[00:00] <Sven_vB> also gddrescue
[00:00] <blackflow> combined with pv, it's a swiss knife of moving data :)
[00:00] <WoC> or converting obscure tape backups
[00:01] <FroMaster> nacc, You have any idea why a new install using 16.04.4 ISO and doing an apt dist-upgrade would be coming up as 16.04.5?
[00:01] <Sven_vB> thanks for that hint! pv is nice indeed.
[00:01] <WoC> :)
[00:06] <tomreyn> FroMaster: this is actually fine. it's just earlier than we assumed, since 16.04.5 is not released, yet. but you'd normally expect to be able to 'upgrade' to the newer point release by apt dist-upgrade
[00:07] <FroMaster> I guess when they fix the 4.15 kernel, they'll update 16.04.5 to it...
[00:07] <FroMaster> That will fix my underlying issue :D
[00:07] <tomreyn> i assume this is likely to coincide, yes. but not certain.
[00:25] <veeseaczar2> Could anyone assist me? I just switched to Bionic from Xenial-based Zorin OS... The upgrades after installing the iso have me stuck loading GNOME into oblivion.... It never boots fully.
[00:26] <veeseaczar2> From the iso***
[00:27] <veeseaczar2> I see its an existing bug but the workarounds dont make any sense. In recovery mode, APT believes the internet is inaccessible and wpa_supplicant is echoing this.
[00:27] <tomreyn> this channel only supports ubuntu, which doesn't support in-place migrations from other OS.
[00:28] <veeseaczar2> I mean ubuntu was working fully before its own automated updates.
[00:28] <veeseaczar2> I was *using* bionic for like 2 hours or so.
[00:29] <veeseaczar2> It was a fresh distro, with its own partition. The old OS was wiped entirely.
[00:30] <tomreyn> oh, so you just copied data from the old OS, but not packages?
[00:30] <veeseaczar2> No.
[00:30] <veeseaczar2> Nothing from the old OS exists.
[00:31] <veeseaczar2> I installed Bionic using a usb drive.
[00:31] <tomreyn> alright
[00:31] <veeseaczar2> It worked. It theb updated itself and asked for a restart.
[00:31] <veeseaczar2> Now it hangs for ever on the boot screen.
[00:31] <masaki> veeseaczar2, try reinstalling just the grub bootloader
[00:32] <kk4ewt> veeseaczar2, if you press control-alt-f3 do you get a terminal
[00:32] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: can you boot to a previous kernel image?
[00:32] <veeseaczar2> Right im in there i think. I have the option to run as root. Are we thinking of the same thing?
[00:33] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: i think you're now in the recovery menu
[00:33] <veeseaczar2> It fails on both 4.4.1-x.x.25 and 20... The only two kernel images on the machine.
[00:34] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: 4.4.1? bionic should come with a much newer kernel
[00:34] <veeseaczar2> Let me double check the exact kernels...
[00:34] <veeseaczar2> I just said the number i remember. Let me verify.
[00:34] <veeseaczar2> (I think i pulled that outta my ass)
[00:34] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[00:35] <veeseaczar2> I have 4.15.0-23 and 20 generic.
[00:35] <veeseaczar2> Neither boot.
[00:36] <tomreyn> well, they boot, just not to the desktop. otherwise (not booting at all) you would not be able to get to the recovery menu
[00:36] <veeseaczar2> Sorry. Yes youre right.
[00:36] <veeseaczar2> Yeah they hang forever on an attempt to load Gnome.
[00:37] <tomreyn> you could look at /var/log/syslog and try to find out why it would not boot
[00:37] <veeseaczar2> Okay
[00:37] <veeseaczar2> So im going back into theroot shell now to do that
[00:37] <tomreyn> hmm, not loading gnome, are these older integrated intel graphics? or an atom cpu?
[00:38] <veeseaczar2> AMD a8.
[00:38] <veeseaczar2> Old boym
[00:38] <wr> how is ubuntu installed on uefi?
[00:39] <veeseaczar2> Im illiterate as to the meaning of that question
[00:40] <veeseaczar2> I switched ro CSM if thats whats your asking
[00:40] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: i'm not sure whether this would help there, but you could try replacing gdm by lithdm
[00:40] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: i don't think wr was addressing you, but asking a question on their own
[00:40] <veeseaczar2> So id love.to. Apt will not see the network connection
[00:41] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: you only have wireless, no ethernet?
[00:43] <veeseaczar2> Coreect. Unless i repurpose the ethernet cable at the back of the router.
[00:43] <veeseaczar2> Which inwill now try
[00:44] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: once this is done, press ctrl-d until you're back on the recovery menu, then enable networking there.
[00:45] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: also try to edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and remove the # in front of : #WaylandEnable=false
[00:47] <veeseaczar2> Okay. Once i do this inwill be disconnected from this chat. How do I make sure it defaults to lightdm and not gdm?
[00:48] <veeseaczar2> The lte signal wherw i am is non existent. I just found out.
[00:50] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: sudo apt update; sudo apt install lightdm; sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[00:51] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: but try just the configuration file change first
[00:51] <veeseaczar2> Alright.
[00:51] <tomreyn> veeseaczar2: i need to leave for now, good luck
[00:51] <veeseaczar2> Many thanks
[00:55] <veeseaczar2> masaki: you think reinstalling the grub bootloader would work?
[00:57] <masaki> veeseaczar2, it's worth a try, i had an issue like that when dual booting windows
[00:58] <veeseaczar2> How do i achieve this?
[00:58] <masaki> veeseaczar2, it's also easy to try. boot up your live drive/cd
[00:58] <veeseaczar2> K
[00:58] <masaki> veeseaczar2, run boot-repair
[00:58] <masaki> veeseaczar2, click 'recommended repair'
[00:59] <masaki> veeseaczar2, reboot your system, and the original boot menu will be restored
[01:02] <doug16k> dns_masq just slows down my DNS queries (drastically). how do I just turn it off so I don't have to `service dns_masq stop` anymore?
[01:02] <doug16k> er, dnsmasq
[01:13] <veeseaczar2> masaki:
[01:16] <masaki> veeseaczar2, did it work?
[01:21] <veeseaczar2> No. I formatted my usb back to a thumb drive. Im using a friends computer just to grab Xubuntu.
[01:21] <veeseaczar2> Im gonna start all over again.
[01:22] <veeseaczar2> Tomreyn made it seem to me like he expected the issue was due to the older apu.
[01:22] <veeseaczar2> So maybe a lighterweight distro is the answer.
[01:22] <rfm> doug16k, why not just uninstall it?  "apt purge dnsmasq"
[01:23] <masaki> veeseaczar2, Ah  I see yeah hope it works out
[01:24] <veeseaczar2> Sorry to be clear... I boned up by almost immediately restoring my usb back tonstorage after install.
[01:31] <Budgii> Anyone know how to fix ethernet not being detected?
[01:31] <Budgii> I tried installing some wireless adapter drivers, failed but after that ethernet quit working..
[01:36] <Guest9024> Hey, I have been struggling with a fresh ubuntu 18.04 installation on my old laptop (msi ge40). Periotically, one of my cpu threads (I think this laptop only has 4 cores and 8 threads) peaks to 100% cpu usage because of the kworker. I tried editing crontab to disable gpe06 and gpe17, but this doesn't work consistently. I am new to linux and I am still guessing at the issue. Could it be my wireless card? Dropbox? None of the processes really stood out. I
[01:36] <Guest9024> think I ran into a similar issue on an earlier version of mint before I just revert back to windows to fix wifi issues and overheating.
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> Guest9024: kworker is part of the system kernel. It's there to handle the Input/Output of the computer. It is normal for it to spike from time to time. If you have a lot of applications running at one time, this can also cause spikes, even if those applications are mostly idle.
[01:42] <Guest9024> It spikes to 100% and stays there. I don't think this is normal. When it gets stuck at 100%, eventually the cpu temp rises to 70C.
[01:42] <pragmaticenigma> Guest9024: You can also follow the advisement of this article to generate traces of what's going on in your machine. https://askubuntu.com/a/421916
[01:42] <Budgii> o/ pragmaticenigma
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> Grabbing a few snap shots over some amount of time, and see what is most commonly displaying. the case of the poster in that forum, it was their ethernet card
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> 'alo Budgii
[01:44] <Guest9024> Earlier results seems to show that it's my wifi card (killer) erroring out and thus causing kworker to overwork.
[01:45] <Budgii> Greetings!
[01:45] <pragmaticenigma> Guest9024: that is very possible to be the root cause then. that may indicate the wireless chipset isn't being properly identified or it's configuration isn't optimal
[01:47] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, I apologize, but i don't handle accept Private/Direct Messages here. For your question, you may find the channel ##windows to be helpful
[01:48] <Budgii> thanks, i'll check there. may I ask why? we had in the past.
[01:50] <doug16k> I filed a kernel bug and was told to try the kernel found here -> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.18-rc5    I downloaded them and used dpkg to install them, and got errors -> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/doug65536/bad74d479d3eb1341d72a244000e393d/raw/86e801d0d05dbb05f2ce9c06242d54df9312223f/gistfile1.txt
[01:50] <doug16k> is my system all screwed up now?
[01:52] <doug16k> I've never successfully installed a kernel on ubuntu in my entire life. I've never seen it actually work once
[01:52] <doug16k> only dist-upgrade ones have ever worked
[01:52] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: I don't believe your system is bad... you might want to change your grub settings to make sure you can easily boot to one of the other kernels if the new default one fails
[01:53] <doug16k> "ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-4.18.0-041800rc5-generic is not supported" means apport doesn't support the new kernel, but the kernel installed okay?
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: My recommendation is to follow up with that trace in your bug ticket. It's best if you keep things in one place. I know it's hard to wait for a response, but in the end the assistance it will help others is invaluable
[01:54] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: The person who recommended you install that kernel is going to be the best candidate to field your questions
[01:54] <doug16k> ok thanks
[01:55] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: The good news is there is a way to get you back and running if things go south
[01:55] <doug16k> this is the bug in case anyone is curious -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1781016
[01:56] <doug16k> pragmaticenigma, theoretically I can go into advanced options in grub and pick the normal kernel if it goes south, right?
[01:58] <pragmaticenigma> yes, when you boot (hold shift if you haven't changed settings) and see the grub menu, you will be able to select one of the other kernels.
[01:58] <doug16k> ok thanks, trying it now :)
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> doug16k: looks like you got booted back up :-)
[02:43] <Budgii> Can anyone help me troubleshoot ethernet issue? Ethernet quit working after trying to install some wireless drivers for a netgear USB adapter. Not sure where to go.
[02:43] <doug16k> yep, worked fine enough. strangely I get a nouveau message in dmesg, and additional drivers says I am using nvidia driver, but oh well :D
[02:54] <guiverc_t> Budgii, if you `ip addr` do you see an ip address (or listing for your ethernet device)?
[02:55] <Budgii> is that in terminal?
[02:55] <Budgii> I'll have to boot into that OS to find out
[02:55] <Budgii> Unfortunately it will kick me from this
[02:55] <Budgii> I may dive in this weekend to resolve it
[02:56] <Budgii> But for now, if I do see an IP address, what do i do, guiverc_t?
[02:57] <guiverc_t> can you `ping <IP_ADDRESS>`  Budgii (to see if you can get external, routing exists etc)
[02:57] <Hexical> Hey guys, im having a problem with svftpd and I've looked all over online and nothing is helping. Everything connects, but when I try to login it gives me a "421 Login Incorrect". I know its the right login though, and its not similar to the 503 error im seeing online.
[02:57] <guiverc_t> fyi: <IP_ADDRESS> is google's dns; easy to remember :)
[02:58] <Budgii> guiverc_t, to be more specific, log into my ubuntu, go to terminal and ping 8.8.8?
[02:58] <Budgii> without a connection?
[02:59] <guiverc_t> Budgii, <IP_ADDRESS>; you'll get a good response if works; or network unreachable (if not connected), or long long delay etc...
[02:59] <drwhite> Hi folks!
[02:59] <Randolf> In Chinese culture, the number 8 has a superstitious value meaning "prosperity."
[02:59] <drwhite> I just upgraded to 18 from 16, and the pc now takes over 1 minute to shut down.
[02:59] <drwhite> in 16 it only took 5 seconds.
[02:59] <Budgii> guiverc_t, i'm assuming no response. If i am unable to reach a webpage
[02:59] <Randolf> So, Google is probably regarded very nicely in China for that IP address alone.
[02:59] <Budgii> in which case, what would be the next step?
[03:00] <drwhite> Is there anything that has gone wrong on install to cause this please?
[03:00] <guiverc_t> Budgii, no.. unless you used numbers (real ip addresses to access web page).. why I used <IP_ADDRESS> & not google.com - to see if your issue was DNS (domain name...)
[03:00] <Budgii> Well, I just tried to install some netgear drivers for a USB and then ethernet wouldn't work after
[03:01] <Budgii> even with those, the wifi would not work either.
[03:01] <Budgii> I'll boot quickly and see what I can find.
[03:01] <Budgii> Hate to log off. Lol.
[03:02] <Hexical> its really frustrating when no one else online has had your problem aha
[03:02] <Budgii> yes sir
[03:02] <Budgii> brb
[03:03] <Hexical> i can't find any thread about my error
[03:03] <Hexical> only a 503
[03:03] <Hexical> its driving me insane
[03:05] <Lord-Kamina> Does anybody know how could I have autoconf dump the config.log to stdout (on a failed build)?
[03:06] <Budgii> I return
[03:07] <Budgii> Network unreachable 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:07] <Budgii> Advice
[03:07] <Budgii> accepted.  Had ethernet working fine. Moved, ethernet was not as convienient having a cable across the floor. Attempted to install some netgear drivers for a USB adapter, 'seemingly' worked but failed me. Ethernet no longer worked after that.
[03:12] <drwhite> Found the slow issue. I was searching for version 18, but it was happenning to people in 16, which I didn't have the issue in 16. Found it now.   "sudo systemctl disable cups-browsed.service"
[03:12] <guiverc_t> sorry I meant summarize the results of the lshw -C network... for my machine it seems ethernet, lists capabilities & lotsa tech stuff, 1gb/s etc.  configuration .. driver=e1000e etc. looks okay
[03:13] <Budgii> Not really needing ubuntu tonight.. i may try fixing this another night
[03:13] <guiverc_t> (i'm trying to see if it's recognized; the command shows errors; or possibly it doens't list your ethernet device at all [hoping it's not this!]..
