[11:47] <ochosi> finally published some screenshot of the thunar breadcrumbs i did last night: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KIXN7z_gwns/T9CPRQaw56I/AAAAAAAAAZk/woxQ5p2tuS8/s888/thunar-breadcrumbs.png
[11:47] <ochosi> (there's an accompanying g+ post)
[15:13] <martinphone> do you have plans to develope an easy and fast way to change proxy settings systemwide?
[16:44] <pleia2> any details I should be telling people when they ask about our lack of an alpha1, aside from "we just don't have one this time"?
[16:45] <GridCube> "alpha1? like in the power rangers? "
[16:45]  * pleia2 is too old to understand power rangers references :\
[16:47] <GridCube> you are too old to have been a teenager in the 90's?
[16:47] <davmor2> sure there is only one power ranger and his name is "Walker"
[16:47]  * GridCube flies to offtopic ~
[19:39] <cody-somerville> Did Xubuntu not do alpha 1 release?
[19:39] <Unit193> Nope.


[11:31] <enyc> Hrrm... 16.04.2 day today, apparently
[11:42] <k1l> no
[11:43] <k1l> wait, i mean: yes :)
[11:43] <enyc> k1l: oh?
[11:43]  * k1l is so used to delaying 16.04.2 :X
[11:44] <enyc> k1l: should ubuntu-MATE and all the oter variants come out ta some time?
[11:45] <k1l> enyc: that depends on the teams itself. most do pointreleases
[11:45] <k1l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-February/004029.html  this doesnt sound to promising
[11:49] <enyc> eh-oh =)
[11:49] <enyc> k1l: thankyou for pointer to ubuntu-relase list
[15:22] <enyc> k1l: new (perfectly reasonable imho) delay message on the list too =)
[15:24] <k1l> enyc: thanks for the ping :)
[15:28] <enyc> interestingly, generated MATE images
[19:10] <caravena> Please open bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1497641 , bug Not Private
[19:11] <k1l_> is it your bug? you can mark that as not private yourself
[19:11] <caravena> My report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1663342


[04:04] <heckles1000> #luigi
[04:04] <heckles1000> whoops
[16:45] <bdx> kwmonroe: I'm creating the issue for the bigtop project on apache jira
[16:45] <bdx> should I tag it as "New Feature"?
[16:49] <bdx> kwmonroe: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-3007
[16:51] <bdx> kwmonroe: let me know if theres anything else you want/don't want to see on there and I'll add/remove it
[16:53] <kwmonroe> perfect bdx!  thank you!!
[16:53] <bdx> kwmonroe: np, thank you
[16:54] <bdx> kwmonroe: would I be able to fork->branch the juju-solutions/bigtop repo and just add those properties to the hive config to get started working on implementing those bits between the charms?
[16:54] <bdx> or is there something else
[16:56] <kwmonroe> bdx: you probably want to fork upstream, right? https://github.com/apache/bigtop
[16:57] <bdx> ahh, but the juju-solutions fork has the layers .....
[16:58] <bdx> hmmm, possibly I need to do a bit more digging to understand how these pieces fit together
[17:01] <kwmonroe> bdx: upstream has the layers too: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-packages/src/charm
[17:01] <kwmonroe> fwiw, the upstream layers are the source of truth for the charms in the store -- not our juju-soln/bigtop fork
[17:02] <bdx> ahhh gotcha
[17:14] <bdx> kwmonroe: should these properties be conditional in the xml template similar to hbase.zookeeper.quorum?
[17:14] <bdx> im thinking so
[17:15] <bdx> ahh, possibly hive.support.concurrency should default to false
[17:16] <bdx> and hive.zookeeper.quorum shoudl get the conditional
[17:20] <kwmonroe> yeah bdx, i think you're on the right track.. for reference, here's how we added 3 new options in the puppet scripts:  https://github.com/apache/bigtop/pull/238/files
[17:21] <kwmonroe> bdx: you'd do something similar to initialize the vars in hadoop_hive's init.pp: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-deploy/puppet/modules/hadoop_hive/manifests/init.pp#L48
[17:21] <kwmonroe> and then conditionally use those vars in the hive-site.xml: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-deploy/puppet/modules/hadoop_hive/templates/hive-site.xml
[17:24] <kwmonroe> bdx: as for the default values, i would set concurrency to false by default (since that is the default): https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/Hive/Configuration+Properties#ConfigurationProperties-hive.support.concurrency
[17:25] <kwmonroe> and make hive.zk.quorum an empty string
[17:25] <kwmonroe> ^^ both of those in hadoop_hive's init.pp common_config class def
[17:26] <kwmonroe> bdx: then write out the concurrency property and conditional zk.quorum property in hadoop_hive's templates/hive-site.xml
[17:26] <bdx> done
[17:27] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-deploy/puppet/modules/hadoop_hive/manifests/init.pp#L50,L51
[17:27] <bdx> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-deploy/puppet/modules/hadoop_hive/templates/hive-site.xml#L45,L57
[17:28] <kwmonroe> perfect
[17:28] <kwmonroe> see?!?!  big data is easy!
