[01:17] <Ubulette> pull the two or pull and merge ?
[01:25] <asac_> wow i got reconnected :(
[01:25] <Ubulette> asac, you lost me
[01:25] <asac_> sorry
[01:25] <Ubulette> pull the two or pull and merge ?
[01:26] <asac_> well there are probably multiple ways ... what i did is certainly not the best:
[01:26] <asac_> 00:53 < asac> mkdir firefox
[01:26] <asac_> 00:53 < asac> cd firefox
[01:26] <asac_> 00:53 < asac> git init-db
[01:26] <asac_> 00:53 < asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/firefox.git refs/heads/master:firefox
[01:26] <asac_> 00:54 < asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/video.git refs/heads/master:video
[01:26] <Ubulette> that I did
[01:26] <asac_> git checkout -f
[01:27] <asac_> (to clean the messed master branch)
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> git checkout video
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> git merge firefox
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> cd mozilla
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> autoconf2.13
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> cd ..
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> git add mozilla/configure
[01:27] <asac_> 01:04 < asac> git commit -m "merge latest firefox"
[01:27] <asac_> then you can diff as above
[01:29] <Ubulette> after co -f, you co video just there ??
[01:29] <asac_> yes ... i switch to the video branch
[01:29] <Ubulette> oooohhhhh
[01:29] <Ubulette> i see now
[01:29] <asac_> then i mege the firefox branch onto the video branch
[01:29] <asac_> actually you can leave this ... as apparently the repo is configured to merge automatically to master
[01:30] <asac_> so without checkout -f you probably just need
[01:30] <asac_> 1:25 < asac_> 01:04 < asac> cd mozilla
[01:30] <asac_> 01:25 < asac_> 01:04 < asac> autoconf2.13
[01:30] <asac_> 01:25 < asac_> 01:04 < asac> cd ..
[01:30] <asac_> 01:25 < asac_> 01:04 < asac> git add mozilla/configure
[01:30] <asac_> 01:25 < asac_> 01:04 < asac> git commit -m "merge latest firefox"
[01:30] <asac_> but then diff firefox..master
[01:30] <asac_> of course
[01:30] <Ubulette> the merge removed plenty of files
[01:30] <asac_> and leave the video branch alone
[01:31] <asac_> yes then they have been removed from firefox branch?
[01:31] <asac_> since the last merge he did?
[01:32] <asac_> are there any new files in that merge?
[01:33] <asac_> hmm a bit strange
[01:33] <asac_> maybe just go the second option
[01:33] <asac> the automerge on master doesn't do that
[01:35] <asac> but looks sane
[01:36] <asac> in firefox branch
[01:36] <asac> mozilla/gfx/src/os2
[01:36] <asac> is gone
[01:37] <asac> automerge on master is of course the other direction ... e.g. merge video on firefox ... but we want firefox on video :) ... so deleting those files is right
[01:38] <Ubulette> ok
[01:38] <Ubulette> thx
[01:38] <asac> i hate this automerge feature
[01:38] <asac> whatever that is
[01:39] <asac> i mean it does create a master branch even though i never told him to do that
[01:40] <asac> i think his workflow is:
[01:40] <asac> git clone git://double.co.nz/git/video.git
[01:40] <asac> then to merge just
[01:40] <asac> cd video
[01:40] <asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/firefox.git
[01:41] <asac> and resolve conflict on master branch
[01:45] <asac> yeah thats how he probably does it :) ... no idea though how he does the diff then
[02:05] <cwong1> asac: hi... fyi the menu comes up without the menubar now..
[02:10] <asac> cwong1: the same menu, but in a popup?
[02:11] <cwong1> asac: Yes, I simply put the whole thing in a menupopup.   I am working on the new layout.  However, there is one minor problem and that is I can make the menu popup at pos other than (0, 0).
[02:11] <cwong1> s/can/cannot/
[02:11] <asac> why?
[02:12] <asac> you certainly found the showPopup call, right?
[02:12] <cwong1> the hildon menu shows up at  x=20, y=0
[02:12] <cwong1> I tried setting the x and y and didn't work
[02:13] <cwong1> I also try the moveTo method and didn't work.
[02:13] <cwong1> Btw, Matt Z will send you 1 of the Samsung Q1 and You should get it in 1.5 wk
[02:14] <asac> k
[02:17] <cwong1> asac: By rearranging the menu item, things doesn't work quite right.  Does the position of the menu make any different?
[02:24] <asac> cwong1: i don't understand this question
[02:24] <asac> for the 0,0 coordinates ... maybe we have to provide an anchor
[02:24] <asac> element
[02:25] <asac> (currently its just null)
[02:25] <asac> 02:15 < cwong1> asac: By rearranging the menu item, things doesn't work quite right.
[02:25] <asac> any example?
[02:25] <asac> what you rearrange?
[02:25] <asac> and what is wrong then?
[02:26] <cwong1> I put the newNavigatorTab as the first element in my popup
[02:26] <cwong1> When I select that menu, a new tab window comes up.  I then go to the url bar and enter an url and the content shows up in the first tab not the new tab
[02:28] <asac> hmm
[02:28] <asac> does ctrl-t still work?
[02:28] <cwong1> I disabled that
[02:28] <asac> to open new tab instead of pressing the menu item?
[02:28] <cwong1> I'll put it back and see if that help.  I doubt it
[02:29] <asac> cwong1: can you please try small steps? e.g. just change the element ... if that works well remove key bindings et al?
[02:29] <asac> would be helpful to track down what breaks this
[02:29] <asac> cwong1: i don't think it will help
[02:29] <asac> cwong1: i just think that we should isolate the testcase
[02:29] <cwong1> ok
[02:29] <asac> cwong1: maybe its something completely unrelated
[02:30] <asac> e.g. first step ... move whole menu to popup ... verify if it still works ... then flip order ...still works ... and so on
[02:30] <cwong1> I will come up with a small test case and send to you.
[02:30] <cwong1> I did the first step and they worked
[02:31] <asac> cwong1: ok send me first step ... i will flip entries then and will see
[02:31] <asac> maybe try on your own :)
[02:31] <asac> i am now off ... sorry for being not bright but its really late here ;)
[02:31] <asac> @time berlin ;)
[02:31] <asac> @time berlin
[02:31] <Ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: September 13 2007, 02:31:56 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 11 hours 28 minutes
[02:32] <cwong1> Chat with u tomorrow then
[02:35] <asac> what timezone are you in?
[02:35] <asac> @time newyork
[02:35] <cwong1> pst
[02:35] <asac> http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/timezones.html
[02:35] <asac> @time America/Chicago
[02:35] <Ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: September 12 2007, 19:35:55 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 11 hours 24 minutes
[02:35] <asac> ?
[02:36] <asac> oh
[02:36] <asac> ost
[02:36] <asac> pst
[02:36] <asac> @time America/Los_Angeles
[02:36] <asac> ?
[02:36] <Ubotu> Current time in America/Los_Angeles: September 12 2007, 17:36:22 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 11 hours 23 minutes
[02:36] <cwong1> @time America/Los_anglees
[02:36] <asac> yeah ok
[02:36] <asac> i know then ;)
[02:37] <asac> @time
[02:37] <Ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 13 2007, 00:37:17 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 11 hours 22 minutes
[02:37] <asac> US/Pacific
[02:37] <asac> @time US/Pacific
[02:37] <Ubotu> Current time in US/Pacific: September 12 2007, 17:37:22 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 11 hours 22 minutes
[02:38] <asac> ok cu
[02:41] <mertiki> asac : are-you here?
[03:09] <TheMuso> asac: It also appears that helix-player also FTBFS on all arches, but for a different reason. I'm looking into that now.
[04:56] <TheMuso> asac: classpath merged from debian built successfully.
[08:01] <hjmf> I didn't know that I had that ammount of scripts until I've begun to fix them :)
[08:42] <fuoco> Ubulette: here ?
[09:40] <asac> hjmf: yeah :) ... i know what you mean :)
[09:41] <asac> TheMuso: thats good news.
