[12:03] <twosouls82> changely it change all the way to here
[12:03] <twosouls82> :S
[12:03] <twosouls82> am I that tired?
[12:03] <tristanmike> twosouls82: ok, what I would like to see is to take line's 1-13  moved to the bottom of the file and the one blank line deleted
[12:04] <twosouls82> tristanmike: had alrady done that :)
[12:04] <twosouls82> already*
[12:05] <tristanmike> twosouls82: so it looks like this....http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/640977
[12:05] <twosouls82> tristanmike: why the line?
[12:05] <tristanmike> brb
[12:06] <twosouls82> :)
[12:11] <tristanmike> twosouls82: so do they match?
[12:12] <twosouls82> tristanmike: they d, but does there need to be a line feed at the end of the line?
[12:12] <twosouls82> did*
[12:13] <tristanmike> twosouls82: a line feed?
[12:13] <word> How can I tell if make finished successfully?
[12:13] <twosouls82> tristanmike:  you have an empty line at the end :) I do not
[12:13] <tristanmike> oh, doesn't matter
[12:14] <twosouls82> kee
[12:14] <tristanmike> what I wanted to show you was....
[12:14] <tristanmike> lines 30 and 31 are the backports
[12:14] <twosouls82> now I see them
[12:14] <leeghoofd> word: if it doesn't ends with an error (sounds stupid but it will give an error when it faults, somethimes it says nothing when it succeeds)
[12:14] <twosouls82> :P
[12:15] <twosouls82> tristanmike: so I should uncomment them
[12:15] <word> Does it mean it failed if there's no shortcut? o.O
[12:17] <leeghoofd> word: how do you mean, did you download the source of an app?
[12:17] <leeghoofd> word: and then unpacked it and run make?
[12:17] <word> I downloaded the tarball did ./configure it finished then i did make then sudo make isntall
[12:18] <leeghoofd> word: aah ok
[12:18] <leeghoofd> word: [w
[12:18] <word> well after i extracted it
[12:18] <leeghoofd> word: sorry, what is the name of the app?
[12:18] <word> Kasablanca
[12:18] <leeghoofd> word: type ls /usr/local/bin to see if its there
[12:19] <word> no such file or directory o.O
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what the hell is skim?
[12:19] <word> nevermind :P
[12:19] <leeghoofd> word: sometimes a shortcut isn't created but the app is reachable form the command line
[12:19] <word> hmmm..
[12:20] <word> I ran ls and nothing is showing up
[12:20] <word> it just is blank
[12:21] <leeghoofd> ok, could you give me the url of the source package?
[12:21] <leeghoofd> word: why are you compiling form source btw?
[12:22] <word> oh....i might be >< heres the link - http://download.berlios.de/kasablanca/kasablanca-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[12:22] <leeghoofd> word: because by me it's also in the kubuntu repo
[12:23] <word> what?
[12:23] <tristanmike> twosouls82: sorry afk, if you like I don't use the backports
[12:24] <leeghoofd> the package Kasablanca is in the ubuntu repo, so you don't have to install from source
[12:24] <twosouls82> tristanmike: what I wanted was not there, so I commented them again
[12:25] <tristanmike> twosouls82: that's for the best
[12:25] <twosouls82> :)
[12:25] <leeghoofd> word: mm, I think it's only in the dapper repo, not in the breezy
[12:26] <leeghoofd> word: configure doesn't succed by me so I can't test
[12:26] <word> OOooooo repo = repository right?
[12:26] <leeghoofd> word: yep
[12:26] <word> What's the problem with it ? I had to install like 4 things
[12:26] <leeghoofd> word: but it was added by dapper, not yet breezy
[12:26] <word> Could probably tell you from teh error what you need
[12:26] <word> the*
[12:27] <leeghoofd> word: wrong X inlcudes
[12:27] <leeghoofd> word: but if it succeeded by you, the executable should be in /usr/local/bin if sudo make install worked
[12:27] <word> type ./configure --x-includes=/usr/include/
[12:28] <word> I see nothing in my /usr/local/bin folder...are they hidden?
[12:28] <leeghoofd> word: no
[12:28] <leeghoofd> word: it has many dependencies :)
[12:29] <word> yup
[12:30] <word> Should Amarok play mp3s all scratchy? :-/
[12:30] <vinboy> hi
[12:31] <leeghoofd> word: do you have command for this? checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found.
[12:31] <vinboy> how do I disable the boot-up screen?
[12:31] <vinboy> i prefer the bootup to use text
[12:32] <word> You need the QT-mt-dev or whatever for that one
[12:33] <word> libqt3-mt if you have that then install libqt-mt-dev
[12:34] <xwolf-> i can't install mysql-server package
[12:34] <xwolf-> how do i install this friggin thing?
[12:35] <Snake__> xwolf-: why not?
[12:35] <xwolf-> looks like it's broken
[12:35] <Snake__> whats it say
[12:35] <Snake__> pastebin
[12:36] <word> leeghoofd: you still there?
[12:38] <xwolf-> Snake__
[12:38] <xwolf-> Falha ao baixar http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg/mysql-server_4.0.24-10ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum incorreto
[12:38] <Snake__> xwolf-: im sorry, I thought you were getting it from a offical repo, I dont know about that :(
[12:39] <xwolf-> Snake__ how did YOU install it?
[12:39] <Snake__> xwolf-: I havn't ;)
[12:39] <xwolf-> whatever
[12:40] <Snake__> xwolf-: try this:
[12:40] <xwolf-> i tried the tarball but i cant connect to it with phpmyadmin or anything
[12:40] <xwolf-> the installation looks fine
[12:40] <Snake__> xwolf-: take that source out of your repos list first
[12:40] <Snake__> xwolf-: then "sudo apt-get update"
[12:40] <xwolf-> hang on
[12:41] <twosouls82> tristanmike: thanx again for all help and kindlyness ;)
[12:41] <twosouls82> have a good night all!
[12:42] <Snake__> cya twosouls82
[12:42] <twosouls82> Snake__: later
[12:42] <twosouls82> :)
[12:43] <tristanmike> by twosouls82
[12:45] <twosouls82> bye tristanmike, see you soon i hope ;)
[12:45] <Snake__> ubotu: 's back!!
[12:45] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Snake__
[12:45] <tristanmike> hey there buddy :)
[12:45] <tristanmike> !botsnack
[12:45] <ubotu> :)
[12:45] <dipnlik> hi ubotu :)
[12:49] <xwolf-> Snake__ i disabled universe and everything, but still get md5sum errors ;/
[12:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does it change between kuake and yukuake?
[12:50] <Snake__> xwolf-: You need to pull it from the universe, not disable it
[12:50] <xwolf-> ...
[12:50] <xwolf-> lemme see
[12:50] <xwolf-> http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:50] <Snake__> xwolf-: take out the deb line you put in the list, and then update, then you can get it from the universe repos
[12:50] <xwolf-> right?
[12:51] <Snake__> !sources
[12:51] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:51] <xwolf-> i'm trying to change from adept
[12:52] <Snake__> xwolf-: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[12:52] <xwolf-> no, mine has just universe
[12:52] <xwolf-> deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[12:52] <Snake__> Then use that
[12:53] <xwolf-> what about using this english one?
[12:53] <Snake__> I'm not 100 sure
[12:54] <CellarDoor> hi all
[12:54] <Snake__> CellarDoor: ever seen donnie darko?
[12:54] <CellarDoor> I dont suppose anyone is playing UT2004ece on breezy are they ?
[12:54] <word> What does it mean if after a make install no executable was created...
[12:54] <CellarDoor> Snake__: yes
[12:55] <Snake__> CellarDoor: Would that by any chance where your name originates?
[12:55] <CellarDoor> There's a chance
[12:55] <Snake__> lol
[12:55] <CellarDoor> There's a chance it could have originated from the lyrics of a Neil Young song also
[12:56] <Snake__> hmm maybe
[12:56] <CellarDoor> ;)
[12:56] <CellarDoor> could have been taken from a miles davis album too
[12:56] <Snake__> ....
[12:57] <CellarDoor> 'the cellar door sessions'
[12:58] <CellarDoor> 'I caught you knockin at my cellar door... I love you baby can I have some more... oh, the damage done'
[12:58] <frank23> !dvdshrink
[12:58] <ubotu> dvdshrink is probably A good alternative to running DVDShrink with wine is k9copy http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/index.php which is available for breezy is this repository deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib non-free
[12:59] <frank23> If anyone is frustrated by the lack of an equivalent to dvdshrink in ubuntu, try k9copy. I just tried and it worked great
[12:59] <CellarDoor> excellent
[12:59] <CellarDoor> thanks frank23
[12:59] <xwolf-> Snake__ i enabled universe and still got errors in adept...
[12:59] <xwolf-> i just cant think of what is going wrong
[12:59] <Snake__> what errors now? still the md5sum?
[01:00] <xwolf-> probably, but adept is shy and just says there was an error commiting changes and ...
[01:00] <vinboy_> lol
[01:00] <Snake__> im sorry but I really dont know at this point :(
[01:00] <CellarDoor> I cant get UT to install
[01:00] <CellarDoor> danged thing
[01:01] <frank23> CellarDoor: the installation script doesn't work?
[01:01] <Snake__> CellarDoor: neither did I, I got it all installed on dapper, but it wouldn't run
[01:01] <CellarDoor> ah it worked on hoary
[01:02] <CellarDoor> but it keeps asking for the next disk but wont do anything when I click ok after putting the next disc in
[01:02] <CellarDoor> on breezy here
[01:02] <Snake__> CellarDoor: are you mounting it?
[01:02] <Snake__> LOl
[01:02] <frank23> hockey game is starting... gotta go.
[01:02] <Snake__> Wait. You shouldn't click ok...you hsould press enter on it!
[01:02] <CellarDoor> doesn't seem to make any difference weather I mount it or not
[01:02] <CellarDoor> what the ?
[01:02] <frank23> CellarDoor: try doing the mount/umount for the CDs manually
[01:03] <xwolf-> Snake__ wanna help me installing the tarball? ;/
[01:03] <CellarDoor> frank23 it doesnt mount automatically
[01:03] <Snake__> xwolf-: I would, but im kinda admining my site atm :(
[01:06] <CellarDoor> sorry not sure I understand
[01:06] <CellarDoor> is this a command line thing ?
[01:07] <CellarDoor> hoary handled it faultlessly, but its not working on breezy
[01:07] <CellarDoor> I dunno whats different here... something to do with disc mounting perhaps but I dunno
[01:07] <Snake__> CellarDoor: the install script should be command line...
[01:08] <Snake__> meaning you need to press "enter" on your options, not click
[01:08] <CellarDoor> well, it starts command line
[01:08] <CellarDoor> then you get the graphical install widgety thing
[01:08] <Snake__> the MSDOS lookin thing right??
[01:09] <CellarDoor> no its a graphical thing running on x
[01:09] <Snake__> oh...weird I dont get that
[01:09] <CellarDoor> want a screenshot ?
[01:10] <Snake__> na
[01:10] <CellarDoor> k
[01:10] <Snake__> but I now have no idea wtf ur doin :-P
[01:10] <CellarDoor> its the standard install
[01:10] <Snake__> hmm
[01:11] <CellarDoor> worked fine on hoary
[01:12] <CellarDoor> I'm gonna give it another try
[01:12] <CellarDoor> see what happens
[01:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hello, is it possible that i just got a kernel panic because i put USB instead of "ExplorerPS/2" in the xorg.cong
[01:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> conf*
[01:16] <Snake__> Tallia1Kubuntu: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and set it to what you need
[01:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i did it.. i found weird a kernel panic after a so puny change..!
[01:16] <Snake__> oh
[01:16] <Snake__> hmm
[01:17] <m5m> I'm pleased to hear back from a dev on a bugzilla report I submitted regarding Eclipse & I'm told that the crash is in the GTK-Qt-engine theme code and that I shouldn't use that theme, as it's known to be buggy.  Does anyone know where exactly I would change this?  Does he mean my overall KDE theme or something else?
[01:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> however.. anybody is experiencing "connection lots" problems with amule in dapper? basically it is unusable... !
[01:18] <CellarDoor> ok I get as far as the, "Please mount UT... disk 2. Choose yes to retry, no to cancel" dialogue... I put in disc 2 but no action, no matter how many times you choose yes after putting disc to in and mounting it (or leaving it unmounted) it wont go any further.
[01:18] <CellarDoor> !UT2004
[01:18] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CellarDoor
[01:19] <treakath> hey all
[01:19] <CellarDoor> hello
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anybody is experiencing "connection lots" problems with amule in dapper? basically it is unusable... !
[01:20] <treakath> how are yuo?
[01:20] <treakath> kool
[01:20] <CellarDoor> :)
[01:20] <CellarDoor> howr u
[01:20] <treakath> good
[01:20] <CellarDoor> :)
[01:21] <treakath> what are you doing?
[01:22] <word> What does it mean if after a make install no executable was created..
[01:22] <JohnFlux> rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[01:22] <JohnFlux> bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
[01:22] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[01:23] <Snake__> woah
[01:23] <Snake__> thats a first :)
[01:23] <JohnFlux> for f in /var/cache/apt/archives/*; do rm $f; done
[01:23] <JohnFlux> that works
[01:23] <kosh> try doing sudo apt-get clean
[01:23] <JohnFlux> kosh: ah i never knew of that
[01:23] <CellarDoor> I wish I could apt-get UT
[01:23] <CellarDoor> :P
[01:23] <JohnFlux> yay disk space!
[01:24] <CellarDoor> ooh
[01:24] <CellarDoor> reminds me
[01:24] <Snake__> CellarDoor: they wish they could put it in the repos (and charge you)
[01:24] <CellarDoor> I need a new bigger hard drive
[01:24] <CellarDoor> Snake__ :P
[01:24] <JohnFlux> CellarDoor: I saw 300GB external disk for 100 ($200)
[01:24] <CellarDoor> ooer
[01:25] <Snake__> CellarDoor: I seen a 250 internal for like $80
[01:25] <JohnFlux> crazy cheap these days
[01:25] <CellarDoor> yeah
[01:25] <kosh> I don't like the cheap ones
[01:25] <kosh> I find they cost too much ;)
[01:25] <CellarDoor> I'm gonna go to the shops and get a new sata
[01:26] <kosh> I really like my hitachi SATA workstation drives
[01:26] <kosh> the things are almost completely silent
[01:26] <_harm> Anyone know how i can play a certain video file as an alarm?
[01:26] <kosh> what I really want though is to get those samsung 30GB flash drives that are supposed to come out late this year for $750 each
[01:27] <kosh> I want to use them to replace regular hard drives in our servers and workstations
[01:27] <word> has anyone here installed Kasablanca before?
[01:27] <_harm> kosh those things die after an X amount of writes
[01:28] <CellarDoor> I'm gonna go looking for bang for buck
[01:28] <kosh> _harm: supposed to be 500K writes/cell
[01:28] <kosh> _harm: which means you will actually get more writes out of them then a hard drive usually does
[01:29] <kosh> _harm: since hard drives rarely survive long enough to get that many writes
[01:29] <_harm> O.. well olf flash used to die after a while
[01:29] <kosh> _harm: also the failure is entirely predictable compared to a hard drive random failure
[01:29] <_harm> true
[01:29] <Snake__> how is it predictable??
[01:29] <kosh> _harm: and the failure is to fail to read only, ie when the drive can no longer be written to you can still read
[01:29] <_harm> kosh with all that knowledge u know ohw to play a video file as alarm? so at 10am i have a video playing as alarm?
[01:29] <kosh> sNake: you know how many writes each cell can have and the system keeps track
[01:30] <Snake__> Ohh
[01:30] <kosh> well you could do it with cron, just write the commandline for playing the video and have it run at 10am every day
[01:30] <kosh> looking for some kde scheduling thing though
[01:31] <Snake__> kalarm is very nice (I like it more than kcron)
[01:31] <_harm> Snake can it play video files as alarm?
[01:32] <_harm> w8 i looked at KAlarm
[01:32] <kosh> kalarm should be able to do it
[01:32] <_harm> but how can u play a video file via consule?
[01:32] <_harm> cuz ill just execute a consule cmd for it :P
[01:32] <kosh> it wouldn't play via the console you have to have x running
[01:32] <_harm> i have that
[01:32] <TheNightRider``> hey all :)
[01:33] <kosh> umm just because something starts from the console does not mean that it runs in the console :)
[01:33] <_harm> its for my desktop iam on right now.. just to wake up with some nice music
[01:33] <Snake__> CellarDoor: check this
[01:33] <Snake__> http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=DRV10869
[01:33] <kosh> do something like kaboodle /path/to/videofile
[01:33] <TheNightRider``> hey dudes, i have a bit of a problem
[01:33] <kosh> as the command to run
[01:33] <TheNightRider``> i cant read my ntfs partition
[01:33] <_harm> ah ok
[01:33] <TheNightRider``> can any1 help?