[17:28] <kwmonroe> can i get an amen magicaltrout?
[18:20] <bdx> kwmonroe: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/lib/charms/layer/bigtop_hive.py
[18:22] <bdx> and https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/reactive/hive.py
[18:29] <boucherv> Some issue with the snaps website and api ? https://snapcraft.io/ - 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable nginx/1.13.7
[18:29] <kwmonroe> looks great bdx!  when you're ready, you can PR that against the bigtop repo.  be sure to follow the PR title guidelines so jira will auto-link your pr to the ticket:  https://github.com/juju-solutions/bigdata-community/wiki/Contributing#pull-request-formatting
[18:30] <bdx> kwmonroe: awesome, thanks
[18:46] <kwmonroe> boucherv: i was seeing 502/503 too, but it seems to be back for me now.
[18:47] <boucherv> kwmonroe: Yes It seems to be back now! ty
[19:07] <bdx> kwmonroe: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/lib/charms/layer/bigtop_hive.py#L61,L63
[19:07] <bdx> (self.dist_config.path('hive_conf') / 'hive-env.sh.template')
[19:07] <bdx> I cant seem to find hive-env.sh, or hive-env.sh.template
[19:07] <bdx> should I create this file?
[19:08] <bdx> I feel like I'm missing something, as the charm should have hit the error I'm seeing long ago if that file didnt exist
[19:09] <bdx> possibly I borked something https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W9tN3Ygyn9/
[19:30] <kwmonroe> bdx: you are correct... i can't find ref to that template either.  wth!  /me looks deeper down the rabbit hole.
[20:09] <bdx> kwmonroe: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CSscBbmwtf/
[20:09] <bdx> when I deploy the upstream hive charm
[20:09] <bdx> I see the files
[20:10] <bdx> and it doesnt error
[20:20] <zeestrat> rick_h: Are requests to subscribe to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>moderated or should you get a confirmation mail asap? Trying to change my mail, but getting ain't no confirmation love :(
[20:36] <rick_h> zeestrat: thought it just auto went through.
[20:42] <zeestrat> rick_h: Alright, thanks. I'll give it a day before I start nagging.
[20:55] <magicaltrout> i've changed my email address on the juju list before
[20:55] <magicaltrout> it took about 3 seconds
[20:57] <kwmonroe> aight bdx, i think i know what's up.  first of all, those template files come from the upstream tgz that gets used during the bigtop deb build, specifically here: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-packages/src/common/hive/install_hive.sh#L161
[20:57] <bdx> gotcha, was just figuring that out myself
[20:57] <kwmonroe> so bigtop doesn't explicitly have a hive-env.sh like it does for hive-site.xml, but it does get there from the deb.
[20:58] <kwmonroe> bdx: the next part was a bit of a mystery.. i was able to confirm the failure when i used hive-21 (from the candidate channel) and hadoop-plugin-31 (from the stable channel)
[20:58] <kwmonroe> the problem is that the stable channel plugin is still set to use bigtop-1.2.0, whereas the candidate charms are bigtop-1.2.1.
[20:59] <kwmonroe> this is a problem because hive will set up it's puppet heiradata on initial install and get ready to run puppet apply using the config from bigtop-1.2.1.
[20:59] <kwmonroe> then the plugin comes along and overwrites all that config with bigtop-1.2.0
[20:59] <kwmonroe> when the plugin does this, the puppet config is no longer including the "hive" role, and so puppet apply never does an "apt install hive"
[21:00] <bdx> oh man lol
[21:00] <kwmonroe> without installing the pacakge, puppet apply succeeds, but since hive didn't actually get installed, there's no /etc/hive/conf, and hence the failure in the hive install charm method
[21:00] <bdx> nice
[21:00] <kwmonroe> so, to confirm that, would you confirm if you used a stable hadoop-plugin with a candidate (or beta / edge) version of the hive charm?
[21:00] <bdx> that makes sense from what little I know about the process
[21:01] <bdx> yes, I'll give that a try now
[21:01] <bdx> can I just build hive from upstream apache/bigtop and use that?
