[10:34] <to|m> kyncani: ok, and if i backup home/user and reinstall ubuntu on another PC I must know which apps I had before... I wanna do this auto
[10:34] <mcphail> norhted: any progress?
[10:35] <kyncani> to|m: use either debfoster or deborphan for that
[10:35] <norhted> mcpail: :(
[10:35] <norhted> mcpail: still i ve got the same error : Filesystem type unknown
[10:35] <psychonate> Did you sound people ever see this:
[10:35] <psychonate> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[10:35] <ben> Crapounet?
[10:35] <psychonate> dunno if that'll help, but I guess it's worth looking at
[10:35] <norhted> mcpail: it sounds like we should add one more line to describe NTFS to grub
[10:36] <mcphail> norhted: ask later when bob2 etc are around. They can fix _everything_ ;)
[10:36] <colmore> so nobody has had to mess with an intel graphics card then?
[10:36] <mcphail> colmore: not here
[10:36] <norhted> mcphail: i know :) thnx
[10:37] <djp> do i need postfix in order to send email using rmail (emacs)?
[10:38] <to|m> kyncani: thx... but what di u think about a "save installed package list" option in Syaptic... this could be fine, i think
[10:38] <psychonate> Neat-looking quake 1 mod: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Tenebrae
[10:39] <kyncani> to|m: well, it would be a graphical way to access it, sure it would be fine :) But the way it is right now, debfoster is the way :)
[10:39] <doyx> hi, about 22 people are currently stuck at 72% trying to get the PPC Live DVD via Bitorrent because there are no seeders. Is someone able to seed this ISO iamge for a littel while? Thx!!!!
[10:39] <Andares> Does Quake 1 work on Linux?
[10:39] <colmore> how does one install a kernel module file, i've never done it
[10:40] <parabolize> Andares, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quake-HOWTO-1.html
[10:40] <to|m> kyncani: :) .. and I think it's easy to implement that :)
[10:40] <norhted> whcih packets should i install in order to watch XVID and DIVX compressed video files?
[10:41] <vic1ous> what is the linx that tells you how to install fglrx???
[10:41] <mjr> norhted, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[10:41] <norhted> mjr: thnx
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> norhted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> that'll list all you need to know
[10:41] <mcphail> psychonate: i've seen the link before. There's a few differences between the ubuntuguide info and the stuff in the wiki. Don't know which is the best.
[10:41] <norhted> :)
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: install linux-restricted-modules
[10:42] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: that'll set it up for you, only thing you'll have to do is modify your xorg.conf
[10:42] <HiddenWolf> mcphail: stick to the wiki. It's official.
[10:42] <vic1ous> ok how do i install the linux restricted modules?
[10:42] <othernoob> how do i fake the OS data firefox sends to a website?
[10:42] <vic1ous> and what do i change in the conf
[10:43] <nichos> hi all, ubuntu install OK, but im not getting any video when X comes up on my dell DVI monitor, any ideas?
[10:43] <abydos> ubotu: tell me about xvid
[10:43] <windex> oh man. now i have more questions than i had before. :) does ubuntu have a out of box supported methood for doing automatic installation?
[10:43] <vic1ous> ok how do i install the linux restricted modules?
[10:43] <vic1ous> and what do i change in the conf
[10:43] <mcphail> HiddenWolf: i've still got a lot of time for ubuntuguide. it helped me get warty running smoothly all those months ago! The wiki is getting better, though.
[10:43] <parabolize> vic1ous, read second page http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quake-HOWTO-2.html
[10:43] <abydos> ubotu: tell me about codecs
[10:43] <psychonate> For Quake1, this looks to be the most promising binary: http://mfcn.ilo.de/glxquake/
[10:43] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: open a terminal then write sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<yourkernel>
[10:44] <psychonate> parabolize, check out that link I just put up
[10:44] <HiddenWolf> mcphail: i'm not saying it's bad, I'm just pionting out it's usually better to stick to the official stuff.
[10:44] <vic1ous> k what do i put where it says yourkernel
[10:44] <abydos> This may sound like a stupid question, but why is the wiki on an https site?
[10:45] <mcphail> HiddenWolf: to a large extent, I agree.
[10:45] <windex> abydos: editing a wiki requires a username and a password. transmitting usernames and passwords in plain text is bad?
[10:45] <ubuntu> hye whers that paste bin place ?
[10:45] <HiddenWolf> vic1ous: the kernel version you're currently running
[10:45] <vic1ous> but how do i find out
[10:45] <windex> let me rewind to my original query.
[10:45] <kyncani> Eeek, 666 unread spam messages
[10:45] <vic1ous> my games are running choppy
[10:45] <windex> oh man. now i have more questions than i had before. :) does ubuntu have a out of box supported methood for doing automatic installation?
[10:46] <ubuntu> ah never mind
[10:46] <vic1ous> and someone told me that if i install the fglrx it would fix it
[10:46] <nichos> any ideas on dvi and ubuntu? i lose video when the machine starts x
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> windex: yes, but it's not very userfriendly yet
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> nichos: no, my dell 2405 has no problem whatsoever
[10:46] <windex> HiddenWolf: thats fine, i'm not user friendly either. is it documented in any way?
[10:46] <din> zerboxx, i8kmon -n
[10:46] <colmore> sorry to pester, asking again: has anyone successfully set up openGL on an intel graphics card.  the intel driver installer is bitching to me about kernel modules, but it only seems to want to provide modules for commercial rpm distros :-(
[10:46] <din> hehe
[10:47] <abydos> windex:  point taken.
[10:47] <nichos> HiddenWolf i havent been able to find any docs (knoppix fails aswell) the dvi lcd just goes to sleep on boot
[10:47] <owlmanatt_> colmore: Try converting the .rpms to .debs with alien?
[10:47] <mcphail> By the way, is anyone else having difficulties authenticating the SSL certificate for the wiki?
[10:47] <concept10> Any mac mini owners here?
[10:47] <djp> any rmail users here?
[10:47] <windex> mcphail: its either not signed by a CA or its expired. i haven't looked at it close enough to figure it out.
[10:47] <Emily> id have a mac mini if i could afford one
[10:47] <colmore> insmod isn't liking the modules, that's my problem owlmanatt
[10:47] <zerboxx> din: heh, what does your left button do?
[10:47] <vic1ous> but how do i find out what kernel im running a friend told me if i switch to fglrx it would run my games smoother
[10:47] <concept10> nalioth, where are you?
[10:48] <owlmanatt_> colmore: Ah, I see.
[10:48] <nichos> but the install went smooth
[10:48] <mcphail> windex: it would be rather distracting for new users...
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> windex, yeah, it should. Check for preseed, d-i and there should be support for whatever fedora does to automate installs as well
[10:48] <python> I know someone who has  a mac mini and he is installing Linux on there.......
[10:48] <nichos> once X comes up,and i try to ctrl alt F# it doesnt bring the monitor up either
[10:48] <din> zerboxx, im not sure lol
[10:48] <colmore> ok all time for an early dinner, thanks for the help
[10:48] <othernoob> how do i fake the OS data firefox sends to a website?
[10:48] <zerboxx> din: heh mine does nothing, while right button changes fan speed
[10:48] <doyx> concept10: no mac mini, but G4 Power mac
[10:48] <windex> HiddenWolf: okay. :) does the installer automatically generate any of the data for doing a preseed like anaconda does on redhat?
[10:48] <concept10> nalioth has a mac mini I think. im thinking about going to pick on up
[10:49] <basti_> where do I change which resoluhions are being used in gnome?
[10:49] <concept10> doyx, is it difficult to install linux on there?
[10:49] <din> zerboxx, i hear it doing something, not sure what though
[10:49] <python> Mac just aint as congfigurable as Linux
[10:49] <din> zerboxx, i think it's the proc fan...
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> windex: I have no personal experience, but you should be able to feed it a fedora preseed file at least on breezy. d-i and debian preseed are a pain and badly documented, if at all.
[10:49] <delire> concept10: i was looking at one today. the fact their such a (white) black box turns me off.
[10:49] <Comp_Lex> python: don't compare hardware with software :P
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> windex: it's something being worked on for this development cycle, that is for sure. No clue if/how it actually works tho.
[10:50] <delire> python: tell me about it, i've had to work with a G5 running Tiger at work. awful
[10:50] <nichos> are there any kernel options i can pass ubuntu at the start?
[10:50] <din> zerboxx, i'm pretty sure it is
[10:50] <windex> HiddenWolf: okay, thanks.
[10:50] <zerboxx> din: There is a plugin for i8k for xfce...why not gnome :(
[10:50] <zerboxx> din: Very likely the proc fan
[10:50] <din> there is??
[10:50] <doyx> concept10: I had it installed before disk crash. no probs
[10:50] <basti_> if I have only 1 resolution available in gnome where can I change that?
[10:50] <python> i prefer free software too, it is important and ethical to me to only mainly use free software and open source
[10:50] <mcphail> I know a couple of people using Ubuntu on minis - good as a silent server
[10:50] <windex> HiddenWolf: well, i'm a developer by trade, so if i can't get it to work, i'll be looking for somewhere to start the hard way. :)
[10:51] <concept10> delire, It will match my external USB drive, ist silver and white so i dont mind as much
[10:51] <Comp_Lex> basti_: you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:51] <windex> HiddenWolf: if there's an active project for it i will remember to offer to sign up to help.
[10:51] <coolkev> the version of Mozilla Thunderbird in the Ubuntu repository aswell as the extra repositories is very outdated.. it's at version 1.0.2, while the latest version is 1.0.6 when can we expect to see an update in the repositories?
[10:51] <HiddenWolf> windex, i've tried finding it, but i couldn't so far. Reed the udu.wiki.ubuntu.com goals on OEMinstaller, to start.
[10:51] <basti_> yeah I know, but where exactly in xorg,conf?
[10:51] <concept10> I would sell my laptop for 500 to get one, its a year old
[10:51] <din> zerboxx, where is this plugin for xfce?
[10:51] <doyx> concept10: I'd love to try/install the Live DVD but it's a no-go because no bittorrent seeders :(
[10:52] <The_Vox> coolkev: use backports
[10:52] <zerboxx> din: not sure, found it on xfce website
[10:52] <concept10> doyx, dialup?
[10:52] <Comp_Lex> coolkev: Hoary FF comes with 1.0.5/1.0.6 patches, don't worry ;)
[10:52] <delire> python: i share that view, but on a surface level the hardware seems nice enough, great case design, but i find OSX horrible to work with, and there seems very few ways to customise the interface so i can get off the dependency on the mouse and the 'finder'.
