[00:49] <Makyo> Rebase hates me.  Anyway.  jujugui lf review/qa (sandbox, 2000 units, watch the inspector for delays) https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/14
[00:50] <hatch> i'll take it
[00:50] <gary_poster> thank you.  also looking at it but won't have time for review
[00:51] <hatch> heh this diff is very confusing
[00:52] <hatch> hmm Makyo  very intersting
[01:05] <gary_poster> Makyo, hatch, I'm seeing maybe a half second shaved off of the pauses as I scroll with 2000 units if I compare local repo with comingsoon.  Is that what I should expect to see, or do you expect the change to be more dramatic?  Maybe I did something wrong
[01:07] <Makyo> gary_poster, not seeing any pauses, here..
[01:08] <gary_poster> Makyo, ack. :-/ I looked at app/views/viewlets/service-overview.js and saw changes you have in the diff
[01:08] <gary_poster> so I do have your changes
[01:08] <gary_poster> I can try make clean
[01:10] <gary_poster> nope, no change
[01:11] <Makyo> Takes 10s for 2000 units to render on comingsoon for me,  1.5s locally.  No delays scrolling in either, though.
[01:12] <gary_poster> ah, weirdness: filesystem says one code, but browser says another
[01:12] <gary_poster> trying something
[01:13] <gary_poster> no
[01:14] <gary_poster> weird!  Makyo good news is that it's something on my system :-/
[01:17] <gary_poster> Makyo, awesome!  weird cache issue on my side; has not happened in a long while.  had to clear cache.  Sorry for false alarm.  Looks great!
[01:18] <gary_poster> I need to grok the branch tomorrow so I can see what you mean by your comments
[01:19] <Makyo> Oh!  Cool :)
[01:19] <Makyo> Yeah, np
[01:31] <gary_poster> Makyo would you mind explaining what you did to the team on the Friday call, as a way of giving us all d3 insight?
[01:32] <Makyo> Definitely.  Will make a card with notes for myself.
[01:32] <gary_poster> thank you
[01:33] <gary_poster> made card.  please feel free to take over :-)
[01:33] <gary_poster> running away.  have a good night!
[12:31] <bac> hi frankban
[12:31] <frankban> morning bac
[12:32] <bac> frankban: since you are the world's expert on using Mock and MagicMock could you give me a hand with mocking 'open'?
[12:33] <frankban> :-)
[12:33] <bac> frankban: i've got this test:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6555806/ -- the MagicMock that is returned by the mocked open is not being called.
[12:34] <bac> if i step into the function, the fd returned from the mocked open is a MagicMock and it is being called, but the  object accessible in the calling context is not.
[12:34] <frankban> bac: does it work using '__builtin__.open'?
[12:34] <bac> i've tried using michael's instructions here: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2010_10_02.shtml#e1188
[12:34] <bac> i've not tried builtin.  good idea
[13:04] <gary_poster> frankban, fwiw I am reviewing your branch
[13:05] <frankban> gary_poster: thank you!, Brad will start the second review in minutes
[13:05]  * frankban lunches
[13:45] <dimitern> gary_poster, hatch, hey guys
[13:45] <gary_poster> hey dimitern .  thanks for work on charm upload: looking cool
[13:46] <dimitern> gary_poster, hatch, we had a bit of discussion about the charm upload implementation
[13:46]  * gary_poster listens
[13:46] <gary_poster> hatch is probably still sleeping in his timezone
[13:46] <gary_poster> or at least not started yet
[13:46] <dimitern> gary_poster, hatch, and some concerns were raised that using multipart/form-data, while being more standard-based is less efficient for bandwidth due to the encoding required
[13:47] <gary_poster> so this POST vs PUT?
[13:47] <dimitern> no matter, at leas he'll be pinged and see the conversation later if i include him :)
[13:47] <gary_poster> :-) cool
[13:48] <dimitern> so, encoding a sub-10MB charm inside a multipart form is not a big deal (some 25% increase in size)
[13:48] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: the question is: is it hard for you to generate a POST with an application/octet-stream body containing the zip file?
[13:48] <dimitern> but I'm told we expect much bigger charms
[13:48] <dimitern> i.e. a binary, non-encoded body
[13:48] <dimitern> ^ re rogpeppe's question
[13:50] <dimitern> gary_poster, the content-type is not a big deal, but 'd prefer it to be application/zip, so we can bail out earlier with a nicer message
[13:50] <gary_poster> dimitern, rogpeppe needs research.  trying to do it quickly.
[13:51] <dimitern> gary_poster, otherwise we're still extracting the archive and reporting any errors, but in a more generic fashion (i.e. "invalid charm format: zip: no header found" or something like it)
[13:51] <rick_h__> compressing client side will be tough
[13:51] <dimitern> rick_h__, I thought we already have the zip packaged before the upload?
[13:52] <gary_poster> rick_h__, this is about octet
[13:52] <rick_h__> gary_poster: oh, ok nvm.
[13:52] <gary_poster> rick_h__, we will be provided zip *and* there appears to be nice JS zip lib for converting floders to zips
[13:52] <gary_poster> rick_h__, http://stuk.github.io/jszip/
[13:53] <dimitern> also one thing to keep in mind is that we'll be respecting the revision specified in the charm, if possible - i.e. non-conflicting with another charm in state
[13:54] <dimitern> otherwise we'll bump it to the highest in state +1
[13:54] <dimitern> the bumping also occurs if the revision in the charm is lower than the highest in state for the same charm
[13:55] <gary_poster> I like that bit dimitern; I assume the API will give us feedback as to what revision was actually used, so we can report back
[13:55] <dimitern> gary_poster, yes, if you look at the specs https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1TxnOCLPDqG6y3kCzmUGIkDr0tywXk1XQnHx7G6gO5tI/edit#heading=h.t7svtxl846ha
[13:55] <dimitern> brb doorbell
[13:56] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: yes, the return from the POST is the charm url which includes the new revision number
[13:56] <gary_poster> great
[13:56] <dimitern> yes
[14:00] <gary_poster> dimitern, rogpeppe I *think* we can do application/zip and application/octet-stream.  We will need to test it on supported browsers, I think, because I don't find a clear cut answer in my searches.  Worst case, though, would be that you have two or three mini-paths, one for zip, one for form-data, and maybe one for octet-stream.  That doesn't sound too bad?  We can give you concrete answer be EoD today as to the res
[14:00] <gary_poster> t?
[14:01] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: it would be nicer if we could avoid the multipart stuff entirely
[14:01] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, of course
[14:02] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, dimitern, so, we will research and give you concrete answers first investigating application/zip (your pref); and then application/octet-stream if we run into trouble with the first.  We will report back today.  Sound good?
[14:03] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: sounds good to me. personally, i'd be more than happy with just application/octet-stream - i can't really see much added benefit from checking the content type, as filesystems don't usually store that.
[14:04] <gary_poster> ack
[14:05] <dimitern> gary_poster, great
[14:05] <gary_poster> cool thanks for update dimitern and rogpeppe.  talk to you soon
[14:05] <dimitern> gary_poster, so, just that you know - I changed the specs to reflect the final version which will be implemented
[14:05] <gary_poster> dimitern, I saw, and also shared it with rest of gui team
[14:06] <dimitern> gary_poster, the most important change is that the body needs to be binary, the Content-Type is not crucial, pending your verification
[14:06] <gary_poster> ack
[14:06] <dimitern> gary_poster, cheers
[14:06] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:07] <hatch> morning
[14:12] <gary_poster> hey hatch.  read backlog for me and I bet you can figure out what I'd like you to answer/research ;-)
[14:15] <hatch> on it!
[14:17] <gary_poster> thanks hatch
[14:19] <hatch> gary_poster so the question is, can we upload uses an octect-stream?
[14:19] <hatch> answer is yes
[14:19] <gary_poster> hatch, on POST as well?
[14:20] <hatch> yep
[14:21] <gary_poster> hatch, great.  includes Safari?
[14:21] <hatch> just confirming safari
[14:21] <gary_poster> cool
[14:22] <gary_poster> hatch also do you want a review of the sticky headers thing?  looks like huwshimi gave you an unofficial +1
[14:22] <hatch> sure, somehow I ended up with over 100 emails lastnight, still going through them
[14:22] <gary_poster> :-) k.  and are you in the middle of a review of Matt's performance branch, or should I take that too?
[14:23] <hatch> going through it
[14:24] <hatch> another bug with someone using the autocomplete as search results
[14:24] <hatch> heh
[14:26] <hatch> man there is like 0 documentation on safari
[14:26] <bac> gary_poster, frankban: sorry for the vague zope reference, i was thinking instead of the auto-ui generation aspect.  that said, my lack of understanding of the roadmap shouldn't reflect negatively on the work.
[14:27] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, at least we've got a plan on that one, just not done it yet
[14:27] <gary_poster> bac, cool
[14:27] <bac> gary_poster: and i did use a smiley, which covers many sins.
[14:27] <gary_poster> bac :-) <- sins covered
[14:28] <frankban> bac, gary_poster: the reports of me rewriting zope have been greatly exaggerated
[14:28] <gary_poster> lol
[14:28] <bac> :)
[14:28] <bac> frankban: it did seem to come from an unlikely corner
[14:32] <hatch> gary_poster so I can't find anything to confirm/deny the support for octect-stream in safari post - I can hack together a quick node script to test today if you would like
[14:32] <gary_poster> hatch +1 please thank you
[14:33] <gary_poster> hatch, for my own knowledge, where did you confirm octet-stream for chrome et al?
[14:33] <hatch> I just read a few stackoverflow posts where people were having issues with it
[14:35] <gary_poster> heh ok
[14:35] <gary_poster> my google fu was merely insufficient :-)
[14:35] <hatch> it's ok, it happens :D
[14:37] <gary_poster> hatch qa of sticky headers is good.  one idea: the only mildly annoying flickers I see on Ubuntu are chrome, for the top header.  Can we apply the sticky CSS to the top header as soon as the box is drawn?
