[03:23] <kishor> hello
[03:24] <kishor> i have gone through the documentation and considering my inexperience in the version control, i am finding it extremely difficult to understand the manuals.. I want to setup a central repository hosted on our ubuntu server... I am using bazaar-explorer as the team works both in ubuntu/windows ... any leads/links/directions will be highly appreciated
[07:20] <vila> hi all
[07:20]  * vila upgrades, bbl
[07:51] <vila> doh, one of those *painful* upgrade :-/
[08:39] <mgz> morning
[08:49] <vila> mgz: morning ! Thanks for the installers !
[08:50] <vila> mgz: I'm fighting with the last unity upgrade right now (lost my most used shortcuts :/)
[08:56] <mgz> I did get to go to bed in the end...
[09:19] <jml> hey guys, we have a couple of branches for udd that we'd like to see land soon:
[09:19] <jml> https://code.launchpad.net/udd/+activereviews
[09:20] <jml> (the 'stormify' and 'postgres' ones in particular)
[09:22] <vila> given the backlog we already have on bzr and udd, I'm afraid we won't get to them shortly :-/
[09:30] <jml> vila: we have patches for udd that date from mid-December, can we swap the recent patches with them in the patch queue?
[09:48] <mgz> I looked at the db changes mps and the diffs didn't scare me
[09:49] <mgz> am fine with approving them if you guys deploy it and chase up if things break
[09:56] <mgz> jml: for instance, storm does not seem to be on jubany
[09:58] <jml> mgz: ok. I'll have to talk with the team about that. Taking on responsibility for another service isn't a thing to do lightly.
[09:58] <jml> mgz: although it's not out of the question either.
[10:00] <mgz> I didn't mean for ever, just in response to james_w saying "care should be taken rolling this out"
[10:01] <jml> how is udd trunk controlled? pqm? tarmac? manual test runs?
[10:01] <mgz> the code looks fine to me, just can't commit to spending days debugging deployment issues
[10:02] <mgz> dunno. manually, I belive.
[10:03] <vila> jml: udd trunk is tested by deploying on jubany :-/
[10:03] <jml> vila: heh
[10:03] <jml> vila: you don't have anything that runs the test suite before landing changes to trunk?
[10:04] <vila> oh yes we have ! We call them devs :)
[10:07] <jml> vila: ok, thanks.
[10:08] <jml> I'm just wondering whether we should schedule some work so that jubany's udd is run more like other Canonical services.
[10:11] <vila> sounds fair
[10:13] <vila> from the top of my head, we need branches for udd/bzr/bzr-builddeb, packages from -cat, and some settings for apache, start/stop gracefullty the importer itself and.. lp setup (credentials and ssh key)
[10:14] <vila> ha, and the pgimport.conf which would probably be removed from the udd branch or something
[10:16] <vila> ha crap and the crontab of course, anyway part of it is already documented in READE_DEPLOYMENT and the rest would have to be found while changing the deployment process :-}
[10:19] <jml> yeah
[10:19] <jml> we could probably puppetize that pretty easily
[10:19]  * jml touches wood
[10:20] <jml> the fab thing that landed already demonstrates what an automated deployment process could look like.
[10:20] <vila> fab ?
[10:22] <jml> vila: it's yet-another-Make replacement. if you run 'fab deploy-to-ec2' after doing some set up with keys and stuff, you'll get an ec2 instance with udd running on it.
[10:23] <jml> vila: it's quick-and-dirty, but I needed something to test the binary package scan mode before I asked for it to be deployed on hadar.
[10:23] <vila> fabric ?
[10:24] <vila> yeah, fabric
[10:24] <jml> yeah.
[10:27] <jml> I'm looking forward to precise in the DC so we can charm up things like this
[12:14] <jml> how can I set up my locations.conf for colo so that I can push branches to lp:~jml/$PROJECT/$BRANCH_NAME automatically
[12:16] <jelmer> jml: for colocated branches or bzr-colo, the plugin?
[12:17] <jml> jelmer: colocated branches
[13:17] <jelmer> jml: afaik we don't have anything for that yet - possibly we should add a special config variable for that
[13:17] <jelmer> (name of the current colocated branch in the current directory)
[13:17] <LarstiQ> {nick}?
[13:18] <jelmer> ah, that's a good point
[13:18] <jelmer> that would usually work, unless you manually set branch nicks
[13:29] <jml> jelmer: I guess append_path might work?
[13:29] <jml> hmm, no, because it's not part of the path
[13:30] <jml> jelmer: I guess if nick is set you would want to push to lp:~USER/PROJECT/NICK anyway
[13:31] <LarstiQ> jml: and nick should default to colocated branch name now afaik
[13:31] <jelmer> jml: yep, that should work though
[13:32] <jml> LarstiQ: as in it does, or as in someone ought to make that the case?
[13:32] <jelmer> jml: nick will default to the colocated branch name if no nick was manually set
[13:32] <jml> nice
[13:32] <LarstiQ> jml: as in let me check if that is in 2.5
[13:32] <jml> LarstiQ: it is, I think.
[13:32] <jml> is nick not available in the config?
[13:33] <LarstiQ> jml: it is available as {nick} I think?
[13:33]  * jml tries
[13:34] <jml> push_location = lp:~jml/pkgme-binary/{nick} doesn't seem to expand.
[13:36] <LarstiQ> jml: feh
[13:36] <jelmer> vila: ^
[13:37] <vila> yeah, nick is one of the few options not migrated yet
[13:38] <vila> but {basename} works otherwise (at least for regular branches)
[13:39] <jml> vila: what's basename?
[13:40] <vila> the last part of the branch path, so ~/src/bzr/integration/trunk -> trunk
[13:40] <vila> ~/src/bzr/trunk -> also trunk
[13:42] <LarstiQ> hmm
[13:44] <LarstiQ> vila: it does not seem to get expanded, but maybe I'm not setting it correctly
[13:44] <vila> supporting {nick} will be nice (there was some pending discussion about changing when nick is updated related to master branches that I lost track about and was seen as a pre-requisite to the migration)
[13:44] <vila> LarstiQ: it's not linked to an option so it can't be expanded
[13:45] <vila> s/not linked//
[13:45] <LarstiQ> vila: `bzr config 'push_location=lp:~/project/{basename}'; bzr push` => bzr: ERROR: Option basename is not defined while expanding..
[13:45] <LarstiQ> vila: aha
[13:46] <vila> LarstiQ: basename is a "magic" option that can only be set in locations.conf
[13:47] <vila> so, correction, s/the last part of the branch/& when used in a locations.conf section/ :-/
[13:49] <LarstiQ> check
[13:49] <vila> it doesn't make a lot of sense to define it in branch.conf where it will always have the same value
[13:50] <vila> and defining push_location in locations.conf is not a super idea either as it means it overrides whatever you put in branch .conf
[13:51] <vila> so, lacking a defaults.conf, I currently defines mypush=lp:~vila/bzr/{basename} in my [/home/vila/src/bzr] section and then
[13:51] <vila> bzr push `bzr config mypush`
[15:33] <vila> mgz: ping
[15:33] <mgz> poing
[15:51] <luke-jr> Is it possible to get bzr to give me a 3-way diff of conflicts (HEAD, common parent, and merge source)?
[15:54] <mgz> giving --show-base to merge puts in the base revision for content conflicts
[15:54] <mgz> which you or your tools can probably interpret
[15:54] <mgz> for funny things like move/delete conflicts that's no help
[15:56] <mgz> remerging specific files with that flag added should sometimes help
[15:57] <mgz> you can also configure an external merge tool
[15:58] <luke-jr> can I make it default? :D
[16:01] <mgz> yeah. where is that actually documented...
[16:02] <mgz> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-reference/configuration-help.html#bzr-mergetool-name
[16:04] <luke-jr> might close https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/562669 then ;)
[16:05] <luke-jr> … but I don't have an external tool :|
[16:05] <luke-jr> I just want --show-base
[16:06] <jelmer> luke-jr: bzr alias merge='merge --show-base'
[16:06] <luke-jr> thx… guess I can deal with the conflicts manually
[16:06] <luke-jr> (cmdline conflicts, mentioned in that bug)
[16:21] <vila> jelmer: ping
[16:25] <jelmer> vila: pong
[16:25] <vila> jelmer: see pm ;)
[16:32] <jelmer> btw, did you see my email about bundling plugins?
[16:54] <mgz> have we got any tests for the bzrlib.transform progress display?
[16:54] <mgz> ...I guess I'll just post a simple fix and worry about pains like that later
[16:55] <vila> jelmer: yes, marked unread-need-to-answer
[16:55] <vila> jelmer: by the way, I've seen the gtk ghost progress bar once this morning
[16:56] <vila> mgz: hmpf, will be fun to add, no I don't think we have any
[19:24] <converge> I wish to get the 6.1 version of this repository, can someone help me ? https://code.launchpad.net/~openerp-commiter/openobject-addons/trunk-extra-addons
[19:41] <LarstiQ> converge: `bzr branch lp:openobject-addons/6.1` will get it
[19:44] <converge> LarstiQ: thanks
[19:45] <LarstiQ> converge: np
[22:07] <poolie> hi all


[02:21] <liuxg__> how to make a button un-clickable in QML?
[05:24] <Guest94518> hi.  someone know how to delete document completely from U1DB and not just do him blank by deleteDoc()?
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[12:07] <ahoneybun> omg almost 900 downloads!
[13:15] <sturmflut2> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.robert-ancell.mines Woohoo! Another entry on my wishlist goes away!
[13:18] <seb128> Robert rocks ;-)
[15:48] <mhall119> popey: what do I have to do to make neverball look nice on my N4?
[15:49] <popey> we're working on that
[15:49] <popey> https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch/issues/2#issuecomment-106852605
[15:50] <mhall119> cool
[15:50] <mhall119> I just played the first level, was difficult to navigate the start screens with all the graphical glitches, but I had fun anyway
[15:50] <popey> I suspect its a mir bug
[15:51] <ogra_> just get a properly supported phone :P
[15:51] <popey> make a graphics stack that doesn't depend on the device :p
[15:51] <ogra_> haha
[15:51] <ogra_> you wish
[15:54] <mhall119> popey: mir or SDL's mir backend?
[15:54]  * mhall119 would suspect the latter
[15:54]  * popey shrugs
[15:54] <popey> get a bug filed and let them figure it out
[15:55] <popey> (I have said this 3 times now and nobody seems to have done so)
[15:58] <nik90> popey: hey, is the clock-app on QA's radar? Or do we let them know after OTA-4 instead?
[16:00] <popey> nik90: it's not, but we should, yes. Let me mail them and get it on their trello board. r270 is the one you want, right?
[16:00] <popey> we can choose when to upload to the store of course.
[16:00] <popey> but get it past them.
[16:00] <nik90> yes r270 is the one
[16:01] <popey> ok. and use your manual testing in trunk?