[21:02] <magicaltrout> you make kwmonroe when you suggest such things
[21:02] <magicaltrout> cry
[21:02] <magicaltrout> missed the important word
[21:02] <magicaltrout> should drink less gin
[21:02] <kwmonroe> you sure can bdx -- but if you do, make sure you use hadoop-plugin-33 (from candidate) so everybody's on bigtop-1.2.1
[21:02] <bdx> ok
[21:02] <kwmonroe> heh magicaltrout.  big data is still easy!  where's my amen?
[21:03] <magicaltrout> amen!
[21:03] <kwmonroe> i am complete
[21:04] <kwmonroe> now to track down the knucklehead that didn't release candidate charms to stable like 2 months ago.
[21:31] <bdx> kwmonroe: you seeing this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K75vMzTgrV/
[21:32] <bdx> kwmonroe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pc9kQF35Zg/
[21:33] <bdx> I dont think we will hit the error on hive because its stuck waiting on hbase
[21:33] <bdx> hbase hits it though
[21:34] <bdx> ohhhh
[21:34] <bdx> I see why
[21:35] <bdx> I needed to deploy condidate hbase too
[21:35] <bdx> my bad
[21:35] <bdx> dah
[21:35] <kwmonroe> yeah, sorry about that bdx, i'm doing a rebuild now to see if anything has changed recently.. should get those up to stable after CI runs through.
[21:35] <bdx> cool
[21:35] <kwmonroe> but yeah, everything needs to be -c candidate for now
[23:17] <beisner> hi all - in case you haven't seen our announcement on the openstack-dev ML:  1802 openstack charms release is rescheduled for Thu Mar 8.  hop over to freenode #openstack-charms if you'd like to interact or track it more closely.  cheers!
[23:20] <magicaltrout> isn't openstack 2010?
[23:20] <magicaltrout> hey beisner hows the kettle?
[23:21] <beisner> push a button, receive hot water
[23:21] <magicaltrout> amazing kit, right? ;)
[23:22] <beisner> it has single-handedly increased my personal throughput more than ... any beer ever has.
[23:22] <jhobbs> zojirushi?
[23:22] <beisner> no, baby steps.  mine's from walmart, with training wheels.  but that zojirushi looks sweet1
[23:23] <beisner> !
[23:23] <jhobbs> hehe
[23:23] <beisner> 2010's openstack isn't one that you'd enjoy much, magicaltrout
[23:24] <magicaltrout> awwww
[23:24] <magicaltrout> I'm forced to run CDK on Openstack at the moment
[23:24] <magicaltrout> Openstack makes magicaltrout sad
[23:24] <beisner> whyfor?
[23:24] <magicaltrout> not for any particular reason
[23:24] <magicaltrout> other than its just not baremetal :)
[23:25] <beisner> ha!  i hear you.
[23:25] <magicaltrout> on the plus side, CDK support for GPUs via openstack seems to work a treat
[23:25] <magicaltrout> which does make me a little less sad
[23:25] <beisner> the world still needs virtual machines.  look!  even you do right now, apparently.
[23:25] <beisner> nice
[23:25] <magicaltrout> only cause I don't get my own way all the time :P
[23:26] <magicaltrout> i'm fixing the world
[23:26] <magicaltrout> one kettle at a time!
[23:26] <beisner> word.
[23:26] <magicaltrout> that said, docker gets on my tits as well
[23:26] <magicaltrout> i'm hard to please ;)
[23:27] <beisner> is that like ruby on rails?  docker on ____ ?
[23:27] <magicaltrout> haha
[23:27] <beisner> you may have something there.
[23:28] <magicaltrout> kwmonroe... do you own a kettle?
[23:29] <beisner> gotta run.  i'll leave you to ""gpu research"" aka ethereum mining, magicaltrout ;-)
[23:29] <magicaltrout> works a treat
[23:30] <magicaltrout> on government GPUs ;)
[23:30] <magicaltrout> have fun
[23:30] <beisner> cheers
[23:31] <kwmonroe> i do not magicaltrout
[23:32] <magicaltrout> its a texan miracle!
[23:50] <bdx> kwmonroe: concerning zookeeper <-> hive, do you have any suggestions on how to go about making the relation between the two optional?
