[20:45] <snarkster> mefisto: yah me to.. keeps the damn lights on then i wake up with a headache
[20:46] <emons> my cellphone is here
[20:47] <snarkster> ok well that thing gives off tons of microwaves.  so be sure to keep it out of the line of sight of the router.
[20:47] <emons> and im currently connected with 50%
[20:48] <snarkster> are you noticing any slow downs?? transfer rates are slow or something?
[20:48] <emons> everything is slow though
[20:48] <snarkster> is this a G wifi or a B/G wifi device
[20:48] <emons> look, i just pinged www.google.it and look my statistics
[20:48] <emons> 29 packets transmitted, 15 received, 48% packet loss, time 64247ms
[20:48] <emons> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 37.005/102.662/861.818/203.020 ms
[20:48] <emons> 48% loss its allot isnt it?
[20:49] <snarkster> ok well dont get snippy with me Im trying to assist you. L)
[20:49] <snarkster> oh yes but thats packet dropping
[20:49] <snarkster> could be that your router is chirping or you network card is chirping.
[20:49] <snarkster> chattering i mean..
[20:50] <snarkster> if you boot into XP right now youll hit 100%
[20:50] <KDesk> I have a problem, in Firefox when I download a zip file, and will open it, firefox opens okular, how can I fix  this?
[20:50] <snarkster> wow.. I dont get it.. are you using ndiswrapper?
[20:51] <juandiego> Pliskin: I guess somethings working, but still i cannot connect
[20:52] <mefisto__> KDesk: in firefox preferences, applications, search for "zip" and choose what action you want
[20:52] <KDesk> mefisto__: but that dialog is empty... :(
[20:53] <emons> no sorry snarkster i didnt mean it, of course i appreciate ur help
[20:53] <snarkster> i know you do.. its cool.
[20:53] <snarkster> if yo move closer to the router does it get stronger?
[20:54] <KDesk> im also using mozplugger, but without mozplugger i got the same behavior.
[20:55] <mefisto__> KDesk: there is a solution for the empty applications list. I just don't remember what it is
[20:56] <emons> the thing is its a desktop i cant move it at all its in a desk in a shelfed piece of furniture
[20:56] <KDesk> mefisto__: oh :D I will ask google, is this a common issue in kde or with the linux build in genereal?
[20:57] <mefisto__> KDesk: try installing firefox-gnome-support
[20:57] <KDesk> mefisto__:  firefox-gnome-support in kde?
[20:58] <mefisto__> KDesk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/220504
[20:58] <snarkster> oh i thought you were using a laptop.. im sorry..
[20:59] <snarkster> emons dude I got nothing more.. it shouldnt do that thats for sure..
[20:59] <snarkster> are you sure you didnt update soemthing??
[21:00] <emons> everytime it says it has something to update i let it do it
[21:00] <emons> is that wrong?
[21:00] <snarkster> oh no
[21:01] <snarkster> but that might be were your problem came from..
[21:01] <snarkster> you updated and it changed how the nm works
[21:02] <emons> hey snarkster i just pinged my router and thats what i found
[21:02] <emons> 91 packets transmitted, 43 received, 52% packet loss, time 90034ms
[21:02] <emons> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.850/3.844/25.098/5.927 ms
[21:02] <emons> 52% of the packets its lost, that means ivegot a wifi prob aint i?
[21:03] <timo> hi all, does anyone know where I can download a keyboard driver for my laptop?
[21:04] <timo> the volume keys are not working properly (a single press is processed as a double press)
[21:04] <timo> running KDE 4.1
[21:05] <timo> the laptop is an Asus
[21:05] <snarkster> emons yup thats what it means.
[21:06] <snarkster> sorry emons I can do no more.. as it doesnt make sense as to what the problem is.
[21:07] <emons> sorry? what u mean?
[21:11] <KDesk> mefisto__: it is a bug in firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409192
[21:12] <alinon> for some reason the kdm theme manager isn't working with hardy - anyone know of a fix?
[21:15] <timo> my laptop keyboard interprets a single press on the mute button as two presses... any ideas how I can fix this?
[21:16] <timo> alinon: you can just edit the configuration file yourself...
[21:16] <timo> alinon: thats what I did
[21:17] <alinon> timo: you mean usetheme=true and theme=/usr etc
[21:17] <timo> alinon: what exactly do you want to change?
[21:18] <alinon> timo: i'm wanting to use the theme i picked up from kde-look.org
[21:18] <timo> alinon: ah, i se
[21:19] <alinon> i'm wondering if cssm or emerald is conflicting with it
[21:20] <alinon> timo: when i first started i was going to use a compiz theme, and it worked for a while, now it's not working and neither is kdm theme manager heh
[21:20] <timo> alinon: does it give an error or anything?
[21:21] <timo> alinon: what does it say when you install a new theme?
[21:21] <alinon> timo: not at all, the themes just don't get applied even after i hit the "apply" button...i've also tried restarting X but still no joy
[21:21] <alinon> it acts as though the theme is being used, but visually i see no difference
[21:22] <timo> alinon: ok. perhaps you should try editing the configuration file yourself then?
[21:22] <alinon> timo: where is the config file located? i think i may have tried this already
[21:23] <timo> alinon: check /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[21:23] <alinon> yeh, that's the one
[21:24] <alinon> timo: i changed it so that "usetheme=true" is active
[21:24] <mefisto__> what type of theme are we talking about? kdm is the login screen you see before login
[21:24] <timo> alinon: perhaps this one then: ?
[21:24] <timo> nano /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings
[21:25] <alinon> mefisto: i didn't realize it only effected the login, but either way it login hasn't changed either heh
[21:25] <timo> alinon: what does the default setting file say?
[21:26] <alinon> timo: i changed it to Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/true-nature
[21:26] <alinon> and it's set to kdm in the config file
[21:27] <timo> alinon: and I presume you've set "UseTheme=true" and "Theme=/usr/share/apps/...../true-nature" also in the kdmrc?
[21:27] <alinon> timo: yep yep
[21:28] <Guest2638> is there any chance of this chat to go to IRCd?
[21:28] <timo> alinon: then I'm afraid I can't help you either... that's all I know
[21:29] <alinon> timo: well aside from the login theme, what the best way in kubuntu to change the window theme?
[21:29] <alinon> i heard dekorator is still the best?
[21:29] <timo> alinon: I'd use emerald
[21:29] <alinon> blah, i'm trying to use emerald heh
[21:30] <timo> alinon: but I'm not familiar with dekorator...
[21:30] <alinon> i have the compiz fusion icon, but it doesn't seem to be helping
[21:30] <timo> alinon: is compiz fusion working?
[21:30] <timo> alinon: the desktop cube and all?
[21:31] <alinon> timo: i can set the desktop effects to extra, but when i select an emerald theme nothing happens
[21:32] <alinon> timo: it was working when i first set this up
[21:32] <timo> alinon: perhaps you should start over then
[21:33] <timo> alinon: and carefully write down every step along the way
[21:33] <alinon> timo: i used to know a command, like replace --compiz or something
[21:33] <timo> alinon: hopefully you won't end up the same way then
[21:33] <timo> alinon: yep, that's the one
[21:33] <mizipzor> i get the error "configure.in:8: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation." in kdevelop... any ideas on how to solve it?
[21:33] <Guest2638> !compiz
[21:34] <alinon> hah it's saying i need mysql to perform that operation
[21:35] <alinon> about the only difference that i've found that i like with kubuntu over ubuntu is that there is a way to increase the scroll wheel mouse amount in the mouse settings
[21:36] <alinon> as far as i know ubuntu don't have that option yet hehe
[21:38] <alinon> oh and i really like kopete, i wish ubuntu had it
[21:38] <alinon> heck i wish kopete was on windows haha
[21:40] <Idrogeno> how can you like kopete more than pidgin?
[21:40] <alinon> the window theme is there by default
[21:40] <alinon> whatever they call it, like adium
[21:42] <alinon> chat window styles, are the win
[21:43] <alinon> i just wish i could figure out why my compiz themes aren't working - i hate to have to reinstall
[21:44] <Guest2638> ask in #compiz-fusion
[21:44] <kaminix> The new Konversation seems to be out, any plans to include it or will it be included with the next KDE 3 release?
[21:44] <alinon> i guess i will
[21:44] <alinon> thanks guest
[21:44] <Guest2638> np
[21:50] <juandiego> my wifi Broadcom 43xx isdetected but I still can not get a connection as every time I try to do it asks for the password and then goes up to 58% completed or 'configuring IP', and thats it, any ideas?
[21:50] <mizipzor> is there a channel for kdevelep?
[21:50] <mizipzor> kdevelop*
[21:50] <Idrogeno> #kdevelop ...
[21:50] <mizipzor> oh... to obvious i guess
[22:11] <mizipzor> if i have installed physfs library, is there anyway to find out where the actual library file is?
[22:11] <mizipzor> whereis physfs tells me where the header is
[22:11] <rabiddachshund> I can't get any movies to play past the copyright notice
[22:12] <rabiddachshund> Kaffeine is the only player that even goes that far. Mplayer, Codeine and VLC won't even read the disks. What could be going on?
[22:17] <Machtin> hi guys!
[22:18] <mizipzor> Machtin: hi
[22:19] <Machtin> could someone tell me how to get quicklaunch icons to kde 4.1?
[22:28] <anom01y> how  do I convert wma to mp3 files ?
[22:28] <anom01y> lots of them ?
[22:28] <zabbadapp> rabiddachshund: do you have libdvdcss? http://www.medibuntu.org/packages.php
[22:29] <neofax> I cannot connect one folder in SAMBA.  I always get permission denied and nothing in my log files.
[22:30] <evgeny> hi whats the command to install compiz?
[22:33] <rabiddachshund> zabbadapp: probably not. I'm checking that link you sent and the error that it's giving in the OP is the error that I'm getting
[22:33] <Machtin> noone? :<
[22:34] <dobermann> Hi all
[22:34] <dobermann> бля тут Русские есть?
[22:35] <rabiddachshund> zabbadapp: edit: I had a different tab open and confused myself.
[22:35] <fanel> how could I get sound on my alpto
[22:35] <fanel> laptop
[22:35] <fanel> any experts here
[22:35] <zabbadapp> rabiddachshund: well, you can add medibuntus repos and install what you need, as described on that page
[22:35] <climatewarrior_> whose running kde 4.1 here?
[22:35] <fanel> in configuring sound>?
[22:35] <climatewarrior_> are you liking it so far?
[22:36] <sluckz> me
[22:36] <sluckz> 4.1 is the reason i put linux back on my laptop.
