[03:24] <PilotBob42> Anybody using 17.10 with an old EeeBox eb1012p?
[03:26] <PilotBob42> or an Asus EeePC netbook?
[03:37] <noahwheeler> Having trouble connecting raspberrypi to pixhawk ubuntu mate on raspi ?
[03:42] <PilotBob42> Not able to help ya on that, but after a quick Google that seems kinda neat.
[03:42] <PilotBob42> Do you fly?
[03:43] <noahwheeler> One lesson in piper 140 other than that working on programming drones
[03:44] <PilotBob42> Sweet, you got your drone FAA cert?
[03:44] <PilotBob42> I'm a Private Pilot here
[03:44] <noahwheeler> not yet
[03:45] <PilotBob42> on a long shot I might be able to help, what's your problem?
[03:46] <noahwheeler> I was able to run the dronkit file and connect with raspian on ttyS0 at 57600 baudrate
[03:46] <noahwheeler> But Raspian kept losing the wi-fi connection and I would have to reinstall the os
[03:47] <noahwheeler> So I finally gave up on Raspian after ten reinstalls , and installed ubuntu mate on the raspberry pi
[03:48] <noahwheeler> So i reset the the serial 0 to ttyAMA0 and the serial 1 to ttyS0
[03:49] <noahwheeler> But now when I try to connect with the autopilot with mavproxy it won't allow the connection
[03:50] <PilotBob42> it won't allow the serial connection?
[03:50] <noahwheeler> right
[03:51] <noahwheeler> I try to run the dronekit scripts , and also won't connect
[03:51] <PilotBob42> any kind of messages?
[03:52] <noahwheeler> can you log on and try it you can see for yourself
[03:53] <PilotBob42> are you coming off the GPIO connector to the Pix hawk?
[03:53] <noahwheeler> yes
[03:54] <noahwheeler> like I say it was connecting with Raspian but so far not with mate
[03:55] <PilotBob42> Have you come across this document in your searches?
[03:55] <PilotBob42> http://ardupilot.org/dev/docs/raspberry-pi-via-mavlink.html
[03:55] <noahwheeler> I guess ttyS0 was for the bluetooth so I went in to nano file and set to miniuart bt
[03:57] <PilotBob42> I've been doing something similar with a Pi3 running an LCD display off of the GPIO for an Asterisk linked UHF repeater, but I'm not sure that's similar enough for me to be able to help you.
[03:57] <noahwheeler> probably and I tried to run the mavproxy.py --master=/dev/ttyAMAo baudrate 57600
[03:57] <noahwheeler> AMA0
[04:00] <PilotBob42> what version of the Pi is it? Original, 2 or 3?
[04:01] <noahwheeler> 3
[04:01] <PilotBob42> "On newer versions of Raspberry Pi 3 the uart serial connection may be disable by default. In order to enable serial connection on the Raspberry Pi edit /boot/config.txt and set enable_uart=1. the build-in serial port is /dev/ttyS0."
[04:03] <noahwheeler> right it is set up that way but I changed it because the youtubers say that ttyS0 is the bluetooth and the true seril port is AMA0 so I reset it but still no connection .
[04:04] <PilotBob42> you might have better luck figuring out why Raspbian was dropping wifi.
[04:05] <noahwheeler> so now the ls -l /dev tells serial0 as AMA0 , and serial1 as ttyS0
[04:06] <noahwheeler> No because now I have run the Mate for two days -ssh -remote desktop etc... no problems at all I think I can eventually connect just have to keep at it
[04:09] <PilotBob42> well, good luck. I hope you get it, but you're over my head. I know it took me about a week to get my Pi3 talking to my LCD right on Arch Linux, but I did eventually get it. I'm sure you will too.
[04:09] <noahwheeler> if you youtube the video "Connect a Raspberry Pi to a Pixhawk running Ardupilot/PX4" you will see what I'm trying to do
[04:11] <noahwheeler> Thanks nice talking to you Bob I know this is the OS for the Raspberry pi , and I will make the connection eventually
[04:12] <noahwheeler> Check out that video if you ever get a chance the guy is good
[04:12] <PilotBob42> I do see a part where they talk about preventing Raspbian from taking control of the serial port. Not sure how to accomplish the same thing on Ubuntu Mate.
[04:13] <PilotBob42> Will do, good luck.
[04:15] <noahwheeler> yeah everytime it found a new wi-fi connection I coukld no longer ssh from windows pc ? Had to go to the wpa_supplicant.conf file and delete the new wi-fi and eventually it just wouldn't connect ssh ?
[04:15] <noahwheeler> So I gave up on it
[04:16] <PilotBob42> I'd have a better chance helping you solve that wifi issue then this serial one. sounds like it was auto joining open wifis.
[04:17] <noahwheeler> It got so bad It wouldn't even find the original wi-fi connection ???
[04:17] <noahwheeler> and adding them to the wpa_supplicant file ???
[04:17] <noahwheeler> I couldn't figure it out
[04:19] <PilotBob42> do you have more than one sd card for the pi?
[04:19] <noahwheeler> I could get another one no problem
[04:20] <PilotBob42> Was gonna say you could explore both issues in parrallell, since the PixHawk commuity seems to be more Raspbian based you might have more luck on that front.
[04:20] <noahwheeler> I'm running the 32 gig samsung
[04:21] <PilotBob42> I can tell you that my Pi3 on Arch has been rock solid on connecting to wifi.
[04:22] <noahwheeler> well like I said with Mate no problems so far ! What I really wanted to do was to use my phone as a wi-fi hotspot and ssh to the terminal with my phone in the field so I could run python from terminal
[04:23] <PilotBob42> Sounds reasonable. totally geeky, but reasonable.
[04:24] <noahwheeler> Away from my home pc . I try to add my phone as a wi-fi hotspot , and the whole system crashed
[04:24] <noahwheeler> I lose ssh to phone , and pc ??
[04:24] <PilotBob42> really? that's not what I'd expect. nothing unusual about your hotspot or mobile provider? No funky APNs or anything?
[04:26] <noahwheeler> no but for some reason I set up the hotspot and the ubuntu mate won't even show it in the is -l /dev list
[04:27] <noahwheeler> I need the hotspot so I can ssh the terminal , and run the python script away from home !
[04:28] <noahwheeler> I don't know of any other way to start the python ?
[04:28] <PilotBob42> *confused* why would you expect to see the hotspot in /dev???
[04:28] <noahwheeler> unless I'm in my backyard with a laptop
[04:30] <noahwheeler> not /dev wherever you can see all the wi-fi available I can't remeber the command I wrote it down somewhere guessing the one I entered was it
[04:31] <PilotBob42> what kind of encryption on your hotspot WPA2? ow WEP
[04:31] <noahwheeler> iwlist ??
[04:31] <noahwheeler> yes WPA2
[04:32] <PilotBob42> 2.4 or 5ghz?
[04:32] <noahwheeler> either i set it to 5
[04:32] <noahwheeler> or
[04:34] <noahwheeler> If you watch the video you will see you have to start the script with python . The only way to do that with the raspberry pi on the drone is to ssh with a smartphone via wi-fi
[04:35] <PilotBob42> Well, the hardware must be good for it otherwise it would never connect under Ubuntu Mate. I'd try configuring Raspbian to use your hotspot, but I'd make sure it was the first and only SSID it ever connected to.
[04:35] <PilotBob42> If you've never connected to another SSID then your hotspot should be the only thing it autoconnects to
[04:35] <noahwheeler> If you are not right beside your home pc with Raspian ??? I can't really fly an HMF u580 in the house ???
[04:36] <PilotBob42> connect to you hotspot with the pi in your house, but only your hotspot. don't let it connect to your regular SSID
[04:37] <PilotBob42> then take the setup mobile.
[04:37] <PilotBob42> it should still connect to that hotspot SSID exclusively
[04:37] <noahwheeler> Yes I agree with you ! that was my other question ???  How to add a second ssid without losing the whole works ?
[04:38] <PilotBob42> somewhere along the way it's been given permission to connect to to open SSIDs. That's my best guess.
[04:38] <noahwheeler> I tried to just run the mobile hotspot but couldn't ssh with the pc ?
[04:38] <noahwheeler> I tried adding the mobile hotspot , and lost the whole works
[04:39] <PilotBob42> And the hotspot let's you SSH when under Ubuntu Mate?
[04:39] <noahwheeler> Ubuntu Mate can't find the hotspot yet ?
[04:40] <noahwheeler> I just loaded it yesterday
[04:40] <PilotBob42> Ah, so it's never worked under either?
[04:40] <noahwheeler> no ! it worked with raspian but corrupted the interface ?
[04:41] <PilotBob42> gotcha, but Ubuntu Mate has never connected to the hotspot succesfully? At least not yet?
[04:41] <PilotBob42> I'm worried you phone isn't allowing SSH traffic to pass laterally amongst connected clients.
[04:41] <noahwheeler> yeah so far it hasn't detected the hotspot
[04:43] <noahwheeler> I was able to ssh with raspian and run the python in the terminal on my phone ! but lost ssh to the pc everytime ???
[04:43] <noahwheeler> I'm not sure why ?
[04:43] <PilotBob42> before going any further on the serial issue, I'd make sure Ubuntu Mate can connect to the hotspot and that you can SSH, Cuz if you can't then it's all for not anyway.
[04:44] <noahwheeler> true
[04:44] <PilotBob42> is your phone rooted?
[04:44] <noahwheeler> So how can I get Mate to find the hotspot ?
[04:44] <noahwheeler> no
[04:45] <noahwheeler> I can root it though ! I've rooted Samsung before
[04:46] <PilotBob42> you might be SOL here, carrier hotspot features aren't meant to allow this sort of thing by default. they only support client web browsing really. your phone has to pass the traffic laterally, it's got to be able to be a router for your clients
[04:47] <noahwheeler> okay i will root it tomorrow
[04:47] <PilotBob42> That alone won't be enough.
[04:47] <noahwheeler> really ?
[04:48] <PilotBob42> You pay your carrir for a hotspot feature on your phone right?
[04:48] <noahwheeler> what do I have to do ?
[04:48] <noahwheeler> yyes
[04:49] <PilotBob42> Ok, so this is not for the faint of heart. If you brick your phone I'm not responsible... You have been warned... but...
[04:50] <PilotBob42> you'll probably need some sort of third party firmware for it. Cyanogenmod, Lineage OS, or something else. that means wiping your phone of all info and starting over.
[04:50] <noahwheeler> Yeah I'm listening
[04:50] <PilotBob42> what phone is it?
[04:51] <noahwheeler> Samsung Galaxy S8
[04:51] <noahwheeler> Let's brick this phone
[04:52] <noahwheeler> I love bricking
[04:52] <PilotBob42> S8 or S8+?
[04:52] <noahwheeler> just S8
[04:53] <noahwheeler> I love cyonegenmod
[04:54] <noahwheeler> Cyanogenmod
[04:54] <PilotBob42> OK, here is a good forum on rooting and third party ROMs for the S8. The Lineage OS 14.1 thread is probably a good place to start.
[04:54] <PilotBob42> https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/development
[04:55] <PilotBob42> Warning! you about to follow a rabbit hole that has no bottom! be preapred to spend days (if not weeks) learning all there is to know about this stuff!
[04:55] <PilotBob42> And you'll (at a minimum) lose all data on your phone (and you may brick it) trying to do this.
[04:56] <PilotBob42> but I think you'll find the build in tethering functionally in these ROMs unhindered as compared to your carrier's firmware.
[04:56] <noahwheeler> so what will be the benefits ?
[04:57] <noahwheeler> ahh!! I see
[04:57] <noahwheeler> well I found the site ! Do you think the mate will find the hotspot ?
[04:58] <PilotBob42> Not going to lie to you, you may go through all this trouble and still have the same problem. No guarantees.
[04:59] <noahwheeler> I'm a geek gotta try it right ?
[04:59] <PilotBob42> But I run a custom ROM on my devices and the carrier doesn't even know I can hotspot (let alone being able to restrict it)
[05:00] <noahwheeler> So how do I start the root process been a long time
[05:01] <noahwheeler> On the site all I see are thousands of decisions to try to make ?
