[00:13] <jnc> hope some of you are familiar with Gutsy server, the setup option is "install" or "cli"... is cli the same as the old "server" install from feisty?
[00:13] <jnc> or even more minimal than server
[00:14] <jnc> my goal is to set up a Xen box
[01:02] <AnRkey> how do i allow a user to only have sftp instead of ssh access on his/her account?
[01:03] <AnRkey> in other words, is there a shell that i can set that will only allow sftp instead of ssh?
[01:07] <mralphabet> AnRkey: I think you can change their shell to /dev/null and it won't let them log in, I don't know if that also blocks sftp
[01:07] <AnRkey> ok
[01:07] <AnRkey> thanks
[01:07] <AnRkey> gonna give it a bash
[01:13] <AnRkey> pardon the pun
[01:26] <AnRkey> mralphabet, nope, I have tried that now and it fails at login
[01:27] <AnRkey> switch it back and it's fine
[01:27] <AnRkey> any other idea's?
[01:35]  * nealmcb cheers for ivoks
[01:35] <jnc> AnRkey: do not use /dev/null
[01:35] <jnc> use /bin/false
[01:36] <AnRkey> jnc, tried that too
[01:36] <jnc> the other way is change 'x' for password to '!'
[01:36] <jnc> i.e. disable shadow password and the account
[01:36] <jnc> sorry I didn't read
[01:37] <jnc> AnRkey: you want password based authentication from /etc/passwd, or would ssh key work too?
[01:38] <AnRkey> i need to replace ftp for "special" people so keys are not a good idea
[01:38] <jnc> oh who cares if they have ssh access, just set their shell to log them out
[01:38] <jnc> non?
[01:39] <AnRkey> that could work
[01:39] <stiv2k> what is scsi_eh_1 ?
[01:39] <AnRkey> ~/.bashrc?
[01:39] <jnc> .bash_profile for bash
[01:39] <AnRkey> echo exit >> ~/.bashrc?
[01:40] <stiv2k> its popping up every couple of seconds in `top`
[01:40] <AnRkey> for those users that is?
[01:40] <jnc> AnRkey: it's actually .bash_login or something
[01:40] <AnRkey> ok
[01:40]  * AnRkey fiddles some more
[01:40] <jnc> you can try it yourself, just be sure to throw a "sleep 10s" in there
[01:40] <jnc> otherwise it's bad times
[01:40] <jnc> or create a crap account to play with
[01:41] <jnc> I don't want to hear you lock yourself out :)
[01:42] <stiv2k> anybody know?
[01:42] <jnc> stiv2k: kernel stuff
[01:42] <stiv2k> jnc: ok... just wondering
[01:43] <jnc> put on the tin foil hat if it bothers you :P
[01:43] <jnc> shiny side up!
[01:43] <stiv2k> basically
[01:43] <stiv2k> my server seems kind of slow since the upgrade to gutsy
[01:43] <stiv2k> and i cant figure out why
[01:44] <jnc> is swap enabled?
[01:44] <stiv2k> like it will lag when streaming a movie or even typing in the terminal thru ssh
[01:44] <jnc> oh
[01:44] <stiv2k> i dont really know
[01:44] <jnc> and check your DNS settings
[01:44] <stiv2k> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:44] <stiv2k> like it was fine yesterday
[01:44] <jnc> swapon -s will list your active swap space
[01:44] <stiv2k> but when i upgraded to gutsy it seems much laggier
[01:45] <stiv2k> /dev/sda5                               partition       465844  220     -1
[01:46] <stiv2k> any other ideas, jnc ?
[01:46] <jnc> free -m
[01:46] <stiv2k>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:46] <stiv2k> Mem:           248        244          4          0          3         75
[01:46] <stiv2k> -/+ buffers/cache:        166         82
[01:46] <stiv2k> Swap:          454          0        454
[01:47] <jnc> uh
[01:47] <jnc> you only have 256mb ram?
[01:47] <stiv2k> yea
[01:47] <stiv2k> but it didn't really seem to be a problem up until now
[01:47] <jnc> nah, 75mb in the cache should be fine
[01:47] <jnc> but a bump to 512mb physical would help you out a lot
[01:48] <stiv2k> the machine only supports a maximum of 128 mb per DIMM slot
[01:48] <stiv2k> and there are only 2 DIMMs
[01:48] <stiv2k> (it's old)
[01:48] <jnc> ha.  okay hmm
[01:49] <stiv2k> i see scsi_eh_1 and hald-addon-stor showing up on top every couple of seconds
[01:49] <jnc> HAL is kind of weird for a server, but whatever
[01:49] <stiv2k> jnc: dont know how it got there
[01:49] <stiv2k> jnc: do you think i should get rid of it?
[01:49] <jnc> it's part of the new Ubuntu system
[01:50] <stiv2k> oh
[01:50] <jnc> honestly if you're running on a box with 256mb RAM, you may be happier running Debian Etch
[01:50] <stiv2k> why?
[01:50] <jnc> it's basically the same without the nice kernels and hald crap
[01:51] <stiv2k> ah
[01:51] <jnc> I know it was working for you before, so that's one thought, going with the earlier version
[01:51] <jnc> or Ubuntu LTS 6.06
[01:51] <stiv2k> well i was running feisty yesterday and it was fine
[01:51] <stiv2k> then i did the release upgrade and things seem slower
[01:52] <jnc> bad DNS settings can cause lag
[01:52] <stiv2k> well the only nameserver i'm using is the router
[01:52] <jnc>  /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf
[01:53] <stiv2k> oh ok
[01:53] <stiv2k> straight to paste in here?
[01:53] <jnc> if you have search justkidding.com   and your host is wax.myears.net,  then trying to look up wax will hang for a while
[01:53] <jnc> because it tries wax.justkidding.com first
[01:54] <stiv2k> steve@galatea:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:54] <stiv2k> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:54] <jnc> yeah don't paste the whole thing
[01:54] <stiv2k> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost
[01:54] <stiv2k> <IP_ADDRESS>       galatea.neoturbine.net neoturbine.net
[01:54] <stiv2k> <IP_ADDRESS>    galatea.neoturbine.net neoturbine.net
[01:54] <jnc> what...
[01:54] <stiv2k> i dont know if its configured properly
[01:54] <jnc> get rid of the line with your IP address
[01:55] <AnRkey> jnc, i run a box with 128 at work and it's a proxy for 100+ teachers
[01:55] <jnc> AnRkey: I just don't go near hardware that might be problematic, is all
[01:55] <stiv2k> jnc: there's also some ipv6 stuff in the /etc/hosts
[01:56] <stiv2k> and finally,
[01:56] <stiv2k> steve@galatea:~$ cat /etc/hostname
[01:56] <stiv2k> galatea.neoturbine.net
[01:56] <jnc> clients don't pay me for stuff that costs less, they pay for stuff that works when I'm not around :)
[01:56] <jnc> stiv2k: okay your /etc/hostname should contain only "galatea"
[01:56] <stiv2k> jnc: ok...why is that
[01:57] <jnc> stiv2k: /etc/hosts should have one line for localhost, one line for your hosts....
[01:57] <jnc> <IP_ADDRESS> galatea.neoturbine.net galatea
[01:57] <jnc> so that's just wrong.
[01:57] <jnc> go fix that, reboot, see if it's any better
[02:05]  * stiv2k shrugs
[02:07] <stiv2k> i dunno if its the limitations of my wireless network, the shitty wireless driver i'm using on this laptop, or the server
[02:08] <stiv2k> but im only downloading at 120- - 170 KB/s from the server
[02:08] <stiv2k> when normally i'd get like 2.5 MB/s
[02:16] <stiv2k> rofl!!!
[02:16] <stiv2k> jnc: you're going to like this
[02:16] <stiv2k> i figured out the problem
[02:17] <stiv2k> (kinda)
[02:35] <jnc> stiv2k: what happened?
[02:35] <stiv2k> jnc: the slowness is due to the wireless driver on this laptop
[02:35] <stiv2k> i dunno if you've heard of b43 before
[02:36] <jnc> oh I've heard that it sucks
[02:36] <jnc> and how.
[02:36] <stiv2k> anyway, i have bittorrent open, and me downloading / uploading a torrent is maxing out the bandwidth the wireless driver can do (as of now they said it has severe Tx power issues)
[02:37] <stiv2k> even though im only downloading/uploading at about 40 KB/s
[02:37] <stiv2k> theres no more resources left for the 3 ssh sessions i have open to my server
[02:37] <stiv2k> make sense?
[08:11] <stork> how can i create a new user that can use sudo ?
[08:11] <ivoks> add it to admin group
[08:13] <stork> ah, cheers.
[09:43] <stork> grr
[09:43] <stork> have to install java6 by hand
[09:49] <ivoks> why?
[09:58] <stork> 6.06 doesn't have it in repos
[09:59] <stork> and i asked my admin to give me 6.06
[09:59] <stork> in retrospect, that was a bad idea
[10:28] <ivoks> there wasn't java6 at  the time 6.06 was released
[10:35] <stork> yarr
[10:54] <kraut> moin
[11:35] <ackerpaul> salut
[11:35] <ackerpaul> is there any x-windows within the server edition?
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> not on the install cd
[11:36] <ackerpaul> but it's possible to upgrade?
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> upgrade?
[11:37] <ackerpaul> or can i just pimp an usual desktop-ubunt into a server?
[11:37] <ackerpaul> aehm,...
[11:38] <ackerpaul> can i install  x-packages in an ubuntu-server edition
[11:38] <ackerpaul> ?
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[11:41] <ackerpaul> yes to both of the questions? ;)
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:59] <ackerpaul> thx
[13:45] <attunix> What libraries do I need installed to program in GTK?+
[13:49] <attunix> I keep getting an error that <gtk/gtk.h> header file doesn't exist.
[15:39] <jnc> I've read a few reports that Gutsy works as a dom0, but I can't seem to get it working like I had debian etch r4.0 working
[15:39] <jnc> :(
[15:39] <jnc> (Xen stuff)
[15:39] <jnc> then I was chased out of #ubuntu-xen by guys posting links of women eating poop
[15:40] <MenZa> lmao
[15:40] <MenZa> (That's not funny, but I find it that, somehow)
[15:40] <jnc> yeah.  People at datacenters have too much time to do nothing better.
