[00:06] <maxb> askhl: Your description of your problem is too vague to assist. Please clarify
[00:07] <maxb> A pastebin of exact errors is preferred
[00:22] <askhl> maxb, thank you.  This is stdout and stderr: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~ashj/opendir/out.txt and http://www.student.dtu.dk/~ashj/opendir/err.txt .  It's just a timeout
[00:22] <askhl> Wait.  Blimey
[00:22] <askhl> It actually ran this time.
[00:22] <askhl> Well, problem solved I guess! :)
[00:23] <maxb> keyserver.ubuntu.com can be a bit flaky at times
[00:23] <askhl> I must have been unlucky because I tried it a couple of different times, thought maybe there was a wrong link.
[00:24] <askhl> Thanks for making me rerun the command then :)
[00:26] <askhl> maxb, and apparently you just updated the documentation.  That's even better!
[00:57] <davidstrauss> kfogel: Is there any way we can accelerate the scheduling of branch scanning for a major, paid project on Launchpad?
[00:57] <kfogel> davidstrauss: that, sir, is a very good question.
[00:57] <kfogel> davidstrauss: Let me forward that question internally and see what happens.
[00:57] <davidstrauss> kfogel: They're in serious crunch time, and the current delays are not allowing them to work.
[00:58] <kfogel> davidstrauss: do you want to privchat about this?
[00:58] <davidstrauss> kfogel: sure
[02:30] <shishire> What's the best way to report a bug marked in launchpad as fixed, but which is still showing symptoms of the same bug?
[02:34] <spiv> shishire: if you're *certain* it is the same bug I'd reopen the original, but if you're not sure (and it sounds like you're not) then open a new bug and mention the earlier bug in your description.
[02:34] <shishire> spiv, thanks.
[02:35] <spiv> shishire: I recommend that because it's easy to mark a bug as a duplicate, but there's no good way to split a bug into multiple bugs if it turns out multiple bugs have been discussed in the one report.
[03:03] <khuff> I have a question about importing an svn repository.
[03:04] <khuff> Is there a particular person I should ask?
[03:05] <thumper> khuff: whazzup?
[03:09] <khuff> thumper: I'd like to request an import of an SVN branch that is on a server only accessible to authorized users. I think the only way is to give launchpad my user name and password, but launchpad has warned me that I shouldn't do that since those will be displayed on the branch page.
[03:10] <khuff> thumper: is there another option?
[03:10] <thumper> khuff: if there is no anonymous or general read of the repo
[03:10] <thumper> khuff: then getting launchpad to mirror it is probably not a good idea
[03:10] <thumper> khuff: you may wish to use bzr-svn and mirror it yourself
[03:10] <thumper> khuff: it is a public project?
[03:11] <khuff> thumper: I see. It's not a public project yet. It's small though, and I've just started coding it. I may be willing to lose the log on the first twenty revisions or so if it's best to just upload the source to launchpad instead.
[03:12] <thumper> khuff: well, you could have the best of both worlds
[03:12] <thumper> khuff: do a bzr-svn import of the traunk
[03:12] <khuff> thumper: with bzr-svn you mean?
[03:12] <khuff> ah
[03:12] <thumper> khuff: and then have that be your trunk branch
[03:13] <thumper> s/traunk/trunk/
[03:13] <khuff> thumper: Sorry if this is a noob question. I would still have to put the bzr repo on a public server, though, right?
[03:14] <thumper> khuff: only if you want to share it
[03:14] <thumper> khuff: you can use bzr entirely locally if you like
[03:14] <khuff> thumper: I know. The whole point of this is to make the code available.
[03:14] <thumper> khuff: in which case you could push the bzr branch to lp, and make it your trunk
[03:15] <khuff> thumper: is there no way to sortof give launchpad permission to this closed server without displaying my password to everyone?
[03:15] <thumper> khuff: not normally
[03:15] <khuff> It seems crazy, but I don't have a public server space.
[03:16] <thumper> you don't need public server space
[03:16] <khuff> thumper: ?
[03:16] <thumper> are you wanting to have a mirror of subversion
[03:16] <thumper> or move to bzr
[03:16] <thumper> ?
[03:16] <khuff> thumper: a mirror of subversion
[03:16] <thumper> ah ha
[03:16] <thumper> who maintains the subversion server?
[03:17] <khuff> thumper: Okay, just to clarify, I don't want a mirror of 'Subversion'. I want a mirror of a little code called cyclus that I have version controlled with subversion.
[03:18] <khuff> thumper: the server it is on is maintained by a university.
[03:18] <thumper> khuff: right, the university bit was what I was wondering
[03:18] <khuff> thumper: yeah.
[03:19] <thumper> khuff: why mirror the subversion copy of cyclus and not just move to bzr?
[03:21] <khuff> thumper: Moving to bzr doesn't solve this. First of all, the debian stable version of bzr on this system of servers is probably out of date. Second, everything would still be behind this secure server, but now in bzr, which no one in my research group uses. If nothing else, we're more likely to switch to hg.
[03:22] <khuff> thumper: I still have to create some publicly available repository for launchpad to import from.
[03:23] <thumper> khuff: well, the short answer then is "launchpad needs access to mirror, and the credentials would be shown"
[03:25] <khuff> thumper: Yeah. Damn. That's definitely what I was trying to figure out. Well. Okay. If I put some new bzr repository into a public place temporarily and have launchpad import it, what happens when I destroy the public repository on my side? Does it all still get maintained in Launchpad, or does it need to push and pull from the original repository space forever?
[03:26] <thumper> khuff: why not just have a local cronscript that does a bzr pull from the subversion branch, and bzr push to launchpad?
[03:26] <khuff> thumper:  (p.s. Sorry, I'm sure this was probably a centralized version control mentality question... I'm working on groking distributed vc.. )
[03:27] <thumper> that way, you skip the need for an intermediate public space
[03:27] <khuff> thumper: okay! So, I just allow my side to do the pushing, so launchpad doesn't need any usernames, is that the gist?
[03:28] <thumper> khuff: yeah
[03:28] <thumper> khuff: it would be a 2 line cronscript
[03:28] <thumper> khuff: the user that runs the script would need to have access to the subversion repository
[03:28] <thumper> khuff: and have an ssh key set up for launchpad
[03:28] <thumper> khuff: but that would be all
[03:29] <khuff> thumper: Awesome. Let's cross our fingers this ancient debian distro has bzr-svn.....
[03:29] <thumper> what version of bzr are you using?
[03:29] <thumper> khuff: bzr --version
[03:29] <khuff> thumper: as I suspected. None at all.
[03:29] <nhandler> How often does LP move people to the expired members list for a team instead of just saying they expired X hours ago?
[03:30] <thumper> khuff: you can always build locally unless you have root access
[03:30] <khuff> thumper: I know. I have sudoer access, but it takes some juggling.
[03:30] <thumper> ok
[03:30] <khuff> thumper: cool. Well, you've definitely answered my question. Thanks!
[03:31] <thumper> np
[03:39] <wgrant> nhandler: Daily.
[03:40] <nhandler> wgrant: Ah, ok. That was what I thought, I just wanted to make sure
[03:41] <wgrant> It should really say "today" as the expiry time, I guess.
[10:46] <BlackZ> Hello, I'm trying to upload a package to my personal PPA. I don't receive any error but I can't see it yet. What needs to be done/What's the error? It's signed.
[10:47] <noodles775> BlackZ: it's signed with a key associated with your LP account? (other options to check here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors)
[10:47] <BlackZ> noodles775: yes, it's
[10:48] <BlackZ> I will re-create it and then re-try
[10:48] <noodles775> BlackZ: what's your lp id, I'll check the logs.
[10:49] <BlackZ> noodles775: ~blackz
[10:52] <noodles775> BlackZ: sorry, what's the package you're uploading?
[10:52] <BlackZ> noodles775: playonlinux_3.7.6-0ubuntu1+ppa0
[11:00] <noodles775> losa: could you please restart poppy? The log seems to indicate bug 414482
[11:02] <BlackZ> noodles775: seems "losa" isn't here - is it an internal command?
[11:06] <noodles775> BlackZ: just short for Launchpad Operational Systems Administrator... they'll be watching for it :)
[11:06] <BlackZ> noodles775: ah ok, thank you ;)
[11:07] <noodles775> BlackZ: the thing is, the log shows other successful uploads, and those uploads being processed, but I don't see yours.
[11:07] <BlackZ> noodles775: but I'm uploading in the correct position
[11:07] <noodles775> Although the log is looking much healthier now... are you re-uploading?
[11:08] <BlackZ> nope noodles775, I can't: Package has already been uploaded to my-ppa on ppa.launchpad.net
[11:09] <noodles775> BlackZ: sorry, can you upload playonlinux_3.7.6-0ubuntu1+ppa1 ?
[11:10] <BlackZ> oh, now I have received an e-mail from "Launchpad PPA" - "Rejected: Launchpad failed to process the upload path '~/ubuntu': Could not find person or team named ''."
[11:10] <BlackZ> but the position is correct and no - I can't
[11:11] <noodles775> OK, glad you got an email. What are you using for your dput command?
