[08:32] <arm-c> Hello I know this is on Kernel Development, however, I am wondering why when I run MODPROBE it looks in the wrong location for the drivers (ie: 2.6.15-generic instead of 2.6.15-i386)
[11:12] <pygi> hello
[11:13] <pygi> does anyone know how I can obtain the number of available blocks of a block device?
[01:15] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem in gutsy that never happened in previous versions of Ubuntu, when I set vga=0x314, I cannot access the virtual console, nor can I see the boot messages (ie. when I remove the splash option), when I switch to X to virtual console I just get messy colors. Is that problem kernel related ? If yes, is this bug known to you guys ?
[05:59] <bullgard4> I have followed the procedure outlined in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend but did not obtain another 'hash matches' line beyond the 1st. Just bad luck? No chance to debug kernel suspend?
[06:44] <ionstorm> g'morning all
[06:45] <ionstorm> i know this isnt the right channel for help, but this is a kernel related issue im having, #ubuntu has no idea, im thinking its a bug, already reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/138440
[06:46] <ionstorm> i am unable to boot the generic kernel when I enable hyperthreading in my bios, I also flashed to the latest bios A03, I had A02 with the same problem, all info is logged
[06:56] <lamont> II: Checking modules for hppa32...previous or current modules file missing!
[06:56] <lamont>    /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/abi/2.6.22-11.32/hppa/hppa32.modules
[06:56] <lamont>    /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/abi/2.6.22-10.30/hppa/hppa32.modules
[06:58] <zul> oops
[06:58] <ionstorm> any idea why i cannot boot when hyperthreading is enabled?
[07:01] <ionstorm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/138440
[07:01] <ionstorm> it was set private
[07:01] <ionstorm> sorry
[09:02] <Fluor> Sorry for beeing offtopic but I just have to ask some "brains" this question I can't get answered anywhere else. Is there a linux API that allows me to find out how many instances of my program are running? I need to do something like n=selfcount(processname); if(n>3) retrylater();


[00:46] <yano> very
[00:48] <jrgifford> yano, incredibly talkative.
[00:48] <yano> yes, i am very talkative
[00:49] <paultag> moo
[00:49] <yano> meep
[00:49] <skellat> moo
[00:49] <jrgifford> paultag, so you got a big following of your language, eh?
[00:49] <paultag> jrgifford: a bit!
[00:50] <jrgifford> :)
[00:50] <paultag> it's got quite a community so far
[00:50] <paultag> pretty quite
[00:50] <jrgifford> :D
[00:54] <paultag> jrgifford: if you want to hang out; #hy here on freenode
[13:47] <jrgifford> paultag, i'm not really a python or a lisp guy, but sure. ;D
[13:48] <paultag> \o/
[21:21] <canthus13> yay explosions.


[12:48] <BenC> zul: ping
[01:43] <mikepj> Good to know about that UUID issue.  I had the same problem when installing on my server with 4 SATA disks.  Devices would switch names, etc.  Took me a few hours to figure it out and make the correct GRUB changes.
[02:55] <zul> BenC: pong
[03:01] <BenC> zul: xen on amd64 is failing to build...did you test it before you sent the config?
[03:02] <zul> yes I did
[03:02] <zul> whats the error?
[03:05] <BenC> In file included from include/linux/mm.h:40,
[03:05] <BenC>                  from include/linux/suspend.h:11,                 from arch/x86_64/kernel/asm-offsets.c:12:
[03:05] <BenC> include2/asm/mach-xen/asm/pgtable.h:489: error: 'ptep' undeclared here (not in a function)
[03:05] <BenC> include2/asm/mach-xen/asm/pgtable.h:489: error: 'entry' undeclared here (not in a function)
[03:05] <BenC> include2/asm/mach-xen/asm/pgtable.h:489: error: expected identifier or '(' before 'if'
[03:05] <BenC> include2/asm/mach-xen/asm/pgtable.h:489: error: expected identifier or '(' before 'whi
[03:05] <BenC> and then some more
[03:06] <zul> crappers can you disable it for amd64 and send me the output
[03:09] <zul> sorry timed out
[09:01] <kraut> moin
[10:59] <AnAnt> bdmurray: Hello
[10:59] <AnAnt> bdmurray: what does "Triaged" mean ?
[10:59] <AnAnt> bdmurray: you are Brian Murray, right ?
[11:01] <soren> AnAnt: He is, but he's probably also very much asleep. :)
[11:02] <AnAnt> soren: ok, what does "Triaged" mean ?
[11:02] <soren> AnAnt: Do you mean in the traditional (medical) sense, the general Ubuntu sense or the kernel sense?
[11:03] <cjwatson> AnAnt: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2007-June/000559.html and thread
[11:04] <soren> AnAnt: Triaging is the process of going evaluating patients (especially after battles in war) evaluating which should be taken care of first, etc.
[11:04] <soren> AnAnt: In the general Ubuntu sense, it means "This bug has been looked at, verified, and should for all practical purposes be ready to be looked at by a developer".
[11:04] <AnAnt> soren: in the launchpad sense
[11:05] <soren> AnAnt: The kernel team has traditionally had slightly different procedures for bug management, so I'm not entirely sure if Triaged means something slightly different when it comes to kernel bugs.
[11:10] <AnAnt_> soren: thanks
[11:10] <AnAnt_> sorry, I got d/c
[11:10] <AnAnt_> soren: regarding this bug: #103273
[11:11] <AnAnt_> soren: I just sent that it got partially solved by setting the option pci=noacpi
[11:11] <AnAnt_> soren: shall I provide any outputs (dmesg or whatever) when I passed pci=noacpi option?
[11:12] <soren> AnAnt_: I have no clue.
[11:12] <AnAnt_> k
[11:12] <AnAnt_> anyone got a clue ?
[11:15] <AnAnt_> ok, later then
[12:19] <Mithrandir> how can I force a driver to bind to a device?  I have a device I believe is supported by a driver, but I'd like to test before recompiling
[12:20] <infinity> You can echo the PCI ID to somewhere magic in /sys ..
[12:20] <Mithrandir> it's a USB device, though
[12:21] <infinity> They surely have IDs too... Of some sort. :)
[01:02] <cjwatson> find /sys -name new_id
[01:02] <cjwatson> you need the right syntax though
[01:03] <cjwatson> which I think is just "%x %x" % (vendor, product) for USB
[01:04] <cjwatson> (it's more complicated for PCI)
[01:12] <abogani> What is the best tool for manage a patch series on top fo git? stgit?
[02:34] <Mithrandir> hm, btsco needs the snd_bt_sco module to be loaded to be useful, but bluetooth devices aren't really plugged in like USB and such, so I don't think udev can get a uevent, reasonably.
[02:34] <Mithrandir> what's a good way to make sure snd_bt_sco gets loaded?
[02:43] <IntuitiveNipple> Mithrandir: I set it up so it is loaded when the --connect occurs
[02:44] <Mithrandir> IntuitiveNipple: where do you set that up?
[02:45] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't remember now; it was a while ago I set it up. I do recall having to trawl through a lot of Google search results until I found the correct mix of tips
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> The problem I had after getting it set-up was many apps wouldn't easily allow the selection of the ALSA device, and therefore they would insist on using the internal sound device
[06:31] <bdmurray> BenC: There is a bug a bugzilla.kernel.org that looks, uh, misplaced to me.  It is bug 7954 if you could have a peak that would be great.
