[07:44] <david3> hi i need some help with the launchpad site, is this the correct channel to ask?
[07:44] <david3> or can somebody help me anyway?
[08:30] <david3> hi i need some help with the launchpad site, is this the correct channel to ask?
[08:54] <brendand> david3, maybe
[08:55] <brendand> david3, depends on the question
[11:30] <david3> well, i wanted to subscribe to a bug, but i clicked on the wrong button (set information type to: Public -> Public Security), i immediately undid my changes, but the log of the change is still in the description. Can i somehow remove my changes from the log?
[11:43] <brendand> david3, no - and why would you want to?


[05:14] <CIA-93> ubiquity: evand * r3590 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Include a progress message for ubiquity/success_command.
[06:26] <CIA-93> ubiquity: evand * r3591 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[06:26] <CIA-93> ubiquity: Do not use the preseeded install progress message as the install
[06:26] <CIA-93> ubiquity: window title. Use a more understandable string.
[16:08] <corp186> I want to do some development on d-i in ubuntu, but I'm getting really confused on how to do so
[16:08] <corp186> obviously the installer is a complex system of multiple packages
[16:09] <corp186> so how do I even start development?
[16:09] <corp186> do I take a release iso, decompose it, and replace parts that I've developed?
[16:10] <corp186> unfortunately, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development?action=show&redirect=InstallerDevelopment doesn't really go over how to get set up for installer development...
[20:14] <CIA-93> ubiquity: evand * r3592 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules):
[20:14] <CIA-93> ubiquity: Check the syntax of any shell scripts in the source tree as part of
[20:14] <CIA-93> ubiquity: debian/rules check.


[00:25] <thumper> davecheney: you around?
[00:25] <thumper> davecheney: I'd like you to join waigani and me in a hangout
[00:25] <thumper> to debug this channel problem
[00:30] <davecheney> thumper: on the phone
[00:30] <davecheney> do you have a working code sample ?
[00:31] <thumper> davecheney: we have a non-working code sample
[00:33] <davecheney> thumper: still OTP
[00:33] <davecheney> can you show me the code ?
[00:38] <davecheney> thumper: ok, off da phone
[01:10] <davecheney> waigani: var timeout chan something // can't remember
[01:10] <davecheney> if req.timeout != [
[01:10] <davecheney>  timeout = time.After(timeout)
[01:10] <davecheney> }
[01:10] <davecheney> select {
[01:11] <davecheney> case <- timeout: // will only be selectable if timeout != nil
[01:15] <davecheney> waigani: thumper http://play.golang.org/p/PKlJ1dMvvM
[01:17] <axw> anastasiamac: hiya. do you want to have a hangout? not much to talk about yet... :)
[01:17] <anastasiamac> axw: happy new year!
[01:18] <anastasiamac> axw: m actually still on holiday today ;(
[01:18] <axw> anastasiamac: ah, no worries. get out of here ;)
[01:18] <anastasiamac> axw: u r holding our tanzanite fort!
[01:18] <axw> happy new year to you too
[01:18] <anastasiamac> axw: thnx :) talk tomorrow!
[01:19] <perrito666> nites, happy new year to all
[01:19] <perrito666> anybody seen walyworld?
[01:19] <anastasiamac> perrito666: u2!!! :)
[01:19] <anastasiamac> perrito666: someone wished me a Happy New 2005! I was so happy for a while :)
[01:20] <anastasiamac> perrito666: wallyworld caming today (still on holidays) - back tomorrow
[01:20] <anastasiamac> perrito666: camping even
[01:20] <perrito666> ah ok, then Ill see him tomorrow afternoon for me, I am actually on holiday too, its sunday night here
[01:21] <anastasiamac> perrito666: have a gr8 sunday before work :)
[01:21] <waigani> davecheney: thanks for the help and notes. I've jotted them down for the new branch.
[01:21] <perrito666> anastasiamac: tx, although there are only 1.5 hs left to my sunday
[01:24] <thumper> anastasiamac: wallyworld camps all the time ;-)
[01:24] <thumper> anastasiamac: and if you are on holiday, what are you doing here?
[01:29] <perrito666> ok fun ppl, see you all tomorrow
[01:29] <perrito666> tadaa
[02:09] <davecheney> waigani: np
[03:49] <jam> happy new year everyone!
[03:50] <wwitzel3> jam: happy new year :)
[03:53] <jam> wwitzel3: and to you, though why are you sitting in Juju-dev at Sunday Midnight ?
[04:04] <wwitzel3> jam: just lurking
[04:36] <thumper> o/
[04:36] <thumper> happy new year to you both
[04:36]  * thumper is done for the day
[04:37] <jam> same to you thumper, have a good evening
[04:37] <thumper> ciao
[06:19] <dimitern> morning folks!
[06:24] <jam> morning dimitern
[06:29] <dimitern> hey jam
[08:12] <TheMue> morning
[08:52] <dimitern> TheMue, morning
[08:54] <TheMue> dimitern: heya, and a happy new year.
[08:54] <dimitern> TheMue, thanks! and cheers to you too ;)
[09:10] <voidspace> morning all, happy new year
[09:24] <voidspace> fwereade: o/ morning, happy new year
[10:00] <dimitern> voidspace, fwereade, hey, morning and happy NY as well ;)
[10:00] <voidspace> dimitern: morning
[10:01] <fwereade> dimitern, voidspace: happy new years!
[11:12] <perrito666> good morning everyone and happy new year to those I didn't see since last year
[13:05] <voidspace> ooh, maas update worked flawlessly
[13:05] <voidspace> perrito666: morning, happy new year
[13:06] <perrito666> voidspace: dont sound so surprised :p
[13:06] <voidspace> perrito666: I know about computers
[13:06] <voidspace> perrito666: I'm constantly surprised that anything works at all
[14:19] <katco>  happy new year all!
[14:20] <perrito666> idem katco
[14:20] <katco> perrito666: i'm not familiar with that acronym :p
[14:21] <perrito666> lol, sorry that is latin I think, its the word used in spanish for likewise or ditto
[14:21] <katco> perrito666: ah ok :)
[14:22] <katco> perrito666: perhaps as in "idempotent"
[14:22] <dimitern> katco, perrito666, hey ;) happy NY and welcome back
[14:22] <perrito666> idem means equals iirc, and in spanish, to say likewise we use a word which roughly translates to equally
[14:23] <katco> dimitern: same to you! welcome back!
[14:23] <perrito666> dimitern: hey happy new york to you too :p
[14:23] <dimitern> thanks!
[14:23] <dimitern> katco, btw if you haven't tried goflymake in emacs (with flycheck or flymake) it's *awesome* - syntax checking on the fly running go build in the background
[14:24] <katco> dimitern: yes, i run it :)
[14:24] <dimitern> katco, :) nice! - I wasn't sure it brings a lot, but now I really like it
[14:24] <katco> dimitern: yeah, i like it too
[15:01] <perrito666> wwitzel3: ericsnow getting there, for some reason my connection to plus.google.com is not working
[15:07] <voidspace> dimitern: so, it's worse
[15:07] <voidspace> dimitern: we need to list the nodegroups and then list the interfaces for all groups
[15:07] <dimitern> voidspace, oh what's that?
[15:07] <voidspace> dimitern: it's only *marginally* worse
[15:07] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah :/
[15:07] <voidspace> dimitern: it's n calls instead of one
[15:08] <voidspace> dimitern: and the interfaces call doesn't have the cidr
[15:08] <voidspace> dimitern: I can *construct* a CIDR I think
[15:08] <dimitern> voidspace, worthy of a maas bug
[15:08] <voidspace> dimitern: but the output isn't immediately compatible with SubnetInfo
[15:08] <voidspace> dimitern: I have a bug, I can add to it
[15:08] <dimitern> voidspace, it has static ip range high and low, right?
[15:09] <voidspace> dimitern: yep
[15:10] <voidspace> dimitern: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9677036/
[15:11] <dimitern> voidspace, why do you need a cidr?
[15:11] <dimitern> voidspace, ah, to match yeah
[15:12] <dimitern> voidspace, well it should be trivial to construct one from "ip" + "subnet_mask"
[15:13] <voidspace> dimitern: nodegroups-interface doesn't have vlan tag either
[15:13] <voidspace> dimitern: and the provider id will be the nodegroups-interface id not the network id (I assume)
[15:14] <voidspace> dimitern: unless a nodegroup interface and a network are the same thing
[15:14] <voidspace> which is unclear to me
[15:15] <voidspace> dimitern: they're slightly different (and the names are different) based on the maas cli here
[15:15] <voidspace> the nodegroup-interface has the name "eth0" whereas the network has the name "maas-eth0"
[15:15] <dimitern> voidspace, nope - afaik interfaces and networks are different entities in the maas db
[15:16] <voidspace> which worries me slightly - does it *matter* which we use
[15:16] <voidspace> I would expect it to matter
[15:16] <dimitern> voidspace, so to get enough to fill in SubnetInfo you'll need to use both the network config and the interfaces
[15:17] <dimitern> voidspace, for juju, the subnet's provider id is the maas network name
[15:17] <voidspace> dimitern: right but they have different names *etc*
[15:17] <voidspace> so matching them up is hard
[15:17] <voidspace> in my local maas the network has ip <IP_ADDRESS>, whereas the nodegroup interface has the ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:17] <dimitern> voidspace, istm you can only match them if the network's cidr and the interface's generated cidr are the same
[15:18] <dimitern> voidspace, that's the same - 172.16.0.x masked with <IP_ADDRESS> yields <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <voidspace> yep, the netmask is the same
[15:18] <voidspace> so they are actually the same
[15:18] <voidspace> I just have to construct the cidr correctly
[15:18] <voidspace> ok
[15:18] <voidspace> dimitern: thanks
[15:19] <voidspace> dimitern: so, we could still take an instance id and only pair up networks from the filtered list with nodegroup interfaces
[15:19] <voidspace> as we'll still need the call to the networks api
[15:19] <dimitern> voidspace, let me think for a bit..