[11:12] <BlackZ> noodles775: dput my-ppa playonlinux_3.7.6-0ubuntu1+ppa0_source.changes - I will use the option -f now
[11:12] <BlackZ> I think it's normal
[11:14] <BlackZ> ok noodles775 now I can see it, so just wait
[11:14] <BlackZ> thank you ;)
[11:16] <noodles775> BlackZ: np. Just fyi, if you view your PPA in launchpad, it should tell you to use `dput ppa:blackz/your_ppa_name blah.changes` or similar.
[14:09] <bilalakhtar> mrevell: did you check my project https://launchpad.net/gnome-media-player ?
[14:12] <mrevell> bilalakhtar, Hey, I did. Thanks for suggesting it. I'd say it's probably not yet ready to go on the featured projects section just yet. I only see one active branch and three open bug reports, right now. Obviously I'm sure it'll grow but I'd rather add projects to the front page that have more to demonstrate their usage of LP.
[14:12] <bilalakhtar> mrevell: Fine, no problem
[14:13] <bilalakhtar> mrevell: I am celebrating the launch of lp 10.4
[14:13] <mrevell> bilalakhtar, I'd be interested in writing about it on the Launchpad blog, though. How about I send you some interview-style questions?
[14:13] <bilalakhtar> mrevell: very much welcome
[14:14] <mrevell> bilalakhtar, Cool :) I have your email address from your LP profile page, so will send you an email.
[14:14] <bilalakhtar> mrevell: thanks
[14:53] <geser> does somebody have an idea why the LP API tells me for the bug_task object from bug 232455 that is it not completed? (bug_task.is_complete returns False)
[14:53] <geser> or is this a bug?
[14:57] <jibel> Hi, in LP bug 537241, I added an upstream watch but affected to the wrong package (dpkg) which is in fact Linux.
[14:58] <jibel> when I try to change the product to Linux, I receive a "Too many matches." error. How can I change the product ?
[15:03] <thekorn> geser, is_complete is only looking at the status, it does not care if the bug is a duplicate or not
[15:03] <thekorn> for me it looks like a bug
[15:04] <thekorn> or maybe a strage way of defining "is_complete"
[15:04] <thekorn> strange
[15:04]  * geser files a bug
[15:10] <czajkowski> leonardr: can you help with https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/107857 please
[15:10] <leonardr> i'll try
[15:11] <czajkowski> leonardr: thanks
[15:35] <leonardr> czajkowski: is there any way you can contact the current owner? they can change the owner fairly easily
[15:36] <czajkowski> leonardr: that;s the issue we're havng, we've contact and no reply and this is making it hard for the team to contine
[15:36] <czajkowski> I've two teams at present in this position
[15:36] <leonardr> ok, i will assign it to the losas
[15:37] <leonardr> ah, the losas already have it
[15:37] <czajkowski> yup
[15:37] <czajkowski> hence my issue
[15:37] <leonardr> i can't change it, only the administrators can
[15:37] <czajkowski> the 2 Questions I need  help with are assigned ot losas
[15:37] <czajkowski> and I'm now getting constant mails from the teams regarding the issue
[15:38]  * mbarnett is goign to be focussing on clearing out that queue today.
[15:39] <czajkowski> mbarnett: you on losas team ?
[15:39] <mbarnett> czajkowski: i am.
[15:40] <czajkowski> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/108553
[15:40] <czajkowski> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/107857
[15:40] <czajkowski> are the two if you get a chance to clear please
[15:41] <mbarnett> czajkowski: i will take a look at them shortly.  have a meeting in a moment, but will switch gears after that and go wild.
[15:41] <czajkowski> mbarnett: thanks
[15:41] <mbarnett> welcome
[16:25] <souffledev> #458703
[16:25] <souffledev> damnit
[16:39] <mpt> leonardr, hi, I'm getting "Please try again" consistently on one and only one page
[16:39] <mpt> leonardr, namely when I submit https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/575702/+watch/76690/+edit
[16:40] <mpt> every other page on Launchpad loads fine
[16:41] <leonardr> mpt: afk for a bit, will help you when i return
[16:55] <AdamDV> Hello.
[16:55] <AdamDV> Been looking at how launchpad+bazaar work lately, and if I'm correct, every user of launchpad actually has  a physical account on the launchpad servers?
[17:09] <mhall119> flacoste: I was told you're the guy to talk to about getting child-distro support from launchpad
[17:10] <mhall119> I was wondering what was currently available, and how I can take advantage of it
[17:10] <mhall119> and, of course how I can help improve it ;)
[17:13] <james_w> mhall119: what do you want to achieve?
[17:14] <mhall119> james_w: well, I have a child distro that I'm maintaining by hand by remastering Xubuntu ISOs
[17:14] <mhall119> I'd like to do that in a better way
[17:14] <james_w> so you want to build images?
[17:14] <mhall119> yes
[17:14] <mhall119> I'm already using LP for bugs, blueprints, questions, etc
[17:14] <james_w> live cds?
[17:14] <mhall119> and alternative
[17:15] <mhall119> and other archs too, if I can
[17:16] <james_w> have you looked at the tools that the distro uses for building cds?
[17:16] <mhall119> that Ubuntu uses?
[17:18] <james_w> yeah
[17:18] <mhall119> not too much
[17:18] <mhall119> it's all still pretty new to me
[17:18] <mhall119> learning as I go
[17:18] <mhall119> debootstrap and seed files and all
[17:19] <mhall119> I've only barely figured out .deb packaging
[17:19] <james_w> so what do you want to get out of Launchpad? A simple way to click a few buttons and get an image? A build farm for multiple architectures and types? Daily images?
[17:20] <mhall119> a build farm and daily images, I'm going to learn how to do the rest, so simple point and click isn't necessary
[17:20] <mhall119> just need a starting point for learning
[17:20] <james_w> right
[17:20] <mhall119> daily images aren't really necessary, I won't be making changes that often
[17:20] <mhall119> but monthly would be nice
[17:21] <leonardr> AdamDV: do you mean a shell account? i don't think that's true. you might have a unix account, but i don't think it will let you ssh in
[17:21] <maxb> He's not here any more :-/
[17:22] <maxb> A question borne purely of curiosity - how is this build record wedged? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/5.3.2-1ubuntu4.1/+build/1715179
[17:23] <leonardr> maxb, let me take care of mpt, and then i'll try to find someone who can answer your question
[17:24] <leonardr> rockstar might know
[17:24] <maxb> leonardr: No rush, I'm just intrigued
[17:24]  * rockstar looks up
[17:24] <maxb> I'm also intrigued by what's going on with ivy :-)
[17:25] <rockstar> maxb, I guess ask one of the Soyuz folks...
[17:34] <leonardr> mpt, what edit are you making to that bug watch? what's the new url?
[17:35] <mpt> leonardr, I'm trying to delete it (temporarily, so I can change the project, since Launchpad doesn't seem to let me change the project if there's a bug watch associated with the bug report)
[17:36] <mpt> leonardr, so from <https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/575702/+watch/76690> I ciick "Delete Bug Watch" and consistently end up at "Please try again" <https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/575702/+watch/76690/+edit>
[17:38] <josh_k> Anyone know who to petition to get private bugtracker/etc for a Commercial project (just got licensed) on LP?
[17:39] <leonardr> josh_k, talk to bac
[17:39] <leonardr> mpt: i'm going to try it myself and see what happens
[17:39] <josh_k> bac: ^^^ you've been sold out! :)
[17:39] <mpt> ok
[17:52] <leonardr> mpt: the next launchpad page i visited had the message "The gnome-bugs #617740 bug watch has been deleted."
[17:52] <leonardr> even though it hasn't been
[17:53] <mpt> leonardr, hm, I can still reload my form submission and get "Please try again"
[17:53] <mpt> I never get "... has been deleted"
[17:56] <leonardr> mpt: even if you click the button and then visit an unrelated launchpad page?
[17:56] <mpt> leonardr, ah, you're right, I got the confirmation message
[17:57] <leonardr> mpt: if there was an oops it'll show up in the oops report summary tomorrow. i'm not sure how to find it right now
[17:57] <leonardr> looking on devpad
[17:58] <mpt> leonardr, ok -- is there any useful info I could provide in a bug report in the meantime?
[18:09] <leonardr> mpt: i'm fairly sure that this error is not causing an oops
[18:09] <leonardr> i suggest filing a bug detailing the behavior (including the lack of an oops and the message you get when you visit a normal launchpad page afterwards)
[18:15] <mpt> 	 None, the status of the bug is updated manually.
[18:15] <mpt> 	 None, the status of the bug is updated manually.
[18:15] <mpt> Hm, which of those two should I choose ... decisions, decisions ...
[18:24] <mpt> leonardr, reported bug 575911
[18:24] <mpt> thanks for your assistance
[18:25] <leonardr> sure
[19:34] <qense> Is it true that LAZR file objects cannot be Pickled? I keep getting "ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded", no matter what I try.
[19:38] <leonardr> qense: what do you mean by a lazr file object? can i see your code?
[19:39] <qense> leonardr: I mean  lazr.restfulclient.resource.HostedFile
[19:39] <qense> Let me paste the code and the traceback somewhere.
[19:39] <leonardr> qense: ok, my guess is that that object includes an open filehandle, which can't be pickled
[19:40] <qense> leonardr: But StringIO can be Pickled and you can open that, can't you?
[19:40] <leonardr> qense: you now proceed beyond the point where i can answer off the top of my head
[19:40] <qense> leonardr: This is the daemon I'm running: <http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/428468/>
[19:40] <qense> ah
[19:41] <qense> The traceback: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/428469/
[19:41] <qense> I find accessing the Launchpad object via DBus quite ugly, but I do want to run it over DBus.
