[16:53] <fnatter> hello ubuntu-motu!
[16:54] <fnatter> freeplane in Ubuntu 16.10 is broken due to a broken knopflerfish-osgi 5.2.0-1
[16:54] <fnatter>   update
[16:54] <fnatter> the fix is to sync knopflerfish-osgi 5.2.0-2 (as 5.2.0-1.1) to Ubuntu 16.10
[16:54] <fnatter> rbasak told be to create a SRU for this
[16:54] <fnatter> I have read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:54] <fnatter> rbasak: could you help me create the request/report?
[16:55] <fnatter> (continuing our discussion for Wednesday)
[17:01] <fnatter> all: is rbasak even online?
[17:57] <rbasak> fnatter: it's my weekend! I suggest you ask your questions here, and somebody (maybe me) will be able to answer them directly. People don't usually volunteer to answer questions before they know what they are.
[18:18] <fnatter> hi rbasak, it's my weekend too ;-)
[18:18] <fnatter> Which bug shall I populate with my info (Impact / Test Case / Regression Potential, debdiff)?
[18:18] <fnatter> the SRU documentation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates) assumes that I am a Ubuntu developer, but I am only Debian package maintainer
[18:20] <fnatter> there are two bugs / sub-bugs (tasks?) here:
[18:20] <fnatter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeplane/+bug/1631361
[18:35] <rbasak> fnatter: populate the bug description. A bug has two tasks, but only one description, so you don't need to pick.
[18:35] <rbasak> (this bug, that is)
[18:38] <fnatter> ok, but are you sure to update LP:1631361, even if the problem must be fixed in knopflerfish-osgi?
[18:41] <rbasak> Yes. That's why we have multiple tasks in one bug. One root cause per bug, even if it affects multiple packages.
[18:42] <rbasak> And even if it needs different code changes in different packages, even though that's not the case here.
[18:42] <fnatter> and I shall write in prose about the plan for an SRU, along with Impact / Test Case / Regression Potential, debdiff (attached), proposed changelog entry?
[18:44] <rbasak> Yes please. Also this is a little complex, because the impact is to freeplane users but the fix is in knoplerfish-osgi. So do explain that. You'll need to talk about the regression potential for other users of both freeplane (presumably nil as it's completely broken) and knoplerfish-osgi (any direct users of that package, as well as reverse dependencies).
[18:44] <rbasak> The proposed changelog entry should be part of the debdiff.
[18:49] <fnatter> I create a debdiff between two _existing_ versions of knopflerfish-osgi in Debian. In that case I would have to manipulate the package which would be confusing. I will explain that in the bug, and include the changelog entry in the text.
[18:56] <fnatter> one more question: Is this proposed changelog entry ok?
[18:56] <fnatter> https://paste.debian.net/887503/


[01:55]  * Fujitsu kicks kohnen.
[01:55]  * Hobbsee kicks Fujitsu
[01:56]  * Fujitsu is a good buildd.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[01:57]  * Fujitsu is glad to see the hppa queue backlog again.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah yes, good luck with that
[02:00] <Hobbsee> lamont: can fix it, iirc
[02:00] <Fujitsu> .......
[02:00] <Fujitsu> The queues are going crazy.
[02:01]  * Hobbsee has no power to cancel builds, etc
[02:01] <Fujitsu> i386 has gained 25 in the past 10 minutes, hppa has lost nine.
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177797 in malone "Bug feeds should list source package name(s) in titles and descriptions in content" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177797
[02:08]  * Fujitsu wonders why Soyuz has dug up builds from April to build now...
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: dogfood or normal?
[02:08]  * Nafallo|THM wonders why Fujitsu isn't on jabber
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Normal.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: mass giveback, perhaps.
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I didn't see one, but perhaps.
[02:09] <Fujitsu> Nafallo|THM: Because I got up half an hour ago, am sick, and forgot.
[02:09] <Nafallo|THM> Fujitsu: you always forget. you should have gajim in your session :-)
[02:09] <Fujitsu> I do.
[02:09] <Fujitsu> But my session doesn't get closed overnight.
[02:10] <Nafallo|THM> :-P
[02:10] <Nafallo|THM> stop killing gajim then
 gajim eh?
 you could always try empathy
[03:22]  * Fujitsu loves Gajim.
 Yeah, I used that too until I got the hang of empathy on gusty....
[03:23]  * Hobbsee ponders trying that, instead of gaim
[03:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Note that it only does Jabber.
[03:25] <Fujitsu> Oh, Empathy?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> either
[03:25]  * Fujitsu should probably try that at some point.
 the zeroconf/avahi piece is nifty as well.  More or less the same functionality as pidgin ...just simpler
 but I'm off topic for this channel :-)
[03:25]  * Hobbsee thought you could get the other varieties also working thru jabber
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: That's what I do.
