[00:46] <jurgs> is it possible to mount a slave drive for use with unetbootin? I am using a wubi install of xubuntu 8.10 on a win98 computer
[07:40] <Mugga> Hi! I have a problem with my Xubuntu. It freezes before I'm able to log in. It also froze when I tried the LiveCD. I made the install with the alternate cd, and everything went fine, but as mentioned earlier, it freezes before I'm able to log in. Do you guys have any idea?
[07:45] <Mugga> Anyone here?
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> it might be a video driver issue
[08:03] <psycho_oreos> are you able to get into one of the tty?
[08:03] <Mugga> Im sorry, tty?
[08:04] <psycho_oreos> its a console
[08:04] <psycho_oreos> terminal/console
[08:04] <Mugga> Where do I get into that?
[08:04] <psycho_oreos> you do the following key combinations: Ctrl+Alt+F{1-7}
[08:05] <Mugga> When do I press that?
[08:05] <psycho_oreos> you press that when your screen freezes, if that doesn't work try doing it before it freezes
[08:06] <Mugga> okay.. just a sec
[08:06] <psycho_oreos> fyi, Ctrl+Alt+F7 is xorg server
[08:09] <Mugga> okay.. I just logged in in the console
[08:09] <psycho_oreos> I'd use top to see if xorg is using lots of cpu
[08:10] <psycho_oreos> probably not, even if not, there should be info in the xorg.log
[08:11] <Mugga> xorg is using >1 %
[08:11] <psycho_oreos> hmm and so the login screen is frozen right?
[08:12] <Mugga> It allways freezes when I get to the login screen yes, and often the entire screen is transformed in to a million vertican lines in different color
[08:13] <psycho_oreos> yeah the signs of driver issue
[08:13] <psycho_oreos> which video chip you got?
[08:13] <Mugga> ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9700 AGP (0x4E50)
[08:29] <Mugga> Any news?
[08:42] <Mugga> psycho_oreos ?
[08:46] <ARMENIAN> why does xfce use 253 MB of ram whereas gnome uses 234?
[08:47] <jadez03> thats odd ARMENIAN, gnome uses 2x more memory than xfce on my laptop
[08:48] <ARMENIAN> jadez03: could it be that i installed ubuntu then i did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop rather than doing and install with the xubuntu cd?
[08:48] <ARMENIAN> but i dont think that should be the problem
[08:48] <ARMENIAN> i mean with compiz on in gnome i go to the process viewer and it shows that it uses more :(
[08:50] <ARMENIAN> use less*
[08:50] <ARMENIAN> uses* less than xfce
[08:58] <ARMENIAN> jadez03: how much ram is xfce using for u?
[09:14] <psycho_oreos> Mugga, you'll need to try to enable vesa mode I suppose, get by for a bit and then get either the open sourced drivers or the proprietary (fglrx)
[09:14] <psycho_oreos> !vesa
[09:14] <psycho_oreos> !x
[09:15] <psycho_oreos> the link to that resolution of X problem contains some useful info
[09:23] <slow-motion> hi
[09:30] <slow-motion> http://img5.imagebanana.com/view/o0ihxzx/firefoxkaputt.png < how do i get rid of the f*cking backshlash that firefox makes everytime i write a search in ""?
[09:37] <Mugga> psycho_oreos I read that it was my chip is the problem because it isn't updated anymore
[09:37] <Mugga> https://danishbits.org/redir.php?url=http://tan-com.com/posts/technology/linux-os/fix-ubuntu-904-ati-driver-issue
[09:37] <Mugga> http://tan-com.com/posts/technology/linux-os/fix-ubuntu-904-ati-driver-issue
[09:38] <Mugga> I just downloaded an old version of xubuntu 6.06, and the live cd works great... can I perform the "trick" as the link above shows, or do I have to update xubuntu first?
[09:45] <psycho_oreos> Mugga, that second link, you may as well do it in jaunty because its suited to jaunty and its a lot less mucking around compared to upgrading feisty (I think)
[09:47] <Mugga> how do I open in vesa mode then?
[09:48] <psycho_oreos> well don't :) just follow the guide on the second link you posted, do it all in the terminal/console
[09:49] <Mugga> And that I can't do in 6.06, right?
[09:52] <psycho_oreos> vesa mode? you probably can, but what's the point? 9.04 has the latest kernel and all the nice little features that comes with it. 6.06 is outdated and is only useful should you find 9.04 in your case worse than how 6.06 would have performed.. if you were to use 6.06 and update it to 9.04, you have to download literally everything and who knows what the outcome will be like. You'll probably end up with a stuffed up system configurat
[09:52] <psycho_oreos> ion to give you more headaches
[09:52] <psycho_oreos> you've said before you were using 9.04 so why forcefully switch to 6.06 and upgrade it to the latest? wouldn't that be far more effort?
[09:53] <Mugga> But I haven't been able to log in at all in 9.04, so how do I follow the guide with no internet set up and all?
[09:54] <psycho_oreos> well weren't you doing it whilst I was helping you before? or is that the only computer you have?
[09:55] <Mugga> I have 2 computers but the one I'm trying to use Xubuntu on isn't setup because I've never been able to log in
[09:56] <psycho_oreos> yeah but if you can log in via console (which you did say before that you could) then why not have one computer with the screen on that page and on the other set it up? or print it out?
[09:56] <psycho_oreos> those commands don't require GUI for that matter
[09:57] <Mugga> But the guide says that it needed an internet connection to be able to perform the commands properly
[10:00] <psycho_oreos> well let the other computer have the internet for a bit and load up that page, unplug the network cable and use the computer that needs setting up have internet access, simple
[10:00] <psycho_oreos> don't you have router at home? lol
[10:02] <Mugga> okay, but there's a step that seems to be impossible to do without gui: "In gedit, simply select the word “jaunty” anywhere in the file and click on “Replace” on the tool bar. When the dialogue box comes up, type “intrepid” into the box labeled “Replace With:” and click “Find” then “Replace All”"
[10:03] <psycho_oreos> I guess you can do it by hand, copy the file across via `sneaker' net setup or learn using some of the CLI editors
[10:06] <Mugga> This is getting too complicated... I appreciate your help, but I think I have to find someone that can do this for me... Sorry to have wasted your time :(
[11:22] <jbk`> When I'm trying to run a run-able script from terminal or mc, I get an error message "bash: command x not found" -> example -> in folder /home/parek/nquake I want to run a file called ezquake-gl.glx, however, even if I am in that folder and write ezquake-gl.glx, I get that error message, the same thing when trying to run it in mc or thunar
[11:22] <jbk`> Have I accidentaly changed something? :O
[11:25] <_Pete_> check it has +x permissions set
[11:29] <jbk`> yes
[11:29] <_Pete_> and what does it say when in folder you do: ./ezquake-gl.glx
[11:29] <jbk`> bash: command not found
[11:29] <_Pete_> with ./
[11:29] <_Pete_> in front also?
[11:31] <jbk`> yes
[11:36] <SiDi> jbk`: what is the exact and complete error message please ?
[11:38] <jbk`> SiDi: bash: command ezquake-gl.glx not found
[11:38] <jbk`> probably googled the reason
[11:38] <jbk`> since I've got an x86_64 kernel and it has probably been compiled for a 32bit kernel
[11:39] <jbk`> so I'm downloading an x86_64 version right now
[11:39] <jbk`> and I'll see if is it going to help
[11:39] <_Pete_> btw what is nquake?
[11:39] <SiDi> If it's a script it's not compiled
[11:39] <jbk`> _Pete_: A package containing a port of a game called quakeworld called "ezquake" + maps
[11:40] <jbk`> true, it's not a script in this case
[11:40] <jbk`> (-:
[11:40] <_Pete_> homepage?
[11:40] <jbk`> nquake.com
[11:40] <_Pete_> thx
[11:40] <SiDi> please type : "cd ~/nquake && ls -l"
[11:41] <jbk`> yes, it does have -x permissions
[11:41] <SiDi> I was more worried about knowing if you were in the good folder :p
[11:42] <jbk`> :))))
[11:42] <jbk`> alright, I was right
[11:42] <_Pete_> jbk`: 32bit apps should also run on 64bit systems
[11:42] <jbk`> _Pete_: well
[11:42] <jbk`> downloaded a 64bit executioner
[11:42] <jbk`> and it works now
[11:42] <jbk`> :)
[11:42] <_Pete_> good then
[12:29] <gastly> hi all, can anyone tell me how to get notify-osd to work in xubuntu?
[13:40] <Kangarooo> I made useradd guest and now trying to log in w/o paswword couse password isn't specified but it say username or password incorect
[13:40] <Kangarooo> also tryd making passeword and then -d
[13:43] <Kangarooo> didn't work.
[13:43] <Kangarooo> here is somekind manual solution for distros like #! who has gdm http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/05-2004/10149.html
[13:45] <creative> hi
[13:46] <creative> i have recently installed xubuntu 9.04 but i can't see computer icon
[13:46] <Kangarooo> creative: you firs time using? itz not windowz it has aint no cumputer lol icon :)
[13:47] <creative> yes i am using it first time, but i have used ubuntu 8.10 there i can see computer icon
[13:48] <Kangarooo> hehe I already told :) gimme screenshot with home icon ill tell you made it :)
[13:48] <Kangarooo> on top panel there's Applications And Places open places and navigate in filesystem
[13:49] <Kangarooo> on destop there's only filesystem and home and trash icons by default
[13:49] <Kangarooo> and when plugged in usb device its icon also I put on desktop
[13:50] <creative> i can see file system, but i can't see any logical partitionm which i have made for my home folder
[13:50] <Kangarooo> no computer icon
[13:51] <Kangarooo> if you installed easy mode (not advanced) then its in Places -> (your usrname)
[13:51] <creative> if i want to store any thing on my logical partition how can i do that?
