[01:07] <ojwb> is the "Estimated build start" time in the PPA rather unreliable?
[01:07]  * ojwb has a build which was reporting 30-60 minutes for a while, and now seems to be perpetually "in 1 hour"
[01:10] <ojwb> (queued 16 hours ago btw)
[01:22] <MTecknology> is launchpad down?
[01:22] <lifeless> the ponoko stuff?
[01:23] <MTecknology> just launchpad.net
[01:24] <ojwb> no
[01:24] <MTecknology> hrm
[01:25] <MTecknology> ojwb: could you tell me how long I've been a member of the ~loco-drupal-dev team?
[01:25] <MTecknology> nope - I'm there
[01:25] <ojwb> you can see it now?
[01:25] <MTecknology> ya
[01:26] <lifeless> MTecknology: sorry, ECHANNEL for my comment
[01:39] <MTecknology> odd - it looks like some of my karma dropped
[01:40] <MTecknology> musta been last years work that dropped off
[01:47] <MTecknology> kiko-afk: ping
[02:39] <mrooney> What is the easiest way to build and upload my source, if debian/ is maintained there as well?
[02:39] <mrooney> It seems like it should be a one or two liner but I am not finding anything online at first glance
[02:41] <mrooney> and by upload I mean to a PPA
[02:46] <mwhudson> mrooney: there's something called autoppa
[02:47] <mrooney> mwhudson: that sounds fun and exciting, let me look it up!
[02:52] <mrooney> mwhudson: so at the end it says it opens up an editor for the changes, what changes would that be? Aren't they already in debian/changelog?
[02:53] <mwhudson> mrooney: i don't know anything more about autoppa than the name, sorry
[02:54] <mrooney> ah okay, thanks :)
[08:13] <ne1uno> launchpad.net search has no buttons? is that a design decision?
[08:15] <ne1uno> anti mouse?
[09:30] <kiko-afk> MTecknology, yo
[09:32] <mpt> wgrant, I was growling more at the bug's existence, not the bug report's :-)
[09:35] <wgrant> mpt: Ah, good.
[09:35]  * wgrant phews.
[09:36]  * wgrant phews.
[09:37]  * wgrant curses KDE4 a bit.
[09:39] <mpt> If your IRC client used a slightly darker background for the channel transcript whenever you're not scrolled to the bottom, that would pretty much prevent that problem
[09:41] <wgrant> mpt: No, that was an "I'm going to pretend that I'm ignoring your keypresses for a while because you unplugged the power, then switch windows a bit and misinterpret them" bug.
[09:44] <mpt> ah, I have that problem in other OSes
[09:52] <mpt> "The tag notify-osd hasn't been used by pidgin-libnotify (Ubuntu) before. Is this a new tag?" ... I want a "No, it's not a new tag, I've been using it for several other packages in Ubuntu already" button
[11:24] <mpt> oh, the accept button is *above* the cancel button now? that's new
[11:24] <mpt> hm, maybe that's just for long bug titles
[11:25] <beuno> mpt, that sounds like a bug
[11:25] <beuno> I can asure you it's far from intentional  :)
[11:53] <juanje> hi guys, may I ask you a question about the new bug tracking registration?
[11:55] <juanje> I'm working at Guadalinex distro (an Ubuntu derivated distro) and we have mantis for the bug tracking. We have a lot of users and they apply the bugs there.
[11:55] <beuno> juanje, sure
[11:56] <juanje> I already added the mantis to the launchpad, but I don't see any bugs and I don't know if I have to do someting else (create a lp user in aour mantis, contect with specific product, or something)
[11:56] <juanje> beuno: thanks :-)
[11:56] <beuno> juanje, what is it you want to do?
[11:57] <beuno> get all bugs synced between projects?
[11:57] <juanje> at least a way to see the bug from lp and be able to connect as upstream
[11:58] <beuno> juanje, so you want to see the mantis bugs in launchpad, or the launchpad bugs in mantis?
[11:58]  * beuno pokes gmb
[11:58] <juanje> matis bugs in lp
[11:59] <gmb> wsfgn
[11:59]  * gmb reads scrollback
[11:59] <beuno> juanje, I *think* that if you want that to happen automatically, you need a plugin,
[11:59] <beuno> but gmb will know more about this, he's our resident expert
[12:00] <juanje> beuno: :-) interesting
[12:01] <gmb> juanje: So, at the moment Launchpad can't automatically pull bugs in from Mantis.
[12:01] <gmb> We can sync statuses with remote bugs if you create a bug watch against an upstream bug.
[12:01] <gmb> But nothing more than that.
[12:01] <juanje> gmb: a bug watch?
[12:02] <juanje> ummm
[12:02] <gmb> juanje: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BugWatches
[12:02] <juanje> gmb: But I did create a bug tracker for mantis on launchpad. What is that for?
[12:03] <juanje> I thoung it was for that
[12:03] <gmb> juanje: You having done that allows people to link to bugs on that bug tracker.
[12:03] <juanje> ohhhhhh
[12:03] <gmb> juanje: But at the moment our support for Mantis is limited.
[12:03] <juanje> ok
[12:04] <juanje> well, I think is enough by now
[12:04] <gmb> Ok.
[12:05] <juanje> gmb: it could be nice to see the bugs from the mantis, but I guess this is enough to connect the ubuntu bugs and guadalinex bugs and fix for both
[12:05] <juanje> gmb, beuno: thanks :-)
[12:06] <gmb> juanje: np. Yes, that would be nice. Unfortunately at the moment there's no way for us to import the bugs from a Mantis instance without potentially DoSing the Mantis instance.
[12:06] <beuno> juanje, of course, you guys are more than welcome to use launchpad as your bug tracker  ;)
[12:09] <juanje> beuno: actually we're going to use the launchpad bug tracker (and more lp stuff) for the development itself, but the mantis is more for the users (which usually are no technical people and doesn't know English) and we can't leave
[12:10] <juanje> btw, we are moving a lot of things to launchpad because we like to collaborate more with Ubuntu and be closer to the development
[12:11] <beuno> juanje, that sounds great. Please let us know if we can help with anything
[12:11] <juanje> but we depend to the government (this is a gorvernment distro and for a lot of users, schools, libraries and so on) so we can't do whatever we want and like
[12:11] <juanje> beuno:  actually, we need to know the better way to do that
[12:12] <juanje> we already ask for a distro registration
[12:12] <juanje> and we have created team for members and drivers
[12:12] <juanje> and we have started to move some project from the gforge to the launchpad
[12:12] <juanje> and from svn to bazaar
[12:13] <juanje> we like to do the better we can, so the improvements can get to upstream (you ;-) ) easily
[12:13] <beuno> juanje, feel free to shoot any specific questions at me via email, and I'll be happy to get you through the process<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:13] <beuno> puede ser en español tambien  ;)
[12:13] <juanje> beuno: genial :-P
[12:15] <rcmorano>  lol
[12:15] <rcmorano> ;>
[13:28] <Daviey> Getting "Please try again, Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.  Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.  Thanks for your patience.
[13:28] <Daviey> "
[13:30] <Daviey> (trying to access a loggerhead, been like that for nearly 10 mins)
[13:32] <beuno> Daviey, what URL?
[13:32] <beuno> herb, ^
[13:37] <Daviey> beuno: it's magically come back :)
[13:38] <beuno> Daviey, maybe herb had something to do with that
[13:38] <Daviey> :), if it was - thanks herb
[13:45] <savvas> 254 requests Wget/1.11.4, 48 requests Wget/1.10.2 the last 5 days - launchpad-ppa-fix.pl is quite a hit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1056099 :P
[15:26] <MTecknology> kiko-afk: you missed the approval meetings
[15:31] <MTecknology> mrevell: ping
[15:31] <mrevell> MTecknology: Hey there, sorry I wasn't around the other evening ... it's been a really odd week for me.
[15:31] <MTecknology> busy?
[15:33] <MTecknology> mrevell: do you know if next wednesday same time will work?