[03:14] <Budgii> I did the ping, it seems its not recognized
[03:14] <Budgii> but i mean
[03:14] <guiverc_t> Budgii, understood; you also get someone better at this than me :)
[03:14] <Budgii> yeah I see where you are going with it, no problem. appreciate your input
[03:14] <Budgii> no, you are great.
[03:14] <guiverc_t> pinging issue doesn't relate to unrecognized card; could be it can't recognize connection (but card okay)
[03:15] <Budgii> O
[03:15] <Budgii> In that case, BRB.
[03:15] <Budgii> going to use caps for clarity here: 'SUDO LSHW -C NETWORK'
[03:15] <Budgii> is that correct?
[03:16] <guiverc_t> Budgii, a last hail-mary try - try `sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager`  (restart network manager service)
[03:17] <guiverc_t> yeah but all lowercase.. (*nix is case sensitive)
[03:17] <guiverc_t> -C in upper case
[03:17] <Budgii> I have photographed these messages. I will return shortly. thank you for confirming. :D
[03:18] <ghostnik11> if i try and install xfce or mate DE, can i just do it without getting all of the applications. like can i just get the desktop
[03:18] <ghostnik11> to test out to see if its faster and less taxing on my little 2 in 1 machine
[03:19] <guiverc_t> ghostnik11, yes you can, but I don't know the package names.  also if you use an app for one DE in another DE you could be wasting memory so a lighter DE may not have the intended memory/speed boost if you don't change apps...
[03:20] <guiverc_t> also the version of Ubuntu makes a difference, eg. MATE is now all GTK+3, but older Ubuntu MATE was GTK+2 (or in-between), making software choice more significant...
[03:21] <guiverc_t> ghostnik11, why there is Gedit for GNOME 3, Pluma for MATE, Mousepad for XFCE, Leafpad for LXDE -- all editors that use libs already in memory; far more efficient than using an editor for the wrong DE that causes libs for two DE's to be needed in memory...
[03:22] <k_sze[work]> Is it possible to do a do-release-upgrade of 16.04 without waiting for 18.04.1 (if I'm feeling extra impatient)?
[03:23] <guiverc_t> k_sze[work], you can try, but i bet it'll tell you there are no upgrades found... (or whatever its error is)
[03:23] <guiverc_t> (yeah it is - with -d)
[03:25] <Budgii> I return
[03:26] <Budgii> It is recognizing the PCIe wireless card. I guess I should delv into getting those drivers installed
[03:26] <Budgii> I didn't try ethernet again, after that reset cmd. that would mean wifi would go down, others in the house would lose connection and doing important task.
[03:26] <Budgii> Glad to know it's seeing the new adapter.
[03:26] <Budgii> Thanks for your help!
[03:29] <thugXYZ> Hello
[03:29] <thugXYZ> Is there any way i can recover some files that i removed :/
[03:31] <thugXYZ> The problem is i cant access the internet from my laptop
[03:31] <thugXYZ> And i cant install any tools
[03:31] <ghostnik11> guiverc_t, so i would need to basically test out an environment then delete the other ones that i don't want to use?
[03:31] <guiverc_t> thugXYZ, i believe testdisk & photorec but I'm no expert - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[03:32] <thugXYZ> I cant install them guiverc_t  because i cant access the internet
[03:32] <thugXYZ> Need help please @.@
[03:33] <guiverc_t> ghostnik11, ideally yes; using your workflow & apps (which would take time, as whilst my example editor apps are all very similar; they're not all identical).  you could also test using 'live' (ubuntu flavor install media) if you didn't want to install..
[03:34] <guiverc_t> thugXYZ, i'd not touch your machine until you had them restored.  I'd be using a 'live' environment so as to not overwrite the file entries, or inodes etc....
[03:48] <ghostnik11> guiverc, okay i will have to try both because i have a 2 in 1 asus t100taf with only 2gb of ram (or 1.9gb) with a 32gb mmcblk hard drive so, i want to see which one will be faster than unity and cinnamon because i have tried unity on this machine which i have ubuntu 16.04 but unity is pretty but takes time to do stuff, and cinnamon is faster but still lags. so i have to try booth and see
[03:49] <ghostnik11> guiverc, i do know that i am going from heaviest amounts of resources to less as: Unity > cinnamon > mate > xfce > lxde; so the heaviest ones are unity and cinnamon
[03:50] <guiverc> unity & cinnamon are both GTK+3 & won't be light on memory or resources.. xfce will be the fastest (18.04 MATE uses GTK+3 too so won't be as light as say 16.04 LTS)
[03:51] <guiverc> XFCE is slower (taking longer) moving to GTK+ v3; (gtk+2 is lighter than gtk+3)
[03:53] <guiverc> you can disable some of the pretty things in Unity making it faster (lighter)
[03:54] <guiverc> i'd agree with your order; but things change; eg. MATE using GTK+2 is lighter than MATE using GTK+3;  LXDE (GTK+2) is moving to Qt (LXQt) rather than GTK+3
[04:03] <codenomics_> I had an OS drive fail, got a new drive and installed ubuntu on it, now I am trying to rebuild a RAID partition
[04:03] <codenomics_> I get to mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm.conf and it says permission denied
[04:06] <ghostnik11> guiverc, so right now the ones in the repository are: xfce (gtk+3), mate (gtk+3) or do they have gtk+2 by default for both of them in the repos?
[04:06] <guiverc> codenomics_, rather obvious, but did you use `sudo` ?
[04:07] <codenomics_> yeah
[04:07] <codenomics_> guiverc, that was my first thought too lol
[04:08] <guiverc> ghostnik11, mate was gnome2 forked; gnome2 used gtk+2 so mate used forked gtk+2 libs .. it was being moved to gtk+3 progressively (now is using gtk+3) so it depends which version you are using...  (16.04 MATE is lighter than 18.04 MATE..) -- xfce is well behind mate in move to gtk+3
[04:10] <guiverc> gtk~=gimp.toolkit; gtk+~=gimp&gnome.toolkit ; Qt = Q toolkit; used by KDE, LXQt...
[04:11] <guiverc> (also Qt5 is lighter than Qt4)
[04:13] <ghostnik11> guiverc, thanks i didn't know what those stood for, so i will have to try them all on my one system. because its hard to run a usb live boot on a machine that windows basically told manufacture on to make it dificult to put any other operating system. i know its not good to run all these different desktop environments on one machine
[04:17] <guiverc> fyi ghostnik11 - if you have a android phone/tablet, android uses Qt
[04:18] <qwebirc8077> Hi
[04:19] <qwebirc8077> does it take alot to jump from 5. Prepare to install Ubuntu to 6. Allocate drive space?
[04:20] <guiverc> qwebirc8077, jump from 5 to 6?  i don't follow sorry?  (want to elaborate?)
[04:21] <qwebirc8077> WHEN INSTALLING
[04:21] <qwebirc8077> IT ASK We advise enabling both Download updates and Install third-party software
[04:22] <qwebirc8077> so you click to check both and then does it takes a long time to load?
[04:22] <qwebirc8077> i cant jump to the next screennyet
[04:23] <guiverc> it's probably safer to download & install updates during install; myself I don't  (as I point mine at a local mirror before I update)
[04:24] <qwebirc8077> so it isbnormal it takes a long time to allow mw tonjump tonthe next phase of thebinstallation
[04:24] <qwebirc8077> if i checked bpth
[04:24] <guiverc> qwebirc8077, i don't know; it would depend on your setup, your network speed etc.  the average time was 18mins for 18.04 installs so far; but no machine is 'average'
[04:25] <ghostnik11> guiverc, yeah i have an android phone and it runs pretty smoothly but i feel like my android phone battery with all the stuff that i have going on in background drops a lot of power and thats just some basic stuff. so basically your saying that LXDE would run like android smooth? while xfce and mate might move a little more sluggish. here is my spec i am using an intel atom cpu @ 1.33GHz x 4 (cherry trail i think is code
[04:25] <ghostnik11> name) and intel atom processor graphics card and 1.9Gb of ram
[04:25] <ghostnik11> i have a 32gb mmcblk hard drive that is soldered onto the mother board then have another 32gb microsd card also for some expandable storage
[04:26] <qwebirc8077> i see thanks its been like 20 but my netvisnt the greatest atm
[04:29] <guiverc> no; android using Qt was only a fyi.  On an atom cpu I'd go LXDE or XFCE myself probably, but what apps, and what you want to do will dicate best for you (try & avoid using apps for another DE if at all possible; to avoid memory-waste by having multiple libs that do the same thing in memory..)
[04:33] <ghostnik11> guiverc, yeah so i will tr LXDE and XFCE instead of mate. so i will try and install both now then take off cinnamon? or do you think i should logout and boot back into unity desktop then uninstall cinnamon before i put on lxde and xfce
[04:36] <guiverc> if you have the disk space ghostnik11; I'd leave cinnamon there, so you can logout & then compare... you'll have larger updates (both will upgrade), and you'll get best results if you compare one DE's (leafpad) app with that DE (lxde), and not say gedit (unity/cinnamon's editor) in all.. but the best for you is whatever apps you settle with using...
[04:43] <Raybih> Mormons also believe that there are other gods and goddesses outside the Godhead, such as a Heavenly Mother who is the wife of God the Father, and that faithful Mormons may attain godhood in the afterlife. Oneness Pentecostalism defines salvation as repentance, full-submersion water baptism (in the name of Jesus Christ) and baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other
[04:43] <Raybih> tongues.
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Raybih: not here
[04:44] <gsvtest> Is Mormon a new distribution?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> gsvtest: dont feed offtopic please
[04:45] <gsvtest> sorry :(
[04:49] <ghostnik11> guiverc, yeah usually i just use basic stuff, like i need stuff for studying like the standard document viewer,terminal, vlc, mplayer, anki, calibre, my office applications, txt editor, and etc. oh by the way all i have is 5.3 gb of disk space left? should i still try it, as the way you suggested?
[04:51] <guiverc> 5.3gb is plenty of disk space to try; as long as you aren't going to do-release-upgrade (skip to next version) anytime soon (that needs space!)... just try & remember to delete what you don't use when you're happy  (before do-release-upgrade anyway)
[04:55] <ghostnik11> guiverc, i can't, i will be with ubuntu 16.04 till they don't do anymore long term support. my device is super specific and 16.04 runs great on it. with no lag so i will stay with it so i shouldn't really have any release upgrades. also the other thing is i have android dualbooted along with ubuntu 16.04 so it takes up space on my machine also
[04:55] <guiverc> :)
[05:40] <stoian> I've just bought a game for Linux from HumbleBundle, Trine3. And when I try to run it, I see a huge blank window that creates a huge growing memory leak. They provide their own dependencies in their lib folder. When running ldd all seems fine. I'm running on Intel UHD 620, OpelGL 4.5, they recommend nVidia propritary with OpenGL 4.1 Any ideas? :(
[06:06] <snake-venom> hi.. https://imgur.com/a/usovk9E here is my setting for software and update.. i want to know if these are correct or i need to change someting ?
[06:09] <ghostnik11> guiverc, okay so i thought i installed lxde but it doesn't show up when i logout but xfce is a lot faster than cinnamon
[06:11] <guiverc> ghostnik11, i don't know, but you may see lxde after reboot  (unless only part of it was installed).
[06:11] <guiverc> looks fine to me snake-venom
[06:12] <vikash> Hi, everyone, I am trying to load two character sets in ubuntu virtual terminal, but only one is getting loaded, whichever is first in the list. Any idea why this is happenning?
[06:14] <gogeta> ghostnik11: you would be shocked at how fast plasma 5 kde is
[06:14] <AHemlocksLie> I'm on 18.04 trying to use adb to connect to my Android phone, but it can't seem to find the device. "adb devices" shows a blank list, even with sudo, but fastboot finds the phone. I've tried the udev rule I see all over google, but that do anything, either. Any ideas what might be the issue?
[06:15] <AHemlocksLie> didn't* do anything, either.
[06:15] <snake-venom> guiverc, should not we enable  " Source " ?
[06:15] <guiverc> snake-venom, only if you want to download the source code for programs, make changes, recompile etc...
[06:15] <snake-venom> no then :)
[06:19] <ghostnik11> guiverc, well i went with lxde from respository?
[06:21] <xeqtr> Hi! Does anyone here run ubuntu on a macbook pro? I have the problem with a flickering screen but can't seem to find a solution that works for me.
[06:23] <MuffinPimp> Hell, my screen flickers in macOS
[06:24] <ghostnik11> guiverc, is there another way i can check to see if i have it via terminal
[06:24] <guiverc> ghostnik11, my current install was standard ubuntu, `lubuntu-desktop` (xubuntu-desktop..) has been added (is running now); but I vaguely recall having to reboot to see it
[06:24] <ghostnik11> gogeta, yeah i don't have such specs, i did reboot
[06:25] <ghostnik11> guiverc, i rebooted
[06:25] <ghostnik11> guiverc, still no change
[06:27] <guiverc> ghostnik11, if you were to `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop` it'll list a number of packages that will be installed; you're likely missing one or more of them (plus probably other apps you don't need, but come with lubuntu)
[06:28] <guiverc> note: i'm not saying to type 'y' to install; it was to look at what will be installed; and hopefully get a clue (though you'll probably not recognize what you need; but you'll see how much extra it'll pull in to see if you're comfortable to try that)
[06:44] <ghostnik11> guiverc, okay i finished via terminal will reboot
[06:55] <ghostnik11> guiverc, okay so it changed my entire system to lubuntu
[07:02] <ghostnik11> guiverc, okay so since its now straight lubuntu, i would have to do: sudo apt-get remove lubuntu
[07:02] <abusado> got a noob question where should I put or how can I run a sh script when the machine is starting up/
[07:02] <Sh4d03_> Hi guys, so I *tried* to install lightdm, but despite the simplicity of this task, something went wrong. All of a sudden when I tried to log in, I was in a log in loop (entered user/pass, hit enter, creds would be accepted but the login screen would reappear). I did a reconfigure on the lightdm package and set gdm3 back as the login manager - same issue. So I mv'd .Xauthority to .Xauthority.bak and now I
[07:03] <abusado> there is no rc.local
[07:03] <Sh4d03_> can login, but it's not my usual window manager / desktop. What will I need to do to reconfigure the defaults?
[07:03] <Sh4d03_> abusado: at boot? Or at login?
