[01:07] <knome> ochosi, we'll want to covert the terminal color scheme into a preset and ship it
[07:47] <elfy> ochosi: caught up with all the trusty tests - which have all now got at least 1 result
[07:48] <elfy> reported bug 1418377
[07:49] <elfy> and have critically failed all of my tests - so if anyone from -release is looking at what can be released later I'd hope that 10 fails out of 10 will jog a memory or two :)
[08:03] <ochosi> knome: sounds good, are you taking that on?
[08:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: since my ubiquity-panel branch has been merged, could you please look at the packaging for that file? seems that while it's in the source tarball it's not getting installed yet: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/blob/master/ubiquity-panel-bg.png
[08:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, the same goes for the emerald theme and everything else in greybird's top dir (speaking of vivid / shimmer daily ppa)
[08:10] <ochosi> elfy: thanks for that
[08:10] <ochosi> i guess we can't be very optimistic about this getting fixed
[08:10] <elfy> I'm not
[08:10] <ochosi> (in time, that is)
[08:10] <elfy> yea
[08:11] <elfy> though if they do manage in the next few hours to get something we can rebuild
[08:11] <elfy> it won't take long to do a few smoketests to ensure it's all gone
[08:12] <elfy> I suspect this time tomorrow morning we'll not have released it though
[08:16] <ochosi> yup
[08:16] <ochosi> just as a note, i have a meeting at work for the next few hours, so i won't be around to ping/handle people
[08:16] <ochosi> will be back in about 3 though
[08:16] <elfy> ok
[08:17] <elfy> I'll be gone in an hour till I get back too
[08:21] <brainwash> elfy: why xubu default settings? aren't the extra packages pulled in by xubuntu-meta or some ubuntu core package?
[08:21] <elfy> ochosi: pretty sure knome can request rebuilds still, need to check that bluesabre can as well
[08:22] <elfy> brainwash: just ignore that bug thanks
[08:22] <elfy> it's just something that I did quickly so I could critically fail all the .2 tests
[08:22] <elfy> and if there was an oojumyflip package I would have used that
[08:23] <brainwash> ok, ToZ did the same (report against default settings)
[08:23] <brainwash> which triggered that our SRU one failed
[08:23] <elfy> however if YOU would like to run through the test and report against each and everything that's pulled in be my guest :)
[08:25] <brainwash> ok
[08:25] <brainwash> tag has been already removed from bug 1292290
[08:25] <brainwash> no failed anymore
[08:26] <brainwash> but still, so many people are subscribed to the report ^ and no one has tested + verified it so far :/
[08:27] <elfy> happens
[08:28] <elfy> brainwash: if I remember I'll check that tomorrow and verify
[08:28] <brainwash> you could even use the 14.04.2 iso which has/had -proposed enabled by default :)
[08:29] <brainwash> thanks
[08:30] <elfy> brainwash: when I do it - I'll do it on hardware not vm
[08:32] <elfy> that's a lot of words ...
[08:32] <elfy> what's actually wrong?
[08:34] <brainwash> comment #31 is the important one. you reassign one of these actions to another keybind and relog
[08:34] <brainwash> after login the new keybind should still work
[08:36] <elfy> brainwash: ok - thanks
[08:37] <elfy> I am though a bit dubious about verification only being done by one or two people
[08:37] <elfy> if it's that important then there should be more
[08:37] <elfy> and did you verify it?
[08:37] <brainwash> it's a backport from vivid
[08:37] <brainwash> well, I fixed the xml and in vivid and tested it ofc
[08:37] <brainwash> -and
[08:37] <elfy> but not in trusty?
[08:38] <brainwash> no, otherwise I would have verification-done it already
[08:38] <elfy> bit ironic complaining about people not testing it then :)
[08:39] <brainwash> I did my part
[08:39] <brainwash> it's not a SRU with 1 or 2 subscribers
[08:39] <elfy> yea I understand *that*
[08:40] <Unit193> (Though, I tend to think approving it from top down isn't great either.)
[08:40] <elfy> does beg the question that if 36 people are affected then it should be verified by more than 1 or 2
[08:41] <brainwash> it's a bit annoying for people that the report is spammed with comments and it's not that easy to focus on the essential stuff
[08:41] <elfy> yea but that's LP for any bug with more than a heat of 6 ...
[08:41] <brainwash> maybe some up/down vote system could help
[08:42] <brainwash> mmh, I'll have to request that
[08:42] <elfy> I doubt it
[08:42] <elfy> don't expect me to mark it as affecting me :p
[08:42] <brainwash> I could visually highlight helpful comments
[09:20] <elfy> ochosi: so, looks like delayed for a week (currently)
[09:39] <ochosi> elfy: ok, that is actually good news
[09:40] <elfy> yea
[09:41] <elfy> at least it wasn't just us - I think gnome have issues and I know lubuntu do :)
[10:52] <bluesabre> brainwash: if you can reproduce the bug and the fix, there is nothing wrong with reporting your result, even if it is your bug... especially if that helps things get out of -proposed...
[10:53] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[10:53] <bluesabre> when you do report on your own bug, I think there is a benefit in laying out all the steps you do so that you are not suspicious and others can verify even your result
[10:53] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[10:53] <ochosi> so the ll patch was accepted for xfpm
[10:53] <ochosi> just needs some small warnings fixed
[10:54] <bluesabre> since Greybird has multiple themes in a single folder, we have to be explicit about what installs where, so the ubiquity panel is not currently installed
[10:54] <bluesabre> so I can fix that today
[10:54] <ochosi> ah ok
[10:54] <ochosi> sure, no rush
[10:54] <bluesabre> just need to know where things need to go
[10:54] <ochosi> ok, so the ubiquity png has to "stay" where it is
[10:54] <ochosi> i.e. greybird's toplevel folder /usr/share/themes/Greybird
[10:54] <bluesabre> ok
[10:55] <ochosi> oh also, i might do another theme point release soonish
[10:55] <ochosi> since i fixed the gtk3 spinner
[10:56] <bluesabre> ok
[10:56] <bluesabre> ping me when I need to package it
[10:56] <ochosi> will do
[10:56] <ochosi> you can test it meanwhile, if you want
[10:56] <ochosi> it's already in shimmer-daily
[10:56] <bluesabre> also, do you have bluetooth on your computer and a bluetooth device?
[10:56] <ochosi> yeah i do
[10:56] <bluesabre> the error statusbar used in blueman is black
[10:57] <bluesabre> making it impossible to read the actual error
[10:57] <ochosi> hm, not sure i know what you mean exactly
[10:57] <ochosi> wanna show me a screener of that?
[10:57] <bluesabre> I'll try to reproduce now
[10:57] <ochosi> k
[10:57] <bluesabre> can't always get a bluetooth error :)
[10:57] <ochosi> :)
[10:58] <bluesabre> got it
[10:58] <ochosi> oh, "good" :]
[10:58] <bluesabre> actually
[10:58] <bluesabre> its black in numix too
[10:58] <bluesabre> so its probably a blueman issue
[10:58] <ochosi> what, black on black?
[10:59] <ochosi> well, to know whether it's a theme issue, check ambiance or adwaita
[10:59] <ochosi> since satya started the sass port, the theme in git master hasn't received a ton of attention (also, he seems busy with work)
[10:59] <bluesabre> looks fine in adwaita
[11:00] <bluesabre> its black on every theme except adwaita, and blue on albatross
[11:01] <ochosi> hmm, ok, well since it's gtk3, fire up the inspector?
[11:01] <ochosi> or if i can reproduce it, i can debug it
[11:01] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/iRC0C9u
[11:01] <knome> ochosi, will look at it
[11:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: mind to check with inspector what sort of widget that is? (they should really use infobars...)
[11:03] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/eREUhPR.png
[11:04] <bluesabre> things that have used gtk for a long time do not use gtk3 correctly
[11:04] <ochosi> yeah
[11:04] <ochosi> true that
[11:04] <bluesabre> "what? you mean there are new widgets since 2008?"
[11:04] <ochosi> could you also check what classes the blueman+gui widget has?
[11:05] <ochosi> the hbox doesn't have any bg
[11:05] <ochosi> so obviously that's not it
[11:05] <ochosi> but yeah, always fun to see an HBox in a Gtk3 app :)
[11:06] <bluesabre> no classes
[11:06] <ochosi> :/
[11:06] <ochosi> like, nowhere?
[11:06] <ochosi> with no classes at all, i'd expect a normal bg_color
[11:06] <bluesabre> blueman+gui+MessageArea has no defined classes
[11:07] <ochosi> hm
[11:07] <ochosi> guess i have to try to reproduce that then
[11:08] <bluesabre> what does adwaita do to not make the default background black?
[11:09] <ochosi> who knows, maybe it sets some generic widget bg colors explicitely
[11:09] <ochosi> it's really really hard to follow all of their changes
[11:09] <knome> ochosi, what do you think about shipping a mousepad (gtksourceview) color scheme?
[11:10] <ochosi> knome: i'm +1 on it (as long as you don't expect me to do it ;))
[11:10] <bluesabre> easy to package
[11:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: woot, gtk3 plugs in gtk2 socket (see last comment): https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/issues/25
[11:11] <knome> ochosi, well i almost have one ready... and have built it so that it allows a light variant as well
[11:11] <ochosi> knome: great, i say go for it!
[11:11] <bluesabre> i have a solarized-dark package for gtk2 sourceview that I use with mousepad
[11:11] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages
[11:11] <knome> i guess ultimately this would mean that i'd poke the terminal color scheme as well
[11:11]  * ochosi prefers solarized light
[11:12] <knome> i've used oblivion, but it has its problems
[11:12] <knome> do either of you know mousepad enough to say if we can force a different default theme on our installs systemwide?
[11:13] <bluesabre> we can
[11:13] <knome> good
[11:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: albatross makes it blue, so that might lead to a solution of sorts... http://i.imgur.com/asDrj9G.png
[11:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: hm, what colors do tooltips have in adwaita?
[11:14] <knome> another question for both of you...
[11:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: cause that looks like it uses the tooltip bg color, but the normal fg color
[11:14] <knome> have you seen a color scheme that actually changes the highlight color for search matches and the highlighted matches when selecting "highlight all" ?
[11:14] <knome> i wasn't able to get that working with 0.3.0 last night
[11:14] <ochosi> maybe it's a missing feature (i could very well imagine that)
[11:15] <ochosi> best to ping matthew (codebrainz) about that directly when he's around
[11:15] <bluesabre> in sourceview?
[11:15] <knome> bluesabre, yah
[11:16] <bluesabre> not to my knowledge
[11:16] <knome> at least the other highlighted stuff is always yellow bg for me
[11:16] <knome> can't remember if the current one was just the selection color
[11:16] <knome> yeah... :/
[11:16] <knome> boo
[11:16] <knome> there's the search-match tag, but that doesn't do anything
[11:17] <knome> at least to my knowledge
[11:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: not sure how long the gtk3 embedding will work... I think we're getting closer to all gtk3 windows being csd
[11:18] <bluesabre> but for now, woot
[11:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: i was thinking of menulibre and mugshot mainly
[11:19] <ochosi> also, for blueman i submitted an upstream ticket: https://github.com/blueman-project/blueman/issues/178
[11:20] <bluesabre> those screenshots were not CC
[11:20] <bluesabre> :P
[11:20] <ochosi> hehe, feel free to complain about the missing license ;)
[11:26] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: for checking out... https://gist.github.com/knomepasi/1c22f13d3f7c135f3866
[11:28] <bluesabre> colorful
[11:28] <knome> well i've only tested it on the laptop
[11:28] <knome> and it nearly has the same colors as our terminal color scheme
[11:29] <knome> heh, i just noticed a problem with that
[11:29] <knome> but i'll keep improving
[11:29] <bluesabre> cool
[11:32] <bluesabre> olivier added libinput support http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/commit/?id=49be65f8355aa54e28ac97fa569fc2b436d8b4b9
[11:38] <ochosi> woot already?
[11:38] <ochosi> holy crap
[11:38] <ochosi> that was quick
[11:39] <bluesabre> :D
[11:40] <ochosi> meh, that doesn
[11:40] <ochosi> t build
[11:40] <ochosi> error: variable ‘reverse_scrolling’ set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable]
[11:41] <knome> not so quick then eh :P
[11:42] <bluesabre> lol
[11:42] <ochosi> well, that
[11:42] <bluesabre> had a similar issue with his last push
[11:42] <ochosi> 's just a tiny issue with compile flags
[11:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: already got a reply on that blueman issue
[11:43] <bluesabre> woot already?
