[12:02] <bam_> for crontab -e
[12:03] <Java_the_Hutt> bam: try kate
[12:03] <Java_the_Hutt> kate will do simple jobs for you with great ease
[12:03] <Java_the_Hutt> if needed as root
[12:03] <Java_the_Hutt> try kdesu kate
[12:03] <bam_> question if I have a crontab I made outside of crontab -e how can I tell cron to use it?, aka install it
[12:04] <Java_the_Hutt> dunno
[12:04] <bam_> kate is fine
[12:04] <bam_> but I can use nano or pico as well, just not a fan of vi
[12:04] <Java_the_Hutt> i used pico may be 10 years ago last time
[12:05] <bam_> my zaurus uses vi as an editor(default)
[12:05] <Draken> can anyone help me install new nvidia drivers
[12:05] <Draken> latest ones
[12:05] <Java_the_Hutt> vi is not bad once you get used to it
[12:05] <bam_> I am wondering how ubuntu got it to call nano instead of vi
[12:06] <bam_> hmmm
[12:06] <bam_> got an idea
[12:07] <bam_> ahaa, it worked cool
[12:07] <Draken> can anyone help me install new nvidia drivers
[12:07] <Draken> latest ones
[12:08] <bam_> is there a system wide environmental variable that you can specify te editor, say pico instead of vi?
[12:13] <_buknoy> anyone pinoy here
[12:13] <Elsan_> Can anyone pack the default Kubuntu colors(System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors -> Save Model) as a .kcsrc and send the file to me please?
[12:19] <difeta> how can i make it kde does not mount my dvds and cds when they are inserted?
[12:28] <bipolar> does anyone know what this means:
[12:28] <bipolar> $ glxgears
[12:28] <bipolar> ERROR: version mismatch - 2D module [8.20.8]  incompatible with OGL client module [8.19.10] .
[12:40] <Shadyman> Hey guys, my wpa_supplicant is just about connecting, but it says authentication time out.
[12:40] <Shadyman> it finds the AP, associates, then times out on auth
[12:51] <slow-motion> fohes neues jahr! Happy new year!
[12:51] <slow-motion> +r
[01:18] <Elsan_> Can anyone pack the default Kubuntu colors(System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors -> Save Model) as a .kcsrc and send the file to me please?
[01:18] <slow-motion> n8
[01:26] <canllaith> heya, in the stuff you can easily apt-get on kubuntu, can you easily get KDE windecos and widget styles?
[01:29] <canllaith> ah, and would a kubuntu livecd run ok with 256MB memory, or am I masochistic for even contemplating it?
[01:37] <mathieu> hi all, I cant seem to find a list somewhere of all the user groups and their meaning... anyone know where I could find such a thing? Ive tried google but couldnt get any pertinent results
[01:42] <digitalfreak2007> hey guys i have a problem with sudo access
[01:45] <digitalfreak2007> right after install, sudo works as it should giving superuser access with the user password. after i restart the computer, sudo doesn't work anymore. It doesn't say anything about a wrong password. In fact it seems to accept the password, but it doesn't give me admin rights.
[01:45] <digitalfreak2007> Any tips on how to get this working?
[01:49] <AoP> hmm
[01:51] <AoP> digitalfreak2007:  ask nalioth
[01:52] <digitalfreak2007> nalioth: any tips on how to get sudo working for the kde control panel?
[01:53] <digitalfreak2007> AoP: i think he's gone
[01:55] <digitalfreak2007> AoP: maybe i have to do a regular install instead of an expert install?
[01:55] <AoP> What are you trying to do?
[01:57] <digitalfreak2007> well i am trying to configure my network settings in control panel. it asks for my password. I type it in it seems like it accepts the password, but the settings page is still in regular user mode
[01:58] <AoP> hmmm
[02:00] <digitalfreak2007> i read something in the forum about doing a regular install, cuz expert install doesn't give the user sudo rights
[02:00] <tiberius> bam_?
[02:06] <tiberius> bam_. This URL might have the right answer to your question about how to set the systemwide default editor (at least under bash for crontab) - http://blog.breuls.org/2005/11/26/default-crontab-editor/
[02:24] <_skiy> happy new year all !
[02:25] <bam_> tiberius, killer, will work in my zaurus
[02:25] <bam_> :)
[02:25] <bam_> thanks
[02:25] <_skiy> a quick question, If I install a "Daily" CD, can I still upgrade to the latest "stable" ubuntu?
[02:28] <Elsan_> Can anyone pack the default Kubuntu colors(System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors -> Save Model) as a .kcsrc and send the file to me please?
[02:28] <mebsd> i want to install kubuntu
[02:28] <mebsd> what's smallest iso i can get
[02:29] <Elsan_> They're all the same size for normal CDs
[02:29] <Elsan_> Do you have Ubuntu installed?
[02:29] <mebsd> no linux installed, only winxp and netbsd if that helps
[02:30] <Elsan_> Download a Kubuntu CD
[02:30] <Elsan_> or order one.
[02:30] <mebsd> which one to dl
[02:30] <Elsan_> You can free Ubuntu CDs from ship-it
[02:30] <mebsd> i don't order *nix
[02:31] <Elsan_> Download the normal CD for your architecture
[02:31] <mebsd> what you mean
[02:31] <Elsan_> Burn, Install, Enjoy :)
[02:31] <mebsd> satisfaction guarantee?
[02:31] <Elsan_> No :p
[02:32] <Elsan_> I assume if you have BSD, you're familiar with partitioning?
[02:32] <mzelem> Hello, anyone know if you can copy picture files to a motorola razr using usb or bluetooth in kubuntu?
[02:34] <Elsan_> You can ask in the #ubuntu channel, it should be similar with Kubuntu... Or compare with the Windows usage
[02:34] <mzelem> ok, thanks
[02:35] <mebsd> Elsan_: im very good at partition thing, also grud and kernel
[02:35] <mebsd> Elsan_: i used to load xen guest linux domain, load it with netbsd xen kernel as module, all in grub
[02:35] <Elsan_> mebsd: Oh... :p
[02:37] <Elsan_> Choose a mirror from your location and select the good install CD. For 32 bits it should be:" kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso"
[02:41] <Elsan_> medsb: Will it be ok?
[02:41] <mebsd> maybe
[02:48] <Elsan_> mebsd: Just make sure you download the good CD, it's not hard at all
[02:49] <Elsan_> mebsd: The rest is just following the instructions and selecting the good partition
[02:50] <Elsan_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/I386 it's for Ubuntu but it should help!
[02:54] <Elsan_> Happy new year
[02:57] <Knowerrors> When I run FF from the comman line, I get firefox INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory? System error?:: Success, and it doesn't load, I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, still nada, can anyone help?
[03:00] <SpentCasing> i need a new wireless card, any suggestions that work well with kubuntu?
[03:05] <Tm_T> FF ?
[03:10] <mebsd> firefox
[03:15] <Tm_T> aah, Fx
[03:27] <apachelogger> fd
[03:50] <leafw> does anyone know if firefox 1.5 is available for breezy-ppc ?
[04:16] <Snake|Away> Hey guys, someone wanna help me big time??
[04:17] <raphink> Snake: what is there?
[04:18] <Snake> raphink: I want to make my PC snore when it goes idle
[04:18] <Snake> lol
[04:18] <raphink> huh
[04:18] <raphink> what's the point?
[04:18] <Snake> Why not
[04:18] <Snake> lol
[04:18] <raphink> try to see if you can set that in Kcontrol
[04:18] <Snake> I cant lol
[04:19] <raphink> I'll go to bed... it doesnt seem so much of an urgent issue to be fixed ;)
[04:19] <Snake> Nope :)
[04:19] <Snake> night
[04:19] <raphink> ty
[04:19] <raphink> bye
[04:19] <raphink|sleep> && happy new year
[04:19] <Snake> same to u
[04:21] <MrJangles> kubuntu's awesome....
[04:22] <Snake> Yep
[04:24] <leafw> any quicktime, flash or any other media player for kubuntu-ppc ?
[04:40] <Riddell> leafw: check the mplayer site for powerpc proprietry codecs libraries I seem to remember
[04:41] <sorush20> guys my kde login screen is very bad.. I don't know how to describe it.. it seems like the resolution is out of range ... but xorg config autodetected the refresh rates and resolutions any help please.
[04:55] <Elessar86> hello?
[04:55] <Elessar86> anyone here?
[04:56] <kalenedrael> Yes, sort of.
[04:56] <Elessar86> ah,
[04:56] <Elessar86> i jsut set up a partition and downloaded kubuntu
[04:56] <kalenedrael> Ok.
[04:56] <Elessar86> now...i want to set up a dual boot
[04:56] <Elessar86> is that all on the download?
[04:56] <Elessar86> as options or something?
[04:56] <kalenedrael> Ok, (k)ubuntu should do that automatically. You do still have the other OS, right?
[04:56] <crimsun> that's not difficult; the installer does that for you.
[04:56] <Elessar86> yeah
[04:56] <Elessar86> im on it now :)
[04:56] <crimsun> you didn't even have to repartition prior
[04:57] <kalenedrael> Ok.
[04:57] <Elessar86> well, can i use the partition i have?
[04:57] <crimsun> just choose the guided partitioning option
[04:57] <Elessar86> *that i jsut made
[04:57] <Elessar86> i'd rather use the partition i just made, is that ok?
[04:57] <Elessar86> or do i have t use the guide?
[04:57] <kalenedrael> You do in some cases, I believe. I had to manually partition before setting up kubuntu and Windows XP dual-boot.
[04:58] <Elessar86> well, i have the partition then, so lets hope that works, so just pop the disc in and install
[04:58] <Elessar86> ?
[04:58] <Elessar86> how long does it take on avg?
[04:59] <Elessar86> that long eh... :P
[05:00] <kalenedrael> It takes a while. You're installing an entire OS :P
[05:00] <Elessar86> so like, 30 minutes, 45, 5 hours?
[05:00] <kalenedrael> Depends heavily on the computer and the HD speed :P
[05:01] <Elessar86> hm...
[05:01] <Elessar86> damn
[05:01] <Elessar86> alright
[05:01] <leafw> Elessar86: kubuntu installed in 45 minutes in an old mac I have home.
[05:01] <kalenedrael> Takes me between half an hour and an hour.
[05:01] <Elessar86> 2.2 ghz, 448 mb ram
[05:01] <Elessar86> and a descent HD
[05:01] <kalenedrael> (depending on how much I mess up :P)
[05:01] <Elessar86> im on a laptop
[05:01] <Elessar86> so we'll see :)
[05:01] <kalenedrael> Installing on this laptop took about half an hour.
[05:01] <Elessar86> anyway, thanks guys, im gonna go burn the image to disc and then install
[05:01] <Elessar86> cool
[05:01] <Elessar86> so not too long
[05:02] <Elessar86> http://kanotix.com/
[05:02] <Elessar86> a friend jsut suggested
[05:02] <Elessar86> this
[05:02] <Elessar86> im new to this linux stuff, so just trying to get some advice
[05:05] <BlueEagle> Happy new year!
[05:05] <Elessar86> still 55 minutes :)
[05:08] <_skiy> e1a
[05:08] <Elessar86> well, its burning, im off, thanks for the help guys
[05:11] <matt_> hello
[05:11] <Shadyman> Hi matt
[05:11] <Drakeson> how do you handle mms:// ?
[05:12] <matt_> what's the best way to use a custom kernel with kubuntu?
[05:12] <crimsun> ...just use it?
[05:12] <matt_> drakeson: there's a gstreamer plugin for mms://
[05:12] <kalenedrael> Compile it and reboot into it.
[05:12] <Drakeson> is it working or "kinda working" ?
[05:12] <kalenedrael> More specifically, compile it, install it, reboot into it.
[05:13] <Drakeson> matt_ what kernel?
[05:13] <matt_> what about the packege manager?  Will it overwrite on the next version upgrade?
[05:13] <matt_> drakeson: the Linux kernel...
[05:13] <Drakeson> I mean what version
[05:13] <matt_> 2.6.14
[05:14] <Drakeson> I am on 2.6.15 now
[05:14] <Drakeson> using dapper
[05:14] <kalenedrael> matt_, it will not overwrite it per se, but it will change the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:14] <kalenedrael> I'm using a patched 2.6.13 (for cardbus support)
[05:14] <matt_> kalenedrael: so I'll need to re-change the menu.lst before rebooting after an upgrade?
[05:15] <kalenedrael> You should do that, yes...
[05:15] <kalenedrael> I assume you know how to edit that file.
[05:15] <matt_> have you ever used the make-deb option for the 2.6 kernel?
[05:15] <kalenedrael> Nope, never even thought about it :p
[05:16] <matt_> yeah, I know how to edit menu.lst
[05:16] <kalenedrael> (read 'never knew it existed')
[05:16] <crimsun> makes more sense to use kernel-package
[05:16] <matt_> the stock kernel uses too many modules
[05:16] <kalenedrael> Well, in any case, I know where all the files go and I can purge a kernel entirely if need be, so :P
[05:17] <matt_> and if I want to use my scanner usblp and usb_storage need to be built in or I have to rmmod them every time I want to scan and insmod them when I want to print again.
[05:18] <kalenedrael> I would recommend against building those in.