[15:33] <mrevell> MTecknology: tbh any UTC evening is really difficult for me right now. Let me see if I can get one of the other guys, nearer your timezone, to do it
[15:34] <MTecknology> lol, ok
[15:57] <MTecknology> mrevell: If I just let you try to find someone that will schedule a time with me, shall I continue to bug you, or just wait for a response?
[16:01] <mrevell> MTecknology: It's on my list, so I will get someone :)
[16:02] <MTecknology> ok
[16:03] <MTecknology> mrevell: Do you know how I go about getting my own little place in the planet?
[16:03] <mrevell> MTecknology: Did your Ubuntu membership go through?
[16:03] <MTecknology> yup
[16:04] <MTecknology> I was added to te team too
[16:04] <mrevell> MTecknology: Cool. The Planet Ubuntu instructions are here:
[16:10] <MTecknology> mrevell: that was descriptive, but I found it - thanks
[16:11] <mrevell> MTecknology: heh, sorry, I got distracted.
[16:12] <MTecknology> :P
[16:18] <MTecknology> mrevell: oh - what about the email addy?
[16:20] <mrevell> MTecknology: What email addy? I'm gonna be afk for a few mins.
[16:20] <MTecknology> mrevell: @ubuntu.com
[16:24] <andrea-bs> MTecknology: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[16:25] <MTecknology> andrea-bs: thanks
[16:26] <MTecknology> andrea-bs: so I just wait for it to be created by a script?
[16:27] <andrea-bs> MTecknology: yes, just wait :)
[16:53] <v1mm3r> is there a way to upload files to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu or does one use the text box to copy in info?
[16:54] <MTecknology> v1mm3r: not that I know of
[16:54] <MTecknology> You'd need to convert it to a bug for that
[16:55] <v1mm3r> 'cause pasting in a huge file causes it to timeout. will check more. thanks.
[16:55] <v1mm3r> its not a bug right now. its in the 'answers' category
[16:56] <MTecknology> pastebin?
[16:56] <v1mm3r> specifically i was trying to copy 130144 lines
[16:57] <MTecknology> use pastebin for that if it needs to stay an answer
[16:58] <v1mm3r> thanks will look into that avenue. perhaps it is just a n/w issue on ubuntu's end.
[18:15] <gotgenes> Is there a sandbox area for Launchpad where I can give a tutorial and have people in the "class" play with LP and Bazaar live?
[18:15] <beuno> gotgenes, sure, staging.launchpad.net
[18:16] <gotgenes> Or is it okay to create projects for instruction?
[18:16] <gotgenes> beuno: Ah, fantastic!
[18:16] <gotgenes> That's exactly what I was looking for!
[19:48] <slytherin> can any of the launchpad admin please remove Mr. Robert Hall from bug 330684? I don't understand why is it so hard to unsubscribe.
[20:42] <Goundy> guys: bzr update says tree is up to date (rev 42)
[20:43] <Goundy> but when I visit my loggerhead well there's a 43rev
[20:43] <Goundy> wtf ?
[20:47] <matsubara> Goundy, bzr pull
[20:48] <Goundy> matsubara yes thanks !
[20:49] <matsubara> np
[21:37] <mrooney> Is the keyserver dead or something equivalent?
[21:38] <mrooney> I need to add keys for PPAs but any requests to actually obtain the keys seems to hang
[21:44] <vadi2> There is one Swedish translator going about and filing bug reports in every single project, saying to close the open translations because someone messed up the swedish ones
[21:45] <vadi2> Which just makes it harder for everyone else to translate - perhaps you could look at the original poor swedish translator to begin with.
[21:45] <vadi2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~yeager
[21:46] <vadi2> ops, not all. just many of the ones that I'm affiliated with: http://ur1.ca/1ssp
[21:48] <Nafallo> vadi2: the "original poor swedish translator" does most of his work upstream. he's normally very sane in his judgements.
[21:49] <vadi2> can this guy be warned about this then? having to register in yet another place is a setback for the random internet translator
[21:49] <Nafallo> and he's idle 7h...
[21:50] <Nafallo> vadi2: I asked him to join, but he's not likely to be at a computer.
[22:54] <Crewsr3_3> Is is just me or is the launchpad server having a hard time keeping up.  I keep getting the "Please try again" pag
[22:56] <mrooney> Can anyone give me some PPA upload advice? I have a package accepted in Jaunty, and I want to have a Gutsy-Intrepid PPA. What do I need to change in the packaging to accomplish this? I keep getting rejections from launchpad
[22:56] <Ursinha> Crewsr3_3, which is the address you're getting that?
[22:57] <Crewsr3_3> http://www.mibbit.com/url/zMOyUE
[22:58] <bigjools> mrooney: you can either: 1. copy the package to those series in your PPA, 2. upload a newer version
[23:00] <mrooney> bigjools: how do I copy a package to a PPA?
[23:00] <bigjools> mrooney: click the "copy packages" link on the right hand side
[23:02] <bigjools> then select the same PPA, but with the new series you need. also select "copy existing binaries"
[23:03] <slangasek> hi, has it been discussed already here that LP is timing out with alarming frequency?
[23:03] <Crewsr3_3> Ursinha   Is are the servers stressed?
[23:03] <slangasek>  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[23:03] <slangasek> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[23:03] <slangasek> and if so, should this be mentioned in the /topic?
[23:03] <Crewsr3_3> looks Like I'm not the only one
[23:04] <joey> ok, so I'm not the only one reporting this
[23:04] <Ursinha> slangasek, edge?
[23:04] <joey> that's good.
[23:04] <slangasek> Ursinha: no
[23:05] <bdmurray> I'm on edge and seeing it
[23:06] <slangasek> fwiw, Chris Cheney was reporting problems over a half hour ago on #ubuntu-devel, but I wasn't seeing any problems at the time
[23:06] <joey> I had the same issue on Edge.  We have an OSA looking into it
[23:07] <slangasek> there seems to be a pattern that it more commonly affects updates to LP rather than just views, but bdmurray says he also just hit it trying to view a bug, so
[23:09] <mrooney> bigjools: okay, this looks good. Does it mean anything to copy from "This PPA" to "The same series" ?
[23:09] <mrooney> that combination of choices confuses me
[23:09] <bigjools> mrooney: that will fail
[23:09] <bigjools> obviously :)
[23:09] <mrooney> oh okay that would just be a no-op, right?
[23:09] <mrooney> it seems like maybe that should be grayed out in that case or something
[23:10] <joey> slangasek, bdmurray, et al - we have a restore running which might cause it. I've asked to have that nuked to see if that's causing the issues
[23:10] <slangasek> ok
[23:10] <bigjools> mrooney: yes, we'll be adding some JS validation there at some point
[23:10] <bdmurray> joey: it be good to have launchpad behaving well for the global bug jam
[23:10] <bdmurray> it would be ;-)
[23:10] <joey> bdmurray, yah.
[23:11] <joey> bdmurray, This normally runs at this time and per the OSA it doesn't appear out of the ordinary but we could find no other cause
[23:11] <mrooney> bigjools: Cool. So there is no way to tell the PPA that it works on say, Gutsy - Jaunty right, I need to copy it for each one?
[23:11] <slangasek> joey: still seeing the error currently
[23:11] <joey> bdmurray, so, we're going to kill it and see if it's really the cause.
[23:11] <bigjools> mrooney: the PPA just reacts to whatever you've uploaded or copied
[23:12] <joey> slangasek, bdmurray, et al - the process is killed. If you still see any issues after 23:17 please ping here
[23:12] <joey> which is 5 mins from now
[23:12] <mrooney> bigjools: but I mean, it is normal to have the same identical package listed separately for each series? I just wanted to double check that
[23:12] <mrooney> bigjools: ie does this look...right? https://edge.launchpad.net/~mrooney/+archive/ppa
[23:13] <bigjools> mrooney: yes that's normal, it's a separate publication in your repository's indexes
[23:13] <mrooney> bigjools: ooh I see the Intrepid one is "pending", so the older Intrepid one will be superseded and disappear then, correct?
