[19:47] <matias2> Hi, after upgrade to 13.04, my unity menu doesn't show up anymore. I already tried `unity reset-icons` and `dconf reset -f /org/compiz`, other users work (guest, new user)
[19:47] <tgm4883> charlton, it's 'do-release-upgrade', and you don't need the '-d' option unless you want to upgrade to the development version
[19:47] <CrownWheel> nottapro, yes - but...
[19:47] <nottapro> I am running from a Live CD of ubunut right now
[19:47] <charlton> zycotick9, tmc4883, planet1 Sorry, i did mine when it was still in development *smacks face*
[19:47] <bagelong> After upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 I can no longer connect to wifi
[19:47] <zykotick9> tgm4883: thanks for backing me up both times ;)
[19:47] <mzaza> charlton: When would I expect updates to fix slow nautilus and slow startup, because I had Ubuntu 13.04 for 3 days now and it's buggy and no updates go released yet.
[19:48] <CrownWheel> Here's experience I had running Xubuntu from Live flash drives with persistence.
[19:48] <zykotick9> !tab > charlton
[19:48] <tgm4883> zykotick9, yw
[19:48] <charlton> mzaza, im not sure. what are your hardware specs?
[19:48] <CrownWheel> Due to the way the persistence file's filesystem is created (which I don't fully understand), it doesn't get fsck-ed ... ever.
[19:48] <nottapro> CrownWheel: If I had a hard drive, I'd definitely just use that. Unfortunately, given my current circumstances... It's impossible
[19:48] <planet1> So can I go directly from 12.10 to 13.04 STUDIO or do I have to do 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.04 STUDIO ?
[19:48] <CrownWheel> So, after about a dozen boot cycles, it self-destructs in a flurry of bad-inode messages.
[19:49] <tgm4883> mzaza, Unity is suppose to be faster, due to not needing as many resources. That doesn't have anything to do with startup time, and probably not nautilus either
[19:49] <iceroot> planet1: 12.04 - 12.10 - 13.04
[19:49] <CrownWheel> You can get around this if you boot another Linux system (eg. from another Flash drive) and manually fsck the "casper" file.
[19:49] <CrownWheel> Also, you can't upgrade the Kernel in a Live flash install.
[19:49] <nottapro> CrownWheel: sounds a bit advanced for my current level of knowledge and experience with linux in general
[19:49] <CrownWheel> That doesn't seem to be documented anywhere.  And the updater is unaware of it, so it'll waste a HUGE amount of time trying and failing.
[19:49] <matias2> Hi, after upgrade to 13.04, my unity menu doesn't show up anymore. I already tried `unity reset-icons` and `dconf reset -f /org/compiz`, other users work (guest, new user)
[19:49] <mzaza> charlton: Sony Vaio S, i5 (2.5 GHz upt to 3.0) processor 3rd generation with 3 MB cache. 4GB RAM, 5400rpm harddisk
[19:50] <planet1> iceroot: the starting point would be 12.04 and the aim would be STUDIO (13.04)
[19:50] <zykotick9> planet1: it ubuntu-studio is some metapackage (i don't know what it's really called, or if it even exists), then it really doesn't matter when you install it.  i'd suggest after you upgrade to the new release though (expect issues with that) - best of luck!
[19:50] <CrownWheel> nottapro, yeah...for me too.  I just figured you should know what you're getting into.
[19:50] <wilee-nilee> CrownWheel, You can make a casper-rw partition as big as you need and have space for.
[19:50] <tgm4883> planet1, do you have a separate /home partition?
[19:50] <CrownWheel> wilee-nilee, it's not a matter of running out of space.  It simply didn't survive very long.
[19:50] <iceroot> planet1: you have to do through every release. only from an lts to an lts is supported, so 10.04 -> 12.04 -> 14.04 everything between needs to hit every releae for upgrading
[19:50] <nottapro> CrownWheel: I just need a system that I can use. The computer is my only means of communication with relatives. So I'm kind of desperate here
[19:51] <charlton> mzaza, Hmmm, im not sure. i have a crap MSI L1350 with 1GB RAM and an intel atom and it boots in less than 10 seconds.
[19:51] <mzaza> tgm4883: Since I upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04 and I am experincing very slow nautilus when it starts it takes up to 6 seconds to respond to my click while opening folder and it takes about 3 seconds after I click the x button to close the nautilus to get closed.
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> CrownWheel, I have only seen it fill up, its not cleanable.
[19:51] <zykotick9> iceroot: planet1 is only upgrading 1 release - they just think the ubuntu-studio is another...
[19:51] <mzaza> charlton: And nautilus is very slow, I could upload a video on youtube to show you how long it takes to respond to my clicks
[19:52] <bagelong> Anyone know of a solution to the broadcom wireless issues following upgrade to 13.04?
[19:52] <CrownWheel> wilee-nilee, and I've seen the persistence file in several Live Flash installs self destruct with plenty of free space remaining.  Like I say, fsck-ing from another machine on a regular basis keeps them going.
[19:52] <CrownWheel> nottapro, if you have 2 Flash drives, use one for file storage and boot off the other.
[19:52] <charlton> mzaza, i honestly dont know what to say. what is your resource usage during normal use?
[19:52] <nottapro> CrownWheel: How often must I do that?
[19:52] <planet1> in 12.10 this Boot-Upgrade (REALLY HATE THAT) was indroduced as a replacement for the ALTERNATE distribution
[19:52] <nottapro> CrownWheel: the only problem with booting off a usb is I don't think my motherboard supports it, or atleast I'm not aware of it
[19:52] <CrownWheel> The Live distros work great.  Just not as stand-alone long term solutions.  Or boot from a CD for that matter, where it won't be an issue at all.
[19:52] <planet1> what has 13.04 to offer in this regard ?
[19:53] <mzaza> charlton: I use vim, g++, chromium and sometimes monodevelop. I don't do much. Any the nautlius lag even happens if I have anything closed.
[19:53] <zykotick9> CrownWheel: i've had nothing but "issues" when i tried using persistance with USB drives.  now, i don't bother, and just install onto the usb drive - no good if you want to install from it though :(
[19:54] <bagelong> Wifi, anyone? anyone? anyone?
[19:54] <charlton> mzaza, Im not sure what it is. is it like this if you boot from a livecd, for example? im sure its not your hardware, but its worht a look
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> !wifi
[19:55] <nottapro> How do I check my ram usage in ubuntu?
[19:55] <charlton> nottapro, try top
[19:55] <mzaza> charlton: Haven't tried live cd since I upgraded from 12.10. But in 12.10 it worked just fine.
[19:55] <nottapro> haha, I guess the right question is how do I open a terminal in ubunut
[19:55] <matias2> nottapro, Either with free (-m), or with system monitor
[19:55] <charlton> mzaza, im not sure what to tell you, friend, but i wish you the best of luck.
[19:56] <charlton> nottapro, try ctrl+alt+t
[19:56] <nottapro> charlton: thank you!
[19:56] <bagelong> @ubottu, there is a new bug with the upgrade to 13.04, for which I have not found a solution to yet
[19:56] <charlton> nottapro, or do what matias2 says
[19:56] <zykotick9> nottapro: from cli, using "free" is the base option, then top (i'd strongly recommend htop) are the curses methods of choice.  but read and understand http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ before you freak out about high mem usage ;)  good luck.
[19:56] <charlton> nottapro, if you want a GUI, that is
[19:56] <spirit_> hi
[19:57] <MonkeyDust> nottapro  or htop
[19:57] <Quest> can I install applications on windows clients with a linux server, just in a way that active directory and domain control system does by the aid of a windows server? if not (most probably) are there any work arounds?
[19:57] <mzaza> charlton: thanks
[19:57] <newbe> hey guys i need help  ubunut is not iinstalling on my computer
[19:57] <charlton> Quest, do you mean setting up a network share with the programs on it?
[19:57] <MonkeyDust> newbe  what happens when you try?
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> !details > newbe
[19:58] <charlton> newbe, "ubunut"
[19:58] <bagelong> @newbe, what OS is on the machine
[19:58] <newbe> it act like its going to istall
[19:58] <newbe> nothing blank drive
[19:58] <Quest> charlton,  yes, and also installing programs
[19:58] <Quest> charlton,  yes, and also installing programs on each client
[19:58] <bagelong> Can you run from a live CD
[19:58] <newbe> yes
[19:58] <newbe> works fine
[19:58] <charlton> Quest, do you want to do that on the client or remotely?
[19:59] <Quest> charlton,  correct
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> newbe  you see a binking cursor, top left?
[19:59] <newbe> in the middle of the install it frezzes
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> blinking*
[19:59] <mob666> :)
[19:59] <newbe> i tryed to install 12.04
[19:59] <newbe> will not compleat
[19:59] <nottapro> CrownWheel: What did you say I needed to do in order to keep the flash drives from self destructing?
[20:00] <newbe> tryed 11.04  goes to a pink screen and spining wheel
[20:00] <charlton> Quest, do sudo apt-get install samba and edit the configuration file to suit your needs
[20:00] <zykotick9> nottapro: i "believe" CrownWheel suggested fsck the persistant partition from another box.
[20:01] <charlton> Quest, also, in the config file, change workgroup = WORKGROUP to the name of the workgroup the clients computers are in
[20:01] <newbe> any ideas
[20:01] <nottapro> Zykotick9: okay. That may be a problem. I don't have any other computer but this one
[20:01] <newbe> i
[20:01] <cristina> hello ...wanna make a boot`able usb with xp ..
[20:01] <Psycholiquid71> I am having an issue trying to mount an nsf share through fstab and two things are happening, one it wont auto mount I assume it is because the network isnt quiet up yet, but mount -a works, and two I am getting an error on reboot "mountall: disconnected from Plymouth any ideas guys and gals, using 12.04.2 server, terminal only
[20:01] <cristina> i use lubunto ..
[20:01] <cristina> how do i do it?
[20:01] <newbe> trying  it on a compact persario
[20:01] <charlton> christina, use the Universal USB installer by pendrivelinux
[20:01] <newbe> amd chip xp3200
[20:01] <CrownWheel> zykotick9, nottapro, yeah.  Like I say, if you have TWO flash drives, you can boot one then the other, and fsck each other.  But ... what a pain.
[20:01] <zykotick9> !tab | nottapro you don't have to type Z-y-k-o-t-i-c-k-9 to highlight me ;)
[20:01] <charlton> cristina, use the Universal USB installer by pendrivelinux
[20:01] <newbe> 1gb ram and 160gb drive
[20:02] <Quest> charlton,  samba will only give me file sharing. not the ability to install apps remotely on clients
[20:02] <nottapro> Zyko: I'm using the freenode webclient
[20:02] <CrownWheel> apparently the Live install on USB was simply not designed for long term use.  Anyway, it certainly wasn't tested for long-term survivability...
[20:02] <nottapro> I dont know how it works with highlights
[20:02] <zykotick9> nottapro: sorry.  that sucks ;)
[20:03] <CrownWheel> So, I'm gonna' re-iterate my recommendation: boot from CD, plug in a regular, non-bootable USB drive for storage.
[20:03] <charlton> Quest, im afraid im not sure how to do that with linux, but you could always create a network share to make it easy for the clients do do it, perhaps.
[20:03] <nottapro> zykotick9: indeed!
[20:03] <nottapro> ubuntu is really nice. I haven't used it in a very, very long time. I had a debian install on my laptop before it nuked itself
[20:03] <charlton> Quest, if this was an all-ubuntu system, you could easily do it with Landscapr
[20:03] <cristina> charlton,
[20:04] <cristina> don`t find it
[20:04] <newbe> any ideas why its not installing right
[20:04] <charlton> cristina, yes?
[20:04] <nottapro> I am surprised my hardware was detected right off the bat
[20:04] <cristina> pm plz
[20:04] <newbe> HELLO
[20:04] <charlton> cristina, dont find what?
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> newbe  maybe the iso is corrupt - where did you get it? do the md5 check
[20:04] <Quest> charlton,  server is ubuntu. clients are windows xp/7
[20:04] <charlton> newbe, hello.
[20:05] <cristina> the usb ...
[20:05] <newbe> it is from ubuntu
[20:05] <cristina> i was trying with unetbootin ...but don`t work
[20:05] <newbe> and old repostoryes  site
[20:06] <charlton> Quest, Im not sure. there is probably some sort of 3rd-party software for that, although im not a systems administrator and haven't much experience with that sort of thing.
[20:06] <bennypr0fane> hellopat, does anyone run Gnome 3.6 in 12.04? I want to upgrade Gnome Shell, but I' rather stay with the LTS release. However, everything I can find related to Gnome 3.6 is about Quantal or Raring
[20:06] <Psycholiquid71> anyone know about nfs shares?
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> newbe  old repositories? simply get it here http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[20:06] <Quest> can I install applications on windows clients with a linux server, just in a way that active directory and domain control system does by the aid of a windows server? if not (most probably) are there any work arounds?
[20:06] <charlton> cristina, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[20:07] <zykotick9> newbe: is this a 64bit iso on a 32bit system perhaps?  md5ing the iso you used is a good idea, but if you used torrent should be fine.  what did you use to install (cd/usb)?  then, how did you create that install media?