[10:52] <doyx> concept10, dsl
[10:52] <coolkev> The_Vox those are the extra repositories?
[10:52] <concept10> just get it from http/ftp
[10:53] <The_Vox> coolkev: it's a repository of newer versions of some stuff
[10:53] <coolkev> Comp_Lex: I'm talking about THUNDERBIRD. please read my question carefully. I am not asking about firefox
[10:53] <concept10> I wouldnt mind dual booting osx and linux, I never boot into windows anymore
[10:53] <doyx> concept10, I only found it to be available via bittorrent. CD images are available though
[10:53] <python> the hardware of macs is good and the OS is good but it isnt 100% free software
[10:53] <delire> concept10: right, i meant it in the sense of it's 'upgradeablility'. for this reason i am going to buy a shuttle PC i think. slightly larger and several times more bang for my buck.
[10:53] <Comp_Lex> coolkev: whoops sorry :P
[10:53] <HiddenWolf> windex: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller - http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration -
[10:53] <coolkev> The_Vox: backports are are the extra repositories that are commented?
[10:53] <The_Vox> coolkev: no, you need to add them to your sources.list
[10:54] <concept10> delire, True.  The shuttles are nice but they dont run os x (at least not yet)
[10:54] <MartenH> I'm trying to reach shares on my XP computer, however only one of them shows up in the list, why?
[10:54] <ompaul> how does one invoke fortune?
[10:54] <coolkev> The_Vox: where can i find these backport repositories?
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> The_Vox: backports have led a load of people to mess up, so be careful
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> ompaul: type fortune in a terminal
[10:54] <Xappe> hmm, putty has no urlhandler...not that I can see anyway. that's a pitty...
[10:54] <mcphail> ompaul: click on wanda
[10:54] <delire> concept10: well i care little with OSX, having had to work with it alot recently.
[10:54] <The_Vox> HiddenWolf: really? I haven't had a problem with backports so far
[10:54] <delire> s/with/for
[10:55] <The_Vox> coolkev: do a search in google for "ubuntu backports" it should point you to the right site, which unfortunately for you I don't have bookmarked
[10:55] <zerboxx> din: Found a gdesklet applet which shows me the temp on the desktop, that may be good enough :)
[10:55] <ompaul> HiddenWolf, I hate that, it does not run at root :) (sudo -s is my friend so I was protected :))
[10:55] <HiddenWolf> The_Vox: some people got severely messed up with that firefox mess earlier, for one. haven't used them myself for a while, but i had some trouble upgrading myself
[10:55] <coolkev> ok thanks The_Vox
[10:55] <HiddenWolf> ompaul: sudo rocks
[10:55] <concept10> delire, I havent had much exposure with os x, my sister has a powerbook g4 (which I gave her a ubuntu live cd and she says what do I need that for :)
[10:55] <The_Vox> HiddenWolf: ah! the firefox mess wasn't backport's fault, it was mozilla's fault, they messed up
[10:56] <din> zerboxx, i found the xfce4 plugin hehe
[10:56] <mcphail> delire: the apple hardware seems to run linux very well. Mac mini is tempting from this point of view.
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> The_Vox: i'm well aware, but people downloaded the new ubuntu version, where messed up, and couldn't go back to the backports version either, so they had to get another browser while ubuntu fixed their package.
[10:56] <The_Vox> concept10: it's my firm belief that 99% of humanity would be perfectly happy and productive with OSX...the other 1% is those of us who are geeks
[10:56] <delire> concept10: of couse she does, however if she cared about raw performance this would another matter albeit.
[10:57] <The_Vox> HiddenWolf: oh, well, yes, that....I just never run a packaged firefox...nobody knows how to pack it right lol! I prefer to use the official installer
[10:57] <delire> mcphail: yes, agreed, though there is no such thing as 'Mac Hardware'. apple have never made hardware. Asustek and Quanta computing in Taiwan do it for them. both companies make laptops and components for several other companies also.
[10:57] <concept10> The_Vox, I believe that myself.  I believe apple will gain alot of the market in coming years
[10:58] <din> zerboxx, !!! this is awesome
[10:58] <The_Vox> concept10: it's my deepest hope and wish
[10:58] <concept10> delire, huh?
[10:58] <delire> mcphail: Linux on PPC is a beautiful thing, agreed.
[10:58] <ompaul> The_Vox, 99.9 percent would be happy with ubuntu and may be yet with the voles latest tricks - show me the receipt gig :)
[10:58] <Goodspeed> What are the minimum requirements for ubuntu?
[10:58] <zerboxx> din: :) the plugin?
[10:58] <mcphail> delire: I take your point, but the concept of having a limited number of well known components is an attractive one
[10:58] <The_Vox> ompaul: 99% of humanity can't install an OS to save their lifes.
[10:58] <concept10> delire, apple has always been a hardware vendor, yes they may outsource some stuff but who doesnt ?
[10:58] <python>  Goodspeed i have seen Ubuntu running on a 486
[10:59] <din> zerboxx, yep, i'll take a screenshot of it
[10:59] <Goodspeed> ive got a 500 mhz processor with 128 ram
[10:59] <oni> how do I install from a .deb?
[10:59] <Goodspeed> fedoras 4 is running right no
[10:59] <concept10> python, thats what your using now?
[10:59] <zerboxx> I will too, show you what I've done
[10:59] <Goodspeed> w
[10:59] <Goodspeed> and its super slow
[10:59] <ompaul> The_Vox, which is why there is so little happiness on planet earth :)
[10:59] <funkyHat> oni, sudo dpkg -i packagename
[10:59] <oni> thanks!
[10:59] <delire> concept10: no they are not. they simply provide a design spec to taiwanese companies, AsusTek and Quanta to make machines for them. my Asus laptop will be very close in design to the next generation MacIntel laptops.
[11:00] <python> fedora can be quite sluggish
[11:00] <concept10> I have a Celeron 333mhz box with 768 ? something ram, its slow as hell for a desktop.  Decent server though
[11:00] <funkyHat> oni, you can use the tab key to autocomplete filenames too :)
[11:00] <Goodspeed> so python youd recommend ubuntu over fedora?
[11:00] <python> partly as it contains many packages
[11:00] <python> UBUNTU ROCKS
[11:00] <oni> yeah I know, thanks!
[11:00] <concept10> Goodspeed, I would
[11:00] <Goodspeed> what about that celega or whatever
[11:00] <delire> concept10: mcphail: http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/01/20050114041111.shtml
[11:00] <Goodspeed> that runs on ubuntu right?
[11:00] <delire> ompaul: ;)
[11:01] <funkyHat> Goodspeed, yes, cedega runs on ubuntu
[11:01] <scythe> anyone know why they bt dl of the ubuntu dvd is only giving like 17k download speeds?
[11:01] <oni> how do I fi the dependences?
[11:01] <ompaul> delire, well someone had to make us all happy  :)
[11:01] <Goodspeed> scythe im getting 80k
[11:01] <delire> hehe
[11:01] <concept10> Goodspeed, Linux software runs on Linux.  Some is just harder than other to configure
[11:01] <flugh> Goodspeed, as a 'moved from FC3 & 4 to ubuntu' user myself, i have to vote for ubuntu over fedora for my home use
[11:01] <ompaul> scythe, not enough people doing bt for it
[11:01] <concept10> flugh, I did the same.
[11:01] <mcphail> delire: I'm currently wondering about a new box. Difficult to decide between AMD, Intel or PPC
[11:01] <din> zerboxx, http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfcei8k2rz.jpg
[11:02] <funkyHat> oni, sudo apt-get install *list the dependencies here to have them installed, separate by spaces*
[11:02] <Goodspeed> so ubuntu doesnt use as many resources as fedora?
[11:02] <scythe> dear god, goodspeed... where did you find the seed, im using the one from the dl page on ubuntu.com
[11:02] <python> Apt-Get is better than yum too due to more packages
[11:02] <din> zerboxx, in the bottom right corner
[11:02] <flugh> i still use fc3 at work, because of the limited package set. work is just database, web server, samba. no internet connection, yada
[11:02] <python> ubuntu uses a minimilistic installation you could say
[11:02] <din> :)
[11:02] <delire> concept10 mcphail there are several reports suggesting it's possible to get 'unbadged' (meaning without the apple logo) laptops and mac mini's in Taiwan. illegitimately of course..
[11:02] <scythe> 17-18 k.... 11 k out
[11:02] <concept10> python, apt-get is far superior than yum IMHO
[11:02] <Goodspeed> 80k dl 8k out
[11:02] <Goodspeed> lol
[11:02] <concept10> delire, thats interesting
[11:03] <concept10> delire, but you can get anything unbadged in Taiwan, even Nike shoes :)
[11:03] <scythe> im on dsl.... can get 100k on almost everything else i dl, cant get jack on the dvd i really want
[11:03] <mcphail> delire: it would be nice to get the hardware without paying for an OS I would remove anyway
[11:03] <python> Ubuntu seem more commited to FREE SOFTWARE too
[11:03] <flugh> i can't support the 'apt better than yum' with real numbers. i just know the downloading of headers for yum is gawd-awful slow. apt does it's business much quicker for me
[11:03] <delire> mcphail: RANT: architecture diversification is important. don't support the M$ and Apple architecture monoculture, buy AMD ;)
[11:04] <scythe> ubuntu actually allowed me to compile things.... unlike many other distros
[11:04] <Blissex> flugh: APT is faster, Yum is not as limited as APT
[11:04] <funkyHat> python, don't forget ubuntu supports mp3 out of the box. that's a pretty big downside of redhat's products
[11:04] <mcphail> delire: you on AMD 64?
[11:04] <python> Although i know Fedora is open source of course its vision of a distro to me seems a bit blurred
[11:04] <delire> mcphail: precisely.. i asked an Apple rep about this, and they will not ship the apple gear without OSX. bummer.
[11:04] <concept10> flugh, I agree with you on the headers, but I will also add that .rpm has more dependency problems
[11:04] <funkyHat> ;)
[11:04] <python> Is it really hard though to install mp3 support
[11:05] <concept10> delire, why would you want them to? to save money?
[11:05] <norhted_> libgii0-target-x depends on libgii0      libgii0 depends on libgii0-target-x
[11:05] <scythe> no, not really
[11:05] <oni> where I can find tcltls?
[11:05] <flugh> oh, i'm convinced "dependancy hell" was coined by someone using rpm
[11:05] <norhted_> anyone who has any idea?
