[07:44] <\sh> moins
[07:50] <\sh> anyone experienced that banshee is not loading under latest kde in oneiric?
[07:55] <valorie> hmm, have never used it
[07:55] <valorie> what happens when you start it from the console?
[07:55] <valorie> do you get error messages?
[07:58] <\sh> valorie, it throws X errors, but no apport jumps in...
[07:59] <\sh> valorie, well, actually it tells me that it throws X errors, but I don't see any...just the message
[08:02] <valorie> it might help to run it "banshee --debug"
[08:02] <valorie> without the quotes
[08:02] <valorie> are you running it from krunner, or Konsole/yakuake/
[08:03] <valorie> ?
[08:03] <valorie> possibly you didn't install the debugging package either
[08:03] <valorie> hard to say
[08:03] <\sh> konsole...
[08:04] <\sh> and yes..no debugging package...but it needs to be a kde problem, because on unity it works like a charm
[08:04] <valorie> oops, we're in -devel
[08:04] <valorie> this isn't a support channel
[08:05] <valorie> I can fire up my netbook and install banshee and try though
[08:05] <valorie> is there a bug filed yet?
[08:05] <valorie> and have you asked in #ubuntu+1 ?
[08:07] <valorie> netbook is slow booting, but on......
[08:11] <valorie> oh goodness, updates will take awhile
[08:37] <valorie> guh, loads of ubuntucrap comes with banshee
[08:38] <\sh> valorie, I didn't find one on LP...and #ubuntu is not my personal favorite for asking bug questions ;)
[08:39] <valorie> not ubuntu -- ubuntu+1
[08:39] <valorie> which is for Oneiric only
[08:40] <valorie> restart is nearly done....
[08:40] <valorie> lil hamster peddling for her life
[08:42] <valorie> hmmm, failed to load canberra gtk module
[08:43] <valorie> and an sqlite error
[08:43] <valorie> yakuake has gone nuts, hard to read.....
[08:44] <valorie> !info conberra-gtk-module
[08:44] <valorie> !info conberra-gtk-module oneiric
[08:44] <\sh> !info libcanberra-gtk-module
[08:45] <Riddell> freeflying: congratulations
[08:45] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks :)
[08:46] <valorie> in for a dime, in for a dollar
[08:46]  * valorie installed libcanberra
[08:46] <valorie> piffle, misspelled the query anyway
[08:47] <valorie> ubottu, you are supposed to read my mind!
[08:48] <valorie> interesting
[08:48] <valorie> the outline loads
[08:50] <valorie> \sh: if you file the bug, I'll comment on it
[08:52] <\sh> valorie, will do when I switch back to KDE...need to work on real life crap right now
[08:52] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/123337/
[08:53] <valorie> I'm always around
[08:53] <\sh> Caught an exception - System.ApplicationException: No support GNOME Settings Daemon could be reached. (in `Banshee.MultimediaKeys') <- I think this is the bugger in general
[08:55] <valorie> lordy, I hope this isn't the systemsettings problem rearing its ugly head
[08:55] <valorie> because I have no clue if that has a solution GNOME devels are willing to solve
[08:55] <valorie> I never heard the outcome
[08:56] <\sh> when amarok wouldn't be crashing I would have never tested banshee under kde ,-)
[08:59] <valorie> amarok is crashing?
[09:00] <valorie> I haven't heard of that happening in a long time
[09:00] <valorie> please file bug reports, because that shouldn't happen
[09:00]  * valorie builds it from source
[09:01] <valorie> but I'll be testing the released version on that same netbook
[09:01] <valorie> tomorrow, maybe
[09:18] <CIA-130> [lp:~planet-ubuntu/config/main] Jonathan Kolberg * 1424 * config.ini Fixed my feed
[09:20] <afiestas> since network management guys are not making releases... I'm wondering what version is Kubuntu shipping?
[09:20] <afiestas> at solid sprint I'd like to fix that situation (the release thing) but right now the last release is for NM0.8
[10:26] <debfx> afiestas: we ship a snapshot of networkmangement from 2011-06-10
[10:28] <bulldog98> debfx: is it possible that rekonq droped code form contributers (should I remove them form copyright if they are gone at all?)
[10:29] <debfx> ScottK: which security issue isn't fixed in qt 4.7.4?
[10:30] <debfx> bulldog98: yes, if you are sure that the code has been removed
[10:30] <bulldog98> debfx: I’ve gone throug the licenccheck --verbose output and the were not present anymore
[10:32] <debfx> I'd grep the source to be sure
[10:32] <afiestas> debfx: quite old actually, there is a lot of movement int he 0.9 branch
[10:33] <afiestas> though it is working just fine here
[10:38] <bulldog98> they are gone debfx
[10:38] <bulldog98> btw should I try to get my packaging into Debian?
[10:40] <debfx> afiestas: it's a bit late to update it now
[10:40] <debfx> bulldog98: what are you packaging? the latest beta?
[10:41] <bulldog98> debfx: yes
[10:41] <afiestas> debfx: I don't mean for the release, but somewhere after
[10:43] <debfx> bulldog98: I usually don't upload rekonq betas to debian
[10:43] <bulldog98> debfx: so we should wait for final
[10:43] <bulldog98> but we can base upon the beta packaging
[10:43] <debfx> yep
[10:44] <bulldog98> since copyright nearly completly changed
[10:44] <bulldog98> lots of files were relicenced
[10:44]  * bulldog98 should create a diff and paste it
[10:46] <debfx> afiestas: we can upload it to a ppa for oneiric but it doesn't qualify for a stable release update
[10:47] <afiestas> I see, I will ask the NM team to check the version kubuntu is using and recommend possible backports
[10:47] <afiestas> only critical stuff
[10:48] <bulldog98> debfx: http://paste.kde.org/123355
[10:51] <debfx> bulldog98: hasn't dont_set_app_as_parent.diff been merged upstream?
[10:51] <bulldog98> debfx: it applyed with 6 out of 7 hunks
[10:51] <bulldog98> so one part was not applyed
[10:51] <debfx> afiestas: that would be great, bugfixes are of course always welcome :)
[10:52] <afiestas> for next cicle in theory, we will be releasing when NM does
[10:57] <debfx> bulldog98: the whole patch has been applied upstream: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=rekonq.git&a=commit&h=a957e857480a55b02e04ddff8e84b968462804f9
[10:57] <bulldog98> debfx: ok then I’ll drop it
[11:09] <bulldog98> debfx: diff cleaned up: http://paste.kde.org/123361
[11:12] <bulldog98> debfx: and upstream is about to fix some licensing issues (namly the different licenses of the tests)
[11:13] <bulldog98> and missing license for Messages.sh
[11:16] <bulldog98> ScottK: I packaged the latest rekonq beta
[11:16] <bulldog98> where to put it?
[11:17] <bulldog98> latest diff to debian packaging http://paste.kde.org/123367
[11:25] <ScottK> debfx: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733119
[11:25] <ScottK> bulldog98: Not sure.  Are we switching to that?  At this point switching to a new upstream release seems risky.
[11:26] <bulldog98> should I push it to experimental, so we can test it?
[11:30] <ScottK> Sure.
[11:35] <bulldog98> ScottK: should I call for regression test?
[11:35] <debfx> ScottK: that patch doesn't apply at all to qt 4.7.4
[11:35] <debfx> and it has been committed a year ago
[11:35] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Thanks for checking it.
[11:35] <ScottK> Sorry for the noise.
[11:36] <ScottK> bulldog98: AIUI we have reqkonq working with the major things it should work with, so try and see what it has that'd make it important to update this late in the release cycle.
[11:37] <bulldog98> ScottK: it fixed some problems with QtWebKit 2.2
[11:38] <debfx> can't we cherry-pick those fixes?
[11:39] <debfx> ScottK: so should I upload qt now or wait until after beta2?
[11:39] <bulldog98> debfx: I’ll have a look into that
[11:53] <allee> agateau: any news about .ui fixes for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/851160
[11:53] <agateau> allee: I was gone when you came back :/
[11:56] <Tonio_> I'm a dad !!!!!!!!
[11:56] <Tonio_> couldn't contribute back the past months, cause I had to help Amélie....
[11:56] <Tonio_> new prorities, more important things....
[11:56] <allee> Tonio_: contrags!!!!!!!!!
[11:57] <Tonio_> http://temp.toniox.org/alais.jpg
[11:57] <Tonio_> my little girl
[11:57] <allee> cute
[11:57] <Tonio_> the photo is also on facebook for those who want to leave a comment :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> thanks allee  :)
[11:58] <bulldog98> debfx: there are lots of bug fixes in the beta, should I cherry pick all? I would end up cherry-picking around 20 patches
[12:00] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[12:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you happen to have Canonical USA office telephone number? I have to supply one with my visa application :/
[12:01] <Quintasan> The webpage has only fax number
[12:03] <allee> agateau: as I'm not a UI gui, would be a waste of time to teach me designer.  Maybe best you do the 'simple' fix yourself.
[12:03] <apachelogger> Tonio_: congrats!
[12:03] <agateau> allee: ok
[12:04] <agateau> Tonio_: Congratulations! Welcome to a world where free time is a foreign word!
[12:05] <apachelogger> agateau: lol
[12:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: +1<PHONE_NUMBER>
[12:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks
[12:05] <allee> agateau: don't frighten Tonio_ he'll realize soon enough :)
[12:05] <debfx> Tonio_: congrats! :)
[12:05] <agateau> Tonio_: he is gone too far already :)
[12:05] <agateau> allee: ^
[12:05] <debfx> bulldog98: no, only important bugfixes that are really reproducible on oneiric
[12:06] <bulldog98> debfx: so I need to test every single bug?
[12:06] <allee> he, he
[12:07] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[12:07] <agateau> apachelogger: I have an untested layout fix for allee issue in ubiquity, can I send it to you?
[12:07] <Tonio_> hehe agateau , I know already :)
[12:07] <Tonio_> thanks everybody !
[12:07] <apachelogger> agateau: maco or Riddell
[12:08] <apachelogger> I cannot do stuff to ubiquity
[12:08] <agateau> apachelogger: ok
[12:09] <agateau> maco2: Riddell: anyone of you fancy testing a layout fix in Ubiquity? (bug 851160)
[12:09]  * agateau attaches the diff to the bug
[12:11] <bulldog98> debfx: would you consider kde bug #237732 important?
[12:12] <bulldog98> hm wishlist so no
[12:12] <rbelem> apachelogger, ScottK, do you think we can wait for active 1.0 release to push the role stach to the repos?
[12:12] <rbelem> or is it better to leave them all in a ppa?
[12:13] <bulldog98> kde bug #275155
[12:13] <rbelem> i'm sick of waiting and dont have nothing ready to use :-/
[12:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: I think Quintasan will gladly work with you on a solution
[12:14] <bulldog98> rbelem: pust that stuff to kubuntu-active
[12:14]  * apachelogger has no idea when 1.0 is due
[12:14] <bulldog98> apachelogger: october
[12:15] <rbelem> apachelogger, probably will be during final freeze
[12:16] <Quintasan> active this, active that
[12:16] <Quintasan> rbelem: Did you get runtime sorted while I had no internets?
[12:16] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will push the stuff today to the kubuntu-active ppa
[12:16] <rbelem> Quintasan, runtime will be merge to KDE/4.7 till october
[12:17] <Quintasan> urgh then what we did was useless?
