[22:27] <abourne> http://i.imgur.com/rxKsgFb.jpg
[22:27] <abourne> not ubuntu related
[22:27] <abourne> is this a norwegian emblem?


[08:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:45] <SuperEngineer> o/
[08:49] <brobostigon> o/
[19:24] <daftykins> a wild daubers bounces! :D
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> their volcano lair has spotty wifi coverage... you just can't get the henchmen these days...
[19:33] <daftykins> keep getting hired by Dr. Evil!
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> even with improved work conditions... a comfy stylish black top with space for their blood group and emergency contact number on the label...
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> a lot cheaper now that steve jobs isn't hogging them all...
[20:30]  * zmoylan-pi watches spacex launch... https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/06/24/iridium-next-mission-2-mission-status-center/
[20:35] <daftykins> that was a nice landing :D
[20:35] <daftykins> no hiding the barge side this time ;)
[20:36] <zmoylan-pi> for sale one rocket slightly scorched... still has new rocket smell...
[23:23] <awilkins> arrrrgh why why why the progressive attempts to ape OS X
[23:23] <awilkins> Just upgraded to 16.10 through to 17.04
[23:23] <awilkins> Touchpad scroll : now it's "Natural" or nothin;
[23:24] <awilkins> Overrode my preference, no checkbox to put it back
[23:24] <awilkins> It's not natural when you've been doing it the other way for ... well, as long as touchpads have existed (and you had to use hotzones for scrolling because multitouch didn't exist)
[23:43] <zmoylan-pi> i hate touchpads almost as much as i hate guis


[18:31] <thafreak> So, ohio
[18:31] <paultag> so, thafreak
[18:31] <thafreak> I'm strongly considering getting into the recruiting game
[18:32]  * paultag ducks out
[18:32] <Unit193> paultag: You're not Ohio, you're somewhere else ;)
[18:32] <paultag> :)
[18:32] <thafreak> Exactly...everyone hates recruiters...
[18:32] <thafreak> so i want to do it better
[18:33] <paultag> thafreak: good luck, man
[18:33] <paultag> it's tough
[18:35] <thafreak> is anything not tough?
[18:36] <paultag> http://shortyawards.com/sunfoundation#/vote <- give us some love, please (some hot twitter action would be ♥ )
[18:36] <paultag> thafreak: that's true
[18:45] <paultag> thafreak: count it.
[18:49] <thafreak> count what?
[18:49] <paultag> thafreak: your vote, it was silly and awesome.
[18:49] <thafreak> gotcha ;)
[18:50] <paultag> thafreak: RE: recruiting: yeah, it's going to be super tough
[18:50] <paultag> the only way is if you can somehow become ohio's f/oss / linux-ey folks
[18:50] <paultag> place pythonic and c/c++ into f/oss spots
[18:50] <paultag> everything else is *fucked* right now
[18:51] <thafreak> well, all the recruiters contact me anyway anytime a linux job opens up
[18:51] <paultag> yeah, hum.
[18:52] <thafreak> I'm also thinking of training future linux admins...then recruiting them out
[18:52] <thafreak> once they pass my tests
[18:52] <paultag> sysadmin bootcamp of sorts
[18:52] <thafreak> word
[18:52] <thafreak> so i don't try to make money off them learning, since i will hopefully get a payday once I place them
[18:54] <thafreak> soooooo
[18:55] <thafreak> Another question for my technically advanced friends here
[18:55] <thafreak> would you prefer a recruiter like me, who has done many of the jobs you are being recruited for...
[18:56] <thafreak> or some one who just switched to recuiting IT after having recruited for say, accounting the year before (i.e. 0 technical knowledge)
[21:09] <canthus13> It'd be nice to have someone who knows what they're talking about. Last recruiter I talked to called me for an entry-level VoIP engineer position, which I was interested in.  The guy interviewing me wanted an SS7/VoIP guru with additional exchange experience. :/
[21:10] <dzho> yeah, doesn't sound very entry-level
[21:11] <dzho> "we want guru experience, but only want to pay entry-level wages/salary"
[21:11] <dzho> which sounds about right, overall
[21:13] <canthus13> Oh no. they weren't even wanting to pay that. the recruiter was just an idiot.
[21:14] <canthus13> I'm sure the company would have paid top dollar.
[21:14] <canthus13> the guy doing the actual interviewing was talking 80k.
[21:14] <canthus13> (Odd to talk money during the first interview, but I got the feeling they were in a pinch)
[21:20] <thafreak> yeah, it was kind of a rhetorical question anyway ;)
[21:20] <thafreak> I want to see client's places and how employees are treated before I recruit...
[21:21] <thafreak> I'm not a pimp
[21:27] <canthus13> good. I hate getting slapped around and hooked on crack. :/
[23:05] <thafreak> jackson: where you from?
[23:06] <thafreak> only a few places in ohio have armstrong...you wouldn't be up in the medina area would you?
[23:07] <canthus13> thafreak: About that pimping, though... Feel free to pimp me out to anywhere in NEO. :)


 Ubuntu 19.04, 5.0.0-23, Wifi detected but cannot scan.
[17:49] <CarlenWhite> Checking if it's a Secure Boot issue.
[17:54] <CarlenWhite> Nope. It isn't a secure boot issue. Still not scanning without Secure Boot.
[20:15] <tomreyn> CarlenWhite: unless you're a developer, pleae see /topic
[23:30] <CarlenWhite> tomreyn: Belated, but some additional Googling comes down to the RTL8822BE wifi card not working on 5.0.0-23 and it appears to be a known bug.


[04:33] <drcooper> hi ppl, i am having difficulty installing lubuntu 10.10 from usb drive
[04:33] <drcooper> the installer crashes
[04:33] <drcooper> is there a work around?
[06:38] <gogeta1> anyone alive hear heh
[06:38]  * bioterror feels alive
[06:39]  * bioterror is a living dead, since it's a monday morning
[06:39] <gogeta1> well i got a issue a small but annoying one enableing writeback in fs tabs makes the fs no longer wanna mount
[06:41] <bioterror> can you be more specific
[06:41] <bioterror> what kind of filesystem, what kind of media
[06:42] <gogeta1> ext4 ssd
[06:42] <gogeta1> but i think i found myisue
[06:42] <gogeta1> forgot the rootflagin grub
[06:42] <bioterror> what
[06:42] <gogeta1> rootflags=data=writeback
[06:42] <bioterror> is that ssd all the time attached to that computer?
[06:42] <bioterror> or what
[06:42] <gogeta1> to enable it
[06:43] <gogeta1> yea netbook
[06:47] <gogeta1> oh forgot 2 things
[06:47] <gogeta1> needss a tunefs command to
[06:47] <gogeta1> defently why its not running
[07:06] <gogeta1> yep got it
[07:06] <gogeta1> had to tunefs it now in writeback mmode
[07:34] <gogeta1> oh yea rember i was complaning abought chroms video render
[07:35] <gogeta1> looks like the last update fixed that
[07:50] <sultan2> I can't enter to http://LXDE.org :-\
[07:50] <sultan2> 'Unable to load page'
[07:51] <sultan2> is it just me?
[07:54] <gogeta1> nope
[07:55] <gogeta1> looks like there servers down
[07:55] <gogeta1> stick at wating
[10:50] <leszek_> hi
[15:51] <mark76> Hey guys. I want to switch my wallpaper setter from PCManFM to Nitrogen
[15:53] <mark76> What do I edit?
[15:57] <leszek> hmm... changing the wallpaper application is not supported by pcmanfm, so changing the wallpaper setter means turning off desktop icons
[15:57] <mark76> I have no problem with that
[15:58] <mark76> BRB
[16:00] <mark76> I'm having to use Openbox session
[16:01] <leszek> mark76: then you need to change the session manager to not run pcmanfm
[16:01] <leszek> instead run the nitrogen app
[16:02] <mark76> Is there any way to edit the LXpanel menu so that it doesn't use lxde-logout?
[16:03] <leszek> yes there is a way, but what do you want know replace pcmanfm with nitrogen or use openbox ?
[16:04] <leszek> -k
[16:05] <mark76> I'd really just like to replace pcmanfm with Nitrogen. But if that's not possible then I want to know how to have the openbox logout in the lxpanel menu thing
[16:06] <leszek> you can replace pcmanfm with nitrogen easily by editing with root rights /etc/xdg/lxsession/lubuntu/autostart and replacing the @pcmanfm --desktop ... line with nitrogen
[16:07] <mark76> Aha!
[16:09] <mark76> BRB
[16:13] <leszek> hmm... omg I think I found a serious memory killer bug in lubuntu xD. Why the hack is gnome-power-manager &  nm-applet running in 2 double instances  xD Because lxsession is starting them and the xdg-autostart LOL
[16:51] <leszek> hmm... seems only a issue when doing a minimal or alternate install
[17:24] <lithpr> hi all!
[17:25] <lithpr> best linux evar!
[17:26] <lithpr> anyone know where i can go to learn more about the daemons running by default on lubuntu
[17:26] <lithpr> ?
