[02:18] <ScottK> slangasek: Not that I particularly care in this case, but seeing that your gconf upload introduces two new binary packages, shouldn't there have been an FFe?
[02:20] <slangasek> ScottK: hmm, yes, it probably ought to have - sorry
[02:33] <ScottK> Consider yourself suitably chastized.
[03:44] <slangasek> ScottK: could be worse, I could've managed to upload this completely broken patch to soprano I've been working on that my test methodology was broken for :)
[03:45] <ScottK> slangasek: It depends.   I'd appreciate it if someone from the release team could look at bug 944849 and give a go/no-go. thanks!
[14:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 944849 in isc-dhcp "[FFe] converting isc-dhcp from sysvinit to upstart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944849
[15:15] <skaet> Daviey,  could you weigh in on the implications of FFe 944849 ^,   can we stabilize this change if it lands before 3/15?   Any interactions with the other changes already planned that you're aware of?
[15:16] <skaet> stgraber,  would the change be able to be landed before 3/15?
[15:17] <stgraber> skaet: yes
[15:17] <stgraber> skaet: I'd likely have it done and tested this week
[15:18] <stgraber> it was initialy an ubuntu-server work item I stole from Daviey's team as they didn't have enough time to do it for 12.04
[15:18] <skaet> thanks stgraber,  that's what I was hoping to hear.  :)
[15:18]  * skaet smiles at that... ;)
[15:23] <Daviey> skaet: I'm not too concerned about that.  stgraber knows what he is doing, and it's easy enough to rollback if we need to.
[15:24] <skaet> Daviey,  it was more if there were implications with any of your other plans/fixes landing that I was wanting to make sure you had input.
[15:25] <skaet> but if you don't forsee any issues, with the other fixes landing,  and it can be done this week,  I'm ok with it.
[15:25] <Daviey> skaet: Yep, thanks.  I understand it, that for IPv4 it would be no-change.. and currently, none of our specific plans are dependant on ipv6 features.
[15:26] <Daviey> So works for me :)
[15:26] <skaet> Daviey,  coolio.
[15:26] <skaet> stgraber,  I'll go put an approved comment in the FFe with the caveat that the work must land before 3/15
[15:26] <stgraber> skaet: ok, thanks
[15:27] <skaet> thanks stgraber for improving the IPv6 story.  :)
[15:28] <Daviey> \o/
[15:28] <Daviey> stgraber: If you kill my home ipv6 network, i will punish you. kkthnx
[15:28] <greyback> Hi, I need somebody to consider this FFe please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/947976
[15:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947976 in unity-2d "[unity-2d] FF exception to add PointerBarrier to Unity2d" [High,New]
[15:29] <stgraber> Daviey: are you using dhcpv6? otherwise you should be fine (or I broke it already) ;)
[15:30] <Daviey> stgraber: Would you hate me if i said i was still using radvd?
[15:31] <stgraber> Daviey: no, that's what I'm using here ;)
[15:32] <stgraber> Daviey: and you'll always need radvd, even with stateful dhcpv6 as dhcpv6 won't announce the default gateway (and you need to set the "other-config" flag in radvd for your clients to start doing dhcpv6)
[15:37] <skaet> greyback,  need to understand the timing of when your Feature would end up landing.   didrocks,  any concerns about 947976?
[15:40] <Daviey> stgraber: ah, cool
[15:40] <didrocks> bug #947976
[15:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 947976 in unity-2d "[unity-2d] FF exception to add PointerBarrier to Unity2d" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947976
[15:40] <didrocks> skaet: the metacity patch I saw is pretty straightforward
[15:41] <didrocks> skaet: and unity-2d team is good at writing tests
[15:41] <didrocks> so I guess that if this is tested as usual with the freeze process
[15:41] <didrocks> that's fine (and before beta2)
[15:42] <skaet> didrocks, ok,  its just a question then of when it might be landing and visible,  and how close up to Beta 2 it becomes.   Any insight there?
[15:44] <didrocks> skaet: next unity/unity2d release (we are still trying to land unity 3d 5.6) will be the 22 march (after freezing our own code the Monday before)
[15:44] <didrocks> so tests between monday and thursday
[15:44] <didrocks> and release on time for beta2 freeze
[15:45] <skaet> didrocks,  landing it right on the freeze is a bit risky - what will the fall back be?