[13:53] <Kangarooo> files you can store in home folder username folder . /home/"usrname"/ folder contains folders- desktop pictures video documents
[13:55] <creative> if i store video under video than will that store in logical drive
[13:56] <Kangarooo> Yes
[13:58] <creative> my home folder is on logical drive "Var" can i change that name of that folder to any other name and can put the same shortcut on desktop
[13:59] <Kangarooo> didn't understand. maybe someone else can answer to this.
[14:00] <creative> i mean to say can i change the logical drive name for better understanding?
[14:01] <Kangarooo> how did you made logical drive name Var? is linux installed in Var?
[14:05] <creative> at the time of installing i made partition for logical drive i got this name by default
[14:06] <Kangarooo> if you installed easy mode.. I told that.. so you installed advanced mode?
[14:08] <creative> easy mode
[14:24] <HGF> hello, i am having trouble with java (applets not working even though i installed the JRE). is any1 around to help?
[15:51] <manila1> Hi. I need help. Installed Xubuntu 9.04 via Wubi on an old Compaq Presario C500 notebook. There's this annoying, endless, knocking/clicking sound. What does it mean? How do I stop it?
[15:51] <zmisc> where is the sound coming from?
[15:52] <manila1> from  inside the notebook
[15:55] <tonyo> help please
[15:56] <charlie-tca> !help | tonyo
[16:00] <zmisc> too many impatient people
[16:30] <SiDi> tonyo's problem was probably this HDD spinning problem
[16:30] <SiDi> that's annoying forhim
[16:35] <zmisc> Xubuntu is pretty nice
[16:35] <zmisc> :D
[17:13] <superdaniel49> hey does anyone here know how to put a program launcher on the Xfce desktop?
[17:25] <zaza> How many RAM does the xubuntu normally consumes?
[17:31] <SiDi> Depends whether 32 or 64 b
[17:31] <SiDi> its meant to run with 192MB
[17:34] <zaza> 32
[17:34] <zaza> Ah, thanks!
[17:44] <superdaniel49> if u use the alternate install cd ,then u can just use 128 MB of memory
[18:03] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody
[18:04] <MacSlow> Can someone do me a favour compile and run this http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m2dc12525 and paste me the output here? Thanks in advance!
[18:05] <SiDi> MacSlow: heya :D
[18:05] <MacSlow> SiDi, hi there
[18:06] <SiDi> mind posting it in paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:06] <SiDi> cant select lines without the line numbers with pastebin :|
[18:06] <SiDi> err whatever
[18:06] <MacSlow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/227948/
[18:06] <SiDi> Thanks
[18:07] <SiDi> Now i need to remember how to link libs :|
[18:07] <MacSlow> see the header of the file
[18:08]  * SiDi self /facepalm
[18:09] <SiDi> window-manager: Xfwm4
[18:09] <SiDi> MacSlow: here we go
[18:09] <SiDi> kudos :P
[18:09] <MacSlow> thx
[18:09] <SiDi> np
[18:41] <Araneidae> Any reason why xfce4-keyboard-settings shouldn't work on openbox?  Presumably key settings happen in a common handler somewhere?
[18:54] <SiDi> Araneidae: i think you need xfce4-settings-helper to run
[18:54] <SiDi> For the keyboard shortcuts / settings to work
[19:13] <Araneidae> Ok, I'll give that a go.  I run it up first, I guess?
[19:13] <Araneidae> Hm: can't connect to session manager (not all that surprising I guess).
[19:14] <Araneidae> My problem is actually that I want to temporarily disable autorepeat ... and `xset r off` causes mayhem on openbox, for some reason!
[20:53] <nztal> will the xubuntu jaunty alternate image work on a powerpc750 600mhz computer with 256mb of ram ?
[20:56] <nztal> i have a imac g3 with powerpc processor that i'm trying to use ubuntu to do diagnostics with.  it wont boot to any live cd environemonment.  once i was able to get to console, but when i typed, it put alot of spaces between me and the prompt and wouldn't let me issue any commands.  i'm trying to check the integrity of the hard drive on it.  i also need to check the memory on it, but i can't do that unless i install it to disk
[20:57] <nztal> the xubuntu desktop image, will freeze, with the icon spinning.  when it freeze, it wont let me switch to any consoles
[21:18] <Danny> This may be a dumb question, but how do I add more than two workspaces in xfce?
[21:19] <th0r> Danny: Applications Settings Workspaces
[21:20] <Danny> I tried that, I told it 4, but I still only have two
[21:20] <th0r> Danny: open a terminal, type 'ps ax | grep xfwm' and see if xfwm4 is running. I had the same problem, turned out to be metacity running instead of xfwm4
[21:22] <Danny> and what exactly does that command do?
[21:22] <th0r> Danny:  ps ax asks the system to list everything that is running at the moment. grep xfwm tells the ps command to only show lines that contain xfwm
[21:23] <th0r> Danny: the result is that you will only see one or two lines in the printout instead of everything. Try ps ax without the grep to see the diff
[21:24] <Danny> okay, with grep xfwm it doesn't show me anything
[21:24] <th0r> Danny: right....try this...ps ax | grep metacity
[21:25] <Danny> yep, so that shows "32609 pts/0    D+     0:00 grep metacity"
[21:25] <Danny> so I need to be using xfwm?
[21:25] <th0r> Danny...yup...same problem I had. Let me guess...you installed ubuntu and then installed xfce afterwards?
[21:26] <Danny> yeah, I just wanted to experiment with other desktop environments
[21:26] <th0r> Danny: yeah...exactly the same thing happened to me. You lucked out...it took me three days to figure it out and I had help from the xfce developers
[21:26] <Danny> wow, nice
[21:26] <th0r> Danny: type this in the terminal 'killall metacity && xfwm4'
[21:28] <th0r> Danny: if that fixes your workspace issue, make sure you save the xfce session
[21:28] <Danny> "metacity: no process killed"
[21:29] <th0r> Danny: oops....missed that....wrong line <smile>. OK, you have to see what window manager you are running now so you can kill it and start xfwm4. Do you have pastebinit installed?
[21:30] <Danny> nope
[21:30] <th0r> Danny: can you take a minute to install it?
[21:30] <Danny> sure
[21:34] <Danny> okay I used apt-get install pastebinit
[21:35] <th0r> Danny: pastebinit will let you easily upload a log file to the internet so I can get it.
[21:35] <th0r> Danny: we will do this in two steps so you can follow what is going on. First, in a terminal type 'ps ax > ps.log'
[21:35] <th0r> Danny that will tell  ps ax  to put its output into a file called ps.log instead of printing to the screen
[21:36] <Danny> okay, done
[21:36] <th0r> Danny ok...now type 'pastebinit ps.log' that will tell pastebinit to send the file to the web. It will print a url, a web address, copy and paste that address here so I can get it
[21:37] <Danny> http://pastebin.com/f44159e4c
[21:37] <Danny> there ya go
[21:37] <th0r> Danny ok...now type 'mousepad ps.log' so you can look at the log while I do
[21:40] <th0r> Danny: ok...the problem is you are running compiz which replaced metacity in gnome, and now replaces xfwm4 in xfce. If you want xfce to control the workspaces and other stuff...you need to turn off compiz and turn on xfwm4. Once you do that, you can turn on compositing in xfce, it is a different animal from compiz
[21:41] <th0r> Danny: I think you can get that done with 'killall compiz && xfwm4' but I am not sure...never messed much with compiz. If it hoses up...you willneed to reboot
[21:41] <Danny> all right, I'll try that
[21:42] <th0r> danny you can see compiz running in line 134 of the printout
[21:44] <Danny> okay, I got    "** Message: To replace the current window manager, try "--replace"
[21:44] <Danny> ** (xfwm4:1411): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running"
[21:45] <th0r> Danny: ok...try xfwm4 --replace (space before --replace)
[21:46] <Danny> that definitely did the trick
[21:47] <th0r> Danny: now....applications - settings - session and startup - session tab. If you want to keep the present setup click on Save Session so it doesn't start compiz again at next bootup
[21:47] <th0r> Danny:  the saved session should only apply to xfce, if you go back to gnome you should still have compiz
[21:48] <Danny> sweet, I like my eye candy, but xfce seems pretty cool too.
[21:48] <th0r> Danny: you can get back some of that by turning on composition in xfce...just a sec
[21:49] <th0r> Danny: Applications - Settings - Window Manager Tweaks - Compositor tab...enable display compositing
[21:50] <th0r> Danny: you really got lucky this time <smile>. Don't expect this every time you drop by
[21:50] <Danny> yeah thanks
[21:51] <Danny> actually IRC has been pretty good to me whenever I have a problem
[21:51] <th0r> Danny: well, your questions will just keep getting harder to answer <smile>. Part of the game
[21:53] <DiecastMessiah> I have a quick question.. what would you guys suggest for being able to write to an NTFS drive.... i have a new TB ext. drive
[21:53] <Danny> whoa, accidentally closed pidgin there, Thanks again though Th0r
[21:53] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: if it isn't already installed try ntfs-3g
[21:54] <th0r> Danny: np...did you get your workspaces ok?
[21:54] <Danny> yeah I did
[21:54] <th0r> ok...good luck
[21:54] <DiecastMessiah> thanks.. yeah i can view the drive but not write.. so just wanted to make sure before i install stuff i don't need :)
[21:54] <Danny> yeah, I'll keep playing xubuntu
[21:54] <th0r> Danny: give xfce a good look...I like it a lot more than gnome
[21:55] <th0r> take a special look at thunar...the file manager for xfce
[21:55] <DiecastMessiah> yeah xfce is great
[21:55] <th0r> it has a lot of custom features
[21:55] <Danny> anything specific that's really cool I should check out?
[21:56] <DiecastMessiah> I love who it can use both gnome and KDE and plus using hardly any ram at all just to run... got mine down to 76mb
[21:56] <th0r> Danny: in thunar you can define custom actions...which means for instance, that I can right click on an iso file and choose mount from the menu, and it will mount the iso to ~/iso automatically.
