[01:42] <valorie> doctor who event tonight!
[01:42] <valorie> \o/
[02:29] <ahoneybun>  so the daily from monday installer crashed before I even started
[02:42] <mparillo> This it? https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68163-Be-Wily-and-Enjoy-the-Progress-of-Kubuntu-15-10&p=379554&viewfull=1#post379554
[02:42] <ahoneybun> I grab the iso and threw it in a VM
[02:42] <ahoneybun> the first line was about OEM config
[02:43] <ahoneybun> maybe some changes sitter did at randa
[03:52] <ahoneybun> mparillo: here is the long from a build today (9/16/15) https://notes.kde.org/p/DailyInstallerCrash
[03:52] <ahoneybun> *log
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I got it to start with running it from konsole
[04:48] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: UCC nominations happening
[04:48] <ovidiu-florin> you interested?
[07:16] <sitter> yofel:
[07:16] <sitter> Started 10 hr ago
[07:16] <sitter> Build has been executing for 10 hr
[07:19] <valorie> wow
[07:38] <vip> hm, where i can set two-click-open-folder behavior?
[07:39] <vip> because I've always had two-click to open, after vivid->wily upgrade, it is one-click-to-open
[07:43] <vip> oh, "mouse settings"
[07:44] <valorie> vip: this chan is for development
[07:44] <valorie> support in #kubuntu
[08:17] <yofel> sitter: kill it, clivejo wanted to upload applications, but I'm not sure if he actually got to do it
[08:19] <yofel> killed it
[08:19] <sitter> you really must not let CI pause over night
[08:19] <sitter> it basically backs everything up by a day
[08:19] <yofel> oh ok, sorry
[08:46] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/log/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[08:46] <sitter> someone needs to fix that script
[09:00] <yofel> hm... I did take a look at that a long time ago, seems like dch is still being run incorrectly o.O
[09:01] <yofel> and the push semantics are still wrong in that one. --nopush should be --push and the default be the other way around
[09:08] <sitter> this patch is getting on my nerves
[09:11] <clivejo> Riddell: the staging failed towards the end, I have no idea what happened it
[09:13] <clivejo> got up to ktnef and it went haywire
[09:32] <Riddell> clivejo: I'll try it then
[09:32] <Riddell> clivejo: did you get anywhere with frameworks?
[09:33] <clivejo> think I fixed khtml with yofel's help
[09:34] <clivejo> Riddell: can I retry it again?
[09:35] <clivejo> it I remove ~/src/applications and restart it?
[09:35] <clivejo> wasnt a good idea doing it in evening time on this internet connection
[09:35] <Riddell> clivejo: just start from where it broke
[09:36] <Riddell> clivejo: remove the lines in package-name-lists/applications-wily up to ktnef
[09:36] <clivejo> was just going to ask was that possible
[09:37] <clivejo> if I leave ktnef there and let it try again?
[09:37] <Riddell> yes
[09:37] <Riddell> maybe rm -r  ~/src/applications/ktnef
[09:37] <clivejo> could have been internet related
[09:37] <clivejo> done
[09:38] <clivejo> yeah same crazyness
[09:39] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/ptnfmdaet
[09:40] <clivejo> it has a blank epoch
[09:40] <clivejo> couldnt see that last night
[09:43] <clivejo> Riddell: ^
[09:47] <clivejo> where does it pick up the epoch from?
[09:48] <sitter> Riddell, clivejo: kindly note that gpgmepp needs a nwe upload
[10:20] <Riddell> clivejo: the no-epoch file lists packages which are new so don't need and shouldn't get an epoch
[10:21] <clivejo> I dont understand?
[10:21] <Riddell> clivejo: in kubuntu-automation there's a file no epoch
[10:21] <Riddell> no-epoch
[10:21] <Riddell> it lists some pacakges which don't need an epoch
[10:21] <Riddell> ah but ktnef does need an epoch
[10:22] <Riddell> so that should be fixed, just remove it from the no-epoch file
[10:22] <clivejo> I cant find a no-epoch file
[10:23] <clivejo> ah
[10:23] <clivejo> packaging-exceptions.json
[10:25] <Riddell> ah right yes that's where it ended up
[10:25] <clivejo> ok, picking up where I left off
[10:25] <clivejo> FFS
[10:25] <clivejo> I HATE gpg-agent
[10:28]  * yofel only just realized what happened to akonadi
[10:28] <yofel> wtf
[10:29] <clivejo> what happened?
[10:29] <yofel> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/log/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[10:29] <yofel> a) that shouldn't be there 3 times, b) the version is wrong
[10:29] <yofel> I totally didn't see the version when sitter pointed that out earlier
[10:30] <sitter> throw away that script already and build something in jenkins :P
[10:30] <sitter> I have first class version handling classes you know ;)
[10:30] <yofel> yeah, but that's ruby
[10:31] <sitter> which is probably why my code doesn't come up with wrong changelog entries :P
[10:31] <clivejo> how on earth did that happen?
[10:32] <yofel> where is that version in the changelog entry even coming from o.O
[10:32] <yofel> that shouldn't be there
[10:33] <yofel> clivejo: are you overriding the changelog message?
[10:34] <clivejo> ah man, I have a typo in the changelog message
[10:35] <clivejo> ./staging-upload -d wily -v 15.08.1 -m "New upstream release (15.18.1)" -r applications -t /home/clivejo/src/applications/
[10:35] <yofel> you don't usually put the version in there, if anything, it should say "New upstream bugfix release"
[10:36] <sitter> one more reason to move this into a jenkins :P
[10:37] <sitter> less opportunity for human error
[10:37]  * sitter is under the impression that the KCI build queue is growing rather than shrinking
[10:37] <clivejo> yofel: how do I fix this?
[10:37] <yofel> clivejo: fix the changelog in each package by hand
[10:38] <yofel> or write a script for it
[10:38] <Riddell> bash for loops may help
[10:38] <sitter> bash never helps.
[10:38] <yofel> well, he has to delete the old messages
[10:38] <sitter> I'd rewrite the entry TBH
[10:38] <sitter> which requires python
[10:38] <yofel> you can do that?
[10:38] <Riddell> for asdf in */; do cd ${asdf}; sed s,15.18.1,15.08.1, debian/changelog; cd ..; done
[10:38] <yofel> ah
[10:39] <yofel> Riddell: that won't fix the message being there 3 times
[10:39] <sitter> FWIW its not the first time we have duplicated messages
[10:39] <Riddell> ach when that happens I just leave it
[10:39] <sitter> so perhaps we should just not care :P
[10:39] <Riddell> happens quite a lot
[10:39] <yofel> I don't see what's wrong with the regex for tha though (other than it being a regex)
[10:39]  * clivejo is extremely sorry
[10:39] <yofel> right, and I find that seriously annoying
[10:40] <yofel> clivejo: well, the multiple messages isn't exactly your fault
[10:40] <yofel> it's a combination of you re-running the script, the script pushing immediately and the don't-add-changelog-twice regex not doing it's job
[10:40] <Riddell> clivejo: want me to upload frameworks?
[10:41] <sitter> I think once I argued that it shouldn't do the push right away anyway
[10:41] <clivejo> Riddell: have they been tested?
[10:41] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, I'll do that first of course
[10:41] <Riddell> !testers
[10:41] <sitter> ideally the script would create an integration branch for the specific version as to avoid push clashes
[10:41] <sitter> then push that instead
[10:41] <Riddell> frameworks http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.14.0_wily.html testers!
[10:41] <sitter> once uploading to archvie the branches can then be merged in one go
[10:42] <yofel> good idea actually, that could at least be easily reverted
[10:43] <clivejo> so what do I need to do then?
[10:43] <yofel> that bash loop that Riddell posted looks pretty sane, run that
[10:44] <Riddell> well test it first :)
[10:44] <clivejo> but how does that fix debian git changelogs?
[10:45] <yofel> you'll need to adjust the path for that, and add git commit and push
[10:45] <mparillo> To test, add to wily: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks/+packages ?
[10:45] <yofel> assuming you still have the temp folder you worked on till now
[10:46] <clivejo> the src?
[10:46] <clivejo> src/applications/
[10:46] <Riddell> mparillo: yep
[10:46] <yofel> right, /home/clivejo/src/applications/
[10:48] <clivejo> so grab a backup of that folder, just in case?
[10:50] <yofel> yeah, do that for testing
[10:50] <clivejo> ok Ive got ~/backup/src/applications
[10:53] <clivejo> should I remove the upload and manual folders?
[10:54] <sitter> Riddell, yofel, clivejo: random note, the commit for fixing the changelog message needs to be commited NOCI
[10:54] <mparillo> Funny, krunner crashed as muon was applying the updates to frameworks. I did not even have krunner open.
[10:55] <lordievader> Riddell: The testing approach is adding the staging-frameworks ppa and upgrade on wily?
