[11:01] <thelostpatrol> when i get to step 10 in the guide it says "command not gound"
[11:01] <Scorpmoon> i thought they worked together
[11:01] <DShepherd> speyer: hmmm well I cant find any plugins associated with wmas. you may want to ask the guys in #kubuntu
[11:01] <gnomefreak> Scorpmoon: on dapper you dont need nvidia-settings
[11:01] <shadeofgrey> does anybody know if evolution email is compatible with gmail yet or no
[11:01] <shadeofgrey> ?
[11:01] <lab> DShepherd: so that's the best explanation ? it doesn't like my drives lol
[11:01] <gnomefreak> Scorpmoon: just install nvidia-glx
[11:01] <speyer> DShepherd ok thank you
[11:02] <ompaul> fr500, you can try >  sudo dpkg -P --force-depends $package
[11:02] <DShepherd> lab: I am not sure why.. you seem to be doing the right thing.. i really dont know.. sorry. maybe some one else can help you
[11:02] <lab> DShepherd: alright thanks man :)
[11:02] <DShepherd> speyer: the ntfs partitions work in windows?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> what guide are you using?
[11:02] <ompaul> fr500, that is rather savage
[11:02] <nomego> gnomefreak: hmm ok
[11:02] <speyer> DShepherd ?
[11:02] <graveson> is there any documentatation for configuring DVB's and mythtv -if so where can i find it
[11:02] <DShepherd> speyer: yes?
[11:02] <speyer> DShepherd they do yes why ?
[11:02] <bensode> gnomefreak: Yes used that and a couple posts on the ubuntu forums.  Both screens work and I can drag windows to and from, they are just backwards, meaning that the "Main" window is on the secondary monitor and extra monitor is on the left
[11:02] <maddy> d-rock, windows works juust fine though
[11:03] <fr500> ompaul i needed xlibs for installing cddega, not nvidia card, i couldnt find it so i did apt-get install xlibs*
[11:03] <fr500> now mesa rendering is broke
[11:03] <nomego> gnomefreak: any reason why? lazy maintainer? ;)
[11:03] <DShepherd> speyer: I dont understand your last statement. go again
[11:03] <jorgp> what is a good graphical ftp app, gftp keeps crashing
[11:03] <valehru> fr500, sudo apt-get install xlib
[11:03] <gnomefreak> nomego: no that was latest version at the time of the freeze
[11:03] <fr500> valehru: i tried, didnt work, now it worked but i broke mesa rendering
[11:03] <speyer> DShepherd i didnt asked you about any partition or something similar, i only wanted to make k3b handle wma files thats all
[11:03] <gnomefreak> thelostpatrol: are you already in a # terminal?
[11:04] <ompaul> fr500, cegeda should document their programs properly
[11:04] <gnomefreak> ompaul: lol yeah right
[11:04] <DShepherd> speyer: oh. sorry wrong person
[11:04] <nomego> gnomefreak: really? dapper freezed before february?
[11:04] <ompaul> gnomefreak, they should, but they don't
[11:04] <maddy> d-rock, is there any way i can fix the problem?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> nomego: or around that time
[11:04] <DShepherd> lab: does your partitions work under windows?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> nomego: there is a cerain time they allow unstable releases into devle versions
[11:04] <dpod> Hi all. A question: I'd been having network troubles and solved them by avoiding the new kernel. Is this a known problem?
[11:05] <bensode> Ok it's late I'll just post my xorg.conf on the forums and see if someone can see where I can change the layout order
[11:05] <ompaul> !timetable
[11:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more.
[11:05] <timmower_> right I finally got samba working  I think it is the public = yes which did it!
[11:05] <lab> DShepherd: yes
[11:05] <maddy> d-rock what do u mean swapping out/
[11:05] <ompaul> nomego, ^^ that page ubotu points to
[11:05] <DShepherd> lab: ... again.. I am clueless
[11:05] <lab> DShepherd: when I used to use FC2-3 they worked too
[11:05] <timmower_> jorgp: konqueror has ftp support, and seems really good
[11:05] <gnomefreak> bensode: can you change moniter 1 and 2 around in xorg.conf   ive never done this is why im asking
[11:05] <timmower_> jorgp: it is kde though
[11:05] <DShepherd> lab: oh ok.
[11:05] <lab> DShepherd: but all I hear is Ubuntu Ubuntu Ubuntu but it hasn't quite lived up to the hype
[11:05] <d-rock> Anyone know if nautilus in 6.06 does previews for opendoc files?
[11:06] <lab> DShepherd: great community though
[11:06] <gnomefreak> lab: that depends one what people say about it
[11:06] <maddy> d-rock its 0003*  thus it varies afrer 3
[11:06] <ompaul> DShepherd, what is the quesiton there ?
[11:06] <DShepherd> lab: :-(.. sorry u aint pleased
[11:06] <lab> DShepherd: it's fine, I just want to listen to my music
[11:06] <lab> DShepherd: lol
[11:06] <timmower_> is there any way to see a list of dependencies for a package with apt-get? I want to remove a package and dependicies
[11:06] <DShepherd> ompaul: question where?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> ubuntu = great the non-free things have issues most of time
[11:07] <ompaul> the one that you were not knowing - for lab
[11:07] <DShepherd> lab: i think ompaul maybe interested in your problem. Care to give him some details
[11:07] <d-rock> timmower: I think you want dpkg
[11:07] <Scorpmoon> I'm told i can't nvidia-glx-config enable because my /etc/X11/xorg.conf has been altered
[11:07] <ompaul> lab, I may or may not have answers
[11:07] <lab> For some reason Ubuntu isn't recognizing my two 80GB NTFS partitions
[11:07] <DShepherd> ompaul: http://pastebin.com/770813 <--that's what sudo fdisk -l gives him. he wants to mount ntfs
[11:07] <Scorpmoon> now it wants me to md5sum the stuff
[11:08] <lab> ompaul: check that pastebin link
[11:08] <ocx32> guys
[11:08] <Cheeto> hey there guys.  I'm having a problem with Dapper not booting off of the live CD.  I know it's a problem with my Radeon card, I had trouble with it  before and only having the vesa driver work.  Is there a way I can specifiy an option at boot to tell it to use the vesa driver?
[11:08] <nomego> how do I install kernel build files in ubuntu?'
[11:08] <ocx32> how can i check my email from console?
[11:08] <maddy> d-rock testing now...
[11:08] <DShepherd> ompaul: he seems to be doing the right thing... but you may see something that I cant see :-)
[11:08] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:08] <winbond> can somone tell me how to add the sound icon to the menu ??? it dissapeared
[11:08] <KenSentMe> ocx32: mutt is a command line email client
[11:08] <d-rock> winbond: you mean the volume control?
[11:09] <ocx32> ocx@mars:~$ mutt
[11:09] <ocx32> -bash: mutt: command not found
[11:09] <winbond> d-rock: yes
[11:09] <gnomefreak> ocx32: did you install mutt?
[11:09] <lab> ompaul: check my whole thing here
[11:09] <lab> http://pastebin.com/770834
[11:09] <ompaul> lab, so you can't mount the first partition?
[11:09] <lab> ompaul: yes
[11:09] <ompaul> lab, just a second
[11:09] <timmower_> cool thanks
[11:10] <DShepherd> winbond: right click the panel and click 'add to panel' and choose the volume control
[11:10] <IcemanV9> lab: sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/hda1 /media/windows/  <-- does not work??
[11:10] <DShepherd> winbond: applet thingy
[11:10] <v|nc3> has anyone here used vdr
[11:10] <ompaul> lab,  in fstab it should look **like** this:: /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,ro,user,umask=000 0       0
[11:10] <gnomefreak> !anyone
[11:10] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[11:11] <lab> IcemanV9: : hda1 is mounted already and working
[11:11] <d-rock> ubotu: does Nautilus in Ubuntu 6.06 do preview images for OpenDoc?
[11:11] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, d-rock
[11:11] <maddy> d-rock yes 0000 followed by 8 digits
[11:11] <d-rock> :)
[11:11] <lab> IcemanV9: hdb1 and hdb2 are not mounting
[11:11] <lab> ompaul: http://pastebin.com/770834
[11:11] <IcemanV9> lab:  k
[11:11] <lab> that has my etc/fstab and my mount -a results
[11:11] <Cheeto> How can I tell the Dapper liveCD to use Vesa at boot?
[11:12] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:12] <assasukasse> how can i stop pci_hotplug to load at startup?
[11:12] <digikom> cheeto:  try the safe graphics boot option
[11:12] <Cheeto> tried that, hangs
[11:12] <roostishaw> what program would you suggest for editing bash scripts? gedit? or is there a better alternetive?
[11:12] <gordonjcp> vim
[11:12] <nomego> what do I need to build kernel modules from source in ubuntu?
[11:12] <gnomefreak> roostishaw: #ubuntu-offtopic for that please
[11:12] <roostishaw> oh, sorry
[11:12] <gordonjcp> roostishaw: or indeed any other editor
[11:13] <Haydre> How might one go about changing the icon of a script?
[11:13] <Cheeto> is there any other way to specify vesa other than safe mode?  or a way to boot to a command line instead of GNOME?
[11:13] <IcemanV9> strange ...
[11:13] <ompaul> lab, I suggested a different ntfs entry: this:: /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,ro,user,umask=000 0       0
[11:13] <gnomefreak> nomego: the kernel-headers build-essential   for the most part thats about it i might be missing soemthing
[11:13] <ompaul> lab, we know it works :-)
[11:13] <Inc> ok. So If I agrab ubuntu-6.06-server-amd64.iso the only difference between that and the desktop one is that server is a full install?
[11:13] <DShepherd> ompaul: its /dev/hdb1 that he needs to mount not hda1
[11:14] <amortvigil> ompaul: it wont dist update
[11:14] <gnomefreak> server is nto full install
[11:14] <nomego> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:14] <maddy> d-rock ill have to proceed some other time where can i find the doc?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Inc: server install is non gui
[11:14] <gnomefreak> nomego: yw
[11:14] <ompaul> DShepherd, so the permissions remain the same and the dha becomes hdb
[11:14] <lab> ompaul: that is working
[11:14] <linuxboy> where can I find out about the ubuntu certified professional ?
[11:14] <lab> ompaul: it is my windows partition
[11:14] <Inc> rt
[11:14] <Michael> hi, If I installed compwiz and XGL, will other OpenGL applications (games etc.) be slowed down?
[11:14] <Inc> Ty
[11:14] <Flannel> Michael: yes
[11:14] <unity> if i remove my .bashrc and .bash_profile, bash will regenterate them, right?
[11:14] <lab> ompaul: why aren't hdb1 abd hdb2 mounting correctly if the ntfs in hda1 is mounted correctly?
