[13:22] <dz0ny> hi
[13:24] <dz0ny> I uploaded package to personal ppa with dput (without errors), but package hasn't appeared yet(in web ui)? why is that?
[13:26] <coolbhavi> dz0ny, link to your app please
[13:30] <dz0ny> https://github.com/dz0ny/lightdm-login-chromeos/tree/dev
[13:31] <coolbhavi> dz0ny, ah I see that you uploaded to a ppa. ppa link pls
[13:37] <dz0ny> coolbhavi: ppa:janez-troha/lightdm-login-chromiumos
[13:38] <dz0ny> https://launchpad.net/~janez-troha/+archive/lightdm-login-chromiumos
[14:06] <coolbhavi> dz0ny, did you get any error mail on upload to lp?
[14:06] <dz0ny> no, jsut that package has been uploaded and that singing was successful
[14:07] <dz0ny> just*
[14:07] <dz0ny> and that ftp transport was used
[14:07] <dz0ny> Successfully uploaded lightdm-login-chromiumos_1.0.dsc to ppa.launchpad.net for ppa.
[14:07] <dz0ny> Successfully uploaded lightdm-login-chromiumos_1.0.tar.gz to ppa.launchpad.net for ppa.
[14:07] <dz0ny> Successfully uploaded lightdm-login-chromiumos_1.0_amd64.deb to ppa.launchpad.net for ppa.
[14:07] <dz0ny> Successfully uploaded lightdm-login-chromiumos_1.0_amd64.changes to ppa.launchpad.net for ppa.
[14:08] <coolbhavi> can you paste the mail contents on a pastebin and paste the link here
[14:09] <dz0ny> coolbhavi: I didn't receive any mail, (checked spam folders etc) and mail address is ok (verified and everything)
[14:10] <coolbhavi> hmm if it isnt uploaded you ll get a rejection mail normally
[14:10] <coolbhavi> from Launchpad PPA
[14:16] <dz0ny> coolbhavi: yep, something must be broken on launchpad side here is paste from dput http://paste.ubuntu.com/1353182/
[14:22] <coolbhavi> dz0ny, you should have recieved a success mail or else get in touch with guys on #launchpad
[14:23] <dz0ny> coolbhavi: thx


[01:30] <lethu> Hello, I am trying to create a link to an executable in the home folder so that it can run system wide
[01:30] <lethu> by just summoning it's name
[01:31] <lethu> so I do "ln -s [executable] [targetname]
[01:31] <lethu> "
[01:31] <lethu> in /usr/sbin
[01:31] <lethu> am I doing it wrong?
[01:33] <DarinMiller> I always forget the order myself.  As per 'man ln': ln -s [target] [link name]
[01:33] <lethu> but it doesn't work for me, when I write the link's name nothing happens
[01:33] <lethu> after making the link
[01:33] <lethu> when I want to run the executable
[01:34] <DarinMiller> your home directory is not in the default path.  To run something that is not in the default path, you must specify the path.
[01:34] <DarinMiller> i.e. /home/lethu/mylink
[01:35] <DarinMiller> or if you pwd is home, use ./mylink
[01:35] <DarinMiller> the dot "." means use current path
[01:35] <DarinMiller> make sense?
[01:36] <DarinMiller> example: ln -s /usr/bin/dolphin d
[01:37] <DarinMiller> to run: ./d
[01:38] <lethu> ah, thanks, got it!
[01:38] <DarinMiller> :) glad to help
[01:38] <lethu> :))
[01:39] <DarinMiller> If you want to make your own directory and include it in the search path, review this page http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-adding-path/
[01:40] <lethu> thanks again!
[01:40] <DarinMiller> Adding your own directory will allow you to run your commands from any dirctory without typing the path.
[01:41] <DarinMiller> anytime
[01:44] <lethu> :)
[01:58] <user|22053> how can I upgrade to kubuntu 16.04 from 14.04?
[02:02] <soee> user|22053: type in konsole: sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:02] <soee> or
[02:02] <soee> !ltsupgrade
[02:04] <user|22053> Is it secure if I try to upgrade manually before July 21st?
[02:05] <soee> should be
[02:06] <user|22053> thank you very much for your help! have a nice day!
[02:18] <Roey> Hello all
[02:19] <Roey> I'm trying to use KDE connect.. I got it working between my laptop and my phone so that I can browse the phone's files through my alptop, but I don't have the same behavior when I try to connect my phone to my desktop computer.  It has bluetooth adaptor too btw.
[02:21] <Dragnslcr> Does KDE Connect work over Bluetooth? I've only used it over WiFi.
[02:44] <yotux> what is a good method of managing gpg keys
[03:10] <Roey> Dragnslcr:  ah
[03:10] <Roey> dunno? I don't know how I am connecting to it.
[03:10] <Roey> I see references to pairing
[03:10] <Roey> so I assume it is using bluetooth?
[03:10] <Roey> I'll ask on #kde
[03:47] <poua> how is kubuntu 16.04 is it better and less buggy with more finished appearance than 15?
[04:58] <sudo__> i have dependency problem with 'kde-window-manager' and when i enter sudo apt-get update it will remove 'kde-window-manager'
[04:58] <goddard> Roey: hex chat?! That is GTK not Qt :D
[04:58] <goddard> jk
[04:58] <sudo__> should i upgrade ?
[04:59] <goddard> sudo__: do you know what that package is?
[04:59] <sudo__> kde-window-manager kde-window-manager-common kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
[04:59] <sudo__>   kubuntu-desktop libgl1-mesa-dri libkdecorations4abi1 libkwinglesutils1
[04:59] <sudo__>   libkwinglutils1abi3 libtaskmanager4abi5 plasma-dataengines-workspace
[04:59] <sudo__>   plasma-desktop plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace
[04:59] <teo_> Just wanted to say thank you to the people who give out the support in here. You guys are great :D
[04:59] <sudo__> these packages will be removed
[05:00] <sudo__> thats the Windows Manager i guess.
[05:01] <goddard> what are you trying to do?
[05:01] <sudo__> i am trying to install leafpad
[05:01] <sudo__> but it gaves me dependecy problem
[05:01] <sudo__> nd when i type  apt-get -f install
[05:02] <sudo__> it ask me to remove all those packages i listed
[05:04] <sudo__> ?
[05:04] <goddard> sudo__: one sec
[05:04] <sudo__> sure.
[05:04] <goddard> sudo__: your on 16.04?
[05:05] <sudo__> 14.04.2
[05:06] <goddard> Any reason you haven't upgraded to 14.04.4?
[05:06] <goddard> or rather updated
[05:07] <sudo__> That's not stable in my machine. It's automatic Frezzes sometimes.
[05:07] <goddard> sudo__: ahh I assume you want leafpad a GTK app over a QT editor for some reason?
[05:08] <sudo__> i can't install leafpad , pluma , gedit
[05:08] <sudo__> none of them
[05:08] <goddard> sudo__: how about kate
[05:08] <goddard> ?
[05:08] <goddard> do you have kate?
[05:08] <sudo__> kate is inbilt
[05:08] <sudo__> yes i have it
[05:09] <sudo__> but why can't i install leafpad ?
[05:09] <goddard> http://paste.kde.org
[05:09] <goddard> can you pass the exact command and output
[05:10] <sudo__> sure.
[05:11] <sudo__> here
[05:11] <sudo__> https://paste.kde.org/p0wxde93x
[05:13] <sudo__> 2nd one (when i type 'sudo apt-get -f install' )
[05:13] <sudo__> https://paste.kde.org/pleo3vkbq
[05:18] <goddard> sudo__: i don't think your problem is leafpad
[05:18] <goddard> your system is screwed up from the looks of it
[05:18] <sudo__> LOl. i just installed it.
[05:19] <goddard> odd
[05:19] <goddard> what have you done so far?
[05:19] <sudo__> Nothing much
[05:19] <sudo__> installed docky ...
[05:19] <sudo__> that's it
[05:20] <goddard> ppa?