[06:37] <BenC> bdmurray: ok, I'll check it out
[06:39] <bdmurray> BenC: It's about a MacBook Pro bug filed with Component Power-Processor which seems wrong and it should be an upstream bug of one of ours.
[10:15] <bdmurray> BenC: I'm having a hard time linking a linux-source-2.6.22 bug upstream.  The LP process is a bit confusing but I think there is not an appropriate upstream project for l-s-2.6.22.


[09:09] <studio-user101> Hello
 hello </h11>
[15:09] <studio-user179> I need main menu for ubuntustudio 18.04. How I can make it?


[02:09] <drz3> hi
[05:08] <cursed_> hi
[05:13] <cursed_> lol
[05:32] <cursed_> hi
[05:33] <cursed_> ubuntu phone works in motorola razr d3?
[05:33] <cursed_> sorry my english
[05:48] <jppiiroinen> good morning :)
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <SturmFlut> good morning!
[07:23] <SturmFlut> Does anybody know how I can reach vicamo?
[07:25] <dholbach> SturmFlut, https://launchpad.net/~vicamo
[08:24] <mcphail> zubozrout: hi - got your ping
[08:25] <zubozrout> hi mcphail
[08:26] <mcphail> zubozrout: I think is is fair to say SDL is a "work in progress" rather than at "just works" status
[08:26] <mcphail> zubozrout: do you want to discuss this in #ubuntu-app-devel?
[08:27] <zubozrout> mcphail: ah, ok. But Neverball and Neverputt works - how was that done?
[08:27] <zubozrout> mcphail: Do you think that it is a better place?
[08:28] <mcphail> zubozrout: yes - see you there
[08:28]  * seb128 isn't a fan of the new icons :-/
[08:29] <ogra_> seb128, same here ...
[08:29] <ogra_> and summing up the reactions i see on IRC  nobody really is
[08:29] <seb128> I wonder if that's worth opening a bug about
[08:29]  * mcphail wishes the browser icon would change
[08:30] <seb128> or telling tiheum at least
[08:30] <ogra_> i dont really mind the app icons though ... but the panel ones
[08:31] <SturmFlut> I'm okay with the new app icons, but the "Notifications" panel icon gets green when there are notifications, otherwise it's black. By that logic, shouldn't the WiFi icon also get green when it's connected?
[08:32] <conyoo> the new camera app icon.. ewwww
[08:33] <davmor2> ogra_: I think they look exactly the same as the android 5.0 icons
[08:33] <conyoo> yeah
[08:33] <ogra_> hmm, i have never seen them live
[08:33] <conyoo> i also don't like android m icons
[08:33] <davmor2> ogra_: wifey has the nexus 5 they are identical
[08:34] <ogra_> bah, thats even worse
[08:34] <conyoo> http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2015/05/1.png
[08:34] <conyoo> ^^
[08:35] <ogra_> well, BT and battery are definitely different ...
[08:35] <ogra_> but yeah, wifi is the same
[08:35] <conyoo> still
[08:36] <nhaines> I sort of like the new app icons but I don't like the browser icon.
[08:36] <nhaines> Also did the panel icons change?  Maybe I need to update my tablet and look again.
[08:36] <ogra_> yes, massively
[08:37] <nhaines> Oh, I remember why I didn't update my tablet.  I thought I might want to demonstrate windowed and staged mode with my Bluetooth mouse tomorrow.
[08:38] <conyoo> uuu nice
[08:38] <davmor2> ogra_: and cellular  battery is only rotated 90 ° so the only real change is bluetooth.
[08:38] <Isotop7> is there any way now to get a screenshot via hardware buttons?
[08:38] <conyoo> volume up/down?
[08:38] <SturmFlut> Isotop7: There has been for a long time, press both volume keys at the same time
[08:38] <ogra_> Isotop7, since ages, press both volume buttons
[08:39] <davmor2> ogra_: the issue is there is only so much you can do with a monochrome icon that 16x16 or whatever size it is
[08:39] <Isotop7> ah thank you...shouldve followed the last time...sorry :)
[08:39] <ogra_> what i actually find worse than the icons is that the date is gone from the today scope
[08:39] <ogra_> that makes it a lot less usable
[08:41] <conyoo> saw an update land on how they calculate grid units (wily)
[08:42] <conyoo> and then someone posted this image http://i.imgur.com/OUWhgUV.jpg
[08:42] <conyoo> 5 icons / row on opo
[08:42] <ogra_> yeah, looks like they turned it to high
[08:43] <nhaines> I feel like that camera icon is staring into my soul.
[08:43] <conyoo> :)) yeah
[08:43] <conyoo> i really really don't like the camera icon
[08:45] <nhaines> The only one I really dislike is the new Dekko icon.
[08:46] <davmor2> nhaines: I like that one
[08:46] <nhaines> davmor2: aside from the aspect ratio of the envelope feeling really wrong, the stripes on the side seem too thin.
[08:47] <nhaines> (As in, don't extend far enough away from the edge of the icon.)
[08:47] <nhaines> ogra_: the Today scope still shows the date here.
[08:48] <ogra_> weird
[08:48] <davmor2> ogra_: I have no date either
[08:48] <ogra_> well, are we supposed to have one or not ?
[08:49] <mcphail> date shown here, but I'm not on a fancy channel
[08:50] <ogra_> mcphail, we are not on fancy channels either :P
[08:50] <nhaines> Huh, Contacts tries to sidestage on the N7, and it's just sort of floating weirdly.
[08:50] <nhaines> ogra_: you're not on the secret magical Canonical-only channel?  :)
[08:51] <ogra_> lol, no, there is no such thing
[08:52] <nhaines> No, no, of course not.  Say no more.  *wink*
[08:52] <mcphail> Rule #1 of the Canonical Channel - don't talk about the Canonical Channel
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Sugar Cookie Day! 😃
[09:02] <nhaines> Now there's a holiday I could get behind.
[09:10] <SturmFlut> I'm really looking forward to see which day JamesTait will choose on July 14
[09:11] <JamesTait> SturmFlut, do you have a preference?
[09:12] <Isotop7> is it possible to just download files without connecting.them to apps?
[09:13] <SturmFlut> JamesTait: I can't decide between chaos/madness on one side and the artiodactyl on the other
[09:13] <zubozrout> Isotop7: you mean through web browser app?
[09:13] <Isotop7> i mean via webbrowser app?
[09:14] <JamesTait> SturmFlut, not a fan of sharks?
[09:15] <zubozrout> Isotop7: Not as far as I know. It would be great though - Content hub should allow that - well, maybe it is a filemanager problem as it should associate with every file extension.
[09:15] <SturmFlut> JamesTait: I'm a scuba diver, it's Shark Awareness day every day for us
[09:16] <Isotop7> okay...i agree with that...downloading is pretty useless atm except your downloading media content...
[09:16] <JamesTait> Well played, SturmFlut. ☺
[09:16] <zubozrout> Isotop7: If I need to download something special, I am forced to use wget, but that is not a solution :)
[09:17] <Isotop7> especially if you have to browse the site first to get the link...
[09:18] <zubozrout> Isotop7: Yes, but even that wont help for sites like Google drive :), you can't copy a link there.
[09:18] <zubozrout> Isotop7: Well, installing filemanager that would be able to handle every extension would help - maybe we should fill a bug there if it isn't already.