[11:15] <fr500> valehru: i tried, didnt work, now it worked but i broke mesa rendering
[11:15] <ompaul> linuxboy, use www.ubuntu.com and check it out its a LPI qualifications
[11:15] <gnomefreak> Inc: the iso you have is for 64bit systems  if you do alot of non-free apps like flash and stuff i might recommend you stick with 32bit
[11:15] <winbond> d-rock: nope , cant find the volume thing
[11:15] <lab> ompaul: it's not that the etc/fstab is wrong its that the devices are not even in /dev/hdb1
[11:15] <Michael> Flannel, so you wouldn't recommend it if i played games?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> unity: yes should
[11:15] <linuxboy> ompaul: I know about that. Where canI get study info ?
[11:15] <DShepherd> winbond: its called volume control
[11:15] <Flannel> Michael: I honestly don't know how much of a slowdown it is, you might try asking in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:15] <ompaul> lab I don't know, I do know the config I gave can be modded to make it work
[11:16] <gnomefreak> linuxboy: its ont hat site tells you what each one is about
[11:16] <gnomefreak> linuxboy: there is no "study guide" just tells you what you need to know to get cert
[11:16] <linuxboy> gnomefreak: I see that. is there a more comprehensive study guide ?
[11:16] <lab> ompaul: the /etc/fstab won't work unless linux recognizes these /dev/hdb1 and show them there
[11:16] <nomego> gnomefreak: but how do I get a /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build directory? or is that placed elsewhere?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> linuxboy: nope
[11:16] <DiKKy> hi i havlots of ttf files where do i copy them to make them usable in  gnome ?
[11:16] <linuxboy> gnomefreak: cool, thanks
[11:16] <linuxboy> gnomefreak: have you done it?
[11:16] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> nomego: not sure its been forever and a half since ive had the luxury to build modules
[11:17] <DShepherd> DiKKy: in your .fonts directory
[11:17] <gnomefreak> linuxboy: nope
[11:17] <maddy> d-rock thanx
[11:17] <DiKKy> k thx
[11:17] <Scorpmoon> i just broke my X, by installing nvidia-glx and then running an md5sum on xorg.conf
[11:17] <Acke___> Hey guys im SCARED. my acer tm 370 with ubuntu5.10 got its screensaver going. then it refused exiting the screensaver and i KILLED the power. (its a notebook). Now when i turn on the power. NOTHING happends. the power goes through the machine. but it does not initiate a startup sequence. no hardware detection no bios nothing!!! WHAT to do???
[11:17] <DShepherd> DiKKy: i think you can find that under your home directory
[11:17] <winbond> d-rock: oh yeah  , i have the same menu but im using kde, i dont have vol control only sound mixer which is something else
[11:18] <ompaul> lab, will you do me a favour do this: put a # in front of this ->> dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0133,dmask=0022,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0then ; sudo mkdir /media/windows then add this to /etc/fstab >>  /dev/hdb1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,ro,user,umask=000 0       0 <<
[11:18] <cherwin> Acke: maybe the battery is just dead...
[11:18] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:18] <Acke___> cherwin, its on cable!
[11:19] <freakazoid0223> acke your notebook might not be completely off hold down the power button for a few secs then try to turn it on again
[11:19] <ompaul> Acke___, make sure the different parts are plugged into each other, i.e. the power lead into the transformer (I have been caught with that more than once)
[11:19] <graveson> does anyone know a workaround to SBM not recognising external USB CD-ROM to install Ubuntu
[11:19] <cherwin> Acke__: if that don't work, try opening the laptop (if warrenty is already expired) and reset the bios
[11:19] <Acke___> ompaul, the power is connected. THe power on led is lit on the laptop!!
[11:19] <lab> ompaul: mount: special device /dev/hdb1 does not exist
[11:19] <DShepherd> winbond: check kubuntu someone is talking to you there
[11:19] <dli> graveson, what is SBM?
[11:20] <ompaul> lab, after the change?
[11:20] <lab> yes
[11:20] <Random_Transit> hey, my gnome-panel has gone bonkers...gnome keeps crashing now
[11:20] <cherwin> dli: you mean SMB?
[11:20] <graveson> dli : smart bootup manager
[11:20] <Acke___> cherwin, how to reset bios???
[11:20] <winbond> DShepherd: yes , thank you
[11:20] <ompaul> lab, okay, okay let me check something
[11:20] <valehru> hmm....azureus completely dissappears in dapper amd 64
[11:20] <Random_Transit> can anyone help me?
[11:20] <DShepherd> winbond: kool
[11:20] <freakazoid0223> hold down the button to shut it wodn completely
[11:20] <lab> ompaul: I'll bbl I am gonna check this out in windows
[11:20] <cherwin> Acke___, pull the battery out for a few seconds and then plug it back in
[11:20] <siofwolves> anyone know hoe to get network-manager-gnome to run ?
[11:20] <dli> graveson, can it load usb-stick?
[11:21] <ompaul> lab, then I will leave it I have other things to do
[11:21] <digikom> siofwolves: install it from synaptic/apt-get first
[11:21] <chuchu> does somebody know why does my leptop turns off after the OS is loaded???
[11:21] <Acke___> cherwin the battery is removed, do you mean the battery inside the laptop? not the laptop battery?
[11:21] <ompaul> Acke___, take off the pwer cable
[11:21] <Random_Transit> is there a conf file somewhere in my home folder that controls what panel applets run when gnome starts?
[11:21] <graveson> dli: no that is the problem ,old laptop ,and i saw a warning on the ubuntu website that usb boot with SMB does not work,is there a workaround for this ?
[11:21] <ompaul> Acke___, and battery and leave it there for a minute
[11:21] <cherwin> Acke__: the battery inside your laptop that powers the bios
[11:21] <DShepherd> siofwolves: to set network prefernces and stuff?
[11:22] <Acke___> cherwin okay
[11:22] <dli> chuchu, hardware problem?
[11:22] <siofwolves> digikom, done that :)
[11:22] <Acke___> ompaul okay
[11:22] <Random_Transit> hello???
[11:22] <ompaul> Acke___, wait a moment before you go taking out that other one
[11:22] <siofwolves> yah DShepherd
[11:22] <cherwin> Acke___: so you'll have to open your laptop, but it *will* void your warrenty, so just send it back if you can
[11:22] <gnomefreak> linuxboy: where you looking for hardware, software, user, or pro
[11:22] <tortho> wifi expert? Help needed to connect computer to internet. Wifi does not connect to my access point..
[11:22] <graveson> dli: i want to boot off a usb cd-rom to install ,but the bios is old on this laptop so it cannot boot off usb
[11:22] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[11:22] <linuxboy> gnomefreak: pro. lpi 199
[11:22] <Acke___> ompaul, wait how long?
[11:22] <cherwin> tortho: what is the problem?
[11:22] <dli> graveson, I don't know ubuntu, but you can do hard disk installation, usb-stick, in debian
[11:22] <acidjedi> Had anyone gotten gametap working in wine?
[11:22] <Scorpmoon> omg, now my xorg.conf says I have a Radeon 7000 card... how can this happen from installing nvidia-glx ?
[11:22] <ompaul> Random_Transit, some of it is .gnome and some of it is .gnome2
[11:22] <DShepherd> siofwolves: gnome-network-preferences <-- that should launch the GUI for you
[11:23] <fuffalo> i downloaded a torrent of ubuntu, but it says it's a "live cd"  can i install from that?
[11:23] <DShepherd> siofwolves: sorry ir doesnt
[11:23] <DShepherd> it*
[11:23] <Random_Transit> ompaul, which conf files sould i look for?
[11:23] <tortho> cherwin... to be honest, i can't see any error, except that it does not get a ip adr...
[11:23] <chuchu> dli, i installed umbuntu right now... when the system loads, it turns off... i tried on Boot: linux vga=776
[11:23] <dli> graveson, do you have linux on it right now?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> this lists the things you need to know for it linuxboy  http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/certification/pro
[11:23] <DiKKy> No i didnt have any .fonts dir in my home dir so i created one and moved all the fon files there but it doesnt work lol
[11:23] <freakazoid0223> fuffalo : yes
[11:23] <DShepherd> siofwolves: wrong command
[11:23] <linuxboy> gnomefreak: thanks. But I was hoping to find more then that list
[11:23] <siofwolves> np DShepherd
[11:23] <ompaul> Acke___, thats long enough now put in the lappy battery and then the power lead then power switch it
[11:23] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:23] <cherwin> tortho: open up a terminal and type in 'iwconfig' then you'll see what interfaces are wireless
[11:23] <dli> chuchu, fb problem, try to boot without vga= part
[11:23] <gnomefreak> linuxboy: thats all i know of so far
[11:24] <Shmenge> hey, can someone help me?
[11:24] <DiKKy> it would be cool if i could have my old fonts
[11:24] <cherwin> tortho: then you do a 'iwconfig ethX essid <wireless_network>
[11:24] <Shmenge> I'm having trouble with this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187465&highlight=macbook+pro
[11:24] <chuchu> the system is downloading smth.. i hope it get ok now...
[11:24] <DiKKy> got a big collection
[11:24] <DiKKy> :D
[11:24] <ompaul> Random_Transit, there is gconf-editor a utility
[11:24] <chuchu> il wait
[11:24] <chuchu> thanks
[11:24] <linuxboy> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:24] <Acke___> ompaul, nothing happends
[11:24] <foomonkey> how do I go about modifying my PATH so that it is retained when I reboot?
[11:24] <cherwin> tortho: oh yeah, don't forget to execute dhclient :)
[11:24] <Random_Transit> ok
[11:24] <dli> graveson, there's another way, take the hard drive out of the old computer, put in another computer or usb-enclosure to install on it
[11:24] <ompaul> Acke___, okay now  go for your bios battery
[11:24] <Acke___> ompaul, powr goes, but no bios is excecuted
[11:25] <Acke___> ompaul okay
[11:25] <graveson> dli: no i do not have linux ,
[11:25] <DShepherd> siofwolves: try network-admin. you want a gui interface right?
[11:25] <ompaul> Acke___, and be careful :-)
[11:25] <siofwolves> yep
[11:25] <graveson> dli: i think that will be the option i need to use ,hmm,ok thanks
[11:25] <DShepherd> siofwolves: ok. well that should od
[11:25] <DShepherd> do*
[11:25] <ompaul> Acke___, there may be jumpers that are needed to be replaced but you would need the manual for that
[11:25] <tortho> cherwin, I already have "Strigen Access Pont" listed as ESSID when I run iwlist... I set it under the "Network" thing...
[11:26] <siofwolves> that wil get network-manager-gnome running DShepherd  ?
[11:26] <cherwin> do you have a password for your wireless network tortho?
[11:26] <dli> graveson, usb-hdd is convenient, becareful you have grub installed properly (so you can boot manually)
[11:26] <polishkoop> ugh, is sorcre in here?