[16:01] <nik90> popey: yes
[16:01] <popey> ok, will do now.
[16:01] <popey> sorry for not doing it before.
[16:01] <nik90> popey: http://pad.ubuntu.com/clock-app-changelog
[16:02] <nik90> popey: it should have all the necessary links and revisions logs
[16:02] <popey> great
[16:02] <nik90> no worries, it just got rdy a day or two ago
[16:07] <popey> mhall119: want me to file the mir bug if you're busy? :)
[16:25] <mhall119> popey: yes please
[16:25] <popey> mhall119: okay ㋛
[16:31] <popey> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1460149
[16:36] <mhall119> popey: +1'd it and added N4 screenshots
[16:36] <mhall119> looks better on mine than yours :)
[16:36] <popey> magic, thanks!
[16:36] <popey> haha
[16:36] <popey> looks better on my arale ㋛
[16:37] <popey> rub rub rub
[16:37] <mhall119> :(
[20:16]  * ahoneybun flashes his newly alive Nexus 4 with Ubuntu
[22:15] <ahoneybun> the terminal is awesome
[22:34] <ahoneybun> how does one make a page/tab flickable?
[22:41] <nik90> ahoneybun: You would need to add a QML component called Flickable{} inside your Page{}. You can find more information about Flickables at http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-flickable.html
[23:00] <ahoneybun> would that work in the SDK as well? Like can I test without having to push it to a device with a touch screen?
[23:00] <ahoneybun> nik90: ^
[23:01] <ahoneybun> the problem nik90 is that the content overflows the page and there is no way to move down to see the rest, atm I moved the buttons up so they stay on the page
[23:01] <nik90> ahoneybun: Yes you can use it in the SDK as well. It is used pretty much in every app that displays lot of stuff that doesn't fit the dimensions of a phone. And yes you can also test it without a touch screen by simply scrolling.
[23:02] <nik90> ahoneybun: QML Components *generally* work with multiple input methods..so a Flickable works in a touch environment by flicking, scrolling, dragging etc...and also using mouse scrolling on a mouse input device.
[23:03] <ahoneybun> nik90: I never could get the flickable thing to work
[23:03] <nik90> ahoneybun: your use case definitely fits the use case of a Flickable
[23:03] <nik90> ahoneybun: the key thing to getting a flickable to work is the "contentHeight" and "height" property.
[23:04] <ahoneybun> yea...
[23:04] <ahoneybun> how would that work on different devices
[23:04] <nik90> contentHeight refers to the total height that your components inside the flickable would need..where as height is the flickable height that is allowed.
[23:04] <nik90> so for example, height: page.height
[23:04] <ahoneybun> not a big deal really since I have only one device
[23:04] <nik90> while contentHeight: component1.height + component2.height etc...
[23:05] <nik90> if all the components fits on the screen, then the flickable will just not scroll but still work as intended
[23:05] <nik90> s/fits/fit
[23:05] <ahoneybun> where do I put the flickable inside the column?
[23:05] <nik90> ahoneybun: no...usually the Flickable is the direct child of a Page.
[23:06] <nik90> so Page { Flickable{} }
[23:06] <nik90> columns go inside the flickable
[23:06] <nik90> one sec, let me grab you a sample code
[23:06] <ahoneybun> thank you
[23:06] <ahoneybun> I like examples
[23:07] <nik90> ahoneybun: take a look at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/app/clock/ClockPage.qml
[23:07] <nik90> ClockPage.qml is a regular Page{}...in line 170 we use a Flickable
[23:07] <nik90> and put the UI components inside it
[23:08] <ahoneybun> as in buttons
[23:08] <nik90> yes
[23:08] <nik90> well buttons, text, columns, rows etc
[23:08] <nik90> anything UI element
[23:09] <nik90> think of Flickable as this dynamically changing Bag..you don't put a Bag inside other stuf..but rather stuff inside the bag
[23:09] <nik90> sry, I am terrible with analogy :P
[23:09] <ahoneybun> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubuntu-beginner/2.0/view/head:/components/Home.qml
[23:09] <ahoneybun> this is where I need it
[23:09] <nik90> ah perfect..just put that whole column inside the flickable
[23:10] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:11] <ahoneybun> let me try
[23:11] <nik90> ahoneybun: on the desktop, try reducing the height of your app to simulate small devices and see how the flickable allows the user to scroll through it to see all the buttons and information
[23:11] <ahoneybun> it will not even work right on the Nexus 4 lol
[23:11] <ahoneybun> look right
[23:11] <ahoneybun> I need to fix it badly
[23:13] <ahoneybun> so for my projects it would be contentHeight: omgubuntu.height + webupd8.height and such?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> *project
[23:13] <nik90> for your project it would be contentHeight: column.height
[23:13] <ahoneybun> jus that?
[23:13] <nik90> you need to give the column an id and use that
[23:13] <ahoneybun> *just
[23:13] <nik90> yup
[23:14] <ahoneybun> ok I'll try
[23:14] <nik90> since the column already dynamically adjusts its height to its children
[23:15] <ahoneybun> works but I get a error: QML Flickable: Binding loop detected for property "contentHeight"
[23:17] <ahoneybun> plus it shots you back to the tip
[23:17] <ahoneybun> *top
[23:17] <nik90> ahoneybun: let me try and send you a merge request ;)
[23:18] <ahoneybun> never had one of those
[23:18] <ahoneybun> I might want to upload my current work first lol
[23:18] <ahoneybun> though I cant
[23:18] <ahoneybun> dont think I have access to upload
[23:19] <nik90> what do you mean? Isn't this your own project?
[23:19] <ahoneybun> or knowledge anymore lol
[23:19] <ahoneybun> its been so long
[23:19]  * ahoneybun is learning git anyway
[23:19] <nik90> anyway give me 5 mins to get this sorted..it is really easy either way
[23:20] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:22] <ahoneybun> uploaded my current changes
[23:22] <ahoneybun> 2.0 is the newest
[23:22] <ahoneybun> now anyway
[23:29] <ahoneybun> awesome job on the music player guys
[23:31] <nik90> ahoneybun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11441359/
[23:32] <nik90> ahoneybun: Since you set anchors.fill:parent to the column and at the same time told flickable to take the column's height it got confused
[23:32] <nik90> its like saying me asking you for an idea, and then you reply with "you give me an idea"
[23:33] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:33] <ahoneybun> so I need to make changes on main.qml as well
[23:34] <nik90> no not really
[23:34] <nik90> I added Flickable{} stuff to main.qml...but you could very well have done it in home.qml instead
[23:34] <nik90> its just personal prefernce
[23:36] <ahoneybun> its broke
[23:36] <ahoneybun> I broke it
[23:37] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11441477/
[23:41] <ahoneybun> page size if off llol
[23:51] <nik90> ahoneybun: why did you add Flickable {} to both main.qml *and* home.qml ?
[23:51] <nik90> you need it in only one place
[23:52] <nik90> also remove the onFlickStarted signal..you don't need it
[23:56] <ahoneybun> someone is up with the width


[01:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[01:54] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ! Hiya .
[01:54] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om how are you
[01:54] <Bashing-om> I am Here .. able to be on IRC; so, all is well . You ?
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> all good here mate :p
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> its my day off
[01:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Do you run Intel/Nvidia hybrid graphics by some chance ?
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ati here why?
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Oh .. just want to get a copy of a log file on a stable system .
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> ah
[01:58] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: whats the issue exactly
[02:04] <Bashing-om> None presently .. I just work so many of them .. Want to see log_file: /var/log/gpu-manager.log from a stable system .
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: this is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17388097/
[02:11] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Thanks .. may come in handy . saved it .
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/06/snap-to-be-universal-linux-package-format
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> snappy getting big
[02:37] <Bashing-om> whoa .. and deployable on anything ! could be .
[05:48] <Bashing-om> done for this session .. G Nite .
[05:48] <Bashing-om> done for this session .. G Nite .
[06:09] <ducasse> morning all
[09:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:58] <OerHeks> :-)
[10:01] <BluesKaj> i'm up early, fell asleep early
[10:04] <OerHeks> Drabber says it is good for him, me standing up early
[10:04] <OerHeks> :-D
[12:36] <EriC^^> bug 1
[12:36] <EriC^^> bug 0
[12:36] <EriC^^> bug -1
[12:37] <EriC^^> bug 999999999
[12:37] <EriC^^> bug 1.1
[18:42] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Ya get theos with the ATI/16.04 graphic's driver situation squared away from my last night ?
[18:43] <OerHeks> he reinstalled, iirc
[18:44] <OerHeks> very strange situation, i couldn't get it clear
[18:45] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: A re-install .. with as much as He had mis-installed to try and fix .. most likely the better solution .
[19:07] <ducasse> i helped theos fix that earlier today, the problem was that installing fglrx had blacklisted radeon.
[19:09] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Ahh .. Good catch .. will try and keep that in mind for next time .
[19:11] <ducasse> we just commented out the blacklist entry and rebooted, and everything was fine. i'm guessing those blacklists would have been deleted if he had used purge instead of remove, though.
[19:14] <Bashing-om> No way to know for sure .. But I do recall checking for the presence of any FGLRX . Had not thought of radeon might be on the balcklist.
[19:16] <ducasse> he could have done a 'dpkg -l fglrx*' and see if there were any lines starting with 'rc', but i didn't think of that until later...
[19:17] <ducasse> unless of course the blacklist files were not registered as part of the package, but created by a postinst script. dunno :)
[19:19] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I did specify that ^ command, OP's response indicated none existed .
[19:20] <daftykins> you don't need the * in that command, also it'd error because you didn't grep
[19:20] <daftykins> oh no, didn't know you could use it that way
[19:21] <ducasse> Bashing-om: ok, then the blacklists are probably created by a postinst script or something like that. the package should have cleaned that up when purged.
[19:23] <Bashing-om> I generally advise ' dpkg -l | grep fglrx ' to look . // The good thing is that you ducasse had the presence of mind to look .
[19:24] <ducasse> Bashing-om: that's generally what i say too, just typed the short version above :)
[19:24] <daftykins> bit noisier output on this 'short' one
[19:24] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:35] <Bashing-om> There are times we like to see that noise .
[19:35] <ducasse> noisier, yes, but it can be helpful to see what the various codes mean. i tend to forget the less common ones.
[19:44] <OerHeks> oh good he didn't reinstall, as that was the last part i read of him
[19:58] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: ^ Thanks for taking over last night, If you had of paid me I still could not have kept my eyes from crossing. I had to go horizantal for a spell .
[21:15] <nacc> tgm4883: that felt a bit like who's on first :)
[21:15] <tgm4883> :)
[22:40] <Bashing-om> !manual
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Gomma go and upgrade 15.10 install to 16.04 . Be back soon .