[23:50] <bdx> I have a few ideas I'm playing around with atm
[23:54] <bdx> 1) conditional 'use-zookeeper' or equivalent charm config, 2) call Hive.install() when zookeeper.joined and make a separate handler to get the zookeeper hosts and store them in unitdata so that install_hive() doesn't depend on 'zookeeper.ready'
[23:55] <bdx> I have #1 working
[23:55] <bdx> but the more I think about it, the less I like it (I'm sure you will agree here)
[23:55] <bdx> so, working on #2
[23:56] <kwmonroe> bdx: yeah, boo #1.  i fail to see how the zk relation isn't already optional.  your install handler isn't gated with zookeeper.ready: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/reactive/hive.py#L66
[23:56] <bdx> ahh , yeah srry, uncommited changes
[23:56] <kwmonroe> heh, well, don't guard it, and zookeeper will be optional :)
[23:56] <bdx> I was not getting the zk properties in hive-site.xml with my add_hive branch
[23:57] <bdx> ok ... I'll keep poking around with what I have in that branch then ... possibly I'm over thinking it
[23:58] <bdx> the fact that install_hive() doesnt depend on 'zookeeper.ready'
[23:58] <kwmonroe> ah, yeah bdx.. so here's the thing.  without the @when zk.ready, you'll enter that install_hive handler over and over... and *only* when the deployment matrix changes will anything actually happen.
[23:58] <bdx> yeah
[23:59] <kwmonroe> so, i would suggest you move this https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/reactive/hive.py#L110,L112 up
[23:59] <kwmonroe> and add hive_install-args to the dep matrix here: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/reactive/hive.py#L89
[23:59] <kwmonroe> otherwise, you're hitting this: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/bigtop/blob/hive_config_add_zookeeper/bigtop-packages/src/charm/hive/layer-hive/reactive/hive.py#L103
[23:59] <bdx> oh totally
[23:59] <kwmonroe> and returning because the matrix didn't change


[19:55] <mikem_p250> cjwatson: do you have a minute?
[19:57] <mikem_p250> cjwatson: I have a question about the debian installer and driver updates
[19:58] <mikem_p250> kentb: can you hear me?
[20:00] <CarlFK> mikem_p250:  I can
[20:00] <mikem_p250> carlfk: at least I'm not alone out here :-)
[20:01] <mikem_p250> carlfk: you don't happen to be an installer expert do you?
[20:02] <CarlFK> mikem_p250: not really, but you may as well ask
[20:04] <kentb> mikem_p250, yes
[20:04] <mikem_p250> Kentb: hey, man
[20:04] <mikem_p250> just making sure I'm talking to someone
[20:05] <kentb> your test is successful :)
[20:05] <mikem_p250> CarlFK: I need to change an installer script, do you know who I need to talk to?
[20:07] <mikem_p250> CarlFK: kentb: I need to change driver-injection-disk.sh
[20:07] <mikem_p250> CarlFK: kentb: I know what changes I want to make but then I don't know how to build an installer with those changes
[20:08] <CarlFK> mikem_p250: at least I know what you are talking about.  I considered going down that path, and quickly gave up
[20:09] <mikem_p250> CarlFK: that's not encouraging!
[20:15] <kentb> mikem_p250, that particular piece I'm not sure about
[20:16] <mikem_p250> kentb: I'm trying Colin again, maybe my other mail was too stupid to answer
[20:16] <mikem_p250> kentb: I think I've got it nailed down, but I need to test
[20:17] <kentb> mikem_p250, ok.
[20:17] <kentb> mikem_p250, it's also after 8pm where he's at
[20:17] <mikem_p250> kentb: good point
[20:18] <mikem_p250> kentb: those little details escape me from time to time
[20:18] <mikem_p250> kentb: I'll finish my mail and hope for the best
[20:18] <kentb> mikem_p250, ok. sounds good, man


[04:14] <Kage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/time/+bug/668156
[17:59] <Ian_Corne> are there any blueprints for 11.04 yet?
[17:59] <Ian_Corne> or after UDS?
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> anyone here sporting an ati 6850?
[18:16] <bjsnider> if they were, i doubt it would work with linux
[18:18] <Ian_Corne> A friend tells me it should work with the latest catalyst?
[22:26] <jjcm> Anyone know the hardware compatibility on the latest macbook airs
[22:26] <jjcm> Thinking of grabbing one
[22:26] <jjcm> but want to be sure I can toss some other brands of nix on it as well
[23:28] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:29] <BUGabundo> happy birthday akgraner
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and I'm sorry to hear, not under the best circumstances :(


[05:01] <WebVisitor-5> hey guys what's the repositroy for gestures for touchpads on notebooks? The only gesture I want is a single finger gesture to scroll to the left at the top of my touchpad to go back in my browser...anyone know?
[05:03] <WebVisitor-5> I don't think my touchpad supports multi-touch, but in vista I was able to scroll to the left and go back a page in my browser with my touchpad
[05:03] <WebVisitor-5> Thanks in advance guys
[05:03] <WebVisitor-5> everyone seems afk
[05:03] <WebVisitor-5> I'll try another time, or maybe some forums
[05:04] <WebVisitor-5> thanks


[05:40] <genii> What to do about udev and upstart in a chroot?