[09:47] <Ubulette> fuoco ?
[10:18] <asac> bug 125187
[10:18] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 125187 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree never installs plugin due to md5sum mismatch (dup-of: 125986)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125187
[10:18] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 125986 in flashplugin-nonfree "[MASTER]  No flash after update of flashplugin-nonfree" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125986
[10:24] <fuoco> Ubulette: yeah, nothing much, i'm still building coz i had another dependency missing...
[10:24] <fuoco> :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: looks like your midbrowser changes to flash are borked
[12:47] <asac> yeah
[12:47] <asac> paran: there?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> update-alternatives errors
[12:48] <gnomefreak> i got pm last night about it
[12:48] <gnomefreak> the person is away atm
[12:49] <gnomefreak> let me see if i can pull up error (i closed his pm)
[12:49] <asac> i know about that error
[12:49] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ok i pmed him to let him know
[01:16] <asac> gnomefreak: ubuntu10 uploaded
[01:17] <asac> should fix a bunch of issues
[01:17] <gnomefreak> ff?
[01:21] <gnomefreak> or flash?
[01:30] <asac> flash
[01:31] <asac> gnomefreak: any idea how i can subscribe to package uploads in launchpad?
[01:31] <asac> e.g. without being the maintainer?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> asac: not off hand ill look wheni get home
[01:34] <gnomefreak> bbl dr app
[01:41] <asac> paran: because the last flashplugin was broken i had to upload now :) .. i included the --remove-all hack for now
[01:41] <asac> paran: maybe take a look
[01:41] <asac> paran: version is  <IP_ADDRESS>.0ubuntu10
[01:42] <asac> paran: sorry if that washs aways any work you already have done
[01:42] <asac> paran: we should now do proper testing and add the same thing to gnash i think ;)
[01:52] <paran> asac: no work, I was planning to do this after work today
[01:52] <paran> asac: did you include the fix to install the correct alternative on amd64?
[01:57] <gnomefreak> ok now  im gone ;)
[01:58] <bluekuja> asac: heya
[01:58] <bluekuja> news for those packages?
[01:59] <bluekuja> hjmf, you there?
[02:11] <bluekuja> asac: ping me when back
[02:27] <asac> bluekuja: yes TheMuso is working on classpath ... and wanted to look at helix as well
[02:28] <asac> paran: yes i hope flashplugin-nonfree is now fixed ;)
[02:28] <asac> paran: tests appreciated though
[02:28] <bluekuja> asac: need some infos
[02:28] <bluekuja> like need to change something in particular into dput.cf?
[02:29] <bluekuja> or is default ok?
[02:29] <asac> for what?
[02:29] <asac> to upload to ubuntu?
[02:29] <bluekuja> yup
[02:29] <asac> not that i know
[02:29] <asac> dput ubuntu package*source.changes
[02:29] <asac> should work
[02:29] <bluekuja> ok
[02:30] <asac> bluekuja: maybe sponsor the sunbird locales ;)
[02:30] <bluekuja> asac: yep, bug link?
[02:30] <bluekuja> asac: dont want to miss, if the previous version is 0.1.15-0ubuntu1
[02:30] <bluekuja> next will be
[02:30] <bluekuja> 0.1.15-0ubuntu2
[02:30] <bluekuja> I'm checking thousand times
[02:30] <bluekuja> everything
[02:31] <bluekuja> also easy stuff
[02:31] <bluekuja> lol
[02:31] <asac> yeah
[02:31] <bluekuja> I did an error on this
[02:31] <bluekuja> so checking
[02:31] <asac> bluekuja: if you build 0ubuntu1 you probably have to build with -S -sa
[02:31] <asac> so you forcefully include the orig.tar.gz
[02:31] <bluekuja> asac: I need to build 0.1.15-0ubuntu2
[02:31] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage with do that automatically only if version is -1 ... hasn't been adapted for ubuntu
[02:31] <asac> yeah ... thats -S -si ;)
[02:32] <asac> or just -S
[02:32] <asac> i guess
[02:32] <bluekuja> yup
[02:32] <asac> bug 130807
[02:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130807 in lightning-sunbird "sunbird langpacks doesn't exist yet" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130807
[02:34] <bluekuja> asac: is it new?
[02:35] <asac> yes ... look at revu
[02:35] <asac> it has an exception
[02:36] <bluekuja> asac: so can be uploaded also if it's on freeze?
[02:37] <asac> yes ... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=211
[02:37] <asac><EMAIL_ADDRESS>: "New package exception is approved. Also asac gave the package an upcheck."
[02:37] <bluekuja> asac: ok
[02:38] <bluekuja> I finish two things
[02:38] <bluekuja> and im there
[02:38] <asac> sure
[02:41] <TheMuso> asac: helix is beyond me... It FTBFS since at least feisty.
[02:42] <TheMuso> Its something C++ related, which I am not knowledgable enough to fix.
[02:51] <bluekuja> asac: I get a unknown-architecture lpia
[02:51] <bluekuja> on lintian
[02:51] <bluekuja> of course that arch is not on debian
[02:51] <bluekuja> can I leave it?
[02:52] <bluekuja> TheMuso, ?
[02:53] <TheMuso> bluekuja: helix-player doesn't build due to something wrong in the C++ source code.
[02:53] <bluekuja> TheMuso, nono
[02:54] <bluekuja> one of my packages
[02:54] <bluekuja> :)
[02:54] <bluekuja> I was just answering about lpia arch
[02:54] <TheMuso> bluekuja: Yes I'd leave it.
[02:55] <TheMuso> as Debian doesn't have lpia yet.
[02:55] <bluekuja> yup, I think it gonna be recognized
[02:55] <bluekuja> by lp
[02:55] <bluekuja> without problems
[02:55] <asac> TheMuso: ok thanks
[02:56] <asac> TheMuso: can you upload the classpath merge to revu?
[02:56] <asac> bluekuja: lpia is a new architecture ... so you can safely ignore lintian warnings
[02:57] <bluekuja> asac: ok thanks
[02:57] <asac> TheMuso: and open a FTBFS bug against classpath (if not yet submitted) ... so we can document UVFe exception for it
[02:59] <asac> bluekuja: where does lintian complain about lpia?
[02:59] <asac> bluekuja: do you list that architecture explicitly somewhere?
[02:59] <bluekuja> asac: at the end of debuid
[02:59] <bluekuja> *debuild
[02:59] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[02:59] <asac> in build logs?
[02:59] <asac> or on your local run?
[02:59] <bluekuja> asac: need to restrict archs on my ximp package
[02:59] <bluekuja> cause bad build system
[02:59] <bluekuja> asac: local run
[02:59] <bluekuja> of debuild
[03:00] <asac> bluekuja: lpia is i386 ... it should definitly work
[03:00] <bluekuja> yup
[03:00] <asac> yeah ;)
[03:00] <asac> usually not much can go wrong :)
[03:01] <bluekuja> yeah :)
[03:01] <bluekuja> checked everything
[03:01] <asac> either its uploaded to right place or it will just be rejected
[03:01] <asac> which isn't that bad :)
[03:01] <bluekuja> :)
[03:01] <asac> yes ... of course, you can make packaging mistakes :)
[03:01] <bluekuja> yeah
[03:01] <bluekuja> but I just restricted
[03:01] <bluekuja> the arch
[03:01] <bluekuja> nothing more
[03:19] <asac> how?
[03:29] <asac> @time pacific
[03:29] <ubotu> Current time in Canada/Pacific: September 13 2007, 06:30:00 - Next meeting: IRC Council in 3 days
[03:30] <asac> @time los_angeles
[03:30] <ubotu> Current time in America/Los_Angeles: September 13 2007, 06:30:20 - Next meeting: IRC Council in 3 days
[03:41] <fuoco> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9a8pre and 1.9a8pre.
[03:41] <fuoco> this means i have no xulrunner?
[03:47] <fuoco> can i import profile into trunk ?
