[02:33] <hansin> Does anyone know why you can not set the framebuffer in GRUB in Ubuntu and get the kernel messages (or for that matter to get it to boot to a CLI only system)?  I'm talking about adding VGA=775 to the kernel line.
[02:34] <hansin> It might just be on Gutsy.
[04:48] <hansin> Yep, it is a Gutsy thing.  Other are posting the same problem in the internet.
[04:48] <hansin> s/Others
[12:07] <stonehelm> couple of questions about PAM and per-user limits: on a default system the max number of open-file (per user) is 1024, is this defined in the kernel?
[12:08] <stonehelm> and how can I check the current number of open files for a user? is lsof |wc -l enough?
[05:33] <admin21ten> hello all
[05:39] <admin21ten> is this a user support or a developer channel?
[05:40] <Nafallo> both AFAIK
[05:40] <Nafallo> admin21ten: please read the topic :-)
[05:42] <admin21ten> I just installed ubuntu server and I am trying to setup a gateway which will take a wireless signal on ra0 and distribute it on eth0 to several APs which will hook to it on a switched network
[05:43] <admin21ten> with that context, I was wondering if anyone could provide me with information on packages that would make this easier to do
[05:43] <admin21ten> s/information/recomendations
[05:44] <admin21ten> I had previously installed IPCOP, but I was unable to set the wireless card up as the RED interface
[05:48] <admin21ten> ATAWolfpack: what up, fellow kcluger!
[05:49] <ATAWolfpack> Howdy!
[05:50] <admin21ten> ATAWolfpack: care to help me decide on some packages which will make managing my building's router/gateway a little easier?
[05:50] <admin21ten> ATAWolfpack: I tried IPCOP before but couldn't get it to let me use ra0 as RED interface
[05:51] <admin21ten> now I am on good ol' ubuntu, I have the wireless interface ra0 configured as my primary, and I am connected on it right now
[05:52] <admin21ten> ATAWolfpack: now I just need to figure out how to share this connection with eth0 and configure eth0 to be what my GREEN network would have been in IPCOP
[05:53] <ATAWolfpack> Hmm
[05:53] <ATAWolfpack> i don't know much about IPCOP.. i mostly use shorewall or firestarter
[05:53] <admin21ten> does shorewall have a gui?
[05:53] <admin21ten> I think that is what I want to use
[05:56] <ATAWolfpack1> bloody hell... the wireless here is REALLY messed up.
[05:57] <ATAWolfpack1> Shorewall doesn't have a GUI.  it's entirely command based.  it uses configuration files to build the iptables rules
[05:58] <admin21ten> hmm, I am worried that will be a little over my head and very much over the head of the person who manages this when the day comes for me to move out
[05:59] <admin21ten> I mean, it isn't really the firewall part that I am worried about, it is more about configuring the gateway
[05:59] <admin21ten> that is all I need to do to get this part of the project done
[06:00] <admin21ten> we will not be on the big, bad internet... we are simply taking the library's wifi signal and distributing that across our building
[06:01] <jbrouhard> Smoothwall is fairly straightforward.
[06:01] <jbrouhard> the configs are pretty much written in end-user language
[06:01] <admin21ten> cool
[06:01] <admin21ten> does it allow me to do what I want to do?
[06:01] <admin21ten> ie, dhcp and configure a gateway
[06:01] <jbrouhard> I think so
[06:01] <jbrouhard> Well, yeah
[06:01] <jbrouhard> DHCP is external
[06:02] <jbrouhard> if you want a howto, i have one
[06:02] <admin21ten> how to set up shorewall?!?
[06:02] <admin21ten> or DHCP?
[06:03] <admin21ten> the DHCP part I am less worried about it, I am thinking I might just have the WRT54GL's handle that at the AP level and give them static addresses
[06:04] <admin21ten> jbrouhard: what do you think of smoothwall?
[06:06] <peanutb> hmm. anyone know why lsb_release might be takeing up 99% of the CPU?
[06:07] <peanutb> im on a dapper VPS
[06:08] <peanutb> admin21ten, shorewall is great if you want a dedicated box as a DHCP server. What it lacks is easy expandibility
[06:09] <peanutb> its a bit of a waste of power
[06:09] <peanutb> i recomend something that can provide more features such a ebox ect
[06:13] <ATAWolfpack> doh
[06:15] <jbrouhard> admin21ten  sorry about that
[06:18] <jbrouhard> admin21ten How many computers are in question ?   you can use static IP for probably up a handful of computers
[06:18] <jbrouhard> but if you have a large # of computers (say more than a dozen) DHCP is really the best way to go
[06:24] <admin21ten> jbrouhard: sorry, was reading shorewall doc and I don't have this screen set up to tell me about alerts in other screens...
[06:25] <jbrouhard> NP
[06:25] <admin21ten> jbrouhard: there will be 7-8 AP's that I would address statically, then let them use dhcp to issue addresses
[06:25] <jbrouhard> I have a debian firewal how-to..
[06:25] <jbrouhard> includes DHCP, Shorewall, Cacheing DNS
[06:26] <admin21ten> donde?
[06:26] <jbrouhard> donde ?
[06:26] <jbrouhard> huh?
[06:26] <admin21ten> where?
[06:26] <admin21ten> heh
[06:26] <jbrouhard> LOL
[06:26] <jbrouhard> I'm planning to adapt and modify this for Ubuntu-Server, maybe include it as a SOHO option
[06:26] <jbrouhard> http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/
[06:26] <jbrouhard> and FYI, i really don't recommend linux as an AP
[06:27] <jbrouhard> :)
[06:27] <admin21ten> BSD?
[06:27] <jbrouhard> unless you're using a commercial AP.
[06:27] <jbrouhard> meh
[06:27] <jbrouhard> Never heard of much luck using anything other than hardware-based AP's.
[06:28] <admin21ten> really, so you think it is going to be tough to for me to set this up?
[06:28] <admin21ten> what I want to do seems simple to me
[06:29] <admin21ten> take ra0, share that over eth0 and let 7-8 wireless ap's connect to it
[06:29] <jbrouhard> hmm
[06:29] <jbrouhard> Maybe i'm not getting this
[06:29] <jbrouhard> ra0 is what?  your internet link ?
[06:29] <admin21ten> yes
[06:29] <jbrouhard> or wireless ?
[06:30] <admin21ten> ra0 is the wireless nic that will connect to the Downtown Library's wifi network
[06:30] <jbrouhard> I see.
[06:30] <admin21ten> (they are proponents of this btw)
[06:30] <jbrouhard> heh
[06:31] <admin21ten> so this box is responsible for connecting to that signal, then feeding the network we build in house
[06:32] <jbrouhard> hmm
[06:33] <jbrouhard> to keep it simple and not mess with your brain...
[06:33] <admin21ten> hah
[06:33] <jbrouhard> I'd set up a router/gateway on the box in question, and use your own IP address network.
[06:33] <jbrouhard> i'm presuming that's your opinion ?
[06:33] <admin21ten> yes
[06:33] <admin21ten> that is exactly what I want to do
[06:44] <jbrouhard> hmm
[06:44] <jbrouhard> the howto i sent you should do the trick just as easily.
[06:44] <jbrouhard> you should be able to modify the howto to work with *buntu, since it's based on debian
[07:03] <admin21ten> jbrouhard: quick question for you... if ifconfig doesn't show my eth0 card (I thought it did, and it is recognized in lspci) what do I need to do to get it to show up?
[07:05] <jbrouhard> check /etc/network/interfaces
[07:06] <jbrouhard> eth0 may not be set to "auto"
[07:13] <admin21ten> not listed
[07:13] <m11> hello
[07:13] <jbrouhard> not listed?
[07:13] <admin21ten> jbrouhard: not listed, do I just need to define the interface there?
[07:13] <jbrouhard> may have to manually add it then
[07:13] <jbrouhard> probably
[07:14] <admin21ten> jbrouhard: cool, no problem
[07:16] <jbrouhard> ok.. going home.  adios
[08:47] <admin21t1n> anyone in here have any experience with dchp3-server?
[08:49] <admin21t1n> I am trying to tell dhcp3-server to use eth0 as it's interface
[08:49] <admin21t1n> not sure where to specify with the ubuntu package
[10:51] <admin21t1n> I am trying to configure my home firewall/router/gateway and I am having trouble with things connected to it being able to do dns lookup
[10:51] <admin21t1n> can anyone help me?
[10:51] <mindframe-> what options would be wise when using cp for complete filesystem backup?
[10:51] <mindframe-> admin21t1n, have you specified a dns server in your dhcp server config?
[10:52] <admin21t1n> mindframe-: my dhcpd.conf contains the line 'option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>'
[10:52] <admin21t1n> mindframe-: my dhcpd.conf contains the line 'option domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;'
[10:53] <admin21t1n> which is the same box as the firewall, I am trying to use a dnscache
[10:54] <mindframe-> ah
[10:54] <admin21t1n> via dnsmasq
[10:54] <mindframe-> not familiar with configuring dnsmasq
[11:41] <admin21t1n> can someone help me figure out why dns look up isn't working?


[06:18] <bunty> HI i want a fully stable ubuntu distro for bbb any sugesstion's
[06:20] <bunty> I installed one from rcn-ee.net/dev/rootsf but it's dont have any dtb
[08:25] <superstep> Hello, I want to know how in QtCreatr/UbuntuSDK as you specify the path of qmake to use, i would use one compiled by me for ARMv7
[11:14] <bunty> anyone there who have installed ubuntu into his/her bbb permanently ??
[15:59] <jon1012> hi
[15:59] <jon1012> has someone worked on making ubuntu arm work on Raspberry Pi 2 ?
[16:39] <genii> I realize it's MIPS and not ARM, but has anyone tinkered yet with the Imagination MIPS Creator CI20 ?
[16:40] <genii> Specs are here: http://www.elinux.org/CI20_Hardware#Tech_Spec_overview


[01:11] <stub> Yeah, Citus really took off when they stopped being a fork and became an extension. I think they did a lot of the work in core to enable that to happen. They are now owned by Microsoft.