[09:20] <SturmFlut> JamesTait: Hm, but have you ever looked a cow in the eye? These creatures are on the verge to chaos and madness all the time. "Pandemonium" and "Cow" is basically the same thing. Let's call it "Laser-Shark Cow Pandemonium Day" then.
[09:20] <Isotop7> should i file it?
[09:20] <SturmFlut> Another problem solved using questionable logic!
[09:21] <SturmFlut> Isotop7: There is a bug report I think, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1354391
[09:21] <SturmFlut> Isotop7: Planned for OTA-6
[09:22] <Isotop7> nice...since otas for arale isnt compatible: at what ota can i expect it in arale?
[09:23] <SturmFlut> Isotop7: What do you mean by "not compatible"? OTA updates are shipped for all devices
[09:23] <JamesTait> SturmFlut, I like to go geocaching, and once found myself in a field surrounded by cows, with my two boys. That was pretty scary.
[09:23] <zubozrout> Isotop7:  No, I just did it :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1472978
[09:24] <JamesTait> It turned out that wasn't the way to get to the geocache.
[09:24] <conyoo|AW> how can one disable app's life cycle? :/ i want to be able to run all of them in foreground in windowed mode on a desktop
[09:25] <SturmFlut> zubozrout: There was already a bug report, I just posted it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1354391
[09:25] <zubozrout> SturmFlut: Well, thanks for the info, I didn't know that. Then there is a philosophical debate where is the best place to solve the bug.
[09:25] <SturmFlut> conyoo|AW: Doesn't the Life Cycle only exist on the phone, and not on the desktop
[09:26] <Isotop7> i always read ota 4 is available but i only got ota 2 on normal.channel...
[09:26] <conyoo|AW> SturmFlut, nope, it's the same on desktop
[09:26] <conyoo|AW> wily desktop next
[09:29] <davmor2> SturmFlut: only when your in the water, surely you don't go looking for sharks in your house ;)
[09:30] <tsdgeos> seb128: do you know about the lang packs? I'm trying to understand why something that is translated in es.po in messaging-app repo is not in the messaging-app.mo that comes with language-pack-touch-es
[09:32] <seb128> tsdgeos, read backlog from #ubuntu-devel from the past half an hour
[09:33] <tsdgeos> okidoki
[09:33] <seb128> tsdgeos, or just move to something else, it's being handled
[09:33] <tsdgeos> okidoki
[09:33] <seb128> :-)
[09:34] <Isotop7> can someone enlighten me regarding the otas for arale and the other phones?
[09:34] <zubozrout> SturmFlut: So what is the resolution of that web browser unable to download anything bug report? As I understand it is long time reported. Is this a solution in works? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1354391/comments/4
[09:35] <SturmFlut> zubozrout: The last status update says "Milestone ww34-2015", that means that it is planned to be solved with the next OTA update in six weeks.
[09:35] <zubozrout> SturmFlut: and sorry for reporting the other bug, apparently I was too quick, although I still think File Manager should manage everything, not only some selected file extensions.
[09:36] <zubozrout> SturmFlut: ok, thanks
[09:38] <Isotop7> okay...but what will be the version number for this ota for arale? also 6? atm im stuck at ota2 on main channel...
[09:41] <SturmFlut> Isotop7: The OTA is just a virtual number that maps to a specific image release number for every device. For example OTA-4 was r23 on krillin, but a different image number on other devices.
[09:44] <Isotop7> yeah i thought that...so how is ota 6 comparable to arale (which actuak status is ota 2) and mako (ota 4)?
[09:45] <nhaines> Isotop7: you'll note that the state says "r2" (release 2), and not OTA.
[09:45] <nhaines> arale shipped after several other OTA releases.  That's why it's only had one update--it shipped with improvements already.
[09:58] <SturmFlut> An Ubuntu phone will launch in India!
[09:58] <popey> \o/
[09:59] <ogra_> great ...
[09:59] <nhaines> Still just waiting on a California launch.  :)
[09:59] <Stskeeps> [citation needed]
[10:00]  * ogra_ waits for the "how do i dualboot with tizen, how do i replace ubuntu with tizen" questions
[10:00] <ogra_> :P
[10:00] <nhaines> "Dear lazyweb, I wanted an Ubuntu phone so I bought a phone I knew didn't come with it.  halp!"
[10:01] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[10:01] <k1l_> while that is the topic on the german ubuntu channel, again. any news on whatsapp client for ubuntu? :/
[10:02] <nhaines> k1l_: all that info will come from whatsapp.
[10:04] <k1l_> ok. so its about getting to the breaking point of getting a market share or getting enough users complaining to whatsapp guys of not making a client
[10:04] <nhaines> Yup!
[10:04] <nhaines> And the second one doesn't necessarily have to wait for the first one.  ;)
[10:05] <k1l_> was there some communication between ubuntu/canonical and whatsapp so far?
[10:06] <nhaines> No one will ever know, because that would be confidential.
[10:06] <nhaines> Probably.  :)
[10:06] <SturmFlut> Stskeeps: Can't give you a citation :/ You'll have to believe us.
[10:06] <k1l_> http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/its_classified_barack_obama.gif
[10:06] <k1l_> ;p
[10:08] <popey> k1l_: yes
[10:09] <popey> k1l_: we have a team who have those kinds of conversations all the time
[11:22] <dholbach> hum... I have an offset when it comes to appointments in the timedate indicator - did anyone else notice something like this?
[11:23] <dholbach> that's with rc-proposed
[11:27] <zubozrout> dholbach: What kind of offset? I haven't noticed it yet - on devel-proposed. I have 3 events shown there and all seem to match their proper dates.
[11:28] <dholbach> zubozrout, they are off by two hours
[11:28] <dholbach> I'm in UTC+2, maybe that's why(?)
[11:29] <zubozrout> dholbach: same here on devel-proposed, off by one hour (just created a testing event)
[11:30] <dholbach> popey, ^ have you seen this happening?
[11:30] <dholbach> err, sorry
[11:30] <dholbach> I'm on rc-proposed
[11:30] <dholbach> not devel-proposed
[11:31] <zubozrout> dholbach: Hmm, no, it is showing me the time right ... I was looking at a wrong place, sorry
[11:31] <zubozrout> dholbach: Yep, I know you are on rc-proposed, ... it is just that I am on devel-proposed and was trying to reproduce your bug, but I failed.
[11:32] <zubozrout> dholbach: Also UTC+2 here, so maybe it is already fixed
[11:33] <zubozrout> dholbach: Do you have the events saved locally or is it shared with Google calendar?
[11:35] <zubozrout> dholbach: In my case both events (one local, one in Google calendar) I created using Calendar app shows right.
[11:36] <jgdx> abeato, hi, quick question. When list-modems echos no ServiceNumbers and the user expects service numbers, is that ofono's fault?
[11:37] <zubozrout> dholbach: Reboot won't change it - Time indicator still shows the events right.
[11:38] <popey> dholbach: not myself, no
[11:39] <popey> dholbach: are these events from your google calendar?
[11:43] <popey> dholbach: do they show at the right time in the calendar app?
[11:52] <abeato> jgdx, depends on the user :p
[11:52] <abeato> jgdx, ServiceNumbers are simply a list of numbers that come in a SIM file
[11:53] <abeato> jgdx, so they are either there or not. Each operator has different criteria for inserting numbers there
[11:56] <jgdx> abeato, okay, thanks!