[03:52] <asac> fuoco: you need xulrunner
[03:53] <asac> installed
[03:53] <asac> look in /etc/gre.d/
[03:53] <asac> what is there?
[03:54] <fuoco> yeah i installed it, it wasn't pulled by apt
[03:56] <fuoco> any idea why scrolling with the mouse goes back/forth in history?
[04:21] <fuoco> this is very annoying
[04:32] <asac> hmm
[04:32] <asac> maybe ffox3 now implements 7 mouse button approach?
[04:32] <asac> e.g. like on windows where you have mous buttons to go back and forth?`
[04:32] <asac> and somehow the mousewheel is mapped to that?
[04:32] <asac> fuoco: ?
[04:47] <Crippy-Boy> Hey
[04:54] <fuoco> asac: yes that is possible, how can i get rid of that?
[04:54] <asac> no idea ... change your xorg.conf?
[04:56] <fuoco> i have nothing in xorg.conf about mouse buttons
[05:04] <fuoco> asac: do you know how i get my profile into 'trunk'?
[05:04] <asac> which profile?
[05:04] <fuoco> asac: settings, bookmarks etc...
[05:06] <asac> which?
[05:06] <asac> your ffox 2 should be auto migrated
[05:06] <asac> on first startup
[05:08] <fuoco> asac: that's what i thought but it didn't happen
[05:09] <asac> ask Ubulette :)
[05:19] <fuoco> ok i fixed the scrolling problem in about:config
[05:20] <fuoco> now i'll wait for Ubulette to ask him about the profile :)
[05:38] <gnomefreak> asac: why does ubufox need apturl?
[05:42] <asac> gnomefreak: answered on -devel
[05:42] <gnomefreak> i see
[05:42] <gnomefreak> .win 123
[05:56] <gnomefreak> asac: you will like this one
[05:57] <gnomefreak> urgent can any one help me
[05:57] <gnomefreak> thanks
[05:57] <gnomefreak> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/139344
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139344 in gnash "how to link static files in gnash" [Undecided,New]
[05:59] <gnomefreak> !ppsa
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppsa - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <gnomefreak> !ppsa
[05:59] <gnomefreak> !ppa
[05:59] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[06:26] <asac> cwong1: you mention that the popup doesn't have the hildon theme? thats strange ... at least the popups from the menubar had the same theme for me
[06:26] <asac> (last time i looked)
[06:27] <asac> or is it just a tiny difference ... which i don't see because my eyes are not made for this kind of eye-candy stuff ;)
[06:27] <asac> ?
[06:27] <cwong1> asac: the font and the ">" doen't look the same as other hildon apps
[06:27] <asac> ok
[06:27] <cwong1> asac: the bg and fg colors are fine
[06:27] <asac> border is right as well, right?
[06:27] <cwong1> yes
[06:27] <asac> your status report sounded like it doesn't use the theme at all
[06:28] <asac> ok
[06:28] <cwong1> looks that way
[06:28] <asac> well ... looks that way would be grey ;)
[06:29] <asac> fonts i don't know ... the other thing should be just a different element used i guess
[06:41] <bluekuja> asac: sunbird-locales are missing orig file
[06:42] <asac> bluekuja: no
[06:42] <asac> bluekuja: the orig is in first upload
[06:42] <asac> just click on the first revision submitted to revu
[06:42] <asac> there you can get the orig
[06:42] <bluekuja> asac: oh ok thanks
[06:42] <bluekuja> :)
[06:42] <asac> np
[06:43] <asac> did you first upload(s) succeed?
[06:43] <bluekuja> asac: yup :)
[06:43] <asac> great ... enjoy the feeling ;)
[06:43] <asac> e.g. "accepted ..." mails :)
[06:44] <bluekuja> lol
[06:44] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:44] <bluekuja> that's something great!
[06:49] <bluekuja> asac: to sign other ppl
[06:49] <bluekuja> packages
[06:49] <bluekuja> it's debuild -k
[06:49] <bluekuja> right?
[06:50] <asac> i use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -si<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[06:50] <asac> so yes
[06:50] <asac> -kemailORkeyid
[06:50] <bluekuja> perfect
[06:52] <bluekuja> asac: original source NOT included) is ok then?
[06:52] <asac> use -sa
[06:52] <asac> you need original source on first upload
[06:52] <asac> for each upstream version
[06:53] <bluekuja> asac: was a bug fix
[06:53] <bluekuja> so -si it's ok
[06:53] <bluekuja> asac: is normal that in source.changes file
[06:53] <bluekuja> I dont see Closes:
[06:53] <bluekuja> anymore
[06:53] <asac> no
[06:53] <bluekuja> for LP: #bug
[06:53] <asac> if you have (LP: #buid) you should see it
[06:53] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:53] <bluekuja> right
[06:53] <bluekuja> lets see
[06:54] <asac> maybe a syntax problem
[06:54] <bluekuja> yup
[06:54] <bluekuja> the guy forget
[06:54] <bluekuja> the :
[06:54] <bluekuja> ;)
[06:55] <asac> right ;)
[06:55] <asac> just add it if its just a second of work :)
[06:56] <asac> (as you teached me a while back)
[06:57] <bluekuja> yup
[06:57] <bluekuja> adding and pushing
[06:59] <asac> bluekuja: is sunbird locales uploaded already?
[06:59] <bluekuja> asac: next on the list
[06:59] <bluekuja> :)
[06:59] <asac> cool
[06:59] <bluekuja> just building this
[07:03] <bluekuja> asac: why (0.5-0ubuntu2)?
[07:04] <asac> doesn't matter ... just be sure that both versions are included in changes
[07:04] <asac> or merge the changelog and use ubuntu1
[07:04] <bluekuja> ok gonna merge
[07:05] <asac> fine
[07:05] <bluekuja> :)
[07:06] <asac> should be more or less only: initial upload of locales for sunbird 0.5 :)
[07:06] <bluekuja> ^^
[07:40] <asac> off for a while
[07:45] <bluekuja> k
[07:56] <bluekuja> asac: is the package ok?
[07:56] <bluekuja> e.g packaging side
[07:56] <bluekuja> changelog is   * initial release
[07:56] <bluekuja>   * fixed wrong FETCHADDRESS in rules file
[07:56] <bluekuja>   * converted control file to utf8
[07:56] <bluekuja>   * update-xpi still not fixed
[07:56] <bluekuja>   * removed Danish xpi file which has problems with sunbird 0.5
[07:56] <bluekuja> is it ok?
[07:58] <Ubulette> hi
[07:58] <bluekuja> heya
[08:04] <bluekuja> asac: tell me when back
[08:04] <bluekuja> upload is ready
[08:04] <bluekuja> need to ask you about changelog
[10:07] <cwong1> asac: ping
[10:07] <bluekuja> cwong1, seems he's still away
[10:07] <bluekuja> I pinged him 2-3 times
[10:07] <bluekuja> before
[10:07] <bluekuja> :)
[10:07] <cwong1> :)  sports...
