[00:00] <jcuba89> i dont understand
[00:00] <wxl> could you send me a screenshot?
[00:00] <jcuba89> dont know how
[00:00] <wxl> open the terminal
[00:00] <jcuba89> just tell me what to do
[00:00] <jcuba89> ok
[00:00] <wxl> type scrot and hit enter
[00:01] <wxl> then open a browser and go to share.riseup.net
[00:01] <wxl> click the upload button
[00:01] <wxl> navigate to your home folder and click on the file named something like 2018-05-01-1800419_800x600_scrot.png
[00:02] <wxl> when it's uploaded copy the url
[00:02] <wxl> then paste it here
[00:02] <jcuba89> forget it, thank you anyway
[00:03] <wxl> you figured it out?
[00:03] <jcuba89> no
[00:03] <wxl> then what's wrong?
[00:03] <jcuba89> what you told me
[00:03] <wxl> what do you mean?
[00:03] <jcuba89> is just too hard
[00:03] <wxl> which part is too hard?
[00:03] <jcuba89> Im new in lubuntu
[00:03] <wxl> so maybe getting to the terminal is the hard part for you
[00:03] <wxl> ok let's start over
[00:03] <jcuba89> all of it
[00:04] <jcuba89> ok
[00:04] <wxl> can you find the print screen key on your keyboard?
[00:04] <jcuba89> How can i see every window im using?
[00:04] <wxl> there's not a thing like fancy bloated desktop environments have that allow you to do that per se
[00:05] <wxl> oh hey i have an idea. let's do this in reverse
[00:05] <jcuba89> ????????????????
[00:05] <wxl> one second
[00:05] <jcuba89> ..............
[00:06] <tsimonq2> !patience
[00:06] <wxl> here's a screen shot of my desktop
[00:06] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#wOMCa13g_vKRIFQTLfMv7w
[00:06] <wxl> do you see the section at the bottom? where the lxde logo is and the icons and the time? do you have that on your system?
[00:07] <wxl> maybe i should take a less confusing picture. this is in a virtual machine :/
[00:07] <wxl> there https://share.riseup.net/#oG9Q7GGF95nTjS3hqZUo1A
[00:08] <wxl> look below the wallpaper. there's a "panel" there. do you have one on your desktop?
[00:08] <jcuba89> i do
[00:08] <wxl> good
[00:09] <wxl> do you have any active windows open right now that you know of?
[00:09] <jcuba89> i do
[00:09] <wxl> good
[00:09] <wxl> do you see them listed in between the icon that looks like a map and the icon that looks like a window?
[00:09] <jcuba89> no
[00:09] <wxl> ok
[00:10] <wxl> then you might have deleted the part of the panel that shows them by accident
[00:10] <jcuba89> maybe
[00:10] <jcuba89> what can i do?
[00:10] <wxl> right click on an empty part of the panel
[00:10] <wxl> a grey part
[00:10] <wxl> one of the options is "add/remove panel items." click it.
[00:11] <jcuba89> ...
[00:11] <wxl> that will pop open a windows called "panel preferences"
[00:11] <wxl> it will be already on the "panel applets" tab
[00:11] <wxl> click the add button
[00:12] <wxl> you should already have selected the "application launch and task bar" but if not, click on that and hit add
[00:12] <wxl> it will show up on the right side of the panel
[00:13] <wxl> if you don't like that (i don't), you can click on the "application launch and task bar" in the "currently loaded plugins" list and then hit the "up" and "down" buttons until you get it where you like
[00:13] <wxl> then hit close
[00:13] <jcuba89> yes!
[00:13] <jcuba89> thank you!
[00:13] <wxl> no problem
[00:13] <wxl> just so we're clear: you accidentially removed that
[00:13] <jcuba89> it appears so
[00:14] <wxl> if you right click on the empty space in that "application launch and task bar" you can see one of the options is "remove application launch and task bar from panel"
[00:14] <wxl> don't hit that :)
[00:14] <jcuba89> thanks again
[00:14] <wxl> no prob
[00:14] <wxl> be well
[14:53] <stelladew> none of the macdesktop downloads are working?  any help appreciated.
 @stelladew, Lubuntu.me?
[15:06] <stelladew> requested url not found
[15:41] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Is Cosmic usable?
[15:41] <mpmc> Does it need testing?
[16:30] <tsimonq2> mpmc: Give or take. Testing would be cool.
[16:30] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Well, I tested it on my C720, it kind of works, I just get a live session though.
[16:31] <mpmc> No option to install.
[16:31] <tsimonq2> Right, I need to mess with it a bit yet.
[16:32] <mpmc> tsimonq2: It works though, if a bit wonky in places =D
[16:33] <tsimonq2> mpmc: Could you do me a favor?
[16:33] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Depends on what it is.
[16:34] <tsimonq2> It'd be great to get someone to go through and nitpick everything, and write it all up intoo one reporr.
[16:34] <tsimonq2> -report
[16:34] <tsimonq2> grr (no spellcheck on mobile)
 Ah, this is better.
 But yeah, if you go through and note *everything* you see that's wrong or off, that would be absolutely excellent.
 (So we have a baseline.)
[16:37] <mpmc> tsimonq2: honestly, there isn't much, it's mainly just menu items, Qterminal is listed twice (Qterminal / Qterminal drop down), and some of the others are less descriptive, nm-tray, qps, htop etc, with a few minor duplicates.
 I will keep that in mind. Anything else? What about default settings?
[16:42] <mpmc> tsimonq2: Ack, found a small bug, going into the config center -> Appearances -> Clicking on bb10dark makes the config center vanish!
 OK.
[16:44] <mpmc> The item list stretches too.
[16:44] <mpmc> Other than that, it's looking good!
 OK.
 Sweet. Thanks!
[17:35] <wellick> hi, does anyone know if lubuntu comes with a virtual keyboard installed? I've installed it (lubuntu) but some of my keys don't work. But to install a virtual keyboard i need the keys to work so I can connect to the wi-fi. it's a conundrum. any ideas?
[17:37] <wxl> wellick: sadly, no. i don't think xvkbd is standard on anything
[17:38] <wellick> yes i've just checked, there's no virtual keyboard pre-installed on lubuntu. the problem is lubuntu's terminal also doesn't seem to let me past characters into it!
[17:38] <wellick> *paste
[17:41] <wxl> works fine here
[17:41] <diogenes_> wellick, right click and paste
[17:41] <wxl> ctrl+shift+v
[17:41] <wxl> ^^ or that
[17:41] <wxl> both work fine in 18.04
[17:41] <wellick> i tried all that
[17:41] <wxl> it's quite possible you haven't succeeded in copying
[17:41] <wellick> when I ctrl+V i get "^V" on the terminal
[17:42] <wxl> then you didn't try what i suggested, did you?
[17:42] <wxl> 1041 < wxl:#lubuntu> ctrl+shift+v
[17:42] <diogenes_> wellick, or just download the florence.deb, right click on it and install
[17:42] <wellick> ahh, it worked
[17:42] <wellick> nevermind :D
[17:44] <wxl> oh yeah florence too. missed that one.
[17:48] <wellick> "sudo apt-get install florence"?
[17:48] <wxl> yep
[17:48] <wxl> or xvkbd
[17:48] <wellick> "E: unable to locate package florence"
[17:48] <wellick> hm :/
[17:48] <wxl> sudo apt update first
[17:48] <diogenes_> yep, update then florence
[17:49] <diogenes_> another good one that i use, is onboard
[17:49] <diogenes_> highly customizable
[17:49] <wxl> ah couldn't find that one because i was searching for virtual
[17:50] <wellick> i gotta get my usb keyboard to work eventually. didn't work on ubuntu but i didn't troubleshoot.
[17:50] <wxl> seems to be included in several flavors
[18:07] <lyn||orian> yes onboard is nice it seems to work widely I was ssuprised when it worked in i3 tiling window manager
[20:16] <egy> In 16.04, I always cannot get back to my graphical display after locking my screen. Any ideas on where to look for the root cause ?
[20:17] <egy> systemctl status lightdm.service *used* to show one interesting line, but now it isn't
[20:18] <wxl> egy: nothing in the normal logs?
[20:21] <egy> wxl: ugh which logs do you mean ?
[20:22] <wxl> egy: you have lots of logs in /var/log. dmesg, syslog, Xorg.0.log are all good places to start.
[20:22] <egy> and btw, same thing applies for suspending my computer. I always have to go to a tty, systemctl restart lightdm and lost all work
[20:22] <egy> ok
[20:37] <egy> ok, I didn't complete my description: when I return back to tty7 (the graphical display), I get a plain blank screen and nothing else. I then switch to a tty and restart the service
[20:38] <egy> https://ghostbin.com/paste/e3unyess
[20:38] <egy> This is from lightdm.log. Does it tell you anything specific ? Password: lightdm
[20:39] <egy> The successful login messages are due to tty6
[20:39] <wxl> nope
[20:39] <wxl> and i wouldn't expect it to be very helpful in that regard
[20:39] <wxl> the issue is most likely something to do with the graphics driver
[20:39] <egy> Or X ?
[20:39] <egy> because it's a new thing
[20:40] <egy> I've been using lubuntu for >1year
[20:40] <wxl> regressions can be a thing
[20:40] <wxl> here's an example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1566302
[20:40] <wxl> note the title
[20:40] <wxl> an upgrade resulted in problematic behavior
[20:41] <egy> I see. Regressions indeed can be nasty
[20:41] <egy> Ok, I'll hope for the best for now
[20:41] <egy> thanks wxl
[20:42] <wxl> np good luck
[21:04] <wellick> thanks for the help a while ago. florence doesn't seem to work... i hit the characters and nothing happens on the screen. onboard does work though.


[07:54] <uber_blade> hi! I am just new to Ubuntu and i want to know if there is an offline version of WUBI.
[16:53] <belkinsa> dpm_ ping
[16:54] <dpm_> hi belkinsa
[16:55] <belkinsa> Are you the one who thought of the idea for LoCo Projects?