[05:20] <sudo__> no.. i have not installed any other repositiory
[11:15] <Smurphy> Just got my 120GB SSD Drive. Guess we'll know later if installing LUbuntu 64Bit on a Mac min 2,1 will work as I would like to.
[11:18] <Dragnslcr> Roey- yeah, that's a bit confusing that it uses the term "pair". It should work with any computer on the same local network. I use it with my desktop that's on a wired connection to the router.
[11:29] <sukant> Is it safe to use Ubuntu SoftwareCenter in Kubuntu ?
[11:32] <sukant> ????
[11:33] <lethu> yes but it's an ugly practice
[11:33] <lethu> as it uses gtk
[11:33] <lethu> and kde is qt
[11:34] <sukant> muon is not working
[11:34] <sukant> it says authentication not provided
[11:34] <sukant> i also tried to run it as root
[11:37] <lethu> try Synaptic
[11:37] <lethu> it should be better than both
[11:37] <lethu> and doesn't have gtk dependencies iirc
[11:41] <sukant> Synaptic is also GTK based
[12:30] <Smurphy> Amazing. I managed to boot KUbuntu 64 on my mac-mini 2,1 which uses an 32Bit EFI ... *rofl*
[12:30] <Smurphy> let's see how the installation goes (Just had replaced the Disk drive with a 120GB SSD).,
[12:33] <tytan> Smurphy: Let me know if it works out of the box, pleas
[12:35] <tytan> I have a MacBook Pro 2012 13" non retina and I plan to install a linux based OS on it when apple stops to support it with their OS
[12:38] <Smurphy> tytan: That one should not have an issue. I am running KUbuntu on a macmin 6,2 (2012) without an issue for ages now.
[12:38] <tytan> Did you do anything special or did you just install it like on any other PC?
[12:39] <Smurphy> The problem with the 2007 macmini 2,1 is that it has a 32Bit EFI running on 64Bit hardware.  Take a USB stick, downlado the ISO image, put the stick into your Mac and hold the Option key down while rebooting.
[12:39] <Smurphy> Tell it to boot Kubuntu and "try" it out.
[12:49] <tytan> Well, that works like a charm
[12:52] <johnhoffmann> ae ]
[12:52] <johnhoffmann> ae
[12:52] <johnhoffmann> galera
[12:52] <johnhoffmann> bom dia
[12:52] <johnhoffmann> alguem de recife
[12:53] <johnhoffmann> brasil pernambuco recife
[12:54] <Pici> !br
[12:54] <Pici> :(
[13:05] <tytan> I don't understand anything :'D
[13:25] <s000m225> whois
[14:09] <Kruzer> Hello all
[14:10] <soee_> hiho
[14:13] <Smurphy> johnhoffmann; ola. O meu portugues no e bom - pero percebo un poco :}
[14:14] <Kruzer> Hi soee  whats up?
[14:15] <abhigenie92> hi guys!
[14:17] <Kruzer> Hi abhigenie
[14:19] <Kruzer> Just trying out my new NAS  muahahaha
[14:25] <matthieu_> hello
[14:25] <soee_> hiho
 Hi there
[14:27] <abhigenie92> I was facing a minor issue with kubuntu 16.04. Posting:
[14:28] <abhigenie92> I was trying to install kubuntu 16.04 on laptop with dual boot which currently runs windows 10. Two problems I encountered: 1. On booting I select start Kubuntu it shows me this(http://imgur.com/8ttdpjk) and boots normally. Should I be worried about this? 2. It shows no setup screen like try kubuntu or install kubuntu. But on desktop it shows install kubuntu icon which opens the setup screen, should I install via this?
[14:29] <matthieu_> abhidenie92, no need to worry about the weird screen and yes you should install Kubuntu via the icon on the desktop
[14:30] <matthieu_> I am experiencing this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1530523
[14:30] <abhigenie92> matthieu_: thanks, mate!
[14:30] <matthieu_> abhigenie92 no problem! :)
[14:35] <abhigenie92> I was using kubuntu 15.10 with intel gpu and it worked awesome. I am trying to install on other laptop which has NVIDIA GeForce 940M (4 GB DDR3L dedicated). Should I install any additional drivers?
[14:35] <abhigenie92> Complete specs: http://www.hpshopping.in/HP_Pavilion_Notebook_-_15-ab549tx#specs_info
[14:38] <habits> Abhigenie, yes, you can additionally install the NVIDIA drivers. It is not mandatory of course, but you might need using the GeForce if you are playing some games.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:52] <abhigenie92> I am in a grave problem. I was installing kubuntu 16.04. I closed the lid, login screen come up. It is asking password, when I enter it. It shows Unlocking failed.
[14:52] <abhigenie92> I was at 75%, how screwed am I?
[14:52] <soee> capslock active and wrong pass ?
[14:53] <soee> ah wait but the message is on black screen?
[14:53] <EvilRoey> hey hey soee
[14:53] <abhigenie92> soee: no the normal login screen
[14:54] <abhigenie92> soee: I suspect if the keyboard layout has something to do with it. I am entering the correct password
[14:54] <soee> abhigenie92: and if you try without password ?
[14:54] <marco-parillo> If you are still installing, then it is not your password yet, correct? The default password during installation is blank, right?
[14:54] <EvilRoey> soee: so get this.. in the interim, I have dolphin open on my laptop, with one pane open to fish:// desktop's music archive folder, and the right panel open to the phone's storage
[14:55] <abhigenie92> marco-parillo: soee yeah that makes sense. But if I leave the field blank and click on Unlock it shows Unlocking failed.
[14:56] <habits> Closing the lid or suspending the system causes me trouble on 16.04 . Sometimes when you wake up the PC after suspending the login screen freezes.
[14:58] <abhigenie92> habits: I am in between in the installation. Forcing a shutdown is something I won't want to try.
[15:02] <abhigenie92> Create Session does nothing.
[15:11] <abhigenie92> any suggestions.
[15:11] <mtn> abhigenie92: if you are in the middle of the install, you can easily start over again
[15:12] <mtn> abhigenie92: and don't close the lid next time ;)
[15:13] <abhigenie92> mtn: it would have created the partition by now.
[15:13] <abhigenie92> that should not be good.
[15:13] <mtn> abhigenie92: ok, how is that a problem?
[15:14] <abhigenie92> mtn it would written the changes to the disk right?
[15:14] <mtn> abhigenie92: you have to create a partition before it will install anyway
[15:14] <mtn> abhigenie92: agian, how is that a problem?
[15:15] <mtn> abhigenie92: simply start over and don't close the lid. let it finish the install
[15:16] <abhigenie92> mtn: Thanks, but is there any other way? what is the default password?
[15:16] <abhigenie92> I have tried kubuntu,ubuntu,kde,toor
[15:16] <mtn> abhigenie92: no idea. why not do as I suggest? what do you have to lose except a bit of time?
[15:17] <abhigenie92> mtn: so I force shutdown and install again.
[15:17] <mtn> abhigenie92: sure, why not?
[15:17] <abhigenie92> it will overwrite the partition earlier?
[15:17] <mtn> abhigenie92: sure
[15:26] <abhigenie92> any suggestions?
[16:31] <vorap2> Hey people. I have a question. I want to use the nvidia drivers but still be able to use my motherboards internal gpu. Is this even possible? I can only have two screens on my graphics card (GTX 460) but I can have 4 more on my internal gpu
[16:32] <vorap2> I basically want to have two monitors on my graphics card and one more on my internal gpi
[16:32] <vorap2> gpu**
[17:09] <Smurphy> Ok. I now have a problem.
[17:09] <Smurphy> I managed to install without too many problems 64Bit Kubuntu 16.04 on my old mac-mini with 32Bit EFI firmware.
[17:10] <Smurphy> But - 5 times out of 6 - after a reboot, WiFi/network manager won't bring the Wireless up.
[17:10] <Smurphy> Any idea ?
[17:10] <lethu> have you checked dmesg?
[17:14] <Smurphy> yes. Says nothing...