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> Quest  there's also #ubuntu-server, try and ask there
[20:07] <Psycholiquid71> Quest you could use FOG to do it
[20:07] <elo19> how to activate laptop touchpad?
[20:07] <Quest> Psycholiquid71,  really?
[20:07] <charlton> Psycholiquid71, Quest, thank you.
[20:08] <elo19> cant use laptop without mouse...
[20:08] <cristina> yes charlton but this is for linux only
[20:08] <zykotick9> Psycholiquid71: sorry, what is FOG short for?
[20:08] <Psycholiquid71> Quest yes, it has snapins you can make without problems and upload them to FOG server and have it push down
[20:08] <cristina> i am on lubunto now
[20:08] <cristina> and i want a usb boot`able xp
[20:08] <cristina> that is for linux only
[20:08] <b14d3> Hi all, trying to reinstall Ubuntu after some superblock errors, and can't seem to get past the "Loading Operating System" screen even with a fresh install. I can boot from a livecd USB just fine. Kind of lost here.
[20:08] <Psycholiquid71> zykotic9 not sure but it is a free ghosting system
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> FOG : Fear and a bunh of other things
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> bunch
[20:09] <charlton> cristina, actually, its for everything linux. Ubuntu is based on linux
[20:09] <elo19> dont find options for touchpad.... maybe need to install something?
[20:09] <charlton> cristina, also, there is a setting in there for ubuntu. just try it out. seriously.
[20:10] <mzaza> charlton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUd0Hy5Acb8
[20:10] <Psycholiquid71> http://fogproject.org
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> b14d3, Have you checked the disc for errors?
[20:10] <mzaza> That's a youtube video showing the lag
[20:10] <Psycholiquid71> I am having an issue trying to mount an nsf share through fstab and two things are happening, one it wont auto mount I assume it is because the network isnt quiet up yet, but mount -a works, and two I am getting an error on reboot "mountall: disconnected from Plymouth any ideas guys and gals, using 12.04.2 server, terminal only
[20:10] <charlton> cristina, and if you are already using ubuntu, try Startup Disk Creator
[20:10] <b14d3> wilee-nilee, I have, and while it does say that I have some bad sectors, everything else comes back just fine.
[20:10] <Quest> Psycholiquid71,  i wont install an app on all windows clients.
[20:10] <zykotick9> Psycholiquid71: are you using a web client too?  if so disregard, but typing zykotic9 (which isn't correct BTW) is such a pain!  if you have a real client use TAB to autocomplete nicks ;)
[20:11] <cristina> yes i already use lubuntu
[20:11] <Psycholiquid71> yeah I am on a web client atm
[20:11] <mzaza> cristina: Download winusb
[20:11] <cristina> and i wanna make a usb boot with xp
[20:11] <cristina> windows xp
[20:11] <Psycholiquid71> you can choose which apps to install on which clients with FOG
[20:12] <mzaza> cristina: http://en.congelli.eu/prog_info_winusb.html
[20:12] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, have you thoroughly gone through the fstab manual? don't get mad, I just have had a lot of experiences fumbling around for hours with fstab
[20:12] <CrownWheel> cristina, I tried this not long ago with ISOtoUSB and an image I made of an old XP CD.  That didn't work for me...so I'm listening in on this...
[20:12] <Rahail> hi every one how are you question.. we made ISO with teamviwer using unbtu desktop 12. lts however for some reason after ISO teamviwer using same ID and its creating problem
[20:12] <Rahail> any idea how can I reset Teamviwer ID on ubnutu
[20:12] <elo19> wilee-nilee: where are options (enable/disable) touchpad?
[20:12] <bennypr0fane> ...until realizing I was just not using the right mount options
[20:12] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane I did, took me a while to get a grasp on it but once I got it, thats when I hit this problem
[20:12] <thvle> Hello, I need help. I want disable journaling in my / partition, but I need umount /, so I want to do from the live CD. Somebody tell me how I do it? Thank you.
[20:13] <charlton> mzaza, that is a bit laggy...
[20:13] <cristina> hm...what to do? use startup not use...
[20:13] <CrownWheel> mzaza, wow.  I did not find that when I went looking...
[20:13] <mzaza> wilee-nilee: Is that normal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUd0Hy5Acb8
[20:13] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, maybe you wanna post your fstab so people can have a look at it
[20:13] <Psycholiquid71> Everythingis working jsut wont auto mount and the other part is just irritating me but it does work
[20:13] <cristina> use mzaza prog
[20:13] <cristina> ..
[20:13] <Psycholiquid71> ok posting
[20:13] <Quest> Psycholiquid71,  i wont install an app on all windows clients.
[20:13] <thvle> anyone help me
[20:13] <mzaza> CrownWheel: I tried it with burning Windows 7 ISO to USB drive because Ubuntu startup disk creator didn't work. And it worked with me.
[20:13] <Quest> Psycholiquid71,  iT** wont install an app on all windows clients.
[20:13] <elo19> me too... help please
[20:14] <CrownWheel> mzaza, oh wait. does that let you RUN Windows from a USB stick, or just install it? (actually, either would have worked for me...)
[20:14] <mzaza> cristina: When I tried burning Windows 7 startup disk creator didn't work, i don't know about windows xp. but winusb worked for me.
[20:14] <bennypr0fane> elo19 at the oment it is not possible to help you because no one in this channel is sitting at your pc
[20:15] <cristina> hm...ok i`ll tryit
[20:15] <mzaza> CrownWheel: it just makes windows live startup disk
[20:15] <CrownWheel> that's what it looked like...  neat.
[20:15] <elo19> bennypr0fane: dont understand what you mean?
[20:15] <bennypr0fane> elo19 you need to give as more information, or better, all the information you have pertaining to your problem
[20:15] <mzaza> CrownWheel: Just to install, to do what you're talking about you'll have to backup a windows xp installation and convert it to iso then burn in it, as far as i knkow
[20:15] <zykotick9> Psycholiquid71: looks like fog was last updated 2011.  if you want a live imaging solution, i'd suggest you check out http://clonezilla.org/ for sure.
[20:16] <Psycholiquid71> http://pastebin.com/xbv5iCab
[20:16] <bennypr0fane> elo19 you could start by naming your distro version, your laptop model, which desktop environment you use, etc. etc.
[20:17] <Psycholiquid71> Yeah Clonezilla is nice but FOG is so much better I works for an unamed airline company and we use it across multiple states clonezilla just cant cut multiple locations
[20:17] <elo19> basically if i remove the mouse i cannot use laptop.... touchpad does not work anymore.....
[20:17] <bennypr0fane> elo19 otherwise it's not possible to help you
[20:17]  * zykotick9 sees pastebin.com and goes ehhhh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/ has no ads!
[20:17] <Rahail> any one ? reseting teamviwer ID.. after ubnuto clone
[20:17] <elo19> zorin os gnome
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> elo19, Not supported here
[20:18] <elo19> zorin os lite
[20:18] <bennypr0fane> nothing wrong with pastebin
[20:18] <b14d3> Alright, I'm now deleting all the partitions on the drive, recreating them (just two, a primary and a swap), and trying to reinstall Ubuntu.
[20:18] <Psycholiquid71> well ads suck but I was just typing the first thing to come ot mind
[20:18] <bennypr0fane> elo19 then you should look for your distro's support channels. It sounds to me like a driver issue
[20:19] <elo19> zorin os is based on ubuntu
[20:19] <bennypr0fane> but it's not ubuntu
[20:19] <bennypr0fane> lots of things can be different in derivatives
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> elo19, Still not supported. ;)
[20:19] <elo19> how to solve driver issue?
[20:19] <cristina> configure: error: in `/home/cristina/Music/winusb-1.0.11':
[20:19] <cristina> configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[20:20] <cristina> mzaza
[20:20] <tortib> hi i'm trying to use git to checkout a repository yet I keep running into this error when I run git checkout fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
[20:20] <elo19> wilee-nilee: how would you solve problem if it were ubuntu?
[20:20] <theadmin> tortib: You shouldn't specify a path to the .git directory, but to it's parent
[20:21] <theadmin> tortib: i.e. git checkout /path/to/something NOT git checkout /path/to/something/.git
[20:21] <tortib> that doesn't seem to be working either?
[20:21] <wushu> hey! can someone help me figure out how to limit ssh logins to only one user? i added "AllowUsers myusername" to the end of sshd_config, but i can't figure out how to put it into effect
[20:22] <tortib> wushu: restart ssh
[20:22] <xub69> wushu: did you restart the ssh server?
[20:22] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, what behavior tells you autmount isn't working
[20:22] <mzaza> cristina: you're running 32 bit or 64 bit?
[20:23] <mzaza> cristina: and which ubuntu version?
[20:23] <tortib> theadmin: any idea why i would be running into this problem?  This is the repo I'm trying to checkout https://github.com/prof7bit/goxtool
[20:23] <Psycholiquid71> when I log in after reboot and path to it, it is empty but if I run mount -a it mounts them immediatly
[20:23] <cristina> 32
[20:23] <cristina> lubuntu
[20:23] <wushu> tortib, xub69: i am doing this remotely so when i do service ssh restart i only get something about pid..
[20:23] <cristina> Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS \n \l
[20:24] <mzaza> cristina: download this https://launchpad.net/~colingille/+archive/freshlight/+files/winusb_1.0.11+precise1_i386.deb
[20:24] <xub69> mzaza: just curious, what is winusb?
[20:24] <theadmin> tortib: ...Woah. Seems that repo is broken.
[20:24] <tortib> hmm so it's not just me then interesting
[20:24] <theadmin> tortib: Can't checkout from it myself the way that normally works :/
[20:24] <mzaza> xub69: A tool that burns windows ISO on usb disk.
[20:25] <wushu> xub69, tortib: so i guess my question is how i can restart ssh remotely. silly question i guess, but still
[20:25] <dividebyzer0> hey wushu, after doing the config changes in sshd.... run "service sshd restart" for changes to take effect
[20:25] <cristina> erorr
[20:25] <cristina> wtf
[20:25] <Psycholiquid71_> There this is better
[20:25] <theadmin> wushu: sudo restart ssh
[20:25] <dividebyzer0> you can do it remotely while still connected via ssh... youll drop the connection but can reconnect in a couple seconds
[20:25] <jamesaepp> LOOKING for help on how to mount smb and ftp locations in ubuntu 12.04 PROPERLY
[20:25] <xub69> mzaza: I've had decent luck with dd, why not dd?
[20:26] <Psycholiquid71_> bennypr0fane: it will not auto mount but if I type mount -a it will mount them immdeiatly
[20:26] <cristina> xub69 what`s dd
[20:26] <cristina> ?
[20:26] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, you could try removing the auto option
[20:26] <theadmin> jamesaepp: mount.cifs //servername/sharename mountpoint -o username=YOUR_USERNAME,password=YOUR_PASSWORD
[20:26] <dividebyzer0> christina, google it. really good tool for sysadmin work!!
[20:26] <anivar> #ubuntu-devel
[20:26] <theadmin> jamesaepp: No idea about FTP though.
[20:26] <wushu> theadmin: sudo restart ssh tells me "ssh start/running, process 7948"
[20:26] <Psycholiquid71_> bennypr0fane: but then will it mount them on startup
[20:26] <mzaza> xub69: This was easier, if you could give me a hint and assist cristina please write the command to burn the windows iso on a usb
[20:26] <theadmin> wushu: Well, then it's restarted.
[20:26] <theadmin> wushu: Tada.
[20:26] <dividebyzer0> wushu, thats correct
[20:27] <wushu> aha :)
[20:27] <jamesaepp> theadmin: Does this automatically mount on boot or no?
[20:27] <wushu> thx
[20:27] <dividebyzer0> yessir
[20:27] <bennypr0fane> because: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Options says: "auto - The filesystem can be mounted automatically (at bootup, or when mount is passed the -a option). This is really unnecessary as this is the default action of mount -a anyway. "
[20:27] <theadmin> jamesaepp: No, you should put it in fstab then
[20:27] <voyage> why my friend has been banned for asking a simple question (no warnings given to him either). question was. 1. can I install applications on windows clients with a linux server (to all clients at once with a single instruction), just in a way that active directory and domain control system does by the aid of a windows server? if not (most probably) are there any work arounds? 2. how to do all that if the clients and server are both
[20:27] <jamesaepp> fstab is a PoS
[20:27] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, so maybe it'll just work without auto
[20:27] <mzaza> xub69: and if you could look at my problem :D please do http://askubuntu.com/questions/287491/ubuntu-13-04-after-upgrade-from-12-10-upgrade
[20:27] <b14d3> After completely deleting all partitions and reinstalling, still hanging at the "Loading Operating System..." screen.
[20:27] <elo19> wilee-nilee: i dont understand why you dont want to help me just because i have zorin..... is the primary goal of this channel to help people or is it to help just one distro? i mean solution for ubuntu will probably work for zorin as well....
