[00:00] <ChrisDruif> And for the headphones you might be able to use this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1654125
[00:05] <ChrisDruif> I hope you'll manage from here, I've no more time to spare I'm afraid yax51. Maybe someone else can help you if you've got further questions :)
[00:05] <yax51> ChrisDruif: thanks!!
[00:05] <ChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[00:34] <emer> what does IRC stand for
[00:36] <emer> can some on help me
[00:36] <emer> or just say something
[00:36] <emer> im really confused
[00:36] <ChrisDruif> Internet Relay Channel I believe...
[00:36] <ChrisDruif> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irc
[00:36] <emer> ok thanks
[00:37] <emer> sorry i just joined this and download XChat
[00:37] <emer> so im a little lost lol
[00:37] <JackyAlcine> ChrisDruif: I thought it was Chat.
[00:37] <ChrisDruif> It's alright :)
[00:37] <JackyAlcine> emer: Welcome. :D
[00:37] <ChrisDruif> According to Wikipedia I'm right :)
[00:37] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[00:37] <ChrisDruif> Oops....not :P
[00:38]  * JackyAlcine SCORE! :D
[00:38] <ChrisDruif> Alright...Internet Relay Chat O:-)
[00:38] <ChrisDruif> Anyways...he could read all about it on wikipedia :D
[00:53] <kaushal> Hi
[00:54] <kaushal> Is there a way to start services in specific order while booting ?For example
[00:54] <kaushal> I need the following services to be started in the below order
[00:54] <kaushal> 1)openvpn --> This should start first
[00:54] <kaushal> 2)networking --> This should start second
[00:54] <kaushal> 3)shorewall --> This should start third
[00:54] <kaushal> Please suugest/guide
[00:54] <JackyAlcine> kaushal: Booting? or logging on?
[00:54] <kaushal> suggest*
[00:54] <kaushal> Booting
[00:55] <JackyAlcine> hm. I'm not too sure, sounds like a upstart job to me.
[00:55] <kaushal> ok
[00:55] <JackyAlcine> You could make a .sh file and add it to the scheduler.
[00:55] <kaushal> Any examples please ?
[00:56] <yofel> erm, you can just add dependencies?
[00:56] <kaushal> yofel: are you referring to me ?
[00:56] <yofel> meaning for networking: 'start on started openvpn ...' where openvpn needs to be an upstart service too
[00:56] <yofel> kaushal: yes
[00:57] <kaushal> ok
[00:57] <kaushal> still not understood
[00:57] <yofel> kaushal: look at the startup files in /etc/init - everyone has a 'start on ' statement telling it when to start
[00:57] <yofel> kaushal: so you can tell the services to only start if the other one has already been started
[00:57] <duhw> Idk whats wrong with my computer I use ubuntu 10.10 and my screen just goes black and its unresponsive. what do i do?
[00:57] <kaushal> ah ok
[00:58] <kaushal> yofel: so how do i make use of upstart ?
[00:58] <kaushal> not sure i understand that
[00:59] <yofel> kaushal: why do you want to start openvpn before networking actually?
[00:59] <kaushal> since openvpn is configured in bridge mode
[00:59] <kaushal> and i want the interface br0 to be up
[01:00] <yofel> hm.... meh, openvpn still uses sys-v-init
[01:00] <yofel> this is a bit tricky then :S
[01:01] <kaushal> ok
[01:01] <kaushal> As JackyAlcine suggested ?
[01:01] <kaushal> make use of scheduler ?
[01:02] <yofel> you could try, but since networking is started by upstart I'm pretty sure it'll be started before openvpn
[01:02] <kaushal> or can i put that in /etc/rc.local ?
[01:02] <yofel> sure, but rc.local is run pretty late
[01:02] <kaushal> oh ok
[01:03] <kaushal> so how do i disable networking from upstart
[01:04] <yofel> modify /etc/init/networking.conf and probably network-manager.conf too (commenting the start on stuff out should be fine)
[01:04] <yofel> I'm not sure if anything depends on networking being up though
[01:04] <kaushal> ok
[01:04] <kaushal> what about putting it in .sh file and invoked by scheduler ?
[01:05] <kaushal> how is that done
[01:05] <yofel> no idea
[01:05] <kaushal> JackyAlcine: please suggest
[01:05] <kaushal> yofel: Help me understand about upstart and sys-v-init
[01:05] <kaushal> so I have 10.04
[01:06] <yofel> well, sys-v-init is what we used before karmic, with scripts in /etc/init.d/, upstart is what we use since then with config files in /etc/init
[01:06] <kaushal> ok
[01:07] <yofel> in sys-v-init you could define an order how services had to be started, in upstart you say what a service needs before it can be started
[01:07] <kaushal> great
[01:07] <yofel> upstart is faster because it can start things in parallel, but a bit harder to manage
[01:08] <kaushal> so on 10.04 is it upstart or sys-v-init ?
[01:08] <kaushal> I believe its both
[01:09] <yofel> mix, there are still scripts with sys-v-init, but upstart config files and sys-v-init script can't really talk to each other
[01:09] <yofel> so upstart will start it's services and at the same time start sys-v-init runlevel 2
[01:10] <kaushal> ok
[01:10] <kaushal> so how would i handle this specific issue ?
[01:11] <holstein> i think most folk just open the port in the firewall for VPN or SSH
[01:11] <holstein> and start everything at boot
[01:12] <kaushal> ok
[01:12] <kaushal> so can i disable sys-v-init ?
[01:12] <kaushal> if i can do it using upstart ?
[01:15] <kaushal> yofel: Thanks
[01:15] <kaushal> will try it out
[01:15] <yofel> well..
[01:15] <kaushal> holstein: Thanks you too
[01:16] <kaushal> yofel: yeah please suggest
[01:16] <yofel> you could disable the sys-v-init script and write an upstart config file and start openvpn there and then make networking depend on it, but I fear you'll have to look up how to do that yourself
[01:16] <yax51> ok, the headphone jack isn't working, I've scoured the forums, but havent found anything to help
[01:17] <yofel> I wonder though if you can't resolve this in some other way...
[01:17] <yax51> my mic doesn't want to work either.....
[01:17] <yax51> I don't know what else to do.....I've re-installed the drivers and everything, but nothing seems to have any effect
[01:26] <yax51> yay! go my headphone working again!now for the mic
[01:33] <yax51> WOOT WOOT!!!!
[01:34] <yax51> solved my audio issues...now, is there a way to add a command line to a program in such a way that I dont need to run it from the terminal everytime?
[01:34] <holstein> yax51: what command?
[01:34] <holstein> you could make a new launcher with the whole command in it
[01:34] <yax51> holstein: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so
[01:35] <yax51> to flip my cam
[01:35] <holstein> yax51: congrats by the way :)
[01:35] <yax51> holstein: thanks! Ive been trying for months to get my mic fixed
[01:37] <yax51> holstein so how do I get the command line working with the launcher?
[01:37] <holstein> i would just put the whole thing in a new launcher
[01:37] <holstein> wherever
[01:37] <holstein> on the desktop or in the menu or both
[01:38] <yax51> so I create a new launcher, and just add the command line I want, and hit ok?
[01:39] <holstein> in theory
[01:39] <holstein> test it
[01:39] <holstein> you can add whatever command you want to a launcher
[01:39] <holstein> i used to have one called alsa_fix ;)
[01:40] <yax51> hmmm its says it failed to execute child process
[01:41] <yax51> ok lets pretend I'm a noob, and walk through this step by step ;)
[01:41] <holstein> im not sure exactly what that command is or does
[01:41] <holstein> but its do-able
[01:41] <holstein> need some command line fu :)
[01:41] <yax51> it flips my cm so it'snot upside down
[01:41] <holstein> right
[01:41] <holstein> i mean, what its 'doing'
[01:41] <holstein> not the result ;)
[01:42] <holstein> i dont know what LD_PRELOAD is
[01:42] <holstein> .so is some kind of plugin right?
[01:43] <holstein> can you put that in some dir for the program?
[01:43] <holstein> some autoload dir?
[01:43] <yax51> I'm not sure either, but my guess is that its loading the v4l1compat.so
[01:43] <yax51> I could if I knew how
[01:43] <holstein> what app is it?
[01:44] <holstein> VLC ?
[01:44] <yax51> the app is skype
[01:44] <holstein> hmmm
[01:44] <holstein> so, you start skype, and then put that in the command line?
[01:45] <yax51> in the terminal I r:
[01:45] <yax51> run the command line as such
[01:45] <yax51> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[01:45] <holstein> right
[01:45] <emer> im trying to download ubuntu 10.10 netbook 1386 but my internet speed keeps slowing down dropping a .1 Kb everysecond
[01:45] <holstein> after you launch skype?
[01:45] <nit-wit> yax51, can you use the browse to get to user bin, or sbin thats probably where the launcher is.
[01:45] <holstein> nit-wit: i like that
[01:45] <holstein> yax51: ^^
[01:45] <emer> but everything else is at normal speed
[01:46] <nit-wit> holstein, heh ;
[01:46] <holstein> good call
[01:46] <holstein> nit-wit: o/
[01:46] <nit-wit> 0hols
[01:46] <holstein> emer: i would stop it
[01:46] <holstein> and try again
[01:46] <emer> ok
[01:46] <holstein> maybe you'll get one another mirrot
[01:46] <holstein> mirror*
[01:46] <holstein> UNLESS
[01:46] <nit-wit> holstein, trying to type and eat haggen daz is difficult,
[01:46] <holstein> you're almost done
[01:46] <holstein> then, just wait in out
[01:46] <holstein> nit-wit: hehe
[01:47] <emer> holstein: works, thank you im a newbie
[01:47] <holstein> emer: welcome :)
[01:48] <yax51> nit-wit: that doesn't seem to work either
[01:48] <holstein> maybe its because skype isnt running
[01:49] <yax51> but if I'm trying to add the command line to skype without having to open a terminal to do it, it shouldnt be running
[01:49] <nit-wit> yax51, is there a menu icon?
[01:49] <holstein> yax51: depends on when you run it in the terminal
[01:49] <holstein> is it after you launch skype?
[01:49] <holstein> or before?
[01:50] <yax51> before
[01:50] <holstein> hmmm
[01:50] <yax51> nit-wit: no
[01:50] <yax51> ok, so I right click on the desktop, and create new launcher, right?
[01:50] <holstein> thats where i would start
[01:51] <holstein> and in 'command' you put that command
[01:51] <yax51> ok, now type: application, application in terminal or location?
[01:51] <holstein> application in terminal
[01:52] <holstein> that should be the same as if you type that into a terminal and hit enter
[01:53] <yax51> ok, but I get the error that says "there was an error creating the child process for this terminal. Faled to execute child process "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so" (no such file or directory)
[01:54] <yax51> but if I run the command from the terminal like this: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[01:55] <yax51> it opens skype with the cam working properly as it should
[01:56] <holstein> right
[01:56] <holstein> i get the same error..
[01:56] <holstein> hmmm
[01:56] <yax51> but not when I create the launcher....
[01:57] <yax51> but the launcher is supposed to take that command and automatically run it as if it was in the terminal correct?
[01:58] <holstein> thats the way its worked for me
[01:58] <holstein> let me try some things
[02:07] <holstein> yax51: OK
[02:07] <holstein> so, copy LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so
[02:07] <holstein> to a file
[02:07] <holstein> name it whatever.sh
[02:07] <holstein> make it executable
[02:07] <holstein> you can right-click and go to properties
[02:08] <holstein> THEN, in the laucher, you can navigate to that .sh file
[02:09] <holstein> i dont get errors running that
[02:10] <holstein> not sure what that command is doing to my system though ;)
[02:10] <johnny77> join #lubuntu
[02:10] <yax51> it's flipping your cam 180
[02:10] <holstein> great
[02:12] <yax51> sweet! it's working now!!
[02:13] <yax51> now computer is awesome again!!!
[02:13] <holstein> :)
[02:13] <yax51> thanks!!
[02:13] <holstein> yup
[02:19] <emer> 0
[02:24] <emer> what does it mean if you have "voice" from ChanServ
[02:24] <holstein> if you dont
[02:25] <holstein> i wont see you talk
[02:25] <holstein> in the channel
[02:25] <holstein> you'd type and no one would hear you
[02:25] <emer> oh
[02:25] <head_victim> holstein: not true
[02:25] <emer> ?
[02:25] <holstein> yeah?