[05:42]  * genii diverts it
[05:42] <infinity> (vivid-amd64)root@cthulhu:/home/adconrad# cat /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
[05:42] <infinity> #!/bin/sh
[05:42] <infinity> while true; do
[05:42] <infinity>     case "$1" in
[05:42] <infinity>       -*) shift ;;
[05:42] <infinity>       makedev) exit 0;;
[05:42] <infinity>       x11-common) exit 0;;
[05:42] <infinity>       *) exit 101;;
[05:42] <infinity>     esac
[05:42] <infinity> done
[05:43] <infinity> genii: ^--- The above snippet makes sure things don't get run in chroots from postinsts.
[05:43] <infinity> genii: (Well, from invoke-rc.d, which postinsts call)
[06:01] <genii> Great, thanks!


[08:16] <p> hallo
[08:17] <Guest76636> jmand da
[08:17] <Guest76636> jemand da
[08:19] <Guest76636> why is myload so high
[09:38] <uio> Hello - just did an install of Lubuntu 18.04 LTS on an eeePC with LUKS. When I boot the LUKS password prompt and the Lubuntu logo behind are very dim. I can use the adjust dimness key to change this, ut I don't get why this is even then. If I do nothing and enter the password, it autmatically continues the boot process and the dimness is resolved. How can I make the default LUKS prompt brightness correct permanently? Thanks.
[09:38] <uio> oops
[09:38] <uio> Hello - just did an install of Lubuntu 18.04 LTS on an eeePC with LUKS. When I boot the LUKS password prompt and the Lubuntu logo behind are very dim. I can use the adjust dimness key to change this, ut I don't get why this is even then. If I do nothing and enter the password, it autmatically continues the boot process and the dimness is resolved. How can I make the default LUKS prompt brightness correct permanently? Thanks.
[09:38] <uio> Sorry for the re-post..
[10:35] <decnet> Hi all ..
[10:37] <decnet> Bye all


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:34] <czajkowski> dholbach want me to create glibal event on ltp for ugj
[08:35] <dholbach> ah, yes - good idea
[08:37] <czajkowski> :)
[08:37] <czajkowski> will take care of that at lunch time so
[08:39] <dholbach> nice, thanks
[08:42] <czajkowski> np
[08:53] <jasonjang>  !lococouncil
[08:53] <ubot4> lococouncil is The Loco Council is itnet7, czajkowski, paultag, huats, leogg, popey - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:53] <jasonjang> good morning?! czajkowski , then
[08:54] <jasonjang> then popey did step down?
[08:54] <czajkowski> jasonjang: aye
[08:54] <czajkowski> we're having some issues updating the bot
[08:54] <jasonjang> ye! i C
[11:33] <czajkowski> huats_: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/French-government-tenders-for-open-source-support-1383615.html
[13:14] <huats_> czajkowski: :)
[13:14] <huats_> I think it is a little too big for my company :)
[13:42] <czajkowski> cjohnston: you about?
[13:44] <cjohnston> on my, phone. whats up
[13:45] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I seem to be breaking the LTP
[13:45] <czajkowski> trying to create UGJ
[13:45] <czajkowski> and clicking on submit and nothing happengs
[13:45] <czajkowski> but not getting error of what I'm doing wrong
[13:45] <czajkowski> wondering is it because we already had an event name called ubuntu global jam ??
[13:45] <cjohnston> k.. ill look later
[13:46] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:46] <czajkowski> I've filled in all the * fields
[13:46] <cjohnston> at work so can't get on computer for a bit still
[13:46] <czajkowski> no bother
[13:46] <czajkowski> thanks if you could look into that
[13:47] <czajkowski> and leave me a message I can re try later on
[13:47] <czajkowski> Thanks
[13:47] <cjohnston> np
[20:33] <cjohnston> First registered global jam event: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/1445/detail/
[20:33] <cjohnston> :-)


[13:07] <Morda> Hello, everyone, i have a big problem with my laptop and i cant install Ubuntu 20.04LTS version on my laptop. The problem is that i have 11Gn processor, and when i begin instalation, i cant detect my SSD disk. Somebody can help me?
[13:15] <guiverc> Morda, the support channel is #ubuntu
[13:18] <Morda> Ou, sorry. Thanks!


[02:41] <pwnguin> lol. so I'm reading the mailing list archives
[02:42] <pwnguin> does the team do anything besides moan about top posting?