[07:03] <abusado> at boot.. not login
[07:03] <naufalziidane_> hello all
[07:03] <abusado> it should run without logging in that's what I want to achieve
[07:07] <abusado> anyone?
[07:07] <ppf> abusado: what's the script going to do
[07:08] <ppf> and what do you mean "no rc.local"
[07:08] <abusado> just simple things run the java to enable the application server
[07:09] <abusado> wanted to run the application server automatically
[07:09] <ppf> right
[07:10] <ppf> then you don't use a shell script, you write a systemd  service
[07:10] <ppf> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd
[07:12] <abusado> how about when shutting down how to automatically shutdown the application server? is it still systemd?
[07:12] <ppf> yes
[07:12] <abusado> thanks ppf gonna try it
[07:24] <vikash> Hi, everyone, I am trying to load two character sets in ubuntu virtual terminal, but only one is getting loaded, whichever is first in the list. Any idea why this is happenning?
[07:26] <ppf> vikash: how would you use two character sets simultaneously?
[07:27] <vikash> ppf: I have some application which prints/displays characters from both character sets
[07:27] <ppf> that's a buggy application then
[07:28] <vikash> ppf: why is that?
[07:28] <ppf> because two character sets at the same time makes no sense
[07:30] <vikash> ppf: say you have a file which contains some Arabic characters and some english character, then how would you display it on the terminal?
[07:30] <ppf> that's not character sets
[07:30] <ppf> a character set is something like utf8
[07:31] <ppf> which encodes a mapping between bit representation and characters
[07:31] <ppf> having two makes zero sense
[07:31] <Rumen> Hello
[07:32] <Rumen> I have a question. After I changed the video card and the driver with nvidia-390 I have problems with Libreoggice and Google Maps. 50% of the times I open LibreOffice or Google Maps the whole Computer freeze.
[07:32] <vikash> ppf: alright, so I guess, in my case it is two fonts
[07:33] <vikash> ppf: any idea how do I load two fonts in linux virtual terminal
[07:33] <Rumen> Eee I mean Libreoffice
[07:33] <ppf> the terminal uses only one font
[07:33] <vikash> ppf: terminal can use two fonts, I have done it on a ubuntu machine
[07:34] <vikash> ppf: but is is not working on a beagleboard
[07:34] <ppf> well which  terminal are we talking about?
[07:34] <REQUIEM8> Hi!
[07:34] <vikash> ppf: linux virtual consoles
[07:35] <ppf> raw ttys?
[07:35] <vikash> ppf: yes
[07:36] <ppf> those especially have only a single font
[07:43] <ucc_> Any connection between the LibreOffice and Google Maps and the video card driver? Why only these programs freeze the computer?
[08:07] <Denafig> Hey guys
[08:08] <EriC^^> hey Denafig
[08:16] <laceylaney> Does anyone know if it's possible top hide the process list from htop ?? I only want to show the meter section....
[08:17] <laceylaney> Already checked htop's settings, but can't see anything....
[08:17] <MyGfsHusbandSuck> can you turn your computer on automatically at a certain time?
[08:17] <MyGfsHusbandSuck> i know oyu can turn your computer off with sudo shutdown
[08:18] <pikia> I am running ubuntu 18.04 with an eGPU attached
[08:18] <pikia> my machine has a 1050, and the egpu is a 1080
[08:18] <pikia> Ubuntu reconzies the 1080, nvidia-smi will show both gpus.
[08:19] <pikia>  However, i cant seem to start a new xscreen for the 1080
[08:19] <pikia> With every xorg.conf file I try, ubuntu freezes on  boot
[08:19] <pikia> Anyone have any idea what is going on?
[08:21] <guiverc> MyGfsHusbandSuck, since the computer isn't running; you can't get Ubuntu to do it.  Many BIOSes provides a schedule to turn on @ specific times/days of week.
[08:26] <ryuo> guiverc: Wake on Lan is a thing too, if that's an option.
[08:30] <AppAraat> hi, suppose I want to send Enter / Return key on every left-click event in Xorg, how would I do that? I know what those buttons do in xev, how would I combine them?
[08:45] <abusado> it worked thanks ppf
[08:45] <donzel> halo
[08:49] <beanishaspcissue> Hey guys I am having a weird issue. My keyboard and mouse input are randomly stopping and slowing down, but only on Ubuntu and only when I'm logged in. When I type in my system password my input is normal but when I get through to type in my user password the input has slowed down. This does not happen on windows. Any ideas?
[08:56] <qwebirc330799> ok I tried to go into console mode with ctrl-alt-f1 and I got a black screen with my cursor, cursor could hardly move at all it was so slowed down
[08:57] <qwebirc330799> I never saw the terminal text so I just rebooted
[08:57] <qwebirc330799> oops wrong channel
[09:06] <Anticom> Hi. I'm trying to mount a windows share the same way i mounted all my other shares but i'm getting an error for this one which is not giving me a lot of insight: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xt2ZrTv7vw/
[09:06] <Anticom> Any ideas where this "Invalid argument" is comming from and what's causing it?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !samba | Anticom start here
[09:08] <Anticom> lotuspsychje: well this way worked for me for all the other shares in this network
[09:08] <Anticom> i just need assistance trouble shooting this exact one
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> Anticom: there is also a #samba channel if you like, they might know more specificly
[09:11] <guiverc> Anticom, you could try adding "sec=ntlm,charset=utf8," in the -o  (I added it awhile back; can't recall why for mine)
[09:12] <Anticom> guiverc: it's specifying the pw hasing algorithm as well as your charset
[09:12] <Anticom> i can try a different pw hashing algo but the charset shouldn't affect mount's ability to actually mount the share or not
[09:14] <Anticom> hm setting charset to utf8 actually breaks my working mount commands, maybe you where on to something there
[09:15] <guiverc> thanks Anticom
[09:16] <Anticom> Just sucks, that even with verbose logging you don't get a clear error that's telling you what's wrong
[09:17] <Anticom> And #samba seems to be dead :S
[09:39] <vg__> Hello
[09:39] <vg__> want to install monit from ppa
[09:39] <vg__> what ppa should I add?
[09:39] <vg__> only trusted one
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> vg__: we dont support or reccomend adding external ppa's
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> vg__: they can scramble your system & dependecys
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> vg__: but its your system, you can ask support towards the maintainer of the ppa perhaps?
[09:41] <vg__> I am hosting my site on AWS, want to install monit but somehow donot want to perform apt-get update
[09:41] <vg__> The what should I do?
[09:41] <ducasse> why not use monit from the repos?
[09:42] <vg__> want to perform apt install only my ansible is written that way
[09:43] <vg__> All are leaving this group?
[09:43] <vg__> any help for ppa of ubuntu without apt-get install?
[09:43] <vg__> without apt-get update
[09:44] <ppf> no. but what is it you actually wanna do?
[09:44] <ppf> monit is in the repos, no ppa needed for that
[09:44] <vg__> I want to install monit with apt without performing apt-get update/
[09:44] <ppf> apt install monit
[09:45] <vg__> ok, but that requires apt-get update
[09:45] <vg__> I want without apt-get update
[09:45] <ducasse> why can't you do apt update?
[09:45] <vg__> apt update because it is getting installed via ansible and there is some blocker
[09:45] <ducasse> you will need that to install from a ppa as well
[09:46] <ppf> what is installed via ansible
[09:46] <vg__> I can add ppa for one time perform apt-get update and then make an ami of it
[09:46] <vg__> monit installed via anisble
[09:47] <ppf> i don't get you
[09:47] <ppf> ppa or not, it's the same procedure
[09:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:54] <AppAraat> hello BluesKaj
[09:55] <BluesKaj> hi AppAraat
 Rumen: you said the system freezes, does control+alt+F1/F2/-->F7 work in this situation?   - No everything connected to graphic freeze, keyboard as well  - Just the mouse and sound work
[10:01] <nicholas1559> hi
[10:02] <EriC^^> hello
 Rumen: what browser is this, have you tried the troublesome website on another browser?   -   Chromium, Firefox, Cliqz  - And not only browsers, LIBREOFFICE as well freeze
[10:05] <Rumen> adamantium> Rumen: you might start looking into your compositor settings if you are using one. For example, if it is set to opengl 2.0 you might try xrender backend, or vice versa, with some trial and error, you might be able to get a more stable situation.    - |HOW to do that please? Never did it before!
[10:35] <romain> hello, I would like to report a violation of the CoC by an Ubuntu member, what is the right place for that?
[10:38] <BluesKaj> romain, read the topic
[10:38] <DrZ> /2
[10:41] <bipul> I would like to install this IcedTea OpenJDK<IP_ADDRESS>+ in my Ubuntu, But i'm not sure where to start?
[10:41] <bipul> romain, write an email
[11:05] <Candhika01> hallo
[11:05] <de-facto> LeL, what is this? " apt-utils : Depends: apt (= 1.6.2) but 1.6.3 is installed" im kinda afraid to run the recommended "apt --fix-broken install", since i dont want it to break apt...
[11:05] <blackflow> de-facto: did you break it with any PPAs?
[11:06] <de-facto> blackflow, nope, none of those
[11:06] <de-facto> its default config
[11:06] <blackflow> de-facto: so what's teh full context of that?
[11:07] <de-facto> blackflow, run gui updater, said it failed, so run apt upgrade from console then and got that weird error
[11:08] <ppf> de-facto: run apt -f install
[11:08] <de-facto> so it seems apt miscalculated and broke itself
[11:08] <de-facto> will that ask before breaking apt all together?
[11:08] <de-facto> i mean i would happily run that on any other package
[11:08] <ppf> absolutely, you have to answer Y
[11:09] <de-facto> so its wants to upgrade apt-utils, i guess i permit that
[11:10] <de-facto> yup that worked
[11:10] <de-facto> wow, that was a weird one, thanks guys
[11:22] <deathbystapler> Hello
[11:24] <deathbystapler> Can anyone tell me how I move the cursor down by like a couple pixels in AutoKey?
[11:52] <deerbard> hi, I can't see settings->diplay, when I click on display I get "could not get screen information". I'm on Ubuntu 16.04
[11:57] <Dorayaki> Hi, I use Ubuntu 18.04 and I need to encrypt my home folder (the hard disk is not encrypted). It's possible to do it in a safe way?
[11:57] <ioria> Dorayaki, yes ...
[11:58] <Dorayaki> ioria how?
[11:58] <ioria> Dorayaki,  with sudo ecryptfs-migrate-home -u user
[11:59] <Dorayaki> ioria Thanks! Do I need to do it from another user account?
[11:59] <ioria> Dorayaki,  sure
[11:59] <ioria> Dorayaki,  the only caveat is login directly without a reboot
[12:00] <Dorayaki> ioria So, I login with another user, run the command, logoff and login with my user, all without reboot
[12:00] <ioria> Dorayaki,  yes
[12:00] <Dorayaki> ioria perfect, thank you! :)))
[12:00] <ioria> Dorayaki,  ok
[12:03] <qwebirc23783> Hi! When installing packages with apt, there are sometimes "creators of configuration" (especially when packages are servers etc.). When you make a mistake there is no going back. When you remove the package or purge it and install it again the "creator of configuration" is not available. What can I do to configure it again?
[12:03] <deerbard> I tried "sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop". Nothing changed. Anyone?
[12:06] <ioria> qwebirc23783, 2 things ; 1) dpkg-reconfigure pkg or 2) apt-get --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask" install pkg
[12:08] <qwebirc23783> @ioria thanks
[12:08] <ioria> qwebirc23783, np
[12:44] <oeuvre> https://i.imgur.com/ypSZSsn.png
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> !ot | oeuvre
[12:49] <sa_> I've an ubuntu 14.04 machine, I see that /var/log/syslog contains "ul 19 21:38:55 samsan named[942]: error (network unreachable) resolving './DNSKEY/IN': 2001:500:2f::f#53". What does it mean, what's the reason for network unreachable?
[12:51] <henlac> Is unity still actively being developed?
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> henlac: you can still download it officialy yes
[12:52] <henlac> Is canonical still developing it?
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> henlac: so packages are still in the repos and supported
[12:52] <EriC^^> no it's being community developed
[12:53] <EriC^^> somewhere else, on another repo i think
[12:53] <guiverc> henlac, no, not Canonical, it's now Community supported (in universe), though it still gets some Canonical assistance (limited)
[12:53] <henlac> I see. Thanks! :)
[12:53] <henlac> Will the default DE be Unity or Gnome?
[12:53] <EriC^^> gnome
[12:54] <guiverc> henlac, it's supported in 16.04 until 2021
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> sa_: perhaps try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and do a few network tests, enable/disable to see errors
[12:56] <sa_> lotuspsychje: It has repeated messages like "error (network unreachable) resolving './NS/IN': 2001:500:2f::f#53" and "error (network unreachable) resolving './DNSKEY/IN': 2001:500:2f::f#53"
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> sa_: have you tryed a sudo service network-manager restart?
[13:01] <sa_> lotuspsychje: No
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> sa_: try :p
[13:05] <sa_> lotuspsychje: network-manager: unrecognized service
[13:34] <bllipp> hey
[13:36] <nehemiah1> I seem to remember that there is this very simple CLI program that allows you to enable and disable systemd services. But I forgot the command. Does anybody know what this program is called?
[13:37] <blackflow> nehemiah1: systemctl?
[13:38] <nehemiah1> blackflow: I don't mean that one. The one I mean lets you navigate through all services and enable or disable them.
[13:39] <blackflow> I don't know of a CLI program that does that.
[14:03] <jrm> We are having some trouble with the java package.  dpkg -S "$(readlink -fn "$(which java)")" reports openjdk-11-jre-headless:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/bin/java.
[14:03] <jrm> java --version says: openjdk 10.0.1 2018-04-17 // OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 10.0.1+10-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1) // OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 10.0.1+10-Ubuntu-3ubuntu1, mixed mode)
[14:04] <jrm> I think the problem is with the "mixed mode".  We need to run some jar files with -d64, but that is not supported with this java.
[14:04] <jrm> java -d64 version: Unrecognized option: -d64 // Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine. // Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
[14:05] <jrm> Is there a package that I am missing that will support -d64?
[14:17] <oodsway> l
[14:20] <qwebirc60490> Hi! Would anyone be able to help me get ubuntu 18.04 installed on my new laptop? I've downloaded and verified the iso, created a usb boot stick and the laptop boots and can get as far as network selection before it freezes. I've tried booting using nomodeset and noacpi, I've also tried adding 'intel_idle.max_cstate=1 ' but it's made no difference.