[21:57] <th0r> I right click on my audio files and choose Edit from the menu...and it dumps the file into audacity so I can cut it up
[21:57] <Danny> hey thats pretty cool
[21:57] <th0r> you can define commands and scripts to be included in the right click menu, and choose when those commands will show up...for what filetypes
[21:58] <th0r> also look at gigolo...something like network neighbourhood in that other system
[21:58] <DiecastMessiah> wow i didn't know that... stuff .. i must learn :)
[21:59] <th0r> lots of interesting things buried in xfce
[21:59] <DiecastMessiah> and gigolo i have to check out to.. i use neighborhood
[22:00] <th0r> make sure you have all the xfce panel plugins installed also...there are some neat features there.
[22:00] <th0r> but I don't use the system monitors in the panel as they put too much load on the system, I use gkrellm instead
[22:00] <DiecastMessiah> oh i do have ntfs-g3
[22:00] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: then you should only need to plug in the drive
[22:00] <DiecastMessiah> oh i can read from it
[22:01] <DiecastMessiah> was hopful i could write
[22:01] <th0r> should also be able to write to it
[22:01] <th0r> all of my usb drives worked right out of the box...read and write
[22:02] <DiecastMessiah> well i tryied and even in open thunar as root and still cannot
[22:02] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: type 'mount
[22:02] <th0r>  in a terminal and see how the drive is mounted
[22:02] <th0r> pastebin the output
[22:04] <DiecastMessiah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/228433/
[22:05] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: the drive is mounted read write (rw). It is the last line in the printout
[22:06] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: or is that your cd/dvd?
[22:06] <DiecastMessiah> nope the last one is the exturnal
[22:07] <DiecastMessiah> well now it works
[22:07] <DiecastMessiah> oddness
[22:07] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: it is exactly the same as the line I have now for my usb drive...except for the mountpoint of course
[22:07] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: I am good
[22:07] <th0r> fixed it all the way from here
[22:07] <th0r> mind over matter
[22:08] <DiecastMessiah> well it odd i never had a ntfs drive write,,, so i always used fat32 on my internal.. but didn't what to change a whole tb drive to that LOL
[22:08] <th0r> I am running psychobuntu...it has a neural interface...I just think about corrections and they happen
[22:08] <DiecastMessiah> and it didn't work the frist time i glugged it in
[22:08] <DiecastMessiah> plugged**
[22:09] <th0r> I'm tellin ya...I fixed it
[22:09] <DiecastMessiah> LOL
[22:09] <DiecastMessiah> k
[22:09] <DiecastMessiah> well thanks
[22:09] <DiecastMessiah> :)
[22:09] <th0r> np...good luck
[22:09] <SiDi> th0r: i thought you installed the package that fixes this bug making you tell everyone about psychobuntu and your devilish plans to rule the world ?
[22:10] <DiecastMessiah> lol
[22:10] <th0r> hehehe....what are we going to do now brain?
[22:10] <th0r> or aren't you a pinky fan?
[22:10] <DiecastMessiah> one last thing now i think of it... is there any software that better then mountmanager
[22:11] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: for the most part you don't need to mount things...it is pretty much automatic now
[22:11] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: for mounting iso files yo ucan use giosmount
[22:11] <th0r> gisomount
[22:11] <DiecastMessiah> oh i just use commanline of iso's..
[22:12] <th0r> nope...gmount-iso...I'll get it right yet
[22:12] <DiecastMessiah> but i have 2 hd and the secondone i have to use something to get it going
[22:12] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: what is it you want to mount?
[22:13] <DiecastMessiah> it a 10gb HD internal
[22:13] <SiDi> gmount-iso
[22:13] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: create a second mountpoint for the second drive, then create a custom action in thunar to mount the drive
[22:13] <SiDi> Err
[22:13] <SiDi> !fstab
[22:14] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: if you just need to mount the second one SiDi is right...just add a line to fstab. But if you need to do something special then look at custom actions in thunar
[22:15] <DiecastMessiah> not special it just a fat32 drive
[22:15] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: then a line in fstab will fix you right up
[22:16] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: look at defining the drives by UUID instead of /dev....that way no matter what order you plug them in they will still mount the same way
[22:16] <DiecastMessiah> so it in /dev/fstab?
[22:17] <SiDi> http://en.zimagez.com/full/9aaa5fad74a50ee76cf1a1e1e2ac62f3a458035c613b373767dce46021736cb7e0a6b111311757e2.php
[22:17] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: /etc/fstab
[22:17] <DiecastMessiah> k
[22:17] <DiecastMessiah> I will look at the site to .. me still new to linux
[22:18] <DiecastMessiah> thanks to you 2 th0r and SiDi
[22:18] <th0r> np
[22:19] <SiDi> DiecastMessiah: you're welcome
[22:20] <DiecastMessiah> mmm looking at this should i make a new floder on the system folder?
[22:20] <DiecastMessiah> like /HD2
[22:20] <DiecastMessiah> or something
[22:20] <th0r> DiecastMessiah: yeah....usually mount points are in /media
[22:20] <th0r> like /media/HD2
[22:20] <DiecastMessiah> yeah i was using /media with mouthmanager
[22:21] <DiecastMessiah> ok thanks again..
[22:22] <Rhasta> a
[22:25] <Rhasta> fuck pricey
[22:26] <Pricey> Rhasta: PM please?
[22:45] <DiecastMessiah> quit
[22:45] <DiecastMessiah> oops sorry
[22:46] <Samm> soo...
[22:47] <Samm> How is everyone?
[22:55] <micahg> can someone help me with bug 350784
[22:56]  * micahg kicks ubottu
[22:57] <knome> bug #350784
[22:57] <micahg> ok, well the question is, where does xfce store the preferred browser setting
[23:18] <SiDi> lp 350784
[23:18] <micahg> bug 350784
[23:18] <SiDi> ok ubottu is on strike for real
[23:18] <micahg> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/350784
[23:20] <SiDi> micahg: i cant find the CLI way but you can do Apps -> Params -> Preferred apps
[23:50] <micahg> SiDi: I need to know where it's stored so that I can have apport updated :)
[23:50] <SiDi> asked in XFCE and had no answer
[23:51] <SiDi> the answer probably hides in xfbrowser's source code but i'm a but busy at the moment


[07:24] <kidsodateless> greetings
[10:44] <MaWaLe> the sun-java6-* packages doesn't exist on the partner sources for the narwhal. is this a permenant situation or is it only for the ALPHA version?
[17:56] <jMCg> Hello happy people.
[17:57] <jMCg> I just upgraded to N/N. Main reason was that I was promised the new kernel would bring CONFIG_UTRACE. Now, that aside, what the heck happened to Gnome?
[17:58] <jMCg> The new interface looks about as intuitive as Mac, only brokener.
[17:59] <jMCg> (Says someone who's running Terminal in Fullscreen, all the time.)
[18:02] <jMCg> Anyway, the ``Ubuntu Button'' now starts a Nautilus in /usr/share/applications, instead of popping up the applications menu, which is slightly irritating, especially since I haven't quite figured out why Alt+F2 doesn't work (i.e.: Nothing happens when I press Alt+F2, maybe because I'm infront of a fullscreen Terminal, but still..).
[18:19] <jMCg> Well, duh. semantic error: process probes not available without kernel CONFIG_UTRACE while resolving probe point process("/opt/bw/modules/mod_dtrace.so").mark("*")
[18:47] <czajkowski> c


[03:16] <AlligatorJoe> well sound is in very bad shape on the pulseaudio device and there seems to be no way to use an alsa device without uninstalling the entire mate desktop
[03:18] <AlligatorJoe> so i guess no one will really be able to listen to the Jim Croche song called "Car Wash Blues"
[03:21] <AlligatorJoe> for some reason the way ubuntu is set up...the alsa device defaults to the pulse device instead of the hardware device
[03:22] <AlligatorJoe> i can see why a lot of people prefer to use the plasma desktop even though you have to have better graphics hardware
[03:23] <AlligatorJoe> but mate is still in good shape except for the terrible audio on the pulse device
[08:14] <sixwheeledbeast> Oh you switched channels
[08:15] <sixwheeledbeast> I haven't tried pointing gstreamer to something other than default but that was how you did it years back.
[08:16] <sixwheeledbeast> some gconftool setting
[08:51] <AlligatorJoe> this os and hp hardware is pure trash...how the os which used to play fine to an alsa port became a piece of crap after many years of working on it thanks to the Frankenstein experimenters that wanted to make sound servers and then screwed everything with them
[08:53] <AlligatorJoe> not only does the xvideo driver option in pcsxr crashes but also music sounds like shit on the pulseaudio sound server when it used to work fine on alsa many years ago
[08:54] <AlligatorJoe> how these hardware manufacturers sell this shit to the public is beyond me
[08:55] <AlligatorJoe> the only music they listen to is the jingle of cash in their bank accounts....damn greedy profit seeking scumbags
[08:57] <AlligatorJoe> and evil,soulless corporations
[08:58] <AlligatorJoe> with talking puppets dressed up in fancy suits and ties to try to disguise their hidden ugliness.
[09:03] <AlligatorJoe> mumbling a bunch of trickledown craponomics they just memorized and regurgitate to the subordinates
[09:06] <AlligatorJoe> and looking under every rock for dollar bills to feed their insatiable greed
[09:25] <AlligatorJoe> they are like alcoholics digging in trash cans looking for another sip of wine.
[09:28] <AlligatorJoe> and not giving us the trillions of dollars that we personally deserve based on our pioneering ideas
[09:35] <AlligatorJoe> we have to sit and watch trillions of dollars flowing in many industries around the world depending on tools based on our ideas and none of them giving us the trillions of dollars they owe us.