[17:26] <lithpr> notification-da, for example?
[17:34] <leszek> wiki.ubuntu.com for daemons all in all I would say
[17:38] <lithpr> leszek, thank you very much
[17:42] <lithpr> ...all notifications are controlled by a single session-scoped service which exposes a D-BUS interface....
[17:59] <lithpr> hmmm, i don't seem to be getting any desktop notifications through pidgin
[17:59] <lithpr> does anyone know whether lubuntu supports desktop notifications?
[18:01] <lithpr> ie, have you ever seen one? :)
[18:01] <kosaidpo> lithpr: wht notification u tryin to get
[18:02] <kosaidpo> those of  pidgin when uget a mesg ?
[18:02] <kosaidpo> if so look in the menu for plugins
[18:04] <lithpr> oh, i just read that pidgin did notifications via dbus- i want to see it take place
[18:05] <lithpr> thanks, i see the "DBus Example" in the plugins
[19:35] <basso> lubuntu is quite the simple distro :)
[19:37] <basso> it feel very unbloated
[19:37] <bioterror> that's good
[19:38] <basso> was quite shocked when the memorymark was just over 120mb
[19:38] <bioterror> after boot?
[19:38] <basso> yeah
[19:39] <bioterror> it's not actually that low... :)
[19:41] <basso> the moment you start to do stuff it increases yes :p
[19:41] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/wmaker-4.png arch linux with wmaker ;)
[19:41] <bioterror> running wicd and gnome-power-manager in system tray
[19:42] <bioterror> that's like half of what you got?
[19:50] <basso> is that flux or something? :p
[20:00] <basso> when will lubuntu be ubuntu branded?
[20:02] <bioterror> hard to say
[20:02] <bioterror> people are working hard for the 11.04
[20:02] <bioterror> hope before 11.10 ;)
[20:06] <leszek> re
[20:06] <bioterror> hi
[20:13] <sultan2> bioterror: why gnome-power-manager and where's the dockapp with one of your kids?
[20:15] <bioterror> hahaha
[20:15] <bioterror> wanst in a mood for compiling
[20:17] <bioterror> I've got a headache, I think I'll head to bed
[20:17] <bioterror> good night lubunteers
[20:18] <sultan2> bioterror: http://arthapex.wordpress.com/batti/
[20:18] <sultan2> good night :)
[21:21] <Chat8912> hi everyone I'm installing lubuntu for the first time
[21:21] <mark76> No change it back
[21:21] <mark76> I can't pronounce that one
[21:21] <mark76> Too many consonants
[21:34] <lithpr> well, i just got a desktop notification from gpodder- so, as to whether lubuntu supports desktop notification- yes, yes it does
[23:07] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[23:07] <kristian-aalborg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[23:07] <kristian-aalborg> what'll this do? Swipe or give me a choice at boot+
[23:07] <kristian-aalborg> ?
[23:09] <leszek> kristian-aalborg: it will install the lxde customized lubuntu desktop in parallel to your existing system
[23:09] <kristian-aalborg> so, nothing is lost?
[23:10] <leszek> exactly, you will get an option in the login window to boot into the lubuntu desktop or ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu that you already have installed
[23:10] <kristian-aalborg> great
[23:10] <kristian-aalborg> will both installs use the same apps?
[23:10] <kristian-aalborg> firefox, for instance
[23:13] <leszek> you can use the software already installed of course
[23:14] <kristian-aalborg> awesome
[23:14] <kristian-aalborg> how much place will it take, circa?
[23:19] <kristian-aalborg> +/- 1 GB?
[23:19] <kristian-aalborg> I mean more or less than that, of course ;)
[23:29] <leszek> I don't know you need to check it out
[23:31] <kristian-aalborg> k


[18:08] <KBar> hello beautiful people. i have just uploaded a quick patch for bug #1970385
[18:08] <KBar> can we please close it? thank you
[20:59] <KBar> Another one bites the dust: #1931231


  [Corrupted fr. OE. crevis, creves, OF. crevice, F. ['e]crevisse, fr. OHG. krebiz crab, G. krebs. See {Crab}. The ending -fish arose from confusion with E. fish.] (Zool.) Any decapod crustacean of the family {Astacid[ae]} (genera {Cambarus} and
[07:49] <Maaz> {Cambarus}), resembling the lobster, but smaller, and found in fresh waters.  Product of apartheid
[08:29] <Vince-0> Sup!
[08:29] <Vince-0> Private_User, charl_ , Kilos  - another kak day in paradise?
[08:29] <Kilos> yeah looks like
[08:30] <Private_User> yeah same ol same ol different day
[08:30] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[08:30] <Private_User> hi Xethron
[09:22] <charl_> Kilos: it seems like you're right, it's fish, not fishes
[09:24] <Kilos> acually weird but thats the way they did it
[09:26] <Kilos> other things they put an s behind
[09:26] <Kilos> maybe it was to difficult to say fishs
[09:34] <charl_> it's like sheeps, they said no make it sheep instead
[09:34] <Kilos> lol
[09:34] <Kilos> weird hey
[09:39] <Kilos> proper english is actually a very difficult language
[09:41] <Kilos> but its the main international language so there is no choice
[09:42] <charl_> yeah but 90% of the world speak it poorly :P
[09:43] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index
[09:43] <charl_> NL is third on the list !
[09:44] <charl_> i am interested to know how well england and north america fares but they are not on the list
[09:44] <charl_> i wonder if they can speak their own language
[09:54] <inetpro> no South Africa on the list either
[10:02] <Kilos> haha the peeps in england dont understand each other from town to town
[10:02] <Kilos> thats why they made that song
[10:03] <Kilos> why cant the english learn to speak
[10:06]  * Kilos the walking wounded today
[10:06] <Kilos> got 2 of those thorns through shoes and one under fingernail
[10:15] <Private_User> charl_: its always people who do not invent or create something that become sort of experts or professionals in it
[10:15] <Private_User> eg. Cricket and Rugby both from England
[10:16] <Private_User> hehe
[10:20] <charl_> i would laugh very hard if we in europe can speak better english than they in britain
[10:20] <charl_> that would be epically funny
[10:20] <charl_> i doubt that to be the case though
[10:21] <Private_User> I guess its where you go in Britain
[10:21] <charl_> maybe you get confronted with scottish, irish, gaelic, welsh or cornish
[10:24] <Private_User> I used to speak telephonically to many people from all parts of Britain and I could not see a huge difference between their English and ours however the accent is drastically different from their different areas and this is in England itself
[10:25] <Private_User> and then I spoke to people who lived there for many years and they confirm that depending where you go you will hear a different accent
[10:25] <charl_> i thought the irish can be very hard to understand
[10:25] <charl_> yeah but that's everywhere in europe, the same in NL and DE
[10:26] <charl_> ask anyone who has ever spoken to swiss people, when you hear a swiss person from zurich or somewhere and compare that to a person from berlin, it doens't even sound like the same language
[10:26] <charl_> i find swiss german to be easier to understand because the accent is a lot more similar to dutch
[10:26] <charl_> but the swiss take it to the next level by even pronouncing a "k" like a "ch"
[10:27] <Private_User> yeah in the beginning I used to have an issue but after a while I got used to it although I am not sure if I will still be able to understand them as good as I used to now
[10:27] <Private_User> lol
[10:27] <charl_> so if you ask a swiss person about a potato and they will respond with about a "chartoffel"
[10:28] <Private_User> so you mean kubuntu will be pronounced chu boon too
[10:28] <Private_User> LOL
[10:28] <charl_> probably have never heard it
[10:29] <charl_> http://www.eldrid.ch/swgerman.htm
[10:34] <Private_User> thanks, there are a few sayings here I heard on a series I was watching and understood what was meant but did not get now I understand exactly what was said
[10:34] <Private_User> :)
[10:39] <charl_> it's a strange dialect, most germans complain they don't understand the swiss
[11:32] <mazal> Guys I get this all the time when running various cli commands :
[11:32] <mazal> no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory
[11:32] <mazal> Any ideas ?
[12:13] <theblazehen> Maaz: tell mazal does it do the same when launching GUI apps from the CLI as well? Perhaps something is wrong with a library
[12:13] <Maaz> theblazehen: Okay, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[12:20] <magespawn> hi all
[12:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[12:26] <Kilos> Ablynx,  RD876310741ZA
[12:29] <Private_User> hi magespawn
[12:32]  * Kilos needs to reboot
[12:32] <Kilos> wbb
[12:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:54] <Ablynx> Kilos, ty
[12:54] <Kilos> np
[14:07] <magespawn> now it is home time later all.
[14:17] <superfly> happy birthday, inetpro!
[14:30] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[14:31] <Kilos> happy birthday inetpro may every year just get better and better
[14:55] <inetpro> thank you kindly
[16:22] <charl_> good evening folks
[16:22] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[16:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:22] <charl_> congrats inetpro !!