[05:18] <matt_> why?
[05:19] <kalenedrael> They're... not meant to be...
[05:20] <kalenedrael> It's like building the sound modules in or something, people just don't do it.
[05:20] <matt_> I must say this is the first I've heard of that
[05:20] <kalenedrael> Really?
[05:20] <matt_> yeah
[05:20] <kalenedrael> Well, whatever suits you. I'm not an expert :P
[05:20] <matt_> I've always tried to build as much into the kernel as I can...
[05:20] <khris> how do you launch katapult
[05:20] <jsubl2> i am still waiting for a real reason not to build them in..
[05:20] <kalenedrael> I must say it's the first time I heard of people doing what you did :P
[05:22] <matt_> well I did it because every time I tried to use the scanner on my epson multi-function it said that usblp had controll of the USB port but when I removed the module it worked fine.  I built usblp and usb_storage into the kernel and the problem was gone.
[05:23] <jsubl2> sounds like a valid reason to build then in
[05:23] <kalenedrael> Ok, like I said, I've never heard of anyone building them in, but apparently you guys do, so sure.
[05:24] <Shadyman> anyone here got wpa_supplicant working before?
[05:24] <matt_> jsubl2: you build stuff like that in too?
[05:25] <jsubl2> yeah not lately.  we really don't use the scanner portion except as a copier.. I will definetly make note of your fix..
[05:25] <jsubl2> but,  streamlined hand built kernel normaly will make things faster especially on boot up.. it is just tough to include everything needed
[05:26] <matt_> jsubl2: I think it was because it was using libusb and the scanner module had been taken out of the kernel.
[05:26] <jsubl2> i have seen that here.. i thought the later hpoj stuff was suppose to fix that.  have not kept up with it tho
[05:27] <matt_> isn't that just for hp hardware?
[05:27] <jsubl2> yeah but epson emulates that does it not..
[05:27] <matt_> no idea.  I just used the cx4800 drivers in cups and it worked great
[05:28] <matt_> that was in Debian Testing and I'm seeing that there is no cx4800 driver in Kubuntu....
[05:28] <jsubl2> might need to get an updated ppd from linuxprinting.org
[05:29] <matt_> where do those go?
[05:30] <jsubl2> well you will need to look.. i am in freebsd at the moment.. my guess would be close to /usr/share/cups   search for *.ppd files in that area
[05:34] <matt_> this is odd, they don't even list the cx4800 on linuxprinting.org but I know it was an option in Debian...
[05:34] <Shadyman> matt_: It might have been the CX4600.
[05:34] <Shadyman> matt_: The 4800 is new as of 2 months ago.
[05:35] <Shadyman> Though, it is a great printer either way ;)
[05:36] <matt_> no, i know it was the 4800.  I had to update cups in order for it to be an option.
[05:36] <Shadyman> matt_: Oh :)
[05:36] <matt_> what driver is compatable with the 4800?
[05:36] <jsubl2> matt_, yeah you might need to build that from source
[05:36] <jsubl2> the cups..
[05:36] <Shadyman> matt_: Usually cups
[05:37] <Shadyman> matt_: And if you find a driver for CX4200, it should work as well
[05:37] <matt_> I know that, but I have a list of about 50 printers and none of the 4xxx series is listed
[05:37] <Shadyman> matt_: Weird. 4600 has been around for years.
[05:38] <matt_> thats using the cups that comes with kubuntu 5.10
[05:38] <Shadyman> matt_: Is there one for the C88?
[05:38] <Shadyman> matt_: It might be under Stylus Color CX4[x] 00
[05:40] <matt_> no c88 just c86
[05:40] <bam_> anyone here wanna help with a simple cron issue?
[05:41] <Shadyman> matt_: If there's no C88, then there's most likely no CX4200 or 4800 either. They were released at the same time with the same/similar firmware
[05:46] <Elessar86> hey
[05:46] <Elessar86> anyone still here
[05:46] <Shadyman> No.
[05:46] <Elessar86> lol
[05:46] <Elessar86> how do i combine partitions
[05:47] <Elessar86> i just made one for linux, but when i go to install, it doesnt allow me to use the partition i made, or i dunno how to tell it to use it
[05:47] <Shadyman> once you select the partition, you have to assign it a mount point
[05:47] <Shadyman> so, if it's a linux partition, make it "/"
[05:47] <Elessar86> how do i do that
[05:48] <Elessar86> i have 2 partitions
[05:48] <Shadyman> Are you using the install CD?
[05:48] <Elessar86> and i can see the one i made
[05:48] <Elessar86> yeah i have it on disc
[05:48] <Elessar86> all i want to do is make it install on the new partition
[05:48] <Shadyman> When you're installing, set it to "configure my partitions manually"
[05:48] <Elessar86> yeah, i did that
[05:48] <Elessar86> and it shows both partitions
[05:49] <Shadyman> and then go over the one you set for linux, and hit Enter
[05:49] <Elessar86> bah, mandrake was so much easier
[05:49] <Shadyman> Elessar86: So was fedora.
[05:49] <Elessar86> yeah
[05:49] <Elessar86> i didnt like mandrake though
[05:49] <Shadyman> Once you do that, change "Mount Point" to "/" or "root"
[05:49] <Shadyman> whichever it shows.
[05:49] <Elessar86> ok
[05:49] <Elessar86> well, where do i change the mount point
[05:50] <Shadyman> you should be able to select the partitions with the cursor?
[05:50] <Elessar86> jsut arrow keys
[05:50] <Shadyman> well, yeah.
[05:50] <Shadyman> you should be able to select the partitions with the arrow keys?
[05:50] <Elessar86> yeah
[05:50] <Shadyman> select the linux one and hit Enter
[05:50] <Elessar86> yeah
[05:50] <Elessar86> and thne i see like bootable flag
[05:50] <Shadyman> then it gives you some options
[05:50] <Elessar86> i changed that and made the mistake :P
[05:51] <Shadyman> hehe
[05:51] <Shadyman> what options it give you?
[05:51] <Elessar86> so i jsut changed it back to the main partition and im in safe mode with network
[05:51] <Elessar86> almost cried bc i though ti lost everything
[05:51] <Shadyman> Heh
[05:51] <Elessar86> the thing for the linux was...something like hda/...
[05:52] <Elessar86> cant remember...
[05:52] <Elessar86> bah
[05:52] <Shadyman>  /dev/hda1?
[05:52] <Elessar86> no
[05:52] <Elessar86> ide/hda5
[05:52] <Shadyman> ok
[05:52] <Elessar86> my main (C:) one is hda1
[05:53] <Shadyman> ok
[05:53] <Elessar86> i want it to use the hda5 (linux partition i made)
[05:53] <Elessar86> sry, im not good wit hthis stuff
[05:53] <Shadyman> Ok, so when you go in to edit manually, it'll show you the different partitions
[05:53] <Shadyman> you select the linux one by highlighting it and hitting enter
[05:53] <Elessar86> i can supposedly install a new OS with PM 8...
[05:53] <Shadyman> Doubtful.
[05:53] <Elessar86> ok
[05:54] <Elessar86> but yeah, i select linux part. and then what
[05:54] <Shadyman> then you set hda5 to "format" and make it ext3
[05:54] <Shadyman> and set its mount point to "/"
[05:54] <Elessar86> ok...
[05:54] <Shadyman> then you should be OK.
[05:54] <Elessar86> lol
[05:54] <Elessar86> well, i'll try this again...
[05:54] <Shadyman> the rest of your drives it'll want to map to /media/hda1, /media/hda2, etc.
[05:54] <Elessar86> so i want to format hda5
[05:54] <Shadyman> tat's ok
[05:54] <Shadyman> it'll format hda5 in the installer
[05:55] <Elessar86> ok, i jsut dont want to deleted my c: or anything on it
[05:55] <Shadyman> yeah
[05:55] <Shadyman> it'll have smiley faces beside drives that aren't going to be touched
[05:55] <Elessar86> and after it formats, make it ext3
[05:55] <Elessar86> then mount is /
[05:55] <Shadyman> and a skull and crossbones beside ones that are
[05:55] <Shadyman> those settings should all be in the menu, you do it all at once, then confirm, and it sets everything up
[05:55] <matt_> is it a good idea to use debian packages with kubuntu?
[05:55] <Elessar86> well, when the partitions come up, it shows a smile next to both partitions
[05:56] <Elessar86> so i want the skull and bones next to the linux one?
[05:56] <Shadyman> Elessar86: Yes.
[05:56] <Elessar86> k
[05:56] <Elessar86> thats good to know :)
[05:56] <Elessar86> i was thinking the opposite
[05:56] <Elessar86> well as long as my C: has a smile im happy ;)
[05:56] <Shadyman> go "enter" on the linux one, and set it from "keep partition contents" to "format" or something like that
[05:56] <Elessar86> gonna try to install,
[05:56] <Elessar86> k
[05:56] <Elessar86> thanks :)
[05:56] <Shadyman> no prob.
[05:57] <Shadyman> :)
[05:57] <Elessar86> lets hope nothing goes wrong
[05:57] <dinzdale> are there packages for installing the latest version of kde?
[05:57] <Elessar86> it was saying my actions could not b eundone and they the data woudl b eoverwritten
[05:57] <Elessar86> so i was worried
[06:08] <Elessar86> back
[06:08] <Elessar86> im on my GF's comp
[06:08] <Elessar86> swap space
[06:09] <Elessar86> i WANT to set one up, but dont know how and kubuntu suggests i do it as well
[06:09] <Elessar86> any help
[06:09] <Elessar86> ?
[06:11] <Elessar86> no ones here?
[06:12] <kalenedrael> They've all gone for the New Year's celebration.
[06:12] <Elessar86> damn
[06:12] <Elessar86> i dont know how to make a swap space...
[06:13] <Elessar86> anyone know how to make a swap space?
[06:14] <Elessar86> or able to help me set on eup
[06:14] <Elessar86> please...?
[06:18] <matt_> is anyone using the 6.04 release?
[06:18] <crimsun> I am
[06:19] <matt_> did you install from CD or using adept?
[06:21] <crimsun> I dist-upgraded from Warty
[06:21] <crimsun> Warty->Hoary->Breezy->Dapper
[06:21] <matt_> so all you need to do is change breezy to dapper in sources file?
[06:21] <crimsun> yes
[06:22] <matt_> any major problems with dapper that you've noticed?
[06:22] <crimsun> be aware that we have no qualms about breaking things in Dapper.
[06:22] <Elessar86> hey
[06:22] <Elessar86> im trying to install righ tnow...seems to be going, 6% so far, but how do i make a swap space?
[06:22] <Elessar86> could i do tha tlater in PM 8 or no?
[06:23] <Elessar86> 32%....
[06:23] <Elessar86> so far so good
[06:23] <matt_> elessar86: you should have done that during the partitioning
[06:23] <Elessar86> eh, little late now...
[06:23] <Elessar86> if the instal fails...which i hop it doesnt, how would i make a swap space>
[06:23] <Elessar86> im thinking 500 mb to like 1 gb
[06:23] <Elessar86> i can spare 1 gb if i have to
[06:23] <matt_> crimsun: can I use pieces of dapper with breezy?
[06:24] <crimsun> not recommended
[06:24] <Elessar86> 48%
[06:24] <crimsun> we've already transitioned twice in Dapper with potentially disastrous effects for a mixed system
[06:24] <Elessar86> should it install, would it have had a problem by now?
[06:24] <Elessar86> im up to 50% and no problems yet
[06:25] <matt_> I need the cups version used in dapper but it then wants to upgrade a few other things
[06:25] <Elessar86> 67%
[06:25] <Elessar86> seem slike i made it past any swap space problems
[06:26] <crimsun> matt_: ask for it to be backported to breezy
[06:26] <matt_> crimsun: who would I ask?
[06:27] <crimsun> Mez.
[06:29] <matt_> in IRC or by email?
[06:29] <matt_> is there a faq about requesting backports or anything I should read beforehand
[06:30] <Elessar86> now once this installs, will it let me set up a dual boot???
[06:32] <Elessar86> ?
[06:32] <matt_> where are changelogs kept?
[06:34] <crimsun> matt_: /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog*.gz
[06:34] <crimsun> matt_: request one on the backports mailing list; see lists.ubuntu.com
[06:34] <Elessar86> now once this installs, will it let me set up a dual boot???
[06:35] <matt_> what about changelogs for new versions that aren't installed yet?
[06:35] <crimsun> read them on dapper-changes
[06:36] <matt_> where?
[06:36] <digitalfreak2007> Is anyone having sudo problems with the expert install on kubuntu 5.10?
[06:38] <crimsun> matt_: lists.ubuntu.com, of course
[06:40] <matt_> forgive my ignorance but what can I open a .mbox file with?
[06:40] <Drakeson> konqueror?
[06:43] <matt_> isn't there something that'll open it and format it like an email?
[06:43] <Drakeson> either I am too dumb or there is a serious problem with kaffeine. I can access nothing through mms:// has anyone had a successful story in kaffeine's streaming support?
[06:44] <matt_> do you have an mms:// url that I can try?
[06:44] <crimsun> matt_: why don't you just read the threaded version?