[10:08] <bluekuja> yup, guess so
[10:08] <bluekuja> :)
[10:08] <Ubulette> he said <asac> off for a while
[10:08] <cwong1> ok
[10:08] <bluekuja> lol
[10:08] <bluekuja> yup
[10:08] <bluekuja> 3 hours ago
[10:08] <bluekuja> :P
[10:08] <bluekuja> a great while
[10:08] <bluekuja> :P
[10:10] <Ubulette> asac, I've created a new branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.dev.video
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: you around?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: we really need a way to update the subscriptions in sunbird
[11:29] <gnomefreak> this is weird i cant get it to display a meeting set on fridge
[11:29] <gnomefreak> i have it updating every 10 minutes and im leaving it open and its not reloading (also the reload button is greyed out)
[11:31] <Ubulette> a permission issue ?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> i dont see how, it could be but it should prompt for password if that is the case
[11:32] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[11:32] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 17 Sep 08:00: IRC Council | 18 Sep 12:00: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 20 Sep 08:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Sep 08:00: MOTU Team
[11:32] <Ubulette> i mean, with a file
[11:32] <Ubulette> not auth
[11:33] <Ubulette> but i don't know
[11:33] <Ubulette> just random guess
[11:33] <gnomefreak> only one of those i have is the xubuntu meeting
[11:33] <gnomefreak> makes me wonder let me check file
[11:36] <gnomefreak> should i have saved the ical file in the profile?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> well i moved it lets see if it helps but i dont see why it would
[11:37] <asac> back
[11:38] <asac> cwong1 bluekuja gnomefreak pong
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: where do you save the .ics file for sunbird to update it
[11:38] <gnomefreak> i have sunbird to read file and it worked but doesnt update the meetings so i moved the .ics to profile and doesnt help either
[11:40] <gnomefreak> added reload button to task bar and its greyed
[11:41] <asac> bluekuja: no need to ask about changelog ;) ... you are a MOTU after all
[11:41] <asac> bluekuja: the package was good ... i already confirmed that in the bug
[11:41] <asac> bluekuja: merging changelogs => done
[11:41] <gnomefreak> i shouldnt need to add execute as an app in the properties (that is not user freindly) not sure if it works yet either
[11:41] <asac> gnomefreak: .ics calendar?
[11:42] <asac> gnomefreak: did you import or subscribe?
[11:42] <gnomefreak> fridge
[11:42] <gnomefreak> import i believe
[11:43] <asac> gnomefreak: let me install ;)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> k
[11:43] <asac> i am probably the right maintainer ;) ... not even using that app ;)
[11:43] <asac> oh it just went to office ;)
[11:43] <asac> i had it instlaled
[11:44] <asac> gnomefreak: url?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[11:44] <asac> no .ics extension?
[11:44] <gnomefreak> it saves it as ics
[11:45] <asac> ok i selected file -> subscribe to remote calendar
[11:45] <asac> now it asks if i want to store the calendar on local computer or use it directly from network
[11:45] <asac> i select local option
[11:45] <gnomefreak> right
[11:45] <asac> name: fridge
[11:45] <asac> color: red
[11:46] <gnomefreak> well i have meetings and blue but ok
[11:46] <asac> strange .. the google one workd
[11:46] <asac> this one doesn't?
[11:47] <asac> ok lets use remote option
[11:47] <asac> gnomefreak: remote works
[11:48] <gnomefreak> k
[11:48] <asac> i think local means something differen then
[11:48] <asac> or is broken
[11:48] <asac> no idea
[11:48] <gnomefreak> what location the link i gave you?
[11:48] <asac> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical
[11:48] <asac> ??
[11:48] <asac> just that
[11:48] <gnomefreak> ok lets try :)
[11:49] <asac> i selected file -> remote -> network -> ics + URL
[11:49] <asac> name + color
[11:49] <asac> done
[11:49] <gnomefreak> yes works this way
[11:49] <gnomefreak> so no need to use the ics file at all
[11:49] <gnomefreak> thats a feature?
[11:49] <asac> no if you want read-only
[11:49] <asac> then remote is ok
[11:49] <asac> but its a bit two complicated imo
[11:49] <asac> e.g. the wizard
[11:50] <asac> better: 1. enter url; 2nd present options if there are any
[11:50] <gnomefreak> for a new ubuntu user i would agree
[11:50] <asac> (valids only)
[11:50] <gnomefreak> agreed
[11:58] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna look for more calendars just to test some things (any you know of good to have atm please let me know)
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: mozilla developer calendar ;)
[12:01] <Ubulette> nice. I can now watch videos in ff without any plugin
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Schedule
[12:02] <gnomefreak> asac: im looking for moz cal. for all apps in general
[12:02] <asac> Ubulette: the question if its really better ;)
[12:02] <asac> gnomefreak: look above
[12:02] <asac> ;)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> thats just ff3?
[12:02] <Ubulette> it's simpler
[12:03] <asac> gnomefreak: i think a general calendar
[12:03] <asac> though linked from ffox3 schedule
[12:03] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:04] <asac> Ubulette: so do we have a video tag now?
[12:04] <Ubulette> in the .dev.video branch, yes
[12:04] <asac> can you try to put that in a xul popup ;) ?
[12:04] <asac> menu
[12:05] <Ubulette> seems possible
[12:06] <Ubulette> looks even possible to design a ui in html
[12:06] <Ubulette> http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/test1.html
[12:06] <Ubulette> view source
[12:06] <asac> actually i would really like to get a frame box object that can get 3d animation ;)
[12:06] <asac> like squeezing video elements ;)
[12:07] <asac> one can make a glx gc out of every gdkwindow, right?
[12:08] <TheMuso> asac: sure will do so in a bit
[12:08] <asac> TheMuso: making a 3d element?
[12:08] <Ubulette> lol
[12:08] <asac> ;)
[12:08] <asac> lol
[12:08] <Ubulette> Cannot open device: /dev/dsp
[12:08] <Ubulette> should handle esd
[12:08] <asac> it should use gstreamer please
[12:08] <asac> please don't use esd :/
[12:09] <asac> which libs does it use for audo/video decoding?
[12:09] <Ubulette> libasound
[12:09] <asac> is that a smart decision?
[12:09] <Ubulette> and ogg*
[12:10] <Ubulette> vorbis*
[12:10] <asac> well those are codecs
[12:10] <Ubulette> fishsound, ogg,
[12:10] <Ubulette>   oggplay, oggz, speex, theora and vorbis
[12:10] <asac> they hopefully have a media library that has pluggability
[12:10] <Ubulette> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.ubuntu.dev.video
[12:12] <asac> Ubulette: so does the guy propose to ship libasound in source?
[12:12] <Ubulette> no
[12:12] <Ubulette> he just added -lasound in some .mk
[12:12] <Ubulette> no configure check
[12:12] <asac> hmm
[12:12] <asac> i thought that patch would come with all dependencies ... e.g. and those would be cross-platform
[12:13] <asac> so it works on all archs
[12:13] <Ubulette> it's not even protected in his VIDEO ifdef
[12:13] <asac> scary
[12:13] <Ubulette> I'll discuss with the guy
[12:13] <asac> is he online`
[12:13] <asac> ?
[12:13] <asac> i mean ... in general ;) ... not right now.
[12:14] <Ubulette> dont know.
[12:14] <Ubulette> .nz he should be up
[12:22] <Ubulette> lol, if i click somewhere, it continues to play (the sound) then if I go back, video is still there, playing without interruption
[12:23] <Ubulette> like the flash thing i've reported twice here
[12:24] <asac> sounds like a bug i guess ;)
[12:24] <Ubulette> yes
[12:24] <asac> maybe even a security bug
[12:24] <Ubulette> maybe
[12:24] <asac> probably you can add a timer or something can access freed memory (parents) when you are on the other site
[12:27] <asac> boohh
[12:28] <asac> gnomefreak + kde ... damn that must be the drugs they gave you
[12:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:47] <Ubulette> asac, do we really still need the nss/nspr debian branches on lp ?
[12:49] <asac> Ubulette: why not? stable branches are still merged from debian iirc
[12:50] <Ubulette> donno. that's why i ask
[12:53] <Ubulette> so we have/keep 4 nss
[12:53] <asac> we won't need nss/nspr for your currenty gutsy branch
[12:54] <asac> we should use in source nss/nspr for that
[12:54] <asac> just to avoid any problems and mixup with stable nss/nspr in archive
[12:55] <asac> so while i like that we constantly track nspr on trunk, because we will want them in gutsy+1 i would prefer to keep them out of xulrunner-1.9 that will go into gutsy universe
[12:56] <gnomefreak> asac: btw i havent figured out how to subscribe to uploads to ubuntu repos  (your question yesterday i think it was)
[12:56] <asac> well s/keep them out/keep them in/ :)
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... a bit wierd
[12:56] <gnomefreak> agreed
[12:56] <gnomefreak> *-changes ML is all i have found
[12:57] <gnomefreak> but that is for every app every version uploaded and pushed through NEW i think
[12:57] <gnomefreak> so its alot of extra shit
[12:59] <asac> i think i will subscribe and then filter
[01:07] <Ubulette> hmm, cant connect to any mozilla.org web site
[01:07] <gnomefreak> no problem here with f
[01:07] <gnomefreak> ff
[01:08] <Ubulette> The operation timed out when attempting to contact wiki.mozilla.org.
