[00:27] <tsimonq2> hmm, reading lubuntu-users archives, came across this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2016-September/011194.html
[00:27] <tsimonq2> wasn't this a global issue at one point?
[00:30] <sarnold> pity he didn't report bugs with detailed reproducers
[00:31] <sarnold> the pcmanfm changes may have been intentional, reporting that one upstream too might be nice, they might say "works as designed" or "thanks"
[00:33] <tsimonq2> sarnold: I was talking about the second one, sorry
[00:34] <tsimonq2> I can work on the first one ;)
[00:34] <sarnold> tsimonq2: yeah, i figured, that's more likely to be 'global' :) hehe
[00:34]  * tsimonq2 nods
[00:34] <tsimonq2> sarnold: not a lot of people wither on Facebook, Twitter or lubuntu-users report bugs
[00:34] <tsimonq2> so we usually file them for them
[00:35] <tsimonq2> not much, but still
[00:35] <sarnold> tsimonq2: that's very kind of you :) I never know 90% of the programs that people are actually using so I can certainly appreciate when you -do- understand it well enough to report a useful bug ;)
[00:36] <tsimonq2> sarnold: well sometimes we *do* have to ask follow-up questions (but that's a given), then when we report it, we link them
[00:37] <tsimonq2> sarnold: but yeah it's something I like to do to make sure Lubuntu is bug-free ;)
[00:38] <tsimonq2> sarnold: possibly related: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/54endb/help_new_install_but_wifi_disconnects_randomly/
[00:43] <sarnold> tsimonq2: tough to guess :/
[00:43] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:43] <tsimonq2> that's the thing with making bug reports out of FB/Reddit posts. You have to go through and confirm them yourself... :P
[00:44] <tsimonq2> I don't run standard Lubuntu, I'm on LXQt
[00:44] <sarnold> and if you don't have that NIC, you're kind of out of luck with that one..
[00:44] <tsimonq2> well yeah
[05:23] <pitti> Good morning
[06:35] <slangasek> seems I don't have privs to set the topic here; someone want to note that yakkety final beta is released?
[06:57] <dax> slangasek: go for it
[06:57] <dax> Unit193: might wanna add ^
[07:30] <smb> nacc, just saw you mention xen in the scrollback. could you point me to which xen where? also I got a xen-4.7 in unapproved for ffe after beta which I believe would/should compile in yakkety
[08:38] <xnox> bdmurray, yes. in yakkety that is probably broken. Also I'm guessing that gpgv should be used.
[09:02] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/286884351/libgksu_2.0.13~pre1-9ubuntu1_source.changes
[09:02] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: please use -v properly for merges
[09:02] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: i. e. to include the relevant Debian changelogs too
[09:03] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: for the learning exercise, I'd like to reject and you reupload with the fixed .changes?
[09:10] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, let me save it please
[09:12] <LocutusOfBorg> ok reject
[09:12] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: ack
[09:12] <LocutusOfBorg> dpkg-buildpackage -S -d -V 2.0.13~pre1-8ubuntu1
[09:12] <LocutusOfBorg> this should do the trick
[09:12] <LocutusOfBorg> at least changes file looks good
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW there aren't significative changes in that merge, just a lot of better in delta size
[09:13] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: right, -v<last Ubuntu upload>
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> I hope I could do that automagically, but I failed to achieve that
[09:13] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: rihgt, but the debian part is the "interesting" bit in a merge
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe calling some rmadison...
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure
[09:13] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg: grep for the first ubuntu-ish record?
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> I really don't like having to remember stuff, and I agree about your point
[09:14] <pitti> but I usually do that manually, copy the version number, then gbp buildpackage -v<paste>
[09:14] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, patch dpkg-buildpackage to do that for me? :)
[09:14] <pitti> cannot be made foolproof, I'm afraid
[09:14] <LocutusOfBorg> I guess so
[09:14] <LocutusOfBorg> reuploaded
[09:16] <LocutusOfBorg> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/287031706/libgksu_2.0.13~pre1-9ubuntu1_source.changes
[09:16] <LocutusOfBorg> yay looks better
[11:30] <xnox> i'm going a bit crazy
[11:30] <xnox> python3 -c 'import apt_pkg; print(apt_pkg.config.find("Dir::Etc"))'
[11:30] <xnox> prints nothing
[11:30] <xnox> what's wrong?
[11:31] <xnox> apt_pkg.init_config() -> aha
[11:31] <xnox> got it.
[13:09] <tsdgeos> mitya57: about the appmenu-qt5 thing, would it even make sense to make it conflict with newer qts so it gets uninstalled? i mean what's the usefulness of it?
[13:16] <xnox> bdmurray, ubuntu-release-upgrader needs quite a bit of fixing.... loads of things it does, no longer are present in apt.
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, why you not DD yet?
[14:05] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: are you interested in being my advocate for it?
[14:07]  * doko curses completely outdated xfsprogs/xfsdump versions ... coreycb, zul, jamespage: interested in fixing the ftbfs?
[14:10] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, yes
[14:11] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe after one of two more sponsoring :)
[14:12] <LocutusOfBorg> we can followup privately if you prefer
[15:05] <nacc> smb: yeah, sorry! -- the ftbfs was http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/test-rebuild-20160916-yakkety.html#ubuntu-server, debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812166, fix is https://github.com/xenserver/xen-4.6/commit/ef6e53a83dc8948b44ffb4efa27c0c524f6d9f2a
[15:11] <smb> nacc, ah ok, so looking at it its just failing due to indentation checking. Which means no need for fixing back in Xenial or so. And since my 4.7 test builds were not complaining I guess it got changed since then. Which would fix the yakkety rebuild once the ffe gets accepted
[15:11] <nacc> smb: ack, it's a trivial thing for sure
[15:12] <nacc> smb: i will note that for whatever reason, debian was also having trouble manually reproducing it (per that bug report)
[15:13] <smb> nacc, could be that we turn on some more hardening flags like treat warnings as errors
[15:16] <nacc> yeah, although debian also reported it -- regardless trivial fix, and i'll look forward to your ffe build getting through :)
[15:16] <nacc> so `apt-get changelog` doesn't correctly handle a package whose source is in main, but for which some binary packages are in universe (e.g., openexr) -- it tries to open a URL under universe/
[15:17] <nacc> has that always been the case?
[15:31] <nacc> doko: fyi, openexr fix is probably a merge/sync -- testing it now
[15:55] <Gr33ntea> Hey guys, im trying to make a hello world kernel module, but am getting the following errors. make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.19.0-64-generic'
[15:55] <Gr33ntea> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `arch/x86/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl', needed by `arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/asm/syscalls_32.h'.  Stop.
[15:55] <Gr33ntea> Any advice?
[16:11] <nacc> slangasek: are you available for a quick question?
[16:11] <pitti> http://xkcd.com/1739/ → SO TRUE!
[16:11] <nacc> pitti: *especially* the hover text
[16:27] <slangasek> nacc: yes (was that the quick question?)
