[00:00] <rdunn19d> Ok, cool. The other users are unchanged; all icons and menu items are the same as they were. So, I can remove/rename/delete the config and start again? Is that in that link you gave me?
[00:00] <holstein> the link i gave was for editing the xfce menu items
[00:01] <rdunn19d> If I can just start her over again from scratch, I will; she hasn't had time to accumulate any stuff. It's been a week since I put Ubuntu Studio on there.
[00:02] <holstein> you can always just rename all of ~/.config and test
[00:04] <holstein> you may want to fresh install xubuntu or ubuntu mate.. something more 'desktop' oriented
[00:04] <rdunn19d> Ok. I will try that.  I thank you for your time, good sir.
[00:04] <holstein> they are all ubuntu, and may provide a larger community of support with these particular issues
[00:08] <rdunn19d> This is a temporary installation. I needed the "studio" part because I'm volunteering at my daughter's school for their theater production, and I wanted to see what packages Ubuntu users use to do sound production. I'm very new to that.
[00:10] <rdunn19d> I have very limited experience with Audacity. I don't have a clue what other people even use to make audio clips for theater production.
[00:10] <holstein> you can "see" those from the live iso
[00:10] <holstein> and you dont need the studio disto for any of the packages.. you can install any or all of the parts, such as audacity
[00:11] <rdunn19d> After the production, I'll install Mint (she likes to watch videos).
[00:11] <holstein> they are all ubuntu, with access to the same software in the same sources..
[00:11] <holstein> you can watch "videos" in ubuntustudio
[00:11] <holstein> there are no videos mint can provide support for that you cant do in any/all of the ubuntu's if you want
[00:12] <holstein> also, *all* of the same software from studio is available to mint, since mint is built on the ubuntu sources
[00:12] <rdunn19d> Yes, I know that, and I know I could just look up what packages are included in Ubuntu Studio. I tried the live version, and everything was super slow. This is an old laptop; very slow.
[00:13] <holstein> its more than that, though.. jack audio server is the backbone of the audio work flow
[00:13] <holstein> its likely overkill for any of your needs.. but, you wont know til you start using it
[00:14] <rdunn19d> I know all of the same software is available for Mint as well, but I don't even know what to install. I'm somewhat familiar with Linux, and I'm a noob at audio production.
[00:15] <rdunn19d> Exactly, lol. I don't know from Jack.
[00:16] <holstein> sure.. so, why take it all on at once?
[00:16] <holstein> my only point is, choose a "desktop" oriented desktop, and use it as the desktop.. one with a larger user base
[00:17] <holstein> ubuntustudio is great, and works well and as advertised, but, the tools are very specialized, and require a lot of setup
[00:17] <holstein> if you need them, you need them ,but you likely dont
[00:18] <holstein> ubuntustudio is quite capable, and can be used as a desktop operating system
[00:19] <rdunn19d> Ok, well, lesson learned. Let me ask another question. If it's beyond the scope, I'll understand...
[00:20] <holstein> rdunn19d: you dont even have to ask if you can ask.. you just ask, and if a volunteer can assist, they will
[00:25] <rdunn19d> I tried to record actors' voices and a musician, and I might not have connected things correctly. I got a horrible background noise. I was able to minimize the noise and then use an Audacity effect to get rid of it, but it was annoying. There is a chance that the sound board they use at the school is just old and that was the cause, but there is a greater chance that my incompetentcy is the cause.
[00:25] <holstein> regardless of hardware or os, you dont want to "fix it in post"
[00:25] <holstein> the rule is, "gold in, gold out"
[00:25] <rdunn19d> I'm sorry. It's been a long time since I've IRC'd. I'm not used to everyone being "polite" and "helpful", :P
[00:26] <rdunn19d> Sure, I can see that.
[00:26] <holstein> rdunn19d: no need to be sorry.. glad you are here :)
[00:26] <rdunn19d> Thank you.
[00:26] <holstein> but, if i may continue, you have a lot of variables there to week through
[00:26] <holstein> some of which likely have nothing to do with the operating system
[00:27] <holstein> one thing i will do is set these situations up at hoome
[00:27] <holstein> i *never* just go to the job/gig and expect magic
[00:27] <holstein> i drag it all out, and make sure its all working.. i record, and listen back.. see if there are noises.. test the cables.. make sure i have all i need
[00:28] <holstein> rdunn19d: you can introduce noise into the recording in many places.. what audio recording device are you using?
[00:28] <holstein> you may be trying to use the internal audio device, which, from the manufacturer, is not intended for audio production
[00:29] <holstein> its a great way to learn the system, and get audio in and out for skype calls, and music, etc
[00:29] <rdunn19d> I have zero recording equipment here at the house.
[00:29] <holstein> but, a simple/cheap usb audio device with a nice mic preamp can really help get clean audio into the computer
[00:30] <holstein> rdunn19d: you can likely discuss borrowing some of the equipment, since, you are likley volunteering your time
[00:30] <holstein> or, go in and set up scenarios there
[00:31] <holstein> its just not the kind of thing you can show up and expect to setup in a few minutes and have no issues
[00:31] <holstein> there are folks with 10's of thousands of dollars of equipment who charge 100's of dollars an hour who do what you are trying to do
[00:31] <rdunn19d> Ok, but if I plug a mic into the mic port and record to Audacity, the only background noise I've ever heard is whatever risidual noise is around. This is an awful, loud hum. It sounds like something mechanical magnetic or something.
[00:31] <holstein> sure
[00:32] <holstein> rdunn19d: nothing in that scenario is made for audio produciton
[00:32] <holstein> the creators of that hardware never said "just plug a mic in the side of the laptop and enjoy studio quality recordings"
[00:32] <holstein> seriously, for under $200 US you can have a *very* decent, clean sound into the machine
[00:33] <rdunn19d> Ok, sure. I understand that. But, what I have been doing (up until now) is servicable for a high school production.
[00:34] <holstein> then, enjoy!
[00:34] <holstein> if you want to clean it up, and get it emulating the work flow of a professional, we can have a discussion
[00:38] <rdunn19d> Ok, but even with the equipent at the school (professional? I dunno), I have no way to know if it's "set up" in a professional manner. I would like to set it up in a "professional" manner, but most of what you see online already assumes that you have done that.
[00:38] <holstein> you can easily search around, and ask questions
[00:38] <holstein> tour studios.. read articles
[00:39] <holstein> become obsessed, and research, and emulate.. or go to school, or take a lesson..