[16:55] <dpm_> belkinsa, it was a bit of a brainstorm in the community team, and I'll be working with LoCos on those after the new year
[16:56] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.  Thank you.  Sorry for jumping in to quickly earlier this month.
[17:12] <coolbhavi> dpm_, hey happy holidays and new year in advance
[17:12] <coolbhavi> :)
[17:13] <dpm_> thanks coolbhavi, looking forward to see some more awesomeness from you next year! :-)
[17:13] <dpm_> belkinsa, no worries, you can jump in at any time :)
[17:13] <coolbhavi> dpm_, haha thanks same to you :-)
[17:44] <belkinsa> dpm_, :)
[18:31] <holstein> !lococouncil
[18:31] <ubot2`> The LoCo Council is coolbhavi, costales, jose, SergioMeneses, skellat and PabloRubianes - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:31] <PabloRubianes> holstein: hello
[18:31] <holstein> PabloRubianes: o/
[18:31] <coolbhavi> hey holstein
[18:31] <holstein> PabloRubianes: i might just email.. i have some casual, long-term questions about reviving the loco here.. north carolina
[18:32] <holstein> i didnt know the bot would ping you guys :)
[18:32] <PabloRubianes> holstein: don't worry
[18:32] <coolbhavi> :)
[18:32] <PabloRubianes> also is better to email us so the 5 of us get the question
[18:32] <coolbhavi> +1
[18:33] <holstein> that works for me.. im thinking about plans for spring.. and just trying to gether interest/information over my holiday break
[18:34] <holstein> its a big state, and maybe that is part of the issue getting anything long term happening
[18:34] <holstein> we had talked about splitting it up.. loco east and west or whatever.. but, i think that is overkill for where we are now, which is, just kind of dead, with some idlers in the IRC
[18:35] <holstein> i put a post to our mailing list and had a few interested parties though...
[18:35] <PabloRubianes> holstein: we are working on the loco division but is kind of a difficult topic as we need a global solution
[18:36] <holstein> PabloRubianes: sounds challenging
[18:36] <PabloRubianes> it is
[18:38] <holstein> we actually have a rather active LUG here.. but, there are only a handful of ubuntu users
[18:38] <coolbhavi> holstein, how big is the NC division?
[18:39] <holstein> coolbhavi: you mean, members?
[18:40] <holstein> coolbhavi: its dead now.. pretty much.. we had probably around 20 in the not too distant past that were very active
[18:44] <PabloRubianes> holstein: some other locos are the same as NC
[18:44] <PabloRubianes> the thing is how attract more people to contribute
[18:45] <coolbhavi> hmm
[18:46] <coolbhavi> alright PabloRubianes holstein its quarter past midnight here and time to sleep
[18:46] <coolbhavi> good night!
[18:46] <PabloRubianes> night coolbhavi
[18:46] <coolbhavi> :)
[19:17] <holstein> i have some ideas,and maybe i can implement them here, and check them out.. test the waters.. i'll send an email though, and get the official stance on it


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[01:33] <kobe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAOmw1ln0cU
[01:40] <[Phaedrus] > hey
[01:40] <[Phaedrus] > if you have a http proxy that blocks torrent ports, what are the options?
[07:23] <EmxBA> network manager asks me which Linux distro do I have, because gutsy is not on supported list. This should be updated; should I file a bug on LP?
[07:25] <gnomefreak> EmxBA: nothing but toolchain is in gutsy for the most part it will get updated when the next version is merged/built i wouldnt expect it for a little while
[07:26] <EmxBA> ok, gnomefreak


[00:07] <LaserAllan> hey guys how do i check what kind NIC i have on my system?, i am gogin to install ESXI on the system and so i need to know what NIC i ahve exactly, iknows its not an intel so i need to downlaod the correct drivers the VMware iso so it will be supported.
[00:09] <ianorlin> LaserAllan, what os do you have on there now?
[00:09] <ianorlin> if it is ubuntu server or another unix I would use lspci
[00:10] <LaserAllan> ianorlin: Well currently I have Linuxmint on it but I want to put ESXI on it so i can have more vms
[00:11] <ianorlin> LaserAllan, well you can use lspci from linuxmint
[00:11] <LaserAllan> oh you mean nic
[00:11] <LaserAllan> I know its a realtek
[00:11] <LaserAllan> ah thanks i got a blackout there for a second
[00:11] <LaserAllan> :)
[00:11] <ianorlin> ok you answered your own question
[00:12] <bindi> how can i open a shell during the ubuntu server installation?
[00:12] <ianorlin> bindi, alt f2
[00:12] <bindi> ah, ctrl alt f2
[00:12] <bindi> :p
[00:12] <ianorlin> although that is a bit limited
[00:12] <bindi> shouldve just tried it before asking <.<
[00:12] <bindi> is it?
[00:12] <bindi> i need to do some partitioning
[00:12] <ianorlin> for example ubuntu-bug from there won't work
[00:13] <ianorlin> ah command line partitioning might
[00:13] <sdeziel> LaserAllan: there is also KVM/libvirt to run VMs if you want to stay in known territories
[00:13] <bindi> fdisk not found :p
[00:13] <sdeziel> bindi: IIRC parted should be available
[00:13] <bindi> parted not found either
[00:14] <sdeziel> oh
[00:14] <nacc> you probably need to be far enough along in the installer that hte partitioner is loaded
[00:15] <bindi> lets see
[00:15] <sdeziel> that would explain why I could swear I was using parted at some point :)
[00:15] <bindi> nope
[00:15] <bindi> im in partman and nada
[00:15] <sdeziel> with Xenial, I prefer fdisk now that it properly supports GPT
[00:15] <nacc> parted might need to be installed in the installer environment, dunno what's there by default
[00:16] <ianorlin> nacc not much
[00:16] <nacc> ianorlin: ack, that's my recollection too
[00:16] <bindi> udpkg -i /cdrom/pool/main/p/parted/parted-udeb_3.2-15_amd64.udeb
[00:16] <bindi> hmm :p
[00:17] <bindi> yey
[00:17] <bindi> now how do i drive this
[00:30] <bindi> ugh
[00:30] <bindi> i've never used lvm before
[00:31] <bindi> http://bindibox.net/ul/2016/05/13/5735203b076f0.png i did this and now im looking at http://bindibox.net/ul/2016/05/13/5735204b24919.png
[00:31] <bindi> is this almost right? i think i want to resize the #2 under SCS3I to 5GB
[00:31] <bindi> but how :P
[00:32] <bindi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/623814/install-ubuntu-15-04-with-full-disk-encryption-but-without-swap-partition trying to apply this to server install
[00:32] <bindi> oh i should've done that in parted
[00:32] <bindi> derp
[00:40] <bindi> i still dont get it, ugh
[00:40] <bindi> You need to make an ESP (sda1) (if you use EFI+GPT), a boot partition (256MB for example, sda2), another partition (for example, sda3) that will hold the crypted container called LUKS.
[00:41] <bindi> i made the last two
[00:44] <bindi> ahha, got it i think
[01:15] <bindi> http://bindibox.net/ul/2016/05/13/57352abb5c75b.png
[01:15] <bindi> i disabled my swap and now its stalling on the last command :p
[01:18] <bindi> ahha, had to edit fstab
[01:28] <coreycb> hallyn, arges, zul: I'll look at nova
[01:32] <hallyn> coreycb: thx
[01:33] <hallyn> coreycb: though at this point really it's the only holdup and yeah probably my fault.  i assume you'll need to check whether libvirtd exists, and if not use libvirt
[01:41] <cyphermox> sarnold: live-installer sounds like the right place; I'll check this out.
[01:42] <sarnold> cyphermox: heh, one of these days I swear I'm going to understand all the installers we've got :) thanks
[01:42] <cyphermox> sarnold: if you take too long you're risking we add pieces ;)
[01:43] <sarnold> ahhhhhhh!
[01:43]  * sarnold runs away
[01:43] <cyphermox> seriously though, don't sweat it, I'm taking care of the installers, I'm happy to reassign stuff as I find out that it calls some other piece somewhere else
[01:43] <sarnold> cyphermox: which packages do you follow the bugs on?
[01:43] <sarnold> (maybe that's too many... which -installers-? :)
[01:43] <cyphermox> all the installers
[01:44] <cyphermox> all your installers are belong to us.
[01:44] <sarnold> heheheh
[01:44] <sarnold> thanks cyphermox :)
[06:34] <halvors> Hi. I'm trying to setup a VTI interface with IPv6.
[06:34] <halvors> What i've done is that i've added a tunnel interface.
[06:36] <halvors> ip -6 tunnel add vti1 local fd00::1 remote fd00::2 mode vti6 key 1
[06:36] <halvors> I use strongswan for IPsec terminated in another VTI interface on the other end of the tunnel.
[06:37] <halvors> Everything seems to work fine, the problem is that the tunnel keep dropping packets and is getting collisions.
[06:37] <halvors> When doing the same for IPv4 everything works just fine.
[06:38] <halvors> I also keep getting this message in dmesg: [31370.460037] vti7: Local routing loop detected!
[06:38] <halvors> Where vti7 is my vti interface. vti1 in the command where i added the tunnel was just an example.
[06:38] <halvors> Anyone able to help me with this?
[06:39] <UbuntuDude> hey guys, I've couple of questions: Where can I find a 1st time installation ubuntu web server tutorial? is there a better apache server configuration tool than ApacheGUI?
[06:41] <sarnold> halvors: check ip route output on all machines and see what you can see?
[06:41] <sarnold> UbuntuDude: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/web-servers.html
[06:47] <halvors> sarnold: Cannot find anything wrong here:
[06:47] <halvors> Router01: http://pastebin.com/vajuequ4
[06:48] <halvors> Router02: http://pastebin.com/MHq16Y0r
[06:48] <halvors> <IP_ADDRESS> is router01 and .2 is router02
[06:51] <sarnold> halvors: hmm. i've never done this before :) but I wonder if those shold be /32 routes instead
[07:23] <UbuntuDude> I'm trying sudo apt-get install dkms in order to install Vbox guest additions but it keeps saying unable to locate package dkms!