[05:10] <lotuspsychje> ohayo gozaimashita cfhowlett-san
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> !vivid
[05:33] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) was the 22nd release of Ubuntu. Support ended on February 4, 2016. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/vivid
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> nice
[08:01] <OerHeks> :-)
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:21] <circle_> Anybody up
[11:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks


[00:32] <hot_wheelz> Hi guys
[00:34] <jea> hi
[00:35] <hot_wheelz> Hi jea
[00:35] <hot_wheelz> You know that sound issue i reported here?
[00:37] <jea> Yes, I do recall that
[00:37] <jea> I thought you mentioned you got it working?
[00:39] <hot_wheelz> it just decided to work via a patch i think but have since lost it again I don't know what's up with it
[00:40] <hot_wheelz> maybe the driver has issues or something ?
[00:41] <jea> possibly, I am not really sure
[00:42] <jea> a lot of such issues are really dependant on the setup of the computer, etc
[00:42] <jea> so can be hard to track down
[00:43] <hot_wheelz> It's a Dell XPS 1501X
[00:45] <jea> i can't say i am familiar with that computer
[00:45] <jea> it is a bit too hard to keep up with every model available out there :P
[00:46] <hot_wheelz> agreed
[00:49] <hot_wheelz> The only way I know to fix it right now is to reinstall but then it will just happen again
[00:50] <jea> unless something has been corrupted somehow
[00:50] <hot_wheelz> my  vol is not muted just now sound output
[00:50] <jea> is it definitely not a hardware issue?
[00:50] <jea> most likely it is not, but there is a slight possiblility
[00:52] <hot_wheelz> how can i file it with an output to help with a fix?
[00:52] <jea> sorry, file what with an output?
[00:52] <hot_wheelz> a bug
[00:53] <jea> oh, right
[00:53] <hot_wheelz> because it works for awhile then dies
[00:53] <jea> Is there an existing bug, or will it be a new one?
[00:54] <jea> I would take a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[00:55] <jea> and this may also help http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/how-to-file-a-bug-in-ubuntu
[00:55] <jea> as good guides to bug reporting
[00:56] <hot_wheelz> jea not that I can see thanks mate
[00:57] <jea> ok. if you have a launchpad account, you should be right to file a bug relatively easily
[00:57] <jea> probably the hardest part (in some cases) is finding the correct place to file the bug under
[00:57] <jea> but I think those guides should help
[01:02] <hot_wheelz> jea i do
[01:24] <hot_wheelz> jea,
[01:24] <hot_wheelz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1064621
[01:26] <jea> so that is the problem you are having?
[01:34] <hot_wheelz> jea seems so\
[01:34] <hot_wheelz> it's there then it goes
[01:34] <jea> right. maybe trying their workaround, and posting your findings would be a good idea
[01:37] <hot_wheelz> it is suggested running sudo apt-get remove alsa-hda-dkms should be the fix right?
[01:38] <hot_wheelz> when i tried that i got Unable to locate package alsa-hda-dkms
[01:42] <jea> I think you might want to install it first
[01:42] <jea> i suspect it does not come with quantal, but is an extra
[01:44] <jea> The final fix is to install a new kernel version
[01:44] <jea> linux-headers-3.5.0-18-generic
[01:44] <jea> linux-image-extra-3.5.0-18-generic
[01:45] <jea> I suspect these are both under -proposed at the moment
[01:45] <jea> so check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[01:45] <jea> just ensure you do not update the entire system from proposed - follow the guide on that page to only update the kernel
[01:48] <jea> i suspect that you don't need the alsa-hda-dkms package when upgrading the kernel either
[01:49] <hot_wheelz> just do kernel then
[01:50] <jea> yep, i would just do the kernel
[01:50] <jea> make sure you do both the headers and extras packages
[01:56] <hot_wheelz> doing now
[01:57] <jea> ok. be careful!
[07:44] <hot_wheelz> jea,
[07:54] <hot_wheelz> So kernel update seems to have resolved the issue i'll keep you posed


[00:01] <GrueMaster> infinity: Good to know.  Didn't really want to release one from the search for ET.  But I can reimage in a moment's notice if needed, and I have my local mirror.  :P
[00:01] <infinity> GrueMaster: Do you have one with a local disk?
[00:02] <infinity> GrueMaster: stgraber's NFS solution just broke my build with make/nfs timestamp skew sadness.
[00:02] <GrueMaster> I have all 5 of my systems with sata usb.
[00:02] <infinity> Maybe I should beg you for a fresh natty headless, then, and let stgraber have his diskless one back.
