[08:44] <izarry> Hello po ..
[22:38] <MarkDude> Malapit na
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[22:38] <MarkDude> Well sha :D


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[17:48] <thebwt> That's how chanserv runs things
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[17:08] <czajkowski> pleia2: beuno ping
[17:08] <beuno> czajkowski, on an interview call, sorry  :(
[17:08]  * pleia2 waves
[17:08] <czajkowski> just trying to round up folks for the CC meeting
[17:08] <czajkowski> only 2 of us?
[17:08] <czajkowski> hmmm
[17:08] <czajkowski> less than good
[17:09] <mdz> cjwatson and I are around for the TB catch-up
[17:09] <pleia2> great
[17:10] <czajkowski> ok just you and me pleia2
[17:10] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
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[17:10] <pleia2> week after UDS is always hard
[17:10] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgendatodays agenda
[17:10] <czajkowski> #topic TB Catch up
[17:11] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:11] <pleia2> (just cleaning up the link for minutes :))
[17:11] <czajkowski> mdz: cjwatson thanks for coming along
[17:11] <czajkowski> pleia2: thank you
[17:12] <pleia2> mdz, cjohnston, this is just a quick status check, how are things doing? any concerns?
[17:13] <mdz> pleia2, there are a few things worth discussing I think
[17:13] <mdz> first the administrative
[17:13] <mdz> we seem to have had quite some difficulty scheduling meetings lately
[17:14] <pleia2> oops, s/cjohnston/cjwatson
[17:14] <mdz> not with attendance per se, but with people having different ideas of when the meeting was scheduled
[17:14] <mdz> due to there being multiple resources for that
[17:14] <pleia2> yeah, so there is the wiki, fridge calendar
[17:14] <czajkowski> mdz: nods, always hard.
[17:14] <mdz> there's also a Canonical calendar
[17:15] <czajkowski> mdz: could the person who's due to chair send out a a day before reminder so people remember to turn up?
[17:15] <mdz> and sometimes any two of them may disagree, and it's frustrating for folks who have adapted their schedules to attend meetings in the evenings etc.
[17:15] <mdz> czajkowski, yes, but that just creates one MORE place where the meeting time is recorded :-)
[17:15] <pleia2> since the TB isn't all Canonical, and we want to encourage community to see what happens at these meetings, should probably make sure wiki and fridge agree and go with that as the canonical calendar (er, little "c" canonical :))
[17:15] <mdz> is it the time in the email? or what the calendar says?
[17:16] <mdz> I wondered what other teams are doing, and whether we could simplify to only ONE authoritative schedule
[17:16] <mdz> whether that's the fridge calendar, or something else
[17:16] <mdz> and remove the others so there's no misunderstanding
[17:16] <pleia2> yeah
[17:16] <mdz> historically, this was problematic for various reasons
[17:16] <pleia2> fridge is what the community largely uses
[17:16] <mdz> e.g. google calendar losing its mind on DST changes
[17:17] <mdz> or the right people not having access to change it
[17:17] <cjwatson> I'm in principle here, but may have to leave at mid-meeting as I'm approaching EOD
[17:17] <pleia2> I'd suggest adding the time as reykjavik, iceland - always UTC, no DST
[17:17]  * stgraber waves (in the middle of something but on IRC if needed)
[17:17] <cjwatson> the other people in this case was me not moderating list mail until late, but that was just a screw-up, I did at least barely remember in time
[17:17] <cjwatson> s/people/problem/
[17:18] <czajkowski> mdz: possibly just the fridge and then if people want to add an ical feed for their own use fine, but the fridge would always be right
[17:18] <cjwatson> I think just the fridge is fine as long as we agree; didn't that use to be synced from google calendar?
[17:18] <pleia2> fridge is a google calendar
[17:19] <mdz> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar the recommended approach is to create the event on your own calendar, and invite the fridge to it
[17:19] <pleia2> and if any changes are ever needed and don't show up, you just swing by #ubuntu-news and give us a nudge
[17:19] <pleia2> mdz: yeah, you can also ask the news team directly to add stuff
[17:19] <mdz> OK, I'll do that then
[17:19] <pleia2> great
[17:20] <mdz> second topic is a small governance thing
[17:20] <mdz> I'm listed as the "chair" of the TB, and have been since approximately the dawn of time
[17:20] <mdz> but AFAIK that role is completely undefined, and I don't think it exists in practice
[17:21] <cjwatson> in practice we rotate chairship from meeting to meeting
[17:21] <mdz> in terms of the meeting chair, yes
[17:21] <mdz> and I don't think there's a need for any other kind of chair
[17:21] <mdz> all of the members of the TB are (should be) in equal standing
[17:21] <czajkowski> nods
[17:21] <czajkowski> that's how I saw it at least from the outside
[17:22] <mdz> how would we go about making that official?
[17:22] <pleia2> on the CC the Chair is responsible for tie-breaking
[17:22] <cjwatson> Where's that documented for the TB?  Just the wiki and maybe a copy on the website?
[17:22] <pleia2> I think there is a wiki page somewhere outlining this, but I'm having trouble finding it
[17:23] <cjwatson> I believe our official tie-break procedure is to invoke sabdfl; I can't recall ever needing it
[17:23] <czajkowski> pleia2: ah I assumed on the CC as we rotate the chair, it was equal standing only sabdfl had tie-breaking
[17:23] <mdz> cjwatson, yes and yes
[17:23] <pleia2> czajkowski: that's meeting chair, this is full council chair (sabdfl is ours)
[17:23] <mdz> I don't think it has happened once in practice in 8 years
[17:24] <mdz> cjwatson, website for sure
[17:24] <czajkowski> pleia2: ahh ok, this is where the term chair should possibly be defined then tbh, as chair has always been rotated on all boards with equal standing except CC which has mark as chair chair
[17:24] <pleia2> mdz: sabdfl likes the idea of chairs, so I think we might want to defer this for feedback from him too (he may have a clearer picture or remember where we documented the role)
[17:24] <cjwatson> We used to be closer to it when we were responsible for developer approval, but with the odd exception most other matters that come to us seem to be relatively consensual at least among the board
[17:24] <mdz> I don't think it's causing any problem per se, but it seemed like a rough edge worth reviewing
[17:25] <mdz> pleia2, if it's to be an official role, it should be elected
[17:25] <pleia2> czajkowski: in theory membership boards have "chair" or "secretary" as well, who is also responsible for making sure the stuff gets done (team reports, meetings happen)
[17:25] <cjwatson> back in Oxford in 2004 I'm sure I remember an explicit idea that Mark would break ties on the CC and TB
[17:25] <mdz> cjwatson, that matches my recollection
[17:25] <cjwatson> The notion drifted for a while because Mark also sat directly on both
[17:26] <pleia2> ok, so I think we want to determine what the role is supposed to be, and then take the conversation from there
[17:26] <cjwatson> Then he decided he wanted to step down from a direct seat on the TB, but I don't think that ever superseded his general benevolent-dictator role
[17:27] <pleia2> ah
[17:27] <mdz> pleia2, so that's a CC action then?