[07:29] <sarnold> UbuntuDude: did apt-get update give any errors?
[07:36] <halvors> sarnold: How do i do that.
[07:37] <sarnold> halvors: no idea
[10:32] <LaserAllan> hey guys, if i have lets say a folder where half is 720p and the other half is lets say 480p those are in the actual filenames, can i do a command that will basically delete all the 480p files?
[10:33] <thekrynn_> rm *480p*
[10:33] <thekrynn_> i would do a ls *480p* first
[10:33] <thekrynn_> just to make sure
[10:36] <LaserAllan> thekrynn_: ok lemme do that then :)
[13:26] <Guest22471> hello i am on ubuntu 14.4
[13:26] <Guest22471> how can i had my own dns ?
[13:26] <Guest22471> i need to configure my own dns
[13:27] <Guest22471> something like ns1.dahliaco.com and ns2.dahliaco.com
[13:27] <Guest22471> how can i do that ?
[13:27] <Guest22471> someone please help me
[13:56] <RoyK> Guest22471: just setup bind
[13:56] <RoyK> !bind
[13:57] <RoyK> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorials/bind/
[13:57] <RoyK> perhaps
[14:04] <jrwren> there is also a bind chapter in server guide IIRC
[14:05] <jrwren> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/serverguide/dns.html
[14:39] <jonah> hi can anyone please help. For some reason I can't start mysql on my ubuntu server. It was working great and then I updated a kernel, then I couldn't boot so I removed the latest kernel. But now my websites won't load up and mysql is reported to not be running!
[14:39] <jonah> i get this error when I try to start it start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.11" (uid=1000 pid=5685 comm="start mysql ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")
[14:41] <rbasak> jonah: what do the logs say?
[14:41] <JanC> jonah: Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[14:41] <jonah> rbasak: which log should I check sorry?
[14:41] <jonah> JanC: yes 16.04.3
[14:41] <JanC> eh
[14:41] <JanC> that doesn't exist
[14:42] <JanC> I assume you mean 14.04.3 then
[14:42] <jonah> JanC: sorry I meant 14.04.3, it's the last lts
[14:42] <jonah> JanC: yes sorry!!
[14:42] <rbasak> That error suggests that you are not root.
[14:43] <jonah> rbasak: when I try with sudo on front I just get "Job failed to start"
[14:44] <JanC> you probably need to look at upstart & mysql logs then
[14:45] <jonah> JanC: can you please give me any help to guide me. I checked var/log/mysql.log but it's empty...
[14:45] <jrwren> what does /var/log/upstart/mysql.log say?
[14:45] <bindi> ello, i got iptables and dnsmasq up and running, but now dns doesnt work locally or on other boxes, they do get an ip from the machine though
[14:45] <bindi> http://hastebin.com/alepanavaw.sm
[14:46] <bindi> i dont even know how to tackle this :p http://hastebin.com/tivibiqovu.pas
[14:46] <jonah> jrwren: ah looks like diskspace prob possibly??
[14:46] <jonah> Checking for tables which need an upgrade, are corrupt or were
[14:46] <jonah> not closed cleanly.
[14:46] <jonah> /proc/self/fd/9: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!
[14:46] <rbasak> /var/log/mysql/error.log is the usual place on Debian and Ubuntu.
[14:46] <Guest22471> hello
[14:47] <jonah> rbasak: 160513 14:18:58 [Warning] Disk is full writing './yorkshire/modx_session.MY
[14:48] <Guest22471> how can i had my own dns while i am on ubuntu 14.04 my domain is dahliaco.com i need something like ns1.dahliaco.com and ns2.dahliaco.com
[14:50] <Guest22471> please say me a reference for that
[14:51] <jonah> does anyone know which temp folder I can clear out to get mysql back up and running?
[14:52] <sdeziel> jonah: clearing out old/unused kernels and running 'apt-get clean' should reclaim some space
[14:53] <rbasak> baobab is a nice tool to work out what is using space. Run it on a desktop machine and it'll speak ssh to your server.
[14:53] <jonah> sdeziel: apt-get autoclean is already cleared out
[14:54] <jonah> ah found the problem it was my tmp folder, I've cleared it out and backup and running now
[14:59] <rattanakorn> help
[15:00] <rattanakorn>  how i access horizon gui on lxd openstack with on another subnet ?
[15:09] <bindi> I see my queries in syslog but still windwos says "query refused"
[15:41] <hallyn> coreycb: so in addition to group libvirtd switching to group libvirt, we have libvirt-bin.service renamed to libvirtd.service
[15:41] <coreycb> hallyn, ok
[15:42] <hallyn> coreycb: are you working o this now?
[15:42] <hallyn> coreycb: actually, the *upstart* job has not been renamed,
[15:42] <coreycb> hallyn, yes, unfortunately nova finally just built with the first fix :)
[15:42] <hallyn> so that may make things easier for you
[15:42] <hallyn> doe snova even have a systemd service?
[15:42] <hallyn> or do you have to fix it in sysvinit?
[15:43] <coreycb> hallyn, yes it has upstart and systemd
[15:43] <coreycb> let me check
[15:45] <coreycb> hallyn, this will be interesting because we need support for both libvirt-bin.service and libvirtd-bin.service since we backport the the xenial cloud archive
[15:45] <coreycb> unless we backport libvirt
[15:46] <hallyn> well i assume you will backport libvirt :)  but, the libvirtd.service has 'Alias: libvirt-bin.service.'
[15:46] <hallyn> so that *might* suffice
[15:46] <hallyn> (except that in my test, 'systemctl status libvirt-bin' didn't work)
[15:47] <coreycb> hallyn, so we can probably stick with libvirt-bin
[15:47] <hallyn> coreycb: for now, though.  that alias is intended for transitioning.
[15:47] <coreycb> why did that test fail?
[15:47] <coreycb> hallyn, ok
[15:48] <coreycb> hallyn, I'll leave it as is for now and sync with james on monday, he's out today
[15:48] <hallyn> coreycb: bc http://paste.ubuntu.com/16390766/
[15:48] <bindi> ugh, still no go with dnsmasq + iptables, server cant find addresses. anyone? :P
[15:48] <bindi> dns doesnt work locally on the box with dnsmasq either
[15:48] <hallyn> coreycb: ok...  it's preventing libvirt from migrating :(  and i might wanna push libvirt 1.3.4 :)
[15:49] <hallyn> lemme ask pitti about the alias not working
[15:49] <hallyn> thanks coreycb
[15:49] <coreycb> hallyn, I guess I'm not sure why that test fails if there's an alias defined
[15:49] <coreycb> hallyn, 'systemctl status libvirt-bin.service' should work right?
[15:50] <hallyn> coreycb: i would think.  that's why i'm pinging pitti on #ubuntu-devel
[15:50] <coreycb> hallyn, ok. sorry missed your previous comment about asking pitti.
[15:58] <nacc> rbasak: looking at this bug, the issue for drupal7 seems mysql related, is this a 5.7 upgrade issue? LP: #1576969
[16:13] <rbasak> nacc: yes, could be. I'll tag it and review with MySQL upstream.
[16:14] <nacc> rbasak: thank you!
[17:06] <hallyn> so far so good on the qrt run on libvirt 1.3.4...  mayb ei'll push it tonight
[17:26] <Goug> Hi - can you please recommend a light and secure mail server easy to setup on Ubuntu 16.04 Server?
[17:26] <Sling> Goug: postfix/dovecot is a nice combo
[17:27] <Sling> finish it off with spamassassin, roundcube, sieve
[17:27] <JanC> e-mail is never "easy to setup"
[17:27] <Sling> and if it's easy, you probably are now hosting some open relay ;)
[17:27] <Goug> Sling, I have a VPS with only 1gb ram - will I be able to set it up wit hthat and Apache and mysql ?
[17:27] <Goug> open relay ?
[17:28] <JanC> depends on what you want to do with Apache & MySQL
[17:28] <Sling> Goug: thats plenty for a personal/testing setup
[17:28] <Sling> don't use it for anything production-like or expect high performance though
[17:29] <Goug> tbh - I just want to create more than 1 email as offered by the current .com bundle - set up a test website I am working on - php+sql+javascript
[17:29] <Goug> jsut for testing purposes
[17:29] <Goug> then I can upgrade to a bigger server
[17:30] <JanC> should be fine then
[17:30] <bc2946088> you'll be fine, however, imho running a mailserver for a single/couple users, rarely seems worth the trouble
[17:30] <JanC> assuming more "than one" doesn't mean 1000 mail users ;-)
[17:30] <Sling> i run my own mailserver just because I want to be in control of my own mailflow :)
[17:30] <Goug> I think I will need the mail server also if the website I am creating will require email confirmations right ? like when you create new username and password resets ?
[17:30] <Goug> can I use the same one ?
[17:30] <Sling> sure
[17:31] <Sling> you'd tell it to use 'localhost' to deliver mails
[17:31] <JanC> yes, I do all that for a forum
[17:31] <sdeziel> Goug: for those simple needs, I tend to use ssmtp that relays to Google or another provider
[17:32] <Goug> sdeziel, can you explain like im 5 please :D
[17:32] <JanC> sdeziel: that's not useful for receiving mail, I think
[17:32] <bc2946088> You just need a smtpd installed, however, a outsourcing that will cost pennies on the dollar
[17:32] <sdeziel> JanC: Goug: indeed, ssmtp is only for outbound
[17:33] <JanC> and Goug wants to run an IMAP server for him/herself, it seems
[17:33] <sdeziel> Goug: so if outbound only is good enough for you I'll explain a little more :)
[17:33] <Goug> will this work on 16.04 ? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-setup-postfix-on-ubuntu-14-04
[17:33] <Goug> sdeziel, I need both outbound and inbound
[17:33] <sdeziel> Goug: oh sorry, I misunderstood
[17:34] <bc2946088> If the two aren't connected, you shouldn't treat the need as one.  :)  You want incoming and outgoing for yourself and outgoing for your server.
