[22:17] <mbalmer> chmod 644 ?
[22:17] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: still stuck on 1920x1080
[22:17] <DarkMat> nbougach, chmod 644
[22:17] <nbougach> tx
[22:17] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I need 1920x1200, used xrandr but the monitors EDID doesn't accept it
[22:18] <kleiber> kll
[22:18] <kleiber> then install next Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64 bits, true
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: you dont need it, you would like it...
[22:18] <k1l_> kleiber: yep
[22:18] <kleiber> thx very much great friend
[22:18] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Please explain?
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: there's a difference
[22:19] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: ?
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: if you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
[22:19] <MoonLove> please help no soun with envy24(ice1724)
[22:19] <Jordan_U> Xsn00py: What makes you think that your monitor supports a resolution of 1920x1200?
[22:19] <MoonLove> cplease help no sound with envy24(ice1724)
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: need = imperative,essential  would like=nice to have,preferred
[22:20] <YamakasY> when I did a tar -pcvzf xxx.tar.gz /opt/foo and I want to untar it in /opt/foo will it do that or do I need to be in the /opt ?
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: what monitor do you have?
[22:20] <welovfree_> How can I install terminal commands (for example the tree command) offline, can I do that?
[22:20] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: would like and prefer not to have a black border
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: you will need the deb and its deps
[22:20] <Jordan_U> !offline | welovfree_
[22:20] <k1l_> MoonLove: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2213743
[22:21] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: HP 2159v
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: yes but its not essential. Its a nice to have. You can see the display and use the system.....
[22:21] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: it works perfectly with my thinkpad - pushes out to 1920x1200
[22:21] <welovfree_> ubottu: acctually I don't have an internet connection
[22:21] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I like your reasoning
[22:22] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: acctually I don't have an internet connection
[22:22] <MoonLove> kil_ nothing
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: the Xorg.0.log will tell you what is going on. Your screen does do the resolution you stated. is this a new install?
[22:22] <k1l_> MoonLove: did you read the whole thread?
[22:23] <k1l_> MoonLove: it is marked as solved. so there is a solution inside
[22:23] <yuriy_> Hey guys, I have a problem with sound on my monitor connected thru HDMI. I described the issue here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254042 but no one seems to know
[22:23] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Yes it is
[22:23] <MoonLove> kil_ yes i dont find something important foe me
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> Xsn00py: you could try the Xorg edgers PPA, see if it helps
[22:23] <jhutchins> MoonLove: You never said if the module was loaded.
[22:23] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: I'll have a look at that. thanks
[22:23] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Ubottu's suggestion is for when you don't have an internet connection on the machine you want to install software to, but you do have an internet connection on another (preferably linux based) machine. Is that not the case for you?
[22:24] <k1l_> MoonLove: you read the 4 sites? if you really want to solve your soundcard issue which seems typical for that soundcard, then you would have read carefully
[22:24] <MoonLove> i try
[22:24] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: the log file is stating 'No layout section, no screen section, no monitor specified....'
[22:24] <jhutchins> k1l_: Not a native english speaker.
[22:25] <k1l_> ok
[22:25] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: yeah it's my case but the suggestion is not clear for me can you help
[22:26] <jhutchins> welovfree_: Try doing what the ubottu factoid suggested.
[22:26] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Sure. Are you familiar with Synaptic package manager? Do you have it installed on the OS that doesn't have an internet connection?
[22:27] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: I am new to the ubuntu world :(
[22:27] <Xsn00py> ActionParsnip: Thanks for your help.
[22:28] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: What version of Ubuntu is installed on the offline machine? Why can't you connect it to the internet?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: if you run: sudo apt-get update , do you see any errors?
[22:30] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: ubuntu 14.10 as virtual machine in vmware under windows 7
[22:31] <welovfree_> ActionParsnip: yeah but I don't remember
[22:31] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Why can't you connect it to the internet?
[22:33] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: I can't right now
[22:34] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: Yes, but *why*?