[10:55] <yofel> oh great, the parentheses in the message break the regex, that's why the message is there multiple times
[10:56] <yofel> hurray to regexp
[10:56] <sitter> lol
[10:57] <clivejo> :(
[10:57] <sgclark> My Wily is still non functional :( guess I need to reinstall
[10:57] <clivejo> I thought I was being good being more detailed in commit and changelogs
[10:58] <yofel> heh, well, you found a bug in the script ^^
[10:59] <clivejo> pure stupidity on my part
[11:00] <yofel> not really, when I wrote that check, I didn't think someone would do that because nobody usually does that
[11:00] <yofel> you were just the first one to do it ^^
[11:01] <sitter> yofel: write a test!
[11:01] <yofel> that's actually a good idea.....
[11:04] <sitter> huh
[11:04] <clivejo> ok I run that for loop Riddell posted
[11:05] <clivejo> but run it on git/debian
[11:05] <clivejo> some have worked, others not
[11:06] <clivejo> if I used that script to run nano on the changelog instead and just fix the file manually?
[11:06] <yofel> actually, thinking about it, this is a bit crazy: re.match(".*New upstream release (15.18.1).*", re.match(pattern, changelog).group(0), re.DOTALL)
[11:06] <yofel> re.match(pattern, changelog).group(0).find("New upstream release (15.18.1)") might be less error-prone
[11:10] <mparillo> OK Frameworks updates are complete. Re-booting.
[11:10] <Riddell> thelionroars: want to test frameworks?
[11:13] <sitter> yofel: looks equally mental :P
[11:14] <yofel> sitter: well, I'm reducing the regex matching from 2 to 1. re.match(pattern, changelog).group(0) gives the full first changelog entry
[11:14] <sitter> shadeslayer: please merge your docker branch with logging additions I just did to kci/mgmt/docker.rb
[11:14] <yofel> also needs a test
[11:21] <clivejo> ok, so I made a test folder
[11:22] <clivejo> removed manual and upload folders
[11:22] <clivejo> run for asdf in */; do cd ${asdf}; sed -i 's/15.18.1/15.08.1/g' git/debian/changelog; cd ..; done
[11:22] <mparillo> I added the frameworks PPA to Muon Update Manager, applied the updates (random crashes); restarted (had to hard power off); and powered-on. Wireless, konversation, and rekonq seem to work. How do I know I really have the frameworks update completed?
[11:23] <clivejo> the run the same again only running nano, manually editting the repeat lines from the changelogs
[11:27] <sitter> the slideshow font hinting is god awful
[11:35] <sitter> ahoneybun: https://goo.gl/photos/F53FVYuoUQdmxubb9
[11:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what happened to your muon slideshow update? I forget
[12:00] <ahoneybun> Riddell: it has not been approved
[12:01] <Riddell> ahoneybun: where is it again?
[12:01]  * Riddell pauses CI for frameworks upload
[12:01] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu/muon-discover
[12:02] <sitter> Riddell: NOCI?
[12:02] <clivejo> git -a -m "NOCI"
[12:03] <clivejo> ?
[12:03] <sitter> -m "uploading to archive\nNOCI"
[12:07] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[12:08] <Riddell> sitter: but what's your point?
[12:08] <yofel> you don't need to pause CI with that
[12:09] <Riddell> good to know
[12:11] <sitter> also you don't cause pointless builds
[12:11] <yofel> thinking about it, shouldn't staging upload use that too..........
[12:12] <sitter> yofel: staging uploads increase the version
[12:12] <yofel> then why do we pause CI for that again?
[12:13] <sitter> so builds are run in order
[12:13] <yofel> ah ok
[12:13] <sitter> since the sources are processed in an arbitrary order it might trigger plasma-framework before ECM which might then fail
[12:14] <sitter> with pause you'd block all builds and then release them all at once letting jenkins build them accoridng to the dep tree
[12:14] <sitter> fancy version of the upload tiers we had 6 years ago
[12:27] <clivejo> sitter: I pushed one of the fixes, does it look ok? http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable
[12:29] <sitter> clivejo: that NOCI went wrong xD
[12:29] <lordievader> Riddell: Upgraded to the framework staging ppa, works fine.
[12:30]  * clivejo cries
[12:31] <clivejo> sitter: whats gone wrong now?
[12:31] <sitter> apparently -m doesn't like nonprintable characters
[12:32] <Riddell> lordievader: lovely thanks :)
[12:32] <Riddell> mparillo: how was it for you?
[12:32] <sitter> [12:38] <sitter> bash never helps.
[12:32] <sitter> to quote myself here
[12:35] <clivejo> lots of lessons today!
[12:36] <Riddell> clivejo: so just pause it?
[12:36] <sitter> that solves nothing
[12:37] <sitter> only queues 300 more builds
[12:38] <sitter> not that it matters because Riddell pushed without noci anyway
[12:38] <sitter> so it's busy until saturday anyway
[12:38] <sitter> also failing
[12:38] <clivejo>  I pushed one as test
[12:39] <clivejo> can I revert the commit locally and fix it?
[12:40] <clivejo> fix the message I mean
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:21] <soee> Riddell: i have installed Framewroks 5.14, during unpacking packages kdeinit5 and krunner crashed but they start again
[13:21] <soee> Riddell: but all update was just fine
[13:36] <Riddell> but annoyingly there seems to be a problem in kservice
[14:03] <Riddell> ahoneybun: kubuntu-settings uploaded!
[14:33] <clivejo> yofel: did you say you were applying a fix so that the script wont add dupes like this again?
[14:49] <Riddell> clivejo: yes he did
[15:21] <clivejo> Riddell: would you add http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.08.1_wily.html to the topic please
[15:22] <Riddell> clivejo: I expect you can
[15:22] <Riddell> have you tried?
[15:22] <Riddell> hello  Mandarina
[15:23] <clivejo> me?
[15:23] <clivejo> I dont have the pwer
[15:23] <Mandarina> Riddell: Hi!
[15:24] <Riddell> Mandarina: want to become an elite kubuntu ninja?
[15:25] <Mandarina> Riddell: I'm not very sneaky.
[15:30] <Riddell> Mandarina: that's ok, we do everything in the open :)
[15:31] <clivejo> Riddell: kde4libs is in manual, but cant see in in the depot download?
[15:31] <clivejo> or has it been renamed kdelibs-4.14.12.tar.xz
[15:33] <Riddell> it always is kdelibs, we rename it in debian/kubuntu
[15:33] <clivejo> oh wait, I remember talk about this before
[15:37] <clivejo> so I bump the changelog to kde4libs (4:4.14.12-1ubuntu1~) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium
[15:37] <clivejo> push to debian git and ppa-build?
[15:48] <Riddell> clivejo: 4:4.14.12-0ubuntu1 in changelog
[15:48] <clivejo> Riddell: when I try to "git-buildpackage-ppa" kopete I get an error - Error: Distribution is not "UNRELEASED".
[15:49] <Riddell> yes keep it as UNRELEASED
[15:50] <clivejo> I didnt change it
[15:51] <clivejo> regarding kde4libs - tar: /home/clivejo/src/applications/manual/kde4libs/build-area/kde4libs_4.14.11.orig.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[15:52] <clivejo> why is it looking for 4.14.11 when changeslog says .12
[15:52] <Riddell> git-buildpackage is also spooky voodoo that likes to do that for some reason
[15:52] <Riddell> but it should also get the .12 version
[15:53] <clivejo> its there
[15:53] <clivejo> I have to modifty the watch file
[15:53] <clivejo> the watch file is looking for kde4libs but the filename on depot of kdelibs
[15:54] <clivejo> uscan is showing the new version and getting it
[15:54] <Riddell> ah
[15:54] <Riddell> then do fix that please
[15:55] <clivejo> does git-buildpackage-ppa still go back to debian git?
[16:03] <clivejo> Riddell: in your changeset http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kde4libs.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=2b026e149f0191a257483af8cb5419ece90f1a3c
[16:03] <clivejo> you set the distribuation to wily
[16:03] <Riddell> clivejo: la la la
[16:04] <clivejo> how do I fix it?
[16:04] <Riddell> clivejo: what's wrong with it?
[16:05] <Riddell> clivejo: just add a new changelog entry with dch
[16:05] <clivejo> shouldnt it be UNRELEASED;?
[16:08] <Riddell> on your new entry yes
[16:08] <clivejo> Ninja  voodoo
[16:10] <clivejo> ok I think thats fixed
[16:10] <clivejo> and uploaded to PPA
[16:14] <clivejo> kde-baseapps is the same
[16:14] <clivejo> why is this?
[16:17] <Riddell> clivejo: they're in maintinance mode, no new features only bugfixes, so they don't get a new version number only the bugfix version changes
[16:18] <clivejo> but how did they get the release as wily in debian git?
[16:20] <Riddell> clivejo: the staging-upload script that you used should add the new changelog entries with UNRELEASED
[16:20] <Riddell> clivejo: then when it's all built and tested the next script is ubuntu-archive-upload
[16:20] <Riddell> which sets the changelog to wily
[16:21] <clivejo> it passed over these
[16:21] <clivejo> put them into manual
[16:26] <Riddell> oh it probably needs packaging-exceptions.json update first, I'll add that to README
[16:30] <clivejo> Riddell: have to go for a bit, will you be online later?