[03:26] <Fujitsu> Rinchen: Gajim does that too, of course.
 true
 ** Rinchen runs way
[03:28]  * Fujitsu is a bit suspicious of queue-mangler at the moment. 100 hppa builds have left Pending in the past 2 hours, with two buildds...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: sacrifice more goats.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> and try a few pigeons
[03:43] <Hobbsee> lamont: so what is the ppa meaning of "trusted" for the ppa builders?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> seeing as i didn't get the benefit of cprov looking over my shoulder
[04:45]  * lamont waves, gets ready to head to bed
[04:46] <Hobbsee> night lamont
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Night lamont.
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177824 in soyuz "Build page for currently building builds has duplicate fields" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177824
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177827 in soyuz "Automatic depwait giver-back should know about ogre-model" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177827
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177833 in rosetta "percentages superimpose themself and become disorder in update session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177833
[08:06] <sivang> moring all!
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Hi sivang.
[08:06] <sivang> It seems that my membership for ubuntu-members has expried today, can somebody fix that up and extend my membership period ? :)
[08:06] <sivang> hey Fujitsu ! how you been doing ?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> sivang: You'll have to poke a CC person about that.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> sivang: Note that your membership won't lapse for a while, as you're in motu which is in ubuntu-dev which is in ubuntumembers.
[08:08] <sivang> Fujitsu: I'm even still in ubuntu-dev for that matter
[08:08] <Fujitsu> sivang: Ah, they must have never got around to removing everyone.
[08:09] <sivang> (and I certainly intend to do some more real work on hubackup for hardy, so I think my request is in place)
[08:09] <sivang> who is a good CC person these days ? :)
[08:10]  * Fujitsu isn't sure if anybody is around.
[08:14] <sivang> shame I was bit too busy to notice the expiration messages
[08:50] <sivang> oh dear, only now I saw an email from kiko
[08:50] <sivang> does anybody know if he already went on his trip or still available online ?
[08:50] <sivang> SteveA, stub : ^^ (hi btw, long time)
[09:00] <daou> Has anyone tried to download translations from launchpad in the past week? I have been unable to do so since last Saturday
[09:01] <daou> Could someone try to download a .po file from my project and send it to me? Would be much appreciated.
[09:06] <daou> Nevermind, saw the the channel topic :P
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177857 in launchpad-answers "The "Select a project" search box won't disappear when clicking cancel under Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177857
[10:15] <Fujitsu> bigjools: So, er, what actually caused my bug?
[10:15] <Fujitsu> Or is that verboten?
[10:15] <bigjools> just some bad code :(
[10:16] <Fujitsu> Why have things gradually been getting superseded throughout the day? I would have thought they would have been done at once...
[10:18] <bigjools> I'm not entirely sure!
[10:18] <bigjools> Does it look ok for you now?
[10:19] <Fujitsu> It looks pretty good, but the queue is a bit shorter than I would have expected, and is getting shorter as things that had their sources superseded a month ago are getting superseded.
[10:19] <Fujitsu> It could well be correct, though.
[11:54] <sivang> hi matsubara !
[11:54] <sivang> matsubara: do you know if kiko should be around?
[11:55] <matsubara> hey sivang!
[11:55] <matsubara> I don't know, he might.
[11:59]  * Fujitsu knows he's leaving within a day or two, maybe already.
[12:00] <matsubara> yeah, he told me he would be on holidays starting yesterday, but yesterday he's here all day :-)
[12:01] <mwhudson> canonical employees aren't very good at being on holiday :)
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't Soyuz be marking DEPWAIT builds SUPERSEDED as it does with NEEDSBUILD?
[12:31] <sivang> matsubara: hmm, I need to help him on a trip to here :)
[12:31] <sivang> matsubara: he mailed me 10 days ago but I was too busy to notice :(
[12:32] <sivang> matsubara: I hope he's getting well and to meet him, I understood he wanted to visit here
[12:34] <matsubara> sivang: right. He'll likely contact you then.
[12:35] <sivang> matsubara: do you know if he already went on the trip or took a flight ?
[12:35] <matsubara> sivang: no idea, sorry.
[12:36] <matsubara> sivang: he was in the London office, that's why I don't know.
[12:36] <sivang> matsubara: sure np, how's stuff otherwise ? how are you doing ?
[12:37] <matsubara> sivang: pretty good, thanks! looking forward for the holidays :-) How about you?
[12:37] <sivang> matsubara: Coming back after a while of a break
[12:38] <sivang> matsubara: I noticed you closed a couple of bugs of mine, good work :)
[12:38] <sivang> (some of them I opened quite a while ago)
[12:42] <matsubara> sivang: LP team has been busy :-)
[12:44] <sivang> yes indeed
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177873 in soyuz "MANUALDEPWAIT builds should migrate to SUPERSEDED as NEEDSBUILD does" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177873
[12:46] <sivang> matsubara: if he comes here tell him to call me, I sent him my cell number
[12:46] <sivang> thanks
[12:47]  * sivang is off for a while
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177875 in soyuz "Builds for old releases not correctly superseded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177875
[12:52] <Kmos> MOTU Q&A session in 11 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177876 in malone "~user/+assignedbugs should not show bugs when a bugtask is assigned to user, and nomination exists for that bugtask but is assigned to a different user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177876
[14:52] <kiko> hey there
[14:52] <kiko> somebody looking for me?