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[06:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sdl12-compat [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [1.2.52-3]
[06:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sdl12-compat [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [1.2.52-3]
[06:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sdl12-compat [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [1.2.52-3]
[07:39] <seb128> doko, hey, why did you rename the tbb binaries, there is no explanation nor bug reference in the upload. It makes other things in the archive like gtk no build anymore because they use the old naming, should we at least have a provides?
[07:52] <doko> seb128: no libtbb-dev is built by onetbb. I'll go through the r-dependencies, and change those to libtbb2-dev which still require the old tbb. work in progress, waiting for the builds
[07:53] <doko> hmm, where exactly is gtk affected?
[07:53] <seb128> doko, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/589580643/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.gtk4_4.6.1+ds-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[07:53] <seb128>  libtbb12 : Breaks: libtbb2 (< 2021) but 2020.3-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:54] <seb128> doko, also onettb fails to build on riscv64 so gtk isn't going to be able to build there
[07:54] <seb128> which in on the path to have the new GNOME migrating
[07:55] <doko> the fix is uploaded
[07:55] <doko> ok, I'll look at the breaks
[08:01] <doko> ohh crap, libtbb12 ships multiple shared libs, with unrenamed sonames. bad packaging ... ok, I'll remove that again, until I have a solution for that one
[08:01] <seb128> thanks
[08:02] <seb128> we are past feature freeze, new packages should require a ffe anyway at this point
[08:04] <doko> this package was there, and only was removed yesterday.
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed mozjs78 from i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed shtool from i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gcc-12-cross-ports to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added onetbb to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added postgresql-common to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added racc to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added rubocop to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-ast to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-mini-portile2 to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-parallel to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-rainbow to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-regexp-parser to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-rubocop-ast to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-unicode-display-width to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ruby-whitequark-parser to i386-whitelist in jammy
[08:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added ssl-cert to i386-whitelist in jammy
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [i386] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [s390x] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:26] <seb128> sil2100, hey, any chance you could retry https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/jammy/ubuntu-canary ? it failed again on that
[09:26] <seb128> ! Could not open (any of):
[09:26] <seb128> !   http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.jammy/STRUCTURE
[09:26] <seb128> but the ubuntu iso built today so that seems a flaky error
[09:27] <seb128> sil2100, also if you retry you might need to tweak your cmd, the retry you did yesterday didn't include the canary ppa archive according to the log
[09:27] <sil2100> seb128: oh, crap, right - forgot about that. Let me do that via ancientminister then
[09:27] <seb128> sil2100, thx
[09:28] <sil2100> seb128: btw. how are you guys using the canary PPA? Is that like a staging fast-development thing before landing in the archive?
[09:29] <seb128> sil2100, yes, it's either for testing candidate fixes, or in this case I added debug code in an hacked version of livecd-rootfs to try to debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1963706
[09:30] <seb128> sil2100, but most of the time the ppa is empty
[09:30] <sil2100> seb128: ok, good, thanks!
[09:30] <seb128> np!
[09:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [arm64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: tbb [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2020.3-1ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:40] <juliank> sil2100: Let's force-skiptest netcat-openbsd/1.218-4ubuntu1 then I guess, my retry with new gsocket did not help britney either, let's migrate it, and hope britney doesn't crap out again
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [riscv64] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tbb [i386] (jammy-proposed) [2020.3-1ubuntu2]
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [sync] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-unicodedata2 [amd64] (jammy-proposed/none) [14.0.0+ds-8] (no packageset)
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-unicodedata2 [s390x] (jammy-proposed/none) [14.0.0+ds-8] (no packageset)
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-unicodedata2 [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/none) [14.0.0+ds-8] (no packageset)
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-unicodedata2 [arm64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [14.0.0+ds-8] (no packageset)
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-unicodedata2 [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [14.0.0+ds-8] (no packageset)
[10:01] <juliank> restarting lxd-armhf2, it has a broken lxd
[10:02] <sil2100> seb128: hm, this one failed even weirder? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/589592686/buildlog_ubuntu_jammy_amd64_ubuntu-canary_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:02] <juliank> sigh @ " A stop job is running for Service f?tion lxd.daemon (4min 48s / 10min)"
[10:03] <seb128> sil2100, no, that one is expected, that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1963706 I mentioned
[10:03] <seb128> sil2100, the snap preseeding is failing since the buildd have been updated to focal, the snapd team think we might get out of loop devices, I was trying to get more info by making it call journalctl on the failure
[10:03] <juliank> grub having a 30s timeout on cloud images is hilarious too
[10:03] <sil2100> juliank: ACK, let me skiptest it in this case. It's weird to me that it's still having problems...
[10:04] <seb128> sil2100, the ls /dev in the log also shows it has only 8 loop devices which I think helps
[10:04] <seb128> I'm going to go back to the launchpad team with that
[10:04] <seb128> sil2100, by 'helps' I mean to show that it has only that number, that's probably why snapd is failing
[10:07] <juliank> seb128: I think it's unable to run a migration-reference/0 and hence does not know the baseline
[10:07] <juliank> ugh
[10:07] <juliank> sil2100:
[10:10] <sil2100> Hint pushed
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-unicodedata2 [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [14.0.0+ds-8] (no packageset)
[10:26] <juliank> rabbitmq restarting, britney may lose some test requests
[10:26] <juliank> rather it thinks it queued them but didn't
[10:26] <juliank> It was supposed to restart a while ago, but the restart service was running as wrong user :(
[10:27] <juliank> Mär 08 10:25:54 juju-4d1272-prod-proposed-migration-8 maybe-restart-rabbitmq[751346]: connection_other: 1.6861 gb (57.04%)
[10:27] <juliank> who doesn't love that
[10:28] <juliank> not sure what ` maybe-restart-rabbitmq[751346]: other_system:<PHONE_NUMBER>3.7914 gb<PHONE_NUMBER>93.84%)` is all about ...
[13:17] <coreycb> doko: I maybe be hitting an issue with the new gcc-9-cross in focal. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7gqYM7QtKp/ it seems to be missing a closing bracket for one of the extern "C" {
[13:24] <coreycb> contents of /usr/lib/gcc-cross/aarch64-linux-gnu/9/include/arm_acle.h: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W5PmcNqJY5/
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: webkit2gtk [amd64] (jammy-proposed/main) [2.35.90-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: webkit2gtk [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/main) [2.35.90-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: webkit2gtk [s390x] (jammy-proposed/main) [2.35.90-1ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[15:48] <jochensp> with open3d working in proposed (thx mwhudson), can someone drop the old ppc64el binary so it can transition? (still no idea about the build failure)
[15:54] <bdmurray> ^ AA ping
[15:57] <seb128> that's not how things work, there is a valid build on that arch in the release pocket, the way you get it to migrate is by fixing the build failure in the candidate
[15:57] <seb128> or if it can't be built there you remove the arch from the control and ask to remove the binary from release in a bug that documents why
[15:58] <jochensp> (in Debian I would just fill a removal bug for ftp..)
[15:59] <jochensp> also it builds fine in Debian ppc64el so if someone can help with doing the necessary dance for Ubuntu I would appreciate
[16:01] <bdmurray> The build failure looks lto related
[16:01] <bdmurray> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/589594556/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-ppc64el.open3d_0.14.1+dfsg-7build2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:02] <jochensp> yeah it seems to use custom CXXFLAGS (like -O3) I don't know where they come from
[16:04] <jbicha> Ubuntu's ppc64el uses -O3; it's the only Ubuntu release architecture to do that
[16:05] <vorlon> seb128: fyi the "flaky error" is whenever the build lands on the unlucky cloud region (lcy02)
[16:05] <seb128> vorlon, ah, thanks
[16:06] <jochensp> jbicha: good to know, are there any other flags (LTO?) custom for ppc64el?
[16:07] <jbicha> -O3 is the only thing special about ppc64el I know of
[16:08] <vorlon> right, LTO is used across all our 64-bit archs, but there can be arch-specific implementation bugs
[16:09] <jochensp> yeah, we worked around LTO in build2 but it still FTBFS on ppc64el, that's why I wonder (and I don't think anyone uses open3d on ppc64el and there are no rdeps so dropping it seams easy)
[16:23] <jochensp> seb128: where should the bug go? (given that open3d builds fine in Debian)
[16:24] <seb128> jochensp, Ubuntu uses launchpad so on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open3d/+filebug
[16:24] <seb128> jochensp, there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open3d/+bug/1963556 but I don't know if that's the same issue
[16:25] <jochensp> (that's by me) no, that one is fixed with build2
[16:25] <jochensp> filled: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open3d/+bug/1964154
[16:26] <jochensp> can someone upload a build2 with ppc64el removed from the archs? (not sure I'm allowed to upload to the queue)
[16:28] <vorlon> that's not what we would do here; we would remove the previous open3d binaries from the archive, no source changes or reupload required
[16:30] <jochensp> that would be great (and was my initial request)
[16:30] <vorlon> as open3d has no reverse-depends, that's probably fine, though on the Canonical side we are generally trying to maintain coverage equal to Debian so I'll at least have a cursory look
[16:31] <vorlon> this looks like a candidate for a source upload that just sets DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=optimize=-lto on ppc64el
[16:31] <jochensp> vorlon: it is in the lto-disabled-list already (but maybe still worth a try)
[16:32] <vorlon> ah true, I don't see any of the lto commandline args passed to the compiler
[16:33] <vorlon> ok so the toolchain is broken, has any bug been opened on gcc for this?
[16:33] <jochensp> I'm not aware of a bug for that (I assumed different compiler flags till now)
[16:33] <vorlon> anyway, binary removal here seems entirely appropriate
[16:35] <coreycb> bdmurray: hello, if you get a chance I'd like to see if we can get the impish changes reviewed for #1960636. also I have a python-glance-store upload that needs rejecting in the impish queue.
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-glance-store [source] (impish-proposed) [3.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[16:37] <bdmurray> vorlon: Do you need anything more for bug 1964152?
[17:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vitrage [source] (impish-proposed) [7.5.0-0ubuntu2]
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted networking-baremetal [source] (impish-proposed) [5.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glance [source] (impish-proposed) [2:23.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted aodh [source] (impish-proposed) [1:13.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted barbican [source] (impish-proposed) [2:13.0.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[17:43] <vorlon> bdmurray: you should output of reverse-depends -a source but not reverse-depends without -a source?
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinder [source] (impish-proposed) [2:19.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[17:43] <vorlon> bdmurray: also given that it's tasksel, worth checking if it's seeded anywhere... which it is (ubuntustudio)
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> Wierd...
[17:44]  * Eickmeyer looks
[17:45] <bdmurray> vorlon: ack
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> vorlon, bdmurray: That means something is pulling it in. Any clue which package, or do I need to investigate?
[17:46] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer: ubiquity used to depend on it
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: We don't use ubiquity as of 20.10.
[17:47] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: multimedia-tasks depends on it
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Hmmmm...