[22:35] <MoonLove> kil_ no solution i only can run alsamixer and select my card, nothing more
[22:36] <welovfree_> Jordan_U: myabe a router problem, the isp of mine told me they will send me help
[22:37] <titanic> can anybody help me
[22:37] <dougiel> titanic, ?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: check the ethernet canle is correctly connected.
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> titanic: with what?
[22:38] <titanic>  help me out with invite channel too get a code to an website
[22:38] <MoonLove> please help no sound with envy24 (snd_ice1724)
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> titanic: you just need to register and identify
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> MoonLove: I suggest you report a bug
[22:39] <titanic> how do I go about that
[22:39] <welovfree_> ActionParsnip: I am not home right now I don't have access to the computer right now, I am using my friends computer to get the package that's why I asked here if I can download it offline, then go and install it in my unbuntu?
[22:39] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: What package are you trying to install?
[22:40] <MoonLove> ActionParsnip>  now i can run alsamixer and select a card
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: you can but you will need all its deps. If you dont have the other packages it needs, and at the right version leel the n it wont install
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: debs arent like apks in Android
[22:40] <titanic> anybody??
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> !register | titanic
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> titanic: try a little patience....jesus!
[22:41] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: what? debs
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> welovfree_: the debs are used to install applications in Ubuntu
[22:43] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: so I can find package then install them?
[22:44] <Jordan_U> welovfree_: What package are you trying to install?
[22:45] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: tree
[22:48] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: You are lucky, that only has one dependency, libc6, which you already have.
[22:49] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: so?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: So you can download the .deb file from http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/tree , copy it to your offline machine, then double click the .deb file to install it.
[22:51] <blizzow> where can I see what flags a package was configured with?
[22:51] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: wow, I don't have to use the terminal? :)
[22:52] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: Correct :)
[22:53] <Jordan_U> blizzow: Grab the source pacakge. "apt-get source packagename" (run as your user, *not* with sudo) will download the source package into the current directory. You can then look at the debian/rules file to see how the package was built.
[22:54] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: and what about other packages having more than one dependency?
[22:55] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: Then you get to have fun grabbing their dependencies, and the dependencies of their dependencies. This is where you really want to first use the offline machine to determine exactly what list of packages you need.
[22:56] <mojtaba> Hi, I want to buy a new laptop and install ubuntu on it. Do you have any suggestion for me?
[22:56] <bekks> Suggestions on what?
[22:57] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: and double click on them all? the dependencies required are the ones reterned in the terminal error when trying to install the package offline using apt-get install?
[22:57] <mojtaba> bekks: On what model?
[22:57] <jarnos> How can you use an old Launchpad account to log in to Launchpad? It only onffers Ubuntu One account login..
[22:58] <Jordan_U> jarnos: Just use your launchpad credentials.
[22:59] <freeroute> hi, hi, is this PPA trustworthy? - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:00] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: You can buy laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed from https://system76.com/ and http://zareason.com/shop/home.php among others.
[23:00] <mojtaba> Jordan_U: Thanks. I will check them
[23:01] <Jordan_U> mojtaba: You're welcome.
[23:01] <jarnos> Jordan_U, thanks. Can you migrate old launchpad account to ubuntu one account?
[23:02] <Jordan_U> jarnos: As far as I know that's already been done automatically, which is why you are able to log in using the same credentials.
[23:03] <jarnos> Jordan_U, in my case, if I login by Ubuntu One account, it does not show my old "related bugs".
[23:03] <welovfree__> Jordan_U: thank you very much for you time really appreciate your help thank you, you guy on #ubuntu are the best :)
[23:04] <Jordan_U> welovfree__: You're welcome :)
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: its a PPA and has the same caveats as any other PPA
[23:14] <freeroute> ActionParsnip: but some PPAs are more trusted than others, right? If it's an (official) PPA by the LibreOffice team then I'd be more inclined to add that PPA.
[23:14]  * Chuck_Norris wonders how is ActionParsnip's netbooks doing ? -.-
[23:14] <Chuck_Norris> freeroute: that ppa is the official
[23:14] <freeroute> oh, excellent.