[15:41] <jnc> that's my guess anyways... I'm still searching for a working configuration of Gutsy as dom0
[16:11] <mralphabet> o0
[18:34] <m11> hello
[18:36] <birmaan> evening
[19:33] <jose__> hi version server 7.10 have problem windows manager
[19:33] <jose__> ??
[19:40] <ivoks> i didn't quite understand the question
[20:44] <stork> eek
[20:44] <stork> i have a feeling my ubuntu 6.06 server is being DDoSd
[20:44] <stork> is there anything I can do to check?
[20:44] <stork> i.e. view incoming connections ?
[20:59] <nijaba> stork: netstat -a ?
[21:01] <Nafallo> if netstat, you want -n :-)
[21:01] <Nafallo> at least if you have many connections
[21:02] <nijaba> Nafallo: right, it will be quicker
[21:03] <Nafallo> probably want -t as well
[21:09] <stork> eh maybe not
[21:09] <stork> thanks guys
[21:09] <stork> think i'm alright
[21:09] <stork> server just decided to slow itself up
[22:24] <jnc> okay, so is "cli" install the same as server install?
[22:24] <jnc> that's not a simple question, it's a literal question about the netboot installer
[22:25] <jnc> the netboot installer I have set up for Gutsy is prompting me to install with "install" or "cli"
[22:25] <jnc> I've tried "install" and it ends up installing openoffice.org-common, which is kind of odd
[22:26] <jnc> but who knows, is that what I want?
[22:31] <jnc> pschulz01: hi
[22:31] <jnc> =)
[22:31] <pschulz01> jnc: Morning.
[22:32] <pschulz01> jnc: What's up?
[22:32] <pschulz01> jnc: (doc)
[22:33] <jnc> heh.  just got a question about installation.  trying to relax this one day out of my week
[22:33] <jnc> how are you?
[22:33] <pschulz01> jnc: Go into work early :-)
[22:34] <jnc> ha, right, on a Sunday (here in the USA)
[22:35] <pschulz01> jnc: I'll be talking with American people tomorrow morning my time.. we're like.. 10 hrs behind and 1 day ahead.
[22:36] <pschulz01> Has your question been answered?
[22:36] <jnc> no, not acknowleged yet even
[22:37] <jnc> it was about netboot installs, what exactly is a "server" install in syslinux parameters?
[22:37] <pschulz01> jnc: Oh.
[22:38] <pschulz01> jnc: Not sure.. does it refer to 'netboot' at all?
[22:38] <jnc> nah.  I just am confused about what the difference is today with Gutsy of a Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server install
[22:38] <jnc> there's a split on the website, yet they ask you to download the same ISO image
[22:38] <pschulz01> jnc: I would guess that you would use the 'server' cd image rather than the desktop one.
[22:39] <jnc> is it really a different one?
[22:39] <jnc> I just looked, maybe I got it wrong
[22:39] <pschulz01> jnc: For me it's a driver thing.. rather than userspace software.
[22:40] <jnc> [Download Ubuntu Server Edition »]  == http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[22:40] <pschulz01> jnc: The server CD doesn't install much of the desktop software (if any) by default.
[22:41] <jnc> [You can download Ubuntu, or request a free CD from Canonical.] == http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[22:41] <jnc> so ...
[22:41] <jnc> I think this is confusing me
[22:41] <pschulz01> There are different iso images.
[22:42] <jnc> the website doesn't show it
[22:42] <jnc> I know there were different ISO images for Feisty Desktop and Feisty Server
[22:42] <pschulz01> jnc: THe server also doen't include the 'live cd image', os it will start installing straight away.
[22:42] <jnc> but now I look at Gutsy and I don't see them
[22:43] <jnc> ohh....
[22:43] <jnc> it's a radio button widget on the website form
[22:43] <jnc> someone needs to fix that website
[22:44] <atouk> how so?
[22:45] <jnc> if I click on the "more info" for Ubuntu Server, I read all about this great product, and I click the link [Download Ubuntu Server Edition]
[22:46] <jnc> well then, why is the Desktop edition selected?
[22:46] <jnc> making the user click again is not obvious
[22:47] <atouk> hmmm   sisn't confuse me.     guess i did it after i had my coffee
[22:47] <atouk> (didn't)
[22:49] <jnc> "Follow the [Download center] and choose Ubuntu Server edition today!"
[22:49] <jnc> that would be better
[22:49] <jnc> I'm a *nix admin, not a mouse in a maze. =)
[22:50] <atouk> well, once you get past that, installation is painless
[22:50] <jnc> okay, again with the website, what does the option for selecting an Alternate CD do if you download the Server edition
[22:51] <jnc> is Server edition shipping with a LiveCD mode and Gnome interface?
[22:51] <atouk> don't know    just downloaded 1 each of the desktop and server iso's
[22:52] <jnc> well, okay.  I'd like to do this from netboot install, so I will have to find out what the syslinux parameters are on the Server edition insatll
[22:52] <jnc> install, even
[22:53] <jnc> maybe I will get the ISO, unless you have one handy and would be willing to grab the syslinux conf for pastebin?
[22:53] <atouk> server install was pretty complete   only added ftp server and SWAT
[22:54] <atouk> what folder?
[22:56] <atouk> can't find a file named that
[23:03] <peanutb> Im looking at the gutsy server disc, and im wondering what is installed by the different options. Is this posted somewhere?
[23:09] <jnc> atouk: sorry, I got distracted by #ubuntu-chicago
[23:09] <atouk> np
[23:09] <atouk> peanut   the list of services?
[23:10] <jnc> atouk: if you do a search for 'boot.txt' it should be apparent
[23:11] <atouk> boot.txt is just some advertising
[23:12] <peanutb> atouk, yeah
[23:12] <atouk> ubuntu-installer/i386/boot-screens/splash.rleThe default installation is suitable...
[23:12] <atouk> haven't seen a list    lsts see if i can remember most
[23:12] <jnc> yeahhh... ubuntu-installer/i386/*.cfg
[23:12] <jnc> mine is labelled pxelinux.cfg
[23:13] <jnc> but for yours it would be syslinux.cfg?
[23:13] <atouk> lamp, css, progresssql, samba
[23:13] <jnc> oh wild.
[23:13] <atouk> a couple others i didn't install
[23:13] <peanutb> im guessing the print server is just CUPS configured to listen to other addresses, and the file server just samba
[23:13] <jnc> atouk: would you mind to pastebin them?
[23:13] <peanutb> mainly, im wondering about the mail server template
[23:14] <jnc> all of them as a single pastebin would be fine
[23:14] <jnc> peanutb: samba and nfs I think for the fileserver
[23:14] <atouk> if i can find them
[23:14] <atouk> yeah   mailserver was one too
[23:15] <atouk> (don't know flavor, etc)
[23:15] <pschulz01> atouk: postfix
[23:15] <peanutb> is it just a smtp-ish server or is it also imap.pop3
[23:15] <atouk> found prelinux.cfg    file length 0
[23:15] <peanutb> imap/pop3
[23:16] <jnc> nah, not prelinux.cfg
[23:16] <lamont> peanutb: SMTP MTA
[23:16] <jnc> yours should be called syslinux.cfg
[23:16] <jnc> it's the boot loader used by a bootable cd
[23:17] <peanutb> hmm. ok then
[23:18] <atouk> think i found it    named default in folder prelinux.cfg
[23:18] <peanutb> do they do any config at all? or is it just install packages?
[23:18] <atouk> configs everything on standard install.   i used expert so i could set static ip
[23:19] <jnc> atouk: ah, yeah that actually might be it, I think you're right
[23:19] <atouk> answer a few qustions, reboot, server running
[23:19] <atouk> painless
[23:21] <peanutb> i wish there was more documentation on this. I think im gonna see how i coulde get involved in makeing some
[23:23] <atouk> actually 2 default in seperate places
[23:23] <jnc> atouk, http://pastebin.ca/744948
[23:23] <jnc> so... my question now is, will netboot be sufficient to install Ubuntu Server?
[23:23] <atouk> don't know
[23:23] <atouk> did cd install
[23:23] <jnc> I think we will know more by comparing the syslinux lines
[23:24] <atouk> accept dcc
[23:25] <jnc> atouk: okay, ready now
[23:25] <atouk> still not showing?
[23:26] <jnc> no, I'm not very competent with irssi DCC stuff
[23:27] <atouk> hold on    i'll past a bit into a PM so you can tell if it's what you want
[23:31] <jnc> interesting, it also lists "cli" and "install"
[23:31] <jnc> so you picked "install" ?
[23:33] <atouk> did the expert install      standard uses dhcp, experts lets you enter the ip
[23:35] <jnc> yeah I would think that installing Ubuntu Server via netboot would be a supported and documented configuration, when in fact I don't see support and there's no documentation
[23:35] <jnc> heh
[23:36] <jnc> maybe I have to shell out money to pay for company-line support :(
[23:36] <jnc> atouk: thank you for your help!
[23:36] <atouk> shy not just burn a cd?
[23:36] <jnc> no cd drive
[23:37] <atouk> rack servers?
[23:37] <jnc> yup
[23:38] <atouk> usb ports?
[23:38] <jnc> sure, I don't think booting from them works though
[23:38] <jnc> is there a way to install Server from USB?
[23:39] <atouk> if usb is a bootable device    just get large capacity usb drive or a portable CD
[23:40] <atouk> of course if anything breaks, we never had this conversation
[23:42] <jnc> um.  "lol"
[23:42] <jnc>        /\
[23:43] <jnc>           :    :  : :  : : : : :::: zoom
[23:45] <atouk> one little gotcha.  if you want to use SWAT from a remote machine, you need to enable root logins
[23:46] <jnc> or use SSH tunneling like a sane person ;)
[23:47] <jnc> no disrespect meant
[23:47] <atouk> yeah   but SWAT makes setting up samba painless
[23:56] <jnc> atouk: just to be clear, what I meant is setting up port forwarding via Secure Shell, so that when a user directs their web browser on the desktop machine at http://localhost:10861/ or whatever port is being forwarded to the remote host to connect to (remote host as localhost) on the port for SWAT, it would work
[23:56] <jnc> as if the user was on the server as a local machine user
[23:57] <jnc> simpler example is I have a web service on my server available only to loopback and port 3000,  so I want this from my desktop, I port forward via SSH and set up 9999:localhost:3000, now on the desktop I go to http://localhost:9999/ and it works
[23:57] <atouk> haven't tried that.    just that if you log on as a regular user, you can only see configuration info, you need to be able to log on a root to make changes
[23:58] <jnc> ohh that is true, I had not considered this
[23:58] <jnc> I wonder, is there some group the user needs to belong to for it to work?