[00:39] <holstein> what you are saying now is, you are trying to record audio, pro audio into the machine with the internal audio device
[00:39] <holstein> thats a no-go
[00:40] <rdunn19d> Tour studios? I'm not exactly in a progressive, artistic part of the world, lol.
[00:40] <holstein> you will *never* see a studio using the internal audio device.. and, there is *nothing* wrong with the internal audio devices.. they are just not made for that
[00:40] <rdunn19d> Ok, I see what you are saying.
[00:40] <holstein> virtual tour
[00:41] <holstein> anyways, there are lots of ways to get where you are trying to get
[00:41] <holstein> most importantly is to stay moving, and emulate the professionals you want to sound like
[00:43] <rdunn19d> So, if I take a cable from an Aux output from an old Peavy board and plug it into the internal audio, I can expect background noise I haven't experienced with anything else.
[00:44] <holstein> rdunn19d: correct, as i, and the actual creators of that hardware have stated, its *not* for that task
[00:44] <holstein> its for skype calls, etc
[00:44] <holstein> you'll want a proper recording device.. an interface
[00:44] <holstein> or, you will waste a lot of time trying to clean that signal up..
[00:45] <holstein> and, its still going to have limitations..
[00:46] <rdunn19d> Ok. "Limitations" because the rest of the intercafe (USB, et. al.) was not built specifically for audio production?
[00:46] <holstein> you can take the aux out from "the old peavy board" into something like a http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
[00:46] <holstein> they are usually $30
[00:46] <holstein> rdunn19d: correct. they never promised you clean audio recording
[00:47] <holstein> rdunn19d: the device is not for that.. its for skype, friend.. its not an audio recording interface.. it will *always* have limiataions
[00:47] <holstein> rdunn19d: *no* studio uses those.. they are not for that.. they ship on the device
[00:47] <holstein> rdunn19d: this is google searchable, and you can, and should research it.. i assure you, im not trying to sell you anything
[00:48] <holstein> *anyone* will tell you  that getting the audio outside the box is a good idea for removing the sounds you are talking about wanting to remove
[00:48] <rdunn19d> Not to worry; last thing I was worried about. :)
[00:48] <holstein> rdunn19d: you will not "fix' that in software
[00:48] <holstein> you cannot, for example, install something that makes the internal audio device record 'better'
[00:49] <holstein> its not meant for it
[00:49] <holstein> the device i linked, http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx is like 30 bucks, and  works with linux and any other OS afaik. you can line into it from your existing board
[00:52] <Boscop> i want to install ubuntu studio over my existing ubuntu installation without screwing up grub. should i just select NO at the end when it asks "install grub?" will grub find the new OS?
[00:52] <rdunn19d> Should I be able to find something like that at a "modern" music shop? Say, http://www.guitarcenter.com/ maybe?
[00:52] <holstein> Boscop: depends on what you have,and what you want to end up with.. but, you can always easily reinstall grub from a live iso with boot repair
[00:53] <Boscop> holstein: last time it wasn't so easy. windows didn't boot anymore
[00:53] <Boscop> i have ubuntu and windows on my ssd but the bootloader is on the other hdd
[00:53] <holstein> Boscop: if you have, say, 3 ubuntu's, or linux's.. and blow one out, and go into one of the others, and and run "sudo update-grub" it'll "see" the other intalls
[00:53] <Boscop> holstein: i want to overwrite it
[00:53] <holstein> Boscop: sure, thats the special cases you'll want to research
[00:54] <holstein> Boscop: what would i do? ask in #ubuntu, since its not related to studio at all, and see if someone else has that scenario..
[00:54] <Boscop> holstein: will ubuntu studio 15.04 also be released on april 23rd?
[00:54] <holstein> Boscop: *all* the ubuntu's release relatively at the same time
[00:54] <Boscop> is it possible to control jack plugin parameters using D-Bus?
[00:55] <holstein> Boscop: what jack plugin?
[00:55] <Boscop> any
[00:55] <Boscop> like calf plugins
[00:55] <holstein> i would probably ask that in #ardour
[00:56] <Boscop> do i have to use ardour for that?
[00:56] <holstein> and/or #opensourcemusicians
[00:56] <holstein> Boscop: i didnt say, or imply that.. im just suggesting, the folks in #aroudor would likely have that information
[00:56] <Boscop> ah thanks. i didn't know that channel
[00:57] <holstein> Boscop: no one here will know that, and upstream wont.. so, you can email the calf plugin team directly, or poke around a bit
[00:57] <holstein> rdunn19d: you can find many audio recording interfaces as guitar center..
[00:57] <holstein> at*
[00:59] <rdunn19d> Ok, so I should go ask them if they have that or something like it. I can do that. I do have to re-record some of what the musician did. It would be nice to do it and not have that aweful noise.
[00:59] <holstein> rdunn19d: personally, i dont ask them at guitarcenter much
[00:59] <holstein> rdunn19d: i research, obsessively, on my own, prior to going, and i know what i want
[01:00] <holstein> i would get a cheap-o usb interface with a mic preamp.. something maudio, etc..
[01:00] <holstein> depends on what you have, and what you want, and your budget
[01:01] <rdunn19d> Ah. I should treat what I'm doing with audio the same way I would if I was, say building a new PC.
[01:01] <holstein> with anything, really
[01:01] <holstein> buying a car
[01:01] <holstein> an instrument
[01:01] <holstein> selecting a school.. a job
[01:02] <holstein> its the same... 'whats the best car i can get?', for example.. its met with additional questions
[01:02] <holstein> there is no "best" car..
[01:02] <rdunn19d> Oh, don't get me started on that. If it has 4 wheels and runs, it's my kind of car.
[01:03] <holstein> sure.. but, this analogy would carry on, if you were trying to race a car like that
[01:03] <holstein> its not a race car ;)
[01:03] <holstein> anyways.. i suggest you decide how many mic preamps you need/want, and if you want to use the peavey mixer, or not.. and how many mics/lines you need at once
[01:03] <holstein> then, you can make sure it supports linux, and make the purchase
[01:04] <rdunn19d> Yes, I see that.
[01:09] <rdunn19d> Ok, I have a lot to think about, and most thinking might have to wait for later; production is this coming weekend. I'll just have to make due the best I can with what I have, and do more research for future productions. I have to do the same with the lighting equipment they have. Nobody there knows how to use any of the equipment "well"; they know just enough to make it work for some stuff.