[00:03] <infinity> Before I tear out more hair.
[00:03] <infinity> But first, food.  Food will make me feel better.
[00:03] <GrueMaster> It is faster for me to image with netboot.  Installs directly to USB, and no prompting along the way.
[00:04] <stgraber> infinity: I can fairly easily switch that to a nbd export so you have raw block device access and no more nfs weirdness if that helps
[00:05] <GrueMaster> I'll start one now, then give you the ipv6 addr before I leave for our 24th anniversary dinner.
[00:05] <infinity> stgraber: If that fixes timestamp skews, sure.
[00:05] <infinity> stgraber: Or, I can steal Tobin's local-disk system.  I'm not picky.
[00:05] <infinity> But food.
[00:05] <infinity> Back in a bit.
[00:09] <GrueMaster> Crap.  Mirror appears to be down.  Grrr.
[00:09] <stgraber> infinity: I'll have nbd setup (with the same data) in a couple of minutes
[00:14] <GrueMaster> Mirror recovered (kernel panic - will look into later).
[00:16] <GrueMaster> Of course, nothing in the logs.  Oh, well.  Panda4 will be online in ~15 minutes.  Mirror is current as of 6/18, will pull in 45 minutes and be current within 1.5-2 hours.
[01:00] <stgraber> infinity: oh, btw, forgot to mention that the panda is back online with /data mounted over nbd, so if you still get timestamps problem, then it's a kernel bug ;)
[12:28] <OlivierN1>  nedd to export it
[13:11] <ogra_> ppisati, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1059040/ thats what i get with your hpddbg kernel
[13:12] <ogra_> and it belives it switched to a 240x75 console
[13:13] <ogra_> though there is no output (should i see any ?)
[13:57] <ppisati> ogra_: actually i expected another printk to appear close to
[13:57] <ppisati> ogra_: "HPD IRQ request failed"
[13:58] <ppisati> ogra_: echo 8 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk
[14:28] <janimo> lilstevie, armhv tegra driver here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-tegra/15~beta1-0ubuntu2 I have not tested it though
[14:42] <alf_> Hi! Does the 12.04 image for omap3 (e.g. beagle-xm) have hardware acceleration for 1. video playback 2. 3D ?
[14:59] <ogra_> ppisati, oh, thats also there http://paste.ubuntu.com/1059183/
[15:00] <ogra_> (booted with drm.debug=7)
[15:07] <ppisati> ogra_: ok, got what i need, thanks
[15:48] <GrueMaster> infinity: Figure out your mono issue?  What exactly are you looking at?
[16:23] <TrimSliceSDXC> testing a TimSlice H25 running on an 64 GB SDXC card (Ubuntu 11.04)
[16:23] <TrimSliceSDXC> s/ H250
[16:23] <ogra_> ppisati, hmm, omap3 still doesnt look good, my boot attempts all hang here and i also dont get any display output
[16:24] <ogra_> seems to hang pretty randomly i even had one that finished all initramfs scripts before it locked up hard
[16:24] <ogra_> and USB doesnt seem to be powered at all
[16:25] <ogra_> oh, WOW !
[16:26] <ogra_> so it seems my USB1 hub i have my mouse and kbd attached to completely kills the hub on the beagle
[16:26] <ppisati> ogra_: the new kernel wasn't uploaded, and i'm aware of the usb thing and i'm on working on that
[16:26] <ogra_> as soon as i unplug it, the rest of usb devices powers up on the port
[16:26] <ppisati> ogra_: we miss another patch, and there's something in our config that kills it
[16:26] <ogra_> ah
[16:27] <ogra_> wow and i see a log of squashfs errors on the console during boot
[16:28] <ogra_> intresting, omap4 doesnt expose them
[16:28] <ppisati> yep, 3.5 regressed so much on omap
[16:28] <ppisati> anyway, off now, be back later
[16:28] <ogra_> enjoy
[16:29]  * ogra_ takes that as an example and calls it a day too
[19:02] <janimo> infinity, hi. armadaxp binaries targeted at precise-proposed in the NEW queue :)
[19:03] <infinity> janimo: If there are, they sure got cleared out fast.
[19:04] <janimo> infinity, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[19:04] <janimo> I see them at the top of this page
[19:04] <infinity> janimo: Are you sure you don't mean in unapproved, cause it was a copy from the PPA? :P
[19:04] <infinity> (That's not new)
[19:04] <janimo> infinity, unapproved, new, tomato/potato :)
[19:05] <janimo> so yes, they are not NEW source I see now
[19:06] <infinity> janimo: I'll have to fix the override in ~30m.