[05:02] <PilotBob42> It's different for every device and I'm not a Samsung guy, so I'm not familiar with it, but all the info is there on XDA for it and that community is HUGE. Reasearch the ROMs well and choose something stable (as this is your PHONE) and follow the directions in that thread.
[05:02] <noahwheeler> you got a good starting point ?
[05:03] <PilotBob42> Start with the ones marked "[ROM][STABLE]..."
[05:04] <PilotBob42> OK, I'm off to bed. As a fellow pilot, I wish you luck in your endeavors!
[05:04] <noahwheeler> Okay , I will be back tomorrow night to tell you how I did ! But we still have to connect pi to pixhawk ? with Mate ... Maybe in the meantime you could watch that video , and see what I have to do ? I will be looking for you tomorrow after work ...
[05:05] <PilotBob42> okey, I'll try to get back on, but if the ROM makes your hotspot work then I suggest going back to Raspbian (perhaps using another SD card so you don't lose your place on Ubuntu Mate).
[05:07] <noahwheeler> Okay sounds like a plan I will grab one on my way home 64 bit this time
[05:07] <noahwheeler> 64 gig
[05:07] <PilotBob42> Roger, good night
[05:08] <noahwheeler> Roger that
[08:44] <Daniel> Hello
[08:44] <Guest58936> Im a new user and i need Help
[08:44] <Guest58936> Can someone help me
[08:44] <alkisg> !ask
[08:45] <alkisg> You ask and then you wait for answers, sometimes minutes some times even hours
[08:45] <Guest58936> I need apps like Zipgenius and Steam , but i didn't finded the right download for Ubuntu
[08:47] <diogenes_> Guest58936, afaik steam should be available.
[08:47] <diogenes_> no clue about the other one.
[08:48] <Faults> Yup, Steam is available in Boutique
[09:57] <baimafeima> Hi I am wondering if someone can give me some tips on which file system to use on an external SSD drive
[09:57] <baimafeima> should I go for NTFS or ext4?
[10:04] <diogenes_> baimafeima, if you go with ext4, then it will not be detected on a windows machine.
[10:04] <baimafeima> diogenes_, I know but I have also heard that ext4 can be problematic by writing log files onto the SSD, thereby potentially shortening its life span?
[10:06] <diogenes_> baimafeima, I haven't switched to ssds as yed, don't really wanna trust my data to an ssd so, can't tell you for sure.
[10:06] <diogenes_> yet*
[10:10] <baimafeima> diogenes_, I see, is there a greater risk when using an external SSD for data storage as opposed to an HDD? I thought HDDs are less durable
[10:11] <diogenes_> baimafeima, they are not less durable, you just have to learn how to use them right and they will serve you 10+ years, the problem with SSDs is that they can die instantly without a warning, unlike HDDs, When a HDD is about to die, it becomes slow and there you have a chance to backuo your data, not the case of SSDs
[10:12] <diogenes_> besides, SSDs have limited write time, you can't forever write data and delete.
[10:14] <baimafeima> diogenes_, I see, this is really good to know, now I have a thought...would it make sense to format my external SSD in such a way that I have two partitions, one NTFS and one ext4, and whenever I need to access one file in Windows I can copy it from ext4 to the NTFS partition or will this be problematic?
[10:15] <diogenes_> baimafeima, first of all do experiments, make two partitions, write some random data on both (NTFS and ext4) try to attach it to different machines and see how that works.
[10:16] <diogenes_> if it works fine, then copy your data on it.
[10:16] <baimafeima> diogenes_, ok, will try that
[10:24] <Khan> Hello, does anyone know whats going on with the still not disclosed Intel kernel bug? The webs I've read say it will force OS patching....
[10:28] <sixwheeledbeast> Didn't even know about it. Another blunder on top of the management engine one.
[10:28] <Khan> Up to 30% performance drop if this is patched. Affects Virtual Memory, it seems. But its hard to know since Intel hasn't say much
[10:30] <seruser> ...
[10:31] <baimafeima> I just tried to create a partition of 512 GB on my external SSD but it says error creating partition, failed to meet partition size...do I need to leave some empty unallocated space in order for it to work?
[10:31] <baimafeima> when formatting the drive in disks, I selected MBR/DOS, should I have chosen "no partitioning" there?
[10:32] <alkisg> baimafeima: are you using gparted to do that?
[10:32] <sixwheeledbeast> how are you doing this?
[10:32] <sixwheeledbeast> yeah ^
[10:34] <baimafeima> I use gnome disks
[10:35] <alkisg> Try gparted, personally I trust it more than gnome disks :)
[10:35] <baimafeima> when formatting the external SSD drive which I only intend for data storage (films, pictures, data)...
[10:35] <baimafeima> I get three options: format without partitioning, with MBR/DOS or GPT
[10:35] <baimafeima> alkisg, I tried gparted but found it too complicated...not that disks is easier..
[10:36] <alkisg> baimafeima: ok, try with gparted now and ask whatever questions you have about it usage
[10:37] <alkisg> I'd go with mbr + a small vfat partition in case I want it bootable under uefi + an ntfs partition, if you're using windows that much
[10:55] <baimafeima> alkisg, in case I only want it for data storage, it is safe to just go without MBR or GPT?
[10:56] <alkisg> baimafeima: no, you need a partition table
[10:56] <alkisg> GPT is the newer one, MBR is the older and most compatible one
[10:56] <alkisg> So if for example at some point you want to plug it to some TV and watch movies, with MBR you have the best chances
[10:58] <baimafeima> alkisg, would I need a partition table (I suppose that is what MBR or GPT is) when I only use it for data storage of my documents?
[10:59] <alkisg> baimafeima: you need a partition table in any case, yes (except extreme cases which are not the normal)
[11:00] <baimafeima> alkisg, I see...but still intuitively this sounds strange as I don't want to "boot" from the SSD
[11:01] <alkisg> baimafeima: partition tables define the partition, they are not there for booting
[11:01] <alkisg> So MBR says "I have 1 partition" or "I have 4 partitions, there"
[11:02] <alkisg> It's been like that for the past 40 years :D
[11:04] <baimafeima> alkisg, ah I see...when I compare gparted to disks...I see that my drive has 476 GB unallocated space
[11:04] <baimafeima> in gnome disks it says 512...
[11:04] <baimafeima> how am I supposed to know how to partition exactly so as to use the full available space for the partition?
[11:05] <alkisg> The difference there is gigabytes =<IP_ADDRESS> vs giBIbytes = 1024*1024*1024
[11:05] <alkisg> Your disk is 512 GB or 476 GiB
[11:05] <baimafeima> ah ok
[11:05] <alkisg> If you see that "i" between, it's gibibytes, not gigabytes, i.e. binary counted
[11:05] <baimafeima> thanks
[11:05] <baimafeima> I want to try with gparted..
[11:06] <baimafeima> as I always get an error with disks..
[11:06] <baimafeima> alkisg, can you help me to create an ntfs partition? how would I do this best with gparted?
[11:07] <alkisg> Go to the menu, create partition table, mbr, apply
[11:07] <alkisg> Then create new partition, ntfs, apply
[11:07] <alkisg> That's all
[11:09] <baimafeima> i have the partition table now, selected msdos
[11:10] <baimafeima> when creating the new partition, do I have to align to MiB, cylinder or none?
[11:10] <baimafeima> it seems I have to select one of these three
[11:12] <baimafeima> alkisg, and create as primary or extended partition?
[11:12] <alkisg> baimafeima: use the defaults, they're best
[11:12] <alkisg> The default is primary which is best as well
[11:15] <baimafeima> alkisg, did all this just now, and now trying to access it in nautilus file manager but I get this error:
[11:15] <baimafeima> unable to access 512 GB volume: no object for d-bus interface
[11:16] <alkisg> baimafeima: do you see any errors in `dmesg`?
[11:16] <baimafeima> alkisg, how can I find dmesg?
[11:16] <alkisg> You run it in a terminal
[11:17] <alkisg> With this command, you share it with us: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:20] <baimafeima> alkisg, https://hastebin.com/xiqisupaji
[11:20] <baimafeima> can you see it?
[11:23] <baimafeima> alkisg, not sure if it worked to upload it, otherwise I can copy it in here as the nc command doesn't work on my laptop
[11:46] <Faults> Ärf... I try to switch Print Screen button so that Shutter takes screenshot instead Gnome Screenshot. I fail miserably, how I can do this?
[11:48] <baimafeima> alkisg, do you know what could be the problem?
[11:49] <baimafeima> I get two error messages when trying to access the drive, either unable to access or unable to unmount
[11:51] <alkisg> baimafeima: did you close gparted before trying to access it?
[11:51] <alkisg> For good measure, do a reboot
[11:51] <baimafeima> alkisg, yes, I did
[11:51] <baimafeima> alkisg, reboot of my laptop?
[11:52] <alkisg> Yes, in case things were mounted while you were formatting etc
[11:54] <baimafeima> alkisg, ok, will be back soon
[12:04] <baimafeima> alkisg, rebooted and it was auto-mounted in nautilus this time, strange...wonder what was the case and hopefully the drive is okay
[12:17] <baimafeima> alkisg, it looks like it is working, thanks for your help...the only question that remains it seems is that the unused drive now shows 512 GB unused, but 83 MB used space
[12:18] <baimafeima> does the partition table need so much space?
[12:18] <mizzu> hi guys can any1 please tell me how to install the squid client or an likely program
[12:25] <alkisg> baimafeima: the 83 MB are part of the file system, map of free space etc
[12:25] <alkisg> It's not related to the partititon table. The MBR is just 512 byes.
[12:25] <alkisg> *bytes
[12:27] <baimafeima> alkisg, then it sounds like all is good
[12:27] <alkisg> Yup
[12:27] <baimafeima> gparted actually worked while disks didn't..
[12:27] <baimafeima> still not sure why, but I think I'll stick to gparted from now on
[12:28] <alkisg> I trust gparted code more than all other formatting tools
[12:28] <alkisg> It's more mature, takes care of more extreme cases etc
[12:28] <baimafeima> alkisg, but it's also more complicated, or let's say with more options that are not explained
[12:29] <alkisg> IMHO gnome-disks is more chaotic
[12:29] <alkisg> It doesn't have the actions where I would expect them
[12:30] <alkisg> gparted UI is well designed; of course if someone doesn't know what GPT or MBR is, he won't understand those menus anyway
[12:30] <baimafeima> alkisg, yeah, I'm happy to learn this stuff though
[12:49] <baimafeima> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
[12:49] <baimafeima> what do you guys think about this?
[13:11] <mate|14338> hola
[13:14] <diogenes_> hola
[13:19] <mizzu> guys
[13:20] <mizzu> how to make andriod phones respond to my proxy rules cuz always they get on the internet through the applicaitons but browser is correctly of
[13:20] <mizzu> off
[13:43] <Faults> There might be other ways, but I have used AdGuard called Extension/Android App. You can configure DNS / DNSSEC + Proxys + AdBlocking for whole Android phone. App costs like 10$ for lifetime.
[19:49] <chavalin> Hello world!
[19:50] <y0sh> hello
[19:54] <TaZeR> ubuntu says hello
[21:08] <semitones_rex> hello :)
[21:09] <semitones_rex> i know mate is supposed to automatically mount inserted sd cards and usb drives, but if it doesn't should I just manually mkdir /mount/foobar; mount /dev/sdb1 /media/foobar ?
[21:11] <alkisg> semitones_rex: to mount as root, yes
[21:11] <alkisg> To mount as the user, you use udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1
[21:11] <alkisg> And it automatically makes the mount dir etc
[21:11] <semitones_rex> thanks alkisg! that is what i was looking for
[21:11] <alkisg> np
[21:11] <alkisg> 2 helps so far :P
[21:12] <Faults> You are ace! :D
[21:14] <semitones_rex> 2 great helps!!!
