[20:31] <tlyu> any estimate on when bug 1347147 will have a sponsor for the upload?
[20:31] <ubot5`> bug 1347147 in krb5 (Ubuntu Trusty) "krb5 database operations enter infinite loop" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347147


[07:01] <dholbach> Guten Morgen Berlin! :)
[07:01] <nigelb> Morning dholbach :)
[07:01] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:09] <popey> Morning!
[07:14] <dholbach> hey popey
[07:14] <nigelb> ahoy popey
[07:18] <nigelb> \o/
[07:18] <nigelb> Coworkers all have sweets at their desk.
[07:20] <jussi> mrgh
[07:20] <jussi> where the heck does cups-pdf print to?  :(

[07:24] <popey> ~/PDF
[07:24] <popey> IIRC
[08:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:15] <bkerensa> \o/ Bed Time|
[12:31] <czajkowski> no dmp
[12:31] <czajkowski> dpm
[12:31] <czajkowski> even
[12:32] <Pendulum> czajkowski: possibly he's flying?
[12:33] <czajkowski> possibly so
[13:08] <cjohnston> dholbach: did you get my email last night?
[13:14] <cjohnston> g'mornin jono
[13:16] <czajkowski> jono: ello ello
[13:19] <czajkowski> LoCo Council BP if folks want to track it for the coming cycle : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-lococouncil
[13:19] <czajkowski> 9 teams up for reapproval as oposed to the 26 we had this cycle which means we can spend more time on other areas
[13:21] <jono> hey cjohnston, czajkowski
[13:22] <czajkowski> jono: you still in CA ?
[13:22] <jono> czajkowski, nope, in Orlando
[13:22] <czajkowski> so how cold is it considering I'm looking out at the eye and its over cast
[13:22] <czajkowski> and there is flodding in ireland
[13:22] <cjohnston> its not cold here
[13:23] <cjohnston> jono: I didn't know you were coming this early.
[13:24] <jono> cjohnston, yeah I am here for a bunch of meetings
[13:25] <jono> czajkowski, it is pretty decent here, a little chillier than I expected
[13:25] <czajkowski> grand job
[13:25] <czajkowski> jono: is mrevell in orlando
[13:26] <cjohnston> jono: lunch? or I could talk to Hope.. but maybe have you have you over for dinner, or go out to dinner?
[13:27] <cjohnston> cant do tomorrow tho
[13:28] <jono> czajkowski, nope
[13:28] <jono> cjohnston, I would love to, but I am slammed in meetings all week
[13:28] <jono> unfortunately that includes lunch meetings
[13:28] <cjohnston> ok
[13:28] <cjohnston> lol.. nice
[13:28] <jono> but lets catch up next week fo sho
[13:28] <jono> :-)
[13:29] <czajkowski> a wondered why a lot of cannical folks were already there, it's a mini sprint week right ? or meetings?
[13:30] <mhall119> czajkowski: some teams are sprinting this week
[13:30] <czajkowski> mhall119: nods
[13:30] <czajkowski> no rest for the wicked
[13:30] <czajkowski> :)
[13:30] <mhall119> :)
[13:31] <czajkowski> used to be a tag line for the kit kat add years ago
[13:31] <czajkowski> showing a devil and an angel taking a break
[13:31]  * AlanBell wonders which one czajkowski is
[13:32] <czajkowski> I'm Irish :)
[13:32] <czajkowski> angelic of course
[13:35] <cjohnston> dholbach: do you know what the email address was for originally in the team  info on LoCo Directory? bug #829978 for reference
[13:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 829978 in loco-directory "Email Address is never set / used" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829978
[13:36] <mhall119> cjohnston: team mailing list, perhaps?
[13:36] <mhall119> contact email?
[13:36] <akgraner> cjohnston, ok I'll work on that
[13:37] <cjohnston> mhall119: i think contact.. but it isnt used anywhere.. so that's what I'm trying to figure out
[13:37] <akgraner> and yes I would like there to be a news session which is why I created the BP and asked jcastro what I needed to do to the BP to make sure summit picked it up
[13:38] <mhall119> akgraner: it just needs to be on the uds-p sprint and approved
[13:38] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I'd love it to be the team contact
[13:38] <czajkowski> however some teams create A) a council B) add multiple contacts
[13:39] <cjohnston> czajkowski: I'm almost thinking to make it the ML? that works for contact..
[13:40] <akgraner> mhall119, I know that which is why I asked jcastro about it -
[13:40] <akgraner> I'll get someone to fix it today
[13:40] <czajkowski> cjohnston: hmmm
[13:40] <czajkowski> some Ml are moderated it could sit there
[13:40] <czajkowski> it should be a team contact/team leader imo
[13:40] <cjohnston> akgraner: it looks like there is an UWN one.. friday at 415.. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-news-team-goals
[13:41] <czajkowski> running to the shops need washing up liquid hate having dirty dishes lying around
[13:41] <cjohnston> I think your going to be the one with the power to change the name akgraner
[13:41] <akgraner> cjohnston, yep I can do that
[13:41]  * akgraner looks now
[13:42] <akgraner> cjohnston, I thought I had the names right - grrr - bp kick my ass sometimes oh well...let's see if I can get this figured out :-)
[13:42] <cjohnston> akgraner: you hold the power to the leadership one too
[13:42] <cjohnston> hehe
[13:42] <mhall119> akgraner: are you in Orlando already?
[13:42] <akgraner> mhall119, yep
[13:43] <akgraner> cjohnston, ok names are changed :-)
[13:43] <cjohnston> ty
[13:43] <akgraner> Thanks I did't realize it didn't put the team names in the titles - thank you! :-)
[14:01] <jcastro> cjohnston: yo
[14:02] <jcastro> cjohnston: the banner on top of summit.u.c is now out of date
[14:02] <jcastro> they renamed "social events" to "evening programme" on uds.u.c, but this change isn't reflected on summit.u.c
[14:02] <cjohnston> uggh
[14:03] <cjohnston> jcastro: you kill me
[14:03] <jcastro> don't look at me, I didn't change it
[14:04] <cjohnston> I'll manipulate the db to show that you did
[14:05] <cjohnston> jcastro: change it back. it causes issues with the header.. Register runs into the ubuntu logo
[14:05] <jcastro> well
[14:05] <jcastro> can you just fix the link?
[14:05] <jcastro> I won't care if the names won't match
[14:05] <cjohnston> k
[14:05]  * popey files a bug
[14:05] <cjohnston> who made the change jcastro ?
[14:07] <AlanBell> someone who spells programme correctly, so this side of the atlantic
[14:07] <cjohnston> jcastro: can we remove the tracks page as it is wrong
[14:07] <jcastro> which one?
[14:07] <cjohnston> something has to give... every link cant be in the header
[14:08] <cjohnston> http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/
[14:08] <jcastro> they look right to me
[14:08] <mhall119> cjohnston: +1, there's too much in the main nav
[14:08] <mhall119> either use shorter names, or remove some
[14:08] <mhall119> it's too wide already
[14:11] <cjohnston> jcastro: rename Plenaries to Program, then move Evening Program to that page
[14:14] <mhall119> jcastro: http://awesomescreenshot.com/03cn30q62
[14:35] <cjohnston> mhall119: jcastro changes are coming to uds.ubuntu.com and will soon be followed by summit
[14:35] <mhall119> good changes?
[14:36] <cjohnston> kinda
[14:37] <mhall119> remember, I quit the summit project, so it's all your fault now
[14:37] <cjohnston> it will fix the issue for now
[14:37] <cjohnston> i ordered that you cant quit
[14:37] <mhall119> you can't order me, I've quit
[14:37] <cjohnston> then I quit. jcastro your on your own
[14:37] <popey> You guys.
[14:37] <popey> Get a room.
[14:37] <mhall119> lol
[14:38] <cjohnston> popey: are you coming to Orlando?
[14:38] <popey> Nope.
[14:38] <jcastro> cjohnston: thanks dude! (sorry I am in and out, at a sprint)
[14:38] <cjohnston> boo
[14:38] <mhall119> popey: we have one, Bonaire 3 at 11
[14:38] <cjohnston> lol
[14:38] <cjohnston> true
[14:38] <cjohnston> jcastro: I talked to Michelle
[14:38] <mhall119> though we might need that to change
[14:38] <cjohnston> why
[14:40] <mhall119> I have an ISD meeting that morning, runs until lunch
[14:40] <cjohnston> then you need to fill out your busy schedule
[14:40] <nigelb> mhall119: o/ I'd really love it if summit session is pre-lunch.
[14:41] <nigelb> I'm not sure if I can stay up very late next week.
[14:46] <AlanBell> the roundtables got set up as multiple separate meetings I see
[14:46] <dholbach> cjohnston, no, sorry - no idea about the email
[14:47] <nigelb> Daviey: ping
[14:53] <Daviey> nigelb:
[14:54] <nigelb> Daviey: Hey, do you know how often rescheduler runs? Or do you know if its set to run at all? (who should I ask if not you)
[14:55] <m4n1sh> nigelb: going to UDS this time?
[14:55] <nigelb> m4n1sh: Nope
[14:55] <nigelb> You?
[14:55] <m4n1sh> nope
[14:55] <m4n1sh> cant
[14:55] <m4n1sh> neither next year may
[14:56] <m4n1sh> only next year oct possible
[14:56] <nigelb> why?
[14:56] <m4n1sh> this time i dnt have leaves
[14:56] <m4n1sh> and next year I am trying to resign during may end
[14:56] <m4n1sh> switch job or go for higher education
[14:57] <nigelb> ah
[14:58] <AlanBell> anyone know if IS are planning to do recordings of the icecast streams this time?
[15:00] <akgraner> alourie,  - here's my post - hope this helps - You Matter – 1st Annual Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day - http://akgraner.com/?p=1110 #ubuntu #canonical #locoteams #Gratitude
[15:00] <akgraner> jcastro, I talk about you in this one :-)
[15:01] <nigelb> AlanBell: Talk to tumbleweed.
[15:01] <popey> AlanBell: apparently they are being recorded
[15:01] <nigelb> I think he does it all the time.
[15:01] <popey> but they may not do anything useful with them
[15:02] <Daviey> nigelb: 23,53 * * * * cd /srv/summit.ubuntu.com/summit && python manage.py autoschedule uds-p
[15:02] <nigelb> Daviey: UTC?
[15:03] <nigelb> Daviey: Thanks! :)
[15:03] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^
[15:03] <AlanBell> yeah, the tumbleweed recordings are *really* useful. http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/
[15:03] <Daviey> nigelb: seriosuly, did you just ask if that was UTC?
[15:03] <nigelb> Daviey: lol, just checking :P
[15:03] <nigelb> Daviey: (sory!)
[15:03] <AlanBell> there is a recording field on the meeting object, I think if that is set then it gets rendered on the notes page
[15:03] <nigelb> *sorry
[15:05] <AlanBell> oh, then again, maybe that field has been removed
[15:06] <AlanBell> there is an icecast URL on the room object
[15:07] <Daviey> erm, i don't thik there is a recording field
[15:07] <Daviey> yeah, it's a room value
[15:07] <AlanBell> I may have been confuseled
[15:09] <cjohnston> jcastro: uds.u.c has been fixed.. and im working on summit
[15:09] <cjohnston> mhall119: ^
[15:10] <AlanBell> would be rather awesome if someone would set the room icecast URLs this time
[15:10] <AlanBell> it makes the room names on the daily schedule links to the icecast audio
[15:12] <nigelb> AlanBell: I think we can manage that this time.
[15:12] <nigelb> I'll hound someone to do it :D
[15:15] <AlanBell> I will ask tumbleweed about the audio, it is fully deterministic URLs so I should be abvle to propose a patch so that the session notes include links to the .ogg files
[15:26] <AlanBell> what do the summit devs who have not quit think of that?
[15:26] <cjohnston> I think thats just nigelb
[15:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: patches welcome :)
[15:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: where did the social events go?
[15:35] <cjohnston> Programme
[15:36] <cjohnston> its the entire program
[15:36] <mhall119> cjohnston: can we break it up into separate sub-nav pages?
[15:36] <mhall119> it's nice to link directly to social events
[15:36] <mhall119> in fact, I've been doing that, and now all of those links won't work :(
[15:36] <cjohnston> not my call
[15:37] <cjohnston> where have you been doing that
[15:37] <mhall119> in IRC, whenever anybody asks
[15:37] <cjohnston> ahh
[15:38] <cjohnston> i can ask if she will seperate the pages
[15:38] <mhall119> I think it's been in an email to uds-announce
[15:38] <cjohnston> mhall119: they had renamed it to 'Evening Programme'
[15:38] <cjohnston> so it was already broken
[15:38] <mhall119> only if that changed teh URL
[15:38] <cjohnston> it did
[15:38] <mhall119> :(
[15:39] <cjohnston> how would you like to see it?
[15:39] <cjohnston> and i can make a request
[15:39] <mhall119> either separate sub-nav pages, or put an anchor into this page so I can link directly to the secion on evening events
[15:42] <cjohnston> http://uds.ubuntu.com/programme/#evening
[15:43] <cjohnston> more better?
[15:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: yes, thanks
[15:56] <cjohnston> jcastro: we need to talk about the leadership summit and making it to where the schedulers wont mess up peoples schedules so that they can attend
[15:56] <ejat> +1
[16:01] <alourie> akgraner: absolutely, thanks
[16:38] <cprofitt> cjohnston: +1
[16:53] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:53] <dholbach> HUGS
[16:53] <cjohnston> o/
[16:54] <cprofitt> see ya dholbach
[16:54] <dholbach> bye :)
[16:55] <cprofitt> Cool,... bdmurray just added some items to the blueprint I proposed for UDS and it got approved.
[16:55] <cprofitt> woot!
[16:55] <cjohnston> link
[16:56] <cprofitt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement
[16:56] <dholbach> nice, I love the comments on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-2/#disqus_thread
[16:57] <cprofitt> dholbach: yes, those are great quotes
[17:22] <cprofitt> in a blueprint -- what does the assignee mean?
[17:24] <cprofitt> never mind found the help.
[17:35] <cprofitt> hmm... not finding it in the help file.
[17:35] <cprofitt> So if a person is an asignee; what does that mean?
[17:38] <Pendulum> cprofitt: they're responsible for making sure the stuff on the blueprint gets done (whether it's doing it themselves or checking up to make sure the people assigned to the smaller tasks are on track
[17:38] <Pendulum> )
[17:44] <nigelb> cprofitt: Most often its a team :)
[17:53] <cprofitt> thanks Pendulum
[17:53] <cprofitt> that is what I thought, but wanted to make sure
[18:04] <cprofitt> thanks as well nigelb
[18:05] <nigelb> cprofitt: np :)
[18:59] <bkerensa> jono: Kaltura offers a Community Edition of their video platform which supports live streaming out of the box and is open source... It also allows for real-time chat.... Perhaps you could use Kaltura instead of  Ustream if you decided to move? It would be cool if the Ubuntu Community had a Kaltura Platform server
[20:30] <AlanBell> that looks rather smart bkerensa
[20:31] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Indeed... It would be win win for jono... no more ads for users and supporting FOSS
[20:31] <bkerensa> would be good for the all teams to have a resource like this possibly hosted by Canonical to do webinars and Q+A's
[20:32]  * bkerensa downloaded the Community Edition last night and is checking it out
[21:29] <akgraner> bkerensa, I'd like to know how it works for you...
[22:13] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:17] <cprofitt> aloha
[22:17] <cprofitt> back feeling ok today?
[22:17] <czajkowski> ah tis gerand i just deal with it tbh
[22:29]  * AlanBell looks with interest at the former members of not-canonical https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical/+members~
[22:30] <AlanBell> link fail, should be https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical/+members
[22:40] <greg-g> AlanBell: I don't see any former member :/
[22:55]  * AlanBell polishes greg-g's glasses
[22:56] <Pendulum> greg-g: you'd have to have been aware the person was a member and now not on the list
[22:57] <AlanBell> or scroll down the bottom
[22:58] <Pendulum> AlanBell: doesn't show
[22:58] <Pendulum> I think because you're admin you can see it
[22:59] <AlanBell> oh
[23:00] <akgraner> OMG! Ubuntu!: The Interview! - http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/OMG!-Ubuntu!-The-Interview
[23:00] <akgraner> Thought I'd share :-)
[23:08] <AlanBell> very interesting akgraner
[23:09] <akgraner> I thought it was :-)


