[04:12] <wilee-nilee> holstein, I have my pm off but wanted to share this soundstage with you and the channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qurVdB-HwUU
[08:42] <guest-ZTz4F2> Hello everyone!)  I face the problem of not being able to change my password for my user account. I tried to change the password with the following commands: sudo passswd -1 root  .....then: sudo passwd user   ---> The answer I got from the pc was Failure changing the authentification token.  --> Sometimes I got told that the passwd could not be changed.  Yesterday I tried a command somebody showed me in this chat to mount t
[08:42] <guest-ZTz4F2> he system for rw ( read and write). The command was mount -o rw, remount .....but unfortunably it was not recognized by the system. ( I' am working with ubuntu studio.) If somebody can help me out it would make me happy :)
[08:44] <cub> guest-ZTz4F2, your user won't be "root"
[08:46] <cub> guest-ZTz4F2, if you instead go to the menu -> System -> Users and Groups you can see you user there and change the password
[08:49] <wilee-nilee> guest-ZTz4F2, You forgot your password right?
[08:50] <guest-ZTz4F2> precisely.
[08:50] <wilee-nilee> guest-ZTz4F2, You followed that psychocats link?
[08:51] <guest-ZTz4F2> yes I did yesterday
[08:52] <guest-ZTz4F2> but the command did not ( mount -o rw, remount /  )
[08:52] <wilee-nilee> isn't Ubuntu tudio just ubuntu with another X the studio de?
[08:52] <guest-ZTz4F2> work...
[08:52] <guest-ZTz4F2> the system said that there was no such command as remount
[08:54] <guest-ZTz4F2> wired.
[08:55] <cub> wilee-nilee, sort of. It's another DE, the low-latency kernel and some other configs done. But essentially it's Ubuntu.
[08:56] <wilee-nilee> guest-ZTz4F2, I'm not sure if the link does not work.
[08:56] <wilee-nilee> anyway time to crash
[08:56] <guest-ZTz4F2> I tried to download missing aps but of course I couldn't install them because I do not have the passwd....
[08:57] <guest-ZTz4F2> in the menu system -> Users,... I cannot change the passwd because I am asked to type in the passwd for that...
[09:00] <guest-ZTz4F2> trappedI am trapped :)
[10:21] <Guest60599> ok Iam just learning... I need to connect me as a client for qjack..
[10:22] <Guest60599> I have a usb make and want to use it but the system doesn t find it
[10:23] <Guest60599> usb mike
[10:23] <cfhowlett> Guest60599, try a different usb port ...
[10:23] <Guest60599> have done that.. doesent find it
[10:24] <cfhowlett> Guest60599, not all mics are plug n play.  You might have to pick up an interface ...
[10:24] <Guest60599> ok
[10:25] <cfhowlett> Guest60599, is this for recording music or what?
[10:26] <Guest60599> yes I am making music and noise :)
[10:27] <Guest60599> using my voice and tracks
[10:27] <cfhowlett> Guest60599, if you're at all serious, be aware that usb mics generally tend to be of lower grade than XLR mics.  don't know your budget, but I bought a podcasting kit from presonus.  The One Box had mic, interface and headphones for less than $200.  see amazon
[10:28] <Guest60599> ok
[10:28] <cfhowlett> worked with out of the box with UbuntuStudio too!
[10:29] <Guest60599> ok
[10:30] <Guest60599> it worked at first and then it stop working I must have done something
[10:31] <cfhowlett> try recording without jack ...
[10:31] <Guest60599> ok
[10:31] <Guest60599> Iĺl try
[10:32] <Guest60599> thanks Iĺl see thanks for ansearing me ;)
[10:33] <cfhowlett> Guest60599, best of luck!
[16:16] <florianf_> Hello. I just installed Ubuntu studio 13.04 and was wondering if there was a special ubuntu studio repo. There are only the standard raring repos in my sources.list. Thanks
[16:16] <holstein> no.. the same sources as main ubuntu.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[16:16] <florianf_> ok, so packages such as alsa-firmware are best sought in medibuntu?
[16:17] <holstein> florianf_: "best" will be a matter of opinion, but you will use the same sources as main ubuntu
[16:18] <florianf_> ok, ill try it this way then. thank you
[16:39] <Navion> Does anyone know of a a cheap (under $150 US) 1U appliance that can run Ubuntu Studio? Would be cool if it could run from a 12V power supply.
[16:40] <holstein> Navion: ubuntustudio is ubuntu.. so, anything that will run ubuntu..
[16:41] <holstein> Navion: i would check system76
[16:41] <OvenWerks> Navion: not with case for that price.
[16:41] <holstein> yeah.. i would just go with a machine.. for that price
[16:42] <holstein> anything rackmount will be specific and quite a bit more
[16:42] <OvenWerks> There is an intel MB with the atom on it that runs on 12v. I have seen it for less than $100
[16:42] <Navion> OvenWerks: I guess the case is secondary since it would have to have a kind of specialized panel UI.
[16:42] <Navion> OvenWerks: Know a PN for that MB?
[16:42] <OvenWerks> Ya, the MB doesn't need a fan.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> d2800mt
[16:46] <OvenWerks> add ram to the MB price, but the CPU comes with it
[16:47] <OvenWerks> I have the d2500cc, but that needs an xt PS
[16:48] <OvenWerks> Find a 1ui rack someone is throwing out :)
[16:49] <OvenWerks> find a netbook someone is throwing out for the PS
[16:50] <OvenWerks> In a 1ui, you may want a fan anyway. The MB does have (mine does anyway) a fan connector.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> make sure it has access to lots of air.
[16:57] <florianf_> hello again. i'm encountering sth curious with JACK and Ardour -  when playing music through pulseaudio in ardour it seems  to be louder than with the jack output option. my sound card in pulse audio is off, with the jack sink the only way for all pulse audio applications. audio volume is both in pulse audio mixer as well as in ardour at 100%, but pulse audio still seems way louder than directly using jack.
[16:57] <florianf_> but it shouldnt matter, should it, as everything lands in jack anyway, either with a detour over pulse audio or directly.
[16:58] <holstein> well, one is coming from pulse
[16:58] <florianf_> but how can pulseaudio amplify the signal when it is at 0,00db 100% ?
