[04:11] <spanglesontoast> yo can anyone help me with my issue with a bt voyager 1024 pci adapter can anyone help
[04:11] <anto9us> Chislon: it's very hard to be clinical about aesthetics, not given it much thought, yes it's pretty but it works well for me, very uncluttered and very easy to set up
[04:12] <HostingGeek> !ubotu root password is 1337 Password
[04:12] <ubotu> okay, HostingGeek
[04:12] <Chislon> anto9us, ok thank you
[04:12] <johan_> and where is the list of files in gnome menu
[04:12] <Gh0sty|irssi> hello
[04:12] <apollo2011> I installed Java and Azureus manually on my system and got them working fine, was able to download a Knoppix torrent. But now, when I start Azureus in the console, I get this output:
[04:13] <anto9us> Chislon: one of the nice things for me was how easy it was to set up a zope server with integration to a postgresql database server and as a service that starts when the machine does
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Starting Azureus...
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Suitable java version found [java = 1.5.0_02]
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Configuring environment...
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Loading Azureus:
[04:13] <apollo2011> > java -Xms16m -Xmx128m -cp "/usr/bin/*.jar" -Djava.library.path="/usr/bin" -Dazureus.install.path="/usr/bin" org.gudy.azureus2.ui.swt.Main ''
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/gudy/azureus2/ui/swt/Main
[04:13] <apollo2011> > Azureus TERMINATED.
[04:13] <Chislon> anto9us, i have no idea what that means
[04:13] <Gh0sty|irssi> i've a problem with ubuntu and twinview: when messing around with my xorg.conf i accidently started x as root user and was surprised my twinview worked, but as the normal user it seems it doesn't work, anyone can explain this??
[04:14] <anto9us> Chislon: well, it indicated to me that a lot of thought and attention to detail is going into Ubuntu :)
[04:16] <Chislon> anto9us, heh heh ok kool, thank you
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> can someone give me a link to wireless tools package ?
[04:18] <spanglesontoast> for ubuntu
[04:19] <anto9us> Chislon: as a note of interest for you, Blender is a clickable install on Ubuntu, it's in the repositories
[04:19] <Chislon> anto9us, ok thank you
[04:20] <BlackShuck> Having some problems, spiralling out of control :-(  Need some help with grub boot loader.  How does it work with SATA drives?  Are they accessed /dev/hda or /dev/sda ?  do I need to pass a kernel parameter to tell it it's a udev device filesystem?
[04:20] <paco> pusling, yes i found it universe
[04:21] <anto9us> Gh0sty|irssi: I guess you have to add yourself to a group that has the permission to use the twinview files, whatever they are.
[04:22] <BlackShuck> basically, the unbuntu kernels have been giving me problems, so I decided to roll my own from the stock sources, using the config.gz from the running ubuntu kernel.  However, can't boot the kernel :-(  tried all sorted of editing of the commandline in GRUB...
[04:22] <BlackShuck> anyone use their own kernels, without initrd?  what does your grub command line look like?
[04:23] <johan_> is there something like drakeconf in ubuntu
[04:23] <IIIEars> BlackShuck - dunno, hope this helps. :/  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36072
[04:23] <novaflare> got a odd question
[04:23] <novaflare> is it possible to connect kde or gnome to a cygwin xserv on windows?
[04:24] <pusling> johan_: what is drakeconf ?
[04:24] <iratsu> how is rhythm box compared to xmms? I was surprised to see that xmms wasn't installed by default
[04:24] <novaflare> i know it can work the other way arroung seen a how to listed
[04:24] <johan_> its config tool in mdk
[04:24] <johan_> i just swithed
[04:24] <johan_> switched
[04:24] <anto9us> johan_: sadly, gui config tools are a bit behind the likes of mandriva right now
[04:24] <BlackShuck> bit more fundamental that that, I cannot  kick in the bootup from GRUB...
[04:24] <pusling> johan_: ahh.. everything in one of the menus ;)
[04:25] <johan_> i like the ubuntu so far but its hard to adjust
[04:25] <anto9us> johan_: what in particular did you want a gui frontend for?
[04:26] <johan_> drakeconf is really neat to set everything from printer to samba
[04:26] <ozamosi> I dont know what ive done, but every gtk2-app takes FOREVER to start. That means about 5 minutes. Can anybody help me?
[04:26] <apollo2011> I installed Java and Azureus manually on my system and got them working fine, was able to download a Knoppix torrent.  But now, when I start Azureus in the console, I get this output:http://pastebin.com/295066
[04:27] <johan_> where is the file with the apps in the gnome menu
[04:27] <anto9us> johan_: well, there are guis for both samba and printer in ubuntu
[04:27] <johan_> ok
[04:27] <pusling> johan_: gconf
[04:27] <crouton> johan_, sounds like gconf
[04:27] <anto9us> johan_: not gconf
[04:28] <johan_> where is that
[04:28] <johan_> can i apt-get gimp2
[04:28] <anto9us> johan_: shared folders and printers are on System | Administraton menu
[04:28] <johan_> system administration menu?
[04:28] <pusling> johan_: I think gimp2.2 is the normal gimp-package
[04:29] <jaysunn> Is it possible to reset the apt-get system back to default?
[04:29] <johan_> what the cmd to launch sys admin menu
[04:29] <anto9us> johan_: top of screen, select System then Administration
[04:29] <johan_> i dont have gnome
[04:29] <crouton> jaysunn, what do you mean 'default'?
[04:30] <anto9us> johan_: you have kde?
[04:30] <vanberge> hey everyone, which depositories are best suited for ubuntu ?
[04:30] <johan_> i use flux
[04:30] <vanberge> im looking into adding some more to sources.list
[04:30] <crouton> vanberge: you mean 'repositories'?
[04:30] <vanberge> crouton, yes..
[04:30] <pusling> vanberge: the official ubuntu ones
[04:30] <johan_> so i need exact name of apps to set my menu
[04:30] <crouton> vanberge, do you have universe in your list?
[04:31] <johan_> i was fine with mdk but i dont know the names of stuff in ubuntu
[04:31] <jaysunn> i mean i screwed it up
[04:31] <vanberge> crouton, they are commented out
[04:31] <johan_> is there a url with a list
[04:31] <jaysunn> it complains that i need to reinstall open office
[04:31] <crouton> vanberge, so uncomment them
[04:31] <anto9us> johan_: shares-admin
[04:31] <vanberge> crouton, those are good ones to have ?
[04:32] <crouton> vanberge, yup
[04:32] <johan_> ok thats a start thanks
[04:32] <johan_> there mustr be more though
[04:32] <jaysunn> http://pastebin.com/295071
[04:32] <anto9us> johan_: gnome-cups-manager
[04:32] <jaysunn> can somone help with this pastebin error
[04:33] <johan_> great anto9us
[04:33] <johan_> where can i get whole list...unless you state them all
[04:33] <anto9us> johan_: I don't know of a list, what else did you want?
[04:34] <johan_> i just wanna learn to get comfi with my new distro
[04:34] <vanberge> crouton, yeah that added tons of packages to my synaptic/apt
[04:34] <johan_> hardware management say
[04:34] <IIIEars> Good Morning thoreauputic! :)
[04:35] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: hi :)
[04:35] <crouton> vanberge: that's what it's good for. :)
[04:36] <anto9us> johan_: hal-device-manager is read-only but handy
[04:36] <vanberge> crouton, question though, how come all the packages in the 'universe' additions have different icons?
[04:36] <johan_> good
[04:36] <derda> i'm searching for sdl
[04:36] <derda> simple direct media layer
[04:37] <derda> whats the name of the pakage? can't find
[04:37] <vanberge> sorry guys, im new to ubuntu... what's the recommended DVD player?  I'm used to using Xine
[04:37] <lok> ogle
[04:37] <thoreauputic> vanberge: xine is fine
[04:37] <johan_> user admin?
[04:38] <vanberge> thoreauputic, i dont see xine available through apt...
[04:38] <anto9us> johan_: gdmconfig, network-admin, users-admin ;)
[04:38] <vanberge> thoreauputic, would i have to compile from source?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> vanberge: xine-ui or totem-xine
[04:39] <thoreauputic> vanberge: no :)
[04:39] <johan_> thanks anto9us youre really patient with me
[04:39] <vanberge> thoreauputic, i must need additional repositories then
[04:39] <IIIEars> vlc,ogle - all work pretty well
[04:40] <thoreauputic> vanberge: I suggest universe and multiverse
[04:40] <anto9us> johan_: with time-admin and update-manager that's the entire Administration menu I think
[04:40] <crouton> vanberge:  the icons probably indicate which packages are installed, which have dependencies, etc
[04:40] <thoreauputic> vanberge: and you can get win32 codecs from various third party sources
[04:40] <johan_> great
[04:41] <vanberge> wow... tvtime works
[04:41] <vanberge> i've never had a tv app work with my tv tuner card on linux
[04:41] <IIIEars> thoreauputic -does win32codec do dvds?
[04:41] <novaflare> hey would i break ubuntu if i aliened the ati rpm drivers from ati.com and installed them instead of the prepackaged ati drivers for ubuntu?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: no, you need libdvdcss2 I guess
[04:42] <thoreauputic> vanberge: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:42] <IIIEars> vanberge - Is it the ATI All in Wonder?
[04:42] <anto9us> johan_: of course you know synaptic?
[04:42] <vanberge> thoreauputic, no, it's a Pinnacle
[04:42] <marjorie> Hello, I have just installed horay hedgehog but i am familiar with ndiswrapper for my wireless stuff, Is there a way to easily disable the inbuilt wireless functions i think they are confilciting?
 ndis question.
[04:43] <johan_> dont know synaptic
[04:43] <johan_> whats the cmd ill check it out]
[04:43] <anto9us> johan_: it's a gui for packages
[04:44] <anto9us> johan_: that's it, synaptic
[04:44] <johan_> so far im impressed by aptget
[04:44] <anto9us> johan_: cool :)
[04:45] <vanberge> spoke too soon... sound doesnt work
[04:45] <mez> http://www.deviantart.com/view/19063177/
[04:45] <mez> what do you guys think?
[04:45] <mez> (It's an ubuntu wallpaper)
[04:45] <derda> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Could not map sound device for direct access (Input/o utput error)
[04:45] <derda> wtf?
[04:46] <marjorie> I have Ndiswrapper and wpa supplicant installed but when i luanch wpasupplicant it fails, could it be confilciting with in built wireless stuff in horay hedgehog?
[04:46] <anto9us> novaflare: you may break xserver so make sure you know how to backstep without a gui :)
[04:46] <novaflare> yeh
[04:47] <novaflare> your talking about xorg.conf im guessing
[04:47] <novaflare> ive lost my gui many a time already lol
[04:47] <kestas> mez: nice desktop
[04:47] <mez> ;)
[04:47] <kestas> mez: too bad it doesnt fit it with the default browny theme
[04:47] <kestas> :(
[04:47] <mez> I'm ding a load of like - minimalistic ones (playing with the gimp really)
[04:47] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndis wrapper is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:47] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:48] <mez> http://browse.deviantart.com/wallpaper/minimalistic/?view=1&order=5&limit=24
[04:48] <mez> the latest ones are my "set" of wallpapers
[04:48] <marjorie>
[04:48] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndiswrapper is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:48] <ubotu> ...but ndiswrapper is already something else...
[04:48] <kestas> mez: gimp I presume?
[04:48] <johan_> how about tool for mounting
[04:49] <johan_> umounting
[04:49] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndiswrapper
[04:49] <kestas> mez: how did you learn to use gimp? I need to make a few small icons but Im having troubles
[04:49] <anto9us> novaflare: yes, I think just making a backup of your xorg.conf before you start should be enough to backstep if needed
[04:49] <mez> yeah :D
[04:49] <novaflare> k
[04:49] <mez> er This si the first time I've used gimp
[04:49] <mez> It's just not that different from fotoshop[ thats all
[04:50] <IIIEars> !ubotu ndis is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:50] <ubotu> ...but ndis is already something else...
[04:50] <marjorie> IIIEars: The driver is installed, i am having problems useing WPA and thought there might be something confilciting
[04:50] <marjorie> I have followed the same procedure I did with Warty, and i get an error when tring to start wpa_supplicant
[04:51] <IIIEars> marjorie - I wish i could help you. (6th week using linux)
[04:51] <derda> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Could not map sound device for direct access (Input/o utput error)
[04:51] <derda> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Use: "HardwareAcceleration" = "Emulation" in the [dso und]  section of your config file.
[04:51] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: probably better to teach the bot in /msg (also BTW "!" is enough - you don't need "! ubotu"
[04:51] <WhiteRabbit> IIIEars, just do what most of the others are doin
[04:51] <WhiteRabbit> google there problem & look k001!
[04:51] <IIIEars> thoreauputic Nice tip. - Thank You
[04:51] <marjorie> I just assumed there was new stuff going on as loads more happens in dmesg when i plug the card in now
[04:52] <marjorie> b4 i just saw ndiswrapper stuff in dmesg when i plugged the card in
[04:52] <marjorie> loads of autoconfig happens which i want to disable
[04:53] <`psycho> anyone uses freeNX here?
[04:53] <johan_> whats default app for cd burning with ubuntu
[04:53] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - going to ned a vote of confidence or two to see what i enter stays. (hint-hint)
[04:54] <reka> johan_: nautilus :-)  if you're using gnome: gnomebaker, kde: k3b (i think).
[04:54] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: don't look at me - my entries have been removed so I gave up...
[04:54] <johan_> thanks
[04:54] <`psycho> hey a little help please?
[04:55] <`psycho> got problems using the NX
[04:55] <stijn[WIN] > can you do anything about the fact that my wlan card allways thinks it's signal is 100% :d
[04:57] <marjorie> Stijn: what driver are u useing?
[04:57] <IIIEars> !ubotu Amnesia is annoying
[04:57] <ubotu> ...but amnesia is already something else...
[04:57] <IIIEars> lol
[04:58] <thoreauputic> ! amnesia
[04:58] <ubotu> it has been said that amnesia is when you forget 90% of everything you've ever been taught
[04:58] <xoz> !ubotu who owns you
[04:58] <ubotu> cafuego does
[04:58] <IIIEars> ah, Okay. - thx
[04:59] <IIIEars> ! seen cafuego
[04:59] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:59] <IIIEars> !seen cafuego
[04:59] <ubotu> cafuego is currently on #ubuntu
[04:59] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: amnesia appears to be one of the few things ubotu hasn't forgotten ;)
[04:59] <IIIEars> rofl
[04:59] <marjorie> Hmm, what wireless system does ubuntu horay use, Im thinking i can config wpa_supplicant to use a different driver?
[05:01] <mof> hi all
[05:01] <zOap> Ubuntu wharty hangs when loading hotplug. what could be the problem?
[05:02] <vanberge> wow... tv time is a sweet program
[05:03] <novaflare> brb
[05:03] <IIIEars> !ubotu cafuego ubuntu friend is  "ubotu has Amnesia thoreauputic and a few others are concerned. - please send him our hopes for rest and a speedy recuperation."
[05:03] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[05:05] <pusling> !ubotu pusling is "a very nice guy"
[05:05] <ubotu> pusling: okay
[05:05] <pusling> !pusling
[05:05] <ubotu> well, pusling is "a very nice guy"
[05:06] <thoreauputic> guys, if you feed the bot useless info, it will be pulled: it's on trial atm
[05:06] <thoreauputic> basically, if it gets abused, it goes
[05:07] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Oops, - The bot is an excellent addition. - sorry.
[05:07] <thoreauputic> I'm not responsible: just passing on info from the ops (bob2, Amaranth etc)
[05:07] <kestas> how do you change your resolution from inside X, if say another application changes it to go fullscreen but doesnt change it back?
[05:08] <IIIEars> thor, - If it forgets everything in 24 hours what can it be used for?
[05:08] <reka> kestas: ctrl+alt+'+' to cycle through
[05:08] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: heh
[05:08] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[05:08] <ubotu> [smeg]  a GNOME 2.10 menu editor at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[05:08] <Amaranth> doesn't forget
[05:09] <plagerism> When is breezy planned to be released??
[05:09] <Jormundgand> ubotu: libpr0n
[05:09] <ubotu> somebody said libp0rn was at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/libimage/libpr0n.html
[05:09] <MikeA> I've done a kernel recompile an brken ssh
[05:09] <MikeA> and broken ssh
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, someone has edited/ removed some entries, it seems
[05:09] <Hajuu> Hey
[05:09] <Amaranth> ubotu: forget cafuego ubuntu friend
[05:09] <ubotu> Amaranth: i forgot cafuego ubuntu friend
[05:09] <MikeA> any ideas what is wrong
[05:09] <Amaranth> Yeah, like that.