[14:52] <kiko> sivang!
[15:19] <Rinchen> Hi kiko
[15:25] <kiko> hey Rinchen
[15:25] <kiko> getting the hell out of here
[15:26] <Rinchen> good good
[15:26] <Rinchen> enjoy
[15:26] <kiko> cheers
[15:26] <Rinchen> ack the mobile number
[15:26] <kiko> Rinchen, oh
[15:26] <Hobbsee> holidays...you people suck.
[15:26]  * Hobbsee is very jealous
[15:27] <kiko> Rinchen, about the bugzilla document
[15:27] <kiko> I don't know what to do with mark's comments
[15:27] <Rinchen> I had a simple chat with BT last night.   I then updated the status for Hardy to 'Fix Released'.  Unfortunately, because it says 'Status tracked in Hardy', the bug disappeared off bug list for the package.
[16:29] <jdstrand> bug #172260
[16:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172260 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[mysql] multiple vulnerabilities" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172260
[16:30] <jdstrand> Is there a way to change it to 'Status tracked in Dapper'?
[16:30] <jdstrand> (or really anything other than hardy)
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177919 in rosetta "Translators should be pointed to untranslated strings not to ALL." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177919
 This channel's topic is too long
[17:11] <Rinchen> mpt, yeah, I've been toying with the idea of stuffing it in help.lp.net and then just including the link above
[17:11] <mpt> For me it ends with "| Join the beta team: ht"
[17:11] <Rinchen> same here
[17:11] <mpt> The existence of separate "Help" and "Support" sections is a symptom of something
[17:14] <Rinchen> ya
[17:14] <Rinchen> I just copied that into a text file so I can read it
[17:14] <Rinchen> a good portion of the stuff after the meeting info is on the front page of help.lp.net
[17:14] <Rinchen> maybe I should just update the frontpage with that info
[17:15]  * Rinchen goes off to view the frontpage again
[17:20] <Rinchen> oh mpt this is dangerous
[17:20] <Rinchen> I'm rewriting a number of things on the front page
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> Danger, mpt Robinson.
[17:23] <mpt> whoo
[17:23]  * mpt wonders why Launchpad is offering to let him delete a packaging link
[17:26] <mpt> ha, it's because bug 4556 is fixed
[17:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 4556 in launchpad "Can't remove link between project and source package" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4556 - Assigned to David Allouche (ddaa)
[17:28] <Rinchen> ok mpt, I'm done tinkering with  https://help.launchpad.net
[17:30] <mpt> ddaa, should I really have permissions to delete Ubuntu packaging links? I don't feel as if I should
[17:30] <mpt> Don't get me wrong, everyone having permission is much better than the previous situation of no-one being able to
[17:31] <mpt> but I'm not sure of the wikiality of packaging links
[17:36] <gspr> I guess you people must be tired of this by now, but is it possible to have my PPA cleaned out? I posted a launchpad question, and the packages were removed from the overview, but the deb and source files still remain, so no new upload is possible.
[17:37] <Rinchen> bigjools, ^^  we should add that to FAQ sir
[17:37] <bigjools> Rinchen: +1 :)
[17:37] <Rinchen> gspr, bigjools is building up an extended PPA FAQ to help with these sort of questions.
[17:38] <bigjools> gspr: unfortunately it's an admin procedure at the moment, but the next cycle should see new functionality that will enable you to delete packages yourself
[17:38] <gspr> ok
[17:38] <gspr> thanks guys
[17:38] <gspr> the PPA is a great idea, by the way
[17:39] <bigjools> it sure is!
[17:39] <bigjools> but I might be slightly biased
[17:39] <gspr> you're one of the creators?
[17:44]  * gmb chuckles at the idea of bigjools as a god
[17:44] <bigjools> lol
[17:44] <bigjools> gspr: I work on the code, yes
[17:45] <gspr> hehe
[17:46] <gspr> it must be extremely practical for for example a small business with a few computers that doesn't need/want to run their own repository but still needs a few packages customized
[17:49] <bigjools> indeed
[17:49] <bigjools> we have a lot of improvements planned for PPAs
[18:22] <pochu> \o/ yay for the SF bug status sync!
[18:22]  * pochu expects a lot of bug mail soon :-)
[18:24] <oly-> hi, can anyone help me i have hit a problem with bzr, it says it cannot rename a file and refuses to p[ull my code down exact error is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49186/
[18:25] <oly-> its also stopping me from push code changes to launchpad as well
[18:31] <mwhudson> huh wtf!
[18:31] <mwhudson> oly-: what bzr version?
[18:32] <oly-> 0.90-1 the one in gutsy
[18:33] <oly-> i tried bzr commit at work to upload my code and got that error, came home and did a bzr pull and got the same error
[18:33] <oly-> so thats on 2 different computers
[18:33] <mwhudson> oly-: file a bug, i guess
[18:33] <mwhudson> but i've no real idea
[18:34] <mwhudson> sadly, it's 30 minutes after i stop work for the last day for ten days...