[02:25] <holstein> do tell
[02:26] <head_victim> Depends on the channel, it's essentially a half step between a user and an operator of the channel, hang on I'll find a link to explain it better
[02:26] <emer> because egossett didnt get voice
[02:26] <holstein> half-op ?
[02:26] <holstein> i thought that was half-ops
[02:28] <holstein> emer: is egossett registered ?
[02:28] <emer> no
[02:29] <emer> yes u do get voice if you are a half-op
[02:29] <emer> i think
[02:29] <holstein> its a good idea to register
[02:29] <holstein> im not half-op
[02:30] <head_victim> Hm there are lots on channel settings but no detail on voicing
[02:31] <holstein> some channel flags require registration to get voice
[02:31] <holstein> didnt think this was one of those channels
[02:33] <head_victim> To get voice in here you have to be a UBT member
[02:33]  * holstein is not an ubt member
[02:33] <emer> UBT?
[02:33] <head_victim> Ubuntu-Beginners-Team
[02:33] <paultag> Ubuntu Beginners Team!!! What whaaaaaa!
[02:33] <paultag> rep-the-set!
[02:33] <holstein> OK, regaurdless of the term
[02:34] <holstein> half-ops or voice
[02:34] <holstein> how that emer 's friend type in here?
[02:34] <holstein> how can*
[02:34] <holstein> egossett <
[02:34] <head_victim> Everyone should be able to type in here.
[02:34] <holstein> yup, *should*
[02:34] <emer> i think having voice means that ur cool
[02:35] <head_victim> paultag: any funky settings I don't know about (I'm only fairly new-ish here myself)
[02:35] <emer> how do i boot my USB drive with ubuntu 10.10 netbook edition
[02:36] <emer> i already tried booting it from its boot menu
[02:37] <holstein> emer: that will depend on your computer
[02:37] <holstein> the bios
[02:37] <emer> i have a toshiba NB 255
[02:37] <holstein> cool
[02:38] <paultag> head_victim: humm?
[02:38] <holstein> hey paultag
[02:38] <paultag> head_victim: UBT members get voice
[02:38] <paultag> heyya holstein
[02:38] <paultag> head_victim: that's about it
[02:38] <holstein> egossett is not able to type in here
[02:38] <paultag> ... really?
[02:38] <holstein> yup
[02:38] <holstein> so says emer
[02:38] <paultag> nhandler: prod
[02:39] <nhandler> Yes?
[02:39] <paultag> nhandler: can you use your freenode staffism to see why egossett can not talk? I can't see anything
[02:39] <emer> holstein:  i restarted my computer and when the first menu popped up i choose choose system boot then i chose my USB drive then i says "boot: "
[02:39] <emer> and i dont know what do do anfter that
[02:39] <holstein> emer: how did you create the bootable USB ?
[02:40] <emer> go to ubuntu.com and download the version of ubuntu you want
[02:40] <nhandler> egossett: Can you PM me the message you get when you try to send messages to this channel?
[02:40] <emer> create a startup disk
[02:40] <emer> and since i have a netbook
[02:40] <holstein> right
[02:41] <emer> i need to create one with a USB
[02:41] <head_victim> paultag: just thought I'd check, I couldn't think of a reason
[02:41] <holstein> so you used?
[02:41] <emer> go to system then go to Startup Disk creator
[02:41] <holstein> emer: you can go to
[02:41] <holstein> YEEAH
[02:41] <paultag> head_victim: I can't see any reason at all
[02:41] <holstein> emer: you did that?
[02:42] <head_victim> Glad it's not just me :) Alright I'm off again, goign to check out the in-laws to see how flooded it is
[02:42] <emer> let me find url
[02:42] <holstein> emer: you dont have to
[02:42] <holstein> did you use that program
[02:42] <holstein> startup disk creator to make the bootable USB ?
[02:42] <emer> http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook/get-ubuntu/download
[02:42] <emer> the startup disk creator
[02:42] <emer> yes
[02:42] <holstein> OK
[02:43] <emer> the usb is fine
[02:43] <emer> i just cant boot it
[02:43] <holstein> IF there is nothing else on the stick
[02:43] <emer> i did it before
[02:43] <emer> by just hitting enter
[02:43] <holstein> i sometimes format them
[02:43] <holstein> just to make sure
[02:43] <emer> but this time it doesnt work
[02:43] <emer> ok
[02:43] <holstein> before making it
[02:43] <holstein> AND then i try unetbootin
[02:43] <holstein> if that creator doesnt do the trick
[02:44] <emer> because for some reason when i use update manager it wont let me ubgrade
[02:44] <emer> upgrade*
[02:45] <holstein> emer: whats the error?
[02:45] <emer> let me find it
[02:45] <emer> i forgot it
[02:45] <emer> im also getting an error on formatting the USB
[02:45] <emer> One or more partitions are busy on /dev/sdc
[02:46] <holstein> maybe its still mounted?
[02:46] <emer> mounted?
[02:46] <emer> help me here lol
[02:47] <holstein> you wouldnt want to format the drive while its mounted
[02:47] <emer> but what is mounted
[02:47] <holstein> when you put the stick in
[02:47] <holstein> the USB stick
[02:47] <emer> oh
[02:47] <holstein> to read and/or write
[02:47] <emer> ok
[02:47] <holstein> you mount it
[02:47] <emer> got u
[02:47] <emer> so how do i unmount it them
[02:47] <holstein> nautilus auto-mounts
[02:48] <holstein> emer: i use gparted
[02:48] <holstein> you can unmount from there
[02:48] <holstein> its just the tool that i got used to
[02:48] <emer> umm
[02:48] <holstein> umount /path/to/drive
[02:48] <emer> i dont know what your saying lol
[02:48] <emer> im new
[02:48] <emer> so
[02:48] <holstein> OK
[02:48] <holstein> when i want to format a USB stick
[02:48] <holstein> i use gparted
[02:49] <emer> how do i use gparted
[02:49] <holstein> its in the menu
[02:49] <holstein> under system administration
[02:49] <emer> wait i found what i needed
[02:49] <holstein> OK
[02:49] <emer> under disk utility? right
[02:49] <holstein> nah
[02:50] <emer> no i found it
[02:50] <emer> it say unmount drive
[02:50] <emer> and it works!!
[02:52] <emer> holstein: back to what you were saying i cant find gparted
[02:52] <emer> and now my USB wont mount
[02:53] <holstein> well, now you are unable to mount the USB
[02:53] <holstein> anyways, this is a theory really
[02:53] <holstein> sometimes when i format the USB stick fresh
[02:53] <holstein> then use unetbootin
[02:53] <holstein> it works
[02:53] <holstein> the ubuntu usb creator didnt work for me a couple times
[02:54] <holstein> so i havent tried it in a while
[02:54] <emer> where is unetbootin
[02:54] <holstein> unetbootin is in the repos though
[02:54] <holstein> and so is gparted
[02:54] <holstein> its up to you
[02:54] <holstein> maybe you can just remake the stick
[02:54] <emer> i dont mind which ever
[02:54] <emer> i just cant find what u are telling me
[02:54] <holstein> if you're not comfortalbe mounting and formatting
[02:54] <emer> i dont have a gparted or a unetbooting
[02:55] <holstein> OK
[02:55] <holstein> they are moth availalbe in the repositories
[02:55] <holstein> so you can install unetbootin
[02:55] <holstein> if you would like
[02:55] <holstein> from where ever you install software
[02:55] <holstein> software center
[02:55] <holstein> OR synaptic
[02:55] <holstein> or commandline
[02:56] <holstein> sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[02:57] <emer> okay
[02:57] <emer> wait i just remounted it by making a partion on it from disk utility
[02:57] <holstein> cool
[02:57] <holstein> if that works for you, go for it
[02:58] <holstein> maybe remaking the stick now will do the trick
[02:58] <emer> but then i get a file that in the USB that is lost+found and it cannot be deleted
[02:58] <emer> wait back up
[02:58] <emer> so when im adding a partion on it after i format drive
[02:59] <emer> should the type be Ext4
[02:59] <holstein> depends
[02:59] <holstein> probably not
[02:59] <holstein> probably fat
[02:59] <emer> ok
[02:59] <emer> still i have no idea what im doing so im just trying to mess around lol
[03:00] <holstein> as long as you're careful
[03:00] <emer> ok
[03:00] <holstein> and you're sure you're messing with that USB stick
[03:00] <holstein> and theres nothing important on the stick
[03:00] <holstein> go for it
[03:00] <emer> nothing at all
[03:01] <emer> ok i used fat
[03:01] <emer> and now it works
[03:01] <emer> so im goin to use to startup disk creator now
[03:01] <holstein> i like it
[03:01] <emer> ok so far so good
[03:02] <emer> and i select the /dev/sdc1, correct?
[03:02] <johnny77> Should Ubuntu have a right-click menu on the desktop?
[03:02] <holstein> emer: i would open a terminal
[03:03] <holstein> run sudo fdisk -l
[03:03] <holstein> to make sure
[03:03] <holstein> johnny77: yup
[03:03] <emer> ok i did
[03:03] <holstein> create folder etc.... johnny77
[03:03] <holstein> emer: that'll tell you what is what
[03:04] <johnny77> holstein: if I lost it, how can I get it back?
[03:04] <emer> okay
[03:04] <emer> yes its /dev/sdc1
[03:05] <holstein> johnny77: i would determine if its the mouse button thats not working or tat particular menu
[03:06] <johnny77> holstein: mouse button works because I can get the panel right-click menu
[03:07] <holstein> i would log out and back in
[03:07] <holstein> or restart
[03:08] <holstein> and if that doesnt do it, we can look some more
[03:08] <emer> holstein: i made the drive i am going to try to boot it now thanks
[03:11] <emer> holstein: i just tried again, didnt work
[03:12] <holstein> OK
[03:12] <holstein> so, i would format, and try making the stick using unetbootin
[03:13] <emer> what if my computer wont boot it though?
[03:13] <emer> when i got into boot selection menu
[03:13] <emer> i choose USB
[03:13] <holstein> emer: i thought you had already used a USB before?
[03:13] <emer> then get boot:
[03:13] <emer> yes
[03:13] <holstein> OK
[03:13] <emer> but its not working this time
[03:13] <emer> i dont
[03:13] <holstein> then it has the capability
[03:13] <emer> know y
[03:14] <emer> my friend made the other drive though
[03:14] <emer> i did not
[03:14] <emer> and my friend is not able to contact
[03:15] <holstein> well, let me know if unetbootin fails
[03:15] <holstein> and we'll go from there
[03:15] <emer> ok
[03:17] <emer> hmm doesnt have version 10.10
[03:18] <holstein> emer: ??
[03:18] <emer> im in UNetbooting and i choose Ubuntu for distribution
[03:18] <holstein> right
[03:18] <emer> and then i have to choose a version
[03:18] <holstein> just choes custom
[03:18] <emer> oh
[03:18] <holstein> and point it to the iso you downloaded
[03:19] <holstein> choose*
[03:20] <emer> i choose custom, enter the iso, but it automatically chose diskimage
[03:21] <holstein> emer: it'll work
[03:21] <holstein> i use it all the time
[03:21] <emer> ok
[03:21] <emer> ok
[03:21] <holstein> and for the netbook .iso s
[03:21] <emer> do i need to put anything in kernel, intrid, or options
[03:22] <emer> .iso s?
[03:22] <emer> whats the last s for
[03:22] <holstein> pluralization :)
[03:22] <emer> haha
[03:22] <holstein> iso's
[03:22] <emer> oh
[03:23] <emer> holstein: it says that i must select a kernel and/or a intrid file to load
[03:24] <holstein> emer: close it
[03:24] <holstein> all of it
[03:24] <emer> ok
[03:24] <holstein> open unet back up
[03:24] <holstein> put in your password if prompted
[03:24] <emer> ok
[03:24] <holstein> theres a little radio button
[03:25] <holstein> beside DiskImage
[03:25] <emer> yes
[03:25] <holstein> check that
[03:25] <emer> k
[03:25] <holstein> should already be set to iso
[03:25] <emer> it is
[03:25] <holstein> then there are little ...'s
[03:25] <holstein> on a button
[03:25] <emer> yes
[03:25] <holstein> thats where you point to the .iso you want to use
[03:25] <emer> locate the iso
[03:25] <holstein> the one you DL'd
[03:26] <holstein> down at the bottom you choose the drive
[03:26] <emer> ok
[03:26] <holstein> whatever you determined in fdisk -l
[03:26] <holstein> hit OK
[03:26] <holstein> wait...