[01:09] <holstein> yup
[01:09] <holstein> and, you  dont have to spend a lot of money to get good results
[01:09] <holstein> i have aquired free hardware that would do what you need
[01:10] <holstein> usb audio devices..
[01:10] <holstein> put the word out, and ask for something
[01:10] <rdunn19d> To whom am I putting out the word?
[01:11] <holstein> ?
[01:11] <holstein> friend, i dont know where you are,but, im sure there are other parents involved?
[01:11] <holstein> groups around that could donate? etc..
[01:12] <holstein> put the word out to whomever will get you what you need..
[01:14] <rdunn19d> Oh, sorry. I just realized that you were serious, lol. There are no other parents willing to do anything for the theater program. They all think it's a complete waste of time.  Asling for "help" is weakness.
[01:15] <rdunn19d> *Asking
[01:17] <rdunn19d> I can't count the number of times I've heard the phrase, "If you can't do it yourself, maybe you shouldn't be doing it."  And "art" in school? They consider it a complete waste of time. I'm not even in "The South".
[01:19] <rdunn19d> But, truly, I am very grateful that you took the time to help me out. I can't thank you enough. :)
[01:20] <holstein> sure
[01:20] <holstein> you just need to keep moving
[01:21] <holstein> im *sure* you can get someone to give you an interface, or money for one.. you'll just have to look around
[01:21] <holstein> or, use what you have, and not worry about it
[01:21] <holstein> just dont expect magic when using improper tools
[01:22] <rdunn19d> Understood, and thank you, again.
[01:22] <holstein> cheers and good luck!
[01:22] <Boscop> why do you think he wrote this? "Ubuntu Studio:A studio to reach a wide audience but lacks in current packages and doesn't provide much with it. In my opinion it's obsolete. A few years ago it was a blessing, but with the work on AV Linux, KXStudio, and the like I wouldn't waste your time." http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7776#p24436
[01:22] <Boscop> that was in 2012
[01:24] <holstein> Boscop: its an opinion piece.. anyone can say anything
[01:24] <Boscop> holstein: but did something change since 2012?
[01:24] <holstein> if they find it obsolete for their needs, then, thats why they would write that
[01:24] <holstein> Boscop: sure
[01:24] <Boscop> i mean regarding his criticisms
[01:24] <holstein> but,, it wasnt "obsolete" in 2012.. so, you'll have to ask the writer
[01:25] <holstein> "current packages".. *all* of ubuntu doesnt provide current packages
[01:25] <holstein> its not a rolling release
[01:25] <holstein> thats by design..
[01:26] <holstein> falk, the creator of kxstudio, would roll his own versions in ppa's for ubuntu/kxstudio to get more recent versions
[01:26] <holstein> avlinux is intended as an appliance, and actually has older versions
[01:26] <holstein> not that that matters..
[01:27] <holstein> you dont need the latest and greatest packages to do audio production.. if there is something one needs, for example, in ardour, then, one can get that package, no problem
[01:27] <holstein> nothing about ubuntu is preventing that.. but, its not a rolling release
[01:32] <Boscop> hm
[01:33] <Boscop> i have to choose between staying with normal ubuntu, ubuntu studio, kxstudio and avlinux. my use case is, i want to make music in real-time (using jack and carla plugin host and the lowlatency kernel)
[01:33] <holstein> why?
[01:33] <Boscop> why what?
[01:33] <holstein> well, let me break down all of those, quickly
[01:34] <holstein> ubuntu *is* ubuntustudio.. so that'll help there
[01:34] <holstein> you dont have to choose between them.. if you want ubuntu, and need the studio packages, they are there.. in the main repos.. its all ubuntu
[01:34] <holstein> kxstudio provides a ppa..
[01:34] <holstein> !ppa
[01:35] <holstein> you can add ppa's to ubuntu, and end up with falks kxstudio packages.. and as long as you understand where the burden of support is, you dont have to decide betweent hem
[01:35] <holstein> them*
[01:35] <Boscop> holstein: but will it be as fast?
[01:35] <holstein> you can use them together
[01:35] <holstein> Boscop: as fast? as fast as what?
[01:35] <holstein> software wont make your machine any "faster".. it can make better use of resources, and make it run "better".. arguably..
[01:36] <Boscop> should i compile the kernel by myself?
[01:36] <holstein> do you need a custom kernel?
[01:36] <holstein> i know, i dont
[01:36] <Boscop> dunno
[01:36] <holstein> i trust the ones that come in better than what i can make
[01:36] <Boscop> maybe it'll be faster?
[01:36] <holstein> Boscop: try it and see
[01:37] <holstein> Boscop: im quite confident, you can waste/spend a lot of time getting a seemingly faster experience.. but at what cost? and does it make your art better?
[01:37] <holstein> thats what ubuntustudio and kxstudio, and avlinux are about
[01:37] <holstein> out of the box audio production
[01:37] <holstein> no configuring.. less hassle..
[01:37] <holstein> you really shouldnt need  a custom kernel, for anything.. but, you are free and able to try it
[01:38] <holstein> if one wants, they can install lubuntu..
[01:38] <holstein> !lubuntu
[01:38] <Boscop> holstein: will lubuntu be faster?
[01:38] <holstein> nice and light lxde, and add the studio packages
[01:38] <holstein> Boscop: again, *nothing* in software makes your hardware "faster"
[01:38] <holstein> Boscop: lxde can, arguably, make better use of resources, thats all
[01:39] <holstein> anyways.. that gets back to avlinux..
[01:39] <holstein> the reason i use avlinux on my production rig is because it fits my needs best
[01:39] <holstein> its an appliance.. i dont update it.. its not online.. i dont expect it to be patched, or updated
[01:39] <holstein> i dont want that
[01:39] <holstein> its an isolated audio production work station
[01:40] <Boscop> for me i'm using my laptop which is also my main work computer for programming etc
[01:40] <holstein> when i want a more "cross-over" environment, like on a laptop that i want to do audio production and other normal web browsing, ect, i use ubuntustudio and/or kxstudio
[01:41] <holstein> if i want the latest and greatest, i try one of the arch derivitives.. since, it *is* a rolling release
[01:41] <holstein> typyically, simply identifying needs will help with the desicion
[01:42] <Boscop> but right now on my ubuntu install, jack doesn't start and my headphone jack is not recognized
[01:42] <holstein> cool
[01:42] <holstein> ask a question if you'd like
[01:42] <holstein> "jack doest start" is a statement.. not much to do about that
[01:42] <holstein> what do i do? i use the live iso, and i seee that my hardware isnt broken
[01:43] <holstein> i'll test the hardware in, a known good live iso, or officially supported os
[01:43] <Boscop> Could not connect to JACK server as client.- Overall operation failed.- Unable to connect to server.