[12:17] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[12:17] <Quintasan> :/
[12:17] <rbelem> Quintasan, that's why i did not spend more time on that
[12:17] <agateau> maco2: Riddell: actually I created a MR for the Ubiquity change: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/fix-keyboard-variant-combobox/+merge/76011
[12:17] <Quintasan> That feeling when it turns out you were spending time on nothing
[12:17] <debfx> bulldog98: yes, for example the second bug report says "This is a regression from 0.7.50" so that probably doesn't affect 0.7.0
[12:17] <apachelogger> rbelem: as I see it we either stick to the PPA and have no tablet image for 11.10 or we try to squeeze it into the archive soonish and get an image
[12:17] <Quintasan> VISA FORM Y U NO WORK
[12:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, i thought they would merge runtime these days but they just merged kdelibs
[12:19] <Quintasan> Have you belonged to, contributed to, or worked for any professional, social, or charitable organization?
[12:19] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you think we sould keep working to get the dual building on kde-runtime?
[12:19] <Quintasan> Do I belong to any of these?
[12:19] <apachelogger> screw dual building
[12:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: depends on the questions before and after that
[12:20] <apachelogger> if you should answer yes then you have if not then you have not
[12:20] <allee> bulldog98: Bug 237732 is IMHO opinion a usability nightmare. wishlist is british understatement
[12:20] <apachelogger> :P
[12:20] <rbelem> apachelogger, or just apply the patches toghether with all other patches?
[12:20] <apachelogger> it is the silly form paradigm
[12:20] <apachelogger> like when you have to check whether you are a terrorist or not
[12:20] <apachelogger> who would go yes on that one exactly?
[12:20] <Quintasan> Do you belong to a clan or tribe? Error
[12:20] <Quintasan> Are you serious?
[12:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, that one is funny
[12:21] <apachelogger> rbelem: that is what I wanted all along
[12:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki
[12:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will to that then
[12:21] <apachelogger> roger
[12:21]  * apachelogger tries to figure out what kind of model he needs
[12:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you think we will have 4.7.2?
[12:22] <apachelogger> in updates
[12:22] <apachelogger> not in final
[12:22] <Quintasan> Have you ever ordered, incited, committed, assisted, or otherwise participated in genocide? Error
[12:22] <Quintasan> LOL
[12:22] <apachelogger> see
[12:22] <rbelem> :-D
[12:22] <apachelogger> form paradigm
[12:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki
[12:23] <allee> err, should be kde bug  237732 not lp bug
[12:23] <apachelogger> bulldog98: ^
[12:23] <bulldog98> ScottK: couldn’t we just use latest rekonq, final will be released soon too
[12:24] <apachelogger> didn't I propose that weeks ago?
[12:24] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’d love to simply use the beta, because it easier(tm) and has some usibility improvements including use of kmessagewidget
[12:25] <bulldog98> ScottK: this is the final beta, think of it as an rc
[12:25] <apachelogger> you could remove a button and it would be a usability improvement for rekonq
[12:25] <bulldog98> apachelogger: maybe you should talk to upstream about usibility then :P
[12:26] <apachelogger> yeah, I have seen their code
[12:28] <bulldog98> ScottK: also ssl security was improved, better view for the ssl certs
[12:28] <Quintasan> Riddell, apachelogger: Do you think that putting Canonical as U.S. Point of Contact is a good idea or not?  Don't forget to try it in German!
[13:05] <Riddell> ja
[13:05] <bulldog98> agateau: what change?
[13:06] <agateau> bulldog98: "keyboard variant" combobox is too small for German strings, see bug  851160
[13:07] <bulldog98> agateau: oh nice :), I can’t test it (bandwidth not sufficent)
[13:07] <agateau> bulldog98: same here :/
[13:08] <bulldog98> agateau: I’ve got 56 kbit/s down
[13:08] <agateau> bulldog98: oh, that's really very little
[13:08] <agateau> bulldog98: kudos to you for contributing to Kubuntu in this situation
[13:09]  * bulldog98 knows that ~6-7h for downloading an iso
[13:09] <agateau> I see
[13:09] <agateau> it takes 1h and a half here
[13:11] <bulldog98> agateau: and only think about uploading kdegames :( I needed 2.5 h for that)
[13:11] <bulldog98> I hope I get a better connection until end of this year
[13:12] <agateau> let's cross fingers for you, then!
[13:15] <bulldog98> thx
[13:23] <bulldog98> agateau: I’ll get fibre glass :)
[13:24] <agateau> bulldog98: then I will be much slower than you!
[13:24] <shadeslayer> \o
[13:25] <bulldog98> agateau: yes. Thats at my parents house, but I’ll go for studying into a city (maybe I’ll use UMTS than)
[13:26] <shadeslayer> agateau: need some ux advice :)
[13:26] <agateau> shadeslayer: shoot
[13:26] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes you have slower connection than :P
[13:26] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://kshadeslayer.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/snapshot11.png << is that a good way to add a custom IM status
[13:26] <shadeslayer> or
[13:27] <shadeslayer> this http://i.imgur.com/Fa9Bn.png
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ( you just enter a status in the line edit, hit enter, it gets added to to the drop down
[13:28] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/woshibon-weekend/snapshot2/ << second part of that snapshot
[13:29] <shadeslayer> i'm trying to figure out how to draw a small remove icon over my custom IM statuses when you hover over them in the 2nd implementation, can't quite figure out how to do that yet
[13:30]  * agateau thinks about the two options
[13:33] <agateau> shadeslayer: how do you define the status icon?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> agateau: qvariantfromvalue(Tp::Presence::Available)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> and then i map it to icons
[13:34] <shadeslayer> similarly you have busy/away/DND
[13:34]  * apachelogger uses nokia maps most of the time
[13:34] <agateau> shadeslayer: I mean, if you enter the status text in a line edit, how does the user pick if it should show a green, red, or clock icon?
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:35] <shadeslayer> agateau: actually, right now it behaves like GTal
[13:35] <shadeslayer> *GTalk
[13:35] <bulldog98> ScottK: should I backport ktorrent to natty or try out if it builds with older version?
[13:35] <shadeslayer> you add a status, and both of them get added
[13:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: worked much with models
[13:36] <apachelogger> ?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i would like to learn about them
[13:36] <shadeslayer> also
[13:36] <agateau> shadeslayer: both of them? I don't get it
[13:36] <apachelogger> you are no help :P
[13:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kevin is asking why we did not use KCalCore
[13:37] <shadeslayer> agateau: used GTalk much?  submenu. I would replace it with a separator and then a "Custom..." menu entry, which would show the custom message dialog
[13:41] <shadeslayer> agateau: right, so in GTalk, you have a single line edit, you add your status, and it gets added like this http://i.imgur.com/iPLV0.png
[13:42] <agateau> shadeslayer: that's nice as well, but they did something which you did not: they reduced the number of status type to available, busy and offline
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, models, are you talking about programming models or models in real life :P
[13:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: ah yes, if i implement that, all those other 'Away' and other statuses go away
[13:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: I think this status grouping is a good idea
[13:44] <shadeslayer> agateau: its just that my current implementation has 1 extra click that i'd like to get rid off :P
[13:44] <agateau> shadeslayer: so when you click "Custom Message.." in GTalk the menu entry turns itself into a lineedit?
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: class Catwalk : public QObject
[13:45] <allee> agateau: Tested your .ui patch with a liveCD installation.  Works fine for me.  Thx a lot!!!   I've add an review comment too.
[13:45] <shadeslayer> agateau: you get this : http://i.imgur.com/75MTF.png
[13:45] <apachelogger> when will you people learn that I am too crazy to talk about one specific topic at one time?
[13:45] <agateau> allee: great! thanks for testing!
[13:45] <agateau> shadeslayer: what sucks a bit with their solution is that the only way to rm a custom status is to rm them all
[13:45] <shadeslayer> agateau: yes, and i'm going to improve that bit, i'm going to have  nice 'x' or  '-' against the status
[13:46] <shadeslayer> you click that and it gets removed
[13:47] <agateau> shadeslayer: that sounds a bit too fancy imho
[13:47] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[13:47] <agateau> shadeslayer: I mean managing your custom status is not something you do very often, it does not need to be exposed that much
[13:48] <shadeslayer> agateau: thats what i thought when i designed the dialog thing
[13:48] <shadeslayer> agateau: but don't you think IM statuses are much more ... realtime things?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> its like when you update your facebook status
[13:48] <shadeslayer> or your G+ status
[13:49] <shadeslayer> one click and its done
[13:49] <agateau> shadeslayer: to add an entry I agree, but maybe not to get rid of them
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ok, any ideas for getting rid of entries? :P
[13:50] <agateau> you could just replace the GTalk "Clear custom messages" entry with a "Edit Custom Messages..." dialog
[13:50] <shadeslayer> i really don't want a 'Clear all entries' action
[13:50] <agateau> there you can edit/add/rm them
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ah, hmm
[13:51] <agateau> and keep the "Custom Message..." one-click-like entries to add new messages
[13:52] <agateau> Then you only need to modify the dialog a bit to allow for edition of whether a message is part of the "available" or the "away" group
[13:54] <shadeslayer> actually, there's no point of a away group, we're going to have a auto away feature that will use your current presence status
[13:54] <shadeslayer> so you can just set the time out, and it'll autoaway after that time out
[13:55] <Riddell> agateau: merged!
[13:55] <agateau> Riddell: \o/
[13:55] <Riddell> agateau: good thing it worked really else I'd be stuck with this silly german keyboard layout
[13:55] <agateau> Riddell: :)
[13:56] <agateau> shadeslayer: you may want to say in your away status that you are on the phone, or having lunch or something like that. Doesn't this make sense?
[13:56] <agateau> shadeslayer: but sure, autoaway is a nice feature
[13:56] <shadeslayer> h,,
[13:56] <shadeslayer> hmm, true that
[13:57] <agateau> shadeslayer: I mean, both features are useful, and do not conflict
[13:58] <agateau> shadeslayer: it seems ichat is doing something very similar to what I suggest :) http://www.ralphjohns.co.uk/versions/ichat3/ichat3pics/StatusMessages/iChat3StatusMessagesIndex.html
[13:58] <shadeslayer> agateau: its just i feel that drop down thing is cluttered
[13:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:59] <agateau> shadeslayer: I think it would look less cluttered if you get rid of the submenu and use only one icon per status type (available, away, invisible|off)
[13:59] <shadeslayer> agateau: adium in OS X does what the screenshot on my blog shows
[13:59] <agateau> shadeslayer: the submenu you mean?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> the dialog, it doesn't do the submenu thing
[14:01] <agateau> shadeslayer: so it's like ichat then
[14:02] <shadeslayer> i haven't used iChat, so dunno :P
[14:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: check the link I posted a few minutes ago
[14:05] <shadeslayer> right, saw that
[14:07] <shadeslayer> eh
[14:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wordpress does not offer more than 3 conversations when replying ?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> in the comment section i mean
[14:08] <apachelogger> configurable
[14:08] <shadeslayer> madness
[14:53] <rbelem> shadeslayer, apachelogger, do you know how enable the packages to build using the -nc flag?
[14:54] <rbelem> when using dh7
[14:56] <rbelem> ScottK, ^
[15:05] <bulldog98> yofel: are you working on kde-workspace backport?
