[10:35] <marcodu> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/9c9bf49165a9383db05f5529b4442a07/pasted.txt
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[08:00] <rvba> bigjools: I can do this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/ipaddresses3/+merge/221988.  But I'm not sure how to improve the readability of the condition.  It's not easy to split because each check depends on the previous check being true.
[08:01] <bigjools> looking
[08:02] <bigjools> rvba: I think a nested for might be better here
[08:02] <bigjools> the nested list comp is uuuugly
[08:03] <rvba> A nested for would be much slower though.
[08:03] <bigjools> why?
[08:04] <rvba> Using list comprehension means the iteration is done at a lower level.
[08:04] <bigjools> also why not use itertools.chain?
[08:04] <rvba> I can do that.
[08:04] <bigjools> are you just using sum to expand the query set?
[08:04] <rvba> It's basically the same.
[08:04] <rvba> Yes.
[08:04] <bigjools> right
[08:05] <bigjools> sum obfuscates it a bit
[08:05] <bigjools> it's a bit like me getting a MatchError earlier today because "[] != []"
[08:05] <bigjools> the joy of repr :)
[08:55] <bigjools> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/deallocate-static-ip/+merge/221825 if you fancy it
[08:55] <rvba> bigjools: sure
[08:55] <bigjools> rvba: and https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/macaddress_to_ngi/+merge/221984 is easy karma
[09:25] <rvba> bigjools: reviews done.
[09:48] <rvba> I'm landing jtv's lint branch.  It looks pretty safe but I'll deal with any fallout.
[10:15] <xperia> Hi All. i was able to successful install Maas on my Ubuntu Server and to Commision my first Node. Maas Show now that the Status of my Node is Ready. When i Try however to PXE Boot my new Node Nothing Happens if i do however try to PXE Boot the Node over my Router however it works!
[10:15] <xperia> What could be the Problem and how can i fix it? I would love to be able to Start Up the Nodes with MaaS itself instead over the Router.
[13:36] <smoser> designated, the .dist was created by that shell snippet.
[13:36] <smoser> hm..
[13:36] <smoser> interresting.
[13:36] <smoser> i wonder if htat is busted.
[13:36] <smoser> nah. we are using hard links there, which might make it ocnfusing, but the script does a cp to the .dist, and then modifies the original so that should be ok.
[13:45] <gmb> rvba, allenap, jtv: Can I get a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/fix-commissioning-page-distro-list-bug-1312844/+merge/222010? I’m losing the ability to tell if it passes the smell test, so I’m perfectly happy with informed rejection :)
[13:45] <allenap> gmb: Sure.
[13:45] <gmb> Ta
[13:46] <rvba> Code smell detector activated.
[14:21] <allenap> rvba: Are you taking a look at that branch too then?
[14:21] <rvba> allenap: no, since you're reviewing it.
[14:21] <allenap> rvba: Would you mind casting your eye over it for the forms stuff?
[14:21] <rvba> allenap: sure
[16:35] <designated> smoser, I'm not sure what happened but I'm going to save off all of our custom preseeds and blow maas away.  I'm going to do a fresh install.  One of the interesting things I was seeing on nodes being commissioned, the hwclock was being adjusted to the correct local time but the timezone was still being reported as UTC.
[16:36] <smoser> designated, time zones dont really matter.
[16:36] <smoser> the only thing that really matters is the bios clock.
[16:36] <designated> is there a way to get a list of all ipmi addresses of all nodes in maas from the CLI?  'maas <profile> nodes list' doesn't list the ipmi ip address.
[16:37] <smoser> once you're up, a reboot will have ubuntu set the hardware clock to be utc.
[16:38] <smoser> designated, no. there is not. you can probalby get it fairly easily with python
[16:39] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1233158
[16:39] <designated> word
[16:40] <designated> I'll just dump them from the arp table on one of my routers and write a quick shell script to power cycle each one using ipmitools
[18:19] <designated> smoser, should the DNS zone name under cluster controller be a FQDN?
[18:20] <smoser> i'd tihnk so. like example.com
[18:20] <smoser> i think
[18:24] <designated> smoser, thanks
[20:39] <designated> smoser, so I have a fresh load of maas, finished importing boot images, added backdoor login and tried enlisting a node.  the node boots and sits at login screen, it never finishes and powers off, and is not showing up in maas.
[20:40] <designated> smoser, i do see some failure messages in cloud-init.log such as: 2014-06-04 14:24:42,994 - importer.py[DEBUG]: Failed at attempted import of 'ubuntu' due to: No module named ubuntu
[20:42] <smoser> was this always the problem? that it was failing to enlist ?
[20:43] <designated> smoser, no, it was working previously
[20:43] <designated> smoser, running 1.5.1+bzr2269-0ubuntu0.1
[20:44] <designated> smoser, like i said this is a fresh build.
[20:49] <smoser> there is some output going somewhere probably. not sure whats happening, but if it turns off then some code ran. that output would have been to the vga console i think. so you should have seen it.
[20:49] <smoser> it will sit doing nothing for a while
[20:50] <designated> smoser, it doesn't power off.  i can try powering it off via ipmi
[20:53] <designated> smoser, i powered it off and it showed up in maas.  it must have failed to detect ipmi.
[20:54] <smoser> designated, oh. if it doesnt power off, then you should be albe to ssh in and look around.
[20:55] <smoser> (since you back-doored it)
[20:55] <smoser> and apt-get install pastebinit and then pastebinit /var/log/cloud-init*
[20:58] <designated> smoser, i manually set ipmi settings, trying to commission it now to see if that will work.
[21:00] <designated> smoser, and right back to where i was yesterday during commissioning.
[21:00] <designated> OAuthUnauthorized: 'Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300'
[21:22] <magicrobotmonkey> is there a way to read the power settings from the maas cli tool?