[01:43] <holstein> i'll use qjackctl
[01:43] <Boscop> i'm using that
[01:43] <holstein> i'll open it, even as root temporarily
[01:43] <holstein> if it starts as root, then, i know its permissions
[01:43] <Boscop> http://pastebin.com/hcN0wNiP
[01:44] <holstein> if i cant get the headphone jack to work, i'll check other settings in alsamixer
[01:44] <Boscop> it doesn't show up in alsamixer
[01:44] <holstein> Boscop: you cant trust any labels
[01:44] <holstein> Boscop: you are not promise linux/alsa support, so you dont trust any labels
[01:45] <Boscop> what do you mean?
[01:45] <Boscop> i tried editing my alsa conf file, it still doesn't work
[01:45] <holstein> Boscop: i mean, the creators of the hardware didnt say "have a great time with this hardware in linux/alsa with full support of labels for sockets"..
[01:45] <holstein> Boscop: you'll want to undo that alsa.conf edit
[01:45] <holstein> that can break things
[01:45] <Boscop> https://askubuntu.com/questions/132440/headphone-jack-not-working
[01:46] <holstein> Boscop: what would i do? again, i would use a live iso
[01:46] <Boscop> holstein: my headphone jack was working fine on this ubuntu install before
[01:46] <holstein> Boscop: before what?
[01:46] <Boscop> so it's not the hardware
[01:46] <holstein> Boscop: all i do is encourage you to test the hardware..
[01:46] <Boscop> months ago, i don't remember what changed
[01:46] <holstein> Boscop: i didnt say its the hardware.. im saying, you should isolate and make sure it snot the hardware
[01:47] <Boscop> it also works on windows. so it's not the hardware
[01:47] <holstein> Boscop: please, load a live iso, and see that jack starts.. then, you can either work back and undo what you have broken, or fresh install
[01:47] <Boscop> i tried this fix: https://askubuntu.com/questions/132440/headphone-jack-not-working
[01:48] <holstein> Boscop: i understand that, friend.. but, unless its the *same* hardware you have, its not likely going to work
[01:48] <holstein> Boscop: please try starting jack as root
[01:48] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[01:48] <holstein> see that the device is set to default.. and try starting
[01:48] <holstein> if it starts as root, then you have a permissions error
[01:50] <Boscop> right now the lowlatency kernel is installing, so i have to wait until i can install gksu. but after that i will try that
[01:51] <Boscop> holstein: a lot of people seem to have problems with the hda intel driver for ubuntu, headphone jacks not working etc. If i undo the change, what else should i do?
[01:51] <holstein> Boscop: you'll seperate this out
[01:52] <holstein> Boscop: you are dealing with 2 things at once, and thats not contructive
[01:52] <holstein> get jack working, *then* move on to the headphone issue
[01:52] <Boscop> ok
[01:52] <holstein> what do i suggest? get a cheap/small usb interface that is appropriate for audio production
[01:52] <holstein> dont use the internal audio device for audio production
[01:52] <Boscop> why not?
[01:53] <holstein> its not intended for it, for one thing
[01:53] <holstein> the above mentioned issue you are having with jack and the headphone jack, for 2
[01:53] <holstein> its is *so* cheap to get one of these usb devices, and it improves the quality of the path into the machine.. so, why not?
[01:54] <Boscop> i have this one, is it ok? http://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x-fi-go-pro
[01:54] <holstein> like i said earlier, im not selling these.. i literally dont care.. but, it'll do you good to stop using internal audio devices created for listening to music, and doing skype calls for audio production
[01:55] <holstein> Boscop: did that one say, its intended for audio production? the creative sound blaster i used to have didnt promise that
[01:55] <Boscop> but what is the difference really?
[01:55] <holstein> Boscop: its not in the box, for one thing
[01:55] <Boscop> they just convert it to analog
[01:55] <holstein> Boscop: sure
[01:55] <holstein> Boscop: they convert analog to digital, and digital to analog
[01:56] <holstein> Boscop: its the analog connectors, and the clock.. etc
[01:56] <holstein> Boscop: again, i literally dont care, friend.. use what you wanht
[01:56] <holstein> Boscop: this is a google search able fact.. internal audio devices are not intended for audio production
[01:56] <Boscop> yeah for now i will use the onboard, later maybe buy a better one
[01:56] <holstein> a simple $60 usb device would make your life so much easier.. and work with jack
[01:57] <Boscop> holstein: not intended? but doesn't mean they can't be used
[01:57] <holstein> Boscop: its not a "better" one.. its a more appropriate one
[01:57] <holstein> Boscop: sure. thats just like saying, you can use a desktop machine for a server
[01:57] <holstein> Boscop: you can stack them right on a shelf, and power them on.. no problem.. but, its not what they are intended for
[01:58] <Boscop> yeah, but i want to have a minimal setup for traveling etc
[01:58] <holstein> Boscop: again, do what you want, friend. im not selling you a sound card.. just inviting you to a place where you have better audio into your machine, and your headphone jack works.. etc
[01:58] <holstein> Boscop: i travel
[01:58] <holstein> its always a compromise
[01:58] <holstein> if the internal was working and meeting your needs, you wouldnt be here..
[01:58] <holstein> youd be using jack, and making music..
[01:59] <Boscop> holstein: i think it's just a configuration problem
[01:59] <holstein> Boscop: sure
[01:59] <Boscop> pulseaudio getting in the way or something
[01:59] <holstein> not in the way here..
[01:59] <Boscop> holstein: do you run jack and pulseaudio in parallel?
[02:00] <holstein> Boscop: if i want/need them both, i do
[02:00] <Boscop> with dbus disabled?
[02:04] <Boscop> holstein: btw, how can i find out the native samplerate of my sound card so that i can set it in jack config?
[02:05] <holstein> Boscop: i refer to the documentation
[02:05] <holstein> but, when troubleshooting, i'll run qjackctl as root, and tick boxes and set settings til i get jack working.. then, i'll address permissions issues to get it running as normal user
[02:07] <Boscop> holstein: if i use the usb soundcard and get the headphone jack working, i will have a total of 3 audio output jacks and 2 input jacks. i can use all of them at the same time with jack, right?