[15:07] <bulldog98> what to do about following error in pbuilder? pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: kde-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.6) which is a virtual package.
[15:07] <debfx> fabo: you've changed the icecc sync request to 0.9.7-4 but that doesn't seem to be uploaded
[15:09] <fabo> debfx: rah :/ uploaded now
[15:10] <debfx> thansk :)
[15:15]  * bulldog98 needs a new icecc version :)
[15:22] <debfx> markey_nokialyze: how do I add applets in amarok after I've removed all?
[15:22] <debfx> the configure button isn't displayed anymore
[15:23] <yofel> bulldog98: got the PPA in your pbuilder sources?
[15:23] <bulldog98> yep
[15:23] <yofel> bulldog98: and yes, I'll do workspace later today, needs newer python packages
[15:23] <bulldog98> so it might depend on that, I’ll continue with something else
[15:25] <yofel> bulldog98: see depgraph for what doesn't need workspace
[15:25] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah :)
[15:27] <bulldog98> but first I want to do a bit of kubuntu-dev-tools coding
[15:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: btw should I merge in the stuff I created?
[15:27] <apachelogger> sure
[15:32] <bulldog98> Me’ll do that
[15:32] <bulldog98> after I added an other thing to it
[15:32] <bulldog98> I also suggest doing an daily build of it in ninjas ppa
[15:34] <bulldog98> apachelogger: how can I remove an \n for a ruby string? and test for it?
[15:35] <bulldog98> Riddell: is it possible to change the location to which a bzr checkout points?
[15:35] <yofel> bulldog98: bzr unbind, bzr bind <new branch at lp>
[15:35] <bulldog98> yofel: thx
[15:36] <Riddell> that's the one
[15:36] <Riddell> bzr switch is similar for  branches
[15:36] <bulldog98> ok
[15:38] <CIA-130> [lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk] Jonathan Kolberg * 134 * (3 files in 2 dirs) Updated kgetsource and made zsh completion better
[15:39] <apachelogger> I think my name server went kaput
[15:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you run a nameserver?
[15:41] <apachelogger> sure, how else would I remember all the names?
[15:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: wise man says "responsibility is a challenge, challenge builds self, but running your own nameserver is just masochism"
[15:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Definitely.  Running a nameserver is a job best left for experts.
[15:43] <apachelogger> wise man must be jealous
[15:44] <apachelogger> woah
[15:44] <apachelogger> superhack alert
[15:49] <bulldog98> apachelogger: whot superhack?
[15:49] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you have an idea to make dpkg-buildpackage -nc work with dh7?
[15:49] <apachelogger> uds-qml
[15:49] <apachelogger> rbelem: why would it not be workign with dh7
[15:50] <apachelogger> ?
[15:50] <rbelem> :-)
[15:50] <rbelem> apachelogger, it does not build the package again if you make a change to the code
[15:50] <rbelem> i dont know why
[15:51] <apachelogger> well yeah, that is what no clean implies :P
[15:51] <apachelogger> rbelem: please paste an ls debian
[15:51] <rbelem> oki
[15:51]  * bulldog98 is now merging kubuntu-dev-tools
[15:51] <apachelogger> there is probably some file by which dh decides whether it needs to run install (and install will trigger a new cmake run and make)
[15:51] <apachelogger> bulldog98: if you break it you buy it
[15:52] <bulldog98> apachelogger: it’s not broken
[15:55] <bulldog98> how can i trunkate local modification in bzr?
[15:56] <allee> bulldog98: bzr revert
[15:57] <bulldog98> allee: thx
[15:57] <bulldog98> Riddell: would you add that to the dolphin plugin?
[15:58] <Riddell> hmm, could do, although I'm worried about adding too much to the plugin because the UI is just a long context menu which will get longer
[15:59] <allee> Riddell: (In)famous   'More ...'   submenu ;)
[16:02] <bulldog98> Riddell: or make it configurable, what you display as options
[16:02] <bulldog98> some checkboxes and option and a possibility to restore a default
[16:03] <bulldog98> checkbox revert \n checkbox merge …
[16:05] <bulldog98> agateau: ^ better idea?
[16:05]  * agateau reads
[16:06] <allee> bulldog98: I would compare how svn, mercuriel, git handle it.  And as step one do the same.
[16:06] <allee> the xxx dolphin plugins do it
[16:07] <agateau> bulldog98: having checkboxes to decide whether menu items should be shown sounds a bit tedious to use
[16:07] <bulldog98> allee: I miss some options for the git plugin
[16:08] <agateau> as allee said, would be good to have a look at what the other plugins do
[16:08] <bulldog98> agateau: was the first thing that came into my mind
[16:08] <bulldog98> agateau: but they are to limited
[16:08]  * bulldog98 needs options more of them
[16:08] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 119 * (17 files in 4 dirs) Merged in lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk
[16:10] <Riddell> I suspect the other plugins don't have a "revert" option, since I mostly copied the other plugins to make the bazaar one
[16:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: any news on the digikam merge btw?
[16:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: er no, had to fix my dads PC today (which started with buying a new mainboard...) and some other things. Now I'm doing workspace, I'll take a look in a few mins
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ah ok :)
[16:15] <shadeslayer> "2011-09-19 14:16:27 INFO    Removing candidates:
[16:15] <shadeslayer> 2011-09-19 14:16:27 INFO        kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts 11.04ubuntu1 in oneiric"
[16:15] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:15] <yofel> heh
[16:19] <bambee> evening
[16:20] <debfx> ScottK: qtwebkit is waiting for approval
[16:20] <bulldog98> bambee: hi
[16:21] <yofel> bah, python-qt4 wants newer python-dbus :S
[16:22] <bulldog98> agateau: could you have a look to http://people.ubuntu.com/~bulldog98/ksm_error.png ?
[16:23] <bulldog98> still copying
[16:25] <bulldog98> Riddell: btw why isn’t the qbzr stuff a child window of dolphin
[16:26] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 120 * bin/kgetsource Made the autoguessing of the version working use kgetsource PACKAGE to get the latest stable Version
[16:27] <bulldog98> agateau: could you have a look to http://people.ubuntu.com/~bulldog98/ksm_error.png ?
[16:28] <agateau> bulldog98: what should I look at?
[16:29] <agateau> Ah "abbrechen" probably
[16:29] <bulldog98> the string is overlapping
[16:30] <bulldog98> it’s part of kde-workspace
[16:30] <claydoh> anyone else having problems logging into google accounts with the updated rekonq?
[16:30] <bulldog98> and I want to know how I can fix that
[16:31] <agateau> bulldog98: look in the source :)
[16:31] <bulldog98> claydoh: what version do you use
[16:31] <bulldog98> agateau: did that, but I don’t know why it happens and apachelogger neither
[16:31] <Riddell> bulldog98: qbzr has no option for --attach <WinID>, this is because it's Qt and pure Qt has no equivalent of KWindowSystem.setMainWindow()
[16:31] <agateau> bulldog98: you need to discover which Plasma widget is used, and then fix it
[16:31] <bulldog98> at least I under stood him so
[16:31] <agateau> bulldog98: I need to go right now
[16:32] <claydoh> the one from experimental 0.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:32] <agateau> bulldog98: can we talk about this tomorrow?
[16:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I told you why it fails
[16:32] <bulldog98> agateau: yes
[16:32] <apachelogger> also it should still be done in qml
[16:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: maybe
[16:32] <apachelogger> the code for the shutdown is a classic case of OMGWIDGETS
[16:33]  * agateau agrees with apachelogger
[16:33] <agateau> ok, see you tomorrow
[16:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: if you point me to something exept nokia docs for qml, I’ll do it
[16:33] <bulldog98> by
[16:33] <apachelogger> what is wrong with the qt docs?
[16:34] <claydoh> bulldog98: I have no idea if this was an issue in the regular version in oneiric
[16:34]  * apachelogger spends half his day in the qtcreator help tab
[16:35] <bulldog98> claydoh: hm I can login to my google account
[16:35] <claydoh> odd I seldom use rekonq will dig and see
[16:35] <bulldog98> apachelogger: should clone his qt experience and place it into my head
[16:36] <bulldog98> apachelogger: uds-qml is in your scratch, isn’t it?
[16:36] <claydoh> odd I seldom use rekonq will dig and see
[16:36] <claydoh> heh sorry
[16:36]  * yofel tries to dig up natty pyth0rn packaging of KDE stuff
[16:37] <yofel> this is totally un-backportable
[16:37] <bulldog98> yofel: yep
[16:37] <apachelogger> bulldog98: yes
[16:37] <apachelogger> bulldog98: it aint code you want to learn qml from though :P
[16:37] <bulldog98> it’s kind of an total mess
[16:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: then point me to proper code :P
[16:38] <apachelogger> qt docs
[16:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I already read them and I still don’t know who to write qml and use it in an c++ app
[16:40] <apachelogger> why dont you start with writing the qml for starters?!
[16:40] <apachelogger> baby steps
[16:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ? things like hello world?
[16:40] <apachelogger> no
[16:40] <apachelogger> the shutdown dialog
[16:40] <yofel> ScottK: do you know what exactly '--no-dbg-cleaning' does for dh_python2?
[16:41] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[16:41] <ScottK> It doesn't remove pure python files from the -dbg package.
[16:41] <yofel> hm, what's going to break if I remove that?
[16:41] <ScottK> Non-working dbg package.
[16:42] <ScottK> If you look at the previous revision of the package you can see the horrible back (but working) workaround.
[16:44] <yofel> ok, thanks
[16:46]  * apachelogger tests new uds-qml
[16:50] <bulldog98> apachelogger: how could I test changes for ksmserver with out loging out and in again?
[16:50] <apachelogger> xephyr
[16:51] <ScottK> debfx: What testing has it had?
[16:52] <ScottK> yofel: BTW, for python-dbus, python-qt4, and some others they share a namespace, so they all need to be either dh_python2 or python-support.  You can't mix them.
[16:55] <debfx> ScottK: I've checked that it fixes the amarok crash and did some basic rekonq testing
[16:55]  * ScottK looks
[16:56] <ScottK> debfx: fabo is packaging 2.2.0rc1 right now.  Why week 36 and not the rc?
[16:56] <debfx> ScottK: week36 is the RC
[16:56] <ScottK> I see.
[16:57] <ScottK> Any reason not to call it that?
[16:57] <ScottK> (not that it really matters)
[16:58] <ScottK> Accepted in any case.
[16:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: off topic, have you looked at this documentary called "Waiting for superman"
[16:58] <ScottK> No
[16:59] <shadeslayer> Ah, its about the American Public school system, i really suggest watching it :)
[16:59] <ScottK> If it's going to tell me the system is complete crap, I don't need a documentary for that.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> thats, what it does for the first 45 minutes :P
[17:01] <debfx> ScottK: I didn't want to change the version scheme (in case we need to change back to weekly)
[17:01] <ScottK> OK.  Makes sense.
[17:06] <ScottK> debfx: Would you please look at Bug 853841 - Seems like it might be related to your last round of changeds.
[17:10] <debfx> ScottK: will do
[17:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:43] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks for looking into quassel.
[17:55] <ScottK> micahg: Did you get a chance to look at kdesdk over the weekend?