[14:20] <qwebirc60490> My hardware according to the manufacturer is as follows: Intel® i7-8550U, Corsair 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4, Intel HD Graphics 610/620/630 (CPU Dependant) - 1.7GB Max DDR4 Video RAM - DirectX 12, WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD. Any ideas? :)
[14:22] <ioria> qwebirc60490, try i915.alpha_support=1
[14:24] <qwebirc60490> ioria, thanks - will try that now and post back :)
[14:25] <Nokaji> Hi, Ubuntu won't upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04, says "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.", gives three reasons inc "Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu" ... I'm not sure how to fix this ... "grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log" gives six pages of BROKENs, if that is relevant
[14:27] <qwebirc60490> ioria, no, no joy - froze again :(
[14:27] <ioria> qwebirc60490, i see
[14:28] <ioria> qwebirc60490, try without connection
[14:28] <Nokaji> can I download v18.04 and simply install over 16.04 without losing my user files and settings?
[14:29] <ioria> qwebirc60490, i mean, no updates selected, and if you have a switch, turn wifi off
[14:29] <qwebirc60490> ioria, ah, okay - I'm not trying to connect to any wifi network, but the wifi is switched on. Will try switching wifi off and report back :)
[14:30] <ppf> trying to start docker, i get these errors: https://ghostbin.com/paste/cp949
[14:30] <ioria> Nokaji, for my experiences, you have external packages that broke the upgarde, try to purge them
[14:31] <Nokaji> ioria: was thinking along those lines - okay, I'll delete the lot ... or as many as it takes, thanks
[14:31] <ioria> Nokaji, good luk
[14:31] <Nokaji> :)
[14:32] <coz> Nokaji,   https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver    this seems to be a decent way to upgrade
[14:32] <coz> Nokaji,  in all honesty, I gennerally clean install
[14:33] <ppf> any ideas what's causing this error?
[14:33] <coz> Nokaji,  I did upgrade one system with the procedure on that link.. all went well
[14:33] <ppf> this is xenial btw
[14:34] <Nokaji> thanks coz, it would indeed be an opportune time to do a clean install and I even have a second SSD ... so worse cae scenario, nothing would be lost
[14:34] <coz> Nokaji,  :) true
[14:35] <coz> Nokaji,  remenber on 18.04, once installed, "sudo apt-get" is now just "sudo apt"
[14:36] <Nokaji> coz: thanks for the heads up
[14:36] <coz> Nokaji,  no problem
[14:36] <leftyfb> coz: apt-get still works as well
[14:36] <coz> yes
[14:36] <coz> leftyfb,  took a few trys to remeber thoguh
[14:36] <Nokaji> I'll think this one through ... a quick solution would be great but then so would the investment in a clean install ... I may end up doing/trying both
[14:36] <ioria> ppf, try rebooting ?
[14:37] <coz> though
[14:37] <qwebirc60490> ioria, tried switching wifi off from the menu both with and without i915.alpha_support=1 but no change
[14:38] <ioria> qwebirc60490, how did you do the usb stick ?
[14:39] <qwebirc60490> downloaded from ubuntu, checked the checksum, then dd
[14:39] <ioria> qwebirc60490, and it freezes in the middle ?
[14:40] <qwebirc60490> yeah - I have somewhere in the region of 60 seconds between gnome starting and the freeze, regardless of what I do
[14:41] <ioria> qwebirc60490, dd again with sync option
[14:42] <ioria> qwebirc60490, dd if=/ of=/   && sync
[14:42] <qwebirc60490> ioria, will do - will take a few minutes :)
[14:42] <ioria> ok
[14:54] <hodor123456> Hi, how can I start?
[14:58] <ntd> install libvirt and qemu, get a win95 iso and run it
[14:59] <leftyfb> hodor123456: start what?
[15:00] <hodor123456> start contributing
[15:01] <ntd> step one: hold the door
[15:01] <jink> ... :)
[15:02] <qwebirc60490> ioria, dd has completed, just tried it without any extra parameters and had the same freeze, will retry now with i915.alpha_support=1
[15:03] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  does it always stops at the same stage ?
[15:05] <leftyfb> !contribute | hodor123456
[15:05] <qwebirc60490> ioria, yes, although I previously tried just leaving it for a while and it froze without me doing anything - it's like I only have 30-60 seconds before it freezes
[15:05] <qwebirc60490> just tried with i915.alpha_support=1 and same freeze
[15:06] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  'Try ubuntu without install' ?
[15:08] <qwebirc60490> iroria, just tried with intel_idle.max_cstate=1 and same freeze, will try 'try without install' now
[15:08] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  and how much ram ?
[15:08] <qwebirc60490> 32GB
[15:08] <ioria> good
[15:11] <qwebirc60490> iroria, tried 'try without installing', same freeze - timed it (roughly) to 40 seconds between gnome desktop appearing and the freeze
[15:12] <ioria> qwebirc60490, can you open a console ? ctrl+alt +fx
[15:13] <qwebirc60490> ioria, not once it's frozen - want me to try the moment gnome desktop has loaded?
[15:13] <Ubuntu_EOL> You are bad people, support EOL-releases, NOW !
[15:15] <ioria> qwebirc60490, why not
[15:15] <marlonbbbb> eh anak kontol
[15:16] <qwebirc60490> okay, gnome desktop loaded, I hit ctrl+alt+f2, console appeared but froze after 40s
[15:17] <ioria> qwebirc60490, you have only intel as video card , right ?
[15:18] <qwebirc60490> ioria, yes - 'Intel HD Graphics 610/620/630 (CPU Dependant)'
[15:20] <ioria> qwebirc60490, afaik , 18.04 supports 8th intel generation
[15:21] <ioria> qwebirc60490, are you booting in efi mode ?
[15:21] <qwebirc60490> ioria, no, switched to bios
[15:22] <ioria> qwebirc60490, reason ?
[15:22] <qwebirc60490> ioria, only that that was required the last time I installed ubuntu (previous laptop) :)
[15:24] <qwebirc60490> ioria, want me to switch uefi on? and if so, iirc, I should leave secure boot disabled, right?
[15:24] <ioria> qwebirc60490, yes, you can try efi mode with sb disabled
[15:25] <ioria> qwebirc60490, what you have atm on that pc ?
[15:26] <qwebirc60490> ioria, there's also something called 'TPM configuration'? At the moment is has 'Security Decive Support - Enabled' and 'TPM20 Device Found', just FYI
[15:27] <qwebirc60490> ioria, looks like just a minimal windows installation - if I boot without a usb stick I get the cortana thing and it says something about just needing some details/wifi to get started (had the same thing on previous laptop, just wiped the lot when I installed ubuntu on that one)
[15:28] <ioria> qwebirc60490, so you have windows installed ?
[15:28] <yellow> hey guys, I'm using ubuntu 16.04 but I need to run a legacy site using php 5.5.9. Any clean/easy way to get this installed? The usually Andrej PHP PPA doesn't include 5.5 any more. I'm going to look at migrating the sites if time/budget permits but that seems unlikely at this point.
[15:29] <qwebirc60490> ioria, tbh I'm not 100% sure - when I ordered the laptop I selected 'no os required' but there's obviously *some* sort of windows on it
[15:30] <Southern_Gentlem> qwebirc60490, that have to include the M$ Tax
[15:31] <qwebirc60490> ioria, just tried efi boot, install ubuntu, with i915.alpha_support=1, same freeze
[15:31] <qwebirc60490> SG, they didn't bill me for it... who knows? :D
[15:31] <ioria> qwebirc60490, disable that TPM
[15:32] <ioria> but i don't see how can be related to a desktop freeze
[15:34] <qwebirc60490> ioria, disabled TPM, booted with i915.alpha_support=1, froze right on time again :(
[15:35] <qwebirc60490> iroira, seems like it's more or less exactly 38 seconds from desktop load
[15:36] <ioria> qwebirc60490, have the time to dl lubuntu  ?
[15:36] <ioria> qwebirc60490, 18.04
[15:36] <qwebirc60490> ioria, sure, can give that a try - my internet connection isn't great so it will take quite a while, but happy to give it a shot!
[15:37] <ioria> qwebirc60490, ok
[15:37] <qwebirc60490> ioria, 64bit I assume?
[15:37] <ioria> qwebirc60490, well, yes :þ
[15:38] <qwebirc60490> ioria, :D cool - will take ~15m
[15:38] <ioria> qwebirc60490, with 32g and coffe lake ...
[15:38] <phocean> Hi, I had snapd uninstalled because of a dependency, I reinstalled it but now I get "➤  pwsh
[15:38] <phocean> snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks"
[15:38] <phocean> when I run some snap
[15:38] <phocean> any idea of how I could repair it ?
[15:39] <leftyfb> phocean: you might have better luck in #snappy
[15:39] <phocean> leftyfb, ok
[15:47] <qwebirc60490> ioria, just fyi, lubuntu d/l is taking longer... About a third of the way done right now
[15:50] <ioria> qwebirc60490, it's ok
[15:51] <lefreut> hey guys, getting crazy. Have anyone made samba works with gluster VFS on bionic?
[15:52] <lefreut> used to be PPA for xenial but nothing for Bionic and the "official" samba-vfs package don't have the gluster one (seems to start with samba 4.8 so kind of logical)
[15:55] <pikia> Hey guys, i have an external gpu, a 1080 attached to my machine. Nvidia-smi shows that it is detecting it. When I use nvidia x server settings to configure a new x screen for my external monitors and restart my system, it gets hung until I remove the xorg.conf file that was created.
[15:55] <pikia> Anyone have any ideas why??
[15:55] <lefreut> if not since a vfs module for gluster seems present in debian testing does anyone know how i could "download" it? (gluster.so)
[16:02] <phocean> but it is strange, however. Where do the standard profiles of apparmor come from? which package?
[16:03] <phocean> reinstalling simply the apparmor package does not restore any profile in my host (like the ones I get in a VM).
[16:04] <qwebirc60490> ioria, lubuntu downloaded, dding (with && sync) now. And, just, fyi, while I was waiting I tried an Arch live usb - got to the command line, sat there quite happily (and unfrozen!) for a few minutes before I powered down. Not sure if that info helps any, but just in case!
[16:04] <CarlFK> how do I restart X from an ssh shell?  something like systemctl restart gdm
[16:05] <CarlFK> got it: lightdm.service
[16:05] <arrrghhh> Hey all.  I have an install of 18.04 and for some reason recently it has taken a very long time to boot (usually boots in less than 30s, now it takes like 5 mins).  I saw a timeout for snapd, but I'm not sure it is related...?
[16:06] <ioria> qwebirc60490, no idea
[16:06] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  what DE ?
[16:07] <phocean> for instance, usr.lib.snapd-confine.real belongs to the snapd package
[16:07] <phocean> why reinstalling snapd does not restore this file ???
[16:07] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  ah, just cli, ok
[16:07] <qwebirc60490> ioria, no DE - just the basic cli - yeah :)
[16:09] <qwebirc60490> ioria, dd is done, going to try booting now :)
[16:10] <arrrghhh> is there a way to troubleshoot a service timeout?
[16:11] <qwebirc60490> ioria, okay! booted 'try without installing' without any extra params, 60s in and no freeze!
[16:12] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  i see , try to start the installer on the desktop
[16:12] <qwebirc60490> ioria, cool - will do
[16:14] <qwebirc60490> ioria, froze at the wireless selection menu (chose 'I don't want to connect' and clicked continue, three or four seconds later it froze :(
[16:14] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  open a console ? possible ?
[16:15] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  or press ESC key
[16:15] <qwebirc60490> ioria, sorry, already rebooted - will try again
[16:16] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  ok
[16:18] <ne14u> hello
[16:18] <oerheks> hi ne14u
[16:19] <username> Hi guys
[16:19] <qwebirc60490> ioria, okay, retried, same story. no response to esc, no response to ctrl+alt+f2
[16:20] <Guest33606> wow
[16:20] <Guest33606> now I'm a nooby guest
[16:20] <Guest33606> fag
[16:20] <arrrghhh> is there a way to troubleshoot a service timeout?
[16:22] <ioria> qwebirc60490,  if you had the time, before it freezes, to paste  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999  ..
[16:25] <qwebirc60490> iroria, 'Temporary failure in name resolution' - I assume because I don't have net?
[16:26] <arrrghhh> how can I troubleshoot slow booting?  the machine seems to be 'hanging' for a timeout or something
[16:27] <romantic> Hi all, say I have this project I compiled locally, is it a good idea to create a custom deb package to deploy it and easily manage ti?
[16:28] <ioria_2> qwebirc60490, sy, disconnected
[16:29] <qwebirc60490> ioria_2, tried to connect to net and parted -l but crashes before I see command completes
[16:31] <ioria_2> qwebirc60490, try again 'nomodeset'
[16:31] <nacc> Fr0Master: easiest way is to look at hte srcpkg publishing history
[16:32] <oerheks> romantic, depends on your license, you could publish on launchpad, that gives you the whole bug/q&a environment for free
[16:32] <ioria_2> qwebirc60490, there is also an only text mini.iso  net installer
[16:32] <oerheks> and translations and so on
[16:33] <oerheks> romantic,  or you must be handy building for different archs
[16:33] <romantic> it's just for personal machine management.
[16:33] <oerheks> oh solely project
[16:34] <romantic> for instance, say I want to remove the thing later on, I think it would be easier to apt uninstall
[16:34] <oerheks> hmm yes building including the uninstall script
[16:36] <jaimee> Hola
[16:36] <romantic> yeah, I can put an uninstall script, that's fine, I just want to be safe and have that whole install managed, in case the project sources are lost to me
[16:36] <romantic> eg, instead of installing from a tarball, I'd like to make it a deb
[16:37] <oerheks> hmm that would be a reason to publish on launchpad too
[16:37] <qwebirc60490> ioria_2, tried booting to desktop with nomodeset, connected to net and tried parted etc but froze again
[16:37] <oerheks> say, your pc is stolen..
[16:37] <romantic> ha! good luck to that poor soul
[16:38] <qwebirc60490> ioria_2, will give the net installer a try, never used that before - is there anything I should know before I get started? will have to leave now until later tonight - thank you so much for all your help!!