[15:58] <cjwatson> Could anyone review https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380391 for me, please?  This is the thing Software Heritage needs.
[15:58] <cjwatson> And I have a few smallish py3 branches too: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380137 https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380385 https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380386 https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380388
[18:43] <pappacena> I'll take a look on your reviews now, cjwatson
[18:44] <cjwatson> Thanks
[18:45] <cjwatson> pappacena: Did you notice my feedback on https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380252 BTW?  I didn't leave it as a formal vote so far, just a comment
[18:46] <cjwatson> pappacena: And I think several of your turnip MPs should be landable ...
[18:46] <pappacena> Right, I saw it, made the change on that branch and forgot to ping you back. I think both this MP and the one for copied_from_archive one (https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380382) can be reviewed already
[18:47] <pappacena> Ah, did we have a deploy for production of the Turnip dependencies branch?
[18:47] <cjwatson> Oh, so you did, OK
[18:47] <cjwatson> pappacena: you don't need a deployment for that
[18:47] <cjwatson> they just need to land on turnip-dependencies master first
[18:47] <cjwatson> you need (at least) a deployment before *removing* anything
[18:48] <pappacena> Sure, makes sense. I'll top-approve the MPs changing dependencies, then. Thanks!
[18:49] <cjwatson> pappacena: Do you have a matching DB patch MP somewhere for BPPH.creator and xPPH.copied_from_archive?
[18:49] <pappacena> Yes. Let me find it
[18:49] <cjwatson> Failed to find it in /launchpad-project/+activereviews but I might have missed it
[18:50] <cjwatson> I'm almost at EOD but these are top of my queue now
[18:50] <pappacena> https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/380254
[18:52] <cjwatson> Thanks.  Ah, I guess you had it as WIP
[18:52] <pappacena> Yes, I think so.
[18:52] <pappacena> My bad
[18:53] <cjwatson> No worries


[07:55] <llua> jrwren: i build my own
[07:57] <llua> systemd-nspawn(1) has examples on how to create chroot installs for various distros.
[19:27] <cmaloney> https://www.humblebundle.com/books/learn-you-some-python-no-starch-press-books?mc_cid=b822cd8611


[01:35] <aliasrush> anyone know how to make xubuntu firefox internet faster.... my other ubuntu installation on this comp is much faster
[01:35] <aliasrush> ??
[01:58] <aliasrush> is there a way to make links to files in xubuntu?
[02:09] <Merchelo> like symlinks?
[02:10] <aliasrush> is there anyway to make firefox any faster on xubuntu?
[02:11] <Merchelo> for loading pages, or loading itself/.
[02:11] <aliasrush> loading pages
[02:11] <aliasrush> it just seems really slow on xubuntu
[02:11] <aliasrush> not just seems... it is
[02:11] <Merchelo> there's a few plugins that will help you out, either that, or upgrade your connection
[02:12] <aliasrush> no I have a really fast connection.... when I boot into ubuntu or windows xp... they are both faster at loading
[02:14] <Merchelo> why not use them so?
[02:15] <aliasrush> well I want to learn and use xubuntu
[02:16] <Merchelo> well firefox is the same all round, you should get fasterfox for firefox plugin
[02:16] <aliasrush> ok
[02:18] <aliasrush> well I just found this page http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts and did what it said... all I have to say is amazingly fast
[02:18] <aliasrush> thanks for your help though
[02:18] <Merchelo> no problem ( i am drunk though)
[02:19] <aliasrush> I am just wanting to learn an experience ... haha lol; understood.... anyways I am curious as to why you use xubuntu?
[02:20] <Merchelo> my pc is slow with ubuntu, so i ran xubuntu, ran perfectly the way i wanted so i stuck with it
[02:22] <aliasrush> cool
[02:22] <aliasrush> older machine?
[02:22] <Jester46> !info eggdrop
[02:22] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1 (feisty), package size 461 kB, installed size 1132 kB
[02:23] <Merchelo> aliasrush: pentium 3 and 128 ram
[02:23] <Merchelo> and 8 cans of harp beer later
[02:27] <aliasrush> Merchalo: crazy no wonder you couldnt get ubuntu to work well
[02:27] <aliasrush> and you are at the min req for xubuntu!!
[02:28] <Merchelo> well ubuntu was slow after maybe 6 months, i decided to maybe go for something else, maybe gentoo, or source-mage, decided on xubuntu because i loved ubuntu so much
[02:28] <GrueTamer> Merchelo: i would recommend using just a window manager instead of xfce, to speed up performance even more, but thats just me
[02:29] <aliasrush> GrueTamer: what exactly do you mean.... how would he go about doing that?
[02:29] <Merchelo> GrueTamer: nah, since then i "aquired" more ram. so everything i need runs like gravy
[02:30] <GrueTamer> alright then
[02:30] <GrueTamer> aliasrush: something like sudo apt-get install icewm, or fluxbox
[02:30] <GrueTamer> or anything
[02:30] <Merchelo> dwm i hear is nice
[02:31] <aliasrush> oh I see... so xfce is not just a window environment??
[02:31] <Merchelo> there's a few tbh
[02:31] <aliasrush> I mean you are saying there is more to it?
[02:31] <GrueTamer> its a desktop environment
[02:31] <GrueTamer> it does icons and stuff, to be simple
[02:31] <GrueTamer> regular window managers dont do that alone
[02:33] <aliasrush> I see.... let me ask you this... would it be possible to run beryl with that if you wanted to?
[02:34] <GrueTamer> dont think so
[02:34] <Merchelo> if you wanted to run beryl you should use ubuntu, or even better, buy a mac
[02:34] <GrueTamer> window managers are speedy and lightweight
[02:34] <GrueTamer> Merchelo: xubuntu IS ubuntu
[02:34] <GrueTamer> with xfce instead of gnome
[02:34] <aliasrush> yes and so far has been great with beryl
[02:35] <aliasrush> I am just looking for a way to get it so its just beryl and kibadock that I am running....any ideas
[02:35] <Merchelo> GrueTamer: Sorry, i'm quite drunk here, since it
[02:35] <GrueTamer> haha
[02:36] <GrueTamer> i dont mind
[02:36] <GrueTamer> i get drunk myself too
[02:36] <GrueTamer> speaking of which, i might have a beer or two right now
[02:37] <aliasrush> hey... thats not fair I am not allowed to drink right now
[02:37] <Merchelo> i'm on my ninth, and irish beers come in 500ml cans
[02:37] <GrueTamer> oh wow
[02:37] <GrueTamer> you ARE drunk :)
[02:37] <Merchelo> thats 4.5 liters
[02:37] <aliasrush> irish... I am irish too... I should be drinking those beers
[02:38] <aliasrush> anyways, GrueTamer, you got any ideas on running just beryl and kiba-dock??
[02:38] <GrueTamer> nope, sorry
[02:38] <GrueTamer> what is kibadock, anyway?
[02:38] <Merchelo> !info kibadock
[02:38] <ubotu> Package kibadock does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:38] <Merchelo> uh oh
[02:39] <GrueTamer> !info kiba-dock
[02:39] <aliasrush> its a 3d desktop dock
[02:39] <GrueTamer> hmm
[02:39] <ubotu> Package kiba-dock does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:39] <GrueTamer> lol, bot lag :)
[02:39] <GrueTamer> um...no, i dont know how to do that
[02:39] <Merchelo> aliasrush: best ask in ubuntu-effects
[02:39] <aliasrush> sorta like macs app launcher on steroids
[02:39] <GrueTamer> ohh...NOW i remember what it is
[02:39] <aliasrush> yeah... good idea
[02:40] <GrueTamer> aliasrush: just remember that youre talkin to GrueTamer, the man who hates bloat and embraces running simply and using the CLI extensively
[02:42] <aliasrush> ahh... I see... do you use xubuntu?
[02:42] <aliasrush> and if so, do you use xfce packaged with it?
[02:43] <Merchelo> hey aliasrush, why did you install xubuntu?
[02:43] <GrueTamer> i dont use xubuntu myself, although ive tried to make it work with my old machine
[02:43] <GrueTamer> but i do have xfce installed here
[02:44] <GrueTamer> but a lot of the questions in here, i can still answer
[02:45] <aliasrush> ahh... I see... I admire your desire to help out the community
[02:45] <aliasrush> I am like-minded but dont have a wealth of knowledge to give.... but I try to give what I can
[02:45] <GrueTamer> wow, thank you
[02:45] <GrueTamer> im really not all that smart
[02:46] <GrueTamer> i ask my superiors questions all the time, but i get tired of their constant "rtfm" comments
[02:46] <aliasrush> rtfm??