[16:23] <Kilos> hi charl_
[16:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[16:35] <charl_> hi Kilos
[16:35] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[16:35] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[16:40] <charl_> hi spinza
[16:41] <Kilos> hes a very quiet fella
[17:08] <charl_> hey smile
[17:11] <smile> hi :D
[17:13] <charl_> nice weather we're having right? :D
[17:13] <charl_> rain rain and more rain
[17:13] <charl_> and then some more rain
[17:14] <charl_> wb theblazehen
[17:59] <theblazehen> ty charl_
[17:59] <theblazehen> brb
[18:18] <inetpro> ai!
[18:18] <inetpro> those IEC servers really need to be changed so they handle the load
[18:19] <inetpro> charl_: thanks
[18:27] <Private_User> inetpro: I had same issues with IEC site. Your can use these links for live results http://www.news24.com/Elections/Results#map=live and SABC has an option to look at your voting district results as well and the link is http://elections.sabc.co.za/Elections2014/RaceForVotes.aspx
[18:40] <inetpro> Private_User: I used the mail and guardians results in the end
[18:40] <theblazehen> When you have skype running in the CLI...
[18:40]  * inetpro just saying that the IEC should do better
[18:40] <theblazehen> Kilos: have a look at Whatsapp for libpurple or something like that
[18:40] <theblazehen> Get whatsapp in pdgin
[18:40] <Private_User> I agree inetpro
[18:40] <theblazehen> pidgin*
[18:41] <inetpro> can't understand why tshwane results are so damn slow
[18:42] <Kilos> hmm... i think i did before theblazehen , have they got it working yet
[18:42] <theblazehen> inetpro: Voting results?
[18:42] <theblazehen> Kilos: I think it might be.. Not too sure
[18:42] <inetpro> theblazehen: yep
[18:42] <theblazehen> Don't wanna try and get a password from my phone now
[18:42] <theblazehen> Setting up a VM, and a proxy and all that
[18:42] <Kilos> cool ty ill have a look
[18:43] <theblazehen> kk, np
[18:43] <theblazehen> also Whosthere
[18:43] <theblazehen> Kilos: ^
[18:43] <Kilos> will that work to whatsapp?
[18:44] <theblazehen> Kilos: it should
[18:44] <theblazehen> "Whatsapp client for ubuntu
[18:44] <theblazehen> "
[18:45] <Kilos> aha
[18:45] <charl_> what do you do with the password then
[18:45] <charl_> how do you get that off the phone
[18:46] <theblazehen> charl_: you use a MITM proxy with custom SSL cert to allow you to intercept the traffic
[18:46] <charl_> bah
[18:46] <theblazehen> yeah :/
[18:46] <theblazehen> Written in .NET
[18:46] <charl_> you have to execute a full on attack on the stupid thing
[18:46] <theblazehen> yeah :(
[18:47] <theblazehen> Almost wish they kept the old passwords..
[18:47] <charl_> if it falls for a fake cert it is also really weak on security
[18:47] <theblazehen> aka md5(wifiMACAddress)
[18:47] <charl_> what if the NSA does a MITM
[18:47] <theblazehen> charl_: Better than it was :p
[18:47] <charl_> bah that's even worse
[18:47] <theblazehen> that was for iOS
[18:47] <charl_> and if you can do a MITM what prevents anyone else from doing it
[18:47] <theblazehen> android was md5(IMEI)
[18:48] <charl_> this thing has epic fail
[18:48] <theblazehen> charl_: you need to install ssl cert on phone
[18:48] <charl_> ah ok
[18:48] <charl_> that's not so bad then
[18:48] <theblazehen> yeah
[18:51] <theblazehen> charl_: I believe there are ways to ensure security even with that though?
[18:52] <charl_> not sure what you mean ?
[18:53] <theblazehen> charl_: I believe I may have read something where you can ensure SSL security even if someone installs a cert on your device
[18:54] <theblazehen> Probably wrong though..
[18:54] <theblazehen> Doesn't fit in well with my logic
[18:54] <theblazehen> http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/29988/what-is-certificate-pinning ah yes! there we go
[18:55] <charl_> looking
[18:56] <charl_> yes that is correct
[18:56] <charl_> i have done it
[18:56] <charl_> that would be better tooo
[18:56] <theblazehen> kk
[18:56] <theblazehen> yeah..
[18:56] <charl_> or actually what i would do is...
[18:56] <charl_> i would make my own CA (root CA)
[18:56] <theblazehen> Hmm, google and such would be using that correct?
[18:56] <charl_> and then validate all certificates against that
[18:57] <charl_> so it has to have my root CA at the top of the chain
[18:57] <charl_> otherwise it fails
[18:57] <theblazehen> ah yes
[18:57] <charl_> then even if my CA gets exploited and false certificates get generated i am not vulnerable
[18:57] <charl_> and lock the private key of the CA somewhere in a secure safe
[18:57] <theblazehen> Wait, google etc. Wouldn't be able to use it as they can't tel lbrowser to only use their cert, right?
[18:57] <theblazehen> Yeah, good plan
[18:58] <Kilos> whosethere dont work on 14.04 yet they say
[18:58] <Kilos> np will keep looking ty
[18:58] <charl_> yes correct
[18:58] <charl_> websites have to rely on the browser
[18:58] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/5RfTr7D heh, I <3 the terminal a bit TOO much..
[18:58] <charl_> but if you control the client (in the case of an android app) you *should* have control over the TLS layer
[18:59] <charl_> and then you can configure it as you will
[18:59] <theblazehen> yeah
[19:00] <theblazehen> I read in reddit.com/r/netsec a few weeks ago a way for ANY app to access whatsapp DB on android..
[19:00] <charl_> yes but whatsapp is as full of holes as swiss cheese
[19:00] <charl_> it's worse than openssl :P
[19:01] <charl_> it turns out that the code behind openssl is complete filth
[19:01] <charl_> project already got forked by the openbsd people
[19:01] <charl_> libressl or something
[19:01] <theblazehen> yeah, I heard
[19:01] <charl_> and they are busy "stripping at the code"
[19:01] <theblazehen> yep, libreSSL
[19:01] <Kilos> i tried that android sdk thing . too much work and data waste
[19:01] <charl_> because apparently most of the code is indeed not even needed hahahaha :D
[19:01] <Kilos> whatsapp not worth it
[19:01] <theblazehen> Didn't mozilla also have a SSL implementation?
[19:01] <charl_> pssibly, not sure
[19:02] <theblazehen> heh, yeah.  Easy to make tabs, kinda like tabs in tmux?
[19:09] <theblazehen> I have multiple tmux sessions open, and wanna manage them easily over ssh, without needing to run tmux inside tmux
[19:09] <Kilos> its the only way i can control the bot on the host and not have it crash when i close the terminal
[19:09] <Kilos> i think
[19:09] <Kilos> hi drussell
[19:09] <theblazehen> Kilos: or use nohup $cmd, or $cmd& && disown
[19:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:10] <charl_> theblazehen: yes ctrl+a c
[19:10] <charl_> c for create
[19:11] <charl_> theblazehen: you can easily run tmux inside tmux but then you need to change ctrl+b to something else like ctrl+A
[19:11] <theblazehen> charl_: kk, kinda like tmux then. Does it have a kinda window list?
[19:11] <charl_> in byobu it's easily configurable with f1
[19:11] <charl_> can't recall the window list actually, not sure now
[19:11] <theblazehen> And yeah, but it's gonna be on the same host. Not gonna run tmux on host ssh'ing into my machine
[19:11] <Kilos> theblazehen, ask the pro tomorrow i think he is being treated tonight
[19:12] <Kilos> he is a bit older today
[19:12] <theblazehen> Basically I want to access all my tmux sessions from school, in a single PuTTY session
[19:12] <theblazehen> Kilos: ty
[19:12] <theblazehen> Well "screen screenshots" on google images sure was helpfull...
[19:13] <theblazehen>  /s
[19:13] <charl_> hmmm
[19:15] <theblazehen> It's... adequate:/
[19:16] <theblazehen> charl_: You manage some servers right?
[19:20] <theblazehen> http://qntm.org/suicide Dare you to run this in production..
[19:23] <charl_> bah
[19:23] <charl_> :D
[19:23] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:23] <charl_> sorry it will be a dare i need to refuse
[19:23] <charl_> night Kilos
[19:23] <charl_> :)
[19:26] <theblazehen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE nice!
[19:30] <theblazehen> cya all
[19:30] <inetpro> charl_: pong
[19:30] <theblazehen> inetpro: I believe it was I who pinged you..
[19:30] <theblazehen> Happy birthday BTW
[19:30] <inetpro> oh sorry
[19:31] <inetpro> thanks theblazehen
[19:31] <theblazehen> Wanted to find out just how horrible it is to use screen
[19:31] <theblazehen> Doesn't seem TOO bad
[19:31] <theblazehen> Since I'm gonna run tmux's inside it anyway
[19:31]  * inetpro can't live without screen
[19:31] <inetpro> or byobu for that matter
[19:31] <theblazehen> hehe
[19:32] <theblazehen> inetpro: You have seen my tmux, right?