[16:38] <ioria_2> qwebirc60490, only that it downalods all the pkgs from web, so it takes a bit
[16:39] <qwebirc60490> ioria_2, cool - sounds like a plan! Thanks again :) :)
[16:40] <ioria_2> qwebirc60490, ok, and you need a ethernet cable (no wifi)
[16:40] <qwebirc60490> ioria_2, oh, that's v good to know!
[16:40] <ioria_2> qwebirc60490, good luck
[16:43] <qwebirc60490> ioria_2, thank you!
[16:44] <Poupou> Bill Gates has sued Ubuntu for patent infringement and copyright theft
[16:44] <satvik_> a
[16:48] <kittenCanaveral> I am running headlong into the sb_.pico.xhc_.rheb error, and likely another trying to unstall im not sure whats up. google sait it might be secureboot related, but i have been unable to disable it, and i wold like to avoid disableing it if i can
[16:49] <kittenCanaveral> Sorry for the awfull typing, im on irc on a tablet so i can work out the issue on my pc
[16:56] <jiff33> hi guys, which version of ubuntu should I get? will I be able to upgrade from LTS to a 'normal' version?
[16:56] <Poupou> Normal version?
[16:57] <kittenCanaveral> Lts is normal, i thought?
[16:57] <jiff33> oh well, I thought there was two 'branches' of some kind
[16:57] <kittenCanaveral> LTS =long term support
[16:57] <rfm> jiff33, yes you can upgrade LTS to non-LTS, though you won't get prompted to do so.  Instructions will be in release notes...
[16:58] <pete_> Hi, I installed Ubuntu Bionic Beaver with the default GNOME3 DE and like it a lot. One problem however: When I use Impress for presenting on a second monitor/projector (without the presenter console) I often need to switch or open new applications on my first monitor. Everytime I do that, the fullscreen activities-screen pops up and also zooms out the presentation on the second monitor. Can I disable this somehow?
[16:58] <jiff33> rfm: thank you
[16:58] <jiff33> also, how can I report someone? there's a person here sending me inappropriate private messages
[16:59] <jiff33> (here - on this channel)
[16:59] <Poupou> Yes ubuntu-ops
[16:59] <kittenCanaveral> poupou, can yop stop it with the dming of the explitves? I don't particularly like being called any of those terms.
[17:00] <jiff33> yep, it's the same person in my case
[17:00] <Poupou> Jiff33 I trying to help you. How dare you
[17:07] <vnctSLM> heyy
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> vnctSLM: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[17:08] <vnctSLM> can you help with moksha
[17:08] <vnctSLM> i cant set up my kezboard to german
[17:11] <pete_> this is what I'm talking about: http://i.imgur.com/hRg6OTv.png
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> pete_: can #libreoffice help?
[17:12] <pete_> lotuspsychje, this is not libreoffice specific. It also happens with other presentation software I'm using.
[17:18] <Fr0Master> What is a good/recommend size for /boot in 18.04?
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> Fr0Master: you have a full /boot?
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> Fr0Master: are you ask for partitioning?
[17:20] <cr1mson_king> Curiosity. How are packages uninstalled? Do they come with a script that tells the package manager to revert what the installation did?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !apt | cr1mson_king
[17:21] <cr1mson_king> !apt
[17:22] <kittenCanaveral> So, it looks like after messing with the boot order for mhe dozenth time it installed.... but i cant login, it a constant flashing ofth purple screen wit a balck one , if i try and it i might start floping around like a fish. but it looks likm to not e one of the first lines is "starting login service" i also see
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> cr1mson_king: moment please the bot is been worked on atm
[17:22] <kittenCanaveral> seem not to have keyboard or mouse control, but i had them during install
[17:30] <rfm> cr1mson_king, in the meantime while the bot heals, scripts aren't always needed, e.g. if a package just installs files, the files are removed by follwing the manifest.  you could read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf for an intro to the debian packaging system ubuntu uses.
[17:31] <cr1mson_king> rfm, interesting, thanks!
[17:32] <Fr0Master> lotuspsychje, Most of my 16.04 VM's have full /boot partitions which are 500MB. I'm looking to do a new VM template and wondering if I should make it larger... (and how to do so :D)
[17:32] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> !kernelcleanup | Fr0Master
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> Fr0Master: I would recommend running kernel cleanups too
[17:41] <jnewt> cups says it can't locate my printer when i try to print.    it found the printer automatically.   troubleshooting steps?
[17:44] <blackflow> jnewt: tried printing a test page?
[17:44] <jnewt> blackflow: that's what i'm doing when i try to print
[17:44] <blackflow> jnewt: you could connect (using root credentials) to http://localhost:631, that's CUPS's web interface and investigate what's wrong
[17:45] <jnewt> blackflow: that's where i'm printing the test page from
[17:46] <jnewt> printer shows status is idle, but when i print it can't locate the printer.    also, i have virtualbox on this machine, and can print from my windows vm client without any issues, so i know the printer and network are good, it's cups or linux setup problem.
[17:47] <blackflow> jnewt: there's a view error log under administration, and the jobs queue which should list errors iirc
[17:47] <Rockwood> how to install Business Intelligence Reporting & Analytics Tool on ubuntu 18.04
[17:48] <Rockwood> any active?
[17:48] <jnewt> blackflow: have a stopped with status 1 and a Stopping unresponsive job errros
[17:49] <blackflow> jnewt: yeah, I don't know. have you checked with openprinting.org db that your printer is (fully) supported?
[17:50] <jnewt> i had it working on an old ubuntu installation (16.04).  upgraded to 18.04 and can't print.  could it have lost compatibility?
[17:50] <phocean> can someone give me a rational explanation of that : https://pastebin.com/4RS7MEvu
[17:50] <Rockwood> how to install Business Intelligence Reporting & Analytics Tool on ubuntu 18.04?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | jnewt
[17:52] <qwebirc3240> hello
[17:52] <Rockwood> how to install Business Intelligence Reporting & Analytics Tool on ubuntu 18.04?
[17:52] <Rockwood> please help me
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: you have a package name?
[17:53] <qwebirc3240> can anyone help me? i tested ubuntu via live boot and pressed the install button and now im stuck on the Updates and othet spftware page
[17:53] <jnewt> lotuspsychje, what am I supposed to learn from that?
[17:53] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje, SQL Power Wabit
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: you say you upgraded from 16.04?
[17:54] <blackflow> jnewt: check with openprinting.org if the printer is supported. I guess it's possible that for whatever reasons, the newer versions of the driver have dropped support.
[17:55] <jnewt> blackflow: found my printer on there.   says supported Mostly, says double sided printing doesn't work in the comments (didn't even know it could print on both sides).
[17:55] <blackflow> jnewt: which printer is that?
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: not really an ubuntu package, perhaps ask on #httpd ?
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: what do you want to analyze exactly, perhaps we can find alternates?
[17:57] <Rockwood> db
[17:57] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje, FOR mysql based db
[17:57] <blackflow> qwebirc3240: the next step is partitioning. the installer tends to "hang" before that step as it autodetects all the partitions involved, if I'm understanding you correctly
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: can lynis help?
[17:59] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje can see you the package details?
[17:59] <Rockwood> can i
[17:59] <jnewt> blackflow: Brother HL-L2360D
[17:59] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje can i see the package details?
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> Rockwood: There is no install package for that application. You will need to read the documentation that accompanies that production for instructions on how to install it.
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: https://resources.infosecinstitute.com/lynis-walkthrough/#gref
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> !info lynis
[18:02] <blackflow> jnewt: do you have anything 'foomatic*'  installed?
[18:02] <blackflow> jnewt: dpkg -l 'foomatic*'
[18:05] <jnewt> blackflow: yes.   Output from dpkg -l 'foomatic*' : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hkTPBT2fCm/
[18:07] <blackflow> jnewt: well I don't know the printer, and never used one from that vendor. If I were you, I'd see if installing those other foomatic packages helps. apt search --names-only foomatic     will show you what they are.
[18:07] <blackflow> jnewt: at any rate, according to openprinting.org, that's the driver for your printer.
[18:08] <blackflow> (don't forget to restart cups after installing packages, just in case)
[18:09] <jnewt> why does cups always duplicate discovery and driver options for my printer (i have 3 of my single printer showing up under Discovered Network Printers).   Are two wrong and one right or all three right?
[18:10] <jnewt> i guess my question is, is it worth it to go back through and try each one, like one might work and the other's won't?
[18:10] <blackflow> jnewt: I wouldn't know, sorry.
[18:13] <kaypey> Hi, I need help to restart the apache2 webserver on an Ubuntu machine. The error message is: ".htaccess: Invalid command 'Header', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration". Could somebody help me, please?
[18:14] <kaypey> On my local machine apache2 restarts without errors.
[18:15] <nacc> kaypey: do they have the same files/contents?
[18:15] <nacc> kaypey: the error is pretty ... clear
[18:16] <oerheks> run a filecheck?
[18:17] <kaypey> Both machines have the same files. I used git for this.
[18:17] <JimBuntu> jnewt, do you have your printer set up to always get the same IP address?
[18:18] <kaypey> @nacc: Both machines have the same files. I used git for this.
[18:19] <NekrosBurek> Hello guys, i have a small help needed, i followed the guide for multiple websites with virtual hosts, everything works the thing that confuses me is that when i go to ip adress in browser it shows me example.com page but i don't have that in any folder
[18:22] <nacc> kaypey: i see
[18:23] <nacc> kaypey: does your .htaccess file have the command "Header" in it?
[18:23] <nacc> kaypey: is the headers module enabled?
[18:23] <kaypey> Yes, I added 4 lines because php is needed inside of css files. Not my choice.
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> NekrosBurek: That is because you haven't defined a default page for when a visitor accesses the web server from an undefined address. If you define a wildcard virtual host, or remove the servername from one of the other virtual host definitions, that page/site will become the default
[18:24] <kaypey> I'm not sure if the headers module is enabled
[18:24] <nacc> kaypey: sudo a2enmod headers (iirc)
[18:24] <ioria> apache2ctl -M | grep  headers_module
[18:24] <nacc> kaypey: --^ or that to check
[18:24] <nacc> kaypey: if it is disabled an dyou enable it, you'll need to restart apache
[18:25] <kaypey> @nacc thank you very much that did the trick. It works now. :-D
[18:25] <NekrosBurek> pragmaticenigma: yes but where is that example.com file so i can maybe edit it, or how do i determen a default virtual host for not set domain or just a ip adress, and is it better one folder with multiple virtual hosts or every domain every config ?
[18:26] <nacc> kaypey: fwiw, first 100 hits or so on google indicate this
[18:26] <vegii> Hello. How can I install kernel 4.14 or older on Bionic Beaver Ubuntu server?
[18:26] <nacc> vegii: you don't.
[18:26] <vegii> I need to. Ethernet doesn't work on 4.15
[18:26] <kaypey> @nacc I was strugling with the googled answers that's why I asked here
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> NekrosBurek: A normal install of apache for Ubuntu will place a default index.html in /var/www/html
[18:27] <NekrosBurek> yes i have default apache web
[18:27] <nacc> kaypey: ok, i mean, i literally c&p the text from the top 10 on google when i searched for hte error :)
[18:27] <nacc> vegii: then install 16.04
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | vegii or
[18:27] <NekrosBurek> but when i go to ip adress i get just Welcome to example.com
[18:27] <nacc> vegii: and it's a rather serious bug if ehternet doesn't work, what adapter
[18:28] <kaypey> @nacc ok then your google foo is better than mine.
[18:28] <NekrosBurek> pragmaticenigma: yes i have default apache web, but when i go to ip adress i get just Welcome to example.com
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> NekrosBurek: Right, that is coming from the index.html file sitting in your /var/www/html folder
[18:29] <nacc> kaypey: in case it helps, my query was (without quotes): "htaccess invalid command header"
[18:29] <ioria> vegii, lspci -k | grep -i ether -A 2
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> NekrosBurek: I can only assume that your other server domains are pointing to other folders on your server. Without a explicate directory path, apache will default to look in /var/www/html for files to serve
[18:31] <ohunter> Hi, I have been having several issues with x11 on my laptop and I have been trying to find the xorg.conf file both after install and during the "try ubuntu" but I can't find it anywhere. This is on 16.04 as 18.04 won't install
[18:31] <kaypey> @nacc Yes, that helps. I googled with Ubuntu and the error as the remote machine is a Ubuntu Linux.
[18:32] <kaypey> @nacc I'm not very seasoned with these things
[18:33] <vegii> nacc: ioria: Realtek RTL8168 iirc, using kernel driver r8168. It recognizes the hardware and loads the driver, but dhclient can't do its job and it takes 5 minutes to boot.
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> ohunter: the usage of xorg.conf file is no longer required and therefore the file is no longer created. can you describe the issues you are experiencing with X11 and we can help troubleshoot
[18:34] <ioria> vegii, iirc ?
[18:34] <vegii> nacc: ioria: I got the same problems on fresh arch, so it has to be kernel-related and someone else with same hardware told me that downgrading to kernel 4.14 works as a workaround
[18:34] <vegii> "if I reember correctly"
[18:35] <vegii> s/reember/remember
[18:35] <ioria> vegii, yes, i know but you just need to run my command
[18:36] <vegii> ioria:  it says "Pegatron RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller"
[18:36] <GivenToCode> We have an automated process that installs the 390 nvidia driver from the graphics ppa and pins it to a specific version. This automated process breaks everytime the ppa releases a new version. Is there a way to "cache" the bits apt installs? I tried directly installing the .debs from dpkg but the install is missing some things
[18:37] <ohunter> So my laptop is running a 6700hk and a gtx970m, It only has one screen and as such when I try to start x11/xserver I often end up with it saying no screens found, earlier this has been fixed with a xorg.conf. That was also on 16.04, I have however lost that xorg.conf file due to some other issues that I caused
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> vegii: i have a 16.04 bug on a realtek chipset too https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1769386 can you affect yourself plz and add your story?
[18:37] <GivenToCode> ie we were on 390.67 but that is no longer available through the ppa, so our automated system breaks when it tries to install it
[18:38] <nacc> GivenToCode: that seems like an inherently fragile system
[18:39] <ioria> vegii, Kernel driver in use: r8169    ?
[18:39] <vegii> ioria: r1868
[18:41] <GivenToCode> nacc, we pin nearly all of our dependencies, nvidia drivers are probably the most important ones to pin imo and experience
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> ohunter: This laptop has dual graphics cards?