[16:29] <nacc> slangasek: I wish! :) i'm trying to sru pollinate and it seems like prior SRUs of new upstream versions basically took the Y-1 version, and just appended a P/X/Z changelog entry to it. Rather than maintaining debian/changelog from P/X/Z and adding a version to it. Is there a best practices? And if SRU'ing a jump of two version (because the intervening version introdcued a bug fixed by the latter),
[16:30] <nacc> should there be d/changelog entries for both, or is it appropriate to just make one changelog entry?
[16:30] <nacc> sorry, ended up being two questions :)
[16:30] <slangasek> nacc: ah - I saw that question flash by yesterday on here while in the midst of beta prep, was hoping someone else would have answered it for you, sorry
[16:30] <nacc> slangasek: it's ok -- i have my own thoughts, based upon other packages, but given pollinate has already done this once, i wasn't sure what was "best"
[16:32] <slangasek> nacc: so, there is no strong convention here either way; in theory the SRU changelog should be "append only" so that we get a clean debdiff in the SRU review queue that only shows the new stuff, but in practice we'll let it in either way (because we understand the headache of maintaining separate branches just for the changelogs)
[16:34] <xnox> pitti, that's like gpg2 transition
[16:36] <nacc> slangasek: ok, and as to the upstream version jump? Im assuming i can just do one changelog entry that lists all the changes?
[16:37] <slangasek> nacc: yes, that's also permitted
[16:37] <nacc> slangasek: ok, thanks for your help!
[16:56] <doko> chrisccoulson: could you give me some hints how to debug the firefox internal install failures?
[17:28] <bdmurray> xnox: Could you elaborate on issues with ubuntu-release-upgrader? It'd be good to get it squared away soon...
[17:49] <slangasek> caribou: any further progress on LP: #1619239? looks like this is blocked on enabling of tests?
[18:01] <dobey> is there any way to do hooks with sbuild, similar to how they  work in pbuilder?
[18:16] <slangasek> dobey: akin to /etc/schroot/setup.d ?
[18:19] <dobey> slangasek: maybe? but something more akin to --setup-commands for autopkgtest/adt-run. i need to run different ones depending on the package being built, not something that always happens every time necessarily
[18:21] <dobey> slangasek: i'm trying to figure out how to enable coverage report building in our jenkaas setup, and found the old cupstream2distro/pbuilderjenkins stuff which uses pbuilder hooks which mess with override_dh_auto_configure in debian/rules in a script, to add the configure options
[18:21] <dobey> so trying to figure out how i can do something similar with sbuild, which jenkaas uses
[18:29] <dobey> hmm, then again i have no idea if --pre-build-commands expects me to pass a local script as argument that is simply copied in and then run, or if i have to pass in a script that exists in the chroot
[18:30] <slangasek> --pre-build-commands is called from outside the chroot, apparently vs. --chroot-setup-commands which is inside
[18:30] <slangasek> (but I only know this from looking at the manpage)
[18:31] <dobey> yeah, i must have misread and conflated those
[18:52] <nacc> mwhudson: would you be able to look at the memcached (test failure) and libwebp (compile failure) ftbfs on armhf? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/285962179/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-armhf.memcached_1.4.25-2ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz and https://launchpadlibrarian.net/285964171/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-armhf.libwebp_0.5.1-2_BUILDING.txt.gz respectively. I don't know enough about arm to know where to start :/
[19:00] <xnox> bdmurray, working on them. Will send a merge proposal for review soon.
[19:02] <bdmurray> xnox: cool, thanks!
[19:39] <nemo> So... This isn't really about ubuntu-the-distro... But, I've been continually impressed with how much more awesome mozjpeg is than basically anything else out there on default settings at making a jpeg w/ minimum artifacts.
[19:39] <nemo> I was curious if anyone out there was maintaining a PPA that offered it as a dropin for the standard libjpeg
[19:39] <nemo> it's been a couple of years since mozjpeg 3.0 release
[19:40] <nemo> tried poking around on launchpad but didn't see anything obv
[20:05] <mwhudson> nacc: i guess nuking 32 bit arm from orbit would be a bit premature
[20:05] <nacc> mwhudson: :)
[20:05] <nacc> mwhudson: thanks for looking...
[20:06] <mwhudson> nacc: it's a bit lazy, but have you retried the memcached one?
[20:07] <nacc> mwhudson: no, i haven't -- not entirely sure how i retry them?
[20:07] <mwhudson> nacc: find the build page, click retry
[20:07] <nacc> ah
[20:08] <mwhudson> or try it on the porter or whatever
[20:09] <nacc> hrm, i htink i have insufficient permissions? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20160916/+build/10821181
[20:09] <mwhudson> nacc: where is that libwepb failure from?
[20:09] <mwhudson> a test rebuild or something?
[20:09] <nacc> mwhudson: both are from http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/test-rebuild-20160916-yakkety.html#ubuntu-server
[20:09] <mwhudson> ah
[20:09] <nacc> yeah
[20:09] <mwhudson> ah so retrying might not be so simple
[20:10] <nacc> yeah :)
[20:11] <nacc> i am assuming i could ask doko to do it manually :)
[20:11] <mwhudson> huh why is that linking to a bug from 2014?
[20:11] <mwhudson> nacc: is there a new gcc for the test rebuild?
[20:12] <mwhudson> nacc: anyway, doko would be a better bet for figuring out what's going on there, some change in gcc defaults causing trouble
[20:12] <mwhudson> i think
[20:12] <nacc> mwhudson: ack, i'm not sure if there was in that one ... there was a second link in doko's email to the linaro-gcc 6 builds, but that failed the same way
[20:12] <mwhudson> hmm
[20:13] <mwhudson> i'll try building it on rugby i guess
[20:13] <nacc> i'm still learning about all of this, tbh :) just trying to fix as many as i can
[20:13] <doko> nacc: given back
[20:14] <mwhudson> nacc: i'm not sure i'd call myself an expert :)
[20:15] <nacc> doko: which? :)
[20:16] <mwhudson> memcached
[20:19] <nacc> doko: interestingly, yakkety can't build the debian seabios either, so i'm guessing it's a compiler change, but i have little idea what (unless it's just more pedantic about the parens)
[20:24] <mwhudson> memcached failed again in the same way
[20:27] <mwhudson> and on the porter too
[20:27] <nacc> mwhudson: would you be able to test current debian/sid ?
[20:27] <mwhudson> uh
[20:28] <mwhudson> not so easily
[20:28] <nacc> not debian itself, just the version of memcached
[20:28] <mwhudson> ah ok
[20:28] <mwhudson> yes, that should be doable
[20:28] <nacc> 1.4.31-1 i think
[20:30] <mwhudson> uh
[20:30] <mwhudson> surely there is a debian mirror squid.internal is allowed to access
[20:31] <mwhudson> heh https://launchpad.net/debian/+archive/primary/+files/memcached_1.4.31-1.dsc works
[20:31] <nacc> nice
[20:31] <mwhudson> nacc: the yakkety package fails to build in the xenial chroot too, fwiw
[20:31] <nacc> mwhudson: ah good check, thanks
[20:32] <mwhudson> nacc: and the debian package too!