[19:41] <qense> The affected method is LP.get_file()
[19:42] <qense> leonardr: If you can't help me further that's OK, I'll investigate the open file handler thing a bit more and look for another solution if that doesn't work.
[19:42] <qense> Maybe I'll dump the whole filecontent over DBus.
[19:43] <leonardr> qense: actually this looks like a bug in lazr.restfulclient
[19:44] <leonardr> it's calling some code that assumes the hosted file has a json representation
[19:44] <qense> good! Then it's not my fault. :P
[19:44] <qense> The files I'm requesting are patches.
[19:45] <qense> They've got most certainly nothing to with JSON
[19:46] <leonardr> qense: file a bug against lazr.restfulclient, include those two pastebins, and i'll look at it
[19:46] <qense> leonardr: Thanks, will do.
[20:14] <sjamaan> Hi
[20:14] <sjamaan> Is there a way to communicate with a branch reviewer of a proposed external vcs-import?
[20:14] <sjamaan> If I put questions on the whiteboard, will they be read?
[20:44] <maco> is there a way to put screenshots of a project on that project's lp page?
[21:06] <abli> Hi! can I cancel a build I submitted to my launchpad ppa?
[21:09] <abli> Apparently submitting a newer version of the package (with a larger version number) doesn't cancel a build, i.e. launchpad will happily build a package where a newer version was submitted before the build started
[21:10] <bac> hi josh_k
[21:10] <sjamaan> thumper: here?
[21:13] <josh_k> bac: hey!
[21:13] <josh_k> I'm on my way out
[21:13] <bac> josh_k: ok, ping me here tomorrow?
[21:13] <josh_k> I sent an email too; just not sure how to make a private team for my fancy Commercial LP group
[21:13] <josh_k> sure
[21:13] <josh_k> will do
[21:13] <josh_k> or maybe later today if I get lucky ;)
[21:13] <bac> i saw your email and will respond
[21:19] <leonardr> maco: no, there is no support for hosting screenshots on launchpad
[21:19] <thumper> sjamaan: will be sitting down to work in about 20-30min
[21:20] <sjamaan> thumper: I commented on the whiteboard of https://code.launchpad.net/~peter-bex/chicken/historical-svn. I don't know if you get those updates by email
[21:20] <maco> LenZ: ok
[21:20] <maco> LenZ: sorry. person i was trying to tab to quit
[21:21] <thumper> sjamaan: updated, and approved, lets see if it works
[21:21] <sjamaan> cool, thanks
[21:22] <sjamaan> thumper: I think you have to append @16297 to the URL too, since trunk no longer exists in the repo
[21:22] <sjamaan> (at that revision, it did)
[21:23] <sjamaan> If it doesn't work, try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:34] <fta> i have 4 i386 builds of chromium stuck for several hours (started 6h ago), seems there's a problem somewhere (lpia and adm64 finished long ago)
[21:45] <\u03b5> launchpad still only builds for debian/ubuntu right?
[21:48] <thumper> \u03b5: yes
[21:51] <\u03b5> can a dream for a broader set of platforms?
[21:51] <\u03b5> I*
[21:53] <thumper> \u03b5: like what?
[21:53] <azop> \03: are you talking about RPM's and such?
[21:53] <\u03b5> tarball, autopackage, or heck, windows?
[21:55] <azop> \u03b5: Unless I'm missing the point, Windows doesn't have a standard packaging system, that actually functions properly and can be built easily
[21:55] <\u03b5> yeah, that's the thing to work out
[23:26] <maxb> Hello, could I ask someone to tell me about OOPS-1586C2237 please?
[23:28] <thumper> maxb: it hasn't propagated yet
[23:28] <thumper> maxb: takes a few minutes
[23:30] <thumper> maxb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/428588/
[23:30] <maxb> what I feared, ok, thanks
[23:30]  * maxb goes to chase bug and update
[23:31] <wgrant> maxb: Isn't that just bug #575426?
[23:32] <sjamaan> thumper: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/47894829/peter-bex-chicken-historical-svn.log
[23:32] <maxb> yes. I wanted to be sure why it was broken
[23:32] <thumper> sjamaan: what do you suggest we chnage it to?
[23:32] <sjamaan> Append the revision
[23:32] <sjamaan> |22:19| ( sjamaan) thumper: I think you have to append @16297 to the URL too, since  trunk no longer exists in the repo
[23:32] <sjamaan> I hope that'll work
[23:33] <sjamaan> I tried importing it locally, but I can't seem to get fast-import to work at all (not even on another, simple svn tree)
[23:35] <ubuntujenkins> Is it possible to delete a package from a ppa?
[23:35] <maxb> ubuntujenkins: url-of-ppa, click "View Packages", then "Delete packages"
[23:36] <thumper> sjamaan: do you have bzr-svn installed?
[23:36] <sjamaan> yes
[23:36] <thumper> sjamaan: because if this is a one off import, perhaps easier if you did it
[23:36] <sjamaan> That's what I was trying to do
[23:36] <sjamaan> Maybe I did it wrong
[23:36] <thumper> sjamaan: as adding a revno means it wont be a moving miffor
[23:37] <thumper> mirror
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> thanks maxb not sure how i missed the huge "delete package" button
[23:37] <sjamaan> Indeed
[23:37] <sjamaan> bzr: ERROR: The specified path is inside a branch. Specify a different URL or a different repository layout (see also 'bzr help svn-layout').
[23:37] <sjamaan> ^ that's what I get
[23:37] <thumper> jelmer: around?
[23:37] <sjamaan> At least svn-import works for a simple repo
[23:38] <maxb> sjamaan: Have you tried 'bzr svn-import http://chicken.wiki.br/svn/chicken-eggs/'
[23:38] <sjamaan> maxb: That's a huge tree
[23:38] <sjamaan> I only want to import chicken
[23:39] <maxb> oh, sorry
[23:39] <sjamaan> That's okay
[23:39] <maxb> 'bzr svn-import http://chicken.wiki.br/svn/chicken-eggs/chicken/' then
[23:39] <sjamaan> I think I tried that with fastimport, but not bzr-svn
[23:39]  * sjamaan tries
[23:40] <maxb> I would generally suggest always preferring bzr-svn, unless you need something that only fastimport can do (like filtering/mangling history first)
[23:40] <sjamaan> hm, interesting
[23:40] <sjamaan> It keeps complaining though
[23:41] <maxb> how?
[23:41] <sjamaan> bzr: ERROR: The specified path is inside a branch. Specify a different URL or a different repository layout (see also 'bzr help svn-layout').
[23:42] <sjamaan> I edited my .bazaar/subversion.conf but I can't seem to make it work
[23:42] <maxb> Check your ~/.bazaar/subversion.conf for what guessed-layout has been selected for this repository
[23:42] <sjamaan> "trunk", which is correct I suppose
[23:42] <sjamaan> I added branches=chicken
[23:43] <maxb> ah, no
[23:43] <sjamaan> Not correct?
[23:43] <maxb> Use layout=trunk1, delete guessed-layout, delete branches
[23:43] <sjamaan> Thanks, will try
[23:43] <sjamaan> success!
[23:43] <sjamaan> Thanks a bunch
[23:43] <sjamaan> It's fetching revisions now
[23:43] <maxb> trunk1 means "A trunk,tags,branches layout, which begins one level down from the repo root"
[23:44] <sjamaan> aha!
[23:44] <sjamaan> Is that documented?
[23:44] <maxb> Don't think it is
[23:44] <sjamaan> :S
[23:45] <sjamaan> Well, that's what we have IRC for :)
[23:45] <maxb> bzr help svn-layout has some docs, but not about what the integer suffix means
[23:45] <sjamaan> right
[23:51] <sjamaan> thumper: By the way, speaking about frozen mirrors, is there a way to tell launchpad not to bother updating a VCS tree?  The CVS tree isn't used anymore for active development either
[23:51] <thumper> sjamaan: yes we can make them as suspended
[23:52] <sjamaan> I'm talking about this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/chicken/main
[23:52] <sjamaan> It's currently set as the main one, I know. When the git branch starts importing properly, that one will be set to main
[23:52] <sjamaan> (can I do that?)
[23:52] <thumper> sjamaan: have you registered the git one?
[23:53] <sjamaan> aye, but it won't import because of a problem with dulwich
[23:53] <thumper> ah
[23:54] <sjamaan> See https://code.launchpad.net/~chicken/chicken/git-mirror and https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+question/109223


[00:42] <c_smith> hello
[00:51] <bkerensa> hi
[00:53] <c_smith> bkerensa, been trying to install Precise, but the LiveCD wouldn't boot up without throwing a Kernel Panic right away, is there another way I can install it?
[00:55] <bkerensa> idk.... I just upgraded
[00:55] <bkerensa> I think when I did try the LiveCD it wasnt fully done
[00:56] <c_smith> ah, ok, so "update-manager -d" without quotes does work?
[00:56] <c_smith> tried that once, but chickened out.
[00:56] <bkerensa> sudo sed -i s'/oneiric/precise/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:56] <bkerensa> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --purge && sudo apt-get clean
[00:56] <bkerensa> works
[00:57] <c_smith> hmmmmmm, interesting.
[00:57] <c_smith> the Wiki Page for Precise has the command I listed in it.