[14:38] <frankban> bac: yeah, no. the goal is to have a something to describe fields: gary_poster is right we could do that without classes (a namedtuple seems a good candidate). in this case classes seemed to me more natural: they provide a namespace and a factory (__init__). re auto-ui generation: yes those fields will be eventually used to render/validate the urwid env edit form. AFAIK this can be considered similar to zope schem
[14:38] <frankban> as, and to a variety of other python libraries (django.form, wtform etc.)
[14:38] <hatch> I think that should work
[14:38] <hatch> there is also a very odd bug that huw found
[14:38] <hatch> I'll work on those, did you want to take Makyo 's branch? :)
[14:38] <gary_poster> hatch, sure :-)
[14:39] <bac> frankban: sure, thanks for the explanation
[15:07] <gary_poster> hatch lots of comments and suggestions, but +1.  happy to re-review if desired,
[15:07] <gary_poster> but not necessary.
[15:09] <hatch> thanks
[15:09] <hatch> I fixed the flash in chrome
[15:12] <gary_poster> awesome
[15:12] <hatch> I think that this sticky header code nowhas more lines of comments than code
[15:12] <hatch> hah
[15:13] <gary_poster> +1 :-)
[15:13] <hatch> so much for self documenting code lol
[15:13] <gary_poster> maybe my scrollOffset comment was too much.  <shrug>
[15:16] <hatch> thats only 1 line
[15:16] <hatch> haha
[15:17] <hatch> the comment that broke the developers back?
[15:17] <gary_poster> :-P
[15:23] <frankban> gary_poster: what do you think about required=False, readonly=False, and then required must be explicitly passed when creating fields?
[15:23] <gary_poster> frankban, I like it.
[15:25] <frankban> gary_poster: the validation is not completely duplicated between the Int and the base fields: the base would complain about 0, but I see your point
[15:26] <gary_poster> cool
[15:28] <hatch> gary_poster when qa'ing Makyo's branch you said that you didn't feel it was more performant? If you want something to compare it to, my branch removes the filters entirely - albeit it has bugs but it'll give you something to compare to.
[15:40] <benji> rick_h__: is the staging charmworld supposed to ingest regularly?  http://staging.jujucharms.com/heartbeat shows that it hasn't since the 8th
[15:41] <rick_h__> benji: hmm, yes I believe so. I'ts using the same cron from the charm as production unless someone turned off the cron job.
[15:41] <benji> k
[15:45] <Makyo> hatch, it sounds like gary_poster ran into a cache issue, was better after clearing.
[15:46] <hatch> ohh ok
[15:46] <gary_poster> hatch, thank you.  it turned out to be a caching issue in my browser.  not sure why it triggered.  once I cleared out cache, the code really had a huge & impressive speed increase.  Seems like only slowdown is in simulator
[15:46] <gary_poster> now
[15:46] <hatch> awesomer!
[15:46] <gary_poster> on the order of a fraction of a second, and barely noticeable
[15:46] <gary_poster> yeah definitely
[15:46] <hatch> little bummed that I don't get to write a new implementation
[15:46] <Makyo> :T
[15:46] <hatch> but maybe we'll have to support 10,000 at some point
[15:46] <hatch> :P
[15:47] <gary_poster> :-P
[15:49]  * gary_poster kinda loves seeing pr tests and $$merge$$ work
[15:49] <hatch> yeah I just wish $$merge$$ wasn't so ugly to look at lol
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:50] <gary_poster> ty
[15:50] <gary_poster> hatch, heh, yeah, I suspect patches welcome if we all agree on something
[15:50] <hatch> I'd even go for ::merge:: tbh
[15:50] <hatch> :D
 not huge imporovement to my eyes, but fine with it if team wants
[15:52]  * gary_poster wishes he remembered ins and outs of Y.merge better
[15:53] <hatch> merge is the easy one, it's mix() that's the impossible one :)
[15:53] <hatch> Y.merge(object[,object])
[15:53] <gary_poster> ah right
[15:53] <hatch> Y.mix(who-the-heck-knows)
[15:53] <gary_poster> in merge, which wins?
[15:54] <hatch> last in the line wins
[15:54] <gary_poster> right
[15:54] <gary_poster> thx
[15:54] <hatch> nooooo problem
[15:58] <rick_h__> gary_poster: hatch it's a .ini config key + a doc change. Just say what you want it to be.
[15:58] <gary_poster> :poo:
[15:58] <hatch> +1
[15:58] <Makyo> jujugui call in 2
[15:58] <Makyo> +1
[15:58] <gary_poster> ty
[15:59] <Makyo> I'm glad github comments support both :shipit: and :shit:
[16:02] <Makyo> benji, starting
[16:02] <benji> coming
[16:32] <gary_poster> frankban, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.j0rk5d371ph8331ijtf48t2uj0
[16:44] <gary_poster> benji rick_h__ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.j0rk5d371ph8331ijtf48t2uj0 ?
[16:45] <benji> yep
[16:50] <hatch> hey benji, why chiropractor and not massage?
[17:04] <Makyo> It's rare enough that a webpage has an Esperanto translation that I'm always surprised by it, and remember that Chrome thinks that's my language for some reason.
[17:04] <Makyo> In other news, our Jenkins install has an Esperanto translation :P
[17:05] <hatch> haha oh Esperanto
[17:05] <hatch> I remember the Esperanto bug
[17:31] <Makyo> gary_poster, hatch okay with one review/qa, or should I request another?
[17:31] <hatch> I can do another if you need but the code looked good to me with gary's suggestions
[17:31] <hatch> another qa that is
[17:40] <Makyo> hatch, I'd appreciate it.
[17:40] <hatch> ok on it
[17:41] <Makyo> Sorry, was doing canonicaladmin stuff
[17:42] <hatch> best UX ever in that app
[17:42] <Makyo> Hope I did the end-of-year closure thing right.
[17:42] <Makyo> Hah
[17:43] <hatch> lgtm'd
[17:44] <Makyo> Thanks.
[18:02] <hatch> gary_poster octet is supported across all of our browsers
[18:02] <hatch> on post
[18:02] <gary_poster> awesome, thank you
[18:03] <gary_poster> hatch, I will send a note to dimiter and rogpeppe cc'ing you
[18:03] <hatch> sure thanks, I'll upload the repo so anyone can test if they like
[18:03] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: cool
[18:04] <rogpeppe> hatch: so it's not a problem to upload a zip file as an octet stream with content-type of application/zip ?
[18:05] <hatch> well we can set whatever as a content type
[18:05] <hatch> I just tried streaming a file via post from all of our supported browsers
[18:05] <hatch> I used application/octet-stream
[18:06] <hatch> looks good here with application/zip
[18:07] <hatch> I'll push this repo up so you can see
[18:12] <hatch> https://github.com/hatched/octot-test rogpeppe  gary_poster
[18:12] <gary_poster> octot?
[18:12]  * rogpeppe likes "octot"
[18:12] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:12] <gary_poster> thanks hatch
[18:12] <hatch> lol typo and I didn't care to change it haha
[18:13] <gary_poster> hatch, reply to my mail with link pls?
[18:13] <hatch> will do
[18:14] <gary_poster> ty
[18:17] <Makyo> Hahah
[18:17] <Makyo> I'm keeping octot. It's perfect.
[18:18] <hatch> lol perfect for what?
[18:18] <Makyo> I dunno, but it beats out octet at whatever it is.
[18:18] <Makyo> Probably perfect for GitHub, actually.
[18:18] <hatch> haha
[18:18] <Makyo> Octotcat.
[18:19] <hatch> Github no longer restricts repo names
[18:19] <hatch> they are namespaced now
[18:19] <hatch> so multiple people can have the same repo name
[18:20] <Makyo> It's been that way since I started using it, at least.
[18:20] <hatch> ohh, maybe I'm remembering some very legacy stuff
[18:20] <hatch> and it just stuck
[18:21] <hatch> ok now what to do....what to do.... *closes eyes and spins around*
[18:21] <hatch> looks like I'm removing more full browser
[18:21] <rick_h__> hatch: there's the search bug
[18:26] <hatch> search bug?
[18:26] <hatch> you mean that it doens't work like anyone expects it to?
[18:26] <hatch> lol
[18:26] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, quicksearch filting to only showing one result per charm name with importance weighed in like search results
[18:27] <hatch> was that triaged as higher priority than the browser stuff?
[18:27] <rick_h__> hatch: well, at first I thought you were asking
[18:27] <rick_h__> hatch: and it bugs me so if you fix it I get to :)
[18:28] <hatch> haha
[18:28] <hatch> well I should probably continue on my path of browser stuff
[19:00] <hatch> gary_poster in the hangout, whenever you're ready
[19:31] <bac> oh, yay, the charmworld charm is all bash.
[20:32] <bac> hey benji, if you have a moment could you see if you can successfully 'juju status' to staging.jujucharms.com after 'source orangify'?  i'm getting TLS handshake errors.
[20:32] <benji> bac: sure, let me try
[20:32] <bac> ty
[20:34] <benji> bac: "source orangify" is generating an exception for me
[20:34] <benji> and I have to go to an appointement, like 5 minutes ago :)
[20:34] <benji> sorry I couldn't help
[20:35] <bac> np
[21:02] <hatch> holy so much code removal
[21:08] <hatch> and only 3 test failures
[21:08] <hatch> w00t
[21:27] <hatch> rick_h__ hey are you around?
[21:28] <hatch> jujugui looking for two reviews and qas on the fullscreen code removal branch (1242ln diff)
[21:29] <hatch> 99% removals
[21:29] <Makyo> hatch, on it \o/
[21:29] <hatch> thank yas!
[21:29] <Makyo> Have a PR?
[21:29] <hatch> oops
[21:29] <hatch> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/15
[21:29] <hatch> :)
[21:29] <hatch> forgot to paste
[21:30] <gary_poster> will look soon after bug triage, if no one else has taken
[21:39] <gary_poster> hatch, still triaging, but 1,173 deletions: awesome :-)
[21:39] <hatch> yeah, that was a lot of code haha
[21:39] <hatch> the paths are still overly complex but we can now work on simplifying them
[21:40] <gary_poster> cool
[21:40] <gary_poster> Makyo, in a shocking move, I accepted your Christmas holiday vacation request
[21:41] <hatch> lol
[21:41] <gary_poster> thanks for filing :-)
[21:41] <Makyo> !!!