[17:27] <pleia2> yeah, I'll take it
[17:27] <pleia2> czajkowski: action me to look into definition of chair on these boards and follow up with CC and TB?
[17:27] <czajkowski> #action pleia2 to start a thread on the role of a chair on boards
[17:27] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to start a thread on the role of a chair on boards
[17:27] <mdz> thanks
[17:27] <pleia2> thanks :D
[17:28] <czajkowski> pleia2: np sorry in 2 meetings at once :)
[17:28] <czajkowski> any other comments from the TB members?
[17:28] <mdz> in general, the various descriptions of the TB's role feel dated these days
[17:29] <mdz> they talk about library versions and feature goals and so on
[17:29] <mdz> and don't really capture that, at the scale Ubuntu operates at today, the TB isn't involved day to day in any routine decision making
[17:30] <mdz> the de facto scope of the TB is to offer assistance in exceptional cases
[17:30] <czajkowski> mdz: would it be an idea for the board to update the description and mail the CC afterwards for review?
[17:30] <mdz> for example, if a team needs specific technical advice, or is having trouble reaching a consensus
[17:30] <cjwatson> gah, we didn't get rid of all that library versions stuff?  I thought we nuked that from our own description a while back
[17:31] <mdz> cjwatson, it's still on http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance
[17:31] <mdz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard is a little less specific but still doesn't describe the present scope very well IMO
[17:31] <cjwatson> grumble.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard is marginally better but could still use improvement.
[17:31] <mdz> czajkowski, we could do that
[17:32] <pleia2> it doesn't strictly need our review, but we can offer feedback if needed
[17:32] <mdz> does that content belong on the website or on the wiki? it should only be in one place
[17:32] <mdz> I think for most teams, it's in the wiki
[17:32] <pleia2> the trouble with ubuntu.com is it requires a ticket and follow-up, it takes a while, so we want to make the website docs as simplified as possible
[17:32] <mdz> but the CC, TB and SABDFL also have (redundant?) content on the website
[17:33] <pleia2> yeah :\
[17:33] <pleia2> that has never been coordinated very well, I don't know who writes the content for the website or who they work with in the community
[17:33] <mdz> heh, it even says that the TB meetings alternate with CC, which I don't think is particularly accurate
[17:34] <mdz> pleia2, if you could let us know where the verbage should go, I can take a stab at writing it
[17:34] <pleia2> mdz: I'd say update the wiki and then we'll worry about the website
[17:34] <cjwatson> I think the last time we talked about this I pared down the website content to be just our headline description; I should have gone further and made it a link
[17:34] <mdz> ok
[17:34] <pleia2> cjwatson: yeah
[17:35] <pleia2> czajkowski: can you action mdz to update TB docs?
[17:35] <mdz> those are the things which came to mind for me
[17:35] <mdz> pleia2, I've got it
[17:35] <czajkowski> #action mdz update the TB docs
[17:35] <pleia2> thanks
[17:35] <meetingology> ACTION: mdz update the TB docs
[17:35] <mdz> we'll track it as a TB action
[17:35] <pleia2> great
[17:36] <mdz> cjwatson, anything else?
[17:37] <mdz> czajkowski, pleia2, is this the kind of thing you were looking for in the catch-up? this is the first one I've participated in
[17:37] <pleia2> mdz: yep! thanks for coming
[17:37] <czajkowski> mdz: yes thanks
[17:37] <mdz> the email mentioned "reviewing team reports together"
[17:37] <czajkowski> always nice to see how other boards are doing
[17:37] <czajkowski> mdz: indeed some boards do a monthly team report
[17:38] <pleia2> mdz: just under "might" cover :)
[17:38] <mdz> we used to do that, but AFAIK it was never more than a concatenation of the meeting minutes
[17:38] <mdz> do you want to look at those and let us know if you have any questions?
[17:38] <cjwatson> I fill in the TeamReports thing when I remember, which gets automatically concatenated
[17:38] <cjwatson> We have been extremely quiet of late, in general; not much stuff has come to us
[17:38] <czajkowski> nofd
[17:38] <pleia2> the benefit of team reports is they end up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports which is included in UWN so the broader community has a place to go to see all reports
[17:39] <czajkowski> nofd
[17:39] <cjwatson> For the most part I view this as a good sign since our scope has been moving in the direction of dispute resolution
[17:39] <mdz> oh, one other thing
[17:39] <cjwatson> We've had some discussions about being more proactive about "issues of the day", but they haven't tended to come to much and perhaps they're not a god idea
[17:39] <cjwatson> *good
[17:39] <czajkowski> cjwatson: at least you discussed it
[17:39] <mdz> the one recurring task (self)assigned to the TB, we've had trouble actually doing
[17:39] <czajkowski> :)
[17:39] <mdz> that being the brainstorm reviews
[17:40] <pleia2> mdz: is anyone else formally reviewing brainstorm?
[17:40] <mdz> pleia2, there are moderators who help garden it
[17:40] <mdz> pleia2, but "review" is maybe a misleading name for what was intended on behalf of the TB
[17:41] <pleia2> yeah, I think the idea of TB "review" was to find actionable development items
[17:41] <mdz> the goal was that the most popular ideas in brainstorm should elicit an official response from the project
[17:41] <cjwatson> The brainstorm reviews have been popular and (I think) useful when we've done them, but the last couple have been belated (I can hardly complain, since I started that trend apparently)
[17:41] <mdz> to use brainstorm as a tool for listening to the user community
[17:41] <mdz> maybe this is a sign that this should be delegated
[17:41] <mdz> we had a brief discussion about that
[17:41] <pleia2> I do think it's valuable thing
[17:42] <cjwatson> It's sort of like the big-and-fluffy equivalent of looking at the top crashers on errors.ubuntu.com
[17:42] <mdz> exactly
[17:43] <mdz> anyway, just an FYI for purposes of this meeting I guess. nothing for the CC to do I think
[17:43] <cjwatson> My feeling is that this does belong with the TB, but too many of our members are too busy; I don't know whether this view is shared
[17:43] <czajkowski> mdz: cjwatson is it meant to be done at the meeting  or via mailing list ?