[00:57] <c_smith> I'll try that and then your command if it doesn't work.
[07:36] <bkerensa> hi tgm4883
[17:39] <c_smith> hello
[23:39] <bkerensa> hi


[00:27] <drc> OK, I do have one <small> complaint about 11.04b1...The notification plugin appears to take up much more space than the number of icons present would warrant.  This does not appear to be icon set dependent.  http://img832.imageshack.us/i/screenshot0412201106255.png/
[00:29] <charlie-tca> right
[00:29] <charlie-tca> it is about 3 icons big at its smallest?
[00:30] <drc> looks like 3 or 4, when only 2 are present.  At least it looks larger than if should, based on previous plugins.  I could be wrong.
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Not sure it is not a fixed size, all the time, so it can not grow too big, but can not grow too small, either.
[00:31] <charlie-tca> This is the first release we are using it in, so it might be a matter of experimenting for a while
[00:32] <drc> It could be...the plugin (in other DE's) has always been a little bigger than the number of icons, but not this big.  IIRC, of course.
[00:33] <drc> But it is a really small complaint...not a deal breaker.
[00:33] <charlie-tca> we are still learning how to make this thing work
[00:33] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:34] <drc> And doing a good job of it too.  Just think what will happen when you do learn all the ins and outs of the new stuff :)
[00:34] <charlie-tca> scary
[00:35] <drc> Maybe you should change your nick to scary-charlie
[00:35] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:36] <drc> I especially like what you all have dome with the menu...very little that I would want to delete from there, as opposed to 4.6
[00:42] <drc> Do I need to file a bug on the Indicator Plugin?
[00:45] <charlie-tca> sure
[00:45] <drc> launchpad?
[00:45] <charlie-tca> mark it for xfce-indicator, please
[00:45] <charlie-tca> yup
[00:46] <drc> ok, will do sometime tonight...promise (but dinner calls now :)
[00:47] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug xfce4-indicator-plugin
[00:54] <drc> That wasn't dinner, it was the dog's dinner :(
[00:58] <drc> charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/759312  Anything more needed?
[02:09] <charlie-tca> i went to dinner
[02:12] <charlie-tca> drc: looks good
[02:16] <drc> OK...then I'll go have <my> dinner...if the dog didn't get it.
[06:36] <rshakin> df
[07:33] <quup> I got xubuntu 11.04 beta yesterday, by default it tries to use a bunch of nonexisting screensavers
[07:34] <quup> (like glsnake or something, it just gives an exit code in yellow )
[07:35] <bazhang> quup, #ubuntu+1 for beta
[07:36] <quup> oh I don't even want a screensaver, just figured someone liked to know
[07:37] <Sysi> !bug
[08:01] <quup> is there some xfce way to make capslock act like control or should I use xmodmap?
[08:05] <TheSheep> quup: no need to use xmodmap, you can just run dpkg-reconfigure console
[08:05] <TheSheep> sorry, that's console-setup
[08:08] <Sysi> (hey that way i'd get left control to this netbook)
[08:12] <quup> TheSheep: it didn't ask about that stuff
[08:14] <quup> TheSheep: did find /etc/defalut/keyboard though
[08:16] <quup> I put ctrl:nocaps there
[08:17] <TheSheep> quup: I think there is some option to make it ask all the questions
[10:31] <uqbar_> Any idea when/whether XFCE 4.8 will make its way to xubuntu?
[10:31] <Sysi> in 11.04
[10:31] <Sysi> so, at the end of this month
[10:32] <psalden> hey folks... I'd like to use gnome3, and since installing it seems to break ubuntu/unity, I was thinking about running xubuntu and install it on top of that. However, won't it break that too?
[10:33] <uqbar_> Thanks, these are great news to me.
[10:35] <uqbar_> I'd like to know how to check the amount of RAM in use with XFCE. I've just switched to it from GNOME and would like to know how "light" it is. Any hint?
[10:36] <psalden> I guess 'top' in terminal
[10:37] <Sysi> psalden: gnome3 breaks unity yeah, shouldn't break xfce
[10:37] <Sysi> xfce uses maybe like 300MB
[10:38] <Sysi> unused memory is wasted mamory, unix-like systems should use everything available for cache
[10:42] <psalden> Sysi: cool, so then my solution should work... thanks :)
[10:43] <uqbar_> I would use ps, but am not really shure which processes should I loot at. Which processes make XFCE up?
[12:02] <quup> can I have xfce terminal open links by just clicking (or ctrl clicking) so I don't have to right click -> open link ?
[12:02] <Sysi> middle click
[12:02] <quup> ah
[12:03] <quup> any other way?
[12:03] <quup> (tricky to middle click with the trackpad)
[12:03] <Sysi> not afaik, if you find out how to change it, tell me
[12:03] <quup> will do :)
[12:03] <TheSheep> two-finger tap works as middle click afair
[12:03]  * quup plugs in mouse
[12:04] <quup> TheSheep: I dont have such a fancy trackpad :)
[12:07] <TheSheep> I think you can enable that with synaptics
[12:08] <TheSheep> !info gsynaptics
[12:18] <quup> is there some list of known gtk issues in xfce?
[12:23] <quup> seems buttons don't get keybord typing events
[12:27] <quup> or maybe it's taht it now throws error instead of warning for integer argument instead of float
[13:56] <quup> when launching a .desktop thing
[13:57] <quup> what PATH is used to find executables?
[13:57] <charlie-tca> The path in the .desktop file, if there is one. Otherwise, the system defined PATH,
[13:58] <quup> ok, I want to ensure that it can acces ~/bin
[13:58] <charlie-tca> usually it includes /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin
[13:58] <quup> guess I should just change system path then
[13:58] <charlie-tca> ~/bin is not normally in the path, unless added by you
[13:58] <quup> yea
[13:59] <quup> I have added it but only for bash
[14:07] <Lord_Rahl> ? for someone. I just install xubuntu 11.04, everything seem except I have no icon for a network widget in the notification area in menu bar
[14:08] <quup> charlie-tca: seems it found stuff in ~/bin without me having to do anything special :)
[14:35] <jpiche> does anyone know how to get NetworkManager working without indicator-applet in 11.04?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> These installs without network-manager applet, I can't seem to reproduce.
[14:45] <charlie-tca> I get an applet everytime
[14:46] <charlie-tca> You do have indicator-plugin in the panel, right?
[14:47] <jpiche> oh I have network manager, but it's stolen from the notification area by indicator-plugin, and when I remove indicator-plugin, nm-applet doesn't reappear
[14:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:48] <charlie-tca> no indicator plugin, no applet
[14:48] <charlie-tca> That is a change we could not control
[14:48] <jpiche> there is no way to get nm out of indicator-plugin?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> nope
[14:48] <jpiche> wow, that's terrible
[14:49] <charlie-tca> What was wrong with indicator plugin being there?
[14:50] <jpiche> I don't need it; it doesn't give me any useful information that other things don't give
[14:51] <jpiche> and when I have indicator-plugin in the panel, the volume control is still in the notification area--thus duplicated
[14:52] <Lord_Rahl> I have a differnt problem mine is there but I have no icon it box witha red X
[14:52] <charlie-tca> jpiche: Maybe someone in #ubuntu+1 will have a way to make it work without indicator plugin
[14:53] <charlie-tca> Lord_Rahl: but networking works, right?
[14:53] <drc> jpiche: I solved the double volume control by turning off the Volume Control in Session and Startup...not elegant, but it worked
[14:53] <Lord_Rahl> charlie-tca, yup
[14:53] <drc> jpiche: I solved the double volume control by turning off the Volume Control in Session and Startup...not elegant, but it worked
[14:53] <jpiche> Lord_Rahl, I had that until I added indicator-plugin to the panel
[14:53] <charlie-tca> Lord_Rahl: can you file a bug for that?
[14:54] <Lord_Rahl> sure
[15:06] <Lord_Rahl> jpiche, your right that worked
[15:09] <charlie-tca> jpiche: is the applet missing or is there a blank instead of an icon?
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I did have one release, it never showed the icon, but the applet was there if I clicked the space in the panel
[15:10] <jpiche> if i remove indicator-plugin, nm-applet is just missing
[15:26] <Lord_Rahl> did they a menu editor in 11.04
[15:26] <Lord_Rahl> if so what the program name
[15:27] <charlie-tca> You can use alacarte
[15:27] <charlie-tca> any freedestko
[15:27] <Lord_Rahl> ok that what install then
[15:27] <charlie-tca> any freedesktop compliant menu editor should work
[15:27] <charlie-tca> install     alacarte
[15:27] <charlie-tca> it is a menu editor
[15:28] <Lord_Rahl> it states that this is install  (gnome-menus)
[15:28] <Lord_Rahl> but i can not find it
[15:29] <charlie-tca> what says what is installed?
[15:29] <Lord_Rahl> ubuntu software center states it a menu editor. I do it by hand now but it be nice not to have to
[15:32] <Lord_Rahl> NM I read it wrong.
[15:32] <Lord_Rahl> it is a "implementation of the draft "Desktop Menu Specification" from freedesktop.org:"
[15:34] <Lord_Rahl> Guess I keep doing them by hand. If I install alacarte it bring a whole lot of stuff along
[15:39] <drc> Lord_Rahl, charlie-tca : I seem to remember seeing this menu editor installed in other xfce distros as well (and 4.6 to boot) and often wondered why a gnome editor was in xfce, especially when one could never find/use it.
