[11:48] <smitty> bob2 do I need to make any adjustments to what you typed? such as the cd drive?
[11:48] <no0tic> bob2: ehe
[11:48] <bob2> should just work
[11:50] <smitty> it's not
[11:50] <smitty> Don't forget to protect square brackets and preceeding hyphens from
[11:50] <smitty> the shell...
[11:50] <bob2> ok, that doesn't matter
[11:51] <bob2> in what way is it not working?
[11:54] <smitty> ok...it tells me it's an invalid option and once again says some shit about bugs
[11:55] <bob2> ok, again, that isn't helpful
[11:55] <bob2> I can't see your screen
[11:55] <bob2> paste the whole error, including the command you typed into #flood
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[11:58] <smitty> scsidev: '/dev/cdrom'
[11:58] <smitty> devname: '/dev/cdrom'
[11:58] <smitty> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[11:58] <smitty> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[11:58] <smitty> Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
[11:58] <smitty> Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'.
[11:58] <smitty> cdrecord: Warning: using unofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c      1.90 04/01/14 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling').
[11:58] <smitty> Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[11:58] <smitty> Version        : 0
[11:58] <smitty> Response Format: 1
[11:58] <smitty> Vendor_info    : 'LITE-ON '
[11:58] <smitty> Identifikation : 'LTR-12101B      '
[11:58] <smitty> Revision       : 'LS39'
[11:59] <smitty> Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
[11:59] <smitty> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
[11:59] <smitty> Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
[11:59] <smitty> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
[11:59] <smitty> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '2'.
[11:59] <smitty> roger@rogers:~ $ sudo cdparanoia dev=/dev/cdrom -audio *.wav
[11:59] <smitty> cdparanoia: invalid option -- u
[11:59] <smitty> cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
[11:59] <smitty> (C) 2001 Monty<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and Xiphophorus
[11:59] <bob2> dude
[11:59] <bob2> in #flood, not in here
[11:59] <bob2> and you didn't run the command I gave you
[12:00] <bob2> wait, my mistaked
[12:00] <bob2> sorry
[12:01] <bob2> 'sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -audio *.wav'.  but do not paste things in here again
[12:01] <smitty> sorry
[12:02] <smitty> i didn't know how to get to flood
[12:02] <techn9ne> /j #flood
[12:02] <no0tic> smitty: /join #flood
[12:03] <someonestolemyni> yoyoyoyoyo
[12:03] <techn9ne> is it possible to burn dvd's w/ cdrecord?
[12:03] <jamin_l> there's so much good stuff to browse through in SPM
[12:03] <someonestolemyni> its sad the only messages i get are from nickserv :(
[12:03] <bob2> jamin_l: 'SPM'?
[12:03] <jamin_l> Synaptic Package Manager
[12:04] <bob2> ah
[12:04] <HostingGeek> bob2: but #flood fwd here ;)
[12:04] <jamin_l> it's a good way to kill time while waiting for the time to take my pill :P
[12:05] <jamin_l> me braindead... what's the GUI client Ubuntu uses by default? KDE or Gnome?
[12:05] <bob2> the desktop environment is GNOME.
[12:06] <smitty> thanks..i made it to flood safely.
[12:06] <jamin_l> ok.. i know KDE exists... i couldn't remember which one this uses
[12:06] <no0tic> someonestolemyni: if someone stole you nick and you are a registered user you can kick him away
[12:06] <jamin_l> the problem with having used RH FC2 before & choosing between desktop environments
[12:06] <HostingGeek> jamesh: ubuntu == gnome | kubuntu == kde
[12:06] <techn9ne> kde is flashy, shiny, bouncy
[12:07] <jamin_l> thanks Hosting
[12:07] <techn9ne> gnome is simple & clean
[12:07] <HostingGeek> jamin_l:  ubuntu == gnome | kubuntu == kde
[12:08] <HostingGeek> kde is tring to copy windows but with out the windows look
[12:08] <HostingGeek> gnome is trying to be idiot proof
[12:08] <techn9ne> i think they're trying to copy osx
[12:08] <jamin_l> hrm... is there a way to put shortcuts in the Applications "start menu" thingie?
[12:08] <jamin_l> our sys tray is getting full of shortcuts as it is
[12:08] <dud>  /usr/share/applications/
[12:09] <techn9ne> nautilus :///applications
[12:09] <techn9ne> i think
[12:09] <jamin_l> how does one go about creating a shortcut anyhow?
[12:09] <bob2> smitty: you need to include the line where you typed the command, too
[12:10] <bob2> also, it just looks like the wavs are dude
[12:10] <bob2> jamin_l: applications:/// in nautilus
[12:11] <jamin_l> ok lol ... i managed to go to /usr/share/applications... how are shortcuts created?
[12:11] <dud> creating them by hand might be a bit more for the power user :) just do as bob2 said
[12:11] <dud> much easier
[12:12] <jamin_l> i don't know where nautilius is
[12:12] <techn9ne> i dont know what they're taking about... type this into command prompt
[12:12] <techn9ne> nautilus applications:///
[12:12] <techn9ne> right cik
[12:12] <techn9ne> create launcher
[12:13] <smitty> bob2 thanks for the help but i'm giving up. ..least for tonight. I'm not going to figure this our by myself and I'm not going to figure it out here.
[12:14] <Qo-noS> jamin_l: nautilus is your file manager in GNOME
[12:14] <techn9ne> he doesnt know / care what nautilus is 'cause it doesnt say 'nautilus' any where
[12:14] <bob2> smitty: ok
[12:14] <techn9ne> the only way you know you're using it is if you go Help->about
[12:15] <Qo-noS> tech9ne: *sigh*
[12:15] <no0tic> I've a problem with ntpdate: if I launch it manually it works fine, but during boot it fails
[12:15] <jamin_l> ok... that makes sense know that i know file manager = nautilus
[12:16] <techn9ne> every single window that shows directories or trash or whatever is nautilus
[12:16] <techn9ne> and the cd burning thing is nautilus too
[12:16] <techn9ne> but i think thats sorta ilrelevant
[12:16] <jamin_l> okay so the equivalent of Windows Explorer to Windows
[12:16] <techn9ne> sorta
[12:16] <techn9ne> yes
[12:17] <techn9ne> same purpose but functions differently
[12:17] <Vaportrail> Is it possible to rename the gnome menu itself? Applications and Computer, I want to delete the label: Applications, the gnome-icons suffices me
[12:21] <AndyFitz> anyone running scribus under fc3 ?
[12:21] <Xof> what is expected to break in hoary if the system locale is converted from iso-8859 to utf-8?
[12:21] <Xof> sorry, I mean warty
[12:21] <Xof> stable
[12:21] <scizzo> AndyFitz: fc3?
[12:22] <scizzo> AndyFitz: if you are asking about fedora core 3 here then you might want to try #redhat
[12:23] <techn9ne> or #fedora
[12:26] <jamin_l> SUCCESS! got that darned Java working!
[12:26] <techn9ne> cool
[12:27] <techn9ne> java's one of the harder things to setup
[12:27] <jamin_l> ood
[12:27] <mz2> i have to disagree with that
[12:27] <jamin_l> good then i'm glad i got it working
[12:27] <julien_> hi
[12:27] <techn9ne> mz2: for a newbie....
[12:27] <mz2> just download the j2se 5 .deb
[12:27] <jamin_l> my hubby who has more experience with Linux & is a programming geek was getting very frustrated with it
[12:27] <techn9ne> you can get java via apt-get ?
[12:27] <julien_> Since today, my ipw2200 wifi card doesn't work anymore.
[12:27] <julien_> It doesn't appear in network-admin
[12:28] <techn9ne> jamin_l: have you seen www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[12:28] <jamin_l> i have a spare network card my computer isn't using :)
[12:28] <jamin_l> yes
[12:28] <julien_> and sudo ifup eth1 gives: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[12:28] <mz2> yup, lemme see where it was again... i was really surprised too, after reading the howto from ubuntuguide, but yes, there's a deb of it
[12:28] <jamin_l> we're becoming good friends, tech
[12:28] <HostingGeek> Is anyone intrested to see ubuntu in shops?
[12:28] <HostingGeek> preinstall on computers
[12:28] <jamin_l> no not in shops but in computer repair stores
[12:28] <julien_> Please can anyone point me to how to configure a wireless card on Ubuntu ?
[12:29] <techn9ne> what type?
[12:29] <HostingGeek> daniels: here?
[12:29] <jamin_l> ok brb - have to go get my pills :)
[12:29] <julien_> Intel Centrino ipw2200
[12:29] <techn9ne> wireless + linux = not so great
[12:29] <techn9ne> ummm i dunno 'bout the centrino's..
[12:29] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: NOT TRUE
[12:29] <julien_> techn9ne: it was working perfectly until today...
[12:29] <mz2> julien, quite depends on the card if it's easy or not
[12:29] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: windows + wireless == nightmare
[12:30] <techn9ne> ???
[12:30] <techn9ne> in what way
[12:30] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: linux + wireless == out of order
[12:30] <mz2> oh, centrino, okay
[12:30] <julien_> mz2, techn9ne: what's really strange is that it just stopped working from yesterday and today. Is there a way to diagnostic the cause of it ?
[12:30] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: try and get wireless to work in windows and it still being safe?
[12:30] <techn9ne> umm just setup encryption
[12:31] <techn9ne> i dont know why it would be any more or less safe w/ linux
[12:31] <HostingGeek> HAHAHAHA
[12:31] <jamin_l> probably les safe with Windows
[12:31] <HostingGeek> do you ever read slashdot comments?
[12:31] <HostingGeek> jamin_l: PROBBLY? it is
[12:31] <jamin_l> i mean a computer in Windows is vulnerable to attack in the first 2 mins of it being online
[12:31] <scizzo> HostingGeek: you are actually listening to comments on slashdot?
[12:31] <jamin_l> yea blah... i just had to go over next door and fix their computer
[12:32] <techn9ne> are you rerferring to wireless and windows or windows in general?
[12:32] <techn9ne> any operating system can be either secure or insecure depending on the admin.
[12:32] <arago> hi all. Where i can change the icon's size ?
[12:32] <scizzo> people only complain at slashdot...
[12:32] <HostingGeek> scizzo: i read them i post them i get modded +1 funny 10 times and modded -1 11times...
[12:32] <jamin_l> i installed software firewall, antivirus, and SpyBot before this happed and they had a Trojan running about
[12:32] <scizzo> the only good parts with slashdot is the actual news
[12:32] <jamin_l> darned 12 year old girl insists on using the real MSN Messenger to chat with her friends so she can use the games that come with the MSN Messenger program
[12:33] <jamin_l> i would give anything to take the computer over to my place chuck on Ubuntu and throw it back at her
[12:33] <HostingGeek> currently slashdot posts news which is 3 years old and has been posted 3 years ago
[12:33] <techn9ne> i refuse to use wireless beacuse i believe its inheriently insecure
[12:33] <jamin_l> i already managed to convert the dad to Linux (and he basically is your standard uninformed computer user)
[12:33] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: wimax is not
[12:34] <techn9ne> i dont care if its running on openbsd
[12:34] <scizzo> well the comments IMHO are really stupid to read most of the time...all people do is complain
[12:34] <scizzo> nothing else
[12:34] <julien_> Please, anyone here can help me ?
[12:34] <scizzo> julien_: is the card found etc in dmesg?
[12:35] <HostingGeek> scizzo: ummm i see 10  comment here that are not complains
[12:35] <scizzo> julien_: have you looked at the syslog if there might be more information there?
[12:35] <bungle> question: I have an 8port switch, what is something which I can plug into 1 of the ports to make a wireless network
[12:35] <scizzo> HostingGeek: then you should look when we announce a new version of GIMP
[12:35] <jayakumar2> bungle, yes, an AP in bridge mode or adhoc
[12:35] <scizzo> HostingGeek: out of 100 comments...10 of those are nice ones
[12:35] <bungle> an AP ?
[12:35] <jamin_l> well i should head off to bed... i'll tackle my iPod issue in the morning or another time... how I'll make it through 8 hours at work without iPoddy is another question altogether
[12:35] <bungle> aport
[12:35] <bungle> air
[12:36] <jayakumar2> bungle, wireless access point
[12:36] <jayakumar2> bungle, i think dlink and linksys both sell bridge capable access points
[12:36] <HostingGeek> scizzo: WTF 10 out of 10 visable ones
[12:36] <julien_> scizzo: my card is found in dmesg: ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 0.11
[12:36] <julien_> ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation
[12:36] <bungle> so any wireless acess point should just plug into a switch
[12:36] <bungle> dlink yes I was just looking at them then
[12:36] <scizzo> julien_: hmmm...
[12:36] <julien_> scizzo: how can I check the syslog ?
[12:37] <julien_> scizzo: which file is it ?
[12:37] <scizzo> julien_: more /var/log/syslog
[12:37] <HostingGeek> scizzo: now can we cont. this on the offical #slashdot channel on irc.slashdot.org
[12:37] <julien_> scizzo: oh wait ! I found that in dmesg:
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: failed to register network device
[12:37] <julien_> ipw2200: probe of 0000:01:0d.0 failed with error -5
[12:37] <jayakumar2> bungle, in my setup, i have two rooms with normal switches. each room has an AP. one AP is set to normal router/wap. the other is set to bridge mode. this is how i have my wireless network
[12:38] <scizzo> HostingGeek: no thanks....I don't have anything against /. only the comments that are done at /.
[12:38] <bungle> http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=292 << one of those would od it hey???
[12:39] <scizzo> julien_: hmm...did you do any upgrades or something before it stoped working?
[12:39] <bungle> bridge mode
[12:39] <bungle> hrm once I fond something I'll have to sus out all out so I undertand it properly
[12:40] <jayakumar2> bungle, yeah, they list bridge mode in their product features so it should do the trick
[12:40] <julien_> scizzo: I'm running hoary, and I upgrade it daily, so I guess I did.
[12:40] <julien_> scizzo: but I'm not sure which packages I updated...
[12:41] <bungle> ok n dlink have a usb lan adapter which should plug into my g3
[12:41] <bungle> considering thwy dont ake airport cards anymore ... n it's cheaper to buy a new usb thing rather than a 2nd hand airport card
[12:42] <scizzo> julien_: I am not completely sure what happened
[12:42] <scizzo> julien_: but those errors aren't (In my eyes) good
[12:42] <scizzo> it finds the card but can't load things completely
[12:43] <bungle> http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=175 <, n one of those
[12:44] <bungle> then I should have my network setup all wikid
[12:44] <julien_> OK, I'll try to find a new firmware, and see what it does...
[12:44] <julien_> Thanks
[12:47] <arago> hi all. Where i can change the desktop icon's size ?
[12:48] <seb128> in the nautilus properties, but that's the same size as for nautilus
[12:48] <seb128> or you can right click on them to resize an icon
[12:50] <arago> seb128, thanks... I was looking for size but in nautilus call it with zoom ... but it's just what i need :)
[12:53] <arago> uh seb128 u know where gnome associate the file type with application ? I use gmplayer becouse totem dosn't work at all ... but a dbl click open totem ...
[12:53] <hikaru79> I have a Windows-formatted floppy disk that I simply *MUST* access from Linux... is there any software that allows you to read windows-formatted floppies? x_x
[12:53] <arago> hikaru79, just mount your floppy
[12:53] <mjg59> hikaru79: It should just work
[12:53] <seb128> arago: totem works fine (totem-xine)
[12:54] <arago> not for my laptop (i think it's i810 vga card)
[12:54] <hikaru79> It says "Could not determine filesystem type" =S
[12:54] <seb128> arago: if that's a video driver issue mplayer will not work better
[12:54] <seb128> arago: BTW right click in nautilus on a file with the mimetype you want to change, properties, "open with" tab and pick the default here
[12:55] <arago> seb128, if i play some divx or avi with totem i got a blue screen or black. Sometimes i got image in the left part of screen
[12:55] <arago> with gmplayer i see just fine.
[12:55] <arago> thanks for the nautilus tip)
[12:56] <seb128> perhaps that's an option to pass to the video driver :)
[12:56] <arago> i googled a while but don't find nothing
[12:57] <MM2> Can ubuntu be installed directly from USB memory stick?
[12:57] <MM2> in some minimal way?
[12:57] <arago> seb128, and i'm not sure it's a video driver issue.
[12:58] <seb128> arago: totem doesn't do the rendering, it uses the video driver, that's a xfree issue
[12:59] <mjr> arago, hm, tried quitting totem and restarting?
[12:59] <arago> seb128, gmplayer does the rendering ? if not why gmplayer works ?