[11:05] <funkyHat> no, but for non-tech people, it could be
[11:05] <python> they choose not to install it due to patent licensing acts, i dont blame them
[11:05] <concept10> I hardly used yum in fedora, I used apt4rpm
[11:05] <delire> mcphail: no, Pentium M ;) next machine will hopefully be an IBM PPC Thinkpad ;) or yes, an AMD
[11:05] <delire> concept10: sorry, don't understand the Q
[11:06] <oni> tcltls anyone?
[11:06] <python> Non techie people should use Windows
[11:06] <delire> flugh: it was.
[11:06] <concept10> Ubuntu has a better community and resources and philosophy......it all counts IMO
[11:06] <mcphail> delire: I'm using an M in my laptop at the moment. Wondering about AMD for a new desktop, but worried about binary-only driver probs
[11:06] <python> kidding
[11:06] <vader1102> dlelire: I am using a Dell p2 366, 256 MB RAM and 6 gig hard drive lol...soon I will have an external 200 gig hard drive
[11:06] <funkyHat> python, then why is ubuntu's motto 'linux for human beings' ;)
[11:06] <vader1102> delire:
[11:07] <vader1102> ^^
[11:07] <python> perhaps begginners need a distro like linspire
[11:07] <delire> python: not true, i know several people that despise computers and have no interest in them, yet use Linux.
[11:07] <funkyHat> hehe
[11:07] <Slipaway172> im thinking about buying a ati card and i would like to know if ati requires drivers like a nvidia card or does ubuntu already come prebuilt with official ati drivers ?
[11:07] <concept10> funkyHat, because Linux for pigs was already trademarked
[11:07] <owlmanatt_> mcphail: 32 bit AMD chips and penium M chips should be binary compatible, shouldn't they?
[11:07] <Seveas> Slipaway172, Ubuntu provides both ati and nvidia drivers...
[11:07] <mcphail> owlmanatt_: yes, but for AMD 64...
[11:07] <python> i know delire, my girlf friends two kids are some of these
[11:07] <mebaran151> owlmanatt_, actually no
[11:08] <funkyHat> concept10, by whom? my pigs use gentoo
[11:08] <mebaran151> I think AMD 32 bit chips hav ea couple extra instrucution
[11:08] <mebaran151> s
[11:08] <Comp_Lex> python: Linspire is IMHO a "fake" distro, it hides the true nature of linux
[11:08] <concept10> funkyHat, :)
[11:08] <delire> mcphail: it's an issue yes. that will change by the time my next machine is needed.
[11:08] <scythe> woo hoo , 1d 18h left on the torrent, im gonna need a lot of coffee
[11:08] <mebaran151> most notably 3dnow and 3dnowex that Intel never did put in
[11:08] <Slipaway172> but i have a nvidia and the drivers SUCK, so i downloaded the retail from a back port
[11:08] <flugh> but in fedora's favor, X is configured out of the box after installation. i had to dig up my monitor settings and stuff after ubuntu's install. but i needed practice anyway ;)
[11:08] <owlmanatt_> mebaran151: Ah, but Ubuntu x86 would run in Intel or AMD32?
[11:08] <mebaran151> owlmanatt_, yep
[11:08] <Seveas> Slipaway172, you should have followed wiku.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:08] <zerboxx> I find that some programs stick to the screens edgse or the top/bottom bar (in gnome), is it possible to make this normal for all apps?
[11:08] <concept10> flugh, yep thats true
[11:08] <mcphail> delire: i think i migt have to support the monoculture in the meantime ;p
[11:09] <mebaran151> because they are compiled for i386
[11:09] <delire> mcphail: hehe, as i said, it was a rant.
[11:09] <oni> where I can get sox?
[11:09] <mebaran151> which is the lowest common denominotr
[11:09] <python> Its a hard battle,  you have users who really dont have a clue even on windows, they can get into trouble from installing things too easily and then ended up with a cluttered system. However if its ahrder to install these people become frustrated
[11:09] <flugh> concept10, not a deal-breaker for me though. just made me realize how lazy i'd gotten ;)
[11:09] <delire> oni: apt-get install sox
[11:09] <basti_> !tell basti about ati
[11:09] <vader1102> flugh just wait, Ubuntu already kicks butt, this will improve over the next distro or 2
[11:09] <oni> it says not aviliable
[11:09] <delire> hmm
[11:09] <Seveas> oni, enable universe
[11:09] <Seveas> oni: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:10] <Seveas> oni: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:10] <oni> thnaks
[11:10] <concept10> flugh, I wouldnt say that Fedora is a bad repo. I just dont like the nature of the distro anymore.  Fedora moves to fast, I bet you cant get support for FC2 right now. Everyone will tell you to upgrade to 4.  If you have a server you dont want to update that quickly
[11:10] <frank> does anybody know how to play *.wmv's on linux?
[11:11] <python> I think the real reason to why Linux should be adopted is becoming lost, the main reason is FREEDOM in the sense of having vibrant communities and sharing applications, source code, knowledge etc. The freedom to use software despite your financial means
[11:11] <salil> hello
[11:11] <salil> i need help.. can anyone help me
[11:11] <Seveas> python, join the club
[11:11] <Slipaway172> so a ati 9000 wont work?
[11:11] <python> whats up salil
[11:11] <Seveas> Slipaway172, sure it will
[11:11] <salil> PLEASE
[11:11] <Xyk0> has anybody managed to authenticate ubuntu with Active Directory of Windows 2003 Server?
[11:11] <ubuntu> how can i get wget to download this properly
[11:11] <tritium> salil, just ask
[11:11] <ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/777
[11:11] <funkyHat> salil, just ask
[11:11] <Burgundavia> salil, just ask your question
[11:11] <delire> Fedora is an experimental OS designed as a testing ground for applications that may or may not make it into the enterprise editions. the Fedora project page makes this clear. Fedora is unstable by nature and should not be used by new linux users.
[11:12] <concept10> python, I dont think that is getting lost.  I refuse to pay for software.  And I refuse to pirate
[11:12] <Seveas> frank: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:12] <salil> hey.. Mr. Ubuntu users.. PLEASE HELP ME
[11:12] <norhted_> guys, is this a strange depency, isnt it? libgii0-target-x depends on libgii0 libgii0 depends on libgii0-target-x
[11:12] <Burgundavia> salil, just ask your question
[11:12] <tritium> salil, we already told you to ask your question
[11:12] <salil> i am having problems with my internet connection in ubuntu
[11:12] <frank> salil: whats your problem
[11:12] <Slipaway172> then why does it say to install that for 9500 and up
[11:12] <norhted_> how can i isntall them?
[11:12] <funkyHat> salil, what kind of internet connection is it?
[11:12] <frank> salil: did you check your dns's?
[11:12] <concept10> delire, true statement
[11:12] <salil> its very slow.. if i use windows, then.. there's no problem..
[11:12] <python> im glad u refuse to pirate, so do i which puts us in the open source world straight away
[11:12] <salil> its a dialup connection.. 56K
[11:12] <Burgundavia> delire, odd, because a lot of new users use Fedora, because it tends to have the newer stuff, which tends to be more usable
[11:12] <Seveas> salil, is browsing slow?
[11:12] <mcphail> Slipaway172: I'm using it on a 9000 with good results
[11:12] <python> But developers can charge for free software or open source
[11:12] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to get the "open terminal" back from the right click menu?
[11:13] <salil> yes. very slow
[11:13] <nexu|nb> can someone tell me the name of the "system admin>networking" tool?
[11:13] <Seveas> salil: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[11:13] <nexu|nb> like the binary name
[11:13] <Seveas> try whether that helps
[11:13] <flugh> concept10, yeah, i am running fc3 at the office. no real use for it at this second (next couple weeks though...). the fc4 cds are sitting next to it. i dont want to upgrade though. "If it aint broke, dont fix it"
[11:13] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to get the "open terminal" back from the right click menu?
[11:13] <Slipaway172> good, today i somehow killed my OLD nvidia V7700 card
[11:13] <Seveas> nexu|nb, network-admin
[11:13] <salil> where is about:config
[11:13] <delire> Burgundavia: it is popular by derivation of the RedHat name. this is why new users arrive at it, largely from the RH page. Fedora does not even claim to be a desktop ready OS, and why should it. it's essentially a community driven lab for trialing RH products.
[11:14] <funkyHat> salil, type it in the address bar, in firefox
[11:14] <python> salil type about:config into your browser
[11:14] <Seveas> salil, it's an address you have to enter in the firefox address bar
[11:14] <frank> python: unfortunately what if i want to pay money for something slightly "more represented, guarenteed, backedup," eh?
[11:14] <nexu|nb> Seveas: can you also tell me which package its part of pls
[11:14] <salil> ooh
[11:14] <Burgundavia> delire, the foundation should help some of that, but it is still a testbed
[11:14] <delire> Burgundavia: sure..
[11:14] <salil> so.. this is it....
[11:14] <tdmg> hey there everyone, the guys on #kubuntu sent me over here with my problem on Valknut, anyone know a bit about Valknut who can help me?
[11:14] <Seveas> nexu, gnome-system-tools
[11:14] <Nikopol> working now salil?
[11:15] <python> then u pay people like red hat to take care of this 4 u
[11:15] <salil> i'm trying..
[11:15] <Nikopol> ok
[11:15] <nexu|nb> Seveas: big thx
[11:15] <ubuntu> who do i get wget to see paste bin links properly
[11:15] <salil> seems to work.. but.. its the same with gaim and other internet softwares..
[11:15] <ubuntu> it just doenloads the php
[11:15] <norhted_> libgii0-target-x depends on libgii0; libgii0 depends on libgii0-target-x; ?
[11:15] <concept10> Burgundavia, I was using Fedora because of new packages but Ubuntu has new packages that are stable.  The community is tighter also.  You have to go through loops and chains to contribute to the project.  In ubuntu, you start when you like.  Red Hat engineers still maintain tight grip on the distro (Which is not bad)
[11:16] <funkyHat> salil, does gaim remain slow, or does it just take a while to connect initially?
[11:16] <Nikopol> salil:  gaim can be quite slow to connect even on 2M adsl
[11:16] <delire> concept10: interesting..
[11:16] <Seveas> ubuntu, in the case of the ubuntu pastebin: wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=38
[11:16] <Burgundavia> concept10, true, for some unknown reason, my lug installs FC at our install fests
[11:16] <Seveas> that will download post nr 38 as plain text
[11:16] <salil> its slow.. and it takes a time.. while starting too..
[11:16] <Nikopol> salil: and transferring files is a no-goer under gaim - best using webspace or email for that
[11:16] <salil> oh really.?