[20:27] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: Ill give that a try and see what happens
[20:28] <xub69> cristina: it can do many things, afaik it's mainly for copying or reading data, I normally try something like dd if=/path/to/win.iso of=/dev/sdx conv=noerror,notrunc ; # where sdx is your usb.  there is a forum post going into more detail: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/
[20:28] <theadmin> jamesaepp: The line will look like this: //servername/sharename mountpoint username=YOUR_USERNAME,password=YOUR_PASSWORD,_netdev
[20:28] <jamesaepp> fstab has never worked for me in any distro/combination/guide used. Is there a GUI that does these mounts for me? I'm sick and tired of taking hours getting nowhere where in Windows it is literally tools-map - DONE
[20:28] <bennypr0fane> elo19 well someone might give you a hint once if you provide some basic info (last time I'm mentioning this)
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> elo19, It is not that I don't want to help, but I do not have an answer, and yes this is canonical released ubuntu support only.
[20:29] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: no dice
[20:29] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, does that mean "not working"? if so, :-(
[20:29] <Psycholiquid71> jamesaepp: I would love to do the interface but I am trying to minimize the machine and use terminal only to do all this
[20:30] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: yeah doesnt work but the mount -a mounts it no problem as ussual
[20:30] <elo19> bennypr0fane: i gave you info you asked for i think.... you said driver problem.... but i dont know how to proceed.....
[20:30] <jamesaepp> oh, CLIs. Nice, but if you're running a server -- most likely you'll have the hardware to run a GUI anyways. That is my philosophy
[20:30] <Psycholiquid71> I was thinking of running a csript to run mount -a after it is up and running but I really dont know where or how to do this
[20:31] <mzaza> xub69: I'll have to go, if you had any clue about my problem please write down to me on askubuntu, thanks :)
[20:31] <xub69> mzaza: i like that you included a video
[20:31] <Psycholiquid71> jamesaepp: running on a VM I have the hardware just trying to minimize and not take anymore space on SNA if I dont need to
[20:31] <Psycholiquid71> SAN
[20:31] <mzaza> xub69: Couldn't explain it really :D
[20:31] <jamesaepp> Psycholiquid71: sounds harder than it needs to be.
[20:32] <mzaza> xub69: That's not normal, right?
[20:32] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, I think rs.local is a good place to put a startup script
[20:32] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: I give it a try and find out Ill let you know
[20:33] <cristina> xub
[20:33] <xub69> mzaza: yeah, that's weird, I've only really seen that when messing with an ntfs partition
[20:33] <cristina> this will ...broke my sistem
[20:33] <xub69> cristina: it could, be careful.
[20:34] <cristina> how do i stop it
[20:34] <cristina> ?
[20:34] <cristina> ctrl+x
[20:34] <cristina> ctrl+C?
[20:35] <xub69> ctrl -c
[20:35] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: paydirt that worked
[20:35] <MiniD> I found the file InstallGenieo.dmg (sha256: 44eae526f3ec2dd071cec4a1ff0d25bc8209a040739e62a0588dfabce476f1d6) in my downloads folder without any recollection of having told anything to download this. I inspected the downloads log on Chromium Web Browser and found it appears to have came from http://download.genieo.com/partner/genTugM/mac_release/live/InstallGenieo.dmg. However, as I stated, I do not believe I ever confirmed this download i
[20:35] <cristina> Setup cannot find the Installation CD. Please insert the %s CD into the CD drive and click Retry	VS CustoProdDescVisual Studio Baseline:The component currently being processed cannot be canceled&Are you sure you want to cancel Setup?,Error code %ld for this component means "%s"^C56517+0 records in
[20:35] <cristina> 56516+0 records out
[20:35] <cristina> 28936192 bytes (29 MB) copied, 121.754 s, 238 kB/s
[20:35] <cristina> no i will go with winusb
[20:35] <xub69> k
[20:35] <cristina> just need a compiler..
[20:35] <cristina> i think
[20:35] <MiniD> don't click that link btw, I have no idea what it is
[20:36] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, where you from? I don't understand your expressions :-) does paydirt mean success?
[20:37] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: US, just some redneck speech I picked up over the years
[20:37] <Psycholiquid71> and yes that worked like a champ
[20:37] <bennypr0fane> awesome
[20:37] <xub69> Psycholiquid71: thought it means you hit gold.
[20:37] <Psycholiquid71> LOL
[20:37] <Psycholiquid71> i wish
[20:37] <bennypr0fane> well english is not my native language, so...
[20:39] <rinselberg> I have new Mac. Just tried to download Ubuntu Desktop 64-bit. Looks like the download starts but instantly aborts. ??
[20:39] <elo19> wilee-nilee: ok but so your primary goal is not "altruistic help to other human beings"..... my bad.... i didnt think "interests" were a big thing here..... i realize i understood things wrong.... i thought that because the word "ubuntu" is closely related to "altruism"...... but here you use the word not in the zulu sense i guess......
[20:39] <talk2me12> helo
[20:40] <benzrf> hello! I'm in a bit of a pickle!
[20:40] <talk2me12> what is the difference between ubuntu and Xubuntu
[20:40] <bennypr0fane> elo19 you may be just about correct there
[20:40] <benzrf> talk2me12: the default desktop environment
[20:40] <benzrf> ok, so I was upgrading my mother's windows laptop
[20:40] <bennypr0fane> talk2me12, they use different desktop enviromemnts
[20:40] <theadmin> talk2me12: Xubuntu uses Xfce as the desktop. Xfce feels somewhat like the classic Ubuntu (pre-11.04), and is also more suitable for older hardware.
[20:40] <benzrf> It was already partitioned into a C drive, mostly full, and a D drive, mostly empty.
[20:40] <BlueEagle> !enter | benzrf
[20:40] <wizard_A> is there no other way other than hostpad to make ad-hoc(with internet sharing) visible to android devices??
[20:41] <BlueEagle> and !ot for that matter.
[20:41] <theadmin> wizard_A: Android doesn't support ad-hoc wi-fi networks :/ Blame Google for that.
[20:41] <benzrf> When installing Ubuntu, I partitioned the D drive (which was only a partition in one physical HD) into one small partition to hold the existing files there, and a new large one to hold Ubuntu.
[20:42] <MiniD> actually I'm not too worried considering its a file for a mac lol :/
[20:42] <mzaza> xub69: When I try fdisk /dev/sda1 -l I get this erro Disk /dev/sda5 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[20:42] <benzrf> This worked fine and Ubuntu ran well. I then tried booting into Windows, installed on the 'C drive' partition. Windows did not boot properly and just returned to POST in a loop. I then tried booting into Ubuntu, only to discover that it didn't work either.
[20:42] <mzaza> xub69: Does that mean anything?
[20:43] <benzrf> The ubuntu loading screen showed up, but after it vanished I only got a black screen while the fan whirred.
[20:43] <theadmin> mzaza: /dev/sda1 isn't a disk, it's a partition. You want "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda"
[20:43] <bennypr0fane> elo19 however, it's unreasonable to expect the grocery store to sell you a couch, or wahtever. if you go ask for help at the wrong place, you're just less likely to get it, that#s how it works
[20:43] <Psycholiquid71> benzrf: sounds like you need grub
[20:43] <mzaza> theadmin: How can i view the whole partition layout?
[20:43] <wizard_A> that means i've to use hostpad, but will that be that stable a connection for other laptops in my network??
[20:43] <benzrf> My theory is that Windows failed to boot since I'd altered the partitions and it expected them to be a different size, but while trying to boot it messed with the FS enough to break Ubuntu.
[20:43] <theadmin> mzaza: sudo fdisk -l, or sudo parted -l for saner information
[20:44] <benzrf> Psycholiquid71: I had grub, but after attempting to start the windows recovery tool, grub started complaining about an invalid fs, or something
[20:44] <benzrf> although I did not actually run the recovery
[20:44] <Psycholiquid71> windows recovery tool would try and fix the MBR which in turn would destroy grub I believe
[20:45] <bennypr0fane> benzrf that sounds to me like something went wrong during the repartitioning
[20:45] <mzaza> theadmin: This is the URL of the problem "http://askubuntu.com/questions/287491/ubuntu-13-04-after-upgrade-from-12-10-upgrade" and this is the partition layout "http://pastebin.com/knrkYvnv" Why do this problem exist :D ?
[20:45] <bennypr0fane> benzrf what Psycholiquid71 said
[20:45] <benzrf> well, ubuntu booted fine before I attempted to boot windowas
[20:45] <benzrf> *windows
[20:45] <bennypr0fane> what did you use fir repartiotioning
[20:45] <benzrf> the ubuntu installer
[20:45] <bennypr0fane> *for
[20:46] <bennypr0fane> so the ubuntu gparted app
[20:46] <benzrf> I guess
[20:46] <bennypr0fane> post the output of fdisk -l
[20:46] <theadmin> mzaza: Nope
[20:46] <Psycholiquid71> benzrf: I assume you used the graphical interface
[20:46] <benzrf> yes
[20:47] <benzrf> bennypr0fane: when booting from the install disk
[20:47] <benzrf> ?
[20:47] <Psycholiquid71> bennypr0fane: it probably auto partitioned on him
[20:47] <mzaza> theadmin: ok, thanks
[20:47] <benzrf> Psycholiquid71: no, I did it manually
[20:47] <Psycholiquid71> ahhh
[20:47] <benzrf> I started with a ~100GB c-drive partition and a ~350GB d-drive partition
[20:47] <sense> I upgraded my mother's laptop from 12.04 to 13.04. Previously I had to manually compile the rt539sta driver for her Asus K73S laptop, but on 12.10 and 13.04, although I can still get it to compile, it causes the laptop to have a regular kernel panics. Is there anyone who knows more about getting Ralink chips to work like this in Raring?
[20:47] <mzaza> theadmin: i will suicide
[20:47] <elo19> bennypr0fane: i tried going to the right place but still waiting for an answer.... there are very few people (community is much smaller than ubuntu)....
[20:48] <benzrf> c-drive was mostly full, I left it alone. d-drive was mostly empty, I resized it to about the size of the used space in it, then created a new partition from the resulting free space
[20:48] <benzrf> I then installed ubuntu in the new partition
[20:48] <bennypr0fane> elo19 classic distro hopper's problem...
[20:48] <elo19> hopper?
[20:48] <Psycholiquid71> benzrf: is it two physical drives?
[20:48] <benzrf> no
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> benzrf run sudo fdsik -l
[20:49] <Psycholiquid71> benzrf: I can tell you fromt eh start you hosed the MBR for Windows
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> *fdisk -l
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> sorry
[20:49] <benzrf> MBR?
[20:50] <Psycholiquid71> Master Boot Record
[20:50] <benzrf> well, windows booted from the C partition, and I didn't touch it
[20:50] <benzrf> |
[20:50] <bennypr0fane> Psycholiquid71, but ubuntu installer should put  grub on the mbr, and grub should handle windows booting just fine, right?
[20:50] <onewanman> Hello Everyone  any one having Flash Player crash Firefox  21.0 Ubuntu 13.04 ??
[20:51] <Psycholiquid71> I think and I am not sure, but you have to install Ubuntu then Windows or the MBR gets all messed up
[20:51] <bennypr0fane> benzrf you have just that one harddisc, right?
[20:51] <benzrf> bennypr0fane: yes
[20:51] <elo19> bennypr0fane: i dont understand what you said
[20:52] <benzrf> right now grub does not work right, one sec while I check the error
[20:52] <chop1n> First install windows, windows is known to overwrite the boot loader
[20:52] <Morph4me> correct
[20:52] <benzrf> hold on
[20:53] <benzrf> grub sez: 'error: unknown filesystem'
[20:53] <chop1n> if you need to reinstall grub there is a way
[20:53] <benzrf> this began after booting into the windows restore utility but not using it
[20:53] <benzrf> I can currently only use the computer when booting from the install disk
[20:53] <bennypr0fane> elo19 the lacking support is very often a problem with the smaller distros. In fact, one good reason for me to leave some alone. Try a non distro specific forum like linuxquestions.org. Google for linux support, there's tons of them out there
[20:53] <x2> Hey guys, another touchpad problem incoming. Synaptic touchpad. WHen I press left button, touchpad ignores touches lower than 500-600. Which synclient option is that?
[20:54] <benzrf> I'm at the grub rescue prompt
[20:54] <bennypr0fane> benzrf is that error msg when trying to boot Ubuntu or Win?
[20:54] <benzrf> at grub
[20:54] <benzrf> when I press the power button
[20:55] <benzrf> one moment, booting from the install disc
[20:55] <bennypr0fane> reinstall grub is my best bet
[20:55] <benzrf> even before grub messed up, I couldn't use either ubuntu or windows
[20:55] <benzrf> let me recap:
[20:55] <benzrf> 1. installed ubuntu, doing repartition
[20:55] <benzrf> 2. could boot ubuntu fine
[20:55] <benzrf> 3. attempted to boot into windows, returned to post in a loop
[20:56] <benzrf> 4. attempted to boot into ubuntu, reached black screen after ubuntu loading screen disappeared
[20:56] <benzrf> black screen did not subside, had to hard reset.
[20:56] <benzrf> retried several times
[20:56] <benzrf> 5. booted into windows restore utility but did not use
[20:56] <benzrf> 6. afterward, grub does not start, complains about unknown fs
[20:57] <benzrf> can currently boot from install disk
[20:57] <Psycholiquid71> benzrf: I think this is your issue but read carefully because every case is different: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1822023
[20:57] <benzrf> looking
[20:57] <benzrf> this seems different :|
[20:58] <bennypr0fane> benzrf I would boot the live disc and do grub-install https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html
[20:58] <benzrf> wait
[20:58] <benzrf> why would trying to boot windows break my ubuntu install?