[17:15] <Smurphy> Thing is - I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that I isntalled it using ethernet.
[17:15] <Smurphy> The entwork manager does not show the "WiFi" part. No idea why.
[17:19] <Smurphy> Hmmm. restarting the network-manager helps.
[17:19] <Smurphy> The error-message is weird ->
[17:20] <Smurphy> Failed to update connection <SSID>
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Smurphy:  i had a similar problem on my laptop after installing the oS while connected via ethernet. right click on the nm widget "configure network connections" and delete the ethernet connection, the  try connecting via wifi .
[17:20] <Smurphy> connection-gateway-ping-timeout: can not set property: value "30189248" of type "guint" is invalid or out of range for property "gateway-ping-timeout" of type 'guint'
[17:20] <Smurphy> lol
[17:21] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: I can do that -> With deleting the ethernet stuff...
[17:21] <BluesKaj> oh that error , gotta update and upgrade
[17:21] <Smurphy> Already done ...
[17:22] <Smurphy> or - do you mean I have to upgrade plasma ?>
[17:22] <BluesKaj> and try full-upgrade
[17:23] <Smurphy> it is a fresh installation of 16.04 with all updates applied.
[17:23] <Smurphy> full-upgrade won't give me anything.
[17:25] <Smurphy> Ok -m restarting the network mananger fixed it.
[17:25] <Smurphy> Now - last issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767429/ubuntu-16-04-graphics-crashes-with-intel-graphics
[17:26] <Smurphy> OK - my mini is 9 years old - but the X Experience is smooth :D
[17:34] <zealoushacker> Hi folks, question for y’all: I’d like to launch a Kubuntu AMI on AWS.     I mean WTF!?
[18:36] <lethu> in order to play mp3's etc...
[18:37] <johan> lethu? Erm OK....
[18:39] <johan> Why doesn't the Theme work for everything?
[18:40] <lethu> you have to logout login in order for it to be fully applied some times
[18:41] <johan> lethu OK that seems to have worked.
[18:41] <johan> Thank you
[18:41] <lethu> johan:  np :)
[18:42] <johan> How come I often (9% of the time) have to click the K-menu multiple times to display it?
[18:42] <johan> And then it displays on the wrong monitor!?
[18:42] <johan> 99% of the time
[18:42] <johan> Usually I must click 3 times.
[19:12] <Guest73135> i am once again in love with KDE.
[19:14] <hay207__> Hi guys, i have amd/intel hybrid card, amd opensource driver won't recognize the amd card
[19:51] <Quantos> I'm having a problem with my USB wifi dongle
[19:51] <Quantos> KUbuntu 15.10
[19:51] <Quantos> And the dongle doesn't show up on lsusb
[19:52] <mtn> Quantos: if it does not show up on lsusb, then it is not supported by the kernel. perhaps it needs a driver or firmware?
[19:53] <soee> still using 15.10 ?
[19:55] <mtn> Quantos: a newer kernel may help, too. upgrading to 16 seems like a good idea
[19:57] <craiger> so, was it just me or is "apt-get kubuntu desktop" on a stock Xenial install a poor choice?
[19:57] <craiger> installing from kubuntu iso media worked *much* better?
[20:01] <goddard> craiger: it isn't as good as installing kubuntu itself
[20:01] <Quantos> I think it actually died mtn, it's not supported on my backup system too
[20:01] <Quantos> Bummer
[20:01] <Quantos> Thanks for the help though
[20:01] <mtn> Quantos: welcome
[20:02] <Quantos> It seems fishy to me that it was working and then just stopped
[20:02] <Quantos> I think i witnessed my first hardware failure
[20:13] <tulips> i think my kubuntu 16.04  is having trouble fetching updates.... it showed that there were updates available in the new software center and i rebooted and now its not finding updates
[20:13] <tulips> i couldnt load the updates before i rebooted
[20:18] <mtn> tulips: try it using synaptic
[20:22] <tulips> i will... i tried doing it with upgrade and dist-upgrade commands in the terminal
[20:22] <tulips> OHH
[20:22] <tulips> i could try switching servers maybe
[23:44] <user|98853> is there a guide for installing new splash screens for 16.04? I tried installing new desktop themes but it doesn't seem to give me anything other than the default breeze splash screen.


[00:40] <oerheks> spoiler, Ben64  :-D
[00:41] <Ben64> :)
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> dax: can you delete the #ubuntu-touch part from topic here :p
[04:07] <dax> done'd
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate
[06:33] <ducasse> good morning all
[06:39] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :)
[06:50] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:52] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - bright-eyed and bushy-tailed? :)
[06:52] <EriC^^> ducasse: :)
[06:53] <EriC^^> how are you today?
[06:54] <ducasse> almost awake by now :)
[07:12] <EriC^^> :D
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse & EriC^^
[07:20] <ducasse> good morning lotuspsychje :)
[07:20] <ducasse> had breakfast yet? :)
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: just finished :p
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> this morning bath and delivery of w10 laptop
[10:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:01] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj - up this early on a sunday? :*)
[10:03] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, yeah, i went to bed early kast night, so i woke up at 4AM...probly have a nap later this aft
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[10:13] <ducasse> doing some chores here, got to fill the day somehow :)
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: snow still available?
[10:16] <ducasse> yup, but melting a bit today. luna still wants nothing to do with it, though :)
[10:17] <EriC^^> !ping
[10:17] <BluesKaj> gonna be  mild here +10 by tue
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/it-s-official-city-of-munich-is-ditching-linux-and-moves-back-to-windows-518709.shtml
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> uh oh
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> to windows10 lol..
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> thats gonna be much better, safer
[10:20] <ducasse> maybe they shouldn't have tried rolling their own distro...
[10:22] <BluesKaj> from what i read, there was alot mistakes made and also there was pressure and incentives from MS....but they'll regret the change in a yr or 2
[10:23] <lotuspsychje_> ubuntu to the rescue
[10:23] <ducasse> ms is allergic to playing fair, that's well-known
[10:24] <lotuspsychje_> someone promised a good deal
[10:24] <EriC^^> hey all
[10:24] <BluesKaj> fair, hehe their whole philosophy is predatory, fair doen't exist in their vobaulary
[10:24] <BluesKaj> vocabulart eveb
[10:25] <BluesKaj> oops ...need more light
[10:25] <ducasse> "if you buy from us, we give the people who make that decision $100k each"
[10:27] <BluesKaj> I'm sure they'll regret it the regression
[10:29] <ducasse> the problem was the users, aiui
[10:30] <EriC^^> !ping
[10:44] <EriC^^> !ping
[11:16] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, I guess MS is more effective ar herding sheep than Linux
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> sheeple worked
[11:21] <Nokaji> ms's biggest fear would be that a trend was started - it is worth their losing money on any 'deal' to prevent that
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> +1 Nokaji
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> now munich will find out whats real money..it wont stop after 100million
[13:58] <EriC^^> !ping
[14:06] <EriC^^_> just installed ubuntu 17.10 on my spare laptop
[14:07] <EriC^^_> damn alt+tab doesn't have a show desktop?
[14:07] <EriC^^_> alt+space then 'n' doesn't minimize too wth
[16:09] <aloe_v3ra> Good evening
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:32] <EriC^^> eveninig lotuspsychje
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ wb
[17:33] <EriC^^> thx
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> digested your pizza :p
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> we had pancakes & bread after
[17:33] <EriC^^> haha yeah :D
[17:33] <EriC^^> nice
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ready for the new jurassic park
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> comingsoon.com lol
[17:34] <EriC^^> movie?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> http://www.comingsoon.net/trailers
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> juraasic world..something
[17:37] <EriC^^> cool
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you seen anything good lately?