[21:23] <magicrobotmonkey> on the gui i can see the ip, user, and pass
[21:23] <magicrobotmonkey> but i cant get it from the cli
[21:27] <magicrobotmonkey> i have power_type in read
[21:28] <magicrobotmonkey> but not the other information
[21:41] <designated> magicrobotmonkey, 'maas <profile> nodes list' will show you the power type but there is no CLI command to show ipmi, ip address, username or password.
[21:46] <magicrobotmonkey> ok thanks
[23:29] <designated> blake_r, smoser either one of you around?
[23:30] <designated> during commissioning, it looks like it never finishes because it cannot apt-get update.  I see a process running: root      1413  0.0  0.0  29008  2376 ?        S    17:13   0:00 apt-get --assume-yes -q update
[23:30] <designated> if i try to update it manually, i get the following:
[23:31] <designated> $ sudo apt-get update
[23:31] <designated> sudo: unable to resolve host vn-mgmt-0
[23:31] <designated> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:31] <designated> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/


[00:19] <Ascavasaion> Any idea why PCManFM closes (crashes?) when I unmount a device?
[00:20] <guiverc> Ascavasaion, you haven't said your release, but have you looked for clues in logs; crash file etc
[00:21] <Ascavasaion> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[00:21] <Ascavasaion> Would not know where the logs are, let me look around for them.
[00:22] <Ascavasaion> Found the config files HAHA
[00:22] <Ascavasaion> Delving some more
[00:23] <guiverc> I would run `dmesg` first
[00:24] <Ascavasaion> guiverc: Just did that in fact... Only see devices detected... nothing untoward there from my glance.
[00:24] <guiverc> sorry, if you can create the issue at will, I'd look in `dmesg` to see what's there, then cause crash & look again (new detail is appended at end).  crash logs are found in /var/crash/ (filename will indicate pcmanfm)   you could also look in journalctl
[00:26] <Ascavasaion> Nothing in DMesg
[00:26] <Ascavasaion>  /var/crash is empty
[00:27] <genii> Alternately, run it from a terminal and see what's in the terminal when it crashes
[00:28] <Ascavasaion> Nothing
[00:28] <Ascavasaion> Its a normal application closing it seems.
[00:28] <Ascavasaion> Weird
[00:29] <guiverc> Ascavasaion, this is guess; but if you only had a single tab open, and that 'directory' was closed - that would seem expected behavior to me (to close window; since window is now for invalid location)
[00:31] <Ascavasaion> I quickly installed thunar and ran it from command line.  The application never closed, but there is an interesting related message...
[00:31] <Ascavasaion> (thunar:6738): thunar-WARNING **: 08:29:50.045: Content type loading failed for 3130-3639: Error when getting information for file “/media/joel/3130-3639”: No such file or directory
[00:32] <Ascavasaion> guiverc: That makes sense... let me try it with two tabs
[00:33] <Ascavasaion> guiverc: I think you have hit the nail on the head... that's exactly it.  Thank you, awesome!
[00:33] <guiverc> :)
[00:34] <Ascavasaion> guiverc: I think you have hit the nail on the head... that's exactly it.  Thank you, awesome!
[00:34] <Ascavasaion> And I found the solution in the settings...
[00:36] <Ascavasaion> Edit>Preferences>Volume Management>When removable medium unmounted:Change folder in the tab to Home Folder
[00:36] <Ascavasaion> Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
[00:51] <guiverc> :)
[20:20] <nk> hello
[23:49] <fera64> lila
[23:58] <fera64> lila


[20:27] <Aleric> tomreyn: the suffering isn't over yet though... I'm still trying to recover. After generating a new keypair things went wrong again and gpg1 suddenly couldn't find my secret key either anymore. I restored everything from backup and am now trying to get things to work in parallel using a different --homedir for gpg1.  I am now at command 104 on the commandline :(.
[20:27] <arpad2> tomreyn: roughly yes, I am not sure which version of the driver is installed. I wonder would I be able to get back the GUIif I purged Nvidia completely. though at this point I really don't know what is causing this and how did the system get to this point
[20:27] <rwg2>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[20:28] <Sigals>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[20:30] <tomreyn> madLyfe: in the case of VLC, https://snapcraft.io/vlc states "verified account", "developer website: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/", "Contact VideoLAN: https://www.videolan.org/support/". Based on these factors you are supposed to decide whether or not to trust this software before installing it.
[20:31] <tomreyn> madLyfe: read also https://snapcraft.io/blog/trust-and-security-in-the-snap-store
[20:32] <eelstrebor> a lot of bugs in 18.04.1
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: The community is divided on snaps, and it depends on the program you are trying to install. For me, I avoid snaps if a traditional/regular installation exists for Ubuntu. As for verification, of snaps, you will have to do your own legwork to verify. There currently isn't any method to verify that maker of the snap has any involvement with the source/project for the application.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> madLyfe: as of today, there is nothing to stop a random person from creating a snap of their favorite application and providing it on the Ubuntu store.
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor: Do you have an Ubuntu specific support question?
[20:34] <fullstack> Hi I am running Ubuntu 16.04 with latest updates. My laptop crashes 3-4 times a day when I am browsing
[20:35] <fullstack> I don't see anything in the syslog kern.log or dmesg or can't catch it
[20:35] <fullstack> the fan appears to be running and it is not hot (80f>)
[20:35] <madLyfe> thanks tomreyn and pragmaticenigma !
[20:35] <tomreyn> arpad2: so the root issue there is that nvidia's drivers anre not open source and ubuntu developers, like those of every other linux distro, can only do as much as taking what they are given and try to make this work. this has also taken place for 18.04, but apparently what nvida made available is neither working out of the box, nor does it work very well even after tweaking it. there is this PPA which makes available newer versions of this
[20:35] <tomreyn> driver but if you installed those and it still doesn't work then your options are limited..