[01:09] <gnomefreak> still opens
[01:09] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: what version of firefox?
[01:10] <Ubulette> both trunk and gp
[01:10] <Ubulette> strange
[01:10] <gnomefreak> firefxo 2 is fine im trying 3 now
[01:10] <Ubulette> started 1 hour ago
[01:10] <gnomefreak> opens here in 3
[01:11] <gnomefreak> i think its gp
[01:11] <Ubulette> maybe something in the last gutsy's update
[01:11] <gnomefreak> i have both installed not sure what one im using i guess gp
[01:12] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: im fully up to date in gutsy
[01:12] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: everyother site work?
[01:12] <Ubulette> yes
[01:12] <gnomefreak> im assuming your using the official gutsy builds
[01:13] <Ubulette> hmm
[01:13] <Ubulette> not really
[01:14] <Ubulette> I'll reboot. haven't done so for a while
[01:14] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: than its your builds ;)
[01:14] <Ubulette> brb


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[14:14]  * bregma fills his cup from the water cooler
[14:14] <xerent> hello! I'm implementing an USB multi-touch microcontroller and am looking for info about which drivers on the linux side I should be working with
[14:16] <bregma> cnd, any suggestion? ^^^
[14:16] <cnd> xerent, are you asking about kernel drivers, or X drivers, or something else?
[14:16] <cnd> dandrader, tvoss, bregma: standups!
[14:17] <bregma> I finished off the geis branch for grail property settings, I'm not completely
[14:17] <xerent> well, both!
[14:17] <bregma>  pleased so I'm buffing it, I'll post a merge request in a bit
[14:17] <tvoss> working on generic backend and putting some final touches on a huge iteration of the chromium patch
[14:17] <cnd> I'm going to try to figure out why behemoth touchscreen window motion is slower than expected
[14:17] <cnd> xerent, what is your end goal?
[14:17] <xerent> cnd: we've previously built our apps with Qt, using generic HID kernel and X drivers
[14:18] <xerent> and now we're looking to moving from single touch to multi touch
[14:18] <cnd> for general purposes, you want to provide multitouch through the kernel evdev interface
[14:18] <cnd> the rest of the X stack will take care of things
[14:19] <cnd> so either you need to create a linux driver, or you need to take the raw events in userspace and reinject them as a new input device using uinput
[14:20] <xerent> is there some driver for hid multi-touch digitizers floating around we could use?
[14:20] <dandrader> I am frustrated with the brittleness, slowness and unreliability of utouch-* integration tests. Thus I want to make a unit test for geis bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/984069 instead of an integration test. So right now I'm evaluating the best approach (and feasibility) to isolate the grail backend of utouch-geis, that is, where to draw the lines between live code and mocked code. I believe it should be straightforward to unit test utouch stu
[14:20] <dandrader> ff. After all, there's a good number of layers and interfaces around  (frame, grail, geis, frontend/backends abstractions) that must help with the isolation.
[14:20] <cnd> there's documentation on the evdev protocol in Documentation/input/multi-touch-protocol.txt and Documentation/input/event-codes.txt
[14:20] <xerent> cnd: thank you
[14:20] <cnd> xerent, the generic hid-multitouch driver may work
[14:21] <cnd> if your device is win7 hid-multitouch compliant
[14:21] <cnd> dandrader, it would be good if we could fix some of the brittleness too
[14:22] <cnd> what issues were you hitting after we fixed dummy.conf
[14:23] <bregma> dandrader, for better unit testing in geis, you'd want to refactor the grail back end for geis to allow for mocking Xlib
[14:24] <bregma> or, at least, someone would want to do that
[14:24] <bregma> hmmm, maybe I'll look in to that later today
[14:24] <xerent> cnd: we might want to make it compliant in case our customers insist on installing windows on our devices, so :)
[14:25] <cnd> also, some of the long waits in the unit tests aren't really necessary if we properly code the tests to look for things like X input event addition events
[14:25] <xerent> or, at least, tricking Windows into thinking it's compliant.
[14:25] <bregma> I'm going to want to do a little refactoring to improve unit testing for the upcoming plugin-architecture changes to geis
[14:27] <xerent> cnd: anyways, thank you.
[14:27] <cnd> xerent, np :)
[14:30] <xerent> we're looking into bringing linux-based multi-touch into industrial vehicle controls. my job is awesome.
[14:34] <bregma> how well does multi-touch function in industrial environments?  Does the dust and grim cause problems?
[14:35] <dandrader> cnd, the dummy xserver keeps hanging around instead of dying. In some tests sometimes there are protocol errors for XIQueryDevice. sometimes no device added events come at all from grail in tests
[14:35] <dandrader> they probably all have the same cause
[14:35] <cnd> hmm
[14:35] <xerent> well the main problems has been with grounding the PCAP screens and isolating them from EM interference
[14:36] <cnd> I'm guessing there is a mechanism to be sure that child processes die when parents die, we just need to find it
[14:36] <xerent> as for dust, the controls are often placed inside the vehicle (closed space)
[14:37] <xerent> though they are rugged to prevent dust and water etc.
[14:37] <xerent> also temperature might be an issue with some touch screens, but we havn't tested that much yet
[14:37] <bregma> cnd: setsid()?
[14:37] <xerent> we usually heat the devices from -40 degrees C to -20 using internal heaters before turning on power
[14:37] <cnd> bregma, why setsid?
[14:39] <bregma> when the session group leader dies, all its children should die
[14:39] <bregma> at least, that's the way it used to be, seems things keep changing under me these days
[14:40] <cnd> hmm
[14:40] <bregma> you turn your back on these linux guys for a minute and they reinvent everything yet again
[14:41] <cnd> bregma, how are children killed?
[14:41] <cnd> are they sent a signal?
[14:42] <cnd> looks like the child gets SIGHUP?
[14:42] <bregma> I suspect the xorg server may be doing a setsid(), which may be the cause of the problem
[14:44] <bregma> I'm not sure what mechanism is used to kill the children, but sending a HUP followed by a KILL after a timeout rings a bell
[14:45] <bregma> or, no, TERM followed by KILL sounds better
[14:45] <cnd> bregma, I *think* because we are using the dummy driver setsid() isn't called
[14:46] <bregma> yes, and the captive server _usually_ gets shut down
[14:46] <bregma> the fact that it sometimes doesn't smells like some sort of race
[14:46] <cnd> bregma, well, xorg-gtest isn't calling setsid()
[14:46] <cnd> so the pgid is left as the pgid of the shell
[14:47] <bregma> that much is certain
[14:47] <cnd> right?
[14:47] <bregma> yes
[14:47] <cnd> so if we call setsid() we may be able to resolve the issue
[14:47] <bregma> it would be awkward to call setsid() in a foreground program, I think
[14:47] <cnd> hmm
[14:47] <cnd> bregma, maybe setpgid() for the child process?
[14:48] <cnd> would that have the effect we want?
[14:50] <bregma> maybe we just need to have an atexit call that explicitly kills the child....  we shouldn't need to, though, because child processes should die with their parent unless they take special action
[14:51] <bregma> we just need to find out why the captive server is not shutting down
[14:52] <bregma> I shall turn some attention to this, it needs some
[14:52] <cnd> bregma, dandrader|afk: I don't know off the top of my head under what circumstances the dummy x server will continue to live
[14:52] <cnd> do you?
