[00:05] <len_> Todays iso is a bust. Networking still broken, Install broken.
[00:06] <len_> Ubiquity says the install is finished and when I reboot i get no os list. just binkin' cursor.
[00:08] <len_> None of the install logs seem to have been written to the drive either, so I can't find out what happened. I guess I will have to try again and copy the logs from memory to a disk.
[00:09] <len_> Something is failing with the install/updating of grub.
[01:08] <ScottL> len_, cjwatson says that tomorrow's image should be better, but there is still an issue of the pre-seed happening after the install which is a ubiquity bug
[01:10] <len_> Do I still file the bug report? The networking bug is a big one. No wireless connect.
[01:10] <len_> Sorry, ScottL ^^
[02:07] <len_> ScottL: filed Bug #924064 on install fail.
[02:38] <ScottL> len_, sorry, i was getting daughter to clean room and cleaning dishes, i think astraljava already filed a bug for the ubiquity crash
[02:49] <micahg> ScottL: sorry, I accidentally uploaded ubuntustudio-default-settings as me instead of you
[02:49] <len_> Scottl: I think his is slightly different...
[02:50] <len_> When I filed mine it didn't pull up any list of close bugs
[02:50] <ScottL> micahg, i'm not worried about it, i'm just worried about getting the packages upload :)
[02:51] <len_> It seems to be saying the packages are not there, but when I look at the iso  find them
[02:52] <ScottL> this is astraljava's bug:  bug 923830
[02:52] <ScottL> len_, can you check if they are duplicates, if so mark one of them as duplicate?
[02:53] <len_> it seems to me his is only if he clicked on the upgrade ubiquity link.
[02:53] <ScottL> oh, okay :)
[02:53] <ScottL> thank you, though :)
[03:42] <len_> ScottL: Looked at both bug reports side by and they are two different versions of ubiquity and the contents of the installer debug file are different too.
[15:31] <scott-work> TheMuso: any progress on checking the kernel?
[15:31]  * scott-work is starting to get nervous about this :/
[15:37] <astraljava> Hmm... yeah, A-2 on Thursday already.
[15:38] <falktx> astraljava: hey
[15:40] <astraljava> falktx: Howdy!
[15:41] <knome> hmm. anyone willing to work on the ubuntu studio installer slideshow?? :)
[15:41] <knome> holstein?
[15:42] <holstein> knome: yup
[15:42]  * astraljava whistles innocently while walking away
[15:42] <holstein> knome: what do you need from me?
[15:42] <holstein> im preparing for a rehersal right now, but im going to be done in 30 minuts or so, and i'll have some time :)
[15:43] <knome> holstein, can you list things that you want in the slideshow?
[15:43] <falktx> astraljava: do you know what to do for the ubiquity plugin? I'm completely in the dark...
[15:44] <holstein> knome: tbh, id be fine with one static image
[15:44] <holstein> or the slides from your WP thing
[15:45] <holstein> was that your WP thing?
[15:45] <astraljava> falktx: Not really, I never did find the time when I was supposed to, and then set it aside when Scott told you started working on it. But I can have a look.
[15:45] <knome> holstein, yyp.
[15:45] <knome> holstein, okay, i'll copy those.
[15:45] <knome> holstein, can you at some stage check the content?
[15:45] <holstein> knome: i like those, and i think that would give us a consistent look
[15:45] <holstein> otherwise, i could try and fake what our theme will be, and get some appropriate screenies
[15:46] <falktx> astraljava: I feel kinda stupid... it probably is easy, I just don't see it
[15:46] <knome> holstein, i'll have to see how to incorporate the background images to the slideshow. the space is more limited there
[15:46] <astraljava> falktx: Heh, yeah. I get that at work a lot. :) No worries, we can figure it out. :)
[15:46] <knome> holstein, so actually, shots might be better
[15:47] <holstein> knome: i could try and chew on that over the next few weeks
[15:47] <holstein> ask scott-work what our theme will be like
[15:47] <knome> right...
[15:47] <holstein> and go from there
[15:47] <falktx> astraljava: thanks! Currently I feel like if I keep trying I'll only get more frustated
[15:47] <holstein> knome: whats our timeframe?
[15:47] <astraljava> falktx: I know the feeling. :)
[15:47] <knome> holstein, deadline is UIfreeze @ Feb 23
[15:48] <holstein> knome: thats doable
[15:48] <holstein> knome: let me get back with you maybe early next week
[15:48] <holstein> see how far ive come
[15:48] <knome> ok, thanks
[15:49] <astraljava> falktx: I got a feeling that we should first concentrate on the ubiquity/plugins/ stuff. We can use examples from edubuntu on that one, and I'm looking at them right now.
[15:50] <knome> astraljava, can you keep xubuntu in your mind too? :)
[15:51] <falktx> astraljava: many thanks man, you deserve a medal!