[17:01] <florianf_> ah, got it just after asking you. when switching the outputs in ardour, it seems that switching to pulse audio maxes the ardour volume at 100%, and switching to jack puts it down to about 40%, but without "updating" the loudspeaker symbol beneath the close button in ardour, making it look like it is still at 100%. when clicking on the volume button in ardour, it then suddenly jumps down to the 40%, making it as loud as pulse sink way when dragging
[17:01] <florianf_>  it up again to 100%
[17:01] <florianf_> still a curious affair, though
[17:02] <florianf_> well, sry for bothering you


[04:58] <jjohansen> JanC: it shouldn't. To build in the security pocket the dependencies have to be met
[04:59] <jjohansen> so if it is really needed, by a security update the dependency from the updates pocket will get pulled in
[04:59] <jjohansen> you can have -security without -updates
[04:59] <jjohansen> but yes you may get updated versions because over time through -security
[05:02] <JanC> binary packages in -updates that are dependencies of binary packages in -security get copied from -updates to -security, even if they aren't security updates themselves?
[05:03] <jjohansen> only if necessary for a security update
[05:04] <JanC> well, the security update might depend on an unrelated non-security API extension in -updates, or something like that  :)
[05:04] <jjohansen> without doing that you couldn't have security without updates
[05:04] <jjohansen> yes, but we do try to avoid that
[05:06] <jjohansen> dependencies are a pita
[05:07] <jjohansen> that is why every body wants to containerize their apps, vendoring all their dependencies in
[05:07] <jjohansen> so instead they get to deal with the problem of their dependencies never getting proper security updates instead
[05:08] <JanC> "everybody"
[05:09] <jjohansen> :)
[05:09] <jjohansen> what can I say, I can't spell worth a ****. Product of the education system ;-)
[05:10] <JanC> I meant, that needs some quotes
[05:11] <jjohansen> ah, well yes that too
[16:11] <codingkoopa> "only if necessary" ah okay, at first I was thinking that there is a direct heritage for each package going back and forth between -security and -updates without any offshoots
[16:11] <codingkoopa> This all sounds... complicated, to maintain ;)
[16:14] <codingkoopa> So -updates *always * integrates security fixes, and -security integrates other bug fixes as necessary? And then the -updates version is (generally) the one used when creating a new point release?
[16:15] <codingkoopa> I'm not trying to oversimplify the process, I understand that a lot of this is situational ^^
[16:16] <codingkoopa> I think the thing that still confuses me is that, if there is a new -security update that is deployed, then a user would see regressions in the forms from any non-security-bug fixes that were not integrated.
[16:18] <codingkoopa> e.g. package foo from xenial-updates has bugfix X, and then xenial-security has to patch vulnerability Y, and does so without integrating bugfix X - then the user gets the security fix, but is missing out on the other bugfix
[18:29] <jjohansen> codingkoopa: yes, its a trade-off between work to be done and potential for regressions
[18:31] <jjohansen> if we did a security pocket for each release, so that, that release only received the security fixes, and then a security pocket for updates. That increase the amount of work that needs to be done. Partly because you have to apply the security fix in two places, partly because the further release and updates drift the larger the potential for patches to need additional backporting work.
[18:32] <jjohansen> But it gets worse as we would then need a security pocket for each point release as well
[18:34] <jjohansen> as for seeing regressions for non-security-bug fixes that were not integrated. Its possible and has happened
[18:34] <jjohansen> security fixes go through both a build and run testing, but we can't catch everything
[18:36] <jjohansen> in those cases, we might revert until the regression is fixed or we might be able to pull in a fix right away and re-release as a regression fix, those would show up as -2 or -3 ... as part of the USN number
[18:38] <jjohansen> though we are also using -2 ... for ESM now too :(
[18:39] <jjohansen> an example of an update fixing a regression https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-5487-2


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[03:31] <m4v> IdleOne is back
[03:32] <IdleOne> not really
[03:32] <rww> IdleOne is front
[03:33] <m4v> buuh
[17:36] <jono> can some ops help me moderate #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:38] <Tm_T> jono: I'm semi-available
[17:38] <Tm_T> what needs to be done?
[17:38] <bazhang> set +m?
[17:38] <jono> tm_T can we have #ubuntu-meeting locked so that only pgraner and I can speak and people can ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:38] <Tm_T> ye
[17:39] <jono> thanks
[17:39] <Tm_T> oh, I apparently don't have rights there..
[17:39] <Tm_T> I thought I had
[17:39] <jono> bazhang, can you do that for me?
[17:40] <Tm_T> popey: available?
[17:40] <Tm_T> jono: nope, you can see the list who can by doing "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-meeting list"
[17:41] <bazhang> dholbach popey mdke freenode staff and pricechild
[17:41] <bazhang> or ircc members
[17:41] <bazhang> jono, I wish I could :)
[19:28] <vish> can we set a re-direct for -meeting all the "*@gateway/web/freenode/*" to -classroom-chat or whereever it is that folks need to be heading?
[22:04] <_marx_> policy question: is there an official policy on bots for loco team channels? my team has lubotu1 and ubuntulog2 (w/o warning). are these required or recommended for loco team channels?
[22:04] <_marx_> by w/o warning i mean in the channel's topic
[22:04] <popey> we request that loco teams log their main channel
[22:04] <tsimpson> what channel?
[22:05] <tsimpson> it should have an entry message about logging though
[22:05] <tsimpson> or topic
[22:05] <_marx_> ubuntu-us-nc
[22:05] <_marx_> yes i know now
[22:08] <_marx_> ok so i just need to add an appropriate notice in the topic
[22:18] <popey> hmm
[22:19] <popey> i just joined a bunch of loco channels and they all showed me the 'you're logged' message
[22:19] <popey> however, most posted it in english
[22:19] <popey> this seems sub-optimal
[22:19] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/562775/
[22:19] <tsimpson> it really should be localized
[22:20] <_marx_> thx for the super fast help yall!
[22:20] <tsimpson> and those locobots are supposed to be replaced by ubuntulogs
[22:22] <nhandler> tsimpson: lubotu isn't the old loco log bot, it is the ubottu clone
[22:22] <rww> the locobot_# bots are still online. I dunno if they're actually in channels, though.
[22:23] <tsimpson> nhandler: not lubot, locobot
[22:23] <rww> ... oh. I suspect it would help if nhandler and I actually read pastes.
