[00:44] <gunix> hello
[00:45] <gunix> i am trying to boot ubuntu16.04 on hp dl380 gen9 servers and the problem is the servers are PXE booting and are shutting down right after that
[00:45] <gunix> and they don't appear in machines or innodes
[01:00] <gunix> i tried to manually add the machines and they are failing testing
[01:00] <gunix> proc and mem are detected but disks not
[02:25] <mup> Bug #1757312 opened: UI - Network Discovery - Cannot use browser search <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757312>
[05:41] <mup> Bug #1757210 changed: libvirt drops connection when attaching a disk (breaks MAAS pods) <MAAS:Incomplete by newell-jensen> <libvirt (Ubuntu):In Progress by paelzer> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757210>
[13:58] <wdennis_> is there a log available of this channel?
[14:00] <wdennis_> Also, the "Docs" link in the channel header message 404's... Shouldn't it be "http://docs.maas.io" ??
[14:00] <roaksoax> gunix: that could mean you have problems with memory and proc on your systems ? what version of MAAS you using ?
[14:00] <roaksoax> wdennis: MAAS can do partitioning for you
[14:00] <roaksoax> wdennis: you can use the UI or api to do
[14:01] <roaksoax> wdennis: as far as additional packages and such, you can user cloud init. The deploy api has user_data which allows you to send cloud-init user data
[14:01] <wdennis_> roaksoax: didn't see how in docs, any links?
[14:02] <roaksoax> wdennis_: to be fari, you have to ways:
[14:02] <wdennis_> I'm familiar with what d-i directives in need to put in a preseed; how to do that with cloud-init?
[14:02] <roaksoax> 1. modifying the preseed: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/06/02/customising-maas-installs
[14:02] <roaksoax> 2. using cloud-init, see the last comment: https://askubuntu.com/questions/636837/are-there-examples-of-custom-installation-scripts
[14:03] <roaksoax> doing it in the preseeds (1) makes it permanent
[14:03] <roaksoax> doing (2), per deployment
[14:03] <roaksoax> more cloud-like
[14:04] <wdennis_> roaksoax: Thx for links
[14:04] <wdennis_> Any good docs on cloud-init?
[14:06] <wdennis_> Ah, http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
[15:58] <mup> Bug #1757475 opened: include favicon for easy tab identification  <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757475>
[16:04] <roaksoax> win 3
[16:42] <wdennis_> roaksoax: So I figured out how to partition my test node in the UI, and it did so; how to set up a partition map that applies to all deployed nodes?
[19:17] <gunix> roaksoax: are you still on here?
[19:18] <gunix> i don't see the storage in the MAAS web GUI, but i SSHed into the physical servers and on lsblk i find: sda     8:0    0 894.3G  0 disk
[19:18] <gunix> ...
[20:54] <wdennis_> So I read moar docs, and saw the options for "Default storage layout" in settings... "LVM" is about what I want, but I'd like to customize it (create another LV for "/home")... any way to do that?
[21:37] <roaksoax> wdennis_: there's no way to create a custom default storage layout today, unfortunately, it is, however, a wishlist
[21:42] <wdennis_> roaksoax: on roadmap?
[21:45] <roaksoax> wdennis_: it is on the long list of roadmap items yet, not scheduled though
[21:59] <gunix> roaksoax: i figured it out. maas is awesome
[21:59] <gunix> i just had to recommission and everything went fine. i deployed alled servers.
[22:00] <gunix> thanks for the help!


[09:27] <trucMuche> caution
[09:27] <trucMuche> * [Gast_314_] (n=Gast_314@p4FD6EEF1.dip.t-dialin.net): PennergameUser
[09:28] <trucMuche> * Gast_314_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a rejoint #ubuntu-fr
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[21:11] <calc> PriceChild: can i get an ubuntu cloak?
[21:11] <PriceChild> calc: are you an ubuntu member? (launchpad url?)
[21:11] <calc> PriceChild: launchpad.net/~ccheney
[21:11] <calc> PriceChild: yes i am a core dev
[21:11] <Nafallo> not the same thing :-)
[21:11] <calc> and a member and a motu, etc :)
[21:12] <PriceChild> Nafallo: i believe that grants ubuntu member status
[21:12] <PriceChild> Nafallo: motu definitely does
[21:12] <calc> i became a member and motu in june 07, and a core dev in aug 07
[21:12] <Nafallo> how evil. that changed since I became a Member and MOTU back in... 2005? :-P
[21:13] <Nafallo> also, how's you calc? :-)
[21:13] <PriceChild> calc: could you set and confirm an email with nickserv, then group an alt nick?
[21:13] <calc> PriceChild: ah ok, i followed the bit on the wiki that said to hidemail :)
[21:13] <calc> PriceChild: i'll change it quick
[21:13] <PriceChild>  /msg nickserv help set email & /msg nickserv help group for help or ask
[21:14] <PriceChild> calc: I am freenode staff, I can see through that setting and you have no email set.
[21:15] <calc> PriceChild: oh ok, i somehow must have never set it up when i initially created the account, done now
[21:15] <PriceChild> calc_: Could you also add this nick to your launchpad page in the launchpad.net/~ccheney/+editircnicknames
[21:15] <Nafallo> lol. Nafallo|THM must have been AGES ago.
[21:16] <PriceChild> calc: freenode didn't require an email to register until very recently
[21:17] <calc> PriceChild: ok, done
[21:18] <PriceChild> calc: done
[21:18] <calc> thanks :)


[00:01] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[00:04] <FernandoMiguel> hummm
[00:04] <FernandoMiguel> can't seem to pass sound along via HDMI to my TV
[00:04] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[00:10] <bjsnider> you have to use the audio applet and change the output device to hdmi
[00:10] <penguin42> and then fight with the config on your tv
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: it doesn't create TWO devices
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> only internal device
[00:11] <penguin42> what video card?
[00:11] <bjsnider> sandybridge
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> so all sound *EITHER* is on laptop speaker OR on TV
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> it used to be able to pick each per app
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> I can change the profile
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> but that will send the entire thing to ONE place only
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> and now bright died... oh joy
[00:14] <FernandoMiguel> filing a bug on pulse
[00:18] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/892642
[00:19] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: What does it show up as in Alsa? is there one entry in /proc/asound/cards or two?
[00:19] <FernandoMiguel>  0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[00:19] <FernandoMiguel>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7f00000 irq 50
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: ^^^^
[00:20] <penguin42> then in that case I say it's not PA's fault
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> it's the intel codec?
[00:20] <penguin42> although you might look if it's got multiple separate channels
[00:22] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: teach me, master
[00:22] <penguin42> penguin42: I think so but I don't know enough to know if it can do separate independent channels on one card
[00:23] <penguin42> erk I must be tired, speaking to myself
[00:24] <cjwatson> aking1012: thanks for mentioning that, but bugs reported on IRC will be forgotten - could you file it in Launchpad (debian-installer package in Ubuntu) with logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman), please?
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: aking1012 yeah I can confirm that daily images won't install
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> partman bug somewhere
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> both last 3 dailys cds and dvd
[00:26] <cjwatson> ok, first I've heard of it
[00:26] <cjwatson> alternate or desktop
[00:26] <cjwatson> ?
[00:26] <aking1012> yeah will do
[00:26] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: desktop
[00:26] <FernandoMiguel> alternate worked
[00:26] <aking1012> alternate for me, but it may be present on desktop...alternate installed a full desktop package for me
[00:26] <cjwatson> I installed desktop yesterday; it was fine
[00:26] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: really?