[02:36] <xu-irc32w> when i select usb in the boot settings it runs gnu grub why?
[05:32] <Dave_l> Hello everyone, I need help
[05:32] <Dave_l> I want to reinstall xubuntu but don't want to loose any data.
[05:32] <Dave_l> Could anyone help me
[05:37] <Dave_l> sad
[19:11] <xubuntu27i> pew pew, installing xubuntu. joining the live chat. hi there.


[14:52] <BluesKaj> helpers hangout eh ?
[15:30] <Pici> yah
[15:30] <Pici> bye
[15:42]  * genii makes more coffee
[16:34] <BluesKaj> not much action here :P
[16:37]  * jussi01 waves
[16:53] <BluesKaj> hi jussi01 :)
[16:54]  * jussi01 nods tiredly
[18:20] <jcordeiro> hi there
[18:20] <jcordeiro> i have an "hardware detection" question
[18:20] <jcordeiro> is this the right place to ask?
[18:21] <ZykoticK9> jcordeiro, ask in regular #ubuntu
[18:21] <jcordeiro> tnx
[19:58] <Pershian007> hi


[10:58] <cpaelzer> hi, I was wondering to land a lib and a dependent together what the right steps are
[10:59] <cpaelzer> in my case the lib is a sync from Debian and the dependent package would be a no-change rebuild to pick up the change
[10:59] <cpaelzer> I know bileto can be used for such transitions, but I was wondereing if syncpackage ... --no-lp and then into bileto ppa would be ok given the amount of warnings about --no-lp in man syncpackage
[11:03] <rbasak> cpaelzer: to copy straight into a PPA, you can use copypackage instead, from ubuntu-archive-tools.
[11:03] <Odd_Bloke> If a core dev has a minute to review https://code.launchpad.net/~tribaal/livecd-rootfs/fix-ova-manifest/+merge/314682 it would be much appreciated.
[11:03] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I've never used copypackage to source from Debian, but I presume that's possible.
[11:04] <rbasak> cpaelzer: you don't need to use bileto though unless you want to. It's fine to syncpackage, and then upload a no-change rebuild for the dependent once the sync has built. It'll be stuck in proposed until it's all done, but that's the point of proposed so it's fine.
[11:04] <Odd_Bloke> (There's also https://code.launchpad.net/~tribaal/livecd-rootfs/fix-ubuntu-ovf-attributes/+merge/314702 but the diff there is a bit chunkier.)
[11:04] <Tribaal> not *much* chunkier though :)
[11:05] <rbasak> cpaelzer: no point in uploading the no-change rebuild early though - it'll rebuild without the update, so that's pointless. Have to wait until the synced package is built and the binary published.
[11:05] <Tribaal> thanks Odd_Bloke
[11:05] <rbasak> cpaelzer: it's copy-package, sorry.
[11:09] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks
[11:11] <tumbleweed> `/win 35
[11:11] <cpaelzer> rbasak: and I just see - other than with dput these days for syncpackage you still have to call it $release-proposed instead of just the release name right?
[11:12] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I'm not sure. Doing so would do no harm. But why would you use copypackage to copy into a -proposed pocket in this case?
[11:16] <cpaelzer> rbasak: no syncpackage
[11:16] <cpaelzer> rbasak: like "syncpackage --release=zesty-proposed --debian-version=16.11-1 --bug=1539775 --force --verbose dpdk"
[11:21] <cpaelzer> tumbleweed: http://hpoussineau.free.fr/qemu/arc20081202-nt350-4.png that is :-)
[11:21] <rbasak> Ah.
[11:21] <rbasak> I believe zesty-proposed is implied.
[11:22] <rbasak> I've never used --release
[11:22] <cpaelzer> I think current-release is the default according to the doc
[11:22] <Laney> Yes, and it'll take the latest available version by default too
[11:22] <cpaelzer> let check if it implies -proposed, because with --release=zesty it told me that I don't have permissions to do so
[11:25] <cpaelzer> thanks everone, worked as it should now
[11:25] <rbasak> I'm pretty sure it must imply -proposed, because it's succeeded and done the right thing for me in the past.
[11:26] <tumbleweed> cpaelzer: :P
[12:54] <cpaelzer> rbasak: dpdk sync worked just fine and I waited till the build said pblished in proposed >30 minutes ago. Yet the subsequent rebuild of openvswitch still pulled in the older version :-/
[12:55] <rbasak> cpaelzer: are you sure it was the binaries that were published rather than just the source?
[12:55] <cpaelzer> rbasak: the solution is easy - upload another no-change, but I really want to avoid proliferating the numbers due to that - what is the hard check to go for if it is ready to pull the new package version
[12:55] <cpaelzer> hmm checking
[12:56] <rbasak> cpaelzer: the binaries aren't published - they're held in NEW.
[12:57] <cpaelzer> harr, that got me - thanks for helping me to find the reason
[12:57] <cpaelzer> yes it has a few new packages as the dpdk zoo of sublibraries grew
[12:58] <rbasak> cpaelzer: you're welcome. On https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk/16.11-1, it says "(New)" against the builds. IIRC it also tells you there when they are pending publication, but I'm not sure.
[12:58] <cpaelzer> rbasak: it does tell me there, I was wrongly checking published and build on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk/16.11-1
[12:59] <cpaelzer> but that only was source + build as you assumed
[12:59] <cpaelzer> I can't see binary publsihed (or not) on that page
[13:00] <cpaelzer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk when you flip open the release thing tells me pending publication
[13:01] <cpaelzer> well you can see it - by not seing anything - under the binaries list on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk/16.11-1
[13:02] <cpaelzer> That said the pending publication down there could be useful
[13:02] <cpaelzer> I might file an LP bug for that
[13:11] <cpaelzer> ok, I have abug for it now
[13:11] <cpaelzer> thanks rbasak to help my finding my misassumption
[13:27] <coreycb> infinity: hi, any chance you could upload 0.158 of ubuntu-dev-tools to debian?
[16:05] <Saviq> wgrant, hey, is there a bug# for the arm64 builders kernel issue? I'm afraid we're encountering the same in our CI, trying to enable arm64 there...
[16:37] <doko> tjaalton: when do you plan to build mesa with llvm 3.9 in the stable releases?
[16:41] <tjaalton> doko: only mesa 13 backport will
[16:41] <tjaalton> not the currently SRU'd 12.0.x
[16:42] <tjaalton> because there were some issues with it, though it was easy to get it build with 3.9
[16:42] <tjaalton> mesa 13 is the first one that properly supports 3.9
[17:12] <tjaalton> should requestbackport work on xenial?
[17:12] <tjaalton> lazr.restfulclient.errors.BadRequest: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request
[17:26] <dmj_s76> jbicha: So I want to fix a number of bugs by adding hidpi support to Humanity.  Should I branch from lp:humanity or lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release ?
[17:29] <dmj_s76> I'm assuming the latter since that's where commits have been lately.
[17:47] <dobey> i almost never say that anything needs "hidpi" support, but man, does the steam overlay stuff seriously need some improvement there
[18:06] <dmj_s76> dobey: hmm...details?
[18:12] <dobey> dmj_s76: i mean i like small icons/text normally. but when playing games at 4K and then i open the steam overlay, everything is even tinier than it normally is in the steam client. the notifications for achievements are especially annoying, because they're super tiny and stuck hard to the far upper right corner. those would be much better if they ended up like standard notifications in ubuntu
[18:13] <dmj_s76> dobey: Maybe this needs reporting to Valve.
[18:13] <dobey> probably yeah
[18:14] <dobey> i know you can't do anything about it. was just trolling a bit because everyone thinks my normal font size is tiny
[18:14] <dmj_s76> In this case Humanity icons not supporting @2x is a problem, causing the wrong icons to be shown and graphical bugs in Ubiquity.
[18:15] <dobey> @2x?
[18:15] <udevbot> Error: "2x?" is not a valid command.
[18:15] <dobey> err, thanks bot
[18:16] <dobey> i thought that was an apple thing
[18:17] <dmj_s76> How you signal GTK, etc to use the normal icon and scale up rather than picking the bigger one (which can be the wrong metaphor) eg, "scale up the 24 px icon, not use the 48px icon"
[18:18] <dmj_s76> It's a Linux thing too.
[18:19] <dobey> i know gtk+ has that scaling thing; i didn't realize it was doing dumb things with icons like appending @2x to the size
[18:20] <dmj_s76> well, you basically just need @2x symlinks to the correct folders
[18:20] <dmj_s76> and an update to the index.theme
[19:51] <jackpot51> Is there a maintainer for the wpa source package?
[19:51] <jackpot51> It just says "Ubuntu Developers"
[19:53] <sarnold> jackpot51: the changelog lists a wide variety of folks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+changelog
[19:55] <jackpot51> That is unfortunate. pitti: Since you did a change for the wpa_supplicant.service, would you talk to me about my changes?
[19:56] <sarnold> pitti's moved to another employer in the meantime, it might be a while before he has time to review something not for new work
[19:56] <rbasak> jackpot51: all packages in Ubuntu are team maintained. There are no individual maintainers.
[19:57] <rbasak> jackpot51: if you need to talk to people about a proposed change, then you can do it here, on the mailing list, or in a bug. And any person (subject to appropriate permissions on that package) can upload any change.
[19:57] <jackpot51> the problem is that systemctl isolate kills wpa_supplicant.service
[19:58] <jackpot51> This is easily seen where it is used in the OEM installer - wifi connections are lost after oem-config finishes
[19:58] <sarnold> isn't that the intention of isolate?
[19:59] <jackpot51> systemctl isolate graphical.target is used
[19:59] <jackpot51> graphical.target should depend on wpa_supplicant.service
[19:59] <jackpot51> ethernet connections are not lost due to network manager not being killed
[19:59] <jackpot51> wifi is lost due to wpa_supplicant being killed
[20:01] <jackpot51> related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1576024
[20:01] <rbasak> How does network manager avoid getting killed?
[20:01] <tsimonq2> *sits in*
[20:02] <tsimonq2> Had that bug before
[20:02] <tsimonq2> (didn't know it wasn't hardware-specific)
[20:02] <jackpot51> it is not hardware specific - system76 and dell laptops experience it on first boot
[20:02] <jackpot51> switching cards does not solve the issue
[20:03] <rbasak> jackpot51: it sounds like you've done a great job pinning down the root cause. Thanks! If nothing else, please could you write that up in the bug?
[20:03] <sarnold> jackpot51: nice :D
[20:03] <jackpot51> will do
[20:04] <rbasak> jackpot51: as for the correct fix, should it be done the same way that network manager avoids getting killed? How is that, and doesn't network manager spawn wpasupplicant as a child, or is it really using a separate systemd service?
[20:04] <sarnold> maybe NM systemd unit file needs adjusting to require wpa_supplicant..
[20:04] <jackpot51> it is a seperate service - as a side note, bluetoothd has the same issue
[20:04] <wgrant> Saviq: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-54822
[20:05] <jackpot51> I fixed it the "wrong" way by adding IgnoreOnIsolate=true to [Unit] in wpa_supplicant.service
[20:05] <rbasak> jackpot51: and it'd be nice to have the relevant Debian maintainer's agreement if possible before fixing it in Ubuntu, so we can do it the same way and get additional review
[20:05] <rbasak> Assuming the same bug exists in Debian and that they want to use graphical.target in the same way.
[20:07] <rbasak> If urgent, we can always fix first of course. I'm just not confident enough in this area to confirm any fix is correct.
[20:08] <jackpot51> My fix would mean that going to a non-networking target would not kill wpa_supplicant
[20:08] <jackpot51> I don't think that happens in the real world often though
[20:13] <jackpot51> here is the most upstream service file: https://w1.fi/cgit/hostap/tree/wpa_supplicant/systemd/wpa_supplicant.service.in
[20:13] <sarnold> and does NM depend upon it properly?
[20:14] <jackpot51> I am not sure: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/tree/data/NetworkManager.service.in
[20:14] <jackpot51> It isn't in the upstream service file
[20:26] <jackpot51> by the way, it is possible to trigger the bug running on your own system. All you have to do is run `sudo systemctl isolate default.target` while connected to WiFi