[18:41] <ohunter> yea, an integrated one and a dedicated one
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> ohunter: take a look at this article, I think this is what you need to get up and running: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[18:44] <ioria> vegii, anything in the los ? dmesg syslog
[18:44] <ioria> *logs
[18:45] <ohunter> thanks, I'll check it out and get back to you all it it doesn't work
[18:45] <valeech> My google-fu is failing me today. Anyone know of an app or something built-in to gnome that would allow me to have a popout from the application bar where I could select from a collection of apps/icons that can also be sorted into groups?
[18:45] <ioria> vegii, maybe find a way to paste  modinfo r8168  (because i don't have that module)
[18:47] <nacc> GivenToCode: yes, that's quite a repetitive statement (you already said you pinned). I said it was a fragile choice.
[18:47] <nacc> GivenToCode: there is no guarantee that PPA will keep a given version of a package, and esp. older versions are discarded rapidly.
[18:47] <nacc> GivenToCode: if you thought otherwise, you misunderstood what PPAs are for
[18:48] <ubuntu> jıpü
[18:48] <Guest31167> s
[18:48] <Guest31167> y
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> !english | Guest31167
[18:48] <Guest31167> hello
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> valeech: classicmenu-indicator
[18:49] <vegii> ioria: paste.ubuntu.com/p/2spYWX5t4k/
[18:49] <Guest31167> Ubuntu 10 Support?
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> Guest31167: not a valid version, can we help you?
[18:50] <vegii> Guest31167:  blast from the past?
[18:51] <Guest31167> Ubuntu Old Versions Supporting?
[18:51] <vegii> no
[18:51] <Guest31167> ok thx
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> Guest31167: install an ubuntu version from the topic
[18:52] <Guest31167> 14.04.5
[18:52] <Guest31167> Support?
[18:52] <GivenToCode> nacc, trying to move this forward, interested to hear if you have any suggestions
[18:53] <ioria> vegii, did ypou compile yourself the module ?
[18:53] <valeech> lotuspsychje: That is perfect! Thanks!
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> valeech: welcome :p
[18:55] <vegii> ioria: well, it didn't work out of the box so I did some googling and installed something via apt on a USB network adapter
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> ioria: on my bug case, it worked for months on xenial,then stopped working suddenly
[18:56] <vegii> ioria: with "sudo apt install r1868-dkms"
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> vegii: tryed that too, no luck
[18:57] <zendude> hey ubuntu people :) is there an android emulator like bluestacks for ubuntu?
[18:57] <zendude> hey lotuspsychje
[18:57] <zendude> how's it going?
[18:57] <nacc> GivenToCode: I'm not sure. The reason the PPA has moved forward is the PPA owner has said they don't support the older version (implicitly). Pinning should not be used with PPAs
[18:58] <nacc> GivenToCode: what is your goal? You want a pre-tested, guaranteed to work image?
[18:58] <vegii> I remember I had openmediavault (debian) running smoothly on this hardware long time ago and recently neither Ubuntu nor Arch work out of the box
[18:58] <Guest31167> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS 2 Monitor is Screen Lines appear on screen
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> vegii: realtek is a pain to get right out of the box
[18:59] <ioria> vegii, try to unload   r8168 and load -9
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> Guest31167: 14.04 is still supported, can you make a screenshot?
[18:59] <zendude> i guess i could run bluestacks in a vm
[18:59] <brijith> Guys, Need Help. I am not able to access internet after connecting to VPN using ciscoanyconnect
[19:00] <Guest31167> ok
[19:00] <kaypey> bye
[19:00] <zendude> !ubuto latest version
[19:00] <vegii> well, it did just that on openmediavault and also some old ubuntu server, like a year ago
[19:00] <zendude> hehe
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > zendude
[19:00] <zendude> oh ok ty :)
[19:00] <Guest31167> Intel® Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 Grapics
[19:01] <GivenToCode> nacc, exactly. We are ok if we are on an older version than the ppa. No luck so far with dpkg -i all of the debs && apt -f install -y
[19:01] <Guest31167> Intel® Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 Graphics
[19:01] <brijith> Guys, Need Help. I am not able to access internet after connecting to VPN using cisco Anyconnect
[19:02] <GivenToCode> im not sure if there is a way to reverse engineer exactly what happens when i use apt-get install, it's installing the debs but doing other things as well that if I knew what I could replicate
[19:02] <Guest31167> on LAptop
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> brijith: You will have to consult with your VPN provider for assistance
[19:02] <zendude> oh wow thanks i forgot about Cedega
[19:03] <ioria> lotuspsychje, what stopped working suddenly ? your ethernet card ?
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> ioria: yes at a customers xenial box
[19:03] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i see
[19:03] <vegii> ioria: what do you mean by load -9 ?
[19:04] <veeseaczar2> tomreyn: are you around?
[19:04] <ioria> vegii,    r8169
[19:04] <brijith> pragmaticenigma: but it works without any issue in windows
[19:04] <vegii> ah r8169
[19:04] <nacc> GivenToCode: right, but that's not how anything actually works :)
[19:04] <GivenToCode> fair enough
[19:05] <nacc> GivenToCode: if you want to make static image, then just make an image and don't enable the PPA (install the packages you want, then remove the repo). Your image will immediately be out of date, possibly insecure, etc. but you seem willing to accept that cost
[19:05] <valeech> brijith: Sometimes the Anyconnect client does not remove VPN routes properly. Do you know if the VPN you are connecting to supports split-tunneling?
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> brijith: We do not have the documentation required for connecting to your VPN provider. There are settings they may need you to set, which we wouldn't have. You need to contact their help desk for assistnace
[19:06] <brijith> pragmaticenigma: ok. thanks for the info
[19:06] <GivenToCode> nacc yes that would require a good size refactor of our image baking process. I think we will stick with this pain for now.
[19:07] <vegii> ioria: same issue. Now lspci says "kernel driver in use r8169" and "kernel modules r8168"
[19:08] <nacc> GivenToCode: the pain being it doesn't work? I don't understand.
[19:08] <vegii> !cowsay r8169
[19:09] <ioria> vegii,    modinfo r8169
[19:09] <veeseaczar2> Hey frands. My partitioning failed midway while installing xubuntu and now all my laptop does is boot to a grub
[19:09] <veeseaczar2> No bios option or boot options now
[19:09] <veeseaczar2> Toshiba screen. Then grub.
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: can you still enter recoverymode?
[19:10] <kittenCanaveral> Okay, so i dave been able to work out something that could be a clue to my isues, after disconnecting one of my monitorso i am able to log in, it's tho monitor i have hooked up to the inmell gfx the other 2 are on amd and seem fine. but unlike on my win10 install it's not seeming to play nice. It was my understanding that the intell drives were installed  y defult?
[19:10] <veeseaczar2> Nope.
[19:10] <GivenToCode> nacc the pain being we need to keep an eye on the ppa to anticipate changes and retest everything when a new minor version is released
[19:10] <veeseaczar2> I think i just soft bricked my machine
[19:11] <nacc> GivenToCode: right, so then, you can just use the PPA right now?
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: you cant brick a machine, retry a new setup?
[19:11] <vegii> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jg9rbKThWZ/
[19:12] <Guest31167> https://resmim.net.com/preview/otRkPl.jpg
[19:12] <GivenToCode> nacc, yes we are using the ppa and will continue to. I was hoping for a low level effort switch to directly dpkg -i the debs (we do this for other dependencies we want more control over)
[19:12] <Guest31167> https://resmim.net/preview/otRkPl.jpg
[19:12] <veeseaczar2> So again. I boot, ans holding any modifier goes to straight to grub.
[19:12] <Guest31167> Problem Foto
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: depends what exactly broke...if you cant boot, cant enter grub, cant recoverymode...try reinstall?
[19:13] <JFox762> Hi
[19:13] <ioria> vegii,    it's ok and not working ?
[19:13] <coz_> JFox762,  hey guy
[19:13] <JFox762> My Lenovo T430s' battery keeps draining after I close the lid... and leave unplugged
[19:13] <JFox762> This is a very recent problem...
[19:14] <veeseaczar2> How do inreinstall if all roads lead to this grub terminal?
[19:14] <coz_> JFox762, sounds like a bad battery
[19:14] <kittenCanaveral> under power, i think you can chose what to do when you close the lid
[19:14] <JFox762> I dont think it is Coz_
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: put back your usb install and try again?
[19:14] <vegii> ioria: yep, I'll post dhclient -v output once it times out in a moment
[19:14] <JFox762> Very recent problem, and I can tell that some fans are still turned on....
[19:14] <coz_> JFox762,  why do you sat that?
[19:14] <kittenCanaveral> what is it currently set to do?
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: F12 boot media is before grub loading
[19:15] <JFox762> It isn't remaining in "sleep mode" or hybernation mode or whatever
[19:15] <veeseaczar2> Did you read what i said homie?
[19:15] <coz_> JFox762,  did you check power settings
[19:15] <veeseaczar2> Its as if all thata left on the machine is the grub terminal
[19:16] <JFox762> I tried
[19:16] <JFox762> not sure how to do so though
[19:17] <JFox762> Do you mean in the GUI or by Terminal?
[19:17] <kittenCanaveral> i was thinking gui
[19:17] <coz_> JFox762,  gui first
[19:17] <JFox762> ok
[19:17] <JFox762> Let me see how
[19:17] <coz_> JFox762,  18.04?
[19:17] <JFox762> yes
[19:18] <JFox762> Ubuntu 18.04
[19:18] <veeseaczar2> What the hell.... It swapped the function of the fkeys
[19:18] <nhehguy> new user at ubuntu...
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> kittenCanaveral: a few more details please, ubuntu versions, dualscreens? connected how? mirror/stretched?
[19:18] <coz_> JFox762,  go to your "settings "
[19:19] <coz_> JFox762,  "power" options
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> nhehguy: welcome to ubuntu support, this channel is for ubuntu questions only
[19:19] <veeseaczar2> lotuspsychje: sorry for my ire. This has been plaguing me for tthe last 3 days.
[19:19] <kittenCanaveral> 18.04 lts 2 are connected to the amd card, the leem fine basic dual screen, the other was on the intagrated
[19:20] <kittenCanaveral> this is a fresh install btw
[19:20] <coz_> JFox762,  see if this link helps   http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/04/28/change-lid-close-action-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> kittenCanaveral: ok tnx and whats happening exactly?
[19:21] <veeseaczar2> So we're back in the live usb. Issue now is that where previously it e recognized wireless networks in step three, now it only lists the network adapter.
[19:21] <veeseaczar2> This results in an installation that cant connect to the internet
[19:21] <kittenCanaveral> i mentiond  way back in the scroll up about a sizzure inducing flashing screen log in loop
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: some chipsets need to be pulled off install media, or enable 3rd party
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: can you install with ethernet cable first?
[19:22] <kittenCanaveral> so im not sure what it was trying to do as it was makeing mj twitchy trying to nead it
[19:22] <veeseaczar2> It didnt do this yesterday. There was an update broke it, i reinstalled, and now the issue is present.
[19:22] <JFox762> what is suspend?
[19:22] <nhehguy> help! my notebook is wi-fi supported and Ubuntu don't recognizes
[19:22] <JFox762> Will Suspend save battery life?
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: now your talking nonsense...first you say partition breaks, now you say update brake?
[19:23] <kittenCanaveral> also with the 3 monitor i lost acsess to the kb and mouso
[19:23] <kittenCanaveral> jfox762 yes
[19:23] <kittenCanaveral> it's simalar to sleep
[19:23] <veeseaczar2> Yes. Both are true.
[19:23] <JFox762> should i choose hibernate or suspend?
[19:24] <coz_> JFox762,  yes it will
[19:24] <veeseaczar2> First. Partitioned. Every great. Updated.  Live usb doesnt recognize wifi now
[19:25] <coz_> JFox762,  hybernate essentially turns off the system so no battery used
[19:25] <nacc> GivenToCode: my guess is you're missing one, or there is an ordering issue
[19:26] <ducasse> JFox762: hibernate uses your swap space, so that must be equal to or larger than your amount of ram
[19:26] <kittenCanaveral> lotuspsychje if you want you can dm so messages dont get lost
[19:26] <veeseaczar2> P.s. once i plug into ethernet my connection here will be lost.
[19:26] <coz_> JFox762,    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate
[19:27] <coz_> JFox762,  as ducasse  said, it save the current state of the system
[19:27] <GivenToCode> nacc, everything installs cleanly, but the driver can't be detected. From searching around some so files aren't where they are supposed to be but it became a game of whack-a-mole
[19:28] <jluc> ok done
[19:29] <coz_> gotta go
[19:29]  * jluc successfully and seemlessly upgraded to 18.04
[19:29] <kittenCanaveral> nice
[19:30] <kittenCanaveral> iim stillworking out some bugs, i still have to make sure dual bootwill work right.....
[19:30] <kittenCanaveral> but the screensfirst
[19:33] <jack2> it isn't working
[19:33] <nacc> GivenToCode: any logs?
[19:33] <jack2> My Lenovo Laptop has two indicator lights... One is a battery shaped light, and one is crescent
[19:34] <JFox762> and the crescent light only turns on for a second, and turns back off..
[19:35] <GivenToCode> nacc, I'm not sure where it would log to, but this ldconfig -p | grep nvidia just showed libnvidia-container.so.1, where this comment: https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-docker/issues/726#issuecomment-392380452 says i should have had others
[19:36] <GivenToCode> I found that comment by searching for the exact error i got when trying to run containers
[19:38] <vegii> ioria: re: "it's ok and not working ?" sudo dhclient -v &> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D3JpycKrq3/
[19:38] <vegii> wait, how does it know my nick? o.o
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> veeseaczar2: dont pm please
[19:39] <veeseaczar2> K
[19:39] <nacc> GivenToCode: tbh, i have no idea; i would suggest contacting the PPA owner, maybe
[19:39] <vegii> oh, well, username on the system I ran pastebinit matches
[19:40] <crandon> Today on a sever operated by someone else I faced the following problem: I created a .tar.gz with ordinary files, all owned by the user running tar, but could neither extract it, not list it's content with -ztvf. tar simply blocked and did nothing. Interestingly as root I could list the archive content just fine. Running an strace as both the regular user and root I found, that compared to where tar got stucked as regular user (some
[19:40] <crandon> futex calls after getuid() and getgid()) as root the next calls initiated some mysql queries. The machine's nssswitch.conf is configured to use mysql. Any idea what could be misconfigured and how tar could be told not to do such thing?