[20:35] <nacc> interesting -- as it definitely builds under debian: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=memcached&arch=armhf&ver=1.4.31-1&stamp=1471823239
[20:35] <nacc> *built, i've not tested current, i guess
[20:37] <ventrical> Mark... I downloaded the current ubuntu iso , installed unity8 desktop and it is in bare bones condition. Could you please tell me whats up with the unity8 project?
[20:40] <mwhudson> nacc: do you have access to any arm64 hw?
[20:41] <ventrical> anyone else out there have any idea why the unity8 desktop is deprecating
[20:41] <ventrical> no ... I am working on the amd64 version without ppa.
[20:41] <nacc> mwhudson: not immediately, but i could probably try to find some access
[20:42] <ventrical> sorree i thought I was being spoken too :)
[20:42] <mwhudson> nacc: wondering about mk-sbuild sid && sbuild -d sid memcached_1.4.31-1
[20:43] <nacc> mwhudson: i'm assuming crossbuild (if that's even possible) isn't sufficient given the testcase failure?
[20:45] <mwhudson> nacc: yeah
[20:45] <mwhudson> nacc: i guess trying to see what this testcase is testing is probably also worth doing ;-)
[20:46] <nacc> mwhudson: yep, on my todo :)
[20:46]  * nacc was hoping it would be something obvious to you, but will dig into it more at this point :)
[20:49] <nacc> doko: fyi, seabios builds fine in xenial (yakkety and debian versions of the package). So I think it must be a compiler issue?
[20:49] <ventrical> BUMP! Any status reports of the current state of unity8?
[20:51] <mwhudson> nacc: it's a bit strange, i don't even understand which test case is failing
[20:51] <nacc> mwhudson: yeah the log is hard to parse
[20:51] <mwhudson> nacc: and why doesn't the test stop after the message "Terminated" is printed
[20:51] <mwhudson> ah, it forks
[20:54] <cjwatson> ventrical: I'm not at all involved with it and cannot answer any further questions, but I think it's still something of a work in progress.  You could try #ubuntu-unity perhaps.
[20:55] <doko> nacc: could be, but all these boot related packages are usually touchy with new compiler versions... try to build with optimization disabled, or with -O1, and/or watch for warnings
[20:55] <ventrical> ok.... I tried ubuntu-unity8  but nobody there... lets see..  and thanks..
[20:56] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-unity8 doesn't exist
[20:56] <ventrical> ok
[20:56] <cjwatson> note that the IRC server will auto-create a channel if you try to join it
[20:56] <cjwatson> so you can /join any random garbage and it'll show you that you've joined but nobody else is there
[20:56] <ventrical> ahhh .. thanks .. I got it now..
[20:57] <doko> nacc: maybe try first to disable pie
[20:57] <doko> because there is no debian rc issue
[20:57] <nacc> doko: for seabios?
[20:57] <doko> yes
[20:58] <nacc> doko: ack, will do, thanks!
[21:02] <mwhudson> nacc: oh that message about signals is a red herring
[21:09] <mwhudson> nacc: no i officially don't know what's going on :)
[21:09] <nacc> mwhudson: :) thank you very much for looking at all
[21:12] <mwhudson> nacc: a call to read() on a socket is reading 0 bytes and the test code blows up at that
[21:12] <mwhudson> that's about as much as i know :)
[21:12] <mwhudson> during tests of binary get
[21:22] <dobey> how do i make something built with dh-golang, that uses vendor internally, build against packaged version of said vendored code, without removing it from the upstream tree?
[21:23] <dobey> mwhudson: ^^ might you know?
[21:27] <nemo> https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet  ←  why I'm going to move straight from 14.04 LTS to devuan
[21:27] <dobey> ventrical: the unity8 session on yakkety ISO is meant to be a "tech preview" and not a final product
[22:00] <doko> nacc: memcached failed again
[23:02] <nacc> doko: ack, it was mostly a shot int he dark that it might work; mwhudson's analysis points at some real issue, still need to spend time to track it down
[23:02] <mwhudson> nacc: fwiw things that only fail on armhf usually turn out to be alignment
[23:04] <mwhudson> although i can't see how here
[23:04] <nacc> mwhudson: yeah nothing obvious showed up to me; so i'm now wondering about optimization flags, etc. like doko mentioned
[23:07] <nacc> doko: as to mako, do you want me to upload my fix (which does build?) I've sent the same upstream, but no comments yet
[23:07] <nacc> doko: and also sent to debian
[23:45] <nacc> doko: good call on the PIE on seabios -- it seems like the makefile is using -no-pie, but it should be using -fno-pie. builds with that


[04:27] <barrydk> More almal
[05:03] <Jacques_StrY> Morning all
[05:18] <Kilos> hi barrydk  mazal  nlsthzn  and others
[05:18] <Jacques_StrY> Morning Kilos
[05:18] <Kilos> hi Jacques_StrY  you early hey
[05:19] <Jacques_StrY> Yea, still at home - I'm on vacation :)
[05:19] <Kilos> ohi hibana  still keeping an eye on inetpro
[05:19] <Kilos> lekker
[05:19] <Kilos> school holidays?
[05:20] <Jacques_StrY> Yea
[05:20] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:20] <Jacques_StrY> one of the positives of working at a school
[05:20]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[05:20] <Kilos> lol
[05:20] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:20] <barrydk> More almal
[05:20]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[05:22] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  dont you want to get involved in my project
[05:22] <Jacques_StrY> what project?
[05:22] <Kilos> sjoe you dont know even
[05:22] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[05:22] <Kilos>  /j ubuntu-africa
[05:22] <Kilos> read the topic
[05:26] <Kilos> havent you read my wiki page?
[05:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:26] <Jacques_StrY> I have - but I have a very bad memory
[05:26] <Jacques_StrY> >.<
[05:27] <Kilos> lol
[05:28] <Jacques_StrY> Gonna be installing 30 of these computers in a few weeks: http://www.proline.co.za/#!/product/6942
[05:28] <Jacques_StrY> Only with SSD - and they come pre-installed with ubuntu
[05:28] <Kilos> thats why we are building an ubuntu-africa site so that anyone the seven starts with ubuntu can find the channel right away
[05:28] <Jacques_StrY> gonna be a sad man when I install Win on them
[05:29] <Kilos> lemme see
[05:30] <Kilos> pre installed with ubuntu and then wiped and win installed
[05:30] <Jacques_StrY> :(
[05:30] <Kilos> thats blasphemy
[05:30] <Kilos> supposed to be the other way around
[05:30] <Jacques_StrY> Yea
[05:31] <Kilos> thats more fun
[05:33] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[05:33] <Kilos> they actually quite cheap hey Jacques_StrY
[05:34] <Padroni> morning guys
[05:34] <Jacques_StrY> thay are and come with mounting bracket for back of lcd
[05:34] <Jacques_StrY> Morning Padroni
[05:34] <Padroni> today seems to be update Thursday
[05:34] <Kilos> wow
[05:34] <Padroni> Everything is updating: Ubuntu / Steam / Warthunder
[05:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:35] <Padroni> Went for that interview yesterday Kilos
[05:35] <Padroni> 15 min in, they have loadshedding in JHB and interview is over
[05:35] <Kilos> coll and?