[17:43] <mdz> of course I don't think we would turn away help :-)
[17:43] <pleia2> I don't think it needs to be very formal, maybe grab some more general devs in the community and ask them to help out?
[17:43] <cjwatson> czajkowski: too big for at a meeting, we've been rotating one member doing a review of the top ten (notionally) every three months
[17:43] <mdz> czajkowski, it's a medium sized project, which involves working with various people in other teams and getting their help writing responses and publishing them
[17:43] <pleia2> (it does seem that delegation is needed here)
[17:44] <cjwatson> which is supposed to involve going and talking with appropriate developers to get them to supply responses
[17:44] <cjwatson> when I did it I think I got something like a 60% response rate, which was lower than I'd hoped but wasn't bad
[17:44] <pleia2> cheesehead from brainstorm is quite the active community member, talking to him about what brings the most value may be useful too
[17:44] <cjwatson> it took me about three weeks elapsed time, probably about a day's total work
[17:45] <czajkowski> cjwatson: 3 months is a long time as well.
[17:45] <mdz> Ian Weisser offered help
[17:45] <pleia2> ah, good
[17:45] <mdz> the total amount of work across everyone involved makes it a sizeable effort
[17:46] <mdz> maybe an hour's work each, but for a dozen or so people
[17:46] <czajkowski> nods thanks for the explaination
[17:47] <mdz> anything else?
[17:47] <pleia2> I think that's it
[17:47] <czajkowski> nope I'm all good thanks
[17:47] <pleia2> thanks for coming
[17:48] <czajkowski> ok we'll move on
[17:48] <czajkowski> next person isn't about
[17:48] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[17:48] <AlanBell> hi
[17:48] <pleia2> JC Hulce/soaringsky - are you here with another nickname?
[17:48] <pleia2> I'll follow up with them via email
[17:49] <czajkowski> pleia2: I did that already in /whois
[17:49] <czajkowski> #topic Election and appointment of the 5th member of the IRCC
[17:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks for coming
[17:50] <AlanBell> so the IRCC charter states we should have 5 members, back when this IRCC was appointed there were only 4 applicants
[17:50] <AlanBell> we decided to hold off on recruiting until the Q cycle, so now we are ready
[17:50] <czajkowski> great to hear
[17:50] <pleia2> great
[17:51] <AlanBell> the appointment process is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil
[17:51] <pleia2> AlanBell: last time a sitting member of the IRCC did the call for nominations, so I'd suggest moving forward with a similar process this time https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2011-November/001465.html
[17:52] <pleia2> send to the cc list, -irc and -news-team
[17:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: do you have a time frame in mind
[17:52] <AlanBell> pleia2: ok, great, that bit wasn't so clear, I can do that
[17:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: lets get on and do it
[17:53] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2011-November/001467.html is the second email in that (he had to make some adjustments :))
[17:53] <pleia2> looks like the call was open for 2 weeks last time
[17:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: great just be really clear on the date/deadlines
[17:53] <AlanBell> which takes it nicely to the end of the month if announced today
[17:53]  * pleia2 nods
[17:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks for this
[17:54] <czajkowski> no actions from us from this
[17:54] <czajkowski> anything else?
[17:55] <pleia2> just a quick thing about the CoC
[17:55] <AlanBell> ok, so end of this month for applications, then we can start the vote during next month
[17:55] <pleia2> AlanBell: sounds good!
[17:55] <czajkowski> #topic Code of Conduct
[17:56] <pleia2> at UDS the CC met to discuss the proposed CoC again, cproffit blogged about it here and linked to the notes: http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/uds-day-four-code-of-conduct-review/
[17:56] <pleia2> there have been some revisions based on this discussion (huge thanks to Laney in particular for his great feedback)
[17:56] <pleia2> but being post-UDS week, we're still catching up to make sure everything was addressed :)
[17:57] <pleia2> once we're at a good stopping point, we'll put it out to the community for another review before publishing
[17:57] <pleia2> that's it from me
[17:57] <czajkowski> great
[17:58] <czajkowski> #topic AOB
[17:58] <czajkowski> anything else ?
[17:58] <czajkowski> nope ok then
[17:58] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 17 17:58:50 2012 UTC.
[17:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-17-17.10.moin.txt
[17:58] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-05-17-17.10.html
[17:58] <pleia2> I can update minutes and wiki
[17:58] <czajkowski> pleia2: thanks
[17:59] <pleia2> we can discuss who can chair next time on list (since not many people here now)
[17:59] <czajkowski> aye thats was my reasoning for not picking beuno :)
[17:59] <pleia2> we also need someone to email the next board on the list
[17:59] <pleia2> we're in the new cycle, so our new list should go on the wiki once it's fully acked
[18:00] <pleia2> I think that's it
[18:00] <pleia2> thanks czajkowski
[18:00] <czajkowski> pleia2: thanks :)


[00:04] <ochosi> ali1234: while that looks plausible, how else would you ship that than including it with adwaita?
[00:05] <ali1234> no idea, you're the theme expert :)
[00:05] <ali1234> could it go in xfce4-panel?
[00:05] <ochosi> the main issue i see is that getting it included in the latter as bugfix in time is probably hard, right jbicha?
[00:05] <ali1234> adwaita actually has a "hacks.rc" which has a few things like this
[00:05] <ali1234> oh i don't expect it to be fixed in 18.04
[00:06] <ochosi> shipping it with any xubuntu pkg would probably be unconditional, so it sould affect *every* theme
[00:07] <ali1234> would that necessarily be a bad thing?