[11:43] <bluesabre> holy crap
[11:43] <bluesabre> that was quick
[11:43] <bluesabre> :P
[11:43] <ochosi> yeah, just a comment though
[11:43] <ochosi> no action :)
[11:44] <knome> bluesabre, check the updated gist
[11:44] <knome> lunchtime
[11:46] <bluesabre> lol, add the ifdef libinput, then
[11:46] <bluesabre> main.c:1220:17: error: ‘reverse_scrolling’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[11:46] <bluesabre> stupid compiler
[11:47] <ochosi> yeah
[11:47] <ochosi> very stupid
[11:47] <ochosi> i'm poking the same thing
[11:47] <ochosi> cause i wanna test a change i made to the icon theme list
[11:47] <bluesabre> if you fix it, go ahead and push
[11:47] <ochosi> well, big if
[11:47] <bluesabre> I want to do a coverity scan build on the current settings once I can get it to build
[11:49] <ochosi> mm, that'd make sense
[11:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: thoughts on this? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02052015-125243pm.php
[11:54] <bluesabre> not opposed to it
[11:54] <ochosi> maybe add row hints: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02052015-125404pm.php
[11:54] <bluesabre> better
[11:54] <ochosi> was just thinking it'd be nice not having to hover the tooltip
[11:54] <ochosi> cause it suuuuucks.
[11:54] <ochosi> a11y-wise
[11:54] <ochosi> and theme-names often aren't descriptive enough
[11:54] <bluesabre> another possible idea would be to maybe have a few preview icons
[11:54] <ochosi> yeah, i know
[11:54] <ochosi> but that's far more work
[11:54] <bluesabre> like 3 of the most common
[11:54] <ochosi> and i'd want that in addition to this
[11:55] <bluesabre> right
[11:55] <ochosi> yeah, something like: folder, file, arrow
[11:55] <bluesabre> mhm
[11:55] <ochosi> but that's really a lot more work
[11:56] <ochosi> there's no code for loading icons from different themes yet
[11:56] <ochosi> if you wanna go there, be my guest :)
[11:57] <ochosi> but i think even this is an improvement
[11:57] <bluesabre> agreed
[11:58] <bluesabre> I might play with it a bit
[11:58] <bluesabre> what you're interested in is GtkIconTheme
[11:58] <bluesabre> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkIconTheme.html#gtk-icon-theme-set-custom-theme
[11:58] <bluesabre> you can then use that to load icons from any theme
[11:58] <ochosi> oh right
[11:58] <ochosi> that makes it a lot easier
[11:58] <bluesabre> :)
[11:59] <ochosi> well play with it if you want
[11:59] <bluesabre> yeah, might do that a bit in the next few days
[11:59] <ochosi> i'll likely push my patch to a branch
[12:00] <ochosi> cool
[12:00] <ochosi> i'll pastebin you a link to my branch as soon as i've cleaned it up and pushed it
[12:01] <bluesabre> sweet
[12:47] <bluesabre> elfy, ftr, I am able to request rebuilds still, but as usual, will be out all day
[13:20] <brainwash> bluesabre: I don't maintain a trusty installation and it looks like almost no one here does
[13:23] <knome> i do
[13:25] <brainwash> you could verify that xubuntu-default-settings in trusty proposed fixes the keybind problem
[13:25] <brainwash> ideally we would want the fix in before final release of 14.04.2
[13:25] <knome> if we release .2
[13:26] <brainwash> oh, are the dependency issues still not resolved?
[13:26] <brainwash> ibus, extra indicators and so on
[13:26] <knome> i don't follow it closely, but i read about that on the mailing list from elfy
[13:28] <brainwash> it really looks like we have to fight the ibus "malware" over and over again
[13:28] <brainwash> it always finds a way back on the iso
[13:29] <knome> but re: verification, link me to the bug and i'll most likely get into it eventually
[13:31] <brainwash> it's bug 1292290
[13:32] <brainwash> I guess you know that you will have to add "verification-done-trusty" and leave "verification-needed" (if the new package fixes the problem)
[13:34] <knome> verification-done / verification-failed iirc
[13:35] <knome> and i think you can drop -needed if you did it
[13:35] <brainwash> but the SRU is targeting trusty and utopic too
[13:35] <brainwash> we need verifications for both
[13:35] <knome> meh, i don't really know why we're targeting utopic, it's dead soon
[13:35] <knome> but -trusty then i guess
[13:35]  * knome shrugs
[13:36] <knome> i'll look into that when i get to the verification part :P
[13:36] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[13:36] <brainwash> the utopic one is not important
[13:37] <brainwash> but it helps to prevent that the bug (corrupted xml file on first login) is carried over from utopic to vivid
[13:38] <brainwash> if someone creates a new account in utopic and then upgrades to vivid, for example
[13:45] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks - nice to be sure who can do what where for when it's needed :)
[13:47] <knome> elfy, always up-to-date answer: everybody in ~xubuntu-release
[13:48] <knome> that's the feature we mainly set that team up for :)
[13:49] <elfy> yes I know that
[13:49] <elfy> but - things go wrong with trackers ... or had you never noticed :p
[13:49] <knome> noooo
[13:49] <knome> :P
[13:49] <knome> what are you talking about?
[13:49] <elfy> ha ha
[13:53] <knome> ok, sister+ coming over
[13:53] <knome> see you later
[13:53] <elfy> cya
[14:22] <brainwash> bluesabre, Noskcaj: should bug 1388009 be fixed in trusty?
[14:24] <brainwash> it's a packaging issue and should be resolved via SRU I think
[16:01] <ochosi> huhu, we're not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1418295
[16:09] <elfy> :)
[16:40] <elfy> can one of us who can change bug importance do something with bug 1418377 so it flys high on the trusty
[16:41] <elfy> tracker defects list
[16:41] <elfy> confirming and critical sound good
[16:44] <slickymasterWork> so elfy, do you want ir Critical or High?
[16:44] <slickymasterWork> s/ir/it
[16:45] <slickymasterWork> never mind, I saw you already said what you wanted
[16:46] <slickymasterWork> elfy, done -> bug 1418377
[16:47] <elfy> thanks :)
[16:47] <slickymasterWork> np
[16:47] <elfy> wait for the summary page to catch up with it
[16:50]  * slickymasterWork hopes elfy is sitting, while he waits
[16:50] <elfy> oh yes :)
[16:51] <slickymasterWork> :)
[17:18] <brainwash> ochosi: but that's a different black screen bug
[17:19] <ochosi> i know that
[17:21] <brainwash> and this reminds me that cavalier may have figured out a way to fix our blank screen bug properly
[17:22] <brainwash> well, no, he would have pinged us :)
[17:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: since we talked about this earlier today, here's my patch: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9130
[17:49] <elfy> ochosi: check ubuntu-meeting from ~17:09/17:10 UTC
[17:53] <elfy> surprised other people that we ended up with qt5 and unity-greeter :p
[18:08] <elfy> pleia2: re your Jam at the weekend - is there anything you'd like from me for it?
[18:08] <elfy> just realised that it's at 21:00 for me - so can be around for a while - but not for hours :)
[18:09] <pleia2> elfy: just being around early on is fine :)
[18:09] <pleia2> I'll have attendees join here and ask questions
[18:09] <elfy> ok :)
[18:09] <pleia2> if all else fails, I'm funneling them to xubuntu-desktop package to submit bugs
[18:10] <elfy> testing vivid?
[18:10] <pleia2> yep
[18:10] <elfy> ok - thanks :)
[18:10] <pleia2> I printed out testcases last night so they can follow along on paper for manual full disk install and live installs
[18:10] <pleia2> er, live cds
[18:10] <elfy> right
[18:11] <elfy> I hope the testcases are good :D
[18:11] <pleia2> I'll refresh all my isos on Saturday and get the sticks prepped, no one make any changes between sat and sunday images :P
[18:11] <elfy> I did a how to zsync/rsync wiki page if that's any use
[18:11] <pleia2> ooh, link?
[18:11] <pleia2> I'll also be showing the general QA wiki pages, so improvements on those have been appreciated
[18:12] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentSetup/SyncImage
[18:13] <pleia2> thanks
[18:13] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-usb is cleaned up
[18:13] <pleia2> nice
[18:14] <elfy> and if anyone pitches up with xubuntu 14.10 - then upgrade tests from image would be awesome too :)
[18:14] <pleia2> com32 error D;<
[18:14] <pleia2> hates
[18:14] <elfy> :)
[18:15] <pleia2> wait, which is that for, unetbootin or usb-creator-gtk?
[18:15] <elfy> you should just need to tab then either live or unetbootindefault :)
[18:15] <pleia2> the etherpad is confused
[18:15] <elfy> both I am afraid
[18:15] <pleia2> gah
[18:15] <pleia2> I hate usb sticks
[18:16] <elfy> running trusty - com32 when using the buntu tool
[18:16] <pleia2> alright, I'm on utopic so I'll use usb-creator-gtk
[18:16] <elfy> running utopic - unetbootin fails
[18:16] <elfy> yep - should work :)
[18:16] <pleia2> oh gosh, I'm supposed to be at the jam venue in 15 minutes to do a walk through
[18:16]  * pleia2 pants
[18:16] <pleia2> can't go in pajamas :)
[18:16] <elfy> I've found that the disks tool just works
[18:17] <elfy> ha ha
[19:01] <elfy> hi jono_
[20:10] <jono_> hey elfy
[21:34]  * knome 's office is pajama friendly
[22:01] <dkessel> FYI: i just created a xubuntu-docs daily ppa @ https://code.launchpad.net/~dkessel/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-docs-daily . not sure if it is interesting for anyone but me though ;) slickymaster, maybe ...
[22:01] <dkessel> got to go. good night
[22:02] <ochosi> that might actually be a candidate for the staging PPA
[22:03] <ochosi> or we could move it to a "more official" place at least, in case more ppl are interested
[22:17] <Unit193> Heh, I have https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/ too, daily build. :D
[22:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: will you do a new release of catfish with the about-icon changed for vivid or shall i put that icon i dropped back in the theme? (used to be gtk-about-symbolic)
[22:38] <pleia2> "A whole bunch of unwanted stuff installed" hah
[22:39] <knome> pleia2, btw, the new US mirror is up, no email sent, was too hard to find an admin email or contact information
[22:39] <pleia2> knome: k
[22:42] <knome> should set up the other new mirrors too
[22:43] <pleia2> yes, please :)
[22:44] <knome> what about the qa incentive shouting out?
[22:44] <pleia2> did that on tuesday or something
[22:44] <knome> oh ok
[22:44] <knome> :P
[22:53] <bluesabre> hey all
[22:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: planning to fix that, but thanks for the ping
[23:02] <knome> pleia2, done
[23:02]  * pleia2 inspects
[23:02] <knome> yeah, plz double-check
[23:03] <pleia2> just US, or did you add the other ones too? i forgot what we were adding
[23:03] <knome> i did everything
[23:03] <pleia2> cool
[23:03] <knome> so there are few other changes too
[23:03] <knome> i changed US three days ago when somebody pointed out the mirror wasn't working any more
[23:04] <pleia2> yeah
[23:04] <knome> how do we want to link to the full mirrors list?
[23:04] <knome> at the end of both lists?
[23:04] <pleia2> wfm
[23:05] <knome> working on that next
[23:05] <knome> maybe double-check that this is sane too http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/mirrors/
[23:07] <pleia2> very nice
[23:07] <knome> good, then i'll link eet
[23:07] <pleia2> :)
[23:07] <pleia2> first link to ZA no worky
[23:08] <knome> hmpf
[23:08] <pleia2> stray %20 in there
[23:08] <knome> ugh
[23:09] <pleia2> skimmed the rest, they look ok
[23:10] <knome> done
[23:13] <knome> updated blueprint
[23:18] <pleia2> gold star!
[23:18] <knome> haha


[03:36] <nyceane> hey guys
[03:36] <nyceane> https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/get-started/intel-joule
[03:36] <nyceane> anybody here?
[03:37] <nyceane> :(
[09:44] <immu> hi anyone here
[09:46] <immu> why do i need to sign into Ubuntu one to install a snap????