[17:38] <EriC^^> not really
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: that jackie chan movie looks good to me
[17:39] <EriC^^> which one?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> erm some bombing movie in theaters
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> the foreigner
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> 7.2 imdb
[17:41] <EriC^^> ah i saw the thumbnail
[17:41] <EriC^^> wow he looks so old than he used to look
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> im sure they say the same thing about us
[17:42] <EriC^^> reminds me of "collateral" by arnold schwarziniger
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[17:43] <EriC^^> lol no i mean he looks pretty old since his last movies, gray hair etc
[17:43] <EriC^^> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1615160/
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> the commuter seems also nice, with liam neeson
[17:45] <EriC^^> pierce brosnan is in the foreigner movie
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> oh? didnt see
[18:03] <EriC^^> anybody good with dns cname stuff?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> not me :p
[18:06] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, I just use my ISPs dns nameservers in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and it works for my static IP with ifupdown installed instead of using NM
[18:07] <BluesKaj> static settings are in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:08] <EriC^^> it's about a domain, not my own pc BluesKaj
[18:08] <BluesKaj> ahh ok
[18:08] <EriC^^> thx anyways
[18:08] <BluesKaj> heh
[18:13] <ducasse> EriC^^: what's your question?
[18:15] <EriC^^> i got it solved ducasse, thanks anyways :)
[18:16] <ducasse> cname records aren't really very mysterious :)
[18:23] <EriC^^> yeah :)
[18:26] <ducasse> my mikrotik router comes with a ddns service built-in, but the hostname you get consists of a long, impossible-to-remember string, so i set up a cname record for home.mydomain.com to point to it.
[18:33] <EriC^^> that's pretty neat
[18:34] <ducasse> easier to remember, at least
[18:36] <daftykins> that's much the same as i did recently for clients setups
[20:15] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[22:43] <EriC^^> nighty night all
[22:44] <oerheks> :-)
[22:44] <EriC^^> :)
[22:45] <daftykins> \o
[22:45] <daftykins> sleep well
[22:50] <Nokaji> ciao ...


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[12:47] <MrKeuner> hi, which one is the totally free version of Ubuntu?
[12:48] <wsjunior> MrKeuner: Gobuntu
[12:50] <MrKeuner> I guess Gobuntu should be a subset of gutsy is that right? so it is not recommended for production machines as well?
[12:52] <wsjunior> Since July 10th 2007, daily builds of Gobuntu 7.10 are available to the public
[12:52] <wsjunior> MrKeuner: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/gobuntu/daily/current/
[01:01] <MrKeuner> wsjunior: thanks
[01:27] <calc> wsjunior: it may not even be installable yet
[01:27] <calc> wsjunior: ymmv
[01:28] <wsjunior> calc: what are u talking about? ;-)
[01:28] <calc> i know it was supposedly having issues while i was at the sprint last week
[01:28] <calc> gobuntu
[01:28] <wsjunior> uh
[01:29] <wsjunior> ya, maybe.. i haven't tried it yet.. just answered the question of that guy
[01:29] <calc> ok np
[01:30] <wsjunior> i get this after installing fglrx driver (i tried both 8.38.6 from ati and the repository one, the same error with both): http://rafb.net/p/Ty6xOy59.html
[01:30] <wsjunior> any idea?
[01:31] <wsjunior> this is what I got typing: sudo aticonfig --initial
[01:36] <calc> wsjunior: hmm thats not good, but no i don't know anything about fglrx, sorry :)
[01:36] <calc> er :(
[01:38] <eagles0513875> wsjunior: all i know from that is that sommething is causing a panic
[01:39] <wsjunior> hehe
[01:39] <tretle_> anyone got screenlets to work in gutsy?
[01:46] <mrsno> tretle_ screenlets ?
[01:47] <tretle_> yep http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/screenlets/?q=node/14
[01:52] <mrsno> trying tretle_ sorry 1 mo :)
[01:52] <tretle_> cool... thanks
[01:57] <mrsno> tretle_ hmm i get a variety of dbus errors
[01:59] <tretle_> how do u get the errors?
[01:59] <tretle_> I cant get any info at all
[02:00] <tretle_> when i start it from the panel nothing happens and when i try from the terminal I get this
[02:00] <tretle_> tretle@tretle-desktop:~$ screenletsd
[02:00] <tretle_> Screenletsd v0.0.1 | (c) RYX (Rico Pfaus) 2007 | released under the GPL
[02:00] <tretle_> Usage: screenletsd <action> [option(s)]
[02:01] <mrsno> sec pastebin'n
[02:03] <mrsno> http://paste.debian.net/32881
[02:05] <mrsno> searching that dbus error on the website shows On July 5th, 2007 hendrik says:
[02:05] <mrsno> You probably have really new version of dbus-python. You just have to wait until a newer version of screenlets is released (which could take some time).
[02:05] <mrsno> from http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/screenlets/?q=node/44
[02:06] <tretle_> right
[02:06] <tretle_> thanks
[02:07] <mrsno> looks like a cool little app , i will keep an eye out for a gutsy version :)
[02:08] <tretle_> it is nice alright
[02:09] <tretle_> ran it on feisty
[02:09] <tretle_> you can have a hide widget effect similar to dashboard when you use it with compiz fusion
[02:10] <mrsno> nice
[02:12] <tretle_> actually you wouldnt be able to clarify that in places in the panel bar there are duplicate entries?
[02:12] <BFrank> does ubuntu have like a manual that explains how to do common things, like recompiling the kernel, etc?
[02:14] <RoC_MasterMind> BFrank, yes, the wiki.
[02:14] <BFrank> is there a link to that on the ubuntu.org website?
[02:14] <RoC_MasterMind> !wiki > BFrank
[02:14] <RoC_MasterMind> See private message?
[02:14] <mrsno> tretle_ i just purged my gutsy virtual install so can't check right now
[02:14] <mrsno> downloading today's daily for a fresh install
[02:15] <tretle_> righto
[02:15] <mrsno> duplicate entries? how so
[02:15] <RoC_MasterMind> BFrank, but a more general thing is this: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/
[02:16] <RoC_MasterMind> BFrank, also ubuntuguide.org for your quoted "common things"
[02:16] <BFrank> strange that the wiki isn't more prominently displayed on wiki.com
[02:16] <BFrank> err, ubuntu.com
[02:16] <RoC_MasterMind> indeed
[02:19] <mrsno> the wiki redirects searches to help.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <mrsno> which i believe is linked on ubuntu.com, but i would agree with it being sort out of the way
[02:19] <tretle_> 2 documents and two desktops
[02:19] <tretle_> in the places part of the panel
[02:20] <mrsno> tretle_ can you upload a pic
[02:20] <tretle_> where?
[02:21] <mrsno> tinypic.com/imgplace.com or wherever :)
[02:23] <tretle_> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4ue0gba
[02:24] <mrsno> hmm im not sure i remember seeing anything strange
[02:24] <mrsno> ill know in 15mins :)
[02:25] <mrsno> im assuming clicking either desktop/documents link takes you to the correct place?
[02:26] <tretle_> yep
[03:28] <mrsno> tretle_ i do indeed have duplicates :)
[03:29] <mrsno> on the livecd for amd64
[03:29] <mrsno> bug 112602
[03:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112602 in gcc-2.95 "I cant use my c compiler using a live cd.I dont know where it is." [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112602
[03:29] <mrsno> err whoops
[03:30] <mrsno> bug 122602
[03:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122602 in gnome-panel "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122602
[03:58] <forceflow> does anyone know if gutsy is going to have better dual screen support? i really want to start dualing, but i also love my beryl:( and xgl gets quite angry when i try to dual, and ati's dual support really sucks as well
[03:59] <RAOF> If you're reliant on the fglrx drivers, then Gutsy can't help you.  Free drivers will have better dual-screen support.
[03:59] <lamalex> forceflow: what ati card do you ahve?
[04:00] <forceflow> x300
[04:01] <lamalex> a lot of work is being done on X series cards right now for the free driver
[04:01] <RAOF> forceflow: Rejoice, for your card is supported by the free drivers
[04:02] <lamalex> RAOF: 3d as well?
[04:02] <lamalex> last I checked it was not
[04:02] <RAOF> lamalex: Yes.  3D in Feisty, too.