[18:34] <oly-> okay, where should i post the bug against bzr or launchpad ?
[18:35] <oly-> i would guess launchpad,
[18:36] <oly-> i will ask in the bzr channel they might have some ideas as to whats wrong
[19:04] <oliver_g1> hi
[19:06] <oliver_g1> why is it that when searching in Ubuntu bugs for "flash md5" the "FlashPlayer installation problem, because of the MD5 Check ..." bug is not found?
[19:06] <oliver_g1> yet when trying to report a new bug, it suggests this one?
[19:07] <oliver_g1> did I mess up my search settings somehow?
[19:09] <oliver_g1> oh I see... the bug it found is a duplicate; and the original one doesn't have md5 in title :-(
[19:09] <oliver_g1> unfortunate :-(
[19:12] <pochu> oliver_g1: feel free to edit the title to add it ;)
[19:12] <oliver_g1> pochu: heh yes :-)
[19:13] <oliver_g1> i can imagine the flood of subscribers who will tear down on poor me for spamming them :-D
[19:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177949 in launchpad "Non-existent feeds url causing an oops instead of not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177949
[19:24] <mpt> oliver_g1, you've just encountered bug 30307
[19:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30307 in malone "Use terms from duplicate bugs to return originals in searches" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30307
[19:28] <oliver_g1> mpt: yeah exactly
[19:28] <oliver_g1> I would set it to confirmed if it wasn't already :-)
[20:24] <blueyed> You don't get karma anymore for closing bugs from a changelog/sponsored upload?
[20:26] <blueyed> ..because they now seem to get closed by LP Janitor instead.
[20:39] <jelmer> is there a way to merge teams in launchpad?
[20:43] <gmb> jelmer: If you file a request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad an admin should be able to tell you. I don't know for sure that it can be done, though.
[20:44] <jelmer> gmb, ok, thanks
[20:44] <gmb> np.
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177980 in launchpad "branch register should be harder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177980
[22:57] <frenchy> Hi all, I'm trying to `bzr push` my branch but I'm getting "Unable to obtain lock lp--1221006420:///lock".
[22:57] <frenchy> I know exactly why this is ... I killed the push half way through safe in the knowledge that bzr can do atomic transactions.
[22:58] <frenchy> How can I kill the lock?
[23:06] <frenchy> From what I've googled, this does not happen automatically.
[23:12] <soren> frenchy: bzr break-lock
[23:17] <frenchy> soren: Thanks, sorry, I should've checked the man page before google.
[23:17] <soren> frenchy: :)


[00:12] <belkinsa> Meeting in 45 minutes!
[00:37] <skellat> .tock
[00:38] <jenni> IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 110] Connection timed out (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 571, in create_connection)
[00:38] <skellat> Well, that's not good
[00:38] <skellat> .imdb The Interview
[00:38] <jenni> [MOVIE] Title: The Interview | Year: 1998 | Rating: 7.5 | Genre: Thriller, Crime, Drama | IMDB Link: http://imdb.com/title/tt0120714
[00:39] <skellat> Hmm, multiple films by that name
[00:40] <skellat> .twitter<PHONE_NUMBER>87947776
[00:40] <jenni> Reminder to the Academy: thanks to its December release, 'The Interview' is Oscar-eligible #SubmittedForYourConsideration (@iowahawkblog)
[00:41] <skellat> .t EST
[00:41] <jenni> Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:41:55 EST
[00:42] <skellat> Hunh, can provide own time but not US Naval Observatory
[00:42] <belkinsa> Meeting in 15 minutes!
[00:42] <skellat> "Meeting in 15 minutes"?
[00:43]  * skellat notes jenni isn't translating
[00:43] <skellat> :-)
[00:43] <skellat> belkinsa: Did anybody actually RSVP for this?
[00:43] <belkinsa> You and james did.
[00:44] <belkinsa> Not enough people?
[00:44] <skellat> Nah
[00:44] <skellat> We'll roll with it
[00:45] <belkinsa> Good.
[00:45] <belkinsa> Are you chairing?
[00:45] <jenni> oh baby
[00:45] <skellat> I think jenni wants to
[00:45]  * belkinsa *SLAPS jenni*
[00:45] <skellat> But this says I am: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-ohio/927/detail/
[00:45] <jenni> [ Final Meeting for 2014 | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/1JSF4BS
[00:45] <belkinsa> Okay.  Sorry for not doing it on the portal.
[00:46] <skellat> It is oka
[00:46] <skellat> s/oka/okay/
[00:46] <jenni> skellat meant to say: It is okay
[00:47] <skellat> Too many community teams Earth-wide do not use LoCo Team Portal enough
[00:47] <belkinsa> It is because many are (of the active ones) are old school?
[00:48] <skellat> LoCo Council doesn't know
[00:48] <skellat> The Council can't find a common reason
[00:48] <belkinsa> May I ask what other reasons are there?
[00:48] <skellat> They don't like it
[00:48] <skellat> They think it is cumbersome
[00:48] <skellat> They dislike the localization
[00:49] <skellat> They think it lacks flexibility
[00:49] <skellat> And I'm probably forgetting a few
[00:49] <belkinsa> I see and I thinking along those lines.