[16:31] <Riddell> clivejo: I'm out for the next 3 hours, probably back about 9
[16:31] <Riddell> unless I'm not
[16:31] <clivejo> LOL
[16:31] <clivejo> ok
[16:31] <Riddell> have fun on the farm :)
[16:31] <clivejo> indeed
[18:29] <ahoneybun> thanks Riddell also need to update this page desc: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/kubuntu-settings
[18:29] <ahoneybun> remove active and netbootk
[18:29] <ahoneybun> *netbook
[18:30] <clivejo> Riddell yofel: Having problems with kmailtransport, can someone look at the error message and let me know whats wrong - https://paste.kde.org/pgph2lscn
[18:30] <yofel> ahoneybun: that's extracted from the package
[18:30] <yofel> so it seems we still ship that..
[18:30] <ahoneybun> it's not in the package
[18:30] <ahoneybun> so it can't be
[18:31] <ahoneybun> unless it is in a file I did not edit/know about
[18:32] <yofel> they might be NBS..
[18:32] <yofel> yeah
[18:32] <yofel>  kubuntu-settings | 1:15.10ubuntu1    | wily/universe           | source
[18:32] <yofel>  kubuntu-settings-netbook | 1:15.04ubuntu2    | wily/universe           | all
[18:32] <yofel> needs a binary removal request I think..
[18:33] <ahoneybun> mm
[18:35] <yofel> clivejo: that looks very wrong
[18:35] <yofel> dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:
[18:35] <yofel>  kmailtransport-15.08.1/libkf5mailtransport5.symbols
[18:35] <clivejo> yofel: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kmailtransport.git/tree/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=abaf052b86e579b56e816c48df774d2e14abd574
[18:35] <yofel> symbol file in wrong folder?
[18:35] <clivejo> why isnt the symbols file in debian/
[18:35] <yofel> whoever put it there messed up?
[18:35] <clivejo> how do I find out who did that?
[18:36] <yofel> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kmailtransport.git/commit/libkf5mailtransport5.symbols?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=abaf052b86e579b56e816c48df774d2e14abd574
[18:36] <clivejo> :/
[18:39] <yofel> just git mv the file
[18:40] <clivejo> yofel: will you ask him, I think Ive damaged enough things today :(
[18:40] <yofel> just move the file, you can't really make unbuildable any worse :P
[18:40] <clivejo> want bet
[18:40] <yofel> no
[18:40] <clivejo> Im having a very bad day
[18:40] <yofel> ^^
[18:47] <clivejo> kmix has a problem with a patch
[18:48] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pujddxv7k
[18:50] <yofel> drop the patch, upstream_ shows that it's a cherry-pick from kde git, and it's now included in the release
[18:51] <BluesKaj> yeah kmix no longer shows up in the system tray, it's been replaced by that pulseaudio volume ctrl which does nothing since i don't use pulseaudio. I have kmix set to show ithe system tray, but it doesn't.
[18:54] <clivejo> should I physically delete the file and series entry or just comment out the series entry?
[18:54] <yofel> git rm the file and remove it from series
[18:54] <clivejo> ok
[18:55] <yofel> and say in the changelog that you're dropping <patchfile>, applied upstream
[18:55] <clivejo> sorry, which patch kmix_showeverywhere.diff or upstream_fix-kmixui.rc-install-location.diff ?
[18:56] <yofel> I was talking about the upstream_ one, wasn't I?
[18:56] <yofel> and the log shows that it was the patch that it failed on
[18:56] <clivejo> sorry, misread
[18:57] <yofel> we usually prefix integration patches with kubuntu_ and upstream fixes with upstream_ and add DEP-3 headers for documentation
[18:58] <yofel> also always put the filename in the changelog when you modify patches, so it's easy to track modifications to them later on
[18:59] <yofel> esp. when adding/removing them
[19:02] <clivejo> yofel: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kmix.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=e5fe876d059d6a4090b30ba56651b5e51b90b52a hows that?
[19:02] <yofel> good :)
[19:03] <clivejo> learned a lot today
[19:03] <clivejo> after that stupid typo I made last night
[19:04] <clivejo> I think thats all the apps uploaded bar kde-l10n
[19:05] <yofel> that shouldn't even be there.. I guess it can't keep files and folders apart when listing the packages :/
[19:07] <clivejo> it didnt do gpgmepp, killbots, syndication for some reason, they all still version 15.08.0
[19:08] <yofel> are they in manual?
[19:08] <clivejo> nope
[19:08] <yofel> o.O
[19:08] <yofel> do you still have the script outoput?
[19:09] <clivejo> Ive fixed all the manual ones bar kde-l10n
[19:09] <yofel> or rather, can you re-run the script on those packages?
[19:09] <clivejo> oh wiat
[19:09] <clivejo> they are in applications
[19:10] <clivejo> but didnt get uploaded
[19:10] <clivejo> empty sources?
[19:10] <yofel> dunno, if they're not in manual then something happened that the script has no error handling for :/
[19:10] <clivejo> yeah strange
[19:11] <clivejo> might have been my internet
[19:11] <clivejo> killbots just dput fine
[19:12] <yofel> hm, tarball fetch failures are handled though
[19:12] <clivejo> are dput errors caught?
[19:13] <yofel> no, that's not part of the script
[19:13] <yofel> but if the upload failed there will be no .upload file
[19:13] <clivejo> right, Ive reloaded those to LP
[19:13] <yofel> if the upload file was missing then it was an upload failure
[19:15] <clivejo> rejected by LP
[19:16] <yofel> huh, why?
[19:16] <clivejo> syndication_15.08.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 15.08.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 <= 4:15.08.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[19:17] <yofel> urgh, the old packages are still in the PPA
[19:17] <yofel> you'll have to delete those by hand
[19:18] <clivejo> if I upload PPA2?
[19:18] <yofel> no, no matter what you upload, the epoch will conflict
[19:18] <yofel> you'll have to delete the packages from the PPA in the LP UI, then later upload again
[19:36] <ahoneybun> yay the installer did not crash on first boot
[19:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: do you know if sitter is going to make anymore changes in the installer or is it frozen?
[19:38] <yofel> we can do bugfixes, but we're past UI freeze, so no visible changes anymore
[19:38] <ahoneybun> alright cool
[19:38] <soee> Riddell: did you moved 5.14 to wily ?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> thanks yofel
[19:42] <BluesKaj> redshift won't show unless installed with muon-discover
[19:43] <BluesKaj> according to a report
[19:44] <BluesKaj> what's happening with apt ?
[20:07] <clivejo> yofel: its seems to be a epoch issue
[20:07] <yofel> I said that it's an epoch issue...
[20:08] <yofel> you can't upload the packages because the epoch of the packages in the PPA is higher
[20:08] <clivejo> didnt spot that
[20:08] <yofel> that's why you first need to manually delete them
[20:09] <clivejo> should I not add the epoch to this one?
[20:09] <yofel> no, those packages should not have an epoch
[20:09] <clivejo> isnt syndication 4:15.08.0 in backports?
[20:10] <yofel> dunno, I certainly hope not
[20:11] <yofel> that's why you should not backport the staging packages :/
[20:12] <yofel> it's not, 15.08 was never backported
[20:13] <yofel> so the only people that will have upgrade issues are the wily staging PPA testers
[20:13] <yofel> acceptable collateral damage
[20:13] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/cS1Denm
[20:16] <clivejo> who is apachelogger?
[20:16] <ahoneybun> sitter
[20:17] <clivejo> I dont feel comfortable deleting packages uploaded by Riddell and sitter
[20:17] <clivejo> Ill leave those few packages until another time
[20:18] <yofel> just delete them if they're 15.08.0
[20:18] <yofel> if you want, I can also completely wipe the whole PPA if you want to re-upload everything
[20:19] <clivejo> there are 15.07.90 versions of gpgmepp
[20:19] <yofel> the only thing I'm trying to teach you is that epochs are a very scary thing and that you shouldn't use them unless absolutely necessary
[20:20] <yofel> that's even older, kill it
[20:20] <clivejo> I know, thats why I dont want to touch anything
[20:21] <yofel> thinking about it, our epoch handling is completely wrong
[20:21] <yofel> listing packages without an epoch means that any unknown, new packages automatically get an epoch
[20:21] <yofel> which is the opposite of the intended behavior
[20:23] <clivejo> but why would Riddell and sitter upload versions with an epoch?
[20:23] <clivejo> when it doesnt need it?
[20:23] <yofel> read what I just said
[20:24] <yofel> our script didn't know those packages, so it just added an epoch because they weren't in the no-epoch list
[20:24] <clivejo> ohhh
[20:24] <yofel> but new sources are not supposed to have an epoch
[20:24] <clivejo> thats dangerious
[20:24] <clivejo> that is arse-about-face
[20:27] <ahoneybun> installer got stuck at 77% "running dpkg"
[20:28] <yofel> file a bug from that system, that'll attach the apt logs
[20:28] <clivejo> if you can delete gpgmepp and syndication then that would allow me to upload these versions then?