[20:58] <benzrf> windows was previously installed
[20:58] <benzrf> I did not touch its partition
[20:58] <benzrf> windows refused to boot
[20:58] <benzrf> afterward, broken ubuntu
[20:58] <bennypr0fane> benzrf it doesn't n make sense really
[20:59] <bennypr0fane> but that's hwo computers are
[20:59] <benzrf> boo hiss
[20:59] <Psycholiquid71> I would do what bennypr0fane says and try reinstalling grub
[20:59] <benzrf> :c
[20:59] <bennypr0fane> how bout that fdisk -l?
[20:59] <Psycholiquid71> it will at least get you up and running on Ubuntu to get your files off if needed
[20:59] <benzrf> buntu install disk loadin
[20:59] <zettazete__> Hey everybody I just reinstalled 13.04 and this time around Unity is not showing up.
[21:00] <neo_user> hello i am new to linux
[21:00] <chop1n> What about tryinh to sudo update-grub2 ?
[21:00] <neo_user> i have a dowloaded software package how do i install it
[21:00] <gotwig> why are the masters of the universe ignoring me?
[21:00] <bennypr0fane> neo_user is it a .deb file?
[21:01] <neo_user> its tar.gz file
[21:01] <bennypr0fane> chop1n that only makes sense if you made changes to grub before that
[21:01] <bekks> neo_user: Then you have to unpack it, and follow the build instructions in the readme provided by the author of that software package.
[21:01] <benzrf> damn slow software
[21:01] <benzrf> >:I
[21:01] <Oryx> Has anyone else noticed that the linux-headers packages for the 3.8/3.9 kernels for raring and saucy are not including a ton of header files?
[21:02] <neo_user> i ve extracted it but dunno how to use it in terminal
[21:02] <bennypr0fane> neo_user if you're actually new to linux the instructions from bekks may be a bit above your level
[21:02] <benzrf> fdisk -l shows nothing
[21:02] <x2> Is it possible to treat touchpad as a mouse in ubuntu?
[21:02] <benzrf> ._.
[21:02] <elo19> bennypr0fane: ok thanks bennypr0fane....will go now.....  ps i feel there is some awareness of (zulu) ubuntu in you, dont let it die, never let it die, that is the only hope for humanity.....
[21:02] <bennypr0fane> neo_user what exactly is in it? mabye you got .deb files in there
[21:03] <neo_user> its cisco vpn client
[21:03] <neo_user> for tunelling univ internet
[21:03] <Cyris> hey does anybody have a good tutorial for "oracle Virtualbox"? i am going to run a new ubuntu on it so i can mess around with it
[21:03] <bennypr0fane> benzrf you need to sudo it, like I said
[21:03] <Cyris> the tutorial i have is an older version
[21:03] <bennypr0fane> elo19 good luck
[21:04] <elo19> wilee-nilee: thanks to you as well for paying attention to me....
[21:04] <bekks> Cyris: The official vbox documentation ios the best tutorial you can get - and it is for the current version, 4.2.12
[21:04] <benzrf> oh derp
[21:04] <elo19> :)
[21:04] <Cyris> bekks: thanks dude
[21:04] <benzrf> alright
[21:04] <benzrf> let me paste this
[21:05] <carrera> Greetings!  :)
[21:07] <neo_user> @bennypr0fane can you help
[21:08] <bennypr0fane> neo_user I dunno what to do with that
[21:08] <carrera> The Nouveau driver crashes during install. How can I install 13.04 now that there is no more alternate edition?
[21:08] <benzrf> alright
[21:08] <benzrf> this is the fdisk -l:
[21:08] <bennypr0fane> I didn't even know you could send files over xchat! :-O
[21:08] <benzrf> cat: /home/benzrf/foo: No such file or directory
[21:08] <benzrf> aww
[21:08] <Aww> :O
[21:08] <benzrf> Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[21:08] <benzrf> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
[21:08] <benzrf> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[21:08] <benzrf> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[21:08] <benzrf> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[21:08] <FloodBot1> benzrf: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:08] <benzrf> Disk identifier: 0x76692ca8
[21:08] <aliendude5300> Is oracle java in the repositories?
[21:08] <Aww> gg
[21:08] <bekks> aliendude5300: no.
[21:08] <bekks> !java > aliendude5300
[21:09] <neo_user> benzrf can you look into the problem?
[21:09] <benzrf> neo_user: can you elaborate?
[21:09] <nottapro> What is the root password on the Live CD of ubuntu 12?
[21:09] <gotwig> please take a look at bug #1174070
[21:10] <bennypr0fane> benzrf better not paste it in the channel
[21:10] <neo_user> i ve this software to run
[21:10] <benzrf> k
[21:10] <neo_user> its cisco vpn client
[21:11] <neo_user> @benzrf...how do i install it
[21:11] <bennypr0fane> neo_user look closely where you downloaded that package from. If a pakcage comes as a tarball, there are usually instructions available for what exactly to do with it
[21:11] <benzrf> I don't knowww
[21:11] <bennypr0fane> neo_user you might have to compile it from source
[21:11] <benzrf> hellp :C
[21:11] <yeats> nottapro: there's no root password, just do 'sudo <command>'
[21:12] <nottapro> yeats: okay, thank you
[21:12] <neo_user> how do i compile from source
[21:12] <yeats> !compile | neo_user
[21:13] <neo_user> i remember it guy doing some stuff in terminal
[21:13] <neo_user> like unzippimng and then intalling
[21:13] <yeats> neo_user: what are you trying to install?
[21:13] <bennypr0fane> 1. configure, then 2. make 3 make install
[21:13] <b14d3> Multiple issues with fresh install, can't seem to get past the "Loading Operating System..." screen. Trying to install Ubuntu 12.04. Any ideas?
[21:14] <bennypr0fane> neo_user maybe give the url where u downloaded it from
[21:14] <Jordan_U> neo_user: Cisco VPN support is available in the default repositories, and configurable via network-manager.
[21:15] <yeats> !info network-manager-vpnc | neo_user
[21:15] <Jordan_U> neo_user: So ignore that tar.gz file completely, you don't need or want it.
[21:15] <neo_user> yeats and ubottu
[21:15] <bennypr0fane> Jordan_U good point. neo_user If you can find a package in your repositories, that's always recommended where to look first
[21:16] <bennypr0fane> neo_user ubottu is a bot
[21:16] <bennypr0fane> b14d3 more info please...
[21:16] <XHEART24> HI
[21:16] <XHEART24> hello
[21:16] <neo_user> how do i find in repositories
[21:16] <XHEART24> this works?
[21:17] <neo_user> i tried searching in ubuntu software center
[21:17] <bennypr0fane> ...and?
[21:17] <b14d3> bennypr0fane, What information would you like? It's a fresh install on a drive that has only ever had Ubuntu on it. Had some file system errors previously, and have since reformatted
[21:17] <bennypr0fane> b14d3 everyhting you've got
[21:17] <neo_user> and it doesnt show any options
[21:19] <b14d3> That's really about it. I've booted into a USB livecd of 12.04 and after install I can't get it to go past the Loading Operating System screen. Online I've read that it seems to be that grub isn't installed, but even after manually running the install I get the same errors.
[21:19] <neo_user> yeats and jordanu can u elaborate ur solution
[21:20] <bennypr0fane> neo_user u tried different search terms?
[21:20] <bennypr0fane> b14d3 how did you create the live usb?
[21:21] <neo_user> yes i tried cisco
[21:21] <neo_user> cisco vpn client
[21:21] <neo_user> openclient
[21:21] <bennypr0fane> did you try just vpn?
[21:21] <felon> just installed 13.04 and my display is cutoff at 4:3 1024x768, monitor not detected. using nvidia 6200
[21:22] <b14d3> I've used the USB Installer from pendrivelinux.com, with an Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop iso
[21:23] <bennypr0fane> you downloaded the iso yourself? checked the hash?
[21:23] <b14d3> Yes I downloaded the iso myself, but have not checked the hash
[21:23] <benzrf> ok guys
[21:23] <benzrf> an update:
[21:23] <jailbird> Just get
[21:23] <jailbird> Windows just works
[21:23] <benzrf> fdisk is listing my ubuntu parition as 'hidden w95 fat32 (lba)' instead of ext4 (which is what I set)
[21:24] <benzrf> could windows have done that?
[21:24] <loldog> Hello
[21:24] <benzrf> when I tried to boot into it?
[21:24] <loldog> I upgraded to 13.04
[21:24] <bekks> benzrf: ext4 is a filesystem, not a partition type.
[21:24] <benzrf> ok
[21:24] <benzrf> no
[21:24] <benzrf> it's under the 'system' column
[21:24] <loldog> Black unresponsive screen when I boot after 13.04. Can boot into a recovery terminal but startx yields same result
[21:24] <XHEART24> i have ubuntu 12.04 how can i upgrade to 13.04
[21:24] <loldog> What to do_
[21:24] <bekks> benzrf: And thats the column listing the partition types.
[21:24] <benzrf> ok
[21:24] <kijutsu> Dumb question of the moment --- I have 12.10 installed on a G5 webserver.. what can i do to prevent an upgrace to 13.04 when i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[21:24] <Dr_willis> !upgrade | XHEART24
[21:24] <jailbird> Stop the pain use windows
[21:25] <neo_user> bennrprofane i got ciso enabled vpn , i installed it but dunno where the application is to run
[21:25] <neo_user> its not in dash home
[21:25] <benzrf> what's that type then?
[21:25] <Jordan_U> benzrf: It doesn't matter what fdisk thinks it is.
[21:25] <benzrf> jailbird: which pain? the pain of something too good?
[21:25] <benzrf> Jordan_U: well, why would it list it as hidden w95 fat32 if I set it to ext4?
[21:25] <cristian_c> an other question:
[21:25] <Jordan_U> neo_user: Right click on the network manager applet.
[21:26] <cristian_c> How can I switch audio from mono to stereo?
[21:26] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[21:26] <neo_user> where is that jordan u
[21:26] <bennypr0fane> b14d3 Once I had that issue, I had mounted the iso to  the flash drive with dd. that didn't work because that image was not bootable, so grub was missing. IIRC pendrivelinux.com has instructions fir separately adding grub, I think? mayber check that
[21:26] <bekks> benzrf: The type is "Linux", the type ID is 83.
[21:27] <jailbird> benzrf: stop kidding. Windows works.  Actually still had the exact some thing happen. I am, however, currently checking the hash to make sure that is correct.
[21:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hi
[21:27] <benzrf> ToAruShiroiNeko: hi
[21:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am trying to follow http://www.hanselman.com/blog/InstallingUbuntu104LTSOnWindowsVirtualPCOnWindows7.aspx
[21:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am failing to boot to ubuntu :(
[21:28] <savio> jailbird windows sucks ask any admin
[21:28] <jailbird> benzrf: so many problems with linux
[21:28] <esing> I wonder why xdotool type won't work for entering passwords in the shell. E.g. ssh test@IP;sleep 4; xdotool type mypassword; xdotool key Return
[21:28] <Nothing_Much> Honestly, you should upgrade to 12.04 at the least ToAruShiroiNeko
[21:28] <benzrf> my formerly ext4 partition is now listed as id 1c
[21:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> okay
[21:28] <Nothing_Much> But what issues are going on?
[21:28] <benzrf> could windows have done that
[21:28] <Psycholiquid71> please dont feed the troll
[21:28] <benzrf> issue is that GRUB in it won'y work
[21:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I read "segmentation fault" on my virtual drive
[21:29] <neo_user> jordanu?   bennyproane?
[21:29] <Nothing_Much> On Windows Virtual PC?
[21:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah
[21:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> my drive is fine
[21:29] <jailbird> benzrf: you use windows.
[21:29] <savio> jailbird windows need extensive patching to keep it secure
[21:29] <benzrf> jailbird: I try not to
[21:29] <Nothing_Much> Goddammit guys, jailbird is an obvious troll, ignore him
[21:30] <bennypr0fane> b14d3 I thikn you'll have to reinstall the whole thing anyhow. try mounting the iso (if the hash is ok) with unetbootin, which automatically makes it bootable.
[21:30] <Nothing_Much> Anyways, ToAruShiroiNeko, try out Virtualbox or VMWare player
[21:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I want to do it with windows virtual pc
[21:30] <johnjohn1011> 13.04 works great in vmware player
[21:30] <kijutsu> I dont want to update to 13.04 on my webserver..how can I prevent and still maintain regular package updates?
[21:30] <Nothing_Much> I don't use Windows VPC so I'm not sure how to help you with that
[21:30] <Quest> which client is used mostly for multi ssh ?
[21:30] <neo_user> jordan U stil stuck with it
[21:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 32bit
[21:30] <jailbird> benzrf: i could load virus on linux. Your not checking. Best time to strick
[21:30] <b14d3> bennypr0fane, If you'll be online for a bit, I'll try that out and let you know what happens.
[21:30] <Jordan_U> neo_user: Top right corner of your screen.
[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have a 64bit OS though
[21:31] <Quest> rephrase: which app is used mostly for multi ssh and has most userbase with support?