[15:51] <astraljava> knome: Let me practice with ours, first, and then I can do it for Xubuntu. Can you make some sort of a task of it for me? Do you have any trackers for such?
[15:51] <knome> astraljava, sure, just a sec. what's your lp username?
[15:51] <falktx> better, an ubuntu trophy!
[15:51] <astraljava> falktx: Nah... I'm only just getting into this stuff. I have been away from the dev stuff for way too long. Taking the final steps now. :)
[15:51] <astraljava> knome: same as nick.
[15:52] <knome> astraljava, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-xubuntu-ubiquity-application-sets
[15:55] <astraljava> knome: Excellent, thanks!
[16:24] <holstein> knome: question... size? format?... can i give them to you ready to drop in with text on them?
[16:25] <holstein> if i wanted to get one of the current slides... where would that be?
[16:25] <holstein> i could just copy that
[16:25] <holstein> as far as style, etc...
[16:25] <knome> 440x370 if we use the same as in xubuntu slides
[16:25] <knome> just provide me with the shots + text
[16:25] <knome> i'll handle the rest
[16:26] <knome> if you want to "cut" windows from the right+bottom edges, then use 450x410
[16:26] <knome> let me post you some examples
[16:27] <holstein> so, just give you an image, and what text i want, and you'll do the overlay? or you want me to go ahead and add the text?
[16:28] <knome> just a sec
[16:31] <knome> holstein, see: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/
[16:32] <knome> holstein, look at abiword_slide.png first
[16:32] <knome> holstein, i need the title + text + shot
[16:32] <knome> holstein, (menu "paths" are included in "text", if you want those)
[16:33] <holstein> hmmmm
[16:33] <knome> holstein, if you want a shot like abiword, which is cut from right+left, it should be 450x410
[16:33] <holstein> just when you think something is going to be easy ;)
[16:33] <knome> holstein, if like "desktop_slide.png", gimme 440x370
[16:34] <knome> holstein, do you want me to clarify something?
[16:35] <holstein> knome: so, im going to give you want i want for a title, and what text i want, and a screenie
[16:35] <holstein> and you put it all together?
[16:35] <knome> yes
[16:35] <holstein> OK
[16:35] <holstein> now its back to something i can do...
[16:35] <knome> ;)
[16:36] <knome> i'll naturally tweak the background image and stuff to fit ubuntu studio a bit better
[16:36] <knome> don't worry about that
[16:36] <holstein> when i saw those buttons i said "dammit"
[16:36] <knome> heh ;)
[16:36] <knome> well, the slideshow jquery handles most of that
[16:40] <holstein> scott-work: ping
[16:44] <scott-work> holstein: pong
[16:44] <scott-work> holstein: the theme should look exceptionally like xubuntu's now
[16:44] <scott-work> perhaps tomorrow's image, maybe today's image
[16:45] <scott-work> holstein: you can read the guidelines linked in the roadmap wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap) for specs on the ubiquity images/text
[16:47] <holstein> scott-work: so.. our theme
[16:47] <holstein> whats the plan?
[16:47] <holstein> i want to kind of fake that for some screenshots
[16:48] <holstein> i dont think its as big of a deal just getting windows images
[16:48] <scott-work> holstein: the -default-settings, -icon-theme, and -look packages that micahg helped me upload set the theme
[16:49] <scott-work> holstein: they should be in today's image possibly, but most certainly in tomorrow's image
[16:49] <knome> scott-work, right, i didn't catch you had a draft for the slideshow too ;) we can use any other layout too, but i think 1 shot per slide is quite maximum, taking into account that the slideshow window should fit in the resolution...
[16:49] <micahg> scott-work: I hope everything is working right ;)
[16:49] <knome> if not, you can just try the xubuntu image ;)
[16:49] <holstein> scott-work: cool :)
[16:50] <astraljava> knome: Are you suggesting us joining forces and projects? :D
[16:50] <knome> lol, no.
[16:50] <knome> i'm just trying to steal all the possible workforce from US.
[16:50] <astraljava> That's fine. We're leeching at full speed from you guys, too.
[16:51] <knome> yeah ;)
[16:51] <charlie-tca> milestone testing for alpha2 today and tomorrow. Is anyone able to run the US images?
[16:51] <astraljava> knome: Well, actually, if I do this ubiquity thing for Xubuntu, then I'm practically one of 'you', right? :D
[16:52] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I will, for sure.
[16:52] <knome> astraljava, sure! ;)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> great! I will run what I can, but it is going to be a time battle here
[16:53] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Absolutely. Don't worry about us/US, you got your hands full with Xubuntu.
[16:53] <astraljava> charlie-tca: But thanks for all support, anyway!
[16:53] <astraljava> Are the images up, btw.?
[16:54] <astraljava> Seem to be.
[16:54] <astraljava> zsyncing now.