[02:46] <GrueTamer> read the freakin manual
[02:46] <aliasrush> haha
[02:46] <aliasrush> alright... didnt read that manual
[02:46] <GrueTamer> i dont think that its a way to help someone, its just lazy
[02:47] <aliasrush> yes indeed
[02:47] <Merchelo> man <command>
[02:47] <aliasrush> and I have little respect for people like that
[02:47] <GrueTamer> that isnt to say that i DONT read manuals, which i do
[02:47] <GrueTamer> i do my homework, but sometimes, the documentation is just bad
[02:47] <aliasrush> understood
[02:47] <aliasrush> yes I completely agree
[02:47] <Merchelo> maybe because it's open source documentation
[02:48] <GrueTamer> freebsd documentation is IMO the best in the world, ubuntu is still good though
[02:48] <Merchelo> and done by people either in a rush, or who care about open source
[02:49] <aliasrush> that is true
[02:49] <GrueTamer> my particular window manager has pretty horrible documentation, IMO
[02:49] <GrueTamer> (wmii)
[02:49] <GrueTamer> but ubuntu, wow, great documentation, and great forums
[02:49] <aliasrush> hmm... never heard of that
[02:49] <GrueTamer> not many people have
[02:49] <aliasrush> yes... I like the ubuntu community
[02:50] <GrueTamer> userbase is pretty small, functionality is not like anything in gnome or kde
[02:51] <GrueTamer> dwm is even more hardcore, you change settings by modifying source code, and this is the only way to do it
[02:51] <aliasrush> crazy
[02:51] <GrueTamer> but its REALLY lightweight and efficient
[02:52] <GrueTamer> but i have to spend time with it if i want to get it
[02:52] <aliasrush> but I am sure if you are using it.... it is for something very specific and after you have it configure you would not have to recompile again
[02:52] <GrueTamer> people like it because its really good, just different
[02:53] <GrueTamer> wmii is the big brother of dwm, btw
[02:53] <aliasrush> ok... see I enjoy learning this kinda stuff
[02:53] <GrueTamer> i still think that fluxbox is the best window manager if you dont want to jump to wmii or dwm just yet, or if you dont want to at all
[02:53] <GrueTamer> icewm is good too
[02:54] <aliasrush> I have been on and off with linux since '00 and have not used it much until recently...now I am trying to get into the swing of things
[02:54] <GrueTamer> itll take time
[02:54] <GrueTamer> it took me till this year to stop breaking things
[02:54] <GrueTamer> and i started using it like, seriously last year, in july
[02:55] <GrueTamer> before that, i had touched slackware one time, using it for like, an hour, thats it
[02:55] <aliasrush> yeah... well with the crazy and unstable things I like doing with my hardly supported hard ware I am bound to continue to break things
[02:55] <GrueTamer> but when i did start, i started with gentoo, and that really made my head spin, i did NOT know how to use it well when i started
[02:56] <GrueTamer> i can do it now, but i dont like portage, or the third party package managers
[02:56] <aliasrush> yeah gentoo seems to be its own beast
[02:56] <GrueTamer> its not bad, dont get me wrong, but compiling source for a small increase in speed isnt my thing
[02:56] <Merchelo> GrueTamer: when using xubuntu you should use synaptic (GUI) or aptitude (CLI)
[02:57] <GrueTamer> you think i dont know that? :)
[02:57] <GrueTamer> were talkin bout a whole different distro right now, gentoo
[02:57] <GrueTamer> and why doesnt anybody talk about the CLI synaptic-ish thing?
[02:57] <Merchelo> well this is the fist time i've seen you in here in all fairness
[02:57] <GrueTamer> thats fair
[02:58] <GrueTamer> actually, heres a question...who here already knew that there was a cli menu based front end to apt?
[02:58] <aliasrush> me
[02:58] <GrueTamer> i myself found it by accident
[02:59] <GrueTamer> its nice for that kind of stuff
[02:59] <aliasrush> yes it definitely is
[02:59] <curiogeo> looking for a little advice
[02:59] <aliasrush> for instance all the crazy stuff where you have to custom reps and keys
[02:59] <curiogeo> I have a file server to mount
[03:00] <curiogeo> it will support a small biz
[03:00] <aliasrush> yes a problem... and its not mine
[03:00] <curiogeo> I wanted to run it on the latest version of xub
[03:00] <curiogeo> 7.04
[03:00] <aliasrush> how old is the machine?
[03:00] <GrueTamer> you want to host a file server with xubuntu?
[03:01] <curiogeo> is it advisable to do so or should I think about using the 6.06 long term suport veersion
[03:01] <curiogeo> pretty new
[03:01] <curiogeo> Dell opti
[03:01] <curiogeo> 1 gb of Ram
[03:01] <curiogeo> P3 or P4
[03:02] <GrueTamer> uh...either would work, i think
[03:02] <curiogeo> I have a choice
[03:02] <GrueTamer> but for your situation, id suggest 6.06
[03:02] <curiogeo> can I ask why
[03:02] <GrueTamer> for the long term support
[03:03] <GrueTamer> and i dont see anything in 7.04 thats crucial to what youre doing and isnt in 6.06, but i could be wrong
[03:03] <curiogeo> I will be running Samba as a PDC
[03:04] <Merchelo> curiogeo: install xubuntu from the alternative CD more support for file sharing
[03:04] <GrueTamer> 6.06 is stable, i am very sure that its stabler than 7.04, thats also important
[03:05] <curiogeo> and in terms of support where does the support come from
[03:05] <GrueTamer> uh...canonical? *takes a guess*
[03:05] <curiogeo> thanks merchelo is that also avail on the site
[03:05] <Merchelo> yeah, xubuntu.org, i386 or whatever-alt
[03:06] <curiogeo> so another beginner question
[03:06] <curiogeo> if i use 6.06 won't apt-get dist upgrade bring it in line with 7.04
[03:07] <GrueTamer> no
[03:07] <curiogeo> ok
[03:07] <GrueTamer> 6.06 cant directly upgrade to 7.04
[03:07] <GrueTamer> it can go to 6.10, but you have to have 6.10 to upgrade any further
[03:07] <curiogeo> and i guess I need to be pretty careful of my source for apps
[03:08] <curiogeo> 6.10 is another less stble version is it not
[03:09] <GrueTamer> i used 6.10 for a long time, it was stable
[03:09] <curiogeo> I am reckless too that is why I am asking for some help here
[03:09] <GrueTamer> but for your situation, id still use 6.06
[03:09] <curiogeo> fair advice
[03:09] <Merchelo> curiogeo: apt-get dist-upgradr will bring you to 7.10, but use aptitude install <etc> intead, it's a lot nicer
[03:10] <GrueTamer> the aptitude vs apt-get thing that makes aptitude superior was eliminated in 6.10, mind you, but in 6.06, it remains
[03:10] <GrueTamer> hold on, ive got some details on it
[03:10] <GrueTamer> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[03:12] <curiogeo> Merchelo: if I get you right there is no protectin in the aptitude or apt-get against upgrading to a less stable version
[03:12] <Merchelo> all i know, one of the xubuntu devs told me to use aptitude so i do
[03:12] <curiogeo> if I am using 6.06
[03:13] <curiogeo> GrueTamer: I had read this article and have made the switch to aptitude
[03:13] <GrueTamer> dont forget, it only really applies to 6.06 and earlier
[03:13] <curiogeo> it seems it picks up all the dependant files on its own
[03:14] <GrueTamer> i run apt-get myself, i can type it faster, and i know how to use autoremove :)
[03:14] <curiogeo> now i have a millon dollar question
[03:15] <GrueTamer> ive only got 500 thousand, sorry :)
[03:15] <curiogeo> I started running 6.10 with Samba and now apt does not run it seems dpkg is corrupt
[03:16] <GrueTamer> i have no idea
[03:16] <curiogeo> how do I debug hardware to ensure i do not have a ram issue or a bad disk
[03:18] <curiogeo> no problem you have already earned your 500K
[03:18] <Merchelo> I BID THEE ADIEU
[03:18] <Merchelo> r Bonnuit
[03:23] <TheSheep> curiogeo: at boot press 'esc' and select memtest from the menu
[03:23] <TheSheep> curiogeo: livecd has it on the menu too
[03:27] <curiogeo> thanks
[03:27] <curiogeo> I will trybit
[03:36] <curiogeo> TheSheep: Anyway to do it remotely
[03:37] <curiogeo> I am not on site and I was hoping to run it now
[03:42] <jgamio> I haven't solve this issue I want to remove from my desktop a disk icon somebody know how can i do this?
[03:42] <Jester45> would anyone like to help me trobleshoot my mpd? i cant get mpc to play a song and im pretty sure i made the database
[04:08] <homebrewcider> hey there, what am I doing wrong? if I set the clock in Xubuntu to the right time, it screws up the time on Windos and vice versa. the timezones are correct in both
[04:08] <Jester45> its umm
[04:08] <TheSheep> curiogeo: no
[04:08] <Jester45> UTC i think
[04:08] <Jester45> !UTC
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <Pumpernickel> Windows assumes the clock is local time; Ubuntu assumes UTC.
[04:09] <Jester45> homebrewcider: its a setting that some OSs use and some dont xubuntu asked you about it in the installation
[04:09] <Pumpernickel> By clock, I should emphasize that that's the hardware clock.
[04:09] <Jester45> hehe i was right
[04:09] <homebrewcider> hmm, okay , how do I fix it please?
[04:10] <Jester45> that i do not know
[04:10] <Pumpernickel> Specify, in one or the other OS, the use of UTC so that they match.
[04:13] <homebrewcider> ok I'll look into that
[04:13] <homebrewcider> cheers
[04:15] <homebrewcider> all fixed, here's what I did "periodically synchronize clock  with internet servers" which required me to install NTP support, once I did that, all sweet
[04:16] <BFTD> does i915 work with the 845GL cards?
[04:16] <BFTD> intel that is
[04:24] <jjesse> how do i set my xubuntu install to not start xfce when it boots?
[04:24] <jjesse> so it owuld boot into just the console/terminal?
[04:26] <crimsun> jjesse: sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm /etc/rc2.d/K13gdm
[04:26] <BFTD> something with the .xsessions file
[04:26] <jjesse> thanks crimsun
[04:27] <BFTD> I guess not
[04:30] <jjesse> then just  a startx to launch normal or is it a different command?
[04:30] <GrueTamer> startx should start x
[04:31] <jjesse> i didn't know if there was a startxfce or something like that i needed to do
[04:31] <GrueTamer> thats why were all here, i guess
[05:00] <BFTD> how do I tell what driver my graphics card is using?
[05:00] <Jester45> by looking  in xorg.conf
[05:11] <kalikiana> I have a strange problem: Since I updated gtk (from source) to the latest version the system freezes more or les randomly, for example when clicking a button or raising a window. I tried to download and reinstall the gtk packages from packages.ubuntu.com but it didn't fix it so far. :/
[05:13] <Pumpernickel> Stable version, or development branch?
[05:15] <kalikiana> Pumpernickel, The recent stable version, with the new tango icons.
[05:16] <Pumpernickel> Did you use checkinstall?
[05:16] <mmm7> Hi all.