[15:20] <dimitern> voidspace, consider having *a lot* of networks, but a given node only uses a few
[15:20] <voidspace> then having a filtered list is useful
[15:20] <dimitern> voidspace, it seems reasonable to filter by instance id, if possible to only get the relevant networks
[15:20] <voidspace> yep
[15:21] <voidspace> dimitern: cool, I'll undo that change then...
[15:21] <dimitern> voidspace, cheers, and sorry for the round-tripping :
[15:21] <dimitern> :)
[15:22] <voidspace> :-)
[16:06] <alexisb> cherylj, welcome!
[16:06] <alexisb> all cherylj just joined the Juju Core team
[16:07] <perrito666> well wellcome to all cherylj
[16:07] <jw4> cherylj: welcome!!
[16:07] <ericsnow> cherylj: congrats and welcome!
[16:07] <cherylj> thanks everyone :)
[16:07] <cherylj> I'm super-psyched to be part of the team
[16:13] <TheMue> cherylj: heya and welcome to the team from Germany too
[16:14]  * perrito666 got some browser to work properly after only 2 months
[16:14] <cherylj> thanks, TheMue
[16:16] <alexisb> I have to day it is oddly quiet in this channel today :)
[16:16] <perrito666> alexisb: it is a big machinery it takes a bit to get it rolling again
[16:17] <alexisb> perrito666, heh :)
[16:21] <voidspace> g'night all
[16:21] <voidspace> off to see Phantom of the Opera
[17:32] <katco> cherylj: welcome to the team, cherylj :)
[17:37] <cherylj> thanks, katco :)
[17:55] <jog> cherylj, welcome!
[17:56] <katco> cherylj: btw if you have any questions about go or otherwise, feel free to ask here or ping me personally. i promised thumper i would help however i could! :)
[18:21] <cherylj> Hey jog, long time no see ;)
[18:22] <cherylj> And thanks, katco.  I'm still making my way through the New Starter Tasks and discovering all the things that I still don't have access to
[18:22] <katco> cherylj: fun times :)
[18:25] <perrito666> cherylj: katco think of it as a videogame, then we can all get together at a sprint and remember: "how did you beat the level where the dragon blocks the pop3 mail access?"
[18:25] <katco> perrito666: haha
[18:25] <katco> perrito666: how many lives do we get, and are we on easy mode or hard mode?
[18:26] <perrito666> katco: good question, I don't intend to find it
[18:26] <perrito666> :p
[18:26] <katco> hehehe
[18:26] <perrito666> I still recall that level where my phone holding 2fa died on me 14k km away from home
[18:27] <katco> that is the stuff of nightmares
[18:28] <perrito666> and I was using a brand new os, which held none of my login cookies
[18:28]  * perrito666 lights a candle to IS
[18:28] <katco> lol
[18:29] <sinzui> katco, perrito666 : I don't see many Core on line...do either of you have time to look into bug 1407699
[18:29] <mup> Bug #1407699: Precise services cannot be deployed <ci> <deploy> <precise> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1407699>
[18:30] <sinzui> katco, perrito666 I need to capture some logs from a machine 1 or 2 to get more information
[18:32] <perrito666> mmm I have seen this before
[18:34] <perrito666> sinzui: Ill take it
[18:34] <katco> i've seen it stuck in pending before, but i'm not sure if it's for the same reason
[18:35] <perrito666> I have seen the particular error in functional ha backup and restore
[18:35] <perrito666> it is a bit more detailed since it breaks while trying to fetch a given file
[18:38] <perrito666> sinzui: precise-dummy charm is publicly available?
[18:38] <sinzui> perrito666, yes., but it happens with the precise ubuntu charm too
[18:39] <perrito666> sinzui: I am trying to make sure Ill try to correct incantation, Ill check the config for the test env
[18:39] <sinzui> perrito666, https://code.launchpad.net/~juju-qa/juju-ci-tools/repository is the charm repo used in tests.
[18:45]  * perrito666 pulls master for the second time this day and gets updates... isn't merge blocked?
[18:46] <sinzui> perrito666, its a cloud-init issue
[18:47] <sinzui> perrito666, I will attach the logs to the bug
[18:51] <jog> sinzui, I'm also seeing '/bin/sh: 1: exec: cloud-init: not found' at the console for the maas nodes that were deployed for precise charms
[18:51] <sinzui> perrito666, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1407699 looks like failure in packages
[18:51] <mup> Bug #1407699: Precise services cannot be deployed <ci> <deploy> <precise> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by hduran-8> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1407699>
[18:52] <sinzui> jog I expect the maas tests to be using trusty as the tests claim. Are they?
[18:54] <jog> sinzui, bootstrap node is trusty but the dummy-source and dummy-sink are precise
[18:54] <sinzui> jog, that is odd, I know we can do that, but we usually make them match. Anyway. we know know all testfailures match for br 2195
[19:58] <thumper> cherylj: welcome
[19:59] <cherylj> thumper:  thanks!
[20:01] <thumper> cherylj: do you have hangouts set up?
[20:01] <thumper> cherylj: ISTR that you do
[20:44] <thumper> perrito666: how goes the looking at the critical bug?
[20:44] <thumper> perrito666: it smells like a missing package...
[20:49] <perrito666> thumper: almost sure its a missing package
[20:49] <perrito666> trying to get to know a bit more of cloudinit to know what is going on
[20:49] <thumper> perrito666: have you poked the cloudinit folks?
[20:49] <thumper> smoser I think
[20:59] <perrito666> sinzui: if this ends up being a "third party" issue, how is it handled? I am guessing it trascends just saying "not our problem", just open a bug to the right people?
[21:06] <waigani> menn0: did you get hit by another quake? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/64684438/large-earthquake-jolts-canterbury-awake
[21:07] <menn0> waigani: yep we did. it didn't feel too bad but was quite different to the other little jolts i've felt while i've been here
[21:07] <sinzui> perrito666, use "Also affects project"
[21:07] <menn0> waigani: it went on for quite a while and left the lights in hallway swinging for ages
[21:07] <sinzui> perrito666, also, why isn't older juju affected, or trusty?
[21:08] <waigani> menn0: yikes, glad you're all okay
[21:08] <thumper> sinzui: older juju passes fine on precise?
[21:09] <thumper> sinzui: I have just been reading the cloud-init log
[21:09] <sinzui> thumper, yep, every upgrade test used 1.20.x to boostrap the same stack
[21:09] <waigani> menn0: I now have an image of you unicycling in an earthquake
[21:09] <thumper> sinzui: hmm...
[21:10] <thumper> sinzui: can we get the actual cloud init file off the machines?
[21:10] <thumper> sinzui: and compare the 1.20 cloudinit file with the 1.22-alpha?
[21:10] <sinzui> thumper, the cloud-init-output.log?
[21:10] <thumper> no, the source
[21:11]  * thumper looks for the location
[21:12] <thumper> sinzui: so.. bootstrapping works on precise but adding machines doesn't?
[21:12] <thumper> sinzui: is that right?
[21:13] <sinzui> thumper, yep
[21:14] <thumper> sinzui: ok, unlikely to be an actual cloud init problem then...
[21:16] <sinzui> thumper, the log I attached to the bug shows that cloud-init was removed during the upgrade and install steps...should it have been?
[21:17] <thumper> I don't know
[21:17]  * thumper pokes locally
[21:17] <thumper> sinzui: local precise fails too right>?
[21:18] <sinzui> thumper, 1.20.14 and 1.21-beta4 can deploy precise services fine. I have a precise machine deployed by 1.21-beta4. What do you want?
[21:18] <sinzui> well I can get the cloud-init-output.log and see if cloud-init was removed
[21:18] <thumper> sinzui: I'm looking...
[21:18] <thumper> sinzui: that would be helpful
[21:20]  * perrito666 has a broken machine
[21:22] <thumper> hmm...
[21:23] <thumper> my local juju deployed precise just fine using local
[21:24] <thumper> sinzui: looking at this failure: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/local-deploy-precise-amd64/2275/
[21:24] <thumper> sinzui: the cloud-init log isn't - it is a juju log file
[21:25] <sinzui> thumper, that isn't the bug :)
[21:25] <sinzui> thumper, I attached the cloud-init-output.log to the bug
[21:26] <thumper> however it is still an issue
[21:26] <thumper> I was looking at the local deploy failure because my one worked
[21:26] <sinzui> thedac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1407699/comments/2
[21:26] <mup> Bug #1407699: Precise services cannot be deployed <ci> <deploy> <precise> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by hduran-8> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1407699>
[21:27] <perrito666> :| ls: cannot access /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/cloudinit/: No such file or directory
[21:28] <sinzui> perrito666, right the log shows cloud-init was uninstalled
[21:28] <thumper> perrito666: it removed cloud init...