[22:24]  * nhandler thought he was commenting on the orginal comment by _marx_ (who said lubotu1)
[22:25] <popey> I'm mailing ubuntu-irc so we can figure out how to resolve this
[22:26] <nhandler> I just checked. All the channels in popey's paste also have ubuntulog. So we just need to get the loco log bot removed
[22:27] <popey> I'm less bothered about logging, more bothered by the fact that I'm not told in french, or italian that the channel is logged
[22:27] <popey> anyway, mail sent so we get it known that its an issue
[22:28] <tsimpson> would probably be better to email the loco contacts than the -irc ML
[22:29] <nhandler> popey: Those were notices from locobot, not chanserv entrymsg's (which need to get set and should be localized)
[22:29] <popey> I'm not asking -irc to do anything, my mail asks who should be tasks with fixing it
[22:30] <popey> and loco-contacts is probably not as useful as you think
[22:30] <popey> the vast majority of loco teams dont read it
[22:30] <popey> (which is a separate issue itself)
[22:31] <Tm_T> indeed, then there's people like me who reads, but forgets it all ):
[22:31] <rww> Rather than changing locobot, 1) channel founders need to be poked about setting chanserv entrymsg / topic / etc., 2) locobot_* should be actually be removed for good (unless some channels prefer it? I don't know what its status is).
[22:31] <rww> since ubuntulog doesn't handle entry messages like locobot did (which is fine, that's what entrymsg is for)
[22:32] <nhandler> rww: locobot was meant to be removed once ubuntulog showed up. We'll need to get a hold of the admin to ask about that
[22:34] <_marx_> daanngg; i started out following up on a team meeting action item and feel like i stepped in a yellow jacket nest
[22:35] <gpc> haha
[22:35] <gpc> that'll tech you
[22:35] <gpc> teach*
[22:35] <_marx_> well tech me too ;)
[22:35] <rww> _marx_: nah. It's just been a rather messy transition.
[22:35] <popey> its great _marx_, I'm glad you brought it up
[22:36] <rww> indeed
[22:36] <popey> hopefully it will ultimately result in a better experience for new users
[22:36] <popey> so thats a win
[22:36] <rww> I take it that -us-nc wasn't originally logged by locobot_*?
[22:36] <_marx_> i'm wondering how much info to split between entrymsg and topic now
[22:37] <_marx_> rww: i believe it was at one time
[22:38] <rww> ah, okay. I inferred from your original message that the channel used to be unlogged. That would have explained why a lot of channels don't have entrymsg, topic, etc. set up for it.
[22:43] <_marx_> part of the explanation of that is that i'm a long time irc user but haven't op'd much
[22:44] <_marx_> our team has two other ops, i caught this one
[23:06] <m4v> we have a mixed language entrymsg due to the Terms Of Service being in english.
[23:14] <erUSUL> popey: El canal se archiva públicamente (Nota legal: This channel is publicly logged at  irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService )
[23:14] <erUSUL> note that we say it first in spanish. and then we link the terms of service
[23:15] <m4v> erUSUL: he meant the locobot's entry msg though
[23:16] <m4v> which was always in english as I remember
[23:16] <tsimpson> loco teams should be encouraged to translate the ToS page into their language and link to that
[23:28] <m4v> we have a ton of documentation that need translation.


[01:39] <karni> whoaa, end of day for me. night all
[14:10] <Mads> Hi i have a question. I'm using the nightly U1 client, and the preferences dialog has disappear. the developers know this and are worling on it. how can i set the U1 upload speed to 500kb/s from the commandline. And does it work, i know theres been som problems with changing the max speeds. Im adding 10Gb of files the my U1 folder and dont what to bloc my internet for the nest 15 hours.
[14:12] <karni> Mads: i'm running 10.04 so I can't help much :< maybe somebody else will
[14:13] <dobey> install ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[14:17] <Mads> hi thank, i will try that. i read that changing the up/download speeds will screw the client up (cant remember the details). is it still a problem?
[14:20] <dobey> well you shouldn't be able to set it to 0 any more, so shouldn't be. but 0 means 0, not infinity
[14:23] <Mads> thanks, i just want to set it to 500Kb/s so it does not take up all the bandwith. I am really happy about the Ubuntu service. (when it works ;-)
[18:22] <lazarus_> is there a way to make an sh script interact with U1?
[18:22] <beuno> lazarus_, depends in what way
[18:22] <beuno> but there's u1sdtools that is a cmd line client
[18:23] <lazarus_> beuno: basically to login and pull down a backup
[18:24] <beuno> lazarus_, hm, you could probably do that easily with python, no sure sh
[18:24] <beuno> you could as in the mailing list
[18:24] <beuno> or during the week, where more devs hang out
[18:24] <lazarus_> ok
[18:24] <lazarus_> :)
[18:25] <lazarus_> i cant code in python :(
[18:27] <beuno> lazarus_, you can always learn!
[18:28] <beuno> python is super nice to use
[18:34] <lazarus_> indeed i can
[18:34] <karni> lazarus_: there's even a library named with your nickname (almost exactly ;) )
[18:34] <karni> lazarus_: it's used to interact with Launchpad from within Python ^ ^
[18:37] <lazarus_> hehe i never knew
[19:01] <karni> beuno: there's still much to do on the ActionQueue side, but I'm putting some pieces together now to see how all this machinery will behave. and step by step it's ticking better. because there's so much new code, I rewrote the service. tons of work, tons of work, I'm pushing it forward everyday.
[19:01] <karni> beuno: whenever there's a working prototype of this whole new stuff, you can be sure I'll ping you asap. it'll be still a while, though.
[20:56] <karni> heh, the debug log of U1F seriously starts to look like the U1 logs from PC. Gets stuck on auth though. Good moment to take a break. bbl
[22:39] <mongy> Im having trouble viewing something I published.
[22:39] <mongy> another odd bug I found recently was I published something, and its still published, but in nautilus, its showing as not.
[22:40] <mongy> http://ubuntuone.com/p/bvu/   does not show
[22:44] <mongy> just checked a link I posted somewhere some days ago, no longer works..  server or whatever must be down
[23:13] <mongy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563607/
[23:47] <mongy> works now.
[23:48] <karni> mongy: problem solved?
[23:48] <mongy> solved itself
[23:48] <karni> mongy: I love such problems, don't you ;) ?
[23:48] <mongy> was down, now is not
[23:49] <karni> ack
[23:49] <mongy> skynet!
[23:49] <karni> Ok guys, EOD for me. Good night everyone!