[20:35] <fullstack> any ideas? is this a kernel update issue with the intel problems?
[20:36] <madLyfe> maybe one of you guys can take a quick look at this issue i posted to the forums: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2398749
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> fullstack: what browser are you using?
[20:38] <tomreyn> arpad2: this said, you should make logs available again, running with the new driver, maybe this will hint on other options.
[20:38] <arpad2> tomreyn: how do you explain that the problems started when the system was up and running. some horizontal lines appeared and the whole thing crashed to on OS error message
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> fullstack: Things to try: ensure that the latest updates are installed ("sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade"). If that doesn't help, try a different web browser, there are plenty to choose from. If that doesn't help, come back with a report of what you have tried out so far.
[20:39] <fullstack> it happens with Firefox or Chrome.  After 10-15 minutes it doesn't do anything and I have to hold down the power button
[20:39] <tomreyn> arpad2: if you take a look at the logs you'll see the problems started by the time the nvidia driver was initialized
[20:39] <tomreyn> arpad2: they may not have been immediately visiable / exposed
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> fullstack: there is currently a large scale malvertising campaign that causes web browsers to lock up. Google Chrome just released an update this week to address it, Firefox has doen the same.
[20:40] <zzzADC7>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[20:41] <fullstack> pragmaticenigma, I thought something was up.
[20:41] <fullstack> any where I can find more info?
[20:41] <arpad2> tomreyn: ok, I am really fascinated with your knowledge 😎 log files don't mean too much for me
[20:42] <fullstack> It felt like my system went into "winxp spyware" mode
[20:42] <submain>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[20:42] <tomreyn> Aleric: i think it'd be best to use this situation to migrate off the 1024-bit RSA key now, i.e. using it to sign a replacement keypair and publishing a key migration notice, which you'd also sign with the old key.
[20:43] <eelstrebor> i have a few packages that are being held back and i don't know why: build-essential cpp g++ g++-multilib gcc gcc-multilib liblapack3
[20:43] <eelstrebor> ubuntu 18.04.1
[20:44] <tomreyn> Aleric: search the web for "gpg OR gnupg key transition statement" and you should find both examples and a how-to
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> fullstack: I don't have the link handy... you might find it in today's logs
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> !logs | fullstack
[20:44] <Aleric> tomreyn: I just finished re-encrypting all local files with a new key.  No idea how I'd what you say though.. sign the new key with an unsupported key and publish a migration notice?
[20:45] <cloudbud> Getting error ./a.out: error while loading shared libraries: liba.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:46] <Aleric> I'm pretty sure I can't sign my new key with my old key.
[20:46] <fullstack> what's the best Ubuntu rasberry pi distribution/version?
[20:46] <tomreyn> Aleric: obviously, to use the old  key which is now unsupported (i think you said only unsupported by gpg2, not gpg1, but maybe i got this wrong) you'd need to use the old key with a version of gnupg (and its library and other related utilities) which will accept it. you could do this on an earlier ubuntu versions' live cd, for example.
[20:47] <Aleric> But then all gpg v2's out there will get highly confused by a signature they can't read.
[20:48] <tomreyn> arpad2: the log files you posted earlier were /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/syslog, those could shed some light on the current situation. example command on how to post a log file online: sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:49] <Aleric> In fact I think that that is what I suffered from too: my trustdb.gpg file got corrupted because of the import because gpg2 didn't understand the trust signatures on my keys
[20:49] <Aleric> I had to export the trustdb, remove signatues by hand and reimport it.
[20:49] <Aleric> At that point gpg1 stopped working though.
[20:51] <arpad2> tomreyn: if Nvidia driver was removed would that help?
[21:01] <tomreyn> madLyfe: i wouldn't try to use a marvell 88SE9172 to manage a RAID array, but this decision is you to you to make, obviously. if you insist on using it for managing the arrays (and ot just as an additional, if somewhat slow, data controller), you'd need to look into dmraid to make use of the fakeraid.
[21:02] <madLyfe> tomreyn: just dmraid -a ?
[21:03] <tomreyn> arpad2: you could uninstall the nvidia drivers entirely, which would leave you with nouveau, which is a generic open source driver for nvidia hardware. this driver is not in a very rgeat state either, since ... you guess... nvidia makes hardly any documentation available for open source software developers.
[21:04] <tomreyn> arpad2: it may maker things work, but since you have this optimus / prime hardware configuration, i don't know how well this will work. but since you said your graphics worked previously, maybe it will actually work then.
[21:05] <arpad2> tomreyn: Nvidia was working fine, too. I was playing games on Steam.
[21:06] <tomreyn> arpad2: so it's worth a try. two other people who had similar issues here recently ended up making linux ignore the nvidia card at boot, which enabled them to run only on the intel, and to not have the nvidia draw power.
[21:06] <tomreyn> arpad2: on 18.04?
[21:06] <tomreyn> *ubuntu 18.04
[21:07] <tomreyn> madLyfe: sorry, it's about 10 years ago that i last used dmraid, can't help there.
[21:07] <arpad2> tomreyn: yes, Xubuntu 18.04
[21:08] <tomreyn> arpad2: oh, okay, i hadn't expected this, so what changed between when it worked and when it stopped working?
[21:08] <tomreyn> by 'nvidia', are you referring to the hardware or the driver?