[09:46] <immu> isnt Ubuntu one sign-in dead
[09:48] <cjwatson> immu: login.ubuntu.com / SSO is the major part of what was Ubuntu One that survives, and it's the identity provider for most things that Canonical does
[09:49] <cjwatson> (as well as some non-Canonical but Ubuntu-related things)
[09:49] <immu> why i need to sign in to install snap apps
[09:49] <cjwatson> I don't believe you do if you use sudo
[09:50] <cjwatson> sudo snap install whatever
[09:50] <immu> Ubuntu software is the app i use to install snap apps
[09:50] <immu> for ex i insalled Hexchat IRC, the app isn't even listed as a snap packaged app?
[09:51] <immu> why?
[09:52] <cjwatson> Perhaps because it exists as both deb and snap
[09:52] <cjwatson> I don't really know though, sorry
[09:52] <immu> cjwatson, its ok
[10:13] <immu> niemeyer, so no one here for snappy?
[10:13] <immu> whos the boss?
[10:18] <cjwatson> You won't find many people around at the weekend
[10:19] <cjwatson> Especially not a holiday weekend in many parts of the world
[10:26] <immu> cjwatson, ok
[10:29] <ogra_> immu, Bug #1581713  and bug 1604016 might be interesting ...
[10:29] <mup> Bug #1581713: Ubuntu Software always asks for an Ubuntu Single Sign-On account when installing or removing a snap package <xenial> <Ubuntu GNOME:Triaged> <gnome-software (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581713>
[10:29] <mup> Bug #1604016: Snap requires sudo if not logged in <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604016>
[10:29] <immu> ogra_, mup thank will tag my self also.


[00:38] <zbenjamin> popey: 14.10 chroots don't support qmake
[07:39] <xhoch3> does anybody know what happens if I use a Window instead of MainView?
[07:39] <xhoch3> on Ubuntu Touch
[07:39] <xhoch3> because I cannot provide the applicationName field then
[10:20] <Girish> Hi
[10:20] <Girish> Can anybody help me out with Ubuntu Emulator,black screen issue
[10:21] <Girish> Last statement on terminal "Try 'basename --help' for more information. [  128.210000] systemd-logind[698]: Failed to start user service: Unknown unit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[  128.210000] systemd-logind[698]: Failed to start user service: Unknown unit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:51] <justCarakas> is it possible to do in app downloads in an HTML5 app ?
[14:48] <ogra_> hmm, why does global replace in our javascript not work ... i.e.: string.replace(/foo/g, 'bar') always throws an error for me
[14:49] <alci63> hi here. I have troubles creating kits in ubuntu-sdk. I get a click error (here http://pastebin.fr/39129). Any idea?
[14:52] <ogra_> ah, ... because i suck at escaping special charts it didnt work :P
[14:52] <ogra_> *chars
[15:06] <alci63> the strange part is 'Could not resolve 'localhost' Err http://archive.ubuntu.com...' Why localhost ???
[15:32] <pgb> alci63: pastebin what do you have in /etc/hosts ?
[15:32] <pgb> alci63: or make sure you have localhost there
[15:35] <pgb> alci63: E: Unable to locate package libc-dev E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-sdk-libs E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev  and "failed to create chroot click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf"; do you have those packages installed, do you run this as root?
[15:56] <dee__> hi
[15:57] <dee__> i have a problem with a app, i wana update something in the bitcoin-app (https://launchpad.net/bitcoin-app), problem is that this project import the jni.h, but the project dont have that implement
[16:05] <dee__> ok, sry its the jdk package, but how can i configure qt creator to use the right path, the project is a ubuntu phone project
[17:20] <alci63> pgb: yes, I have localhost here... I finally have it running under a VM in 14.10... I give up for now on my main system, since vivid is work in progress...
[18:24] <ahoneybun> hey ahayzen
[18:25] <ahayzen> o/
[18:25] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, thanks for the comments on my wiki page :)
[18:25] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: of course :)
[18:25] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: my app hit 270 users
[18:26] <ahayzen> awesome :)
[18:26] <ahoneybun> I swear it 240 on friday then it jumped to 270
[18:27] <ahayzen> i've seen a rise since folks have been getting their devices :)
[18:27] <ahoneybun> yea that might be it
[18:28] <ahoneybun> now there is 1000 apps
[18:50] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Tuoch HTML5 How to create a fixed header? | http://askubuntu.com/q/599988
[19:19] <moon88> hi, where can i find some example html5 apps for the ubuntu phone? I cant even get run some js code ...
[19:20] <popey> the help app is the most recent example I guess
[19:20] <popey> https://launchpad.net/help-app
[19:44] <moon88> mhh dont work a easy console.log() or a alert()
[19:51] <moon88> window.onload = function () {     console.log("test"); }
[19:51] <moon88> dont work
[19:52] <moon88> alert(); the same
[19:55] <moon88> cant someone help?
[19:56] <moon88> wana start to dev some apps ...
[20:03] <popey> its sunday evening, so usually quiet here
[23:06] <ahoneybun> how do I keep textfields from over laping?
[23:06] <ahoneybun> I know it has to do with anchors
[23:15] <ahoneybun> mhall119: you around?
[23:20] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, anchor the right of the left one to the left of the right one and visa versa ... or put them in a Row { .... *fields* ... }
[23:20] <ahayzen_> brb
[23:23] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_: thanks and here: http://imgur.com/hrf5kgu
[23:24] <ahoneybun> there are in a row
[23:25] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, not in the Item ;)
[23:25] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, take the anchors out of the fields and remove the item wrapping them
[23:26] <ahayzen_> so it reads Row { Field {} Field {} }
[23:27] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_: ok now to keep the textfields on the page
[23:29] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_: http://imgur.com/5oyduv4
[23:33] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, where do you want them to be on the aligned in terms of the page?
[23:36] <ahoneybun> the center ahayzen_
[23:37] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, so how wide should each field be?
[23:37] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/96CZiMw
[23:37] <ahayzen_> like you probably just need like width: parent.width / 2 .. or something on the fields
[23:37] <ahoneybun> I use "parent.width - units.gu(5) or so
[23:37] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:38] <ahoneybun> when I did that both fields are goin
[23:38] <ahoneybun> gone
[23:39] <ahoneybun> got it
[23:39] <ahayzen_> \o/
[23:39] <ahoneybun> I need to center it all no
[23:39] <ahoneybun> w
[23:39] <ahayzen_> why have you done (parent.width - units.gu(1)) / 3 + units.gu(3) ?
[23:40] <ahayzen_> why not just parent.width / 3 ?
[23:40] <ahoneybun> buttons we so small
[23:40] <ahayzen_> but like that'll probably be overflowing the Row {}
[23:41] <ahayzen_> so maybe make the width of that larger?
[23:42] <ahoneybun> ok done
[23:43] <ahayzen_> whats it looking like now?
[23:43] <ahoneybun> let me upload
[23:43] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/Mf0J96Z
[23:45] <ahayzen_> looking better but still not perfectly aligned i don't think
[23:45]  * ahayzen_ has sleepy eyes
[23:45] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:45] <ahoneybun> one more thing
[23:46] <ahoneybun> how do I enter text with the buttons (if i can)
[23:46] <ahayzen_> "enter text with the buttons" ?
[23:47] <ahayzen_> as in when you tap they are added to the field?
[23:47] <ahoneybun> like clicking the button will enter a number in the textfield
[23:47] <ahoneybun> like a calculator
[23:47] <ahoneybun> this is a score keeper
[23:47] <ahayzen_> like onClicked: myTextField.text += "9"
[23:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:47] <ahayzen_> will append it
[23:47] <ahayzen_> or take out the += and use = to replace
[23:48] <ahoneybun> I think that works
[23:49] <ahayzen_> \o/
[23:50] <ahoneybun> screenie coming
[23:50] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/S0SR0cU
[23:50] <ahoneybun> now there are 2 textfields
[23:50] <ahoneybun> so do I need to make 9 more buttons?
[23:50] <ahayzen_> well when should stuff appear in the second?
[23:53] <ahoneybun> when the buttons are clicked
[23:53] <ahoneybun> so I might need more buttons
[23:53] <ahoneybun> or or
[23:53] <ahoneybun> put the other score on a different tab
[23:54] <ahayzen_> yeah i think you need to think about the user interaction before diving in :)
[23:54] <ahayzen_> tabs may work
[23:54] <ahoneybun> yea I'll try that
[23:54] <ahoneybun> thanks ahayzen_
[23:54] <ahoneybun> go to sleep
[23:54] <ahayzen_> no problem
[23:54] <ahayzen_> who me or you?
[23:55] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_: you
[23:55]  * ahayzen_ has to wait for washing to finish :/


[00:02] <tonyyarusso> I think the MOTU wiki page has some guidelines in general quentusrex.
[00:03] <quentusrex> I read that... I was hoping for something along the lines of a handful of examples
[00:03] <wgrant> Well, there are lots of different situations.
[00:03] <wgrant> It would be impractical to provide examples for all.
[00:04] <quentusrex> yeah, that's the part that would help the most though...
[00:04] <wgrant> But #ubuntu-motu can probably answer all of your packaging questions.
[00:04] <quentusrex> even if it wasn't for all situations, atleast enough to get a grasp on it.
[00:04] <quentusrex> yeah, I'm in there...
[00:23] <quentusrex> Is there a howto for setting up my own launchpad install to include build servers?
[00:24] <quentusrex> the project I'm working on could use this kind of system. and be able to package for multiple different releases and OS's.
[00:25] <wgrant> quentusrex: No. You very probably don't want to do that.
[00:25] <quentusrex> wgrant: why's that?
[00:25] <wgrant> quentusrex: For one thing, you can't run a Launchpad instance with the provided images.
[00:25] <wgrant> And it's overly difficult.
[00:26] <wgrant> Why not use launchpad.net?
[00:26] <quentusrex> well, we'd like to be able to build for CentOS and other OS's
[00:26] <quentusrex> and launchpad seems to only support apt based, and ubuntu... maybe debian?
[00:27] <wgrant> quentusrex: Only Ubuntu for now. Debian will probably happen eventually, as it's very similar, but CentOS is completely different and would need a *lot* of work to support.
[00:28] <quentusrex> right...
[00:28] <quentusrex> it'd be interesting to have a modular build system
[00:28] <quentusrex> something that might be able to build on windows as well
[00:29] <quentusrex> but that's a whole different story....
[00:30] <quentusrex> yeah...
[00:30] <wgrant> It is already somewhat modular. But there's still a lot of code that would have to be written.
[00:30] <quentusrex> wgrant: that orig issue I filed a bug about....
[00:30] <quentusrex> the orig file is now about 422MB
[00:31] <wgrant> Sounds like you might want to get your quota increased.
[00:31] <wgrant> But why is it so massive!?
[00:31] <quentusrex> sound files
[00:31] <quentusrex> we have CD quality sound files for telephony systems
[00:31] <quentusrex> if you have a phone that can do high def calls
[00:31] <quentusrex> what's the process for getting the quota increased?
[00:31] <quentusrex> wgrant: you've heard of asterisk? for voip calls?
[00:32] <wgrant> quentusrex: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion
[00:32] <wgrant> quentusrex: Of course.
[00:32] <quentusrex> wgrant: check out freeswitch. it's more stable, and has MANY more features
[00:32] <wgrant> quentusrex: I'd consider creating a separate -data source package, so you don't have to reupload the data every time you change the code.
[00:32] <wgrant> Since presumably the data will change very infrequently.
[00:32] <quentusrex> but there is no official gui... and FreePBX is just now building a compatible gui
[00:33] <quentusrex> wgrant: how would I build that data package? I already have it building as a multiple binary package, with each level of sounds for a binary
[00:33] <quentusrex> if you only want low quality, that's all you download, but how would I do that for upload too?
[00:34] <wgrant> quentusrex: You keep the data in a separate .orig.tar.gz, and have a separate freeswitch-data source package that you upload.
[00:34] <wgrant> Lots of games do something like that.
[00:34] <quentusrex> hmm
[00:34] <quentusrex> that'd be interesting....
[00:34] <quentusrex> I'll look into that...
[00:35] <wgrant> Anyway, I need to run.
[00:36] <quentusrex> thanks for the help wgrant
[00:36] <wgrant> quentusrex: np
[01:30] <Noldorin> hello.
[01:31] <Noldorin> how do i create an OpenPGP key on windows?