[23:50] <mongy> I like how I get a reply when it works :) lollll
[23:51] <mongy> night karni
[23:51] <karni> mongy: it wasn't intentional. I saw your question, but I didn't have a clue how to help :(
[23:51] <karni> night mongy!
[23:51] <mongy> heh
[23:52] <mongy> not life threatening anyway
[23:52] <mongy> I could wait


[07:55] <adom> InHisName: no I'm just 6 hours ahead of your guys over here in Holland. otherwise I'd have no way to be up before you early birds.
[09:42] <rmg51> Morning
[09:45] <JonathanD> Morning adom
[09:45] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:00] <rmg51> o/
[12:17] <InHisName> Morning to you adom or rather afternoon !
[12:32] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[17:15] <lazyPower> o/
[17:25] <teddy-dbear> \o
[21:23] <ChinnoDog> Anyone want to move to DC?
[21:26] <rmg51> ChinnoDog: moving back and need someone to buy your house down there?
[21:55] <ChinnoDog> No. Trying to fill a job position at work with someone qualified.


[12:16] <sabdfl> launchpad list is private, right?
[12:22] <salgado> right
[12:25] <sabdfl> kiko: ping
[12:26] <lucasvo> is there any feauture planned to have a mailing list per group?
[12:29] <sabdfl> lucasvo: yes! would that be useful to you?
[12:33] <lucasvo> sabdfl: well, for coordinating efforts and discussion about development I think I would use it once there are more than 2 devs in my team
[12:34] <lucasvo> sabdfl: however I think working things out with malone and bazaar have higher priorities
[12:34] <sabdfl> agreed
[12:35] <lucasvo> (linking bugs to revision #, uploading bzr branches to product branches, and couple of other things)
[12:35] <lucasvo> ah yes, and maybe some syntax for bug fixing in ci messages would be cool
[12:35] <lucasvo> like: fixes bug # 22
[12:35] <sabdfl> amen, brother
[12:36] <lucasvo> sabdfl: sorry, I can't really figure out what amen means in this context. ACK? agreed?
[12:36] <sabdfl> very much agreed
[12:36] <lucasvo> good to know :0
[12:36] <lucasvo> :)
[12:38] <lucasvo> sabdfl: too bad it's not opensource. I started using LP because there were some rumors that it be opensourced. that was, what made me prefer it from trac and SF
[12:38] <sabdfl> trac is open source
[12:38] <lucasvo> sabdfl: yes, but it doesn't host the projects
[12:39] <sabdfl> right
[12:39] <lucasvo> not having to deal with svn permissions and making your ISP install trac is a great relief
[12:40] <lucasvo> do you (still) have in mind of opensourcing it?
[12:40] <sabdfl> yes
[12:41] <sabdfl> we want to refactor it and release it chunks at a time
[12:41] <lucasvo> it's not that I would want to set it up on my own server, but when I develop free software I want to develop it using free software
[12:41] <sabdfl> starting with the infrastructure that makes it possible, so that others can write web infrastructure like this too
[12:41] <sabdfl> we have GREAT infrastructure
[12:41] <lucasvo> what infrastructure? I've only seen the apache proxy error so far... :)
[12:42] <sabdfl> you'll see :-)
[12:42] <lucasvo> yeah
[12:44] <sabdfl> night all
[01:43] <WebMaven> Added a spec: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zope3/+bug/56853
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56853 in zope3 "Make it easier to build Zope3 + MySQL applications" [Unknown,Unknown]
[01:43] <WebMaven> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-zope3-support
[02:23] <WebMaven> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zope3onUbuntu
[02:24] <ajmitch> WebMaven: #launchpad isn't the best place for raising issues about ubuntu development
[02:25] <WebMaven> It's more of a Zope3 issue. I thought it would be of interest.
[02:25] <ajmitch> it's a request for ubuntu packages
[02:25] <WebMaven> Oh, you mean the stuff I pasted earlier. Sorry. OK.
[12:47] <sabdfl> how do i see an OOPS?
[12:49] <sivang> sabdfl: hey, I'm trying to see the link you sent me but it's timing out ;-)
[12:50] <sabdfl> sivang: any spec listing will show it to you
[12:50] <sivang> sabdfl: right, cool, and thanks for the landing!
[12:50] <sabdfl> sure, thanks for the code :-)
[12:51] <sivang> sabdfl: hrm, can you access staging though? (even front page)
[12:51] <sabdfl> https://staging.launchpad.net/+graphics
[12:51] <sabdfl> sure
[12:55] <sivang> sabdfl: this page partially loads. But Staging just timeouts with an OOPS for me, is this knows / planned ?
[12:55] <jamesh> sabdfl: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/$OOPSID
[12:55] <sivang> OOPS-231S15
[12:55] <Ubugtu> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/231S15
[12:56] <sabdfl> sivang: staging may be under some load, i think there's work under way to open Edgy translations
[12:56] <sabdfl> which drives the db server nuts
[12:56] <sabdfl> they may be testing that on staging right now
[12:56] <sabdfl> jamesh: thanks!
[12:56] <sivang> ah right, makes sense, okay.
[12:56] <sabdfl> jamesh: great blog on the supermirror stuff
[12:56] <jamesh> thanks.
[12:56] <sabdfl> i really want that experience to be very slick for people
[12:56] <sabdfl> should come down to:
[12:57] <sabdfl>   bzr branch lp:///python my-branch
[12:57] <sabdfl>   bzr commit
[12:57] <sabdfl>   bzr push lp:/[some url indicating my branch]
[12:58] <sabdfl> and it should then be visible to everyone, under ~name/product/my-branch
[12:59] <sabdfl> with the smart server work by spiv and mpool, i think we can make the whole thing pretty fast
[12:59] <sivang> hmm, so each person can become a sort of LP "Instance" holding a world of products , packages, branches and so on of his own ?
[12:59] <sivang> well, packages probably fall under PPAs
[01:00] <jamesh> yeah
[01:00] <sabdfl> sivang: yes
[01:00] <jamesh> I wonder if the smart server would be able to automatically use other branches as a basis for the initial push?
[01:00] <sivang> cool!
[01:00] <sabdfl> i was just thinking the same thing
[01:00] <sabdfl> if it remembered the revision that came *from* the supermirror, in metadata, it could use that for the push
[01:01] <sivang> and I assume the plan is also to allow that from teams, as they basically could be treated like people ?