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> I tried last 3 dailies
[00:27] <cjwatson> no, I made it up just to mess with you
[00:27] <cjwatson> yes, really
[00:27]  * penguin42 guesses dependent on hardware or existing partitioning
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> all would not show any options to assign partitions
[00:27] <cjwatson> logs
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> didn't take any
[00:27] <cjwatson> many things in this area are dependent on existing partitioning, yes
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> full disk wipe
[00:27] <cjwatson> or very occasionally on hardware
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> 64 GBs SSD
[00:28] <cjwatson> logs are an order of magnitude more helpful than verbal descriptions
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> okay
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> ill try again
[00:28] <cjwatson> thanks
[00:28] <aking1012> i got SEVERE weirdness...like wouldn't even let me specify mountpoints for existing formatted partitions or specify whether i should format or not
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> aking1012: yeah, that what I got
[00:28] <cjwatson> I'm happy to look at this, but I need detailed logs
[00:29] <FernandoMiguel> ohh I have another fine one on alternate: it won't let me pick ext2
[00:29] <cjwatson> (and possibly not right now, it's 12:30am)
[00:29] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: here too
[00:29] <FernandoMiguel> night is still a child
[00:30] <aking1012> you guys are 4 hrs ahead of me
[00:30] <cjwatson> sadly, my child is going to wake up in fewer hours than I need sleep
[00:30] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: not that is any helpful. but on windows 7 it works fine
[00:31] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Correct, not helpful
[00:31] <aking1012> lolz
[00:31] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: enjoy the pillow
[00:31] <FernandoMiguel> so the device is capable
[00:31] <FernandoMiguel> the problem is software side
[00:31] <cjwatson> sure, I expected that
[00:31] <penguin42> it's just the pangolin isn't precise yet
[00:31] <cjwatson> people brush things off as hardware problems way too quickly ...
[00:31] <cjwatson> penguin42: please don't do that
[00:32] <cjwatson> we need to squash problems quickly, not dismiss them as "oh, precise is unstable"
[00:32] <cjwatson> otherwise precise won't be stable
[00:32] <penguin42> cjwatson: Oh sorry, I didn't mean it in a derogatory way - just things always have stuff that needs fixing while it's in dev
[00:32] <cjwatson> there is no reason why partitioning should be broken right now, therefore it needs to be investigated properly
[00:32] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: for a reason I'm running it on bare metal
[00:33] <FernandoMiguel> filing bugs of what I can
[00:33] <FernandoMiguel> doing clean installs
[00:33] <cjwatson> absolutely
[00:34] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: I actually assumed partman being broken was known or expected at this time
[00:34] <FernandoMiguel> fail on me , since I know very well not to expect devs to know about MY bugs
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> I guess having such a bad time with 11.10 and a dead laptop, and a non working one, made me stop caring for a while
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> I even installed Fedora 16 on this new laptop.... but it sucks even more
[00:35] <aking1012> awww
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> so here I am back to ubuntu +1 winning
[00:35] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Out of interest, did you return the vaio?
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I did
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> lovely machine, very light, very fast
[00:36] <penguin42> ...pity it didn't work
[00:36] <aking1012> my only issue was that i had to resize partitions...after a default side-by-side install.  the logs for the bug report might be lacking if i have to delete and reinstall to replicate
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> it was an i3 and seemed faster than this dell with a i5
[00:36] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: totally not expected at this time
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> aking1012: it happened to me 3 times
[00:36] <cjwatson> I just tried today's daily in kvm with a blank disk; it allowed me to select ext2 just fine
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> two cd (usb) isos and one DVD
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> the 19th
[00:37] <cjwatson> aking1012: why not attach the logs from the install you did?
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: we can't install it... now way to go forward
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> we get stuck at picking partitions
[00:37] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: so I need a way that I can reproduce this
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> let me try in virtual box
[00:38] <aking1012> yeah, that's the issue. it works fine as long as you do a vanilla install... and cjwatson:i probably will.  any particular output you would find most useful?
[00:38] <cjwatson> the single best way to get me to fix installer bugs is to clearly describe a way I can reproduce them in a virtual environment
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> I'm doing a Manual config, 2GB /boot in ext2 and remaining logical, with one ext4 for /
[00:38] <cjwatson> aking1012: /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman (from an existing install)
[00:38] <cjwatson> I do not need or want any logs other than that
[00:38] <aking1012> cjwatson: will do
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> installing VB now
[00:39] <FernandoMiguel> still have the pendrive I used
[00:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I suspect that because you managed an install with the alternate the problem may not be reproducable any more even on the full machine, but it might be worth a go
[00:39] <penguin42> (the alternate having changed the part table)
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: ill do it in a VM
[00:40] <cjwatson> depends very much on the cause; over eight years of debugging partitioning problems I've learned that it's unwise to prejudge causes
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> if I can reproduce there, it should be easy to mimic
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> if it fails to happen there, then its somewhat HW related
[00:40] <cjwatson> no
[00:40] <cjwatson> that's not a valid inference
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> I still have a partition free, and can try there if need be
[00:41] <cjwatson> I can't remember the last time I encountered a partitining bug that was truly a hardware bug
[00:41] <cjwatson> *partitioning
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel>   google-talkplugin: Depends: ia32-libs (>= 2.4) but it is not going to be installed.
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel>                      Depends: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed.
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel> bah...... stupid dependencies
[00:41] <cjwatson> google-talkplugin:i386 might work better
[00:42] <cjwatson> ia32-libs => zombie, quicker it dies the better
[00:42] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[00:42] <FernandoMiguel> you mean I can install the 32bits version and it will work?
[00:42] <FernandoMiguel> so that's why we see all those packages :i386
[00:43] <cjwatson> that is the intent, as of 11.10
[00:43] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: That's the wonders of multiarch!
[00:43] <cjwatson> ia32-libs was a festering nightmare
[00:43] <FernandoMiguel> I know
[00:43] <penguin42> nod
[00:43] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo aptitude purge google-talkplugin
[00:43] <cjwatson> if there are problems with doing it the multiarch way we will fix them
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-talkplugin:i386:
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel>  google-talkplugin:i386 depends on libv4l-0.
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> dpkg: error processing google-talkplugin:i386 (--install):
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> doh
[00:45] <cjwatson> OK, so v4l-utils hasn't been multiarched yet
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> -  google-talkplugin: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed. or
[00:45] <cjwatson> that's fixable for 12.04, I suggest filing a bug on it and tagging it multiarch
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> bah
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> will do
[00:46] <cjwatson> if people were relying on ia32-libs for google-talkplugin then we need to ensure that all its dependencies are converted
[00:46] <cjwatson> libgl1-mesa-glx, on the other hand, *has* been multiarched; so that's probably just apt giving up at the first level of problems
[00:46] <cjwatson> $ apt-cache show libgl1-mesa-glx | grep ^Multi-Arch:
[00:46] <cjwatson> Multi-Arch: same
[00:46] <cjwatson> hm, wait
[00:47] <cjwatson> libv4l-0 *has* been multiarched
[00:47] <cjwatson> $ apt-cache show libv4l-0 | grep ^Multi-Arch:
[00:47] <cjwatson> Multi-Arch: same
[00:47]  * FernandoMiguel stops filling bug
[00:47] <cjwatson> what does 'sudo apt-get install libv4l-0:i386' say?
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel>  google-talkplugin:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 but it is not going to be installed or
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel>                                    libgl1:i386
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel>  libv4l-0:i386 : Depends: libv4lconvert0:i386 (= 0.8.5-6ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[00:48] <cjwatson> (aptitude has known problems with multiarch; I don't remember whether that's just its UI or whether it's the resolver too)
[00:48] <cjwatson> so now add 'libv4lconvert0:i386' to that command line
[00:48]  * FernandoMiguel <3s aptitude (over apt-get)
[00:49] <cjwatson> you're welcome to, but it's known not to work
[00:49] <FernandoMiguel> any bug I can track about that?
[00:49] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768 at least
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> AHH
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: its not the archive archs
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> its google talk plugin
[00:50] <cjwatson> ?
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> that when installed breaks it
[00:51] <FernandoMiguel> if if purge the i386 version, installing libv4 works
[00:51] <cjwatson> that doesn't make sense to me; I don't know whether it's alcohol, or the lateness, or unclearness :)
[00:51] <FernandoMiguel> :=
[00:51] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> I've purged google talk plugin
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> installed v4 i386
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> let me see if talk plugin now works or if it still complains
[00:52] <cjwatson> please don't abbreviate package names; it is very confusing indeed
[00:52] <cjwatson> I guess you mean libv4l-0
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> Setting up google-talkplugin:i386 (<IP_ADDRESS>-1) ...
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> and that works.....