[09:39] <AlligatorJoe> lots of money, so we could have some spending money to buy things we need and to be able to save some money for a rainy day or our old age, or be able to afford our wife and kids, or be able to pay bills and lots of other important uses of money
[22:09] <skookum> if I install the daily build of 20.04, and keep updating it, will it be at parity with the official release of the LTS when that occurs?
[22:09] <skookum> or should I just wait the extra month


[02:55] <redcavalier> blackboxsw, good evening. I was wondering if you guys had managed to look into that bug I submitted last month.
[09:41] <cetex> smoser: Not sure if i said thanks for everything earlier: Thanks :)
[15:59] <rharper> blackboxsw: urg, the c-i meeting is on top of our standup
[16:01] <blackboxsw> urg
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <blackboxsw> \o
[16:01] <blackboxsw> it
[16:01] <rharper> o/
[16:01] <blackboxsw> it's that time again
[16:03] <blackboxsw> #startmeeting Cloud-init bi-weekly  status
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 13 16:03:13 2017 UTC.  The chair is blackboxsw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:03] <powersj> o/
[16:03] <blackboxsw> time change got to us
[16:04] <blackboxsw> #meetingtopic Recent Changes
[16:05] <blackboxsw> hey folks. thanks for joining just pulling together the content for the last couple weeks of work for the cloud-init project
[16:06] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25954862/
[16:06] <smoser> $ git log a90a8b1cb3104ee3250ac79d6e25a9ff4f527baa.. | log2dch | sed 's,^    ,,' | pastebinit
[16:06] <blackboxsw> most of the ubuntu-side of the house was involved in handling the SRU of 17.1 into ubuntu and handling any discovered regressions
[16:06] <blackboxsw> Published cloud-init packages to Bionic Beaver release
[16:06] <blackboxsw> Update Gentoo Linux support to "rc-service" scripts as "service" is deprecated, thanks to ckonstanski!
[16:06] <blackboxsw> Detected and fixed a pre-release regression of resizefs when root path is specified by UUID on the kernel cmdline (LP: #1725067)
[16:06] <blackboxsw> #link http://paste.ubuntu.com/25954862/
[16:07] <blackboxsw> #info SRU queued for release today
[16:07] <blackboxsw> Here's the cloud-init content we published for the last two weeks:
[16:07] <blackboxsw> #link https://github.com/canonical-server/dev-summary/blob/master/doc/2017-10-31.md
[16:07] <blackboxsw> #link https://github.com/canonical-server/dev-summary/blob/master/doc/2017-11-07.md
[16:09] <blackboxsw> last week we handled an EC2 behavior regression for xenial, whereby we didn't want to change cloud-init to configure all nics based on ec2 metadata, we will only configure the primary nice
[16:09] <blackboxsw> last week we handled an EC2 behavior regression for xenial, whereby we didn't want to change cloud-init to configure all nics based on ec2 metadata, we will only configure the primary NIC
[16:09] <blackboxsw> with those SRU regresssions fixed and published to master, we expect cloud-init 17.1 updated in Xenial,Zesty and Artful today
[16:10] <blackboxsw> #meetingtopic In-progress development
[16:10] <blackboxsw> smoser: rharper anything here?
[16:10] <smoser> #link http://bit.ly/ci-reviews
[16:11] <smoser> robjo has done a couple fixes for SuSE and i've pulled a few of them.
[16:11] <smoser> he has one up i saw yestderday for ntpSuSE
[16:11] <smoser> others ther.e we've been delinquent due to some distractions recently.
[16:11] <rharper> blackboxsw: nothing new for me at the moment
[16:12] <smoser> and chad had one up for clean and status
[16:12] <blackboxsw> btw thx robjo ckonstanski and Dave Mulford for the fixes over the last iteration. We also expect that a couple VMware branches for the OVF datasource will last this week or next
[16:12] <smoser> which is nice.
[16:13] <robjo> moving the meeting an hour foward while we are on Standard time or is this a one time occurance, did I miss an announcement?
[16:13] <blackboxsw> #meetingtopic Office Hours (next 30 minutes)
[16:14] <robjo> lp#1731619, chrony support, should that also be driven through ntp config or should there be a new config option?
[16:14] <blackboxsw> so we'll hang out with eyes on this channel for any burning questions/bugs/questions
[16:14] <smoser> robjo: well, the meeting is listed in UTC time
[16:14] <smoser> that pays no attention to US legislation to change clocks at random points in the year :)
[16:15] <robjo> oK, my fault when I added it to my calendar, eay enough to fix ;)
[16:15] <smoser> but the humans here were also affected :)
[16:15] <blackboxsw> heh, anyone opposed to shifting this meeting time +30 from now during the next few months?
[16:15] <blackboxsw> as the meeting now collides w/ another meeting for us
[16:15] <blackboxsw> :/
[16:16] <blackboxsw> officially 16:30 UTC?
[16:17] <robjo> Well, I'd prefer to either follow the "randomness" clock manipulation or not follow it
[16:19] <robjo> meaning don't change the meeting time because there exists a conflict when standard time switches to daylight savings or vice versa, becaus if you do that you might as well follow the silliness of the government to begin with
[16:19] <blackboxsw> fair point. ok let's keep the new time as is.
[16:20] <blackboxsw> we've discussed side-channel, we can shift our meetings out of the way of this
[16:20] <blackboxsw> so robjo +1
[16:20] <blackboxsw> 16:00 UTC
[16:24] <blackboxsw> also related to CI side, powersj and rharper spent quite a bit of time w/ our continuous integration infrastructure fixing/addressing memory & storage pressure issues to make sure we avoid intermittent false test failures due to timeouts or system resource contention
[16:24] <blackboxsw> #link https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/cloud-init/
[16:28] <via> is there a way to use metadata in the cloud-init file? specifically, if i want to use the aws-provided instance id in an attribute
[16:28] <robjo> OK, back to my question about chrony:  lp#1731619, chrony support, should that also be driven through ntp config or should there be a new config option?
[16:28] <via> like configuring the chef node name to have my instance id in it
[16:32] <blackboxsw> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1731619
[16:33] <blackboxsw> it's a good bug, we've had a couple of discussions about ntpd versus timesyncd for different system environments
[16:34] <blackboxsw> current implementation of cc_ntp module is to return False ('ntp' not installable) on certain known environments where we know we want systemd timesyncd to run instead by default
[16:34] <smoser> via: i think what your asking is (i htink) covered in https://trello.com/c/AYaCdQyT
[16:35] <via> well, i'm trying to do it in a yaml cloud-config file
[16:35] <smoser> right. as it is right now, via you cann't reference anything from the metadata.
[16:35] <via> does that mean i need to use #jinja and if so how does that play with #cloud-config ?
[16:35] <via> oh
[16:35] <via> bummer
[16:36] <via> should i just switch to a shell script?
[16:36] <smoser> but we'd hope to implement that.
[16:36] <smoser> via: thats really the only way right now. and then in the shell scripty you'd have to query the metadata service yourself.
[16:36] <via> okay, damn
[16:36] <via> thanks
[16:36] <blackboxsw> robjo: we think that's a good approach/feature suggestion. We could add chrony template files etc like the ntp templates, and we might be able to have the distro report what time sync daemon it wants to run
[16:36] <smoser> basically... we realize what you're asking is quite helpful and reasonable but dont have a way to do it right now
[16:36] <smoser> but we do plan on implementing it.
[16:37] <via> no worries, i'm stuck on an ancient version anyway
[16:38] <robjo> blackboxsw: That was my thinking, move the "service_name" setting to the distro as "time_service_name" and then drive cc_ntp based on that
[16:39] <robjo> since with a third option the black/white decision being made today will no longer work
[16:39] <blackboxsw> +1 robjo yeah. rharper was chatting about this potential approach as well
[16:39] <robjo> look there is also grey ;)
[16:39] <blackboxsw> heh yeah
[16:40] <robjo> Next question.... network config.
[16:40] <blackboxsw> yeah might have to 'grow' an override option in cc_ntp module eventually
[16:41] <blackboxsw> as those grey use-cases come up (per bugs/requests ;) )
[16:41] <robjo> A long timi ago the RHEL implementation was re-written to use sysconfig renderer, but RHEL sysconfig and SLE sysconfig are different, why wouldn't they be
[16:42] <robjo> that also implies that the openSUSE/SLES implementation for network config rendering still uses the "old" implementation and thus produces a warning in the log file
[16:43]  * blackboxsw is looking for the warning generated
[16:43] <robjo> this would imply some refactoring is in order if we want to move openSUSE/SLES to using the newer API to render the network config
[16:44] <robjo> blackboxsw: "apply_network_config is not currently implemented "
[16:44] <robjo>                     "for distribution '%s'.  Attempting to use apply_network"
[16:45] <blackboxsw> ahh. right-o
[16:45] <robjo> the question from my point would be is, when I want to implement the SUSE bits am I also on the hook for the refactoring part or can I get some help with that? which of course will make my life easier ;)
[16:47] <robjo> And yes, I realize a bug will need to be filed, but I haven't figured out how to formulate this nicely
[16:47] <blackboxsw> robjo: I think we should be able to help out a bit with that refactor to make sure it's cleaner and easier to maintain.
[16:47] <robjo> OK :)
[16:50] <blackboxsw> there are a couplengeneric distro fixes which need to get designed (just like in the datasources) to make the common distro classes a bit easier to maintain as well as making classes a bit more modular and more easily tested.
[16:51] <blackboxsw> we still haven't landed some of the common datasource changes we had talked about during the Summit because we've been avoiding risk during the 17.1 release. But, similar/minor architecture changes should start taking shape here for datasources and distros now that we see a light at the end of the tunnel on the release.