[17:56] <micahg> ScottK: unfortunately not, will try tonight
[17:57] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[17:57] <micahg> ScottK: is it actually on an image?
[17:58] <ScottK> I think it has binaries on the dvd.
[18:00] <ScottK> micahg: Yes, it's on the dvd.
[18:01] <debfx> ScottK: no problem, after all I've introduced that bug ;)
[18:02] <debfx> are we even going to release powerpc images?
[18:02] <ScottK> If someone turns up that can test them.
[18:02] <ScottK> But it's the only FTBFS in the Kubuntu packageset, so the completionist in me wants it fixed regardless.
[18:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/5ctus.png :P
[18:31] <shadeslayer> is it pron?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> no
[18:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks nice nevertheless :P
[18:31] <shadeslayer> is that using our parser?
[18:31] <apachelogger> yus
[18:31] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:32] <apachelogger> did I mention that quickuds will have phonon integration
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: workaround?
[18:32] <apachelogger> so it can actually ply prn
[18:32] <shadeslayer> hahaha :D
[18:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw the parser now uses qsharedpointer
[18:32]  * shadeslayer checks
[18:32] <bambee> nokia smartphones <3
[18:34]  * shadeslayer needs to revise his cute pointers
[18:36] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:41]  * apachelogger needs to fix up his qmake a bit
[18:43] <shadeslayer> dude
[18:43] <shadeslayer> you broke my app
[18:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:43] <shadeslayer> now to test it
[18:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can you please move that app somewhere?
[18:43] <apachelogger> it is spitting all over sane source layout :P
[18:43] <shadeslayer> like where?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:43] <apachelogger> seperate repo for all I care :P
[18:43] <shadeslayer> its just a app to test the library
[18:44] <apachelogger> which is in the same pro as the lib so both will get built for no good reason
[18:44] <shadeslayer> hmm, right ...
[18:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do i need to keep !isEmpty(LIBQCALPARSER_STATIC) {
[18:45] <shadeslayer>     CONFIG += staticlib
[18:45] <shadeslayer> }
[18:45] <shadeslayer> or can that go as well
[18:45] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you think is ok to remove kdelibs/experimental/kactivites from the KDE/4.7 repos?
[18:47] <apachelogger> why?
[18:47] <apachelogger> scary
[18:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: away with it
[18:48] <apachelogger> aint working anyway
[18:48] <apachelogger> plus I am not using sub projects
[18:48] <apachelogger> that makes qtcreator get a major headache
[18:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, since it is in its own tree
[18:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'll write tests for it tomorrow
[18:50] <apachelogger> rbelem: I do not follow... KDE 4.7 was released with it, so it should definitely not be removed at this point
[18:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: groovy
[18:50] <apachelogger> qtest ftw
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yeah, i've never written a test, and this looks like the perfect oppurtunity to learn ;)
[18:50] <shadeslayer> small library that i'm familar with ...
[18:52] <apachelogger> righto
[18:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: test app is gone
[18:52] <apachelogger> cheers
[18:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: important question
[18:59] <apachelogger> what to call the app?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> app?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> oh the qml app
[19:00] <shadeslayer> no fricking idea
[19:00] <shadeslayer> QMLUDSCal xD
[19:01] <apachelogger> lol
[19:01] <apachelogger> I was thinking QuickUDS but that is a bit silly
[19:01] <apachelogger> so I am tending towards UDS
[19:01] <apachelogger> binary all lower
[19:02] <shadeslayer> qUDS?  I am simply adding your instructions to my pro :P
[19:26] <apachelogger> build it as part of the app
[19:26] <apachelogger> scary shit that is
[19:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes I have, how to install now?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: installing involves pulling out hair and the likes :P
[19:27] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: no prob I have more than enought hairs :P
[19:28] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:30] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: where is the code?
[19:30] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/uds-qml
[19:31] <shadeslayer> and git@github.com:shadeslayer/libqcalparser.git
[19:31] <apachelogger> bulldog98: WIP
[19:31] <apachelogger> bulldog98: get qt sdk
[19:31] <bulldog98> apachelogger: me used kde 4.0 as productive, so have no fear
[19:32] <apachelogger> no
[19:32] <apachelogger> I meant the repos are not what I have here
[19:32]  * apachelogger is reshuffeling code all day long
[19:33] <shadeslayer> i have to go learn MATLAB now
[19:33] <shadeslayer> -.-
[19:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: hm I’ll need atleast 3h to get sdk so you can do all kind of stuff you want with the repro until then
[19:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: :O
[19:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz dont kill yourself
[19:33] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: stop using propritary stuff
[19:34] <apachelogger> bulldog98: actually I am just about done :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: don't worry, i survived python, this can't be half as bad
[19:34] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i said studying, i woP
[19:34] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: python is easy if you get used to it
[19:34] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[19:34] <shadeslayer> *i said studying, i don't actually use MATLAB
[19:35] <shadeslayer> i just rote learn the programs, enough to get by in the shitty exam
[19:36] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: you should fix that, you need to convince your prof of open source :)
[19:36] <shadeslayer> infact, someone just told me we have a exam in the morning :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> can't
[19:36] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: that would involve going to the university and getting the course changed
[19:37] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i couldn't get them to use a sane compiler, do you think they'll listen to me now ? :P
[19:37] <shadeslayer> they use the Borland Compiler from the 90's
[19:37] <shadeslayer> the one with the blue ide and such
[19:37] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: what the * is tha legal to use shit like that
[19:37] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:38] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: alot of the students believe real world applications are written using that compiler
[19:38] <bulldog98> lol
[19:38] <bulldog98> I think most app are compiled with gcc or the visual studio one
[19:38] <shadeslayer> infact, i had a interviewer ask me what telnet was, and i kept laughing for the next 5 minutes
[19:39] <bulldog98> lol
[19:39] <apachelogger> bulldog98: depends a lot on what you define as app
[19:39] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: did you told him that it’s outdated?
[19:39] <apachelogger> there also is java
[19:39] <apachelogger> and .net
[19:39] <apachelogger> and more java
[19:39] <apachelogger> also java
[19:39] <apachelogger> flash actually too
[19:39] <apachelogger> or whatever the adobe stuff is
[19:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok I mean C++ and C stuff
[19:39] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i told him its legacy and that people use ssh now
[19:39] <shadeslayer> adobe air
[19:40] <bulldog98> and the hardware code
[19:40] <apachelogger> actually I think there is still plenty of software that is deployed with borland
[19:40] <apachelogger> but yeah msvc is on the rise
[19:40] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: that would be VHDL
[19:40] <shadeslayer> i actually managed to learn some VHDL without my brain imploding ....
[19:41] <bulldog98> !search VHDL
[19:41] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: signed adder in vhdl : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vhdl_signed_adder.png
[19:42] <shadeslayer> and then there's ASM :P
[19:43] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/123961/
[19:43] <apachelogger> good luck reading that
[19:43] <bulldog98> ok
[19:43] <shadeslayer> #else // !Q_WS_MAEMO_6 && !Q_WS_MAEMO_5 whut?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> oh, ok, understood
[19:44] <bulldog98> nice code :)
[19:45]  * bulldog98 needs ~8h to download the sdk, so apachelogger I’ll test that tomorrow
[19:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have fun reading http://paste.kde.org/123979
[19:46] <apachelogger> glib
[19:46] <apachelogger> fail
[19:46] <apachelogger> not reading
[19:46] <apachelogger> kthxbai
[19:46] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> the header looks relatively simple :P
[19:48] <shadeslayer> anyway, back to matlab
[19:55] <apachelogger> bulldog98, shadeslayer: to build get the repo, run ./repo-update, fire up qtcreator and deploy away
[19:55] <apachelogger> (libqcal is not built into the binary itself)
[19:55] <apachelogger> s/not/now
[19:55] <shadeslayer> aw crap, i was in stable KDE a couple of minutes ago
[19:55] <shadeslayer> i could have tested it then
[19:56] <apachelogger> or rather fixed it :P
[19:56] <apachelogger> I am reasonable sure that the desktop ui is broken beyond repair
[19:56] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[19:59] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/123979
[19:59] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/123979
[19:59] <shadeslayer> derp
[20:00] <shadeslayer> wtf
[20:00] <shadeslayer> :-1: error: No rule to make target `src/qcalparser.cpp', needed by `qcalparser.o'.  Stop.
[20:00] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:00] <apachelogger> uh
[20:00] <apachelogger> sec
[20:00]  * apachelogger is new to git submodules
[20:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pull and run repo-update again
[20:09] <shadeslayer> works
[20:09] <apachelogger> yay
[20:09] <apachelogger> so git submodules actually lock on a particular commit hash
[20:09] <shadeslayer> file:///home/shadeslayer/kde/uds-build-desktop-Qt_in_PATH_Debug/qml/ubuntudevelopersummit/main.qml:1:1: module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed
[20:09] <shadeslayer>      import QtQuick 1.1
[20:09] <shadeslayer>      ^
[20:09] <shadeslayer> as expected
[20:10] <apachelogger> ah
[20:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm in neon
[20:10] <apachelogger> if you want to work on desktop you'll need to switch something in the main.cpp
[20:10] <apachelogger> I think
[20:10] <shadeslayer> so, won't work
[20:10] <apachelogger>         #else
[20:10] <apachelogger>             QLatin1String("qml/ubuntudevelopersummit/main.qml")
[20:10] <apachelogger> instead of uds use desktop there
[20:10] <shadeslayer> neon does not have declrative stuff i think
[20:10] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:10] <apachelogger> code for that is in qml/desktop/
[20:11] <apachelogger> which does not need to depend on qtquick 1.1 and is likely broken in more fun ways ^^
[20:11] <shadeslayer> same thing
[20:11] <shadeslayer> huh weird
[20:11] <shadeslayer> one sec
[20:11] <apachelogger> well
[20:11] <apachelogger> it might be using 1.1
[20:11] <shadeslayer> file:///home/shadeslayer/kde/uds-build-desktop-Qt_in_PATH_Debug/qml/ubuntudevelopersummit/main.qml:1:1: module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed
[20:11] <shadeslayer> wtf?
[20:12] <apachelogger> oh
[20:12] <apachelogger> eh?
[20:12] <shadeslayer>             MDeclarativeCache::applicationDirPath() % QLatin1Literal("/../qml/desktop/main.qml")
[20:12] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:12] <apachelogger> wrong!