[11:56] <abeato> jgdx, np
[12:02] <dholbach> popey, yep, at the right time in the app
[12:02] <popey> hmm, odd.
[12:02] <dholbach> popey, and yes, from the google cal
[12:02] <popey> maybe a bug in indicator-datetime?
[12:02] <popey> poke charles
[12:07] <charles> hmm
[12:08] <charles> dholbach, popey, that sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1456281 which is fix released, let's confirm that landed in rc-proposed
[12:11] <dholbach> charles, 13.10.0+15.04.20150618-0ubuntu1 is on arale rc-proposed
[12:11] <charles> dholbach, I don't have an arale, I can test on ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[12:12] <charles> let's take a look at 13.10.0+15.04.20150618-0ubuntu1...
[12:16] <jrbt> o/
[12:19] <charles> dholbach, do the events show the right time in the indicator pulldown?
[12:19] <dholbach> charles, no, that's where they're off
[12:20] <dholbach> in the calendar app and in the google cal they're right
[13:27] <dgadomski> hey seb128, thanks for noticing that the bug I reported is a duplicate of bug #1420500
[13:27] <seb128> dgadomski, yw :-)
[13:27] <dgadomski> seb128: from the bug history I understand that the design for that bug is ready
[13:27] <seb128> do you?
[13:28] <seb128> it's assigned to a designer (mpt) but there is no design recommendation
[13:28] <dgadomski> I was thinking about the "no longer affects:	ubuntu-ux" comment
[13:28] <seb128> it's because mpt doesn't like that project
[13:28] <seb128> he prefers to keep the component bug and assign it to the designer
[13:28] <dgadomski> oh, so it's clear know :)
[13:28] <dgadomski> thanks
[13:28] <seb128> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings#Phone still has the "n minutes" list
[13:28] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityAndPrivacySettings?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-security-privacy-idle.png
[13:29] <seb128> mpt is on holidays for the next week or so now
[13:29] <seb128> going to need to wait for him to be back I guess
[13:29] <dgadomski> cool, let's see what he decides
[13:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, you said upstream libqofono added modemtechs somewhere, but I can't find it in your 0.79 branch?
[13:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, let me look again
[13:38] <charles> popey, zubozrout, followup to the indicator-datetime question dholbach asked above, looks like this is a fixed bug #1456281,  we just need to get the fix in ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[13:38] <dholbach> go go go! :)
[13:39] <popey> ship it
[13:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, upstream ofono has added the availabletechnologies property, but I can't see that libqofono has added support for it.
[13:52] <jgdx> abeato, hi, is ModemTechnologies [13:53] <jgdx> abeato, if so, why the conflict? :)
[13:53] <abeato> jgdx, right, I submitted upstream and got the patches accepted, but they preferred to change the name
[13:53] <jgdx> abeato, cool, but also uncool. How long will we have to carry that patch?
[13:54] <abeato> jgdx, no worries, I'll keep you updated when we move to 1.16
[13:54] <jgdx> okay :)
[13:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, so we'll need to unpop that patch for now :)
[13:55] <kenvandine> jgdx, sorry, i got distracted :)
[13:56] <kenvandine> jgdx, i guess that's what i saw
[13:56] <kenvandine> so what we need to do is update settings to match
[13:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, … eventually yes
[13:59] <jgdx> but we're not using upstream ofono, so we'll have to wait until abeato breaks api in 1.16 :)
[13:59] <kenvandine> oh right
[13:59] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok i'll port that old patch
[13:59] <jgdx> I can propose a patch for libqofono in the mean time
[13:59] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool
[14:00] <kenvandine> i'll port the old patch
[14:00] <jgdx> i think I have the old one for modemTechnologies somewhere
[14:00] <kenvandine> i have it
[14:00] <kenvandine> it didn't apply cleanly
[14:00] <abeato> jgdx, kenvandine must be a matter of just changing the name
[14:00] <kenvandine> abeato, yeah but our ofono doesn't have it
[14:31] <jgdx> kenvandine, done testing. Can't find any regressions, except the connection type one.
[14:32] <Edward__> Hello
[15:55] <SturmFlut> beuno: When will Panda Love hit the front page of the click store scope? ;)
[15:56] <beuno> SturmFlut, I don't make those decisions!  you have to bribe someone else
[15:57] <SturmFlut> beuno: The panda has enough love to bribe everybody. Even Canonical management loves the panda.
[16:59] <bayoumi> hi all.. :)
[16:59] <bayoumi> someone who knows if touch is ok with samsung s5?
[17:01] <popey> !devices | bayoumi
[17:03] <bayoumi> popey, thx.. Samsung Galaxy S5 (SKTelecom) | galaxyz | WIP | WIP | N/A | Sam W.
[17:03] <bayoumi> Does it mean that its only work on SKTelecom?
[17:03] <popey> i dont think it's done
[17:04] <bayoumi> no, cause its still in work in progress...
[17:44] <Akritor> Hello.
[17:44] <Akritor> I have just installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4, watched the convergence video
[17:45] <Akritor> How I can use the "convergence" on it?
[17:48] <Isotop7> do we have any info on whatsapp on ubuntu touch? i hate that this is a showstopper for the most people... (for info: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Working-to-Add-Whatsapp-and-Dropbox-as-Services-and-Not-Apps-483172.shtml)
[17:52] <Akritor> bump?
[17:53] <k1l> Akritor: i dont know if the convergence is out in the wild already
[17:54] <k1l> Isotop7: i asked the same question today and that was the conclusion: <k1l_> ok. so its about getting to the breaking point of getting a market share or getting enough users complaining to whatsapp guys of not making a client
[17:54] <k1l> Isotop7: but its the whatsapp guys that need to make the client
[17:55] <Isotop7> oh okay :D
[17:55] <Isotop7> maybe we can do some kind of petition? :D
[17:55] <dobey> Isotop7: you need to ask whatsapp about that
[17:55] <Isotop7> you know what? I'll do that right away :)
[17:57] <popey> Isotop7: yeah, its not something we can do
[18:00] <Isotop7> k...thanks anyway :)
[18:09] <robin-hero> hi all! I have purchased Cut the Rope, but something is weird with is. Is it normal If I play with it and exit when I start to play again I need to complete all level in the boxes? So it resets my box progress everytime.
[18:11] <popey> it should retain your progress
[18:11] <Isotop7> is there already a bug for the pixelated photo preview on arale? Dont want to file it twice...
[18:11] <popey> let me test that here
[18:12] <robin-hero> Thanks, and sorry for my English :)
[18:14] <popey> robin-hero: yeah, it's not saving progress here either.
[18:14] <popey> robin-hero: I'll report it
[18:14] <popey> although dunno where :)
[18:14] <robin-hero> popey: :)
[18:18] <Isotop7> guess ill just report my bug :)
[18:18] <popey> what bug?
[18:19] <popey> robin-hero: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471569
[18:22] <Isotop7> the camera preview on my arale is pixelated and looks like the camera is more like 2mpx...the picture itself after it is taken is very good...
[18:22] <robin-hero> popey: Thanks
[18:22] <popey> oh, odd.
[18:22] <popey> not seen that
[18:26] <pillepop> Hello Everybody one stupid question: How is it possibe to modify a file with nano and ADB ? I cannot save...