[02:07] <holstein> Boscop: nothing about jack/linux will limit/prevent the manufacturer from providing that functionality to you
[02:08] <holstein> since they didnt promise they would, you may have compromises
[02:08] <holstein> like, all outputs working through one "buss".. and its only a stereo card, so, you'll only have 2 channels in.. one stereo input
[02:09] <holstein> not sure how it will present its self to alsa or jack.. you'll just have to experiment, and see what happens
[02:12] <Boscop> holstein: i mean i have two audio output jacks on the laptop already (speaker and headphone) and a mic input, and with the usb sound card i get one more output and input jack. so can i use jack to route audio from/to all of them?
[02:13] <holstein> you could.. but its not a good idea
[02:13] <Boscop> why not?
[02:13] <holstein> you'd want to just get one nice device that has all the capabilities you want
[02:13] <holstein> all the ins and outs you need, in one stand alone deal
[02:14] <holstein> http://manual.ardour.org/setting-up-your-system/using_more_than_one_audio_device/
[02:14] <Boscop> thanks
[02:14] <Boscop> yes, i will buy an external audio interface later
[02:14] <Boscop> when i earned some money with my music
[14:05] <jarnos> How do you make switch user work. I have selected Switch User in Action buttons for panel, but is grayed out anyway. I even installed xfswitch-plugin plugin, and added it to panel, but I get error: Failed to execute child process "gdmflexiserver" (No such file or directory)
[14:46] <holstein> jarnos: in ubuntustudio 14.10?
[14:47] <holstein> anyways, this is likely relevant, regardless of version http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218401
[15:00] <jarnos> holstein, 14.04
[15:03] <xam090> Hi
[15:04] <holstein> o/
[15:47]  * jarnos having 4 guest sessions running and don't know how to log them out.
[16:29] <holstein> jarnos: you can always just reboot, and dont start them, and leave them logged in
[16:30] <holstein> jarnos: should be a way to sudo log them out..
[16:49] <jarnos> holstein, yes, I tried to switch to an already running guest session by `dm-tool switch-to-guest [SESSION]`
[16:49] <holstein> i wouldnt expect to switch to them
[16:49] <holstein> they are supposed to be one-time use..
[16:49] <holstein> if you want to switch to them, you'll want a standard user account
[16:50] <jarnos> holstein, but the command looks like it should do it.
[16:50] <holstein> the session isnt intended to be re-joined
[16:51] <holstein> the command will likely allow you to switch to an already running normal account
[16:51] <holstein> but, the guest account is not a normal user account
[16:51] <jarnos> holstein, there is another command for that : dm-tool switch-to-user USERNAME [SESSION]
[16:52] <holstein> sure.. i just dont exapxct you can switch into the guest session
[16:52] <holstein> you should just kill them, and dont leave them running
[16:52] <holstein> if you want to leave the session running, you'll want a normal user account
[16:54] <jarnos> holstein, well, it depends.
[16:55] <holstein> not really
[16:55] <holstein> the guest account is meant for guest use.. you run it, and when its terminated, it doent save anything
[16:55] <holstein> its not meant to be used as a normal user account
[16:57] <jarnos> holstein, yes, it does not save anything after you log out of it.
[16:57] <holstein> correct.. its not meant to be left running as you are trying to do
[16:58] <holstein> its not meant to be used from the command-line, either.. its more about letting someone borrow your machine, and not leavning a foot print on it
[16:58] <holstein> what i read makes me think you would be more comfortable with a normal user account setup as you need, with permissions you prefer
[17:00] <jarnos> holstein, well, I was not trying to leave it running in background.
[17:01] <holstein> if you switch away from it, for any reason, i say, its not the intended reason to use it
[18:26] <jarnos> holstein, the `dm-tool switch-to-guest [SESSION]` works, if the session was started, when no light-locker was in use. I wanted to use the command to properly log out the session.
[19:00] <holstein> jarnos: should be able to use #ubuntu for that
[21:11] <ubuntu-studio> zequence, It seems my mouse does work, but the pointer is invisible.
[21:13] <Len-1504> 32bit will not even give me a boot screen so I am on 64bit ISO (live session)
[21:14] <Len-1504> Good thing this is not an LTS.
[21:15] <Len-1504> zequence, anyway, I tried changing the mouse theme in settings and that did not help either.
[21:18] <Len-1504> The default theme shows no preview at all. The rest do but the mouse cursor does not appear.
[21:20] <Len-1504> I have tried using a stock PS2 mouse, a USB mouse, and the USB mouse through a USB to PS2 adaptor. I can see various things highlight when I move the mouse and clicking works fine.
[21:36] <Len-1504> bug 1446388


[07:21] <TheLordOfTime> when's the next IRCC meeting?
[07:59] <AlanBell> 25th
[15:46] <IdleOne> k1l_: why was Megalas banned?
[15:47] <k1l_> IdleOne: he was trolling all the time he joined and picking on other users
[15:47] <IdleOne> picking on in what manner?
[15:47] <k1l_> like pretending to have an ubuntu installed. than asked questions of how to install ubuntu.
[15:48] <k1l_> telling them to shut up.
[15:48] <IdleOne> I see. thank you.
[15:48] <k1l_> and talked about that all the supporters have no clue and he is the one who knows everything. then joining next day asking who to install a programm from the repos etc.
[15:49] <IdleOne> so, bad attitude, wasting time...
[15:50] <k1l_> yep. and ban evading every day since then. he annoys the freenode staff too :/
[17:17] <kaziweb> AlanBell, hi, I've found two times welcome msg lost from #ubuntu-qa. wt should I do for permanent solution?
[17:27] <kaziweb>  hi, I've found two times welcome msg lost from #ubuntu-qa. wt should I do for permanent solution?
[17:51] <Pici> kaziweb: set guard on the channel so that you don't lose your settings if it empties
[17:52] <Pici> /msg chanserv help set guard
[17:52] <kaziweb> Pici, ok thanks
[17:56] <viperhoot> Pici: but, how we can have chanserv on #ubuntu-qa channel ?
[17:56] <Pici> viperhoot: the guard option tells chanserv to stay there.
[17:58] <viperhoot> still missing
[18:01] <kaziweb> Pici, for op status do need to do this -- /   msg chanserv op <#channel>   Always?
[18:02] <kaziweb> Pici, how I set my op status permanently?
[18:02] <Pici> We don't reccommend doing that.