[16:52] <blackboxsw> we'll keep our eyes open for discussions/suggestions from folks
[16:54] <robjo> Speaking of data sources, for the SUSE Container As A Service Platform, we implemented a data source to read from local disk, is that something that would be of interest upstream? Yes, this might seem silly but in our use case it makes perfect sense ;)
[16:56] <blackboxsw> robjo: I'm curious how different that datasource would be from nocloud datasource
[16:56] <blackboxsw> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html?highlight=nocloud
[16:56] <blackboxsw> #link http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html?highlight=nocloud
[16:56] <blackboxsw> which allows for providing local data instead of dealing with metadata
[16:56] <blackboxsw> well network metadata
[16:57] <robjo> I wasn't really involved, just accepted the patch to the package and have not done a comparison to nocloud, but I'll take a look
[17:00] <blackboxsw> good deal.... think we are at the top of the hour... so I'll probably end meeting now
[17:01] <blackboxsw> thanks via robjo rharper powersj & smoser. next meeting 2 weeks same early time
[17:01] <blackboxsw> #endmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 13 17:01:43 2017 UTC.
[17:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/cloud-init/2017/cloud-init.2017-11-13-16.03.moin.txt
[17:01] <powersj> thanks blackboxsw for running
[17:02] <blackboxsw> np
[17:04] <via> smoser: will $(cloud-init query instance-id) work in said shell? it doesn't seem to evaluate
[17:05] <smoser> via: no. cloud-init query doesn't really exist.
[17:05] <smoser> :-(
[17:05] <smoser> the goal is to have a good solution for you
[17:05] <smoser> but there is not one at the time :-(
[17:05] <via> so wait, there is actually no way to use cloud-init at all to get my instance id?
[17:06] <via> i have to query the aws 169 address with curl or whatever?
[17:08] <ajorg> via: if you don't mind hackiness you could resolve the /var/lib/cloud/instance symlink
[17:08] <via> ok
[17:08] <ajorg> instance_id=$(basename $(readlink -f /var/lib/cloud/instance))
[17:09] <ajorg> (assuming 0.7+)
[17:09] <ajorg> you mentioned you might be using something much older
[17:09] <via> looks like ec2metadata is installed by default
[17:10] <blackboxsw> via theres something in progress that will help    https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330115
[17:10] <blackboxsw> I'm hoping we can land this soon. it'll put a /run/cloud-init/instance-data.json blob thatt will report that for you
[17:11] <via> well, tbf, if ec2metadata is installed, i dunno why i'd use anything but it
[17:11] <via> i didn't realizeit was
[17:11] <blackboxsw> and we'd support it as a public interface that folks can consume
[17:13] <blackboxsw> that branch referenced is the precursor to cloud-init query subcommand
[17:13] <blackboxsw> precursor/prerequisite
[17:21]  * ajorg changes his calendar entry for the meeting to UTC...
[17:23] <blackboxsw> thanks ajorg. then it can surprise us again in spring
[17:23] <ajorg> haha
[17:25] <ajorg> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~ajorgens/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331660 < this is okay to merge? or did you have other concerns?
[17:27] <smoser> ajorg: i'll look now.
[17:27] <ajorg> thanks
[17:27] <ajorg> I blame Ben Franklin for the meetings I've missed.
[17:28] <blackboxsw> you should stop hanging out with that guy ajorg, he's a bad influence
[17:28] <ajorg> totally. the guy likes to fly kites in the rain
[17:28] <blackboxsw> ... ok I'm back, wrapping up review comments on the cloud-init clean/status branch
[17:29] <blackboxsw> thx smoser for the review, yeah I had pulled out cloud-init status disabled as I had wanted to chat w/ you about all the ways it could be 'disabled'
[17:30] <blackboxsw> rharper: smoser if ds-identify 'disables' cloud-init, we just expect /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90_dpkg.cfg to have an empty datasource list?
[17:33] <blackboxsw> rharper: per your inotify comment, I tried not depending on python inotify libs as they aren't currently pulled in by cloud-init as a dependency. Shall we add that as a pkg dependency?
[17:34] <rharper> no, /run/cloud-init/cloud.cfg will be empty
[17:34] <blackboxsw> ahh ok rharper thx
[17:34] <rharper> cloud-init reads the cloud.cfg that ds-identify writes
[17:35] <smoser> blackboxsw: no. ds-identify exits wihtout putting the target in systemd's goals
[17:37] <rharper> blackboxsw: bummer on not having inotify tools;
[17:41] <blackboxsw> yeah even the base-pkg inotify-tools !present yet.
[17:48] <rharper> I saw a python syscall binding "inotify-basic" package
[17:48] <rharper> but it would be nice to just have that built-in
[18:12] <smoser> rharper: blackboxsw fyi there are cloud-images for bionic now
[18:26] <smoser> rharper: do you know why we get an ipv6 address in lxc on artful ?
[18:26] <smoser> that seems wrong
[18:40] <rharper> your lxd config enabled ipv6 dhcp
[18:41] <rharper> --dhcp-range fd42:3cd1:a543:bb7::2,fd42:3cd1:a543:bb7:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff,1h
[18:41] <rharper> smoser: ^^
[18:47] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1732002
[18:47] <smoser> rharper: its a bug. they should not. they did not request it.
[18:47] <rharper> doesnt ipv6 ra get you that ?
[18:48] <smoser> xenial doesnt get it
[18:48] <rharper> doesn't run networkd
[18:48] <rharper> networkd does ipv6 ra by default
[18:48] <smoser> that is a bug
[18:48] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nplan/+bug/1717404
[18:49] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1655440
[18:49] <rharper> all seem related
[18:50] <smoser> rharper: so 1655440 may imply that cloud-init needs to write 'accept-ra: no'
[18:50] <smoser> ?
[18:51] <rharper> I think 1) they do request it, the kernel has ipv6 enabled, which means it does RA  2) dnsmasq for lxd, can be configured to disable ipv6; your host does not have it disabled ;  if there is a bug it's related to dhclient6 not running by default in xenial
[18:51] <smoser> no.
[18:51] <rharper> it's hard to say where it should be written
[18:51] <smoser> lxd and cloud-init config specifically say (via omission) not to have ipv6
[18:52] <rharper> that's unclear
[18:52] <smoser> so behavior that just enablels an ipv6 is wrong.
[18:52] <rharper> look at the lxd bug that stgraber filed
[18:52] <rharper> if you don't want ipv6, you have to pass kernel config
[18:52] <rharper> it's certainly a change in behavior from xenial; I think that needs some discussion w.r.t what that means for artful/bionic
[18:54] <smoser> stgraber's comment does not hmake sense.
[18:54] <smoser> "ever since the switch to nplan by default in Ubuntu, we're not getting an IPv6 address anymore when a RA reaches the container.
[18:54] <smoser> "
[18:54] <smoser> as if we *were* getting ipv6 address by default previously
[18:54] <smoser> but we are not
[18:55] <rharper> IPv6AcceptRA=no
[18:55] <rharper> nplan was disabling IPV6RA by default
[18:55] <rharper> it's no longer doing that
[18:55] <rharper> and you have ipv6 enabled on dnsmasq
[18:55] <rharper> so you're now getting ipv6 addrs in your containers
[18:56] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nplan/+bug/1717404/comments/3 ;  m-h-d suggests a 3 way switch in the config; but someone is going to be unhappy;  this needs discussion AFAICT
[19:02] <smoser> rharper: im' missing something
[19:02] <smoser> but i just made cloud-init render
[19:03] <rharper> I suspect that we likely didn't have a dnsmasq that was ipv6 enabled, which means there were not IPV6 RAs going to our containers;
[19:03] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25955872/
[19:03] <smoser> and rebooted
[19:03] <smoser> and i still have the ipv6
[19:03] <rharper> look at /etc/default/lxd-bridge.upgraded which shows we've got ipv6 enabled
[19:03] <smoser> rharper: no. i had in the past explicilty enabled dnsmasq for ipv6
[19:03] <smoser> (and i think lxc did that by default)
[19:03] <rharper> it does by default
[19:04] <smoser> i dnot follow.
[19:04] <rharper> what does your /run/systemd/network-* files look like ?
[19:04] <rharper> netplan *used* to disable ipv6
[19:04] <rharper> so even if you had ipv6 for lxd enabled, it never worked
[19:04] <rharper> ifyou used netplan
[19:04] <rharper> they filed a bug to get netplan to not disable RA by default
[19:04] <smoser> that is bad.
[19:05] <smoser> its worse to open people to attack that were not expecting it
[19:05] <rharper> it's complicated depending on who wants what "default" behavior
[19:05] <rharper> you mean having your kernel enable ipv6 by default ?
[19:07] <cyphermox> you have an accept-ra option in netplan if you really want avoid getting RAs.
[19:07] <smoser> ok. so maybe that is "complicated" and i somehat agree with m-h-d =.
[19:07] <smoser> but in my newly updated cloud-init i just rendered
[19:08] <rharper> please check the run dir to see what got generated
[19:08] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25955901/
[19:09] <rharper> no
[19:09] <cyphermox> accept-ra is per-interface.
[19:09] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25955908/
[19:09] <rharper> in any case, cat /run/systemd/network/10-netplan*
[19:09] <smoser> ok. let me try
[19:09] <rharper> cyphermox: should it fail to parse on that  ?
[19:10] <rharper> configs present under tree that doesnt' parse them ?
[19:10] <cyphermox> rharper: I fail to parse your question
[19:10] <rharper> you said he put it in the wrong spot
[19:10] <rharper> should be under eth0:
[19:10] <rharper> and I'm saying should that fail to parse with the value in the wrong spot
[19:10] <cyphermox> yep
[19:11] <cyphermox> if it didn't fail, that's a bug
[19:11] <rharper> yes
[19:11] <rharper> agreed
[19:11] <smoser> it did not complain.
[19:11] <smoser> so you can consider that a bug.
[19:11] <cyphermox> but I'm a little surprised, netplan usually is failing to parse pretty aggressively
[19:11] <rharper> indeed
[19:11] <smoser> and putting it in the right place does get the behavior i expected.