[19:32] <inetpro> think I have
[19:32] <theblazehen> kk
[19:32] <theblazehen> Well cya inetpro, charl_
[19:32] <inetpro> no need to use screen if you are used to tmux
[19:32]  * inetpro just still very used to screen
[19:33] <theblazehen> inetpro: Gonna run tmux inside screen
[19:33] <inetpro> why?
[19:33] <theblazehen> I normally keep 1 tmux on each workspace in my WM, but can't do it easy over SSH
[19:33] <theblazehen> So use screen and attach all the tmux's there
[19:34] <inetpro> when I run screen inside another screen I start the first one as follows
[19:34] <inetpro> screen -e^Pp
[19:35] <inetpro> check -e in the man page
[19:36] <theblazehen> yeah, tmux can also do it
[19:36] <theblazehen> Would just prefer to manage it with a different multiplexer
[19:36] <inetpro> ok
[19:36] <theblazehen> Don't want my full statusbar etc. twice
[19:37] <inetpro> that makes sense
[19:37] <theblazehen> yeah, well night inetpro, ChanServ
[19:37] <inetpro> good night
[19:37] <theblazehen> charl_ too I suppose..
[19:39] <charl_> ciao theblazehen :D
[19:39] <charl_> inetpro: ah so you set the default command character to p (in your case)
[19:39] <inetpro> yep
[19:39] <charl_> yes that sounds good
[19:39] <inetpro> and the next one will be the normal a character
[19:39] <charl_> yes
[19:40] <inetpro> and you actually have to think twice before you close the p one
[19:40] <charl_> yeah
[19:40] <inetpro> because the fingers do the a naturally
[19:40] <charl_> that's true you get so used to it
[19:41] <charl_> and p is on the opposite side of the keyboard
[19:41] <charl_> brb have to take the washing out of the dryer
[19:47] <Private_User> inetpro: sorry just read above now its your birthday... Happy Birthday!!!
[19:58] <inetpro> Private_User: thanks
[20:02] <superfly> it's easy to criticise others when you're not in their shoes...
[20:02] <inetpro> superfly: uh?
[20:02] <charl_> hi back


[05:02] <chocolaate-maan> free http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar
[18:34] <coz_> hey guys
[19:06] <troy_s> Greets all.
[19:17] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[19:17] <troy_s> Greets coz_
[19:24] <thorwil> howdy!
[19:29] <troy_s> thorwil: How goes it Thor?!
[19:30] <thorwil> troy_s: a few days ago i finally decided to say goodby to the ubuntu-art list
[19:30] <troy_s> thorwil: Yeah someone pointed me at it.
[19:30] <troy_s> thorwil: I wish the path of solutions were clear. I'm not entirely sure there is one that is visible yet.
[19:33] <thorwil> troy_s: you are right in that it's about culture
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: Sadly, that is a large umbrella as well. And even if we accept that as having some merit, it isn't exactly an easy thing to 'fix' as it were.
[19:34] <thorwil> i assume the only chance of progress in that field is having a very small core group infect a larger audience with certain views and practices
[19:35] <troy_s> thorwil: Even then, there is the credibility issue. At some point the audience makes a very subjective qualitative analysis of credibility.
[19:35] <thorwil> it's ill to have an "artwork" list full of people with no clue what art and design mean. (to not speak of the questionable naming right from start)
[19:36] <thorwil> credibility shall flow from a demonstration of skill and merit
[19:36] <troy_s> thorwil: Well I guess that's just it. Even amongst a core of top tier creatives I'd bet there is room for discrepancy there. It probably doesn't matter in a firm. It _does_ matter to group systems such as Libre though. And in fact, there is currently _no one_ that has really tackled the issue yet.
[19:37] <troy_s> thorwil: Firms get the benefit of avoiding all sorts of complexities if they are regional. They avoid cultural issues. They have a creative culture of HR to hire 'like minds' already, etc.
[19:37] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't know. I'd be interested in opinions on it really.
[19:38] <thorwil> insight please, not just opinions :)
[19:40] <thorwil> troy_s: if you feel like reading a longish text (well, i guess within the bounds of one of your blog posts), i could invite you to a google doc
[19:41] <troy_s> thorwil: (It is a very real new frontier, so I guess all we can get is opinions and then filter according to credibility (see SUBJECTIVITY above.) ) :)
[19:41] <troy_s> thorwil: Sure.
[19:41] <troy_s> Link me.
[19:42] <troy_s> thorwil: On a side note, I've bumped into a good handful of folks that are pretty much interested in this sort of thing. Two architectual folks (with four and five year degrees) and a couple of commercial artists.
[19:43] <troy_s> thorwil: Re Culture - did you ever bother to find all of the links regarding the OpenOffice contest situation of yore and follow up with those people? It would be a fascinating 'interview' to do.
[19:43] <troy_s> thorwil: Because you could focus on first hand Libre accounts and really engage the topic.
[19:43] <thorwil> troy_s: sounds masochistic
[19:43] <troy_s> thorwil: Is this yours?
[19:44] <troy_s> thorwil: Not really, there is good concrete evidence there. Something that folks can look at and go "Ok ... maybe I'll reevaluate my position on contests in Libre"
[19:44] <thorwil> troy_s: what's the motivation of the good handful of people you mention?
[19:44] <troy_s> thorwil: Namely because I remember reading one of the posts (you were in the thread) about someone that said specifically (paraphrase) that the goals many thought the contest would achieve didn't.
[19:45] <troy_s> thorwil: I can't really speak for them. Most of them are pretty concerned with the state of Libre art and design and have given it a pretty good deal of thinking.
[19:45] <troy_s> thorwil: So there is a Venn styled overlap there.
[19:45] <thorwil> troy_s: i said what i wanted to say on that frontier, made it very clear and now i'm waiting to see if the libo folks manage to get to the promised re-design phase
[19:46]  * coz_ is just listening in at this point
[19:46] <troy_s> thorwil: Not specifically on that subject.
[19:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Dont make me mail hunt... grr.
[19:47] <thorwil> you got mail. anyway
[19:49] <thorwil> today i stumbled across http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/09/01/the-case-for-open-source-design-can-design-by-committee-work/
[19:49] <thorwil> the aspect of "granularity" is interesting
[19:50] <thorwil> the idea that contributions to text/code can be fine grained, while that doesn't tend to be the case with design
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: Probably _could_ be, but the blurs between a typo-styled fix and a design-choice gets deadly blurry.
[19:51] <thorwil> but actually, the structure behind design could allow fine grained chnages and contributions, too
[19:51] <thorwil> it's just that you often see only see the outcome and laymen assume that's somehow all there is to it
[19:52] <troy_s> thorwil: The problem there is the old paradox - at some point it is a judgement call. Without some sort of process driven thinking that judgement call can appear whimsical (and in fact, for many a good aesthetic choices, given A or B being valid, it may very well be)
[19:52] <thorwil> that view also doesn't account for larger organizational and architectural aspect of code/text
[19:53] <troy_s> thorwil: Code too has that sort of strange judgement call if I am not mistaken. How you break down the granularity of your project (Blender versus GIMP for example)
[19:53] <troy_s> thorwil: Judgement calls.
[19:53] <troy_s> thorwil: Which one is more 'successful' in that sense, etc. I'm sure there are countless tirades to either side.
[19:53] <troy_s> thorwil: (Although in this case, I believe there is a bit of evidence to support one given approach over another possibly.)
[19:54] <thorwil> yeah, coders are full of irrationality. it starts with language and tool choices that are based on aynthing but reason
[19:54] <troy_s> thorwil: I think they are pretty darn logical!
[19:54] <coz_> :)
[19:54] <troy_s> lol
[19:55] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't see us and them, and in fact, many terrific coders also happen to be pretty damn good thinkers beyond that.
[19:55] <coz_> I think developers become irrational when it comes to user interface
[19:55] <thorwil> troy_s: if there is an us/them, it's not designer vs developer
[19:55] <troy_s> thorwil: If there is an issue at all, it is probably in a fundamental disjunction between understanding where this nasty thing called 'art/design' fits. If we are struggling anywhere, it is in the myth of utopian design principles.
[19:56] <troy_s> thorwil: As much as a utopian art principle.
[19:56] <troy_s> thorwil: If I said any of the following:
[19:56] <thorwil> but i think that many developers are by far not as analytical as one would think, based on what they are supposed to be good at
[19:56] <troy_s> "Let's cook a meal that everyone will think ROCKS!!!!"
[19:56] <troy_s> "Let's write a book that everyone will LOVE!!!!"
[19:56] <coz_> bad anologies
[19:56] <thorwil> for many, analytical skill stop right in front of UX considerations, one could think
[19:56] <troy_s> "Let's make a movie that everyone will ADORE!"
[19:56] <troy_s> etc.
[19:56] <troy_s> it looks goofy as hell
[19:57] <troy_s> and yet, time and time again, we see the same statements being made about wallpapers and other design choices.
[19:57] <troy_s> thorwil: Code compiles or it doesn't. It has a top level logical bug or it doesn't. Etc.