[22:37] <climatewarrior_> it looks preety prosmising. if it keeps this momentum it might actually beat mac in usabilty
[22:37] <climatewarrior_> not anytime soon
[22:37] <climatewarrior_> but one of this days
[22:37] <climatewarrior_> these
[22:37] <rabiddachshund> sluckz: does kubuntu use kde 4.1?
[22:37] <sluckz> the community remix
[22:38] <sluckz> and you can install next to 3.x
[22:39] <sluckz> well actually yes.  but the community remix defaults to 4.1
[22:39] <sluckz> sorry 4.0.xx somethin
[22:45] <dobermann> вы че все тут ебнутые что ли буржуи???
[22:54] <juandiego> my wifi Broadcom 43xx is detected by knetwork manager but I still can not get a connection as every time I try to do it asks for the password and then goes up to 58% or 'configuring IP', and then it just says tha connection failed and nothing else, any ideas?
[22:55] <sluckz> i went through that yesterday
[22:56] <sluckz> pain in the but.
[22:56] <juandiego> any painkiller you can recommend?
[22:57] <fanel> who konws a thing or two about configuring sound in ubuntu 8.04?
[22:57] <sluckz> well.  i followed the directions from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and that worked the best for me
[22:57] <sluckz> thats only as far as speed and stability though
[22:58] <sluckz> i did notice some dhcp issues when trying the different b*fwcutter stuff
[22:58] <mizipzor> its a little quiet in #kdevelop, so i ask here... when compiling and running a console program, is there anyway to get a window to see what the program actually prints? without actually starting it through konsole or something i mean
[23:06] <juandiego> whats dhcp issue?
[23:07] <juandiego> :)
[23:09] <sluckz> like yours hanging aroung 50-70% waiting for dhcp
[23:15] <oakbox> Hi all, I have a couple of different email addresses and I would like to access them all from one place but need to access them from both my desktop and laptop when im away from home.  I have a small box i use as a server and was wondering if there was a way of using that box to recieve all my emails from different accounts and then somehow connecting to my server to check all my emails at the same time where ever i am.
[23:15] <oakbox> Hope that makes sense, must have been done before can someone point me in the right direction?
[23:19] <sluckz> a simple way is to forward copys to gmail from each account.
[23:19] <sluckz> have you looked at fetchmail?
[23:20] <oakbox> hi havent looked at anything apart from a tutorail on setting up a mail server but that seems too much for what i need.  I will have a look though :)
[23:20] <sluckz> what do you use now?
[23:22] <oakbox> Well i have been using KMail to check emails but it doesnt work if i need the emails on desktop and away from home
[23:22] <oakbox> also cant check my hotmail through hotmail?
[23:23] <sluckz> well hotmail pretty much puposely keeps you from moving your mail to suite your needs
[23:24] <oakbox> true :)
[23:24] <sluckz> well for me i use NX to remote home in linux or remote desktop for windows
[23:25] <sluckz> most other solutions seem so overkill for my personal stuff although i like them.  scalix comes to mind.
[23:26] <oakbox> cool thanks for that i will have a read
[23:28] <denis> y wae
[23:29] <appletree> hi2all
[23:37] <oakbox> hi appletree
[23:41] <appletree> hi oakbox
[23:49] <oakbox> #ubuntu-server
[23:49] <oakbox> oops sorry
[23:50] <mizael> hola
[23:50] <mizael> hello
[23:51] <mizael> there is someone?
[23:57] <maltaethiron> Hey, a friend told me about a website where you could build custom repositories, anybody happen to know the site?  or one similar?


[00:03] <ari-tczew> when Robert Ancell works?
[00:04] <seb128_> ari-tczew, he's around but it's end of day
[00:04] <ari-tczew> seb128_: he usually works in night
[00:04] <ari-tczew> I guess
[00:04] <seb128_> ari-tczew, well he's in the u.s for work this week
[00:05] <seb128_> so no night hacking or anything, just office hours
[00:05] <seb128_> ari-tczew, just assign to the team and he or someone else will pick the tasks
[00:05] <ari-tczew> seb128_: merging from main he will take.
[00:06] <ari-tczew> seb128_: could you approve my merge request to gnome-user-share?
[00:06] <seb128_> ari-tczew, well he said you should assign to the team because it's easier to track
[00:06] <seb128_> ari-tczew, it's end of day now we are wrapping
[00:07] <coz_> hey guys ..who would I speak to about the  unity plugin icon in ccsm?
[00:08] <seb128_> coz_, open a bug on launchpad or ask on the #ayatana channel
[00:08] <coz_> seb128_,   ok  thanks
[00:08] <seb128_> but this week is probably not the best time to get a reply on IRC
[00:08] <seb128_> the unity team is having meetings during the week
[00:09] <coz_> seb128_, ah ok...I wondered hy #ayatana  was quiet
[00:11] <ari-tczew> seb128_: ok, I set ubuntu-desktop as pending review. do you will know that it's available and waiting?
[01:01]  * JackyAlcine be bracck
[11:32] <coz_> good day
[11:54] <milanbv> anybody around that cares about Nautilus in Lucid?
[11:54] <milanbv> we got a few reports about crashes when ejecting drives, which are not yet fixed
[11:54] <milanbv> Cosimo Cecchi said we need another upstream patch
[11:55] <milanbv> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/683972
[11:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683972 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() ejecting drives (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 56)" [Medium,Triaged]
[11:55] <coz_> now that is a beautiful name   "Cosimo Checchi"  :)
[11:56] <milanbv> ? :-)
[11:56] <milanbv> not Checchi
[11:57] <coz_> oh?
[11:57] <coz_> milanbv,   that is not his full name?
[11:58] <coz_> milanbv,   ah I see what I did  I understand now
[11:59] <milanbv> hard to spell
[11:59] <coz_> milanbv,  well  for me its just my big fingers  lol
[12:00] <coz_> milanbv,  and I pronounced it in my head  and then spelled it nearly  the way it sounds
[15:47] <TheMuso> 5~/quit
[15:48] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, did you finish those gobject bindings with bratsch?
[15:48] <rickspencer3> j/k
[15:48] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, haha :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, about to start :)
[15:49] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, no pressure huh?
[15:49] <kenvandine> :-p
[15:49] <rickspencer3> ok, so 5 minutes?
[15:49] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, 2 maybe 3 minutes :)
[15:49] <stanman> hi anyone got mythtv backend running on ubu?
[15:49] <rickspencer3> kewl
[15:49] <kenvandine> that's just how i roll
[15:50] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[15:50] <stanman> just wondering if i'd could be done
[15:50] <rickspencer3> hey pitti
[15:50] <pitti> rickspencer3: from the next run on, our WI reports will have textual statistics
[15:50] <rickspencer3> pitti, nice
[15:50] <pitti> rickspencer3: i. e. by-date done/todo with deltas
[15:51] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti, you're the bestest
[15:51] <kenvandine> stanman, probably best to ask in #ubuntu
[15:52] <rickspencer3> stanman, this channel is used by the developers making ubuntu desktop, so the support is more around packaging and coding
[15:52] <stanman> i see
[15:52] <rickspencer3> though you are more than welcome to hang out, of course
[15:52] <stanman> lol
[15:52] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:53] <stanman> don' t think i'll be much of help for you guys
[15:53] <rickspencer3> not trying to chase you away, just saying, we probably don't know the answer to your question
[15:53] <stanman> :)
[15:53] <rickspencer3> stanman, if you're still stuck after a couple of days, PM me, and I'll see if I can find someone to help you later in the week
[15:53] <stanman> new to linux, started with ubuntu and have it running on several pc' s and laptops, i love it!
[15:54] <rickspencer3> stanman, great to hear! welcome
[15:54] <stanman> removed windows ;-)
[16:26] <pitti> rickspencer3: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/all.html
[16:26] <pitti> rickspencer3: (or other team pages)
[16:27] <pitti> rickspencer3: the bottom of the page has the statistics and deltas
[16:35] <rickspencer3> pitti, nice
[16:40] <granjero> hi, does anyone knows how to block right click on desktop and panels in ubuntu 10.04?
[16:45] <mterry> kenvandine, heyo, do you know why libindicator isn't in the gdbus migration PPA?
[16:46] <kenvandine> mterry, because i haven't uploaded it yet :)
[16:46] <kenvandine> helping bratsche out now, but will do it in a few
[16:47] <mterry> kenvandine, ah, cool
[17:09] <pitti> TheMuso: ah nice, you can build mousetweaks 3.0 against gtk2? that won't cause problems with gsettings, etc?
[17:10] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks for this!
[17:14] <granjero> hi, does anyone knows how to block right click on desktop or at least block the acces to appearance propierties?
[17:18] <dobey> granjero, you should ask in #ubuntu probably, this is a development channel, but i think you can lock the keys i would guess
[18:31] <TheMuso> pitti: I don't think so.
[18:36] <ebroder> is there any way to build a UI with a GtkComboBoxText widget that GNOME upstream would accept? it looks like they don't want .ui files that can't be edited in glade, but afaict glade only knows about GtkComboBox
[21:28] <aphrek> hi all
[21:28] <aphrek> I'm looking for a panel item that displays network bandwidth in kb or similar - any suggestions?
[21:45] <robert_ancell> rodrigo_, hey
[21:49] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: hello!
[21:49] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, hey
[21:51] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I've requested some merges
[21:54] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, yeah, I saw.  I'll have  a look later.  Please send them to ~ubuntu-desktop in the future - it's easier to see them and anyone in the team can upload them
[21:55] <ari-tczew> ok
[21:59] <kenvandine> sigh...
[22:00] <bcurtiswx> hows the meeting going?
[22:02] <seb128> kenvandine, what's going on?
[22:02] <kenvandine> seb128, fun with broken libraries
[22:02] <kenvandine> on a frankenstein system
[22:02] <kenvandine> :)
[22:03] <seb128> hehe
[22:04] <ari-tczew> seb128: I have prepared a merge of seahorse-plugins. would you like sponsor it?
[22:04] <seb128> ari-tczew, just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[22:06] <kenvandine> whew
[22:06] <ari-tczew> seb128: I asked you because I saw that you've huge involvement in this package.
[22:07] <kenvandine> ok... i am now limited to indicator-datetime and indicator-session
[22:07] <kenvandine> until we finish porting the indicators :)
[22:07] <seb128> not especially, it's just in the GNOME set
[22:08] <seb128> kenvandine, you should stop doing IRC and get those rolling ;è)
[22:08] <seb128> ;-)
[22:08] <kenvandine> yeah... indeed
[22:09] <kenvandine> today has been a string of distractions... but now that libindicator has been ported to gdbus, there is no going back!
[22:10] <seb128> kenvandine, do you need some help on something?
[22:11] <kenvandine> seb128, nah... mterry is rocking it!