[15:39] <charlie-tca> because it works?
[15:40] <drc> charlie-tca: in xfce 4.6?
[15:40] <charlie-tca> There are very few menu editors available.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> no, Not in 4.6
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I know xubuntu did not install it for that.
[15:41] <drc> charlie-tca: I could be misremembering...but I <think> that I saw it in xubuntu 10.10 and definately LMDE-XFCE, both 4.6
[15:41] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:42] <charlie-tca> 10.10 did not have a menu editor unless it was installed along with Ubuntu 10.10
[15:42] <charlie-tca> We haven't been able to edit menus since Xfce 4.4, and so we did not install any editor
[15:43] <drc> ok, I bow to your obviouslysuperior knowledge.  Maybe it comes from checking too many distros recently searching for an alternative to gnome3/shell/unity  :)
[15:43] <charlie-tca> That will confuse anyone!
[15:46] <Lord_Rahl> in reading the limited description I guessing it used to create *.desktop files and the menu core xml files
[15:49] <Lord_Rahl> I am suprised somehas not created a simple app to edit xfce menus
[15:49] <Lord_Rahl> someone*
[15:49] <TheSheep> Lord_Rahl: it's on the todo
[15:49] <Lord_Rahl> lol k
[15:49] <TheSheep> Lord_Rahl: the work continues since a couple of years actually
[15:49] <TheSheep> Lord_Rahl: turns out that "simple" is an overstatement
[15:49] <Lord_Rahl> there a beta I can try
[15:50] <TheSheep> no idea, you'd have to look at the xfce web page/mailing list
[15:50] <TheSheep> or ask on their channel
[15:50] <Lord_Rahl> ok will do
[16:42] <djkca> Does anyone have time for a newbie question?
[16:42] <TheSheep> !hi
[16:42] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[16:43] <djkca> thanks.  i have installed xubuntu for the first time in a vm.  trying to find the file with the static network settings.  expecting to find it in /etc/net/interfaces but not finding my eth interface there
[16:43] <djkca> sorry /etc/network/interfaces
[16:43] <djkca> all i find in there are the lo settings
[16:44] <TheSheep> the rest is autodetected and configured by network manager
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Since networking is now controlled by network manager, unless you manually add the settings to /etc/network/interfaces, it is not there
[16:44] <TheSheep> but you can add to that file your own stuff if you want
[16:44] <djkca> so it does not put the settings into a file somewhere?  are the settings from network manager persistent?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> yes, very persistent
[16:45] <Sysi> it saves them to home folder
[16:46] <djkca> ahhh.  ok i will look in there.  thanks everyone
[17:16] <drc> Is there any way in Thunar to get the file names (in icon view) to be center, rather than right, oriented?
[17:18] <TheSheep> drc: you might try asking at #thunar or #xfce
[17:18] <drc> er...the <other> right (i.e., left oriented)
[17:18] <drc> TheSheep: Thanks I will
[17:19] <TheSheep> you might be able to do that with a gtk theme, for example
[17:19] <TheSheep> but you would need to know the name of that control
[17:21] <drc> TheSheep: I'm just looking for a simple way...doesn't bother me <that> much.
[18:09] <Lord_Rahl> what is the default theme in xubuntu 11.04
[18:10] <Sysi> graybird
[18:10] <Lord_Rahl> thanks
[18:12] <Sysi> http://shimmerproject.org/projects/greybird/
[20:02] <drc> Interesting...while one can put an app on the panel now, the same appears not to be true for a file.
[20:03] <drc> design or feature?
[20:04] <Sysi> that would need to be like launcher for application to open specific file, nobody thought it was needed or just didn't do it
But GNOME has it....</whine>
[20:05] <charlie-tca> why would you put a file on a panel?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Isn't that what the desktop is for?
[20:05] <drc> I like to put whatever e-book I'm reading at the time on the panel...that way I don't have to go looking for it nested in Calibre's in-depth file system
[20:06] <drc> charlie-tca: the are <no> icons on my desktop....that's for windows
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Put the ebook on the desktop, it will be fully visible
[20:07] <charlie-tca> You can even use Applications -> Workspaces to tell maximized applications not to cover the entire desktop
[20:07] <Sysi> desktop icons are somewhat ugly and unhandy, but fit some purposes
[20:07] <Sysi> i have everything in panel on windows too
[20:07] <drc> I never could understand the logic oh ahving the icons on the desktop and then covering them up with windows.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess to each his own
[20:08] <charlie-tca> You don't have to cover them in Xubuntu. You can actually tell it not to cover all the desktop
[20:08] <drc> true dat
[20:09] <charlie-tca> My workspace margins are set such that I can always see the first column of icons on the desktop
[20:09] <charlie-tca> No window is allowed to cover them
[20:10] <drc> ok, that's two.... :)
[20:13] <drc> Can one file a "wish for" instead of a bug in launchpad?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:14] <drc> He asks, knowing there are much more important things to fix first
[20:14] <charlie-tca> We got one wishlist bug fixed for this release, it was filed in 2006
[20:15] <charlie-tca> anything is possible!
[20:19] <drc> Misquote from somewhere: "In an infinite universe, all things are possible, some are just more possible that others."
[20:24] <drc> Is there any difference in filing a bug report and a wish-for report?
[20:24]  * drc has more hope than sense
[20:26] <charlie-tca> nope
[20:27] <charlie-tca> file both the same way, but put in the comments that the bug is a wishlist bug
[20:29] <drc> done...now, if only I'll be still alive when this gets to the top of the queue...
[20:30] <drc> thank you charlie-tca
[20:30] <charlie-tca> jSome happen fast, some take longer...
[20:30] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:20] <drc> Is there a difference between the Xubuntu and the XFCE session at the login screen?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:21] <charlie-tca> xfce session looks bad, and uses different menus
[21:21] <charlie-tca> well, puts more in the menu, I guess
[21:21] <drc> Now I <gotta> just look...brb :)
[21:21]  * charlie-tca thinks that is not the right description of the session, though
[21:22] <Unit193> That's the only session that works with FreeNX
[21:22] <charlie-tca> How would you describe it?
[21:23] <Unit193> No bar on top
[21:23] <Unit193> XFCE icon on application menu
[21:28] <drc> charlie-tca: You are totally correct (again)...the menu(s) are somewhat different, especially in the Settings menu.  Booting into XFCE also reset my Workspace Switcher back to the default 4 (even when I booted back into the Xubuntu session.)
[21:45] <quup> when I go fullscreen in mplayer that dock thing is still visible, can I either make it completely unseen when autohidden or a layer below mplayers fullscren layer?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> What dock thing?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> xubuntu shouldn't have a dock
[21:58] <drc> Maybe he means the bottom panel in 4.8 that can <look> like a dock?
[21:59] <charlie-tca> but that is a hidden panel, it should not appear
[21:59] <drc> Shoulda Woulda Coulda :)
[22:04] <Sysi> if autohiding panel is always visible, it's stucked
[22:04] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:04] <Sysi> relogin usually helps
[22:05] <charlie-tca> it would be nice if quup would respond. It makes it much easier when the person wanting answers is around after asking the question.
[22:09] <knome> i think supporting people is more exciting when you don't know if the answer helped or not
[22:09] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:09] <charlie-tca> I hadn't thought of it that way.
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I did get one right the other day, when the question was "Can anyone help me? I don't know if it should do this?"
[22:11] <drc> I think figuring out the <real> question is the most exciting part...once that's done the answer is often trivial in comparison.
[22:12] <charlie-tca> You just have to learn to answer before it get asks :-)
[22:12] <Sysi> i'm nowdays pretty good at guessing what people actually want
[22:12] <drc> But when I do that, usually I have the wrong <real> question.
[22:13] <knome> what you actually need to learn is how to answer the real question and then come up with a reason why you need to go now so you don't need to answer the boring questions ;)
[22:13] <drc> And I look even more like an idiot than I really am (I hope).
[22:14] <drc> "Play with puppy" is my favoritie...and true too
[22:14] <Sysi> i wonder if i'll some day dare to ask for ubuntu membership for my helping here
[22:14] <knome> because when people notice you know things, they start to ask stupid questions, like "wait, if i move the mouse right, will the cursor also move towards the right end of the monitor"
[22:15] <drc> or PM you....
[22:15] <knome> Sysi, don't you remember you have also given valuable feedback for the artwork created for xubuntu
[22:16] <Sysi> still most i've done is in irc
[22:16] <knome> imo that's not a reason not to give you the membership
[22:17] <knome> things you can do in irc are undervalued in the ubuntu community
[22:17] <Sysi> people have gotten memberships from irc job still
[22:17] <Sysi> but it easily feels like you aren't actually doing something
[22:17] <knome> sure
[22:18] <Sysi> (not exactly xubuntu discussion)
[22:20] <Sysi> i'd need xfce 4.8 for creating vertical-panel setup :/
[22:20] <knome> 14 days...
[22:21] <Sysi> on 16:9 monitor seems just stupid to have panel at the bottom
[22:21] <charlie-tca> choices! I really like that panel, myself
[22:21] <Sysi> it's always the decision about testing or keeping the working one
[22:22] <knome> i have two panels on the other monitor, and none on the other
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Of course, I enjoy my 22" monitor, too. I suppose that matters when it comes to screens


[10:08] <A-Kaser> poy poy
[03:21] <RShadow> I need some help with reinstalling postfix... I deleted /etc/postfix to start over and now I can't reinstall it.. what should I do?