[20:12] <shadeslayer> wrong place
[20:12] <shadeslayer> well, it starts
[20:12] <shadeslayer> but i get nothingness
[20:12] <apachelogger> yeah
[20:12] <apachelogger> broken
[20:13] <apachelogger> since I changed everything around
[20:13] <shadeslayer> he
[20:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok
[20:13] <apachelogger> oh lord
[20:13] <apachelogger> that is *all* different
[20:13] <apachelogger> makes no sense whatsoever
[20:13] <shadeslayer> i'll write tests for the library and fix the Desktop app then
[20:13] <shadeslayer>             console.debug("nu model")
[20:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:13] <apachelogger> fixing it is easy
[20:14] <shadeslayer> for you it is
[20:14] <apachelogger> there is a context provided object called mainCalendar
[20:14] <shadeslayer> i know very little QML
[20:14] <apachelogger> it has a property sessionModel which is the model for the view
[20:15] <apachelogger> the entries can be accessed via 'summary' 'description' and the like (See uds or symbian code for that)
[20:15] <apachelogger> to update the modules either call update() with the ical path on mainCalendar or updateFromCache()
[20:15] <apachelogger> latter only works after former was run once
[20:15] <shadeslayer> well
[20:15] <apachelogger> there is also userCalendar which is just like mainCalendar except it can be used to retrieve the user's specific calendar
[20:15] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:15] <apachelogger> (again see uds code for how that works)
[20:15] <shadeslayer> nice
[20:16] <apachelogger> incidentially enough there was a catwalk class earlier
[20:16] <apachelogger> and I am thinking about reviving it instead of the two managers ^^
[20:16] <shadeslayer> i'll bbiab
[20:16] <apachelogger> like you could totally do with one catwalk and two models ^^
[20:35] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 121 * debian/ (changelog control copyright) Made zsh a recomend and added copyright and changes to changelog
[20:40]  * bambee watchs "match point" for the third time... scarlett johansson is just.... perfect <3
[20:41]  * bulldog98 goes to bed and lets the pc download QtSDK
[20:41] <bulldog98> btw why don’t we have everything in our repros?
[20:41] <shadeslayer> we ... don't ?
[20:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: your digikam merge looks fine as far as I see.
[20:42] <shadeslayer> alright, i'll push to packagers then, and you can upload it
[20:42] <shadeslayer> or you can merge and upload
[20:43] <shadeslayer> because i'm pretty sleepy now, and i'll probably do something wrong
[20:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: got the package somewhere in a PPA?
[20:46] <shadeslayer> nope, built it locally
[20:47] <debfx> please don't upload digikam with all those library packages
[20:47] <debfx> especially not without overriding the version of the binary packages as digikam version != library versions
[20:48]  * yofel just wanted to see if it works
[20:48] <shadeslayer> i installed it in a chroot and it installed fine
[20:49] <debfx> ScottK: has there been a decision about bluedevil 1.2?
[21:27] <ScottK> debfx: I'd say go for it.
[21:27] <ScottK> The reasons I said to hold have have been addressed in 1.2.1.
[21:27] <ScottK> afiestas will be sad if we don't.
[21:28] <afiestas> Well, I will maintain 1.1 for one more year
[21:28] <afiestas> but yeah, the 1.2 changelog is quite interesting to make an exception imho
[21:28] <afiestas> and of course you knwo that any problem will be fixed within a week or so
[21:32] <debfx> afiestas: you said something about a libbluedevil patch? do we need to cherry-pick that one?
[21:34] <debfx> ah
[21:36] <debfx> afiestas: nevermind, I've read your kubuntu-devel post
[21:36] <apachelogger> debfx: it is in .1
[21:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you be famous http://i.imgur.com/nWmt8.png
[21:41] <debfx> apachelogger: is there a new libbluedevil release or are you mixing up bludevil with libbluedevil?
[21:41] <apachelogger> I do not compute the question
[21:42] <apachelogger> debfx: there is a patchy for libbluedevil
[21:42] <apachelogger> and there is pletny of patchy for bluedevil which turned into bluedevil 1.2.1
[21:44] <debfx> oh whatever, I'll package bluedevil 1.2.1 and add the libbluedevil patch
[22:11] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[22:20] <debfx> ScottK: I've uploaded both
[22:20] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[22:38] <apachelogger> bulldog98, shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/RaqVr.png http://i.imgur.com/ZpSqi.png http://i.imgur.com/TMFR3.png
[22:38] <apachelogger> makig UIs with qt quick is fun
[22:38] <apachelogger> (except for the dreadful flickable element brrrrr)
[22:57] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/Msoym.png
[23:43] <BarkingFish> Morning all.  Anyone know what's happened to Dolphin in the latest round of updates?  A function that I used to have available has vanished, and I'm desperate to get it back again if I can.
[23:44] <BarkingFish> When you right click on a file, you can still cut / copy / paste - but there used to be a facility for Copy to... with submenus, or Move to..., again with submenus for selecting where.
[23:44] <BarkingFish> If I still have it, I'll be danged if I can find it.
[23:52] <claydoh> BarkingFish: you set that in its settings under general >> context menu
[23:52] <claydoh> oops this should be in #kubuntu for support
[23:53] <BarkingFish> ah.  I never had to do that on the previous version of Dolphin, claydoh - I can only assume the new version disables it by default.
[23:54] <BarkingFish> Sorted.  Would this be something KDE have switched off by default, or does it default to that in our package of it?
[23:54] <claydoh> don't think its ever been default - I have always have to set it, though I usually keep my kde settings backed up and restore those so I don't usually have to
[23:55] <claydoh> iirc most of our settings sre kde defaults
[23:55] <BarkingFish> claydoh - I never had to enable it in my last version of Dolphin, it was there by default from a fresh install of Kubuntu 11.04
[23:55] <BarkingFish> I only installed 11.04 on this machine a week ago.
[23:56] <claydoh> dunno,. i always have to set it, but as I said, I normally restore my kde settings in a fresh install


[16:49] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/lp1460715/+merge/274897
[16:49] <smoser> where are we on that ?
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Urgh, lost track of that.
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: In calls until my EOD, will catch up on it tomorrow morning.
[16:55] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ok. well, please take alook tomorrow and we can get it into xenial still i think.
[18:04] <harlowja> smoser what's the status on network_data.json support?
[18:04] <harlowja> is that fully supported in 0.7.7?
[18:06] <smoser> fully for ubuntu at this point.
[18:06] <harlowja> k
[18:07] <smoser> and /you can add the centos support right now!
[18:07] <smoser> :)
[18:07] <harlowja> :)
[18:07] <harlowja> i just might!
[18:07] <harlowja> so there!
[18:07] <harlowja> lol


[00:00] <jbicha> can anyone explain why https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi?package=qtwayland-opensource-src&S=on is missing on i386 in jammy?
[00:01] <jbicha> even though i386 binaries were built earlier https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwayland-opensource-src/5.15.2-4/+build/22234712
[00:02] <jbicha> should I do a no-change rebuild?
[00:03] <sarnold> I'm surprised we build it at all, it doesn't feel like one of the ones that steam would have needed
[00:04] <bdmurray> Maybe check the i386-whitelist package set
[00:05] <bdmurray> Or this discourse post https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-process-for-32-bit-compatibility/12598
[00:05] <RikMills> jbicha: I see in my IRC logs that it was removed from the i386 whitelist last October
[00:08] <RikMills> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/10/08/%23ubuntu-release.html
[00:08] <RikMills> -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed qtwayland-opensource-src from i386-whitelist in impish
[00:09] <jbicha> sarnold: it's (apparently optionally) used by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good1.0/1.19.90-1ubuntu1
[00:10] <sarnold> ahh... that *does* seem like something that steam would use, heh
[00:10] <jbicha> it was dropped here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good1.0/1.18.5-1ubuntu2
[00:11] <jbicha> I guess I'll ask Seb tomorrow then
[11:46] <sunweaver> stgraber: hi. Here comes a request from the UBports team, would you mind fixing LXC for arm64 on Ubuntu focal? See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1958661
[11:46] <sunweaver> This would be much appreciated!!!
[13:01] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, hello, did you work with openssl bundled in nodejs?
[13:01] <LocutusOfBorg>         > 51 |     hash = require('crypto').createHash(hashType);
[13:01] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/583449555/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.node-loader-utils_2.0.2-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:01] <LocutusOfBorg> this looks a problem due to use of bundled ssl?
[13:24] <LocutusOfBorg> well, the test wasn't run in previous version, and fails there too
[14:50] <ahasenack> rbasak: new packages in main are only seen by git-ubuntu if it's restarted?
[14:50] <ahasenack> in terms of importing them
[14:55] <ahasenack> kanashiro: I see you had a repository for lto-disabled-list, I just imported it into git-ubuntu: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lto-disabled-list
[14:55] <ahasenack> fyi
[15:01] <kanashiro> ahasenack, ack
[15:07] <rbasak> ahasenack: yes - IIRC we couldn't find a way in Launchpad's API to determine if a package belongs to main or universe, so instead we fetch (and gpg verify) the apt indexes when the poller is started. So restarting the poller is necessary if there's a package that's not imported, moved to main, and you want it to be imported on the "all packages in main" criteria. However, an alternative is to just
[15:08] <rbasak> import it by injecting the request, because then it'll keep up with it regardless of component.
[15:56] <ahasenack> rbasak: ok, thanks, yes, I did just that, requested a normal import
[15:57] <cjwatson> rbasak: Odd - there's a component_name attribute on source_package_publishing_history that should tell you
[15:59] <rbasak> Maybe we missed that
[15:59] <cjwatson> Or maybe I'm missing some subtlety :)
[16:00] <rbasak> We are glossing over the main-ness of a package being a per-publication thing, rather than a property of a source package itself.
[16:01] <rbasak> That's a little tricky to resolve, and in git-ubuntu we just ignore it by looking to see if a package is in main in the development release at the time we looked.
[16:01] <rbasak> That's slightly harder to resolve from the Launchpad API, I think.
[16:02] <rbasak> Also, because of the design at the time, we wanted a "list of all packages in main" and that's harder to do without a large number of API calls if we're going to use source_package_publishing_history.component_name
[16:02] <rbasak> It might be easier now that we have a should_this_package_be_imported(pkg_name) function because that could look things up at the time.
[16:11] <jbicha> vorlon: can you re-enable qtwayland-opensource-src for i386? gst-plugins-good1.0 in jammy-proposed wants it
[17:12] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  somewhat yes. But i didn't pay attention if we have upgraded node already, or not
[17:21] <dbungert> Looking for a sponsor for a rebuild to help with NBS report: LP: #1959700
[17:22] <schopin> dbungert: a simple rebuild is enough?
[17:22] <dbungert> schopin: I think so, yes
[17:23] <schopin> dbungert: allright :)
[17:23] <dbungert> schopin: Thanks!
[17:41] <ahasenack> I'd like to remove a package from lto-disabled-list, I verified a) it builds fine with lto; b) the failure that got it placed in here was not lto related, but python related
[17:41] <ahasenack> so just do it?
[17:42] <ahasenack> or do we need bugs?