[01:31] <Noldorin> i'm pretty new to the whole idea, so any advice would be appreciated
[01:31] <Noldorin> just looking for one to put on launchpad, really
[01:41] <thumper> Noldorin: have you looked on help.launchpad.net?
[01:42] <Noldorin> thumper: nope, just noticed the main guide only mentioned ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/+help/openpgp-keys.html#publish
[01:43] <wgrant> Noldorin: What are you going to use it for?
[01:43] <Noldorin> wgrant: signing the unbutu code of conduct
[01:44] <Noldorin> and possible distributing packages in the future
[01:44] <wgrant> Signing the Ubuntu CoC from Windows. Does not compute!
[01:44] <Noldorin> lol
[01:44] <Noldorin> i though i might get that reaction
[01:45] <Noldorin> i'm really just doing it in relation to launchpad
[01:46] <Noldorin> seems like i just want to download something from here: http://gnupg.org/download/index.en.html
[01:47] <wgrant> Possibly. Last time I used GnuPG on Windows (about 5 years ago?), there were two Windows GUIs. Both were pretty bad.
[01:48] <Noldorin> i'd believe it
[01:48] <Noldorin> though much can change in five years...
[01:49] <Noldorin> having a GUI is not important, anyway
[01:53] <Noldorin> wgrant: right, so i have the command line utility open now. any hints on how i'd want to create a key for my given purpose?
[01:55] <Noldorin> or anyone else, for that matter?
[01:56] <wgrant> Noldorin: gpg --gen-key
[01:57] <Noldorin> key kind?
[01:57] <Noldorin> 1, i presume
[01:58] <wgrant> DSA/Elgamal will do.
[01:59] <Noldorin> ok
[01:59] <Noldorin> wgrant: but will rsa/rsa suffice (or be the better option) if i'm going to be using it more widely?
[02:00] <wgrant> Noldorin: RSA/RSA (not sign-only) is possibly a better option now, yes.
[02:00] <Noldorin> right ho
[02:01]  * wgrant disappears to a meeting.
[02:02] <Noldorin> wgrant: thanks for the help
[02:02] <Noldorin> seems to be all set up now
[02:02] <Noldorin> :)
[02:12]  * jml afk
[02:34] <jml> anyone know what happened to gmb?
[02:38]  * jml away again
[02:56] <jml> ok. good.
[03:09] <jml> mwhudson, rockstar: there's an import branch failing with a funny error message: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31897292/pyempires-trunk-log.txt -- got any ideas on how to fi it?
[03:10] <mwhudson> jml: no, assembla is weird though
[03:11] <jml> mwhudson, hmm. what should I suggest to the people trying to import it?
[03:11] <jml> (I was going to say "branch owner".)
[03:11] <mwhudson> jml: try bzr svn?
[03:11] <jml> mwhudson, ok.
[03:11] <mwhudson> which isn't much of a suggestion i know
[03:12] <jml> It's still something.
[03:18] <jml> I wish we were using bzr-svn
[03:18] <jml> I wish we were using python 2.5
[03:20] <wgrant> Just needs somebody to go through and fix a few failures, now that maxb has fixed the world.
[03:22] <jml> wgrant, is there a list of failures somewhere?
[03:23] <wgrant> jml: LaunchpadOnKarmic has a list with some initial analysis.
[03:23] <jml> thanks
[03:24] <jml> that page is much shorter than it used to be :)
[03:24] <wgrant> It got much longer 24 hours ago, though :(
[03:24] <wgrant> Somebody keeps breaking things in strange ways.
[03:25] <jml> who?
[03:26] <wgrant> Not sure.
[03:26] <wgrant> It was all working on 2.4.
[03:26] <wgrant> Now it is not.
[03:26] <rockstar> wgrant, my Karmic install is fine.
[03:26] <rockstar> ...although I guess I haven't rebooted recently.
[03:26] <wgrant> rockstar: Even the tests on LaunchpadOnKarmic?
[03:27] <rockstar> wgrant, ah, I hardly run any tests on Karmic.  Just the code tests, and then the rest is off to ec2
[03:27] <wgrant> rockstar: Can you try lp.codehosting.puller.tests.test_scheduler.TestPullerMasterIntegration.test_mirror?
[03:28] <rockstar> wgrant, I can when I'm done with what I'm doing here.
[03:28] <wgrant> rockstar: Great.
[03:28]  * wgrant lunching.
[04:28] <jml> "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. Thanks for your patience."
[04:37] <jml> mwhudson, can you please remind me what needs to be done in cases like this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/82985i
[04:38] <mwhudson> jml: is "get a sysadmin to stab the appserver" an appropriate response?
[04:38] <jml> mwhudson, only by some measures.
[04:38] <jml> Error validating server certificate for 'https://fsckyou.info:443':
[04:38] <jml>  - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the
[04:38] <jml>    fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!
[04:39] <wgrant> An edge appserver is borked.
[04:39] <wgrant> spm: Kick kick kick.
[04:39] <mwhudson> wgrant: we know, and more usefully, someone who can do something about it knows
[04:39] <wgrant> mwhudson: OK, thanks.
[04:40] <mwhudson> jml: the answer is "get a losa to faff about on the slave" (again)
[04:41] <spiv> "bzr: ERROR: xmlrpc protocol error connecting to https://xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/: 502 Bad Gateway
[04:41] <jml> mwhudson, awesome.
[04:41] <mwhudson> spiv: we know
[04:51] <jml> wgrant, can you do me a favour and take a look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/83007 please?
[04:52] <wgrant> jml: Looking.
[04:55] <jml> wgrant, thanks.
[05:10] <quentusrex> wgrant: you can see the source miscalc on the ppa right now
[05:10] <quentusrex> https://launchpad.net/~pbxbuntu-drivers/+archive/ppa
[05:13] <wgrant> quentusrex: Hmmmm, I see.
[05:14] <quentusrex> and right now I can't fix a build problem because I can't upload another 10 MB because it'll try to count the orig again...
[05:16] <wgrant> Um.
[05:16] <wgrant> The usage just jumped again.
[05:16] <quentusrex> yup
[05:17] <quentusrex> it let me upload the next one,
[05:17] <quentusrex> but it says I'm over my limit
[05:18] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[05:20] <cdm10> hi, I'm confused as to how to change my settings for getting updates to subscribed bugs. For some reason I'm not receiving them -- where can I fix this?
[05:20] <wgrant> cdm10: There is no setting for that, because it is always the case.
[05:20] <cdm10> grr. I shall have to poke my Gmail filters then.
[05:21] <cdm10> what do bug emails look like? are they prefixed with anything?
[05:21] <wgrant> cdm10: [Bug 12345] at the start of the subject.
[05:22] <cdm10> Dammit, Gmail. Erkh. I figured it out. A careless filter was putting it all in my "Sent Mail."
[05:22] <wgrant> Aha.
[05:29] <wgrant> OH.
[05:29] <wgrant> It all makes sense now.
[05:29] <wgrant> (I was confused by a proxy in front of LP)
[05:30] <wgrant> quentusrex: So, due to bad technical reasons, if you omit an orig.tar.gz it is still reuploaded internally.
[05:31] <wgrant> quentusrex: You might notice that your quota doesn't drop immediately after you delete a package.
[05:31] <wgrant> quentusrex: That's because the files aren't actually removed from the archive disk for some time after you delete them.
[05:31] <quentusrex> right, I noticed the quota thing, but I'm not concerned.
[05:31] <quentusrex> as long as it doesn't count against me, to prevent me from fixing stuff.
[05:32] <wgrant> You should get your quota increased, since you're dealing with big stuff.
[05:32] <wgrant> But each orig.tar.gz should only count against you once.
[05:33] <wgrant> Indeed, in a few hours it probably will only count against you once, as LP realises the three files are the same.
[05:33] <quentusrex> I've sent in a request for more space...
[05:51] <quentusrex> hmm, that makes some sense about the reupload internally,
[05:51] <quentusrex> but it should either not count against the ppa, or it should check to see if it is there, and if it is(plus any other hash checks) then just create a symbolic link or something.
[05:51] <quentusrex> since many packages have the same setup... where they upload orig's then diff off of that for a while.
[05:52] <quentusrex> wgrant: right now I'm trying to fix the build scripts because they assume you have internet access when you  try to build the packages...
[05:52] <wgrant> quentusrex: It doesn't actually duplicate the package on the archive disk. In most cases the file only needs to be in one place, but if it needs to be in multiple places it just symlinks.
[05:52] <wgrant> But there's a file storage location in between the upload and the published archive disk.
[05:52] <wgrant> It's that that has the three copies.
[05:52] <quentusrex> wgrant: awesome to hear about the file system being intelligent.
[05:53] <quentusrex> aah, ok
[05:53] <quentusrex> but why should the end user, the package uploader, know about the 3 copies?
[05:53] <wgrant> quentusrex: Right, for security reasons PPA builds don't have network access apart from the Ubuntu archive.
[05:53] <wgrant> They shouldn't.
[05:53] <quentusrex> ok
[05:54] <wgrant> It's a very internal implementation detail that's unfortunately being exposed by a somewhat strange disk space calculation.
[05:54] <quentusrex> hmm, interesting...
[05:54] <quentusrex> I've been building a GUI professionally for the last 9 months... so I now notice these things...
[05:55]  * quentusrex now has a voice in the back of his head asking "why should the user have to see that , or even know that exists?"
[05:55] <wgrant> Heh.
[05:55] <wgrant> Probably a good thing.
[05:56] <quentusrex> yeah... but it's really annoying when it's someone else's project that I'm looking at...
[05:56] <quentusrex> because it means I might have to make a patch...
[06:20] <jml> happyaron, hi
[06:20] <happyaron> jml: hi
[06:21] <jml> happyaron, I noticed that you've previously answered this open question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/82948
[06:21] <happyaron> jml: yes, what's the matter?
[06:21] <jml> happyaron, the person who asked the question still has another question, and I don't really know how to answer it :)
[06:22] <jml> happyaron, they ask, "Can i create than a new language group in Launchpad Translators?"
[06:22]  * jml doesn't know
[06:22] <happyaron> ah, that's not easy to answer, :)
[06:23] <happyaron> jml: I think we perhaps could tell him how to assign Launchpad Translators for his project
[06:24] <jml> happyaron, ok.
[06:25] <jml> happyaron, I'm sure you could do a much better job of that than I could.
[06:25] <happyaron> jml: okay, I will answer him
[06:25] <jml> happyaron, thank you :)
[06:25] <happyaron> jml: my pleasure, :)
[06:25]  * jml will read the answer, in order to learn more about Translations.
[06:39] <quentusrex> thanks for the post wgrant
[06:39] <quentusrex> I see the comment on the bug report.
[06:40] <wgrant> quentusrex: Confused yet?
[06:46] <quentusrex> wgrant: nope. that makes sense. I deal with a large virtual enviroment already :)
[06:47] <quentusrex> but I just got my first rejection letter because of over sized ppa...
[06:47] <quentusrex> so now I have to reupload the files...
[06:47] <quentusrex> ~400MB....
[06:47] <quentusrex> I wish there was a way to 'retry' files that were rejected for issues like ppa size, etc.
[06:47] <wgrant> Why does that mean you have to reupload them?
[06:48] <wgrant> Has the orig.tar.gz changed?
[06:48] <quentusrex> how do I have them 'retried'?
[06:48] <quentusrex> yes
[06:48] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:48] <quentusrex> I found a problem with where part of the files were located in the orig
[06:48] <quentusrex> :(
[06:48] <wgrant> Multi-hundred megabyte orig.tar.gzs that change a lot are not a good idea.
[06:49] <quentusrex> yeah, I know...
[06:50] <quentusrex> but I have to get it right the first time...
[06:50] <quentusrex> :(
[06:50] <wgrant> Why not testbuild locally?
[06:50] <quentusrex> because it assumes internet connection.
[06:50] <quentusrex> and disabling mine doesn't have the same effect as the launchpad servers...
[06:51] <quentusrex> the build system does checks to other projects for their latest software
[06:51] <quentusrex> to make sure it has the latest stuff,
[06:51] <quentusrex> so I have to add checks to see if there is connection, and if there isn't then skip the checks for latest software....
[06:52] <quentusrex> the previous package lasted over 7 months
[06:52] <quentusrex> but now I need to have that package updated to 1.0.4
[06:53] <wgrant> Ah.
[06:55] <quentusrex> if you are interested in voip, you should really check freeswitch out...