[00:07] <ochosi> for 18.10 i hope we can ship more 4.13 components, including the panel
[00:07] <ochosi> yeah, potentially
[00:07] <ali1234> it would affect every theme yes, but only xfce4-panel
[00:07] <ali1234> or... maybe the problem really is in xfce4-panel and we could just fix it :)
[00:07] <ochosi> just sucks if you change the genetal behaviour only becsuse adwaita gtk2 changed
[00:08] <ochosi> nah, in the gtk2 version we shouldnt try to fix such trivialities anymore imo
[00:08] <ochosi> i'd rather spend time on cleaning up deprecations etc in gtk3
[00:09] <ali1234> i don't see clipped icons in any other software, and it isn't caused by the size of the panel, so it must be doing something wrong in the way it is constructing the widgets
[00:09] <ali1234> do you know for sure it doesn't do the same thing in the gtk3 version?
[00:09] <ali1234> i have not tried it
[00:09] <ochosi> adwaita at least doesnt
[00:09] <ochosi> i already pushed some sane defaults to the gtk3 panel
[00:10] <ochosi> this is much easier to control with gtk3
[00:10] <ochosi> so far all themes worked fine
[00:10] <ali1234> i looked at the greybird gtk2 rcs - there's a lot of workarounds in there...
[00:10] <ochosi> ofc
[00:11] <ochosi> its historically grown
[00:11] <ali1234> for specific programs i mean
[00:11] <ochosi> i havent questioned 90% of its content in years
[00:11] <ochosi> i'll gladly drop gtk2
[00:11] <bluesabre> :o
[00:11] <ali1234> you'll be lucky
[00:12] <ochosi> but as that is not realistic in the near future i'll keep it all there
[00:12] <ali1234> give it another 5 years and maybe
[00:12] <ochosi> but i'll also not invest any time tbh
[00:12] <ochosi> i rather try to push versus 4.14
[00:13] <ochosi> keeping up with gtk3 theming is enough work as it is ;)
[00:13] <ali1234> ironically Adwaita gtk2 is actually really good
[00:13] <ali1234> it's been completely revamped since 16.04
[00:13] <ochosi> well they reworked it recently as a community effort
[00:14] <ochosi> 90% pixbuf engine now
[00:14] <ochosi> not exactly efficient...
[00:14] <ali1234> it only has custom CSS for three apps: gimp, chrome, and libreoffice
[00:14] <ochosi> but probably nobody cares too muvh
[00:15] <ali1234> oh and vim for some reason
[00:15] <ochosi> right
[00:16] <ochosi> yeah, i looked at the source a while ago
[00:16] <ochosi> but never really tested it tbh
[00:17] <ochosi> anyway, i know this is partly boring, but if you wanna help with finalizing the panel for 4.14 - any help is appreciated!
[00:17] <ochosi> gotta get some sleep now
[00:17] <ochosi> nighty
[00:18] <ali1234> i will probably install it when i upgrade to 18.04
[00:19] <ochosi> sounds like a good first step ;)
[00:19] <ali1234> right now i am finalizing the workarounds i need to do that
[00:54] <bluesabre> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/364395163/xubuntu-community-artwork_18.04.0_source.changes chilling in the queue
[03:36] <bluesabre> And there it is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-community-artwork/18.04.0
[03:36] <bluesabre> nighty all
[04:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: definitely new here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GbKgbSYbcV/
[04:31] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - do we know offhand what causes the slow change to wallpaper at login for some?
[04:54] <krytarik> flocculant: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.28.0-0ubuntu4 - and why have you got gnome-session-bin installed?  And neither of those are on the images.
[04:58] <flocculant> krytarik: maybe gnome-calc or gnome-dik-utility ?
[04:59] <flocculant> if it's just me - that's fine
[05:01] <krytarik> Neither looks like - try "apt -s remove gnome-session-bin"?
[05:04] <flocculant> -session-common -startup-applications and -session-bin all could be removed
[05:05] <krytarik> Well yay then, you don't need it!.. :P
[05:05] <flocculant> :p
[05:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: sorry - I get a bit itchy when we're this close - and being tired doesn't help :p
[05:17]  * flocculant thanks krytarik for being awake enough
[10:05] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, everybody does
[10:06] <bluesabre> I've got a bunch of noise in my bug inbox about "xfce-* doesn't work" and the bug report goes on to talk about running openbox, installing from the mini iso, or using gnome-settings to configure their gnome session :\
[12:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: I presume you saw the nmu of mugshot?
[12:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Ah fantastic you picked up ristretto, sorry about that. :3
[12:23] <Unit193> flocculant: gnome-session-bin came from software-properties before it was fixed, apt-get changelog should describe the timeline.
[12:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: what does nmu mean again?
[12:28] <Unit193> non-maintainer upload.
[17:06] <tracker8> !team | flocculant will be mia until he gets his interwebs back again - see you sometime :)
[20:14] <albinard> checking in
[20:18] <knome> on?
[20:19] <albinard> just arrived - new poster, don't know proper hello form
[20:19] <knome> hello :)
[20:19] <knome> so are you interested in contributing to xubuntu or..?
[20:20] <albinard> I've done a few tests of Xubuntu Core recent ISOs
[20:20] <knome> aha, nice :)
[20:21] <albinard> commented on the latest one on Mailing List today
[20:21] <knome> i've seen some threads about it, yep
[20:25] <albinard> what is the current status of Wayland in Xubuntu?
[20:25] <knome> it isn't there and it isn't in the foreseeable near future that it's getting in
[20:26] <knome> even xfce isn't supporting wayland yet...
[20:26] <albinard> I wondered, because a recent update had some wayland bits in it
[20:26] <knome> basically xfce needs gtk3 support first
[23:15] <bluesabre> Working on translation releases tonight...
[23:15] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/sgt-launcher/0.2/0.2.4
[23:16] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.4/1.4.5
[23:16] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/mugshot/0.4/0.4.0


[18:59] <arighi> hello o/
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:02] <seb128> hey there, sorry I forgot to send appologies but I've a conflict for the meeting today and I'm about to step out, I will read the backlog later and follow via email on anything needed
[19:07] <teward> rbasak: at the doctors office - annual physical - so not available today sorry
[19:08] <rbasak> I'll wait another couple of minutes.
[19:08] <rbasak> If it's just me then I don't think it's worth proceeding - sorry.
[19:09] <rbasak> However DMB absenteeism was a problem a while ago, and we managed to agree back then that we wouldn't need a quorate vote if we get to a second meeting and have the same problem.
[19:10] <rbasak> arighi: so please put yourself down for another meeting, and that time, if we have the same problem, we'll proceed with whoever is present, even if just one.