[21:28] <thumper> which seems weird
[21:28] <thumper> right?
[21:28] <sinzui> thumper, my deploy of precise/ubuntu with 1.21-beta4 is much shorter.  it doesn't go into a phase to remove anything
[21:28] <menn0> thumper: but your machine-0 is still trusty right? or do you have a precise machine/VM too?
[21:28] <thumper> menn0: I deployed precise/ubuntu to a machine
[21:28] <thumper> to get a precise lxc started
[21:29] <thumper> and it worked fine
[21:29] <thumper> although, this is from a pre-christmas trunk
[21:29]  * thumper switches to master and rebuilds
[21:29] <menn0> thumper: so we think it's a problem with any precise machine, even if other machines are on trusty?
[21:30] <thumper> I'm looking
[21:30] <thumper> sinzui: that cloud init file, was that from an lxc machine or a clout machine?
[21:30] <perrito666> I deployed a just compiled version and created a stream and deployed to aws and it broke straight forward
[21:31] <sinzui> thumper, machine 1 and machine 2 (both lxc in the case of local provider) had their cloud-init packages removed
[21:31] <sinzui> I didn't post machine2 since the log is almost identical
[21:32] <perrito666> I found it
[21:32] <thumper> perrito666: yes?
[21:32] <perrito666> cloud-image-utils is being installed
[21:32] <sinzui> thumper, this looks the the key events. we see cloud-init being upgraded, some deferment, then something decides to do another round of upgrades that removes cloud-init http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9678855/
[21:32] <perrito666> it replaces cloud-utils
[21:32] <perrito666> cloud-init deppends on cloud-utils
[21:32] <perrito666> and therefore gets whacked
[21:33] <thumper> and we are getting cloud-image-utils because?
[21:33] <thumper> I wonder if that was added recently
[21:34] <perrito666> thumper: seems to be part of an upgrade?
[21:35] <perrito666> cloud init gets upgraded
[21:36] <thumper> perrito666: I see in our code we explicitly install it
[21:36] <perrito666> thumper: oh?
[21:36] <thumper> why oh why doesn't git have a nice history viewer like bzr explorer
[21:37] <thumper> is there a nice git equivalent of 'bzr qannotate' ?
[21:37] <perrito666> it was part of Ians fix before the shutdown seems
[21:37] <menn0> yep, 15th December
[21:37] <thumper> perrito666: got a PR?
[21:38] <perrito666> https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/e6cf44d0
[21:38] <perrito666> got a commit
[21:39] <thumper> perrito666: well, he is due to start his work year shortly, so I say we ask him "-)
[21:39] <thumper> wallyworld_: oi... you broke CI :-)
[21:39] <thumper> wallyworld_: welcome back to work
[21:40] <wallyworld_> thumper: hi, i have a branch which i proposed before the break which fixes it if it is the issue i am thinking of
[21:40] <perrito666> that sounds awfully like my car's mechanic: "oi, remember when you fixed the GNC injector, you broke the fuel pump"
[21:40] <wallyworld_> i am ina meeting, will talk to you soon
[21:40] <menn0> thumper, perrito666, wallyworld_: it's PR 1205
[21:40] <thumper> wallyworld_: for reference, https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/e6cf44d0 introduced the package cloud-image-utils, which breaks precise deployments
[21:41] <perrito666> and as menn0 said, it is https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/1205
[21:42] <perrito666> lemme make that into an assigned issue :)
[21:45] <perrito666> wallyworld_: left you a nice comment and assigned you to the bug, cheers
[21:45] <perrito666> happy new year :p
[21:45] <wallyworld_> perrito666: thanks, will look after meeting
[21:45] <wallyworld_> you too
[21:52]  * perrito666 wonders why he set up is office in such a manner that he needs to pick one of Air Conditioning or Big screen for the computer
[21:53] <thumper> cherylj: got time for a chat?
[21:53] <cherylj> thumper:  yes, ready whenever you are
[22:30] <wallyworld_> thumper: just finished meeting, reading backscroll, cloud-image-utils is needed to pull in ubuntu-cloudimg-query
[22:31] <thumper> wallyworld_: otp
[22:31] <wallyworld_> ok
[22:31] <perrito666> wallyworld_: I am guessing this might be an issue on cloud-init package dependencies in precise?
[22:31] <wallyworld_> perrito666: yeah, sadly, seems like a precise only issue
[22:32] <waigani> davecheney: creating a new watcher for each assert in the test works.
[22:32] <wallyworld_> perrito666: i'll have to figure out the magic sauce needed to make precise work
[22:32] <waigani> davecheney: I had to set the revno of each new watcher to the revno of the last watcher, as it gets updated if there was a change
[22:33] <alexisb> wallyworld_, do you think we will need to make a request to the cloud-init team?
[22:33] <alexisb> if so I will give gaughen a heads up
[22:33] <wallyworld_> alexisb: hey. not sure yet, i'll do some more digging first
[22:33] <perrito666> wallyworld_: I haven't looked at the other distros but cloud-init should deppend on a virtual (i cant recall the actual name) package satisfied by both utils and image-utils
[22:34] <alexisb> wallyworld_, ack, o and I guess I should say welcome back :)
[22:34] <wallyworld_> yeah,you too
[22:34] <waigani> davecheney: my implementation of updating the revno for each watcher feels ugly, so I might poke you once the branch is up for review to see if there is a neater way
[22:35] <perrito666> wallyworld_: ok a bit of extra info, in utopic it deppends on cloud-utils or cloud-guest-utils
[22:35] <perrito666> guest-utils is pulled by cloud-image-utils
[22:36] <perrito666> thus satisfying the dependency
[22:36] <wallyworld_> perrito666: when you run ubuntu-cloudimg-query, it twlls you to install cloud-image-utils, so that's why i added that dependency
[22:36] <perrito666> wallyworld_: this seems to be only broken on precise
[22:37] <wallyworld_> yes, that is my fear
[22:37] <perrito666> you need to have cloud-init 0.7.6~bzr1022-0ubuntu1 available it would seem
[22:37] <perrito666> to met the dependency
[22:38] <perrito666> given the metadata on all three packages you need to get a hold of scott moser
[22:38] <wallyworld_> i recall cloud-init being updated recently
[22:39] <alexisb> wallyworld_, smoser is on #server
[22:40] <wallyworld_> ok, thanks
[22:59] <perrito666> ok, eod people, see you all tomorrow
[23:23] <menn0> thumper: can you PTAL at this PR from yesterday? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/672/
[23:27] <menn0> thumper: also, you were asking about a git equivalent to bzr qannotate earlier
[23:27] <menn0> thumper: if your editor doesn't support such a think then have a look at "git gui blame <path>"
[23:28] <menn0> s/think/thing/
[23:33] <thumper> menn0: does that allow you to walk back through history?
[23:33] <menn0> thumper: I believe so. you can click on a rev for a line. I haven't used it much.
[23:35] <thumper> menn0: I don't think I'm using any sublime git plugins


[03:48] <DPic> hi, i'm here now
[03:48] <Takyoji> Oh, hello
[03:49] <Takyoji> So you're about a year older or so than myself? :P
[03:50] <Takyoji> But anyway, with that aside; I would certainly be willing to assist with marketing Ubuntu
[03:50] <Takyoji> So I take it there isn't any current project at hand, correct?
[03:51] <Takyoji> (I am 17 years of age currently by the way)
[03:54] <DPic> that depends on how old you are
[03:54] <DPic> whoops
[03:54] <DPic> nope, same age
[03:55] <Takyoji> Ahh, interesting
[03:55] <DPic> anyways, there *is* a marketing team for ubuntu
[03:55] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[03:56] <Takyoji> Yes, I know of the page and so forth
[03:56] <DPic> oh oops
[03:56] <Takyoji> I believe it's how I came across this channel
[03:56] <DPic> sorry, i thought ti was #ubuntu-us
[03:56] <DPic> this*
[03:56] <Takyoji> Oh, that's fine
[03:56] <Takyoji> Too many channels open? :P
[03:57] <DPic> haha, only 3, i'm just really out of it apparently
[03:57] <Takyoji> Otherwise I just need to write up a resume eventually. xP
[03:57] <Takyoji> Ahh. Same, I'm on 3 on Freenode, 4 (2 of which are pretty much dead) on an IRC server I help with a little
[03:58] <DPic> mm, in response to the conversation before i got back, i'm not technically the team leader
[03:58] <DPic> i came in a while ago and got heavily involved and re-wrote the entire wiki
[03:58] <Takyoji> Overall, I'm currently paid to do web development and design. ENTIRELY self taught. Very fluent in PHP, HTML/XHTML, CSS. Would like to poke more into AJAX/Comet (continued)
[03:58] <Takyoji> Ahh
[03:59] <Takyoji> Although, the official team leader isn't really around anymore, correct?
[03:59] <DPic> that's my understanding but i might be wrong
[03:59] <DPic> don't want to step on anyone's toes
[04:00] <DPic> the team seems to be very loosely-knit and every once in a while good discussion will come up about how to make things happen
[04:00] <DPic> but nothing seems to ever come to be
[04:00] <Takyoji> (continuing my bragging, :P ). I'm also a photographer; I have my own Nikon D50 with different lenses and filters. Self-taught there as well. I also do a little graphic design; very familiar with Photoshop CS2, but just can't jump to The GIMP until it at least supports folder for layers.