[00:52] <cjwatson> there is an art to extracting good error messages from apt :)
[00:52] <cjwatson> ok
[00:53] <FernandoMiguel> humm the order of install maters
[00:53] <cjwatson> it should not!
[00:53] <cjwatson> were you still using aptitude
[00:53] <cjwatson> ?
[00:53] <FernandoMiguel> tell that to google packagers
[00:53] <cjwatson> no
[00:53] <FernandoMiguel> no, I'm using dpkg and apt-get
[00:53] <cjwatson> apt's behaviour is not the responsibility of the google-talkplugin packager
[00:54] <cjwatson> it would be silly to complain to them about it
[00:54] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: let me know what I can do to help track this... but now, go to bed
[00:54] <FernandoMiguel> I'll be here daily
[00:54] <FernandoMiguel> we are on similar TZs, should be easy
[00:54] <cjwatson> feel free to file a bug about this, but make sure it has a complete transcript of everything you did, not a verbal description
[00:55] <FernandoMiguel> and I use Google+ daily , so its easy to reproduce
[00:55] <cjwatson> copy and paste from the console
[00:55] <cjwatson> anyway, yeah, sleep
[00:55] <cjwatson> night
[00:55] <FernandoMiguel> nn
[00:56] <FernandoMiguel> hummm the plugin isn't being detected... let me restart the browser
[00:58] <FernandoMiguel> anyone else on a clean install, is having stuff require ROOT password instead of user/sudo?
[01:02] <aking1012> not me...
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> hummmmmm
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> it's very strange
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> I've set a pass for root
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> but still doesn't justify this
[01:10] <penguin42> I can imagine stuff doing stuff differently if it found that a root password had been set - not sure if that's true though
[01:14] <FernandoMiguel> let me disable root
[01:15] <FernandoMiguel> no go
[01:16] <FernandoMiguel> what's pkexecs?
[01:16]  * penguin42 guesses related to package-kit ?
[01:17] <penguin42> oh no
[01:17] <penguin42> ah, PolicyKit
[01:17] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[01:18] <bjsnider> yes, i think policykit was just introduced
[01:19] <bjsnider> which means possibly all of that extra-security that makes fedora so much fun to quit
[01:19] <FernandoMiguel> so why am I the only one hitting this ?
[01:19] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: stop that rantting........
[01:21] <bjsnider> i ♥ my fedora-using cousins
[01:25] <FernandoMiguel> so, what can I do to check if this is a PK bug?
[01:27] <bjsnider> i wonder if you can turn pk off for a session
[01:34] <FernandoMiguel> I guess that why even the livecd asks for "password" on popups for super user
[01:35] <aking1012> on the livecd just hit enter
[01:40] <FernandoMiguel> fuuuu
[01:40] <FernandoMiguel> can't reproduce the bug with VB, aking1012 :\
[01:42] <aking1012> it's okay...just an oddity i experienced
[01:52] <FernandoMiguel> but I did it 3 times
[01:52] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[01:52] <FernandoMiguel> must be something on my SSD
[03:50] <FernandoMiguel> nity nite
[11:28] <tsousa> the next version of ubuntu will have 3.1.x series?
[11:31] <sagaci_> tsousa: 3.2 kernel - if that's what you're referring to
[11:32] <tsousa> i have some problems with the current version 3.0.x . i get some kernel panics with wpa_supplicant
[11:32] <tsousa> and that problem is fixed in 3.1.x series
[11:35] <iceroot> tsousa: you are not talking about the rt2800pci wifi-panics?
[11:35] <tsousa> yes
[11:35] <tsousa> rt61
[11:35] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502
[11:36] <iceroot> its not fixed in 3.2
[11:36] <iceroot> or in any other 3.x kernel
[11:37] <tsousa> so no solution?
[11:37] <iceroot> but there is a patch now which needs testing
[11:37] <tsousa> iceroot, can you give me the patch or the link?
[11:37] <iceroot> tsousa: install the wifi-driver from the ra-website or use 2.6.38. that are the solutions now
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> iceroot: I never seem to get it when my laptop is fully charged and I'm on AC
[11:38] <iceroot> tsousa: here is the patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502/comments/108
[11:40] <tsousa> iceroot, in the patch it says rt2800pci but i have an rt61 it will work as well?
[11:41] <iceroot> tsousa: rt2800pci does not mean the wifi-chip, it means the kernel-module
[11:41] <iceroot> lsmod should show rt2800pci
[13:13] <FernandoMiguel> here's a nice bootchart http://fernandomiguel.net/now-compare-this-ubuntu-1204-bootchart-8sec-w
[13:13] <FernandoMiguel> http://fernandomiguel.net/for-future-reference-here-is-fedora-16-bootch
[13:31] <bluefoxicy> April right?
[13:31] <bluefoxicy> Need next version, Gnome-shell crashes too much on current :|  I googled it and got results "Unity crashes a hell of a lot still" lol... anything using 3D and compositing falls apart...
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:53] <FernandoMiguel> what's the procedure to file bugs on multi arch support?
[15:04] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/892778
[16:03] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: file bug on the packages that need to be fixed (not ia32-libs), tag it multiarch (not multi-arch)
[16:03] <cjwatson> I've fixed the tag and will add bug tasks on the appropriate packages for you
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: thanks. sorry for the mistakes.
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> but since this are packages outside the repos, it's on the depenencies ?
[16:07] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: also, I could not reproduce my partman bug on a VM.... ill try on liveusb later and open a bug report with the logs
[16:07] <cjwatson> please rephrase the last but one thing you said; I did not understand it
[16:09] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: but since this are packages outside the repos (team viewer, google-talkplugin,skype,etc) , should we file the bugs on the dependencies that aren't yet properly working ?
[16:10] <cjwatson> yes, assuming that you can accurately work out which they are :-)
[16:10] <cjwatson> using dpkg -i is not a good guide because dpkg does not resolve dependencies
[16:10] <cjwatson> (this is true whether you're looking at multiarch or not)
[16:11] <cjwatson> if you really don't know you can file it on no package (i.e. just Ubuntu) and tag it multiarch
[16:12] <FernandoMiguel> thanks
[16:12] <FernandoMiguel> will try to do my best
[16:14] <FernandoMiguel> can anyone point me where do I set compiz as my WM instead of metacity in gnome-fallback ?
[16:14] <FernandoMiguel> having to start it manually on each login is dumb
[16:17] <FernandoMiguel> also if anyone can point me on how to trace how to get the internal 3G (soft?) modem this Dell laptop is supposed to have, I would appreciate! dell support assures me it is present... but neither win7, fedora or ubuntu seems to "see" it :\
[16:41] <zniavre> FernandoMiguel,  im using fusion-icon to start compiz
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> zniavre: fusion-icon is poisen
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> has been since 7.04
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> alias compizC='DISPLAY=:0 compiz --reload &'
[17:18] <Ryan_Reynolds> hey anyone got any screenshots of 12.xx?
[17:28] <Ryan_Reynolds> also can someone ask ocean why he decided to ban me for asking how to get the nvidia-current driver enabled and in use?
[17:28] <Ryan_Reynolds> afaik, this is a legit problem
[17:28] <oCean> Ryan_Reynolds: you can discuss your removal in #ubuntu-ops, not here
[18:53] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, gnome-session-fallback has a terminal disease
[18:54] <bjsnider> it's being removed now that gnome-shell can be run without opengl hardware
[18:55] <FernandoMiguel> oh boy
[18:55] <FernandoMiguel> shall I leave ubuntu now?
[18:56] <bjsnider> it's not an ubuntu issue
[18:56] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: you know, I was using xmonad + unity 2d until about a week ago
[18:56] <bjsnider> sooner or later, the choices are going to be: kde, gnome-shell, unity, or some old-style thing like xfce
[18:56] <ior3k> I'm not sure what your reasons for sticking with gnome-session-fallback are
[18:57] <ior3k> but if you haven't already, do try unity
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: I did
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> for a few days
[18:57] <bjsnider> so it would be better to get used to one of the advanced ones, ie. unity or gnome-shell, now
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> and have another laptop with it
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> I just can use it
[18:57] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: what don't you like about it?