[18:03] <m4v> you ask op when you need it, you don't need to stay opped all the time.
[18:08] <kaziweb> Ok.


[03:45] <jbicha> mimico: I'm thinking about stubbing the booklet pages from Ubuntu's help for this release
[03:46] <jbicha> because LO doesn't need it
[03:49] <mimico> jbicha, you mean take them out completely?
[03:50] <mimico> I think they mainly pertain to Evince anyways.
[03:51] <Captainkrtek> hello
[03:52] <jbicha> mimico: basically, maybe they could be cleaned up for a later release
[03:53] <Captainkrtek> interested in getting involved with the doc. team
[03:53] <Captainkrtek> reading up on it
[03:55] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: have you used bzr before?
[03:55] <mimico> jbicha, it was written initially with only Evince in mind, so taking it out is okay by me.
[03:56] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, I'm afraid I have not
[03:56] <jbicha> mimico: ok, thank you
[03:56] <Captainkrtek> but I have experience in MediaWiki, technical writing, and open source documentation and development
[03:56] <Captainkrtek> mostly for Android
[03:59] <jbicha> unfortunately we don't use MediaWiki
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> but I have the writing experience
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> I have also written for a portal with over 3-4 Million views a month
[03:59] <jbicha> there's 2 parts to docs, the wiki & the user help
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> on technical topics
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:59] <Captainkrtek> I'd be interested more in the wiki
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> spent lots of time in wikis
[04:01] <Captainkrtek> what about the documentation onboard the OS?
[04:01] <Captainkrtek> or do you have to first prove yourself
[04:02] <jbicha> no, for the system docs, you'll just need to learn bzr :-)
[04:03] <Captainkrtek> ive used GIT before
[04:03] <Captainkrtek> and gerrit
[04:03] <jbicha> and the docs are written in mallard (older docs are written in docbook)
[04:03] <Captainkrtek> so i've used revision control before
[04:03] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[04:03] <Captainkrtek> lots to learn :-)
[04:04] <jbicha> yeah, bzr is similar to git but different
[04:04] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/GettingSetUp
[04:05] <jbicha> you need a GPG key and do the stuff in setting up your dev environment
[04:05] <Captainkrtek> trying to setup my key right now
[04:06] <Captainkrtek> is it a huge learning curve from GIT?
[04:09] <jbicha> I've used bzr more so I couldn't tell you
[04:09] <jbicha> I think newer bzr users don't like git because it's more complex, git users don't like bzr
[04:09] <jbicha> because it's slower & doesn't do everything git can
[04:10] <Captainkrtek> hmm
[04:10] <Captainkrtek> ill have to check it out
[04:10] <Captainkrtek> I'd love to give back through this community :)
[04:13] <Captainkrtek> generating the key
[04:13] <Captainkrtek> this is taking a bit :P
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> so what do you work on jbicha ?
[04:20] <jbicha> I've been getting the user guide into shape for Natty, basically changing the Gnome 3
[04:20] <jbicha> stuff to describe Unity instead
[04:20] <Captainkrtek> cool :-)
[04:20] <Captainkrtek> I have not upgraded to natty yet
[04:21] <Captainkrtek> probably should do that
[04:32] <Captainkrtek> k gpg and ssh keys setup
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, K I went through that whole guide
[04:40] <jbicha> ok, the pbuilder part isn't needed for documentation
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> oh okay
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> still did it hehe
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> so where can I get started?
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> looking at some pages...
[04:41] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/gnome-user-docs/natty
[04:41] <jbicha> oops, that's not it
[04:42] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[04:42] <Captainkrtek> my launchpad id is steven.richards btw
[04:42] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty
[04:43] <jbicha> so as you can see on that page, you'll need to run
[04:43] <jbicha> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/natty
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> running :)
[04:43] <jbicha> let me know when it's done downloading
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> okay!
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> thanks for getting me set up I appreciate it :)
[04:52] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, it's done
[04:53] <jbicha> ok, conveniently the help doesn't require compilation to be viewed
[04:53] <Captainkrtek> k
[04:53] <jbicha> so you can just cd into gnome-help/C/
[04:53] <jbicha> and then run yelp .
[04:53] <jbicha> to view the help as of right now
[04:54] <Captainkrtek> very cool
[04:55] <jbicha> but it won't look quite right if you're not using yelp 3 which is in natty
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> m running 10.10
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> im*
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> so go through the files
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> edit them
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> save em
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> how would I submit the change using bzr?
[04:56] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Submitting
[04:56] <jbicha> either bzr bundle and email the mailing list
[04:56] <Captainkrtek> and then for
[04:56] <Captainkrtek> bzr push lp:~yourusername/ubuntu-docs/branchname
[04:56] <Captainkrtek> Id to
[04:57] <Captainkrtek> bzr push lp:~krtek/natty/gnome-help/C
[04:57] <Captainkrtek> s/to/do
[04:58] <jbicha> I do it more like bzr push lp:~jbicha/gnome-user-docs/display-typos
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> oh
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> what's the difference?
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> if im working in /C
[05:00] <jbicha> because the final part is your branch name and you can pick whatever you like
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> ahh
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> so no difference really
[05:00] <jbicha> might as well make it easy to recognize what that branch does
[05:01] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[05:01] <Captainkrtek> and then the files tagged .stub
[05:01] <Captainkrtek> arent done yet
[05:01] <jbicha> right, so not visible to users, but you can do yelp --editor-mode .
[05:02] <jbicha> if you really want to see them or read comments
[05:02] <Captainkrtek> Unknown option --editor-mode
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> that only in yelp 3?
[05:03] <jbicha> I guess, you can check yelp --help
[05:04] <jbicha> it doesn't actually edit, it just shows some extra stuff
[05:09] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha sorry about that
[05:09] <Captainkrtek> wifi cut out
[05:09] <jbicha> np
[05:09] <Captainkrtek> what editor do you use
[05:11] <jbicha> gedit actually
[05:11] <Captainkrtek> me too :)
[05:12] <Captainkrtek> and what is the syntax called we are writing in?
[05:12] <Captainkrtek> need to find a guide
[05:12] <jbicha> http://projectmallard.org/
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> bookmarked
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> time to get to work
[05:13] <Captainkrtek> thanks again for the help!
[05:20] <jbicha> I pushed an update, so you can do bzr pull to get the latest
[05:20] <Captainkrtek> very cool, updating now :)
[05:20] <Captainkrtek> Im going to try to make a change
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> quick question if you don't mind
[06:42] <Captainkrtek> hello mimico
[06:43] <Captainkrtek> do you have a minute to help answer a question?