[22:11] <seb128> ok, great
[22:11] <kenvandine> i've been getting the packages all in the ppa
[22:11] <kenvandine> and merging branches for ted
[22:11] <seb128> sladen, the bug you just reassigned to libdbusmenu is not one
[22:11] <fta> aphrek, netspeed in universe
[22:12] <seb128> sladen, it's just because the environment variable is unset by the wrapper
[22:14] <seb128> brb
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, don't do a dbusmenu release until i've got my firefox menu patch in ;)
[22:19] <aphrek> thanks fta
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> (assuming that's part of what you're working on) ;)
[22:21] <fta> is there a fix/workaround for the sound indicator? (broken since last week)
[22:24] <mdeslaur> robert_ancell: I just noticed you uploaded webkit 1.3.9 to natty...do you have a few minutes to talk about webkit ABI and maintenance?
[22:24] <robert_ancell> mdeslaur, sure
[22:25] <mdeslaur> robert_ancell: what room are you in? me and micahg will join you
[22:25] <robert_ancell> Lone Star 2
[22:41] <nessita> jasoncwarner, jasoncwarner1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/690227
[22:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690227 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[MIR] ubuntuone-control-panel (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [High,New]
[23:18] <TheMuso> Since we are not using gtk3, can I safely assume we are not going to be using gnome-settings-daemon 3.0?
[23:19] <ebroder> TheMuso: yes, according to what seb128 told me a few days ago
[23:20] <TheMuso> ebroder: Thanks.
[23:24] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: are you able to sponsor yaboot merge? (main)
[23:24] <dobey> james_w, ping
[23:27] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: Not currently, maybe later when I have time.
[23:27] <dobey> james_w, nevermind
[23:27] <james_w> dobey, ok :-)
[23:33] <mterry> kenvandine, lp:~mterry/indicator-application/gdbus
[23:33] <kenvandine> mterry, thx


[07:31] <theShirbiny> Morning Africa :)
[08:37] <elacheche> Morning folks
[08:50] <CraigZim> Morning all


[00:00] <hamitron> well
[00:00] <hamitron> it is gonna be win95c, win98se or winME
[00:00] <hamitron> not decided
[00:00] <hamitron> but it has to be for old games
[00:00] <hamitron> :)
[00:01] <hamitron> maybe a mix of them
[00:01] <hamitron> gonna use 2 x voodoo2 as well
[00:02] <lucid> Filthy
[00:03] <lucid> Will it powered by Hamster or Intel?
[00:03] <hamitron> AMD K6-2 500MHz
[00:03] <lucid> Filthy
[00:04] <hamitron> 384MB PC100 memory
[00:04] <hamitron> ;/
[00:05] <lucid> You know you love it
[00:05] <hamitron> ofc
[00:05] <hamitron> first PC I built
[00:05] <hamitron> :)
[00:07] <lucid> You have a fetish problem my friend :D
[00:07] <hamitron> hey
[00:08] <hamitron> all I want is 1 PC and 1 OS to do everything I want
[00:08] <hamitron> it just doesn't seem possible :/
[00:09] <lucid> Only god know's your trouble's......
[00:10] <hamitron> anyways
[00:10] <hamitron> better get sleep
[00:10] <hamitron> o/
[00:10] <lucid> Indeedy mate cheers for the laugh :D
[00:10] <lucid> Gonna continue my detox struggle :)
[00:13] <lucid> The only way to stay off roll up's is....... Nicotine patch & Coffee while I catalogue my entire book collection. :/
[00:14] <lucid> Thank you silent party. Good Night. :)
[00:53] <ali1234> i bought uplink on humb bundle 3 for android
[00:53] <ali1234> this game has an option to change the screen resolution
[00:53] <ali1234> but it *only* changes the screen resolution, not the size of the UI
[00:53] <ali1234> so half the game is off the screen
[00:53] <ali1234> this is a joke
[00:53] <Azelphur> lol
[00:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: is that bundle still up?
[00:54] <ali1234> no
[00:54] <Azelphur> aw :p
[00:54] <ali1234> $9.99 on software centre
[00:54] <Azelphur> daylight robbery
[00:54] <ali1234> for a completely unplayable game
[00:54] <ali1234> their tech support forums only have other users
[00:55] <ali1234> and they recommend hacking xorg.conf to fix it
[00:56] <ali1234> time to make yet another software wrapper to feed the corect values to badly written proprietary software
[00:56] <ali1234> the worst part of it is that the UI has this cool sliding effect so you can see the UI for a second as it slides off the right side of the screen
[01:01] <Azelphur> \o/
[01:03] <ali1234> running it in xephyr seems to work
[06:31] <christel> GOOD MORNING
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:04] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:06] <christel> morning alarmbell
[07:26] <daubers> o/
[07:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:33] <mattt> ohaaieee
[07:49] <hoover> morning folks
[08:05] <czajkowski> morning folks
[08:06] <spadders> Hi guys, I ran memtest overnight as requested, here's a pic of the results http://imagebin.org/227869
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> that looks.. scary
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> or at least corrupted
[08:07] <SuperMatt> spadders: I'd get yourself some more memory!
[08:12] <spadders> I have found out since picking it up, that it had a second memory stick added
[08:12] <spadders> I think it was 1gb ram originally
[08:13] <spadders> it is only needed for homework, a bit of browsing and social networking
[08:13] <spadders> when you say more memory, do you mean instead of, or additional to
[08:15] <mungojerry> upload speed 160Mbit/s not bad :D
[08:16] <spadders> supermatt : when you say more memory, do you mean instead of, or additional to
[08:18] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, people! :-D
[08:19] <spadders> So, should I try running this test with each memory stick seperately?
[08:20] <SuperMatt> spadders: well, with all that red, I would say instead of
[08:22] <spadders> supermatt: I've never even seen memtest before, so relying on your expertise and advice.  Would it be worth running the test again with each memory module individually?
[08:23] <AlanBell> spadders: worth a try certainly
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> also try re-seating the memory -- sometimes it "comes loose" and contacts are bad
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> I've had PCs with "bad memory" which fixed itself after just pushing it back in a bit
[08:33] <hoover> Same here... repositioning the memory sticks usually helps
[08:37] <mungojerry> cool story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200559/Adam-Cudworth-Student-takes-stunning-snaps-space-using-30-second-hand-camera-balloon.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
[08:37] <hoover> brb
[08:38] <mungojerry> i see a few more of these projects due to raspberry pi. doesn't say he used rpi but others have
[08:39] <directhex> mmm pies
[08:40] <mungojerry> bit early for pies
[08:47] <mungojerry> popey, you should get that fella on the UUPC ..he uses ubuntu :P
[08:51] <mattt> never too early for a pie
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> π !
[08:56] <mungojerry> i'm fasting this morning, no food till lunch
[08:57] <pinky-> did you watch this weeks eposode of Horizon about fasting and living longer?
[08:57] <pinky-> reducing the risks of cancer too
[08:57] <pinky-> episode*
[08:58] <spadders> looks like ram is FUBAR
[08:59] <mungojerry> pinky-, i'm underweight so i have to be careful
[08:59] <mungojerry> i'd probably faint if i fasted for longer
[08:59] <mungojerry> since it adds up to around 16hrs including sleep
[09:02] <mungojerry> but i didn't see the programme
[09:02] <pinky-> ok
[09:07] <pinky-> if you ever get 1 hour spare time its worth a watch:) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/sign/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07] <pinky-> good morning to you too
[09:08] <brobostigon> good morning pinky-
[09:13] <pinky-> basically the docu says that eating protien all time puts certain chemicles in your body to 'go go go' mode and as the body builds fast if any errors are made in the dna cancers are liable to happens.. but if you fast the chems go from 'go go go' mode to 'repair' mode and you are liable to live 30 years longer if you fast regular
[09:14] <pinky-> the guy in the docu ended up on a 5 on 2 off days eating regime
[09:15] <pinky-> ^^ added that incase you never watch at some time
[09:16] <pinky-> anyway.. very interesting
[09:18] <JohnRobert> hmm
[09:18] <JohnRobert> well anyone who stays fit and eats healthily stands a much better chance of living longer than someone who doesn't
[09:19] <pinky-> they say fasting reducing to risk of cancer by a miilion to one
[09:19] <pinky-> if you fast you will never develope cancers
[09:20] <pinky-> ..well that's what they stated in the above docu ^^
[09:22] <czajkowski> JohnRobert: I think it varies, mates mum is very healthy and has just been told she has stage 3 lung cancer, so I'm sure just being fit and eating healthy doesnt just cut it
[09:24] <pinky-> they also say fasting reduces your risk to stroke to 0
[09:27] <BigRedS> fit and healthy's also a good deal less fun than chocolate and beer
[09:33] <mattt> pinky-: interesting link
[09:33] <pinky-> ty
[09:34] <pinky-> yeah when I watched it made me raise an eyebrow and I've played it since for a friend
[09:34] <pinky-> made me pay attention too:)
[09:34] <BigRedS> spadders: aha! Annoying as it is, that's one of the cheaper things that was likely to be causing the problem
[09:34] <pinky-> all about reducing 'igf1' in the body
[09:38] <spadders> bigred: At least I know what it is now, and can order some new ram.  Will let you know how I get on
[09:45] <BigRedS> spadders: it might be worth taking out one stick at a time and retesting - it may well be only one bad stick
[09:45] <BigRedS> (if you've multiple sticks)
[09:45] <BigRedS> buit
[09:46] <BigRedS> but only really if you've the time/power to spend on running memtest a couple more times, or patience to start using it and maybe have it panic again
[09:46] <spadders> Bigred: it has 1x 2gb memory, which may be the problem anyway
[09:46] <popey> what make/model of laptop is it?
[09:47] <spadders> Bigred: I think it can only take max 1gb per channel
[09:47] <BigRedS> Ah, fair enough, no chance of splitting it then. 2GB RAM is plenty, and memory exhaustion doesn't case panics
[09:47] <BigRedS> you'd get the out-of-memory killer (or oom-killer to its friends) killing apparently arbitrary tasks off instead
[09:47] <BigRedS> ah! Yeah 1GB is perhaps a little short
[09:47] <spadders> It's an Acer Aspire 5315 series, model no icl50
[09:49] <popey> looks like it only has one slot
[09:49] <popey> http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Aspire%205310&Cat=RAM
[09:49] <spadders> there are 2 slots
[09:49] <popey> oh, 2
[09:49] <popey> "Each memory slot can hold DDR2 PC2-5300 with a maximum of 1GB per slot.* "
[09:50] <spadders> ah, I see
[09:50] <spadders> would I be better trying 2 x 1gb, or 1 x 2gb?