[03:30] <lionelp> What is your error RShadow ?
[03:31] <RShadow> I removed /etc/postfix and now when I try to install postfix againi it says /etc/postfix/postfix-script is missing
[03:32] <lionelp> apt-get install --reinstall postfix
[03:32] <RShadow> I've tried that and -f to force and -d to download it and dpkg -i install it.. all with the same results
[03:33] <lionelp> did you try to remove it apt-get remove --purge postfix
[03:34] <RShadow> no.. didn't try that yet..let me give it a shot
[03:34] <RShadow> Thanks!
[03:34] <RShadow> worked out good
[04:38] <Zambezi> Anybody knows glftpd? I'm confused. max_users 15 5 means 15 users online  and 5 is downloading/uploading?
[07:59] <RShadow> anyone running apache 2.2?
[09:30] <J_P> hi all
[09:31] <J_P> people, are there some url where explaim diferences between normal kernel and server kernel in ubuntu-server ?
[10:33] <screeb> J_P: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelServerRoadmap
[10:34] <screeb> it could help you
[10:36] <J_P> screeb: thanks!
[11:58] <J_P> hey all, I find one problem in ubuntu-server:
[12:01] <J_P> I try in /usr/src do this : tar -xvf <TAB> <TAB>. the first <TAB> complete line with this : root@concord:/usr/src# tar -xvf linux-source-2.6.15.tar, but second <TAB> not show nothing and congeals the terminal, but in anoteher temirnal i was running top and I see that first terminal where I set two times <TAB> using 99% of cpu. and machine was reaaly very slowest. That is a bug ?


  Also the incept dates for a few replicants too
[13:25] <cmaloney> The worst one for me is losing an hour
[13:26] <cmaloney> I'm so goofed up right now
[13:26] <jrwren> it doesn't help that I woke with a sinus infection yesterday.  Eastern timezone should always be in DST (ie, always EDT, -4UTC, never EST, -5UTC)
[14:59] <jrwren> greg-g: agree!
[15:05] <cmaloney> no
[15:05] <cmaloney> no nononono
[15:05] <cmaloney> est should always be -5 GMT
[15:05] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, that is cool.
[15:05] <jrwren> MI should be CST
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> if you travel due south from most of michigan you hit CST
[15:06] <jrwren> I want my 10:30-11pm june lake michigan sunsets
[15:06] <mrgoodcat> in KY, TN, AL
[15:06] <cmaloney> jrwren: I want darkness
[15:06] <cmaloney> like my soul
[15:07] <jrwren> cmaloney: hrm... i'm listening Clan of Xymox cover A Forest by The Cure right now. You want in? :p
[15:08] <cmaloney> That's not darkness. :)
[15:08] <jrwren> i know. its actually pretty damn happy
[15:14] <cmaloney> https://earache.bandcamp.com/album/thresholds-full-dynamic-range-edition
[15:34] <cmaloney> https://cialyn.bandcamp.com/album/radio-libre-albemuth
[15:44] <mrgoodcat> about 3 hours into the game alpha go just made the first move that the 9p comentator didn't understand why it did it
[15:44] <mrgoodcat> will be interesting to see how that workst out
[15:45] <cmaloney> Which game?
[15:45] <cmaloney> (of the series, I mean)
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> 1
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> i'm going to watch them all in order eventually
[15:47] <cmaloney> heh
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> michael redmond is an excellent commentator
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> he's explaining so many things about game strategy
[15:48] <cmaloney> That move signaled that Alpha Go wasn't just replaying common Go knowledge.
[15:48] <cmaloney> but actually considering moves carefully
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> he's just starting to wonder if alphago might win
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> previously it was a 'what if' type thing
[15:48] <cmaloney> the image of Lee Seidol with his mouth open after a move was priceless.
[15:49] <mrgoodcat> now he's actually considering that it might be possible
[15:49] <cmaloney> I'm still in the "don't play a capture game" phase of Go. :)
[15:50] <mrgoodcat> i'm not sure what you mean by that
[15:50] <mrgoodcat> as in you're trying to avoid the mentality where you constantly feel the need to try to capture?
[15:52] <cmaloney> Yes
[15:53] <cmaloney> And put myself into ridiculous situations where I box myself in
[15:53] <mrgoodcat> i haven't played in so long
[15:53] <mrgoodcat> i'm a bad go nerd
[15:53] <mrgoodcat> lol
[15:53] <cmaloney> Droppin' false eyes like Galileo dropped the orange.
[16:01] <_stink_> cmaloney++
[16:44] <mrgoodcat> 31.41% off xps 13 today
[16:44] <mrgoodcat> happy pi day
[17:06] <cmaloney> Gah!
[17:07] <cmaloney> link?
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Dell-XPS-13-9350-Signature-Edition-Laptop/productID.326871900?WT.mc_id=PromoEmail_en_US_Pi_Day_MSBase_3-14-16_Hero_GetAPieceOfThePi
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> wow thats a long link
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> http://is.gd/VHgmC8 (www.microsoftstore.com)
[17:28] <mrgoodcat> starting on game 2 now
[17:38] <cmaloney> Hurm...
[17:38] <cmaloney> Not the Dell I was hoping. :)
[17:38] <cmaloney> or the store for that matter.
[17:39] <mrgoodcat> what do you mean?
[17:39] <cmaloney> Was hoping it was the Ubuntu machine. :)
[17:39] <mrgoodcat> the microsoft store isn't exactly shady and the only difference between the regular and the dev editions of the xps 13 is the wifi adapter
[17:39] <mrgoodcat> which can be swapped out
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> my buddy did it a couple months ago
[18:47] <brousch> I've crawled up to 23kyu on DGS
[18:47] <brousch> Doing even better on most ladders
[18:53] <cmaloney> brousch: nice!
[18:54] <cmaloney> HGopefully I'll be able to get to a level where I'm not dropping your rating. :)
[18:56] <mrgoodcat> you can drop someone's rating just by playing them?
[19:00] <cmaloney> Apparently I have that affect on people. :)
[19:00] <cmaloney> effect.
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> i wish i could play someone reasonably good in person that could explain what i'm doing wrong
[19:17] <mrgoodcat> or what i'm doing right for that matte
[19:28] <cmaloney> WEll, I can only offer someone to play in person. :)
[19:29] <cmaloney> I have a 9x9, a 13x13 board in standard size, and multiple little boards
[19:29] <cmaloney> plus a really strange Avalon Hill board.
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> oh you do?
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> that's awesome
[20:27] <mrgoodcat> its one of those things that i've always kinda wanted but never pulled the trigger on
[20:30] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's one of those games that got me to give up sucking at chess and start sucking at it instead
[20:31] <cmaloney> Love when peoplesay "chess is a complicated gae". No, it's not.
[20:31] <cmaloney> Chess is a lot of memorization
[20:31] <cmaloney> remembering 5,000 opening positions
[20:43] <mrgoodcat> ha
[20:43] <mrgoodcat> i never really got even reasonably ok at chess
[20:44] <mrgoodcat> i suspect i'll never be even reasonably ok at go either but oh well
[20:44] <mrgoodcat> if you are ever looking for someone to play with i'd be game
[20:44] <mrgoodcat> but i dont have a lot of free time these days
[23:41] <shakes808> Good evening, all
[23:59] <cmaloney> Evening


[11:53] <jimbojambo> Hello, anyone knows or is interested in how to develop a driver for tascamUS600?
[15:51] <pikurasa> Can someone please send me link for ubuntu studio watermark? Thanks!
[15:51] <pikurasa> Just image okay.
[15:51] <cfhowlett> pm your email
[15:52] <pikurasa> [done]
[15:55] <cfhowlett> pikurasa, SENT
[15:57] <pikurasa> received. Do I need to do anything to these SVG files? like create a .png the size on my video screen?
[15:58] <cfhowlett> that is oer way
[15:58] <cfhowlett> one
[15:58] <pikurasa> Can I use them "as is"?
[15:59] <cfhowlett> i believe so.  it's been awhile ...
[16:02] <pikurasa> I guess I will found out... :)
[16:03] <cfhowlett> that's the best way.  don't forget to make your official ID!
[16:04] <pikurasa> Like, my own brand?
[16:05] <cfhowlett> see the other email
[16:07] <pikurasa> This is what I am going to try right now: ffmpeg2theora -i Path/to-Original.ogv -i Path/to-Watermark.svg -filter_complex 'overlay' strict -2 Path/to-Name.ogv --artist 'First Last' --title 'My Movie' --date 'Today' --copyright 'Copyright' --contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:07] <pikurasa> (all the meta data is there because my version of Pitivi is not letting me do this during rendering)
[16:08] <cfhowlett> go for it!
[16:08] <pikurasa> [audioresample @ 0x9c1000] Audio sample format conversion failed
[16:08] <pikurasa> ...
[16:14] <pikurasa> ffmpeg2theora: invalid option -- 'i'
[16:14] <pikurasa> ffmpeg2theora: invalid option -- 'i'
[16:14] <pikurasa> ffmpeg2theora: invalid option -- '2'
[16:14] <pikurasa> WARNING: Only one input file supported, others will be ignored
[16:19] <pikurasa> man ffmpeg2theora
[16:19] <pikurasa>        --vhook
[16:19] <pikurasa>               you can use ffmpeg's vhook system, example:
[16:19] <pikurasa>                ffmpeg2theora --vhook '/path/watermark.so -f wm.gif' input.dv
[16:19] <cfhowlett> avconv makes it so much easier ...