[04:01] <DPic> nice, nice
[04:01] <Takyoji> One thing I think would be a nice thing is also: try to market the Ubuntu marketing team a little. :P
[04:01] <Takyoji> My reasoning: we just need more people to jump in as well perhaps
[04:01] <DPic> yeah
[04:01] <DPic> well, we need a defined purpose and scope
[04:01] <Takyoji> Ahh
[04:01] <DPic> and then we need to put together a game plan
[04:02] <DPic> right now
[04:02] <Takyoji> True
[04:02] <DPic> what i tried to do
[04:02] <DPic> was make the marketing team a central resource for ubuntu materials
[04:02] <DPic> a sort of marketing commons for all LoCo's and individuals to contribute and take from
[04:03] <Takyoji> However most of the LoCo teams are just divided from this marketing team, correct?
[04:04] <DPic> yes
[04:05] <Takyoji> And you hopefully intend to set goal(s)/focus for this group, THEN try to go about and make other LoCo groups consider on helping with and obtaining materials from this effort as well, right?
[04:05] <Takyoji> Generally asking: what's the order of tasks to complete in order to bring this hopefully back to life?
[04:06] <DPic> well, the goals/focus of the group might be fine, but i was just saying it's important to make sure of that before going ahead
[04:06] <DPic> well, set the goals/focus of the group, market the group, perhaps assign certain people to be dedicated certain tasks
[04:06] <DPic> i can try to dig p old conversation on the mailing list about it
[04:07] <Takyoji> Because part of the reason I even considered on helping with the marketing team is that I noticed there weren't resources that I could directly find that would describe to people what certain things are (open source vs closed source, distributions, etc)
[04:07] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:09] <JanC> Takyoji: why not use one of the tools that were actually made for working with photographs instead of the GIMP?  ;)
[04:09] <Takyoji> With all this aside, another thing I've noticed is that nobody submits themes or anything Linux-related to deviantART even though there's a whole list of categories for such things
[04:10] <JanC> Takyoji: some people really do
[04:10] <JanC> but I guess most of the theme authors don't even know deviantart
[04:10] <Takyoji> I even reported to deviantART about a bug with a certain category that was sitting there for like months if I remember correctly
[04:10] <Takyoji> Perhaps
[04:11] <Takyoji> Another thing annoys me about gnome-look.org and so on is that there's really no regulation to submissions. Some themes won't be packaged properly, then you have to go through a stress of doing something else, etc.
[04:11] <Takyoji> But anyway, I'm digressing
[04:11] <Takyoji> I just haven't found a reasonable open source application that I can do things like web design and so forth within
[04:11] <JanC> Takyoji: what do you need for photo-editing?
[04:12] <Takyoji> I can use The GIMP just fine for image editing. I just need something as described above
[04:13] <JanC> there are applications like RawStudio & RawTherapee & such, duno if that's useful...
[04:13] <Takyoji> I've actually used Rawstudio
[04:14] <Takyoji> All the GIMP needs is layer support and a few other minor things and I'd be a happy camper. xP
[04:14] <Takyoji> I mean, support for folders for layers
[04:15] <Takyoji> And it was submitted in The GIMP Brainstorm blog like several times I believe. And then there was also Hackontest, where a contestant said they'd add folder support, yet I haven't heard anything about it thereafter. And so on
[04:15] <Takyoji> It's just such a necessary organizational feature
[04:16] <Takyoji> It's practically the only thing holding me back! xP
[04:17] <Takyoji> And a handy thing would be procedural filters, or whatever the proper term is.
[04:17] <Takyoji> And that also was submitted by people on the brainstorm blog numerous of times
[04:17] <Takyoji> Does anyone even now what the current direction of the development of The GIMP is, or has it died down?
[04:18] <Takyoji> even know*
[04:18] <JanC> heh, latest GIMP has the first GEGL stuff included (for some plugins)
[04:18] <DPic> no idea, here probably isn't the best place to ask
[04:18] <Takyoji> Well, true
[04:18] <JanC> in future all of GIMP should be based on the GEGL library
[04:19] <Takyoji> I think I read of that, but I can't recall what GEGL is
[04:19] <Takyoji> An image manipulation library that's quick and efficient, or?
[04:19] <JanC> yes, that summarizes it
[04:19] <Takyoji> Ahh, that should be quite helpful
[04:19] <JanC> specifically written for interactive applications too
[04:19] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:20] <Takyoji> in contrary to some CLI-based program that edits images in a batch or something, correct?
[04:21] <JanC> I think it can be used for those too
[04:21] <JanC> but they wrote it for the GIMP, so they knew interactive use was a requirement
[04:22] <JanC> http://www.rawtherapee.com/ & http://bibblelabs.com are also linux applications for photographers
[04:24] <JanC> (not open source, though the first is gratis)
[04:24] <Takyoji> I'm also curious of poking around at HDR imagery eventually; I believe I've looked around at some of the programs before, but never really poked at the programs in depth
[04:26] <Takyoji> But hey, I would be willing to do any type of stock photography and of you would need
[04:26] <Takyoji> any of you would need*
[04:28] <Takyoji> As for a supposedly "showcase" website, you can view http://aquaeden.com/ Did the design (would like to redo it eventually), wrote the PHP (would like to rewrite that as well eventually xP), did all the photography, I maintain the dedicated server it runs on (SSH & Plesk though), and so on
[04:28] <Takyoji> Some elements of the design I don't quite enjoy (because I was forced to implement some of them)
[04:28] <Takyoji> And here's the gallery: http://www.aquaeden.com/pond-pictures/
[04:29] <Takyoji> Now I'll finally shut up about myself. :P
[04:30] <Takyoji> All of it is work I did 1-3 years ago. I can do things a little better than I have previously
[04:31] <Takyoji> Otherwise what type of materials do you think should yet be created?
[04:32] <Takyoji> Or would we just keep contributing whatever is necessary?
[04:34] <JanC> you might want to ask on the ubuntu-marketing and loco-contacts & maybe also ubuntu-art mailing lists what is still needed
[04:35] <Takyoji> First I just need to catch up with my life before I can start doing work
[04:35] <JanC> that's very important indeed
[04:36] <Takyoji> Schoolwork, and my own work (redoing the website for the International Professional Pond Contractors Association)
[04:37] <Takyoji> They paid an arm and a leg a long time ago to a web developer that had no idea what he was doing. I found numerous exploits and alerted the owner of the IPPCA that I'd be willing to redo it for them for free (although they pay me whatever they want anyway)
[04:38] <Takyoji> So when I'm done with that I may just buy: http://nokia.us/find-products/phones/nokia-n810
[04:39] <JanC> hehe, you know, you can get these for free at several conferences...  :P
[04:40] <JanC> mostly to developers though
[04:40] <JanC> actually, I know the guy who's responsible for the power management software in the Nokia tablets
[04:42] <Takyoji> heh
[04:42] <Takyoji> interesting
[04:43] <Takyoji> I just need an official drivers license (provisional license currently), and then a vehicle to actually be able to attend conferences. :P
[04:43] <JanC> well, I heard trains aren't really useful in the US  ;)
[04:46] <JanC> also, it has to be a Nokia sponsored conference, I guess
[04:48] <JanC> anyway, I'm going to see a movie and then sleep
[04:52] <Takyoji> Alright
[05:19] <Takyoji> Well, night folks
[22:52]  * Takyoji pokes at the deadness of the channel
[22:56] <newz2000> Hi, is this team still responsible for the spread ubuntu project?
[22:57] <Takyoji> I believe so
[22:58] <Takyoji> It's the main community-based marketing team for Ubuntu
[22:58] <newz2000> I had a request from some random person to point spreadubuntu.org to the http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ website
[22:59] <newz2000> I don't have authorization to do this but I can pursue it if the team desires it.
[22:59] <Takyoji> I'm not aware of that request currently.
[22:59] <newz2000> (I'm the Canonical webmaster for ubuntu.com and canonical.com)
[23:00] <newz2000> who is the main contact for the spreadubuntu effort?
[23:00] <newz2000> I guess more specifically, the technical contact
[23:00] <Takyoji> For this marketing group, the primary contact is DPic
[23:01] <DPic> i'm not in charge of spreadubuntu
[23:02] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects
[23:03] <newz2000> gotcha, that's enlightening. Thanks DPIc
[23:03] <DPic> no problem
[23:29] <Takyoji> Bleh, it's terribly annoying when someone makes a website that's centric to one browser
[23:30] <Takyoji> This is even more foolish: The page says my brother needs IE5.5 or higher, and he's in IE8, and it's yet denying him saying he's got an "incompatible browser" that needs to meet the criteria I just expressed
[23:40] <Takyoji> https://medica.ikaenterprise.com/Errors/IncompatibleBrowser.aspx


[09:32] <ngaio> Should I be filing a bug related to the broken theming? In the main menu (is it called kicker?) I'm getting black squares instead of icons; Plasma tools like "Configure Notifications" have no theme, and my Qt5 app looks like it has no theme either. Is this expected?
[09:45] <valorie> certainly it is not expected
[09:45] <valorie> when did you first notice this, ngaio?
[11:55] <ngaio> valorie, I fist installed kubuntu vivid about 3 weeks ago, perhaps. It's been present since that time.