[21:15] <semitones_rex> i'm researching how to rsync if I want to make a backup that I can restore later. This is my command so far (i used a GUI to construct it choosing options that sounded good :) udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1
[21:15] <semitones_rex> loool rsync -r -n -t -p -o -g -v --progress -l -H -D -s /media/patrick/boot /mnt/patpi2p1
[21:16] <alkisg> Mounting as the user blocks the suid bit, so it's not good for ext4 backups
[21:17] <alkisg> If it's just data, it's fine, if it's an installation of an OS, use sudo instead
[21:18] <semitones_rex> it is an OS,so I will add sudo to that
[21:19] <semitones_rex> but the other options are to make sure that it copies symlinks as symlinks, hard links as hard links, treats special files as special files, preserves permissions and ownership, etc etc etc.,
[21:19] <semitones_rex> I think may need to add a --delete in there, unless it is already doing that with -D
[21:25] <semitones_rex> I wonder if rsync -av --delete /src /dest is sufficient?
[21:26] <semitones_rex> *sudo rsync -av --delete /src /dest
[21:27] <semitones_rex> alkisg, does that ^ look sufficient to you?
[21:28] <alkisg> semitones_rex: I'm using cp -a to clone OSes, not rsync. I think the rsync params I was using were something like -xaHA
[21:28] <alkisg> It's been a long time since I read its man page though
[21:29] <alkisg> In general I don't backup OSes frequently as I make sure I can reinstall them quite easily
[21:29] <alkisg> E.g. I keep an apt command that reinstalls all the programs I need, I keep the /etc things I change...
[21:30] <semitones_rex> alright. I was thinking rsync might be faster because it ignores files that have not changed?  -- that is a good idea, and I did keep a log of what I did when I installed this new system. So maybe I will just make this one backup, and if the SD card gets corrupted, restore that. And if it doesn't restore right, just reinstall and setup everything again. Maybe not deal with incremental backups :P
[22:21] <daro2> hi, i am trying to install ubuntu-mate on a somewhat older (32bit) laptop and the machine seems to have got stuck at some point (the installer says 'target system is being configured' or something like that atm). anyhting I could do about that?
[22:41] <sixwheeledbeast> I assume you are using the 32bit image?
[22:57] <daro2> at least i assume so, yeah
[23:12] <sixwheeledbeast> when you download it you need to download the 32bit iso ending in i386
[23:14] <sixwheeledbeast> cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04.3/release/ubuntu-mate-16.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[23:44] <noahwheeler> Okay I'm Back , and I can connect to mobile hotspot now . But when the raspberry pi connects to the mobile hotspot it changes the IP adress on the pi and when I try to ssh or remote desktop with the new adress ? connection refused everytime until I hook up a monitor , keyboard , and mouse . Restart and log back into the original wi-fi network then I can ssh with the pc or remote desktop with the pc ... But I did get the
[23:44] <noahwheeler> hot spot connection ...
[23:47] <noahwheeler> I didn't have to root the phone ! just change some settings . And I think I'm going to stick with the Ubuntu Mate


[07:30] <Phill93> Hi
[07:30] <Phill93> is it possible to clean the tests for a machine?
[12:24] <anderbw> Hi there, I have a dhcp related issue, anyone willing to assist me in finding out the issue? tl;dr: dhcpd doesn't send any dhcpoffer anymore. and all clis that earlier got an addr keeps sending a dhcpreq too. Main confusion stems from it working initially, then suddenly not.
[12:41] <anderbw> nvm, confused about the terminology used in maas for a sec. all good.
[14:37] <roaksoax> anderbw: :)
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1747458 opened: No user visible error/warning when dhcpd crashes and is restarted <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747458>
[16:48] <jac_cplane> hi - is there a way to make maas an authoritative dns for a subnet after i've already deployed when it prev was not authoritative
[16:50] <mup> Bug #1747459 opened: MAAS never notices that ntp crashes <cdo-qa> <maas-ha-testing> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747459>
[17:03] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: dns in maas is not really bound to a subnet
[17:03] <roaksoax> you can make a domain authoritative though
[17:03] <roaksoax> right now, via the API only thoguh
[17:06] <jac_cplane> @roaksoax
[17:07] <jac_cplane> thanks.  can you point me to the api
[17:09] <jac_cplane> i think we figured it  out - this seems to work  :  maas maas domain update 2 authoritative=True
[17:09] <roaksoax> jac_cplane: should be something like  maas admin domain update <domain_id> authoritative=True
[17:09] <roaksoax> indeed
[17:09] <jac_cplane> yes - thanks!
[23:48] <bradm> any one know how to debug why a post to /MAAS/metadata is getting a 500 error?  happening while doing a commission on some nodes, specifically during the testing of disks


[01:46] <sarnold> man what's the deal with so many more folks running into problems that sure feel like they've run their systems out of memory? it felt like that was a huge deal 25 years ago, fifteen to twenty years when it wasn't a big deal, and now it's a huge deal again the last year or two
[01:47] <ItzSwirlz> sarnold, chrome tabs scary
[01:50] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Everything became a browser.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> Think about it. Most of what you do is in your browser, the heaviest app on your computer. Your email client is a browser. Your chat client is a browser (via Electron). Sometimes even your ISO flashing utility is a browser (balenaEtcher, which uses Electron). Electron is taking over the world and taking our RAM with it, and browsers have consumed our use of computers.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> Between a heavyweight browser and tons of apps-that-are-really-browsers, no wonder our systems can't cope. I have 32 GB RAM and am sometimes startled to see more than 8 GB just in use when I'm not doing all that much.
[01:51] <arraybolt3> There's also memory leaks - KDE seems to just gradually lose track of stuff the longer you have it on, and GNOME is a power-hungry behemoth.
[01:54] <arraybolt3> One silly hope I have is to make my own distro one day that has a bunch of tools that allow one to use the Internet *without* a browser.
[01:55] <sarnold> ItzSwirlz: lol
[01:55] <arraybolt3> (You could also just use Lynx and FrogFind but that's pretty limited.)
[01:55] <sarnold> arraybolt3: yeah :/ it's pretty brutal. I keep thinking that it'd be nice to actually try out and contribute to gemini browsers, and then smack together silly little web<->gemini proxies for the content I care about, and try to get back to the internet of thirty years ago, but contents of today..
[01:56] <arraybolt3> Gemini browsers?
[01:57] <arraybolt3> Like right now I have nothing more than KDE Plasma, Element, WeeChat, Chrome, Thunderbird, Xiphos, and a couple of terminals running, and I'm idling at ~4.9 GB RAM usage.
[01:57] <arraybolt3> I've had it get as bad as 8 GB, I think.
[01:57] <sarnold> https://gemini.circumlunar.space/
[01:57] <sarnold> more gopher than web, but new :) heh
[02:00] <arraybolt3> sarnold: :O That looks so awesome.
[02:00] <arraybolt3> Just use APIs to port common websites over to that and boom.
[02:00] <arraybolt3> That may play into what I'm intending to do.
[02:01] <sarnold> there used to be a 'weboob' package in debian that I think had a bunch of that kind of tooling already written
[02:01] <sarnold> but the very juvenile names for everything was a bit much, I think debian kicked em out
[02:05] <arraybolt3> Ugh, I feel they took things too far removing image support.
[02:06] <arraybolt3> Even browsers from before the days of Windows 95 support images.
[02:07] <rfm> once you start adding media types you've got the camel's nose in the tent and you'll be using gigs of ram again before you know it
[02:07] <arraybolt3> I suppose images can be transferred via links though.
[02:08] <arraybolt3> rfm: Heh, you're not wrong.
[02:10] <sarnold> heh yeah
[02:10] <sarnold> but I'd so much rather load a dozen images all in one go rather than request them one at a time by hand
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:11] <arraybolt3> One thing I really like about Gemini so far is it looks so simple that it should be reasonably easy to make a client without security vulnerabilities.
[02:11] <arraybolt3> That would be amazing.
[02:12] <arraybolt3> Now I want to make a graphical client :P
[02:12] <sarnold> :D
[02:12] <sarnold> just don't go building it with electron!
[02:12] <sarnold> that'd spoil the whole point of the thing
[02:13] <arraybolt3> rofl
[02:13] <arraybolt3> No, I'd probably do it in C++ and Qt.
[02:15] <arraybolt3> Though... hmm, that's getting dangerously close to a web browser :P
[02:20] <arraybolt3> But this is giving me some hopefully really good ideas. Thank you for sharing that!
[02:20] <sarnold> :D
[06:48] <ducasse> morning
[10:07] <ice9> why the main repo archive is not using https?
[10:08] <ravage> because it would be hard to distribute the certificates for an official country mirror to many people
[10:09] <ravage> so the decision was made not to use it at all. https is supported in general. you can find a https mirrors with https at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:05] <ogra> ice9, the Release files are gpg signed anyway (and get verified by apt) so https wouldn't be that much of an improvement ...
[12:20] <ice9> ogra, they are gpg signed by every archive independently or signed by canonical and distributed to the archives?
[12:21] <ogra> the latter
[12:21] <ogra> they are signed by the (unique) ubuntu archive key


[04:59] <EvilResistance> if i find the potential for a rootkit to exist in a PPA package, other than filing a bug for the team to be aware of that rootkit existence, should I notify anyone else?
[04:59] <EvilResistance> say, LP admins?
[05:01] <ScottK> Yes
[05:03]  * SamB goes to package a rootkit
[05:04] <EvilResistance> ScottK, any LP admins here?
[05:05] <EvilResistance> are you one of em?
[05:05] <ScottK> Nope.
[05:05] <EvilResistance> :p
[05:05] <ScottK> wgrant: ?
[05:05] <ScottK> lifeless: ?
[05:05] <ScottK> No idea who might be around.
[05:05] <ScottK> The help contact is helpfully blank.
[05:05] <EvilResistance> indeed
[05:06] <wgrant> There's no help contact at this time of day.
[05:06] <wgrant> But there are people around.
[05:06] <EvilResistance> wgrant, figures.  lp admin?
[05:06] <wgrant> Canonical LP dev, which is probably close enough for your purposes.
[05:06] <EvilResistance> see /query
[05:06] <wgrant> k
[05:40] <lifeless> ScottK: hi, whats up ?
[05:40] <ScottK> lifeless: I think wgrant is already on the case.
[05:41] <lifeless> cool
[05:47] <wgrant> (it turned out to be a rkhunter false positive)
[06:05] <SamB> wgrant: did you instruct EvilResistance to report it as such?
[06:06] <wgrant> SamB: Well, he suggested it, but yes.
[06:16] <EvilResistance> i'm going to when i get the info
[06:23] <EvilResistance> just filed the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rkhunter/+bug/947760
[06:24] <EvilResistance> also marked the initial bug as "Invalid"
[06:24] <EvilResistance> and referenced that its an rkhunter bug
[06:26] <vibhav> What is the difference between a Triaged Bug and a Fixed Bug?
[06:27] <EvilResistance> fixed is fixed, triaged is i think put for lager
[06:27] <EvilResistance> vibhav, depends on the project though, some use them differently :/
[06:29] <vibhav> EvilResistance: WRT Ubuntu
[06:30] <EvilResistance> vibhav, #ubuntu-bugs defines ubuntu triaging
[06:31] <EvilResistance> they'd be able to answer  better
[06:33] <vibhav> thanks EvilResistance
[06:33] <EvilResistance> that's the home of the bugs squad, so...
[06:33] <EvilResistance> :P
[07:16] <SamB> Isn't triaging where you figure out how urgently various people require medical attention?
[07:17] <wgrant> SamB: Yes.
[07:17] <wgrant> SamB: Same with bugs.
[07:18] <wgrant> Triaged usually means someone associated with the project has looked at the bug, confirmed it's a problem, and judged its priority.
[07:18] <SamB> it doesn't seem that EvilResistance or vibhav is aware?
[07:21] <vibhav> SamB: yes?
[07:22] <SamB> ^
[07:22] <vibhav> wgrant: Thanks
[09:46] <Sweetshark> hey there, launchpad is acting up whenever I try to mark dupes.
[09:47] <Sweetshark> all it shows is a very long and unhelpful message of YUI gibberish.
[09:47] <czajkowski> whats the message
[10:03] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: you sure I should post it? it seems to possibly contain login tokens etc ...
[10:03] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: pastebin and pm it
[10:05] <Sweetshark> done
[10:37] <64MAA0MXZ> I have registered a branch under a project in launchpad but yesterday I noticed a bug and filed a bug report for that project, today I resolved the bug and wanted to fix the issue, so I ran the following two commands..