[17:34] <JanC> Goug: I think there is some info in the Ubuntu Server Guide too
[17:34] <sdeziel> so I second the recommendation for postfix (for the SMTP/submission/LMTP/sendmail part of it anyway)
[17:34] <Goug> Great - thanks :) I will crack on reading now - will probabaly have more questions later - so will pop by ^^
[17:35] <JanC> I use postfix & dovecot
[17:35] <JanC> which have plenty of documentation & tutorials & how-to's for Ubuntu/Debian
[17:36] <Goug> JanC, can you link me please?
[17:36] <Sling> Goug: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-a-mail-server-using-postfix-dovecot-mysql-and-spamassassin
[17:36] <Goug> silly question but would you recommend Debian in this case ?
[17:36] <Sling> (if you need a guide)
[17:36] <Sling> Goug: it doesn't really matter which distro you pick
[17:36] <JanC> well, which ones you want to use also depends on your exact needs
[17:37] <Goug> I will try the link from JanC
[17:37] <Goug> thanks :)
[17:38] <Goug> one more question please - it is recommended I create a new admin user instead of working with root right ?
[17:39] <Sling> not really, but only use root if neccessary
[17:39] <JanC> use sudo  :)
[17:39] <Goug> can I do the entire operation on root then ?
[17:39] <Sling> you can do anything as root
[17:39] <Sling> including *breaking* anything
[17:40] <Goug> lol - will create a new user :D
[17:41] <bc2946088> A new user is no different than the default user you created when installing.  Except he won't be able to sudo by default, which you'll need.  It's just good habit to only sudo when you need elevated permissions.
[17:43] <JanC> eh, why would a new user not be able to sudo?  :)
[17:43] <JanC> (when done right, of course)
[17:44] <mdeslaur> JanC: because new users are not in the sudo/admin group by default
[17:45] <Goug> thanks
[17:46] <bc2946088> Fair enough, JanC.  You could add him to the sudoers group at creation.
[17:52] <bc2946088> wasn't there previously the ability to output juju status to an image?  Is that no longer?
[18:30] <axisys> so I have request to add -f to the iptables to count all the fragmented udp packets. So is that really necessary for server.. I thought server drops fragmented packets?
[18:36] <sdeziel> axisys: I never handled fragments in my rulesets. I assumed the were reassembled thanks to the nf_defrag_ipv4/ipv6 modules. I'm curious as to what others have to say about this
[19:22] <bc2946088> So... This bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1534643 ) says it was fixed in 1.25.4, but here I am at 1.25.5, and it's still occuring.  Or is there some other problem with deploying JUJU Gui on 1.25.5?
[22:26] <Goug> Hi - trying to isntall mysql : sudo apt-get install mysql-server libapache2-mod-auth-mysql php5-mysql
[22:26] <Goug>  - I get error :
[22:26] <Goug> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[22:26] <Goug> is only available from another source
[22:26] <Goug> E: Unable to locate package libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[22:26] <Goug> E: Package 'php5-mysql' has no installation candidate
[22:27] <nacc> Goug: what version of ubuntu?
[22:28] <Goug> 16.04
[22:28] <nacc> Goug: php7 only
[22:28] <nacc> Goug: 16.04 is php7 only
[22:28] <nacc> Goug: so you would use php-mysql
[22:28] <Goug> what about the  package libapache2-mod-auth-mysql ?
[22:29] <nacc> Goug: that hasn't been available since vivid
[22:29] <Goug> so just remove it ? installation wouldnt fail ?
[22:30] <nacc> Goug: i don't know what you are installing, but that package does not exist anymore
[22:30] <Goug> alright
[22:30] <Goug> will try it - thanks
[22:32] <nacc> Goug: c18 of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mod-auth-mysql/+bug/1243076
[22:32] <nacc> Goug: are you trying to apache auth against mysql?
[22:33] <Goug> I am following this tutorial
[22:33] <Goug> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu
[22:33] <Goug> sudo mysql_install_db
[22:33] <Goug> gives me an error : 2016-05-14 00:32:20 [WARNING] mysql_install_db is deprecated. Please consider switching to mysqld --initialize
[22:33] <Goug> 2016-05-14 00:32:20 [ERROR]   The data directory needs to be specified.
[22:34] <nacc> Goug: uh
[22:34] <nacc> that's written explicitly for 12.04
[22:34] <nacc> you just said 16.04
[22:34] <Goug> someone else told me earlier here it would work wit hany version
[22:34] <nacc> it even has a link to at least a more updated version
[22:35] <nacc> isn't there a lamp-server metapackage?
[22:36] <Goug> I will try this one
[22:36] <Goug> http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[22:36] <sarnold> there's a lamp-server tasksel -- you ought to be able to use apt-get install ^lamp-server, iirc
[22:36] <sarnold> (yes, with the ^)
[22:37] <nacc> sarnold: thanks, couldn't remember the syntax
[22:38] <Goug> E: Unable to locate package ^lamp-server
[22:38] <Goug> E: Couldn't find any package by regex '^lamp-server'
[22:39] <sarnold> ah, apt-get install lamp-server^
[22:39] <sarnold> apparently I can't remember the syntax either, sorry.
[22:40] <ogra_> sudo tasksel install lamp-server ;)
[22:40] <ogra_> (saves you from remembering where the caret goes)
[22:40] <sarnold> :)
[22:41] <nacc> heh
[22:42] <Goug> thanks - now its working
[22:44] <Goug> will apache2 and mysql start automatically when I reboot the server ?
[22:48] <JanC> if they are properly configured, yes
[22:49] <nacc> i believe the default configuration of both does enable both as services, but i'm not 100%
[22:49] <Goug> only one way to find out :D
[22:49] <Goug> im going to try reboot
[23:25] <Goug> is there an ftp server running by default on ubuntu server ?
[23:26] <nacc> Goug: no
[23:26] <nacc> i dont think so
[23:26] <patdk-lap> depends on what tasksel you picked on install
[23:26] <teward> Goug: if you're working on a default install and didn't select SSH Server or FTP Server, then no
[23:27] <teward> if you selected SSH Server, 'sftp' exists, but that's not a pure FTP server per se
[23:27] <teward> Goug: if you're working off a prebuilt image at a VPS provider, we can't really give insights to that
[23:27] <Goug> its just to upload files to apache - winscp should do the trick
[23:27] <Goug> thaks :)
[23:37] <lynorian> although I wish I actually got more of sftp into the 16.04 server guide
[23:37] <g3org3s> I am trying to use winscp to do that - I get a login error - acces denied - not sure what I should be doing
[23:37] <g3org3s> googling
[23:38] <teward> use your SSH credentials for the server
[23:40] <g3org3s> what file protocol should I use ? if sftp shouldnt I install an ftp server before on my server ? like vsftpd ?
[23:41] <teward> g3org3s: sftp *is* the protocol
[23:41] <teward> it's provided as part of the openssh-server stuff
[23:41] <teward> so, if you have SSH you should already have SFTP access via those SSH credentials
[23:41] <g3org3s> it says access denied
[23:42] <g3org3s> oh
[23:42] <g3org3s> working - nevermind :D


[07:40] <altker128> Running OTA11 on a Nexus 4.  I notice the phone continually tries to connect to dash.ubuntu.com .  What gives?  Will definitely burn battery.
[14:33] <brunch875> hey popey, for how long does the M10 battery last? I'm considering getting one
[14:40] <popey> dunno, never measured it
[17:49] <altker128> Is there a thread that shows how to cross-compile a standard C/C++ app for Ubuntu Touch?
[18:19] <mariogrip> altker128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CrossCompile
[18:21] <altker128> mariogrip: Thanks!  I was able to get the armhf (linaro) toolchain installed and compiled a C hello world that works
[18:24] <altker128> Is there a reason why dnsutils doesn't exist for ubuntu-touch?  No nslookup
[18:26] <willer> hey how's it going
[18:27] <willer> i heard whatsapp was doable, is it reliable?
[18:27] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I think you can run 'getent host <hostname>' instead.
[18:28] <Mikaela> willer: no idea what you heard, but WhatsApp bans third party apps and thus only WhatsApp can make a WhatsApp app.
[18:28] <willer> yeah i saw a thread about it
[18:29] <Mikaela> and same with Signal https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165
[18:30] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Any reason why there's no standard dnsutils package though?
[18:32] <peat-psuwit> altker128: In my opinion, phone's rom should contain only what's need. The phone's storage space is limited.
[18:33] <altker128> peat-psuwit: OK.  But, it doesn't even exist as an installable package...
[18:33] <altker128> peat-psuwit: But there is a package for "eject", which ejects CDs and operates CD-changers under Linux ...
[18:34] <peat-psuwit> altker128: "eject"? Where did you find that? I think I've never heard anyone packaging command line application in Ubuntu touch.
[18:35] <altker128> peat-psuwit: I used apt-cache search and it show sup.
[18:35] <altker128> root@ubuntu-phablet:/tmp# apt-cache search eject
[18:35] <altker128> insserv - boot sequence organizer using LSB init.d script dependency information
[18:35] <altker128> eject - ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers under Linux
[18:36] <peat-psuwit> altker128: OK. Ideally we should never install anything over "apt". It'll mess up intend-to-read-only root file system.
[18:37] <peat-psuwit> altker128: We install application in Ubuntu touch in "click" format, which will keep application separately from system image.
[18:38] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Can one easily compile something like nslookup into click?
[18:40] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I don't know. As I said, I've never heard anyone packaging command line application in "click" format.
[18:41] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I guess you'll have to stick to "getent hosts <hostname>".   Clearly the repos have stuff no one needs, dnsutils should be there though.
[18:45] <peat-psuwit> altker128: Actually, another way to get away with this is putting the binary in ~/bin directory. But you'll have to take care of dependency yourself. (But I guess dnsutils won't have exotic one that isn't shipped in base image)
[18:46] <altker128> peat-psuwit: I still assume that /bin is overwritten on system updates
[18:46] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I mean, directory "bin" under your own home directory. No one will wipe your home directory.
[18:48] <peat-psuwit> altker128: But, please take care to get correct binary from armhf repository.