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: I start a PPA and  could put "official" on it. It doesn't mean anything
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: I'm on a Samsung Tab2 7
[23:16] <freeroute> well yeah but then someone would ask the LibreOffice team and they'll of course decline any involvement. Then Fox news will get called, the PPA maintainer's house will get surrounded by police and PPA maintainer will be forced to surrender.
[23:17] <navad> so i got the putty to work, but can't get svn. tortoise isn't connecting to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:17] <navad> any thoughts what i can look for?
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: exactly. A PPA is a PPA so the packages cannot be fully verified to the extent the official packages can
[23:18] <navad> i believe the subversion config is setup proper as "ssh = TortoisePlink.exe -i C:\Users\user\Desktop\PrivKey.ppk
[23:18] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: doh! i rememeber you using a netbook a loooong time ago xD (like a year or two)
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: I had a Del Latitude D420, my girlfriend has it now
[23:18] <Demon_Jester> hey guys, i am trying to write shell script that compares two files that contain letters and numbers (example 5D9E3G) but I get integer expression expected is there a way I can compare both alpha numeric with throwing that error/
[23:18] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: cool :)
[23:19] <Demon_Jester> without throwing*
[23:19] <freeroute> ActionParsnip: this is why LibreOffice should add a link to LaunchPad on this link - http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
[23:19] <Chuck_Norris> navad: there is a software for windows that gives some posix compability
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: maybe you are thinking of the Del...?
[23:19] <Chuck_Norris> navad: maybe with that sofwate you can get svn, but i don't remember its name,
[23:20] <welovfree__> a program in in beta means that it's in test, right?
[23:20] <navad> i'm using tortoise SVN
[23:20] <k1l_> welovfree__: yes
[23:21] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: i didn't remember but, yeah, it was a netbook
[23:21] <welovfree__> k1l_: so it's not recommended for an installation?
[23:21] <xangua> freeroute: a PPA is a PPA, doesn't matter if Mark himself maintains it
[23:21] <k1l_> welovfree__: depends on the exact program. sometimes its usable already
[23:21] <welovfree__> k1l_: ok
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: its a think notebook with removable optical drive. Its dying but she keeps it alive with some form of voodoo. I'd have snapped it over my knee ages ago and got new
[23:22] <Chuck_Norris> navad: and... i forgot that you may want to go and ask in ##windows  it is offtopic here
[23:22] <navad> my server is ubuntu, that's why i tried here first
[23:22] <navad> thanks tho
[23:23] <freeroute> xangua: so all of Ubuntu's official PPAs have to be handled the same way as unofficial ones?
[23:23] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: lo/
[23:23] <welovfree__> how can I install tar.bz2 in ubuntu?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> navad: why use putty as client, you can ssh from terminal and test keys
[23:23] <Chuck_Norris> navad: but if you are running ubuntu why you use tortoise ?
[23:23] <k1l_> welovfree__: what program?
[23:23] <AnotherAnon> udev will not start because devtmpfs is not enabeled in my arm kernel
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: what is in the file? You cant possinly expect an intelligemt reply to that
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: "how do you install .zip in windows"
[23:24] <navad> ActionParsnip: actually TortoisePlink is the client. I tested with putty and it worked. Chuck_Norris: svn is running in ubuntu, i'm running tortoise on a windows box trying to connect to the svn server
[23:24] <welovfree__> k1l_: Sublime Text 2.0.2.tar.bz2
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> navad: does it have a verbose option to show it connecting
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: there is an easier way to install that
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[23:25] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: extract them and find the setup.exe
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: but all I see are images....no setup.exe
[23:26] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: I am a absolute begnnier in the world of linux
[23:26] <k1l_> welovfree__: setup.exe? isnt there a linux version?
[23:26] <k1l_> !info sublime
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> k1l_: I was showing how futile just knowing the extension of a file is
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: my file has no setup.exe, just seeing some images. How do I install this?"
[23:27] <k1l_> welovfree__: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2-3
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: just knowing the file extension tells you absolutely nothing about the file, especially in archives, in ANY OS.