[15:46] <didrocks> skaet: well, we do that now that we have a freeze period
[15:46] <didrocks> skaet: as before we land, we have 4 full days of testing and only fixing the unity release critical
[15:47] <didrocks> and it worked well so far
[15:47] <didrocks> so it's not "we are cutting a release on thursday"
[15:47] <didrocks> it's "we are prepping the release starting the monday before"
[15:47] <skaet> just so I'm clear,  when does 5.6 actually land?   and what will the number be of the one on 3/22
[15:48] <greyback> During that test period we work closely with distro to ensure all concerns are dealt with
[15:49] <didrocks> skaet: for unity 2d 5.6 has already landed, 5.8 will be the next one
[15:50] <skaet> didrocks,  my definition of landed for a component is that its in the archive ;)   I'm still seeing 5.4 as the version there....   when will 5.6 be showing up.
[15:51] <skaet> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity
[15:51] <didrocks> skaet: we are speaking about unity-2d here
[15:51] <didrocks> not unity
[15:51] <didrocks> this FFe is about unity-2d
[15:52] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d
[15:52] <skaet> didrocks, gotcha
[15:54] <skaet> didrocks, how can we have a unity 5.4 and unity-2d 5.6 in the archive?   I'm afraid I need a bit of education, and I had assumed that both needed to be at the same release number?
[15:55] <didrocks> skaet: not at all
[15:55] <didrocks> skaet: we just try to have rougly the same release versionning at the same time
[15:55] <didrocks> skaet: but even last cycle, the versionning was totally separated
[15:55] <didrocks> you can think them as two different applicatoins
[15:56] <didrocks> which, they really are
[15:56] <didrocks> some parts are in common, like libunity-core
[15:56] <didrocks> when they preserve API/ABI stability, they are not really linked
[15:56] <didrocks> (as it's not because a new gtk is out that all GNOME apps are released)
[15:56] <didrocks> and older GNOME apps still work
[15:58] <skaet> Thanks for the explanation didrocks.  :)
[15:58] <didrocks> skaet: you're welcome :)
[16:02] <skaet> didrocks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule has unity-2d 5.8 listed for 3/8 (which I have to admit, am much more comfortable with for the FFE;) )   is unity-2d 5.8 3/8 or 3/22?
[16:03] <didrocks> skaet: 3/22, not sure who put the date here
[16:03] <didrocks> certainly not someone making the release :)
[16:04] <skaet> didrocks, dbarth is page author...
[16:04] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule?action=diff&rev2=15&rev1=14
[16:04] <didrocks> not sure he has the insight of the release timing then
[16:05] <didrocks> as well, the LIM is almost 100% sured to be canceled
[16:05] <didrocks> (in both 3d and 2d)
[16:09] <skaet> didrocks,  can you work with dbarth to get that page updated please?   we need to know accurately what's landing and when so we can prevent a pileup/system level breakage on beta freeze date.
[16:10] <didrocks> skaet: speaking with the unity-2d guys right now, we can try having a micro release starting next week, just containing the barrier work to make everyone life easier
[16:10] <didrocks> then, regular 5.8 release (bug fix only) for 3d and 2d on the 22
[16:10] <didrocks> wdyt?
[16:11] <skaet> didrocks,  that would be great if we can manage it.  :)
[16:11] <greyback> Yes I think it's a good solution to the problem
[16:11] <didrocks> skaet: it's more work, but overworked to be overworked already… let's try this
[16:17] <skaet> thanks didrocks
[16:17] <didrocks> yw :)
[16:17] <greyback> skaet: thanking you
[16:38] <greyback> skaet: Many thanks, your reservations are understood
[16:39] <skaet> thanks greyback. :)
[17:09] <ralsina> quick question: ubuntuone-control-panel-qt has a wrong --help. Is that covered by UI freeze? It's not translated.
[17:13] <cjwatson> I don't think there's any need to regard --help as covered by UI freeze
[17:29] <ScottK> Maybe we should call it GUI freeze.
[17:30] <ralsina> ok, thanks!
[18:11] <utlemming> smoser: I think that adding the apt config of "Acquire::Retries=3" should fix some of our EC2-archive pain
[18:13] <utlemming> smoser: per the docs, it sets the "Number of retries to perform. If this is non-zero APT will retry failed files the given number of times."
[18:28] <Laney> ProgramSurfacesIncludedDirectlyInOfficialDocuemtationFreeze
[19:18] <debfx> hrm, I just uploaded inkscape to add recommends: libgnomevfs2-extra without noticing that it's in universe
[19:18] <debfx> the source is in main though
[19:19] <debfx> do you want me to revert that upload?
[19:22] <micahg> I don't think the desktop team wants to support gnomevfs anymore
[19:22] <Laney> indeed, don't think we should be supporting that
[19:22] <Laney> the feature that requires it should use gio now ideally
[19:25] <debfx> upstream says the next release will use gio but that won't happen in time for precise
[19:26] <Laney> might have to take that hit then
[19:26] <Laney> perhaps you could improve the error message to give users more of a clue
[19:26]  * Laney out
[19:32] <debfx> micahg: as I said gnome-vfs is in main anyway. it's just about the extra backends.