[23:59] <atouk> may be able to do it, but since my machine is going to be insulated, it was just easier to make root account active
[23:59] <jnc> =)


[08:17] <daddysturg> my ppa was rejected b/c I chose the section, Utilities. Is there anywhere I can get a list of Ubuntu sections?
[08:17] <daddysturg> nm, finally found it
[11:06] <iceroot> sorry to bother you with this but maybe you can have a look at fix it? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/184525
[15:55] <RenatoSilva> do people say downstream as opposed to upstream?
[15:57] <dobey> RenatoSilva: yes; ubuntu is a downstream of debian, for example
[15:58] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks dobey, so I can comment in the upstream bug and reference LP bug as a downstream bug?
[15:58] <dobey> yes
[15:58] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks dobey!
[20:10] <Davide_G> hi
[20:51] <KNRO> What's getting built on launchpad that makes my package scheduled for build in EIGHT hours?!
[20:52] <psusi> why does bug #321528 have a Baltix task, yet there is no history showing anyone marking it as affecting Baltix?
[20:58] <Ampelbein> psusi: 2011-11-06 13:16:52	Mantas Kriaučiūnas (mantas: 3989)	bug task added		baltix
[20:59] <Ampelbein> psusi: The "See full activity log" link at the bottom shows that.
[21:06] <psusi> why does it usually show up in the normal list but not in this case?
[21:07] <KNRO> is launchpad under abnormal load?
[21:08] <Ampelbein> KNRO: https://launchpad.net/builders/ Theres just a large queue.
[21:10] <KNRO> Ampelbein: yeah I see.. is this normal this time of the day? those are the daily builds?
[21:12] <Ampelbein> Could be, I don't keep statistics.
[21:13] <dobey> that page layout is confusing
[21:14] <dobey> well, can easily lead to confusion


[04:31] <Kilos> sjoe you early hey magespawn
[04:31] <Kilos> morning all
[04:45] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[04:46] <magespawn> left the computer on from last night, was doing some downloads
[04:47] <Kilos> aha
[04:47] <Kilos> well its very lekker to see you here
[04:47] <Kilos> have some coffee
[04:47] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[04:47]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[04:49] <magespawn> gotta run now or i am going to be late for work
[04:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[04:52] <Kilos> Maaz  gracias amigo
[04:52] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[05:24] <Kilos> hi bduk
[05:30] <bduk> More almal en kilos
[06:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:11] <Squirm> morning
[06:17] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  Squirm
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting-ssl-30.html
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> FYI for those of you admid'ing internet-facing services
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> admin'ing even
[06:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:37] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> SMS received: Dear Customer, Telkom will attend to your faulty services shortly. You'll receive an out of order rebate for the downtime.
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's new
[07:08] <Squirm> oh wow
[07:08] <Squirm> that's cool
[07:08] <Squirm> my folks often don't have internet
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is my line being dead
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> friends don't let friends use Telkom Internet :P
[07:09] <Squirm> yes
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:11] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[07:12] <Cantide> hello :p
[07:12] <Squirm> hey Cantide
[07:12] <Squirm> long time
[07:12] <Cantide> yeah....
[07:12] <Cantide> been busy ._.
[07:12] <Cantide> how are you Squirm and Kilos ?
[07:12] <Squirm> am good
[07:12] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:12] <Kilos> hows korea treating you
[07:13] <Cantide> good good :p
[07:13] <Cantide> just had a week off
[07:13] <Cantide> back at work this week
[07:13] <Kilos> nice
[07:13] <Cantide> done some travelling, eating, drinking etc :D
[07:13] <Kilos> haha
[07:14] <Cantide> what did i miss here? :p
[07:14] <Kilos> the fly got a daughter
[07:15] <Cantide> 'o';;;
[07:15] <Cantide> super~
[07:43] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:46] <magespawn> good morning
[07:50] <Vince-0> SUuup
[07:50] <Vince-0> oh, it's Wednesday - darn it
[07:50] <Vince-0> Kilos, ! I have 11.3 kilos :-)
[07:51] <Kilos> cool ty Vince-0  ill paas on the info
[07:51] <Vince-0> 11 IDE HDD, 8 SATA HDD, 1 SCSI HDD, 13 RAM sticks, 1 gfx card
[07:51] <Vince-0> just need to find a box that'll fit it
[07:51] <Kilos> wonderful ty so much
[07:51] <Vince-0> no problemo
[08:07] <charl> good morning
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:07]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:12] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:12] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:15] <magespawn> Vince-0, SCSI wow.
[08:29] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[08:30] <Kilos> and JabberwockyA19
[08:33] <Vince-0> yaa cleaned out old stuff at the office
[08:34] <Vince-0> I've actually booted a server with scsi drives on centos 6 - using it for testing
[08:38] <charl> hi Kilos, Vince-0
[08:38] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:38] <Vince-0> haai
[08:46] <magespawn> hi charl
[08:47] <magespawn> i think i have some of those laying around here somewhere
[08:59] <charl> hi magespawn
[09:20] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:20] <nlsthzn> good afternoon uncle Kilos
[09:40] <magespawn> gotta go again
[09:40] <magespawn> bbl
[10:03] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[10:04] <Kilos> wb bushtech  peer got you again hehe
[10:14] <bushtech> Kilos: Vodacom sucking again since last night
[10:19] <Spekko> Hey Kilos
[10:33] <Kilos> eish
[11:07] <magespawn> back
[11:13] <charl> wb magespawn
[11:13] <magespawn> ty
[11:13] <magespawn> work is going a bit beserk today
[11:22] <Kilos> just fix it
[11:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:55] <magespawn> Kilos, that is what every one keeps telling me too
[12:30] <magespawn> gotta go again
[14:37] <Kilos> sjoe when i sleep so does everbody else
[14:38] <charl> hi Kilos
[14:43] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:44] <Kilos> haha my little boetie is only 56 today
[14:45] <charl> congratulations !
[14:47] <charl> home time for me, bbl
[14:47] <Kilos> lol
[16:19] <charl> what happened to the topic again
[16:19] <charl> september next meeting
[16:20] <Kilos> the pro is getting old man, takes weeks to change the topic
[16:21] <Kilos> and i havent reminded him yet
[16:22] <Kilos> too busy enjoying and exploring kubuntu 14.04 64bit
[16:22] <Kilos> and doing data recovery on crashed 500g drive
[16:23] <Kilos> recovered just about everything
[16:24] <Kilos> i love linux, bestest os even for non pc pros
[16:25] <Kilos> and the 500g drive is working again after a drive zero and clean install
[16:26] <Kilos> got one funny message somewhere that said it had an illegal dos something or other in the mbr
[17:01] <charl> did you try smartctl ?
[17:01] <charl> sorry for delayed response, doing the evening house thing here :)
[17:09] <charl> bbl
[17:24] <charl> ok back
[17:24] <charl> needed to replace a network cable
[17:31] <Kilos> nope dunno about smartctl
[17:31] <Kilos> it wpouldnt even let me try to install ubuntu or linux
[17:31] <Kilos> wouldnt
[17:34] <Kilos> but testdisk sorted something so i could recover but it still couldnt boot, i think it might have been testdisk that said there was invalid stuff in the mbr thats why once i had my data i zeroed the drive
[17:37] <Kilos> the drive is one that was discarded where ian worked and had been in a pc that had a virus in the bios, do you remember me talking about that
[17:37] <Kilos> even flashing the bios didnt sort the m/b to be good again
[17:41] <Kilos> was some bug that renamed drives so bios didnt see them
[18:07] <charl> Kilos: you should try to run smartctl on all your drives regularly, it is very good at telling you if there are problems before they become an issue
[18:08] <charl> Kilos: i *try* to do it regularly but often neglect it myself though :(
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> how do you run it from cli?
[18:13] <Kilos> oh smarmontools thing
[18:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:34] <charl> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself
[19:21] <magespawn> hey all, back again
[19:22] <superfly> hi magespawn
[19:26] <magespawn> hey superfly
[19:26] <magespawn> how is the family?
[19:45] <superfly> good thanks
[20:05] <magespawn> i saw that pirate hat photo, pretty cool
[20:30] <inetpro> good evening
[20:30] <Kilos> hi inetpro  you ok?
[20:30] <inetpro> uh why?
[20:30]  * inetpro is always ok
[20:30] <Kilos> well you been so busy the topic is still old
[20:31] <inetpro> ai!
[20:31] <Kilos> lol
[20:35] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the new date and link?
[20:35] <Kilos> ai!
[20:36] <Kilos> i didnt save any info will check date quick
[20:36] <Kilos> 28th oct looks like
[20:36] <inetpro> found it
[20:37] <Kilos> never mind now inetpro  ill try get the info from nuvolari
[20:37] <Kilos> oh clever man
[20:37] <Kilos> you as good as google at times
[20:38] <magespawn> hi inetpro  Kilos
[20:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[20:42] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[20:50] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:08] <magespawn> like a boomarang


[06:39] <inetpro> good morning
[07:12] <superfly> hi inetpro
[07:54] <sakhi> mooning
[08:11] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro nuvolari  and all you other fells
[08:11] <Kilos> fellas
[08:17] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, how are you doing?
[08:18] <Kilos> im fine ty just my probs from lucid are now in maverick since i did rsync
[08:18] <inetpro> eish
[08:18] <Kilos> even software centre disappears halfway through installing
[08:18] <Kilos> lol
[08:19] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel, sal jy
[08:19] <inetpro> Kilos: that's why I always do selective synching when I do my upgrades
[08:19] <inetpro> with a new upgrade I always start with a clean home folder
[08:20] <inetpro> then I only copy configs and data across that I know I need
[08:20] <inetpro> like .mozilla/.thunderbird/.firefox/.purple....etc
[08:21] <inetpro> and my own data files I keep in a top level folder called my
[08:21] <inetpro> eish...