[06:56] <quentusrex> it isn't so friendly to those who 'just want it to work' because it's focused more to those who want to do interesting things
[06:56] <quentusrex> it'll give you all the rope you need, but enough people wind up hanging themselves....
[06:56] <quentusrex> :)
[06:56] <wgrant> Heh.
[06:57] <quentusrex> but it is an order of magnitude more efficient than asterisk, and much more powerful.
[06:57] <quentusrex> but there aren't "slick and easy" gui's for it yet...
[06:59]  * mwhudson definitely wants telephony to "just work"
[07:07] <quentusrex> wgrant: yup, basically I'm done for the night...
[07:07] <quentusrex> I can't upload anything....
[07:07] <quentusrex> not even a 1MB update...
[07:07] <quentusrex> :)
[12:10] <idnar> is launchpad down, or is it just my ISP?
[12:11] <kklimonda> works fine for me
[12:32] <AnAnt> I filed a bug months ago, and I am no more interested in it, how can I unsubscribe myself ?
[12:33] <wgrant> AnAnt: Click the 'Unsubscribe' link on it?
[12:33] <AnAnt> there isn't an 'Unsubscribe' link, rather there is a 'Subscribe' link
[12:33] <AnAnt> but it appears on my bugs page
[12:33] <allee-k> I checked my karma (user allee) and I've 113 rosetta points but I'm sure I've never  worked with rosetta.   What's wrong?  Mhmm souz and branches  points 'feel' too high too.  Is karma page borken?
[12:34] <wgrant> AnAnt: It will appear by default on your bugs page if you have ever commented on it.
[12:34] <AnAnt> I see
[12:35] <AnAnt> karma page is generous
[12:36] <allee-k> AnAnt: that's a point to look at it I can live with :)
[12:48] <virtuald> is it possible to change the mime type on an attachement? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/431856
[13:27] <lodder> when I push a new revision my name is not clickable on the trunk page, how come?
[13:28] <Ursinha> lodder: are your commits signed with a key lp recognizes as yours?
[13:29] <lodder> Ursinha: how do you mean I have 2 ssh keys
[13:29] <lodder> I have added them launchpad
[13:29] <Ursinha> lodder: I mean, when you're committing to the branch, are you signing your commits?
[13:29] <cody-somerville> lodder, did you introduce yourself to bzr with bzr whoami?
[13:29] <wgrant> LP doesn't use the GPG key, just the 'bzr whoami'.
[13:29] <lodder> cody-somerville: no
[13:30] <Ursinha> cody-somerville: would it be enough?
[13:30] <cody-somerville> yup
[13:30] <Ursinha> so, cool
[13:30] <lodder> I have done now with bzr whoami, this is probably for the next commit it will work
[13:31]  * Ursinha learned one more bit
[13:31] <Ursinha> :)
[13:33] <cody-somerville> lodder, what did you pass to whoami?
[13:33] <lodder> just the name
[13:33] <cody-somerville> lodder, the e-mail address has to match an e-mail address you have associated with your launchpad account
[13:34] <lodder> ok
[13:34] <lodder> then it's going to work the next time
[13:34] <wgrant> eg. 'bzr whoami "Some Body<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:35] <lodder> ok now it's ok
[13:35] <lodder> but can you change it from all previous commits or isn't it possible?
[13:35] <wgrant> I don't believe that's easily possible.
[13:36] <lodder> wgrant: and the hard way ?
[13:37] <wgrant> lodder: You'd have to somehow replay all of the commits with a filter. You probably don't want to get into that.
[13:39] <lodder> no I don't
[13:39] <lodder> it's then for all the other things then
[13:39] <lodder> thx for the help
[17:18] <quentusrex> Is someone around?
[17:37] <maxb> quentusrex: You should just ask.
[17:37] <rockstar> maxb, technically, he did ask.  :)
[17:38] <quentusrex> lol
[17:38] <maxb> meh
[17:38] <quentusrex> Well, I'm working with a rather large package. normally ~450 MB with all data and the orig,
[17:38] <maxb> And why is there not any decent "How to ask questions on IRC" webpage to point people at? :-/
[17:38] <maxb> ouchy, that's cumbersome
[17:38] <LarstiQ> maxb: there is
[17:38] <quentusrex> we have it setup to build separate binaries for each of the parts, the largest are about 35MB
[17:39] <maxb> LarstiQ: I have failed to google it, then
[17:39] <quentusrex> is there a way to have it build separate source packages?
[17:39] <LarstiQ> maxb: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[17:40] <LarstiQ> maxb: though "don't ask to ask" might be a bit buried in there
[17:40] <maxb> No, that's just questions in general, little to no advice on how best to interact on IRC
[17:40] <LarstiQ> maxb: ok, let me look for that :)
[17:40] <maxb> quentusrex: Packages don't build source packages. Humans build source packages. Source packages build binary packages. One source package can build multiple binary packages.
[17:40] <LarstiQ> there is http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[17:41] <LarstiQ> and http://jeff.jones.be/technology/articles/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
[17:41] <maxb> nice, /me bookmarks
[17:42] <quentusrex> I was afraid that was going to be the answer....
[17:42] <LarstiQ> maxb: I didn't proofread them
[17:42] <quentusrex> doing orig diff's is nice, but other then that it is 'cumbersome'
[17:43] <LarstiQ> quentusrex: you can try and get upstream to split it into multiple source packages
[17:43] <LarstiQ> quentusrex: perhaps by doing the work and the submitting it
[17:44] <maxb> What's the package? How much is the orig and how much is the diff?
[17:44] <maxb> Does the orig contain multiple subelements, some of which change more often than others?
[17:45] <quentusrex> I'm the only packager for it.
[17:45] <quentusrex> https://edge.launchpad.net/~pbxbuntu-drivers/+archive/ppa/+packages
[17:45] <quentusrex> it's freeswitch, a telephony software
[17:46] <quentusrex> and it has CD quality audio that 'never really changes'
[17:46] <quentusrex> but I haven't been able to find a tutorial or documentation on how to get packages to interact properly... such as upload a source package for the audio, in such a way that the build system can use the audio files.
[17:47] <quentusrex> the diffs are usually only about 1 MB
[17:52] <maxb> In a perfect world, you would convince freeswitch to decouple the packaging of their audio collection and their sourcecode
[17:53] <maxb> If that's not going to happen, you could consider creating two separate source packages both with repacked source tarballs
[17:54] <maxb> The interaction is simple: One source build-depends on the other, and refers to whatever files it needs in their installed locations.
[17:56] <maxb> Or, if you are really lucky, and the audio files are only needed at runtime, you don't even need to have a build-time dependency
[17:59] <quentusrex> hmm, interesting...
[18:05] <RenatoSilva> Can't recall why lp does not have http(s) push. Because it would be too hard to do and give no big benefit?}
[18:20] <v0lksman> hey all!
[18:20] <v0lksman> trying to update Chromium-daily from https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[18:20] <v0lksman> the PPA says there is a new package as of 40 minutes ago...but when I update and upgrade it shows no updates...any ideas?
[18:21] <v0lksman> uh...forget it...I think they are still building
[18:24] <quentusrex> Anyone know how to take over an abandoned launchpad group?
[18:24] <quentusrex> if it hasn't been touched in over 2 years,
[18:32] <RenatoSilva> why doesn't lp have http(s) push? too slow? hard?
[18:33] <maxb> RenatoSilva: How would you authenticate it?
[18:34] <maxb> quentusrex: group? team?
[18:35] <RenatoSilva> maxb: using the site password
[18:35] <quentusrex> maxb: https://launchpad.net/freeswitch
[18:36] <maxb> RenatoSilva: I imagine the concern is that it would lead to encouraging people to put the password in an unsafe form on disk
[18:37] <quentusrex> maxb: It's the project 'FreeSwitch'
[18:38] <quentusrex> but that guy just signed up a new account, registered it, and never touched it again.
[18:38] <RenatoSilva> maxb: trying to recall how exactly the ssh auth works. I imagine it sends some private-key-encrypted token to the server, right?
[18:38] <quentusrex> I've tried contacting him for the last few months, with no effect.
[18:38] <maxb> quentusrex: If you absolutely can't contact the current owner, I guess you'd need to file a question in the launchpad answers tracker and have a conversation with the admins about forcibly reassigning it.
[18:38] <quentusrex> ok
[18:39] <quentusrex> where should that question be posted?
[18:39] <RenatoSilva> maxb: if so, the same token could be sent as an http request param
[18:39] <maxb> quentusrex:  I would imagine they would want to know about your prior attempts to contact previous registrant, and your relationship with the upstream project. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[18:40] <maxb> RenatoSilva: You're hypothesizing a software infrastructure that doesn't currently exist
[18:44] <RenatoSilva> maxb: I'm sorry?
[18:45] <RenatoSilva> maxb: exactly it does not exist, and I'm suggesting to bring it to existence :)
[18:46] <maxb> Well before Launchpad could use it, it would have to be designed, and implemented in released versions of bzr
[18:46] <RenatoSilva> maxb: I just think that if it is bzr that will make the http request, then it could securely send that token as parameter (unless ssh auth does not work that way)
[18:46] <maxb> ssh auth does not work that way
[18:46] <RenatoSilva> maxb: how then?
[18:47] <RenatoSilva> maxb: sorry if I annoy you
[18:47] <maxb> The server sends you a challenge. You sign it with your private key to prove you have your private key. You send the result to the server, which validates this and lets you in
[18:48] <maxb> This model doesn't translate all that well to HTTP
[18:48] <RenatoSilva> it's pretty what I said, or I meant :)
[18:49] <RenatoSilva> maxb: you'd have to bring the challenge mechanism from ssh server itself to bzr server, right
[18:50] <RenatoSilva> so the whole point is that we don't have http push simply because it is hard to implement and would not have a really good benefit?
[18:51] <RenatoSilva> I always forget the right name of the patch generated by bzr send, can anyone tell me?
[18:53]  * maxb suggests "bzr help send"
[18:54] <RenatoSilva> oh merge-directive! sorry, and thanks
[18:55] <maxb> RenatoSilva: Not only would you have to devise a way to securely map publickey auth into an HTTP protocol, you would also have to give the bzr client the capability to securely access the requisite private keys.... and the most obvious way of doing so would be to have it talk to an ssh-agent :-)
[18:56] <maxb> So basically you end up doing a lot of work to send things over a less featureful protocol
[18:56] <maxb> So it's really of interest only to people who are behind paranoid firewalls, AFAICS
[19:17] <RenatoSilva> maxb: well it would be the same way, talking to an ssh-agent
[19:17] <maxb> Indeed. So why not just use ssh :-)
[19:17] <RenatoSilva> maxb: hum but in bzr+ssh does not get access to the priv key, right? it's the ssh-agent that does the auth
[19:18] <maxb> so...?
[19:18] <RenatoSilva> *in bzr+ssh, bzr
[19:19] <RenatoSilva> maxb: so for https push you'd have to make ssh-agent send the auth data over http, which is not possible, or make bzr get access to the private key, which I don't know if it is possible too
[19:20] <RenatoSilva> I don't know if you can ask pageant or so "hey what's the key you have there?"
[19:21] <maxb> You can't, that's the point.
[19:21] <maxb> But that still doesn't answer the question: Why bother to try to use http at all
[19:22] <RenatoSilva> so bzr would need load the file and decrypt the key manually
[19:22] <RenatoSilva> maxb: here at work ssh is blocked
[20:23] <geser> bigjools: is http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31971041/upload_1220587_log.txt also caused by bug 408528?
[20:24]  * bigjools checking
[20:24] <bigjools> geser: yes :/  but I thought the fix had been cherry picked
[20:25] <geser> this was from cjwatson's archive test rebuild, don't know if the fix is used there too already
[20:26] <bigjools> I thought it was picked everywhere
[20:27] <geser> when I look at the upload failures on http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909.html all see to be caused by this bug
[20:30] <bigjools> :(
[20:35] <quentusrex> Anyone know a good way to disable internet connections to simulate an enviroment like launchpad build servers?
[20:37] <exarkun> ifconfig eth0 down
[20:37] <quentusrex> but that would break my ssh connection... :(
[20:37] <quentusrex> but that'll be a decent fallback...
[20:38] <bigjools> iptables
[20:39] <geser> quentusrex: as in most cases the internet is used to download something you could reject all HTTP and FTP traffic
[20:41] <quentusrex> and if I have the source package like I would upload to launchpad, is there a quick command to try to build that locally?