[05:09] <Jormundgand> It can't spell libpr0n and doesn't know that libpr0n is at http://www.libpr0n.org
[05:09] <Hajuu> what plugin do I need to be able to play wmv files?
[05:09] <MikeA> I get ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[05:09] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Everyone can do it, don't abuse it.
[05:09] <kestas> reka: that just zooms in and out, it doesnt change the resolution
[05:09] <reka> Hajuu: install w32codecs
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: erm, AFAIK I haven't abused the bot...
[05:10] <IIIEars> lol - true that entry wasn't likely to speed anything up. -
[05:10] <Hajuu> I already have w32codecs
[05:10] <anto9us> it's my experience you can't have artificial intelligence without an element of artificial, and otherwise, stupidity
[05:10] <Jormundgand> ubotu: forget libpr0n
[05:10] <ubotu> i forgot libpr0n, Jormundgand
[05:10] <pusling> plagerism: probably 05.10
[05:10] <Jormundgand> ubotu: libpr0n is at http://www.libpr0n.org
[05:10] <ubotu> okay, Jormundgand
[05:10] <pusling> ubotu: forget pusling
[05:10] <ubotu> i forgot pusling, pusling
[05:11] <Hajuu> Ok so.. maybe then is there something in totem I have to configure to see the codec?
[05:11] <david__> hi
[05:11] <Jormundgand> ubotu: Jormundgand is like Jar Jar - a REALLY NICE GUY. EVERYONE LIKES JAR JAR.
[05:11] <ubotu> ...but jormundgand is already something else...
[05:11] <Jormundgand> :o
[05:11] <kestas> so anyone know how to change the res?
[05:11] <Jormundgand> ubotu: Jormundgand
[05:11] <ubotu> [jormundgand]  blinded by XML
[05:11] <vanberge> where is a good place to get additional ubuntu wallpapers, themes, etc... ?
[05:11] <reka> kestas: hmm, well i'm not sure what you're talking about.  you can change res by sys->prefs->screen res.
[05:11] <IIIEars> ubotu: forget cafuego ubuntu friend
[05:11] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called 'cafuego ubuntu friend', IIIEars
[05:11] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: Do 'ubotu: no, Jormundgand is blah'
[05:11] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: an=maranth already deleted it :)
[05:12] <david__> hey, does anyone know if it's possible to bound mouse 7 to minimize all like i have it in windows?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> *amaranth
[05:12] <IIIEars> got it just checking
[05:12] <kestas> reka: true, and thats the way I want to do it, but its a slow way and I want to just do "$ runfullscreengame; resolutionbackto1024x768command" at the terminal
[05:12] <Jormundgand> ubotu: no, Jormundgand is THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT. HIS REVENGE SHALL BE WROUGHT UPON THE WORLD ERE RAGNAROK LOOMS!
[05:12] <ubotu> okay, Jormundgand
[05:12] <Jormundgand> Amaranth: Nice design.
[05:12] <reka> ah, well i'm not sure, sorry.
[05:13] <kestas> okay thanks anyway
[05:13] <kestas> back to google then
[05:13] <IIIEars> if ubotu gets puffed up to mammoth proportions he'll be too slow to be useful.
[05:13] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: I didn't do it, it's a blootbot. That little bit is just so you don't overwrite something without knowing.
[05:13] <Jormundgand> Ah.
[05:13] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: and cafuego is running it
[05:13] <reka> vanberge: do you want "ubuntu" themes or gnome themes?
[05:13] <thoreauputic> !google
[05:13] <reka> vanberge: in both cases my answer is google :-)
[05:13] <MikeA> would removing IPv6 be why SSHD is broken?
[05:13] <Amaranth> grr
[05:14] <Amaranth> MikeA: could be
[05:14] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: That's what I mean by abuse.
[05:14] <weedar> is nvtv the only way to get tv-out on nvidia cards working?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it's just a joke - I'll remove it if you wish
[05:14] <nova> hmm well x didnt blow up but im on that messa indirect stuff
[05:14] <thoreauputic> !forget google
[05:14] <ubotu> i forgot google, thoreauputic
[05:14] <nova> not sure why exactly
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: happy?
[05:15] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Yeah.
[05:15] <nekohayo> hey there, how could I disable acpi for my laptop lid? I don't want it to lock my system when I only close the lid for a few seconds
[05:15] <IIIEars> slender bots are sexy. - grin
[05:15] <Amaranth> Also, please PM the bot to set/forget things.
[05:15] <Amaranth> And if you're making it say something that's just for you, please PM it.
[05:15] <nekohayo> hibernate works flawlessly however, but it's annoying to wait 1 minute before closing the lid
[05:16] <IIIEars> Amaranth -what is the syntax for PM?
[05:16] <redboar> ne1 familiar with Debian hardened kernel?
[05:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /msg ubotu foo is blah
[05:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /msg ubotu forget blah
[05:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /msg ubotu blah
[05:16] <IIIEars> great. - Thank You.
[05:16] <Amaranth> err, forget foo, etc
[05:17] <kestas> reka: xrandr is the command to change your res on the fly fyi
[05:17] <nova> hmm brb again
[05:17] <kestas> just inscase someone else asks
[05:17] <reka> kestas: nice work!
[05:17] <stijn[WIN] > marjorie
[05:17] <stijn[WIN] > still interested
[05:17] <stijn[WIN] > i had some problems configging my card to :)
[05:18] <stijn[WIN] > i use ndiswrapper
[05:21] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK I added "restricted" for the wiki on restricted formats, and "repositories" for howto on adding repos: hope those URLs are useful...
[05:22] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: you don't need permission to add things, just try not to set things like 'google' to jokes
[05:22] <marjorie> What does acx_pci moduel do?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: well, the occsional joke doesn't go amiss, but I'll stick to info I guess - and I *do* see the point
[05:23] <Hajuu> Hey.. anyone know why my vlc and totem dont output any sound?
[05:23] <marjorie> In dmesg i see it doing loads of crazy stuff to my wireless card, im thinking of disbleing it to get ndiswrapper to work properly
[05:23] <nova> blast
[05:23] <nova> i got the ati drivers installed
[05:23] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I have no problem with jokes, just not with jokes on important keywords like 'google'.
[05:24] <nova> but its showing mesa indirect instead of the proper gl for direct renderign
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: OK
[05:24] <nova> and the sucky part is i think these will fix my graphics glitch with the models
[05:24] <nova> the one i get now is diffrent
[05:25] <marjorie> Should i be asking for this kind of help some whrere else?
[05:25] <WhiteRabbit> marjorie, what kinda crazy stufff * wipes spit *
[05:26] <marjorie> Not crazy stuff, just thinks id expect ndiswrapper to handdle, like setting of ssid and wep and things
[05:26] <schorem> heya
[05:26] <marjorie> all happens on auto when i plug card in.. i want to stop it as i can setup ndiswrapper and wpa fine without auto stuff
[05:26] <nova> some one inhere has to have installed the ati rpm drivers gotten this and fixxed it i just know it
[05:26] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:26] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:26] <nova> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[05:27] <david__> hey
[05:27] <tck> lo
[05:27] <marjorie> WhiteRabbit: What i really want to do is turn off all 'auto' wireless things in horay...
[05:27] <tck> having problem using the Gnome built in cd burner, error keeps saying insert big enough blank disk, when there is, k3b burns it ok
[05:27] <chrissturm> great, xbase-clients is finally fixed in breezy
[05:27] <reka> nova:what is your card?
[05:27] <schorem> how can i install nvidia driver
[05:28] <nova> ati 9k pro 128 meg agp
[05:28] <WhiteRabbit> marjorie, why
[05:28] <cikilin> hello
[05:28] <nova> i just need to get back to this point
[05:28] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:28] <nova> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[05:28] <nova> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4893 (X4.3.0-8.10.19)
[05:28] <reka> nova: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:28] <nova> with the xorg apt got ones i get that
[05:28] <marjorie> WhitRabbit: Beacause i think thats whats stopping wpa_from working
[05:28] <cikilin> is anybody using penggy?
[05:28] <nova> with these i dont
[05:28] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[05:28] <redboar> what's the best X-based non-gnome CD burning app?
[05:28] <raDeon> WHO
[05:28] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[05:28] <raDeon> RIGHT NOW
[05:28] <nova> ill look
[05:29] <raDeon> redboar, k3b DUH
[05:29] <johan_> k3b
[05:29] <redboar> yeah duh
[05:29] <redboar> like I'm supposed to know this>
[05:29] <marjorie> WhitRabbit: And i had the same card working fine with ndiswrapper + wpa_supplicant in warty warthog
[05:29] <redboar> ?
[05:29] <reka> nova: those intructions are for the xorg drivers.
[05:29] <nova> yeh
[05:29] <cikilin> can anybody help me to configure penggy pls
[05:29] <redboar> that's not a KDE app is it?
[05:29] <reka> nova: FYI, try not to paste > 2 lines please.
[05:29] <nova> im useing the ati ones let me look at the how to on the 8.12s
[05:30] <nova> k
[05:30] <redboar> is k3b a KDE app?
[05:30] <reka> redboar: yes, iirc it is.
[05:30] <nova> this is what im trying to figure out reka
[05:30] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[05:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is install 'linux-restricted-modules' and 'nvidia-glx'. Then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and make X use the nvidia driver instead of the nv one.
[05:30] <nova> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[05:30] <marjorie> WhitRabbit: Ndiswrapper installed fine, so did wpa, but when i launch wpa now it dies and takes the interface down
[05:31] <redboar> no thanks then
[05:31] <cikilin> has anybody penggy installed?
[05:31] <reka> redboar: i understand.  so gnomebaker doesn't work?
[05:32] <nova> hmm i think i found the isue
[05:32] <redboar> I just want one that is X but not dependent on either Gnome or KDE
[05:32] <marjorie> WhiteRabbit: One for the forums mabe?
[05:33] <reka> redboar: well, lazy answer is sourceforge.net  i'm sure there's one out there.
[05:33] <WhiteRabbit> marjorie, this on a desktop right?
[05:33] <redboar> OK TY
[05:33] <marjorie> No laptop
[05:33] <marjorie> pcmcia
[05:34] <reka> redboar: though i'd have a look at ubuntuforums.org in case someone has recommended one first.
[05:34] <thoreauputic> redboar: there's XCDRoast (uses gtk 1.2 I think)
[05:34] <marjorie> Is there not some kind of blanket bomb method for removeing horay wireless support
[05:34] <redboar> thor: thanks
[05:35] <thoreauputic> marjorie: maybe commenting out the relevant lines in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[05:35] <raDeon> lol marj
[05:35] <cikilin> has anybody penggy installed?
[05:35] <raDeon> marge
[05:35] <raDeon> from the simpsons
[05:35] <raDeon> LMAO!!!!
[05:35] <marjorie> I dont like being called marge tho :)
[05:36] <marjorie> plz :P
[05:36] <raDeon> redboar, you're pathetic
[05:36] <kestas> magaret?
[05:36] <raDeon> ok marge
[05:36] <kestas> *margaret
[05:36] <kestas> how about maggie?
[05:36] <redboar> coming from a guy named after an ATI card that's a compliment
[05:37] <marjorie> raDeon: You can call me what u like; I wont listen
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > marjorie
[05:37] <kestas> lol redboar
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > is your card working
[05:37] <raDeon> redboar, it's not a compliment no matter who it comes from
[05:37] <marjorie>  stijn[WIN] : I had it working fine 2 hrs ago in warty
[05:37] <redboar> raDeon: no one is impressed with ypur trolling
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > well
[05:37] <redboar> *your
[05:37] <stijn[WIN] > i think i can help
[05:37] <moot> is azureus supposed to be in the apt repositories?
[05:37] <raDeon>  if you're saying i'm pathetic and i'm calling you pathetic, you must be even more pathetic in turn
[05:37] <marjorie> :)
[05:38] <raDeon> redboar, nobody is impressed with your face, so get lost
[05:38] <redboar> raDeon:  enjoy my iggy bin
[05:38] <raDeon> what is an iggy bin
[05:38] <thoreauputic> raDeon: code of conduct, and please stop saying pointless inflammatory stuff
[05:39] <raDeon> thoreauputic, gotcha
[05:39] <raDeon> let me find my preparation H
[05:39] <redboar> I made it up
[05:39] <raDeon> i can tell
[05:39] <thrillhouse_home> If i am using the stock hoary kernel, how can i find out what has been compiled in?  I am trying to find out if a specific chipset fix is part of the kernel.
[05:40] <raDeon> hahaha "hoary"
[05:40] <kestas> thrillhouse_home: /boot/config I think
[05:40] <cikilin> has anybody penggy installed?
[05:40] <thrillhouse_home> kestas: thanks
[05:40] <raDeon> cikilin, a better question, "has anybody ever heard of 'penggy'?"
 I lost my phone number. Can I have yours?
[05:44] <cikilin> dhcp
[05:44] <IIIEars> cikilin - I haven't used in it a bit. way to rusty to be helpful.
[05:45] <cikilin> reka dhcp
[05:45] <redboar> thor: I already have
[05:45] <thoreauputic> OK - good :)
[05:45] <nullix> My system is now crashing ; anyway to use a command to check coherency of my Ubuntu distrib ! ; thanks
[05:46] <darth_schmoo> I'm trying to get the java plugin for firefox working.  The ubuntuguide site recommends that I install a package (sun-j2rel.5) that doesn't exist.  What next?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> darth_schmoo: the package you need is on the Sun site (it might be a slightly different version - haven't looked lately)
[05:47] <nullix>  darth_schmoo, install last java under /usr/local and make link from pluggin to firefox pluggin
[05:47] <IIIEars> darth_schmoo - the sun site has the latest version and a pretty good guide. - (i still couldn't make it work tho others have.)
[05:48] <darth_schmoo> So none of the packages in the repository will do it for me?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> darth_schmoo: the sun java is a restricted format - legal issues
[05:48] <anto9us> darth_schmoo: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:48] <IIIEars> udarth_schmoo - get the most recent one from sun it changes alot.
[05:49] <Zodiac> darth just add the repository and do a search for java
[05:49] <Zodiac> The one you need will come up
[05:49] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[05:49] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <IIIEars> !ubotu java
[05:50] <david__> hey
[05:51] <david__> does anyone know how to execute a command by making a desktop shortcut
[05:51] <IIIEars> !ubotu install java  is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:51] <ubotu> ...but install java is already something else...
[05:51] <IIIEars> !ubotu install java
[05:51] <anto9us> david__: right click your desktop and select create launcher
[05:51] <dooglus> david__: right-click the desktop and select 'create launcher'
[05:51] <dooglus> heh
[05:52] <anto9us> hehe
[05:52] <ols> hehehe
[05:52] <reka> cue twilight zone music
[05:52] <nullix> My system is now crashing ; anyway to use a command to check coherency of my Ubuntu distrib ! ; thanks
[05:52] <tbird> Hey all
[05:52] <dooglus> at least it suggests it's the 'right' answer :)
[05:52] <david__> dooglus, anto9us but in that i must be doing something wrong
[05:52] <nova> i should have known to remove the old drivers first before upgrading ...
[05:52] <david__> lets say i'm trying to make a shortcut to "sudo nautilus"
[05:52] <david__> i enter "sudo nautilus" in the command section
[05:52] <thoreauputic> nullix: could you be a bit more vague? *grin*
[05:53] <david__> but upon exection it doesn't do anything
[05:53] <thoreauputic> david__: try "gksudo nautilus"
[05:53] <redboar> has ne1 compiled the latest rss-glx screensaver sources?  I can't do it
[05:53] <Unintentional> Hey, does anyone know the charset NTFS uses by default?  Linux is having trouble reading some of my filenames with foreign characters.
[05:53] <thoreauputic> david__: that should prompt for a password
[05:53] <david__> hmm this is odd-- i was doing it on my bro's computer whne it wasn't working, but it's working here
[05:54] <angela> anyone know how big a complete sources repository download would be ... how many gig harddrive
[05:54] <david__> weird...
[05:54] <nullix>  thoreauputic, I wanted to check for error message in /var/log/cups but my system is freezing I think it is related to a CUPS problem but not sure !
[05:54] <dooglus> david__: the problem is that it needs a password
[05:54] <darth_schmoo> IIIEars:  Thanks.  I'm using "Method 1"
[05:54] <david__> how do you make it do that dooglus ?