[19:12] <smoser> so my feeling is that cloud-init should render 'accept-ra': no unless there is a dhcp6 stanza
[19:12] <smoser> but this still imo seems broken
[19:13] <rharper> s/cloud-init/netplan; and that's one of the discussion points;  I'm not sure we've reached consensus w.r.t the "right default";
[19:13] <rharper> so in your lxd case were it has a dhcp6 enabled subnet; then should lxd emit DHCP6 config in addition to the v4 dhcp ?
[19:13] <smoser> lxd should, yes.
[19:14] <rharper> I suspect stragber has an opinion to that
[19:14] <rharper> which is counter to what you're suggesting; hence the bug
[19:14] <cyphermox> rharper: smoser: if I put your config on my system and run 'netplan generate', it does fail to parse
[19:15] <smoser> network config should be deterministic
[19:15] <rharper> what version of netplan is in your image ?
[19:15] <rharper> smoser: ^
[19:15] <cyphermox> smoser: except you may really want to no do DHCP for an IPv6 network and do SLAAC, which needs the RAs.
[19:15] <smoser> not "well, you'll get config if someon (nefarious or not) was sending packets on your network)
[19:15] <rharper> smoser: you're arguing with the wrong person; I suggest a comment in the lxd/nplan bug if you want to strike up a discussion
[19:15] <smoser> netplan is bionic image today
[19:16] <cyphermox> smoser: ergo, disabling RAs in MAAS might be what you want, since MAAS does DHCPv6 and is supposed to manage all, but it's very not the right default elsewhere.
[19:17] <smoser> an oracle (lxd or maas) should declare.
[19:18] <rharper> I think 0.30 doesn't have the accept-ra parsing
[19:19] <cyphermox> rharper: it does, it's added in 0.28
[19:19] <rharper> huh
[19:20] <rharper> I see an error when I run generate as well; smoser do you have the cloud-init.log ?
[19:20] <smoser> rharper: bionic does work if we make cloud-init interpret no 'dhcp6' as 'accept-ra: no'
[19:20] <smoser> which i think we should
[19:20] <smoser> oh. yes. we do get a 'generate' error
[19:21] <rharper> wonder how network came up ?
[19:21] <rharper> or did it ?
[19:21] <rharper> the /run/systemd/network/ file shouldn't have been written
[19:21] <smoser> no it didnt
[19:21] <rharper> which means no networking
[19:21] <smoser> yeah.
[19:21] <rharper> oh, ok
[19:21] <smoser> fail.
[19:21] <smoser>  just looked at the ipv6
[19:21] <smoser> and saw nothing
[19:21] <smoser> so that seemeed right
[19:21] <rharper> hehe
[19:21] <rharper> ok
[19:26] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25955976/
[19:26] <smoser> cyphermox: ^ that is what you were saying should work right ?
[19:27] <cyphermox> no
[19:27] <smoser> hows this for confusing
[19:27] <smoser> $ python3 -c 'import yaml; print(yaml.load("false") is yaml.load("no"))'
[19:27] <cyphermox> accept-ra is per-interface, it should be under eth0
[19:27] <smoser> True
[19:27] <cyphermox> how is that confusing?
[19:28] <cyphermox> you're asking python if a boolean is X for a language with a pretty loose grammar, not unlike javascript
[19:29] <smoser> javascript has a much more strict gramar.
[19:30] <smoser> its confusing that 'no' is interperted as a boolean.
[19:30] <smoser> the lack of quoting requirements in yaml makes it wierd
[19:49] <rharper> the netplan parser does some additional string -> boolean conversion IIRC
[19:51] <rharper> true == on == yes == y;  false == off == no == n ; for fields which are designated boolean : accept-ra uses the handle_netdef_bool which does the conversion
[22:46] <blackboxsw> rharper: smoser addressed most comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/333513. I
[22:48] <rharper> blackboxsw: cool
[22:48] <blackboxsw> am not quite sure what we should do about standardizing config paths etc. Right now, it feels a bit painful the way content is organized in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/05_logging.cfg and cloudinit.helpers.Paths and various cmd files. I think we may need to look over a way to centralize more of these config defitinitions in an official config file that can be sourced by other modules
[22:49] <blackboxsw> s/defitinitions/definitions
[22:50] <dpb1> blackboxsw: is that to help with schema?
[22:50] <blackboxsw> dpb1: nope just to help with cloudinit modules knowing where the proper log_file_path or run_dir is etc.
[22:50] <dpb1> k
[22:51] <blackboxsw> there's a bit of  hardcoding of strings and some duplication that I've introduced that'd be nice to bring together in one place
[22:51] <blackboxsw> hardcoding paths
[22:51] <dpb1> I was just looking over your branch, makes sense now
[22:52] <rharper> well, there is the confg paths; which consumes the system config into an object
[22:52] <rharper> so I suspect we'll need to use the stage wrappers to ask for path to various keys
[22:52] <rharper> which allows the system config to override
[22:53] <blackboxsw> yeah, it feels like the Init() -> Init.read_cfg() -> cfg object is almost the right place. it just doesn't feel 'accessible' or parameterized quite enough
[22:54] <blackboxsw> it feels like it's still a beast of an object to tear apart into the component you want to look at (as it still contains unparsed  yaml strings as the attributes)
[22:54] <blackboxsw> or maybe I've just dug into the wrong hole on it
[22:57] <rharper> oh, that's completely fair
[22:58] <rharper> blackboxsw: I think you want the init object paths properties
[22:59] <rharper> which gives you the cloudinit/helpers.py:Paths() object
[22:59] <rharper> that has alot of the methods that combine the system config with "standard" paths (like instance_link,  run_dir, etc)
[23:25] <blackboxsw> yeah, though it doesn't seem to surface log paths.
[23:25] <blackboxsw> maybe we need to extend Paths to be our source of truth... no quite sure
[23:26] <rharper> that sounds reasonable (extending paths)


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[07:17] <amurray> tjaalton: hey, just wondering if you could sponsor my SRU for libseccomp to -proposed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libseccomp/+bug/1891810
[07:19] <tjaalton> amurray: I can either sponsor the upload or review from the queue, not both
[07:21] <amurray> tjaalton: oh perhaps I am confused - so I have debdiffs attached in the bug, (or packages in the ubuntu-security-proposed PPA of the same) which I believe I first need to get into -proposed as part of the SRU process - I thought the process was to get these sponsored by someone from the SRU team - can you clarify?
[07:22] <tjaalton> they need to be uploaded to the sru queue for review
[07:22] <tjaalton> which they are not
[07:22] <amurray> oh ok, can you do that?
[07:22] <tjaalton> sure, but can't review them myself
[07:22] <tjaalton> needs another pair of eyes
[07:25] <amurray> fair enough - thanks - so is there anything different I should do next time? I saw on the wiki that it says 'if you can upload then do it' effectively - so would it be better next time to get someone who is core-dev or similar to upload them direct to -proposed next time?
[07:25] <tjaalton> they don't get uploaded to -proposed, but to the queue
[07:26] <tjaalton> but yes, needs someone to actually upload
[07:26] <amurray> oh ok. I think I need to go re-read the wiki page then, I've obvs got the wrong end of the stick - thanks again for your help
[07:27] <amurray> so once they're in the queue someone from the SRU team will review them and then (assuming they are happy with them) sponsor them to -proposed?
[07:27] <amurray> also when you say 'the queue' do you mean 'unapproved'?
[07:27] <tjaalton> yes
[07:28] <tjaalton> the tooling then moves the pkg to be built in proposed
[07:28] <amurray> ok I think I get it now. again, thanks for your help.
[07:28] <amurray> sorry I gotta go pick my daughter up but will check scrollback later
[07:28] <amurray> cheers
[07:31] <tjaalton> np
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[11:23] <paravoid> I was asking #ubuntu-devel the other day - I maintain a package in Debian (and am not very knowledgeable in Ubuntu processes)
[11:24] <paravoid> the package is gdnsd, and has migrated from sid to bullseye a while ago
[11:24] <paravoid> it is not migrating to hirsute, because autopkgtests fail in Ubuntu (but not in Debian)
[11:25] <paravoid> the issue is that in two of the tests, marked with isolation-container, it sets up a DNS server on INADDR_ANY:53, but in Ubuntu containers systemd-resolved listens on localhost:53
[11:25] <paravoid> this is related to (but not the same as) LP #1764327 - and upstream is trying to address this with https://github.com/gdnsd/gdnsd/commit/6958918936d528d3daa6366036fbf44a02cbb234
[11:25] <paravoid> but it's going to take a major release to fix as to not break existing configs
[11:26] <paravoid> anyway, long story short, I don't see an easy fix right now, and certainly not one that would pass through Debian's hard freeze
[11:26] <paravoid> at the same time it'd be a pity if Ubuntu released with 2.4.2 which is very old at this point (sid is at 3.5.2)
[11:27] <paravoid> I'd propose for Ubuntu RMs to either a) force-badtest gdnsd 3.5.2 into hirsute or b) remove gdnsd from hirsute entirely
[11:27] <tarzeau> skip the tests for ubuntu pkg only?
[11:27] <paravoid> an alternative (c) would be to fix this with an ubuntu1, but I don't know how to do that and I'm not motivated enough :P
[11:27] <tarzeau> #ifeq ($(DISTRIB),Ubuntu)
[11:28] <paravoid> yeah, that wouldn't be Debian hard freeze compliant I think :)
[11:28] <tarzeau> why not?
[11:29] <tarzeau> https://sources.debian.org/src/libnfsidmap-regex/1.2-1/debian/rules/
[11:29] <tarzeau> my example in full. ah now it's freeze, i doubt you'd get that into debian, but it's possible to get stuff right into ubuntu
[11:29] <tarzeau> for "important" reasons
[11:29] <paravoid> that's what I meant yes
[11:29] <tarzeau> you just need to find the right ubuntu person
[11:30] <paravoid> and I don't know how to get stuff right into ubuntu, nor that interested to find out tbh :)
[11:30] <tarzeau> ubuntu doesn't autosync from debian experimental, or does it?