[21:31] <bennypr0fane> b14d3 I dunno
[21:31] <sherox> hi guys i have a file with an unknown/hidden file type. is there a way the ls command can unhide this and make it viewable?
[21:31] <Nothing_Much> It's alright then, if you run 64, you can still have a 32 bit guest
[21:31] <jatakk> Just not the other way around
[21:31] <benzrf> jailbird: please do
[21:31] <benzrf> I could use some excitement
[21:31] <jailbird> Ubuntu is hodgepodge of garbadge
[21:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the documentation I linked talks about "Hit F6, then ESC. Then add vga=791 noreplace-paravirt at the end of the white command"
[21:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what would this do?
[21:32] <jatakk> shere_khan_: ls -a
[21:32] <benzrf> jailbird: if you /whois  benzrf, you can find my ip
[21:32] <Nothing_Much> Hmm.. a Fixed disk, try dynamic instead, there might be a problem with something like that
[21:32] <benzrf> please try to load a virus onto my system
[21:32] <benzrf> thanks :)
[21:32] <savio> jailbird http://www.pcworld.com/article/202452/why_linux_is_more_secure_than_windows.html
[21:32] <jatakk> sherox: ls -a
[21:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am trying to try ubuntu without installing rather than trying ot install
[21:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> its being strange :(
[21:32] <neo_user> jordan u do u mean i should u native vpn connection method
[21:32] <neo_user> instead of cisco
[21:32] <sherox> jatakk: so like ls -a filename ?
[21:33] <bennypr0fane> benzrf well your fstab is messed up. Ubuntu won't mount as fat32
[21:33] <Nothing_Much> ToAruShiroiNeko, switch it to a dynamic disk
[21:33] <carrera> My nvidia M360 card crashes with the Nouveau driver during install. So I used the alternate edition to install the nvidia drivers. Can anyone tell me how I can install 13.04 ?
[21:33] <shere_khan_> jatakk, why?
[21:33] <benzrf> bennypr0fane: ok. how do I set it back to being ext4?
[21:33] <jatakk> sherox: No just navigate to the directory and type "ls -a" and it'll give you all the files in that  directory
[21:33] <bekks> benzrf: The partition type does not indicate onhow it is mounted.
[21:33] <jatakk> shere_khan_: Sorry I highlighted the wrong person :P
[21:33] <bekks> bennypr0fane: ^^
[21:33] <Jordan_U> neo_user: Network manager supports Cisco VPNs, I'm not sure what you mean by "use native vpn connection method instead of cisco".
[21:34] <bennypr0fane> bekks what?
[21:34] <sherox> jatakk: the file itself is not hidden. the file extention and I need to know what file type it is
[21:34] <neo_user> oh i mean no need to use cisco client software
[21:34] <robs> join #ubuntu-br
[21:34] <bekks> bennypr0fane: The partition type does not indicate on how the filesyste on that partition is mounted.
[21:34] <jatakk> sherox: Oh, well files don't need extensions in Linuz
[21:35] <jatakk> *Linux
[21:35] <bennypr0fane> bekks correct
[21:35] <MartynKeigher2> hey all...i need a little hlep with sites-avail / sites-enbale
[21:35] <jatakk> sherox: Not sure how to find out what file type something is without opening it though
[21:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Nothing_Much dynaic disk?
[21:35] <bekks> jatakk: "file yourfile"
[21:35] <sherox> jatakk: is there a way for me to open it without knowing what program to open it in?
[21:35] <bekks> jatakk: That will tell you whats in yourfile.
[21:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you mean a dynamic virtual disk? why is the disk even relevant?
[21:36] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wouldnt ubuntu work without a drive?
[21:36] <thechef> my resolv.conf contains only <IP_ADDRESS>. That's wrong it should contain the routers address and it worked before and I didn't make any changes to the system. Why is is set to <IP_ADDRESS> - how can I fix it?
[21:36] <Nothing_Much> There's a difference between the dynamic and fixed disk, mostly performance ones
[21:36] <MartynKeigher2> i ahve my main wordpress site installed in /var/www/ and i have installed ttrss (http://tt-rss.org/redmine/projects/tt-rss/wiki) in this location  /var/www/ttrss
[21:36] <jatakk> sherox: Do what bekks said.
[21:37] <kijutsu> MartynKeigher2: I've found that using multiple sites on apache2 is easier when you put each site into it's own folder inside /var/www
[21:37] <Nothing_Much> Dynamic basically means that it's created quicker and will expand to a size if it becomes overfilled with data
[21:37] <OS-10635> guys, I run this command host -t mx google.com | cut -d" " -f7 and it returned sub.sub.domain.com. (I want to remote the . at the end of com, I can't use cut since . already exist in the same line ) how to remve the last char ?
[21:37] <kijutsu> MartynKeigher2: for exapmle... /var/www/wordpress && /var/www/ttrss
[21:37] <Quest> rephrase: which app is used mostly for multi ssh and has most userbase with support?
[21:37] <MartynKeigher2> if i go to http://lab.martynkeigher.com/ttrss  it works fine. BUT if i go to it FROM http://lab.martynkeigher.com it doesnt work.
[21:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Nothing_Much I know but I am only trying to "try ubuntu" rather than installing it, it should load itself only to memory, right?
[21:38] <MartynKeigher2> i did that INITIALLY...but it would just not work at all. therefore stuck with /var/www/ttrss
[21:38] <kijutsu> MartynKeigher2: then you will need to examine each of the files you have in sites-available to make sure the root directory lines are correct.
[21:38] <shasha> hello
[21:38] <bennypr0fane> benzrf paste your fdisk -l and your fstab to paste.ubuntu.com, give a link here, and someone will be able to look at it. Also, grub-install should fix whatever is broken there. that's all I can think of for now, gotta go
[21:39] <MartynKeigher2> so..if i did reinstall it in /var/www/ttrss, intsead if /var/www/wordpress/ttrss what do i need to do?
[21:39] <MartynKeigher2> to get it tot work?
[21:39] <shasha> what's the terminal command to start a new thread?
[21:39] <jailbitcx> Ubuntu mysql last year you could hijack your system less than a minute. Ubuntu is less secure than windows
[21:39] <kijutsu> MartynKeigher2: also -- make sure that the site url is in there under the ServerName line
[21:40] <MartynKeigher2> i think the main issue is IF i navigate to the URL from my home page...it wont work. its like i need the theme to NOT CONTROL that URL or something.
[21:40] <sherox> bekks: ok sweet. now the file is a Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data. how do I open it?
[21:40] <comodo_dragon> i want dual boot win7 and ubuntu 12.10 via USB Stick.
[21:40] <ErdMutter> Question: How might it get conky loading my network information on ubuntu 13.04 on a macbook pro 9,2?
[21:40] <MartynKeigher2> can i copy the default in sites-avail for the ttrss and modify it?
[21:40] <bekks> sherox: You have to mount it.
[21:40] <bekks> sherox: So whats that file, actually? Is it a disk image?
[21:40] <comodo_dragon> i want dual boot win7 and ubuntu 12.10 via USB Stick.
[21:41] <shasha> guys?
[21:41] <sherox> bekks: yeah
[21:41] <MartynKeigher2> k..i'll uninstall it and try this again. putting it in its own folder  /var/www/ttrss
[21:41] <MartynKeigher2> brb
[21:41] <bekks> sherox: So how was that image file created?
[21:41] <savio> comodo_dragon !dualboot
[21:41] <sherox> bekks: im not sure but it's a partial disk image dump
[21:41] <kijutsu> I'm looking to prevent a major version upgrade on my webserver.. how do I do this and still allow regular package updates?
[21:41] <Jordan_U> benzrf: Grub doesn't care about partition ids from the partition table, and nether does pretty much anything else in GNU/Linux.
[21:42] <comodo_dragon> ?
[21:42] <Jordan_U> kijutsu: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[21:42] <kijutsu> Jordan_U: 12.10
[21:42] <comodo_dragon> i want to install win7 from usb and ubuntu from SAME US.
[21:42] <comodo_dragon> i want to install win7 from usb and ubuntu from SAME USB.
[21:42] <bekks> sherox: mkdir /mnt/partial; sudo mount -o loop /path/to/yourfile /mnt/partial
[21:43] <Jordan_U> kijutsu: That was a bad choice if you wanted to go a long time without a major upgrade. If you want that, next time choose an LTS release like 12.04.
[21:43] <bekks> sherox: That tries to mount it to /mnt/partial
[21:43] <kijutsu> Jordan_U: PPC 12.04 is kinda wonky
[21:43] <Jordan_U> kijutsu: When 12.10 goes EOL you'll need to upgrade, there's no way around that.
[21:43] <kijutsu> when is 12.10 EOL expected?
[21:44] <savio> comodo_dragon u mean on same usb you want to dual boot windows and ubuntu
[21:44] <comodo_dragon> same, yes
[21:44] <Yonney> hi all, which are the main tools that can interconnect both linux, mac and windows machines with screen sharing etc.? (so that clients/servers can be installed on each side by anyone, open-source/free tools)
[21:45] <comodo_dragon> savio, yes
[21:45] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to install Python 3.2 on Ubuntu 13.04, but I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613992/
[21:45] <BlueProtoman> I had it working just fine before I upgraded last night.  Any tips?
[21:47] <sleyter> hola
[21:47] <sleyter> necesito una ayuda por favor
[21:47] <sleyter> ayudenme
[21:47] <Dr_willis> !es | sleyter
[21:47] <zqfmgb> k
[21:47] <sleyter> help me
[21:48] <Dr_willis> sleyter,  state the problem. see who can help
[21:48] <comodo_dragon> help me
[21:48] <sleyter> my problem is
[21:48] <cristina> hello i have a problem with space
[21:48] <kijutsu> Awesome... that crackhead jailbitcx is now PMing me.
[21:48] <sleyter> about my printer
[21:48] <comodo_dragon> i want install ubuntu and win7 in same USB to make install on newPC
[21:48] <zqfmgb> que necesitas?
[21:49] <sherox> bekks: you are amazing. I just navigated to the mount and its what I need. Now, there is folder that does not allow me to open it because "i don't have permission." Can I open through the shell or what should I do?
[21:49] <Dr_willis> comodo_dragon,  see if the pendrivelinux site has tools to make a bootable windows and linux usb.
[21:49] <x2> Help!
[21:49] <x2> I need somebody!
[21:49] <x2> Help!
[21:49] <x2> Not just anybody!
[21:49] <comodo_dragon> N SAME USB?
[21:49] <FloodBot1> x2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:49] <sleyter> hi
[21:49] <Dr_willis> comodo_dragon,  go look and see..
[21:49] <sleyter> can help me
[21:49] <savio> comodo_dragon http://m.voices.yahoo.com/dual-boot-usb-stick-windows-7-ubuntu-910-6056142.html
[21:49] <sleyter> ?
[21:49] <comodo_dragon> ?
[21:50] <bekks> sherox: Open a terminal, and see whether you have access permissions on that folder.
[21:50] <Dr_willis> comodo_dragon,  since making a bootable windows usb isent really a ubuntu support question..  if a tool exists id bet Pendrivelinux has it
[21:50] <sleyter> please
[21:50] <sleyter> hello
[21:50] <Dr_willis> !details
[21:50] <zqfmgb> comodo you can partition the drive into two, or dd a disk image
[21:50] <BlueProtoman> kijutsu: It's not just me?
[21:51] <kijutsu> BlueProtoman: jailbitcx?
[21:51] <BlueProtoman> kijutsu: Yes.
[21:51] <sleyter> my is printer
[21:51] <sleyter> Inactive
[21:51] <kijutsu> BlueProtoman: hate to say.. might need to get an IRCop involved to akill the user.
[21:51] <BlueProtoman> kijutsu: I've already alerted #ubuntu-ops.
[21:51] <kijutsu> BlueProtoman: hah... 'nuff said :)
[21:52] <cristina> hello i have 2 pations 1- 25 gb ...where is my home directory and another one 130 gb /boot
[21:52] <BlueProtoman> Jordan_U, thank you.
[21:52] <loldog> dpkg gets stuck at updating inframs, what to do?
[21:52] <cristina> my 25 gb is full
[21:52] <kijutsu> Jordan_U: what BlueProtoman said..I second :)
[21:52] <cristina> how to use 130 gb ?
[21:53] <BlueProtoman> Now, Python 3.2 on a newly-upgraded Ubuntu 13.04?  I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613992/
[21:53] <Jordan_U> BlueProtoman: kijutsu: You're welcome, but in the future it's best to let trolls go without comment or fanfare.
[21:53] <Dr_willis> cristian_c,  130gb for /boot/ is a little extreme/ You normally dont need a boot partion these days
[21:54] <sherox> bekks: i do not have access permissions to that. I tried sudo cd and sudo ls but neither worked
[21:54] <BlueProtoman> Jordan_U: Right, yes, silly me.
[21:54] <kijutsu> Jordan_U: he was PMing us both sadly.  I hit /ignore and whomever it was decided to jump nicks and go there and continuing PM bombing.
[21:54] <sleyter> hi
[21:54] <sleyter> help me please
[21:54] <BlueProtoman> I didn't even know webchat.freenode had /ignore.
[21:55] <sleyter> i have 1 problem with my printer
[21:55] <bekks> sherox: Did it even mount correctly?
