[04:09] <ducasse> good moning
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning/weekend to all
[06:51] <ducasse> hiya lotuspsychje - how's life in belgium today?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> hey hey ducasse
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great here mate tnx
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> going for xmass shopping today
[06:52] <EriC^^> !ping
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> they promised snow, but nothing here
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:53] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:53] <ducasse> morning, EriC^^
[06:53] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[06:58] <ducasse> it's way too early in the morning for me to handle this guy, been trying to talk sense into him for half an hour or so
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> what was his origin issue?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> ive seen him troll a bit before i think
[07:01] <ducasse> he's not really trolling, he's just hopeless. "no boring docs, i hate reading - find me youtube video"
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> i read custom ubuntu?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> whats that about
[07:04] <ducasse> what, where? maybe when we were talking about vps hosts customizing images
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> oh
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> didnt read the original issue
[08:19] <EriC^^> hi immu
[08:20] <immu> hey EriC^^
[08:20] <immu> how di
[08:20] <immu> i though all are asleep
[08:20] <EriC^^> nah just sleepy
[08:28] <ducasse> i've been up since 5 :-/
[08:31] <immu> oh i have being since 6
[08:32] <immu> 6 am that is :)
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> bbl shopping
[08:33] <ducasse> which timezone? i'm cet
[08:33] <ducasse> have fun lotuspsychje
[08:34] <immu> +4 GMT
[09:48] <immu> hi lordievader
[09:49] <immu> ducasse, hi again, i thiink you dozed off
[09:52] <ducasse> immu: me? why?
[09:53] <immu> after two or three replies every one goes silent?
[09:53] <immu> :)
[09:54] <ducasse> i've just been across the room, playing with the imac :)
[10:00] <ducasse> idiotic machine, by the way, but i'm determined to use it for _something_
[10:21] <alkisg> What are its specs, cpu/ram?
[10:27] <ducasse> it's an old core 2 duo, only 2gb ram, but i'm getting another gig from the guy who gave it to me :)
[10:29] <ducasse> i'm going to shrink the hfs+ partition from os x, install a minimal ubuntu install on the rest, and see what it's capable of.
[10:30] <ducasse> hoping to run a browser on it with monitoring info, and a few terminals for ssh + mutt
[10:43] <Ben64> lol this guy
[10:44] <ducasse> ridiculous
[10:45] <ducasse> i'm going for a walk, had enough of this bs for one morning with neo1 earlier
[10:45] <Ben64> yeah i should go to sleep
[10:45] <Ben64> need to wake up early and get a tire replaced :|
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, finished clearing up your audio setup yesterday?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, yes, it's all setup and working wqell, watched The Grand Tour in 1080p and DD 5.1 last night
[12:41] <BluesKaj> ducasse, and how are you today?
[12:44] <ducasse> BluesKaj: just been out shopping groceries, it's lethal out there. black ice with a sheet of water on top - i went down twice.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> whoa, bummer...we havw about `5cm snowhere finally, but no ice underneath it , so it's sort of "dry snow "
[12:47] <BluesKaj> 15 cm rather
[12:52] <ducasse> by back hurts like hell now, though, from one of the landings, and i get super-drowsy from the pain killers that are strong enough to do anything about it
[12:53] <ducasse> don't really want to take one
[12:55] <BluesKaj> right, understandable
[13:00] <BluesKaj> btw for video , vlc has taken a back seat to mpvnow, it
[13:01] <BluesKaj> handles difficult video much better than vlc , especailly 1080p
[13:03] <ducasse> i mainlu use mpv myself, sometimes through smplayer
[13:04] <ducasse> but i don't really play much video on my desktop, leave that for the rpi with xbian
[13:05] <ducasse> i want it on the big tv 99% of the time
[13:09] <BluesKaj> well, this is a HTPC , connected to my TV for use as a monitor , with wireless LB and mouse from my easy chair 3M away from the screen
[13:09] <BluesKaj> LB=KB
[13:10] <BluesKaj> dpi to hdmi video connection
[13:10] <BluesKaj> er dvi  :-)
[13:14] <ducasse> i want a proper htpc, nut the only machine i have that i could use is a bit underpowred, and in a massive, powersucking noisy full-tower case :)
[13:15] <ducasse> so, not really ideal :)
[13:15] <ducasse> vs that tiny little rpi there's not even a just fight
[13:22] <BluesKaj> ducasse, my rpi3 actually does a decent job on video using the omxplayer from the cli
[13:25] <ducasse> ime is just an rpi2, but it works. i'll be ordering a 3 one of these days, just keep putting it off...
[13:26] <ducasse> *mine
[13:27] <BluesKaj> but I have a hdd connected and placed the / dir there to prevent too many writes from killing the microsd card . The HDD has plenty of space for movies and music as well, altho wifi streaming doesn't work too well from the HTPC thru the router to the rpi
[13:28] <BluesKaj> so I just copy movies over to the rpi hdd if I feel the need
[13:32] <ducasse> i've got too many tb of media here, no way to connect that to an rpi...
[13:33] <BluesKaj> probly not practical
[13:37] <ducasse> i feel much better having it on the zfs fileserver
[13:38] <ducasse> it should get a new mobo, another couple of disks and an ups, but no money in my budget...
[13:38] <ducasse> hoping for a decent mobo and ups showing up 2nd-hand...
[13:39] <ducasse> i think i'm losing that pain killer battle, can hardly stand up :-/ this is no fun at the age of 43 :(
[13:42] <BluesKaj>  :/
[13:44] <BluesKaj> this HP HTPC is 2008 vintage, but I've added Ram, a ssd and a cheap nvidia gpu, so it does the job, and PSU is only 180 watts so it doesn't suck a lot of power.
[13:47] <ducasse> i think the psu in that tower is 750 or thereabouts. when i think about it, it probably doesn't have an igp, and i've got no spare gpu. would need to get something cheap that can do the job.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> this gpu is a nvidia GeForce 210, worth about $40 US
[13:52] <ducasse> that's not too bad. still don't think i want that big tower in my living room, though, i try to keep it pretty computer-free...