[00:49] <skellat> The Italians, Greeks, and French are really good at using the portal
[00:51] <skellat> It isn't everybody's favorite but nobody is sure where it should go development-wise
[00:52]  * belkinsa nods
[00:52] <skellat> I'm tempted to say somebody should just do something, present a 'fait accompli', and see how people react then
[00:53] <belkinsa> We have enough issues to deal with to do something.
[00:53] <belkinsa> But I agree, someone gotcha do it.
[00:54] <belkinsa> Meeting in 5 minutes!
[00:56] <skellat> .t HST
[00:56] <jenni> Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:56:39 HST
[00:56] <belkinsa> HST?
[00:56] <skellat> I would rather be in HST...that is to say, Hawaiian Standard Time...
[00:57] <belkinsa> Ah, I figured that was that timezone!
[00:57]  * skellat misses living in the Pacific
[00:57] <belkinsa> Are you not a native Ohioan>
[00:58] <skellat> I am
[00:58] <skellat> I am an Ohio native
[00:58] <skellat> I just liked living in the Pacific Rim
[00:58] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[00:59] <belkinsa> Meeting time
[01:00] <skellat> jrgifford: PING
[01:00] <skellat> .t EST
[01:00] <jenni> Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:00:15 EST
[01:00] <skellat> Okay, this is the last meeting for 2014
[01:00] <skellat> However dissipated and not well attended it may be
[01:01] <jrgifford> skellat: pong
[01:01] <skellat> The agenda can be found on LoCo Team Portal here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-ohio/927/detail/
[01:01] <jenni> [ Final Meeting for 2014 | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/1JSF4BS
[01:01] <skellat> First item: Mailing List
[01:01] <skellat> belkinsa, would you speak to this one?
[01:01] <belkinsa> Sure.
[01:02] <belkinsa> We have two mailing lists: one that we use right now that is on LP and one that is from like 2009(?) on lists.ubuntu.com.  My question is which one should we be using as a team?
[01:02] <belkinsa> LP: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/
[01:02] <jenni> [ Messages by thread : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1xpr1jQ
[01:03] <belkinsa> Other one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-oh
[01:03] <jenni> [ ubuntu-us-oh Info Page ] - https://j.mp/1xpr4vX
[01:03] <belkinsa> The lists.ubuntu.com one that us ran by mailingman
[01:03] <belkinsa> s/us/is
[01:03] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: The lists.ubuntu.com one that is ran by mailingman
[01:04] <belkinsa> I think we need to use the lists on since it's easier to use and to seek out messages than LP.
[01:04] <skellat> Apparently we switched from lists.ubuntu.com to LP in May 2008 according to this message from Jacob Peddicord: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-oh/2008-May/000559.html
[01:04] <jenni> [ UbuntuOhio [!] New Mailing List at Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1xpreUi
[01:05] <skellat> Anyone would be able to subscribe to a lists.ubuntu.com list regardless of LP membership in ~ubuntu-us-ohio
[01:05] <belkinsa> Good point.
[01:05] <jrgifford> For those of us who aren't able to read it, did Jacob cite a reason for moving to LP?
[01:05] <belkinsa> I guess you are right since it's a insiders thing.
[01:05] <jrgifford> (On my phone)
[01:05] <belkinsa> From the message: Hosting the list at Launchpad means that we don't have to deal with the
[01:05] <belkinsa> hassles of Mailman. All a user needs to subscribe to the list is a Launchpad
[01:05] <belkinsa> account, and upon joining the LoCo team, new members will be asked if they
[01:05] <belkinsa> would like to subscribe. This makes things easier overall for managing your
[01:05] <belkinsa> own mailing lists as well if you subscribe to other Launchpad lists.
[01:06] <jrgifford> Ok
[01:06] <jacob> o/ iirc, folks from LP wanted us to give it a run
[01:06] <skellat> jacob: And nowadays it seems like Ohio are the only ones using LP's mailing list function among the community teams...from LoCo Council's perspective
[01:06] <belkinsa> From that message jacob is right and I think is truely is needed for a team that focuses on local events.
[01:07] <jrgifford> So there was nothing inherently wrong with the list.u.c, just "ew mailman"
[01:07] <skellat> Yeah
[01:07] <jacob> skellat: hah. by all means, there's nothing technical from blocking for from using the mailman instance
[01:07] <jrgifford> Just like there is nothing inherently wrong with LP, just "ew LP"
[01:07] <skellat> Yeah
[01:07] <jacob> woah, didn't backspace enough there, but you get what i mean.
[01:08]  * belkinsa agrees with jrgifford
[01:08] <skellat> jacob: It is understood
[01:08] <jacob> (just popping in, i gotta head out for a flight, cheers)
[01:08] <skellat> One doesn't require LP membership in ~ubuntu-us-ohio while the other one does
[01:08] <jrgifford> So my question is this: Is there a reason to go back to list.u.c?
[01:08] <jrgifford> Ok, so that's a reason.