[19:33] <seb128> do we need inkscape in main?
[19:35] <stgraber> isn't it on the DVD image?
[19:35] <debfx> yes
[19:36] <micahg> gnome-vfs still has a few build depends in main (firefox, thunderbird, shotwell)
[19:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ what are you doing!
[19:41] <seb128> micahg, shotwell seems a mistake, I though firefox,tb were using gio?
[19:44] <micahg> seb128: they should be using gio, it's only a build time depedency
[19:46] <micahg> seb128: all of those were build time only dependencies, here's the runtime dep list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/871965/
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg, seb128, the build-dependency is there as an artefact of the fact that we can't have per-release build-depends from the same branch
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> and older releases build with gnomevfs
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> although
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> i should change that. we're going to be purging all gnomevfs support from firefox anyway
[20:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you could do that with control.in, but as you said, it's a moot point now
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg, that wouldn't work in any case. which is why i haven't done it ;)
[20:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, if you regenerate control.in before uploading it would (the problem is changing control.in in the clean rule, nothing says you couldn't modify the bot to do it separately :))
[20:36] <micahg> err..s/control.in/control/, but this is getting OT
[21:05] <ScottK> Does "... but we will SRU key items ..." in http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1027 imply that SRU policy is going to change for 12.04 to add new features post-release?
[21:07] <infinity> ScottK: I don't think it implies that, and that's certainly not something any of the release team is aware of being new policy (and we're the people who'd need to implement it, and the TB would need to approve it...)
[21:08] <infinity> ScottK: I'm choosing to read it as "Unity's not perfect, but we promise to keep fixing bugs, even post-release".
[21:08] <ScottK> I'm good with that.
[21:08] <ScottK> I hope you're right.
[21:08] <infinity> Meh, if it means something more, I'm happy to take it to the TB.
[21:09] <stgraber> yeah, haven't heard of any change on the TB side either, so I assumed it was just usual SRUs (bugfixes only)
[21:09] <infinity> The same TB that Mark stepped down from, specifically to avoid these sort of conflicts of interest, I suspect. ;)
[21:09] <infinity> s/sort/sorts/
[21:10] <stgraber> hmm, that never prevented him sabdfl-ing changes though, just that now it can say that the TB was against it ;)
[21:10] <infinity> Policy changes are a bit different from sabdfling, say, new software during a development cycle, etc.
[21:11] <infinity> Not that I'm saying we won't consider sabdflication of SRU policies, but we (both -release and TB, I suspect) will stand up against it, I'm sure.
[21:12] <infinity> Anyhow, like I said, I'm choosing to read that blog post as "we'll fix bugs, honest".
[21:12] <infinity> Which is an important commitment to make when you're shipping something that you admit you know has bugs.


[03:59] <a> hi
[03:59] <hoodie-1> hi
[04:00] <stlsaint> hoodie-1: hello
[04:00] <hoodie-1> i got java working in chromium by using lubuntu 10.04 instead of 11.04
[04:00] <stlsaint> hoodie-1: cool
[04:00] <hoodie-1> but 10.04's flash plugin is glitchy.. in fact..
[04:00] <stlsaint> i still run 10.04 :D
[04:01] <hoodie-1> 10.04 seems glitchy altogether.. idk what the deal is
[04:01] <hoodie-1> not right now, but i haven't started doing anything intensive
[04:02] <hoodie-1> like.. watching "the office" with flash from hulu.com was glitchy
[04:02] <hoodie-1> even at 280p
[04:02] <hoodie-1> i only have 1gb RAM, no video (integrated)
[04:02] <hoodie-1> but it worked well with 11.04
[04:03] <KM0201> hmm,
[04:03] <KM0201> why did you switch to 10.04?
[04:03] <stlsaint> slightly odd
[04:03] <hoodie-1> i updated all packages
[04:03] <stlsaint> KM0201: cause java issues on 11.04
[04:03] <KM0201> hmmm
[04:03] <hoodie-1> in 10.04 java applets work, not in 11.04
[04:04] <hoodie-1> maybe it was a one-time thing.. i doubt it.. idk
[04:10] <jmarsden> hoodie-1: You can test that by booting from the 11.04 CD, doing "Try Lubuntu without installing", adding Java, and viewing Hulu... right?
[04:14] <pmatulis> i'm looking for a k/b s/c for shutting down w/o a p/w.  anyone?
[04:14] <Byan> jmarsden: well, hulu isnt java?
[04:14] <pmatulis> getting tired of using the mouse for that
[04:16] <jmarsden> Byan: hulu is a web site, Java is a programming language.  if yu mean hulu's web site doesn't use Java, you might be right... but hoodie-1 thinks it does, apparently... or else I misread the earlier dialog.