[18:48] <altker128> Is http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/ broken for anyone else?
[18:48] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Yes, I'm with you :)
[18:48] <altker128> Error
[18:48] <altker128> more than one suite specified for show_static
[18:50] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I think they've removed vivid info out of that site. "vivid" itself is unsupported now.
[18:51] <altker128> Uhhh, OTA-11 is vivid, unless I missed something
[18:53] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I said vivid _itself_. vivid get extended support *only for touch* while they make things works on newer release.
[18:54] <altker128> So, is there a web interface where I can find vivid packages for my Ubuntu Touch phone?
[19:02] <peat-psuwit> altker128: http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/b/bind9/dnsutils_9.9.5.dfsg-9ubuntu0.5_armhf.deb
[19:02] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Much obliged :)
[19:03] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Out of curiosity, usually the repositories track versions, will anythingin ports work on 15.04/vivid?
[19:03] <peat-psuwit> altker128: Actually, I just see that it require a few library that isn't shipped in base image. Sorry!
[19:06] <peat-psuwit> altker128: ports.ubuntu.com keeps all packages for a few architectures that Ubuntu support (iirc main server serves only x86 and x86_64)
[19:07] <peat-psuwit> altker128: Actually parts of packages that runs Ubuntu touch comes from that server.
[19:08] <altker128> I guess I'm slightly confused in that I'd expect it to still be versioned by the Ubuntu release somewhere in the URL
[19:10] <peat-psuwit> altker128: ports.ubuntu.com is an apt repository. They keep versioning information in another directory called "dists".
[19:12] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Let me rephrase.  If you're running say Debian 8.0, then you get one .deb file, if you're running Debian 6.0, you get your .deb from a different folder.  How does the ports.ubuntu.com system help me select a .deb file for the right release?
[19:20] <peat-psuwit> altker128: No. Even Debian give deb *from the same directory*. Not believe me? Take a look at http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bind9/
[19:21] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Ah, sorry!!
[19:21] <peat-psuwit> altker128: You'll see different versions of the same package stay together in that folder.
[19:22] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Yes, I missed that, sorry
[19:22] <peat-psuwit> altker128: BTW, the proper way to solve your problem is to create "libertine container", but for your case it's too overkill.
[19:23] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Yeah, that pushes it into an lxc container, right?
[19:24] <peat-psuwit> altker128: Yes, and creating its own rootfs.
[19:26] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I guess you'll have to grab a few libs and put it into ~/lib, then set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/phablet/lib, too.
[19:27] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Would it be possible to just cross-compile the .deb-src for dnsutils?
[19:28] <peat-psuwit> altker128: You won't be able to install it, for the same reason we won't use "apt"
[19:28] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Well, I mean if I remount the system in rw mode, I can do that.
[19:30] <peat-psuwit> altker128: Yes, you can do that. But I really discourage you to do that. It may silently brakes normal image-based upgrading system.
[19:31] <altker128> This is just my idea, but I think if the system maintains a list of packages the user installs, that perhaps go into their own lxc-container, then users can still use apt and not break the upgrade process
[19:32] <altker128> A real advantage of having full-blown Ubuntu Linux on your phone is the power of apt, deb, and UNIX .  I know this is slightly at odds with looking at the phablet as a consumer device, but if users wanted just that, then Android and iOS satisfy that demand well.
[19:33] <peat-psuwit> altker128: I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but I think that's what libertine is for.
[19:34] <peat-psuwit> altker128: seriously, I'm out of clean solution now. It might be easier to just ssh to some machine and run nslookup there, or setup libertine.
[19:34] <altker128> peat-psuwit: Thanks for your suggestions.  Wasn't just about nslookup, but your points are taken about libterine, etc.
[20:56] <altker128> What's an easy way to get ubuntu-touch to run a script on start-up?  Doesn't seem to honor rc.local
[20:56] <DPA> altker128: There are upstart scripts in /etc/init/
[20:57] <altker128> Is there a way to just...run a start-up script without having to mess with upstart?
[20:58] <DPA> altker128: It is the only way I know about
[20:59] <altker128> in /etc/init.d, there's an rc.local
[21:04] <altker128> Why has simple stuff become so complicated?!
[21:07] <DPA> I just looked at /etc/init.d/rc.local, on my phone, it executes /etc/rc.local. I added "echo test >> /tmp/test" to my /etc/rc.local, and after a reboot the file was there, so it should work.
[21:07] <altker128> hrm
[21:13] <altker128> hrm
[21:14] <altker128> DPA: OK, so rc.local does work, I am trying to disable ipv6 and I guess some other script in the start-up process after rc.local reenables it
[21:32] <altker128> Anyone know where IPV6 stuff is being enabled?
[21:42] <Guest_84843> allah is doing
[21:42] <Guest_84843> sun is not doing Allah is doing
[21:42] <Guest_84843> moon is not doing Allah is doing
[21:42] <Guest_84843> stars are not doing Allah is doing
[21:42] <Guest_84843> planets are not doing Allah is doing
[21:59] <altker128> Seriously, can anyone comment on how to permanently disable IPV6?  I have the correct sysctls setup in rc.local and when I run it manually after the phone is booted IPV6 stays off, but something is turing IPV6 after rc.local is run


[13:32] <Myth_noob> hello all.  I'm having problems with getting specific keys on my hauppauge td-500 to work on mythbuntu.  they are showing up as responses in ir-keytable but not in irw.  i've followed a couple of guides but am still having no luck.  anyone been through this before who can help?


 I was just wondering if there was a way to take a screenshot of ALL virtual desktops at once.
[02:01] <Guest17245> Right now I: screenshot -> save -> switch virtual desktop -> screenshot ->save -> ...(and so on)
[02:01] <Guest17245> but with 7 desktops, there's ought tobe a better way
[02:01] <Guest17245> Or at least I hope =P
[02:10] <MK``> Guest: you mean on a different session?
[02:10] <MK``> o_oll: *
[02:11] <o_oll> nah
[02:11] <passthru> Hello people.
[02:11] <MK``> or different workspace?
[02:11] <o_oll> like how you can have multiple desktops
[02:11] <passthru> i'm getting a weird error when I try to load a fresh installation of KDE
[02:11] <o_oll> ya that
[02:11] <passthru> i am using Ubuntu 10.10
[02:12] <o_oll> MK`` so, workspaces one 1-7
[02:12] <passthru> and just installed the package kubuntu-desktop via apt-get
[02:12] <passthru> when I log in, it starts loading KDE but I suddenly get at GDM screen again
[02:12] <MK``> I do not know o_oll sorry, I know how to do it on other X sessions but not other workspaces
[02:12] <passthru> any clue about that ?
[02:12] <MK``> passthru: did you set it to load kdm?
[02:13] <kalib> Hi people. My kubuntu was working just fine with flash plugin but since last update, 3 days ago, my flash stoped working. Any idea?
[02:13] <o_oll> MK`` no prob, thanks anyway =D
[02:14] <passthru> MK``, no.
[02:14] <passthru> It is loading by GDM
[02:14] <passthru> GDM can mess with KDE ?
[02:15] <passthru> MK``,  i am suspecting about my crappy video card :(
[02:15] <MK``> passthru: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[02:15] <passthru> MK``, KDE have by default some coposite option configured ?
[02:15] <passthru> i am suspecting about that
[02:15] <o_oll> GDM is just the pre-desktop environment. You can start KDE from GDM and GNOME from KDM
[02:16] <passthru> o_oll,  MK``: the problem isn't GDM
[02:16] <passthru> It starts loading the KDE
[02:16] <passthru> i see that bar with some icons appearing
[02:16] <passthru> and so, suddenly I get on GDM screen again :D
[02:16] <o_oll> oO
[02:16] <o_oll> strange
[02:17] <passthru> if I check by 'ps aux', there is no KDE process alive
[02:17] <o_oll> did you just install kde or a full package like kubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <MK``> Maybe it is loading both or something by accident somehow. I'd still do that, maybe to "reset" gdm into not running itself, and running kdm instead
[02:17] <passthru> o_oll,  i just installed by kubuntu-desktop package.
[02:18] <MK``> i did the same and I haven't had trouble
[02:18] <passthru> MK``, I still suspecting about my video card
[02:18] <passthru> it have no acceleration support and has only 64MB of RAM
[02:18] <MK``> Perhaps. Can you select KDE from GDM though?
[02:18] <passthru> MK``,  yeah
[02:18] <MK``> I don't see how KDM would be more or less intensive
[02:19] <passthru> i have gnome, kde and xfce4 installed
[02:19] <MK``> same
[02:19] <kalib> Hi people. My kubuntu was working just fine with flash plugin but since last update, 3 days ago, my flash stoped working. Any idea?
[02:19] <passthru> about gnome and xfce, I use both w/o problem
[02:19] <MK``> kalib: well, wait for a fix or maybe roll back the update
[02:19] <MK``> ^^
[02:20] <MK``> passthru: Maybe it's a Qt issue with the card then
[02:20] <MK``> since gnome and xfce both use gtk+
[02:20] <passthru> hmm
[02:20] <o_oll> passthru why not try a KDE liveCD to rule out compatibility issues before troubleshooting further
[02:20] <kalib> MK``, you mean, everyone got the same issue?
[02:20] <o_oll> passthru should help rule out a hardware issue
[02:21] <MK``> kalib: I was half-joking, I do not know :( What was updated
[02:21] <passthru> QT have directly interaction with the GPU ?
[02:21] <passthru> o_oll, maybe a try :)
[02:21] <kalib> just flash stoped working...
[02:21] <passthru> o_oll, ah, i forgot to tell
[02:22] <kalib> even on chromium, when I type: about:plugins
[02:22] <passthru> i can load plasma-desktop through gnome
[02:22] <kalib> flash is not seen
[02:22] <passthru> it loads fine.