[14:52] <bregma> no
[14:53] <bregma> that's why I suspect a race somewhere
[15:01] <cnd> when I run sudo ./check-grail, the sudo process becomes the process group leader for both check-grail and the X server, and bash remains the session leader
[15:03] <cnd> if I run check-grail and then suspend it with ctrl-shift-z, then I kill the check-grail process, the x server lives on
[15:07] <cnd> I gdb'd the server process and I got SIGCONT when I killed check-grail
[15:08] <cnd> oh wait, that was probably because I had stopped it
[15:10] <cnd> it got SIGPIPE when I killed check-grail while it was running
[15:10] <cnd> but it just continues on
[15:21] <cnd> I'm beginning to think the best we can do is catch all fatal signals in xorg-gtest and terminate the X server
[15:21] <cnd> obviously we can't catch SIGTERM
[15:21] <cnd> but c'est la vie?
[15:22] <cnd> I mean we can't catch SIGKILL
[15:29] <cnd> biab
[17:39] <cnd> bregma, metres?
[17:40] <cnd> really?
[17:42] <bregma> aren't the values in metres?
[17:48] <cnd> bregma, they are in meters!
[17:49] <cnd> I have no idea what a metre is :)
[17:49]  * bregma considers bitter remarks on cultural hegemony regarding a measurement system not even use use by the hegemon
[17:53] <bregma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre#Spelling
[17:54] <bregma> I think the threshold properties should have been in furlongs anyway
[17:55] <cnd> I think it's clear that the US has things correct, and everyone else is stuck in their ways since they use meter for devices but the two terms have the same etymology :)
[18:03] <bregma> the Ubuntu documentation style guide says to use U.S. spellings where there are alternatives, so I will change the comments
[18:03] <bregma> I believe the U.S. spelling is also 'the', so I will change that
[18:21] <cnd> bregma, I was just joking about metre, but I guess if the ubuntu doc style guide says so...
[19:25] <cnd> man, where does the time go?
[19:25] <cnd> it's already lunch time
[21:14] <cnd> bregma, dandrader|biab: I have xorg-gtest daily builds working again
[21:14] <cnd> I have to manually push the packaging branch
[21:15] <cnd> but now you can use ppa:utouch-team/daily to get the latest fixes
[21:15] <dandrader> hmm, opk
[21:15] <dandrader> ok
[21:15] <cnd> i.e. please review the patches I sent out and then you can have them too :)
[21:16] <dandrader> btw, the mocking is coming along nicely. I'm mocking all Xlib and XInput calls. Seems that only a very small subset is used by frame+grail+geis
[21:16] <cnd> dandrader, if you're mocking up X, I would poke robert ancel
[21:16] <cnd> he has been mocking up other parts of X for lightdm
[21:17] <cnd> and has extended an invitation for us to mock up the input stack in his X mock project
[21:17] <cnd> I just can't remember what the project is called off the top of my head
[21:17] <dandrader> ah, good to know


[02:11] <Guest83> Hi, I'm wondering the backports PPA is still at v5.24.5 when 5.25 has been out for a while
[02:17] <guiverc> Guest83, you've not provided release details; but 5.25 may need a newer Qt5 version thus cannot be offered via backports - but do note 5.25 is NOT a LTS version where 5.24 is
[02:17] <Guest83> I am aware, I just want the latest stable releases of Plasma on my 22.04 system.
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> Guest83: 5.25 is undergoing some very rigorous testing and more than the usual bugs have been spotted with this one. We're trying to figure out how to proceed with this one without increasing support costs at hardware partners.
[02:58] <Guest83> Okay, that's what I'm wondering about. Where can I follow these issues? Eickmeyer
[02:58] <Eickmeyer> Guest83: Right now they're being internally tracked with the hardware parner.
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> *partner
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> There's no comprehensive list.
[02:59] <Eickmeyer> We just ask for your patience while a solution that makes everyone happy is found.
[03:00] <Guest83> Okay, I understand.
 hi
 my meta key is not working
 it is working with when i press it with other key
 but not working alone
 Oov Right-click on your application launcher (the Kubuntu logo), go to Keyboard Shortcuts, assign it to Alt+F1.
 Alt+F1 is bound to the meta key alone, so it should work.
 thanks
 Any help her (re @Oskar: After reboot it comes back in taskbar)
 There shouldn't be any keybord indicator in the task manager if you only have one layout configured. (re @Oskar: Any help her)
 There shouldn't be any keyboard indicator in the task manager if you only have one layout configured. (re @Oskar: Any help her)
 How can i get rid of it
 Its just only one layout and this is DE. Nothing else configured
 Deactivating dont help it comes all the time this annoying indicator
 Before the upgrade i never seen this indicator
 I'm trying to open whatsapp for linux and it dose not respond
 Lol how did you get WhatsApp on Linux? (re @Oov: I'm trying to open whatsapp for linux and it dose not respond)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 a flash drive for Windows 7 can be rufused
 By magic (re @parkour_29: Lol how did you get WhatsApp on Linux?)
 Lol by magic (re @parkour_29: Lol how did you get WhatsApp on Linux?)
[14:19] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/whatsapp-for-linux
[14:24] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
 I really need help with this annoyment (re @Oskar: Before the upgrade i never seen this indicator)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> which annoyance ?
[15:21] <oerheks> BluesKaj, lets wait for the answer a few hours .. annoying matrix bridge
[15:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> oerheks: That's the Telegram bridge, not the Matrix bridge.
[15:23] <oerheks> oh right, matrix gives an M in the username
[15:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unless the user is using it as their primary IRC client, in which case they can change the name to not have the M.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> oerheks, Eickmeyer[m], that leaves me out, I know nothing of either one of those :-)
[15:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> IrcsoeBot = Telegram (the Instant Messenger), Matrix = A separate messaging protocol akin to IRC but with some added bonus features.
[15:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> *IrcsomeBot
 Help (re @TarasWTE: a flash drive for Windows 7 can be rufused)
 Apparently you either rely on WhatsApp from Web or third party clients which isn’t any itself app but uses same web algorithm (re @Oov: Lol by magic)
 How to know if im at third party ? (re @parkour_29: Apparently you either rely on WhatsApp from Web or third party clients which isn’t any itself app but uses same web algorithm)
 Third party WhatsApp clients most people downloads from Snap/Flatpaks (re @Oov: How to know if im at third party ?)
 But most don’t realize those apps use chrome to login WhatsApp 😂😂😂
 Haaaa ok
 It is a snap
[20:18] <user|61> hello. how can execute a file with kubuntu? it opens as a text file!
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> user|61: Easy, just right-click on it, open Properties, click Permissions, and check the  "Is executable" checkbox.
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Then click OK.
[20:20] <user|61> I already did that on the folder, it doesn´t let me do it on the exact file, but still opens as a text file
[20:20] <arraybolt3[m]> user|61: Like, you're not allowed to set that permission on the exact file? Or you haven't yet?
[20:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (The permission needs to be set on the exact file.)
[20:21] <arraybolt3[m]> If this still doesn't work, there's another trick we can use.
[20:21] <user|61> when I right-click on the exact file I don´t have the preferences option on the list
[20:22] <arraybolt3[m]> user|61: Weird. OK, right-click inside the folder containing the file, and click "Open Terminal".
[20:22] <user|61> also I want to change the behavior of the system so I don´t have the same problem again with other files
[20:23] <arraybolt3[m]> user|61: Once the terminal is open, type "chmod 0755 <put file name here>", replacing the placeholder as appropriate. If it returns an error, do "sudo chmod 0755 <put file name here>", and type your password.
[20:24] <user|61> there is no "open terminal" option on my list. Only "open with ark" and "open with.."
[20:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Then you right-clicked on the file probably, or on the folder. Enter the folder that contains the file, right-click in an empty area of the folder display, and then click "Open Terminal".
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> (I don't think you can make the system automatically do this for you - that would be a huge security risk, and this behavior is built into the very core of how Linux works. Sorry.)
[20:26] <user|61> I just tried on an empty area of the folder. no open terminal option
[20:27] <user|61> oh I found it!
[20:35] <user|61> Im still having problems. inside open terminal when I type what you said it says the file doesn´t exist
[20:48] <user|61> could anybody help me please?
[20:54] <user|61> thanks for ignoring me zombies!