[05:51] <shtylman> Riddell: yea...im gonna be looking at it later today
[07:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/PlasmaDestkopScripting#Misc._Global_Properties_and_Functions
[07:17] <apachelogger> boolean hasBattery: whether or not the system has the ability to run on battery power, e.g. a laptop or mobile device
[07:17] <apachelogger> it always annoyed me that my workstation did have the battery plasmoid added ;)
[07:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: why does the upgrade script interfere with that?
[07:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I only changed the init script to *not* add the plasmoid to the tray, but since the upgrade script gets executed right after the init script it would added the battery plasmiod nonetheless
[07:20] <apachelogger> which was easy enough to work around by making the upgrade script check for hasBattery as well
[07:21] <apachelogger> but I imagine this can cause quite some headache in larger scripts
[07:21] <apachelogger> gotta talk to aseigo about that
[07:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, we cannot add currently set foldeview to show desktop:/ because it does not have a configChanged() interface (which is what would be called by widget.reloadConfig()), I already poked fredrikh about it and he said that he's going to fix that
[07:24] <apachelogger> otherwise we can easy enough patch a configChanged() in that only takes the url into account
[07:25] <Riddell> ooh cool, nice fix
[07:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: reloadConfig()? according to the documentation it gets done once the script exits anyway :)
[07:26] <apachelogger> (that of course implies there is a configChanged() interface ;))
[07:28] <Riddell> aye, I had to get aseigo to add that to get the init script working at all
[07:28] <apachelogger> *nod*
[07:35] <markey> http://linuxexperimentation.blogspot.com/2010/02/kubuntu-lucid-review.html
[07:35] <markey> ^ you will love this
[07:35] <markey> :)
[07:35] <markey> "This level of perfection reflects on how good the final release version is going be. I would recommend Kubuntu Lucid to any serious KDE user instead of the current stable Karmic.
[07:36] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:36] <apachelogger> now that indeed is madness
[07:36] <markey> is it?
[07:36]  * markey hasn't tried Lucid
[07:36] <markey> tbh, I plan to migrate to Chakra
[07:36] <markey> the UDev thing is killing me
[07:37] <markey> and the whole Ubuntu nonsense too
[07:38] <apachelogger> "Kdm login to fully loaded desktop, 19 secs"
[07:38] <apachelogger> that is insanity
[07:38]  * apachelogger never noticed it takes that loong
[07:42] <Riddell> I timed about 45 seconds grub to desktop
[07:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should also get started with that bootcharting business?
[07:46]  * apachelogger thinks it shouldnt take longer than 20 or 25 seconds to get to once desktop :/
[07:47]  * apachelogger also thinks that we need bash autocompletion for cmake ... that cmake_install_prefix option is way too long ^^
[08:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: it sure doesn't take that long on Karmic
[08:53] <apachelogger> Mamarok: your machine boots in less than 20?
[08:53] <apachelogger> do you have ssd or something?
[08:56] <Mamarok> no, but it sure boots in 10 from KDM to destop
[08:56] <Mamarok> didn't check from grup to desktop
[08:57] <apachelogger> well, it depends on the hardware
[09:29] <apachelogger> something tells me my system is using iso instead of utf8
[09:29] <apachelogger> oh
[09:29] <apachelogger> locale is C :D
[09:29] <apachelogger> that explains a lot
[09:30] <apachelogger> silly ubiquity didnt install properly
[09:59] <apachelogger> bah
[10:19] <apachelogger> Riddell, Tonio_: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/packagekit/kubuntu-upgrade-support/+merge/19807 if someone could please merge :)
[12:03] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/drkonqi-installdbgsymbols.ogv
[12:19] <glatzor> apachelogger, why did you add the fix_progress_crash.patch to PackageKit?
[12:19] <glatzor> apachelogger, there is already a self._backend._cache.has_key(pkg_name) check in the next line
[12:24] <apachelogger> glatzor: jontheechdina did, I just synced what is in the archive
[13:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i get these errors on a upload : http://pastebin.ca/1804583 : so i googled around and found that i need to get my gpg key signed
[13:07] <shadeslayer> so can someone sign them?
[13:09] <a|wen> shadeslayer: looks like you need to sign your own signature (self-sign it)
[13:11] <shadeslayer> a|wen: how?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> a|wen: i had to reinstall kubuntu but saved my keys and later imported them
[13:11] <shadeslayer> i have this problem since then
[13:12] <a|wen> shadeslayer: use "gpg --edit-key" on the key id and then mark it as trusted using "trust" ... i think that should be enough
[13:13] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:17] <shadeslayer> a|wen: thanks :)
[13:17] <a|wen> yw :)
[13:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ping
[13:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I tested your merge proposal seems fine
[14:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: cool please merge then :)
[14:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: read pv please :)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw i hope the naming is correct now : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages
[14:05] <shadeslayer> for the rekonq packages that is
[14:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: merged :)
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> glatzor: I added the patch back because the issue re-appeared without it
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> and it has stopped the stream of dupes, so I am assuming that the patch indeed re-fixed it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> wow...this is new... chromium downloading via the KDE download manager :o
[14:41] <shadeslayer> http://imagebin.ca/view/mH2I9jF.html
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: using the daily ppa?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah
[14:45]  * JontheEchidna updates
[14:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: it even used the kde window for asking where to save
[14:45] <shadeslayer> and not the ugly gnome one :D
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[14:45] <shadeslayer> yeah i was blown away :P
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> chromium for default browzar!1!
[14:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehe :D
[14:46] <shadeslayer> i vote rekonq :P
[14:46] <persia> You'd want to be testing the browsers *in* the archive, now that we've passed feature freeze, if you wantt o change the default :)
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: your irssi backlog is the same as mine :x
[14:50] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: :P
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm, no luck here :(
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> boring ol' gtk dialog
[14:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hmm.. weird.. i did uninstall some gnome packages related to ubuntuone gnome client earlier,maybe thats why?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw for a new package who should be the maintainer?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: just for my PPA too?
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> oh, there it doesn't really matter
[14:52] <shadeslayer> and the XSBC orig. maintaier?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> *maintainer
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> that'd be you
[14:53] <shadeslayer> grrr... it was a glitch...
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nope
[14:53] <shadeslayer> yeah... i tried it again... didnt work
[14:54] <apachelogger> technically it should be 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu0~ppa1
[14:54] <shadeslayer> idk why though
[14:54] <apachelogger> and 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu0~karmic0~ppa1 for karmic
[14:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its the same for lucid
[14:55] <shadeslayer> 0.3.90+git20100221-0ubuntu1~ppa0
[14:55] <shadeslayer> oh 0ubuntu0...
[14:56]  * persia recommends just setting oneself as "Maintainer" for PPA uploads.
[14:57] <shadeslayer> btw '>>' should work in the control file right?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> like : libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2)
[14:58] <apachelogger> yes
[14:59] <shadeslayer> and the changelog should read initial release right?
[15:00] <apachelogger> yup
[15:00] <apachelogger> doesnt really matter for ppa though :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: regarding the watch file,how does one make the link?
[15:01] <apachelogger> I do hate new kmail setups -.-
[15:01] <apachelogger> nothing but trouble
[15:01] <shadeslayer> like fo rekonq its : http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not quite understand the question
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres a line in the watch file,how do i write that line?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> its a new package...
[15:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: google ubuntu manpages uscan
[15:02] <kubotu> Results for ubuntu manpages uscan: 1. #364116 - [uscan] please add --force-download to download tarball ...: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364116 | 2. Linux Programmer's Guide Man Pages - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8960 | 3. Ubuntu Manpage: dh-make-pecl - Create debian source packages from ...: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/dh-make-pecl.1.html
[15:02] <apachelogger> oh
[15:02] <apachelogger> stupid google :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man1/uscan.1.html
[15:06] <a|wen> wohoo! digikam + kipi-plugins is nice :D
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i just replace rekonq with the project name,will it work?
[15:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: again I do not understand the question
[15:09] <shadeslayer> for eg in the line
[15:09] <shadeslayer> http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:09] <shadeslayer> i replace rekonq with recorditnow
[15:09] <shadeslayer>  http://sf.net/rekonq/rekonq-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:09] <shadeslayer> argh
[15:09] <shadeslayer> http://sf.net/recorditnow/recorditnow-([\d.]*)\.tar\.bz2
[15:10] <apachelogger> well
[15:10] <apachelogger> yes
[15:10] <apachelogger> if the tarball is called like that
[15:10] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:10] <apachelogger> otherwise you will have to make the regex fit as well
[15:11] <shadeslayer> ([\d.]*) corresponds to version no. right? like 0.7
[15:14] <persia> [\d.]* matches anything at all.
[15:14] <persia> [\d\.]* matches any combination of digits and '.'s.
[15:14] <apachelogger> it corresponds to any string that repeats any number of times either a digit or a period
[15:14] <persia> [\d\.]+ is recommended for use in watch files for version numbers.
[15:14] <apachelogger> persia: inside [] you do not need to escape .
[15:15] <persia> apachelogger: In perl you do, and that's parsed in perl.
[15:15] <persia> POSIX regexes work the way you describe.
[15:15] <apachelogger> are you sure it is parsed as perl regex?
[15:15] <apachelogger> jsut because it is parsed in perl does not mean it gets parsed as perl regex :P
[15:15] <persia> Yes.
[15:15] <apachelogger> ok
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in that case go read perl regex documentation ;)
[15:16] <persia> man uscan | grep perl :)
[15:16] <persia> (man perlre)
[15:16] <persia> But really, [\d\.]+ is the good version string.
[15:17] <shadeslayer> persia: no man page for perlre
[15:17] <apachelogger> !man
[15:17] <apachelogger> !man perlre
[15:17] <apachelogger> tsimpson: ^
[15:17] <apachelogger> feature request
[15:17] <persia> shadeslayer: use manpages.ubuntu.com or install perl-doc
[15:17] <apachelogger> :)
[15:18] <persia> tsimpson: It could just link to manpages.ubuntu.com, so easy to implement :)
[15:18] <apachelogger> yep, that is what I expect it to do
[15:18] <shadeslayer> persia: ok :)
[15:19]  * apachelogger goes killing unk
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> hmm, are we in main freeze? alpha3 is scheduled for the 25th
[15:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: soft freeze from tue to thu
[15:21] <shadeslayer> oh btw for the initial release do i need some special dch command?
[15:21] <tsimpson> patches are welcome :)
[15:21] <apachelogger> tsimpson: go use a bot implemented in a sensible language
[15:22] <apachelogger> like ecmascript
[15:22]  * shadeslayer guesses dch --create
[15:22] <tsimpson> apachelogger: feel free to port the existing plugins and I'll gladly ditch supy-hell
[15:23] <tsimpson> I'm working on the channel management stuff right now, so I won't get to the manpage stuff for a while
[15:23] <tsimpson> and I have jury service in march, so...
[15:23] <apachelogger> sounds like fun Oo
[15:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you think we should make unk a transitional package to knh?
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> that would help people who said "no" to update-manager's old-package-removal not have 2 notifiers
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> I'm all for it
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: update-notifier-kde has a higher version than k-n-h
[15:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how so?
[15:28] <apachelogger> oh
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> 9.10ubuntu2 vs 0.4.90
[15:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would change knh's scheme
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> perhaps k-n-h should adopt u-n-k's version scheme
[15:28] <apachelogger> I think I migrated everything to the scheme used by unk
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I'll do that now
[15:29] <apachelogger> not that we have all that much to migrate ;)
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I'll add the transitional package while I'm at it
[15:32] <apachelogger> cool, thx
[15:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, is aptcc usable?
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah. works fairly well
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> all it lacks is install-from-file and distro-upgrade
[15:37] <apachelogger> well, distro-upgrade could be archived via the helper script we used for adept
[15:37] <apachelogger> though I think CPython would be better
[15:38]  * apachelogger wants to note that last time he wanted to use CPython he got all scared away by its uglyness :P
[15:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: killed all kopete-facebook bugs
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> nice
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we dont need it anymore :)
[15:39] <apachelogger> that is why I killed all bugs :P
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe... :D
[15:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one pacakge i backported and it became redundant :'(
[15:40] <apachelogger> well, there are worse things in live ^^
[15:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:04] <apachelogger> something tells me that some part of our insanely space saving packaging is causing ksplashx to not refresh its cache
[16:04] <apachelogger> and something tells me that I hate the freaking touchpad here
[16:05] <apachelogger> and I am wondering where one would send a bash autocompletion script to
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: cache refreshing woes were happening before the space-saving
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got autocompletion for kcmshell4 :D
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> tab completion fore kcmshell4 arguments??
[16:05] <apachelogger> aye
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> sweet
[16:06] <apachelogger> aaaaah
[16:06] <apachelogger> why cant I turn on that the touchpad gets disabled when typing -.-
[16:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kcm-touchpad doesnt like me :(((((
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> :(
[16:09] <apachelogger> omg
[16:09] <apachelogger> it is not even supposed to work!
[16:09] <apachelogger> holy smokes
[16:10]  * apachelogger turns off the touchpad
[16:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: now i get what you meant by killing kopete-fb bugs...
[16:11] <shadeslayer> i thought you meant you killed the bugs in the source :P
[16:20] <apachelogger> bug 491353 looks strange
[16:26] <apachelogger> Tonio__: is that ntfs fdi even necessary anymore?
[16:26] <apachelogger> ntfs-3g seems to ship with it's own fdi nowadays
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> bug 525367
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> any reason why it shouldn't?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> btw anyone using ktorrent svn?
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> If 4.0 gets released before UI freeze I'm filing a feature freeze exception, but I've not actually used it yet.
[16:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: +1 we *need* multiple tracker to be available :)
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> <3 magnet links
[16:58] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and i test ktorrent svn out.... and apart from the UI everything has changed :P
[16:59] <shadeslayer> brb
[17:04] <Tonio__> apachelogger: yep, I think it shouldn't be necessary anymore
[17:05] <Tonio__> apachelogger: maybe we should clean kds on that point
[17:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ntfs 3G it always shipped with with it's own fdi, but kde3 ignored them
[17:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: with kde4, that should work out of the box
[17:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: kds is clean :P
[17:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: do you remember a specific case where it did not work?
[17:13] <Tonio_> hum, can't remember no
[17:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: which ntfs-3g are you talking about, if kds is now clean ?
[17:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I may not get your point :)
[17:17] <apachelogger> Tonio_: it is clean besides that fdi file :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> i did not dare removing it earlier because I did not know a specific use case to test regressions against
[17:25] <sithlord48> i created a service menu how do i go about getting it in the repos ?
[17:25] <apachelogger> create a package around the service menu
[17:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well.... it doesn't arm atany point
[17:27] <sithlord48> and how do i create the package (i.e what tools do i need) its only a desktop files and will be dependent on okteta
[17:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: maybe we shouldn't touch this right now and remove it for lucid+1 no ?
[17:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: or remove it and test btw... afaik it should work, so you decide what's best
[17:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I would go for remove and test
[17:28] <apachelogger> but first we need a list of test cases to ask people to test against
[17:29] <apachelogger> like a) internal partition b) thumbdrive c) firewire
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> I can't mount ntfs drives as it is
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'm not at home so I have nothing reliable to test except from a usb key :)
[17:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll be back home in a week
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/IpZJi1fq.html
[17:29]  * apachelogger aint got no ntfs drive at all :D
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> didn't we have a patch to ask for the pass on ntfs drives?
[17:30] <apachelogger> possibly
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> seems we still do, but it ain't doing much
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> this seems to break every other release
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh well, you know my point on patches :P
[18:20] <crimsun> apachelogger: #454287 is not a bug; the driver cannot add support for it where the underlying hw doesn't exist. You may have implied as such in your comment; it's difficult to interpret.
[18:20] <crimsun> (LP #454287, that is)
[18:30] <shtylman> Riddell: if you know someone with an Eee feel free to ask them to try the latest installer (not packaged yet) ... I just committed some fixes that should make it better on the smaller screen
[18:34] <EagleScreen> my sister has one EeePc
[18:35] <EagleScreen> if some day comes here with it i will test
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: have you packaged Qt 4.6.2 yet?
[20:32] <Lex79> no, I need sandsmark patch
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I have a patch I'd like to backport from 4.6.3
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/staging/commit/059be19781a22d2e41f22072152589857d0fabf9
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: debian is going to switch back to kdesupport phonon, can we do the same?
[20:34] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm ready for that, but we need an official decision :)
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: they already did so in git: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=summary
[20:35] <Lex79> I know, I already merge in my compy :)
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> could you add the patch I linked to too, please?
[20:36] <Lex79> ok
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> fixes a very annoying bug in k3bg
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> *k3b
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> thanks :)
[20:40] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: btw Phonon now is in gitorious http://gitorious.org/phonon
[20:40] <Lex79> they will drop from kdesupport
[20:41] <Lex79> just for your curiosity :)
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> ya, I've been keeping an eye on it
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> hopefully that will make it more likely to have stable releases before new KDE versions :s
[20:42] <Lex79> :)
[22:00] <apachelogger> crimsun: oh well, I thought it might be doable at software level too (after all to me it only apears as using a tee from in to out and software)
[22:01] <apachelogger> but if it is hardware dependent it is all the same to me, as long as the bug does not clot poor old kdemultimedias bug list ;)
[22:02] <crimsun> apachelogger: heh :-)
[22:10] <fale> hi
[22:10] <fale> I was looking into kubuntu-meta
[22:10] <fale> and I've seen that it depends from hal
[22:11] <fale> (the lucid one, I'm looking into)
[22:11] <fale> lucid wasn't planned to be hal free?
[22:43] <Riddell> fale: KDE still needs hal
[22:43] <fale> Riddell: than kubuntu lucid will have hal?
[22:43] <fale> *then
[22:44] <Riddell> QED
[22:45] <fale> what are you trying to demostrate?
[22:55] <ryanakca> fale: Kubuntu Lucid needs KDE. KDE still needs hal. Therefore Kubuntu Lucid will have hal.
[23:00] <txwikinger2> hi ryanakca
[23:00] <ryanakca> Hi txwikinger2