[03:26] <emer> the only choice it gives me is /dev/sdb1
[03:26] <emer> is that the right one?
[03:26] <holstein> emer: double check
[03:26] <holstein> dont trust me
[03:26] <emer> oh it worked this time
[03:26] <holstein> its you're hard drive
[03:27] <emer> oh
[03:27] <emer> so cancel?
[03:27] <holstein> nah
[03:27] <holstein> if you choose the right drive
[03:27] <holstein> you're good
[03:27] <holstein> just be sure before you hit OK
[03:27] <emer> it only gives me one drive
[03:27] <emer> im not sure if its the right one
[03:27] <holstein> emer: i still check
[03:27] <emer> how i check?
[03:28] <holstein> i dont trust me or unetbootin
[03:28] <emer> how i check?
[03:28] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[03:28] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[03:28] <emer> ok it was the right one
[03:28] <holstein> cool
[03:28] <holstein> so hit OK
[03:28] <emer> now i recieved a prompt
[03:29] <holstein> set back and wait...
[03:29] <emer> after hitting ok
[03:29] <emer> The file /media/USB/.disk/base_installable already exists. Press 'Yes to All' to overwrite it and not be prompted again, 'Yes' to overwrite files on an individual basis, and 'No' to retain your existing version. If in doubt, press 'Yes to All'.
[03:29] <emer> that is it
[03:29] <holstein> as long as you're sure that is the USB stick
[03:29] <holstein> say OK
[03:29] <holstein> you can try again if it doesnt work
[03:30] <emer> ok
[03:32] <emer> thanks
[03:32] <holstein> :)
[03:35] <holstein> johnny77: right-click ?
[03:35] <johnny77> holstein: none.
[03:35] <holstein> :/
[03:36] <holstein> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+question/53885
[03:36] <holstein> johnny77: ^^
[04:02] <johnny77> does anyone know how to restore the right-click desktop menu?
[04:08] <holstein> johnny77: have you changed anything in gconf?
[04:08] <johnny77> holstein: the show desktop setting was checked.
[04:09] <holstein> what happened leading up to the menu going away?
[04:11] <johnny77> holstein: long story or short? Short. I was trying to get a program called Dropbox to autostart in Openbox. I was changing setting per a few websites that told me how to do it. None of them worked. But I just remembered a script one of them told me to write that may have caused the problem. I've deleted the script and now about to resart.
[04:13] <bioterror> johnny77, you have in your .config/autostart/ a file called dropbox.desktop?
[04:14] <johnny77> bioterror: no, I was adding a command to a file called autostart.sh in  ~/.config/openbox/
[04:15] <bioterror> johnny77, you're doing it wrong
[04:15] <johnny77> bioterror: Dropbox works fine in both Gnome and LXDE, but not openbox
[04:15] <bioterror> so you're not really running lubuntu any more
[04:15] <johnny77> bioterror: I looked in directory ~.config/autostart/ and yes there is a file called dropbox.desktop
[04:16] <bioterror> you're running just openbox?
[04:16] <johnny77> bioterror: I have Ubuntu and LXDE installed, but thought I'd try creating an Openbox session.
[04:17] <bioterror> okay
[04:18] <bioterror> you have xdg-autostart installed?
[04:18] <johnny77> bioterror: not sure.. let me check
[04:20] <johnny77> bioterror: I searched xdg-autostart in synaptic, but it is not finding anything.
[04:20] <bioterror> pyxdg
[04:20] <bioterror> oh
[04:20] <paultag> bioterror: I wrote something for this
[04:20] <paultag> bioterror: it's called "fbautostart"
[04:20] <paultag> bioterror: it's in the repos, and it does XDG for Fluxbox. You can overrid onbehalf of. It's all documented
[04:21] <paultag> you too, I guess johnny77 :)
[04:21] <johnny77> bioterror: a package called python-xdg is installed.
[04:21] <bioterror> paultag, well I stick with lubuntu. atleast I know how it works
[04:22] <paultag> bioterror: just FYI
[04:22] <paultag> johnny77: if you want, you can use my code
[04:22] <johnny77> paultag: what does it do?
[04:22] <bioterror> paultag, how's your fluxbox system doing
[04:22] <paultag> johnny77: https://launchpad.net/fbautostart
[04:22] <paultag> johnny77: it's the xdg autostart daemon that we're migrating to for Fluxbox
[04:23] <bioterror> hi egossett
[04:24] <johnny77> paultag: Thank you, but if I can't get openbox to work, I think I'll just stick with Lubuntu.
[04:24] <paultag> johnny77: no, I think you don't understand -- this works for Openbox as well
[04:24] <paultag> that's what I meant, sorry, I'm watching a movie :)
[04:25] <paultag> that and I'm a nerd, I am forced to respond in kurt little phrases
[04:26] <johnny77> paultag: I have to install from the tar file?
[04:26] <paultag> johnny77: if you want a deb, I can do that for you. I'd hate to see you put off from such a fine window manager as Openbox
[04:27] <paultag> johnny77: just let me know what distro ( debian or ubuntu ) and what version
[04:28] <johnny77> paultag: I'm running Ubuntu 10.10
[04:28] <paultag> great
[04:28] <paultag> johnny77: i386?
[04:29] <johnny77> paultag: huh? Is the a way to check?
[04:29] <bioterror> uname -a, johnny77
[04:29] <paultag> johnny77: -m
[04:29] <egossett> can someone help me with getting a pgp key
[04:29] <paultag> bioterror: -m is machine arch type ;)
[04:29] <bioterror> paultag, I like to see it all
[04:29] <paultag> bioterror: true
[04:29] <bioterror> paultag, but we have i686 ;)
[04:29] <paultag> bioterror: I do -a when I'm at home ;)
[04:30] <paultag> bioterror: johnny77 has a 686?
[04:30] <bioterror> we'll see
[04:30] <johnny77> what should I type? I'm assuming this is in terminal?
[04:30] <paultag> johnny77: yes, sorry
[04:30] <paultag> johnny77: type `uname -m`
[04:31] <paultag> johnny77: and paste the output in here, please. It should be just one line ( and OK for pasting over IRC )
[04:31] <johnny77> i686
[04:31] <paultag> great!
[04:31] <paultag> johnny77: you may install the debian file from the ubuntu 11.04 repos safely
[04:31] <paultag> johnny77: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fbautostart/2.7182-2/+build/2029876
[04:31] <paultag> johnny77: it's signed by the Ubuntu key, and Debian key. It's trusted and clean to install
[04:31] <holstein> egossett: is this for your LP account?
[04:32] <egossett> holstein yes
[04:32] <paultag> johnny77: then you just place the fbautostart line in the startup file for OB
[04:33] <johnny77> I'm just a little confused... I created a file called autostart.sh in ~/.config/openbox/ It correctly loads both gnome-do and lxpanel, but for some reason it will not load dropbox.
[04:34] <paultag> Oh.
[04:34] <holstein> egossett: theres a little yellow circle there
[04:34] <paultag> I'm sorry johnny77.  Ensure you have a single and sign after each command
[04:35] <paultag> johnny77: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Autostart   might help a bit
[04:36] <egossett> ok looking now
[04:36] <egossett> one minute
[04:37] <johnny77> paultag: that page is where i copied my autostart file from
[04:37] <egossett> did not find the yellow circle
[04:37] <egossett> under launchpad id
[04:37] <egossett> it shows my name
[04:38] <holstein> egossett: where is your page?
[04:39] <egossett> holstein: my wiki  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/egossett
[04:40] <holstein> egossett: are you logged in?
[04:40] <egossett> no
[04:40] <holstein> egossett: OH
[04:40] <holstein> i see
[04:40] <holstein> go to LP
[04:40] <holstein> like https://launchpad.net/~mikeh789
[04:40] <egossett> ok
[04:41] <johnny77> paultag: http://paste.ubuntu.com/553480/
[04:41] <holstein> when you log in there
[04:41] <holstein> thats where i see the info
[04:41] <egossett> i see it now
[04:41] <egossett> sorry
[04:41] <holstein> egossett: no worries
[04:41] <holstein> i had help :)
[04:41] <holstein> when i was setting mine up
[04:41] <egossett> thank you
[04:41] <egossett> duh
[04:42] <egossett> yes i tried to do this numerous times. just not getting it
[04:43] <holstein> egossett: where are you?
[04:43] <egossett> in launchpad
[04:43] <egossett> overview screen
[04:44] <holstein> are you using the passwords and encrpyction tools ?
[04:44] <egossett> yes
[04:44] <egossett> i have to long string of numbers there
[04:44] <egossett> in my personal keys
[04:45] <holstein> i dont think i did it that way
[04:45] <holstein> BUT
[04:45] <holstein> if you're on that page
[04:45] <holstein> theres a popup
[04:45] <egossett> yes popup open
[04:45] <holstein> Learn more about open PGP keys
[04:45] <holstein> in blue
[04:45] <holstein> that *should* do it
[04:45] <paultag> johnny77: because that's the wrong syntax :)
[04:46] <paultag> johnny77: I'm guessing you want dropbox start   ?
[04:46] <johnny77> paultag: what is wrong?
[04:46] <johnny77> yes
[04:46] <paultag> johnny77: you just have dropbox
[04:47] <johnny77> paultag: correct, that is the name of the program.
[04:47] <paultag> johnny77: yes, but just running "dropbox" will fail with an error message you can't see
[04:47] <paultag> johnny77: running "dropbox start" will start the dropbox daemon
[04:47] <egossett> don't see learn more about open pgp keys in blue
[04:48] <paultag> johnny77: it's the write app, wrong usage
[04:48] <paultag> right *
[04:48] <paultag> damn, I'm tired
[04:48] <egossett> indicates that i have 2 fingerprints
[04:48] <johnny77> paultag: why does gnome-do and lxpanel work?
[04:48] <paultag> johnny77: because "gnome-do" is a valid command. same with "lxpanel"
[04:48] <paultag> johnny77: try running the command on the shell "dropbox"
[04:48] <paultag> johnny77: it will say "Error! Here's how you use it!"
[04:49] <paultag> johnny77: so, fix it, and it will work ;)
[04:49] <johnny77> paultag: you mean in terminal?
[04:49] <paultag> johnny77: yes, because that's how it's running what's in your shell script there
[04:49] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: this might probably help; https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[04:49] <paultag> johnny77: take it on faith dude, I've got this :)
[04:49] <egossett> joemaverick: ok will go there
[04:50] <egossett> i have an .asc file exported to desktop
[04:50] <johnny77>  paultag I typed "dropbox" and "dropbox start" in the terminal and they both said command not found.
[04:50] <bioterror> johnny77, which dropbox
[04:50] <paultag> johnny77: without quotes, right?
[04:50] <egossett> Holstein and joemaverick.
[04:50] <johnny77> paultag: yes
[04:50] <egossett> i will read on this link and see if i can get this right
[04:51] <paultag> johnny77: and you have it installed?
[04:51] <egossett> thanks for assistance with this.
[04:51] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: well, correct me if i'm wrong, so you got your pgp key imported to launchpad?
[04:51] <bioterror> paultag, if he used that tar.gz or what ever, it is .dropbox/dropbox or something and not in the path
[04:51] <johnny77> paultag: yes, dropbox works fine in both gnome and LXDE and if I run it from the menu in openbox, but I can not get it to autostart in openbox.
[04:51] <egossett> i exported something from passwords to desktop
[04:51] <egossett> and it is .asc file
[04:52] <egossett> is this what i need to put into launchpad yellow circle?
[04:52] <paultag> bioterror: it should be in the path
[04:52] <paultag> johnny77: this is what my session looked like: http://pastebin.com/typdtMfC
[04:52] <bioterror> in natty we have a dropbox in repos
[04:52] <paultag> bioterror: for partner, not main
[04:52] <paultag> bioterror: it's nonfree
[04:52] <bioterror> yeah
[04:53] <bioterror> it's propietary
[04:53] <paultag> nonfree* :)
[04:53] <bioterror> off to work
[04:53] <bioterror> bye ;)
[04:53] <paultag> later
[04:53] <johnny77> bioterror: later
[04:54] <johnny77> paultag: I may have figured it out.
[04:54] <paultag> johnny77: great
[04:55] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: could you please look at the link i gave you and see what steps you've taken?
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: how did you get the .asc file? could you explain about it?
[04:56] <johnny77> paultag: if it's installed properly adding start after dropbox in my autostart file will get it to run?