[16:54] <charlie-tca> yes, I show the images dated 2012-01-30 in the iso tracker
[16:55] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i'll be testing as well
[16:56] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i guess i need to resubscribe the to the test since they moved to the new tracker
[16:56] <charlie-tca> That helps. Usually want up to 5 tests on each one
[16:56] <scott-work> anyone have the link handy for the new tracker?  is it more than an ip yet?
[16:56] <charlie-tca> My email still works telling me the images are up. But I might have resubscribed last time
[16:57] <charlie-tca> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds
[16:57] <charlie-tca> but it took me three times to get the thing up
[16:57]  * scott-work has a series of meetings to go to and probably will only be online spotty until mid-afternoon....i greatly dislike bloody meetings
[16:57] <astraljava> scott-work: We don't have any test cases up, yet.
[16:57] <astraljava> I will head on to -testing to find out why.
[16:57] <charlie-tca> after I logged in, it won't show me any tests first
[16:58] <astraljava> Oh?
[16:58] <scott-work> crap, that might be a left over from us not wanting to test A1
[16:58] <scott-work> astraljava: please talk to someone about it
[16:58] <charlie-tca> No, it wouldn't show anything
[16:58] <astraljava> scott-work: Yep, I will.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> astraljava: you do
[16:58] <charlie-tca> try going to the home page and picking alpha2 again
[16:59] <charlie-tca> ah, crap
[16:59] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I just did, went all the way up to the starting page.
[16:59] <charlie-tca> sorry. I see it now.
[16:59] <astraljava> That's fine, I'll be talking about it now.
[16:59] <charlie-tca> They put the image on but no tests required, huh?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> it them in #ubuntu-release for that.
[17:00] <astraljava> Oh ok, I'll ask there as well.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> If you don't get an answer in a couple of minutes, try stgraber directly in -release.
[17:02] <astraljava> They're busy, I'm sure they'll react soon enough. :)
[17:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:03] <charlie-tca> jibel got you covered
[17:05] <astraljava> Yep, thanks.
[17:51] <astraljava> micahg: If you have time at some point to explain (and try to make me understand) the ~ubuntu-branches/* stuff, I'd be thrilled! :) Currently I'm under the assumption that they are created from other branches, but if so, then I don't understand where the edubuntu ubiquity/plugins/ stuff reside.
[17:52] <micahg> astraljava: that's a team placeholder for the lp:ubuntu/foo stuff
[17:52] <micahg> since branches are team owned, not project owned
[17:53] <scott-work> astraljava: the blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd) has the link to the plugin directory i believe
[17:54] <scott-work> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/edubuntu-live/precise/files/head:/livecd/ubiquity/
[17:54] <astraljava> scott-work: Can you tell me the branch that I would then re-branch for US?
[17:54] <astraljava> Cause I sure don't.
[17:55] <astraljava> can't*
[18:04] <astraljava> micahg: So, some team relating to edubuntu owns the branch lp:ubuntu/edubuntu-live, and I need to create lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-live somewhere, is that so?
[18:05] <micahg> astraljava: no, the lp:ubuntu/foo branches are created on upload
[18:05] <astraljava> Right. I'm really stumped as to where I could find the original source branch that holds the ubiquity/plugins/ stuff, then.
[18:06] <micahg> astraljava: ask stgraber?
[18:06] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, I will. Thanks for your help!
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: AFAIUI, I'm now creating the ubuntustudio-live package, basing it from lp:ubuntu/edubuntu-live branch. Let's see how it works out.
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: There's not that much work, but I need to go through all of the files, to make sure none of the edubuntu stuff is left.
[18:49] <scott-work> astraljava: cool, thanks!
[20:32] <astraljava> scott-work: ailo: len: holstein: ISO tracker has test cases now, so LET'S GO! :)
[20:34] <astraljava> I'm personally just waiting to sync my .ogg's, so that my listening is uninterrupted while testing. :D
[20:51] <len> astraljava: just got in the door and went through the above. I'll start DL.
[20:52] <astraljava> len: Excellent! Thanks! :)
[20:53] <len> astraljava: maybe not... it is still the jan30 iso which is broken. Xubuntu has a new one but we don't
[20:55] <astraljava> len: Damnit, you're right. One second. Err... well a couple.
[20:58] <astraljava> Yeah, sorry folks. No ETA at the moment. Carry on with your previously scheduled programme.
[20:59] <astraljava> At least 4 hours, still.
[21:02] <scott-work> astraljava: 4 hours until the next iso is ready?  is that because someone is respinning it?  if so, is the respin for a particular reason?
[21:03] <astraljava> scott-work: _At least_ 4 hours. And yes, there's a new kernel upload on the way,
[21:04] <len> astraljava: So Xubuntu will get a new one too? Or is that our kernel?
[21:05] <astraljava> len: We don't have our own, yet.
[21:06] <len> Ok, I'm DL Xubuntu Jan31 so I will know if any problems I find are unique to US.
[21:06] <astraljava> len: Perfect. Thanks!