[11:26] <tortho> cherwin, no, I have allowed the MAC adr... for the card of my compiters, but have turned of WEP & WPA...
[11:26] <graveson> dli: ok thanks
[11:27] <ReWT_AxS> is there a fix to the synaptics touchpad problem yet?
[11:27] <DShepherd> siofwolves: hmmm..... no that will lauch the network-admin stuff. you want the network-manager applet?
[11:27] <cherwin> okay then just do a dhclient ethX (where X stands for your interface number)
[11:27] <foomonkey> using Ubuntu, changing my PATH in ~/.bashrc doesn't seem to do anything. How do I change it globally? So that it will still be changed next time I login?
[11:28] <neutrinomass> foomonkey: AFAIK you have to restart bash ...
[11:28] <cherwin> if that doesn't work try to set up networking manually with ifconfig i suggest you read the manual page for that tortho...
[11:29] <dli> foomonkey, make sure you have correct, ~/.bash_profile
[11:29] <DShepherd> siofwolves: nm-applet should start it
[11:29] <foomonkey> on most Unixes, I can put things in ~/.profile and it is always set each time I logon. GDM seems to bypass .profile or .bashrc, etc
[11:29] <neutrinomass> foomonkey: I think system-wide is in /etc/environment
[11:29] <theine> Hi, when I start any X application from the terminal, I get "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168" many, many times. Does anybody know a cure for that?
[11:29] <tortho> cherwin, this means "sudo dhclient ra0" on mine.. Looks like it is just waiting, and waiting :-( DHCP is turned on and everything, my 2 other computers are working, and the problem computer is working as well, but under Windows...
[11:29] <siofwolves> DShepherd, nm-applet starts the network-manager
[11:29] <dtygel> hi all: does someone know how to mount /dev/cdrom0 with the same charset as a windows saved cdrom? I'm having problems with accents...
[11:29] <siofwolves> i need network-manager-gnome
[11:30] <tortho> cherwin it replyes that no dhcp offers is received.
[11:30] <foomonkey> system-wide , ie shared by all users, would be fine. on other unixes that is /etc/profile. on ubuntu, its /etc/environment?
[11:30] <DShepherd> siofwolves: network-admin? if that doesnt work. then I dont know what will
[11:30] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:30] <cherwin> what kind of network address do you use tortho?
[11:30] <bjornkri> Woohoo.. I've updated
[11:31] <tortho> cherwin: 192.168.132.xxx
[11:31] <bjornkri> Where do I find mplayer, though? I've uncommented the lines in sources.list, but still there's no mplayer package found.
[11:31] <tjacobs> hello all, I seem to be having weird sound issues. All the players look like they are playing just fine, but there is no sound. The odd exception is flash files play sounds just fine
[11:31] <tjacobs> this seems like it would be an engine issue, anybody got some insight for things to try?
[11:32] <cherwin> okay fire up your terminal and type 'ifconfig ra0 192.168.132.x'
[11:32] <uXp> anyone can link me to themes sites?
[11:32] <cherwin> then you could ping your computers that are directly connected
[11:32] <benplaut> i use 2 mice... one on my dock, and one for traveling.  Unfortunately, they are different DPI, so the sensativity is different.  Is there a way to configure mouse sensativity individually?
[11:32] <Acke___> ompaul im unscrewed all visible screws but cant remove the bottom cover or anything but the memories and the drive
[11:32] <boricua> i am in the middle of instalation  partitioners tells me partition 1 and 5 will be formated but it does not tell me about 2,3,4 and what will be the mount point of those any ideas what it is doing?
[11:32] <Hexidigital_> tjacobs:: run alsamixer in terminal, and check the PCM volume
[11:32] <tjacobs> Hexidigital_, tried that already, to no avail
[11:32] <cherwin> if you want to browse the web you'll have to set up a default gateway and a nameserver
[11:32] <Hexidigital_> tjacobs:: :(
[11:32] <uXp> anyone can link me to themes sites?
[11:32] <OneSeventeen> how do I add a new pannel to gnome?
[11:33] <uXp> right click on it
[11:33] <uXp> add
[11:33] <ompaul> Acke___, well if you don't know how to get to it, I guess its repair shop for it
[11:33] <OneSeventeen> (I want to add a new panel, not add something to the panel)
[11:33] <cherwin> Acke___: you'll almost certainly have to remove your keyboard
[11:33] <Hexidigital_> OneSeventeen:: you will get an option to add a new panel
[11:33] <IcemanV9> OneSeventeen: right-click > new panel
[11:33] <OneSeventeen> Doh, now that I found some free space on my panel, it says "New Panel"... oops!
[11:34] <sorku> i keep getting Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the package 'binutils' installed whn i install nvidia drivers on kubuntu (breezer), what should i do? :)
[11:34] <tortho> cherwin, i have set the computer now to <IP_ADDRESS>, i can not ping, the TX is increasing, but RX is still at 0 so it doesn't receive any..
[11:34] <uXp> What is GTK?
[11:34] <OneSeventeen> thanks uXp Hexidigital_ and IcemanV9  should have noticed this sooner!
[11:34] <assasukasse> if i don't want pcmcia and pcmcia_core to be loaded at bootup what should i do?
[11:34] <tortho> cherwin, gateway and dns is set to my server <IP_ADDRESS> as the other computers... but it can't get any web pages either
[11:34] <Hexidigital_> OneSeventeen:: we always miss the obvious :)
[11:35] <uXp> Seventeen : What?
[11:35] <bjornkri> What's the best way to install mplayer?
[11:35] <ReWT_AxS> is anyone having a weird low pitched sound cutting into their speakers?
[11:35] <uXp> oh ok gotcha
[11:35] <uXp> What is GTK?
[11:35] <IcemanV9> bjornkri: sudo aptitude install mplayer
[11:35] <Hexidigital_> ReWT_AxS:: i do on my server (on occasion) , but not my laptop
[11:35] <uXp> i don't know what it is ppl always tlakig about it
[11:36] <ReWT_AxS> im getting it on my laptop :-\
[11:36] <ReWT_AxS> is there any way i can check for errors in the speaker set up?
[11:36] <Acke___> ompaul, so what could have happend, if the bios jsut decide to stop initiating?
[11:36] <Hexidigital_> ReWT_AxS:: thats wierd
[11:36] <cherwin> tortho, thats odd, are you sure that everything is set up correctly? can you reach one of your computers if you're just connecting with utp?
[11:36] <icheyne> uXp: gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit.  You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2.  They are NOT compatible.  They are totally separate..
[11:36] <bjornkri> IcemanV9: not working, no such package
[11:36] <sorku> ReWT_AxS: are the speakers grounded?
[11:36] <IcemanV9> bjornkri: if you want to be specific with CPU, then sudo aptitude install mplayer-(CPU type) e.g mplayer-686
[11:36] <neutrinomass> uXp: Programs use so called "toolkits" to draw the windows, buttons etc. GTK is the toolkit on which Gnome/XFCE are based.
[11:36] <Hexidigital_> sorku:: it in a laptop
[11:36] <ReWT_AxS> they are built in
[11:37] <ompaul> Acke___, several thinks including "death" of machine, the monitor, have you plugged in a an external monitor
[11:37] <Acke___> ompaul. no i will try that
[11:38] <uXp> becasue for a thme i need gtk2.0
[11:38] <uXp> them*
[11:38] <uXp> theme*
[11:38] <tortho> cherwin, how do i do that (udp) ? The setup on the probnlem machine is the same as the one i'm using now, when i open "system,"->Administration->Network, I then have the same config on both... except that the one i'm using now has DHCP...
[11:38] <uXp> so i just installed sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[11:38] <Shmenge> .seen slouken
[11:38] <ocx32> and whats the service to enable pop3 email on my server?
[11:38] <tortho> cherwin: What about wich channel it is using? can that be wrong?
[11:38] <uXp> was that correct?
[11:38] <Shmenge> !seen slouken
[11:38] <liquoredonlife> Shmenge, I have not seen slouken.
[11:38] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'slouken', Shmenge
[11:38] <ompaul> Acke___, really its a hard wear issue we deal in specific ubuntu issues, I would like to help you but really without the machine I don't stand a chance
[11:38] <icheyne> uXp: suppose so
[11:38] <uXp> ok thx
[11:39] <halcyon512> i'm having trouble installing beta3 of gaim 2.0, does the ./configure script output to a specific directory where I should run make?
[11:39] <uXp> whew i so stressed that out i got mad and almost uninstall ubuntu!
[11:39] <uXp> lol @ myself
[11:39] <Acke___> ompaul, okay thanks
[11:39] <icheyne> uXp: did it work?
[11:39] <mjr> on vh
[11:39] <uXp> yea but it said i need more .lib files
[11:39] <cherwin> tortho: thats up to you to choose the correct channel could you post an 'ifconfig -a' and an 'iwlist scan' please?
[11:39] <caskey>  I'm trying to make two systems have matching package installs, I've used 'get/set selections' to copy the selections from one to the other, now how do I get dpkg to actually install the selected packages?
[11:40] <icheyne> uXp: OK, well so long as your apt-get repositories have them, you should be ok. :)
[11:40] <__mikem> HEy, I was wondering, are there any free tools to convert m4v files into a more standardized format
[11:40] <uXp> libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.8.5) but it is not going to be installed
[11:40] <tortho> cherwin OK, i'll get a memorystick to copy the content over :-)
[11:40] <uXp> where wouldi get those libs?
[11:41] <icheyne> uXp: isn't it a debian package?
[11:41] <uXp> um im not sure i don't know what im doing, lol
[11:41] <icheyne> open Synaptic and do a search for libglib2.0-dev
[11:41] <icheyne> (after doing an update) and then install it
[11:42] <uXp> im just gonna find those files says i need and install them
[11:42] <icheyne> right
[11:42] <Madeye> guys, How can I send files using bluetooth ? any GUI ?
[11:42] <pharmakom> Has anyone else seen this message when trying to start wpasupplicant?
[11:42] <pharmakom> mkdir[ctrl_interface] : No such file or directory
[11:42] <pharmakom> Failed to initialize control interface ' /var/run/wpa_supplicant'.
[11:42] <uXp> hmm
[11:42] <uXp> Depends: libglib2.0-0 (=2.10.2-1ubuntu3) but 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:43] <icheyne> ok so install tat
[11:43] <Shmenge> anybody at all? I can't get my macbook to triple boot for the life of me. I followed this guys instructions to the last detail but the parts at the end didnt work
[11:43] <Shmenge> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187465&highlight=macbook+pro
[11:44] <boricua> can someone help me at this stage of instalation?
[11:44] <uXp> there is no such file when i searched for it
[11:44] <icheyne> what no libglib2.0-dev?