[02:22] <MK``> plasma is unrelated to kdm :P
[02:22] <passthru> MK``,  plasma-desktop command
[02:22] <passthru> :}
[02:22] <MK``> but, I have a feeling if plasma works this is not a qt issue
[02:22] <passthru> yeah
[02:22] <o_oll> yeah
[02:23] <MK``> Did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
[02:23] <MK``> which, seems to be the same as the other, incidentally heh
[02:24] <passthru> when I load plasma-desktop, it load other lot of components
[02:24] <passthru> :p
[02:24] <passthru> I suspect about something which tries to use compositing features
[02:25] <MK``> does it replace metacity/mutter/compiz as well with its own window manager?
[02:25] <passthru> when I load through gnome? no.
[02:25] <passthru> it stills using metacity as wm
[02:26] <MK``> you could try running kwin to see if it works
[02:26] <passthru> hmm
[02:26] <passthru> le'me see
[02:27] <passthru> yeah, i got it
[02:28] <passthru> my desktop has totally crashed when I ran kwin
[02:28] <passthru> :p
[02:28] <MK``> lol
[02:28] <passthru> maybe compositing setting ? :P
[02:28] <MK``> Perhaps
[02:28] <passthru> where can I turn it off ?
[02:29] <MK``> I do not know :(
[02:29] <MK``> maybe use reconfigure on it somehow
[02:30] <passthru> i tried :(
[02:30] <passthru> i'll try to debug it
[02:31] <kalib> MK``, you should learn how to make things work the right way... You shouldn't have to wait a strange to clean up your house....
[02:32] <MK``> I know kalib, I'm sorry, I do not know how to fix it
[02:32] <MK``> I am new to ubuntu
[02:32] <MK``> and linux
[02:32] <passthru> ^^
[02:32] <kalib> well done.. got it working..
[02:32] <kalib> I'll send the patch to you guys...
[02:32] <kalib> take care..
[02:32] <kalib> have a good night
[02:32] <kalib> and..by the way..
[02:32] <MK``> thanks
[02:32] <FloodBotK2> kalib: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:32] <kalib> if you don't know how to fix.. don't make jokes...
[02:33] <kalib> sorry if I wasn't so polite..
[02:33] <kalib> just had a bad day...
[02:33] <kalib> I really didn't mean that
[02:33] <passthru> falou kalib
[02:33] <passthru> :p
[02:33] <MK``> it's ok :D
[02:34] <MK``> Have a good night!
[02:34] <kalib> you too...
[02:34] <passthru> kalib is from my country haha
[02:34] <passthru> :)
[02:34] <bret> hi
[02:34] <passthru> uses the same ISP of me
[02:36] <passthru> MK``, btw, do you know where are the default cfg files from KDE/kwin ?
[02:38] <MK``> I do not
[02:38] <passthru> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
[02:39] <passthru> my super imba video card :(
[03:00] <o_oll> lol, i managed to screenshot all. a glorious 21 MB png
[03:00] <o_oll> hehehe
[03:01] <o_oll> now to convert it to .ppm(though only for laughs at the filesize)
[03:42] <MK``> o_oll: how? :o
[04:01] <o_oll> test
[04:30] <cosmo18> is there a way to set kate tois there a way to set kate to indent with spaces instead of tab when using the tab key, I am editing yaml files and they are picky about that indent with spaces instead of tab when using the tab key, I am editing yaml files and they are picky about that
[04:49] <Uhriventis> i have a friend with a very out dated version of Kubuntu. When he runs sudo apt-get update or upgrade konsole closed immediately what gives?
[05:00] <valorie> Uhriventis: "very" outdated?
[05:00] <valorie> which version does your friend have?
[05:01] <Uhriventis> Well. He.sent me a screen shot and it looked like kde two versions ago.
[05:01] <Uhriventis> Looks like the first release of Kubuntu
[05:02] <Uhriventis> I use 3.5.9 and it's older than that
[05:03] <Uhriventis> Whats the command to get the version?
[05:03] <eiriksvin> Hello people, got a couple of questions for ya
[05:04] <Uhriventis> But I'm a suse/slackware user
[05:04] <eiriksvin> I'm havin trouble getting my Netgear Rangemax WPN111 to work...
[05:05] <Uhriventis> Surprised he was using linux as he can't work irc
[05:06] <eiriksvin> ndiswrapper, and driver are good, but I cant seem to get the light to come on... it says the hardware is there, but it acts like its not
[05:06] <eiriksvin> got any ideas?
[05:07] <Uhriventis> cat /etc/lsb-release right?
[05:08] <valorie> !version
[05:10] <eiriksvin> can some 1 help me with that
[05:16] <valorie> the KDE 3 stuff is rarely supported now
[05:16] <valorie> and it sounds like his kubuntu is long after EOL (end of life)
[05:16] <valorie> !eol
[05:17] <valorie> if he wants to upgrade he'll need to follow that guide
[05:17] <valorie> however, you could help him out by burning a liveCD or liveUSB for him
[05:17] <valorie> so he can try out the newer ISOs on his old box
[05:18] <valorie> !iso
[05:18] <valorie> hmm
[05:18] <Uhriventis> Wow, suse offers it still in it's releases. Any reason why Kubuntu stopped supporting it? And is Debian also?
[05:18] <valorie> !trinity
[05:19] <valorie> debian still has it, I know
[05:19] <valorie> there is a fork called Trinity
[05:19] <valorie> but KDE no longer supports v.3 as far as i know
[05:22] <Uhriventis> Just checked kde website and it's supported
[05:22] <Uhriventis> I hope they continue, I really like it.
[05:24] <Uhriventis> However they are pushing you to v4
[05:39] <bigbrovar2> hi guys.  were can i ask questions about kubuntu 11.04?
[05:43] <MK``> bigbrovar2: for general ubuntu 11.04 related stuff there is #ubuntu+1
[05:43] <nn> hi
[07:59] <bigbrovar2> i have asked this at ubuntu+1 but tot to ask here again.  is anyone running kubuntu natty having problems with giogle akonadi resource.  mainly i get invalid password even though i have the right password imputed . i have since been unable to import my google calendar and contacts. :/
[08:09] <Daskreech> hi bigbrovar2
[08:11] <bigbrovar2> daskreech : hi
[08:19] <Daskreech> bigbrovar2: I had something to talk to you about and totally forgot what it was now
[08:21] <bigbrovar2> Daskreech: lol happens to the best of us. does it in anyway connect to the issues i am having with akonadi Google resource on kububtu natty?
[08:26] <Daskreech> No that's a little newew
[08:26] <Daskreech> This was like a... week ago :)
[08:35] <topyli> bigbrovar2: i have the same problem, here's the bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268643
[08:39] <bigbrovar2> topyli: thanks so much mate. u made my day. as u know misery loves company :p
[08:39] <topyli> i know, that's why i was glad to find the bug too :)
[08:41] <bigbrovar2> so u are on natty?
[08:56] <topyli> bigbrovar: yes
[09:17] <mauri> i need natty irc address , where i can find it?
[09:18] <valorie> it is #ubuntu+1
[09:36] <saeed__>   /join #linuxac
[11:07] <tanino> ciao
[12:12] <xieyi> Has anyone successfully connected itouch to ubuntu through gtkpod? I can successfully mount through ifuse, but can't mount through gtkpod. Don't know why
[12:13] <xieyi> gtkpod complains error initilize pod missing hashinfo file
[12:14] <xieyi> I have generated hashfile in the mountpoint
[12:21] <LINKSWORD2> Hello. I'm wondering if it is possible to use Konsole to upgrade from Kubuntu 10.04 LTS to 10.10 within the OS?
[12:28] <xieyi> LINKSWORD2, I think you should execute "do-release-upgrade -d" in text mode(ctrl-alt-f1) to avoid any possible interruption.
[12:29] <LINKSWORD2> I missed that. My channel screen cleared, sorry.
[12:31] <xieyi> LINKSWORD2, I think you should execute "do-release-upgrade -d" in text mode(ctrl-alt-f1) to avoid any possible interruption.
[12:32] <LINKSWORD2> Ok.
[12:32] <LINKSWORD2> I'll give that a try.
[12:33] <LINKSWORD2> One last thing. I'm familiar with Kubuntu, but I had a friend recommend Fedora. Any notable trade-offs between the two?
[12:36] <xieyi> I think kubuntu has good multimedia support
[12:36] <xieyi> fedora has no mp3 support
[12:37] <LINKSWORD2> Ouch. That's a distinct difference.
[12:38] <LINKSWORD2> All right, thanks a lot.
[12:38] <xieyi> welcome
[12:40] <c2tarun> anyone used gimp on kubuntu?
[12:41] <xieyi> c2tarun, what is the problem?
[12:43] <c2tarun> xieyi: whenever I am trying to start gimp on my kubuntu natty beta2 its crashing :/
[12:44] <topyli> mp3 support in fedora is one package install away
[12:45] <xieyi> I am using natty beta2 but no such problem. what is the error message from konsole?
[12:45] <dr0id> how can i know my kubuntu version ?
[12:45] <xieyi> echo /etc/issue
[12:45] <bazhang> !version > dr0id
[12:46] <dr0id> well, i wanted to know kubuntu version, not ubntu
[12:46] <c2tarun> dr0id: what's the difference?
[12:46] <bazhang> dr0id, you must mean kde4 version
[12:46] <topyli> dr0id: it's the same
[12:46] <dr0id> 4.2.2 and 9.04 ? :P
[12:47] <dr0id> or shall i say kde ?
[12:47] <topyli> oh
[12:47] <c2tarun> dr0id: I guess you are looking ro kde version
[12:47] <c2tarun> dr0id: open dolphin in help and about kde
[12:47] <dr0id> thanks sir
[13:16] <njin> Hello, i'm testing 20110423, with encryption, but at the first boot i don't have the request for the passphrase, can someone noticew me about kubuntu manage this or it ids egual that in gnome?