[05:16] <BFTD> I'm pinging this comp via my lappy, and I get "Destination Host Unreachable"
[05:16] <kalikiana> Pumpernickel, Nope, actually I forgot to use it. :/
[05:16] <BFTD> how do I diagnose this?
[05:16] <mmm7> I can't seem to pipe the output of gnuplot to /dev/null with gnuplot file.gnu &> /dev/null
[05:16] <mmm7> shouldn't this work?
[05:16] <Pumpernickel> kalikiana: Better off without it.
[05:17] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: Traceroute.
[05:17] <kalikiana> Pumpernickel, You think so? Hm. Any idea how to find the problem?
[05:17] <Pumpernickel> kalikiana: Not yet, I was just thinking of possible causes.
[05:18] <kalikiana> Ok. I even tried an older kernel. But no difference.
[05:19] <Pumpernickel> Which version was it?
[05:19] <Pumpernickel> GTK's version, I mean, not the kernel's.
[05:22] <kalikiana> Pumpernickel, Gtk was 2.11 and glib 2.13.
[05:22] <Pumpernickel> mmm7: It should - where is it sending the output?
[05:25] <Pumpernickel> kalikiana: Interesting - I've had occasional complete freezes on an Arch box with 2.12.12 and 2.10.12 for glib and gtk, but hadn't gotten around to tracing them.
[05:25] <homebrewcider> hi, how can I update k3b and just k3b?
[05:25] <homebrewcider> please
[05:26] <kalikiana> homebrewcider, sudo apt-get k3b
[05:26] <homebrewcider> already have it, need to upgrade to newest version, that's still the command I use?
[05:26] <mmm7> pumpernickel: beats me :)
[05:26] <mmm7> but error still get displayed on the term
[05:26] <mmm7> and I don't want that
[05:27] <kalikiana> homebrewcider, Should be sudo apt-get install k3b of course. And yes, it checks for the new version.
[05:27] <homebrewcider> hmm, says already the newest version
[05:28] <kalikiana> homebrewcider, Do sudo apt-get upgrade to update the packages.
[05:28] <homebrewcider> ok
[05:28] <homebrewcider> cheers, doing that now
[05:29] <kalikiana> That will of course depend on a more recent package being available in one of your repos. ;)
[05:29] <Pumpernickel> mmm7: Does gnuplut file.gnu > /dev/null 2>&1 work any better?
[05:30] <homebrewcider> cheers
[05:30] <Jester45> vidd_laptop: you got banged :0
[05:34] <mmm7> no...
[05:34] <mmm7> this code used to work on my old gentoo computer...
[05:42] <mmm7> i lied it seems to work now
[05:44] <mmm7> Thanks Pumpernickel!
[05:44] <Pumpernickel> No problem. o_o
[05:48] <curiogeo> having a hostname trouble
[05:49] <curiogeo> I have updated my hosts file to the FQDN but when I do the hostname command I only see the server1
[05:49] <curiogeo> I am expecting to see server1.example.com
[05:49] <curiogeo> what have I done wrong
[05:53] <curiogeo> for example
[05:53] <curiogeo> hostname = server1
[05:53] <curiogeo> hostname -f = server1.example.com
[05:58] <aabrahao>  I just remove apache, any recomendation for a fresh installation?
[06:00] <TheSheep> aabrahao: lighttpd?
s instead of apache?
[06:33] <aabrahao> how can I remove files and directory via gnome?
[06:34] <vidd_laptop> open the file manager program[what ever it is in gnome]  and delete
 the system says that I dont have permission to that
[06:35] <vidd_laptop> then hit [alt] [f2]  and type sudo [app name]
[06:36] <vidd_laptop> then you are in root
[06:36] <TheSheep> nautilus
[06:36] <TheSheep> the app name
[06:36] <vidd_laptop> BE CAREFULL NOT TO DELETE IMPORTANT FILES
[06:36] <Jester45> vidd should use gksu if its a gui app
  I just user root in console, not in gnome, Im trying to remove apache and apache2 directory
[06:37] <Pumpernickel> Better yet, don't launch a file manager as root from a user environment.
[06:37] <vidd_laptop> 6 of one/half dozen the other
[06:37] <Pumpernickel> It's a horrible munging of security.
[06:37] <Pumpernickel> *context
[06:37] <Jester45> Pumpernickel: somepeople dont like to log out
[06:37] <vidd_laptop> Pumpernickel, he asked how to do it in gnome...not in CLI
[06:38] <Jester45> you can havbe root gui enviroment
[06:38] <vidd_laptop> oh yeah....THATS securure!
[06:38] <Pumpernickel> You can.  Having a root file manager running in a user environment still isn't good practice.
[06:38] <vidd_laptop> aabrahao, a better thing to do is to use CLI
[06:39] <Jester45> im just saying that you could
[06:39] <vidd_laptop> the command is sudo rm /path/to/file
[06:39] <Jester45> vidd think we could make a bot net?
[06:39] <aabrahao> is there a command in console that I can remove all directory, sub directory and folders?
[06:40] <vidd_laptop> and for directories: sudo rm -rf /path/to/top/directory
[06:40] <vidd_laptop> hence...if you type sudo rm -rf / you will wipe your entire system
[06:41] <vidd_laptop> aabrahao, USE WITH CARE
[06:41] <vidd_laptop> aabrahao, rm is PERMENANT
[06:41] <Pumpernickel> Use more caps.
 thanks
 now ill install the apache, is the best way use sudo or synaptic?
[06:43] <vidd_laptop> Pumpernickel, dont want him back saying his drive got wiped cuzz he didnt see the warning
[06:43] <vidd_laptop> =]
[06:43] <vidd_laptop> aabrahao, i prefer the CLI now....but i used to be afraid of it.....
[06:43] <vidd_laptop> use what you are comfortable with
 what is cli?
[06:44] <Jester45> commandline
[06:44] <vidd_laptop> cli = Command Line Interface......it is the terminal
[06:45] <Jester45> Text base stuff
[06:45] <aabrahao> ok
[06:45] <aabrahao> do you know how to setup virtual hosts in apache?
[06:45] <vidd_laptop> infact i have a server boxhere that has no keyboard, mouse or moniter....
[06:46] <vidd_laptop> a little
[06:47] <Jester45> you can remove them now vidd i dont i need them
[06:47] <vidd_laptop> aabrahao, what do you want to know
[06:49] <aabrahao> When was installed apache and apach2 I configured dafault files and did not work
[06:49] <vidd_laptop> did you set the config file to listen to port 80?
 the server was listening one site, default, but the second one does not work
[06:51] <vidd_laptop> is your server @ home?
[06:51] <aabrahao> yes
[06:52] <vidd_laptop> what are you using for domain names?
[06:52] <aabrahao> in cli how can I remove all apache and apach2 configuration?
[06:52] <vidd_laptop> you dont want to do that
[06:52] <aabrahao> why?
[06:53] <vidd_laptop> cuzz then you have to go and re-set them up
[06:53] <vidd_laptop> and i wont be able to check your setup
[06:53] <vidd_laptop> what is your first domain name?
[06:54] <aabrahao> but now when I try to start appears that cound not open document config file /etc/apache/modyles.conf and does not start
[06:54] <vidd_laptop> and what port is it listening to?
[06:54] <aabrahao> 80 batatariapaulista.com.br
[06:55] <aabrahao> if I reinstall apache the error in modeule.conf will desappears, dont?
[06:55] <vidd_laptop> if the file is just gone...most likely
[06:56] <Jester45> anyone have a good basic ruby learning guide
[06:56] <aabrahao> so how uninstall and reinstall?
[06:56] <vidd_laptop> if you use synaptic there is a "reinstall" option
[06:57] <aabrahao> and in cli?
[06:57] <Jester45> in cli you remove then install
[06:58] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get remove {application} && sudo apt-get autoremove [if you are using 6.10 or later]  && sudo install [application]
[07:00] <vidd_laptop> aabrahao, i need to go to bed
[07:01] <vidd_laptop> these nice ppl will be able to assist you further...if ya need it
 thanks
[07:01] <aabrahao> anyone can helpme?
[07:02] <Jester45> what ya need
[07:03] <aabrahao> install and conf apache for a virtual hosts
[07:03] <Jester45> i can help install but i dont know how config
[07:04] <Jester45> are you wanting apache or apache2
[07:04] <aabrahao> but now when I try to start appears that cound not open document config file /etc/apache/modyles.conf and does not start
[07:04] <vidd> Jester45, get the info from my config files on my download site
[07:05] <vidd> im out
[07:05] <Jester45> k
[07:05] <Jester45> does he have your conf?
[07:06] <aabrahao> I just reinstall the apache and and erro apperas with httpd.conf
[07:07] <Jester45> what are the errors, if there is a lot use pastebin
[07:07] <Jester45> !pastebin
[07:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:07] <aabrahao> apache: could not open document  config file /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[07:09] <Jester45> check the ownership, thats about the only thing i sugest
[07:09] <Jester45> you can try in #ubuntu because this is not xfce related and they have more people that know more
[07:10] <aabrahao> ok, and do you have any idea where to condigure virtual hosts?
[07:10] <Jester45> nope
[07:13] <sigmamu188> im trying to set up my media library so that i can access from anywhere on the network and view it streaming
[07:13] <aabrahao> thanks
[07:13] <sigmamu188> it movies and music
[07:13] <sigmamu188> any suggestions
[07:13] <Jester45> sigmamu188: you could use http or ftp
[07:13] <sigmamu188> i can access it with my ftp
[07:14] <sigmamu188> but in order to watch i have to download then play
[07:14] <sigmamu188> i want to be able to stream
[07:14] <Jester45> or shoutcast (or its opensource counterparts)
[07:14] <sigmamu188> i tried vlc but it only streams on at a time
[07:14] <sigmamu188> shoutcast?
[07:14] <sigmamu188> !shoutcast
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shoutcast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:15] <Jester45> it might be only windows there is...
[07:15] <Jester45> !icecase
[07:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecase - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:15] <Jester45> !icecast
[07:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <BFTD> hrn
[08:38] <BFTD> nice
[08:56] <BFTD> I need some way to detect the battery life of my laptop, is there a recommended sensor I should use?
