[00:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: Awesome ;)
[00:23] <bkerensa> Wow... I get like 3 e-mails a month of people asking if attending a loco event would be suitable for them since they are not programmers etc
[00:23] <bkerensa> =o
[00:24] <bkerensa> People don't understand that LoCo's are about Community :D
[00:27] <mhall119> bkerensa: we get folks that aren't even all that info computers
[00:28] <bkerensa> =o
[01:01]  * akgraner is pondering the moral "Familiarity Breeds Contempt"
[01:03] <akgraner> and has to admit there are times when I have to fight this - where is jono when I need to apologize to him...
[01:14] <mhall119> in London
[01:15] <mhall119> either drinking or sleeping at this time of night
[01:15] <mhall119> with a small possibility that he's doing both
[01:16] <akgraner> mhall119, I knew that I was just thinking aloud :-) but thank you...
[01:16] <jcastro> hey
[01:16] <jcastro> anyone doing anything?
[01:16] <jcastro> I have tool porn!
[01:17] <jcastro> ok that came out wrong
[01:17] <akgraner> hahahahahahahahaha
[01:17] <jcastro> https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1
[01:17] <akgraner> gosh I needed to laugh - thanks jcastro
[01:17] <jcastro> amber
[01:17] <jcastro> let's use this
[01:17] <jcastro> as a community pin up board.
[01:17] <akgraner> oh sweet
[01:17] <jcastro> yes
[01:17] <jcastro> add your stuff
[01:17] <akgraner> so I need to sign in to use it
[01:17] <jcastro> and assign people, etc.
[01:17] <jcastro> yeah, I just use my google account
[01:18] <akgraner> k
[01:18] <jcastro> but whatever, add stuff
[01:18] <akgraner> one sec
[01:18] <jcastro> let's try it!
[01:19] <akgraner> jcastro, I'm logged in
[01:19] <jcastro> ok
[01:19] <jcastro> add a few items from your todo list
[01:19] <jcastro> and then assign them to yourself
[01:20] <mhall119> jcastro: stop showing everyone your porn tool
[01:21] <jcastro> mhall119: add a few tasks please
[01:21] <jcastro> I want to see if using this doesn't suck
[01:23] <akgraner> ok I am just adding random stuff
[01:23] <akgraner> but I don't see you
[01:23] <jcastro> I just invited you
[01:23] <akgraner> oh
[01:23] <jcastro> you need to open the Community Team board
[01:24] <jcastro> akgraner: also, make an example task
[01:24] <jcastro> and assign it to me
[01:24] <jcastro> I want to see what happens
[01:25] <akgraner> k
[01:27] <akgraner> jcastro, I added you to some "doing" items
[01:28] <akgraner> oh this may be kinda cool  - can you chat in this tool somewhere
[01:29] <jcastro> you can leave comments on each card
[01:29] <jcastro> I think we would chat in here
[01:29] <jcastro> and for each card you can leave a comment, or attach things
[01:30] <jcastro> I think the voting is for how important people think each card is?
[01:31] <akgraner> I like this
[01:31] <jcastro> yeah
[01:31] <akgraner> you could have cards and checklist for each project
[01:31] <jcastro> RIGHT
[01:31] <akgraner> assign people
[01:31] <jcastro> and in one glance .... we can see what's going on
[01:31] <jcastro> akgraner: let's try to use this for a while, I want to find out if it's useful
[01:32] <jcastro> I am investigating email integration
[01:32] <akgraner> so those organization wiki pages I created for each ubuntu week that never gets looked at could be turned into a usable item
[01:32] <jcastro> because I would just send things into this
[01:32] <akgraner> Can you copy cards
[01:32] <akgraner> like change the check list for open week to app dev week
[01:32] <akgraner> etc
[01:33] <akgraner> we can set those up at UDS or the week after and bam it's all in place
[01:33] <akgraner> then people can pick various tasks and stuff
[01:33] <akgraner> or comment on the planning sessions etc
[01:34] <akgraner> jcastro, do we need to clear this testing stuff and add actual stuff
[01:34] <akgraner> so we can play with it this week and the rest of open week
[01:34] <jcastro> this isn't testing stuff
[01:34] <jcastro> I moved my work stuff onto it
[01:34] <jcastro> but right
[01:35] <jcastro> you could just add everything ahead of time in here
[01:35] <akgraner> nods
[01:35] <jcastro> and then we'd know the status of what everyone is doing
[01:35] <jcastro> and, the best part is
[01:35] <akgraner> that is cool
[01:35] <jcastro> if you're behind, you just unassign yourself
[01:35] <akgraner> bets the hell out my huge as spreadsheet
[01:35] <jcastro> or if you want to do something, snag a card for yourself
[01:35] <akgraner> s/as/ass
[01:35] <jcastro> yes, yes it does. :)
[01:35] <jcastro> it's kind of open ended
[01:36] <jcastro> we can make however many set of lists we want
[01:36] <akgraner> I like that - how did you find this tool
[01:36] <jcastro> I just thought todo, doing, done, postponed would make sense
[01:36]  * akgraner likes lists
[01:36] <jcastro> it was on techcrunch
[01:36] <akgraner> and I like that it marks through them
[01:36] <jcastro> I like how each todo can have a sublist on the back
[01:36] <jcastro> with little completion percentages
[01:36] <akgraner> nods
[01:37] <akgraner> ok  - so do I the ubuntu weeks checklist to community team - the board you invited me too?
[01:37] <jcastro> yeah
[01:37] <jcastro> I was thinking
[01:37] <jcastro> keep everything on one board
[01:37] <akgraner> if I am going to set it up - I might as well do it in the right place
[01:37] <jcastro> yeah
[01:37] <akgraner> I like it
[01:37] <jcastro> let me look up how to do recurring stuff
[01:38] <akgraner> k
[01:39] <jcastro> bbias
[01:40] <akgraner> k
[01:43] <jcastro> akgraner: ah, the little book icon next to the search
[01:43] <jcastro> is a help thing
[01:43] <jcastro> and then go to the overview
[01:43] <akgraner> k
[01:44] <jcastro> ah, looks like recurring lists are on the roadmap
[01:44] <jcastro> just not implemented
[01:44] <jcastro> I gues you could make the list
[01:44] <jcastro> then keep it in doing
[01:44] <jcastro> and then when you check them all off
[01:44] <jcastro> uncheck them again and do it over?
[01:45] <akgraner> for now yep - a card for each event
[01:45] <akgraner> it's not like it's a hard list to copy and past
[01:45] <jcastro> or move it from left to right
[01:45] <jcastro> then back to the beginning each time
[01:46] <jcastro> hey, assign me a deadline for the blog
[01:46] <jcastro> like, for tomorrow
[01:46] <jcastro> to blog about openweek
[01:47] <akgraner> k
[01:48] <akgraner> just assigned it to you, but I think I set it as the 13 let me fix that
[01:50] <akgraner> fixed - oh that is easy to fix
[01:51]  * akgraner wonders can you link multiple boards - you can with the links function right?
[01:51] <akgraner> so let's say I had News Team Board but wanted it to show up on the community board or leadership team etc - we could do that as well right?
[01:52] <akgraner> this way the community team board has links to all the other areas in the community
[01:52] <akgraner> providing teams want to add them there
[01:52] <jcastro> yeah
[01:52] <jcastro> for now just put everything on this one board
[01:52] <jcastro> to see how it works
[01:53] <jcastro> before we spread everything out
[01:53] <jcastro> also
[01:53] <jcastro> akgraner: check out my handy dandy color coding
[01:54] <akgraner> jcastro, you used the labels for that right
[01:54] <jcastro> yeah
[01:54] <jcastro> go in the preferences
[01:54] <jcastro> and you can name each color
[01:56] <akgraner> that's cool
[01:57] <jcastro> ah
[01:57] <jcastro> akgraner: we can sort the order top to bottom
[01:58] <jcastro> akgraner: you don't have any more todos?
[01:58] <jcastro> we need a third person
[01:58] <akgraner> yep I have tons of todo's
[01:59] <jcastro> cjohnston: are you around?
[02:03] <jcastro> akgraner: this is awesome
[02:03] <jcastro> akgraner: aha!
[02:03] <jcastro> akgraner: so, let me backpedal
[02:03] <jcastro> maybe we should create them on seperate boards?
[02:04] <akgraner> hehe
[02:04] <akgraner> see I told you I had tons of todos
[02:04] <akgraner> so here is what I was thinking - (for me anyway)
[02:05] <jcastro> ok
[02:05] <akgraner> create a News Team Board and a Leadership Team Board
[02:05] <jcastro> right
[02:05] <jcastro> oh, check it out
[02:05] <jcastro> on the top right
[02:05] <jcastro> it's trivial to switch between boards
[02:05] <jcastro> ok, create those two
[02:05] <jcastro> I created an "ubuntu" organization
[02:05] <akgraner> all the Ubuntu Weeks can go on the Community board or a Classroom Board
[02:06] <jcastro> right right
[02:06] <jcastro> NICE!
[02:06] <akgraner> oh a classroom board would be better for the weeks
[02:06] <jcastro> yeah
[02:06] <jcastro> let's just mirror the team structure
[02:06] <jcastro> because we know what they are already
[02:06] <akgraner> yep
[02:07] <jcastro> akgraner: ok I had to invite you to the ubuntu org
[02:07] <akgraner> ok me looks
[02:07] <jcastro> you should be able to create boards in it now
[02:09] <akgraner> jcastro, was I supposed to get a new notification?
[02:10] <jcastro> don't know
[02:10] <jcastro> see if you can create a new board
[02:11] <jcastro> and add it to ubuntu
[02:11] <akgraner> k
[02:12] <jcastro> oh oopos
[02:12] <jcastro> I didn't actually send the invite, try it now
[02:14] <akgraner> yep created 3 new boards
[02:14] <akgraner> jcastro, can you see them or do I need to invite/assign you to them
[02:15] <jcastro> I think you need to invite me, let me check
[02:15] <akgraner> Ubuntu Classroom, Ubuntu News Team, Ubuntu Leadership Team
[02:15] <jcastro> ok I can see your boards
[02:15] <jcastro> but not participate in them
[02:16] <akgraner> so to participate I need to assign you to them
[02:16] <jcastro> yeah try one
[02:16] <jcastro> actually that makes sense
[02:17] <jcastro> I can see any of them because I'm in "ubuntu"
[02:17] <jcastro> but the person needs to be put in the right team to add stuff
[02:18] <akgraner> I just sent you invites to the ones I created
[02:18] <jcastro> yep, in now
[02:19] <akgraner> cooleo
[02:20] <akgraner> How does it move items from todo -> Doing -> Done
[02:21] <jcastro> drag it
[02:21] <jcastro> or hover over it and <- or ->
[02:21] <akgraner> ahh ok
[02:21] <akgraner> makes sense
[02:21] <jcastro> ah
[02:22] <jcastro> , and . are the keyboard shortcuts
[02:23] <akgraner> ok I never thought I would ask for keyboard shortcuts, but I don't use the mouse any more - and get annoyed when my hands have to leave the keyboard now
[02:24] <akgraner> ok  - I'll work on populating those boards I created in a few - thanks for finding this
[02:25] <akgraner> beats the heck out of checklists on a wiki page
[02:25] <akgraner> or spreadsheets
[02:26] <jcastro> hey
[02:26] <akgraner> yep
[02:26] <jcastro> akgraner: rename the boards and remove "ubuntu" from the front
[02:26] <jcastro> it puts the org up top anyway
[02:26] <akgraner> ahh ok
[02:27] <akgraner> oh that was easy
[02:27] <jcastro> this is pretty awesome
[02:27] <akgraner> :-)
[02:28] <jcastro> ok we just need to toss more people in there to see if it's awesome or if it just confuses the crap out of people, heh
[02:28] <jcastro> I invited nigel and chris
[02:28] <akgraner> yep let me find all the check list and populate the classroom one right quick
[02:28] <jcastro> yeah!
[02:29] <jcastro> I get the feeling we're going to want to do a bunch of sublists
[02:29] <jcastro> otherwise we'll be swamped with cards
[02:29] <akgraner> nods
[02:29] <jcastro> I notice you can promote a subtask into a card too
[02:29] <akgraner> let me play with this right quick and we can figure it out
[02:31] <jcastro> akgraner: https://trello.com/shortcuts
[02:31] <jcastro> aha!