[05:54] <IIIEars> david__ - hm - does it work if you create it to run in a terminal? - sudo will prompt for a password.
[05:54] <thoreauputic> david__: see my answer above
[05:54] <chris__> my ubuntu doesnt plaz mp3 ?? whz
[05:54] <thenuke> chris__: codecs?
[05:55] <chris__> how to install im a newbie
[05:55] <chris__> )
[05:55] <thenuke> chris__: http://ubuntuguide.org  check that for how to install extra codecs
[05:55] <dooglus> david__: if you have run 'sudo' in the last 5 minutes and typed your password, it won't ask for the password again.
[05:55] <IIIEars> !ubotu restrictedformats
[05:55] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[05:55] <david__> thoreauputic, ty
[05:55] <reka> !restricted
[05:55] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:55] <IIIEars> !ubotu mp3
[05:55] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis)
[05:55] <dooglus> david__: that's why it works on one pc and not the other
[05:55] <david__> dooglus, k
[05:55] <thenuke> chris__: bookmark that page also, it's great source of knowledge for newbies
[05:55] <johan_> can i apt-get mplayer
[05:55] <IIIEars> ubotu - you need links
[05:55] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, IIIEars
[05:55] <david__> dooglus, i'll try it on the other comp ty
[05:55] <dooglus> david__: run "sudo date" in a terminal, put in the password, then try the icon...
[05:55] <johan_> whats the name
[05:55] <thenuke> johan_: that is also in the url I gave you
[05:56] <Unintentional> no ideas about the ntfs foreign characters?
[05:56] <Amaranth> !ogg vorbis
[05:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, ogg vorbis is an MP3 alternative, see http://www.vorbis.com/.
[05:56] <johan_> sorry i just got here
[05:56] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Either ! or ubotu:, you don't need both. :)
[05:56] <redboar> !rss-glx
[05:56] <ubotu> No idea, redboar
[05:56] <redboar> awww
[05:57] <nullix>  thoreauputic, can you give a help
[05:57] <redboar> !screensaver
[05:57] <ubotu> redboar: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, this is really weird
[05:57] <johan_> sorry thenuke i dont recall talking bout mplayer here
[05:57] <dooglus> david__: I maybe have been wrong above, sorry...
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, i just went up and made the thing again
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, on my bros comp and it worked
[05:57] <dooglus> david__: but anyway, the solution is to use "gksudo nautilus" instead of "sudo nautilus"
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, no idea why it din'dt work before
[05:57] <reka> redboar: use /msg ubotu if you're testing it out
[05:57] <david__> dooglus, k
[05:58] <thoreauputic> nullix: if you can get a terminal and login with ctrl-alt-F2, do that and look at the logs
[05:58] <redboar> ok
[05:58] <ivoks> i need help :)
[05:58] <david__> dooglus, do you know how to make it default to the main filesystem instad of that folder it goes to?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> nullix: alt-F7 to return to X
[05:58] <nullix>  thoreauputic, ok I do it
[05:58] <johan_> whats the mplayer for 64 version if one
[05:58] <ivoks> thoreauputic: my fonts are ugly, what can i do? :)
[05:58] <Zodiac> download the MS ones?
[05:59] <mof> johan_, mplayer-amd64
[05:59] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I'm sure you know better than I ;)
[05:59] <johan_> great
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: no, really :)
[05:59] <david__> johan_,  ditch the 64-bit
[05:59] <mof> johan_, sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: i upgraded from sarge to hoary, then from hoary to breezy
[05:59] <johan_>  Couldn't find package mplayer-amd64
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: now i'm back to hoary
[05:59] <reka> david__: just add the url to the end of the command e.g. nautilus /home
[05:59] <david__> i was using 64-bit, but it provides little-no advantage and it causes issues like this
[05:59] <david__> reka, ty very much i'll tyr that
[05:59] <ivoks> thoreauputic: everything is fine, but fonts got this green background :)
[05:59] <dooglus> david__: what do you mean?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> ivoks: heh - you want advice from a luser when you are a MOTU??
[06:00] <david__> reka,  that worked ty
[06:00] <ivoks> :))
[06:00] <mof> johan_, sudo apt-cache search mplayer <-- do this and look for mplayer 64
[06:00] <johan_> thanks
[06:00] <zenlunatic> How can I listen to a .pls file in Hoary?
[06:00] <lok> xmms
[06:00] <reka> zenlunatic: iirc, that's a playlist file
[06:00] <reka> isn't it?
[06:01] <johan_> no output mof
[06:01] <rosco> hi
[06:01] <zenlunatic> reka, Yes.
[06:01] <reka> zenlunatic: see lok's answer.  but i'd personally go for beep-media-player over xmms
[06:01] <rosco> I would like to know which source I should add to my ubuntu to benefit from the debian packages.... (netatalk 2.0.2)
[06:01] <johan_> whats the name of default gnome player
[06:01] <mof> johan_, ? sudo apt-cache search mplayer with no output
[06:02] <zenlunatic> reka, Does BMP decode mp3?
[06:02] <johan_> yes mof
[06:02] <Zodiac> hey felllas, which is the repository that has the DVD playback in it?
[06:02] <reka> johan_: media player? totem with the gstreamer backend
[06:02] <david__> hey, does anyone know how to bind extra mouse buttons to commands eg minimize all?
[06:02] <reka> zenlunatic: it's xmms but better-looking.
[06:02] <reka> zenlunatic: uses gtk2 rather than gtk1
[06:02] <mof> did you make an sudo apt-get update before
[06:02] <zenlunatic> reka, Yes but will it play mp3 is my question.
[06:03] <reka> zenlunatic: yes.
[06:03] <Zodiac> I should just add all of these shouldnt I
[06:03] <reka> zenlunatic: if you don't get sound working change the output plugin from "oss" to "esound" (that's for both xmms and bmp)
[06:03] <chris__> ati 9600 (TX) with 3d is that possible
[06:04] <Lafitte-> need help with setting my screen resolution to a widescreen one   anyone   i cant reconfigure it with success
[06:04] <reka> Zodiac: i think it's marillat
[06:04] <redboar> ttyl all
[06:04] <reka> bye redboar
[06:05] <johan_> yes reka but there is a music player i cant remember name
[06:05] <reka> chris__: yes. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[06:05] <gabriel82> hello how can i install firefox 1.0.4. I have 1.0.2 right know?
[06:05] <dimeo> what custom repository should I add to get w32codecs installed?
[06:05] <Zodiac> You wouldnt happen to have the link at hand would you?
[06:05] <dimeo> I can't find it in synaptic
[06:05] <reka> gabriel82: use the installer on the site.  hoary is frozen i.e. only security updates.
[06:06] <demonic_> ok
[06:06] <demonic_> anyone willing to help me
[06:06] <gabriel82> thanks reka
[06:06] <reka> dimeo: iirc, marillat.  the link is on ubuntuguide.org
[06:06] <Zodiac> is it?
[06:06] <reka> *source link (see adding repositories topic)
[06:06] <demonic_> I just installed ubuntuand the screen goign distored in X
[06:06] <Zodiac> I cant find it in their repostirys
[06:06] <demonic_> I have a ati rage
[06:07] <dimeo> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ is what I added but still no luck
[06:07] <IIIEars> dimeo - grab the needed codecs and disable that repo. - it has other packages that conflict with your ubuntu installation.
[06:07] <david__> hey, does anyone know how to bind commands to extra mouse buttons?
[06:07] <Zodiac> I dont think that is the right one
[06:07] <demonic_> thats done in xorg
[06:07] <demonic_> dammit
[06:08] <demonic_> arg
[06:08] <reka> hmmm, marillat has been taken off ubuntuguide
[06:08] <zenlunatic> reka, cool bmp with esound works
[06:08] <david__> and does anyone know the show desktop command?
[06:08] <j-rock> bmp rocks
[06:08] <QMario> Is there a program to see available wireless networks?
[06:08] <Zodiac> I thought so...
[06:08] <reka> david__: checked ubuntuforums.org yet?  might have a topic on it.
[06:09] <nekohayo> I'm looking for a way to make my touchpad work without any "features", that means no acceleration, no automatic window dragging, has anyone achieved this? In fact, I found an interesting list of xorg.conf options (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad#Configuring_X) but I don't know what they do, I haven't found a glossary around.
[06:09] <WhiteRabbit> QMario, o boy is there!
[06:09] <nekohayo> QMario, "netapplet"
[06:09] <WhiteRabbit> QMario, http://www.kismetwireless.net/
[06:09] <david__> reka,  theres tons of info there and in the wiki about binding them to foward and back
[06:09] <QMario> hey
[06:09] <david__> reka, but i dont' think anyone's done what i'm trying to do yet
[06:09] <Amaranth> david__: show desktop is ctrl-alt-d
[06:10] <Zodiac> wait...
[06:10] <reka> OK. DVD: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats (section 8)
[06:10] <WhiteRabbit> QMario, or mybe you meant this http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[06:10] <demonic_> omg yay I fixed it
[06:10] <david__> Amaranth, ty, i'm gonna try to mess with the irwheel config to see what i can come up with...
[06:10] <Zodiac> Darn, so what is the malliart link?
[06:10] <QMario> Thank You!!! :-D
[06:10] <voth> is there a specific way to thow ubuntu into a term only mode (non-x) to install nvidia drivers
[06:11] <Zodiac> that is the only thing I need...
[06:11] <reka> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[06:11] <reka> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[06:11] <Zodiac> thanks bro!
[06:11] <reka> Make sure you comment them out after, to avoid issues
[06:11] <Zodiac> yea I feel that
[06:12] <mof> bbl
[06:16] <Revolucion> d00d
[06:16] <nalioth> nobody is awake yet?
[06:16] <largezhang> kwifi problem: once network get out of range for a short time, only rebooting can refresh the network status. Better ways are appreciated.
[06:16] <crouton> nope
[06:17] <reka> nalioth: timeout :-)
[06:18] <largezhang> account problem: when loggined as a non-root, after running gdmsetup and input the root password, nothing follows.
[06:18] <nalioth> disquiet: have ya learnt anything new today (re linux)?
[06:18] <reka> largezhang: you type in your own password
[06:18] <david__> hey
[06:18] <david__> dooglus, remember how i was having that prob with nautilus? i just rebooted my comp and its' bugged up again
[06:18] <disquiet> I learned that... well, no. Not yet.
[06:18] <david__> dooglus, you said add gksudo instead of sudo?
[06:19] <nova> i just dont get this im stil getting the mesa garbage
[06:19] <nalioth> learning is a journey
[06:19] <nova> heh
[06:19] <crouton> a long journey
[06:20] <nova> and one with many a reinstall of ubuntu :)
[06:20] <reka> david__: iirc, gksudo is just the graphical password prompt.  sudo is used in terminals
[06:20] <Bols> hmm.. is there a web based repository where I can search for available packages, plz?
[06:20] <crouton> gentoo is worse than ubuntu, at least in my experience, when it comes to reinstallations over and over
[06:20] <david__> reka, oh, would you know why when i reboot i can't use nautilus anymore?
[06:20] <nalioth> nova: really? i havent had to (knock on wood) reinstall once
[06:20] <reka> nova: if the xorg drivers work. why switch to ati's?
[06:20] <WhiteRabbit> Bols, synaptic
[06:20] <Amaranth> Bols: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:20] <Bols> Amaranth, thx
[06:20] <Burgundavia> nova, have you followed wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:20] <nova> because http://im.very.afraid.org/rubies
[06:20] <largezhang> reka: it happens i set both password to be indentical. will that be a problem?
[06:20] <Zodiac> hey reka, I added those repos, and still I cannot find libdvdcss2
[06:20] <nalioth> Bols: you may search in synaptic
[06:20] <nova> notice the graphics glitch in those screen shots
[06:21] <BrokenSword> hi, how do i restart smb server?
[06:21] <crouton> david__: You're on FIOS?  You like?
[06:21] <nova> doesnt realy apply to what im trying to do
[06:21] <Bols> nalioth, I don't have ubuntu at this moment...
[06:21] <nalioth> largezhang: no problem at all
[06:21] <rosco> /etc/rc.d/init.d/smbd restart
[06:21] <david__> crouton, yep-how did you figure that one out?
[06:21] <nova> thats wfine for the xorg ones but not the ati rpm to deb
[06:21] <rosco> /etc/rc.d/init.d/nmbd restart
[06:21] <BrokenSword> thanks rosco
[06:21] <nalioth> Bols: ah, well that was the assumption
[06:22] <david__> crouton, it's fast as hell when it's workign but it still buggers up at times, not as much as the old service though
[06:22] <reka> Zodiac: apt-get update
[06:22] <crouton> david__: Your join shows hostname. :)
[06:22] <david__> crouton, ohh
[06:22] <crouton> Didn't know DC had it yet... thought it was Texas/Cali
[06:22] <Zodiac> I got errors
[06:23] <reka> Zodiac: ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:23] <Zodiac> oh snao
[06:23] <Zodiac> I got it
[06:23] <Zodiac> I think...
[06:23] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:23] <BrokenSword> there's nos such a /etc/rc.d dir
[06:23] <nova> lol some one just random /msged me with a link to whats likly ither 1 a porn image or 2 a virus
[06:23] <Zodiac> I guess that worked
[06:23] <reka> Zodiac: what was it?
[06:24] <dr_willis> rc0.d/      rc2.d/      rc4.d/
[06:24] <crouton> BrokenSword: In some linux distros, yes.
[06:24] <nalioth> nova: aint it great, tha you can check out the pR0n w/o fear of violation?
[06:24] <dr_willis> the one used depends on the runlevel.
[06:24] <Zodiac> well there were dependency errors when I did the apt-get update
[06:24] <nova> heh
[06:24] <BrokenSword> im using ubuntu 5.04
[06:24] <thoreauputic> BrokenSword: /etc/init.d/
[06:24] <Zodiac> but when I grabbed the DVD file it installed it
[06:24] <nova> i dont waste space on  my hd with pron lol
[06:24] <Zodiac> once I said Y
[06:24] <crouton> I think RHAS uses rc.d directories
[06:25] <BrokenSword> thanks thoreauputic
[06:25] <reka> Zodiac: now comment out marillat and apt-get update again.
[06:25] <zenlunatic> My audio is skipping.
[06:25] <Burgundavia> nova, what are you trying to do?
[06:25] <dr_willis> some mini disrtos use just a single rc.d
[06:25] <crouton> zenlunatic: CD or MP3?
[06:25] <nova> this Burgundavia http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10
[06:26] <nova> one post says 50% increase in fps that aloan makes it worth it if i can get these to work
[06:26] <crouton> any opinions on I/O schedulers?
[06:26] <Zodiac> okay no errors
[06:26] <Zodiac> now lets see if I can play a DVD ...
[06:27] <reka> Zodiac: now try and play a dvd
[06:27] <crouton> specifically, anticipatory vs Deadline vs CFQ
[06:27] <synd`> *yawn*
[06:27] <zenlunatic> crouton, Streaming mp3 using BMP
[06:27] <Zodiac> *crosses fingers*
[06:27] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:27] <Zodiac> It worked
[06:27] <crouton> zenlunatic: maybe a buffer issue?
[06:27] <reka> Zodiac: is it choppy?
[06:27] <Zodiac> umm
[06:27] <zenlunatic> crouton, I don't think so its a small stream and I'm on broadband.
[06:28] <Zodiac> I cant tell yet
[06:28] <Zodiac> I may not have sound either
[06:28] <Burgundavia> nova, there is serious chance you will mess your system up seriously with that
[06:28] <nova> then i just go back and redo every thing
[06:28] <Zodiac> hmm
[06:28] <Zodiac> no sound
[06:28] <nova> takes like 2 hours
[06:29] <reka> Zodiac: is this in totem?
[06:29] <nova> would be the 3rd hoseing of ubuntu for me
[06:29] <Zodiac> yes
[06:29] <reka> (1) try: killall esd
[06:29] <reka> (2) use totem-xine, rather than totem-gstreamer
[06:29] <delire> hello kids
[06:30] <reka> hi
[06:30] <crouton> hello old person
[06:30] <crouton> :)
[06:30] <BrokenSword> how can i check o ut if mysql is running or not?
[06:30] <Zodiac> totem xine?
[06:30] <crouton> BrokenSword: ps aux
[06:30] <Zodiac> Can I easily switch back if I need to?
[06:30] <crouton> BrokenSword: ps aux | grep mysql would work better, i suppose
[06:30] <reka> Zodiac: same thing.  it just uses the xine backend rather than the default gstreamer.