[21:10] <madLyfe> ah ok. ty. i was getting: sudo dmraid -a y 'no raid disks'
[21:11] <arpad2> tomreyn: driver, first I thought it was a hardware failure because the crash happened while the system was running. I don't know what triggered this, there were some system updates, but it's usual to have such updates every week
[21:14] <arpad2> tomreyn: now I really have black screen after I purged Nvidia completely
[21:15] <tomreyn> arpad2: i see. well, it probably doesn't help to speculate on what introduced the issue now. you could search launchpad.net for any error messgae son your logs, and would likely find some bug reports with either workarounds or at least something to track and know when it's been fixed.
[21:19] <rogueomega> is the 16.04 gnome edition still supported?
[21:19] <tomreyn> rogueomega: do you have it installed and fully updated?
[21:21] <rogueomega> no
[21:21] <tomreyn> rogueomega: normally, ubuntu flavours other than the default one are supported for 3 years. this seems to also apply to 'gnome edition' according to https://ubuntugnome.org/: "Although Ubuntu GNOME 16.04.5 is supported until April 2019, we strongly encourage you to install the regular Ubuntu 18.04 LTS release which features a minimally customized GNOME desktop."
[21:22] <rogueomega> special reason why i need 16.04 - so i guess ill have to go with that
[21:22] <tomreyn> rogueomega: do you want to discuss them and possible alternatives?
[21:23] <rogueomega> im ok thx though
[21:23] <tomreyn> ok
[21:24] <bluesmonk> what's a clean way to source an .env file?
[21:25] <bluesmonk> this one is the cleanest I've found https://gist.github.com/judy2k/7656bfe3b322d669ef75364a46327836
[21:27] <tomreyn> bluesmonk: what is an ".env" file?
[21:27] <EriC^^> bluesmonk: use rubbing alcohol on the keyboard, then type the command
[21:28] <bluesmonk> tomreyn: uhm a file with assignments only, eg BOO=far
[21:28] <bluesmonk> used in things like docker, for instance
[21:29] <tomreyn> bluesmonk: so it's a configuration file, not a shell script?
[21:29] <bluesmonk> can't find a formal definition, gimme a sec
[21:29] <bluesmonk> it's a configuration file
[21:29] <bluesmonk> yes
[21:30] <tomreyn> so then, yes, you'll require a format definition. i'm not into this file format, unless it mimicks /etc/environment
[21:31] <bluesmonk> not sure what you meant, sorry
[21:31] <bluesmonk> what's a "format definition" in this context?
[21:31] <bluesmonk> like, how does one define a format?
[21:32] <tomreyn> my point is: how are you going to parse / interpret a file format that is unknown?
[21:33] <tomreyn> unless someone has written down a universally accepted way to interpret the bytes stored in a certain file, it won't be possible to interpret it correctly.
[21:35] <tomreyn> that's why you have specifications for all common file formats, such as for (different versions of) png, jpg, odf, ini, csv etc
[21:36] <bluesmonk> it's a text file, parsed by many other applications
[21:36] <FreeBDSM> could, someone, please, fix an issue with the package?
[21:36] <FreeBDSM> subliminal fails to work
[21:36] <bluesmonk> they have it built in, I'm guessing I don't want to dive into that
[21:37] <FreeBDSM> it installs fine but running it results into an exception `stevedore.exception.NoMatches: No guessit.transformer extensions found`
[21:38] <tomreyn> bluesmonk: if they're open source under a compatible license  you can always just reuse their parser. but that's kind of a development topic, not about ubuntu support.
[21:38] <bluesmonk> yes, I'm aware. I was hoping for something shipped with ubuntu
[21:38] <bluesmonk> but nvm
[21:39] <bluesmonk> thanks!
[21:39] <ph88> hey guys how can i get hwe for ubuntu 18.04 ?
[21:40] <tomreyn> ph88: there's none, yet, probably soon, though
[21:40] <tomreyn> ph88: in the mean time you could use (unsupported) mainline builds if needed.
[21:41] <tomreyn> !mainline | ph88
[21:41] <ph88> i have issues with display with kernel 4.15   This is fixed in kernel 4.16 or later .. but these mainline kernels don't work well with my wifi .. i get 50% packet loss and i can't work like this
[21:41] <FreeBDSM> does ubuntu have public issue tracker?
[21:41] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: have you tried a web search before asking this question?
[21:41] <FreeBDSM> yes
[21:42] <FreeBDSM> ubuntu.com is a total stuff
[21:42] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: what did you search for?
[21:43] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: ubuntu issue tracker? that would have pointed you tothe correct answer as search result #1 on three search engines i just tried.
[21:43] <FreeBDSM> I've found some launchpad.net that way
[21:43] <FreeBDSM> not sure what that is
[21:43] <nacc> FreeBDSM: that's the site that hosts ubuntu (and other) issue trackers.
[21:43] <FreeBDSM> I mean I know it has an issue tracker, but I don't know how it is related to ubuntu
[21:44] <FreeBDSM> very non-canonical
[21:44] <nacc> FreeBDSM: no idea what you're talking about.
[21:44] <FreeBDSM> about that mess of their infrastructure
[21:45] <FreeBDSM> but w/e
[21:45] <tomreyn> ph88: which issues are there with the display?
[21:45] <ph88> tomreyn, doesn't work properly 75% of the time .. the visual effects vary
[21:45] <tomreyn> ph88: which graphics chipset do you have there?
[21:45] <ph88> amd ryzen 5 2400g vega graphics
[21:46] <nacc> FreeBDSM: "mess" for someone who did not know what a deb was yesterday
[21:46] <tomreyn> ph88: you could try newer graphics drivers form a PPA
[21:46] <ph88> kernel 4.15 works good for my wifi but bad for my graphics.  Kernel 4.16 and higher works good for display but not for wifi
[21:46] <ph88> kernel has some specific things in there to support graphics
[21:47] <ph88> i've read about this .. that some fixes were made in 4.16 kernel
[21:47] <FreeBDSM> nacc: exactly. If even a newbie like me figures they are mess so quickly - I can only imagine what some people that are more familiar with ubuntu think of it!