[06:45] <matt_> I wanted to be able to search
[06:45] <matt_> I guess I'll have to
[06:46] <nomasteryoda|w> matt_, thunderbird i think
[06:46] <nomasteryoda|w> and kmail can import them
[06:46] <nomasteryoda|w> qmail
[06:46] <nomasteryoda|w> pine
[06:47] <nomasteryoda|w> digitalfreak2007, nope.... not here
[06:47] <nomasteryoda|w> sudo works fine here
[06:47] <nomasteryoda|w> on all my kubuntu installs
[06:48] <digitalfreak2007> nomasteryoda|w: did you do like the expert setup or whatever you call it, like custom partitioning and all that stuff?
[06:49] <digitalfreak2007> I read in this forum thread about the first user not getting proper sudo rights because of an expert install
[06:50] <nomasteryoda|w> yea
[06:50] <nomasteryoda|w> i do the expert for partitioning
[06:50] <nomasteryoda|w> well, that is if you do the complete expert install
[06:51] <nomasteryoda|w> i do the rest automatic
[06:51] <nomasteryoda|w> i just stop at the part. and set those  to my liking because I have so many other distros and windows to deal with on as many as 5 HD and 20 partitions
[06:51] <nomasteryoda|w> and...
[06:52] <nomasteryoda|w> i always like to have my installs follow this path.. boot, root, home, swap
[06:52] <digitalfreak2007> well i dunno if this matters but i usually don't have a separate partition for /boot
[06:53] <digitalfreak2007> i just put a folder boot on /
[06:53] <digitalfreak2007> so is home
[06:53] <digitalfreak2007> but how do you do the rest automatically?
[06:54] <Shadyman_> I'm back@!
[06:55] <Elessar86> w00t, it installed!
[06:55] <Shadyman_> Killer
[06:55] <digitalfreak2007> Shadyman_: Good you're back maybe you can help me with my problem?
[06:55] <Shadyman_> Maybe.
[06:56] <Shadyman_> What's up?
[06:56] <digitalfreak2007> yeah i am having sudo problems especially with the system settings control panel
[06:56] <Shadyman_> sudo problems?
[06:56] <nomasteryoda|w> you don't choose to do it expert from the start
[06:56] <nomasteryoda|w> thats how
[06:56] <nomasteryoda|w> the partitions you setup are not an issue
[06:57] <digitalfreak2007> i just type in my user password. the kde su dialog box seems to accept it but the settings still says "admin rights needed"
[06:57] <digitalfreak2007> ah ic
[06:57] <digitalfreak2007> so if i choose automatic at the beginning i can still configure my partitions later?
[06:58] <ecarroll> I have a system that has been borked now for about 3months, the window manager incurs major lag on mouse input, I can't figure out what hte problem is, is there an easy way to purge everything in the kubuntu-desktop package, or preferably everything less, ubuntu-minimal
[06:58] <Shadyman_> ecarroll: Yes.
[06:59] <ecarroll> Shadyman_: and that way is?
[06:59] <Shadyman_> ecarroll: You should be able to use the Adept package manager, or apt-get to uninstall kubuntu-desktop.
[06:59] <ecarroll> Shadyman_: kubuntu-desktop is a meta package.
[07:00] <Shadyman_> ecarroll: True, though it should have dependancies on everything under it.
[07:00] <Shadyman_> ecarroll: So if you were to uninstall full or whatever the apt-get option is, it should work, IIRC
[07:00] <ecarroll> and since when has removing a meta package removed its dependencies.
[07:00] <ecarroll> your wrong.
[07:01] <Shadyman_> Most likely.
[07:02] <Shadyman_> There was one package you had to uninstall to get rid of KDE, but I forget what it is.
[07:05] <Shadyman_> Uh
[07:06] <ecarroll> I got it =D
[07:06] <Shadyman_> ecarroll: Nifty.
[07:06] <ecarroll> debfoster h4x
[07:06] <Shadyman_> About time i logged off. heh
[07:06] <Shadyman> Better.
[07:09] <ecarroll>  God i hope this fixes the problem
[07:09] <Shadyman> Ditto.
[07:10] <ecarroll> I imagine it will take me an hour to clean up /usr/ /etc/ and /var/
[07:10] <Shadyman> Ew.
[07:11] <ecarroll> Dopper funness
[07:11] <Shadyman> Ah.
[07:13] <mebsd> how to use xlock in fluxbox? i want it to start screensaver after 15 minutes
[07:16] <ecarroll> xtrlock?
[07:20] <Elessar86> hey
[07:20] <Elessar86> first timer here
[07:21] <Elessar86> i jsut installed linxu
[07:21] <Elessar86> now how do i install programs?
[07:21] <Elessar86> i downloaded kopete and firefox...
[07:21] <Elessar86> ?
[07:23] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install <something>
[07:23] <kalenedrael> If you can't find it, apt-cache search <something>
[07:23] <Elessar86> im used to automatic installers...
[07:23] <Elessar86> :(
[07:23] <kalenedrael> Like apt-cache search gcc, or apt-cache search jabber
[07:24] <kalenedrael> It is automatic.
[07:24] <Elessar86> ok...
[07:24] <Elessar86> what will it do?
[07:24] <Elessar86> i tried extracting the files to usr/local/bin
[07:24] <Elessar86> but it didnt work
[07:24] <Elessar86> said i cant write files there...no permission
[07:24] <Elessar86> but im the olny user
[07:25] <Chameleon22> what settings (maybe wiki page url) do i need to twick to get the damn 5.1 sound working.  So far only 2.1 speakers out of 5.1 are working (although i know others work as well)
[07:26] <crimsun> which ALSA virtual device are you using?
[07:26] <Chameleon22> crimsun, what do u mean?
[07:27] <crimsun> um
[07:27] <crimsun> what are you using?
[07:27] <Chameleon22> a computer?
[07:27] <crimsun> "default"? "plug:surround51"? "plughw:foo"?
[07:27] <Chameleon22> xine player
[07:27] <Chameleon22> oh
[07:27] <Chameleon22> how do i check?
[07:27] <crimsun> argh
[07:28] <crimsun> what virtual device did you select in your a/v app?
[07:28] <Chameleon22> just worked... didnt select anything manually
[07:31] <crimsun> if you didn't select anything manually, how can it possibly work?
[07:31] <crimsun> is it supposed to read your mind or something? ;)
[07:31] <crimsun> start with the app you're using
[09:06] <Elessar86> hey
[09:07] <Elessar86> how do i make it so that on boot up, Win XP is the default OS?
[09:07] <Elessar86> my GF also uses my laptop and i dont want her to have to deal wit hlinux
[09:07] <Elessar86> *with linux
[09:07] <Elessar86> ?
[09:08] <Elessar86> no one...
[09:10] <Snake__> Not sure if there is a way
[09:10] <Snake__> the linux kernal needs to boot first for grub to work
[09:11] <Elessar86> well, i have a dual boot set up
[09:11] <Elessar86> and by default kubuntu is highlighted
[09:11] <Elessar86> and after 10 seconds, will boo tup
[09:11] <seth_k|lappy> Elessar86, open a terminal
[09:11] <seth_k|lappy> type:
[09:11] <Elessar86> i want to change it to XP
[09:11] <Elessar86> im on win xp righ tnow
[09:11] <seth_k|lappy> well write this down then :P
[09:11] <seth_k|lappy> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:11] <seth_k|lappy> find the "Default" line
[09:12] <seth_k|lappy> change it to whatever # XP is
[09:12] <seth_k|lappy> the first entry is 0
[09:12] <seth_k|lappy> so if Windows XP is the 4th entry in the boot list, change Default to 3
[09:12] <seth_k|lappy> save the file, and now XP will be default.
[09:14] <Elessar86> Alright, thanks
[09:14] <Elessar86> now when i save it, just go to menu...etc right
[09:14] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, save it over the old file
[09:14] <Elessar86> yeah
[09:14] <Elessar86> thanks
[09:15] <Elessar86> im having a hell of a time trying to install programs
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> erm
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> sudo apt-get install whatever
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> done
[09:15] <Elessar86> finally got firefox installed a few minutes ago :P
[09:15] <Elessar86> yeah, i did that
[09:15] <Elessar86> whats sudo mean
[09:15] <Elessar86> im new to this stuff
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> SuperUser do
[09:15] <Elessar86> got ya
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> it gives you root (administrator) privileges
[09:15] <Elessar86> and other tips for firsttimers?
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[09:15] <seth_k|lappy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <Elessar86> thanks
[09:16] <seth_k|lappy> best guide there is
[09:16] <seth_k|lappy> :)
[09:16] <seth_k|lappy> or http://wiki.kubuntu.org if you prefer blue (they're the same wiki, with a different theme)
[09:16] <seth_k|lappy> and don't use any repositories except ones sanctioned by Ubuntu for best results
[09:16] <seth_k|lappy> and don't use the program "Automatix"
[09:16] <seth_k|lappy> it breaks systems
[09:17] <Elessar86> ok...
[09:17] <seth_k|lappy> other than that, (k)ubuntu is hard to break. it's a good distro :)
[09:17] <Elessar86> well, this is jsut for me to mess around with
[09:17] <Elessar86> nice
[09:17] <Elessar86> seems to be running fine on my laptop
[09:17] <Elessar86> jsut trying to get used to it
[09:21] <Elessar86> ok
[09:21] <Elessar86> when i go to install gaim, would i just sudo apt-get install gaim
[09:21] <Elessar86> ?
[09:21] <Elessar86> and for this matter, any suggestions on what to ues?
[09:22] <Elessar86> Im a trilian user...and cant use tril on linux i believe
[09:22] <Elessar86> :)
[09:24] <`FuSiOn> howdy.  To get the kernel source, I just need to use adept an install it correct?  I need to be able to recompile the kernel as the instructs for the dual core amd driver say to do...
[09:25] <`FuSiOn> instructions* sorry.. booze from new years :)
[09:28] <endo602> good morning
[09:29] <endo602> seems as though my kde desktop keeps on freezing up
[09:29] <endo602> i just updated to 3.5
[09:29] <endo602> i dont know whats the matter
[09:29] <slow-motion> bye
[09:31] <endo602> when it freezes up i can use the mouse but nothing else works
[10:29] <Link`sAdventure> Does anyone know the command to reconfigure X and/or KDE to use more resolutions
[10:32] <Chameleon22> installed sane, etc. kooka sems to see the scanner but when i actually start it (the app0 i get an error; no sane support... any ideas why and how i can get the scanner working?
[10:37] <N6REJ> I'm having a problem..... I gave my daughter an account on my wifes machine and when she goes to enter her desktop she gets a pop-up that says "sound server informational message" /dev/dsp couldn't be started because she doesn't have permissions.  Its generated by arts.
[10:38] <crimsun> N6REJ: her user needs to be added to the 'audio' group
[10:38] <crimsun> N6REJ: by default only the first user is added to that group
[10:38] <N6REJ> I think I did.  Let me check.
[10:38] <crimsun> N6REJ: has she logged off and back into KDE?
[10:38] <N6REJ> any others she shoudl be added to?
[10:39] <N6REJ> I'd like to have a group for the kids, so that I can just add them to that group and they can play all their games and such.... with 5 kids it gets annoying LOL
[10:42] <N6REJ> wow, I added her to that group but it didn't stick.
[10:42] <N6REJ> ok, I'll try it again.
[10:46] <N6REJ> thanks works now.
[10:46] <N6REJ> btw howdy crimsun
[10:47] <N6REJ> crimsun: you ever played Lbreakout?
[10:47] <crimsun> no
[10:48] <N6REJ> its supposed to be a lan game utilizing udp port 8000 & 8001, do I have to have that open on the router if we just want to play on the lan?
[10:49] <N6REJ> i've never played lan games before.
[10:54] <tid-wave> N6REJ: do you have a switch and a router or just a router for connecting the computers ?
[10:56] <N6REJ> uh... I think the gigafast is both a switch and a router... it does Nat/firewall, port routing, ip tables, has 4 ports and then there is a wireless switch ( belkin :S ) ..
[10:56] <N6REJ> that is acting as a wireless acess point for some of the workstations.
[10:56] <tid-wave> well then make sure UDP packets are routed
[10:57] <N6REJ> tid-wave: even though I don't want them OUTSIDE the lan??  all the machines are nat'd to the 192.168.123.x Class C
[10:58] <tid-wave> that could be a problem
[10:58] <tid-wave> you NAT only for external connections
[10:58] <N6REJ> the router provides the dhcp
[10:58] <N6REJ> dhcp pool that is.
[10:59] <tid-wave> there has to be a way to configure it
[10:59] <tid-wave> make sure that internal connections are not address translated
[11:00] <N6REJ> yeah, I'm sure there is.  the site doesn't provide docs.
[11:00] <tid-wave> try http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:00] <N6REJ> right, we have to use our private ip's not the outside ips
[11:00] <N6REJ> ok, we'll give that a try.. brb.
[11:01] <rolphin> HI, why my screen on kubuntu doesn't handle my backspace key ?
[11:01] <N6REJ> AHA! there's a special server that doesn't show up in the kde menu!
[11:01] <N6REJ> I did a find in konqueror and found it.
[11:02] <rolphin> the only way to make it works is using kconsole screen session which redefine termcap values :/ but I can't have any xterm with screen inside with a valid backspace key
[11:02] <N6REJ> rolphin: there's a keyboard setting in system that lets you change its behavior
[11:02] <rolphin> ho, in system settings or something ?