[20:29] <ahoneybun> yofel: how do I start the bug report?
[20:29] <ahoneybun> apport something
[20:29] <yofel> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[20:30] <ahoneybun> well then
[20:30] <ahoneybun> it just finished
[20:30] <ahoneybun> the vm might have had lag
[20:30] <yofel> clivejo: they're deleted
[20:30] <clivejo> ok, will retry them in a bit
[20:30] <yofel> try again, if they still get rejected we'll have to wait for the janitor
[20:31] <clivejo> yofel: Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net
[20:32] <yofel> dput -f
[20:32] <yofel> or was that from LP?
[20:32] <clivejo> not sure, but -f worked
[20:32] <yofel> dput then
[20:34] <ahoneybun> vm booted up fine
[20:34] <ahoneybun> nice to see the audio widget is working now
[20:35] <ahoneybun> every boot on my machine it is invisible
[20:35] <ahoneybun> and I have to disable it and reenable it
[20:37] <clivejo> yofel: do these two packages need added to no-epoch?
[20:38] <yofel> they're already there
[20:38] <yofel> and I need to reverse that list anyway
[20:38] <clivejo> why did they fail then during the staging run?
[20:38] <clivejo> oh, you have made the changes
[20:38] <yofel> I did not
[20:39] <yofel> they got rejected because nobody cleaned to PPA up
[20:39] <yofel> so their old, broken variants were still in there
[20:39] <clivejo> ah
[20:39] <yofel> kubuntu-dev-tools has a script called klearppa, which can delete all packages in a PPA
[20:40] <yofel> the LP UI is crap for that
[20:40] <clivejo> I did notice that
[21:20] <clivejo> I feel sorry for KCI
[21:21] <genii> Heh, "Yippee, build fixed!"
[21:21] <clivejo> 28 slots and 211 in the queue
[21:21] <clivejo> Jenkins is a busy boy
[21:22] <clivejo> soee: ping
[21:28] <Riddell> hi clivejo, how's it going?
[21:28]  * clivejo gunts
[21:28] <clivejo> its going
[21:28] <clivejo> grunts even
[21:29] <clivejo> trying to remember how this kde-l10n black magic works
[21:29] <Riddell> oh that's friendly voodoo
[21:30] <clivejo> I didnt take notes last time
[21:30] <clivejo> and was on the EC
[21:31] <yofel> Riddell: no-epoch-packages is for frameworks and applications, right?
[21:31] <Riddell> yep
[21:31] <yofel> urgh, that'll be a long list
[21:46] <shadeslayer> Feel sorry for Launchpad
[21:53] <Riddell> yofel: only 14 of them
[21:55] <yofel> Riddell: I just reversed that list, so it's now 284
[22:07] <Riddell> yofel: why would you do that?
[22:08] <yofel> Riddell: do you want another epoch mess like we had with 15.07.90?
[22:08] <yofel> happened mostly because we have a blacklist, so I turned it into a whitelist
[22:09] <yofel> not like the list will change much
[22:32] <clivejo> is eu a language?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Wat
[22:37] <clivejo> there is a language pack called kde-l10n-eu
[22:37] <clivejo> is it a language?
[22:37] <yofel> maybe someone miswrote klingon..
[22:38] <shadeslayer> Could be something else
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Basque apparently
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Hub
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Euskara
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Hence ... eu
[22:39] <yofel> they already don't want an es_ prefix?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> Dude
[22:40] <shadeslayer> They're not Spanish :P
[22:40] <yofel> oops
[22:40] <shadeslayer> Like the Catalans ;)
[22:40] <yofel> too late for geography lessons :P
[22:40] <shadeslayer> Hehehe
[22:50] <valorie> euskara is really interesting linguistically
[22:51] <valorie> lots of borrow words from Spanish obviously, but from a totally unrelated language family
[22:51] <Riddell> lots of people being taught in a language their teachers don't know very well
[22:51] <Riddell> which is always interesting
[22:52] <valorie> I like seeing some languages being saved from extinction
[22:52] <valorie> it's happening around here a bit, with some of the indian tribes getting their kids out of white schools
[22:53] <valorie> and running their own public schools
[23:09] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-39-gb489342 * Aleix Pol: discover (5 files in 2 dirs)
[23:09] <pursuivant> Rename the UpdatesPage
[23:09] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/b4893425e3b4e95e6f839070aa62b264f877065a
[23:09] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-40-gfca72f8 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/InstalledPage.qml
[23:09] <pursuivant> Remove the updates button in the installed page
[23:09] <pursuivant> Now we'll have a specific section for it
[23:09] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/fca72f85e49c27b63748b54749461983a0a64ad1
[23:09] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-41-g05e92b7 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (12 files)
[23:09] <pursuivant> Reorient page creation
[23:09] <pursuivant> Just use the logic from StackView rather than creating our own.
[23:09] <pursuivant> Makes the Breadcrumbs component reusable and the code easier to understand.
[23:09] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/05e92b76b666b776a441beecf9e9878b1f55b93b
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-42-g73539e6 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/DummyBackend/tests (2 files)
[23:10] <pursuivant> Add a test for the new updates subsystem
[23:10] <pursuivant> Only for the Dummy backend
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/73539e6ec7e4e5901b95358703bdce22f10edb07
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-43-g03ae5d0 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (12 files)
[23:10] <pursuivant> Adopt the VDG mockups for the old CategoryPage
[23:10] <pursuivant> Now it's been split into the BrowsingPage and the CategoryPage as they look
[23:10] <pursuivant> different.
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/03ae5d09e03ae688a9fc6d4b4ed7bd6ea2d05a90
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-44-g2212ffa * Aleix Pol: discover/resources.qrc
[23:10] <pursuivant> Include files to qrc file
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/2212ffa829755250df4d06ca0df5ea0f34c00ec9
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-45-g681f93b * Aleix Pol:  (7 files in 3 dirs)
[23:10] <pursuivant> Refactor Updates pages to match the VDG design
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/681f93b9d9eb52c1b7b046285a7c94c69cef0563
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-46-g162ce05 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/DummyBackend/muon-dummy-backend-categories.xml
[23:10] <pursuivant> Include more categories, for better testing
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/162ce0568a1cf76facbc3b48878aeb1d3a10e35a
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-47-gee4e576 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/resources (2 files)
[23:10] <pursuivant> Remove unused property
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/ee4e576c101691e7ccea4c689a390acb1320b6b6
[23:10] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.0-48-g567ac55 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/ApplicationsList.qml
[23:10] <pursuivant> Colors in the list delegate
[23:10] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/567ac557d211bc11e4b344b1aa2850ded661a867


[06:43] <MooDoo> Morning all, been a long time :D
[06:44] <zxmpi> o/
[06:55] <MooDoo> and back with the good old IRSSI :D
[06:58] <zxmpi> the geeks choice :-)
[07:00] <MooDoo> lol good old brew on macos loool
[08:17] <zxmpi> boris resigning. all it took was most ministers resigning first
[08:22] <MooDoo> wow that came quick
[08:24] <zxmpi> still gonna be pm till autumn when tories will appoint a new leader. but suspect that might not be enough
[08:25] <MooDoo> yeah it's on the news, he's resigning as party leader but will remain pm till august
[19:47] <ujjain> Hello. https://youtu.be/tGxAYeeyoIc?t=57 < What does this guy say... "the war started because of the vile hardon and his beliminous empire building" ?
[22:30] <davef> wat?
[22:30] <davef> happy belated birthday penguin42
[22:33] <penguin42> davef: Thanks!


 Thank you for your attention to detail
[01:37] <abattoir> :)
[01:38] <nixternal> although, i probably didn't need to have it msg him, as he will see all the red nick highlights
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Who Seveas ?
[01:38] <nixternal> haha
[01:38] <nixternal> ya
[02:05] <DaSkreech> -hup Daskreech
[03:51] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:51] <DaSkreech> bddebian: Hi
[03:52] <bddebian> Hello DaSkreech
[05:01] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:16] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hi!!
[05:17] <nixternal> [22:01]  <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[05:17] <nixternal> you didn't hop on right away ;)
[05:17] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Cheater
[05:17] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[05:17] <nixternal> im building konversation .20 from svn right now
[05:17] <Hobbsee> yeah i'm fixing my machine
[05:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah fun.  how close is it to release?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Whats in .20?
[05:18] <nixternal> it doesn't seem like it is that far off from the changelog
[05:18] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:18] <nixternal> i heard the taskbar can be set to tree format
[05:18] <Hobbsee> we cant take that from SVN for edgy we need to wait till release
[05:18] <nixternal> which i hope..otherwise im ditching konversation
[05:18] <DaSkreech> And going with X-chat?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> bleck.  xchat is nice in some ways but the other ways really annoy me.