[11:44] <benplaut> i use 2 mice... one on my dock, and one for traveling.  Unfortunately, they are different DPI, so the sensativity is different.  Is there a way to configure mouse sensativity individually?
[11:44] <Shmenge> The ELILO installer crashed the system, so ELILO didnt get installed, so I did what he said and I ran the LiveCD and downloaded LILO, installed it just like he said, but when I went to run lilo bash said command not found
[11:44] <uXp> no 2.10.3-0ubuntu1
[11:45] <uXp> for Depends: libglib2.0-0 (=2.10.2-1ubuntu3) but 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:45] <icheyne> type this into a command line - sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[11:45] <icheyne> should do it automatically no?
[11:45] <boricua> i ran the live cd and now click on install , i told partitioner to use entire disk, and it tells me partition 1 & 5 will be formated  1 as ext 3 and 5 as swap but it does not tells me about 2,3,4 and which mount poits its giong to have
[11:45] <uXp> no
[11:45] <uXp> says
[11:46] <uXp> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:46] <mindmedic> Shmenge: does lilo support macbooks...
[11:46] <tescoil> What I gotta do to *upgrade* to 6.06.  I don't want to risk an *install* that's going to wipe personal files.
[11:46] <icheyne> ah
[11:46] <icheyne> I've seen those errors
[11:46] <uXp> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:46] <icheyne> hang on
[11:46] <mindmedic> i got a mac here, but i think it has a different bootloader
[11:46] <SAM_theman> http://pastebin.com/770891
[11:46] <uXp> ok
[11:46] <pharmakom> To upgrade, just edit your apt.sources file. Replace all breezy with dapper.
[11:47] <uXp> who
[11:47] <Shmenge> mindmedic - supposedly, because you're supposed to install it to the same partition linux is on
[11:47] <cherwin> tescoil: learn to maintain a backup, it really is usefull when disaster happens to strike
[11:47] <SAM_theman> I seem to get that damn error all the time when i try to play a game
[11:47] <Shmenge> as opposed to the MBR
[11:47] <Dreamglider> good evening
[11:47] <uXp> hello
[11:47] <SAM_theman> it installs perfectly but then when i lauch it it gives me that
[11:47] <pharmakom> Hi
[11:47] <mindmedic> Shmenge: no.. i would never install 2 operating systems on one partition
[11:47] <valehru> what are the different ftp servers for dapper? vsftpd, proftpd and what else?  which one do you think is more reliable?
[11:47] <uXp> i did
[11:47] <benplaut> uXp: do you have Synaptic open, or are updates going?
[11:47] <gnuts> hi, help please. no matter what I try /dev/hdb1 will not mount at boot it has an ext3 filesystem, my fstab entry: /dev/hdb1/ /home/drive2 ext3 defaults 0 0 doesn't work (nor do many others) what am I missing?
[11:47] <uXp> its open
[11:48] <mindmedic> breezy has its ext2 and macos has its hpfs(or whatever it is called)
[11:48] <uXp> go on
[11:48] <benplaut> close it
[11:48] <Shmenge> no, not two operating systems
[11:48] <uXp> done
[11:48] <monteiro> how can i make the sound juicer support the extract of audio cd to mp3 format, instead of the default .ogg ?
[11:48] <lerelele> hi! I've got two soundcards and i want to set one of them by default in alsa. Any ideas of how can this be done?
[11:48] <Shmenge> the bootloader on the same partition as nix
[11:48] <Jason_> Hey guys.. what is the best cd ripper/encoder front end for Linux?
[11:48] <benplaut> ok, i g2g
[11:48] <tescoil> Okay, is there a way to upgrade from a burned iso, or is that strictly for installs?
[11:48] <icheyne> uXp: now run the command again
[11:48] <tortho> cherwin: Here is both the trouble computer, and my working one.. Look at the ESSID's at the scan ?!? http://pastebin.com/770895
[11:48] <uXp> ok done
[11:48] <uXp> but error
[11:48] <halcyon512> boricua: i think 2, 3, and 4 are for other parts of the file system, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive_partitioning#UNIX_systems For UNIX-based and UNIX-like operating systems such as Linux, fancy partitioning creates separate partitions for /, /boot, /home, /tmp, /usr, /var, /opt and swap.
[11:48] <uXp>  libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.2-1ubuntu3) but 2.10.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:48] <cherwin> gnuts: open up a console with 'tail -f /var/log/messages' then do a manual mount and look at the error in your previous console
[11:49] <bjornkri> *groan*
[11:49] <gnuts> it mounts by manual command just fine
[11:49] <icheyne> uXp: try rebooting and run it again
[11:49] <bjornkri> The only mplayer in Synaptic is 'kmplayer'... where do I find the regular mplayer?
[11:49] <uXp> the whole system?
[11:49] <boricua> halcyon512:but why will it not format those as well since i have other stuff there?
[11:49] <icheyne> yes
[11:49] <caskey> boricua the auto partition only creates two partitions, 1 and 5 (more or less), the others are essentially unused
[11:49] <mindmedic> Shmenge: i guess it is on the linux partition... breezy did everything automatically. I am sorry, I only have one mac to administer so i am not very interested in mac problems...
[11:49] <uXp> does logging off count?
[11:49] <icheyne> probably safer to reboot
[11:49] <uXp> ok
[11:50] <icheyne> no guarantees, but it's worth trying
[11:50] <uXp> brb
[11:50] <bjornkri> The only mplayer in Synaptic is 'kmplayer'... where do I find the regular mplayer? This is on a freshly installed Dapper.
[11:50] <uXp> ok
[11:50] <winbond> good evening
[11:50] <halcyon512> boricua: i'm not sure what you're asking and i'm sure others here know alot more about how partitioning works than I do.
[11:50] <boricua> caskey: does it erase what is in those currently?
[11:50] <opitwin> Hello
[11:50] <cherwin> tortho: your trouble desktop doesn't see the "Strigen Access Point" so that needs to be fixed, try setting your AP at channel 6 and try it again
[11:51] <uXp> what was the code again?
[11:51] <runes> NoUse,  I tested both drives with the maxtor util....all came out fine so to be sure I low level formatted the 80 gig and am ready to set it up
[11:51] <halcyon512> bjornkri: have you added universe and multiverse repositories?
[11:51] <boricua> caskey: i think is bad that the auto partitioner only creates 2 partitiones / and swap?  and how does it decide size?
[11:51] <tortho> cherwin: can't i set the trouble computer to 12 insted? If i set that to 6, then i guess i have to reconf the 2 other computers? In both linux & windows :-)
[11:51] <icheyne> uXp: sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[11:51] <bjornkri> halcyon512: yeah... as far as I can tell anyway
[11:52] <NoUse> runes ok
[11:52] <uXp> same error
[11:52] <icheyne> pfft
[11:52] <jonas3> Maxtor sucks!
[11:52] <opitwin> !packages
[11:52] <ubotu> well, packages is You can browse the packages in the Ubuntu repositories from http://packages.ubuntu.com .  It also has a nifty file search feature.
[11:52] <javier> Hola
[11:52] <uXp> now what
[11:52] <halcyon512> bjornkri: hmm...i was able to find it under there, make sure you've reloaded the repositories after applying the changes?
[11:52] <jonas3> Had 2 200 Gb drives gone bad in 2 years
[11:52] <cherwin> gnuts: omit the trailing / , in other words it's /dev/hdb and not /dev/hdb/
[11:52] <runes> NoUse,  If you can guide me to the proper way to format and mount it I will jot down the notes ?
[11:52] <jonas3> Seagate has been working alot better for me
[11:52] <uXp> 500 G HD here <
[11:52] <icheyne> uXp: sorry dude
[11:52] <opitwin> ubotu: Thank You
[11:52] <bjornkri> halcyon512: yeah, about 5 times :p
[11:52] <ubotu> pas de quoi, opitwin
[11:52] <icheyne> I'm a newbie too
[11:53] <ja3x1> guys this new dapper desktop cd iso is confusing to install
[11:53] <NoUse> runes yes, is it /dev/hdb1 now?
[11:53] <jonas3> 4x Seagate 750 Gb and you have some disk
[11:53] <ja3x1> how do i install it like the old breezy badger style
[11:53] <Shmenge> i'm surprised no one else here has one there are a lot of people here
[11:53] <runes> NoUse,  how can I verify that?
[11:53] <NoUse> ja3x1 how so?
[11:53] <bjornkri> halcyon512: I've got all the boxes checked in the repositories list
[11:53] <ja3x1> you know the old one was nice and easy
[11:53] <ja3x1> you press enter
[11:53] <ja3x1> and it loads into text based instaler
[11:53] <NoUse> runes 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' will list all paritioons
[11:53] <xcoder> anybody from romania ?
[11:53] <Shmenge> this is the first mac machine I bought, i bought it with the intentions of tearing it to pieces :)
[11:53] <trippyskippy> ja3x1, you need to download alternative CD for that
[11:53] <ja3x1> now it goes into a live cd
[11:53] <cherwin> tortho: yes indeed, but if you're desktop has trouble detecting your AP you have to try this
[11:53] <Shadyman_> Holy carp, almost 900 users? wow.
[11:53] <NoUse> ja3x1 the alternate cd is the text mode installer
[11:53] <gnuts> cherwin, when I manually mounted the drive from one terminal the tail terminal did nothing
[11:54] <ja3x1> finally
[11:54] <ja3x1> i find out
[11:54] <ja3x1> thanks guys
[11:54] <NoUse> Shadyman_ nearly 1100 on Dapper release day
[11:54] <Shadyman_> NoUse: Wow.
[11:54] <cherwin> gnuts, did you do the tail as root?
[11:54] <gnuts> nope
[11:54] <trippyskippy> probably less than 100 actually reading though
[11:54] <cherwin> please do it as root gnuts
[11:54] <Shadyman_> trippyskippy: True.
[11:54] <NoUse> trippyskippy I'm sure
[11:54] <jared_> No audio, trying to get output through SPDIF, reinstalled alsa-source tried using different layers any ideas?
[11:55] <opitwin> Hello cva_
[11:55] <runes> NoUse,  ok showing /dev/hdb 81.9 gig no partitions (due to low level format)
[11:55] <uXp> hmm
[11:55] <xcoder> somebody can help me to setup a tvtuner & tvtime, looks like tvtuner is ok, but received just 1 chanel
[11:55] <bjornkri> weird.. mplayer isn't even on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ under Dapper
[11:55] <ernoins> I have downloaded PC (Intel x86) server install CD  onto a CD.. what do I have to do to install it?  When I boot up with the cd in the tray, it just boots up into windows.
[11:55] <uXp> installing GTK is gettig on my nerves
[11:55] <cherwin> bjornkri, install mplayer from cvs, thats the best way to do it
[11:56] <opitwin> ernoins: Put it in the server CD Drive before it boots
[11:56] <shibley> does anyone know how to declare boost?