[11:56] <soee> good morning
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: ping
[12:00] <ngaio> valorie, in any case I need to leave now, so we'll discuss it another time :)
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:26] <KDDA> hi BluesKaj
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi KDDA
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> we are having a talk about the Kubuntu website here: https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint plsea join if you are interested
[14:45] <BluesKaj> another website without FF support :/
[14:48] <lordievader> Pff
[14:52] <lordievader> Should it be a mostly black screen?
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: no
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> refresh
[14:55] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Does it really need webcam and microphone access?
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> no
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> you can disable that
[14:55] <lordievader> Still give a black screen though.
[14:57] <lordievader> Meh, too bad.
[15:04] <mparillo> Does not work in rekonq either.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> well, I have no camera or mic connected to this pc, so this site is immaterial
[15:06] <mparillo> https://meet.jit.si/KubuntuWebsiteSprint gives a black screen on Chrome for me.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> and chrome addresbar font is small it's unrteadable on a TV/monitor from 3.5M
[15:06] <BluesKaj> so small
[15:07] <BluesKaj> doesn't expand with ctl+
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I like chrome, but it's annoying on a large monitor ..wish google would fix those hard coded fonts and get with progress, not everyone usses 22" monitors anymore
[15:10] <soee> whats the problem ;)
[15:10] <soee> increase font DPI in Chrome settings and done
[15:11] <soee> well its called page zoom or something
[15:11] <soee> im using 125%
[15:11] <soee> on my laptop and all is fine :)
[15:15] <mparillo> soee: I think BluesKaj means not the fonts in the web page, but the font on the address bar.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> that's not dpi soee
[15:17] <BluesKaj> I'm using 150% on the webpage with laege fonts but the sddressbar remains tiny even with the smallest font setting at 14...this is a 42" monitor/tv ,mnot a laptop
[15:17] <soee> ah, ok
[15:17] <BluesKaj> addressbar
[15:49] <ovidiu-florin> meeting is over
[15:53] <mparillo> ovidiu-florin:  I am a big fan of two things: http://www.nngroup.com/topic/web-usability/  and I agree that whoever wrote about a call to action was on the right track, but I would frame it differently. I think the approach should be to put the design at the service of what a visitor wants to do. First time visitors may want to know what makes Kubuntu the right distro for them (I assume most visitors know about distros,
[15:53] <mparillo> but that might be a bad assumption). Returning visitors probably want to know what is new, and where can they get it. A call to action can also be to build an ethos of "now that you like this, how can you pay it back" by pointing at the community.
[16:43] <siddharth7> hi devs, anyone around?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> depends
[18:56] <KDDA> anyone know the status of KDE Connect?
[18:58] <Riddell> we need to package 0.8 and there's a kf5 version due out
[18:58] <Riddell> siddharth7: you pung?
[18:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what's new from your website sprinting today?
[19:01] <KDDA> are you Jonathan Riddell?
[19:04] <alket> how is 15.04 coming out, is it somehow stable, im very temped to install it my main computer
[19:05] <Riddell> alket: the Beta is looking pretty good
[19:05] <alket> thanks
[19:05] <KDDA> alket: Im using it as daily driver, looking very good indeed
[19:05] <Riddell> KDDA: busy writing a history of Kubuntu, 10 years old next month!
[19:05] <siddharth7> i didn't get you Riddell
[19:05] <alket> nice Riddell , can't wait to read it
[19:05] <KDDA> congrats
[19:06] <Riddell> siddharth7: you asked if anyone was around
[19:06] <KDDA> you have been involved from day one?
[19:07] <Riddell> before day one
[19:07] <siddharth7> yeah, I wanted to know if any dev is available here to hep me
[19:07] <Riddell> back when it was just rumours and I was trying to get KDE's attention to them
[19:07] <Riddell> siddharth7: usually you just say your problem and someone may help or may point you at somewhere more appropriate to help
[19:07] <siddharth7> ok
[19:07] <KDDA> I only jumped ship when Unity made me !
[19:08] <siddharth7> i want to contribute to Kubuntu
[19:08] <siddharth7> are there any projects available?
[19:09] <Riddell> siddharth7: of course, lots :)
[19:09] <Riddell> siddharth7: we need software packaged, coding to be coded on, much stuff tested, users to be supported
[19:10] <Riddell> there's a todo list at https://trello.com/kubuntu
[19:10] <Riddell> much of what we do is packaging software, I'm always happy to give tutorials in doing that
[19:11] <alket> I remember when I installed Kubuntu in 2009 , it  was so bad i never looked at it anymore, then Unity made me too , but this time Kubuntu was awesome xD
[19:11] <siddharth7> I generally use python and PyQt, do you have anything regarding these two?
[19:11] <Riddell> siddharth7: yep, our installer ubiquity is in need of a port to Qt 5
[19:12] <siddharth7> ok
[19:12] <siddharth7> so can you help me get started?
[19:13] <Riddell> bzr co lp:ubiquity :)
[19:13] <Riddell> see if you can install it and run it
[19:13] <Riddell> running   debuild  should get it compiled and installed
[19:14] <Riddell> running it, well it's an OS installer so you need to be very careful not to wipe your disk when running it on an installed system
[19:14] <Riddell> which you can do by telling it not to unmount and not to install to the disk you're using
[19:14] <Riddell> but it's a risk
[19:14] <KDDA> Riddell: is there issues with the dist upgrade from 14.10?
[19:15] <siddharth7> is its installation similar to ubuntu?
[19:15] <siddharth7> and which version should i install
[19:15] <siddharth7> ?
[19:15] <yofel> KDDA: there is one known issue so far
[19:16] <Riddell> siddharth7: install the kubuntu vivid beta
[19:16] <Riddell> it's just the same as installing ubuntu desktop, but more colourful
[19:16] <yofel> KDDA: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu#Known_Problems (mostly the last point)
[19:17] <siddharth7> ok
[19:17] <KDDA> yofel: my upgrade didnt go very well
[19:18] <KDDA> had to install fresh
[19:18] <yofel> hm, do you still have the upgrade logs?
[19:18] <KDDA> maybe, where would they be?
[19:19] <yofel>  /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[19:19] <yofel> but if you reinstalled already they're probably gone
[19:19] <KDDA> it was the same problem I had last night, black wallpaper and no kickoff menu etc
[19:20] <yofel> odd
[19:20] <KDDA> took me 4 days to get it working!
[19:20] <KDDA> I thought it was the NVidia graphics
[19:20] <KDDA> the installer kept crashing on the hardward part
[19:23] <KDDA> which log are you interested in?
[19:25] <yofel> the apt term log
[19:26] <KDDA> any particular part?
[19:27] <yofel> just wondering if there's any errors. If not, it might be something with the plasma config files. Not sure where to look there
[19:29] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: pong?
[19:29] <KDDA> thats what Im starting to think
[19:30] <KDDA> to get plasma working last night I had to delete the config files
[19:30] <KDDA> I moved the .cache and rm plasma*
[19:32] <KDDA> nothing in ther logs popping out at me
[19:35] <KDDA> where would that hardware "issue" be logged?
[19:40] <alket> Fresh Install is always the way
[19:40] <alket> to go
[19:46] <KDDA> alket, tell Kontact that!
[19:46] <alket> just copy the config
[19:46] <KDDA> its a nightmare to get configured again
[19:47] <alket> make a backup with SpiderOak
[19:47] <alket> and sync it across your computers
[19:48] <KDDA> does it backup Akonadi and MySQL records it needs?
[19:49] <alket> well i keep my projects on bitbucket private
[19:49] <alket> and I have configured git to also push the mysql schemas
[19:50] <KDDA> I sync with Kolab servers and can never seem to fix Akonadi when it decides to die on me
[19:50] <KDDA> works brilliant when its working, but nightmare when it starts misbehaving
[19:52] <BluesKaj> is akonadi necessary ?
[19:52] <KDDA> seems to be for Kontact
[19:53] <KDDA> and the Groupware elements of it
[19:56] <KDDA> is the home directory encyrption still buggy in 15.04?
[20:40] <KDDA> has anyone found that switching focus to another window sometimes takes a few clicks?
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: glad to see you're back
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> I've already talked to Paweł
[21:20] <alket> wow, im very impressed by Kubuntu 15.04
[21:21] <alket> Installation went smooth, just that it didn't recognise that I'm connected to internet
[21:32] <KDDA> alket: how are you connected?
[21:33] <alket> lan cable
[21:33] <KDDA> it working now?
[21:35] <alket> yes now it works
[21:35] <alket> also it was working on live cd
[21:35] <alket> just installer didnt knew about it
[21:35] <KDDA> just not in the installer
[21:35] <alket> also Yakuake doesn't work :s
[21:36] <KDDA> Konsole is crashing when you close it too
[21:36] <KDDA> still few wee bugs :)
[21:39] <alket> yep
[21:39] <alket> did anyone get Yakuake to work
[21:39] <KDDA> dont use it
[21:39] <KDDA> but Ill try :)
[21:39] <alket> well it works now :)
[21:39] <alket> becuase it was complaining that Konsole wasn't installed
[21:40] <alket> but after apt-get upgrade it works :)
[21:40] <KDDA> you fixed it!  That was fast!
[21:40] <alket> I didn't do anything :)
[21:41] <KDDA> works for me too :)
[21:41] <alket> also xorg-edgers have ppa for this version
[21:41] <alket> :')
[21:42] <KDDA> is the main desktop display staying on F1?