[01:01] <jamesh> although perhaps doing repositories on the supermirror would get similar benefits
[01:01] <sabdfl> it could start the conversation with "hi, i am about to push a branch which started with revision X, and I happen to know you have that"
[01:02] <sabdfl> which could then create the repository and allow the new branch push to be really, really fast
[01:04] <sabdfl> so, you wouldn't even have to have had a previous push of this product yourself
[01:04] <sabdfl> just leverage a repository which can be created because you know which revision you last saw from the SM
[01:05] <sabdfl> since revision ID's are uuid's, knowledge of the revid implies knowledge of the branch itself
[01:05] <sabdfl> though we should probably enfore branch privacy over and above that
[01:05] <sabdfl> mpool: ^ ?
[01:33] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: when aaron's nested trees work is done, you should be able to identify a project by it's root-id
[01:40] <sabdfl> LarstiQ: that's pretty interesting - i'll chat with aaron about that
[01:41] <LarstiQ> you still have the problem that everyone who branches off that has the same root-id, but it gives you an idea what branches to look at
[01:42] <LarstiQ> but aaron can tell you more :)
[01:42] <jamesh> LarstiQ: we have a DB with revision info for all the registered branches, so picking a closest matching branch is not an insurmountable problem
[01:43] <jamesh> LarstiQ: just go back in the revision history til you get a match
[01:45] <LarstiQ> jamesh: you'll need something more than just push then
[01:45] <LarstiQ> or it will be installing old revision first, and that is what you want to speed up
[02:02] <lifeless> sabdfl: the basic approach will be that you ask the smart server what you need to upload
[02:02] <lifeless> sabdfl: so it may be possible - we've actually discussed this before
[02:03] <lifeless> IIRC we felt it was best to have an explicit 'reuse this branch' api in it, which is not as transparent, but provides plenty of room for optimisation
[02:06] <lifeless> LarstiQ: you cant id a project by the root - forked projects will share roots, just like revision ids will, and anyhow a revision id query is almost the same overhead
[02:07] <LarstiQ> lifeless: right, I see forks as the same thing, but that has potential for huge mismatches in the revision history
[02:07] <lifeless> also, all the existing projects have one root id
[02:07] <LarstiQ> there is that small operational problem, yes :)
[02:08] <LarstiQ> that is a particular id though?
[02:08] <lifeless> yes
[02:09] <LarstiQ> would you do a 'related branches:' by traversing the revision-history and looking up who has the same revisions, or would roots (bar the current one) be ok for that?
[02:10] <LarstiQ> You'd need the former for branching visualisation anyway
[02:13] <lifeless> so the problem with transparent branch cloning is revision pollution
[02:14] <LarstiQ> if you use a launchpad wide repository?
[02:14] <LarstiQ> or even a user/product wide one
[02:14] <lifeless> if we ignore that, its basically a chatter back and forth to determine what revision the bundle to be uploaded should be made against
[02:14] <lifeless> which is the exact same chatter that any normal upload to a branch will use
[02:15] <LarstiQ> even on dumb transports?
[02:15] <lifeless> except that there is no remote initial revision to match against
[02:15] <lifeless> no, any normal hpss upload
[02:15] <LarstiQ> ok
[02:20] <lifeless> but a simple approach is to allow explicit cloning
[02:20] <lifeless> 'branch remoteA remoteB, then push --overwrite remoteB'
[02:20] <lifeless> I think we can make this seamless within the client for launchpad uploads
[02:21] <LarstiQ> how do you determine remoteA?
[02:22] <lifeless> query for 20 or 30 revision ids in the lp database, among the branches for the product being uploaded too that you have access to
[02:22] <lifeless> the revision ids are exponential backoffs in the rev history
[02:23] <lifeless> the tip, tip -5, tip -25, tip -125, tip -625, tip - 3K, tip -15K
[02:23] <lifeless> sort of thing
[02:25] <lifeless> anyhow, its all worth consideration
[02:25] <LarstiQ> ok, that should work when you branch python-trunk and keep the same product when uploading
[04:36] <sabdfl> lifeless: in many cases, the user will branch *from* launchpad and push *to* launchpad
[04:36] <sabdfl> so, it should be able to know at least a recent rev-id that is on the server
[10:49] <parsek> is there a shipit channel, or can i ask here about it
[10:56] <LarstiQ> you can ask here
[10:57] <parsek> do i have to make 2 orders if i want to order kubuntu and ubuntu
[10:57] <lucasvo> parsek: yes
[10:58] <parsek> does it cost me anything
[10:58] <lucasvo> parsek: no
[10:58] <parsek> i mean shiping
[10:58] <lucasvo> parsek: and they will get shipped together
[10:58] <lucasvo> parsek: no
[10:58] <parsek> thx
[10:58] <lucasvo> just login to shipit.ubuntu.com and afterwards shipit.kubuntu.org
[10:59] <parsek> well i`m doing it the other way
[10:59] <parsek> does it matter
[10:59] <parsek> first kubuntu then ubuntu
[11:00] <lucasvo> no
[11:03] <parsek> well, i dont know if here is any makers of kubuntu but i have to say that thx for making a great OS (works perfectly even with my 5 year old laptop) and thanks lucasvo
[11:04] <parsek> Bye!


[07:20] <pleia2> there, created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/XenialRelease
[07:20] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/XenialRelease - Ubuntu Wiki]
[07:20] <pleia2> I will try to set up the formal event stuff for the SF party in the next day or so


[15:06] <stas> hi, correct me if I'm wrong, but askubuntu.com is totally not a community project nor canonical one
[15:11] <head_victim> Well it's in use by the community
[15:12] <stas> head_victim: yeah, but nothing more
[15:12] <head_victim> I'm not 100% certain on the inception of the project, I prefer IRC and mailing lists for my support
[15:13] <stas> true, but I'm looking to migrate our loco forums to osqa or sort of
[15:13] <stas> and was wondering what was the community input in askubuntu
[15:21] <head_victim> Ah, our loco is contemplating a forum but I can't see the need for it when the main forums exist already
[16:13] <stas> head_victim: an askubuntu solution i see would help a lot in support questions, which for a forum is a too nosy place to address
[16:14] <head_victim> I thought a forum existed as support
[17:18] <cjohnston> stas: jcastro would be the one to ask
[22:44] <nhandler> stas: A forum also tends to cater more to discussions. askubuntu aims to get the best answers to questions and make them easily available from search engines and stuff like that. I'm not aware of any locos using a system like askubuntu. Most choose to use a forum instead (especially since they can get a subforum on ubuntuforums.org)
[22:46] <stas> nhandler: thanks, I agree with you. looks like we'll try a pilot project using osqa for questions and online assistance and leave forums for "flames" :)


[10:38] <A-Kaser> poy poy
[12:02] <Delphinus> evening all
[12:03] <A-Kaser> morning
[12:03] <Delphinus> reading a tutorial on setting up iptables... and it asks me to run /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog restart
[12:03] <Delphinus> problem is there no rc.d dir in /etc
[12:04] <Delphinus> was curious what the rc0.d etc et care
[12:04] <Delphinus> are*
[12:05] <Delphinus> any helpful pointers?