[13:52] <BluesKaj> it has no fan just a very large heatsink on the processor
[13:56] <BluesKaj> the HTPC  here is on the floor under the drafting table I bought from Ikea that holds center speaker, TV , pvr, and audio receiver....quite unobtrusive really
[13:59] <BluesKaj> but wife is used to my audio/video setups and has learned to be very patient wih my quirks  :-)
[14:12] <ducasse> BluesKaj: any potential wife material for me would need to be more than a little patient :) the bench my tv sits on hold the cable modem, the rpi, two mikrotik routers, and a hell of a lot of cables - some of them disappearing into ducts, others in holes in the wall :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, I avoid lighting near the A/V system due to the number of cables running between the compoents and devices, looks terribly messy
[14:21] <ducasse> thinking of getting another mikrotik, probably just a switch, for the 'server room', and redoing the entire setup into vlans etc. they're really good products that don't cost a lot.
[14:22] <immu> hi ducasse \
[14:24] <ducasse> \o immu
[14:25] <immu> \o/
[14:25] <BluesKaj> immu, \o
[14:27] <ducasse> BluesKaj: what software do you run on the htpc? kodi?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> I just use kodi for some IPTV streams, but for video/movies use mpv for full video/audio with the 5.1 DD or VLC for DTS audio, or kaffiene for headphone listening since DD/DTS doesn't convert to analog needed for my wireless headphones
[14:33] <BluesKaj> a bit of a mish mash , depending on the encoded video and audio used by the movie
[14:35] <ducasse> :)
[14:36] <immu> coool
[14:37] <immu> i use plex on Windows and Linux :) and stream all over the home
[14:37] <ducasse> i just throw everything at kodi and leave it to figure it out, but i don't have a proper setup with a receiver etc
[14:37] <immu> heard a lot about KODI
[14:40] <ducasse> i've been using it since it was called xbmc and ran on the original xbox. had a modded one with a large drive, great fun :)
[14:43] <immu> heard about xbmc also
[14:47] <BluesKaj> think plex would be cool for OTA TV broadcast to pc video audio capture for a homegeown pvr system, but here in the boonies there's only one nalog signal available OTA and no didgitals since the gov't regs lest cities under 250k population still broadcast old style analog SD qualtity tv signals
[14:50] <immu> i mainly use it to stream video's from my laptop to my table as i lay in bed relaxing and watching movie
[14:53] <BluesKaj> when igo to bed , i listen to the radio for a few mins then I sleep :-)
[14:54] <immu> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_s_10_5-6438.php LTE version
[16:00] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[16:08] <immu> hi
[16:12] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw
[16:13] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj :)
[18:46] <Bashing-om> And we do Saturday support :) - See what I can learn this day .
[21:00] <Bashing-om> rebooting . back soonest .
[21:10] <Bashing-om> OK .. back from reboot, all good :)


[00:42] <mwhudson> frobware: no, but the lab mustangs being on old firmware means i'm using images with old kernels for the moment
[00:56] <WodgeyD> Hi everybody. Can anyone help me with DRBL question?
[04:44] <morenoh150> anyone know how to nuke lvm from my machine?
[04:44] <morenoh150> just want to reinstall ubuntu without it
[04:44] <morenoh150> but the install wizard doesn't seem to be able to handle it
[04:47] <morenoh150> ended up trying 'use entire disk' hopefully it nukes lvm
[04:54] <Logos01> morenoh150: It should.
[04:54] <Logos01> If nothing else you can just relable the drive with fdisk.
[05:02] <morenoh150> yeah I was just hoping I could set up partitions. But when I was on the screen nothing seemed to work for deleting the lvm stuff
[05:02] <morenoh150> Logos01:
[05:07] <Logos01> morenoh150: Yeah, if you chose "use whole disk" it will blank out the existing partitions.
[05:07] <Logos01> But why would you *WANT* to not use LVM?
[05:11] <morenoh150> it a headache. surprised you like it
[05:12] <morenoh150> wanted to learn more about it and was told it could help me with my raid config. But it's endless deadends when anything goes wrong
[05:12] <morenoh150> just gonna do rsync with a cron job to backup my data
[05:12] <morenoh150> Logos01:
[05:14] <Logos01> LVM is a vital part of any linux admin's toolkit.
[05:14] <Logos01> It's also essential to any conventional Linux server setup.
[05:14] <Logos01> A) It permits online filesystem growth
[05:15] <Logos01> B) It permits arbitrary names of your block devices.
[05:15] <morenoh150> okay I reinstalled ubuntu by wiping my first drive. How do I wipe the second from the terminal?
[05:15] <Logos01> C) It's the core underpinning for almost all clustered storage solutions.
[05:15] <Logos01> D) It's basically essential to STIG-DISA filesystem architecture compliance.
[05:16] <Logos01> (Which has to do with adjusting the mount options for various directories of the operating system to ensure least privilege for any given file/event is maintained.)
[05:16] <Logos01> I would never use it for RAID setups though. *that* is a headache.
[05:17] <morenoh150> right. and that was the only reason I even explored it
[05:20] <morenoh150> ah I see fdisk is for formating from the terminal
[05:20] <Logos01> morenoh150: Yeah, if you just use "use full disk" that'll clear out that disk drive for you.
[05:20] <Logos01> morenoh150: One caveat to the RAID thing.  If all you're doing is JBOD then yeah I'd use LVM for that.
[05:21] <morenoh150> Logos01: I even abandoned the raid idea. was told that rsync+cron would do essentially the same thing (data backups)
[05:22] <Logos01> ... RAID ... for ... backups ...
[05:22]  * Logos01 sighs
[05:23] <Logos01> I'm not meaning to be snarky, I apologize.
[05:23] <morenoh150> well redundancy in my case. I just wanted some buffer against hardware failure. If I backup to the second disk that should be good enough
[05:23] <Logos01> Oh.