[04:03] <RAOF> !ati
[04:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:03] <RAOF> Bah, wrong factlet.
[04:03] <DanaG> !radeon
[04:03] <DanaG> !r300
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about r300 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <RAOF> ubotu Use the "fglrx" driver if you have a Radeon newer than an X800 or want TV-Out capabilities: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Use the "ati" driver for everything else..
[04:04] <RAOF> There it is.  That's #ubuntu-effects only.
[04:05] <lamalex> thanks
[04:05] <lamalex> hmm maybe i'll switch back from nvidia to my X300
[04:05] <lamalex> although, my 7600GT is definately more powerful
[04:06] <DanaG> *BLINK*
[04:06] <DanaG> *BLINK*
[04:06] <DanaG> (and so on...)
[04:06] <lamalex> mhm
[04:06] <RAOF> Yeah.    Oh, and breaking resume-from-suspend with compiz
[04:06] <DanaG> I actually have resume working.
[04:07] <DanaG> I had to edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[04:07] <DanaG> to set a few things.  Let me dig them up.
[04:07] <RAOF> DanaG: With compiz?  Because I tried what you did, and it still broke
[04:07] <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=false # was true            POST_VIDEO=false # was true               SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true
[04:07] <RAOF> Yup.  Got that.
[04:08] <DanaG> Oh, and I have now gone back to nvagp not set to anything specific, and I have un-blacklisted agpgart and intel-agp.
[04:08] <RAOF> Maybe that fixes the 100 series drivers, but not the 9 series.
[04:08] <DanaG> Aah.
[04:12] <DanaG> I remember that release notes for 100-series say stuff about fixing console restoration.
[04:13] <RAOF> Yeah
[05:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New]
[05:07] <DanaG> I'm somewhat surprised there haven't been any more responses.
[05:12] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah.  Someone needs to triage it, but I'm not really sure how to.  Maybe you could pipe up in #ubuntu-bugs about it?
[05:33] <Kain> How do you upgrade from feisty using command line? 'do-release-upgrade -d' will not work(as I assumed)? I have no gui.
[05:33] <Dana1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/121895
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121895 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager systray right-click and left-click behaviors have swapped places" [Undecided,New]
[05:34] <Dana1> Hmm, what's the process for saying, "I second that!", in a way?
[05:49] <DanaG> !telepathy
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about telepathy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <DanaG> !info galago
[05:52] <ubotu> Package galago does not exist in gutsy
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[06:01] <RAOF> Kain: "sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/ /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should work, but I strongly recommend against it unless you've got local access.
[06:02] <RAOF> DanaG: What are you after?  I've recently tried telepathy
[06:02] <DanaG> I'm just curious what it is.
[06:02] <DanaG> I'm trying to find a voice-chat app to use under Linux.
[06:02] <RAOF> Ah.  It's an IM/VoIP/Webcam framework
[06:03] <RAOF> Basically, if you want to communicate with someone else over the internet, it wants to help you :)
[06:04] <DanaG> I wish there were support for voice over the AIM or Yahoo protocols.
[06:04] <DanaG> Or at least however Google does their stuff.
[06:05] <RAOF> Telepathy should do Jingle (VoIP with XMMP, which is what Google uses I believe)
[06:06] <DanaG> What UI apps are there?
[06:06] <DanaG> "Empathy" doesn't seem to remember accounts.
[06:06] <Kain> um jabbin?
[06:06] <RAOF> I'm not sure if there are any Telepathy _clients_ that will export that functionality, though :/
[06:06] <RAOF> DanaG: Empathy worked for me (tm)
[06:06] <RAOF> Although it was kinda basic
[06:07] <DanaG> Perhaps it's because I was also trying another client at the same time, and they were clashing.
[06:07] <RAOF> Eh, maybe?
[06:08] <DanaG> Nope, doesn't save.
[06:08] <DanaG> ** (empathy:21341): DEBUG: check_for_accounts: No enabled accounts
[06:09] <RAOF> Odd.  Try running mission-control first?
[06:09] <DanaG> OOpsie, I should've thought of that.
[06:09] <DanaG> ** (empathy:21341): DEBUG: mission_control_get_presence_actual: MC not running.
[06:10] <DanaG> ** (process:21512): DEBUG: Could not open plugin directory: Error opening directory '/usr/lib/mission-control': No such file or directory
[06:11] <DanaG> aah, that was just a warning.
[06:12] <RAOF> Do you actually have mission-control installed?
[06:12] <RAOF> My empathy worked without it running, anyway
[06:13] <DanaG> Yeah, now that I ran mission-control (detached from console), empathy works.
[06:13] <DanaG> However, it lacks voice functionality.
[06:14] <DanaG> Bummer.
[06:17] <RAOF> Yeah
[06:19] <DanaG> And Teamspeak needs a server.
[06:26] <DanaG> I wonder if there's a way to use PulseAudio for voice chat.
[06:26] <DanaG> Er, I'd imagine there is a way, but I don't know how to do it.
[06:34] <DanaG> Dang, are there no good voice-chat apps, then?
[06:34] <DanaG> I don't want to have to have my friends create new accounts on new sites.
[06:35] <RAOF> DanaG: There's skype and ekiga, pretty much
[06:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't tried ekiga.  I hope it's not 'fugly' like Skype.
[06:38] <RAOF> Installed by default
[06:38] <DanaG> Cool.
[06:38] <RAOF> The replacement for gnome-netmeeting
[06:44] <DanaG> Okay, now to get it to use pulseaudio....
[06:44] <RAOF> Ekiga?  It should by default
[06:45] <RAOF> Or haven't you set alsa to use pulse?
[06:45] <DanaG> I leave most stuff to default directly to the onboard audio device.
[06:45] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll try that, though.
[06:50] <DanaG> ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
[06:51] <calc> gizmo works great
[06:52] <DanaG> gizmo?
[06:52] <calc> gizmoproject.org
[06:52] <calc> and grandcentral (google's new baby) can terminate to gizmoproject for free
[06:52] <calc> so you only pay $0.02/min for US calls and free inbound
[06:55] <DanaG> ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
[06:55] <DanaG> when I try to test sound events.
[07:04] <RAOF> Well, that's something good to know.  You can install Gutsy from a USB stick :)
[07:04] <Jordan_U> Anyone running Gutsy with Desktop Effects working want to test something for me ( see if VNC is still broken ) ?
[07:05] <DanaG> Oh yay, that worked.
[07:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I wonder why there's an <OLD PCM> and <Old Mic> entry in Alsamixer....
[07:06] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Gutsy is insulting your ancient hardware :)
[07:07] <DanaG> Ancient?  It's a cardbus Audigy.  Is that ancient?  (yeah, that was a joke.)
[07:21] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Do you have Desktop Effects working?
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have compiz-fusion, but not through the desktop-effects panel.
[07:25] <DanaG> I just run it manually after my session starts.
[07:25] <DanaG> I also use compizconfig-settings-manager.
[07:26] <bur[n] e1> dana's hip :)  I'm lovin fusion, i think hte 3d plugin is missing though
[07:26] <RAOF> Not so much missing as unfinished
[07:27] <bur[n] e1> either way, it's still rockin pretty hard.  the cube reflection is neat and I like the new default transitions
[07:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, does ekiga use UPnP?
[07:31] <DanaG> I love the extra-wavy magic lamp -- it looks far better than Apple's nonwavy one, in my opinion.
[07:31] <DanaG> It reminds me of slurping on a noodle.
[07:42] <DanaG> That's what's so great about it: you can set it to many different animations.
[07:42] <DanaG> With Vista, it's fixed.  MS way or the highway.
[07:45] <RoC_MasterMind> Actually I'd say Vista is rather unfixed.
[07:45] <DanaG> Right, good catch of wording.
[07:45] <DanaG> It's broken and locked.
[07:46] <DanaG> I beta-tested Vista, and all I got was a free copy of Ultimate -- and it's still buggy!
[07:47] <RoC_MasterMind> It's not ready for the desktop yet.