[05:19] <nixternal> irssi
[05:19] <Hobbsee> irssi at the moment usually konversation
[05:19] <nixternal> i played with xchat tonight and it is god awful ugly
[05:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Defense: But it's pretty!
[05:36] <DaSkreech> So whats in the .20?
[05:36] <nixternal> nothing good from the looks of it
[05:36] <nixternal> doesn't look any different to me
[05:37] <nixternal> bah...
[05:38] <nixternal> im almost going to just run mIRC in wine ;)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:44] <Hobbsee> oh man this thing is *still* upgrading!
[05:45] <DaSkreech> edgy?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> no
[05:46] <Hobbsee> dapper
[05:46] <Hobbsee> seeing as it formatted / last night
[05:46] <Hobbsee> when i tried to remove edgy and just install GRUB.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> it decided to format /, did it uncleanly, so had to be redone again, etc
[05:50] <nixternal> anyone try kvirc?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixa while ago
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: a while ago
[05:56] <nixternal> it is kind of ugly ;)
[05:56] <nixternal> im going to try it though..it does my window list/tree view
[05:56] <richj> so i don't make my other screen blink all the time
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Bye Hobbler
[06:33] <nixternal> i see you
[06:33] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[06:33] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :P  i see you too
[06:33] <nixternal> gahaha
[06:33] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[06:34] <nixternal> i was makin' fun of imbrandon on that one
[06:34] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:52] <DaSkreech> Bed time
[07:10] <imbrandon> heh
[07:10] <nixternal> ice cream time!!!
[08:00] <Hobbsee> \sh_away: ping?
[09:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: I tried that a while ago, seems \sh really means it this time
[09:05] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe okay then
[09:05] <danimo> moin Hobbsee btw
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hi
[10:41] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:42] <Hobbsee> dont do that :P
[10:42] <imbrandon> heh
[10:42] <imbrandon> got everything setup but my edgy chroot and email but i'll do that tomarrow ;)
[10:42] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:43] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you should scream op abuse.
[10:43] <imbrandon> even got my osx booting inside a "window" in dapper from the other partition LOL
[10:43] <imbrandon> with mac-oon-linux
[10:43] <imbrandon> s/oon/on
[10:43] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh, i could boot him if i wanted.
[10:43] <imbrandon> lol @ crimsun
[10:43] <crimsun> nah, just say he has a history of oppressing you
[10:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:44] <imbrandon> ouch
[10:44] <crimsun> like that cyorxamp person
[10:44] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:45] <imbrandon> ouch
[10:45] <crimsun> help help I'm being oppressed
[10:46] <imbrandon>  /kick crimsun
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:46] <imbrandon> that was kinda funny earlier crimsun too bad Sev*eas wasent arround
[10:47] <imbrandon> i'm sure he would have given him a what for chewing
[10:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> !logs
[10:54] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[12:50] <verwilst_> firefox doesn't play sound sometimes..
[12:50] <verwilst_> any idea how to fix it?
[12:50] <verwilst_> which FIREFOX_DSP i have to use?
[12:52] <uniq> try #kubuntu
[01:08] <verwilst_> found it
[01:08] <verwilst_> ;)
[01:08] <uniq> :)
[01:09] <verwilst_> alsa-oss to the rescue ;)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:09] <verwilst_> firefox has some annoying issues
[01:09] <verwilst_> when used under kde
[01:09] <verwilst_> the sound is one thing
[01:09] <verwilst_> when you download a movie for example
[01:09] <verwilst_> and it plays
[01:09] <verwilst_> and you then click on the item again in the download box, nothing happens
[01:10] <verwilst_> you have to reclick the link to download it
[03:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:40] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:51] <abattoir_> Riddell: hello :)
[03:52] <abattoir_> Riddell: can you please ask Kamion about the oem-installer backend, for me?
[03:52] <abattoir_> Riddell: I have mailed him, msg ed him on IRC and have even PM'ed him... no response at all.
[03:52] <abattoir_> :(
[03:53] <Hobbsee> abattoir_: FYI, it *is* a sunday.
[03:53] <abattoir_> Hobbsee: i meant over a few weeks :(
[03:54] <abattoir_> I was patient knowing how busy he is
[03:54] <abattoir_> Riddell: btw, I have also created a rough UI similar to Ubiquity
[03:54] <\sh> abattoir_: hmmm, first there was UDS Paris, and I think he has some time off now
[03:54] <Riddell> abattoir_: I would just start porting if I  was you
[03:55] <abattoir_> It is still rough, i have to implement stuff like the World Map for time zone
[03:55] <Hobbsee> oh hi Riddell!
[03:55] <Riddell> abattoir_: you can just copy my code from ubiquity
[03:55] <Riddell> which is just a copy of kworldmap
[03:55] <abattoir_> Riddell: I have just left the bits which are backend dependent... have kinda done the rest
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ubiquity is really nice, from what i saw - i only tried to use the ubuntu one though
[03:56] <abattoir_> Riddell: I'll smoothen the edges, implement the map widget....
[03:56] <Riddell> well, port to pyton not copy
[03:56] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[03:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why only ubuntu?
[03:57] <abattoir_> and then base it on the current oem-installer
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that was what Pia had.
[03:57] <Riddell> abattoir_: yes
[03:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: bah, she's biased :)
[03:57] <abattoir_> the .templates, .mnu s etc.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, yeah, but she's the second person i've actually met in person - and neither of htem were carrying spiffy kubuntu cds
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who the heck took off the server install option for the live cd, and what was the rationale behind it???
[03:58] <abattoir_> Riddell: ok thank you :)
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: a live install just copies the live filesystem, you don't have a choice to not install something
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, kubuntu-desktop for edgy is not installable, due to an amarok dep not being installable - it needs updating.
[03:58] <\sh> Riddell: how can I order kubuntu cds > 10 media?
[03:58] <\sh> Hobbsee: which dep?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true...
[03:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'll be doing all the rest of the updates next week
[03:59] <Riddell> \sh: you can do a special order, there's a link for custom order now
[03:59] <Hobbsee> a b-d:  libtunepimp2-dev --> libtunepimp3-dev
[03:59] <\sh> Riddell: sip4, pyqt3, pykde3 is laying ready on this laptop
[04:00] <Riddell> \sh: you rock
[04:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh good, that means tunepimp got through NEW
[04:00] <\sh> Riddell: would you like to upload or should I wait for tuesday?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i believe so, yes.
[04:00] <Riddell> \sh: put it on revu and I'll take a look at it when I can
[04:01] <Riddell> which will be tomorrow
[04:01] <\sh> ok..uploading it later to revu
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, that edgy package updates thing, apparently we're supposed to be using MoM for that, and MoM has a more up to date listing
[04:03] <\sh> the problem with mom right now is, that nobody knows who is doing what...I think I have to have a look on grab-merges and adjust it to file bugs in LP
[04:03] <Hobbsee> \sh: true
[04:04] <Hobbsee> everyone's doing what they last changed, arent they?
[04:04] <\sh> problem with that is, "I'm too old, to remember what I did" ;))
[04:04] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's called the search function :P
[04:05] <\sh> I forgot to add "I'm lazy, too" so I would take anything what comes to my fingers...
[04:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:06] <Hobbsee> mind you, i'm not going to touch cdbs again - i'm not syncing that!
[04:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where does mom have a list of packages?
[04:06] <\sh> Hobbsee: why not? cdbs is very popular ;)
[04:07] <\sh> http://merges.ubuntu.com/
[04:07] <\sh> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[04:07] <\sh> e.g.
[04:07] <Hobbsee>  /universe.html
[04:07] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ditto restricted, et
[04:07] <Hobbsee> c
[04:07] <Riddell> cdbs is a pain to touch
[04:08] <\sh> Riddell: right...I don't like cdbs very much
[04:08] <\sh> hmm..we could merge grap-merges with lpbugs.py
[04:09] <Hobbsee> \sh: what upload privs do you have at the moment?  none?
[04:09] <\sh> Hobbsee: none
[04:09] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, damn
[04:09] <\sh> Hobbsee: I wonder if I can reactivate them on tuesday
[04:10] <\sh> well, I want to spam my inbox again ;)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> 36 merges that i should be doing.  ouch.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> \sh: hehe, nice
[04:10] <\sh> I'm hungry for merges ;)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> \sh: if you do, i'll warn you now - i'll probably be poking you for upload privs :P
[04:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: you and bddebian, and zak*ame and whoever else looks interesting with power.
[04:11] <\sh> Hobbsee: I don't have power :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: but you will
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: rubbish, you can upload
[04:12] <\sh> Hobbsee: but I will speak for you in front of the TB :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> \sh: thanks :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[04:14] <Hobbsee> \sh: next TB is at 6am - there's no way in hell i would make that one - and be coherant
[04:15] <Hobbsee> \sh: however, if you could check a package for me, i'd appreciate it.  just give me a bit of time to try it again
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh, \sh - with kdiff3, you added a couple of b-d's - how do i tell if they're still needed?