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> it auto hides, it merges windows, not app bar visible
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> BLERG
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> it's not ranting
[18:58] <ior3k> not sure what you mean by merging windows, but you can make the launcher be always visible
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> its just I like many things of gnome 2
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: when you alt tab between them
[18:58] <bjsnider> there are extensions to make gnome-shell operate more like gnome 2
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> if you have two browser open, it shows only one, then expands on mouse over or timeouts
[18:58] <BluesKaj> well, so far kde is more stable on 12.04 than 11.10 on my setup at least ...had a small freeze yestrday but otherwise the desktop seems ok
[18:58] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: you can disable the unity switcher
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> and requires mouse to pick one
[18:58] <ior3k> I'm using compiz's static switcher
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> I hate mice!
[18:58] <ior3k> and I don't even touch the mouse
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: ill try that
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> it's my main complain
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> the other is the auto hide
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> I have enough screen space
[18:59] <ior3k> auto hide of the launcher?
[18:59] <ior3k> you can disable that too
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> where?
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> AFAIK we couldn't
[19:00] <FernandoMiguel> if I can work those too, I might give it a go, again
[19:00] <ior3k>  in ccsm -> unity -> behaviour -> hide launcher -> never
[19:00] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, there are extensions to bring back the bottom panel, add the menus, add the workspace switcher, etc. for gnome-shell. this makes it look and behave quite a lot like gnome 2
[19:00]  * BluesKaj wonders what's so wonderful about keyboard only use .
[19:01] <ior3k> BluesKaj: personal preference, that's actually something that's wonderful about mankind: diversity ;)
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: I haven't used the gnome-menus ever since I started using gnome-do
[19:02] <BluesKaj> mankind , diversity ?..wow ..it's just abloody mouse :)
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> around 7.10
[19:02] <bjsnider> then i don't see what the problem is
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: carpel tunel
[19:03] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, then a KB is probly worse
[19:03] <aj00200> FernandoMiguel: actually, research shows that computer usage isn't associated with carpel tunel
[19:03] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOL
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> aj00200: would love to read that
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: depends on how you use it
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> I rest my palms a lot
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> but mouse is way more repetitive
[19:04] <aj00200> FernandoMiguel: I wish I had it but I was told that by a personal friend who happens to be a hand-specialized doctor
[19:04] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, bah humbug ...
[19:05] <BluesKaj> depends on how you use it ? that's a cop-out if i ever heard one
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> shame... spent 2h making sure compiz was just how I like it
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> and now ill have to redo everything on unity
[19:07] <FernandoMiguel> is there a even dev version of unity ?
[19:07] <FernandoMiguel> running stable isn't for me
[19:24] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/155923
[19:27] <FernandoMiguel> RH? lol
[19:28] <FernandoMiguel> ok, putting WM question asside
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> anyone here has any expertise in power management?
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> it's a shame to see a 9h+ battery last <3h :(
[19:29] <bjsnider> at least it's getting a workout
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> what is ?
[19:32] <bjsnider> this might be a temporary thing because i think there are new patches for the kernel to make it handle power more like the windows kernel
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> humm 3.2 ?
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> Linux Bostro 3.1.0-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 29 00:48:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> wasn't 3.2 uploaded ?
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel>  I've been running i7z to see how the CPU handles it
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> but it seems to be doing it's job well
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> I have no idea where all the energy is going
[19:36] <FernandoMiguel> that and why bright always defaults to max on any power change.... even if its set to be at 50% :\
[19:37] <bjsnider> the patch was introduced and applied to linux-next on the 11th
[19:38] <bjsnider> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> let me grab a kernel from the PPA then
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> humm they are all for oneiric
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> daily has it
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> Matthew Garrett (2):       The Windows driver .inf disables ASPM on all cciss devices. Do the same.       [SCSI] hpsa: Disable ASPM
[19:45] <FernandoMiguel> rebooting to kernel 3.2.0-999
[19:49] <bjsnider> cool
[19:49] <bjsnider> i'd like to know how well it works myself
[19:51] <FernandoMiguel> will do
[19:51] <FernandoMiguel> and
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel> thanks. really, thanks a lot! you guys (and you know who you are) are the thing that keep me in Ubuntu
[19:56] <FernandoMiguel> time my reboot :)
[19:59] <FernandoMiguel> no wifi with this kernel
[19:59] <FernandoMiguel> FAIL
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> and got hit by the terrible password popup bug :\ need to file that, but no idea where
[20:01] <FernandoMiguel> open anything that wants to unlock the keychain, and run something that will put a popup, like gnome-do
[20:01] <FernandoMiguel> the screen locks
[20:03] <FernandoMiguel> without wifi I'm sure it saves battery :P
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892855
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson:  hope that's good
[20:14] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892857
[20:19] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: the only package that might actually need porting in that list is v4l-utils if it hasn't been converted to multiarch yet.  otherwise, dpkg just needs to be a little smarter about -i installs to pull in deps
[20:20] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: also, you should just install the 32 bit version since the 64 bit version is just a wrapper
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: if I use the 32bits version, chrome won't "see" it
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> stupid question (I deserve it too): how do I use apt-get to install local files, as I do with dpkg ?
[20:32] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: I'm not sure how to make apt-get install local files, in the past I've done dpkg -i, then run aptitude, but there's probably a better way
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> so I'm not doing the right way, but there isn't a better way :)
[20:35] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: so, nspluginwrapper doesn't work on chrome plugins?
[20:35]  * micahg guesses not
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: I don't think I have that installed
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> nspluginwrapper:
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: (none)
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel>   Candidate: 1.4.4-0ubuntu3
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/744705/
[21:00] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: you can try installing those packages manually
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> both 32 and 64bits packages don't work
[21:00] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: it still might not work though
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> grabbing some food, back to older kernel, and testing unity
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> bbl
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> running the risk of none ever talking to me:
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> using Unity + Compiz!
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> and it works for me! (assuming compiz doesn't crash a lot, which it does)
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> got the launcher stuck there... still no way to start compiz without it crashing
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> it has the nasty habit of reseting settings, so I lost all changes I had since I moved to unity
[21:54] <FernandoMiguel> pum... one more.... meh
[22:06] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: please stop reporting bugs based on the output of 'dpkg -i' - as Steve says, it's useless
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[22:06] <cjwatson> I thought I'd made that clear earlier.  dpkg does NOT resolve dependencies
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> then how do I install this debs?
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> it's the only way I know
[22:06] <cjwatson> install it from a repository using apt-get
[22:06] <cjwatson> presumably you downloaded it from somewhere
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> I've installed all  other depencies I could
[22:06] <cjwatson> failing that, gdebi may work
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> but still hitting ia32
[22:07] <cjwatson> sure, that's not my point
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> it's a download deb.. not repo
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> talk.google.com
[22:07] <cjwatson> my point is that the output of dpkg -i saying unresolved dependencies does not constitute a bug report
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: does this ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/744771/
[22:08] <cjwatson> no, it does not
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> let me try gdebi
[22:08] <cjwatson> gdebi can be used to install local debs resolving dependencies; I'm not certain about its status with respect to multiarch
[22:08] <micahg> perhaps software center can now install debs as well?
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> who do I fire it up with a deb?
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> double click?
[22:09] <cjwatson> 'gdebi whatever.deb'
[22:09] <bjsnider> software center handles debs now
[22:09] <bjsnider> that shuld launch if you doulbe-click one
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel>  sudo gdebi google-talkplugin_current_amd64.deb
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> This package is uninstallable
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> Cannot install 'ia32-libs'
[22:09]  * FernandoMiguel head desk
[22:10] <cjwatson> right.  I didn't say it would work, but at least now the output is less misleading
[22:10] <cjwatson> that demonstrates that the eglibc and gcc-4.6 tasks you created are invalid
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> so we depreceate ia32 for multiarch before MA being ready
[22:10] <cjwatson> no!
[22:10] <bjsnider> that package is uninstallable on precise at the moment
[22:11] <cjwatson> it looks like this is actually a rare case where it's a problem with the third-party package, judging from what Steve said to you in the bug report, so I have to take back what I said earlier as Steve is the expert on this
[22:11] <cjwatson> but we only deprecated ia32-libs once multiarch was in general ready to replace it; there are certainly going to be a few cases where it doesn't quite work yet
[22:11] <FernandoMiguel> can we ping steve here and try to reach a concence ?