[20:55] <geser> pbuilder is a good tool for it
[23:31] <geser> is the clock for the PPA buildd really that unstable? 27 Oct 08:08:53 ntpdate[3321]: step time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -3526111.553879 sec
[23:32] <wgrant> geser: They are Xen virtual machines that are restored from an ancient image for every build. It wouldn't surprise me.
[23:58] <quentusrex> wgrant: is there a way to 'purge' a ppa?
[23:58] <quentusrex> I want to purge all history and start things over clean
[23:58] <wgrant> quentusrex: No. Why?
[23:58] <wgrant> You could get it disabled and renamed, but why?
[23:58] <quentusrex> due to some naming mistakes I'd like to have them removed.
[23:58] <quentusrex> so that I can start the naming correctly from 'the beginning'
[23:59] <wgrant> You can never upload the same version again, but once you delete them you should be able to upload an older version.
[23:59] <wgrant> And that's much qucker than waiting for an admin to do the disabling.
[23:59] <quentusrex> hmm


[00:19] <theraptor> can anyone tell me how i can get the outside world to recognise my server?
[01:47] <rebel_kid> im looking to set up a new office server and i had a few questions about ubuntu, and if anyone can help hardware
[01:48] <rebel_kid> can it serve network prints, route the network efficiently, control network traffic (restrict sites), can it log internet activity, serve programs, things like that without a headache
[01:48] <rebel_kid> network printers*
[04:43] <ScottK> lamont: Ping (if your still up) - You know why ...
[05:53] <nxvl> kirkland: ping
[06:15] <arooni-mobile> is there any mail server software that allows my client to login in and create new addresses?  easily?  from a web interface?
[08:33] <LMJ> hi
[08:38] <anomalizer> is there a separate channel for JeOS ?
[09:03] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #258674 in samba (main) "Can't connect to Samba/ms windows share" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258674
[11:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #258767 in openvpn (universe) "Please sync openvpn 2.1~rc9-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258767
[11:58] <servidorespillo> hi
[12:51] <servidorespillo> hi anybody know about ubuntu-xen server
[14:04] <leonel> Hello .. Django 1.0 beta is on debian experimental  to make a merge to intrepid  it must be on universe ??
[14:08] <ghaleb> hello, I have installed pptp vpn server, but my clients suffer from very slow connection, my vpn server is not the gateway to the other servers, do u think it's the main reason ?
[15:58] <ajith_> #ubuntu-server
[19:29] <Lunks> !jabber
[19:29] <Lunks> Hmm how to install a jabber server on ubuntu?
[19:29] <Lunks> I've got a server with only 64mb ram and have been trying to install jabber 1.4 with transports, but no success.
[19:44] <sommer> foolano: yo
[19:51] <PierOltdor> hellow my friends
[20:22] <foolano> sommer: yo! I was making some changes to eBox to use the cn=config backend, and I wanted to ask you if you have already made public the ldap doc about the new backend
[20:23] <sommer> foolano: nope, I'm still working on updating the syncrepl section
[20:23] <sommer> foolano: should have something this evening or monday, probably :)
[20:24] <foolano> sommer: cool :)
[21:53] <qman__> hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could help me with one-time passwords using the opie-server and opie-client packages
[21:54] <qman__> I got my server to ask me for one-time passwords and they do work for logins
[21:54] <qman__> however, it won't increment the serial number
[21:54] <qman__> meaning, it asks for the same one every time
[21:54] <qman__> which defeats the purpose, obviously, so can anyone give me some hints?
[21:55] <qman__> the server is running 8.04.1, i386 kernel
[21:56] <qman__> been upgraded a number of times, I think I started with 7.04 on it, not sure
[22:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #258914 in apache2 "apache2 SSI timefmt sometimes ignored " [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258914


[11:59] <cjwatson> ocharles: Build queue times should be much more sensible now.  We're still hovering around capacity until such time as we get the new scalable openstack-based system up, but I think we should generally be able to avoid things as bad as five-hour queues now.
[11:59] <ocharles> cjwatson: it's been looking really good the last few days
[12:00] <ocharles> cjwatson: I queued something and it was already published when I next looked, which was a pleasent surprise :)
[12:00] <cjwatson> Looks like your builds are generally pretty short in and of themselves.
[12:12] <cjwatson> ah, that explains the hour on i386, language packs again
[13:52] <ev> "Your password doesn't meet security constraints. Password must have characters from at least two of the sets of uppercase characters, punctuation and numbers."
[13:53] <cjwatson> ev: I believe that's an SSO thing.
[13:53] <cjwatson> No match for "Your password" in the LP codebase.
[13:53] <ev> cjwatson: any idea what the channel is to get angry at them?
[13:54] <ev> #is?
[13:56] <cjwatson> ev: #u1-support I *think*
[13:56] <cjwatson> (internal)
[13:59] <cjwatson> I'm not sure if there's a suitable external channel
[13:59] <wgrant> ev: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/1220294
[14:00] <ev> thanks wgrant. I'll chase with pindonga
[14:01] <wgrant> (FWIW I think that requirement is counterproductive, but I think SSO has external requirements which mandate such insanity)
[14:03] <cjwatson> PCI DSS?
[14:04] <wgrant> Among other things, yeah


[11:32]  * penguin42 waits for the guy from BT^WOpenReach^WMK Quinn to return as he chases down our broken landline
[11:54] <penguin42> ..who returned and said, ooh main manhole, that'll need BT
[11:59] <penguin42> which doesn't make much sense because he at first said his TDR or whatever said it was a long distance away
[13:19] <zxmpi> underground mapos of cabling are suggestions... at best
[13:36] <penguin42> the only way to find them is to dig a hole and see who complains
[13:40] <zxmpi> ait till there's an agatha christie marathon on during a heatwave for instant results :-P
[13:42] <zxmpi> there was a great one in dublin during the 80s. road works that were started by gas people who disturbed water lines, who disturbed network tv people who disturbed gas people. after over 2 years someone put a battery powered christmas tree on it and it was fixed in a week
[13:47] <penguin42> sounds something like Flanders & Swann 'the gas man cometh'
[13:49] <penguin42> zxmpi: Still, christmas stuff is an interesting way; there was a stuck fire door in Manchester CS dept that had been like it for ages; until someone organised a birthday party for it and invited the head of estates & services
[14:09] <zxmpi> nothing like a little shame and embarrassment to get the paperwork moving
[14:10] <zxmpi> i believe this fixed things for road repairs here https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/potholes-ahead-remove-dentures-tighten-bra-straps-co-donegal-motorists-warned-1453909.html
[14:16] <penguin42> haha
[18:54] <daftykins> penguin42: do you think this line break is a perfect time to change cabinet? \o/
[19:51] <penguin42> daftykins: Would be excellent if it was
[19:52] <daftykins> now's the time tro stroll to the nearby cabinet and fill the lock with loctite ;)
[19:52] <daftykins> -r
[19:52]  * penguin42 was hoping more that it might attract a large lorry
[20:14] <zxmpi> paint a hedgehog on it and a lorry will crush it? :-P


[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:50] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[16:50] <santa_> RikMills: kdeconnect and krdc are out of sync in git at least for the _archive branches
[16:53] <RikMills> santa_: fixed
[16:54] <RikMills> fyi, kdenlive needs new mlt. I am undecided whether to do that, as mlt has soname changes
[16:55] <RikMills> and I don't trust the debian maintainer to do things the same as I might
[16:56] <santa_> I have seen, maybe if I have time I could give you a hand with that
[16:56] <RikMills> santa_: I have packaged it. I will push the changes somewhere later so you can have a look
[16:57] <santa_> you packaged as a new source package, or you updated the existing one?
[16:57] <RikMills> updated
[16:59] <RikMills> santa_: I have also not tested whether the other rdeps of mlt would build ok with it. They are also not very up to date thanks to debian freezes, so I might need work as well
[16:59] <RikMills> *so they
[17:00] <santa_> have you re-used the thing from neon or you did your own thing?
[17:02] <RikMills> my own thing
[17:02] <santa_> ok
[17:19] <RikMills> santa_: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/mlt?h=master


[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Something On A Stick Day!  :-P
[10:18] <Spads> haha


[07:05] <leaf-sheep> Greets.  I wanted to know if Ubuntu-Mobile will be supported in Karmic since I haven't seen anything for Karmic lately in PPA.
[10:05] <davidbarth> lool: hi, can you confirm that #433386 is fix-released on your end?
[10:11] <lool> davidbarth: looking
[10:11] <davidbarth> lool: ok thanks
[10:12] <lool> I mean I'm currently double checking but I'm confident it is given Neil's comment
[10:12] <lool> probably he just didn't close the launcher task
[10:15] <lool> davidbarth: Actually it doesn't look like it is
[10:17] <lool> davidbarth: I see Update Manager and Synaptic Package Manager and Add/Remove Applications (this seems bogus) but no Ubuntu Software Store
[10:18] <lool> davidbarth: I think I know what the bug is
[10:23] <lool> davidbarth: Hmm no
[10:23] <lool> davidbarth: I dont know what's wrong but I dont see it
[10:29] <davidbarth> njpatel: do you have an idea why lool can't get the software store to show up in UNR? ^^
[10:30] <lool> One thing I spotted is that it was missing a colon at the end of the categories list
[10:30] <lool> but adding it and killing netbook-launcher didn't help
[10:31] <njpatel> lool: I see it in yesterdays image  in "system->administration->Ubuntu Software Store", and it runs fine
[10:31] <lool> njpatel: I dont see it in today's image
[10:31] <njpatel> lool: did software-store update yesterday?
[10:31] <lool> I just checked and I really have the latest
[10:31] <davmor2> lool: would you like a confirmation?
[10:31] <lool> davmor2: Yes
[10:31] <lool> njpatel: Yes
[10:32] <njpatel> lool: maybe something in it's desktop file changed. I'll download todays image and see
[10:32] <lool> njpatel: We updated UNR too
[10:33] <njpatel> lool: the code to handle this is in liblauncher, and we didn't touch that
[10:36] <lool> njpatel: I checked and I could get it to appear in Accessories by changing the .desktop file but cant do anything to put it in System
[10:37] <davmor2> transfering to usb now
[10:37] <lool> njpatel: That's from a vm running the .iso from today
[10:38] <njpatel> lool:  I see it on my desktop running the launcher in a window...investigating
[10:39] <davmor2> booting
[10:39] <lool> Hmpf my desktop background changed to pee yellow
[10:43] <davmor2> lool: I don't see software-store on live on hw installing now to check on installed desktop (I'm assuming it won't be there, but better safe than sorry)
[10:46] <lool> njpatel: ^
[10:46] <lool> davidbarth: So I confirm it's not fixed
[10:47] <njpatel> lool: davidbarth: It *was* fixed, they've changed the desktop file so I need to change liblauncher to match
[10:47] <njpatel> lool: davidbarth: I'll make a release in a bit with the fix...it should also prevent this happening in the future
[10:47] <lool> njpatel: Sorry, it's broken again, didn't want to imply it wasnt fixed yesterday
[10:47] <lool> njpatel: Do you think the missing semi-colon is an issue?
[10:48] <njpatel> lool: Heh, sorry, you caught me in the middle of swearing at the software store people
[10:50] <njpatel> lool: no, it's actually an assumption in liblauncher which has been caught out by the change
[10:50] <njpatel> lool: it's a trivial fix, just want to test it to make sure it doesn't happen again
[10:51] <lool> k
[11:08] <davmor2> lool: not on installed either just for the sake of confirmation :)
[11:11] <lool> Ok thanks
[11:30] <njpatel> lool: davidbarth: https://edge.launchpad.net/liblauncher/0.1/0.1.8 fixes the software store issue
[11:32] <lool> njpatel: dropping doc?
[11:32] <njpatel> lool: we didn't build docs for karmic anyway
[11:33] <lool> rehouse_orphans() that's so nice
[11:33] <njpatel> heh :)
[11:44] <lool> njpatel: uploaded but needs release team approval
[11:45] <njpatel> lool: okay, thank you :)
[11:45] <lool> davidbarth: ^
[12:44] <njpatel> lool: hey, no gwibber in the UNR install?
[12:44] <njpatel> lool: it's on the desktop by default, no?