 Dunno about you, but it's past midnight here, so not a wonder if no one's awake 😅
[23:24] <mmikowski_> RikMills:  Sent you testing summaries on Plasma 5.25.2. Sorry they took a bit of time to get out. Same issues as before. Just got my Quassel setup back :\


 @tsimonq2, Copied to Backports
[02:43] <valorie> weeeeee
[02:44] <tsimonq2> Still got more to go, though ;)
 http://psifidotos.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/latte-bug-fix-release-v072.html
 Nice
[17:31] <acheronuk> helloooo. can anyone check? https://kubuntu.org/?p=3590&preview=true
[17:31] <acheronuk> Latte dock update :)
[17:44] <acheronuk> I've got go do other stuff for a while. Looks good to me, so pushed.
[18:13] <mparillo> Changed it's (contraction) to its (possessive).
[18:18] <acheronuk> TY
[18:20] <mparillo> Strong with the Obsessive Compulsive Disorder I am.
[19:20] <sick_rimmit> Hello friends
 *waves*
[19:21] <sick_rimmit> I'm just working on a post to Kubuntu Users appealing for marketing and promotional help
[19:21] <sick_rimmit> as mentioned the other day
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> OK, I've also written some text for the website frontpage
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> I'll post both to the KC list for consideration / comment
 not just share it on a google doc?
 crowd editing :P
[19:52] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha, that's a thought, I didn't think of
[19:55] <sick_rimmit> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lxm0qJjoeoJfyT2_dYx4FdrvihRT8M_fjcnHI6dHJLM/edit?usp=sharing
[20:39] <valorie> neato
 build on top of Qt maybe?
 maybe a mention of LibreOffice?
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> Ooo yes definetly mention LibreOffice
[21:51] <valorie> power just went off, so I'll be kicked offline any minute
[21:59] <acheronuk> :/
[22:44] <valorie> as predicted!
[22:45] <valorie> only 40 mins; that ain't bad
[22:45] <valorie> wind is supposed to last /gust for another 6 hours


[03:05] <Unit193> So does anyone else in here use xfce4-volumed?
[22:21] <Unit193> https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2018/xubuntu-devel.2018-11-23-22.01.log.html#l-453 huh.
[23:40] <bluesabre> should probably swap that in soon


[10:37] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r3578 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[10:37] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Make migration-assistant import failures non-fatal to the overall
[10:37] <CIA-37> ubiquity: install.
[10:37] <evand> ^ Occurred to me last night.  Can't believe I never thought to do that before.
[11:44] <xivulon> davmor2 can you see if you can reproduce 477104?
[11:45] <davmor2> xivulon: didn't I try this already and it worked fine?
[12:27] <CIA-37> partman-base: cjwatson * r172 ubuntu/ (73 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 135
[12:31] <CIA-37> partman-base: cjwatson * r173 ubuntu/debian/ (partman-base.templates rules): new way to make ext4 the default
[12:33] <CIA-37> partman-base: cjwatson * r174 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 135ubuntu1
[13:12] <soren> Did we stop using UUID's in fstab under certain circumstances in Karmic?
[13:15] <soren> cjwatson: ^
[13:15] <soren> cjwatson: A guy over in #ubuntu-server says he's installed a bunch of karmic servers. None of them used UUID's in fstab.
[13:16] <soren> I don't actually have any karmic servers installed from CD that I can check.
[13:16] <cjwatson> not to my knowledge
[13:16] <cjwatson> bear in mind they were never used for e.g. LVM
[13:16] <soren> good point.
[13:17]  * soren checks if that's the problem
[13:31]  * cjwatson loses the will to live while merging .po files
[13:38] <evand> haha
[14:22] <CIA-37> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r689 ubuntu/ (73 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 39
[14:27] <CIA-37> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r690 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/crypto_config): resync UUID handling with Debian
[14:29] <CIA-37> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r691 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 39ubuntu1
[14:50] <CIA-37> tzsetup: cjwatson * r505 ubuntu/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1:0.26
[15:01] <evand> cjwatson: Before I go ahead and make the change, do you have any objection to not ever showing the language support warning when language-support is set to all (even in cases where getting all of the packages fails), per https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/471553
[15:03] <evand> it seems reasonable to me, given that the people preseeding generally know what they're doing
[15:05] <evand> hrm actually, superm1, am I reading correctly in that you don't care how you avoid the pop-up, so long as you can?  That is, would an extra preseed question be okay by you?
[15:05] <superm1> sure
[15:07] <evand> cool
[15:09] <cjwatson> evand: not particularly
[15:10] <cjwatson> I think I marginally prefer a separate question too, though
[15:10] <evand> great, that's the route I'm going down
[15:31] <NCommander> cjwatson, I'd like to do some clean up on d-cd/ubuntu-cdimage as part of cleaning up and reorganizing the ARM backends, and I'd like to remove some of the old clutter we have built up over the years like The OpenCD support; any objections on axing that?
[15:33] <CIA-37> pkgsel: evand * r154 pkgsel.ubuntu/debian/ (changelog pkgsel.templates postinst):
[15:33] <CIA-37> pkgsel: Provide a way to avoid warning the end user when the language packs
[15:33] <CIA-37> pkgsel: could not be installed (LP: #471553).
[15:34] <evand> better names welcome
[15:38] <kirkland> evand: ping
[15:38] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r3579 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[15:38] <CIA-37> ubiquity: pkgsel now provides a debconf question to avoid warning the end user
[15:38] <CIA-37> ubiquity: when the language packs could not be installed (LP: #471553).
[15:38] <evand> kirkland: pong
[15:38] <kirkland> evand: would you mind if I subscribed you to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-ecryptfs ?
[15:38] <evand> by all means
[15:38] <kirkland> evand: ie, i'd like your participation
[15:38] <kirkland> evand: there's a couple of scripts i think would make sense to make sure we get in the LiveCD
[15:38] <kirkland> evand: for recovering your encrypted-homedir
[15:39] <kirkland> evand: and even migrating to an encrypted-homedir
[15:39] <evand> okay, coolness
[15:39] <kirkland> evand: currently, i point people to my blog where I have the commands to do it :-)
[15:39] <evand> heh
[15:40] <cjwatson> NCommander: I don't mind, but would appreciate the opportunity to review the patch since that is a bit involved
[15:41] <NCommander> cjwatson, of course, I pinged you since I'm not sure if we actually want to keep support for building legacy images around for a specific reason
[15:42] <cjwatson> in general I want to keep support for building legacy images around, since (a) it's good discipline (b) it's the closest we have to documentation of some of this
[15:42] <NCommander> cjwatson, (I'm not sure if you seen, but there's also a specification on adding support for creating ext2/3 images in d-cd versus vfat, and I'm curious if you have any input on that)
[15:42] <cjwatson> but I don't care much about theopencd in particular
[15:43] <cjwatson> ext2/3> entirely your guys' call as far as I'm concerned
[15:46] <cjwatson> evand: ubiquity r3579 looks like it'll break - nothing puts that template into ubiquity's own templates file
[15:46] <cjwatson> pkgsel is one of those "d-i only" components so templates tend to have to be copied
[15:46] <evand> err whoops.  fixing.
[15:47] <cjwatson> (I'm not reviewing all your changes, BTW, in case you were wondering! just happened to spot that one :-) )
[15:48] <evand> so I shouldn't just cowboy things in, expecting a safety net? ;)
[15:48] <cjwatson> :-)
[15:50] <CIA-37> ubiquity: evand * r3580 ubiquity/debian/ubiquity.templates: Add missing debconf question for the previous commit.
[16:01] <davmor2> xivulon: yeah wubi is working fine here even after updates
[16:43] <xivulon> davmor2, thanks I was also unable to reproduce, cannot understand from the reports what the issue is
[16:45] <davmor2> xivulon: I'm not entirely sure either.