[21:55] <savio> cristian_c use gpart for repartion
[21:55] <savio> cristian_c from live cd
[21:55] <sherox> bekks: yeah I even looked at the contents of another folder that didn't have access permissions
[21:55] <bekks> sherox: Looking into a folder doesnt answer my previous question. :)
[21:56] <knoppix> moin :)
[21:56] <neo_user> thanks you jordan_u
[21:56] <neo_user> its worked
[21:56] <bekks> sherox: Please pastebin the output of: "df -h" and "dmesg".
[21:56] <Dr_willis> sleyter,  give the channel details of the printer type and the problem.
[21:56] <neo_user> also thanks to bennyprofane and all others
[21:57] <sherox> bekks: the file the mounted in /mnt/partial/ had 2 folders. one had pics and files, the other had access permissions so I could not view its contents. It did mount correctly I'm sure
[21:57] <bekks> sherox: So which permissions does that folder have?
[21:58] <kyuubi> hello, i need help. im dual booting win 7 and ubuntu. win 7 boots up fine but when i try to boot up ubuntu it goes to grub4dos. any help or suggestions?
[21:58] <sherox> bekks: well there are two folders total. one I can assume that I have full, and the other does not even let me open it
[21:59] <bekks> sherox: So which permissions does that folder have?
[21:59] <zqfmgb> kyuubi - try rescatux
[21:59] <Dr_willis> kyuubi,  how did you install ubuntu? Grub4dos  is not part of ubuntu last i looked
[21:59] <jmnoz> something seems to be setting my default font in Emacs to "Ubuntu Mono", Where can I change this?
[21:59] <sherox> bekks: how can I check?
[21:59] <bekks> sherox: Just run ls -lha in the folder above the one you dont have access to.
[22:00] <bitcx> Hello
[22:00] <esulu> ciao a tutti
[22:00] <sherox> bekks: ls: cannot open directory /mnt/partial/lost+found: Permission denied
[22:00] <Dr_willis> sherox,  lost+found is a special folder owned by root. so thats normal
[22:01] <kyuubi> dr_willis i made a bootable flash drive and installed it. then when i rebooted it went straight to windows. so i used EasyBCD to add ubuntu to add to the boot menu. when i select it, it goes to grub4. right now, i reformated it and installed linux mint, and the same thing is occuring
[22:01] <bekks> sherox: ls -l /mnt/partial/lost\+found
[22:01] <Loshki> jmnoz: does M-x set-default-font work for you?
[22:01] <sherox> bekks: lost+found is the folder name that is totally unrelated to my pc
[22:01] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub | kyuubi
[22:01] <jmnoz> Loshki: nope, it's modified outside of customize
[22:01] <sleyter> inactiva-Filter failed
[22:01] <bekks> sherox: Thats normal. that folder contains lost file fragments after a filesystem crash and recovery.
[22:01] <Dr_willis> kyuubi,  you should reinstall the grub bootloader.  reformating a filesystem will not erase the bootloader
[22:02] <sleyter> what is? inactiva-Filter failed
[22:02] <sherox> bekks: I still get permission denied
[22:02] <kyuubi> dr willis do i run that in grub4?
[22:02] <Loshki> jmnoz: something in your ~/.emacs ?
[22:02] <jmnoz> Loshki: no
[22:02] <bekks> sherox: So do you expect to find files in there?
[22:02] <sherox> bekks: yes
[22:03] <Dr_willis> kyuubi,  the urls the bot gave above detail how to reinstall grub.  a live cd+ the boot-repair tool is the normal way
[22:03] <Jordan_U> kyuubi: There is no such thing as grub4, there is only GRUB4DOS (which we don't support here).
[22:03] <jmnoz> Loshki: and not in Xresources
[22:03] <bekks> sherox: Then get a root shell by using sudo -i and access that folder.
[22:03] <Jordan_U> kyuubi: GRUB4DOS was added by EasyBCD, and you should use EasyBCD to remove it.
[22:03] <kyuubi> ok. thank you both. im brand new to linux in general.
[22:04] <sherox> bekks: so sudo -i cd /mnt/partial/lost+found ?
[22:04] <bekks> sherox: No. Just sudo -i
[22:04] <bekks> sherox: Then you will have a shell with root privileges and you can access that folder
[22:05] <SrPx> Hey guys. Is there a good guide/reference for learning linux commands the right way? Something that explains (briefly!) important concepts such as piping |, this: >> (whatever it is), etc., and lists the most important commands?
[22:05] <Loshki> jmnoz: what about emacs -q ?
[22:05] <sherox> bekks: perfect thank you
[22:06] <Dr_willis> SrPx,  look for the Bash books by Oreially (sp?)   'using bash' i think is the name. ;)
[22:06] <jmnoz> Loshki: "Ubuntu Mono"
[22:06] <SrPx> Dr_willis: thanks!
[22:07] <savio> SrPx try something on linux os book that might help
[22:13] <h0mophobe> Its like scratching a grizzly bears azz in a phonebooth
[22:14] <h0mophobe> So what
[22:17] <Loshki> jmnoz: can you run the debugger and see who is calling set-default-font? Also, can you put a call to set-default-font at the end of your .emacs as a workaround
[22:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Nothing_Much I pmed you back :)
[22:21] <Arpad2> from Software Center I installed Steam, but it fail to launch
[22:22] <b14d3> Still having an issue where, after a fresh install, my machine gets stuck at the "Loading Operating System ..." screen.
[22:23] <sleyter> hola podrian ayudarme a solucionar un problema por favor
[22:23] <Dr_willis> !es | sleyter
[22:23] <b14d3> Unfortunately I've long since reached the end of my Ubuntu knowledge, I have recreated the liveusb, reformatted repeatedly, and every time I get this same error. I have tried installing grub manually and even that hasn't worked. I'm not sure what else to pursue in this case.
[22:24] <Jordan_U> b14d3: Do you have more than one hard drive? Is this a BIOS based or UEFI based boot firware machine?
[22:24] <b14d3> Jordan_U, I do have more than one hard drive, and this is a bios based machine
 entre al foro en español y nadie sabe
[22:25] <Dr_willis> No Hablo
[22:25] <sleyter> please help me
[22:26] <Dr_willis> sleyter,  state the issue. In english por favore.
[22:27] <Jordan_U> b14d3: It's likely then that your BIOS is trying to boot from a different drive than you expect, one with a broken bootloader in its MBR.
[22:27] <b14d3> I haven't actually looked into that yet, somehow. Slipped my mind. Working on that now Jordan_U
[22:28] <sleyter> my problem is about my printer lexmark Interpret S409
[22:30] <Dr_willis> !printing
[22:31] <Dr_willis> sleyter,  chat in here.. and give details if you want help.. we dont like playing 20 questions to get to the real problem.
[22:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko> what would vga=791 noreplace-paravirt do in boot options?
[22:34] <Dr_willis> vga= sets the res of the framebuffer i thought.. but i thoight that method was no longer used.
[22:34] <sleyter> the printer is already installed what happens is that it has an error: Inactive Filter-failed
[22:35] <kijutsu> ToAruShiroiNeko: VGA= sets the framebuffer in a console.. unsure on noreplace-paravirt..appears to be used on virtual machines to make the kernel realize its working on a virtual machine..beyond that i dont know
[22:36] <jmnoz> Loshki: Thanks, will try those things.
[22:38] <Loshki> jmnoz: if that doesn't work, try #emacs next.  Worked like a charm. It was pointed to the wrong hd and I didn't catch it. Thank you!
[22:44] <Jordan_U> b14d3: You're welcome :)
[22:45] <Loshki> b14d3: Jordan_U: I find http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/ really useful for (some) boot problems....
[22:46] <Macuser> How come when I rebooted to finish installing Ubuntu 13.04 from 12.04 I got the CLI?
[22:47] <ubh> please, instruct me and explain (or give links to explanations and docs) the differences of this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614173/
[22:48] <zonk1024> Macuser: Check grub to make sure it doesn't say text. http://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode
[22:48] <ubh> "Desktop" and "Netbook" are pretty clear, the others?
[22:48] <Dr_willis> ubh,  there is no longer a netbook ubuntu release
[22:48] <Dr_willis> Desktop is what most people want for a  non server machine
[22:49] <ubh> Dr_willis:  In terminal, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614173/
[22:49] <Dr_willis> ubh,  you could tell us more details/ like what you are actually trying to acomplish..  Not just giving out pastebins
[22:49] <Macuser> zonk1024: to make it CLI would I change it to "quiet splash text" or "text" ?
[22:50] <tgm4883> Dr_willis, I think kubuntu does have a specific netbook package
[22:50] <zonk1024> Macuser: if text is there then X11 won't load... Leaving you on the CLI.
[22:50] <ubh> Dr_willis: help me choose the version, 'cause I cannot understand what "Low Fat" and "Active" actually means
[22:50] <Macuser> what does X11 provide?
[22:50] <Dr_willis> tgm4883,  theres a desktop/netbook mode for the gui   - Lubuntu has one also.
[22:50] <tgm4883> ubh, you can find the differences in those packages by doing 'apt-cache show <PACKAGENAME>'
[22:50] <Macuser> and would I not get a prompt without x11?
[22:50] <jess10> trying to install ubuntu. changed boot priority to odd is bios, but still goes straight to win8. help
[22:51] <jess10> in*
[22:51] <Dr_willis> Macuser,  X11 is the foundation of the GUI desktop
[22:51] <Macuser> Dr_willis: would I keep quiet splash?
[22:51] <Macuser> if I wanted the CLI
[22:52] <MGMT> Can someone steer me in the right direction?  I have uefi with windows 7 and I installed ubuntu 13.04.  Ubuntu is the only grub option that works.  Is there a grub repair package?  How do I make it so I can choose windows at startup without getting errors?
[22:52] <ubh> tgm4883: Yesss! You're tha boss! You understand what I was looking for!!! :D
[22:52] <ubh> tgm4883: c00l!
[22:52] <zqfmgb> reinstall grub
[22:52] <tgm4883> ubh, yw
[22:52] <zonk1024> Macuser: quiet splash is for what shows up during the boot process
[22:53] <zqfmgb> MGMT: boot into Ubuntu then reinstall grub
[22:53] <Macuser> ok
[22:53] <hanasaki> just upgraded to raring... the amd ati driver fglx says it supports the HD 3200 however when starting X it says it cannot find any drivers for the hardware
[22:53] <tgm4883> !grub
[22:53] <MGMT> zqfmgb:  its not really grub, its that uefi works different than the old bios menthods
[22:53] <ubh> tgm4883: there's a grammaticalkubuntu-settings-active error
[22:53] <hanasaki> how do I get support for VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780 [Radeon HD 3200]
[22:53] <hanasaki> ?
[22:53] <ubh> tgm4883: *there's a grammatical error
[22:53] <zqfmgb> I believe it's sudo install-grub --reinstall
[22:53] <tgm4883> ubh, what does that mean?
[22:53] <zqfmgb> then run sudo update-grub
[22:54] <MGMT> zqfmgb:  I'll try that and *cross fingers*  hope it works.
[22:54] <MGMT> brb
[22:54] <tgm4883> hanasaki, I'd be surprised if that wasn't supported by the open source drivers
[22:54] <ubh> tgm4883: nothing really bad! :D http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614193/
[22:54] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  it is.. but perf is like 50 instead of about 600 as it was before in the ati drive
[22:54] <hanasaki> driver
[22:55] <darthanubis> >> clnt_create: RPC: Unknown host
[22:55] <tgm4883> ubh, ah, you can file a bug against the package at launchpad
[22:55] <darthanubis> trying to use autofs
[22:55] <ubh> tgm4883: ?
[22:55] <tgm4883> ubh, I think you can just do 'ubuntu-bug <packagename>'
[22:55] <darthanubis> Google has plenty apage with this issue, but no answers for ubuntu
[22:55] <ubh> tg
[22:55] <malimbar> 13.04 upgrade woes - somehow the movie player no longer works
[22:55] <ubh> tgm4883: lemme try
[22:55] <zqfmgb> ah that's right
[22:56] <MGMT> zqfmgb:  the update-grub command looks like it did something.  The reinstall command told me that wasn't the right command.  I'll try a restart and hope that worked
[22:57] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  thoughts?
[22:57] <tgm4883> hanasaki, sec
[22:57] <tgm4883> hanasaki, did you take a look in the additional drivers tool?
[22:58] <clarkm> I have a disk giving me I/O errors. Should I try to back it up before running e2fsck / badblocks, or can I wait until after and hope some blocks get fixed?
[22:58] <zqfmgb> MGMT: gl
[22:58] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  which?    http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/dh-modaliases    is not actually in the pacakge debhelper
[22:58] <MGMT> zqfmgb Thanks!
[22:58] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  how to get to the additional drivers tool?
[22:58] <tgm4883> !drivers | hanasaki
[22:58] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:58] <Sagitt> i've installed the xubuntu-desktop
[22:58] <hanasaki> !drivers
[22:58] <zqfmgb> backup
[22:58] <Sagitt> now how i can change the startup splascreen?
[22:58] <tgm4883> hanasaki, it's in "software and updates"
[22:58] <tgm4883> hanasaki, there is a tab for additional drivers
[22:58] <hanasaki> ubottu: Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> Sagitt, Have you rebooted to see if it is different?