[04:56] <egossett> i got the .asc file from password and encryption key
[04:56] <paultag> johnny77: providing you give it one space between dropbox and start, yes :)
[04:56] <egossett> exported it to the desktop
[04:56] <egossett> the link u sent to me
[04:56] <paultag> or two, I guess
[04:56] <paultag> just not zero
[04:57] <egossett> i think i need to go gpg -- fingerprint in the terminal
[04:57] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: ah, try that.
[04:57] <egossett> i do not see any icon for sync in my password and encrypt key screen
[04:57] <egossett> yes
[04:58] <egossett> let me do the terminal
[04:58] <egossett> then copy and paste the fingerprint it says
[04:58] <johnny77> paultag: thanks for your help! I gotta go now...
[04:58] <paultag> johnny77: godspeed!
[04:59] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: yes, if you got to https://launchpad.net/~<yourusername>/+editpgpkeys you could paste the fingerprint.
[04:59] <egossett> i think that is it
[05:00] <egossett> let me check the email now
[05:00] <egossett> yes i just pasted the fingerprint but now i have 3 fingerprints do i delete two
[05:02] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: were those keys generated by one email account? did you create it today? if so, i suggest just leave it at that. please do remember the last key that you generated and use that.
[05:02] <egossett> all 3 created by same email account
[05:02] <egossett> will use the last one then
[05:03] <egossett> but i guess my email (gmail) did not de encrypt this message
[05:04] <egossett> f you cannot
[05:04] <egossett> read the unencrypted instructions below, it may be because your mail reader
[05:04] <egossett> does not support automatic decryption of "ASCII armored" encrypted text.
[05:04] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: do you have the pdf that i gave you in the #ubuntu-beginners-team?
[05:04] <egossett> was it at top of irc
[05:04] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: hold on, i'll give you.
[05:05] <egossett> kk
[05:05] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9030439/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf download that, go to the last page.
[05:06] <egossett> kk
[05:06] <egossett> doing this now
[05:07] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: from that page it tells you how to decrypt the message. "copy the message from ---Begin PGP Message--- to ---End PGP Message---"
[05:08] <egossett> kk saved as txt on desktop
[05:08] <egossett> doing terminal now
[05:08] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: ok, nearly there. :)
[05:08] <egossett> kk
[05:09] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: it will ask you for the password that you used to creat the PGP key.
[05:10] <egossett> terminal changed to desktop
[05:10] <egossett> but nothing on second command
[05:10] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: what was the file name that you used to save the copied message as?
[05:11] <egossett> pgp txt
[05:11] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: pgp.txt?
[05:11] <JoeMaverickSett> if so gpg --decrypt pgp.txt
[05:12] <JoeMaverickSett> does it work?
[05:12] <egossett> ok
[05:12] <egossett> let let try that
[05:12] <egossett> must restart terminal
[05:12] <egossett> it was frozen
[05:14] <egossett> usage: gpg [options] [filename]
[05:14] <egossett> evalyn@evalyn-E1705:~/Desktop$
[05:14] <egossett> i named the file pgp txt no period
[05:14] <egossett> in gedit
[05:15] <egossett> text editor
[05:17] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: still here? what was the last thing you said? *bad connection here* :|
[05:18] <egossett> yes
[05:18] <egossett> i got this terminal message
[05:18] <egossett> usage: gpg [options] [filename]
[05:18] <egossett> evalyn@evalyn-E1705:~/Desktop$
[05:18] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: don't paste it if it's a long message. use paste.ubuntu.com
[05:18] <egossett> i named the file pgp txt no period in gedit
[05:19] <egossett> OMG
[05:19] <egossett> i have so many windows open on a 17 inch screen
[05:19] <egossett> one minute
[05:20] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: ah, then could you try gpg --decrypt pgp txt ? if that doesn't work, please rename it to pgp.txt and issue the command with gpg --decrypt pgp.txt ?
[05:21] <egossett> downloading txt
[05:21] <egossett> saved to desktop as ubuntu
[05:21] <egossett> ?
[05:21] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: what do you mean downloading txt?
[05:21] <JoeMaverickSett> do you mean copy pasting the pgp key message?
[05:22] <egossett> yes
[05:22] <egossett> now on desktop as plain
[05:22] <egossett> from paste.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <egossett> gpg -- decrypt plain
[05:23] <egossett> gave me same message
[05:23] <egossett> usage: gpg [options] [filename]
[05:23] <egossett> evalyn@evalyn-E1705:~/Desktop$
[05:23] <egossett> do we have to have this key
[05:23] <egossett> this is NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:23] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: ah, well, you just needed to copy the --Begin... End-- from your email inbox. open gedit, paste those messages, save as - pgp.txt
[05:24] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: there shouldn't be any space betweem -- and decrypt
[05:24] <egossett> o
[05:24] <egossett> ok
[05:25] <egossett> need passphrase now
[05:25] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: use the passphrase that you used to create the pgp key.
[05:25] <egossett> is that in passworrds and encrptio screen
[05:25] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: use the passphrase that you used to create the pgp key, please.
[05:25] <egossett> how do i know what that was
[05:26] <egossett> i have been trying this since 9 jan
[05:26] <egossett> hahahaha
[05:26] <egossett> sorry
[05:26] <egossett> i see change passphase
[05:26] <egossett> should i change?
[05:27] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: well, you could give it a try. you should have written it down somewhere though.
[05:28] <egossett> ok
[05:28] <egossett> geez
[05:29] <egossett> got it
[05:29] <egossett> now terminal will not allow me to type there
[05:30] <egossett> it did
[05:31] <egossett> confirming
[05:31] <egossett> done
[05:31] <egossett> thank you JoeMaverick
[05:31] <egossett> but now i can help someone else i think
[05:31] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: tip: type JoeMav then use <tab> key to highlight me. :)
[05:32] <egossett> ok
[05:32] <egossett> let me try that
[05:32] <egossett> JoeMaverickSett,
[05:32] <egossett> i see
[05:32] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: perfect.
[05:32] <JoeMaverickSett> :)
[05:32] <egossett> smile
[05:32] <egossett> i use to like dos
[05:32] <egossett> then i hated dos
[05:32] <egossett> then windows
[05:32] <egossett> so lazy now
[05:33] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: use that if you've many people talking in the channel and want to specify someone that you're talking ot
[05:33] <JoeMaverickSett> s/ot/to
[05:33] <bioterror> dos and windows had 4dos
[05:33] <bioterror> it was pure stupidity not to use it
[05:33] <egossett> yes i was wondering how to do name like you guys had it showing there
[05:33] <egossett> bioterror,
[05:33] <egossett> got it
[05:33] <egossett> kewl
[05:33] <egossett> and got key
[05:33] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: use the name infront of the message would be better.
[05:34] <egossett> so much to learn
[05:34] <egossett> i see
[05:34] <egossett> i understand
[05:34] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: you'll get there eventually :)
[05:34] <egossett> JoeMaverickSett: thank you so much
[05:34] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: no problem, glad to be of help. :)
[05:35] <egossett> JoeMaverickSett: i will read pdf and understnand better to help someone else.
[05:36] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: ah, sure, hold on to it & help someone else. it was written by a mentor here. :)
[05:36] <egossett> JoeMaverickSett: kk
[05:36] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: very informational, you should also bookmark https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey and other help pages on launchpad to get yourself familiar with. :)
[05:37] <JoeMaverickSett> launchpad
[05:37] <egossett> yes - done
[05:37] <egossett> i have diigo bookmarks section for all of this
[05:38] <egossett> diigo is like delicious
[05:38] <matematikaadit> I'm using Dell Vostro 3400 core i3. Some days ago my bluetooth works, but suddenly it doesn't work. I can't browse my phone storage via bluetooth. How do i fix it? What information do must I supply?
[05:38] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, nice. :)
[05:39] <egossett> and i am trying to complete one thing daily, read forum and come to irc daily if possible with work
[05:39] <egossett> must be involved to learn this
[05:39] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, yes, irc and forums are very good to gather/learn things, just by looking and trying to help. :)
[05:40] <egossett> kk
[05:40] <egossett> i am here for long term, and it has taken me sevral years to get here
[05:40] <egossett> but glad now
[05:40] <JoeMaverickSett> :)
[05:40] <egossett> JoeMaverickSett; thank you again. chat tomorrow then Ok
[05:41] <JoeMaverickSett> egossett: sure. :)
[05:41] <egossett> nite
[06:37] <JackyAlcine> Hello?
[06:38] <bioterror> how can I help you JackyAlcine
[06:39] <JackyAlcine> bioterror: By keeping me company.
[06:39] <JackyAlcine> I went to sleep and hajour, phillw, ibuclaw, everything left me. >_<
[06:39] <bioterror> well, you know this is a support channel and mainly for support and #ubuntu-beginners-team is for general chatting
[06:39]  * JackyAlcine goes off to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[07:13] <superbcccam> how can i uninstall Mandriva & install Ubuntu without disturbing win7 OS & Data....plz expalin me in steps thanks
[07:20] <JackyAlcine> superbcccam: Where's are your files stored that you want to preserve?
[07:21] <superbcccam> all in C drive no partition
[07:25] <JackyAlcine> Where are your personal documents? Can you upload them to a cloud?
[07:26] <JackyAlcine> Like Dropbox?
[07:29] <superbcccam> cloud ? dude i am new in it :)
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> Well, what system are you currently running?
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> Like what system are you in IRC with?
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> You should move your files up to a site like dropbox.com (max size 2GB)
[07:30] <superbcccam> oki
[07:30] <superbcccam> then ?
[07:30] <JackyAlcine> Wait, if your drive isn't partitioned, how do you have both Windows and Mandriva running?
[07:30] <JackyAlcine> You'll just download them back.
[07:53] <yax51> does anyone know anything about evolution mail?
[07:53] <JackyAlcine> yax51: A bit, porquoi?
[07:53]  * JackyAlcine must know he transitioned to Thunderbird because it works a lot better.
[07:54]  * JackyAlcine **note
[07:54] <yax51> JackyAlcine: I can't get it to sync with my hotmail.....but if thunderbird is better I might try that
[07:54] <bioterror> yax, does hotmail support pop3 or imap
[07:54] <JackyAlcine> yax51: Do you have a subscription with your Live e-mail? Live stopped free POP support a while ago.
[07:55] <JackyAlcine> yax51: I'm not so sure about imap, but I know POP stopped a long time ago; hence my transition to Google.
[07:55] <yax51> maybe thats why its not working....
[07:55] <bioterror> yax, how about migrating to gmail or something
[07:55] <bioterror> hotmail is so 90's ;)
[07:55] <JackyAlcine> yax51: bioterror's suggestion is pretty simple too. Gmail has easy interactions with most services.
[07:56] <yax51> yeah, but I'm old school like that....
[07:56] <yax51> if I could still run DOS I totally would....
[07:57] <bioterror> gmail supports imap
[07:57] <bioterror> seems like hotmail is more into a pop3
[08:17] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[08:17] <kristian-aalborg> ubuntu netbook editions runs gnome?
[08:17] <JackyAlcine> Yup.
[08:17] <kristian-aalborg> hi bioterror etc
[08:17] <JackyAlcine> Well no.
[08:17] <JackyAlcine> I lie.
[08:17] <JackyAlcine> It runs Unity.
[08:18] <JackyAlcine> I was thinking GNOME Shell.
[08:18] <kristian-aalborg> is it faster?
[08:18] <kristian-aalborg> I have a very modest box to install something on... I'm thinking Netbook Remix or Lubuntu
[08:19] <JackyAlcine> Lubuntu's your choice.
[08:19] <JackyAlcine> Unity needs nVidia.
[08:19] <JackyAlcine> Last time I checked.
[08:20] <JackyAlcine> Oops. no, it'd prefer nVidia.
[08:22] <kristian-aalborg> this is an Eee 2g surf... runs a chip called GMA 900, it seems
[08:22] <kristian-aalborg> but UN is heavier than Lubuntu?
[08:36] <jermza> My NVidia settgins are not loading when Ubuntu starts.  I have to manually click on the application.
[08:36] <jermza> How can I make the settings loads by default>
[08:40] <jermza> ANyone?
[08:43] <ChrisDruif> I haven't got nVidia, but doesn't it have some place where it save stuff to default?
[08:43] <jermza> I'm not sure how that helps...
[08:44] <ramah> I think you can run a config file
[08:44] <bioterror> what are nvidia settings
[08:44] <ramah> like nvidia.config or something like that
[08:45] <ramah> nvidia-xconfig
[08:45] <ramah> you type that into the terminal
[08:45] <ramah> I think you are supposed to be logged out of your gui when you do it
[08:45] <yax51> ok I got it to work in evolution!