[19:10] <rbasak> Sorry we couldn't proceed today :-(
[19:10] <arighi> rbasak, ok, no problem
[19:10] <rbasak> (reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Board_Member_Attendance)
[19:11] <rbasak> Correction: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Voting_and_Quorum
[19:11] <rbasak> "Quorum votes are required, however if quorum is not reached at first meeting, at the next meeting majority present votes are required"
[19:11] <arighi> rbasak, next available slot is going to be 2023-03-20
[19:11] <arighi> I guess, because there's already one applicant for 2023-03-06
[19:11] <rbasak> Yes - sorry.
[19:11] <arighi> ok, just wanted to be sure :)
[19:13] <arighi> alright, agenda updated


[19:33] <luna_> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/upcoming-apparmor-security-update-for-cve-2016-1585/44268/1
[19:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- In all versions of AppArmor mount rules are accidentally widened when compiled. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-1585>
[20:47] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 3ea76e3 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 6 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/compare/9c08df1...3ea76e3
[20:47] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 79a01c6 Rachida SACI po/kab.po * Update Kabyle translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/-/commit/79a01c6
[20:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 79a01c6 in gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions "Update Kabyle translation"
[20:47] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest d334876 Matheus Polkorny po/pt_BR.po * Update Brazilian Portuguese translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/-/commit/d334876
[20:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit d334876 in gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions "Update Brazilian Portuguese translation"
[20:47] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 59899a2 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/-/commit/59899a2
[20:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 59899a2 in gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions "Update Friulian translation"
[20:48] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 38e267a Florian Müllner extensions/screenshot-window-sizer/extension.js * screenshot-window-sizer: Add additional size * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/-/commit/38e267a
[20:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 38e267a in gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions "screenshot-window-sizer: Add additional size"
[20:48] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 78c3957 Florian Müllner NEWS meson.build * Bump version to 46.1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/-/commit/78c3957
[20:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 78c3957 in gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions "Bump version to 46.1"
[20:48] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions pristine-tar 0600cbf Jeremy Bícha gnome-shell-extensions_46.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell-extensions_46.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extensions_46.1.orig.tar.xz * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/-/commit/0600cbf
[20:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 0600cbf in gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions "pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extensions_46.1.orig.tar.xz"
[20:48] <KGB-X> gnome-shell-extensions signed tags 2ff4a3a Jeremy Bicha upstream/46.1 * Upstream version 46.1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell-extensions/tags/upstream/46.1
[20:50] <KGB-X> gucharmap signed tags 5c2b5ce Jeremy Bicha upstream/15.1.4 * Upstream version 15.1.4 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gucharmap/tags/upstream/15.1.4
[20:50] <KGB-X> gucharmap upstream/latest d3741bb Christian Persch meson.build * build: Post release version bump * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gucharmap/-/commit/d3741bb
[20:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit d3741bb in gnome-team/gucharmap "build: Post release version bump"
[20:50] <KGB-X> gucharmap upstream/latest 4b90502 Aurimas Černius po/lt.po * Update Lithuanian translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gucharmap/-/commit/4b90502
[20:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 4b90502 in gnome-team/gucharmap "Update Lithuanian translation"
[20:50] <KGB-X> gucharmap upstream/latest 6850188 Sabri Ünal po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gucharmap/-/commit/6850188
[20:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 6850188 in gnome-team/gucharmap "Update Turkish translation"
[20:51] <KGB-X> gucharmap upstream/latest c2ddcb7 Jeremy Bícha meson.build po/lt.po po/tr.po * New upstream version 15.1.4 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gucharmap/-/commit/c2ddcb7
[20:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit c2ddcb7 in gnome-team/gucharmap "New upstream version 15.1.4"
[20:51] <KGB-X> gucharmap pristine-tar 3738c0b Jeremy Bícha gucharmap_15.1.4.orig.tar.bz2.delta gucharmap_15.1.4.orig.tar.bz2.id * pristine-tar data for gucharmap_15.1.4.orig.tar.bz2 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gucharmap/-/commit/3738c0b
[20:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 3738c0b in gnome-team/gucharmap "pristine-tar data for gucharmap_15.1.4.orig.tar.bz2"


[20:06] <mark06> is it possible to amend a forgotten --fixes to a commit?
[20:50] <jelmer> mark06: only if you uncommit or something like that
[20:50] <jelmer> (commits are immutable)
[20:52] <mark06> ok :'(


[01:20] <cody-somerville> Hey
[01:20] <cody-somerville> I have a branch on launchpad that is stacked on a branch that was moved which means I can't branch or check it out anymore.
[01:20] <cody-somerville> How can I fix this?
[01:29] <jelmer> cody-somerville: hi
[01:29] <jelmer> cody-somerville: I don't think there is an easy way to do that, Launchpad shouldn't have allowed you to move the branch on which your branch was stacked in the first place.
[01:30] <jelmer> Is there perhaps some way you can create the base branch again?
[01:30] <jelmer> ah, live-helper was renamed to live-build ?
[01:33] <cody-somerville> jelmer, aye
[02:30] <mtaylor> cody-somerville: also, I believe you can sftp in to your branch and edit the stacked on setting
[02:30] <cody-somerville> aye
[02:30] <cody-somerville> thats what I've done
[02:30] <mtaylor> excellent
[02:31] <mtaylor> although I agree with jelmer that you should have been prevented :)
[02:32] <mtaylor> anybody around know how to go back through and edit revisions in a branch - in this case, someone has committed without setting bzr whoami and I'd like to fix it - but I don't want to replay the whole revision history just to do it.
[07:14] <lifeless> mtaylor: replay
[07:14] <lifeless> mtaylor: + my patch to permit changing the committer which still has no home
[07:14] <lifeless> mtaylor: sorry, rebase + my patch
[07:15] <mtaylor> lifeless: do you mean rewrite + your patch (hasn't it been renamed again?)
[07:16] <lifeless> the rewrite plugin
[07:16] <lifeless> the rebase command
[07:16] <lifeless> + my patch
[11:32] <mlh> nebuPookins2: you're bouncing
[17:22] <josh> anyone around?
[17:23] <josh> anyone have time/interest in helping me with bazaar and plugins?