[09:51] <bittin^work> yo
[09:52] <pinky-> spadders : your pc is single channel ram so I would say a 1 x 2gb might have slightly faster latency
[09:52] <popey> spadders, 2x1G
[09:52] <pinky-> oh
[09:53] <pinky-> ok ignore me
[09:53] <spadders> lol, ok
[09:54] <pinky-> :)
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <bittin^work> Morning
[10:04] <davmor2> Mez: once again thanks for organising the jam :)
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: I managed to captcha a video of the square on the rhythmbox play button bug
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: it looks to me like there is a specific point that triggers it
[10:08] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1047473
[10:11] <popey> i can't reproduce it davmor2
[10:11] <popey> can you reproduce in a guest session?
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: I'll have a look in a bit for you
[10:16] <czajkowski> popey: any logical reason for
[10:16] <czajkowski> 1901 czajkows  20   0  121m 3356 2800 R  84.6  0.1   0:54.88 at-spi2-registr    1944 czajkows  20   0  426m  14m 9.8m S  75.2  0.2   0:48.67 polkit-gnome-au
[10:17] <popey> que?
[10:17] <czajkowski> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196393/
[10:17] <czajkowski> easier to read
[10:17] <popey> can you paste the whole thing?
[10:17] <czajkowski> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196395/
[10:18] <popey> bug 729827 perhaps?
[10:19] <popey> could be a regession
[10:19] <czajkowski> ah
[10:19] <czajkowski> had never seen the at-spi before
[10:19] <czajkowski> machine has been unuable for the last few mins
[10:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: I blame AlanBell, just cause he looks at a11y :D
[10:20] <czajkowski> i cant change any of the bug status to new again
[10:20] <AlanBell> I blame all those other processes that are high
[10:20] <czajkowski> should I just leave a comment
[10:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: at-spi is the a11y layer
[10:20] <AlanBell> I don't think it is that bug
[10:20] <czajkowski> AlanBell: I call me not being able to use my machine and a cpu usuage that high a bug :)
[10:21] <popey> czajkowski, file a new bug
[10:21] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a bug, just not that one
[10:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: it will need a new bug that one was for natty so although it might be similar I doubt it is identical
[10:22] <AlanBell> everything is high on that page, at-spi2 happens to be highest, but I don't think it is the cause of the stress
[10:22] <czajkowski> hmm cant file it against reigistry
[10:23] <czajkowski> at-spi2-core at-spi2-core-dbg
[10:23] <AlanBell> at-spi2-core if you want to
[10:24] <AlanBell> the problem is compiz/xorg/unity or something like that
[10:24] <AlanBell> or thunderbird
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> Oooh
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> WANT
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=153
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> a new gvfsd-mtp implementation that's sane
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. it doesn't try to enumerate all files on the device at mount-time, causing timeouts on android)
[10:33] <JohnRobert> heh
[10:33] <JohnRobert> that's the most annoying thing about my phone
[10:33] <JohnRobert> 'scanning filesystem'
[10:33] <JohnRobert> phone grinds to a halt
[10:33] <JohnRobert> what's annoying is that it does that even if it's plugged into a charger
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> JohnRobert: the new Android phones are all MTP-based.. and I can't get it to work properly on Linux because of the timeouts :(
[10:34] <JohnRobert> hmm
[10:37] <mungojerry> never seen that problem
[10:37] <mungojerry> i guess i don't plug my tablet in enough
[10:57] <popey> me neither
[11:04] <mattt> pinky-: watched that, quite interesting
[11:05] <pinky-> cool
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: but your's is all covered by libpod surely?  Is that the i-stuff library?
[11:13] <pinky-> longer answer => yeah I also thought so so mentioned.. somebody mentioned fasting and it triggered the response
[11:13] <mungojerry> is a 16hr fast sufficient or need longer?
[11:14] <mungojerry> to reap benefits?
[11:14] <pinky-> they said in the docu it's not healthy for somebody who is alreay under weight
[11:14] <pinky-> already*
[11:14] <mungojerry> :(
[11:14] <popey> davmor2, true, i rarely plug the phone in though, i use U1 to sync my photos
[11:15] <mungojerry> i agree but i'm doing it for spiritual reasons, so any health effects are just a bonus
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: ditto
[11:16] <davmor2> it's just easier :D
[11:17] <czajkowski> I cant  connect phone to laptop any more since I upgraded to jellybean which is kinda irksome
[11:17] <Laney> wow, brains are weird
[11:17] <Laney> I was typing one command and thinking of another
[11:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: yes you can you just need to set the portal mode
[11:17] <Laney> and they ended up interspersed perfectly
[11:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: that what now?
[11:18] <czajkowski> I used droid air to get some stuff off it, but I want to put stuff on it which was where I used to connect
[11:18] <gord> they use some silly new format don't they?
[11:20] <mungojerry> does unity work as quick as this for you guys? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KMXK_ZzT9-8
[11:21] <mungojerry> wondering if something about elementary is very fast, or he has a super duper PC
[11:21] <popey> oh look, elementary took our design for unity spread
[11:22] <czajkowski> hah
[11:22] <bittin^work> iam a unity hater so i dunno
[11:22] <czajkowski> mungojerry: mine is pretty fast
[11:23] <popey> its as fast as that on my intel machine
[11:24] <mungojerry> i tried a nightly build of elementary the other day, it seems v nice desktop (esp. the launcher etc) , but the apps are not ready yet
[11:29] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40645538@N00/6697633711
[11:30] <popey> todays randomly chosen desktop
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> cool :)
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> How does it choose?
[11:30] <bittin^work> popey, =)
[11:30] <bittin^work> i got some Windows 8 standard wallpaper to tired to change
[11:30] <popey> no idea :)
[11:30] <popey> i am using a tool called "variety" which is in the software centre
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: what are you using to change it, then? :)
[11:31] <popey> I'm just using default settings
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> $ LC_ALL=C apt-cache show variety
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> N: Unable to locate package variety
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> great
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> Can't start software-center, "the bug has already been reported" but I get a "Page not found" error when it opens the bug in a browser
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> go go launchpad
[11:33] <bittin^work> :p
[11:36] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, private bug?
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: probably, but it's not telling me that
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> it says "Page not found"
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> which I interpret as 404, not 403 "Forbidden"
[11:38] <mungojerry> popey, does variety give the correct attributes to the photo?
[11:39] <popey> attributes?
[11:39] <czajkowski> BigRedS: I got the webapps I think working following http://ubuntulife.net/how-to-install-ubuntu-webapps-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[11:39] <czajkowski> semeingly by default they will be in 12.10
[11:39] <popey> MartijnVdS, apt-cache show != USC
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: but USC won't start
[11:39] <mungojerry> popey, i mean the photo credit of the author
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: because of that "private" bug I can't see
[11:40] <popey> not on the screen, no, but you can press a button to click through
[11:40] <popey> i.e. it retains the source link it came from
[11:41] <mungojerry> ah ok
[11:41] <mungojerry> are the links always flickr ones?
[11:41] <popey> no
[11:41] <popey> there's lots of options for where to get images from
[11:41] <popey> czajkowski, i wouldn't use that ppa
[11:42] <czajkowski> no
[11:42] <czajkowski> why ?
[11:42] <popey> because webapps are in the repo now
[11:42] <czajkowski> ah
[11:42] <BigRedS> czajkowski: ah, cool. I've just got a new drive for my laptop, so I'll probably install 12.10 on that this eve
[11:42] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: sudo /usr/share/software-center/update-software-center
[11:43] <popey> BigRedS, ssd or rust?
[11:43] <BigRedS> rust
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: does that fix the unicodedecodeerror?
[11:43] <BigRedS> I pondered bying an SSD, but work just gave me a rusty one and free beats pay-for
[11:44] <BigRedS> also, it's 250GB which I wasn't going to get out of SSD
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it does not fix it.
[11:44] <czajkowski> hmmm
[11:44] <czajkowski> maybe not
[11:44] <czajkowski> feck
[11:44] <popey> /dev/sda1            213G  178G   25G  89% /
[11:44] <popey> ^^ SSD :)
[11:44] <popey> 240GB SSDs have come down in price
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: LC_ALL=C software-center works
[11:44] <czajkowski> something happening
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> \o/ huge SSDs
[11:45] <czajkowski> but not sure it worked
[11:45] <BigRedS> I'm hoping that a not-broken rusty drive will cause a noticeable upgrade here
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: What are you using on that? btrfs? ext4?
[11:45] <BigRedS> and then next time I want an upgrade I can go SSD :)
[11:45] <popey> ext4
[11:45] <popey> MartijnVdS, whats the error you get, we can try and find the private bug
[11:45] <BigRedS> oh, also, I'd go up to ext4 on this
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1047295
[11:45] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: can you run usc from the terminal and paste the ouput some where mvo will be interested in this I think
[11:45] <popey> tempted to go btrfs on my next install
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I've found a public bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1047281
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: that's the error I get
[11:46] <popey> hmm, i see nothing private on that bug
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: but lubotu3 and I can't see it.. you must be special :)
[11:47] <popey> try now?
[11:47] <xnox> popey: btrfs.... I am pondering about doing that as well. I am currently on crypt+lvm
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> popey:  worky!
[11:47] <popey> \o/
[11:47]  * MartijnVdS has btrfs on SSD
[11:47] <xnox> popey: next step for me is degraded (hotplugging usb) raid + crypt + lvm
[11:47]  * xnox ponders about migrating to UEFI boot, cause my laptop supports it.
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> popey: the software center log (which packages were installed) might be private about that bug
[11:48] <ixxvil> hi
[11:48] <BigRedS> xnox: new things are bad. Come to Debian. :)
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: install Lucid then ;)
[11:48] <ixxvil> how do you give permissions to a user to use a dir but not the other  subdirs within it?
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: read or write?
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: if you give someone write permission to a dir, they can change permission on things in it
[11:49] <ixxvil> well he should be able to write whatever he wants to the dir
[11:49] <xnox> BigRedS: which things are new? UEFI? /me was using it since 2006 on most laptops, but this current one.
[11:49] <ixxvil> just to the other subdirs
[11:49] <ixxvil> just not to the other subdirs
[11:49] <xnox> BigRedS: and I am a DD ;-) so I am in Debian =)
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: man chmod explains everything about UNIX permissions and what can/can't be done
[11:50] <ixxvil> well ive been there
[11:50] <ixxvil> was just looking for the command to get it right
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: you could make the dir owned by root, group <some group the user is part of>, mark the directory +t (sticky, like /tmp)
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: then make the "unchangeable" dirs owned by root:root
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> that should do the trick
[11:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: thanks I've made the team aware of it
[11:50] <ixxvil> whats root:root?