[12:09] <lionelp> Delphinus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[12:10] <Delphinus> thankyou :)
[12:10] <Delphinus> i'm just curious why there is no /etc/rc.d/ dir
[12:10] <A-Kaser> hum /etc/init.d
[12:10] <A-Kaser> and /etc/rc{0-6}.d
[12:10] <A-Kaser> dirs
[12:10] <lionelp> Delphinus: this was on old RedHat system
[12:11] <Delphinus> ahhh
[12:11] <A-Kaser> :)
[12:11] <Delphinus> so what does one use now?
[12:11] <Delphinus> where does one find syslog?
[12:11] <lionelp>  /etc/init.d/syslog
[12:12] <Delphinus> i only have sysklogd
[12:12] <lionelp> You are right Delphinus
[12:13] <Delphinus> are they the same thing?
[12:14] <lionelp> yes
[12:14] <Delphinus> ahh thankyou very much!! :D
[12:16] <Delphinus> PS - just approaching nighttime here in new zealand.... and cold! :P
[12:17] <ajmitch> surely not, it was a nice & warm day when I left there yesterday :)
[12:20] <Delphinus> oh the days are nice and sunny... just the nights that bring the frost
[12:20] <ajmitch> yeah, it was a cold evening waiting for the bus on monday night in dunedin
[12:20] <Delphinus> <-- lives in dunedin
[12:20] <Delphinus> :)
[12:20] <Delphinus> dunlug member?
[12:21] <ajmitch> currently in canberra for a few days, it's not much warmer here
[12:21] <ajmitch> yes, but haven't been to meetings recently
[12:21] <Delphinus> yeah same, i'm mostly a lurker
[12:21] <Delphinus> been meaning to start up thursdaynightcurry stuff again but keep forgetting/etc
[12:23] <Delphinus> but thursdaynightcurry HAS to be done on thursdays!
[12:24] <Delphinus> Once upon a time there was a gathering of engineers, sysadmins, programmers and other technical people. They came together in New Zealand's capital city, Wellington, with curry and beer. Often, quite a lot of beer. They decided to continue this consumption each week, and thus Thursday Night Curry was born.
[12:24] <ajmitch> I know.. :)
[12:24] <Delphinus> so every thursday?
[12:27] <Delphinus> and some people dont like curry (cant understand why) so i might organise a thursdaynightcurry-but-not-on-thursdays-and-sometimes-not-curry
[02:50] <berkes> g'day.
[02:51] <berkes> is this a development channel, or can I ask some questions regarding ispconfig an OSS server config ssytem
[03:12] <lionelp> hi berkes
[03:13] <lionelp> this is a devel channel, but we also answer questions when we are on a good mood :)
[03:14] <lionelp> i do not personnaly know ispconfig btw
[03:16] <berkes> isconfig seems nice, and its supported on most standard linux distros. But there is no .deb :( I am looking for such a deb, or a project to make it one :)
[03:16] <berkes> s/isconfig/ispconfig
[03:18] <lionelp> I think there was an howto on howtoforge to setup ispconfig on Ubuntu
[03:18] <lionelp> Salut
[03:18] <lionelp> hum, wrong window :)
[03:29] <A-Kaser> http://wiki.e-bulles.be/bulles/ISPConfig_sous_Linux-VServer
[03:30] <A-Kaser> but it's  in french
[05:30] <berkes> A-Kaser: getting it to work from compile is not my problem. But I prefer to use only packages on my server :(


[03:31] <Unit193> Break all the things! :D
[03:31] <skellat> I regret nothing.
[03:31] <jenni> oh baby
[03:33] <skellat> Unit193: I told you I would get the extra special image mentioned on Planet Ubuntu.
[03:34] <skellat> Sadly, I didn't stick to the script as closely as I should have.
[03:38]  * Unit193 doesn't visit the planet. :D
[05:00] <Unit193> skellat: "GET /mir HTTP/1.1" 301 563 "http://planet.ubuntu.com/" <<<There you go!
[05:01] <Unit193> Hah, nevermind, it was you. :P
[10:49] <yano> lol
[16:08] <thafreak> all hail canthus13
[16:09]  * canthus13 bows.
[16:10] <paultag> canthus13!
[16:10] <jrgifford> paultag: ugh
[16:10] <jrgifford> seriously?
[16:11] <jrgifford> :D
[16:11]  * canthus13 stabs paultag.
[16:11] <paultag> :D
[16:12] <thafreak> seriously...
[16:13] <thafreak> just when i thought paultag wasn't an a$$...
[16:13] <paultag> suckaaa
[16:13] <paultag> it literally never gets old
[16:14] <paultag> right, brbs
[16:15] <thafreak> I think you mean figuratively
[16:49] <skellat> When in doubt, don't operate a GPS jammer: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-13-106A1.pdf
[17:38] <dzho> heh.  I did 'git branch rm foo' instead of 'git branch -d foo' so now I have a branch called 'rm'
[17:38] <dzho> well, not really.  I did 'git branch -d rm' but you know it sounds better the first way.
[17:38] <dzho> (and by better, I mean hilariously worse)
[23:02] <skellat> Thought for today: http://xkcd.com/1247/
[23:02] <jenni> [ xkcd: The Mother of All Suspicious Files ] - https://j.mp/13ze9Hw


[00:25] <Takyoji> Anyone used PyGTK at all?
[01:17] <jchristensen> Anyone read Jono's Book, "The Art of Community"?
[01:18] <Takyoji> I've been curious of it previously, but haven't read it
[01:18] <jchristensen> Its quite good, been reading it this past week
[01:18] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> I thought about picking up a copy, but haven't so far.
[01:22] <jchristensen> Has been a very interesting read, I'd like to get more active in the community
[01:23] <Takyoji> It's also available freely as a PDF as well, correct?