[17:24] <jelmer> josh, hi
[17:25] <josh> hello
[17:25] <josh> let me try to explain what i've figured out and hopefully then my question will seem clear
[17:26] <josh> we have these configuration files that are notoriously difficult with regards to syntax... so we have a perl script that checks them for syntax errors
[17:26] <josh> we'd like to have this script run on every perl script before committing and fail the commit if there are syntax errors
[17:26] <josh> i've been able to do this with the pre_commit_check hook
[17:27] <josh> however, that would require us to make sure everyone has this plugin installed locally... this isn't difficult as a "one-time" thing, but it's a bit more difficult to make sure that newcomers get this installed
[17:28] <josh> so, is there any way to do this on the server?
[17:28] <josh> sorry for the novel
[17:29] <josh> i have attempted to recreate the logic on the server using a pre_change_branch_tip but I'm not quite sure how to get access to the actual file (i.e. the perl script needs to be able to open the file and process it)
[17:33] <fullermd> Well, bzr has the text available.  Maybe it could run over stdin?
[17:34] <josh> hmm, interesting
[17:36] <fullermd> 'course, it could as easily write out a temp file somewhere and yada yada, but using stdin would save you from all the cleanups and corner cases and race conditions that entails.
[17:37] <josh> ok, so am I on the right path with making sure the pre_change_branch_tip is where I want this to run?
[17:37] <fullermd> Probably, though I'm hardly an expert.
[18:50] <Leav> Hello, i need some pointers on to use to use bazaar for newbies
[18:50] <Leav> how to use*
[18:51] <Leav> are there any toturials?
[18:51] <Leav> (for the GUI)
[23:29] <jelmer> lifeless: Hi
[23:29] <lifeless> hiya
[23:30] <jelmer> lifeless: So, I've spent some time on Bazaar this weekend, mostly trying to get all of the tests to run without failing - including running tests against foreign branches.
[23:30] <lifeless> \o/
[23:30] <jelmer> I'm down to 170 failures across the tests of all plugins I have installed, which I think is pretty good.
[23:30] <lifeless> thats awesome
[23:32] <jelmer> I ran into some tests that can obviously never run properly against foreign formats, since they make assumptions that are very much tied to Bazaar's formats (such as .bzr existing, or .bzr/checkout/merge-hashes). I've filed bugs for those.
[23:32] <lifeless> coolo
[23:33] <jelmer> What I wanted to ask at UDS and the GHM about this was basically to check with you that I'm doing the right thing by moving those tests (and those tests alone) to a per_bzr_bzrdir or something directory.
[23:33] <lifeless> yeah
[23:34] <jelmer> That reminds me, we really should rename that class to ControlDir..
[23:34] <lifeless> o/
[23:35] <jelmer> also, you'll find I filed some testrepository bugs
[23:35] <jelmer> "testr run --failing" is awesome when fixing a large number of test failures
[23:36] <lifeless> \o/


[10:43] <EvilAngel> i wonder if zfs gets loaded before the x server gets started
[10:49] <EvilAngel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXy7JBTosbs
[10:49] <EvilAngel> oh shit
[10:49] <EvilAngel> sorry
[12:02] <Mis-anthrope> the best thing about a newly installed ubuntu server.... it comes with no destop environment!
[12:37] <Mis-anthrope> I am trying to install virtual box guest additions.. and it fails everytime.. after some searching online, I realised the problem could be with the linux headers. Now, when I am removing the headers, I have the option of removing generic headers or actual header file linux-headers-4.4.0-31.. which one should I remove..
[12:49] <Walex> Mis-anthrope: well, the generic one depends on the version one, so if you remove the generic one the version one will also be removed by default.
[12:50] <Walex> Mis-anthrope: but is is very unlikely that the right version headers for your kernel give VirtualBox trouble.
[12:51] <tomreyn> i concur. removing kernel headers wont solve a problem
[12:51] <Mis-anthrope> Walex: I had the same issue in ubuntu desktop so all I did was update the kernel headers..
[12:51] <Mis-anthrope> but the kernels are showing up to date in this case
[12:51] <tomreyn> which variant of virtualbox are you using, the one from ubuntu or oracles' packages?
[12:52] <Mis-anthrope> oracle's one
[12:52] <Mis-anthrope> its vbox 5.1.2
[12:52] <tomreyn> are you using this on a server?
[12:52] <Mis-anthrope> yes.. I am
[12:53] <tomreyn> why dont use use a proper HVM virtualization?
[12:53] <Mis-anthrope> the error log for vboxguesteditions suggests I install gcc and make which I am doing now
[12:53] <tomreyn> virtualbox is desktop virtualization
[12:53] <Mis-anthrope> ik
[12:53] <Mis-anthrope> I dont want bare metal
[12:53] <Mis-anthrope> I just wanna play around with ubuntu server in vbox first..
[12:54] <tomreyn> so your host is a desktop, runnign virtualbox, and below that you got ubuntu-server?
[12:54] <Mis-anthrope> yes
[12:54] <tomreyn> ah, okay that makes sense then
[12:54] <Mis-anthrope> I dont want any bare metal virtualization till I am comfy with ubuntu server on type 2
[12:55] <tomreyn> so your desktop runs which version of ubuntu, and the VM is which version of ubuntu-server?
[12:57] <tomreyn> and whats the output you get when you try to install the guest utils on the ubuntu-server ?
[12:57] <tomreyn> (use !pastebin / !pastebinit )
[13:00] <Mis-anthrope> my desktop is windows 10.1/x64(to my despair) and I am running ubuntu 16.04 server(32 bit)
[13:08] <tomreyn> thanks for providing some (but not all) of the information i asked for. ;)
[13:11] <Mis-anthrope> um thats cuz my problem has now evolved :(
[13:17] <tomreyn> sorry to hear that
[13:17] <Mis-anthrope> me too :\
[14:00] <Mis-anthrope> I need to understand the differences between Xorg.. X11.. desktop environement... display servers... window managers... any good books/links?
[14:59] <Mis-anthrope> has anyone here used Ubuntu 16.04 server?
[17:45] <funabashi> hey guys i had 2 unwanted reboots on my linux machine today. which important logs can i go for to find out the root cause ?