[09:00] <j1mc> BFTD, the xfce4-panel battery life plugin doesn't work?
[09:01] <BFTD> well
[09:01] <BFTD> I don't see it
[09:01] <j1mc> BFTD, you just have to add it.
[09:02] <j1mc> go up to the top panel, right-click, and select "add to panel' (or something similar) :)
[09:02] <j1mc> a battery life plugin should be there.
[09:02] <BFTD> I got it
[09:02] <BFTD> thanks
[09:03] <j1mc> :)  yw
[09:13] <bobslaede> hey everybody
[09:13] <bobslaede> in xfce, the .desktop launcher files, where are they located in one users account?
[09:14] <j1mc> hi bob, i would help, but i'm just on my debian / gnome computer right now.
[09:14] <j1mc> is there a folder in your home directory called .config?
[09:15] <j1mc> maybe in there?
[09:15] <grazie> bobslaede: ~/.local/share/applications
[09:16] <j1mc> grazie to the rescue...
[09:16] <grazie> ;)
[09:17] <bobslaede> j1mc
[09:17] <bobslaede> the folders there
[09:17] <j1mc> bobslaede: check out what grazie wrote.
[09:18] <bobslaede> grazie: hmm... desktop icons?
[09:18] <bobslaede> i'm used to gnome, switched over two days ago :p
[09:18] <grazie> bobslaede: no, .desktop files (like you said)
[09:19] <bobslaede> grazie: theres yeah, thats what i ment to, but theres no application folder
[09:19] <bobslaede> ah
[09:19] <bobslaede> its there :)
[09:19] <bobslaede> was looking at the wrong user
[09:19] <bobslaede> thanks
[09:21] <bobslaede> are those just regular .desktop files?
[09:21] <bobslaede> grazie: so i would be able to just take any .desktop file, from lets say gnome, and put there?
[09:22] <grazie> bobslaede: yes, it's a standard format
[09:23] <bobslaede> thanks
[09:26] <grazie> np
[09:29] <bobslaede> grazie: can you tell me where the launchers from the panels are located? or the panel config or something
[09:30] <grazie> bobslaede: not without checking...I'll be away from the keyboard for a while now
[09:30] <bobslaede> not important
[09:30] <bobslaede> thanks
[09:35] <rothchild> good morning, can someone tell me how to take the icons off the desktop in xfce?
[09:37] <bobslaede> ah :) i just learned!
[09:37] <bobslaede> rothchild: < grazie> bobslaede: ~/.local/share/applications
[09:40] <rothchild> bobslaede I can only see kde related stuff (I'n normally a kubuntu user but am trying out xfce)
[09:41] <bobslaede> rothchild: i just switched from gnome :)
[09:41] <bobslaede> so i don't know that much yet
[09:42] <rothchild> lol fair enough, I gotta go work now so I'll try again later thanks though bobslaede
[09:43] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:43] <MaxFrames> I wanted to install bitchx, so I "sudo apt-get install bitchx"...
[09:44] <MaxFrames> install went fine. the problem is: where is the executable now? and why weren't the xfce shortcuts created?
[09:53] <BFTD> is there some way to make my laptop to go into to power save mode when the lide closes?
[09:53] <BFTD> or make the screen go black?
[10:16] <MaxFrames> how do I configure xchat to never use port 6667, and use 6669 instead?
[10:19] <rjack> I want to switch from the "it" keyboard layout to the "us" one when I write code. All goes fine except that the key " " does not switch to "\ |". I followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66115 and the keyboard section of my xorg.conf is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23554/
[10:43] <BFTD> hrm
[10:43] <BFTD> somethings wrong with my wireless again
[10:43] <BFTD> hrm
[10:43] <BFTD> it won't connect to my router
[11:25] <St> Need help
[11:27] <Myrtti> !help
[11:27] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:27] <Myrtti> !anyone
[11:27] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:28] <SomeKindOfMonste> I need a detailed guide on installing xubuntu 7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[11:28] <SomeKindOfMonste> So I won't have any problems
[11:29] <SomeKindOfMonste> Anyone?
[11:33] <Myrtti> so you basically want somebody to hold your hand while doing it?
[11:36] <emdash> w/in 5
[11:36] <emdash> gar
[11:44] <SomeKindOfMonste> zz
[12:13] <TehRealNexGen> you dont need a guide
[12:13] <TehRealNexGen> boot the cd, follow the instructions
[12:13] <Merchelo> he's gone
[12:13] <TehRealNexGen> ok lol
[03:46] <aabrahao> How can I configure vhosts in apache?
[03:47] <Merchelo> eh, you may be better off asking in #apache ?
[03:49] <aabrahao> nope
[04:59] <iv1> hi, I'm running xubuntu feisty... can anyone help me with gtk-gnutella? I've the most recent version but it always seems "to be behind a firewall".
[05:00] <grazie> iv1: Can you eleborate ... do you have a firewall? Are any ports open?
[05:34] <amacid> hi, I've a Linutop computer. It comes with Xubuntu and boot from an USB pendrive
[05:35] <amacid> when I try to install something from Synaptic, the changes don't stay in the next boot
[05:36] <amacid> do you know the solution to this problem?
[05:41] <pleia2> amacid: that is a linutop specific question, not really anything to do with normal xubuntu
[05:41] <pleia2> you'll have to ask the linutop people
[05:43] <maxamillion> amacid: you own a linutop!?!?!
[05:45] <iv1> grazie: i've firestarter and opened the port 6346
[05:46] <amacid> I've asked linutop people but there is not answer. So I try here
[05:46] <amacid> maxamillion: yes, I use at work as a nxclient
[05:47] <amacid> maxamillion: really is a little and without noise machine
[05:48] <grazie> iv1: I've never used firestarter, but have you configured that to use port 6346 too?
[05:48] <grazie> amacid: maxamillion is offline right now
[05:48] <BFTD> On my laptop, when it boots into xubuntu, I see the cursor then the system crashes, nothing moves, nothing responds
[05:48] <BFTD> which log should I view?
[05:51] <BFTD> !desktop-effects
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktop-effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:58] <Ramla> Say, what should I use for backuping my system partition? Partition cloning would be ok too, but it'd be nice if the output could be compressed
[06:14] <iv1> grazie: the firestarter can't be the problem, because it's not active at the moment :( any other ideas?
[06:15] <TheSheep> iv1: firestarter is just a controller for the firewall, linux has firewall build in and always active
[06:20] <grazie> iv1: so use firestarter to open the port to match that used by gtk-gnutella
[06:25] <BFTD> !info desktop-effects
[06:25] <ubotu> desktop-effects: preferences applet for configuring desktop effects. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 544 kB
[06:25] <iv1> grazie: I've opened 6346 which is (according to the FAQ) the gnutella port
[06:28] <grazie> iv1: Have you checked in gtk-gnutella? File > Preferences ....
[06:31] <iv1> grazie: kind of strange, I've just tried to download the song ACDC TNT because it certainly doesn't lack of sources... and it worked fine... nevertheless, gtk-gnutella claims to be behind a firewall
[07:05] <mandani> can I run 2 hostnames on the same server
[07:05] <mandani> interface one in one domain and interface 2 in another
[07:08] <mandani> example <IP_ADDRESS> server.ex.com on eth0
[07:08] <mandani> and serv.example.com on eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:21] <feliciano> hi... I need some app to post from xubuntu to wordpress.com
[07:21] <feliciano> do you know any?
[07:34] <iv1> does anyone know how to install printers (at university) which I have to access via servers? (i'm using feisty xubuntu)
[07:35] <hyper__ch> iv1: applications --> settings --> printing
[07:36] <iv1> thank you. and what is CUPS server meant to be?
[07:37] <hyper__ch> !cups | iv1
[07:37] <ubotu> iv1: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:26] <canas> hola
[08:26] <canas> anybody there
[08:27] <canas> repo of xubu are the same for ubu?
[08:29] <grazie> canas: yes
[08:31] <canas> anybody italian ??
[08:32] <hyper__ch> !it | canas
[08:32] <ubotu> canas: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:34] <canas> tnx tedescone
[08:34] <canas> swiss
[08:35] <canas> why not to create #xubuntu-it
[08:35] <canas> :D
[09:32] <TheoMurpse> My fans won't come on while running Xubuntu, but when I boot XP, they work. Also, they worked under Gentoo. How can I go about fixing this?
[09:33] <Ramla> You have a laptop?
[09:34] <aliasrush> hmmm.... software driven fans?
[09:35] <TheoMurpse> Ramla, yes, I have a laptop.
[09:35] <TheoMurpse> aliasrush, I have no idea if they're software run. The BIOS has a lot of fan settings. It's just always worked before, but I just installed Xubuntu, and the fans never come on.
[09:36] <TheoMurpse> I've never run fan-controlling software in XP before.
[09:36] <TheoMurpse> I'm about to recompile my kernel and try to get it working, but I'd love not having to do that, since I've finally got everything else working for the first time in 2 years of trying [X] ubuntu.
[09:38] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse: why use a custom kernel?
[09:38] <TheoMurpse> hyper_ch, because the fans won't work. I don't know what else to do, since I am not about to install another Linux only to find something doesn't work again. I'm at my wits end, and don't know what I can do to get my fans working in Xubuntu.
[09:39] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse: did you search ubuntuforums.org ?
[09:39] <hyper_ch> does it work with ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:39] <aliasrush> sorry... I have never heard of this before
[09:39] <hyper_ch> are you using eisty?
[09:39] <hyper_ch> feisty or edgy or dapper or breezy?
[09:40] <TheoMurpse1> Yup, there it went. My laptop just shut off from overheating since the fans won't come on.
[09:41] <hyper_ch> does it work with ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:41] <hyper_ch> feisty or edgy or dapper or breezy?
[09:46] <BFTD> hi, when I turn on my lappy, and after it boots xubuntu I see the cursor just before the log in screen then the screen goes black and the computer freezes
[09:47] <hyper_ch> BFTD: does it happen since the kernel update?