[18:27] <davmor2> pillepop: the core system is read only
[18:28] <davmor2> pillepop: if you really need to do it then you can make the system writable but it will break updates if you do that
[18:28] <pillepop> I need to modify the configfile from syncevolution. Any Chance?
[18:28] <cwayne> pillepop: theres an issue with nano over adb shell, either use phablet-shell then nano, or adb shell then vi
[18:28] <Isotop7> or just pull, edit, push...
[18:28] <pillepop> Ok, I will have a try thank you.
[18:29] <popey> or ssh
[18:29] <cwayne> or that
[18:29] <popey> out of interest, why are you fiddling with syncevolution files?
[18:30] <davmor2> pillepop: ^ popey question I think is for you
[18:30] <pillepop> I hav a problem with my selb singned Certificate and would like to swich of temporarly the Safety ...
[18:33] <popey> ahhh
[18:44] <Isotop7> how about customizable led notifications on arale? is this a thing were going to see?
[18:45] <pillepop> Thank you for your help, I've got it with vi. Now its time for Bed. Greatings from germany and byby
[18:45] <popey> see you pillepop !
[18:45] <popey> Isotop7: the arale LED is white
[18:45] <popey> hard to customise
[18:45] <popey> unless I'm mistaken
[18:48] <davmor2> Isotop7: It sure is all you need is a felt tip pen ;)  No seriously popey is right it's a white led
[18:56] <Isotop7> popey: i rather meant it regarding pulsating and periods...for example emails are a long pulse with long pauses and telegram can be 3 fast pulses with a short pause...also correct me if i'm wrong but last night i thought the led had a green shade when i charged it while being off...
[19:19] <dobey> Isotop7: i see a green pulse when there's a system update available
[19:20] <Isotop7> dobey: so you can confirm there is more than a white led?
[19:21] <dobey> yes, it used to be blue for system updates
[19:21] <dobey> but it's green again now that the notifications envelope icon was changed back to green
[19:22] <cwayne> not for arale
[19:22] <cwayne> it's a white led, that's the only color it does
[19:24] <dobey> oh
[19:24] <dobey> is the hardware only white? or is it just a "driver" issue?
[19:25] <cwayne> hw i think
[19:27] <Isotop7> kay...then it must be pcb or something shining through...
[19:32] <Isotop7> okay...thats the solution to my question... (http://meizufans.eu:4567/forum/topic/2140/home-led-colour-module/2) sorry!
[20:37] <Fragy> Can anyone help me resolve the Ubuntu phone MX4 mount issue? It mounted once but never again since on any computer or port. It just shows blank
[20:41] <pmcgowan> Fragy, hi what do you mean it shows blank?
[20:41] <ncme> Hello
[20:41] <ncme> How can I delete my apps from https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev ?
[20:42] <Fragy> pmcgowan: well, nothing's there.
[20:42] <Fragy> pmcgowan: if I do 'ls'
[20:43] <pmcgowan> Fragy, what image is installed
[20:43] <pmcgowan> I am seeing an issue here too
[20:43] <Fragy> pmcgowan: how do I check?
[20:43] <pmcgowan> oh wait need to unlcok it
[20:44] <Fragy> yes, I've tried it with unlocked, it's the same, even enabled the developer's mode
[20:44] <pmcgowan> Fragy, if you have a password or pincode you need to enter that on the phone and unlock - until then it shows blank
[20:44] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:46] <pmcgowan> Fragy, that usb is sensitive, sometimes only works with the cable that came with it
[20:46] <pmcgowan> and on usb 2.0 port
[20:47] <pmcgowan> Fragy, are you plugging into ubuntu desktop
[20:47] <Fragy> I have the original cable and using usb 2.0
[20:47] <Fragy> well, linux mint. I've restarted the phone now, it doesn't mount anymore.
[20:47] <Fragy> I'll check on a windows machine. brb
[20:48] <pmcgowan> fwiw this is what I see in syslog when I plug it in and it works http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11851358/
[20:50] <Fragy> same in windows, it doesn't mount
[20:51] <Fragy> pmcgowan: where can I check the log?
[20:51] <pmcgowan> I did tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug it in
[20:51] <Fragy> alright, checking...
[20:55] <dobey> ncme: click on the app, and then on the left click the "Unpublish application" button
[20:56] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: I noticed that mounting arale via MTP usually worked with r2, at least wit my device, but since switching to rc-proposed r52 it seems to have gotten worse. Can't get it to cooperate most of the time now. Same USB cable, same USB port on the notebook, no USB hub.
[20:57] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: I see the same error in the logs as you do, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11851382/
[20:57] <SturmFlut> "PTP: reading event an error 0x02ff occurred"
[20:57] <pmcgowan> SturmFlut, but mine is moutning fine here
[20:58] <Fragy> pmcgowan: I don't get any of that. I get: musb-hdrc: BUS RESET as b_peripheral [U3D] [U2 RESET_INTR] [U3D][USB Speed = High speed
[21:00] <pmcgowan> Fragy, there are some tips here but I don't think you need the adb file http://askubuntu.com/questions/632444/meizu-mx4-ubuntu-edition-not-mounting-as-usb-drive-and-not-available-to-adb
[21:00] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: It is followed by "ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6PTP_ERROR_IO" most of the time, which results in an USB reset, and after that reset arale should probably reconnect to the bus, which doesn't seem to happen
[21:01] <Fragy> pmcgowan: It mounted the first time I plugged it in just fine. I was able to browse the phone.
[21:01] <Fragy> but that was the only time..
[21:01] <pmcgowan> hmm
[21:01] <ogra_> Fragy, what kind of USB is that ? the MX4 has probs with 3.0 ... the slower the better ... (i use an 1.1 hub here)
[21:02] <Fragy> ogra_: 2.0, original cable
[21:03] <pmcgowan> it "could" be hardware we have seen some of the older ones lose connection
[21:04] <SturmFlut> pmcgowan: I have noticed a couple of things regarding USB/ADB/MTP on my device
[21:04] <SturmFlut> 1. phablet-shell seems to work 99% of the time on my device, even when MTP just failed, and the phablet-shell session hardly ever randomly disconnects.
[21:05] <mcphail> aren't MTP and PTP different things? Why would you be getting a PTP error?
[21:05] <SturmFlut> 2. If I want to transfer large files via ADB, e.g. when using u-d-f, the ADB connection just silently stops working.
[21:05] <pmcgowan> we do know that at some point meizu replaced the usb part in production, but that was some time ago
[21:05] <ogra_> yeah, PTP should not be enabled at all
[21:06] <SturmFlut> 3. If I boot the ADB-enabled recovery image from tangxi, ADB always seems to work, even with large transfers
[21:06] <ogra_> yep
[21:06] <pmcgowan> SturmFlut, yes to all of those
[21:06] <ogra_> in recovery it draws less power
[21:06] <pmcgowan> but mtp always works with a good cable for me
[21:08] <pmcgowan> I have no ideas other than to restart everything
[21:08] <SturmFlut> So could it maybe be the case that our production kernels have problems with large USB frames? Because phablet-shell uses an ADB TCP port forward and very small packets, but ADB push/pull uses full-sizes ones.
[21:08] <ogra_> it could be ...