[08:46] <ramah> cool maybe that will turn it on
[08:52] <yax51> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingHotmailWithEvolution
[08:52] <yax51> for anyone interestd
[08:56] <JackyAlcine> kristian-aalborg: Yes,
[08:56] <JackyAlcine> Ubuntu comes with the typical setup for a modern desktop-computer.
[08:56] <JackyAlcine> Lubuntu's designed to be efficient and light weight.
[10:37] <head_victim> nhandler: ping - see -team
[10:37] <head_victim> Sorry, don't know any other staffers :/
[10:37] <head_victim> Oh, it's over for now
[10:37] <JackyAlcine> Why is he doing that? >_<
[10:37] <JackyAlcine> I doubt it. >_<
[10:38] <head_victim> No idea, you get random people who have nothing better to do apparently.
[11:28] <yax51> does anyone know of a core temp monitor?
[11:28] <JackyAlcine> yax51: Comes with Ubuntu as a panel applet.
[11:29] <JackyAlcine> yax51: You can also try and see if the Rings screenlet has that.
[11:29] <JackyAlcine> yax51: and I know that Conky has that as well.
[11:31] <yax51> JackyAlcine: I'm not seeing it....
[11:32] <JackyAlcine> yax51: System Monitor in the Add Panel dialog.
[11:33] <yax51> JackyAlcine: I have the system monitor, but it doesn't appear to have a cpu temp....
[11:46] <yax51> hmmm yeah it's not in the panel applet menu....
[11:47] <JackyAlcine> hmm.
[11:47] <JackyAlcine> That's a bit odd.
[11:47] <JackyAlcine> You have Screenlets?
[11:51] <yax51> I don't think so
[11:52] <JackyAlcine> sudo apt-get install screenlets screenlets-pack-basic
[11:52] <yax51> I've also noted that I don't have a system tools in the applications menu
[11:54] <yax51> hold on.....
[11:56] <yax51> ok I have scrfeen lets now
[11:56] <yax51> screenlets*
[11:59] <JackyAlcine> alright, now the RingSensors screenlet should have what you're looking for.
[11:59] <JackyAlcine> yax51: ^^
[12:00] <yax51> sweeet!!! although I was hoping for a panel applet...but this is rad!!
[12:03] <JackyAlcine> :D
[12:03] <JackyAlcine> No problem.
[12:04] <JackyAlcine> The Screenlets project is one of my favorite of Ubuntu.
[12:07] <yax51> all of these appear to be CPU load monitors, but nothing for CPU temp....
[12:07] <JackyAlcine> yax51: I was sure it had it.
[12:07] <JackyAlcine> yax51: =/
[12:08] <yax51> unless I'm blind in one eye and can't see out the other....
[12:08] <yax51> I had one on my lucid build, but I can't remember for the life of me what it was called
[12:13] <yax51> oh well I'm going to bed......good night all!!
[12:13] <bioterror> conky with lua beats screenlets?
[14:06] <jermza> I installed Ubuntu Tweak and then uninstalled it after a few days.  But all the tweaks have remained even after the program was removed.
[14:07] <jermza> Any idea on how to revert the tweaks?
[14:19] <Timo_> too bad jermza only stayed here for 7 minutes, or I would've told him what the fix was.
[14:19] <bioterror> such is life
[14:19] <Timo_> life isn't too bad :D
[14:19] <bioterror> yeah, but it's full of impatient people
[14:19] <Timo_> that's true.
[14:19] <Timo_> I think the problem is, that a lot of people don't know how IRC works :)
[14:20] <bioterror> yeah
[14:20] <bioterror> they think we are here 24/7 only watching that they join to channel
[14:20] <Timo_> we rae!
[14:20] <Timo_> :P
[14:20] <bioterror> :D
[14:20] <Timo_> okay maybe not
[14:20] <bioterror> yeah
[15:13] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[15:14] <serfus> hey ShootEmUp
[15:15] <ShootEmUp> whats up?
[15:15] <serfus> i'm great, and you?
[15:17] <ShootEmUp> doing good
[16:25] <Aladdin--> Hi. My notification area doesn't work anymore: no icons appear and some apps (transmission, pidgin, etc.) aren't available once minimized. Using Ubuntu Hardy Heron (originally 8.04), up-to-date. Can anyone assist?
[16:54] <Aladdin--> Notification area not working anymore (Hardy Heron). Please advise.
[17:38] <johnny77> When I login to Ubuntu, it loads an theme that i never set. When I open appearances, it loads the correct theme. What could be calling this other theme?
[19:19] <Red-Raven> hey.
[19:21] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, hey to you
[19:40] <Red-Raven> hey nit-wit. sup?
[19:41] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, not much as usual
[19:43] <Red-Raven> ah. i've been working a learning terminal. used it to create a bunch of empty directories on my desktop to try it with (im starting with simple directory commands, so i figured why not learn some while creating a test bed for it?)
[19:44] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: command line for the win
[19:44] <bodhizazen> When you get bored with bash, you can always try zsh
[19:45] <bodhizazen> the "problem" with zsh is you need a .zshrc as the defaults are not so good, IMO
[19:45] <bodhizazen> http://friedcpu.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/zsh-the-last-shell-youll-ever-need/
[19:45] <bioterror> autoload -U compinit && compinit
[19:45] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/zshrc
[19:46] <bodhizazen> lol bioterror
[19:46] <bioterror> what?-)
[19:48] <bioterror> I could steal stuff from your rc to mine ;D
[19:49] <Red-Raven> bodhizazen: so its basically a customizable terminal?
[19:50] <bodhizazen> Well, bash and zsh are shells, and they are both customizable
[19:50] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/bashrc
[19:50] <bioterror> terminal is just terminal, it's nothing without shell
[19:51] <bodhizazen> Teh "terminal" is a graphical interface, and again there are several to choose form there as well, and the graphical interface is also customizable
[19:51] <bioterror> and a good shell is a base for comfortable shell working
[19:52] <Red-Raven> so zsh just has more features like better tap completion?
[19:52] <bioterror> yes and no
[19:52] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: http://bodhizazen.net/img/Terminal2.png
[19:52] <bioterror> bash can have them too as well
[19:53] <bodhizazen> zsh has , IMO, easier to user options for tab completion, you get a list you can move through with arrow keys
[19:53] <Red-Raven> I'm afraid i still don't get the difference. im pretty new still. almost 3 weeks with ubuntu :)
[19:54] <bodhizazen> and zsh will spell check commands, helpful for those with fat ingers and ast tyuping
[19:54] <bioterror> :D
[19:54] <bioterror> this is like tomato and tomeito
[19:54] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: There is not *that* much difference, especially to a novice
[19:54] <bodhizazen> many of the commands are the same
[19:55] <bioterror> actually they are the same
[19:55] <bioterror> ;D
[19:55] <bioterror> as he's going to do mkdir foo rm -r foo
[19:55] <bodhizazen> The syntax is sometimes subtly different though bioterror
[19:56] <bioterror> but I would say that with 3 weeks usage you should just stick with the bash and learn the basics
[19:56] <Red-Raven> yah i am.
[19:56] <bioterror> after getting familiar with it, you can try zsh and think if it's any better or if you can see the difference
[19:57] <Red-Raven> i probably wont notice, but i might give it a try anyways.
[19:57] <bodhizazen> You will notice a difference with tab compltion
[19:57] <bodhizazen> but if you try to use my .bashrc or .zshrc you need to install at least most
[19:58] <bodhizazen> most displays man pages in color
[19:58] <Red-Raven> cool.
[19:59] <bioterror> tomorrow bodhi gives you some guide how to use VIM ;)
[19:59] <bodhizazen> VIM FTW !!!!
[19:59] <bodhizazen> Although you need a vimrc =)
[19:59] <hobgoblin> and hope
[19:59] <bioterror> where he could get one... :D
[20:00] <Red-Raven> theres just so much to take in, its crazy. i didn't realize that when i got into linux, i would be learning about kernals, virtual machines, GRUB, distros, and all this other stuff. its awesome though.
[20:00] <bioterror> kernels
[20:00] <Red-Raven> yah sry.
[20:00] <hobgoblin> Red-Raven: one thing at a time
[20:00] <Red-Raven> never had good spelling.
[20:00] <bioterror> and you can run virtual machines on windows too
[20:01] <Red-Raven> ik. thats where i have Vbox set up. figured i find myself needing Linux more while in windows than visa versa.
[20:02] <bodhizazen> bioterror: mine is very basic
[20:02] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/vimrc
[20:02] <bodhizazen> and it would help if you had zenburn
[20:09] <Red-Raven> oh i just figued out what you were posting. its the source code you made to make your own version of the program right?
[20:38] <Red-Raven> is there any way you guys know of brute force wiping a USB from terminal? i have an old one that got a virus i think, and now its been write protected by it. ive plugged it into my laptop with ubuntu before and its all good, so i know its a windows virus (so my system is safe)
[20:38] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Write protection doesn't carry from Windows to Linux.
[20:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Is there perhaps a hardware switch on the drive? Some older USB drives have them.
[20:39] <Red-Raven> well some how it did. ive tried Gparted. and no theres no switch.
[20:40] <aveilleux> But that's not how filesystems work...
[20:40] <Red-Raven> what do you mean?
[20:41] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You can't lock an entire filesystem, unless it improperly mounts as ro (read-only), but Linux doesn't recognize Windows filesystem usage flags.
[20:42] <Red-Raven> ok.i'll pug it in then and seee what it says
[20:47] <Red-Raven> ive tried formating it to ext 4 and deleting it. ill try another format and it that doesn't work ill post the error.
[20:47] <nit-wit> bodhizazen, does grub2 chainload lilo
[20:47] <aveilleux> nit-wit: GRUB2 can chainload any bootloader
[20:47] <aveilleux> nit-wit: just about
[20:47] <Red-Raven> ok it has flag lba. does that mean anything?
[20:48] <nit-wit> aveilleux, thats what I thought, basically
[20:48] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Not in this context
[20:49] <Red-Raven> ok then. i have no clue. ill post the error.
[20:53] <Red-Raven> http://imagebin.org/132502
[20:54] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Is the drive mounted?
[20:54] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It shouldn't be
[20:55] <Red-Raven> its not.
[20:55] <Geo|Android> Hey guys. Just built a new box. Making the partitions. I have 1tb. How much should I format for swap?
[20:55] <JackyAlcine> Geo|Android: Swap's pretty slow, so I say 10GB.
[20:55] <Geo|Android> I have 4 gigs of ddr3 ram and 512mb ddr2 ram on my gpu
[20:56] <Red-Raven> isn't 1.5XRAM a good rule?
[20:56] <JackyAlcine> Geo|Android: yeah, 10GB's the way to go.
[20:56] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: try running sudo badblocks -v /dev/sdb
[20:56] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: I have 2GB swap
[20:56] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: You don't generally need more swap than you do RAM (not including GRAM)
[20:57] <Red-Raven> its running.
[21:00] <Geo|Android> Oh ok.
[21:05] <Red-Raven> aveilleux: 0 bad blocks found.
[21:06] <Red-Raven> is this a possible way to to wipe it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks its towards the bottom  but it says there's another way to scan for bad blocks that will wipe it in the process.
[21:07] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Try recreating the filesystem. Should be under "Device", choose "Create new partition table". Select DOS.
[21:08] <aveilleux> er, msdos
[21:08] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: you can not fix bad blocks on the hard drive
[21:08] <Red-Raven> just said error while partitioning.
[21:09] <Red-Raven> its a USB.
[21:09] <bodhizazen> You can try wiping the device with dev/zero and re-partitioning
[21:10] <Red-Raven> just type in "sudo dev/zero"?
[21:10] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
[21:10] <Red-Raven> ok.
[21:12] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29
[21:13] <Red-Raven> um, so dd copies?
[21:14] <Red-Raven> the USB light is blinking, but the terminal did nothing.
[21:14] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes, it does a bit-by-bit copy (basically a perfect copy)
[21:14] <bodhizazen> yep, but at a "low level" so to speak
[21:14] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: dd has no status output
[21:15] <Red-Raven> why would i want to copy this virus-infected thing onto my laptop?