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted designate [source] (impish-proposed) [1:13.0.0-0ubuntu2]
[17:47] <vorlon> which is a dep of multimedia-puredata
[17:48] <vorlon> anyway, it appears there is definitely some revdep work to be done on tasksel before it's fit for removal
[17:48] <bdmurray> vorlon: yeah, I see that now thanks. It can move to universe in the meantime though.
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> Which is a dep of puredata.
[17:50] <Eickmeyer> Actually, it's a suggests, not a dep.
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: onetbb (jammy-proposed/primary) [2021.5.0-7ubuntu2]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted onetbb [source] (jammy-proposed) [2021.5.0-7ubuntu2]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted webkit2gtk [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [2.35.90-1ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [riscv64] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted webkit2gtk [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [2.35.90-1ubuntu1]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-unicodedata2 [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [14.0.0+ds-8]
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted webkit2gtk [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [2.35.90-1ubuntu1]
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: onetbb [i386] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2021.5.0-7ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[18:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted onetbb [i386] (jammy-proposed) [2021.5.0-7ubuntu2]
[18:29] <ahasenack> hi release team, is this the live jammy release notes document? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[18:29] <ahasenack> i.e., can I start adding stuff there without fear of it being lost once the real release notes are published?
[18:30] <ahasenack> I wanted to highlight a change from focal, which is udp nfs mounts are disabled (since groovy), and that caught me (and one other person at least) by surprise: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1964093/comments/5
[18:31] <ahasenack> (and for a moment I thought it was my nfs-utils version bump that caused it)
[18:31] <bdmurray> ahasenack: It is
[18:31] <ahasenack> k
[18:31] <bdmurray> ahasenack: and thank you for thinking about the release notes!
[18:32] <ahasenack> cheers :)
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Still looking for a review for show-in-file-manager to resolve a Python 3.10 compatibility issue with rapid-photo-downloader.
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> Convoluted, I know, but it's related to a new version of r-p-d.
[18:35] <ahasenack> ok, noted down, maybe someone can make the text better, but the most important bit is there
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted postgresql-13 [source] (impish-proposed) [13.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:13] <vorlon> so why has a no-change rebuild of python-leidenalg incorrectly dropped the dependency on python3-igraph?
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected glibc [source] (focal-proposed) [2.31-0ubuntu9.6]
[20:33] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon,
[20:33] <LocutusOfBorg> I: dh_python3 pydist:292: Cannot find package that provides python_igraph. Please add package that provides it to Build-Depends or add "python_igraph python3-igraph" line to debian/py3dist-overrides or add proper dependency to Depends by hand and ignore this info.
[20:36] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ok but python3-igraph is a build-dep, so what is the actual fix here?
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ovn [source] (focal-proposed) [20.03.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:39] <LocutusOfBorg> I blame dh_python
[20:40] <LocutusOfBorg> but I'm checking debian build with newer python3-igraph
[20:40] <LocutusOfBorg> test build might give some hint
[20:42] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah, it fails in Debian too
[20:46] <seb128> vorlon, since when deleting binaries on $arch is an appropriate solution to let things migrated that started failing to build? :/
[20:52] <vorlon> seb128: in reference to open3d?
[20:52] <seb128> vorlon, yes
[20:52] <LocutusOfBorg> its science team, do we care? :)
[20:52] <vorlon> seb128: reverse-depends says it's a leaf package; and the arch-specific regression is a toolchain bug.  I don't see a reason to hold it in -proposed, am I missing something?
[20:53] <vorlon> seb128: in *most* cases where we see a per-arch Ubuntu build failure but not a Debian failure I would hold it because we don't want to regress in Debian, but I think this case is special because it's a toolchain issue
[20:53] <seb128> vorlon, release team in the past always pushed on overwritting test results or $stack issues as it removes the visibility on the issue and lower the pressure to get it fixed at the right place
[20:54] <vorlon> seb128: I opened a bug task on gcc-11 which is the right place for thi
[20:54] <vorlon> s
[20:54] <seb128> vorlon, also it seems highly inconsistent with your position on wanting to kick adsys out of the release pocket because tests were failing on one arch when the package is also Ubuntu specific and a leaf package
[20:55] <vorlon> seb128: adsys needed to get out of the way so the major language transitions could go through.  It was not clear to me at the time that adsys had a pending MIR (that's not one of the things I would ordinarily check) and that as a result it was a package of core interest
[20:56] <vorlon> so my policy there is to not regress test coverage, and the way to do that without holding up python3+perl indefinitely (since the longer it's blocked the more tangled it gets) was to demote the leaf package
[20:56] <seb128> vorlon, I was not speaking about kicking it out for letting python-default migrate, but after the migration was done when I removed the block tag you asked why we were letting a package with a failing test back in release
[20:57] <seb128> I mean I can understand the position than we don't want package broken in the release pocket
[20:57] <seb128> but then I struggle to understand why it's ok for one universe package and not another
[20:57] <vorlon> seb128: in general I think non-existent packages are better than broken packages
[20:58] <vorlon> seb128: but I also found your argument about adsys sufficiently persuasive that I didn't chase it further :)
[20:58] <seb128> :)
[20:58] <seb128> sorry I didn't mean to make an argument around adsys
[20:59] <seb128> I was just genuinely surprised that we considered ok to delete the build on one arch to let a package update migrate when the new version is failing to build
[20:59] <vorlon> yes; in most cases I look for whether Debian ftpmasters have also agreed to remove the architecture support before I do so
[20:59] <seb128> maybe I was dealing more with L_aney for such things in the past and his position is slightly different from yours and just never noticed
[21:00] <vorlon> in fact I took that position over the weekend
[21:02] <seb128> alright
[21:06] <seb128> vorlon, going back to the earlier topic of the ISO build failing when landing on lcy02, do you know if that is tracked by a RT or something? the desktop ISO has been failing for 3 days in a row on amd64, we might be unlucky but still sounds like it's happening often enough at this point that it would be worth getting resolved
[21:07] <vorlon> seb128: I'm afraid I don't know whether it's in an RT; cjwatson has been tracking it from the LP side, and jchittum was the first victim with the cloud images
[21:08] <seb128> cjwatson, jchittum, is that worth reporting a bug or filing a RT is that actively being worked on at this point?
[21:08] <seb128> vorlon, thx
[21:14] <jchittum> seb128: Is it failing early from trying to reach "people.canonical.com"?
[21:14] <jchittum> or is it failing from something related to loop devices?
[21:14] <jchittum> i'm reading back, sorry, bit distracted
[21:15] <jchittum> there is an RT related to failed metadata services related to lcy02
[21:17] <vorlon> jchittum: that's the one
[21:17] <vorlon> it breaks ISO builds also
[21:18] <jchittum> ah, we have an RT and an SF case now
[21:19] <jchittum> so it's escalated to "production" stuff but still no resolution due to the metadate issue
[21:31] <cjwatson> Right, it's in RT and has also been escalated to Bootstack who are the team who can actually do something about it
[21:32] <cjwatson> vorlon,seb128: https://portal.admin.canonical.com/C136237 and https://canonical.my.salesforce.com/5004K00000E8Ncg (with varying degrees of visibility on both of those)
[21:32] <cjwatson> (I can't even see the latter although I'm CCed on it)
[21:33] <cjwatson> It's not necessary to report more bugs/RTs
[21:43] <jchittum> I will say that this is going to cause releasing images for the current set of CVEs to be painful
[21:43] <jchittum> Gonna be a lot of retrying builds
[22:35] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[23:50]  * RAOF idly wishes that upstreams would produce deliberate tarballs didn't include .github detritus.


[01:06] <atarinox> this may like a strange bug....but after upgrading to feisty I can ONLY connect to unsecured networks w/ my wireless card (RTL8180 chipset). Another strange bug is that I have to add a junk character to the end of the ESSID of the secure network to connect....does it sound like the two are related? I can add a junk character to the ESSID of an unsecure network, but it still won't work.
[01:06] <atarinox> err....can only connect to SECURE wifi networks
[01:26] <W8TAH> whats the current thinking on pidgin with xubuntu -- is it stable enough to build from source?
[02:08] <dyoung_> Ay everyone!
[02:08] <dyoung_> Who wants to massage a noobie?
[02:09] <dyoung_> ...
[02:30] <kalikiana> dyoung_, That's a strange question. For a massage I would recommend a wellness center. ;)
[02:30] <dyoung_> Haha thanks
[02:35] <dyoung_> When installing, Xubuntu, how can
[02:35] <dyoung_> I force acpi
[02:36] <kalikiana> There ought to be a boot option, but I odn't know it by heart.
[02:36] <kalikiana> *don't
[02:39] <dyoung_> acpi=force
[02:39] <dyoung_> I just don't know where to type it in the boot options
[02:41] <miyako> hmm, I somehow made xfce unable to start up, I had been running beryl, and my window decorations died, so I killed beryl and beryl manager, and relaunched beryl-manger, but I didn't have the status icon, so I killed it and logged out of xfce and tried to log back in, and now xfce won't start at all, anyone have any ideas?
[02:41] <mads-> I'm about to download xubuntu. Do I want to download 6.10 or 7.04?
[02:42] <kalikiana> mads-, I would say you probably want 7.04 except you should encounter one of a few hardware issues.
[02:42] <miyako> mads-: 7.04 would be the newest version
[02:42] <kalikiana> For example with wireless lan.
[02:43] <mads-> I know 7.04 is the newest... Just haven't tried it out yet (I'm using normal ubuntu right now). But I have heard it contains some errors :S
[02:44] <kalikiana> mads-, It mostly works perfectly imho. But you *may* encounter specific problems which really depend on your system.
[02:44] <zials> can always test it out with a CD :3
[02:45] <miyako> well, the problem was with my configuration
[02:45] <miyako> I moved ~/.config/xfce4 to ~/.config/xfce4.bak and it seems to start fine now
[02:46] <miyako> the only thing I changed was the theme, is there any known issue with that, or shall I investigate further and file a bug report?
[02:49] <kalikiana> miyako, I did not hear from a theme preventing xfce from starting before. You should look for a bug or file one indeed.
[02:51] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, even now for some reason I'm not getting window decorations without beryl now
[02:51] <miyako> although I did remember that I also changed orage to start automaticall
[02:52] <miyako> that is possible the source of the problem as well
[02:56] <neozen> meep
[02:56] <kalikiana> miyako, When the decorations are missing, make sure that xfwm4 is running.
[02:57] <kalikiana> hi neozen
[02:57] <neozen> hoallo there
[02:57] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, it wasn't but it's all good, I'm using beryl now
[02:57] <miyako> hmm, I wonder if using beryl kinda undoes the benefits of having a lightweight desktop in the first place
[02:58] <kalikiana> miyako, As long as you are fine with it, it's okay. Many people are using xfce with kde and gnome programs - that's not any better.
[02:59] <neozen> lol.....