[09:47] <BFTD> I never updated the kernel
[09:48] <hyper_ch> ok
[09:48] <hyper_ch> then I don't know
[09:50] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: I feel confident it has worked in a previous Ubuntu, but the current Ubuntu liveCD doesn't boot on my laptop, and I don't want to keep burning copies to try over and over again to see if it's a burn error. I'm running Xubuntu feisty. Presumably it'd work in Ubuntu since aren't Ubuntu and Xubuntu the same kernel, just different window managers (or whatever you call xfce and gnome).
[09:51] <TheoMurpse1> I just installed Xubuntu less than a week ago.
[09:51] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: well, desktop cd is always problematic.... for isntallation I use the alternate one... and you should buy some cd-rws :) so you don't burn'n'waste them
[09:52] <TheoMurpse1> I've run it very little (until I got wireless working finally). However, since wireless has been working, I've begun to try and run it exclusively, but it crashes. Also, hyper_ch: I'm definitely not going to install Ubuntu. I spent a year and a half trying to get wireless working, and it never did. I've given up on Ubuntu.
[09:52] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: what wifi card?
[09:53] <TheoMurpse1> it's on my motherboard, a ralink. I use the rt2500 driver.
[09:53] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: that should work out of the box
[09:53] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1:
[09:53] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:/media/hda1/ktorrent/temp$ lspci | grep Ra
[09:53] <hyper_ch> 00:0a.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
[09:54] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: what would happen, since the driver would load in Ubuntu, is that dhclient ra0 would never, ever get an IP. EVER. And when I did static IP, it still couldn't even ping the router. Whatever the problem was, 1 and a half years of support on Ubuntuforums and #ubuntu failed to provide any positive results.
[09:54] <hyper_ch> mine works out of the box
[09:54] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: yeah, and mine worked on the liveCD. However, upon installation to the hard drive, it would never work again.
[09:55] <TheoMurpse1> I tried three versions of Ubuntu, too, feisty, dapper, and breezy. Were there never E or C distributions?
[09:55] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: well, do you have an ethernet port and wifi card?
[09:55] <emdash> i've recently installed xubuntu 7.04 on two different computers, a desktop and a laptop. on my laptop, which I installed first, I don't get progress dialogs while copying files from one location to another. I kinda want those back =)
[09:55] <emdash> is there a setting for that
[09:55] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: those are just codenames... the official naming is like 7.04 or 6.10
[09:56] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: which means as much as 7 (year: 2007) and 04 (month: April) as release date
[09:56] <hyper_ch> emdash: dunno... I use konqueoror
[09:57] <emdash> hyper_ch: ...okay...
[09:57] <emdash> anyone who uses thunar?
[09:57] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: what is your wifi card exacelty?   do    lspci | grep Ra
[09:57] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: yes, I have ethernet port as well. In the latest version of Ubuntu, that also would not work. And I don't have a PCMCIA wifi card, because I'm not going to waste my money on a card when I have wifi that should already work. It works in xubuntu, so that's enough for me. Now the only problem is the fan.
[09:57] <maxamillion> emdash: i use thunar
[09:57] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: I can't turn my laptop on now to do that because it's overheated.
[09:57] <TheoMurpse1> :|
[09:57] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: I don't have a pcmcia card either... it's a standard pci one...
[09:58] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: well, if lan is connected then, upon installation, it will not activated the wifi one
[09:58] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: but the ralink 2500 works out of the box.... it does in dapper, edgy and feisty
[09:59] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: I didn't install it with ethernet plugged in. Also, now I'm not a hardware expert, but I thought laptops didn't have PCI. I thought PCI was a slot in the back of a desktop computer.
[10:00] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: well, I don't have a laptop...
[10:00] <jeriko> 'lo
[10:01] <jeriko> how do i tell cups about a binary printer driver?
[10:01] <jeriko> the printcap file says not to edit, and the cups.conf file looks to have totally different syntax
[10:02] <hyper_ch> jeriko: dunno... did you tray applications --> system --> printing ?
[10:02] <hyper_ch> -system +settings
[10:02] <jeriko> that expects the drivers to already be recognized
[10:03] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: Rt2500 cardbus/mini-pci controller.
[10:03] <hyper_ch> !rt2500
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rt2500 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <hyper_ch> !ralink
[10:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:03] <jeriko> hyper_ch: it gives an option to specify a .ppd file, but these drivers don't seem to be in .ppd format
[10:03] <hyper_ch> jeriko: I dunno... my printer works out of the box
[10:04] <BFTD> hyper_ch you think installing a newer kernel might fix it?
[10:04] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[10:05] <hyper_ch> BFTD: you have nothing to loose than a few mbs download and some time
[10:06] <hyper_ch> BFTD: from the command line:   sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:06] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: I believe you. Like I said, I spent 1.5 years with people trying to get it working. Linux would talk to it, but I could never get a connection. With a static IP, no ping. With DHCP, I could never get an IP. It wasn't that I couldn't get a driver loaded. It was that some unknown, undiagnosable problem was there. And now it works in Xubuntu, so I don't care if it was supposed to work in Ubuntu, because no matter what I,
[10:06] <TheoMurpse1> it never worked.
[10:07] <TheoMurpse1> I just need my fan working now.
[10:07] <hyper_ch> if it works in xubuntu it will also in ubuntu and kubuntu ;)
[10:07] <TheoMurpse1> And /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature has my temp read as zero degrees celcius right now, so something is not right.
[10:07] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: yes. I know that is supposed to happen. It worked out of the box with xubuntu, but not when ubuntu was installed to the hard drive.
[10:08] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: maybe it was just not activated in ubuntu
[10:08] <TheoMurpse1> Here was my latest process: install Ubuntu 7.04 to the hard drive. Then, once in, perform these commands: sudo ifconfig ra0 down, sudo iwconfig essid ID, sudo ifconfig ra0 up, sudo dhclient ra0. Nothing worked
[10:08] <TheoMurpse1> Then: install with the exact same configuration Xubuntu 7.04 and run the exact same commands. Worked!
[10:09] <BFTD> hyper_ch I'm already at 7.04
[10:09] <hyper_ch> BFTD: well, but not newest kernel
[10:09] <TheoMurpse1> and hyper_ch: within network manager or whatever it was called I also enabled it. Command line and net manager, neither worked in Ubuntu.
[10:09] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: strange
[10:09] <TheoMurpse1> I agree.
[10:10] <BFTD> sweet, ok thanks
[10:10] <BFTD> hope it works
[10:10] <hyper_ch> BFTD: well, you have nothing to losse.. both kernels will be installed then and upon boot you select which one you want to boot into
[10:10] <hyper_ch> BFTD: by the default the most current will be used
[10:11] <BFTD> yeah
[10:11] <BFTD> I was gonna recompile the newest one from kernel.org hehe
[10:11] <BFTD> but this is easier
[10:11] <TheoMurpse1> But it doesn't matter, it works for me with Xubuntu. Now I just need my fan to work, or I'm stuck with XP because I'm completely tired of something not working, and after a year and a half, I'm giving up. It's just not worth it. If my fans don't get working, it's no Linux for me until I get my next laptop. And I know no one cares if I ditch Linux, because it doesn't hurt the community, I'm just saying that I'm really, really tir
[10:11] <TheoMurpse1> everything perfectly right out of the box. I have been willing to wait this long, but for something that is supposed to be BIOS-controlled to stop working is the last straw.
[10:11] <TheoMurpse1> Whatever, it sounds like I'm making threats, and it's not supposed to sound like that. Just a little vent or something. I'm just tired.
[10:12] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: still no need to vent in threats
[10:12] <hyper_ch> -t +d
[10:16] <jeriko> hyper_ch: printer solution fyi, was to get the windows .ppd file
[10:16] <hyper_ch> jeriko: good :)
[10:17] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: as I said, they are not threats.
[10:18] <TheoMurpse1> Because obviously no one cares if I don't use Linux except for me.
[10:19] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: "Because obviously no one cares if I don't use Linux except for me." --> that's venting and it doesn't get you anywhere
[10:21] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: that is not venting. It is a statement of fact. You misunderstand. I'm saying that whether I use Linux or not does not affect the Linux community.
[10:21] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: it is venting... with such a remark you are provoking
[10:22] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: no. You are misreading sarcasm into my statement.  But with my statement that "no one cares," it becomes obvious that I am aware of the fact that no one cares about my words, so it is made obvious that my statements are not a threat, but mere statements of fact.
[10:23] <TheoMurpse1> There are two ways to read what I've said. You are choosing to ignore the second way, the way I intend it to be read.
[10:23] <TheoMurpse1> That statement about no one cares that I made has no anger behind it. It is a cold, analytical statement of fact.
[10:23] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: if there are two ways then you take the more negative one to be on the safe side of how people will get it... and hence it's venting
[10:23] <TheoMurpse1> You are reading it the other way, which is something like, OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE NO ONE CARES!!111ONEONE.
[10:25] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: sarcasm has also a lot to do with the intonation and this just can't be expressed by text only... you have to make it plain obvious but you are failing at that and hence you are venting.
[10:25] <TheoMurpse1> hyper_ch: I'm sorry I misread what you said. I was never arguing that it wasn't venting. I was arguing that it wasn't threats, and you said it was a threat. Here is why: through context clues, it is obvious that the positive way is the only correct way to read it. It had literally just been preceded by "it sounds like I'm making threats, and it's not supposed to sound like that." Thus, if you choose to continue reading it as thr
[10:25] <TheoMurpse1> calling me a liar.
[10:26] <hyper_ch> [22:12]  <hyper_ch> -t +d
[10:26] <maxamillion> do i need to use this?
[10:27] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you got a stick? *g*
[10:27] <Jester45> man.. i only got a ban rock :(
[10:27] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i sure do :)
[10:27] <Jester45> maxamillion: i'm thinking its all fine
[10:27] <maxamillion> okies
[10:27] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: a mighty one?