[01:00] <mjr> with some video drivers there was that kind of a problem with the XVideo system
[01:00] <arago> mjr, at least 4 time a day i restart ... :(
[01:00] <seb128> arago: probably because it doesn't use the same output .. do you use the xv extension ?
[01:00] <arago> in totem ?
[01:00] <seb128> both
[01:00] <seb128> what output in totem and gmplayer ?
[01:00] <mjr> gmplayer might just use even XVideo a bit differently without triggering the bu
[01:00] <mjr> g
[01:01] <arago> totem blue or black screen video
[01:01] <arago> gmplayer just the video ...
[01:03] <seb128> arago: all the totem options are in ~/.gnome2/totem_config and you have a gconf key /apps/totem/debug
[01:03] <arago> wait i connect the usb disk and try some video with both player and xv ... if i find where is it
[01:03] <seb128> BTW I've to go for lunch, later
[01:03] <arago> bye seb128
[01:10] <arago> noway, totem show two black lines with a dark blue and no image
[01:46] <gioeleb> hi
[01:47] <pakk\e> howdy
 can anyone ping this server <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:47] <pdkl> hi!
[01:48] <no0tic> HostingGeek: yes
[01:48] <no0tic> HostingGeek: 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=199 ms
[01:49] <HostingGeek> i just want to know if its alive
[01:49] <no0tic> HostingGeek: you couldn't control by yourself?
[01:49] <BockBilbo> hey again
[01:49] <gioeleb> Will next ubuntu fully udev/hal-based? or there will still be init.d scripts around for net and other devices?
[01:50] <HostingGeek> no0tic: well the main backhual in australia firewalls off 79.* and now i now 72.*
[01:50] <HostingGeek> *know
[01:51] <no0tic> HostingGeek: what's bakhual?
[01:52] <HostingGeek> heh in other words the main connection link from australia to everywhere else like the usa
[01:58] <no0tic> HostingGeek: and it blocks any connection with 79.*?
[01:58] <no0tic> HostingGeek: why?
[01:58] <HostingGeek> no0tic: EVIL
[01:59] <HostingGeek> and now 72.*
[01:59] <no0tic> HostingGeek: and you australians can't do anything?
[01:59] <HostingGeek> use proxies
[01:59] <HostingGeek> hey there are good reason why its firewalled off
[02:00] <no0tic> HostingGeek: like?
[02:00] <bob2> er, I'm pretty sure cross-pacific transit aren't blocking random /8's
[02:00] <HostingGeek> it use to be a old private range
[02:01] <HostingGeek> bob2: you want proof
[02:01] <HostingGeek> savis network admin has emailed optus about it and i happened to get my server in the 79.* range
[02:01] <bob2> well, maybe, but 72/8 is ARIN netspace now
[02:01] <bob2> so I really really really really doubt it's being completely dropped
[02:03] <HostingGeek> well its still firewalled off and i can give you access to 2 servers in that ip range right now to mess with and test it your self
[02:04] <bob2> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=45 time=219 ms
[02:04] <bob2> someone's lying to you.
[02:04] <bob2> I can ping it fine from two different machines in .au
[02:04] <bob2> and two different ones outside .au
[02:07] <CdC> I have just installed ubuntu om my laptop. looks great, but the network is not working anymore, and the network configuration tool is not able to fix it. I'm behind a firewall and the network uses DHCP
[02:08] <CdC> any tip on how to solve the problem?
[02:08] <zenrox> CdC, wifi
[02:08] <CdC> nope
[02:08] <zenrox> ??
[02:08] <CdC> regular lan
[02:08] <zenrox> hmm
[02:08] <zenrox> ubuntu should detect the dhcp
[02:09] <CdC> and it said so during the install, but now it's dead
[02:09] <zenrox> hmm
[02:09] <zenrox> can you make it a static ip
[02:09] <zenrox> ?
[02:09] <CdC> nope, not allowed (with unsupportet OS) on the network
[02:10] <bob2> what doesn't work?
[02:10] <bob2> you can't get a dhcp lease?
[02:10] <CdC> DHCP
[02:10] <CdC> the configuration tool see the network card, but I can not activate it
[02:11] <CdC> it worked perfectly before (with fedora)
[02:11] <zenrox> and during the install right?
[02:12] <CdC> I dunno, I don't think I downloaded anything during the install... but during the installation the interface was reported OK
[02:12] <bob2> so it associates but you can't get a lease?
[02:12] <zenrox> so then it worked during the install
[02:13] <CdC> bob2: yes, guess so
[02:13] <CdC> zenox: yes
[02:13] <CdC> zenrox
[02:13] <zenrox> hmm that odd
[02:13] <CdC> sorry :-)
[02:13] <CdC> youp
[02:14] <CdC> I'll hava a look in the /etc/network/interfaces files to see what it says...
[02:20] <CdC> gave me no clue... just that the card seems to be configurated for dhcp
[02:25] <HostingGeek> bob2: then you bw is not from optus
[02:26] <HostingGeek> bob2: you want access to 1 server in the 72.range? i got access to one now and can get you access to some other later
[02:26] <bob2> 22:50:43    HostingGeek |  no0tic: well the main backhual in australia firewalls off 79.* and now i now 72.*
[02:26] <HostingGeek> you can do a tcptraceroute from that ip to see it ends at optus
[02:27] <HostingGeek> yes the southerncross is the main provider which is mostly own by optus
[02:28] <HostingGeek> and my isp exetel.com.au get there bw from them and powertel (and powertel get it from optus -_-)
[02:29] <Guardiann> good morning people
[02:29] <bob2> anyway
[02:40] <CdC> dhclient -p eth0 did the trix
[02:40] <CdC> I stil don't understand why it didn't work in the first place...
[02:41] <lerio> hi everybody! there are 3 bugs on my hoary. who wants to help me understand/resolve those problems? ;)
[02:41] <souki> CdC: I had the same problem
[02:42] <CdC> do you have to run this command every time you boot to start the network?
[02:42] <CdC> or does it just magically work now?
[02:42] <souki> CdC: no, I set it under gnome
[02:43] <CdC> how?
[02:43] <GeBo> CdC: Do you have more than one networkinterface?
[02:43] <CdC> node, just one
[02:43] <GeBo> strange...
[02:44] <CdC> yes really strange
[02:44] <CdC> first time I see anything like this, all other distros I've tried on the box have worked out of the box
[02:45] <Guardiann> cdc your using warty right
[02:45] <GeBo> I never have that problem in Ubuntu
[02:45] <CdC> Guardiann: yes
[02:45] <GeBo> And I installed it like 4 times
[02:46] <Guardiann> yeah mine worked great right from the start
[02:46] <GeBo> mine too
[02:46] <souki> CdC: I had the same prob, live-cd ok with network, but first boot no network
[02:46] <GeBo> I've tried Hoary for a few weeks, came screeming back to Warty
[02:47] <souki> CdC: did you try to set the network under gnome ?
[02:47] <Guardiann> GeBo problems i take it
[02:47] <GeBo> yep
[02:47] <Guardiann> :)
[02:47] <GeBo> dependency sh*t andso
[02:48] <GeBo> lerio: what problems do you have?
[02:49] <HostingGeek> everyone we will soon see nvu packages hopefully in universe
[02:49] <LeChux> Got problem with getting Ubuntu to boot on my laptop. I have'nt installed it and it seems like I can't use my cd-drive to boot from. So I guess that I need a ubuntu boot floppy.. But can I do it from windows?
[02:49] <GeBo> Ow, btw, today I found out how to be able to use the Print Screen key
[02:49] <aaroncuk> hey guys.  anyone got any clues what version of skype i need for ubuntu
[02:50] <GeBo> aaroncuk: just use the latest
[02:50] <aaroncuk> http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/
[02:50] <GeBo> they work for me
[02:50] <aaroncuk> its got loads of versions, im a newbie and dont know which lol
[02:50] <GeBo> use the tar.gz
[02:50] <aaroncuk> theres a tar.bz2?
[02:50] <tritium> GeBo, what dependency problems did you have?
[02:51] <GeBo> aaroncuk: sorry, that one yes
[02:51] <CdC> souki: nope, I just used the defoult network setup tool from the menu
[02:51] <souki> aaroncuk: dynamic tar bz2 (qt-3.2) works for me on a warty
[02:52] <GeBo> aaroncuk: you can extract it with Nautilus, where you want and start by clicking on the appropriate icon
[02:52] <CdC> I'm just worried that I have to add something somewhere to have the network working next time I boot the computer
[02:52] <GeBo> tritium: sorry, too long ago ;)
[02:53] <tritium> GeBo, okay.  Wish we could have helped...
[02:53] <aaroncuk> cool will do that now, thanks guys
[02:53] <LeChux> Can I make a "boot floopy" for ubuntu using windows?
[02:53] <GeBo> but lerio got 3 bugs he wishes to tackle
[02:53] <GeBo> aaroncuk: succes
[02:55] <tritium> lerio, tell us what your 3 problems are
[02:55] <GeBo> LeChux: what kind of floppy do you wish to make?
[02:56] <LeChux> Gebo: A floopy that starts the install of ubuntu or something
[02:56] <dud> theres a floppy/network install guide on the wiki i think
[02:56] <aaroncuk> right ive extracted it lol.. and i cant get passed there
[02:56] <LeChux> dud: But it dosent say anything about making them in windows, i think
[02:57] <dud> download rawrite
[02:57] <souki> aaroncuk: do you have libqt-3.2 ?
[02:57] <dud> assuming its a floppy image...
[02:57] <GeBo> LeChux: can't you just download the iso?
[02:57] <LeChux> GeBo: iso? :/ sry, newbie
[02:58] <souki> aaroncuk: did you try to launch ./skype on a console ?
[02:58] <GeBo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[02:58] <LeChux> GeBo: Ow, that ISO. But I got that CD. But I can't launch it
[02:59] <GeBo> LeChux: maybe you need to adjust the Bios, so your computer can start from a CD
[02:59] <dud> also, make sure you didnt just write the iso file itself to a cd, but as an actual iso image
[03:00] <GeBo> good point
[03:00] <aaroncuk> no souki..will try now
[03:00] <LeChux> GeBo: I've tried. But it dosen't work... I don't know why... Think there's something wrong with my bios
[03:00] <souki> aaroncuk: I remeber now, I've installed libqt3c102-mt
[03:00] <tritium> LeChux, how old is the computer?
[03:00] <LeChux> dud: Yeah.. But I got the "original"-cd sent to me.
[03:01] <dud> ah, ok
[03:01] <LeChux> tritium: Hrm.. Like 1999 I think... And old laptop
[03:01] <LeChux> I got it for free
[03:01] <LeChux> -d
[03:01] <tritium> I suppose that's old enough that it may not be able to boot from CD.
[03:01] <GeBo> 1999: should not be a problem, i think
[03:01] <dud> gnome might be slow on an 1999'ish laptop
[03:02] <tritium> Almost all modern BIOSes can, though.
[03:03] <LeChux> And therefor.. I thought there maybe is an bootfloppy-thingie that makes me able to boot from a CD
[03:03] <dud> well, if i were you, id get rawrite and make a floppy image
[03:03] <dud> then try booting with that
[03:04] <LeChux> dud: I'll sure try that :) Thank you
[03:04] <dud> just be prepared to download like, 500MB or more from the internet heh
[03:05] <GeBo> But the advantage is, you don't need to upgrade :P
[03:05] <dud> true hehe
[03:05] <LeChux> But why would I need to download stuff?
[03:06] <dud> with 4.10 warty, the first time you run upgrade it fetches like 250MB anyhow
[03:06] <LeChux> Ow.. Ok :P
[03:06] <dud> because a small floppy can only take 1,44MB... and there's no way you can fit a fully graphical and functional linux distrobution on that
[03:06] <GeBo> dud: where can rawrite be downloaded? Is there a special version for Warty?
[03:07] <HostingGeek> This is impossible
[03:07] <LeChux> No, I understand that :P But I already got that free ubuntu cd
[03:07] <HostingGeek> MY system crashed
[03:07] <HostingGeek> but thats because my cpu got tooooooo hot
[03:07] <dud> rawrite should be easily found through google id imagine
[03:08] <GeBo> LeChux: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271262
[03:08] <dud> http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/rawrite.html for instance
[03:09] <LeChux> GeBo: Thank you so much... sry to bother you :\
[03:10] <GeBo> dud: but where do you get the content for that disk?
[03:11] <GeBo> (the image)
[03:12] <dud> GeBo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[03:13] <GeBo> LeChux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/SmartBootManagerHowto/
[03:13] <GeBo> dud: thanks
[03:14] <LeChux> Thanks GeBo and dud :)
[03:14] <djtansey> does anyone know what "Current sda: sense key No Sense" in dmesg means? i'm getting it a lot while using my external usb drive (also having problems mounting my ext3 as a ext3. have to do ext2. dmesg complains "EXT3-fs: journal inode is deleted.") any guesses?
[03:16] <dud> is it even possible to mount a ext3 partition as ext2?
[03:16] <dud> id imagine that would fuck up the whole file allocation table...
[03:17] <GeBo> i think so too
[03:17] <GeBo> the journaling is required, I think
[03:17] <GeBo> (in EXT3 that is)
[03:17] <dud> yeah, but the fundamentals are totally different too afaik
[03:18] <dud> i cant imagine its possible to force that...
[03:18] <GeBo> I would NOT write on that disk, if I were you
[03:18] <GeBo> EXT3 = EXT2 with journaling system
[03:19] <GeBo> So, I don't think it's fundamentally different
[03:20] <GeBo> djtansey: (my guess) maybe you can mount an EXT3 fs as a EXT2, but probably only as read-only.
[03:21] <GeBo> and mayby that causes the problem with sda too
[03:23] <St0n3-C0l> can i add debian soures in Synaptic ??
[03:23] <froust> St0n3-C0l: how do you mean?
[03:24] <St0n3-C0l> froust: I mean there are some old versions in Ubuntu's sources
[03:24] <froust> are you using warty or hoary?
[03:24] <St0n3-C0l> warty
[03:24] <froust> ahh
[03:24] <GeBo> St)n3-C0l: I would NOT suggest that. I've tried it once, and fucked up my system
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> Using Debian-Based systems for first time
[03:25] <St0n3-C0l> GeBo: I am downloading latest gaim from debian.org :P
[03:25] <froust> St0n3-C0l: I upgraded to hoary last night and got all new software, but from what i remember, most of warty's stuff was pretty old
[03:25] <froust> you might consider going to hoary.
[03:26] <GeBo> St0n3-C0l: why don't you stick with universe multiverse?
[03:26] <GeBo> just to have the latest?
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> In Synaptic ?
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> I've enabled that
[03:26] <St0n3-C0l> too
[03:27] <Guardiann> froust isnt hoary still in testing and a little bit of trouble
[03:27] <froust> Guardiann: Yeah, hoary is the unstable one
[03:28] <froust> it seems fairly stable tho
[03:28] <Guardiann> yeah thats what I thought :)
[03:28] <Guardiann> really everything works??
[03:28] <HostingGeek> warty is frozzen
[03:28] <l0gistic> im missing some bluetooth files, bluetooth.h, hci.h and hci_lib.h, does anyone know where i could get them?
[03:28] <GeBo> froust: you just installed last night, and allready advising to install it?
[03:28] <froust> i just installed it last night, and haven't had any problems so far.
[03:28] <froust> GeBo: I"m not advising anything
[03:28] <HostingGeek> if you want newer files move to a non forzzen distro like hoary
[03:29] <froust> He asked how he can get the new software
[03:29] <froust> I told him that most of warty's stuff is out of date
[03:29] <GeBo> As I said earlier, I came screeming back from Hoary to Warty
[03:29] <froust> why?
[03:29] <GeBo> lots of dependency problems
[03:30] <froust> hrm.
[03:30] <GeBo> luckily no segmentation faults, but thats probably the power of a debian-based distro
[03:31] <GeBo> what I did like about Hoary, however, was Xorg... I would like to have that back...
[03:31] <froust> i'm fairly new to it... still getting used to everythign
[03:32] <GeBo> Well, for me it's some months ago, maybe they solved some issues
[03:33] <St0n3-C0l> Gebo: Now here Synaptic is showing xchat's latest version 2.0.8 :P
[03:33] <froust> I have an amd64 and it's working rather nicely with it
[03:33] <tseng> anyone know offhand if imap subscriptions are broken in hoary evo?
[03:34] <Guardiann> i will be back shortly :)
[03:34] <GeBo> l0gistic: I've used bluez in Fedora Core 2
[03:36] <GeBo> LOL, yeah, use the latest stuff!
[03:37] <froust> i don't know if i like the way ubuntu distributes software
[03:37] <GeBo> what?