[21:15] <bodhizazen> In Linux, no output from a command is often a successful command
[21:15] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You're not
[21:15] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You're doing the opposite
[21:15] <bodhizazen> Command lines should be driven, but not heard =)
[21:15] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You're writing all zeros (in binary) to the drive... that's what /dev/zero is
[21:15] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You're blanking everything off the drive and starting with a clean slate
[21:16] <Red-Raven> ....wow. finally. something that just blanks it without asking first.
[21:16] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: That's the danger of dd, it just happens without confirmation
[21:16] <Red-Raven> i'm keeping this command in mind.
[21:17] <Red-Raven> yah, but hopefully you only use it if you know you don't need what's on the drive.
[21:17] <Geo|Android> Should the type for swap be primary or logical?
[21:17] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: Doesn't really matter
[21:17] <bodhizazen> Geo|Android: you may not even need swap
[21:18] <Geo|Android> And for my /home? Logical?
[21:19] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: Again, doesn't really matter, all of my partitions are primary
[21:19] <Geo|Android> Ok.
[21:20] <Red-Raven> i had to mix and match. on primary i beleive holds all my ubuntu partitions.
[21:20] <Geo|Android> Is /boot going to be where the OS is?
[21:20] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: No, it's where the boot information for GRUB is stored.
[21:20] <Geo|Android> How much space should I partition for the os?
[21:21] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: You don't need all of these to be separate partitions
[21:21] <Geo|Android> Ok
[21:21] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: You can just make a /, /home and swap
[21:21] <Geo|Android> I just want swap / and home
[21:21] <Geo|Android> :)
[21:21] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: / can be something like 40 GB, swap is 4GB, and /home is the rest
[21:21] <Red-Raven> yay for simple partitions!
[21:22] <Geo|Android> Ext4 journaling for /?
[21:22] <Red-Raven> i have the same setup ^ (just with less in each)
[21:22] <aveilleux> Geo|Android: ext4 for / and /home
[21:22] <Red-Raven> i can post my Gparted if you want.
[21:23] <bodhizazen> 4 Gb swap is huge, how much of that do you use ?
[21:23] <bodhizazen> Just wondering
[21:23] <bodhizazen> With anything more then 2-3 Gb RAM I never use swap
[21:23] <bodhizazen> On a desktop
[21:23] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: My general rule is make just as much swap as RAM, just in case
[21:24] <bodhizazen> :facepalm:
[21:24] <Red-Raven> how do you tell besides guessing if your using it?
[21:24] <bodhizazen> free -m
[21:24] <Geo|Android> Yay. Thanks for all the help guys. :)
[21:24] <Red-Raven> have you installed linux before?
[21:25] <bodhizazen> aveilleux: swap was more important from the days when 64 Mb was a lot of RAM, in those days you extended ram w/ swap
[21:25] <bodhizazen> These days, with large RAM by default, the average desktop user never uses it
[21:26] <bodhizazen> you can almost certainly use swap of 512 mB - 1 Gb if you want to be 'safe"
[21:26] <Red-Raven> you can't really find a rig with less than 1GB i think. except for netbooks.
[21:26] <Geo|Android> I have 4gb ddr3 ram. I probably won't use it. But I also won't use 1tb for my /home folder.
[21:26] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: many times I have installed Linux
[21:26] <Geo|Android> So if the need arises, it's there.
[21:26] <Red-Raven> oh sorry that was @ Geo|Android.
[21:26] <bodhizazen> Geo|Android: I can use 1tb =)
[21:27] <bodhizazen> AV files / DVD and virtual machines will take up lots of HD space
[21:27] <bodhizazen> but 1 tb is a lot of space for text files
[21:27] <Red-Raven> and leave plenty of room for more OSs!
[21:28] <bodhizazen> Red-Raven: I use 10 - 15 Gb for / on most installs =)
[21:28] <Red-Raven> Geo|Android, have you installed ubuntu bofre?
[21:28] <Red-Raven> before*
[21:28] <bodhizazen> BUT, I keep a large data partition
[21:29] <Red-Raven> i gave my /home 50 Gb i think. the HDD is 250 GBso i can spare it. i still have a lot thats not used to.
[21:29] <Geo|Android> Once before Red-Raven
[21:30] <Geo|Android> Well. A long time ago too. Like 8.04.
[21:30] <Red-Raven> Geo|Android,  same. one laptop (Compaq presario) and one desktop (Dell dimension 3000)
[21:30] <Geo|Android> Second time installing 10.04 I just built a new box :)
[21:30] <Geo|Android> Time to go to work and let this install.
[21:31] <Geo|Android> Later guys
[21:42] <Red-Raven> yes. accept it stupid virus. you are dead. you will never infect any of my circuits again. go cry to mommy. (thanks for helping me out aveilleux! dd worked. now i can put all kinds of cool stuff like portably ubuntu on it!)
[21:42] <Red-Raven> portable*


[00:40] <igorov> hi all
[01:18] <satorisanja> Guten Morgen
[06:53] <Guest1894> ??
[06:54] <Guest1894> kubuntu in spanish
[06:54] <susundberg> Guest1894: see http://www.ubuntu-es.org/
[06:55] <susundberg> dont know if there is #kubuntu-es or #ubuntu-es, you might want try those out
[06:55] <Guest1894> thanks
[06:56] <susundberg> np!
[07:04] <jxjl> good morning, I have one problem with nfs I have nfs server configured in fstab like nas:public      /mnt/nas        nfs     hard,intr,user,auto     0       0 in kubuntu 11.10 I could see it under device notifer, but in 12.04 I can't, how to configure device notifer to show this device allowing simply mount it and unmount it?
[07:04] <bowo> tes
[07:04] <bowo> tes
[07:04] <bowo> tus
[07:04] <bowo> mumet aku
[07:04] <FloodBotK1> bowo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:18] <CruX|> hello
[09:18] <CruX|> in my 12.04 LDS krusader is very slow
[09:18] <CruX|> if I press enter on directory this dir is opened in 1-2 seconds !!!!!!!
[09:19] <CruX|> what is krusader doing ?
[09:27] <gini> crux - it's a file manager
[09:30] <CruX|> gini: i know
[09:30] <gini> cool
[09:31] <CruX|> in kubuntu 10.10 everything was fine
[09:31] <CruX|> in 12.04 something is fucked
[09:34] <Tm_T> CruX|: language, please
[11:40] <kai3uoDu> Hallo leute
[11:40] <kai3uoDu> ich hab da ne kleine frage:
[11:41] <lordievader> !german | kai3uoDu
[11:41] <kai3uoDu> Okay, sry
[11:45] <ubuntujuhth> klo
[12:01] <ubuntujuhth> klo
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <abra> abra kbroulik_ kbroulik VinyInBleau yupitsme baxeico bline khaya toscalix freedomrun kodomo Tifus cryptfu_ Cenbe Peace- yoann21 PhilRod mkuettler Battle_hardened_ liudas hadrian_ lyle_ rawler swex kraft saruman_ jtheuer Tonio_ timlaptop linuxguy101 sysdoc Facefox Rosha david__ nampat mr-rich robotdevil jhunold EyesIsMine IdleOne lelamal_ elst InspectorCluseau faichele emile lethu CruX|
[12:48] <liudas> BluesKaj: welcome :)
[12:50] <emperor234> hello
[12:50] <emperor234> i need help
[12:50] <szal> !help | emperor234
[12:57] <emperor234> my friends ... how activate compiz in kubuntu 12.04 ??
[12:57] <lordievader> emperor234: We got kwin for that, look in System Settings -> Desktop Effects.
[13:01] <emperor234> im use sudo compiz --replace and work !!!
[13:02] <lordievader> Is compiz even compatible with kde?
[13:02] <emperor234> i dont now
[13:02] <emperor234> sorry my english is very bad ...
[13:03] <lordievader> emperor234: Anyhow it is probably safer to just use kwin. Does most things that compiz does.
[13:23] <Oxymoron> In some mysterious way, I think when I tried to isntall Bank ID my user was removed from sudoers list though it modified it. Now I cannot do anything and I cannot change back, as it requires sudo rights ... So what the h*ll shall i do?
[13:24] <lordievader> Oxymoron: Edit the file through a live cd?
[13:24] <Oxymoron> lordievader: Is that really neessary?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, suso visudo doesn't open it?
[13:25] <lordievader> Oxymoron: It is the easiest way I can think of right now.
[13:25] <Oxymoron> I cannot understand how this even is possible. I havent done any weird things.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> err sudo visudo
[13:25] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: lol, not because sudo requires me to be in sudoers list ...
[13:25] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[13:26] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yes in terminal.
[13:26] <Oxymoron> I got user *** does not appear to be in sudoers list.
[13:26] <Oxymoron> lordievader: How can this even happen?
[13:27] <lordievader> Oxymoron: No idea...
[13:27] <Oxymoron> lordievader: You have rights and secutiry in Linux so nothing can change things if you do not let it.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, keep a backup
[13:28] <Oxymoron> I guess I need herd.
[13:28] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Backup of?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> the sudoers
[13:29] <BluesKaj> then you can restore it with the live cd
[13:29] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Even if I had, I would need sudoer rights to replace current one with the backup ...
[13:29] <lordievader> Oxymoron: Not if you are in the live-cd
[13:30] <Oxymoron> I chekced now and it seems like /etc/sudoers file is empty.
[13:30] <Oxymoron> There I lost my trust against Linux security.
[13:31] <Oxymoron> Cannot even restore this without a LiveCD. So much struggeling with LiveCD on USB stick.
[13:32] <lordievader> Oxymoron: That is why i allways keep a livecd laying around. In such cases :) (with me it is more fstab though)
[13:32] <Oxymoron> lordievader: I have LiveCD and USB. But I do not wnat to use it as it sucks. I want to fix it directly in Kubuntu desktop environment in terminal.
[13:34] <oCean> Oxymoron: you can boot your current install in rescue mode
[13:35] <Oxymoron> Find now that you can do it by using restore mode in Grub.
[13:35] <oCean> you will be dropped in a root shell
[13:35] <Oxymoron> oCean: Yes just found it, thanks good tip :) But what commands do I need to remember in my head?
[13:35] <Oxymoron> chmod, nano /etc/sudoers? more?
[13:35] <oCean> Oxymoron: also, if a 3rd party software install emptied your sudoers, that has nothing to do with general Linux security
[13:36] <oCean> Oxymoron: use visudo command, since that does a syntax check on exit
[13:37] <Oxymoron> oCean: What kind of 3rd party software could do that?
[13:38] <oCean> quote:  when I tried to isntall Bank ID my user was removed from sudoers lis
[13:39] <Oxymoron> oCean: I said I THINK it removed. Because in install it said I was not in sudoers list.
[13:39] <Oxymoron> But it has worked after that, so probably not that anyway.
[13:39] <Oxymoron> Some other crap breaked it. Could be some system update recently.
[13:39] <oCean> no
[13:39] <ikonia> no it's not
[13:40] <lordievader> If it would be an update, there would be more people with the problem.
[13:40] <Oxymoron> Havent installed anything else since that.
[13:40] <oCean> Oxymoron: what *could* be is that you tried to edit and made a mistake in trying to figure out why you got that notice ".. not in sudoers file"
[13:40] <Oxymoron> btw, what is the problem with kmix? It has been broken very long time now.
[13:40] <ikonia> Oxymoron: have you logged a bug
[13:40] <Oxymoron> oCean: No I didnt do anything to it.
[13:41] <ikonia> Oxymoron: please show me the output of ls -la /etc/sudoers
[13:41] <oCean> Oxymoron: ok, if you guarantee you did not do it, I guarantee updates did not do it
[13:41] <Oxymoron> ikonia: "-r--r----- 1 root root 723 jan 31 16:56 /etc/sudoers"
[13:41] <ikonia> Oxymoron: so that file has not been modified since january
[13:41] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Yeah ...
[13:42] <ikonia> Oxymoron: please show me the output of the command "id"
[13:42] <Oxymoron> ikonia: uid=1000(joel) gid=1000(joel) grupper=1000(joel),5(tty)
[13:42] <ikonia> there you go
[13:42] <ikonia> that is your issue
[13:42] <ikonia> your user is not in the admin group
[13:42] <oCean> also, that is not an empty file
[13:42] <ikonia> your sudoers file has not been touched
[13:42] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Alright, well I havent removed myself from admin group ...
[13:42] <ikonia> Oxymoron: that is also why your sounds is probably messed up
[13:42] <Oxymoron> So something else removed me.
[13:42] <ikonia> you are not a memeber of the audio gruop
[13:43] <ikonia> Oxymoron: who added you to the grupper group ?