[05:24] <Logos01> What release of Ubuntu are you using? Also, what application is this for?
[05:25] <morenoh150> just installed the latest desktop version. It my home server that I expose a personal web apps and irc bots
[05:25] <morenoh150> plus I want to use it as a samba server to backup my laptop data
[05:25] <Logos01> Latest meaning 14.10
[05:25] <morenoh150> err no 14.04.1
[05:25] <morenoh150> close enough
[05:26] <cfhowlett_> Logos01, 14.10 is beta.  you break it, you fix it.
[05:26] <Logos01> cfhowlett_: I'm not even on 14.04 everywhere yet.
[05:26] <cfhowlett_> Logos01, PLUS: 9 month support cycle.  14.04 has 5 years ...
[05:26] <cfhowlett_> Logos01, noted
[05:26] <Logos01> cfhowlett_: He said "latest desktop version". I was getting clarification as to what he meant.
[05:26] <morenoh150> exploring docker too
[05:26] <cfhowlett_> :)
[05:27] <Logos01> cfhowlett_: Yeah, my first Ubuntu version was 7.04.
[05:27] <Logos01> Wasn't my first *linux* version.
[05:27] <cfhowlett_> Logos01, so ubuntu ... so brown ... so circle of friends ...
[05:27] <Logos01> The way it was meant to be.
[05:29] <Logos01> morenoh150: So yeah, for your purposes may I suggest using a server build instead?
[05:30] <Logos01> morenoh150: Suppelementally -- you're going to go through a lot of headache as you learn the mentality and thinking behind the tools used and how they work.
[05:30] <Logos01> morenoh150: But it's worth the headache.
[05:30] <Logos01> (With regards to LVM and so on)
[05:31] <Logos01> ... also, if you're ready for a REAL headache you could always go ZFSonLinux as rootfs.
[05:31] <Logos01> <_<
[05:31]  * Logos01 may and or may do that on all the things.
[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:52] <strixUK> last january, i tried to set up ubuntu 13.10 on a box with root on LVM on md RAID1.  it installed okay, but wouldn't boot, apparently because 'vgchange -a' got invoked before the md devices were ready.  hacking the udev scripts to add a 'sleep 1' before the 'vgchange -a' solved the problem, but it's an awfully hackish solution (and not one likely to survive a kernel upgrade unless i mess with initramfs-tools)
[14:54] <strixUK> yesterday, i completely reinstalled with ubuntu 14.04.1, and much the same problem happened.  it expressed slightly differently (same error from the lvm mapper, followed by 'no such user root/group disk' from mdadm.  (there was also some odd message at boot from grub about diskfilter writes, but it didn't seem to actually be a problem)
[14:54] <strixUK> is there a better solution than adding 'sleep's into udev scripts?
[14:54] <strixUK> should i perhaps file a bug with canonical?
[15:08] <jrwren> strixUK: definitely file a bug in launchpad. I wish you had last January.
[15:14] <strixUK> jrwren: okay, i'll work on it.  yes, i should have filed a bug, but things got busy with other server work.
[15:14] <strixUK> (and this box is a toy for me to learn about xen)
[15:15] <jrwren> strixUK: I hear ya :)
[15:56] <phix> hi, what are some webmin alternatives?
[15:57] <ikonia> a google search will show some
[15:57] <ikonia> then you can see if they have packages supported by ubuntu
[15:57] <ikonia> make sure you check the support status of the repos they come from
[15:58] <phix> I see
[17:16] <pmatulis> phix: investigate zentyal, either the ISO or its individual packages
[18:00] <aandy> hi guys. any easy way to make a pc speaker BEEP? i have a cronjob which, under a condition, should beep/alert
[19:03] <DigiAngel> Afternoon all
[19:04] <DigiAngel> Anyone up and alive?
[19:04] <DigiAngel> Really need some help...production server died, trying to get dev box up
[19:14] <DigiAngel> Wow
[19:22] <teward> DigiAngel: patience.
[19:22] <teward> DigiAngel: you also haven't made any actual questions.
[19:22] <teward> other than "anyone here"?
[19:23] <teward> the better thing to do is to actually ask your REAL question
[19:27] <DigiAngel> Ok
[19:27] <DigiAngel> So
[19:27] <DigiAngel> Postfix and dovecot were working great with 12
[19:27] <DigiAngel> After upgrade
[19:28] <DigiAngel> Postfix says the mail was delivered, but dovecot says no messages
[19:28] <DigiAngel> If I set /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf to use mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir
[19:29] <DigiAngel> Dovecot segfaults Oct  4 13:25:01 gateway kernel: [18495.299750] pop3[18142]: segfault at 30 ip b77107f4 sp bfb528dc error 4 in libdovecot-storage.so.0.0.0[b764f000+10c000]
[20:46] <hackeron> hey, is there a command to check how much ram is being used by the kernel for the network receive/transmit buffers?
[20:47] <qman__> I'm having some trouble setting up an ubuntu server as a domain member (samba 4), I followed this: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_a_Samba_AD_Member_Server
[20:47] <qman__> I got everything set up, wbinfo -u and wbinfo -g work, but id, getent don't
[20:47] <qman__> I installed libnss-winbind and libpam-winbind, and configured nsswitch.conf, but that doesn't seem to work for some reason
[21:05] <qman__> figured it out, needed backend = rid instead of backend = ad in the smb.conf
[22:32] <phix> pmatulis: cheers
[22:33] <phix> pmatulis: hmmm it is a distro, I am after an app for Ubuntu
[23:03] <No_one_at_all> Hi, I have a question. We're running an ubuntu server with several large mysql DBs, and we're migrating to a new server. The new server has 32 GB of RAM (same as the old). I'm partitioning the drive right now, and I'm not sure how much swap space to give it. The old one had a 20GB (!) partition, but is currently using 4MB of that.
[23:03] <No_one_at_all> What size should I use? I've researched it slightly, but I'm seeing conflicting stuff.