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: user root, group root
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: "not the user you're restricting" basically :)
[11:52] <ixxvil> ok :d but whats te command to do this
[11:52] <ixxvil> :D
[11:52] <ixxvil> well basically
[11:53] <ixxvil> i want my web dev tohave acces too the /var/www
[11:53] <ixxvil> just to www
[11:53] <ixxvil> but www/ has a bunch of other dirs in it that i dont want him to have any access to
[11:53] <BigRedS> ixxvil: generally, the easier way to do this is to have a unix user for each site, and have the web dev use that unix user
[11:53] <czajkowski> popey: is this norm - http://ubuntuone.com/0QOGH6Ellpy9ZjqzaTgLzR
[11:54] <ixxvil> well i created an acct for him
[11:54] <BigRedS> then this is all done automatically, and you get proper segregation of files and of scp/ssh access and suchlike.
[11:54] <BigRedS> yeah, but put the site in ~/public_html, not in /var/www
[11:54] <ixxvil> and his home dir stuff goes in /sftp/user
[11:54] <BigRedS> and then he can have logs in ~/logs/
[11:55] <BigRedS> and all that; having several per-user subdirectories is just setting yourself up for ridiculous fs permissions for no real benefit
[11:55] <popey> czajkowski, thats the webapps notification thing
[11:55] <ixxvil> well theres only 1 guy who has to use this
[11:55] <BigRedS> (like /sftp/user /var/www/user /var/logs/user etc.)
[11:55] <ixxvil> so i have no qualms setting it up
[11:55] <popey> czajkowski, but I don't understand your question
[11:56] <ixxvil> well any user created is automaticcallysent to sftp/
[11:56] <czajkowski> popey: sorry got distracted by other window
[11:56] <czajkowski> popey: so I go to the envelope thiny and don't see any notifications for any of the sites Ive clicked it to be used on aka fb and twitter
[11:57] <czajkowski> so wondering if I am missing something
[11:58] <popey> are you currently logged into those sites in chromium?
[11:58] <popey> i.e. have a browser window open for fb/twitter
[11:59] <ixxvil> BigRedS: i just wanna give him permissions to only www and not the rest in it
[11:59] <ixxvil> not sure how i create public_htmla nd stuff
[11:59] <czajkowski> popey: yes
[11:59] <czajkowski> Ive only just logged in mind
[11:59] <czajkowski> as I restarted the browser
[11:59] <popey> you only see notifications once you have the integrated (icons in the launcher) and logged in
[12:00] <czajkowski> oh
[12:01] <ixxvil> ln -s ~yourid/public ~yourid/public_html
[12:01] <ixxvil> that the way to create a public_html?
[12:02] <popey> so basically, 1) install the webapps stuff, 2) launch chromium, 3) visit facebook etc and login, 4) click the integration option, 5) that's it. leave browser windows open for each app
[12:03] <czajkowski> ah could be the intergratioj bit I'm missing
[12:04] <mungojerry> popey, re: variety, i see lots of sources (flickr, facebook?, wallbase, wallpapersnet) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~peterlevi/variety/trunk/files/head:/variety/
[12:05] <czajkowski> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I HAVE IT NOW!
[12:05] <czajkowski> cheer popey
[12:06] <Laney> hip hip
[12:06] <mungojerry> \o/
[12:06] <BigRedS> does it need to be chromium to make them work?
[12:06] <czajkowski> Laney: now you just need your spinny spin chair!
[12:06] <Laney> I have one at home too :-)
[12:07] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/245131316545335298/photo/1
[12:07] <czajkowski> see along side the icons
[12:08] <popey> BigRedS, until we get the firefox package done, yes
[12:08] <czajkowski> I thought for some unknown reason it would appear under the envelope
[12:09] <czajkowski> as not sure why I still have to have a browser open wit the page.
[12:09] <BigRedS> popey: ah, cool
[12:10] <davmor2> Laney: it's not done right if you don't sing the spinny song while you do it.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUatnbaNfEo :D
[12:10] <popey> oh man, this dynamic wallpaper thing makes me hungry!
[12:10] <popey> http://wallpapers.net/fresh_salad-wallpapers.html
[12:19] <mungojerry> how do graze make those rubberized bananas?
[12:25] <popey> dried, low oven temp I imagine
[12:26] <davmor2> mungojerry: grow banana and rubber trees close together :D
[12:27] <mungojerry> they aren't the crunchy ones
[12:28] <popey> oh, which ones?
[12:29] <popey> link on graze.com?
[12:49] <mungojerry> beach bum http://d3ckgugpyj5kdi.cloudfront.net/1090/16.jpg
[12:50] <mungojerry> the best one i've tasted from graze was cherry bakewell. they had cherry infused raisins
[12:53] <popey> http://www.tammysrecipes.com/node/1122
[12:54] <popey> looks like they used a dehydrator
[12:57] <mungojerry> rather nice as i can't eat normal banana without gagging
[13:04] <popey> why?
[13:05] <popey> guess it must be the texture, not the taste :)
[13:08] <mungojerry> yes
[13:09] <mungojerry> i love nearly all fruit, and i love banana flavour, but to eat it raw, i can only eat it with carnation evaporated milk over it, and sugar.
[13:09] <mungojerry> otherwise i gag on raw banana when it sticks in my throat
[13:10] <mungojerry> actually before then, it's when it's in my mouth and i'm chewing it
[13:11] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[13:12] <popey> how odd
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: chew first! Don't stick it in your throat all at once :)
[13:12] <bigcalm> I feel I'm missing out on the best conversations
[13:13] <mungojerry> my son didn't inherit my weirdness since he eats a banana every single day at brekky
[13:13] <mungojerry> he's probably radioactive by now
[13:13] <gord> i also love banana taste but can't eat it
[13:13] <gord> its disgusting
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5869671221/
[13:14] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:14] <bigcalm> I remember when all mini figs were happy people
[13:15] <christel> :o
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I even got a letter from Lego Netherlands once stating that that was policy :)
[13:15] <mungojerry> yay gord \o/
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but that was in the mid-80s
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> christel: hm? :)
[13:15]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[13:15] <mungojerry> have you tried with evap milk and sugar on top of slices?
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> christel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5894757684/
[13:15] <davmor2> mungojerry: do you live on acacia row?  does he wear a lot of yellow......etc
[13:15] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it's a shame that some things change
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Everything to rake in more monies
[13:16] <bigcalm> Yus
[13:16] <czajkowski> figroll biscusits 4 in bowl add in some custard, bung in microwave for 1 mins, = yummy desert
[13:16] <bigcalm> Well, business have to adapt with the times
[13:16] <bigcalm> czajkowski: break up the fig rolls 1st?
[13:17] <gord> figroll biscuits, 4 in a bowl., eat them all instantly. yummy
[13:17] <czajkowski> bigcalm: NO!
[13:17] <gord> then put more figroll biscuits in
[13:17] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:17] <czajkowski> you can kinda break them up with the custard nice and wam
[13:17] <czajkowski> *warm
[13:17] <czajkowski> and mushy
[13:17] <czajkowski> yummy
[13:17] <czajkowski> used to get it at Irish college
[13:17] <popey> mmmm figs
[13:17] <popey>  \o/
[13:18] <popey>  (.).oO( PARP!)
[13:18] <popey>  | |
[13:18] <czajkowski> and custard
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://clonekeenplus.sourceforge.net/img/keen4play1.jpg
[13:18] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:18] <davmor2> popey: you love beans, you can't blag me that it was the figs that made you do that :D
[13:19] <christel> MartijnVdS: aww
[13:19] <gord> not figs :P fig biscuits!
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> christel: poor minifig?
[13:20]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause I haven't today
[13:20] <popey> ooooh! MartijnVdS
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: That's the sound I picture every time I read "PARP" :)
[13:21] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I see the lego man lost at sea but I hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb8t3Lt8iJw
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: haha :)
[13:23]  * davmor2 move bigcalm's tickle stick from christel to czajkowski and waits for the scream and consequent beating
[13:23] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgClLSPmzP4
[13:23] <czajkowski> >:(
[13:24] <popey> can someone on 12.10 confirm bug 1048640
[13:24] <davmor2> that or the scary face
[13:24] <bigcalm> And back to work - toodles
[13:25] <davmor2> wow bigcalm has lost boys working for him
[13:29]  * popey tickles czajkowski
[13:29]  * czajkowski peers at popey this is not a good thing to do
[13:29] <popey> look up at that bug
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> peer 2 peers?
[13:29] <popey> easy to confirm :)
[13:29] <czajkowski> oh right
[13:30] <czajkowski> done
[13:31] <popey> ta
[13:32] <czajkowski> why they all can't be that simple
[13:32] <czajkowski> popey: any idea who to poke re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/1048041
[13:33] <czajkowski> anyone want to earn some LP karma
[13:34] <czajkowski> help some users
[13:34] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208155
[13:34] <AlanBell> interesting that the shortcuts overlay appears on the monitor that the mouse is on, but the dash always involves a trek over to the left of the leftmost monitor
[13:34] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/208075
[13:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: it shows a lightning bolt when it is charging a full battery when it is charged and shows it discharging, you can click it and find out how long to charg or just remove the lead to get an idea
[13:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: what more do you need :D
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> you can change preferences to add a timer
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> countdown to charged when plugged in, countdown to discharged when unplugged
[13:35] <czajkowski> it's always showing a lignint bolt when plugged in
[13:35] <czajkowski> *shown
[13:36] <AlanBell> is it 100% charged czajkowski?
[13:36] <popey> AlanBell, i dont get that
[13:36] <popey> maybe the battery is reporting incorrect status
[13:36] <AlanBell> popey: which? the shortcut overlay following the mouse?
[13:36] <popey> or it's knackered
[13:37] <popey> the dash on wrong screen
[13:37] <popey> oh, you have launcher on only one screen?
[13:37] <czajkowski> it's charged
[13:37] <popey> how do you know its charged?
[13:37] <popey> my laptop has been plugged in all night and shows lightning now
[13:37] <popey> so i see same issue
[13:37] <AlanBell> I have a launcher on both screens (it does that whether I tell it to or not)
[13:38] <czajkowski> popey: aye that's what it used to be like, but as it's saying charged it doesnt show the lighting bold
[13:38] <czajkowski> unplug it
[13:38] <davmor2> popey: did you play about with the usb headphones by the way?
[13:38] <czajkowski> and says discharging
[13:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: Mez did a fresh install and marked that as a bug because on a fully charged machine it didn't show the fact that it was plugged in any more at all which made him wonder if the charger was broken
[13:46] <AlanBell> czajkowski: if you leave it unplugged for 10 minutes or so then plug it in it should say it is charging
[13:46] <meet> how do i change the position of the notifications of chat un 12.04?
[13:46] <davmor2> popey: why do I get a load of browser windows popup with Authentication completed, please close this window.  I'm assuming a partial but not yet complete intgrated web experience is to blame or empathy is triggering something incorrectly
[13:47] <popey> davmor2, not yet
[13:48] <davmor2> popey: empathy is doing something wrong then
[13:50] <meet> how do i change the position of desktop notifications  in 12.04?