[01:33] <tristanmike> !ntfs
[01:33] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[01:34] <TheNightRider``> really?
[01:34] <TheNightRider``> lol
[01:34] <TheNightRider``> ty for the fast reply :)
[01:34] <tristanmike> you betcha
[01:34] <CellarDoor> meh I'm not big on seagate
[01:35] <Snake__> CellarDoor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148065
[01:35] <kosh> _harm: just so you can see something open up konsole   and in there type  konqueror & and hit enter and see what happens
[01:35] <TheNightRider``> sorry kosh :)
[01:35] <Snake__> CellarDoor: Oh whoops
[01:35] <TheNightRider``> im just in a kind of a hurry
[01:35] <Snake__> CellarDoor: thats another seagate :)
[01:35] <kosh> the unix consoles are NOT like windows or dos
[01:35] <CellarDoor> ah well now the barra I dont mind :)
[01:35] <Snake__> lol
[01:36] <_harm> kosh konqeurer pops up.. i know
[01:36] <kosh> _harm: the point is that you can have the system run a command and it can still open the gui
[01:37] <vge> anyone good with "Kernel Panic : Not Syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root FS on unknown-block?
[01:37] <_harm> kosh i know i execute wine and dillo all the time via consule.. but i g2g 2 sleep i got it to work (K) thx though!
[01:37] <kosh> that one is easy
[01:37] <_harm> bye all
[01:37] <TheNightRider``> bye _harm
[01:38] <kosh> the kernel does not think it can read your filesystem
[01:38] <TheNightRider``> brb
[01:38] <robotgeek> vge: hmm, looks familiar. did oyu mess with grub?
[01:39] <vge> robotgeek: naah, compiled my first kerner :P
[01:39] <vge> *kernel
[01:39] <vge> im going for another try, but donno em i missing something
[01:40] <robotgeek> vge: well, you havent compiled in support for ide drives or something like that
[01:40] <word> robotgeek ever install Kasablanca? It doesn't seem to want to create an executable for me when I run make install
[01:40] <kosh> robotgeek: that error is becasue the filesystem drivers is not compiled in
[01:40] <robotgeek> word: i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
[01:40] <word> kasablanca is a program and it doesn't want to work ><
[01:41] <robotgeek> kosh: darn good memory i have, the last kernel i compiled was about an year ago!
[01:41] <goop2> anybody know how to install new window decorations?
[01:41] <crimsun> I love not having to compile my own kernels. :)
[01:41] <robotgeek> amen to that
[01:41] <kosh> I usually build my own and with my new system I will have to
[01:41] <word> I ran ./configure and it finished successfully then make and it didn't seem to have an error then I ran sudo make install and it didn't show an error but no executable wasn't created
[01:41] <crimsun> did it for nine years, it's about time I sat back
[01:41] <kosh> since the pci domain patch is not in yet
[01:41] <word> was*
[01:42] <word> What does it mean? ><
[01:43] <vge> robotgeek: is that "ide drives" different than support for different filesystems (ext2/3/etcetera) ?
[01:43] <kosh> vge: the drive controllers and the filesystems are different, in order to boot you need to support what you have ie you have to have support for your drive controller and the filesystem it is using
[01:44] <TheNightRider``> kosh, you really like to help people, dont you (you dont have to answer that) :)
[01:44] <CellarDoor> cyas all
[01:44] <TheNightRider``> bye
[01:45] <vge> where would i find this "drive controller"?
[01:45] <kosh> TheNightRider``: it is not a hard thing to do for easy questions, the harder ones I usually don't have time for
[01:45] <kosh> vge: why are you compiling your own kernel?
[01:46] <TheNightRider``> well i guess you're right
[01:46] <vge> i need better wifi support, or thats what i have been told :)
[01:46] <tristanmike> How can one request a package for a future release of Kubuntu ?
[01:47] <Snake__> tristanmike: talk to a packager
[01:47] <kosh> I doubt that just recompiling will give you better wifi support
[01:47] <Snake__> tristanmike: like Hobbsee or I think seth does it...
[01:47] <TheNightRider``> oh yeah, i got another problem i can't fix for a while now :(
[01:47] <Snake__> tristanmike: but its to late now, any packages will be in dapper+1
[01:47] <TheNightRider``> i got a 5.1 surround system
[01:47] <TheNightRider``> and only 2 channels work
[01:48] <TheNightRider``> though the mixer is configed to 6 channel
[01:48] <kosh> TheNightRider``: play the music with something that uses xine like amarok and go into the config and tell it your speaker setup
[01:49] <kosh> settings -> configure amarok -> set the sound system to xine and set the speaker arrangment to 5.1
[01:49] <TheNightRider``> thanks very much :)
[01:49] <kosh> I am doing it with 7.1 now
[01:49] <vge> kosh: well, #bcm-users topic says that it's build in on later kernels :)
[01:49] <TheNightRider``> nice :)
[01:49] <kosh> vge: ah ok
[01:49] <TheNightRider``> ill try.
[01:49] <kosh> vge: the problem you have though is that building your own kernel is going to be hard for you since you don't know what your hardware is, walking you through that is going to take a pretty long time
[01:50] <TheNightRider``> damn, how can i be so stupid
[01:50] <TheNightRider``> it was right there
[01:50] <TheNightRider``> under my nose...
[01:50] <TheNightRider``> someone kill me please...
[01:51] <Snake__> !lart TheNightRider``
[01:51] <vge> i know my hardware, but basically nothing about kernels :P
[01:51] <vge> but ill google n+1 pages more
[01:51] <TheNightRider``> hahaha
[01:51] <kosh> vge: then what kind of ide controller do you have?
[01:51] <TheNightRider``> you guys rock :D
[01:52] <TheNightRider``> uhh
[01:52] <TheNightRider``> kosh
[01:53] <TheNightRider``> we're on the same planet :]
[01:53] <kosh> maybe you think that :)
[01:53] <vinboy_> my lcd keep blinking if i display something on the screen with some grey color
[01:53] <TheNightRider``> i know it ^^
[01:53] <TheNightRider``> vinboy_ ?
[01:53] <kosh> vinboy_: is the lcd running at the right resolution and connected with a dvi cable?
[01:54] <TheNightRider``> what do u mean blinking?
[01:54] <TheNightRider``> go kosh, go :D
[01:54] <vinboy_> kosh: yup, running at native resolution and dvi
[01:54] <vinboy_> TheNightRider``: not blinking... just some black lines running up and downlo on the screen
[01:55] <kosh> vinboy_: is a light on the lcd blinking? is just the part where the grey is blinking? is the whole thing?
[01:55] <TheNightRider``> hmm, kosh, should i restart amaroK after i made it 6 ch?
[01:56] <kosh> I don't think it should matter
[01:56] <TheNightRider``> well
[01:56] <kosh> you can though if it is not working
[01:56] <TheNightRider``> it didnt work
[01:56] <TheNightRider``> ya
[01:56] <vinboy_> kosh: the light on LCD is stable...... yes only the gray area has black lines running
[01:56] <kosh> vinboy_: who model of lcd is it?
[01:56] <vinboy_> kosh: Acer AL1951
[01:56] <kosh> TheNightRider``: are you sure your speakers are all hooked up right?
[01:56] <TheNightRider``> hell yeah
[01:57] <TheNightRider``> they play perfect in windows
[01:59] <kosh> TheNightRider``: in kmix do you have the volumes turned up for things like the surround channels?
[01:59] <TheNightRider``> i guess so
[01:59] <kosh> vinboy_: I don't see any report of that problem online
[01:59] <TheNightRider``> yup, everything's at max
[02:00] <kosh> you should probably have stuff like pcm front, pcm side, pcm surround etc
[02:00] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:00] <TheNightRider``> pcm?
[02:00] <kosh> that is what mine calls some of the mixer controls
[02:00] <TheNightRider``> its 3 am here, so im on the slow-side :)
[02:01] <kosh> what sound card do you have?
[02:01] <TheNightRider``> SiS SI 7012
[02:01] <TheNightRider``> thats what kubuntu detected
[02:01] <TheNightRider``> in windows i use c-media drivers
[02:01] <crimsun> pastebin ``cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer -c0''
[02:03] <vinboy_> kosh: ok thanks... where can I find other potential hardware problems online?
[02:04] <kosh> vinboy_: google
[02:04] <TheNightRider``> SiS SI7012 with CMI9739 at 0xdc00, irq 18
[02:04] <TheNightRider``> thats my soundcard
[02:04] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: more importantly, I need to see your ``amixer -c0'' output on pastebin, not here
[02:06] <TheNightRider``> uhh
[02:06] <TheNightRider``> you mean i gotta paste a couple of hundred lines here?
[02:06] <kosh> no put it in the pastebin
[02:06] <TheNightRider``> the topic, eh
[02:07] <kosh> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:07] <Steveire> hey
[02:08] <TheNightRider``> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/641179
[02:08] <TheNightRider``> here
[02:08] <TheNightRider``> :)
[02:08] <TheNightRider``> hey Steveire
[02:08] <Steveire> I'm pretty sure i'm gonna install kubuntu
[02:08] <TheNightRider``> ya, it rocks ^^
[02:09] <cerdg> Yes it does
[02:09] <Steveire> My first adventure in linux was fedora a couple of weeks ago
[02:09] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: your 'Surround' mixer element is balance-skewed. Decrease its volume to 0 for both the left and right channels, then bring them up.
[02:09] <Steveire> I still have issues with the fonts in it,
[02:10] <Steveire> And I never got wifi working
[02:10] <conn> hi, is it possible to log in as root, or at least run kcontrol as sudo?
[02:10] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: you may also need to mute the 'IEC958' element.
[02:10] <kosh> hmm I don't see an option in that one for all the surround channels
[02:10] <Snake__> conn: kdesu kcontrol in a terminal
[02:10] <crimsun> kosh: which?
[02:11] <conn> Snake__: thanks
[02:11] <Snake__> conn: yepperz :)
[02:11] <Steveire> It's only 1 CD to install right?
[02:11] <TheNightRider``> yes
[02:11] <Snake__> Steveire: correct
[02:12] <TheNightRider``> the other one is live :)
[02:12] <kosh> crimsun: I am just used to mine which has about 5x the controls
[02:12] <Steveire> Any idea why fedora takes 5?
[02:12] <crimsun> kosh: right
[02:12] <Snake__> Steveire: the same reasons suse does?
[02:12] <crimsun> silly codecs
[02:12] <Steveire> silly codecs?
[02:12] <Snake__> Steveire: because they include lots and lots of programs so that you can use that without a net connection.
[02:12] <kosh> crimsun: mine is an audigy2 zs and it has a LOT of controls
[02:12] <TheNightRider``> crimsun: your 'Surround' mixer element is balance-skewed
[02:12] <crimsun> Steveire: just musing to kosh over all the codecs
[02:12] <TheNightRider``> what was that supposed to mean?
[02:12] <Steveire> Yeah, I went a bit wild with the programs alright
[02:13] <Snake__> Steveire: a connection is kinda nessary in ubuntu
[02:13] <TheNightRider``> i dont know english quite well
[02:13] <Steveire> Yeah, no problem. I'll sort it out.
[02:13] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: it means: Use a volume control (mixer) program to zero out the 'Surround' element, then increase the volume.
[02:14] <Steveire> Will I have to download a new iso when drapper comes out, or will it be something similar to yum update or whatever to update?
[02:14] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: in a Konsole: amixer sset 'Surround' 0 && amixer sset 'Surround' 28 && amixer sset 'IEC958' off
[02:14] <cerdg> steveire:  similar, but not yum
[02:14] <Snake__> Steveire: you should just be able to apt-get dist-upgrade when its released :)
[02:14] <Steveire> Ah, great
[02:15] <Steveire> Is there a handy site for installation notes, so I can get it playing my mp3s etc?
[02:15] <Danny> how do you configure wine?
[02:15] <Snake__> !mp3
[02:15] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[02:15] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:15] <Snake__> Steveire: there ya go
[02:16] <kosh> crimsun: that is what mine looks like http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/641193
[02:16] <TheNightRider``> crimsun: soo i should type this on one line?
[02:16] <TheNightRider``> im sorry im a bit new at this :(
[02:16] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: copy and paste what I gave you.
[02:16] <TheNightRider``> okay
[02:16] <crimsun> starting from the first amixer through the last off
[02:17] <crimsun> kosh: yep
[02:17] <Steveire> cool, but etc... can I use gtkpod? gnomad? Will I be able to make wireless work?
[02:17] <TheNightRider``> it still doesn't work o.0
[02:17] <TheNightRider``> omg
[02:17] <crimsun> "omg" what?
[02:18] <TheNightRider``> well it doesn't work man
[02:18] <crimsun> _what_ doesn't work?
[02:18] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:18] <TheNightRider``> i typed the commands you gave me
[02:18] <TheNightRider``> and still nothing
[02:18] <crimsun> What does "still nothing" mean?
[02:18] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:18] <TheNightRider``> only 2 channels work
[02:19] <crimsun> so test with something like: aplay -Dplug:surround40 /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav
[02:20] <crimsun> or, ``aplay -Dplug:surround40 /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav'' if you're so inclined
[02:21] <Steveire> <3 wiki's
[02:23] <Steveire> It would be bad if i uninstalled x windows from my system wouldn't it?
[02:23] <TheNightRider``> crimsun: i hear static
[02:23] <TheNightRider``> and it scared the shit out of me
[02:24] <tristanmike> !language
[02:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[02:24] <TheNightRider``> oh, sorry
[02:24] <Snake__> got bot tristanmike !
[02:24] <Snake__> hes my fav
[02:24] <cerdg> Steveire:  if you like graphics, then probably
[02:24] <tristanmike> no worries, we all like to use colourful word's here
[02:24] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: you don't even hear stereo sound?
[02:24] <TheNightRider``> crimsun: only the left channel worked
[02:25] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: did you mute 'IEC958'?
[02:25] <Steveire> Is the default set of pakages installed wit kubuntu pretty minimal?
[02:25] <TheNightRider``> yes
[02:25] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: use the speaker-test utility
[02:25] <TheNightRider``> wheres that?
[02:25] <cerdg> Steveire:  fairly, but it's got enough to do what most people do with a computer
[02:25] <Steveire> I might otherwise not install things like x windows if I don't know what they do,
[02:25] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: it's a command line utility
[02:26] <TheNightRider``> im listening :P
[02:26] <Steveire> I'm sure it's simpler in practice than in my head.
[02:26] <TheNightRider``> crimsun: 1st i'd really like to thank you for your time :)
[02:26] <Steveire> I tend to complicate things
[02:26] <cerdg> Steveire:  The Kubuntu install is actually fairly simple compared to most linux installs
[02:26] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: e.g., speaker-test -c4 -Dplug:surround40
[02:26] <xwolf-> except for the fuckin mysql
[02:26] <xwolf-> it's getting on my nerves
[02:27] <Steveire> I want to install some scientific packages and not much else. I want it pretty lean
[02:27] <TheNightRider``> what the...
[02:28] <TheNightRider``> it works
[02:28] <cerdg> Steveire:  It basically comes with web surfing, office, email, some system utilities, and multimedia
[02:28] <TheNightRider``> i can hear the "pink sound" going around the speakers
[02:28] <Steveire> yeah. I'll sort it tomorrow. Thanks. You'll probably see me here again.
[02:28] <Steveire> nn
[02:28] <cerdg> Steveire:  good luck
[02:28] <TheNightRider``> good night :)
[02:29] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: then it's up to your multimedia app to be properly configured
[02:29] <TheNightRider``> crimsun: uhh.. i dont know, in 6 ch it seems kinda mixed up
[02:30] <TheNightRider``> it detected my rear right as a center
[02:30] <kosh> crimsun: I just tried  doing that program using speaker-test -Dplug:surround71 -c8   and it worked perfectly, I did not know about that program
[02:31] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: so you used -c6 -Dplug:surround51 ?
[02:31] <TheNightRider``> oh wait
[02:31] <TheNightRider``> didnt change it to 51
[02:31] <TheNightRider``> nope
[02:31] <TheNightRider``> still the same
[02:32] <TheNightRider``> i think ill move a few sockets
[02:33] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[02:33] <TheNightRider``> now it doesnt detect the rear speakers
[02:33] <TheNightRider``> oh wait
[02:33] <TheNightRider``> my fault again
[02:33] <Danny> uh..my bottom bar just disapeared
[02:34] <kosh> hit alt-f2 type kicker in the box and hit enter
[02:34] <Danny> thanks :D
[02:34] <Danny> I'll need to remember that ;)
[02:34] <emiliano> hi, I have some problems accessing google and slashdot (it tries to get google-analytics), it's not the firewall cause from other machines in my lan I can google, but not if I try through the squid. Any clue?