[21:47] <ph88> but i also ready that mainline kernels don't have ubuntu driver patches and miss some driver support .. so i think this is the reason why my wifi is bad on these newer kernels
[21:47] <nacc> FreeBDSM: you have ranted about it enough. It's not a mess to someone who spends a few minutes bothering to read the wiki, etc.
[21:47] <nacc> FreeBDSM: if you are looking for ubuntu bugs, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[21:48] <FreeBDSM> oh, you must be an employee or something
[21:48] <FreeBDSM> didn't mean to offend
[21:48] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: that's enough
[21:48] <ph88> is there already code in a repo for ubuntu 18.10 ? i could try the kernel from there maybe if it include specific ubuntu patches
[21:48] <FreeBDSM> hggdh: huh?
[21:48] <nacc> ph88: 18.10 is at 4.17 yeah
[21:48] <nacc> ph88: you could try a live iso, but it's pre-alpha still, i think?
[21:48] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: please restrict yourself to technical issues with Ubuntu. Enough of ranting
[21:49] <ph88> but how do i get the 4.17 kernel from ubuntu 18.10 instead of the  4.17 mainline kernel ?
[21:49] <tomreyn> ph88: maybe you can use ethernet or ethernet over usb or a (different) external wireless chipset until hwe becomes available.
[21:49] <FreeBDSM> hggdh: you rant, not me
[21:49] <FreeBDSM> he asked - I answered
[21:49] <nacc> ph88: it's not trivial to install the cosmic version on bionic, and it has other dependnecies, perhaps
[21:50] <nacc> ph88: you are better off trying cosmic in a live env, imo
[21:50] <nacc> (if it'
[21:50] <nacc> (if it's possible currently), check in #ubuntu+1
[21:50] <saabstory88> I'm trying to set create a modeline to match a video wall. When I use cvt to create the modeline, the pixel clock and sync polarity don't match whats in the display manual. If i edit these values, what needs to be done to the other unlabeled numbers in the modeline?
[21:50] <ph88> tomreyn, can't use wire unfortunately
[21:51] <ph88> so i guess hwe for 18.04 comes out around the time 18.10 is released ?
[21:51] <nacc> right
[21:51] <nacc> well, it'll be after 18.10, iirc, but yeah
[21:51] <tomreyn> oh that late, i was thinking it was earlier, sorry.
[21:51] <meyou_> so i'm kernel panicing on boot, if i choose advanced and select the prior kernel, it boots fine
[21:51] <ph88> ok i guess until that time i will just have to reboot my computer so many times until display is stable
[21:52] <ph88> i noticed if display boots ok and is stable then i can just work and no problem after that
[21:52] <ph88> so i will leave my computer on
[21:52] <meyou_> i tried to update the grub config so it will boot the prior kernel by default, and it shows up as default in the grub menu now (with the asterisk)
[21:52] <nacc> ph88: did you file a bug?
[21:52] <meyou_> but if i let it boot unattended, it still panics, and if i browse the menu and choose the default option, it boots fine
[21:52] <ph88> nacc, for what ?
[21:52] <nacc> ph88: for the 18.04 kernel not supporting your graphics properly (if it works some of the time with just 18.04, that's a bug)
[21:53] <meyou_> my /etc/default/grub has GRUB_DEFAULT="Advancced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-130-generic"
[21:53] <meyou_> what am i missing here
[21:53] <ph88> nacc, last time i search on google i found some bug reports and also comments on these bug reports that already a lot has been fixed in 4.16 kernel and this is true because 4.16 kernel has stable display for me (but wifi problems)
[21:54] <FreeBDSM> well, the issue tracker doesn't work
[21:54] <FreeBDSM> http error 404
[21:54] <EriC^^> meyou_: it must be booting something else when you let it 'just boot'
[21:54] <nacc> ph88: ubuntu bug, not general bugs
[21:54] <ph88> i didn't file a bug
[21:54] <FreeBDSM> I can't confirm my ubuntuOne account
[21:54] <FreeBDSM> is there anyone here capable of solving this problem?
[21:54] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: where did you try to go?
[21:55] <ph88> don't see the point of filing a bug for something that has been fixed in next kernel version
[21:55] <FreeBDSM> hggdh: do not address me ever again.
[21:55] <nacc> ph88: right, i'm asking you to file a bug
[21:55] <meyou_> EriC^^, hmm, so it seems to be booting the generic "Ubuntu" line from the initial menu
[21:55] <nacc> ph88: ... i think you misunderstand what distribution bugs are for?
[21:55] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: your call, but not really germane
[21:55] <ph88> nacc, never heard about distribution bugs
[21:55] <meyou_> that's got the asterisk on a fresh boot, but if I go into Advanced options then my 130 kernel is default
[21:55] <EriC^^> meyou_: can you upload your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[21:55] <nacc> ph88: getting a bug fixed in the next kernel in mainline has no relevance on its own to ubuntu's kernels. If you would like to see your issue fixed *in* 18.04 then file a bug with ubuntu
[21:55] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: if you do not provide us enough and clear data, nothing we can do
[21:56] <ph88> nacc, so it's possible ubuntu people will backport the fix from 4.16 back into 4.15 ?
[21:56] <tomreyn> meyou_: did you update-grub after editing GRUB_DEFAULT?
[21:56] <meyou_> tomreyn, yes
[21:56] <nacc> ph88: only if you file a bug :)
[21:56] <meyou_> EriC^^, sec
[21:56] <FreeBDSM> registration `Step 2 of 3: Check your email`: results into an email being sent with a link to visit
[21:56] <nacc> ph88: anything is possible, with someone who cares to test, etc.