[03:37] <GeBo> apt-get is THE way
[03:37] <froust> no no
[03:37] <froust> i like apt-get
[03:38] <froust> like how all warty's software is out of date
[03:38] <GeBo> What do you mean than?
[03:38] <froust> have to use unstable to get the new stuff
[03:38] <GeBo> ah so
[03:38] <GeBo> have you ever looked to Debian software?
[03:38] <GeBo> Than you're talking old
[03:38] <herman_> froust, i don't think its that much out of date
[03:38] <GeBo> my neither
[03:39] <dud> hmm, dist-upgrade broke my k3b install
[03:39] <dud> infact, it seems to have removed both k3blibs and k3b...
[03:41] <froust> meh... i'm liking ubuntu so far... the sudo thing takes some getting used to
[03:41] <GeBo> k3b... that I really missed in the beginning
[03:41] <froust> k3b = ?
[03:41] <GeBo> now using mkisofs and growisofs
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> cd writing software
[03:42] <froust> ahh
[03:42] <GeBo> k3b = burning software
[03:42] <froust> haven't tried burning cds yet
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> k3b is probably the closest thing to nero in linux
[03:42] <flodin> what do i need to do to get rhythmbox to accept mp3s?
[03:42] <GeBo> cdrecord cdrdao growisofs
[03:42] <flodin> it says the mp3 format is not supported when i try to load mp3s
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> gstreamer-mad
[03:42] <froust> and it doesn't work with ubuntu?
[03:42] <randabis-wireles> nah k3b works fine
[03:42] <GeBo> flodin: gstreamer-mad
[03:43] <flodin> ok installing, thanks
[03:43] <randabis-wireles> np
[03:43] <GeBo> oops, loo late
[03:43] <randabis-wireles> don't worry about it
[03:44] <GeBo> froust: sudo... I always use root terminal
[03:45] <froust> yeah, but i'm used to typing su -
[03:45] <froust> it's nothing major, just a little quirk
[03:45] <GeBo> in root terminal you can set a password for root ;)
[03:45] <GeBo> so you can use su -
[03:45] <flodin> hm it still says "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file" after installing gstreamer-mad and restarting rhythmbox
[03:45] <sladen> or you can just use sudo!
[03:45] <GeBo> it should even be possible with sudo
[03:45] <GeBo> indeed
[03:45] <GeBo> :P
[03:46] <sladen> flodin: mp3 is nuff illegal, Ubuntu can't ship it by default
[03:46] <randabis-wireles> you don't even need to do that since there's already a root terminal launcher in applications
[03:46] <flodin> illegal? How so?
[03:47] <GeBo> flodin: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad? use that one
[03:47] <tritium> the codec is patented
[03:47] <froust> randabis-wireles: i know you can get to root
[03:47] <froust> it's just different :P
[03:47] <tritium> you have to pay royalties to use it
[03:47] <topyli> tritium: no you don't
[03:47] <flodin> tritium: well isn't it up to the guy who writes Mad to take care of any patent fees
[03:47] <wood1> Hi all , great to be back
[03:48] <randabis-wireles> welcome
[03:48] <topyli> tritium: you have to pay if you "make a device" which  creates mp3s
[03:48] <GeBo> Hi wood1
[03:48] <wood1> So Ubuntu own 3 majar awards
[03:48] <wood1> Hi
[03:48] <flodin> GeBo: ok, trying
[03:48] <GeBo> Arstechnica
[03:49] <topyli> wood1: which awards? "just working", "fixing debian" and what else ;)
[03:49] <GeBo> Well, when you live in the Netherlands, you don't care about legal or illegal
[03:49] <tritium> why not?
[03:50] <GeBo> you just don't :P
[03:50] <topyli> it runs deep in the culture :)
[03:50] <flodin> yay works
[03:50] <GeBo> :D
[03:50] <tritium> does that apply to U.N. resolutions, etc?
[03:50] <GeBo> flodin: congrats
[03:50] <froust> i want ati to release their damn linux driverws
[03:50] <GeBo> (c)
[03:51] <GeBo> froust: ahum look at the topic
[03:51] <GeBo> :P
[03:51] <neonx> hii =]
[03:51] <froust> I'm in BitchX
[03:51] <froust> haven't quite figured out all the commands
[03:51] <neonx> somebody can help me.... well... i have a wifi card. but the driver not is in the pcmcia driver =p
[03:51] <dkg> hi!
[03:51] <neonx> how can i install it? i'm in livecd...
[03:52] <dkg> I've installed ubuntu.
[03:52] <dkg> afterwards windows.
[03:52] <froust> yay :0
[03:52] <topyli> GeBo: i don't think that qualifies as an "ati vs. nvidia flamewar"
[03:52] <dkg> now the bootloader is away.
[03:52] <dkg> how can I reactivate crux?
[03:52] <froust> if that's the topic, then i dont' think it does either
[03:52] <dkg> s/crux/grub/
[03:52] <froust> dkg: what did you install last? windows or linux?
[03:52] <dkg> I know how to do this with lilo. But I don't know how to do it with grub.
[03:52] <dkg> froust: windows of course.
[03:53] <dkg> froust: otherwise the mbr would be right :)
[03:53] <wood1> ars technica awards
[03:53] <topyli> dkg: man grub-install
[03:53] <froust> dkg: so your grub menu isn't showing up? or isn't showing the right choices?
[03:53] <wood1> My Ubuntu system is getting slower each passing day
[03:53] <neonx> ?
[03:53] <dkg> its not showing up.
[03:54] <froust> hrmm
[03:54] <froust> i know how to tweak the menu - i don't know how to make the rest of it work... mine showed up without any hitches after install - i just had to add windows to it
[03:54] <wood1> Can somebody tell me why there are now 2 Ubuntu-686 boot options in GRUB instead of just 1 ?
[03:54] <tritium> GeBo, your earlier statement is still bothering me
[03:54] <GeBo> topyli: i was just teasing
[03:55] <froust> wood1: you mean the recovery and normal?
[03:55] <flodin> tritium: laws aren't the same across all of the world. Actually, in europe, patents on software are still illegal
[03:55] <flodin> and i hope they remain that way
[03:55] <randabis-wireles> wood1, probably updated your kernel image
[03:55] <wood1> No with the recovery and normal, there are 4 options
[03:55] <randabis-wireles> it means you have 2 different kernels installed
[03:55] <tritium> flodin, he mentioned not caring about legality
[03:56] <wood1> Well there was only 1 option before
[03:56] <randabis-wireles> grub-update must have been run and found another kernel
[03:56] <topyli> GeBo: well see, i'm not too bright :)
[03:58] <wood1> Well how do I remove the same kernel from the system
[03:58] <wood1> It's the same kernel
[03:58] <GeBo> dkg: are you able to get into linux?
[03:59] <wood1> How can I remove the kernels from the GRUB menu and also from the system
[04:00] <GeBo> wood1: don't know. with apt-get remove?
[04:00] <froust> wood1: don't know about the kernels, but you can edit the menu in your /boot/grub/grub.conf
[04:00] <tritium> wood1, apt-get remove them, or dpkg deinstall or purge, or use synaptic
[04:01] <GeBo> froust: but when you install a new kernel, all the old ones also come back
[04:01] <Ear3ndil> hi
[04:01] <tritium> froust, don't edit your menu.lst.  uninstall the kernel packages, and update-grub will be run to change your menu
[04:02] <froust> Tritoch|L: didin't know that... the only think i knew was that he can manually change the menu
[04:02] <froust> tritium, rather
[04:02] <tritium> he can, but that will leave the kernels installed
[04:02] <froust> tritium: i know that - he'd have to remove the kernels another way
[04:03] <GeBo> I would go for apt-get remove
[04:03] <randabis-wireles> you can remove them from /boot if you are adventurous
[04:03] <froust> i would listen to what everyone else says
[04:03] <randabis-wireles> then remove their modules from /lib/modules
[04:04] <tritium> i like to purge all files
[04:04] <tritium> randabis-wireles, that would leave broken packages
[04:05] <GeBo> yes, as root, go to / and type rm -Rf *
[04:05] <skreet> Okay I have a problem. I installed XP on /dev/sdb1 (50.0GB NTFS) /dev/sdb2 is a 30 GB fat32 partition with NO os, /dev/sda is formatted entirely for ubuntu.  GRUB tried to boot (hd1,1) [the fat partition]  and fails. I set it to root (hd1,0) and it says partition type is unknown. Anyknow know what I should do? If i reinstall windows it's going to erase my bootloader than I'll have to reinstall ubuntu and be in the same boat... Any advise?
[04:05] <randabis-wireles> remove the broken ones :p
[04:05] <tritium> wood1, apt-get remove --purge
[04:05] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> HOW to set VPI and VCI in ubuntu?????
[04:05] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> please
[04:05] <tritium> then the package you want to remove
[04:05] <skreet> Nevermind
[04:06] <skreet> Winodws put the NTFS in a logical partition, it's sdb5 for no reason..
[04:06] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> don't use ntfs use fat which is linux compatible...
[04:06] <GeBo> skreet: ise rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[04:06] <GeBo> ise=use
[04:07] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> skreet: use fat which is linux compatible not ntfs!
[04:07] <randabis-wireles> ntfs is compatible...not completely, but it suffices
[04:07] <randabis-wireles> there's limited write support for it too
[04:07] <GeBo> ntfs is no problem to boot from
[04:08] <randabis-wireles> FAT is a crap FS anyway...I'd never use that
[04:08] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> gebo: Yes sure but you can't edit properly if anything fails....
[04:08] <GeBo> to boot Windows XP: rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1
[04:08] <GeBo> that's all that's needed
[04:08] <froust> what does the rootnoverify do?
[04:08] <randabis-wireles> I suppose it doesn't verify roo
[04:08] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> FAT is not a Crap... it has no known security bug while instead NTFS has (search google)
[04:08] <randabis-wireles> t
[04:08] <GeBo> not verifying filesystem :P
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> FAT fragments so easily and can become corrupted much easier than NTFS
[04:09] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Well use what you want but Fat is opensourced while NTFS is secretly kept by Windows
[04:09] <skreet> GeBo, Okay, Also, windows put a logical, then calle dit partition 5 :\
[04:09] <GeBo> skreet: for me that worked everytime
[04:09] <skreet> FAT isnt opensourced
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> I don't use either
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> I'm native linux
[04:09] <skreet> It's just easily cracked.
[04:09] <skreet> NTFS is *secure*
[04:10] <skreet> It wouldent be secure if they told everyone how to use it. :D
[04:10] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Fat is well known by linux (its not opensource sure)
[04:10] <randabis-wireles> mainly because it's older than dirt
[04:10] <skreet> Also, I cant have a 50 GB FAT partition ;)
[04:10] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Never mind you use windows I bet!!!!!
[04:10] <tritium> skreet, use whichever FS you want.  It's your machine after all.
[04:10] <randabis-wireles> no...I don't...
[04:10] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> windows people ike the latest crap!!!
[04:11] <wezzer> http://vekkis.sytes.net/~wezzer/aibo.mov
[04:11] <randabis-wireles> don't be a zealot
[04:11] <BockBilbo> hello there again
[04:11] <wezzer> have you seen this?
[04:11] <randabis-wireles> windows has its uses, as does linux
[04:11] <froust> windows is nice for gaming
[04:11] <skreet> Haha.
[04:11] <froust> that's the only reason i have a windows partition.
[04:11] <randabis-wireles> yeah, but linux is getting better
[04:11] <skreet> "I r h8 wind0ze cuz it'z c00l to h4t eit!!"
[04:11] <GeBo> froust: me too :)
[04:12] <tritium> Yeah, but who has time for gaming?
[04:12] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Well only one insolent windows user can say that fat is crap....!
[04:12] <skreet> I need windows for gaming actually, I prefer linux. But I woudlent recomend linux for many people.
[04:12] <skreet> FAT is crap.
[04:12] <skreet> Make it two.
[04:12] <randabis-wireles> I had a windows partition on the main box...I got rid of it finally
[04:12] <skreet> Windows is easy-to-use, so it's not *bad*
[04:12] <skreet> You either get features and confiuability or ease of use.
[04:12] <randabis-wireles> IRC, I said it is crap because it is technically inferior to journaling file systems such as NTFS, Ext3, Reiser, JFS, etc
[04:12] <skreet> There really isnt a meeting point.
[04:13] <randabis-wireles> that's why FAT is crap
[04:13] <skreet> Agreeds
[04:13] <skreet> Well I have to reboot and test this grub out
[04:13] <skreet> If it works, it's gaming time.
[04:13] <skreet> Thanks guys
[04:13] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Surely FAt is inferior to ext2 but NTFS is unrecognized by linux and noone can say if it is better except microsoft!
 I'm native linux
[04:14] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> do you believe microsoft?
 I had a windows partition on the main box...I got rid of it finally
[04:14] <wood1> So just: apt-get remove linux-686 will do the trick
[04:14] <GeBo> ahum
[04:14] <crimsun> ntfs can be read reliably. ntfs can be written with captive.
[04:14] <IRCMonkeyjkhklhj> Anyway anyone nows hot to change VPI and VCI in ubuntu please?
[04:15] <zerok> hi there :-)
[04:15] <GeBo> wood1: i wouldn't do that
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> GeBo your point?
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> my laptop is native linux
[04:15] <zerok> stupid question: was python perhaps compiled without multithreading support in warty?
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> and my main box is finally
[04:15] <GeBo> you said: I am
[04:15] <randabis-wireles> well, I am
[04:15] <GeBo> not: My laptop is
[04:15] <wood1> Well I don't want 2 686 boot options in my GRUB menu and taking the disk space
[04:15] <tritium> wood1, only uninstall the kernels you don't want.  Be sure to leave yourself a working kernel installed.
[04:16] <randabis-wireles> GeBo, my main box is too...it used to run both, but now it doesn't
[04:16] <wood1> Well the problem is that the 2 Kernels are exactly the same !!!!!
[04:16] <crimsun> zerok: as in 'thread' or 'threading'?
[04:16] <tritium> wood1, the versions must be different
[04:16] <wood1> It is the same
[04:16] <tritium> wood1, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:16] <wood1> Well the test in the GRUB Menu is the same
[04:17] <tritium> look at the 3rd column
[04:17] <zerok> crimsun, well, threading.Thread seems to be blocking here
[04:17] <dud> argh
[04:17] <dud> "k3blibs: Depends on: libflac++2c102 but isnt installable"
[04:17] <dud> the joy
[04:17] <tritium> then apt-get remove a specific linux-image-
[04:17] <dud> to think that less than 6 hours ago my k3b was installed and working
[04:17] <tritium> but don't remove linux-686
[04:18] <neofeed> doth anyone have tha orinoco_cs module with tha scanning patch for kernel 2.6.10 ?
[04:18] <randabis-wireles> maybe incompatible repositories?
[04:18] <crimsun> dud: it simply needs to be recompiled against a versioned libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3)
[04:18] <tritium> neofeed, dost thou?
[04:18] <dud> crimsun, hmm? what does... please explain a bit closer
[04:19] <neofeed> tritium, why would I ask?
[04:19] <skreet> Okay that didnt work
[04:19] <skreet> Any other ideas?
[04:19] <kosmonautti> How to fix this problem: "powernow-k8: BIOS Error: numpst must be 1" ?
[04:19] <GeBo> skreet: it didn't work?
[04:19] <dud> crimsun, can i help with this? or is it in the workings atm?
[04:19] <St0n3-C0l> are there any Ubuntu softs sites like freshrpms.net for fc3 :p
[04:19] <skreet> GoBo: Nope :\
[04:19] <tritium> neofeed, I just liked your choice of words
[04:19] <skreet> Just sat there after selecting hte option..
[04:20] <skreet> It is wierd that I have sdb5 as my ntfs, then sdb2 as my fat..
[04:20] <neofeed> tritium, just read too much shakespear ...
[04:20] <wood1> tritium, there are so many kernels
[04:20] <GeBo> skreet: what are your exact commands to start Windows XP?
[04:20] <skreet> pulling thuem up now
[04:20] <neofeed> (my native language equals what they call german)
[04:20] <crimsun> dud: as part of the FLAC 1.1.0->1.1.1 transition, the soname was incremented because of major fixes and API change. Thus libflac++4 obsoletes libflac++2c102; libflac++4 needs libflac6, however, and libflac6 obsoletes and conflicts with libflac4.
[04:21] <skreet> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[04:21] <skreet> rootnoverify    (hd1,4)
[04:21] <skreet> savedefault
[04:21] <skreet> makeactive
[04:21] <skreet> chainloader     +1
[04:21] <neofeed> GeBo, 1-800-WIN-XP
[04:21] <skreet> Youre missing some keys..