[04:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: well, next TB will be 22:00 german time, which is really late for me as well, when I'm not at home...you know, that I'm working the week in karlsruhe..
[04:17] <Hobbsee> 2200.  10pm.  late?  weird.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> true, right
[04:17] <\sh> Hobbsee: lemme check
[04:17] <Hobbsee> \sh: in all seriousness, i *really* dont do mornings well - see logs of the meetings, or whatever
[04:18] <\sh> kdiff3 (0.9.88-5ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[04:18] <\sh>   * debian/control: added libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev to build-deps
[04:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes
[04:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: the package still seems to build fine with them in
[04:20] <\sh> Hobbsee: I'll check plain debian upstream in the moment...give me some minutes
[04:20] <\sh> I added them because it didn't build without them
[04:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: that'd be cool
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:20] <\sh> and because we changed something in kdelibs at this time, when I remember correctly
[04:21] <\sh> well more build-deps won't hurt..but less ;)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, true
[04:22] <\sh> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libi/libidn/libidn11_0.5.18-2_i386.deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libi/libidn/libidn11-dev_0.5.18-2_i386.deb
[04:22] <\sh> not found...can't build arg
[04:23] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:23] <Hobbsee> it built a couple of days ago
[04:23] <\sh> well, it's a dep from kdelibs4 or libqt3-mt but it's not in the archives right now
[04:25] <\sh> strange 0.6.3 is in the archives
[04:25] <\sh> lemme update my edgy pbuilder
[04:25] <\sh> could be my problem
[04:26] <\sh> ah ... didn't update for a couple of days ;)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> \sh: that'd do ti :P
[04:27] <\sh> well, it's on my companies laptop...so I didn't care ;)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hehe nice :)
[04:32] <cmvo> Hobbsee: Hi! Thanks for looking into the screensaver problem (#23743). It happens here in breezy, dapper
[04:32] <Hobbsee> bug 23743
[04:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23743 in kdeartwork "Screensaver plugins Swarm and Space GL do not start" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23743
[04:32] <\sh> Hobbsee: request a sync for kdiff3
[04:32] <Hobbsee> heya cmvo
[04:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: it can be synced?
[04:32] <cmvo> Hobbsee: and dapper + kde 3.5.3.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> oh yeah....
[04:33] <Hobbsee> \sh: how on earth do i do that?
[04:33] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bug report, and assign to motu reviewers?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> \sh: that doesnt include the dh_iconcache fix though, or your two extra b-d's
[04:33] <cmvo> Hobbsee: I've seen a patch for swarm somewhere that is supposed to fix it, but I can't find it anymore.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> cmvo: if you do find it, please tell :)
[04:34] <\sh> Hobbsee: ok...wait
[04:34] <Hobbsee> \sh: which are the last changes that we had from debian
[04:34] <Hobbsee> er, deviated from debian
[04:34] <\sh> Hobbsee: you have to merge the dh_iconcache stuff, but not the two adds in build-deps
[04:34] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh, so we dont need them now?
[04:35] <\sh> Hobbsee: the two build deps? no. but the dh_iconcache in debian/rules
[04:35] <cmvo> Hobbsee: But I doubt it is a GL problem, because swarm is non-GL.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: you just checked that it built without them, i take it?
[04:35] <cmvo> Hobbsee: I'll keep looking...
[04:35] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes, didn't see the iconcache addon
[04:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: MoM seemed to merge that fix okay...
[04:35] <Hobbsee> cmvo: yeah, definetly.  those screensavers annoy me, and i havent taken the time to sit down, look at them, and figure out what the heck is going on
[04:36] <Hobbsee> oh yes.  Riddell, you around?
[04:36] <\sh> Hobbsee: which file did you inspect?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: w.r.t?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> \sh: maybe if you tell me what i found in this file i inspected, i'll know which one you're meaning.
[04:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: the kdiff3_0.9.90-1.patch file just diffs 0.9.88-5 and 0.90.1
[04:37] <\sh> but not 0.9.88-5ubuntu2 and 0.9.90-1
[04:37] <Hobbsee> that would be in the other patch file, also in that MoM directory wouldnt it?
[04:37] <\sh> but in the source dir of 0.9.90-1ubuntu1 our patches are in
[04:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: I used grab-merges :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes, same here
[04:38] <Hobbsee> man my head hurts....
[04:38] <Hobbsee> that's true, yes...
[04:38] <\sh> Hobbsee: so, it just gives us the difference between last debian upstream and new debian upstream but not the diff between last ubuntu version and new debian upstream
[04:38] <\sh> which sucks
[04:38] <\sh> so you have to check the source dir of new mom ubuntu version to be sure...argl
[04:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: er, there are two diffs there.
[04:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: there are two patch files
[04:39] <\sh> kdiff3_0.9.88-5ubuntu2.patch and kdiff3_0.9.90-1.patch
[04:39] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes
[04:40] <\sh> the first one gives us diffs between 0.9.88-5 and 0.9.88-5ubuntu2
[04:40] <Hobbsee> isnt the former the one you're talking about?
[04:40] <\sh> the second just from 0.9.88-5 to 0.9.90-1
[04:40] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ah okay...
[04:40] <\sh> there is no real merge file
[04:41] <\sh> the merge is directly done in dir kdiff3-0.9.90-1ubuntu1
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry to annoy you, cos i'm aware that i'm not *too* coherant at the moment, but what would be the impact of putting a dep of kscreensaver-xsavers in kubuntu-desktop?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> both packages are in main
[04:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we'd have to bring in xscreensavers which is a gtk job
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, only xscreensaver-data
[04:42] <\sh> we could put kscreensavers-xsavers as suggested package into the control fil
[04:42] <\sh> e
[04:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: still a gtk job
[04:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: kscreensaver-xsavers has a depend on xscreensaver-data
[04:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: which would pull in gtk
[04:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: indeed, that's what i said (i think)
[04:43] <\sh> Hobbsee: we should avoid that ;)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> bleh.  you're right, i was under the impression that kscreensaver was pulling in xscreensaver-data anyway
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there are a fair few bug reports on the screensavers not working correctly - which need these packages to fix, pretty much
[04:45] <\sh> Hobbsee: ok, remove libacl1-dev, libattr1-dev from debian/control (you can see the conflict in kdiff3-0.9.90-1ubuntu1/debian/control) and add the dh_iconcache in the debian/rules file again, everything should be ok
[04:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kde shouldn't list screensavers from xscreensaver unless kscreensaver-xsavers is installed
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it does.  or something borks.  because....
[04:45] <Hobbsee> argh.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> because something.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> because solarwinds is shown
[04:46] <Hobbsee> and that's part of rss-glx - to my knowledge, that's not in kscreensaver
[04:46] <Hobbsee> \sh: okay....later...
[04:47] <\sh> Hobbsee: move dh_iconcache in the binary-arch: build install section and not in the install: section, :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, i know - i'm not sure why it's there.
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: chowells here is a maintainer of kscreensaver
[04:48] <\sh> hmm..I could do the merge now ;)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: go for it
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hey chowells
[04:48] <chowells> hi
[04:48] <chowells> I'm not here right now
[04:48] <chowells> bbs
[04:49] <chowells> (Sorry, real life stuff like trying to work out why my bank closed my bank account, leaving me without access to any money)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> chowells: sure.  what timezone are you in?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> well, what's the current time, etc?
[04:49] <Riddell> he's in .uk
[04:49] <Hobbsee> right
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we dont have any other kde based screensaver packages installed as a result of k-d, do we?
[04:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we have kscreensaver by default
[04:51] <Riddell> but not kscreensaver-xsavers
[04:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, any others?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> (oops, thought i mentioned that)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> cmvo: ping?
[04:52] <Riddell> no others
[04:52] <cmvo> Hobbsee: yo
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[04:53] <Hobbsee> cmvo: chowells is the maintainer of screensaver
[04:53] <\sh> hmmm
[04:53] <\sh> I wonder what this is:
[04:53] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 shermann shermann   8127 2006-03-13 07:41 dirbrowser.png.DEBIAN
[04:53] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 shermann shermann  29082 2004-06-14 08:08 dirbrowser.png.UBUNTU
[04:54] <\sh> -EWHATTHEDIFFERENCEINSIZE?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> \sh: debian did newer versions of those files than ubuntu, it looks like
[04:54] <\sh> sure
[04:54] <cmvo> Hobbsee: Solar Wind works here without kscreensaver-xsavers installed.
[04:54] <\sh> so I will use debians or ubuntus?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> cmvo: fully, or only on the top half of the screen
[04:54] <Riddell> cmvo: do you have xscreensaver-data installed?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> \sh: *raises an eyebrow* - debians - they're later, and theyr'e smaller
[04:54] <cmvo> Hobbsee: Ah, thanks. kde maintainer?
[04:55] <Riddell> cmvo: yes
[04:55] <cmvo> Hobbsee: fully
[04:55] <\sh> Hobbsee: hmmm....this could be a sign...