[04:16] <KM0201>  hulu uses flash
[04:16] <KM0201> i'm watching something right now, it seems to be fine
[04:17] <jmarsden> pmatulis: k/b s/c p/w ?  Can we use English?  sudo shutdown -h now   should work fine.  You can set /etc/sudoers to allow that exact command to happen without a password, if you need to.
[04:17] <stlsaint> jmarsden: time for a quick ping?
[04:17] <jmarsden> stlsaint: Sure.
[04:19] <pmatulis> jmarsden: keyboard shortcut without password.  i know i can hack the sudoers file but i thought i could easily emulate the mousing i'm currently doing
[04:21] <jmarsden> pmatulis: One line in a text file is (for me) easier than running some sort of weird GUI macro processing tool to fake mouse clicks... but I am generally more comfortable at a shell prompt than doing complex things in a GUI anyway :)
[04:27] <hoodie-1> yea it's glitchin out on me
[04:40] <jmarsden> hoodie-1: I booted Lubuntu 11.04 from CD in a virtual machine here, added flashplayer-installer, and ran hulu just fine... so if there is an issue with chromium-browser or flash in 11.04, it may only show up on some particular computer hardware...
[04:46] <hoodie-1> 11.04 works fine here, but 10.04 doesn;t
[04:53] <hoodie-1> lubuntu 11.04's java applets don't work
[04:53] <hoodie-1> lubuntu 10.04's flash doesn't work nicely
[04:53] <Byan> hoodie-1: ok, lets establish something. hulu doesn't use java
[04:53] <hoodie-1> i know
[04:53] <Byan> ok
[04:53] <Byan> so, both flash and java applets aren't working?
[04:54] <hoodie-1> flash works great in 11.04
[04:54] <hoodie-1> java works great in 10.04
[04:54] <Byan> ok
[04:54] <Byan> do you have sun java installed?
[04:54] <hoodie-1> right now i'm running 10.04. java works great, but flash is compromised
[04:54] <hoodie-1> i don't know if it's flash, or my whole system. i think it's my whole system.
[04:55] <Byan> what does that mean
[04:55] <hoodie-1> xtorrent seems to slow down and speed up
[04:55] <hoodie-1> oh, and mp3 streaming was having glitches similar to flash
[04:55] <hoodie-1> so it's not flash
[04:56] <hoodie-1> my mouse doesn't ever freeze, nor do graphics
[04:56] <Byan> mp3 streaming uses flash in most cases unless you're using a shoutcast stream from a music player or something
[04:56] <hoodie-1> i didn't know that...
[04:56] <Byan> pandora == flash
[04:57] <Byan> etc
[04:57] <hoodie-1> but trasmission seems to be going slow/fast in 10.04
[04:57] <hoodie-1> (torrents)
[04:57] <hoodie-1> i don't use pandora
[04:57] <Byan> what do you use?
[04:57] <hoodie-1> gnome mplayer
[04:57] <hoodie-1> 128k mp3 stream
[04:57] <Byan> oh, thats probably not flash then.. that sounds like a shoutcast stream..
[04:58] <Byan> definately not*
[04:58] <hoodie-1> ok so it's not flash
[04:58] <Byan> glitching how?
[04:58] <hoodie-1> video goes blank for 1-5 seconds every 30 seconds
[04:59] <hoodie-1> roughly
[04:59] <hoodie-1> pretty much the same with audio
[04:59] <hoodie-1> i wonder if 11.04 utilizes memory much better...
[04:59] <hoodie-1> i only have 1gb ram, no video ram (it's integrated)
[05:00] <hoodie-1> course, that doesn't explain mp3 streams
[05:00] <hoodie-1> so much..
[05:01] <hoodie-1> a long time ago i used to run hulu flash in firefox because i think it was smoother, but that was windows
[05:04] <hoodie-1> looking at my system monitor.. the cpu runs at 90-95-100% when video is going..
[05:04] <hoodie-1> ram is at like 25%
[05:05] <hoodie-1> hmm.. it was at 95% then cut out...
[05:36] <Byan> sounds like a driver problem to me
[05:57] <hoodie-1> i updated all packages
[05:58] <hoodie-1> "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[06:31] <jmarsden> hoodie-1: Some older Intel video chipsets have many known issues; I don't know for sure that what you are seeing is one of them, but it may be.  What does     sudo lshw -c video -short |tail -n 1     output on your machine?
[06:38] <hoodie-1> display     Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[06:45] <jmarsden> OK... That's not the "oldest" of the oldIntel video chipsets, but it's not that recent either.  Have you tried using the framebuffer driver instead of the Intel one to see if it makes any difference?