[19:57] <troy_s> thorwil: Art and design aren't quite that simple as the compiler is the damn audience.
[19:57] <thorwil> then again, you can build a car that can be driven just fine by a huge majority of people
[19:58] <coz_> but will they buy it
[19:58] <troy_s> thorwil: Uh... really?
[19:58] <troy_s> thorwil: Try moving to England.
[19:58] <coz_> :)
[19:58] <troy_s> thorwil: Or driving a F1.
[19:59] <troy_s> thorwil: And in fact, that old design granularity impacts everything. At one point what was it, Henry Ford's adage - "They can have any car they want as long as it is black."
[19:59] <coz_> which speaks to the developers appraoch to  the UI
[19:59] <coz_> black is fine because thats all I want to do
[20:00] <troy_s> thorwil: I'd think that the complexities around us tend to get nerfed to our acceptance that in fact, some things are 'simple' and some are 'complex' without, again, evaluating exactly who the audience is.
[20:00] <troy_s> coz_: Black is the new white.
[20:00] <thorwil> there's really no need to jump from a "design for whoever" straight to a "design for tony smith at fullmoon, when in england"
[20:00] <troy_s> thorwil: No, but your car analogy most certainly contained a few complexities that were a little overlooked.
[20:01] <troy_s> thorwil: Which is precisely the point.
[20:01] <coz_> well the developers I have had contact with at carnegie mellon all agree that any developer of an consequence always uses an artist for the creatioin of a useable ui
[20:01] <coz_> if they reject that notion they may not be mature enough to make any difference
[20:01] <thorwil> troy_s: i said "driven just fine" "by a huge majority". i didn't say everyone would love it. i know it can't work for toddlers
[20:01] <coz_> any consequence
[20:02] <troy_s> coz_: The thing is, there is plenty of room out there for so many variations on interfaces etc. (which thankfully is an upside of mobile driven applications - the idea that a window close button needs to be xxx or yyy or there at all has been seriously driven into the annals of history)
[20:02] <troy_s> thorwil: But are we dealing with 'driven fine'?
[20:02] <thorwil> today i read that art is like masturbation, while design is like sex. coz_ , so i wonder about "artist" in that context
[20:02] <troy_s> thorwil: Or are we dealing with attempting to deliver some degree of visceral emotional experience?
[20:03] <troy_s> thorwil: "Works fine" is trumped by "Works awesome!". Always.
[20:03] <thorwil> troy_s: the ability to do better for the special case doesn't say that much about the common case
[20:03] <coz_> thorwil,  I had a mediocre instructor who told a fellow student who had already won awards for there abstract work...."Your work is just masturbation!  Wake UP"
[20:03] <troy_s> thorwil: Bugger the common.
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: A case in point for that statement
[20:04] <thorwil> troy_s: better not, in the light of scarce ressources
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: Would be how many companies could survive on Libre software?
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: Probably 99.99% had the _niche_ applications existed.
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: In my experience
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: It seems that the ability to survive
[20:05] <troy_s> thorwil: Can hinge on that .01%
[20:05] <troy_s> thorwil: But alas, somewhat sidetracked here.
[20:05] <troy_s> The question of culture stands.
[20:06] <coz_> thorwil,  design is simply a part of the whole concept of compositon in general  not a specific field in and of itself...in my opinion
[20:06] <troy_s> And is well beyond this pea brained idiot's ability to address sufficiently.
[20:06] <coz_> thorwil,   so that statement is a bit naive
[20:06] <troy_s> (Somewhere I'm pretty sure we could substitute Umma and Gumma for Art and Design respectively and be left with about as much meaning.)
[20:07] <thorwil> coz_: i've seen a whole lot of definitions for design, but none of them made it a "part" of "composition"
[20:07] <coz_> I disagree   the words and definitions are set and quite clear in my mind
[20:07] <thorwil> coz_: that's cool for all inhabitants of your mind
[20:07] <troy_s> coz_: As they are for everyone. The issue comes up when you smack definition A in coz_ up against definition A in thorwil.
[20:07] <coz_> thorwil,  no it true for any form of art
[20:08] <troy_s> coz_: Both are legitimate working models. The paradox only shows up when you start trying to convert units in each system.
[20:08] <coz_> troy_s,  I can accept that
[20:08] <troy_s> coz_: Which sadly is probably what we are all ramming our heads against.
[20:09] <troy_s> coz_: It's almost like some strange discussion in philosophy. For many, they just want to go "it's all semantics and move on" but apparently for Libre, it is a real world problem that somehow needs to get negotiated.
[20:09] <troy_s> coz_: Or ignore it and carry on carry on.
[20:10] <troy_s> coz_: Although one could probably say that historical evidence suggests the 'carry on carry on' approach isn't yielding much fruit.
[20:10] <coz_> troy_s,   absolutely true,,, carry on only indicates reluctance to work... or mindless work
[20:11] <troy_s> coz_ / thorwil: vish had an interesting suggestion in IRC a while back.
[20:11] <coz_>  what was that?
[20:11] <thorwil> it's pointless to argue about definitions, except if you rely on them for effective communication. so in a debate, you might be able to get around it, but for continued goal-driven discussions, it's not acceptable
[20:12] <troy_s> coz_: I seem to recall it involved a list that was created out of portfolios etc. Sort of reminded me of the idea of somehow focusing on people. Which seemed great.
[20:12] <troy_s> Of course, it leads to scaling problems. How to grow to a certain size and carry on etc.
[20:12] <coz_>  troy_s  sounds reasonable and abit nebulous
[20:12] <troy_s> Who is the arbitrator / HR mind / etc. What are the qualities. Etc.
[20:13] <coz_> thorwil,  I dont know... definitions in my eye allow for individual and group creativity... a guide of sorts ,,, something to bounce off of
[20:13] <troy_s> coz_: I think the crux of it was that it starts with a portfolio. It starts with credentials.
[20:13] <troy_s> coz_: Then builds out into a list from there.
[20:13] <coz_> troy_s,  i agree
[20:13] <troy_s> Which seemed fair.
[20:13] <thorwil> focusing on people sounds great in theory. but if applied to ubuntu-art, it would appear naked
[20:13] <coz_> troy_s,   but have you seen what was available for "protfolios":
[20:14] <troy_s> Granted, there will be cries of divaism and exclusiory blah blah, and it is also subject to failure if the folks fail to create work that ends up being successful.
[20:14] <troy_s> coz_: I'd think that would address that wouldn't it?
[20:14] <coz_> troy_s,  yes
[20:14] <troy_s> coz_: You can even speak to an inability to get things up where others can see, right?
[20:14] <troy_s> ;)
[20:14] <coz_> :)
[20:14] <troy_s> coz_: Which, again, works fine in certain contexts. In terms of Libre art and design, it certainly doesn't.
[20:15] <coz_> troy_s,  ok you got that one in :)
[20:15] <troy_s> coz_: Any chance I can get to bash you I'll take thanks.
[20:15] <troy_s> LOL
[20:15] <troy_s> Because you damn well deserve it.
[20:15] <troy_s> But also
[20:15] <coz_> :)
[20:15] <troy_s> there are a good number of damn important thinkers out there with credentials that fork a little wider than this focused audience.
[20:16] <coz_> for sure
[20:16] <coz_> troy_s,   but what is there to focus on here?
[20:16] <troy_s> For example, I am pretty sure that a Ba philosophy or PEng can bring some valuable thoughts to the table.
[20:16] <troy_s> Same goes for Ba anthropologist
[20:16] <troy_s> There is plenty of overlap in that Venn diagram.
[20:17] <troy_s> where the core would be 'successful art/design' as a nasty murky nebulous goal.
[20:17] <troy_s> coz_: The architectural person I alluded to pointed me to Hall's work
[20:17] <troy_s> coz_: And Hall happens to be an anthropologist.
[20:17] <coz_> troy_s,  interesting... I have had contact with a few anthropologists  in the past
[20:18] <troy_s> coz_: Which I've obviously had a great admiration for over the past decade, as they seem to be leaps and bounds ahead of everyone with regards to design and art thinking.
[20:18] <troy_s> coz_: These two tomes are well worth looking at:
[20:18] <troy_s> coz_:  http://www.amazon.com/Influence-Culture-Visual-Perception/dp/0672608251
[20:19] <troy_s> (Herskovits has a Wikipedia article worth reading)
[20:19] <troy_s> and
[20:19] <troy_s> coz_: http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Dimension-Edward-T-Hall/dp/0385084765/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1298837949&sr=1-1
[20:19] <coz_> troy_s,  I also appreciated joseph cambells work on symbols
[20:19] <troy_s> (Hall too has a worthy Wikipedia reference)
[20:19] <troy_s> coz_: Oh... wow. Not familiar. Link.
[20:19] <coz_> hold on
[20:20] <troy_s> coz_: The latter is interesting because it is apparently a seminal book on the implications of architecture on space in relation to cultural norms etc.
[20:20] <coz_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
[20:20] <troy_s> coz_: And he has a couple of other books that elaborate on that dynamic.