[21:42] <alket> whats F1
[21:42] <KDDA> it used to be Ctl Alt F8
[21:42] <KDDA> but has moved to F1
[21:43] <alket> F1 doesn't do anything for me
[21:43] <KDDA> I used to use Ctl Alt F1 to drop into a terminal
[21:43] <KDDA> cause your on default desktop
[21:44] <KDDA> F1 is the one you're on now
[21:44] <alket> yes
[21:44] <alket> I thought was stuck
[21:44] <alket> started to use all F*
[21:44] <alket> hehe , F1 got me back
[21:44] <KDDA> before it used to be F8
[21:45] <alket> yes
[21:45] <KDDA> for some reason its moved :/
[21:45] <KDDA> caused me a bit of confusion
[21:46] <alket> yes me too , I thought for a moment that you tricked me hehe
[21:46] <alket> until I hit F1
[21:46] <KDDA> must be part of Wayland
[21:46] <alket> what 15.04 uses wayland
[21:46] <KDDA> apparently
[21:47] <alket> how to check
[21:54] <KDDA> not sure :/
[21:58] <KDDA> alket: I read it somewhere
[21:59] <KDDA> Kubuntu isnt going to be using MIR which is Ubuntu's main display server
[22:00] <valorie> kwin will not use mir, yes
[22:01] <KDDA> hi valorie :)
[22:01] <KDDA> was I speaking with you yesterday?
[22:01] <alket> also GTK applications look very ugly
[22:02] <KDDA> I like the look of 15.04
[22:03] <KDDA> alket: have you noticed strange behaviour in focus switching between applications?
[22:04] <alket> hmm no
[22:06] <valorie> hello
[22:06] <valorie> yes, I'm always here
[22:06] <alket> hi valorie
[22:08] <KDDA> valorie I installed latest gramps today, but getting an error "OsmGpsMap module not loaded" any idea how to fix?
[22:28] <valorie> hmmm, I did fix that, but can't recall what package fixed it.... I used apt-cache search to look at all the osm-related packages and found some stuff
[22:28] <valorie> there is also info on the gramps wiki
[22:32] <KDDA> I installed python-osmgpsmap but still complaining :/
[23:16] <alket> im getting flicrs on some dialogs
[23:18] <alket> who do I complain too xD


[02:56] <goddard> i cant connect to mysql server from wordpress
[02:56] <goddard> can some one give me a hand?
[02:57] <sarnold> do you get any error messages? check both mysql and wordpress logs
[09:01] <rawi> Hi folks, somebody knows if Xenial will bring Samba 4.4, or will stay with 4.3 for the next 5 years?
[09:05] <rbasak> The plan is to not bump major version, though that has already happened once for security reasons.
[09:06] <rbasak> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When. We don't want to change behaviour for existing users.
[09:09] <rawi> rbasak: Thank Yyou. I was only asking because of features (demote dead controller), not security. So I'll find another way
[09:10] <rbasak> rawi: it would be possible to have an official backport if someone volunteers that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[09:15] <rawi> rbasak:  I've never adapted and compiled programs on my own, so I'll wait or try debian backports
[10:45] <eakdev> I was wondering if I could make our ubuntu file server into a web server as well. Is this possible and okay?
[10:49] <jamespage> ddellav, pkgos-parse-requirements appears to have improved a little
[11:04] <vagarwal> eakdev: it is possible, simply follow a guide to setup a webserver
[11:11] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: not sure we can avoid backporting paramiko and cryptography for newton UCA
[11:11] <jamespage> however
[11:11] <jamespage> sbuild does not understand the conditional deps pn crypto on lescina
[11:35] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: doing an sbuild backport for lescina
[11:35] <jamespage> should do the trick
[12:19] <coreycb> jamespage, I agree, we're going to need cryptography and paramiko.  was it sbuild that was causing cryptography to fail?
[12:31] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah
[12:31] <coreycb> jamespage, ok cool.  I was stuck on that.
[12:33] <coreycb> jamespage, I didn't touch CI yesterday, but depending on where we are with b2 I'll poke at it today
[12:53] <jamespage> coreycb, i've been poking
[12:53] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[12:54] <jamespage> coreycb, ok sbuild updated - we can try cryptography again now
[12:55] <coreycb> jamespage, ok I'll kick it off
[12:57] <jamespage> coreycb, two neutrons and a ceph build atm
[12:58] <jamespage> no wonder that machine is slow :-)
[12:58] <coreycb> ahh
[13:20] <coreycb> jamespage, I can't tel why this is failing: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/backport_package/1336/console
[13:23] <jamespage> coreycb, neither can I
[13:23] <jamespage> I'll backout the sbuild update
[13:23] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[13:40] <Amine_> Hello all I am having troubles to run my a remote ubuntu machine (14.04 LTS) running under Linux kernel version 3.14.32.  After a recent upgrade and a reboot the machine refused to boot and freeze at some point. I was able to reboot the machine in system rescue mode and also read the content of /var/log/dmesg to see what happened
[13:40] <Amine_> here is the dump of dmesg http://codepad.org/llFGvb62
[13:41] <Amine_> Can anyone help to know why my the machine freeze and therefore I can't ping nor ssh it ?
[13:46] <DelphiWorld> yo ubuntuficators
[13:46] <DelphiWorld> i'm runing ubuntu server 16.04
[13:46] <DelphiWorld> i want to build kernel 3.15.5
[13:46] <DelphiWorld> but i have failur
[13:47] <DelphiWorld> include/linux/compiler-gcc.h:106:30: fatal error: linux/compiler-gcc5.h:  file not found
[13:58] <sky> hiya, wrote a script that runs pg_dump then scp's the results. I am getting a broken pipe error when I run the script with crontab but not normally
[14:21] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: we're looking pretty good on deps for b2.  about all that I see left that we can update are: python-ddt, python-debtcollector, python-django, python-eventlet
[14:34] <ddellav> coreycb ok, i'll take a look at those
[14:35] <coreycb> ddellav, I don't think we need to get them for b2 necessarily
[14:35] <coreycb> ddellav, let's work on them after
[14:35] <ddellav> coreycb ok
[14:36] <coreycb> ddellav, are you working on monascaclient?  I just noticed heat needs 1.2.0
[14:36] <ddellav> coreycb yea, it's basically done
[14:37] <coreycb> ddellav, ok let me know when it's ready and I'll upload it
[14:52] <coreycb> beisner, jamespage: when you get a chance python-keystonemiddleware 4.4.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0 and openstack-trove 1:5.0.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0 are ready to promote to mitaka-proposed
[14:53] <coreycb> beisner, jamespage: also the neutrons (7.1.1), nova 2:12.0.4-0ubuntu1~cloud0, and python-oslo.concurrency 2.6.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0 are ready to promote to liberty-proposed
[14:58] <rattking> hey hey, has anyone here upgraded from 12.04 to 16.04 skipping 14.04?
[14:58] <nacc> rattking: i don't think that's supported
[14:59] <rattking> hmm but it should be possible right?
[15:00] <genii> You'd be better off to just do a clean install of 16.04 in that case
[15:00] <nacc> rattking: http://askubuntu.com/questions/115835/is-it-possible-to-skip-an-lts-upgrade
[15:01] <nacc> rattking: "possible", maybe? (anything is possible with root! :) ... advised, perhaps not
[15:01] <rattking> its its too tricky I will probably do a debootstrap install on another partition
[15:03]  * rattking tries something
[15:08]  * genii makes more coffee
[15:08] <rbasak> rattking: I often drop migration paths when no longer needed to clean up. I'm sure others do too. So there are probably landmine packages that will explode if you attempt it and hit one of those cases. You may also end up with latent bugs that you'll find later that won't make any sense and that you don't necessarily attribute to your leap even if that was the cause.
[15:10] <rattking> hmm good point.. I was looking at a system the other day I have thats been dist-upgraded for 10 years now and relized I have no clue what might have been modified in that time :)
[15:14] <rattking> the problem I am facing is the number of systems I need to upgrade off of 12.04 this year. so whatever I do it needs to be scripted and solid
[15:20] <jcastro> https://askubuntu.com/questions/797896/16-04-server-enabling-ldap-authentication-causes-systemd-logind-to-fail
[15:20] <jcastro> any help on this one would be appreciated!
[15:28] <nacc> jcastro: may want to ask for clarification if they know what was updated that might be involved (sounds like a regression) /var/log/dpkg.log may help with that
[15:41] <ddellav> coreycb python-monascaclient is good to go, builds in experimental and yakkety: lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/python-monascaclient
[15:53] <rattking> forcing an dist-upgrade from 12.04 to 16.04 wasn't too bad, I had to force remove 'netbase console-setup libblkid1 module-init-tools' due to multiple packages owning the same files, but they all installed correctly during the upgrade.. now to look for breakage :)
[15:54] <coreycb> ddellav, pushed and uploaded.  I changed the min pbr back to 1.8.
[17:45] <coreycb> ddellav, all the core packages marked as TODO in the spreadsheet are ready for b2
[17:45] <coreycb> I just took a pass
[17:45] <ddellav> coreycb ok, thanks for the heads up
[18:24] <beisner> o/ oh hey coreycb - sure checking those now
[18:25] <coreycb> beisner, thanks.  I think maybe just the liberty ones are left to do.