[02:59] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, I'm doing that as well, I have a powerful enough system, I just think XFCE looks a little nicer than gnome
[03:01] <kalikiana> miyako, In my opinion the overall user interface concept in XFCE is way better than the alternatives. And I don't use XFCE on low hardware (3GHz, 1GB).
[03:02] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, I think that I might agree, although I haven't used it extensively
[03:03] <miyako> I also quite like aspects of Enlightenment, but I can't use compiz or beryl with it, so no dice
[03:04] <kalikiana> miyako, You should try the macmenubar if you like unusual interfaces. ;)
[03:04] <miyako> hmm, is there a package for it?
[03:04] <miyako> I keep hoping that kibadock will get some stability, it's nice but really slow atm
[03:05] <miyako> I like the dock concept
[03:05] <miyako> I hate everything else about OS X
[03:05] <miyako> but I do like the dock lol
[03:06] <kalikiana> Nope, you will need to compile GTK+ to use the menubar. I actually like the concept of one global menubar which reduces the needed space on individual windows.
[03:06] <miyako> ah, I actually find that kind of irksome
[03:26] <mads-> Does KDE things, like KDevelop, work under xfce?
[03:27] <crimsun> sure.  Just use a package manager to install kdevelop.
[03:27] <crimsun> that will ensure that necessary dependencies are installed.
[03:27] <mads-> cool :)
[03:27] <mads-> thanks
[03:36] <fryguy101> Okay, last resort here. I've accidentally somehow killed both panels I had setup with the xfce panel, I've gone into settings manager and tryed to restore it through the panel manager, but it won't load. Any ideas?
[03:37] <kalikiana> fryguy101, Are the panels just 'missing'. Then run 'xfce4-panel' to bring them back.
[03:39] <fryguy101> Aha. Duh, so simple. I feel rather silly now./
[03:41] <neozen> fryguy101: no worry mon ... you'll pick it up
[03:44] <neozen> so how's xubuntu feisty treating you all?
[03:44] <neozen> beryl working well?
[03:45] <fryguy101> The computer I've got it running on is quite old. Not getting much in the way of eye candy, sadly.
[03:45] <fryguy101> But it was also a free computer, so I can't complain.
[03:51] <miyako> hmm, I want to play Oblivion, but if I start playing it I'll never get around to packing
[04:00] <esmier> join/#unofficial
[04:00] <esmier> ?
[04:02] <esmier> join/#unofficial
[04:02] <esmier> join/ #unoffical
[04:08] <neozen> heh... esmier I think you mean /join #unofficial
[06:03] <FrozenDawn> hello there
[06:03] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, hello :)
[06:04] <FrozenDawn> ^^
[06:04] <FrozenDawn> Could you help me ? I cannot find the hardware requirements for xubuntu 7.04 ...
[06:05] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, sure
[06:06] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, http://www.xubuntu.com/get#requirements
[06:06] <FrozenDawn> oops
[06:06] <FrozenDawn> well, thanks !
[06:07] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, you are welcome :)
[06:09] <FrozenDawn> seems i got machine for it ...
[06:09] <FrozenDawn> but i think i'll go with the alternate just to be sure
[06:10] <FrozenDawn> btw, can I configure it ot have a start menu and a taskbar somewhat like windows
[06:10] <FrozenDawn> (it's for my mom's computer ...)
[06:10] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, sure ..
[06:11] <FrozenDawn> well then, I am off to try it. Thanks again (love the ubuntu comunity !)
[06:16] <FrozenDawn> here to bother you guys again ...
[06:16] <FrozenDawn> i tryed to download an torrent, but I was redirected to an normal .iso file ...
[06:25] <FrozenDawn> ok ... I'll assume they switched back to normal download ... byes again
[07:04] <T`> does anyone have networkmanager working in ubuntu feisty?
[07:07] <Catoptromancy> like network settings?
[08:22] <shroomsky> hello
[08:22] <shroomsky> i need help with hard drive detection
[08:22] <shroomsky> i just switched to ubuntu and reformatted my c drive
[08:22] <shroomsky> all my back-up files is in my d drive
[08:22] <shroomsky> problem is, xubuntu cant detect my d drive
[08:23] <shroomsky> does it have something to do with it being FAT32?
[08:23] <TheSheep> shroomsky: what do you see when you type 'sudo fdisk -l' in terminal?
[08:24] <shroomsky> hda and b
[08:24] <shroomsky> w95 fat32 system
[08:24] <shroomsky> for my hdb
[08:25] <TheSheep> shroomsky: that'd be your d: drive
[08:25] <shroomsky> how do i access into it though through the GUI interface?
[08:26] <TheSheep> !fstab | shroomsky
[08:26] <ubotu> shroomsky: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:26] <shroomsky> sorry for the silly question, this is my first time using a linux system
[08:26] <TheSheep> shroomsky: well, that link should get you started, if it doesn't help, ask
[08:26] <shroomsky> it says, permission denied
[08:27] <TheSheep> ?
[08:27] <shroomsky> when i type in /etc/fstab into the terminal
[08:28] <TheSheep> shroomsky: read http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html :)
[08:28] <shroomsky> ok thanks
[08:33] <shroomsky> ok now i get the mounting part
[08:33] <shroomsky> however terminal said that only Root can do that when i want to mount hdb
[08:39] <Myrtti> use sudo, luke
[08:40] <TheSheep> !sudo | shroomsky
[08:40] <ubotu> shroomsky: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:43] <Rich_li_ny> How do you set up a VPN connection In Xubuntu?
[08:44] <Rich_li_ny> I dont see a screen where I can just click and add one.. and then use it at will whenever it is necessary.
[08:45] <Myrtti> pptpconfig is the closest bet when/if you don't have networkmanager and the applet installed
[09:01] <shroomsky> using fstab, how do i add a harddrive that wasnt detected?
[09:01] <shroomsky> in sudo fdisk -l its listed as /dev/hdb1
[09:02] <shroomsky> in the fstab editor its not there
[09:02] <shroomsky> what exactly do i write?
[09:06] <TheSheep> shroomsky: /dev/hdb1   /media/windows   vfat   user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,utf8   0   0
[09:06] <TheSheep> shroomsky: in one line
[09:06] <TheSheep> shroomsky: make sure you create the /media/windows directory
[09:06] <TheSheep> actually, there is a better howto
[09:06] <TheSheep> !fat | shroomsky
[09:07] <ubotu> shroomsky: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:07] <shroomsky> cool
[09:09] <shroomsky> /media wont let me create a new folder
[09:09] <TheSheep> shroomsky: sudo Thunar
[09:09] <Myrtti> TheSheep: gksudo ;-)
[09:10] <TheSheep> Myrtti: gksu
[09:14] <shroomsky> holy crap
[09:14] <shroomsky> it worked guys
[09:14] <shroomsky> thaks!
[09:15] <shroomsky> *thanks
[10:28] <Gerro> sup
[11:11] <deniz_ogut> Hi. Xubuntu Feisty here. Is there a way to change xubuntu so that desktop icons are activated with a single click rather than double click? I have setup thunar for single click but it doesn't affect the Desktop itself.
[11:12] <deniz_ogut> !single click
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single click - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <deniz_ogut> !single-click
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single-click - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <TheSheep> deniz_ogut: no
[11:14] <deniz_ogut> TheSheep: Should I get this no as "There's no way to do it"?
[11:14] <TheSheep> deniz_ogut: yes
[11:14] <deniz_ogut> TheSheep: Thank you.
[12:39] <archangelpetro> TheSheep, have you seen anything of max revently?
[01:38] <kalikiana_> archangelpetro, Want a test version of the webkit browser?
[02:14] <W8TAH> good morning everyone --  I am trying to locate the menu that shows up when you click the applications button -- i want to look at the file to find out were an icon that i want to use on the tool bar is
[02:18] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: what do you mean?
[02:18] <TheSheep> W8TAH: the menus are generated automatically from files in /usr/share/applications/
[02:18] <W8TAH> ok thanks
[03:30] <archangelpetro> kali|away, yes please :)
[03:31] <archangelpetro> TheSheep, i was just wondering if you'd seen maxamillion (aint seen him in awhile)
[03:31] <TheSheep> aah, sorry
[03:31] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: I think he has finals
[03:31] <archangelpetro> ah
[03:31] <archangelpetro> same for me too :P
[03:31] <archangelpetro> i have my first exam on weds
[03:32] <TheSheep> kali|away: me too! :)
[03:36] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, TheSheep , Look here: http://software.twotoasts.de?page=midori (Be ware that it's instable ;))
[03:36] <archangelpetro> :)
[03:36] <archangelpetro> merci
[03:37] <kalikiana> http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=midoriez9.png :)
[03:45] <archangelpetro_> bleh
[03:45] <archangelpetro_> kalikiana, can i pm u?
[03:45] <kalikiana> archangelpetro_, Yep.
[03:46] <archangelpetro_> how would i point to them?
[03:47] <kalikiana> archangelpetro_, ?
[03:47] <archangelpetro_> check msg :)
[03:47] <archangelpetro_> sorry
[03:48] <archangelpetro_> half wrote it here too
[03:50] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you beat me again :)
[03:51] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you want a polish translation? :)
[03:52] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Translations can wait until a later version, but then I should be glad to have Polish. :)
[03:52] <archangelpetro_> get it now kalikiana ?
[03:52] <kalikiana> archangelpetro_, Nope. Are you identified to freenode?
[03:52] <TheSheep> kalikiana: then I can only offer testing and code review
[03:53] <archangelpetro_> it would appear not atm
[03:53] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Testing is appreciated as well of course. :)
[03:54] <archangelpetro> there you go :)
[03:56] <lokiyo> hello
[03:56] <kalikiana> hi lokiyo
[04:56] <nopcode> hey
[04:56] <nopcode> whats the recommended way to install nvidia beta drivers?
[04:56] <nopcode> i think envy doesnt offer to install them?
[04:58] <TheSheep> !nvidia | nopcode
[04:58] <ubotu> nopcode: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:58] <TheSheep> nopcode: but obviously the beta drivers are not recommended
[04:59] <nopcode> that doesnt seem to mention beta drivers
[04:59] <nopcode> well i'm an opengl developer, so i need geometry shaders
[04:59] <nopcode> the non-beta drivers dont have these.
[05:00] <VxJasonxV> hmm, how interesting
[05:01] <VxJasonxV> I don't have any panels anymore :(
[05:02] <zeptit> Installed xubuntu on my laptop, but dosnt seem to be able to connect to my wlan, anyone got some tips or able to help me with that?
[05:02] <TheSheep> !wifi | zeptit
[05:02] <ubotu> zeptit: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:02] <TheSheep> nopcode: it mentions how to install the drivers from the nvidia page -- that's what you need
[05:02] <zeptit> thanks
[05:03] <TheSheep> VxJasonxV: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[05:03] <TheSheep> VxJasonxV: without the '
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> aha
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> I must have nuked it from my autostarted applications :/
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> I couldn't remember the panel app name for the life of me
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> thanks :)
[05:04] <VxJasonxV> I'm assuming, since it didn't auto start, I should go add it to the 'Autostarted Applications', yes?