[11:02] <N6REJ> rolphin: yep
[11:03] <rolphin> I've search out there but didn't find anything
[11:03] <N6REJ> system settings > regional & accessibility > keyboard layout
[11:04] <N6REJ> don't ask me why its split into two places
[11:05] <N6REJ> i'm outa here.. g'nite all
[11:06] <rolphin> anyone with screen backspace key problem ?
[11:10] <penguinzdr> happy new year!
[11:31] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone help me set up a mail server?
[12:11] <lordsok> buon anno a tutti
[12:17] <lighto> I got kubuntu live-cd working :)
[12:17] <lighto> the problem last time was I had a corrupt cd
[12:17] <lighto> tho I still got a few errors while booting
[12:18] <lighto> like "buffer I/o error on device dm-0 logical block ..."
[12:18] <lighto> but it booted up fine
[01:02] <aeon17x> Aw, people are shy today.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> aeon17x: they definetly seem to be - or they have no questions to be answered
[01:44] <laser_tk> !firefox1.5
[01:44] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:54] <fridge> !gtk-config
[01:54] <ubotu> fridge: Are you smoking crack?
[01:54] <nalioth> fridge: answer the question
[01:55] <nalioth> fridge: we want to know
[01:55] <fridge> NEIN
[01:56] <fridge> I'd like to know what package gtk-config is in
[01:58] <nalioth> fridge: install apt-file, run "sudo apt-file update" then apt-file search gtk-config
[01:58] <nalioth> fridge: or the easy way, search packages.ubuntu.com
[02:03] <slow-motion> re
[02:03] <lighto> buffer I/o error on device dm-0 logical block
[02:03] <lighto> I have a corrupt hdd, is that why it gives the error?
[02:06] <lighto> well, but can you help me create a connection under kubuntu?
[02:07] <lighto> I have a router now
[02:07] <lighto> with the old modem it was just one command, typed in the info and the connection was available
[02:27] <yon> hey all
[02:27] <apokryphos> aloha
[02:28] <yon> wen i try get into my email, i get an error saying that i need to get a personal security manager
[02:29] <yon> wat do i need to get?
[02:33] <slow-motion> bbl
[02:57] <berkes> hey there!
[02:57] <berkes> I am used to managing my wireless connections (as su) on a command line, using iwconfig and stuff
[02:58] <berkes> but, i was wondering if there is not some good howto to do this in KDE as a default user.
[02:58] <berkes> just some plain scanning, settings of keys and so on.
[03:01] <berkes> i know I have KWIFImanager.
[03:01] <berkes> but theres very little managing in there :)
[03:36] <slow-motion> re
[03:44] <Yon> can sum1 help me plz, i am struggeling to mount my windows
[03:45] <Yon> i do the mount /dev/hdc /mnt/windows
[03:45] <Yon> and i did creat a folder called windows
[03:45] <Yon> there
[03:45] <Yon> but it doesnt work
[03:46] <chemaja> Yon: unemployment is a problem, yes. (what's the error message?)
[03:49] <Yon> lol
[03:49] <Yon> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:50] <Yon> then i add ntfs to the end
[03:50] <Yon> and it gives me a whole long thing
[03:50] <apokryphos> are you sure your win partition is on /dev/hdc?
[03:50] <chemaja> Yon: "to the end"?
[03:50] <chemaja> Yon: `mount -t auto /dev/whatever /wherever'
[03:51] <Yon> Disk /dev/hdc: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[03:51] <Yon>  <-- my windows hdd is 40gigs
[03:51] <chemaja> Yon: yea, you probably want hdc1
[03:51] <Yon> it still tells me to specifu file type
[03:51] <Yon> like before
[03:52] <chemaja> mount -t auto /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows
[03:52] <Yon> *filesystem type
[03:52] <Yon> ok that worked
[03:52] <Yon> no errors
[03:52] <chemaja> ps. i think kde does this automatically (konqueror's devices tab)
[03:53] <chemaja> yea, you were specifying the wrong device
[03:53] <Yon> oh ok
[03:53] <chemaja> tldp.org
[03:53] <chemaja> read some tutes
[03:53] <Yon> but wen i go to the windows windows there is nothing there
[03:53] <Yon> kk, thx
[03:54] <Yon> why cant i c my windows files?
[03:56] <chemaja> 'windows windows'?
[03:56] <Yon> i mean
[03:56] <Yon> wen i go to mnt/windows
[03:56] <Yon> there is nothing there
[03:57] <chemaja> nfi. wrong partiton maybe
[03:57] <chemaja> or you blew away your files
[03:58] <Yon> hmm, is there a better way to c all ur hdds other then useing shell and typeing fdisk -l?
[03:58] <chemaja> cfdisk
[03:59] <Yon> i got fatal error
[03:59] <Yon> cannot open cfdisk
[03:59] <Yon> FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[04:00] <chemaja> umm
[04:00] <chemaja> man cfdisk :)
[04:01] <Yon> does it matter that its not a partitioned hdd
[04:01] <Yon> its one completly seperate
[04:02] <chemaja> yon: not paritioned? how does it hold a filesystem then?
[04:02] <Yon> i dont know....
[04:02] <JabberWo1ky> Yon: I assume you mean it's one big partition?
[04:03] <Yon> lookm i have a 40gig hdd and a 30 gig, 30gig is partitioned and has linux and sum other windows files the 40gig has windows on it
[04:03] <Yon> its not 1hdd split into 2
[04:04] <JabberWo1ky> They are both partitioned.  The 30gig has two partitions, one with Windows files and one with Linux files, and the 40gig has a big 40gig Windows partition on it.
[04:04] <JabberWo1ky> All HDs have to be partitioned (in general) to have an OS on them.
[04:04] <Yon> oh ok
[04:04] <Yon> i c
[04:05] <Yon> the thing is yesterday it was easy to mount a drive, now it dont know why its not working
[04:05] <JabberWo1ky> (There are a few technical exceptions for some databases, but that's not generally relevant to most people).
[04:06] <chemaja> Yon: pcguide.com is pretty awesome for technical side of partitioning
[04:07] <JabberWo1ky> Hurm.  Type "cat /etc/fstab" to see the partitions that had been detected.  See if one looks like windows.  I don't run Windows, so I don't know how kubuntu interacts with it, sorry.
[04:08] <JabberWo1ky> But that file contains your mountpoints, you might get some insight by looking at it.
[04:08] <chemaja> JabberWo1ky: conversely, i don't run kubuntu, so i don't know how it interacts with Windows :)
[04:09] <Yon> im gonna past a lil bit
[04:09] <_martin_> Hey. Has anyone of you got FireFox 1.5 installed in Kubuntu??? If so, how did you manage to install it??
[04:09] <Yon> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[04:09] <Yon> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[04:09] <Yon> /dev/hdd1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:09] <Yon> /dev/hdd5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[04:09] <Yon> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[04:09] <Yon> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:09] <Yon> /dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[04:09] <Yon> which 1 looks like windows?
[04:10] <chemaja> Yon: none.
[04:10] <Yon> look at hdd1 under options and dump
[04:10] <Yon> that doesnt look do gd does it
[04:10] <JabberWo1ky> None look odd to me (which mean none look like Windows).
[04:10] <_martin_> ^^
[04:10] <chemaja> Yon: none are windows.
[04:11] <Yon> hmm,  brb, gona reboot
[04:11] <chemaja> brb --- later this week --- gona sleep :)
[04:11] <_martin_> Is it possible to get FireFox 1.5 installed in Kubuntu (Breezy)???
[04:20] <Yon> kk, thanks alot
[04:20] <Yon> it works now
[04:27] <jase> can anyone help me on a few probably really simple things?
[04:27] <emjay> hi have problems with thunderbird and ppl in irc.mozilla.org#thunderbird told me to ask here
[04:27] <emjay>  when clicking "Write Message" Thunderbird crashes with this konsole output:
[04:27] <emjay> run-mozilla.sh: line 159:  8975 Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[04:29] <visik7> how can I collaborate on the wiki?
[04:36] <sorush20> help anyone here remember me and my problem.. ?
[04:43] <romain> ktorrent plante :s
[04:43] <romain> kelk c pk ?
[05:08] <bam_> anyone here familiar with the at command
[05:11] <libben> hows dapper right now ?
[05:12] <apokryphos> shaky
[05:14] <libben> i hate the fact that nothing is upgraded anymore =(
[05:14] <libben> i want my new blender =)
[05:15] <hunika> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY
[05:16] <apokryphos> libben: then you'll have to deal with a broken package management system a lot of the time, and general tinkering
[05:16] <kkathman> Happy New Year to you, hunika :)
[05:17] <apokryphos> libben: if you can handle it, go for it; you won't get much help in the chans though, likely :P
[05:17] <libben> =)
[05:18] <libben> i was just about to type that tinkering generally isnt so bad. but if its not even help included in easy way like this chan, then its a deadend so far =)
[05:18] <libben> well, i can allways install blender manually, it works too
[05:18] <apokryphos> I'm sure
[05:19] <apokryphos> is blender using scons/bksys now, isn't it? Might check it out
[05:20] <arcuRADIO> hi (first time in irc -- be gentle!)
[05:21] <ccc_> welcome
[05:23] <apokryphos> arcuRADIO: aloha!
[05:29] <Draken> can someone tell me why i cant get nvidia-glx
[05:29] <Draken> it just seems to not start downloading
[05:31] <Draken> can someone tell me why i cant get nvidia-glx
[05:31] <Draken> it just seems to not start downloading
[05:32] <jpatrick> hello freelove
[05:33] <freelove> hi jpatrick
[05:33] <freelove> jpatrick: happppyyyyyyyy new yr:)
[05:33] <Draken> can someone tell me why i cant get nvidia-glx
[05:33] <Draken> it just seems to not start downloading
[05:33] <jpatrick> freelove: yeah, that too :D
[05:34] <Draken> can someone help me find nvidia-glx-1.0.7667-0ubuntu25.1
[05:34] <kkathman> howdy jpatrick, Happy New Year to you!
[05:35] <jpatrick> kkathman: Happy New Year
[05:36] <kkathman> Draken where are you trying to download it from?
[05:37] <kkathman> !Info nvidia-glx
[05:37] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: has nothing about Info
[05:37] <kkathman> odd its in the repos
[05:38] <jpatrick> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/nvidia-glx
[05:40] <_thumper_> arcuRADIO, what brings you here
[05:40] <jpatrick> happy new year _thumper_
[05:40] <kkathman> the quest for knowledge?? lol
[05:41] <_thumper_> jpatrick ditto :)
[05:42] <_thumper_> anyone have superkaramba still crash with KDE 3.5?
[05:42] <jpatrick> not me
[05:43] <jpatrick> maybe it's the theme's (python!!) fault
[05:43] <_thumper_> I am wondering if it is one of smp issues that only show every now and then
[05:43] <_thumper_> jpatrick, themes are real simple
[05:43] <jpatrick> I know
[05:44] <_thumper_> what I ment was my themes are real simple :)
[05:45] <jpatrick> Oh man, submissions aren't working at Last.fm...
[05:46] <wermut> Has anybody here ever wanted to restore the toolbars to their defaults in konqueror?
[05:47] <jpatrick> wermut: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[05:49] <wermut> This does not affekt the toolbars.
[05:49] <wermut> This does not affect
[05:49] <jpatrick> edit them?
[05:50] <wermut> I messed them up a bit and would like to get back to the defaults
[05:51] <jpatrick> wermut: maybe "sudo apt-get install -reinstall kubuntu-default-settings"
[05:51] <wermut> That would affect a lot more things, wouldn't it?
[05:52] <jpatrick> It would...
[05:52] <jpatrick> maybe
[05:54] <_jang> hallo
[05:55] <hunika> I AM CURRENTLY AWAY
[06:10] <jason> I'm having a strange issue:  I installed apache2 package and all its dependencies, but have no /etc/init.d/apache2 so I tried to install apache and its dependencies, and no /etc/init.d/apache.  If I do a dpkg -L apache, I see htat it should contain /etc/init.d/apache.  The init.d is 755, so that's not a problem.  Any suggestions?
[06:14] <apokryphos> jason: dpkg -l|grep apache2      ...gives?
[06:14] <apokryphos> is it definitely installed?
[06:14] <jason> apokryphos: yep.. seems to be.  also, for apache, dpkg -L apache gives /etc/init.d/apache, and when I extract the deb manually it has the /etc/init.d/apache..
[06:14] <jason> let me go paste to pastebin
[06:15] <apokryphos> thanks
[06:16] <jason> k, pasted
[06:17] <jason> could one of my apt/dpkg related db's be corrupt?
[06:18] <apokryphos> jason: ls /etc/init.d|grep apache2?
[06:18] <apokryphos> I'd find it *very* odd if it didn't come up
[06:18] <apokryphos> there were no errors upon installation?
[06:18] <jason> nope, no errors
[06:19] <jason> jason@moo:/var/log$ ls /etc/init.d | grep apache
[06:19] <jason> jason@moo:/var/log$
[06:19] <apokryphos> jason: sudo apt-get install --reinstall apache2
[06:19] <apokryphos> actually
[06:19] <apokryphos> jason: sudo apt-get install --reinstall apache2 apache2-common
[06:38] (apokryphos/#kubuntu) FHX: all you'd need to paste was the last 5 lines, but hey......