[21:56] <EriC^^> meyou_: there's a typo in the one you posted above
[21:56] <FreeBDSM> I visit it and I get on the page with 404 error
[21:57] <FreeBDSM> this happened twice by now
 my /etc/default/grub has GRUB_DEFAULT="Advancced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-130-generic"   advanced is double c
[21:57] <ph88> nacc, i didn't suspect that the distro will go so far to modify the kernel
[21:57] <hggdh> FreeBDSM: give us the URL of these instructions
[21:57] <meyou_> EriC^^, bah
[21:57] <nacc> ph88: not sure i follow
[21:57] <EriC^^> :D
[21:57] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: try copying the entire link and pasting it into your browser. Could just be an issue with the link being broken up with a carriage return
[21:57] <nacc> ph88: you know the ubuntu kernel is not just the mainline kernel, right?
[21:58] <ph88> nacc, yes
[21:58] <nacc> ph88: no distro's kernel is just the mainline kernel afaik
[21:58] <meyou_> i was sure that was just a transcription error
[21:58] <meyou_> but no that's as-is in the file
[21:58] <nacc> ph88: so ... why wouldn't they modify the kernel?
[21:58] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: just tried, no luck.
[21:58] <meyou_> and now it's booting the kernel i wanted
[21:59] <meyou_> thx for the fresh eyes :p
[21:59] <EriC^^> great, no problem
[21:59] <ph88> nacc, for the same reason why 18.04 stays on 4.15 kernel .. if they start moving code from 4.16 and higher into 4.15 it will become less and less "true" 4.15 kernel
[21:59] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: there is #launchpad on this irc network btw.
[22:00] <nacc> ph88: it's *already* not 4.15
[22:00] <nacc> ph88: you just said you understood this
[22:00] <nacc> ph88: you would rather no bugs get fixed ever? :)
[22:01] <FreeBDSM> okay, I guess it's easier to try to remove all subliminal-related packages and just install them via pip, rather than via apt.
[22:01] <ph88> nacc, i'm not even sure if they would classify "incomplete hardware support" as a bug when the next version of the kernel has more support for the hardware
[22:02] <nacc> ph88: ok, i'm done arguing with you about it. If you want something fixed in your distro, you file a bug.
[22:02] <ph88> nacc, i understand, your intentions are good
[22:02] <ph88> i don't have much faith in this process
[22:02] <nacc> ph88: but your lack of faith is based on ... nothing
[22:03] <ph88> it's based that i feel like nothing compared to the people that i would be responding on my bug report
[22:03] <ph88> that would *
[22:04] <nacc> ph88: that's simply not accurate. But again, you'll get nowther without putting in the legwork :)
[22:04] <ph88> ill try to find the bug report i found earlier at least
[22:04] <soc> hey, can someone help me? I'm slowly going insane
[22:04] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: that's probably a really bad idea, but it's your system
[22:05] <soc> I have added a new hard disk to my system, added it to /etc/fstab
[22:05] <soc> created /homenew and added that as the target folder for the new disk
[22:05] <soc> the intention was to boot into recovery, and copy /home to /homenew, then switch the names.
[22:06] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: I'll install it into virtualenv. No trust for python in system
[22:06] <soc> but whenever I try to mount /homenew it just says:
[22:06] <soc> $ mount -o defaults /homenew
[22:06] <soc> [   OK   ] Unmounted /homenew
[22:06] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: I meanm using the pip versions of packages as opposed to the system apt/deb packages
[22:08] <nacc> soc: you are inthe recovery shell when you do that?
[22:08] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: system apt package is broken, what else can I do? I can't even report that bug, because there's another bug that prevents me from registering in the issue tracker, lol.
[22:08] <soc> yes
[22:08] <nacc> soc: grep homenew /etc/fstab ?
[22:08] <soc> it's literally telling me "screw you" when I tell it to mount, and it unmounts instead.
[22:08] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: it sounds like as soon as you come across anything you don't understand or the slightest hiccup, you throw your hands up and call it an unfixable bug and proceed to make matters worse
[22:08] <nacc> soc: (also what version of ubuntu?)
[22:08] <soc> 18.04
[22:09] <nacc> soc: ok
[22:09] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: how is the system package(which package) broken?
[22:09] <nacc> soc: so the above grep ouptut please, and `mount | grep homenew`
[22:09] <soc> UUID=<numbers and stuff> /homenew ext4 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 2
[22:09] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: that how https://paste.ee/p/Ul33S
[22:10] <soc> the UUID of the mount corresponds to the UUID received from blkid
[22:10] <ph88> nacc  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683  people talking about fix in 4.16  https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7nqwoe/apparently_amds_request_to_be_excluded_from_the/
[22:10] <nacc> ph88: yes. that's the *upstream* kernel bugtracker
[22:10] <nacc> ph88: has nothing to do with the ubuntu kernel on its own
[22:10] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: what is that the output from?
[22:11] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: you won't believe it... the output is from running `subliminal`
[22:11] <soc> mount | grep homenew returns nothing
[22:11] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: what version of ubuntu?
[22:11] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: 18.04
[22:11] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: can you also share the exact command you ran?
[22:12] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: yes. It's `subliminal`.
[22:12] <nacc> soc: is there a /homenew directory?
[22:13] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: you do realize subliminal requires arguments in order to be run correctly right? There's a whole man page to tell you how to use it. I'm pretty sure *BSD has man pages so you should be familiar with those.
[22:13] <Umeaboy> What's the equivalent command to install all build-deps for alienarena? I tried sudo apt-get build-dep alien-arena or alienarena, but there aren't any build-dependancies found for 18.04 (Bionic).
[22:14] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: while the error output is lacking in any sort of human readable information, the issue a the moment is completely user error.