[20:20] <coz_> thorwil,  I had spoken with his daughter a few times on the phone
[20:20] <coz_> sorry troy_s ^^
[20:20] <troy_s> coz_: Oh I have heard of him.
[20:21] <coz_> troy_s,   quite interesting
[20:21] <troy_s> coz_: The Hero book I have come across.
[20:21] <coz_> troy_s,   i will take a look at them  as well so thanks
[20:21] <troy_s> coz_: I wasn't entirely sold on his view that it was the same concept rewrapped.
[20:21] <troy_s> coz_: As I find that to be a sort of ethnocentric warping.   Google docs is pretty damn impressive.
[20:38] <thorwil> troy_s: yes. strange how it lacks hyphenation, title numbering and any kind of paragraph style (making me do first line indent the hard way)
[20:38] <vish> thorwil: what do you mean by first line indent?
[20:39] <vish> the triangle on the top(the one facing right) should take care of that..
[20:39] <vish>  if thats what you mean..
[20:39] <thorwil> vish: indentation of the first line of a paragraph
[20:39] <vish> ah!
[20:41] <thorwil> troy_s: strange how i didn't come across this earlier. http://www.uiml.org/
[20:41] <troy_s> thorwil: Hence the power of collaboration. The exact same thing that led me to miss Hall's work.
[20:42] <troy_s> thorwil: There is an interesting side note here... when you use a thing such as Quickly, it allows you to Quickly make more of the same. If that same isn't rooted in solid design thinking etc., then it is truly, more of the same.
[20:42] <thorwil> heh, yeah
[20:42] <troy_s> thorwil: TL / DR: "Quickly allows you to now make the same asstastic applications Quickly."
[20:43] <troy_s> thorwil: (UIML might well fall into that as well if there aren't strict enough controls over aesthetic choices for example. CSS / HTML seems to be an interesting hybrid.)
[20:44] <thorwil> eek, dead links
[20:44] <thorwil> so badly maintained it suggests that project is dead
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: I never really followed up on it. But the kernel of the idea seemed interesting.
[20:46] <troy_s> thorwil: Personally, I'd probably say the idea that interfaces and desktop systems that used CSS / HTML would be most useful. As well as obviously providing some tool above that for strictly visual based design.
[20:46] <thorwil> if it provides more than abstract widgets and tables for layout expressed as tree syntax
[20:46] <troy_s> thorwil: Bark bark woof woof bark.
[20:47] <troy_s> thorwil: SVG versus Inkscape for example.
[20:49] <troy_s> Fascinating comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2268839
[21:00] <troy_s> thorwil: Thanks for that HN link. Very, very, very interesting read. And, again to my shock, HN has apparently managed an audience that actually thinks about things. Some incredible comments in there.
[21:00] <thorwil> troy_s: one could think the wall-of-text shock really does help ;)
[21:01] <troy_s> thorwil: As exemplified by the absolutely abhorrently idiotic "Make something beautiful that we all believe in" got voted way down.
[21:01] <troy_s> thorwil: Erm. You can spot the deadly recursive nature of your last comment I hope. ;)
[21:02] <akshatj> does Shnatsel hand out here?
[21:03] <thorwil> troy_s: well, i'm aware that it's something that might never really get fixed. short of applying strong AI
[21:03] <thorwil> akshatj: not that i know
[21:04] <akshatj> thorwil: ah ok, will thank him through other means
[21:07] <troy_s> thorwil: Cultures sort themselves out.
[21:07] <troy_s> thorwil: It's a strange thing, but it is much like having people agreeing to be a part of a country or anything else.
[21:07] <troy_s> thorwil: If you don't like it you move on.
[21:08] <troy_s> thorwil: And I suppose the _kernel_ of a starting point of a culture is the only place to really make that long lasting impact.
[21:08] <troy_s> thorwil: Things like statements such as the Code of Conduct etc. all _matter_.
[21:08] <thorwil> troy_s: isn't that what i was talking about? :)
[21:09] <troy_s> thorwil: I only can see AI and "never really get fixed".
[21:09] <thorwil> we must be more carful who refers to what, when, here :)
[21:09] <thorwil> not more full of cars, care!
[21:10] <troy_s> Huh?
[21:10] <troy_s> LOL
[21:10] <troy_s> thorwil: I was strictly looking at your last statement.
[21:10] <troy_s> thorwil: Erm... your "well, i'm..." statement.
[21:13] <thorwil> troy_s: yes, and i thought you meant the comment regarding meeting logs
[21:13] <thorwil> unfortunately, i have to run
[21:13] <thorwil> troy_s, vish: feel free to keep going. many thanks, i added a credits section
[21:14] <thorwil> good night!
[22:03] <cozziemoto> y
[22:03] <coz_> ok back
[22:04] <coz_> ah they left


[00:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-system-monitor (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-1 => 3.28.1-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[01:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.224 => 2.225] (xubuntu)
[02:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kodi (bionic-proposed/universe) [2:17.6+dfsg1-1 => 2:17.6+dfsg1-1build1] (no packageset)
[02:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vlc (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.0.1-3 => 3.0.1-3build1] (kubuntu, mozilla)
[02:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mpd (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.20.18-1 => 0.20.18-1build1] (kubuntu)
[02:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kodi [source] (bionic-proposed) [2:17.6+dfsg1-1build1]
[02:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mpd [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.20.18-1build1]
[02:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vlc [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.0.1-3build1]
[02:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sgt-launcher (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.2.3-0ubuntu1 => 0.2.4-0ubuntu1] (xubuntu)
[02:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-xarray (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.9.6-1 => 0.10.2-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[02:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-xarray [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.10.2-1]
[03:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dirtbike (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.3-2 => 0.3-2.1] (no packageset)
[03:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dirtbike [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.3-2.1]
[03:28] <tsimonq2> slangasek: telepathy-qt> Argh, please just remove it from proposed. The tarball mismatch causes dh_missing to complain, and the sync was done for the purpose of keeping Ubuntu in sync with Debian, not because it included actually good changes.
[03:29] <tsimonq2> (Well, I mean, the changes are absolutely sane, but it's not like they *needed* to be introduced.)
[03:36] <slangasek> tsimonq2: nuked
[03:36] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Thanks.
[03:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnocchi (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.2.0-0ubuntu3 => 4.2.0-0ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[03:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnocchi [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.2.0-0ubuntu4]
[03:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dee (bionic-proposed/main) [1.2.7+17.10.20170616-0ubuntu3 => 1.2.7+17.10.20170616-0ubuntu4] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[04:06] <slangasek> ahaha and harfbuzz's armhf rebuild sigbus is freetype's fault
[04:07] <tsimonq2> Silly question: can I dput to ubuntu via sftp with tsimonq2 as the username like with PPAs?
[04:07] <tsimonq2> I can't seem to dput *anything* atm. :/
[04:08] <tsimonq2> It might be my connection, actually... hmm...
[04:10] <tsimonq2> Oh so I CAN. Yay, default setting changed.
[04:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mpv (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.27.0-2ubuntu4 => 0.27.2-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-budgie, ubuntukylin)
[04:12] <tsimonq2> slangasek: src:mpv has a CVE fix, would be cool to get it through unapproved quickly if you could.
[04:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mpv [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.27.2-1ubuntu1]
[04:14] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[04:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ffmpeg (bionic-proposed/universe) [7:3.4.2-1build1 => 7:3.4.2-2] (kubuntu) (sync)
[06:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: boinc (bionic-proposed/universe) [7.9.3+dfsg-3 => 7.9.3+dfsg-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[06:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted boinc [sync] (bionic-proposed) [7.9.3+dfsg-4]
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bind9 (bionic-proposed/main) [1:9.11.2.P1-1ubuntu5 => 1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (core)
[07:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dee [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.7+17.10.20170616-0ubuntu4]
[07:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-dev-tools (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.161 => 0.162] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-dev-tools [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0.162]
[07:45] <doko> Laney, slangasek: the ppc64el autopkg testers need some attention
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gradle (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.4.1-6 => 3.4.1-7] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gradle [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.4.1-7]
[07:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ethtool (bionic-proposed/main) [1:4.15-0ubuntu1 => 1:4.15-1] (core) (sync)
[07:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pyopenssl (bionic-proposed/main) [17.5.0-1 => 17.5.0-1ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[08:06] <Laney> doko: don't think so, we just have less capacity there than on other arches so it takes longer
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: command-not-found (bionic-proposed/main) [18.04.0 => 18.04.1] (core)
[08:11] <doko> ahh, ok
[08:12] <Laney> there's another cloud region we should be able to use soon though
[08:34] <tjaalton> that bind9 merge above fixes a crash I'm seeing with freeipa
[08:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lvm2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02.176-4.1ubuntu2 => 2.02.176-4.1ubuntu3] (core)
[08:40] <juliank> doko: ^ there we go
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: buildbot (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-3ubuntu4 => 1.1.1-3ubuntu5] (no packageset)
[08:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted buildbot [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-3ubuntu5]
[08:50] <oSoMoN> sil2100, good morning! can the i386 autopkgtest failure for libreoffice 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 be ignored for the migration to proceed? this is still bug #1699772 hitting us (which btw I think I heard might be fixed with openjdk 10, which will be pulled in by the new default-jdk package in -proposed)
[08:50] <ubot5`> bug 1699772 in linux (Ubuntu Bionic) "linux-image-4.13.0-12-generic, linux-image-4.10.0-24-generic, linux-image-4.8.0-56-generic, linux-image-4.4.0-81-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-121-generic | Regression: many user-space apps crashing" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699772
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sosreport (bionic-proposed/main) [3.5-1ubuntu2 => 3.5-1ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[08:54] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I have already accepted libreoffice, like around an hour ago ;) The test failure has been added to the hints
[08:54] <oSoMoN> sil2100, oh, excellent, thanks!