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> vegii: i think the key on realteks on ubuntu is linux-firmware & kernel version...i had some realteak in the past broken and work again after update, and reverse work first then brake again..
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> crandon: ubuntu server version please?
[19:42] <crandon> lotuspsychje: 14.04
[19:42] <JFox762> brb
[19:42] <vegii> lotuspsychje: I heard that reverting to 4.14 was a fix and you're using an even older kernel, so idk what the cause is
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> crandon: ok see the #ubuntu-server channel
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> vegii: did you put yourself affected to my bug yet?
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> vegii: the more users report, the better the solution might get.
[19:43] <vegii> lotuspsychje: though the person who told me that reverting to 4.14 works uses arch. I'll add myself in a moment
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> vegii: Bug #1769386
[19:44] <crandon> lotuspsychje: Ok, will do so. BTW: what's the general guideline with regard to what topics to be discussed here and what on the @ubuntu-server channel?
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> crandon: well we mostly try to filter desktop & server issues to the right channel
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> crandon: server channel also holds alot of experts on ubuntu server
[19:45] <nacc> crandon: it's not clear your question really has anything to do with server
[19:46] <nacc> crandon: my guess it's what you found, your nsswitch.conf
[19:46] <JFox762> i figured it out
[19:46] <JFox762> the instructions given before... weren't eenough
[19:46] <JFox762> https://www.fosslinux.com/1007/fix-laptop-doesnt-suspend-after-lid-is-closed-in-ubuntu-16-04.htm
[19:47] <JFox762> I also had to swithc on HandleSwitchDocked to suspend as well.. HandleSwitch will put it in suspend... but only for a second for some stupid reason...
[19:47] <JFox762> HandleSwitchDocked... maintains the suspension...
[19:47] <JFox762> if set to suspend
[19:47] <JFox762> so both entries had to be edited. lol
[19:47] <JFox762> Thanks!
[19:47] <JFox762> You at least poined me in the right direction :)
[19:50] <JFox762>       /set irc.server_default.nicks "JFox762"
[19:50] <JFox762> exit
[19:52] <crandon> nacc: yeah, that I can' influence hence I'd like to know if it would be possible to avoid tar checking for the usernames/group names and just 'blindly' show the content (ie simply the gids/uid) or extract with the users own gid/uid which should be known to tar without any nsswtich magic. According to man tar ignoring original GUID/UID and using the users own should be default for regular users...
[19:53] <Guest40849> exit
[19:53] <Nokaji> Hi, tried updating 16.04 to 18.04. It boots but hangs for 15seconds saying "no table found" (grub???), then loads but no l.h.s navigation icons, no topbar with time etc icons and cannot switch between windows without closing front programme :)
[19:53] <Guest40849>      /set irc.server_default.nicks "Guest40849" exit
[19:54] <JFox762> hi
[19:54] <Guest40849>  Hi
[19:54] <leftyfb> Guest40849: try ALT+F4
[19:54] <JFox762> just testing
[19:54] <JFox762> alright again thanks everyone :D
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | Nokaji
[19:55] <linux_user2> Hello all! I am trying to figure out if there is an easy way to modify a standard Ubuntu installation so that when it reboots it can unlock the full disk encryption using a USB key instead of the prompt that comes on the screen? So, if I am going to be out of my office I can place the USB key there and then reboot it remotely or even better get the GUI prompt  remotely and enter it via the keyboard?
[19:55] <linux_user2> I am talking about Ubuntu 18.04
[19:55] <leftyfb> 2018 Jul 19 12:48:41 <linux_user2>	 I am done with Ubuntu.
[19:55] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: so I'll have a crippled system for next four weeks?
[19:56] <linux_user2> I am done with it, I have a client that asked me about that, I am downloading CentOS 7.5 for myself
[19:56] <nacc> crandon: did you try any of hte various uid options?
[19:57] <linux_user2> leftyfb: CentOS has greater value anyway as knowledge of it is more commercially valuable
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> Nokaji: clean install 18.04 perhaps
[19:57] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: it was telling me I could upgrade - so I assumed it was ready
[19:57] <leftyfb> linux_user2: uh hu
[19:57] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: okay, thanks for the info but I really wouldn't have bothered without the 'upgrade me now' prompts
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> Nokaji: did you get an upgrade window?
[19:58] <leftyfb> linux_user2: I googled "ubuntu luks key file" for you and came up with the first link. https://www.howtoforge.com/automatically-unlock-luks-encrypted-drives-with-a-keyfile
[19:58] <kittenCanaveral>   centos is nice butit has it's issues , esp if you are trying to run a game server
[19:58] <leftyfb> kittenCanaveral: lets not
[19:58] <ubuntu__> !usb
[19:58] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: I kinda forget now in the confusion butit did say 18.04 was now available to install in the usual auto-upgrade window things (excuse my technical language)
[19:58] <kittenCanaveral> sorry
[19:58] <leftyfb> ubuntu__: can we help you with something?
[19:59] <Nokaji> definitely saw 18.04 mentioned
[19:59] <linux_user2> leftyfb: ok, so if I follow those instructions and the USB key is installed it won't ask for the password via the GUI and cause me the boot up to be stuck until its entered then, yes?
[19:59] <ubuntu__> Ubuntu 18 Live Mode?
[19:59] <linux_user2> that is what happened last time (and I did not try something like this for sure)
[20:00] <leftyfb> linux_user2: IF you've got a "client", I assume you're some sort of professional and are aware of the concept of testing things before deployment
[20:00] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: if I over install an 18.04 distro, will it keep (or update etc) my files and settings?
[20:00] <nacc> leftyfb: afaict, they are asking to use the usb key as the auth mechanism, yubikey like
[20:01] <linux_user2> right...I figured you were giving me something you were familiar with and not just doing a google search for me, so I asked you, I mean why else would I ask you if I know how to use google, right?
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> Nokaji: on setup you can preserve your /home
[20:01] <leftyfb> nacc: I know this. And the tutorial and about a dozen other search results explain exactly how to set this up
[20:01] <nacc> leftyfb: ok
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> Nokaji: 18.04.1 comes out 26july
[20:01] <linux_user2> and thus, I was asking which (if any) solutions you are aware of you have experience with as working.
[20:01] <ubuntu__> Ubuntu 18 Live Mode?
[20:02] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: neat - I guess I don't have much of a choice ...
[20:02] <Vivit> Be this the place whereat I about network manager being a stubborn ass may gripe
[20:02] <leftyfb> linux_user2: If you're only using a support channel only on the assumption that the person helping you has been in your exact situation, you're going to not get very good results.
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> !details | Vivit first
[20:03] <leftyfb> Vivit: If you need support, please detail the issue and commence with troubleshooting with whoever is helping you. It is not the place to only complain about an issue.
[20:03] <ohunter> On the Ubuntu Help page for hybrid graphics, it states that the modeset should be declared based on the internals of the system, however it only says 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash XXX.modeset=1"', but considering that this is about hybrid graphics, does this mean that one should declare the preferred primary graphics card as the XXX or should there be two XXX sections?
[20:03] <ohunter> link to page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[20:03] <linux_user2> really? You mean expecting someone to tell me what their experiences have been is unlikely? Interesting! I didn't realize support mean search, paste, and say oh read this ok?
[20:04] <Vivit> Alright, so this is the place for troubleshooting help with network manager?
[20:04] <Vivit> Or a place, at least
[20:04] <Nokaji> lotuspsychje: Ihave a part used SSD, I'll try to do a fresh install on that (or whatever the path of least resistance turns out to be - hopefully it won't be scrapping OS's) - thanks for your help
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: did you read what we just said?
[20:05] <Nokaji> signing off ... so I can access another window
[20:05] <ubuntu__> Ubuntu 18 Live Mode?
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu__: please stop that
[20:06] <Vivit> lotuspsychje: yes, and I want to confirm that I read it correctly :)
[20:06] <ubuntu__> ok
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: so, before we can say its the right place, your ubuntu version please? details of whats going on?
[20:08] <ubuntu__> !tr
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> vegii: tnx for the bug add!
[20:09] <vegii> np
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> vegii: perhaps also add your current ubuntu version
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> vegii: cause the bug is original xenial
[20:10] <vegii> can I edit comments?
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> vegii: ah wait nvm, you did
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> (bionic)
[20:12] <xubuntu1804> Pros & Cons of using; apt-get vs. update-manager vs. gnome-software ?? xubuntu-18.04 , fully up to date (apt-get)
[20:12] <xubuntu1804> uname -a Linux host 4.15.0-29-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 17 15:39:52 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: we dont take polls here, thank you
[20:13] <kittenCanaveral> Lotouspsychje , did you have more advice?  i just rechecked that my packages were all upt date, most of whatgoogle is showing is nvidea related, im useing amd and intell.
[20:13] <xubuntu1804> Should I use:	sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f then sudo apt-get upgrade OR sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> ohunter: You define the graphics chip that you want to start the machine with only
[20:14] <Blaine> xubuntu1804: i dont think there is much difference. choose which one you like better.
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> ohunter: As I understand it, this sets the machine default state for boot.
[20:14] <Blaine> xubuntu1804: easiest way is the gui
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> ohunter: once you are past that, the other features become available (if the system supports it)
[20:14] <ubuntu__> ok
[20:14] <ubuntu__> Ubuntu 18 Live Mode?
[20:15] <xubuntu1804> Which gui; /usr/bin/update-manager  OR gnome-software %U
[20:15] <Blaine> xubuntu1804: update manager for updating
[20:15] <Blaine> software updater sorry
[20:15] <Blaine> xubuntu1804:
[20:17] <xubuntu1804> If I use apt-get; apt-get upgrade OR sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:17] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu1804: please dont repeat over and over
[20:17] <nacc> xubuntu1804: i feel like maybe you don't understand what hte subcommands do
[20:17] <ubuntu__> Read My Question
[20:17] <nacc> xubuntu1804: have you read `man apt-get` ?
[20:18] <Vivit> Version is 16.04.4 LTS, via bodhi (although I use i3 much more often than enlightenment.) My problem is that I cannot seem to use my wifi device. $ nmcli dev tells me that it (wlp2s0) is "unavailable". It was working just fine until a few days ago -- I do not remember anything like updates being installed, and in fact, the thing that _seems_ to have triggered it was me resetting my wifi router while the computer was connected, although I w
[20:18] <nacc> ubuntu__: your question had no verbs.
[20:18] <Blaine> xubuntu1804: dist-upgrade is for upgrading the distro not for smaller ubdates
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu__: thats not a question...
[20:18] <nacc> Blaine: not true.
[20:18] <ubuntu__> Ubuntu 18 Live Mode?
[20:18] <nacc> Blaine: dist-upgrade simply allows apt to remove pacakges in order to upgrade packages, if necessary.
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: we dont support bodhi
[20:18] <nacc> ubuntu__: that is still lacking a verb.
[20:19] <xubuntu1804> `man apt-get` not for a long-time ;)
[20:19] <nacc> xubuntu1804: ok, read that.
[20:19] <Blaine> lol
[20:20] <nacc> xubuntu1804: that will explain the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (in `apt` it's full-upgrade, but dist-upgrade is an alias).
[20:20] <xubuntu1804> apt-get handles snaps ok??
[20:20] <nacc> xubuntu1804: no.
[20:20] <nacc> xubuntu1804: in modern ubuntu, there is no reason to not always do : `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade`.
[20:21] <nacc> xubuntu1804: -f install is not a generally required thing, so I wouldn't just run it willy-nilly.
[20:21] <Blaine> nacc nice i did not know about full-upgrade
[20:21] <nacc> Blaine: see `man apt` :)
[20:21] <Blaine> i guess its new never heard of that until now thanks
[20:21] <Vivit> If I'm to understand correctly, bodhi is just Ubuntu with Enlightenment instead of Gnome as a default graphical shell. The headers for tty1-6 read 'Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS $HOSTNAME'
[20:22] <crond> Hi, i just installed the Nvidia drivers 390, and I am getting 'Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig' when I run glxinfo.  X is working it seems though.  Can anyone suggest anything?
[20:22] <Blaine> but i find the gui pretty easy and efficient to use
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: bodhi is a distro, we support official ubuntu & flavors here
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> Blaine: please only support questions here
[20:23] <Vivit> Isn't it a flavor?
[20:23] <nacc> Vivit: not an official flavor, no.
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Vivit
[20:23] <Blaine> lotuspsychje: where did you see a question?
[20:24] <lotuspsychje> Blaine: nowhere from you, that just the problem
[20:24] <Vivit> May I ask you what you would say to someone who had all those problems on vanilla Ubuntu?
[20:24] <Blaine> lotuspsychje: was not aware you did not want others to help.
[20:24] <nacc> it's ok, lotuspsychje, i think they were technically replying to me
[20:25] <nacc> Vivit: we would ask if they are using Ubuntu.
[20:25] <Blaine> lotuspsychje: based on what I have seen here. I know more than a lot of your regular helpers :)
[20:25] <nacc> Vivit: and if they were, we would look at the logs and debug it.
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> Blaine: feel free to join #ubuntu-discuss
[20:26] <xubuntu1804> Ok, and thanks to all for your knowledge and help !
[20:27] <Vivit> That's not what I'm asking for! I'm just asking if, based on that description, you have any idea what the problem _might_ be.
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: come to ubuntu-discuss there you can discuss it
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> Vivit: We would be able to consult the Ubuntu documentation to help us help the user determine the cause and a solution to their problem. The issue with Bodhi, LinuxMint, etc, is while they're built on Ubuntu as a core, they have customized various parts to their own liking. Those changes are documented and handled by their groups. If you were to go to Bodhi's IRC channels and support with an Ubuntu question, they would
[20:28] <pragmaticenigma> redirect you here.
[20:29] <Vivit> Oh,  I thought this _was_ the general discussion channel for Ubuntu.
[20:29] <lotuspsychje> Vivit: it isnt no
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> Vivit: ... there was a line of text when you joined this channel telling you what it's purpose was
[20:34] <jonathanpa> s
[20:34] <jonathanpa> q
[20:40] <noobybooby> I'm trying to connect to my Android device using ADB (Android Debug Bridge) which is a standard Android utility in the Ubuntu repos. I can't get the connection to work though, and the problem seems to be on the PC side, rather than the mobile device side
[20:40] <noobybooby> I'm looking for help troubleshooting this.