[08:55] <ppisati> bjf: FYI, i invalidated the two new P/Q tracking bugs since the new stuff didn't affect omap4 (i915 revert and fb switcehroo fix)
[09:40] <apw> ppisati, good plan :)
[10:29] <zequence> apw: both lowlatencies updated in the ppa
[10:37] <apw> zequence, thanks
[10:45] <apw> zequence, it doesn't look like you have used -v<updates version> on your Q package ?
[10:46] <apw> zequence, oh hang on, let me check that i am not being a wally
[10:47] <zequence> apw: -v against last published version?
[10:47] <apw> zequence, ignore me, i am just being an idiot, you did it just fine
[10:49] <zequence> apw: Well, it wouldn't have been the first time after all. I'm glad I'm doing it right now
[10:53] <apw> zequence, heh ... no this was all my stupidity :)  missreading a diff
[10:56]  * henrix -> lunch
[11:03] <apw> zequence, ok they look fine, copied over
[11:11] <zequence> apw: Thanks
[12:33]  * rtg shuts down tangerine for maint work
[12:41]  * rtg shuts down gomeisa for maint work
[13:09] <bjf> ppisati, ack, wfm
[13:10] <backjlack> I'll write again something I've written yesterday: I've run into a soft lockup with precise, amd64: http://pastie.org/private/yjhhnettm9yrlr9uqgqntq
[13:10] <backjlack> Is anyone from the ubuntu kernel team around to check it out?
[13:20] <henrix> backjlack: i guess the best thing to do is to open a bug against the linux package (apport-bug linux)
[13:21] <henrix> backjlack: also, your stacktrace indicates there was a BUG/OOPS before, so it would be better to include that in the bug report as well
[13:26] <backjlack> henrix: That's all I got, I didn't get any BUG/OOPS before.
[13:27] <henrix> backjlack: the 'D' in the 'Tainted' line says you did :)
[13:28] <backjlack> henrix: Ok, I can reproduce this and I might be able to get that as well if it happened.
[13:29] <henrix> backjlack: great, just make sure that's included in the bug report ;)
[13:59] <sconklin_> you here?
[13:59] <sconklin> d'oh
[14:00] <sconklin> cking: ^^
[14:07]  * ppisati starts packing some stuff...
[14:11]  * cking discovers he needs 7 shirts to be washed
[14:29] <ddins> are there any specific optimizations i can make to the kernel for laptops ?
[14:33] <cking> ddins, most of these are turned on when you run a laptop on battery
[14:54] <ddins> cking, are they turned on by acpid? when the adapter is disconnected
[15:03] <rtg> apw, did you ever see this ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2013-April/027860.html
[15:29] <cking> ddins, acpid will kick off the relevant pm-powersave script setting which in turn will then do the necessary magic tweaks
[15:31] <cking> ddins, however, you most probably will find that one can tweak it to match your desired configuration
[15:37] <ddins> cking, so from the kernel persp ist going to be sysctl's right?
[15:38] <cking> ddins, most of it is /sys tweaking if I can recall correctly
[15:38] <ddins> cking, ya /proc/sys
[15:44] <apw> rtg, that should be resolved when gomeisa is back up, and i can update the s/w there
[15:44] <rtg> apw, ack
[15:44] <apw> rtg, we should start building using -saucy configs from here on out, which has it in
[16:18]  * henrix goes start packing.  I'll will be around later
[16:48] <georgelappies> hi all, I am getting drm_kms_helper kernel panics, what could cause this? this is on 13.04, never happened before
[16:49] <georgelappies> it says something about not being able to sync with the interrupt??
[16:56] <georgelappies> would nomodeset be of any value? I don't know what it does, so don't want to set stuff that could break my machine
[17:00] <ddins> nomodeset disables kernel mode settings . AFAIK it wont break anything .
[17:01] <apw> georgelappies, i would suggest filing a bug with the panic stack in it so someone can look at it, they might then be able to make a more informed response
[17:01] <georgelappies> apw: thanks for the advice, how would I go about to locate the panic stack?
[17:02] <apw> georgelappies, you seem to be picking information out of it, so i assume you have seen it somewhere
[17:02] <georgelappies> apw: I saw that info on the screen and wrote it down on paper ;)
[17:03] <apw> georgelappies, depending how seriously broke it mades your system it might also show up in /var/log/messages
[17:04] <ddins> try using nomodeset and check if it boots
[17:04] <ddins> if it does , it could be a problem with your KMS
[17:05] <ddins> or the graphics card drivers
[17:05] <georgelappies> thanks, how will I set it though? Pardon my noobness
[17:08] <ddins> type e on grub
[17:08] <ddins> it will allow you ti edit the boot line
[17:09] <ddins> add nomodset  and press b  to boot the newly edited line
[17:09] <ddins> if it works add it to grub config file to make it permanent or else u'll have to do it every time u boot
[17:10] <georgelappies> great, thanks ddins going to do that right away
[17:11] <ddins> ok .. let us know if it worked
[17:32]  * rtg -> lunch
[20:14]  * rtg -> EOW
[20:35] <rostam> HI is this a right channel to ask about ubuntu kernel module development?