[16:20] <pikurasa> I wasn't finding avconv with apt-get...
[16:20] <cfhowlett> libav-tools
[16:21] <pikurasa> Got it. I had it...
[16:21] <cfhowlett> :)
[16:22] <pikurasa> ...just like everything in life.
[16:29] <pikurasa> wow. Avconv has a long man page
[16:31] <cfhowlett> similar to ffmpeg
[16:35] <pikurasa> I am not getting an error message...
[16:35] <pikurasa> Okay, the meta data is getting onto the file, but when I play it, it complains that it is "not in the right format"
[16:36] <pikurasa> Also, it stops at 8.2kb
[16:36] <pikurasa> I think that is about when the sound starts.
[16:37] <pikurasa> avconv -y -i source.mp4 -vf "movie=watermark.png [watermark]; [in][watermark] overlay=10:10 [out]" -c:v libx264 target.mp4
[16:37] <pikurasa> Using that as template
[16:37] <pikurasa> from here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17410394/how-to-render-a-watermark-with-transparency-into-a-video
[16:37] <cfhowlett> that's the one.
[17:03] <pikurasa> [overlay @ 0x169f0c0] Overlay area (10,10)<->(1300,740) not within the main area (0,0)<->(1280,720) or zero-sized
[17:03] <pikurasa> [fifo @ 0x14d4e20] Failed to configure input pad on Parsed filter 1 overlay
[17:03] <pikurasa> I tried changing the image size--I just get different error each time...
[17:03] <pikurasa> (This happened when Trying a .png)
[17:03] <pikurasa> SVG did not seem to be working for me
[17:04] <cfhowlett> different error each time is strange
[17:04] <pikurasa> [overlay @ 0x27870c0] Overlay area (10,10)<->(1290,730) not within the main area (0,0)<->(1280,720) or zero-sized
[17:04] <pikurasa> [fifo @ 0x25bce20] Failed to configure input pad on Parsed filter 1 overlay
[17:04] <pikurasa> Was with a 1280x720 image (same as video)
[17:04] <pikurasa> with 300DPI
[17:04] <cfhowlett> pikurasa, try smaller image
[17:04] <pikurasa> I don't really know what to do with DPI for this...
[17:06] <cfhowlett> check back tomorrow.  it's 1 a.m. so well past bedtime.  sorry.
[17:10] <pikurasa> Okay, thanks!
[18:00] <pikurasa> I did it! Output is lossy, but I did it!
[18:06] <pikurasa> $ avconv -y -i original-file.ogv -vf "movie= /path/to/MyWaterMark-(xpixelsminusten)x(ypixelsminusten).png [watermark]; [in][watermark] overlay=10:10 [out]" -c:v theora -q:v 7 output.ogv -metadata artist="First Last" -metadata title="My Video" -metadata date="today" -metadata copyright="copyright" -metadata<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:06] <pikurasa> Where the .png file is 10x10 smaller than the video size. E.G. 1280x720 video needs a 1270x710 image--or at least that is what I needed to do.
[18:18] <pikurasa> ...but the metadata does not show up.
[20:24] <bancarota> Hello
[20:24] <bancarota> Hi?
[20:38] <Roberto> ola alguem ai
[20:38] <Roberto> ???
[20:39] <Unit193> !es | rlameiro
[20:39] <Unit193> Erm...
[20:40] <rlameiro> ???????
[20:40] <Guest11296> Nao consigo atualizar meu umbunto fala que  esta qubrado  o que faço no caso ?
[20:40] <rlameiro> english
[20:40] <Guest11296> brasil
[20:41] <Guest11296> I can not update my ubumto says that this broken
[20:42] <Guest11296> ??
[20:43] <Unit193> Guest11296: Please see what ubottu said.
[20:43] <Unit193> !es | Guest11296
[20:43] <Unit193> rlameiro: Wrong tab complete, sorry.
[20:44] <rlameiro> Unit193, no prob :D
[20:45] <rlameiro> Guest11296, maybe try to update with apt-get update,
[20:45] <rlameiro> most of the it says to do a command that tries to fix the install
[20:49] <Guest11296> THE PROBLEM AND I AM A POOR TECHNICAL PROGRAMS
[20:49] <Guest11296> you would not have a VIDEO NOT TEACHING
[20:49] <Guest11296> ??


[02:39] <sarnold> doko: re gcc-8 build failures, https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/issues/971
[05:55] <tjaalton> ahasenack: 9.11.3 fixes the crash, I'll upload the merge
[10:34] <boichev> anyone having experience with checkinstall ? I am trying to add a php.ini file inside a build from source but at the end it never gets included .... i use --include=/usr/local/php/php.ini or a text file containing this path ...... no success
[12:11] <ahasenack> tjaalton: oh, cool find
[15:54] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: ping
[15:55] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: s3cmd does not run, and you appear to TIL (LP: #1763398)
[15:56] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: it appears to have a build- and run-time dependency on python3-distutils that is either not expressed explicitly or is not being parsed
[15:56] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: it's also broken in Debian
[16:41] <ginggs> doko: more distutils fun ^
[16:42] <nacc> ginggs: ref to the relevant change? was this a python3 change?
[16:46] <ginggs> nacc: I think it was here: https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python3.6/news/20180320T071954Z.html
[16:46] <nacc> ginggs: ah thanks
[16:50] <nacc> ginggs: and yeah, definitely direct fallout
[17:06] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, what I can do?
[17:07] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: i guess take my patch in debian so we can sync it later :)
[17:07] <nacc> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=895560
[17:07] <LocutusOfBorg> ok but why!
[17:07] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: if you had been around, i was going to ask you to help me understand the problem :)
[17:07] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: python3-distutils is no longer pulled in by python3
[17:07] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python3.6/news/20180320T071954Z.html
[17:08] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: you were the uploader to debian, which is why i pinged :)
[17:08] <LocutusOfBorg> hurray more python fine
[17:08] <nacc> maintainer, rather
[17:08] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, I'll upload now
[17:08] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: thanks!
[17:08] <nacc> LocutusOfBorg: i've already uploaded to bionic
[17:34] <ginggs> nacc: LocutusOfBorg: apparently adding a runtime dependency on distutils is *not* the desired solution
[17:37] <nacc> ginggs: what is?
[17:39] <ginggs> nacc: :) this is why I pinged doko, hoping he would explain
[17:39] <ginggs> nacc: here is an example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpaw/1.3.0-2ubuntu1
[17:42] <nacc> ginggs: i mean, yeah, sure, if i knew how to fix an upstream, i would have done that :-P
[17:57] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: how many bugs are you setting to Incomplete? Are you doing it strategically at all?
[18:06] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Sorry, what are you referring to?
[18:06] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1152399/comments/3
[18:11] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Ah. I inspected a decent chunk of bugs and put them in a script to set the statuses and leave the comments so I wouldn't have to click over and over and over again. I am finding out that while the majority of the bugs I set were fine, there were a few false ones, which have now been corrected, I believe.
[18:11] <tsimonq2> Sorry.
[18:12] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: So you are done then?
[18:13] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: I was done a week or so ago, yes.
[18:44] <Wimpress> bdmurray: Any chance this could be merged please?
[18:44] <Wimpress> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-release-upgrader/ubuntu-mate-bionic-update/+merge/342372
[18:52] <bdmurray> Wimpress: Does anything need to change for DistUpgrade.cfg.xenial for upgrades from 16.04? (I don't think so but would like a 2nd opinion.)
[18:52] <Wimpress> bdmurray: No, these changes are good for upgrades from 16.04 or 17.10.
[18:55] <bdmurray> Wimpress: To be clear the DistUpgrade.cfg file is read when the upgrade is being calculated and the section you are modifying is relevant for packages currently installed on the system so ubuntu-mate-cloudtop should still be in DistUpgrade.cfg.xenial because it is a valid meta package on 16.04.
[18:56] <Wimpress> bdmurray: OK, I'll add DistUpgrade.cfg.xenial so that ubuntu-mate-cloudtop is accounted for.
[18:56] <Wimpress> Thanks.
[18:56] <bdmurray> Wimpress: My point is I don't think you want to add it because it is a valid metapackage for that release.
[18:56] <bdmurray> s/add/remove it/
[20:00] <nacc> doko: fyi, netbeans is basically fundamentally broken and ftbfs now: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=894715
[20:01] <nacc> i'm going to check if it ftbfs in debian too, and if not, why not
[21:57] <jbicha> doko: I reported Debian bug 895574 I assume you understand the issue better than I do


[05:40] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[05:40] <CraigZ> Morning Kilos
[05:40] <Kilos> hi CraigZ
[16:41] <Kilos> elacheche hi
[16:42] <Kilos> please ask luna what time our reverification meeting will bee
[16:42] <Kilos> the za loco meeting


[08:54] <Shadow__X> which arm devices would mythbuntu run well on? is there a wiki post about it?