[08:26] <Kilos> now even xchat closing
[08:26] <Kilos> and pc reboots on its own
[08:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:59] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos create a new user and log into that user and see if you're still having problems
[09:59] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:24] <inetpro> superfly: good idea
[10:33] <inetpro> 3G connectivity in Shellybeach / Margate areas suck big time
[10:34] <inetpro> guess I can't complain to much because at least the connectivity is there, but its definitely not fast and not stable
[10:36] <inetpro> I get relatively the same speed with either Vodacom or MTN via 8ta
[14:02] <Kilos> sorry superfly i have tried to do a clean install but it wont even do that. i have partitioned and all but it cant find a valid filing system or something
[14:02] <Kilos> i am using 9.04 here now
[14:03] <Kilos> i have even tried to install dos onto it so far but it keeps saying grub failure
[14:04] <Kilos> is there a place i can just get grub and try install that off a usb stick
[14:04] <charlvn> yeah installing dos won't help, grub installs itself into the mbr i think, dos won't override that
[14:05] <charlvn> when you do an ubuntu install, it should prompt you "would you like to install grub" or something like that
[14:05] <charlvn> that should overwrite the grub in the mbr and configure it correctly
[14:05] <Kilos> lol i have even tried dos fdisk which used to kill anything
[14:05] <charlvn> yeah unfortunately fdisk doesn't bother with the mbr either
[14:06] <Kilos> charlvn, i have tried 3 or 4 times to install sometimes advanced and once letting it use the whole disk
[14:06] <charlvn> sorry, i missed half the conversation, what are you trying to do?
[14:07] <Kilos> trying to install 10.10 but pc crashed earlier
[14:07] <Kilos> programs kept closing on their own
[14:07] <Kilos> like a virus crashes windows
[14:08] <Kilos> how do i get into the mbr
[14:08] <Kilos> i can put that drive in here as a second drive if i can get in that way
[14:11] <charlvn> ah i see, not sure, can't say i had similar experience myself
[14:12] <charlvn> sorry wish i could be of more help :)
[14:14] <Kilos> maybe there is a way of rewriting the mbr
[14:14] <Kilos> i have a cd that does troubleshooting but was scared of it till now
[14:14] <Kilos> will take a look
[14:15] <Kilos> np charlvn ty
[20:50]  * inetpro very happy to have figured how to check vc data bundle balance from the cli without sim swapping


[00:07] <Pici> nalioth: Could we get ubot3 in #ubuntu, ubottu is MIA
[00:08] <PriceChild> Myrtti: council are able to restart it... or is it more dead than that?
[00:08] <Myrtti> then why haven't you already :-<
[00:08] <LjL> PriceChild: we are?
[00:08] <PriceChild> Myrtti: because you pinged those two and didn't say what was wrong so i figured it wasn't anything i could help with
[00:09] <PriceChild> LjL: you missed the memo?
[00:09]  * PriceChild finds the link
[00:09] <Myrtti> :-<
[00:09] <Pici> 17:32:42 >>>> ubottu (n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu) has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
[00:09] <LjL> PriceChild: or i've forgotten it
[00:09]  * Myrtti facepalms
[00:09] <Myrtti> oh well, back to my skype video call
[00:10] <PriceChild> Running the bot start script
[00:10] <PriceChild> Done
[00:10] <PriceChild> LjL: I'll forward it to you again.
[00:11] <LjL> i have a feeling floodbot might be tuned a tad more aggressively
[00:11] <PriceChild> ubottu is back and joining slowly.
[00:11] <nalioth> ah
[00:11] <nalioth> ping pong
[00:12] <Pici> LjL: You mean you will tune it more aggressively?
[00:12] <hischild> Ubottu seems to be gone. This is for a reason?
[00:12] <Pici> hm?
[00:12] <LjL> Pici: well, i meant it seems like a reasonable idea to do so
[00:12] <LjL> Pici: that huge flood could have been avoided after the smaller flood that came before it
[00:12] <Pici> LjL: Agreed.
[00:12] <Myrtti> hischild: we've noticed the situation a few moments ago
[00:12] <Myrtti> and it's coming back already, as you can see
[00:12] <Myrtti> hischild: was there anything else?
[00:12] <Pici> hischild: The bot takes a bit to rejoin the channels, so just be patient :)
[00:13] <hischild> Myrtti, Pici, I only joined moments ago but it catched my attention. Thanks.
[00:13] <Pici> hischild: And it takes a bit for it to respond, it needs to rejoin all its channels first.
[00:13] <hischild> Pici, i see. I'll be patient and wait for it.
[00:14] <LjL> uhm
[00:14] <LjL> what the hell is this
[00:14] <Myrtti> now what the heck
[00:14] <Pici> Thats jenda
[00:14] <LjL> not jenda
[00:14] <LjL> the operation timed outs
[00:14] <Pici> Dunno, maybe a bot attack in another channel?
[00:15] <LjL> looks more like a server gone south
[00:15] <Pici> Or that.
[00:16] <LjL> yet, there's 26 online, i.e. all of them. bah
[00:17] <Pici> Maybe one of them went down and came up before you checked?
[00:17] <LjL> likely
[00:17] <LjL> also, i can't really guarantee i can count up to 26
[00:19] <Myrtti> :-D
[01:28] <mrwes> Hey, can you please remove the ban on me?
[01:34] <Myrtti> ooh, you're actually waiting now for an answer?
[01:34] <mrwes> er...yah
[01:35] <mrwes> I've walked through the valley of death....
[01:35] <mrwes> and of course reread the CoC
[01:36] <Myrtti> am I the only one awake still?
[01:37] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[01:37]  * Myrtti pokes LjL
[01:37] <mrwes> appears so
[01:38] <mrwes> gotta be a joint decision aye?
[01:38] <mrwes> heh
[01:38] <Myrtti> no, I'm just about to head to bed (really late here) and I can't login
[01:38] <Myrtti> 2008-12-06 03:38:25
[01:38] <mrwes> ahh...Ok...I'll check back another time
[01:38] <Myrtti> hold on
[01:38] <mrwes> thanks Myrtti
[01:39] <mrwes> k
[01:39] <Myrtti> don't go vanishing now
[01:39] <mrwes> nod
[01:40] <Myrtti> LjL: can you login to ubottu?
[01:40] <LjL> yeah
[01:40] <nickrud> we really need to get the old name for ubottu back, I keep typing the wrong one ;(
[01:40] <Myrtti> I can't :-<
[01:40] <nickrud> nor can I
[01:40] <Myrtti> I can use my old session
[01:40] <mrwes> Myrtti, you in Europe?
[01:40] <Myrtti> yeah
[01:40] <mrwes> where
[01:40] <Myrtti> Finland
[01:40] <mrwes> ahh
[01:40] <LjL> mrwes, i wasn't the one who banned you
[01:40] <LjL> but i'll unban you
[01:40] <LjL> what does that mean?
[01:41] <mrwes> I used to live in Berlin
[01:41] <LjL> it means that if you give us reason to ban you again, i'd feel very embarassed
[01:41] <LjL> you don't want to make me feel embarassed, right?
[01:41] <mrwes> LjL, understood
[01:41] <mrwes> of course not
[01:41] <Myrtti> ok, since there's someone else on the line now, I'm heading to brush my teeth and vanish myself
[01:41] <Myrtti> nini babehs
[01:41] <mrwes> l8r
[01:42] <LjL> mrwes: you can join
[01:42] <mrwes> LjL, danke sehr
[01:42] <mrwes> :)
[01:43] <LjL> bitte
[02:02] <jdong> that's a different jdong. I swear :)
[02:04] <LjL> !omgjdong | jdong, who, this jdong?
[02:05] <jdong> :)
[02:14] <mneptok> has anyone talked to Seveas about releasing the "ubotu" nick?
[02:15] <nickrud> please please
[02:15] <nickrud> my fingers are simply unretrainable
[02:53] <bazhang> its mostly baked
[03:22] <bazhang> @login
[03:24] <mneptok> @boobjob
[03:24] <mneptok> :(
[04:28] <jdong> lol
[08:12] <Flannel> bazhang: Doesn't really matter, four word lines in the middle of an explanation isn't required
[08:12] <bazhang> Flannel, he was spamming
[08:12] <bazhang> Flannel, just trying an alternate route to get him to stop.
[08:13] <Flannel> I'm not sure "Oh, he's Seveas" will get him to stop, but sure.
[08:14] <Flannel> I'm willing to try anything once ;)  except most seafood.
[08:15] <bazhang> hehe
[08:31] <Flannel> LjL: What's up with the change in puregnome?
[08:31] <Flannel> the factoid, that is
[09:42] <jussi01> Hey all
[09:43] <bazhang> hi
[09:43] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[09:43] <jussi01> so ubottuwent awol for a while then?
[09:44] <Flannel> I have her timing out at 14:18, and then peer gets on her case at 14:32 (it's now 1:44)
[09:45] <jussi01> who was it who messaged me about it?
[09:50] <elkbuntu> jussi01, myrtti
[09:50] <elkbuntu> jussi01, she messaged you before we had any clue what the emergency was
[09:51] <jussi01> ahh,ok
[09:51] <jussi01> wonder why her number didnt come up.. well whatever..
[09:51] <elkbuntu> jussi01, carrier probably
[09:52] <elkbuntu> she was having a rather crappy day
[09:52] <jussi01> ok
[09:52]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[09:52] <elkbuntu> check her jaiku
[09:54] <elkbuntu> jussi01, specifically http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/50050778#c-1886792
[09:54] <jussi01> damn!
[09:56] <jussi01> someone recommend me a good speedtest site?
[09:56] <elkbuntu> speedtest.net
[09:57] <jussi01> :)
[09:58] <elkbuntu> it's one that caters to aussies at least
[09:58] <jussi01> ooh, nice my aunt has good internet :D
[09:58] <jussi01> http://www.speedtest.net/result/368146002.png
[09:58] <jussi01> at least much better than my dads...