[02:31] <jcastro> ah suckfest, you can't move cards from one board to another
[02:31] <jcastro> so like, you can't move entire things to other teams
[02:32] <jcastro> akgraner: also it's in real time, if you leave it open and other people do stuff it just autoupdates
[02:35] <akgraner> oh cool on the in real time thing
[02:35] <jcastro> akgraner: yeah so I guess you can leave it open all day and see how people are getting on
[02:36] <jcastro> I just made an app out of it
[02:38] <jcastro> akgraner: heck yeah, that openweek one looks /AWESOME/
[02:45] <akgraner> I realized that some of the wording is for developer week
[02:45] <akgraner> but it's a start
[02:45] <akgraner> ok I am not seeing how to create a sublist
[02:45] <akgraner> what am I missing
[02:49] <jcastro> what do you mean?
[02:49] <jcastro> there's a sublist for the back of each card?
[02:50] <akgraner> hmmm /me looks again for the "back" of the card
[02:50] <jcastro> click on the card
[02:50] <jcastro> sorry, I mean on the card
[02:52] <akgraner> ahh ok
[02:53] <akgraner> I thought I missed something
[02:53] <akgraner> ok this is kinda cool
[02:53] <jcastro> yeah!
[02:53] <jcastro> hey so, idea.
[02:53] <jcastro> let's run with what we got here, fill em up, use them, etc.
[02:53] <jcastro> and then at UDS we can show bacon, etc.
[03:01] <akgraner> k
[03:01] <akgraner> also how do you delete stuff?
[03:01] <akgraner> I want to move things off the todo card on the community team
[03:02] <akgraner> since I created boards for them
[03:02] <jcastro> you just archive it
[03:02] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[03:02] <jcastro> http://blog.trello.com/launch/
[03:02] <jcastro> check out their other lists they're using
[03:02] <jcastro> I just happened to like todo, doing, done, postpone, since it's like a GTD thing
[03:02] <akgraner> on cool
[03:03] <jcastro> right
[03:03] <akgraner> Use GTD too :-)  so yeah I like those too
[03:03] <jcastro> so maybe you want to organize it by Each week
[03:03] <jcastro> and then instead of 10 weeks out, etc.
[03:03] <akgraner> yep
[03:03] <jcastro> let me do one and we'll see which one we like
[03:03] <akgraner> I wasn't sure how to do that
[03:03]  * akgraner needs to read up on this
[03:03] <jcastro> I'll mess with that, you just keep doing what you were doing
[03:04] <jcastro> their whole blog has good info
[03:04] <jcastro> ok I'll plan Open Week for 12.04
[03:06] <akgraner> jcastro ok  - let me see how you do this
[03:06] <jcastro> yeah
[03:08] <jcastro> akgraner: can you copy and paste your week stuff on a pastebin somewhere?
[03:08] <jcastro> like what you put in those checklists.
[03:08] <akgraner> I see  - so can you assign due dates to each of the check list items...
[03:09] <jcastro> right
[03:09] <jcastro> oh dude
[03:10] <jcastro> Ok one sec
[03:10] <jcastro> I got it
[03:10] <jcastro> watch this
[03:10] <akgraner> http://pastebin.com/u3wZxfZX
[03:10]  * akgraner watches
[03:11] <jcastro> yeah!
[03:11] <jcastro> check it out
[03:15] <akgraner> Oh I see :-)
[03:15] <akgraner> I got this now
[03:16] <akgraner> Do you know the dates for app dev, dev, cloud weeks/days yet for 12.04
[03:16] <akgraner> Open Week is easy to figure out
[03:20] <jcastro> no
[03:20] <jcastro> we pick those at UDS
[03:20] <jcastro> but if you know the steps
[03:20] <jcastro> we can always go back and just add dates
[03:21] <akgraner> gotcha
[03:21] <akgraner> so you convert the items to a card
[03:23] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Organization
[03:24] <jcastro> ah check this out
[03:24] <jcastro> Look at "final preparations"
[03:24] <jcastro> each week could be a card
[03:24] <jcastro> and then each task in there, let me adjust it one more time. :)
[03:24] <akgraner> k
[03:25] <akgraner> SO the steps are the same for each week - with little tweaks here and there - but I can go ahead and use the 12.04 you just did and apply then to the other weeks but just change the wiki pages and mailing lists that are referenced
[03:28] <akgraner> that's cool :-)
[03:28] <akgraner> so then you just move the items to the right date order
[03:29] <akgraner> SO you archive the items when completed then
[03:29] <akgraner> or do you want them moved to a "DONE" page
[03:29] <akgraner> so you can see what has been completed the archive those items at the end of each week
[03:30] <jcastro> akgraner: ok what do you think now?
[03:30] <akgraner> I like it it - nice and neat
[03:30] <jcastro> akgraner: well, I think what we should do
[03:30] <jcastro> is move them to a Done
[03:30] <jcastro> so we don't forget them
[03:30] <akgraner> k
[03:31] <jcastro> and they're there in case of follow up
[03:31] <jcastro> and then every cycle
[03:31] <jcastro> archive them up
[03:31] <akgraner> totally
[03:31] <jcastro> or end of every week or something like that
[03:31] <jcastro> that way jjono can see what's been done, etc.
[03:31] <akgraner> it also makes it easy to see what's been accomplished etc
[03:31] <akgraner> yep
[03:32] <jcastro> akgraner: and I just color code them
[03:33] <jcastro> so we can dump them in Done
[03:33] <jcastro> akgraner: I wish we could clone cards
[03:33] <jcastro> that would be brilliant
[03:33] <jcastro> akgraner: ok don't fix up the one for this time
[03:33] <jcastro> we've done all that crap already
[03:33] <jcastro> so I will move it to done
[03:33] <akgraner> k
[03:33] <akgraner> thanks
[03:34] <akgraner> we should add it to the suggestions somewhere - clone cards
[03:35] <jcastro> it's on there
[03:35] <jcastro> I checked. :)
[03:37] <jcastro> akgraner: ah I know how we do it
[03:37] <jcastro> at the end of every cycle, you rename Done to "Done for 11.10", then archive the entire list at once!
[03:37] <akgraner> Oh Nice!
[03:37] <akgraner> see you are thinking!
[03:39] <jcastro> akgraner: right so I'm thinking
[03:39] <jcastro> for things that we need lists for, repetive stuff
[03:39] <jcastro> we can do it like that
[03:39] <akgraner> Did you change the ToDo Card  in classroom?
[03:39] <jcastro> and then for ones that always have stuff coming in and out we can use todo, doing, done, postpone
[03:39] <jcastro> akgraner: I archived it because I saw you making them into individual ones
[03:40] <akgraner> gotcha
[03:40] <akgraner> just wanted to make sure I wasn't clicking in the right spot or something :-)
[03:40] <akgraner> SO I guess we need to document this somewhere
[03:40] <akgraner> jcastro, you want me to start a googledoc?
[03:41] <jcastro> for what?
[03:41] <akgraner> then we can move it to a <eye roll> wiki page </eyeroll>
[03:41] <jcastro> well, once people see it set up
[03:41] <jcastro> they will just follow along
[03:41] <akgraner> this b/c you know some people won't read the blog and stuff on the site
[03:41] <jcastro> well
[03:41] <jcastro> it's easy
[03:41] <jcastro> you write stuff down
[03:41] <jcastro> and then drag it around
[03:42] <jcastro> I mean, I guess we could write it down, but once you see them set up, it'll be easy
[03:42] <akgraner> I know
[03:42] <akgraner> nods
[03:42] <jcastro> granted it sucks for us right now because we've redone some like 3 times
[03:42] <jcastro> but hey, who's counting
[03:42] <akgraner> it's still easy though
[03:42] <akgraner> a lot easier than doing this on a wiki
[03:42] <akgraner> with edit conflicts and crap
[03:43] <akgraner> hmm now if these list could interact with the burndown charts
[03:43] <akgraner> you could have a burndown list - and when you move it into DONE etc it updates those charts
[03:44] <akgraner> but I dream :-)
[03:44] <jcastro> indeed
[03:44] <jcastro> but they don't have an API yet
[03:45] <akgraner> I like this though - just have to remember to change the blueprints and stuff
[03:45] <akgraner> but that's easy - just added update blueprints as a checklist item :-)
[03:46] <jcastro> hah
[03:46] <jcastro> yeah
[03:46] <jcastro> hey, on each of the boards you made
[03:46] <jcastro> set them to public
[03:46] <jcastro> and then turn off voting
[03:47] <jcastro> which is like a scrum thing we don't need/want
[03:48] <akgraner> ok will do
[03:50] <akgraner> Done
[03:53] <akgraner> jcastro, I'll populate some of the other boards in the am and invite the other team members to join - :-)  this is fun...
[03:53] <jcastro> yeah me too!
[03:53] <jcastro> wait!
[03:53] <akgraner> yes
[03:53] <jcastro> https://trello.com/card/board/make-checklists-re-usable/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c/4e1e0ab1802ec6e81c0ee19c
[03:54] <jcastro> vote for this
[03:54] <jcastro> https://trello.com/card/board/templates-for-boards/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c/4e6fdc349d5bce0000004fa6
[03:54] <jcastro> and this!
[03:54] <jcastro> akgraner: hah awesome, they use it for their own tracking of making it
[03:54] <jcastro> how meta.
[03:55] <akgraner> :-) Voted
[03:55] <akgraner> anything else before I go find my pillow?
[03:55] <jcastro> nope, i am off to bed
[03:55] <jcastro> this was fun, talk to you tomorrow!
[03:55] <akgraner> yeppers laters
[04:00] <nigelb> jcastro / akgraner - nEAT
[04:00] <jcastro> EXCELLENT.
[04:00] <jcastro> nigel is here
[04:01]  * jcastro rubs hands together
[04:01] <jcastro> I knew you'd appreciate a nice web app
[04:01] <nigelb> I know of it :)
[04:01] <nigelb> Its pretty awesome
[04:01] <pleia2> "I have tool porn!" is my new favorite jcastroism
[04:01] <jcastro> I do.
[04:01] <jcastro> I do.
[04:01] <nigelb> and jcastro gets pwned by the pleia2!
[04:04] <pleia2> interesting, who makes trello?
[04:04] <nigelb> Joel Spolky gang
[04:04] <nigelb> What's the company name? FogBiz?
[04:05] <jcastro> I think it's just fog creek
[04:05] <nigelb> Aha, that one
[04:06] <pleia2> ah, yeah
[04:06] <nigelb> Its a startup of its own.
[04:07] <jcastro> ok so we were thinking this would  be a good way for people to follow what's going on and where
[04:07] <jcastro> and be able to see how things are coming along for each team
[04:07] <jcastro> so amber and I are going to try it fulltime, and then I guess we can talk about it at UDS
[04:08] <jcastro> so we don't get stuck on "what needs to be done for open week?"
[04:08] <jcastro> we just took amber's monster checklists of doom(tm) and put them in there
[04:09] <nigelb> I suggest we move all of Amber's monster checklists of doom (TM) there.
[04:10] <nigelb> jcastro: are you guys short of hands for open week?
[04:10] <jcastro> for sessions?
[04:12] <jcastro> pleia2: ok I figured out how to just invite you to "ubuntu", sorry for the spam
[04:12] <jcastro> >_>
[04:12] <jcastro> <_<
[04:12] <nigelb> lol
[04:12] <pleia2> hehe
[04:15] <pleia2> I like collaborative todo lists
[04:15] <jcastro> yeah!
[04:15] <jcastro> these are fun
[04:17] <jcastro> so amber and I made some
[04:17] <jcastro> if you want to chip in
[04:17] <jcastro> or make your own
[04:17] <jcastro> and then assign other people, etc.
[04:18] <pleia2> I added some stuffs to classroom
[04:18] <jcastro> ok
[04:18] <jcastro> to assign yourself you can just drag your head onto it
[04:18] <jcastro> or I was thinking
[04:18] <jcastro> when people want to help someone out
[04:18] <jcastro> they can just see what is open (unassigned)
[04:19] <jcastro> or just chip in somewhere
[04:19] <pleia2> ooh neat
[04:19] <nigelb> Wait, its not open!!!
[04:19] <nigelb> <-- troll :P
[04:19] <jcastro> trello.com/shortcuts
[04:19] <jcastro> nom nom shortcuts
[04:20] <pleia2> keybindings++
[04:20] <jcastro> yeah
[04:20] <jcastro> we'd just need to figure out colors for each board, etc.