[02:36] <docta_v> katapult was starting automatically when i first installed kubuntu but it isn't anymore...what do i need to do to make it start automatically again
[02:36] <kosh> alt-f2 katapult
[02:37] <kosh> and it should start again after that
[02:37] <docta_v> kosh: thanks...i'm just learning KDE. have used linux for a long time but have avoided the desktop environments
[02:39] <Danny> kosh, is there any way to make delphi into C++, so I can get it onto linux?
[02:39] <docta_v> Danny, doubtful
[02:39] <docta_v> it's a windows app?
[02:39] <kosh> Danny: no idea on that
[02:41] <Danny> yes
[02:41] <Danny> it is
[02:41] <Danny> wine complains of a kernel32.dll crashing or something
[02:42] <docta_v> wine is your only hope pretty much
[02:42] <docta_v> or vmware
[02:42] <docta_v> or crossover office
[02:42] <docta_v> which is just wine
[02:42] <tristanmike> Danny: check this out http://www.oreilly.com/news/kylix_0800.html
[02:43] <Danny> thanks
[02:45] <TheNightRider``> can anyone help me with finding c-media sound card drivers?
[02:45] <TheNightRider``> www.c-media.com is in japanese :(
[02:45] <crimsun> TheNightRider``: the drivers are already installed.
[02:45] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[02:45] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:45] <crimsun> you're USING them.
[02:45] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[02:46] <TheNightRider``> well i thought i was using some drivers integrated in linux
[02:46] <crimsun> they are.
[02:46] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:46] <TheNightRider``> oh damn it :/
[02:46] <TheNightRider``> sorry
[02:47] <TheNightRider``> btw
[02:48] <TheNightRider``> whats an LFE?
[02:48] <samoooa> hi, I'm trying to install the media player called Listen, but there's a problem with Bonobo
[02:49] <samoooa> I installed bonobo from apt but still the problem
[02:50] <TheNightRider``> samoooa: what exacly is the problem?
[02:51] <samoooa> it says ImportError: No module named bonobo
[02:51] <TheNightRider``> well my guess is you should find that module :D
[02:51] <TheNightRider``> nah, just kidding :)
[02:52] <TheNightRider``> well try to change the engine
[02:52] <Barbelos> Is there a good place to find apt repositories for kubuntu?
[02:52] <TheNightRider``> or something like that
[02:52] <Barbelos> Specifically searching for sane places to install Firefox and mplayer without Automatix
[02:52] <Barbelos> (to install * from *, that is)
[02:52] <xwolf-> !mysql
[02:52] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:53] <xwolf-> can i directd download the mysql-server package?
[02:53] <samoooa> I don't know if I should config bonobo or something
[02:53] <xwolf-> this one in wiki.ubt has got problems
[02:53] <samoooa> or I must install all Gnome?
[02:54] <TheNightRider``> i have no idea
[02:54] <TheNightRider``> try google-ing it :)
[02:55] <emiliano> Ive tried konqueror, firefox, lynx, no acces to google from my Xserver/gateway, can it be the iptables?
[02:55] <kosh> ubotu: too bad the security sucks :)
[02:55] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kosh
[02:55] <hellz_hunter> hey how is it going?
[02:55] <TheNightRider``> good :)
[02:55] <hellz_hunter> i am having a problem with the 5.10 install cd of kubuntu
[02:55] <samoooa> ok NightRider
[02:55] <samoooa> thks
[02:55] <TheNightRider``> np :)
[02:55] <TheNightRider``> whats the problem, hunter?
[02:56] <hellz_hunter> everything is fine and dandy until I get to where startx is executed by the install script, it ends up with the grey screen in the background and my mouse pointer
[02:56] <hellz_hunter> the mouse pointer works, but it seems like my keyboard is unresponsive
[02:56] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[02:56] <hellz_hunter> i cannot seem to ctrl alt f2 or anything like that to another window
[02:56] <TheNightRider``> does it take you to the logon screen ?
[02:56] <hellz_hunter> no
[02:56] <TheNightRider``> hmmmm
[02:56] <hellz_hunter> it just sits there at the greyish screen for as long as it wants to, until i reboot the computer
[02:57] <TheNightRider``> hmmm
[02:57] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:57] <TheNightRider``> oh god, im stuck again
[02:58] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:58] <TheNightRider``> do you have the x envir. installed?
[02:58] <hellz_hunter> yea
[02:58] <Danny> how do I install kylix on here?
[02:58] <hellz_hunter> i have the /etc/X11/ folder with files that have info in there
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> cuz' when i tried to install vector linux, it didnt have the x env. for some strange reason
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> well
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> hmm
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> can u run the konsole?
[02:59] <hellz_hunter> TheNightRider`` how would i run that?
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> ur right.. :/
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> maybe some x-files (lol) were corrupted
[02:59] <TheNightRider``> try optaining another copy
[03:02] <hellz_hunter> lol
[03:02] <hellz_hunter> another kubuntu copy?
[03:02] <TheNightRider``> yes
[03:02] <hellz_hunter> what file do i look at to make sure that its executing kdm right?
[03:02] <xwolf-> can i directd download the mysql-server package?
[03:03] <TheNightRider``> !mysql
[03:03] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[03:03] <hellz_hunter> also during the bootsplash on bootup, how do i get by that and see what the computer is doing?
[03:03] <TheNightRider``> press Escape
[03:03] <xwolf-> TheNightRider`` this package's got problems
[03:03] <xwolf-> cant install mysql-server package ;/
[03:03] <TheNightRider``> really?
[03:03] <TheNightRider``> oh
[03:03] <conn> hi, does anyone here have a Dell Inspiron 8000?
[03:03] <TheNightRider``> try with Adept
[03:04] <xwolf-> already did
[03:04] <TheNightRider``> package manager
[03:04] <TheNightRider``> and?
[03:04] <xwolf-> error too
[03:04] <TheNightRider``> oh
[03:04] <xwolf-> tried both tarballs for 4 and 5
[03:04] <xwolf-> and cant connect with phpmyadmin nor mysql in command line
[03:05] <TheNightRider``> well everyone's got problems
[03:05] <xwolf-> yeah
[03:05] <TheNightRider``> mine cant be solved tho :(
[03:05] <hellz_hunter> pressing escape doesnt work
[03:05] <hellz_hunter> hehe
[03:05] <pestilence> is it possible to burn a cd image onto a dvd-rw?
[03:05] <hellz_hunter> maybe i should ask in ubuntu? maybe they would have the same problem? or should i just try another cd from another source?
[03:06] <TheNightRider``> pestilence, yes
[03:06] <pestilence> k3b doesn't seem to want to do it
[03:06] <pestilence> TheNightRider``, what's the proper procedure
[03:06] <TheNightRider``> hellz_hunter, yes
[03:06] <Danny> got it installed :)
[03:06] <xwolf-> TheNightRider`` what's yours?
[03:06] <TheNightRider``> i got kubuntu 5.10 i think :)
[03:06] <TheNightRider``> yup
[03:06] <pestilence> (i'm trying to burn kubuntu, don't want to waste media for a one time use thing)
[03:07] <xwolf-> wait for dapper
[03:07] <xwolf-> ;P
[03:07] <TheNightRider``> pestilence, are you in windows right now?
[03:07] <pestilence> nope
[03:07] <TheNightRider``> xwolf-, come again?
[03:07] <pestilence> i'm actually in dapper
[03:07] <TheNightRider``> oh
[03:07] <xwolf-> TheNightRider`` what's your problem/
[03:07] <HymnToLife> pestilence> Ubuntu ? (gnome)
[03:07] <TheNightRider``> well
[03:07] <TheNightRider``> i got 5.1 surround system
[03:08] <pestilence> but sick of the unstable-ness...want a clean install of breezy
[03:08] <TheNightRider``> but only 2 channels owrk
[03:08] <pestilence> HymnToLife, no, kubuntu
[03:08] <TheNightRider``> i did whatever the experts here told me
[03:08] <TheNightRider``> but nothing wokred out fine :(
[03:08] <HymnToLife> I don't get it
[03:08] <pestilence> HymnToLife, but it was an install from ubuntu, so it's messed up
[03:08] <pestilence> HymnToLife, e.g. i have to run gnome-theme-manager for things to look right
[03:08] <HymnToLife> how did you install ubuntu in the first place if you don't have a CD ?
[03:08] <pestilence> HymnToLife, i have an *ubuntu* cd
[03:08] <hellz_hunter> im going to try another cd and see if that gets me anywhere
[03:08] <pestilence> HymnToLife, not a *kubuntu* cd
[03:09] <TheNightRider``> ya thats for the best :)
[03:09] <HymnToLife> pestilence> then install it nd sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:09] <pestilence> HymnToLife, that's how i got into the mess i'm in right now.  i want to try out just kubuntu from the start
[03:09] <TheNightRider``> hey
[03:09] <HymnToLife> srange
[03:09] <TheNightRider``> anyone seen puppy linux? :D
[03:10] <pestilence> plus, i want to revert to breezy at the same time
[03:10] <HymnToLife> it works like a charm here
[03:10] <HymnToLife> well, the CD will install Breezy won(t it ?
[03:10] <pestilence> HymnToLife, perhaps i have to reset my kde settings, but it's messed up right now
[03:10] <vge> wii, compiled my first kernel
[03:10] <pestilence> HymnToLife, the ubuntu cd will.  i have the kubuntu image, i just need to burn it
[03:10] <pestilence> HymnToLife, i have plenty of media too, just trying to save the environment by using a rw
[03:11] <pestilence> so my original question: how do you burn a cd image to a dvd-rw
[03:11] <pestilence> :-D
[03:11] <TheNightRider``> save the environment?
[03:11] <TheNightRider``> :D
[03:11] <HymnToLife> my anwer is I don't know :p
[03:11] <xwolf-> mine too
[03:11] <hellz_hunter> pestilence i dont think u will like the result of burning a cd image to a dvd-rw
[03:11] <TheNightRider``> same here
[03:11] <pestilence> TheNightRider``, yes, what's the point in making more garbage.  it's in the ubuntu spirit, i think :)
[03:11] <TheNightRider``> heh
[03:11] <TheNightRider``> :)
[03:11] <pestilence> hellz_hunter, explain
[03:12] <TheNightRider``> oh yeah :/
[03:12] <TheNightRider``> i once did
[03:12] <TheNightRider``> and wasnt very happy
[03:12] <pestilence> but were you happy before you burnt the dvd?
[03:12] <HymnToLife> pestilence> you can alway do a "server" install with your Ubuntu CD, it won't install GNOME
[03:12] <HymnToLife> and then install KDE manually
[03:12] <TheNightRider``> i dont have a dvd writer ;)
[03:13] <pestilence> HymnToLife, i know, i *could* do a million things :)
[03:13] <pestilence> HymnToLife, i just want to do things this way, for once :)
[03:13] <HymnToLife> weel it seems burning CD images on a DVD is no good
[03:13] <TheNightRider``> ah, my gf is spamming me again, brb :P
[03:14] <HymnToLife> so I don't know, get a CD-RW or download the DVD iso
[03:14] <tristanmike> no, that's why they're *CD* images :P
[03:14] <pestilence> HymnToLife, is there a kubuntu dvd image?
[03:14] <TheNightRider``> back :)
[03:14] <pestilence> tristanmike, what exactly differentiates a cd image from a dvd image?
[03:14] <hellz_hunter> pestilence try to burn the cd iso image to a dvd rw
[03:14] <pestilence> tristanmike, and don't say "one is for a dvd"
[03:15] <hellz_hunter> pestilence size is a big difference between cd image and dvd image
[03:15] <pestilence> hellz_hunter, yes, but you can have a cd image that is less than 700 megs
[03:15] <pestilence> so why can't you have a dvd image that is less than 4 gigs
[03:15] <HymnToLife> pestilence> http://kubuntu.org/download.php bottom of the pge
[03:16] <pestilence> HymnToLife, doh!  thanks :)
[03:17] <conn> hi, I can't get the page up/down keys working on my laptop, xev isn't recognising them and the kernel log shows no messages when they're pressed, can someone suggest anything I can do to try to fix it?
[03:28] <TheNightRider``> k people im off to bed
[03:28] <TheNightRider``> good night :)
[03:28] <crowbar> Does anyone know how to get middle click to open a tab in teh background?
[03:30] <sean> crowbar: No.
[03:30] <pestilence> crowbar, firefox does that by default
[03:30] <crowbar> sean: You don't know?  Or it's impossible?
[03:30] <crowbar> or, right.  I meant konqueror.
[03:30] <sean> crowbar: I do insist that you file a report requesting that at bugs.kde.org
[03:31] <sean> crowbar: not to my knowledge
[03:31] <sean> crowbar: I was looking for it too
[03:31] <goop2> how do I use a theme I downloaded from kde-look?
[03:31] <sean> crowbar: After looking over every button, there were no options for that.
[03:31] <crowbar> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69647
[03:31] <crowbar> Already posted, but set as resolved without really solving it.
[03:33] <laszlok> crowbar: what does middle click do right now with konqueror?
[03:33] <sean> I do not know about konqueror specifically,
[03:33] <crowbar> laszlok: opens a hyperlink in a new tab in the foreground.
[03:33] <sean> but khtml, which it is based on,
[03:34] <sean> In KHTML, the middle click stands for "Search in Google the last things I searched for [using the search util]  on this page
[03:34] <sean> I find it annoying, myself
[03:34] <gleesond> dapper is so sweet!
[03:34] <crowbar> sean: Unless it's a link.
[03:35] <sean> gleesond: What about it?
[03:35] <sean> crowbar: Did it work for you?
[03:35] <laszlok> crowbar: mine opens in the background
[03:36] <crowbar> laszlok: Do all new tabs open in the background?  Llike when you click a link which should open a new window?
[03:36] <sean> You can see all tabs to open the the background, but not just middle clicked ones.
[03:36] <crowbar> exactly sean
[03:36] <crowbar> thanks.  you said it much better than i
[03:36] <sean> Thanks, I'm feeling all warm&fuzzy now!
[03:36] <sean> :-P
[03:36] <crowbar> well i still have the tab problem :)
[03:36] <laszlok> crowbar: i think it is this setting: settings --> configure konqueror --> web behaviour --> advances options --> open tabs in background
[03:37] <sean> Another problem?
[03:37] <crowbar> laszlok: I have konq set to open all new windows in a new tab instead.
[03:37] <crowbar> So if i check that option both left click and middle click open in the background.
[03:37] <sean> Correct, to my knowledge
[03:38] <crowbar> Whic is silly to have both left click and middle click have the same exact functionality.
[03:38] <sean> That's what they have bugs.kde.org for
[03:38] <Snake__> Hey guys, where can I get creative commons music
[03:38] <sean> The problem is that you need an awful lot of votes to get to the top of the list
[03:38] <crowbar> http://www.archive.org
[03:38] <sean> and some of the ones on the top of the list have been there for years!
[03:39] <sean> I got a fabulous idea!
[03:39] <sean> Have the votes expire after x days.
[03:39] <sean> That way only recent ideas come to the list.
[03:40] <sean> and rejected ones do not stay there for decades
[03:40] <crowbar> that's a good idea!  Now submit a bug report and hope people vote for it =p
[03:40] <sean> Case and point!
[03:40] <laszlok> crowbar: ya, all tabs open in the background except when i create a new one with ctrl-t
[03:41] <crowbar> yup laszlok, I'd love for left to open in foreground and middle to open in the background.  well, i'd love the option at least.
[03:41] <crowbar> robotgeek: are you able to open a new tab in the foreground and then a second in the background?
[03:41] <crowbar> I mean, without using the keyboard?
[03:42] <robotgeek> crowbar: okay, let me see what foreground and background mean
[03:42] <crowbar> oh, well i suppose you'd want to open one in the background first and then one in the foreground :)
[03:43] <goop2> you guys know how to install a KDE theme from kde-look?
[03:43] <robotgeek> crowbar: if you mean "foreground" to be "create tab and focus", no
[03:43] <crowbar> robotgeek: that's what i mean.
[03:44] <robotgeek> crowbar: well, never liked it anyways
[03:44] <robotgeek> doesn't hurt to have an option tho
[03:44] <goop2> no?
[03:44] <goop2> nobody knows.....
[03:45] <crowbar> goop2, i think you can drag the package into the theme manager
[03:45] <crowbar> I haven't installed on in a while but i think the simplest way is to download it, then drag it right into the selection list.
[03:45] <goop2> crowbar: the tar file?
[03:45] <goop2> ok
[03:45] <crowbar> yes
[03:46] <goop2> didnt do anything
[03:49] <crowbar> goop2: I don't remember.  always took me like 15 minutes to find the theme app
[03:50] <crowbar> it isn't under appearance
[03:50] <goop2> I draged the tar file from the desktop to the theme window
[03:50] <goop2> theme manager
[03:50] <crowbar> goop2: Wait, have you tried going to K->System Setterings->Appearance -> Icons  and hitting install theme theme?
[03:51] <goop2> no...