[13:51] <AlanBell> meet: short of recompiling notify-osd with different hardcoded positions that is hard to do
[13:53] <meet> alanbell: no easy workaround? because for 11.10 i had it at the bottom
[13:55] <meet> AlanBell: btw what are those messages called?
[13:55] <AlanBell> notifications
[14:11] <AlanBell> oddly enough notifications do support a different position
[14:11] <AlanBell> gsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd gravity 2
[14:11] <AlanBell> will set them to gravity_east which is halfway up the right of the screen (where halfway is defined by the total height of all screens together)
[14:12] <AlanBell> gsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd gravity 1 to put it back again
[14:16] <AlanBell> gsettings set  com.canonical.notify-osd multihead-mode focus-follow <- this means they turn up on the monitor you are looking at \o/
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> another big leak - http://pastebin.com/2qbRKh3R
[14:40] <ali1234> hurrrrrrr
[14:40] <ali1234> actually my credit card has a 5 digit pin
[14:40] <ali1234> so nyah
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> I can change mine to have up to 6 digits I think
[14:45] <JohnRobert> gr8, more to rememeber
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> remembering is easy :)
[14:54] <xnox> MartijnVdS: stop using 000 000 as your pin!
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> xnox: 42 42 42 actually
[14:55] <xnox> US ATMs are confused by > 4 digit pins though
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> it's the US, confusion is expected ;)
[15:02] <popey> bah, wallpapers making me hungry again http://wallpapers.net/white_chocolate_cake-wallpapers.html
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: use this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-72157629167894627/lightbox/
[15:08] <gord> i would like a white chocolate cake please :(
[15:11] <czajkowski> gord: http://asset0.konditorandcook.com/system/assets/files/46/img_353/Curly%20whirly.jpg
[15:12] <gord> please put curly whirlies in it
[15:16] <czajkowski> gord: http://www.konditorandcook.com/products
[15:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: why aren't you at the ceremony today
[15:19] <gord> i hate you, john brought a giant chocolate cake into the office which is more chocolate than cake and i'm trying not to inhale it :(
[15:19] <czajkowski> gord: you in the blue fin this week
[15:19] <gord> till thursday
[15:19] <czajkowski> ohh shall be in :)
[15:20] <czajkowski> gord: that cake shop is either side of the office, one 2 blocks down on the right nad the other up by borough market!
[15:20] <gord> why are you doing this to me :(
[15:20] <czajkowski> being helpful!
[15:27] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it is a parade rather than a ceremony and I have stuffs to do
[15:28] <AlanBell> at some point I will watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqtvHYPmNzk&feature=g-upl and file all the bugs
[15:29] <ali1234> AlanBell: have you ever tried xfce?
[15:31] <AlanBell> no
[15:33] <mattt> borough market
[15:33] <mattt> i'm just thankful i don't work near there
[15:33] <mattt> otherwise i'd be broxe
[15:33] <czajkowski> mattt: aye it's addictive and very close to the office
[15:34] <popey> mmmmm
[15:34] <popey> nice food at borough market
[15:34] <xr1rr> anyone know if you buy a new laptop an dont use windows can you get the windows licence refunded
[15:35] <AlanBell> xr1rr: feel free to try, but it probably won't work
[15:38] <czajkowski> popey: you in this week ?
[15:38] <zleap> xr1rr, plan B find a supplier who will sell a laptop without windows
[15:39] <mattt> czajkowski: i think i saw squirrel there last time, that was a bit off putting
[15:40] <mattt> but otherwise it's very very nice :)
[15:40] <xr1rr> it is a shame your forced into buying a laptop with windows tho.
[15:40] <czajkowski> mattt: see them down by london eye and down by thepark
[15:40] <czajkowski> all of the place
[15:41] <gord> why is seing a squirrel offputting?
[15:41] <zleap> xr1rr, i am sure as you can buy without windows if you look around
[15:42] <zleap> to me the more people who find those smaller suppliers it helps them and shuns the bigger players,
[15:43] <zleap> xr1rr, http://nakedcomputers.org/
[15:44] <popey> no czajkowski
[15:44] <zleap> ebuyer also sell a few systems with linux or no OS
[15:44] <popey> xr1rr, some vendors will sell you a laptop without windows.. such as Dell
[15:45] <xr1rr> ok
[15:45] <xr1rr> will check
[15:45] <AlanBell> dell have some really nice laptops that they are not selling yet, project sputnik X31 I think
[15:46] <AlanBell> xps13 even
[15:47] <xr1rr> yeah thats nice, will cost you tho :)
[15:49] <zleap> which is why you shop around, however if the spec is good then the cost is less important in a way
[15:52] <mattt> gord: squirrel to buy to eat?
[15:52] <mattt> not random squirrels running around the place :)
[15:52]  * popey hugs his thinkpad
[15:54] <JohnRobert> I have two thinkpads
[15:54] <JohnRobert> they're ok
[15:54]  * daubers looks at headphones again
[15:55] <JohnRobert> t420s and edge 13
[15:57] <gord> mattt, oooh
[16:04] <mgdm> Hi, does anyone have any recommendations for laptop battery suppliers? My Thinkpad R500 needs a new one
[16:06] <popey> mgdm, yes
[16:06] <popey> http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/
[16:06] <popey> bought from them a few times as have others, who had no issue
[16:07] <mgdm> great, thanks!
[16:07] <mgdm> is it actual Lenovo kit or clones?
[16:07] <mgdm> (not that I'm all thatbothered, if it works)
[16:08] <mgdm> never mind, found out :)
[18:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Happy birthday Mum! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/09/10/happy-birthday-mum/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=happy-birthday-mum
[18:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> can someone try confirm if they can reach www.godaddy.com please?
[18:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> NM - http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/godaddy-outage-takes-down-millions-of-sites/
[18:18] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.godaddy.comgoogle.com
[18:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seems to have killed access to some of our sites (DNS lookup failures) - we don;t host with them but they manage our domains.
[18:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not all oddly - even not those on the same domain... Some of our "sites".libertus.co.uk are OK others are not. Weird.
[18:20]  * popey cooks some lamb
[18:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> unfortunately - our mail server happens to be one that is currently unavailable.
[18:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer adds mail server to /etc/hosts
[18:26] <davmor2> News at 10 Alan (popey) Pope, Kills and cooks Allan Lamb
[18:26] <Azelphur> xD
[18:30] <BigRedS> popey: what do you use to get posts onto both G+ and twitter?
[18:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: Cut & Paste :-P
[18:32] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: haha, that's what I've been using :)
[18:33] <popey> yup
[18:33] <BigRedS> oh
[19:49]  * daubers does like cake
[20:03] <marsilainen> I saw a job the other day which advertised plenty of cake
[20:07] <brobostigon> hehe
[20:08] <marsilainen> I would have been more swayed by burrittos TBH
[20:09]  * AlanBell spots dns breakage
[20:09] <marsilainen> just a bit
[20:10] <marsilainen> we have several clients down
[20:10] <brobostigon> yes, i had to manually set different dns on my nexus7 earlier.
[20:10] <czajkowski> ththe godaddy thingy  has been hitting G+ and twitter tday
[20:10] <marsilainen> yeah
[20:10] <marsilainen> our clients seem not only to have used godaddy but also to have really low TTL values
[20:10] <marsilainen> oh well
[20:12] <AlanBell> high TTL values are normally just painful when you try and intentionally do something quickly
[20:13] <brobostigon> so i set my nexus7 to use google dns, and it worked fine again.
[20:13] <marsilainen> AlanBell: sure - but what value do you think is reasonable?
[20:14] <d3ngar> Hello there, I was wondering: one of my MySQL users can connect without a password on the localhost, but requires a password from remotes
[20:14] <AlanBell> d3ngar: that is quite normal
[20:14] <d3ngar> I don't like that the user doesn't need a password
[20:14] <d3ngar> Must be something in the my.cnf that can switch this off?
[20:14] <AlanBell> there are two users with the same name d3ngar
[20:15] <d3ngar> ??
[20:15] <d3ngar> erm, it's not my username, if that's what you mean
[20:15] <zleap> d3ngar, is that an anagram of Dengar one of the characters from star wars ?
[20:15] <zleap> or if you read 3 as E it reads Dengar
[20:16] <d3ngar> yes
[20:16] <zleap> ah
[20:16] <d3ngar> I found that the letter 'e' is taken way too often :)
[20:16] <d3ngar> however, back to my SQL issue
[20:16] <zleap> seen briefly in EP V when there is a line up of bounty hunters
[20:16] <zleap> yeah sorry
[20:16] <d3ngar> AlanBell: How can I switch this off?
[20:16] <d3ngar> EP V?
[20:16] <AlanBell> 'd3ngar'@'localhost' and 'd3ngar'@'%' can have different passwords (or none)
[20:17] <AlanBell> and are effectively the same user, or two users with the same name, depending on how you like to think of it
[20:18] <AlanBell> the @'localhost' account in your instance does not have a password
[20:19] <d3ngar> But there isn't another user by this name?
[20:19] <d3ngar> I checked the user table using the root account
[20:25] <AlanBell> checked with something like select host,user from mysql.user order by user;
[20:27] <d3ngar> so you saw two users?
[20:28] <AlanBell> yeah
[20:29] <AlanBell> or more, you can have a different password for lots of hosts % is the wildcard
[20:29] <AlanBell> which for reasons I don't understand does not seem to include localhost
[20:30] <AlanBell> select user,host,password from mysql.user order by user;
[20:30] <AlanBell> then you can see which ones don't have passwords (or don't have identical passwords)
[20:36] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: there is always an exception to the rule.
[20:38] <BigRedS> % does include localhost unless you specify localhost
[20:38] <BigRedS> IIRC the most specific match wins
[20:38] <AlanBell> ok, that makes sense
[20:39] <BigRedS> MySQL permissions are insane, though
[20:39] <AlanBell> I seem to recall struggling to make that work, but maybe it was just me
[20:39] <BigRedS> yeah, it never does what you mean
[20:54]  * daubers downloads a quantel daily iso
[20:54] <AlanBell> daubers: cool, let me know if it boots, yesterday ubiquity wouldn't start for me
[20:55] <daubers> AlanBell: Ah, I'm trying the alternate to play with the server release in a VM :)
[21:05] <BigRedS> I installed from today's Desktop ISO a few hours ago
[21:05] <BigRedS> went fine
[21:06] <BigRedS> amd64
[21:11]  * mattt is finally getting around to playing w/ vagrant
[21:17]  * daubers is trying to test some magic stuff for the hackspace
[21:17] <daubers> Open door via SMS magic!!!