[09:59] <elkbuntu> not bad at all
[09:59] <elkbuntu> she must me on the doorstep of the exchange
[09:59] <jussi01> yeah
[10:00] <elkbuntu> i'm even closer to an exchange than her :P http://www.speedtest.net/result/368146002.png
[10:01] <elkbuntu> i'm about 500m as the crow flies
[12:58] <Myrtti> hi kids
[13:20] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i assume the jaiku app is bandwidth respectful?
[13:21] <elkbuntu> given i only have 100mb/mth, it needs to be
[13:21] <Myrtti> fairly so
[13:21] <Myrtti> but...
[13:21] <elkbuntu> i've set it to be only on if used
[13:21] <elkbuntu> since i dont really care about it if i'm not looking at it.
[13:22] <Myrtti> yeah
[13:22] <Myrtti> I've personally ditched the Jaiku app though
[13:22] <elkbuntu> oh, why?
[13:22] <Myrtti> well
[13:23] <Myrtti> it is bandwidth respectful to certain degree
[13:23] <Myrtti> but when you go online with it... then it sorta starts updating
[13:23] <Myrtti> also
[13:23] <Myrtti> the app is very very old
[13:23] <elkbuntu> hrm ok. how do you update then?
[13:23] <Myrtti> it doesn't like to coexist with the later/latest Nokia apps, like Nokia Conversations
[13:24] <Myrtti> I just use http://m.jaiku.com and http://m.hellotxt.com :-/
[13:24] <elkbuntu> i'm also noticing it likes to own everything in your addressbook too
[13:24]  * elkbuntu deletes it.
[13:59] <LjL> Flannel: i explained why i changed !puregnome, it's outdated (tries to remove packages that never were installed by kubuntu-desktop), and even where it does work, it appears to remove a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with KDE
[14:11] <LjL> jrib: ah cute, can i have some? :P
[14:11] <LjL> jrib: actually no because i'm using konv, but do you use ubuntu's standard whois?
[14:12] <jrib> LjL: I use the GeoIP python module
[14:12] <jrib> LjL: can you write konv scripts in python?
[14:12] <LjL> jrib: i can write konv scripts in anything that can begin with a shebang
[14:13] <LjL> jrib: but they can't be particularly powerful
[14:13] <Myrtti> geoip? where?
[14:13] <Myrtti> ubottu?
[14:13] <Myrtti> pls?
[14:13] <Myrtti> me wants
[14:13] <jrib> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu.com/81379/ that's what it looks like for weechat
[14:13] <LjL> !info python-geoip | Myrtti
[14:14] <Myrtti> http://www.selfdestruct.org/misc/geoip.pl.html
[14:14] <LjL> jrib: thing that gets on my nerves is that, for some reason, the ubuntu/debian whois command doesn't really seem to know very much. for instance, it did resolve that fellow's APNIC entry, but i've seen many other APNIC entries that it had no idea about...
[14:25] <LjL> [15:24:40] <LjL> !away > Panarchy    (Panarchy, see the private message from ubottu)
[14:25] <LjL> [15:25:12] <orgthingy> LjL : the !away are the ones that waste channel chatting space
[14:26] <LjL> shall i say "no, your comment is what just wasted channel space" and we go on like that?
[14:27] <LjL> what's this, the revenge of the indonesians?
[14:38] <ikonia> LjL: just bring him in here to explain it
[14:43] <LjL> ikonia: cannot be bothered. he's been around long enough to know how stuff works and why, if he had wanted to.
[14:44] <LjL> ikonia: also, interesting that among his bantracker entries, there's *precisely* a kick for away
[14:46] <ikonia> shoke horror
[14:46] <ikonia> shock even
[14:51] <elkbuntu> my jaiku is purtier than Myrtti's
[14:52] <Myrtti> hehe
[15:55] <ikonia> @btlogin
[17:03] <jdong> anyone have ops in #ubuntu-devel?
[17:03] <jdong> 11:55  * invaleed is away (Please give me hug)
[17:03] <jdong> 11:55 -!- invaleed is now known as in[v]aleed
[17:03] <jdong> he's been doing this for 3 days now
[17:10] <ikonia> hobbsee is your best bet for quick action
[17:12] <jdong> yup, tried pinging her last night, will attempt again
[17:14] <Myrtti> whuddabout mnept?
[17:30] <ikonia> whoaaaa lag
[17:33] <Myrtti> ...
[17:33] <Myrtti> _21h_ is russian...
[17:33] <ikonia> he's gone in about 10
[17:33] <ikonia> he doesn't want what he's asking
[17:33] <Myrtti> he doesn't know what he is asking
[17:34] <ikonia> he does, he knows it's bad
[17:35] <LjL> can't you just tell him to man rm and cut the trolling? there *is* a --no-preserve-root option, after all
[17:36] <Myrtti> I wonder what's going on on -ru
[17:36] <ikonia> if you want to tell him that, go for it, I wasnt going to post that in a public channel for him to start shouting about
[17:36] <LjL> Myrtti: nothing special, he's not speaking there
[17:36] <LjL> ikonia: i told him to "man rm" already, but i didn't tell him what option to look for
[17:36] <LjL> twice
[17:36] <ikonia> watch for laughter in -ru now
[17:36] <Myrtti> surprisingly
[17:37] <ikonia> "ha, I trolled them good in #ubuntu"
[17:37] <ikonia> etc
[17:38] <LjL> he's still not speaking
[17:38] <ikonia> good
[17:43] <Myrtti> I feel so ... ignorant
[17:47]  * Mez sighs
[17:49] <Myrtti> I can't install that geoip.pl to my irssi as the server is lacking Geo::IP and I just don't know how to get them installed in my environment.
[17:49] <Myrtti> sucks.
[17:50] <Myrtti> on related news, it's the Finnish independence day.
[17:50] <Pici> Yay
[17:50] <Myrtti> http://loimaannorppa.blogspot.com/2008/09/suomalainen-hkyy-ja-eksyy-tielt.html
[17:50] <Myrtti> "A Finn is the one who answers when not asked..."
[17:51] <Pici> Neat
[18:00] <Mez> Myrtti: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/14/install-geoip-perl-module-on-debian/
[18:02] <Mez> that's three times now I've hit alt+f4 instead of alt+4
[18:02]  * Myrtti tries once again
[18:04] <Mez> Myrtti: actually, should be in libgeo-ip-perl
[18:05] <Myrtti> Mez: the problem is, I don't have root rights on this machine
[18:05] <Mez> Myrtti: ah - fair enough...
[18:05] <Myrtti> the server doesn't have libgeoip-dev, I can bypass that with PP=1
[18:05] <Myrtti> but make test fails
[18:06] <Myrtti> I think
[18:06] <Myrtti> Failed 3/4 test scripts, 25.00% okay. 31/33 subtests failed, 6.06% okay.
[18:06] <Myrtti> make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2
[18:06] <Mez> yeah, that probably requires the dev stuff
[18:07] <Myrtti> t/1_lookup........Error opening /usr/local/share/GeoIP/GeoIP.dat at (eval 3) line 438, <DATA> line 300.
[18:07] <Myrtti> it's looking for that in the wrong place
[18:07] <Myrtti> /usr/share/GeoIP/GeoIP.dat
[18:08] <Myrtti> meh.
[18:08] <Mez> is that in the package? or your install ?
[18:09] <Mez> actually, this isn't the place to help...
[18:09]  * Myrtti notes this isn't the help channel for help...
[18:09] <Myrtti> :-/
[18:09] <Myrtti> yeah. I'll just go to bed to listen to Eddings.
[18:09] <Mez> Lol - great minds think alike eh?
[18:10] <Mez> well, if you need help - you know how to poke me...
[18:55] <Myrtti> I'm almost tempted to put -ot to +m and forget to take it off
[19:23] <LjL> [20:23:12] <LjL> helping people is no justification for ignoring the channel rules.
[19:23] <LjL> [20:23:23] <AHMAD1NEJAD> ...
[19:23] <LjL> [20:23:35] <AHMAD1NEJAD> somebody breaking the channel rules is no justification for banning them from the channel
[19:24] <LjL> best retort ever.
[19:24] <Pici> hah
[19:25] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i'm banned from ubuntu for making one off-the-cuff remark
[19:25] <AHMAD1NEJAD> after helping noobs for like 20 minutes
[19:25] <LjL> no, that's not why you're banned from it.
[19:25] <AHMAD1NEJAD> well then
[19:25] <AHMAD1NEJAD> let's hear it
[19:25] <LjL> let's hear it?
[19:25] <AHMAD1NEJAD> yeah
[19:26] <LjL> i thought it would be pretty clear that, after two !offtopic warnings, you were supposed to DROP IT or take it here or to PM
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> what did i do to DESERVE a ban
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i got one offtopic warning
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> contested the warning
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> got another offtopic warning
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> and then a ban
[19:26] <LjL> indeed.
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> Ubuntu (IPA: [u?'bu?ntu?] in English,[2] [ù?úntú] in Zulu) is a free operating system based on Debian, a popular Linux distribution. Its name comes from the Zulu word "ubuntu", loosely translated as "humanity", describing the ubuntu philosophy: "I am who I am because of those around me,
[19:26] <Pici> What did you expect?
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> something along those lines ^
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> you know
[19:26] <AHMAD1NEJAD> an ounce of respect for people who are taking their own time to help others
[19:27] <LjL> AHMAD1NEJAD: you showed no repsect towards them when you made a completely inappropriate and irrelevant comment, and even less respect when you kept discussing your kick.
[19:27] <AHMAD1NEJAD> that doesn't make any sense
[19:27] <AHMAD1NEJAD> how is it disrespectful to make an irrelevant comment
[19:28] <AHMAD1NEJAD> 'because they have to read through it and then move their eyes to the next line'?
[19:28] <Pici> !guidelines
[19:28] <Pici> Please read
[19:28] <LjL> how it is? it is, clearly, because 1) there are guidelines, and other very helpful people are abiding to them, and who are you to do otherwise  2) the channel has 1500 people, and it's busy enough without getting irrelevant comments
[19:28] <AHMAD1NEJAD> 1500 people
[19:28] <AHMAD1NEJAD> maybe what, 1400 lurkers
[19:29] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i feel that my actions justify themselves
[19:29] <AHMAD1NEJAD> and that the channel guidelines are arbitrary and imposed likewise
[19:29] <LjL> then feel free to find another place to spend your time in.