[17:55] <tomreyn> funabashi: /var/log/syslog* /var/log/dmesg* /var/log/auth.log*
[17:56] <tomreyn> funabashi: start by using 'last' to determine the reboot times, then look at these logs near these timestamps
[18:00] <funabashi> tomreyn: ok i checked those files and i found nothing intresting
[18:01] <funabashi> its a vps on KVM and the provider told me they got no issues..
[18:01] <funabashi> dmesg file doesnt have timestamps
[18:02] <tomreyn> if there's nothing on the logs then it means it's a hardware issue. which, in the case of virtualization, means it's a virtualization error.
[18:03] <tomreyn> your provider may not spend time on investigating thier logs until you state that you have reviewed your logs and not found indication of a software malfunction.
[18:04] <tomreyn> if, after you stated this, and went over this with them repeatedly, they still claim its not an issu eon their part without providing anything to back that claim up, then you should switch to a different provider.
[18:43] <duper> does anyone know of terminal software that's capable of the VGA-style 24-bit true color w/ ANSI color escape codes besides suckless st? looking for something that's more..well, featureful.
[20:50] <rizonz> which caching resolver is recommended for local usage ?


[00:13]  * RAOF unplugs his external monitor, causing all Qt apps to crash (as usual).
[00:15] <greyback> I really hate that
[00:16] <greyback> fixed in qt5.5!
[00:17] <RAOF> YAY!
[00:18] <RAOF> We should go back and close those Qt bugs, then :)
[00:32] <racarr> RAOF: s'ok im hooked on kindle now
[00:33] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[00:33] <RAOF> The physical copy is pretty nice, though ;)
[00:33] <RAOF> Also, you should read it :)
[00:33] <racarr> well ok if you remember :D
[00:33] <racarr> yeah I will...I've been stuck on this one book for like
[00:33] <racarr> almost 2 months now I guess whoops
[00:34] <racarr> I think I may just give up trying to extract meaning from this long rambling middle section and
[00:34] <racarr> power through lol
[00:34] <racarr> "2666"
[00:34] <racarr> ouch jenkins had a murder run on me
[00:34] <racarr> conflicts I bet
[00:42] <RAOF> :)
[00:51] <RAOF> Hm. It's trying quite hard to sleet here.
[00:52] <racarr> eww
[00:53] <RAOF> It's failing, and just dropping very cold rain, but it's trying.
[01:04] <racarr> ah phones were having network issues
[01:04] <racarr> and I had a memory error
[01:12] <RAOF> Always the best!
[01:20] <racarr> there have been a few funny test failures
[01:20] <racarr> in this event cleaning pipeline where its
[01:21] <racarr> basically tests were relying on behavior that converted an invalid android event
[01:21] <racarr> to an invalid mir event
[01:21] <racarr> so
[01:21] <racarr> so
[01:21] <racarr> many
[01:21] <racarr> invalid states
[01:46] <duflu> racarr: Isn't that better than an invalid Android event yielding a valid Mir event? :)
[02:09] <RAOF> Oops. Filesystem corruption after hard power-off.
[03:06] <RAOF> You know, this code that I'm writing right now could really do with Rust's borrow checker.
[03:07] <RAOF> None of these shared_ptrs are *actually* shared. I'm using guarantees about their lifetimes that are manually maintained.
[06:47] <duflu> Funny thing happens when you achieve low render latency - the LCD persistence (motion blur) becomes more noticeable
[08:34] <alan_g> alf_: you agree I can TA this? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-system-compositor-team/unity-system-compositor/trunk/+merge/258047
[08:35] <alf_> alan_g: approval still stands
[08:46] <alan_g> Is there an easy way to find the "image number" of a phone install?
[09:12] <duflu> alan_g: system-image-cli -i    ?
[09:13] <alan_g> duflu: thanks
[16:51] <racarr> alf_: With the pointer buttons I do mean running out of bits ... do you have another idea?
[16:51] <racarr> It may be ok to say 64 bits and call it done...
[16:52] <racarr> I guess what im worried about is some devices will have buttons that I guess dont correspond
[16:52] <racarr> to MirPointerButton and can only be interpreted through the device introspection API (perhaps this is true? Maybe it's not really...)
[16:52] <racarr> and that could get weird if things were flags
[19:41] <racarr> Does anyone have a good writeup of what is going on in situations where bzr merge --weave will fix conflicts that merge wont
[19:41] <racarr> ive never bothered to understand it and it always leaves me with this
[19:41] <racarr> sinking uneasy feeling
[19:45] <racarr> man there could be a way better interface for managing
[19:45] <racarr> pipelined branches...
[19:45] <racarr> e.g. if launchpad
[19:45] <racarr> understood it
[19:46] <racarr> also I have to put a dollar in the gender specific noun when addressing a general audience jar :(


[22:49]  * daftykins raises a beer to the channel
[22:53] <penguin42> hey there daftykins
[22:53] <daftykins> \o how was your chocolate haul this year? :D
[22:54] <penguin42> oh I never buy easter chocolate at easter
[22:54] <daftykins> ah i forgot which season it was you stocked up
[22:55] <daftykins> my folks tell me that it tends to get taken down from the shelves here from tomorrow, so that explains why i've never caught any discounted
[22:55] <penguin42> only if it's as cheap as flat chocolate (of which I have about 9kg in)
[22:55] <daftykins> :D
[22:55] <daftykins> maybe that's the winning trick, walk in with a rubber mallet and remove a dimension from it all
[22:55] <daftykins> "discount please!"
[22:55] <penguin42> it certainly has been difficult to bring back in bags
[22:56]  * penguin42 did once *sell* an easter egg in Thorntons
[22:57] <penguin42> sometime in ~May, I bought their last 3 easter eggs at some ludicrous discount, and then some lady runs in and says 'Have you got any easter eggs!?'
[22:58] <daftykins> cor what timing
[22:58] <penguin42> so sold her one
[22:58] <daftykins> at a fair price? :D
[22:59] <penguin42> yehish
[22:59] <penguin42> I think they were like originally £4-5 each, discounted to like £2.50; I'd bought 3 for £5 and sold her one for £2
[23:00] <daftykins> ah can't sniff at that
[23:04] <penguin42> yeh I'm just looking at my pics from 2020, I got the haul from Thorntons then in June; but I don't think I saw any good priced last year


[08:23] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:44] <mparillo> When opening a file in kate, does anybody else get:
[16:44] <mparillo> Configuration file "/home/marco/.config/katerc" not writable. Please contact your system administrator.