[04:21] <BockBilbo> bob2, you there?
[04:21] <bob2> yes.
[04:21] <GeBo> and have you tried rootnoverify (hd1,0)?
[04:21] <kosmonautti> Does anyone know what "CMOS Checksum bad" means, because it pops up every time I flash my comp's bios? After setting bios defaults and saving the message doesn't appear anymore.
[04:21] <BockBilbo> ive done the dist upgrade
[04:22] <skreet> hd1,0 doesnt exist..
[04:22] <BockBilbo> plus an upgrade
[04:22] <neofeed> kosmonautti, lets guess!
[04:22] <GeBo> skreet: must be
[04:22] <dud> crimsun, sorry,,, that just went right above my head hehe... ive been up too long i believe
[04:22] <tritium> neofeed, cool
[04:22] <crimsun> dud: you can do this: apt-get source k3blibs. Then edit debian/control, replacing the Build-Depends on "libflac-dev" with "libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3)". Then rebuild the deb.
[04:22] <neofeed> kosmonautti, what is a CMOS?
[04:22] <skreet> actually
[04:22] <froust> kosmonautti: your cmos battery might be going
[04:22] <skreet> it does.
[04:22] <dr_willis> i think it means the little bit of memory the bios settings are stored in are not 'set' right.
[04:22] <tritium> wood1, I know, that's why I had you list them all out
[04:22] <BockBilbo> but.. some packages havent been upgraded...
[04:22] <skreet> /dev/sdb1               2        6079    48821535    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[04:22] <skreet> /dev/sdb2   *        6080        9729    29318625    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[04:22] <skreet> /dev/sdb5               2        6079    48821503+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:22] <bob2> BockBilbo: that's ok
[04:22] <skreet> sdb1? is an 8 MB partition, should I be booting to that?!
[04:22] <wezzer> oh, my ubuntu cd's haven't arrived yet though I ordered 'em before December...
[04:22] <BockBilbo> such gnome, for example-..... so i dont have tthe new menus... for instance
[04:22] <tritium> wood1, because you need to be careful about which ones you remove
[04:22] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:22] <dr_willis> normally after flashing the bios yiou want to set it to defaults then  tweak them.
[04:22] <froust> it just means that it was expecting one thing and got another
[04:23] <BockBilbo> thats not right....
[04:23] <BockBilbo> is it?
[04:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: er, that's not normal
[04:23] <wood1> tritium, can I just remove all the kernels that I don't need and just use 1 of them
[04:23] <neofeed> kosmonautti, ohh c'mon, you gotta know that!
[04:23] <BockBilbo> lol...
[04:23] <froust> checksum = error checking
[04:23] <BockBilbo> and...
[04:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood please
[04:23] <BockBilbo> wow... hold on.. cause im using another pc...
[04:23] <kosmonautti> neofeed: Yeah I know what it means when the problem is real, but when it comes to this that it only happens after flashing?
[04:23] <tritium> wood1, yes, just be careful
[04:24] <nooobie> hi
[04:24] <neofeed> kosmonautti, okay I tell you: CMOS stands for Complementary Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor.
[04:24] <randabis-wireles> yeah don't go removing the kernel you are using :p
[04:24] <froust> kosmonautti: i imagine that it would be because it is expecting the old bios and gets the new one
[04:24] <skreet> GeBo, Any other ideas? Should I be booting to taht 8MB parititon? I think the NTFS is in a logical partition, is that bad?
[04:24] <froust> if it doesn't happen normally, then don't worry about it
[04:24] <nooobie> does anyone know when will be the next release date for unbuntu?
[04:24] <neofeed> kosmonautti, now what does that tell us? Not much. But this: In computing the term CMOS is often used to mean the non-volatile memory that stores motherboard BIOS information. This was called the CMOS RAM or just the CMOS because it usually used a low-power CMOS memory chip, powered by a small battery. The term remains common but has become a misnomer as nearly all modern computer components except the "CMOS memory" are constructed in CMOS tec
[04:24] <neofeed> hnology. For the "CMOS", in modern computers, flash memory is usually employed.
[04:24] <neofeed> [source: wikipedia]
[04:25] <kosmonautti> neofeed :D
[04:25] <GeBo> skreet: that 8 MB i think, is a swap partition, or something like that...
[04:25] <nooobie> i'm trying to download ubuntu..but maybe i'll wait until next release..
[04:25] <neofeed> kosmonautti, so THIS actually tells us all about your problem. Don't tell me you don't get it by now...
[04:25] <skreet> GeBo, I know it's not swap, I think it's just an extra created by NTFS, i've seen it on all xp machines.
[04:25] <tritium> I see moss.
[04:26] <neofeed> nooobie, whats so wrong about downloading ubuntu? than at the time of the new release change warty to hoary in your /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:26] <skreet> Would I be having any better luck with LILO?
[04:26] <Guardiann> hmmm strange i just did the upgrade to hoary everything seems to be working except xmms
[04:26] <GeBo> skreet: yes, NTFS needs that (I don't know why, though)
[04:26] <neofeed> nooobie, no big deal. And you will be fine.
[04:26] <wood1>  linux-image-2.6-686 - <IP_ADDRESS>-14    AND    linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386                      <IP_ADDRESS>-16.1
[04:26] <nooobie> neofeed: ok thanks
[04:26] <kosmonautti> neofeed: For example, some Intel boards give a same kind of an error after flashing a new bios, and Intel claims that it is just because there is a change between bios revisions. I think it's the same thing with this ASUS board.
[04:26] <BockBilbo> bob2, im gonna paste it now
[04:26] <nooobie> i'm don't know much about apt... i didn't know i could do  that..
[04:26] <neofeed> Guardiann, did the same. Only thing that is strange: since then Metacity ignores all the panels... as docking areas.
[04:27] <wood1> tritium, I also have  linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686 -  <IP_ADDRESS>-16.8
[04:27] <neofeed> kosmonautti, you should, by all I told you so far know why!
[04:27] <tritium> wood1, also?
[04:27] <Guardiann> neofeed did you get it working
[04:27] <neofeed> nooobie, you read what I wrote? simply do a 'text'-replace in ONE file. and run a command. C'mon that's NOT so hard!
[04:27] <tritium> wood1, what are you asking me?  Which images to remove?
[04:27] <neofeed> Guardiann, dun use xmms. Use Rhythmbox
[04:27] <neofeed> Guardiann, (I do)
[04:28] <skreet> the MBR o n disk 2 is windows xp stock, if i disable the linux drive i shoudl be able to boot to windows but I really wanted a more steamlined way of handling it.
[04:28] <wood1> Yes
[04:28] <kosmonautti> now to come back to another problem: my Athlon64 doesn't seem to work with powernow-k8 module because it gives this error when loading: "BIOS Error: numpst must be 1"
[04:28] <bob2> BockBilbo: that's all?
[04:28] <GeBo> skreet: i'm a little puzzled here...
[04:28] <nooobie> neofeed: thanks
[04:28] <wood1> You see, I had removed the 386 kernel about 1 month ago
[04:28] <BockBilbo> bob2, its what it is not commented
[04:28] <Guardiann> neofeed wontstart
[04:28] <BockBilbo> then i have some commented lines
[04:28] <neofeed> kosmonautti, does your bios have a 'reset configuration' option, if so. run it and try again.
[04:28] <GeBo> skreet: I'm not sure if Windows wants to boot from the first harddisk
[04:28] <neofeed> Guardiann, try from terminal?
[04:28] <wood1> tritium, Now I want to install the 386 kernel and remove the 2 686 kernels
[04:29] <tritium> wood1, are you sure?
[04:29] <St0n3-C0l> http://ftp4.de.freesbie.org/pub/misc/debian/ubuntu/dists
[04:29] <skreet> do yo know of a way to isntall windows without it re-writing the MBR?
[04:29] <St0n3-C0l> how do i put this site on my apt sources.list ?
[04:29] <nooobie> just one more question, is it easy to swap xfree with xorg?
[04:29] <skreet> Because then I'm locked out of my linux without a reinstall
[04:29] <randabis-wireles> you need to run hoary
[04:29] <GeBo> skreet: I know of no way
[04:29] <BockBilbo> bob2, do i have smthing missing?
[04:29] <tritium> wood1, you don't want the performance gains from the 686 kernels?
[04:29] <neofeed> nooobie, just did it. Apt does it all for you.
[04:29] <nooobie> ok thanks
[04:29] <skreet> Is there a way to make grub tell windows it's the first hard drive? :D
[04:30] <nooobie> now trying to download warty
[04:30] <wood1> Well I did not see any performance gains from the 686 kernels
[04:30] <GeBo> skreet: you know you can manually edit lines in Grub boot?
[04:30] <neofeed> nooobie, you MIGHT have to add your changes you made to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:30] <wood1> tritium, my system is very old
[04:30] <skreet> by pressing c
[04:30] <kosmonautti> neofeed: Though the message claims the problem to be in bios, it isn't there. It has something to do with linux kernels which have this bug, but version 2.6.10 should fix this. Though, I do must install it from sources if I want it for Warty?
[04:30] <skreet> that what you're talking about?
[04:30] <nooobie> right
[04:30] <neofeed> nooobie, both are text-files and that should be pretty straight.
[04:30] <tritium> wood1, okay
[04:30] <GeBo> yes
[04:30] <skreet> Yea
[04:30] <bob2> BockBilbo: not that I can see
[04:30] <skreet> I'm kinda familiar with that.
[04:30] <BockBilbo> ...
[04:30] <bob2> BockBilbo: try asking on the user list maybe
[04:30] <GeBo> skreet: and by pressing e you can change the lines
[04:31] <wood1> tritium, is it command ok:  apt-get remove linux-686 ?
[04:31] <tritium> no!
[04:31] <BockBilbo> mmm well.. i think i wont try hoary :(
[04:31] <johantilli> Anyone here knows how to make my digitalcamera to work in ubuntu? i just want to be able to open it like a hd or something like that
[04:31] <neofeed> kosmonautti, go to ftp.ubuntu.org and download the modutils and kernel and you should be set..
[04:31] <randabis-wireles> you must add --purge
[04:31] <skreet> Oh.
[04:31] <BockBilbo> it does wierd things with my wifi card
[04:31] <neofeed> kosmonautti, no need to upgrade to hoary
[04:31] <GeBo> skreet: maybe you try all partitions that way?
[04:31] <tritium> wood1, well, if you have linux-386 installed, then it's okay
[04:31] <kosmonautti> neofeed: ok, thanks
[04:31] <skreet> I think I knoww hat I did.
[04:31] <GeBo> skreet: rootnoverify (hd1,x)
[04:31] <skreet> I had that hard drive on sda before, I think XP is pissed.
[04:31] <skreet> Yea.
[04:31] <skreet> I'll give it a shot.
[04:31] <tritium> wood1, but make sure you have linux-386 installed before you remove linux-686
[04:31] <skreet> brb
[04:31] <wood1> Yes I just installed the 386 kernel
[04:31] <tritium> okay
[04:32] <GeBo> skreet: good luck
[04:32] <tritium> and you saw grub update?
[04:32] <BockBilbo> with warty it worked fine, i just had to have the switch on... but now it just detects it if the hardware switch is off ... but... it doesnt connect to the AP
[04:32] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:32] <BockBilbo> it sucks :(
[04:32] <wood1> tritium, why do I only recover 49.2 KB of disk space after removing the 686 kernel
[04:33] <Guardiann> hmmm couldnt parse playlist
[04:33] <wood1> tritium, I have remove the 686 kernel but it still shows up using the command to grep linux ?
[04:33] <tritium> wood1, probably because you didn't remove the linux-image- and linux-restricted-modules-
[04:33] <wood1> How do I remove them ?
[04:33] <GeBo> wood1: You want to get more diskspace? Ever tried apt-get clean?
[04:34] <tritium> apt-get remove --purge
[04:34] <tritium> you don't need the --purge, but I prefer it
[04:34] <froust> apt-get clean? what does that remove?
[04:34] <randabis-wireles> old debs that have been cached
[04:34] <wood1> Well Yes I  want to get some disk space but the real reason is that I want to remove all kernels refering to 686
[04:34] <GeBo> apt-get clean removes the old packages
[04:34] <GeBo> from the archive
[04:34] <tritium> there's also autoclean
[04:35] <GeBo> (not from the installed packages though)
[04:35] <wood1> Is this fine:    apt-get remove linux-686* ?
[04:35] <GeBo> autoclean?
[04:35] <tritium> GeBo, man apt-get
[04:35] <GeBo> ;)
[04:35] <souki> wood1: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686
[04:35] <souki> gives you the name of the package
[04:36] <GeBo> wood1: doesn't that remove all kernels?
[04:36] <kosmonautti> Where's the site where I can download daily hoary builds?
[04:36] <tritium> wood1, no, that won't work
[04:36] <neofeed> Any Hoary hacker?
[04:36] <johantilli> I would like som help to know how to be able to look at the pictures in my digitalcamera
[04:36] <tritium> wood1, look again at the output from dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:36] <St0n3-C0l> whats the link of the Installed Themes ?
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> bob2: u use mepis too ?
[04:37] <souki> wood1: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-*
[04:37] <GeBo> well guys, I call it a day
[04:37] <neofeed> @[Hoary Hacker] : I need some help. Since my upgrade The network does not show the windows boxes anymore
[04:37] <GeBo> cya
[04:38] <tritium> souki, that will be slower
[04:38] <souki> tritium: well, 3 seconds on my laptop
[04:39] <tritium> -S can sometimes be slow, though
[04:39] <theine> hi, on my machine gnome occasionally hangs after I said ``logout''. Is that a common problem?
[04:39] <wood1> Should I just : apt-get remove all the 686 kernels and restricted modules
[04:39] <souki> tritium: yes but it's very difficult to guess package's name when you don't know debian or ubuntu
[04:40] <tritium> souki, that's why I recommended he use "dpkg -l | grep linux"
[04:40] <kosmonautti> what's the difference between hoary array-1 and array-1 set of cds?
[04:40] <kosmonautti> array-2*
[04:40] <tritium> he doesn't have to know that kernels images are /boot/vmlinuz-*
[04:41] <wood1> Ok I will just remove the 686 kernels from the dpkg | grep linux
[04:41] <souki> tritium: if you came from redhat the package name is 'kernel-*'
[04:41] <tritium> yeah, and the kernels are even named differently in debian
[04:42] <iFonz> my mouse is fucked, is there a way I can (a) get a bash terminal with a mouse command, and (b) access the menus at the top (applications, computer) ?
[04:42] <iFonz> hmm
[04:42] <iFonz> not a mouse command, a keyboard command
[04:42] <da_bon_bon> hey, after i play 5 dvd, dvd drive gets locked to region code of last dvd played. now, if i wanna play another region dvd, what do i do ? i use dvdgenie under windows for the purpose!
[04:42] <tritium> wood1, if you need to expand the colums so you can read the full package name, use "export COLUMNS=200", or some large number
[04:42] <tritium> then dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:42] <wood1> tritium, thanks for the tips
[04:42] <tritium> sure
[04:43] <souki> tritium: the tip I was missing (COLUMNS)
[04:43] <tritium> souki, yes, but the advantage of your method is that it does print the whole package name
[04:44] <souki> tritium: badly there is no option for that
[04:44] <HostingGeek> can someone update with distrowatch that ubuntuforums.org IS offical
[04:44] <HostingGeek> as they say its unoffical
[04:44] <dud> da_bon_bon, if you can find you dvd device here http://tdb.rpc1.org
[04:44] <MM2> now I'm angry: what is root password?
[04:44] <dud> you can update the firmware to the newest
[04:44] <da_bon_bon> dud: but, how do i get dvdgenie alternative under linux ?
[04:44] <tritium> MM2, there isn't one unless you set it
[04:44] <dud> just beware that this might destroy your drive if not done properly
[04:44] <MM2> sudo asks rootas password
[04:45] <dud> its best to do it under windows i think
[04:45] <dud> and be sure to pick the exact correct brand and model
[04:45] <tritium> MM2, it should be asking for your user password.
[04:45] <randabis-wireles> MM2 should be your user password
[04:45] <dud> and, dont kill me if something goes wrong, as these are hacked firmware upgrades heh
[04:45] <yaaar> word
[04:45] <MM2> ah, ta
[04:46] <tritium> MM2, if you want to, you can "sudo passwd root"
[04:46] <MM2> it worked, thank you!
[04:46] <randabis-wireles> yeah but sudo is still always your user password
[04:46] <da_bon_bon> dud: oh.. my drive isnt listed. what do i do ?
[04:47] <tritium> randabis-wireles, right
[04:47] <dud> da_bon_bon, in that case i dont know :/
[04:47] <dud> sorry
[04:47] <wood1> tritium, what does linux kernelrc mean ?