[22:09] <len> astraljava: I had most of the xubuntu alt iso so I DL that first. So far it seems to have the same wireless auth bug as the US has since jan29 (and jan 30)
[22:10] <len> We need someone else to test the wireless stuff so that the bug can be confirmed.
[22:10] <holstein> :?
[22:10] <holstein> :/
[22:10] <holstein> i cant til maybe tomorrow
[22:11] <holstein> ill check in then though
[22:11] <len> Anyway, I am installing Xubuntu jan31 alt while xubuntu live DL while waiting for US to be published.
[22:11] <len> holstein: thnks
[22:12] <len> wlan connect is a big deal for me.
[22:13] <holstein> len: well, some might disable it, and i do on my studio rigs, but if it ships, it should work, or at least be able to work
[22:13] <astraljava> len: Alright. But in all fairness, the comparisons should be made against their desktop image, as that's the equivalent of ours, really.
[22:14] <len> Its downloading
[22:14] <astraljava> holstein: Tomorrow's fine. The release of A-2 is on Thursday.
[22:15] <len> I had the alt from when I was comparing to our alt so zsync was quick, live is still an hour away.
[22:15] <astraljava> Ahh... ok, sorry. :)
[23:21] <len> Weird, It looks like a dhcp problem... same dhcp server for wired or wireless, wired works wireless doesn't. Wireless seems to use a different dhcp client.


[07:10] <dpm> good morning everyone
[17:03] <mhall119> is the ARB taking submissions for Precise now, or just Oneiric?
[17:23] <zoopster> mhall119: still oneiric although there is testing for precise
[17:24] <mhall119> zoopster: so can I start submitting things for Precise?
[17:25] <zoopster> mhall119: you won't have the ability to dictate what distroseries, but you can submit and note in the comments that it is for precise if you wish
[17:25] <zoopster> mhall119: right now everything that goes in defaults to oneiric
[17:25] <dpm> mhall119, are you thinking of submitting some new cool lenses? :)
[17:26] <mhall119> dpm: I am
[17:26] <zoopster> yeah!
[17:26] <dpm> awesome
[17:26] <dpm> bring them in!
[17:27] <zoopster> mhall119: just note that it is for precise and we'll target it to that
[17:28] <zoopster> mhall119: do they work on oneiric too or precise only?
[17:29] <mhall119> zoopster: one of the other, because Unity 5 changed the API
[17:29] <zoopster> mhall119: ah ok gotcha
[17:29] <mhall119> zoopster: dpm: can you guys join #ubuntu-arb?
[17:37] <dpm> mhall119, I'm already in there


[03:11] <holycow> hey guys
[03:11] <holycow> i have an issue with dapper installer on intel chipsets
[03:11] <holycow> the terminal gets hosed 3/4's of the way through with no appearent way to continue or fix it
[03:12] <holycow> i suspect its a driver issue but hard to tell, would this be a kernel issue or a d-i issue?
[04:26] <newz2000> Hi, I reported bug #96679 and I want to fill in the additional info needed to diagnose the bug...
[04:27] <newz2000> I can't get online when I boot 2.6.20-13, the bug is related to power management
[04:27] <newz2000> is there anything besides uname, dmesg and lspci that will help?
[04:34] <newz2000> ok, well, I'll get that and get back to you
[09:24] <Mithrandir> BenC: do you think including the kqemu module by default would make sense?
[09:34] <Mithrandir> BenC: also, I'm thinking about removing all kernel modules older than 2.6.20 ones (like multiverse/misc/vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-23, restricted/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386 ); I guess you don't mind if I do that?
[09:55] <jml> suspend and resume works on my macbook now.
[09:55] <jml> I love you guys so much.
[11:28] <AnAnt> Hello, the -12 & -13 kernels won't boot on my laptop
[11:28] <AnAnt> I just done an update now
[11:36] <AnAnt> ping ?
[11:37] <varka> AnAnt: perhaps you have more luck in #ubuntu+1
[11:43] <AnAnt> isn't that a kernel issue that should be reported ?
[01:49] <BenC> Mithrandir: I can look into the qemu thing...removing old modules sounds fine
[01:50] <Mithrandir> BenC: I can't get it to boot in vmware either, so either it's really busted or I am incompetent.  I haven't tried on real hardware yet.
[01:50] <AnAnt> BenC: the -12 & -13 kernels won't boot on my laptop, I just done an upgrade today
[01:52] <shawarma> Should http://launchpad.net/bugs/94637 be fixed in the daily server images from the 26th?
[01:56] <pkl_> AnAnt: can you file a bug in launchpad, giving the usual details (dmesg, lspci, dmidecode etc.).  Thanks
[01:56] <shawarma> Ah... uname -v says "Mar 21", so I guess not.
[01:56] <AnAnt> pkl_: I can't boot, so can I give dmesg,lspci,... output ?!