[10:39] <64MAA0MXZ> 1)bzr commit --fixes lp:1234 -m "..."
[10:39] <64MAA0MXZ> 2)bzr push lp:...
[10:39] <64MAA0MXZ> but the status of the bug remains unchanged
[10:41] <czajkowski> 64MAA0MXZ: yes but the bug status has to be manually changed
[11:11] <wgrant> Sweetshark: Is it still happening?
[13:06] <Sweetshark> wgrant: still doesnt work
[13:07] <Sweetshark> wgrant: it is still showing YUI gibberish with babbeling vaguely about timeouts.
[13:08] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: hmmm
[13:09] <czajkowski> gnuoy: issue is still happenign with that oops from the bug from earlier today
[13:22] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: it's been looked into
[14:50] <GatoLoko> hi
[14:55] <GatoLoko> i've found a project on launchpad with the wrong upstream, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gatos is linked to https://launchpad.net/gatoscript when it should link to http://gatos.sourceforge.net/
[14:55] <GatoLoko> who should I tell this?
[14:57] <electhor> Can anyone tell me how to change my launchpad email. I'm with a new provider, with a new email
[14:59] <electhor> *with a new ISP, thus a new email address too
[15:00] <czajkowski> electhor: do you still have access to your old email address?
[15:00] <czajkowski> can you log in and edit your details
[15:00] <electhor> No I don not
[15:00] <electhor> *do not
[15:00] <czajkowski> electhor: yes but can you still sign in on SSO ?  and then go and change your details
[15:01] <electhor> What is SSO?
[15:01] <czajkowski> single sing on
[15:02] <czajkowski> electhor: you still should be able to sign on using your old email address and password and then go and change your details
[15:02] <electhor> I think I am signed in now, but can't find how to change details
[15:02] <GatoLoko> electhor in your launchpad profile, over your mail address there is a yellow icon to edit it, you can add a new email, then change the default one and then delete the old one
[15:03] <czajkowski> GatoLoko: it links to the lp projects as it needs a lp project and usually that page would then have an info link to the sourceforge page
[15:04] <GatoLoko> czajkowski but it's pointing to MY xchat script project, not to a General Ati Tv Overlay Software project
[15:04] <GatoLoko> czajkowski it's the wrong project
[15:08] <czajkowski> GatoLoko: I'll have to ask and see as not sure tbh
[15:11] <electhor> Thanks for the help
[15:11] <electhor> bye
[15:12] <GatoLoko> czajkowski i don't really care much, but somebody contacted me about ati related stuff that I don't know
[15:26] <dpm> hi, could a losa help me generating an full language export for Natty? Currently the exports cron job is disabled for natty, but we'd like to release the final natty language pack and would need a one-off export.
[15:28] <czajkowski> dpm: see pm
[15:29] <mgz> dpm, cpm... bpm?
[15:29] <mgz> clearly there's a musical theme today,
[15:29] <czajkowski> am listening to a liverpool accent and very confused
[15:30] <mgz> 'single sing on' doesn't sound like that much fun though
[15:30] <czajkowski> :)
[17:08] <alo21> hi all
[17:08] <alo21> how can I change my mughost?
[17:09] <czajkowski> alo21: https://launchpad.net/~usernickname/+edit
[17:09] <czajkowski> there is a yellow button to the right
[17:09] <czajkowski> click on edit you details
[17:09] <czajkowski> you can then change your mugshot
[17:10] <alo21> czajkowski: I did it, thanks
[17:11] <alo21> I am using ubuntu accomplishment
[17:12] <alo21> one of the accomplishment is: "Setting a mugshot in Launchpad profile"
[17:12] <czajkowski> alo21: great to hear :)
[17:13] <alo21> To achive it i have to change my mughost, but I didn't recived the accomplisment
[17:13] <alo21> it could be a bug
[17:15] <alo21> czajkowski: what do you suggest?
[17:15] <czajkowski> alo21: jono would know more about that
[17:15] <czajkowski> I dont know about the accomplishments
[17:15] <alo21> czajkowski: so i should contact him?
[17:17] <czajkowski> alo21: hold on let me go and find out
[17:17] <alo21> czajkowski: ok. thanks a lot
[17:17] <czajkowski> alo21: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments-system/
[17:17] <czajkowski> there are the current ones that exist plus a link to report a bug
[17:18] <czajkowski> alo21: check your issue isn't listed already and if not https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-accomplishments-system/+filebug
[17:21] <alo21> czajkowski: I am afraid to make a mistake
[17:23] <czajkowski> alo21: its ok I make tons of them :)
[17:33] <jono> alo21, file a bug in https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-accomplishments
[17:33] <jono> and thanks for testing!
[17:47] <alo21> jono: hi.. you are welcom
[23:26] <Pikkachu> I wanted to file a bug for a new small feature for a given package, but upstream doesn't like adding new preferences to the application, so it would be implemented as a permanent patch. Is it worth filing?


[00:09] <taza> All tasks for it tested and working. Thank you, wxl. I shall be off.
[00:09] <wxl> taza: great. have a nice day!
[10:08] <Vad3r> when I was doing the install of lubuntu, I set my username and password and I encrypted my home folder. I set the passphrase and have the key saved. I just turned my pc on and was asked a password before lubuntu booted. is this normal?
[10:39] <morf> Vad3r: no it shouldn't ask you for passphrase for encrypted home ... the passphrase is encrypted by your user password and automatically unlocks the home dir
[10:39] <morf> on the other hand full disk encryption is asking you for the password for the root file system
[10:40] <Vad3r> I see. don't know why I had to enter my password then just so lubuntu would boot. weird.
[10:41] <Vad3r> I tried to reboot and see if it done it again but it never. -.-


[00:00] <zus> welcome then im not too far ahead of you, only been using linux for 6 months
[00:00] <conzeit> heh...feels good tho, if a little confusing :p
[00:00] <zus> ya might wanna ask holstein  where the logs are for the channel, he just helpped me set up JACK you can read them and get going
[00:01] <conzeit> it's ok to just close that jackd config dialogue? I do have a tutorial on how to configure that
[00:01] <conzeit> oh ok
[00:02] <holstein> yeah conzeit you can close it
[00:03] <holstein> and you should be able to change that setting later if needed
[00:03] <conzeit> ok thx
[00:03] <holstein> AFAIK your just asked if you want jackd to be running RT out of the box
[00:03] <holstein> i forget all the questions
[00:03] <holstein> read them all though
[00:04] <conzeit> yeah, I just didnt know wether jackd was something indespensable o.o
[00:04] <holstein> theres a couple of those questions that if you answer wrong, you dont get to boot in anymore
[00:04] <holstein> easily that is
[00:05] <holstein> conzeit: jackd is the JACK audio connection kit that zus and i have been setting up on his box
[00:06]  * zus wihispers to holstein  i cant get freebirth to open now.... what am i doing wrong
[00:06] <zus> :0
[00:07] <holstein> hmm
[00:07] <conzeit> ok
[00:07] <holstein> freebirth could be broken in there
[00:07]  * holstein looking
[00:07] <conzeit> wow, that about not being able to boot is scary! but I'm using the guide that I was given here, so I'm ok right?
[00:08] <holstein> should be
[00:08] <holstein> dont worry about it
[00:08] <holstein> i always say, your not doing it right ti you hose your box and have to re-install ;)
[00:08] <holstein> the question about GRUB
[00:08] <holstein> thats the one
[00:09] <holstein> i think you have to say 'keep the locally installed file'
[00:09] <zus> i seen freebirth opened once,  then had messed with jack and it worked but when i messed with jack,... was before today
[00:09] <holstein> should be the default choice now
[00:09] <conzeit> ok so I opened this sudo gedit /etc/security/limits.conf
[00:09] <holstein> conzeit: yeah, you might not need to worry about that either
[00:09] <holstein> yet
[00:10] <holstein> i would mess around
[00:10] <holstein> and tweak as needed
[00:10] <conzeit> now, it tells me to add 3 commands that start with @....all of what I see in that conf file starts with #...do I paste it with # and then @ or just leave it alone?
[00:10] <holstein> conzeit: totally not going to hurt anything though
[00:10]  * holstein looking
[00:11] <holstein> conzeit: you can just add them at the bottom
[00:11] <holstein> anything with a # is ignored
[00:11] <zus> i think its the adding username to audio/video group
[00:12] <conzeit> ok, I thought so =) just wanted to make sure
[00:12] <holstein> so you can put them after #end of file even
[00:12] <holstein> so you know what youve edited
[00:12] <holstein> conzeit: pretty sure you have to log out and back on for those chagnes to take effect
[00:13] <conzeit> oh ok
[00:15] <holstein> zus: im looking around
[00:15] <holstein> freebirth doesnt 'just work' for me with JACK either
[00:16] <holstein> you know
[00:16] <holstein> i think its just not set up to work with JACK anymore
[00:16] <holstein> because it was crashy
[00:16] <holstein> not sure though
[00:16] <conzeit> k I'm supposed to be done now so I'ma reboot thx for the help guys =)
[00:17] <holstein> conzeit: anytime
[00:17] <zus> yeah   freebirth was wired for me  too that one time
[00:17] <holstein> alright
[00:17] <holstein> i gotta run eat
[00:17] <holstein> i asked over in #opensourcemusicians
[00:18] <holstein> if you want to keep an eye over there
[00:18] <holstein> laterx
[00:24] <zus> holstein,  thanks again
[00:26]  * Conzeit facepalms
[00:26]  * zus blinks
[00:26] <Conzeit> just rebooted and it looks just like before I tried to install studio! I dont see the new apps at all
[00:27] <zus> in synaptic package manager
[00:27] <zus> type in
[00:27] <zus> ubuntustudio at somepoint itll show you all the studio stuffs
[00:28] <Conzeit> ok...
[00:29] <Conzeit> but that stuff I just did from the guide...it really just didnt work at all?
[00:31] <zus> behind the scenes it did im sure
[00:32] <Conzeit> so are the apps somewhere in my pc they just dont show up in applications menu?
[00:58] <holstein> strange
[01:07] <zus> holstein,  turning off jack hit stop and then quit? i will mesaground with more later on
[01:07] <holstein> zus: exactly
[01:08] <holstein> you want to hit stop first
[01:08] <holstein> then close it
[01:08] <zus> disconnect the apps?
[01:09] <holstein> you dont have to
[01:09] <holstein> but that will happen anyways
[01:10] <zus> cool thanks a milli haha
[01:10] <holstein> :)
[01:25] <Conzeit> holstein, zus....I used synaptic and everything worked fine, thanks for the help!
[01:25] <zus> Conzeit,  yay!
[01:25] <Conzeit> =)
[01:46] <zus> Conzeit,  its a world of difference yeah?
[23:36] <siretart> hey there
[23:37] <siretart> a few days (week) ago we've started a jack transition in debian that is a bit complicated
[23:37] <siretart> for squeeze, we want to ship both jackd1 and jackd2
[23:38] <siretart> is this something ubuntustudio would want as to do as well?
[23:38] <siretart> and is there a more appropriate place to discuss this than this irc channel?
[23:39] <siretart> I mean, I could of course upload both jackd1 and jackd2 to maverick, but both should be promoted to main, or big mess[tm] will happen
[23:45] <holstein> hey siretart
[23:45] <holstein> let me suggest a couple channels
[23:45] <holstein> #ubuntustudio-devel and #kxstudio
[23:46] <holstein> the mailing list for ubuntustudio is really the best way to get intouch with the dev AFAIK
[23:47] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-Studio-devel
[23:53] <tucemiux> holstein, youre going to attend the HOPE conference this weekend?
[23:54] <holstein> nah
[23:54] <holstein> i got work
[23:54] <tucemiux> yeah, that's what i figured
[23:54] <holstein> i got gigs all weekend
[23:54] <holstein> gotta drive all over the place :/
[23:54] <tucemiux> i suppose I could be the channel's rep then
[23:54] <holstein> are you going?
[23:55] <tucemiux> im seriously thinking about going on saturday, do you know if the ticket is for all 3 days or just for one day?