[23:28] <k1l_> welovfree__: as a beginner its easier to use a PPA IF the program is not already in the official ubuntu repos
[23:28] <AnotherAnon> will compiling a new kernel now with devtmps fix the problem ?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: a .zip file etc is just a collection of files in an archive, nothing more
[23:28] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: yeah I know that
[23:29] <Guest4502> In apparmor.d, how do I allow executing a specific file and killing the process later?
[23:29] <zubterraneo> hola!!
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: if you knw, why was your question "how do I install .tar.bz2"?
[23:29] <Chuck_Norris> there is a ppa for sublime-text -.- (from webupd8)
[23:30] <RB2> Hey guys, I just updated the kernel on Ubuntu 14.10 and I'm seeing
[23:30] <RB2> [450533.640533] Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: af30e7f37b41301c96f985f4789da5f4373e9e92' err -11
[23:30] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: I meant what's inside actually :)
[23:30] <RB2> [450533.640575] libcrc32c: module verification failed: signature and/or  required key missing - tainting kernel
[23:30] <RB2> is that normal?
[23:30] <Chuck_Norris> welovfree__: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2 ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install sublime-text
[23:30] <Ben64> welovfree__: the point is what is inside is not necessarily installable
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: we cannot know the content of every archive you can find online....
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: if you use the command Chuck_Norris gave, it will install the application.  It will also update it when the PPA is updated :-)
[23:31] <Chuck_Norris> even though i heard "Brackets" (from Adobe) is better -.-
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: [ and ] are brackets :-)
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> RB2: I suggest you report a bug if you suspect something awry
[23:32] <Chuck_Norris> ActionParsnip: xD yeah! that one, i used a couple of time, but, in that moment i was kinda noob web developer, not saying right now i am a pro but...
[23:33] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: what are the extensions that can tell me it's an install-able?
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Chuck_Norris: every day is a schoolday
[23:33] <welovfree__> in ubuntu
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: debs will install their contents if deps are met.
[23:34] <Ben64> welovfree__: ActionParsnip explained this already, extensions don't really mean anything
[23:35] <Chuck_Norris> good to see ya ActionParsnip, gtg cya latter
[23:35] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: so linux is totally a different planet?
[23:35] <welovfree__> because in windows .exe and msi means installable
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: you can even rename a .bmp to .png then ask the sytem what the file is and it will tell you it is a bitmap image. Windows is primitive and uses the file extension to tell what the file is, like it used to do in the old 8.3 DOS days. Linux is a modern OS and looks at the data
[23:36] <AnotherAnon> if I compile a custom kernel with devmpfs enabled will it support arm architecture ?
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: you can even remove the extension and be fine
[23:36] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: so that's why they say linux if freedom hahaha
[23:36] <welovfree__> and powerful :)
[23:37] <k1l_> welovfree__: .deb is meant to be like the installer on windows.packed stuff like .zip .rar or .tar.bz means you need to read the README what to do to install
[23:37] <ActionParsnip>  welovfree__: some people like to label their scripts with .py for python and .sh for bash, but that is also not needed but is useful to humans
[23:38] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: for readability?
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: yes, so that when you run "ls" you can immediately see what is what
[23:39] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: like commenting a source code, comments aren't needed but helpful for humans
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> welovfree__: exactly
[23:40] <welovfree__> ActionParsnip: it's my first time asking here in #ubuntu and I learn so much already :) thank you guys for your time :)
[23:48] <MrSavage> I want to develop with gtk+ 2
[23:48] <MrSavage> what package do i need to install?
[23:48] <danbeam> hey, I have a patch that fixes an old package that's probably customized/bundled for an old version of ubuntu (smartmontools 5.38-3ubuntu3). where do I send this patch/does anyone care?