[11:16] <salil> then its fine in my pc too i think..
[11:17] <Nikopol> salil: yeah - I'll just check
[11:17] <tahooie> Did anyone get an evil firefox update that wont let you view the source?
[11:17] <Nikopol> salil: 10 secs to connect on 2M connection
[11:17] <salil> oh .. thanks..
[11:17] <concept10> Burgundavia, because everyone wants to be familiar with Red Hat because of thier position in the Enterprise market.  If you want a sysadmin job, you need to know how to admin a Red Hat machine.
[11:17] <salil> oh okay..
[11:17] <Burgundavia> concept10, yes and until then, nothing like Ubuntu exisited. All the "newbie" distros cost money
[11:17] <Nikopol> so on 56K it should be much slower
[11:17] <funkyHat> tahooie, ubuntu's firefox has been updated to 1.0.6 (yesterday)
[11:17] <scythe> redhat has the advantage of market share,
[11:17] <MartenH> Is there a way to easily switch between different keyboard lqyouts?
[11:18] <funkyHat> i don't know about the source though
[11:18] <python> Good point Concept, i work at a university and they are running Red hat Linux course soon
[11:18] <Nikopol> salil: any other problems?
[11:18] <Seveas> tahooie, the yesterday firefox upgrade solves that.
[11:18] <python> I believe Ubuntu are working on these issues though
[11:18] <salil> hey.. nikopol... can you help me with something.. can you tell me.. how to setup my machine to compile c/c++ files.. .. i'm a series 60 mobile programmer..
[11:18] <salil> and i'd like to work with linux..
[11:18] <Nikopol> ah wait a minute
[11:18] <Aron_Figaro> hey guys, I'm trying to set up a MIDI server at the moment and I need A) a good soundfont or B) a means of opening this self-extrating exe soundfont that says it can't execute.
[11:18] <tahooie> Seveas, I just upgraded minne. It seems that the latest upgrade broke it.
[11:18] <python> At the End of the day Linux is Linux
[11:18] <Seveas> tahooie, that's odd
[11:19] <MartenH> Is there a way to easily switch between different keyboard lqyouts?
[11:19] <vader1102> and the best of all choices (Linuc) ;-)
[11:19] <concept10> Burgundavia, I agree.  My last statement on this topic.  Ubuntu has done an excellent job.  Has captured a community in a short time.  I believe this is why that Ubuntu catches flak from the true Debian purists sometimes.
[11:19] <Seveas> tahooie, did you use abackported firefox?
[11:19] <psychonate> Did anyone use the quake2 and quake2-data packages?
[11:19] <tahooie> Seveas, what does backported mean? I dont know. I just use the normal instalation.
[11:19] <Nikopol> salil: can't remember but I did something from here http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:19] <ubuntu> Seveas: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=38 -o /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:20] <Seveas> tahooie, bad idea, ubuntuguide is creepy with backports
[11:20] <salil> okay.. thanks.
[11:20] <Kejk_PL> I found a bug in hotplug - it was described in: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5164.html   - the end of file
[11:20] <salil> i'll look it up..
[11:20] <ubuntu> dont do anything but copy the php
[11:20] <scythe> concept10, ubuntu may not have been able to get such a community if debian hadn't been draggin its feet,
[11:20] <Seveas> tahooie, aptitude purge firefox moizlla-firefox
[11:20] <Xyk0> has anybody managed to authenticate ubuntu against Active Directory of Windows 2003 Server?
[11:20] <scythe> but i cant down debian, its hard to matain a distro
[11:20] <tahooie> Seveas, wahoo! I just had to restart firefox. (doh!)
[11:20] <Seveas> waah lol :)
[11:20] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone have anything to help me with my self-extrating EXE problem?
[11:20] <Seveas> then discard my command :)
[11:20] <flugh> editor war in #postgresql ;)
[11:20] <ubuntu> Seveas: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/pastebin.php?download=38 -o /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <ubuntu> dont do anything but copy the php
[11:21] <nexu|nb> Aron_Figaro: does unzip work on it ?
[11:21] <zerboxx> What do I need to fix this error: "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is require d for intltool"??
[11:21] <delire> concept10: Debian never intended to be a 'desktop OS', it's a universal OS _whose primary purpose is to provide for outcomes like Ubuntu_
[11:21] <scythe> whas the problem aron?
[11:21] <Nikopol> salil: I assume you'll need GCC and other stuff with it
[11:21] <Seveas> ubuntu, -O
[11:21] <Seveas> not -o
[11:21] <Nikopol> but I can't remember what package it's all bundled into
[11:21] <ubuntu> ah
[11:21] <mcphail> Aron_Figaro: you could try a simple unzip.  I even tried with reconfiguring xserver. fckin hell it worked just fine on my brothers pc
[11:21] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  take a look at 'unp' in apt
[11:21] <salil> i've already installed gcc...
[11:22] <Seveas> basti, badmouthing won't help. Please watch your language
[11:22] <salil> i mean.. i've already installed all the packages that come with ubuntu..
[11:22] <Seveas> basti: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:22] <abydos> unp for unpack
[11:22] <ubuntu> Seveas: wget: invalid option -- 0
[11:22] <Seveas> ubuntu, -O
[11:22] <concept10> scythe, Maybe, but I think they would have still made a difference.  Ubuntu community and atmosphere == :) Okay, let me help you with that.  Debian == I run CLI only, I dont know how to install that theme.  GGRRRRRRRRRowl.... :)R
[11:22] <Seveas> not -0
[11:22] <Seveas> it's a capital O
[11:22] <mcphail> salil: build-essential should have everything you need
[11:23] <jalan2> please help me install ubuntu
[11:23] <concept10> scythe, j/k
[11:23] <Seveas> jalan2, what's the problem?
[11:23] <abydos> concept10:  Ubuntu has a much more personable community than debian
[11:23] <Aron_Figaro> unzip fails
[11:23] <Slipaway172> jalan2,  put the cd in the drive and hit enter
[11:23] <MAPD> hyi
[11:23] <MAPD> hi
[11:23] <MAPD> with the live cd i can install ubuntu?
[11:23] <AndyRR> hi anyone able to call me using gnomemeeting?
[11:23] <Seveas> MAPD, no
[11:23] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  sudo apt-get install unp
[11:23] <MAPD> or need specially download  the install iso?
[11:23] <Slipaway172> MAPD, no
[11:23] <Aron_Figaro> doing that now actually :p
[11:23] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  then unp archive_here
[11:23] <Seveas> MAPD, yep, download the installer
[11:23] <Sputn1k> how to change ubuntu spash screen?
[11:23] <concept10> MAPD, yes get the iso
[11:24] <Sputn1k> *gnome
[11:24] <MAPD> the install iso?
[11:24] <mcphail> Aron_Figaro: can you run it under WINE?
[11:24] <oni> how I can force my Trash to empty?
[11:24] <Seveas> Sputn1k: To change the Ubuntu splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image
[11:24] <MAPD> i thought it was like knoopix
[11:24] <scythe> concept10,i agree, i coundn't get my gdm or kdm up and running on my laptop in debian, i am slowly converting from suse to ubuntu... that is a big change
[11:24] <MAPD> :p
[11:24] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di"
[11:24] <Aron_Figaro> Aha, it's in Orange.
[11:24] <salil> yes..
[11:24] <Seveas> oni, rm -rf ~/.Trash
[11:24] <oni> thanks
[11:24] <Aron_Figaro> Which I've never heard of before. What happened to compression format standards? :p
[11:24] <jalan2> the computer is around 1997s
[11:24] <MAPD> thank you very much
[11:24] <delire> concept10: many folk here run Debian (like me, since 'Potato'). like them i find the culture of #debian generally poor, but love the community in other manifestations.
[11:24] <Slipaway172> MAPD, using the install cd is the only guantarred was and most recogonized
[11:24] <MAPD> another thing
[11:24] <MAPD> i have an ati 9700 256mb
[11:24] <abydos> Aron_Figaro:  they all died, very painfully and horribly
[11:24] <MAPD> how can i install it?
[11:25] <jalan2> i need help installing ubuntu---in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di"
[11:25] <Seveas> MAPD, is that a PCI express?
[11:25] <Slipaway172> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:25] <MAPD> Seveas PCI
[11:25] <Slipaway172> go there
[11:25] <MAPD> im sorry
[11:25] <MAPD> AG
[11:25] <Seveas> MAPD: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/782
[11:25] <MAPD> AGP
[11:25] <MAPD> lOL
[11:25] <abydos> How would one modify the image brightness and contrast in mplayer?
[11:25] <Seveas> ah ok
[11:25] <MAPD> where the well i thought PCi
[11:25] <MAPD> Lol
[11:25] <concept10> delire, I run debian also.  I agree with you about the culture of pound debian .  Maybe I havent been around long enough
[11:25] <Slipaway172> MAPD, no it is a AGP X8
[11:25] <Seveas> discard my last URL then MAPD
[11:25] <Aron_Figaro> still won't freaking unzip
[11:25] <Aron_Figaro> maybe it's a windows installer and they didn't tell me.
[11:26] <MAPD> Slipaway172 i meant agp 4x
[11:26] <MAPD> lOl
[11:26] <puff> i'm generally a debian guy, but I need to install a desktop (instead of a server) and some folks have recommended ubuntu to me as being a good, installer-friendly, GUI-friendly distro.
[11:26] <puff> Any feedback?
[11:26] <MAPD> Seveas so any new url?
[11:26] <norhted_> how can i mount an hd?
[11:26] <MAPD> im a beginner
[11:26] <Seveas> puff, these people were right :)
[11:26] <jalan2> hello?
[11:26] <vader1102> puff: it's awsome dude
[11:26] <Slipaway172> its 4x, dam i thought it was 8x
[11:26] <concept10> heh
[11:26] <Seveas> MAPD: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:26] <jalan2> i also need help
[11:26] <Seveas> norhted_, windows drive?
[11:26] <scythe> puff, i would recommend it for a desktop, i preferr it over the other 5-6 distros ive tried / used in the last year
[11:26] <norhted_> yes
[11:27] <norhted_> Seveas: yes
[11:27] <Seveas> jalan2, ask your quwstion :)
[11:27] <delire> puff: ubuntu sounds like a good fit for you.
[11:27] <Seveas> norhted_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:27] <MAPD> yes
[11:27] <MAPD> im there
[11:27] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di" how to solve it?
[11:27] <Sputn1k> Seveas i should change spalsh screen value?