[01:09] <belkinsa> Reading messages and searching is easier.
[01:09] <jrgifford> The follow up is "does this give us a advantage?"
[01:09] <skellat> jrgifford: That is something I am unable to quantify
[01:10] <jrgifford> skellat: ok.
[01:10] <belkinsa> Maybe we should have a vote on the mailing list?
[01:11] <jrgifford> Yes
[01:11] <skellat> Sounds good.
[01:11]  * belkinsa takes the action item.
[01:12] <skellat> Are you writing minutes tonight too?
[01:12] <skellat> s/minutes/meeting summary/
[01:12] <jenni> skellat meant to say: Are you writing meeting summary tonight too?
[01:12] <belkinsa> I could, but I need to go to sleep right after the meeting.  I need to wake up early tomorrow.
[01:12] <skellat> Understood
[01:12] <skellat> Busy retail time of year.
[01:12] <belkinsa> Don't remind me.
[01:13] <skellat> Yes Miss
[01:13] <skellat> Item #2: Twitter Account
[01:13] <belkinsa> ;)
[01:13] <skellat> We still have a Twitter account
[01:13] <skellat> http://twitter.com/UbuntuOhio
[01:13] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Ohio (@UbuntuOhio) | Twitter ] - https://j.mp/1xpsAOV
[01:13] <skellat> Few know it exists
[01:13] <jrgifford> I know. It retweeted me a few times. >_>
[01:13]  * skellat is to blame for that retweeting
[01:14] <belkinsa> It did too before i left,
[01:14] <jrgifford> Ok. So is there something in particular that we should be doing with it?
[01:14] <skellat> The credentials for the account need to be passed around the leadership team
[01:15] <skellat> jrgifford: It is a broadcasting platform.  Using it to shout about what the community team is doing would be a great use.
[01:15] <belkinsa> I remember when they were, but I never had it working for me or never brothered.
[01:15] <jrgifford> Ok. KeepassX is the current recommended way of doing that.
[01:15] <skellat> I'll need to review that post-meeting
[01:16] <skellat> The account also needs a new e-mail address to be tied to
[01:16] <jrgifford> skellat: I can provide a email.
[01:16] <jrgifford> Or we can make a gmail.
[01:17] <skellat> Once I get the new e-mail and we figure out how to get it confirmed to the account, then the password can be reset
[01:17] <skellat> Are we ready to go on to the next item?
[01:17]  * belkinsa nods
[01:18] <belkinsa> Er, ready.
[01:18] <skellat> Item #3: UGJ Vivid Vervet
[01:18] <skellat> As written: February 6-8, 2015. We should hold a rally. Reports to be received as to locations under consideration whether we can find space in a Cleveland locale or if we will pursue the option of a centrally located Ohio State Parks lodge.
[01:18] <skellat> jrgifford, were you able to find a spot?
[01:19] <jrgifford> skellat: so, currently I have tentative ability to have events in a location in Shaker Heights.
[01:19] <jrgifford> I just need to talk to them about that particular date
[01:19] <skellat> What location in particular?
[01:20] <jrgifford> The Shaker LaunchHouse
[01:20] <jrgifford> It's a startup incubator
[01:20] <jrgifford> Gigabit
[01:20]  * belkinsa knows where it is.
[01:20] <jrgifford> Projector, fair amount of space.
[01:20] <skellat> I'm assuming it is this thing: http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVjxMCZ5Un58AE5cPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1419672013/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.launchhouse.com%2f/RK=0/RS=XDwFgfmdU78ssJnk_YStiMHWqsE-
[01:20] <jenni> https://j.mp/1xptwCX
[01:20] <skellat> Hmm
[01:20] <jrgifford> Yeah, them.
[01:20] <belkinsa> http://www.launchhouse.com/
[01:20] <jenni> [ LaunchHouse | Seed Capital Fund & Business Accelerator ] - https://j.mp/1xptAT2
[01:21] <jrgifford> Free/minimal cost.
[01:21] <skellat> Did anybody do a quick check of MapQuest or Google Maps to see what rough routes looked like from Columbus or Cincinnati to the LaunchHouse?
[01:21] <belkinsa> I checked for Cinci.
[01:21] <jrgifford> skellat: basically you go north. It kinda sucks. :-/
[01:21] <belkinsa> Too far, 4 hour drive.
[01:22] <jrgifford> But that's the problem with any sort of location other than Columbus.
[01:22] <skellat> As it is said in real estate...location, location, location
[01:22] <skellat> Ashtabula to the site: http://mapq.st/1vi8uP5
[01:22] <jenni> [ MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map ] - ALREADY_A_BITLY_LINK
[01:22] <belkinsa> And we don't have that many active people also.
[01:23] <jrgifford> True belkinsa
[01:23] <belkinsa> I feel like doing on is pointless if only two will come.
[01:23] <belkinsa> Or even just one.
[01:23] <skellat> And here is Columbus to the site: http://mapq.st/1xptZ87
[01:23] <jenni> [ MapQuest Maps - Driving Directions - Map ] - ALREADY_A_BITLY_LINK
[01:23] <skellat> 2 hours and 17 minutes isn't too bad
[01:24] <jrgifford> Then perhaps we should have a Ubuntu hour type event in our local areas?