[04:48] <MM2> is here other package managers than dselect?
[04:48] <da_bon_bon> dud: ok.
[04:48] <tritium> wood1, in what context?
[04:48] <dud> perhaps you can find some sort of howto or guide for your drive on google da_bon_bon... thats my final thoughts...
[04:48] <tritium> MM2, aptitude, synaptic
[04:49] <wood1> I still see the 686 kernel under the 386 kernel
[04:49] <da_bon_bon> dud: thank u.
[04:49] <dud> np
[04:49] <wood1>  image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on 386.
[04:49] <wood1> rc  linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[04:49] <tritium> wood1, msg me and paste what you're seeing
[04:49] <MM2> why my ssh terminal keeps messing screen?
[04:50] <tritium> wood1, that's because you did not apt-get remove --purge
[04:50] <tritium> you just did apt-get remove
[04:50] <tritium> so it left some configuration files behind
[04:50] <HostingGeek> .j #cpgnuke
[04:50] <MM2> and how to connect to windows printers? :)
[04:50] <tritium> that's why I prefer to use the --purge option
[04:51] <dr_willis> MM2,  normally you set up the windows printer to be shared. and use the "CUPS" config interface to find/access it.
[04:51] <wood1>  COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux
[04:51] <wood1> ii  foomatic-filters                             3.0.1-20040621-1ubuntu1                      linuxprinting.org printer support - filters
[04:51] <wood1> ii  libselinux1                                  1.12-1ubuntu1                                SELinux shared libraries
[04:51] <wood1> ii  linux-386                                    <IP_ADDRESS>-14                                   Complete Linux kernel on 386.
[04:51] <MM2> dr_willis: where is interface to cups?
[04:51] <dud> pastebin.ca or something similar should be in this topic permanently hehe
[04:51] <dr_willis> but im not sure if any other enhanced tools to configure printers come with this disrto.  But is able to export correct Bitmaps. And gimp is able to print just about everything correct.
[04:55] <neofeed> So given the correct DPI in inkscape while exporting and printing via gimp doth the job.
[04:56] <neofeed> I'd still prefere to print from inkscape and drop the gimp instance but until that works. This hath to work.
[04:56] <imka> hi
[04:56] <MM2> dr_willis: how I install printer, if admin tasks are disabled
[04:56] <tritium> MM2, use the gnome printing tool
[04:56] <imka> nautilus cd burner stopped working without me doing anything. how can i check what the problem is?
[04:57] <dr_willis> MM2,  well.. not sure :P i'd enable the admin task. or use some other tool that dioes the same thing.
[04:57] <dr_willis> i am used to the cups interface. and perfer it.
[04:57] <neofeed> dr_willis, did you really ever try the gnome-cups?
[04:57] <dr_willis> neofeed,  not on a headless server :P
[04:58] <neofeed> dr_willis,  yep. got me :P
[04:58] <dr_willis> all my little box does is be a print/file server. no keyboard/mouse i just shh in normally
[04:58] <dr_willis> actually if ya want the truth - i dont care much for gnome. *hides*
[04:58] <neofeed> dr_willis,  same with my network router ;)
[04:58] <dr_willis> Lol :P
[04:58] <neofeed> dr_willis, but for the desktop printing stuff. I don't want to run though the house to get to my printer, gnome-cups is beautiful
[04:59] <dr_willis> guessi am weird and just perfer to use "windowmaker"
[04:59] <neofeed> dr_willis, dunno. I never felt productive with windowmaker.
[04:59] <dr_willis> actually i went hard core now - and got a "network" box for my old laser printer. it now dosent even need the print server
[04:59] <dr_willis> a little Dlink network-print server - was on sale for $50
[04:59] <CdC> hello, after installing the security updates in warty gnome stoped working
[05:00] <neofeed> dr_willis, wow, that's really paying respekt to your old lady...
[05:00] <dr_willis> neofeed,  that laser printer is still going strong :P HP laserjet6L
[05:00] <CdC> X is still working since the login manager is running fine, but I can no start gnome
[05:00] <neofeed> CdC, why do I find it pathatik that someone with your nick complains about network problems?
[05:00] <dr_willis> been wanting to get a new laser printer - but why :P plys i hear the new low-priced lasers tend to not like linux much  sadly.
[05:00] <CdC> network is fine now
[05:01] <neofeed> CdC, what about the reglar logging facilities.
[05:01] <neofeed> dr_willis, I'd like to get a new color HP laser. for ~400 some. But I got no money
[05:01] <CdC> I can log on to the console
[05:02] <dr_willis> neofeed,  yea i'd check the web and reviews and other linux users comments VERY VERY closely befor getting it.
[05:02] <CdC> if I try to start gnome from the console I get Gtk-error: can not open display
[05:02] <dr_willis> how are you starting gnome?
[05:02] <dr_willis> from the console?
[05:02] <CdC> start a new x-session and then run gnome-session in that X
[05:02] <neofeed> dr_willis, I'm going to take my laptop over to my nightbour first... he's got that model and I got ubuntu on my laptop ;)
[05:03] <dr_willis> neofeed,  good way to find out.
[05:03] <dr_willis> take the laptop to the store :p lol
[05:03] <neofeed> dr_willis, usually I'm equipped with an ubuntu and knoppix CD and start playing in the shop when I'm bored.
[05:04] <dr_willis> Live CD's are so handy
[05:04] <neofeed> Live CD's are every sales guys horror ;)
[05:05] <dr_willis> Yep. :P it pays to chit-chat and be friendly with the guys at the local comkputer stores
[05:05] <dr_willis> amazing the amount of STUPID things you still hear at the computer stores. however.
[05:05] <CdC> dr_willis: DISPLAY=":1" export DISPLAY ; X -ac $DISPLAY 2>/dev/null & ; gnome-session
[05:05] <dr_willis> Interesting rumor id heard today a $500 apple computer to be anounced
[05:06] <cetanhota> no rumor its true.
[05:06] <dr_willis> CdC,  why not just try goiong to runlevel 3, and try "startx" and see what error messages happn
[05:06] <tritium> cetanhota, got any details?
[05:06] <dr_willis> cetanhota,  not seen any confirmation :P got a url?
[05:06] <cetanhota> I sec on what I have
[05:06] <dr_willis> be a nice little linux box eh? :P
[05:06] <neofeed> dr_willis, well we got some 'computer super stores' here.
[05:06] <CdC> dr_willis: I'll try
[05:07] <dr_willis> apple is such an ... interesting company.
[05:07] <cetanhota> http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0412expo2.html
[05:07] <dr_willis> cetanhota,  thats the ONLY referance i can find to it :P
[05:07] <imka> nautilus cd burner stopped working without me doing anything. how can i check what the problem is? any ideas?
[05:07] <neofeed> dr_willis, MediaMarkt, MediMax and Saturn. All blow big time but for asking them to test there system for compartibility as that is very important to me - just for fun - is a joy every time and a good way to substitude the time I need to wait for the next Train
[05:07] <tritium> cetanhota, thanks
[05:07] <dr_willis> so its still a rumor as far as i know. :P
[05:08] <imka> my cdburner is not being detected
[05:08] <imka> it was before
[05:08] <cetanhota> Jobs is making it offical today
[05:08] <jakeracter> everything freezes during boot for me during "* Starting hotplug subsystem..." - is there any way i can
[05:08] <jakeracter> +boot without that or something?
[05:08] <dr_willis> cetanhota,  yea. :P perhaps. heh heh - guyess we will know tomorros.
[05:08] <dr_willis> well i gotta run. bbl
[05:08] <neofeed> imka, so your cd burner died?
[05:08] <neofeed> imka, hope you got garanee mate
[05:08] <imka> neofeed, are you sure?
[05:09] <neofeed> did you try a reboot?
[05:09] <imka> nope
[05:09] <imka> brbr
[05:09] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how are the packages kept by apt installed?
[05:09] <neofeed> BockBilbo, how?
[05:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, what do you mean?
[05:10] <neofeed> BockBilbo, please rephrase your question
[05:11] <BockBilbo> i dont know how it is said in english.. see.. when doing, for example apt-get upgrade, it says that some packages are not going to be installed cause they have been kept or smthing like thart
[05:11] <BockBilbo> (my locales are in spanish)
[05:11] <BockBilbo> so, for example, it says that its not going to upgrade some packages
[05:12] <neofeed> BockBilbo, so what? it doesn't upgrade them because it might think they are not ready to be upgraded or not needed?
[05:12] <BockBilbo> you understand me?
[05:12] <BockBilbo> well.. thats what it thinks.. but they should have been updated...
[05:13] <BockBilbo> its keeping without upgrading the gnome stuff... and it should upgrade it cause im switching to hoary
[05:13] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:13] <tritium> BockBilbo, sometimes they're not upgrade because it would involve uninstalling current packages, or installing new ones.
[05:13] <neofeed> BockBilbo, did you get -- maybe an error?
[05:13] <BockBilbo> oh
[05:14] <BockBilbo> neofeed, i dindt...
[05:14] <tritium> or, on occasion, a dependency can't be met
[05:14] <BockBilbo> but well.. im doing a dist-upgrade again...
[05:14] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:14] <BockBilbo> its wierd
[05:14] <BockBilbo> some packages werent installed
[05:17] <tritium> BockBilbo, if you did dist-upgrade, and some were still not installed, then it's likely a dependency could not be met
[05:17] <tritium> Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[05:18] <BockBilbo> tritium, right now i dont know..
[05:18] <BockBilbo> ive installed warty this morning
[05:18] <tritium> Oh, okay.
[05:18] <BockBilbo> and then upgrade..
[05:18] <tritium> which package won't install?
[05:18] <BockBilbo> but it seens that it didnt upgrade correctly
[05:19] <BockBilbo> dont remember...
[05:19] <tritium> neofeed, the movie sucks in any language
[05:19] <Casanova> hello.... does anybody know where to get drivers for USB modem?
[05:19] <qzr> I have a Acer Ferrari 3200 Laptop, the ubundu 64bit-install runs nicely, but it wont start x, allthough the x-config-file looks fine, it has detected the correct graphic-card(radeon 9700 mobility) and the right resolution
[05:20] <tritium> BockBilbo, run "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" again and check out the results
[05:20] <BockBilbo> ill do it once it finished doing the 2nd dist-upgrade ... it seens to be working
[05:21] <tritium> okay
[05:21] <neofeed> tritium, I want the song by the north korean guy
[05:21] <tritium> neofeed, oh
[05:24] <qzr> is there any known bugs with radeon 9700 and amd64?
[05:24] <mako> HostingGeek: working on it again today.. having a bit of a cc meeting at the moment
[05:24] <froust> qzr: i'm running it at home with no problems so far
[05:24] <froust> mind you it's only been 2 days :P
[05:24] <HostingGeek> mako: lag?
[05:25] <HostingGeek> mako: why not put a place here we submit to you
[05:25] <qzr> froust: I've tried to install it twice with the same error, everything runs clean with the install
[05:25] <qzr> no errors
[05:25] <froust> what problem do you run into?
[05:25] <qzr> froust: but when it boots into x, it wont go graphical
[05:25] <froust> ahh
[05:25] <qzr> and the screen blanks
[05:25] <froust> this happened to me too
[05:26] <qzr> it kind of turns the baklight off, so i have to reboot to get it back
[05:26] <qzr> :/
[05:26] <froust> you need to set up your monitor/vid card details... i can't remmember the command though
[05:26] <qzr> never happened before
[05:26] <qzr> I've looked into the x-config file, and it looks good to mee
[05:26] <qzr> right card, right resoulution
[05:27] <qzr> and I've tried to run the xconfig as well, same error
[05:27] <froust> hmm... that's odd.
[05:27] <qzr> froust: are you running the 64bit?
[05:27] <qzr> very!
[05:27] <froust> yeah
[05:28] <gorth> Are there any guides on getting CDRW working in Ubuntu?
[05:28] <qzr> i'm downloading the 32bit now :/
[05:28] <froust> boo hiss... let me see if i can find that command.
[05:28] <qzr> thanks
[05:28] <froust> are you using hoary or warty?
[05:28] <qzr> warty
[05:29] <froust> qzr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:29] <froust> that fixed it for me
[05:29] <mako> HostingGeek: not lag, timezones :)
[05:29] <qzr> allright
[05:29] <qzr> thanks, i'll boot in and try it immediatly :D
[05:29] <froust> good luck :)
[05:29] <HostingGeek> mako: well that one was lag
[05:30] <mako> HostingGeek: i'm in a meeting dude
[05:30] <jakeracter> what's up with "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" ?
[05:30] <viktor> hi
[05:31] <HostingGeek> jakeracter: -4 is b0rken
[05:31] <viktor> i have problems logging into gnome with my other user
[05:31] <HostingGeek> jakeracter: -5 is -3
[05:31] <tritium> I hope SMTP auth gets fixed in evolution soon
[05:31] <HostingGeek> wait till -6
[05:31] <viktor> after logging in gdm, im told that it can't read .iceathority
[05:31] <HostingGeek> where all the patch will be included in the build
[05:31] <jakeracter> HG - that doesn't mean anything to me
[05:32] <viktor> i can log in with this user. i've copied over iceauthority from this home, but no succes
[05:32] <viktor> plus, my screen is moving out of range sometimes. this all happended w/o doing anything
[05:32] <fabbione> -5 is ok
[05:32] <fabbione> so please stop spreading rumors that are not true
[05:33] <HostingGeek> fabbione: i said -5 is like -3
[05:33] <Kokey> somebody know if is it hard to make a live cd with the 855patch?? this is because I bought a Dell Inspiron 1150
[05:33] <HostingGeek> with no pataches
[05:33] <fabbione> there are even more patches in -5 than in -3
[05:34] <HostingGeek> jakeracter: it mean you need to upgrade
[05:34] <fabbione> why do you keep saying that there are no patches
[05:34] <fabbione> ?
[05:34] <fabbione> did you bother to check the changelog?
[05:34] <tritium> neofeed, were you wanting the orinoco_cs patches to put it in monitor mode?
[05:34] <HostingGeek> fabbione: i read this in #ubuntu-devel
[05:34] <viktor> does anyone have an idea what could have happened to my system?
[05:34] <fabbione> and you read it wrong
[05:34] <fabbione> because you didn't follow the entire story
[05:34] <jakeracter> i'm trying to boot the livecd right now that i got from ubuntulinux.org ; is there a better version?
[05:37] <gorth> Are there any guides on getting CDRW working in Ubuntu?
[05:39] <froust> brb
[05:41] <tritium> gorth, have you tried using nautilus to burn?
[05:42] <gorth> tritium,  no, how do I do that?
[05:42] <randabis-wireles> you can also use k3b
[05:43] <gorth> randabis-wireles,  Do i have to enable some sort of SCSI emulation to get K3b working?
[05:43] <tritium> gorth, http://ubuntuguide.org/#cddvdburning
[05:43] <randabis-wireles> I don't think so...it should just work
[05:43] <gorth> tritium,  thanks mate..
[05:44] <gorth> randabis-wireles,  great..
[05:44] <tritium> gorth, you're welcom
[05:44] <micsch> hui, where can i download security updates for firefox?
[05:45] <OddAbe19> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:45] <OddAbe19> you shouldn't need to download updates, cause apt-get will do it
[05:45] <OddAbe19> *theretically
[05:46] <micsch> ok
[05:47] <randabis-wireles> I think firefox has an updater built in as well
[05:48] <OddAbe19> yeah, but that's sketchy
[05:48] <randabis-wireles> I know it will update extensions and such
[05:48] <OddAbe19> if there's a fix, apt-get will have it
[05:48] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[05:48] <lightbade> hi i am running ubuntu and i have a problem detecting my cdrom drive
[05:49] <lightbade> I have 2 computers. One has an internal CDrom drive. And this one has an external cd-writer connecting through the USB port.
[05:50] <lightbade> To install ubuntu, I attached the internal drive to this computer and installed ubuntu
[05:51] <lightbade> Ubuntu detected both cd-drives. Later, I shutdown and removed the internal cd-drive.
[05:52] <lightbade> and now ubuntu shows both cd-drives, but i cant access any
[05:52] <Ileden> Hi all! I'm going to install ubuntu soonish, and I'm now partitioning my disk drives. However, as w2k didn't let me create a 120 GB FAT32 partition (for storage space), I created it with knoppix. I'm now however a bit unsure whether it's ok to use the drive...
[05:52] <BockBilbo> tritium, it worked!!!!
[05:52] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:52] <BockBilbo> im in hoary right now
[05:52] <tritium> BockBilbo, good deal.