[11:27] <LasseL> puff, it is nice for servers too :)
[11:27] <Seveas> Sputn1k, yup
[11:27] <MAPD> im a beginner is ubuntu the right choice for me?
[11:27] <MAPD> never used debian
[11:27] <Seveas> MAPD, absolute
[11:27] <puff> Any hardcore debian folks who've switched ot ubuntu and can give me a compare/contrast?
[11:27] <Slipaway172> puff, www.distrowatch.com cant be wrong about it being #1
[11:27] <vader1102> MAPD: you bet
[11:27] <Seveas> MAPD, lots of linux beginners use Ubuntu
[11:27] <puff> scythe: Was one of those other 5-6 debian?
[11:27] <MAPD> ok thanks
[11:28] <shark_> hello, any volunteer for writting linux articles?
[11:28] <MAPD> if i learn a lot
[11:28] <delire> puff: i haven't 'switched' but i do run ubuntu on some of my machines.
[11:28] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di" how to solve it?
[11:28] <vader1102> puff: it was for me
[11:28] <scythe> mapd, your in the right room if you run into something that you cannot handle, its a great distro for beginners (after 5 years of almost completely windows free, i am still a beginner)
[11:28] <MAPD> can ubuntu be usuful to me?
[11:28] <Seveas> MAPD, most sertainly
[11:28] <Slipaway172> ?
[11:28] <Andares> MAPD, What do you need done?
[11:28] <salil> hey.. my internet programs are still slow..
[11:28] <salil> firefox has improved a little.. but not that much..
[11:28] <scythe> what are you trying to do mapd?
[11:28] <Comp_Lex> puff: I switched from debian 2 ubuntu
[11:28] <Slipaway172> it has everything u would need
[11:28] <jalan2> stuck at 1% then restart over again
[11:28] <Sputn1k> Seveas: no value is splash/ubuntu-splash.png, i should replace it with /home/jurgis/24273-ximian-desktop-unstable-splash.png?
[11:28] <MAPD> Andares prgramming first
[11:28] <Slipaway172> i would recommend some programs from the backports
[11:28] <MAPD> but a few games
[11:28] <LasseL> puff, my gentoo server and my windows workstation crashed within 24 hours 3 weeks ago. I replaced them both with ubuntu and I never missed them a second
[11:29] <MAPD> web designing
[11:29] <Seveas> jalan2, please verify the MD5SUM of the installer ISO before installing
[11:29] <cs378> is ubuntu any good for a total newbie?
[11:29] <Seveas> Sputn1k, yes
[11:29] <MAPD> LasseL thx
[11:29] <MAPD> :p
[11:29] <Slipaway172> yes
[11:29] <scythe> what games mapd? , programming, yess
[11:29] <cs378> or suse is better
[11:29] <Andares> MAPD, Well, you could get Wine/Cedega for the games and KDevelop is an excellent IDE for programming.
[11:29] <MAPD> scythe cs 1.6
[11:29] <MAPD> :P
[11:29] <Slipaway172> suse = $
[11:29] <Seveas> MAPD, you should look at nvu too for web designing
[11:29] <scythe> cant help ya on that one
[11:29] <cs378> oh
[11:29] <delire> puff: as a long time Debian user, Ubuntu is the perfect marriage of a great DE, solid FOSS integrity and the strength/flexibility of Debian.
[11:29] <MAPD> nvu?
[11:29] <norhted_> Seveas: how can i run it?
[11:29] <scythe> suse can be downlaoded free as well,
[11:29] <Seveas> cs378, ubuntu is muxh better
[11:29] <vader1102> I have suse on my desktop pc, I prefer Ubuntu
[11:29] <jalan2> what's MD5SUM?
[11:29] <MAPD> scythe private version
[11:30] <scythe> i recommend ubuntu over suse (I used suse for 3 years)
[11:30] <MAPD> personal i mean
[11:30] <norhted_> cs378: much much better:
[11:30] <Seveas> norhted_, instructions are inside it, read it :)
[11:30] <MAPD> ok thanks
[11:30] <jalan2> what's the command?
[11:30] <Slipaway172> but i found suse to be difficult to get ecpically on a 256kbs connection
[11:30] <cs378> im just afraid that it might not work on my laptop, u kno like hardware problems is pain
[11:30] <funkyHat> mapd, yes, nvu is pretty good, look it up at www.nvu.com, if you want to install it i'd suggest getting the .package file
[11:30] <Seveas> cs378, Ubuntu has the best hardware support I have ever seen
[11:30] <cs378> really
[11:30] <Seveas> yes
[11:30] <norhted_> Seveas: ha ha ha, right :) i am warming up with linux thing :)
[11:30] <Aron_Figaro> Ok, I'm trying to compile Wine now, and I'm on an AMD64 system (I know I have to compile from source to get it to work on my machine).
[11:30] <MAPD> one question please
[11:31] <Seveas> worket out of the box here on 3 non-standard laptops with weird hardware :)
[11:31] <scythe> cs, i have a laptop that has ran ubuntu (had to reimage to get a certain program back... it was easier that way....) it has good support
[11:31] <Slipaway172> ok
[11:31] <MAPD> i forgot
[11:31] <MAPD> lOL
[11:31] <Slipaway172> lol
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> I did apt-get build-dep wine
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> that worked
[11:31] <Seveas> cs378, where no other distro would even install :)
[11:31] <MAPD> i remember now
[11:31] <MartenH> Is there a terminal command to switch between keyboard layouts?
[11:31] <Slipaway172> ok
[11:31] <MAPD> ubuntu
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> then I tried to build the source, and it's giving me an error
[11:31] <Slipaway172> yeah
[11:31] <Aron_Figaro> Anyone care to help me out?
[11:31] <scythe> the only thing i cant get to work is my memory stick pro reader
[11:31] <MAPD> got a command like yum or emerge rught?
[11:31] <delire> Seveas: 3 laptops, you're worse than me ;)
[11:31] <MAPD> right?
[11:31] <puff> delire: FOSS?
[11:31] <funkyHat> MAPD, apt-get
[11:31] <MAPD> ok
[11:31] <Kejk_PL> oh God, I spended two days to help uber_newber install his USB WLAN - echo /sbin/hotplug > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug  al what is needed :/
[11:31] <Seveas> MAPD, apt-get or aptitude
[11:31] <cs378> ok then, u guys have changed me to move to ubuntu after 4 days of suse
[11:31] <scythe> its called apt-get mapd
[11:31] <LasseL> only thing I wish is that there was a newbie friendly installer for all the non-free stuff that most people want
[11:31] <delire> puff: free and open-source software
[11:31] <puff> Ah.
[11:31] <cs378> ill get back here if i need help
[11:31] <cs378> thx
[11:31] <cs378> lol
[11:31] <jalan2> anyone would please help me?
[11:31] <MAPD> it downloads from the net right?
[11:31] <scythe> dang fukyhat, you type quick
[11:31] <Seveas> MAPD, or even betterL synaptic
[11:32] <scythe> yuppers
[11:32] <jalan2> what's MD5SUM?
[11:32] <jalan2> what's the command?
[11:32] <Slipaway172> i like the package manager
[11:32] <jalan2> in the middle, it keeps over again after "nic-firmware_2.6.10-5-386-di" how to solve it?
[11:32] <Seveas> jalan2, search for MD5SUM on the ubuntu wiki
[11:32] <jalan2> ic
[11:32] <norhted_> Seveas: Do you want to make the disk writable by all users instead? (y/n) YES OR NO?
[11:32] <scythe> woo hoo, 1day 17 hours to a working system!!!!!!
[11:32] <scythe> lol
[11:32] <Seveas> norhted_, depends on what you want :)
[11:32] <Slipaway172> jalan2, use " md5sum <directory and file>
[11:32] <funkyHat> MAPD, check out the man page for apt-get, or as Seveas said, synaptic is a graphical version of that, and is dead easy to use
[11:32] <dabaR> Aron_Figaro: sudo aptitude install wine
[11:32] <ubuntu> Seveas: Hey i saw my mistake then saw you corected me to thanks
[11:32] <dabaR> !info wine
[11:32] <ubotu> wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1248 kB, Installed size: 2596 kB
[11:32] <norhted_> Seveas: i just want to read files from my win drives
[11:33] <Seveas> norhted_, then N
[11:33] <cs378> !info ati
[11:33] <MAPD> i am a special case
 .P
 i need to replace
 that commands
 for a portuguese mirror
[11:33] <Slipaway172> MAPD, use synpatic
[11:33] <norhted_> Seveas: OK :)
[11:33] <cs378> !info fglrx
[11:33] <Seveas> MAPD, do NOT paste in here!
[11:33] <MAPD> sorry
[11:33] <MAPD> .\
[11:33] <Slipaway172> ?
[11:33] <scythe> wine = Wine Is Not an Emulator :)
[11:33] <ubuntu> Seveas: are there some other options bye the way for wget that do that for like other links only mozila usually works out
[11:33] <MAPD> i have download limits
[11:33] <dabaR> I cantuse private msgs if anyone is trying to msg me
[11:33] <MAPD> and i cant update my system
[11:33] <scythe> how big of a limit?
[11:33] <Slipaway172> from what
[11:33] <MAPD> 4gb/month
[11:33] <MAPD> international downloads
[11:33] <Slipaway172> lol
[11:33] <MAPD> national unlimited
[11:33] <MAPD> :\
[11:34] <Slipaway172> that sucks
[11:34] <ubuntu> Seveas: like not just text files but links that arnt exsact
[11:34] <scythe> ahhh, the install cd will work fine, where you located?
[11:34] <cs378> has anyone successfully installed the Ati mobility driver into Ubuntu n have 3d eccleration
[11:34] <Slipaway172> i got unlimited from anywhere
[11:34] <LasseL> norhted, isn't your windows drives mounted "out-of-the-box" ? I think mine were
[11:34] <Seveas> cs378: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:34] <MAPD> cs378 i have an ati mobility
[11:34] <MAPD> i have the sane problem
[11:34] <MAPD> same
[11:34] <Seveas> and it works fine here (the 3 laptops have ATI chips)
[11:34] <jalan2> is that a command or a program? do i have to download?
[11:34] <Aron_Figaro> Ok, it doesn't work so far.
[11:34] <MAPD> so can i replace the commands from portuguese mirrors?
[11:35] <Seveas> LasseL, they aren't
[11:35] <Seveas> that will be fixed in the next version of Ubuntu
[11:35] <mcphail> ATI driver fine on this laptop
[11:35] <jalan2> MD5SUM is this a command or a program? do i have to download?
[11:35] <MAPD> mcphail which laptop?