[22:11] <cjwatson> you can try although I think he's on holiday
[22:12] <micahg> there was a request to file bugs for libraries that still need to be multiarched
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> okay, what can I do now?
[22:12] <cjwatson> micahg: right, but nothing of what FernandoMiguel has reported indicates that
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> wanna stop filling useless bug
[22:12] <micahg> right
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> but wanna see this fixed as soon as possible
[22:12] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: leave your most recent bug alone for now and let's let Steve have an opportunity to respond to it
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> I will
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> should I add the gdebi output ?
[22:13] <cjwatson> perhaps, although the dependency on ia32-libs is fairly damning in itself :)
[22:13] <cjwatson> I just wanted to stem the flow of reports with dpkg output
[22:14]  * cjwatson goes back to attempting to deal with the handful of issues blocking a multiarch crossgrade of my laptop
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/892857/comments/2
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: should I file a bug for the daily kernel not supporting my wifi card?
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> archive 3.2 works fine.... using it right now
[22:15] <lan3y> is this the place to ask about a gpu issue? im running 12.04 and no one is replying in main channel
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> lan3y: it's the prefered, yes
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> or #ubuntu-x on week days.... but they will ignore you the same
[22:16] <cjwatson> well, uh, the real GPU experts are on #ubuntu-x not here
[22:16] <lan3y> i have one of those silly hybrid setups with intel hd/ati radeon, need some help with it
[22:17] <lan3y> ok ill go there :D
[22:17] <cjwatson> patience is always a virtue of course
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> lan3y: as in turnin one off?
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> don't bother
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> use the pulso util
[22:18] <lan3y> i'd just like to run the radeon all the time
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> ahahaha
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> you are just crazy
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> but you can
[22:20] <lan3y> at the moment i just have xorg-server-video-ati installed and hoping for the best
[22:22] <lan3y> but anyways that can wait, anything you guys need help with testing?
[22:22] <FernandoMiguel> humm can't find the link lan3y
[22:22] <bjsnider> lan3y, do you have a switch to turn off one of the chips?
[22:23] <lan3y> closest to a switch is in bios the option for "intel" or both
[22:23] <bjsnider> you cannot run radeon all the time then
[22:23] <bjsnider> you can run intel all the time
[22:23] <bjsnider> which is probably what you should do
[22:24] <lan3y> ok, back in a min, going to change the bios setting
[22:25] <bjsnider> i'm sure linux will have good hybrid support in about 13 years
[22:25] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOLOL
[22:27] <lan3y> sorted
[22:28] <lan3y> not on switch-able anymore so shouldn't confuse ubuntu
[22:28] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, I think whatever hybrid support they're working on now will be deprecated in 13 years
[22:29] <bjsnider> i'm just being pessimistic because we still have to solve the 6000 other graphics problems on linux first
[22:31] <lan3y> made the laptop cooler running single gpu anyways
[22:31] <bjsnider> i'm also conflating xrg problem and mesa/opengl problems, but it's all rock n roll to me
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> reply from Steve: The package will continue to exist in precise, but is being restructured as
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> is currently not installable. You can still install ia32-libs in 11.10.
[22:36] <lan3y> what's this for?
[22:37] <FernandoMiguel> lan3y: my ia32libs bug
[22:37] <lan3y> ah ok


[07:48] <RikMills> tarzeau: ansible synced
[07:49] <tarzeau> RikMills: cool thanks!
[13:11] <tarzeau> $ chromium-browser
[13:11] <tarzeau> cannot open path of the current working directory: Permission denied
[13:11] <tarzeau> damn snap


[01:02] <sentinel-prime> roaksoax as far as i can tell it still isn't working it keeps hanging on reached tagetcloud-init target
[02:37] <sentinel-prime> roaksoax as far as i can tell it still isn't working it keeps hanging on reached tagetcloud-init target
[02:52] <sentinel-prime> also it has troble geting files from the internet
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1771456 changed: [2.4, UI] Normal users can see IP addresses assigned to other users or MAAS <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1771456>


[09:20] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Groovy Daily] (20200504.1) has been added
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:26] <RikMills> mamarley: 5.70.0 should be in staging now. hopefully konsole is not crashy with that one!
[13:27] <mamarley> RikMills: Awesome, thanks!  I'll get that PPA switched over to Groovy and update right away!
[13:34] <mamarley> RikMills: Nope, still crashes.  I'll update the bug report.
[13:37] <RikMills> mamarley: konsole 20.04?
[13:38] <mamarley> Yep, from -proposed.
[13:41] <RikMills> :/
[13:47] <RikMills> mamarley: yep. konsole 19.12 does not crash with 5.70, 20.04 does
[13:54] <RikMills> I wonder if it crashes if konsole is built with 5.70
[14:11]  * RikMills rebuilds
[14:16] <RikMills> mamarley: konsole 20.04 rebuild against 5.70 seems to work
[14:16] <RikMills> I'll put this in the staging frameworks ppa
[14:17] <mamarley> Kool, thanks!
[14:17] <RikMills> not idea to have to do that, but I will ship that rebuild with 5.70 if they don't do a better fix
[14:17] <RikMills> *not ideal
[16:43] <mparillo> I just installed GG to a fresh VM. Discover showed some updates available. Sure enough, KDE Apps 20.04 are landing. Thanks RikMills
[16:43] <RikMills> :)
[16:43] <RikMills> Not PIM yet
[16:44] <mparillo> Never noticed the lack of PIM. Never complained about it either.
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[06:01] <Kilos> morning maiatoday
[06:10] <Kilos> hi Squirm and other  early birds too
[06:11] <Squirm> morning
[06:38] <Kilos> hi henkj
[06:42] <inetpro> good morning Kilos and others
[06:44] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:46] <superfly> morning Kilos, inetpro, Squirm
[06:46] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[06:47] <Kilos> sorry didnt see you return from away
[06:56] <Squirm> hey superfly, inetpro, henkj
[06:56] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[06:56] <Maaz> Squirm: There isn't a pot on
[06:56] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee con
[06:56] <Maaz> Squirm: Huh?
[06:56] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[06:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:56] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[06:56] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[06:56] <Squirm> woop
[07:00] <Kilos> hehe
[07:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[07:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[07:01] <Kilos> whew just in time
[07:01] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[07:01] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[07:02] <Kilos> lo Vince-0
[07:02] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[07:03] <Vince-0> Lekka dag, feels like I'm working for the weekend
[07:03] <Vince-0> may as well be in Jo'burg
[07:04] <Kilos> getting cold up here now
[07:06] <henkj> morning Kilos Squirm
[07:15] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:20] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[07:20] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> ohi tonberryE352
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Jabberwocky_
[07:25] <Jabberwocky_> good morning Kilos :)
[07:26] <magespawn> hey Jabberwocky_
[07:26] <Jabberwocky_> hi magespawn
[07:27] <superfly> Twas brillig...!
[07:27] <superfly> hi Jabberwocky_
[07:28] <Kilos> lol
[07:28] <magespawn> hey supefly
[07:28] <magespawn> hey superfly
[07:28]  * Jabberwocky_ puts on his "bergie gloves" (type speed improved by 15)
[07:28] <Jabberwocky_> hi superfly
[07:30] <superfly> Jabberwocky_: I need to find mine
[07:31] <magespawn> we are at a chilly 23 today, kids wearing jackets and shoes, voluntarily
[07:31] <Kilos> yip weatherman says 22 here
[07:32] <Jabberwocky_> 16 atm, 22 max
[07:42]  * Kilos wishes it would rain lots here
[08:17] <Kilos> hi hubx
[08:23] <Kilos> hmm... scared him away
[12:05] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/75289-google-catches-couple-having-road-side-sex.html
[12:05] <Squirm> brilliant
[12:10] <Squirm> sorry
[12:10] <Squirm> don'y know if some people would deem that sfw
[12:10] <Squirm> usually mybb doesn't have images like that
[12:13] <magespawn> thats is their 15 minutes about used up
[12:26] <magespawn> looks like tesla has it in the bag
[12:43] <Kilos> ya he was too far ahead magespawn
[12:44] <Kilos> but being second only to tesla isnt a shame
[12:50] <Kilos-> ai!