[23:03] <ikonia> No_one_at_all: no more than 4GB
[23:03] <ikonia> No_one_at_all: base it on how your machine is setup and the legacy use from the old machine
[23:04] <No_one_at_all> ikonia: ok. I don't recall ever seeing it use even 1GB, but I haven't really been keeping tabs


[00:00] <tsimonq2> woah what?
[00:00] <tsimonq2> yakkety_unstable_kdeplasma-addons build successfully
[00:00] <tsimonq2> yofel: can you see what's going on?
[00:01] <yofel> tsimonq2: well, I have shell access and a monitoring attached to the CI, but I can't see anything obviously wrong
[00:01] <tsimonq2> yofel: so then rebuild? :)
[00:02] <yofel> I triggered what you said
[00:02] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:03] <tsimonq2> well, that's a big build queue...
[00:03] <tsimonq2> yofel: did you do a global rebuild? just curious
[00:03] <yofel> oh, the daily job for mgmt_merger just triggered
[00:03] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[00:03] <tsimonq2> yofel: so this isn't all to Kubuntu packaging right?
[00:04] <tsimonq2> from what you have seen, I can do this for hours on end
[00:04] <tsimonq2> but what else is there to do?
[00:04] <yofel> tsimonq2: no, that's the CI part. Which does help with the release packaging, but that is a seperate workflow
[00:04] <tsimonq2> yofel: so what else can I help with? :)
[00:06] <yofel> good question right now, clivejo would probably have a better answer for that. Lets see
[00:08] <yofel> hm, the ci isn't really triggering any builds. Now I wonder whether I either fixed it earlier, or broke it...
[00:09] <yofel> well, it did trigger breeze-gtk because of an SCM change, so I guess it's working..
[00:11] <tsimonq2> yofel: what happens to these CI builds next?
[00:11] <yofel> they go on, until a new upstream release happens. At which the kubuntu-automation tooling that generates the release packages goes and merges kubuntu_unstable into kubuntu_yakkety_archive.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> where's that?
[00:12] <yofel> that way getting the new release done is very little work, as long as the CI packages are in a good shape
[00:12] <yofel> tsimonq2: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation
[00:12] <yofel> currently being reworked, the README is for the old and still used scripts
[00:12] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:13] <tsimonq2> yofel: what about my two outstanding MPs? :D
[00:13] <yofel> sec
[00:13] <tsimonq2> k
[00:17] <yofel> done
[00:17] <yofel> and the merger is done too
[00:17] <yofel> aaaaaaaaaaand it triggered 440 builds
[00:18] <yofel> sitter: Is it really supposed to do that? ^
[00:22] <tsimonq2> yofel: thanks :)
[00:25] <yofel> # docker --version
[00:25] <yofel> Docker version 1.6.2, build 7c8fca2
[00:25] <yofel> hm, I wonder if we can update that...
[00:34] <tsimonq2> yofel: if there is a file listed in the install file that is no longer present, do you remove it?
[00:35] <tsimonq2> right?
[00:35] <yofel> yes, otherwise the package won't build
[00:36] <tsimonq2> alright
[00:49] <tsimonq2> well I'm off to bed, thanks for all of your help yofel
[00:49] <tsimonq2> o/
[00:50] <yofel> tsimonq2: nini, thanks to you for fixing so much!
[01:09] <leumas> Hi All, please see error generated by Steam  https://goo.gl/FxAncA PLease help me resolve this.
[01:22] <yofel> leumas: #kubuntu for support please
[01:28] <yofel> wheee
[01:28] <yofel> figured out how to run a vanilla kernel on linode. I have a working docker in lxd \o/
[01:35] <valorie> nice!
[01:35] <valorie> will you use that for builds, or what?
[01:41] <ahoneybun> I just got the email about that boot
[01:46] <yofel> valorie: trying to put another jenkins executor on linode
[01:46] <valorie> nice!
[01:46] <yofel> now I have to figure out how to set *that* up :P
[01:47] <valorie> I'm assuming you never sleep
[01:47] <yofel> well, soon I will. I am getting sleepy after all
[01:48] <valorie> news from Munich is so bad
[01:48] <valorie> and sad
[01:48] <yofel> indeed
[02:02] <yofel> ok, jenkins can now talk to linode...
[02:24] <ahoneybun> jenkins talks to the lxc?
[02:24] <yofel> it talks to the container over ssh
[02:24] <yofel> I already got it to do *something* http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_modemmanager-qt/190/console
[02:25] <yofel> now the problem is how to deploy the ci-tooling to the slave
[02:25] <valorie> neato
[02:26] <yofel> and that not all jobs that should run on all slaves are matrix jobs :/
[02:28] <yofel> although, the docker cleanup can just be a cronjob..
[02:35] <yofel> and there goes LP again..
[02:39]  * mamarley kicks LP.
[06:24] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: if you look at the failed plasma-desktop build timestamp in it's name, it predates the packaging change I made to fix the appstream data. so the sources were generated pre my change, but it just got queue for a stupidly long time
[06:25] <acheronuk> and it's successor build with the change has never quite got to build yet. was in the queue when the queue was cleared yesterday I thing
[09:44] <santa_> good morning everyone
[09:49] <yofel> moin
[09:49] <acheronuk> morning :)
[10:31] <santa_> offtopic: just got into lxc containers and this seems awesome
[10:36]  * yofel spent half of the night making docker work in priviledged lxd containers
[10:36] <yofel> lxc is great though, and I recommend reading https://www.stgraber.org/2016/03/11/lxd-2-0-blog-post-series-012/ for lxd
[10:37] <clivejo> are you planning to build stuff on the new Linode server?