[10:01] <jasonnz> tgm4883: The master arm trusty build finished successfully today but didn't build with VPDAU suppot, it correctly in passed as an argument but not enabled - see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13888926/
[10:01] <jasonnz> s/suppot/support
[10:01] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[10:05] <ShapeShifter499> so the quick guide says "Do not select “Download updates while installing”   erm I did.... should I redo the install?
[10:07] <ShapeShifter499> I'll just redo it again
[10:17] <jasonnz> tgm4883: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/master/deb/debian/control.in#L43  libvdpau-dev etc is only installed on select architectures
[10:29] <jasonnz> Shadow__X: you didn't need to start again, is says that just so you don't needlessly download parkages that are going to get replaced with newer ones later
[10:36] <ShapeShifter499> jasonnz: was that directed at me
[10:36] <ShapeShifter499> ?
[10:37] <jasonnz> Sorry yeah autocompleted the wrong person :-)
[15:44] <superm1> jasonnz: thanks for that heads up; sorted it out here: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/6bed51cac100b06d6ed0c5613c0c856df77eef9a


[09:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: I have completed the DKMS part for the nvidia driver (for our new package)
[09:25] <tseliot> I'm uploading the source
[09:25] <tseliot> to my webspace
[09:29] <tjaalton> tseliot: did you use my debdiff as a base?
[09:31] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, of course
[09:31] <tjaalton> cool
[09:31] <tseliot> I'm working with you, not against you ;)
[09:32] <tjaalton> just to make sure ;)
[09:32] <tseliot> I'm reuploading the original too, just to be sure
[09:33] <tjaalton> could you make a debdiff against my version?
[09:33] <tseliot> sure
[09:33] <tjaalton> or any (unified) diff
[09:34] <tseliot> your debdiff was nvidia-split.debdiff, right?
[09:34] <tjaalton> yes
[09:43] <tseliot> tjaalton: here's the debdiff: http://www.albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/nvidia-dkms.debdiff
[09:44] <tseliot> Here are the files: http://www.albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.12.orig.tar.gz
[09:45] <tseliot> http://www.albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.12-4ubuntu2.diff.gz
[09:45] <tseliot> http://www.albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.12-4ubuntu2.dsc
[09:45] <tseliot> http://www.albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/nvidia-graphics-drivers_169.12-4ubuntu2_source.changes
[09:48] <tjaalton> why have you removed files that doesn't matter being there (debian.binary)? it only makes the diff large
[09:51] <tjaalton> *don't
[09:54] <tjaalton> seems like the diff'ed target was unclean, since it had nvidia-kernel/
[09:54] <tseliot> ok, let me do it again
[09:55] <tjaalton> but there were a bunch of files you've removed by hand. it should be enough to comment stuff out from rules
[09:55] <tjaalton> makes it a lot easier to merge in the future
[09:55] <tseliot> ok
[09:56] <tjaalton> see, I'm saving your time ;)
[09:57] <tseliot> it looks like I did a debclean before doing the debdiff
[09:57] <tseliot> can you get the source from my website?
[09:58] <tjaalton> hmm don't bump the version since no version has been uploaded
[09:58] <tjaalton> but yes, I'll get it
[09:59] <tseliot> tjaalton: doing a debdiff with the same version is not possible ;)
[09:59] <tjaalton> diff -Naur is fine too
[09:59] <tseliot> next time I'll just do a diff
[10:00] <tjaalton> umm, did you change the tarball?
[10:01] <tjaalton> at least the size differs, so it's not built with the tarball from debian
[10:01] <tseliot> tjaalton: honestly, I don't remember the reason why I did it. I'm working on a lot of things and my memory sucks
[10:02] <tseliot> tjaalton: I think I have just regenerated the orig, the code is the same
[10:03] <tjaalton> you can't touch the tarball :/
[10:03] <tseliot> i.e. Debian's + yours
[10:05] <tjaalton> I can't extract the package
[10:05] <tseliot> I'll reupload the diff done with the original orig file
[10:05] <tjaalton> because the tarball is not the same as in debian
[10:05] <tjaalton> cool
[10:06] <tseliot> try now. If it doesn't work I'll download the orig from debian again
[10:07] <tseliot> the links to the files are the same in my webspace
[10:08] <tjaalton> yep, worked this time
[10:08] <tseliot> ok, great
[10:10] <tjaalton> yeah, diff is much better
[10:11] <tseliot> I had to recreate the orig for the lrm-envy, maybe this confused me a bit, I don't know... ;)
[10:13] <tjaalton> you modified the copyright?
[10:13] <tjaalton> the ftp url
[10:13] <tseliot> in which file?
[10:13] <tjaalton> debian/copyright
[10:14] <tseliot> no, I guess not
[10:14] <tseliot> why should I have done such a thing?
[10:14] <tjaalton> -ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/169.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-169.12-pkg2.run
[10:14] <tjaalton> +ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg0.run
[10:14] <tjaalton> you tell me :)
[10:14] <tjaalton> the same change (pkg2->pkg0) is in several other files
[10:15] <tseliot> pkg2 is for 64bit while pkg0 is for 32bit
[10:15] <tjaalton> maybe that's generated
[10:15] <tseliot> furthermore that file is generated from the .in
[10:15] <tjaalton> right, so no problem there
[10:16] <tjaalton> actually, lrm had pkg1 & pkg2.. wonder what's the difference between pkg0 & pkg1
[10:17] <tseliot> pkg0 doesn't contain the pre-built modules
[10:17] <tseliot> for SUSE, Redhat, etc.
[10:17] <tseliot> therefore it's smaller
[10:17] <tjaalton> ok, so it was a "bug" in lrm
[10:18] <tseliot> yes, it wasted our bandwidth
[10:20] <tseliot> pkg0 9.7MB, pkg1 16.8MB :-)
[10:20] <tjaalton> yep
[10:21] <tjaalton> you removed n-k-s.NEWS? although it's useless, it shouldn't matter being there and making the diff smaller
[10:22] <tseliot> I guess I did it. You can put it back
[10:23] <tjaalton> ok, so I'll merge the rest, and then change the epoch etc. Then testing on hardy
[10:24] <tseliot> the driver won't be loaded in hardy though. Maybe remove the lrm first
[10:25] <tjaalton> I know it won't be, but it should work there
[10:31] <tjaalton> does lrm-common conflict with the new package?
[10:31] <tjaalton> functionally
[10:32] <tseliot> it should
[10:32] <tseliot> and we should get rid of lrm-common anyway
[10:32] <tjaalton> it's not a problem with the new lrm that'll get in intrepid
[10:32] <tjaalton> probably won't exist there
[10:33] <tseliot> but of course it will be a problem if we decide to backport the driver to hardy
[10:34] <tjaalton> nope
[10:34] <tjaalton> won't happen
[10:35] <tseliot> which one won't happen? The problem or the backport?
[10:35] <tjaalton> backport
[10:35] <tseliot> ok, then
[10:36] <tseliot> and users will get the updated drivers through envyng therefore no backport will be needed ;)
[10:37] <tjaalton> right, I won't take the risk of updating lrm
[10:38] <tseliot> ok, then
[15:28] <superm1> tseliot, tjaalton haven't talked to you for a bit, so i wanted to see where you were at w/ dkms support on the nvidia packages?
[15:36] <tseliot> superm1: this morning I gave tjaalton the part about dkms. However we have yet to work on the control file and on the diversions
[15:36] <superm1> so likely this stuff won't be ready for intrepid alpha 1 :(
[15:43] <tseliot> superm1: do you need the nvidia driver?
[15:54] <superm1> tseliot, i was going to do some initial testing on intrepid for some next generation laptops once the alpha came out
[15:54] <superm1> and some of them contain nvidia, so this seemed appropriate to test at the same time
[16:00] <tseliot> superm1: ok, I'll see what I can do to speed up this process. What's the deadline for the 1st alpha of Intrepid?
[16:18] <tjaalton> tseliot: you can continue working on the version you gave me (including my comments). I didn't have time to merge it with my tree today, but maybe I can do some testing tomorrow
[16:19] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok ;)
[18:37] <jcristau> it should be possible to sync libx11 now
[20:27] <mnemo> in what ubuntu package does the /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so file ship?
[20:29] <jcristau> libgl1-mesa-dri
[20:30] <jcristau> packages.ubuntu.com would have told you that i think
[20:30] <tjaalton> dpkg -S foo will tell, or dlocate
[20:30] <tjaalton> phew, my vdr box decided to overheat right in the middle of an upgrade
[20:30] <mnemo> excellent thanks... give a man a fish, heh ;)
[20:31] <tjaalton> no keyboard/monitor.. the kernel booted fine though
[20:35] <tjaalton> gotta love the robustness of dpkg/apt..
[20:36] <bryce> heya
[20:37] <tjaalton> hi
[20:38] <bryce> I added a notes field to http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html
[20:39] <bryce> it can be edited at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/PackageNotes
[20:39] <tjaalton> yep, I saw that, it's useful
[20:40] <tjaalton> libx11 could be synced, as jcristau pointed out
[20:41]  * bryce nods
[20:41] <bryce> I'll go ahead and put a request in for it; I was wondering about that
[20:41] <tjaalton> and, blech.. v4l needs an epoch to be able to sync it
[20:42] <jcristau> oh?
[20:42] <tjaalton> should be the last one <knocksonwood>
[20:42] <jcristau> sigh
[20:44] <tjaalton> yeah, it was there from the first release
[20:45] <tjaalton> which is a bit silly