[12:05] <Riddell> raphink: feel free to review and upload her patch http://pastebin.com/715414
[12:05] <raphink> hmm let me see
[12:06] <raphink> ok she just took the support from gnome.mk and copied it to kde.mk
[12:09] <Riddell> seems like a fair tactic
[12:44] <Riddell> Sime: new guidance looks good, uploaded
[12:45] <toma> Riddell: need a nife?
[12:50] <Riddell> toma: nope, it's done
[12:51] <toma> nice, it is the new install wizard, right?
[01:07] <raphink> ok hobbsee's patch seems fine
[01:07] <raphink> I'll upload it
[01:08] <raphink> that means apps will have to be all rebuilt with this new cdbs
[01:15] <rclogger> btw, there are thoughts about using kubuntu as base for the amaroK Live CD ;-D
[01:17] <pygi> nice raphink
[01:17] <pygi> nice rclogger
[01:17] <pygi> gah :p
[01:17] <raphink> lol
[01:17] <rclogger> hehe
[01:17] <pygi> damn CAPS :P
[01:24] <Riddell> Mez: I uploaded katapult with your patch
[01:25] <Riddell> rclogger: good idea :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hey!  it looks like my cdbs got in!
[06:12] <Hobbsee> yay, thanks Riddell or whoever uploaded it :)
[07:20] <Hobbsee> is there any way to force kde sound to use anything apart from arts?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> ie, not amarok - the rest of it
[08:15] <freeflying> imbrandon: hi
[08:15] <imbrandon> heya freeflying dident mean to bother ya but .... hold on let me paste what i just said in #ubuntu-devel ( no one was alive in there )
[08:15] <imbrandon> 20:12]  <imbrandon> someone got a sec to help me figure out where to look to track down this bug, i can reporduce the bug like clockwork but i have no idea WHY its doing it or what logs / messages to look in to help someon fix it
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:13]  <imbrandon> hell not even sure what to report it under in launchpad.net
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:14]  <imbrandon> i dunno what to call it but if you install ( dont even have to use it ) smbfs , hald take a LONG time to start when booting ( like 2 or 3 minutes ) [ this is on upto date dapper , clean fresh install , install smbfs hangs on boot , uninstall it everything is smooth ]
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:15]  <imbrandon> not sure what hal ( hardware abstraction layer ) has to do with smbfs and i dont knokw where to look in the logs to be more helpfull but someone could tell me i would be happy to ( the reason i say hal is becouse thats what message it hangs on while booting for like 2 or 3 minutes )
[08:15] <imbrandon> [20:15]  <imbrandon> * message on usplash
[08:16] <imbrandon>  /end paste
[08:17] <imbrandon> does htat make any sense freeflying heh
[08:17] <imbrandon> that*
[08:17] <freeflying> imbrandon: automatically mount smbfs?
[08:18] <imbrandon> smbfs is a package to allow "mount" to mount smb file systems but you dont have to actualy USE it just have it installed for this to affect you
[08:18] <imbrandon> now i use it but i dident have anything mounted yet or any smbfs mounts in fstab
[08:18] <freeflying> imbrandon: maybe /var/log/message help
[08:18] <imbrandon> ut with smbfs package installed the next reboot hal will hang
[08:18] <imbrandon> for like 2 or 3 minutes
[08:19] <imbrandon> k lemme look
[08:21] <imbrandon> hmm no errors ther at all, everything looks normal
[08:23] <freeflying> imbrandon:  I also have similiar issue with you, no clues now, I bind /home  to a chroot environment, it also need 2-3 mins for bring up
[08:23] <imbrandon> on launchpad.net i dont even know whom to assign this to or if its a smbfs bug or hal bug in the way it handles smbfs ( if at all since its a hardware package ) or if its some other app hanging the boot
[08:23] <imbrandon> and hal is the last mesage shown
[08:23] <imbrandon> ahhh is it hal on the screen when the boot takes so long ?
[08:24] <freeflying> imbrandon: don't think hal is the right
[08:24] <imbrandon> me either, i think thats just the last thing usplash is showing me while it waits for something else
[08:24] <imbrandon> one sec brb phone
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mornfall: you around?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> mornfall: seems there are a lot of users getting problems with adept lately
[10:27] <toma> morning
[10:30] <Riddell> good morning toma
[11:20] <\sh> moins
[12:11] <Sime> is it just me or does the bookmarks toolbar in konq like sometime automatically appear even though I've got it turned off...
[12:12] <toma> Sime: i filed a bug that my bookmarks toolbar is randomly disappearing
[12:12] <Sime> ok, that sounds like what I'm seeing.
[12:13] <Sime> it is wierd
[12:13] <Sime> I can't corralate (sp?) it with any action in particular.
[12:13] <toma> yes, and i hate it ;-) I always, for ever, want that toolbar. There should be some lock setting.
[12:14] <Sime> it shouldn't appear/disappear randomly. simple.
[12:14] <toma> right
[12:14] <Sime> mp3 still don't work here in kde apps.
[12:15] <Sime> also mounting CDs seems to hang sometimes.
[12:15] <Sime> (might be FAM related..???)
[12:15] <Sime> I've seen pmount hang.
[12:15] <Sime> ps showed it just sitting there doing nothing once.
[12:16] <toma> someone replied in the bug report wrote that kubuntu patch the bookmark toolbar to not be on by default. Maybe the patch is wrong. I wonder where I can find that patch.
[12:19] <Sime> it will probably be part of the source .deb.
[12:19] <toma> ah, true
[12:19] <Sime> "apt-get source <the right deb name>" will pull it down.
[12:19] <Sime> best to do that in an empty dir. BTW
[12:20] <Sime> kdelibs
[12:20] <Sime> I think that is the source
[12:20] <Sime> I could be wrong
[12:22] <toma> donwloading
[12:36] <toma> a lot of patches, but none altering bookmark menu
[01:17] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[01:17] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[01:36] <freeflying> wired, I have both sid and dapper's pbuilder,but failed times for breezy's
[05:27] <seaLne> toma: kubuntu-default-settings should be setting the bookmarks toolbar to be off by default but if you turn it on it should be saving that in ~/.kde and should therefore stay on, in the past i've had it disapear a few times and had to turn it on again but it always stayed on for a long time (yeah crap description :)
[05:32] <toma> seaLne: oki, I'll have a look at that package then
[05:35] <seaLne> fair enough you might not like the default (i don't either) but it seems impossible that what you are experiencing is happening unless konq never saves its settings? :-/
[05:38] <seaLne> hmm i just found a very weird bug probably in kpilot, on my palm if i set a start and end time of the same (ie 0 duration its just an alarm to remind me to do something) the result in the std.ics file is for an apparently random period averaging a a few weeks
[05:39] <toma> seaLne: i don't like the default, but that is irrelevant. If I turn it on, it should stay on, and it does not do that ;-)
[05:39] <toma> :q
[05:40] <toma> I'll remove kubuntu-default-settings for a while and test without it
[05:40] <seaLne> toma: what happens if you change the setting then quit all konqs is it set when you start a new one?
[05:41] <toma> (also when i turn it off, if it stays off)
[05:41] <toma> yes, it will stay for a while, and disappears somwhere during the day.
[05:42] <seaLne> i've noticed before with settings stuff that loging out didn't save stuff and the only other times programs would be stopped was when they crashed
[05:42] <seaLne> toma: the same running konq?
[05:42] <toma> no, a new korq
[05:43] <seaLne> did you quit the previous one that you set it in?
[05:43] <toma> and i suspected a crashing konq as well, but that is not the case, i watched it carefully this week. I can imagen the default setting coming up after a crash
[05:44] <toma> mostly it happens when opening an extra konq
[05:44] <seaLne> sorry just trying to think of possible explanations
[05:45] <toma> seaLne: it is weird, first up is to determine if it is konqs fault or kubuntu-patch fault
[05:48] <seaLne> is there any mention of bookmarkToolBar in ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ?
[05:49] <toma> seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126556
[05:49] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 126556 in general "Bookmark-toolbar doesn't always show up when (re)starting Konqueror" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[05:50] <toma> Hidden=false
[05:50] <toma> yes, it is there
[05:52] <seaLne> i don't have that
[05:52] <seaLne> [KonqMainWindow Toolbar bookmarkToolBar]
[05:52] <seaLne> IconText=IconTextRight
[05:52] <seaLne> Index=3
[05:52] <seaLne> Offset=-3
[05:54] <toma> i have something similar
[05:54] <toma> there are a dozen bugs about toolbar bahaviour in konq
[05:55] <toma> I'll not search further, it is a konq problem
[05:55] <seaLne> so you have that + Hidden=false in the section?
[05:55] <toma> yes
[05:55] <seaLne> interesting
[05:56] <seaLne> maybe it is redundant by having the section at all
[05:58] <toma> funny br's http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120481
[05:58] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 120481 in general "No toolbar, split linked view with one locked - first click in unlocked one returns toolbars and main menu!" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[05:58] <toma> it is reasonable to assume somehwere there is a race condition reading the settings of konq
[06:00] <toma> thanks for helping
[06:01] <seaLne> weird problems are never fun
[06:02] <toma> indeed, i rather have something reproducable reliable
[11:30] <poimen> hum today is avery active day for developer right?  Only for packages, I guess.
[11:42] <apachelogger> available for ppacking
[11:42] <apokryphos> *packagers
[11:42] <apachelogger> apokryphos: yep
[11:47] <kwwii> it is a bit harder to work on harder problems per email
[11:47] <kwwii> anyway
[11:47] <kwwii> time for sleep
[11:47] <pygi> kwwii, night :)
[11:47] <kwwii> c u tomorrow
[11:47] <pygi> if you ever need any help, just poke me by mail or somethin
[11:48] <kwwii> pygi: will do :-)