[21:41] <Makyo> Thanks :_
[21:41] <Makyo> :)
[21:41] <hatch> what we get Christmas holidays?
[21:41] <hatch> NO WAY!
[21:41] <Makyo> I needed to see how many days would roll over for the convention trip in January.
[21:41] <hatch> oh what convention?
[21:42] <rick_h__> hatch: howdy
[21:42] <Makyo> Sci-fi/furry :P  Giving a talk on data collection and visualization.
[21:43] <hatch> http://www.scififur.net/forum/forum.php ?
[21:43] <Makyo> http://www.furtherconfusion.org/2014/
[21:44] <hatch> coolio, are you dressing up?
[21:45] <Makyo> At some point, sure, but not during the talk.  Too much to deal with.
[21:47] <Makyo> Want to tool around the bay area a bit, too, eat at all the neat places we don't have here in town.  I know it's basically fast food there, but we don't have any ramen shops here :T
[21:47] <hatch> haha - I buy ramen in dry plastic wrapped cubes
[21:47] <hatch> aka ichiban!
[21:47] <hatch> lol
[21:48] <Makyo> Pff!  I do too, but after going to a few real ramen places out there, I'm hooked on that.
[21:48] <hatch> we are starting to get a lot of 'foodie' type restaurants here but none really have the level of quality i've come to expect from places on my travels which is unfortunate
[21:49] <Makyo> Yeah, for sure.  There are a few cropping up in town, thankfully, but some stuff is underrepresented.  Korean food, notably: we have a pretty big Korean population, but the restaurant that's owned by a Korean family mostly just serves sushi.
[21:50] <hatch> that's...odd...heh
[21:56] <hatch> you can tell the best asian restaurants here really easily
[21:56] <hatch> if they are full of white people, it's probably not very good :D
[21:56] <hatch> it's like "ohh this is WESTERN Chinese food"
[21:56] <hatch> haha
[21:58] <Makyo> There's a place here that helps with work visas for people, so their food is amazing.
[21:59] <Makyo> It's pretty cool, from what I've heard.  They help a family with work visas, find housing, and so on.
[22:01] <rick_h__> man hatch you're killing me. Realizing just how much code and tests went into making fullscreen happen.
[22:01] <hatch> rick_h__ yeah only like 1200 lines worth :P
[22:01] <rick_h__> is that what the diff is? ugh
[22:02] <rick_h__> I'm happy to see it go, but painful as well
[22:02] <hatch> haha yeah, sorry :) but I must admit, it was was easy to remove
[22:02] <hatch> so you did a good job modularizing everything
[22:02] <rick_h__> :)
[22:02] <gary_poster> rick_h__, when you get a chance, could you comment as to whether you think https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1259704 should be addressed in charmworld or gui?  If gui, would like to ask huw to fix it quickly.
[22:02] <_mup_> Bug #1259704: Bundle branch command incorrect. <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259704>
[22:02] <rick_h__> gary_poster: rgr
[22:02] <gary_poster> rick_h__, thank you (tomorrow is great!)
[22:02] <gary_poster> hatch, I won't be reviewing; have to go
[22:03] <gary_poster> bye all
[22:03] <rick_h__> have fun
[22:03] <hatch> gary_poster no problem, cya
[22:05] <Makyo> hatch, code's good, going to walk dogs then QA
[22:05] <hatch> great thanks
[22:12] <hatch> morning huw
[22:12] <huwshimi> Mornign
[22:12] <huwshimi> *Morning
[22:33] <rick_h__> hatch: the reroute or something is breaking onboarding
[22:34] <hatch> rick_h__ repro steps?
[22:34] <rick_h__> hatch: clear your localStorage, go to /
[22:34] <rick_h__> hatch: to see it work, clear your localStorage go to /sidebar
[22:34] <rick_h__> hatch: this is in trunk, not your branch atm
[22:34] <hatch> ohh ok
[22:34] <hatch> so a separate card then
[22:34] <rick_h__> hatch: I'm guessing it's part of the redirect/etc work
[22:35] <hatch> nice catch though, I never thought of checking that
[22:35] <rick_h__> hatch: can you duplicate? I was going to check comingsoon but that's not updating off of git trunk atm
[22:35] <hatch> checking
[22:37] <hatch> rick_h__ what was the chrome command to clear localstorage?
[22:37] <hatch>  I just always did localStorage.clear()
[22:37] <hatch> but I want to make sure it's out of the list
[22:37] <hatch> but my google fu is failing me
[22:38] <hatch> rick_h__ I can confirm
[22:38] <hatch> definitely a bug
[22:38] <rick_h__> hatch: oh sorry, I go to the resources tab in dev tools and look at the list
[22:38] <rick_h__> then click/delete the itmes
[22:39] <hatch> yup it's definitely broken
[22:39] <hatch> localStorage.clear() does work too, which is pretty cool :)
[22:40] <rick_h__> hatch: k, I'll file a bug/add a card for it
[22:49] <rick_h__> hatch: posted QA issues
[22:49] <rick_h__> hatch: some of them might be related so will hold off on more QA until tomorrow and will go through it again
[22:49] <hatch> rick_h__ do you think these happen on trunk too
[22:50] <hatch> as part of the redirect not the code removal?
[22:50] <rick_h__> hatch: no, some are pure fullscreen
[22:50] <rick_h__> the sidebar issue might, not sure.
[22:50] <hatch> well I mean there is no /fullscreen as far as the code is concerned
[22:50] <hatch> it gets redirected
[22:50] <hatch> and never touches the other code
[22:50] <rick_h__> hatch: right, but it's not redirecting cleanly
[22:50] <hatch> right, so these issues should happen on trunk?
[22:50] <rick_h__> some of the urls are possible user bookmarked urls that need to map cleanly
[22:51] <rick_h__> hatch: ah, ic
[22:51] <hatch> the search results one is interesting though
[22:51] <hatch> will look into that
[22:51] <rick_h__> heh, they're worse on trunk as you don't even get a sidebar at all
[22:52] <rick_h__> you just get the canvas sans-browser
[22:52] <hatch> eek
[22:52] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, I think the redirect should detect the requested viewmode and rather than just navigate, change the viewmode and do a browser viewNavigate so that the rest of the viewstate is kept in place
[22:53] <hatch> I can reproduce your sidebar issue, so I'll take a deeper look into that
[22:53] <hatch> and maybe at the same time try and fix the redirect stuff
[22:53] <rick_h__> the sidebar issue is on trunk as well
[22:53] <hatch> oh? hmm
[22:53] <hatch> maybe land as is then and roll another branch?
[22:53] <rick_h__> hatch: so maybe that's fallout from sticky headers?
[22:54] <rick_h__> well, I think it kind of sucks to keep going removing fullscreen (and hints on what's changed) with the broken url/search/state stuff
[22:54] <hatch> my guess is it's fallout from the browse/build removal stuff
[22:54] <rick_h__> I know your branch isn't 100% at fault, but it's related and think those urls should 'work' as part of removing this stuff
[22:54] <hatch> yeah that's true
[22:54] <hatch> ok I'll look into it
[22:54] <rick_h__> thanks


[04:01] <CelesteRed> Hello, I am new to all of this. I currently installed Xubuntu minimal on my Acer Spin 13 Chromebook. I am using it fine but for some reason I have no audio coming from it. i checked the audio settings and it says there is no hardware audio avalible
[13:11] <luis_> hola
[13:12] <luis_> hola
[22:40] <ross__> Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: Ubuntu "mantic" 23.10 • CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-12100 (3,30GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,7 GiB Total (2,7 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 14,3 GB / 20,5 GB (6,2 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge • Uptime: 6m 14s
[23:44] <RoadRunner> how to verify PGP signature?
[23:45] <RoadRunner> ... of an iso image...


[05:12] <DanaG> hmm, the versatile kernel doesn't seem to want to boot on my beagleboard.
[05:12] <DanaG> And it didn't even make a uimage for u-boot.
[05:14] <Martyn> I didn't know the versatile kernel -could- boot on a beagle
[05:15] <Martyn> then again, I'm using a Versatile Express (Quad Core A9) kernel
[05:15] <Martyn> So it kind of depends on which Versatile board you're using
[05:15] <Martyn> There -are- beagle kernels though...
[05:16] <DanaG> hmm, I was just hoping for one that had working usb-gadget networking.
[05:16] <DanaG> I
[05:17] <DanaG> hmm, so Versatile is a specific product line, not "generic" like on x86 and amd64?
[05:17] <DanaG> =þ
[05:19] <Martyn> correct
[05:19] <Martyn> and it's a product line that spans ARM architectures
[05:19] <Martyn> so there are Versatile boards with ARMv6, and v7 processors
[05:21] <DanaG> Might be good to change the package description to say "Versatile[TM]" -- if it's a registered trademark.
[05:21] <DanaG> use unicode TM, though.
[05:23] <Martyn> heh
[05:23] <Martyn> naa
[05:23] <Martyn> It's just that ARM likes reusing names
[05:23] <Martyn> And in the ARM world, machines/platforms abound.
[05:24] <Martyn> however, lets get to what YOU want .. which is a beagle kernel with usb-gadget enabled?
[05:24] <Martyn> specifically usbnet?
[05:24] <DanaG> I was using these: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[05:24] <DanaG> It has g_ether seemingly built-in, but it never actually transmits packets.
[05:24] <DanaG> At least, the host only sees "Ethernet II" frames in wireshark.
[05:25] <Martyn> Yep, I've got the same kernel
[05:25] <Martyn> Well, you can download the source and then cross compile your own kernel.
[05:25] <Martyn> IF you're patient, you can even do it on the beagleboard (compile takes ~2 hours)
[05:25] <DanaG> eh, cross-compile on a core2duo 2.4 should do that in waaaaaaaaaay less time.
[05:26] <Martyn> Yep
[05:26] <Martyn> configuring USB gadget is one of the fiddly drivers
[05:45] <DanaG> hmm, weird that it doesn't work with those kernels already built.
[05:52] <DanaG> /sys/bus/pci/devices: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/sensors-detect line 2453.
[05:55] <DanaG> well, yeah, there's no pci.