[13:08] <not_found> phew, started to write a blog about all the open source applications I use in Windows... didn't realize how many it was and now I am just getting tired :p
[13:08] <not_found> oh and hello all
[13:09] <Kilos> hi not_found
[13:09] <not_found> how are you uncle Kilos ?
[13:09] <Kilos> good ty not_found and you?
[13:09] <not_found> ok... had a nice few days off...
[13:11]  * not_found goes back to practice a few chords... first day of practicing guitar and my fingers are ouchy....
[13:11] <not_found> bbl
[13:19] <Kilos> lol
[13:19] <not_found> aaarrggghhh
[13:19] <not_found> no more... so sore :/
[13:19] <not_found> do this again tomorrow :)
[13:21] <not_found> ah windows... reboot bbl
[14:23] <Squirm> nuvolari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-ZBRMJX8Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOHvCCRtnk
[14:23] <Squirm> quadcopter
[14:23] <Squirm> internet is too slow to upload anything of quality
[14:24] <Squirm> I have a 15min flip with the camera attached. Though it's like 1.5Gb of HD video. Even in 240p it'll take an age to upload
[14:34] <magespawn> Squirm: would something like dropbox or ubuntu one work better?
[14:46] <magespawn> the one with the phone on is very cool, sounds like a real helicopter when it takes off
[14:54] <magespawn> later all
[17:27] <Kilos> evening you chatty bunch
[17:27] <Cantide> :p
[17:27] <Kilos> yo Cantide Vince-0
[17:28] <Cantide> hey~
[17:28] <Kilos> you peeps watch to many movies
[17:28] <Kilos> just like the yanks hey this and hey that
[17:28] <Cantide> hahahah
[17:29] <Cantide> and yet you said "yo" and thought nothing of it :p
[17:29] <Cantide> yo yo yo, Kilos '<
[17:29] <Cantide> is that okay?'-'
[17:29] <Kilos> is thåt a yank thing too
[17:29] <Kilos> wow look at that a
[17:29] <Kilos> wonder what happened there
[17:30] <Vince-0> haai hi
[17:30] <Kilos> hey is a favourite of magespawn s too
[17:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:30] <Vince-0> yeah, yar yar-nee
[17:31] <Kilos> at least the fly and inetpro say hi or morning or evening
[17:31] <Vince-0> zaffers say hey, canadians say ey
[17:31] <Kilos> what are zaffers
[17:31] <Cantide> Goeie dag, oom Kilos '-'/
[17:31] <Cantide> wat van dit?
[17:31] <Kilos> dag boetie
[17:31] <Vince-0> see blood diamond? leo does a bad ZA accent
[17:31] <Kilos> lol
[17:31] <Vince-0> but he nails the heys
[17:32] <Cantide> i thought he did okay :)
[17:32] <Kilos> oh i think i saw that last year
[17:33] <Vince-0> good movie
[17:33] <Kilos> cant remember anymore
[17:34] <Kilos> has the pro fixed maaz yet?
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz: weather in pretoria
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm not feeling too well
[17:34] <Kilos> we need some cyber cortizone for the poor bot. he is forever sick
[17:35] <Vince-0> Maaz: make install
[17:35] <Maaz> Vince-0: What?
[17:36] <Kilos> they dont understand that
[17:36] <Kilos> even QA says huh
[17:36] <Kilos> and she be a mod bot
[18:29] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[18:30] <Kilos> wb superfly
[18:34] <smile4ever> hi, have to go
[18:34] <smile4ever> bye
[18:34] <smile4ever> :)
[18:34] <Cantide> o_o
[18:34] <Cantide> hibye~
[18:35] <Kilos> sleep tight Cantide
[18:35] <Kilos> oh smile left
[18:38] <Kilos> maybe i should go sleep
[18:38] <Cantide> i'm having coffee first '-'
[18:38] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[18:39] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow
[18:39] <Kilos> dont forget meeting monday night
[19:18] <inetpro> tumbleweed: please do the release thing for ibid so Kilos can be happy
[19:20] <inetpro> or cocooncrash please upgrade your bot to the latest version available on PPA
[19:43] <Squirm> I think it may be almost bed time
[19:55] <Squirm> night people
[20:03] <Cantide> night Squirm >.<
[21:40] <aprez> hello hello


[00:54] <tritium> woowoo: yes, we're having our second (a boy) soon.  Due date is 3/1.
[00:59] <mneptok> oooo! congrats!
[01:11] <woowoo> congrats!
[06:18] <tritium> Thanks!  :)


[06:18] <Alabaster> hello if anyone is awake
[06:34] <flocculant> Alabaster: if you're after support then you need #ubuntu
[06:34] <flocculant> and hello ;)
[07:35] <didrocks> good morning
[07:36] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[07:46] <Laney> hey hey!
[07:49] <didrocks> hey Laney ;)
[07:50] <Laney> hey didrocks :'(
[07:50] <Laney> hugs
[07:50] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:57] <darkxst> hey seb128, Laney
[07:57] <seb128> hey Tim
[08:04] <darkxst> seb128, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gnome-shell-search-providers/4322
[08:07] <seb128> darkxst, thanks for raising that up, we don't plan to snap much of the things you listed
[08:08] <seb128> calculator is interesting, need to think what we do, if we want that feature in the dash and how useful it is
[08:08] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ one more issue of you want to snap gnome-software
[08:09] <kenvandine> seb128, darkxst: yeah, i saw that
[08:09] <darkxst> calculator is one of those thing you have no idea how many people have discovered
[08:10] <seb128> I didn't for sure
[08:16] <darkxst> seb128, it was added way back, while you guys were in unity land
[08:16] <darkxst> Overview of changes in gnome-calculator 3.13.3
[08:16] <darkxst> * New : Calculator search provider (Michael Catanzaro)
[08:18] <seb128> right, I mean as an user I never saw it used or knew you could that in GNOME
[08:19] <darkxst> yes, and probably there are 1000's of GNOME users that don't know either
[08:23] <darkxst> but it certainly becomes a big issue if you snap any of the more common ones
[08:23] <darkxst> things like nautilus or software etc
[08:26] <seb128> yeah, not this cycle, except maybe gnome-software so we need to look at this one
[08:29] <darkxst> ok
[08:47] <Nafallo> salut
[08:50] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[08:51] <seb128> hey Nafallo ricotz, how are you?
[08:51] <ricotz> darkxst, jbicha, hi, looks like gnome-session 3.27.91-0ubuntu1 is a bit broken and some binary packages are empty
[08:52] <ricotz> seb128, heya, I am good, I hope you too?
[08:52] <seb128> ricotz, I am, thanks :)
[08:53] <seb128> ricotz, can you open a bug and tag it block-proposed?
[08:54] <ricotz> I assume a simple install-test is already performed before letting it transitioned?
[08:54] <ricotz> which fails in postinst due to the missing files
[08:54] <seb128> bug #1753403 I guess
[08:54] <ubot5`> bug 1753403 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "package gnome-session-bin 3.27.91-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: installed gnome-session-bin package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753403
[08:54] <kenvandine> Trevinho, https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/taskcluster/docker/firefox-snap/snapcraft.yaml.in#72
[08:55] <seb128> tagged that one
[08:55] <Trevinho> kenvandine: thanks
[08:55] <kenvandine> you can ignore the part that installs mime-handler.xml
[08:55] <kenvandine> but the rest of that
[08:55] <seb128> ricotz, but yeah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:55] <Trevinho> kenvandine: ahhhh... actully it was something I was experimenting too without having seen it. I think the same could be done for icon caches too, since they should not mention paths.
[08:56] <darkxst> ricotz, it was working fine on gnome3-staging
[08:56] <ricotz> darkxst, with the meson changes?