[10:38] <yofel> I want a kci slave on linode
[10:38] <yofel> the slave works, docker too now. But now I don't get how to deploy the docker containers for the ci
[10:38] <yofel> rake can't find some ruby modules for some reason
[10:40] <santa_> I am investigating lxc to migrate my ppa simulation invention from libvirt on top of kvm
[10:40] <santa_> right now I'm feeling better working with it directly, without lxd
[10:41] <santa_> docker seems it wouldn't be appropiate as I need persistent storage
[10:41] <yofel> right, if you want system containers you want lxc. And lxc does give you a bit more flexibility than lxd
[10:41] <acheronuk> KCI seems to be stalled waiting for that linode docker container, which is offline?
[10:42] <yofel> o.O
[10:43] <yofel> lets see if I can abort that
[10:43] <acheronuk> s/docker/lxc or whatever
[10:43]  * yofel didn't think it would wait on the offline slave
[10:44] <acheronuk> that got it moving again :)
[10:49] <acheronuk> clivejo: Is apps staging for xenial meant to have Qt 5.6.1 in it?
[10:50] <clivejo> no :(
[10:50] <clivejo> I forgot that was there when I copied frameworks
[10:50] <acheronuk> it want to remove my plasma, as I'm still on 5.6.5 on this main machine
[10:51] <acheronuk> ah.. right
[10:51] <clivejo> eakk
[10:51]  * acheronuk disables apps staging for now
[10:54] <clivejo> what is it trying to remove?
[10:55]  * clivejo shouldnt have sat up chatting to Maro so late last night
[10:55] <clivejo> I feel so hungover today
[10:56] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20584915/
[10:56] <clivejo> wow
[10:57] <clivejo> with all the changes with apps (missing and disabled packages) maybe I should klear the staging-apps PPA
[10:58] <clivejo> and redo them
[10:58] <clivejo> how does this work Yofel?
[10:59] <clivejo> On YY Im on Qt5.6.1, Plasma 5.7.2 and having problem will apps not being Qt5.6.1
[11:00] <acheronuk> lol. back to front then
[11:00] <clivejo> plasma-discover seems to be broken
[11:00] <acheronuk> I posted about discover yesterday
[11:00] <yofel> you might as well
[11:00] <clivejo> really I need YY Apps to be built on Qt5.6.1
[11:00] <yofel> as long as all fixes are in git, that should be easy
[11:00] <clivejo> are the package lists fixed now?
[11:01] <yofel> yes
[11:01] <clivejo> ie a git-do-all should now see them
[11:01] <santa_> git-clone-all
[11:02] <santa_> but it doesn't use the static package names lists
[11:02] <acheronuk> clivejo: one prob is plasma-discover 5.7.2 depends packagekit >= 1.0
[11:02] <acheronuk> and some obsolete plasma-discover 5.6.5 packages maybe
[11:03] <acheronuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20467363/
[11:03] <acheronuk> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/20468770/
[11:03] <acheronuk> what I posted yesterday ^^^
[11:06] <clivejo> why does muon have an epoch
[11:08] <clivejo> whats building that package
[11:08] <yofel> muon is from muon
[11:08] <yofel> and it had one for a long time
[11:09] <clivejo> is muon being released again?
[11:09] <yofel> huh? weren't you one of the people that fixed it last cycle?
[11:09] <clivejo> yes, but it wasnt released
[11:09] <clivejo>  muon-updater (4:5.7.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1)
[11:10] <clivejo> that package came from staging
[11:11] <clivejo> I worked on the Muon Package Manager
[11:12] <yofel> that is not from muon, but a transitional package from discover
[11:14] <clivejo> ah yes
[11:15] <clivejo> muon-discover depends on plasma-discover-updater
[11:16] <clivejo> but dont see that being created by that control file
[11:18] <clivejo> my head is just not in the zone today
[11:19] <clivejo> Neon has a plasma-discover-updater.install while Debian doesnt
[11:19] <acheronuk> That YY VM had been updated multiple times, so I can't guarantee there wasn't some left over oddities on it
[11:19] <acheronuk> can try a clean one leter maybe
[11:20] <clivejo> my recent merge with debian removed those packages
[11:20] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/discover/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=29d2a111eb591d7bb5c5bc7954223b13f8eb7d70
[11:24] <yofel> urgh, now jenkins has a hardcoded apt-cache host
[11:26] <yofel> 11:24:50 gpg: keyblock resource `/var/lib/jenkins/tooling/gnupg/secring.gpg': file open error
[11:26] <yofel> oops
[11:52] <soee> hiho
[11:57] <yofel> 11:54:42 D: Writing logfile: /var/lib/jenkins/workspaces/yakkety/unstable/gwenview/build/gwenview_16.04.3+p16.10+git20160723.1156-0_source.ppa.upload
[11:57] <yofel> 11:54:42 Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:57] <yofel> FINALLY
[11:58] <soee> to archive ?
[11:59] <yofel> soee: I'm setting up another build executor for KCI, but the tooling is really not intended for that......
[12:03] <soee> on the linode vps ?
[12:04] <yofel> yes
[12:05] <soee> do we have already some running ?
[12:05] <yofel> soee: "some" ?
[12:08] <yofel> the linode is running, and has an LXD setup mostly meant for packaging setup on it if people need a server to work on
[12:08] <yofel> I now put a jenkins slave in an lxd container http://kci.pangea.pub/computer/linode-01/
[12:08] <yofel> which... took a while...
[12:10] <soee> ah i thought we were talking about building instances not for users but kci
[12:10] <soee> so the one that grabs stuff from git tries to build it etc.
[12:10] <yofel> ah no, it was primarily meant for users, but the server has plenty of resources so it could be used for that
[12:11] <soee> unused resources are lost resources ;D
[12:11] <yofel> that was what harald wanted to do back when he first set the ci up
[12:11] <soee> we shudl use all we can
[12:11] <yofel> yes, esp. as that linode is actually somewhat expensive if we had to pay for it ^^
[12:11] <acheronuk> and hopefully won't run out of memory? ;)
[12:11] <yofel> kci has 4G, linode 24G
[12:11] <soee> if users want to build something and need more resources some kce instancs could be pasued than
[12:11] <yofel> a "bit" more :P
[12:12] <yofel> but the memory issues is a docker bug I believe
[12:12] <yofel> you find verious bug reports if you look for it
[12:12] <soee> hmm
[12:12] <acheronuk> yofel: yes, I was jesting
[12:12] <yofel> but I don't want to upgrade docker 1.6 to 1.11 without having a fallback slave
[12:12] <soee> tried: http://kubernetes.io ?