[23:13] <bigjools> mrooney: yep
[23:13] <mrooney> bigjools: excellent, thanks for your help!!!
[23:14] <bigjools> mrooney: welcome!
[23:18] <mifritscher> hi
[23:18] <mifritscher> seems that Launchpad has problems - very slow and sometimes I get a "can not create a connection try again later"
[23:18] <joey> hi mifritscher - we just did something that might make that better
[23:19] <joey> mifritscher, let me know if you see any problems from now on
[23:20] <joey> slangasek, bdmurray - ok now?
[23:20] <joey> I was getting them ever 30 secs or so.  No more here locally
[23:20] <slangasek> joey: haven't had occasion to do much that would exercise it
[23:21] <slangasek> but the few page loads I've done are ok
[23:22] <bdmurray> joey: I just got a try again
[23:22] <bdmurray> and again
[23:22] <joey> bdmurray, all different pages?
[23:23] <bdmurray> yes, two different bug pages
[23:23] <joey> mine were on registry and branches earlier....
[23:23]  * joey ponders.
[23:27] <usuario> nao consigo ver os filmes
[23:27] <ccarey> I have a GPL'ed skin I would like to add into Audacious that is packaged for Ubuntu. How should I proceed? Who should I talk to?
[23:28] <mrooney> bigjools: oh no, trying to install the jaunty -> intrepid package I get "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python-central", could this be something I have done wrong in copying or in packaging?
[23:28] <ccarey> http://sublimespot.com/graphics/skins/winamp/
[23:28] <mifritscher> joey - sorry, still have the problem
[23:28] <joey> mifritscher, ok thanks for the confirmation.
[23:29] <joey> We're still looking into the situation.
[23:30] <savvas> who's katie? https://launchpad.net/~katie
[23:30] <savvas> says "Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync"
[23:32] <savvas> that's weird, I don't remember adding them at bug 242965
[23:32] <Ursinha> crap
[23:33] <savvas> launchpad is having random problems with site requests
[23:34] <Ursinha> yes, it is
[23:34] <Ursinha> we're investigating
[23:34] <savvas> must be the global bug jam :)
[23:34] <bdmurray> here's hoping!
[23:37] <joey> So it appears we know why the timeout screen is being displayed
[23:37] <joey> we're still investigating what's causing the situation to occur though
[23:38] <maxb> savvas: the Debian archive management software is called katie, I guess the name was borrowed for the launchpad codename for the autosyncer for nostalgia :-)
[23:39] <savvas> maxb: the weird thing is that it says that I subscribed that username: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/sqliteodbc/+bug/242965/+activity
[23:40] <savvas> (lies! :P) - To be frank, I can't really remember if I've done that


[08:47] <cjwatson> srwarren: Yes, the backlog estimation is often, uh, a bit of a guess.  I see your stuff has built now though
[09:22] <sunweaver> cjwatson: thanks for the LP info. Much appreciated.
[15:13] <ogra> hrm ... i'm trying to use copy-package for copying some source debs to hirsute-proposed from a private ppa ... is there any magic required that i dont remember anymore (havent done this for years) to make copy-package actually recognize the source PPA ?
[15:14] <ogra> i'm just ending up with a "AssertionError: No such archive" error
[15:18] <ogra> (do i need any special credentials somewhere to make it recognized ?)
[15:42] <cjwatson> ogra: More likely you got the command line wrong.  Could you /msg it to me?
[15:43] <ogra> cjwatson, all good ... i missed to add /ubuntu between owner and PPA name
[15:43] <cjwatson> OK
[15:43] <ogra> just found that this second 🙂
[15:53] <ogra> (and thanks for replying)


[13:56] <dpm> hi mhall119, I was just reading comment #19 on http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/04/how-to-create-a-wikipedia-unity-lens-for-ubuntu/ - do you think there is any step we should add to the tutorial to improve the lens' installation?
[13:58] <mhall119> dpm: there seems to be a misunderstanding about what the tutorial is meant to produce
[13:59] <mhall119> maybe we can add some wording that it sets things up for local development only, not installing it for everyday use
[13:59] <mhall119> and also a bit about using Quickly to turn it into an installable package than *is* appropriate for everyday use
[13:59] <mhall119> I was afraid of this, "quickly install" is being confused with "make install"
[14:00] <mhall119> but I'm not sure of a better wording
[14:01] <mhall119> maybe "addlens" and "removelens"?
[14:01] <mhall119> that'll require a change to quickly though
[14:16] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, I think I'll add a paragraph with the comment on it being for local development
[14:17] <dpm> in terms of quickly changes, I think adding the new commands to the templates might be a good idea. But since we cannot add them for 12.04, I wonder if I should just mention 'quickly package' - will the packaging work with the lens template?
[14:19] <mhall119> I believe so
[14:19] <dpm> cool
[14:28] <mhall119> dpm: what are your thoughts on adding Geany to the list of IDEs on the developer portal?
[14:30] <mhall119> I know we brought up the fact that it isn't in Main, but then again neither is Eclipse, MonoDevelop or even QTCreator
[14:35] <dpm> mhall119, as discussed, I'd be for keeping the site simple for now. While choice is an asset in Ubuntu, it can also be too daunting if we present too many choices. We went through a lot of discussion as to which IDEs we would present on so http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/, and we reached consensus on those. Note that we didn't add Anjuta, either. Re: universe, good point, I hadn't realised myself that qtcreator was in universe, but my main c
[14:35] <dpm> oncern is not to clutter the site with all available options. One thing we could conceibably do is to add a note under the resources site (IIRC we've got an IDE section), but I'd prefer not to add it to the get-started page
[14:36] <mhall119> ok


[16:57] <Muscovy> Good day, all.
[16:57] <barrydrake> hi
[16:57] <Muscovy> I'm going to start the meeting now, as I'm afraid I have little time.
[16:57] <MadnessRed> hi
[16:57] <barrydrake> ok
[16:58] <Muscovy> barrydrake, Crisco MadnessRed MichealH Omega Silasle
[16:58] <Muscovy> First, perhaps, the release version of focus.
[16:58] <Muscovy> I think we should skip over natty and go straight to oneric, as not to double-do unity sections.
[16:59] <Muscovy> Sound reasonable?
[16:59] <barrydrake> yes
[16:59] <MadnessRed> yh
[16:59] <Silasle> Yes
[16:59] <Muscovy> Ok.
[16:59] <barrydrake> oneiric is looking quite a bit different now from Natty
[17:00] <MadnessRed> ok
[17:00] <Muscovy> This is a rather free-form meeting, so does anyone have any topics?
[17:00] <Muscovy> Questions/concerns/ideas, etc.
[17:00] <barrydrake> my first meeting here, so I'm lurking
[17:00] <Muscovy> Welcome. :)
[17:01] <Muscovy> Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch?
[17:01] <Muscovy> ...:O
[17:01] <Muscovy> Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch?
[17:01] <Muscovy> It's been stable for a long time, from my experience.
[17:02] <MadnessRed> yh,
[17:02] <MadnessRed> we just need people to convert the tours to the new branch
[17:02] <Muscovy> Ok, that can be done.
[17:03] <Muscovy> In the next week or so I need to get going on tour completion.
[17:03] <MichealH> #startmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Aug 14 17:03:21 2011 UTC.  The chair is MichealH. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[17:03] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[17:03] <MichealH> #chair Muscovy
[17:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: MichealH Muscovy
[17:03] <MichealH> Go ahead
[17:03] <Muscovy> We've got lots of tours that are 3/4ths done.
[17:03] <Muscovy> Oh thanks, MichealH.
[17:03] <MichealH> Anytime
[17:04] <MichealH> !hi | everyone
[17:04] <TourBot> everyone: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-tour! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[17:04] <MichealH> ubottu db FTW
[17:04] <MichealH> :)
[17:04] <Muscovy> Not sure about other editors, but I tend to get lost when I don't know what needs doing, so I'll get a list together soon.