[04:20] <jcastro> but I figure how hard can it be
[04:20] <jcastro> each team will just set it up however it works for them
[04:20] <jcastro> it's just a list of lists
[04:21] <jcastro> pleia2: click on one of the open week 12.04 cards
[04:21] <jcastro> on the back it has like, sublists and stuff
[04:21] <pleia2> oh wow
[04:21] <pleia2> lots of stuff
[04:21] <pleia2> cool
[04:22] <jcastro> right, so it's like amber's huge spreadsheets
[04:22] <jcastro> I don't know if you've seen them before
[04:22] <jcastro> but basically, it's your worst nightmare.
[04:22] <pleia2> added <green>
[04:22] <pleia2> hehe
[04:22] <pleia2> oh yes :)
[04:24] <jcastro> ok going to bed, the boards and "ubuntu" itself is open to the public, so invite whomever you want into it, and then they can figure it out
[04:24] <pleia2> ok, I actually need to get some sleep
[04:24] <jcastro> night!
[04:24]  * jcastro goes to bed
[04:24] <pleia2> night all
[04:24] <nigelb> night jcastro, pleia2
[06:37] <czajkowski> aloha morning all
[06:37] <nigelb> lies! I'm going back to bed.
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05]  * popey hugs dholbach
[07:05]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[07:23] <ejat> morning dholbach
[07:28] <dholbach> hi ejat
[07:28] <dholbach> cjohnston, happy birthday
[07:28] <ejat> cjohnston : happy birthday ..
[08:12] <czajkowski> how's folks?
[08:16] <czajkowski> very odd being able to see jono head off to work in the morning
[08:21] <czajkowski> 202 people from 30 LoCos and 26 countries are taking part in the 11.10 Release party, are you going to one, if you're organising one don't forget to add it to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1186/detail/
[08:27] <AlanBell> up to 65 for the London party \o/
[08:28] <czajkowski> there are way too many maybe attending... Confirmed attending: 38
[08:28] <czajkowski> would be nice to get the other Maybe attending: 27 to come along also
[08:28] <AlanBell> well you can haul one of the maybes along :)
[08:35] <czajkowski> aye
[08:37] <czajkowski> I've moved all my windows around
[08:37] <czajkowski> most annoying trying to figure out my keyboard shorts for which room I'm meant to be in
[09:31] <czajkowski> jono: *waves*
[09:31] <jono> hey czajkowski!
[09:31] <jono> was great to see you today
[09:31] <jono> sorry I couldnt come and say hi, I was running late
[09:32] <czajkowski> jono: tis fine was waiting on bus I just wave at the staff in the morning
[09:32] <jono> :-)
[09:32] <czajkowski> it's most amusing seeing you lot all walk to work in the morning
[09:32] <czajkowski> actually here in the UK
[09:32] <czajkowski> kinda reminds me where I live again
[09:32] <czajkowski> 11 months in the UK
[09:33] <jono> :-)
[09:58] <jono> jussi, good for our call in 2m?
[10:22] <cjohnston> thanks dholbach
[10:22] <cjohnston> jcastro: im headed to work.. you pinged me last night.. just PM me if you still need me
[10:39] <akgraner> cjohnston, he pinged you to take a look at https://trello.com/  you should have an invite
[10:41] <akgraner> we were working through some stuff last night...it's a pretty cool tool
[10:52]  * popey coughs http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/10/11/s04e17-chains-of-misery/
[10:52] <popey> akgraner gets a mention
[10:53] <akgraner> popey, resharing the link now and adding it to UWN :-)  /me listens as well - thanks!
[10:54] <popey> ☺
[10:54] <popey> np
[11:06] <akgraner> popey, you all make podcasting seem easy!
[11:06] <popey> hah
[11:07] <popey> thank you
[11:11] <czajkowski> some folks are just numptalots
[11:11] <czajkowski> best word aq has ever come up with
[11:11] <czajkowski> but it's a great description!
[11:12] <jussi> czajkowski: ++
[11:18] <akgraner> popey, you all sound so professional and polite - I love your *English*  - where  your=anyone from UK...
[11:18] <AlanBell> it was a good language when we gave it to you :)
[11:19] <akgraner> AlanBell, :-P
[11:19] <jussi> AlanBell: haha
[11:20] <nigelb> AlanBell: HAHAHA
[11:20] <AlanBell> http://blip.tv/alan-bells-ubuntu-stuff/ubuntu-11-10-eyes-free-install-5636087
[11:21] <czajkowski> how boot of the car became trunk I will never understand
[11:23] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how do you know it wasn't trunk first?
[11:25] <czajkowski> Pendulum: it just seems ilogical
[11:29] <AlanBell> czajkowski: actually think of the pre-war type cars with a trunk strapped to the back to put stuff in
[11:30] <AlanBell> bertie wooster type cars
[11:30] <popey> what do you mean we _sound_ professional and polite? we _are_ professional and polite! :D
[11:31] <popey> (sometimes)
[11:31] <nigelb> lol
[11:32] <jussi> popey: yeah right :P
[11:35] <akgraner> popey, ;-)  that is true I should have said are not sound...I stand corrected
[12:05] <akgraner> I screwed up my website and for some reason can't embed video or audio :-(  I'm sure it's just a setting some where but boo...
[12:16] <Joeb454> akgraner: you clearly haven't heard all UK accents ;)
[12:19] <akgraner> Joeb454, nope I haven't, but I absolutely <3 accents...kinda partial to my own thought :-)  I like the UK phrasing and word usages  - the jargon the cadence etc.  I also love how someone with a skilled vocabulary and British English masters the art of backhanded compliments...it's awesome!
[12:19] <akgraner> s/thought/though
[12:20] <akgraner> I would love to live in the UK for a couple of years just to pick up and learn to communicate that way :-)
[12:21] <head_victim> akgraner: she's apples mate, who wants to speak the Queen's English anyway ;)
[12:21] <akgraner> I need a better reason than that though to get my family to move with me...
[12:22] <akgraner> head_victim, I said I like it but didn't want it applied to me - I should have been more specific :-P
[12:22] <head_victim> akgraner: ah the "pick up and learn" made me concerned ;)
[12:23] <akgraner> you all are funny - bbiab popey the podcast was a great way to start my day - thanks again!
[12:26] <Joeb454> akgraner: the UK phrasing varies depending where you are, it's quite interesting, I'll try and find a tv show I watched about it not too long back for you :)
[12:31] <mhall119> had anyone heard from doctormo today?
[12:34] <Pendulum> mhall119: not since he posted stuff to fb/g+ last night
[12:37] <mhall119> hope everyone is doing well
[12:38] <mhall119> cjohnston: happy birthday old man!
[12:38] <cjohnston> your still older mhall119 !
[12:38] <mhall119> only biologically
[12:38] <cjohnston> thats all that matters
[12:39]  * mhall119 prepares "back in my day" comments
[12:40] <mhall119> back in my day, we communicated with our friends over IRC, in a terminal window!
[12:40] <mhall119> oh wait...
[12:47] <cjohnston> lol
[12:54] <jussi> one eye ric! :D
[12:57] <mhall119> random
[13:02] <czajkowski> back in the day we used ychat
[13:07] <mhall119> heh, yeah, I remember those days
[13:21] <jcastro> anyone have an iphone or android?
[13:22] <jcastro> If someone can run guidebook and search for "ubuntu", you should be able to see the UDS schedule
[13:25] <Pendulum> jcastro: only finding last uds
[13:25] <jcastro> ok
[13:25] <Pendulum> (on iphone)
[13:30] <czajkowski> jcastro: same here on android
[13:30] <czajkowski> I see may UDS
[13:30] <jcastro> ok, thanks!
[13:30] <jcastro> they must not have made it public yet
[13:30] <czajkowski> np
[13:45] <cjohnston> jcastro: I was trying to get it working because we have testing we need to do with guidebook
[13:47] <jcastro> it was supposed to go live today sometime
[13:47] <jcastro> cjohnston: try this
[13:48] <jcastro> search for "ubuntu"
[13:48] <jcastro> and then select the normal one
[13:48] <jcastro> er, the one from last time
[13:48] <jcastro> and then click "redeem code" or whatever they call it
[13:48] <jcastro> and type in "uds"
[13:48] <jcastro> that should show you the new one until it's made public
[13:49] <cjohnston> sweet
[13:49] <cjohnston> description works
[13:49] <cjohnston> thats awesome
[13:50] <jcastro> it's pretty sweet
[13:59] <akgraner> jcastro, I am loving adding to your boards - especially the ideas card
[13:59] <akgraner> Joeb454, thanks!
[14:00] <jcastro> hah
[14:00] <jcastro> akgraner: yeah, I dreamt of lists
[14:01] <akgraner> jcastro, too funny
[14:15] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[14:15] <jcastro> Soon we'll be in Orlando! And we can lay by the pool
[14:16] <mhall119> jcastro: you live on the beach now
[14:17] <jcastro> I do
[14:17] <jcastro> but only one person to share it with. :(
[14:19]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[14:20] <jcastro> akgraner: any response from rick?
[14:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: dude shrup ya pup ya live near a beach with sunshine!
[14:20] <akgraner> nope can you ping him
[14:20] <czajkowski> don't make me come over therea and kick yer ass
[14:20] <jcastro> czajkowski: :D :D :D
[14:20] <akgraner> I think I am entering the pest zone now :-)
[14:21] <akgraner> jcastro, but if that one person to share it with is Jill - the rest of the world shouldn't matter...:-P
[14:21] <mhall119> jcastro: make her come over here
[14:21] <jcastro> akgraner: touche`
[14:22] <akgraner> jcastro, can you ping rick? and just tell him we can shuffle people?
[14:22] <czajkowski> jcastro: wuv you too my dear
[14:22] <jcastro> akgraner: yeah just did
[14:22] <czajkowski> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313754_10150348943024634_44935334633_7837126_1754809761_n.jpg sums up way too many people I know
[14:22] <jcastro> heh
[14:23] <akgraner> jcastro, thank you!
[14:23] <jcastro> that one dude I was mailing didn't claim his slot
[14:23] <jcastro> so we need one more
[14:30] <akgraner> k - hmm
[14:30] <jcastro> I see
[14:30] <jcastro> We killed the room
[14:30]  * akgraner thinks
[14:36] <jcastro> it's like a bug spray
[14:37] <jcastro> come into a room with the voluntold brand spray and watch them run to the hills.
[14:37]  * jcastro sprays popey in the head.
[14:38] <nigelb> jcastro: killed what? who?
[14:41] <jcastro> akgraner: need moar checklists.
[14:41] <akgraner> hehe blogging then adding more the ubuntu weeks check list
[14:41] <jcastro> nigelb: we need 2 more people
[14:42] <akgraner> jcastro, so rick can't now?
[14:42] <nigelb> jcastro: Ah!
[14:42] <nigelb> let me look at the schedule to see who we can strong-arm...er convince.
[14:42] <jcastro> akgraner: he hasn't responded
[14:42] <jcastro> and it's been like .... a month
[14:42] <jcastro> so I'm just going to fill them
[14:42] <jcastro> if he wants to add an extra slot, then he can, shrug
[14:42] <akgraner> k
[14:43] <akgraner> nigelb, what is something you want to know more about
[14:44] <akgraner> or anyone what something about 11.10 you think users/contributors want to know more about or get involved with...
[14:44] <nigelb> akgraner: Might want to ask starcraftman if we wants to repeat his epic talk about how to find help
[14:44] <nigelb> (its a user days talk and he does it *very* well)
[14:44] <akgraner> nods
[14:44] <jcastro> no kubuntu this time?
[14:44] <akgraner> Haven't heard back from them
[14:44] <jcastro> ok Van Dine is going to do a gwibber one
[14:44] <akgraner> I email the list
[14:44] <akgraner> dude how'd you talk him into that
[14:45] <Pendulum> akgraner: there was probably bribery involved
[14:45] <jcastro> ahl
[14:45] <akgraner> totally
[14:45] <jcastro> let me see if marrusl wants to do upstart
[14:45] <akgraner> k
[14:45] <nigelb> Maybe we should ask david or crimsun about audio
[14:46] <nigelb> Or ask magicfab about "what you should know before buying an ubuntu system"
[14:49] <maco> dholbach: your blog post doesn
[14:49] <maco> hrmph
[14:50] <dholbach> maco, hm?