[11:35] <cs378> ooh righttt
[11:35] <MAPD> i mean graphic card
[11:35] <Seveas> MAPD, if you know any portuguese mirrors, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list to use them
[11:35] <mcphail> mobility 9000
[11:35] <MAPD> ok thanks
[11:35] <cs378> mobility 9700
[11:35] <Seveas> MAPD, on ubuntu.com/download you can see a list of mirrors
[11:35] <MAPD> :)
[11:35] <MAPD> cs378 like me
[11:36] <delire> cs378: fine here also, but i wouldn't reccommend using my method. use the Ubuntu way to install this driver. i compile it.
[11:36] <cs378> yea, but i havent installed ubuntu yet, soon, maybe tonight
[11:36] <ubuntu> Seveas: are there some other options bye the way for wget that do that for like other links only mozila usually works out?
[11:36] <ubuntu> Seveas: like not just text files but links that arnt exsact
[11:36] <MAPD> install it
[11:36] <MAPD> and tell me if it works
[11:36] <jalan2> MD5SUM is this a command or a program? do i have to download?
[11:36] <Seveas> ubuntu, what do you mean..?
[11:36] <MAPD> i am a special case
 .P
 i need to replace
 that commands
 for a portuguese mirror
[11:36] <MAPD> oops
[11:36] <cs378> MAPD: sure
[11:36] <MAPD> my mistake
[11:37] <norhted_> Seveas: mounting is done, but i want to mount them when i required not all the time
[11:37] <Seveas> jalan2, are you already on an Ubuntu system?
[11:37] <Seveas> norhted, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:37] <Seveas> replace auto with noauto in the lines for your windows drive
[11:37] <jalan2> no
[11:37] <ubuntu> Seveas: like if i put certain links into wget it onlly downloads some php file or something sometimes
[11:37] <norhted_> Seveas: how can you know the all answers of mine :P
[11:37] <delire> Seveas: are you aware of a graphical interface to fstab? something like 'add new partition or disk'. i think newbies would appreciate this.
[11:37] <bluefoxicy> whoa
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> openoffice.org2 just crashed
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> and I told it to recover
[11:38] <jalan2> stopped at the install part
[11:38] <ubuntu> Seveas: this might be a link to a zip or iso or somthing
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> and it recovered to the exact letter I was editing.
[11:38] <Seveas> ubuntu, what you want sounds more like the output of lynx -dump
[11:38] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, NICE!
[11:38] <soothsayer> anyone gotten gd w/ PHP to work with ubuntu?
[11:38] <delire> bluefoxicy: that's a treat isn't it ;)
[11:38] <Seveas> soothsayer, aptitude install php4-gd
[11:38] <mcphail> delire: IIRC, SuSE has one in YAST. Might be worth borrowing for ubuntu
[11:38] <dmgunn> I have Ubuntu 5.04, is there a way to write to NTFS?
[11:38] <Slipaway172> MAPD,  said that was a accident
[11:38] <delire> mcphail: good thought.
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  yeah, it was cute, it even loaded both the spreadsheet and the document I was editing
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  and it stacked the document on top of the spread sheet as it was, and when i hit save it saved it to the actual file :)
[11:39] <Seveas> dmgunn, google for captive ntfs
[11:39] <soothsayer> k..
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> damn nice checkpointing.
[11:39] <Seveas> i'd say
[11:39] <ubuntu> Seveas: are there any other comands like -O that get wget to the source in other situations like for zip or iso or exe files
[11:40] <Seveas> ubuntu, -O does not get it to the source
[11:40] <soothsayer> hrm, it asks for root
[11:40] <Seveas> -O means: save as what comes next
[11:40] <ubuntu> ah
[11:40] <delire> ubuntu: you may want to look at lwp-rget
[11:41] <soothsayer> Seveas, is that gd2?
[11:41] <Seveas> the ?download=38 gave you the source of the paste, but that's a feature of the pastebin, not of wet
[11:41] <ubuntu> Seveas: its just in the man it seemed to say it was for text files only but would it work for zips or ISOs too?
[11:41] <Seveas> yes
[11:41] <Seveas> soothsayer, no
[11:42] <Seveas> there is no php4-gd2 apparently
[11:42] <soothsayer> oh :/
[11:42] <Seveas> odd...
[11:42] <dmgunn> how do I get captive on ubuntu? It's not in list
[11:42] <ubuntu> Seveas: so if the source of the paste was too a ISO or zip it would work with -O too?
[11:42] <MAPD> Seveas
[11:42] <soothsayer> yeah.. gd2 is kinda essential for me, rather than gd1
[11:42] <Seveas> ubuntu, yes
[11:42] <MAPD> sorry
[11:42] <Seveas> soothsayer, i'm looking at it, hang on
[11:42] <ubuntu> ah cooooooool
[11:43] <soothsayer> great.. thanks
[11:43] <ubuntu> Seveas: in the man it just looked like it was only for text files
[11:43] <holycow> ubuntu, how the hell did you end up with that nick?
[11:43] <ubuntu> Seveas: chears
[11:43] <Burgundavia> holycow, anybody that joins with the hoary or breezy livecds gets that nick
[11:44] <benplaut> or the default vanilla install...
[11:44] <Burgundavia> no
[11:44] <Burgundavia> the vanilla install will use your login name
[11:44] <holycow> Burgundavia, really?
[11:44] <holycow> aha!
[11:44] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but the default login name is ubuntu :)
[11:44] <benplaut> oh
[11:45] <Burgundavia> Seveas, for the livecd, yes
[11:45] <cs378> b4 i dl the iso, one more thing i need to more, those Ubuntu auto sets dual boot if i have winXP install already
[11:45] <mebaran151> cs378, yeah, did mine
[11:45] <cs378> ok
[11:45] <cs378> thx
[11:45] <cs378> laters guys
[11:46] <Seveas> soothsayer, somehow there are sources, but no .deb file for it
[11:46] <flower> hi@all
[11:46] <soothsayer> weird
[11:46] <benplaut> hello
[11:46] <soothsayer> i have tried: apt-get install php4-gd2
[11:46] <_olaf> well, i got my ubuntu cds in the mail today, my first test, and i must say, i'm impressed
[11:47] <soothsayer> but it says that there is no installation candidate
[11:47] <Andares> Hello.
[11:47] <Seveas> soothsayer, i'm creating a deb now
[11:47] <Spud_> hey does anyone have a sec to help me run and ident program for irc
[11:47] <Andares> How do I enable my second monitor in ubuntu?
[11:47] <soothsayer> perfect, thanks
[11:48] <norhted_> i have a creative 4+1 speakers but the sound is too low(although i maximazed the volume), any guess?
[11:48] <Andares> norhted, I think I can answer this one.
[11:48] <ubuntu> I like the ubuntu fourm #fedora is very tight feeling, friendly here
[11:48] <Andares> Go to a terminal and type alsamixer.
[11:48] <ubuntu> but its ok
[11:48] <norhted_> Andares: :)
[11:49] <funkyHat> lmao, ubuntu with a nick like that
[11:49] <jkka> breezy works fine for the first time for a long time :)
[11:49] <benplaut> OK, i need help (apparently)
[11:49] <Andares> Tell me what it says under Master | Headphones | PCM.
[11:49] <scythe> nothted, do you have the external amp setting on in alsa mixer?
[11:49] <phixion> I have a folder with /bin/ /lib/ and /share/ directories in, how can I copy them over?
[11:49] <norhted_> alsamizer is working nice :)
[11:49] <ubuntu> funkyHat, lol
[11:49] <funkyHat> but i still agree with you
[11:50] <Aron_Figaro> Can anyone give me a hand compiling Wine from source? I'm getting an error.
[11:50] <funkyHat> Aron_Figaro, what is the error>
[11:50] <din> zerboxx,
[11:50] <funkyHat> *?
[11:50] <din> err
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> Aron_Figaro: why from souurce if you dont mind me asking?
[11:50] <norhted_> Andares: thnx :)
[11:50] <vader1102> how do I do a .deb package?
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> vader1102: dpkg -i <deb>
[11:51] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i
[11:51] <vader1102> ty
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> make sure you sudo
[11:51] <Andares> * to|m has quit ("Verlassend")
[11:51] <Andares> hybrid_goth, I don't think you need to sudo to do alsamixer.
[11:51] <MartenH> Is there a terminal command to switch between keyboard layouts?
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> Andares: to dpkg -i you do
[11:51] <scythe> but you do need to do a sudo for dpkg
[11:51] <Andares> oh.
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> ;-)
[11:52] <Andares> I thought you were talking about alsamixer, hybrid_goth.
[11:52] <hybrid_goth> nah ;)
[11:52] <Andares> lewl.
[11:52] <vader1102> got it thanx
[11:52] <Andares> I wonder if I could hack bitlbee a bit so that it would recognize and parse HTML tags.
[11:52] <Seveas> soothsayer, still there?
[11:52] <soothsayer> yep :)
[11:52] <benplaut> i'm having some problems upgrading to Firefox 1.06
[11:52] <benplaut> error in #flood
[11:53] <MAPD> thank you everyone
[11:53] <Seveas> soothsayer, http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/php4-gd2_4.3.2+rc3-2_i386.deb
[11:54] <MAPD> Seveas are you part of ubuntu development?
[11:54] <Spud_> anyone have a minute im very new to linux?
[11:54] <Seveas> MAPD, no
[11:54] <scythe> what do you need spud?
[11:54] <Spud_> im trying to i guess install wine
[11:54] <Seveas> benplaut, did you perhaps use a backported firefox?
[11:54] <funkyHat> benplaut, uninstall firefox and firefox-gnome-support that you installed from backports, and remove config
[11:54] <Spud_> and its not going very well
[11:54] <funkyHat> Seveas, yes he did
[11:54] <soothsayer> thanks seveas, i'll give it a try
[11:54] <benplaut> you have to remove config?
[11:55] <MAPD> Seveas know members of the development team'
[11:55] <MAPD> i wanted to make a deal with them :p
[11:55] <Seveas> soothsayer, let me know how it works out
[11:55] <delire> Spud_: from memory you have to run 'winesetup'
[11:55] <benplaut> ahh, i see
[11:55] <Seveas> MAPD, like what?
[11:55] <soothsayer> err.. sorry, i'm a linux newb. How do i go about using that file?
[11:55] <delire> Spud_: that is a graphical wizard that will take you through the process.
[11:56] <Spud_> thank you very much
[11:56] <delire> Spud_: probably the fastest way to do this, is from a terminal. just type the word and hit enter.