[06:38] (FHX/#kubuntu) x.x i had no idea. sorry. x.x
[06:39] (DjDarkman/#kubuntu) ccc_: StartSocket (tcp): Caught "Permission denied" at first i get at least a 100 of these msgs if i run it from the console
[06:39] <DjDarkman> ccc_: and afterwards i get these StartSocket (udp): Caught "Not connected"
[06:40] <DjDarkman> ccc_: i specified port 411 and i enablet it at my firewall
[06:40] <ccc_> DjDarkman: which version are you using?
[06:41] <FHX> Is there something I can do to fix this error?
[06:41] <apokryphos> FHX: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc  ..gives?
[06:42] <visik7> how can I lock the kde screen from the command line ?
[06:42] <DjDarkman> ccc_: plz w8 my sys is very slow @ the moment
[06:43] <vega-> how 1337
[06:43] <FHX> apokryphos: http://pastebin.com/486153
[06:44] <apokryphos> FHX: somehow I don't think that's the result of the command I gave you :P
[06:44] <apokryphos> visik7: DCOP!
[06:44] <FHX> apokryphos: Uh..is it -I or -L?
[06:44] <visik7> KDE 4 To Support OS X Dashboard Widgets !!!! ROCKS!!!!!
[06:44] <jpatrick> visik7: SuperKaramba
[06:45] <apokryphos> FHX: paste it -- it's lower case
[06:45] <visik7> jpatrick: I think that dcop is the solution
[06:45] <FHX> apokryphos: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 7 2005-12-28 02:49 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.0
[06:45] <apokryphos> as I suspected ;-)
[06:45] <apokryphos> might want to try compiling with gcc-3.4
[06:45] <apokryphos> visik7: it is
[06:45] <apokryphos> visik7: dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock
[06:46] <ccc_> DjDarkman: no problem :) i wanted to check if you're using a new version, since the cvs is being update regularly... i haven't seen the problems you have. if you install the latest cvs and still have problems, maybe you should ask in #linuxdc++
[06:46] <FHX> Hm..what does that mean? how do I compile with gcc 3.4?
[06:46] <Patry> anybody can help me with Kubuntu please? I'm new to this. I would like to know why when running KUser it seems to load but it doesn't pop a window and a few seconds later, it closes like nothing happen.
[06:46] <apokryphos> FHX: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[06:46] <DjDarkman> ccc_: it says 0.0.20050809 cvs-1~mird
[06:46] <visik7> apokryphos: thanks
[06:46] <ccc_> DjDarkman: there are other dc++ clients, for example Valknut/dcgui-qt, but imo it is really bad
[06:46] <FHX> okay installed
[06:46] <DjDarkman> ccc_: i tried both
[06:47] <apokryphos> FHX: then sudo rm /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/g++ && sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc && ln -s /usr/bin/g++-3.4 /usr/bin/g++
[06:47] <ccc_> DjDarkman: ok, i _really_ recommend you build your own version instead of using that package. it is very old
[06:47] <apokryphos> heh
[06:48] <DjDarkman> ok ccc_ i`ll try
[06:48] <FHX> ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/g++' to `/usr/bin/g++-3.4': Permission denied
[06:48] <visik7> apokryphos: I notice that under gnome the lid.sh lock the screen isn't it implemented for kde or I've miss something in the installation of kubuntu-desktop to get it work ?
[06:48] <FHX> apokryphos: ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/g++' to `/usr/bin/g++-3.4': Permission denied
[06:48] <apokryphos> FHX: stick a sudo in front of the last ln
[06:49] <apokryphos> FHX: so now just enter:  sudo ln -s /usr/bin/g++-3.4 /usr/bin/g++
[06:49] <FHX> Yup
[06:49] <FHX> nothing happens
[06:49] <FHX> o.o
[06:49] <apokryphos> perfect -- silence is golden (in UNIX)
[06:49] <kkathman> lol
[06:49] <apokryphos> FHX: now, configure again
[06:49] <FHX> Oh. XD okay. *one more new thing learned today*
[06:49] <apokryphos> FHX: you should always specify the kde prefix when ./configure on kde apps, though
[06:50] <DjDarkman> what is the name of the program ,where i can manage the running servicees?
[06:50] <apokryphos> DjDarkman: kde system guard
[06:50] <FHX> apokryphos: Hm..how do I specify the kde prefix?
[06:50] <apokryphos> FHX: in ubuntu it's /usr, so   ./configure --prefix=/usr
[06:50] <spikeh> apokryphos: after following the tutorial, I'm getting an error message "Could not initialize the browser's security component"
[06:50] <apokryphos> :/
[06:50] <ccc_> DjDarkman: good luck. just ask if you need help with it
[06:50] <DjDarkman> apokryphos: theres another ,that`s just for the servicees like apache
[06:51] <FHX> configure done, making
[06:51] <FHX> oh wait
[06:51] <FHX> no
[06:51] <DjDarkman> ccc_: thanx ,i hope i`ll be able to fix this
[06:51] <apokryphos> spikeh: haven't gone through the install I'm afraid; might worth mentioning that in #ubuntu
[06:51] <FHX> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.
[06:51] <FHX> Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss
[06:51] <FHX> bleh. didn't know it was that many lines. -.- should've paste-bin'd.
[06:52] <apokryphos> FHX: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc && ls -l /usr/bin/g++
[06:52] <apokryphos> two lines isn't too bad 8)
[06:53] <FHX> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 16 2006-01-02 01:49 /usr/bin/g++ -> /usr/bin/g++-3.4
[06:53] <apokryphos> that's it?
[06:54] <samuelkr> what do i write i console to check what kernel device configurations i have?
[06:54] <visik7> samuelkr: !?!?!?
[06:54] <kkathman> samuelkr: for pci devices lspci
[06:55] <samuelkr> stoarage/network/communications/multimedia...
[06:55] <FHX> Yup, that's it.
[06:55] <apokryphos> FHX: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc    ...then
[06:55] <apokryphos> FHX: also just clarify that you have g++, do sudo apt-get install g++-3.4
[06:56] <apokryphos> then you definitely shouldn't get problems :-O
[06:56] <kkathman> sampan: storage:  du -f
[06:56] <kkathman> or a variety of others
[06:56] <visik7> samuelkr: zcat /proc/config.gz
[06:57] <FHX> apokryphos: Hm..it is installing again the g++
[06:57] <FHX> O.o
[06:57] <apokryphos> that's fine
[06:57] <samuelkr> zcat: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory
[06:57] <kkathman> yah wth?
[06:57] <kkathman> zcat?
[06:58] <kkathman> oh wait I know what that is...reads a compressed file (if it exists)
[06:58] <samuelkr> kkathman visk7 send it--
[06:58] <FHX> apokryphos: Just wondering while it's installing, what actually is the problem? *is trying to learn* XD
[06:59] <apokryphos> FHX: ksmoothdock can't handle being compiled with the newer compiler, I presume.
[06:59] <axiom> I am trying to get the default profile back in konqueror, and the faq instructions don't work.  I am on kubuntu with KDE 3.5
[06:59] <apokryphos> FHX: gcc transitions produce big changes
[06:59] <FHX> Oh..I see. So everytime something's outdated I have to use a different compiler
[06:59] <kkathman> samuelkr: thats something unique to visik7 system...not standard in ubuntu unless you have gz file to look at
[07:00] <apokryphos> FHX: not necessarily, but with make errors like that one suggest it
[07:00] <kkathman> my system doesnt have it either samuelkr
[07:00] <samuelkr> k any clue where my should be?
[07:00] <kkathman> samuelkr: is there something specific you are looking for?
[07:01] <samuelkr> my driver configuration for my kernel...
[07:01] <Patry> what is a dcopserver?
[07:01] <murr> !yafray
[07:01] <ubotu> murr: Wish i knew
[07:01] <FHX> apokryphos: Ah okie. Installation done.
[07:01] <kkathman> sampan: all the device configs are in /proc
[07:02] <visik7> dcopserver is the server for KDE's Desktop Communications Protocol
[07:02] <kkathman> samuelkr:  please explain what you mean by "driver configuration"
[07:02] <kkathman> visik7:  uh yes...what about it?
[07:02] <kkathman> ohh hehe
[07:02] <apokryphos> !dcop
[07:02] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, apokryphos
[07:03] <apokryphos> argh, that's actually been deleted -- I added it in the past
[07:03] <kkathman> Patry: Uncle Google can tell you what it is in detail if you wish
[07:03] <Patry> well I get the error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified.... when using KUser
[07:03] <FHX> ubotu: I wub you. XD
[07:03] <ubotu> FHX: I haven't a clue
[07:03] <FHX> Hm..yeah. I heard that the bot keeps getting its memory wiped.
[07:03] <visik7> kkathman: I'm answering to Patry
[07:03] <kkathman> right hehe
[07:03] <samuelkr> what drivers and IRQ puts my stoarage and network, mutlimedia is useing...
[07:04] <kkathman> Patry: can you check to see that DCOP is started please
[07:05] <Patry> where?
[07:05] <FHX> Hm..should I run gcc?
[07:05] <kkathman> Patry: either use ps aux in a konsole,  or run ksysguard
[07:06] <kkathman> Patry: look for "dcopserver"
[07:06] <samuelkr> understand me now kkathman?
[07:07] <Patry> yes it's there
[07:07] <kkathman> samuelkr: if you are under KDE, try browsing through the system settings
[07:08] <samuelkr> nothing in system settings
[07:08] <Patry> well it seems to be fixed, I clicked OK on the error msg and KUser opened
[07:08] <kkathman> lol
[07:09] <samuelkr> kkathman found some things in kinfocenter
[07:09] <Patry> another quick question, in the Network Settings, why is it impossible for me to see the Administrator Mode button?
[07:09] <kkathman> Patry you are running it as a regular user?
[07:09] <samuelkr> kkathman but not what i whanted :/
[07:09] <kkathman> samuelkr: excellent
[07:09] <Patry> well I'm running it as the user I first created in the Kubuntu installation
[07:10] <kkathman> samuelkr: I dont think there is a specific place where everything is kept..however you can look at your devices in their respective area..ie. the network settings in Network, etc
[07:10] <kkathman> Patry: you are running as a regular user and not root, right?
[07:10] <Patry> well in Kubuntu you can't login as root...
[07:10] <kkathman> Patry: that error comes up sometimes when you switch users
[07:10] <visik7> how can I get lock screen on a laptop when I close the monitor ??
[07:11] <kkathman> Patry: good :)   some people are very ignorant and enable the root when they shouldnt
[07:11] <FHX> apokryphos: do I run  the old compiler? (alt+f2 + g++)?
[07:11] <FHX> ._. i won't run.
[07:11] <FHX> *it
[07:11] <Patry> well I'm just trying to get the damn Administrator Mode button so I can try to fix my network settings ;-)
[07:12] <kkathman> Patry: if you have recently installed, you'll need to do your first Adept Update. That will fix the Administrator bug problem
[07:14] <Patry> ah ok I see
[07:14] <Patry> I did adept-updater in Alt+F2, typed the password and now I see: Changes: install 0, upgrade 0, etc.
[07:15] <kkathman> Patry: did you click on the bottom where it says "Fetch Updates" ?
[07:15] <Patry> but also Currently 962 installed, 0 upgradable, 1275 available packages
[07:15] <Patry> nope, let me see
[07:15] <Patry> Update Complete, Good Bye!
[07:15] <kkathman> Patry and nothing listed?
[07:16] <Patry> well it loaded and said Update Complete...
[07:16] <kkathman> Patry you are running breezy?
[07:16] <FHX> How do I run g++?
[07:16] <Patry> now the detection of my platform window is gone rapidly but still no Administrator Mode
[07:16] <Patry> yes Kubuntu 5.10
[07:16] <kkathman> hmm
[07:17] <Patry> installed it yesterday
[07:18] <kkathman> Patry could you please get a listing of your /etc/apt/sources.list  and paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.com
[07:18] <Patry> what I don't understand is the in the network settings it says eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> Manual Enabled Ethernet Network Device but Konqueror won't work for Internet, only computer browser
[07:19] <douglas> Hello, I can't get my printer to work. It works when I add a printer and do the test page but not in any other way. Noob.
[07:20] <Patry> I'm in /etc/apt now I did a ls and I see sources.list. How can I get the listing of it?
[07:20] <kkathman> Patry: just open it in kate or gedit or whatever editory you are comfortable with
[07:21] <Patry> what line do you want exactly? because it's on another computer not linked to Internet (I can't make it work)
[07:22] <hunika> I AM BACK
[07:22] <FHX> How do I run g++?
[07:23] <rev> Patry: If you brought up the interface manually and you are using some kind of router do "route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>"    (instead of <IP_ADDRESS> use your router IP)
[07:24] <SpentCasing> i just got a linksys wpc54G wireless card, where can i get the drivers to set it up?
[07:25] <Patry> how do I know my router's IP?
[07:25] <kkathman> Patry: alt-f2, then type kate
[07:25] <kkathman> then open that file
[07:26] <christopher> Hello, I need to change some folder access permissions. I am new to kubuntu and the 'no root' thing. How do I change the folder permissions?