[07:47] <bur[n] e1> not even close
[07:47] <RoC_MasterMind> That's my favorite one
[07:47] <bur[n] e1> ms has some neat points though... I like the copy file dialog in vista compared to both XP and nautilus
[07:48] <RoC_MasterMind> Like slow?
[07:48] <bur[n] e1> it gives you time estimate and # of files done and pending similar to a web browser download
[07:48] <RoC_MasterMind> oh
[07:48] <bur[n] e1> nautilus says 1 of 5, 4 of 5, etc, but it doesn't give a time
[07:48] <RoC_MasterMind> I heard it will sit there for two minutes when you empty the recycle bin...calculates the time remaining for two minutes, and then it takes 1 second to delete the files.
[07:49] <bur[n] e1> lol
[07:49] <RoC_MasterMind> Not the best way to do that.
[07:49] <bur[n] e1> no, however, gnome could do it right :)
[07:49] <RoC_MasterMind> They guy said he didn't even get to see it's wonderful estimate that it had sat there thinking over.
[07:51] <RoC_MasterMind> is that new?
[07:51] <RoC_MasterMind> mine deletes files so fast i never get the chance to wait
[07:52] <DanaG> Perhaps it depends on IDE drivers, or something.
[07:52] <DanaG> I know if I install Intel's AHCI drivers, write caching is disabled.    In most Linux distros, you can just purge and reinstall the relevant packages.
[07:54] <DanaG> Oh, and don't forget:
[07:54] <DanaG> The display driver nvlddmkm.sys stopped responding and was successfully restarted.
[07:55] <bur[n] e1> RAOF: no lie?
[07:56] <bur[n] e1> RAOF: maybe it's smb connections that it doesnt?
[07:56] <RAOF> That's possible
[07:57] <DanaG> I mean, in artwork.
[07:57] <DanaG> Grub->bootsplash->{gdm,kdm}->{gnome,kde} -- it all matches.
[07:58] <DanaG> Though I don't like blue -- it's overused, in my opinion.  I like the Ubuntu orange, or even Gentoo purple.
[07:59] <DanaG> Argh, I find that white on black hurts my eyes.
[07:59] <bur[n] e1> the linuxmint green is nice!
[08:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New]
[09:11] <Jordan_U> Anyone running Gutsy with Desktop Effects working want to test something for me ( see if VNC is still broken ) ?
[09:12] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: it is
[09:19] <Jordan_U> :(
[09:19] <Jordan_U> Amaranth, I know it is set to a high priority but what do you think are the chances that this will be fixed by release?
[09:20] <Amaranth> slim to none
[09:20] <Amaranth> except for making vnc just refuse to work at all when compiz is running
[11:34] <amjad_> on my laptop the tribe 2 CD has trouble with the tty interface while booting up, anybody knows how to solve it?
[12:21] <eagles0513875> !ru |zrg
[12:21] <ubotu> zrg:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:21] <eagles0513875> anyone up for helpign me debug a problem
[12:22] <zrg> eagles0513875, that was an /ame, never mind ;)
[12:22] <eagles0513875> lol sry
[12:22] <eagles0513875> zrg: could u help me debug some issues im having
[12:23] <zrg> no, because i have to go to Latvian IOI team training
[12:23] <eagles0513875> kool
[12:23] <eagles0513875> have fun
[12:23] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me debug a problem im having
[12:42] <nysosym> hi there, i have installed gutsy tribe 2 with all recent updates, but now my desktop doesn't load correctly, with more precession, after login the desktop shows only the cursor and the background color. Known bug and any workaround?
[12:46] <nysosym> no idea?
[01:44] <Jaghound> initramfs broke for me after apt today; no /dev/disk/by-uuid found
[01:45] <Jaghound> luckily root=/dev/hda1 worked, and after boot the dir was there
[01:45] <Jaghound> something fishy with udev?
[01:49] <databuddy> so getting a shiney new machine :>
[01:50] <starz> pentium d925 2gigs ram keeping agp nvidia 6200 256mb vid card etc
[02:24] <mrsno> anyone tried gnash? causes X to restart :-)
[05:58] <rjek> Greetings.  I have a ThinkPad X61t, with an IPW3495 wireless controller.  This works a treat in Fiesty, but for various reasons I need to run 2.6.22 (power management's awful on Santa Rosa stuff with .20).  I backported Gutsy's 2.6.22-8.  Everything works a treat bar the wireless, as the packages don't include the firmware or the kernel module.
[05:58] <rjek> What can I do?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> backport the restricted modules and such too?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> if you're on a backporting spreee
[05:59] <rjek> Done that.
[05:59] <rjek> It doesn't include the drivers or the firmware.
[06:01] <rjek> Also, I've tried a fresh install from Tribe 2, but that doesn't drive my wireless either.
[06:04] <kylem> rjek, linux-ubuntu-modules.
[06:04] <kylem> rjek, you want to install those as well.
[06:04] <rjek> Right, OK.
[06:04] <rjek> Any idea why it still didn't work with tribe 2, then?
[06:05] <kylem> no.
[06:05] <rjek> I'll give that a shot.  Ta.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hiya kylem
[06:10] <rjek> kylem: Woo, it works.  Thanks.
[06:10] <rjek> Now all I've got to get working is the touchpad :)
[06:10] <rjek> s/pad/screen/
[06:10] <rjek> I think I'm going to have to wait until gutsy for the accerlated graphics driver and screen rotation though.
[06:13] <hansin321> Where does one make a package request/change for Gutsy?  I see Gutsy still uses 'centericq', but I think the good work going forward will be with the fork 'centerim'.  At least that is my interpretation.
[06:13] <kylem> rjek, please keep me posted on the touchscreen.
[06:14] <kylem> i know someone who'd be interested in the progress with that.
[06:14] <rjek> Is centerim not packaged in addition to centericq?
[06:14] <rjek> kylem: I'm at a bit of a dead end.  I know it's a WACOM, but that's it.  There seems to be several different ways that WACOM touchscreens connect.
[06:14] <rjek> Some are serial, some are serial over USB, and others are freaky thing over USB.
[06:15] <rjek> I can't get any life out of it at all
[06:15] <Kinnison> s'annoying 'cos my wacom just shows up as /dev/input/wacom and works
[06:16] <hansin321> BTW, I made a sort of negative comment on the boot splash screen for Ubuntu a little while back.  On closer look, the current version looks pretty sharp.  I suppose I was thinking back to the older version.  Anyway, it looks pretty good, and current boot time in Gutsy seems pretty fast.
[06:16] <hansin321> Is Gutsy moving more and more stuff into Upstart (and hence the faster boot times)?
[06:17] <Zapek> a shame the progress bar is not centered
[06:17] <rjek> Ah, I also have to get my sound working.
[06:17] <rjek> That doesn't yet.
[06:17] <rjek> (ICH8 Intel HD Audio with an Analog Devices 1984HD codec)
[06:17] <hansin321> Zapek: I didn't notice that, but I'll check it out.  Boots fast though I think.
[06:18] <Zapek> hansin321: well, it only happens on my laptop. 1920 pixels wide screen
[06:19] <hansin321> Zapek: Ah, that makes senses.
[06:26] <eagles0513875> anyone up for helping me wiht some bug hunting
[06:29] <hwilde> I have a minimal system installed on a 2G flashcard, and I want to dist-upgrade.  Is there a way to upgrade only the existing packages?   If I run apt-get dist-upgrade it runs out of diskspace installing unnecessary packages.
[06:29] <eagles0513875> dude did u change the repositories
[06:29] <eagles0513875> what version u distupgradig from and to
[06:29] <hwilde> I mean upgrade ONLY what is currently there and nothing else - I have very limited diskspace
[06:30] <Hobbsee> dont use the update-manager for it then, use apt
[06:30] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: u r up rather late
[06:30] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:30] <hwilde> I did apt-get dist-upgrade and it went from 1.5G to 2.7G
[06:30] <rjek> Also make sure you don't have something like ubuntu-desktop installed, which may pull in loads of other stuff.