[04:56] <Hobbsee> chowells: what interests me right this second is why do we have two xsavers in the middle of a kscreensaver package?  these two seem to not work without kscreensavers-xsavers installed (i think, either that or another package)
[04:56] <cmvo> Riddell: No, xscreensaver-data is not installed.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> chowells: why are these two not in kscreensaver-xsavers?  bug 23743
[04:56] <Riddell> sounds like a kde screensaver then
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23743 in kdeartwork "Screensaver plugins Swarm and Space GL do not start" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/23743
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's from rss-glx, usually
[04:57] <Hobbsee> gorgeous screensaver :)
[04:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh, right
[04:57] <Hobbsee> chowells: apologies for any rudeness, etc, from myself - it's around 1am, and i'm fighting not to pass out - and have been doing so on and off all night
[04:57] <cmvo> Riddell: My problem is, that Swarm and Space GL only work in test mode.
[04:58] <chowells> Hobbsee: someone ported two of the RSS screensavers to KDE natively
[04:58] <Hobbsee> cmvo: they're the only two xsavers in the middle of kscreensaver.  i'm wondering why they're there at all
[04:58] <Hobbsee> chowells: oh nice!  wish they worked.  which was the other - solarwinds and ?
[04:58] <chowells> Hobbsee: I'm not sure without looking
[04:58] <Hobbsee> or were you referring to kspace and kswarm?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:59] <Hobbsee> chowells: oh, euphoria
[04:59] <chowells> Hobbsee: this is really bad time for myself also, trying to move house/find out why my bank closed my accounts without asking/do washing. bbl
[04:59] <Hobbsee> chowells: okay, you'll come back in 24 hours or so maybe?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> or once you have an answer?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:59] <\sh> merge done.
[04:59] <chowells> Hobbsee: in a few hours, maybe
[04:59] <Hobbsee> \sh: excellent, thanks.  that was of kdiff3, so i dont have to worry about it?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> chowells: i'll be asleep sorry - UK/AU timezones are terrible
[05:00] <Hobbsee> chowells: but whatever, and there's always email if you really cant find me
[05:00] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes..I'll upload the source packages to my server so someone can take it and do an upload
[05:00] <apachelogger> if there is no .pot in the po directory, do I still have to generate it while packaging?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> night all.  if i make it that far.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> night Riddell
[05:02] <Riddell> conference over, I'm gone
[05:02] <Riddell> night Hobbsee
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hehe cya
[05:02] <cmvo> Hobbsee: night, cu around
[05:02] <Hobbsee> cmvo: i'll be here :P
[05:02] <Hobbsee> a bit
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: is here, so not a lot.
[06:30] <nixternal> moins
[07:39] <jpatrick> hi nixternal
[07:41] <apachelogger> http://picasaweb.google.com/apachelogger/Misc/photo#4947197637897879570
[07:41] <apachelogger> yummy :D
[07:44] <Riddell> yay!
[07:48] <nixternal> well hello there jpatrick
[07:48] <nixternal> hey Riddell...what are you yay'n for?
[07:48] <nixternal> apachelogger: please don't rub it in...you know the fact you have your cd's and I DON"T!!!
[07:49] <apachelogger> hehe, my cds = anyone's cds
[07:49] <apachelogger> they will soon visit whole austria ;-)
[07:50] <Riddell> nixternal: that apachelogger has kubuntu CDs
[07:50] <nixternal> ahh yes
[07:51] <nixternal> apachelogger: did they come with stickers or no?
[07:51] <nixternal> i see the Ubuntu cd's come with stickers
[07:51] <apachelogger> no stickers
[07:51] <apachelogger> and some strange words ;-)
[07:51] <nixternal> lol
[07:51] <hunger> nixternal: Yeap... but only the ubuntu ones and those come printed on a white background.
[07:52] <hunger> nixternal: Can't have those on my nice black thinkpad;-)
[07:52] <nixternal> im gonna paste my ubuntu stickers all over the taco bell windows like veryone else does ;)
[07:52] <apachelogger> for example the cover says "to install kubuntu, run the live cd and double click on the install icon"
[07:52] <nixternal> haha..really?
[07:52] <apachelogger> yeah... never saw double click in kde :P
[07:52] <nixternal> hehe no doubt
[07:53] <nixternal> double click would start 2 instances of an installation
[07:53] <apachelogger> yeah
[07:53] <apachelogger> another thing is "to request free ubuntu CDs, visit shipit.kubuntu.org"
[07:53] <jpatrick> apachelogger: probably to trick the windows people
[07:53] <nixternal> lol
[07:53] <apachelogger> well
[07:53] <apachelogger> I guess the text is just stolen from the ubuntu cd :P
[07:53] <apachelogger> anyway, really minor stuff that is
[07:54] <nixternal> post it as a bug...you might as well be the first one
[07:54] <apachelogger> somehow I think no one would care ;-)
[07:54] <nixternal> "when i double click as told on my kubuntu cd's from shipit, it opens up 2 install windows, which one do i use"
[07:54] <nixternal> haha
[07:54] <apachelogger> lol
[07:54] <nixternal> i will reply with "neither, as it will void the warranty"
[07:55] <nixternal> and then reject it
[07:55] <apachelogger> Amarok 1.4.1 in ~2 hours
[07:55] <apachelogger> ..hopefully..
[07:56] <nixternal> i already have it ;)
[07:57] <apachelogger> huh, how so?
[07:57] <apachelogger> I haven't tagged yet
[07:57] <jpatrick> he got a leaked version
[07:57] <jpatrick> ;)
[07:57] <apachelogger> oioi :P
[07:57] <nixternal> apachelogger: on the Amarok site, there is a nice splash screen with the cars coming at you...is this going to be the new splash for "Fast Forward"
[07:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: can you give me the URL?
[07:58] <nixternal> it is on the front page of the site
[07:58] <apachelogger> nope
[07:58] <apachelogger> even though I have to admit - we don't have a new splash yet
[07:58] <jpatrick> nixternal: that's the decoy
[07:58] <apachelogger> our artists use to disappear  a lot :S
[07:58] <nixternal> http://amarok.kde.org
[07:58] <apachelogger> only release pic for beta1 that is
[07:59] <nixternal> i like that splash...since kds isn't gettin' fixed to stop the splash from appearing after you disable it ;)   i might as well have that cool looking splash ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> well kds is getting fixed...i just wanted to be a pain in the.............
[08:00] <apachelogger> I'm not sure whether this is a kde issue
[08:00] <apachelogger> even more a bug in amarok caused by dappers kiosk rc
[08:00] <nixternal> really...i have heard different things concerning it...so i just stuck with what i heard last i think
[08:01] <apachelogger> if you remove the show splash screen option from the amarokrc in kubuntu-default-settings you can turn the splash off
[08:01] <nixternal> yup
[08:01] <nixternal> arg..gotta go do some work..and then do some packaging later on
[08:01] <nixternal> ttyl
[08:31] <Riddell> see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates jpatrick :)
[10:33] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[10:35] <kwwii> Riddell: heads up, there is an email about the kubuntu.org page (looks and content) on the ubuntu-artwork list.
[10:45] <nixternal> moins kwwii
[10:46] <kwwii> hi nixternal
[11:43] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/76/66/
[11:43] <apachelogger> :D
[11:54] <abattoir> apachelogger: awesome :)
[11:58] <\sh> apachelogger: congrats :)
[11:58] <apachelogger> thx :)
[11:58] <\sh> apachelogger: tell it to the other amarok devs as well :)
[11:59] <apachelogger> \sh: done ;-)
[12:00] <abattoir> so its officially Amarok now?
[12:00] <abattoir> ... instead of amaroK
[12:00] <apachelogger> yep


[07:02] <kaisoz> hi!
[13:15] <greyback> dednick: hey, could I get you to have a look at this https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/active-decision-refactor/+merge/308353
[13:15] <greyback> it touches something you worked on previously
[13:50] <dednick> greyback: sure
[13:50] <greyback> thanks
[13:50] <greyback> dednick: quick testcase added
[14:41] <kaisoz> hi
[17:18] <oscon> hi can anyone guide me with unity8 installation ? i tried installing but nothing works. I can't open any app other than scopes
[18:25] <kaisoz> anybody here? I have a question... it looks like the Greeter is loaded when the user turns off the screen. It makes sense, since in that situation the Greeter is already in  memory and ready for when the user turns the screen on
[18:25] <kaisoz> my question is.. is there any way to detect when the screen has been turned on?
[19:11] <ads20000> Is it now recommended again to use the Stable Phone Overlay PPA for testing Unity 8 again? A while ago the people on the CI Train IRC (I think) said that wasn't designed to be used as a repository and introduced a triple landing system where they would land new Unity 8 packages on the PPA, 16.10 and 16.04 via SRUs...
[19:12] <ads20000> and they added a thing to the descriptor of the Stable Phone Overlay PPA saying it wasn't recommended to be used as a repo, but it seems they've removed that now


[02:47] <sagaci> how long does it take for CD's to be mailed to locos after the release?