[17:04] <Muscovy> For those who haven't seen, MadnessRed has a really cool new thing set up, that lets you click parts of the UI to open pages about that part.
[17:05] <Muscovy> Great for explaining Unity and eventually more applications.
[17:06] <Muscovy> Oh, and I'll also get back on the PPA again.
[17:06] <Muscovy> Sorry again that I've been kinda dead, I've been really busy this year. :P
[17:06] <MadnessRed> no problem, I think we all have
[17:06] <MadnessRed> ok, just going back to an earlier point, should I change the "Development focus" to "ubuntu-tour developement"
[17:07] <MadnessRed> at the moment lp:ubuntu-tour is the old natty branch
[17:09] <Muscovy> What I figured was change natty to be oneric, and merge the new things in from development.
[17:09] <Muscovy> If I remember correctly, we originally made development because it was unstable.
[17:10] <Muscovy> Merging might be tricky. By the look of things people have been editing both branches for content.
[17:10] <MadnessRed> Problem is that development and natty are very differnt
[17:10] <MadnessRed> development has a different language and tour system
[17:11] <Muscovy> Right.
[17:11] <Muscovy> Should we make a converting tool or just do it manually?
[17:12] <Muscovy> I could adapt them, it doesn't seem too difficult.
[17:12] <MadnessRed> What I would suggest is that we work on the development branch, then once a new version is released we branch devevlopement to that codename
[17:13] <MadnessRed> eg we work on development now, once oineric is released, we branch development to oineric, the development branch then has code updates and tour updates for p___ and any tour cahnges for oineric can be made in that branch
[17:16] <Muscovy> Sure.
[17:18] <MadnessRed> kl
[17:18] <MadnessRed> how are we doing for authors?
[17:18] <MadnessRed> that are still around and contributing?
[17:18] <Muscovy> We're low.
[17:18] <Muscovy> Once I can get a TODO list, we need to get more members.
[17:19] <Muscovy> We've basically had contributors slowly dropping out of the project.
[17:19] <MadnessRed> I can sort out another post on OMG!Ubuntu!
[17:19] <Muscovy> That'd be great!
[17:19] <Muscovy> Let's just wait until we know what needs doing though.
[17:19] <MadnessRed> but I think we need to get a few more of the basic tours sorted first
[17:19] <Muscovy> Remember the chaos when we first started and everyone was all over the place? :)
[17:20] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[17:20] <MadnessRed> yh, we need to know what needs doing
[17:20] <MadnessRed> probably have empty tours set up
[17:20] <Muscovy> I'll also get going on the Unity one, that's really important.
[17:20] <Muscovy> Yeah, and have better documentation than last time.
[17:20] <Muscovy> So everyone knows how to write, edit and translate.
[17:20] <barrydrake> maybe it would be good to treat it like 'bugs' and assign small tasks?
[17:21] <MadnessRed> translations are doing through launchpad now
[17:21] <MadnessRed> which should make it simpler in that respect
[17:22] <MadnessRed> and also means translators aren't presented with any of the source code, which makes it nicer for them
[17:22] <Muscovy> barrydrake: certainly, we can use the bugs system like that for "content missing" and "content  incomplete" and so on.
[17:23] <barrydrake> sounds goo - effort is not duplicated that way
[17:23] <Muscovy> Yeah it's also a good way of knowing who's doing what.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> we also need to think about the interactiveness
[17:24] <Muscovy> You don't want to people with different ideas inadvertently writing two half of one tour.
[17:24] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> things like arrows, and hints
[17:24] <MadnessRed> the tour writers need to tell the programmers what they want
[17:24] <Muscovy> Now that Unity locks positions, the arrow will be a lot easier to use.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> and we need to make sure the tour writers know how to use the arrows
[17:25] <barrydrake> BTW, the instructions for installing ubuntu-tour on the website don't work.  I'll have to use bazaar to get the current code, and build it.
[17:25] <Muscovy> barrydrake, I'm guessing it says there's not a version for natty?
[17:25] <Muscovy> I've not updated it in a while. :P
[17:25] <barrydrake> it isn't that helpful.  It says the binary is 'missing'
[17:26] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[17:26] <Muscovy> Well, I'll update it and take a look this evening or tomorrow.
[17:27] <MadnessRed> will the ppa install the languages for the developement version
[17:27] <Muscovy> The PPA doesn't have that version yet.
[17:28] <Muscovy> Development will be for code, (relase codename) for writing, correct?
[17:30] <MadnessRed> developement for code and tours for the next release
[17:30] <MadnessRed> eg tours for oineric would be done in developement at the moment
[17:30] <MadnessRed> then tours for natty in the natty branch
[17:31] <MadnessRed> I don't think the code is complete enough in development to move it into a tours only branch
[17:31] <Muscovy> Hmm ok.
[17:33] <MadnessRed> if we branched oineric now, i think we would spend a lot of time, merging code changes between development and oineric
[17:34] <Muscovy> Yeah I agree.
[17:34] <barrydrake> currently, the appearance and behaviour of Unity in Oneiric seems to be changing daily ...
[17:34] <Muscovy> I just wasn't totally sure what the delineation between branches was.
[17:34] <Muscovy> Yep. XD
[17:36] <MadnessRed> I think, when the code is complete enough, each release we make the development branch stable, branch it into the codename, and do all the tours there
[17:37] <Muscovy> Makes sense.
[17:39] <Muscovy> Alright, well I've got to go shortly.
[17:39] <MadnessRed> ok, another topic... the website, hardly every works for me
[17:39] <Muscovy> As in it's frequently down?
[17:39] <Muscovy> That's odd.
[17:40] <barrydrake> I haven't seen problems with it - only there is not a lot of informarion up there
[17:40] <barrydrake> this is why I'm lurking here, to see what's happening
[17:41] <Muscovy> Yeah, the site needs work.
[17:42] <Muscovy> MadnessRed, we switched to Omega for hosting a few months ago, for me at least that made the downtime issues go away.
[17:42] <MadnessRed> it's hardly ever up for me
[17:43] <Muscovy> That's not good.
[17:45] <MadnessRed> try accessing it through a uk proxy
[17:49] <Muscovy> http://isitdown.co.uk/ubuntutour.org you're right. :/
[17:49] <TourBot> Title: Is it Down - Check website status form this United Kingdom based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.co.uk)
[17:50] <Muscovy> If I remember correctly philw was another hosting option at the time.
[17:50] <Muscovy> If we can't sort out what's wrong now, I'll talk to him.
[17:51] <Muscovy> And now, I'm afraid I'v got to run.
[17:51] <Muscovy> Thanks for coming to the mini-meeting everyone, I'll get together a TODO list as soon as I can.