[16:46] <xivulon> soren, ot, when I use kvm in karmic and try to connect, after a bit connection drops and it slows down a lot
[16:47] <xivulon> I end up using jaunty to test upgrades
[16:48] <xivulon> I thought it was due to a race with forcedeth but there is something else
[16:53] <xivulon> hmm might be 458521
[18:43] <tommyguitfiddle> I'm trying to install ubuntu 9.10 from a USB stick on an eeepc 1005ha.  It keeps freezing during install and displays the prompt "*Starting init crypto disks..."  Please help!


[00:20] <Cheesehead> H right back at you.
[00:20] <Cheesehead> FInally came inside.  Everybody else is....
[01:22] <Cheesehead> So 11.10 is *so* great...
[01:23] <Cheesehead> (How great is it?)
[01:24] <Cheesehead> 11.10 is so great that it's causing the leaves to fall at my house.
[01:24] <mikeputnam> heh
[01:24] <Cheesehead> Yeah, 11.10 is the cause of (and cure for) climate change.
[01:24]  * Cheesehead offers the microphone around again
[01:26] <mikeputnam> i wonder why people get so hot and bothered about things like window manager changes
[01:26] <mikeputnam> probably the same ones who complain about facebook changing the look at their whim
[01:27] <Cheesehead> What's a window?
[01:29] <mikeputnam> heh
[01:33] <Cheesehead> What's a facebook?
[01:33] <Cheesehead> What's a whim?
[01:33]  * Cheesehead runs out to purchase a dictionary
[01:40] <Cheesehead> Good thing there's a dictionary store next door...
[01:40] <Cheesehead> Open late, too.
[01:49]  * Cheesehead is still here, just haveing a #ubuntu-brainstorm discussion
[01:49] <Cheesehead> and spelling funny too. That's one way you know it's me and not a pod person.
[02:04] <Cheesehead> Thaks, everyone, for another Tuesday Evening Hangout
[02:04] <Cheesehead> Thanks, too
[02:04] <Cheesehead> Thursday at 20:00 CDT, we'll be back
[02:04] <Cheesehead> The Thursday topic will be: What are all the release servers so slow?
[02:05] <Cheesehead> Gack! Spelling...getting....worse....
[02:05]  * Cheesehead stops for a snack in the atrium, the out to his car
[02:05] <Cheesehead> gack!
[02:05] <Cheesehead> gack1
[02:05] <Cheesehead> Oh, for goodness...
[02:21] <mikeputnam> nice
[13:14] <h00k> I invite everyone to #ubuntu-release-party for schenanagins
[13:38] <mikeputnam>  /join #ubuntu-release-party
[13:39] <h00k> woo
[13:42]  * Cheesehead joins to see....the crickets chirping
[13:50] <h00k> yeah...
[13:50] <h00k> It'll get *insane*
[14:24] <Cheesehead> Insane as in lotsa fun, or insane as in knife-wielding-maniac?
[14:25] <Cheesehead> I can work with either, but need to know so I put my phone and wallet in the correct pocket.
[14:32] <mikeputnam> Cheesehead: keep us in suspense. more exhilirating with an element of scaryness.
[14:45] <Cheesehead> mikeputnam: Well, aren't release parties always like that?
[14:46] <mikeputnam> they are now!
[14:46] <Cheesehead> I've decided to go with the phone in the back pocket. I need the room up front for the First Aid Kit.
[15:12] <h00k> new post, http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2011/10/12/ubuntu-wisconsin-presentation-success/
[15:12] <h00k> a bit late, but better than never!
[15:14] <Cheesehead> Never too late. Great post and photos!
[15:16] <h00k> woooo
[15:16] <h00k> I need to update my resume.
[15:17] <Cheesehead> Why?
[15:18] <h00k> It's always a good idea
[15:18] <Cheesehead> Only if you want a job.
[15:18] <h00k> Of course
[15:18] <h00k> I mean, I have one
[15:18] <Cheesehead> So you want a different of better job?
[15:26] <Cheesehead> Yep, it's wild in there. Happily, the bouncers didn't find my switch-blade.
[15:27]  * Cheesehead flicks open the blade
[15:27] <Cheesehead> Dang! It's my comb!
[15:27]  * Cheesehead sighs and combs his hair
[15:33] <h00k> Cheesehead: nah, it's just always a good idea ;)
[17:02] <h00k> I'm restless today
[17:03] <h00k> I had a hard time sleeping last night
[17:05] <Cheesehead> Here. Try some kids. You'll sleep a lot better.
[17:12] <h00k> Heh.
[17:28] <mikeputnam> i disagree on the kids thing. last night i had a bad-dreamer, a talking-aloud-in-their-sleep, and two cat barfing episodes.
[17:28] <mikeputnam> well, i guess the cat barfing wasn't really kid related
[17:28] <mikeputnam> but i'm sharing here
[17:34] <Cheesehead> Well, your *spouse* won't get any sleep. But you'll prented to sleep great.
[17:45] <h00k> :)
[18:34] <mikeputnam> wilugbot: over here too?
[18:34] <wilugbot> It was so great when the /me command was called an ACTION...now it's OK as long as you can!
[18:34] <mikeputnam> cool
[18:35] <h00k> wilugbot: welcome
[18:35] <wilugbot> backdoors bigger than a thousand million (< 109), the two scales are identical. At and above a thousand million (≥ 109), the two cats together vigorously until they got the joke
[18:35] <h00k> was gone for a while
[18:37] <mikeputnam> heh
[18:37] <mikeputnam> i'm waiting for someone to talk to him over on release-party and get banned
[18:38] <mikeputnam> wilugbot: sometimes you don't say the nicest things
[18:38] <wilugbot> like a small toilet, an erection and explosive diahria
[18:38] <mikeputnam> see!
[18:43] <h00k> mikeputnam: I'd just be careful about unauthorized bots in #ubuntu namespaces, like #ubuntu-release-party
[18:43] <h00k> just in case
[18:43] <h00k> it's probably not a good idea
[18:44] <mikeputnam> ah well
[18:51] <h00k> It's okay in here
[18:51] <h00k> pretty sure.
[18:52] <h00k> cause I say so
[18:52] <h00k> if it can be...
[18:52] <h00k> hah. mostly appropriate
[18:54] <mikeputnam> h00k: a new one!  http://www.wausaucollaborationcenter.com/
[18:56] <h00k> mikeputnam: oh, interesting.
[18:57] <h00k> That's somewhat closer
[19:20] <mikeputnam> h00k:
[19:20] <mikeputnam> 14:18 < MakeBit> mikeputnam: isn't that anthony hook from closer to wausau?
[19:20] <mikeputnam> 14:18 < mikeputnam> yes
[19:20] <mikeputnam> 14:19 < tjbaudio> we live in Wittenberg so we are pretty close to fox valley
[19:20] <mikeputnam> 14:19 < mikeputnam> tjbaudio: DHMN has gotten our non-profit status from the state.
[19:20] <mikeputnam> 14:19 < tjbaudio> anthony hook? have not heard of him
[19:20] <mikeputnam>  /join #sector67     and set me straight
[20:31] <h00k> Someone found my blog
[20:31] <h00k> lives in Rhinelander
[20:31] <h00k> and uses Ubuntu
[20:31] <mikeputnam> this Inter-net thing may just catch on
[20:32] <h00k> turns out he's the president of our City Council
[20:32] <mikeputnam> cool
[20:32] <mikeputnam> prolly has an open ear for cost-savings FOSS solutions for government
[20:37] <h00k> http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2011/10/12/ubuntu-wisconsin-presentation-success/comment-page-1/#comment-1176
[21:09] <Cheesehead> h00k: You're famous, man.
[21:10] <h00k> That's funny, innit
[21:12] <Cheesehead> Just remember us little people when you head to Holl-ee-wood for your new movie career
[21:13] <h00k> that's a good joke
[21:13] <h00k> nobody's alittle people
[21:13] <h00k> a little people
[21:14] <h00k> also, movie. hah.
[21:14] <h00k> Nah, he found *us*. We're not famous.
[21:14] <h00k> er
[21:14] <h00k> I'm not, we are.
[21:15] <Cheesehead> I tell that to my 4-year old. He doesn't buy it. He knows he's little.