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: you won't need to...
[06:30] <BrokenSword> ok thanks crouton
[06:31] <Tritis> afternoon all.   I had a system freeze while I was asleep :(  Anyone know how to check for what happened
[06:31] <Zodiac> okay so how do I switch?
[06:31] <reka> Zodiac: did killall esd do anything?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: install totem-xine
[06:31] <delire> Tritis: check out /var/log/syslog
[06:31] <Zodiac> not that I can tell
[06:31] <delire> Tritis: X or the kernel? the latter is very rare
[06:31] <david__> alright, who here knows anything about imwheelrc?
[06:31] <reka> Zodiac: ok.  i'd try totem-xine
[06:32] <Zodiac> in the package manager?
[06:32] <Zodiac> oh man
[06:32] <Zodiac> it wants to uninstall gstreamer...
[06:32] <reka> confirm
[06:32] <Zodiac> Should I do it?
[06:32] <BrokenSword> s+ means the program is running?
[06:32] <Zodiac> ok
[06:32] <Tritis> delire: Kernel.  I couldn't alt+control+backspace, or delete or f1-f6.  And i couldn't ssh in from my laptop
[06:32] <largezhang> xine keeps complaining about missing cook.so.6.0 but i have 'ln -s' cook.so to that name. why? Thanks
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: that's right
[06:33] <reka> that's what you want.  you're switching to totem-xine remember.
[06:33] <crouton> BrokenSword: s+ means sleeping, i think.  not performing operations at that moment
[06:33] <BrokenSword> oh
[06:33] <Tritis> delire: Last line of my syslog.0 Jun  4 07:35:51 localhost exiting on signal 15
[06:33] <crouton> man ps for more info
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: the xine backend will replace the gstreamer one
[06:34] <Zodiac> ok it is working... but I assumed gstreamer was better
[06:34] <reka> thoreauputic: am i right in suggesting him to do that if sound doesn't work?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: work in progress
[06:34] <thoreauputic> reka: it's basically what I did myself :)
[06:34] <Zodiac> ok lets see if it worked...
[06:35] <reka> thoreauputic: me too.  just wanted confirmation i guess :-)
[06:35] <thoreauputic> reka: I also applied the fix on ubuntuguide.org that uses (IIRC) dmix
[06:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:35] <Zodiac> ok lets see if it worked
[06:35] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:35] <Zodiac> it worked
[06:35] <BrokenSword> when i first installed ubuntu i did not choose to install mysql,  but i see /etc/mysql does that mean it's installed?
[06:35] <Zodiac> nice
[06:35] <reka> thoreauputic: lol, this link? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:36] <crouton> BrokenSword: You can do a search in synpatic for 'mysql' and see if it's installed, or some related files.
[06:36] <Zodiac> Thanks boys
[06:36] <Zodiac> you done me good :)
[06:36] <reka> thoreauputic: hopefully this fiddly stuff will be fixed by breezy.
[06:36] <crouton> General question: Is LVM required for Ubuntu?
[06:36] <synd`> hopefully not
[06:36] <reka> Zodiac: is the playback smooth?
[06:36] <mjr> crouton, no
[06:36] <synd`> its fun to fix : )
[06:37] <crouton> mjr - ..so why does it mention it explicitly in the startup statements?
[06:37] <BrokenSword> crouton,  where is synpatic
[06:37] <mjr> crouton, because you can set LVM up during install if you want?
[06:37] <crouton> BrokenSword: sorry, synaptic.
[06:37] <Zodiac> umm
[06:37] <synd`> BrokenSword, System > Admin
[06:37] <Zodiac> I cant tell yet... it is the opening scene from spaceballs
[06:37] <Zodiac> But I think it is
[06:38] <crouton> mjr - Ah.  RedHat4 uses LVM automatically, I thought it was the same here.
[06:38] <synd`> BrokenSword, Synaptic Package Manager
[06:38] <Lenny1729> Has anybody managed to get a Fritz ISDN card working under ubuntu? I followed the IsdnHowtoHoary but it doent work
[06:38] <BrokenSword> thanks crouton  and synd
[06:38] <reka> Zodiac: another common problem.  http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom (replace /dev/cdrom with /dev/dvd)
[06:38] <crouton> np
[06:39] <Unintentional> Does anyone know how I can find the charset and codepage to a windows partition?  All my files with foreign characters can't be read.
[06:39] <synd`> dammit i just downloaded the tiger dvd .iso but i have no dvd burner : (
[06:39] <nalioth> synd`: are you being helpful this morning?
[06:39] <synd`> NO
[06:39] <crouton> synd`: I'm told it's particularly difficult to burn Tiger on a non-apple system.
[06:39] <nalioth> synd`: why would you d/l an image w/o a way to externalize it?
[06:39] <ern1e> ive been searching all morning for a multi platform desktop extending program, i saw it a while back on sourceforge and cant find it anywhere, anyone know what it is called
[06:39] <nalioth> crouton: nah, dmg2iso.pl
[06:39] <synd`> crouton, i didnt download it on my ubuntu box :p
[06:40] <synd`> crouton, i downloaded it on my imac
[06:40] <crouton> synd`: Ah.  No superdrive?
[06:40] <synd`> nalioth, that is a good question.
[06:40] <synd`> crouton, no : (
[06:40] <crouton> Doh!
[06:40] <nalioth> crouton: and obviously no external fw dvd burner
[06:40] <mjr> Unintentional, if you're using Hoary with default utf-8 locales, add iocharset=utf-8 to mount options (I think)
[06:40] <crouton> Indeed. heh
[06:40] <chaitatp> hi guys, i got a problem about my /etc/resolv.conf
[06:41] <crouton> howy chai
[06:41] <synd`> nalioth, crouton, i have a friend with a powerbook 17" so im gonna yak it from him and burn it
[06:41] <chaitatp> i edit it
[06:41] <chaitatp> by vi
[06:41] <nalioth> synd`: just trade the img for the pb
[06:41] <crouton> synd`:  Sounds like a plan.  I'd love to get an old G4 but I've got too many computers already.
[06:41] <david__> hey
[06:41] <chaitatp> adding dns but then after a while the system just change it to the initial value
[06:41] <nalioth> crouton: BITE your tongue! too many puters?
[06:41] <david__> does anyone else find the mouse sens/accel menu to be buggered?
[06:42] <chaitatp> how could i change it permanently
[06:42] <david__> eg: accel changes sens, sens does nothing
[06:42] <crouton> nalioth: 6 in a 1/1 apt, in various states of use/configuration. :p
[06:42] <synd`> crouton, i wanna old powermac g4 dual
[06:42] <crouton> dualie would be excellent
[06:42] <Scorpinf> how do i execute/install  *.deb file?
[06:43] <crouton> Scorpinf: dpkg -i blah.deb
[06:43] <reka> Scorpinf: what is it?
[06:43] <synd`> ultra multitasking : )
[06:43] <Scorpinf> ok tnx
[06:43] <nalioth> crouton: rack mounts + kvm
[06:43] <chaitatp> i add it from Network settings
[06:43] <Zodiac> all right
[06:43] <crouton> synd`:  lol.  I've got 3 hooked up right here... 1 ubuntu, 1 XP, 1 debian woody
[06:43] <Zodiac> it worked
[06:43] <chaitatp> the dns
[06:43] <Zodiac> great!
[06:43] <Scorpinf> reka: nero
[06:43] <synd`> XP! BOO!
[06:44] <crouton> nalioth: Shit, I wish.  No way the spouse will live with a rack.
[06:44] <reka> Zodiac: anything else?  mp3s work OK?
[06:44] <jugarnatha> howdy all. I have the accursed dell optiplex gx1 and i think i've finally got my soundcard working
[06:44] <reka> :-)
[06:44] <jugarnatha> but my main volume control is stuck.
[06:44] <crouton> synd`: Got to play WoW.
[06:44] <nalioth> crouton: then get rid of monitors + kvm
[06:44] <jugarnatha> I can't keep it up. heh.
[06:44] <crouton> nalioth: Already have KVM
[06:44] <jugarnatha> anyone have any advice?
[06:44] <reka> Scorpinf: ah.  i was gonna recommend checking repositories first, but ... move along :-)
[06:44] <Zodiac> yea no doubt
[06:44] <Zodiac> Reka thanks a lot man
[06:44] <nekohayo> how can I quickly unmess one of my panels without gui?
[06:44] <Zodiac> you were a great help
[06:45] <delire> Scorpinf: apt is just a frontend to dpkg. apt handles the retreival AND installation (dpkg -i) of pacakges.
[06:45] <nalioth> crouton: ya got one monitor plus 2 puters and one doorstop?
[06:45] <synd`> crouton, i got this ubuntu box, my ibook g4 (with an external monitor, spanned desktop) and a 15" toshiba laptop running ubuntu xfce
[06:45] <reka> Zodiac: sure.  make notes! for your next reinstallation if needed.  and for when you help other peopl out. :-)
[06:45] <crouton> nalioth: 2 monitors (dual-head, yum) + KVM + 3 comps all hooked up and running. Wife's got another box, and 2 more that aren't in use atm.
[06:45] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:45] <Zodiac> I did
[06:45] <nalioth> crouton: ah
[06:45] <reka> nekohayo: unmess?
[06:46] <Zodiac> Man isn't Nokia supporting Gstreamer these days?
[06:46] <crouton> jugarnatha: volume isn't staying put?
[06:46] <reka> Zodiac: well, you're all set up on the media front. :-)
[06:46] <delire> Zodiac: i believe so
[06:46] <nalioth> crouton: get rid of your rats nest, buy a dual opteron and both of you can run off of it (with linux of course)
[06:46] <crouton> nalioth, synd: 3 scanners too. Too much stuff.
[06:46] <nekohayo> reka, yes, I wanted to turn on the transparency (not xcompositing eh, the one with the panel only)
[06:46] <Zodiac> So why is Xine better?
[06:46] <Zodiac> Weird
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: gstreamer isn't quite there yet, IMO
[06:46] <nekohayo> and it's so messed up that it always crashes, and I can't change it
[06:47] <nekohayo> pretty desesperate
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: gstreamer is fairly new...
[06:47] <crouton> nalioth: As soon as AMD-X2's come down.. (maybe january) I'm going to do some consolidation
[06:47] <nekohayo> so if I could edit it in some config file..
[06:47] <jugarnatha> nope. I slide it up and it slides right back down almost instantly.
[06:47] <Zodiac> Yea I guess so... when it gets better you guys will let me know right :)
[06:47] <synd`> i wanna put ubuntu on this athlon 1.3 but when i was fiddling around with it, i took out the processor and now i have lost it!
[06:47] <nalioth> crouton: btw, i am a home for unwanted equipment
[06:47] <reka> nekohayo: i think you can remove .gnome2 or something to reset.  get another opinion though!
[06:47] <nekohayo> any ideas?
[06:47] <crouton> anybody with soundmixer experience can help juga?
[06:48] <nekohayo> well.. removing my ENTIRE gnome configuration would be a bit annoying
[06:48] <Lenny1729> Has anybody managed to get isdn working with a FRITZ card? I read the IsdnHowtoHoary but it didnt work.
[06:48] <crouton> nalioth: hehe.  I haven't mentioned the graveyard of comps I tinker with at work.  More AMD K7-700s than you can shake a stick at.
[06:48] <Zodiac> the next big front is going to be wireless internet... but that is a poject for another day
[06:48] <synd`> Zodiac, wireless is cake
[06:48] <nalioth> crouton: can you say "cluster"?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> nekohayo: move/ backup the files first so you can restore them later
[06:48] <crouton> Lenny1729: You checked the ubuntu forums?
[06:48] <Scorpinf> getting crazy on the DMA, i thought i turned it on but nero says no :-(
[06:48] <reka> nekohayo: join #gnome
[06:49] <crouton> nalioth: It's a thought, would like to get some cluster experience.  Maybe do PXE server farm?
[06:49] <reka> or do what thoreauputic said :-)
[06:49] <Zodiac> ha ha
[06:49] <nekohayo> well, why backup and restore, wouldn't that be the same as specifically removing the "panel" config fileS?
[06:49] <Zodiac> I dunno synd
[06:49] <Zodiac> I hope you are right though :)
[06:49] <nekohayo> which should be under .gnome2
[06:49] <nalioth> crouton: whatever you can convice the boss to let you screw off on, er produce results with
[06:49] <Zodiac> well take care fellas! See you round, thanks again for all your help!
[06:49] <thoreauputic> nekohayo: that way you can put things back in bits, and see which setting caused the problem
[06:49] <reka> bye Zodiac
[06:50] <Zodiac> bye reka :)
[06:50] <crouton> nalioth: Indeed.. they want some linux cluster experience, maybe I can take a couple days and get up to speed
[06:50] <crouton> Anybody have problems with volume slider not staying put?
[06:51] <nalioth> crouton: and remember, i take old eqpt
[06:51] <jugarnatha> also, a lot of the faders in Volume Control keep locking themselves. not sure if that matters.
[06:51] <crouton> nalioth: heh
[06:52] <nalioth> crouton: volume slider being moved once and changes next boot?
[06:52] <reka> crouton: the applet or the volume setting?
[06:52] <crouton> nalioth: I'm fronting for jugarnatha, he's the one with problems. :)
[06:52] <dahz> I have Ubuntu installed on my laptop and I'd like to install Xfce on it as my GUI, how do I go about doing this? (i am new to linux)
[06:52] <synd`> dahz, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[06:52] <crouton> dahz: Check the ubuntuforums, there should be a guide on how to do that
[06:52] <jugarnatha> no it changes instantly. slides all the way back down.
[06:52] <nalioth> jugarnatha: : volume slider being moved once and changes next boot?
[06:52] <jugarnatha> no it changes instantly. slides all the way back down.
[06:52] <synd`> dahz, or open up Synaptic and search for xfce4
[06:52] <thoreauputic> dahz: enable the universe repository first
[06:52] <nalioth> jugarnatha: thats out of my league
[06:53] <synd`> yeah yeah
[06:53] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[06:53] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:53] <BrokenSword> hrmmm i don't see mysql on synaptic list
[06:53] <synd`> !synd is i love you synd
[06:53] <ubotu> synd`: okay
[06:53] <dahz> which repository do i need to add?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> dahz: universe
[06:54] <reka> thoreauputic: ubuntuguide's topic includes backports and not marillat.  pehaps you should add a note saying this and that they should comment them out after use
[06:54] <stjepan> hello
[06:55] <crouton> Anybody running on the A7N266/Nforce board?
[06:55] <crouton> hi stjepan
[06:55] <synd`> does the guy who wrote the ubuntuguide ever come here?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> reka: ? I'm not associted with ubuntuguide.org - what do you mean?
[06:55] <nalioth> !restricted
[06:55] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:55] <stjepan> who does use ADSL with Ubuntu?
[06:56] <ubuntu> stjepan, I do I have an ethernet card that talks to an adsl router this makes the most sense to me
[06:57] <reka> thoreauputic: they add the backports repos to their sample sources.list  isn't this asking for trouble judging by problems people have had?
[06:57] <ubuntu> stjepan, are you talking about a specific adsl card with ubuntu?
[06:57] <Varanger> okease... my sound card isn't working well... please I need help
[06:57] <reka> thoreauputic: i meant a note in the bot's response :-)
[06:57] <thoreauputic> reka: "they" is actually one guy from Singapore IIRC
[06:57] <jugarnatha> een nederlander! kijk!
[06:57] <stjepan> I have usb, wireless
[06:58] <thoreauputic> reka: you can change the bot's responses - just do "no, ubuntuguide is ...." (If that's the topic/keyword)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> reka: best to /msg the bot to keep the chan from spam, though
[06:58] <crouton> Varanger: We need a little more information than that to help
[06:58] <synd`> !ubuntuguide
[06:58] <ubotu> synd`: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> so, which topic?
[06:59] <reka> repositories, iirc
[06:59] <thoreauputic> reka: that's a wiki entry
[06:59] <thoreauputic> not ubuntuguide
[06:59] <ubuntu> stjepan, I have a wireless card that just works with ubuntu, however if you click on System -> administration -> Networking, you may find that you can get it to work
[07:00] <stjepan> ubuntu, how?
[07:00] <Amaranth> ubotu: ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:00] <ubotu> okay, Amaranth
[07:00] <stjepan> how to set up it?