[06:01] <DanaG> hmm, looks like lm-sensors assumes the presence of PCI.
[06:29] <DanaG> hmm, so is that usb networking just supposed to not work, by default?
[06:29] <DanaG> Should I file a bug about it, or not (due to not using an official kernel)?
[07:50] <DanaG> weird... the first time after I change kernels, the system boots to where it does something... and then auto-reboots once.
[15:08] <Hoonse> is there any option to get wifi running "stable" under ubuntu karmic on the beagleboard? does the new version come out in february (told in the wiki...)
[15:42] <armin76> Martyn: going to mwc?
[15:49] <asac> armin76: maybe put that on /topic ?;)
[15:50] <asac> hmm ... wonder if http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiTodo is actually maintained
[15:51] <asac> seems last modified in aug last yearh
[15:52] <armin76> asac: :D
[15:53] <armin76> he was the last person i was going to ask :P
[15:53] <asac> you never know ;)
[23:51] <Martyn> armin76: No, not going to MWC


[00:01] <ali1234> same result in safe mode
[00:42] <ali1234> known bug reported nearly 2 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=871908
[00:42] <lubotu3`> Mozilla bug 871908 in Places "Clearing "browsing and download" history does excessive disc IO (due to huge wal file)" [Normal,New]
[05:45] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[05:45] <mapps> morning
[05:45] <mapps> sup
[05:46] <knightwise> <hey mapps , its friday , work email box exploding ... so i'm glad its weekend :)
[05:47] <knightwise> but my raspberry pi 2 should arrive today .. thats good ! :)
[05:47] <mapps> ;D
[05:47] <mapps> i cant order one;/
[05:47] <mapps> well can but not to here
[05:48] <knightwise> realy ?  Arent you in the UK ?
[05:49] <mapps> nah
[05:49] <mapps> not anymore
[05:49] <knightwise> where did you move to ?
[05:50] <mapps> Gibraltar
[05:50] <mapps> and you cant order anything here
[05:50] <mapps> every time i go on amazon says 'not avaliable to deliver to gib'
[05:50] <mapps> had to order my laptop to spain and my friend brought it into work
[05:50] <mapps> i ordered a phone to UK asked my dad to send it here..cost him £46!! and took 2 weeks for me to get it
[05:51] <mapps> its like very slow and backwards here
[05:52] <knightwise> thats crud :(
[05:52] <mapps> yea
[05:52] <knightwise>  If I order my stuff @ amazon in germany it gets here in about 2 days without hassle
[05:52] <mapps> like i could send something to anywhere in europe for way less
[05:52] <mapps> but gibraltar isnt europe for post
[05:53] <mapps> yet they like to have the benefits of apparently being part of europe due to being a british territory
[05:53] <mapps> very very annoying
[05:53] <mapps> you're stuck with the rubbish stores here
[05:53] <mapps> buy an i3 laptop for the cost of an i7
[05:53] <mapps> or a 42" tv for the cost of a 50" on amazon
[05:57] <knightwise> Crud
[05:57] <knightwise> We have all the stupid taxes when we order something from the US
[05:57] <knightwise> its rediculous
[06:04] <knightwise> Damn .. i wish they would get MIR8 working on my Surface Pro
[06:04] <knightwise> I would love it if I could switch between a touch interface and a windowed interface on that device
[06:14] <mapps> so youre in germany?
[06:19] <knightwise> Belgium
[06:20] <mapps> AHA
[06:20] <mapps> been there
[06:20] <mapps> ;D
[06:20] <mapps> so you speak dutch
[06:20] <mapps> close to german
[06:20] <mapps> when ive looked at dutch some words are very similar
[06:20] <mapps> ik hev..ik ben
[06:21] <mapps> *heb#
[06:21] <knightwise> I speak Dutch, French German and English
[06:21] <mapps> ;D
[06:46] <zmoylan-pi> i speak profanity, swearing with a smidgeon of cursing
[06:57] <knightwise> Universal languages eh ! :)
[06:59] <zmoylan-pi> and when a piece of hardware ignores those it's time for the hammer
[07:00] <knightwise> good morning zmoylan-pi
[07:00] <knightwise> What apps do you run on your pi except irc ?
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> newsbeuter for rss feeds
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> nano for text editing
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> a bit of bash
[07:03] <zmoylan-pi> a bit of perl
[07:03] <knightwise> irssi, newsbeuter, wordgrinder, ttytter, mps-youtube
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> a lot easier not to be distracted when there's no gui
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> i set up ttytter but stoped using it
[07:04] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: correct
[07:04] <zmoylan-pi> i might go back to it
[07:04] <knightwise> its also my ssh end point
[07:05] <zmoylan-pi> i keep meaning to access the pi from outside the home network but my knowledge of keeping it secure is too limited
[07:06] <knightwise> good password policy and only signing in via public/privatekey allowed
[07:06] <zmoylan-pi> and i also want to upgrade from current pi b to pi 2
[07:07] <zmoylan-pi> then i could access the pi remotely from dumbphone making it a little smarter :-)
[07:07] <zmoylan-pi> full linux terminal with a battery life measured in days
[07:08] <zmoylan-pi> froma phone with a full qwerty keyboard
[07:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: my rasp2 arrives today
[07:10] <knightwise> i'm curious if i can just switch out the sd cards from one to the other
[07:10]  * zmoylan-pi dons a fake mustache and waits outside knightwise's location to intercept delivery...
[07:11] <zmoylan-pi> well my pi b uses sd card and pi2 uses microsd so not for me
[07:12] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: Ah Crud ! i'll need to get a new card
[07:13] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully available at every phone shop for those phones that use them
[07:15] <knightwise> agreed
[07:18] <zmoylan-pi> the 4gb sd card that came with the maplins pi starter kit i bought is now down to .9gb free.  so thinking maybe a 16gb card for new pi 2
[07:18] <knightwise> hmm.. so that will be 16 gig card at list.
[07:18] <knightwise> at least. Agreed
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> then maybe use the pi b with camera module as wildlife camera in garden
[07:20] <knightwise> is it suitable for outdoor use ?
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> there are cases or make a housing
[07:20] <knightwise> ps : are the cases on the pi and the pi2 the same ? No right
[07:21] <zmoylan-pi> pi b only has 2 usb ports, b+ and 2 have 4
[07:21] <knightwise> so.. so i'll need to break out the lego
[07:21] <zmoylan-pi> like you needed an excuse...
[07:22] <zmoylan-pi> remember to drop 1-2 pieces to find at 3am when barefoot walking to the loo
[07:23]  * knightwise thinkin he will build a imperial stormtrooper style case
[07:23] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't sound secure, those guys are terrible shots.  make a trekkie red shirt case, you know those guys will die to protect it...
[07:24] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: fair point
[07:24] <knightwise> one does not take lightly to stormtroopers being mocked in this house
[07:25] <knightwise> https://www.flickr.com/photos/knightwise/16337015253/
[07:26] <zmoylan-pi> that's why they built the death star, it was easier to hit a planet than an individual person they're such bad shots :-P
[07:27] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: you are not welcome in this house :p
[07:27] <zmoylan-pi> did you see the death star bass speaker someone was selling on ebay a few years back.  it was huge. and amongst the comments was of course 'it's huge' 'cut the chatter red 6'
[07:27] <knightwise> Lol
[08:40] <knightwise> Ah
[08:40] <knightwise> el raspberry pi is here
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:08] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:11] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[10:11] <knightwise> hey brobostigon , how are you today
[10:11]  * knightwise just got his pi2 :)
[10:11] <knightwise> thing looks like heammoroid medication
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> do NOT apply pi2 to haemorroids...
[10:12] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[10:13] <knightwise> ok , Gotta go out and get me a micro sd card and start building a case for the pi2
[10:15] <knightwise> i was wondering , you can run Ubuntu mate 15.04 on the pi2 , but is there also a 'regular' ubuntu server for the pi2 ?
[10:31] <brobostigon> :)
[12:13]  * dwatkins wanders in
[12:13] <dwatkins> Did AlanBell's "building Ubuntu on a cluster of Raspberry Pi machines" project go ok?
[12:30] <penguin42> hmm, there's only one cinema around here showing Blade Runner and the choice is between 6pm on Easter Sunday or 8pm on Easter Monday; pretty awful time
[14:17] <diddledan> artanoon
[14:31]  * penguin42 hands diddledan a paint brush
[14:31]  * diddledan pains penguin42
[14:31] <diddledan> paints*
[14:31] <penguin42> hmm
[14:33] <Myrtti> bought a colouring book \o/
[14:37] <penguin42> one of these de-stress trendy ones?
[14:39] <Myrtti> yeah
[14:39] <Myrtti> I can reuse it as art for my mobile phone case later on
[14:39] <Myrtti> I've got one with the clear back, I've got cardboard from Yorkshire Tea pack at the moment. well not the pack, a card they sent me
[14:43] <penguin42> hmm, they do good adverts
[14:43] <Myrtti> oh? I don't watch telly so I wouldn't know. Or read magazines.
[14:46] <penguin42> Myrtti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVjiGWUhHnw
[14:47]  * penguin42 doesn't drink tea
[14:47] <Myrtti> little urn!
[14:47] <penguin42> that's actually a longer edit than the version I've seen on TV I think
[14:48] <Myrtti> nice
[15:42] <MooDoo> howdy all
[15:42] <diddledan> moo
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> *bark*
[15:45] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you've got to doo a moo for MooDoo
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> would you settle for a harumph?
[15:46] <diddledan> yeah, that'll do
[15:47] <MooDoo> sounds good to me :D
[15:48] <diddledan> when do we get our chocolate eggs?
[15:48] <diddledan> I want one now
[15:49] <penguin42> on Tuesday when they go on discount
[15:49] <diddledan> lol
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> tis still the season of the discount selection box
[15:59] <penguin42> thing is I don't care about the shape of my chocolate; so I'm not going to pay more for egg/rabbit shaped chocolate
[15:59] <x85> hey
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi>             ho
[16:02] <x85> i ended up returning the hudl
[16:06] <x85> an irritating issue with the battery put me off the device
[16:07] <penguin42> it ran out?