[23:49] <danbeam> this patch fixes `service smartmontools status` for Ubuntu 10.04, which is technically still supported
[23:50] <k1l_> danbeam: its lucid still uses that version. file a bug on launchpad.net to that package and add the patch. so the maintainer sees it
[23:50] <danbeam> k1l_: great, thx


[00:27] <Keybuk> mbiebl, sadmac: what did you two want anyway? :)
[03:29] <sadmac> Keybuk: I just wanted in on the joke ;)
[04:44] <Keybuk> sadmac: I hate you
[04:44] <sadmac> Keybuk: good. Hate keeps a man alive
[04:46] <Keybuk> :D
[04:51] <Keybuk> sadmac: I thought of you when I was j/o earlier
[04:51] <Keybuk> no, wait, that's not what I mean
[04:51] <Keybuk> I thought of you when I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/567691
[04:52] <sadmac> Keybuk: go far enough west of my location and they'll hang you for comments like that. Or south. Or east.  Usually that ends up being environment variable formatted for ease, but it also has, for example, iptables rules
[05:00] <sadmac> Keybuk: also the definition has gotten loser as other parts of the system have had to parse things in there (networkmanager for example)
[05:02] <sadmac> Keybuk: actually now that I read the ticket again it is effectively the same thing. The analogy I drew at first was more to rc.local
[05:02] <sadmac> which is something else entirely
[05:02] <Keybuk> right
[05:02] <Keybuk> so I was right ;)
[05:02] <Keybuk> we use /etc/default for that
[05:02] <Keybuk> but I've been persuaded by everyone (including you) that Upstart needs an equivalent
[05:02] <Keybuk> except it'd be an empty-by-default directory
[05:03] <sadmac> Keybuk: ugly, nasty thing to implement
[05:03] <sadmac> once I finally get out from under this parser thing I need to set up an upstart-next branch on launchpad and make with the gutting.
[16:10]  * Caesar likes https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/567693
[19:59] <Keybuk> sadmac: so, I'm confused; did Upstart make it into RHEL 6 or not?
[19:59] <sadmac> Keybuk: yep. its in there.
[20:00] <Keybuk> ah, I see it mentioned in "Discontinued Packages"
[20:00] <Keybuk> which version went in?
[20:00] <sadmac> Keybuk: 0.6
[20:00] <Keybuk> \o/
[20:00] <Keybuk> phew
[20:01] <sadmac> Keybuk: you're saying phew. I'm the only person in RH's support organization who understand's Upstart
[20:01] <Keybuk> ;-)
[20:01] <Keybuk> yeah
[20:01] <Keybuk> because it makes getting LSB on board MUCH EASIER
[20:01] <Keybuk> I was fearing you shipping 0.3 - it would have put back LSB adoption of Upstart to after RHEL 7
[20:02] <sadmac> is LSB still relevant?
[20:02] <sadmac> the attitude of the public on that subject seems to shift a lot.
[20:04] <Keybuk> it's relevant to killing off init scripts
[20:04] <Keybuk> since the LSB still mandates them
[20:05] <sadmac> though if they follow RHEL they might use 0.6 as the standard, which is slightly undesirable.
[20:05] <Keybuk> sure, but 0.6 in RHEL now means we can at least start moving
[20:06] <sadmac> true
[20:06] <sadmac> and if we actually manage this backward compatibility stunt we might be able to coax 0.10/1.0 into 6.x
[20:08] <Keybuk> that was the idea ;-)
[20:08] <sadmac> KVM went in in a minor. I don't see why we couldn't.
[20:08] <Keybuk> I *really* intend that to work; you should be able to update Upstart on RHEL 6 or Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and things should carry on working
[20:09]  * sadmac is glad plautrba gets to deal with the problems in the meantime.
[20:09] <notting> kvm probably had a bit more customer demand
[20:10] <sadmac> notting: I thought it was more engineering bile.   It's cool to see something that I spent so much mental effort thinking about make it into RHEL.
[20:52] <wasabi_> Rock on fellows.


[09:05] <asac> hi
[09:08] <Ubulette> yop
[09:27] <asac> has prism been sponsored? are seamonkey binaries finally there?