[13:21] <Denis_Lobanov> ns identify 87512
[13:22] <Denis_Lobanov> Hi
[13:22] <Denis_Lobanov> Who test 11.04
[13:23] <njin> I
[13:24] <xieyi> me, too
[13:24] <njin> Denis_Lobanov: I'm testng it
[13:24] <Denis_Lobanov> Is it likes you
[13:24] <Denis_Lobanov> What new
[13:24] <njin> encryption not working for me
[13:24] <Denis_Lobanov> What you mean
[13:25] <njin> no passphrase request at the first boot
[13:25] <njin> hoping that kubvuntu manage it as Gnome
[13:26] <Denis_Lobanov> Are you use kubuntu?
[13:26] <James147> njin: encryption of what?
[13:26] <xieyi> you upgrade from 10.10 or installed from scratch?
[13:26] <xieyi> I upgrade from 10.10 and need password to login
[13:26] <njin> I'm testing kubuntu, but usually i don't use it, encryption for /home
[13:27] <xieyi> oh sorry
[13:27] <xieyi> I have not test encryption for directory
[13:27] <njin> someone can reproduce it i virtual?
[13:28] <James147> njin: if you chacked to use encrypted home directories in the kubuntu installer then your home directory is encrypted not he home partition (ie /home/username not just /home) and it is unencrypted with your passsword at login
[13:29] <Denis_Lobanov> I don't use encryption of home
[13:29] <Denis_Lobanov> This is useless for me
[13:31] <njin> James147: thanks, then kubuntu manage this dofferently from ubuntu that, at the first boot, require a passphrase for recovering
[13:32]  * James147 is suprised that kubuntu would handle it differnetly ^^
[13:33] <njin> James147: i'm experiencing that
[13:34] <James147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome ^^ should work like that
[13:40] <njin> James147: thaks it dont do this 'require a password to log in and decrypt your home directory '
[14:20] <yassine> !list
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:35] <tanino> salve a tutti
[15:35] <tanino> buona pascua
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> gimp works only when i start with sudo else it doesnt start and i am getting a segmentation fault
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> any help
[15:36] <BluesKaj> !it | tanino
[15:37] <tanino> garzie
[15:37] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, you could be missing some gnome/gtk libs
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: how can i check the missing dependency ?
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: but how come it works when i start it with sudo
[15:38] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, if you ran a pure kde tutorial then it's possible
[15:39] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, whynot just purge it then reinstall , that's the best way to get all dependencies and delete a corrupted config file
[15:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ok
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: purged the old i nstall and reinstalled. same error
[15:46] <BluesKaj> run gimp and post the error by doing dmesg right after
[15:46] <BluesKaj> pastebin the  error phoenix_firebrd
[15:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: when i start gimp with --verbose parameter it is starting
[15:46] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:  let me check the logs for any error
[15:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Its working now. i just started it with the --verbose parameter first. after that its starting normally
[15:49] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, cool
[15:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: confused buddy
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: may be i am lucky
[15:50] <BluesKaj> sometimes , and I don't know why , but that's what it takes for some apps
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya , very funny. thank you :)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> like starting in the krunner and then the icon magically appears in the pps menu
[15:51] <BluesKaj> apps
[15:52] <BluesKaj> creates alink I guess
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: very true
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: bye
[16:19] <Guest71944> mick
[16:35] <ephexeve> Hey!
[17:19] <seven|> hi, no grub.conf?
[17:20] <seven|> How do I add an entry to grub in kubuntu 11.04?
[17:22] <Peace-> !grub2
[17:43] <tertl3> i think I messed up my apt-get
[17:43] <tertl3> is there a fix all command for apt-get besides -f?
[17:43] <BluesKaj> tertl3, what's the error say
[17:44] <tertl3> libjack0: Depends: lib32jack0 (= 6:1.9.6~dfsg.1-3ubuntu2+fixes1~lucid2) but it is not going to be installed
[17:44] <tertl3> anytime I try to install anything I get this
[17:44] <tertl3> in kpackage and cli
[17:45] <tertl3> BluesKaj: what ever will I do?
[17:47] <Peace-> tertl3: sudo apt-get remove libjack0
[17:47] <Peace-> tertl3: sudo apt-get -f install
[17:48] <tertl3> still getting same error
[17:48] <BluesKaj> tertl3, sudo dpkg --cofigure -a
[17:48] <BluesKaj> configure
[17:49] <Peace-> tertl3: you have to remove the pakcage it says
[17:49] <Peace-> tertl3: and the sudo apt-get -f install
[17:49] <Peace-> tha's all
[17:50] <tertl3> hmm
[17:50] <tertl3> still getting error
[17:51] <Peace-> tertl3: give me the error please
[17:51] <Peace-> it's hard help you without the exact string
[17:51] <BluesKaj> what did you try tertl3 ?
[17:52] <tertl3> all of em
[17:53] <tertl3> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:53] <tertl3>   libjack0: Depends: lib32jack0 (= 6:1.9.6~dfsg.1-3ubuntu2+fixes1~lucid2) but it is not going to be installed
[17:53] <tertl3> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[17:57] <Daskreech> tertl3: apt-cache policy lib32jack0
[18:06] <sergio__> Hola
[18:06] <sergio__> ¿qué tal sala?
[18:07] <Pici> !es
[18:12] <Njall> Good day all
[18:16] <tertl3> Daskreech: i think its a ppa problem from one I added
[18:16] <Daskreech> tertl3: Fairly certain it is I'm trying to discover which repo is the problem
[18:16] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Gu
[18:17] <Daskreech> Njall: hello
[18:17]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[18:18] <BluesKaj> hey Daskreech , Happy Easter
[18:20] <Daskreech> hi BluesKaj :)
[18:28] <o_oll> So for some reason kubuntu decided to no longer see/mount/make available to mount any of the other partitions on my RAID array. KDE Partition Manager doesn't see the array and instead sees two seperate drives. Ironically I am booted off of this very array.
[18:29] <o_oll> the array works just fine in windows and even the data i saved to the other partitions with KDE in previous boots is there and fully functional
[18:29] <o_oll> i didn't make any changes to mounting/fstab/ and so on so this is kind of out of the blue
[18:30] <o_oll> how do i re-mount the other partitions?
[18:30] <o_oll> ironocally the labels for the partitions show just fine under /dev/disk/by-label/
[18:35] <o_oll> : (
[18:37] <o_oll> Am i in the wrong chat?
[18:38] <BluesKaj> mount /dev/hdX /chroot/dev/sdX --bind
[18:39] <BluesKaj> hdX or sdX , whatever was assigned to the partition/drive , o_oll
[18:40] <o_oll> BluesKaj Thanks a ton, I'll give it a shot
[18:51] <topyli> weirdness. i keep joining #ubuntu-meeting, it never shows up in the channel list in quassel
[18:51] <topyli> if i switch windows, the only way back to -meeting is to /join again :)
[19:06] <Daskreech> maybe you get removed for idling?
[19:08] <topyli> Daskreech: i had inadvertently hidden it permanently. someone saved me by hilighting me there, and it showed up again
[19:11] <Daskreech> topyli: Oh yeah I remember that now
[19:12] <Daskreech> dangerous :)
[19:12] <topyli> indeed. i'm a quassel newbie, one thing learned :)
[19:14] <BluesKaj> does quassel look any better now , or is it still crude?
[19:15] <topyli> BluesKaj: i can't compare, it's all new to me
[19:16] <BluesKaj> guess it depends on the windows theme one is using
[19:17] <sourcemaker2> is there a security difference between cbc-essiv:sha256 and xts-plain?
[19:20] <Daskreech> sourcemaker2: As far as I know in theory sha256 is supposed to be more secure but I don't know thats' ever been demonstrated
[19:21] <Daskreech> sourcemaker2: I would suspect they are about the same in most cases
[19:21] <Daskreech> both are about the same level of slow
[19:26] <sourcemaker2> Daskreech: Well... I have read that XTS should me more secure...  :-)
[19:37] <Daskreech> sourcemaker2: use that then :)
[19:55] <spencer> hey
[20:00] <BluesKaj> gotta get used to this "look" and layout , but Quassel seems not too bad , not as ugly as I remember it
[20:18] <katsrc> what's the best msn client for kubuntu?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> katsrc. I used amsn for a while , it worked ok..didn't try any others tho
[20:21] <katsrc> BluesKaj: what was the other one kmess?
[20:23] <James147> !msn
[20:23] <James147> :P
[20:25] <topyli> for values of support :)
[20:46] <Denis_Lobanov> How highlit message in quassel to some man?
[20:47] <Denis_Lobanov> Help
[20:49] <Denis_Lobanov> How highlite message in quassel to some man?
[20:54] <topyli> Denis_Lobanov: just say the name
[20:55] <Denis_Lobanov> shortcat exsists?
[20:55] <topyli> yes. for my nick, you type "top" then hit the TAB key
[20:56] <Denis_Lobanov> sks


[13:13] <zxmpi> a bank holiday monday... it's just putting monday off till tuesday
[13:21] <penguin42> can't argue with that
[15:37] <davef> even with it being a 4 day weekend, it's still too short


[03:57] <jbowen> I've generally lived in a RH bubble and am not super familiar with AppArmor, but is there a quick way to stop the apparmor allow/deny messages from going to dmesg?
[03:59] <jbowen> This would be in a vanilla 22.04.4 LTS system
[04:29] <amurray> jbowen: apparently you can do "echo -n quiet_denied > /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/audit" - https://askubuntu.com/a/1443610/218
[04:31] <jbowen> Does this count as AHSL?
[04:47] <oerheks> what deny messages, would help
[04:47] <oerheks> and if you have an audit service, you want those messages.
[04:48] <oerheks> like, suricate or something?
[04:48] <oerheks> logrotate should worry about diskspace eating up
[04:50] <jbowen> I just don't want them cluttering dmesg
[04:52] <oerheks> what processes would help, one could edit a profile.
[04:52] <oerheks> cupsd whatever
[04:53] <oerheks> blunt disabling apparmor is silly
[04:55] <jbowen> My issue isn't with apparmor, but that spamming dmesg is silly; I'd be perfectly happy if they went to /var/log
[04:56] <jbowen> anyway, I'm going to go to bed; thanks amurray!
[07:18] <MTecknology> jbowen: Is it configured to log to stdout or something? That sounds like a systemderpies thing to me.