[03:51] <goop2> Ill try that
[03:51] <crowbar> I can't find the theme manager, unless it's by accident (If it isn't just my imagination)
[03:51] <goop2> run: kcontrol
[03:52] <robotgeek> crowbar, use alt + f2, type "kcontrol" in the text box, and hit the <enter> key
[03:52] <crowbar>  thanks! hah. i knew i wasn't going crazy.
[03:52] <crowbar> goop2: do as robotgeek says :)
[03:52] <goop2> yeah, I said it too :P
[03:53] <crowbar> is kcontrol available from the Kmenu?
[03:53] <Danny> robotgeek: good news :D
[03:53] <Danny> I got wpa working
[03:53] <crowbar> oh.   hehe i'm blind.
[03:53] <goop2> run is
[03:53] <Danny> anyway..afk
[03:53] <goop2> I found it there once, but never found it agian
[03:54] <ajupiter> anybody know where i can find a list of all the packages for a kubuntu install? (can't find one on kubuntu.org)
[03:54] <goop2> huh??
[03:54] <goop2> I just got it from there
[03:54] <robotgeek> ajupiter: there should be a package list file on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <Barbelos> crowbar: just press alt-f2 and type 'kcontrol'
[03:55] <crowbar> Barbelos: Yeah, thanks.  I've got it now.  Any idea about the middle click opening a tab in the background in knoq?
[03:55] <nanotube> what package do I need to instal if I want to be able to decompress rar file?
[03:55] <ajupiter> awesome, thanks! i'm testing out the live DVD now, but it looks like there's not too much on it
[03:55] <robotgeek> nanotube: unrar-nonfree
[03:56] <Barbelos> crowbar: Mine does it by default. Do you have three buttons configured with X?
[03:57] <goop2> I messed up konqueror
[03:57] <goop2> I cant see the address bar
[03:57] <robotgeek> nanotube: try with the free version, and see if it works
[03:58] <nanotube> I did tryied that but probably I need some configuratin of ark..
[03:58] <nanotube> unrar is not in the path..
[03:58] <robotgeek> nanotube: try in console, unrar x file.rar
[03:59] <nalioth> nanotube: in a konsole, type "sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree"
[03:59] <Barbelos> goop2: Right-clicking on a toolbar item should allow you to reinsert the adress-bar if you have somehow removed it. Other than that, you could try launching kfmclient --profile webbrowsing
[03:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: doesn't want to install non-free software
[04:00] <nalioth> robotgeek: ah, well, things won't work too well then for them
[04:01] <nanotube> seems that it works... I need some syntax because it just read it but noe extract it;-)
[04:01] <goop2> Barbelos: heh... I kinda... got rid of everything
[04:01] <robotgeek> nalioth: sadly
[04:01] <goop2> Barbelos: Ill take a screenshot
[04:02] <Barbelos> goop2: What happens if you do ctrl-shift-f?
[04:02] <goop2> Barbelos: fullscreen
[04:02] <liveforthemoment> hi there here is what happen: i made a server installation with ubuntu cdiso, then i installed kubuntu-desktop... this is my problem i dont have the graphical grub loader
[04:02] <nanotube> robotgeek: thanks
[04:04] <_robert_> can someone tell me where i can find a driver for my brother hl1440?
[04:04] <liveforthemoment> how may i activate grub splash screen in kubuntu dapper?
[04:04] <Barbelos> goop2: Sorry, you never know who you're talking to, thought maybe you were in fullscreen * hides *
[04:05] <liveforthemoment> ?
[04:06] <robotgeek> nanotube: cool
[04:08] <Barbelos> goop2: Are you saying you're without toolbars? With the standard Konqi profiles you should be able to bring them back in the 'view'-menu. If you still have a menu-bar. In the kubuntu-modded profile I'm not really sure.
[04:09] <goop2> Barbelos: I have a menu bar. I dont have toolbars, surf buttons, googlebar....
[04:11] <_robert_> #gnnchat
[04:11] <Barbelos> goop2: Ok, as I thought. Did you have the default Konqueror-profiles installed, or have you stuck to the kubuntu-modded version? (Which is default with kubuntu)? In the first case you should be able to bring them back with the 'view'-menu, with the kubuntu-version I have no idea
[04:12] <goop2> Barbelos: huh? I installed kubuntu, and it was there. Today I updated konqueror I think
[04:13] <Barbelos> goop2: Ok, you have kubuntu-konqueror then. In that case I have no idea, sorry... :(
[04:13] <goop2> Barbelos: agh! I hate you!
[04:14] <Barbelos> goop2: There is a package to install KDEs own konqueror profiles though, you could try to find that in adept.
[04:14] <Barbelos> goop2: That should fix your problem easily
[04:14] <Danny>   is there any way to edit grub?
[04:14] <kosh> vim /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:14] <liveforthemoment> how may i activate grub splash screen in kubuntu dapper?
[04:14] <goop2> Barbelos: adept?
[04:14] <Danny> ty
[04:14] <Barbelos> goop2: Like synaptic. For installing packages
[04:14] <goop2> Barbelos: oh, I see it
[04:15] <iceman> where do you put themes to install them in kde
[04:16] <liveforthemoment> no1 knows?
[04:17] <goop2> Barbelos: looks like I have all konq related stuff
[04:18] <Barbelos> goop2: Hang on, I'll research for the package-name
[04:18] <tristanmike> !dapper
[04:18] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[04:18] <goop2> Barbelos: ok, thanks :D
[04:18] <seth> tristanmike, what package did you want?
[04:20] <Danny> kosh?
[04:20] <kosh> Danny: what?
[04:20] <Danny> how do I make my windows the default
[04:20] <Danny> or extend the ttime
[04:20] <tristanmike> oh, cool, wow, that was a while ago :P i was sitting here going to myself.."what's this guy on, i didn't ask for anything.." :P  it's called "Katalog"
[04:20] <tristanmike> seth: ^^^
[04:20] <Danny> so my mom can access my lappy
[04:20] <Steven_M> does any know of a good pop3 previewer?
[04:20] <tristanmike> http://salvaste.altervista.org/
[04:21] <kosh> Danny: you have to change the entries in that file
[04:21] <Danny> ok..
[04:21] <seth> tristanmike, right, I've heard of it. I actually think Anthony has some packages. One moment
[04:21] <tristanmike> seth: it's a Cd/DVD cataloger. There's one for Gnome called CDCat, but I thought it would be nice for Kubuntu to have one too :)
[04:21] <kosh> Danny: the first entry is the default
[04:21] <kosh> the timout you can set whatever you want
[04:22] <seth> tristanmike, http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/katalog
[04:22] <seth> it'll be in Dapper
[04:22] <seth> Anthony packaged it a couple months ago
[04:23] <tristanmike> seth: good news :)
[04:23] <tristanmike> he's a good man himself :)
[04:23] <iceman> where do you install thtems in kde
[04:23] <tristanmike> you guys are truly on the ball here, props for all the work you guys do =)
[04:23] <iceman> themes
[04:24] <robotgeek> tristanmike: there's also tellico, i think
[04:24] <iceman> crud can't type tonight
[04:24] <Snake__> Hey guys I need some listeners to test my new music server!
[04:24] <Snake__> http://www.thefeuerfrei.com:8000
[04:24] <Snake__> Tune in PLEASE
[04:24] <Snake__> just for a couple minutes
[04:24] <goop2> fuer frei :D
[04:24] <vge> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/641368 <-- anyone know why i get this kind of error?
[04:25] <iceman> anyone help how to install a theme file in Kubuntu
[04:25] <Barbelos> goop2: If you still haven't gotten a solution, try this: <more>
[04:25] <tristanmike> robotgeek: it seems that may be for books and stuff
[04:26] <Barbelos> goop2: Exit Konqueror, then <more>
[04:26] <goop2> Snake__: I cant listen to it
[04:26] <robotgeek> tristanmike: hmm, okay. my friend was using that for managing movies, so i tht it might be a good idea
[04:26] <Snake__> goop2: why whats wrong?
[04:26] <Barbelos> goop2: cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[04:26] <liveforthemoment> hi there! here is what happen: i made a server installation with ubuntu cdiso, then i edited sources to be dapper and then i made sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade... i finaly installed kubuntu-desktop... this is my problem i dont have the graphical grub loader, i need the command to activate it... no answer in sesveral hours in ubuntu+1
[04:26] <Barbelos> then try to restart konqueror
[04:27] <goop2> Snake__: what do I do at the site? it says "invalid resource" wherever I click
[04:27] <robotgeek> goop2: click on listen
[04:27] <Barbelos> goop2: Oh, and also 'cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[04:27] <Barbelos> * ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[04:27] <liveforthemoment> Snake__: buffering is succesful but cant here sh*t
[04:27] <Barbelos> goop2: Should get you back your toolabrs and all
[04:28] <goop2> Barbelos: huh? what do I do with all that?
[04:28] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: lemme see
[04:29] <liveforthemoment> thank you
[04:29] <Barbelos> goop2: Just do those to cp commands, and you should have a working konqueror
[04:29] <goop2> It wants me to open something
[04:29] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: what do you mean activate?
[04:29] <goop2> Barbelos: ok
[04:29] <liveforthemoment> i want to have it
[04:30] <goop2> Barbelos: Im confused...
[04:30] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: are you on x86?
[04:30] <liveforthemoment> yes
[04:31] <iceman> djk_ no it's a KDE theme style from kde look
[04:31] <Barbelos> goop2: Ok. I want you to copy the file konqueror.rc from /usr/share/apps/konqueror to /home/<USERNAME>/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[04:31] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: i am not following what you need, really
[04:31] <liveforthemoment> ok let me see if i can be clearer
[04:31] <Barbelos> goop2: Also copy all the files in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles to /home/YOURUSER/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles :)
[04:32] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: maybe this http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch05s02.html#id2594677
[04:32] <Barbelos> goop2: Clearer?
[04:32] <goop2> Barbelos: how do I get there without my address bar? :'(
[04:32] <Barbelos> goop2: Open your konsole/terminal
[04:32] <iceman> has to be a way to install kde theme / styles in KDE ? help
[04:32] <goop2> Barbelos: k
[04:33] <robotgeek> iceman: what theme are you trying to install?
[04:33] <Barbelos> goop2: In the terminal you can write cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[04:33] <iceman> Mech-Tex 500 (finished)  from kde look
[04:33] <Barbelos> goop2: all on one line
[04:33] <robotgeek> iceman: link please
[04:33] <Barbelos> goop2: it will copy the first file I talked to
[04:33] <iceman> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27046
[04:33] <iceman> was getting
[04:34] <Barbelos> goop2: talked about
[04:34] <robotgeek> iceman, use alt + f2, type "kcontrol" in the text box, and hit the <enter> key
[04:34] <goop2> Barbelos: ok, Im working on it
[04:34] <Barbelos> goop2: Then do cp ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[04:35] <robotgeek> iceman: okay, do you have superkaramba installed?
[04:35] <liveforthemoment> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=500&slide=14... this is what i dont have but for kubuntu
[04:35] <Barbelos> goop2: The last part is this, also on one line: cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/* ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[04:35] <liveforthemoment> grrr
[04:35] <liveforthemoment> bad url
[04:35] <iceman> no superkaramba yet ... but will get
[04:35] <Barbelos> goop2: This should give you shiny new settings and sane view profiles for Konqueror
[04:36] <robotgeek> iceman: i guess all you need to do is install superkaramba and then run it from there
[04:36] <liveforthemoment> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=500&slide=14               this
[04:37] <iceman> robotgeek can i ask you a stupid question ... you actualy do robotic's
[04:37] <robotgeek> iceman: yeah
[04:37] <liveforthemoment> what i currently see is the system loading in a non-graphical way
[04:37] <iceman> robotgeek you program them
[04:37] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: okay, you don't have the splash screen, i am not sure how you get them
[04:38] <robotgeek> iceman: not too much now, but a year ago yes
[04:38] <liveforthemoment> how do i call that
[04:38] <liveforthemoment> if i do a google search
[04:38] <liveforthemoment> splash screen?
[04:38] <iceman> robotgeek i ask on behalf of my step son, he is just starting, and could use a good aid .... "teacher"
[04:38] <robotgeek> liveforthemoment: i think it's called usplash or something
[04:39] <liveforthemoment> ok thank you i appreciate
[04:39] <goop2> Barbelos: agh... I typed in the second on and it says "cp: missing destination file"
[04:39] <robotgeek> iceman: lego mindstorms
[04:39] <Barbelos> goop2: Ok, do this first then: mkdir ~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles
[04:39] <robotgeek> or vex robotics and such
[04:39] <Barbelos> goop2: Then do the second line again
[04:40] <Wizz_kidd> hmmm
[04:40] <iceman> robotgeek no he's doing more like battlebots i think what ever his school is wanting ... programming in c
[04:40] <Wizz_kidd> first day using Kubuntu
[04:40] <crowbar> You like?
[04:40] <iceman> how to apt-gt install super-karamba
[04:40] <Wizz_kidd> i like KDE and i liked ubuntu so yea
[04:40] <robotgeek> iceman: that's a good start. choose from adept
[04:40] <Wizz_kidd> little application repositorty shoptage though
[04:40] <tristanmike> iceman: "sudo apt-get install superkarmba"
[04:41] <Wizz_kidd> shortage though
[04:41] <Barbelos> First day using kubuntu here as well, so far having trouble finding packages I need, and am unable to build amarok SVN for some reason. Still impressed though
[04:41] <goop2> Barbelos: cannot create directory
[04:41] <Wizz_kidd> but im just using other respoitories from other distribs \
[04:41] <Wizz_kidd> kde apps of course
[04:42] <robotgeek> Wizz_kidd: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[04:42] <goop2> Barbelos: cannot create directory <directory here> : no such file or directory
[04:42] <Wizz_kidd> well now i got like 1182 packages avaliable little to much
[04:42] <Wizz_kidd> i might just have to build RubyKDE from scrath
[04:42] <Wizz_kidd> or qtruby whatever you want to call it
[04:42] <Barbelos> goop2: You don't have any experience with the linux filesystem I see
[04:43] <Barbelos> goop2: Try this then: cp -rf /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/* ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/
[04:43] <Wizz_kidd> i love Koffice though kills open office
[04:43] <goop2> Barbelos: nope, I just started using it a few days ago
[04:44] <Barbelos> goop2: Well, welcome aboard :) Just a bit harder to help someone who doesn't yet understand things, but just follows instructions, heh
[04:44] <Wizz_kidd> Kool stufff
[04:44] <Wizz_kidd> im using this dapper flight 6 version is that ok ?
[04:44] <goop2> Barbelos: yeah... I know what its like :P
[04:45] <iceman> brb
[04:46] <FreshWater> can anyone tell how toi get the XviD codec on to ubuntu
[04:47] <tristanmike> !tell FreshWater about w32codecs
[04:47] <robotgeek> FreshWater, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:47] <FreshWater> yes thats it
[04:48] <Wizz_kidd> is this dapper version of Kubuntu ok ?
[04:48] <Wizz_kidd> it seems to be the latest version
[04:48] <robotgeek> Wizz_kidd: yeah, it's ok :)
[04:48] <tristanmike> Wizz_kidd: it's still in "testing"
[04:49] <firewire> is dekorator available for kubuntu?
[04:49] <goop2> Barbelos: specified dest dir does not exist
[04:49] <crowbar> Wizz_kidd: You might run into some bugs, but it's so close to release you can probably use it without too many problems... probably.
[04:50] <Wizz_kidd> i havent found any but its first day so yea
[04:50] <Wizz_kidd> just installing what I need etc
[04:52] <Wizz_kidd> QT is a great GUI framework
[04:52] <Wizz_kidd> better then GTK by far
[04:52] <Wizz_kidd> hmmm
[04:54] <Wizz_kidd> whats that program that allows me to play pc games on linux ?
[04:54] <crowbar> wine
[04:55] <Wizz_kidd> and is thier any alternatives to gaim ? kopete does not have aim direct connect :(
[04:55] <hellz_hunter> hey whats going on?
[04:55] <Wizz_kidd> unless kopete has some sort of plug in or something
[04:55] <hellz_hunter> im back and kubuntu works, but i have one issue, my root login, it doesnt have a password or something
[04:55] <goop2> trillian
[04:55] <Wizz_kidd> heh
[04:55] <Wizz_kidd> free :P
[04:56] <hellz_hunter> during the installation it never asked to setup my root password, what is the default password?
[04:56] <Wizz_kidd> it would be nice if kopete did it
[04:56] <crowbar> hellz_hunter: you can't login directly as root.  use sudo to execute commands and sudo -s to get a root shell
[04:56] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell hellz_hunter about root
[04:56] <goop2> I use gaim
[04:56] <Wizz_kidd> gaim is not QT native i like things ot be native
[04:56] <Wizz_kidd> but i am also using gaim at the moment
[04:57] <hellz_hunter> thanks all :)
[04:57] <goop2> is AOL windows only?