[17:51] <Muscovy> !endmeeting
[17:51] <TourBot> Factoid 'endmeeting' not found
[17:51] <MadnessRed> ok kl, thanks everyone
[17:52] <barrydrake> g'night
[20:46] <Omega> I missed the meeting :< I'm sorry guys, I just moved here and I was moving to another place


[05:12] <mup> PR snapd#12555 opened: Fix checking x509 certification error on Go1.20 <Created by zhsj> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12555>
[09:13] <mup> PR snapd#12534 closed: store: fix cache miss when snap was already in download path <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12534>
[09:43] <mup> PR snapd#12556 opened: o/configstate: add task to transactions <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12556>
[09:53] <mup> PR snapd#12556 closed: o/configstate: add task to transactions <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Closed by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12556>
[11:59] <mup> PR snapd#12557 opened: i/b/fwupd: allow writing in EFI's fwupd directory <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12557>
[12:39] <mup> PR snapd#12558 opened: o/snapstate: check for kernel cmdline update conflicts <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12558>
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#12555 closed: httputil: fix checking x509 certification error on Go1.20 <Created by zhsj> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12555>
[16:00] <mup> PR snapd#12550 closed: interfaces/modem-manager: add net_admin capability <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12550>
[16:05] <mup> PR snapd#12559 opened: interfaces: relax rules for mount-control `what` for functionfs <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12559>
[21:39] <mup> PR snapcraft#4036 opened: tests: ensure coverage is set per tox env <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4036>


[20:02] <CarlFK>  booted vmlinuz-4.10.0-19-generic.efi and got a kernel panic https://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com/static/temp/pxe_efi_panic1.png
[20:03] <CarlFK> I kinda get I am doing something wrong,  but maybe someone cares about the panic


[19:29] <daffodil> does anyone know by chance how to install log4net on ubuntu-mate (running it on a raspberry pi)?  trying to build a smuxi server
[19:29] <daffodil> wondering if it's hidden in some package name i can't find or something
[20:13] <k1l> liblog4net1.2-cil   dldurk
[20:17] <dldurk> wil try that thanks k1l
[20:18] <dldurk> weird i already have that installed but this configure tells me i don't have it, odd
[20:18] <dldurk> but i may have found another program to try


[07:09] <sakrecoer> astraljava: good news! :)
[07:10] <sakrecoer> DalekSec: localy..? bummer? why is that 'nice' with quotes?
[07:12]  * sakrecoer is curious
[07:13] <DalekSec> I believe I answered the second question.
[07:17] <sakrecoer> DalekSec: i ask because i don't get it
[08:03] <astraljava> zequence: Yeah, thanks for your time and effort! I'll see how my time is spent during the fall/winter, but if nothing too consuming, I should be able to get back in track.
[09:03] <eylul> zequence: thanks for explaining (and sorry to hear that you plan to leave through)


[02:44] <max64> if i have an IP address .. can i detect his geographical location percisely?  and how?  thanks
[02:44] <virusuy_> max64: yes, with geoip
[02:45] <jkitchen> I wouldn't call it "precisely" though.
[02:45] <virusuy_> it's a program that you can install from repos
[02:45] <jkitchen> not like you're gonna get his address.
[02:45] <virusuy_> yeah, not 'that' precisely
[02:45] <virusuy_> but at least you'll now the country
[02:45] <virusuy_> or state
[02:48] <jpds> max64: sudo apt-get install geoip-bin; geoiplookup $IP
[02:48] <max64> no other method possible to detect his percise point location?
[02:48] <jpds> max64: What are you trying to do to this poor IP?
[02:49] <max64> i'm trying to learn only no other that it
[02:49] <jpds> Uh-huh.
[02:49] <virusuy_> max64: basically it's really hard to you know that information
[02:50] <max64> :) thats ok
[02:50] <ag763> anyone know why a wireless nic wouldn't start on boot?  its config is in the interface file and 'ifconfig wlan0 up' works fine.  working on setting up an AP
[02:58] <ag763> take it no one has run into anything like that
[03:23] <Matrix3000__> need some help with ldap, i've followed both https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication?highlight=%28%28OpenLDAPServer%29%29
[03:24] <Matrix3000__> I was able to get ldapsearch to work, but it keeps on saying it couldn't validate the password.
[03:24] <Matrix3000__> I am going up against a windows server 2003 domain controller
[04:01] <bkboggy> hi guys, I'm new to Linux/Servers... I just installed the "server" version of Ubuntu and I'm trying to install Apache 2 package... so I typed in    sudo apt-get install apache2   and got back information about the package and how much space it'll take to install, i confirmed it and then got a list of errors that say in essense that there is a failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[04:01] <bkboggy> and then a list of failures to fetch archives..... i tried sudo apt-get update and got failures messages as well
[04:01] <bkboggy> any ideas how to fix it?
[04:04] <jpds> bkboggy: Your DNS is broken.
[04:04] <bkboggy> how do i fix it
[04:04] <jpds> bkboggy: Found out when your proper DNS nameservers are, and set them correctly in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:06] <bkboggy> jpds: so, I have the IP address for the DNS servers, I am a bit confused on the setting part... I'm not familiar with linux terminal commands
[04:06] <bkboggy> do i just type /etc/network/interfaces and then type DNS servers... or?
[04:07] <jpds> bkboggy: No.
[04:07] <jpds> bkboggy: You type: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[04:08] <bkboggy> jpds: and then it'll have options for me?
[04:08] <jpds> bkboggy: And somewhere in your interfaces definition, you need a "dns-nameservers IP.ADD.RH.ERE" line somewhere.
[04:09] <bkboggy> oh, so it's like a text file?
[04:09] <bkboggy> *configuration file
[04:09] <jpds> bkboggy: Yes.
[04:09] <bkboggy> i see, thank you very much
[04:09] <bkboggy> i will be right back if i have more problems :)
[04:18] <Matrix3000__> wish someone could be that helpful with ldap auth on a windows server 2003 domain haha libnss-ldap is not being friendly to me
[04:20] <jpds> Matrix3000__: Well, you could always go for something like: https://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=41_39
[04:21] <Matrix3000__> haha, don't need that for a whole server haha
[04:21] <Matrix3000__> already have it working with kerb
[04:21] <Matrix3000__> why waste the money
[04:21] <jpds> Why's it a waste of money if you get an answer from a expert? Anyway.
[04:21] <Matrix3000__> It's not a necessity
[04:22] <Matrix3000> ll
[04:22] <Matrix3000> there we go
[04:23] <Matrix3000> was wondering why I had the _
[06:05] <DenBeiren> i'm planning on building a testing device based on some old (small) hdd's i have lying around,..
[06:05] <DenBeiren> in the future, the hdd's would need to be swapped for bigger ones
[06:06] <DenBeiren> can i put 6 hdd's in software raid, and have boot, root, home and data on lvm's?
[06:06] <DenBeiren> or should i pick one disc for boot, root and swap and have home and data on raid and lvm?
[06:07] <jpds> DenBeiren: It's a test machine, good and try it.
[06:07] <jpds> s/good/go/
[06:07] <DenBeiren> yes, ofc, but is it a good idea to spread boot root and swap over raid and lvm?
[06:10] <jpds> DenBeiren: Everyone will tell you a different answer based on their experience. I don't see why not, you don't want your /boot not to not survive a disk failure.
[06:11] <DenBeiren> uhu
[06:12] <DenBeiren> and are there any tuts out there to migrate to bigger disks? cfr rebuild raid, expand lvm etc
[07:30] <DenBeiren> I've been getting this message for quite a while now,.. should i be worried? *** /dev/mapper/samantha-data will be checked for errors at next reboot ***
[07:30] <DenBeiren> seems like it is never checked
[08:25] <jamespage> Madkiss, around? I'd like to pull ceph-deploy into the pkg-ceph team for Debian if thats OK with you.
[08:32] <Madkiss> jamespage: i haven't touched the package in ages, but sure, please go ahead
[08:34] <jamespage> Madkiss, ta
[08:35] <jamespage> Madkiss, I should have spotted your ITP before I packaged it for Ubuntu - that was my bad :-(
[08:47] <wiehan> Hi. I'm having some issues with my first ubuntu server install with a RAID setup. I have a Asus p8 H77 MLE mobo and it says it supports RAID (It doesn't specify whether it's actual physical or Fake RAID), but nonetheless the problem comes in when I start to setup the ubuntu server. Firstly I am unsure at this screen http://bayimg.com/GaOAHAAeC what to choose. These are some other pics of the RAID config http://bayimg.com/gAOAg
[08:47] <wiehan> aaeC  and  http://bayimg.com/GAoafAAec
[08:51] <wiehan> If I've set RAID at a hardware level, i.e. the mobo, what does it mean when ubuntu server asks me "One or more drives containing Serial ATA RAID configs have been found... Activate Serial ATA RAID devices"?
[08:56] <Madkiss> jamespage: no need to apologize; you were the guy to spend time uselessly ;-)
[08:56] <jamespage> Madkiss, not much tbh
[08:56] <wiehan_> I Need some help with RAID setup in ubuntu server.