[12:06] <smoser> sdeziel_: thanks for seeing that.
[12:48] <sdeziel_> np
[12:50] <smoser> so yeah, the bug is that if 'add' is never called, then /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt is not updated.
[12:54] <sdeziel> smoser: if you don't report it, please let me know and I will, thanks
[13:22] <smoser> sdeziel: i submitted using reportbug, but i don't have 100% confidence that my sendmail and such are workign correctly.
[13:22] <smoser> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2C2ChVfTfz/ is what i submitted.
[13:38] <sdeziel> smoser: can't find it on Debian nor Ubuntu :/
[13:58] <sdeziel> smoser: I think this is a regression introduced by https://salsa.debian.org/debian/ca-certificates/-/commit/8f8f4a525bd6a6c8a8d13530cda194d60275313d
[13:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Commit 8f8f4a5 in debian/ca-certificates "Don't remove ca-certificates.crt before updating it"
[14:59] <smoser> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051345
[14:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Debian bug 1051345 in ca-certificates "ca-certificates: update-ca-certificates does not recreate ca-certificates.crt if all certificates are deselected" [Normal, Open]
[14:59] <smoser> sdeziel: ^ it did get there.
[14:59] <sdeziel> smoser: many thanks!
[15:00] <smoser> i dont know what the proper ehavior is, but without the chnge yo pointed to above, the file would be not-present.
[15:01] <smoser> maybe the right thing is to be present and zero length ? i dont know.
[15:02] <smoser> but you're right that that change made it worse.
[19:03] <sarnold> smoser: btw the 'equivs' package can help you fake up packages to placate apt, when you've got good reasons for doing something that far out of the ordinary
[19:04] <sarnold> smoser: if by chance you still need all the ca-certificates machinery, and can't just wholesale stub out the package, dpkg exclude paths can be a lifesaver...
[19:05] <sarnold> smoser: I did something like this that I'm 70% sure does the right thing (I only set this up a few weeks ago) $ cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/excludes
[19:05] <sarnold> path-exclude=/usr/share/fonts/opentype/urw-base35/NimbusMonoPS*
[19:05] <smoser> i had never heard of that.
[19:06] <smoser> and then it just chooses to not install those things.
[19:06] <sarnold> I learned about it from people trying to find documentation in ubuntu or debian docker images :) heh
[19:07] <sarnold> ooh, nice bug report. I'm surprised you're the first to find this, though :(
[19:08] <smoser> you think its common that people just ignore all the certificates that ca-certificates gives them ?
[19:09] <teward> common, no.  some people, yes.
[19:27] <sarnold> heh, yeah, exactly that; though I guess a lot of the folks who might do that wouldn't be allowed to open bug reports about it
[19:34] <smoser> so you're saying its a good thing I didn't ask if i could open a bug report ;)
[19:39] <sarnold> exactly! $employer would certainly say "no you can't possibly do that, just fix it internally and never ever share the fix with anyone anywhere ever"
[19:39] <sarnold> "you know, open source"
[21:38] <teward> > exactly! $employer would certainly say "no you can't possibly do that, just fix it internally and never ever share the fix with anyone anywhere ever"
[21:38] <teward> guess i'm glad my employer is OK with me contributing back to open source XD
[21:39] <sarnold> *nod*


 The Herpees.
[21:58] <cmaloney> and the derpees.


[00:00] <lololjay> that's awesome I'm actually kind fo glad I got to talk to you. I'll keep that in mind for sure
[00:00] <ikonia> ok
[00:03] <lololjay> anyways sorry we got off to a bad start.. i'm off for now hopefully we'll talk in the future.. thanks for the advice aswell I really appreacite it
[00:03] <ikonia> no problem
[00:03] <ikonia> bye
[01:10] <elky> this guy doesn't do logic, does he.
[01:11] <bazhang> heh seems not. He'd be a bad house painter too.
[01:16] <elky> This just gets funnier with each new message
[01:17] <pangolin> I think it may be an attempt at sarcasm
[01:18] <elky> pangolin, which bit are you referring to?
[01:19] <elky> "<orionsonofneptun> and i have opertunity to become inspector general" made me lol for real
[01:20] <pangolin> hehe, the whitetrash troll bit.
[01:20] <pangolin> I think that was supposed to be sarcasm
[01:32] <pangolin> hello Jack_Sparrow
[01:33] <elky> he's alive!
[01:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello
[01:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, still alive.
[01:33] <elky> long time no see
[01:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Yep, 10.04
[01:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Thought I would stop in to say hello
[01:34] <Myrtti> oh wow
[01:34] <Myrtti> hello
[01:34] <Jack_Sparrow> TIme warp
[01:35] <Jack_Sparrow> From the looks of it I have a year to find a new home/OS
[01:36] <Jack_Sparrow> It is nice to see some of the old names
[01:37] <Myrtti> xubuntu welcomes all Unity refugees with open arms
[01:38] <Jack_Sparrow> All I need is my cube,
[01:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks for the reminder on Xbuntu, I had not really considered it
[01:39] <Myrtti> compiz cube? the wrapping behaviour can be achieved with less resource hungry xfce stuff - without the eyecandy but with the functionality
[01:40] <Myrtti> I've actually moved the other way, from Xubuntu to Unity
[01:40] <Jack_Sparrow> My user base wants the cube to stay, resources are not an issue
[01:40] <Myrtti> well you can run compiz in XFCE as well
[01:40] <Myrtti> that was... short
[01:41] <Myrtti> oh well, nice to see him well and alive
[01:41] <elky> yup
[01:42] <pangolin> Who was that masked man!?
[01:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry, I still have fat fingers
[02:01] <Jack_Sparrow> I enjoyed my visit.  I will check out Xubuntu..tx..
[07:05] <bazhang> he says he read the link, yet is asking how to do exactly what the link explains
[07:17] <bazhang> is Java development really that easy?
[07:37] <elky> it's what most universities etc teach as the default language
[07:38] <bazhang> ok. this fellow cannot even change directory to his Desktop, so perhaps Java is a bit too tough
[10:04] <topyli> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fi.iki.murgo.irssinotifier
[10:04] <topyli> \o/
[10:09] <LjL> topyli: oh yep, i saw that. should have linked to you but you found out anyway :P
[10:09] <topyli> :)
[15:03] <bazhang> troll detected
[15:03] <ikonia> yes
[15:04] <ikonia> UBUNTU IS PUSHING USERS AWAY WITH UNITY WHERE DO I REPORT THIS !!!!!
[15:04] <bazhang> this has got to be oriossonofsatan or whoever in disguise
[15:04] <ikonia> I'm checking the IP of his mate, webm or whatever it was
[15:05] <bazhang> webnet
[15:05] <Myrtti> he rejoined before you banned
[15:05] <ikonia> thanks Myrtti
[15:05] <ikonia> I was lagging so did it manually then auto_bleh kicked in
[15:07] <Myrtti> one of the reasons why I don't trust scripts
[15:07] <Myrtti> aliases tend to be a bit more reliable
[15:08] <ikonia> it's normally fine, I'm just on a poor connection and pulling down 8GB of iso and it's eating my bandwidth
[15:09] <ikonia> I should have thought about it a bit better
[15:29] <Tm_T> Amaranthus: hi, how can we help?
[15:30] <mneptok> someone needs the orignick script.
[15:31] <Tm_T> the problem is not nick, but not identifying (:
[15:32] <mneptok> register 2 nicks, associate them, and irssi's orignick and services get all cozy.
[15:33] <Tm_T> one nick is enough as long as you do identify properly on connect (it doesn't what nick you have at that moment, really)
[15:33] <Tm_T> +matter
[15:49] <tsimpson> you can use account:password as the server password, then it works regardless of nick choice
[16:48] <bazhang> fbots gone wild!
[16:57]  * mneptok scowls at ubottu
[16:57] <mneptok> 10:56 [Freenode] [ubottu(ubottu@ubuntu/bot/ubottu)] Review: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>set on Wed Mar 14 15:39:22 2012 in #ubuntu-ops, link: http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?log=47502
[16:57] <mneptok> no.
[16:58] <Myrtti> why not?
[16:58] <Myrtti> you're missing out on all the other fun with two other bots the rest of the crowd has
[16:59] <tsimpson> mneptok: "review" is not "remove"
[17:00] <mneptok> tsimpson: i know. and the answer is still no.
[17:00] <tsimpson> no you won't review a ban?
[17:01] <mneptok> not at this time. but thatnks for playing! as a special parting gift ... RICE-A-RONI! the San Franscisco treat!
[19:39] <ikonia> tsimpson: I think I set that one
[19:39] <ikonia> tsimpson: the vijay guy was a guy playing dumb trying to evade
[19:39] <ikonia> I'll have a look
[19:39] <ikonia> I think it's all sorted now and it maybe I missed when removing
[19:40] <tsimpson> I haven't looked, I was just wondering what the "no" was about
[19:40] <ikonia> the guy did a ton of evades, I thought I'd got them all when I removed, I may have missed that one, I'll look now
[19:44] <ikonia> ?
[19:44] <ikonia> did he just use the topic as a join/part message
[19:45] <knome> yes
[20:56] <guntbert> hi, are the foodbots ill
[20:56] <guntbert> ?
[20:59] <dax> how so?
[21:01] <guntbert> dax: well in #ubuntu-server someone pasted a lot of lines - and no floodbot kicked in, also i don't see them in the channel list
[21:01] <Pici> They have never been in -server.
[21:01] <dax> guntbert: only #ubuntu and #kubuntu have FloodBots.
[21:02] <guntbert> I see, sorry to bother you - strangley I didn't see them in #ubuntu either, but now I do see them :-) - have a nice time
[21:02] <Pici> Historically, -server has had much less volume and mis-pasting compared to #k and #u
[21:03] <guntbert> completely reasonable - it was just not what I expected