[06:46] <jmarsden> (Now I need to remember how to do that...!)
[06:55] <jmarsden> Midnight here, time for bed, hope you get it straightened out; if not feel free to ask for help on the lubuntu-desktop mailing list, or come back here again :)
[11:12] <hoodie-1> hello??
[13:04] <jita> I cannot seem to install lubuntu 11.04 under virtualbox 4.1.0, it hangs on startup and the screen flickers and says ubiquity crashed
[13:04] <jita> whats the reason ?
[13:05] <jita> peppermint os 2 installs fine
[13:11] <phillw> jita: how much RAM have you allocated the VM?
[13:12] <jita> phillw: 256MB
[13:12] <phillw> that's not enough RAM
[13:12] <jita> phillw: i will try with 512mb
[13:13] <phillw> that will be okay :)
[13:15] <jita> phillw: works thanks a lot
[13:16] <phillw> you're welcome.
[13:23] <KM0201> phillw: u been having issues w/ network manager by chance?
[13:51] <phillw> KM0201: I run lubuntu in VM's so my network is not managed by them.
[13:51] <KM0201> phillw: oh thats right
[13:51] <KM0201> my bad
[14:40] <zorklat> how do I add programs or scripts to the login or startx sequence?
[14:46] <phillw> zorklat: it is covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[14:50] <zorklat> I think I already have the program mentioned; i want to add the command xset  m 2 0 to it.
[15:04] <zorklat> it's not letting me add "xset m 2  0" to fix mouse acceleration
[15:19] <Mike_lb> Hi, I installed Lubuntu and selected the option to encrypt /home. As I understand, my /home is now encrypted with ecryptfs and I read that it encrypts the files but you could still read the filenames. So I booted from a live cd and tried to look at my /home but it's empty, why is it?
[15:22] <phillw> I do not use encryption. If you ask on #ubuntu-beginners one of the people on there may have some experience of encryption.
[15:27] <phillw> zorklat: when you say 'not letting you add' could explain a bit more what you mean.
[15:28] <Mike_lb> thanks
[15:29] <zorklat> phillw, there's a list of apps in Desktop Session Settings, and no button to add more
[15:31] <zorklat> what I am REALLY looking for is a way to make mouse acceleration settings persist
[15:31] <phillw> zorklat: section 3 in guides on the FAQ covers adding an app to the start menu
[15:32] <phillw> does the keyboard / mouse settings not savev?
[15:33] <zorklat> nope, it crashes whenever I try to adjust acceleration or threshold.
[15:36] <AmberJ> Hello
[15:36] <phillw> zorklat: take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxinput/+bug/725194 there has been a fix released, check that you are on the latest version of lxinput
[15:40] <zorklat> that fix isn't in synaptic, which is still at 0.3.0-0ubuntu4
[15:42] <zorklat> fix is in 0.3.0-0ubuntu5
[15:44] <phillw> gilir: lxinput is still @ version 4 in Synaptic, does the OP need to add the lubuntu ppa to get the version 5?
[15:44] <phillw> zorklat: I'm just asking the boss :)
[15:45] <AmberJ> Did my question (5 posts) got to this channel before I disconnected?
[15:46] <phillw> AmberJ: I only saw the Hello
[15:46] <AmberJ> :(
[15:46] <gilir> phillw, the fix is only available in oneiric for now
[15:47] <zorklat> well, rats.  is there somewhere I can download a .deb?
[15:47] <phillw> gilir: any suggestions for a workaround? apart from adding the  oneric repo and *just* grabbing the newer lxinput, before removing the repo again?
[15:49] <gilir> phillw, adding the oneiric repo on a natty install is not a good idea :)
[15:50] <phillw> I know, that is why I would prefer a different method.  I can try it on my VM and see if it kills it if you think it has any chance of actually working?
[15:50] <AmberJain> Arghh....got disconnected again
[15:51] <AmberJain> Anyone suggested anything?
[15:51] <phillw> AmberJain: we are still awaiting to see the question :/
[15:52] <AmberJain> :(
[15:52] <AmberJain> This is a weird problem I'm facing...
[15:52] <AmberJain> Whenever I use any voice chat application, then my mic volume is always 100%...
[15:52] <AmberJain> Even if I try to decrease it using alsamixergui, it auto shoots back to 100%
[15:52] <AmberJain>  Also, the 'lock' buttons in alsamixergui (that are supposed to lock volume imho) dont seem to work for me
[15:52] <AmberJain> s/are/is
[15:53]  * AmberJain forgot to correct typo 3rd time in a row ;)
[16:29] <guestnnnn> sdf
[16:40] <phillw> drat, e left :(
[17:45] <chjj> anyone around?