[01:24] <belkinsa> Heh, dunno.
[01:24] <skellat> This one would be another poll
[01:24]  * belkinsa nods
[01:24] <skellat> Split it into a northern site/southern site date
[01:24] <skellat> OR
[01:25] <skellat> How about one of the state lodges?
[01:25] <belkinsa> That works.
[01:25] <belkinsa> And we also need to know who may be coming.
[01:25] <skellat> belkinsa, which state lodge looks most central?
[01:25] <belkinsa> What is the link again?
[01:25] <belkinsa> Nevermind
[01:26] <skellat> http://www.ohiostateparklodges.com/our-lodges/
[01:27] <belkinsa> Give me a few minutes, we can move on though
[01:27] <jenni> [ Plan Your Trip, Ohio State Park State Park Getaway | Ohio State Park Lodge, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1xpuvD2
[01:27] <skellat> We would have to draw on the Community Budget for this
[01:27] <skellat> If we went to a lodge
[01:28] <jrgifford> True
[01:28] <belkinsa> Would this one work: http://www.saltforkstateparklodge.com/planning-your-trip-to-salt-fork/salt-fork-driving-directions/
[01:28] <belkinsa> http://www.saltforkstateparklodge.com/planning-your-trip-to-salt-fork/salt-fork-driving-directions/
[01:28] <jenni> [ Driving Directions - Salt Fork State Park Lodge rooms and cabins near Cambridge, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1BdMWYv
[01:28] <jenni> [ Driving Directions - Salt Fork State Park Lodge rooms and cabins near Cambridge, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/1BdMWYv
[01:28] <jrgifford> But given our history of not drawing on it, we might be ok.
[01:28] <skellat> belkinsa: That's out near Zanesville
[01:28] <belkinsa> What about Deer Creak?
[01:29] <skellat> Deer Creek is closest to Columbus
[01:29] <belkinsa> And to Cinci, it seems
[01:29] <belkinsa> Er, Dayton.
[01:30] <skellat> Mt. Sterling is outside Columbus
[01:30] <skellat> I was up for consideration for a job there once
[01:30] <skellat> jrgifford: What do you think?
[01:31] <jrgifford> skellat I'm still carless and licenseless, so I'm not really in a position to say much.
[01:31] <skellat> jrgifford: Understandable
[01:32] <belkinsa> I think we should not do one if it's only going to me and skellat.
[01:32] <jrgifford> But there's only the 3 of us here
[01:32] <belkinsa> Wait, skellat aren't not able to do anything in Feb due to your job?
[01:32] <belkinsa> Duh.
[01:32] <skellat> I can always travel on weekends
[01:32] <belkinsa> Okay
[01:32] <jrgifford> If we publish details, then we will have the potential to find others
[01:32] <belkinsa> Aye.
[01:32] <skellat> And if the threatened reduction-in-force happens...I'll have plenty of time on my hands...
[01:33] <belkinsa> We just need a time.
[01:34] <belkinsa> And day
[01:34] <skellat> Saturday
[01:34] <belkinsa> That works.
[01:34] <skellat> Travel down Friday, spend night
[01:34] <skellat> Do stuff Saturday
[01:34] <skellat> Spend night Saturday
[01:34] <skellat> Go home Sunday
[01:34]  * skellat was just checking if there was a congregation in the area I could visit for services on a Sunday morning
[01:35] <skellat> http://churchzip.com/?lat=39.7195054&lng=-83.26519259999998&inputbox=Mt+Sterling%2C+OH%2C+United+States&Submit=ChurchZip+Search
[01:35] <jenni> [ ChurchZip ] - https://j.mp/1BdNZYr
[01:35] <belkinsa> I can get there in 1.5 hours from where I live.
[01:35] <jrgifford> Ok. So there's the schedule for it.
[01:37] <skellat> Leaving from work...it would be about 3 hours driving down I-71
[01:38] <skellat> So it is doable
[01:38] <jrgifford> Cool.
[01:38] <belkinsa> \o/
[01:38] <skellat> I say throw it out there as an idea for further discussion with the skeleton we've got formed now
[01:39] <skellat> Any objection?
[01:39] <belkinsa> None for me.
[01:39] <jrgifford> None
[01:39] <skellat> Are we ready for the not-so-happy item?
[01:39] <belkinsa> Yes.
[01:40] <jrgifford> I guess.
[01:40] <skellat> Item #4: Leadership Transition
[01:40] <skellat> Relevant blog post: http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2014/12/62-reluctantly-facing-change
[01:40] <jenni> [ Reluctantly Facing Change ] - https://j.mp/1BdOMZB
[01:40] <skellat> From the blog post:
[01:40] <skellat> Based upon verbal and written orders received early Tuesday, I will be heading back to work soon for some not so nice people. Current "operational security" and "force protection" alerts have been warning staff to minimize their online presences and to get very antisocial for the sake of their own self-preservation.  I have to figure out ho
[01:40] <skellat> w to square such with being able to live a healthy life.