[19:29] <AHMAD1NEJAD> without any consideration as to whether or not their application is at all beneficial
[19:29] <LjL> being in #ubuntu requires respect of the guidelines
[19:29] <AHMAD1NEJAD> what makes the internet worthwhile is the lack of guidelines
[19:29] <AHMAD1NEJAD> maybe you missed that memo
[19:30] <LjL> AHMAD1NEJAD: i take note of the fact that you have no intention of respecting the guidelines.
[19:30] <AHMAD1NEJAD> that is why wikipedia is more useful as a source of information than fox news
[19:30] <LjL> AHMAD1NEJAD: your ban won't be lifted, have a good day.
[19:30] <AHMAD1NEJAD> can i get somebody else's opinion
[19:30] <AHMAD1NEJAD> who didn't ban me in the first place
[19:30] <LjL> sure.
[19:30] <LjL> Pici: got a second opinion on hand?
[19:30] <AHMAD1NEJAD> no
[19:30] <AHMAD1NEJAD> not from a person of your selection
[19:30] <PriceChild> So far you have given your opinion, bear in mind other people's opinions may differ. Just because you see something as fact, doesn't make it so.
[19:30] <AHMAD1NEJAD> that's not how impartiality works
[19:31] <nalioth> AHMAD1NEJAD: attacking us isn't helping you
[19:31] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i'm not attacking anybody
[19:31] <AHMAD1NEJAD> in fact i haven't done that yet
[19:31] <nalioth> "A river in Egypt."
[19:32] <nalioth> most bans don't last 24 hours, AHMAD1NEJAD
[19:32] <Pici> Our channels are not ruled by a system of anarchy, the IRC Council was elected and they created the guidelines and enforce the rules here.
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i haven't made any derogatory remark
[19:32] <nalioth> why not take a break and try back later
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i spend twenty minutes teaching these noobs about dd, cfdisk, fstab, mount, all of it
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> and i say one thing that you don't understand
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> and the process begins
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> you label me as a troll
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> kick me
[19:32] <nalioth> AHMAD1NEJAD: you're definitely not helping yourself here
[19:32] <AHMAD1NEJAD> if i discuss the kick, i just get banned
[19:33] <AHMAD1NEJAD> how can you not see what you're doing as harmful?
[19:33] <AHMAD1NEJAD> how do you justify this?
[19:35] <nalioth> AHMAD1NEJAD: obviously, you've not read the CoC or our guidelines
[19:36] <nalioth> and if you have, you've forgotten the content immediately
[19:36] <AHMAD1NEJAD> you're not listening to me at all
[19:36] <nalioth> come back in 24h
[19:36] <AHMAD1NEJAD> what use are the guidelines if their execution is harmful
[19:36] <AHMAD1NEJAD> you can say you're restricted by them
[19:36] <AHMAD1NEJAD> but they're only used at your own volition
[19:36] <nalioth> well, they only seem 'harmful' to trolls - which you disavow being among
[19:37] <AHMAD1NEJAD> what makes your judgment of 'trolls' impartial, or absolute?
[19:37] <nalioth> i hate time wasters
[19:37] <AHMAD1NEJAD> there you go again! i'm just trying to discuss this with you
[19:37] <AHMAD1NEJAD> calmly and rationally
[19:38] <nalioth> AHMAD1NEJAD: please come back in 24h
[19:38] <AHMAD1NEJAD> forget it
[19:38] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i can't believe you people turn ubuntu
[19:38] <AHMAD1NEJAD> the one-laptop-per-child distro
[19:38] <AHMAD1NEJAD> into this
[19:38] <Myrtti> errr
[19:38] <Myrtti> ubuntu isn't the olpc distro
[19:39] <Myrtti> Sugar is based on RedHat IIRC
[19:39]  * nalioth passes Myrtti the salt
[19:39] <AHMAD1NEJAD> oh well
[19:39] <AHMAD1NEJAD> no wonder
[19:39] <AHMAD1NEJAD> i bet you'd ban the kids who came to #ubuntu
[19:39] <PriceChild> Is Ahmadinejad a common surname?
[19:39] <nalioth> don't feed the trolls -and this guy is definitely one.
[19:40] <nalioth> i suspect they run betting pools in ##politics as to how long they can "act normal" elsewhere before they get k/b'd
[19:49]  * Mez chuckles @ nal's salt comment
[19:49] <Mez> Myrtti: I actually thought that OLPC were going to be using some crappy XP modded version now ?
[20:16] <Myrtti> Mez: they have that too
[20:17]  * genii sips
[20:25] <jdong> Mez: the project is starting to become a sellout
[20:25]  * jdong watches his back, being less than 2 blocks away from the Media Lab...
[20:53] <ikonia> had any trouble from  arch-ot today ?
[20:53] <ikonia> my hightlight picked up this
[20:53] <ikonia> 18:48 < fogobogo> hullap: never watched #ubuntu just for the fun?
[20:53] <ikonia> 18:48 < Losowski> fogobogo: Actually...if you would like to laugh (besides being on this channel), join #ubuntu!
[20:55] <LjL> ikonia: losowski was in earlier, talked mild nonsense
[20:55] <ikonia> Hmmm,
[20:56] <ikonia> I'm quite bored of this arch-ot and ubuntu-ru stuff
[20:56] <ikonia> PriceChild: didn't you speak to the arch-ot operators ?
[20:57] <Myrtti> ikonia: you're not the only one who is getting bored
[21:46] <Myrtti> correct me if I'm wrong
[21:47] <Myrtti> but isn't it so, that Firefox isn't particularly a GTK software?
[21:51] <LjL> Myrtti: that's my understanding too
[21:51] <LjL> although it definitely depends on libgtk
[21:51] <LjL> but that might simply be for, say, Open File dialog boxes
[21:59] <nalioth> it can be compiled with the QT library or the OS X Cocoa libs, too
[22:28] <JeremyE> Hi
[22:29] <JeremyE> IS anybody here?
[22:29] <JeremyE> LjL: Are you there?
[22:29] <LjL> no
[22:29] <JeremyE> Hello
[22:29] <JeremyE> I'm back after taking some time away to serve my sentence
[22:29] <JeremyE> Sorry about spamming, it was very noobish
[22:34] <JeremyE> LjL: Hello?
[22:35] <LjL> JeremyE: oh, hi!
[22:35] <JeremyE> LOL HI!
[22:35] <LjL> JeremyE: ok, ok you're unbanned
[22:35] <JeremyE> Thanks a lot
[22:35] <JeremyE> It won't happen again
[22:36] <LjL> i hope so
[22:54] <Mez> JeremyE: you sorted?
[22:54] <JeremyE> Yes
[22:54] <JeremyE> Thank you
[22:54] <Mez> !idle | JeremyE
[22:54] <Mez> er... oops ;)
[22:56] <Mez> nalioth: you around?
[22:58] <Mez> or any IRCC
[22:59] <LjL> i'm around
[23:01] <Mez> LjL: pm?
[23:02] <nalioth> Mez: pong
[23:03] <Mez> nal - I'll catch you up in PM ...
[23:14] <jdong> sounds kinky


[01:38] <wrinkliez> is there a way to tell how many times a file has been downloaded? or how many hits a ppa gets?
[01:39] <wgrant> wrinkliez: You can see a download count for files you've added to a project.
[01:40] <wgrant> And I've implemented PPA download stats, but I'm not sure if the script is running yet.
[01:40] <wrinkliez> wgrant: i seee...
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: Do you know if any progress has been made on that front?
[01:41] <spm> not offhand, no
[01:44] <wrinkliez> i think im having trouble finding this download count
[01:44] <wrinkliez> :S
[01:44] <wgrant> wrinkliez: https://launchpad.net/PROJECT/+download
[01:52] <wrinkliez> do you have to create that page or something? i got a page not found
[01:53] <wgrant> wrinkliez: Which project?
[01:54] <wrinkliez> not a project, i dont think, but https://launchpad.net/~wrinkliez/+archive/ppasearch
[01:54] <wrinkliez> just a script
[01:55] <wgrant> wrinkliez: That's a PPA. As I said, it's implemented, but not in operation yet.
[01:55] <wrinkliez> oh thats true you said that lol
[01:55] <wrinkliez> cool
[01:56] <wrinkliez> clearly im a nub at this whole schpeal ^.^
[01:57] <wgrant> lamont: Around?
[05:43] <MTecknology> This life long wait to build a package is getting really irritating
[05:43] <MTecknology> what's going on that it's so plugged up - and why is there never any change in priority?
[05:45] <MTecknology> I wish somebody could answer that. :(
[05:51] <wgrant> MTecknology: Why would there be a change in priority?
[05:51] <wgrant> What good would that do?
[05:53] <MTecknology> wgrant: the last I knew (unless it changed) the longer it sits, the higher the priority gets, the more likely it is to get built next - certain pockets and things got higher priorities, so they were more likely to be built first but if a package sat too long it would gain more priority over the other packagebuilds.
[05:53] <MTecknology> the other builds*
[05:54] <spm> over newer ones, yes. not over ones that are of a similar age.
[05:54] <wgrant> MTecknology: The time-based increments have been turned off, since they didn't affect anything.
[05:54] <wgrant> Because all packages had them applied.
[05:54] <MTecknology> oh
[05:54] <wgrant> So it didn't make any different.
[05:54] <wgrant> *difference
[05:54] <MTecknology> makes sense
[05:54] <MTecknology> what about the massive congestion?
[05:55] <wgrant> I think we may have a Python stack rebuild in progress.
[05:55] <wgrant> We should deprioritise that.
[05:56] <MTecknology> When I left work 6 hours ago this package was estimated to be built in 3 hours, it's still estimated for 3 hours - it's been sitting there about 15 horus now.
[05:56] <wgrant> Yes, build farm master overhead is probably well over 100% at the moment.
[05:57] <wgrant> So the estimates will be too low.