[11:30] <tarzeau> paravoid: same here. i had people tell me it's possible, and did it somehow, it's completely not transparent to me
[11:31] <tarzeau> my workplace had the idea to take debian and install that instead of ubuntu (with some theming tricks) as people want ubuntu, as it seems to be hip/popular
[11:31] <tarzeau> but since my workplace already pays redhat for satellite, managers would say: why should we pay for two companies for one linux?
[11:32] <paravoid> thanks for the insight. I'm really looking for ubuntu RM help/advice, though :)
[11:57] <cjwatson> Ubuntu does not autosync from experimental, but any Ubuntu developer who can upload the package in question can do a one-time sync from experimental easily
[12:00] <cjwatson> The last comment in the bug above seems to be an Ubuntu release team member nacking a force-badtest approach (as I read it)
[12:02] <cjwatson> An ubuntu1 upload is really no different in terms of source package layout from a Debian upload - it's effectively just a branch of the packaging with an appropriate version number
[12:02] <cjwatson> If a patch existed then any Ubuntu developer who's up to speed with the problem could deal with the mechanics of uploading it.  I don't see something that somebody could upload today, though
[12:03] <cjwatson> Skipping the tests doesn't seem compliant with what Steve says in his comment on the bug above, so I wouldn't pursue that approach
[12:08] <ddstreet> paravoid can you include a default config file in the packaging with simple content like 'options => { listen = <IP_ADDRESS> }'
[12:08] <ddstreet> the package doesn't even successfully install on ubuntu due to the service failing
[12:10] <rbasak> paravoid: I've offered to sponsor an ubuntu1 for you. Just give me the fix and a changelog entry for the ubuntu1. Subject to review, of course. Surely that's preferable to a removal?
[12:11] <rbasak> You're quite entitled not to choose to take that approach, but seeking a removal in its place feels a bit like sabotage to me.
[12:16] <paravoid> ddstreet: including this would break all existing deployments right now
[12:18] <paravoid> rbasak: I'm sorry you feel like it's sabotage :/ I'm only trying to avoid Ubuntu shipping a very old release, and I lack to the time to figure out an Ubuntu-specific fix right now
[12:18] <paravoid> if badtesting is not an option, then the simplest fix here could just be to comment-out these autopkgtests in ubuntu1
[12:21] <cjwatson> There are obviously many ways in which tests could be bypassed; don't they all share the flaw that, well, the resulting package doesn't actually work?
[12:21] <cjwatson> (Or so I gather)
[12:21] <paravoid> ddstreet: (hence why upstream added a big fat warning in 3.5.2 to prepare users that this could change in future releases - hirsute releasing with 2.4.2)
[12:22] <paravoid> hirsute releasing with 2.4.2 would be contrary to this goal*
[12:22] <cjwatson> Does the current 2.4.2 package in hirsute have the same problem?
[12:23] <paravoid> cjwatson: the package has 3 autopkgtests: one ("testsuite") runs the test suite with the package in place and should succeed; the other two run the daemon and start running queries against it, and fail in Ubuntu AIUI
[12:24] <cjwatson> Right, but that's slightly missing the point; I'm going from what ddstreet says above, "the package doesn't even successfully install"
[12:24] <paravoid> oh sorry, I misunderstood your question
[12:25] <paravoid> the package works, unless you have another daemon listening on port 53 (in any interface, including loopback)
[12:25] <cjwatson> But there is another daemon listening on port 53 on Ubuntu, so therefore the package doesn't work on Ubuntu, right?
[12:26] <cjwatson> The goal isn't really to bodge tests into artificially passing, it's to make the package work
[12:26] <paravoid> I don't know what the standard install in Ubuntu is. my suspicion is that this is the case, yes.
[12:26] <rbasak> including this would break all existing deployments right now> that's perhaps OK for a new release?
[12:27] <cjwatson> So the current 2.4.2 package in hirsute appears to have the same problem
[12:27] <cjwatson> Tested by "lxc launch ubuntu-daily:hirsute", then "apt update; apt install gdnsd" in that container
[12:27] <rbasak> Long term, the package will need to arrange listening on some specific IP instead by default anyway, won't it?
[12:27] <cjwatson> That seems like highly relevant information for any request to the release team
[12:29] <cjwatson> In fact the version in -proposed is arguably better (depending on your point of view), since the package installs successfully although the daemon doesn't start, so you have an opportunity to sort out the config I suppose
[12:29] <cjwatson> To me that says that the port 53 binding issue isn't itself a regression, which might make force-badtest or similar more reasonable
[12:29] <cjwatson> Though I'm no longer on the release team
[12:30] <paravoid> ...and warns about not having a listen address configured
[12:30] <paravoid> long-term... I question Ubuntu's choice to have a listener on 53 by default, but YMMV :)
[12:30] <cjwatson> If you go hunting in systemctl status, yes
[12:32] <cjwatson> So I think any requests you make to the release team should make it super-clear that the current version in hirsute basically has the same problem (though maybe how it shows up in autopkgtest is different, I haven't checked)
[12:32] <tarzeau> can pkgs still enter 21.04?
[12:32] <cjwatson> They're going to want to know that
[12:32] <cjwatson> tarzeau: in principle
[12:32] <tarzeau> i'd love to see this in 21.04: https://sid.ethz.ch/debian/fnt/fnt_1.2-1.dsc (and i'm sure many ubuntu users would like it too)
[12:32] <cjwatson> Not a release team question though
[12:33] <paravoid> cjwatson: question for you with a few different hats on :D
[12:33] <cjwatson> Needs an Ubuntu developer who's interested
[12:33] <tarzeau> ah, i'll create a snap maybe
[12:35] <paravoid> is openssh-server installed by default in Ubuntu server systems? where I'm going with this is that if I "apt install tinysshd" on a system with openssh-server installed, it would similarly fail (dropbear seems to have openssh-detection code to disable itself via /etc/default/dropbear)
[12:35] <paravoid> I hope this doesn't sound like whataboutism, but it's a bit similar
[12:35] <rbasak> openssh-server is installed by default on Ubuntu cloud images
[12:36] <rbasak> So the rough answer to your question is "yes".
[12:36] <paravoid> right
[12:36] <paravoid> is that a bug?
[12:36] <paravoid> (in tinysshd, I mean)
[12:38] <cjwatson> You could reasonably argue that if packages can't be coinstalled out of the box they should conflict, perhaps.  But the analogy doesn't hold up here - if you tried to conflict with systemd I would expect your package to be flat-out unusable on Ubuntu
[12:38] <cjwatson> openssh-server is clearly a more optional part of the system (at the packaging level) even if it happens to be there by default
[12:38] <cjwatson> I really recommend that you pursue the "not a regression" argument rather than this sort of thing
[12:40] <juliank> Laney: I've got +1 maintenance Mon, Tue; figured I might do some work on autopkgtest-cloud multiple worker thingy then
[12:46] <paravoid> it's not systemd -- it's a particular configuration of one of the systemd daemons, and one that is not the default in Debian
[12:47] <paravoid> I appreciate the advice, and the "not a regression" makes sense and than you for testing that
[12:49] <ddstreet> paravoid what's the problem with simply adding a default config file that restricts it to listening to <IP_ADDRESS>? systemd-resolved *explicitly* listens on <IP_ADDRESS> exactly so other dns servers can take <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:49] <ddstreet> users can trivially update the gdnsd config file with whatever other listen config they actually want after installing the package
[12:49] <ddstreet> the problem here is *only* the default
[12:52] <cjwatson> I appreciate it's not a mandatory configuration of systemd, but it's the configuration of systemd in Ubuntu, in the same way that sshd listening on port 22 isn't a mandatory configuration of openssh but is the default in Ubuntu (and in that case a much wider default, sure)
[12:52] <cjwatson> But anyway, I think this line of argument is unlikely to be productive
[13:05] <xnox> paravoid:  it is supported to install dns servers on Ubuntu, in addition to the resolved. normally, when installing dns servers they are configured to provide dns on some interfaces, but not all. Sometimes people choose for said dns server to also provide local dns too. Or not.
[13:05] <xnox> paravoid:  the best course of action is to check, how for example that dns server integrates with resolvconf in debian; and check if that can be replicated in the tests; and on Ubuntu by default.
[13:06] <Laney> juliank: neat
[13:07] <xnox> paravoid:  it is an extra configuration step that is needed, because ubuntu by default provides a local caching dns resolution service with split dns support by interface out of the box. Whereas in debian anything goes by default. Both configurations are valid, and both return different results. With the choice made by Ubuntu is deemed by us to be more precisely scoped, with less queries
[13:07] <xnox> leaking.
[13:07] <Laney> juliank: the wip branch is getting ready to go, you can play with stg-proposed-migration if you want
[13:10] <paravoid> xnox: this is an auth-only server, so resolvconf is not relevant
[13:11] <paravoid> thanks everyone for the input though, but I think we can wrap this up as this is getting a bit out of scope (esp. for this channel)
[13:11] <paravoid> apologies for my part in derailing this
[13:27] <juliank> Laney: I'll be battling with setting up my development environment again I suppose; and maybe it needs a rebase on master, there's soem small conflicts
[13:28] <Laney> yeah
[13:29] <Laney> I'm only going to do that one more time though
[14:01] <paravoid> (fyi for everyone that followed the discussion above, I just updated 1764327 with a summary of where my thoughts are and after taking into account this discussion as well. HTH!)
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[20:39] <bryce> tjaalton, vorlon if either of you are on SRU today: with runc accepted to -proposed (thanks sil2100) it would be keen to also get the containerd and docker.io SRU uploads approved.  The set is needed for resolving LP: #1916485 + LP: #1919322, so ideally we will want to validate them together as a set.