[05:05] <TheSheep> VxJasonxV:no, just save sessin when logging out
[05:05] <nopcode> TheSheep: well i know how to run the nvidia installer
[05:05] <nopcode> TheSheep: thats trivial
[05:06] <nopcode> but this guide wont give me a package afterwards
[05:06] <TheSheep> nopcode: you need the kernel headers
[05:06] <nopcode> well i've built my own kernel so i guess i'll have headers
[05:06] <TheSheep> nopcode: well, you can try and make a package with checkinstall
[05:06] <nopcode> somewhere in /usr/src
[05:06] <nopcode> well i'll just run the installer
[05:06] <nopcode> i guess it'll work
[05:07] <VxJasonxV> I always do :/
[05:07] <nopcode> hm
[05:07] <nopcode> btw where should the kernel headers be=?
[05:07] <nopcode> i've built a kernel package manually and installed it
[05:07] <nopcode> is that enough?
[05:07] <TheSheep> nopcode: in /usr/include or /usr/src I presume
[05:08] <TheSheep> nopcode: yes, it should be enough
[05:08] <nopcode> ok brb
[05:08] <TheSheep> nopcode: if not, you can give the path to the headers as a parameter to the installer
[05:10] <nopcode> GL_NV_geometry_shader4
[05:10] <nopcode> yeah baby
[05:10] <nopcode> thanks :)
[05:10] <nopcode> well i should've figured nvidia would spend some effort to ensure ubuntu compatibility
[05:10] <nopcode> of their installer
[05:27] <lysergide> Hey i got some problem with starting wine . When i execute "wt" the following error comes /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:27] <lysergide> Anyone know a solution for this issue ?
[05:28] <TheSheep> lysergide: use the wine from the repositories, you have some weird binaries compiled with wrong versions of libraries
[05:29] <lysergide> TheSheep dont rly know how to do that
[05:53] <xjdriver69> exit
[06:23] <mads-> Is it possible to install xubuntu without use of cd? :)
[06:25] <Pumpernickel> !install | mads-
[06:25] <ubotu> mads-: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[06:29] <mads-> danks..
[06:40] <mads-> Hmm.. Is it possible to make a USB / network install?
[06:40] <mads-> I have no floppy drive. I have a usb with 512 MB and a local server
[06:43] <scur> mads-, do you have a cd drive?
[06:43] <mads-> yep..
[06:44] <scur> i know it's not really answering your question, but if you can boot from the cd then you can install xubuntu - just download the cd image
[06:45] <mads-> (18:23:07) (mads-) Is it possible to install xubuntu without use of cd? :) <--
[06:45] <mads-> I don't have any empty cd's
[06:45] <scur> ah, sorry
[06:45] <mads-> :) No biggy.. Could be funny if that was the answer though :)
[06:48] <scur> it is possible, but not as simple as using the cd :)
[06:49] <scur> mads-, take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948 and http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[06:50] <scur> you should be able to replace "ubuntu" with "xubuntu" throughout, or just install ubuntu and then run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[06:50] <mads-> thanks :)
[07:59] <dk_2> whats the wmaster0? I now have that instead of eth1 on my wireless card after upgrading to feisty and now I can't connect to my access point. reinstalled with edgy xubuntu instead for now
[08:00] <fabianruch> bye
[08:24] <maxcoder> hi
[08:24] <maxcoder> ubuntu install with boot manager is not install
[08:24] <maxcoder> ?
[08:24] <maxcoder> which?
[08:24] <maxcoder> prblem
[08:25] <maxcoder> problem?
[08:34] <Myrtti> eehhh?
[08:37] <Pumpernickel> maxcoder: Ubuntu has localized support.  If you're more comfortable in a different language, there's most likely a channel dedicated to support in that language.
[09:01] <danny> Hey! I was wondering if anyone could help me with an X issue.
[09:02] <danny> I've tried playing with my xorg configuration file but I'm not having much luck.
[09:03] <danny> Well, if anyone has a second it would be cool. I think I'll go try #ubuntu really quick. Seems a bit more active.
[09:04] <Pumpernickel> You haven't said what the problem is.
[09:09] <scur> danny, what is the issue?
[09:10] <darrend> (he's probably swamped by the noise in #ubuntu now)
[09:10] <darrend> :)
[09:11] <danny> I was :-)
[09:11] <danny> Yeah, sorry about that. I'll spit it out now.
[09:12] <danny> So my screen is split. About 75% up top is normal and the bottom quarter or so is a copy of what happens up top. I can see my mouse down there and what not. I don't know too much about how to fix Xorg issues.
[09:12] <danny> And the right side looks like dead space. It seems normal when you look at it but if you toss a window over there or your mouse everything goes crazy.
[09:13] <danny> I don't mean to be vague I'm just not sure how else to describe it.
[09:13] <darrend> sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution or the refresh rate
[09:13] <darrend> seen that happen on projectors but not so much on normal monitors
[09:13] <darrend> what kind of monitor do you have?
[09:13] <danny> Well this is an odd monitor. I picked up the computer for free (nice deal). It's a Sony LCD display.
[09:14] <danny> Not sure of the model number.
[09:14] <darrend> size screen?
[09:15] <danny> PCVA-15QA1, I'm actually not sure what the screen size is. It's odd. I think the max resolution is 1280x960.
[09:15] <danny> Just checked the bottom for the model number.
[09:15] <darrend> do you find this monitor works with other computers?  Have you tried?  - I mean it could be defunct hardware.
[09:15] <danny> Na, I don't have any other computers with an input like this one has. It's not standard VGA.
[09:16] <danny> Some odd proprietary Sony thing I would imagine.
[09:16] <darrend> I'd be surprised.. sure it's not DVI?
[09:16] <danny> The thing is it worked for a while. Works fine in Windows. Worked fine at 1024x768 under FreeBSD.
[09:16] <danny> Could be. I'm not too familiar with DVI.
[09:17] <danny> See, I dropped the resolution back to 1024x768. When I set it at 1280x960 I get an error about memory. I checked the xorg log for traces of that error but I'm not seeing it. I probably grepped in a vague way.
[09:18] <danny> It states that it needs at least 4800kb of memory and I only have 4096 I believe.
[09:18] <danny> It doesn't make sense though because I had it working at 1280x960 a while back. I was running Debian.
[09:18] <scur> sounds like the graphics card rather than the monitor to me
[09:18] <darrend> grep your xorg log for "EE"
[09:18] <danny> Yeah, I was leaning there a little bit.
[09:18] <scur> you haven't had this problem with any other OS with the same gfx card and monitor?
[09:19] <darrend> errors are marked in there with (EE) and warnings with (WW)
[09:19] <danny> Hmm, interesting.
[09:19] <danny> Thanks for that. I'll keep it in mind.
[09:19] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[09:19] <danny>         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[09:19] <danny> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[09:19] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$
[09:20] <danny> That does not quite seem like what we would be expecting.
[09:20] <danny> :-)
[09:20] <darrend> (brb)
[09:20] <danny> Alright.
[09:20] <scur> hmm... you say it worked under debian? do you remember if that was with Xorg or XFree86?
[09:21] <danny> I'm actually not quite sure. It was Debian Etch testing, I could Google it.
[09:21] <danny> Good call though. That may be it.
[09:22] <scur> it sounds like the graphics card to me, it's odd for a monitor to stop working like that.
[09:22] <danny> Looks like unstable is using X.org now.
[09:22] <danny> So it probably wasn't XF86
[09:22] <scur> check you're using the right driver for your card
[09:22] <scur> hmmm, funny that it worked in debian and not ubuntu then
[09:22] <danny> Well that's the odd thing. It won't work under Debian anymore.
[09:23] <danny> I tried the installation a week or two later and it gives me the same error.
[09:23] <scur> ah
[09:23] <danny> And I'll check the drivers soon.
[09:23] <scur> tried any other operating systems?
[09:24] <danny> Yeah, I had Gentoo working with it a while back.
[09:24] <danny> I'm sort of a distro whore, I havn't quite settled on one yet.
[09:24] <scur> fair enough
[09:24] <danny> FreeBSD worked well at 1024x768. Didn't play it with it at 1280x960.
[09:24] <danny> So no issues there.
[09:25] <scur> my graphics card gave me similar problems a while back as the hardware was on the way out, and i had to replace it in the end
[09:25] <danny> Yeah, well in the end it isn't a big deal.
[09:25] <scur> but that was obviously a h/w problem as it happened under different OS's
[09:25] <danny> Yeah.
[09:25] <scur> well, must be pretty annoying only having half a screen :)
[09:25] <danny> It's interesting.
[09:26] <scur> i'd try running it with a differant driver (e.g. nvidia instead of nv), but not sure what else to suggest
[09:27] <danny> Yeah, I will. Don't worry about it, this gives me a place to start.
[09:27] <danny> I'll probably have it working in a day or two.
[09:28] <danny> Just wish I wasn't so busy, it's nice to sit down to spend a few hours tweaking.
[09:31] <danny> Well, that's nice. Xorg -configure does detect the displays model number.
[09:32] <danny> And it looks like it's using the right card driver but I'm not sure.
[09:32] <danny> I mean I'm pretty sure it's SiS.
[09:33] <Lectus> Hello! I'm using Ubuntu, but I'd like to try Xubuntu as they say it's lighter. But does it have the same applications / functionality? Will it run Gnome or KDE applications? Why they don't ship Xubuntu CD's as they do with Ubuntu and Kubuntu? I'm quite a new Linux user, so sorry for the lots of questions. Thanks!
[09:34] <scur> Hi Lectus, yep, installing xubuntu just gives you a different desktop, all your gnome and kde apps will run fine
[09:35] <scur> Gnome actually uses a system called GTK that's also used by xubuntu, so the look and feel is quite similar - xubuntu is just more lightweight
[09:35] <danny> Yup, I will even ship you a Xubuntu cd if it means that much to you. :-)
[09:36] <scur> just install xubuntu-desktop and you can give it a go - if you don't like it you can always go back.
[09:36] <danny> Couldn't be easier.
[09:38] <Lectus> Thanks danny, but I was just asking because Ubuntu and Kubuntu both have the ship-it. I'm already downloading the Xubuntu ISO, I'm going to give it a try. I really prefer to try the live CD and if I like it I will do a clean install. Ubuntu is really fine for me, but I'm just curious about Xubuntu. Also, I'll try to to revive an old PC with Xubuntu! :D
[09:39] <danny> :-) You're welcome and I would recommend not installing anything from a cd that some random guy on IRC sends you.
[09:39] <danny> I hope you enjoy it.
[09:40] <danny> I would imagine they don't ship the cd's because they are not part of the Ubuntu team. Just some people who though "Hey, this could be better!" and work with it. I could be wrong though.
[09:40] <danny> Feel free to correct me.