[08:59] <wiehan_> What does it mean: "one or more drives containing Serial ATA RAID configs found... activate Serial ATA RAID devices?" I've setup a RAID1 in the mobo, I don't know what to choose at this screen
[09:00] <Madkiss> jamespage: every second is too much. :P
[09:09] <wiehan_> Anyone that can assist with RAID setup? Please.
[09:10] <frojnd> Hm, anyone here OpenVPN server side experienced user? :) Trying to setup up in a way when client is using OpenVPN _ALL_ the data goes through OpenVPN, not just reaching the server...
[09:22] <frojnd> Hm
[09:23] <frojnd> I'm reading this doc: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openvpn.html correct me if I'm wrong, but when using Adcanced configuration -> Advanced router VPN configuration on server I should be able to browse the internet with server's ip while using OpenVPN?
[09:23] <frojnd> Instead, I can't even ping <IP_ADDRESS> but only server with ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:27] <mic_> routing?
[09:27] <mic_> tried mtr?
[09:28] <frojnd> mic_: mtr?
[09:28] <mic_> see where it stops.
[09:28] <mic_> apt-cache search mtr
[09:28] <mic_> and then apt-get install mtr
[09:28] <mic_> it's a better traceroute
[09:29] <mic_> and check your routing.
[09:29] <frojnd> ko installed
[09:29] <frojnd> mic_: simple configuration works..
[09:29] <frojnd> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openvpn.html#openvpn-simple-server-configuration I can reach server on lan
[09:29] <frojnd> now I'm trying to use internet as well
[09:30] <frojnd> In documentation says: If you want to reach more servers or anything in other networks, push some routes to the clients. DONE: push "route <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:31] <frojnd> And then it further says: If enabled, this directive will configure all clients to redirect their default network gateway through the VPN, causing all IP traffic such as web browsing and and DNS lookups to go through the VPN (the OpenVPN server machine or your central firewall may need to NAT the TUN/TAP interface to the internet in order for this to work properly).
[09:31] <frojnd> mic_: this mtr is X11 package
[09:31] <mic_> it can do x11
[09:31] <mic_> but it's also console.
[09:32] <mic_> so you have two issues - check if you have proper routes
[09:32] <mic_> and then - since these people connect from private addressess - make sure you nat the stuff
[09:33] <frojnd> mic_: 1194 port is opened with ufw
[09:33] <frojnd> on server side
[09:34] <frojnd> oh, btw, you mean I check routes while connected to OpenVPN with client?
[09:35] <mic_> yes.
[09:35] <mic_> and then try also experimenting with your firewall turned on and off
[09:39] <frojnd> Hm.. when mtr <IP_ADDRESS> while connected to openvpn it gives me nothing
[09:39] <aruna__> when Installing ubuntu server, and RAID 1 setup in Bios, What do I select when it asks me "SATA RAID devices found... activate them?"
[09:40] <mic_> frojnd: then your stuff dies immediately on the machine
[09:40] <mic_> frojnd: check routing & NAT.
[09:41] <DenBeiren> thanks jpds
[09:43] <frojnd> mic_: netstat -rn says: http://sprunge.us/XaJf
[09:43] <DenBeiren> hmm,.. i must be overlooking something in the samba config
[09:43] <frojnd> mic_: don't know exactly what am I looking at in order to find out what might go wrong
[09:43] <DenBeiren> i set up the workgroup, the share and added a sambauser
[09:44] <DenBeiren> anything i am missing? i can't connect to my share :s
[09:44] <frojnd> mic_: where it say ext.e.r.nalIP it's server's IP
[09:45] <mic_> frojnd: try to use ip r l
[09:46] <mic_> frojnd: it shows the route information in a bit friendler mode
[09:46] <mic_> frojnd: and from that it seems yuo have to default gws
[09:46] <mic_> two default gateways.
[09:47] <frojnd> mic_: netstat ip r l ?
[09:47] <mic_> frojnd: ip route list
[09:47] <mic_> ip is a command.
[09:47] <frojnd> ah ok
[09:48] <mic_> frojnd: what I told is pretty much all from the generic bag of pointers - because I am not an OpenVPN expert.
[09:48] <frojnd> mic_: it's ok, I bet you know alot more about networking than me: http://sprunge.us/RdbW
[09:49] <frojnd> and I appreciate your help
[09:50] <frojnd> mic_: this is ip route list while I'm not using OpenVPN on a client: http://sprunge.us/hKjJ
[09:52] <mic_> frojnd: can you ping things in the local network of the VPN server?
[09:53] <frojnd> I can ping from client to server. I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> (server) from client and I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> (client) from server
[09:54] <mic_> anything else on that remote network?
[09:54] <frojnd> mic_: jst nginx and gitolite
[09:56] <mic_> frojnd: in terms of machines ;)
[09:56] <mic_> frojnd: did you setup the NAT as the manual was saying?
[09:56] <frojnd> mic_: no :) It's somewhere it data centers..
[09:57] <frojnd> mic_: I've added those commands
[09:57] <frojnd> push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp"
[09:57] <frojnd> server <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:57] <frojnd> ifconfig-pool-persist ipp.txt
[09:57] <frojnd> push "dhcp-option DNS <IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:57] <frojnd> push "dhcp-option DNS <IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:57] <frojnd> bah.. let me paste it, sorry for multiline
[10:01] <frojnd> mic_: http://sprunge.us/ciDR
[10:02] <frojnd> that's server.conf without empty lines and lines starting with '#'
[10:05] <frojnd> I've explicitly followed rules and red the text so I understood what spesific command means but maybe I missed something
[10:06] <mic_> I am just wondering about that NAT
[10:06] <frojnd> mic_: the only thing I didn't do was: uncomment user nobody, group nogroup
[10:06] <mic_> I am not sure OpenVPN does natting
[10:07] <mic_> and you probably have to use iptables to set it up.
[10:07] <frojnd> mic_: hm can you guide me thrugh? I was using ufw till now :) didn't have much ports to open
[10:08] <mic_> frojnd: I am afraid you have also a bit of reading ahead
[10:09] <mic_> frojnd: ufw, ok. Make sure you read about NAT and its purpose in this case (and how to set it up)
[10:09] <mic_> frojnd: I can tell you that in iptables it's the MASQUERADE and SNAT targets
[10:11] <mic_> frojnd: I am not trying to sound like a condescending bastard, but checking details about that will really pay off
[10:12] <frojnd> mic_: what exactly would I have to do in iptables/ufw
[10:13] <frojnd> probably everythinh that says here in docs? push routes to client
[10:19] <mic_> push routes - one thing
[10:19] <mic_> and you seem to be doing that. Second part
[10:20] <mic_> is to setup the NAT, so that your VPN clients can in fact access the Internet
[10:20] <mic_> and that's necessary, because their addresses are in the <IP_ADDRESS> network
[10:20] <mic_> right? ;)
[10:22] <frojnd> mic_: yeah, that's how I set it up in server.conf for OpenVPN, but before that there was no "LAN"
[10:34] <frojnd> Maybe I found something relavant: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenVPN#Configure_ufw_for_routing
[11:27] <Ennea> i have a problem: i have no idea where the "nologin" dummy shell is. it's not in /sbin/, as several guides suggest. it's there, though. i just don't know where. running 12.04. any ideas?
[11:28] <ogra_> try /usr/sbin
[11:30] <Ennea> there it is. thanks a bunch. do you have an explanation for why it's there?