[18:33] <beisner> coreycb, looks like both are already done
[18:33] <coreycb> beisner, alrighty, cool
[18:34] <beisner> boom done :)
[18:47] <velus> hello all, im creating a chat service on a website and i need a php processes to be run on the server, it needs to be runc constantly, and was told the best was was to set up a service script for it. is there any example services scripts so i can run the php script as a demon/service, and have it start on start up
[18:50] <sarnold> if you're on 16.04 LTS there's a pile of configurations in /lib/systemd/system/  -- if you're on something before that, look in /etc/init/
[19:05] <velus> how do i check the version
[19:05] <Xin> If someone told you that Hillary Clinton was officially considering selling her breast milk to Bernie Sanders, on a scale of 1-10 (1=low) how credible would you say this statement was
[19:05] <Xin> oops wrong window
[19:07] <velus> ok the testing server is 16.04 and the webserver is 14.04
[19:07] <compdoc> heh, thats dumb even in the right window
[19:08] <nacc> compdoc: :)
[19:14] <spm_draget> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot#Setting_up_Maildir has for mail_location once ~ - syntax and once %u - syntax, all mixed. Is there a reason or just bad documentation?
[19:18] <sarnold> spm_draget: it looks like it exists to show that both are possible
[19:18] <mowthegrass> Hi
[19:19] <mowthegrass> Anyone encountered issues durning installation, the installer just seem to get frozen on screen (Not really getting killed) it just needs to manually be woken up by a key stroke on the screen, Post the key stroke it just continues the installation
[19:19] <sarnold> spm_draget: %u looks like it expands to user@domain, %h expands to the home directory, and they recommend using ~/ instead of %h for some reason: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Variables
[19:20] <mowthegrass> we are doing installations over 200 machines almost 60% of them go into this state eventually leading to manual work
[19:20] <sarnold> mowthegrass: I have a computer that behaves like that, I suspect it's part of the IPMI/BMC/Video card
[19:20] <sarnold> mowthegrass: you may wish to investigate e.g. MAAS or FAI or something else that requires less manual intervention
[19:20] <mowthegrass> sarnold: did you find any fix for that ?
[19:21] <sarnold> mowthegrass: no, I lamost never interact with that machine's keyboard/monitor, when I do I just hit the control key while turning on the screen..
[19:21] <mowthegrass> sarnold: we are doing FAI however after the installation kicks in the purple screen simple gets to a state where it doesnt finishes the installation except showing the progress bar.
[19:22] <mowthegrass> i need to manually hit some key
[19:22] <sarnold> mowthegrass: does it actually -hang-??
[19:22] <mowthegrass> sarnold:it doesnt hang
[19:22] <mowthegrass> it completes the installation provided just hit some key out on the screen
[19:22] <sarnold> but you do have to hit the key? that's .. annoying.
[19:23] <mowthegrass> yep
[19:23] <mowthegrass> we kicked in almost 200 machines today and waited more than 2 hrs  and this kept wondering whats happening
[19:24] <mowthegrass> nothing shows in installers logs too
[19:25] <spm_draget> samold: Mixing both syntaxs without any further comment is totally confusing and not really a good way of documenting it.
[20:24] <kyle__> Stupid user questions: has the syntax of /etc/network/interfaces.d/* changed?
[20:26] <kyle__> The same config I used for vlans in 14.04 doesn't appear to work on my test-box of 16.04
[20:39] <spm_draget> kyle__: Funny enough… I moved some lines from interfaces 1:1 to files under interfaces.d and suddenly my network would not come up anymore on 16.04. Did not debug that yet… just reverted the changes
[20:40] <kyle__> ugh.
[20:40] <kyle__> I was hoping for a, 'dumbass, it says right here in xyz wiki!', so I could get this all working :P
[20:50] <kyle__> Humm.  The only way I made it happy this time was with vlan-raw-device
[20:50] <lordievader> kyle__: I think 16.04 is using bios naming instead of the old ethX naming. Might that be your issue?
[20:51] <kyle__> Nah, I like the eth naming myself, but I have it configured with the new name, in all of its silliness
[20:51] <kyle__> enp3s0f0
[20:59] <lordievader> Could you pastebin your config?
[21:33] <rharper> kyle__: can you share your interfaces config ?
[21:33] <rharper> kyle__: both your /etc/network/interfaces  as well as anything in interfaces.d


[01:49] <idmbe> hello, is launchpad down ?
[02:01] <AnAnt> Hello,  launchpad is down ?
[02:01] <AnAnt> oh, it worked now
[02:17] <idmbe> AnAnt: Yes now work
 "surfzoid: my *guess* is that..." <- you are right, there isn't another way to customise the vm?
[05:23] <surfzoid> like a script
[18:12] <sarnold> surfzoid: you could probably configure your ppa or recipe or whatever to only build packages for the architectures that the other guy has provided?
[19:52] <JayF> Good morning o/ I'm trying to figure out something weird I'm seeing back from the API. https://gist.github.com/jayofdoom/918602acb03b15d13e8f5b3996e4b587 It looks like regardless of the query, I'm getting back what almost looks like the string representation of an object in python?
[19:56] <JayF> I suspect there's a nonzero chance I'm doing something wrong or there's something strange going on, too
[19:59] <JayF> curl 'https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ironic?project_name=ironic&ws.op=searchTasks&ws.size=100&status=New' appears to be working; I'll go from here and figure it out
[20:23] <cjwatson> JayF: 'https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/bugs&project_name=ironic' in your gist is a typo for 'https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/bugs?project_name=ironic'.  '&' doesn't introduce a query string in a URL, it only separates parameters in the query string
[20:24] <JayF> yeah, I realized that after the fact. And the original bug I was troubleshooting was an eventlet hang in the bug dashboard (not your api's fault)
[20:24] <JayF> so I've been barking up the wrong tree for a while :)
[20:24] <JayF> thank you
[20:24] <cjwatson> np


[00:09] <fox> hello!
[06:06] <nikolam> I am on 22.04 Xubuntu and sinc this year I think, when I open path with Ctrl+L in any app (like baobab or any Xfce app) path to the folder won't open. It opens only when I manually click on the left pane and click to the path.
[06:06] <nikolam> This is regression within 22.04 I think, since it was not like this since 22.04 install.
[19:28] <exegesisget> Hello


[00:08] <tomreyn> okay, then i'm afraid i did all that i could. i'm not into kde / plasma anywhere close to enough to help you sort out the rest, i'm afraid
 okay thanks anyway
 it was really helpful to at least have something
[00:15] <tomreyn> :) good luck
 thx
[01:27] <sigNeon> I have the worst keyboard and mouse input lag
[03:39] <kevin1a> Hello fellow Linux enthusiasts.  I recently switched from Budgie to KDE and have been exploring the excellent selection of K* software.  Does anyone have experience with kbackup?  I've had no problems backing up, but I see no option in the GUI for restore?  Is the "official" restore method just to untar the archive in the correct location?
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:24] <th4ntis> Morning
 Hi, I just installed Kubuntu. I've some issues, the system reboot ramdomly. Could you help me? … Spec: AMD Ryzen 1500X, Nvidia GTX 1060, RAM 8gb, Dual boot HDD (kubuntu) and SSD (Windows 10)
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/05Tugm3z/file_34375.jpg After updating kernel to 5.8 every time I boot this shows up and boots normaly and not detecting my wifi card  help
 Then I  … Booted back in 5.4 now wifi working
 How to make wifi work with 5.8?
 @reversestark26, What is your wifi card?
 @My1xT, RLT8821CE
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:52] <kdfrik> Hello
[11:52] <kdfrik> I want to know something about Kubuntu
[11:53] <kdfrik> Can someone tell me?
[11:55] <kdfrik> Hello
[11:55] <kdfrik> Is anybody here?
 yes
[11:57] <kdfrik> IrcsomeBot Can you tell me can we install non-kde applications on Kubuntu?
[11:58] <kdfrik> Because on KDE Neon, they don't support
 Yes, non-kde apps should work fine under kubuntu.
[12:00] <kdfrik> I saw a benchmark in which it showed that KDE Neon uses less RAM than Kubuntu and even Xubuntu
[12:00] <kdfrik> Is that correct?
 Kubuntu has a light install option that will more closely match Neon.  The std versioninstalls a few more default packages.
[12:04] <kdfrik> And can we install non-KDE applications in that light install option?
[12:07] <kdfrik> Hello?
 yes, can either install the light version and install the needed apps.
 or install the regular version and uninstall the apps you don't need.
[12:08] <kdfrik> And will the visuals be the same as the non-light install?
[12:09] <kdfrik> Like animations, transaparency
[12:09] <kdfrik> IrcsomeBot
 Themes, styles, colors, etc. are available on all versions.
[12:10] <kdfrik> Okay, thank you so much
 Hi, i have problem with kde on kubuntu. I use laptop with external display connected by hdmi. After installation i configured external display as primary, and set their location relative to each other. After reboot, plasmashell doesn't work on the external monitor. Only black screen, but i can use programs and run krunner from it. I discovered that if i stop plasmashell and then run "plasmashell" from terminal, everything works
 20.04?
 @DarinMiller, Yes
 Does unplug/repluging the HDMI cable restore the previous setup?
 @DarinMiller, No, nothing is going on
 I use xrender, because i have lags eith opengl
 Of it's important
 Not sure what you mean... But to clarify my question, if you unplug the HDMI cable after reboot and plug it back it, does it cause plasma to restore the correct monitor layout?
 @liberatorf, In compositor setting there is choice between opengl and xrender as rendering backend
 I doubt xrender is part of the issue.
 Ok
 What video card  (and drivers if not Intel)?