[08:55] <oSoMoN> sil2100, it's not the 5.4.6 SRU to artful though, in that case it's the new upload to bionic
[09:00] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ah
[09:01]  * sil2100 didn't look at the bionic queue yet
[09:01] <sil2100> queue/excuses
[09:01] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'll hint it in now
[09:03] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xserver-xorg-input-libinput (bionic-proposed/main) [0.27.0-1 => 0.27.1-1] (desktop-core) (sync)
[09:08] <sil2100> coreycb: hey! The latest pike stable release is stuck in artful due to 2 bugs still not getting verified - could you poke someone to get those tested?
[09:08] <sil2100> coreycb: there's a follow-up neutron upload in the queue
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted command-not-found [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.04.1]
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sosreport [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.5-1ubuntu3]
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pyopenssl [source] (bionic-proposed) [17.5.0-1ubuntu1]
[09:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debconf-kde (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.2-1 => 1.0.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[09:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lvm2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.02.176-4.1ubuntu3]
[09:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:8.4.0-0ubuntu7.3]
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-apt (bionic-proposed/main) [1.6.0~rc2ubuntu1 => 1.6.0~rc2ubuntu2] (core)
[09:28] <juliank> sil2100: ^ urgent. this adds critical validation to depcache calls which might break some stuff.
[09:28] <juliank> can you help? :)
[09:30] <sil2100> juliank: looking!
[09:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-apt [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.6.0~rc2ubuntu2]
[09:34] <sil2100> jbicha: hey! For me not to waste time too much looking, the gnome-* bionic uploads you made, do those have any new features and FFe's related to them?
[09:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd-glib [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.39-0ubuntu1]
[09:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted krita [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:4.0.1+dfsg-0ubuntu1]
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ryu [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.15-0ubuntu2]
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sddm [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.17.0-1ubuntu3]
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sgt-launcher [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.2.4-0ubuntu1]
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xubuntu-meta [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.225]
[09:43] <sil2100> hmmm, the bind9 upload looks like it needs a FFe
[09:46] <sil2100> Who prepared this merge?
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pulseaudio [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:8.0-0ubuntu3.9]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: parole (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-1 => 1.0.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[09:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debconf-kde [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.3-0ubuntu1]
[10:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.4.0-0ubuntu1 => 0.4.1-0ubuntu1] (xubuntu)
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (trusty-proposed) [204-5ubuntu20.28]
[10:08] <sil2100> juliank: hey! Could you fill in a regression potential field to LP: #1332440 ?
[10:08] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1332440 in apt (Ubuntu Trusty) "apt-get update very slow when ulimit -n is big" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1332440
[10:08] <sil2100> Damn, this is one really old bug
[10:09] <juliank> oh, did I forget it?
[10:10] <juliank> sil2100: added
[10:11] <sil2100> Ossum
[10:11] <sil2100> Thanks!
[10:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted parole [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt [source] (trusty-proposed) [1.0.1ubuntu2.18]
[10:13] <juliank> thanks sil2100
[10:34] <bluesabre> thanks sil2100 :)
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: doc-rfc (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [20170121-1 => 20170121-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted doc-rfc [source] (bionic-proposed) [20170121-1ubuntu1]
[11:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-prime (bionic-proposed/main) [0.8.6 => 0.8.7] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:21] <jbicha> sil2100: everything gnome- in bionic queue are regular bugfix releases except for gnome-initial-setup which is still getting UI & string adjustments
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-builder [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-terminal [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1ubuntu1]
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-calculator [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:3.28.1-1ubuntu1]
[11:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nvidia-prime [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.8.7]
[11:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.4.1-0ubuntu1]
[11:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-software [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-0ubuntu1]
[11:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-desktop3 [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1ubuntu1]
[11:36] <sil2100> jbicha: is there an UIFe for gnome-initial-setup then? Is the translations/docs team aware?
[11:37] <jbicha> so, um gnome-initial-setup isn't in main yet
[11:38] <sil2100> jbicha: oh, indeed, I guess in my mind I just put them in the same bucket
[11:38] <jbicha> sil2100: you sort of did grant a UIFe at LP: #1755456
[11:38] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1755456 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "[ffe] Optional recording/sending of installer&system details to help improving Ubuntu" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755456
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-initial-setup [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.0-2ubuntu3]
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-system-monitor [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1]
[11:39] <jbicha> unfortunately, we're not quite down with the UI tweaks, for instance there's LP: #1763164 and we may still add more graphics
[11:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1763164 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Typos in translatable strings of GNOME Initial Setup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1763164
[11:40] <sil2100> jbicha: ah, yeah, I actually only granted the FFe for the other parts, it was La_ney that did it for gnome-initial-setup
[11:42] <sil2100> Anyway, all clear, it's easier to poke the uploader for this info than digging through LP projects with various bug task states
[11:42] <sil2100> This is why I poked you
[11:42] <sil2100> Thanks!
[11:44] <coreycb> sil2100: it looks like the 2 bugs are verified for neutron in artful-proposed unless i'm missing something
[11:45] <coreycb> sil2100: yes would like to get those moving along though!
[11:45] <jbicha> sorry about gnome-initial-setup being late in stablizing. Hopefully we'll finalize things for 18.04.0 really soon
[11:45] <doko> Laney: are the autopkg tester overcomitted? looking at the python-attrs failures, it looks like some timeout
[11:48] <Laney> doko: not from our side at least, and looks like it got worse with -2?
[11:53] <sil2100> coreycb: those two aren't: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1757433 https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1754015
[11:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1757433 in mistral (Ubuntu Artful) "[SRU] mistral-event-engine conflicts mistral-event" [High,Fix committed]
[11:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1754015 in libvirt (Ubuntu Artful) "[SRU] nova-compute-kvm does not pull ipxe-qemu on non-amd64 archs" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:53] <sil2100> coreycb: and since we release all those packages together in a batch, they're blocking the whole stack - at least I think the general idea was to release all of them at once
[11:54] <doko> yes, started with -2
[11:55] <coreycb> sil2100: got it, thanks. will work on untangling that and get back to you.
[11:56] <sil2100> coreycb: thanks!
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dhelp (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.6.24 => 0.6.24-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dhelp [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.6.24-0ubuntu1]
[12:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: resolvconf (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.79ubuntu9 => 1.79ubuntu10] (no packageset)
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted resolvconf [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.79ubuntu10]
[12:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-control-center (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.1.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-todo (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.0-1 => 3.28.1-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: babl (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.1.44-1 => 0.1.46-1] (edubuntu, ubuntugnome, ubuntustudio) (sync)
[12:26] <coreycb> sil2100: this one can be rejected please: bug 1760918
[12:26] <ubot5`> bug 1760918 in python-oslo.versionedobjects (Ubuntu Artful) "[SRU] Fixing UUID coerce function for unicode non uuid form" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1760918
[12:30] <sil2100> coreycb: ACK
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mailman-suite (bionic-proposed/universe) [0+20170523-13 => 0+20170523-14] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mailman-suite [sync] (bionic-proposed) [0+20170523-14]
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-oslo.versionedobjects [source] (artful-proposed) [1.26.0-0ubuntu2]
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-oslo.versionedobjects [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.8.0-1ubuntu1]
[12:52] <xnox> slangasek, with new dogtag-pki freeipa tests get to go on further and then break with SASL
[12:52] <xnox> ACIError: Insufficient access: SASL(-4): no mechanism available: No worthy mechs found (Unknown authentication method)
[12:52] <xnox> any ideas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:52] <xnox> missing runtime deps on sasl things? openssl 1.1.0 fallout?
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-wallpapers (bionic-proposed/main) [18.04.0-0ubuntu1 => 18.04.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox-hwe (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [5.2.8-dfsg-5ubuntu18.04.1 => 5.2.8-dfsg-7ubuntu18.04.1] (no packageset)
[13:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox-hwe [source] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.8-dfsg-7ubuntu18.04.1]
[13:29] <jbicha> do I need a FFe if I want to drop an unused python2 library like python-software-properties?