[06:30] <hwilde> but it installed all sorts of stuff that I don't want
[06:30] <eagles0513875> the do sudo apt-get autoclean
[06:31] <hwilde> the problem is I don't have 2.7G to work with, only 2.0
[06:31] <hwilde> but I have it down to 1.5G now
[06:32] <hwilde> :/
[06:32] <eagles0513875> hwilde: u trying to do something along the lines of solid state
[06:32] <hwilde> am I ?
[06:33] <hwilde> example: I have gnome and open-office completely removed, but dist-upgrade installs them again.
[06:33] <eagles0513875> someone told me that there r certain types of compact flash cards used for solid state
[06:33] <eagles0513875> hwilde: dont do dist upgrade just do upgrade
[06:33] <rjek> Apparently, my touchscreen is a HID device attached the the LPC Interface Controller.  wtf is LPC?
[06:34] <hwilde> just upgrade does not upgrade the kernel...  and yes I am using a 2G compact flash from silicon systems
[06:35] <hwilde> I have the upgrade done on a harddrive, but I cannot resize the partition down to 2G to ghost to the flashcard
[06:36] <hwilde> only 1.5G are used, but parted and gparted and qtparted will not resize bc it says error about features
[06:37] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/91554
[06:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91554 in parted "[Feisty]  parted can't resize ext3 partition created by installer  (dup-of: 59620)" [Undecided,New]
[06:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59620 in parted "This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout (newer ext2/ext3)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:37] <hwilde> Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled.
[06:37] <hwilde> I found the features with dumpe2fs but how can I know which one is incompatible and how to disable the feature?
[06:43] <void^> (why bother? why not just 'cp -a' the filesystem?)
[06:43] <eagles0513875> hwilde: good luck on the solid state thing u got going for urself
[06:44] <hwilde> if I mount the hd and the flashcard I can just cp -a ?
[06:44] <hwilde> will it preserve permissions and symlinks
[06:44] <hwilde> I tried using dd and ghosting the partition locally, but the data does not appear to be compressed to the beginning of the harddrive, so it did not all get to the flashcard
[06:45] <void^> -a is short for -dpR which is preserve perms and links and recursively
[06:45] <hwilde> sweet I will try this now
[06:45] <eagles0513875> hwilde: what format do u have it in
[06:45] <rjek> ext on flash?  eww.
[06:45] <hwilde> ext3
[06:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:46] <hwilde> this is bad?
[06:46] <eagles0513875> rjek: he is going for solid state
[06:46] <eagles0513875> no i love ext3 but i havent tried with solid state
[06:46] <hwilde> it runs fine on Ubuntu 5.10, 6.06, 6.10
[06:46] <eagles0513875> dude then u have a solid state drive
[06:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:47] <hwilde> yeah but they changed cpu's on the hardware to celeron d, and now it gets CPU soft lockup detected
[06:47] <hwilde> so i am hoping to upgrade kernels to feisty and then gutsy and that bug will be fixed
[06:48] <hwilde> [17179608.46400]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:48] <eagles0513875> hwilde: careful with gutsy
[06:48] <eagles0513875> especially if u do a dist upgrade
[06:48] <eagles0513875> and all that stuff i got a nasty bug with apport and adept notifier when i did that and i wasnt on solid state
[06:48] <hwilde> not much to lose  -- it already locks up
[06:49] <hwilde> unless you can tell me how to fix that error [17179608.46400]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:49] <hwilde> I have no choice but to upgrade kernels and hope
[06:50] <eagles0513875> hwilde: after adept notifier crashed apport would load processes till i had no more swap and my comp was so bogged down i had to do a hard restart
[06:50] <eagles0513875> give me the exact link to ur bug report hwilde
[06:50] <eagles0513875> hwilde: how do u have it hooked up to your computer
[06:50] <rjek> hwilde: Generally it's best to avoid hard disc file systems on flash, 'cause you'll just burn holes in them.
[06:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:51] <eagles0513875> soild state still has tons of bugs
[06:51] <rjek> No it doesn't.
[06:51] <hwilde> I didn't post a new bug report since there are so many already...
[06:51] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[06:51] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108355
[06:51] <hwilde> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/60053
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during boot if ipw3945 kill switch is on" [High,Confirmed]
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108355 in linux-source-2.6.20 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0 After "Loading Gnome Display Manager" in 7.04 Full" [High,Confirmed]
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60053 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:52] <eagles0513875> one bug at a time
[06:52] <hwilde> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64125
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64125 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:53] <hwilde> they are all related to the error message BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:53] <eagles0513875> hwilde: i dont know how much im going ot be able to help ya
[06:57] <eagles0513875> you know u could just download the kernel source and then complie the skernel from source
[06:57] <hwilde> I can't even resize a partition and you want me to recompile the kernel from source...
[06:57] <hwilde> rjek, aside from flash what would you recommend for a mobile application that cannot use a harddrive?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> what u trying to do thats mobile
[06:57] <hwilde> the flashcard drives a mobile robot.  harddrives with moving parts don't last very long with all the vibration and movement
[06:57] <hwilde> we have seen some of the silicon systems compact flashcards last over 8 months and counting
[06:57] <eagles0513875> ur actually entering solid state
[06:57] <eagles0513875> have u tried ubuntu server which is just a cli
[06:57] <rjek> hwilde: Why can't you use a hard drive, out of interest?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> rjek: its probably a rather small robot
[06:57] <hwilde> the harddrives die.  the robot moves around
[06:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:57] <rjek> I'd use flash if you really couldn't, just not using a hard drive file system.  Look at something like JFFS2 or YAFS.
[06:57] <hwilde> what is wrong with ext3 on a flashcard ?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> hwilde: try ubuntu server its just a cli and its more light weight
[06:57] <rjek> The journal will burn a hole in the flash.
[06:58] <rjek> flash has comparitively few rewrite cycles compared to a hard disc.
[06:58] <eagles0513875> lol and u know u can by 4gb and 8gb cf
[06:58] <rjek> (measured in the thousands rather than millions)
[06:58] <hwilde> ubuntu server does not include all of the necessary drivers and libraries.
[06:58] <rjek> hwilde: Ubuntu Server is just Ubuntu without ubuntu-desktop installed.  Identical packages are available.
[06:58] <rjek> The server install just lets you have finer control over what's installed by default.
[06:59] <hwilde> well the point is I have what I want installed, so why can't I just upgrade that only without all the bloat
[06:59] <hwilde> I have it down to 1.5G with no problems
[06:59] <hwilde> but when I do the dist-upgrade it bloats to 2.7G
[06:59] <hwilde> then I can pare it down to 1.5G again
[06:59] <hwilde> but why does it install so much unnecessary additional packages
[06:59] <nysosym> i can take the master volume to zero, but when i switch pcm to max, i hear sound O.o?
[06:59] <rjek> 1.5GB still quite a lot if you're using it for something embedded.
[07:00] <rjek> Remember, when upgrading it needs to download all the packages, so you need space for the.
[07:00] <rjek> hwilde: You're trying to install a modern desktop OS into the space PCs had 10 years ago.
[07:00] <rjek> hwilde: Use the server install, and only install what you need.
[07:05] <eagles0513875> hwilde: good luck
[07:23] <eagles0513875> hwilde: how did it go
[07:49] <Drakeson> where is emacs?
[07:49] <Drakeson> not emacs21 of course
[07:52] <eagles0513875> sudo apg-get install emacs
[07:54] <Drakeson> eagles0513875: and is it emacs21 it installs?
[07:55] <eagles0513875> it might be something new to gutsy
[07:55] <eagles0513875> i guess so
[07:56] <Drakeson> emacs 21 is too old. there used to be emacs-snapshot-gtk, but I don't know what happenned to it
[08:00] <DanaG> !info emacs
[08:00] <ubotu> emacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:16] <hwilde> eagles0513875, still working on it...