[07:00] <nalioth> thoreauputic:  i like the fact i can !say something in response to a question and point the questioner to the bots response
[07:00] <reka> well there goes my argument :-/ *smacks forehead*
[07:00] <thoreauputic> reka: I tens to agree about backports though - I don't think they should be there
[07:00] <ubuntu> stjepan, did you click on that?
[07:00] <reka> thoreauputic: sorry!
[07:00] <thoreauputic> s/tens/tends
[07:01] <thoreauputic> tend actually
[07:01] <ubuntu> thoreauputic, can type, albeit badly :)
[07:01] <stjepan> ubuntu: what do I need to do?L
[07:02] <thoreauputic> !who owns you
[07:02] <ubotu> cafuego does
[07:02] <ubuntu> stjepan, you click on that and if the card is visible as an icon there you may be able to enable it
[07:02] <rj45> hi
[07:03] <crouton> What's wrong with the backports?
[07:03] <Varanger> crouton: I've got an Intel HD Audio and I follow every guide in the net (google) and I keep getting "scratchy" audio
[07:03] <rj45> how can I change the vsftpd default directory for a user?
[07:03] <ubuntu> stjepan, if you can't you should try to find out the name of the card and use the ubuntu web site to see if there is a fix, if you can't find it there, try google,
[07:03] <DekaPink> Is there a way to mount a CD image file in Ubuntu? :3
[07:04] <Lenny1729> What can I do when a package refuses to uninstall?
[07:04] <crouton> Varanger: Don't know anything about Intel HD audio, sorry.. have you checked the ubuntu forums?
[07:04] <crouton> DekaPink: You could mount it loopback, I think
[07:04] <DekaPink> crouton: Ooooh... How would I go about doing that? :3
[07:05] <Varanger> crouton: every guid in Ubuntu, ALSA and info about other distros
[07:05] <crouton> DekaPink: try 'mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso'
[07:05] <nalioth> crouton: they can come back and bite your backside with future upgrades
[07:05] <crouton> Varanger: sorry, don't know anything else that could help
[07:05] <DekaPink> crouton: Thank you. :D
[07:05] <synd`> whats the command to find out what kinda processor, its mhz/ghz and the RAM?
[07:06] <crouton> DekaPink: Did that work?
[07:06] <BlackShuck> Having problems with XOrg locking up when I exit GUI or change modes.  I seen this before on a previous distribution.  I solved that, by using the nvidia GLX driver, which worked alot better.  I want to use that on ubuntu, but when I try to add it, it wants to "give" me a prebuilt kernel.  I rolled my own kernel, as the provided one does not work very reliabily on my AMD64 system.  How can I get the nvidia GLX kernel driver, but not the ubuntu linux k
[07:06] <reka> Varanger: tried this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly (gnome)
[07:06] <DekaPink> crouton: Going to try it now.
[07:07] <crouton> synd`: Can't you do a cat of something in /proc  to get that?
[07:07] <chaitatp> ...
[07:07] <synd`> crouton, i have no idea
[07:08] <crouton> synd`: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[07:08] <crouton> synd`: Though I'm sure the Device Manager can give you cleaner info
[07:08] <chaitatp> ????
[07:09] <chaitatp> ...
[07:09] <crouton> chaitatp: ?
[07:09] <synd`> crouton, but command line is oh so much more fun : )
[07:09] <chaitatp> need help about dns crouton :D
[07:09] <chaitatp> crouton, by default /etc/resolv.conf contains the line
[07:09] <Varanger> reka: I haven't but I am not using using esd... I am using ALSA or OSS under Multimedia System Selector
[07:09] <crouton> chaitatp: Eek.. not very knowledgeable about that
[07:09] <BlackShuck> in Gentoo speak, I could inject a package to fool the package manager, that the dependency was met.  How do I do this in ubuntu:?
[07:09] <chaitatp> crouton, nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:10] <chaitatp> crouton, oh just tell you:D
[07:10] <nalioth> synd`: hear hear viva la command line
[07:10] <chaitatp> crouton, with that i can ping any hostname
[07:10] <chaitatp> any url
[07:10] <reka> Varanger: i'd try it anyway.  iirc, they deal with ditching oss and installing alsa
[07:10] <reka> *it deals with
[07:10] <synd`> what about finding out the max RAM?
[07:10] <chaitatp> but i can't open web by hostname in firefox and can't use Gaim to connect to msn server
[07:10] <synd`> in command line
[07:10] <crouton> synd`: free?
[07:11] <synd`> crouton, no, max
[07:11] <chaitatp> unless i add more dns sever into /etc/resolv.conf
[07:11] <crouton> synd`: Should tell you anyways
[07:11] <Varanger> reka: I have built the lastest alsa sources from alsa-project.org
[07:11] <crouton> chaitatp: Are you getting your IP static or dynamic?
[07:11] <synd`> crouton, so whats the cmd : P
[07:12] <crouton> synd`: 'free -g'
[07:12] <crouton> or -m if you prefer megabytes
[07:12] <chaitatp> dynamic i think
[07:12] <synd`> crouton, i was wondering why they all said 0 !
[07:12] <chaitatp> dynamic from my router
[07:12] <reka> Varanger: i'll leave it up to you.   it's just that that's how i fixed my sound woes.
[07:12] <chaitatp> crouton, dynamic from my router
[07:13] <crouton> chaitatp: Have you tried entering the nameserver from your router into /etc/resov.conf?
[07:13] <[Thorrn4] > Hello!! recently my computer has been running slow...since 2 days ago....it takes awhile to boot up (GRUB) and applications take awhile to load...what cause be causing this problem? I have looked into my CPU % usage and it does not help...
[07:13] <crouton> It should have done that anyways, i think
[07:13] <noggin> I'm trying to install a new desktop for Ubunto 5.04, XFCE.  I think gcc is not in my path, and I think that is why my install is failing (log says gcc: command not found).  I think gcc is installed, but I don't know how to find what directory its in.
[07:13] <chaitatp> crouton, the name server from my router?
[07:13] <chaitatp> crouton, i have tried adding other name server in it
[07:13] <oDysseas> [Thorrn4] : what motherboard do you have?
[07:14] <crouton> chaitatp: Hmm
[07:14] <chaitatp> but after a while the system just change it to the original
[07:14] <crouton> noggin: Do you have gcc installed?
[07:14] <reka> noggin: type "which gcc" (w/o quotes)
[07:14] <crouton> noggin: gcc -v
[07:14] <thoreauputic> noggin: you need build-essential - but why are you compiling xfce?
[07:14] <Varanger> reka: Do you also have Intel HD Audio?
[07:14] <lucia80> hi all
[07:14] <crouton> hi lucia80
[07:14] <[Thorrn4] > oDysseas, is there a way to check? I know that it is a AMD compatible motherboard, made by Dragon
[07:14] <reka> Varanger: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:14] <reka> i think so :-)
[07:14] <lucia80> crouton, is it possible to have a minimal cd and install ubuntu via ethernet ?
[07:14] <crouton> [Thorrn4] : You could open the case :)
[07:15] <noggin> I think I do.  The installer said if tound it.  I wasn't trying to build it, I downloaded an installer (but I'm newbis).... I'll try "which gcc"
[07:15] <lucia80> crouton, like many other distro ?
[07:15] <crouton> lucia80: Oy.  I'm sure it's possible, I don't know offhand how to do it
[07:15] <Varanger> reak: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[07:15] <crouton> lucia80: You may want to hit the forums and do a search, surely someone has had your same question
[07:15] <thoreauputic> noggin: you don't need to compile xfce4 - just enable the universe repo and install from synaptic
[07:16] <reka> noggin: easiest way of installing xfce is by installing the xfce4 package like thoreauputic said.
[07:16] <lucia80> crouton, 'cause i don't find a minimal cd...do you know is it is ?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> noggin: you are doing it the hard way
[07:16] <reka> Varanger: i guess not then. :-(
[07:16] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[07:16] <noggin> Ok, thanks thoreauputic and reka.  I'll try that.  I looked at the XFCE site and it had a graphical installer and that is what I was trying to use
[07:16] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:16] <thoreauputic> noggin: read the bot's URL above
[07:17] <noggin> Ok thanks :)  On a side note, does anyone know of any free PCB schematic and layout programs for Linux?
[07:17] <crouton> lucia80: I don't see a minimal CD either
[07:17] <noggin> Eagle is one, but its limited.  I may use it though....
[07:17] <lucia80> crouton, in fact..ok thanks
[07:17] <Varanger> reka: can you send me your /etc/modprobe.d/sound file pleasE?
[07:18] <nalioth> noggin: try searching sourceforge.net
[07:18] <noggin> okies
[07:18] <noggin> off to read now, thanks everyone
[07:18] <marjorie> Guys what is the "mii" module?
[07:18] <reka> Varanger: hmm, i don't have one.
[07:18] <Varanger> reka: We don't have exactly the same card but did you have the same problems?
[07:18] <DekaPink> crouton: There we go... I had to convert it to .iso with bchunk first, though. :)
[07:18] <crouton> DekaPink: Excellent, glad it works.
[07:18] <Varanger> reka:and about the problems?
[07:19] <BlackShuck> stupid question, how I do start and stop services?
[07:19] <nalioth> good ol' binchunker
[07:19] <reka> Varanger: not "scratchy" audio per se.  i had problems with audio not working now and then.
[07:19] <DekaPink> crouton: Thanks again. :)
[07:19] <crouton> marjorie: It's related to how your network card works, you can enable/module it with no worries.
[07:19] <crouton> DekaPink: No problem.
[07:19] <BlackShuck> I want to stop gdm, kill xwindows, but leave me with a console...
[07:19] <Amaranth> BlackShuck: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:19] <thoreauputic> BlackShuck: sudo /etc/init.d/nameof service stop|start|restart  and so on
[07:20] <trixsey> Hey guys
[07:20] <trixsey> I need help :)
[07:20] <nalioth> BlackShuck: <ctrl><alt><f2> and up to f6 will get you a console
[07:20] <crouton> hi trixsey
[07:20] <trixsey> crouton, you know MPlayer?
[07:20] <crouton> nalioth: Damn, beat me to it
[07:20] <Amaranth> nalioth: f1 too
[07:20] <crouton> trixsey: Nope, sorry
[07:20] <trixsey> I've compiled and installed it, yet it wont work
[07:20] <BlackShuck> I need to kill X server to install the nvidia stuff
[07:20] <marjorie> Crouton: Thank you, how can i find out if a modul is accessing a paticular device (a pcmcia wlan card in my case)
[07:20] <trixsey> I can run it through terminal but I cant run it through a movie file
[07:20] <reka> nalioth: i never knew what the difference b/n <f1> - <f6> is.  not that i've tried.
[07:20] <nalioth> Amaranth: my <f1> has crap in it
[07:20] <crouton> marjorie: You can run 'lsmod' if it's already in use
[07:20] <nalioth> reka: just diffent logins
[07:20] <[Thorrn4] > I have a quick question...everytime I try to open a new movie in Kaffeine...it crashes....is there a fix or something for it?
[07:21] <reka> ah
[07:21] <thoreauputic> BlackShuck: amaranth's answer will do it
[07:21] <BlackShuck> still finding my way around, too many different things, coming from Gentoo...
[07:21] <trixsey> Anyone in here using MPlayer?
[07:21] <trixsey> Anyone in here using MPlayer?
[07:21] <trixsey> :(
[07:21] <crouton> BlackShuck: could always ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X. :)
[07:21] <nalioth> [Thorrn4] : are you in kubuntu? i've found kde apps dont like running in gnome (ymmv)
[07:21] <pablo_> hello i got a problem on hoary with audio, i have to run alsaconf everytime i wanna hear something. anyone got a clue on how to fix the config for alsa?
[07:21] <BlackShuck> does it not respawn?
[07:21] <Amaranth> nalioth: yeah, i get crap dumped there sometimes too, just pretend it isn't there and type in your username
[07:21] <marjorie> Crouton: I can see it in lsdmod but was hopeing for more detailed info
[07:21] <[Thorrn4] > Im in Ubuntu nalioth
[07:21] <thoreauputic> crouton: that will just restart gdm though
[07:21] <Amaranth> trixsey: I use xine and vlc, sorry.
[07:21] <trixsey> oh :(
[07:21] <crouton> thoreauputic: ah, true
[07:21] <trixsey> VLC sucks :p
[07:21] <trixsey> Player rulez
[07:21] <marjorie> Bascially I need to kill anything ndiswrapper wants to access
[07:21] <trixsey> MPlayer
[07:22] <nalioth> Amaranth: well, f2-f6 are more than enough for me
[07:22] <[Thorrn4] > Im run xfce, gnome, and kde....and all of them have the same problem
[07:22] <crouton> marjorie: You could rmmod it, maybe?
[07:22] <marjorie> sacrey :)
[07:22] <crouton> heh
[07:22] <delire> [Thorrn4] : what problem?
[07:22] <marjorie> Then our chat might stop :)
[07:22] <BlackShuck> shame ndiswrapper is not in the default ubuntu install.  I wasted this whole afternoon trying to get networked, because it was not already there...
[07:22] <Amaranth> trixsey: If it 'rulez' so much why do you need help with it?
[07:22] <chaitatp> crouton,
[07:22] <[Thorrn4] > trixsey, how can u maximize a movie in mplayer...is stays small what the program is opened all the way
[07:22] <crouton> chaitatp: aye?
[07:23] <[Thorrn4] > delire, everytime I try to open a new movie in Kaffeine...it crashes
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, the problem is when i change resolv.conf the system just change it to the original content
[07:23] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : You need to start mplayer with the -zoom option
[07:23] <delire> BlackShuck: if you want non-free stuff like java, proprietary video card drivers, codecs and ndiswrapper etc go with something like Mepis.
[07:23] <chaitatp> so now i chmod -w resolv.conf, crouton
[07:23] <crouton> chaitatp: Are you editing it with sudo?
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, yes
[07:23] <marjorie> Blackshuck: I think the acx module and ndiswrapper dont really get on
[07:23] <crouton> hmm
[07:23] <megabit> Hi I install KDE what am I need when I want to KDER running now I install kubuntu-desktop. Need I some next package?
[07:23] <delire> BlackShuck: ubuntu will always be more difficult as it has more integrity.
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, so that the system can't change it after i have change it
[07:23] <chaitatp> crouton, is that a good idea?
[07:23] <reka> pablo_: running gnome?
[07:23] <crouton> chaitatp: Suppose so, if it works. :)
[07:24] <pablo_> yes reka
[07:24] <reka> !fixsound
[07:24] <ubotu> well, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:24] <nalioth> megabit: if you have installed kubuntu-desktop, then you may choose 'sessions' at your login screen and pick kd3
[07:24] <chaitatp> crouton, need to study more about dns
[07:24] <nalioth> kde
[07:24] <[Thorrn4] > so... do I have to run it in the terminal everytime Amaranth?
[07:24] <delire> [Thorrn4] : odd, i don't use Kaffeine. perhaps join a #kde or #kaffeine channel?
[07:24] <chaitatp> crouton, i thought that only ip of my router is enough for resolving hostname
[07:24] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : You can use smeg to edit the menu entry for it.
[07:24] <thoreauputic> reka: ah, thats a useful factoid :)
[07:24] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : If you do that it the command would be gmplayer -zoom
[07:24] <reka> thoreauputic: i'm a little afraid it could break people's systems though.  should i be?
[07:25] <crouton> chaitatp: You said you've tried putting the external DNS server IP in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> reka: well, if they don't follow it carefully, perhaps
[07:25] <reka> pablo_: follow the link i posted above
[07:25] <chaitatp> crouton, yes
[07:26] <thoreauputic> reka: some people might have a problem with creating the config file
[07:26] <crouton> chaitatp: I say that because I'm using DHCP from my router, and my /etc/resolv.conf has the external IP addresses.
[07:26] <chaitatp> crouton, AH
[07:26] <thoreauputic> reka: even though it's just a copy/paste really
[07:26] <chaitatp> crouton, so your router should send the external dns to the LAN
[07:26] <reka> thoreauputic: lol. was about to say that.
[07:27] <chaitatp> crouton, umm
[07:27] <crouton> chaitatp: Aye. Can you cut/paste your /etc/resolv.conf to ubuntu.pastebin.com?
[07:27] <cuntface> I recently installed Ubuntu, and my monitors buttons to adjust the screen, well a couple of them don't work, and I was wondering if there is a program to adjust monitor settings like that
[07:27] <thoreauputic> reka: ubuntuguide is most useful for people who already have a clue or two, i think
[07:27] <[Thorrn4] > Amaranth, the menus do not minimize as the video....extends...it gets in the way
[07:27] <chaitatp> crouton, maybe my resonv.conf change because my router keep sending dns to my pc
[07:27] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : What?