[04:58] <goop2> I thought AOL and Yahoo could be used on Linux
[04:58] <hellz_hunter> kubuntu is so pretty :)
 whats that program that allows me to play pc games on linux ?
[04:58] <VRWarper> Wizz_kidd, look up cedega
[04:59] <goop2> Wine
[04:59] <Wizz_kidd> ahhhhhhh thats what it was
[04:59] <VRWarper> inaddition to wine heh
[04:59] <Wizz_kidd> Wine doesnt support to much stuff
[04:59] <goop2> oh, I dunno, never used any
[04:59] <goop2> only heard of it
[04:59] <VRWarper> you dont have to pay to use cedega since you can build from their cvs repository
[05:00] <Wizz_kidd> i seeeeeeeee
[05:00] <VRWarper> but if you do pay for cedega, you get their point and click thing (not familiar)
[05:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :( i can't compile audacity 1.3beta
[05:01] <Wizz_kidd> how do i make KDE do double click i hate this single click my only gripe
[05:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody has a deb packaged file around?
[05:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it changes a lots between those versions..
[05:03] <robotgeek> Wizz_kidd: probably in System Settings -> Mouse
[05:04] <Wizz_kidd> i seee
[05:16] <goop2> wewt
[05:16] <goop2> its a flying book
[05:18] <jonathan_> is anyone there
[05:18] <goop2> no
[05:19] <goop2> lol
[05:19] <jonathan_> LOL, i'm using dapper kubuntu
[05:19] <goop2> Im using kubuntu... of some sort O.o
[05:19] <goop2> lol
[05:19] <jonathan_> how do i change my screen refresh rate
[05:20] <jonathan_> i could think how to ask it for a sec
[05:20] <goop2> uh.........
[05:20] <jonathan_> i know it's in xorg.conf but i don't know where
[05:20] <goop2> no idea
[05:20] <goop2> Im new to linux
[05:20] <jonathan_> lol...fun ain't it
[05:20] <goop2> yeah
[05:21] <goop2> WAY more fun to mess with than windows >.>
[05:21] <goop2> I saw somewhere how do change that, but I dont remember where
[05:26] <firewire> /usr/share/gconf/schemas/gnome-terminal.schemas:5610: parser error : Input is not proper UTF-8, indicate encoding !
[05:26] <firewire> :(
[05:26] <firewire> any idea how I can roll that back?
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody has a deb packaged version of Audacity1.3beta around? i can't compile it :(
[05:34] <Snake__> how would I forward X of a ssh session?
[05:34] <crimsun> ssh -X
[05:35] <Snake__> crimsun: have you ever herd of Linux Holt?
[05:35] <crimsun> no
[05:36] <Snake__> hmm
[05:37] <Snake__> crimsun: for the X ssh session, I would just use ssh thefeuerfrei.com -l tehshell -X right?
[05:37] <FreshWater> wherew do i get gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:38] <crimsun> FreshWater: universe
[05:38] <tristanmike> FreshWater: "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[05:38] <crimsun> Snake__: ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:38] <Snake__> ok
[05:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> crimsun: is that for VNC over SSH?
[05:40] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: for tunneling X through ssh
[05:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> crimsun: what does it change?
[05:40] <FreshWater> Package gstreamer0.8-mad is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> crimsun: isn't X a graphic resource.. with SSH i can see only text?
[05:40] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: X applications are tunneled through ssh instead of being sent cleartext over the wire.
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> crimsun: so it is for VNC?
[05:41] <crimsun> FreshWater: you need to enable the universe repository
[05:41] <FreshWater> ok
[05:41] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: you can tunnel vnc through ssh, but ssh -X has nothing to do with vnc per se
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so what would you use this tunneling for?
[05:42] <Snake__> running x applications
[05:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oooo, like starting a kde one even if i am in ssh?
[05:42] <Snake__> ehhh i dunno, but I had to use a app with gui only
[05:43] <FreshWater> universe repository? how, noob to debian
[05:43] <tristanmike> !universe
[05:43] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Snake__: yes, but from SSH you CAN'T see GUI
[05:43] <Snake__> not exactly
[05:43] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: wrong
[05:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oo... really?
[05:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i didn't know this!
[05:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so i can run an application that is on my PC at home from a remote location?
[05:44] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes, but freenx/vnc is better suited for that
[05:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to try it now :), what is freenx?
[05:45] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: better compression and stuff
[05:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[05:45] <robotgeek> wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[05:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> coool !! :)
[05:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does that work only if i access from a linux system?
[05:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or i can do the same when i access ssh from a windows ssh client?
[05:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !freenx
[05:46] <ubotu> freenx is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[05:46] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: you need to install windows freenx client
[05:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[05:46] <zepmantra> hello what could be the problem if my installation hangs at scanning cd-rom , i have a sata so i boot with :linux irqpoll ... tried it with ubuntu same problem hangs at 22%
[05:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> robotgeek: what about MAC? can i use SSH X from there?
[05:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody has a deb packaged version of Audacity1.3beta around? i can't compile it :(
[05:49] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes
[05:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> isn't there somebody in here able to compile audacity 1.3beta make a package and publish it inside repositories, or send it to me directly?
[05:58] <Kyral> Tallia1Kubuntu: why don't you do it yourself?
[05:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> because i had hard time compiling
[05:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> actually compiling the dependancies
[05:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i got crazy
[06:00] <tristanmike> it get's less crazy the more you do...you end up having all the proper depends after compiling a few programs
[06:00] <tristanmike> so you pull your hair out for a few apps then the rest become a breeze, more or less
[06:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> gtk+ got me crazy
[06:09] <lwizardl> what is this called ? I'm wanting to setup a backend server to serv as the main information host and have two or three terminals pulling the information and updating as needed. is that called terminal servers ?
[06:12] <FreshWater> gstffmpegdec.c(527): gst_ffmpegdec_get_buffer: /internal_thread/decoder/ffdec_mpeg42:
[06:12] <FreshWater> Failed to link ffmpeg decoder to next element
[06:13] <FreshWater> meta info on file divx
[06:13] <FreshWater> whats up?
[06:15] <FreshWater> has anyone got DivX to work on ubuntu
[06:16] <robotgeek> FreshWater: are you on dapper?
[06:16] <robotgeek> did you take a look at RestrictedFormats page?
[06:16] <FreshWater> 5.1
[06:17] <FreshWater> Breezy Badger
[06:17] <FreshWater> yes got w32codecs
[06:17] <FreshWater> and mp3 to work
[06:17] <robotgeek> FreshWater: kaffeine-xine?
[06:18] <FreshWater> yes kaffeine, but not xine, gstreamer
[06:19] <robotgeek> FreshWater: to use w32codecs, you need kaffine-xine
[06:19] <FreshWater> ok cheers
[06:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !audacity
[06:20] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:20] <Tuxutug> Salut
[06:20] <robotgeek> sault Tuxutug
[06:20] <robotgeek> salut, err
[06:23] <Tuxutug> je viens d'installer Kubuntu   et je fais un test
[06:23] <robotgeek> !fr
[06:23] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:23] <Tuxutug> oui
[06:24] <FreshWater> does adept do the dependences aswell
[06:26] <Tuxutug> bye bye
[06:28] <robotgeek> FreshWater: yes
[06:45] <FreshWater> kaffeine-xine just crashes, but xine works
[06:46] <FreshWater> slowed my machine
[06:54] <vinboy> is there any KConfigEditor compiled for debian??
[06:55] <robotgeek> vinboy: what?
[06:56] <vinboy> is there any KConfigEditor for kubuntu?
[06:56] <robotgeek> vinboy: what is this kconfigeditor?
[06:57] <vinboy> http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kconfigeditor/
[07:01] <robotgeek> vinboy: i dont see one in the repos
[07:03] <vinboy> robotgeek: ok... thanks... i dun think there is a .deb yet
[07:03] <vinboy> maybe bcoz the package is new
[07:30] <zepmantra> hello what could be the problem if the installation hangs on "installing base-system"
[07:31] <Red_Herring> bad cd
[07:34] <zepmantra> ic ...
[07:35] <jeff_> hey guys
[07:37] <jeff_> does anybody know where to get kicker backgrounds?
[07:38] <robotgeek> jeff_: maybe www.kde-look.org
[07:38] <jeff_> lol i already tried that
[07:41] <nto_> i just cant get firefox to wirk with java, any ideas?
[07:42] <Red_Herring> !java
[07:42] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[07:42] <nto_> yeah, tried that but still no luck
[07:42] <Red_Herring> that *should* aid in troubleshooting
[07:55] <vinboy> wat is the light version of firefox called?
[07:57] <Red_Herring> wha?!? firefox was the LIGHT verion of mozilla!
[07:57] <Dasnipa`> lol
[08:02] <Red_Herring> its 01:02:03 04/05/06 here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:03] <Dasnipa`> indeed it is
[08:03] <Dasnipa`> whats the big dealio
[08:03] <Red_Herring> amazing... yet no one cares!
[08:04] <Dasnipa`> i cant speak for the average person in here... but i go to sleep around 2-3 daily 4+ on weekends... 1 am is no big deal and neither are my bedtimes
[08:05] <m5m> I'm trying to run without X on my laptop, but the system font maps to the bottom of the screen so I can't see what I'm typing... anyone know a fix for this???
[08:06] <fatejudger> can anyone recommend an audio re-encoding program for KDE?
[08:26] <pvh> Red_Herring|ZzZz: That's awsome.
[08:26] <pvh> Dasnipa`: You didn't   get it.
[08:26] <Dasnipa`> oh i get it
[08:26] <Dasnipa`> damn
[08:33] <mindspin> which command will show a list of all installed packages?
[08:34] <pvh> dpkg -l
[08:34] <Dasnipa`> or aptitude will show it
[08:34] <mindspin> thanks
[08:35] <mindspin> dpkg -I does not
[08:35] <pvh> mindspin: it does here.
[08:35] <pvh> that's dpkg with a lower case "ell"
[08:35] <mindspin> ok
[08:36] <mindspin> now it does ;-)
[08:40] <fatejudger> is anyone able to get mppdec to work?
[08:40] <fatejudger> I think I should be installing something other than just the library
[08:47] <Hobbsee> does kopete do voice chats, and if so, how?
[09:13] <ganymed> hallo. i need help urgently
[09:14] <ganymed> my kontact keeps crashing, right when i start it
[09:14] <ganymed> it works for another user, but not for mine... any ideas?
[09:14] <ganymed> i have already reinstalled
[09:32] <zezu> how can i install from an iso from within another distro of linux ?
[09:32] <zezu> (to another partition)
[09:33] <kosh> not easily
[09:33] <zezu> hmm
[09:34] <zezu> i know some of the installers for usbdrives use syslinux and get it to install from iso
[09:34] <kosh> the intsaller expects to be in full control since it detects hardware etc
[09:34] <zezu> so i know its possible
[09:34] <zezu> ah that is true
[09:34] <kosh> oh it is possible
[09:34] <kosh> I just said it was not easy :)
[09:34] <kosh> I installed debian while running mandrake about 7 years
[09:34] <zezu> i *could* get grub to boot some minimal core like syslinux and point it to a hdd
[09:35] <kosh> using stuff like chroot, manual install etc :)
[09:35] <zezu> think that'd work ?
[09:35] <kosh> why not just boot from the cd?
[09:35] <kosh> and do a normal install?
[09:35] <zezu> well the system i am putting it on doesn't have cdrom or network
[09:35] <zezu> hehe
[09:35] <kosh> hmm no cdrom and no network
[09:36] <zezu> but, it does have usb
[09:36] <kosh> what kind of computer does not have a cdrom?
[09:36] <kosh> or network
[09:36] <kosh> was it made by fisher price? :)
[09:36] <zezu> well its actually an arcade machine i'll be writing software for
[09:36] <zezu> not quite
[09:36] <kosh> ah
[09:36] <zezu> close tho
[09:37] <SonnyBurnett> hi I'm planning to install kubuntu, what version do you recommend me?
[09:37] <zezu> i have slackware and a LFS on there now, did that by installing the slackware from my own pc on the hdd, then building the LFS ;)
[09:37] <kosh> breezy
[09:37] <kosh> zezu: it would be easier you to do regular debian then ubuntu
[09:37] <zezu> i want to rid myself of the slackware and put Flight6 on there
[09:37] <SonnyBurnett> kosh, what about dapper?
[09:38] <kosh> SonnyBurnett: it is more in flux with more stuff broken, I figured since you where asking you should go with the most stable solution
[09:38] <zezu> hmm, i know debian has that minimal network installer, i should download all the files then put them in one place ? and pretend it had network and downloaded them all ?
[09:38] <zezu> b/c regular debian is fine too
[09:38] <kosh> zezu: debian has a minimal hard drive installer, you can just download a tar.gz and uncompress it to get a base install
[09:39] <kosh> zezu: and then from there if you put the apt files locally you can install more
[09:39] <SonnyBurnett> kosh, and in breezy I have the last versions of kde, open office , etc?
[09:39] <zezu> sound good
[09:39] <zezu> to find it now
[09:39] <kosh> SonnyBurnett: probably not the latest versions of all of that stuff
[09:39] <kosh> zezu: maybe you should just stick the hardrive in a regular box, install and upate it and then move the drive over
[09:40] <zezu> yes thats what i did
[09:40] <zezu> was hoping to avoid doing it again but i might
[09:40] <zezu> the drive is easy to rip out anyways
[09:40] <rohan> hi all
[09:40] <kosh> SonnyBurnett: how much experience do you have with unixes?
[09:40] <zezu> i was just hoping for a quick answer like add a line to grub and another quick kernel
[09:40] <rohan> can someone tell whether kde 3.5.2 on kubuntu solves this bug or no ?
[09:40] <rohan> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124807
[09:41] <rohan> zezu: what do you want to do ?
[09:41] <zezu> install linux from another linux partition w/o network or cdrom ;)
[09:41] <zezu> from an iso
[09:41] <zezu> kindof like a usbdisk would do it
[09:42] <rohan> zezu: sorry, no ide
[09:42] <rohan> zezu: sorry, no idea
[09:42] <kosh> rohan: don't know if it has it, I would have to play around with alt-tab which is not something I normally do
[09:42] <zezu> yea i think i'll prob just go with the debian network installer
[09:42] <rohan> kosh: ok..
[09:43] <noiesmo> zezu, I have installed debian from another partition, I used the debian minimal install and an installer option is either http or partiton or cdrom
[09:43] <kosh> rohan: I don't have overlapping windows so I don't use alt-tab much
[09:43] <rohan> kosh: you dont use kde ?
[09:43] <kosh> http://aesaeion.com/mydesk
[09:43] <zezu> yea i used it before myself, but i used it from cd
[09:44] <noiesmo> zezu, I boot from mininal install disk set up partition and then when asked for source for install i select the partition that contained an debian install and away it went
[09:44] <zezu> see
[09:44] <zezu> how do i boot the net installer tho from the other partition ?
[09:44] <zezu> (no cdrom)
[09:44] <kosh> rohan: with virtual desktops and 4 monitors I don't overlap windows much
[09:45] <zezu> can i mount an iso ?
[09:45] <kosh> you can
[09:45] <kosh> using loop
[09:45] <rohan> kosh: lol ok
[09:46] <rohan> zezu: mount foo.iso /mnt/path -o loop
[09:46] <noiesmo> zezu, you will need boot image for floppy or usb not sure were to obtain. the other thing I have done is booted a pc with cdrom(knoppix then ran termianl server got other system to boot of floppy and start terminal session then chroot and set up new install
[09:46] <zezu> whats this : /debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta2/images/hd-media/
[09:46] <zezu> ?
[09:47] <zezu> its in with usb/ floppy (others)
[09:47] <noiesmo> zezu, the system with out cdrom has floppy? and network access
[09:47] <zezu> no readme
[09:47] <zezu> no
[09:47] <zezu> neither
[09:47] <zezu> it has usb ;)
[09:47] <zezu> two ports only
[09:47] <zezu> i just stuck a cheap crap wifi card in there (pci dlink GWL series)
[09:48] <zezu> dont know if that is going to work tho
[09:48] <noiesmo> zezu, check this http://d-i.pascal.at/
[09:48] <zezu> and my LFS doesn't have network installed into it even
[09:48] <zezu> heh
[09:48] <zezu> noiesmo, i'd do that if i could too
[09:48] <zezu> this board won't boot from usb
[09:49] <zezu> i want to make it do that to a hdd from grub
[09:50] <zezu> i guess i'll get netisnt and this hd-media, i think it might be for what i'm trying to do
[09:51] <noiesmo> zezu, add the hd to another system that has install then mount the new hd and chroot into it
[09:51] <zezu> yea if i add it to another system i'll just put in the cd ;)
[09:53] <zezu> i guess i might as well just add it, could have had it installed already
[09:53] <rohan> no one to confirm the bug for me :(
[09:53] <zezu> hmm 5.10 is breezy still sin't it ?