[11:56] <valehru> omg, i just downloaded dapper in 9 minutes
[11:56] <valehru> lol
[11:56] <Sivik> how do i tell if lts is installed
[11:56] <uXp> Need help installing GTK+
[11:56] <caskey> boricua swap is 2X physical ram, the rest goes in /
[11:56] <tortho> cherwin... This is strange.. setting it to 6 did make it work... and my laptop still works as well....?!?
[11:56] <ernoins> opitwin: I have... it doesn't change anything.  Do I have to go in through the bios or something?
[11:56] <cva_> thanks for the welcome opitwin
[11:56] <halcyon512> bjornkri: hmm...odd its' not working then. sorry I can't be of more help.
[11:56] <gnuts> cherwin, terminal still does nothing, it mounts fine and I have access to the files there
[11:56] <opitwin> ernoins: Does the Ubuntu CD boot?
[11:57] <cherwin> yeah it sometimes automaticly detects it, i haven't researched the cause why it still works, so you got me
[11:57] <ernoins> obitwin: no.. it doesn't recognize it.
[11:57] <caskey> boricua and yeah, you could consider it to be bad that it does that, but for a novice user, there's not much point in trying to do more.  Disk partition is a dark art at best, no one scheme or formula works for all situations.
[11:57] <NoUse> runes ok, 'sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb'
[11:57] <cherwin> anyway your problem is appearently solved tortho?
[11:57] <eeyoregyrl> hi everyone
[11:57] <uXp> Need help installing GTK+...anyone who knows
[11:57] <cherwin> ok and now do a mount -a and watch the terminal for errors
[11:58] <eeyoregyrl> yah whatever;/
[11:58] <gnuts> ok
[11:58] <tortho> cherwin, thanks a lot, I'll add this usefull things to my bugreport, wich i submitted som 3-4 months ago :-) Thanks again!
[11:58] <uXp> its sudo mount -a
[11:58] <halcyon512> hi eeyoregyrl
[11:58] <h4v0k> how do i make a .bin executable
[11:58] <eeyoregyrl> hi e
[11:58] <h4v0k> +x?
[11:58] <runes> NoUse,  ok ready
[11:58] <Healot> chmod +x
[11:58] <eeyoregyrl> waz up/
[11:58] <opitwin> ernoins: Open up the setup utility(usually by pressing F2) and make sure that the CD Rom drive is set to boot before the HD
[11:58] <NoUse> runes I gotta run, basically, create the partition in cfdisk, then run 'sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1'
[11:58] <h4v0k> ya ok
[11:58] <xcoder> somebody can help me to setup a tvtuner & tvtime, looks like tvtuner is ok, but received just 1 channel ...
[11:58] <cherwin> you're welcome :^)
[11:58] <Healot> no, chmod -x :)
[11:58] <trippyskippy> h4v0k,  "sudo chmod 775 filename"
[11:58] <eeyoregyrl> hwtaare u doing?
[11:58] <runes> NoUse,  ok got it
[11:58] <capiCrimm> anyone know what package contains glut.h?(I'm guessing one of the mesa ones?)
[11:58] <h4v0k> no +x or anything
[11:58] <runes> NoUse,  ty!
[11:58] <eeyoregyrl> got what?
[11:58] <h4v0k> jus 775
[11:58] <Renault> What the difference between Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Edubunu, nubutu ?
[11:59] <uXp> need help installing  2.10.3-0ubuntu1
[11:59] <Healot> libmesa*-dev or libgl*-dev
[11:59] <crimsun_> Renault: the default set of packages, that's it.
[11:59] <NoUse> runes, np, good luck
[11:59] <uXp> www.ubuntu.com Renault
[11:59] <eeyoregyrl> the different people
[11:59] <Renault> ok ok ^^
[11:59] <capiCrimm> Renault, not too much besides default pacakges and window managers.
[11:59] <eeyoregyrl> bye
[11:59] <xcoder> somebody can help me to setup a tvtuner & tvtime, looks like tvtuner is ok, but received just 1 channel ... and no sound
[11:59] <Renault> environnement graphic ?
[11:59] <uXp> need help installing  2.10.3-0ubuntu1
[11:59] <boricua> caskey: i had 2 partitiones there is 2 3 4 going to be there or will it be just unused space
[12:00] <Renault> xfce, Gnome, KDE etc. ?


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[12:15] <carlos> hi
[12:15] <SteveA> hi
[12:15] <SteveA> hi
[12:15] <danilos> hi
[12:16] <SteveA> so, stub and I were just talking about the downtime required to run the rosetta updates
[12:16] <danilos> yeah
[12:16] <carlos> SteveA: do we have info about when is launchpad less used ?
[12:16] <SteveA> stub tells me that with the current code, we're talking about many hours' downtime
[12:16] <SteveA> I have a few comments about this that we should consider
[12:17] <SteveA> 1. we don't want to take down all of launchpad for N hours in order to do rosetta updates
[12:17] <carlos> between 2 and 4 hours
[12:17] <SteveA> 2. is it not possible to do the updates incrementally?
[12:17] <SteveA> about 1,
[12:17] <stub> 2-4 hours per run, or 2-4 hours for both runs?
[12:17] <carlos> stub: per run
[12:18] <SteveA> if we need to do lots of rosetta database work, we can take down just rosetta,
[12:18] <carlos> that's on staging
[12:18] <carlos> and it depends on the load of the server, because sometimes is done in 2 hours and other times in 3 hours and a half
[12:18] <SteveA> by changing the authorization adapters to deny all rosetta edits
[12:18] <SteveA> and changing the "permission denied" page to say about rosetta being under maintenance
[12:18] <SteveA> so, that's one way of managing this
[12:18] <SteveA> so, the rest of launchpad (shipit, bugs, etc.) can stay running
[12:19] <danilos> I think that might be the best way out
[12:19] <SteveA> but
[12:19] <carlos> yeah, at least for this initial run
[12:19] <carlos> next time, for edgy + 1
[12:19] <carlos> will be rosetta and soyuz
[12:19] <SteveA> let's talk about why this needs to be done all in one go
[12:19] <danilos> on the other hand, it will take longer that way, no?
[12:19] <SteveA> why can't we run it a little at a time
[12:19] <SteveA> with pauses in between?
[12:20] <SteveA> for example, one package at a time
[12:20] <stub> I think Steve means one package at a time with commits in between
[12:20] <carlos> hmm
[12:20] <danilos> well, it was designed in such a way that it can be run that way, since it also supports incremental updates; carlos, isn't that so?
[12:20] <carlos> yes, it is
[12:20] <carlos> not per package
[12:20] <carlos> but per table
[12:20] <carlos> doing it per package will require to add some extra code
[12:20] <carlos> the problem of doing it per table
[12:21] <carlos> is that at some point people will start seeing some inconsistent data
[12:21] <carlos> but I don't think they could actually break anything
[12:21] <danilos> well, then the per-package seems easier and safer
[12:21] <carlos> we don't point to edgy translations so the amount of people looking at that data would be really small
[12:22] <carlos> danilos: but also much more slow
[12:22] <SteveA> that's okay
[12:22] <SteveA> it's okay for it to take a week
[12:22] <stub> yup
[12:22] <SteveA> if it means no interruptions in service
[12:22] <danilos> well, but it will lock only a package at a time
[12:22] <carlos> SteveA: but it will only be useful for this two runs we need now
[12:22] <danilos> and each will be locked for like a really small amount of time
[12:22] <SteveA> if one package is locked for 30 minutes, once
[12:22] <SteveA> then that's fine
[12:22] <carlos> edgy + 1 will not need that approach, right?
[12:22] <stub> It will lock the tables it is inserting into as normal, but the locks will be for a much shorter period and probably unnoticible.
[12:23] <SteveA> 3 minutes is even better than 30
[12:23] <danilos> yeah, I think it will be far less than 30 minutes
[12:23] <SteveA> but this is a much better approach for our service overall
[12:23] <stub> If it takes 30 mins to do the inserts for one package, or even 1 minute, then I don't know if this approach is doable on the live system.
[12:23] <carlos> oo.org would take more than 5 minutes...
[12:23] <carlos> it's a monster...
[12:24] <SteveA> so, we could do the large packages in a maintenance period
[12:24] <SteveA> we need to find out how long an average-sized package will take
[12:24] <carlos> SteveA: hmmm
[12:24] <SteveA> otherwise, look for a smaller granularity of commit still
[12:24] <carlos> I really prefer if we close rosetta
[12:25] <carlos> this change is going to delay edgy translations again
[12:25] <carlos> and I'm already getting lots of complains about it
[12:25] <carlos> the changes we are talking about would take more than a couple of days between code changes, testing on staging, code reviews and landing on production
[12:25] <carlos> + the time to deploy it
[12:26] <carlos> so that would be end of next week in the best case
[12:27] <danilos> well, this is actually true, so it all depends on the timing
[12:27] <SteveA> stu and i agree that we can take rosetta down
[12:27] <SteveA> if you guys can write some security code that
[12:28] <SteveA> has a launchpad.conf option
[12:28] <SteveA> so that when this option is set
[12:28] <SteveA> permission is denied to everything except for launchpad.Admins
[12:29] <carlos> even for the pages that are read only ?
[12:29] <SteveA> and to either
[12:29] <carlos> I mean, the ones that doesn't need to be logged in
[12:29] <SteveA> 1. raise a custom subclass of ForbiddenAttribute or whatever
[12:30] <SteveA> or 2. customize the forbidden oops page (and authorization required, or whatever)
[12:30] <SteveA> we need to do this for every page that allows writing to rosetta
[12:30] <danilos> so, carlos, what do you think about this?
[12:30] <SteveA> we'll test on staging
[12:30] <SteveA> by locking the rosetta tables
[12:30] <carlos> if it's just for teh pages that allow writing
[12:31] <SteveA> and checking that we can't lock up launchpad
[12:31] <SteveA> just for edit pages
[12:31] <carlos> the first part is quite easy
[12:31] <SteveA> I mean, we could do this in the forms instead
[12:31] <SteveA> instead of the security code
[12:31] <carlos> the second part... is the first time I do it so I'm not sure which option is better
[12:31] <SteveA> if there are only a few rosetta forms that allow updating rosetta tables
[12:31] <SteveA> that might be easier
[12:32] <carlos> there should be 4 or 5 different forms
[12:32] <SteveA> raise a RosettaDownForMaintenance error
[12:32] <danilos> well, we also need to block imports, no?