[23:55]  * holstein totally clueless
[23:56] <tucemiux> the guy from wikileaks is going to be there on saturday so it's going to get really interesting plus they got a show at 11:30? its going to sound like a blast and I can probably take my laptop to play with


[00:46] <bastion> Hello all
[00:47] <bastion> I'm looking for instructions regarding installing Ubuntu server 12.10 on a pandaboard ES
[00:49] <bastion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install shows instructions for 12.04.1 preinstalled image
[00:49] <bastion> Since 12.10 no longer comes preinstalled for arm, can somebody point me in the right direction for installation
[01:19] <wookey> what's the package name of the thing that truncates changelogs on builds?
[01:19]  * wookey has forgotten since discovering it 2 weeks ago


[00:21] <pl1x> gaconsalt: What is that link?
[00:22] <holstein> pl1x: gaconsalt is gone
[10:54] <artesanux> hi
[10:54] <zequence> artesanux: Hi


[01:47] <rick_h_> evening
[01:47] <rick_h_> brousch_: t-mobile can't be all that bad http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/989646138
[01:47] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/KbldwG - Speedtest.net by Ookla - My Results
[01:52] <widox> rick_h_: yum!
[01:52] <widox> beats my home comcast...
[01:52] <rick_h_> beats my ATT
[02:07] <mrgoodcat> beats my comcast too
[02:08] <mrgoodcat> $gf.wow is faster tho
[02:09] <rick_h_> yea, but that's not mobile with a tower
[02:09] <rick_h_> that's what blows me away
[02:10] <bookiebot> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2369-1/ USN-2369-1: file vulnerability
[02:11] <mrgoodcat> right
[02:11] <mrgoodcat> the verizon LTE used to be at least that fast before everybody got on it
[02:11] <mrgoodcat> now it's all congested
[02:11] <rick_h_> I've gotten good 25mb/s and such on my verizon 4g down south a bit
[02:11] <rick_h_> closer to dtw
[02:11] <rick_h_> this is 3x faster than my mifi here at home
[02:12] <mrgoodcat> so you have a tmobile phone and a verizon mifi?
[02:12] <mrgoodcat> any particular reason?
[02:13] <rick_h_> yea, I've been on verizon for years
[02:13] <rick_h_> but with their lack of unlocked phones I can swap sims internationally for I'm fed up
[02:13] <rick_h_> I use verizon because of best coverage and 4g super fast everywhere
[02:13] <rick_h_> but trying out t-mobile with my new phone, getting free international data (though slow) to help with travel, and supporting less evil empire a bit
[02:14] <rick_h_> so bought my own phone, unlocked as can be, and I'm a work from home-body so I can get by with wifi almost all the time
[02:14] <rick_h_> now that hangouts supports google voice text/sms/calling I really don't even need anything but a data plan
[02:14] <rick_h_> well data plan + wifi
[02:15] <rick_h_> but if I hit t-mobile no coverage zone I can whip out the mifi and carry on
[02:20] <mrgoodcat> has that happened yet?
[02:20] <rick_h_> has what?
[02:21] <mrgoodcat> 22:14:50 < rick_h_> but if I hit t-mobile no coverage zone I can whip out the mifi and carry on
[02:21] <rick_h_> no, been on t-mobile for 5hrs
[02:29] <mrgoodcat> oh lol
[10:41] <wolfger> morning
[11:11] <rick_h_> morn
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> m
[13:06] <wolfger> damn you, mrgoodcat. Nobody will be able to undercut that one
[13:06] <rick_h_> i
[13:07] <rick_h_> damn, monospace fml can't get thinner really
[13:32] <rick_h_> cmaloney: might like https://play.pocketcasts.com
[13:32] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/wnyBZH - Pocket Casts
[13:33] <rick_h_> I can't find a use case for it, but maybe those that have musical podcasts might like it for playing them over their pc at work
[13:33] <rick_h_> it's pretty cool with syncing support though.
[14:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: no about page? just a signin page?
[14:59] <rick_h_> greg-g: well the main pocketscasts page has some info
[14:59] <greg-g> and then remove "play." and get an SSL error/warning
[14:59] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's really early/etc
[14:59] <rick_h_> oh heh
[14:59] <rick_h_> http://www.shiftyjelly.com/android/pocketcasts
[14:59] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Gh1EL - Pocket Casts by Shifty Jelly
[14:59] <greg-g> SSL cert issued to podcasts.shiftyjelly.com.au
[14:59] <rick_h_> is that it should redirect you to, failure on their part
[15:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's the android podcast app I've been using for the last year(s)
[15:00] <greg-g> ah, not a fly-by-night operation :)
[15:00] <rick_h_> no
[15:01] <rick_h_> they're long standing just doing a crappy job with that transition
[15:02] <greg-g> nice "Native variable speed playback"
[15:17] <rick_h_> yea, that's their new feature on this latest iteration
[16:01] <cmaloney> I use Pocketcasts at the moment
[16:01] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^^
[16:02] <rick_h_> cmaloney: <3
[16:03] <cmaloney> Yeah, i like the syncing between tablet / phone
[16:03] <cmaloney> if the Squeezebox supported Pocketcasts I'd be in podcast-ecstasy
[16:05] <cmaloney> rick_h_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/01/02/%23ubuntu-us-mi.txt
[16:05] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/l45Sjb - text/plain
[16:05] <cmaloney> [15:15] <cmaloney> I've used both, but prefer pocketcasts
[16:05] <rick_h_> cmaloney: ah cool
[16:05] <rick_h_> cmaloney: well now with a web app for desktop support it might be even more awesome for you
[16:06] <cmaloney> Oh is that what that is?
[16:06] <cmaloney> Oh fuck. :)
[16:06] <rick_h_> cmaloney: i got into the beta program there and it's cool, syncs your place across mobile vs web
[16:06] <cmaloney> rick_h_: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=se.vaggan.squeezewatch&hl=en_GB
[16:06] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/rebVve - SqueezeWatch for SmartWatch - Android Apps on Google Play
[16:06] <rick_h_> so you can listen on your phone, get into work, and then pick up at the url in your browser
[16:06] <cmaloney> <3<3<3<3
[16:07] <cmaloney> Is this a subscription?
[16:07] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I think it will be
[16:07] <rick_h_> cmaloney: free during beta, not sure on how it'll work out long term
[16:08] <cmaloney> Says $9
[16:08] <cmaloney> but appears to be a one-time fee
[16:08] <rick_h_> cmaloney: heh on the app for android wear. My squeezebox is relagated to bleutooth speaker now with the moto stream on it
[16:08] <rick_h_> just doens't have any value for me over my phone
[16:08] <cmaloney> rick_h_: you need more music. :)
[16:08] <rick_h_> I uploaded it all to google music
[16:09] <rick_h_> 3 weeks later...they've got it all now
[16:09] <cmaloney> First mistake. :)
[16:09] <rick_h_> I don't need it
[16:10] <cmaloney> Feh.
[16:10] <cmaloney> Well if you ever decide to get rid of it LMK.
[16:14] <wolfger> bleutooth? Is that a GNU name for bluetooth?
[16:20] <cmaloney> wolfger: That's the French version
[16:23] <rick_h_> :P
[16:24] <rick_h_> practicing my danish
[16:24] <wolfger> mmmm.... danishes....
[16:26] <jrwren> danish death metal?
[16:28] <wolfger> Denmark manufactures beryllium?
[16:34] <wolfger> It's Friday.... now I just need it to be quitting time, too
[16:36] <greg-g> 9:35.... the weekend is so far away....
[16:50] <cmaloney> Danish Death Metal sounds awesome.
[16:53] <jrwren> how about danish speed metal?
[16:53] <jrwren> iirc sonata arctica are danes
[16:53] <greg-g> I'll take a speed infused danish
[17:03] <cmaloney> Apparently Mercyful Fate and King Diamond are considered as Danish metal
[17:04] <cmaloney> http://www.metal-archives.com/lists/DK
[17:04] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/X1FSYL - Browse bands by country - Denmark - Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives
[17:41] <wolfger> go, Uzbekistan!
[17:41] <wolfger> actually, Uganda surprises me more
[17:52] <cmaloney> Why should that surprise you? There's plenty of metal bands all over the globe.
[17:52] <cmaloney> I had a band from Latvia singing in Latvian on the previous show.
[17:53] <cmaloney> Metal really is a global genre
[18:18] <rick_h_> hah http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/after-blocking-personal-hotspot-at-hotel-marriott-to-pay-fcc-600000/
[18:18] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/x23eYd - After blocking personal hotspot at hotel, Marriott to pay FCC $600,000 | Ars Technica
[18:32] <dzho> boo yah
[18:33] <dzho> ima spread that link around
[18:33] <dzho> because Cisco peddles this pernicious crap all over
[18:33] <dzho> I've run into it at two institutions
[18:33] <dzho> they call it "interference mitigation" or some crap like that
[18:33] <dzho> which means, of course, that they *create* interference for signals of which they don't approve
[18:42] <wolfger> cmaloney: Africa (outside of South Africa) doesn't strike me as a metal-loving place
[18:42] <wolfger> maybe that's just racist
[18:43] <wolfger> but honestly I've never seen a black man in a metal band (not that I pay overly much attention to metal bands)
[18:51] <jrwren> I know so little about africa, I hesitate to assume anything.
[19:59] <greg-g> what was that service you could upload music to and be a dj and others could join your room?
[19:59] <greg-g> cmaloney: ^
[19:59] <rick_h_> something .fm
[19:59] <greg-g> yeah....
[19:59] <rick_h_> turntable.fm
[20:03] <jrwren> that site when down though :(
[20:03] <jrwren> now its something else.
[20:03] <jrwren> I miss it. I used to be in there all the time.
[20:19] <greg-g> :(
[20:19] <greg-g> what was the other one?
[20:33] <greg-g> there were two competitors I thought
[20:34] <greg-g> "On December 2, 2013, Turntable officially shutdown the website. After two years providing music interaction with users, Turntable announced that it would focus on Turntable Live. However this was short lived and the last show for Turntable Live was Shinobi Ninja on December 13, 2013. On January 15, 2014, the button to turntable.com from the turntable.fm shutdown page was removed, and an "under maintenance" page was shown to users."
[20:34] <greg-g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turntable.fm
[20:34] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WYMy4J - Turntable.fm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[20:34] <cmaloney> There was turntable.fm which was the one that was linked to Facebook
[20:35] <cmaloney> Gah, I'm blanking on the other one
[20:35] <cmaloney> Nope, it was turntable that I was a part of
[20:35] <cmaloney> Then the other one was linked to Facebook.
[20:35] <cmaloney> feh, not sure
[20:36] <dickweed> you guys talking about plug.dj?
[20:36] <greg-g> :)
[20:36] <cmaloney> That said: http://www.metalinjection.net/fm
[20:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/kSAJi - .FM - Your 24/7 Mainline of Streaming Metal Radio - Metal Injection
[20:36] <greg-g> dickweed: just found out about https://plug.dj/
[20:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/7mZYTB - join the party - plug.dj
[20:36] <dickweed> i <3 plug.dj
[20:36] <cmaloney> There was another one
[20:36] <cmaloney> not sure what it is.
[20:37] <cmaloney> Feh, turntable is the one that had the avatars
[20:37] <cmaloney> greg-g: But yeah, I remember there was something else that we used
[20:41] <cmaloney> feh, I don't remember the name
[20:41] <dickweed> feh shrug.jpg
[20:41] <cmaloney> regardless, my show is on. :)
[20:42] <dickweed> feh is my image viewer
[20:42] <cmaloney> listen and be enlightened.
[20:42] <cmaloney> i <3 feh
[20:43] <dickweed> your show as in openmetalcast?
[20:43] <cmaloney> Yep. I select tracks for Metal Injection for their radio streaming service
[20:43] <cmaloney> I have a 3 hour slot each week
[20:43] <cmaloney> it rotates throughout the week though
[20:44] <cmaloney> Friday is from 3-6
[20:44] <cmaloney> Sat: 12-3
[20:44] <cmaloney> Sun: 9-12
[20:44] <cmaloney> etc.