[09:28] <Ubulette> no, no
[09:31] <asac> Ubulette:
[09:31] <asac> Get:1 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main seamonkey-browser 1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 [10.4MB]
[09:31] <asac> 38% [1 seamonkey-browser 4030204/10.4MB 38%]
[09:31] <asac> works for me
[09:32] <Ubulette> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/seamonkey/  ?
[09:32] <asac> apparently nothing to bother about
[09:32] <asac> strange
[09:32] <asac> pool/main/s/seamonkey/seamonkey-browser_1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[09:33] <asac> thats ppa?
[09:34] <Ubulette> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/seamonkey/
[09:34] <Ubulette> lol, half in main, half in universe
[09:34] <asac> strange
[09:35] <asac> well thats possible to do ... but why did it happen for seamonkey
[09:35] <asac> must have been an accident i guess
[09:35] <Ubulette> I don't know.
[09:35] <Ubulette> i have to go now. see you
[09:35] <asac> cu
[12:06] <asac> Ubulette: xul 1.9 tree closes in a few hours
[12:06] <asac> :)
[12:06] <asac> let me know if there are other fixes for b1
[21:48] <Ubulette> hi
[21:49] <Ubulette> asac, so, what do we do about cairo ?
[21:49] <Ubulette> did you read my answer to the bug ?
[22:38] <asac> Ubulette: bug?
[22:39] <asac> lets see
[22:39] <Ubulette> bug 164640
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164640 in firefox-3.0 "Build Firefox 3 against a subpixel-patched cairo" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164640
[22:39] <asac> bug 152210
[22:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152210 in xulrunner-1.9 "xulrunner ships its own copy of cairo" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152210
[22:40] <Ubulette> oh
[22:40] <asac> why is that firefox-3.0?
[22:40]  * asac reassigning
[22:40] <Ubulette> i don't know. someone triaged it that way
[22:40] <asac> is it a dupe?
[22:41] <asac> yes :)
[22:41] <asac> so whats the upstream bug
[22:42] <asac> i mean the main problem is that we cannot build against system cairo
[22:42] <asac> but why is that still the case ;)
[22:42] <Ubulette> there's a patch in the bug
[22:43] <asac> well ... the bug wants to add the patch to xulrunner ... i would prefer to not use the xulrunner cairo at all
[22:43] <Ubulette> but look at bonsai, 6 months of patches lost if we use system cairo
[22:44] <asac> b=404092, upgrade cairo to 1.5.2-55
[22:44] <asac> how can i find the diff they have?
[22:44]  * asac looking at bug
[22:45] <Ubulette> ask vlad :)
[22:45] <Dragonath> hi, is this the place to ask when I have a weird problem with thunderbird (and am using kubuntu 7.10)?
[22:45] <asac> wtf ... we are still at cairo 1.4.something ... even in hardy ;)
[22:45] <Ubulette> yes (but not me) :P
[22:46] <Ubulette> asac, yes
[22:46] <asac> Dragonath: ?
[22:46] <Ubulette> 1.5.* is for dev releases
[22:46] <Dragonath> thunderbird doesn't want to show my e-mails' message body
[22:47] <asac> Dragonath: start in safe-mode from command-line: thunderbird -safe-mode
[22:47] <Dragonath> it downloads the subject, shows the message body in that weird popup thing, and then shows me a blank when I click on it
[22:47] <asac> Dragonath: try that first
[22:48] <Dragonath> same thing
[22:48] <asac> i don't understand what you mean by "weird popup thing"
[22:48] <Dragonath> no errors in console
[22:49] <Dragonath> when I get the mail, a small window shows on the bottom right side of the screen, showing small bits of the mails received
[22:50] <asac> is that reproducible? with every mail or just with some?
[22:50] <Dragonath> well, it's been like this for almost two days now I think
[22:51] <Dragonath> a GTA newsletter thing just came in, doesn't show the contents at all
[22:51] <asac> can you still read mail?
[22:51] <Dragonath> it even displays the button where I can click Show Images, but nothing shows even when I click
[22:51] <asac> e.g. by opening mails the normal way?