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[01:40] <vthompson> I want to get the Unity 8/Ubuntu Desktop Next session running on an armhf device. Sadly, this means I can not install Unity 8 via the LXC container instructions because there is no armhf iso. If I install the "ubuntu-desktop-next" package, should I assume I might be able to use the Unity 8 session?
[01:43] <josharenson> tedg: if you are still around, do you know why the indicator-sound log doesn't print in real time? I'm explicitly calling stdout.flush() but it seems to update whenever it feels like (which is a very long wait, or on a reboot)
[02:54] <tedg> josharenson, Well, Upstart caches it some, but really it should be pretty close. Do you have a \n at the end of your message?
[02:55] <tedg> josharenson, Are you using g_debug() or debug() in Vala
[02:55] <josharenson> tedg: I'll try adding the newline... I'm just stdout.printf and tailing the log @ .cache/upstart/indicator-sound
[02:56] <tedg> Then its probably the newline.
[02:59] <tedg> vthompson, That's pretty likely, if you can't, it is a bug, please file it.
[02:59] <tedg> vthompson, Or just harass bregma, he likes it :-)
[03:00] <vthompson> tedg, sounds good, thanks
[07:45] <Saviq> dandrader, late pong...
[07:45] <dandrader> Saviq, hi
[07:46] <dandrader> Saviq, so latest unity8 release has all commits merged under a single one
[07:46] <dandrader> Saviq, will releases be done like that from now on?
[07:47] <Saviq> dandrader, huuh?
[07:48] <dandrader> Saviq, lp:unity8 revision 1616, with message "Releasing 8.02+15.04.20150216.1-0ubuntu1."
[07:48] <Saviq> dandrader, no, that wasn't planned, but there was a problem merging
[07:48] <Saviq> dandrader, stuff conflicted slightly between two silos and robru had to resolve, seems like he inadvertently merge them all under one revision, but no, that's not the plan going forward
[07:49] <dandrader> Saviq, ok, good
[07:49] <robru> dandrader: Saviq: yeah sorry guys, train really shat the bed on that one. had to fix it by hand.
[07:51] <Saviq> robru, why are you still online??
[07:51] <robru> Saviq: oh it's not even midnight... ;-)
[08:18] <dandrader> tsdgeos, , have you noticed this being printed hundreds of times in unity8.log? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10304224/
[08:19] <dandrader> tsdgeos,  could that be caused by the move to Qt 5.4?
[08:19] <tsdgeos> dandrader: are you having 20% cpu usage by doing nothing?
[08:20] <dandrader> tsdgeos, no
[08:20] <tsdgeos> dandrader: is that Nexus4 or krillin?
[08:20] <dandrader> tsdgeos, why you ask?
[08:20] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I get this both on N4 and N7
[08:20] <tsdgeos> dandrader: because there's a bug of a guy reporting 20% usage by doing nothing and he also reports having those
[08:20] <dandrader> tsdgeos, didn't try krillin
[08:20] <tsdgeos> i have neither
[08:21] <dandrader> tsdgeos, that can't be
[08:21] <tsdgeos> i remember seeing those warnings prior to qt 5.4 too
[08:21] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I flashed my N4 with --bootstrap a couple of minutes ago to confirm and I'm getting it there
[08:21] <tsdgeos> but if you're seeing more often, maybe
[08:22] <tsdgeos> i can try to help if you tell me how to reproduce
[08:22] <dandrader> tsdgeos, "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel devel-proposed --bootstrap"
[08:22] <dandrader> tsdgeos, that should be all :)
[08:22] <tsdgeos> yeah done that
[08:22] <tsdgeos> not getting it D:
[08:22] <dandrader> tsdgeos, how can that be....
[08:23] <tsdgeos> i don't know
[08:23] <dandrader> tsdgeos, was that a worried emoticon?
[08:23] <dandrader> :)
[08:25] <dandrader> tsdgeos, could you point me out to that bug report?
[08:26] <tsdgeos> dandrader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1422898
[11:47] <karni> Hi folks. I'd like to make use of lockscreen infographics. Any suggestions where I should start reading up on the subject/reference code?
[11:48]  * karni found https://launchpad.net/libusermetrics but wondering if there's more
[11:49] <karni> It's even got examples, looks like I'm set :)
[12:57] <mterry> dednick, bug 1422835 was only due to qt 5.4, right?
[16:07] <tsdgeos> we're leaking timers as crazy in unity8
[16:07] <tsdgeos> start unity8 and it has 3 timers
[16:07] <tsdgeos> now start unity8-dash and unity8 goes to 189 times
[16:08] <tsdgeos> now refresh the apps scope
[16:08] <tsdgeos> and unity8 goes to 341 timers
[16:08] <tsdgeos> which is very funny given unity8 doesn't really have anything to do with unity8-dash being refreshed
[16:17] <dednick> mterry: i think the bug only stalled u8 in 5.4 it was still causing issues in 5.3 though
[16:18] <mterry> dednick, ok...  I was seeing stalls in the past too I think.  But I can't remember 100%.  So I trust ya  :)
[16:19] <dednick> mterry: yah, it kind stalled a bit in 5.3. not sure if 5.4  was a permenant stall or not.
[16:48] <greyback> tsdgeos: can I ask, how are you finding the number of timers? debug Qt build?
[16:48] <tsdgeos> greyback:
[16:48] <tsdgeos> yeah i uncommented a debug line
[16:48] <greyback> ok
[16:48] <tsdgeos> and added a new parameter to the debug
[16:49] <tsdgeos> so basically yeah i adfedd some code
[16:49]  * greyback aware of qtmir making a timer per surface
[16:49] <greyback> but only using it when surface occluded
[16:54] <tsdgeos> i think i'll rty to find out who's leaking them tomorrow
[16:54] <tsdgeos> too many timer code in my brain
[22:08] <rcarlos> quit


[11:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> Why isn't there a file system location where I can mount my own software?  Clearly it also is managed by package managers.
[20:17] <ChinnoDog> Based on what I have read /usr/local is meant for packages only installed on the local machine. If you wanted to network mount a directory for packages to be shared across all workstations it would be /opt, except that since there are directories in there installed by apt packages it wouldn't work in Ubuntu.


[02:54] <bryce> I've uploaded new xdiagnose.  All tests pass and scripts work and bug filing appears to work, to the limit I can test it locally, so I don't expect any problems, but ping me if you spot anything weird this weekend.
[03:24] <mlankhorst> bryce: wont do anything this weekend, had to spend today dealing with lts stack, looks like I might need to re-enable the shared libgallium patch for mesa due to disk space on iso
[03:33] <bryce> mlankhorst, good plan taking the weekend off
[03:36] <mlankhorst> for now plan is to unrename libdrm (uploaded/accepted, rebuilds are pending), fix up plymouth to no longer require intel on arm (sponsored), and maybe re-enable the gallium patch, pending testing :)
[09:10] <jibel_> bryce, xdiagnose 3.4 is broken on raring bug 1101688
[09:21] <bryce> jibel_, thanks
[22:06]  * mlankhorst pokes Sarvatt
[22:55] <Azelphur> Hi folks, trying to get Steam running on Ubuntu 12.10, problem is when I install fglrx-updates, or install the latest version of fglrx from the website, Unity doesn't start at all. Ideas?
[23:13] <mlankhorst> does glxinfo work?
[23:20] <bryce> mlankhorst, thought you weren't working this weekend?  ;-)
[23:21] <mlankhorst> blegh I keep irc open for other channels
[23:21] <bryce> mlankhorst, I'm just teasing ;-)
[23:22] <bryce> Azelphur, see the topic
[23:22] <Azelphur> bryce: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/1068661 seems there is already an active topic on the subject, https://bugs.launchpad.net/fglrx/+bug/1068661
[23:22] <Azelphur> Unless you want me to go break it again and file a new bug?
[23:23] <Azelphur> Although, I'm not on a hybrid, this is just a standard desktop with a 7770 in it
[23:24] <bryce> Azelphur, filing a bug also copies up your log files, which people generally need if you're going to ask them for help
[23:24] <Azelphur> righto, I'll go do that, just get it into the broken state and run ubuntu-bug xorg?
[23:25] <bryce> Azelphur, besides, it's possible you *don't* have the same bug.  And if you do, having a new set of logs can help confirm that.  Setting two bugs as dupes is cheap and easy for us.
[23:25] <Azelphur> yea I agree, will get that done for you now :)
[23:25] <bryce> Azelphur, that's right.
[23:26] <bryce> update to latest before you do that; I stuck in some bugfixes today for the apport hook.
[23:26] <Azelphur> ok, just standard Ubuntu 12.10 update?
[23:27] <bryce> oh, thought you were on raring; nevermind
[23:27] <Azelphur> nope, pretty normal 12.10 install :)
[23:48] <Azelphur> bryce: there we go, #1101948 :)
[23:52] <bryce> [    16.313] (EE) fglrx(0): Fail to init MGPU configuration:0x0!
[23:52] <bryce> [    16.456] (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed. Probably kernel module missing or incompatible.
[23:53] <Azelphur> interesting, that means the problem is in fglrx?
[23:53] <bryce> yeah kernel module probably failed to build
[23:53] <Azelphur> fun
[23:53] <bryce> check your dkms and make.log files for errors
[23:54] <Azelphur> where are they at?
[23:56] <bryce> and probably you fscked your system by also installing the drivers from AMD's site.
[23:56] <Azelphur> well, I only did that after experiencing the issue in the first place, and I built the .deb packages and installed them as instructed on the Ubuntu help pages :)
[23:57] <Azelphur> so baring in mind I only ever installed / removed the built packages, should be fine?
[23:58] <bryce> dunno, sometimes packages leave cruft config files and stuff around
[23:58]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:59] <Azelphur> but yea, how do I check dkms and where is make.log? :)