[01:23] <jchristensen> I'm not sure
[01:23] <Takyoji> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/downloads/jonobacon-theartofcommunity-1ed.pdf
[01:26] <jchristensen> Good to know. Already purchased it, I'll help support Jono, and save on the eye strain
[01:33] <Takyoji> heh yea
[14:24] <kermit> where should one start looking for a linux job?   also if anyone could send me their resume for examples i'd appreciate it.
[15:43] <Takyoji> I'd also be curious as well
[15:51] <ripps> From my experience, if you want to have a job where Linux is the primary focus, you'll probably need to be a serious coder, either that, or a server admim. But employers don't know what to make of linux. It's best to have some more generic degrees, certifications, and job experience.
[15:52] <ripps> Unless, of course, your trying to join an established linux company like redhat or canonical. Either way, you'll probably need some mad coding skills to get hired
[16:14] <kermit> i've been using linux since 1996 and have been coding since 1983
[16:14] <kermit> the reason that i dont know the first thing about finding a linux job is that i've never had to try before :/
[18:57] <rlaager> kermit: In what area of the state are you looking for a job?
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> kermit: Of my jobs where I used Linux, here's how I got them:
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> 1) New the guy from previously being co-workers at Erik's Bike Shop
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> 2) Stood out as a student who knew my way around Linux at Saint Paul College, hired first as student help then regular staff
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> 3) Craigslist
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> Dice.com is good for both help-desk monkeys and senior admins, but not much in between currently.
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> Remind me about the resume in the evening.
[19:10] <tonyyarusso> For what those jobs were, 1) random technical help, low-key server admin, 2) combination server admin & workstation support, 3) Linux-based virtual appliance development, testing, documentation, & support
[19:12] <tonyyarusso> 1) Now-defunct web-dev firm, 2) Saint Paul College Computing Careers Department, 3) Nagios, Inc. (current)
[19:26] <kermit> rlaager: minneapolis
[19:26] <kermit> tonyyarusso: thanks!
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> wow, *Knew on that first one
[19:27] <kermit> gnu!
[19:30] <kermit> oh all FOSS ppl should start saynig gnu for new/knew
[19:30] <Obsidian1723> I GNU that
[19:30] <kermit> i think i will, maybe it'll start a movement
[20:06] <tonyyarusso> heh
[20:08] <Takyoji> ITT Technical college sounds just a little Windows-centric
[20:09] <Takyoji> based upon my visit today
[20:09] <tonyyarusso> Doesn't surprise me.
[20:09] <Takyoji> Linux is available as an aside practically.
[20:09] <tonyyarusso> Saint Paul College and Hennepin Tech both had some decent Linux stuff, although I don't know if I'd go as far as Linux-centric.  Probably fairly even-handed.
[20:10] <Takyoji> I'd rather do something platform-agnostic and about the actual concepts rather than "You double click this, click this tab, click this button (...)"
[20:10] <tonyyarusso> Metro State uses Linux for some courses too.
[20:10] <tonyyarusso> oh, yeah, no
[20:10] <Takyoji> ahh
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> Saint Paul College has "Operating System Fundamentals" (courses I and II), which use Linux because they can demonstrate the point more in-depth.
[20:11] <Takyoji> My only issue for the "better" colleges would be acceptance, since I'm not Mr. 4.0 GPA or anything of that nature.
[20:12] <Takyoji> And I haven't taken the ACT/SAT
[20:13] <Takyoji> Is it common for colleges to let you just take the test for a class and receive credit (if you obviously pass) without having to pay for that course, or?
[20:13] <tonyyarusso> What "better" colleges offer anything resembling tech courses?
[20:14] <tonyyarusso> Unless you wanted to go for an actual CompSci degree I guess - UMN & St. Olaf both have good stuff for that.
[20:14] <tonyyarusso> No.  If you're lucky they might let you take the test and not have to attend, but you'd still have to pay regardless.
[20:15] <Takyoji> Well generally speaking, colleges that have strict acceptance requirements are probably the ones I wouldn't be able to get into, is just one limiting factor for me in general.
[20:15] <Takyoji> For ITT they implied I'd be able to take a test for a course and actually wouldn't have to pay for that course (if I didn't need to go through it)
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> So, St. Olaf is out.  Everything else mentioned is in.  UMN would probably make you take the ACT or SAT first.
[20:17] <tonyyarusso> h00k: Teach me about debhelper :P
[20:17] <Takyoji> Though I presume U of M is an arm and a leg.
[20:17] <Takyoji> (in cost)
[20:18] <tonyyarusso> Not compared to the "better" schools.  Compared to the community colleges yes.
[20:19] <tonyyarusso> 2009-10 tuition and fees for new students (based on two semesters of full-time enrollment)
[20:19] <tonyyarusso> Minnesota residents - $11,542
[20:20] <Takyoji> and for U of M, I'd pretty much need full dedication towards it, or would be able to have a job at the same time?
[20:20] <h00k> tonyyarusso: uuuum
[20:20] <h00k> debhelper, I bet ripps would know.
[20:20] <tonyyarusso> For comparison, St. John's University:
[20:20] <tonyyarusso> For the 2010-2011 academic year:
[20:20] <tonyyarusso> * Tuition and fees: $31,576
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> h00k: true
[20:21]  * tonyyarusso pokes the absent ripps
[20:21] <h00k> I don't know enough to be able to help you :(
[20:21] <Takyoji> I think you can ask for a mentor with using debhelper and so on
[20:21] <h00k> tonyyarusso: or..Amaranth I bet would know
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> yeah, but -motu is pretty dead atm
[20:21] <Takyoji> over the MOTU mailing list I believe
[20:21] <Takyoji> ahh
[20:22] <h00k> tonyyarusso: Amaranth poked his head in before in -offtopic
[20:22] <Takyoji> then resurrect them. :P
[20:25]  * Takyoji plays Gish
[20:32] <Takyoji> Perhaps we could have a meeting or something via IRC or something for those curious of doing deb packaging
[20:34] <tonyyarusso> That'd be good, yes.  Michigan does that a lot.
[20:34] <Takyoji> and could also work on accommodating learning materials/printouts
[21:14] <Obsidian1723> http://www.ucalgary.ca/news/may2010/typhoid read it and the white paper at the bottom.