[07:27] <Patry> rev, how do I find it?
[07:27] <kkathman> find what?
[07:27] <Patry> my router IP to do a route add default gw route_IP_here
[07:27] <douglas> to get to root you can do sudo and then use your user password
[07:28] <christopher> douglas, how do I do sudo?
[07:28] <rev> SpentCasing: I think that card needs ndiswrapper to work under linux
[07:28] <douglas> just open a terminal or press ctrl alt f1 (f7 to get back)
[07:29] <SpentCasing> k im looking into that now...
[07:29] <kkathman> Patry: chances are your router is what rev told you it was
[07:30] <Patry> so one problem at a time, why can't I see the Administrator Mode button in the Network Settings - System Settings? I can see it somewhere else tough (Connection for instance)
[07:31] <rev> the kde network panel never worked for me ;D
[07:31] <kalenedrael> :P
[07:31] <christopher> douglas, So i press 'ctrl+f1'. As the user name I type 'sudo' and the password is my password.
[07:31] <mcscruff> is there an alternative to the windows "copy" command in ms-dos?
[07:31] <Patry> ok maybe it's the Host name?
[07:31] <kalenedrael> I just use the command line. I think it beats the
[07:32] <kalenedrael> gah
[07:32] <kalenedrael> I think it beats the GUI config utils.
[07:32] <douglas> sorry if you pressed f1 then you need to sign on first. User name and then password then do sudo
[07:32] <Patry> can I put whatever I want in the host name or what?
[07:32] <douglas> as in the name you use to sign on when you set your system up.
[07:33] <Shadyman> hey guys
[07:34] <visik7> how can I control konversation from dcop ?
[07:35] <christopher> douglas, does sudo only work on the command line?
[07:35] <douglas> christopher, you can also get a console by using start and then terminal sesion and then pick one. It will be running under the gui
[07:36] <rev> Patry: did you assign <IP_ADDRESS> to your network card?
[07:36] <Patry> how do I do that?
[07:36] <christopher> douglas, thanks for your help
[07:36] <Shadyman> Why does AmaroK crash all the time?
[07:36] <rev> Patry: ehm no...I just wanted to know if YOU were the one giving it the IP or the router DHCP server
[07:36] <Patry> in the panel there is a green check so I guess it should work...
[07:37] <Patry> no I get a static ip from my cable modem
[07:37] <douglas> you can make it do a real root by <sudo su> or <sudo -i>
[07:38] <douglas> exit to get out of su
[07:38] <kkathman> rev: I imagine the router is, if hes DHCP
[07:38] <Patry> it might be the Domain Name System
[07:38] <kkathman> douglas: please dont enable the root
[07:38] <douglas> I mean type "exit"
[07:38] <rev> kkathman: yup
[07:38] <visik7> Shadyman: run it from konsole and see what it says
[07:38] <christopher> ok thanks
[07:38] <corona> hello i have a display problem with openoffice writer in fluxbox. the fonts are really big and there is no window title bar surrounding it!!! happy new year!
[07:39] <douglas> kkathman, why not for a temp problem?
[07:39] <Shadyman> visik7: Ok, i'll do that
[07:39] <kkathman> douglas: there is absolutely no reason for root...use sudo
[07:39] <kkathman> sudo is the superior model
[07:40] <sampan> roots are for trees!  save the trees! use sudo!
[07:40] <Spudchat> this is going to sound stupid...but im in /etc/init.d/ and im trying to restart the sound server
[07:40] <Spudchat> any idea what its called?
[07:40] <Shadyman> GStreamer-Warning ***: pad audioscale0:src has no event handler
[07:40] <kkathman> lol sampan :  Happy New Year my friend !
[07:40] <sampan> hey kkathman :)  happy new year to you as well! :)
[07:41] <kkathman> sampan: Hope your celebration was festive and sane :)
[07:41] <Patry> how can I change manually my host name/domain name without using the kde panel?
[07:41] <douglas> Hello, I can't get my printer to work. It works when I add a printer and do the test page but not in any other way. Noob. HELP!!
[07:42] <kalenedrael> Change it in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname.
[07:42] <kkathman> Patry at a konsole yu can try sudo dhclient eth0
[07:42] <sampan> kkathman  it was indeed -- wife and i stayed home and celebrated "quietly"      :X  and yours?
[07:42] <rev> Spudchat: it's called artsd but there is no init script, restart it through KDE -> System Settings -> Sound & Multimedia
[07:42] <Patry> and what is it going to do?
[07:42] <kkathman> douglas: do your applications point to the appropriate printer?
[07:43] <Spudchat> thanks a bunch :) problem is fixed
[07:43] <douglas> how do you tell?
[07:43] <douglas> lets start with firefox
[07:44] <kkathman> douglas: when you open an app, go to the Print preview and check to see that the printer you installed is set as default for that app
[07:44] <Patry> woah it worked!
[07:44] <Patry> Internet is working now with the dhclient eth0!
[07:45] <kkathman> ok, douglas... go to File / Print...      that should bring up a panel to check the default printer
[07:45] <Spudchat> once again thanks for helpin me guys...have a happy new year
[07:45] <douglas> yes firefox lists my printer under print
[07:46] <kkathman> douglas: now you need to click that to make it the default, if it wasnt already the one that was showing
[07:48] <rev> Patry: maybe you want this in your /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6460 - open it with your favorite text editor, delete everything after you made a backup and paste it in
[07:48] <kkathman> Patry: did you ever paste your sources.list?
[07:48] <Shadyman> visik7: Of course it doesn't crash now, when i run it from console. *eyeroll*
[07:48] <Patry> how come sudo dhclient eth0 worked?
[07:49] <Patry> is it temporary or something?
[07:49] <douglas> I only have one printer. I don't see a way in firefox to make it the default but it is the one listeded and in configure kde modual it is the default with cups
[07:49] <kkathman> Patry: its a direct CLI command
[07:49] <Patry> what is CLI?
[07:49] <jpatrick> Patry: command line
[07:49] <kkathman> douglas: so when you bring up that window in Firefox, it has cups/yourprinter in that box?
[07:49] <Patry> but why sudently it made Internet work?
[07:50] <kkathman> Patry dhclient also enables the eth0
[07:50] <kkathman> it might have been disabled for some reason
[07:50] <kkathman> but you have a more serious issue if you cant update
[07:50] <jpatrick> kkathman: no "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[07:51] <rev> Patry: with kkathman command your pc asked your router for an IP and the correct gatewayaddress, nothing else has to be done, if you want this automatically at bootup do what I wrote a few lines above
[07:51] <kkathman> rev is right
[07:51] <Patry> ok wait
[07:51] <Shadyman> How should I configure WPA_Supplicant in init.d so it loads correctly on boot? Right now it just sits at "Configuring Network Interface" and "waiting for network interface to come up" for 5 minutes.
[07:51] <kkathman> jpatrick: quite possibly, but running dhclient should have fixed that I reckon
[07:52] <douglas> all it lists is the printer name that I gave the printer on install.
[07:52] <Patry> I'll boot just to see if I have to delete my /interfaces and paste what you asked
[07:53] <douglas> hp-deskjet-6540
[07:53] <Patry> if Internet works, I won't have to do it I guess
[07:54] <kkathman> douglas: does it not precede it with "cups" ?
[07:54] <douglas> no
[07:54] <kkathman> hmm
[07:54] <douglas> I think cups maybe broken somehow
[07:54] <kkathman> douglas is your printer like on a windows machine and youre sharing it?
[07:54] <_tobias> Is there any Qt app like Synaptic.? I just don't like "Adept"...
[07:54] <douglas> no it is on a home desktop and I am not sharing it.
[07:55] <kkathman> _tobias: synaptic still works fine as does kynaptic if you are so inclined
[07:55] <_tobias> Or can I make Synaptic look more Qtish.?
[07:55] <jpatrick> _tobias: why not?
[07:55] <kkathman> douglas: ahh hmm, why cups then?
[07:55] <_tobias> kkathman: I will try kynaptic...
[07:55] <Patry> it worked rev, does it mean I don't have to copy/paste this thing you told me in my /etc/network/interfaces?
[07:56] <kkathman> I use cups, douglas but only because my printer is hooked to my winbox and i share it on my network
[07:56] <_tobias> jpatrick: well, I'm used to synaptic. I like the feeling of it more than Adept.
[07:56] <rev> Party: yes, probably ... I should have worked the first time too though
[07:57] <Patry> now what about my sources.list?
[07:57] <douglas> well because I tried it with LPR and it did not work so I tried it with cups hoping that maybe it needed it. I am new to all this so I just tried it out that way.
[07:57] <douglas> could cups be in the way of LPR?
[07:57] <kkathman> Patry did you paste that in the paste.ubuntu-nl.com ?
[07:58] <kkathman> douglas: typically on your linux system, cups wouldnt necessarily be needed if your printer is attached directly to your box
[07:58] <douglas> makes sense
[07:58] <douglas> I will get rid of it then.
[07:58] <Patry> nope but why would you want that?
[07:59] <SpentCasing> has anyone tried to setup i wireless card here, im confused
[07:59] <kkathman> Patry: what I suspect, is that you have some repositories disabled...you can just check them if you want
[07:59] <Patry> to fix what exactly?
[07:59] <_tobias> thanks for the help kkathman, kynaptic looks nice...
[07:59] <_tobias> well, have to go...
[07:59] <_tobias> happy new year. ;)
[08:00] <SpentCasing> or does anyone know of a good card a can buy and setup with little frustration?
[08:00] <kkathman> Patry: just check to see  that the CDROM line is commented out and that the universe/multiverse line DOESNT have a comment on it (comments are preceded with a #)
[08:01] <kkathman> I suspect that your sources.list might still have the CDROM line uncommented, which is why you cant update from the repos
[08:01] <Patry> ok wait a second
[08:05] <apokryphos> FHX: no, by default now it's set to use gcc 3.4, so should be fine.
[08:05] <douglas> ok cups is gone. Also hplip the hp printer driver seems to only want cups.
[08:06] <FHX> apokryphos: I tried reinstalling and got this error: http://pastebin.com/486190
[08:06] <douglas> printer still does not work nor can I seem to add it.
[08:06] <FHX> *recompiling, not resintalling
[08:06] <SpentCasing> when i try to enable my card it just automatically disables it why?
[08:07] <hunika> hello somebody can help to me. I have a small problem
[08:07] <jpatrick> hunika: speak...and we will help
[08:08] <hunika> jpatrick: I use kopete messenger and I have yahoo and msn contacts and I can see their pictures but they can not see mine
[08:08] <apokryphos> FHX: weird; can you link me to the tar.gz?
[08:08] <Patry> got my notice kkathman?
[08:08] <Patry> take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6461
[08:09] <Patry> hmm indeed as I look at them they are still commented... dumb me
[08:09] <FHX> apokryphos: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6585
[08:09] <Shadyman> What options should i be using in the init.d file for wpa_supplicant with ndiswrapper? I'm using ENABLED=1
[08:10] <hunika> jpatrick: I tried to install other icons but I could not
[08:10] <Patry> it says I don't have the permission. how can I edit it as root?
[08:11] <hunika> jpatrick: kopete had not accepted them
[08:11] <Shadyman> patry: kdesu kate
[08:12] <kkathman> Patry: exactly what I said it was
[08:12] <Patry> yes I just realised it
[08:12] <Patry> kdesu kate sources.list?
[08:12] <kkathman> Patry please do this:   on line 1 put a # at the front of the line
[08:13] <kkathman> Patry then on lines 5,6, 10, 11  remove the # at the first of the line. Save the file and paste it back again
[08:13] <Patry> I don't have the permissions
[08:13] <hunika> kkathman: can you help me please
[08:13] <Patry> how can I modify it as root (complete command)?
[08:13] <kkathman> Patry alt-f2 kdesu kate
[08:13] <kkathman> hunika, I'll try
[08:14] <kkathman> Patry then edit that file as I said, save it, and paste the contents back so I can see it
[08:14] <hunika> kkathman: I use kopete messenger and I have msn and yahoo contacts and I can see their pictures but they can not see my contact photo.
[08:14] <kkathman> hunika you've uploaded your pic ok?
[08:14] <hunika> kkathman: another problem is that yahoo messenger users can not send to me files
[08:14] <hunika> kkathman: I have uploaded my pic
[08:14] <Patry> couldn't I just edit it in Konsole?
[08:15] <hunika> kkathman: If it is a png file that is  a problem for windows?
[08:15] <kkathman> hunika: I think the send files thing is a bug in kopete
[08:15] <kkathman> hunika try to im me under msn
[08:16] <hunika> kkathman: ok but i need your address
[08:16] <kkathman> see my pm to you
[08:16] <visik7> the package acpi-support of kubuntu is different from the one in ubuntu ?
[08:16] <kkathman> Patry no...please use kdesu kate
[08:16] <Patry> ok
[08:18] <Patry> and I save it in /etc/apt/ as source.list?
[08:22] <Patry> argh that's what I said, I don't have the permissions
[08:24] <kkathman> Patry:  yes
[08:24] <kkathman> Ok..