[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:55] <mnms_> hi guys! Sorry if posted on wrong channel. I would like to ask if there is any intel cpu which is resistant to most vulnerabilities like zombieland spectre etc.. building server hardware... lga1151 socket
[08:55] <mnms_> trying to decide which cpu to take
[13:22] <nacc> lol @ --^
[13:23] <frickler> jamespage: didn't see you in #openstack-dev, so mentioning here: in https://review.opendev.org/674027 as a drive-by I correct the docs link for the charms projects, please verify that the link is correct
[13:52] <Marethyu1211> Hello! Just to make sure, is this the place to ask questions about ubuntu server, or is this one of the dev groups?
[13:54] <rbasak> Marethyu1211: you can ask user questions here
[13:59] <Marethyu1211> Alright, thanks! So, I'm trying to install ubuntu-server as a multi-boot, alongside windows 10. I've shrunk my windows partitions (running BIOS), deleted one so I have space for linux, and now have about 450 gb unallocated. I've got the installer booted off of a flashdrive, but the Filesystem setup step refuses to recognize the existing partitions,
[13:59] <Marethyu1211>  even in manual mode
[14:00] <Marethyu1211> Is there a particular trick to getting ubuntu-server to only use the unallocated space for its partition?
[14:07] <weedmic> Marethyu1211: Are you sure that's the proper goal?  Would it not make more sense to install a linux server, and have whatever windows servers run in virtualbox - then none of the machines ever need be turned off?
[14:13] <Marethyu1211> The issue is that I don't have my original installation media for my computer - so getting a VM inside ubuntu-server might be difficult without that, I think. Running it the other way around (the server as a constant VM inside win10) might cause performance issue, as my desktop is pretty old
[14:13] <Marethyu1211> If the latter trick (or anything else) might work, I'd love to hear about it!
[14:23] <weedmic> I suggest watching a video about clonezilla.   Also, windows (at least here in Israel) will send you replacement media for about 7euros.
[14:34] <tomreyn> Marethyu1211: the ##windows channel would be a better place to discuss your windows options. Generally, you can 'move' a physical installation into a VM, a process which virtualization softwares often refer to as "P2V" ("physical to virtual"). Usually, the common denominator for 'server' installations is that they don't have a graphical user interface, saving those resources for something more useful, such as speeding up all other
[14:34] <tomreyn> processes, including the virtualization, and reducing the attack surface (increased exposure to attacks by running GUI softwares on a server system).
[14:40] <Marethyu1211> Alright, thanks all!
[15:09] <DammitJim> does ubuntu/Canonical support openjdk 11 on ubuntu 16?
[15:09] <DammitJim> I get confused as to what they support
[15:09] <DammitJim> I think the only versions available are 8 and 9
[15:17] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | DammitJim
[15:24] <DammitJim> lts
[15:26] <tomreyn> DammitJim: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial&keywords=openjdk is what's on offer for "xenial" (16.04 LTS)
[15:26] <tomreyn> so you can choose between security supported openjdk 8 and community supported openjdk 9
[15:26] <DammitJim> ok, but not 11
[15:27] <tomreyn> correct, ubuntu itself does not provide openjdk 11 builds for 16.04 LTS.
[15:28] <DammitJim> ty
[15:28] <tomreyn> maybe canonical does, you'd need to contact them directly.
[15:28] <tomreyn> there are other parties who probably provide openjdk 11 builds for 16.04
[15:30] <DammitJim> thanks
[15:37] <tomreyn> DammitJim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK#OpenJDK_builds might help finding alternatives
[17:03] <friendlyguy> hi there! i am trying to update one of my ubuntu vms, but i have a conflict
[17:03] <friendlyguy> perl-modules-5.22 conflicts with perl-modules
[17:04] <friendlyguy> how do i resolve that?
[17:19] <sarnold> friendlyguy: can you pastebin the output? on my systems apt-cache show says both package names are virtual and thus won't tell me anything about them, heh
[17:20] <friendlyguy> sarnold: sure
[17:21] <friendlyguy> https://termbin.com/a97c
[17:25] <sarnold> heh, dang, I was hoping it'd have a bit more detail.. alright then..
[17:30] <sarnold> friendlyguy: try apt-get install -f perl-modules-5.22 perl-modules- perl-modules:i386-
[17:31] <TJ-> where'd perl-modules come from though? is it a Provides: of something, or a 3rd party archive?
[17:31] <friendlyguy> i have nooo idea
[17:34] <friendlyguy> https://termbin.com/22cr
[17:52] <friendlyguy> tomreyn: hey there! are you around by any luck?
[17:56] <sarnold> friendlyguy: apt-get dist-upgrade perhaps?
[18:14] <friendlyguy> sarnold: i can try...
[18:30] <friendlyguy> sarnold: i think that did the trick
[18:31] <sarnold> friendlyguy: woot! nothing else looks funny? no held back packages, 0 packages to update, etc?
[18:32] <friendlyguy> nope
[18:33] <friendlyguy> all fine
[18:40] <sarnold> cool :) I wish I knew what exactly it was
[19:33] <tomreyn> friendlyguy: did i self-promote this script with you, yet? https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[19:33] <friendlyguy> yes you did :)
[19:33] <tomreyn> okay, might want to run this there if you haven't
[19:33] <friendlyguy> i did
[19:33] <tomreyn> also look at apt-mark showhold
[19:34] <friendlyguy> that does return nothing
[19:35] <tomreyn> okay, maybe a conflict introduced by 3rd party repos then
[19:36] <friendlyguy> tomreyn: i found another vm with the same problem as my webserver had: boot is full and i guess with the same "migration background" :)
[19:36] <tomreyn> that was 14.04 -> 16.04 ? i don't rmeember the details.
[19:37] <friendlyguy> i think so
[19:37] <friendlyguy> its 16.04 currently
[19:37] <tomreyn> i think the system we were working on the other day was lacking the linux-* 'tracking' / meta apckages
[19:37] <friendlyguy> yup, and i "suspect" that machines suffers the same disease
[19:38] <friendlyguy> didn`t look more into it yet
[19:38] <friendlyguy> its a teamspeak vm i didn`t give any love in a year or so
[19:39] <tomreyn> now it's hard to tell whether this is a generic issue with *some* ubuntu 14.04 (or older, if there were previous upgrades) installer not installing these packages or some third party image which may have been used to setup these systems
[19:39] <friendlyguy> let me take a look
[19:39] <tomreyn> and even if it was an issue in 14.04 and older, we can probably not file a bug about it now since those are no longer maintained (except for !ESM)
[19:40] <friendlyguy> yes, but... could you possibly help me again if my suspicion confirms?
[19:41] <friendlyguy> i`ll of course try to look at the history on the other machine first.
[19:45] <tomreyn> friendlyguy: i'm certainly not the only one who can provide those answers around here, but if i'll be around at this point in time, i'll be happy to help. i think those packages are: linux-generic or (if !HWE) linux-generic-lts-$(lsb_release -rs) or linux-virtual (if a VM)


[06:28] <mitya57> ahayzen: thanks. I don’t have time to investigate so far, but my initial guess is that the containers may be blocking the syscalls that are important to Qt.
[06:29] <mitya57> (Like in Debian #901062)
[10:02] <ahayzen> mitya57, no worries, right it's going to be something funky :-) The interesting part is that the same .run works on an older container, so something to do with the 18.04 container and it's env. Let me know if there is any additional info i can try to extract
[10:43] <ahayzen> Also note that to use gdb inside docker i am passing "--security-opt seccomp=unconfined" which should not block certain syscalls, as described in the bug report you linked. And that older versions like Qt 5.6 have similar issues on 18.04
[14:31]  * lisandro suspects we will be seeing more containers issues with Qt in the near future
[14:31] <lisandro> it's amazing the amount of times I have seen this in the last two weeks
[15:03] <acheronuk> :/
[15:26] <lisandro> I think it is actually rather a good thing
[15:27] <lisandro> like creating docker images from testing/sid and using them in stable