[05:35] <Kilos> cool
[05:35] <Padroni> so now we reschedule
[05:35] <Kilos> lol
[05:36] <Padroni> 1H40min in traffic back home
[05:37] <Kilos> i thought you are in capetown
[05:37] <Padroni> I live 40Km from Cape Town
[05:37] <Padroni> The N2 was a parkinglot yesterday
[05:37] <Kilos> lol
[05:38] <Jacques_StrY> hah
[05:38] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[05:39] <Kilos> does load shedding affect freeways as well
[05:39] <Padroni> The N2, yes
[05:40] <Padroni> and only where it goes through Somerset West
[05:40] <Padroni> as it has traffic lights on there
[05:40] <Kilos> eish
[05:40] <Padroni> quite the clusterfuck, trust me
[05:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:48] <Kilos> poor pro musta had a wet trip to work today on his bike
[05:49] <Kilos> if i disappear it my turn for loadshedding
[06:04] <Kilos> i like hibana he never used to man, rtfs,rtfm or any of those painful things to me
[06:13] <Kilos> hi ton
[06:13] <Kilos> ai!
[06:20] <superfly> a brief "hi"
[06:20] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:23]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[06:23] <Padroni> hi superfly
[06:30] <Kilos> oi Padroni  what you breaking again
[06:42] <Padroni_> had to reboot my proxy
[06:42] <Padroni_> or firewall, rather
[06:42] <Kilos> ai!
[06:43] <Padroni> price of doing business with Telkom my friend
[06:43] <Kilos> i love telkom
[06:43] <Kilos> they keep me online
[06:44] <Padroni> lol
[06:44] <Padroni> so it's you
[06:44] <Padroni> I heard rumours of someone being happy with their service
[06:44] <Padroni> never thought I'd meet that guy though
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:45] <Kilos> their mobile service is the best
[06:46] <Kilos> ask the pro
[06:49] <Padroni> I am actually on a Telkom cell contract
[06:49] <Padroni> can't complain
[06:49] <Kilos> ya you see
[06:49] <Padroni> although I get MTN signal sometimes as well
[06:49] <Padroni> oddly enough
[06:49] <Kilos> roaming
[06:49] <Padroni> my phone seems to use whatever is available
[06:51] <Padroni> I signed up with vidi.co.za
[06:51] <Padroni> so we now use them instead of DSTV
[06:52] <Padroni> R150/month for streaming movies / series
[06:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:55] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:55] <inetpro> hmm...
[06:55] <Kilos> hello inetpro
[06:55] <inetpro> hibana: you are fired!
[06:55] <hibana> ai!
[06:55] <Kilos> nono
[06:55] <Kilos> i like hibana
[06:55] <hibana> bye everyone
[06:56] <Kilos> gentleman of the first class
[06:56] <Kilos> cheers hibana
[06:56] <Kilos> ai!
[06:56]  * Kilos sad again
[06:57] <Kilos> now we only got old grumpy
[06:58] <Squirm> Morning
[06:58] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:01] <Padroni> hi inetpro
[07:04] <Padroni> I would enjoy online gaming more
[07:04] <Padroni> if they didn't insist on 7GB updates every now and then
[07:04] <Padroni> I mean - REALLY?
[07:04] <Kilos> wow
[07:05] <Padroni> how are we as gamers supposed to compete with the yanks
[07:05] <Kilos> lol
[07:05] <Padroni> when we have 4Mb lines, and they have 150Mb lines?
[07:05] <Padroni> I mean - I kick ass on Warthunder
[07:06] <Padroni> but get kicked so often due to my high ping
[07:06] <Kilos> you gotta go to an area with fibre
[07:06] <Padroni> we should NOT have to relocate for better internet
[07:06] <Padroni> it should be the standard, not the exception
[07:07] <Kilos> operative word should
[07:07] <Padroni> i mean damnit
[07:07] <Padroni> there are kids dying of hunger in Africa, but with <100ms ping at their disposal
[07:07] <Squirm> Padroni: we're getting there
[07:07] <Padroni> it ain't right, I tell you
[07:08] <Squirm> Padroni: this is a speedtest I ran from our office last night
[07:08] <Squirm> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fmy-result%2F4240692665&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF1shTCRLoMXLiKFNJIJTnXAxtDVA
[07:08] <Squirm> Huh
[07:08] <Squirm> Interesting link
[07:08] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4240692665\
[07:08] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4240692665
[07:09] <Squirm> :/
[07:09] <Padroni>  Squirm
[07:09] <Jacques_StrY> haha - I love my IPFire Server - I can play play online games and the rest can YouTube etc. and no diffrence
[07:09] <Padroni> Where do you work, and when can I send my CV
[07:09] <Squirm> :P
[07:09] <Padroni> also - I will need a room for my stuff
[07:09] <Squirm> We were bumped up from 20mb/s
[07:10] <Squirm> and in the near future, 100mb/s
[07:10] <Padroni> that's datacentre speeds
[07:10] <Padroni> ...
[07:10]  * Kilos jealous
[07:10] <Squirm> 3ms ping
[07:10] <Squirm> I'm tempted to stay late just to test out my lag
[07:10] <Squirm> well, lack of lag
[07:11] <Padroni> stop
[07:11] <Padroni> please
[07:11] <Padroni> just stop
[07:11]  * Padroni cries silently
[07:11] <Squirm> But alas
[07:11] <Jacques_StrY> thos a seriously datacentre speeds...
[07:11] <Squirm> I'll run it now
[07:11] <Jacques_StrY> those are*
[07:12] <Squirm> Oh right, no degradation of speed
[07:12] <Squirm> I think lots of people are working from home today
[07:12] <Squirm> during the day, I get a speedtest of about 22Mb/s down and 40MB/s up
[07:13] <Squirm> Still a lovely 3ms ping though
[07:13]  * pieter2627 received comment that he is looking greenish white
[07:13] <Squirm> lol
[07:14] <Padroni> 200mb to go
[07:14] <Padroni> then my warthunder is updated
[07:15] <Padroni> unless there's another update after that
[07:15] <Padroni> in which case
[07:15] <Padroni> I will cry again
[07:16] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:22]  * Jacques_StrY waves
[07:24] <Jacques_StrY> brb server restart
[07:26] <Kilos> that was fast
[07:27] <Jacques_StrY> just restarted my IPFire server
[07:29] <Jacques_StrY> think i'm gonna test out MAAS + OPENSTACK + JUJU on VM's on my pc just for fun
[07:32] <Jacques_StrY> Going out for a bit - see later
[07:41] <Kilos> hi bmg505
[07:42] <Kilos> you been quiet for ages
[07:42] <Padroni> hi bmg505
[07:46] <Kilos> that was a short bit Jacques_StrY
[07:47] <Jacques_StrY> Convenience store run
[07:47] <Kilos> married men shouldnt be going out for a bit anyway
[07:47] <Jacques_StrY> not married :)
[07:47] <Kilos> oh
[07:47] <Kilos> you one of those
[07:48] <Jacques_StrY> ouch!