[22:51] <Dragonath> well I can read them by logging in to the webmail inbox from where I download them
[22:52] <Dragonath> otherwise, bar the subjects, I can't really read any mail
[22:53] <asac> ok
[22:53] <asac> which extensions do you use?
[22:53] <asac> any?
[22:53] <Dragonath> I have one for exporting filters
[22:53] <Dragonath> that's all
[22:53] <asac> and I guess disabling that doesn't help ... hmm
[22:54] <Dragonath> problems really started a few weeks ago when I upgraded to 7.10 - trying to read mail just gave me some could not find error
[22:55] <Dragonath> yet I checked the innards of the inbox file and found the mails there
[22:55] <asac> do you use the thunderbird that is shipped by ubuntu? or did you install it manually at some point?
[22:55] <Dragonath> I installed it manually
[22:56] <asac> yeah ... well, thats not supported by this channel ... anyway, I would try to backup your profile folder and remove the .msf files .. then see if starting thunderbird helps
[22:56] <asac> or try to compact the folders
[22:56] <Dragonath> ok
[22:57] <Dragonath> when did they start shipping thunderbird with ubuntu? 7.04?
[22:57] <asac> since the beginning i guess
[22:57] <Dragonath> hmm then it doesn't make sense that I had to install it manually
[22:57] <Dragonath> both ubuntu and kubuntu had thunderbird?
[22:57] <asac> not by default
[22:58] <asac> you can install through Applications -> Add/Remove ...
[22:58] <Dragonath> ok
[22:59] <asac> if you want to switch you need to copy your profile directory: $HOME/.thunderbird => $HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird
[22:59] <asac> you can also create a link i guess
[23:00] <Dragonath> the profile directory is the whole /mozilla-thunderbird or the subfolder in it?
[23:01] <asac> the whole
[23:01] <asac> it should be .thunderbird in your home directory
[23:01] <Dragonath> ah ok
[23:01] <Dragonath> it's mozilla-thunderbird
[23:01] <asac> the one used by ubuntu build is .mozilla-thunderbird
[23:01] <asac> with a . ?
[23:01] <Dragonath> ok
[23:02] <Dragonath> yes
[23:02] <asac> yeah ... if you did the backup, remove the .msf files and restart tbird
[23:02] <asac> (stop before)
[23:02] <Dragonath> ok
[23:03] <asac> Ubulette: so nothing for this b1 update?
[23:04] <Ubulette> oh, hold on. a few (tiny) things
[23:04] <Ubulette> can i pull ?
[23:04] <Ubulette> is that .dev ?
[23:06] <asac> yes
[23:07] <asac> which things do you want to change?
[23:09] <Ubulette>  Add Homepage: and Vcs-Bzr: fields in control file
[23:09] <asac> yes ... go ahead
[23:09] <asac> which homepage?
[23:09] <Dragonath> ok, I think I might have to wipe all the stuff and do a reinstall again
[23:09] <asac> upstream?
[23:09] <Dragonath> thanks for help though
[23:09] <asac> hmm
[23:10] <asac> ok
[23:10] <Dragonath> good night (it's night here) :)
[23:10] <asac> u2
[23:10] <Ubulette> pushed
[23:10] <Ubulette> !info prism
[23:10] <ubotu> Package prism does not exist in gutsy
[23:11] <Ubulette> !info prism hardy
[23:11] <ubotu> Package prism does not exist in hardy
[23:11] <Ubulette> pfff
[23:13] <asac> yes, tomorrow i will sponsor then
[23:13] <asac> i think we generated enough awareness for this upload
[23:14] <asac> Ubulette: so which main things are missing for our xulrunner package becoming stable
[23:14] <Ubulette> python
[23:15] <asac> one important thing i received so far is libxul-embedding-unstable.pc
[23:15] <asac> so other .pc files can easily Requires: the unstable cflags
[23:15] <asac> yeah right ... we have python
[23:15] <Ubulette> but it will be ubuntu specific right ?