[14:50] <maco> i hit return when i meant to hit '
[14:50] <nigelb> lol
[14:50] <dholbach> it doesn't do what exactly? :)
[14:50] <nigelb> that happens to me way too often
[14:50] <maco> i was going to say im not sure what the target audience for your survey is
[14:51] <dholbach> "You were always interested in Ubuntu Development and gave it a try already?"
[14:51] <maco> i mean, i see the first question in your screenshot, but as i presume you want fairly recent experiences.... would it be "people whose involvement attempts were within the last year" or...?
[14:51] <dholbach> in the survey then there's a question where they can rate themselves from 1 to 10 depending on how much they feel they're experienced
[14:51] <dholbach> I hope to be able to split the results into separate groups
[14:52] <maco> ok
[14:52] <dholbach> so we can say "very experienced feel this way", "new contributors feel the other way"
[14:52] <dholbach> or something
[14:52] <dholbach> but really... any feedback will be helpful
[14:52] <maco> i was just thinking you'd get answers all over the place from cjwatson v. nigelb v. $random_new_person_i_dont_know_yet
[14:52] <akgraner> I still haven't replied to jono's survey - *sigh*  - I keep overthinking my answers
[14:53] <dholbach> maco, yeah, I guess that can happen :)
[14:53] <nigelb> maco: I don't fall into either of those groups
[14:54] <nigelb> my ubuntu development contributions have been "random" :)
[14:54] <maco> "less actively participating than i used to" or "semi-retirement" would fit me :P
[14:54] <maco> dholbach: for news sources, could you add Planet Ubuntu?
[14:54] <nigelb> "semi-retirement" has a better ring to it :P
[14:55] <dholbach> hum, not sure I can change the survey while it's already open?
[14:55] <maco> jono did last week when i pointed out that "accessibility" team was missing on his survey
[14:55] <akgraner> dholbach, you can with survey monkey..
[14:55] <maco> oh hey #7 works for Planet too though....
[14:56] <dholbach> let's see
[14:56] <dholbach> hum, this is weird
[14:57] <dholbach> it doesn't show me the text box with one line per answer, but a drop-down field!?
[14:57] <dholbach> I guess I better leave it as it is ;-)
[14:57] <nigelb> heh
[14:58] <maco> ok. i just put it in the textbox of "other"
[14:58] <dholbach> thanks maco
[15:00] <dholbach> jcastro, jono, are we team calling today?
[15:01] <jcastro> I thought we were
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro I canceled my participation as I am in my mgmt sprint
[15:02] <jcastro> HEY ALRIGHT, PARTY.
[15:02] <jcastro> dholbach: I'm about to announce the final schedule for openweek, you can just retweet and stuff
[15:02] <dholbach> jcastro, sweet
[15:09] <nigelb> jcastro: HUZZAH!
[15:16] <jcastro> hey you know what
[15:16] <jcastro> akgraner: screw this old logo
[15:16] <jcastro> I'm making a new one
[15:17] <akgraner> k - let me know when you have it so I can add it to my blog post...
[15:17] <jcastro> well I will announce first
[15:17] <nigelb> jcastro is ON A ROLL!
[15:18] <dholbach> sometimes I love how dirty hacks make your life easy
[15:18] <AlanBell> nice to see jcastro adopting a JFDI methodology
[15:18] <nigelb> I thought Ubuntu was all about JFDI ;)
[15:18] <jcastro> NOW that I have checklists, I AM ON A ROLL.
[15:19] <jono> lol
[15:22] <jcastro> hummm
[15:22] <jcastro> where did all my momentum/motivation just go ....
[15:22] <jcastro> oh right, I just used the wiki.
[15:22] <jcastro> dholbach: hold me
[15:23]  * popey hugs jcastro tightly
[15:23] <mhall119> jcastro: why trello and not kanban?
[15:23]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:23] <nigelb> because trello is new!
[15:24]  * popey puts little stars around nigelb's "New!"
[15:24] <nigelb> lol
[15:24] <jcastro> mhall119: too complicated
[15:24] <jcastro> mhall119: you mean the leankit thing?
[15:26] <mhall119> yeah, isn't that what trello is doing?
[15:26] <jcastro> not really
[15:26] <jcastro> it's more like, simple
[15:26] <mhall119> looks mostly the same to me
[15:27] <mhall119> but ok
[15:27] <jcastro> yeah, there's a bunch of them
[15:27] <jcastro> I tried them over the weekend
[15:27] <jcastro> this one is simple without being too simple
[15:27] <jcastro> but like, I wouldn't run a dev team from it
[15:27] <jcastro> but it's nice for "how is openweek coming along?"
[15:28] <jcastro> https://twitter.com/#!/castrojo/status/124144053272064001
[15:28] <jcastro> can a brother get some RTs?
[15:29] <dholbach> did you g+ it?
[15:29] <jcastro> just now
[15:29] <dholbach> ah, here we go
[15:29] <jcastro> man this ad size is perfect
[15:29] <jcastro> I have collected a set of ads this size for each event
[15:29] <dholbach> RT'd and R+'d
[15:29] <jcastro> dholbach: has someone told you today how great those glasses are?
[15:30] <jcastro> dholbach: you got some hot facebook action too?
[15:30] <dholbach> ah, I'll put it on the ubuntudev thing too
[15:30] <dholbach> and mention it in tomorrow's dev update
[15:31] <dholbach> jcastro, I bought them for 100 NOK in Norway at the most run-down gas station in the country
[15:31] <jcastro> is 100 NOK a lot?
[15:31] <jcastro> only you could pull those off dude. They're so awesome
[15:31] <dholbach> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=100+nok+in+usd
[15:32] <dholbach> and I think I looked at 500 pairs of sunglasses in my life I didn't like :)
[15:32] <nigelb> what glases?
[15:32] <popey> see dholbach's G+ page
[15:32] <dholbach> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NBPZsiD8rhQ/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAChg/iz1TbKVle48/photo.jpg?sz=200
[15:33] <popey> tis a good pic
[15:33] <popey> I think i need a new avatar
[15:33] <nigelb> ah, agreed
[15:33] <jcastro> something that highlights your sideys
[15:33] <popey> :D
[15:34] <akgraner> jcastro, I love your posts!
[15:34] <jcastro> mhall119: hey so amber and I are going to use it
[15:34] <jcastro> mhall119: and if it works out for us we'll show ya'll at UDS
[15:34] <jcastro> I was looking for something that lets us see what's going on at a high level
[15:35] <dholbach> hello gwibber - I'm talking to you! yes, you!
[15:35] <jcastro> so it's obvious to tell when someone is swamped, and you can just grab an item and do it.
[15:35] <akgraner> jcastro, I'm fixing the classroom calendar now...
[15:35] <mhall119> jcastro: I like it, I just was wondering why use something different, since I'm using kanban internally
[15:35] <akgraner> I thought you added place holders, but I don't see them...just double checking
[15:36] <dholbach> wow, click the "microblog something" in gwibber and watch it kill your cpu
[15:36] <mhall119> jcastro: also, I think kanban is getting some LP integration
[15:36] <dholbach> two cores of my system busy
[15:36] <akgraner> dholbach, qwibber has always killed my cpu :-)
[15:37] <greg-g> jcastro: "using Unity like a boss: tRips and tricks" You're taking me on a trip?
[15:37] <nigelb> greg-g: lol
[15:37] <nigelb> dholbach: that must be the kidden kill switch :P
[15:37] <nigelb> *hidden
[15:38] <jcastro> greg-g: you know .... that's funny enough to just leave in there.
[15:38] <greg-g> :)
[15:38] <jcastro> mhall119: I didn't know that.
[15:39] <mhall119> jcastro: it's been mentioned within ISD a couple times, not sure if they're doing it or if we are
[15:39]  * mhall119 was only half paying attention, tbh
[15:39] <mhall119> but essentially it would map the board lanes to bug status
[15:39] <mhall119> and update cards as the bugs update
[15:39] <cjohnston> is anyone else having issues with adding accounts on gwibber?
[15:40]  * mhall119 is having issues with gwibber in general
[15:40] <dholbach> has somebody of you experience with having a script put loads of small pictures together to a big one? not a panorama, not a fancy-mosaic or something - just stitch them together
[15:40] <cjohnston> hmm
[15:40] <dholbach> should I look at python-imaging for this?
[15:40] <mhall119> dholbach: you can probably do it with imagemagic and shell
[15:40] <cjohnston> my phone does it.. its really cool
[15:41] <dholbach> mhall119, I had a look at the imagemagick docs, but they don't really help - there's a -mosaic switch, but I can't seem to get it working
[15:41] <dholbach> cjohnston, let me send you ~160 pics
[15:42] <czajkowski> dholbach: posted your survey to the loco teams page on fb
[15:42] <nigelb> dholbach: picasa does it well
[15:42] <popey> mosaic ☹
[15:42] <popey> non free
[15:42] <akgraner> cjohnston, yes!
[15:42] <nigelb> popey: I thought you were baout thinks that work :)
[15:42] <akgraner> and in empathy too...
[15:43] <popey> nigelb: my point is that someone is going after people who implement mosaic
[15:43] <popey> not that the code is non-free
[15:43] <nigelb> ah
[15:44] <cjohnston> dholbach: it doesnt do it for pictures already taken
[15:45] <dholbach> ah, looking like python-imaging can do it
[15:45] <dholbach> let me see
[15:46] <jcastro> man. :(
[15:46] <jcastro> there's a 2 inch lizard in my apartment
[15:46] <jcastro> I think he's stuck in here
[15:46] <jcastro> I'm trying to catch him to release him
[15:47] <czajkowski> jcastro: and I thought I was bad there is a dog in the office
[15:47] <mhall119> jcastro: best get use to it
[15:47] <jcastro> I feel bad for him
[15:47] <jcastro> he's probably going to die somewhere.
[15:47] <mhall119> 2 inches, must be a baby
[15:47] <jcastro> it is
[15:48] <mhall119> jcastro: get a cat, problem solved
[15:48] <jcastro> the only way I can think of catching him is with the vacuum
[15:48] <jcastro> we gave up our cat. :(
[15:48] <jcastro> Miguel would have hunted this thing for sport, and then brought me the body for evidence.
[15:49] <akgraner> is the fridge slow for anyone else
[15:50] <akgraner> like loading the calendars
[15:55] <akgraner> jcastro, got the last spot filled
[15:55] <akgraner> adding it now
[15:56] <akgraner> or do you want the last slot of the day? in which case I'll bump you to it and put the other person in the 1600 UTC time slot on Friday
[15:58] <Pendulum> jcastro: why'd you give up your cat? :(
[15:59] <jcastro> moving him was too painful, she was flying, I was drying at different times, etc.
[15:59] <jcastro> he has a good home now with another cat
[15:59] <Pendulum> I'm glad he has a good home
[15:59] <jcastro> and the owners send us pics every once in a while
[15:59] <Pendulum> I think y'all need a new cat, though
[15:59] <jcastro> we didn't want to give him up for adoption
[15:59] <jcastro> no, jill says she'll never love again
[15:59] <daker> dholbach, http://fydo.net/projects/merge
[15:59] <jcastro> I personally want a bengal or a savannah or something
[16:00] <akgraner> jcastro, ok schedule is completely full now :-)
[16:00] <Pendulum> jcastro: yeah, we said that when our cat died. and now I have a kitten ;-))
[16:00] <jcastro> AWWWW YEAH
[16:00] <pleia2> I have an egyptian mau, they're smaller than bengals (which are huge!)
[16:00] <jcastro> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QBoMLH6EvAY/TliCTVd9FgI/AAAAAAAAARk/m1XoRzXzIpg/s1600/5353.awww+yeah.jpg
[16:00] <jcastro> this is the pic of the day
[16:00] <jcastro> everything we do revolves around this
[16:01] <jcastro> Pendulum: yeah, if we do I don't want the hassle of a kitten
[16:01] <dholbach> daker, I'm almost there with python-imaging :)
[16:01] <dholbach> it's basically just a for-loop
[16:01] <pleia2> jcastro: avoid siamese :) they stay kittens forever (much to my horror!)
[16:01] <pleia2> monster critter
[16:01] <jcastro> whoa, maus look awesome!