[22:59] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  synaptic?
[22:59] <Sagitt> yes now is xubuntu splashscreen
[22:59] <tgm4883> hanasaki, no, open up the unity dash and type "drivers"
[22:59] <ubh> bye!
[22:59] <Jordan_U> clarkm: If there are a few very important (and preferably small) files that you can still access, then mount read only and copy them out first.
[22:59] <Dr_willis> Sagitt,  theres different Pymouth themes in the repos you can use
[22:59] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  I am in kde
[23:00] <Jordan_U> clarkm: Do not run fsck on a failing drive.
[23:00] <tgm4883> hanasaki, hmm
[23:00] <tgm4883> hanasaki, do you have jockey?
[23:00] <tgm4883> !jockey
[23:00] <clarkm> Jordan_U: ok, I'll kill e2fsck then.
[23:00] <Jordan_U> clarkm: Do you have enough room on another drive for a full image of the failing drive?
[23:00] <hanasaki> tgm4883:   its under kde "software & updates"
[23:01] <clarkm> Yes, I can back it up to the machine.
[23:01] <hanasaki> jockey-text
[23:01] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  Additional Drivers
[23:01] <hanasaki> Searching for available drivers...
[23:01] <hanasaki> no output
[23:01] <tgm4883> hanasaki, hmm
[23:01] <MGMT> When I tried to restart into windows it said error:  invalid EFI file path
[23:01] <clarkm> Should I use rsync to copy the files over, or how to recommend doing this?
[23:02] <tgm4883> hanasaki, probably no drivers that support that anymore
[23:02] <Jordan_U> clarkm: Then (optionally after trying to grab a few important files) use GNU ddrescue to make a full image backup of the drive (or of just the partition if you want, either way works) then run fsck against that image when it's done.
[23:02] <tgm4883> hanasaki, let me check the amd site
[23:03] <clarkm> Jordan_U: I dropped my laptop, then it reported I/O errors on boot, so I used a livecd and ran fsck which reported no errors.
[23:03] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  from the X log...   ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics,
[23:03] <tgm4883> hanasaki, looks like support for it was dropped.  http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware#Older_RadeonHD_.28Catalyst_Legacy_13.1_.26_Open_Source.29
[23:03] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  from the lspci   VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780 [Radeon HD 3200]
[23:03] <clarkm> So I started running e2fsck -c, which is about 20% done and has already found 50 badblocks.
[23:03] <tgm4883> hanasaki, I'm not sure where to find the legacy drivers, but it looks like you'll need to install the drivers directly from amd
[23:04] <clarkm> Did I possibly damage the drive already?
[23:04] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  what I pasted looks like it should be supported
[23:04] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  from the page you gave.. looks supported .. yes?  * RS780       Radeon HD 3100/3200/3300
[23:05] <tgm4883> hanasaki, where does it say that?
[23:05] <hanasaki> which one?
[23:05] <tgm4883> hanasaki, yes, that is in the legacy driver
[23:05] <Jordan_U> clarkm: If the drive is failing, which it most likely is, then each read and write you do is likely to make it fail further.
[23:05] <loldog> How do I remove the unity crap?
[23:05] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  define legacy?
[23:05] <tgm4883> hanasaki, I can't. I don't work for AMD :)
[23:06] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  what I pasted is from the X logs..
[23:06] <hanasaki> lol true tgm4883
[23:06] <Jordan_U> !notunity | loldog Please watch your language, but:
[23:06] <tgm4883> hanasaki, whatever they mean by legacy, is where your drivers are for that card
[23:06] <Dr_willis> loldog,  what do you want to use instead? and tone down the attitude.
[23:06] <loldog> Dr_willis: Normal plain gnome with working F2 without this windows 8 panel
[23:07] <tgm4883> loldog, how about XFCE?
[23:07] <tgm4883> !xubuntu | loldog
[23:07] <Dr_willis> loldog,  gnome2 is dead. theres falback modes for  an gnome-2ish look..
[23:07] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  btw,, the amd download does not build on rarey.. it says it needs dh-modalias
[23:07] <Rodrigo> I have a question. In Ubuntu you can't change the mouse cursor without some tweaks, in Ubuntu-Gnome you can't change the title bar of windows. Just upgraded to Ubuntu 13.04 and HDMI sound is not working. My question is whey there are so many bugs? Isn't the system tested before the release?
[23:07] <tgm4883> hanasaki, did you install that?
[23:07] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  it won't build
[23:07] <tgm4883> hanasaki, I literally just built the 13.4 driver on raring 2 minutes ago
[23:07] <clarkm> Jordan_U: ok, that makes sense -- do I just run a ddrescue over ssh, or is there some way to have it work incrementally (in case of dropped connection, etc)?
[23:07] <loldog> Dr_willis: All I want is to remove the ALT+F2 b0rk the screen-hide-everything stuff and get rid of that line taking half the screen with icons and ads I never need
[23:07] <tgm4883> hanasaki, I'm installing for my 7600m right now
[23:08] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  how do I double check the version I am on?
[23:08] <loldog> How do I install unity-tweaker?
[23:08] <tgm4883> hanasaki, the ubuntu version?
[23:08] <tgm4883> loldog, use xubuntu, it's probably exactly what you are looking for
[23:08] <Dr_willis> loldog,  No idea what you mean by alt-f2 bork. and theres alternativge desktops in the repos if you want somthing totally differnt
[23:08] <Dr_willis> and again.. enough ranting
[23:08] <Jordan_U> clarkm: If you use a log file (which you always should) then you can continue at any point, though to be more convenient you might also want to run ddrescue in a screen/tmux session.
[23:09] <loldog> Dr_willis: I want normal gnome. When I press ALT + F2 now it greys out the screen the same way gksu does.
[23:09] <tgm4883> hanasaki, the drivers should say what release they are in the filename.
[23:09] <Dr_willis> loldog,  as i said. thers a gnome-2 fallback theme.
[23:09] <basiclas_> hi guys :)
[23:09] <aidan___> hi, im trying to partition some left over space on my 2tb drive
[23:09] <Dr_willis> !nounity
[23:09] <loldog> Dr_willis: howto install?
[23:09] <tgm4883> loldog, gnome 2 is no longer developed
[23:09] <aidan___> but /dev/sda doesnt exist?
[23:09] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | MGMT
[23:09] <basiclas_> hi guys :)
[23:09] <loldog> I dont mind gnome3, I just dont want the side thing
[23:10] <loldog> and normal windows
[23:10] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  yes ubuntu ver
[23:10] <tgm4883> hanasaki, 'lsb_release -a'
[23:10] <tgm4883> hanasaki, but I've done this on 12.04 and 12.10 too, so it should work
[23:10] <Jordan_U> aidan___: How are you trying to "partition some left over space"? Why do you expect the device name to be /dev/sda?
[23:10] <darthanubis> key ".hidden" not found in map source(s).
[23:10] <hanasaki> 13.04 raring
[23:10] <loldog> I dont get why anyone would want to use half their screen for amazon ads.
[23:10] <tgm4883> hanasaki, what error are you getting
[23:10] <Dr_willis> loldog,  use gnome-shell then if you want gnome3.   gnome3.8 has its own gnome-2ish mode
[23:11] <hanasaki> tgm  but /etc/motd says ... New release '13.04' available.
[23:11] <tgm4883> loldog, that's not a support question
[23:11] <loldog> Dr_willis: apt-get install gnome-shell?
[23:11] <Dr_willis> loldog,  i really dont know what you mean.. i dont have half my screen being ads..
[23:11] <tgm4883> hanasaki, motd probably hasn't been updated
[23:11] <aidan___> Jordan_U: its an OVH dedicated server, there /dev/sda[1,2,3] exist, but i expected /dev/sda to exist adn to be the actual disk
[23:11] <loldog> Dr_willis: and it will give me proper alt + f2?
[23:11] <Dr_willis> and its rather trivial to disable the adslens
[23:11] <loldog> I dont want any lenses
[23:11] <Dr_willis> loldog,  no idwa what you mean by 'proper'  alt-f2 works fine for me
[23:11] <Dr_willis> loldog,  fire up the package manager and remoe them then.
[23:11] <loldog> If I wanted lenses I could use windows 8, it has lenses all over the place.
[23:12] <Dr_willis> I think you are confused as to what lenses do in ubuntu.
[23:12] <dzend> hi guys :)
[23:12] <darthanubis> autofs is not working for me
[23:12] <loldog> Dr_willis: Probably. I just want it to be like in 7.10...
[23:12] <tgm4883> loldog, xubuntu
[23:13] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  wait.. building
[23:13] <Dr_willis> loldog,  so once again.. if you want the old gnome2 look. use one of the gnome fallback/classic mode options mentioned above....
[23:13] <loldog> tgm4883: But making xfce be like ubuntu is a pain, how do I get mouseover typing and scrolling in xfce?
[23:13] <tgm4883> loldog, it's commonly thought that xubuntu give the most gnome2 like experience
[23:13] <basiclas_> hey guys can any of you check out a laptop for me ? Im going to buy it but i want to know if ill have any EFI trouble when i try to install ubuntu :) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASUS-X401A-Intel-Dual-Core-4GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-Super-Slim-14-inch-Laptop-/251207258292?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item3a7d1e90b4
[23:13] <tgm4883> loldog, IDK, I use Unity :)
[23:13] <Dr_willis> I just use lubuntu for an olkd skool look
[23:13] <darthanubis> key ".hidden" not found in map source(s).?
[23:13] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  odd... amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64 says ..   Uncompressing AMD Catalyst(TM) Proprietary Driver-<IP_ADDRESS>  versions don't match
[23:14] <loldog> tgm4883: Why? I can't imagine the use, the icons distracts me. It is like having someone having a seizure next to me.
[23:14] <Jordan_U> aidan___: Since you're withing a virtual machine, and that virtual machine is passing the OS paravirtualized IO devices rather than an emulated SATA disk or similar, you'll need to ask your hosting provider how to re-allocate space on these virtual devices.
[23:14] <aidan___> Jordan_U: its a dedicated server, not virtual :/
[23:14] <tgm4883> hanasaki, yea that is a bit confusing. 13.1 is the release version, <IP_ADDRESS> is the driver version
[23:14] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  error .. fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers.  /lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/build/include/linux/version.h
[23:14] <clarkm> Jordan_U: Ok, from my tmux'd ssh session i'll do something like: ddrescue /dev/sda1 -- | ssh me@backuphost 'cat ~/sda1backup.img' Does that look good?
[23:14] <Jordan_U> aidan___: That's hard to believe.
[23:14] <tgm4883> loldog, some of us aren't limited by our lack of imagination
[23:15] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  where did you get the 13.4?
[23:15] <tgm4883> hanasaki, you'll need the kernel headers. I think the package it 'linux-headers-generic'
[23:15] <tgm4883> hanasaki, http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[23:15] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  I have the headers already.. that is the messed up part
[23:15] <loldog> tgm4883: the menu taking ALL the screens is also pointless
[23:16] <basiclas_> any hardware wizards in here? i need help please :D
[23:16] <tgm4883> hanasaki, do you have the right header version?
[23:16] <aidan___> Jordan_U: i dont know how i can prove it? haha
[23:16] <Jordan_U> clarkm: No, because it doesn't include a log file. If you really can't save the file locally it's probably easiest to use sshfs. Do you have enough bandwidth to make this backup in a reasonable amount of time?
[23:16] <tgm4883> loldog, something about one mans trash...
[23:16] <hanasaki> odd.. tgm4883 I downloaded the latest... I thought but got 13.1
[23:17] <Dr_willis> yea. its better to keep most of the screen unused instead of having it all used. ;)
[23:17] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  yes.. I have linux-headers-3.8.0-19  and -generic that match the uname -a
[23:17] <Jordan_U> aidan___: Please pastebin the contents of /proc/partitions and /proc/mounts, and the output of "sudo parted -l".
[23:17] <tgm4883> hanasaki, odd. It might be that it's looking for them in one location but they are installed somewhere else. Copy that error message into google
[23:18] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  came from this diff url   http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/legacy-radeon_linux.aspx
[23:18] <tgm4883> Dr_willis, I have all of my windows only take the left 10% of my screen so I can see my background. Because that is by far the most important part ;)
[23:18] <matiu> I'm in the ubuntu install, and I need to ifconfig but the busybox doesn't have it. Any idea on an alternative route I can take ?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> aidan___: Also, the output of "ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/".
[23:19] <loldog> XFCE is better
[23:19] <Guest61636> !lista
[23:19] <Dr_willis> matiu,  why are you using busybox?
[23:19] <Jordan_U> matiu: Why do you need to use ifconfig before mounting your root filesystem?
[23:19] <loldog> How do I get ubuntu 13.04?
[23:19] <aidan___> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614261/
[23:19] <Dr_willis> loldog,  download the iso, install it.. is the normal way
[23:19] <clarkm> Jordan_U: The dying machine is a laptop on the same gigabit network. I've booted it with a livecd and am connected to it via ssh from this machine. I want to dump its contents on this computer's harddrive, so I guess I'll use sshfs(?)
[23:19] <matiu> Jordan_U and Dr_willis, I'm installing ubuntu as a xenserver guest.