[07:48] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[07:48] <Kilos> love them all and marry none
[07:48] <Kilos> and bring up your kids the same way
[07:48] <Jacques_StrY> ai! No I'm single
[07:48] <Kilos> rofl
[07:51] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  fixit
[07:52] <Kilos> that stupid members wiki page doesnt show name when it adds the launchpad id
[07:52] <Kilos> and langjan is Greeff not single f
[07:53] <Kilos> why does everything get difficult
[07:53] <Jacques_StrY> should i check if I can fix?
[07:53] <Kilos> ya that will save the pro from an ai!
[07:54] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[07:54] <Kilos> it used to show names when in edit mode now it doesnt
[07:54] <Kilos> grrr
[07:55] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[07:56] <Kilos> wat breek jy
[07:56] <pieter2627> Hi Kilos
[07:56] <pieter2627> Ek breek niks nie :)
[07:57] <Kilos> lol
[07:58] <pieter2627> wat het met gister se mem leak gebeur?
[07:58] <Kilos> van waar?
[07:59] <Kilos> ek het dit gemis dink ek
[08:00] <pieter2627> oh ... (die 300mb van langjan... swapon...)
[08:01] <Kilos> o hy het nog nie laat weet nie
[08:02] <Kilos> pieter2627  is jy ingeskryf by ons mailing list
[08:02] <mazal> maaz wanneer braai ons ?
[08:02] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[08:02] <pieter2627> Kilos nee. wat is als op die mailing list?
[08:03] <Kilos> man mazal  die bot is ingils
[08:03] <mazal> maaz when do we have a bbq ?
[08:03] <Maaz> mazal: Not a clue, sorry
[08:03] <mazal> lol
[08:03] <Kilos> dis waar mense hulp vra voor hulle leer van hierdie kanaal
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> bbq is not braai
[08:03] <Jacques_StrY> Kilos: I added Jan's 'f' but he names show on my screen in edit mode
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> (morning)
[08:03] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy
[08:03] <Jacques_StrY> Morning
[08:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:03] <mazal> What is braai in english ?
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> braai
[08:04] <Kilos> ah ty Jacques_StrY
[08:05] <Kilos> let me go to edit mode again
[08:06] <Kilos> i dont see names  just ||   || then lp addy
[08:06] <Kilos> what did i break now
[08:06] <pieter2627> Kilos  ok, sal bietjie daarna kyk
[08:07] <Kilos> dankie pieter2627
[08:08] <Jacques_StrY> Kilos: dunno try viewing in fox or chrome?
[08:09] <Kilos> ok
[08:10] <Kilos> nope chrome shows the same
[08:10] <Kilos> i think the pro has blocked me from messing up
[08:11]  * Kilos hides
[08:11] <Kilos> i dont have fox installed even
[08:11] <Jacques_StrY> I'm working on chrome
[08:11] <Jacques_StrY> So shouldn't be that
[08:13] <Kilos> i like opera browser because it has an addon called fbpurity so i dont see russins chicks looking for husbands and porn chicks adverts
[08:14] <Kilos> and it does about everything i think
[08:16] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[08:16] <Jacques_StrY> you get add blockers on the other browsers too
[08:16] <Kilos> i have ex wives and a daughter that watch me on fb
[08:17] <Kilos> opera was much lighter than the fox
[08:17] <Kilos> i used to be on a slow pc so used all the light stuff
[08:24] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:27] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:52] <Padroni> http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/
[08:59] <Kilos> hmm... good catch this morning
[08:59] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  explains things so much better than i do
[08:59] <Kilos> ty Jacques_StrY
[09:00] <Jacques_StrY> NP Kilos
[09:06] <Jacques_StrY> Stage 2 load shedding from 12:00
[09:06] <Kilos> eish
[09:07] <Jacques_StrY> Padroni: Good find - looks like C++ still wins :)
[09:31] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows davey?
[09:34] <Kilos> wb Jacques_StrY
[09:34] <drussell> Kilos: good thx, yourself?
[09:34] <Jacques_StrY> dunno why I got DC'd
[09:35] <Kilos> good ty drussell
[09:35] <Kilos> haha
[10:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:41] <Padroni> oh great
[10:41] <Kilos> what what
[10:41] <Padroni> Section 205 subpoena
[10:41] <Padroni> court.  again.
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:43] <Kilos> ai!
[10:44] <Kilos> wb inetpro  get hibana to fix things for you
[10:45] <inetpro> ai!
[11:28] <Kilos> ai!
[11:29] <Jacques_Stry> networks must be messing around
[11:29] <Kilos> yip
[11:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> note to self, when fiddling with an android device and repeatedly swearing because the @#$#$%@# recovery won't see the microsd card, despite using multiple versions of multiple flavours of recovery, check the make sure that the microsd is actually in the tablet
[13:15] <Jacques_Stry> Nooooo.....
[13:15] <Jacques_Stry> ouch!
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> now to see if a 3-year-old dinosaur can handle some lollipop goodness
[13:25] <Squirm> Hey all
[13:25] <Squirm> Symmetria: is there anyway I can try a speed test to the TENET mirror?
[13:25] <Jacques_Stry> good luck ThatGraemeGuy , what device?
[13:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> galaxy tab 2 10-inch
[13:47] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: ai!
[13:48] <Jacques_Stry> I stil have a galaxy tab 10.1 (version1) :)
[14:19] <Padroni> I'm off
[14:19] <Padroni> later guys
[14:19]  * Padroni waves
[15:18] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:21] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[15:21] <Mopkop> Hello Kilos!
[15:22] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit seun?
[15:22] <Mopkop> Almost done with the site. Lost 2 hours last night due to loadshedding.
[15:22] <Mopkop> Baie om voor dankbaar te wees. Dankie oom. En self?
[15:22] <Kilos> ai!
[15:23] <Kilos> where can i view what you have done lad?
[15:23] <Kilos> ek is goed dankie,
[15:23] <Kilos> im quite excited to see what you have done
[15:24] <Mopkop> I'm not done yet. I still have the home page and the 'Get Ubuntu' page to do.
[15:25] <Mopkop> As soos as I'm finished, I'll commit the changes to Launchpad :)
[15:25] <Kilos> ok ill be patient
[15:25] <Kilos> :D
[15:27] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  found ubuntu-benin for me today
[15:27] <Kilos> on facebook. i never looked for anything there
[15:39] <Mopkop> :'(
[15:40] <Mopkop> More loadshedding tonight!
[15:40] <Kilos> eish
[15:40] <Mopkop> Oh, did you contact benin yet?
[15:40] <Kilos> strangely we havent gone off yesterday or today
[15:40] <Kilos> yes one of them has joined #ubuntu-africa
[15:50] <Squirm> Afternoon
[15:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[15:50] <Mopkop> Hello Squirm!
[16:00] <Kilos> nlsthzn  so silent?
[16:03] <Squirm> superfly: enjoy that load shedding :P
[16:03] <Kilos> haai shame man
[16:03] <Kilos> how is he gonna make supper
[16:03] <Kilos> lotsa hungry maggots
[16:21] <Squirm> Lol
[16:22] <Kilos> hi spinza  why so quiet?