[12:13] <yofel> the linode slave runs 1.11, so we'll see
[12:14] <yofel> no, I know that harald or rohan had played with docker swarm, but the tooling requires far too much handwork in the setup currently
[12:14] <yofel> so fixing that comes first
[12:14] <yofel> someone also needs to look at the changes he did for NCI
[12:15] <acheronuk> NCI even has sound effects :P
[12:16]  * acheronuk runs
[12:16] <yofel> sounds like harald alright
[12:24] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:24] <yofel> heyho
[12:25] <yofel> YES, the slave built gwenview
[12:25] <yofel> lets add some more executors
[12:27] <yofel> hm, might as well overdo it while I'm at it
[12:30] <clivejo> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~kubuntu-ci/ubuntu/unstable'.
[12:30] <clivejo> back to front?
[12:31] <yofel> clivejo: where did you see that?
[12:31] <clivejo> in the console log
[12:31] <acheronuk> ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable
[12:31] <yofel> clivejo: of *what*?
[12:31] <acheronuk> oh. right
[12:32] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kshisen/53/console
[12:32] <clivejo> 12:25:37
[12:32] <yofel> 12:27:04 make: *** Cannot allocate memory.  Stop.
[12:32] <yofel> well, master
[12:32]  * yofel set 32 executors on linode-01
[12:33] <yofel> lets see how that works out:D
[12:33] <clivejo> you trying to make it go boom?!?
[12:33] <acheronuk> 32 :D
[12:33] <acheronuk> stress test...
[12:34] <clivejo> I thought the executors had to be set to stop Jenkins crashing
[12:34] <acheronuk> you might kill launchpad
[12:34] <yofel> uhm, according to dstat and zabbix, that uses barely any resources, a bunch of disk IO and +1.2G memory
[12:34] <acheronuk> wow
[12:36] <yofel> uhm, ok. I did kill it
[12:37] <yofel> btrfs that is -.-
[12:37]  * yofel does desaster recovery
[12:37] <clivejo> LOL
[12:37]  * clivejo thinks yofel is having fun!
[12:38] <yofel> :P
[12:38] <yofel> uh oh
[12:38] <yofel> [39693.784549] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at fffffffffffffe58
[12:38] <yofel> [39693.784557] IP: [<ffffffffc00a5d2c>] __btrfs_unlink_inode+0x1c/0x470 [btrfs]
[12:38] <yofel> grr
[12:38] <clivejo> have to ping BS?
[12:39] <yofel> lets see if I can trigger a hard reset
[12:44] <clivejo> what did you kill the linode or KCI machine?
[12:45] <yofel> linode
[12:45] <clivejo> oh
[12:45] <yofel> I guess btrfs couldn't handle the kernel 4.5 -> 4.4 downgrade
[12:46] <yofel> because I'm running it in other places under heavy stress in 4.4 and it runs fine
[12:47] <clivejo> acheronuk: sorry for cancelling you project yesterday
[12:48] <yofel> ok, linode back up
[12:48] <yofel> lets see
[12:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: no problem at all. I'm in no hurry. I was more pleased to see Simon getting stuck in
[12:49] <clivejo> well that was the intention behind it
[12:49] <clivejo> its nice to see things happen!
[12:50] <acheronuk> If he's back later, perhaps he can look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274580284/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kwidgetsaddons_5.24.0+p16.10+git20160723.0238-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:50] <yofel> hm, btrfsck doesn't see anything, but I don't trust that fs structure anymore :S
[12:50] <clivejo> did all his merge reqests get pushed?
[12:51] <yofel> or hm, lets try again
[12:51] <acheronuk> clivejo: think so. yofel was doing them v late
[12:51] <clivejo> how is he so perky today!
[12:52] <clivejo> I feel like I could sleep for a week
[12:52] <acheronuk> I felt like that earlier in the week. Now it's cooler I'm better
[12:53] <yofel> when I'm angry I don't need sleep :P
[12:53] <yofel> and jenkins makes you angry
[12:53] <clivejo> do you drink coffee?
[12:54] <acheronuk> me or yfl?
[12:55] <acheronuk> I think I've now become mostly immune to caffeine. Doesn't help like it used to....
[12:56] <clivejo> yofel
[12:56] <clivejo> I dont drink it
[12:56] <clivejo> but thinking I should start!
[12:56] <yofel> at work I do
[12:56] <clivejo> Im in a strange mood today
[13:06] <soee> ^.^
[13:40] <clivejo> thats one way to clear a queue
[13:41] <clivejo> yofel: the container you setup for packaging, is it shared for all the packagers?
[13:42] <yofel> it's shared for whoever has his key in the ubuntu account
[13:42] <clivejo> so for access to depot who ssh key would it use?
[13:42] <yofel> you can either use one for all, or make a container for each person
[13:43] <yofel> none, it doesn't have access right now
[13:43] <yofel> as for that, the container needs its own ssh key
[13:43] <clivejo> I dont fancy putting my keys on it :/
[13:43] <yofel> just make a password less key in the container and add that to depot
[13:43] <yofel> just make sure to remind people to not take that key out of there
[13:44] <clivejo> what about git access to LP?
[13:44] <yofel> there is no push access unless someone decides whose user will be the proxy
[13:45] <yofel> that's why I personally recommend one container per person
[13:45] <yofel> and you can invite people to use yours as needed
[13:46] <clivejo> can we use one of the kubuntu accounts as a proxy?
[13:46] <clivejo> ie create a key for kubuntu-packagers
[13:46] <yofel> no, please don't do that
[13:46] <yofel> rather create a new user and add the key to that
[13:47] <yofel> well, packagers is a team, so you couldn't add a key to that anyway
[13:47] <clivejo> how would you do it?