[21:09] <SturmFlut> Let me check that
[21:10] <ogra_> it could also be a discrepancy how the little kernel and the actual kernel initialize the HW
[21:11] <SturmFlut> Recovery runs a full kernel, Little Kernel just talks Fastboot
[21:11] <ogra_> yes and initializes the USB port for that ...
[21:12] <ogra_> and then hands over to uboot which starts the main kernel who then initializes USB again
[21:12] <ogra_> there are three drivers in that chain ...
[21:16] <SturmFlut> There is no uboot, and Little Kernel initialises the USB regardless of which Linux kernel comes next, Normal or Recovery
[21:17] <ogra_> oh ? i thought there is a uboot between the two kernels
[21:18] <SturmFlut> No, uboot wouldn't add any value. The Boot ROM loads the Preloader, the Preloader loads Little Kernel, Little Kernel does Fastboot or directly loads the final Linux kernel
[21:19] <SturmFlut> http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/07/hacking-ubuntu-touch-index/ At the bottom, spent a whole weekend reverse engineering the whole MediaTek SoC boot process
[21:20]  * SturmFlut always has a blog article for everything :P
[21:22] <ogra_> heh
[21:22] <SturmFlut> Okay, captured a full USB trace during a failure, let's see
[21:24] <SturmFlut> Hmmmmmm
[21:29] <ahoneybun> anyone know about the ASUS Transformer Infinty?
[21:30] <SturmFlut> If I interpret this correctly, there is not a word of MTP spoken on the wire, this fails at a lower level
[21:33] <ogra_> SturmFlut, well, you should see HW disconnects on your desktop when that happens
[21:33] <ogra_> (at least i did in the past)
[21:36] <SturmFlut> I see something I don't like
[21:37] <SturmFlut> sturmflut@fire:~$ lsmod | grep cdc_acm
[21:37] <SturmFlut> cdc_acm                36864  46
[21:37] <SturmFlut> 46?
[21:39] <SturmFlut> Well, because it apparently reacts to the USB ID of the MediaTek preloader
[21:39] <SturmFlut> and then fails to communicate and the module is not unloaded
[21:43] <ahoneybun> I found a security issue
[21:43] <SturmFlut> ahoneybun: Which one?
[21:44] <ahoneybun> so when the phone is locked right
[21:44] <SturmFlut> You can pull down the indicator bar
[21:44] <ahoneybun> but if I build and deploy my app from the SDK it bypasses the lock
[21:44] <ahoneybun> then the system is free to use
[21:44] <SturmFlut> Yeah, but that requires Developer Mode enabled
[21:45] <SturmFlut> or doesn't it
[21:45] <ahoneybun> true
[21:45] <ogra_> it should definitely remove the lockfile that enables this when you disconnect
[21:45] <ogra_> (it should only work during one session)
[21:46] <ogra_> SturmFlut, even with developer mode enabled the screen unlock is mandatory
[21:46] <ahoneybun> disconnect the usb?
[21:46] <ogra_> well, whatever you can do in the sdk to disable/disconnect it
[21:47] <ogra_> there is a file you can put in place to override the lockscreen checking ... that file needs to be removed when the sdk disconnects
[21:47] <ogra_> if it doesnt then the sdk has a bug
[21:47] <ogra_> (so if that is what happens, please file an sdk bug)
[21:50] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Argh. Every time you connect arale to a Linux kernel while it is off, to charge it, or you reboot it while it is attached to the host, the cdc_acm kernel module thinks it detects a device, because the Preloader actually uses a fucked-up MediaTek programming tool handshake protocol based on a CDC ACM device emulation.
[21:50] <SturmFlut> The module then says "cdc_acm 1-1:1.1: failed to set dtr/rts", probably because the preloader just disappears, but doesn't unload itself
[21:51] <SturmFlut> ...and then ModemManager comes and says "Hey, a CDC ACM modem device! Let's talk to that!"
[21:52] <SturmFlut> That doesn't happen on Windows because Windows doesn't come with a driver for this
[21:54] <ogra_> oh, yeah, modemmanager is an old known bug ...
[21:54]  * ogra_ has it uninstalled since years
[21:55] <ogra_> that shouldnt have any impact on adb or mtp though
[21:55] <ogra_> anyway ... /me heads bedwards (early today)
[21:56] <SturmFlut> Well, the "libusb_claim_interface() = -6" error emitted by libmtp is LIBUSB_ERROR_BUSY...
[22:22] <Dragonkeeper> love the new icons in new bq update r136+
[22:39] <om26er> kenvandine, Hi!
[22:40] <om26er> kenvandine, can you tell what does content-hub-testability provide ?
[23:10] <dawidr83> hi i have one question ... i'm new on ubuntu touch. i've buyed the amazing meizu mx4 powered by ubuntu :) great work @ all .. but how can i call a name/contact from the dialer? i press 7 for P and 3 for E but nothing happens.. no fast/smart search is possible?
[23:45] <leoke>  hi there i have a question , can i use this watch to take photos and send them via blutooth to my phone  ??? is it possible ??  http://www.dx.com/p/gv18-1-54-wearable-gsm-smart-phone-watch-w-nfc-remote-control-camera-black-silver-382980#.VZ8AiaEs3Oy
[23:47] <leoke> ???
[23:51] <LarrySteeze> wrong channel


[00:02] <sbeattie> modifying tags on a bug would be useful to have.
[00:03] <bdmurray> okay, I'll through that one in real soon now
[00:04] <sbeattie> thanks!
[00:34] <bdmurray> sbeattie: okay, its there
[00:35] <sbeattie> in ubuntu-qa-tools
[00:35] <bdmurray> fwiw, which isn't much yet
[00:35] <sbeattie> ?
[00:35] <bdmurray> right
[00:35] <sbeattie> danke
[01:56] <baron1984> Can anyone tell me what component to file a an ACPI suspend/resume bug under?
[01:57] <baron1984> would that be ACPI, linux-generic....?
[01:58] <hggdh> baron1984, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI. It should be filed against the linux source
[02:06] <baron1984> odd that it asks for kern.log.0
[02:06] <baron1984> that's yesterday, and a different kernel
[02:06] <baron1984> should I attach kern.log instead?
[02:17] <baron1984> bug 251338
[02:17] <baron1984> :)
[02:18] <mrooney> :)
[02:18] <baron1984> can someone look that over?
[02:18] <baron1984> that report is still untouched in Red Hat's system
[02:18] <baron1984> :P
[02:19] <baron1984> apparently I really know how to pick hardware
[02:29] <mrooney> baron1984: I just took a peek, it looks fine, but I don't know all that much about which logs and such are useful
[02:30] <baron1984> mrooney: I just put up what it asked for
[02:30] <baron1984> mrooney: I also linked it to Fedora's Bugzilla
[02:30] <baron1984> same problem in their kernel
[02:30] <baron1984> and I suspect any 2.6.24 or 2.6.25's
[02:31] <baron1984> I tried Fedora's 2.6.26 kernel based on -git9, it fixed most of my problems
[02:31] <baron1984> but broke so much other stuff, it's not funny
[02:31] <baron1984> same with Intrepid
[02:32] <baron1984> but 2.6.26 has an almost entirely new ACPI disassembler
[02:32] <baron1984> it tends to act much more like Windows
[02:32] <baron1984> forgiving of horribly broken BIOSes
[02:32] <baron1984> go figure
[08:35] <mouz> Is there any use in linking to an upstream bug when the ubuntu distribution task is already fix released? I did so for bug 202431, but I wonder why :) Thanks.