[16:24] <Kilos> wb pieter2627  i heard from oom jan
[16:25] <Kilos> he says changing graphics usage in bios down to 128m and swapon has the lappy running lekker en hy se dankie vir almal
[16:27] <pieter2627> Yea loadshedding... 'oom jan', I've seen most ooming you here, which I suspect i should be doing too
[16:27] <pieter2627> Glad he got it sorted
[16:28] <Kilos> no man im fine he is 8 years older than me
[16:29] <Kilos> adding oom is just more typing
[16:31] <pieter2627> Maybe, but saying it is also more vocalization which never stopped anyone :)
[16:31] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <Kilos> i think some oom me because i told them not to
[16:32] <pieter2627> LOL... thats always a good (fun) reason to do it
[16:33] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[16:34] <pieter2627> But if he had to `swapon`, then his swap is of by default?
[16:35] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[16:35] <SDCDev> 10 days until I make my move to Jeffreys Bay :D
[16:35] <SDCDev> so close
[16:35] <Kilos> you moving there or just going on holiday?
[16:38] <Kilos> yes pieter2627  i dont know what happened there. normally swap is on. but that was a jinx lappy from the beginning
[16:44] <Kilos> it even gave probs with windows, such as random hanging
[16:46] <Kilos> SDCDev  i asked if you going to jbay full time!
[16:53] <SDCDev> yeaaah :D
[16:54] <SDCDev> super excited
[16:54] <SDCDev> new home :)
[16:54] <Kilos> great
[16:54] <SDCDev> Going to convert my gran into a ubuntu user ;) she's still on windows xp
[16:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:21] <Kilos> moppie wen jy?
[17:32] <Mopkop> Jip, I'll just have to spell-check everything before I submit .
[17:33] <Kilos> yoohooo
[17:34] <Kilos> paste somewhere and ill help you
[17:35] <Mopkop> Ok.  I could type, but the blinker did not show :(
[17:41] <Kilos> ai!
[17:41] <Mopkop> It shows in vim at least...
[17:41] <Kilos> eish you use vim as well
[17:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:42] <Kilos> ek te dom
[17:43] <Mopkop> I don't like it, but it decorates everything in colours, so I know when I make a mistake.
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Mopkop> It's the first time I'm using .rst files, so I'm likely to make some mistake....
[17:45] <Kilos> the pro and fly will review so dont worry
[17:46] <Kilos> but you are learning fast
[17:47] <Mopkop> The best way to learn is on the Job. That reminds me. Today I have been using Ubuntu for 1 month!
[17:47] <Kilos> congrats
[17:48] <Kilos> you fitted in here quickly
[17:48] <Mopkop> It's because the greeter bot made me feel so welcome :)
[17:49] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:51] <Mopkop> Loadshedding in 9 mins :(
[17:51] <Kilos> ai!
[17:57] <Kilos> wow we down to 31 nicks
[17:59] <Mopkop> A lot of loadshedding, I guess... :)
[18:00] <Kilos> hey Mopkop  you must convert more peeps from your college to use buntu
[18:01] <Kilos> en pa en sy besigheid
[18:05] <nlsthzn> sorry uncle Kilos ... just had work and little one keeping me busy... not touching the PC all that much currently
[18:05] <Kilos> np nlsthzn  i was just checking
[18:06] <Kilos> as long as you dont disappear im happy
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro  investigate
[18:34] <Kilos> squirm and trixar and QA all disappear at the same time
[18:34] <Kilos> where is that linode server they are using
[18:39] <Kilos> must be where there is loadsheeding atm
[18:40] <Kilos> QA needs to find a server that doesnt shu down
[18:40] <Kilos> shut
[19:33] <inetpro> good evening
[19:33] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:34] <inetpro> oh and hello oom Kilos
[19:34] <Kilos> no one talking to me
[19:34] <Kilos> no man
[19:34] <Kilos> better if every one drops the oom
[19:35] <inetpro> uh
[19:37] <Kilos> internet in a bad state i think
[19:38] <Kilos> kulelu88  you late
[19:38] <kulelu88> hello
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <kulelu88> late for party?
[19:39] <Kilos> no man its about bed time for me already
[19:39] <kulelu88> oom you sleep too early.
[19:39] <kulelu88> watch some series
[19:39] <Kilos> i want game of thrones but too much data downloading stuff
[19:40] <Kilos> id rather get 15.04 so i can see whats new
[19:41] <kulelu88> oom just ask  1 of your neighbours for series
[19:42] <Kilos> all neighbours in same boat
[19:42] <Kilos> but also watching tv for hours sucks
[19:42] <Kilos> not good for head
[19:43] <Kilos> and stop the oom oom all the time
[19:43] <Kilos> makes me feel old
[19:44] <kulelu88> must I say oupa instead? :D
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:44]  * Kilos hits kulu
[19:44] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:44] <kulelu88> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> kulelu88
[19:47]  * inetpro hands the sjambok back to Kilos
[19:47] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:47] <Kilos> ek begin worry nou oor daai board ding
[19:49] <Kilos> kulelu88  when are you applying for membership?
[19:49] <kulelu88> I can't commit to a membership
[19:50] <Kilos> why
[19:50] <kulelu88> I have other OSS commitments
[19:50] <Kilos> strange word that can't
[19:51] <Kilos> you can still become a member of ubuntu-za
[19:51] <kulelu88> how?
[19:52] <Kilos> ask inetpro  too late for me to think now
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: why you worry so much?
[19:52] <kulelu88> ^^
[19:53] <Kilos> because i want to take the list with me when i go
[19:54] <inetpro> kulelu88: what list?
[19:54] <Kilos> sigh
[19:54] <kulelu88> wrong guy
[19:54] <Kilos> the list of members man
[19:55] <Kilos> cant get up there and be told youve only touched 17 peeps lives
[19:55] <inetpro> ai!
[19:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:56] <kulelu88> I don't think you'll be asked about ubuntu
[19:56] <Kilos> you get asked about everything
[19:57] <Kilos> i want peeps to say remember when Kilos  was here, you had to scroll back pages every day to catch up
[20:14] <superfly> kulelu88: Kilos gets confused. there are two memberships he talks about: Ubuntu-ZA membership, and Ubuntu membership
[20:15] <superfly> kulelu88: but the reality is that neither of them actually mean you have to do anything ;-)
[20:16] <Kilos> ya
[20:16] <Kilos> taking a saying from sport
[20:16] <Kilos> you do it for the love of the game
[20:21] <kulelu88> :D
[20:32] <superfly> although, with the Ubuntu membership thing you need to show that you've (a) contributed significantly to Ubuntu, and (b) that you are going to continue contributing
[20:40] <kulelu88> sounds like unpaid labour @ superfly
[20:40] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> without that there would be no ubuntu or many other systems
[20:41] <kulelu88> people contribute ad-hoc. they want me to show "you are going to continue contributing"
[20:42] <Kilos> wb Squirm
[20:42] <Kilos> na man not that bad kulelu88
[20:44] <Kilos> the world of floss isnt for ninnies
[20:45] <kulelu88> that's why I said I have other commitments oom
[20:46] <Kilos> lol
[20:46]  * inetpro falling asleep
[20:46] <inetpro> good night
[20:46] <Kilos> being a member of ubuntu-za doesnt require any commitment
[20:47] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:47] <Kilos> other than being here when you can
[20:48] <Kilos> we dont push anyone unless their wheels are a bit rusty
[20:52] <Kilos> superfly  jy moet bietjie slaap nou en dan man
[20:52] <Kilos> im ready to crash too
[20:52] <superfly> heh
[20:53] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:53] <superfly> I'll sleep when I'm dead :-P
[20:53] <Kilos> eish
[20:53] <Kilos> thats not healthy man, your family needs you for many years to come


[00:06] <zequence> Len-nb: I need to do more testing, but from what it seems, nouveau does in deed seem lousy for low latency
[00:07] <zequence> The difference I got from cyclictest was around 10x more latency when stressing on nouveau
[00:08] <Len-nb> Could be. It depends on what someone is doing. moving a solitaire card across the screen takes a lot of system use.