[02:48] <sagaci> head_victim, ^
[02:56] <head_victim> Usually 2 - 4 weeks
[02:57] <head_victim> Well, that's what the last one was.
[02:57] <sagaci> yeah so I guess they don't start doing the cd's until a few days after the release, due to the release perhaps being delayed
[02:59] <head_victim> Yeah they generally ask us to organise delivery address details prior so when they're done they come straight out
[03:01] <sagaci> Ubuntu-au HQ, QLD 3000
[03:01] <sagaci> or 4000, I can't remember the postcode
[03:12] <head_victim> I contemplated getting a PO BOX for the team but a lot of deliveries from Canonical can't be sent to PO BOXES anyway so thought it wasn't overly useful in the end.


[01:50] <floro> hola
[02:23] <gaobin> 今天怎么样
[02:42] <AccelSec> ohi
[02:55] <[Relic]> does anyone know of 17.04 would let you have a session per monitor with an nvidia card?
[03:14] <weboh> is there a way to defrag linux kubuntu?
[03:17] <weboh> I am reinstalling things and it seems to speed programs up on my SSD.
[03:18] <AccelSec> wat in tarnation
[03:18] <AccelSec> who even are you
[03:18] <weboh> just a power user :P
[03:18] <AccelSec> uh ok
[03:18] <AccelSec> WAIt is this a public thing?
[03:18] <AccelSec> who owns this lol
[03:19] <weboh> Perhaps synaptic is disabled in Plasma under Wayland in the Alpha release. shit happens.
[03:19] <AccelSec> damn ok
[03:19] <AccelSec> welp uh
[03:19] <weboh> This happened in the last release.
[03:19] <AccelSec> idk now lol
[09:23] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:59] <discovered> hi
[10:00] <discovered> I am having several problem with kubuntu
[10:01] <discovered> The panel volume icone gone, the rear cpu headphone panel not output clear sound
[10:13] <BluesKaj> discovered, install kmix, then open alsmixer in the terminal and set the volume ctls there, any muted outputs you want with MM are muted, use the M key to mute or unmute
[10:14] <discovered> This kmix is not same look as default
[10:15] <discovered> I don't know why it gone
[10:17] <acheronuk> kmix is a different app to the now built in volume control which is in package plasma-pa
[10:17] <BluesKaj> I guess it became redundant, kmix works just as well or better IME
[10:17] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, well the plasma vol ctl isn't neede IMO
[10:18] <BluesKaj> needed
[10:18] <discovered> acheronuk, what is name of that default app?
[10:18] <acheronuk> discovered: it's a plasma plugin/widget, so doesn't run as a separate app
[10:19] <discovered> BluesKaj, My main problem is the headphone not working from PC's rear panel. Perhaps HDMI sound confusedion
[10:19] <BluesKaj> no, hdmi doesn't affect analog outs
[10:20] <acheronuk> need to make sure it is enabled in the system tray settings http://i.imgur.com/Z3bKgPO.png
[10:20] <BluesKaj> hdmi is contr4olled by spdif which is difital
[10:20] <BluesKaj> err digital
[10:23] <BluesKaj> discovered, check your system tray settings for vol ctl, auto might not work for it , choose show
[10:25] <discovered> Need to reboot
[10:26] <kde_> hi
[10:30] <discovered> acheronuk, audio control is not listed in system tray
[10:32] <BluesKaj> discovered, system tray>entries
[10:33] <discovered> BluesKaj, For that first i need to install kmix ?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> no
[10:34] <discovered> Missing there too! http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1498905271.png
[10:37] <discovered> I am trying to fix this sounds (headphone+icon) for last 24 hours
[10:39] <BluesKaj> which' desktop areyou using
[10:40] <discovered> Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS \n \l (Kubuntu)
[10:41] <BluesKaj> well, if you want a vol ctl in the system tray, install kmix
[10:45] <discovered> It is shown as Volume Control. I wanted to see the default one
[10:46] <BluesKaj> they both do the same thing and kmix has more options
[10:47] <discovered> More frustrated problem is headphone not working well. In windows 10(dual boot) it is working(though realtek audio manager is installed)
[10:49] <BluesKaj> have you checked your audio vol ctls in alsamixer as suggested, and install pavucontrol if you use pulseaudio, and set the vol ctl and audio outs there aswell
[10:49] <discovered> I am uploading the screenshot
[10:50] <discovered> BluesKaj, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1498906235.png
[10:53] <discovered> So it is muted? I pressed m after nevigating to headphone and increased the volume but same result
[10:54] <BluesKaj> discovered, your headphone, Line  are muted and volumes are turned off, also disable automute, that's your ptoblem
[10:55] <discovered> If i change the headphone to unmuted and increase the volume , it does not change any result. I only can noisy sound on my right ear
[10:56] <discovered> BluesKaj, http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1498906590.png
[11:00] <BluesKaj> discovered, your master vol is too low , the Line vol is still muted, and the automute is still enabled, disable it, look on the far right for these controls
[11:03] <discovered> BluesKaj, Hmm. i have changed those .... Should i save ?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> yes, in the terminal sudo alsactl store
[11:06] <discovered> Then reboot?
[11:09] <BluesKaj> no need to reboot
[11:09] <BluesKaj> try your sound
[11:10] <discovered> Tried and it is same result.
[11:10] <discovered> The rear jack not working with the sound speaker too(in Kubuntu)
[11:11] <discovered> It worked before
[11:16] <BluesKaj> try the line out for headphones
[11:22] <discovered> I will come back in few minutes
[12:14] <discovered> it did not fix
[12:15] <oost> discovered: BluesKaj went away... (and i cannot help you)
[12:15] <discovered> oh
[12:16] <oost> maybe someone else can though ;)
[12:19] <discovered> what is the current version of plasma in kbuntu?
[12:19] <oost> discovered: that probably depends on your version of kubuntu installed
[12:20] <discovered> i am using 16.* . but in 17 ?
[12:20] <discovered> KDE Frameworks 5.31, Plasma 5.9.4
[12:22] <acheronuk> for 17.04: 5.9.4, with 5.9.5 in the updates ppa, and 5.10.3 in backports ppa
[12:25] <discovered> Plasma going to be 6 soon ?
[12:30] <oost> discovered: no -> https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5   (i just googled btw)
[12:30] <oerheks> 5.9.x 5.10.x 5.11.x ... no, i guesss not
[12:31] <oost> and will probably match KDE release numbers
[12:31] <discovered> hmm..
[12:31] <discovered> May be in 2021 6 will be released
[12:31] <oost> or at least the major numbers
[12:31] <discovered> hmm
[15:27] <johnstumbles> how to configure screensaver on kubuntu 16.04?
[15:28] <johnstumbles> I have installed xscreensaver and friends but can't see how to turn it on in system settings
[15:28] <johnstumbles> my google-fu isn't finding it either :-(
[15:41] <johnstumbles> Ah got it! the xscreensaver daemon wasn't running (I guess/hope it should start automatically when the system starts now it's been installed) and it wants the command xscreensaver-command -lock  to run after x minutes configured in Energy Saving -> run script
[18:27] <Dragnslcr> Is there a way to automatically turn off the builtin laptop screen when an external monitor is plugged in, and then turn the builtin screen back on when the monitor unplugged?
[18:28] <Dragnslcr> Alternatively, is it safe to use xrandr without breaking KDE's settings?
[19:08] <MaciejKa> Good evening, I have problem with install last version of kubuntu
[19:10] <MaciejKa> when I start disc with install version of kubuntu it stop loadnig install at the line: Starting update UTMP about system boot/shutdown...
[19:11] <MaciejKa> can you help me?
[19:14] <MaciejKa> Good evening, I have problem with install last version of kubuntu , when I start disc with install version of kubuntu it stop loadnig install at the line: Starting update UTMP about system boot/shutdown..
[20:21] <fmw> hi
[22:56] <markplunkett> So this is what a linux computer looks like eh?
[23:05] <Guest29191> i need a rescue.. I installed windows over ubuntu and now i'm trying to restore access to ubuntu. i have been able to bypass windows and get to Grub and choose Ubuntu,but I get stuck at a black screen, no logo or anything
[23:06] <Guest29191> i just tried the recommended boot-repair tool and this is where i'm at
[23:13] <Guest29191> trying to reinstall grub i get this error now: grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible.
[23:13] <Guest29191> i have a separate boot partition, at least it is labeled that way
[23:28] <redophant> ok now i cant even read the filesystem apparently... i think i killed my system


[03:59] <pleia2> so much IoT
[04:00] <pleia2> thankfully the IoT conference is only one week long ;)
[04:02] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue417
[04:06] <pleia2> ok, sent off to editors
[04:06] <pleia2> going to bed now
[04:07] <Unit193> Sorry, lost the screen window for a minute.  One failed to load, but hopefully a temp error.
[18:09] <PaulW2U> editorial review done


[12:58] <webmind> is this place moving?
[12:59] <sixwheeledbeast> everyone else is talking about libera
[14:31] <webmind> yeah, seems staff has moved there