[05:52] <BockBilbo> but
[05:52] <BockBilbo> i have one last question
[05:52] <Ileden> So are there going to be problems with a FAT32 partition of that size, or is w2k just stupid for not allowing me to create it?
[05:52] <tritium> okay
[05:52] <Kokey> lightbade: may be need to modify the /etc/fstab
[05:53] <Ileden> (Thanks to anyone who can reassure me on this. :)
[05:53] <BockBilbo> see.. now it just keeps one package... the x-window-system-core... should i live it that way?
[05:53] <tritium> lightbade, yes, most likely /etc/fstab needs to be edited
[05:53] <randabis-wireles> win2k uses an older FAT32 I believe that won't support creating very large partitions
[05:53] <Ileden> ...and just to be sure, I'm _not_ going to install ubuntu on the FAT32 drive. :)
[05:53] <randabis-wireles> I know the XP FAT32 will create very large partitions
[05:54] <randabis-wireles> still though, FAT32 isn't a very good FS to use unless you constantly maintain it
[05:54] <randabis-wireles> fragments easily, and is very prone to corruption
[05:54] <randabis-wireles> plus it is not a journaling file system
[05:54] <Ileden> randabis-wireles: yeah, I know. I'm annoyed that I have to use it, but it's the only thing that works with both win and linux, I hear.
[05:55] <lightbade> how do i modify /etc/fstab?
[05:55] <randabis-wireles> NTFS works, but you only has read support out of the box
[05:55] <tritium> BockBilbo, I would leave it.  xorg-common suggests it
[05:55] <tritium> (recommends it)
[05:55] <randabis-wireles> you can enable limited write support for it in the kernel though
[05:55] <Ileden> yeap, but as it's going to be my primary storage drive, write support would be quite required...
[05:56] <BockBilbo> ok tritium
[05:56] <tritium> lightbade, you'll have to know the device names for your drives
[05:56] <Ileden> I hear the NTFS write support can cause some very unwanted results...
[05:56] <randabis-wireles> I suppose, just keep your FAT partition maintenanced often and you should be okay
[05:56] <BockBilbo> thank you a lot!
[05:56] <tritium> BockBilbo, sure.  Congrats.
[05:57] <randabis-wireles> lleden it's relatively safe if you have the ntfs tools
[05:57] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:57] <lightbade> [tritium]  I dont have a /dev/cdrom in /dev
[05:57] <Ileden> yeah, and when I'm done with the transition period to linux, I'll be happy to convert it to some other system.
[05:57] <randabis-wireles> I like reiser
[05:57] <tritium> lightbade, I'm about to head out for lunch.  Is it IDE?  Which cable?  What position?
[05:58] <lightbade> its an external USB cd-writer my iomega
[05:58] <lightbade> by*
[05:58] <Ileden> hmm, what's the main difference in reiser (vs. ext3)? is it database-based or what's the idea?
[05:59] <tritium> lightbade, Sorry, I need to run.  Hopefully someone here can help you.
[06:00] <lightbade> reiser-fs is better if most of your files are tiny @ Ileden
[06:00] <lightbade> thanks anyway @ tritium
[06:00] <Ileden> randabis-wireles: oh, and thanks for the information! I'll start moving my stuff to the 120 GB FAT32 right away.
[06:00] <randabis-wireles> lleden I'm not sure on the specifics, I just think it is a little faster for me
[06:01] <Ileden> ok, I'll have to take a look at reiser too when I'm ready to cut off windows. But it's still a long way there. :)
[06:02] <randabis-wireles> yeah I recently killed my windows partition on the main box and now it's only running ubuntu
[06:02] <randabis-wireles> windows pissed me off so I murdered it
[06:02] <OddAbe19> Ileden, i've heard many horror storied about people losing date with Reiser and XFS
[06:03] <OddAbe19> data*
[06:03] <OddAbe19> they're not safe if your computer is 'shut off' from power outage or something
[06:03] <OddAbe19> ext3 is you safe bet
[06:03] <Ileden> yeah, I'm using ext3 for the ubuntu system drive.
[06:03] <Ileden> I'll have to see about other system when the time comes...
[06:04] <souki> OddAbe19: never had problem with reiserfs (since three years or so)
[06:04] <randabis-wireles> doesn't reiser4 address that problem? not sure
[06:04] <Ileden> I'll need a bit more experience with linux too, before I start using stanger file systems. :)
[06:04] <OddAbe19> souki, neither have I, but i've heard too many horror stories for me to feel comfortable
[06:04] <spacey> how can i force fsck at bootup?
[06:04] <BockBilbo> well bye!!!
[06:04] <BockBilbo> thanks all
[06:04] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, yes, except, it's not in ubuntu
[06:04] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:05] <randabis-wireles> um...you can get it in hoary I thought
[06:05] <souki> randabis-wireles: reiserfs4 is not in the kernel tree I think
[06:05] <OddAbe19> Ileden, use ext3 for /home that way if you need to reformat, all your personal data will be safe
[06:05] <OddAbe19> and reiser for the other fs
[06:05] <lightbade> is there a tool like kudzu (red hat) in ubuntu?
[06:05] <froust> what does kudzu do again?
[06:06] <OddAbe19> detects HW
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> could have sworn I saw a patch for reiser 4 when I was browsing around in aptitude
[06:06] <spacey> hardware detection i think
[06:06] <Ileden> does ubuntu create a different partition for /home?
[06:06] <froust> oh... the autodetect hardware thing
[06:06] <lightbade> hardware detection
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> lleden not by default I don't think
[06:06] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, there's a patch, but IIRC, i'm not sure it works right
[06:06] <OddAbe19> Ileden, you can
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> ah
[06:06] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, but i could be wrong
[06:07] <OddAbe19> i only use xfs now
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> well, I'm sure the gurus will get it going correctly before too long
[06:07] <OddAbe19> for the most part
[06:07] <Ileden> hmm, I'm wondering whether it's a good idea or not.
[06:07] <Chestah> hi
[06:07] <OddAbe19> Ileden, good idea for what?
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> lleden it can be useful if you plan to run multiple distrobutions at once
[06:07] <Ileden> to create a separate partition for /home
[06:07] <OddAbe19> i do
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> distributions... :p
[06:07] <OddAbe19> it makes upgrades less painful
[06:07] <Ileden> but as I'm only going to run ubuntu, it would probably just be in the way.
[06:07] <OddAbe19> and if your system goes haywire
[06:08] <Ileden> yeah, that's the upside. :)
[06:08] <OddAbe19> you can reinstall, not touch that partition, and all your personal data is fine
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> yep
[06:08] <Ileden> The problem is, I need to reserve the right amount of space.
[06:08] <Chestah> Ubuntu on 1CD, does it future a full working system with KDE / Gnome ?
[06:08] <OddAbe19> and when i backup, i just back up /home
[06:08] <Chestah> feature
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> just gnome
[06:08] <Ileden> it's not nice to run out of system disk space :)
[06:09] <OddAbe19> Ileden, home.comcast.net/~amsilveira/linuxsite/  that's my site, i have a partitioning scheme that i use in it
[06:09] <Riddell> Chestah: GNOME only, KDE is available to download (will be on a different CD as well at some point)
[06:09] <OddAbe19> Riddell beat me to it :-P
[06:11] <randabis-wireles> I beat both of yall...:p no biggie though
[06:11] <randabis-wireles> not a contest or anything
[06:11] <Ileden> OddAbe19: ah, so you have /boot, /, and /home?
[06:11] <OddAbe19> did the developers decide on a seperate disc for kde?
[06:11] <AfrOTRokHE> hallo alle
[06:11] <AfrOTRokHE> moin
[06:11] <AfrOTRokHE> :)
[06:11] <OddAbe19> Ileden, you NEED /boot and /
[06:12] <Ileden> oh?
[06:12] <randabis-wireles> I have /boot / and swap
[06:12] <OddAbe19> i know they were toying with that idea for awhile
[06:12] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, i have 1gig of ram, so i don't have /swap
[06:12] <Riddell> OddAbe19: yes (essentially)
[06:12] <Ileden> so I assume ubuntu creates them automatically.
[06:12] <srid> 'xchm' in ubuntu repos is based in gtk1 branch if wxWidnows
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> heh, I don't think it would be a good idea to have no swap on this laptop (224 MB ram)
[06:13] <srid> is there a package for xchm based on gtk2?
[06:13] <randabis-wireles> I think ubuntu by default just makes one big partition...not sure
[06:13] <Chestah> thanks for the info
[06:13] <Chestah> gtg
[06:13] <froust> randabis-wireles: i think it does too
[06:13] <OddAbe19> Ileden, i think it does all 3 automatically
[06:14] <randabis-wireles> I think that's a bit silly :p
[06:14] <OddAbe19> debian did
[06:14] <Kamion> bluefoxicy: are you around? if so, we'd like you in #ubuntu-meeting
[06:14] <OddAbe19> i always do it manually
[06:14] <froust> i made /boot and then /
[06:14] <OddAbe19> which is just as easy
[06:16] <OddAbe19> i always have a /home for safety... i've screwed up enough times in my Xyears in linux to learn to have it
[06:16] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> hehe
[06:16] <Ileden> the only problem is that you need to know what size to make them.
[06:17] <OddAbe19> Ileden, boot only needs to be 100 megs
[06:17] <randabis-wireles> yeah was just gonna say that
[06:17] <randabis-wireles> I see no need for a /boot larger than that
[06:17] <OddAbe19> home should be as much as you want
[06:17] <OddAbe19> and / should be like 10 gigs or so
[06:18] <OddAbe19> i've actually run linux on a 1 gig HD with more then enough space
[06:18] <Ileden> OddAbe19: yeah, /home is what's left of the /... but it's sizing the / that's the problem
[06:18] <OddAbe19> Ileden, how much disk space do you have total for linux
[06:18] <Ileden> well, I do have spare disk space.
[06:18] <Ileden> so I should be fine.
[06:18] <Ileden> 40GB reserved for linux-only stuff
[06:18] <OddAbe19> ok
[06:18] <OddAbe19> i'd do 100 meg /boot
[06:18] <Ileden> maybe 15 / 35
[06:18] <OddAbe19> yeah
[06:19] <OddAbe19> i was just gonnda say 15 and 35
[06:19] <Ileden> :D
[06:19] <OddAbe19> home is where all your personal files are
[06:19] <OddAbe19> so i make that big
[06:19] <OddAbe19> ....er then root
[06:19] <jakeracter> no, home is where the heart is!
[06:19] <OddAbe19> then / *
[06:19] <OddAbe19> not root
[06:19] <randabis-wireles> heh yay for 6 gig hard drives...:p
[06:19] <Ileden> yeah, it seems fine. I can't imagine the system to grow beyond 15 GB.
[06:19] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:19] <Ileden> but then again, what do I know, I haven't used linux actively :)
[06:20] <OddAbe19> oddabel@ubuntu:~ $ df -h
[06:20] <OddAbe19> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb2              17G  3.9G   12G  25% /
[06:20] <OddAbe19> tmpfs                 507M     0  507M   0% /dev/shm
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb1              90M   43M   43M  51% /boot
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb3              11G  1.8G  7.9G  19% /home
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb5              32G  302M   32G   1% /media/stuff
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hdb6              16G   12G  4.2G  73% /media/media
[06:20] <OddAbe19> /dev/hda1              58G  9.9G   48G  18% /media/winxp
[06:20] <randabis-wireles> well depends on how many programs you're going to run
[06:20] <OddAbe19> none                  5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  56% /dev
[06:20] <OddAbe19> oddabel@ubuntu:~ $
[06:20] <OddAbe19> that's mine
[06:20] <randabis-wireles> some even go as far as to give /usr its own partition
[06:20] <OddAbe19> right now
[06:20] <HostingGeek> FLOOD
[06:20] <OddAbe19> and i do heavy stuff on it
[06:20] <OddAbe19> sorry
[06:20] <OddAbe19> floods are bad
[06:21] <HostingGeek> OddAbe19: pastebin or #flood
[06:21] <Ileden>  /media ?
[06:21] <OddAbe19> that's the folder that all your drives are mounted in
[06:21] <HostingGeek> oh wait #flood just fwd here
[06:21] <OddAbe19> it used to be /mnt
[06:21] <randabis-wireles> I still have /mnt...:p
[06:21] <OddAbe19> i was using it for awhile
[06:21] <Ileden> oh, when did that change? is this a new standard, or just an ubuntu thing?
[06:22] <OddAbe19> then i realized /media is easier for my roomie to find on the server
[06:22] <randabis-wireles> well my nfs shares are in /mnt
[06:22] <OddAbe19> new standard i believe
[06:22] <Ileden> well, at least /media sounds a lot better
[06:22] <OddAbe19> easier for newer people to find
[06:22] <OddAbe19> but /mnt is there still
[06:22] <randabis-wireles> I want to find a good free client/server for nfs in windows so I can migrate the whole network to nfs and not have to use samba
[06:22] <Ileden> uh, and /mnt is now used for?
[06:23] <OddAbe19> nothing
[06:23] <Ileden> :)
[06:23] <OddAbe19> i'm thinking about deleting it actually
[06:23] <jcspray> Ileden: /mnt is handy for mounting random things temporarily.
[06:23] <randabis-wireles> yeah
[06:24] <jcspray> Also, I put stuff that isn't really media (like nfs mounts) in /mnt/, so I actually have a /mnt/foo for random things :-0
[06:24] <OddAbe19> jcspray, yeah, but i don't do that
[06:24] <OddAbe19> lo
[06:24] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:24] <bassinboy> ok i run # nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:24] <bassinboy> but nothing happens
[06:24] <randabis-wireles> jc, me too...I keep nfs shares in /mnt
[06:25] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, something happened
[06:25] <OddAbe19> you have to restart X
[06:25] <OddAbe19> Alt+Ctrl+BkSpace
[06:25] <bassinboy>  OddAbe19... no, nothing happen, i'm serious, "nv" is still the driver for my video card
[06:25] <OddAbe19> ok
[06:26] <OddAbe19> warty or hoary?
[06:26] <bassinboy> the command usually gives output text, but its not doing any now
[06:26] <Ribs> bassinboy, just change it manually
[06:26] <Ribs> It's not rocket science
[06:26] <bassinboy> Ribs: do i need to change anything else?
[06:26] <Ribs> not really
[06:26] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, just edit your xorg.conf or XFree86 file to nvidia instead of nv
[06:26] <Ribs> you may need to comment out the dri module
[06:26] <bassinboy> i think its warty   ubuntu-amd64 <IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic
[06:27] <OddAbe19> yep
[06:27] <bassinboy> k, should i emerge xorg?
[06:27] <OddAbe19> sudo gedit /etc/X11/XFConfig86-4
[06:27] <OddAbe19> no
[06:27] <OddAbe19> emerge? this is debian not gentoo :-P
[06:27] <OddAbe19> do what i said
[06:28] <bassinboy> whats the point  with sticking to xfree ?       OddAbe19, oops, sorry, not use to ubuntu yet lol
[06:28] <OddAbe19> then goto video card and chnge the driver to nvidia instead of nv
[06:28] <notdenizen> could someone tell me the 'Ubuntu way' to compile a kernel ? Preferably with the default config, I've not needed to make any changes yet but need a source tree in order to install nvidia drivers ..
[06:28] <lightbade> Kokey's the man! my cdrom drive is detected again :D
[06:28] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, xorg is only in hoary which is testing and unstable
[06:28] <OddAbe19> don't install it on warty
[06:29] <bassinboy> k, thanks
[06:29] <dimon_> could anybody, please, help me with a USB Flash drive? How can I get files from it?
[06:29] <OddAbe19> warty uses a hacked, uptodate version of xfree
[06:29] <wezzer-> dimon_: so it doesn't automount itself?
[06:29] <randabis-wireles> yeah if you want x.org you're gonna wanna update to hoary
[06:29] <dimon_> wezzer: it used to, but it doesn't anymore!
[06:29] <wezzer-> umm, strange
[06:30] <wezzer-> check that you have automount-option enabled
[06:30] <randabis-wireles> but be prepared for headaches...I had plenty of them when I first upgraded this laptop to hoary
[06:30] <OddAbe19> randabis-wireles, i haven't had anyproblems, but it varies
[06:30] <wezzer-> Computer -> Desktop prefs -> Removable media
[06:30] <bassinboy> should i comment out glcore?
[06:30] <dimon_> wezer: it beeps every time I plug and unplug the drive, but nothing happens
[06:30] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, yes, do everything you would normally do
[06:30] <bassinboy> randabis-wireles: can you update from warty? or download anyother CD ?
[06:31] <bassinboy> so glcore and dri is all i need to comment out right?