[00:09] <Len-nb> zequence, lowlatency should be tested with audio SW (or video editing).
[00:09] <Len-nb> testing with games or other desktop sw does not make sense,
[00:12] <zequence> Len-nb: What you do is you run jack, and see if you make it have audio dropouts.
[00:13] <zequence> With a jack application, of course
[00:13] <zequence> Funny. Now I'm suddenly having the same sort of performance as I did on Natty almost
[00:13] <zequence> Not a single xrun on 64 f/p.
[00:14] <zequence> As long as you're not using other realtime processes, it doesn't really matter what it is. It shouldn't budge the audio process
[00:14] <Len-nb> Ya my testing was with 32 and audio apps setting cpu to 60% or so, no drop outs for over an hour.
[00:15] <Len-nb> firefox was on and  did go from workspace to workspace
[00:16] <Len-nb> I haven't had problems at 64 even with hyperthreads on.
[00:16] <zequence> Len-nb: What kind of graphics do you have on that machine?
[00:17] <Len-nb> older nvidia
[00:17] <Len-nb> open driver
[00:18] <zequence> There are some variables at play here.  This is a farily modern card.
[00:18] <Len-nb> Gotta run... the family wants to go bowling
[04:03] <Len-nb> zequence, I think that is the divider, I have an old card. The driver has gotten better for me in that it handles more things, but I have not seen any speed increase.
[04:04] <Len-nb> With the newer card the driver tries to do more and prolly needs more work.
[04:42] <len-1304> zequence, have you looked at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org at all? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test has a list of better and worse MB for low latency work.
[04:44] <len-1304> There is a trouble shooting link from that page that when talking video says "Avoid anything nvidia"  :)
[10:08] <zequence> len-1304: Well, nvidia may be a problem, but considering nouveau are open, those can be made efficient.
[10:09] <zequence> And they've probably not been working on getting their drivers to work well in realtime enivronments
[10:10] <zequence> len-1304: I saw rt-tests has a tool for measuring HW latency. Need to look more on that
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Hey zequence
[10:12] <zequence> smartboyhw: hi
[10:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, working on a Ubuntu Studio release checklist as said earlier
[10:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: good. on the wiki?
[10:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, not yet. I don't like editing on the wiki for the draft... I will push it to the wiki soon, possibly in 4-5 hours
[10:15] <zequence> I'm much too unprofessional to do it properly myself. I tend to edit the wikis directly
[10:15] <smartboyhw> oh
[10:16] <zequence> len-1304: you should try using a realtime kernel, just to see the difference. debian wheezy has one which at least on my machine performs better than with -lowlatency
[10:58] <zequence> len-1304: you should probably be able to run ice1712 at 16 f/p, but it'll creash easily, if you start any kind of jack program with it
[13:00] <smartboyhw> zequence, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleaseProcedure
[13:00] <smartboyhw> First draft
[13:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: Nice work. Just one note. We should try to keep the release specific work as much contained within the group that handles the relase
[13:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, i.e. which step?:P
[13:07] <zequence> smartboyhw: I don't think the doc team should handle release notes. The doc team is more of a User Guide writing team
[13:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, sorry
[13:07]  * smartboyhw edits it
[13:08] <zequence> Better either a release team does that, or the core team. I might prefer the release team in this case
[13:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, ok..... If scott-work wants to use the -core team I will edit it
[13:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, edited the doc-team -> release team part
[13:11] <zequence> smartboyhw: Seems like that was the only thing actually. One thing I would like to do though, is to condense the text. This is purely form a practical point of view. Each point should be as short as possible, and only contain words and links you absolutely need in order to understand what the point is about
[13:12] <zequence> For example, point one, I would write: Dev Team ensures all milestone targetted bugs are fixed for this release.
[13:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. We need to simplify. But then I like technical things:P
[13:13] <zequence> Or, for "the release"
[13:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's just a detail, but one I think is important. It makes it so much easier for other people to follow what the plan is
[13:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[13:16] <zequence> This is something I try to think about all the time, when I write docs. If you can formulate information in a way which is time efficient to read, and also easy to understand, chances are people will be more efficient with their work, as the clues to what they need to do are so easy to follow
[13:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[13:17] <zequence> Assume everyone is a lazy moron
[13:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, lol
[13:17]  * smartboyhw is one
[13:17] <zequence> I wouldn't suggest for you to do it this way, if you were writing docs for IBM
[13:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
[14:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, do you remember the rt ticket we submitted? When will it be done?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Clearly the Canonical IS isn;t listening
[15:20] <len-1304> zequence, Re, RT stuff in general. I would be interested in the video editors POV.
[15:21] <len-1304> I don't know how important latency is for that.
[15:21] <len-1304> For the graphics person, raw throughput is probably more important.
[15:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, someone in #ubuntu+1 said
 interesting, we've been changed to the -lowlatency kernel build
[15:26] <smartboyhw> !?
[15:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, as it turns out: that guy actually manually used our kernel cause it's good


[05:40] <MooDoo> howdy all
[06:37] <Kilos> o/
[08:22] <elacheche> p/
[08:22] <elacheche> o/
[08:31] <Kilos> o/
[12:33] <ahoneybun> \o
[12:34] <MooDoo> o/
[12:34]  * ahoneybun waits for his LoCo'
[12:34] <ahoneybun> s renewal
[12:38] <MooDoo> :)
[12:39] <Kilos> yay ahoneybun you renewing as well
[12:40] <ahoneybun> yea we have a bug report and all up
[12:40] <ahoneybun> the pages been up as well
[13:14] <ahoneybun> yep Kilos
[14:37] <mhall119> nhaines: ping
[14:38] <svij> mhall119: are you pinging him for the LoCo Healthcheck mail?
[14:38] <mhall119> yup
[14:38] <svij> he forgot to include you in the mail
[14:38]  * svij forwards
[14:39] <mhall119> lol
[14:39] <mhall119> did it go to the rest of the community team?
[14:39] <svij> no only loco council
[14:39] <svij> should I forward to all of you?
[14:39] <mhall119> yes please
[14:40] <Kilos> and me please
[14:44]  * genii makes more coffee and washes out the mugs
[14:44] <svij> mhall119: done
[14:45] <svij> Kilos: sorry, this ewas unrelated to you
[14:45] <Kilos> ok
[14:45] <Kilos> hehe
[14:53] <mhall119> thanks svij
[17:55] <dpm> thanks svij for the detailed meeting notes
[17:57] <svij> you should thank nhaines, dpm
[17:57] <dpm> ok, thanks to all who took part in the meeting in any case :)
[17:58] <dpm> and with this, I'll call it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[18:55] <lina_> Hi, I want to know if the re-approval process for LoCoS is still working?