[13:48] <clivejo> the kubuntu-ci seems to be an actual account
[13:48] <yofel> use my account, add a new key to it, give people access to my container while i'm watching them, then kick them out when I have to leave
[13:50] <clivejo> yellow belts is a team too?
[13:50] <yofel> yes
[13:50] <yofel> yellow belts should not be member of packagers anyway
[13:51] <clivejo> would setting up abrand new account, something like kubuntu-training or something work?
[13:52] <yofel> well, feel free to, as long as it doesn't give people unreviewed committ access to kubuntu-packagers
[13:53] <clivejo> hummm
[14:36] <clivejo> yofel: is my key still on dev.kubuntu.co.uk ?
[14:37] <clivejo> cant log in
[14:37] <yofel> how are you trying to?
[14:37] <clivejo> ssh dev.kubuntu.co.uk
[14:38] <yofel> hm, it seems to be there
[14:38] <clivejo> Host dev.kubuntu.co.uk
[14:38] <clivejo>     User ubuntu
[14:38] <clivejo>     IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_clivejo
[14:38] <yofel> what's the error?
[14:38] <yofel> oh, wrong user
[14:39] <clivejo> whats the username?
[14:39] <yofel> 'clivejo' on port 22 will give you the host. 'ubuntu' on a different port will give you a container
[14:39] <yofel> although, it seems one of the port mappings got lost in the reboot :/
[14:40] <clivejo> just want a container
[14:40] <yofel> clivejo: try port 2201
[14:41] <clivejo> in
[14:49] <yofel> clivejo: sorry, jenkins killed the server again
[14:49] <acheronuk> linode KCI node just fell over?
[14:49] <acheronuk> oh
[14:49] <clivejo> I figured!
[14:49] <yofel> I think I need to recreate that FS :(
[14:49] <yofel> Jul 23 14:47:14 ubuntu kernel: BTRFS: error (device sdc1) in btrfs_rename:9374: errno=-2 No such entry
[14:49] <yofel> Jul 23 14:47:14 ubuntu kernel: BTRFS info (device sdc1): forced readonly
[14:51] <yofel> I'll try to do a quick reboot to get your container back up and leave jenkins down
[14:51] <yofel> then I'll be gone for a while
[14:51]  * clivejo cries
[14:51] <clivejo> my poor container
[14:51] <clivejo> you killed it!
[14:53] <clivejo> how do I get my terminal back :/
[14:53] <clivejo> packet_write_wait: Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> port 2201: Broken pipe
[14:53] <clivejo> ah
[14:53] <yofel> clivejo: should work again
[14:54] <yofel> as long as you don't do jenkins-level crazy things nothing bad should happen
[14:54] <yofel> I'll recreate the setup on a clean filesystem in the evening
[14:54] <yofel> bbl
[14:56] <clivejo> ok
[14:56] <clivejo> have fun
[15:00] <clivejo> :(
[15:01] <clivejo> git-clone-all uses depot :(
[16:47] <ahoneybun> lots of action today yofel lol
[16:58] <soee> this saturday is sponsored by letter R like  Red :-)
[17:05] <acheronuk> plasma-desktop is about to go GREEN
[17:19] <soee> \o/
[17:28] <tsimonq2> o/
[17:28] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ahh I see
[17:29] <tsimonq2> yofel: no problem, it's nice to learn this stuff :)
[17:31] <tsimonq2> I'll fix something before I go
[17:36] <clivejo> grrrr
[17:38] <tsimonq2> yofel: the failure on xenial_unstable_dolphin is an internal error, not related to the package
[17:38] <tsimonq2> o/ for now
[17:39] <clivejo> lot of internal errors at the moment
[17:41] <clivejo> yofel: is it posible to run the staging script again?
[18:28] <yofel> re
[18:29] <yofel> clivejo: staging script is unaffected by what I do. Regarding the deleted packages: try it
[18:30] <yofel> if you don't see them as Deleted on the delete page anymore you're fine
[18:30] <yofel> clivejo: do you need linode? I would like to take that offline
[18:30] <clivejo> nope, go ahead
[18:30] <yofel> and I think I should be reading up on lvm...
[18:33] <acheronuk> hmmm... wiki won't let me create a page
 Yea the wiki is kinda broken for login
 Well it works at times
[18:34] <yofel> wiki modification is also restricted to specific teams
[18:34] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I'm logged in from the ubunutu side
 Well pagea
 Not making one
[18:35] <clivejo> the wiki sucks!
 Well
[18:35] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: "You are not allowed to copy this page!"
 Copy mine
[18:35] <yofel> last I heard was: The wikis are locked down to only two teams: ~ubuntu-members and a
[18:35] <yofel> Canonical team.
[18:35] <acheronuk> yofel: great!
[18:36] <acheronuk> just as well I'm not in a huge hurry to do it!
[18:36] <yofel> ah, there's also ~ubuntu-wiki-editors for non-members
[18:37] <acheronuk> yofel: so I could join that with the justification of creating a profile page?
[18:39] <clivejo> OSM have a thriving mediawiki install ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page ) why on earth cant Ubuntu ?
 Oh
[18:39] <yofel> probably...? popey is the team owner, so maybe ask him in #ubuntu-devel?
[18:41] <acheronuk> yofel: may do that then, they should at least know how to sort it, even if I can't join the team
[18:41] <yofel> right
[18:42] <acheronuk> but after the weekend. no rush on this. I just had a urge to start doing it, and was thwarted
[18:43] <yofel> oh, I know that feeling combined with the wiki...
[18:43] <clivejo> did valorie bribe you with cookies?
[18:43] <yofel> I didn't get cookies when I applied :(
[18:44] <acheronuk> I want ginger biscuits
[18:44] <clivejo> I still havent got them!
[18:44] <clivejo> I feel cheated!
[18:50] <clivejo> yofel: should apps 16.04.3 be built on Qt5.6.1?