[21:27] <kermit> i've been rather unsuccesfully self-employed for a long time, i'm having a hard time with this "employment history" part of my resume.. i have skills, i just don't know how to make anyone believe that i do.
[21:30] <kermit> how do you get past HR to the techies who can guage your skills on their own merits?
[21:31] <h00k> magics
[21:32] <kermit> maybe targetting smaller businesses who don't have an HR department..
[21:36] <Obsidian1723> kermit, thats where certs are handy.. HR rou8nd files many who dont have X Y and Z
[21:37] <Obsidian1723> certs alone, like experience alone, arent valid.
[21:37] <Obsidian1723> You need both.
[21:37] <Obsidian1723> For certs, in this economy, there are MANY unemployeed MCSE, CCNA, etc, so for for something like the RHCE, Security+, Linux+, Juniper certs, Ethical Hacker Cert, etc.
[21:38] <kermit> Obsidian1723: rou8nd?
[21:38] <Obsidian1723> A lot of it too is how your resume reads
[21:38] <Obsidian1723> - 8 typo
[21:38] <kermit> "round"?
[21:38] <Obsidian1723> I can look at your resume if you want, finese it out a bit.
[21:38] <kermit> i thought i'd always be self employeed, i have no certs
[21:38] <kermit> you're already on the list to send it to, when i finish writing it :)
[21:38] <Obsidian1723> Yeah, Ive been at it 32 years, never got "The Papers" until now.
[21:38] <kermit> and, thanks
[21:39] <Obsidian1723> You have my email?
[21:39] <kermit> no
[21:39] <Obsidian1723><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:39] <kermit> I had $500k just 3 years ago, this economy wiped me out faster than I could react.
[21:39] <kermit> i guess i'm a better coder than investor
[21:42] <Takyoji> Didn't know there was something called "Ethical Hacker Certification"
[21:42] <kermit> haha
[21:46] <Obsidian1723> what are your areas of expertise?
[21:47] <Obsidian1723> There is. Security certs are big. Surprisingly, you dont need them for the area Im going into, but I want them anyway.
[21:47] <Obsidian1723> Right now I have a DCSE, Network+, Linux+, and 32 years expedrience.
[21:47] <Obsidian1723> and I cant still type worth a damn
[21:49] <Obsidian1723> Kermit, what are your areas of exertise? and what areas do you have ewxperience in? they arent always the same.
[21:50] <kermit> Obsidian1723: my best skill is manipulating large sets of textual data with efficient combinations of bash/awk, gnu find/bin/text utils, and whatever custom C code is necessary, but i can admin too, i've been running linux since 1996 and have been on PCs since 1983... but the this resume is my top priority and you'll have it soon.
[21:50] <kermit> by large i mean, where cpu/memory/disk bandwidth is a bottleneck
[21:51] <Obsidian1723> ok, now, I would recommend a functional format vs a time line one.
[21:51] <kermit> ?
[21:51] <kermit> resume format?
[21:52] <kermit> yeah i pretty much have to do it that way
[21:52] <Obsidian1723> For example, my current job, and last 2 jobs before it, all dealt with custom software. I can use that. At one job, I monitored ATMs over high-security networks, at this job, I work in biometric security, I can link the two.
[21:54] <Obsidian1723> So since you can C program, that can be tied into bash scripting/programming, which can tie into administration.
[21:55] <kermit> i'd be a fine admin, but it wouldnt be up to my potential
[21:55] <Obsidian1723> You could also develop. The big thing is: What can I do for YOU? This is what I can do, how I can do it, and more over, here is HOW I did it, WHEN and WHERE I did it in the past, and how I can do it and benefit you now.
[21:56] <kermit> ok
[21:56] <Obsidian1723> You mean you can do more than admin?
[21:56] <kermit> i mean i'm a coder at heart
[21:56] <kermit> particularly, algorithms
[21:56] <Obsidian1723> Well, admin and developers/programmers are a different breed. Admins want network security, and developers/programmers whine about it because it "breaks" their code so they want root access to get things to work.
[21:57] <kermit> and an understanding of the underlying hardware and OS to make efficient routines
[21:57] <Obsidian1723> Then you should code.
[21:58] <Obsidian1723> You wopnt be happy admining
[21:58] <kermit> the most ideal job i ever had was generating statistics on DNA sequences, which was computationally intensive and didn't fit in RAM so eliminated typically taught techniques of 'load, process, store'
[21:58] <kermit> Obsidian1723: well, i would be if what  most admins tell me is true, that they only really work 1/3 of the time ;)
[21:59] <Obsidian1723> haha not quite true.
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> 32 years experience eh?  Obsidian1723 is old.
[22:03] <kermit> if we divide my hours on a PC over 40, and count that as the number of weeks, i have that many ;)  but i'm only 34.
[22:05] <Obsidian1723> Started at age 11 in 1978.,
[22:05] <Obsidian1723> 43 now.,
[22:34] <kermit> Obsidian1723: are you old enough to look at moder cell "phones" and think "100 new features that will take months to learn wont make up for 1 feature i'm accustomed to in my 2003 phone" ? :)
[22:37] <Obsidian1723> yup
[22:38] <Obsidian1723> If I wan t Internet, I have a desktyop and laptop.
[22:38] <kermit> if i wanted internet, i'd have stayed home ;)
[22:38] <Obsidian1723> I want my phone to be a phone. Texting is going backwards.  :P
[23:20] <kermit> Takyoji: it's monthly, maybe next month then
[23:20] <Takyoji> ahh
[23:22] <kermit> Takyoji: so also is the 2600 meeting
[23:26] <kermit> both meet in or near downtown, which is ideal for me
[23:27] <kermit> downtown mpls
[23:45] <netbook> that sounds cool
[23:49] <kermit> mn2600 meetings get about a dozen people, dc612 had about 30
[23:49] <netbook> don't know much about penetration testing though
[23:49] <kermit> i've never heard anyone talk about that at either of those
[23:49] <netbook> one of my coworkers is working pen testing cell networks
[23:49] <netbook> maybe he will go
[23:51] <kermit> anyone who likes *nix fits in well at either, they usually arent actually penetration testing themed
[23:51] <kermit> back before people did financial transactoins online, that was just an ordinary part of the fun ;)
[23:52] <kermit> when 95% of the people on university servers were on stolen accounts


[23:18] <WatKykJy> I think the other planets. A Mars-sized object could be refilled. All you need to have optimism and think stale.
[23:32] <IdleOne> Even with context that would have made no sense