[12:32] <SteveA> yes
[12:32] <SteveA> and do an error page for RosettaDownForMaintenance
[12:32] <carlos> danilos: that's just a matter of disable the cron job
[12:32] <SteveA> we'll be making the tables read only to the launchpad user anyway
[12:32] <SteveA> so the database-level stuff will be okay
[12:32] <SteveA> but we want to give nice errors and not OOPSes
[12:33] <danilos> ok, just taking notes of everything
[12:33] <carlos> ok
[12:35] <danilos> so carlos
[12:35] <danilos> what do you want us to do? rosetta downtime, right?
[12:36] <SteveA> just to check something
[12:36] <SteveA> when we were in london together
[12:36] <SteveA> we talked about updating the stuff into a temporary table
[12:36] <SteveA> and then in a separate transaction, or separate translactions, moving them across to the real tables
[12:36] <SteveA> is that the approach you've taken?
[12:37] <danilos> mostly, I think carlos put the temp table creation into the same transaction (so it doesn't get out of sync)
[12:37] <SteveA> um
[12:37] <SteveA> that kinda obviates the point
[12:38] <carlos> danilos: yes, I would prefer to do the downtime
[12:38] <danilos> temp table is reading only, so it can probably be moved out without too much problems
[12:38] <danilos> carlos: ok, then lets do that as painlessly as possible
[12:39] <danilos> carlos: btw, didn't we get any improvements with temp tables? do we have indexes in there?
[12:39] <stub> So build all the inserts into tables. Then, a few rows at a time, insert some data into the production tables, delete from the temporary store, and commit.
[12:39] <carlos> danilos: indexes helped a bit
[12:39] <carlos> but not too much
[12:40] <carlos> SteveA, stub: I guess that it could make us to lose some translations for the migration (anyone added after the temporary table is created)
[12:41] <stub> carlos: That would have happened anyway, as the migration script would be using a snapshot of the database at the time the migration was started
[12:41] <carlos> stub: well, if rosetta is closed
[12:41] <danilos> stub: it gets a bit more complicated because of references and us updating table-by-table
[12:41] <carlos> no new translations will be added, right?
[12:43] <carlos> also, we should block any import from poimport script for edgy or as soon as the potemplate table is filled, entries from the queue will start to be importing
[12:43] <carlos> giving us conflicts with the temporary table
[12:47] <carlos> What problem do you see If we close Rosetta ?
[12:48] <carlos> I think that's doable and in the future, that feature would be interesting  in case of a performance problem like the ones we had in the past so the rest of launchpad is not also affected
[12:50] <danilos> well, we want to go for that anyway
[12:53] <carlos> In that case, I think that closing rosetta two days
[12:53] <carlos> one per migration
[12:53] <carlos> is not a big problem, if we choose the right time when users are not doing many translations
[12:56] <SteveA> stu and i are discussing various things...
[12:59] <carlos> ok
[01:02] <SteveA> ok
[01:02] <SteveA> here's the plan
[01:03] <SteveA> stu will try the update code on a clone of production, on the production server
[01:03] <SteveA> turning off indexes and shit like that
[01:04] <SteveA> we'll get an accurate estimate of the amount of downtime
[01:04] <danilos> ok
[01:04] <SteveA> meanwhile
[01:04] <SteveA> we can assume it will take at least 2 hrs
[01:04] <carlos> SteveA: should I start working on the 'disable Rosetta' feature ?
[01:05] <SteveA> so you guys need to add a switch to launchpad.conf
[01:05] <carlos> danilos: I think I should work on it as I'm just switching tasks and you already have a lot of open things
[01:05] <SteveA> that causes rosetta edit views etc. to raise RosettaDownForMaintenance when the view is viewed
[01:05] <SteveA> as well as edited
[01:05] <SteveA> and an error view for RosettaDownForMaintenance
[01:06] <SteveA> and we need to test this on staging, by stu turning off write access to rosetta tables
[01:06] <carlos> sounds good to me
[01:07] <carlos> stub: the script should be run with '-d ubuntu -r dapper' the first time and the next one with '-d ubuntu -r edgy'
[01:07] <danilos> carlos: sure, be my guest :)
[01:07] <carlos> the first one will migrate translations from breezy to dapper and the next one will copy all translations from dapper to edgy
[04:30] <flacoste> hi SteveA
[04:30] <SteveA> hi salgado
[04:30] <SteveA> hi flacoste
[04:30] <salgado> hey!
[04:30] <flacoste> i think the spec you were looking for was https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadI18n
[04:30] <flacoste> actually, that we should have looked for
[04:30] <SteveA> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-support-tracker/+spec/localized-support
[04:30] <SteveA> https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadI18n
[04:31] <SteveA> first, let's talk about the overall point of LocalizeSupportRequests
[04:31] <salgado> I pasted that on #canonical, didn't I?
[04:31] <salgado> okay
[04:31] <SteveA>     *
[04:31] <SteveA>       Grandma Lucille, who doesn't speak English, was navigating on the web until she reached a flash page, whose content she can't see because the flash plugin is not installed. She'll then click on "Help -> Get Help Online ..." and make a support request in Launchpad.
[04:31] <SteveA>     *
[04:31] <SteveA>       Malba Tahan, a very nice guy who knows a lot about Ubuntu is willing to share his knowledge by answering some support requests. He goes to the Support facet of Ubuntu and look for open requests. He sees a list of requests written in one of his preferred languages, pick up a randon one in Arabic and answers it.
[04:31] <SteveA>
[04:31] <SteveA> these are use-cases from the spec
[04:32] <SteveA> so, we have requirements around identifying which support requests are written in a particular language
[04:32] <SteveA> and of allowing people to file support requests in their own language
[04:32] <SteveA> is that right, as overall goals?
[04:32] <salgado> right
[04:32] <SteveA> so, the support tracker needs to be able to track various things about what language the request is made in
[04:32] <flacoste> exactly
[04:32] <SteveA> and that's self-contained in the support tracker application
[04:33] <SteveA> I totally trust you guys to do a good job there
[04:33] <flacoste> that was the plan there
[04:33] <SteveA> what I'm concerned about is how this touches other parts of launchpad
[04:33] <salgado> what would these various things about the language be?
[04:33] <SteveA> and that a good plan for the support tracker may cause problems elsewhere
[04:33] <flacoste> the spec also covers what we needed form the launchpad infrastructure
[04:34] <SteveA> first of all, some overall concerns
[04:34] <SteveA>  - if we localize a page element that appears on the support pages, but also elsewhere
[04:35] <SteveA>    then we get partially localized pages in other parts of the application
[04:35] <flacoste> (that was covered indirectly in the spec)
[04:36] <salgado> was it?
[04:36] <flacoste> workaround) Translate strings for support. Display a message when going to untranslated section of the site.Mark template as translated or not. Force English when using an untranslated template.
[04:36] <SteveA> and then, all the unresolved issues in https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadI18n
[04:38] <SteveA> as far as managing risk goes...
[04:39] <SteveA> i think we should split the support tracker goals up into two specs
[04:39] <SteveA> 1. making the support tracker support multiple languages of support issues, but with its UI remaining untranslated
[04:40] <SteveA> 2. translating the launchpad UI, with the first parts to be translated being the support-tracker and the login workflow
[04:40] <SteveA> to make 1. a 1.0 goal, but not 2.
[04:40] <SteveA> because 2. touches so much stuff, and puts an unexpected burden on the infrastructure work
[04:41] <SteveA> that doesn't mean we can't get to 2. for 1.0, but it means that we aren't committing to it
[04:41] <SteveA> what do you all think?
[04:41] <salgado> I think that'd be quite awful, usability-wise, but I can understand it
[04:43] <flacoste> i agree that posting a question in my native language while the UI is in English doesn't look too good, but I can understand the idea of doing this two-steps
[04:43] <salgado> okay, now we need to convince mark of that, right?
[04:43] <SteveA> I'd really plan this as three specs
[04:43] <SteveA>  - make the support tracker work in multiple languages for the support requests, inc. data model changes etc.
[04:44] <stub> Last time we were looking at this, it seemed like the i18n would be postponed indefinitely. To participate in open source development, you needed to have at least basic English skills. I'm unsure if other parts of Launchpad will ever want to be localized, and it will be unfortunate if there is fallout in the rest of Launchpad to support localized support request tracking.
[04:44] <SteveA>  - make launchpad support internationalization
[04:44] <SteveA>  - make the support tracker and login / registration system internationalized and localized
[04:44] <SteveA> we have a dependency relationship between these specs
[04:44] <SteveA> two of the specs are in the domain of logins and support tracking
[04:44] <SteveA> one is in the domain of infrastrcuture
[04:45] <SteveA> now, in terms of planning 1.0 features
[04:45] <SteveA> as leader of the infrastructure team, I'm being asked to support a new 1.0 requirement
[04:45] <SteveA> so we need to look at resources for that
[04:45] <stub> The spec mentions searching in particular. Our search infrastructure does not support searching in non-English languages. It might work by accident in many cases, but there will be glitches we cannot solve without features being implemented upstream.
[04:46] <SteveA> now, I can imagine a work-around of sorts
[04:46] <SteveA> that is, to ignore the login / signup parts
[04:46] <SteveA> becuase people manage to log in and sign up to get shipit CDs todasy
[04:46] <SteveA> so i expect they *can* do so for support requests
[04:46] <flacoste> stub: from a developer point of view you are right, but not from an Ubuntu user point of view
[04:47] <SteveA> and to localize just the body of support pages
[04:47] <SteveA> using the language the user is interacting with the support system
[04:47] <flacoste> SteveA: what do you think of the 'Mark template as l10n idea'?
[04:47] <flacoste> to prevent half-balked localization in the other part of the system
[04:47] <SteveA> I think that's an interesting idea to solve the problem of having a rendered page consistently translated or not
[04:48] <SteveA> that's just one part of the whole infrastructural issue
[04:48] <flacoste> indeed
[04:48] <SteveA> what I would ask for next is this:
[04:48] <SteveA>  - split up the specs into the three I mentioned
[04:48] <SteveA>  - take into account the existing spec about i18n for the infrastructural aspects
[04:49] <SteveA>  - write into that spec the minimum necessary to deploy an internationalized / localized support tracker
[04:49] <SteveA> then we can come back and look closely at what we end up with
[04:49] <SteveA> and decide if this is do-able for 1.0
[04:51] <salgado> sounds good to me
[04:51] <salgado> I can do that
[04:51] <stub> Cool
[04:51] <SteveA> ok
[04:52] <flacoste> flacoste: side note: in your infrastructure spec you forgot to mention how to handle string interpolation
[04:52] <SteveA> I think the support-only first part can be done immediately
[04:52] <SteveA> I mean, not blocked
[04:52] <stub> The search issue I mentioned should be listed on the spec. We may need to contract upstream if searching in different languages is particularly bad.
[04:53] <SteveA> we should have an idea of what languages we're targetting too
[04:53] <stub> I suspect the search results will get worse the further the language gets from the standard roman alphabet.