[10:27] <Jester45> just a misunderstanding
[10:27] <maxamillion> ok, good
[10:28] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: lol
[10:28] <Jester45> is it a stick or log or whole tree
[10:28] <TheoMurpse1> No, you don't need to use a ban stick. I've repeatedly said that I'm not making threats.
[10:28] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: just trying to keep the peace, no worries
[10:28] <Jester45> stop threating me!!!!
[10:28] <hyper_ch> BFTD: does it work with the new kernel?
[10:29] <BFTD> no, but now I know whats wrong
[10:29] <TheoMurpse1> These are excerpts from some of the past few statements I've made in the channel: it sounds like I'm making threats, and it's not supposed to sound like that; That statement about no one cares that I made has no anger behind it. It is a cold, analytical statement of fact.; my statements are not a threat
[10:29] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: ah, ok ... thank you for clarification
[10:29] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: it's OK. I know that channel arguments can get out of hand. I used to be a op elsewhere myself.
[10:29] <BFTD> gdm is crashing and taking the whole system with it, but if I restart without shuttingdown then it all works fine until I shut down again
[10:30] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: there's a difference between no one caring and no one being able to help and hence shutting up
[10:30] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: no worries, i really hadn't any plans to ban ... was more or less trying to make light of the matter .... i don't like to ban unless i have to :)
[10:30] <hyper_ch> BFTD: hmmm, maybe does reconfiguration of the xserver help
[10:30] <TheoMurpse1> In any case, I'm just going to wait a while, and hope that in 12 hours there is some fresh blood on the channel that might have other ideas for why my laptop fan doesn't work when I boot into Xubuntu, but they work fine on XP and previously on Gentoo.
[10:30] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you never have to... you always have other options
[10:31] <Jester45> TheoMurpse1: this channel has a few things people do like not talking if they cant help or jokeing
[10:31] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: not always, there are rules that must be enforced and some people just won't comply
[10:31] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: acpi settings
[10:31] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you have a free will... the only thing you have to do in life is die one day... everything else is your choice
[10:31] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: lemme try to find you info on how to config that, just a moment
[10:32] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: yeah, i have no diea what settings to work on.  Both beta male nerds ;)
[10:32] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i think cpu temp of 0 sounds broken to me
[10:32] <Jester45> i would be like... well now you dont get unbanned
[10:33] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: fair enough
[10:33] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: if it is 0 it is good :)
[10:33] <maxamillion> lol
[10:33] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: some acpi works, though. For example, battery life.
[10:33] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: hmmm.... well, that's a positive sign ... lemme check something
[10:34] <BFTD> hyper_ch but its so sensitive as it is already, going in there and screwing with it is not what I want to do
[10:34] <TheoMurpse1> polling is disabled, and cooling_mode is "passive" but then says "this setting is not available" or something. I don't know now, as my laptop has shut itself off due to overheating again :|
[10:35] <hyper_ch> BFTD: you can always make a backup first of your xorg.conf :)
[10:35] <Jester45> @help
[10:35] <ubotu> (help [<plugin>]  [<command>] ) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[10:35] <TheoMurpse1> Which is weird, since I ran it for 2 hours yesterday taking notes without realizing that the fan didn't work.Since the laptop was on a desk, I never noticed teh heat.
[10:35] <Jester45> oops
[10:36] <TheoMurpse1> So if the laptop ran for 2 hours without overheating, why is it overheating in 15-30 minutes now?...
[10:41] <BFTD> hyper_ch yeah  I know
[10:41] <hyper_ch> BFTD: backups are great ;)
[10:44] <Jester45> TheoMurpse1: my desktop doesnt have a fan and its fine
[10:44] <TheoMurpse1> Jester45: nice for you, but mine is a laptop, so I kinda need a fan ;)
[10:45] <Jester45> i dont think so
[10:45] <TheoMurpse1> Jester45: my laptop is shutting off in 15-30 minutes because the fan isn't working. Cause and effect, and all that, my friend.
[10:45] <Jester45> o and it doesnt have any water cooling stiff like that
[10:45] <Ramla> Maybe it was already warm, maybe the room temperature was different, maybe you had heavier use today?
[10:46] <TheoMurpse1> Jester45: so your computer is low-power and passively cooled? I want to build a box like that sometime to be a media server if that'd work out to not be too hot
[10:46] <Jester45> 2ghz 1gb ram
[10:46] <TheoMurpse1> Perhaps place it in an air duct where AC will run past it, and expose the sides so air flows freely through it. That might be cheating, to say "my computer doesn't have a fan" then, because it'd really be actively cooled by the most amazing fan ever -- central air for the computer?
[10:46] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: it seems that what i seem to find most of is battery configuration, i'm sorry i wasn't of more help .... if you hang around i will see if i can find more info
[10:48] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: thanks for the help. I figured you'd just checked real fast and gave up. WHat a surprise! :) It's always nice to be on Freenode for the community. I'm sorry about my douchebaggery. I always try very hard not to lose it, because I know from being on the other side that it's unwelcome, and unproductive.
[10:49] <Jester45> and makes people not want to help
[10:50] <TheoMurpse1> That, too ;)
[10:51] <TheoMurpse1> Presumably OT convos are not really encouraged here, am I right?
[10:51] <TheoMurpse1> well, extended OT ones in any case
[10:51] <Jester45> thats what #xubuntu-offtopic is for
[10:51] <hyper_ch> nope, ot is not desired here - although I don't see a point in that policy if there is none asking for help...
[10:52] <Jester45> hyper_ch: thats my POV but i got banned for to much ot
[10:52] <hyper_ch> I didn't get banned yet from here... only from #php
[10:52] <TheoMurpse1> point taken
[10:53] <Jester45> i was banned 2 times but 1 wasnt really my fault
[10:54] <hyper_ch> you mean they banned you arbitrarinessly?
[10:54] <TheoMurpse1> so I noticed maxamillion promoting himself to op at some point. Is the theory that one masquerades as a mere mortal until the time arrives to dash into a phone booth?
[10:54] <Jester45> ??
[10:55] <Jester45> they dont stay opd because of some chanserv problem i think
[10:55] <Jester45> so they op when needed
[10:55] <hyper_ch> TheoMurpse1: yes.... the only op when needed... self-moderation is the desired approach
[10:55] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: found a couple things that might help .... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:ACPI_fan_control_script and http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=303024
[10:55] <Jester45> if there is a big problem and nobody in here is/can be oped then you can ask in #ubuntu and some of them could help
[10:56] <TheoMurpse1> Jester45: I was attempting a suave Superman analogy, but I see I failed ;)
[11:00] <TheoMurpse1> Jester45: I've tried on #ubuntu. I was there at a time when there was so much discussion that my problem got drowned out. I'm going to try again later there, too.
[11:01] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: that second link seems like the exact same problem as mine. I'll read on. I also have an empty /proc/acpi/fan directory.
[11:06] <TheoMurpse1> Is there a kernel configuration file on a default Xubuntu installation so I can modify a few things and recompile, or do I have to start from scratch and guess at the things in the stock kernel?
[11:12] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: the default kernel is called a "generic" and it uses the upstart system to load appropriate modules, so technically anything the kernel version is capable of supporting should be auto-detected and supported/configured (though it has been known for this to not work from time to time) ... you are able to download the ubuntu kernel sources and build for yourself if you like or just get a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and go from there (tho
[11:14] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: Are the ubuntu kernel sources have the generic stuff set up, and I could just modify a couple settings and have everything else remain the same as the generic? Also, I keep reading people referring to a k7 kernel, but I see no such kernel for Xubuntu. I have an AMD, but am running the i386 because I don't have a 64-bit proc and those are the only two choices I see.
[11:15] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: well the k7 is i386 compliant, but when you do "uname -a" it should say k7 in there somewhere because upstart will auto detect that
[11:16] <maxamillion> TheoMurpse1: because the generic kernel will load the k7 support as needed at boot time
[11:16] <TheoMurpse1> maxamillion: ok, thanks
[11:16] <maxamillion> np
[11:55] <mortal5> ~composite
[11:56] <mortal5> can anyone tell me how to get the compositor running in xubuntu?
[11:56] <TehRealNexGen> which one?
[11:56] <mortal5> the one built into xfce
[11:56] <TehRealNexGen> erm by compositor you mean beryl or compiz?
[11:56] <mortal5> no, i don't think so
[11:57] <mortal5> I mean the one that is bundled with xfce
[11:57] <mortal5> already in xubuntu
[11:57] <mortal5> I don't want the full fledged deal
[11:58] <TehRealNexGen> i didnt know there was one lol just wait for someone more knowledgable
[11:58] <mortal5> "Day-to-day activities can also be performed with in a way that users will find more visually appealing, thanks to an enhanced window-manager compositor. Xfwm4 now supports transparent windows, shadows, window frame transparency and much more."
[11:59] <TehRealNexGen> soz i dont know
[12:00] <TehRealNexGen> look at this page it might help
[12:00] <TehRealNexGen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=360288
[12:01] <TheSheep> mortal5: go to settings->window manager tweaks and enable compositing in the last tab
[12:01] <mortal5> TheSheep, ty
[12:01] <mortal5> brb restarting x
[12:06] <BFTD> is there such a thing as open source music?
[12:06] <TheSheep> BFTD: try creative commons
[12:06] <TheSheep> BFTD: creativecommons.org
[12:06] <BFTD> !!
[12:06] <mortal5> mmm real transparency
[12:07] <mortal5> TheSheep, where's the little thing to change a window's opacity?
[12:07] <TheSheep> mortal5: alt+scrollwheel with the mouse cursor over the title bar
[12:08] <TheSheep> mortal5: but terminal has own. better, in preferences -- it doesn't make th letters transparent, only background
[12:08] <mortal5> TheSheep, actually i like that better
[12:08] <mortal5> than the way gnome does the real transparency
[12:09] <mortal5> hehe, i like this
[12:09] <mortal5> not so much overhead as compiz or ogl
[12:10] <TehRealNexGen> ive got a problem with creating an iso http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x194/TehRealNexGen/screenshot1.png
[12:16] <jeriko> speaking of such, any beryl users in here?