 Nvidia
 How to check which driver is installed?
 Run this in a terminal: lspci | grep VGA
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ATQVo0KY/file_34390.jpg
 Did you install NVidia drivers?
 No
 I strongly recommend installing the NVidia drivers. Use System Settings -> Driver Manger.
 If i run "killall plasmashell" and then "plasmashell" everything is ok
 @DarinMiller, Ok
 I recommend "plasmashell —replace &" to restart the plasmashell.
 (Photo, 1280x302) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/BwmvbeA0/file_34391.jpg
 @DarinMiller, Everything is ok, both screens works fine
 Looks like the NVidia driver is already installed.  Run nvidia-settings (either from the command line or KDE menu)
 Given the opengl is not working you may want to try the 340 version of the driver.
 @DarinMiller, It launched
 Do you have a Prime Profiles option?
 Yes
 If so, which card is selected?  Judging by your previous screenshot, you have a hybrid system (both intel and NVidia GPUs)
 Nvidia (Performance mode)
 Try changing your video driver to the 340.108 version and test your system.  Ensure change from xrender to opengl.  NVidia should work flawlessly with OpenGL when the correct drivers are installed.
 This issue is common with older NVidia cards where the correct default driver is not always installed.
 @DarinMiller, I have problems with installing new drivers. This command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-340 nvidia-settings" produced an error … dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.distrib' with …   different file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1', not allowed … dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-340_340.108-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack): …  new
 try sudo apt purge nvidia*
 E: Unable to locate package nvidia*
 Then try installing the 340 driver.
 @liberatorf, and nvidia-* too
 that's weird, that command fail  here also, but it used to work fine....
 Run this: apt list nvidia* | grep installed | pastebinit
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gp7g3VZjgX/
 sudo apt purge nvidia-kernel-common-390
 @DarinMiller, Comand was executive fine
 @liberatorf, But this error hasn't gone
[16:01] <linux_> hey
 @liberatorf, Try restarting and try again.  If that fails, add the nvidia ppa (sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa  followed by sudo apt udpate)
 (Photo, 1280x527) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/KH6lVJwr/file_34397.jpg
[19:16] <sadiel> Hello everyone, I hope you are all doing fine
[19:16] <sadiel> I got this strange issue with my kubuntu system since this morning.  If I hit it again it turns on. It means sound is on and off multiple times everytime I write a parragraph likes this!
[19:19] <sadiel> It's really annoying. Don't know how it began in the first place. Have I made something wrong, did I turn on accidentally some system feature that makes my system behave like this? Any help will be greatly appreciated
[19:21] <tespi> Have you tried using a different keyboard?
[19:27] <sadiel> Im  working on a laptop,  need to work with this keyboard
[19:27] <sadiel> It's  an old one
[19:28] <sadiel> I got this problem not only with the space bar, but also with the "n" key
[19:29] <sadiel> Is there any way I can sort out if this is a software or a hardware problem?
[19:30] <tespi> You could pull up a console and type in: xev -event keyboard
[19:30] <tespi> This will pop up a small window that prints in the terminal whatever key presses is detected
[19:31] <tespi> So you could press your space bar and 'n' keys and see if it receives any strange keyboard input
[19:33] <sadiel> Thank you. I get this:
[19:33] <sadiel> KeymapNotify event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[19:33] <sadiel>     keys:  99  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   2
[19:33] <sadiel>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[19:33] <sadiel> KeyRelease event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x6400001,
[19:33] <sadiel>     root 0x163, subw 0x0, time 1366484, (747,633), root:(747,663),
[19:33] <sadiel>     state 0x0, keycode 121 (keysym 0x1008ff12, XF86AudioMute), same_screen YES,
[19:33] <sadiel>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[19:34] <tespi> Please don't paste multiple lines like that in here, you can use a paste service like https://paste.ubuntu.com
 btw, keycode event for space and "n" should be 65 and 57 resp.
[19:34] <tespi> But this does look like the keyboard is sending the audio mute key
[19:36] <tespi> So it seems like a hardware issue to me
[19:39] <sadiel> Hello?
[19:40] <tespi> Hello
[19:40] <sadiel> Thank you  Tespi
[19:41] <sadiel> So,  can I solve this with software ?  Can I  tell the system not to mute audio with  those  keys?
 @liberatorf, Marc, try re-installing the 390 driver, set PRIME Profile to Intel,  remove the 390 driver. and re-try installing the 340 driver.
[19:43] <tespi> Hmm, you could remap it with tools like xmodmap but I'm not sure whether KDE has a better solution
[19:44] <tespi> xmodmap should at least work though
 By chance is the function key on the laptop stuck?  Try exercising it a few times.  Maybe something spilled on it?
[19:45] <sadiel>  Thank you so  much,  Tespi!  I  will  try it out!
[19:45] <tespi> Good luck
[19:46] <sadiel>  Thank   you!
[20:03] <chak> Hello, hope everyone is fine.
[20:03] <chak> how do I report bugs in flatpak packages?
[20:04] <chak> Same software as snap (mattermost-desktop & rocket.chat) install just nice.
[20:50] <diogenes_> Joel Oliveira, try to boot the previous kernel.
[21:04] <diogenes_> Joel Oliveira, you will be able to update.
[23:07] <ali96> hello guys


[01:16] <mup> Issue operator#175 closed: Remote app is not added to RelationMapping for relations in some cases <bug> <Created by dshcherb> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/175>
[01:17] <mup> PR operator#475 closed: Set Relation.app via JUJU_REMOTE_APP or "relation-list --app" if no units <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/475>
[03:45] <mup> PR operator#478 closed: Add basic workload hook support <Created by hpidcock> <Closed by hpidcock> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/478>
[04:23] <mup> PR operator#478 opened: Add basic workload hook support <Created by hpidcock> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/478>
[14:19] <LukeMarsden[m]> hey knkski (Rui Vasconcelos)


[00:34] <XubuAsusBIOSsetu> Hey :) I have this problem: The Harddrive on my Asus N series Was damaged. I borrowed a puter and made a bootable Live USB device.. dint think that youve made the persistence prart so easy over the last decade.. lol.. so I got a compaible hdd and installed the latest Xubuntu.. but I might have forgotten to make the BIOS aware of this sudden Hardware change.. I dunno.. cant boot the system on the new HDD, on the Live USB no
[00:43] <XubuAsusBIOSsetu> I tried configuring the bios manually, but I cant get it to work with my limited knowledge of the terminology
[00:44] <ax562> probably something else wrong
[00:44] <ax562> should have booted up
[07:54] <xubuntu30i> hello anybody? I am installing xubuntu so boring waiting
[08:26] <kevinchen_gz> I just switch from windows to ubuntu. Ubuntu is awesome!
[08:27] <kevinchen_gz> Can anyone share some experience of using ubuntu?
[08:30] <knome> kevinchen_gz, you'll probably find some on the internet (and for what it's worth, this is the xubuntu channel)
[08:30] <kevinchen_gz> As a linux man, It's worth to try emacs. It's the best text editor on the world!
[08:32] <kevinchen_gz> I am  always looking something new, exploiting the patential of linux, improving working efficency.
[08:38] <Babloyi> !lsr
[08:39] <Babloyi> oh
[08:39] <Babloyi> errrr
[08:39] <Babloyi> lts
[08:39] <Babloyi> !lts
[08:39] <Babloyi> so is it out to update now?
[08:39] <Babloyi> from the previous lts (14.04 or 14.10 I think)
[09:11] <kevinchen_gz> Is there anyway to upgrade ubuntu from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS online? I just can upgrade it from USB disk. It's a bit twisted
[10:04] <akxwi-dave> kevinchen_gz,  have a look here.. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[10:30] <HallerL> what's the easiest way to install xubuntu on an usb-stick (not he harddrive), inside of an encrypted lvm volume? as far as i know grub2 allows booting from an encrypted boot partion too - does this work with xubuntu, ie to use an encrypted /boot partion with grub?
[10:35] <xds> any good facebook desktop app/client for Linux?
[10:37] <bazhang> !crosspost | xds
[15:44] <Arthur_D2> hi, I'm having issues with getting the HDMI to work on a laptop. I am using Xubuntu 16.04, and I know there's a key combo to enable/disable HDMI (Fn+f4) but it does not appear to work
[16:32] <jilocasin0> afternoon all
[16:33] <jilocasin0> does anyone know how to change the default terminal size?
[16:49] <flocculant> jilocasin0: ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc look for MiscDefaultGeometry
[16:49] <flocculant> default is 80x24
[16:51] <flocculant> ooh learnt a thing too - resixe to what you want then stty size will give you 'that size' use that as MiscDefaultGeometry
[16:51] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/86066/xubuntu-change-default-terminal-windows-size-layout
[16:52] <jilocasin0> why oh why did xubuntu change the open file dialog....
[16:54] <jilocasin0> flocculant: there isn't a terminal directory under .config/xfce4/
[16:58] <krytarik> jilocasin0: Ftm, http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/preferences#appearance
[17:00] <jilocasin0> krytarik: thanks
[17:26] <flocculant> must have fiddled to get the .config file :)
[21:59] <DUKENUKEM> does xfce use pulseaudio by default?
[22:00] <DUKENUKEM> moved my xubuntu over to awesomewm and im trying to figure out how to get the sound working again
[22:00] <knome> xubuntu does.
[22:00] <DUKENUKEM> ok i didnt know if it was distro specific or WM specific