[04:53] <flacoste> stub: there is UTF-8 support in 8.1 or 8.2 i think
[04:53] <stub> flacoste: tsearch2 has utf8 support, but it still is language dependant for stemming etc.
[04:53] <stub> (in 8.2, which doesn't exist yet, or CVS head)
[04:54] <flacoste> stub: indeed, but there is a 8.1 backport of the utf8 stuff i think
[04:54] <stub> And all our helpers force queries to ascii only, so that will all need to be rewritten.
[04:54] <stub> (because of the existing tsearch2 limitation)
[04:55] <flacoste> stub: ideally, we would also have to add support to the fti to index tickets based on their language
[04:55] <SteveA> my gut says we really should try to internationalize launchpad within the next 6 weeks
[04:55] <SteveA> um
[04:55] <SteveA> i mean
[04:55] <SteveA> my gut says we really should not try to internationalize launchpad within the next 6 weeks
[04:56] <flacoste> SteveA: yes, a list of supported language would be nice - who can decide on that?
[04:56] <SteveA> I can see it being a lot of rushed effort
[04:56] <SteveA> with flaky results because it is rushed
[04:56] <flacoste> stub: (OT: i have another fti question for you after the meeting)
[04:56] <SteveA> stu may have time to help on this
[04:57] <SteveA> but we need to look into this
[05:02] <SteveA> thanks salgado and flacoste !
[05:02] <SteveA> salgado: please tell me when we should look at the specs again
[05:02] <flacoste> To summarize:
[05:02] <flacoste> - salgado will merge the infrastructure part of LocalizedSupportRequest into LaunchpadI18n
[05:02] <flacoste> - salgado will move login workflow related changes to a separate spec
[05:02] <flacoste> - Infrastructure will review these specs to see if LaunchpadI18n and LaunchpadLoginL10n can be targetted for 1.0
[05:02] <flacoste> - add string interpolation example to LaunchpadI18n (flacoste)
[05:02] <flacoste> Other unassigned issues:
[05:02] <flacoste> - need to add search issue to LaunchpadI18n
[05:02] <flacoste> - determine list of languages to target
[05:03] <flacoste> should I mail the list with this?
[05:03] <SteveA> also
[05:03] <SteveA> we should have one spec for LocalizedSupportRequest
[05:03] <SteveA> and one spec for LocalizedSupportTracker
[05:03] <salgado> yeah, it will be kept, I assumed
[05:03] <SteveA> so that we can represent the dependencies well
[05:03] <salgado> ah, right
[05:04] <SteveA> thanks for summarizing flacoste
[05:04] <flacoste> my pleasure
[05:04] <flacoste> should I mail this summary of our discussion to the list (after including SteveA update)
[05:04] <flacoste> ?
[05:04] <SteveA> mailing the launchpad list will be good.  it needs a bit of an introduction as well, of course
[05:04] <flacoste> no problem
[05:04] <SteveA> where my points for that are
[05:05] <SteveA> that it is good to make the support tracker localized
[05:05] <SteveA> it is in a way a special part of launchpad
[05:05] <SteveA> in that it is used by end-users who don't necessarily speak english well
[05:05] <SteveA> in a way this is like shipit
[05:05] <SteveA> it is unlike rosetta (translators always speak english)
[05:06] <SteveA> and unlike malone
[05:06] <SteveA> and unlike the spec tracker
[05:06] <SteveA> (programmers always speak englilsh)
[05:06] <SteveA> I generalize a little
[05:06] <SteveA> but these are generally true
[05:06] <SteveA> we must take seriously the task of internationalizing launchpad, because it has an effect on various areas of what we do
[05:06] <SteveA> including
[05:07] <SteveA>  - code reviews (reviewers need to know what to check for and understand the mechanisms that will be appearing throughout the code)
[05:07] <SteveA>  - test running (what locale / language do we run tests in ? )
[05:07] <SteveA>  - rollouts (how do we get PO files / generate POT files for doing new rollouts? )
[05:08] <SteveA>  - web request infrastructure (is the standard stuff in zope3 good enough for our purposes)
[05:08] <SteveA>  - cookie / database language preferences (new UI, new database work, new infrastructure)
[05:08] <SteveA>  - searching infrastructure (maybe doesn't cope with languages well)
[05:09] <SteveA>  - checking the current stuff about internationalizing python in zope, zcml, page templates
[05:10] <SteveA>  - having consistently translated pages (maybe using francis' ideas)
[05:10] <SteveA>    (but that implies changes infrastructure to support it)
[05:11] <SteveA>
[05:11] <SteveA> there may be a middle-ground
[05:11] <SteveA> of just internationalizing certain page, like the support tracker pages
[05:11] <SteveA> and not worrying about having a full experience for support users
[05:11] <SteveA> oh, also
[05:11] <SteveA>  - internationalizing email we send out
[05:11] <SteveA>     like for the sign-up stuff
[05:12] <flacoste> and the ticket notifications
[05:12] <SteveA> right
[05:12] <SteveA> we should have a standard way of doing that
[05:12] <SteveA> and really, that's a spec in itself
[05:12] <SteveA> "internationalized email"
[05:12] <SteveA> as a management thing, we need to decide about doing all this in a planned and well-thought-out way
[05:13] <SteveA> or rushing it to completion over the next 6 weeks, fixing issues as we come across them
[05:13] <flacoste> (am i  to understand that 1.0 is scheduled for in 6 weeks?)
[05:13] <SteveA> and dealing with the fall-out later.   I'm keen on avoiding a rush.
[05:13] <SteveA> something like that
[05:13] <SteveA> 1 oct or so i think
[05:14] <SteveA> and people have vacations too
[05:14] <SteveA>
[05:14] <SteveA> I think that's all
[05:14] <SteveA> any comments ?
[05:15] <flacoste> not from me
[05:16] <sivang> so make sure generilzation is made to include those languages for good support just as the latin ones.
[05:16] <sivang> (for example, emails need be RTL, input fields and the whole ballgame)
[05:16] <SteveA> depends if RTL languages are in the list of ones we're focusing on
[05:17] <sivang> true
[05:18] <sivang> probably better start with the latin ones, which would incur less fallout and more quick fixable issues I suppose , and only then advance further.
[05:24] <flacoste> SteveA: i added a MessageId interpolation example to LaunchpadI18n
[05:24] <SteveA> great
[05:25] <flacoste> we have a bug with notification currently for those strings, its bug 54987
[05:25] <flacoste> the bug report include a fix, I can update the tests and submit the fix for review if you care, otherwise it can wait
[05:28] <SteveA> stub should look at that
[05:28] <SteveA> I'll assign it to him
[05:29] <flacoste> great


[11:05] <SDes91> Hi all quick question about installing ansible on an image as a controller device. I am using `NoCloud` and building an image via hashicorp Packer on Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS. I see that the logs fail on the ansible section of `user-data` but it does not mention anything else. Can I use the `ansible` module just to install ansible and not perform
[11:05] <SDes91> ansible-pull on the image?
[11:05] <SDes91> I have no idea how to get more verbose logs because the image provisioning fails and I cannot log into the QEMU image.
[12:34] <ananke> was just about to suggest using packer's on-error provisioner, too late


 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e4b29b55/file_2333.jpg
 Hi guys
 How do I select a flatpak browser here?
 figure out where the flatpak's run path is, use that as the executable?
 which flatpak browser did you install?
 I put a symbolic link for that browser in /usr/bin
 But Firefox stays selected
 you didn't answer my question
 answer my question
 sudo ln -s com.github.Eloston.UngoogledChromium /usr/bin/ungoogled-chromium
 Ungoogled-Chromium (re @teward001: which flatpak browser did you install?)
 the flatpak executables are stored here
 /var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/
 have you tried navigating to there yet and selected the executable?
 not yet :)
 going to do that now :) (re @teward001: have you tried navigating to there yet and selected the executable?)
 I have log log out and back in
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/a2fe7687/file_2334.jpg
 Firefox stil opens :s
 try setting BROWSER to a null value in /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf and possibly in ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf as well. (re @Michaël: Firefox stil acts as default :s)
 /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt/session.conf
 in this file BROWSER was set to zero
 ~/.config/lxqt/session.conf
 in this file BROWSER=/var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/com.github.Eloston.UngoogledChromium
 Do I have to set var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/com.github.Eloston.UngoogledChromium to 0
 or is this file correct?
 I am not sure, I have never tried to set a flatpak browser as default before.
 ok
 I'm going to try both then an do a reboot asap
 I can't reboot now
[22:44] <rehhouari> hello! I just installed Lubuntu, all fine except from some icons showing dark in the Discover app, is it known?
[22:44] <rehhouari> https://files.catbox.moe/n6extj.jpg


[09:16] <NCommander> So now that atheros's kernel HAL is open, can we move that driver from restricted to ubuntu/ on the mianline?


[01:02] <studio-user389> hi
[01:03] <studio-user389> wassa?
[01:03] <studio-user389> any photographer here?
[01:03] <studio-user389> Darktable? RawTherapee
[15:22] <okay> hi!  what is the key(s) to boot with normal kernel?  I'm running Studio inside up to date Virtual Box,  thanks very much!
[15:23] <okay> how do I request the kernel options on boot?
[15:28] <okay> what's the best way to make kdenlive not crash????  please and thank you
[15:29] <zequence> okay: First of all, using Virtualbox is only useful for simple stuff. For video editing or pro audio work, you'd want to install it on a real system
[15:29] <okay> I have both
[15:30] <okay> Understood zequence, thanks with respect
[15:30] <zequence> Ok. As for choosing a generic kernel - you would need to install one first
[15:30] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is more or less the same as the generic kernel, only better with latency
[15:31] <zequence> You could perhaps save some battery power with linux-generic, but that's pretty much it
[15:31] <okay> On my real box, the grub had built in options for low latency or non low latency, and thank you for your help so far too
[15:31] <zequence> If you have both, you have installed the generic kernel at some point
[15:31] <okay> okay, cool, that answers my concern, how diffent the low latency kernel was
[15:31] <zequence> It's 'sudo apt-get install linux-generic'
[15:32] <okay> ok, I'm just looking to actually use kdenlive, which I have high hopes for
[15:32] <okay> just reinstalled, lets me see what happens on load...
[15:33] <okay> kdenlive on todays install from ubuntu store appears for a moment and then nothingness
[15:34] <zequence> okay: You can use kdenlive with either kernel. No difference in functionality
[15:34] <okay> also, I am trying to just get sound to come out of Ardour
[15:34] <zequence> okay: using jack?
[15:34] <zequence> !proaudio
[15:34] <zequence> It's old, but informative
[15:34] <okay> I have tried with and without jack, I will read that though, thanks
[15:35] <okay> thanks so far zequence I appreciate your time
[15:35] <zequence> okay: np!