[09:40] <danny> *thought
[09:42] <Lectus> I have some doubt. I see lots of people talking about Ubuntu, but they talk a lot less about Kubuntu or Xubuntu. Does that mean they have less support or they are just Ubuntu with different desktop manager / default set of applications?
[09:43] <danny> Someone else might want to take this. I have my thoughts but it's definitely not my place to talk.
[09:44] <danny> Xubuntu would use, as far as I know, the same apt repositories as Ubuntu meaning applications, security updates and the like would all be there.
[09:44] <Lectus> So, Xubuntu has synaptic too?
[09:44] <danny> It looks that way.
[09:45] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$ ls /usr/sbin|grep synaptic
[09:45] <danny> synaptic
[09:45] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$
[09:48] <danny> What sort of computer are you trying to revive?
[09:49] <danny> Older box I would imagine?
[09:49] <scur> Lectus, the desktop manager is the only real difference (i belive they also have different default e-mail clients and word processors, but that doesn't stop you installing the other). For the vast majority of cases, an xubuntu problem is also an ubuntu problem, so it's often easier to find support there (as more people use it)
[09:50] <Lectus> Cool! I'll give Xubuntu a try. I like this desktop choice from the same base. Lots of freedom to choose.
[09:51] <Lectus> I'm planning on installing on this one I'm running Ubuntu if I like Xubuntu better. And plus, I would try to install on a Celeron 700Mhz with 128MB RAM.
[09:51] <scur> yep, and you can have more than one in the same installation. i installed an ubuntu cd, and then installed xubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[09:51] <scur> i just chose which desktop manager i want when i log in (and it's always xfce from xubunut as that's my favourite)
[09:52] <danny> Ah, that box is a beauty compared to my old laptop. I used that thing as my main desktop for years. 360mhz of Intel goodness.
[09:52] <danny> Well, my main box.
[09:52] <Lectus> Yes, I think Xubuntu will do better on old PCs than Win98 (crashes too much)
[09:52] <danny> Probably a safe bet.
[09:53] <scur> it is pretty lightweight.
[09:53] <Lectus> I also like maximum performance instead of fancy GUIs, so I might try Xubuntu on this PC as well.
[09:53] <scur> but i'm running it on a dual screen 2ghz box, so it does work on newer things as well :)
[09:54] <Lectus> and Xubuntu still looks beautifull from screenshots
[09:54] <Lectus> so, i'm really curious about it :D
[09:56] <danny> I'm sure you'll love it.
[09:57] <danny> Hey scure, darrend, thanks a lot for the help. I'm off to work.
[09:57] <danny> Peace.
[09:57] <danny> Good luck Lectus, enjoy.
[09:57] <Lectus> Thanks for the info.
[09:58] <Lectus> I'm going away now. I'll wait for the download to complete and I'll be back later saying what was my feeling about Xubuntu.
[09:58] <danny> No problem. Later.
[10:16] <darrend> grrr
[10:17] <darrend> is anyone successfully getting beryl-manager to restart as part of the normal xfce session?
[10:19] <darrend> I only seem able to get it to restart if I add it to the "autostarted applications" config, which means that when I logout/in all my application windows stack up in the top left corner of the screen until finally the window manager gets loaded
[10:19] <darrend> tres annoying
[10:38] <Teshadael> If my system doesn't handle X compositing very well, is it safe to assume beryl won't run very good?
[10:39] <scur> in my experience, if your system is in any way out the ordinary beryl won't run very good... but i haven't tried it for a while :)
[10:42] <cjae> ok what are other good linux networks or ones that deal with open source besides freenode
[10:49] <mads-> I just installed xubuntu in my normal ubuntu. When I load it wont connect to the internet, and my keyboard is now english instead of danish... What have I done wrong?
[10:50] <mads-> I just did a "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[10:52] <mads-> anyone?
[11:18] <Lectus> is it possible to have the desktop 3D effect in xubuntu?
[11:19] <Lectus> will it also run faster/lighter?
[11:26] <crimsun> no.
[11:26] <crimsun> to the latter.
[11:26] <crimsun> yes, it's possible, but currently it still pulls in the gnome bits.
[11:35] <Cannon_Ball> hi everybody
[11:35] <Cannon_Ball> i'm looking for help on a problem using the W32codecs
[11:36] <Cannon_Ball> is there anyone able to provide ideas?
[11:36] <Jester45> i  can try
[11:36] <Cannon_Ball> hi jester, thank you
[11:37] <Cannon_Ball> basically I have xubuntu, no special issues. I use a notebook Acer Travelmate 505 with a Neomagic graphcard
[11:37] <Cannon_Ball> I installed the w32codecs from medibuntu
[11:38] <Cannon_Ball> but when I try to open a wmv file I inherited from my previous M$ OS Gxine just shuts off
[11:38] <Jester45> does xine need w32codecs?
[11:39] <Cannon_Ball> I tried with VLC as well, same behavior. Instead Xfmedia shows a blue screen
[11:39] <crimsun> no, xine doesn't.
[11:39] <crimsun> is libxine1-ffmpeg installed?
[11:39] <Cannon_Ball> I don't know, one second and I check
[11:39] <Cannon_Ball> hi Crimsun, thanks for your help
[11:40] <Jester45> crimsun: thats what i was thinking
[11:40] <Jester45> Cannon_Ball: w32codecs is only for mplayer
[11:40] <Cannon_Ball> Im checking synaptic
[11:42] <Cannon_Ball> yep, it is installed
[11:42] <Cannon_Ball> :-(
[11:43] <Jester45> hey, pidgin has new similes
[11:45] <Cannon_Ball> do you have ideas as to where I can find indications? should I file a bug?
[11:46] <crimsun> Cannon_Ball: do you know what version wmv it is?
[11:46] <crimsun> Cannon_Ball: you may need to use mplayer+w32codecs
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> i think also xine needs the codecs
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> on medibuntu I found this:
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball>  To work around this issue, external binary codecs are used instead to play these formats.  MPlayer and  xine use such external codecs and these codecs are stored in the MPlayer website in their codecs directory
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> however I can try with mplayer
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> wmv I tried both the wmv8 and the wmv9, no differences
[11:48] <Jester45> xine cant use mplayers codecs
[11:48] <Jester45> mplayers codecs are mad just for mplay they said so
[11:50] <Cannon_Ball> ok, I'll check with mplayer, thanks
[12:11] <Cannon_Ball> Ok, with MPlayer I have a Fatal Error opening initialising the selected video out device
[12:12] <Cannon_Ball> so I guess that, once again, it is an unresolved problem with my graph card


[20:11] <daftykins> popped in to improve the WiFi at a client employee's home today, first one with the fibre service!
[20:12] <daftykins> i'm quite jealous of that rock solid 100 Mb service - 12 MB/sec snagging a 'buntu ISO
[20:13] <penguin42> yeh can do that on virgin cable
[20:13] <daftykins> before it inevitably falling over at night ;)
[20:14] <daftykins> coax is proper junk in comparison
[20:14] <daftykins> *starts falling
[20:14] <daftykins> successful P2V migration today up at dental practice #3 \o/
[20:14] <daftykins> just cleaning up the disks with a bit more cloning to and fro
[20:17] <penguin42> a bit of a descale and polish then?
[20:17] <daftykins> xD
[20:17] <daftykins> well played
[23:02] <davef> I remember when I could only get 100Mb service.
[23:02] <daftykins> :P
[23:03] <zxmpi> i don't think mine is 100mb :-)
[23:03] <zxmpi> probably more like 30mb on a good day, with wind blowing in right direction
[23:03] <daftykins> millibars!
[23:04] <davef> https://www.speedtest.net/result/14968222140
[23:04] <zxmpi> i remember bbses at 300 and am glad of the mb i have :-)
[23:05] <davef> We've only just started getting fiber for a reasonable price.
[23:05] <zxmpi> i have started using a 4g mifi for when the virgin media goes down and it feels a fait bit faster
[23:06] <daftykins> mobile tech can be, but it's crazy variable to regional usage
[23:06] <davef> mobile access in the south east on england is slow, compared to what i'm used to over here.
[23:07] <daftykins> was that with a roaming SIM though? often you'd get hamstrung and not see the full rate
[23:07] <davef> I easily get 100Mbps on LTE
[23:07] <davef> daftykins: Nah, I got me a tesco mobile payg sim
[23:09] <davef> Although I did see an O2 plan for 15GBP/month which can be used in North America. Would be cheaper to have that and roam than any local plan.


[19:03]  * vorlon waves
[19:03] <mdeslaur> hi
[19:04] <vorlon> I appear to be backup chair
[19:04] <vorlon> but we appear not to have quorum


[06:40] <urulama> jujugui: when using juju, please use logging: juju bootstrap --logging-config="<root>=DEBUG;juju=TRACE"
[08:01] <frankban> urulama: morning
[12:18]  * frankban lunches
[13:30] <hatch> morning
[13:33] <hatch> luca are these same bugs on chrome osx?
[13:33] <luca> hatch: yea, though it seems to be popping up in parts that were unaffected
[13:33] <luca> hatch: or I didn’t notice them
[13:34] <hatch> the issue doesn't happen in any other browser though, correct?
[13:40] <hatch> jujugui is anyone running chrome canary? Are you having svg rendering issues like reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1358671
[13:40] <mup> Bug #1358671: Charm icons not rendering properly <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358671>
[13:42] <urulama> Chrome Version 37.0.2062.94 ... works fine
[13:42] <urulama> hatch: is thath jujucharms.com?
[13:43] <frankban> hatch: I've seen that issue with my chrome on linux: 36.0.1985.125
[13:50] <hatch> yeah I'm just wondering if it's fixed in canary
[13:51] <hatch> canary isn't available for linux unfortunately
[13:51] <hatch> guess I can grab it for osx
[13:53] <hatch__> Makyo: you in yet?
[13:56] <hatch__> luca:  are you running chrome canary? Can I get you to run chrome canary? :)
[14:07] <luca> hatch: I have chrome canary
[14:07] <luca> hatch: and yes, as far as I can tell it doesn’t happen in any other browser
[14:07] <hatch> luca:  can you plz make sure it's updated and use it for a while to see if the issue persists? There is another issue with the charms with the default icon (it's just grey) but it doesn't appear to have the rendering issues of the others
[14:08] <hatch> luca:  I need to file a bug with chrome and go through the process of setting up a repro and all that - so if it's fixed on canary then we can just wait :/
[14:09] <luca> hatch: I can confirm the bug does not appear in chrome canary
[14:09] <luca> hatch: though the deafult icon is missing
[14:11] <hatch> it's just dark grey right?
[14:15] <luca> hatch: yep
[14:15] <hatch> luca:  ok phew - that's an issue I can handle
[14:15] <luca> hatch: lol
[14:15] <hatch> :) can you plz use canary for a while with it?
[14:15] <hatch> just to be sure
[14:15] <luca> hatch: sure
[14:16] <hatch> I'm in Ubuntu land so it's hard for me to actually use it frequently
[14:16] <hatch> thanks!!
[14:16] <luca> hatch: lol
[14:16] <luca> hatch: since it works in canary, does that mean that when they send another update the svg charm icon bug will be fixed and that it’s not our problem/
[14:16] <luca> ?
[14:16] <hatch> yep
[14:16] <luca> hatch: I see, weird bug
[14:17] <hatch> yeah, chrome is falling appart
[14:17] <hatch> it's 100% slower than safari for our tests atm
[14:17] <hatch> and absolutely destroys my battery life
[14:17] <luca> hatch: really? jeez
[14:19] <hatch> luca:  yeah...lets just hope they do another release before we push out mv :)
[14:19] <hatch> or we'll have to do all of our marketing shots in osx
[14:19] <hatch> lol
[14:19] <hatch> or *gasp* windows!
[14:20] <luca> hahaha never!
[14:23] <hatch> lol
[14:23] <hatch> luca:  see now that the issue is restricted to a single svg, and happens 100% of the time, it'll be so much easier to debug/create a repro for
[14:24] <luca> hatch: I bet hehe
[14:36] <urulama> jujugui: i forgot about that i have parents meeting today, i'll be out for a daily call today, but be back later ...
[14:37] <hatch> good luck
[14:37] <hatch> other parents can be so catty
[14:37] <hatch> :P
[14:37] <urulama> :D
[14:41] <hatch> I've been listening to http://www.di.fm/chillstep while working this week - pretty good work tunes
[14:45] <urulama> hatch: i put my Hue lights to "concentrate" mode :)
[14:45] <hatch> haha, and what mode is that? red?
[14:45] <hatch> dim red?
[14:45] <hatch> no blue
[14:45] <hatch> yeahhhhhh blue
[14:45] <urulama> hatch: bright white :)
[14:45] <hatch> lol
[14:52] <hatch> jujugui call in 8
[14:58] <hatch> jujugui call in 2
[14:58] <hatch> kanban it up!
[15:00] <Makyo> Hangouts freezing for me
[15:01] <hatch> bac: call
[15:15] <Makyo> hatch, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
[15:15] <hatch> yep, I can honestly say I've never seen said pipe
[15:16] <bac> what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_Man
[15:16] <hatch> ohh I think I've seen that one
[15:23] <jcsackett> Makyo: you said we were showing blue in the health bar for uncommitted units?
[15:23] <jcsackett> i'm qa-ing your branch and i'm seeing uncommitted units just not accounted for, it looks like.
[15:23] <jcsackett> Makyo: to be clear, i'm fine with the health bar not showing them at all; i just want to confirm what i should be seeing.
[15:29] <Makyo> jcsackett, they were two separate branches; I don't think the blue-uncommitted branch was merged into the inspector-statusbar branch.
[15:30] <jcsackett> Makyo: oh, right. i am conflating things.
[15:30] <jcsackett> Makyo: never mind then. :p
[15:31] <lazyPower> rick_h_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charmworld/+bug/1360374
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1360374: bundle proof is unaware of MAAS tagging <charmworld:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1360374>
[15:31] <lazyPower> this is a blocker for some of the newer bundles we are getting
[15:32] <hatch> lazyPower:  he is on vacation until Monday
[15:32] <hatch> best to send an email
[15:33] <hatch> ok all, I'm out for a bit, bbl
[15:53] <bac> lazyPower: i can look at that issue this afternoon
[15:54] <lazyPower> bac: thanks.
[17:02] <hatch> bac:  so....the guy fixed the issue with a power thingy-a-ma-bob reset :/
[17:06] <hatch> bac in case you want to try it on your computer I can give you the details
[17:09] <hatch> jcsackett:  r u able to do a review on #520 and #521?
[17:10] <jcsackett> hatch: i can in a few sure.
[17:10] <hatch> thanks
[17:10] <hatch> muchly
[18:19] <hatch> one more token bug down, one more to go (on sandbox)
[18:19] <hatch> I hope these sandbox fixes also fix the issues in the real env's
[18:19] <hatch> heh
[18:30] <marcoceppi> hey, is the guiserver proxy aware?
[18:30] <marcoceppi> seeing an issue deploying a bundle behind an HTTP proxy
[18:31] <hatch> marcoceppi:  I'm not entirely sure what you mean
[18:31] <hatch> as long as the gui can wss to the guiserver and the guiserver can wss to juju
[18:31] <marcoceppi> deploying a bundle is failing
[18:31] <marcoceppi> because the guiserver can't seem to get to charmstore, but juju via CLI can deploy the charm fine
[18:32] <marcoceppi> also, this is all second hand info
[18:32] <hatch> ohh ok, hmm well any idea if the gui can deploy the charm not in a bundle?
[18:32] <marcoceppi> let me find out
[18:33] <hatch> thanks
[18:33] <hatch> tbh it's been a long time since I've done anything in the guiserver but as far as I understand there is only one place where it goes and reaches out to the charmstore
[18:47] <hatch> marcoceppi: Is it this one? bug #1362749
[18:47] <mup> Bug #1362749: bundle deployment failed on juju-gui with proxy <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1362749>
[18:50] <marcoceppi> hatch: looks like it, fwiw, deploying a single charm works
[18:51] <marcoceppi> oh, that's the person that told me about i
[18:54] <hatch> marcoceppi:  ahh ok yeah that's very odd, frankban is the guy to talk to about this one as he knows it best
[18:54] <hatch> I'll point it out to him
[18:54] <marcoceppi> hatch: thanks
[19:03] <hatch> I REALLY hate how launchpad doesn't feel it necessary to include a link to the bug on status update emails
[19:52] <kadams54> guihelp: need reviews/QA on: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/523
[19:53] <kadams54> hatch: didn't have the internet connectivity I thought I'd have this morning, but am now connected again. That PR means I can officially relax and enjoy my swap days :-)
[20:18]  * Makyo -> appointment
[20:25] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, rick_h_ ping
[20:25] <hazmat> marcoceppi, hatch i've got a fix and mp ready to fwiw
[20:26] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, rick_h_ nm
[20:45] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: pong
[20:45] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: if you still care :-)
[20:57] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, i don't ;-)
[20:57] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: :)
[20:58] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, was curious about any deployed charm store changes..
[20:58] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, cause $ juju publish use to give events.. and feedback and part of the new spec was deprecating that (replacing it with...)
[20:58] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: nothing in the new charm store has been actually deployed yet
[20:58] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, great :-)
[20:59] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: any thoughts you have around the issue would of course be appreciated...
[20:59] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, i'll be in london starting sunday incidentally for the week.. if by chance your around.
[20:59] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: i'll be on the isle of skye
[20:59] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, basically publish cli pulled the events to give charmers feedback on issues with their charm
[20:59] <hazmat> sounds exotic
[20:59] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: which is only about 14 hours drive away :-)
[21:00] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, a validate endpoint might also suffice if there are  no more events..
[21:00] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: no actually, 11h
[21:01] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: the eventual aim is to have people publish their own charms
[21:01] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: rather than have a central ingestion process
[21:02] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: but in the meantime (until identity is more sorted) we'll probably have a similar issue.
[21:03] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, yes.. re publish own charms.. probably also want central ingest
[21:03] <hazmat> need both
[21:03] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, seems like a long way away.. as in what happened this cycle..
[21:03] <hazmat> rogpeppe1, brussels in october.. many fine beers ahead ;-)
[21:03] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: looking forward to that
[21:04] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: happy memories of previous brussels trip, some years ago now
[21:05] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: another thing we want to do is provide an external validation command that does the same validation that the charm store will do
[21:06] <rogpeppe1> hazmat: we *could* add events again, i guess, too.
[21:11] <hatch> hazmat: oh ok awesome
[21:12] <hatch> hazmat:  you're going to brussels as well? Awesome I'll have a beer drinking buddy :)
[21:28] <marcoceppi> thanks hazmat
[21:42] <hatch> hazmat:  thanks for making the fix for that bug
[22:59] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:06] <hatch> morning hazmat
[23:06] <hatch> er
[23:06] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:07] <huwshimi> hatch: How's things?
[23:07] <hatch> ohh decent
[23:08] <hatch> I solved the token icon bugs
[23:08] <hatch> just working on the tests
[23:08] <hatch> your branch which renders the nested containers is going to cause me issues
[23:08] <hatch> buuuuut oh well :)
[23:09] <huwshimi> hatch: Oh, sorry about that :)
[23:09] <huwshimi> hatch: Actually that branch could do with another review if you have some time? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/522
[23:10] <huwshimi> hatch: What was the issue with the icons?
[23:11] <huwshimi> I mean, what was the solution?
[23:11] <hatch> huwshimi:  here is a wip https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/524
[23:11] <hatch> basically there were many....
[23:11] <hatch> haha
[23:11] <hatch> this fix is also just a stop-gap
[23:12] <hatch> there is still some rendering issues with things disappearing before re-appearing
[23:12] <hatch> buuuuuut those issues are too deep to fix
[23:13] <huwshimi> hatch: Oh , this is not for the issue where the svg is all messed up then?
[23:14] <hatch> oh, no that issue is a chrome bug
[23:14] <huwshimi> Ah I see
[23:14] <hatch> it's -mostly- fixed on canary
[23:39] <hazmat> hatch, g'morning ;-)
[23:39] <hatch> haha sorry


 I'm trying to backup my /home/ with all the subdirectories, but I get an error: rsync: readlink_stat("/home/freqit/.gvfs") failed: Permission denied (13) ("freqit" is the user I run the command sudo rsync -av /home/ /media/usb_backup/home/ with).
[15:33] <Freqit> before that I only backed up a single subdiretory (/home/shared_stuff/) using the same user and command and it worked fine
[15:42] <tneiva> Hi, have you any remote filesystems mounted? samba, ftp, ssh?
[15:46] <tneiva> the .gvfs is used to mount remote filesystems, so you may have a mount to a network share and rsync is not able access it
[15:48] <Freqit> the linux machine provides samba shares for 3 other computers in the network, yes
[15:49] <tneiva> what I meant is the other way around... .gvfs is a mount point that gnome uses to mount remote filesystems
[15:49] <tneiva> but then again you can exclude that directory from your backup
[15:52] <Freqit> sudo rsync -av --exclude=.gvfs /home/ /media/usb_backup/home/ seems to do the trick. no more error messages
[15:52] <tneiva> I was just about to post it
[15:52] <tneiva> lol
[15:52] <tneiva> must be going now
[18:28] <xnockout> ?
[18:29] <xnockout> any body there?
[18:48] <gigix> yes
[18:48] <gigix> hi


[09:34] <_arun_> Hello everyone! I have installed my wyse thin clients with ubuntu ltsp and it stops while loading the OS during the PXE boot...Do any of youu have any idea what might be the problem?
[16:07] <palopetras> hi there