[21:17] <daubers> or open door by HTML portal with geolocation MAGIC!!!!
[21:19] <daubers> Hmmm... I get the feeling this is installing a full desktop without asking me....
[21:20] <daubers> Does the alternate CD now assume you want a desktop?
[21:20] <mgdm> daubers: isn't the geolocation stuff really easy to fake? :)
[21:21] <daubers> mgdm: Yes, but it'll be hidden behind a login portal thing
[21:21] <mgdm> ah ha
[21:22] <daubers> just lets me give a "You're 50 miles from the hackspace, are you sure you want to open the door?"
[21:22] <daubers> box
[21:22] <daubers> *le sigh*
[21:22] <daubers> didn't want a desktop
[21:23]  * daubers removes VM and starts again
[21:24] <daubers> mgdm: All of the IP addresses given out at the hackspace are public facing anyway, so could do it based on our IP range too if I wanted
[21:25] <mgdm> ah ha
[21:30] <stgraber> daubers: alternate always gives you a full desktop unless you choose "command line system" or something like that in the F4 menu when booting the CD
[21:30] <daubers> stgraber: Ahhhhhhh
[21:30] <stgraber> if you want to be asked what you want to install, use server or the mini.iso
[21:32] <popey> yeah, that "command line system" in F4 is super handy for minimal install
[21:33] <daubers> stgraber: Just finished grabbing the beta 1 server iso too. But will try it from the command line minimal instead


[18:37] <scott-work> persia: would you mind checking something for me, just as a sanity check?
[18:38] <scott-work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548058/
[18:39] <scott-work> this is an attempt to keep the 'gnome-session' as the default xsession instead of unity


[12:50] <tsmithe> !prevu | cbx33
[12:50] <ubotu> cbx33: prevu is an automated, personal backporting utility. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu for more details
[01:56] <mathesis> i need a repository for java
[01:57] <LaserJock> the JVM?
[01:57] <LaserJock> from Sun?
[01:57] <mathesis> sun
[01:58] <mathesis> java to install limewire
[01:58] <LaserJock> it's in Multiverse
[02:05] <mathesis> the gtk-gnutella and limewire is on the equal network
[02:29] <mzuverink> anyone have a en to es kvoctrain filelaying around?  All the kde stuff is european in nature
[05:17] <mathesis>  hi
[05:18] <mathesis> edubuntu include support for local device,memory usb,cd rom,disket?
[05:21] <LaserJock> yes
[05:24] <mathesis> LaserJock, how can config local device
[05:25] <LaserJock> I'm not sure
[05:25] <LaserJock> I doesn't just work?
[07:28] <mathesis> se ogra i have include option to sound and LDA in terminal1 ... terminal N?
[04:45] <ut4r82> ut4r82 join this group
[04:47] <juliux> !ask
[04:47] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:48] <ut4r82> ut4r82 join this group
[04:49] <ut4r82> please help me I found many error in my edubuntu 6.10 eddgy
[04:49] <ut4r82> who can help me right now
[04:49] <ut4r82> I need your help as soon as possible
[04:50] <juliux> !ask | ut4r82
[04:50] <ubotu> ut4r82: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:56] <ut4r82> this my problem : starting up...[17179570. 788000]  PCI :cannot allocate resource region 3 of device 0000:00.0
[04:57] <ut4r82> like that my computer error can be GUI please help me now
[04:57] <ut4r82> I need your help
[05:42] <salotti> hi... I have a problem with a repositories.. that won let me do nothing on my system.... Err http://br.archive.ubuntu.com edgy Release.gpg    .. there is another mirorr ?
[06:01] <highvoltage> salotti: you can just take away the br.
[06:01] <highvoltage> salotti: otherwise you can ask in #ubuntu-mirror
[06:14] <salotti> highvoltage: hehe.. makes sense... stupid I
[06:14] <salotti> gonna find where to change it .....
[06:45] <barktpolar> Hello, I'm trying to configure sound, can alsaconf be downloaded and installed without any other files needed or do I need to download some others
[07:44] <bddebian> Heya
[07:47] <juliux> hi bddebian
[07:47] <bddebian> Hello juliux
[10:28] <mathesis> hi ogra
[12:10] <mathesis>  /j #ubuntu-es
[12:14] <mathesis> hi


[10:58] <the-dude> cjwatson: if you are interested im using Ubuntu preseesing to deploy desktops in a hostpital
[11:11] <cjwatson> nice, I like being socially useful :)
[11:13] <the-dude> we already won best business case :)
[11:13] <ev> Of course this also makes us socially responsible. ;) "Bug in the Ubuntu installer leaves 23 dead."
[11:14] <ev> Perhaps that humor was a bit too dark
[11:15] <the-dude> ev: we don't use them for critical stuff (yet)
[11:15]  * ev breathes a sigh of relief
[11:15] <the-dude> *beep beep beep kernel panic*
[11:16] <ev> lol
[12:04] <utente> I have problem whit wubi on vista home
[12:04] <utente> You have a solution?
[12:05] <utente> I usa ubuntu 10.4 32bit ISO
[17:02] <xnox> ev, so foundation team meetings are at 15:00UTC during Summer time in Britain? http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=UTC+time says it's 16:00UTC now but the meeting has finished.... =( missed half of it
[17:05] <ev> xnox: the meetings are at 4pm BST, yes
[17:05] <ev> it's always 5pm UTC
[17:05] <xnox> great =) I'll update the wiki then
[17:05] <ev> does it say otherwise on a wiki page somewhere?
[17:06] <ev> ah, please do
[17:06] <xnox> yes & on the fridge calendar =)
[17:06]  * xnox reading logs
[17:06] <cjwatson> 4pm BST is 3pm UTC not 5pm
[17:06] <ev> for what it's worth, you can normally catch what you missed by reading the mootbot logs, but alas I forgot to do a #startmeeting
[17:07] <ev> err whoops
[17:08] <xnox> so is the meeting set in UK time or UTC time. Eg do you meet at 4pm UK during winter?
[17:10] <cjwatson> I think it's been 4pm UK time for quite a while now, inc. during winter
[17:14] <xnox> kk
[17:15] <xnox> nothing interesting really happened =) just lightning rounds and I've been there for the i686 issue =)
[17:46] <ev> heh
[17:46] <ev> our meetings tend to be a bit dry
[17:47] <ev> xnox: I don't know if I'll get to your branch proposal today.  Definitely tomorrow though.  How's the CLI frontend coming along?
[17:57] <xnox> ev, it's brain dead right now. It can do a stick without persistence and if both --iso & --dev is supplied
[17:57] <xnox> but currently it's an extension on-top of gtk interface =) cause it was easier for me to test that
[17:57] <xnox> so I need to clean it up to make it not depend on python-gtk2 ;-)
[17:58] <xnox> ev, about the package rename. Are we renaming source package as well? (Consequences being that we will end up with _two_ packages to track in lp.net/ubuntu/+source/$package)
[17:59] <ev> heh
[17:59] <ev> I think so
[18:00]  * xnox "ugly but works" is general advice on the gsoc-students private mailing list
[18:00] <ev> but perhaps we should check with them
[18:00] <ev> haha
[18:00] <xnox> ev, "them" debian or foundations team
[18:00] <ev> debian
[18:00] <ev> if we can avoid it, great
[18:00] <xnox> cause if we rename source package as well then we will need to adjust package-sets in ubuntu for all the cd's
[18:00] <ev> if not, I won't put up a fight
[18:00] <ev> just mutter under my breath ;)
[18:01] <ev> xnox: that's easy - I can sort out the seeds
[18:01] <ev> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement if you're curious
[18:01] <xnox> =) read that long time ago. Didn't play around with command line tools
[18:01] <ev> not renaming the source package saves us having to migrate the bugs
[18:01] <xnox> ev, ok but we will not rename the lp.net/usb-creator?
[18:01] <ev> cjwatson: didn't you automate that for oem-config, by the way?
[18:02] <ev> I don't suppose you still have the code?
[18:02] <xnox> ev, yeah i really don't want to rename source package
[18:02] <ev> xnox: I don't know how easy it is to rename projects.  If we have to cross that bridge, we can talk to the launchpad guys
[18:03] <xnox> ev, i did renaming projects on launchpad
[18:03] <ev> but yeah, ideally I'd like to do the bare minimum here
[18:03] <ev> oh?
[18:03] <xnox> after you are happy & migrated bits you want. LOSA wipe the old project and set it as alias to new one
[18:03] <ev> ah
[18:03] <cjwatson> I think I just wrote a dodgy throwaway launchpadlib script, sorry
[18:03] <ev> no worries
[18:03] <xnox> see "gnomesword" -> "xiphos" & "bzr-rebase" -> "bzr-rewrite"
[18:03] <cjwatson> it didn't take all that long
[18:03] <ev> okay, so here's what I think:
[18:04] <ev> lets see if Debian really want us to rename the source package
[18:04] <xnox> ev, are you gonna do that? =)))))
[18:04] <ev> if they do, we'll do that and migrate all the bugs using some dodgy lplib code
[18:04] <ev> but we'll leave the project name alone (we can change the title)
[18:05] <xnox> sounds good =)
[18:05] <ev> either way, we'll change the seeds to use startup-disk-creator-gtk-my-god-this-is-a-bit-silly-isn't-it
[18:05] <ev> ;)
[18:05] <ev> cjwatson: noted; thanks
[18:06] <xnox> ev, I can write really cunning debian/control generating code using m4 (reusing gcc packaging stuff) to keep debian at random names they want & keep ours as it is
[18:06] <ev> lol
[18:06] <xnox> and add nasty easter eggs when the package is build with DEB_VENDOR=Debian =)))))
[18:06] <ev> I'm just happy that Alexander is okay with startup-disk-creator
[18:07] <ev> a few more rounds of bikeshedding would've drove me insane
[18:07]  * xnox not sure how that will help with "improving" Debian-Ubuntu relationship though
[18:07] <ev> haha
[18:08] <ev> by the way, I'm on vacation all next week
[18:08] <xnox> ev, but we don't really want transitional packages to appear in Debian. So some debian/control mangling will be needed
[18:08] <ev> I'll still be contactable via email though
[18:08] <ev> hmm, good point
[18:09] <xnox> =) read the meeting log. Doing something nice =) or just horizontal-position 24x7 in front of TV with laptop, tablet and a few other cool gadgets?