[05:58] <MTecknology> So ... super-duper-command stop python-stack --purpose=yay
[05:58] <MTecknology> :D
[05:58] <wgrant> Pretty much.
[05:59] <MTecknology> amd64 queue is 22 hours - that was 32 hours earlier
[05:59] <wgrant> Right. Lots of the python stuff is arch-all, so only builds on i386.
[05:59] <MTecknology> hm?
[06:00] <wgrant> The amd64 queue is shrinking.
[06:00] <MTecknology> my i386 build was done about 4 hours ago
[06:00] <wgrant> Right.
[06:00] <wgrant> THe amd64 queue is currently long because of some bad situations of the last couple of days.
[06:00] <wgrant> The i386 one is long mostly because of the Python rebuild.
[06:00] <MTecknology> oh
[06:00] <MTecknology> what kidna bad situations?
[06:01] <wgrant> 1) Bad split of builders between i386 and amd64.
[06:01] <wgrant> 2) Most of the buildds were gone for several hours last night.
[06:01] <MTecknology> what abotu before that - it was congested even before that, wasn't it?
[06:02] <wgrant> Mostly because of the bad split.
[06:03] <MTecknology> so that split happened twice?
[06:03] <wgrant> At the moment there are 22 i386 builders, but onlyl 13 amd64.
[06:04] <MTecknology> ooh.. there should be about 22 amd64 builders then?
[06:04] <MTecknology> +/-
[06:04] <wgrant> No.
[06:05] <wgrant> I'd probably give it 17ish.
[06:05] <wgrant> But the queues are so bad at the moment that that wouldn't help too much.
[06:05] <MTecknology> 4 makes that big of a difference?
[06:05] <MTecknology> oh
[06:05] <wgrant> Over time it does, yes.
[06:05] <wgrant> that's an extra 30%.
[06:06] <MTecknology> So once the congestion dies down (since it's catching up) and a few more builders come back - things should be smooth yet again?
[06:07] <wgrant> Probably.
[06:07] <MTecknology> I think you guys should buy about 200 more powerful servers for building :D - then no queu time. :P
[06:08] <MTecknology> wgrant: thanks very dearly for that information - it's very nive to know
[08:25] <lifeless> oops 0656o530
[08:25] <lifeless> oops-0656o530
[08:26] <lifeless> oops-0656O530
[09:01] <BlindFreakazoid> hi
[09:02] <BlindFreakazoid> My lp account has been suspended and I have no clue why or how I can activate it again :(
[09:06] <spm> BlindFreakazoid: what's the account name? the ~<userid> bit
[09:06] <BlindFreakazoid> konradgraefe
[09:08] <spm> BlindFreakazoid: apparently there were reports of your account being used to send spam
[09:08] <BlindFreakazoid> ouch
[09:09] <spm> I can re-enable, but pls be careful :-)
[09:09] <BlindFreakazoid> thank you
[09:09] <BlindFreakazoid> :)
[09:27] <wrinkliez> hey guys.  im packing my application now, and im on the changelog.  im at the part where I'm supposed to put a distribution, but what if it doesnt matter which distribution?
[09:27] <wrinkliez> do i put all? any? do i not put anything?
[09:37] <wgrant> wrinkliez: Put the distribution series (eg. 'lucid') that you want the package to build for.
[09:41] <wrinkliez> wgrant: what if it will work on every distribution? its juts a script...
[09:57] <sluimers> Hi there!
[10:03] <sluimers> I have a question about launchpad's PPA, what do I need to change in order for my packages to be compiled in both i386 and amd64.
[10:03] <sluimers> .=?
[10:03] <sluimers> Also, why is it taking such a long time these days?
[10:04] <sluimers> It used to take minutes.
[10:04] <mwhudson> sluimers: some of the machines that usually serve as builders have been borrowed for other purposes
[10:04] <sluimers> ahhh...
[10:04] <mwhudson> well
[10:05] <mwhudson> to be more fair, some of the machines that are usually on loan as builders have been taken back :-)
[10:05] <wgrant> They're back now, but the queue is immense.
[10:05] <mwhudson> ah
[10:05] <wgrant> And the Python stack rebuild isn't helping (roughly 2.5k builds)
[10:05] <sluimers> And the i386 thing? It used to be that my packages were being compiled in lpr, amd64 and i386
[10:06] <sluimers> which I didn't understand in the first place.
[10:07] <sluimers> Is that because of the borrowing as well?
[10:07] <wgrant> 'Architecture: all' packages are built on only i386, because you've stated that the binaries from one architecture will work on the rest too.
[10:07] <wgrant> You probably want 'Architecture: any' instead, which will build separately on each.
[10:08] <sluimers> Are there any other architectures launchpad builds on?
[10:08] <sluimers> Or is it just those three.
[10:08] <sluimers> ?
[10:08] <mwhudson> ppas just build on x86 and amd64
[10:08] <wgrant> Just those three.
[10:08] <mwhudson> and lpia for old releases?
[10:08] <wgrant> Although lpia is gone from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.
[10:08] <mwhudson> builds for the ubuntu archive can build on more archs
[10:50] <sense> I'm chaning my nickname from 'qense' to 'sense' and I would like to do the same on Launchpad. However, the nickname 'sense' there is already registered by someone who created his account on 2006-02-20 but never did anything with it. Is it possible to request that nickname?
[10:53] <sluimers> Is it possible to upload one package for multiple series?
[11:04] <jayvee> Is PPA uploading broken for anybody else?
[11:04] <bigjools> what is your problem with it?
[11:05] <jayvee> I’ve attempted to upload to my PPA several times today (dput ppa:jeremy-visser/python-iview) and got no response from Launchpad. Not even an ‘accepted’ or ‘rejected’ e-mail.
[11:06] <jayvee> Not gone in to spam either.
[11:06] <bigjools> ok, are you signing the upload with a key registered to your account in LP?
[11:06] <jayvee> Yep.
[11:06] <bigjools> ok let me check the logs
[11:06] <jayvee> CF13C41A
[11:07] <jayvee> I also accidentally uploaded to the Ubuntu archive the first time, and normally if I accidentally do that I get a big “REJECTED” e-mail, but didn’t get a response from that either.
[11:07] <jayvee> I hope your server didn’t ban me because of that. ;)
[11:07] <bigjools> ok I see the upload processor blowing up with your upload, which means 2 things, 1) your package has a problem, 2) we have a bug  :)
[11:07] <bigjools> let me check the details
[11:08] <jayvee> heh
[11:08] <jayvee> Well it’s building fine in pbuilder for me.
[11:08] <jayvee> But I guess that’s not relevant.
[11:09] <bigjools> hmmm it says verification of your key failed
[11:09] <bigjools> is it on the keyserver?
[11:09] <jayvee> so why didn’t it e-mail me and tell me that?
[11:09] <bigjools> because there's a bug
[11:09] <jayvee> yeah it’s been on the keyserver for years
[11:09] <jayvee> many signatures
[11:09] <bigjools> ok - keyserver might  be flaky again :(
[11:10] <jayvee> which keyserver are you referring to?
[11:10] <jayvee> I think it’s on all of them anyway. :)
[11:10] <bigjools> keyserver.ubuntu.com
[11:10] <jayvee> well I just synced my key again then
[11:10] <jayvee> dunno if it’ll make any difference
[11:11] <jayvee> so should I try uploading again?
[11:11] <wgrant> Is it actually a key not found error, or something more sinister?
[11:11] <bigjools> I'm trying to trace that
[11:11] <bigjools> the error from GPG is "No public key"
[11:11] <jayvee> yeah my key is actually `;rm -rf /#CF13C41A
[11:14] <jayvee> uploading a new one now
[11:14] <jayvee> uploaded.
[11:15] <wgrant> The key looks fine, and other uploads are being accepted fine...
[11:15] <jayvee> if the error was that the key was missing, this should have rejiggled it
[11:15] <jayvee> i.e. me syncing the key
[11:16] <bigjools> wgrant: getVerifiedSignature() is failing
[11:17] <jayvee> wonder if going to ~jeremy-visser/+editpgpkeys and reimporting the key would help
[11:17] <wgrant> It wouldn't.
[11:18] <wgrant> The fingerprint associated with your account is correct.
[11:18] <wgrant> And the key is on keyserver.u.c, and isn't expired there.
[11:18] <bigjools> gpgme is failing it, I've no idea why
[11:18] <jayvee> ha, Karl Goetz has signed my key
[11:19] <jayvee> I don't remember meeting him at the keysigning
[11:19] <jayvee> although i've met him other times
[11:19] <bigjools> with that error "No public key"
[11:19] <wgrant> bigjools: Does it give a fingerprint or key ID in the message?
[11:19] <bigjools> nope, that is all
[11:19] <wgrant> It's /possible/ it's complaining about the dsc instead.
[11:19] <bigjools> no, it's the changes
[11:20] <wgrant> Damn.
[11:20] <bigjools> "GPG verification of python-iview_0.2-1~bzr57~ppa1~karmic_source.changes failed"
[11:20] <wgrant> And it really is CF13C41A?
[11:20] <bigjools> jayvee: we don't generally email about gpg failures otherwise it's a spam vector
[11:20] <wgrant> If it is, all I can suspect is the internal keyserver being flaky...
[11:20] <bigjools> I suspect that also
[11:21] <jayvee> $ debsign -kCF13C41A python-iview_0.2-1~bzr59~ppa1_source.changes
[11:21] <jayvee> trying a second upload after running that command
[11:21] <wgrant> :(
[11:22] <jayvee> just in case it's picking the wrong key
[11:22] <jayvee> like my expired apt repo key
[11:22] <jayvee> but the terminal output looks okay
[11:22] <jayvee> actually, hang on
[11:22] <jayvee> gpg: Signature made Wed 14 Jul 2010 20:20:59 EST using RSA key ID 480A7272
[11:22] <jayvee> what the hell is 480A7272
[11:22] <wgrant> Aha.
[11:22] <wgrant> That would do it.
[11:22] <bigjools> :)
[11:23] <wgrant> The Internet has never heard of it.