[12:44] <davmor2> njpatel: No gwibber got pulled
[12:44] <njpatel> davmor2: from desktop too?
[12:45] <davmor2> njpatel: unless it changed over night yes.  It's not on my karmic test install
[12:46] <njpatel> davmor2: ah right, I'm probably mistaken then
[12:46] <njpatel> damn, it would have been nice to have that in UNR
[12:46] <davmor2> njpatel: I think it was proposed but got dropped
[12:46] <njpatel> davmor2: Ah I see, thanks
[13:01] <njpatel> bah, gnome-web-photo in karmic is busted
[13:28] <lool> njpatel: Yes it got removed
[13:28] <lool> njpatel: We had it in UNR for a couple of weeks
[13:28] <lool> njpatel: But it needed old libs to go to main IIRC so we could have promoted it, but the plan was for a 2.0 to come soon and for desktop to seed it
[13:28] <lool> njpatel: So we waited for that but it didn't happen
[13:29] <lool> njpatel: Now it seems we have that 2.0 in Ubuntu
[13:29] <lool> I think it's too late to seed it in desktop, and quite late for UNR too
[15:49] <ogra> lool, did the UNR theme reversion happen ?
[15:50] <lool> No, we decided not to
[15:50] <lool> Instead we pushed new Humanity versions and switched the desktop to Humanity as you probably noticed
[15:51] <ogra> can you unmilestone ?
[15:51] <ogra> i didnt, my UNR isntall is over a month old :)
[15:52] <ogra> its still assigned to DX and milestoned for beta
[15:53] <ogra> paulliu, lool, i guess bug 425547 is still in progress ?
[15:54] <paulliu> ogra: yes. it is.
[15:54] <lool> ogra: That bug is still an issue
[15:54] <lool> ogra: We need to fix the colourful icons or the greyscale icons
[15:55] <ogra> ok
[15:56] <ogra> TPM was merged, right ?
[15:57] <lool> We ported the moblin apps to tmc 5 in the PPA
[15:58] <ogra> ok
[16:21] <ian_brasil> rbelem, will you work on the wiki page?
[17:11] <AndIrc> grue	master you about?
[17:16] <lool> GrueMaster: ^
[17:19] <rbelem> ian_brasil, i will work this afternoon
[17:23] <ian_brasil> rbelem, think about what lool said yesterday about the scope..i will do the hildon stuff this weekend and maybe you do the seeds and generate a test image
[17:23] <ian_brasil> what do you think?
[17:26] <rbelem> ian_brasil, ok! after finish the seed things i will help you with the packages
[17:28] <ian_brasil> cool..should we use humanity gtkrc?
[20:46] <davmor3> lool: you about still?
[20:50] <davmor3> lool: When you get this.  Incase you hadn't noticed the latest upgrade pulled pidgin back in.  I'm assuming that shouldn't be the case.


[10:09] <jamesstansell> sweet - I'm not not running gutsy yet but the java6u3 packages that were posted there installed fine on feisty for me
[10:51] <jamesstansell> azureus seem to be running fine with it - haven't tried much else yet
[11:08] <jamesstansell> the applet at radar.weather.gov is working too


[17:07] <pavlushka> Hey zaki, whassup?
[17:16] <zaki> hey
[17:16] <zaki> I'm fine
[17:16] <pavlushka> zaki: had yuor diiner?
[17:17] <zaki> on going :D
[17:17] <zaki> how about you?
[17:18] <pavlushka> zaki: I am ok.
[17:19] <pavlushka> zaki: trying to tream myself by watching a movie
[17:20]  * pavlushka watching kaahani 2
[17:20] <zaki> wow
[17:20] <zaki> :D
[17:20] <pavlushka> s/tream/treat
[17:20] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: zaki: trying to treat myself by watching a movie
[17:21] <zaki> good way
[17:22] <pavlushka> yeah
[17:24] <zaki> how is it?
[17:24] <zaki> that movie
[17:26] <pavlushka> zaki: its a bidya balan movie, supposed to be good, realistic, I dont like to mush fictitious story where the protagonist has awesome power or luck, in short heroism
[17:28] <pavlushka> zaki: for instance, take Shahrukh Khan movies where when the Hero tries to do something, things just happens
[17:29] <pavlushka> *happen
[17:29] <zaki> aha. :D
[17:29] <zaki> what about superman, batman etc. :D
[17:31] <pavlushka> zaki: :d, well you start watching the movie knowing it to be unreal, fictitous and too much happening. like watching a circus or magic show.
[18:35] <zaki> right :D


[06:32] <bashok> can someone shed some light on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1261780
[06:32] <_mup_> Bug #1261780: go 1.1.2 TLS-enabled client does not accept our CACert <security> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261780>
[06:37] <sarnold> bashok: ignoring the fact that the question is about node.js :) ... http://stackoverflow.com/a/14090402/377270
[06:45] <bashok> sarnold, thanks for the pointer, does it mean that my cert needs to have subjectAltName that points to the IP in the URI,
[06:47] <davecheney> i'm pretty sure you can't use ip addresses in subjectAldNames
[06:47] <davecheney> but it's been a while
[06:48] <sarnold> bashok: I don't know if the request is being made by IP or not, but if it is, that would make sense to try
[06:49] <sarnold> davecheney: I don't know if future RFCs removed the ability, but RFC 2818 says in part, "In some cases, the URI is specified as an IP address rather than a
[06:49] <sarnold> hostname. In this case, the iPAddress subjectAltName must be present in the certificate and must exactly match the IP in the URI."
[06:49] <bashok> sarnold, thanks i will give a try to that
[06:50] <davecheney> sarnold: right
[06:50] <davecheney> thanks
[06:50] <davecheney> this would only be for self signed certs
[06:51] <davecheney> no CA would sign a cert for an IP
[06:52] <sarnold> hahaha
[06:52] <sarnold> davecheney: man I hope you're right :)
[06:52] <sarnold> course worse things have happened..
[09:47] <Shamaria> Hi all
[09:47] <Shamaria> I'm a bit new to juju .. and I have a basic question
[09:48] <Shamaria> What is the difference/relationship between openstack and juju
[09:48] <Shamaria> ?
[09:52] <Shamaria> is it based in anyway on openstack??
[09:57] <lazypower> Shamaria, its not based on openstack. Juju sits a layer above openstack
[09:57] <lazypower> Juju is an orchestration layer, that interfaces with your provisioner and deployer
[09:58] <Shamaria> lazypower: thanks for the answer
[09:59] <lazypower> Anytime
[09:59] <Shamaria> so, does it require the presence of openstack?
[09:59] <Shamaria> for any reason?
[09:59] <lazypower> Nope. It runs on HPCloud, AWS, Azure, and has support for LXC Containers via the local provider.
[09:59] <lazypower> Its important to know you can deploy openstack with juju - since I left it off that last list.
[10:00] <Shamaria> interesting!
[10:00] <Shamaria> so it is good to have tool anyway!
[10:01] <lazypower> That it is. I encourage you to head over to jujucharms.com and interface with the demo gui to get a feel for what it can offer you
[10:01] <Shamaria> I've seen a list of supported applications, they call it charms
[10:02] <Shamaria> that can be delpoyed for me
[10:02] <Shamaria> which very good
[10:02] <Shamaria> I will take the venture and try it
[10:02] <lazypower> Yep, and anything that's not there you can write a charm for in your deployer of choice. Whether that be shell script, ansible, chef, compiled bins.
[10:02] <Shamaria> Wow
[10:03] <Shamaria> lazypower: I'm really glad talking to you today
[10:03] <lazypower> Glad I could be of help. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask
[10:03] <Shamaria> sure I will :) ... what is the best place to get stared?
[10:04] <lazypower> I'm assuming you're running Ubuntu on a rig with at least 8gb of ram and 20gb of free disk space?
[10:04] <Shamaria> not really, but I'll handle such requirement
[10:04] <lazypower> I got started with the local provider - https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-local.html
[10:05] <Shamaria> does it need all the 8GB of ram??
[10:06] <lazypower> Only if you're planning on deploying 3+ services on a local provider configuration
[10:06] <Shamaria> I see
[10:06] <lazypower> it runs quite well on AWS small instances
[10:07] <Shamaria> v.nice
[10:07] <ashipika> actually i'm playing with virtual machines and null environment :D
[10:07] <Shamaria> ya!
[10:07] <lazypower> Hows that coming ashipika? I haven't taken a look at the null provider in about a month. I htinkt hey just pushed another rev this week didn't they?
[10:08] <ashipika> it's going great..
[10:09] <Shamaria> one last question friends ... is the MAAS to Juju is like Hypervisor to Openstack??
[10:09] <ashipika> i created two images.. a "controller" image and a "compute" image.. controller is automatically bootstrapped when it starts (and has at least 5GB of persistence partition - labeled casper-rw) and when i boot up a compute VM (again with at least 5GB of persistence) it automatically adds itself to the juju environment..
[10:09] <lazypower> awesome :)
[10:09] <ashipika> you can check it out here: xmaas.xlab.si (no connection to maas)
[10:09] <ashipika> just writing a short tutorial for our guys
[10:09] <lazypower> Shamaria, Correct. Maas is a provisioner, same as the hypervisor.
[10:10] <lazypower> only, it works with bare metal not virtual machines.
[10:10] <Shamaria> u mean real servers?
[10:10] <lazypower> Correct
[10:10] <Shamaria> and can't be VMs
[10:10] <ashipika> yes.. read servers
[10:10] <Shamaria> Oh .. I see
[10:11] <lazypower> well, dont say can't be vm's
[10:11] <Shamaria> LOOL .. I get you
[10:11] <lazypower> because as I understand it, there is support for LXC containers coming to MAAS in the future
[10:11] <lazypower> no ETA on it from me though, because its from the rumor mill at this point.
[10:11] <ashipika> but MAAS requires you to have a separate network, because it needs to set up its own DHCP and DNS servers
[10:11] <lazypower> I want to play with MAAS so bad, i just dont have the setup for it.
[10:12] <ashipika> try my images.. close to maas, but not quite :)
[10:12] <ashipika> and it works in VMs
[10:12] <Shamaria> that's great to hear ... isn't MAAS a base rquirement for Juju?
[10:12] <Shamaria> that juju can't work without?
[10:12] <lazypower> Tell ya what ashi, when I'm not writing a plan for reducing cost of ownership on a network I'll do that.
[10:13] <lazypower> Shamaria, incorrect. Juju is independent of MAAS
[10:13] <Shamaria> when mass is needed then
[10:13] <Shamaria> ?
[10:13] <ashipika> only when you want to provision bare metal servers..
[10:13] <ashipika> and deploy your services on the
[10:13] <lazypower> When you want to use MAAS as a provisioner, it would assume the role that one of the other providers is assuming (Read: AWS, HPCloud, LXC, Etc.)
[10:13] <ashipika> them\
[10:14] <Shamaria> does this mean juju uses a similar architecutre of openstack's??
[10:15] <Shamaria> database, rabbitmq, ...
[10:15] <Shamaria> etc.
[10:15] <ashipika> juju can deploy those for you..
[10:15] <lazypower> It uses a controller unit, rabbitmq, zookeeper, mongodb.
[10:15] <lazypower> so not quite like openstack
[10:15] <Shamaria> but the same idea
[10:15] <lazypower> i'm going to disclaim this - i'm not an openstack expert by *any* sense of the phrase
[10:16] <lazypower> so take my comparisons with a grain of salt and maybe some light research.
[10:16] <Shamaria> Ok
[10:16] <ashipika> openstack does not deploy services for you, does it?
[10:16] <Shamaria> it is an IAAS
[10:16] <lazypower> i dont think so
[10:16] <ashipika> yes
[10:17] <Shamaria> so it doesn't help you providing any service
[10:17] <ashipika> juju deploys services and does orchestration in a beautiful way :)
[10:17] <ashipika> exactlly
[10:17] <Shamaria> but it helps managing your cloud of servers
[10:17] <Shamaria> Yes
[10:17] <Shamaria> That's what I newly knew :)
[10:18] <ashipika> so if you say juju deploy something it will by default as the provider to provision a new machine.. unless you specify --to option that lets you decide where you want to deploy stuff
[10:19] <Shamaria> so, can I make use of virtual cloud machines to be that new machine?