[18:59] <Kilos> just hang here a while lina_ someone will help you when they get time
[18:59] <tsimonq2> !lococouncil | lina_
[18:59]  * tsimonq2 runs
[18:59] <tsimonq2> :P
[19:00] <lina_> thank u!


[05:45] <john> Using Ubuntu 11.10, I have installed this on several computers now. I have notice that on some systems when attempting to drag and drop an icon like "terminal" from the dash home to the desktop to make it easy to get too I notice the icon does not look like the one presented in dash home, it has some other look to it and it does not function either.
[05:46] <john> I am trying to resolve this
[05:50] <bioterror> john, have you searched from launchpad at all?
[05:53] <john> No I have not
[05:55] <urlin2u> john, right click it then properties click on the icon in the gui and choose one you want from pixmaps
[08:07] <ashickur-noor> Any body here?
[08:09] <bioterror> maybe
[08:09] <lalatenduM> :)
[08:10] <ashickur-noor> hum
[08:10] <ashickur-noor> I think is channel is always empty
[08:10] <lalatenduM> ashickur-noor, untill you ask a question :P
[08:10] <bioterror> I think we have 24/7 around 50 users here
[08:11] <ashickur-noor> I have ask question several time
[08:11] <ashickur-noor> But no luck in most of the time
[08:12] <bioterror> my scrollback did not give any results of your questions
[08:12] <bioterror> but go ahead and shoot
[09:54] <ashickur-noor> Bye
[11:15] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:54] <LemonAid> Hi.
[15:52] <neb> hey
[15:52] <neb> im compleatly new to linux operating systems and i have some questions
[16:35] <LemonAid> Ask away.
[16:35] <LemonAid> neb: but first http://is.gd/nmyFqV
[16:58] <gigi87> hey guys
[18:20] <LemonAid> So the firefox crashing the kernel problem did not go away after the switch to 9.0
[19:08] <LemonAid> It seems to be the wireless driver causing the panics.


[14:09] <brainwash> bluesabre: this leftover is something which I notice every time when booting the live iso
[14:09] <brainwash> bluesabre: bug 1795216
[14:11] <brainwash> I don't know if I have pinged Unit193 about this (other than subscribing him to the report)
[14:21] <brainwash> ochosi: why this? https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc?id=7ef9ec768a3d4750c0d0b059ec116a39b790d7aa
[14:21] <brainwash> I am about to open a report to change it back to 10
[14:22] <brainwash> 9 makes the font look rather small, especially when you compare it to the overall desktop (apps, menus, etc.)
[14:23] <brainwash> this is another thing which I notice every single time, but did not bother to mention or report yet
[14:28] <brainwash> bug 1819466
[21:05] <Unit193> SwissBot: rss show xfce4-announce 3
[21:05] <SwissBot> lemme fetch it...
[21:05] <SwissBot> using old data
[21:05] <SwissBot> Channel : Nabble - Xfce - Announce
[21:05] <SwissBot> 2019/02/28 10:00 :: ANNOUNCE: gigolo 0.4.91 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-gigolo-0-4-91-released-tp52681.html (by Landry Breuil-2)
[21:05] <SwissBot> 2019/02/26 17:34 :: ANNOUNCE: xfmpc 0.2.90 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfmpc-0-2-90-released-tp52676.html (by Andre Miranda)
[21:05] <SwissBot> 2019/02/24 10:51 :: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-calculator-plugin 0.7.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-calculator-plugin-0-7-0-released-tp52658.html (by Andre Miranda)
[21:06] <Unit193> https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2019-March/036317.html - https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2019-March/036318.html
[21:13] <ochosi> brainwash: afaict the default font size is also 9
[21:14] <ochosi> oh, sry, it's 10 https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml?id=7ef9ec768a3d4750c0d0b059ec116a39b790d7aa#n19
[21:14] <Unit193> If it won't anger QA, I can push the new screenshooter.
[21:14] <ochosi> +1
[21:14] <ochosi> screenshooter ftw
[21:17] <brainwash> ochosi: that's a +1 for terminal font size increase too then?
[21:18] <ochosi> i personally have the system font at 9 too, so...
[21:18] <ochosi> let's say it's a +1 for consistenc
[21:18] <ochosi> y
[21:18] <ochosi> not necessarily a +1 for size 9 ;)
[21:18] <brainwash> ohh
[21:19] <ochosi> i personally feel this type of decision should be taken by a teamvote with a quorum, not a single person
[21:19] <ochosi> unfortunately we haven't had team meetings in a whil
[21:19] <ochosi> e
[21:19] <ochosi> (i hope i'm not the one to blame regarding the lack of scheduling one)
[21:19] <brainwash> the teamvote would be needed for a global change
[21:19] <brainwash> this is for consistency mainly
[21:20] <ochosi> yeah, but i would put up the size 9 for a vote too
[21:20] <ochosi> so three options
[21:20] <ochosi> 1) size 10 everywhere
[21:20] <ochosi> 2) size 9 everywhere
[21:20] <ochosi> 3) leave as is
[21:20] <brainwash> 3 is a strange one :D
[21:21] <brainwash> I haven't tested 2) yet
[21:23] <ochosi> well 3 is for the conservatives and for the "don't care" electorate ;)
[21:23] <Unit193> I mean, I'm  the torch holder for cranky and I'd say 1 or 2 as well.
[21:26] <brainwash> Unit193: any comment on the ubiquity panel bug?
[21:27] <brainwash> it's a change mainly for aesthetics
[21:28] <brainwash> unless an empty top panel adds extra beauty
[21:28] <Unit193> Not really, ochosi is the aesthetics guy.
[21:28] <ochosi> :>
[21:28] <ochosi> if we don't do anything with that panel i'd let it go i guess
[21:29] <ochosi> sucks a little that without indicator sound you cannot easily connect to wifi anymore in the ubiquity-only sessio
[21:29] <ochosi> n
[21:29] <ochosi> then again, i highly doubt the value of that session anyway...
[21:29] <Unit193> -application
[21:30] <brainwash> it allows the user to connect to wifi and install updates during the installation... or?
[21:30] <brainwash> maybe ubiquity window offers that too, dunno
[21:32] <brainwash> no one complained about it being gone though
[22:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: Right, so xfdesktop4, think we can slip it in?
[22:51] <Unit193> ochosi: [ubuntu/disco] xfce4-screenshooter 1.9.4-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[22:54] <ochosi> \o/
[22:54] <ochosi> xfdesktop would be nice too
[22:55] <brainwash> why is xfwm4 4.13 still missing?
[22:55] <Unit193> It's not missing?
[22:56] <brainwash> it's only in debian experimental
[22:56] <brainwash> but what is holding it back?
[23:01] <ochosi> there are some open issues in xfwm4 that are holding xfce 4.14. as a whole back
[23:02] <ochosi> so if it isn't alpha-ready according to the maintainer, i wouldn't wanna ship it