[20:46] <dickweed> lol i love the openmetalcast ad
[20:46] <dickweed> "sharing is stupid"
[20:46] <cmaloney> Thank you. :)
[20:46] <dickweed> i lol'd
[20:46] <dickweed> my dad lol'd
[20:46] <dickweed> alwp
[20:47] <cmaloney> heh
[20:55] <cmaloney> hope you stuck with the streadm
[20:55] <cmaloney> T-Rex Quiet == Awesome.
[20:56] <dickweed> yea i'm still listening
[20:56] <dickweed> i like this one a lot better than the last one
[20:57] <dickweed> bad quality audio tho
[20:58] <cmaloney> Well, they have some nasty compression
[20:58] <dickweed> yea thats what i figured
[20:58] <cmaloney> not just stream compression but the volume leveling compression
[20:58] <cmaloney> This band is the closest I've found to Tool in the CC-Space.
[20:59] <cmaloney> (Morgana vs. Morgana)
[20:59] <dickweed> the whole show is CC i assume?
[21:01] <cmaloney> Yep
[21:01] <cmaloney> So if you want to check out some of the tracks LMK and I'll send them to you
[21:02] <cmaloney> or better still: send the bands some $$
[21:02] <cmaloney> They need it. :)
[21:05] <dickweed> have to go now
[21:05] <cmaloney> have fun.
[21:05] <dickweed> i'll start listening to the show
[21:05] <dickweed> lmk when it is
[21:05] <cmaloney> Thanks. There's also the podcast
[21:05] <cmaloney> see above.
[21:06] <cmaloney> They used to post the schedule
[21:09] <cmaloney> https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/metalinjectionradio%40gmail.com/public/basic.ics
[21:09] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/kUhFzQ - text/calendar; charset=UTF-8
[21:10] <greg-g> cmaloney: https://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/352440/morgana-vs.-morgana ?
[21:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/GlXtHc - Morgana vs. Morgana - Royalty Free Music - Jamendo
[21:11] <greg-g> the band you compared to tool?
[21:42] <cmaloney> Yep
[21:42] <cmaloney> greg-g: ^^
[21:43] <cmaloney> https://mvsm.bandcamp.com/
[21:43] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/9E9wyv - Morgana vs Morgana
[22:19] <greg-g> cmaloney: ok, I'm liking this, too bad my spanish is so rusty
[22:26] <greg-g> yep, still good :)
[23:52] <brousch_> The one dataset I am using for this hackathon has a problem
[23:56] <brousch_> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the human_address value returned from this should not have the {s and "s escaped. https://gist.github.com/brousch/f82733f491b9fa0bbdf7
[23:56] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WydVuc - mi_sos_api_example.py


[00:00] <ahoneybun> has the same versions
[00:00] <Riddell> ok
[00:01] <ahoneybun> and dget on that page?
[00:01] <ahoneybun> what do you mean merged the changelogs?
[00:02] <Riddell> copy the link to the .dsc from http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/partitionmanager
[00:02] <Riddell> and dget that
[00:02] <Riddell> to merge changelogs I start with the debian package
[00:02] <Riddell> dch -i to add a new entry with ubuntu1 on the end of the version number
[00:02] <ahoneybun> where is the deb version? in current or in partitionmanager?
[00:03] <Riddell> version of what?
[00:03] <Riddell> current/ has the saucy package
[00:03] <Riddell> debi/ has the debian package
[00:03] <Riddell> and ~ has what I've been working on
[00:04] <Riddell> that's just how I tend to organise things
[00:04] <Riddell> 01:02 < Riddell> to merge changelogs I start with the debian package
[00:04] <Riddell> 01:02 < Riddell> dch -i to add a new entry with ubuntu1 on the end of the version number
[00:04] <Riddell> then I copy the ubuntu changelog and paste it into the working one at the place where they diverged
[00:04] <Riddell> and delete the old debian one below that
[00:04] <ahoneybun> so
[00:04] <ahoneybun> cd debi
[00:05] <ahoneybun> and dch -i to add new entry like we did in digikam
[00:05] <Riddell> I keep debi untouched
[00:05] <Riddell> and copy it into a working directory
[00:05] <Riddell> to work in
[00:06] <Riddell> then dch -i to add new entry
[00:06] <ahoneybun> oh copy the debi into the ubuntu changelog?
[00:06] <Riddell> copy the debi/ package into another directory to do your work in
[00:06] <Riddell> and in that package run dch -i then merge in the ubuntu changelog
[00:07] <ahoneybun> I'm not getting the merge concept, is that copying the debian changelog to the ubuntu's one?
[00:08] <Riddell> I start with the package from debian
[00:08] <Riddell> and copy the ubuntu changelog into that where they diverged
[00:09] <ahoneybun> ok I'm in the debi one
[00:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun: let me show you
[00:09] <ahoneybun> so copy the most recent changes into the debi
[00:11] <ahoneybun> maybe I should just stick with the Docs
[00:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: so they diverged at 1.0.2-1
[00:12] <Riddell> so I copyied the ubuntu changelog and pasted it in above 1.0.2-1
[00:12] <ahoneybun> let me see
[00:12] <Riddell> (this is how I do merged changelogs, there's other ways to do it)
[00:12] <ahoneybun> I don't know emac
[00:13] <ahoneybun> get out of there please so I can see the ubuntu changelog
[00:14] <Riddell> all yours
[00:14] <ahoneybun> thanks
[00:14] <Riddell> I don't think you can open more than one file in nano so I don't know how to take stuff from one file and paste it into another
[00:14] <ahoneybun> klipply?
[00:15] <ahoneybun> klipper
[00:15] <Riddell> it's too big for that
[00:15] <ahoneybun> I see he 1.0.2-1
[00:15] <ahoneybun> the
[00:16] <ahoneybun> So I would copy the things above that mark to the debi changelog?
[00:16] <Riddell> yeah so that's the most recent debian entry in the ubuntu changelog so you can tell that's where it diverged
[00:18] <ahoneybun> so you copied the debi dir into the merge dir?
[00:18] <Riddell> yes
[00:18] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:18] <Riddell> I start with the debian package
[00:18] <ahoneybun> small steps for me
[00:18] <Riddell> then merge in any changes we want in ubuntu
[00:20] <ahoneybun> how so? copy the ubuntu dir into there too?
[00:20] <Riddell> no by looking at what's different and working out what we want to keep
[00:20] <Riddell> so reading the changelog entries since the last debian merge
[00:21] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[00:21] <Riddell> and doing a diff on the debian dirs to see what's different
[00:21] <ahoneybun> this is the step in coping the ubu changelog to the deb one
[00:23] <ahoneybun> thinking now nano is so simple
[00:25] <Riddell> you could use kate
[00:25] <ahoneybun> that is... oh yea
[00:25] <Riddell> open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:25] <ahoneybun> but should learn emacs I guess
[00:25] <Riddell> well that's a few evenings in itself
[00:26] <ahoneybun> i see
[00:26] <ahoneybun> I see
[00:26] <ahoneybun> how do I get out of emacs lol
[00:27] <Riddell> control-x control-c
[00:27] <ahoneybun> 2?
[00:28] <ahoneybun> yea I can't do that
[00:28] <ahoneybun> stupid nano
[00:29] <ahoneybun> soooo much easier on my system with a GUI lol
[00:29] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Yo, do you have the ability to add keys in this Alpha as well?
[00:30] <ahoneybun> Riddell: seems you already did the work...
[00:31] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: That looks like the only apt functionality that I'd be missing.
[00:31] <Riddell> yo manchicken, did you get anywhere with docs on server script?
[00:32] <manchicken> Riddell: There's a dump program for this.
[00:32] <manchicken> What's the name of the Wiki again?
[00:33] <manchicken> I can't remember.
[00:33] <Riddell> moin?
[00:33] <manchicken> yeah
[00:34] <ahoneybun> moindump
[00:34] <manchicken> http://moinmo.in/MoinDump
[00:35] <ahoneybun> manchicken: I'm clueless on how to use it
[00:36] <ahoneybun> I don't if I need to download something or what
[00:36] <manchicken> ahoneybun: That wiki page I just put up has a usage example.
[00:36] <manchicken> I think it dumps the whole thing at once.
[00:36]  * ahoneybun is still lost but that is ok
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: nope. I'd like to have the functionality, but I've not found the time to do it
[00:42] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Either I need to find an API for that, or I need to escape to the shell.
[00:42] <manchicken> Fun.
[00:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: use diff in which debian dir?
[00:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: between the working one and the ubuntu one
[00:44] <ahoneybun> k
[00:44] <Riddell> diff -urN debian ../current/partition-1.3/debian
[00:44] <Riddell> or similar
[00:44] <ahoneybun> I just got all the things on my desktop
[00:44] <Riddell> ahoneybun: voila
[00:45] <ahoneybun> again I can't do anything
[00:45] <manchicken> I'm also installing Ubuntu Touch, gonna learn me some qml as well.
[00:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think I need to go to bed now, got a meeting in the morning
[00:46] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:46]  * ahoneybun feels his head blowing up
[00:47] <manchicken> Riddell: Should I hard-code these repo paths?
[00:49] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm also wondering if we should just import the key for the debug symbol repo by default :)
[00:55] <apachelogger> manchicken: hardcode is fine, but you'll need to replace the series (raring, saucy etc...)
[00:55] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I'm looking to see if there's a way to figure out which source the package belongs to.
[00:56] <manchicken> apachelogger: I'm going to see if I can tie into LSB to get that.
[00:58] <apachelogger> manchicken: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=about-distro.git&a=blob&h=e538125d861486ec37eab05fc9e8c97ea3bf8ee6&hb=86a3a96c70e6ae810e77615b3701da0886379e35&f=src%2FLSBRelease.cpp
[00:58] <apachelogger> in case you need a class for that
[01:00] <manchicken> Ooh. I'm googling to see if there's an existing API.
[01:02] <apachelogger> there isn't
[01:02] <manchicken> Except the one you just gave me :)
[01:02] <apachelogger> lsbrelease is not really specified anywhere IIRC
[01:02] <apachelogger> yeah, I mean in the context of a library :P
[02:28] <manchicken_> Yay
[02:29] <manchicken_> Ubuntu Touch is missing... almost everything.
[02:29] <manchicken_> I'm wondering if their timeline for early 2014 might be a bit to ambitious.
[02:29] <ahoneybun> manchicken_: many things may not be on there just yet
[02:30] <ahoneybun> but might not mean that they do not have them almost ready
[02:30] <manchicken_> ahoneybun: Most of the things aren't there yet.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:30] <manchicken_> ahoneybun: SMS client, clock settings (I couldn't figure out how to change the timezone from London).
[02:30] <manchicken_> You name it, you've got about a 70% chance it's not there.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> manchicken_: I did not see anysettings really
[02:31] <ahoneybun> hell there thing only works really on GSM phones
[02:32] <manchicken_> They're buried in apps.
[02:32] <ahoneybun> ?
[02:32] <manchicken_> The gestures aren't terribly intuitive. I suspect they're going to have a demo mode at first, similar to what Android has, but it took a lot of futzing to find it.
[02:33] <ahoneybun> yea a bit odd
[02:33] <manchicken_> If you swipe left to center and then tap the Ubuntu logo, then swipe from the right to center, scroll down, you'll find settings.
[02:33] <ahoneybun> tbh I like the look of jolla
[02:33] <manchicken_> Yeah, but won't it only run on those lumia derivatives?
[02:34] <ahoneybun> i have no idea
[02:34] <ahoneybun> Just like it lol
[02:34] <manchicken_> It looks nice, and it is Qt.
[02:38] <manchicken_> I'm glad I am keeping my S3, it lets me play with things without so much worry :)
[02:42] <ahoneybun> what carrier?
[02:44] <manchicken_> At&t
[02:44] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:49] <manchicken_> ?
[02:50] <ahoneybun> I have verzion
[03:15] <manchicken_> Gotcha.
[03:15] <manchicken_> The whole CDMA/GSM nonsense is just that.
[03:17] <manchicken_> While there are technical trade-offs for both technologies, I can't help but feel like these devices are only partial to a specific technology to prevent people from switching.
[03:20] <ahoneybun> manchicken_: way to make more money for everyone but the users
[03:36] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: You have no idea (or maybe you do) how much easier your stuff made my life.
[03:57] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: I have a patch for QApt, I added your dup check.