[20:40] <noobybooby> I don't want to reboot my machine every time I do this, knock on wood, etc to get it to work haha
[20:41] <noobybooby> Android device shows "USB debugging connected" but on the Linux pc, running "sudo adb devices" shows no devices attached
[20:42] <oerheks> do you have mtp-tools installed?
[20:43] <gogeta> noobybooby: is you phone in the corect mode
[20:43] <noobybooby> gogeta: yes. lsusb even sees an Android device
[20:44] <noobybooby> gogeta: hold on
[20:44] <noobybooby> yes it is
[20:44] <noobybooby> I get a notification that 'USB debugging connected' on the device
[20:44] <oerheks> !info mtp-tools
[20:44] <noobybooby> this is ADB not MTP!
[20:45] <gogeta> nobody: you need that toolset still
[20:45] <gogeta> noobybooby: hes giving you good advice
[20:46] <oerheks> there is android-tools-adb and adb, never used it myself though
[20:47] <gogeta> oerheks: you on point you need the mtp drivers s adb can work
[20:47] <gogeta> so
[20:47] <oerheks> hmm no, tis is different, not just transfer
[20:47] <oerheks> c/this
[20:48] <oerheks> interesting, a bit dated .. http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/74-ubuntu/354-ubuntu-xenial-android-adb-fastboot-qtadb
[20:49] <ubuntu__> Ubuntu 18 Live Mode?
[20:49] <oerheks> and your device is not detected by your computer, you may be facing the USB3 bug, some androids work wonky on usb3
[20:49] <nacc> ubuntu__: again, and for the last time, that is not a sentence. What is your actual question.
[20:50] <oerheks> ubuntu__, time to register :-)
[20:50] <gogeta> ubuntu__: what
[20:50] <ubuntu__> !register
[20:51] <oerheks> ubuntu_ yes, you know exactly how, no stop spamming the channel with random comments and bot commands.
[20:51] <gogeta> oerheks: i didnt think it lets in unregesterd name
[20:52] <ubuntu__>  This nickname is registered
[20:52] <nacc> ubuntu__: if you don't know how to use freenode/IRC, use the appropriate channel mentioned in the faq response.
[20:53] <nacc> ubuntu__: please stick to Ubuntu support topics in this channel.
[20:53] <oerheks> yes we do, gogeta, for low level entrance, but ubuntu__ is not seeking help at all, just sending random comments
[20:54] <oerheks> other channels have registered trolls only :-D
[20:58] <ubuntu__>  #ubuntu14.04 Ubuntu 14.04 Only!
[20:59] <nacc> ubuntu__: stop.
[21:00] <Krenair> Just upgraded to 18.04 on my laptop
[21:00] <Krenair> Can't right click on my touchpad
[21:00] <Krenair> Been into tweaks
[21:01] <Krenair> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse click emulation
[21:01] <blu> yy
[21:01] <Krenair> set to Area
[21:02] <Krenair> but no luck
[21:03] <Krenair> I can't use two fingers to right click either
[21:07] <oerheks> systemsettings or gnome-tweak-tool ?
[21:08] <oerheks> !info info gnome-tweak-tool
[21:08] <oerheks> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[21:11] <Krenair> oerheks, gnome-tweak-tool
[21:13] <joltman> I've got 18.04 desktop installed with ZFS setup and a pool and data set created.  I'm trying to configure ZED to send email out to my gmail.  I've configured msmtp and created an /etc/msmtprc file and I can successfully send myself an email with the command line: sudo echo -e "Subject: Test Mail\r\n\r\nThis is a test mail" | msmtp --debug --from=default -t<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:14] <joltman> All the instructions I've seen tell me to uncomment the line in zedrc telling it to use mail.  I've installed msmtp msmtp-mta and s-nail. However, if I run a test email from the command line, Ubuntu is telling me that mail isn't installed:
[21:15] <joltman> mail -s "test subject"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:15] <joltman> Command 'mail' not found, but can be installed with:
[21:15] <joltman> Has something changed with 18.04 where these commands won't work anymore?
[21:16] <kittenCanaveral> Are there any hidden fractinal scaling options that i am misssing? i think i have my other display working but it needs to be scaled down by at least 20% virticly and more horazontaly.
[21:18] <nacc> joltman: you normally send mail with `sendmail`
[21:19] <joltman> nacc, from what i'm seeing, msmtp-mta actually creates an alias from "sendmail" to msmtp
[21:19] <joltman> Here's the line.  /usr/sbin/sendmail -> ../bin/msmtp
[21:19] <nacc> joltman: if you really want to use `mail`, then you need to install mailutils
[21:19] <nacc> joltman: yes, i know.
[21:20] <electricmilk> I want to install an Ubuntu server in Hyper-V and was hoping for a GUI but nothing fancy..maybe XFCE.  Can I easily install a Windows manager after the install?
[21:20] <electricmilk> Or should I just man up and go without a windows manager?
[21:20] <electricmilk> I'm just using it as a server for HIPS and a network monitor
[21:20] <joltman> nacc according to this: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/6246 I should just need to install msmtp-mta and s-nail and it should work, but i'm not seeing the alias
[21:20] <compdoc> electricmilk, install a minimal Mate desktop
[21:21] <compdoc> hyper-v sucks, tho. kills perfomance and hard to admin
[21:21] <electricmilk> compdoc, Is it an option to install Mate desktop with the regular Ubuntu server install?
[21:21] <electricmilk> compdoc,  Well its running on a Windows Server 2016 that is already using Hyper-V.  You recommend I use something else?
[21:22] <compdoc> no, but you can install the minimal ubuntu-mate desktop. its the same as Server, but has a gui
[21:23] <compdoc> electricmilk, KVM runs guests at native performance, but that might not matter for your project
[21:23] <electricmilk> compdoc,  ah okay. Thanks
[21:23] <electricmilk> I'm not really needing anything fancy. Just trying to keep it simple.
[21:24] <electricmilk> Thanks for your help
[21:24] <compdoc> electricmilk, your hyper-v is joined to a domain?
[21:24] <electricmilk> It is not
[21:24] <electricmilk> I'm keeping it separate
[21:25] <compdoc> have you set it up and used it?
[21:25] <electricmilk> Ehh I'm setting it up right now
[21:25] <electricmilk> I might join the Linux server to the domain
[21:25] <compdoc> well, not being in a domain makes it very hard to work with.
[21:25] <compdoc> good luck
[21:25] <electricmilk> Not sure why though. Its just running as a server for HIPS and network monitoring
[21:26] <nacc> joltman: not sure s-nail provides mail anyjmore; what does `update-alternatives --list mail` say?
[21:26] <electricmilk> Ah well...I'll join the Ubuntu server to the domain...Ubuntu has LDAP support right?
[21:26] <compdoc> with samba, you can join a domain
[21:27] <compdoc> not simple, tho
[21:27] <ghostnik11> hey i am trying to uninstall completely lubuntu and all of its packages from my ubuntu 16.04, i wanted to try out lxde as a desktop environment but now i don't have sound and i don't get the ubuntu sign when i boot up, i just get Lubuntu sign. so can i run this command and it will automatically remove all of the lubuntu stuff: sudo apt-get autoremove lubuntu
[21:27] <electricmilk> compdoc,  Hmm I'll see how everything works off the domain and worry about it later I suppose
[21:27] <nacc> ghostnik11: no, that does not do what you stated.
[21:28] <ghostnik11> nacc, okay so it should be: sudo auto-remove lubuntu
[21:28] <compdoc> electricmilk, on a windows computer, you use Computer Manager and Hyper-v manager, that you have to install
[21:29] <compdoc> to admin the box
[21:29] <nacc> ghostnik11: no, autoremove has nothing to do with the removal of a specific pacakge
[21:29] <electricmilk> Oh well I'm that far..I have a Server 2016 running for our Shoretel server in Hyper-V
[21:29] <nacc> ghostnik11: read the `man apt-get` page again
[21:29] <electricmilk> But I'm getting off-topic.  I'll try installing Mate and see what happens.
[21:30] <ghostnik11> nacc,  i think its sudo apt-get autoremove lubuntu-desktop
[21:30] <compdoc> cool
[21:31] <nacc> ghostnik11: did you try it?
[21:33] <ghostnik11> nacc, yeah its working and removing 108mb but i want to just try the desktop environment for it. like just lxde. so i have xfce and not necessarily xubuntu installed on ubuntu 16.04, i wanted to see how my machine worked with the lighter weight desktop environment
[21:33] <joltman> nacc, "no alternatives for mail"
[21:33] <nacc> joltman: yes, afaict, s-nail does not provide mail/mailx-compatibility any longer
[21:33] <nacc> joltman: not 100% on that
[21:34] <joltman> nacc, I think you're right
[21:34] <nacc> ghostnik11: i can't tell if that is a question
[21:34] <joltman> i'm not sure how to get ZED to send email then.
[21:34] <nacc> joltman: dunno why you specifically need mail? does ZED depend on that particular command?
[21:34] <joltman> that is the default in zedrc
[21:36] <nacc> joltman: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858080
[21:37] <ghostnik11> nacc, you got jokes, but yeah i have a 2 in 1 pc asus 100taf that i had to take that stupid windows 10 off and put on ubuntu 16.04 and also have a android x86 partition as well. its a small little tablet basically and its specs aren't like a microsoft surface. i have an intel atom cpu at 1.33GHz x 4, and intel atom graphics card, and 32Gb mmcblk that is soldered onto the mother board. so with those specs a rich desktop
[21:37] <ghostnik11> environment like unit and cinnamon move slow and lag. so last night i asked first some of the experts here if xfce, mate or lxde would be faster and i was told with my specs best to go with xfce or lxde
[21:39] <ghostnik11> nacc, thing is when i select lxde from repository, it never showed up as an option when i logged out. only xfce did. which is what i am using now as my DE. but i wanted to try LXDE but i can't unless i install lubuntu-desktop which is strange becasue in the repository i selected lxde also and it installed all of it with its dependencies
[21:40] <ghostnik11> nacc will restart and be back to see if i will be able to see the ubuntu sign again and have audio working again
[21:42] <Matt|home> hi.. im getting an error after trying to run a bash script: couldn't find package python3.6 by glob/regex. i have 3.6 installed. pretty sure i installed it via the repos. im running 16.04
[21:42] <Matt|home> is this a version/compatibility issue or am i doing something wrong?
[21:43] <ghostnik11> nacc, okay when i rebooted i still got the lubuntu sign and when i log in, i still see option for lubuntu, lubuntu netbook? so that command even though it told me everything with lubuntu-desktop and its dependencies were removed
[21:43] <ghostnik11> nacc, will also do sudo apt-get autoremove lxde and see what happens
[21:44] <nacc> Matt|home: 16.04 had 3.5
[21:44] <Krenair> Still having broken right click on 18.04
[21:45] <Matt|home> nacc - ah i misread. uh. do i have to upgrade my ubuntu version before i can install 3.6 ?
[21:45] <nacc> Matt|home: officially? yes
[21:46] <Matt|home> ugh.. which version should i upgrade to
[21:46] <nacc> Matt|home: 18.04 has 3.6.5
[21:46] <nacc> Matt|home: but upgrading your OS for python ... seems weird
[21:46] <nacc> Matt|home: why do you specifically need 3.6?
[21:46] <oerheks> and 3.7 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python3.7
[21:46] <oerheks> bionic that is
[21:47] <nacc> oerheks: ah yes, i was just looking at python3
[21:47] <Matt|home> it's for work, im doing some build testing for a project that uses 3.6 on ubuntu, otherwise i get those errors. i could -try- to emulate this in a VM, but my cpu is utter shit so
[21:47] <Matt|home> probably not
[21:47]  * Matt|home googles how to upgrade versions..
[21:47] <nacc> Matt|home: why not just use a container?
[21:47] <Matt|home> wassat
[21:48] <oerheks> i know 1 ppa, deadsnakes, https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[21:48] <nacc> Matt|home: have you heard of docker or lxd?
[21:48] <Matt|home> the program im working on had instructions for 'building with and without docker'. i was told to try to do it without docker because some code was super broken, and that since im running ubuntu natively it should work
[21:48] <Matt|home> but if i have to upgrade my version then so be it
[21:49] <nacc> Matt|home: ok, up to you
[21:49] <Matt|home> 18.04 is stable-ish ?
[21:49] <oerheks> pretty amazing, yes
[21:49] <compdoc> Im on it now, for my desktop. some oddities
[21:50] <Matt|home> mkay
[21:50] <compdoc> but works well
[21:51] <ghostnik11> i am still stuck with lubuntu, even after running sudo apt-get autoremove lubuntu-desktoop and sudo apt-get autoremove lxde
[21:51] <Matt|home> thanks for your help guys /o
[22:10] <ceibal> ees
[22:20] <ghostnik11> okay so i got rid of openbox, lsession and all that stuff and now i see the ubuntu logo and not the lubuntu logo anymore. the only last thing is that when i get to my login screen i don't get to see the ubuntu look. i still see the lubuntu look which is a white/gray/silver toolbar uptop and it doesn't show the usual ubuntu 16.04 look
[22:20] <ghostnik11> how can i get that last thing back
[22:45] <Candhika911> hai
[22:47] <shdeuce> Hello. I'd need the module pam_pgsql but can't find it in 18.04. How  would I authenticate against postgres without it=
[22:47] <EriC^^> !find pam_pgsql
[23:05] <Guest8325> Ubuntu+Windows DualBoot?
[23:36] <ozzzo> does anyone know how to fix the "hwclock: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" error on Ubuntu?
[23:36] <ozzzo> I googled around and people are saying to use --directisa but that doesn't make a difference for me; I'm on Ubuntu 14.04.5
[23:37] <ubuntu__> Reinstall
[23:37] <ubuntu__> ım using not problem
[23:38] <ubuntu__> !usb
[23:38] <ozzzo> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/chfvRdWPjx/
[23:39] <ubuntu__> Time Setting Problem
[23:41] <ubuntu__> Change Bios Battery
[23:43] <ubuntu__> !cd
[23:43] <ubuntu__> !usb
[23:47] <ubuntu__> !dvd
[23:47] <ubuntu__> !cd
[23:47] <ubuntu__> !cd
[23:47] <ubuntu__> !cd
[23:47] <ubuntu__> !cd
[23:47] <ubuntu__> !cd
[23:48] <ducasse> !msgthebot | ubuntu__
[23:50] <Guest36347> thx