[08:41] <seb128> mouz: doesn't bring a lot but doesn't hurt either
[09:08] <mouz> seb128: ok thanks
[12:10] <pereza> Good morning from Canada.
[12:13] <james_w> hi pereza
[12:14] <james_w> you know what day it is?
[12:14]  * james_w hugs everybody
[12:14] <pereza> is it today, the ubuntu buy day?
[12:14] <pereza> hi james_w
[12:15] <james_w> It's hug day for apt
[12:16] <james_w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080724
[12:16] <pereza> I thought it will be very busy today in this channel
[12:17] <james_w> some bug days it is, some days people just get on with it quietly it seems.
[12:18] <pereza> I see
[13:16] <Hobbsee> \o/ mvo
[14:21] <james_w> What does T mean in a directory listing?
[14:21] <james_w> drwxrwx--T 2 bin  bin     1024 2007-06-21 15:10 atjobs
[14:25] <persia> james_w: That's the sticky bit.
[14:27] <persia> There are 16 bits: 4 define the type of file, 9 define rwx for each of user, group, world.  One is suid (x->s in first group), One is sgid (x->s in second group), and the last is sticky (x-T in third group).
[14:27] <james_w> thanks
[14:27] <james_w> damn hard to google for without knowing the name
[14:28] <james_w> it seems that that wouldn't cause "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied"
[14:28] <persia> It shouldn't, no.
[14:28] <Hew> I'm triaging bug #173816 atm. Anyone know the difference between compiz-bcop and compiz-fusion-bcop?
[14:29] <james_w> hi Hew
[14:29] <james_w> one is probably a replacement for the other
[14:30] <james_w> it appears -bcop was Ubuntu local, and -fusion-bcop has come in from Debian
[14:31] <Hew> james_w: yep. compiz-bcop (main) started with Gutsy though, and compiz-fusion-bcop (universe) with Hardy.
[14:31] <james_w> I guess that the old packages should be transitioned to the new package
[14:31] <Hew> was wondering if it was best just to remove one of the packages?
[14:31] <Hew> yea
[14:32] <james_w> I'm not sure what the plan is, but it should end up with one being removed
[14:32] <Hew> I reckon people are selecting all the compiz* packages, and getting this bug. I was going to change the dependencies, but thought it might be more appropriate to just remove one
[14:32] <james_w> you could either talk to the maintainer, or just explain what's going on and mark the bug triaged
[14:33] <Hew> james_w: Sure thing, I'll chase someone up. Thanks for your help.
[14:36] <james_w> ah, it seems that atd drops privileges to "daemon", and then expects to be able to chdir to a bin/bin owned dir.
[14:37] <james_w> so, why does this work for anyone else?
[15:56] <Hew> Are there any extra steps I should take if the solution for a bug is to remove a package from the Ubuntu repositories? Any team I should subscribe? bug #173816
[15:57] <Hobbsee> Hew: ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[15:57] <Hew> Hobbsee: Makes sense, I shall make it so. Thanks.
[15:58]  * Hobbsee eyes it
[15:58] <Hobbsee> better still, i'll ack it and pass it directly to -archive
[15:59] <Hew> Hobbsee: oh, it's in main btw
[15:59] <Hew> if that makes a difference
[15:59] <Hobbsee> oh, then it would be main sponsors.
[15:59]  * Hobbsee is a core dev too.
[16:00] <Hew> excellent :)
[16:00] <Hobbsee> i'm an archive admin as well, but i don't have removal powers.
[16:00] <Hew> ah ok
[16:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[16:01] <Hobbsee> mvo__: you around?
[16:04] <seb128> do we have some people still running hardy there?
[16:04] <seb128> there is quite some GNOME sru which need verifications ;-)
[16:06] <persia> seb128: If you haven't already, you might also ask in #ubuntu-testing (as potential testers are found in both places)
[16:07] <seb128> persia: ok, I didn't, good to know
[16:07] <seb128> thanks
[16:46] <bddebian> Boo
[16:49] <bdmurray> mvo: ping
[16:49] <mvo> bdmurray: pong
[16:50] <bdmurray> Hi, I'm looking at bug 235129 and don't think it should really be about apt
[16:51] <bdmurray> It seems to me the check would need to done in one of the kernel packages is that right?
[16:51] <mvo> bdmurray: yes, that is right
[16:51] <mvo> bdmurray: that would be too much policy inside apt itself
[16:51] <bdmurray> Which kernel package would that be?
[16:51] <persia> Note that the recommended solution would break e.g. unionfs environments.
[16:51] <mvo> linux-source-2.6.26 I would say (but I'm not 100% postitive, the kernel packaging is something I'm not too familiar with)
[16:52] <persia> Wasn't the source package migrated to just "linux"?
[16:52] <bdmurray> ogasawara: ?
[16:52] <bdmurray> persia: yes it was
[16:52] <Hobbsee> persia: yes
[16:52] <persia> Mind you, I've heard there may be architecture-specific kernels for intrepid, so I'm not sure that will remain, but it is probably the best package for hardy.
[16:54] <bdmurray> mvo: my laptop has "blown up" trying to upgrade to intrepid
[16:55] <stpere> hi
[16:55] <mvo> bdmurray: inside fontconfig-config?
[16:56] <bdmurray> mvo: yes, that sounds right
[16:56] <ogasawara> mvo: I'll move 235129 to the kernel
[16:56] <bdmurray> ogasawara: don't forget to mark it off the hug day list! ;-)
[16:56] <ogasawara> heh
[16:56] <mvo> bdmurray: ok, please run "sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/doc-base*0.8.16*.deb", then try "sudo apt-get install -f" again
[16:57] <mvo> bdmurray: its most likely bug 243830
[16:58] <mvo> bdmurray: I uploaded a perl that should have fixed it today, so if you could give me your upgrade logs, that would be most appreciated (I would like to check if you upgraded with the old perl or the new-hopefully-fixed perl)
[16:59]  * mvo is also working on a package that allows sandbox upgrades in a VM before the real upgrade, hopefully that can be used to spot these kinds of issues early
[17:03] <mvo> bdmurray: did installing doc-base help to fix the issue?
[17:04] <yuriy> wow, I'm looking through the bug list and looks like these are mostly actually apt bus
[17:04] <yuriy> *bugs
[17:04] <bdmurray> mvo: it's progressing along
[17:05] <bdmurray> mvo: I had the old perl I'm sure as it got stuck yesterday or the day before
[17:05] <mvo> aha, ok
[17:06] <bdmurray> mvo: have you seen 240770?
[17:06] <bdmurray> er bug 240770
[17:07] <mvo> bdmurray: no, I agree in principal, but reality is not there yet
[17:09] <marnanel> you know there is no issue there
[17:09] <marnanel> LSB mandates that everything should be able to use RPM
[17:09] <marnanel> and everything *can*
[17:10] <marnanel> there's alien.  problem solved. :)
[17:13] <Hew> Hey guys, I found an interesting page; Edgy release-critical bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs . Surely all these can just be marked invalid now?
[17:14] <bdmurray> Hew: do they occur in a newer release than Edgy?
[17:15] <bdmurray> mvo: is bug 234637 by design perhaps?