[22:14] <soc> nacc: yes
[22:14] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: Since you failed to read any sort of documentation for a command line utility you've never used before
[22:14] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: calling it without arguments shouldn't result into an exception. Also, I utilize mpv script 'subit.lua' ( https://github.com/wiiaboo/mpv-scripts/blob/master/subit.lua ) which uses subliminal and it says `subliminal failed`. And that very same script migrated to ubuntu from freebsd where it worked just fine.
[22:14] <nacc> Umeaboy: what happened when you ran `sudo apt-get build-dep alien-arena` ?
[22:14] <soc> nacc: empty and owned by root
[22:15] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: have you tried using subliminal without any sort of "ported" script from a completely different and somewhat incompatible operating system?
[22:16] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: the script is just a .lua file. It is OS agnostic.
[22:16] <Umeaboy> nacc: E: Unable to find a source package for alien-arena
[22:16] <jwheare1>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[22:16] <FreeBDSM> the script will probably work just fine as soon as subliminal issues get gone
[22:16] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: you haven't answered the question. Which means you haven't done any sort of proper troubleshooting
[22:17] <nacc> leftyfb: FreeBDSM: appears to be a bug in guessit? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=881289
[22:17] <nacc> soc: hrm, i would try mounting it manually
[22:17] <ph88> nacc, i can't find where to report a bug
[22:17] <nacc> !bug | ph88: you want `ubuntu-bug linux`
[22:18] <FreeBDSM> nacc: hmm, seems like you are right.
[22:18] <nacc> Umeaboy: do you have deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[22:18] <FreeBDSM> but I am using an LTS version of OS... why do I... nevermind
[22:20] <Umeaboy> nacc: Content of /etc/apt/sources.list is as follows: https://hastebin.com/vigicovedi.shell
[22:20] <nacc> FreeBDSM: LTS has no direct correlation to bugs, fwiw. But it seems like this might have been reported a while ago and not fixed in Ubuntu. dunno. someone in the community who cares needs to step up and fix the issue (subliminal is in universe)
[22:20] <FreeBDSM> nacc: the bug you linked to shows the same exception, but it is about failure to build the package. But I don't build my packages on ubuntu, I install only binaries
[22:20] <nacc> FreeBDSM: yes, i know, the underlying bug is that one, if i had to guess (in guessit somewhere)
[22:20] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: https://askubuntu.com/questions/698633/subliminal-does-not-work-in-ubuntu-18-04    found on the first page of google after looking up the error
[22:21] <nacc> Umeaboy: you don't have any deb-src lines. You can't get build depenencies without source info
[22:21] <hggdh> is alien-arena packaged for Ubuntu?
[22:21] <Umeaboy> What's the solution to get them?
[22:21] <Umeaboy> Yes.
[22:21] <nacc> hggdh: yeah
[22:21] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: you win this round, sir.
[22:21] <nacc> Umeaboy: uncomment the appropriate lines and run `sudo apt-get update`
[22:22] <nacc> hggdh: it's in multiverse, but yes
[22:22] <hggdh> nacc: yes, should have rmadison-ed it before asking... sorry
[22:22] <nacc> hggdh: np
[22:23] <FreeBDSM> I guess their solution should be temporary, because if I purge a package and install a replacement for it via pip - it's generally wrong
[22:23] <nacc> FreeBDSM: right
[22:24] <Guest1918> what should i install to use mail in the terminal ubnutu 18.4.1
[22:24] <leftyfb> Guest1918: define "use mail"
[22:26] <Guest1918> well im wating to manage my email such as lavabit or gmail through the terminal send and recive email
[22:26] <soc> nacc: that's what I'm doing, that's when I'm getting the unmounting message
[22:26] <FreeBDSM> nacc: leftyfb: thank you.
[22:26] <soc> should I try using the UUID from the partition instead of the UUID of the valume?
[22:28] <soc> mh, no, that didn't work
[22:29] <soc> using /dev/sdb1 doesn't work either
[22:32] <soc> any ideas?
[22:32] <Umeaboy> nacc: Is there no dbg package for alien-arena?
[22:32] <Umeaboy> I did as you said in the source list file.
[22:33] <Umeaboy> The dependancies are installed, but I need to debug it.
[22:33] <nacc> soc: you previously pasted mount -o defaults /homenew
[22:33] <Umeaboy> Should I just run it with --debug?
[22:33] <nacc> soc: that uses fstab
[22:33] <nacc> FreeBDSM: yw
[22:33] <nacc> Umeaboy: sorry, why are you asking about debug packages?
[22:34] <nacc> Umeaboy: debug pacakges come from the ddebs service now
[22:34] <Umeaboy> I want to debug a flickering issue when clicking on the fight button to start the game,
[22:34] <Umeaboy> OK.
[22:35] <nacc> Umeaboy: so why did you need the build-deps?
[22:35] <nacc> Umeaboy: or were you going to build the debug packages locally?
[22:35] <nacc> Umeaboy: for reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[22:36] <Umeaboy> Nope. I just want more output in the terminal.
[22:36] <Umeaboy> And I thought about building the game locally.
[22:36] <nacc> oh i see
[22:37] <nacc> Umeaboy: so i don't know hwy you needed one or the other for your purposes :)
[22:37] <Umeaboy> I seem to get a segmentation fault when trying to load openarena.
[22:37] <Umeaboy> Signal 11
[22:38] <smeggysmeg19>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[22:39] <nacc> Umeaboy: with the ubuntu package or yours/
[22:39] <Umeaboy> With the Ubuntu package.
[22:39] <nacc> Umeaboy: in addition to your flickering problem?
[22:40] <Umeaboy> I mistakened the flickering to be for openarena, but it was in alienarena.
[22:41] <nacc> oh i  didn't realize were talking about two different programs ;)
[22:41] <Umeaboy> My bad!