[01:40] <skellat> Also:
[01:40] <skellat> The last regular item on the agenda for the meeting will be discussing the transition of leadership for Ubuntu Ohio. We will certainly be putting in motion actions to have an excellent Ubuntu Global Jam for the Vivid Vervet cycle. The pressures of work in an environment that is going to be a bit overheated in contrast to when I was laid off will mean I cannot plan our Jam let alone lead it. The Ubuntu Code of Conduct calls for stepping down
[01:40] <skellat> considerately and we're shooting to have new leadership in place to start calendar year 2015.
[01:41] <skellat> From the agenda item:
[01:41] <skellat> Due to circumstances beyond his control, Stephen Michael Kellat appears required to stand down as Leader and Point of Contact for Ubuntu Ohio. This is prompted by his conditions of employment as a federal civil servant. We must discuss the way forward.
[01:41] <skellat> Where do we want to start with this?
[01:42] <jrgifford> We nominate belkinsa as our benevolent dictator?
[01:42] <skellat> How many hats is belkinsa wearing these days?
[01:42] <belkinsa> Mind reader.
[01:42] <belkinsa> skellat, more than enough.
[01:43] <belkinsa> I was thinking of us three doing it as a team.
[01:43] <skellat> Okay
[01:43] <skellat> There's been a year to prepare for that
[01:43] <skellat> Sadly Unit193/JackFrost is not here at the moment
[01:43] <jrgifford> A council? That could work.
[01:44]  * belkinsa nods
[01:44] <skellat> Do the two of you want to talk it over with Unit193?
[01:45] <belkinsa> Yes.
[01:45] <jrgifford> We can send him an email, yes
[01:45] <skellat> In short, work is being goofy
[01:45] <skellat> I'm not even officially back yet
[01:45] <belkinsa> Want the action item, jrgifford?
[01:45] <jrgifford> belkinsa: sure.
[01:45] <belkinsa> Thanks
[01:45] <belkinsa> Don't forget it CC it to me.
[01:45] <jrgifford> K
[01:46] <skellat> The written orders, supplemented by the verbal ones, noted that there is a bit of a security nightmare going on
[01:46] <skellat> Apparently phablets are not the cool thing if you like to get through security quickly
[01:46] <skellat> I'm not sure how much higher the sensitivity of the magnetometers can be set, though
[01:46] <jrgifford> skellat: hah
[01:47] <skellat> People are already taking off belts and shoes that have too much metal in them
[01:47] <skellat> If it comes down to tooth fillings setting it off...
[01:47] <skellat> Or a gnat farting in the general vicinity...
[01:47] <jrgifford> The aerodrome security certainly has that covered ;-)
[01:48] <skellat> On the Monday I go back to work I'm going to be up at 5 AM to be at the building by 7 AM to clear through security to be in my seat by 8 AM to work until 4:45 PM and then get home by 7-7:30 PM.
[01:49] <jrgifford> Funnnn
[01:49] <skellat> 14.5 hours related to job and travel just aren't that great for having a life
[01:50] <skellat> It will ease up after we get our credentials back but...well...not by much.
[01:50] <jrgifford> Totally get that. Any further things on the agenda
[01:51] <skellat> I don't have any other business.  Do you belkinsa?
[01:52] <belkinsa> I don't have any, well, just a comment about the jam.  I might provide the computer that we can use to present stuff.
[01:52] <skellat> Okay
[01:52] <belkinsa> s/the/a
[01:52] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: I don't have any, well, just a comment about a jam.  I might provide the computer that we can use to present stuff.
[01:52] <skellat> Saw your blog post about your new quiet system.
[01:53] <belkinsa> But we can figure that out when the time gets near.
[01:53] <skellat> Alrighty, I think the meeting is FINISHED
[01:53] <belkinsa> Let's close it!
[01:54] <jrgifford> Fin
[01:54] <PCLine_> Good evening.
[01:54] <skellat> Good evening
[01:56] <belkinsa> o/ PCLine_
[01:57] <PCLine_> Looks like its been busy in here tonight.
[01:57] <belkinsa> We had a meeting
[01:58] <PCLine_> Did the meeting go well?
[01:58] <belkinsa> It did.
[02:03] <PCLine_> Sorry I missed it.  Dont think I would have been much help.
[02:03] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[02:41] <belkinsa> jrgifford and skellat: Minutes posted: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/12/26/final-meeting-of-the-year-for-ubuntu-ohio/
[02:41] <jenni> [ Final Meeting of the Year for Ubuntu Ohio | Ubuntu Sense ] - https://j.mp/1xpExEa
[02:41] <belkinsa> And Poll posted: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-ohio/msg01465.html
[02:42] <jenni> [ [POLL]Which Mailing-List We Should Use. : Mailing list archive : ubuntu-us-ohio team in Launchpad ] - https://j.mp/1xpEAQf
[02:42] <belkinsa> And I'm out.
[02:42] <belkinsa> Night all.
[19:34] <belkinsa> I will put something else in that space soon.