[16:01] <Pendulum> jcastro: I wasn't planning on it either, but my mother insisted that we get a kitten
[16:01] <jcastro> looks like a cloud leopard
[16:01] <pleia2> yeah, they're pretty :)
[16:02] <Pendulum> mine seems to be run-of-the-mill black cat, except she's also got some dark brown (think burmese-colour) in her
[16:03] <jcastro> I like it when they look like mini versions of hunting cats.
[16:03] <jcastro> that's basically my line of thinking
[16:03] <jcastro> "I own a small tiger."
[16:03] <pleia2> hehe
[16:03] <Pendulum> heh, ours is a panther
[16:03] <Pendulum> or at least she thinks she is
[16:03] <Pendulum> we keep quoting Ogden Nash
[16:04] <Pendulum> ("When called by a panther/Don't anther")
[16:04] <jcastro> I don't miss having a walking poop factory though
[16:04] <popey> there is a lady here at work, every time i leave the building she says "goodnight... say hi to the cats!"
[16:04] <popey> I feel bad when I dont say hi to my cats
[16:04] <pleia2> haha
[16:16]  * czajkowski peers at the channel
[16:17]  * popey sets cats on czajkowski
[16:17] <czajkowski> No!
[16:17]  * czajkowski runs away
[16:19] <czajkowski> popey: know the way jon is evil he sent me something like this before http://forestgnome.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/nina-door-small.jpg?w=477&h=357
[16:19] <popey> haha
[16:19] <popey> gorgeous cat
[16:23] <czajkowski> popey: he's only lucky he was far away from me
[16:23] <czajkowski> hoping he comes along tomrorow
[16:24] <czajkowski> should be fun
[16:25] <jcastro> hey akgraner
[16:25] <jcastro> kate tells me she gave you an answer to "what time does ubuntu release?"
[16:26] <jcastro> in an interview you did with her.
[16:26] <akgraner> she did
[16:27] <cjohnston> when we are good and ready?
[16:27] <akgraner> :-) sigh do you not read my interviews
[16:29] <jcastro> I do!
[16:30] <nigelb> jcastro: lies!
[16:31] <akgraner> jcastro, I am teasing you  :-)
[16:31] <akgraner> I know you do -heck I can't remember who said what in which interview without going back through them..:-/
[16:36] <akgraner> Is Tiago Carrondo IRC Nick - tcarrondo?
[16:39] <akgraner> jcastro - Classroom Calendar is update so where ever that is on those list you can move to done - will blog and crosspost to classroom and Fridge now :-)
[16:39] <jcastro> nice!
[16:41] <akgraner> s/update/updated - I give up typing correctly in IRC jeez
[16:46] <jcastro> sorry I was on the phone
[16:50] <dholbach> alright - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:42] <jcastro> hey akgraner
[17:42] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:42] <jcastro> so andy471 pm'ed me
[17:42] <jcastro> and was like "I saw the announcement and the old logo"
[17:42] <jcastro> so he made a new one
[17:43] <akgraner> oh cool :-)
[17:43] <pleia2> yay
[17:48] <cjohnston> jcastro: can you blog about summit and LoCo Team Portal and how we need new devs
[17:48] <jcastro> sure
[17:48] <jcastro> so what do we need?
[17:49] <jcastro> http://pad.ubuntu.com/summit-loco-portal-developers
[17:57] <jcastro> hey nigel
[17:59] <nigelb> jcastro: wahts up?
[17:59] <nigelb> reading
[17:59] <jcastro> do you have a mozillians page?
[17:59] <nigelb> YES
[17:59] <jcastro> can you take a screenshot for me?
[17:59] <jcastro> of your page?
[17:59] <nigelb> sure
[18:01] <akgraner> ok blog post cross posted everywhere now :-) mark that off the list jcastro :-)
[18:02] <akgraner> I'll email session leads once I get back from picking up my kids from school
[18:03] <nigelb> jcastro: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/mozillians.png
[18:03] <jcastro> thanks
[18:03] <jcastro> mind if I use it on a blog?
[18:03] <nigelb> nope, go ahead :)
[18:30] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/11360873455/lets-make-it-personal
[18:34]  * cjohnston starts throwing stuff at jcastro
[18:34] <jcastro> heh
[18:36] <maco> haha
[18:36] <maco> nigelb: does your mustache feel insulted?
[18:37] <jcastro> akgraner: card dragged to DONE!
[18:38] <cjohnston> jcastro: am I not able to add stuff to the trello thing?
[18:38] <jcastro> oh I need to add you
[18:38] <cjohnston> o
[18:39] <jcastro> can you set a pic for your dude?
[18:39] <jcastro> there's like 3 CJs in there
[18:40] <czajkowski> why is vlc hogging memory again >?( bad bad bad vlc
[18:41] <jcastro> cjohnston: ok try now, I added you to the community team board
[18:41] <cjohnston> ok
[18:42] <jcastro> cjohnston: the call for help is in my blog autoqueue, but it's done
[18:42] <jcastro> it'll run in a few hours
[18:43] <jcastro> cjohnston: hahaha, well done
[18:44] <cjohnston> jcastro: I made a few minor changes in the etherpad
[18:44] <cjohnston> http://pad.ubuntu.com/summit-loco-portal-developers
[18:45]  * popey farts http://about.me/popey at jcastro :D
[18:45] <cjohnston> jcastro: you see your new task? is that what your well done was about?
[18:45] <jcastro> OH MAN
[18:45] <jcastro> what an epic
[18:45] <jcastro> epic photo
[18:45] <popey> Binns took it
[18:46] <jcastro> biins takes the best photos
[18:46]  * jcastro adds to post
[18:46] <popey> haha
[18:46] <jcastro> cjohnston: I moved it to the unicorns column
[18:46] <popey> great post btw jcastro
[18:47] <cjohnston> lol
[18:49] <cjohnston> jcastro: http://about.me/cjohnston
[18:50] <jcastro> ok now I see what you're doing
[18:50] <cjohnston> ?
[18:50] <jcastro> but too late, it's on planet!
[18:51] <cjohnston> Is the lets make it personal post what your doing to try to get more developers
[18:51] <jcastro> nigelb: oh lol, can you shrink your screenshot on people?  and it's a stupid html list with no personality.
[18:52] <cjohnston> gotcha.. if you dont mind then, I did make a couple of changes to the post in etherpad if you didn't already catch them
[18:52] <jcastro> yeah, working it now
[18:52] <cjohnston> ty
[19:30] <cjohnston> jcastro: http://ubuntuone.com/0mtN9xOg6pCwNUVChbn7p7
[19:32] <jcastro> !!!!!
[19:36] <cjohnston> it already existed before you blogged about it
[19:37] <jcastro> noice.
[19:40] <popey> wow, just had the most annoying compiz bug ever
[19:41] <jcastro> only one?
[19:41] <popey> CTRL+ALT arrows moves you from one desktop to another
[19:41] <popey> but takes whatever is full screen with it
[19:41] <jcastro> ah, as if shift is being held down
[19:41] <popey> like you have shift held down
[19:41] <popey> yes
[19:41] <popey> but sometimes takes more than one with it
[19:41] <popey> i only stopped it by unmaxing everything
[19:42] <popey> even does it when you use the workspace switcher on the launcher
[19:42] <daker> jcastro, http://ubuntuone.com/64pcQyFq08totlyDqmr1w9
[19:42] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/5fw6ajsJjVFRJ9jlAQKUzQ
[19:42] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/3EGr5xATTOCVHV0jyRJZqx
[19:42] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/3rWEqFYXpJ7yArr6NLBusl
[19:42] <jcastro> wow
[19:42] <jcastro> these look awesome!
[19:42] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/0mtN9xOg6pCwNUVChbn7p7
[19:42] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/4DsFLs4Y5tpX2cnKRo2Wsp
[19:42] <jcastro> are these prototypes or real?
[19:42] <daker> http://ubuntuone.com/4sx3JIp4OhzzprcMrrOg1D
[19:42] <daker> mockups
[19:43] <jcastro> these look great!
[19:43] <daker> ツ
[19:43] <popey> oh another jcastro
[19:43] <popey> do you sometimes find the cursor in your terminal is not a block
[19:43] <popey> but a square
[19:43] <popey> like it doesnt have the highlight
[19:44] <popey> if I alt-tab away and back it fixes it
[19:46] <AlanBell> good stuff daker
[19:46] <daker> thanks AlanBell
[19:46] <AlanBell> got plans for maps at region level?
[19:47] <AlanBell> so click europe, get a clickable map of europe?
[19:47] <AlanBell> I did a mockup of it, but never got it fully done
[19:47] <daker> we will see how we can do it
[19:52] <jcastro> popey: I don't get that
[19:52] <jcastro> ok lizard update, he ran out and now he's under the living room couch
[19:52] <jcastro> I opened the door for him to get out
[19:52] <jcastro> let's see what happens
[19:52] <popey> alt-tab is annoying me now
[19:52] <popey> it absolutely doesn't switch between last two used windows
[19:53] <popey> aargh
[19:53] <popey> now it's doing the moving windows about thing
[19:55] <AlanBell> popey: I find the unfilled terminal cursor happens sometimes
[20:00] <popey> and now neither wired nor wireless will connect
[20:00] <popey> segfault in wpa_supplicant
[20:01] <jcastro> man popey
[20:01] <jcastro> it's not your day
[20:02] <popey> right, so the only way i get this desktop online is to attach an _apple_ usb to ethernet device
[20:02] <jcastro> come on lizard, I left the door open, you will die in my apartment, make a run for the door.
[20:02] <popey> which just works
[20:02]  * popey stabs ralink
[20:13] <jcastro> man
[20:13] <jcastro> the little guy walked out in the middle of the room
[20:13] <jcastro> looked at the open door
[20:13] <jcastro> saw freedom
[20:13] <jcastro> and then ran back underneath the couch
[20:16] <cjohnston> lol
[20:17] <jcastro> I am determined to make him live
[20:18] <popey> My cats brought a bird in once, I shoo'ed them out and then carefully bird-herd'ed the bird out the front door to freedom
[20:18] <popey> cats were waiting and pounced on it
[20:22] <jcastro> hah
[20:23] <jcastro> looks like they trained /you/.
[20:23] <jcastro> "why do all this work, daddy knows what do to."
[20:23] <popey> what am I doing wrong with alt-tab
[20:23] <popey> I start terminals with CTRL+ALT+T
[20:23] <popey> i have lots of them, I alt tab and they all appear
[20:23] <popey> over the top of whatever I tabbed away from
[20:23] <popey> i only wanted one of them
[20:24] <jcastro> alt tab to the terminals
[20:24] <jcastro> but don't let go
[20:24] <jcastro> then alt-` to cycle to the one you want
[20:24] <jcastro> then let go
[20:24] <popey> yes, i know that :D
[20:24] <jcastro> ` meaning, whatever key is above your tab key
[20:24] <popey> but then alt-tab away to chrome again
[20:24] <popey> then i want to come back to that one
[20:25] <popey> i dont want to do the alt ` dance every time
[20:25] <popey> I want to quickly flick between two windows
[20:25] <jcastro> OHHHHH
[20:25] <jcastro> man that is a good idea
[20:25] <jcastro> file that one please
[20:26] <popey> I refuse to believe nobody has brought that up
[20:26] <popey> that is the way alt tab has worked _forever_
[20:30] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Q8Cd6piIc
[20:30] <popey> does that work for you?
[20:43] <jcastro> it works the exact as the video does for  me
[20:43] <jcastro> I never noticed that
[20:45] <popey> people on G+ saynig they can't reproduce it
[20:45] <popey> what did DBO do to our computers during that hangout!?
[20:45] <popey> I blame his hair
[20:47] <jcastro> maybe
[20:47] <jcastro> try doing a reset and see if you can reproduce it
[20:51] <popey> see chipaca's tweet reply
[20:56] <AlanBell> yeah, alt+tab does not flick between last two windows
[20:56] <AlanBell> and I wish it did
[20:56] <jcastro> ouch
[20:56] <jcastro> that sucks
[20:57] <popey> where do I file a bug?
[20:57] <popey> unity?