[06:31] <randabis-wireles> Abe, heh cool...I had a forced resolution of 640x480, no network, and sound was funky at first
[06:31] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:31] <dimon_> wezer: I don't have "removable media" in prefs!
[06:31] <randabis-wireles> bassin' you have to change your sources.list, then do an apt-get update and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:31] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, yes, and you install hoary if your adventourous
[06:31] <OddAbe19> and are willing to take a chance
[06:32] <OddAbe19> with things breaking all the time
[06:32] <randabis-wireles> don't expect everything to work right away
[06:32] <wezzer-> dimon_: umm, do you have gnome 2.8?
[06:32] <bassinboy> k, i will stick with warty for now and install hoary on another partition
[06:32] <bassinboy> should i comment out Section "DRI"
[06:32] <dimon_> wezer: how do I find out: gnome --version?
[06:32] <jakeracter> is there a file i can edit to change what refresh rates are available to me in "screen resolution preferences" ?
[06:33] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, you can if you want
[06:33] <mroth> dimon_: try running gnome-version
[06:33] <randabis-wireles> xorg.conf or XF86Config-4
[06:33] <bassinboy> OddAbe19: i dont know, should i?? lol
[06:33] <randabis-wireles> depending on what you're running
[06:33] <OddAbe19> it's not critical, i do, but i only have one monitor
[06:33] <OddAbe19> and i game, that's it
[06:34] <dimon_> hmm -- I don't have gnome-version... something broken?
[06:34] <randabis-wireles> <3 streamtuner...all sorts of neato stations
[06:34] <wezzer-> mroth: that didn't work on me, I have Gnome 2.8 anyway
[06:34] <wezzer-> dimon_: do you have ubuntu? warty or hoary?
[06:34] <wezzer-> have installed something related to gnome?
[06:34] <bassinboy> brb
[06:37] <Ileden> hmm, is there a music player for linux that would have equivalent functionality to Winamp Media Library?
[06:37] <randabis-wireles> rhythmnbox
[06:37] <HostingGeek> mako: you know you can file a compalte with google for that search
[06:37] <randabis-wireles> wow
[06:38] <HostingGeek> 0_0 nespilt
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> must have been a netsplit
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> ouch
[06:38] <OddAbe19> holy crap
[06:38] <OddAbe19> i hate when that happens
[06:38] <bassinboy> doh, X wouldn't start!
[06:38] <froust> wb :P
[06:38] <HostingGeek> randabis-wireles: well what do you think it was
[06:38] <Ileden> ok, thanks! I'll have to check out rythmbox.
[06:38] <bassinboy> OddAbe19: couldn't load nvidia module
[06:38] <Jaen34> hi... I have a silly question
[06:38] <randabis-wireles> it doesn't have mp3 support ouch of the box
[06:38] <OddAbe19> bassinboy, i would just download the binary off of nvidia's site
[06:38] <HostingGeek> LOL
[06:38] <OddAbe19> that's what i use
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> jeez
[06:39] <bassinboy> OddAbe19: thank
[06:39] <bassinboy> s
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> double netsplit
[06:39] <OddAbe19> lol
[06:39] <OddAbe19> holy crap
[06:39] <HostingGeek> tripple coming up
[06:39] <Jaen34> i have dowloaded the live cd iso and extracted it
[06:39] <Jaen34> with WinISO, i have burned it on a CD, but my comp won't boot from it
[06:39] <HostingGeek> make it 3
[06:39] <Ileden> randabis-wireles: well, I mostly use oggs anyway. and I can install mp3 support manually for it, right?
[06:39] <froust> Jaen34: is your bios setup to boot from cd?
[06:39] <jakeracter> when i turn my resolution up to 1024x768 in "screen resolution preferences," i only have the option of 61hz.  how do i change that?
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> yes sir
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> gstreamer-mad
[06:39] <Jaen34> yes, it is froust
[06:39] <randabis-wireles> that will enable mp3
[06:39] <froust> hrm.
[06:39] <Ileden> great!
[06:40] <Jaen34> it reads the cd, then boots windows
[06:40] <OddAbe19> hmmm... gotta go
[06:40] <OddAbe19> class
[06:40] <OddAbe19> later all
[06:40] <froust> sounds like your iso burn didn't work
[06:40] <HostingGeek> #freenode is where to whine when a netspilt happens
[06:40] <Jaen34> i burned a standard cd-rom. Should i have added anything to the iso?
[06:40] <randabis-wireles> haha
[06:41] <randabis-wireles> this station is pretty nifty
[06:41] <froust> was there a "burn image" option or anything like it?
[06:41] <froust> afk... class
[06:41] <kent> why does netslpit happens? is it when they take down the irc-server on a server?
[06:42] <crimsun> loss of synchronisation, usually
[06:42] <Jaen34> nope... But it seems i should have chosen "CD_ROM (boot)" on Nero
[06:42] <Jaen34> could that be it?
[06:42] <froust> if you use nero
[06:42] <froust> start nero burning rom, close the wizard
[06:42] <zAo^> When will Ubuntu be compiled for > i386
[06:42] <froust> then under "recorder" choose "burn image" and select the .iso
[06:42] <HostingGeek> mako: i'll be more intrested at the google ads that come up when we search your name 0_o
[06:43] <notdenizen> nvidia-glx lists a version of 1.0.6111 in aptitude. Is it worth installing the more recent drivers from the nvidia website ?
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> yes
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> the newest nvidia drivers give performance boosts in most games
[06:43] <notdenizen> randabis-wireles, thanks :)
[06:43] <Jaen34> Ok, froust.  I love it :)
[07:08] <MM2> nautilus-cd-burner isn't in menus?
[07:12] <thully> hi - which daily build of the hoary live CD is the best one to use at this point?  the current daily didn't work for me.
[07:12] <jakeracter> any idea how i change the max refresh rate that gnome's "screen resolution preferences" will allow me?
[07:12] <wastrel> jakeracter: that would be in your x server config wouldn't it?
[07:14] <jakeracter> i've been trying to edit XF86Config-4 to fix it, but maybe i'm doing something wrong; i calculate a "modeline" with gtf and then add it in the 'monitors' section, then add the name of the modeline to the "Modes" line - the result is that my new mode is unavailable from gnome's tool.
[07:14] <wastrel> did you restart X?
[07:15] <jmhodges> ok, i really want to buy something from IBM now that i've read about their recent patent release..
[07:15] <BockBilbo> anyone knows a good cd cover website?
[07:15] <BockBilbo> *audio cd
[07:16] <jakeracter> amazon
[07:16] <wastrel> i just bought an ibm laptop
[07:19] <jakeracter> should i upgrade to hoary or is that going to be a big pain in the ass? ;)
[07:20] <restrex> ajja
[07:20] <bassinboy> ok, fresh warty install. Got the nvidia drivers. it seems like every time i do smart upgrade things get broken, for instance, the nvidia drivers never work on the kernels it installs
[07:20] <restrex> is your computer is slow, i don't recommend u hoary jakeracter :/
[07:20] <restrex> ifyour computer is slow, i don't recommend u hoary jakeracter :/
[07:20] <jakeracter> ok, thx
[07:21] <restrex> you're welcome..
[07:21] <trey3> jakeracter: hoary will be a pain at times... but for the most part it seems very good  :)
[07:22] <trey3> restrex: what does computer speed have to do with upgrading to hoary?
[07:22] <restrex> mm I think a p 3 1000 Mhz with 256 ram is relatively good trey3
[07:22] <trey3> jakeracter: understand its a development branch, as such, its rather unpredictable...
[07:23] <restrex> yeah, that is a certain point :/
[07:24] <trey3> restrex: speed has NOTHING to do with it... connection speed will make for a bigger annoyance if you're not going to get the CD Images... but not even that is a show stopper...
[07:24] <jmhodges> wastrel: hows it treating you?
[07:25] <wastrel> jmhodges: it hasn't arrived yet i ordered it last night :]
[07:25] <jmhodges> ahhh hehe
[07:26] <wastrel> nethack
[07:28] <Kamion> wastrel: indeed
[07:29] <wastrel> <3 nethack
[07:31] <BockBilbo> is there a way to translate into spanish the new menus in hoary?
[07:32] <tritium> bassinboy, don't upgrade kernels if there's not an upgrade to restricted-modules as well
[07:32] <__daniel> hai everyone
[07:33] <dud> hi there
[07:33] <crimsun> 'lo.
[07:34] <bassinboy> tritium: doh
[07:34] <dud> crimsun, thanks for the help on k3b. its back to its old good shape now
[07:34] <bassinboy> tritium: stick with old kernel?
[07:34] <crimsun> dud: excellent.
[07:34] <__daniel> i am on a system with no installed grub boot block, have an amd64 processor and only an i386 live cd - grub-install on the livecd doesnt work - any idea, what i could do?
[07:34] <bassinboy> tritium: i just upgraded, and haven't rebooted
[07:35] <tritium> bassinboy, to avoid problems with nvidia drivers not working with new kernels
[07:35] <__daniel> apart from downloading an amd64 live cd and HOPE cdrecord works
[07:35] <tritium> bassinboy, then you probably have different version numbers for linux-image and linux-restricted-modules now
[07:36] <bassinboy> tritium: k, hmmmm.... *thinks what to do*
[07:36] <tritium> bassinboy, if you're using apt-get, try using the "-u" switch to see what it's going to do before you let it actually do it
[07:37] <tritium> assuming you just upgraded your 2.6.10 kernel, boot into your 2.6.9 kernel at next boot to get into X
[07:37] <bassinboy> tritium: using synaptic ...... also, how do i find out what kernel /vmlinuz is ?
[07:37] <bassinboy> /boot/vmlinuz rather
[07:38] <__daniel> bassinboy: ls /l /boot/vmlinuz
[07:38] <__daniel> bassinboy: oh... damn english keyboard: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz
[07:38] <tritium> bassinboy, dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux
[07:39] <BockBilbo> is there an alternative to http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ 's apt's source mentioned in the RestrictedFormats wiki page?
[07:39] <trey3> bassinboy: ls -l /vmlinuz and see where its symlinked too...
[07:40] <bassinboy> thanks all
[07:40] <tritium> bassinboy, use dpkg so you know what package it belongs to
[07:40] <tritium> and to get version information
[07:40] <trey3> tritium: he wants to know what /vmlinuz is... its kinda obvious once he figures that part out  :/
[07:40] <bassinboy> i found a restricted modules for the version of the kernel and am going to install it
[07:40] <BockBilbo> hey trey3
[07:40] <bassinboy> everything should work right?
[07:41] <trey3> BockBilbo: hey
[07:41] <trey3> bassinboy: linux-restricted* should be installed automatically due to linux-* being installed... check that its not first...
[07:41] <tritium> trey3, no, 2.6.10-1 doesn't tell you that it's version 2.6.10-5
[07:42] <tritium> that's why ls /boot won't work
[07:42] <tritium> it doesn't tell you the version number
[07:42] <bassinboy> linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic: /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic
[07:43] <SirFred> Hi
[07:43] <tritium> right now linux-image-2.6.10-1 is at version 2.6.10-5, while linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-1 is only at version 2.6.10-3
[07:43] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:43] <BockBilbo> it seens that one of the repositories for restricted formats is down
[07:43] <bassinboy> tritium: oh crap, so it wont work?
[07:43] <trey3> tritium: just means they've built linux-restricted* 2 less times  :)
[07:43] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me with it?
[07:43] <SirFred> My souncard Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 has stopped working after the last kernel update.
[07:44] <trey3> should be compatible still though :/
[07:44] <tritium> trey3, no, not true
[07:44] <bassinboy> good,
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: yes, true
[07:44] <SirFred> I load the module by hand, but I have no soundcards.
[07:44] <SirFred> Any idea?
[07:44] <crimsun> SirFred: lsmod|grep snd_cs46xx
[07:44] <BockBilbo> Julieta Venegas
[07:44] <BockBilbo> not that
[07:44] <BockBilbo> lo
[07:44] <SirFred> crimsun: It's loaded
[07:44] <BockBilbo> l
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: those two packages don't come from the same source package, so you shouldn't expect their versions to be in sync
[07:44] <BockBilbo> http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[07:44] <tritium> Kamion, that's what I was saying
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: the "2.6.10-1" part of the package name is the bit that states compatibility
[07:44] <Kamion> tritium: what trey3 said was correct
[07:45] <bassinboy> well, the restricted-modules-2.6.1-4-amd64-generic wasn't even installed
[07:45] <crimsun> SirFred: grep 46XX /boot/config-`uname -r`
[07:45] <trey3> tritium: they are all dumped into /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-$ARCH ... so yes they will...
[07:45] <Kamion> bassinboy: install linux-amd64-generic, that's the easiest way
[07:45] <tritium> that's not the case.  the nvidia modules from -3 aren't working with the -5 kernel-image
[07:45] <tritium> I've verified it
[07:45] <Kamion> tritium: then that's a bug, please report
[07:45] <bassinboy> ok, thanks all!
[07:45] <SirFred> grep 46XX /boot/config-`uname -r`
[07:45] <SirFred> CONFIG_SND_CS46XX=m
[07:45] <SirFred> CONFIG_SND_CS46XX_NEW_DSP=y
[07:46] <crimsun> SirFred: are you using warty or hoary?
[07:46] <Kamion> tritium: and please state clearly what versions are involved, because there *was* an ABI problem with linux-image 2.6.10-5
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: Hoary
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: I've also tested with pci=routeirq
[07:46] <tritium> trey3, are you using nvidia drivers?
[07:46] <trey3> tritium: no
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: Because I read in the dmesg that some drivers could be broken on that way
[07:46] <crimsun> SirFred: are you using 2.6.10-5?
[07:46] <SirFred> crimsun: cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:46] <SirFred> --- no soundcards ---
[07:47] <tritium> trey3, if you were, you could not start X with 2.6.10-5 kernel with 2.6.10-3 restricted-modules
[07:47] <SirFred> crimsun: Humm.
[07:47] <SirFred> crimsun: One second.
[07:48] <tritium> Kamion, what do you mean by *was*?  Was it fixed?
[07:48] <SirFred> crimsun: Version: 2.6.10-4
[07:48] <SirFred> crimsun: I updated yesterday.
[07:48] <SirFred> crimsun: I'm seeing that there's an update available.
[07:49] <SirFred> crimsun: Well, I'm going to update. Thanks.
[07:49] <bassinboy> it worked ^_^!!
[07:49] <randabis-wireles> seems to be a gaim update in hoary
[07:49] <randabis-wireles> doing another dist-upgrade
[07:50] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:51] <cmg_> hi.. has anyone used Nagios?
[07:51] <Kamion> tritium: supposedly fixed in 2.6.10-5 ...
[07:52] <Kamion> but perhaps not
[07:52] <tritium> Kamion, it just worked for bassinboy.  I couldn't get into X with 2.6.10-5 this morning, but it was updated again today I believe.  I'll reboot now and check.
[07:54] <trey3> Hmm... gnome feature freeze is tomorrow huh?  :)   seems so stable already though  :)
[07:54] <notdenizen> hi all, I'm having some problems with rhythmbox. It doesnt seem to play mp3s, and attempting to install gstreamer0.8-mad gives the error "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[07:54] <notdenizen> errmm
[07:54] <notdenizen> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:54] <trey3> notdenizen: enable universe
[07:54] <phyberoptix> apt-cache search gstream
[07:55] <notdenizen> ahhh k, thanks :)
[07:56] <trey3> tritium: any better?  :)
[07:56] <tritium> trey3, yeah, looks like 2.6.10-5 was fixed :)
[07:57] <tritium> works with restricted-modules-2.6.10-3 now
[07:58] <Kamion> there's no "old 2.6.10-5" and "new 2.6.10-5", only 2.6.10-5 - so my guess is you hadn't rebooted before and were still running 2.6.10-4
[07:58] <mchasard> hello
[07:58] <tritium> Kamion, maybe it was broken with 2.6.10-4, and the update I recall from today was 2.6.10-5
[07:59] <Kamion> yes, it was broken with 2.6.10-4
[07:59] <Kamion> that was the reason for 2.6.10-5
[07:59] <Kamion> see the changelog :)
[07:59] <tritium> That explains it then
[07:59] <__daniel> re
[07:59] <mchasard> i just a new gnoppix version 0.9.2 b5 but its not a live cd ... its only for installation ?
[07:59] <wastrel> gnoppix eh
[08:00] <trey3> wastrel: gnoppix = ubuntu live cd
[08:00] <trey3> wastrel: one in the same right now.
[08:00] <cmg_> has anyone used Nagios?
[08:00] <__daniel> so did anybody come up with a clever idea to get my amd-64--but--only--a--i386-live-cd--without--grub--boot-block--problem sorted out?