[18:17] <Guest10153> hello
[18:53] <vieq_> Hello, so um guys; I have ubuntu 11.04 and I want to go with lubuntu....do I apt-get install -install-recommends lubuntu-desktop && apt-get purge ubuntu-minimal ?
[18:53] <vieq_> or I 'll f*** things up this way?
[18:53] <vieq_> I already added the repo.
[18:55] <vieq_> or do fresh install and save all the whales?
[18:55] <vieq_> never mind, I found my answer
[18:55] <vieq_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install_Lubuntu_from_Ubuntu_or_any_Ubuntu_flavors
[20:42] <Aleksander> Hello. What is the lightest word processor with full support for .DOC, page numbers etc?
[20:44] <bioterror> doesnt abiword do that?
[20:44] <stlsaint> i believe so
[20:45] <Aleksander> bioterror, haven't seen abiword for a long time, but I haven't seen page numbers in it
[20:46] <bioterror> lubuntu comes with abiword?
[20:46] <stlsaint> Aleksander: well go with libre
[20:46] <Aleksander> stlsaint, is there an option to install only LibreOffice Writer, without the whole office?
[20:47] <stlsaint> Aleksander: not that i am aware of
[20:47] <stlsaint> Aleksander: mayeb quick google search but i have not personally seen one
[20:48] <Aleksander> stlsaint, i'm doing search right now but I can't see anything
[23:46] <silverarrow> hi
[23:46] <silverarrow> is anyone in lubuntu right now?
[23:47] <silverarrow> could anyone talk me through filesystems on linux and microsoft, regarding a harddisk that needs formatting?
[23:48] <silverarrow> anyone by the computer?
[23:49] <silverarrow> is there a way to have a filesystem on a external hard drive that works with Vista and Lubuntu interchangably ?
[23:53] <bioterror> NTFS
[23:53] <bioterror> use install gparted
[23:53] <bioterror> next!
[23:53] <silverarrow> lol
[23:54] <silverarrow> cool
[23:54] <silverarrow> I have g parted,  but I was a bit unshore about the linux/windows interchangablity, I need it to run smoothly
[23:55] <silverarrow> thanks bioterror


[03:05] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Debian doesn't strip translations like we do, so why would the issue be relevant to Debian.
[04:27] <ronin___> hi
[07:00] <tumbleweed> ScottK: exactly
[07:01] <tumbleweed> (but it would be nice to have a solution where the package could be kept in sync)
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <iulian> Good morning dholbach.
[07:53] <dholbach> hey iulian
[09:38] <jykae> hey o/
[10:37] <helpcrypto> hi
[10:37] <helpcrypto> can you tell me why im getting this: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency openssl (>= 0.9.8g)?
[10:40] <directhex> helpcrypto, pastebin your debian/control
[10:40] <helpcrypto> give a sec
[10:49] <helpcrypto> sorry for the delay, someone phoned
[10:52] <helpcrypto> directhex: here you are: http://pastebin.com/1f2HyCsF
[10:53] <directhex> helpcrypto, try removing the #DEPS line.
[10:54] <helpcrypto> ok.
[10:54] <helpcrypto> worked, but isnt that a comment?
[10:54] <helpcrypto> why it failed?
[10:55] <jtaylor> Lines starting with # without any preceding whitespace are comments
[10:55] <jtaylor> that line has a space in front
[10:55] <jtaylor> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-controlsyntax
[10:55] <helpcrypto> ok
[10:55] <helpcrypto> ill note that
[10:55] <helpcrypto> thx
[10:55] <helpcrypto> i try to be standard compliant
[10:55] <helpcrypto> but i missed that
[11:00] <soren> helpcrypto: Right, so what dpkg was trying to parse was effectively: "Depends: libpcsclite1 (>= 1.4.99), openssl (>= 0.9.8g) #DEPS"
[11:08] <helpcrypto> what makes me doubt was, that it sucessfully build for 32
[11:08] <helpcrypto> but didnt for 64
[11:08] <helpcrypto> (same version of equivs)
[11:08] <helpcrypto> btw
[11:09] <helpcrypto> is a chroot environment the only way to build 32 and 64 on the same computer?
[11:10] <jtaylor> its the easiest
[11:10] <jtaylor> you can install 32 and 64 bit libraries and cross compile
[11:11] <helpcrypto> i have to do it one day, actually im changing from vm to vm
[11:11] <helpcrypto> and, even more...changing from distro to distro
[11:11] <jtaylor> use pbuilder/cowbuilder/sbuild, very fast
[11:11] <helpcrypto> i use equivs for .deb and rpm-build for redhat
[11:12] <helpcrypto> and makefiles for 32 nd 64
[11:12] <helpcrypto> (i like the way osx does, with many architectures on a single binary)
[11:12] <jtaylor> osx has many architectures?