[11:32] <ogra_> i think its there since forever in debian/ubuntu ... not sure thugh
[12:04] <indistylo> Folks I had installed Jboss AS 7 Server on ubuntu 12.04 following this link (https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-jboss-on-ubuntu-12-10-64bit ), I am having port conflict problem, not able to login at Jboss Admin console. Port <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 tomcat6 is being used and by default Jboss also using localhost. Please suggest how to fix it
[12:05] <indistylo> Folks I had installed Jboss AS 7 Server on ubuntu 12.04 following this link (https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-jboss-on-ubuntu-12-10-64bit ), I am having port conflict problem, not able to login at Jboss Admin console. Port <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 tomcat6 is being used and by default Jboss also using localhost. Please suggest how to fix it
[12:07] <pmatulis> ok
[12:07] <pmatulis> ok
[12:26] <indistylo_> Folks I had installed Jboss AS 7 Server on ubuntu 12.04 following this link (https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-jboss-on-ubuntu-12-10-64bit ), I am having port conflict problem, not able to login at Jboss Admin console. Port <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 tomcat6 is being used and by default Jboss also using localhost. Please suggest how to fix it
[12:28] <mollerup> indistylo_: change the listening port of one of the services ? your choice.
[12:29] <indistylo_> mollerup, How?
[12:31] <mollerup> cant remember which config file its in, sorry been ages since ive played with either jboss or tomcat
[12:43] <jamespage> indistylo_, try uninstalling tomcat6
[12:43] <indistylo_> jamespage, i need that too for development purpose
[12:44] <jamespage> indistylo_, OK - /etc/tomcat6/server.xml should have the port definitions in it
[12:44] <jamespage> OR
[12:44] <jamespage> you could add an IP alias to the server the run JBoss on the alias
[12:45] <jamespage> indistylo_, I think "-b <IP alias>" should do the trick when starting JBoss
[12:45] <jamespage> you might need to restrict where tomcat6 runs as well
[12:47] <indistylo_> trying to fix it
[12:47] <indistylo_> jamespage, trying to fix it
[13:43] <yolanda> hi, is there any charm that generates some ssh key and passes it into the relationship? i need to do something like that and i'd like to have some sample
[13:45] <jamespage> yolanda, hmm - yes
[13:45] <jamespage> yolanda, I think the nova-cloud-controller and nova-compute charms do that
[13:45] <yolanda> ok, let me take a look
[13:45] <jamespage> to setup live instance migrations over SSH
[13:46] <yolanda> i need that for gerrit-zuul
[14:51] <wiehan> I urgently need some help setting up  software raid on ubuntu server... I have read the guides (most of them are old). I need help with the ubuntu server 12.04 partitioning screen. I am at the stage where I can see SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) 3TB and SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sdb) 3TB. My goal is to have a software RAID1 for my home server
[14:53] <xnox> wiehan: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html#software-raid
[14:53] <yolanda> jamespage, is ok to setup that ssh keys on the joined hook? i'm finding that sometimes it's correctly grabbing the key, but other times isn't, and exactly with the same process all the time
[14:54] <wiehan> How do I achieve the above?
[14:56] <xnox> wiehan: the guide tells exact steps.
[15:04] <msafi> How can I know if a server have SFTP installed and can listen in on connections?
[15:04] <wiehan> xnox ty, this is the best guide so far
[15:05] <wiehan> xnox, I am having trouble where the Bootable Flag: off can't be changed to on??
[15:11] <wiehan> I can't make a partition bootable in the manual partitioning??
[15:55] <Lcawte> Hi, I have a VPS running 12.04, and I was wondering if I can get some help with ip routes, at the moment I'm using a command everytime the server reboots to add the route (ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 via <IP_ADDRESS>) but I need to add the route into whatever config so its permenant. I read somewhere it is something to do with /etc/network/interfaces, mine is http://pastebin.com/0usYa7WG ... any i
[15:56] <dv81> can i update 13.04 to the next LTS when it comes out?
[15:59] <resno> dv81: sure
[16:01] <patdk-wk> dv81, no
[16:01] <patdk-wk> 13.04 can only be upgraded to 13.10
[16:01] <dv81> patdk-wk: how so?
[16:01] <patdk-wk> 13.10 and 12.04 can be upgraded to 14.04 (likely the next lts)
[16:01] <dv81> right ok, thanks :)
[16:03] <Lcawte> Hmm, I see my client cut the end off my question, it was "any idea how I do that?" :)
[16:03] <resno> patdk-wk: you cant upgrade none lts to lts?
[16:03] <resno> or did i misunderstand the question
[16:03] <patdk-wk> resno sure you can
[16:03] <patdk-wk> you can only upgrade lts -> lts
[16:03] <patdk-wk> or release to release
[16:04] <patdk-wk> not release (skip next) to lts
[16:04] <resno> ah
[16:04] <resno> gotcha
[16:04] <patdk-wk> so 13.10 -> 14.04 ok
[16:04] <patdk-wk> 13.04 -> 14.04, bad
[16:04] <patdk-wk> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04, ok
[16:04] <resno> ok
[16:04] <resno> i misunderstood the question then
[16:04] <dv81> if my 13.04 gets updated to 13.10, and then to the 14.04 LTS, will the install be the same as an 14.04 LTS install?
[16:05] <patdk-wk> no
[16:05] <dv81> patdk-wk: what's the difference? :)
[16:05] <patdk-wk> dunno, 14.04 isn't out
[16:06] <dv81> i believe when using an LTS release, it only checks for a upgrade to the next LTS?
[16:06] <patdk-wk> but there can be slight differences and compatability and packaging things
[16:06] <patdk-wk> the big one was, for 12.04, grub wsa not updated, but kept the same
[16:06] <ScottK> For all practical purposes it will be the same.  There are sometimes things it safe to do on install, but not on upgrade (migration from grub1 to grub2 is an example), but they are rare.
[16:06] <ScottK> patdk-wk: Yes, because there's no sane way to do it.
[16:07] <patdk-wk> yes, so it won't be the same, but should be functionally equiv and 99% the same
[16:07] <patdk-wk> but this is why people spend time to create *release notes*
[16:07] <patdk-wk> why do people not read these things?
[16:07] <dv81> patdk-wk: i am now :)
[16:08] <patdk-wk> well, 14.04 doesn't exist, so alittle hard to do that now :)
[16:08] <dv81> so for a production server, i should really be using 12.04 and only be updating to the next LTS?
[16:08] <patdk-wk> that is up to you
[16:08] <dv81> i refer to 14.04 just as the next LTS :)
[16:08] <patdk-wk> lts is good for 5 years
[16:08] <patdk-wk> non-lts is 18months
[16:09] <patdk-wk> how long do you want your server to function, without changes?
[16:09] <resno> patdk-wk: how long do you stay on a version before jumping to the next?
[16:09] <patdk-wk> resno, till, I prove the next version is stable
[16:09] <patdk-wk> it took me 8months to get my issues with 12.04 solved
[16:09] <patdk-wk> it took me a year to then upgrade everything
[16:10] <resno> you have more then 50 servers?
[16:10] <ScottK> Actually non-LTS is 9 months now (starting with 13.10)
[16:10] <resno> im curious what stablity issues occur from version to version
[16:11] <patdk-wk> resno, I start my testing long before release
[16:12] <patdk-wk> resno, only like 40 or so linux servers at the moment
[16:12] <patdk-wk> breaking 370 windows servers
[16:13] <resno> patdk-wk: you moving from one to oter, or just as needed b clients?
[16:13] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:14] <resno> are you dumping linux in favor of windows? or do your numbers represent client needs/requests
[16:15] <patdk-wk> neither
[17:06] <wiehan_> hi
[17:09] <wiehan_> I really need assistance with Ubuntu Server software Raid setup. The following two guides https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html#software-raid http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-ubuntu8.04-with-software-raid1 has reference
[17:09] <wiehan_> Both are outdated. And Both Fails.
[17:10] <xnox> wiehan_: define outdated? server guides are published for each ubuntu release and are up to date.
[17:11] <wiehan_> I cannot get a Grub2 bootloader 2 install with the ubuntu server installation promtps. It fails every time. I have tried to leave a bios-boot-partition. I have tried leaving a separate /boot on one drive, I have tried making a RAID boot partition. But nothing works. The guides are outdated. There are parts in the guides that says" Make this partition bootable, but unfortunately the installer doesn't allow that on occasions
[17:11] <wiehan_> where you select use as raid-volume
[17:11] <xnox> wiehan_: starting from https://help.ubuntu.com/ pick your version, and select appropriate server guide.