[16:47] <MoonUnit`> i don't see that line
[16:52] <genii> mparillo: Did you do something like run kate with sudo instead of kdesudo previously? That would cause it by making the file owned by root and not the user marco.
[16:52] <genii> mparillo: You could ls -l /home/marco/.config/katerc  to see it's ownership
[16:54] <mparillo> genii: I should have known better. I had used sudo on nano, then up-arrowed and changed nano to kate without changing sudo to kdesudo
[16:55] <genii> mparillo: Mystery solved ;)
[16:55] <mparillo> Thanks to you.
[19:17] <spanston> Hello there, I just installed redshift via the software center in Kubuntu but as I try to start it. It only loads in a few seconds and then disappears. I'm using the vivid beta, can that be the cause?
[19:19] <genii> spanston: Is there any useful output if you just issue from Konsole the command: redshift   ..?
[19:20] <k1l_> redshift-gtk works here with unity and an intel4000 video card


[13:47] <sgflt> hey
[13:47] <sgflt> can anyone tell me how i would output "hello world" as an upstart job?
[13:48] <sgflt> i've tried like this:
[13:48] <sgflt> console output
[13:48] <sgflt> exec "hello, world"
[13:48] <sgflt> but running start with   start hello   does not give me any output at all
[19:52] <Synthead> hey guys
[19:52] <Synthead> I'm administrating an Ubuntu system
[19:52] <Synthead> I added a /etc/init/xyz.conf file
[19:52] <Synthead> then ran initctl reload-configuration
[19:52] <Synthead> but initctl list doesn't show my .conf
[19:53] <Synthead> I created one before, and it is indeed showing up, but I can't restart the server now as people are developing on it
[19:53] <Synthead> what should I try?
[19:55] <goraxe> Synthead: is your conf a symblink or you may have a config error in your conf file
[19:56] <[diablo]> good afternoon #upstart
[19:56] <[diablo]> guys I am having trouble with Ubuntu 10.04 and starting the services qemu-kvm and libvirtd on boot
[19:57] <Synthead> http://codepad.org/xXnFyNXv
[19:57] <[diablo]> both are set up in the rc.x
[19:57] <Synthead> it isn't a symlink
[19:57] <[diablo]> but neither are executing
[19:57] <[diablo]> the weirdest thing is that qemu-kvm merely loads the kvm module
[19:57] <[diablo]> :-\
[19:59] <[diablo]> http://pastebin.ca/1913979
[20:00] <[diablo]> thats the qemu-kvm
[20:00] <[diablo]> but once the machine has booted, the kvm module is never load... I have to manually do server qemu-kvm start
[20:01] <[diablo]> mmm runlevel returns unknown ... odd
[20:01] <[diablo]> wtf...
[20:01] <[diablo]> any ideas please?
[20:01] <goraxe> Synthead: I think you need exec '/usr/sbin/faxgetty ...'
[20:04] <Synthead> goraxe: after adding exec, initctl reload-configuration and initctl list doesn't show it
[20:12] <Synthead> :/
[20:13] <goraxe> lower case the D of description
[20:14] <[diablo]> brb..
[20:14] <Synthead> goraxe: thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat did it :){
[20:14] <Synthead> :)
[20:15] <Synthead> ty
[20:15] <goraxe> np


[03:43] <ShawnR__> anyone know of a way to flash bios sans windows?  is that aflash.exe util the one generally used on boot media? asus has no documentation on it
[03:51] <danstoner> ShawnR__: definitely possible, some vendors provide bootable media (e.g. linux) that can flash BIOS.
[03:52] <danstoner> but this would be vendor-specific, I don't know about ASUS.
[03:52]  * danstoner wonders about running flash bios updates via Wine...
[03:57] <govatent> You can do it via usb boot or a cd boot
[03:57] <govatent> asus usually provides all the tools to load onto a dos bootable disk
[03:58] <govatent> ShawnR__:
[03:58] <crashsystems> hello florida
[04:07] <ShawnR__> govatent: i am pretty sure (IIRC) that the aflash.exe is the dos utility used on boot floppy's
[04:08] <ShawnR__> however, i found that there is a built in flash updater in BIOS... it just only reads certain folders on the "C" drive that I thankfully never wiped
[04:08] <govatent> yea but it also works when copied onto a cd with a bootable dos
[04:08] <ShawnR__> yeah
[04:09] <ShawnR__> good news is, somehow when messing with trying to get optimus to work (rather to just use the nvidia card), my wifi would start up disabled (i just had to check it in the drop down to turn it on).... after bios update... it works again?
[04:09] <ShawnR__> not sure why/how that fixed it
[04:09] <ShawnR__> it was next on my to do list, and I guess i can cross that off now
[04:09] <jgdovin> freaking live booting off of our hackerspace pixie server :)
[04:13] <govatent> nice!!
[04:26] <jgdovin> so hows everyone doing?
[04:39] <govatent> all good here
[04:39] <govatent> how about you jgdovin
[04:40] <govatent> I am counting down for my vacation. 14 days left
[05:10] <TiMiDo> lol lucky you,
[15:59] <jgdovin> morning all
[16:12] <maxolasersquad> jgdovin: Good morning.
[19:46] <dorgan> ok maybe someone in here can help me
[19:48] <dorgan> I am trying to give apache the ability to access Xvfb i have added the following to /etc/profile   http://pastie.org/private/w0fik8clnoauwbogvojuq   yet i am still getting  " Can't connect to X11 window server using 'localhost:1.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable"
[19:54] <maxolasersquad> dorgan: I think you usually get that error when trying to run a GUI app on a machine with no X server.
[19:54] <dorgan> maxolasersquad: yes but if you look at my pastie i am trying to use Xvfb to fix that
[19:56] <maxolasersquad> I just read up on what Xvfb is.  I didn't quite understand what that was supposed to be doing.
[20:07] <zoopster> dorgan: are you sure it is picking up that display variable change?
[20:09] <dorgan> zoopster: why wouldnt it i have the export line in there
[20:10] <zoopster> dunno...what you show "look" ok, but there may be a glitch in the matrix
[20:11] <dorgan> yeah i've given up on it at this time..it s nice to have for what i am trying to do but not needed
[20:57] <TiMiDo> hey everyone
[20:57] <TiMiDo> Good Afternoon
[22:18] <raubvogel> Anything exciting?