[08:00] <wastrel> heh i didn't know.
[08:00] <trey3> cmg_: nope... sorry  :(
[08:00] <cmg_> :((
[08:00] <Kamion> mchasard: it looks like the installer, but it's not - keep going
[08:01] <tritium> trey3, my misake earlier ;)
[08:01] <mchasard> its a real live cd so ? strange ?
[08:01] <tritium> mistake
[08:01] <trey3> tritium: its cool  :)
[08:01] <mchasard> Kamion are you sure ?
[08:02] <Kamion> mchasard: how far have you got?
[08:02] <zAo^> Who can help me with SSH?
[08:02] <zAo^> I get this:
[08:02] <zAo^> It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
[08:02] <zAo^> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
[08:02] <zAo^> 01:61.................................
[08:02] <zAo^> Please contact your system administrator.
[08:02] <Kamion> zAo^: ask the sysadmin of the remote host if they've changed the host key
[08:02] <zAo^> Well, its my own laptop :)
[08:02] <Kamion> have you changed your host key? :)
[08:02] <zAo^> No, i didnt :S
[08:03] <wastrel> remove the host key from the known hosts file
[08:03] <Kamion> anyway you can edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[08:03] <zAo^> on which machine?
[08:03] <mchasard> so i download another time if its really a live cd use ...
[08:03] <mchasard> and not an installation
[08:03] <Kamion> fine to do that for localhost or whatever, but never do it for a remote host without checking
[08:03] <__daniel> zAo^: the one you're typing at
[08:03] <trey3> zAo^: from the client.. you can try ssh -R...
[08:03] <Kamion> zAo^: the client
[08:03] <zAo^> thanks all :D
[08:03] <Kamion> mchasard: it uses the first half of the Ubuntu installer
[08:03] <mchasard> and after ?
[08:04] <Kamion> mchasard: then it pivots into a normal live-CD environment
[08:04] <mchasard> it will begin like a live cd  ?
[08:04] <Kamion> mchasard: if it reaches the partitioning stage of the installer, something's wrong, but it hasn't done anything to your system yet
[08:04] <Kamion> mchasard: that's what I said, yes
[08:04] <Kamion> the UI is still rough, we'll be improving it
[08:04] <mchasard> ok fine i'll redownload it and test ...
[08:04] <mchasard> thanks
[08:05] <mchasard> is there a tool to save configuration ?
[08:05] <Kamion> so if it reaches the partitioning stage, reboot and report a bug
[08:05] <Kamion> dunno, don't think so yet
[08:05] <Lucar> alguem ai fala portugus ???
[08:05] <__daniel> how are chances that i386-cdrecord will work on my amd64?
[08:05] <notdenizen> will ubuntu support my iPod and PocketPC ?
[08:05] <mchasard> just for information whan a new livecd ubuntu please ?
[08:05] <Kamion> what's wrong with amd64 cdrecord?
[08:06] <Kamion> mchasard: that gnoppix image *is* an Ubuntu live CD image, I built it myself
[08:06] <__daniel> Kamion: i'm on a i386-livecd and have no bootrecord on my hard disk
[08:06] <trey3> Kamion: ahh... livecd for i386... grub issue... pay attention  :P
[08:06] <Kamion> hm, actually I wonder if it's identical
[08:06] <Kamion> __daniel,trey3: I just build the images, I don't know about what's inside them
[08:06] <mchasard> ok Kamion thanks ...but i didn't find it in the uguntu web page
[08:06] <__daniel> Kamion: and grub-install complains about some /lib/grub/i386...
[08:06] <trey3> Kamion: haha  :)
[08:07] <Kamion> mchasard: actually, no, I tell a lie
[08:07] <__daniel> so i hope after downloading the amd64-livecd i'll be able to burn it with cdrecord
[08:07] <Kamion> mchasard: the gnoppix CD isn't quite the same as ours, but I believe they're using the same processes
[08:07] <Kamion> mchasard: it's not on the web site because it's still in really heavy development. patience, grasshopper
[08:08] <mchasard> is there another things changed concerning connexion cause with the previous ubuntu or gnoppix , no way to connect me to the web ....????
[08:08] <bretzel> Hwo to add other keyboard language layouts which are not installed on disk ?
[08:08] <mchasard> ok i understand ...
[08:08] <Kamion> it's on cdimage.ubuntu.com if you're brave
[08:09] <__daniel> damn... everyone in this house uses MY adsl line, but none of them have a CD burner *cry* i'll find out in 1h10m
[08:17] <chapter3> hello all
[08:18] <chapter3> any ideas why netstat would be defunct, and i can't kill the process?
[08:18] <VivekVC> ubuntu is not able to play sounds on my 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4)
[08:18] <VivekVC> AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) souncard.
[08:18] <trey3> VivekVC: lsmod | grep ac97
[08:19] <trey3> VivekVC: modprobe snd-ac97 if its not there... else I don't know...
[08:19] <crimsun> (it's snd-intel8x0)
[08:23] <VivekVC> trey i get a FATAL: module snd_ac not found
[08:24] <trey3> VivekVC: eh... I was thinking of 'ac97', modprobe what crimsun said  :)
[08:25] <crimsun> VivekVC: is there an integrated modem on that motherboard as well?
[08:25] <VivekVC> crimsun: No i have a cable modem
[08:25] <VivekVC> Linksys Cable modem
[08:26] <crimsun> VivekVC: I'm referring to your motherboard. Please check via `lspci -v'.
[08:32] <ixus_123> Anyone got the link to the unoffical geting started guide?
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #1 (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #2 (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #3 (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB/ER Hub interface to PCI Bridge (rev 81)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) LPC Bridge (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[08:32] <VivekVC> 0000:01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[08:32] <tritium> ixus_123, it's in the topic
[08:32] <VivekVC> sorry for flooding
[08:32] <VivekVC> It was not intentional
[08:33] <crimsun> VivekVC: is this on warty?
[08:33] <VivekVC> crimsun: yep
[08:33] <crimsun> VivekVC: have you tried booting with acpi_isa_irq=7 ?
[08:34] <VivekVC> crimsun: no
[08:34] <ixus_123> cheers tritium :)  I got it
[08:34] <ixus_123> lost all my bookmarks :(
[08:34] <trey3> ixus_123: you mean www.ubuntuguide.org?
[08:34] <ixus_123> yeah - th
[08:34] <ixus_123> anks
[08:35] <tritium> ixus_123, :)
[08:35] <ixus_123> I filled up my / partition & the system went crazy
[08:35] <ixus_123> so I have reinstalled just now
[08:35] <trey3> tritium: you help write it?  :o
[08:36] <crimsun> excellent. mozilla-thunderbird 1.0 is in Hoary.
[08:36] <VivekVC> crimsun: How do i boot with ascpi_isa_irq=7, could you g
[08:36] <VivekVC> oops
[08:36] <crimsun> VivekVC: when you reboot, at the grub menu, type e, then append acpi_isa_irq=7, then hit enter, then hit b
[08:38] <VivekVC> crimsun: could you tell me what acpi_isa_irq=7 does exactly, i got
[08:38] <VivekVC> the rest e for edit and b for boot in the grub menu
[08:38] <VivekVC> sorry for too many questions, just trying to learn.
[08:38] <ixus_123> right, bbl - some hefty updating to do. . .
[08:38] <zAo^> any FTD4Lin users here???
[08:40] <tritium> trey3, no, sure didn't
[08:40] <tritium> you?
[08:42] <tritium> Is that to order flowers?
[08:48] <dud> hmm, this cerkinfo.be has such bad availability...
[08:48] <dud> someone should make a mirror
[08:50] <crimsun> what's on cerkinfo.be?
[08:51] <dud> ... i dont need cerkinfo.be perhaps?
[08:51] <dud> its supposed to have restricted formats
[08:51] <dud> according to the wiki
[08:51] <crimsun> I can't even load it
[08:51] <trey3> dud: according to whats on there via the wiki... no... those things are in universe
[08:52] <dud> erm, right... ill just remove it heh
[08:52] <trey3> Someone should get rid of it on the wiki too... enless libdvdcss2 isn't in universe?
[08:53] <trey3> (Only thing I saw listed for it that I'm not sure about?)
[08:53] <crimsun> it's not.
[08:54] <trey3> eh... then thats why its listed.... know of a faster mirror for it?
[08:54] <trey3> s/mirror/repo/
[08:54] <euphoria> hi all
[08:54] <crimsun> I only know of marillat's
[08:54] <trey3> euphoria: hey
[08:54] <crimsun> (at least that's what apt-cache show confirms for my sources.list)
[08:55] <euphoria> can help me in try to config a external modem conceptronic
[08:55] <trey3> crimsun: hmm... k... I'm gonna go clean that up on the wiki  :)
[08:55] <euphoria> im make pppconfig fine
[08:55] <dud> i suspect having that cerkinfo in my sources.list might have made a few more conflict than id need to have...
[08:56] <crimsun> it's most healthy for one's sanity to keep one's sources.list trimmed
[08:56] <dud> so very true indeed
[08:56] <pw> Is today a good day to start tracking hoary?
[08:57] <pw> Or is it all horribly borked?
[08:57] <euphoria> in put "pon" and the modem light move and speaker work, im listen the sound when make a dial and negociaction but disconnect a 40 sec. later
[08:57] <crimsun> pw: nothing seriously broken atm
[08:57] <pw> crimsun: Ta.
[08:57] <chapter3> any ideas why netstat would be defunct, and i can't kill the process?
[08:58] <dud> tried sudo kill -9 <pid>?
[08:58] <punkrockguy318> when I try to print something, the page wont print and it tells me that I don't have permision to /dev/lp0... i can temporaril change it by doing chmod a+rwx /dev/lp0, but that resets everytime i reset.. what can i do?
[08:58] <crimsun> did a nic module oops?
[08:58] <chapter3> dud: yep, does not kill it
[08:58] <trey3> crimsun: ahh... nm... actually its there only for gstreamer0.8-lame  :/
[08:58] <punkrockguy318> i'm using hoary btw
[08:59] <crimsun> -lame? ouch.
[08:59] <crimsun> chapter3: did a nic module oops?
[08:59] <chapter3> i dunno, how can i check?
[08:59] <punkrockguy318> anyone?
[08:59] <crimsun> chapter3: dmesg (don't paste)
[08:59] <chapter3> what would i look for?
[09:00] <crimsun> chapter3: an OOPS
[09:00] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: are you in the 'lp' group?
[09:00] <dud> paste to pastebin.ca :)
[09:00] <dud> excellent pastebin with shorturls and no highlighting
[09:00] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, yeah
[09:01] <chapter3> dmesg | grep -i oops doesn't return anything, do you mean the literal string "oops"/
[09:01] <wastrel> whorey
[09:01] <crimsun> chapter3: you can also grep for "EIP"
[09:01] <punkrockguy318> pw, horey?
[09:01] <chapter3> crimsun, nothing returned on that either
[09:02] <crimsun> chapter3: what do ps and top report concerning the netstat?
[09:02] <punkrockguy318> pw, i spelled hoary right...
[09:02] <chapter3> kev@home [~] $ ps aux | grep netstat
[09:02] <chapter3> kev       5385  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        Z    06:56   0:00 [netstat]  <defunct>
[09:02] <pw> chapter3: have you got a shell that's lost its tty?
[09:03] <chapter3> how can i check for that?
[09:03] <trey3> chapter3: you've tried pkill -HUP netstat and -9 if that doesn't work?
[09:04] <chapter3> sudo pkill -HUP netstat  didn't work
[09:04] <trey3> chapter3: else only way to kill it is to restart... (zombie)
[09:04] <punkrockguy318> crimsun, any other ideas about my printer?
[09:04] <chapter3> it is a recurring zombie tho, no ideas as to why?
[09:04] <crimsun> punkrockguy318: sorry, not familiar w/ that
[09:05] <punkrockguy318> okay thanks anyway!
[09:06] <dud> i dont think ive ever experienced a process not being able to be killed with -9 during my 4 years of linux usage
[09:06] <dud> except maybe for when the kernel paniced years ago..
[09:06] <Kamion> zombies and D-state processes typically don't respond to SIGKILL
[09:06] <dud> hmm...
[09:06] <euphoria> in put "pon" and the modem light move and speaker work, im listen the sound when make a dial and negociaction but disconnect a 40 sec. later. the pppconfig are fine configured
[09:07] <euphoria> is external modem
[09:07] <euphoria> serial
[09:07] <seth_> is there a way to "see" for how much time ubuntu as been on the system ?
[09:07] <chapter3> seth_: uptime
[09:07] <wastrel> uptime ?
[09:07] <seth_> uptime?
[09:07] <seth_> no
[09:08] <seth_> not... "on"
[09:08] <Kamion> ls -l /var/log/debian-installer?
[09:08] <trey3> seth_: no...
[09:08] <crimsun> seth_: look at the earliest date in ls -l /
[09:08] <seth_> installed on the pc
[09:08] <Kamion> crimsun: not reliable because dpkg preserves build times in .debs
[09:08] <crimsun> Kamion: ah, true.
[09:08] <seth_> crimsun ok, i was asking for a command or something
[09:08] <Kamion> the logs in /var/log/debian-installer should tell you when it was installed
[09:08] <crimsun> the installer log
[09:10] <trey3> dud: "little" explaination of a zombie: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-13.html  :P
[09:11] <dud> trey3, thanks :)
[09:12] <dud> its nice to be able to soak up some new knowledge even after such long unix usage...
[09:15] <euphoria> im goo, see you later
[09:17] <elk_Brad> ok, i've installed Samba, yet i still can access my xp machine's resources through a bridged connection (virtual)
[09:18] <crimsun> can or _can't_?
[09:18] <elk_Brad> can't
[09:19] <crimsun> hmm, I presuming you're using vmware?
[09:19] <dud> heh, it would be nice if someone just came here and told us that something worked for once :D
[09:19] <dud> that would be so nice
[09:19] <crimsun> presume^
[09:19] <wastrel> my mouse is working
[09:19] <adomanski> Does anybody know how to add menu entries to the "Computer" menu?
[09:20] <elk_Brad> yes sir!
[09:20] <elk_Brad> i am!
[09:20] <elk_Brad> i can see my xp machine
[09:20] <elk_Brad> and in xp i can see ubuntu
[09:20] <elk_Brad> but ubuntu can't access my xp machine
[09:21] <elk_Brad> i even made sure that permissons were on all 7s
[09:21] <chapter3> have you used the Shared Folders option in vmware?
[09:21] <elk_Brad> yes
[09:22] <skreet> Why dont I have mp3 support? Is that not included in ubuntu?
[09:22] <adomanski> install gstreamer-mad
[09:22] <skreet> kay
[09:22] <wastrel> debianism :]
[09:23] <skreet> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-mad ? :P
[09:23] <dud> you never need to have 777 permission mask
[09:23] <dud> its unsafe and extremely bad practise
[09:23] <dud> imho anyhow
[09:23] <adomanski> well you should find it
[09:24] <adomanski> search for gstreamer and then scroll down to mad
[09:24] <skreet> I dont have it in Synaptic at all
[09:24] <skreet> I did just that Adomanski
[09:24] <dud> gstreamer0.8-mad or something isnt it?
[09:24] <skreet> It's not in here. :P
[09:24] <elk_Brad> im not on a network or nor do i have the internet
[09:24] <elk_Brad> at home
[09:25] <adomanski> it is 0.6.4-5
[09:25] <dud> skreet, do you have universe and multiuniverse apt sources?
[09:25] <wastrel> you'll have to download the package somewhere else and but it on a disk
[09:25] <skreet> dud: I have whatever is default. :P
[09:26] <adomanski> then you SHOULD have Synaptic
[09:26] <skreet> I have Synaptic, but it's not *in* Synaptic
[09:26] <adomanski> ?
[09:26] <skreet> ... It's pretty simple really
[09:26] <skreet> I search for "gstreamer"
[09:26] <skreet> and theres nothing with -mad tailing.
[09:27] <adomanski> did you try to install from a terminal?
[09:27] <skreet> yep
[09:27] <skreet> Nothing.
[09:27] <skreet> gstreamer-0.8-mad is not a package.
[09:27] <skreet> i think i need a different universe to get it if i remember correctly.
[09:28] <adomanski> the package name is gstreamer-mad
[09:28] <adomanski> not *-08*
[09:28] <skreet> Either way.
[09:28] <skreet> no luck.
[09:28] <dud> yeah, you need to add the universe and multiverse package repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:28] <dud> look at the wiki for instructions
[09:30] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here use scribus?
[09:30] <hypa7ia> Cloudchaser: yup