[19:06] <infinity> janimo: I'll update the tracking bug when I do.  If you have one this time...
[19:06] <janimo> ... ?
[19:06] <infinity> Which you don't.  Bah.
[19:07] <janimo> have what?
[19:07] <infinity> janimo: A kernel SRU tracking bug.
[19:07] <janimo> ah tracking bug
[19:07] <janimo> I do
[19:07] <janimo> a moment
[19:07] <infinity> Not in the changelog.
[19:07] <infinity> That would be helpful.
[19:07] <janimo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/prepare-package-meta/+bug/1013465
[19:07] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1013465 in linux-armadaxp "linux-armadaxp: 3.2.0-1604.7 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[19:07] <janimo> oh crap
[19:07] <janimo> I always though it got inserted
[19:07]  * janimo checks
[19:07] <infinity> Oh, it's there.  In the wrong place.
[19:08] <infinity> Should be above the 3.2.0-26.41 rebase, not below.
[19:08] <infinity> Anyhow, next time.  At least I know where it is for this one. :P
[19:10] <janimo> infinity, so should be the topmost entry in the changelog?
[19:10] <janimo> I managed to add another patch after initial changelog generation and it got pushed down
[19:13] <infinity> janimo: It should be the top entry and, more importantly, it shouldn't appear as though it came from the master branch.
[19:14] <infinity> janimo: Ordering is nice here for auditing too.  When you do a master rebase, make that the last thing in the changelog.
[19:14] <infinity> janimo: So, 1: tracking bug, 2: tree-specific changes/updates, 3: rebase junk.
[19:14] <infinity> So we can ignore everything from the rebase tag down. :P
[19:33] <janimo> infinity, I'll pay more attention next time. I may have invoked the insertchangelog tools in the wrong order or altered the changelog manually afterwards to change something
[19:34] <infinity> janimo: S'all good.  Live and learn.  The kernel SRU process is pretty rigid, and any deviation causes a bit of confusion.
[19:37] <janimo> infinity, yes it is pretty rigid - which is good. The less good is the tools are not yet all there and consistently enforced to automate most of it
[19:37] <janimo> there is progress though, just could be a lot more automatic
[19:39] <infinity> It's a lot less awful than it used to be. ;)
[19:39] <janimo> and the fact that even I am packaging kernel now is a testament to that :)
[19:42] <infinity> Heh.
[20:28] <tedg> Hey folks, I'd like to grab an ARM image that I can run under QEMU
[20:29] <tedg> I'm not sure which one I want, whether it's one of the OMAP ones or what exactly.
[20:29] <GrueMaster> infinity: So, what are you tracking in Mono for Natty?  iirc, it was broken for SMP.
[20:31] <prpplague> jkridner_: aw man, who let you in here?
[20:31] <prpplague> there goes the neighborhood
[20:35] <janimo> infinity, so should the promote-to-proposed bugtask be set to Fix Released already on the armadaxp bug?
[20:39] <tedg> Anyone have a recommendation on which image to use?
[20:39] <tedg> ^
[21:03] <infinity> GrueMaster: Not in natty, on natty.  As in, quantal mono on natty kernels (which our buildds still use).
[21:04] <infinity> janimo: Not until I fix the overrides, which I'm about to do.
[21:04] <GrueMaster> Oh.  ugly.
[21:04] <infinity> janimo: I'll poke the task when I'm done.
[21:05] <janimo> infinity, what are the overrides exactly?
[21:05] <infinity> janimo: As in, making sure the kernels are in main instead of universe.
[21:06] <janimo> infinity, ok. Can they not be routed to main automatically for each new upload? So if package name == linux-armadaxp-{\d+} or something =>main
[21:07] <infinity> janimo: Not with the way copying from PPAs currently works.
[21:08] <infinity> janimo: bug updated.
[21:09] <janimo> infinity, thanks
[21:28] <GrueMaster> infinity: When will the buildd's switch to 12.04?  12.04.1?
[22:07] <infinity> GrueMaster: When my ticket gets actioned.  Some buildds have switched already, none of the Pandas have.
[22:16] <gandhijee_> is there a tablet UI for ubuntu?
[22:46] <GrueMaster> infinity: Well, if you need it, my panda is live, and I believe I have updated local copies of the ubuntu-core images on my mirror as well.  Let me know if you need anything on it.
[22:47] <GrueMaster> I can ssh in from work (have to route through ipv4 and use other home systems as stepping stones).  Just can't reboot the mirror if it crashes again.
[22:48] <infinity> GrueMaster: I think stgraber's switch from nfs to nbd has got me covered, but thanks. ;)
[22:50] <GrueMaster> Ok.