[03:58] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: I'm going to push it to my github, it's pretty simple.
[04:05] <manchicken_> JontheEchidna: It's nothing spectacular, but it's a dup check: https://github.com/manchicken/libqapt/commit/f534f1b8eec83b44af261ccd88a5975c782630e9
[05:01] <manchicken_> Grumble... I can't get QApt to write the changes... weaksauce.
[05:02] <manchicken_> I think it's because it's using dbus to write the file, and I have no earthly idea how to actually use dbus.
[05:26] <manchicken_> Anybody know much about dbus?
[05:33] <ScottK> apachelogger knows.
[05:34] <ScottK> He knows everything.
[05:35] <manchicken_> But is he here?
[05:35] <manchicken_> I know he could help, it's his code what's breaking :)
[05:44] <ScottK> He's in +0100 or +0200 or so, so it's possible.
[06:08] <soee> good morning
[06:08] <manchicken_> Hiya
[08:46] <Mamarok> hi everyone, could you guys have a look at bugs https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321972 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321968
[08:46] <Mamarok> thisd seems to be Ubuntu specific, libgdk doing something very weird there
[08:55] <Mamarok> looks really serious
[09:11] <smartboyhw> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libamarokshared.so.1 needed by debian/amarok/usr/lib/libamaroklib.so.1.0.0 (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[09:11] <smartboyhw> No RPATH!!?!?!?!
[09:12] <yofel> we usually don't use an rpath in the archive I think
[09:12] <yofel> but that's not the point of that error
[09:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:22] <apachelogger> "I actually had this problem with an update from 'raring-proposed', but I reverted the updates and removed that repo, it wouldn't be nice to remove 'raring-updates' though!"
[09:22] <apachelogger> of for crying out loud
[09:23] <yofel> "A new version of Kubuntu is available" - wtf is up with that release upgrader
[09:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna broke it again? :P
[09:23] <yofel> dunno, this is raring
[09:23] <apachelogger> yofel: which updates have recently landed in raring-updates?
[09:23] <yofel> what's the issue even?
[09:23] <apachelogger> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2157427
[09:24] <Riddell> it should only show if the meta file on changelogs.ubuntu.com has got a new version added
[09:24] <yofel> I did get an X update today
[09:24] <apachelogger> well
[09:24] <apachelogger> 1 week ago
[09:25] <yofel> but now I'm trying to downgrade mesa to see if it'll fix this: http://paste.kde.org/789662
[09:25] <yofel> so much for reliable drivers/mesa in ubuntu
[09:26] <yofel> bug 1178843 is also about kdevelop not working
[09:26] <yofel> FWIW, kdevelop does run here
[09:28] <apachelogger> .4 landed on monday?
[09:29] <apachelogger> or did it land in proposed
[09:29] <apachelogger> this is all very confusing
[09:29] <yofel> if you mean mesa, that's in proposed
[09:29] <yofel> let me try that actually
[09:30] <apachelogger> 2013-05-11
[09:30] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:30] <apachelogger> I think the problem is envrionmental
[09:31] <apachelogger> if it occured as early as May this is really weird
[09:31] <yofel> don't ask me, I'm totally clueless what those X window errors even are
[09:31] <yofel> I only know something went wrong in X
[09:31] <apachelogger> hm
[09:32] <apachelogger> gtk...
[09:35] <yofel> fuuuun
[09:36] <yofel> that intel/mesa crash is triggered by me trying to disable VSync
[09:37] <yofel> I do wonder why I can't use XRender though o.O
[09:40] <yofel> wait what
[09:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, RPATHs usually appear to me:P
[09:40] <yofel> I can disable VSync when using OpenGL 2.0 or 1.2, but with 3.1 it crashes
[09:53] <Riddell> From: Kubuntu Ninjas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[09:53] <Riddell> Subject: didrocks deactivated by didrocks
[09:54] <Riddell> didrock's doesn't love us any more :(
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heck.......:(
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it makes sense though, isn't didrocks now at Unity dev?
[09:58] <Riddell> he always has been
[09:59] <Riddell> he just visited us briefly to compare how we work
[09:59] <Riddell> which got him a lot of respect in my book
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Great, this is the first time I am able to debuild amarok successfully!
[09:59] <smartboyhw> And E: amarok: non-standard-toplevel-dir debian/
[09:59] <smartboyhw> !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[10:00] <yofel> I think you somehow got the debian/foo folders into the binary package
[10:00] <yofel> which shouldn't happen
[10:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah that
[10:04] <smartboyhw> got it
[10:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, there is an icons dir in there it seems
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Which is included in the package
[10:06] <smartboyhw> yofel,  but that dir was included also in 2.7.1
[10:06] <smartboyhw> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/amarok/saucy/view/head:/debian/amarok.install
[10:09] <soee> yofel, did you read my message yesterday ? i tested 4.10.5
[10:09] <soee> you asked for it testers
[10:13] <smartboyhw> soee, how's it?
[10:13] <soee> smartboyhw, all fine
[10:13] <smartboyhw> soee, GREAT
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Hopefully, we can get 4.10.5 in raring-proposed soon
[10:14]  * smartboyhw removes the 4.10.4 bits
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Ah, I get it.
[10:17] <tsdgeos> guys any reason l10n in sayucy is still 4.10.80 ?
[10:18] <smartboyhw> tsdgeos, :O
[10:19] <Riddell> tsdgeos: no reason except our own absentmindedness, I'll fix today, thanks for the poke
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Meh...;P
[10:19] <Riddell> unless smartboyhw is volunteering? :)
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm doing amarok here.
[10:19] <smartboyhw> I can do it later but
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Let me finish this first
[10:19] <Riddell> it just needs lots of bandwidth, an ec2 might help
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well ec2 then:P
[10:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has access to you now
[10:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun and me were using it for partitionmanager
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh wait, you will do the upload right?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> good, I can't even branch it
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Permission denied (again0
[10:32]  * smartboyhw doesn't understand how come bzr needs ssh access for branching
[10:44] <smartboyhw> W: amarok source: unknown-field-in-dsc debian-vcs-browser
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Like, who did this?:P
[10:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I can upload from the ec2 if you want
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure, but I can'tbranch
[10:52] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what are you trying to do?
[10:53] <yofel> soee: yes, thanks!
[10:55] <yofel> Riddell: btw. I saw you updated the language-pack branch for 4.10.80, and special reason for that? (As I usually don't touch it)
[10:56] <yofel> s/and/any/
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: I didn't check if it was needed I just thought it was a good idea to update it at the start of a new SC release, if there's changed languages
[10:56] <yofel> oh, good point
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, branch the kubuntu-automation branch?
[11:11] <Riddell> >rm -r .bazaar/
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: try now, I removed by bazaar settings
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what script is used? calligra-l10n-package?
[11:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for SC?
[11:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yea
[11:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wah!
[11:15] <smartboyhw> Let me finish amarok first then, seems the l10n process is complicated.
[11:16] <smartboyhw> And also, what are the dependencies for a -dev package?
[11:16]  * smartboyhw thinks he needs a -dev package for amarok
[11:18]  * smartboyhw thinks he should rather copy from elsewhere
[11:19] <Riddell> there's nothing that builds against amarok
[11:19] <Riddell> so don't package a -dev
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh.
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Hmm, only copyright left to do.
[11:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, how did you use grep to find about copyright info of each discrete file?
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: is panda postponed or abandoned?
[11:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: somethin like: licensecheck -r * | grep "LGPL (v2 or later)" | cut -f 1 -d \: | xargs grep Copyright
[11:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, great
[11:31] <smartboyhw> What's the command to add info to patches?
[11:31] <yofel> first grep filters files by license, second one searches in those files
[11:31] <yofel> there is one?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, I think so, I did use it before
[11:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: abandoned until I can work out how to get NAT working on this router
[11:32] <smartboyhw> !quilt
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm, not NAT, port forwarding
[11:32] <smartboyhw> :O :O :O :O ;O
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do you know?
[11:32]  * yofel usually edits the patch by hand to add metadata at the top
[11:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: add info to patches?  emacs isn't it?
[11:33] <apachelogger> Mamarok: thanks for pointing it out, I doubt it has anything to do with amarok in particular though, seem to me like a combination of qt-gtk, oxygen-gtk and possibly other stuff causes xerrors that gdk considers fatal; that's just a random guess though, I have yet to manage to reproduce it and complete envrionment information is only available in some random launchpad bug :S
[11:33] <apachelogger> put it on my todo though
[11:34] <apachelogger> i.e. I do strongly believe this has limited impact
[11:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you going to be at akademy?
[12:18] <smartboyhw> Hmm, amarok's debian/copyright looks not like the normal way:P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Not really um, debian format.
[12:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, Riddell what should I do about these then?
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Rewrite the ENTIRE thing?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the editor at your ec2, how do I save a file?
[14:24] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: You  up/
[14:28] <tsdgeos> smartboyhw: use google ;.-)
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: mornin'
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sadly, no
[14:35] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: When I QApt::SourcesList->save(), it doesn't seem to save.
[14:35] <manchicken> I suspect it's a dbus authentication issue caused by my chroot setup.
[14:35] <manchicken> I'm not quite sure how to fix this.
[14:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: in emacs? control-x control-s
[14:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: there's no requirement to change copyright files to dep-5 just leave it
[14:36] <Riddell> "Jonathan Thomas (echidnaman) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay JontheEchidna still loves us!
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: yeah, you'd need a policykit instance running inside the chroot
[14:39] <manchicken> how do I get that running? I have never used dbus or policykit before.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Wb JontheEchidna :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, alright
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: I've not tried to get it running inside a chroot before, but I'd imagine you'd have to install polkit-kde-1 and run /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1
[14:41] <smartboyhw> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/.bzr/branch/lock): Tr
[14:41] <smartboyhw> ossible: http does not support mkdir()
[14:41] <smartboyhw> What the hell is that?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, now I can't push....
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: because it's on an http checkout
[14:43] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: Something's still missing, it bombed.
[14:43] <manchicken> ** (process:31381): CRITICAL **: polkit_agent_listener_register_with_options: assertion 'POLKIT_IS_SUBJECT (subject)' failed
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O
[14:43] <smartboyhw> What does that mean?
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: to push you'd need an sftp checkout and your ssh keys
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Uh god.
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Any good method to copy the ssh keys over?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> And to checkout using sftp?
[14:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: scp but make sure you kick me off the server first
[14:44] <Riddell> no need for a fresh checkout, just bzr push lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> manchicken: /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd will also need to be running as root if it's not already
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to kick again?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> I think someone should write an EC2 guide.
[14:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: kill me bash session
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how?
[14:48] <yofel> why don't you just edit kde-10n-common locally, push, and then update on the ec2?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah, might be better
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Pushed
[14:52] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I got that running, and the installer is giving me fewer errors, but it's still not saving the file.
[14:52] <manchicken> I'm gonna debug the save.
[14:53] <manchicken> I think I found what dbus would be calling to save the file.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> yofel, Riddell Run debian/build-l10n.sh  it doesn't exist!
[14:54] <Riddell> ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-E2-03:~/kde-l10n-common>ls debian/build-l10n.sh
[14:54] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes it does
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah there
[14:55] <yofel> ^^
[14:56]  * smartboyhw decides to be a fool by running the script LOCALLY:P
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Yes!
[14:57] <yofel> that should still have worked, though it might've taken a while ^^
[14:57] <smartboyhw> It's now downloading -de
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Not bad, average 450 kB/s
[15:01] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun, how did you get on?
[15:02] <ahoneybun> ?
[15:02] <ahoneybun> what?
[15:03] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:03] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, it basically means how are you doing
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, teach me some English customs plz.....
[15:03] <ahoneybun> lol
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Hmm, now at -nl alreadyu
[15:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you'd need to ask an English person
[15:04] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how did you get on with the merge?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, any English person here/
[15:04] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I left it where you had it..