[12:16] <TehRealNexGen> yes
[12:17] <jeriko> when running beryl, does your desktop pager get messed up?
[12:17] <TehRealNexGen> yes
[12:17] <TehRealNexGen> to one
[12:18] <jeriko> know of a way to fix?
[12:18] <TehRealNexGen> i tried looking but couldnt find any
[12:18] <jeriko> mine not only shows one, but it seems smooshed/bugged gfx
[12:18] <TehRealNexGen> well mine doesnt look too bad
[12:18] <jeriko> does yours retain the normal square shape?
[12:18] <TehRealNexGen> yes
[12:18] <jeriko> hrm
[12:19] <jeriko> how do you launch beryl?
[12:19] <TehRealNexGen> well recangles acually
[12:19] <TehRealNexGen> beryl-manager
[12:19] <jeriko> haha yea, rectangle
[12:19] <jeriko> mine definitely looks wrong..
[12:19] <jeriko> other than that things seem ok
[12:19] <TehRealNexGen> tried restarting x?
[12:19] <jeriko> hrm not yet
[12:25] <jeriko> didn't fix it..
[12:26] <TheSheep> !beryl
[12:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:26] <jeriko> do you know to reset xfce panel to defaults?


 I've seen that there's a PPA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsboAlternatives
[15:29] <tseliot> Sarvatt: do you know if it works decently well?
[15:30] <Sarvatt> I have absolutely no idea unfortunately
[15:31] <Sarvatt> we have no release with xserver 1.8 outside of lucid + xorg-edgers
[15:32] <tseliot> right, it requires a new X
[15:32] <Sarvatt> requires xserver 1.8 afaik, doubt it works with 1.9..
[15:33] <tseliot> :/
[15:34] <Sarvatt> yep doesn't work with 1.9
[15:34] <Sarvatt> (thanks meego)
[15:36] <tseliot> Sarvatt: the usual Poulsbo nightmare ;)
[15:36] <Sarvatt> they're the only ones that shipped anything with 1.8
[15:36] <tseliot> thanks for your help
[15:36] <Sarvatt> if its for personal use it would work fine with xorg-edgers+lucid at least :)
[17:34] <tjaalton> yo, what's the status of natty on intel atm? I'm thinking of upgrading my laptop
[17:39] <Sarvatt> better off than maverick, thats for sure
[17:39] <Sarvatt> its gnome/compiz that you'll hit the fun with :)
[17:41] <tjaalton> hmm, maverick has been working fine :)
[17:43] <Sarvatt> applets fail to load all the time in the classic gnome session, compiz resets my settings every update, fun stuff
[17:45] <tjaalton> hehe
[17:45] <Sarvatt> gtk-window-decorator segfaults really often and takes out borders too, have to disable/reenable the decoration plugin in ccsm all the time
[17:46] <Sarvatt> actually it segfaults every boot 100% of the time and i have to disable/reenable it
[17:49] <tjaalton> mmkay
[17:49] <tjaalton> that reminds me; is it just me or was the default border width changed to 1px in 10.10?
[17:50] <tjaalton> it's infuriating..
[17:50] <Sarvatt> lucid's the same :(
[17:50] <Sarvatt> I think they're doing grips in the corners in natty
[17:50] <tjaalton> lucid seems fine here
[17:51] <tjaalton> oh
[17:51] <Sarvatt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-resizing-windows
[17:51] <tjaalton> right the borders are, but the resize corner is 1x1 in 10.10
[17:51] <tjaalton> approximately anyway
[17:57] <Sarvatt> jcristau: looks like you're getting your wish :)  <doko> cdbs: it is unlikely that debian will make --as-needed the default
[17:58] <jcristau> yay
[18:03] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: what's the downside of it?
[18:07] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-November/031991.html
[18:10] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: ah that one.. hehe
[18:38] <bryceh> tjaalton, yeah I finally got fed up with it and edited the theme xml file to increase the border width
[18:39] <bryceh> I figured if I summed up all the many seconds wasted trying to get my mouse over the border, I could actually do something with all that time
[18:39] <tjaalton> bryceh: heh :)
[18:39] <tjaalton> in lucid it's 4pix wide
[18:40] <bryceh> I set it to 10!
[18:40] <tjaalton> so enough for me, but dunno what it used to be
[18:40] <tjaalton> if the blueprint said it was changed for lucid
[18:40] <tjaalton> 10 seems plenty :)
[18:40] <bryceh> actually, even setting it to just 2 or 3 makes the corners a lot easier to hit
[18:40] <tjaalton> yeah
[18:41] <bryceh> on my desktop I got phat space
[18:43] <bryceh> file is (for metacity) /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml
[18:44] <tjaalton> thanks, I'll check it out
[18:47] <bryceh> regarding natty stability... I have it on two machines I actively use.  The unity interface is pretty clunky at present.  Switching to classic works, although I've still had misc. irritants like Sarvatt mentioned, and my laptop no longer suspends.  X seems to be reasonably stable though.
[18:47] <bryceh> (which we'll fix once we upload the new xserver *grin*)
[18:47] <Sarvatt> bryceh: suspend or hibernate?
[18:47] <bryceh> suspend
[18:47] <Sarvatt> hibernate should be fixed in 2.6.37-rc7
[18:48] <bryceh> like, close lid, pops up a dialog saying it couldn't suspend.
[18:48] <bryceh> there isn't even a suspend option listed in any of the menus anymore
[18:48] <bryceh> my 1.5 yr old son every day, first thing he does is close the lids on all the laptops.  So this is a bit of a problem ;-)
[18:52] <Sarvatt> there's someone out there that likes a laptop suspending when the lid is closed?
[18:53] <Sarvatt> I always figured only mac fans liked that :)
[18:53]  * Sarvatt closes/opens his laptops all day long and doesn't like disconnecting
[18:58] <bryceh> well, this particular laptop gets really hot when the lid is closed
[19:00] <bryceh> the disconnecting bit is annoying.  But I try to only use it as a dumb terminal onto other machines so it's not a big deal.
[20:03] <bmw_> Having a bit of trouble on Kubuntu 10.10 with Radeon HD 3200.  All your drivers are installed and FGLRX is not installed.  Desktop Effects in System Settings is completely grayed out. Please advise. Thank you in advance.
[20:03] <Sarvatt> bryceh: ok I'm not crazy, fglrx/nvidia install worked on the karmic livecd - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/524902
[20:03] <ubot4> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #524902 is private.
[20:08] <bryceh> Sarvatt, hmmm
[20:09] <Sarvatt> i think i can narrow down when it broke by looking at closed glxinfo bugs
[20:11] <bryceh> clever
[20:13] <Sarvatt> bryceh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/594701
[20:13] <ubot4> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #594701 is private.
[20:13] <Sarvatt> working...
[20:13] <Sarvatt> that looks like a final lucid livecd
[20:14] <Sarvatt> LiveMediaBuild: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429)
[20:14] <Sarvatt> ah wait
[20:15] <Sarvatt> it worked because his card wasn't supported so it didnt build a module
[20:15] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bugs?field.searchtext=XF86DRIQueryExtension%28%29&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX
[20:15] <Sarvatt> here we go, thats a good range
[20:19] <Sarvatt> nothin, forgot LiveMediaBuild in that search
[20:20] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=LiveMediaBuild+XF86DRIQueryExtension%28%29&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[20:20] <Sarvatt> thats right, most were against gnome-screensaver :)
[20:24] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa-demos/+bug/661756 somehow they magically got fglrx installed in maverick
[20:24] <ubot4> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #661756 is private.
[20:24] <Sarvatt> ah gpu must not be supported yet again
[20:31] <Sarvatt> rough guess is it broke around beta 1 for lucid, LiveMediaBuild: Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" - Alpha i386 (20100404) is the earliest lucid report i've found so far
[20:31] <Sarvatt> LiveMediaBuild: Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" - Beta i386 (20100406.1) is the second oldest
[20:34] <Sarvatt> would help if there weren't hundreds of package updates on april 1st :)
[20:37] <bmw_> Having a bit of trouble on Kubuntu 10.10 with Radeon HD 3200.  All your drivers are installed and FGLRX is not installed.  Desktop Effects in System Settings is completely grayed out. Please advise. Thank you in advance.
[20:40] <bryceh> bmw_, -> try http://askubuntu.com
[20:40] <bmw_> Thanx. Have a great day.
[20:43] <bmw_> bryceh -> not very helpful site. I came here b/c your wiki said I could get some help. Can I?
[20:45] <bryceh> bmw_, where did it say that?
[20:47] <Sarvatt> guess I'll boot a livecd and try playing with mkinitramfs, wonder if any of these are busting the vmlinuz symlink because the timeframe is right - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/initramfs-tools/natty/revision/168 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/initramfs-tools/natty/revision/167 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/initramfs-tools/natty/revision/175#mkinitramfs
[20:48]  * bryceh -> lunch
[21:16] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, when you tried booting the karmic livecd, did it work?
[21:17] <Sarvatt> haven't booted a karmic livecd in ages, would help if it was even possible to create a lucid liveusb in maverick+ :)
[22:00]  * RAOF gasps as the full majesty of X's resource system slowly unfolds before his eyes.
[22:08] <JanC> RAOF: gasping because it's beautiful or because you're drowning?  ;)
[22:09] <RAOF> Well, I've just realised where the mechanism which stops everything leaking to hell is.


[16:30] <adrienverge> Hi all
[16:30] <adrienverge> Does anyone know a bit of iSCSI here?
[16:30] <adrienverge> Is it normal that a new disk appears in /dev/ every time 'iscsiadm -m node -T abc -p xyz:3260 --login' is called?
[16:36] <apw> adrienverge, might also be worth asking on #ubuntu-server if noone answers here
[16:39] <adrienverge> apw: Thanks
[16:39] <adrienverge> I'll do it tomorrow, time to leave now ;)