[18:05] <bdmurray> ahasenack: a merge proposal but no bug would be good
[18:06] <ahasenack> I filed a bug for myself already, but ok
[18:07] <ahasenack> I don't understand something, though. frr is in lto-disabled-list, but the build logs of the last upload in launchpad show -lto* flags were used: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/568804185/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.frr_8.1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:08] <ahasenack> lto-disabled-list was at v15 then, but it had frr in its list
[18:08] <ahasenack> sorry, v16
[18:08] <ahasenack> but still there
[19:47] <ginggs> ahasenack: i have seen some packaging that is immune to lto-disabled-list, e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ferret-vis/7.6.0-2ubuntu1
[19:47] <ahasenack> aha
[21:50] <ahasenack> vorlon: can we not build ndctl for i386? It's grown a dependency on libiniparser-dev which is not built on i386:
[21:50] <ahasenack> ndctl | 71.1-1build1          | jammy                   | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
[21:50] <ahasenack>  ndctl | 72.1-1                | jammy-proposed          | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
[21:50] <ahasenack>  libiniparser-dev | 4.1-4ubuntu3 | jammy           | amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
[22:35] <jbicha> ahasenack: we'd have to drop the build-depends from libblockdev first. Maybe Debian will do that with us


[10:55] <silly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Tdm797BzM&t=5610s
[10:55] <datase> ^ YouTube :: Astra Test Flight (Launch Vehicle 0006) @ 01:33:30 :: Duration: 01:40:08 :: Views: 285,399 uploaded by NASASpaceflight :: 8,653 likes :: 197 dislikes :: 0 favorites
[10:58] <silly> dobro nije zapela za ogradu ili neko stablo


[00:09] <MACscr> why does it seem like sometimes after kernel/grub updates that the default kernel selection no longer works and i have to press enter? sucks for remote systems
[00:25] <TJ-> That happens if the GRUB 'recordfail' flag is set due to an unclean OS shutdown
[00:25] <MACscr> TJ-: thanks, i will check
[00:26] <qman__> You can disable that functionality in he grub configuration
[00:27] <qman__> It's a relatively new feature that's a pain in the rear
[00:28] <TJ-> recordfail has been around many years :)
[00:35] <MACscr> odd, all the suggestions im finding are old and seem like hacks
[01:49] <roseysdad> i need help
[01:51] <adun153> roseysdad: Just ask, people will answer if they are active and have a helpful answer.
[02:40] <ksx4system> does it make sense to run mail server on VPS with just 256M of ram? 14.04 LTS 32-bit, postfix+dovecot+something to filter spam
[02:46] <sarnold> maybe if it's ssd backed or osmethinng...
[02:46] <sarnold> otherwise feels a bit itght
[02:54] <roseysdad> how can i see what services are running in systemd?
[03:02] <ksx4system> sarnold, pure SSD
[03:03] <ksx4system> and super low volume (never over 50 mails a day, 99% of them under 10 kilobytes)
[03:05] <adun153> ksx4system: It might work, but  I'm still pretty nervous about that, especially if it is to be used for something in production/mission-critical.
[03:07] <ksx4system> adun153, what exactly is that *insanely* resource hungry? the spam filtering part?
[03:08] <ksx4system> (of course I'm going to run postfix/dovecot combo operating without SQL database)
[03:09] <adun153> Ubuntu has never exactly been a "lean" distro, if you know what I mean.
[03:09] <adun153> You can probably run it, but it might have to swap quite a bit, I thin.
[03:09] <adun153> *think.
[03:09] <ksx4system> adun153, if you take some time it can be as light as properly tuned Debian :)
[03:10] <ksx4system> but Ubuntu has longer support cycles (5 years for LTS)
[03:11] <ksx4system> what about 512M? would it help?
[03:11] <adun153> ksx4system: I'd be a lot more comfortable with  512.
[03:12] <ksx4system> this is insane
[03:12] <adun153> ksx4system: But it seems like you have the time, you can set up the 256 instance, try it out, see if your hypothesis is correct.
[03:13] <adun153> You asked us for our opinions, you got it from sarnold and myself. Eventually, it's entirely up to you. :)
[03:13] <ksx4system> adun153, well I have around 3 months until date I have to move
[03:13] <ksx4system> so I can do some proper testing :)
[03:13] <adun153> Sounds good.
[03:14] <ksx4system> webmail is not an issue (hardcore tuned lighttpd + minimal php5 + squirrelmail) I think
[03:14] <ksx4system> this should eat at most 20M
[03:15] <ksx4system> if not less...
[03:15] <ksx4system> what about backup MX? do I need a big (256-512M) VPS too?
[03:18] <adun153> If just running Postfix, I think 256 should be fine.
[03:19] <ksx4system> will 128 do?
[03:19] <ksx4system> (yes, I always try to squeeze stuff as much as possible)
[03:22] <adun153> 128? I don't know. Leaning towards "no".
[03:25] <ksx4system> challenge accepted lol
[03:25] <adun153> lol
[03:25] <adun153> good luck
[03:29] <ksx4system> thanks :)
[03:29] <ksx4system> (I was actually surprised that mail server needs anything over 64M)
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:51] <mripguru> hey guys - anyone here successfully install Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04 (either LTS) successfully on a Dell C6100 blade server? It will just not install - and the installer is quite slow when it does try and work.
[08:52] <lordievader> mripguru: "It will just not install", do you get errors or something?
[08:53] <mripguru> lordievader: nope - but, most of the operations, etc. take on average a year and a day -- and when it did install earlier on (another blade in the same cluster) - it would boot to a black screen
[08:54] <mripguru> so no - it doesn't technically error
[08:54] <lordievader> mripguru: Hmm, the installer does run?
[08:54] <mripguru> but it doesn't work - either.
[08:55] <mripguru> lordievader: it looks like it's going to install successfully - but, usually just hangs up for awhile
[08:55] <mripguru> like the partitioning stage
[08:55] <lordievader> From the limited shell the installer gives you I'd test the disks and the overall performance of the machine.
[08:55] <mripguru> can take 20-30 min
[08:56] <lordievader> Since what you describe make me think that there is some trouble accessing the disks.
[08:58] <mripguru> bad disks?
[08:58] <lordievader> mripguru: Could be, like I said, test them ;)
[09:05] <mripguru> yup - let's see what another node does
[09:06] <lordievader> ? Why?
[09:06] <lordievader> Test where the problem lies not somewhere else.
[09:09] <kichko> Hey does anybody here tried the openstack-installer on ubuntu server...I'm behind a proxy and the creating of the container works but the initialization of the container fails...I'm 100% sure that there has to be some additional proxy-setting that I might have missed
[09:10] <mripguru> lordievader: I want to see if another node has the same behavior
[09:10] <mripguru> for comparison.
[09:11] <kichko> the command.log says  error.py:35] showing error view for: Top-level container OS did not initialize correctly.
[09:13] <kichko> while initializing it seems like that the deb repositories are not available but I check them manually they are up.
[09:44] <mripguru> lordievader: I think you may be onto something - but, I don't think it's the actual disks.
[09:44] <lordievader> mripguru: What did you find?
[09:45] <mripguru> lordievader: just for the hell of it - I'm installing XenServer - which does not support FakeRAID
[09:45] <mripguru> and it seems to be installing just fine.
[09:45] <lordievader> mripguru: Why not start with some basic dd tests to check the disk speeds?
[09:45] <mripguru> so looks like the issue may actually be in the FakeRAID
[09:46] <mripguru> lordievader: can do that - but, I know the disks are fine (more or less)
[09:46] <lordievader> Oh that can be, but perhaps there is something blocking Ubuntu from achieving the full disk speed (then you know why it is so slow ;) )
[09:48] <mripguru> lordievader: sounds like I should try turning off the FakeRAID and just building a true software RAID setup?
[09:49] <mripguru> (after running some disk tests)
[09:49] <lordievader> That is not what I am saying, I am saying you need to form a hypothesis then gather some data to see if it is correct.
[09:49] <lordievader> Only then you can think of a solution.
[09:50] <lordievader> Just doing things without reason is rather futile.
[09:51] <mripguru> lordievader: agreed
[09:55] <mripguru> lordievader: at this point - all roads lead either to the FakeRAID or the disks themselves - need to isolate each
[09:55] <lordievader> mripguru: Exactly ;)
[10:42] <mripguru> lordievader: I suspect part of the slowness may actually be the fact that I'm trying to install over IPMI/DRAC
[10:43] <lordievader> SOL IPMI?
[10:43] <mripguru> lordievader: no - some bastardized version of Supermicro IPMI
[10:44] <lordievader> SOL = Serial Over Lan ;)
[10:44] <mripguru> not serial
[10:44] <mripguru> full graphical UI
[10:44] <lordievader> Hmm.. Not sure. What kind of speeds does dd show?
[10:47] <dannysmc95> Hello, I am having some trouble with mysql? I can't seem to connect to it from my client on my computer, I use the IP and the 3306 port and it just errors, it says communication link failure (I am using DBBeaver), any help would be awesome, it says in the /var/log/mysql/error.log that it is ready to be connected to... but nothing? its enabled in my firewall so what can I do?
[10:48] <bekks> dannysmc95: Is your mysql server listening on a port or a socket?
[10:48] <dannysmc95> bekks how would I find out?
[10:49] <bekks> By looking at your config file.
[10:49] <dannysmc95> [mysqld] ?
[10:50] <dannysmc95> bekks: it says socket = /var.run.mysqld.sock and port = 3306 under that
[10:50] <bekks> dannysmc95: But there is no IP address configured to listen on?
[10:51] <dannysmc95> It uses bind-address = <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:52] <bekks> So it is listening on localhost Port 3306
[10:52] <bekks> Is <IP_ADDRESS> the IP you are trying to connect to?
[10:52] <dannysmc95> No I am external so using the servers IP
[10:52] <bekks> Your mysql server isnt listening on that IP.
[10:53] <dannysmc95> Okay but if I remove that IP would it not stop localhost access?
[10:54] <dannysmc95> ?
[10:55] <bekks> <IP_ADDRESS> will make it listen on all address, a.b.c.d (your external IP) will make it listen on that IP only, <IP_ADDRESS> makes it listen on localhost only.
[10:56] <dannysmc95> Okay so I should set bind-address to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:56] <bekks> Only if you need to access it from localhost, too.
[10:57] <dannysmc95> Yeah I would do, so I can use php?
[10:57] <bekks> you can use php using the socket, too.
[10:58] <bekks> But <IP_ADDRESS> should be fine.
[10:58] <dannysmc95> bekks: access denied?
[10:58] <bekks> dannysmc95: Is that a question?
[10:59] <dannysmc95> bekks: yeah its the correct user and password...?
[10:59] <bekks> Did you restart the mysql server after changing the config?
[10:59] <dannysmc95> yeah
[10:59] <bekks> Then your credentials arent correct.
[10:59] <dannysmc95> It works via CLI
[11:00] <dannysmc95> same password and same user, works my doing mysql -u <user> -p and then typing password?
[11:00] <bekks> Nope.
[11:00] <bekks> mysql -u user -p password -h host
[11:01] <dannysmc95> Eh? I am saying when connected to SSH to my server it works by doing the command above and works fine? but when I am trying to connect from a client on my pc here it doesn;t? do I need to allow the host?
[11:03] <lordievader> Sounds like a firewall is doing its job. You don't want you sql server exposed to the internet.
[11:03] <bekks> So if it works on your host, thats fine. Now you need to configure your server to allow connections from your client.
[11:04] <dannysmc95> bekks: how exactly do I do that? I am very new to having a server?
[11:05] <bekks> dannysmc95: I dont know how/what you did on your server to inhibit connections from your client.
[11:05] <dannysmc95> bekks: neither do I...
[11:07] <dannysmc95> I did the grant all on command in mysql via ssh but it says 0 rows affected?
[11:08] <dannysmc95> GOT IT
[11:09] <dannysmc95> Thanks for the walkthrough, I needed to permit my host name
[11:09] <dannysmc95> allow*
[11:16] <Mooslapke> Anyone can help me with git? I am trying to let other people connect to my server securely
[11:16] <Mooslapke> I think best with keys?
[13:00] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: A friend from uni just messaged me with a question about OpenERP. /o\
[13:00] <mripguru> ERP :P
[13:02] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: =))))))))))
[13:02] <xnox> ccccccegjekvhffrubfiujluhejujredutkbfbfbdrvi
[13:02] <xnox> sigh
[13:03]  * mripguru hates being the local 'IT guy'
[13:03] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: did you say: Oh dooo ask someone else?