[08:56] <darkxst> yes
[08:57] <Trevinho> kenvandine: also there's a problem with that when multiple parts depend on icons or other stuff (like when you reuse a deb package depending on that desktop stuff, as it wil bring it in its part, then this thing should be replicated
[08:57] <Trevinho> or... maybe build-attributes: [no-system-libraries] would avoid that?
[08:58] <ricotz> darkxst, I see, please take a look, there are a lot of dh_missing warnings
[08:59] <ricotz> would be good to use --fail-missing
[09:02] <darkxst> ricotz, yes will look
[09:04] <seb128> the ppa build has the same issue https://launchpadlibrarian.net/359306064/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.gnome-session_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0~bionic3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:05] <seb128> or less, hum
[09:13] <Trevinho> desktoppers: see https://gitlab.gnome.org/3v1n0/nautilus/commits/ubuntu-3-26
[09:22] <seb128> that gnome-session build is weird
[09:40] <darkxst> seb128, ricotz, not too sure what is going on the files are there in the sbuild chroot but can't be found?
[09:40] <seb128> they are not getting installed by dh_install
[09:46] <ricotz> darkxst, having override_dh_install without calling dh_install inside it seems weird
[09:50] <ricotz> darkxst, replacing "dh_install --list-missing" with just "dh_missing --list-missing" is not same thing
[09:51] <seb128> yeah, that seems screwed
[09:51] <seb128> override_dh_install:
[09:51] <seb128> 	dh_missing --list-missing
[09:51] <seb128> 	dh_migrations
[09:51] <darkxst> ricotz, right, not sure how that happened
[09:52] <seb128> and that's diff between ppa and upload to the archive
[09:54] <darkxst> oh crap, let me finish dinner and then I will fix it ;)
[10:36] <seb128> kenvandine, the deb does "[pid 23964] open("/usr/share/locale/fr_FR/LC_MESSAGES/gtk30.mo", O_RDONLY <unfinished ...>"
[10:37] <kenvandine> oh
[10:37] <kenvandine> fr_FR
[10:37] <seb128> it tries fr as well
[10:58] <seb128> jbicha, seems like the webkit update made deja-dup not happy
[10:58] <seb128> bug #1752950
[10:58] <ubot5`> bug 1752950 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "deja-dup-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_once_slow()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752950
[11:01] <darkxst> I reverted the dh_missing brain fade, but still failing to build
[11:02] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, willcooke, hum, another (less important) issue with GNOME snaps, the "help" isn't working since it can't open the viewer
[11:02] <seb128> or help: url aren't handled by xdg-open-snap
[11:04] <darkxst> I will sort it out tomorrow
[11:20] <jibel> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/casper/disable_snapd_refresh_timer/+merge/340739
[11:21] <Laney> thx
[11:26] <Nafallo> hmm. is there an easy way to test that graphics driver are in full speed mode on 16.04 Unity desktop? :-)
[11:29] <sarnold> I've used glxgears for that in the past but I don't know if it is still reasonable :)
[11:29] <Nafallo> /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[11:29] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:32] <jbicha> seb128: btw, GNOME Characters has a GNOME Shell search provider too (search for an emoji, click on the result and it puts the emoji in your clipboard so you can paste it somewhere)
[11:33] <seb128> jbicha, that doesn't sound like useful/anything an user would do
[11:33] <seb128> was this a workaround from the time gtk didn't have a picker?
[11:33] <jbicha> some users use it…
[11:34] <seb128> rrright
[11:34] <seb128> some users rely also on sitting on spacebar to heat your hands :)
[11:35] <jbicha> ok, I'm suggesting we don't switch any other apps to snaps that have a gnome-shell search provider
[11:35] <Laney> 💩
[11:35] <seb128> I'm suggesting we make those work
[11:35] <jbicha> on the other hand, I expect snaps to be updated a lot more frequently so maybe it's not that big of a deal since this sounds fixable
[11:36] <jbicha> btw, also LP: #1753146
[11:36] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1753146 in gnome-characters (Ubuntu) "Characters Snap doesn't have color emoji" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753146
[11:38] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ one for you, might autoresolve when we rebuild our snaps on core 18
[11:38] <seb128> kenvandine, seems to be because it was build an older cairo version
[11:38] <kenvandine> hmm
[11:38] <kenvandine> maybe i need a newer cairo in the ppa
[11:39] <jbicha> maybe, that was my guess at least
[11:39] <kenvandine> it sounds plausible
[11:39] <kenvandine> i'll investigate
[11:39] <kenvandine> but i really just want to get all this stuff rebuilt against 18.04
[11:39] <kenvandine> need to nag folks about that this week
[11:40] <seb128> right
[11:40] <seb128> jbicha, but thanks for pointing out the search issue, we are going to see what we can do about that
[11:40] <seb128> but for now lunch
[11:40] <seb128> bbl
[13:33] <andyrock> robert_ancell: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/25/pipelines
[13:42] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/commit/?id=77ff1d9
[13:43] <robert_ancell> andyrock, looks like the CI system failed
[13:43] <andyrock> yeah it failed with docker
[13:43] <andyrock> not sure why
[13:43] <andyrock> robert_ancell: ^^^
[13:59] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-6.0.2/bionic/0ubuntu1/
[14:31] <jbicha> the deja-dup issue is probably webkit's fault, I pointed it out to mcatanzaro but we're waiting for the retracer to process the bug
[14:33] <andyrock> robert_ancell: one more https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/26
[14:34] <andyrock> sorry about that... I didn't notice before
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/358386915/Stacktrace.txt ?
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, 1751460 seems to be the same one?
[14:34] <seb128> (that stacktrace comes from that one)
[14:34] <seb128> flexiondotorg, ^
[14:35] <flexiondotorg> seb128: ack
[14:36] <jbicha> flexiondotorg: can we mark the others a duplicate of that one then?
[14:36] <jbicha> s/ can you
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, is there an upstream report for it?
[14:36] <jbicha> not yet
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, also the webkit agent, where is the fix commited?
[14:37] <jbicha> the useragnet fix is in Debian git, I commented on the bug with some more details
[14:38] <seb128> k, thanks
[14:38] <jbicha> we're expecting 2.19.92 this week so unless you wanted it sooner, I was just going to wait and sync it then
[14:38] <seb128> that sounds good
[14:38] <seb128> jbicha, also https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/1cb4cac20da28ca548347a91c680a944708c65ed seems a new error
[14:39] <seb128> while you are talking to upstream about segfaults&such :)
[14:41] <jbicha> errors is a bit of pain because you have to try to dig for clues as to what is happening and you can't ask the user for more details
[14:41] <jbicha> it's also a pain to share upstream
[14:43] <seb128> well sometime the stacktrace speaks for itself
[14:43] <seb128> but yeah, it's best when there is a corresponding launchpad report
[14:45] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, seb128: Added a comment with my view about installation of language packs:
[14:45] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1727710/comments/15
[14:45] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1727710 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Unable to access more than 20 languages in 1080p" [High,In progress]
[14:45] <GunnarHj> I hope you can pay a bit attention to this soon. ;)
[14:47] <seb128> let's see if we can pick that up a bit this week
[14:47] <seb128> I still don't understand what is needed to fix it properly and what is doable this cycle
[14:47] <seb128> or what workaround we can use
[14:53] <robert_ancell> andyrock, can you rebase
[15:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll try to be patient a few more days.
[15:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: A simpler question: Should we drop the translation template for Synaptic from LP? (bug #1701170)
[15:14] <ubot5`> bug 1701170 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "missing closing b tag in german translation of downgrade action label" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701170
[15:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, or use X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpacks
[15:18] <seb128> same discussion as for fcitx
[15:18] <seb128> either way wfm
[15:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, I would keep langpack enabled, easier to fix issues for translators
[15:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah. And people tend to still like Synaptic, even if it was put to universe. So let's add X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpacks.