[09:54] <noiesmo> zezu, sorry good luck
[09:54] <zezu> thought i got flight6
[09:55] <kameron> how do you change the default browser to firefox?
[09:56] <zezu> noiesmo, thx
[09:56] <zezu> ;p
[09:58] <rohan> kameron: kcontrol - Kde componenets - web browser
[09:59] <noiesmo> zezu, np :)
[10:00] <zezu> bbiab
[10:00] <zezu> thx
[10:05] <mindspin> has anybody an idea how to get flash playing sounds? it worked once
[10:35] <ganymed> ciao
[10:36] <Den> hi - How do I get the Mozilla SeaMonkey suite?  It's not in adept for Dapper.
[10:36] <Den> Why isn't it there?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Den: it's there, under mozilla
[10:40] <Den> Hobbsee: I typed "mozilla" in adept, & looked at all the items - I don't see "seamonkey" anywhere.  Is that what it's called?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> mozilla is what the package is called, yes
[10:43] <tijn> Hey all
[10:44] <Den> Hobbsee: Er, that looks like a collection of Mozilla related items, but not seamonkey - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/  - Are you _sure_ "mozilla" in adept = Seamonkey?
[10:45] <Den> Hobbsee: that seems to be missing the html editor?
[10:45] <Den> Hobbsee: Composer?
[10:45] <mornfall> either way it's not adept's fault now is it?
[10:45] <Hobbsee> not sure
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:46] <Den> Hobbsee: OK, any idea where I can get a definitive answer?
[10:46] <Hobbsee|BrainDea> darn
[10:46] <mornfall> Den: seamonkey probably didn't make it
[10:47] <mornfall> Den: the one that was released in january
[10:47] <mornfall> Den: the "old" seamonkey is mozilla 1.x i guess
[10:48] <Den> mornfall: It seems leaving out seamonkey is missing a big thing - who do I ask to find out if it can be included?
[10:48] <mornfall> Den: if i was to guess -- dapper+1 -- other than that, everyone is firefox-positive these days
[10:49] <Den> mornfall: thx :)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> were they even developing seamonkey anymore?
[11:10] <Den> Hi - When I use my touchpad to move around, sometimes it causes a kind of "switch very fast between different windows" - It seems like a bug. Dapper.  Have you heard of or experienced this?  Is this a known bug:
[11:11] <Den> ?
[11:14] <vge> you mean mouseweel usage over taskbar or open tabs?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> Den: you should probably ask in #ubuntu+1 as that's the dapper support channel
[11:15] <Den> Hobbsee: thx
[11:16] <vge> how do i upgrade from kernel 2.6.16 to kernel 2.6.17rl1?
[11:21] <kosh> vge: why do you want to?
[11:21] <Den> Hi - Can someone tell me about using voice capability with IRC?  Konversation has an option (to show?) +V with nicknames for voice, what is this about?  Does Konversation have voice capability?
[11:22] <vge> kosh: becouse it has BCM43xx driver
[11:22] <kosh> Den: that voice thing does not mean the same thing, that just means if you are allowed to talk
[11:22] <kosh> Den: if you want voice with irc you would need some kind of program to convert your voice to text and then convert text to speech back on your end
[11:23] <kosh> Den: you can't actually send audio over irc
[11:23] <kosh> vge: ah
[11:23] <Den> kosh: thx - er, I'm thinking there ought to be a way to have VOIP linked with IRC channel users - any ideas?
[11:23] <kosh> vge: well you need some of the incremental patches
[11:23] <kosh> Den: I don't think that will work
[11:24] <kosh> Den: irc is just text chat, that is all the standard is
[11:24] <vge> kosh: patch-2.6.17-rc1.bz2 <-- would this be any good?
[11:24] <Den> kosh: thx :(
[11:24] <kosh> vge: yeah
[11:25] <kosh> Den: why do you want that? why not just use some voip software directly with another person? why do you want it hooked to irc?
[11:25] <vge> how do i apply it to my brand new 2.6.16 kerel?
[11:25] <kosh> use the patch command with that file and the 2.6.16 kernel source
[11:26] <Den> kosh: It would be nice if there was an indicator on nicks that they had voice capability - it would be easy to see who you could voic io with
[11:26] <kosh> Den: I doubt that almost anyone have voip software setup that is on irc
[11:26] <Den> kosh: I would.  I hope to soon
[11:27] <kosh> I use a telephone about 20 minutes per year, voip is nowhere on my list of things to do :)
[11:27] <vge> and i got skype to all my needs :)
[11:27] <kosh> Den: you probably need to use something like icq, aim etc
[11:28] <Den> kosh: vge :)
[11:45] <Den> What mail program(s) are most used in the KDE world?
[11:46] <dr3as> kmail and thunderbird?
[11:47] <Den> dr3as: Which do you use?
[11:47] <dr3as> thunderbird
[11:48] <Hobbsee> thunderbird here
[11:48] <Den> dr3as: Hobbsee thx :)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> it's the only thing that lets me have 3 email accounts, do them reasonably well, and actually send from all 3 in a sane manner!
[11:48] <Chameleon22> can anyone recomend a good network modeling/diagram tool? Not including Dia.
[11:48] <kosh> kmail is the most used in kde
[11:48] <twosouls82> hi all
[11:49] <Hobbsee> sylpheed claws was the other i used for a while - and it was good, but didnt have a terribly good mail notifier, IMO
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hey twosouls82
[11:49] <twosouls82> tristanmike: you are allways here, aren't you?
[11:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, tristanmike lives here
[11:49] <twosouls82> Hobbsee: :)
[11:49] <Den> kosh:  What do you use?
[11:49] <kosh> kmail
[11:49] <kosh> with about 4G worth of email :)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> kosh: how many email accounts with it?
[11:50] <Den> kosh: why kmaiil not tb?
[11:50] <kosh> thunderbird did not even exist when I started using kmail
[11:50] <kosh> kmail also intergrated with everything else I have
[11:50] <twosouls82> kmail. is good and integrates gooed into de
[11:50] <twosouls82> kde*
[11:51] <kosh> Hobbsee: I think I have two that it recieves from and 1 that it sends from
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:51] <Den> kosh: what items are most important wrt integration?
[11:51] <kosh> Hobbsee: I have not had a reason to have many email accounts
[11:51] <Hobbsee> lucky
[11:51] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i wonder if i now have 9, and how i access the 9th
[11:52] <mindspin> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20060404-1.txt
[11:52] <mornfall> is that addresses or just places to collect mail?
[11:52] <kosh> Den: spellchecking is universal in kde so if I add a word in one app it works in all of them, the addressbook is shared in all of them, when I send an email I can use the ioslaves to attach files etc
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ah...a couple are redirects...
[11:53] <kosh> I have my own server that all my email is done at
[11:54] <Den> Everyone - what is the best or recommended calendaring program for prople running KDE on the desktop - I don't care if it is a KDE program.  Are the mozilla people doing that?
[11:54] <mornfall> anything wrong with kontact/korganizer?
[11:54] <kosh> kontact works well
[11:54] <twosouls82> kosh: that's impossible in the The Netherlands..
[11:54] <kosh> twosouls82: what is?
[11:54] <twosouls82> an own server at home
[11:55] <Hobbsee> i think i've missed one...
[11:55] <kosh> I don't really like the mozilla project programs very much, I find that use far far more resources then the kde programs which hurts my development
[11:55] <kosh> especially firefox, I use that one to to test stuff and close it as soon as I am done with it
[11:55] <Den> mornfall: What emila prog do you use?
[11:55] <kosh> twosouls82: why can't you have a server at home?
[11:55] <mornfall> mutt :]
[11:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:56] <twosouls82> kosh: we do not have a static ip her
[11:56] <twosouls82> here*
[11:56] <kosh> twosouls82: that seems strange, how could you be someplace where you can't buy a static ip from your isp?
[11:56] <kosh> twosouls82: besides I have a business dsl connection
[11:56] <twosouls82> kosh: ahh
[11:57] <vge> hmm, whats the actual command to apply the patch?
[11:57] <twosouls82> kosh: maybe I am wrong (but when I looked into it 3 years ago, tehy said it couldn't)
[11:58] <kosh> patch --dry-run -p1 < patchfile   I think should do it
[11:58] <kosh> do that first, if everything succeeds remove the --dry-run
[11:59] <cowboyfeng> I just installed automatix and I seem to be having trouble accessing mysql sites:  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
[11:59] <cowboyfeng> Any ideas
[11:59] <Den> What IM programs are most used in KDE world?  Kopete?  Gaim?  Othere?
[11:59] <kosh> twosouls82: so how would companies be able to write web stuff and publish it if you can't get static ips?
[11:59] <kosh> ah I don't use any im programs
[12:01] <zepmantra> how can i edit bootsplash image...
[12:01] <twosouls82> kosh: only companicies are  allowed to (you need a tax #)
[12:02] <Den> kosh: thx :)
[12:02] <Den> Anyone else use & recommend and IM program?
[12:02] <twosouls82> Den: there are alot
[12:02] <vendor> hi
[12:03] <twosouls82> what kiund of protocol?
[12:03] <vendor> is there any reason for the amarok-latest symlink on http://kubuntu.org/packages/ disappearing?
[12:03] <Den> twosouls82: Whatever might be useful for doing international business/communication.
[12:03] <twosouls82> Den, Kopete, SIM, KVirc, Konversation, Skype etc
[12:03] <Hobbsee> vendor: you'd have to ask Riddell that
[12:03] <vendor> Hobbsee: thx
[12:04] <twosouls82> Den: look for them on www.kde-apps.org
[12:04] <Den> twosouls82: Non IRC IM programs.
[12:04] <twosouls82> Den: and skype is here: www.skype.com
[12:04] <twosouls82> and kopete is a universal messenger
[12:04] <Den> twosouls82: I'm looking - but I'm wondering if there are non KDE aps that are popular for IM
[12:05] <twosouls82> Den: Gaim
[12:06] <kosh> I like to stay with the kde apps
[12:06] <kosh> kde apps heavily share resources so each additional app does not take as many resources
[12:06] <Den> kosh: thx :)
[12:07] <vge> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/641706 <-- any ideas?
[12:07] <Den> twosouls82: Do you use gaim
[12:08] <kosh> vge: are you in the dir where your unpackage 2.6.16 at?
[12:08] <vge> yes
[12:09] <kosh> try use p0
[12:09] <vge> shoud i just ctrl+x on the present or something?
[12:09] <kosh> ctrl-c
[12:10] <vge> can i run the same patch again if it for somereason fails?
[12:10] <kosh> yeah
[12:10] <kosh> that is why you have --dry-run in there :)
[12:10] <Den> Hobbsee: why do you use binaries from the moz site, not ubuntu apt?
[12:10] <kosh> it won't do anything it is just testing
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Den: mozilla binaries are faster
[12:10] <Hobbsee> and seem to have less of a memory footprint
[12:11] <Den> Hobbsee: How much?  Why?
[12:11] <kosh> Hobbsee: I hate how firefox does its own memory management
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Den: i dont have benchmarks - the forums probably do though
[12:11] <Den> twosouls82: What is SIM
[12:11] <kosh> Hobbsee: instead of writing to a file on the filesystem and memory mapping it firefox just burns memory until it thinks the system is running out of memory
[12:11] <Hobbsee> is this mozilla binaries, or ubuntu ones?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> or both?
[12:11] <kosh> just like java
[12:11] <vge> any more ideas? the patch file is in the same folder as the kernel
[12:11] <kosh> Hobbsee: both it is a fundamental firefox thing
[12:12] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:12] <kosh> Hobbsee: the only options they have for tuning it is telling it to cache less stuff
[12:12] <twosouls82> Den: SIM stands for Simple Instant Messenger, a KDE program.. aMSN is not a KDE program
[12:12] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:12] <kosh> fundamentally firefox has very crappy behavior related to memory which kills my development
[12:12] <kosh> with firefox running for a few hours doing development it will be using close to a 1G of ram and swap my db out
[12:13] <kosh> I use konqueror for my work and regular browsing
[12:13] <Tm_T> Konqueror && SeaMonkey here
[12:13] <vendor> Riddell: Are you there? Did you delete the amarok-latest link on http://kubuntu.org/packages/  on purpose?
[12:13] <kosh> it is better to develop with since it is far pickier then firefox is and has better css support
[12:13] <Den> kosh: What do you mean by "development" ?
[12:14] <kosh> Den: I write db software for a living
[12:14] <Riddell> vendor: I've added it back now
[12:14] <vendor> cool, thanks
[12:14] <Riddell> vendor: although it won't work for breezy
[12:14] <vendor> thats fine with me ^^
[12:15] <vge> kosh: changing the p0 to p1 or p2 didint really help, same error :/
[12:15] <kosh> firefox just needs to be a better behaved app, it just seems it is designed with the idea that you will only be running one or so program at a time
[12:15] <Den> kosh: So, by "with firefox running for a few hours doing development" you mean "with me using ff for a few hours to look up web stuff about db development while I'm doing db sw developement"?
[12:16] <kosh> Den: looking up docs for the language, db, checking some of the output that is web based etc
[12:16] <vendor> Riddell: but wouldnt it make more sense to have the -latest links point to the latest stable? like you did it with kde and koffice?
[12:16] <Den> kosh: thx :)
[12:17] <kosh> konqueror is mostly shared memory and the cache seems to be extremely well behaved
[12:17] <twosouls82> can I install rpm packages using alien?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> twosouls82: better to compile the source
[12:17] <twosouls82> :)
[12:17] <Riddell> vendor: that's not the case with kde or koffice
[12:18] <kosh> so I can run konqueror for long periods of time with very little memory usage
[12:18] <Riddell> vendor: the trouble is that not all packages get made for all distro versions
[12:18] <Den> Is there a qicktime plugin for mozilla firefox or for konq?
[12:18] <kosh> my experience is konqueror uses about 1/10th the memory that firefox does
[12:18] <twosouls82> kosh: it does indeed
[12:18] <Riddell> Den: kaffeine or kmplayer with w32codecs
[12:18] <kosh> with the w32codecs installed xine and mplayer can play quicktime but there is no official quicktime for linux
[12:18] <Den> twosouls82: thx for sim info
[12:19] <twosouls82> :)
[12:19] <kosh> however not all quicktime files can be played
[12:19] <kosh> vge: I don't know what the problem is, I have not done patches in a long time
[12:19] <vendor> Riddell: i see. hmm, i'd really like the most up-to-date version of amarok. but having a beta of software i use so regulary seems... not good.
[12:19] <Den> kosh: Not the latest & best, or oldest & worst?
[12:19] <vendor> Riddell: maybe another symlink "...-beta"?
[12:20] <kosh> Den: the HD ones I don't think play, all the others I think play fine
[12:20] <vendor> Riddell: if thats not asking too much
[12:21] <vendor> Riddell: or "...-stable"
[12:21] <johannes-g> halla audun
[12:21] <audun> halla
[12:21] <johannes-g> skjera?
[12:22] <audun> ikke s mye
[12:22] <johannes-g> s gy
[12:22] <Den> kosh: where are you located?
[12:22] <kosh> Den: earth
[12:22] <Den> kosh: No!
[12:22] <Riddell> vendor: trouble is there is no packages of the latest stable 1.3.9
[12:22] <Den> kosh: Hey - I hear earth girls are easy.
[12:22] <kosh> Den: I am still working on being able to relocate elsewhere :)
[12:23] <Hobbsee_away> Riddell: need someone to package it for you, or it really doesnt exist?
[12:23] <audun> halla ine
[12:23] <Den> kosh: where on EARTH?!
[12:23] <johannes-g> iine
[12:23] <ine> hahaha:P'
[12:23] <johannes-g> HVA SKJERA?????????????
[12:23] <johannes-g> hei
[12:24] <vge> kosh: http://pastebin.com/641730 <-- progress, but what does that mean :)
[12:24] <vendor> Riddell: hmm. so what about having a symlink "...-stable" pointing at the latest _available_ stable? 1.3.8 in this case.
[12:25] <ine> hei:)
[12:25] <vge> hei hei
[12:25] <Riddell> vendor: done
[12:25] <_johannes-g> halla
[12:25] <_johannes-g> alle sammen
[12:26] <_johannes-g> good morning
[12:26] <vendor> Riddell: thanks again
[12:26] <_johannes-g> ppl
[12:26] <_johannes-g> ANSWER ME PPL!!!!!!!!!!
[12:27] <ine> :D'
[12:28] <ine> er det noen fra klassen her??
[12:30] <dr3as> hvilken klasse?
[12:33] <Den> NE1 - There was an article on slashdot about Skype, I some company admin saying he doesn't allow skype cause he "doesn't know what it does".  --  Will Skype on linux will _definitely_ not have root ability, if installed by the appropriate Ubuntu procedure?  One must install the deb as root, correct?