[23:20] <loldog> Dr_willis: I thought I dist-upgraded, but my login-screen says 12.10
[23:20] <MGMT> I was able to make it so I can boot into windows now, but I have two options in my grub that dont do anything.  Also I can't get to the recovery partition for windows7
[23:20] <Dr_willis> loldog,  dist-upgrade does NOT upgrade to a newer release
[23:20] <Dr_willis> !upgrade | loldog
[23:20] <Jordan_U> aidan___: And just to confirm, "ls -l /dev/sda".
[23:20] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  if the chip is on the mobo.. its embedded?
[23:20] <aidan___> I wont pastebin this one: ls: cannot access /dev/sda: No such file or directory
[23:20] <aidan___> Jordan_U: ^
[23:20] <loldog> Dr_willis: what? SOOO confusing
[23:20] <Guest91600> hello everyone, anybody get pylotro to work with the newest wine yet?
[23:20] <Guest61636> !addon
[23:20] <tgm4883> hanasaki, where are you seeing that?
[23:21] <MGMT> the boot-repair program gave me this link for debugging.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614227/
[23:21] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  on the ati website for selecting drivers
[23:21] <Dr_willis> loldog,  whats confuseing? dist-upgrade does not upgrade to the new release.. it does not go from 12.x to 13.x thats not its job.
[23:21] <Guest61636> !addon
[23:21] <Guest61636> !addon
[23:21] <Jordan_U> aidan___: It's interesting that sda is listed in /proc/partitions.
[23:21] <tgm4883> hanasaki, I'd need to see the context
[23:21] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autofs/+bug/1050021
[23:21] <loldog> Dr_willis: weird
[23:21] <bmomjian> Since upgrading Ubuntu 12.04 to Firefox 20, some Youtube videos perpetually stall on playback;  is this a known problem or is there a known solution?  I tried removing .mozilla/ to start firefox with default settings, but the problem is the same;  I see this on multiple Ubuntu laptops.
[23:22] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  its on this page http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[23:22] <Jordan_U> aidan___: "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/"
[23:22] <Dr_willis> bmomjian,  try setting youtube to use html5 instead of flash perhaps?
[23:23] <aidan___> Jordan_U: ls: cannot access /dev/disk/by-id/: No such file or directory
[23:23] <tgm4883> hanasaki, no, embedded graphics is probably talking about ARM type stuff
[23:23] <hanasaki> ah
[23:23] <aidan___> Jordan_U: There is by-uuid though
[23:23] <bmomjian> Dr_willis: uh, how do I do that?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> aidan___: No, I really did want by-id. It will normally show the manufacturer and serial number of the drives.
[23:25] <Guest91600> anyone know how to make pylotro work in wine 1.5.29?
[23:25] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  selectign the on the mobo drivers gives v13.1
[23:25] <hanasaki> no 13.4
[23:25] <Jordan_U> aidan___: What type of drive is this and how is it connected?
[23:25] <Dr_willis> Guest91600,  whats pyltor ?
[23:25] <Guest61636> !lista
[23:25] <Guest61636> !lista
[23:25] <Guest91600> it's the program that males lord of the rings online work
[23:26] <aidan___> Jordan_U: Im not too sure to be honest, OVH don't really give that info out.
[23:26] <hanasaki> tgm4883:  so this is the only file
[23:26] <loldog> Dr_willis: This is still a ALPHA release. Do not install it on production machines.
[23:26] <bmomjian> Dr_willis: I am enrolling in the html5 program
[23:26] <loldog> Dr_willis: raring ringtail is alpha?
[23:26] <Dr_willis> Guest91600,  Hmm.. last i used LOTRO in wine.. it dident need that.. a few years back it did..  You did check the wine app database on the game? ive not played it in like a year
[23:26] <Guest61636> !lista
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Guest61636: Please stop.
[23:26] <Dr_willis> loldog,  it was released on the 25th. so No.
[23:26] <aidan_> Jordan_U: I can always reinstall ubuntu and partition it through their interface, i was just more curious than anything to why /dev/sda isnt there
[23:26] <loldog> Dr_willis: Thanks for your interest in this development release of Ubuntu. The Ubuntu developers are moving very quickly to bring you the absolute latest and greatest software the Open Source Community has to offer. This development release brings you a taste of the newest features for the next version of Ubuntu.
[23:27] <Guest91600> yeah I tried it with winetricks and without but the update broke it
[23:27] <loldog> Dr_willis: That is what my update manager says about it
[23:27] <Dr_willis> loldog,  it was reelased on the 25th - as in like 3 days ago.. its not alpha or beta//
[23:28] <Jordan_U> aidan_: There is something odd about these "drives", and I've only seen this type of thing with paravirtualization. They may have given you a machine with a hypervisor that's only running your VM, but I'm pretty sure you're not running on bare metal.
[23:28] <vong_> hi
[23:28] <loldog> Dr_willis: Maybe the norwegian thing is outdated?
[23:28] <hanasaki> how do I get this installed on 13.04?   dhhelper is alr3eady installed make: dh_modaliases: Command not found
[23:29] <aidan_> Jordan_U: That would definitely make sense to how they can easily re-deploy os's/etc.  Is there a way to check that sort of thing within the OS?
[23:29] <Jordan_U> clarkm: Yes, I would use sshfs. Do you need help getting sshfs setup?
[23:30] <Guest91600> I posted on wine forums and ubuntu forums, I guess now I just gotta wait
[23:30] <Arpad2> hi
[23:31] <Dr_willis> Guest91600,  you did check the wine app database? and the #winehq channel?
[23:31] <Guest91600> it would be so much easier if someone would just make an entry into plays on linux for lotro and ddo
[23:31] <Arpad2> my audio is  gone, no sound at all. pls could smb give a help ?
[23:31] <bmomjian> Dr_willis: switched Youtube to HTML5, verified the change by right-clicking on the video;  same problem
[23:31] <Dr_willis> Never really needed to use Play OnLinux
[23:32] <clarkm> Jordan_U: Do I attempt to mount the faliing HDD via sshfs? Because I thought ddrescue didn't want anything mounted
[23:32] <Dr_willis> bmomjian,  paste one of the problem urls here for others to verify perhaps
[23:32] <Guest91600> I haven't either cause I don't play any of the games on it
[23:33] <Jordan_U> aidan_: On a systemd bases system you could use systemd-detect-virt, and that has to get its information from somewhwer, so yes it's possible.
[23:33] <Jordan_U> clarkm: No.
[23:33] <bmomjian> thanks
[23:34] <aidan_> Jordan_U: Cool :) well thanks for your help, very informative
[23:34] <Jordan_U> clarkm: First, to make discussion easier, we have the dying laptop and what is the other machine (the one you want to back up to)? What do you want to call it?
[23:34] <clarkm> desktop
[23:34] <bmomjian> this one is very bad, stops at 2 seconds: http://youtu.be/EGVWWsxvh_Y
[23:35] <bmomjian> I am on a 50 Mbs pipe, so it can't be performance
[23:35] <clarkm> I can mount laptop:/dev/sda1 (dying hdd) to desktop:/media/dying via sshfs then backup desktop:/media/dying to desktop:~/backup.img using ddrescue
[23:36] <clarkm> And I'll include a logfile :)
[23:37] <bekks> clarkm: using sshfs, you cant run dd to access the raw device.
[23:37] <Jordan_U> aidan_: Running "lspci" and looking at the brand of certain devices might give you a hint.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> dding a sshfs mounted server would be a neat trick
[23:37] <Jordan_U> clarkm: No. Don't mount anything on the dying HD, period.
[23:37] <clarkm> bekks: Ah, ok -- yeah, ddrescue didn't want to take a remote host as an output file either :P
[23:38] <clarkm> Jordan_U: ok, I won't.
[23:38] <Jordan_U> clarkm: Use sshfs on the laptop to mount a directory from your Desktop.
[23:38] <clarkm> ohh, ok. That makes sense.
[23:38] <Dr_willis> you  should be able to use sshfs and a live cd, to ddrescue a hd to a image file to a network machine
[23:38] <clarkm> I was thinking backward.
[23:38] <Dr_willis> dont forget to use the logfile option for ddrescue ;)
[23:40] <clarkm> It's times like this that I'm mad that I have an encrypted home dir.
[23:40] <Dr_willis> one of the many reasons i dont use those fancy options
[23:41] <Silic0n> Anyone know how to get vmware to find linux headers?
[23:42] <bmomjian> The video debug windows shows the TagStreamPlayer often at 0 kps;  I have reported the issue again to Youtube.
[23:42] <bekks> Silic0n: which vmware?
[23:42] <Silic0n> vmware 9
[23:43] <xub69> Dr_willis, clarkm , the single private folder makes more sense to me, ecryptfs-setup-private
[23:43] <bekks> Silic0n: do you mean "VMware Workstation 9.0"?
[23:43] <Silic0n> yes
[23:43] <Dr_willis> bmomjian,  i tend to use the various flash-downloader extensons to just download the things
[23:43] <excelsiora> what's up? Now that i've installed 13.4, what are the implications of doing sudo apt-get upgrade?
[23:43] <bekks> Silic0n: Then you have to patch the installer or use a kernel providing the specific headers.
[23:43] <Dr_willis> excelsiora,  upgrade? that will   just upgrade the system.
[23:43] <clarkm> xub69: yeah, I should've done that.
[23:43] <bekks> Silic0n: I'd just use VirtualBox instead.
[23:43] <bmomjian> yeah, odd this just started with firefox 20;  before that it always worked fine;  has to work for my family, so my options are limited.  ;-)
[23:44] <Dr_willis> excelsiora,  do a 'sudo apt-get update' first
[23:44] <Silic0n> bekks: Ok, I'll try to use virtualbox
[23:44] <clarkm> luckily I learned my lesson, now I just truecrypt sensitive stuff
[23:44] <excelsiora> I did N on it, but it said plymouth among others would be upgraded...
[23:44] <excelsiora> what is plymouth?
[23:44] <Dr_willis> excelsiora,  so your system is not updated..
[23:44] <Dr_willis> !pymouth
[23:44] <excelsiora> !plymouth
[23:44] <Dr_willis> !info pymouth
[23:45] <xub69> !info piemouth
[23:45] <excelsiora> lol
[23:45] <Dr_willis> pymouth does the fancy ... loading screen
[23:45] <excelsiora> pymouth?
[23:45] <excelsiora> or plymouth?
 Plymouth manages the Ubuntu boot process
[23:46] <excelsiora> ...
[23:46] <excelsiora> ok
[23:46] <excelsiora> so I'll do the upgrade, then
[23:47] <Dr_willis> excelsiora,  yes.. you should keep your system up to date..
[23:47] <excelsiora> so why doesn't this get changed with sudo apt-get update?
[23:47] <Dr_willis> because the 2 commands do differnt things
[23:47] <neophos> How do I keep programs from locking the audio device (using 12.04)? Like I want two different programs playing sounds at the same time
[23:48] <Dr_willis> update - UPDATES the list of packages
[23:48] <excelsiora> has this changed in the past few years?
[23:48] <Dr_willis> excelsiora,  err.. No
[23:48] <Dr_willis> its always been 'sudo apt-get update'  'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[23:49] <excelsiora> does the upgrade keep me on the bleeding edge?
[23:49] <Dr_willis> You sould update every so often, like befor you install anything
[23:49] <excelsiora> or do I need to sign up for a ppa or something?
[23:49] <Dr_willis> upgrade - upgrades the system to the latest versions...
[23:49] <Dr_willis> !apt | excelsiora \
[23:49] <Tatuus> i've just gone through "partial upgrade" (for some reason i don't understand) to 13.04... so now Ubuntu says it's 13.04, but is it really? what is this "partial upgrade" ?
[23:50] <Dr_willis> Tatuus,  try a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:50] <Dr_willis> some package smay have been held back
[23:50] <Tatuus> ok, willis, i'll do that then
[23:51] <the_drow> hello I upgraded ubuntu from 12.10 to 13.0 and I opened up the software updater and it says I'm still running 12.10 and I should upgrade
[23:51] <the_drow> No error was presented during the upgrade and it seems everything works just fine.
[23:52] <the_drow> Should I run it again?
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, Where did you upgrade from, and have you rebooted?
[23:52] <Tatuus> Dr_willis: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" -so i'm ok with 13.04 ?
[23:53] <Dr_willis> Tatuus,  you are up to date
[23:53] <Tatuus> thanks
[23:53] <the_drow> wilee-nilee:  The software updater. Yes
[23:53] <excelsiora> how is the openstack package?
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, The update manager and you chose at the top upgrade to 13.04, and is the yes that you upgraded?
[23:54] <the_drow> yup
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, Are you sure you were not running 12.04?
[23:56] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: I'm running 12.10 http://i40.tinypic.com/30lf76r.png
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, Sure but are you sure you were not in 12.04 when you hit the upgrade originally.
[23:57] <the_drow> I'm sure.
[23:58] <the_drow> wilee-nilee: It also said that it's upgrading to 13.04
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> the_drow, Hmm, Not sure to be honest I have never seen this before.
[23:59] <kate_r> hi
[23:59] <kate_r> does anyone know the ppa for Precise security?
[23:59] <the_drow> should I risk it?
[23:59] <Dr_willis> a security ppa? theres a secrrity. repo entry in sources.list i thought