[11:12] <jtaylor> I though they only have one
[11:13] <helpcrypto> nop
[11:13] <helpcrypto> i386, x64, ppc...
[11:13] <jtaylor> btw when everything is multi-arched cross compiling will get a bit easier
[11:13] <jtaylor> although there are still some issues to be resolved
[11:14] <jtaylor> I was under the impression that apple's main advantage is that they onls support one architecture
[11:14]  * jtaylor I never used mac
[11:15] <helpcrypto> my code is cross-platform
[11:15] <helpcrypto> but, for example, packages/libraries are named different  among distros
[11:15] <helpcrypto> so i have to build different packages
[11:20] <helpcrypto> ok
[11:20] <helpcrypto> lot of thx
[11:20] <helpcrypto> cya!
[14:59] <hakermania> Hello, if an application is installing a new mime type, where should the icon(s) of this new mime type be placed? I used /usr/share/icons/oxygen/(XxX)/mimetypes/ for my application and worked but im not sure...
[15:00] <hakermania> and i've asked at #ubuntu-packaging but no answers at all, like they're dead or something :P
[15:35] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week Day 4 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek)
[15:39] <hakermania> Anyway, I found an answer at packaging channel
[15:39] <hakermania> hicolor is the right path
[23:59] <MadCow108> whats the background color of default konsole in ubuntu?
[23:59] <MadCow108> kde konsole, not gnome


[06:28] <mac_v> hi... i was using the ubuntuone ppa since very early > http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/beta/ubuntu  , do i still need the ppa or the official karmic repos is sufficient?
[13:53] <WinterWeaver> hey all... just tried to add my computer via web interface, but got this error: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:56649.
[14:09] <WinterWeaver> anyone here?
[14:16] <WinterWeaver> I get this error when trying to add my computer to my U1 acount: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:56649.
[14:20] <WinterWeaver> ah there we go
[14:21] <WinterWeaver> I think I waited too long before adding the computer
[17:12] <six110> hi all. I did a big mistake: today I created a new launchpad account and I deleted my old account, because I had some troubles with ubuntuone's autentication. But I forgot to delete my computer before delete the old account, and now my pc is synchronizing my old files! How can I delete my pc from my old account?
[17:26] <six110> grazie dell'aiuto
[20:39] <FND> hi - I just started playing with desktopcouch.records
[20:39] <FND> however, I get a 401 for get_records - how would I authenticate
[20:40] <FND> (running Karmic beta)
[21:06] <FND> whois ia
[21:06] <FND> oops...


[02:09] <Kokito> howdy
[09:22] <mauri> my internet connettion with natty is tooooooo slow
[09:22] <mauri> what i should do
[09:27] <mauri> is there anyone that can help me
[14:07] <ScottL> can someone help check some ISO's?  if these aren't checked then we don't release
[14:07] <ScottL> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
[14:08] <ScottL> mainly need help with amd64, i'm working though the i386
[16:11] <holstein> ScottL: i can hopefully do that tomorrow
[16:11] <holstein> maybe even later today
[16:12] <holstein> i'll check in and see who's doing what
[16:12] <holstein> ScottL: im unclear about something from the UI thread thats going on
[16:12] <holstein> Docky doesn't accomplish as much of the "panel replacement" requirements as AWN
[16:12] <holstein> ^
[16:13] <holstein> i feel like we are introducing a new element
[16:13] <holstein> more so than replacing a panel
[16:13] <holstein> since the top panel is staying in place
[16:13] <holstein> and we are adding something to the current UI
[16:13] <holstein> so its not really limited by past functionality
[16:39] <ScottL> holstein, i'm not sure the top panel is really staying in place
[16:40] <ScottL> i agree that having both the top panel and the dock would be doubly redundant
[16:40] <holstein> oh yeah?
[16:40] <holstein> this is a panel replacement?
[16:41] <holstein> i havnet seen that screenshot yet
[16:41] <holstein> with just a dock and no panel
[16:41] <ScottL> cory posted one from imagebin (i think) that just had the dock at the bottom
[16:41] <ScottL> i've been using something similar for a week or so and i'm digging it
[16:41] <holstein> i'll have to search for it
[16:41] <holstein> i was really liking the xubuntu default
[16:42] <holstein> with a transparent panel as a dock
[16:43] <ScottL> holstein, that is certainly an option
[16:44] <ScottL> within the next month we need to solidify the UI layout
[16:44] <ScottL> we seem to be over the hump with the xfce direction
[16:44] <holstein> yeah, im going to keep quiet
[16:44] <ScottL> holstein, nah, say what you want to say, if people don't voice their opinions then no one knows how everyone else feels
[16:45] <holstein> i have, and its cool
[16:45] <ScottL> holstein, which UI thread is that?  i want to mention that we should be making a decision during next month
[16:45] <holstein> again, i know how to get rid of whatever dock
[17:11] <ScottL> holstein, screenshots aside, if you had your choice (forget what is possible or not possible), what would you like the UI to be like?