[06:46] <Captainkrtek> or anyone
[06:47] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, you still around?
[06:47] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: yes, for a bit longer
[06:47] <Captainkrtek> okay great
[06:47] <Captainkrtek> so I just edited display-2monitors.page.stub
[06:48] <Captainkrtek> ran the check_validation.sh
[06:48] <jbicha> ./check_status.sh is useful
[06:48] <Captainkrtek> said it validates
[06:48] <Captainkrtek> no return on check_status
[06:48] <Captainkrtek> I can't yelp display-2monitors.page.stub either.
[06:49] <Captainkrtek> any idea?
[06:50] <jbicha> bzr mv display-2monitors.page.stub display-2monitors.page
[06:50] <jbicha> and then yelp . will show it
[06:51] <Captainkrtek> he requested URI "display-2monitors.page" is invalid
[06:51] <Captainkrtek> The*
[06:51] <jbicha> um, are you sure it validates then?
[06:52] <Captainkrtek> krtek@krtek:~/natty/gnome-help/C$ ./check_validation.sh display-2monitors.page
[06:52] <Captainkrtek>  --Validating display-2monitors.page ...
[06:52] <Captainkrtek> display-2monitors.page validates
[06:52] <Captainkrtek> :/
[06:52] <jbicha> just do yelp . don't try specifying the specific page
[06:53] <Captainkrtek> then search for it?
[06:53] <jbicha> yes, there's a trick to do a specific page in yelp 2.32 but I'd have to google it
[06:53] <jbicha> everything I own is running Natty at the moment
[06:53] <Captainkrtek> hmm
[06:54] <Captainkrtek> can I pastebin the file?
[06:54] <Captainkrtek> see if it looks right to you?
[06:54] <jbicha> did you get it to open yet?
[06:54] <Captainkrtek> nope :/
[06:54] <Captainkrtek> http://pastebin.com/M9FpmjD6
[06:54] <Captainkrtek> couldn't find it
[06:54] <Captainkrtek> oh wait
[06:55] <Captainkrtek> hmmm
[06:55] <Captainkrtek> can't find it...
[06:56] <Captainkrtek> oh
[06:56] <Captainkrtek> found it :)
[06:57] <jbicha> good
[06:57] <Captainkrtek> wasn't easy
[06:57] <Captainkrtek> is there a way to submit an update but not a final one?
[06:57] <Captainkrtek> like I will make changes to this one
[06:57] <jbicha> it would be better to get it mostly final before submitting
[06:57] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[06:57] <Captainkrtek> did the pastebin look okay?
[06:58] <Captainkrtek> need to read the style guide...
[06:58] <jbicha> well it needs more work, you'd probably find it easier to read or edit existing pages instead of creating a stub
[06:58] <Captainkrtek> okay
[06:59] <Captainkrtek> I just found that one
[06:59] <Captainkrtek> that was an existing stub
[06:59] <jbicha> you picked an important topic but it's ok if it doesn't get done in time for 11.04
[06:59] <Captainkrtek> I can get it done tomorrow hopefully
[06:59] <jbicha> yes, the stub is from Gnome
[06:59] <Captainkrtek> how long will it take to get approved?
[07:00] <jbicha> review shouldn't take more than a couple days at most, maybe much faster
[07:00] <jbicha> approval depends on quality :-)
[07:01] <Captainkrtek> okay
[07:01] <Captainkrtek> any tips for me
[07:01] <jbicha> we appreciate the help
[07:01] <Captainkrtek> based on that pastebin?
[07:01] <jbicha> don't use tabs, use spaces
[07:02] <jbicha> spellcheck, compare to already existing pages for tricks like guiseq
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> okay
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> so like download an old branch?
[07:02] <jbicha> no, compare to other pages in the guide
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> what about detail? is that long enough
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> okay
[07:02] <jbicha> to learn how to use the syntax
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> is there a way to include images?
[07:02] <Captainkrtek> like screenshots
[07:03] <jbicha> yes, but space is limited so I'm not sure if we actually need one
[07:03] <Captainkrtek> okay
[07:03] <jbicha> the gnome-user-guide is shipped on the CD
[07:03] <Captainkrtek> ahh
[07:03] <Captainkrtek> wow
[07:03] <Captainkrtek> :)
[07:04] <Captainkrtek> maybe I can get something on there before release :)
[07:04] <jbicha> 11.04's CD is basically done though
[07:04] <Captainkrtek> oh
[07:04] <jbicha> no, they'll only rebuild the CD image for urgent bugfixes
[07:04] <Captainkrtek> darn
[07:04] <Captainkrtek> but there are updates
[07:05] <jbicha> yes
[07:05] <Captainkrtek> :)
[07:05] <Captainkrtek> very cool
[07:06] <jbicha> yes, it's neat to see your name in the changelog
[07:07] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[07:07] <Captainkrtek> it's a cool project
[07:07] <Captainkrtek> how long have you been doing this?
[07:08] <Captainkrtek> also, is this, http://pastebin.com/4Z9XgnaR , what should be in the guide?
[07:09] <jbicha> about 3 weeks for the user guide, I had a bunch of free time
[07:11] <jbicha> comments aren't visible to end users, it was just notes from Gnome about what they thought should be on the page
[07:12] <jbicha> a significant amount of Gnome's guide was only written in March
[07:12] <jbicha> http://j1m.net/2011/03/19/gnome-3-documentation-hackfest/
[07:14] <jbicha> but I was interested in Gnome help for a year, I should have jumped in sooner
[07:18] <Captainkrtek> hey
[07:18] <Captainkrtek> sorry had to reconnect
[07:19] <jbicha> but I was interested in Gnome help for a year, I should have jumped in sooner
[07:19] <Captainkrtek> cool
[07:19] <Captainkrtek> I have a friend who does some gnome work
[07:19] <Captainkrtek> think he does design
[07:19] <jbicha> it's a bit easier to write & edit the new help once more of it is written
[07:19] <jbicha> back then, Mallard was quite new
[07:19] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[07:20] <Captainkrtek> how do you edit the sub title text on yelp for an item?
[07:20] <Captainkrtek> like this
[07:20] <Captainkrtek> http://i.imgur.com/ax6Qu.png
[07:21] <Captainkrtek> see there is no text below second monitor
[07:21] <jbicha> that's the desc field
[07:22] <Captainkrtek> got it :)
[07:22] <Captainkrtek> thanks
[07:27] <Captainkrtek> shouldn't dual displays go under hardware?