[08:25] <kkathman> Patry...  alt-F2  and type      kdesu kate
[08:25] <kkathman> the kdesu is mandatory
[08:25] <Patry> done, the file is on my desktop
[08:25] <jpatrick> or "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:25] <Patry> but now I can't change it to the newone
[08:25] <kkathman> cuz that lets you modify at root
[08:25] <hunika> Tm_T: Hello kkathman told me that you worked with kopete messenger. I am experiencing some problems, can you help me please
[08:27] <markuman> is there no .kde/share/apps/kdm folder in kubuntu?
[08:27] <kkathman> Patry...ok lets try a different way
[08:28] <Patry> kdesu kate /etc/pat/sources.list does nothing
[08:28] <Patry> *apt
[08:28] <kkathman> Patry can you open a konsole please
[08:28] <kkathman> Patry the type this    sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:29] <Patry> yup
[08:29] <kkathman> then use the cursor arrows and make those changes I said
[08:29] <Patry> ok done and updated, thanks
[08:29] <kkathman> line 1   add the # at the front     5,6,10,11  remove the #
[08:29] <Patry> that's all I wanted, a command ;-)
[08:30] <kkathman> Patry cat  /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure the changes took
[08:30] <Patry> yes it did when I ^X
[08:30] <kkathman> patry then paste the contents again to the pastebin.ubuntu-nl.com
[08:32] <hunika> Tm_T: are you there??
[08:32] <Patry> do I uncomment the other lines at the bottom too?
[08:33] <kkathman> Patry I didnt see any other lines at the bottom on your paste, so I dont know what those are
[08:33] <kkathman> Patry could you paste the WHOLE file in the pastebin please
[08:34] <penguinzdr> guys can you do me a favor?
[08:34] <Shadyman> Maybe
[08:34] <penguinzdr> please, try to join #freenode-newyears and tell me are you banned
[08:34] <SpentCasing> can someone help me with ndiswrapper
[08:35] <kkathman> !ndiswrapper
[08:35] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:35] <Shadyman> penguinzdr: No.
[08:35] <penguinzdr> f****
[08:35] <penguinzdr> :(
[08:36] <Shadyman> Sort of a funny question. I've never been before, so why should I be banned? :P
[08:36] <penguinzdr> why i'm banned, i've not flooded the channel, not inviting
[08:36] <Shadyman> penguinzdr: Ask them ;)
[08:36] <penguinzdr> who?
[08:36] <Shadyman> penguinzdr: Exactly.
[08:36] <kkathman> Patry - did you paste your file?
[08:37] <penguinzdr> who should i ask?
[08:37] <Patry> nope I'll edit it wait
[08:37] <Shadyman> penguinzdr: No one. Just wait it out
[08:37] <penguinzdr> oh my
[08:37] <penguinzdr> i'm banned from #freenode too
[08:38] <Patry> I edit the whole file (deleted all required # in front of websites)
[08:38] <Shadyman> penguinzdr: Could we take this to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[08:39] <penguinzdr> ok
[08:39] <SpentCasing> my wireless card shows as an unknow device is that normal?
[08:39] <SpentCasing> when i do lspci
[08:40] <Patry> I did a adept-updater andnow all the filed are loading
[08:40] <Patry> I see all of them
[08:40] <Patry> Changes OK, Commit
[08:41] <SpentCasing> i basically get a fatal error when i try to load the module
[08:42] <Shadyman> Can someone do me a favor please? If you have wpa_supplicant, could you pastebin your /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant file for me?
[08:43] <kkathman> Patry you did a sudo apt-get update before that right?
[08:44] <Patry> no just alf-f2 kdesu adept-updater
[08:45] <Patry> argh does this mean it won't work since I'm not root?
[08:45] <hunika> does exists winamp or a new version of xmms for linux
[08:45] <Patry> oh forget that, I typed my root passwd earlier
[08:46] <Patry> but why should I do sudo apt-get update instead?
[08:46] <kkathman> Patry: you need to do that
[08:46] <kkathman> well
[08:46] <Patry> how come?
[08:46] <Patry> kdesu adept-updater can't work aswell?
[08:46] <kkathman> Patry: honestly Im not sure..but typically, after you change your sources.list, you need to do an apt-get update
[08:47] <kkathman> adept, might use its own database tho
[08:47] <Patry> well it seems to work for now
[08:47] <kkathman> but if you DONT do the update, and you try to do an apt-get install from the CLI, it wont work
[08:47] <Patry> my sources.list is fine now
[08:48] <kkathman> so after your update is done, please do the sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <kkathman> then everything will be fine
[08:48] <Patry> ok I will
[08:48] <hunika> kkathman: I have another I think small problem. I can not use my floppy drive in linux, i can not mount it, like my windows partition
[08:48] <kkathman> Patry: also, when the adept is done, your admin mode should work too
[08:48] <Patry> I would like to know now how can I do a MOTD at every start of my terminal
[08:48] <Patry> was it a KDE bug?
[08:49] <kkathman> hunika: can you see it ??
[08:49] <hunika> kkathman: yes i can
[08:49] <kkathman> i.e. does the system see the drive?
[08:50] <hunika> kkathman: yes the system sees the drive
[08:50] <kkathman> hunika whats the FDD desination on your system
[08:50] <SpentCasing> how could i updrade my modules or updrade ndiswrapper?
[08:51] <hunika> kkathman: system:/media
[08:51] <kkathman> hunika: probably fd0 ??
[08:51] <hunika> kkathman: i have two floppy and fd0
[08:51] <kkathman> hunika: fd0 will be in the /dev and floppy0 s/b in /media
[08:52] <Tm_T> ?
[08:52] <kkathman> hunika: you tried a mount?
[08:52] <Tm_T> hunika: what about kopete?
[08:52] <hunika> kkathman: i tried but i could not
[08:52] <murph2481> newbie here...
[08:52] <kkathman> hi murph2481 :)
[08:52] <murph2481> how do i get to the other partitoins (ie windows) from kubuntu
[08:52] <hunika> Tm_T: Others can not see my contact photo, but I can see their's
[08:52] <murph2481> hello :) everything is up and running so i am happy about that
[08:52] <Yon> hi all. im trying to get my music and videos to play off my windows hdd, now i have mounted the hdd but none of the files work
[08:53] <hunika> Tm_T: I have installed contact photo
[08:53] <kkathman> murph2481: try running konqeror and you should see them through smb:/
[08:53] <Yon> is there a music player i should dl that will help me?
[08:53] <hunika> Tm_T: and yahoo users can not send me files
[08:53] <kkathman> brb
[08:53] <Tm_T> hunika: ah, what version of Kopete?
[08:53] <hunika> Tm_T: kkathman told you can help me
[08:53] <hunika> Tm_T: Kopete 0.11
[08:53] <murph2481> well these are local partitions
[08:53] <Tm_T> hunika: and yahoo... I'm not sure does it support file transfer
[08:54] <hunika> Tm_T: new version of yahoo suports file transfer
[08:54] <murph2481> i can see them under /media
[08:54] <apokryphos> it doesn't, unfortunately
[08:54] <Tm_T> hunika: and if it does, might be your firewall
[08:54] <murph2481> but i cannot get to them it has a lock on it
[08:54] <hunika> kkathman: opinion about my floppy drive
[08:54] <Patry> kkathman, in /etc/motd I got http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6462 but when I open a terminal I don't see that, is it normal?
[08:54] <apokryphos> hunika: but Kopete with Yahoo plugin doesn't, I believe.
[08:54] <Tm_T> hunika: check your global identity
[08:54] <hunika> Tm_T: I am using kubuntu, I don't have a firewall
[08:54] <Tm_T> hunika: yes you do
[08:55] <hunika> Tm_T: how can I reach my firewall settings. I am using linux for 2 months
[08:55] <apokryphos> Kopete uses 6891 for transfers
[08:55] <Tm_T> hunika: but, I don't use yahoo myself
[08:55] <murph2481> how do i mount devices?
[08:56] <Tm_T> hunika: you have router? nat?
[08:56] <apokryphos> Tm_T: still, I don't think yahoo protocol on kopete supports file transfers yet
[08:56] <hunika> Tm_T: in windows language? What is that? :)
[08:56] <Yon> can any1 help me
[08:56] <Yon> ?
[08:56] <apokryphos> !helpme
[08:56] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[08:56] <hunika> Tm_T: in beginners language :)
[08:56] <hunika> Tm_T: please
[08:57] <Tm_T> apokryphos: I think so too
[08:57] <Yon> i cant get music to play from my hdd that i mounted
[08:57] <Yon> wat do i need to do?
[08:57] <Shadyman> Yon: Can you get music to play on your regular drive?
[08:57] <Yon> yip
[08:57] <Yon> well, i did once
[08:58] <Tm_T> ok, I'm too dizzy to think, see you later ->
[08:58] <Yon> i dont know wat i did
[08:58] <Yon> or wat formatt the file was tho
[08:58] <Shadyman> Yon: Waht kind of music?
[08:58] <hunika> Tm_T: ?
[08:58] <Yon> i was thinking that it was the player i am useing
[08:58] <kkathman> ok back
[08:59] <hunika> kkathman: Tm_T I think got away, he told me that kubuntu has firewall? It is true?
[08:59] <hunika> kkathman: if it is how can I configure it
[08:59] <Yon> i have all kinds
[08:59] <Patry> kkathman reply please
[08:59] <Yon> mp3, wma
[08:59] <Yon> and a few others
[09:00] <kkathman> hunika firestarter
[09:00] <kkathman> !firestarter
[09:00] <ubotu> well, firestarter is Ubuntu has, like every other Linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is Firestarter, which can be installed via Breezy's "Add Applications" or Synaptic
[09:00] <hunika> kkathman: but i have just the basic package, i don't have firewall
[09:00] <kkathman> you should have it
[09:00] <hunika> kkathman: i think i don't have the program
[09:00] <kkathman> hunika: install it
[09:00] <hunika> kkathman: why?
[09:00] <hunika> kkathman: why i need for linux that?
[09:00] <kkathman> hunika: well, you dont need to if you have a router I reckon
[09:01] <hunika> kkathman: what is a router?
[09:01] <hunika> kkathman: i am at a larger network in my hometyown
[09:01] <hunika> kkathman: we all connect to a city-server
[09:01] <Yon> shadyman, wat music player do u use?
[09:01] <hunika> kkathman: they have antivirus, firewall and everything
[09:02] <hunika> kkathman: anyway for linux why i need a firewal
[09:02] <hunika> l
[09:02] <kkathman> hunika: you connect your computer directly to your modem?
[09:02] <hunika> kkathman: i do not connect to a modem, I connect to a cable
[09:02] <hunika> kkathman: it is like cable - television
[09:03] <Yon> how do u get a personal security manager on?
[09:05] <hunika> kkathman: so should i install firestarter, i have downloaded kmyfirewall but I have not installed it
[09:05] <kkathman> hunika: its up to you
[09:06] <markuman> how to install a splashscreen ? http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=35 dont work, there is no "splash screen" section in kubuntu.
[09:06] <hunika> kkathman: in your opinion for my security should i install or not?
[09:06] <hunika> kkathman: in windows i have zone alarm
[09:06] <ninHer> hi all
[09:06] <hunika> kkathman: firestarter is something like that?
[09:06] <kkathman> I think what Tm_T was saying is that if you DID have firestarter, it might be blocking things from people sending you things
[09:06] <Yon> does any1 know or have that problem?
[09:07] <kkathman> yes firestarter is a front end for iptables
[09:07] <hunika> kkathman: yes, but i don't have firestarter
[09:07] <hunika> kkathman: anyway i install it
[09:08] <Yon> kkathman, do u know wat a PSM is? (private security manager)
[09:09] <kkathman> Yon no
[09:09] <kkathman> hunika: if you WANT firestarter...just sudo apt-get install firestarter
[09:09] <hunika> i got it in the reporsitories
[09:10] <hunika> kkathman: i think i can handle with it
[09:10] <hostel> hello
[09:11] <SpentCasing> can someone please help me setup my wireless card
[09:13] <hunika> kkathman: I have installed firestarter but i can not see it's icon in the K menu
[09:13] <murph2481> I have MP3's on a windows partition how do i get to it? I can see them in media/ but they have a lock on them
[09:15] <apokryphos> murph2481: so you can't copy them over, can't run them?
[09:15] <murph2481> right all i can see is hda1 with a lock on it
[09:15] <murph2481> and nothing is in the mnt directory
[09:17] <IanE> 3
[09:18] <murph2481> apokryphos:any suggestions?
[09:18] <apokryphos> murph2481: the windoze drive is mounted? What are you mounting it with?
[09:19] <murph2481> apokryphos: nothing is mounted other then what happens at startup for kubuntu
[09:19] <apokryphos> murph2481: so mount your windoze partition
[09:20] <apokryphos> you can use this tool to do it automagically for you:
[09:20] <murph2481> apokryphos: sorry newbie here :) how would i do that
[09:20] <apokryphos> !fstab
[09:20] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[09:20] <apokryphos> murph2481: download and execute that file
[09:21] <apokryphos> murph2481: wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter && sudo sh diskmounter
[09:21] <murph2481> Ignoring /dev/hda1 - already in /etc/fstab
[09:21] <murph2481> Ignoring /dev/hda5 - already in /etc/fstab
[09:21] <murph2481> No usable windows/mac partitions found
[09:22] <murph2481> :(
[09:22] <murph2481> those hda1 and hda5 are windows partitions
[09:22] <apokryphos> murph2481: oh, so they *are* already mounted
[09:22] <apokryphos> ok, fine
[09:23] <apokryphos> murph2481: so if you go to /media/whatever/files can't you copy them over to your Kubuntu partition?