[15:22] <jbicha> GunnarHj: it looks like https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-evolution/unstable/evolution/debian/control?view=markup by the way
[15:22] <jbicha> line 11
[15:25] <flexiondotorg> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/more-minimal/+merge/340759
[15:25] <seb128> flexiondotorg, thx
[15:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks, I knew. ;)
[15:33] <jbicha> oh, oops
[15:33] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/2.19.91-1ubuntu2~bionic1.5.1 meant to go into a ppa, thus the funny version number
[15:42] <mgedmin> when I run /usr/bin/gtimelog from the .deb I get this error on startup:
[15:42] <mgedmin> (gtimelog:17630): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not load image 'gtimelog.png': Nepavyko atverti failo „/usr/share/gtimelog/gtimelog.png“: No such file or directory
[15:43] <mgedmin> and if you go to the app-menu (Super+F10 in gnome-shell) and choose About, you see a broken icon
[15:43] <mgedmin> also, hitting <F1> shows yelp with an error about URI help:gtimelog/index not matching any pages (I'm translating from lt_LT, original English phrasing might differ)
[15:47] <mgedmin> actually I get the first problem with git master as well
[15:48] <mgedmin> apparently I was relying on gtimelog.png being installed somewhere system-wide by the older .deb package I had installed
[15:49] <mgedmin> wait, no, that's not it
[15:49] <mgedmin> oops I was testing the ppa branch rather than master
[15:50] <mgedmin> master works fine
[15:56] <didrocks> xnox: small question, is scripts/plugininstall.py always ran in the same process than the frontend or it's another process? It seems to be like a script, but I see it imported and not executed, hence this question…
[15:57] <xnox> didrocks, i believe "both"
[15:57] <xnox> is the most correct answer
[15:57] <didrocks> interesting…
[15:57] <didrocks> sounds like thus the telemetry should be more attached to the frontend, as we have other data to collect, and not only "install time" ones
[15:57] <xnox> there is one running in ubiquity (i.e. the live-installer side of things) and i believe another one is launched, in-target / chrooted into target, before ubiquity is uninstalled from target....
[15:58] <xnox> didrocks, oem-config-gtk mode is also a thing.....
[15:59] <didrocks> xnox: oem-config-gtk is running plugininstall as well?
[15:59] <xnox> didrocks, i think so....
[15:59] <didrocks> I thought that was the second step thing
[15:59] <xnox> didrocks, oem-config-gtk is one more ubiquity frontend. it's not a separate thing in fact, it's just a subset of plugins/pages.
[15:59] <xnox> ie. no need to partition
[16:00] <xnox> but do need keyboard/language/wifi/user....
[16:00] <didrocks> I saw 4 frontends
[16:00] <didrocks> gtk/qt/debconf_ui/noninteractive
[16:02] <didrocks> it seems -config is really the second step thing
[16:02] <didrocks> and the install is done with noninteractive first
[16:02] <didrocks> from the code
[16:02] <didrocks> willcooke: I think telemetry vs oem installs have been discussed with Dustin, what was the thinking on this?
[16:06] <mgedmin> welp I've been talking in the wrong channel today, sorry everyone!
[16:11] <willcooke> didrocks, sorry, just out of a meeting, reading
[18:01] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Did you notice bug #1753136?
[18:01] <ubot5`> bug 1753136 in libgweather (Ubuntu) "Gettext package inconsistency" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753136
[18:01] <jbicha> yes, you said "let's wait for an upstream release" :)
[18:03] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I said "possibly". Would be bad if we shipped libgweather in 18.04 with that bug.
[18:04] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I trust that you know the best way to deal with it.
[18:04]  * jbicha giggles
[18:05] <jbicha> GunnarHj: have you done gitlab merge requests before? could you convert it into one here?
[18:05] <jbicha> GunnarHj: never mind, I can push it without that…
[18:05] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Unfortunately I have failed (multiple times) to create a gitlab.gnome.org account.
[18:06] <jbicha> could you file an issue for that? lol
[18:06] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Any idea where? It's kind of a moment 22.
[18:07] <jbicha> sorry for the bad joke. Could you ask in #sysadmin on irc.gnome.org ?
[18:08] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for the tip. Will do.
[18:08] <jbicha> https://wiki.gnome.org/Sysadmin/Contact
[18:08] <jbicha> maybe emailing accounts @ gnome.org would be better
[18:09] <GunnarHj> Ok.
[19:18] <jbicha> Laney: any chance you could do a packagekit 1.1.9 release? hughsie recommends it alongside gnome-software 3.27.92
[21:03] <Alabaster> I have a question if I may ask
[21:03] <Alabaster> ?
[21:03] <tjaalton> "don't ask to ask, just ask"
[21:04] <Alabaster> ha
[21:04] <Alabaster> Under permissions for home folder should Owner say literally the word "Me" in my main account or my username?
[21:04] <Alabaster> Sorry I'm a noob
[21:05] <Alabaster> and under Group a dropdown box with Group: Linux
[21:07] <jbicha> Alabaster: yes, it's supposed to say "Me" :)
[21:07] <Alabaster> Thanks jbicha


[04:28] <IdleOne> so I just read en email sent to the ubuntu-irc mailing list and I am a little concerned. it says that it is linked to freenode. "Currently we linked it to Freenodes authentication so that when you join you automatically have the permissions relevant to your moderation status, and so that we can limit users.." what worries me here is this just a way of harvesting user nicks and passwords?
[04:29] <IdleOne> http://tap.info/group/ubuntu
[04:30] <IdleOne> the site does not have a sign up link. so I assume it is asking for nickname and nickserv password in the login fields
[04:30]  * IdleOne might be overly paranoid here
[04:31] <rww> I think freenode might be unhappy about it too :\
[04:31] <rww> (and if you're overly paranoid, then so am I, because I took one look at it and closed the window when I notice dthat)
[04:33] <IdleOne> ok so, who do we take this to?
[04:35] <rww> I'm waiting for an ircop to speak in #freenode so I can PM them (can't be bothered /whoising until I find one that isn't idle). Replying to the ubuntu-irc email with your concerns would probably also be a good idea.
[04:35] <rww> (replying on-list, that is)
[04:36] <IdleOne> I just did
[04:40] <pleia2> I think you came off a bit harsh
[04:40] <IdleOne> I may have
[04:41] <IdleOne> but just seems very fishy to me and I felt that a harsh warning was warranted
[04:42] <pleia2> btw: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/16/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[04:43] <rww> Yeah, they were in #ubuntu-ops a few months ago, and I think it's a little bit more effort than the average phisher would put in, but the security implications are very concerning to me.
[04:43] <rww> a[C[C[Clthough sites like mibbit are theoretically just as problematic, so...
[04:44] <pleia2> yeah, I was just going to say that
[04:44] <pleia2> I mean, they did go through the trouble of handling it via a bug in launchpad, which is a step in the right direction
[04:44] <IdleOne> The idea itself seems interesting. I agree with rww on the security point
[04:44] <pleia2> I don't actually have an opinion on it
[04:46] <rww> pleia2: I think they were just referencing that bug. It's a general "#ubuntu is noisy" bug, not something they wrote, iirc.
[04:46] <pleia2> ah
[04:46] <pleia2> fair enough
[06:05] <elky> I get the feeling that it's kind of like that ssh key generator website. Likely perfectly genuine in intent, but holy crap absurd in terms of the security POV
[07:23] <bazhang> partnering with freenode? does freenode know about this?
[07:38] <elky> bazhang, in that they are storing users passwords. I'd imagine not.
[07:39] <bazhang> elky, interesting. he says a year or thereabouts, but it seems just a few months or so he was proposing this.
[07:40] <elky> bazhang, i get the feeling it was a floundering nothing that discovered a cause a few months ago
[07:41] <bazhang> sure seems that way
[11:09] <m4v> jrib most likely made the ban during that time when the bantracker was having hiccups last week, so the ban isn't in the bt. There might be more of those unrecorded bans unfortunately.
[11:09] <m4v> (saw jrib comment about the ban review in -ops log link)
[11:17] <m4v> yeah, looks like two more bans went unrecorded at least in #ubuntu, one from jpds and another from bazhang.
[11:17] <m4v> jpds, bazhang: so you're notified :)
[11:18] <jpds> Righto.
[11:21] <niko> the bot didn't synchro himself at reconnect ?
[11:30] <bazhang> m4v, thanks :)
[11:30] <m4v> niko: the db isn't, you can force a sync, but isn't useful at all imo (no logs get recovered)