[17:11] <wiehan_> I am using ubuntu 12.04 server
[17:12] <xnox> wiehan_: "marking partition as bootable" is not necessary at all (grub doesn't need it)
[17:12] <mollerup> wiehan_: which format did you choose on the partition table ?
[17:13] <wiehan_> xnox ok, but the GRUB installer still fails, every time
[17:13] <xnox> wiehan_: it's best to leave off the beginning of the partition (e.g. 4MB) such that grub for sure has enough space in the beginning to install its bootcode.
[17:13] <xnox> wiehan_: swithc to TTY4 and tell us what the errors from grub are?
[17:15] <wiehan_> xnox, I will leave a 10mb partition for Grub and try that too. But this solution offers its own problems, i.e. GRUB won't be mirrored like the other data - what's the point of having a RAID 1? Secondly, what filesystem and what mount point should be selected for this 4 (or 10mb) partition
[17:16] <xnox> wiehan_: you should install grub on to both drives, into mbr. E.g. /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. Your /boot should be on the raid device and thus also mirrored on both drives.
[17:17] <xnox> wiehan_: one only ever boots from one mbr, thus the fallback here is, that you can boot from either of the drives.
[17:17] <xnox> (if one of the drive happens to fail for example)
[17:18] <wiehan_> xnox, ok, So I should then create 3 partitions on each drive and software RAID them together. The new one being /boot.
[17:18] <wiehan_> xnox, I am doing what you said now (I believe that I have tried exactly this earlier today - and it failed)
[17:19] <wiehan_> xnox for creating the 3 Partitions Swap, / , /boot I am following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html verbatim
[17:19] <wiehan_> xnox I have two 3tb seagate drives just btw
[17:20] <xnox> 3 partitions on each drive, creating 3 raid1 devices (one for each of the partitions) ?
[17:20] <xnox> and it should be "_____ /boot, /, swap" since one should have /boot earlish on the disk (physically)
[17:21] <wiehan_> xnox will 15mb for /boot suffice? And what does "______ /boot" imply
[17:21] <xnox> wiehan_: no, 15mb is not enough. a single kernel is 50MB ....
[17:22] <xnox> (with extra & optional modules)
[17:22] <xnox> wiehan_: 300 MB is default, but I tend to use 500 MB for /boot
[17:22] <wiehan_> xnox I will make /boot 500mb
[17:22] <xnox> wiehan_: and ext2 without journal for /boot, otherwise you loose space for nothing.
[17:23] <wiehan_> so on both drives I first make the three partitions and select use as "physical volume for RAID"
[17:23] <mollerup> grub2 probably wont install because of the GPT partition table and lack of a partition marked with bios_grub: on
[17:23] <wiehan_> or for /boot must I select ext2 straight away?
[17:24] <wiehan_> mollerup, I have briefly seen a similar explanation somewhere else, could you please adumbrate ;)
[17:25] <mollerup> http://velenux.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/grub-failing-to-install-on-debianubuntu-with-gpt-partitions/
[17:25] <mollerup> i have experienced that when setting up partitions manually
[17:27] <wiehan_> mollerup, Ok so what you are saying is install it, and let it fail, continue without grub, but how do you install this if you can't boot into anything?
[17:28] <mollerup> and you could always just install default on a single disk and convert to raid1 after with this: http://raider.sourceforge.net/
[17:30] <mollerup> livecd can fix the missing grub after install, but you could just setup the partitions correctly from the beginning.
[17:30] <wiehan_> mollerup, I can't believe that one cannot install a software RAID 1 by default and that you have to use something like RAIDR
[17:31] <mollerup> I must confess ive never done md-raid on any setups, never had to.
[17:31] <wiehan_> mollerup, if you're willing to assist, I would like to do it right from the installer
[17:32] <mollerup> wiehan_: you should be able to get it from the beginning, if you get the partition-table right.. that is a different problem, unrelated to md-raid
[17:36] <wiehan_> mollerup, http://bayimg.com/KAOCNaAEC does this look right thus far?
[17:36] <wiehan_> Now going into the "Configure Software RAID screen"
[17:36] <xnox> mollerup: grub2 can handle gpt, and it really does not care about partitions marked for anything.
[17:37] <wiehan_> xnox can you have a look at that link and see whether it looks good up to this point.. I've literally been pulling my hair out this whole day about this
[17:40] <xnox> wiehan_: yeah, looks ok.
[17:43] <wiehan_> xnox and mollerup now after the software RAID config it looks like: http://bayimg.com/mAoCgaaEc
[17:44] <wiehan_> xnox and mollerup still on the right track?
[17:45] <mollerup> wiehan_: looks ok, partition-wise
[17:47] <mollerup> xnox: yes grub2 works fine on GPT if you set up partitions correctly, if you dont have the free space and boot_grub you will get the error in the blog that I linked earlier, been there done that ...
[17:51] <wiehan_> mollerup, xnox here are the crucial partitioning specifics, is this all correct? http://bayimg.com/MaOcMaaec
[17:53] <mollerup> looks ok to me
[17:54] <msafi> How do I specify the initial path for the user when he logs in with sFTP? (I want to give him root access)
[17:55] <wiehan_> When it ask: Do you want to boot your system if your RAID becomes degrade? What do I choose?
[17:55] <mollerup> wiehan_: yes, else it wont boot if one of the disks are missing ...
[17:57] <mollerup> msafi: define root access ? normal user with / as his homedir ? or real root with access all areas ?
[17:58] <msafi> mollerup, normal user with / as his homedir :)
[17:59] <mollerup> msafi: then just set that as the users homedir with usermod
[18:02] <msafi> mollerup, I get "sftpuser is currently used by process 7420" Do you kow why that is?
[18:06] <mollerup> msafi: is the user logged in ?
[18:06] <msafi> mollerup, Maybe he was. I killed the process and it sorta shutdown the whole thing. I restarted and set the directory like you told me! :D
[18:12] <wiehan_> mollerup, xnox all went well, grub2 said it installed without a hitch but now When I rebooted: Black screen: Reboot and select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in Selected Boot device and press a key... dope!!!!
[19:36] <a|3x> hi
[19:36] <a|3x> i am having issues mounting encrypted volume
[19:37] <a|3x> i am 100% sure the password is right, i've used it before
[19:37] <a|3x> i've set it up to mount at boot with /etc/crypttab
[19:37] <a|3x> it tells me this error when i enter the password:
[19:38] <a|3x> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting padlock_sha (/lib/modules/2.6.32-38-server/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko): No such device
[19:39] <a|3x> if i enter the password again, it doesn't show me this error any more
[19:40] <a|3x> my system partition is unencrypted and i can boot if i skip, but after boot, i can't mount it either
[19:41] <sarnold> a|3x: do you have the corresponding VIA hardware for the packlock-sha?
[19:41] <a|3x> its a virtual machine running on vmware esxi 5 / vsphere
[19:42] <a|3x> this used to work a few months ago :(
[19:42] <a|3x> when i last booted it
[19:43] <sarnold> a|3x: eh, perhaps something just modprobes everything that says it can do sha sums.. does lsmod show anything that looks like it might also provide sha family of hashes?
[19:44] <a|3x> also, one time i tried to mount from terminal after booting, it told me 'device is busy'
[19:47] <a|3x> lsmod: http://pastebin.com/YQWXQhRE
[19:47] <sarnold> a|3x: woo, sha256_generic. I think that first error message about padlock is not a problem in your environment.
[19:48] <a|3x> its fatal
[19:48] <a|3x> not a warning
[19:48] <sarnold> a|3x: it is fatal to that specific invocation of modprobe, yes, but I don't think it is fatal to the larger operation
[19:49] <a|3x> then why doesn't my password work