[22:41] <Umeaboy> Sorry!
[22:41] <nacc> totally my fault, easy to miss :)
[22:50] <tomreyn> Umeaboy: i just tried, openarena crashes for me (ubuntu 18.04.1, amd64), too, with default settings, upon starting a skirmish. the crashing proicess is ioquake3
[22:50] <tomreyn> Umeaboy: did you report a bug?
[22:55] <rsmith31415> Hi there. Anyone bought a G Series laptop (Dell) and installed Ubuntu successfully? I'm probably going to buy that laptop, but there are not many instructions to install Ubuntu (e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/91rzc1/installing_linux_on_a_dell_g7/)
[23:04] <Death91622>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[23:05] <JacobTDC> Is there a good program for turning an html document (such as the Node.js docs) into something like a manpage or vim help file?
[23:06] <JacobTDC> Just, some kind of file with navigable links?
[23:09] <superburger> Hi !
[23:10] <superburger> I have a small question: what does it mean to have a package owned by "Ubuntu MOTU Developers" ? Thanks !
[23:10] <nacc> superburger: it means it is in universe. MOTU = masters of the universe. That means updates/fixes are community maintained.
[23:10] <nacc> superburger: rather than by canonical (in particular, security fixes)
[23:11] <superburger> @nacc Thanks !
[23:15] <nacc> supersoju: yw
[23:15] <nacc> supersoju: sorry
[23:16] <JacobTDC> Eh, nvm.
[23:19] <tomreyn> rsmith31415: hardware discussions aren't really topical here but we can discuss this in #uubntu-offtopic or ##hardware if you like
[23:19] <tomreyn> !offtopic | rsmith31415
[23:23] <triggerpig> test
[23:23] <triggerpig> awesome
[23:26] <Guest43963>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[23:27] <rsmith31415> tomreyn: Of course. I will join #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks
[23:28] <qwebirc24459> Am I blocked
[23:31] <confluency> qwebirc24459: Blocked from where?
[23:32] <qwebirc24459> I got some message from freenode stating all messages will be blocked from unidentified users
[23:32] <Umeaboy> qwebirc24459: Are you regged?
[23:32] <qwebirc24459> Umeaboy: nope
[23:32] <Umeaboy> Then please do so.
[23:33] <Umeaboy>  /msg NickServ reg help and read the PM.
[23:34] <Umeaboy> Then you have to identify to NickServ every time you use the Freenode server.
[23:35] <Umeaboy> What the fudge?
[23:35] <qwebirc24459> back and regged?
[23:35] <qwebirc24459> nope
[23:35] <qwebirc24459> odd.
[23:36] <qwebirc24459> I'm logged in under my user account, but still sending messages as qwebirc24459
[23:38] <DalekSec> qwebirc24459: /nick s7rawman
[23:38] <s7rawman> ah ha
[23:38] <s7rawman> it's beautiful
[23:39] <cwre>        http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg             http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg
[23:40] <JackPot> Hi. I'm trying to verify a bug with launchers: I edited firefox.desktop  to open in private mode, but it doesn't work unless the launcher is not locked to the dock. Ubuntu 18.04, 16.04 works fine.
[23:40] <JackPot> Can someone confirm?
[23:40] <IdiocyInAction> hello
[23:41] <IdiocyInAction> I get several ACPI errors on startup and in dmesg
[23:42] <IdiocyInAction> I also seem to have have issues with my display driver, might that be related
[23:42] <Umeaboy> What Ubuntu version and what kernel and does that create any issue for you?
[23:42] <IdiocyInAction> 18.04, 4.15.0-32-generic
[23:43] <Umeaboy> What symptoms does your display have?
[23:43] <Umeaboy> If the image is fine, those are just warnings.
[23:44] <IdiocyInAction> well, it is a rather weird issue which is why I am rather stumped, I run ubuntu+windows in a dualboot config and when I start ubuntu first I cannot get any screen output (HDD light flashes though and keyboard works), but when I start windows then ubuntu it works
[23:44] <Umeaboy> OK.
[23:45] <IdiocyInAction> I tried using nouveau, but that didn't recognize my GPU at all, so I switched to the propietary driver
[23:45] <Umeaboy> Which driver?
[23:45] <Umeaboy> And?
[23:45] <Umeaboy> Try loading the kernel by adding nomodeset.
[23:45] <Umeaboy> Let me know if that makes any difference.
[23:45] <s7rawman> anywho my reason for being here. I've got my system set up running luks encryption on my primary os. I've set up a second disk under luks, full disk. It's set up to use a key file that's stored on the encrypted primary drive using crypttab, and then mounts the partition using fstab. Last time I did this, it wouldn't boot. Some error about unable to mount partion. Do you see any issue with this config?
[23:46] <s7rawman> *using crypttab to decrypt
[23:48] <Goop> Hey, so I followed this tutorial: https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/remote-desktop/install-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[23:49] <Goop> and I'm not getting a desktop environment with the "regular" Ubuntu look, with the bar on the left and a search tool in Ubuntu Dash.
[23:49] <Goop> Does Ubuntu auto-adjust what to show, based on screen size or client?
[23:49] <Umeaboy> I'd say the latter.
[23:49] <Umeaboy> I'm not expert though.
[23:49] <Goop> I'm on Ubuntu Server, installing the following packages: ubuntu-desktop gnome-panel gnome-settings-daemon metacity nautilus gnome-terminal
[23:49] <Umeaboy> no
[23:50] <Umeaboy> Anyway. Gotta go to sleep.


[16:29] <silverlion> hey everybody
[18:47]  * silverlion sings "let us fly with the winds soulbrother"
[18:51] <silverlion> yeah you may declare me as crazy
[18:51] <silverlion> :D