[18:51] <yofel> for yakkety yes, for xenial... probably too as we're almost done with plasma 5.7
[19:02] <clivejo> why wont git-clone-all grab libkgeomap ?
[19:04] <yofel> dunno
[19:05] <clivejo> did you map it?
[19:06] <yofel> git-clone-all doesn't use our maps, but creates a package list directly from depot
[19:06] <yofel> see kubuntu-automation/.cache/
[19:07]  * clivejo beats head off the table
[19:18] <clivejo> I give up!
[19:33] <jimarvan> :)
[19:48] <yofel> ok, so lets try to kill the server again...
[19:53] <clivejo> kill it, kill it
[20:03] <jimarvan> :O
[20:04] <yofel> better, I was reconfiguring the docker bridge
[20:04] <yofel> because our ci builders for some reason expect apt-cacher-ng to be available at <IP_ADDRESS>:3142
[20:05] <yofel> ok, that built, so let hell break loose
[20:06] <yofel> hm.....
[20:06] <yofel> well that didn't go too well
[20:07] <jimarvan> ....
[20:08] <jimarvan> :S
[20:08] <jimarvan> that must have hurt xD
[20:08] <yofel> I never set up RVM
[20:08] <yofel> now how do I do that...
[20:13] <clivejo> apt install rvm
[20:17] <yofel> that's not a thing
[20:17] <yofel> but I got that installed
[20:17] <yofel> but now it's failing to actually install the correct rvm ruby *-.-
[20:17] <clivejo> is it not ?!? *whistles*
[20:19] <yofel> I'm somewhat tempted to just tar up the freakin' rvm env from river and copy it to linode
[20:20] <yofel> or let me try something else
[20:20] <clivejo> whats river?
[20:21] <yofel> kci hostname
[20:21] <yofel> sry
[20:21] <yofel> ok, using root seems to work
[20:22] <yofel> oh great, now it's compiling ruby......
[20:25] <yofel> Error loading RubyGems plugin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>cannot load such file -- gem-wrappers (LoadError)
[20:25] <yofel> what?!?
[20:54] <yofel> finally...
[21:03] <blaze> so green, am i in a forest?
[21:12] <yofel> ok, btrfs can't handle parallel trashing on 64 subvolumes. bummer
[21:13] <yofel> ext4+overlayfs it is I guess
[21:14] <clivejo> you seem to be enjoying yourself !
[21:14] <yofel> I am actually
[21:14] <yofel> .P
[21:16] <clivejo> kinda wish I could look over your shoulder and watch an expert at work!
[21:17] <yofel> an expert that googles like every 2nd command because he has barely any idea about ruby environments? :P
[21:17] <yofel> at least I have backups, so setting this up agains should take an hour at most
[21:19] <clivejo> I think I nodded off for a few minutes just there :/
[21:22] <clivejo> so if I kopy qt,fw and plasma from the staging-plasma and build apps 16.04.3 on those?
[21:24] <clivejo> Ive bumped Qt to 5.6.1, FW to 5.24 and Plasma to 5.7.2
[21:24] <clivejo> and hopefully got all the apps this time!
[21:30] <yofel> yeah, should work
[21:52] <clivejo> yofel: did you send out an email regarding downgrade of those packaged with bad epochs?
[21:52] <yofel> no, I forgot about that -.-
[21:53] <yofel> that were too many parallel discussions yesterday
[21:53] <clivejo> I know!
[22:16] <clivejo> yofel: I deleted all the packages in staging-kdeapplications
[22:17] <yofel> now or earlier?
[22:17] <clivejo> but LP is rejecting all my uploads
[22:17] <clivejo> earlier
[22:17] <yofel> what's an example reject message?
[22:17] <clivejo> File zeroconf-ioslave_16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1.debian.tar.xz already exists in Kubuntu Staging KDE Applications, but uploaded version has different contents.
[22:18] <clivejo> should I redo them as ppa10 or something?
[22:18] <yofel> oh, you'll have to upload something higher than ppa1 then. I guess it didn't delete the metadata yet
[22:20] <clivejo> grrr
[22:33] <clivejo> LP doesnt nothing fast!
[22:34] <santa_> I have my doubts that would work, but go ahead and try
[22:35] <clivejo> LOL
[22:35] <clivejo> We have recently noticed you made a claim for tax refund of lb235.84
[22:35] <clivejo> idiots
[22:36] <clivejo> wrong pounds
[22:39] <yofel> 22:33:02 Error on retry_it(unknown) :: Container command '/var/lib/jenkins/ci-tooling/kci/builder.rb' not found or does not exist.
[22:39] <yofel> this tooling is cursed I tell you
[22:40] <clivejo> booby traps
[22:48] <yofel> ok, mergers work again
[23:06] <clivejo> yofel: is it working again?
[23:06] <yofel> no, rake is being a though opponent
[23:08]  * clivejo nods and smiles
[23:10] <clivejo> yofel: can I do a LP push?
[23:10] <yofel> sure
[23:10] <clivejo> need to pause?
[23:10] <yofel> that wouldn't work right now
[23:10] <clivejo> ok Ill go ahead and push
[23:13] <clivejo> how does it do mergers without any executors?
[23:15] <yofel> it won't do any
[23:52] <clivejo> yofel: ark seems to have lost its epoch in KA
[23:55] <clivejo> and Ive no idea why
[23:55] <clivejo> its in https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/packaging-exceptions.json
[23:56] <yofel> new or old tooling? That's only for the old one
[23:57] <clivejo> old one
[23:57] <clivejo> I run the staging-upload script again
[23:57] <clivejo> looking at previous LP upload emails
[23:58] <clivejo> [~kubuntu-ppa/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/xenial] ark 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 (Accepted)
[23:58] <clivejo> that was a few days ago
[23:58] <clivejo> but this morning - [~kubuntu-ppa/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications] ark_16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa10_source.changes (Rejected)
[23:59] <yofel> ah, the epoch is not part of the filename
[23:59] <clivejo> whats changed?