[20:57] <AlanBell> well actually maybe it does, but it brings up other stuff on top of what I came from
[20:58] <AlanBell> yeah, it is just the window raising of the application
[20:59] <popey> press windows key
[20:59] <popey> start typing
[20:59] <popey> dash doesn't have focus
[20:59] <popey> so i have to click in the dash
[21:00] <AlanBell> that works for me, but I just found another
[21:01] <jcastro> that works for me
[21:01] <AlanBell> open the dash, click outside the dash on the primary monitor and the dash closes and focus goes to what you clicked on
[21:01] <popey> its hit and miss
[21:01] <popey> i can press Win and then type and nothing happens
[21:01] <AlanBell> open the dash, click an app on monitor 2 and the dash stays open
[21:01] <popey> ooo
[21:02] <popey> i cant test that, only one screen
[21:02] <AlanBell> you can drag windows about on monitor 2, but not focus and type in them
[21:05] <popey> Neil is on the case \o/
[21:06]  * AlanBell files bug 873079
[21:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873079 in unity "dual screen dash doesn't close when clicking in second monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873079
[21:06]  * popey files bug 873082
[21:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873082 in unity "ALT+Tab doesn't switch between two most recent windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873082
[22:48] <AlanBell> congrats doctormo!
[23:27] <mhall119> doctormo: yay! congrats!
[23:27]  * mhall119 is trying really hard not to make "Is it out yet?" jokes


[05:01] <zap0> hi,  got it running in a virtualbox on windows..    it gets about 1/2 why thru a apt-get upgrade  and the screen goes black, and the VM goes into pause mode and fails to come out of pause mode...
[05:01] <zap0> how do i fix that?
[14:49] <groundeffect> Just upgrade to 18.04. Anyone else having issues enabling Canonical Livepatch? The "sign in" button just opens another window that says "Sign in..." with no text boxes
[21:48] <L00P3X> Hello and good evening :)I got a new mouse what not seem to work but it's recognised over dmesg and i don't know how to get it working, or if it is worth to like chmod /dev/tty0 .. is there any chance this mouse could work? here i got the manual https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1057043/Tecknet-M001.html?page=2#manual
[21:59] <genii> In the event they return.. no, that mouse will not work under linux. They have some proprietary RF transceiver inside for which there is no linux driver, only Windows ones.
[22:44] <L00P3X> I don't know what else to try to get this mouse working... i made a pastebin from "tail dmesg" and "hwinfo --mouse". it is full recognised but i have no idea on what to do now.. if someone would please give it a look I would be very gratefull for any help.
[22:58] <krytarik> L00P3X: You got a response here after you dropped off earlier: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/05/04/%23lubuntu.html#t21:59
[22:59] <genii> L00P3X: I had same issue before with a mouse from that company, the radio they use does not work with linux, and I was unable to find a driver for it, some proprietary chip that they probably make themselves
[23:01] <genii> ( I struggled with it for half a day and then just ended up going and getting a BestBuy Insignia wireles one instead for around $20 that did work right away )
[23:03] <L00P3X> i got disconnected, i'm sorry. I thank you allot for the response.. my father found one for just 5$ and took it.. maybe I can sel it for 10 :) thanks again
[23:14] <L00P3X> and thanks again, I'm going to leave :) have a good night


[19:40] <Letozaf_> hey guys how do I get this installed on my desktop PC: https://code.launchpad.net/~qqworini/ubuntu-rssreader-app/reboot-add-cmake  the version I have of shorts app is quite different from this one and I have this PPA installed: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily/ubuntu wily
[19:40] <Letozaf_> need this for fixing autopilot tests
[19:43] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'm confused by your question
[19:44] <balloons> it looks like joey hasn't landed that branch yet
[19:44] <balloons> they should make a new series so it's easier to checkout
[19:54] <Letozaf_> oops sorry had a lack of electricity and got back now
[20:00] <balloons> ohh
[20:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, essentially branch his code and work off it
[20:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, I did that but when I launch autopilot tests the old shorts launches instead of the "new" one
[20:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, the one under /usr/share/shorts-app the installed one
[20:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, should I change the code just for testing so to launch the  new shots app ?
[20:27] <balloons> Letozaf_, certainly.
[20:27] <balloons> of course you won't be able to merge it to trunk after. It'll go into that vbranch
[20:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes ok thanks.
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh the MainView12 issue is something that should be fixed by autopilot 1.6
[20:41] <balloons> it's like the old issues with Page11, remember those?
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh thanks for the info, but autopilot 1.6 ? isn't it autopilot3 now ?
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, Autopilot Source Version: 1.5.0 Autopilot Package Version:
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, got it :-P
[20:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, so it's autopilot3 vers. 1.6  :-P


[15:20] <dfarning> good morning kandarp and ishan.
[15:20] <kandarp> dfarning: good morning
[15:20] <ishan> dfarning, good morning
[15:20] <kandarp> dfarning: how are you doing ?
[15:20] <dfarning> how are you guys doing?
[15:22] <dfarning> kandarp, your activity looks good:) and ishan, I am impressed how fast your getting up to speed:)
[15:22] <kandarp> dfarning: I am doing good.
[15:22] <ishan> dfarning, i am doing good
[15:22] <ishan> thank you
[15:23] <kandarp> dfarning: and thanks.
[15:23] <dfarning> +1
[15:23] <kandarp> dfarning: I wish I could make it a bit dynamic.
[15:24] <kandarp> dfarning: i.e., it will be great if it could automatically break an activity into different parts and then generate the output
[15:24] <dfarning> ishan, do you know who was working on the mouse bug stops after running sugar bug?  We need to get that pushed into Debian as soon as possiable.
[15:24] <kandarp> so that the gradually improved activity could be studied
[15:25] <ishan> dfarning, no
[15:25] <kandarp> s/ gradually improved/ gradually improving/
[15:25] <ishan> dfarning, let me check
[15:25] <dfarning> ishan, thanks
[15:26] <kandarp> dfarning: that was due to gdm not being upto date, IIRC.
[15:26] <kandarp> dfarning: the mouse bug.
[15:26] <dfarning> kandarp, hhhm is gdm upto date in the latest maverick?
[15:27] <kandarp> dfarning: I think so.
[15:27] <kandarp> dfarning: but, I'll confirm when I log into maverick.
[15:28] <dfarning> kandarp, I apt-get updated yesterday and still had the problem.  We can't release for wider testing until that bug is fixed.
[15:29] <ishan> dfarning, neeraj is working on the mouse bug
[15:29] <dfarning> kandarp, users get upset (and lose faith) when one of our programs makes their computer unusable until they reset something in setting:(
[15:29] <kandarp> dfarning: OK. That means gdm isn't the only reason.
[15:30] <kandarp> dfarning: +1.
[15:30] <dfarning> neeraj, good morning.
[15:30] <neeraj> dfarning: good morning :)
[15:31] <dfarning> kandarp, about you activity.... that is the great thing about open source.  Put you source on git.sl.o and upload your activity to aslo and if other find it useful they will improve it.
[15:31] <dfarning> neeraj, how are you?
[15:32] <neeraj> dfarning: I am good. Thanks for asking.
[15:32] <kandarp> dfarning: +1.
[15:32] <neeraj> dfarning: how about u?
[15:33] <dfarning> neeraj, I was just asking ishan about the status of the mouse bug no working ofter running sugar.  how is that coming?
[15:34] <dfarning> neeraj, great! I am flying home this afternoon. So two day from now I will be in my own home again:)  Traveling is nice, But I like being at home too.
[15:34] <neeraj> dfarning: :)
[15:35] <neeraj> dfarning:  about the mouse bug, I know the solution, its just that we need to attach patch using quilt on LP.
[15:36] <neeraj> dfarning: I was waiting for my control panel icon cut off patch to get accepted so that I can update the revision number of mouse bug patch acco. otherwise version numbers of these two patches will conflict. As we are change sugar-0.88 package in both bugs
[15:37] <neeraj> also lately I was little busy with some personal work. So couldn't come much on irc. Till then was helping ishan and mukul with some issues :)
[15:38] <dfarning> neeraj, I think you just incrementally number the patches.  In most cases it should not matter in which order the patches are applied.
[15:39] <dfarning> neeraj, as we get moving it will be common to have ten if not hundreds of patches in the pipe waiting to be review and applied.
[15:39] <neeraj> dfarning: Ok. Actually previously while creating patches, I used to submit debdiff file and update the changelog file also.
[15:40] <neeraj> Changelog, to give information about the changes made and closing of bug.
[15:41] <dfarning> neeraj, Use what ever lfaraone suggests.  He understands the processes for ubuntu and debian.
[15:42] <dipankar> dfarning, hello
[15:42] <neeraj> dfarning: Ok.
[15:43] <dipankar> neeraj, ishan, kandarp  : hi guys
[15:43] <neeraj> dipankar: hi
[15:43] <kandarp> dipankar: Hi.
[15:43] <dfarning> neeraj, please don't take this as a critisim.... The "problem" is the Sugar on Ubuntu is getting good enough that I would like to do an Alpha release next week for testers:)
[15:43] <dfarning> dipankar, hello how are you?
[15:45] <neeraj> dfarning: sure. Will ask lfaraone correct way. Though he had send us a mail on debian-olpc, i still have some confusion.
[15:45] <neeraj> dipankar: what method are u now using for patches?
[15:46] <dipankar> dfarning, I am doing great. Got an email from Sascha Silbe
[15:46] <dfarning> dipankar, +1
[15:47] <dipankar> dfarning, Sascha liked my idea for the fullscreen bug. But also mentioned that Tomeu should give me a r+ for the patch to be added
[15:47] <dipankar> neeraj, I have currently used git format-patch HEAD^ command to make patch
[15:47] <dipankar> neeraj, it is for sugarlabs though
[15:48] <ishan> dipankar, hi
[15:48] <dfarning> dipankar, nice.
[15:48] <dipankar> neeraj, I still haven't found something to make a patch for Ubuntu. Sorry :(
[15:49] <dfarning> dipankar, isn't it kind of cool to upstream an patch..... knowing that a few months from now millions of kids will be using your code
[15:49] <dipankar> dfarning, and Tomeu has already indicated that the patch I referred to isn't the one to be added in the upstream. He wants me to test with gtkrc :(
[15:49] <neeraj> dipankar: I assume that now we have submitting the patches on sugarlabs directly which will be directly applied in debian and ubuntu and other distro when ever they will update their packages :)
[15:50] <dipankar> dfarning, yeah It will be awesome and a great achievement for me
[15:50] <neeraj> of course all patch will not be send to sugarlabs directly :)
[15:51] <ishan> dipankar, neeraj:i went through the documents on xephyr but could not find anything that could help me in debugging the bug
[15:51] <dipankar> neeraj, yeah, if the sugarlabs directly use our patches, that will reflect in both Debian and Ubuntu! A great thing for us
[15:51] <dipankar> ishan, you still working on the name bug?
[15:53] <dfarning> dipankar, neeraj yes, but.... if the bug is significant.  We will want to temporarily fix it in debain -> ubuntu.  Any modifications made to upstream sugar now will not flow downstream to ubuntu until version 11.04
[15:55] <neeraj> dfarning: yeah. Thats why at present I was using this method. But I was following this method-> Attach the debdiff for ubuntu
[15:55] <dfarning> neeraj, +1
[15:55] <dipankar> dfarning, thats in april next year!
[15:55] <neeraj> and add the patch in debian/patches folder so that it can be later applied in debian
[15:56] <neeraj> By using quilt, we can keep track of the patches applied and send patch to sugarlabs later as needed.
[15:57] <ishan> dipankar, yes
[15:58] <dfarning> lfaraone, can you look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-chat-activity-0.86/+bug/565770
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 565770 in sugar-chat-activity-0.86 (Ubuntu) "[removal request] sugar-chat-activity-0.86 (affects: 1) (heat: 35)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:58] <dipankar> ishan, use synaptic to track down a file
[15:59] <dfarning> lfaraone, it ^^ seems to have been superceeded by the neeraj's recent sync request.
[15:59] <dipankar> search the package and see properties->installed files
[15:59] <ishan> dipankar, okay
[16:01] <ishan> dipankar, dipankar i have tracked down all files related to xephyr
[16:02] <dipankar> ishan, great.now if you see, you will find /usr/bin/Xephyr
[16:03] <dipankar> ishan, I think you should edit this file to bring in the required changes. ask alsroot in detail.
[16:05] <dfarning> ishan, were you working on packaging turtle art?