[18:10] <ev> my dad is visiting from the states
[18:10] <ev> so I'm going to take the opportunity to do some more proper exploration of London
[18:10] <ev> which I only seem to get around to when I have guests
[18:10] <xnox> cool =) love London =)  i live in Hull, Yorkshire but i've been to almost every corner of london
[18:11] <ev> plus he loves Colin Dexter, so we'll head up to Oxford
[18:11] <xnox> my sister might be moving to London if she gets the job =) and I might be moving in with her, just to live in London ;-)
[18:12] <ev> xnox: you must forgive my generally lack of British geography skills, but if you're in London at any point, we shouldn't pass on the opportunity to meet up for a drink
[18:12] <xnox> ev, Oxford's a complete dump =)
[18:13] <ev> never been, but it's more for the ability for him to have a clearer image when he's reading :)
[18:14] <xnox> ev, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKuHYO9TM5A
[18:14] <xnox> =)))) the only reason I'm proud to be in University of Hull =)
[18:14] <ev> OH GOD NO, NOT BLACKADDER!
[18:15] <xnox> I referee National Volleyball League so I have been around England a lot =)
[18:15] <ev> love Fry and Laurie, hate Atkinson.
[18:15]  * xnox +1
[18:15] <ev> :)
[18:16] <xnox> well off to program cause Britain's got talent is soon =)
[18:16] <ev> see ya
[18:39] <xnox> ev, updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam & fixed time on fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar it should now display correct UTC time during winter & summer
[18:39] <xnox> there is a joke about why it's UK time on the wiki page =)
[18:43] <ev> haha, nice one
[18:44] <ev> right, I'm out for the evening
[18:44] <ev> have a good one!
[18:44] <xnox> =)


[00:00] <daker> and we are in 2013 :D
[00:04] <JoseeAntonioR> popey, AlanBell: 2013 now came to you!
[00:05] <JoseeAntonioR> daker: you too?
[00:05] <daker> yep
[00:05] <JoseeAntonioR> still 2012 here
[00:06] <JoseeAntonioR> you guys have any idea on which juju charm should I write? /me wants to write one
[00:23] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: what webservices do you deploy/manage/use?
[00:24] <JoseeAntonioR> erm, can't actually say, I think summit, lighttpd, apache2, mailman, postfix and that's it
[00:25] <mhall119> well, summit is done, apache by itself isn't of much use, I suppose the same for lighttpd
[00:25] <mhall119> so maybe mailman?
[00:26] <JoseeAntonioR> I've already been working in mailman and postfix, but I don't know if they're 'good'
[00:26] <JoseeAntonioR> and of course, mailman is dependent of postfix
[00:26] <JoseeAntonioR> https://code.launchpad.net/~joseeantonior/+junk/mailman-charm and https://code.launchpad.net/~joseeantonior/+junk/postfix-charm are the still-in-devel charms
[00:26] <mhall119> between jcastro and barry warsaw, I'm sure you can get help finishing them
[00:27] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, I'll check later
[00:27] <JoseeAntonioR> any other ideas on which charms should be written? /me has been trying to find something
[00:50] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: how about a charm for octopress, or whatever it is jcastro is using for his blog
[00:51] <JoseeAntonioR> let's check
[00:51] <JoseeAntonioR> yes, octopress
[00:51] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll see if I can charm that
[00:53] <mhall119> I've been thinking of moving from WP to Octopress, so I'd be happy to test it out for you
[00:54] <JoseeAntonioR> I may have something for later or tomorrow
[00:54] <JoseeAntonioR> once I get to it I'll link you to the branch
[09:26] <jokerdino> bkerensa: thanks for the email. :)
[09:34] <bkerensa> jokerdino: no problem ;)
[09:36] <jokerdino> bkerensa: btw, we are in the middle of renaming our app to something better. i suppose you wouldn't mind amending the article if we responded to the interview before deciding on a final name?
[09:36] <bkerensa> jokerdino: surely :)
[09:36] <jokerdino> thanks again :))
[09:36] <bkerensa> gnight folks!
[09:37] <bkerensa> happy new year
[09:37] <jokerdino> Happy new year and good night to you :)
[14:21] <cjohnston> Merry new year
[17:03] <jcastro> mhall119: JoseeAntonioR: octopress doesn't really "run" anywhere
[17:04] <jcastro> it just generates html that you sync over to your host
[17:04] <mhall119> jcastro: oh
[17:04] <mhall119> jcastro: you just scp it over?
[17:05] <mhall119> jcastro: is there anything special to get it to store stuff in S3?
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: ping ping ping
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: ping too
[17:07] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: patience is not your strong point is it :)
[17:08] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: sometimes, but a 'good' idea just popped into my head while sleeping
[17:08] <JoseeAntonioR> happy new year, btw
[17:08] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: it's new years day dude :)
[17:08] <czajkowski> Happy new year to you :)
[17:10] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, it comes with a deploy rakefile that just uses s3cmd, which is like rsync
[17:10] <jcastro> or you can do it via rsync, scp, or whatever
[17:10] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: pong
[17:10] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: mind a PM?
[17:11] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: pong
[17:11] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: same, mind a quick PM?
[17:11] <jcastro> I always mind pm's
[17:11] <jcastro> it can't be public?
[17:11] <JoseeAntonioR> sort of, but anyways
[17:11] <mhall119> PM is fine, public is preferred ;)
[17:12] <JoseeAntonioR> what do you guys think about doing on-air to make the announcement of the big ubuntu surprise?
[17:12] <JoseeAntonioR> we can have a hangout around the time when the counter ends, and we can invite all people related to the topic
[17:12] <jcastro> I'm not part of the surprise
[17:12] <jcastro> popey mayhaps?
[17:12] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: I don't know who would be available
[17:13] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: we can arrange an on-air in the days following it though
[17:14] <JoseeAntonioR> as you prefer, also baring in mind the team's availability
[17:14] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: those involved will be working on making everything public
[17:14] <mhall119> I think next week we can try for a Q&A on-air
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> sure, we have mondays and fridays free
[17:16] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: I'll ask around after the annoucenment and see who would want to come on
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> or you can ask jono to move his Q&A
[17:16] <JoseeAntonioR> sure, just let me know
[18:05] <popey> I agree, a hangout would be fun, but difficult to do at 6pm UK time (when the time runs out I believe)
[18:11] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: you're right
[18:11] <mhall119> popey: I thought it was 4pm UK time.
[18:13] <czajkowski> mhall119: narp
[18:13] <czajkowski> it's currently 18:13 here and 23hrs and 46 mins to go
[18:15] <mhall119> damn timezones, confusing me again
[18:22] <imbrandon> I heard it's another shopping lens. :)
[18:22] <mhall119> imbrandon: why would we need another lens, when we can add new stores to the backend?
[18:23] <imbrandon> mhall119: hehe forgot /sarcasm :P
[18:24] <imbrandon> btw Happy New Year mhall119 and All o/
[18:24] <pleia2> imbrandon: trouble maker :)
[18:24] <imbrandon> Always , heh
[18:24] <mhall119> happy new year to you too imbrandon
[22:56] <AlanBell> imbrandon: did you see my new shopping lens?


[08:47] <rtg> sconklin, are you aware of this Lucid stable updates regression ? bug #1190295 appears to be legit with a definite last good version, first bad version.
[08:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1190295 in linux (Ubuntu) "2.6.32-47 kernel update on 10.04 breaks software RAID (+ LVM)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1190295
[08:49] <sconklin> rtg: no, thanks!
[09:20] <rtg> sconklin, it might be worth bugging Ben if there are any debian bugs outstanding about this regression.
[12:14] <nessita> diwic, hi there. Saw your comment on the bug, but not sure if I can do anything else on my end... is there any other test/debugging info I can run/provide?
[12:16] <diwic> nessita, I'm not sure either, except a long boring git bisect that jsalisbury might help you set up
[12:18] <nessita> diwic, does that involves compiling lots of kernels?
[12:18] <diwic> nessita, yup. But usually jsalisbury does that for you, unless you know how to do a git bisect yourself, that is
[12:21] <nessita> diwic, never done a git bisect before, so instructions/help will be appreciated
[12:22] <diwic> nessita, I don't do them myself either, and rarely access the kernel team's quick build infrastructure (even though I have access to it). So better ask jsalisbury or someone else in the kernel team
[12:29] <nessita> diwic, where can I find jsalisbury? or who else shall I ask? rtg?
[13:12] <jodh> can anyone offer any insights into the kernel panic on bug 1208455?
[13:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1208455 in linux (Ubuntu) "general protection fault running apt-get inside nested kvm VM" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208455
[15:51] <ricmm> apw: hey
[15:52] <ricmm> I've sent 4 critical patches to the mailing list for all touch flavours
[15:52] <ricmm> would be great if someone could take a look
[17:57] <nessita> jsalisbury, hey there, saw your comment on bug #1201528 I have a question: what base system should I use to test those kernels?
[17:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201528 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "[Realtek ALC889] - Audio Playback Unavailable" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201528
[17:58] <nessita> I have a rather empty precise installation with latest raring kernel on it, would that work for these tests?
[17:59] <jsalisbury> nessita, It's probably best to use Precise, since you didn't see the bug there.  That way the only thing changing is the kernel version.
[18:00] <nessita> jsalisbury, ack, is it ok if I install the old kernels next to the raring kernel? (as long as I boot with the right kernel, it should work OK, right?)
[18:01] <nessita> also, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-rc1-saucy is 404'ing
[18:01] <jsalisbury> nessita, yes, installing multiple kernels if fine, just select the correct one in grub.
[18:01] <jsalisbury> nessita, let me check that link
[18:02] <jsalisbury> nessita, sorry, that link should be: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.9-rc1-raring/
[18:02] <nessita> jsalisbury, great, thanks a lot! will report findings in the bug
[18:03] <jsalisbury> nessita, thanks for testing!
[18:03] <nessita> jsalisbury, I miss listening to music while working, so happy to!@ :-)
[18:03] <jsalisbury> nessita, heh, good motivation
[18:12] <joshhunt> i'm confused on what the hwe stack provides, only in terms of kernel. is hardware support backported to the particular kernel version?
[18:13] <joshhunt> i came across this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/248914/what-is-hwe-hardware-enablement
[18:18] <joshhunt> does this mean that the LTS kernels will be updated from time to time, for ex from 3.2 to 3.5, as new hardware support is needed?
[18:19] <joshhunt> sorry if this is the wrong place for these questions, if you could suggest another place i'd appreciate it. thx.
[20:39] <nessita> jsalisbury, hey there. Re bug #1201528, I made lots of test with every kernel you suggested, and I'm not sure the results I got make sense. Except for kernel 3.11.0-031100rc4, I couldn't break audio in any kernel from I installed from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline. But I can easily break older kernels from "apt repo", such as 3.8.0-27 or 3.8.0-19, or a raring or saucy boot from a live pendrive
[20:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201528 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "[Realtek ALC889] - Audio Playback Unavailable" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201528
[20:40] <nessita> jsalisbury, is there any different on kernels from repos, when compared to kernels from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline ?
[20:40] <nessita> s/different/difference/