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-tinyrpc (bionic-proposed/main) [0.5-0ubuntu1 => 0.6-1] (ubuntu-server) (sync)
[13:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (bionic-proposed/main) [237-3ubuntu7 => 237-3ubuntu8] (core)
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mythtv (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [2:29.1+fixes.20180220.9b7b962-0ubuntu3 => 2:29.1+fixes.20180412.329c235-0ubuntu1] (mythbuntu)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mongodb (bionic-proposed/universe) [1:3.4.14-3ubuntu2 => 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu1] (mozilla)
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mongo-tools (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.4.14-2 => 3.6.3-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-drivers-common (bionic-proposed/main) [1:0.5 => 1:0.5.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mongo-tools [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.6.3-0ubuntu1]
[14:47] <jbicha> I suggest rejecting mythtv since it accidentally drops the python-imaging > python-pil recommends change
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (bionic-proposed/restricted) [390.48-0ubuntu1 => 390.48-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (bionic-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[16:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: runc (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.0~rc4+dfsg1-5 => 1.0.0~rc4+dfsg1-6] (no packageset) (sync)
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[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted runc [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0~rc4+dfsg1-6]
[16:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s3cmd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.0.1-1ubuntu1]
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[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-bioc-biocgenerics [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.24.0-1ubuntu2]
[16:44] <jbicha> man, Fedora is really copying our schedule
[16:44] <jbicha> they did a Beta the same week as us, their Final Freeze is the same week, and their scheduled release is within days of ours
[16:44] <jbicha> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/Schedule
[16:46] <tsimonq2> hehe
[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.4.0-120.144~14.04.1] (kernel)
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: simplestreams (bionic-proposed/main) [0.1.0~bzr459-0ubuntu1 => 0.1.0~bzr460-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [4.4.0-120.144~14.04.1]
[16:53] <Bashing-om> Immitation the best form of flattery ?
[17:04] <ErichEickmeyer> infinity, slangasek: The response has been overall in favor of Ubuntu Studio not being LTS this time around. Unfortunate, but until we can drum-up the manpower, that's kindof where we're at. :/
[17:06] <infinity> ErichEickmeyer: Unfortunate indeed, but understood.  Will adjust as appropriate.
[17:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [5.2.8-dfsg-6 => 5.2.8-dfsg-7] (ubuntu-cloud) (sync)
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[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinnamon-control-center [sync] (bionic-proposed) [3.6.5-2]
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[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-system-monitor [sync] (bionic-proposed) [35-1]
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: freeipa (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.6.3-1ubuntu1 => 4.7.0~pre1+git20180411-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted freeipa [sync] (bionic-proposed) [4.7.0~pre1+git20180411-1]
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-manager (bionic-proposed/main) [1:18.04.10 => 1:18.04.11] (core)
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[19:14] <acheronuk> slangasek infinity et al. could someone perhaps take a look at? LP: #1763448
[19:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1763448 in libindi (Ubuntu Bionic) "[FFe] Kstars 2.9.4 with libindi 1.7.1 for Bionic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1763448
[19:16] <slangasek> acheronuk: fwiw queues will generally take priority over bugs at this point in the cycle; if it's not an FFe that you think you need feedback on, I recommend just uploading to the queue
[19:17] <acheronuk> slangasek: fair enough. will do. thanks.
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libindi (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.4.1+dfsg-3ubuntu1 => 1.7.1-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kstars (bionic-proposed/universe) [5:2.9.3-0ubuntu2 => 5:2.9.4-1ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[20:51] <tjaalton> please accept bind9 point-release update/merge, freeipa needs it
[20:52] <tjaalton> fixes a crash on named startup
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (bionic-proposed/main) [1:18.04.15 => 1:18.04.16] (core)
[21:03] <slangasek> tjaalton: yeesh, massive delta; can you tell me more about this update?  bugfix-only, how well tested, etc?
[21:41] <slangasek> + -- Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:53:22 +0000
[21:41] <slangasek> pretty sure that's not who did this upload
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Somebody used grab-merge and went too fast. :P
[21:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected bind9 [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[21:49] <jbicha> btw, there's a dad too now https://salsa.debian.org/debian/libnfs/commit/b30aa05b
[21:49] <tsimonq2> HAH.
[21:49] <tsimonq2> I like it.
[21:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gce-compute-image-packages (bionic-proposed/universe) [20180129+dfsg1-0ubuntu2 => 20180129+dfsg1-0ubuntu3] (ubuntu-cloud)
[21:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (bionic-proposed) [20180129+dfsg1-0ubuntu3]
[22:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (bionic-proposed) [237-3ubuntu8]
[22:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: appstream (bionic-proposed/main) [0.11.8-3 => 0.12.0-3] (desktop-core) (sync)
[22:29] <jbicha> ffe for appstream is bug 1762292
[22:29] <ubot5`> bug 1762292 in appstream (Ubuntu) "FFE: Sync appstream 0.12.0-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1762292
[23:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus (bionic-proposed/main) [1:3.26.3-0ubuntu1 => 1:3.26.3-0ubuntu2] (ubuntu-desktop)


[00:22] <marcelcamaret> does anything happen here, at all?
[00:52] <marcelcamaret> nothin
[04:33] <fignew> lol
[04:33] <fignew> gg
[13:57] <roshi> sup?
[14:04] <roshi> Is there a way to force a window to resize?
[14:18] <roshi> any ideas?
[15:23] <roshi> this is a happening place


[15:32] <anchu> hi
[15:32] <anchu> iam from india..i would like to know about...how  we can make our website attractive


[10:48] <shadeslayer> tjaalton: Sarvatt ping
[10:48] <tjaalton> pong
[10:48] <shadeslayer> would it be possible for you to upload the patch mentioned in comment 31 on bug 1294666
[10:58] <tjaalton> yeah mlankhorst will add that
[10:58] <mlankhorst> shadeslayer: ok working on it
[10:58] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[10:59] <tjaalton> hm, should've seen it with broadwell.. but purged kde already
[10:59] <mlankhorst> shadeslayer: feel free to test ppa:canonical-x/x-staging soon, uploading to ubuntu as well
[11:03] <shadeslayer> yay, thx
[11:39] <tjaalton> bloody lp timing out all the time
[12:00] <tjaalton> hm, nouveau still seems to crash on resume
[12:46] <nerochiaro> does anyone know how can i test if 2-finger touchpad gestures work ? they don't seem to be working at all when i create a test QML application but perhps it's a QT problem, so that's why I wanted to check in some other way
[12:46] <nerochiaro> any ideas ?
[12:50] <nerochiaro> RAOF: ^ do you know who is the best person to ask ?
[13:08] <t1mp> nerochiaro: try 2-finger scroll in browser? or does that not classify as a 'gesture'?
[13:09] <nerochiaro> t1mp: it seems only to be triggered from the edge of the touchpad, so i would think it's a mousewheel event
[13:09] <nerochiaro> t1mp: oh wait, 2 fingers scroll, sorry
[13:10] <t1mp> I never had nay other multi-touch stuff working on my laptop, but that may be a hardware limitation
[13:11] <t1mp> hmmm.. touchpad-edge-swipes like on unity8 on devices would be cool to have on my laptop
[13:11] <t1mp> right-edge swipe on the touchpad to switch between running applications :)
[13:20] <nerochiaro> t1mp: btw just tried, 2 finger scroll on webbrowser-app isn't working
[13:24] <nerochiaro> t1mp: but 3-fingers scroll works, kind of
[13:40] <t1mp> 3-finger scroll?
[13:40] <t1mp> interesting. That doesn't work for me
[13:44] <nerochiaro> t1mp: put down two fingers and wiggle the 3rd around
[13:44] <nerochiaro> t1mp: guess some touchpads are only 2-touch enabled
[22:56] <RAOF> Bah, nobody stays around to my morning :)
[22:57] <RAOF> t1mp: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics doesn't send two-finger multitouch events; it consumes them itself to synthesise scroll events instead.
[22:57] <RAOF> t1mp: And most touchpads will _report_ more than 2 fingers touching the touchpad, but only send coordinates for the first 2.
[22:58] <RAOF> t1mp: Because apparently Apple is _still_ buying up _all_ the non-terrible touchpad hardware :(


[00:15] <Kyle__> where/how do you make custom versions of the setup & key-exchange scripts
[01:33] <oc80z> havnt touched base in here yet, is the cloud-install available for private use? for free? Could i deploy this on a handfull of virt machines i run? I have much to read up on i guess.
[13:47] <ayambit> I want to make like 50 vms for development. It it reasonable to use ubuntu-cloud for this?
[13:48] <ayambit> Or KVM with some control tools looks more suited for this task?
[17:16] <obino> it depends if you are looking for a cloud or you just want to virtualize some of your load
[17:17] <obino> for some basic about cloud computing http://open.eucalyptus.com/learn
[19:45] <apetrescu> Is there a straightforward way to make cloud-init userdata scripts run on every boot, not just once-per-instance?
[19:45] <apetrescu> (Full details of my problem at goo.gl/2eeI1 but the previous sentence just about summarizes it)
[20:18] <apetrescu> Secretly hoping smoser will know :)