[16:05] <ishan> dfarning, mukul was working on turtle art
[16:05] <dfarning> ishan, thanks
[16:13] <ishan> dipankar, sir how to open xephyr file
[16:13] <ishan> it shows blank file with gedit
[16:13] <dipankar> let me check
[16:14] <dipankar> ishan, I check the case "Xephyr"
[16:15] <dipankar> I am unable to open the file myself, its a binary file
[16:16] <dipankar> ishan, I think you should refer to ankur or someone senior
[16:17] <ishan> dipankar, okay
[16:18] <dipankar> dfarning, I think I have followed the process of reviewing properly: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2180
[16:18] <ishan> dipankar, ankur sir is not online
[16:19] <dipankar> ishan, ask alsroot then :P
[16:19] <ishan> alsroot, hi
[16:19] <alsroot> ishan: hi
[16:20] <alsroot> ishan: what you are planing to do w/ /usr/bin/Xephyr?
[16:20] <dfarning> dipankar, +1 if you don't get a review in a few days please ask for a review on the sugar-devel mailing list.  Sometimes things get stuck in launchpad.
[16:21] <ishan> alsroot, i am thinking of making some changes which could change the displayed text
[16:21] <dipankar> dfarning, ohk sure :)
[16:21] <alsroot> ishan: but you need to start from its sources, not from /usr/bin/Xephyr (which is binary)
[16:21] <dipankar> dfarning, do you mean sugarlabs? (you mentioned launchpad)
[16:21] <alsroot> ishan: just got to its home page and found how to download sources
[16:22] <ishan> alsroot, okay
[16:22] <alsroot> *find
[16:22] <alsroot> ishan: it should be something low level X11 coding, sorry didn't do such things by myself and can't help here
[16:23] <dfarning> dipankar, yep too many bugtrackers for me to keep track of them all:(
[16:24] <ishan> alsroot, no problem
[16:24] <dipankar> dfarning, :). Btw, copying is not working on my system (Sugar Emulator). Can you please confirm whether you can copy a small file from a pend drive to your journal?
[16:25] <dipankar> alsroot, hi, could you please do the above ^^ and confirm if copy is working?
[16:25] <dfarning> ishan, I would recommend moving on to another bug.  That one looks ugly,  but it really does not reduce usability.  You can come back to it in a couple of weeks with freash eyes.
[16:25] <dfarning> dipankar, i am testing it
[16:25] <dipankar> thanks
[16:26] <ishan> dfarning, okay. let me ask manusheel sir
[16:27] <alsroot> dipankar: works fine in my case (git sugar), if it fails in your case, it should log something
[16:31] <dfarning> dipankar, hmmm I have manage to crash sugar by switching between the journal and usb:(
[16:31] <dipankar> dfarning, don't use a big pen drive, mine also gets stuck with a big one
[16:32] <dipankar> *s/big one -> in which no. of folders is large
[16:32] <dfarning> dipankar, 8 gig is all I have with me:(
[16:32] <dipankar> alsroot, ohk, what file did you copy? I am trying to copy a small pdf
[16:32] <dipankar> dfarning, that should crash
[16:32] <dfarning> dipankar, can you file a bug on this in LP?
[16:32] <dipankar> *s/shouldn't
[16:33] <alsroot> dipankar: me too
[16:33] <dipankar> dfarning, just a minute. I need to confirm whether I am doing it properly :P
[16:35]  * lfaraone waves.
[16:36] <dipankar> lfaraone, hey, how are you?
[16:36] <lfaraone> kandarpk, dfarning: GDM never had any effect on the metacity mouse bug.
[16:37] <dfarning> dipankar, with regard to your question about copying to usb.... the last message in my log is at http://pastebin.com/aBELZYsV
[16:37] <dipankar> alsroot, which log should I refer to for copying? shell.log?
[16:37] <dfarning> just before the crash
[16:37] <alsroot> dipankar: yup
[16:37] <dfarning> lfaraone, thanks
[16:38] <lfaraone> dfarning: by the way, we should tell mukul et al that they don't need to be spending time on turtleart.
[16:38] <dfarning> lfaraone, how is the package queue coming
[16:39] <dipankar> alsroot, I am not getting any error in shell.log
[16:39] <dipankar> :(
[16:39] <dipankar> dfarning, I am not getting any error in shell.log
[16:39] <lfaraone> dfarning: since `turtleart` is already packaged standalone and I recently created a "sugar-turtleart-activity" package which linked the right files for TA Standalone to work in Sugar.
[16:39] <lfaraone> dfarning: it'll get reuploaded to NEW as soon as walter releases.
[16:39] <alsroot> dipankar: how does it fail, no copy?
[16:40] <dfarning> lfaraone, +1
[16:40] <dipankar> alsroot, here is what is happening:
[16:40] <dipankar> 1
[16:41] <satellit_> dfarning: are you using drag-drop for transfer to USB? link of how I do it http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table#How_To_Test
[16:41] <alsroot> dipankar: ^
[16:42] <dfarning> satellit_, +1 I dragged an icon from the journal on the usb icon.
[16:43] <satellit_> : )
[16:44] <dipankar> dfarning, satellit_, alsroot, I copy using right clicking on the pdf in usb drive. There is some flashing on the journal and after sometime its stops
[16:44] <satellit_> on the bottom left under frame or the right display....have to click on journal on top of frame  then let frame retract then 2 icons on left bottom are the ones to use
[16:44] <lfaraone> dipankar: please let the other people at SEETA know that the upstream author is *not* "Jonas Smedegaard"... they're misfiling the ITPs with the wrong name.
[16:45] <dipankar> lfaraone, ohk, I will tell them for sure
[16:45] <satellit_> dipankar this also works to install .xo packages
[16:47] <dfarning> satellit_, that sounds like a usability bug.  Can you file a bug in the sugar labs bug tracker please?
[16:47] <satellit_> bug? it works ?
[16:47] <lfaraone> dfarning: so Mukul packaged sugar-turtleart-activity and sugar-turtleblocks-activity :(
[16:48]  * ishan is going to dinner
[16:48] <lfaraone> (I had been working with Walter on that, and both of those packagings are wasted time)
[16:48]  * ishan to/for
[16:49] <dfarning> lfaraone, Mukul is listed as the packager on http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar/tasks
[16:51]  * satellit_ new feature? wish we had drop down box when clicked item  in journal "copy to 2nd USB"(when one was present ) or visa versa
[16:51] <dipankar> satellit_, alsroot, dfarning ,: The drag and drop from journal to usb is working, and vice-versa is also work :)
[16:51] <dipankar> *s/work/working
[16:52] <satellit_> yes I use it all the time
[16:53] <lfaraone> dfarning: that's right. I didn't list s-ta-a because Matthew, Walter and I were thinking about how to proceed.
[16:53] <lfaraone> dfarning: Matt had already packaged "turtleart", standalone, and I had uploaded that to Debian about a week ago.
[16:54]  * dipankar is off to dinner
[16:56] <lfaraone> dfarning: It was listed as being packaged by "Matthew Gallagher" on the tasks page last I looked.
[16:57] <dfarning> lfaraone, these things happen... As a team learning coordination is as important as learning the technical skills.
[16:58] <lfaraone> dfarning: yeah. one thing that would have been useful is if when the ITPs for those other packages were filed they CC'd the debian-olpc-devel mailing list.
[16:58]  * lfaraone could have been better about documenting his progress.
[16:59] <dfarning> lfaraone, I assume that because matt was not working it, manu assigned it.
[17:00]  * lfaraone will be off and on for the next few hours, going on a drive.
[17:00] <lfaraone> (college visits, actually)
[17:00] <dfarning> lfaraone,  yes, as far as I am concern this is no worse then a r- on a review.  We fix the problem, if necessary fix the documentation, and move on:)
[17:00] <dfarning> lfaraone, enjoy.
[17:01] <lfaraone> college visits,a ctually <_<;
[17:04] <dfarning> kandarpk, can you take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity/+bug/284968
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 284968 in sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity (Ubuntu) "Jigsaw fails to launch (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [Medium,In progress]
[17:04] <dfarning> it is related to the jigsaw activity you packaged.
[17:05] <dfarning> kandarpk, can you assign it to yourself unless it has already been fixed
[17:06] <kandarpk> dfarning: OK.
[17:06] <dfarning> kandarpk, thanks.
[17:11] <dfarning> kandarpk, do you know who packaged etoys? http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/etoys.html still list jose.
[17:11] <alsroot> ishan: btw, Xephyr has -title argument, you can just pass arbitrary title (from emulator.py)
[17:12] <kandarpk> dfarning: Ankur packaged etoys-activity.
[17:14] <dfarning> kandarpk, thanks
[17:14] <kandarpk> dfarning: np.
[17:18] <kandarpk> alsroot: can you help me out with the activity I am working on ?
[17:18] <alsroot> kandarpk: sure
[17:19] <kandarpk> alsroot: I've added the second activity in another file.
[17:19] <kandarpk> alsroot: the main file is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/481497/
[17:19] <kandarpk> alsroot: and the second activity is in http://paste.ubuntu.com/481498/
[17:22] <alsroot> kandarpk: you need to call activity.Activity.__init__ from from __init__ method
[17:22] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[17:24] <kandarpk> alsroot: changed to http://paste.ubuntu.com/481503/
[17:25] <kandarpk> alsroot: getting error http://paste.ubuntu.com/481504/
[17:25] <alsroot> kandarpk: you need to call activity.Activity.__init__ in any case otherwise class will be not fully initiated
[17:26] <alsroot> kandarpk: well the error is obvious "global name 'handle' is not defined
[17:26] <alsroot> you dont have 'handle'
[17:26] <kandarpk> alsroot: how do I correct it ?
[17:26] <alsroot> kandarpk: it is passed to your Activity class by sugar, see 1st activity
[17:28] <alsroot> kandarpk: "def __init__(self, handle):" from 1st activiy
[17:28] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK. I thought it is a variable inherited from Activity class.
[17:34] <kandarpk> alsroot: how do I display the second instance of the activity ?
[17:35] <alsroot> kandarpk: what do you mean by display? after invoking sugar-launch command, second activity will be launched as regular activity i.e. will be added to launched activgity list
[17:35] <kandarpk> alsroot: GtkWarning: gtk_widget_show: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[17:35] <kandarpk>   activity.show()
[17:36] <kandarpk> alsroot: clicking on the button hangs sugar.
[17:36] <alsroot> kandarpk: what the backtrace for this error is?
[17:37] <kandarpk> alsroot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/481509/
[17:43] <kandarpk> alsroot: It got resolved.
[17:44] <kandarpk> alsroot: as you told the activity had to be initialised anyway, I moved activity.__init__ out of if-else.
[17:55] <kandarpk> alsroot: is there a way by which the previous method could work ?
[17:56] <kandarpk> alsroot: I wanted to replace SubActivity by activities of sugar, they will have their own init calls.
[17:58] <alsroot> kandarpk: not sure if I got your idea, you mean launching regular sugar activities from main one ?
[17:58] <kandarpk> alsroot: yes
[17:59] <alsroot> kandarpk: you just need to pass particular bundle_id to sugar-launch command in os.system()
[18:00] <kandarpk> alsroot: I would include files from other activities as submodules.
[18:00] <kandarpk> alsroot: that wont require bundle_id I think.
[18:01] <kandarpk> alsroot: wont it be the same as launching SubActivity ?
[18:03] <alsroot> kandarpk: the option could be, passing class name that should be launched in the next launching iteration via envar, so you need to tweak "exec" option in acitivty.info file that will get class to start from this envar
[18:04] <alsroot> i.e. w/o any special coding in activity class (classes are different)
[18:06] <kandarpk> alsroot: hmmm, getting the idea.
[18:08] <kandarpk> alsroot: that means we'll need to grep for the activity name and then launch that activity using bundle_id ?
[18:09] <kandarpk> alsroot: or include the other activity as submodule and use its class name to execute it ?
[18:10] <alsroot> kandarpk: nope, I meant: there is only one activity all time(one bundle_id), it has several modules(with Activity classes) including main one, by default (if envar wasn't passed), main will be launched, main actiivty will start itself by passing envar (thus tother activity modules will be launched)
[18:11] <kandarpk> alsroot: got it.