[15:05] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:05] <ahoneybun> was a bit lost still
[15:05] <ahoneybun> but thats ok
[15:07] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: I'm not too happy with Sony about my PS Vita
[15:08] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, lol
[15:09] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: I have to use a program from them to add conten
[15:09] <ahoneybun> t
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel if you want to review this possible piece of mess, https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/amarok_2.7.90-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc
[15:17] <yofel> is that in bzr?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, not yet, I want you guys to review before I put all these changes into bzr
[15:17]  * yofel usually reviews from bzr
[15:17] <smartboyhw> I don't want to mess up bzr just yet.
[15:17] <yofel> just make it UNRELEASED
[15:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, well here's a diff https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/amarok_2%3A2.7.1-0ubuntu3_2%3A2.7.90-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.diff.gz
[15:18] <ahoneybun> did anyone get vm's ext pack working to use ext usb 2.0?
[15:21] <agateau> xnox: ping
[15:22] <xnox> hola
[15:25] <agateau> xnox: hi, last time we discussed ubiquity, I said I did not like how all frontends were defined in the same files.
[15:25] <agateau> xnox: I played a bit with this, and have come up with a way to define them in different files, I wonder if this is something you would be interested in
[15:26] <xnox> agateau: make a merge proposal and/or email ubuntu-installer@ i'm not the only person on the team in charge of ubiquity.
[15:26] <xnox> agateau: a change like that should have a quick discussion. but from my point of view should be ok.
[15:27] <xnox> agateau: given that you will be happy to unwind / decouple existing ones =)
[15:27] <agateau> xnox: ok, I have only done the work for language so far, I wanted to get some feedback before I split them all
[15:27] <xnox> agateau: i'm not at all sure how that will affect debconf-frontend as that is closely coupled with shared logic between gtk/kde frontends.
[15:28] <xnox> agateau: sure, post that language bit as a merge proposal or a patch to ubuntu-installer, as a proof of concept.
[15:28] <agateau> xnox: ok, will do
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm since I'm now running script locally how do I suppose to get you upload the packages?
[15:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: umm you can't if they're on your machine
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damnit:P
[15:34] <smartboyhw> Really, no method at all?
[15:35] <yofel> not without him having ssh access to your system
[15:35] <yofel> (that was the point of the ec2)
[15:35] <smartboyhw> ................
[15:35] <yofel> you can ofc. sftp all packages to the ec2
[15:36] <yofel> though just re-running the script there would probably be faster
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Em, someone give me the ec2 link, I shut it down already...
[15:40] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw:
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh, can you turn it back on?
[15:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh no if you killed it then it's dead
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Give me another link then, I'll sftp the files
[15:42] <Riddell> starting one up now
[15:42] <manchicken> Argh, qDebug messages aren't showing up now. Fun :)
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Sigh, no upload access:(, I need to work harder
[15:46] <smartboyhw> And more accurate
[15:46] <smartboyhw> (the latter is the most important0
[15:46] <ScottK> It is.
[15:47] <ScottK> That was a deeply ironic moment to miss the shift key.
[15:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:47] <smartboyhw> ScottK, LOL
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, copying
[15:52] <Riddell> hum, I wonder what's wrong with these kdepim compiles I just put up https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=kdepim&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[15:52] <Riddell> boost not installing?
[15:52] <Riddell> ug one I uploaded to saucy, that's not right
[15:54] <yofel> hm, that looks like kolabxml depending on unversioned boost which pulls in the wrong boost version
[15:54] <yofel> 1.46 not 1.48
[15:55] <yofel>   * Add kubuntu_access_control.diff and kubuntu_no_crash_without_kolab.diff
[15:55] <yofel>     requested by kubuntu_no_crash_without_kolab.diff
[15:55] <yofel> o.O
[15:55] <yofel> c&p error? ^^
[15:56] <Riddell> meh yes, should be Christian Mollekopf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>om>
[15:57] <yofel> and please at least testbuild before uploading to the backports :S
[15:57] <jono_> Riddell, ScottK I sent over an email with the call in details btw
[15:57] <jono_> I am about to bring up the bridge
[15:57] <ScottK> Got it.
[15:57] <jono_> in a min
[15:57] <jono_> thanks
[15:58] <smartboyhw> o.O
[15:59] <Riddell> jono_: got in, calling in
[16:00] <jono_> ScottK, Riddell bridge is up
[16:00] <smartboyhw> Oh good, the Kubuntu Mir Summit:P
[16:01] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I don't think the dbus call is even making it through... I'm gonna have to troubleshoot this again later. What time are you usually on? It would be much easier to do this with you online :)
[16:01] <jono_> smartboyhw, lol, not quite :-)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> jono_, :-)
[16:03] <smartboyhw> Heck, running the script may be better. Riddell you run it, the things are up in bzr already
[16:04] <smartboyhw> I need to sleep
[16:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will initialize the script maybe
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and plz fix the /etc/apt/sources.list in the ec2 first (I will do it maybe)
[16:07] <Riddell> go ahead
[16:09] <manchicken> So kubuntu-debug-installer has code to add and save repos for debug symbols in there, but for some reason it isn't saving. I have a three hour drive ahead of me, so I'll get back onto this later.
[16:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, plz go into the ec2 and bzr the two branches and run the script, I REALLY HAVE TO BE ASLEEP
[16:13] <Riddell> busy
[16:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, meh?
[16:24] <agateau> xnox: posted here https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/split-plugins/+merge/173241
[16:25] <xnox> agateau: yeah, noticed. Should have requested the default reviewer.... ubuntu-installer team, instead of just me.
[16:25] <xnox> agateau: requested from the team now.
[16:25] <agateau> oh ok, thanks
[16:44] <Peace-> Riddell: is there a way to install kubuntu without do the all isntallation process ? i mean something like "dd copy stuff"  into the drive
[16:44] <Peace-> :D
[16:58] <Riddell> Peace-: not for one install, you can use the oem installer to do that but that needs more than one hard disk etc
[16:58] <Riddell> Peace-: but a live cd install mostly is just copying everything to a hard disk then doing the setup needed to make it boot
[17:16] <cmollekopf> Riddell: ping
[17:16] <Peace-> Riddell: ok thank you i will try
[17:17] <Riddell> hi cmollekopf
[17:17] <Riddell> cmollekopf: just e-mailing
[17:17] <cmollekopf> hey
[17:17] <Riddell> cmollekopf: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+delete-packages?field.name_filter=kdepim&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[17:17] <cmollekopf> ok, perfect
[17:17] <Riddell> cmollekopf: compiling away now, I'm aboue to go out so if it fails or something isn't fixed then ping anyone else here
[17:18] <Riddell> typing !ninjas pings useful people :)
[17:18] <cmollekopf> =) excellent
[17:18] <cmollekopf> thanks
[17:19] <Riddell> ooh that's not a great link to give you, that's the delete packages page
[17:19] <Riddell> better: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=kdepim&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=precise
[17:29] <Riddell> ninjas: cmollekopf needs kdepim-runtime_4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu12.04~ppa4 and kdepim - 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu12.04~ppa3 built in kubuntu-ppa/backports, if it breaks please fix,it's for a nice kubuntu project
[17:29]  * Riddell out
[17:40]  * yofel goes fixing kdepim-runtime
[17:44] <yofel> k, only needs a retry
[18:02] <Mamarok> folks, this is getting increasingly serious, we now have people reporting problems on an hourly notice
[18:03] <Mamarok> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=gdk_x_error&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDSINFO&bug_severity=crash&list_id=697588
[18:09]  * yofel tries to reproduce that in a VM
[18:17] <Mamarok> well, all people who have reported that up until now were using other things than just plain KDE
[18:17] <Mamarok> one guy was using "Gnome classic"
[18:17] <yofel> yeah, I saw a post from unity so I'm making an ubuntu vm too
[19:52] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I need some ideas for the Installation pages
[19:53] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Let me finish watching this movie and I'll think about it.
[19:53] <ahoneybun> lordievader: k
[20:06] <yofel> *sigh*
[20:06] <yofel> at least I can reliably reproduce that X error in a fresh installed Unity vm with kile
[20:09] <yofel> uh, why doesn't kile have any debugging symbols in raring @_@
[20:22] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What is it exactly that you are looking for?
[20:25] <lordievader> ahoneybun: In the disk setup the options for guided are those hypothetical? Also Guided can be used with more than onde disk ;)
[20:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:26] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installation/DiskSetup
[20:27] <lordievader> ahoneybun: That is where I'm looking right now ;)
[20:27] <ahoneybun> ok
[20:27] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The line about Side-by-side is kind of vague.
[20:27] <ahoneybun> oh can you improve it?
[20:28] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Do you remember how the option was called? Haven't installed Kubuntu where Windows was already present in a long time.
[20:28] <ahoneybun> dual boot?
[20:29] <yofel> apachelogger: what am I looking for? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847919/
[20:29] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ubuntu calls the option "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows 7": http://askubuntu.com/questions/194457/installing-ubuntu-os-on-ssd-and-install-home-on-other-hdd
[20:31] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:31] <lordievader> But I don't remember how Kubuntu calls it.
[20:32] <lordievader> Hmm, oh well I'll boot a live-usb.
[20:32] <yofel> apachelogger: full bt http://paste.ubuntu.com/5847926/
[20:33] <shadeslayer_> hi
[20:33] <shadeslayer_> got my visa for Akademy
[20:33] <lordievader> Hey shadeslayer_
[20:33] <yofel> \o/
[20:34] <shadeslayer_> so, yofel gets his wifi dongle back and apachelogger gets snuggles
[20:34] <yofel> hehe
[20:35] <shadeslayer_> anything interesting happen today?
[20:37] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Well thats a bummer, its called 'Guided - resize SCSI1(0,0,0), partition #2 (sda) and use freed space'. Nothing really fancy...
[20:37] <ahoneybun> dual booting is the main word I believe
[20:37] <yofel> shadeslayer_: want to debug X BadWindow errors?
[20:38] <shadeslayer_> heh
[20:38] <lordievader> ahoneybun: True but I was talking about how ubiquity calls it for the disk setup stage.
[20:41] <yofel> shadeslayer_: this is not funny if it makes be read xlib documentation -.-
[20:41] <yofel> s/be/me
[20:41] <yofel> apachelogger: btw. kubotu is down after today's freenode service mess
[20:41]  * shadeslayer_ thought yofel was joking
[20:41] <shadeslayer_> and I'm too tired today -.-
[20:42] <yofel> I wish I were, but it seems like something's really broken with X + KDE apps + unity/gnome
[20:43] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok made a couple of changes, could you take a look.
[20:44] <ahoneybun> sure
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I don't see anything different
[20:55] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I added the resize bullet, and rewrote the part about dual-boot.
[20:55] <ahoneybun> I see the bullets
[20:56] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Edit the page, the commented line about dual-boot is the old stuff.
[20:57] <ahoneybun> but the installer automatically resizes when it sees another OS
[20:58] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Only when you select that option...
[20:58] <ahoneybun> not with 13.04 installer I think
[20:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Just booted the 13.04 installer. Got the choice of what I wanted to do.
[21:00] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:00] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Would be a regression if it simply skipped the step and selected resize.
[21:01] <ahoneybun> no it did not skip the step, it just would show what the resizing would do
[21:01] <lordievader> ahoneybun: True, it does.
[21:05] <ahoneybun> thats what I mean
[21:05] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ah ok, so we are on the same line?
[21:06] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:06] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Ok, good :)
[21:07] <ahoneybun> yep
[21:14] <yofel> kile crash is lp 1195007 too btw.


[20:51] <rich> evening all - currently finding the ubuntu studio page a little contradictory - its looks like 11.04 is out, but the news page has not been updated
[23:21] <dacoto> upgraded yesterday to 11.04, so far so good...


[17:54] <Fizzik> Hello server 18.04 having nameserver issues. I have static ip set and static DNS ip which is a local server <IP_ADDRESS> it shows up in systemd-resolve --status under global dns and the actual interface
[18:09] <Fizzik> it seems as tho its pulling from /etc/resolv.conf
[18:10] <Fizzik> which keeps getting overwrittren on boot
[18:11] <ChmEarl> Fizzik, /etc/resolve.conf is a symlink into /var/run/* unless you change it
[18:12] <OerHeks> netplan
[18:12] <Fizzik> netplan aint going nothing
[18:12] <Fizzik> lol
[18:12] <Fizzik> doing*
[18:12] <Fizzik> no matter what i change