[01:57] <pkl_> AnAnt: can you boot using an older kernel (i.re. -10 or -11) and use that?
[01:58] <AnAnt> pkl_: ok, is there something else other than dmesg,lspci & dmidecode
[01:59] <pkl_> AnAnt: plus when you're booting the -12 and -13 kernels, removing quiet and splash from the Grub kernel line may allow you to see what happened (does it go to a busybox prompt?)
[01:59] <pkl_> no, dmesg, lspci and dmicode should be everything needed :)
[01:59] <AnAnt> pkl_: nope, I just get a message like waiting for root partition
[02:00] <pkl_> AnAnt:  I think there's a couple of other users experiencing similar problems.
[02:01] <shawarma> AnAnt: https://launchpad.net/bugs/75681  ?
[02:02] <AnAnt> shawarma: no, I don't use LVM
[02:02] <shawarma> AnAnt: Ok.
[02:03] <pkl_> shawarma: no, that's quite an old bug.  This bug look like it's caused by recent libata changes to the -12 and -13 kernels.
[02:04] <pkl_> AnAnt: if you file a bug with the above info, it will be looked at.  If it is a duplicate, we'll deal with it then.
[02:05] <shawarma> pkl_: Alright. I just joined the conversation just now and it sounded familiar.
[02:05] <pkl_> shawarma: no problem, there's a lot of these bugs. all looking the same :)
[02:07] <shawarma> pkl_: There sure is. :-)
[03:04] <ph8> hi guys - has anyone complained about .13 latest shutting down their PCs because they're 'too hot' ?
[03:05] <ph8> -13 sorry
[03:05] <ph8> i've switched back to -12 and it's not happening anymore
[05:23] <gicmo_> whois kylem
[05:23] <gicmo_> args
[05:23] <gicmo_> ;-)
[05:24] <gicmo_> kylem: ok, you are that kyle ;-) Just wanted to let you know that I am also here and alive if you have any questions regarding https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96692
[05:27] <kylem> thanks.
[05:30] <mjg59> gicmo_: I've just added a comment
[05:31] <gicmo_> hey Matthew!
[05:31] <gicmo_> long time no see
[05:32] <gicmo_> former youth-hostel roommate in stuttgardt ;-)
[05:32] <gicmo_> personally I am more bothered of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96480 though
[05:34] <gicmo_> mjg59: *sigh* ;-)
[05:35] <mjg59> Gralghngh.
[05:35] <mjg59> Maybe that's why my battery status has vanished.
[05:37] <gicmo_> mjg59: so any idea how to solve that nasty IDE slowness bug? .. maybe its claims to be and old IDE because of bootcamp or something
[05:38] <mjg59> Kyle and I have a couple of ideaas
[05:38] <mjg59> But it involves special-casing Apple hardware
[05:38] <gicmo_> mjg59: you get a beer in Birmingham if you make my MacPro fast again. My X60 tablet is faster
[05:39] <gicmo_> of course on the tablet the pen doesnt work when display is rotated, I wanted to file another bug for that, but I forgot
[05:39] <gicmo_> linux & hardware ;-)
[05:43] <gicmo_> also, if you need somebody to test stuff regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/96480, I am very willing to do that
[05:44] <sterwill> Me too.  I've love to run the latest kernel.  :)
[05:48] <sterwill> Since Boot Camp's BIOS stuff is magic (there's no user interface as far as I know), would it be possible to write a Linux utility that set the SATA controller to show up as an AHCI device (like a PC BIOS can do)?  Maybe that's impossible or it wouldn't survive a reboot.  I don't know much about these things.
[05:48] <kylem> sterwill, yes.
[05:49] <kylem> man setpci
[05:49] <mjg59> It wouldn't survive a reboot
[05:49] <sterwill> That was my worry.
[05:49] <kylem> mjg59, so do it in the initramfs.
[05:49] <kylem> ;-)
[05:50] <gicmo_> ohh
[05:50] <gicmo_> sounds magic
[05:50] <sterwill> I understand the bind the kernel AHCI maintainers are in.  Apple doesn't follow the rules, and they don't want to hack up the detection code because it may affect other uses of this controller (which were specifically assigned to run in "piix mode" or whatever the term).
[05:51] <sterwill> Am I right in thinking that if the Apple firmware allowed boot-time configuration of the controller like a PC BIOS might, the card would be correctly detected via AHCI?
[05:52] <kylem> yes
[05:52] <mjg59> That would depend on what configuration it allowed
[05:52] <kylem> all the PC BIOS does is poke config space and initialize the controller
[05:52] <sterwill> Assume it has a "[X]  AHCI mode" setting.  I've seen SATA controllers have these options in PC BIOSes.
[05:53] <exoide> Hi, can someone give me some reference about the .symtab section in an ELF file?
[05:53] <mjg59> sterwill: Assuming it had that option, then yes, it would come up as ahci
[05:54] <kylem> exoide, http://flint.cs.yale.edu/cs422/doc/ELF_Format.pdf
[05:55] <sterwill> The initramfs thing intrigues me.  I don't know much about it.  I stopped building all my own Linux kernels back before boot-time RAM filesystems were used.  :)
[05:55] <sterwill> I know what the RAM fs is used for, but I don't know how to build in scripts/utilities.
[05:55] <exoide> kylem, Is that pdf the TIS specification 1.2?
[05:55] <ivoks> kylem: dapper kernel is under your survailance? :)
[05:56] <kylem> ivoks, yeah
[05:56] <gicmo_> hmm but since it was already working correctly with the AHCI driver if I hacked in that thing in the ahic table if we did that setpci magic in initramfs the ahci driver would pick up the device and it would work just fine? ;-)
[05:56] <ivoks> kylem: there are some funny stuff with serial ports
[05:56] <sterwill> gicmo: Hope so.  :)
[05:56] <mjg59> gicmo_: If you did it early enough, yes
[05:56] <ivoks> kylem: i can't get modem to work :/
[05:56] <mjg59> But less than ideal
[05:56] <kylem> ivoks, file a bug? i'll look at it after feisty kernel freeze.
[05:56] <ivoks> kylem: i did...
[05:56] <kylem> ah
[05:56] <kylem> what bug #
[05:57] <ivoks> sec...
[05:57] <gicmo_> mjg59: hmm right, if you find something better i'll be happy
[05:58] <ivoks> bug #77467
[05:58] <ivoks> kylem: 77467
[05:58] <exoide> kylem, I've read that documentation and It's not enough for me
[05:58] <exoide> kylem, I'm doing a code generator for Linux and I need to know a little more about that section
[05:58] <kylem> so look at binutils, this isn't on topic for this channel.
[05:58] <kylem> ivoks, thanks
[05:59] <exoide> kylem, Can you suggest me a channel?
[05:59] <exoide> kylem, I've tried a lot of channel but nobody answer my question :-(
[05:59] <mjg59> gicmo_: If it needs to be done, it should be done in the kernel
[06:00] <gicmo_> mjg59: fair enough
[06:01] <sterwill> mjg59: Adding the ID to the AHCI list is bad for two reasons: it's hacky because Apple should be using the correct AHCI ID class in the first place; the controller can also be piix and maybe the user wants it that way.  Is this right?
[06:01] <sterwill> Just trying to get things straight for my own knowlege.
[06:01] <mjg59> Yes
[06:03] <sterwill> I had similar fun getting the sound card to work right.  They use Intel's HDA audio chipset but changed all the mixer assignments around.
[06:03] <crimsun> oh, but sigmatels are Oh So Fun.
[06:03] <crimsun> (I suppose they're a bit "better" than Realteks, but that's not any consolation.)
[06:04] <sterwill> I poked through the sigmatel and realtek driver code.  There are a ton of configurations out there.
[06:05] <crimsun> And there will be many more. There are at least three for Mac/Pros alone.
[06:05] <gicmo_> crimsun: omg
[06:05] <sterwill> I didn't know there was more than one Mac Pro sound configuration.  MacBook Pro has a few.
[07:11] <yorokobi> Is SELinux built into any of the kernels for Fiesty?
[07:12] <BenC> it is there but must be enabled with a kernel command line option
[07:13] <BenC> selinux=1 I think?
[07:13] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[07:13] <yorokobi> I've tried that with the generic kernel. dmesg says SELinux is initialized but all of the command-line commands say its disabled.
[07:14] <BenC> I think there's some userspace stuff to it too
[07:14] <yorokobi> And there are no audit entries in /var/log/messages
[07:14] <BenC> if the kernel says it's enabled, then userspace has to take care of the rest
[07:14] <yorokobi> Yeah, I have /selinux and all that
[07:14] <Mithrandir> you need to install a policy
[07:14] <yorokobi> Targeted is installed
[07:14] <BenC> right, there's a lot to it, from what I understand
[07:15] <yorokobi> Yeah, I had it working in 6.06 then decided to format/reinstall ...
[07:15] <yorokobi> oh well, I'll play around a bit more and try to find out what I missed.
[07:15] <BenC> selinux-basics, selinux-policy-default packages for starters
[07:16] <BenC> yorokobi: probably some info on wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:17] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[07:17] <BenC> mjg59: after talking with jgarzik, I've synced our kernel to libata-dev#upstream git
[07:18] <BenC> mjg59: Checking through some things, I noticed that prior to that, "int noacpi;" in libata-core.c was not initialized, so I suspect it was always disabling acpi by default
[07:18] <yorokobi> Argh, gotta put out a fire :) Thanks for your help everyone.
[07:18] <kylem> BenC, uh.
[07:18] <BenC> mjg59: In the new code base, libata_noacpi is set to 1 to by default, jeff says there were regressions
[07:18] <kylem> BenC, global variables are initialized to 0.
[07:18] <BenC> kylem: non-static globals are initialized to 0?
[07:18] <mjg59> BenC: The GTM/STM stuff is required
[07:19] <kylem> BenC, yes
[07:19] <kylem> by .bss
[07:19] <kylem> if you put = 0, they end up in .data and take space in the binary. kind of funny.
[07:19] <BenC> I didn't think global vars went into bss
[07:19] <BenC> maybe I need to refamiliarize myself with some compiler basics :)
[07:20] <BenC> mjg59: Ok, so if I use your patch, then I should be able to have libata_noacpi=0 by default?
[07:20] <kylem> maybe i'm on glue. but i don't think so.
[07:21] <mjg59> BenC: The _GTF code still needs cleaning up a little, so may need to be disabled
[07:21] <mjg59> BenC: But I've got a cleaner patch for you
[07:21] <mjg59> Just let me take a look at what's in -upstream
[07:21] <BenC> mjg59: I already applied yours, so can you patch against git?
[07:22] <mjg59> BenC: Ah, hrm. Might be easiest to revert mine. Give me a couple of minute?
[07:22] <BenC> sure
[07:25] <BenC> 0000000c g     O .bss   00000004 noacpi
[07:25] <BenC> kylem: You were right
[07:25] <kylem> BenC, i don't think i am...
[07:25] <kylem> oh. maybe i am.
[07:26] <BenC> I wonder if that's implementation dependent type stuff
[07:29] <mrec> BenC: I wonder if you had a look at the em28xx stuff lately, you can just pull the changes over the v4l-dvb repository which is on linuxtv.org or pull it directly/completly from mcentral.de now
[07:30] <BenC> mjg59: ata_acpi_push_timings() needs to be static inline for the !CONFIG_SATA_ACPI case
[07:30] <BenC> get multiple defs when building otherwise
[07:32] <BenC> it was defined extern void
[07:32] <BenC> *declared
[07:33] <mjg59> BenC: Ok. Can you revert mine, and add http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.21-rc4/2.6.21-rc4-mm1/broken-out/libata-acpi-add-infrastructure-for-drivers-to-use.patch
[07:34] <mjg59> and http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/libata-pata-gtm
[07:34] <BenC> mjg59: yep, thanks
[07:34] <mjg59> If you can push those, then I'll tidy up the integration with Jeff's changes
[07:39] <BenC> mjg59: I get a good chunk of rejects on the second patch
[07:40] <BenC> maybe I can munge it, looks related to the noacpi -> libata_noacpi name change
[07:41] <mjg59> Probably, yeah
[07:41] <BenC> there, patch applies with a little fuzz now
[07:42] <mjg59> Let me know when it's pushed and I'll sort stuff out
[07:44] <BenC> mjg59: pushed
[07:44] <BenC> build tested
[07:48] <mjg59> Pulling
[08:11] <mjg59> BenC: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/libata-acpi-cleanup
[08:12] <gicmo_> re
[08:16] <BenC> mjg59: So with this patch we'll have acpi for pata, but not for sata (by default), correct?
[08:16] <mjg59> Yes
[08:16] <BenC> ok
[08:16] <mjg59> Though, strictly, it's not sata/pata
[08:16] <mjg59> It's IDE-style interfaces and non-IDE-style interfaces
[08:16] <BenC> gotcha
[08:16] <BenC> so is non-IDE-style unsafe with acpi?
[08:17] <mjg59> Right now, it's not strictly correct
[08:17] <mjg59> The implementation, that is
[08:18] <BenC> but this gives us at least the same level of support as with ide drivers instead of pata, right?
[08:18] <mjg59> Yes
[08:19] <mjg59> Uhm. I'm assuming you mean that we get the same amount of support in libata as we had in drivers/ide
[08:19] <BenC> right
[08:19] <BenC> mjg59: thanks
[09:36] <tepsipakki> BenC: I merged ndiswrapper from debian.. I don't use it myself, but there was a report it should fix some issues
[09:36] <tepsipakki> I know that the kernel has the latest driver already
[09:36] <tepsipakki> but the tools..
[09:37] <tepsipakki> BenC: do you think it's worth UVFe?
[09:38] <tepsipakki> bug 92155
[09:38] <tepsipakki> hm, no ubugtu here
[09:48] <BenC> tepsipakki: definitely
[09:50] <tepsipakki> cool, I'll file one
[11:12] <BenC> mjg59: ping, re: memstick
[11:25] <mjg59> BenC: Ah, yeah, I'll look into that
[11:25] <mjg59> Need to get a fresh install on the machine with the hardware
[11:30] <BenC> mjg59: Do you have the code handy?