[07:27] <Captainkrtek> oh nvm
[07:29] <Captainkrtek> if you're still here just have one final thing
[07:30] <jbicha> ok
[07:30] <Captainkrtek> the comment section
[07:31] <Captainkrtek> is that a request, like "please include details on blah blah blah"
[07:34] <jbicha> if you're able to include the important stuff then you don't need to write comments
[07:34] <Captainkrtek> k
[07:34] <Captainkrtek> might  be able to get this one close to done tonight
[07:34] <jbicha> it is a note to other writers and editors
[07:34] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[07:44] <Captainkrtek> Think I have this one done :)
[07:46] <jbicha> I'm done for tonight, talk to you later!
[07:46] <Captainkrtek> okay me as well, goodnight!
[08:13] <Captainkrtek> hey dpm
[08:17] <dpm> well, that was a short conversation
[22:37] <jbicha> mdke: howdy
[22:37] <mdke> jbicha: heya
[22:38] <jbicha> I thought it would simpler to link to an app than telling users to search for one or
[22:39] <mdke> I think the instructions should be app independent really
[22:39] <jbicha> telling them to click through Get Software, down arrow, Canonical Partners
[22:39] <mdke> ideally there would be a check box in software sources for the partner repo, as there was in previous releases, but I didn't see one when I tested so I used the apt line
[22:40] <jbicha> oh, there's a check box
[22:40] <mdke> perhaps it was added after the version I have got
[22:40] <mdke> I'm a week or two out of date
[22:41] <jbicha> it could be because you've been upgrading for a while
[22:42] <mdke> I haven't upgraded at all, I have a daily live usb from the daily snapshot a week or two ago
[22:42] <mdke> but I haven't kept it up to date as that takes up a lot of disk space
[22:42] <jbicha> interestingly, if you delete the "Canonical Partners" repo from Software Sources, the "Use This Source" button can add it back for you
[22:43]  * mdke nods
[22:43] <mdke> jbicha: to change the subject briefly, have you by any chance gone over the topics which you reviewed prior to getting commit access and marked them as final? If not that would be useful.
[22:43] <mdke> You've made amazing progress over the last few days
[22:44] <mdke> == SUMMARY ==
[22:44] <mdke> None: 		 0
[22:44] <mdke> Stub: 		 6
[22:44] <mdke> Incomplete: 	 1
[22:44] <mdke> Draft: 		 3
[22:44] <mdke> Review: 	 23
[22:44] <mdke> Candidate: 	 10
[22:44] <mdke> Final: 		 92
[22:44] <mdke> Outdated: 	 92
[22:44] <mdke> pretty awesome :)
[22:44] <mdke> bbl
[23:44] <Captainkrtek> hello
[23:44] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, you here?
[23:44] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: hi
[23:44] <Captainkrtek> hello
[23:45] <Captainkrtek> so last night I finished a doc
[23:45] <Captainkrtek> committed locally
[23:45] <Captainkrtek> and emailed the mailing list
[23:45] <Captainkrtek> but I dont think anyone has seen it
[23:46] <jbicha> no, we saw it
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> oh okay :)
[23:46] <jbicha> you should upgrade to 11.04
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> I was going to last night
[23:47] <Captainkrtek> I will in about 20 minutes, is it good though?
[23:47] <jbicha> the user guide is written based on the Unity desktop, so System>Preferences>Monitors isn't how we do it now
[23:47] <Captainkrtek> oh....
[23:47] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> so I'll rewrite it
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> once I upgrade
[23:49] <Captainkrtek> other than that issue, how is it style wise? I tried using some syntax from the mallard docs
[23:52] <jbicha> use status="review" instead of making up a status
[23:53] <Captainkrtek> oh
[23:53] <Captainkrtek> I didn't make that up
[23:53] <Captainkrtek> I saw it somewhere in the editing guide
[23:54] <jbicha> the wiki? the wiki talks about docbook so it's out of date
[23:54] <Captainkrtek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Checking
[23:55] <Captainkrtek> on the bottom
[23:55] <Captainkrtek> I used "writing" if I remember right
[23:55] <jbicha> that page was last edited 2 years ago :-)
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> didn't know where else to look
[23:56] <jbicha> basically projectmallard and already existing docs are where you should look
[23:57] <Captainkrtek> okay gotcha
[23:57] <Captainkrtek> thanks for all the help
[23:57] <Captainkrtek> sorry for bothering
[23:57] <jbicha> we're going to update the wiki but because we're trying to finish up natty's docs it might not get done this week
[23:57] <Captainkrtek> okay
[23:57] <jbicha> no, you're not a bother at all
[23:58] <Captainkrtek> well thanks for your patience in helping a nuub :-)


[00:27] <chilts> I like how 14.04 encrypts my whole disk, and then (if I want) to encrypt my home directory too :)
[00:28] <chilts> though installing Awesome and not using Unity is always my first job
[00:34] <mwhudson> chilts: lvm encryption and then ecryptfs?
[00:34] <ibeardslee> sometimes I get a fraction annoyed with the fully encrypted disk .. because if the kernels don't get removed properly /boot gets full (only 256MB)
[00:35] <ibeardslee>  /boot is outside the encrypted lvm
[00:36] <mwhudson> ah right
[00:36] <mwhudson> i only have two kernels installed currently it seems, seems reasonable...
[00:36] <mwhudson> (i think this has gotten better recently?)
[00:36] <chilts> dunno exactly what it did, it's all automatic on install :)
[00:37] <chilts> it installed brilliantly fast off a USB drive
[00:37] <chilts> I guess when I install RedHat 7.1 back in the day it would take an hour or so
[00:37] <ibeardslee> I change the default for the LVM, separating /home from /
[00:37] <chilts> *installed
[00:38] <chilts> ibeardslee: I used to, but these days I can't be arsed :D
[00:38] <ibeardslee> main reason I do it is for our internal builds we are working towards
[00:39] <ibeardslee> a FAI build that rebuilds a workstation only hitting on / and leaving /home (and other partitions) alone
[00:40] <chilts> ah yeah, good idea
[00:41] <ibeardslee> also a hell of a lot easier to use 'find' and the like and only look in the current partition
[00:41] <chilts> lunch!!!
[19:51] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:29] <ajmitch> morning
[20:43] <olly> morning
[22:28] <mwhudson> morning