[13:03] <xnox> =)
[13:03] <xnox> https://www.odoo.com/
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: <3
[13:05] <Odd_Bloke> mripguru: In their defence, I (and xnox) did work for a company that developed OpenERP plugins about 5 years ago.
[13:05] <xnox> gosh, has it been that long already?!
[13:05] <mripguru> that's not a defense - that's an excuse.
[13:05] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Maybe... 4?
[13:05] <Odd_Bloke> *checks CV*
[13:05] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: i bet tinyerp modules are still valid in odoo
[13:06] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: i started in 2011 i think, and you must have been there before.
[13:06] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: I can only assume you're trying to make me angry. :p
[13:06] <xnox> so in february it will be 5 years for me.
[13:06] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: I left July 2011, I think.
[13:38] <thresh> hi. anyone using packer to provision ubuntu 15.10 machines?
[13:39] <RoyK> are you using 15.10 on servers?
[13:39] <thresh> I'm trying to provision a server machine, yes.
[13:40] <RoyK> I hope this is not for production - it was released yesterday...
[13:40] <thresh> indeed :-)
[13:40] <RoyK> and isn't LTS
[13:40] <RoyK> and ...
[13:40] <RoyK> oh well
[13:40] <thresh> This is for a buildbot / build farm.  We're providing nginx.org packages built for different OSes.
[13:41] <RoyK> ic
[13:41] <teward|live> thresh: let me guess - the nginx.org repo?  ;)
[13:41] <thresh> :P
[13:41] <thresh> yes
[13:41]  * teward|live whistles nonchalantly then throws the idea of sbuild out there
[13:42] <thresh> teward|live: last time I checked it could not build stuff on centos and sles :-)
[13:42] <teward|live> thresh: no, it can't, i meant specifically for your Ubuntu/Debian builds
[13:42] <teward|live> thresh: granted, though, if you're doing builds on individual 'machines', even virtual, i
[13:42] <teward|live> i'm left scratching my head as to why
[13:43] <teward|live> but that's my opinion :)
[13:43] <thresh> the idea is to have prebuilt images for all OSes we support and do builds in a clean env every time
[13:43] <teward|live> (that's what sbuild does *cough cough*
[13:43] <teward|live> )
[13:43] <thresh> and on the real kernel
[13:43] <teward|live> ah
[13:44] <teward|live> 'kay then :)
[13:44]  * teward|live silently disappears back into the shadows
[13:44] <thresh> anyhow, there is a problem with packer and ubuntu 15.10 (while the exactly same config works for 15.04), so I'm kinda puzzled here.
[14:39] <thresh> uh, looks like whenever I launch ubuntu 15.10 server cd install, providing options in the console UI (clicking escape, escape, enter from main grub UI) with "boot: " gets me back to grub...
[14:45] <thresh> nice, and 15.04 does exactly the right thing when I type in "/install/vmlinuz  auto initrd=/install/initrd.gz" -- it tries to boot up the installer..
[14:45] <thresh> can anyone confirm that?
[14:45] <thresh> that's using http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-15.10-server-amd64.iso
[15:09] <RoyK> thresh: sounds like grub wasn't installed correctly
[15:10] <thresh> RoyK: "installed" on a CD you mean?
[15:10] <thresh> this is when I boot the CD up.
[15:10] <RoyK> oh
[15:10] <RoyK> no, haven't seen that
[15:12] <RoyK> thresh: actually, I don't think I've _ever_ seen that from a cd boot, but then, I've only used linux for 20 years or so ;)
[15:13] <thresh> well me neither and that's what's happening with 15.10 server isos (both i386 and amd64)
[15:13] <RoyK> thresh: I'm install 15.10 in a VM as we speak
[15:18] <thresh> RoyK: can you try this: https://gist.github.com/thresheek/82a67847b5308be5b9df ?
[15:18] <thresh> those the instructions to reproduce what I have
[15:25] <RoyK> thresh: why do you try to leave the installer in the installer?
[15:41] <thresh> RoyK: I want to provide a preseed configuration file.
[15:41] <TJ-> thresh: can you edit the existing command-line using F6, where a preseed is already listed?
[15:47] <thresh> TJ-: that works even if I remove all the parameters except "initrd=/install/initrd.gz" there and hit enter there.
[16:04] <TJ-> thresh: I see the same thing here in a VM; what is weird is "boot: xxxxx" then Enter shows "Loading image...". I cannot find where it gets the word 'image' from; the linux.c32 code uses "Loading %s\n", kernel_name which should show xxxxx
[16:04] <TJ-> thresh: also, if i repeat it several times iso/syslinux reports "Out of memory" apparently indicating it does manage to load the kernel image into RAM (using  1GB VM)
[16:06] <thresh> interesting. :/
[16:39] <vertago1_> Samba user authentication seems to be broken after upgrading to 15.10
[17:25] <RoyK> vertago1_: what sort of authentication are you using?
[18:22] <jonah_> hi can anyone please help. I'm trying to setup ubuntu 14.04 with a raid 10 using the ubuntu installer - so far i've just made a right mess of it each attempt! I followed the UrbanPenguin youtube video but he only does raid one and he uses an older version of ubuntu too so the guide just hasn't worked for me
[18:22] <jonah_> any help really appreciated.
[18:22] <jonah_> got a bootable usb with ubuntu server 14.04.3 on
[18:22] <jonah_> and also got a bootable gparted usb
[18:22] <jonah_> I'd hoped between the two it would work
[18:23] <lownin> I'm running ubuntu server 15.04 on my home server.  After doing apt-get dist-upgrade, this happens when I try to boot - http://imgur.com/a/20zFG
[18:23] <lownin> It seems to be failing to boot with Ubuntu Kernel 3.19.0-31 and if I interupt grub during boot and select <IP_ADDRESS>, my system boots just fine without the above errors.  Anyone have any ideas where I should even start with this?  Thanks!
[18:23] <sarnold> jonah_: there's some information on the installer's raid stuff here https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[18:25] <jonah_> sarnold: thanks this looks very similar to the youtube I followed. both mention the option of Primary drives being selectable but I had no option for Primary in 14.04...
[18:26] <jonah_> sarnold: i'll try follow the guide you've linked and just see if it is any different or works better than the youtube one. I get all the system installed etc but it just fails at the end and can't install grub, also I don't know what path i'm supposed to enter for grub...
[18:27] <jonah_> sarnold: the other problem I had when partitioning with the installer live usb is it wouldn't let me set the partitions as 'bootable' when I pressed enter to change it to bootable nothing happens. very weird
[18:28] <sarnold> lownin: you might try #ubuntu-kernel, or file a bug against the 'linux' package
[18:29] <sarnold> lownin: that second photo showing  failing to bring the cpus online is really something else..
[18:29] <lownin> sarnold: thanks, I'll repost in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:29] <lownin> sarnold: I agree.
[18:29] <sarnold> jonah_: iirc you're only allowed four primary partitions with old-style formatting, not sure about the new GPT format..
[18:32] <jonah_> sarnold: i only have four drives, so i'd just made 4 swaps partitions (1 on each drive) and 4 root partitions. then just installed at that but it didn't like it!
[18:35] <patdk-wk> the question is, how should you use those 4 :)
[18:35] <patdk-wk> raid0? raid1?
[18:36] <patdk-wk> jonah_, did you use mbr or gpt?
[18:37] <patdk-wk> gpt requires you make additional boot areas for grub
[18:39] <lownin> sarnold: #ubuntu-kernel isn't very active, is it?
[18:40] <sarnold> lownin: it may not be, I have to admit I've never used it.. but the topic looks kept up to date...
[18:41] <lownin> sarnold: I was reading through their channel logs, and there are entire days where no one says anything.
[18:42] <sarnold> must be nice :) haha
[18:42] <lownin> =p
[18:55] <jonah_> patdk-wk: sorry trying to do raid10
[19:01] <jonah_> just trying now with a 3rd raid volume which I've got a efi boot area set for each sda3 sdb3 sdc3 sdd3 etc...
[19:01] <jonah_> no idea if that will work!
[19:01] <jonah_> but at least it gives that a B for bootable label...
[19:07] <maserati> I'm having issues updating my server, not sure what to do - http://dpaste.com/0JFQG68   if anyone has time to take a look, ty
[19:08] <jge> hey guys, could someone confirm if ubuntu supports automatic daylight savings time when using NTPD?
[19:09] <thresh> ntpd is unrelated to daylight savings.  you need to have proper TZ file installed.
[19:10] <jrwren> jge: i can confirm.
[19:11] <sarnold> maserati: try again after an apt-get update?
[19:12] <maserati> sarnold: i did =[  same result
[19:15] <jge> jrwren: thanks
[19:15] <sarnold> maserati: hmm, I wonder if something changed that might require apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:15] <sarnold> maserati: it's been ages since I've seen this kind of thing.. If it were mine, I think I'd delete the package lists and packages from /var/cache/apt/ and maybe clear any apt proxies you might be using, too, re-do the apt-get update, then try the apt-get upgrade again
[19:16] <sarnold> maserati: another approach is to try to apt-get purge those two packages, making sure you don't actually delete the installed kernel packages, then try re-installing them..
[19:18] <maserati> sarnold: Just tried option 1 there, same thing. trying option 2
[21:04] <bernierunns> Anyone want to help a guy figure out what the errors I am getting mean?
[21:06] <teward> bernierunns: it always helps to just state what problems you're seeing and wait for someone to help
[21:06] <teward> rather than just ask if anyone wants to help
[21:06] <NegativeFlare_> heh
[21:08] <bernierunns> ok Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:08] <bernierunns>  linux-image-generic-lts-utopic
[21:09] <bernierunns> among five other errors
[21:20] <bernierunns> What can I do about missing partition tables? I get an error when I boot the server that I have missing partition tables and it then asks to skip the mount or fix manually.
[21:20] <bernierunns> I just skip it because i have no idea how to fix this issue.
[21:21] <rattking> if the partition table is suppose to be missing then you should remove that entry from /etc/fstab.. this will remove that prompt
[21:24] <bernierunns> OK, how do i display drive info so I can see whats going on with my drives? I'm fairly new to command line stuff.
[21:25] <rattking> 'blkid' 'cat /proc/partitions' and 'df' will give some ideas
[21:25] <bernierunns> ok, I'm checking that out now
[21:27] <rattking> but it should have complained about the missing device at boot
[21:27] <bernierunns> Could it be that I don't have an external drive configured to mount at boot?
[21:28] <thresh> huh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1505839
[21:29] <rattking> its more likely there is a external drive configured to mount at boot that is either not attached or has been formatted so the UUID doesnt match whats in /etc/fstab
[21:31] <bernierunns> OK, that makes sense, I can edit that info in vi right?
[21:31] <rattking> yes, with sudo or as root


[09:15] <rmg51> Morning
[11:56]  * InHisName still drifting
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:16] <InHisName> Morning to u 2, teddy-dbear
[12:17] <teddy-dbear> o/


[03:16] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek, Laney: Any volunteers for Nusakan tracking for Artful Alpha 1? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseTaskSignup (not urgent because the release is in a little less than a month, but I'd still like to get that squared away...)