[17:16] <Hew> bdmurray: some are outstanding only for Edgy, but others are still release-critical for other releases, while others haven't been fixed. I'm not talking about making the bug itself invalid, just the Edgy RC, since it's not supported.
[17:17] <Hew> the vast majority seem to be Fix Released, and outstanding for Edgy only though
[17:19] <bdmurray> Hew: yes the Edgy task could become Won't Fix now.  It might be best if I or some of the release team did it though.
[17:20] <Hew> bdmurray: ok then
[17:20] <bdmurray> Hew: unless you really want to
[17:20] <mvo> bdmurray: this one is about debconf vs. apt prompts, let me comment in the bug
[17:21] <bdmurray> mvo: ah, that makes sense
[17:22] <Hew> bdmurray: Yea, I'd like to give it a go :P. I understand any concern about mass-invalidating bugs. I can do a few and link them here if you want to make sure I'm doing it right.
[17:22] <bdmurray> Hew: I was more concerned about people possibly reacting negatively
[17:24] <Hew> bdmurray: Ah ok. They mostly seem to be abandoned bugs that are fixed in newer releases anyway. But of course, it's your call, I can find some other bugs to triage instead if you think that's best.
[17:25] <bdmurray> Hew: it's really up to you.  if there are any bugs that are still not fixed for the current release please let me know about those
[17:26] <Hew> bdmurray: ok, I'll start with ones that only have the Edgy task left then let you know :-)
[17:31] <bdmurray> mvo: Is there a bug regarding smb being an apt method?
[17:31] <bdmurray> or not being rather ;)
[17:53] <mvo> bdmurray: i guess not, what is the bugnumber?
[17:53] <bdmurray> bug 231806
[18:00] <mvo> bdmurray: looks to me like a wishlist item (with low priority)
[18:00] <bdmurray> mvo: right, I was wondering if there was an upstream bug about it at all
[18:02] <calc> bdmurray: what was the url to that prototype graph?
[18:02] <calc> oh i found it again :)
[18:02] <bdmurray> calc: the graph is static at the moment too
[18:09]  * calc likes that graph a lot better than the other individual ones :)
[18:09] <calc> a time broken up version of that one would be wonderful :)
[18:12] <calc> it would probably be nice to be able to drill down to the individual graphs as well, but a overall picture is really nice :)
[18:12] <calc> you can see how the package is doing in one glance
[18:13] <thebishop> !202490
[18:13] <calc> thebishop: bug 202490
[18:13] <thebishop> thanks, calc
[18:16] <calc> yipee 60.63% triaged OOo bugs :)
[18:16] <calc> i broke through the 60% barrier today
[18:32] <Hew> bdmurray: done! 112 -> 12 remaining. The last ones still have an open status on the main task. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs . That was great fun, thanks for giving me the all clear on that :P. It's 3:30am here though, so I'd better head off.
[19:03] <greg-g> calc: congrats! :)
[21:08]  * calc wishes we could turn off bug reporting in the lp web interface
[21:09] <calc> or get that fabled firefox plugin ;-)
[21:09]  * calc thinks the plugin is actually a better idea
[21:17] <brian__> hey all...  from reading this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdenetwork/+bug/52888 it appears that krfb wont work for anyone using *buntu and kde 3.5...  i find that hard to believe, but i dont see any other indication in that report
[21:17] <brian__> *unless they recompile kde
[21:20] <yuriy> brian__: iirc it works when viewing with krdc, no?
[21:20] <brian__> yuriy: no, im trying from another remote station using krdc and it actually crashes the vnc service
[21:22] <yuriy> huh. maybe the fix in there got dropped at some point?
[21:22] <yuriy> regardless, give the kde4 version a try, it's much nicer
[21:22] <yuriy> but that is something to investigate
[21:22] <yuriy> but if it is crashing I think that may be a different bug from the one there
[21:22] <brian__> yuriy: so i just need the kde4 version of krfb, and it works with kde3.5?
[21:23] <yuriy> well I don't think the desktop matters. but try and see if the kde4 version of krfb+krdc will work
[21:23] <brian__> yuriy: ok, will.  thanks a bunch for the help
[21:30]  * calc is considering setting up a quick close bug report for anyone not filing a bug via apport
[21:31] <calc> its really annoying to get bugs with no info not even ubuntu version
[21:48] <dorins> why is apport not enabled by default on hardy?
[21:49] <dorins> besides, I had to read the /etc/init.d/apport to figure out how to enable it
[21:50] <greg-g> dorins: just fyi, there are instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed (under "Enable Apport")
[21:52] <calc> well i mean the help->report a bug bit, not the apport crash stuff (though that is useful too)
[21:53] <calc> a user should have no reason to file a bug without any useful info at all, unless the app is crashing, in which case the firefox plugin would be very helpful in that case even when apport crash reporting is disabled
[21:55] <greg-g> related: there are responses on this brainstorm page about the reasons it is not enabled (not sure if dorins still wanted an answer or not): http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9516/
[21:56] <seb128> dorins: because 85% of the crashes are already been reported and that would generate tons of duplicates for no real win
[21:59] <dorins> hmm, that makes sense, thanks
[22:00] <calc> would be useful once a good duplicate finder was available (if even possible) ;-)
[22:00] <calc> but yea its not that important
[22:03] <dorins> calc: I don't know of an equivalent for help->report a bug on kde/kubuntu. Is there one?
[22:05] <seb128> dorins: calc is working on openoffice which has such items
[22:06] <calc> oh kde apps in kubuntu don't use launchpad-integration?
[22:06] <seb128> no idea
[22:06] <jpds> Some of them have launchpad-integration.
[22:07] <dorins> clicking help->report bug in konqueror takes me to bugs.kde.org
[22:07]  * calc is down to 37 new bugs on OOo
[22:08] <calc> heh
[22:18] <yuriy> dorins, calc, seb128: no kubuntu kde apps don't have any launchpad integration. help->report bug goes to bugs.kde.org since that's likely where the report should end up anyway
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> Just having a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/242033
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> this bug report is wrongly raised against apt. the reporter is saying that removing linux-sound-base removes gdm and ubuntu-desktop, which is expected
[22:59] <stgraber> ubuntu-desktop depends for good reasons on linux-sound-base and I don't think it should recommend it instead so it's not really a bug
[22:59] <stgraber> the reporter should blacklist alsa instead, sounds easier and won't break his system
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> that's what I thought, but I wanted to check first
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> invalid or won't fix? (i can do the former but not the latter)
[23:00] <stgraber> or just not put speakers on those computers :)
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> lol
[23:01] <stgraber> Won't fix: "It may also be used for feature requests that the developers do not want to implement" sounds appropriate
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks. i'll add a comment now. could you set it to won't fix once i'm done please?
[23:03] <stgraber> sure
[23:10] <chrisccoulson> stgraber - comment added now
[23:13] <stgraber> chrisccoulson: status changed
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[23:47] <bdmurray> nellery: I'm finding some incomplete bugs in the new table
[23:50] <greg-g> yay, closed a 5 digit bug
[23:50] <bdmurray> sweet
[23:52] <greg-g> yeah :)
[23:57] <james_w> bdmurray: could you renew my bugcontrol membership please? Apparently it's going to expire in a few days.
[23:58] <bdmurray> greg-g: let me know when you are done
[23:59] <greg-g> with the wiki? saving now.... done
[23:59] <nellery> bdmurray, which table is this?