[10:19] <lazypower> yep
[10:19] <ashipika> yup
[10:19] <Shamaria> so it can be utilized on top of openstack
[10:19] <Shamaria> that;s really good
[10:19] <ashipika> yes
[10:20] <Shamaria> why Juju is not that famous
[10:20] <ashipika> or use maas if you have some extra machines around
[10:20] <Shamaria> does it have bugs or it is unreliable in any way?
[10:20] <Shamaria> ashipika: Yes
[10:21] <ashipika> well.. it is in development.. so yes, expect some bugs.. i stumbled upon a few while testing.. but the good thing is that development is really active and bugs get fixed quickly
[10:21] <lazypower> Shamaria, its gaining steam. The best part of juju is the quality gating through the charm store
[10:22] <lazypower> your work will not be listed as public unless it passes the community review process
[10:22] <lazypower> This works for building block charms, i'm helping a company here in Pittsburgh onboard with juju for their proprietary stuff since the orchestration just "makes sense"
[10:24] <Shamaria> I see
[10:24] <Shamaria> what is the mature similar application out there, I'm talking about open source ones?
[10:24] <lazypower> I think the big draw for juju is the gui, and the fact you're not tied to a specific framework for your deployer.
[10:24] <ashipika> br
[10:24] <ashipika> b
[10:24] <lazypower> The wordpress charm works really well, discourse, mongodb
[10:25] <lazypower> I'm getting pretty close to pushing a release candidate for errbit
[10:26] <Shamaria> I thought Juju's power is its GUI
[10:26] <Shamaria> what do you mean by "specific framework for your deployer"??
[10:26] <lazypower> The gui is slick, but everything you do in the gui you can do with the CLI
[10:26] <Shamaria> of course
[10:26] <lazypower> Meaning you're not tied to just chef, or ansible, or bash.
[10:27] <lazypower> you can literally use whatever deployer framework you want
[10:27] <Shamaria> is that a bad thing?
[10:27] <lazypower> nope, its flexible
[10:27] <Shamaria> yep
[10:28] <Shamaria> brb
[10:28] <ashipika> the only thing i REALLY miss in GUI is the --to option
[10:33] <Shamaria> I'm back
[10:33] <Shamaria> One very important question
[10:34] <Shamaria> after installaing some architecture with the required connections between the apps
[10:34] <Shamaria> then I decided for any reason to uninstall the juju
[10:34] <ashipika> yes?
[10:34] <Shamaria> will this affect by any mean the installed architecture
[10:34] <ashipika> well.. no.. unless juju gets stuck destroying a unit or something..
[10:35] <lazypower> I don't think that's recommended. You can power down the controller unit when its not in use to help reduce overhead costs if thats you're concern
[10:35] <ashipika> but i would say that really depends on the charms you deploy
[10:37] <ashipika> lazypower: do i understand correctly that i must subscribe "charmers" if i want a charm to go through the review process?
[10:38] <lazypower> Correct
[10:38] <lazypower> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-store.html
[10:39] <lazypower> in-case you need a refresher.
[10:39] <rawang> hello guys , i wonder after I installed ceph-radosgw, how do i test it from cli?
[10:41] <Shamaria> lazypower: , ashipika: one point is still not so clear to me ... is it possible that MAAS will consider VMs as bare-metals
[10:42] <ashipika> i never played with VMs and MAAS.. since it uses PXE boot to provision new machine it need to set up its own DHCP server or change the existing one -> our admins would go bat-crazy if i tried that..  so i created a dedicated network just for MAAS testing..
[10:43] <lazypower> Shamaria, http://www.slideshare.net/openstackindia/maas-juju-introduction
[10:43] <Shamaria> this makes you opt for the virtualization
[10:44] <lazypower> really good set of slides over Juju, Maas, and whats capable at a high level.
[10:44] <Shamaria> moreover, there must be a way to disable the isntallation of DHCP and DNS servers
[10:47] <Shamaria> lazypower: the presentation you sent means yes
[10:47] <Shamaria> MAAS can handle cloud instances as bare metal
[10:48] <Shamaria> Did I get it right?
[10:48] <lazypower> Not a MAAS expert, last i tried maas it wanted bare metal.
[10:48] <lazypower> i think theres a VMAAS coming down the tube, but its going to be experimental if its available
[10:49] <Shamaria> what if I wanted to deploy the service on multiple VMs
[10:49] <Shamaria> what shall be done
[10:49] <Shamaria> will I have to handle this manually?
[10:50] <lazypower> Depends on the provider. If you're using one of the supported providers - no. It talks to the provider via their API and spins up a new server, bootstraps it, and then loads your service
[10:50] <lazypower> if you're going with the null provider, provisioning machines is a manual process
[10:51] <Shamaria> I'm afraid I have a very basic question ... what is the provider ?
[10:52] <lazypower> Juju supports provider environments. Think of the provider as whatever service is going to be "providing" your machines. If thats bare metal, virtual, or otherwise.
[10:54] <Shamaria> I see your point
[10:54] <Shamaria> do you have examples of providers?
[10:54] <ashipika> Shamaria: as i wrote earlier.. if you want to play with VMs you can always try the images at xmaas.xlab.si and the null environment/provider
[10:55] <ashipika> it also gives you the option of creating bootable CD/USB, plug it into a machine and have it "bare metal"
[10:55] <ashipika> i.e. without virtualization
[10:55] <Shamaria> ashipika: Yes, you already said that .. exuese my novelty :)
[10:55] <Shamaria> Thanks a lot
[10:56] <lazypower> ashipika, bookmarked for later :)
[10:56] <Shamaria> hahaha
[10:56] <ashipika> > /dev/null :D
[10:56] <Shamaria> LOL
[10:59] <Shamaria> lazypower: , ashipika:  I really thank you both a lot
[10:59] <Shamaria> I learned much from you today
[10:59] <lazypower> Anytime. Happy to help
[10:59] <Shamaria> I'll keep returning to this room
[10:59] <ashipika> Shamaria: you're welcome.. i'm just a juju beginner myself
[11:00] <Shamaria> but you helped a lot :)
[11:00] <Shamaria> You both have a really good day/night
[13:53] <InformatiQ> Hei guys anyone care to test this charm for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/795480
[13:53] <_mup_> Bug #795480: Charm needed: Trac <bitesize> <Juju Charms Collection:Incomplete by rhanna> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/795480>
[15:17] <marcoceppi> jcastro: remember when you used to be able to get PNGs of a juju deployment
[15:17] <marcoceppi> was that in jitsu?
[15:17] <jcastro> it wasn't png's it was a gource thing
[15:17] <jcastro> we just piped status to gource
[15:17] <jcastro> or do you mean like a picture of a deployment? I don't think we ever did that did we?
[15:18] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we def did. I can't remember if it was juju status --format=png or if it was in jitsu
[15:19] <jcastro> huh
[16:18] <jcastro> marcoceppi, ok here we go
[16:18] <marcoceppi> jcastro: where are we going!
[16:18] <jcastro> I am going to test negronjl's sharding mongo config via the local provider
[16:19]  * marcoceppi holds breath
[16:19] <negronjl> jcastro: good luck ( you'll need it ) :)
[16:29] <jcastro> negronjl, load is 10!
[16:30] <negronjl> jcastro: never tested it on local provider ... better you than me :P
[16:30] <jcastro> yeah
[16:30] <jcastro> it's not bad
[16:30] <jcastro> machine is totally usable
[16:31] <jcastro> load is now 15 and climbing
[16:37] <jcastro> negronjl, dude, it's working
[16:37] <jcastro> well, well on its way to working
[16:37] <negronjl> jcastro: cool
[16:47] <lazypower> Nice! You're swamping me already, i only deployed 12 units
[16:47] <lazypower> 3 shards, x repls + config servers + arbiter
[16:48] <lazypower> Let me see your YAML when you're done please
[19:26] <jcastro> jorge@jilldactyl:~$ sudo juju bootstrap
[19:26] <jcastro> ERROR cannot use 37017 as state port, already in use
[19:26] <jcastro> marcoceppi, any ideas there?
[19:32] <jcastro> hi fwereade
[19:32] <jcastro> any idea why I would get this:
[19:32] <jcastro> jorge@jilldactyl:~$ sudo juju bootstrap
[19:32] <jcastro>  ERROR cannot use 37017 as state port, already in use
[19:32] <marcoceppi> jcastro: it means you've already got juju-db running
[19:32] <jcastro> oh ok
[19:32] <jcastro> so restart it?
[19:32] <marcoceppi> initctl list | grep juju
[19:33] <marcoceppi> sounds like a bad destroy
[19:33] <jcastro> it is not running
[19:33] <jcastro> but yeah, probably a bad destroy
[19:33] <marcoceppi> something is using that port, what does ps -aef | grep mongo show?
[19:33] <fwereade> jcastro, yeah, that sounds most likely
[19:33] <jcastro> mongod is using the port
[19:33] <jcastro> do I stop or restart it?
[19:33] <fwereade> jcastro, if you set api-port and state-port you should be able to run multiple local providers fwiw
[19:33] <marcoceppi> stop it
[19:34] <jcastro> when I stop it it seems to fire back up
[19:34] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ohhhhhh
[19:35] <marcoceppi> jcastro: these are probably per user upstart jobs
[19:35] <marcoceppi> maybe not, idk if juju is using thatyet
[19:35] <marcoceppi> what does sudo initctl list | grep juju show?
[19:36] <jcastro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6722577/
[19:37] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, sudo stop juju-db-root-local
[19:37] <marcoceppi> jcastro: then
[19:37] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I want you to try something different
[19:37] <jcastro> ok
[19:37] <marcoceppi> don't use sudo during bootstrap
[19:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro: the suspense is killing me
[19:47] <jcastro> ok
[19:47] <jcastro> errors out with the normal "sudo must be used"
[19:48] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ah, damn. Thought something magically had happened
[19:48] <jcastro> should I try to sudo bootstrap again?
[19:49] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yes
[19:49] <jcastro> ERROR Get http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8040/provider-state: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:8040: connection refused
[19:49]  * thumper looks briefly at chatter
[19:49] <thumper> you guys tring to get multiple local providers working on one machine?
[19:49] <jcastro> no
[19:49] <marcoceppi> thumper: no, just one
[19:49] <thumper> oh
[19:49] <jcastro> I am trying to get one local working
[19:50] <marcoceppi> jcastro: try your good 'ol .jenv dump
[19:50] <thumper> jcastro: what is the tl;dr of the situation?
[19:50] <jcastro> I ran out of disk space
[19:51] <jcastro> so I added a drive and remounted /var/lib/lxc
[19:52] <jcastro> ERROR environment is already bootstrapped
[19:52] <jcastro> when I try to bootstrap, but there are no containers running
[19:52] <marcoceppi> delete the local.jenv ?
[19:52] <jcastro> yep
[19:52] <thumper> jcastro: are you looking for the definitive list of shit to delete?
[19:52] <marcoceppi> jcastro: rm -f /etc/init/juju-* ?
[19:53] <thumper> there are to init files in /etc/init, one for the machine agent and one for the mongo db
[19:53] <thumper> there is a file in /etc/rsyslog.d for the logging
[19:53] <thumper> there are the containers defined in /var/lib/juju/containers
[19:53] <thumper> there are the containers themselves in /var/lib/lxc
[19:53] <thumper> there is the directory in ~/.juju/<environ>
[19:54] <thumper> there is the .jenv file in ~/.juju/environments
[19:54] <thumper> nuke all those
[19:54]  * marcoceppi makes notes
[19:54] <jcastro> which is the file for mongo?
[19:54]  * thumper looks
[19:54] <jcastro> mongodb.conf?
[19:55] <thumper> nope
[19:55] <thumper> /etc/init/juju-db-<user>-<envname>.conf
[19:55] <thumper> /etc/init/juju-agent-<user>-<envname>.conf for the machine agent
[19:56] <jcastro> should I move back to 1.16.5?
[19:56] <thumper> /etc/rsyslog.d/25-juju-<user>-<envname>.conf
[19:56] <thumper> jcastro: this hasn't really changed between 1.16.5 and 1.17
[19:56] <jcastro> sigh
[19:56] <jcastro> this never works for me
[19:57] <jcastro> I'll just skip this and come back to it
[19:58] <jcastro> I'm supposed to be reviewing 2 charms a day, not one charm in 2 days!
[19:58] <thumper> :-(


[21:02] <mup> PR operator#786 closed: Make Harness more strict in validating relation data contents (on write) <Created by PietroPasotti> <Merged by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/786>