[13:43] <ikonia> ooh, that's german for group
[13:43] <ikonia> sorry
[13:43] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Do you know how to add myself to both admin and audio?
[13:43] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Swedish
[13:43] <oCean> .. and some more default groups
[13:43] <ikonia> Oxymoron: you'll need to boot into single user mode (recovery mode) and use the command usermod
[13:43] <ikonia> Oxymoron: it would appear somewhere along the line you have changed your group settings or modified the group/password file
[13:45] <Oxymoron> ikonia: Yes probably.  And it shouldnt even be possible IMO to break it like that.
[13:48] <ikonia> you have
[13:48] <ikonia> it is user error, you have removed yourself from the admin group
[13:48] <ikonia> and of course it should be possible to break it like that
[13:49] <Oxymoron> Why would I remove myself from admin group? :D
[13:49] <ikonia> sudoers depends on the admin group, if you remove yourself from it, you will break it
[13:49] <Oxymoron> anyway thanks, I will fix this now. I do not want to argue about this anymore. Thanks for all help.
[13:49] <Oxymoron> my bad I guess
[13:51] <BluesKaj> he digs himself into more holes than anyone I can think of ...he'll be back soon
[13:51] <ikonia> I know
[13:51] <ikonia> I don't mind "I'm having a bad problem"
[13:52] <lordievader> That is something inexperience can get you...
[13:52] <ikonia> but the constant ranting about how poor and insecure linux is....that turns out to be user error is getting very old
[13:52] <BluesKaj> you can make a suggestion to him and he ends up arguing about it
[13:52] <lordievader> ikonia: Every time a human says it is a computer error, 90% of the time it is a user error.
[13:53] <Oxymoron> Sorry one more question. I boot from Windows MBR (Wubi) and I didnt get into grub menu where to choose rescue mode. How to enter rescue mode after I pressed Kubuntu from Windows MBR menu?
[13:53] <jussi> What is the recommended way to reset my kde settings to default? (and if anyone says to remove my .kde I shall shoot them)
[13:54] <Oxymoron> jussi: lol :D
[13:54] <ikonia> Oxymoron: wubi, I have no iddea
[13:54] <Tm_T> jussi: what settings? I believe on ~every configuration section on system settings have this "reset to defaults" button at the bottom left
[13:54] <Oxymoron> ikonia: One option is to boot into Windows and modify MBR to boot into grub. But requires double reboot ...
[13:54] <ikonia> idea even
[13:54] <lordievader> jussi: Oke I won't say remove, but move :P Why don't you want to do that, the whole removing thing?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, you're running wubi and you didn't even mention that
[13:55] <jussi> Tm_T: I want my default desktop back. so all of them, but not application settigns.
[13:55] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Well I didnt think it was important ... but I realised it now.
[13:55] <jussi> lordievader: mail gone, other data gone
[13:55] <jussi> no thanks
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, never assume
[13:56] <jussi> I dont want all my applications reset, just my kde desktop
[13:56] <Tm_T> jussi: so plasma, widgets and windowmanager, I'd use the "reset to defaults" button on those parts, or remove the related files
[13:56] <lordievader> jussi: That is what I would say, remove the related files.
[13:56] <Oxymoron> lordievader: Well user error can also mean it is user error from devs aka bug ...
[13:56] <lordievader> Or move or rename.
[13:56] <jussi> oh, and while we are at it, can I have oxygen back also :/
[13:56] <Tm_T> jussi: if you go removing files, you better be logged out from the desktop while doing that
[13:57] <lordievader> Oxymoron: See user error. The computer will just compute numbers.
[13:57] <jussi> Tm_T: IM not removing anything, I want the real way - so where are these reset to defaults you talk about ?
[13:57] <Tm_T> jussi: which oxygen? oxygen plasma theme? oxygen widget theme? oxygen window theme? oxygen icon theme? (:
[13:57] <Oxymoron> jussi: I also wondered about that. If everything freaks up, I want to reset everything, except user apps.  What I meant is that it automaticly is my or any other persons fault if things like kmix is broken for instance. It can be my fault, but it doesnt need to be.
[13:59] <Tm_T> jussi: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/jussi-reset.png see the bottom left corner? it has a button "defaults" (:
[13:59] <jussi> Tm_T: ie. system settings -> application appearance -> style
[13:59] <Tm_T> yup
[14:00] <Tm_T> jussi: is kde-style-oxygen installed?
[14:00] <jussi> Tm_T: unfortunately that puts it back to plastique... :/
[14:01] <jussi> Reading state information... Done
[14:01] <jussi> kde-style-oxygen is already the newest version.
[14:01] <Tm_T> jussi: if that package is installed, is /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/oxygen/metadata.desktop there?
[14:01] <jussi> yes
[14:02] <Tm_T> hmmm, interesting
[14:02] <Tm_T> what changes if you reinstall that package and relogin after that? (:
[14:02] <Tm_T> gotta jump to bus, back in a moment or few
[14:13] <robotdevil> is there a way to make mouse back and forward control dolphin
[14:15] <Tm_T> jussi: any luck?
[14:17] <jussi> Tm_T: nope
[14:19] <Tm_T> very interesting
[14:19] <Tm_T> jussi: and it appears just fine when you try it with newly created user account?
[14:22] <jussi> Tm_T: not sure, havent tried creating one yet
[14:23] <Tm_T> try, that's an easy test to see if it's systemwide or just your settings
[14:25] <Oxymoron> Hi, my touchpad doesnt work and I cannot do anything graphicly. How to restore touchpad?
[14:25] <Oxymoron> It broke from latest upgrades
[14:27] <Oxymoron> Seriously my system fails more annd more.
[14:28] <Oxymoron> Cannot even reboot from terminal ...
[14:28] <HelenB> Okay I try to connect to my computer via bluetooth and it fails. Both computer and phone are paired and my phone is marked as trusted on my computer. What do I do?
[14:28] <HelenB> Yes I'm obviously using BlueDevil.
[14:30] <HelenB> Oxymoron: lol
[14:31] <ikonia> HelenB: what application are you using to connect /
[14:31] <HelenB> ikonia, <HelenB> Yes I'm obviously using BlueDevil
[14:31] <HelenB> My phone is an LG Pop
[14:31] <ikonia> ok, I'm not aware of that application, what's the actual issue ?
[14:32] <HelenB> ikonia, <HelenB> Okay I try to connect to my computer via bluetooth and it fails
[14:32] <HelenB> It just wont connect
[14:32] <HelenB> that's as detailed as I can get it
[14:32] <ikonia> HelenB: you said it was already paired, so it has already connected at a high level
[14:33] <ikonia> so what are you doing when you say "connecT"
[14:33] <HelenB> yes
[14:33] <HelenB> but then when I click connect on my phone
[14:33] <HelenB> it wont connect
[14:33] <HelenB> it fails
[14:33] <ikonia> connect on your phone ?
[14:33] <ikonia> what does connect actually do ?
[14:33] <ikonia> in terms of functionality
[14:33] <HelenB> connect to my computer from my phone
[14:33] <ikonia> it's already connected, so what does the connect actually do
[14:34] <HelenB> ikonia, Every phone I've known wants to connect after it's paired
[14:35] <ikonia> can you please define what "connect" does
[14:35] <HelenB> idk
[14:35] <Tm_T> hmm, checks other end's services perhaps
[14:35] <ikonia> normally you'll use individual applications, or section of applications to access data on the phone
[14:35] <HelenB> Tm_T, tried
[14:35] <ikonia> connect appears to be a generic phrase which isn't doing anything
[14:35] <HelenB> ikonia, I want to browse the files of my computer
[14:35] <robotdevil> so my computer is not set to install updates without confirmation or anything like that I know of, and without clicking on any update/package manager the computer wanted password
[14:36] <ikonia> if you said "I'm trying to open the phone's ram as a file system" I'd understand that
[14:36] <HelenB> My computer is set to allow that
[14:36] <ikonia> have you looked if you phone is compatible ?
[14:36] <HelenB> No
[14:36] <HelenB> I'm trying to browse the computers Public files
[14:36] <HelenB> My phone is compatible
[14:37] <HelenB> I've done this in the past
[14:37] <ikonia> ok, so you've phones browser functionliaty will need to use a protocol/application to query your computers file system
[14:37] <ikonia> HelenB: ok, so you've used this same phone to do this on kubuntu before ?
[14:37] <ikonia> (or same make/model I should say)
[14:37] <HelenB> Fedora
[14:37] <ikonia> ok, fedora, using the same tool ?
[14:37] <HelenB> yes
[14:37] <ikonia> can you check the versions of the product on each system, see if they are reasonably close ?
[14:38] <HelenB> I don't have Fedora anymore
[14:38] <ikonia> no, but you can check the version that comes with the version you where using
[14:38] <HelenB> I can't remember which version of Fedora I was using.
[14:39] <ikonia> then you need to check it
[14:39] <HelenB> I can't because I can't remember.
[14:39] <ikonia> gathering the info is something you need to take responsability
[14:39]  * HelenB sighs
[14:39] <ikonia> sighing won't help
[14:39] <HelenB> I had Fedora years ago, okay?
[14:39] <ikonia> getting useful information will
[14:39] <ikonia> ok, so this same phone used to work with the same kde application years ago ?
[14:40] <ikonia> (on fedora)
[14:40] <HelenB> It was a gnome app that I used years ago
[14:40] <ikonia> right
[14:40] <HelenB> the bluetooth utility that comes bundled with gnome
[14:40] <ikonia> so when I asked earlier if you had it working with kubuntu...and you said "yes on fedora" that implies kde
[14:40] <ikonia> so checking the phone compatability list with the kde application set is worth doing
[14:41] <ikonia> gnome compatability has no relevence to kde compatability
[14:41] <HelenB> I don't get why I'd need to check compatibility
[14:42] <HelenB> I thought all phones were compatible
[14:42] <ikonia> well, seeing a device is compatible is the first step
[14:42] <ikonia> no, they are not
[14:42] <ikonia> they will be compatible with the bluetooth protocol which is "connection"
[14:42] <ikonia> but the applications need to interact with the phone to offer/give data
[14:42] <HelenB> I'm able to send and recieve files on both ends
[14:43] <ikonia> ? and
[14:43] <HelenB> just not browse them
[14:43] <ikonia> is send/recieve files the same application component as browse ?
[14:44] <HelenB> ikonia, Sorry I'm a noob.
[14:44] <ikonia> no need to be sorry
[14:44] <ikonia> it's not a problem to be new
[14:44] <ikonia> It's a little tricky as I don't know the application you are using personally
[14:47] <ikonia> HelenB: is the bluedevil application used to manage the connection, or does it have the ability to do things, such as pull files from the phone etc
[14:47] <HelenB> ikonia, It's a bluetooth manager
[14:47] <HelenB> and yes I can send/receive with it
[14:47] <ikonia> so it only just manages the connection
[14:47] <ikonia> it doesn't actually do anything
[14:47] <ikonia> oh, it does ?
[14:48] <HelenB> It does.
[14:49] <ikonia> can you browse your phone's file system from it ?
[14:49] <HelenB> No
[14:49] <HelenB> but BlueDevil has settings for that.
[14:49] <HelenB> and I've enabled them
[14:49] <ikonia> does that work ?
[14:50] <HelenB> not so far
[14:51] <ikonia> ok, so that suggests that, the browse functionliaty may either need configuring or it doesn't work
[14:51] <ikonia> as you can't go either way
[15:31] <rangergord> hi
[15:32] <rangergord> why would the kftpgrabber package, described as "FTP client for KDE", require me to download tons of Gnome and Mono libs?
[15:38] <rangergord> nm, I know why. considering kftpgrabber crashed during a simple file transfer, I can safely assume it's just a poorly-coded POS. :)
[15:38] <io_> qualcuno parla italiano???
[15:39] <io_> no vero???
[15:39] <lordievader> !italian | io_
[15:39] <io_> -_-
[15:40] <io_> thanks
[15:40] <lordievader> io_: No problem :)
[16:21] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[16:21] <Flporter> does the kubuntu installer support btrfs as rootfs?
[17:51] <Alumin> is there any way to get Apper to stop notifying me of the pending Precise update every 5 minutes?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> Alumin, system settings>application and system notifications>other notifications, uncheck upgrade information
[17:55] <Alumin> cool, thanks
[17:56] <Alumin> didn't necessarily want to disable it entirely, but that frequency is just too much :)
[17:56] <Alumin> ...and, it just did it again :P
[17:57] <BluesKaj> Alumin, sometimes it takes a relogin for these settings to stick
[17:57] <Alumin> ok
[17:58] <onet> Hi, its possible run script from ksnapshot? example: ./upload.py /tmp/imagetakenftomksnapshot?