[23:15] <Ubulette> unless you post it upstream
[23:15] <asac> i hop e we can send it upstream
[23:16] <Ubulette> i doubt benjamin will agree
[23:16] <asac> otherwise my build system patches would not be good for upstream
[23:16] <asac> s
[23:16] <asac> lets see
[23:16] <asac> ok .pc files
[23:17] <asac> is one thing ... what about obsolete headers?
[23:17] <asac> thats an upstream bug to not ship them in unstable, right?
[23:17] <asac> i mean they duplicate all other stable headers in unstable
[23:17] <asac> why not the obsolete headers
[23:17] <asac> ?
[23:18] <Ubulette> obsolete headers ?
[23:18] <asac> yes there is a obsolete dir in the stable include dir, but not in the unstable one
[23:18] <asac> those are needed for epiphany for instance
[23:19] <asac> (iirc)
[23:20] <Ubulette> I see duplicates .h, not .idl
[23:20] <Ubulette> looks like a bug to me
[23:21] <asac> you mean like no stable idls in unstable?
[23:21] <asac> hmm nsIFactory.idl is in both
[23:22] <asac> ok ... we have still the addons issue
[23:22] <asac> e.g. plugins is only read from one location
[23:22] <asac> (or was it extensions?)
[23:24] <Ubulette> extensions
[23:24] <Ubulette> plugins are not shared.. yet
[23:24] <asac> he?
[23:24] <asac> so extensions work?
[23:24] <asac> but plugins don't, right?
[23:24] <Ubulette> ok, idl are dupe too
[23:25] <asac> yes, still obsolete is missing in unstable includedir
[23:25] <asac> at least for me
[23:26] <Ubulette> no. I mean: ff3 is using /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins and /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/extensions
[23:26] <asac> and /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions is not considered?
[23:26] <Ubulette> obsolete, why would you want that ?
[23:26] <asac> because some apps still use it :)
[23:26] <Ubulette> so far, there's no /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions
[23:27] <asac> and if they use unstable as well you have to add two pkg-config --cflags
[23:27] <asac> which is ugly as well
[23:27] <asac> i have no problem with it
[23:27] <asac> but sounds wrong imo to not put them in unstable
[23:27] <Ubulette> unstable just mean "not frozen yet", while obsolete is just obsolete = don't use it
[23:27] <Ubulette> +s
[23:28] <asac> yeah ... still stable headers go to unstable as well
[23:28] <asac> so obsolete should too
[23:28] <Ubulette> i think stable in unstable is a bug
[23:28] <asac> you could also understand unstable as "discouraged to use" ... which would make unstable a better candidate for obsolete then stable is
[23:28] <Ubulette> or it's wanted to be easier
[23:29] <asac> yes ... its for ease ... e.g. so just one pkg-config statement is enough
[23:29] <Ubulette> no, I just watched a video from benjamin. unstable = not frozen
[23:38] <Ubulette> you'd better hurry if you want to submit patches upstream. b2 is close
[23:39] <Ubulette> it may even be too late
[23:43] <asac> Tree is now closed for Beta 2 Bake Period. Only P1 blocking1.9 bugs or bugs with approvalM10 may land during this time.
[23:44] <asac> :)
[23:44] <Ubulette> yep
[23:47] <Ubulette> 2 weeks, still no prism. so much for "we love new packages, contribute to motu"
[23:50] <Ubulette> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1082
[23:51] <asac> bug 174219
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174219 in xulrunner "Please merge xulrunner <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174219
[23:51] <asac> is my
[23:54] <Ubulette> is your ?
[23:55] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[23:55] <asac> i have to do those that i am responsible for
[23:55] <asac> now that i think of it :) ... does prism have a bug and is ubuntu-universe-sponsors assigned?
[23:57] <Ubulette> bug 172484
[23:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172484 in ubuntu "Please package Prism" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172484
[23:57] <Ubulette> why is lool responsible (with you) for xulrunner ?
[23:57] <asac> yeah in future ubuntu-revu needs to be subscribed to get revu review ... and once that is done ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[23:58] <asac> sorry for not teaching you that properly ;)
[23:58] <asac> Ubulette: no idea ... why lool
[23:59] <asac> he is interested in general desktop things?