[00:00] <bodhizazen> beto see if this helps : http://www.ubuntux.org/ubuntu-8-04-screen-resolution-limited-with-nvidia-geforce2-mx-400
[00:01] <beto> tks, I'll try it and comeback later :)
[00:14] <bodhizazen> wb dangertux
[00:14] <dangertux> ty bodhizazen  how's your weekend going?
[00:34] <bodhizazen> dangertux, nice
[00:35] <bodhizazen> Orion sold a grand total of 7050 of popcorn, so he will get some nice rewards
[00:36] <dangertux> bodhizazen,  nice :-)
[00:37] <bodhizazen> =)
[03:05] <yax51> whats a good ISO burner? I am used to using power ISo and am looking for something comparable
[03:12] <holstein> yax51: i just use the one included usually, but i like nero
[03:12] <holstein> k3b is very nice
[03:12] <holstein> brasero is usually what i end up with though because its just there
[03:28] <bodhizazen> k3b FTW =)
[03:29] <bodhizazen> xfburn is another nice one
[03:29] <holstein> oh yeah... i forgot about that one
[03:31] <bodhizazen> how are you holstein
[03:32] <holstein> bodhizazen: not bad... and you?
[03:33] <bodhizazen> kids are in bed, doing well =)
[03:34] <holstein> w00t
[07:00] <unclet0m> hello, can anyone help me set up pysdm? i'm having trouble with it because it won't recognize my ntfs partitions
[07:01] <sinux> what kind of problem you're having
[07:02] <sinux> have you asked the about this in the forum
[07:02] <unclet0m> exactly what i stated, i want to set up pysdm for my ntfs partitions, but it doesn't recognize/detect those partitions
[07:02] <unclet0m> no, thought coming here would be faster
[07:04] <stlsaint> unclet0m: i have never used pysdm so im at a lost on proper support for ya
[07:05] <unclet0m> its okay testing my googlefu now lol
[07:17] <vinnu_> hello
[07:17] <vinnu_> can anyone tell me what is .bashrc is?
[08:52] <geirha> aww, I could've answered that. :(
[10:00] <SuprEngr> anyone got Tomboy Notes synching setup in 11.10?  I get as far "Connected. Press Save to start synchronising". The Save button stays greyed out & can't be pressed
[13:34] <sebsebseb> hi
[13:43] <Sidewinder1> Mornin'.
[14:02] <sebsebseb> Sidewinder1: afternoon here
[14:09] <E3D3> How can I print a list of folders, each on its own line without extra information ?
[14:30] <E3D3> How can I print a list of folders, each on its own line without extra information ?
[14:31] <E3D3> How can I print a list of folders, each on its own line WHITOUT EXTRA DETAILS ?
[14:31] <holstein> E3D3: lets check the ls man page
[14:31] <holstein> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ls
[14:32] <holstein> E3D3: you've been here long enough to know that this is not necessarily somewhere you can just pop in and get an emmidiate answer
[14:32] <holstein> espcially about command-line stuff
[14:32] <holstein> or maybe i have your nick mixed up
[14:33] <holstein> E3D3: ls -h not going to do it?
[14:33] <holstein> what are you trying to do in the bigger picture?
[14:34] <geirha> find . -type d  perhaps?
[14:39] <E3D3> So no one knows ?
[14:40] <holstein> E3D3: those suggestions not going to work? and you dont want to share what you are trying to do?
[14:40] <E3D3> I tried al suggestions but its just guessing because no one seems to REALLY know !?
[14:41] <holstein> E3D3: sure, and im not sure what you *really* want
[14:41] <holstein> you want a list of files? that says ls to me
[14:41] <holstein> and i dont really understand what information ls is giving that is unwanted
[14:41] <holstein> 'extra details'
[14:42] <holstein> i was imagining you needing this in a piece of code or something that if you could give more detail, maybe someone would know of a plugin or script
[14:43] <holstein> anyways, when i 'cd' to the directory, and run 'ls', i get a list of files im comfortable with
[14:44] <holstein> ls -a -h if i want .directories too
[14:45] <holstein> E3D3: im must run... good luck... feel free and elaborate, post, and patiently wait for a response :)
[14:45] <E3D3> Sorry man, I'm sure that its clear enough. I just want every foldername on a new line and I don't want extra information. I want to copy this list after it.
[14:45] <E3D3> This seems to work:   ls -lp | grep \/$ | tr -s ' '|cut -f9 -d ' '
[14:46] <E3D3> Thanks to phlak_user & llutz from #ubuntu  :)
[14:47] <E3D3> But is it hard or is it hard for a beginner ?
[14:49] <E3D3> That Linux makes a problem with such a simple job scares & wonders me. Nasty ****
[14:50] <LemonAid> Hmm.. i wonder.
[14:52] <geirha> E3D3: The problem is that the question is very vague.
[14:52] <E3D3> Can you tell me more ?
[14:52] <geirha> You never mentioned what folders you wanted to list
[14:52] <LemonAid> Saw your question now, and here`s the easiest possible sollution without learning anything "scary"
[14:52] <E3D3> Doesn't matter what folders !
[14:53] <E3D3> geirha: Can you reformulate my question so I learn from it ?
[14:53] <geirha> I still don't know what you actually wanted to achieve.
[14:53] <LemonAid> Do this: "sudo apt-get install tree" -> enter password. This will install the tree utility. After type "tree -d -L 1"
[14:54] <LemonAid> the -d stands for directory, the -L 1 stands for level 1 = now subdirectory listing.
[14:55] <E3D3> I won't install extra software for a listing of folders but still thanks. I already have the sollution.
[14:55] <LemonAid> Note that you must be in the directory that contains all the other directories you want listed.
[14:55] <LemonAid> I was only giving you an alternative that would not scare you.
[14:55] <E3D3> ls -lp | grep \/$ | tr -s ' '|cut -f9 -d ' '
[14:56] <geirha> ls -d */
[14:56] <geirha> possibly with a -1 too
[14:56] <geirha> But if you redirect ls's output anywhere, it'll write one file on each line.
[14:56] <E3D3> Okay, I understand. Thanks for that. It indeed looks more understandable than the long ls-formula.
[14:57] <E3D3> Sorry that was for LemonAid:   ^^^
[14:57] <geirha> the pipeline is broken. It will fail for directories containing whitesapce in their name.
[14:58] <E3D3> No  :'(  don't say that
[14:59] <geirha> Parsing ls output is always wrong.
[14:59] <LemonAid> well here you go then, with explainations.
[15:00] <LemonAid> ls -d -1 */ | cut -d/ -f1
[15:00] <geirha> You don't even need ls.  printf '%s\n' */
[15:01] <LemonAid> ls = list , -d directory , -1 each one on one line, cut=cut , -d/ = delimiter character / , -f1 first field
[15:02] <E3D3> ls -d -1 */ | cut -d/ -f1   seems to work (also with whitespace) or are you going to tell me later that it also skips something ?
[15:02] <LemonAid> Well, you still need to cut out the / character.
[15:03] <E3D3> I don't see the /
[15:03] <LemonAid> Also geirha`s solution is correct as well (minus the / that sticks out at the end)
[15:03] <E3D3> Its a beautiful list. I will now try geirha's
[15:03] <LemonAid> The "Well, you still need to cut out the / character." was for geirha.
[15:05] <geirha> "How can I get a list of only the directories in the current directory?"
[15:05] <E3D3> I see, beautiful as yours  :)
[15:06] <geirha> ls -d -1 */ | cut -d/ -f1   will work as long as you don't have any directory names with newlines in them. Though you probably don't have any.
[15:07] <geirha> Or, well, it'll work, but you won't know where a new directory name begins
[15:09] <geirha> But it's good enough for an interactive shell. If you want to iterate directories in a script, the solution will be completely different.
[15:11] <E3D3> Thx all but if I knew I had to spend an hour like this I would have lend a Mac or Windows for the job.
[15:11] <E3D3> I never knew you could make dir-names with newlines in it ? Guess I don't have them so np  :)
[15:12] <geirha> In a filename (which includes directory names), you can use every character except / (the path separator) and the NUL byte.
[15:13] <E3D3> So how to implement a newline in it. Pressing Enter will always stop the name-giving, not ?
[15:13] <geirha> touch 'file with
[15:13] <geirha> newline'
[15:14] <E3D3> Okay, I try to avoid the commandline and this experience stimulates it more.
[15:17] <E3D3> Luckily there's Ubuntu (my Second OS) that saves this NOOB when simple things go wrong.
[15:17] <E3D3> Thanks for the help & time. Good luck all
[17:13] <MakoMick> hi
[17:13] <MakoMick> Can anyone help me with a printer problem?
[17:14] <MakoMick> or should I install Windows?
[17:19] <urlin2u> MakoMick, what is the printer and have you checked the onboard drivers, and whether ubuntu will run this printer
[17:20] <MakoMick> It has always worked before
[17:20] <MakoMick> Used version 9 before
[17:20] <MakoMick> Its an Epson stylus photo r300
[17:21] <MakoMick> lsusb shows it up
[17:21] <MakoMick> but cannot add in Cups
[17:21] <MakoMick> Or Printers app
[17:22] <urlin2u> MakoMick, on occasion my hp wont work a replug, and a on off with the printer usualy works, as I have the drivers installed, can you de like really desrcptive in the driver area and my questions.
[17:22] <MakoMick> I have tried a few reboots and switches on and off
[17:23] <MakoMick> Onboard drivers?
[17:23] <MakoMick> I am sure Ubuntu will run because it has before.
[17:23] <MakoMick> I think it originally picked up but now its gone
[17:24] <urlin2u> MakoMick, when you use a printer generally you have to open printers and pick the driver for the printer.
[17:25] <urlin2u> MakoMick, check printers to see if there is a driver loaded.
[17:27] <MakoMick> "there are no printers configured yet"
[17:27] <MakoMick> I have never had to pick a driver before, it has just worked
[17:27] <urlin2u> MakoMick, try to set it up it will allow you to search to find a driver for that printer probably.
[17:28] <MakoMick> I click Add
[17:28] <MakoMick> then it asks me to select Parallel port, or serial or URI
[17:28] <MakoMick> what for USB?
[17:28] <urlin2u> MakoMick, reapeating that it has worked with out a driver is of no help to be honest, I have never seen that in the 5 years I have used linux.
[17:30] <MakoMick> I never said that it worked without a driver. I said that I have never had to pick one before, this printer has always "plugged and played"
[17:33] <urlin2u> MakoMick, I think what your missing is that it is irrelevant at least for my help. Try network printer then a search, I'm on oneiric so the printer gui may be different than yours
[17:34] <MakoMick> I am also on Oneric. Its not a network printer> Its Local - USB
[17:35] <urlin2u> that is what found my printer though put in the host after it finds it, with linux and computers in general sometimes literal meanings are deceiving
[17:35] <urlin2u> mine is a usb as well
[17:36] <urlin2u> no mention of a usb in my setup as well
[17:36] <MakoMick> so what do I put in for Host: ?
[17:36] <urlin2u> your user name I believe that worked for me
[17:39] <MakoMick> NONE FOUND
[17:40] <urlin2u> MakoMick, hm not sure than you might try the #ubuntu channel it is much busier.
[17:40] <MakoMick> so you really havent got a clue
[17:40] <MakoMick> Muggle
[17:42] <urlin2u> MakoMick, well I can't really say other then what works for me, I have had only one printer in 5 years.
[18:51] <Voj> hello
[18:51] <Voj> was wondering if someone could help me out with some ubuntu stuff
[18:51] <bioterror> !ask | Voj
[18:51] <ubot2> Voj: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[18:52] <Voj> well its about the installing thats why i came to the beginner area
[18:52] <Voj> basically i installed ubuntu yesterday with a clean wipe, something happened so i did a 2nd reformat with ubuntu again today but it seems that its not detecting anythign like networks or updates
[18:53] <Voj> im using the newest version
[18:53] <bioterror> wireless networks or what?
[18:53] <Voj> ya
[18:53] <Voj> its on my netbook
[18:54] <Voj> yesterday it detected everythign
[18:54] <Voj> but someone pugged out so i did a 2nd reformat
[18:54] <Voj> bugged*
[18:56] <Voj> any thoughts?
[19:02] <bioterror> hmm
[19:02] <bioterror> it used to work
[19:02] <bioterror> and now it does not?
[19:02] <Voj> pretty much
[19:02] <Voj> when i first installed it said i couldnt support the unity thing
[19:03] <Voj> but it loaded up anyways
[19:03] <Voj> installed al lteh drivers and network stuff got set up
[19:03] <Voj> then when i installed a 2nd time i did another wipe redid it the same way and i hav all these problems with detecting them
[19:04] <Voj> it also doesnt detect anythign from the update ubuntu manager
[19:14] <bioterror> Voj, sorry I'm a little busy as I'm doing my schoolwork
[19:14] <bioterror> and I'm really trying to concentrate on this one :(
[19:15] <bioterror> Voj, can you plug your netbook into wired lan?
[19:15] <bioterror> and use that for upgraing your system?
[19:16] <Voj> i can give it a try


[15:22] <waldo323> hot trash? popular but has issues?
[16:22] <cmaloney> hawt traaaash
[16:52] <waldo323> :)


[09:27] <tjaalton> interesting.. tuxracer doesn't work with nvidia on jaunty
[09:27] <tjaalton> *** etracer error: Couldn't initialize video: X11 driver not configured with OpenGL (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:28] <tjaalton> sigh, and intel seems to crash on resume even without uxa
[11:13] <mnemo> tjaalton: I current have 2826M RES on compiz.real in top... how can I file a meaningful bug report on that?
[11:13] <mnemo> I mean can I enumerate the heap allocations and get the megabyte count for each allocation site?
[11:14] <mnemo> for example, i would want the stack to the malloc that created these big chunks
[11:14] <mnemo> i know valgrind can do something like this but only for apps you started from valgrind
[11:15] <mnemo> i wonder if there is a way to "attach" valgrind to an existing process and then check the memory or something
[12:35] <tjaalton> mnemo: sorry, I've no experience about that
[18:03] <jcristau> fwiw MAXDEVICES is a build-time constant. (set to 20, apparently)
[19:42] <tjaalton> ok, but not 6
[19:42] <tjaalton> hmm
[19:43] <tjaalton> but does the output device count? in that case "6 seats" might be the default limit (3 * (mouse, keyboard, output))
[19:48] <jcristau> that's input devices
[19:54] <tjaalton> ok..
[19:55] <jcristau> with evdev you get a bit more than that. there's the vck and vcp, and then one for each physical device
[20:00] <tjaalton> ok, so six sounds about right after all?
[20:00] <jcristau> yeah
[20:01] <tjaalton> hehe
[20:02] <tjaalton> it's just hard to argue with the middle-man
[20:02] <tjaalton> or easy, depending on how you see it


[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <amedcj> Hi there. Is there anyone know when can I buy an Ubuntu Phone?
[15:04] <morocha-ardiente> hola querubines
[15:06] <rubia-candente69> hola querubin
[15:06] <rubia-candente69> hello baby