[07:27] <chaitatp> crouton, hmm?
[07:27] <cuntface> join #help
[07:28] <delire> it is crazy so many newbies have to deal with this however http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:28] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : You mean the controls on the bottom of the page?
[07:28] <chaitatp> my resolv.conf
[07:28] <chaitatp> is just
[07:28] <chaitatp> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:28] <delire> it's nuts.
[07:28] <[Thorrn4] > yea Amaranth
[07:28] <megabit> nalioth, And I use debian at mz desktop is in ubuntu something like KDM?
[07:28] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : err, not page, window
[07:28] <crouton> hmm
[07:28] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : move the mouse once, then stop
[07:28] <chaitatp> crouton, it's my router ip
[07:28] <crouton> What ISP are you using, chaitatp ?
[07:28] <sean_> Hi - Can anyone tell me which kernel image I should install for a Pentium MMX CPU? Do I just have to stick with the default 386 one, or is there a specific kernel I can use that will be faster?
[07:28] <chaitatp> crouton, True (Thailand)
[07:28] <reka> Amaranth: any way of telling the bot to send a directed message to someone?  i think people could possibly skip over what it says.
[07:28] <thoreauputic> cuntface: boy, you really know how to pick nicks, don't you :/
[07:28] <Amaranth> ubotu: tell reka about smeg
[07:28] <cuntface> thoreauputic, i try
[07:29] <nalioth> megabit: kde runs under gdm or kdm
[07:29] <cuntface> thoreauputic,  got any clue about my question?
[07:29] <reka> Amaranth: nice, thanks. :-)
[07:29] <Amaranth> reka: like that :D
[07:29] <marjorie> Does anyone know if acx_pci is part of some package i can remove?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> cuntface: It's erm, offensive, I'm afraid
[07:29] <noggin> ooo xfce is being downloaded.  I like this a whole lot better than trying to apt-get install individual packages :)
[07:29] <[Thorrn4] > what about the bar on the side Amaranth?
[07:29] <Twitch> thoreauputic, there you go
[07:29] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : what bar on the side?
[07:29] <crouton> chaitatp: hmm....
[07:29] <thoreauputic> thank you
[07:29] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : Just use vlc, all your problems will be solved. :D
[07:30] <[Thorrn4] > when the program loads...it loads with a screen and a side menu
[07:30] <[Thorrn4] > what is vlc?
[07:30] <reka> sean_: you can go with the 686 one.  i never notice any difference, but that's just me.
[07:30] <Twitch> thoreauputic, do you got any idea with my question about my monitor though?
[07:30] <crouton> chaitatp: Here's mine, maybe you can tweak yours using this as a reference. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/295131
[07:30] <chaitatp> crouton, just wonder because i set my pc to use dhcp
[07:30] <chaitatp> crouton, thx
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Twitch: just ask your question and if someone knows, they will answer
[07:31] <crouton> chaitatp: I think that using your router as a DNS resolver is incorrect
[07:31] <delire> hehe
[07:31] <Twitch> I recently installed Ubuntu, and my monitors buttons to adjust the screen, well a couple of them don't work, and I was wondering if there is a program to adjust monitor settings like that
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Twitch: I didn't see it anyway
[07:31] <chaitatp> crouton, OH
[07:31] <chaitatp> crouton, what's that search?
[07:31] <chaitatp> search?
[07:31] <crouton> chaitatp: Not sure. :)
[07:31] <megabit> nalioth, And know you why I cant playing MP3?
[07:31] <Twitch> thoreauputic,  its ok
[07:31] <sean_> reka - the 686 one only supports Pentium 2 and higher according to the package description, and when I installed linux-686 on a Pentium MMX the machine would no longer boot
[07:31] <crouton> It might be my ISP's way of getting faster DNS servers, not sure
[07:31] <delire> Twitch: you mean skewing/angular correction/ rotation etc? it cannot be done in software IMHO
[07:32] <DekaPink> Currently, I'm having another problem... I'm trying to run a game in Cedega, and it's telling me it can't work because my video card doesn't support pixel shaders v1.1, but the game works on my windows partition...
[07:32] <[Thorrn4] > what is vlc Amaranth?
[07:32] <crouton> DekaPink: maybe a drivers issue?
[07:32] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : the best media player for linux
[07:32] <chaitatp> crouton, what's that web?
[07:32] <delire> DekaPink: you need to install the proprietary drivers
[07:32] <nalioth> !restricted
[07:32] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:32] <Twitch> Delire: yeah like adjusting width and height
[07:32] <chaitatp> crouton, just for posting any file?
[07:32] <crouton> chaitatp: ubuntu.pastebin.com?
[07:32] <marjorie> Does anyone know if acx_pci is part of some package i can remove?
[07:32] <delire> DekaPink: DRI does not support pixel or vertex shaders
[07:32] <nalioth> megabit, see what ubotu said
[07:32] <chaitatp> crouton, yup
[07:32] <crouton> marjorie: you could try 'apt-cache search acx_pci'
[07:32] <delire> Twitch: as far as i'm aware, no
[07:32] <thoreauputic> sean_: pentium mmx is i586 - use a 386 kernel
[07:32] <Amaranth> [Thorrn4] : Use vlc for all videos except wmv, use xine for wmv, and use whatever music player you like and all your needs should be covered as far as media.
[07:33] <Twitch> delire: alright thanks man
[07:33] <delire> Twitch: is the situation bad? alot of screen missing?
[07:33] <sean_> thanks thorapeautic - so there is nothing that will be faster than the default kernel? Ok
[07:33] <delire> DekaPink: what card?
[07:33] <chaitatp> crouton, interesting
[07:33] <chaitatp> crouton, thank you
[07:33] <chaitatp> crouton, have to go now i will try more tomorrow
[07:33] <chaitatp> bye
[07:33] <marjorie>
[07:33] <crouton> chaitatp: no problem, cya
[07:33] <DekaPink> delire: Darn... Uh... Whatsit... I believe it's an ATI all-in-wonder radeon 8500
[07:33] <reka> sean_: hmm, not sure.  but i'd assume if your cpu isn't > p2 there isn't going to be much gain in enabling MMX anyway.
[07:33] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[07:33] <raDeon> WHO
[07:33] <[Thorrn4] > how do u use apt-get...I forgot
[07:34] <raDeon> WHAT DO YOU WANT
[07:34] <raDeon> SPEAK UP NOW
[07:34] <thoreauputic> sean_: on that box, no. You wouldn't see much difference anyway
[07:34] <delire> DekaPink: you need to install the proprietary ATI driver, yes
[07:34] <crouton> lol
[07:34] <crouton> delire: Inside cedega?
[07:34] <megabit> nalioth, Thanks
[07:34] <Amaranth> raDeon: Either calm down or change your nick to something that isn't a video card.
[07:34] <delire> crouton: no, just install the proprietary driver with proprietary opengl spec that supports pixel and vertex shaders (GLSL)
[07:34] <DekaPink> Thanks, delire. :)
[07:34] <crouton> delire: ah.
[07:35] <crouton> I'm thinking VMWare-esque.
[07:35] <marjorie> Crouton: Yeah i tried it comes up with nothing, which makes me think there is still some part of it conflicting with ndiswrapper
[07:35] <delire> DekaPink: i believe there is an ubuntu guide for doing this, though i compile the driver the ATI way.
[07:35] <DekaPink> Thank you. :D
[07:35] <delire> no problem
[07:35] <noggin> aight, i think xfce is installed :)  Gonna go see if I can figure out how to change from Gnome to it
[07:35] <reka> !fglrxinstall
[07:35] <ubotu> [fglrxinstall]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[07:35] <delire> thanks reka ;)
[07:35] <Amaranth> delire: You enjoy recompiling the driver on every kernel update?
[07:36] <pablo_> ok thanx reka i booted and it just worked fine but just for the onboard audio chip , have to work it out for the soundblaster.
[07:36] <delire> Amaranth: i have a script that compiles all third-party drivers for me
[07:36] <reka> loving this bot :-)
[07:36] <delire> Amaranth: and anyway, i upgrade my kernel every 6 months
[07:36] <delire> reka: yeah, about time ;)
[07:36] <napsy> Whitch package I have to install to get make-kpkg ?
[07:36] <IIIEars> delire - Would you be willing to submit it to the wiki?
[07:36] <delire> IIIEars: the compile howto?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> napsy: kernel-package , from memory
[07:37] <delire> or the script..
[07:37] <reka> pablo_: np
[07:37] <sean_> Who would like to recommend a WM for a slooow machine to me? I have looked at the following - xfce, seems the best choice, not super fast. icewm, super fast but too old school for my users. Fluxbox, didn't work. WindowMaker - way too confusing for my users. Any others worth a try?
[07:38] <delire> sean_: openbox or wmi.modprobe.de
[07:38] <crouton> sean_: Why didn't fluxbox work?
[07:38] <delire> sean_: openbox will work with gnome and kde
[07:38] <marjorie> Is there a command i can use to see if some module is accessing a paticular device?
[07:38] <BlackShuc1> what are the equivalent commands of Gentoo's rc-update and rc-status?
[07:38] <delire> no idea, never used gentoo
[07:38] <sean_> crouton - no idea, I log in to fluxbox and it hangs, I have to restart X
[07:38] <crouton> BlackShuc1: Not sure that there is an equivalent
[07:38] <nalioth> sean_: try other *box WMs
[07:38] <BlackShuc1> I want to stop gdm automatically starting at boot.  I am only really familar with the rc commands
[07:39] <delire> though sounds like update-rc.d
[07:39] <Twitch> anyone play any mud games for linux?
[07:39] <dahz>  uncomment the ''universe'' repository
[07:39] <dahz> does this mean enabling it?
[07:39] <Dull4o4> hey, if i add an entry for my usb pen in fstab. will it then get auto mounted on boot??
[07:39] <thoreauputic> dahz: yes
[07:39] <reka> !repositories
[07:39] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:39] <crouton> dahz yes
[07:39] <sean_> all - looking at openbox
[07:39] <dahz> cool
[07:39] <synd> why does xchat draw a red line across?
[07:39] <crouton> Dull4o4: probably
[07:39] <synd> i cant figure out why its doign it
[07:40] <delire> sean_: add 'exec openbox' to your ~/.xinitrc
[07:40] <reka> synd: screenshot?
[07:40] <Dull4o4> crouton, because i cant mount it from gnome... it says its not found in fstab or mtab...
[07:40] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: do you still need help with that?
[07:40] <delire> Dull4o4: what is the /etc/fstab line
[07:40] <crouton> Dull4o4: type 'dmesg' and see if it shows a new device
[07:41] <marjorie> Is there a command i can use to see if some module is accessing a paticular device?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> BlackShuc1: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change it to "false"
[07:41] <BlackShuc1> hmm, seems  update-rc.d is what I need
[07:41] <delire> BlackShuc1: cool
[07:41] <reka> synd: mind compressing it?  i'm only on dialup :-)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> BlackShuc1: the edit above will also do it
[07:41] <synd> reka, ah ok
[07:41] <BlackShuc1> though nowhere near as friendly as the system I am used to...
[07:41] <BlackShuc1> :-(
[07:42] <reka> synd: http://tinypic.com/
[07:42] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: I made it such that runlevel 2 is without gdm and runlevel 3 is with gdm
[07:42] <Dull4o4> delire, i haven't added it yet.. but it would look like -> dev/sda1    /mnt/usb   vfat   defaults    0   0
[07:42] <reka> synd: so other people can see it
[07:42] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: so I can set the default runlevel to 2, and 'telinit 3' if I want gdm
[07:42] <delire> BlackShuc1: my advice. cd into the /etc/init.d directory then 'update-rc.d defaults 80'
[07:42] <Dull4o4> crouton, yeah i can see it, and mount it manually though...
[07:42] <delire> BlackShuc1: sorry 'update-rc.d yourscript defaults 80'
[07:42] <BlackShuc1> Gentoo has a very nice way of controlling runlevels.  I don't think it's theirs, I think it came from some other distro...  It's a shame nobody can agree on a common standard, as until that happens, Linux Desktop is still going to be minor league..
[07:42] <crouton> Dull4o4: So you *want* to have it automounted on boot?
[07:43] <synd> reka, http://tinypic.com/5n84tu
[07:43] <delire> BlackShuc1: bah, runlevel control in Linux is great. man runlevel
[07:43] <Dull4o4> crouton, no i want to just double click it's icon to get it mounted
[07:43] <DekaPink> How do I check to see what version of Xfree86 Ubuntu has?
[07:43] <thoreauputic> DekaPink: X -version
[07:44] <crouton> DekaPink: I think they've moved to Xorg, not Xfree86
[07:44] <Dull4o4> DekaPink, ubuntu uses xorg
[07:44] <delire> or XFree86 --version
[07:44] <thoreauputic> DekaPink: and it's Xorg now on Hoary
[07:44] <zenrox> yes xorg in hoary
[07:44] <delire> s/--version/-version
[07:44] <synd> reka, you can barely see it :/
[07:44] <crouton> Dull4o4: I think that's a hotplug thing, isn't it?
[07:45] <dooglus> BlackShuc1: there's a nice program called 'sysv-rc-conf' which edits the contents of each runlevel
[07:45] <reka> synd: :-) try changing the marker line colour in settings->prefs.  join #xchat if that doesn't fix it adn ask there.
[07:45] <Dull4o4> crouton, yeah but it works if i mount it from command line, then i can open it with nautilus...
[07:45] <pepsi> is breezy less broken yet?
[07:45] <crouton> Dull4o4: I just inserted my USB stick, and it showed up on desktop and popped open a window
[07:45] <nalioth> synd: the red line is telling you something
[07:45] <crouton> base install
[07:45] <delire> BlackShuc1: have you looked at 'init'?
[07:45] <nalioth> pepsi: when you see "Release Candidate" in its name
[07:46] <synd> nalioth, wtf?!
[07:46] <pepsi> nalioth, does X start yet?
[07:46] <Twitch> I'm looking for some help installing a new new Mud game I just got
[07:46] <BlackShuc1> thanks.  Installing sysv-rc-conf now...
[07:46] <reka> hehe, nalioth it is?
[07:46] <Dull4o4> crouton, hm... ok
[07:46] <delire> Twitch: what format is the game in. what is it called?
[07:47] <Twitch> delire: its called circlemud its a tar.gz, that i've extracted now it has some .sh files
[07:47] <nalioth> pepsi: don't know. i dont use breezy
[07:47] <pepsi> oh
[07:47] <keffo> how teh hell do i empty my trash ;<
[07:47] <keffo> not working
[07:47] <delire> Twitch: *.sh files are shell scripts. to run them just 'sh file.sh'
[07:47] <nalioth> synd: the red line is telling you something (as a highlighter to bring the humans attention somewhere)
[07:48] <Twitch> Delire: thank you sir
[07:48] <delire> Twitch: no
[07:48] <delire> .. problem
[07:48] <crouton> Dull4o4: I don't have any USB specific settings in my /etc/fstab
[07:48] <reka> keffo: how are you emptying it?
[07:48] <dooglus> I guess he switched to runlevel 2...
[07:48] <Twitch> delire: no?
[07:48] <Dull4o4> crouton, can you paste your fstab in a pm?
[07:49] <keffo> i got some "rooted" files in it :<
[07:49] <keffo> if you say so..
[07:49] <crouton> Dull4o4: There's nothing there, honestly.  It's a fresh install /etc/fstab
[07:49] <keffo> and ill tried rm -rf /home/keffo/.Trash/
[07:49] <keffo> doesnt work
[07:49] <keffo> still there
[07:49] <Twitch> delire: haha k
[07:49] <Dull4o4> crouton, might be because i have dosfs on my usb memory
[07:49] <nalioth> keffo: get into your .Trash folder and use the sudo
[07:49] <reka> keffo: gksudo nautilus /home/keffo/.Trash/
[07:49] <crouton> Dull4o4: Thought you said you were using vfat
[07:50] <dooglus> how do you go from one release of ubuntu to the next one?
[07:50] <Dull4o4> crouton, yeah i meant that.. fat16 i think is on it... or just fat, not sure
[07:50] <dooglus> can you do it without downloading a .iso?  like using apt-get or something?