[11:23] <StevenK> I tend to use -k with the e-mail, not the key ID
[11:23] <jayvee> http://pastebin.com/0YsbdPyh
[11:23] <bigjools> so when you answered "yeah it’s been on the keyserver for years" you didn't actually check
[11:23] <jayvee> I did check
[11:24] <jayvee> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xBECE90AACF13C41A
[11:24] <bigjools> but not the key that you were signing with, I mean
[11:24] <jayvee> but funny thing is, that's resulting after I ran debsign -kCF13C41A
[11:24] <jayvee> hang a sec
[11:24] <jayvee> 480A7272 is a subkey of CF13C41A
[11:24] <wgrant> Oh.
[11:24] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:24] <wgrant> Damn.
[11:25] <wgrant> Hm.
[11:25] <wgrant> That subkey is brand new.
[11:25] <jayvee> ah wow, I forgot I created that
[11:25] <wgrant> It's on the keyserver, though.
[11:25] <jayvee> so looks like it's been signing everything with that subkey
[11:25] <wgrant> I can --recv-keys it fine.
[11:25] <jayvee> but given that it's a subkey, shouldn't it be trusted anyway
[11:25] <wgrant> But I wonder if LP is getting confused.
[11:26] <jayvee> yeah possibly a grep like error
[11:26] <wgrant> It's meant to work with subkeys.
[11:26] <wgrant> There's code to do it.
[11:26] <jayvee> grep 'RSA key ID $KEY_ID' `gpg-verify-stuff`
[11:27] <jayvee> and I'm not sure I can force it not to sign with the subkey
[11:28] <jayvee> so now I remember why I created that subkey. it's cause I read that 1024-bit keys are getting quite weak.
[11:28] <jayvee> so adding a 4096-bit subkey should make it stronger, no?
[11:29] <wgrant> bigjools: Where in getVerifiedSignature is throwing the exception?
[11:29] <bigjools> impossible to tell
[11:29] <maxb> jayvee: uh..... strong subkey, weak root key, are you not seeing a flaw here?
[11:30] <wgrant> bigjools: Ah, that kind of exception handling... excellent.
[11:30] <jayvee> maxb: don't know enough about crypto to tell, sorry
[11:31] <bigjools> wgrant: GPGVerificationError is thrown in a few places, it's one of the first 2
[11:31] <bigjools> given that the other places hard-code a different error
[11:31] <wgrant> Ah, true.
[11:34] <StevenK> jayvee: If you're worried that 1024 isn't strong enough, create a new key
[11:34] <jayvee> thanks for the advice — I’ll consider doing that.
[11:34] <jayvee> I’m not worried. Just thought it might be a good idea. :)
[11:38] <jayvee> So do any of you know gpg or debsign well enough to recommend me a workaround?
[11:39] <wgrant> I'm not entirely sure of how having multiple signing keys works.
[11:39] <jayvee> The ABC have changed their server backend thus breaking Python-iView, so I need to get this update out to quell the e-mail flood I’m getting. :)
[11:39] <wgrant> Ahhh, I thought I knew your name from somewhere.
[11:40] <jayvee> wgrant: you’re an Aussie too?
[11:40] <wgrant> Yep, Melbourne.
[11:40] <StevenK> IE, "Mostly, but only until we can kick Victoria out."
[11:40] <wgrant> Heh.
[11:51] <spiv> Huh, a 504 Gateway timeout view a merge proposal.
[11:51] <spiv> s/view/when I tried to view/
[11:55] <jayvee> hey, one of my packages went through 28 minutes ago
[11:55] <jayvee> did somebody manually approve it?
[11:56] <StevenK> We can't do that for PPAs
[11:56] <jayvee> puzzling
[12:04] <jayvee> well to work around this issue, I expired the 4096-bit key, so now gpg defaults to the primary key again
[12:04] <jayvee> I guess if I want to do it right, I should make a new 4096-bit key.
[12:05] <jayvee> or, rather, create a new 8192-bit primary key, then have a 4096-bit subkey.
[12:05] <jayvee> and then save the 8192-bit key offline on a flash drive buried somewhere where I won't be able to find it by the time I expire the subkey. :)
[12:05] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:06] <jayvee> during which time there will have been an EMP shockwave from North Korea and it will have been wiped anyway
[12:06] <jayvee> or that solar storm like during the 1800s
[12:06] <wgrant> Does EMP kill flash?
[12:07] <jayvee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
[12:07] <jayvee> we're due for another one in 2012
[12:07] <jayvee> http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/nasa-warns-of-super-solar-storm-2012/
[12:07] <wgrant> Hmm, inconvenient.
[12:08] <jayvee> as for me, I'm looking forward to being able to see an aurora from where I live
[12:08] <jayvee> should buy a decent camera before then.
[12:10] <jayvee> ha, did canonical just die
[12:10] <wgrant> The LP spring has vanished for lunch.
[12:10] <wgrant> Er.
[12:10] <wgrant> sprint.
[12:10] <jayvee> "<IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>" registered to Gestin Holding a.s. in the Czech Republic
[12:12] <wgrant> Yep. They're in Prague for the week.
[12:12] <jayvee> coincidence? I think not. :)
[12:12] <jayvee> hey here's a suggestion: maybe you should enable your amd64 or lpia builders to build 'any' arch packages
[12:13] <jayvee> because your i386 builders are way slower than your amd64 ones
[12:16] <wgrant> jayvee: The i386 queue is long because there's a rebuild of the Python stack going on.
[12:16] <wgrant> That's 1700 i386 builds, but only a few hundred amd64 builds.
[12:17] <wgrant> However, I did write a branch yesterday which lets i386, amd64 and lpia builders build packages from any of those architectures.
[12:17] <wgrant> Which would solve that problem.
[12:18] <jayvee> ouch
[12:30] <sluimers> Is it possible to upload one package for multiple series?
[12:30] <sluimers> For PPA
[12:32] <maxb> no
[13:14] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> hello there. One of our branches is stuck saying "Updating" for days now. https://code.launchpad.net/~mixxxdevelopers/mixxx/features_HSS1394
[13:14] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> What can I do to give it a kick?
[13:15] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> I think the order of events was 1) I committed, 2) said updating, 3) clicked upgrade branch before Updating went away, 4) the branch format didn't change, but now it's stuck
[13:23] <mb999> Anybody heard of a bug in ubuntu one where it thinks that your paid account is a free one?
[13:24] <nigelb> #ubuntuone
[13:24] <nigelb> err, sorry
[13:24] <nigelb> try asking in #ubuntuone
[13:24] <mb999> ta. will do
[13:30] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> bzr operations work fine
[13:30] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> on this stuck branch
[13:35] <maxb> Pegasus_RPGAMD64: Hi, best thing to do is to file a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+addquestion
[13:35] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> ok then, thank you
[13:36] <maxb> Unfortunately response time may not be great, because the relevant people are all in Prague having an annual week-long meeting
[13:38] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> oh fun
[13:38] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> well at least I can commit and stuff
[13:38] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> thanks for your time
[13:41] <nigelb> maxb: you're not there?
[13:42] <maxb> heh, no, I'm not a Canonical employee, I just loiter here a lot
[13:48] <Pegasus_RPGAMD64> ah, whew, commiting a change broke it free
[13:56] <lamont> wgrant: around now... still here?
[14:29] <MTecknology> wgrant: amd64 queue is 3 days now..
[14:31] <MTecknology> How do I push a build to a private ppa?
[14:32] <bigjools> you mean upload a source?
[14:33] <MTecknology> bigjools: ya
[14:34] <bigjools> same as a normal PPA
[14:34] <MTecknology> bigjools: yay, it took a while to respond so I thought I screwed up - thanks
[14:38] <MTecknology> bigjools: the priority is a lot higher now - is that because it's a private ppa or because of paying for the project?
[14:41] <maxb> private ppas get a hefty score bonus
[14:41] <MTecknology> maxb: oh, spiffy
[14:43] <bigjools> they do indeed
[14:44] <MTecknology> You won't hear me arguing :P
[15:07] <zul> hi how do I unsuspend a code import
[15:13] <maxb> hmm, he didn't stick around for long
[15:56] <pmjdebruijn> my AMD64 builds constanly being pushed back
[15:56] <pmjdebruijn> is the build farm overloaded again?
[15:57] <StevenK> There are currently 4 amd64 buildds, so the others must have been taken out
[17:00] <pmjdebruijn> StevenK: "taken out"?
[17:00] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/ppa/+build/1867418
[17:00] <pmjdebruijn> it seems to build in just a few minutes :)
[17:42] <czajkowski> Aloha, just wondering if someone could help with https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/117738
[17:42] <czajkowski> PLease
[18:06] <hexmode> checking
[18:09] <czajkowski> hexmode: thanks
[18:09] <czajkowski> hexmode: it's been assigned to launchpad itself by someone
[18:13] <hexmode> czajkowski: sorry, couldn't help.  for some reason, I thought this was -ngo
[18:13] <czajkowski> hexmode: no problem it's a LoCo issue
[18:14] <czajkowski> thanks though
[18:25] <BlindFreakazoid> spm: the account is still not working :( It now says "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. (Error ID: OOPS-1656K1205)" so I thought I have to wait a few minutes after the reactivation
[19:21] <lool> Hey; trying to understand why gdb fails to import (since June) in ~vcs-imports: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51937356/vcs-imports-gdb-trunk.log is the latest attempt from today
[19:21] <lool> These look like a patched cvs sending progress messages as to be able to limit the amount of data downloaded:
[19:21] <lool> 2010-07-14 18:16:12 WARNING checking out: 37252 kB
[19:21] <lool> 2010-07-14 18:16:26 WARNING checking out: 46784 kB
[19:22] <lool> these I don't get locally:
[19:22] <lool> cvs checkout: CVS password file /home/importd/.cvspass does not exist - creating a new file
[19:22] <lool> cvs checkout: existing repository /cvs/src/src/gdb does not match /cvs/src/src/texinfo
[19:22] <lool> cvs checkout: ignoring module src/texinfo
[19:22] <lool> hmm actually I do
[19:22] <lool> at the very end
[19:22] <lool> and locally cvs exits with error code 1 as well
[19:28] <lool> I've poked a gdb committed to ask about the server side setup
[21:25] <exarkun> I tried to file a bug, OOPS-1656B1429
[21:51] <czajkowski> sinzui: thanks