[08:16] <eagles0513875> hows it looking though
[08:19] <DanaG> Here's a bug report I made:
[08:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New]
[08:37] <davmor2> Lo people  is there away to make the live preview work on minimised windows does anyone know please?
[08:41] <Amaranth> davmor2: not possible
[08:42] <davmor2> any reason why I think it would make the feature far more useful
[08:50] <hwilde> void^, the cp -a completed and everything from the harddrive went to the flashcard, now I have to make it bootable somehow?
[08:56] <void^> hwilde: yes, same as a regular harddisk. grub, lilo..
[09:02] <hwilde> void^, it has grub, and I enabled the boot flag, but it just says "Missing operating system"
[09:02] <void^> .. you need to make grub write an appropriate bootsector to it
[09:03] <void^> (and your bios must be capable and willing to boot from it)
[09:03] <hwilde> it boots off of other flashcards
[09:03] <hwilde> and it boots of the harddrive that I "cp -a" 'd to the flashcard
[09:04] <hwilde> it doesn't even get to grub tho
[09:04] <hwilde> grub-install ?
[09:04] <void^> grub-install or grub's shell
[09:06] <hwilde> well I already have the menu.lst
[09:06] <void^> menu.lst isn't required
[10:01] <Karark|away> anyone have trouble with a sidewinder game pad?  i cannot get the D-Pad to work in any emulators but it works in jcalibrate
[10:03] <DanaG> Using gameport or USB?
[10:04] <DanaG> Hmm, often emulators can be tricky to set up.  I haven't used any in a while.
[10:04] <Karark|away> USB
[10:04] <Karark|away> it works in visualboyadnance
[10:04] <Karark|away> advance*
[10:04] <Karark|away> but all others will not detect dpad movements
[10:04] <DanaG> Perhaps some emulators are hard coded to use only joystick (port) devices.
[10:05] <Karark|away> they detect the buttons, though
[10:12] <sayers> What happened to beryl in gusty?
[10:14] <kylem> compiz fusion
[10:14] <sayers> is that better or something?
[10:14] <kylem> yes.
[10:14] <sayers> And how would I install that?
[10:15] <stevo111> yo
[10:15] <stevo111> i need help in enabling the restricted repositories in gutsy beta
[10:15] <kylem> it's a default dependency of ubuntu-desktop now.
[10:15] <sayers> I am on xubuntu
[10:16] <sayers> Ah they are dependencies of this file , I believe I got it
[10:16] <stevo111> i need to get flash player on gutsy beta :)
[10:16] <stevo111> how can i?
[10:16] <SeveredCross> stevo111: System --> Administration --> Software Sources
[10:16] <SeveredCross> Enable Restricted from there.
[10:17] <stevo111> there is no administration
[10:17] <SeveredCross> Though, take note, this is more of a #ubuntu question as it's not really Gutsy-specific.
[10:17] <SeveredCross> Uh....
[10:17] <SeveredCross> What the hell are you using for a Main Menu on your panel?
[10:17] <sayers> Why not tell him the no-failure way SeveredCross , nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:18] <stevo111> what do i delete out of that file?
[10:18] <SeveredCross> Uh, you wanna clear out pretty much all the #'s that are in front of any deb line.
[10:19] <sayers> What #'s do are make the system ignore that line, as in most programming languages and etc.
[10:19] <stevo111> ok
[10:19] <stevo111> thanks
[10:19] <stevo111> whats the command for the java?
[10:19] <stevo111> lol
[10:20] <sayers> !wiki
[10:20] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[10:20] <sayers> That is easier for both of us
[10:20] <stevo111> sudo apt-get ....
[10:20] <sayers> Don't be lazy or you will get no where
[10:20] <stevo111> lol
[10:20] <stevo111> bish
[10:20] <stevo111> thanks for your help though
[10:21] <SeveredCross> For Java? Try just: java
[10:21] <SeveredCross> If you need the compiler, javac
[10:21] <SeveredCross> Though you may have to install gcj or the sun jdk, whichever pleases you.
[10:21] <stevo111> i just want it for games
[10:22] <stevo111> ;p;
[10:22] <stevo111> lol
[10:22] <SeveredCross> WTF, why are my temps so high...
[10:22] <SeveredCross> Oh, because the load is insane...Hmm.
[10:22] <sayers> SeveredCross, :p
[10:22] <SeveredCross> What's driving it so high though.
[10:22] <sayers> ACPI?
[10:22] <SeveredCross> No, Wine.
[10:22] <sayers> No....
[10:22] <stevo111> :O
[10:23] <sayers> Acpi is a power manager
[10:23] <SeveredCross> I know what ACPI is.
[10:23] <sayers> maybe your motherboard doesn't have it
[10:23] <sayers> My old one didn't
[10:23] <SeveredCross> Uh...how is this relevant to my temperatures being high
[10:23] <SeveredCross> ACPI controls the fans, but it doesn't do a very good job on my laptop.
[10:23] <sayers> because if the fans are on Full Speed they create more heat over time
[10:24] <sayers> My computer is loud because two of my fans are manual
[10:24] <sayers> accutely 3
[10:24] <SeveredCross> Uh.....you're telling me that they create more heat that isn't totally neutralized by the fact that they're running at full speed?
[10:24] <SeveredCross> That's the most insane thing I've ever heard.
[10:24] <sayers> Well that's what happened
[10:24] <sayers> on my old case
[10:24] <sayers> which had no vents
[10:25] <sayers> My old computer was store-bought, this one is all hand-put-together, none the less, Your processes, why not use the System Manager thinger and sort through usage
[10:25] <SeveredCross> Well, no shit it's going to happen there.
[10:25] <SeveredCross> Where are you going to vent air if there's no vents, of course it's going to get hot.
[10:25] <SeveredCross> I already checked, it was wine tweaking out for some reason.
[10:25] <stevo111> !language SeveredCross:
[10:25] <sayers> What would wine be on for?
[10:25] <stevo111> oops
[10:26] <stevo111> lol
[10:26] <SeveredCross> I was running a Windows app whose functionality I just can't duplicate with any Linux app.
[10:26] <sayers> Ah
[10:26] <sayers> Are there any torrent programs like Ktorrent in stile with out the kde dependencies
[10:27] <SeveredCross> Deluge is my favorite.
[10:28] <sayers> Isn't that slow or was I just imagining that ?
[10:28] <SeveredCross> It works okay for me.
[10:28] <sayers> I'll see how it runs on XFCE which is very sexy looking after a little changing
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[11:26] <slimz> is the plugin that lifts the windows off the cube not installed by default?
[11:29] <slimz> i forgot what its called
[11:35] <askand> Will ubuntu be more or less resource demanding?
[11:35] <slimz> askand : compared to what?
[11:36] <askand> slimz: hrm sorry gutsy compared to feisty
[11:36] <slimz> askand, im running it on a pentium m 1.6 and it flies
[11:36] <slimz> askand, hrmm cant really answer that
[11:36] <slimz> askand, sorry
[11:36] <askand> slimz: ok
[11:37] <askand> Anyone else here that ca answer?
[11:46] <Trewas> I haven't noticed any difference, and don't know of any reason to expect there to be any dramatic difference compared to feisty
[11:48] <SeveredCross> Gutsy uses a bit less RAM for me.
[11:49] <askand>  SeveredCross: ok nice..so its notlike vista (i have to buy new computer) ;)
[11:49] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[11:50] <SeveredCross> Actually, I have a lot of RAM usage right now but that's not Gutsy's fault.
[11:50] <SeveredCross> That's mine.
[11:50] <askand> SeveredCross: how come?
[11:50] <SeveredCross> Actually, I don't know.
[11:50] <SeveredCross> I'm not sure...
[11:50] <SeveredCross> System Monitor doesn't show anything.
[11:51] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[11:51] <SeveredCross> The two instances of Xorg would do it.
[11:51] <SeveredCross> Two instances at 100 MB RAM each.
[11:51] <askand> SeveredCross: Ok..I got compiz.realprocessthat is 20% :S
[11:55] <SeveredCross> Oops, killed the wrong X...