[17:32] <macinnisrr> ScottL; how's your unity experience been?
[17:41] <ScottL> macinnisrr, ah, i
[17:41] <ScottL> crap he's gone alrady
[17:41] <ScottL> already even
[18:15] <ScottL> holstein, i think i saw the posts you were talking about earlier
[19:04] <holstein> ScottL: sorry i got busy there for a bit
[19:04] <ScottL> no problem, holstein , i thought you were mad at me :P
[19:04] <holstein> hehe
[19:05] <holstein> well, i want to be cleat that i really dont care about the UI
[19:05] <holstein> i can totally fade into the background on that one
[19:05] <holstein> i just dont like docks
[19:07] <ScottL> i'm curious why you don't like docks, don't they more or less function the same as a panel?
[19:07] <holstein> sure
[19:07] <ScottL> do you point quick launch icons on the panel?
[19:07] <holstein> thats another reason why i dont get it
[19:07] <holstein> i mean, theres a panel
[19:07] <holstein> already there
[19:07] <holstein> why add another piece of software?
[19:07] <holstein> and the overhead?
[19:07] <ScottL> hmmm, good point
[19:08] <holstein> but, comparing the XFCE panel and AWN isnt really fair
[19:08] <holstein> way more funcionality
[19:08] <holstein> AND, i feel like its such an OSX look
[19:08] <holstein> which is not bad
[19:09] <holstein> just not my thing
[19:13] <ScottL> especially if we get a "workflow" dock, that would really bring in new functionality :)
[19:16] <holstein> ScottL: i like the idea of the workflows
[19:16] <holstein> and the workflow dock is something unique
[19:16] <holstein> pretty sure i wont use them
[19:16] <holstein> BUT
[19:16] <holstein> i think its awesome and unique
[19:16] <holstein> and a great way for beginners to figure out what to do


[04:03] <FXpro> is there a lubuntu flavor that is security oriented?
[14:55] <allegorical> in power manager, I'm using the following: "When laptop lid is closed: Switch off display". I don't know if it's that but the internet cuts out on re-powering the display it seems... wtf
[14:56] <allegorical> or cuts out at some point
[14:57] <MagikEh_> Possible that it's not just shutting off the display but puts the system to sleep?
[14:58] <allegorical> i have most options set to never... such as system sleep mode 'suspend' when inactive for 'never'
[14:59] <allegorical> also what's the diff. between blank after, put to sleep after, and switch off after. in the display tab
[15:00] <MagikEh> :) Google would probably give a more accurate answer than anything I could conjure up
[15:01] <allegorical> but "When laptop lid is closed: Switch off display" shouldn't cut the internet right? or put the system to sleep (which would cut the internet)
[15:09] <allegorical> oh cool. setting it to "When laptop lid is closed: Lock Screen" didn't lock my screen
[15:30] <diffis> allegorical: If I'm not wrong very much, there is some weird behaviour with power manager. There might be some solutions that you find via some search engine, though.
[15:39] <allegorical> alrighty thanks
[17:08] <WildSoft> Hello, I have some issues with pipelight on Lubuntu. Installation goes through and everything, but pages that requires Microsoft Silverlight still doesn't work. In Firefox under modules is says "application/x-pipelight-error-silverlight5.1 (Error during initialization: pipelighterror-silverlight5.1)"
[17:09] <WildSoft> I followed these directions http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/pipelight-silverlight-alternative-for.html
[17:11] <WildSoft> Running 14.04.3
[17:34] <WildSoft> http://pastebin.com/JWXa8YM3
[17:49] <WildSoft> Finally found an answer that worked https://answers.launchpad.net/pipelight/+question/251075 post #10
[19:39] <OneM_Industries> Hey, I have a lubuntu install that cannot connect to a wifi network. It sees the network, and I can enter the password, but then it starts the scrolling waiting icon and never connects.
[20:19] <WildSoft> OneM_Industries: This is just a guess. But it check and see if it has to do with the kind of security the WiFi uses
[20:44] <OneM_Industries> Already checked, it uses WPA2 AES.
[22:01] <Quantos> I can't seem to get my Logitech A00008 USB Headset to work on LUbuntu 15.10
[22:01] <Quantos> I've run dmesg in term, it recognizes the headset, but there's no output