[11:56] <MAPD> Seveas a school
[11:56] <funkyHat> can anyone fix this:   "error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[11:56] <MAPD> who wanted to use linux
[11:56] <Seveas> soothsayer, sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:56] <soothsayer> k
[11:56] <benplaut> funkyHat: still erroring out
[11:57] <Seveas> funkyHat, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:57] <Spud_> command not found...i dont even think i got the package correctly
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> evening, a while ago i changed the driver in xorg.conf to vesa to solve a resolution problem (someone suggested it and it worked). Now i've tried entering the rates for the monitor but can't remember the "normal" graphics driver!
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> is it "ati"?
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> for an ati card
[11:57] <sexcopter8000m> or something like flgfx?
[11:57] <delire> Spud_: right ok, can you type 'wine' and hit return?
[11:57] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, if you installed linux-restricted-modules you can use both
[11:57] <delire> Spud_: it may not be installed at at all by the sounds of it.
[11:57] <funkyHat> benplaut, you need to remove the files and apply, and then install the new version, if you're using synaptic
[11:57] <Seveas> fglrx is the binary-only driver from ati
[11:58] <Spud_> yeah i been trying to find it for a bit now
[11:58] <Seveas> ati is the open source driver (with much less performance)
[11:58] <MAPD> Seveas understand a school who wanted to use linux
[11:58] <MAPD> ?*
[11:58] <cyphase> woohoo
[11:58] <cyphase> i see firefox has been upgraded again..
[11:59] <cyphase> no more crashing! :)
[11:59] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm. i certainly didn't knowingly install that. basically out of the box i was stuck in 640 and this vesa driver worked. maybe the step from here would be to try "ati"?
[11:59] <benplaut> funkyHat: as soon as i mark firefox for removal, it marks the others for upgrade
[11:59] <sexcopter8000m> will the "ati" driver have any 3d facility?
[11:59] <funkyHat> benplaut, mark them for removal too
[11:59] <benplaut> oh


[00:25] <Muscovy> Hello all.
[00:30] <Crisco> ello
[00:32] <UndiFineD> hello
[00:32] <Muscovy> I'm asking #ubuntu-motu about some install stuff. :D
[00:34] <UndiFineD> :)
[00:34] <UndiFineD> packaging details :)


[00:06] <troglobyte> twin view spreads the desktop across both monitors.  panels only on one unless you decide to add more to the second,
[00:06] <troglobyte> drag and drop, etc all work across both
[00:24] <Vonor> hi
[00:26] <Guest31371> xubuntu 9.10 ltsp install fails, syslog says that the packages libnewt0.52, libuuid1, ext2-modules and efi-modules do not exist
[00:37] <Mystique> hey all; anyone around?
[00:38] <Mystique> I've been trying to get apm working on 9.10.. used to work *perfectly* in 9.04
[00:39] <Mystique> should I try to get powersaved working?
[01:06] <owen1> anyone knows the name of the utility for setting up a usb stick where you can install ubuntu from the usb? (not the unetbootin)
[01:20] <dm_synck> Not sure. Tried searching Ubuntu forums ?
[01:35] <owen1> dm_synck: will do it now
[01:55] <owen1> can i install text-based xubutu with the desktop cd?
[01:56] <owen1> when i hit f6 (other options) i see: acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, edd=on, nodmraid, free software only
[02:01] <electrifiedspam> I have a working script that switches my caps lock and Ctrl. How can I have this run at startup?
[02:04] <Techie> electrifiedspam, add it into the statup commands
[02:04] <Techie> startup*
[02:05] <Techie> under sessions (im not in xubuntu, or even linux so i cant be precise)
[02:08] <dm_synck> For text based xubuntu, maybe you want the "minimal" cd.
[02:09] <dm_synck> You may have to poke around on the Ubuntu site to find it, but it is there somewhere.
[02:11] <owen1> dm_synck: got it. thank
[02:11] <dm_synck> Glad to help.
[02:56] <emma> Does xubuntu 9.10 use the latest kernel?
[02:57] <emma> owen1: im using that right now actually. Do you run Ubuntu of any kind currently?  If so just go to system > administrate > make bootable usb
[03:35] <owen1> emma: thanks. i finally installed it from a cd.
[04:34] <rkaran> any one know if there are packages for gvim available for Xubuntu 9.10?  sudo apt-get install vim-gtk does not seem to exist, neither do vim-gnome, vim-tiny
[04:35] <rkaran> sorry, I meant to say 'sudo apt-get install vim-gtk' does not seem to work as the package does not exist
[04:37] <C00LARR01> i am wanting to buy a usb wifi adapter and looking to see if anyone has any good experiece with a certain make and model?
[04:51] <Rapsod> hello, is anyone connected?
[04:51] <Rapsod> I am having installation issues
[04:56] <_Techie_> Rapsod, there are always people connected, just most of them are about as much use as a nail without a hammer
[04:57] <Rapsod> ok
[04:57] <_Techie_> as for me, im playing fallout 3
[04:57] <_Techie_> so dont expect any speedy answers
[04:58] <Rapsod> well, as so many people are online
[04:58] <Rapsod> more info
[04:58] <Rapsod> i was trying to install karmic
[04:58] <Rapsod> using the alternate cd since i have 256 ram
[04:59] <Rapsod> the live cd didnt want to boot
[04:59]  * likemindead wonders, "Why are there so many lurkers in here? :-\
[04:59] <likemindead> Did you run the "Check disc for defects" option, Rapsod?
[05:00] <Rapsod> yes
[05:00] <Rapsod> no error
[05:00] <C00LARR01> Rapsod: did you but it to cd or use a usb drive to try to install
[05:01] <Rapsod> also checked md5 of iso
[05:02] <likemindead> I know this is lame, but I've tried to boot A LOT of Live CDs on A LOT of different machines and sometimes you find one that just won't boot.
[05:03] <likemindead> No doubt there's a command you can enter to force it, but that'd be beyond me.
[05:03] <Rapsod> i use a cd
[05:04] <C00LARR01> Rapsod: i tried to install 9.10 on my laptop using the alternate install on my usb drive and it didnt work but the regualar one worked just fine
[05:06] <Rapsod> i also noted that each new version of *buntu is harder to install than the former one
[05:07] <Rapsod> the errors mass-appear on 'installing the base system' step
[05:08] <likemindead> Sorry that's been your experience, Rapsod, but I've installed every version of *buntu on many different machines with no problems.
[05:08] <C00LARR01> ya i have had no problems other than this 1 time with the alternate install
[05:08] <likemindead> If you don't *need* to be on the bleeding edge, I'd fall back to the Long Term Support Release, 8.04 now.
[05:09] <Rapsod> yay
[05:09] <likemindead> It'll be MUCH more stable.
[05:09] <Rapsod> that is a thing i didnt noted, however i already lost 2 cds
[05:09] <Rapsod> not that i am complaining, but
[05:10] <Rapsod> what would you recommend for the 8.04 alternate or desktop?
[05:10] <likemindead> Alternate will be faster. Especially if you have low specs.
[05:10] <Rapsod> excellent
[05:10] <likemindead> G'nite, all.
[05:11] <Rapsod> well torrenting now will see tomorrow
[05:14] <Rapsod> thanks for advice, all of you
[05:19] <chowells_> Is xfce supposed to do things like let you drag windows around by their menu bars?
[05:19] <_Techie_> it should
[05:20] <_Techie_> anyway, im gonna go install kubuntu on my other HDD
[05:20] <chowells_> I'm guessing xfce is crashing then.  my system is acting like it's not running any wm
[05:20] <chowells_> does it have a log somewhere?
[05:55] <CountDown> Is there a version of the 9.10 release for the PPC port that fixes the oversized ISO bug?
[07:27] <subspider> good morning everybody
[08:10] <c_wraith> huh.  where is disabling my trackpad's tap-to-click in the xfce settings?
[11:23] <Rapsod> hello, im getting this error while trying to install:
[11:23] <Rapsod> exception Emask 0x0
[11:25] <Rapsod> I disabled on bios Smart for hdd and it disappeared, but then came again later
[14:01] <robertf> Hello
[14:01] <robertf> !sources.list
[14:02] <robertf> Where can i find the xubuntu's netboot.tar.gz
[14:12] <wrgb> robertf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[14:13] <robertf> wrgb> there is only ubuntu or not xubuntu
[14:22] <wrgb> Can't find one for Xubuntu, the documentation for network install says you can use the image from the alternate install cd
[14:24] <robertf> wrgb> ok; thank you
[14:42] <YeahRight> anyone here who could help me with smbmount maybe? i keep getting a mount error (112) : host is down reply while host is perfectly up
[14:43] <TheSheep> check the firewall
[14:44] <YeahRight> ok...easy to forget..i check but file sharing should be allowed
[14:46] <YeahRight> sheesh...you were right TheSheep..i feel stupid now though the range should be allowed
[14:46] <YeahRight> anyway thanks
[14:54] <anadgouda> i am setting up the kiosk mode using info in xfce wiki, but the xfdesktop settings don't seem to work
[14:56] <travkin> Hi to all! My issue: when i'm starting ANY application, my CPU goes up at 100%... In other distros i don't have this issue
[14:59] <anadgouda> travkin: does it happen only at application startup?
[14:59] <anadgouda> Anybody tried the kiosk mode?
[15:00] <travkin> anadgouda, yes
[15:00] <travkin> i also tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu, the same :( tried vesa too..
[15:00] <YeahRight> in synaptics manager what does the second column mean? thats the one were some packages have an ubuntu icon in front of their name
[15:02] <anadgouda> travkin: any information in the logs?
[15:04] <travkin> nope, for example, when I start terminal, in htop i can see that it uses only 10% of cpu, but CPU goes to 100%
[15:04] <travkin> goes up*
[15:05] <YeahRight> do you start any flash content by any chance?
[15:05] <YeahRight> cause i had the issue too and it was because of flash
[15:05] <YeahRight> any browser that might start maybe?
[15:06] <travkin> nop
[15:50] <CountDown> Is there a version of the 9.10 release for the PPC port that fixes the oversized ISO bug?
[20:24] <IulianISI> hi
[20:24] <IulianISI> I have a laptop DELL Inspiron 6400 with a ATI X1400 video card.
[20:24] <IulianISI> I've tried different approaches described on several forums but nothing is working properly. Now i have installed on my laptop the Radeon driver and i have some graphical acceleration but is working slow and the resolution is stucked at 1024x768.
[20:24] <IulianISI> I booted from the CD loads and everything worked fine and the ATI graphics acceleration worked really well.