[00:59] <pwnguin> I'm reading the hal-info doc and it says "You only need to remap keys using HAL that do not product valid keycodes (i.e. you get the warning in dmesg) as the others can be done with a keymap."
[01:00] <pwnguin> does HAL handle both remaps and keymaps?
[01:03] <pwnguin> it seems like it should, but the documentation wants to make a distinction
[04:48] <pwnguin> anyone messed with HAL fdi files?
[04:50] <pwnguin> doh, wrong channel
[17:42] <persi> hm hi!
[17:42] <persi> a special channel for laptop users is nice


[02:23] <mup> PR snapd#9919 opened: many: add Delegate=true to generated systemd units for special interfaces <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9919>
[07:08] <mborzecki> morning
[07:30] <jamesh> mborzecki: for your comment on #9906, were you referring to some other observed bug?  I don't think snapd ever tried to enable these service files itself
[07:30] <mup> PR #9906: wrappers: don't generate an [Install] section for timer or dbus activated services <Simple 😃> <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9906>
[07:31] <mborzecki> jamesh: ah, so we're ok then
[07:32] <jamesh> mborzecki: right.  This was primarily to stop the services being reported as disabled.  It has the side effect of stopping users running "systemctl enable" on them behind snapd's back though.
[07:36] <zyga> hey guys
[07:36] <zyga> hey mvo
[07:36] <mvo> good morning zyga
[08:03] <pstolowski> morning
[08:04] <mborzecki> zyga: mvo: pstolowski: hey
[08:04] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1915156 ?
[08:04] <mup> Bug #1915156: sudoers file keeps being tracked as part of snapd <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1915156>
[08:05] <mborzecki> mvo: i looked at package workflows, but it's not clear where is the right point where we can try to remove /etc/sudoers.d/99-snapd.conf
[08:18] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks, I have a look at this
[08:18] <mvo> mborzecki: conffile removal is a bit of a tricky topic
[08:19] <mvo> pstolowski: also good morning :)
[08:19] <pstolowski> o/
[08:29] <mup> PR snapd#9919 closed: many: add Delegate=true to generated systemd units for special interfaces <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9919>
[08:34] <mvo> pedronis, mborzecki, pstolowski I will do 2.49 now, just merged the delegate fix from ian. any concerns?
[08:34] <mup> PR snapd#9904 closed: tests/nested/core20/boot-config-update: skip when snapd was not built with test features <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9904>
[08:34] <mup> PR snapd#9920 opened: many: add Delegate=true to generated systemd units for special interfaces (master) <⚠ Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9920>
[08:36] <pstolowski> mvo: sounds good, i don't have anything unmerged
[08:37] <mborzecki> mvo: go for it, i don't have anything to land for 2.49
[08:40] <mvo> thanks!
[09:28] <pstolowski> mborzecki: hey, i saw you self-requested your review on #9853, do you have some time to look at it? would be great to pave the way for the other PRs in the queue ;)
[09:28] <mup> PR #9853: api: validate snaps against validation set assert from the store <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9853>
[09:54] <mborzecki> pstolowski: yes, will do in a bit
[09:55] <pstolowski> ty
[09:55] <pedronis> pstolowski: hi, I tried to answer your question in #9901
[09:55] <mup> PR #9901: o/devicestate,many: introduce DeviceManager.preloadGadget for EarlyConfig <Run nested> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9901>
[09:56] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks, btw, silly question, what do you mean with https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9893#discussion_r573065948 ?
[09:56] <mup> PR #9893: store: support validation sets with fetch-assertions action <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9893>
[10:00] <mup> PR snapd#9906 closed: wrappers: don't generate an [Install] section for timer or dbus activated services <Simple 😃> <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9906>
[10:00] <pedronis> pstolowski: sorry, I think I left out a word.  I meant to move the append to the first if with the same condition
[10:02] <pstolowski> pedronis: ah, that, yes, makes sense, i was considering it before
[10:02] <pstolowski> thx
[10:02] <pedronis> pstolowski: if the value appended was a value and not a pointer, that doesn't work, but it's a pointer here unless I'm mistaken
[10:03] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes, sure
[10:05] <mup> PR snapd#9921 opened: boot: helper for setting up a try recover system  <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9921>
[11:11] <pstolowski> pedronis, mborzecki thanks for the review
[11:19] <mborzecki> yw
[12:15] <mup> PR snapd#9853 closed: api: validate snaps against validation set assert from the store <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9853>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#9922 opened: api: validation sets monitor mode <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9922>
[14:41] <mvo> mborzecki, ijohnson, pedronis the snapd build failure on risc-v on hirsute seems to be caused by a the go upload that dropped the risc-v patches, so nothing we can do on our side
[14:41] <ijohnson> weird, but also maybe good since it's not our problem for sure :-)
[14:42] <mborzecki> aka problem solved ;)
[14:50] <ijohnson> mvo: do you want me to sort out to conflicts with #9920 ?
[14:50] <mup> PR #9920: many: add Delegate=true to generated systemd units for special interfaces (master) <⚠ Critical> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9920>
[14:52] <mvo> ijohnson: uh, I did not even saw them, sorry
[14:52] <mvo> ijohnson: I must have done something silly, I thought I had based this on upstream/master
[14:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#3436 opened: WIP: More complete PYTHONPATH in the gnome-3-38 build environment <Created by kenvandine> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3436>
[14:54] <mvo> ijohnson: let me have a look
[14:54] <ijohnson> mvo: ok, I also have a branch ready too if you'd rather me just open a new pr
[14:56] <mvo> ijohnson: either way is fine, just had a look and the conflcit is trivial to fix (already done)
[14:56] <ijohnson> sure you can push your fix then
[14:56] <mvo> ijohnson: pushed then
[17:22] <mup> PR snapd#9918 closed: boot: use a common helper for mocking boot assets in cache <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9918>
[18:12] <mup> PR snapd#9923 opened: o/snapstate/check_snap.go: add support for many subversions in assumes snapdX <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9923>
[18:18] <zyga> mvo hey
[18:18] <zyga> mvo a bit late, are you around?
[18:18] <mvo> zyga: in meetings
[18:18] <zyga> mvo sure, maybe I can catch you the day after tomorrow
[18:19] <zyga> wanted to sync about that snap-update-ns problem
[18:25] <mvo> zyga: sure, maybe I can answer async?
[18:26] <zyga> mvo sure, wanted to ack if anyone had more insight into this problem and if it was pin-pointed as to exact which mount entry is at fault
[18:39] <mvo> zyga: we did not dig deeper but I think it is and we need to implement your idea about x-fragile
[18:41] <zyga> mvo did maciek comment on the idea and the problem?
[18:42] <zyga> mvo tomorrow I have a whole day of meetings, but I would love to sync later to see how to implement it
[18:42] <zyga> (so Friday)
[18:43] <mvo> zyga: the consensus is that you are right but we did not yet dove deep
[18:43] <mvo> (AFAIK)
[18:43] <zyga> thanks
[18:43] <zyga> I'd love to try this over wekeend
[18:43] <zyga> I'll send some ideas on Sunday
[18:47] <mvo> zyga: \o/
[20:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#3436 closed: WIP: More complete PYTHONPATH in the gnome-3-38 build environment <Created by kenvandine> <Closed by kenvandine> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3436>
[20:42] <mup> PR snapd#9924 opened: interfaces/docker-support: add autobind unix rules to docker-support <Needs security review> <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9924>
[21:25] <jdstrand> emi__torino: hi! would you mind adding me as a collaborator to the ufw snap? I talked about this with Beret before I left (and also roadmr, but he isn't here now; also, hi Beret! :)
[21:25] <jdstrand> emi__torino: I'll give you the address in privmsg
[21:27] <jdstrand> emitorino: hey, I didn't see your answer if you gave one
[21:27] <emitorino> sure, let me do it (trying again)
[21:27] <jdstrand> emitorino: thanks! :)
[21:29] <emitorino> jdstrand, I cannot. Since I am not a collaborator it seems I dont have the permissions to do it
[21:29] <jdstrand> hmm, well, roadmr said he would do it for me. I guess I can ask him when he is around
[21:29] <emitorino> I can ask in the internal snappy mattermost channel to roadmr
[21:30] <jdstrand> emitorino: ah, if he's there, that would be great. thank you :)
[21:56] <kenvandine> hey jdstrand!
[22:02] <emitorino> jdstrand, you should be again a collaborator to the ufw snap. Could you please share? roadmr un-revoked the share
[22:10] <jdstrand> hey kenvandine :) nice to 'see' you :)
[22:10] <jdstrand> emitorino: let me check
[22:18] <jdstrand> emitorino: ok, I was looking for an invite, but it looks like it was just done without it. I now see it in 'my published snaps' and can see https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/ufw/. I'm good. thanks and thanks to roadmr :)
[22:18] <emitorino> great jdstrand !


[04:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:57] <marcoagpinto> The cola demon!!!!
[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:45] <marcoagpinto> morning
[07:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:45] <marcoagpinto> lordievader!
[08:07] <lordievader> Heho marcoagpinto
[20:28] <hggdh> oerheks: to answer your question: there is (was) no requirement for Canonicalers to be members of the community; they apply if they so wish
[20:28] <hggdh> but, when they apply, they go thru the same process as anybody else
[20:30] <oerheks> hggdh, i know it is not demandatory.
[20:30] <oerheks> and sorry, i should not ask during meeting, sadly
[20:30] <hggdh> heh
[20:30] <hggdh> I frankly see no issue if the question is pertinent
[20:31] <oerheks> but i am really impressed, by his resume
[20:32] <hggdh> anyways -- at least of old, the Canonicalers that applied had presence in the community -- meaning they were, already, interested in Ubuntu more than just because it was their job
[20:32] <oerheks> I think it is logical to do so, to keep feeling as a volunteer with the community.
[20:33] <hggdh> a a co-worker of mine, years ago, was a theoretical physicist, PhD, that worked for years at a supercomputing centre, working on boundary problems -- then just moved to pure software