[06:02] <infinity> tsimonq2: Ask stgraber first.  He usually does A1 if he's not travelling.
[06:35] <tash> any chance to get collectd version 5.5 on Trusty? Looks like Xenial has it, but Trusty doesn't.
[06:35] <tash> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=collectd
[09:40] <cjwatson> bdmurray: That query itself is fast enough (i.e. it returns the first batch in a reasonable time), but by iterating over the whole collection you're asking Launchpad to iterate over everything published to certain series since 2013-06-21, which is just a lot of data.  Why do you have to iterate over all of that every time?
[10:00]  * apw can vouch for the usefulness (in a performance sense) of caching with the created since thing
[10:02] <cjwatson> order_by_date=True helps a lot, but you still don't want to iterate over years of data.
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (zesty-proposed/main) [2.2.9-0ubuntu1 => 2.2.12-0ubuntu1~17.04.1] (ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[10:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (trusty-proposed/main) [2.2.9-0ubuntu1~14.04.1 => 2.2.12-0ubuntu1~14.04.1] (ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[10:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (yakkety-proposed/main) [2.2.9-0ubuntu1~16.10.1 => 2.2.12-0ubuntu1~16.10.1] (ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[10:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (xenial-proposed/main) [2.2.9-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 => 2.2.12-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[10:27] <sil2100> To anyone from the SRU team - could you please take a look at the new walinuxagent in the queues? ^
[10:28] <sil2100> apw: ^ would you have a moment to take a look at those? Those are kinda special (plain backports), so reviewing them usually is quite fast
[10:28]  * apw can shortly yes ...
[10:29] <sil2100> Thanks! :)
[10:34] <darkxst> apw, thanks!
[10:43] <apw> sil2100, it is reasonable to state that this daemon need to be kept up to date to keep it in step with the azure substrate, right ?
[10:48] <sil2100> apw: yeah
[10:48] <apw> sil2100, this seems to have a new systemd unit in it, i have not seen anything for upstart for trusty ?
[10:51] <sil2100> apw: you mean the init/arch/waagent.service addition?
[10:52] <apw> sil2100, lyeah
[10:52] <sil2100> apw: it's only for arch linux, it's not relevant for us - we have the .service file in init/ubuntu/ + we ship upstart configs through the packaging
[10:53] <apw> sil2100, ack thanks
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.2.12-0ubuntu1~17.04.1]
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (yakkety-proposed) [2.2.12-0ubuntu1~16.10.1]
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.2.12-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[10:56] <sil2100> apw: thank you!
[10:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (trusty-proposed) [2.2.12-0ubuntu1~14.04.1]
[10:58] <ogra_> * #ubuntu-devel :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[10:58] <ogra_> huh ?
[10:58] <ogra_> since when is that in place ?
[11:00] <Laney> spam attack the other day, maybe since then
[11:00] <ogra_> hmpf
[11:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (zesty-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu4 => <IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu4.1] (core)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (yakkety-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.2 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.3] (no packageset)
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (xenial-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu16 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu17] (no packageset)
[11:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected yubikey-piv-manager [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.0-1+ubuntu17.04.1]
[11:14] <apw> ^ duplicate in the queue, replaced by one with a bug number
[11:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zfs-linux [source] (zesty-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu4.1]
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zfs-linux [source] (yakkety-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.3]
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zfs-linux [source] (xenial-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu17]
[11:57] <slashd> Good day rbasak, could you please look at both packages waiting in the upload queue... #1 pkg: vlan releases: t/x/y/z (LP: #1573272) - The fix is in -proposed, but a regression has been found, and we re-upload a modified patch to fix it, so the current -proposed can be overwritten. #2 pkg: ebtables releases: t/x/y/z (LP :#1645324), upstream project is un-maintained in favour of nft. We submitted the patch to Debian, no
[11:57] <slashd> merge yet, but I talked with sil2100 which sponsor the patch in devel release and was okay for me to go ahead with the upload in stable releases.
[13:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-werkzeug (trusty-proposed/main) [0.9.4+dfsg-1.1ubuntu2 => 0.9.4+dfsg-1.1ubuntu2.1] (ubuntu-server)
[13:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-werkzeug (xenial-proposed/main) [0.10.4+dfsg1-1ubuntu1 => 0.10.4+dfsg1-1ubuntu1.1] (ubuntu-server)
[15:06] <Laney> autopkgtest queues are more or less empty - mass retrying the regressions
[15:06]  * apw nods
[15:07] <Laney> ohhh yeahhhh that's the stuff
[16:17] <bdmurray> cjwatson: While I don't have to that specific date I want to find out which packages have SRUs that are still phasing and that could be quite old e.g. trusty mugshot SRU from 947 days ago.
[16:18] <bdmurray> cjwatson: Is there some better way to find those packages or should I just be caching the ones still phasing?
[16:18] <cjwatson> hmmm
[16:21] <cjwatson> do file a bug against LP about this, but I think maybe we should extend Archive.getPublishedBinaries to let you query only the ones with non-None phased_update_percentage?
[16:21] <slangasek> SRU team have any opinions on LP: #1686183 and forward-copying to post-precise?  I think my intent had been to binary copy it forward since it's currently a trivial shell script, any objections?
[16:21] <cjwatson> you'd then have to aggregate those into source packages, but it would be a much smaller data set
[16:22] <bdmurray> I also think the complete query is faster if the release is trusty instead of xenial.
[16:22] <cjwatson> that seems backwards, but who knows - I doubt that will be a productive avenue of investigation TBH
[16:23] <cjwatson> an orders-of-magnitude reduction in the size of the data set is going to beat anything like that
[16:24] <bdmurray> Sure, I just think there might be another issue if trusty really is faster than xenial.
[16:25] <cjwatson> I'd expect the size of the xenial set to be smaller, but is that in fact the case?
[16:26] <cjwatson> also, xenial had one more architecture; that might make a difference
[16:26] <cjwatson> you have one bit where you're making per-binary queries
[16:27] <cjwatson> at least one that I immediately see
[16:27] <cjwatson>                     for allpb in archive.getPublishedBinaries(
[16:27] <cjwatson>                             exact_match=True, pocket='Updates',
[16:27] <cjwatson>                             binary_name=pbs[0].binary_package_name):
[16:27] <cjwatson>                         if allpb.distro_arch_series.distroseries == release:
[16:28] <cjwatson> you could optimise that by either (a) doing string manipulations on allpb.distro_arch_series_link so that you don't have to go to the webservice to fetch the contents of the link, or (b) keeping a local cache of distro_series objects and evaluating that yourself
[16:28] <cjwatson> I think this is a bit of a gotcha in lazr.restfulclient
[16:30] <bdmurray> cjwatson: Thanks, I'll have a look at that and file the LP bug you suggested.
[16:31] <cjwatson> yep, quick local test says that the chunk of code above is actually two webservice GETs per binary
[16:31] <cjwatson> so fixing that will make a big difference
[16:32] <cjwatson> (one for the distroarchseries, one for the distroseries)
[16:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected lxd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.0.10-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.13-0ubuntu3~ubuntu16.04.1 => 2.0.10-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-server)
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nplan (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.21~16.04.1 => 0.22~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: chrome-gnome-shell (xenial-proposed/universe) [9-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.2 => 9-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04.3] (no packageset)
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: chrome-gnome-shell (yakkety-proposed/universe) [9-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10 => 9-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[20:09] <jbicha> any SRU Team member have time to look at those chrome-gnome-shell updates? ^ it fixes a regression-proposed
[20:46]  * valorie goes outside
[21:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nplan (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.12 => 0.22~16.10.1] (no packageset)
[21:10] <tsimonq2> stgraber: Hey there :)
[21:11] <tsimonq2> stgraber: Are you able to help with Nusakan for Alpha 1?
[21:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nplan (zesty-proposed/main) [0.20 => 0.22~17.04.1] (core)
[21:12] <stgraber> tsimonq2: know the dates?
[21:13] <tsimonq2> stgraber: June 29th is that Thursday
[21:15] <stgraber> tsimonq2: yeah, I'll take care of the nusakan bits, not travelling that week
[21:16] <tsimonq2> stgraber: Ok, want to add yourself to the ReleaseTaskSignup page or do you want me to?
[21:16] <stgraber> I'll do it
[21:17] <tsimonq2> Ok
[21:32] <nacc> infinity: how do deletions from debian get propogated to ubuntu? src:php-arc was being held in ubuntu (it's been deleted in Debian), because it was removed without fixing its revdeps there. I fixed the revdeps in ubuntu in artful, and now src:php-arc has none and can be removed.
[21:34] <jbicha> nacc: if a package has Ubuntu-specific changes, it's a lot more difficult for it to be noticed
[21:34] <jbicha> you can file a removal bug when you find those and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[21:34] <nacc> jbicha: yes, i understand
[21:35] <jbicha> those bugs are usually reviewed at least once near the end of the release cycle
[21:36] <nacc> jbicha: ack, thanks


[11:43] <notlikethesoup> morning
[12:45] <rick_h> Morn
[13:03] <jrwren> good morning
[13:08] <Scary_Guy> good morning
[13:14] <jrwren> Any NextCloud users?
[13:18] <rick_h> No, not poked at it.
[13:18] <jrwren> nor I. I've been putting it off, but I think I may like it. I just don't know.
[13:23] <Scary_Guy> I'm lazy but interested
[14:29] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:29] <cmaloney> Not played with it at all
[18:33] <rick_h> greg-g: I just choked listening to that tweet you just RT
[18:34] <rick_h> greg-g: gah! makes me so mad. "Unemployment is soooo low yay us!" at the same time as "the problem is all these people that haven't worked in 3 generations"
[18:34] <rick_h> I don't get how you can possibly have it both ways
[18:35] <greg-g> :)
[18:35] <greg-g> I thought I made you choke up with my Rowan tweet ;)
[18:36] <greg-g> he was sooo excited! Glad we waited as long as we did to do this. He wasn't really ready before (might have been fine, but definitely more tears)
[18:36] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, that's exciting stuff
[18:36] <rick_h> greg-g: we had first day of school yesterday so was fun to have him come home and tell us about his day
[18:36] <rick_h> growing up so damn fast
[18:37] <rick_h> greg-g: how old is he now?
[18:39] <greg-g> 5.5
[18:39] <rick_h> nice
[18:39] <rick_h> yea, I was glad Michael was a late starter with his Dec b-day
[18:39] <rick_h> always good for the little ones to have that extra time before hand
[18:42] <greg-g> oh totally. Dec 11th for Rowan :)
[18:44] <rick_h> greg-g: oh, I missed they were Dec buddies.
[18:45] <greg-g> (me too actually ;) )
[20:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, I was an early start with the Sept. birthday, so I was always the runt of the class.
[20:12] <cmaloney> and look how I turned out? :)
[20:12] <cmaloney> Unemployment figures are bullshit
[20:13] <cmaloney> They're a number that they have an incentive to keep low
[20:17] <jrwren> aug birthday. runt of class ehre.
[20:17] <jrwren> plus I was always small
[20:19] <cmaloney> Yeah, I started elementary when I was 6
[20:19] <cmaloney> 1st grade: 6, 2nd grade 7
[20:19] <cmaloney> etc.
[20:27] <jrwren> no K?
[20:27] <cmaloney> I did preschool and kindergarten at a different place (Justin preschool / Kindergarten)