[16:08] <x85> no despite being plugged into the mains it refused to charge unless turned off
[16:09] <penguin42> hmm, yeh that's not good
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> sounds brokeny
[16:10] <x85> I'm looking for a cheap way to run linux because I'm trying to get away from apple
[16:11] <x85> i can manage about 120 cos apple made me poor
[16:11] <penguin42> x85: The ~£150 chromebooks/laptops ?
[16:11] <penguin42> ah, 120 hmm a bit tight
[16:12] <x85> yea
[16:12] <x85> i have a pi 2 but that doesn't run unity all too well
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> i thought you couldn't install linux on the $150 chromebooks?  and they won't be 150 when they get this side of the pond
[16:13] <penguin42> yeh, they'll be at least £150
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> and when they get to ireland a chunk more
[16:13] <penguin42> x85: I believe there's a Dell equivalent to that x86 tablet that's been made to run Fedora OK
[16:14] <x85> well i could bump to 200 and make and excuse to my wife lmao
[16:14] <penguin42> haha
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> whatever the least favourable exchange rate is plus a few % on top
[16:14] <penguin42> x85: You can get 2nd hand netbooks for ~£100
[16:15] <x85> penguin42: i've been tempted by that before unless you know of a decent brand
[16:15] <x85> the intel nuc looks cool
[16:15] <zmoylan-pi> oxfam do a nice line in refurb 2nd hand laptops with 90 day warranty
[16:16] <penguin42> x85: Actually, yes, you might be able to put together a nuc for that type of price
[16:16] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Oh, not tried oxfam, I've bought a few things from CEX
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> you can get them with win7 and avoid the uefi nonsense
[16:17] <x85> i doesn't like UEFI
[16:18] <x85> idk i miss my linux freedom
[16:18] <x85> :(
[16:41] <x85> le sigh
[16:44] <shauno> I wonder what hardware can actually use tianocore
[16:48] <directhex> It's Complicated(tm)
[16:49] <directhex> tianocore isn't an entire implementation. you can't use it as-is on real hardware..... but most real-world implementations are tianocore-based
[16:49] <directhex> you can get kvm to use tianocore, but it lacks minor details like nvram support, so you can't save any settings or installed os locations
[16:50] <directhex> x85: i *wish* i had uefi on my desktop. bios is total 1970s crud
[16:50] <directhex> and has 0% to do with freedom vs. not freedom
[16:51] <x85> MacBooks are worse lmao
[16:51] <penguin42> yeh, you've got to differentiate between UEFI and secure/trusted boot - they're completely separate issues
[16:51] <directhex> and secure boot as a general concept provides beneficial extra features to the end user
[16:52] <x85> hmm what about combining pi's to run the ubuntu desktop is that possible?
[16:54] <penguin42> no
[16:54] <directhex> no.
[16:54] <directhex> there are better ARM dev boards than the pi, if that's the route you want to take
[16:54]  * penguin42 would expect the Pi2 might have a chance
[16:54] <directhex> Pi is pretty much bottom of the pile
[16:55]  * penguin42 notes Pi is the start of pile
[16:55] <directhex> pi only becomes usable via various hacks like a custom wayland compositor and custom browser
[16:56] <x85> i just want a semi cheap machine to run ubuntu
[16:56] <directhex> second hand?
[16:56]  * x85 *cries*
[16:56] <x85> not if it can be helped
[16:57] <x85> i want to throw my MBP
[16:57] <x85> lol
[16:57] <x85> why did i fall for the shiny
[16:57] <directhex> ebuyer will sell you a laptop for GBP160
[16:57] <penguin42> so why don't you just install it on your MBP?
[16:58] <x85> penguin42: that feels wrong morally and i don't want to have to mod the boot process
[16:58] <directhex> any mbp, regardless of age, has a crazy high resale value
[16:59] <penguin42> x85: You don't need to modify stuff, MBP is just a PC
[16:59] <directhex> i'm on a mbp w/ ubuntu right now.
[16:59] <directhex> penguin42: with a crap firmware tho
[16:59] <directhex> penguin42: and crap components by broadcom
[16:59] <penguin42> directhex: That crap?
[17:00] <directhex> penguin42: well the webcam doesn't work, wifi doesn't work after suspend, and wifi barely works pre-suspend
[17:00] <directhex> penguin42: and upgrading the osx partition to 10.10 totally screwed with dual-booting
[17:00] <penguin42> impressively screwed up
[17:01] <directhex> i "fixed" it, but it now takes 30s longer to boot
[17:01] <x85> it is doable of course but it just doesn't sit right
[17:01] <shauno> well, they work, just linux has terribad hardware supprt.  it's not a desktop OS.
[17:01] <directhex> broadcom fights to stop driver support on linux.
[17:04] <x85> i guess i'll just go to cex
[17:04] <m0nkey_> bah, why does it have to be a public holiday today?
[17:04] <m0nkey_> parts for my PC build are on the island. but wont be delivered until monday.
[17:04] <penguin42> m0nkey_ island?
[17:05] <directhex> cex is crazy overpriced for pc stuff. but a cash converters or similar pawn shop might have undervalued stuff
[17:06] <penguin42> yeh cex can be fun when you spot something that's got a good price - but they do a 6month guarantee
[17:06] <directhex> ebuyer will sell desktops for GBP150, if you don't want a laptop for GBP160
[17:07] <m0nkey_> penguin42, heh yeah.. island. Montreal.
[17:07]  * m0nkey_ is a brit ex-pat
[17:09] <x85> ex-pat?
[17:09] <x85> moved out of uk?
[17:10] <penguin42> I was going to joke about you moving out to get some warmth, but but Montreal....
[17:10] <m0nkey_> lol
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, apart from the moose attacks it's probably still more pleasent weather... :-)
[17:13] <penguin42> do you class moose attacks as weather?
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> lots of spittle :-)
[18:23] <Myrtti> I fixed my "I need more stuff from Amazon" problem by buying a pack of colouring pencils ^____^
[18:43] <mapps> well thats annoying
[18:43] <mapps> ts a holy day so nowhere open..i thought the store would be but reduced hours
[18:43] <mapps> thought morrisons would be open till 4/5
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> mapps, they are as far as we know not closing down prior to 4th May... is there something you know that we don't
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> & if you do know something - tell their poor underpaid staff!
[18:52] <mapps> hah;]
[18:52] <mapps> had mcdonalds for lunch gonna have to get a kebab fkr dinner
[19:15] <dogmatic69_> omg http://store.steampowered.com/app/347250/
[19:15] <dogmatic69_> Many hours spent on that game
[19:17] <shauno> odd.  I wonder why the publisher have decided to stick pictures of a f117 all over a game called f19
[19:18] <ali12341> shauno: because when the game was made nobody knew the real codename of the aircraft
[19:19] <ali12341> the later rereleased the same game as f117
[19:19] <shauno> oh the game has it right.  but not whoever's rebundled it
[19:20] <ali12341> no, the game was released by microprose under both names back in the day
[19:20] <shauno> right, I had f-117 on the amiga
[19:21] <ali12341> "MicroProse released the game on the same day that the United States military first admitted the existence of its F-117A Nighthawk stealth fighter.[2] Before the game's release many had speculated on a missing aircraft in the United States Air Force's numbering system, the F-19.  The game was based on an educated guess about what the secret stealth  fighter would be like. Subsequent revisions of the game incorporated the  actual F-117 as well as
[19:24] <shauno> well, I still think it's jarring that the aircraft on the box isn't the one used in their marketting
[19:25] <ali12341> the box... on steamplay?
[19:25] <shauno> to be clear, I'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-19_Stealth_Fighter
[19:26] <shauno> you're conflating it with 2.0, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Hawk:_F-117A_Stealth_Fighter_2.0
[19:26] <ali12341> the "f19" looks almost identical to an f117 because they looked at photos taken by the kind of people who make a hobby out of photographing top secret experimental aircraft
[19:26] <shauno> almost identical in that they both have wings?
[19:26] <shauno> otherwise one has the face-on profile of a flying saucer, the other looks like a pyramid
[19:27] <ali12341> seems like the game was released with two different covers
[19:28] <ali12341> http://wordofthenerdonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/07/Z0072320.jpg vs http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ybkDh_6XARU/U4rkUipKOmI/AAAAAAAAAck/fIz9jncUYY0/s1600/ebay1.jpg
[19:48] <ali12341> yeah so i just don't get where you're seeing a f117 on a f19 cover
[19:48] <ali12341> anyway, these were really good games back in the day
[19:48] <ali12341> pretty much the perfect balance between arcade fun and simulation
[19:48] <ali12341> someone should remake them with nicer graphics
[20:01] <shauno> right, that's why I was complaining about it being a different aircraft shown in the marketting (on dogmatic's link)
[20:01] <shauno> the video, the headshot, don't use the same aircraft shown in-game, on the box, etc
[20:11] <foobarry> guys, who's tried the arc welder thing to run android apps from chrome!?!
[20:11] <foobarry> its great
[20:14] <foobarry> running evernote atm
[20:32] <daftykins> o0
[20:35] <daftykins> in lieu of a real android device?
[20:36] <foobarry> complements it
[20:36] <foobarry> because evernote on linux sucks
[20:37] <foobarry> the web interface sucks
[20:37] <foobarry> and wine does too
[20:37]  * zmoylan-pi misses the palm os memo app with desktop syncing
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> these days i use a text file on dropbox and have it favourited on tablet
[20:40] <foobarry> i'm going whole hog lately
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> hmmmmm, bacon
[20:40] <foobarry> taking photos of things and sharing other notes for collab etc
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> i take loads of pics but leave the pics on the phone and just refer to tham as i need them
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> apart from those put up on twitter
[20:42] <foobarry> i write shopping lists and look at them while in front of the things
[20:42] <foobarry> like in b&q etc
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> i just throw them into memopad on nokia dumbphone as that will be in my pocket as i listen to radio/mp3s on it while out and about
[20:43] <foobarry> microserver going cheap http://www.ebuyer.com/517760-hp-proliant-gen8-g1610t-microserver-712317-421
[20:48] <daftykins> oh ebuyer, don't even list the spec
[21:10] <Myrtti> https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/16401104064/ simmost sitte
[21:10] <Myrtti> ie. "and that is how the cookie crumbles"
[21:11] <diddledan> Myrtti: that's pretty
[21:12] <Myrtti> I see now why they've printed the pattern only on one side of the page
[21:13] <Myrtti> printing on the next page is transferred on the back of the page being coloured because of the pressure
[21:41] <dogmatic69_> ali12341: the graphics is on par with minecraft :P
[23:00] <mapps> time to go get some dinner;D
[23:07] <x85> hi hi
[23:09] <daftykins> oh hello again
[23:18] <x85> daftykins: hey hows you
[23:19] <daftykins> not bad ta, yourself?