[07:50] <reka> apt-get dist-upgrade iirc
[07:50] <crouton> Dull4o4: vfat or msdos are common options, vfat is usually for fat32
[07:51] <dooglus> thanks reka
[07:51] <crouton> fat16 is oldschool DOS
[07:51] <reka> after changing your sources.lst
[07:51] <IIIEars> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:51] <dooglus> sure
[07:51] <nalioth> dooglus: you update your sources.list and update/upgrade
[07:51] <reka> what IIIEars said :-)
[07:51] <Dull4o4> crouton, its a tiny tiny usb mem, only 64MB so therefore i think it is fat16
[07:51] <IIIEars> be careful read the topic Breezy is NOT ready.
[07:51] <nalioth> dooglus: did you scope out the 'safe rm" thang?
[07:51] <dooglus> dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[07:51] <dooglus> nalioth: I took a look, but couldn't find any source code
[07:51] <keffo> reka, ok?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> dooglus: dist-upgrade
[07:51] <keffo> nothing special
[07:51] <nalioth> dooglus: dist
[07:51] <Dull4o4> dooglus, man apt-get
[07:51] <crouton> Dull4o4: When you manually mount it, what filesystem do you use?   I've never come across that before, in all my years of sedding!
[07:53] <thoreauputic> keffo: try ls -al in the .Trash dir
[07:53] <crouton> Dull4o4: So what's your /etc/fstab line again for the USB?
[07:53] <keffo> drwx------   2 keffo keffo   48 2005-06-04 19:52 .
[07:53] <keffo> drwxr-xr-x  58 keffo keffo 2720 2005-06-04 19:48 ..
[07:53] <reka> keffo: are you running gnome?
[07:53] <keffo> i do
[07:53] <Dull4o4> crouton, i haven't added anything.... but /dev/sda1  /mnt/usb  vfat  defaults  0  0
[07:53] <nalioth> keffo: there are (on my machine) 3 different trash locations
[07:53] <reka> killall gnome-panel
[07:54] <crouton> Dull4o4: Mine showed up on /media/usbdisk, just FYI
[07:54] <keffo> any suggestion what i should do?
[07:54] <IIIEars> << - (beads of sweat form on brow man sed again> yikes!
[07:54] <Dull4o4> crouton, oh.. well, i made my own dir :)
[07:54] <Dull4o4> crouton, used to have it there :)
[07:54] <nalioth> keffo: look in ~/.local/share/Trash/
[07:55] <nalioth> keffo: do you have any other mounted partitions?
[07:55] <dooglus> IIIEars: 'sed -i' does the edit 'in place'.
[07:55] <keffo> nalioth, dont got anything there
[07:55] <keffo> not even a "trash"
[07:55] <IIIEars> Shh - i am reading man again. - lol
[07:55] <nalioth> keffo: do you have any other mounted partitions?
[07:55] <keffo> yes
[07:55] <crouton> keffo: If you right click on the Trash icon, does it show properties?
[07:55] <Dull4o4> crouton, i'll try it and see what happens
[07:55] <keffo> no
[07:56] <crouton> Dull4o4: Aight, shout out if it works
[07:56] <keffo> just empty trash and so
[07:56] <reka> keffo: if you're running gnome, killall gnome-panel.  sometimes the applet gets "confused"
[07:56] <nalioth> keffo: then "locate Trash" or trash
[07:56] <Dull4o4> crouton, ok later :)
[07:56] <keffo> yey
[07:56] <keffo> did it
[07:56] <crouton> General question: Are mp3 codecs included in the package 'w32codecs'?
[07:57] <keffo> it was /mnt/1-40gb/.Trash-keffo
[07:57] <reka> crouton: those are vidcodecs
[07:57] <keffo> thanks for help
[07:57] <nalioth> crouton: no
[07:57] <crouton> reka: OK, what's the standard mp3 codec package?
[07:57] <nalioth> crouton: there are several
[07:57] <IIIEars> crouton - not too sure but gstreamer mad has it.
[07:57] <nalioth> crouton: lame, liblame, gstreamer-mad
[07:57] <reka> !restrictedformats
[07:57] <ubotu> reka: Are you smoking crack?
[07:57] <Twitch> i am
[07:57] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[07:57] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:57] <IIIEars> !restrictedformats
[07:57] <nalioth> !restricted
[07:57] <crouton> nalioth: hmm. I'm looking for something to play MP3s as well as DivX .avi's with MP3 encoding.
[07:58] <thoreauputic> reka: get off the crack *g*
[07:58] <nalioth> crouton: see the bots response
[07:58] <reka> lol, aight bra.
[07:58] <crouton> gratsi
[07:59] <reka> how come the bot didn't tell IIIEars he was smoking crack :-(
[07:59] <reka> that's discrimination i say!
[07:59] <thoreauputic> reka: heheh
[07:59] <IIIEars> reka - ubotu has rigid syntax - he is really pretty dumb
[08:00] <johan_> i dont have mplayer-amd64 in my sources is that normal
[08:00] <reka> IIIEars: either that, or it has a delay for requests :-)
[08:00] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: hey, don't diss the bot , dude !
[08:01] <IIIEars> lol - okay i'll hold off a bit. - He certainly is a good idea.
[08:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:01] <nalioth> yes, having a bot saves answering lots of the same questions
[08:01] <crouton> looks like it's gstreamer
[08:02] <bigfoot> hello all. As a one-month old convert to Linux/Ubuntu, I'd like your advice on the tips I'm reading about on a webpage concerning customizing Linux for the desktop user (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308). To speed up the CPU, the article suggests reducing the tendency of the kernel to use the swap file. My current setting of swappiness (sudo cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness) is at 60. The writer lowered his number to 10 ($ sudo sysctl -w v
[08:02] <bigfoot> m.swappiness=10). Would this help me? Or does this depend on my CPU power and RAM amount? Thank you!
[08:02] <crouton> can't find lame..
[08:02] <nalioth> crouton: have you updated your repos?
[08:02] <Tezkah> swappiness at 10 helped make mine a little more responsive, bigfoot
[08:02] <crouton> nalioth: aye
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I read the article - it's pretty safe to try it
[08:02] <nalioth> hmm
[08:03] <IIIEars> bigfoot read the same article - good question.
[08:03] <nalioth> crouton: can you build from source?
[08:03] <crouton> apt-get install lame says not available
[08:03] <nova> man this is beyond anoying im still stuck on this mesa3d crap
[08:03] <nalioth> dooglus: that chinga site is not coming up now
[08:03] <Twitch> how do i open readme files in a console
[08:03] <thoreauputic> crouton: it's non-free - hence in multiverse
[08:03] <IIIEars> << thinks "swappiness" is a clever term. - grin
[08:03] <nalioth> dooglus: woulda snagged the src for ya then
[08:03] <delire> nova: what's up?
[08:03] <bigfoot> Tezkah, thoreauputic, IIIEars, thank you very much for your responses. just wondering: Why then is the default set at 60? If 10 is better than 60, then can we assume that 1 is even better?
[08:03] <crouton> thoreauputic: Hmm, thought i enable multiverse
[08:03] <reka> nova: are frame rates really that bad with the xorg driver?
[08:04] <nalioth> Twitch: cat <filname>|more
[08:04] <nova> been trying to get the rpm ati drivers from ati working
[08:04] <nova> reka its not just frame rates
[08:04] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: opinions vary on swappiness settings
[08:04] <nova> its also graphics screw ups under cedega
[08:04] <crouton> whoops.. guess not. no multiverse in sources.list
[08:04] <delire> nova: of course it does. why not grab the proprietary drivers?
[08:04] <nova> and fps for the one game i realy realy want working are just under playable
[08:04] <crouton> !multiverse
[08:04] <ubotu> crouton: I don't know
[08:04] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is made to run easily on nearly anything but a toaster or your microwave settings are generalised.
[08:04] <reka> nova: ask delire.  he's compiled the ATI drivers.
[08:04] <crouton> !universe
[08:04] <ubotu> crouton: No idea
[08:05] <xdamage> is there a linux guru around to help me with a quick (and stupid) wireless question?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it also depends on the use the box has - there's a trade off: his suggestion is for desktop use
[08:05] <nova> delire got time for some one on one help?
[08:05] <delire> well, i've compiled the ATI drivers as long as ATI has been making drivers for Linux
[08:05] <delire> nova: sure.
[08:05] <nova> ty
[08:05] <nova> temp chan or /msg
[08:05] <nalioth> crouton its !restricted
[08:05] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, regarding our last conversation about 24 hours ago (subject was on pink flashing lines when I play a movie file). Yes, restarting helped. But it's still an inconsistent solution, meaning that rebooting doesn't seem to always help.layer
[08:06] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, what is the trade off? what do i lose in setting my desktop pc from 60 to 10?
[08:06] <crouton> nalioth: Sure, but people will want to know about the 'universe' and 'multiverse' repositories
[08:06] <delire> nova: here's ok. first grab the kernel-headers and kernel-source. eg apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[08:06] <nova> got all that
[08:06] <IIIEars> uubigfoot if you have a lot of ram nothing.
[08:06] <delire> nova: cool. is it all unpacked in your /usr/src directory?
[08:06] <nova> i had the xorgs working
[08:06] <reka> yes i can peek in as well.
[08:06] <reka> :-)
[08:06] <delire> nova: ahah cool.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: not a lot: it mainly affest things like cron jobs running updatedb etc
[08:06] <nova> but
[08:06] <nova> i was getting stuff like this
[08:06] <thoreauputic> *affects
[08:06] <IIIEars> perl script over "U"se. - sheepish grin
[08:07] <crouton> Totem will use lame, yes?
[08:07] <nova> http://im.very.afraid.org/rubies
[08:07] <nalioth> crouton: thought those repos were in the restrictedformats wiki
[08:07] <bigfoot> so you mean i really won't see an increase in speed in changing swappiness from 60 to 10?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I'm experimenting with swappiness = 0
[08:07] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I don't see any huge differneces
[08:07] <nova> so i thought id give the ati drives a try
[08:07] <crouton> nalioth: Must have looked over them by mistake
[08:07] <nova> but im stuck on this damn mesa 3d stuff
[08:07] <delire> nova: ok grab the ati linux driver from http://ati.com for xorg.
[08:07] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Why is your name flashing now?
[08:08] <nova> done it
[08:08] <IIIEars> j/k
[08:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: a slight increase in responsiveness
[08:08] <nova> already aliened it as well
[08:08] <delire> nova: the screens are weird but cool.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: ?
[08:08] <delire> nova: did you compile them yourself?
[08:08] <nova> no i used rpm
[08:08] <johan_> whats the cmd for system monitor
[08:08] <bigfoot> IIIEars, if i have a lot of ram, i wouldn't see any difference? i have 256MB of ram... this is not considerd plenty, is it?
[08:08] <nova> with alien
[08:08] <IIIEars> just being silly - lol
[08:08] <ztonzy> delire, hello
[08:08] <delire> nova: ok cd into /lib/modules/fglrx
[08:08] <bigfoot> What are the advantages of keping swappiness at 60?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: 256 is pretty low these days
[08:09] <delire> nova: the rpm doesn't install the driver, just the sourcecode to build the driver
[08:09] <bigfoot> keping=keeping
[08:09] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I suggest you try it and see - it won't break anything
[08:09] <delire> ztonzy: hej
[08:09] <nova> k there
[08:10] <delire> nova: now 'cd build_mod && sh make.sh'
[08:10] <austin_> i have some dep packages from compiling my kernel i was wondering how i install them ... do i jut put them into /boot and point grub at them or can i do something cool with apt???
[08:10] <ztonzy> delire, hej hej :D
[08:10] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i guess i could try it, but what do you recommend if I do not notice any difference? Should i revert to 60, or keep at 10?
[08:10] <delire> ztonzy: well yes ;)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: I read a thread in the kernel maintainers list that couldn't even agree on swappiness ;-)
[08:10] <delire> nova: that will compile the driver.
[08:10] <delire> nova: then you'll need to install it once compiled. to do this, you'll need so 'cd .. && sh make_install.sh'.
[08:11] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you don't feel a differnce, just revert, yes
[08:12] <dooglus> bigfoot: if you don't notice any difference then it doesn't matter what you do, really...
[08:12] <crouton> OK, that was weird.
[08:12] <delire> nova: then you'll need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to reflect 'fglrx' under Driver in the Device section.
[08:12] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, if i only do "$ sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 " and do _not_ do "vm.swappiness=10 to /etc/sysctl.conf", does this mean that the change is only good for the current session?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: until a reboot, yes
[08:12] <bigfoot> dooglus, thank you for your message. Okay.
[08:12] <crouton> X just went out of scan range, had to shut down the comp. wacky.
[08:12] <nalioth> crouton: did you get that info?
[08:12] <crouton> nalioth:  missed whatever you said after !restricted
[08:12] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it really isn't that big a deal
[08:13] <bigfoot> what isn't a big deal, thoreauputic ? changing swappiness level?
[08:13] <nova> ok all done
[08:13] <nova> other than xorg conf
[08:13] <delire> nova: then 'sudo echo fglrx > /etc/modules && sudo rmmod ati && sudo modprobe fglrx'. restart and you're done.
[08:13] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: yes
[08:13] <delire> nova: you don't have one?
[08:13] <mikl> why doesn't apache read my .htaccess file?
[08:13] <klaym> does anyone here run 'gepolabo' ?
[08:13] <delire> nova: ahah, sorry ;)
[08:14] <delire> nova: reading too many channels at the same time
[08:14] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: have a play with it (I did) - but don't expect major performance gains
[08:14] <austin_> i have some dep packages from compiling my kernel i was wondering how i install them ... do i jut put them into /boot and point grub at them or can i do something cool with apt???
[08:14] <nova> lol
[08:14] <bigfoot> How about the next advice in the article: Freeing more memory by disabling (unused) virtual terminals? Would doing so be helpful, or at least more helpful than changing swappiness levels?
[08:15] <nova> on the sudo echo fglrx > /etc/modules i get permision denied
[08:15] <nova> nova@ubuntu:/etc$ sudo echo fglrx > /etc/modules
[08:15] <nova> bash: /etc/modules: Permission denied
[08:15] <delire> bigfoot: barely...
[08:15] <delire> nova: ok as root. just make sure 'fglrx' is listed in that file
[08:16] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: those tty s just sit there doing nothing - they don't chew major resources (just a bit of ram I guess)
[08:16] <crouton> hmm.. so Totem isn't playing my DivX files, even though I installed 'w32codecs' and 'lame'... any ideas?
[08:16] <delire> nova: 'echo' will send the following text to the file using the redirection '>'
[08:16] <Guybrush|Numb> is it a problem of mine, or launchpad.ubuntu.com is PAINFULLY, EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOW ?
[08:16] <delire> Guybrush|Numb: hehe
[08:16] <Chetic> Damn! just my luck :(
[08:16] <klaym> where can I manage my 'gnome applets' ? such as panel applets
[08:16] <nova> root@ubuntu:/home/nova # sudo rmmod ati
[08:16] <nova> ERROR: Module ati does not exist in /proc/modules
[08:16] <IIIEars> wow - swappiness me a new computer - that really is fast for menus.
[08:16] <bigfoot> what's the advantage of having 6 terminals, anyway? All I need is GUI and one terminal, right? or am i not seeing the value of having numerous terminals/ttys?
[08:16] <Chetic> Does Ubuntu have an app for automatically retreiving and installing apps/deps?
[08:17] <Guybrush|Numb> i' desperately trying to use rosetta to translate BMP
[08:17] <delire> nova: that's good news. it's not loaded anyway.
[08:17] <Guybrush|Numb> but it takes minutes to get a page :-|
[08:17] <vanberge> hey guys... im new to ubuntu, new to gnome... is there  a tool for editing the gnome menu?
[08:17] <bigfoot> IIIEars, what did you say? I'm not sure I understand: "swappiness me a computer"...
[08:17] <nova> ok o mod probe restart done?
[08:17] <delire> nova: alright. sounds like you're close to done.
[08:17] <nalioth> bigfoot: you can log in from other putes in your home network
[08:17] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it kind of depends how you like to work
[08:17] <reka> crouton: using totem-xine?
[08:17] <delire> nova: yep. give it a shot.
[08:17] <nalioth> bigfoot: and use the linux box for multiple things at once (with multiple users)
[08:17] <bigfoot> nalioth, i have no other computers. It's only one computer.
[08:17] <crouton> reka: nope, just Totem installed duing CD install
[08:17] <nova> no errors at least
[08:17] <nova> brb
[08:17] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic you mean an update agent =
[08:18] <bigfoot> nalioth, and only one user... me!
[08:18] <Guybrush|Numb> s/=/?/g
[08:18] <reka> crouton: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:18] <IIIEars> It's faster than a 2.9g machine - 1.5g celeron with 380mbs ram.