[20:24] <IulianISI> How can i make it work like that on my installed version?
[20:25] <likemindead> Not sure, IulianISI. I avoid ATI. :-\
[20:26] <IulianISI> tx
[20:34] <j0inty><EMAIL_ADDRESS>have an IDE CD-RW burner which will detect as a SCSI drive and doesn't work with brasero,xfburn, because he can't detect read/write speed of this drive ! http://paste.ubuntu.com/320271/
[20:38] <FrozenFire[work]> Does anyone know of an XFCE panel widget which shows a text entry, to be passed to a command?
[20:38] <FrozenFire[work]> Similar to the look of the Verve widget
[20:38] <j0inty> does anyone known a workaround for older CD-RW drive that will not run und sci driver ??
[20:39] <j0inty> "und sci" = "under scsi"
[20:57] <FrozenFire[work]> Is there a panel plugin similar to xfce-generic-slider, but a text entry like Verve?
[21:37] <wwig> hello, may xubu run smooth on a p3 500 with 384MB RAM?
[21:38] <Sysi> i ran 8.04 with 256 and it was smooth, but current release is a bit havier
[21:38] <knome> the ram difference means a lot
[21:38] <knome> probably it'll run just fine
[21:38] <wwig> 9.10 is heavier than 8.04?
[21:38] <Sysi> a bit
[21:39] <wwig> how come?
[21:39] <knome> wwig, new xfce version, for example
[21:39] <Sysi> 9.10 still boots faster
[21:39] <knome> wwig, new stuff we have to keep up-to-date to keep up with ubuntu
[21:39] <wwig> ah ok
[21:39] <wwig> what would you suggest?
[21:39] <wwig> 8.04 or 9.10?
[21:40] <wwig> it should run on an old Matrox g200
[21:40] <knome> wwig, 8.04 if you want the smoothest possible
[21:40] <knome> wwig, 9.10 if you want to be adventurous ;)
[21:40] <wwig> :D
[21:40] <wwig> which is the most stable?
[21:40] <knome> well, 9.10 comes with lots of fixes and new features
[21:40] <knome> 8.04
[21:41] <wwig> more than 9.10? ohwow
[21:41] <C00LARR01> i would try 9.10 and if you dont like it go to 8.04
[21:41] <wwig> actually I run ubu 9.04 on a fast machine btw
[21:41] <wwig> ok I download both
[21:41] <wwig> I will install it on a newbie pc
[21:41] <C00LARR01> if you have a usb drive and use unetbootin it is very easy
[21:41] <wwig> newbie's pc
[21:42] <wwig> I don't
[21:42] <wwig> 9.10 is more userfriendly than 8.04?
[21:44] <knome> wwig, probably yes
[21:44] <knome> wwig, though it doesn't have a menu editor
[21:44] <knome> wwig, otherwise yes
[21:44] <wwig> cause that guy uses only winxp till now
[21:44] <wwig> he is a newbie of linux
[21:44] <wwig> and he is miffed about viruses
[21:52] <knome> wwig, does he need to edit the apps showing in his menu?
[21:52] <wwig> no
[21:53] <wwig> internet, a webcam, an lpt printer
[21:53] <wwig> and an usb adsl modem
[21:53] <wwig> office applications like writer
[21:54] <wwig> knome,
[21:55] <wwig> and porno websites lol
[21:57] <knome> haha
[21:57] <knome> okay
[21:57] <knome> hmm.
[21:57] <knome> maybe 9.10 then
[21:58] <knome> be aware that you might need to work with the hardware for a while
[21:58] <wwig> yes? why?
[21:58] <wwig> cause they are old?
[21:59] <PrebenR> hi! going to install Karmic, is the ext4 corruption problems fixed now or should I stick to ext3
[22:00] <Sysi> i've used ext4 for long time happily
[22:00] <knome> wwig, no, but because there might not be an open source driver for them, for example
[22:01] <wwig> an old epson printer
[22:01] <wwig> stylus color 640
[22:01] <wwig> and the Matrox g200
[22:01] <wwig> and the speedtouch adsl usb
[22:02] <PrebenR> Sysi, so no problems with large files
[22:02] <Sysi> no any problems yet
[22:05] <PrebenR> ok, I'll google a bit more to decide. Thanks!
[22:08] <Krukk> hi, just wonder can you help me, i want to install Wine on Xubuntu 9.04 bur the computer with xubuntu is not connected to the internet so can't download it through Add/Remove, I gotta download on the other laptop and copy it, the thing is i'm not sure which version should i download? how can i check it
[22:08] <Krukk> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
[22:11] <knome> Krukk, wine is in the ubuntu repositories, you should download it there
[22:19] <jessejazza> How do folk find the 9.10 version
[22:20] <jessejazza> The face lift is good but i was more than annoyed to find that they haven't sorted the display resolution
[22:22] <knome> jessejazza, there is not much we can do about the display resolution stuff
[22:22] <knome> jessejazza, either the fix is in complete ubuntu (or complete X) or nowhere
[22:24] <jessejazza> Thing is there was nothing wrong with screens and graphics or displayconfig-gtk. But it is a gnome thing it seems to do away with it. fedora gets it to work okay so it is all down to ubuntu
[22:36] <knome> jessejazza, the xubuntu development team can affect only that little to gnome things happening in ubuntu. i'm sorry if we let you down
[22:38] <jessejazza> Sorry i don't follow. Do you mean you follow what the ubuntu development team do?
[22:39] <jessejazza> displayconfig-gtk worked really well and is still available in debian - no need for it to ever have been removed
[22:39] <knome> jessejazza, the ubuntu development team works on gnome and tries to make it work as good as possible. sometimes that work affects the xubuntu developers, and we have to fix things to make them work also in xfce/xubuntu. if the ubuntu gnome folks break something gnome-specific, we possibly won't go fixing it, since we have a lot of other things to do
[22:40] <knome> right, well, that sounds like a canonical/ubuntu gnome team decision which we really can't affect
[22:41] <jessejazza> Which is why i get a little annoyed with some of the u8nnecessary changes they do. I loved ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth is an immensely enterprising man.
[22:41] <knome> jessejazza, i really encourage you to talk about that in somewhere public and let also mark and the ubuntu team know that.
[22:42] <jessejazza> Is the October version meant as a test version prior to the April stable one?
[22:43] <knome> jessejazza, no
[22:43] <knome> jessejazza, there are LTS releases and there are non-LTS releases, but both are meant to be that stable they can be used withtout problems
[22:44] <knome> jessejazza, soem non-LTS releases might be bit worse then others, but that's a thing that just happens, when you have to release in 6 month cycle
[22:44] <knome> jessejazza, the LTS version is just getting some EXTRA care
[22:45] <jessejazza> That is what i thought. But just from experience it seems that the october versions try out new things and April puts right the odd thing that's wrong... as i see it
[22:46] <knome> jessejazza, not all of the april versions are LTS
[22:46] <knome> jessejazza, that's maybe just coincidence that this has happened
[22:47] <knome> an LTS release is only released every 2 years
[22:48] <jessejazza> yes i realise that about LTS. But the intermediate April non-lts version is still better [imho] than an october release
[22:48] <knome> pure coincidence then :)
[22:48] <knome> or maybe something else, but definitely not especially planned to be like that
[22:49] <jessejazza> what did you mean by your comment earlier that i should tell M. shuttleworth and others publically
[22:49] <knome> well i mean, they keep doing these decisions you don't like if nobody says "hey, we didn't like that"
[22:51] <jessejazza> ok understand... if i put my hand on heart i'd say i still support *buntu 100%. But after using Mepis - ubuntu with all it's staff are way behind a 'one man' job. If he can sort things why can't they
[22:51] <knome> or if you want to be even more recreative "hey, are you sure that was the right decision/thing to do"
[22:51] <jessejazza> good last point
[22:52] <knome> jessejazza, well there's the problem. enough people involved -> too much bureaucracy.
[22:53] <knome> jessejazza, important things have hit the bureaucracy before and failed and will continue to do so in the future also, if we keep the same governance structure up
[22:54] <jessejazza> Ah... oh dear. That's a pity. How much does Mr suttleworth actually RUN the organisation. I gather he lives in London when the rest of canonical is on the Isle of Man
[22:54] <knome> jessejazza, he does run it, but it's hard to see the little things that are affected when you run an organization this large, i admit
[22:54] <knome> jessejazza, but i think the word should move from mouth to mouth and back to mark that something isn't working
[22:55] <knome> possibly it is, but mark might be reluctant to act differently
[22:55] <knome> who knows
[23:04] <jessejazza> all i can say is that ubuntu introduced me to the world of linux. It has given more than other distros in many ways and i wish them the very best. But sorry some things have really niggled me. I gather the organisation runs at a loss. I can't help feeling that they would be better off producing an annual release well sorted


[15:31] <phillw> hi folks
[18:17] <trevor_s> is there a way to get the classic gnome GUI in ubuntu gnome 14.04?
[18:17] <trevor_s> with the applications menu on the top left, etc
[18:17] <trevor_s> the default gui looks a lot like unity


[07:19] <ara> hello all :-)
[07:20] <StevenK> ara: :-)
[07:20] <ara> hey StevenK
[07:20] <ara> Can anyone test (or Is anyone testing) the remaining ARM netboot testcases?
[07:20] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3199
[07:20] <ara> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/3200
[07:20] <ara> lool? ^
[07:20] <StevenK> I'm not sure -- I can't, since I don't have the hardware.
[07:21] <ara> plars? ^
[07:21] <ara> same thing here, StevenK


[05:27] <guiverc_2> quick note (mostly to self probably; aid my useless memory)... got reply from b.quigley; his 'new' entry in planet.ubuntu was because he'd modified it (included a one-line update), this caused the script that generates planet.ubuntu to treat whole 'blog' as new & hence entry (this wasn't in UWN; but equiv. to one detected & removed this week)
[05:28] <guiverc_2> if you don't understand my 'unquick note' - just ignore....
[05:36] <pleia2> I will release in the AM again, cold is still kicking me in the head x_x
[05:39] <guiverc_2> pleia2; rest & get well soon.  :)
[11:19] <PaulW2U_> guiverc_2: That's happened to me on my own blog. Although the publication date remains the same
[11:20] <PaulW2U_> planet.ubuntu.com still picks up the change and publishes the post as being a new one
[11:23]  * PaulW2U_ goes back to non Ubuntu activities
[12:41]  * guiverc_2 waves thanks Paul
[16:07] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 494 for the week January 2 - 8, 2017 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue494