[08:53] <mgz> macgreagoir: this one is for you http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/4639/job/run-unit-tests-race/attempt/2124#highlight
[08:54] <macgreagoir> mgz: You're too kind!
[10:28] <mup> Bug #1510689 opened: juju upgrade --upload-tools tries to upload tools agents that are not permitted by the state server <bug-squad> <simplestreams> <upgrade-juju> <upload-tools> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510689>
[10:48] <macgreagoir> mgz: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6681
[10:48] <mgz> macgreagoir: thanks
[10:49] <macgreagoir> Thank you!
[11:10] <mup> Bug #1648600 changed: juju 1.x charm store channel support <uosci> <OpenStack Charm Test Infra:New> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1648600>
[11:19] <sinzui> voidspace: https://pastebin.canonical.com/173238/
[11:21] <sinzui> voidspace: I used https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/reference-hook-tools to learn about the commands I could run
[11:32] <babbageclunk> thumper: review? (or poke menn0 to do it :) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6678
[11:33] <babbageclunk> thumper: Should be pretty quick, hopefully
[11:33] <thumper> babbageclunk: ack, looking
[11:33] <babbageclunk> thumper: thanks!
[12:15] <macgreagoir> anastasiamac mgz: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6683
[13:00] <natefinch> mgz: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6684
[17:02] <hoenir_> can someone take a look at this PR? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6523
[17:25] <jam> frobware: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6690


[09:05] <kraut> moin
[07:40] <mr_pouit> @schedule Paris
[07:40] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 14 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 14 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 15 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 16 Aug 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Aug 00:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 17:00: Kernel Team
[08:48] <highvoltage> ouch!
[08:48] <tck> gobuntu
[09:08] <greg-g> @now
[09:08] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 13 2007, 19:08:35 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Server Team meeting in 19 hours 51 minutes


[10:13] <oerheks> RONI not in our repos anymore, too old. lowest is 304 IIRC
[10:13] <oerheks> why do you need such old driver, nouveau covers old cards good ( 2d )
[11:25] <thecrow> Hi I have a question, how do I keep Lubuntu from resetting my desktop configs (brightness and volume) every time I log-out/reboot/shutdown? I'm using Lubuntu 20.04
 @Michaël Van Bogaert [isn't this question rather for the lxqt developers?], assuming that there's no way to save the setting then yes
 Anyone knows how can I disable the update pop up?
 it's really annoying
 In the menu -> Preferences -> LXQt Settings -> Session Settings. then click on autostart and uncheck upgNotifier
[17:18] <oerheks> do a memtest86 run?
 @Michaël Van Bogaert [isn't this question rather for the lxqt developers?], hahaha, lubuntu devs are also lxqt devs:)
 they were also lxde devs but abandoned that
 yeah, i asked so much really and dont remember a turned down question:D
[18:34] <Jeni[m]> Are there any older docs available for 18.04? Looking for verification and installation instructions for the 32 bit images for an older machine. manual.lubuntu.me only sees to show latest info.
 the process for verification shouldn't be much more different, you just have to compare the hash sums against the known good 18.04 ISO hash sums
 You can find the hash sums for bionic here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/bionic/release/
 yep
[19:38] <Jeni[m]> Cool, yeah didn't know what the hashes were. Didn't think yo look there! Cheers.
[19:57] <Jeni[m]> Just needed to know the values to compare, thanks.
[20:04] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello all
[20:04] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, for a pretty old mac (2008), should I test 16.04, or go with 20.04?
[21:51] <guiverc> SpeakerToMeat, Lubuntu 16.04 is EOL, being a flavor it had only 3 years of supported life.  Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Unity 7), Server (no desktop) or Kylin only have full support having 5 years from 2016-April (16.04)
[21:52] <SpeakerToMeat> Yeah but being an old machine, I think I might get better support from 16.04 than 20.04
[21:52] <SpeakerToMeat> Maybe
[21:52] <guiverc> The only supported Lubuntu's are 18.04 supported until 2021-April (3 years from release) & 20.04 (supported) until 2023-April)
[21:53] <SpeakerToMeat> Btw a Mac64 is mentioned but don't see anywhere, if I get the text right, any 2006 or newer mac shoudl just use adm64?
[21:53] <guiverc> I tested Lubuntu 18.04, 18.10 & 19.04 on 2004-2005 thinkpads
[21:53] <SpeakerToMeat> Hmm ok, so, get 18.04 or 20.04 then
[21:53] <guiverc> but I have little-no experience on old macs (intel ones particularly)
[22:02] <guiverc> SpeakerToMeat, FYI:  this is my primary box, and it's a 2009 dell running groovy (what will be 20.10 on release)
 @SpeakerToMeat [<SpeakerToMeat> Btw a Mac64 is mentioned but don't see anywhere, if I get the te …], Yes … All intel powered 64bit macs should be supported by amd64 version
[23:17] <SpeakerToMeat> Thanks


[08:13] <YoBoY> good morning
[15:29] <G__81> i am new to Ubuntu and let me introduce my self I am from chennai. I ve been contributing to fedora so would like to extend my contributions to Ubuntu. I am interested in bug fixing
[15:29] <G__81> it would be great if someone can take me on board :)
[15:52] <bcurtiswx> G__81: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Developer%20Process%20Bugs check that out to start with
[15:53] <bcurtiswx> G__81: if you have any questions about any bugs and what to do with them, don't hesitate to ask in here, everyone here is extremely helpful
[15:53] <G__81> Oh thanks a lot bcurtiswx
[15:53] <G__81> i ll for sure :)
[15:55] <bcurtiswx> G__81: i would suggest joining https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad and checking out the links there too
[15:55] <G__81> sure
[15:58] <G__81> bcurtiswx, i am not able to become an Ubuntero can you help me with it i dont want to talk about it in this channel so can i PM you if you dont mind ?
[16:00] <bcurtiswx> you may PM me
[16:02] <bcurtiswx> anyone know if the ubuntu keyserver is not working properly
[16:12] <charlie-tca> You could try #launchpad and see if they are having issues
[16:29] <fargiolas> hi, is there any known issue with launchpad bug watchers? I've change a bugzilla.gnome.org bug status first to NEW and after a couple of days to RESOLVED FIXED and launchpad still shows it as Incomplete (bugzilla's NEEDINFO)
[16:30] <fargiolas> bug 297890 fwiw
[16:33] <charlie-tca> Yes, fargiolas. It is a bug that the watches are not updating when they should.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> Launchpad is trying to fix it
[16:33] <charlie-tca> same problem with xfce.bugzilla
[16:35] <fargiolas> charlie-tca: ok, hope it will be fixed soon.. it's useful tool for upstream-downstream collaboration
[16:35] <fargiolas> but if it doesn't updates is pretty useful :P
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I agree. I don't know how quickly they can fix it, but I too am hoping
[16:35] <fargiolas> s/useful/useless/
[16:53] <napple> I don't know if this is a bug, or expected behavior, but if it is the latter, it is very annoying. When recv() is called with the len argument smaller than the number of bytes waiting in the receive queue, it returns nothing instead of just whatever fits into the buffer. is this some kind of bug?
[16:59] <YoBoY> hi
[17:01] <napple> uh, nevermind. isn't a bug
[17:19] <greg-g> napple: that question would most likely have been better answered by people in a channel devoted to the language you are using.
[17:20] <napple> greg-g, since recv is a system call on top of the Linux/Ubuntu network stack I disagree. but never mind, it was a premature statement I made and it is not a bug.
[17:53] <G__81> is there some mentoring available for bug fixing
[17:53] <G__81> so that i get used to the process for the first bug
[17:53] <G__81> it could be a very trivial bug to fix
[18:54] <zyga> (cross-post from #ubuntu-dev) hello, I'd like to ask if pydoc3 is broken by design or is something invalid with py3 in jaunty? compare: 'pydoc os' vs 'pydoc3 os'?
[19:47] <YoBoY> bug 339569 -> Importance "High" i think
[19:50] <YoBoY> do you think bug 316973 is a duplicate of bug 339569 ?
[22:31] <bcurtiswx> bug #269660, im not sure which qt package to use. is there anything else i can do to better this bug report for qt?


[08:12] <lesamourai> can an app be made to run as a background process or a daemon , ubuntu touch?
[13:59] <lesamourai> any idea about running ubuntu touch click app without UI or as a daemon?


[05:45] <SeveredCross> Hey folks, is there a way I can diagnose why pre-start isn't being executed?
[05:45] <SeveredCross> I'm trying to execute an avahi-publish-service command, but I never see it run
[05:46] <SeveredCross> Also, is there a way to pull in environment variables from an external source?
[05:46] <SeveredCross> With an old-style init script, I'd just source some file from /etc/defaults or something
[16:35] <SpamapS> SeveredCross: one trick I've used is to set 'console output' and then in the pre-start do 'set -x' as the first line.. that will show you everything the pre-start is doing.
[16:36] <SeveredCross> I already figured it out, but thanks, I'll remember that next time
[16:36] <SeveredCross> I was just being terminally stupid and forgot to quote a variable.
[16:37] <SpamapS> :)
[16:39] <SeveredCross> That's what I get for trying to write a job for an init daemon that I've never even looked at at near midnight.
[16:40] <SeveredCross> Bloody last-minute ideas will be the death of me.
[16:42] <SpamapS> I call that a "learning opportunity"


[04:37] <Unit193> I'm also much more aware of calamares than flutter, though it's certainly not without downsides.  The partitioner is a little basic for one.
[05:45] <Unit193> ...Since my xfdesktop4 patch is so small, it's tempting to upload it. >_>
[05:47] <Unit193> https://paste.opendev.org/show/bjGhDOHAF8jB9cqWlWsp/


[13:47] <qense> Is it true that only ASCII signs can be used in (FAT32) disk labels? I got a bug report from someone complaining that he can't set a Chinese disk label, but I suspect that's because of the spec of the file system.
[14:00] <qense> bug 515122
[14:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515122 in nautilus "Nautilus can't display Chinese volume label correctly." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515122
[14:23] <LimCore> GNOME panels are all missing at random. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/515139
[14:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515139 in gnome-panel "Icons from gnome panel are missing at random on startup" [Undecided,New]
[14:26] <vish> qense: hi.. did you check the nautilus bug i marked incomplete?
[14:26] <qense> vish: Ah, that. It's on my ToDo list, actually.
[14:26] <vish> ah , ok ;)
[14:26] <qense> I'll check it right now
[14:26] <vish> just wanted to make sure :)
[14:27] <qense> ok, that's good
[14:28] <qense> vish: yep, you're right. I do have two different emblems here.
[14:28] <om26er> LimCore, I think its a dup.
[14:28] <vish> qense: yeah , it might just be a problem in the theme the user is using
[14:28] <qense> yes, that must be it
[14:29] <LimCore> om26er: where is the other bug?
[14:32] <vish> cjohnston: yeah , jono in the icon would be kinda nice.. we could grab his hackergotchi :)
[14:33] <cjohnston> vish: I was kinda joking.. but it would be funny.. are you able to make it? I'm not a graphics person, otherwise I would have..
[14:33] <LimCore> om26er: please mark it as a dup if you can find the duplicated (I googled for a short moment but I do not see it)
[14:34] <vish> cjohnston: yeah  ,we have added have his name in the latest mediaplayer icon in gnome icon theme ..
[14:37] <vish> cjohnston: inside joke for banshee banning his song ;) > http://imagebin.ca/view/gynCQJ.html
[14:37] <cjohnston> lol
[14:37] <cjohnston> thats awesome
[14:38] <vish> we might remove it in the final version though :)
[14:38] <cjohnston> no!
[15:51] <BUGabundo> I'm trolling.... sorry... feld pissed https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/509079/comments/7
[15:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509079 in nautilus "nautilus has tabs on bottom" [Low,Triaged]
[15:55] <kklimonda> nautilus has tabs? ;)
[15:55] <ari-tczew> kklimonda, since jaunty IIRC
[16:17]  * vish wonders how useful tabs in nautilus really are ... [rarely uses them]
[22:19] <bullgard4> I am going to file a bug report to Launchpad using '~$ ubuntu-bug seahorse'. I believe that this will generate a public bug report. I am concerned that it may contain secret keys of mine. Can you quiet me on that?
[22:28] <greg-g> bullgard4: before it submits any data, it gives you the option to review what it is sending. So, try it and see what it will send.
[22:28] <greg-g> bullgard4: I'm guessing that the developers are smart enough not to send your passwords :)
[22:29] <bullgard4> greg-g: Yes, I will scrutinize them. --  Thank you.
[22:34] <greg-g> bullgard4: you are welcome, thanks for taking the time to submit a good bug report!
[22:35] <bullgard4> :-)


[16:33] <ScorpKing> hi everyone
[16:35] <ScorpKing> i need a custom picture for a usplash theme. can someone here help or maybe know where i can get help?
[16:37] <_MMA_> ScorpKing: A static pic or someone to implement a Usplash theme?
[16:37] <ScorpKing> i'll make the theme. just need the jpg
[16:38] <_MMA_> ScorpKing: Emailing the ML would be best as more people follow there.
[16:39] <ScorpKing> _MMA_: thanks
[19:34] <swalko> thorwil: hi
[19:34] <thorwil> hi swalko
[19:35] <swalko> thorwil: what are you saying about updated calc?
[19:38] <thorwil> swalko: i still think it would benefit from rounding the edges
[19:39] <swalko> thorwil: there are rounded edges
[19:39] <thorwil> swalko: on the large size, if you make the buttons a tad bigger, you might be able to get the numbers to be sharper
[19:40] <swalko> thorwil: i tried export in 1:1 size an resize with gimp
[19:40] <swalko> thorwil: there is big difference in sharpness
[19:40] <swalko> thorwil: export from inkscape is looking blurry
[19:41] <swalko> thorwil: export on 8x size and resize in gim is much sharper
[19:41] <thorwil> swalko: show me
[19:41] <swalko> thorwil: minute a do
[19:42] <thorwil> swalko: the frame around the LCD is a bit odd. is it meant to bulge outward?
[19:42] <_MMA_> swalko: In the end, we have to worry about what the Inkscape export looks like since that's how the set is generated.
[19:43] <thorwil> swalko: i would expect an opening in the case and a glass sitting below it, with a black frame printed on the glass. the lcd panel being the last layer
[19:46] <thorwil> _MMA_: i wouldn't rule out the ubuntu titling font, yet
[19:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: I'm not.
[19:50] <swalko> thorwil: http://picasaweb.google.com/milan.krivda/Breathe#5309051192187503122
[19:52] <thorwil> swalko: the differences are almost entirely on the numbers
[19:52] <swalko> thorwil: for me that numbers look completely different
[19:53] <swalko> thorwil: diferences with diference mask are clearly visible
[19:53] <_MMA_> swalko: Are the numbers fonts or paths?
[19:54] <swalko> thorwil: fonts
[19:54] <thorwil> do we have to file a feature request for oversampling on export now? :/
[19:54] <swalko> thorwil: but
[19:54] <swalko> thorwil: it is still one same export form inkscape
[19:54] <swalko> thorwil: first 1:1 second 8:8 resized in gimp
[19:54] <swalko> 8:1
[19:55] <swalko> thorwil: not opened svg in gimp
[19:55] <thorwil> too bad there's no way i can do x8 with my backgrounds :)
[19:55] <_MMA_> swalko: You got an answer for me?
[19:56] <swalko> thorwil: sry i answered your answer to thorwil
[19:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: fonts
[19:56] <swalko> _MMA_: sry i answered your answer to thorwil
[19:56] <_MMA_> swalko: I would try to fonts->paths then export to bitmap.
[19:56] <_MMA_> (from inkscape)
[19:59] <swalko> _MMA_: diferences are not only on fonts
[20:00] <swalko> _MMA_: at example border around lcd is diferenced too
[20:00] <thorwil> true. but only the differences on the numbers are really obvious
[20:00] <_MMA_> swalko: I understand. You gotta make it all work through Inkscape.
[20:01] <thorwil> swalko: anyway, _MMA_ is not going to write a script that does x8 and resize ...
[20:01] <swalko> _MMA_: yes yes , all exported in inkscape
[20:01] <_MMA_> thorwil: "resize"?
[20:02] <thorwil> _MMA_: scale down
[20:02] <swalko> thorwil: i dont understand
[20:02] <_MMA_> thorwil: What would need to be scaled down if all the SVGs should be drawn to size?
[20:03] <thorwil> swalko: i mean that i highly doubt _MMA_ will extend the script to export in x8 size to then scale down using whatever
[20:03] <_MMA_> Ahh... :P No. Things should be drawn at the intended use size.
[20:03] <thorwil> _MMA_: sheesh, pay attention ;p
[20:04] <_MMA_> thorwil: I'm slow today man. Got alot going on here.
[20:13] <swalko> thorwil: i must used translator, because english isnt my native language. Yes frame around is bulged outward
[20:15] <thorwil> swalko: i think that's a rather unusual detail and against what one expects to see there
[20:18] <swalko> thorwil: i am not so brave to say what is one expects to see there
[20:19] <swalko> thorwil: in the world exist thousands of different calculator
[20:19] <swalko> calculators
[20:19] <_MMA_> swalko: *You* are in control of that. If *you* like what you see that polish it up and call it done. :)
[20:19] <_MMA_> s/that/then
[20:20] <knome> which calc are we talking about?
[20:21] <_MMA_> knome: A calculator for the Breathe icon set.
[20:21] <swalko> thorwil: i wanted to know one thing, but you wasnt here yesterday
[20:21] <swalko> thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Discussion where may i find svg for generic/empty concepts ?
[20:22] <_MMA_> swalko: On the 1st page.
[20:22] <thorwil> swalko: i don't think there is one
[20:22] <knome> _MMA_, calculator *icon* ?:)
[20:22] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet
[20:22] <_MMA_> knome: yeah
[20:23] <knome> ok. where can i see curent progress? :)
[20:24] <_MMA_> swalko: And not that I mind thorwil answering questions, but since I'm the lead on Breathe you might wanna direct more questions to me. :)
[20:24] <thorwil> oh yeah
[20:24] <_MMA_> knome: The above link will lead you to all the info one would normally seek.
[20:25] <thorwil> brb
[20:25] <swalko> thorwil: ok :) you wasnt here over weekend. and i talked with thorwil about more things
[20:25] <knome> normally? ;)
[20:25] <swalko> _MMA_: ok :) you wasnt here over weekend. and i talked with thorwil about more things
[20:26] <swalko> _MMA_: we may talk now?
[20:26] <knome> _MMA_, can you say i'm normal? :P
[20:26] <_MMA_> knome: I don't know yet.
[20:26]  * _MMA_ reserves judgment.
[20:26] <_MMA_> swalko: Sure.
[20:26] <knome> :]
[20:27] <swalko> _MMA_: is needed to set standard fonts that may be used in breathe set
[20:28] <_MMA_> swalko: I'm sorry. Can you try to re-word that question? I don't quite understand.
[20:29] <_MMA_> swalko: Note that the template is also linked at the top of the "Submissions" page.
[20:30] <swalko> _MMA_: is needed to choose right fonts and publish list with these font that may be used in icons for breathe icon set
[20:31] <_MMA_> swalko: I can only guess your question. Are you asking if we need a standard font to use on all Breathe Icons?
[20:32] <swalko> _MMA_: you mean it isnt needed?
[20:33] <_MMA_> Gotta love language barriers. :)
[20:33] <_MMA_> swalko: If you follow the mailing list, yo'll see we are trying to settle on a standard font. Yes. It's needed.
[20:35] <swalko> _MMA_: i subscribed only this weekend and not followed older mails, because in mailing list are a lot of new mails
[20:36] <swalko> daily
[20:36] <_MMA_> This is a new topic started today.
[20:36] <knome> _MMA_, comic sans!
[20:36] <_MMA_> knome: And it's license is?
[20:36] <swalko> _MMA_: currently i am reading between work in inkscape, inkscape and xchat
[20:36] <swalko> L)
[20:37] <swalko> pidgin
[20:37] <knome> _MMA_, who cares, let's rip it off and use it anyway ;)
[20:37] <_MMA_> swalko: I understand. Just know that if you're going to be involved with Breathe that's where most of the daily info will be.
[20:38] <_MMA_> knome: As I don't quite know you yet, and I take this pretty seriously, I'd like us to keep it that way on this subject.
[20:39] <knome> ok. sorry. :)
[20:39] <swalko> _MMA_: how is process for adopting icons int breathe set?
[20:39] <_MMA_> knome: np ;)
[20:39] <swalko> _MMA_: artists upload icons on wiki, what will be next?
[20:39] <_MMA_> swalko: I really don't understand the question.
[20:39] <_MMA_> Oh oh.
[20:39] <swalko> :-D
[20:40] <_MMA_> I got you. Yes. Uploading to the wiki or discussing ideas on the mailing list.
[20:41] <_MMA_> After Sebastien and I are happy (and there's no major outcry from the community) it goes in BZR. (our version control system)
[20:42] <_MMA_> swalko: The images on the wiki are linked to BZR. SO as new icons are added/updated so is the wiki.
[20:42] <_MMA_> There is also a PPA that currently has 1 release in it.
[20:44] <swalko> _MMA_: you are picking/choosing icons into bzr?
[20:45] <_MMA_> Yes. I am the one handling the technical side of things in hopes it frees others up to just create. I put together icons here and there when I can.
[20:48] <swalko> _MMA_: are you using jimmacs scripts for exporting icons from svg?
[20:49] <_MMA_> Not the same ones but they are based on the same idea.
[20:51] <swalko> _MMA_: use your scripts this idea? ... use text object named context/icon-name in plate layer for icon name identification?
[20:52] <_MMA_> Yes
[20:52] <swalko> _MMA_: i am trying now to write simple step by step guide for newbies how to use one canvas workflow
[20:53] <_MMA_> swalko: Just open the template and look at the object metadata.
[20:53] <_MMA_> swalko: All of my work including the build script is on Launchpad.
[20:54] <swalko> _MMA_: now i havent much time to study how scripts work i just use that now
[20:55] <swalko> _MMA_: content in my guide depend on that fact
[20:55] <swalko> _MMA_: i may try to finish the guide now and send you over mail to review
[20:57] <_MMA_> Like you, I don't have much time to review it. All an artist/n00b mush understand is how to run the script and where to place images so Inkscape properly exports them.
[20:57] <_MMA_> s/mush/must
[20:59] <swalko> _MMA_: i fully understand, but it taked little time
[20:59] <swalko> _MMA_: thats the reason why i am writing guide
[21:07] <swalko> thorwil: ping
[21:08] <thorwil> good night!
[21:08] <knome> night


[01:23] <stlsaint> nhandler: ping
[02:01] <newboon2age_> kermiac: ping
[02:32] <kermiac> newboon2age_: !pong
[02:32] <nhandler> stlsaint: pong
[02:33] <duanedesign> duanedesign: pong
[02:34] <kermiac> haha...
[02:34] <kermiac> howdy everyone :)
[02:40] <duanedesign> helllooo kermiac
[02:40] <kermiac> hey duanedesign, how are you going today?
[02:41] <duanedesign> been slow in #ubuntuone lately. Everyone busy doing something?
[02:43] <kermiac> duanedesign: yeah, beuno said something about them sprinting for the next couple of weeks... I don't know any more than that though
[02:43] <duanedesign> kermiac: that makes sense
[02:48] <stlsaint> duanedesign: what do you use to record/sound record
[02:59] <Buuntu> can someone help me setup a static ip?
[02:59] <Buuntu> every time I try the internet stops working...
[03:00] <Buuntu> only dhcp works
[03:34]  * stlsaint is heading back to the wave! :D
[04:42] <packrat> so, i tried asking for help several times on #ubuntu, but apparently my problem is not interesting enough to warrant much of a response
[04:43] <packrat> got an acer aspire one, trying to install ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 on it.  i made a bootable USB, but it pretty much does nothing when i try to either boot it live, or just install straight up
[04:46] <geirha> Could you elaborate on «does nothing» ?
[04:47] <ddecator> packrat: did you run an md5sum on the iso to make sure it's not corrupt?
[04:47] <packrat> yup
[04:47] <packrat> as for "does nothing" it will boot to the first menu in the live cd image
[04:48] <packrat> where you select boot live, install straight up, or check for image corruption
[04:48] <ddecator> it doesn't respond at that menu?
[04:48] <packrat> it does
[04:48] <packrat> but when i select either live boot or install, a few seconds later a whitish ubuntu logo will appear, and then it disappears, and nothing happens
[04:49] <packrat> usb and SSD drive both do not show any activity
[04:49] <packrat> even had it sit overnight after i selected install
[04:49] <ddecator> strange...have you tried re-creating the bootable USB?
[04:49] <packrat> several times
[04:50] <ddecator> hm..you might have more luck with 10.04. is there a reason you want to use 9.10?
[04:51] <packrat> though unfortunately i dont have much variability in usb drives, since i pretty much just tote around a couple USB micro vault tinys and thats it
[04:51] <packrat> i chopse 9.10 mostly because https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne/Ubuntu9.10#ZG5%20%288+8/SSD%29
[04:51] <packrat> seems to indicate really minimal problems
[04:52] <packrat> chose*
[04:53] <stlsaint> packrat: i beg to differ! 10.04 is great plus its a LTS!
[04:53] <packrat> lts?
[04:53] <ddecator> ah, ok. well it could possibly by the usb drive, i know i have one that doesn't work for booting ubuntu and one that does. but yah, 10.04 should work just as well as 9.10 at this point, hopefully even better
[04:53] <packrat> cool beans
[04:53] <ddecator> LTS = Long Term Support
[04:54] <ddecator> it gets updates longer than a standard release
[04:54] <ddecator> so trying 10.04 is a place to start :)
[04:54] <geirha> What program did you use to make the usb?
[04:54] <packrat> the one that comes with the disk
[04:55] <packrat> i wonder, though, whether it might be related to the fact that i ran it off of win7 x64
[04:56] <packrat> anyways, dl-ing 10.04 now.  will give it a try
[04:57] <ddecator> a lot of people use unetbootin as well. i haven't tried it, but that's another possible solution
[04:59] <geirha> I can't think of any obvious reasons why it won't work. It booted one the first try for me on my AAO
[05:00] <packrat> alternatively, i did manage to find the aao recover disc image, but it comes in a .gz format and im not sure how i could make a usb drive out of that
[05:00] <packrat> in windoes
[05:10] <duanedesign> packrat:  there are some known issues listed on the wiki.
[05:10] <duanedesign> packrat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[05:12] <packrat> "The 9.10 CDs and DVDs are missing the usb-creator.exe program used by the Windows installation processes discussed below. "
[05:12] <packrat> thats interesting, considering there is a program in the disc image called "usb-creator.exe"
[05:12] <geirha> «If you just get a black screen when running from USB, using the setting "Discarded on shutdown, unless you save them elsewhere" in usb-creator might help. Forum: 9.10 NBR issues»
[05:13] <geirha> That sounds like your issue.
[05:13] <packrat> derp
[05:13] <duanedesign> packrat: they must have fixed the missing usb-creator.exe
[05:13] <packrat> :D
[05:14] <packrat> well, im playing with DSL while im waiting for the dl.  thanks.  my google-fu is weak
[05:14] <duanedesign> packrat: i wonder if that should be updated , or left for people that might have an old verison
[05:15] <packrat> incidentally, is WPA2 supported on 10.04
[05:15] <packrat> ?
[05:15] <ddecator> yes
[05:15] <packrat> woot
[05:16] <ddecator> assuming that's what the wireless i'm using right now is encoded with (and i'm 95% sure it is)
[05:26] <duanedesign> Guest54712: trouble with your connection ?
[05:27] <needpieceofmind> 1 sec then ill ask my question
[05:27] <packrat> not enough time
[05:27] <packrat> HURRY!
[05:27] <packrat> (i jest)
[05:28] <duanedesign> :)
[05:31] <packrat> well, thats dandy.  start installing ubuntu netbook, and it says "can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow
[05:31] <packrat> "
[05:32] <packrat> looks like its asking me to mount a filesystem
[05:32] <ddecator> uh oh, the apt cow can't be mounted :(
[05:32] <packrat> but what does that mean
[05:32]  * packrat avalanches
[05:33] <ddecator> i'd say to run 'apt-get moo' but you can't yet...darn
[05:33] <packrat> :I
[05:34] <ddecator> ha, that's a new emoticon :D
[05:34] <packrat> then youll love this one
[05:34] <packrat> >:I
[05:35] <ddecator> alright, but in all seriousness, i'm not sure what /dev/loop1 and /cow are :/
[05:35] <packrat> damn
[05:37] <packrat> if i click enter, the input prompt reads: (initramfs)
[05:38] <ddecator> i'm guessing you ran an md5sum again?
[05:38] <pleia2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1306277 seems to have some folks having a similar problem
[05:38] <duanedesign> packrat:  choose "discarded on shutdown, unless you save them elsewhwere"
[05:38] <pleia2> yeah, that :)
[05:38] <packrat> hrm
[05:39] <duanedesign> :)
[05:39] <packrat> ok, ill give it a shot in a bit
[05:41] <ddecator> yah, this says the same thing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1334949
[05:52] <needpieceofmind> ok sorry but a new baby in the house takes presadence over all other
[05:53] <needpieceofmind> so i have a few question and hopefully you guys can help
[05:54] <needpieceofmind> first question is why will my ubuntu 10.4 lucid
[05:54] <packrat> needs a verb there
[05:54] <needpieceofmind> see my cd rom at times and other i cant mount it it dont even show up in file manager
[05:54] <needpieceofmind> i mean disk utilities
[05:55] <packrat> also, anyone have thoughts on how best to partition a 16gb ssd for UNR?
[05:58] <needpieceofmind> can anyone help me with this as im sure this is a beginners problem
[06:00] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: that is odd. Are these different CD's?
[06:01] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: oh i see. The device is not showing up under disk utilities
[06:02] <geirha> packrat: For such a small drive, I'd just put / on the whole drive, plus a little swap partition.
[06:02] <packrat> yeah, thats what i ended up doing
[06:03] <geirha> And then /home on an expansion card, if you have one, but ...
[06:03] <packrat> hopefully ext4 isnt buggy
[06:03] <packrat> ive... heard things... you know
[06:03] <packrat> also i love how they give the reiser fs as an option
[06:03] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: i wonder if it shows up if you run this command in the Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal)  sudo lshw -C disk
[06:03] <packrat> which i too have... heard things... about
[06:04] <geirha> On my AAO, with 9.10, suspend and hibernation fails if the card in the expansion slot is mounted. Don't know if that has been fixed yet though.
[06:04] <duanedesign> packrat: ext4 is fine
[06:04] <packrat> yeah, i read about that.  i think ill be fine with the 16gb ive got on this thing
[06:04] <packrat> its not really going to do any heavty lifting anyways
[06:04] <packrat> no matlab :P
[06:05] <geirha> It's great for playing nethack ;)
[06:05] <packrat> haha
[06:18] <packrat> how do i scan for available wireless networks in UNR 10.04?
[06:23] <duanedesign> is there not a network manager applet
[06:23] <duanedesign> packrat:  you can use the following command in a Terminal:  sudo iwlist scan
[06:24] <needpieceofmind> duanedesign  no it doesnt but when i ran that in term it popped the drives up in disk util
[06:25] <packrat> apparently xterm doesnt allow me to scroll up
[06:25] <packrat> laaame
[06:25] <needpieceofmind> ok now i ran the command again and it shows up in the list
[06:29] <needpieceofmind> @duanedesign once u run the sudo iwlist scan how do u connect to them
[06:34] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: you can click on the network manager applet and select a network there. If it is not listed, use the connect to hidden network
[06:36] <needpieceofmind> ok 1 sec trying now
[06:36] <duanedesign> also System > Preferences > Network Connections
[06:39] <needpieceofmind> do i put anything in the bssid box and how do u use connect to hidden network
[06:43] <needpieceofmind> thank you so much for your help as i am finally connected
[06:43] <ddecator> woot!
[06:43] <needpieceofmind> and now my cdrom and flash drive are both there and in disk util to so thank you everyone but time to shut this ol p.o.s down and start playin with ubuntu and learning
[06:44] <ddecator> needpieceofmind: good luck :)
[06:48] <packrat> oh yeah, UNR is running smoothly now on my AAO, many thanks
[06:50] <ddecator> packrat: good to hear :)
[06:51] <packrat> got a shitload of updates though. :\
[06:51] <packrat> i would have hoped they'd keep the images a bit up to date on this stuff
[06:52] <geirha> There'll probably be a 10.04.1 release soon, in which case the UNR image should be updated too.
[06:53] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: glad you got it
[06:53] <duanedesign> packrat: yeah the updates after installation can be big
[06:53] <needpieceofmind> downloading all 285 megs of updates so atm im still on this till that upto par 'but thank you
[06:54] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: heh, you too
[06:54] <needpieceofmind> is there a way to tell at what speed ur connected
[06:55] <ddecator> you can test in a browser, or if you're downloading updates in a terminal it'll tell you have fast the connection is
[06:55] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: might look at iftop
[06:56] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get install iftop      then  sudo iftop  to run
[06:56] <needpieceofmind> it showed up just a lil usto xp still wouldnt convert to vista so its all new learning
[06:57] <needpieceofmind> where might be a good place to start learning terminal commands
[06:57] <ddecator> the beginners manual goes over some basic ones i think :)
[06:58] <ddecator> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[06:58] <needpieceofmind> ty ddecator
[06:59] <duanedesign> some linux command cheatsheets http://www.nixtutor.com/linux/all-the-best-linux-cheat-sheets/
[06:59] <ddecator> oh that's a good one..
[07:00] <duanedesign> needpieceofmind: an a-z index of BASH commands http://ss64.com/bash/
[07:00] <hobgoblin> so is that one
[07:00] <duanedesign> morning hobgoblin
[07:00] <needpieceofmind> im at nixtutor now but is security still a major issue for ubuntu like it is all ms products
[07:00] <ddecator> heya hobgoblin :)
[07:01] <hobgoblin> needpieceofmind: I found the best way to learn commands was use them as I needed them - you tend to remember if you actually need things to be fixed
[07:01] <hobgoblin> morning duanedesign ddecator
[07:01] <hobgoblin> iceflatline: if you are there - nvidia did not fail badly with the new kernel :)
[07:01] <ddecator> needpieceofmind: there are always some security issues in software, but linux is affected by a LOT less viruses, malware, etc.
[07:02] <needpieceofmind> hob i just need sumwhere to start and as i am i will play around with it and learn them as i go but with per say a kick in the but
[07:02] <packrat> ubuntu probably the most vulnerable of the linux flavors though
[07:02] <packrat> due to popularity
[07:02] <needpieceofmind> that figures
[07:03] <packrat> still probably safer than windows or mac
[07:03] <ddecator> it definitely is
[07:03] <needpieceofmind> hope doing movies is as easy and fast
[07:03] <ddecator> still a good idea to use a firewall though :)
[07:03] <hobgoblin> needpieceofmind: if you have the resources - disk space and ram - I would install ubuntu to a virtual machine - then you can set snapshots, play away as much as you like and not need to reinstall the 'real' install  if you completely break it
[07:04] <tenach> hobgoblin, your nvidia works good now?
[07:04] <hobgoblin> tenach: it always did - I just read and heard some failures with the new kernel
[07:04] <needpieceofmind> well im wireless and behind 2 routers so i think i safer for firewall aspect
[07:04] <tenach> Ah.
[07:04] <ddecator> i haven't had issues with -23..
[07:04] <tenach> Before the newest kernel update, I could not use my 6800 :S
[07:05] <hobgoblin> ddecator: some have - and some still are
[07:05] <hobgoblin> tenach: really - I have a 6* something on the media server - works fine
[07:05] <ddecator> hobgoblin: glad i'm not one of them, i was hesitant to update already
[07:05] <needpieceofmind> whats better gnome or kde or is that just a preference thing
[07:05] <tenach> hobgoblin, yeah, I couldn't get it to work so I am using my wife's ati :(
[07:05] <newboon2age_> packrat: vulnerable? in what way?
[07:06] <tenach> needpieceofmind, I would say preference in that.  Give both a look at :)  I am still going to give KDE a look at again, since I haven't really ever kept it around very long.
[07:06] <newboon2age_> packrat: not at all to speak of that i can see.
[07:06] <packrat> vulnerable in the sense that virus writers will give ubuntu more attention than most other distros
[07:07] <needpieceofmind> poor poor tenach and having to use a ATi  card :(
[07:07] <packrat> all theoretical, i guess
[07:07] <newboon2age_> packrat: don't see any of that so far
[07:07] <ddecator> still very few in numbers overall. security issues in browsers and in flash are more of a problem than viruses
[07:07] <needpieceofmind> whats a good browser instead of ff  as i dont much care for it
[07:08] <packrat> speaking of... looks like the youtubs are supported oob
[07:08] <packrat> arent*
[07:08] <ddecator> wait for FF 4 :)
[07:08] <needpieceofmind> and it and adobe have alot of issues
[07:09] <packrat> sadly, it really doesnt seem like html5 and apple are going to win this battle
[07:09] <needpieceofmind> html5???
[07:10] <ddecator> webm is doing good on youtube
[07:10] <packrat> uh, yeah, its up to html5, right?
[07:10] <needpieceofmind> and i apologize if i seem like a pain in da butt with all my question but i am a complete n00b as this was all a spurt of the moment switch
[07:10] <newboon2age_> packrat: i wouldn't count out html5 or apple.  not yet.
[07:11] <ddecator> needpieceofmind: we're here to answer questions :)
[07:11] <packrat> well, yeah, that was my point
[07:11] <packrat> flash is just way too undeservedly popular
[07:11] <needpieceofmind> its cause its compact and simple
[07:12] <needpieceofmind> like php
[07:12] <needpieceofmind> well thats no so much on the simple side
[07:12] <newboon2age_> packrat: well other technologies have been wildly popular but it doesn't stop there being viable competitors.
[07:12] <packrat> haha
[07:12] <packrat> not sure how compact php is, either
[07:13] <needpieceofmind> who/what has gave flash a run for its money
[07:13] <newboon2age_> packrat: flash for one took a very long time to take off.  It would only take google (who owns youtube) to decide to support something else and all of a sudden the whole picture would change.
[07:14] <needpieceofmind> oh its compact if you look at the amount of coding you have to do in it compared to java or even html cause it can handle crons and so much more
[07:14] <tenach> I loves me php
[07:14] <needpieceofmind> thats very true newboon
[07:15] <needpieceofmind> tenach u a php junkie with sum coding experience in mmorpgs
[07:15] <UNRrat> and now i can get my irc fix on the run
[07:15] <needpieceofmind> text based
[07:16] <tenach> In coding php-based mmorpgs?
[07:16] <needpieceofmind> stuff like the common mafia browser games
[07:16] <needpieceofmind> point and click and time limits
[07:16] <needpieceofmind> alot of cron jobs
[07:17] <needpieceofmind> games for example are o-game,omerta,mafia wars
[07:17] <tenach> Ah.  I worked briefly on one, but they're really not my cuppa.
[07:18] <packrat> farmville?
[07:18] <packrat> lulz
[07:18] <needpieceofmind> might i ask what it is as i loves me php to and have just gotten into making a game to kill time
[07:18] <needpieceofmind> farmville is satan in digital format
[07:18] <needpieceofmind> believe u me it had me hooked for a long time
[07:18] <packrat> farmville is just Lawnmowing 2.0
[07:19] <needpieceofmind> lol so whats frontierville then
[07:19] <packrat> those were the days though.  f yeah clouds of xeen
[07:19] <tenach> needpieceofmind, I am not fond of the click and wait games like pretty much any/all games that have touched facebook/made by zynga.
[07:19] <needpieceofmind> lmao
[07:19] <needpieceofmind> aqh ok
[07:20] <tenach> I've been working on a browser-based client for a MUD style rpg though.
[07:20] <needpieceofmind> ooooooooooh
[07:20] <tenach> html/javascript for the front end with php being called via the js, server running in python.
[07:20] <needpieceofmind> very nice
[07:21] <needpieceofmind> thinking ur a LOT MORE ADVANCED then myself
[07:22] <drew212> anyone have any ideas how to recover some pictures i lost due to doing a fresh install of ubuntu?
[07:23] <tenach> needpieceofmind, I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm more advanced.  Perhaps I have just spent a long time on this hobby/project off and on.
[07:26] <needpieceofmind> lol ok i can accept that
[07:27] <packrat> so which swf player should i install?
[07:27] <tenach> So, I gather that you are looking to make a browser game?
[07:27] <packrat> got adobe, swfdec, and gnash
[07:27] <ddecator> adobe
[07:27] <tenach> I just go with adobe
[07:27] <ddecator> gnash and swfdec don't perform nearly as well
[07:28] <needpieceofmind> i made one and didnt like it  the coding was all jumbulled so im starting from scrath and doin it
[07:28] <tenach> Ahh, cool.
[07:28] <tenach> :D
[07:28] <needpieceofmind> does ubuntu have vlc play
[07:28] <needpieceofmind> player*
[07:28] <tenach> needpieceofmind, yes.
[07:29] <tenach> needpieceofmind, you can find it in the software center
[07:29] <needpieceofmind> yeah i been at it for about 6 months now
[07:29] <needpieceofmind> ok i think im prolly go hey wire once it gets done updating
[07:29] <tenach> or you can just apt-get install vlc
[07:29] <tenach> :D
[07:30] <needpieceofmind> lol i will do it like that
[07:31] <needpieceofmind> wanna learn this the right way not be a lazy iterface user
[07:33] <needpieceofmind> wow how do u make urself root
[07:33] <ddecator> sudo
[07:33] <tenach> all you need to do is sudo
[07:33] <needpieceofmind> just tried apt-get install vlc
[07:33] <tenach> making yourself root is dangerous.
[07:33] <ddecator> sudo apt-get isntall vlc
[07:33] <tenach> Hai MadameTock
[07:33] <ddecator> install*
[07:34] <needpieceofmind> lol i forgot the sudo
[07:39] <needpieceofmind> well i didnt realize its so later here so time for bed for me since the kid is sleeping and work come awful ealry
[07:39] <needpieceofmind> exit
[07:39] <needpieceofmind> #quit
[07:40] <MadameTock> Hai tenach
[08:27] <newboon2age_> packrat: oh, here's a point in your favor for now at least re: flash  YouTube Says HTML5 Not Ready for Prime Time  http://www.technewsworld.com/story/70333.html
[08:28] <packrat> oh, i wasnt exactly arguing that flash is great or anything
[08:28] <newboon2age_> packrat: course if they changed there mind tomorrow, it'd be a big sea shift...
[08:28] <packrat> i was just saying, with the way things are currently, flash wont be dropped any time even remotely soon
[08:28] <newboon2age_> packrat: no, i understood you were talking about entrenched in the market tek.  it is for now...
[08:28] <packrat> oh
[10:38] <tdn> In my homedir there is a folder called "Updater". What is this folder used for? It is empty? Is it safe to delete it? Why is it created? And by what?
[10:39] <tdn> Same with the Templates folder.
[10:40] <philinux> tdn, no idea, I dont have one. Is it a hidden file?
[10:40] <tdn> Not a hidden file.
[10:40] <philinux> tdn I have templates and it is empty
[10:40] <tdn> philinux, what is it for, and how do I use it?
[10:41] <philinux> If it's called Updater I've not come across this
[10:42] <philinux> Is this lucid lynx
[10:42] <tdn> This is Kubuntu lucid.
[10:43] <philinux> tdn, Ah well it maybe a default folder for Kubuntu.
[10:44] <tdn> Ok.
[10:46] <philinux> tdn, If it's empty and not .updater then You could remove it.
[10:46] <philinux> Even removing .files has no serious effect as apps recreate them when run to set the default settings
[10:47] <philinux> Apart from removing say .mozilla. You would loose all bookmarks etc
[10:47] <oCean_> philinux: the effect of losing ones settings might be serious to some people..
[10:47] <philinux> oCean of course but it dont bork your system
[10:47] <Silver_Fox_> I agree oCean_
[10:50] <philinux> Nice to see the forums back to normal. I got a holiday from moderating yesterday lol.
[10:51] <tdn> Ok.
[10:51] <tdn> philinux, what forum?
[10:51] <philinux> ubuntuforums.org
[10:52] <philinux> All of them were borked yesterday
[10:56] <Silver_Fox_> I imagine you are having fun removing / merging duplicate posts
[10:57] <philinux> Silver_fox, There was a lot of spam to clear up too. I did a few last night but I guess the guys on the night shift fixed most. I'm UK based
[10:57] <Silver_Fox_> Yes,  I noticed you are :)
[10:58] <Silver_Fox_> As am I
[10:58] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[11:01] <Silver_Fox_> Hows the weather in the North East? Brightened up here at last
[11:01] <Silver_Fox_> ^ philinux ^
[11:01] <Silver_Fox_> Sorry, North West
[11:01] <philinux> I'm Lancashire - not bad, blue skies returning
[11:02] <Silver_Fox_> Lancashire... M61
[11:03] <Silver_Fox_> Well,  I am currently residing in the midlands
[11:09] <Puck`> hi Silver_Fox_ (:
[11:10] <Silver_Fox_> Hey Puck` , on the air today ?
[11:10] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: not today, that was a test you saw on Twitter, if you saw it there (:
[11:10] <Silver_Fox_> Indeed I did
[11:11] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[11:11] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: I finally took on ajax, and did this: http://listen.xtradio.org/top.php It's all ajax so it updates automatically (:
[11:11] <Silver_Fox_> Great,  glad you finally did it :)
[11:11] <Puck`> mm ya :P it's great now the ideas are flooding me :P
[11:12] <Silver_Fox_> I have been doing some dev work myself using google maps and ajax. Would you like to see ?
[11:13] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: oh of course
[11:15] <Silver_Fox_> Puck`,  http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/roadtrip.htm  .  Click on the marker furthest on the right
[11:15] <Silver_Fox_> Then you will be able to click a thumbnail...
[11:15] <Silver_Fox_> I shall say no more :)
[11:16] <Puck`> oh oh this is nice :D
[11:16] <Silver_Fox_> The gallary can also be controlled with the keyboard :)
[11:17] <Silver_Fox_> Left and Right keys to nav. X will close it
[11:17] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: it makes you wonder why this isn't made by default
[11:19] <Silver_Fox_> Thanks Puck` .
[11:19] <Silver_Fox_> Well,  as for default i am not sure.
[11:19] <Silver_Fox_> The windows are left blank by google on purpose.  That leaves it very flexible
[11:20] <Silver_Fox_> I would also state that it is still not finished. I have overlays to add and more images
[11:21] <tenach> Looks pretty good so far
[11:22] <Silver_Fox_> Hey tenach ,  nice to see you about this early. How are things ?
[11:22] <Silver_Fox_> And thanks
[11:22] <tenach> Things are alright.  Very tired.
[11:22] <Silver_Fox_> Yes, I can imagine
[11:24] <Silver_Fox_> Thinking about getting to bed tenach  ?
[11:24] <Puck`> Silver_Fox_: this thing is awesome, I could image such a wordpress plugin (hint hint)
[11:24] <Silver_Fox_> Very subtle Puck`
[11:24] <Silver_Fox_> ;)
[11:24] <Puck`> :D
[11:25] <tenach> Yeah.
[11:25] <tenach> I am.
[11:25] <Puck`> hi tenach (:
[11:25] <tenach> Hello Puck`
[12:38] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:39] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[12:41] <Puck`> \o
[12:44] <philinux> \o/
[12:47] <mohi57o9> /o\
[12:48] <Silver_Fox_>   \o/
[12:48] <Silver_Fox_>    |
[12:48] <Silver_Fox_>   /\
[12:48] <Silver_Fox_> Damn
[12:48] <mohi57o9> fail :P
[12:48] <Silver_Fox_> So close...
[12:48] <mohi57o9> \o/
[12:49] <Silver_Fox_>  |
[12:49] <mohi57o9>  /\
[12:49] <mohi57o9> aww fail
[12:49] <Silver_Fox_> Well,  quite enough of this game anyway. This is supposed to be a support channel
[12:50] <philinux> (\__/)
[12:50] <Silver_Fox_> And its been v. busy ;)
[12:50] <mohi57o9> =]
[12:50] <Silver_Fox_> Fun and games to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:50] <philinux> Someone's bored lol
[13:02] <paultag> Oh surrrrrrrrre
[13:02] <paultag> now you want me back
[13:02] <mohi57o9> :/
[13:03] <mohi57o9> packrat, come back
[13:03] <mohi57o9> aww sorry paultag*
[13:03] <paultag> packrat?
[13:03] <paultag> >:D
[13:03] <paultag> Kinda like that name
[13:03] <mohi57o9> >:(
[13:03] <Silver_Fox_> Everything okay paultag  ?
[13:03] <paultag> Silver_Fox_: sure, how are you?
[13:03] <Silver_Fox_> Thinking about lunch, apart from that not bad
[13:04] <paultag> :)
[13:04] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[13:04]  * mohi57o9 says he will never use bash with paultag :/
[13:06] <paultag> mohi57o9: hahaha
[13:26] <FounDthisOut> hello .. plz help me with http://imagebin.org/103792 any 1 ?
[13:27] <philinux> Thats ntfs
[13:27] <FounDthisOut> its bad ?
[13:27] <philinux> Windows wont boot?
[13:27] <FounDthisOut> ya :(
[13:28] <philinux> What does it say, any error messages
[13:28] <FounDthisOut> nothing .. black screen with just a blinking small cursor
[13:29] <philinux> Machine does POST ok?
[13:29] <FounDthisOut> i have  CD  HD  Floppy boot sequence .. yes does post ok but when sees no cd to boot , goes to hard drive to boot and then nothing .. black screen
[13:29] <FounDthisOut> no error message nothing .. so i boot in ubuntu to do something .. it wont let me install ubuntu either
[13:30] <philinux> Ah was this a wubi install
[13:30] <FounDthisOut> i am not well aware of many phrases .. wubi ?
[13:30] <philinux> Did you install ubuntu inside windows with wubi
[13:31] <FounDthisOut> no .. i have booted from live CD .. old one but bootable
[13:31] <philinux> So this is purely a "windows wont boot" problem?
[13:31] <FounDthisOut> no, want to install ubuntu but it wont let me
[13:31] <philinux> You want to trash the ntfs partition
[13:32] <FounDthisOut> want to allocate 10 gigs of free 54 gbs for ubuntu
[13:32] <FounDthisOut> but gparted wont let me touch it to resize :(
[13:32] <FounDthisOut> i dont want to FORCE any command .. that usually causes dataloss
[13:32] <FounDthisOut> so i am here :)
[13:33] <philinux> Is this vista
[13:34] <FounDthisOut> no, this is live ubuntu cd 8.10 .. the HD is 500 Gb, only one drive [c:\] and is 445 gb full .. around 54 gb is free ... currently whole 500 gb is ntfs .. want to give 10 gb for ubuntu install
[13:34] <Lynkx> Boas...eu não sei se será aqui que se poderá ter um pouco de ajuda em relação ao ubuntu...é possível? Inglês ou português? Obrigado..
[13:34] <philinux> I mean has your hard drive got vista installed
[13:34] <FounDthisOut> no it has windows 7 ultimate 64 bit edition installed
[13:35] <philinux> Then you need to resize win 7 using win 7
[13:35] <FounDthisOut> but pc wont boot to windows 7
[13:35] <philinux> Using gparted could bork it
[13:35] <philinux> pc needs sorting first
[13:35] <pedro3005> Lynkx, english only, please
[13:35] <FounDthisOut> so i thought some boot manager was broken or something
[13:36] <philinux> Could be the mbr that needs fixing
[13:36] <philinux> Any windows experts in here?
[13:36] <FounDthisOut> can we do it?
[13:36] <Lynkx> Hi everyone. Is there someone that can give me a couple of hints regarding ubuntu? i really need some help... thanks...
[13:36] <pedro3005> sure, don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[13:36] <Lynkx> ok:)
[13:37] <Lynkx> Here's the thing
[13:37] <FounDthisOut> ok i go window channel, get help and get back here ?
[13:37] <philinux> foundthisout, http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=fix+windows+7+mbr&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[13:37] <Lynkx> i need to start using linux, but i have 2 problems
[13:37] <FounDthisOut> thanks .. reading
[13:37] <philinux> lynkx, go ahead
[13:37] <Lynkx> first: i can make video calls with anykind of chat messenger
[13:38] <Lynkx> cant
[13:38] <pedro3005> why not?
[13:38] <Lynkx> i wanna use empathy
[13:38] <Lynkx> but the options are grey
[13:38] <Lynkx> i cant use them
[13:38] <Lynkx> i tried emesene
[13:38] <Lynkx> but i can only see myself...
[13:38] <Lynkx> so,to use empathy, what can i do?
[13:39] <FounDthisOut> thanks i try that and come here .. will have to boot
[13:39] <philinux> lynkx, http://www.howzzit.com/blog/how-to-enable-audio-video-chat-on-empathy/
[13:40] <Lynkx> philinux, thanks, i will check it.
[13:40] <Lynkx> 2º thing, the one thats been driving me mad!!!!
[13:41] <Lynkx> i have a ati radeon x700, but i can find drivers anywhere? and the proprietary drivres doesnt work
[13:42] <Lynkx> a visited a couple of websites, but the explanations are completly insane...
[13:42] <Lynkx> i dont understand any of it
[13:43] <Lynkx> seems like i have to use a kind of open generic driver
[13:44] <Lynkx> is there a way i can fix this? i mean, easely? :)
[13:48] <Lynkx> ?
[13:50] <philinux> ati oh dear
[13:51] <philinux> Lynks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/40457
[13:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 40457 in xorg (Ubuntu) "ATI Radeon x700 not supported in Install or Live (dup-of: 22985)" [Medium,New]
[13:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 22985 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "[x700] fails to infer lvds for primary connector on acer ferrari 4005 | card detected, but driver fails to use right output port (dups: 25) (heat: 1)" [High,Fix released]
[13:52] <philinux> Lynkx, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+ati+radeon+x700&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[13:57] <Lynkx> :)right ATI... so, in other words: i am never gonna get this right, right? better to by an nvidia one?
[13:58] <Lynkx> they all have bugs...
[13:58] <Lynkx> well, gonna try it. Thanks Philinux and Ubot2
[13:58] <philinux> Lynks, When I bought this pc 2 years ago and did some research I made sure i got a nVidia card 8600GT. ATI fine in windows I believe
[13:59] <philinux> How old is that ati card?
[13:59] <Lynkx> yeah, i know...but wanna put windows in the virtual toillet.... about 4 years old
[14:00] <Lynkx> i dont get it...why is there no more support from ati to linux?
[14:01] <philinux> You'll have to ask them
[14:03] <Lynkx> right... damn shame .
[14:04] <Lynkx> iĺl manage some how...
[14:04] <Lynkx> look, about the empathy
[14:05] <philinux> I think the problem with ati is the support for older cards. You'll have to dig around
[14:06] <Lynkx> i just went to the site you gave me, and used the synaptic and downloaded the things i needed... still doesnt work... the options are not avaable...
[14:07] <Lynkx> jeezzz...does everything around ubuntu has to be this complicated? :)
[15:44] <that_guy__> hey anyone here know  how to down load win 7
[15:44] <that_guy__> on ubuntu?
[15:45] <Silver_Fox_> What do you mean download?  Do you mean install ?
[15:46] <that_guy__> yeah... sorry
[15:46] <Silver_Fox_> You will need to prepare your HDD.
[15:47] <Silver_Fox_> You will need to partition it
[15:47] <that_guy__> how do i do that?
[15:47] <Silver_Fox_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition
[15:47] <that_guy__> thanks
[15:48] <zkriesse> hey Silver_Fox_
[15:48] <duanedesign> that_guy__: also see the install Windows after Ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[15:58] <zkriesse> hello spursncowboys
[15:59] <spursncowboys> zkriesse: hi, how is everything?
[15:59] <zkriesse> spursncowboys: eh ok. and yourself?
[16:00] <spursncowboys> zkriesse: enjoying the last few days of my vacation.
[16:00] <zkriesse> cool
[16:03] <spursncowboys> zkriesse: do you know what frigg is?
[16:04] <zkriesse> not really
[16:12] <that_guy__> how do you run gparted?
[16:12] <Silver_Fox_> System -> Administration -> Gparted
[16:13] <that_guy__> thanks
[16:13] <that_guy__> didnt seee it...
[16:14] <Silver_Fox_> I assume you are on the live cd of Ubuntu
[16:18] <that_guy__> ok now how do i create a partition
[16:18] <that_guy__> i dont think i am silver fox
[16:19] <that_guy__> what do you mean by live cd?
[16:20] <Silver_Fox_> Download an Ubuntu LiveCD image (.iso) from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download
[16:20] <that_guy__> i think i have a cd of ubuntu lying around somewhere
[16:20] <Silver_Fox_> If you do,  find it :)
[16:20] <that_guy__> ok cool thanks
[16:20] <Silver_Fox_> It will save us some time
[16:26] <that_guy__> found it!
[16:26] <that_guy__> now what?
[16:26] <Silver_Fox_> Boot from it
[16:26] <that_guy__> ok
[16:27] <that_guy__> dont kill me but do you mean go to the .exe?
[16:28] <that_guy__> like the menu where it says Demo and full install Install inside windows and learn more?
[16:30] <that_guy__> hello??
[16:31] <Silver_Fox_> Yes, I am still here
[16:31] <holstein> that_guy__: the .exe in there is for the wubi i think
[16:31] <Silver_Fox_> I would choose demo
[16:31] <that_guy__> demo it is
[16:32] <that_guy__> okay gonna reboot so be back in a minute
[16:35] <that_guy__> i pressed reboot now but i aint doing anything
[16:36] <that_guy__> the thing is that its running under wine...
[16:36] <that_guy__> help?
[16:39] <holstein> that_guy__: your trying to install win7?
[16:39] <that_guy__> yes
[16:39] <holstein> and you have ubuntu installed now?
[16:39] <that_guy__> yes
[16:40] <Silver_Fox_> Do you wish to completely remove ubuntu
[16:40] <holstein> how about http://www.virtualbox.org/ that_guy__
[16:40] <that_guy__> no... i want to partition with it
[16:40] <holstein> i think thats the best way to run windows
[16:40] <that_guy__> ive been running that but i wanna play games on win7
[16:40] <hobgoblin> that_guy__: if that's the case - boot the livecd - shrink an exisitng partition - install win7
[16:40] <holstein> that_guy__: what do you mean, you want to partition with it?
[16:41] <holstein> yeah, virtualbox wont do games at a level you would be comfortable with
[16:42] <that_guy__> when i press reboot now it wont reboot... should i try manual reboot?
[16:44] <holstein> reboot in what?
[16:45] <that_guy___> okay, i just tried rebooting it but it didnt work
[16:45] <holstein> rebooting didnt work?
[16:45] <holstein> or partitioning?
[16:45] <that_guy___> rebooting
[16:45] <Silver_Fox_> Did you change your bios boot order ?
[16:46] <that_guy___> how do i do that?
[16:46] <holstein> it depends on your machine
[16:46] <holstein> you could google
[16:46] <holstein> your type of machine
[16:46] <holstein> and change boot order
[16:46] <holstein> OR bios settings
[16:46] <hobgoblin> that_guy___: can I ask what linux you are running and how you installed it
[16:47] <that_guy___> ubuntu 10.04 from cd
[16:47] <holstein> however you booted that CD to install ubuntu 10.04
[16:48] <holstein> it should be the same process
[16:48] <holstein> just dont install
[16:48] <holstein> run in live
[16:48] <hobgoblin> ok - so have you changed any settings on the pc since then - if not then the cd should boot - alternatively if you maybe did F2 or something to access a boot menu you need to do the same again
[16:48] <holstein> run it* live
[16:49] <that_guy___> thing is the menu is running under wine does that matter by any chance?
[16:49] <hobgoblin> until you've got the cd running then no-one is really going to be of much help as we will just be going round in circles
[16:49] <hobgoblin> that_guy___: why do you keep talking about wine?
[16:49] <holstein> that_guy___: what menu?
[16:49] <that_guy___> the autorun menu
[16:49] <that_guy___> from the cd
[16:50] <holstein> thats not how you start this process
[16:50] <holstein> you close that
[16:50] <holstein> turn the machine off
[16:50] <that_guy___> ok
[16:50] <holstein> and restart the machine with the CD in the drive
[16:50] <that_guy___> ill do that now
[17:24] <that_guy__> okay, im back here for now, ive relised what to do and you must hate me right now cos im a n00b
[17:25] <that_guy__> lets just say that i was running under the live cd ... ( i cant right now cos i have to download java to be on here and my internet is capped)
[17:25] <that_guy__> what now?
[17:26] <that_guy__> okay, if i was running under live cd, do i need to download gpart?
[17:27] <that_guy__> hello??
[17:28] <zkriesse> that_guy__: hi
[17:28] <hobgoblin> that_guy__: no - system > admin > partition editor
[17:30] <that_guy__> theres no partition editor on the menu
[17:30] <that_guy__> ahh... is there one when you go to live cd?
[17:30] <that_guy__> cos right now im running the full actual version..
[17:31] <hobgoblin> you asked about the livecd - I answered same :)
[17:31] <go> hi team
[17:31] <hobgoblin> hi puck
[17:32] <that_guy__> oh.. thanks hob.... i was a bit cofused...
[17:32] <hobgoblin> understandable when all is new
[17:32] <that_guy__> lets say i went in there... what next?
[17:33] <zkriesse> hey puck go
[17:33] <hobgoblin> that_guy__: just exactly what is it you are trying to accomplish - then I can help properly
[17:33] <that_guy__> im trying to download win7 as a partition...
[17:33] <hobgoblin> go ignores the fact that he's puck akos
[17:34] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: yeah lol
[17:34] <go> haha
[17:34] <hobgoblin> that_guy__: that makes no sense at all - win7 is an OS
[17:34] <go> ey guys, sorry, i was just joining some channels
[17:34] <that_guy__> like dual boot it
[17:36] <holstein> that_guy__: its much easier to do this the other way
[17:36] <holstein> if you already have windows installed
[17:36] <that_guy__> what do you mean?
[17:36] <holstein> BUT you can do it
[17:37] <holstein> you have ubuntu installed on your entire hard drive right now right?
[17:37] <that_guy__> i dont have windows already installed i only have ubuntu
[17:37] <holstein> OK
[17:37] <holstein> SO
[17:37] <holstein> you need to re-claim some hard drive space for windows
[17:37] <that_guy__> ok...
[17:37] <that_guy__> how much space do i need?
[17:37] <holstein> you need to re-size a partition
[17:37] <holstein> so you'll have room to install windows
[17:38] <holstein> thats up to you that_guy__
[17:38] <that_guy__> how much space do i need?
[17:38] <holstein> i would think 10 GB would be the smallest
[17:38] <that_guy__> using gparted?
[17:38] <holstein> gparted will do that
[17:38] <holstein> allow you to re-claim some space for your upcoming windows install
[17:39] <that_guy__> is it dangerous to try to do that on the actual ubuntu?
[17:39] <holstein> you need to do this from a live CD
[17:39] <that_guy__> ok
[17:39] <holstein> THEN
[17:39] <hobgoblin> that_guy__: I would be inclined to go to the windows site and find the minumum space requirement - moving partitions is not something that you would want to do more than once
[17:39] <holstein> after you reclaim the space
[17:39] <holstein> you'll install windows
[17:40] <holstein> and you'll have to re-install GRUB
[17:40] <holstein> !grub2
[17:40] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[17:40] <holstein> in there should be a section on retoring grub from a live CD
[17:40] <holstein> after the windows install, you wont be able to boot into ubuntu
[17:41] <hobgoblin> holstein - I am going to butt out - one person dealing with this is sufficient - I would think it will get confusing otherwise - all I'd say is it might be good to be creating sadi partition at the beginning of the drive
[17:41] <holstein> hobgoblin: no, go for it
[17:41] <holstein> im just trying to give an overview of all the steps :)
[17:41] <holstein> the best way i know
[17:41] <hobgoblin> it's cool - you go for it - I'll be modding on the forums
[17:41] <holstein> OK
[17:42] <hobgoblin> ping if you want me though :)
[17:42] <hobgoblin> gah - I hate forum mods anyway
[17:42] <hobgoblin> :D
[17:42] <that_guy__> the microsoft website said 18 to 20gb
[17:43] <holstein> that_guy__: again, thats up to you
[17:43] <holstein> i think most people split it down the middle
[17:43] <holstein> for example
[17:43] <holstein> if you have a 100GB hard drive
[17:43] <holstein> 50GB to each OS
[17:44] <that_guy__> how would i change it on gparted?
[17:44] <holstein> i would google gparted
[17:44] <holstein> and read the documentation
[17:44] <holstein> just to be safe
[17:45] <holstein> and make backups of important data
[17:45] <that_guy__> ok, im gonna boot from live cd now... ill be back if i need some more help :)
[17:45] <holstein> but, in theory
[17:45] <holstein> you boot from the live cd
[17:45] <that_guy__> i have no important data so its ok
[17:45] <holstein> find your partition
[17:45] <holstein> and resize it
[17:45] <holstein> leaving a big enough empty space for your windows install
[17:46] <that_guy__> ok thanks for your help... ill try my best from here on
[17:46] <holstein> that_guy__: if you have NO important data
[17:46] <holstein> the easiest way to go for you might be
[17:46] <holstein> to just install windows7
[17:46] <holstein> on the whole drive
[17:46] <holstein> and reinstall ubuntu after the fact
[17:47] <that_guy__> ill try this first and if it doesnt work, ill try the whole drive
[17:47] <holstein> the ubuntu installer makes this easy
[17:47] <holstein> that_guy__: cool :)
[17:47] <holstein> its totally do-able
[17:47] <that_guy__> thanks...
[17:53] <hobgoblin> it would be so much easier to have info like that at the beginning :)
[17:58] <holstein> yeah, while you have windows still installed
[17:59] <holstein> its a couple clicks to do it after you got windows already installed
[17:59] <hobgoblin> yea - I did delete partition - install linux :D
[18:00] <holstein> i dont think we'll see an 'install windows and ubuntu side by side' option in the microsoft installer anytime soon ;)
[18:00] <hobgoblin> no - and it would probably fail if there was ...
[18:00] <holstein> lol
[18:00] <hobgoblin> how many filetypes in an option ?
[18:00] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha
[18:01] <hobgoblin> anyway - I'm sure he will be back soon - pretty sure I've seen them before
[18:01] <hobgoblin> anyway - afk for a while
[18:01] <holstein> he'll get it sorted out
[18:01] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:01] <holstein> laters
[18:45] <hobgoblin> hi swoody
[18:46] <swoody> hobgoblin: heya piskie :D
[18:46] <swoody> how's things going?
[18:46] <hobgoblin> how's things?
[18:46] <hobgoblin> good here ty :)
[18:47] <swoody> hobgoblin: excellent to hear :)
[18:47] <philinux> o/
[18:47] <hobgoblin> hi philinux
[18:47] <philinux> \o
[18:47] <swoody> hobgoblin: things have gotten increasingly better for me, I just landed a job (finally!) and I start on Tuesday :D
[18:47] <swoody> heya philinux :)
[18:47] <paultag> grats swoody
[18:47] <paultag> swoody: whatcha doin?
[18:47] <swoody> oh heya paultag :) How's things been?
[18:48]  * meindian523 pats swoody on the back
[18:48] <hobgoblin> superb news swoody - well done :)
[18:48] <swoody> paultag: Datacenter Tech/Sys Admin
[18:48] <hobgoblin> hi paultag meindian523
[18:48] <swoody> thanks meindian523 and hobgoblin :)
[18:48] <meindian523> hi hobgoblin
[18:48] <paultag> swoody: good good, hows you doin?
[18:48] <swoody> all these lurkers here ;P
[18:48] <paultag> DarkNemesis: killer, whereat?
[18:48] <paultag> hey hobgoblin
[18:48] <philinux> swoody, what's the job entail
[18:48] <swoody> paultag: oh I can't complain anymore, thank you :)
[18:48] <paultag> erm swoody, killer whereat
[18:48] <paultag> sorry DarkNemesis
[18:49] <zkriesse> yo yo paultag !
[18:49] <DarkNemesis> mmm its ok
[18:49] <hobgoblin> pretty good tabfail there paultag
[18:49] <swoody> philinux: mostly racking servers, troubleshooting, some terminal work, just keeping the servers up and running for the most part ;)
[18:49] <paultag> hobgoblin: shit, you're tellen me
[18:49] <swoody> paultag: www.singlehop.com
[18:49] <paultag> swoody: Fail!
[18:49] <hobgoblin> :)
[18:49] <paultag> hey zkriesse
[18:49] <meindian523> hobgoblin, tired of doing elf magic and decided to turn evil?
[18:49] <paultag> looks good there swoody
[18:49] <hobgoblin> meindian523: I always was ;)
[18:49]  * DarkNemesis wants to repeal section 63 of the criminal justice and immigration bill as part of the great repeal act
[18:50] <DarkNemesis> sorry, wrong place
[18:50] <hobgoblin> DarkNemesis lol
[18:50] <meindian523> hobgoblin, oh, more evil than before then
[18:50] <swoody> paultag: thanks :) It is a pretty sweet gig, got the lead from tronyx who is (was) a memeber of my loco :)
[18:50] <paultag> swoody: He is long outa Chi-town
[18:50]  * meindian523 was just about to ask what Section 63 did to DarkNemesis as to suffer that fate
[18:50] <DarkNemesis> hobgoblin, not know what i'm refering to? if you dont tough... :P
[18:50] <swoody> paultag: yeah, but the company is his old place of employment
[18:51] <paultag> swoody: oh no frak
[18:51] <paultag> swoody: nice
[18:51] <DarkNemesis> meindian523, it makes thinking certain things illegal
[18:51] <swoody> paultag: and he still usually hangs out in #u-chicago, so I count him as one of us :)
[18:51] <paultag> swoody: steal me some serverspace :)
[18:51] <paultag> swoody: ahh, yeah :)
[18:51] <swoody> paultag: I'll see what I can do, lol -.-
[18:52] <paultag> haha
[18:52] <hobgoblin> DarkNemesis: the lol was for the channel - but I'd say you've little chance of repealing that - and before we get told no politics - it'll never amount to much - the LD will be removed in time
[18:52] <paultag> hobgoblin: LD ?
[18:52] <hobgoblin> paultag: UK politics - lib dems
[18:53] <paultag> hobgoblin: ahha, yes, I know the lib dem party :)
[18:53] <hobgoblin> supposedly sharing power with the nasty party
[18:53] <paultag> hobgoblin: I try and keep up with modern politics
[18:53] <paultag> hobgoblin: I figure if people know US politics, I should learn a bit about other's
[18:53] <hobgoblin> guido fawkes missed - I think he should have another go
[18:53] <paultag> other systems *
[18:53]  * philinux No politics
[18:53] <swoody> paultag: if there were a serious need for something Ubuntu-related, I'm sure they may be responsive to it... http://www.singlehop.com/why_singlehop/supporting_open_source.php
[18:53] <hobgoblin> paultag: totally agree with that system
[18:53] <paultag> hobgoblin: remember remember the 5th of november
[18:53] <hobgoblin> I do :)
[18:54] <hobgoblin> I was there - I am a myth :D
[18:54] <philinux> hobgoblin was there
[18:54] <paultag> swoody: o'rly?
[18:54]  * meindian523 wonders what are the parallels for the US Republican & Democrat parties in UK politics
[18:54] <swoody> paultag: yeah, they're a pretty cool bunch of guys from what I've seen so far :)
[18:55] <hobgoblin> meindian523: I think the left in the US is more or less the right in the UK - the right in the US has no parallel - or that is my understanding
[18:55] <paultag> swoody: rockn
[18:55] <paultag> hobgoblin: the right on the US is the facist party elsewhere
[18:55] <paultag> hobgoblin: moderate is lib-dem, and left wing is moderate
[18:56] <paultag> hobgoblin: US politics are fscked
[18:56] <hobgoblin> meindian523: though to be frank in the UK they are all more or less in the centre
[18:56] <meindian523> hobgoblin, as in the right in the UK wants big govt, less taxes and more populist spending?
[18:56] <hobgoblin> mmmm
[18:57] <hobgoblin> the right are the conservative lot, the left are a small part of the labour party - the remainder being more or less conservative
[18:57] <hobgoblin> at the moment I don't think it matters where you live - it is all pretty much screwed up
[18:57] <meindian523> hobgoblin, the problem with using words like "conservative" is the GOP and the Tories (IIRC) are both conservative
[18:57] <hobgoblin> seen it all before
[18:58] <meindian523> it depends on the country, what you mean by conservative
[18:58] <paultag> Well, the "right" wing maintains the status qo, and the "left" wing wants to change things
[18:58] <paultag> so every time the "left" makes a change, they become more "right"
[18:58] <hobgoblin> but meh - in the UK there are 600 odd pigs with their snouts in the trough - I'vew no time for any of them
[18:58] <paultag> so the terms change in meaning often
[18:58] <hobgoblin> this ^^
[18:59] <meindian523> paultag, change, hopefully for the better?
[18:59] <meindian523> towards more free trade, less trade barriers, etc
[18:59] <meindian523> ?
[18:59] <paultag> meindian523: that is the hope. Otherwise we are just going in circles
[18:59] <paultag> meindian523: no
[18:59] <paultag> meindian523: half of us want that, the others work to change that
[18:59] <paultag> half the time, half of us are "left" and the other half we are "right"
[19:00] <hobgoblin> it'll take more than politicians to change
[19:00] <meindian523> ouch, half of my brain is now officially dead
[19:00] <paultag> the meanings change every year meindian523. You can see this pretty clearly in our history
[19:00] <paultag> aye hobgoblin
[19:00] <hobgoblin> I'd change paultag's "our history" and remove the "our"
[19:00] <paultag> hobgoblin: aye
[19:01] <hobgoblin> stlsaint: good evenink
[19:01] <meindian523> In India, the right wants more free market, and the left wants more socialism
[19:01] <meindian523> IML, they haven't changed
[19:01] <paultag> meindian523: and when the left wing gets what they want, they turn into the right wing
[19:01] <paultag> meindian523: because the right wing wants to keep the status quo, and the left wing wants to make changes
[19:02] <paultag> meindian523: so when things change, the left becomes the right and the right becomes the left
[19:02] <hobgoblin> :)
[19:02] <paultag> meindian523: I would be a Republican in 1992, their platform is the same one Obama ran on
[19:02] <hobgoblin> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on a pad of paper - can anyone help me
[19:03] <paultag> hobgoblin: lik omg did u install teh wood drivers>
[19:03] <paultag> hobgoblin: you needs to interface to the woodcpu
[19:03] <hobgoblin> I found the exe one - will that work
[19:03] <paultag> hobgoblin: just run it in apple os x
[19:03] <swoody> paultag: you mean the tiger wood drivers? :D
[19:03] <paultag> hobgoblin: it should be fine
[19:03] <hobgoblin> or do I need A6
[19:03] <meindian523> well, in India, AFAIK, the left would be happy if we were a communist democracy <-- don't know whether that is a paradox, and the right would be happy if were completely free market
[19:03] <hobgoblin> paultag:
[19:03] <paultag> hobgoblin: ohhhh, you are international, you did not say that
[19:03] <hobgoblin> cool
[19:04] <paultag> hobgoblin: you will need the a6_4bit extentions
[19:04] <hobgoblin> aaah - of course I is
[19:04] <hobgoblin> LMAO
[19:04] <paultag> meindian523: but if you were a communist state, the right wing would want it to stay that way
[19:05] <paultag> meindian523: so the "left" wing would now want to keep it like that and become the "right" wing
[19:05] <paultag> hobgoblin: :P
[19:05] <meindian523> paultag, I don't think we have ever sufficiently swung in one direction that the left becomes the right and the right becomes the left
[19:05] <paultag> meindian523: it happens in the USA regularly
[19:06] <meindian523> well, when you have had more than, IIRC, 100 years of independence, you get to make that many more swinging changes
[19:07] <meindian523> swoody, singlehop doesn't do retail hosting, do they?
[19:07] <stlsaint> hola senors
[19:07] <meindian523> hola senorita
[19:07] <meindian523> :P
[19:08] <hobgoblin> stlsaint:  is a baby ...
 boo who
[19:08] <hobgoblin> see
[19:08] <paultag> meindian523: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25847
[19:08]  * meindian523 wonders what's the Spanish word for a baby
[19:08] <paultag> meindian523: that is the republican party platform of 1992
[19:08] <paultag> meindian523: it looks like our democrat platform this last election
[19:08]  * meindian523 reads
[19:09] <swoody> meindian523: TBH, I don't know for sure :/
[19:09] <swoody> meindian523: I haven't started working there just yet, so I don't want to say positively what type of clients they work with
[19:10] <meindian523> paultag, lol, "Here at home, we warned against Big Government, because we knew concentrated decisionmaking, no matter how well-intentioned, was a danger to liberty and prosperity."
[19:10] <meindian523> tronyx, ?
[19:10] <paultag> meindian523: aye
[19:11] <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping
[19:11] <meindian523> But AFAIK, GOP always campaigns for lower taxes, so that is something they didn't change
[19:11] <paultag> meindian523: yes, but being the GOP does not make you right wing IIRC
[19:12] <paultag> meindian523: aye, check -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
[19:12] <meindian523> paultag, nah, as you said the parties keep interchanging positions, so I'm now defining them by what they aim at, and not whether the call themselves right wing or left wing
[19:13] <paultag> good :)
[19:13] <meindian523> paultag, I have read that, problem is Wikipedia has a mostly American slant
[19:13] <paultag> that's what you should
[19:13] <paultag> meindian523: most of the wikipedia contributors are American, so it has a natural bias
[19:13] <meindian523> as hobgoblin said, UK left is US right, and vice versa
[19:14] <paultag> meindian523: the republo-facist party in the USA is far more radical then anywhere else in the world
[19:14] <meindian523> and that is usually not reflected..
[19:14] <meindian523> one second...
[19:15] <hobgoblin> back later - I'll bring my stick to stir the pot again :)
[19:15] <hobgoblin> almost like the old old days in here
[19:15] <meindian523> +1 hobgoblin
[19:15] <newboon2age_> paultag: and most unfortunately most Americans are completely unaware of how far out of sync and extremist the right wing bias of the US really is.
[19:16] <paultag> newboon2age_: for sure
[19:16] <paultag> newboon2age_: it's very scary
[19:16] <newboon2age_> paultag: very very
[19:16] <stlsaint> very
[19:17] <swoody> very :/
[19:17] <paultag> this is why I like you guys :)
[19:17] <paultag> I don't feel so radical
[19:18] <swoody> cause we're all a bunch of Communists too? ;)
[19:18] <newboon2age_> paultag: the world was rejoicing when Obama was elected because the thought the fascist nightmare that was W was over.  you could see it when bishop tutu came on the Daily Show
[19:18] <newboon2age_> paultag: it was like the world breathed a sigh of relief
[19:19] <paultag> newboon2age_: not to mention someone with an education would be holding the nuclear codes, not a fsck()ing idiot
[19:19] <paultag> HURP DE DURP THEY THINK I'M DUMN LOL HERES A NUKE
[19:20] <newboon2age_> paultag: however unfortunately its not that simple.  The monopolist/capitalist/fascist/corpratist/oligarchic model is extremely entrenched and with American not even being aware of the problem let alone fighting to overturn it, ...
[19:20] <paultag> newboon2age_: aye
[19:21] <paultag> newboon2age_: absolutly. It's quite scary what we've become. The corperations in America run the state. It's funny to look through the change from us regulating them, to them regulating us
[19:21] <paultag> newboon2age_: the goverment will bend over backwards for a corperation without fail
[19:21] <newboon2age_> paultag: I'm a Green myself.  i consider myself very moderate in the overall world-wide scheme of things.  That shows just how right-wing the US is because here it looks like i'm far left.
[19:22] <paultag> newboon2age_: aye
[19:22] <paultag> newboon2age_: I don't clam political affiliation
[19:22] <paultag> newboon2age_: closest is Marxist / Communist
[19:23] <philinux> Me is middle of the road.
[19:23] <newboon2age_> paultag: i consider Obama to definitely, absolutley be right of center.  No public option.  Considering nuclear power and option.  Continuing to violate Pakistanin sovereingty and not shutting Guantanomo.... etc.
[19:23] <paultag> newboon2age_: aye, I'm with you
[19:23] <paultag> newboon2age_: he is far left when compared with Bush, but still right
[19:25] <newboon2age_> paultag: his form of 'moderate' is to compromise with the crazy-right.  No thanks.  But i realize it might be a necessary evil to get us through to a better place... i just want to see some actual movement that way
[19:25] <paultag> newboon2age_: I'm with you, pal
[19:25] <zkriesse> If we're going to be talking politics let's move to -team
[19:25] <zkriesse> and i'm jumping in
[19:26] <paultag> zkriesse: it's quiet out, it's OK
[19:26] <zkriesse> ok i'm jumping still
[19:26] <newboon2age_> paultag: i've been extremely, extremely depressed about this for the past year.  So finding Ubuntu is a real saving grace.
[19:26] <paultag> zkriesse: when someone pops in for help, we just have to be sure to help
[19:26] <zkriesse> Obama is an ass....
[19:26] <zkriesse> Well idiot anyway
[19:26] <paultag> newboon2age_: aye
[19:26] <paultag> newboon2age_: it's the closest to Communism I can get in the states
[19:27] <newboon2age_> paultag: which is that?  Green Party
[19:27] <paultag> newboon2age_: Ubuntu
[19:28] <paultag> newboon2age_: the idea of no Private Property, taking what you want and giving back what you can
[19:28] <newboon2age_> paultag: gotcha
[19:28] <paultag> newboon2age_: it's a nice change
[19:28] <paultag> newboon2age_: indeed we are taking down the capitilist trash known as Microsoft and Apple ;)
[19:28] <paultag> and doing it with a smile and a hug
[19:28] <paultag> it's nice
[19:28] <newboon2age_> paultag: LOVE IT!!!
[19:29] <paultag> :)
[19:30] <newboon2age_> paultag: i love that Ubuntu is sort of an indirect take down.  I think when you try to fight directly you become too much like what you're trying to fight.  Here we're concentrating on what we want to create in the world, not what we hate.
[19:30] <paultag> newboon2age_: aye aye, that's for sure
[19:31] <paultag> newboon2age_: that's the only way communism can work imho, the idea of small fractions that are in constant revolt. The idea that everything is questioned makes for some interesting self-moderation
[19:31] <paultag> newboon2age_: if you don't like it, leave and do it your way, y'know
[19:31] <paultag> if it's good, people will join
[19:31] <paultag> if not, then you can do it for you
[19:31] <newboon2age_> I don't know if this is really the case but i was interested in seeing an article (i'll go find it) that said Windoze users really hate Monopoly$oft in a way that Linux users don't...
[19:32] <paultag> newboon2age_: I'd be interested in reading that
[19:32] <meindian523> +1, /me would want to read that
[19:33] <paultag> newboon2age_: I have to run out and fix my backyard. Goddamn fence is falling apart. Shoot me an email -- paultag@ubuntu
[19:33] <meindian523> paultag, I think the Ubuntu philosophy as you stated it should actually read, taking what you "need" and giving back what you can
[19:33] <paultag> newboon2age_: great chatt'n :)
[19:33] <newboon2age_> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Who-Should---or-Shouldnt---Use-Linux-70329.html
[19:33] <paultag> meindian523: :)
[19:33] <paultag> newboon2age_: ah, awesome
[19:33] <paultag> newboon2age_: thanks :)
[19:34] <paultag> thanks newboon2age_, I'll catch up later
[19:34] <paultag> late meindian523 :)
[19:34] <newboon2age_> because they've had to be locked in the cage (self imposed at this point) of M$, unaware of their options, resentful
[19:34] <newboon2age_> paultag: later amigo
[19:34] <meindian523> paultag, was speakin on the phone
[19:34] <paultag> meindian523: newboon2age_: cheerio!
[19:34] <meindian523> gday paultag
[19:35]  * meindian523 had better be off to sleep too
[19:35] <newboon2age_> meindian523: basically Linux Girl concludes that most everyone except those locked into particular programs that only run on Windoze should run Linux
[19:35] <newboon2age_> meindian623: good night...
[19:38] <newboon2age_> paultag: a last thought on the topic: I might prefer to call it communitarianism .
[22:42] <win_2_linux> question: when burning cds/dvds with ubuntu using brassero, do you have to close all programs and walk away from the computer like you do in windows or now?
[22:44] <holstein> hmmm
[22:44] <holstein> you shouldnt
[22:44] <holstein> i guess it depends on your hardware
[22:46] <win_2_linux> ok
[22:48] <win_2_linux> I was experimenting, with brassero, on my desktop I have 2 gig ram,  3gig dual core windows machine and I still have to close all programs when burning in XP
[22:49] <phillw> win_2_linux: you will find ubuntu far less resource hungry than Win, with that specification, you should have no problems :-)
[22:49] <win_2_linux> and on my lap top I have 1 gig ram and 1.6 gig laptop m processor or something, surfed the web, chatted on Irc and checked email and it burned nicely
[22:49] <phillw> I can burn DVD on my 1GB RAM Intel Celeron M laptop, and keep surfing, on IRC etc.
[22:49] <win_2_linux> ubunut is on my laptop right now so I can get used to it, before putting it on my desktop
[22:50] <win_2_linux> yeah i just did that phillw and it burned nicely
[22:50] <win_2_linux> same amount of time as imageburn in windows, I was burning the new 10.10 alpha
[22:51] <win_2_linux> don't know about speed though i think I remember it took imgburn the same amount of time to burn and iso to cd as brassero 6 min
[22:52] <win_2_linux> i mean speed is just the same,
[22:52] <holstein> the speed is going to be dictated by your hardware to some degree
[22:52] <win_2_linux> so it passed anyway with flying colors
[22:52] <win_2_linux> :)
[22:53] <win_2_linux> understand
[22:53] <holstein> linux doesnt work miracles
[22:53] <win_2_linux> understand that too
[22:53] <holstein> it just seems that way compared to the competion ;)
[22:53] <win_2_linux> its for comparison
[22:53] <phillw> win_2_linux: just remember, if you are burning iso images (boot disks) then it strongly suggested you use 4X speed, that is because of the risk of buffer underflow to the cd/dvd -R disk which will give you an usuable disk. for data etc, you can run fast :-)
[22:53] <holstein> competition*
[22:55] <phillw> holstein: there is competition ? ;-)
[22:55] <win_2_linux> oh i've found that out, I was in a hurry so I wanted something burned to the max speed on my desktop 40x and it did but cd was unusable, found that out later sucked so i burn everything at lower speeds
[22:55] <holstein> phillw: hehe :)
[22:55] <win_2_linux> apparently microsoft is intimidated by linux,
[22:56] <win_2_linux> and ibm doesn't approve of opensource
[22:56] <phillw> win_2_linux: the data accuracy for an iso is far greater than that for data - slow stops you getting into 'funnies' mode- which is really infuriating
[22:56] <win_2_linux> yes most definately
[22:57] <win_2_linux> lol
[22:57] <phillw> win_2_linux: ibm are pretty okay with open source
[22:57] <phillw> they just do not advertise it widely.
[22:57] <win_2_linux> i read somewhere that someone at ibm said open sources infringes upon intellectual property rights or something
[22:57] <phillw> win_2_linux: everyone says that :-)
[22:58] <phillw> win_2_linux: the truth is https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/ more like that
[22:58] <win_2_linux> but open source programs are sure to be aware of their intellectual property rights but choose to give it away as a gift
[23:00] <win_2_linux> i don't see much difference in 10.10 when i installed it on a virtual box
[23:00] <phillw> win_2_linux: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/  also is a good resource (I have a free log-in for those areas)
[23:01] <phillw> win_2_linux: as 10.10 is just hit alpha2, it is still very 10.04 to most people
[23:01] <phillw> it gets more interesting as the 1st beta is released, as that gives a better idea of where things are going.
[23:02] <win_2_linux> yes it is
[23:03] <win_2_linux> so ibm coming out with their own distro now?
[23:03] <phillw> win_2_linux: keep a close eye on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=385 that let's you know what it going on. IBM have had a unix / linux for many years.
[23:04] <win_2_linux> i remember when there were graphic viewers for tty
[23:04] <win_2_linux> but do they give it away
[23:04] <win_2_linux> or is it just for their own systems
[23:04] <phillw> he he, i remember being totally shocked when I saw X for the 1st time on unix 20+ years ago :-D
[23:05] <win_2_linux> oh that was my experiment with mandrake 10 years ago,
[23:05] <win_2_linux> when it flubbed up and wouldn't reinstall or could I fix it so i had to install windows
[23:06] <win_2_linux> and never went back to linux
[23:06] <win_2_linux> i think i played with kde but it was unstable
[23:06] <paultag> win_2_linux, that's when I switched
[23:06] <paultag> win_2_linux, I was using Mandrake 9.1, in 2001. Shit I feel old.
[23:06] <paultag> Kinda sad, I'm 21.
[23:07] <win_2_linux> feeling at 21
[23:07] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:07] <win_2_linux> well when i was 21 i kind a felt old too, it was like  the end of everything
[23:07] <phillw> we had X on a unix server just as Windows 3 came out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.0
[23:07] <paultag> win_2_linux, I just figured out I've been using GNU/Linux for 10 years
[23:07] <win_2_linux> since you were 11
[23:07] <paultag> win_2_linux, yes
[23:07] <phillw> scary, but I'm just showing my age  now :-D
[23:07] <paultag> win_2_linux, my mom is a sysadmin
[23:07] <win_2_linux> oh
[23:08] <win_2_linux> well then you have advantages, was she all for installing linux on home machines
[23:08] <paultag> win_2_linux, so she had me using RPM before I was out of elementary school
[23:08] <paultag> win_2_linux, aye aye
[23:08] <win_2_linux> win3 was UGLY
[23:08] <phillw> it was more a GUI than dos was ;-)
[23:09] <win_2_linux> so you know all the ups and downs ins and outs, do your friends make fun of you when you carry your linux laptop around and they have windows
[23:09] <paultag> win_2_linux, haha. they used to
[23:09] <paultag> win_2_linux, nowadays it's cool to be a GNU/Linux luser
[23:09] <win_2_linux> i was a kid when win3 came out and thought it was ugly
[23:10] <win_2_linux> yeah it is, more people are doing it,
[23:10] <win_2_linux> hate buying new pcs or laptops and having all that garbage installed on it
[23:10] <win_2_linux> trial ware, who needs them i never use them anyway
[23:10] <win_2_linux> linux doesn't have trial ware lol
[23:11] <paultag> not if you do it right :)
[23:11] <win_2_linux> well didn't dell and HP come out with linux pcs or was that scrapped
[23:11] <win_2_linux> well i always uninstall the trial ware, shareware and screware
[23:14] <phillw> btw, before we get moaned at ... Want offtopic?  Frustrating UX
[23:21] <paultag> win_2_linux, yessir
[23:22] <paultag> win_2_linux, XP was new when I got off it
[23:22] <win_2_linux> no phillw is a sir, i'm way younger
[23:22] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:22] <win_2_linux> yeah i think everyone is convinced its the only way you can run a computer or go mac
[23:22] <win_2_linux> and those who use mac are using osx which is unix based anyway
[23:22]  * phillw yeah, I still support up to vista, although 98SE and XP were the ones I found most stable (well, there was the little ooops with SP2 in XP), from what I've heard Win7 seems pretty good
[23:23] <win_2_linux> its still new, although not many complaints like vista
[23:23] <phillw> Mac 9.2 is about as late as I got with Mac, although the machine will run OSX 10.1.5
[23:23] <win_2_linux> win7 looks like kde
[23:24] <win_2_linux> look how long it takes to put a new windows out, how many years between xp and 7
[23:24] <phillw> I've not used knoppix in so many years, it was a nice OS
[23:25] <win_2_linux> and its leaked that they're planning win 8 now
[23:25] <phillw> you forget the ones they bring out and bomb ;-)
[23:25] <phillw> don't mention ME to microsoft :-D
[23:25] <win_2_linux> what was between xp and vista? i don't remember
[23:26] <win_2_linux> oh i had me, millenium edtion lol
[23:26] <phillw> win_2_linux: nothing ... they seemed to have learbed their lesson - lol
[23:26] <phillw> oooh, I forgot - there was Service Pack 2 - that broke a lot of computers
[23:26] <phillw> I was busy...
[23:26] <win_2_linux> i didn't have problems sp2
[23:27] <win_2_linux> every now and again i'd get the blue screen about rebooting into safemode but they were few and far between
[23:27] <phillw> *vista ready* was fun, that kept me busy also
[23:27] <win_2_linux> what is vista ready
[23:28] <win_2_linux> i think bill gates biggest mistake was making is company public
[23:28] <phillw> thatwas when they sold computers saying that they were 'vista ready' and it failed... badly.
[23:28] <win_2_linux> he should've kept it private maybe his Os would've been better
[23:28] <phillw> oddly enough, my laptop was designed for vista and does not like XP
[23:29] <win_2_linux> vista was ms second embarrassment
[23:29] <win_2_linux> although I have a friend who swears by it,doesn't want to goto 7
[23:29] <win_2_linux> said he never had the problems everyone else complained about
[23:29] <phillw> if your kit was designed for vista, it will run it really well.
[23:30] <phillw> vista was the last i ran, it's no longer dual boot on here.
[23:30] <win_2_linux> he builds his own computers from ground up...well he doesn't make mother boards or anything he buys the parts he wants and builds form there
[23:30] <win_2_linux> my laptop is not dual boot, its just ubuntu linix
[23:31] <win_2_linux> form = from
[23:31] <win_2_linux> and desktop is just winxp
[23:31] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:31] <win_2_linux> on lap top now
[23:31] <phillw> mine boots unbuntu 10.04, ubuntu 10.10, lubuntu 10.04 and lubuntu 10.10 - that's enough to keep me busy :-)
[23:31] <win_2_linux> funny when it had xp on it, i used this laptop less and when i installed ubuntu i use it more
[23:33] <win_2_linux> are more manufacturers making device drivers for linux now, or are they still behind the times
[23:33] <phillw> I've just lubuntu on to an old xp laptop for my mum - results are good from my mum - no waiting 4 minutes while it updates all the anti virus stuff etc.
[23:33] <phillw> some are good, others are notoriouslly slow.
[23:34] <win_2_linux> yes, in win you have to constantly run antivirus software,
[23:34] <win_2_linux> and it slows things down
[23:34] <win_2_linux> what is lubuntu or latin ubuntu
[23:34] <phillw> it does on 512MB of ram
[23:35] <win_2_linux> my wish is that blizzard would make an installer for WoW and not have to use wine
[23:35] <phillw> lubuntu is the slimmest *buntu about. It has not been fully adopted into the family yet, but we're hopeful we may make it for 10.10. It is currently at 'stable beta' for 10.04
[23:35] <win_2_linux> what about tiny linux or damned small linux
[23:35] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:36] <phillw> they do not give you all of ubuntu
[23:36] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[23:36] <win_2_linux> what exactly is slackware...are they based on any distro debian, red hat etc or are they their own
[23:37] <phillw> there are so many choices in the linux community, this baffles people from Win.
[23:37] <win_2_linux> yes I do have the full distro of debian
[23:37] <phillw> there's about 7 flavours of ubuntu !!
[23:37] <win_2_linux> Ultimate Edition Ubuntu
[23:38] <phillw> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52  I must update that to put on MythUbuntu
[23:38] <win_2_linux> wow does irc still split
[23:39] <win_2_linux> i would think after all these years the servers would be more stable
[23:40] <win_2_linux> i chose irc over aol chatrooms lol
[23:40] <win_2_linux> remember those
[23:42] <phillw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit explains why it happens, simply put - it is a server getting overloaded or checking in and taking some time out :-)
[23:42] <win_2_linux> oh
[23:43] <phillw> this can be scheduled down time
[23:44] <phillw> usually seen at public holidays, when servers are taken down for maintenance or the Americans are all bored and celebrating independence day :p
[23:45] <win_2_linux> so you're not american
[23:45] <win_2_linux> American
[23:45] <phillw> UK
[23:45] <win_2_linux> ahhh
[23:46] <win_2_linux> so you're in late evening now
[23:46] <phillw> I always send them my regards
[23:46] <phillw> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=111
[23:48] <win_2_linux> so do you have a lot of forum subscribers?
[23:48] <win_2_linux> yeah its independence day from you guys
[23:48] <win_2_linux> well the UK anyway lol
[23:49] <bobo123> I assume the real reason that microsoft sells so many different editions of windows, is that they are jealous of all the linux dists, right?
[23:49] <phillw> win_2_linux: http://forums.raidersmerciless.com/showthread.php?t=6296  last time I sent that, they said we could a few states back :p
[23:49] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:50] <win_2_linux> actually you can have all of us back, probably a lot easier under the queen and parliment than the mess we're in
[23:50] <zkriesse> bobo123: probably
[23:52] <win_2_linux> well they're trying to stifle the competition, like going after android, who uses linux but microsoft there is a line of code that is theirs, so they came up with a deal, instead of google doing and investigation and saying prove it, or show it,
[23:52] <stlsaint> duanedesign: ping
[23:54] <win_2_linux> so how would ms know there is a line of code, if they didn't take it apart or if they didn't take it apart and just seeing the similarities in their code and android's code  and saying MINE
[23:54] <phillw> one of the things I love about USA is the right to 'protest' that means KKK people at polling stations, what i am still laughing at is when my good friend, who is native american, marched up to them and told them to "go back home" :-D  --- after his tirade to them, they slunk off.
[23:55] <phillw> everyone else was laughing their heads off :-)
[23:55] <win_2_linux> the kkk doesn't know what they protest
[23:55] <win_2_linux> phillw you're off topic now, you're going to get yelled at by the ubuntu police
[23:56] <zkriesse> win_2_linux: ah phillw is ok
[23:56] <phillw> oops, hopefully they're all watching rockets being fired out of HRH Queen Elizabeths bottom at parties
[23:56] <zkriesse> welcome aganice
[23:56] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:57] <win_2_linux> zkriesse we were talking about that earlier when we made fun of being offtopic as in ugly win3 and cd burning
[23:57] <win_2_linux> lol
[23:57] <win_2_linux> so i just made fun of his kkk story about being offtopic
[23:58] <win_2_linux> yeah poor prince harry, decides to go as nazi to a halloween party and has to apologize , poor guy apologizes alot, comes here, and gets swamped by the press
[23:59] <win_2_linux> for their egos, i interviewed prince harry for my career, and everyone forgets anyway lol
[23:59] <win_2_linux> and all you have to do is go to a club in england and you'll be partying with prince harry