[08:18] <delire> nova: sure, good. 'lsmod' will tell you if it's actually loaded though
[08:18] <nalioth> bigfoot: then you have less need for the xtra logins
[08:18] <nalioth> bigfoot: there are 5 puters here
[08:18] <delire> oh.. too late
[08:18] <Chetic> Guybrush|Numb, Anything that installs stuff for me automatically.. like gentoo has emerge
[08:18] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic: Ubuntu has apt-get
[08:18] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: it's really your call: if you don't have a need for them, disable them by all means
[08:18] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic: and it's frontend synaptic
[08:18] <Chetic> Guybrush|Numb, ooh my favorite :) thanks
[08:19] <reka> crouton: if they still don't working after switching to the xine backend.  try these instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[08:19] <bigfoot> thoreauputic,  how does a one-user one-computer kind of person make good use of numerous terminals?
[08:19] <delire> Chetic: apt-cache search <keyword>, apt-cache show <pacakgename>, apt-get update, apt-get install <pacakgename>, apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:19] <crouton> reka: video works now, got to work on audio
[08:19] <Guybrush|Numb> Chetic: you welcome. Btw ubuntu is a debian derivative and gets most of its strengths
[08:19] <reka> crouton: what problems?
[08:19] <crouton> reka: just no sound
[08:20] <reka> running gnome?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: keep at least one tty though - it's useful in emergencies. Some people like to have a number operating and switch between them , in answer to the other question
[08:20] <Tolstoy> when I get an error like "orinoco_usb: probe of 1-3:1.0 failed with error -14", how do I find out what -14 means?
[08:20] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: it's called human multitasking
[08:20] <klaym> which has bigger repositories: gentoo emerge or apt ?
[08:20] <IIIEars> apt has 16,000 debian apps.
[08:20] <bigfoot> By the way, how can i print screen the media-playing program? When I do, and the screen is flickering (with the pink/purple horizontal lines), all i get is a blank blue screen.
[08:20] <delire> klaym: debian has larger repositories on package count
[08:20] <nova> same mesa3d shows in glxinfo
[08:20] <nova> glrxinfo even
[08:20] <Guybrush|Numb> klaym: debian has around 10000 packages ready (i believe). Don't know about gentoo
[08:20] <delire> nova: ok purge it all.
[08:20] <nova> how?
[08:21] <klaym> ok thx. Just made sure I'm on the right side ;)
[08:21] <delire> nova: dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:21] <delire> nova: then purge anything with 'ii'
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: more like 16 000 actually
[08:21] <klaym> I'm searching for a stock market analysing program but I can't find any
[08:21] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, "human multitasking"? what do you mean? One human doing multiple tasks? or many humans doing multiple tasks?
[08:21] <Chetic> Is there any way for a windows-harassed poor man to get Ubuntu right freakin' now?
[08:21] <IIIEars> I wonder if anyone -really- knows pretty difficul to be sure.
[08:21] <nova> how to purge ii?
[08:22] <nova> grep -ii?
[08:22] <delire> nova: sorry.. dpkg -P packagename
[08:22] <Guybrush|Numb> thoreauputic: Hi, happy to hear you again. Thanks for the correction :)
[08:22] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: the first one you said
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: :)
[08:22] <delire> nova: back in five. phone
[08:22] <nova> k
[08:22] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: like starting a kernel compile on tty1 and working on 2,3 etc
[08:22] <crouton> reka:  I'm downloading the mplayer-essential-codec package.. hopefully that'll get it to work.
[08:23] <nalioth> Chetic: local linux users group?
[08:23] <IIIEars> ! download
[08:23] <ubotu> well, download is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/disks-i386 and you need these in order to install: linux, loadlin.exe, install.bat, resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin, rawrite.exe, root.bin and base2_1.tgz
[08:23] <reka> if that doesn't work:
[08:23] <reka> !fixsound
[08:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[08:23] <synd> !synd
[08:23] <ubotu> from memory, synd is i love you synd
[08:23] <thoreauputic> wow that factoid is ancient...
[08:23] <Chetic> nalioth, sorry I don't follow..
[08:23] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, isn't having numerous VirtualTerminals the same as having one terminal console running with multiple tabs? I'm sorry... I don't know coz I've never used the other Virtual Terminals.
[08:23] <IIIEars> ach! http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:23] <crimsun> bigfoot: in essence, yes
[08:23] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, "kernel compile" is stuff that developers do, right?
[08:24] <nalioth> Chetic:  a linux users group is a group of people that meet localy and discuss/assist with linux
[08:24] <reka> thoreauputic: which one?
[08:24] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: yes, same stuff, without X11 :)
[08:24] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: kernel compile = lenghty developer stuff
[08:24] <thoreauputic> reka: the downloads one IIIEars invoked a minute ago
[08:24] <nalioth> Chetic: iow, you might go  around the corner and pick up an ubuntu disk
[08:24] <thoreauputic> reka: refers to Debian Slink!
[08:24] <bigfoot> wow, you guys are so knowledgeable!
[08:24] <jldugger> im probably the hundredth person to ask, but is breezy horribly broken atm?
[08:24] <IIIEars> !downloads
[08:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, downloads is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:25] <IIIEars> !Downloads
[08:25] <ubotu> somebody said downloads was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:25] <reka> hahaha ... i don't get it
[08:25] <Chetic> nalioth, I'm sorry but I live 15 kilometres outside of a small city with 1 computer store.. they have red hat and mandrake :\
[08:25] <reka> jldugger: it's unstable
[08:25] <nern> hey anybody ever tried vidalinux
[08:25] <crouton> dagnabbit... totem-xine is displaying the video but no audio.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: ah, you don't like archaelogy?
[08:25] <jldugger> reka, unstable has different meanings to different people
[08:25] <ompaul> thoreauputic, time does not count - 3 disks failed
[08:25] <priest> where do i check which webcams works in ubuntu?
[08:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, several failures
[08:26] <reka> jldugger: i guess.  i was regurgitating what someone else said :-)
[08:26] <bigfoot> how can I print screen when of my media player as it's playing  a moviefile? Coz when I do, and the screen (of the window) is flickering, the screenshot/printscreen gets a blue sceen only. Thank you.
[08:26] <IIIEars> Gee-z - erm - yes but i am a poor harassed former windows user only recently converted. - grin
[08:26] <Scorpinf> when i try to turn dma, "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc" i get
[08:26] <Scorpinf> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:26] <Scorpinf>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:26] <Scorpinf>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:26] <Scorpinf> how do i fix this ?
[08:26] <delire> nova: back
[08:26] <crouton> aha!
[08:27] <nova> same
[08:27] <crouton> reka:  There's no proprietary plugins tab in Totem-xine/preferences..
[08:27] <delire> nova: same what?
[08:27] <scoon> anyone here using gcc 4.0 ?
[08:27] <nova> back to heheh
[08:27] <scoon> if so, any problems ?
[08:27] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: not easy, try setting video driver in media player to x11
[08:27] <crimsun> not so many problems with gcc4
[08:27] <nova> wondering if maybe i should go back to default drivers
[08:27] <delire> Scorpinf: edit /etc/hdparm.conf for best results
[08:27] <Guybrush|Numb> which media player are you using ?
[08:27] <scoon> crimsun, but have you had any ?
[08:27] <jldugger> reka, well, people certainly appear to have a differing opinion on what stable means. some call it "without bugs" and others say "no signficant changes to software"
[08:28] <nova> with orig config and start copmpletly over
[08:28] <reka> crouton: i have one. :-/
[08:28] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb,  RE: "this setting": you mean going to gstreamer-properties?
[08:28] <delire> nova: not necessary i think
[08:28] <crimsun> scoon: no. g++4 is another story altogether
[08:28] <scoon> crimsun, anyway, i use the cko patchset w/ me kernel and wanted to check in if anyone has been kerneling with gcc 4.0
[08:28] <delire> nova: so.. you've purged all the mesa stuff and restarted X?
[08:28] <jldugger> hey, ive got an extra drive I'm using reiserfs on. how do I get Ubuntu to mount it on boot?
[08:28] <nova> not yet was waiting for you
[08:28] <crimsun> scoon: my kernels are compiled with gcc3.4
[08:28] <nova> you mentioned purging ii to
[08:28] <IIIEars> Hello crimsun!
[08:28] <Chetic> Is there no FTP server with Ubuntu on it?
[08:28] <crimsun> 'lo IIIEars
[08:29] <delire> nova: no "ii" just indicated that a package is installed
[08:29] <reka> jldugger: well, i'd assume just by looking at the channel topic, if you're using breezy, you'd expect to run into problems.
[08:29] <Guybrush|Numb> wait i check myself
[08:29] <crimsun> Chetic: there are lots
[08:29] <scoon> crimsun, actually, are the ubuntu binaries going to start to be compiled using gcc 4.0 ?  if not anyone know ?
[08:29] <nova> ok i ran this sudo dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:29] <nova> so restart x now?
[08:29] <Twitch> how do i remove an entire directory and its contents?
[08:29] <jldugger> reka, fair enough. i was just curious if something was known to be broken. guess not.
[08:29] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: which playter are you using ?
[08:29] <Chetic> crimsun, please direct me to one..
[08:29] <crouton> rm -rf /directory
[08:29] <crimsun> scoon: the breezy packages are compiled with gcc4. The kernel is still compiled with gcc3.4.
[08:29] <IIIEars> Twitch rm -r
[08:29] <crimsun> Chetic: check a mirror on the download page
[08:29] <Scorpinf> delire, in the hdparm.conf file i already have #/dev/hdc {
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #	mult_sect_io = 16
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #	write_cache = off
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #	dma = on
[08:29] <Scorpinf> #}
[08:29] <crouton> lol. what timing
[08:29] <delire> nova: nova: which packages were returned after that command with "ii" next to them?
[08:29] <Scorpinf> but still no DMA
[08:30] <delire> nova: purge all those packages.
[08:30] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, i tried various, such as xine, totem, vtk.
[08:30] <crimsun> scoon: the g++4 transition is ongoing
[08:30] <nova> nova@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep mesa
[08:30] <nova> ii  xlibmesa-dri   6.8.2-10       Mesa 3D graphics library modules [X.Org]
[08:30] <nova> ii  xlibmesa-gl    6.8.2-10       Mesa 3D graphics library [X.Org]
[08:30] <nova> ii  xlibmesa-glu   6.8.2-10       Mesa OpenGL utility library [X.Org]
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> use xine, go to video settings
[08:30] <jldugger> reka, what crimsun said seems pretty relevant
[08:30] <delire> Scorpinf: ok, if /etc/hdparm.conf is set correctly, as it appears, then your disk probably doesn
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> (you must enable "Master of the known universe" as interface difficulty level)
[08:30] <delire> 't support it
[08:30] <nemik> how can i encode strings to proper URLs in shell script to parse them to PHP?
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> and set video driver to x11
[08:30] <scoon> crimsun, yeah i see that breezy is that transition time.
[08:30] <delire> nova: dpkg -P all those packages
[08:30] <reka> jldugger: i must inform you i am not a guru. :-)
[08:30] <Guybrush|Numb> then try again the screenshot thing
[08:30] <Scorpinf> delire, in winXp it works fine
[08:31] <delire> Scorpinf: how do you know windows eXPerience is using DMA?
[08:31] <Guybrush|Numb> bigfoot: let me know
[08:31] <jldugger> seriously though, reiserfs on boot doesn't seem to work. i've added to fstab and i get nothing
[08:31] <delire> Scorpinf: i know very little about windows, so cannot comment - to be fair.
[08:31] <crimsun> Scorpinf: but that section you pasted is commented out, heh.
[08:31] <reka> Scorpinf: what are you trying to enable dma on?
[08:31] <bigfoot> Guybrush|Numb, I'm sorry, but, let you know what? I
[08:32] <nova> cant purge
[08:32] <Scorpinf> i checked, and it burns the max speed in the discs in Win XP not in Linux
[08:32] <delire> nova: what is the error? put all in the same list
[08:32] <Scorpinf> reka: my ide dvdr burned NEC-3500A
[08:32] <nova> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of xlibmesa-dri  x-window-system-core depends on xlibmesa-dri
[08:32] <nova> on 2 lines
[08:32] <snowblink> Hi, is it okay to clear out /var/cache/apt?
[08:32] <delire> Scorpinf: use http://google.com/linux to look for the error for possible solutions to this problem
[08:32] <delire> nova: is you purge all at the same time it should work
[08:33] <ompaul> ohh shoot - tell me this if there is an answer ubuntu hoary live cd is the only working o/s I have atm - ( I can get plenty of others with a short drive) can I burn a CD with it
[08:33] <nova> k
[08:33] <Scorpinf> crimsum: commented out, should i remove the # ??
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: disabling paranoia can speed things up (at the expense of thorough checking)
[08:33] <crimsun> snowblink: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:33] <crimsun> Scorpinf: yes
[08:33] <mof> bye
[08:33] <delire> nova: ahah.. it's more complex isn't it
[08:34] <Scorpinf> ok ill try that tnx
[08:34] <snowblink> crimsun: cheers. So this just dumps debs that are already installed?
[08:34] <crimsun> ompaul: if you have two cdroms, yes
[08:34] <nova> now i get this pi  xlibmesa-dri   6.8.2-10       Mesa 3D graphics library modules [X.Org]
[08:34] <crimsun> ompaul: the livecd obviously locks one cdrom
[08:34] <ompaul> crimsun, I do, what app do you suggest?
[08:34] <jldugger> if k3b is installed, its top notch
[08:34] <jldugger> for burning
[08:34] <delire> nova: did they all purge?
[08:34] <ompaul> jldugger, I am using a liveCD
[08:34] <jldugger> i dont use the liveCD though
[08:34] <delire> nova: only "ii" means installed
[08:34] <ompaul> :)
[08:34] <nova> there al marked that
[08:35] <IIIEars> gnomebaker is also a good gui
[08:35] <jldugger> so i dont know whats on it
[08:35] <delire> nova:"pi" or "ii"?
[08:35] <nova> and says python2.4-opengl depends on xlibmesa-glu | libglu1; however:
[08:35] <nova>   Package xlibmesa-glu is to be removed.
[08:35] <nova> pi
[08:35] <kuap> hi everyone
[08:35] <ompaul> IIIEars, gnomebaker is not on the CD :)
[08:35] <nova> so restart x now or?
[08:36] <crimsun> ompaul: you can apt-get install stuff using the livecd, too
[08:36] <IIIEars> Ah, Okay - Thanks. Is k3b on the ubuntu CD?
[08:36] <delire> nova: but no xlibmesa packages have "ii" next to them now.. if so then yes, restart X
[08:36] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: no
[08:36] <scoon> hey crimsun, just outta curious, how did you set up g++ 3.4 ?
[08:36] <ompaulAFK> crimsun, 256megs ram a tad tight
[08:36] <Scorpinf> crimsun: is   /dev/discs/disc0/disc   the harddrive, i use SATA discs at HD ??
[08:36] <jldugger> i know that nautilus can burn stuff to cd now, but im not sure if it supports ISOs
[08:36] <nova> brb i hope heh
[08:36] <crimsun> ompaulAFK: very.
[08:36] <ompaulAFK> I'll ring a mate and get them to burn me a CD
[08:36] <crimsun> scoon: it's installable in Hoary
[08:36] <thoreauputic> jldugger: it does - just right click the ISO and burn
[08:37] <ompaulAFK> (and hope they get a better copy)
[08:37] <crimsun> scoon: gcc-3.4-base, g++-3.4, ...
[08:37] <ompaulAFK> biab
[08:37] <jldugger> well then ompaul should be set with just that
[08:38] <crouton> nalioth: How would I compile totem-xine from src?
[08:38] <nova> blasted thing
[08:38] <delire> nova: ok 'lsmod | grep fglrx' to see if the driver is loaded
[08:38] <vanberge> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[08:38] <vanberge> bummer
[08:38] <delire> nova: still using mesa?
[08:38] <crimsun> crouton: (you need to enable universe first): sudo apt-get build-dep totem-xine && sudo apt-get -b source totem-xine
[08:39] <nova> yeh so says fglrx
[08:39] <nova> nova@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:39] <nova> fglrx                 237312  0
[08:39] <thoreauputic> vanberge: libdvdcss2 needed
[08:39] <crouton> crimsun: aight
[08:39] <delire> nova: cool. but still says mesa
[08:39] <delire> nova: glxinfo
[08:39] <nova> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org