[18:16] <kandarpk> alsroot: can you please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/481528/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/481526/
[18:18] <alsroot> kandarpk: that won't work because DevTutorActivity is uninitialized if /tmp/1 exists
[18:24] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[18:24] <alsroot> kandarpk: in my mind all logic for what activity(class) will be started should be in "exec" (to be exact in bash script wich will be launched from "exec"), e.g. 'sugar-activity ${TUTOR_CLASS-DevTutorActivity} "$@"'
[18:25] <alsroot> s/TUTOR_CLASS-DevTutorActivity/TUTOR_CLASS:-DevTutorActivity/
[18:27] <alsroot> if TUTOR_CLASS is not defined, "DevTutorActivity" will be used (to start main), main will start itself w/ defining TUTOR_CLASS envar to class of sub activity to start
[18:32] <kandarpk> alsroot: how can I set envar ?
[18:32] <alsroot> kandarpk: use subprocess module http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html, see "env" argument that could be passed to subprocess.call() method
[18:33] <alsroot> kandarpk: also see how subprocess is used in sugar code code and other activities
[18:39] <kandarpk> alsroot: I didn't understand 'sugar-activity ${TUTOR_CLASS:-DevTutorActivity} "$@"'
[18:40] <alsroot> kandarpk: that should be in launch script http://pastebin.org/676637, use its name as "exec" value in actiivty.info and it will be started
[18:42] <alsroot> otherwise (if you will use this string as "exec" value), sugar won't expand "${TUTOR_CLASS:-DevTutorActivity}"
[18:43] <alsroot> ..afaik
[18:44] <kandarpk> alsroot: how is "${TUTOR_CLASS:-DevTutorActivity}" expanding ?
[18:45] <kandarpk> it doesn't seem to be bash string operation
[18:45] <alsroot> kandarpk: it is a bash (see man bash), if TUTOR_CLASS is defined, it will be expanded, otherwise "DevTutorActivity" will be used
[18:46] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[18:53] <kandarpk> alsroot: why do we need to include "$@" ?
[18:54] <alsroot> kandarpk: it will be expanded to the args that sugar will pass to "exec" value eg -o or -a
[18:55] <kandarpk> alsroot: can we add these parameters in activity.info ?
[18:55] <kandarpk> does that work ?
[18:56] <alsroot> kandarpk: sugar launch "exec" in non shell mode (see subprocess do page) thus all these stuff won't be expanded
[18:57] <kandarpk> alsroot: I mean -o and -a flags, can we use them ?
[18:58] <alsroot> kandarpk: nope, only sugar knows what values for these arguments are
[18:59] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK, thanks.
[19:48] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi kandarp.
[19:48] <manusheel> Around?
[19:48] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello sir.
[19:48] <manusheel> kandarpk: Neat description.
[19:49] <manusheel> However, I am not sure on how the activity could take inputs from other Sugar activities.
[19:49] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: we are almost there
[19:49] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: alsroot has provided some pointers.
[19:50] <manusheel> kandarpk: Neat.
[19:50] <manusheel> That is great to hear.
[19:51] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: we'll be able to run complete activity from our activity, will need to insert some markers in other activities to create different parts.
[19:51] <kandarpk> or study different modules in them.
[19:51] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can't we have a function, which can do it at our end?
[19:52] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: that will be a bit difficult.
[19:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: Inserting markers in other activities means running around and having a word with lot of activity authors.
[19:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let us see if we can do that. Sure, it will need some understanding.
[19:53] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: the activity is structured to understand other activities.
[19:54] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right, Kandarp.
[19:54] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I was thinking instead of making use of modules to show their functionality, we could use the already existing ones, i.e. other activities.
[19:55] <manusheel> kandarpk: That is another approach. However, think like a developer writing the first activity in Sugar.
[19:56] <manusheel> kandarpk: You won't be interested in browsing through all the activities and understanding modules in them.
[19:56] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir, that is where our activity helps.
[19:56] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right.
[19:57] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: by inserting markers, we show the output after each module is included, which makes their functionality clear
[20:00] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok. let me think about it more.
[20:00] <manusheel> kandarpk: Let me talk to you in 5 mins.
[20:00] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: OK sir.
[20:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Back.
[20:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, inserting markers/indicators is good. But, we'll have to determine a way to do this at our end through some function.
[20:03] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: what approach should we follow ?
[20:04] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: that means automating the process of inserting the markers ?
[20:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, I think we need to maintain a dictionary.
[20:05] <manusheel> kandarpk: This dictionary relates to the modules and sub modules as they are used.
[20:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: How does that sound?
[20:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sounds great.
[20:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, let us try this approach.
[20:10] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: moreover most part of a module is used continuesly
[20:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: Right.
[20:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: What all have we accomplished right now for a developer, can you summarize in points -
[20:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: 1) if we place an activity under our activity, we can launch that activity.
[20:12] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: 2) the basic GUI is prepared to show steps in an activity
[20:13] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok. Most importantly, how about the usage of modules?
[20:14] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: right now, we need to manually break an activity into steps and show the usage accordingly.
[20:15] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, we mean that we have someone sitting next to the beginner, who knows Sugar.
[20:15] <kandarpk> alsroot: if I use 'exec = activityname.sh' in activity.info, will activityname.sh run as normal bash script ?
[20:15] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes sir.
[20:16] <manusheel> kandarpk: Who is breaking the activity into a number of modules, and then explaining the person.
[20:16] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: correct.
[20:16] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup, but you need to place it to bin/ directory
[20:16] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure, it is a good use-case. But, very few times, we can have that scenario.
[20:17] <kandarpk> alsroot: will 'exec = ../activityname.sh' work ?
[20:18] <manusheel> kandarpk: So, we should focus on our original use-case. Of automating the procedure.
[20:18] <alsroot> kandarpk: nope, use just "activityname.sh" and place script to bin/ subdirectory, don't remember all details but it should work
[20:19] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: definitely, that way, if anyone wants to undertand an activity, he can just place the activity under our activity.
[20:20] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[20:22] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, absolutely.
[20:49] <kandarpk> alsroot: around ?
[20:49] <alsroot> kandarpk: yup
[20:49] <kandarpk> alsroot: please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/481583/
[20:51] <alsroot> kandarpk: you are trying to run command w/ name "sugar-launch org.sugarlabs.DevTutor", you need t use ['sugar-launch', 'org.sugarlabs.DevTutor']
[20:51] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[20:53] <kandarpk> alsroot: I tried to understand how to use env variable in Popen.
[20:53] <kandarpk> alsroot: it is only being used to set PATH variable
[20:54] <alsroot> kandarpk: initialize your env variable w/ os.environ value (which is a copy of current envars), then just add your envar
[20:55] <kandarpk> alsroot: OK.
[20:59] <mukul> alsroot: hi
[21:00] <alsroot> mukul: hi
[21:02] <mukul> alsroot : I was looking at the bug #621898 with the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/621898
[21:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621898 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "Copy in right click menu doesnot work in sugar emulator (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621898
[21:02] <ubot2> mukul: Error: Bug #621898 is private.
[21:03] <mukul> alsroot: Where will I find the source code relating to the above problem?
[21:04] <alsroot> mukul: just grep sugar sources for "'Copy'" string, it is src/jarabe/journal/palettes.py
[21:05] <alsroot> mukul: btw I'm sure it is a bug, i.e. Copy mean copy file to clipboard
[21:05] <alsroot> s/I'm/I
[21:05] <alsroot> 'm not/
[21:05] <mukul> alsroot: Ok, It copies to the clipboard but how to we then paste it
[21:06] <alsroot> mukul: open clipboard (left framebar) and choose "Keep" menu item on copied item
[21:07] <mukul> alsroot: That doesn't copy too
[21:07] <mukul> alsroot: I noticed only the drag worked for me
[21:08] <alsroot> mukul: then it is a bug, Copy works fine in (git) sugar
[21:15] <kandarpk> alsroot: subprocess is working :)
[21:15] <kandarpk> alsroot: thanks a lot.
[21:16] <alsroot> yw
[21:29] <mukul> alsroot: Sorry, I had got disconnected.
[21:30] <mukul> alsroot: If right click-->copy then keep seems to be working for now
[21:32] <alsroot> mukul: in fact, after choosing Copy, clipboard icon should flash to let users know about adding new item to clipboard
[21:32] <mukul> alsroot: However,how are we supposed to copy something from journal to the USB, except for dragging
[21:32] <alsroot> mukul: there are only two UI ways, dragging and via clipboard
[21:32] <alsroot> afaik
[21:34] <alsroot> there is also panel menu "Journal" for Copy button in details dialog
[21:34] <alsroot> ..but it is too hidden
[21:34] <mukul> alsroot: To copy from USB to Journal works fine via clipboard as well as dragging. But while copying from the Journal to the USB, only dragging seems to be the way
[21:35] <alsroot> mukul: yup, because "Keep" in clipboard menu means "Keep in journal"
[21:36] <mukul> alsroot: Yes
[21:36] <mukul> alsroot: Then the bug mentioned at launchpad is not actually a bug right?
[21:37] <alsroot> mukul: yup, it is a feature :)
[21:37] <manusheel> mukul: Yes, it is a feature request.
[21:37] <manusheel> mukul: It is mentioned like a bug.
[21:38] <manusheel> Bugs and feature requests are managed in the same bug tracker.
[21:39] <mukul> manusheel sir: Okay
[21:40] <mukul> alsroot: How to I resolve it?
[21:40] <alsroot> mukul: well, thats the question :)
[21:42] <alsroot> mukul: you can create new menu item in palette in src/jarabe/journal/palettes.py, but anyway it sound like a user visible feature that could affect users experience, better to discuss proper implemnettion on sugar-devel@ (post an email w/ tag [DESIGN])
[21:46] <mukul> I 'grep'ed 'Copy' in the file
[21:47] <mukul> alsroot: I had another doubt. There is no provision to copy multiple files at a time.Is that possible?
[21:49] <alsroot> mukul: only by dragging one after another
[21:50] <mukul> alsroot: If that feature has to be implemented, how is to be done?
[21:50] <alsroot> mukul: see the code which will be called after clicking "Keep" button on clipbord menu
[21:52] <mukul> alsroot: palettes.py doesn't contain 'Keep'
[21:53] <alsroot> mukul: grep it in entirely sugar project, it lives in clipboardmenu.py
[22:01] <mukul> alsroot: I am having a look at the code which is called after clicking Keep
[22:30] <manusheel> alsroot: Hi Aleksey. Around?
[22:31] <alsroot> manusheel: hi
[22:31] <manusheel> alsroot: Thank you so much for your guidance to SEETA team. They highly appreciate your time and effort.
[22:32] <manusheel> alsroot: Appreciate it.
[22:32] <alsroot> manusheel: np, I'm just trying to not forget sugar code while coding 0sugar :)
[22:33] <manusheel> alsroot: Great.
[22:34] <manusheel> alsroot: Wish to have your feedback on a couple of questions related to our earlier discussion on switching the framework of A.S.L.O from Remora to Django.
[22:34] <alsroot> manusheel: sure
[22:35] <manusheel> alsroot: Django is python based and Remora is cake php based. When we shift the framework from Remora to Django, we'll be refactoring code according to Django. Right? Not, re-writing cakephp code to Python code? We might have to do this for a couple of modules. But, not for all.
[22:36] <alsroot> manusheel: just how it will be useful in your case
[22:37] <alsroot> manusheel: I didn't take a look to new AMO code base, if it's too different to previous one, maybe just reimplement ASLO patch from basic things would be useful
[22:39] <manusheel> alsroot: Can you send me the link of new AMO? I am not sure we have gone through that.
[22:40] <alsroot> manusheel: https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Developers
[22:42] <manusheel> alsroot: Zamboni is a python based completely. Does that mean the cakephp developers will be learning Python and re-writing the whole of it to Python?
[22:44] <alsroot> manusheel: well, we have to follow mozilla in any case (otherwise we will have unmaintained AMO)
[22:44] <alsroot> at least in my mind
[22:46] <manusheel> alsroot: Ok. But, the structure of Django is pretty different from Remora. Both follow MVC architecture. However, Remora places all the files (i.e. uploader.php, version.php and others) in folder for M, V and C respectively. But, in Django, we'll have to create seperate directories for each functionality. One directory for uploader; one for versions etc.
[22:47] <alsroot> manusheel: thats why I thought about reimplementing ASLO patch and startr from doing basic things
[22:49] <manusheel> alsroot: Ok. Sure. We are focusing on the upload of xo files only at this juncture.
[22:50] <manusheel> alsroot: We have boiled down the files in Model, View and Controller section in Remora that manages uploads.
[22:50] <manusheel> We'll re-write them to see how they work in Zamboni.
[22:51] <alsroot> manusheel: thanks