[18:38] <riccardo> ciao
[19:12]  * crack05 is away (Gone)
[19:27] <fasta> What's the exact command that get's executed when 'open terminal here' is pressed?
[19:37] <lordievader> fasta: Probably something like cd <path-to-dir>
[19:37] <fasta> lordievader: I already know the answer and no.
[19:37] <lordievader> fasta: What is it then?
[19:38] <fasta> lordievader: konsole --workdir %f
[19:39] <lordievader> Ok, well good to know :)
[20:11] <MKay2> is there a german channel for kubuntu?
[20:12] <Pici> MKay2: #kubuntu-de
[20:12] <MKay2> thx
[20:14] <onet> i have problem with default browser
[20:14] <onet> how to set firefox?
[20:16] <Hamra> System Settings ==> default applications ==> Web Browser
[20:18] <onet> Hamra: i have firefox there
[20:18] <onet> but if i type x-www-browser in console, then start reconq
[20:18] <onet> how to set firefox to x-www-browser?
[20:24] <Hamra> onet: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[20:24] <genii-around> Yup
[20:25] <onet> i have there on 0 and 1 firefox
[20:25] <onet> but always open 2 - reconq ;/
[20:27] <onet> thanks
[20:27] <onet> its work now
[20:27] <Hamra> you're welcome :)
[20:38] <openos> Hi EveryOne ???
[20:38] <openos> Why I can't Install Deb files In Kubuntu
[20:39] <openos> When i Try To Install for example Google chrome Deb
[20:39] <openos> The gdeb said finish but nothing installed In My System
[20:41] <openos> Help ??
[20:43] <AngelForget> openos, you need the welp?
[20:44] <openos> I Need The Help
[20:44] <openos> Why I can't Install Deb files In Kubuntu
[20:44] <AngelForget> install gdebi
[20:45] <openos> I Already Have Gdebi
[20:46] <openos> But When I try to Install Somthing she Said Finished But Nothing Installed On My System
[20:47] <AngelForget> ummm............is strange
[20:47] <openos> Can You Help
[20:54] <elepage> Anyone know how to add an LDAP address book? I don't have the LDAP entry in "Add address book"
[21:55] <JMichael|work> i was hoping that the upgrade to 4.8.3 would reduce the crashiness of the netbook UI on my dell mini 9, but it did not. additionally, it is seeming a good bit more sluggish now
[23:03] <kaddi> downgrade from 12.04 to 11.10 isn't really possible, right? I would have to do a fresh install
[23:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> what is wrong with your 12.04
[23:04] <kaddi> it keeps crashing, skype doesn't work. luminosity-changes aren't applied
[23:05] <kaddi> amarok is going crazy, crashing regularly
[23:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm and you have tryed to fix that im taking it
[23:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> wow
[23:05] <kaddi> well i started trying to fix it, but it's just getting too much
[23:05] <kaddi> 11.10 was working flawlessly
[23:05] <kaddi> i'm really regretting the upgrade
[23:05] <kaddi> and honestly
[23:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> well looks like youll have to reinstall  to get back i guess
[23:06] <kaddi> it's not like there wer some ground-breaking changes under the hood
[23:06] <kaddi> i don't quite see why so much had to break
[23:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> did you do the upgrade to 12.04
[23:06] <kaddi> yeah
[23:07] <kaddi> about 3 weeks ago
[23:07] <kaddi> so not immediately after
[23:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm well wonder if you did a fresh install of 12.04 it would work
[23:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> might not want to go thru that tho
[23:08] <kaddi> if I have to reinstall, I'll go with something I know to be working, i think ;p
[23:09] <mydogsnameisrudy> i guess i would too
[23:11] <kaddi> well not tonight that's for sure.. I kinda hope it'll fix itself with the updates at some point
[23:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> well have fun with it anyway ;)
[23:12] <kaddi> hehe, i'll try :p
[23:12] <kaddi> thanks and goodnight
[23:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep


[18:21] <ochosi> flocculant, bluesabre: sorry was mostly afk these last days, but the plan was that i do a greybird release and then we get an upload
[19:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: oh good, I hadn't started poking it yet
[19:20] <bluesabre> ochosi: eta on the release?
[20:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: too tired to look at it tonight, but i think i can get it done by tomorr
[20:16] <ochosi> ow
[20:16] <bluesabre> ochosi: np :)
[20:17] <ochosi> you can get notifyd 0.3.0 packaged for us meanwhile ;)
[20:17] <bluesabre> possibly
[20:17] <bluesabre> or try to knock the exo release out
[20:18] <bluesabre> been goofing off today, packaged up some fonts https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/fonts :)
[20:44] <ochosi> wth is powerline?
[20:46] <ochosi> i wonder whether i could get used to fira code
[20:46] <ochosi> hmpf, doesn't work in xfce4-terminal anyway..
[20:46] <ochosi> guess it must be libvte if gnome-terminal also doesn't work
[20:49] <bluesabre> yes
[20:50] <bluesabre> powerline is just a fancy terminal/vim prompt
[20:52] <bluesabre> http://imgur.com/a/apjnm
[20:52] <bluesabre> https://github.com/powerline/powerline
[20:56] <ochosi> oh, a-ha
[20:58] <ochosi> fancy
[20:58] <ochosi> a bit too fancy for me maybe :)
[20:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: We's got an email, btw.
[21:00] <bluesabre> "theme split done in Ubuntu/Debian"?
[21:00] <Unit193> Yeeeep.
[21:02] <bluesabre> indeed


[08:02]  * PaulW2U counts summaries - 21 still to be done :(
[21:14]  * PaulW2U counts summaries again - 16 or so left :(
[21:16]  * pleia2 nods
[21:16] <pleia2> I'll work on some in a bit if we don't have more folks come out of the woodwork


[09:26] <codd> bonjour
[09:27] <cfhowlett> codd, greetings
[09:28] <cub> codd, goddag
[09:29] <codd> hi
[09:29] <codd>  i have a pb please
[09:29] <codd> i can't log with my personnal account on my ubuntus system
[09:29] <cfhowlett> codd, error messages?
[09:30] <codd> but when i am on command line with another user it is possible
[09:30] <codd> no error
[09:30] <codd> no error on the loging page
[09:31] <cub> sounds like you have another keyboard layout on the login page?
[09:33] <codd> Jan 11 06:42:27 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "sonfack"
[09:34] <codd> message from the /var/log/auth.log
[09:35] <codd> Jan 11 06:43:02 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "sonfack"
[09:35] <codd> Jan 11 06:43:06 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm:session): session closed for user lightdm
[09:35] <codd> i have check the keyboard and i is good
[09:35] <codd> no pb on keyboard
[09:36] <codd> message from the auth.log file : Jan 11 06:43:02 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "sonfack"
[09:36] <codd> Jan 11 06:43:06 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm:session): session closed for user lightdm
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:43:07 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "sonfack"
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:43:46 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "sonfack"
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:44:01 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm:session): session closed for user lightdm
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:44:01 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm:session): session opened for user sonfack by (uid=0)
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:44:01 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_ck_connector(lightdm:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:44:01 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm:session): session opened for user lightdm by (uid=0)
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:44:01 sonfack-HP-625 lightdm: pam_ck_connector(lightdm:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0
[09:37] <codd> Jan 11 06:44:01 sonfack-HP-625 dbus[1034]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.96" (uid=104 pid=4389 comm="/usr/sbin/lightdm-gtk-greeter ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.13" (uid=0 pid=1630 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
[09:39] <cfhowlett> !paste|codd,
[09:39] <codd> and i have many users accound on the machine but only the account having the user name "sonfack" wich is diterbing
[09:39] <codd> ok
[17:32] <seb_kuzminsky> what's the apt source line for the ubuntu studio deb archive?
[17:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd like to add it to my sources.list on my vanilla ubuntu precise machine, to fetch the realtime kernel
[18:23] <beefsalad> its not eufi friendly seb_kuzminsky
[18:23] <beefsalad> just an fyi
[19:00] <seb_kuzminsky> beefsalad: eufi?
[19:11] <beefsalad> uefi sorry
[19:43] <seb_kuzminsky> my computer does not boot with uefi
[19:43] <seb_kuzminsky> let me ask my question another way...  where can i download the ubuntu studio realtime kernel?
[21:32] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: its in the main ubuntu repositories.. but, its not a "realtime kernel"
[21:32] <holstein> !info linux-lowlatency
[21:33] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: i would try the generic, however, and see if it suits your needs.. we dont have a lowlatency kernel with uefi AFAIK
[21:34] <holstein> as you can see here https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel even upstream is not creating an RT kernel.. though, you are always welcome to build and run whatever kernel you like.. or use a PPA
[21:36] <seb_kuzminsky> holstein: thank you for that information
[21:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i was following the info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[21:36] <seb_kuzminsky> which claims there's an -rt kernel flavor available, but i guess it's outdated (i know how hard it is to keep wikis up to date...)
[21:37] <seb_kuzminsky> debian *is* shipping an rtpreempt kernel: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-amd64
[21:37] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: there are only 2 reason to need low latency.. software synths and realtime effects
[21:37] <holstein> just becuase you are using those dont mean you *need* a realtime kernel
[21:37] <seb_kuzminsky> heh, i'm from #linuxcnc (www.linuxcnc.org), we use a realtime kernel to drive multi-ton, multi-horsepower metalworking machines ;-)
[21:38] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: you dont need to
[21:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i respectfully disagree
[21:38] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: its literaly what its made, and labled, and designed for
[21:38] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: i mean, im sure you can tweak it, but you can do that do a stock kernel
[21:39] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: you should try a generic kernel that support uefi and get a system booting, and do some tests, and see what you need
[21:39] <seb_kuzminsky> for years now we've used rtai, and shipped our own kernel packages, we're very excited to use more standard realtime kernels that are more widely used
[21:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i know exactly what we need: scheduling latency in the single-digit microsecond range
[21:39] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: you can use whatever kernel you like in ubuntu. we dont, and wont have any more realtime kernels
[21:40] <seb_kuzminsky> this is to clock out step signals to stepper motors, etc
[21:40] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: if you want to add it, add it.. the argument we are nearly having is irrelevant
[21:40] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: we will not have a realtime kernel in the repos
[21:40] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, well, thanks for your help
[21:40] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: you can add one, and are welcome and encouraged to
[21:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i wasn't asking you to do any work, i was only asking if the kernel that's advertised on that wiki page was available in a deb archive somewhere
[21:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i hear you that it's not, and that's no problem
[21:41] <holstein> seb_kuzminsky: ppa's are where i would look.. the kxstudio ppa's
[21:41] <seb_kuzminsky> ah!  ok, i'll check that one out, thanks :-)
[21:41] <holstein> there are also liquorix..
[22:10] <beefsalad> seb_kuzminsky: heavy-freaking-metal!
[22:10] <beefsalad> can I borrow your CNC?
[22:11] <seb_kuzminsky> heh, sure, you in Colorado, USA?  come on by and we'll build some stuff!  :-)
[22:11] <beefsalad> no, but I'd make a trip for it!
[22:11] <beefsalad> uber-cheap AR-15 lowers have always been appealing ;)
[22:12] <seb_kuzminsky> we have a big get-together once per year, usually in Wichita, Kansas, anyone's welcome
[22:12] <beefsalad> and a billion other projects I've dreamed about over the years
[22:12] <beefsalad> awesome!  I have a buddy in Wichita
[22:12] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, and to keep this conversation on-topic, one of our sillier hackers wrote a gcode program that moves stepper motors at specific speeds to generate sounds, to play the song "daisy"
[22:13] <beefsalad> lol
[22:13] <seb_kuzminsky> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0re79zEX5A
[22:14] <beefsalad> no speakers on this machine yet
[22:15] <seb_kuzminsky> tbh you're not missing much ;-)
[22:15] <seb_kuzminsky> it's like that old video of a floppy drive playing the imperial march
[22:17] <seb_kuzminsky> though the definitive example of the genre is surely the Old Computer Remix of the House of the Rising Sun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w68qZ8JvBds
[22:17] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i'll stop spamming your channel now, by folks!  come see us in #linuxcnc if this kind of stuff interest you
[22:20] <beefsalad> hehe yeah
[22:20] <beefsalad> floppy drives, scanners, printers, and now a CNC machine