[15:36] <okay> I let my mac die, prefer the Ubuntu philosophy and kdenlive and Ardour are in the same boat with Final Cut X and Logic Pro X
[15:37] <zequence> I do prefer ardour over all the commercial DAWs, but I don't use a lot of flashy virtual instruments
[15:37] <okay> I have tons of experience with Logic Pro X which is almost identicle to Ardour, so I am psyched, probobobly should get to reading the article you gave me
[15:39] <okay> yep Ardour is better because of the open source development obviously I'm a developer myself one of these days I will build my own tools for Ardour
[15:40] <okay> (loading the page you gave me!  ...laggin at the moment)
[15:40] <okay> say, zequence, what music do you make lately?
[15:41] <okay> I know obtuse question, lol
[15:41] <zequence> okay: Metal, mostly, right now. Metal, sort of
[15:41] <zequence> Using ardour and some plugins
[15:41] <okay> cool
[15:42] <okay> funny my update of google chrome is a brick trying to load that page in firefox!
[15:42] <okay> ok cool
[15:44] <zequence> okay: Maybe just temporary.
[15:44] <okay> yeah fyi, my hardware set up is minimal, one usb mic well two but one to start, and I'm not there yet, just want to get a kick drum to come out of the speaker from Ardour
[15:44] <okay> so no inputs
[15:45] <okay> just getting the minimal audio out, I've been stuck for a long time
[15:45] <okay> embarassing
[15:45] <zequence> okay: Do a fresh boot. Start qjackctl. Make sure to select the correct audio device first. Then start it. And, finally, start ardour
[15:45] <okay> ok
[15:45] <zequence> By "Then start it", I mean, use the button "Start" on qjackctl to start jack
[15:46] <okay> I'm on a fresh boot other than irc and web...
[15:46] <okay> Ah I think I've gotten that far let me try again
[15:46] <zequence> okay: I say fresh boot, just to make sure there's no conflicting processes running in the background
[15:46] <okay> I thought so
[15:47] <okay> nope fresh boot, just irc and 1 web window
[15:47] <okay> how do I select correct audio device, maybe thats where I mess up
[15:47] <okay> I assume the setup, button?
[15:48] <okay> Jack says it has already started should I stop it?
[15:48] <okay> zequence? should I stop JACK? it was running when I opened the JACK Audio Connection Kit
[15:49] <zequence> okay: Then it can't have been a fresh boot :)
[15:49] <zequence> Or, did you add something to Ubuntu Studio. A PPA, perhaps?
[15:49] <okay> perhaps, let me see
[15:50] <zequence> okay: Like, KXStudio PPA?
[15:50] <okay> no
[15:50] <okay> I don't think anything, its a very clean install, but I will double check
[15:51] <zequence> okay: To make things simple, just reboot. Then, do the stuff in the right order
[15:52] <okay> ok it only takes a minute to reboot, btw the only 'ppa' would be google chrome,
[15:53] <okay> XChat will save the chat history I hope, see you in about 2 min, brb
[16:00] <okay> hi, Zequence... this time I got JACK error message log, JACK server could not be started. sorry -quote
[16:03] <okay> would alsa on mute cause that?
[16:03] <okay> I'm going to boot and try again
[16:04] <okay> leaving alsa with volume up
[16:14] <okay>  zequence, you still here?
[16:14] <zequence> okay: Yep
[16:15] <zequence> When you say ALSA, what are you referring to?
[16:15] <zequence> The desktop audio system is called pulseaudio. It uses the ALSA backend, but is its own audio server
[16:15] <zequence> Likewise, jack will use the ALSA backend by default
[16:15] <okay> oops I man pulseaudio
[16:15] <okay> meant
[16:15] <zequence> If you start jack selecting the same device pulseaudio is using, jack will grab it
[16:16] <zequence> Then, you can make pulseaudio connect to jack as if it was another jack client
[16:16] <zequence> This is, if you have jackd2 and pulseaudio-module-jack installed, which is the default
[16:17] <okay> looks like it does that automatically for my case
[16:17] <okay> input device on pulseaudio is "Jack source (PulseAudio JACK Source)
[16:18] <okay> output is... dual: Built-in Analog Stereo, and Jack sink (PulseAudio JACK Sink)
[16:18] <zequence> okay: Yes, but you need to select the output as fallback
[16:18] <zequence> okay: The green button
[16:19] <zequence> ehrm
[16:19] <okay> done
[16:19] <okay> yes, Z I hilited or clicked the green button with a white mark in it FOR Jack sink
[16:19] <zequence> Right, the green button
[16:19] <okay> which was previously the built in out
[16:20] <zequence> Yep, so now the output of all pulseaudio applications will be routed to jack
[16:20] <okay> including Ardour and I will hear sound from speakers!???
[16:20] <zequence> Well, ardour will be using jack directly
[16:20] <zequence> But, yes
[16:20] <zequence> Everything should be making a sound now
[16:21] <zequence> If you already have a PA (pulseaudio) application open, you need to restart it in order for it to use the new output
[16:21] <okay> coool, thanks man, I'll hang with you and share my joy after starting a default Ardour project
[16:22] <okay> could not reconnect to the audio/midi engine, which midi system should I select or just none?
[16:23] <zequence> okay: If jack is running, ardour will autoconnect to jack
[16:24] <zequence> Try to start a new project just in case (if you are opening an existing one)
[16:25] <okay> JACK Audio Connection Kit reads "Rolling" but I am getting midi errors, note fyi I have no midi hardware though I do sometime use software midi internally
[16:27] <okay> yep now I'm getting stuck on Ardour not creating a new project because it can not connect midi
[16:27] <zequence> okay: Try hydrogen and make some sounds with that. That's the first thing I do to test sound
[16:28] <okay> k
[16:28] <zequence> It's a drum machine/sequencer
[16:28] <zequence> Or tracker is perhaps the better word
[16:28] <Kimryd> God no it is not
[16:29] <zequence> hehe
[16:30]  * Kimryd loves Renoisd
[16:30] <Kimryd> Renoise*
[16:32] <okay> I see levels visually moving
[16:34] <okay> I gotta take a smoke break, thanks respectfully possibly catch you online again, zequence!
[19:07] <studio-user976> exit
[19:22] <studio-user358> hello everyone!
[19:22] <studio-user358> I have a bug with audacious-plugins I guess
[19:22] <studio-user358> in 16.04 two plugins are failing with: undefined symbol: XRRGetMonitors
[19:23] <studio-user358> does someone have the same problem?
[19:25] <studio-user358> shall I report it? and where?
[19:33] <sirriffsalot>  Any mixers out there who would care to give your monitors 4 min of its time and give remarks to any obvious mixing flaws for a demo track? Designed to attract some new members, so only I worked on it so far, hoping to get the real drummer on it later
[19:39] <studio-user706> hi guys, i have a prob, someone can help me?
[19:40] <studio-user358> @studio-user706: write you problem and somebody will :)
[19:43] <studio-user706> i have a problem with the ifconfig wlp3s0 down
[19:43] <studio-user706> to change my mac
[19:44] <studio-user706> but results an error
[19:44] <studio-user706> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not done
[19:44] <studio-user706> anyone can help?
[20:18] <ArminiusTux> Evening - can I report UbuntuSTudio bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ?
[20:22] <MetalMusicAddict> @ArminiusTux - Not usually against Ubuntu. Whats the bug?
[20:23] <ArminiusTux> Several - no LAN connection, no USB controller recognition and EFI GRUB install fail
[20:24] <ArminiusTux> Tried to install (and live test) with a DVD and usb (EFI and legacy modes)
[20:24] <MetalMusicAddict> Hmm... Gimmie a sec.
[20:26] <ArminiusTux> Of course ...
[20:28] <MetalMusicAddict> ArminiusTux: You havent by chance tried a vanilla Ubuntu install? If you do/have and the bug is there I would say file aginst Ubuntu.
[20:28] <ArminiusTux> No have been using studio for years just not on an EFI system ...
[20:28] <MetalMusicAddict> I would still lean that way honestly, however, without digging deeper its hard to tell.
[20:29] <MetalMusicAddict> Gotcha. Same here. Just started building boxes with EFI.
[20:30] <MetalMusicAddict> You try the live disk?
[20:31] <ArminiusTux> Yes DVD (efi and legacy boot) that fails (no usb and LAN support) about two thirds into the install with a efi grub install fail msg
[20:31] <ArminiusTux> the USB (Efig and legacy) comes up with a boot menu but soon aborts due to the usb issue
[20:32] <MetalMusicAddict> So works fully in live mode but fails to install?
[20:32] <MetalMusicAddict> Or you just did a direct install?
[20:32] <ArminiusTux> Apart from getting a LAN connection and USB device support the live system loads
[20:32] <MetalMusicAddict> Gotcha
[20:33] <ArminiusTux> A direct install is totally unusable due to no usb support (my mouse is usb, my kb ps2)
[20:34] <MetalMusicAddict> I would try vanilla live disk. See how that goes. If you see the same issue I'd file aginst Ubuntu proper.
[20:34] <MetalMusicAddict> I assume everything works on other OSs?
[20:34] <ArminiusTux> Win8.1 is fine
[20:34] <MetalMusicAddict> ie: No HW issues.
[20:34] <MetalMusicAddict> Gotcha
[20:35] <ArminiusTux> I think I'll post that bug report right away ...
[20:37] <ArminiusTux> MetalMusicAddict: Have you by any chance running Ubuntu on a PPC ?
[20:44] <MetalMusicAddict> Sorry. Never
[20:45] <ArminiusTux> All right - thx for your time.
[20:58] <sirriffsalot> Here's the tune for those curious: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0qbnme21bhigp7/demo%20mix%2002_Selection.wav?dl=0
[21:13] <sakrecoer> ArminiusTux: i have, but it was in 2010
[21:15] <ArminiusTux> Hello sakrecoer, was it working back then and how was the performance?
[21:15] <sakrecoer> ArminiusTux: i was blown away tbh.
[21:15] <sakrecoer> it was on a powerbook g4
[21:16] <ArminiusTux> ahh ic, I was trying MATE & lubuntu on a G5, quite impressed with the performance, but I was having installation / boot issues
[21:17] <sakrecoer> don't think ardour was packaged back then, but i was able to record a few tunes anyways.
[21:19] <sakrecoer> ArminiusTux: yeah, installing it wasn't the easiest maybe, i can't really remember.
[22:50]  * UserX_ sends greetings
[23:09] <Bernd> ist das hier überhaupt deutsch?
[23:10] <fabio_> Hello
[23:11] <fabio_> I need help with jack
[23:13] <fabio_> is anybody there?
[23:14] <fabio_> distro
[23:24] <fabio_> hello