[12:33] <twosouls82> Den: yep
[12:34] <ine> hei::)
[12:34] <Den> twosouls82: yep=install as root, or yep = skype won't have root ability?
[12:34] <froedis> hei er det noen fra steinern her???
[12:34] <ine> ja:)'
[12:34] <twosouls82> Den: yep if both
[12:34] <ine> elskerg deg Frydis<3
[12:34] <twosouls82> Den: yep is both
[12:35] <mrmist> Hi all :)
[12:35] <twosouls82> mi mrmist
[12:35] <Den> twosouls82: How can one _know_ for sure skype won't take root abilities, unless you are the skype packager or author?
[12:35] <mrmist> :)
[12:35] <ine> Frydis?
[12:35] <ine> ????
[12:35] <Den> twosouls82: since apt is running as root when it does the install
[12:35] <ine> er u der Frydis???
[12:36] <twosouls82> Den: programs simply can't have them without you typing its password at startup of the program
[12:36] <mrmist> Anyone know how to operate a creative sound-card ?
[12:36] <froedis> hei
[12:36] <ine> Skjer
[12:36] <froedis> ikke  her ass
[12:36] <froedis> der a
[12:36] <Den> twosouls82: thx :)
[12:36] <froedis> ????
[12:36] <twosouls82> :) den ;)
[12:36] <ine> neij...ikke mye...husk og legg chaten p linja nt dvergen kommer
[12:37] <twosouls82> Den: welcome to linux :)
[12:37] <mrmist> I want to "route" the main audio out another output..
[12:37] <Den> twosouls82: :)
[12:37] <twosouls82> mrmist: that's beyond my league, sorry
[12:37] <froedis> hei
[12:37] <mrmist> ai..
[12:37] <twosouls82> froedis: English please
[12:38] <ine> heisannn:)
[12:38] <TUNGTVANN> HAALLOOOO
[12:38] <mrmist> er... is this a norwegian channel now ?
[12:38] <mrmist> hehe
[12:38] <ine> _sssen skifter man nick?
[12:38] <mrmist> I'm a norwegian too though :P
[12:38] <Vampis> lol
[12:38] <TUNGTVANN> VI SKRIVER MED STOR SKRIFT DA!!??
[12:38] <Vampis> Kanske ska brja med svenska istllet ?
[12:38] <ine> OK
[12:38] <Vampis> ;)
[12:38] <ine> MEN SSSSEEENNN SKIFTER MAN NICK?
[12:38] <Den> NE1 - Konqueror displays this page rather strangely - Because 1) Konq is not well developed, or 2) Mozilla web page is being nasty?
[12:38] <TUNGTVANN> SKJER A ELSKLINGEN MIN(L)
[12:38] <twosouls82> can some operator kick these pests?
[12:38] <ine> IKKE NO SPZZZZ..
[12:38] <Den> NE1 http://www.mozilla.com/products/
[12:39] <mrmist> Anyhow... I reaaaly need to route the audio-output on my creative-card to my "back speaker"-out instead
[12:39] <mrmist> it's generally known to be a less noizy connector on my soundcard
[12:39] <mrmist> I'm using kx-drivers on windows
[12:39] <twosouls82> Den: Konqueror has best CSS support, so it's propably the site
[12:40] <ine> HALLLLLLOOO:d:d
[12:40] <ine> INE ER EGO
[12:40] <_paavo> hei baby
[12:40] <TUNGTVANN> HEI MY HOIE
[12:40] <TUNGTVANN> HOE!
[12:40] <Den> twosouls82: thx :)
[12:41] <ine> HALLLLLLAAAAAAAAAA BABY!'
[12:41] <_paavo> hallllooooooooooo
[12:41] <Gaston> it's always easy to find something that works on some browser and not on another one. Mozilla's webpage is not a good test for comparison
[12:41] <Gaston> :)
[12:42] <ine> HALLA:d
[12:42] <roger> halla
[12:42] <kosh> konqueror has the best css support but fiefox has bett figuring out of what to do when stuff is wrong
[12:42] <ine> ER PAAVO ROGER?
[12:42] <TUNGTVANN> jaaa
[12:42] <mrmist> I doubt konqueror has better CSS-support than firefox
[12:43] <roger> ja
[12:43] <TUNGTVANN> JAA TROR DET
[12:43] <ine> OKEY:)
[12:43] <mrmist> kosh: In what way ?
[12:43] <ine> HEHEHE:p
[12:43] <TUNGTVANN> HAN SUGER S HARDT
[12:43] <twosouls82> mrmist: read the W3c website
[12:43] <kosh> mrmist: if you want to look at acid2 go ahead
[12:43] <roger> e kriss her
[12:43] <roger> er
[12:43] <vge> http://pastebin.com/641730 <-- what does that mean
[12:43] <ine> TRUKKE DT...................
[12:44] <kosh> mrmist: I can't think of any other specific examples right now but I do run into many things that are spec and does work right in konqueror but not in firefox or opera
[12:44] <dr3as> hvilken skole er dere fra?
[12:44] <ine> SSSEN SKIFTER MAN NICK?
[12:44] <ine> STEINERN
[12:44] <kosh> konqueror has slightly better css then firefox, both of them have very good dom support
[12:44] <sunniva-naomi> hvet a faen
[12:44] <vge> ine: tyst ny
[12:44] <sunniva-naomi> hold.......
[12:44] <roger> er kriss sunniva
[12:44] <mrmist> I'm a long-time web-developer now, and thus far Firefox is the best multi-platform browser to delop for
[12:44] <TUNGTVANN> DER NIKET
[12:44] <mrmist> develop
[12:44] <TUNGTVANN> STR
[12:45] <ylva> heisann
[12:45] <TUNGTVANN> ER NOEN DER EL??????
[12:45] <sunniva-naomi> ja jeg er her
[12:45] <TUNGTVANN> HAHHAA
[12:45] <TUNGTVANN> SNAKK DA;)
[12:45] <Vampis> ja
[12:45] <Vampis> turn of capslock ffs
[12:45] <kosh> twosouls82: that is one reason why it works better to develop with, errors show up instead of being patched around
[12:45] <kosh> Vampis: I am must happy that ignore is so simple :)
[12:45] <twosouls82> kosh: that's what I mean :)
[12:45] <Roger> mads er homo
[12:46] <Lokkedua> tfft
[12:46] <kosh> firefox and konqueror both have very good dom support, firefox has better javascript support
[12:46] <anonym> mads er homo
[12:46] <Lokkedua> noen som vil p "blind date" m mads her?
[12:46] <TUNGTVANN> hvem er her???
[12:46] <kosh> opera has worse css then firefox by a little, and some really nasty dom and javascript problems
[12:46] <anonym> mads er homo
[12:46] <Lokkedua> ylva
[12:46] <kosh> thankfully it also has no marketshare
[12:47] <twosouls82> kosh: javascript sux big time when developing with Konqueror (DHTML)
[12:47] <ine> :d
[12:47] <TUNGTVANN> mads og ylva er her hvertfall:P
[12:47] <anonym> ja
[12:47] <TUNGTVANN> halla julia
[12:47] <Vampis> kosh: I can only imagine :D
[12:47] <anonym> jeg skal date mads
[12:47] <julia> halla hora:P
[12:47] <ine> :p
[12:48] <julia> hehe
[12:48] <TUNGTVANN> haha:P
[12:48] <kosh> twosouls82: I have had no problems with the javascript I write, however it chokes on bad javascript and most people have no clue how to write good javascript
[12:48] <julia> skjera?
[12:48] <twosouls82> kosh: konqueror is the only web browser that doesn't kwow what "designMode = on" means
[12:48] <TUNGTVANN> er ine der el?
[12:48] <mrmist> Firefox is by far the most "strict" browser, hence a script developed for firefox seems to work in all browsers
[12:48] <julia> fy faen ass, axell er HOMO!
[12:48] <TUNGTVANN> ikke en dritt dette suger:P
[12:48] <mrmist> Gotta admit though... I didn't test everything in "konqueror" until recently
[12:48] <BOWWOW> :d
[12:48] <twosouls82> I did it for 8 years
[12:48] <kosh> twosouls82: that isn't even part of a standard, I have heard they are thinking of adding it eventually but it is not a feature I care about
[12:48] <TUNGTVANN> snakk da
[12:49] <TUNGTVANN> hei lille hoe
[12:49] <twosouls82> kosh: some website use it for a richtext editorr :)
[12:49] <BOWWOW> JAJA MEN JOHANNES KLIKKE RP MEG!
[12:49] <rebekka> halla
[12:49] <kosh> mrmist: konqueror is stricter then firefox is in that many errors it won't recover from that firefox will
[12:49] <maria> hei folks
[12:49] <kosh> twosouls82: none of mine do
[12:49] <julia> hoe eru sjl:p
[12:49] <INE> :p
[12:49] <TUNGTVANN> hei renbekkka:p:p:p:::::HAHAH KREMT P
[12:49] <twosouls82> kosh: and true that's not in the spec
[12:49] <ineog> :P
[12:49] <kosh> mrmist: my view though is if a page does not pass the w3c html and css validators with 0 errors then what the web browser does is not defined anyways
[12:49] <twosouls82> kosh: GMail.com
[12:50] <julia> hva the fuck is mrmist?
[12:50] <maria> data er ddskjedelig. bare s dere vet det.
[12:50] <kosh> I don't use gmail and would never use it
[12:50] <julia> who*
[12:50] <kosh> they have turned over emails that where supposed to have been deleted
[12:50] <maria> hvem faen er kosh??
[12:50] <julia> hehe maria, I know I knoe!
[12:50] <julia> know*
[12:50] <kosh> all the email you have on it can be used for marketing, turned over etc
[12:51] <twosouls82> what the heck
[12:51] <twosouls82> :P
[12:51] <mrmist> kosh: it can be hard to validate a perl-CGI that generates HTML dynamically
[12:51] <maria> who are kosh??
[12:51] <julia> who is "kosh"?
[12:51] <BOWWOW> :p
[12:51] <rebekka> kjer a julia
[12:51] <kosh> maria: I am me
[12:51] <a_ousmane> hi everyone!
[12:51] <BOWWOW> FRYDIS ER DU DER?
[12:51] <julia> hehe, lite , savner deg og elsker deg rebekka! det er vel det som skjer:P
[12:52] <BOWWOW> HALO ER DU DER FRYA?
[12:52] <kosh> I don't understand what you guys are saying though
[12:52] <a_ousmane> I'm newbie on linux sys but need equal vb 4 programming?!
[12:52] <julia> p.s kristian har liten pikk, til alles informasjon:P
[12:52] <BOWWOW> OKEY:p
[12:52] <BOWWOW> FRYDDDDDDIIIISSSSSSSSZ!!!
[12:52] <kosh> twosouls82: their do no evil policy does not cover using your deleted emails as a means of marketing products to you
[12:52] <TUNGTVANN> HEI SORRY
[12:52] <BOWWOW> HEHEHEHEHEH:d
[12:52] <julia> kosh: where are you from?
[12:52] <TUNGTVANN> ER HER N
[12:52] <kosh> julia: earth
[12:52] <Den> mrmist: What kind of web dev do you do, & what are your main tools?
[12:52] <rebekka> intressangt julia
[12:53] <BOWWOW> BABYN MIN
[12:53] <twosouls82> kosh: I never get ads
[12:53] <kosh> my web dev is with zope and python
[12:53] <TUNGTVANN> HEEIII ELSKLINGEN MIN(l)
[12:53] <julia> kosh: where on earth?
[12:53] <kosh> twosouls82: the adds are not for you and not shown in gmail
[12:53] <twosouls82> kosh: what is zope?
[12:53] <Vampis> zope ?
[12:53] <sensur> halla
[12:53] <kosh> twosouls82: zope is a web app server, it is probably the most secure app server out there
[12:53] <Vampis> never heard of it
[12:53] <mrmist> Den: I'm using MOD-Perl, together with dynamic html,javascript an CSS
[12:54] <Lokkedua> spe?
[12:54] <espen> jubbi
[12:54] <a_ousmane> VB SUR KUBUNTU????
[12:54] <sensur> det er meg
[12:54] <TUNGTVANN> NOTE A THINK
[12:54] <rebekka> du er rar
[12:54] <BOWWOW> :p
[12:54] <TUNGTVANN> HAHA
[12:54] <twosouls82> kosh: I use apache, because of it's modularity
[12:54] <espen> skrubberuff
[12:54] <TUNGTVANN> :p
[12:54] <Lokkedua> think a note
[12:54] <julia> hehe:P REBEKKA, det er litt morsomt da:p
[12:54] <rebekka> julia
[12:54] <kosh> twosouls82: most peope that use zope run apache in front of it
[12:54] <BOWWOW> FRYYYYDDDIIISSSS ER DU DER?:d
[12:54] <sensur> mads er homo
[12:54] <TUNGTVANN> DRIT MORSOMT PAAVOOOO!:p
[12:54] <BOWWOW> :p
[12:55] <twosouls82> kosh: I will look into zope
[12:55] <sunniva-naomi> enig
[12:55] <rebekka> du er morro ass
[12:55] <rebekka> julia
[12:55] <BOWWOW> JAJA:p ER DU DER FRYDISSS???
[12:55] <sensur> mads er homo
[12:55] <BOWWOW> JA;)
[12:55] <kosh> if you guys really wanted to figure out who I am and where I am located you could pretty easily, think of it as a test :)
[12:55] <mrmist> Er... when did this become a norwegian noob-channel ?
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FRYYYYDDDIIISSSSS!!!
[12:55] <kosh> twosouls82: it has a pretty large learning curve but it is very powerful
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FFFRYYDDISS
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FRYDIS
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FRYDIS?
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FRYIDS?
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FRYA?
[12:55] <kosh> twosouls82: our smallest sites are about 100 pages and our largest ones currently are about 50K pages
[12:55] <pul> kosh: are you gisken?:P
[12:55] <BOWWOW> FRYDEISSS
[12:56] <BOWWOW> FRYDDIIISSSSSS
[12:56] <twosouls82> kosh: gosh
[12:56] <Tm_T> BOWWOW: please stop that
[12:56] <BOWWOW> FRYYYAAA"!!!
[12:56] <kosh> gisken? what is that?
[12:56] <TUNGTVANN> JA MEN ENTEN ER DU DER IKKE ELLER S ER DU DER SORRRY
[12:56] <TUNGTVANN> :p
[12:56] <BOWWOW> BRA:)
[12:56] <danimo> stop it!
[12:56] <espen> erik spiller lommetennis
[12:56] <rebekka> er du der el julia
[12:56] <BOWWOW> DUST'
[12:56] <kosh> ignore list sure is going up quickly :)
[12:56] <twosouls82> could someone kick these foreign kids?
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> *cough*.
[12:56] <BOWWOW> :p
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> English here
[12:56] <TUNGTVANN> :
[12:56] <TUNGTVANN> :p
[12:56] <kosh> twosouls82: how large are the things you do?
[12:56] <BOWWOW> FRYYDDDOIIISSS?
[12:56] <TUNGTVANN> KAN MAN PRATE PRIVAT MED
[12:56] <pul> hvem faen er de andre her?
[12:56] <Tm_T> TUNGTVANN: BOWWOW: your last chance to behave
[12:56] <twosouls82> how did you get them Tm_T ?
[12:56] <espen> kdfjgjasgfyuadsgfiuagiuagsiuagiuasgiuasiugaiurglaugluahgluadgluagiuagdgidsifgdsiugidsugidugisudgiusfdgiufdgiusdifugliufdsgisudgiusgiusdgiusgisudriusrglusdrgudsglusidgflusdgluslusdliualiuaiualiuliuagfliuargiuawrfiuagluiagiualiuriag
[12:57] <BOWWOW> HVEM ER TIM?
[12:57] <twosouls82> :)
[12:57] <TUNGTVANN> DET ER HAN SOM ER HER
[12:57] <TUNGTVANN> SKERRRYY
[12:57] <BOWWOW> HAN ER DUST
[12:57] <kosh> twosouls82: the stuff I do are custom built for clients, they have anywhere from 5 to 3000 people that are allowed to edit stuff and lots of different viewing permissions
[12:57] <TUNGTVANN> JEG VET :p
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> now your in for it.
[12:57] <BOWWOW> tIM SUGER;)
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[12:57] <kosh> twosouls82: some people can edit a few documents, some can edit most, etc
[12:57] <Riddell> too slow Tm_T :)
[12:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: I am
[12:58] <twosouls82> kosh: :)
[12:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: I've been told many times I'm irc nazi =)
[12:58] <rebekka> du gjore i helgen'a julia
[12:58] <twosouls82> Riddel and Tm_T , how did you become operator?
[12:58] <Tm_T> so I try to be slow in this kind of channels
[12:58] <kosh> twosouls82: and the whole systems are real time so changes take effect instantly for viewing, searching etc
[12:58] <pul> lite..