[23:21] <x85> not bad i ended up taking the hull back to tesco
[23:22] <daftykins> ah right
[23:23] <x85> charging issues
[23:23] <daftykins> mmm that was a bit of a drawback
[23:24] <x85> that and its still running 4.4.2?
[23:25] <daftykins> i think that's why it's so cheap
[23:26] <daftykins> no future :D
[23:28] <x85> lol
[23:28] <x85> i hate manufactures that do that 1 or 2 updates then nada
[23:30] <daftykins> do the hudls even get any at all?
[23:31] <x85> im not sure
[23:32] <daftykins> truth is the constant version update culture doesn't actually gain much other than bragging rights
[23:34] <x85> yea
[23:35] <daftykins> as long as security fixes are backported anywho
[23:36] <x85> i guess android isn't really a major thing for me
[23:37] <daftykins> i'm ok with it on my phone but that's about as far as it goes :>
[23:39] <x85> i would indeed like to see a native ubuntu slab
[23:40]  * penguin42 still assumes it's possible to get a hudl to run ubuntu
[23:41] <x85> probably is but i don't want to wait lol
[23:42] <x85> i don't care if all i have is a terminal
[23:42] <x85> lol
[23:42] <daftykins> tends to be best to buy things that are capable of something, not before they are :>


[06:48] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn and others
[06:48] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> whats a doodle
[06:48] <Kilos> as in the startrek doodle
[06:50] <Kilos> just a pic?
[07:07] <superfly> a doodle is a drawing you do when you're bored... I presume they mean the same thing?
[07:15] <Kilos> ty superfly  so at least doodling still means the same thing
[07:16] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know - I don't know what the star trek doodle is....
[07:16] <superfly> oh wait, are they talking about google's doodles?
[07:17] <Kilos> nor me but niece mailed me a pic and i wondered if that is what merryjay was talking about last night
[07:18] <superfly> bwahahaha
[07:18] <superfly> yes, google has a star trek doodle
[07:18] <Kilos> i sent it to youre mail
[07:18] <Kilos> is that it
[07:20] <Kilos> spells out google
[08:00] <Kilos> hi queery
[10:56] <tumbleweed> bugger, we missed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[11:23] <inetpro> It’s Official: The Ubuntu LiveCD is Dead http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/its-official-the-ubuntu-livecd-is-dead
[11:42] <tumbleweed> you get 800MB CDs
[11:42] <tumbleweed> but it's also been "official" for a while
[11:42] <tumbleweed> we decided to start raising the image sizes a few UDSs ago
[11:57] <Kilos> thats sad
[11:59] <tumbleweed> the argument is fairly straight-forwarrd
[11:59] <tumbleweed> most people install from flash drives
[11:59] <tumbleweed> and trying to keep a working desktop on 1 CD was getting close to impossible
[12:00] <tumbleweed> we still have the tiny netinst CD (30MB)
[12:00] <Kilos> so tell about the 800m cds tumbleweed
[12:03] <tumbleweed> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Physical_characteristics
[12:04] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I install from flash drive as well
[12:04] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what's the reasoning behind limiting it to 800MB specifically? Why not a bit more?
[12:04] <tumbleweed> we add 50MB each release
[12:04] <Kilos> inetpro, thats fine for geeks but methinks many prospective users will now go to other flavours
[12:05] <Kilos> tumbleweed, take some of the office stuff out and make them installable later
[12:05] <tumbleweed> how about people without internet access?
[12:05] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[12:06] <tumbleweed> debian has hit similar trouble. It currently hase XFCE on the first CD, because gnome won't fit any more
[12:06] <inetpro> office should be absolutely standard software for everyone
[12:06] <tumbleweed> (even though, we geeks never use office software)
[12:06] <Kilos> lol
[12:06] <tumbleweed> apparently everyone eles does
[12:06] <inetpro> tumbleweed: eh
[12:06] <Kilos> yes but as with winsucks office can come later
[12:07] <tumbleweed> inetpro: when was the last time you used an office suite? I can't remember the last time I did
[12:07] <tumbleweed> but it was probably to read something someone had sent me
[12:07] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I use spreadsheets a lot
[12:07] <inetpro> and then I have started using Libreoffice draw more often lately
[12:07] <inetpro> using it for drawing network diagrams
[12:08] <Kilos> make office a separate cd
[12:08] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[12:08] <Kilos> lol
[12:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: when was the last time you used a CD?
[12:08] <tumbleweed> my laptop doesn't even have an optical drive
[12:08] <Kilos> everytime i install
[12:09]  * inetpro has no need for an optical drive either
[12:09] <tumbleweed> DVDs don't cost more than CDs
[12:09] <Kilos> only have a cdrom
[12:09] <tumbleweed> and nobody has a CD drive that can't read DVDs
[12:09] <Kilos> cdroms cant rewad dvds
[12:09] <Kilos> read
[12:09] <tumbleweed> right, but cdrom drives haven't been on the market for years
[12:10] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I think there might be a few around still but I agree it's time to move on
[12:10] <Kilos> dvd can read cd but not vice versa
[12:10] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yes, but nobody has bought one in at laest 5 years
[12:10] <tumbleweed> and drives more than 5 years old are pretty unlikely to be working
[12:10] <Kilos> lol i did
[12:11] <tumbleweed> where did you find one?
[12:11] <inetpro> I think it's time for DVD players to come with a USB port
[12:11] <Kilos> pc shop
[12:11] <tumbleweed> inetpro: they usually do
[12:11] <inetpro> tumbleweed: serious!?
[12:11]  * inetpro didn't know that
[12:11] <Kerbero> usb host or usb client port?
[12:11] <inetpro> video shops should rent out usb flash drives :-)
[12:12] <inetpro> or allow you to pay per download
[12:12] <tumbleweed> Kilos: you sure it doesn't support DVDs too?
[12:13] <Kilos> yip tumbleweed ive tried
[12:13]  * tumbleweed googles for cd-rom drive and just finds dvd drives
[12:13] <Kilos> yeah times move on
[12:13] <Kilos> sadly
[12:13] <Kilos> many old pcs will stay on win xp
[12:14] <inetpro> hmm... did I tell about ABSA still using XP on their ATM machines?
[12:14] <inetpro> the other day I had this scary experience
[12:15] <inetpro> was trying to withdraw money when the machine suddenly just started hanging
[12:15] <Kilos> xp was a good os for windows
[12:15] <Kilos> ai
[12:15] <inetpro> and while I was trying to phone the number suddenly the thing started rebooting
[12:16] <inetpro> I was shocked to see XP booting up
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <inetpro> luckily it kicked out my card
[12:16] <inetpro> I turned around and went to seek for another machine
[12:17] <Kilos> lucky
[13:03] <kodez> kilos: what do you mean by saying "many old pcs will stay on win xp"
[13:03] <kodez> haven't you heard about ubuntu?
[13:03] <kodez> lubuntu?
[13:03] <Kilos> those that cant load 7 off a dvd or new ubuntu's
[13:03] <kodez> greetings everyone
[13:04] <Kilos> its fine now still one can make a copy of a cd and offer it to someone who wants to leave winsucks
[13:04] <kodez> lubuntu is working much better than win xp, even though i respect xp in the win xp
[13:05] <Kilos> i havent tried lubuntu
[13:05] <kodez> does anyone know where i can buy cd+rw?
[13:05] <Kilos> are they not also gonna go dvd
[13:05] <Kilos> look in chinese pc shops
[13:06] <kodez> kilos: i had installed lubuntu12.04 on my mother's old laptop and its working better than win xp
[13:06] <tumbleweed> lubuntu is currently at 686MB
[13:06] <Kilos> hi kodez
[13:07] <Kilos> yeah but one has to download it tumbleweed
[13:07] <Kilos> our cds come from canonical
[13:08] <tumbleweed> canonical only distributes CDs of flavours they support
[13:09] <tumbleweed> DVDs now, I guess
[13:09] <Kilos> yeah
[13:09] <Kilos> so i gotta invest in a dvdrom
[13:09] <Kilos> i kinda got used to unity
[13:10] <tumbleweed> get a flash drive
[13:10] <kodez> hi uncle Kilos
[13:10] <Kilos> kodez, where are you?
[13:10] <Kilos> and how do i get it for the flash tumbleweed
[13:10] <tumbleweed> download it
[13:11] <Kilos> lol
[13:11] <tumbleweed> 800MB costs R10 to download on DSL
[13:11] <Kilos> and older pcs cant boot from flash drives
[13:12] <tumbleweed> only really old ones
[13:12] <Kilos> 3g?
[13:13] <tumbleweed> probably ~R100
[13:13] <tumbleweed> less if you buy a big bundle
[13:13] <Kilos> if i had adsl i would have downloaded all the flavours already
[13:13] <Kilos> and played with 12.10 too
[13:13] <kodez> Kilos: I eside in Mamelodi East, just next to Hans Strydom
[13:14] <kodez> reside
[13:14] <kodez> not far from MaxCity Complex
[13:17] <Kilos> one gets lots of the older pc goodies from chinese shops or even worth a try at indian shops
[13:18] <Kilos> we even got a 80G ide drive from one in pta coupla years ago
[13:19] <Kilos> or last resort is second hand from shops that do pc upgrading
[14:08] <inetpro> who's going to Software Freedom Day next weekend?
[14:09] <inetpro> oh and I mean Software Freedom Day at Wits in JHB
[14:10]  * inetpro is thinking about taking the Gautrain
[14:33] <Kilos> inetpro, you got 5 mins?
[14:35] <inetpro> Kilos: in a minute or two
[14:35] <Kilos> k
[14:35] <superfly> inetpro: does the Gautrain have a station in Cape Town?
[14:35] <Kilos> lol
[14:38] <inetpro> superfly: would be nice
[14:38] <inetpro> Kilos: ok shoot
[14:38] <Kilos> i have 2 ubuntu pcs showing cable connected must i go with remote desktop to see the other one
[14:39] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm
[14:40] <inetpro> now this one could twist into many different topics
[14:40] <inetpro> so lets' start at the basics
[14:40] <Kilos> oh my
[14:41] <Kilos> if its gonna take lots of your time dont worry now
[14:41] <Kilos> is there a link i can read up on it
[14:41] <inetpro> I guess you should just start by having both laptops configured on the ethernet interface with IP addresses and netmasks in the same range
[14:41] <inetpro> Kilos: are they both ubuntu?
[14:42] <Kilos> ya 12.04 and 11.04
[14:42] <inetpro> ok which one do you connect with to the interwebs?
[14:42] <inetpro> I guess 12.04?
[14:42] <Kilos> 12.04
[14:43] <Kilos> 3g
[14:43] <Kilos> but modem can go to either one
[14:43] <inetpro> do you have an IP address assigned to the cable/ethernet interface?
[14:44] <inetpro> with network manager
[14:44] <Kilos> ya i think so
[14:44] <inetpro> can you confirm
[14:44] <inetpro> go to cli
[14:44] <inetpro> ifconfig -a
[14:45] <inetpro> or sudo ifconfig -a
[14:45] <Kilos> must i pste it?
[14:46] <Kilos> paste
[14:46] <inetpro> may be a bit long
[14:46] <Kilos> lotsa info
[14:46] <Kilos> go my channel
[14:46] <inetpro> hmm... I be on ##kilos
[16:01] <smile> Hi all :)
[16:26] <smile> Writing an e-mail in Afrikaans is not easy if it's a long one :p
[16:45] <inetpro> smile: hoekom?
[16:46] <smile> inetpro: Ek het 'n kennis in Suid-Afrika :p
[16:46] <inetpro> wb not_found
[16:46] <not_found> hi and thanks inetpro
[16:49] <superfly> ohi not_found
[16:49] <not_found> hey superfly :)
[16:51] <Kilos> hi not_found you well?
[16:52] <not_found> hey uncle Kilos ... all is well as always thanks... and over there in sunny SA?
[16:54] <Kilos> we all ok ty neil
[16:54] <Kilos> still cold though
[16:55] <not_found> should start warming up soon... we are loosing our heat and it must be going someplace :)
[16:56] <Kilos> it did then we had a bit of rain and big cold fronts
[16:57] <Kilos> not down to freezing again but days of 17 and 19
[16:57] <Kilos> i like days of 30
[16:58] <Kilos> 9 days to next meeting i think
[18:32] <smile> bye :)
[18:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <zeref> hurrrmmmm


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[06:36] <micahg> buildd admin available?  the lpia PPA queue is currently > 1day, could one of the i386 PPAs be switched to lpia?
[06:59] <wgrant> micahg: Mmm. Why are you still building for karmic?
[06:59] <wgrant> Ah, and hardy.
[06:59] <micahg> wgrant: yeah, daily PPAs, those should stop in a month
[06:59] <StevenK> Didn't karmic just EOL?
[06:59] <wgrant> StevenK: Not for threeish weeks.
[06:59] <StevenK> Bah
[06:59] <wgrant> micahg: Does anybody use them?
[07:00] <micahg> wgrant: unfortunately :(
[07:00] <StevenK> Dapper is dead for servers in 2ish months
[07:00] <wgrant> Anybody using a daily PPA on hardy or karmic is probably invalid...
[07:00] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes :(
[07:00] <StevenK> wgrant: That makes you sad?
[07:00] <wgrant> StevenK: It is sad/scary that the first LTS is going to die.
[07:01] <StevenK> First release I worked on, too.
[07:01] <wgrant> Considering I joined the development community just after it :)
[07:01] <wgrant> Right.
[07:01]  * hyperair still builds daily banshee builds for karmic though...
[07:02] <wgrant> micahg: I've thrown two more builders at it.
[07:03] <micahg> wgrant: thanks, once the backlog catches up, I think we only need 3 to keep it < 24 hrs
[07:03] <wgrant> micahg: Yeah, probably. I've considered moving one there before... but I hate lpia too much to do that :)
[07:03]  * StevenK grumbles at lpia's continued existance.
[07:04]  * micahg wonders if one of the archive lpia builders will switch to i386 once Dapper is dead
[07:04] <wgrant> Hopefully nobody uses lpia servers.
[07:04] <wgrant> micahg: dapper doesn't have lpia.
[07:04] <wgrant> hardy/karmic do.
[07:04] <wgrant> karmic dies in three weeks.
[07:04] <wgrant> Hmm.
[07:04] <wgrant> As does hardy desktop. Wow.
[07:04] <micahg> oh, right :)
[07:04] <StevenK> And it could be argued hardy lpia isn't LTS-worthy
[07:05] <StevenK> But we have no precedent for killing it
[07:05] <micahg> so maybe next month we get an extra i386 builder? :)
[07:05] <wgrant> Maybe.
[07:05] <wgrant> We'll see.
[07:06] <StevenK> I wonder if we could disable hardy's lpia DAS.
[07:06] <wgrant> Those are the only two elements, though :(
[07:06] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes, but ew.
[07:06] <StevenK> Haha
[07:06] <micahg> wgrant: couldn't they keep their names even if repurposed?
[07:07] <wgrant> micahg: Yes, but they look completely different from the rest, so I hate them :P
[07:08] <micahg> wgrant: ah, I thought you were being nostalgic
[07:10] <maxb> Is it confirmed that karmic PPA builds get switched off before jaunty ones, then?
[07:10] <wgrant> maxb: Probably not, sadly.
[07:10] <wgrant> But I will strongly encourage people to turn theirs off :)
[07:12] <micahg> wgrant: wow, that backlog wnet fast
[07:14] <wgrant> micahg: I suspect lots of them were superseded.
[07:14] <wgrant> Let me check the log.
[07:42] <fta2> wgrant, hey
[07:42] <wgrant> fta2: Hi.
[07:42] <fta2> i've updated my script to filter stats per package: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/stats/stats.html
[07:43] <wgrant> fta2: Hmmm, that legend is a little unhelpful :)
[07:43] <fta2> it's just for me atm
[07:43] <fta2> (it's not generated by the tool itself)
[07:46] <fta2> wgrant, if you figure out what's wrong with the raw stats, will it be possible to regenerate the whole lot?
[07:47] <wgrant> fta2: We should be able to, but it will take a while :)
[07:47] <wgrant> There's a *lot* of logs.
[07:49] <fta2> wgrant, btw, polling stats for the -daily ppa took 4h. polling the other 3 channels took between 9 and 20min each
[07:50] <fta2> quite an improvement
[08:12] <fta2> wgrant, anyway, you said my legend is unhelpful, i tend to disagree. it's not wrong afaik, and it may give clues to a reader passing by as to why some figures look weird
[08:13] <wgrant> fta2: Well, I was talking about the one that was about 20 pages long, and most of them were black :P
[08:14] <fta2> ?
[08:14] <fta2> today? or during my (live) tests yesterday?
[08:15] <wgrant> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/stats/stats.html
[08:15] <wgrant> Ot
[08:15] <wgrant> It's actually only a few pages.
[08:16] <fta2> refresh, maybe
[08:16] <fta2> looks ok here, with a list on the right
[08:18] <wgrant> It overlays the right half of the graph, and extends through the lower graph, and then some distance down the page.
[09:09] <mrevell> Hey
[09:11] <poolie> hi mrevell
[09:39] <fta2> wgrant, sorry, i was out of my office.
[09:40] <fta2> wgrant, i'm not sure what you're seeing. here is what i have: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/stats/ppa-stats.ogv
[09:50] <fta2> uh, it's broken in ff4
[11:52] <doko> good morning
[11:52] <doko> I get very often timeouts on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ftbfs+natty+v4l&field.tags_combinator=ALL and the like
[11:52] <doko> however I would like to post this link ...
[11:52] <doko> and others
[15:37] <bcurtiswx> I just received an error when marking a bug a duplicate of another, where the bug had duplicates of its own.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/589290/
[15:39] <johan> Hi, I tried to remotely upgrade a branch of a project in launchpad and it failed in the middle
[15:39] <johan> How can I restore the old branch, push to lp: fails, even with --override
[15:42] <sinzui> johan: a upgrade to format 2a?
[15:42] <johan> sinzui: yes
[15:42] <johan> used to be 0.92-something
[15:43] <sinzui> johan: I have not seen a upgrade fail. `bzr update` may find and fix the revision issues
[15:43] <johan> the project is "stoqlib", and https://code.launchpad.net/~stoq-dev/stoqlib/master
[15:44] <johan> sinzui: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589295/
[15:45] <johan> I did an uncommit+commit and pushing it again to see if it works
[15:45] <sinzui> johan: I recall that in the branches's .bzr/ directory is a backup of the old format. move that dir to a new location and push with --overwrite
[15:45] <kamusin> folks, last week I submited I special tzdata package to my own ppa repository but it seems like never was published, however if you try to resubmit dput says that exists..
[15:46] <johan> sinzui: I did the upgrade remotely, so the backup is remote as well
[15:46] <bigjools> kamusin: dput will always say that, use -f
[15:46] <bigjools> kamusin: did you get an acceptance email for the original upload?
[15:46] <kamusin> bigjools, nope..
[15:46] <kamusin> nothing..
[15:46] <bigjools> then it failed to upload
[15:47] <bigjools> kamusin: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/227
[15:47] <kamusin> heh bigjools thank you ;)
[15:48] <bigjools> np
[15:55] <sinzui> johan: I think you are experiencing bug 636930 which is marked fixed. What does bzr --version say?
[15:55] <johan> sinzui: 2.2.0
[15:58] <johan> sinzui: seems like a bug in launchpad though, that it still permits bzr clients without the fixed included to do upgrades which are known to fail
[15:59] <sinzui> johan: I think we need to wait about 6 hours for some bzr experts to come online. I see two issues here. 1, getting your branch usable again, 2. getting Lp to use 2.2.1 (or 2.3.1)
[15:59] <sinzui> johan: I agree. Lp is letting users shoot themselves in the foot.