[11:30] <BenC> if you can send it, I can test it (I have memstick hw)


[16:38] <pleia2> tsimonq2: if you have some time today to collect news for the planet, that would help me a lot
[16:38] <pleia2> I'll work on gathering other-sources news as I have breaks throughout the day
[16:38] <tsimonq2> pleia2: alright :)
[16:39] <pleia2> s/for the planet/from the planet :)
[16:47] <tsimonq2> pleia2: sed: -e expression #1, char 32: unterminated `s' command
[16:47] <tsimonq2> :)
[16:48] <wxl> aw snap
[16:50] <tsimonq2> wxl! :D
[17:57] <pleia2> ahoneybun: can you send your message to the list, not just me? ;)
[17:58] <pleia2> (I only replied to express my expertise, I have no interest in reviving Classroom)
[17:59] <ahoneybun> yea saw that to late
[17:59] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:00] <pleia2> tsimonq2: will you be able to add the planet articles in the next hour or so, or should I?
[23:01] <pleia2> everything else is done, so I'd like to send this out to summary writers soon
[23:02] <tsimonq2> oh jeez doing now
[23:03] <tsimonq2> sorry
[23:03] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:17] <tsimonq2> done
[23:17] <tsimonq2> and yes, that's it
[23:17] <tsimonq2> not a lot of articles this week
[23:20] <pleia2> tsimonq2: the http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/19/over-the-air-12-go-big-wirelessly-connect-your-tablet/ link doesn't work, where did you find it?
[23:21] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Planet
[23:21] <pleia2> weird
[23:21] <pleia2> we'll have to remove it unless we can find a working link
[23:30] <pleia2> sent off to summary writers


[08:14] <no_mu> whoa
[08:14] <Nothing_Much> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DtC6uosHfU&feature=share is it already that far into development of convergence? make sure you guys practice on the shifting from phone screen to larger screen!
[08:16] <Nothing_Much> oh, and can the Dash logo be changed to the omgubuntu pic one eventually? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Screen-Shot-2013-11-22-at-13.39.jpg
[08:24] <Nothing_Much> it looks so exciting!


[00:44] <cm1nus> hi
[13:05] <grof002ax> Hi, I see a lot of bug reports in upstream for Pinta 0.6. In upstream there is already Pinta 0.8 which is bug fix release (the same was for 0.7). So many bugs have already been fixed in Pinta 0.8. Is there any way Ubuntu Naty to include Pinta 0.8 in its universe repo?
[13:08] <Ampelbein> grof002ax: if the new versions are strictly bugfix releases it's no problem, if there are new features you would need a ffe.
[13:08] <Ampelbein> !ffe | grof002ax
[13:08] <ubot4> grof002ax: Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process.
[14:39] <kamusin> good morning people, please could somebody renew my ubuntu bug control membership? I really appreciated (thank you!)
[14:40] <pedro_> i'd do it for 5 bucks
[14:41] <kamusin> doh, can  I pay with Visa or Master?
[14:41] <pedro_> sure, i'll send you the details by email
[14:41] <pedro_> kamusin, i've renewed it already
[14:42] <kamusin> heh thank you, santa will bring you a nice present this year.
[14:42] <pedro_> nice i asked for a pony!
[16:46] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek starting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:47] <abhinav-> :)
[19:32] <njin> hello, can someone look at bug 755355 ,last step. Thanks
[19:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 755355 in ubuntu "[357.007452] EXT-fs (sdg1) write access unavailable, cannot proceed (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755355
[20:16] <kklimonda> hggdh: ping, do you know how to debug Evolution+IMAP issues?
[20:16] <hggdh> kklimonda: just a sec
[20:16] <kklimonda> hggdh: it has stopped getting *some* new email from INBOX.
[20:18] <hggdh> kklimonda: start by running in debug mode -- http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml
[20:24] <kklimonda> hggdh: ok, I got a log
[20:24] <hggdh> now... we have to look at the log trying to find "something weird"
[20:25] <kklimonda> can I paste it safely somewhere, or does it have my password inside? :)
[20:26] <kklimonda> hmm, I don't really see anything suspicious there
[20:31] <hggdh> and you do not see any of the emails should have received?
[20:33] <kklimonda> hggdh: no, I have 26 "conversations" with unread messages, and none of them show up in Evolution.
[20:33] <kklimonda> and it worked fine till two days ago or so.
[20:33] <kklimonda> but I see them in Thunderbird, so IMAP seems to be working fine.
[20:35] <hggdh> kklimonda: you can always delete the evo IMAP folders for these accounts, and try again (stop evo -- 'evolution --force-shutdown', cd over to the account's IMAP folders and delete them, restart evo
[20:36] <hggdh> kklimonda: TAKE A BACKUP FIRST!
[20:58] <DreamsofanEagle> Hey all, new bug for 11.04 that I can't report correctly concerning Dell Netbook Mini-1018
[20:59] <DreamsofanEagle> Wifi works, but keyboard and touchpad does not. USB mouse is the only thing that works, and I don't have a USB keyboard to use to make sure
[22:50] <seb128> if someone wants to triage those aptdaemon has quite some recent duplicates