[12:58] <kosh> Tm_T: feel free to be more of an irc nazi
[12:58] <julia> eller husker ikke..
[12:58] <Tm_T> kosh: thanks
[12:58] <rebekka> ful??
[12:58] <a_ousmane> hi pul
[12:59] <a_ousmane> hi julia then
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;p;
[12:59] <twosouls82> Tm_T: there a still more of them left here ;)
[12:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: do we have good rulesfor this channel? so I know when I can act like nazi ;)
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol even
[12:59] <Riddell> twosouls82: any kubuntu developer can become an op
[12:59] <julia> hei:)
[12:59] <a_ousmane> ubotu?
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: when  you want ;) your the one with the hat :)
[12:59] <rebekka> mads er homo
[12:59] <julia> haha
[12:59] <julia> veit..
[12:59] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: =)
[12:59] <twosouls82> Riddell: that's a good thing, I wondered where the ops where
[12:59] <Riddell> Tm_T: well, I think those two were going against any rules we would have
[12:59] <Riddell> !kops
[12:59] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fooishbar, haggai, amu, uniq, Mez, seth_k, nikkia, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, or robotgeek
[01:00] <Riddell> twosouls82: that lot
[01:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: true
[01:00] <julia> hva gjorde du i helgen?
[01:00] <a_ousmane> exit
[01:00] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yay!
[01:00] <rebekka> var sammen kristian
[01:00] <Riddell> apokryphos: prob;lem over, no panic
[01:00] <julia> a_ousmane: als?
[01:00] <twosouls82> Riddell: julia
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw, use that command if you need ops, not for fun ;)
[01:00] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: whenever I wan't including public aways, awaynicks etc etc ?
[01:00] <Riddell> rebekka, julia: english please
[01:00] <apokryphos> :)
[01:00] <kosh> ops are usually hidden on channels at least on freenode
[01:01] <julia> why?
[01:01] <apokryphos> kosh: not really hidden, but just not actively in op mode
[01:01] <kosh> apokryphos: that is what I meant
[01:01] <apokryphos> you can always see the ops in a channel from /chanserv access #channel list
[01:01] <Riddell> julia: else we have no idea what you're talking about :)  what language is it, there may well be a dedicated channel
[01:01] <apokryphos> (or, rather, people who have op rights)
[01:01] <julia> hehe, OK i see:P
[01:01] <Tm_T> :)
[01:02] <twosouls82> julia: thanx for your kindness :)
[01:02] <julia> ;)
[01:03] <rebekka> ikke sant mads er stygg,, julia
[01:03] <julia> rebekka:nei han er driiit deilig!
[01:03] <Tm_T> oh man...
[01:03] <julia> mads: skal vi mtes p doen  pule?
[01:03] <karoline> heiiii:P
[01:03] <Tm_T> !de
[01:03] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[01:03] <Tm_T> !dk
[01:03] <mads> jaaa
[01:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu diskussion paa dansk kan foeres i #ubuntu-dk
[01:04] <karoline> hvem er her?
[01:04] <julia> yes!
[01:04] <twosouls82> Tm_T: that's not German
[01:04] <rebekka> du e rekkel ass julia
[01:04] <Tm_T> twosouls82: I know, wrong button
[01:04] <julia> hehe, RENEE!
[01:04] <twosouls82> Tm_T: Looks like Norwegian
[01:04] <julia> hvem er ekkel her liksom?
[01:04] <karoline> du
[01:04] <twosouls82> or Danish
[01:04] <rebekka> du
[01:04] <mrmist> it IS norwegian!
[01:04] <Tm_T> twosouls82: danske, norge, svrje
[01:04] <dr3as> it's some kids from a school here in norway
[01:04] <dr3as> :S
[01:04] <rebekka> hore
[01:04] <twosouls82> :)
[01:04] <karoline> julia?
[01:04] <julia> it is norwegian;)
[01:04] <julia> ja?
[01:05] <twosouls82> :)
[01:05] <julia> hore selv rebekka!:p
[01:05] <rebekka> du er s d
[01:05] <Tm_T> julia: then please go to norwegian channel, you're "spamming" the channel
[01:05] <karoline> krangler du ogrebekka el no slikt?
[01:05] <julia> hehe neeh..
[01:05] <Tm_T> yup
[01:06] <Tm_T> Chryseus: moin
[01:06] <Chryseus> o/
[01:07] <karoline> dette var litt snodig...
[01:07] <mads> dere er horer alle sammen
[01:07] <rebekka> mads er homo
[01:07] <karoline> skulle det egentlig vre morsomt?
[01:07] <mads> kjeft a
[01:07] <apokryphos> guys, you can really only use English in this channel :)
[01:07] <karoline> ffer ska je holde kjeft, mads?
[01:08] <apokryphos> there are a list of channels in other languages at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[01:08] <karoline> bl
[01:08] <karoline> dette var grr...
[01:08] <julia> i'm back!
[01:08] <drbreen> wtf language?
[01:08] <karoline> hade
[01:08] <julia> savna meg?
[01:08] <apokryphos> julia: English only in here
[01:08] <mrmist> julia: dette er ingen norsk kanal. Hvem har gitt dere beskjed om  komme hit ??
[01:09] <apokryphos> mrmist: you too
[01:09] <mrmist> apokryphos: I'm just trying to figure out why all these guys are hwew
[01:09] <mrmist> apokryphos: here...
[01:10] <twosouls82> apokryphos: mrmist tries to convice them of doing normal, I believe
[01:10] <Tm_T> sounds good
[01:10] <apokryphos> mrmist: fine and dandy, but this is an English speaking channel.  I've said maybe 100 sentences in english, and ONE in norwegian... I'm a good guy trying to help
[01:11] <apokryphos> :)
[01:11] <vge> drama at #kubuntu
[01:11] <mrmist> hehe
[01:11] <Tm_T> Chryseus: me too, me too
[01:11] <mrmist> I'm actually here to get some answers om some ALSA stuff...
[01:11] <apokryphos> mrmist: ask away, and we'll see if we can help :)
[01:12] <mrmist> I've allready tried...
[01:12] <apokryphos> though you might find #ubuntu often more helpful with non-kde-related issues
[01:12] <Tm_T> mrmist: what was it?
[01:12] <mrmist> I need to route the main output on my soundcard to the "backgroud speaker" output
[01:12] <Tm_T> mrmist: aah, sounds interesting
[01:13] <kosh> I am a bad guy trying to get my ship finished to destroy the earth
[01:13] <mrmist> Hehe
[01:13] <Tm_T> mrmist: wait a second
[01:13] <johannesogine> heisann
[01:13] <_paavo> er julia der
[01:13] <mrmist> Tm_T: sure :)
[01:13] <kosh> just wanted to say that since so many of you said you are good guys
[01:13] <Tm_T> :)
[01:13] <apokryphos> too quick :P
[01:14] <mrmist> kosh: Just had to make a point... I was trying to be nice, but got smacked...
[01:14] <Tm_T> oh, I love this tickle of power in my fingertips
[01:14] <mrmist> Hehe
[01:15] <vge>  http://pastebin.com/641730 <-- does that mean im using wrong patch version to patch my kernel?
[01:15] <mrmist> vge: sorry... don't know anything about what you're doing..
[01:16] <vge> patching kernel
[01:16] <vge> and neather do i :P
[01:17] <mads> julia er hore
[01:18] <vge> popcorn and 3dglasses
[01:18] <Den> Hi - is there a KDE GUI'd firewall tool?
[01:18] <kosh> vge: what that says is that the patch you have won't apply against the source code that you have
[01:18] <kosh> vge: I think this could take you a very long time to help you with that
[01:18] <mrmist> apokryphos: mads is blabbing on in norwegian aga... ah... kicked him
[01:18] <Tm_T> mrmist: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix
[01:19] <Tm_T> mrmist: gentoo has damn good documentation to general issues :)
[01:19] <mrmist> apokryphos: To be precize, I tried to get some info on who had made all these norwegian pupuls join #kubuntu...
[01:19] <vge> guess im on my own then
[01:19] <mrmist> Hmm... never tried gentoo actually...
[01:19] <mrmist> is it a good distro ?
[01:19] <apokryphos> gentoo is bad, but its documentation is often good 8)
[01:19] <Tm_T> mrmist: goodif you like to break everything by yourself
[01:20] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yup
[01:20] <kosh> gentoo reflects yourself
[01:20] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[01:20] <mrmist> ah.. hehe
[01:20] <apokryphos> or how much time you have
[01:20] <kosh> if you suck at unixes it will suck, if you are good at unixes then it will be good
[01:20] <kosh> hence most people have problems with it ;)
[01:20] <mrmist> Guess I'm "getting there"... been using Unix/Linux for a while now
[01:21] <mrmist> But I'm rather satisfied with Kubuntu though
[01:21] <kosh> I don't use it for other reasons
[01:21] <apokryphos> from my experience it's more how/how-much you use it rather thanthe length
[01:21] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yup
[01:21] <apokryphos> if you play a lot with it, try out new things, and are generally a little adventurous you learn a *lot* about GNU/Linux
[01:21] <apokryphos> mrmist: good to hear :). Where were you before?
[01:22] <kosh> I have considered using gentoo but my main reason for using debian based systems is that it is easier to make sure the software I write will work when deployed
[01:22] <mrmist> apokryphos: what do you mean ?
[01:22] <apokryphos> mrmist: distribution-wise
[01:22] <mrmist> apokryphos: Ah... started with ubuntu
[01:22] <apokryphos> oh ok
[01:23] <mrmist> apokryphos: So it wasn't really a long walk :P
[01:23] <apokryphos> indeed; kde is the way 8)
[01:23] <mrmist> allthough my first experience with linux was using a SUN-machine
[01:23] <mrmist> er... or rather Unix
[01:24] <apokryphos> Solaris?
[01:24] <mrmist> yep
[01:24] <apokryphos> how was it?
[01:24] <apokryphos> almost tried it out a few months ago when they went free, but haven't just yet
[01:24] <mrmist> it's OK... I was just scripting PERL though
[01:24] <mrmist> still am actually
[01:24] <mrmist> got a huge ORACLE server on it too
[01:25] <apokryphos> started on Mandrake for a bit, then to Fedora, then briefly to SuSE and Debian before going to Kubuntu for a long time, and now  SuSE :)
[01:25] <mrmist> Why SuSE ?
[01:26] <apokryphos> mrmist: the polish, the professional finish, stability, yast, and extra goodies/patches =)
[01:26] <Tm_T> apokryphos: those are reasons why I don't touch to suse
[01:26] <mrmist> hmm... never tried it actually
[01:26] <apokryphos> Tm_T: you don't like polish? ;-)
[01:26] <Tm_T> apokryphos: crippled KDE and all, because of polishing
[01:27] <apokryphos> not at all :)
[01:27] <Tm_T> it is
[01:27] <Tm_T> from my point of view anyway
[01:27] <mrmist> How is it as a software-developing platform ?
[01:27] <apokryphos> they're always subtle little patches, like KDM, or the K-menu, or small things in Kopete
[01:27] <apokryphos> very nice
[01:28] <apokryphos> Tm_T: any examples? I was quite against suse before too on similar grounds, but trying it out I find that my arguments against it generally crumble away. Needless to say, I also agree quite strongly with their mission plan and Novell's nice association with it :)
[01:28] <apokryphos> mrmist: very decent I presume (many KDE developers use SuSE, at least), but I wouldn't be able to tell you first-hand. I don't develop.
[01:29] <l3m> kde is very nice to develop for
[01:29] <Tm_T> apokryphos: well, I have in Kubuntu selfcompiled kicker, kwin, koffice etc etc... and I'm pretty sure I have to compile more in suse
[01:29] <l3m> nice, clean apis and good documentation
[01:29] <mrmist> yep... but KDE isn't plattform-independent
[01:29] <Tm_T> apokryphos: never tried myself, but what I've heard from longterm suse users
[01:29] <apokryphos> perhaps. Well this is coming from a longterm Kubuntu user ;-)
[01:29] <Tm_T> =)
[01:30] <apokryphos> Tm_T: to be sure, it's not perfect by any means. The package management annoys me a little after getting used to the debian way
[01:30] <apokryphos> but mostly it's getting used to different things (I see no advantage of .deb to rpm), but I do like apt's pace
[01:31] <apokryphos> suse's yast installer definitely has the most superior GUI installer, but it's hard to beat apt on the CLI ;-)
[01:31] <apokryphos> package management is probably going to be the biggest development though in 10.1 now, they're saying. They're changing some fundamental issues. :P  /me will now stop ranting on it :P
[01:32] <apokryphos> Then again, the new adept installer is very sweet. Tried it out the other day
[01:32] <apokryphos> still dual-booting with kubuntu and suse :P. Funny how perfect it can work with /home on the same partition and just a few symlinks between the different users.
[01:32] <mrmist> adept is really the same as       apt though.. just wrapped in a OK gui
[01:33] <mrmist> hmm.. I'm dual-booting with XP
[01:33] <apokryphos> mrmist: talking about the adept in dapper. There's a new simplified installer. Very nice.
[01:33] <apokryphos> mrmist: realised when I got to Uni that I probably don't need it anymore, and alas... I haven't needed it once yet :)
[01:34] <mrmist> I don't need it either... but if I want to watch a DVD f.eks. it's just... simpler
[01:34] <apokryphos> mrmist: there http://blog.mornfall.net/
[01:34] <mrmist> or If I'd like to play Elder Scrolls :P
[01:35] <vge> i got another coputer for that gaming ;)
[01:35] <apokryphos> watch a DVD? Works fine in Kubuntu....
[01:35] <mrmist> :P
[01:35] <mrmist> hmm
[01:36] <mrmist> it's a pain to set it up
[01:36] <mrmist> I've had problems with more than a few DVD's
[01:36] <mornfall> dvd... what's that? :]
[01:36] <apokryphos> mrmist: it should be as easy as...
[01:36] <apokryphos> !dvd
[01:36] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[01:36] <mrmist> I've downloaded and installed libdvdcss2
[01:36] <vge> is <IP_ADDRESS> same as fully patched patch-2.6.16-rc6.gz?
[01:36] <apokryphos> and you still experience problems?
[01:36] <mrmist> yep
[01:37] <mrmist> let me try here...
[01:38] <mrmist> Ok... so I'm trying with a region 2 LOTR extended now...
[01:39] <apokryphos> mrmist: try with kaffeine and/or vlc
[01:39] <mornfall> gaming? there's gaming outside freeciv and wesnoth?
[01:39] <mrmist> apokryphos: tried both
[01:39] <apokryphos> what's the error?
[01:39] <mornfall> vlc is a bit unstable for my taste
[01:39] <mrmist> vlc now...
[01:39] <mornfall> and kaffeine, umm
[01:39] <mornfall> let's forget kaffeine :)
[01:39] <apokryphos> kaffeine is goood 8)
[01:40] <Tm_T> caffeine is good
[01:40] <apokryphos> never had instability with vlc, but I have had ugliness :P
[01:40] <mrmist> trying to start kaffeine now
[01:40] <Tm_T> but KMPlayer is my video player
[01:40] <mrmist> it just hangs
[01:40] <mornfall> kaffeine is ugliness incarnate
[01:40] <apokryphos> doesn't bother me much considering I never have to see it for more than 4 seconds
[01:41] <Tm_T> =)
[01:41] <l3m> mplayer is best imho
[01:41] <mornfall> mplayer tends to segfault too :|
[01:41] <mornfall> but it's usually first thing i try yes
[01:41] <mrmist> It's just a LOT of noisee!!!
[01:41] <mrmist> Mplayer
[01:41] <mrmist> argh
[01:41] <apokryphos> haven't used mplayer in years
[01:41] <l3m> noise? mplayer? what?
[01:42] <mornfall> without the '
[01:42] <mrmist> Maybe css2 doesn't work
[01:42] <l3m> apt-get install libdvdcss w32codecs
[01:42] <Tm_T> welcome :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> heya!
[01:42] <mornfall> l3m: you shouldn't need w32codecs to play a fscking dvd
[01:42] <Tm_T> yay!
[01:42] <Hobbsee> there arent 3 of me this time!
[01:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: Clone Wars
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[01:43] <Hobbsee> did you see it earlier?
[01:43] <xanax`> hello
[01:43] <Hobbsee> there were 3, which i ghosted...repeatedly.
[01:43] <mornfall> i haven't seen anything
[01:43] <mornfall> i don't see i don't hear
[01:43] <mrmist> I can see the 8px-squares in the MPg-encoding beging just noizy... like.. 50% of the image is just random noise
[01:44] <Hobbsee> wonder if the latest kernel will work with the compiled ndiswrapper
[01:48] <mrmist> du i need a new repository to get a hold og libdvdcss ??
[01:49] <mrmist> seems I've allready got libdvdcss2 though..