[16:01] <sinzui> abentley: maxb: do either you you know how to convince Lp to backout a failed branch upgrade
[16:01] <johan> sinzui: I'm trying to sort out the first issue myself
[16:01] <johan> taking ages to upload a new branch on a slow connection though
[16:01] <sinzui> :(
[16:02] <abentley> sinzui: rename backup.bzr to .bzr.
[16:02] <johan> am I allowed to do that remotely?
[16:02] <sinzui> abentley: the branch is on our servers, which is still a common setup for users
[16:02] <abentley> sinzui: Right.  That doesn't change my answer.
[16:03] <sinzui> abentley: so I request a losa to do it
[16:03] <abentley> sinzui: I don't understand why you would do that.
[16:04] <sinzui> abentley: the pastbin shows the backup is on a server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/589295/
[16:06] <abentley> sinzui: You mean on codehosting?  Yes.
[16:06] <abentley> sinzui: Still, you don't need a losa to do filesystem operations on your hosted branches.
[16:07] <abentley> sinzui: codehosting is accessible via sftp, so any sftp client should be able do do this, including Nautilus.
[16:07] <johan> sinzui: managed to restore the branch
[16:07] <sinzui> I did not know that
[16:07] <abentley> sinzui: Or you could use hitchhiker.
[16:07] <sinzui> abentley: I am schooled.
[16:08] <maxb> I recall having difficulty finding sftp clients that would successfully mv things
[16:08] <sinzui> johan: I am reporting a bug with a pointer to your pastebin about Lp allowing users to attempt operations it knows will fail
[16:09] <abentley> maxb: There can be problems if you try to use a disallowed name, but otherwise it's a bug and please report it.
[16:09] <johan> sinzui: sounds fine to me, not sure how long the pastebin will last though, so you might want to copy the content to an attachment or so
[16:12] <johan> abentley: nautilus says: Cannot display location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:12] <bcurtiswx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/747066
[16:12] <bcurtiswx> set it as dup of  #748535
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> you'll get the error
[16:16] <abentley> johan: It appears you need to use the true URL<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:18] <sinzui> bcurtiswx: It worked for me. I think you experienced a cold cache timeout. Since the bugs other duplicates were in cache, I was able to do it
[16:18] <abentley> johan: actually, the other URL works too, but you have to use % not %25 for the percent sign.
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> sinzui, great then. thx :)
[16:19] <sinzui> bcurtiswx: you hit bug 691352
[16:19] <johan> abentley: thanks!
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> Ok thx
[17:33] <maxb> If there's a LOSA around not embroiled in other matters: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/117193 is a request to accept a ssh host key as importd@{pear,russkaya,neumayer,galapagos}.
[17:33] <maxb> I'm binging about it because it accidentally got marked Answered, and no one noticed for several months, until the original reported privmsged me recently.
[18:16] <micahg> sinzui: I just got a 504 gateway timeout
[18:16] <sinzui> micahg: doing what?
[18:16] <micahg> sinzui: converting to question
[18:17] <sinzui> micahg: That is a common timeout. You can try a few times
[18:17] <micahg> sinzui: yes, but it doesn't show an LP timeout page, but just text
[18:17] <sinzui> micahg: which question
[18:18] <sinzui> sorry bug
[18:18] <micahg> bug 741173
[18:19] <sinzui> wow. I cannot even get the bug to load without a timout
[18:20] <sinzui> I wish I was on maintenance for another month so that I could work on this bug
[18:21] <mrevell> A video about source package builds: http://youtu.be/_bG-SXNX9Ww?hd=1
[18:22] <micahg> sinzui: is there something for me to file?
[18:23] <sinzui> I do not think so
[18:23] <micahg> well, is there an issue for LP timeouts not showing an LP page, but a plaintext page?
[18:24] <sinzui> No there is not
[18:25] <micahg> sinzui: is that worth filing?
[18:28] <sinzui> micahg: I wouldn't If you report it, someone may treat it as a separate bug. Since timeouts showing me the correct page, I think the issue is not in launchpads code so the bug will with be invalidated and/or it becomes an rt to look at server setups
[18:29] <micahg> I'm just worried if i'm getting them, other users might be as well
[18:30] <sinzui> file the bug then
[18:30] <micahg> ok
[18:31] <micahg> I'll attach a screenshot so it's more clear
[18:32]  * micahg will ask a question instead since it's not clear it's a bug in code
[18:33] <micahg> err, no images on questions :(
[19:08] <thiebaude> Unknown confirmation code.
[19:08] <thiebaude> thats what i get when i put in a field, im trying to create a new account, any ideas?
[21:30] <trijntje> Hi all, is there a way to export translation-suggestions from launchpad to a .po file?
[21:38] <sinzui> trijntje: no
[21:39] <trijntje> sinzui, to any other kind of file?
[21:39] <sinzui> No. Lp exports what is accepted, not suggested
[21:40] <trijntje> and there is no way around this?
[21:40] <sinzui> trijntje: Suggestions are global to Lp, not to a project/package/template. An export needs to match what is in a template to all Lp
[21:41] <sinzui> trijntje: I cannot think of a way.
[21:43] <trijntje> sinzui, I think launchpad knows what package a suggestions belongs to, because it displays 'suggested by personX for projectY' when showing suggestions
[21:44] <sinzui> Suggestions do not "belong" to a package. They are shared
[21:45] <sinzui> trijntje: I do not see any bugs about this. I think you are the first to request such a feature
[21:48] <trijntje> I also tried searching the web for this option but got no results
[21:49] <trijntje> well, Ill ask around for a bit and see if there are other people who would like this feature
[21:49] <trijntje> if not, I'll have to live with it ;)
[21:49] <trijntje> thanks for your time sinzui
[23:19] <marcster> hmm - not sure I'm in the right area... anybody willing to help sort out an apt sources problem?
[23:26] <EvilPhoenix> marcster:  did ya try #ubuntu yet?
[23:28] <marcster> EvilPhoenix, nope - saw people with a similar problem recommend this channel. But I'll give it a look. Thanks
[23:37] <nigelb> hi
[23:37] <nigelb> jcastro was just looking at https://launchpad.net/unity/+series
[23:38] <nigelb> it shows 805 bugs as fix released
[23:38] <nigelb> but looking at an advanced seach https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED shows 1049
[23:39] <nigelb> is there a reason for this discrepancy?
[23:39] <nigelb> lifeless: ^^ a little help? :)
[23:41] <micahg> nigelb: maybe some aren't milestoned to a series
[23:41] <nigelb> micahg: argh, right.
[23:41] <nigelb> that does sound right
[23:44] <lifeless> yup
[23:44] <lifeless> targeted vs untargeted
[23:44] <nigelb> thanks micahg :)
[23:44] <lifeless> mm
[23:44] <lifeless> may also be a bug
[23:44] <nigelb> lifeless: I blame the early morning for not figuring that out earlier :)
[23:44] <nigelb> *earlier myself
[23:44] <lifeless> in that untargeted bugs are meant to be accounted for on the default series
[23:44] <nigelb> aha
[23:45] <lifeless> this is a hangover from when we permitted projects *without a default series*
[23:45] <lifeless> so please file a bug
[23:45] <nigelb> against lp?
[23:45] <lifeless> yup
[23:45] <nigelb> doing that now :)
[23:45] <lifeless> yeah - https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/trunk
[23:45] <lifeless> There are currently no bugs filed against trunk
[23:46] <nigelb> which is wrong?
[23:46] <lifeless> kindof
[23:46] <lifeless> there is a Big Picture Refactoring underlying this
[23:46] <lifeless> I'm still gathering data - which your bug report will go towards
[23:46] <lifeless> we may be able to simplify the DB, make things faster, by getting rid of untargeted bugs.
[23:47] <lifeless> something like: all bugs start targeted on the default series; can be moved to another series, or targeted additionally to another series.
[23:47] <lifeless> the discrepancy you are seeing would go away
[23:47] <nigelb> so now we have a bunch of orphans which go no where
[23:47] <lifeless> as would things like 'nominate to trunk' being a special case.
[23:49] <nigelb> lifeless: bug 750819
[23:49] <lifeless> thanks
[23:50] <nigelb> Also, the prompt which I get post bug filing has a small error
[23:50] <nigelb> If you want to you can help fix the bug you are reporting. See <https://dev.launchpad.net/> for more information.
[23:50] <nigelb> Shouldn't it be "reporting, see"
[23:53] <lifeless> it can go either way
[23:53] <lifeless> two sentences is fine AFAICR my grammar rules
[23:54] <nigelb> I had to google AFAICR, gosh :p
[23:56] <wgrant> It's OK as it is. I'd maybe say "to, you", or "reporting; see"
[23:59] <lifeless> its editable if you feel the urge
[23:59] <wgrant> I've already fixed it twice :)


[02:35] <Capum321> how to run a command after wake up - using anacron or system-sleep? - and parse? the login credentials?
[03:06] <Capum321> how to run a command, after wake up from sleep system - using anacron or system-sleep? - and parse? the login credentials? to DM so the script can run a GUI app like irssi?
[03:30] <Capum321> how to run a command, after wake up from sleep system - using anacron or system-sleep? - and parse? the login credentials to DM, so the script can run a GUI app
[11:52] <Capum321> how to run a command, after wake up from suspended system - with anacron or system-sleep ? - and parse? the login credentials to DM, so the script can run a GUI app, like a irc client.
[15:47] <Guest26568> good afternoon
[15:48] <Guest26568> tehnical question in installer i cant see my hard drive in lubuntu 14.04.3
[15:50] <Guest26568> in g partes it say /dev/zram0/1007.58 MiB
[15:51] <Guest26568> the herd drive is pata conected by pci to pata adapter
[15:55] <Guest26568> anzone here
[15:55] <Guest26568> anyone here
[16:19] <respawn> i dont understand how it can troll me so much that hard drive conected over pci adapter
[16:23] <respawn> it is an older Mb if i conect direct the bis gets wild
[16:23] <respawn> bios