[09:23] <murph2481> apokryphos: those partitions are like 5 times the size of the linux one
[09:23] <troth> what does BREAK(install) mean in adept?
[09:24] <apokryphos> murph2481: try it with one file -- does it work?
[09:24] <murph2481> apokryphos: i cannot get to those files in /media it has a locked icon on the folder
[09:25] <apokryphos> murph2481: paste the entries of those entries in fstab, here
[09:25] <murph2481> apokryphos: how do i do that?
[09:25] <apokryphos> murph2481: fstab is located in /etc/fstab
[09:26] <murph2481> /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[09:26] <murph2481> /dev/hda5       /media/hda5     ntfs    defaults        0       0
[09:27] <apokryphos> murph2481: ok, in both cases replace "defaults" with "umask=0222"
[09:27] <apokryphos> save the file, then sudo mount -a
[09:28] <murph2481> appokryphos: how do i open a file in Kate with root priveledges?
[09:29] <murph2481> aprokryphos: it says i cannoth write to the file if i just open it and change it
[09:29] <apokryphos> murph2481: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[09:29] <apokryphos> murph2481: yup, files in /etc/ are owned by root (as they're related to system-wide configurations)
[09:30] <troth> is there any alternative to ndiswrapper?
[09:32] <osh_> troth: there's some web thingy that you'll have to pay for. Doesn't the linux drivers work for you? You really need windows-drivers?
[09:32] <murph2481> apokryphos: You do not have enough permissions to read file:///media/hda1
[09:32] <apokryphos> murph2481: where do you get that message?
[09:32] <apokryphos> murph2481: did you successfully save and then sudo mount -a ?
[09:33] <murph2481> apokryphos: after i changed everything you said to change
[09:33] <troth> ndiswrapper kepps error-ing out. this is the first time ive tried to get a wirell card to work on my laptop, very frustrating
[09:33] <murph2481> apokryphos: i saw it in /media trying to click on hda1 in konqueror
[09:33] <murph2481> apokryphos: yes rean the sudo mount -a with no issues
[09:33] <troth> is linux just not made for wifi ywt?
[09:34] <troth> cant type today
[09:34] <osh_> troth: works out of the box for me. What kind of card you got?
[09:34] <apokryphos> murph2481: curious; I'm not sure why it insists on root perms. Hold on a sec.
[09:34] <troth> linksys wpc54g
[09:35] <murph2481> apokryphos: thanks :)
[09:35] <troth> what card do you use, ill buy it if it works out of the box
[09:35] <murph2481> troth: mine works out of the box...i have netgear super G atheros chipset
[09:35] <murph2481> troth: kubuntu is the second distro other than knoppix 4.0 to recogize it
[09:36] <osh_> troth: http://www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=linux+wireless&btnG=Google-s6kning&meta=
[09:36] <troth> i love knoppix
[09:36] <troth> that 4.0 dvd was great
[09:37] <murph2481> troth: i do too but wanted to see what the craze is with kubuntu/unbuntu
[09:37] <osh_> troth: lcpci of my card... 0000:03:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
[09:37] <murph2481> troth: and because it works with my wireless card thought i would give it a try...but lots of things are different like the mounting of the other partitions i am haveing issues with
[09:38] <troth> when i do lspci how do i know which one is my card?
[09:39] <troth> murph2481: do you know the model number of your card?
[09:40] <murph2481> troth: hold on :)
[09:40] <murph2481> troth: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG311T.php
[09:41] <troth> im on a laptop
[09:42] <troth> i must have wireless access, and i dont want to have to resort to installing windows
[09:42] <murph2481> troth: well i do lots of game playing and other stuff so i have both but i know the feeling
[09:42] <hunika> I AM CURRENTLY AWAY
[09:42] <hunika> I AM BACK
[09:43] <murph2481> troth: i know the feeling about the wireless card...linux is a bitch about that
[09:43] <troth> i cant belieb\ve a wireless card is this much of an ordeal
[09:43] <xtacocorex> hunika: if you type /away <message> you go away and type /away to come back
[09:43] <murph2481> troth: linuxant will let you for $20 will solve all your wireless problems
[09:44] <troth> ya i checked them out
[09:44] <murph2481> troth: http://www.linuxant.com/company/ (i never got ndiswrapper to work ever)
[09:45] <murph2481> troth: my friend has that and uses it for OpenSUSE and says its great...for $20 all your problems go away
[09:45] <apokryphos> murph2481: hm, I really have no idea why it's not working, though it's not working for me here too. Weird; those options necessitate that it should be readable by all users, and not just root.
[09:46] <murph2481> apokryphos: thats good you can replicate it I dont feel stupid :)
[09:46] <bipolar> how do I open the history sidebar in konq?
[09:47] <murph2481> apokryphos: got another one for you....my wireless setup.  It works (obviosuly i am online) but how do i get it to work automatically?
[09:47] <LiGhTeNiN> could someone help me set up an internet connection with router under kubuntu?
[09:48] <murph2481> apokryphos: everytime i boot i have to go to setup and click activate config 1 for wireless setting in KDE and then run a konsole and type 'dhclient'
[09:48] <xtacocorex> murph2481: install wifi-radar from the repos
[09:48] <apokryphos> LiGhTeNiN: connect it up, then sudo dhclient
[09:48] <LiGhTeNiN> finally, help!
[09:48] <LiGhTeNiN> thankyou
[09:48] <LiGhTeNiN> but what do you mean by connecting up
[09:48] <xtacocorex> murph2481: i had that same problem when i took my laptop to school, wifi radar does it all for you
[09:49] <murph2481> xtacocorex: will that fix it so i dont have to manually do it everytime i boot up
[09:49] <murph2481> where do i get it?
[09:49] <xtacocorex> murph2481: i'd search synaptic if you have it installed, otherwise sudo apt-get install wifi-radar
[09:49] <apokryphos> LiGhTeNiN: connect the LAN cable from the router, to your computer
[09:49] <xtacocorex> murph2481: (it being synaptic)
[09:49] <stefano> synaptic is obsolete
[09:49] <stefano> adept
[09:50] <patry> I'm trying to install irssi but apparently gcc can't find gcc, how can I fix that?
[09:50] <LiGhTeNiN> oh, ok, I'll see if I get it working, thankyou
[09:50] <xtacocorex> stefano: i couldn't get used to adept
[09:50] <murph2481> yea adept is awesome
[09:50] <murph2481> got it
[09:50] <sven> evening, I used to download a multimedia repository list from wiki.ubuntu.com to install mplayer but now I cannot find it anymore... :(
[09:50] <apokryphos> !mplayer
[09:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[09:50] <murph2481> xtacocorex: alright got it with adapt now what if i goto internet and run it nothing happens
[09:51] <xtacocorex> murph2481: all you have to do is set the networks in the program and it should automatically pick them up on boot
[09:51] <murph2481> xtacocorex: alright lets test that theory BRB
[09:51] <xtacocorex> murph2481: you'll have to set it up first
[09:54] <patry> so anybody knows about gcc?
[09:55] <ecarroll> No one knows about gcc.
[09:55] <kalenedrael> Um, it's a compiler. :P
[09:55] <Yon> has any1 installed mozilla?
[09:56] <Yon> coz i am having problems with it.
[09:56] <murph2481> xtacocorex: nogo still had to run everything manually but in startup i did see it start wifi-radar demon
[09:56] <patry> yeah I know that but how can I make it work with irssi
[09:57] <xtacocorex> murph2481: you have to tell it the networks
[09:57] <murph2481> xtacocorex: how do i do that?
[09:57] <ecarroll> Yon: You apear to be a 13yr old when your sentences have 'any1', and 'coz'.
[09:57] <xtacocorex> murph2481: kdesu wifi-radar
[09:57] <stefano> adept is teh rox
[09:57] <ecarroll> patry: Don't ask to ask, don't look for confirmation on your questions, just ask them.
[09:57] <xtacocorex> it'll bring up (i think) a python gui that lists the networks in range
[09:58] <xtacocorex> murph2481: if you call it from kmenu, it'll want to use gksudo, so you might want to change the calls with the menu editor sometime
[09:59] <murph2481> xtacocrex: my ssid broadcast is turned off....when i type that command in konsole nothing happens
[10:00] <murph2481> got another dumb question...how do i install firefox...the adept program gets deerpark RC3...i want 1.5
[10:00] <xtacocorex> murph2481: hmm, i wonder if it needs the broadcast
[10:01] <xtacocorex> murph2481: i usually run it with the mini cli (alt+f2)
[10:04] <murph2481> any suggestions on getting firefox installed?
[10:04] <murph2481> stable version 1.5
[10:04] <Blissex> murph2481: 'tar x' it in '/usr/local/firefox15' for example?
[10:05] <murph2481> well yes that will unzip it to a directory
[10:05] <murph2481> but how do i get it to the menu and such?
[10:05] <Blissex> murph2481: well, easiest thing is to just drag-and-drop it to the desktop.
[10:05] <Blissex> murph2481: that will create a symlink.
[10:06] <Blissex> murph2481: else just right click on the K Menu and select 'Menu editor' and add a new menu entry.
[10:06] <xtacocorex> murph2481: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99004
[10:07] <LiGhTeNiN> dhclient command didnt work
[10:07] <LiGhTeNiN> got this 'failed to get attributes of etc/resolv.conf
[10:07] <xtacocorex> murph2481: another how-to from the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79283
[10:08] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[10:08] <m_tadeu> has anyone tryed x11r7?
[10:09] <LiGhTeNiN> xtacocorex: can you help?
[10:10] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: what are you trying to do?
[10:10] <LiGhTeNiN> trying to connect to internet under kubuntu
[10:10] <LiGhTeNiN> I got a router
[10:10] <stefano> seems to work :)
[10:11] <murph2481> Blissex: alright untar-d now what?
[10:11] <murph2481> Blissex: what file do i run?
[10:12] <Blissex> murph2481: where did you untar it to?
[10:12] <LiGhTeNiN> I did the 'sudo dhclient' command and got 'failed to get attributes of etc/resolv.conf No such file or directory' error
[10:12] <murph2481> "/home"
[10:12] <Blissex> murph2481: a bit lame, the tradition is to 'untar' to '/usr/local'
[10:12] <murph2481> i do not have permissions...
[10:13] <Blissex> murph2481: but it would be something like 'sh /home/firefox/firefox' for example
[10:13] <murph2481> Blisse: alright how do i specify where to untar?
[10:14] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: are you adding your network card when you run dhclient?
[10:14] <Blissex> murph2481: you first 'cd' to that. Like 'cd /usr/local && tar -xz -f /tmp/firefox-1.5.tar.gz'
[10:15] <murph2481> Blissex: k that makes sens hold please :)
[10:15] <Blissex> murph2481: if you do that then 'sh /usr/local/firefox/firefox' will start it
[10:15] <LiGhTeNiN> xtacocorex: you mean if I typed eth0 after it? no, should I have written?
[10:15] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: i'd try sudo dhclient eth0
[10:15] <Blissex> murph2481: ideally create a symlink to start it easier: 'ln -s /usr/local/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox' for example
[10:16] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: i'm searching the forums because i haven't had to do this, so bear with me if stuff doesn't work right away
[10:16] <LiGhTeNiN> xtacocorex: I havent had to do this either, first time, back then when I had a modem it was so easy, just the pppoeconf command
[10:17] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: are you on a wired network?
[10:17] <stefano> he's on a weird network xD
[10:17] <murph2481> Blissex it is now in the correct directory
[10:18] <LiGhTeNiN> yes @ wired
[10:18] <murph2481> Blissex: if i open konsole and jump to that directory and type sh firefox nothing happens
[10:19] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: did that work?
[10:19] <Blissex> murph2481: that should really not happen. Try 'sh -x firefox'. It may also be rather slow to start BTW.
[10:19] <Tadpole> wat is the best mp3 player to get?
[10:19] <murph2481> nothing
[10:19] <apokryphos> amaroK, JuK
[10:20] <m_tadeu> Tadpole: amaok
[10:20] <LiGhTeNiN> xtacocorex: did what work?
[10:20] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: sudo dhclient eth0
[10:20] <LiGhTeNiN> I havent tried to add eth0 yet
[10:20] <xtacocorex> LiGhTeNiN: oh, ok
[10:21] <LiGhTeNiN> Ok, I'ma try
[10:21] <Tadpole> m_tadeu, do u mean amarok?
[10:21] <murph2481> Blissex: edited a link in the menu and gave it the command '/usr/local/firefox/firefox'
[10:22] <murph2481> but nothing happens
[10:22] <Blissex> murph2481: try the 'sh -x' to see if it crashes or whatever.
[10:23] <murph2481> sh-3.1$
[10:24] <m_tadeu> Tadpole: sorry..yep
[10:24] <Blissex> murph2481: that was 'sh -x ...../firefox'
[10:25] <murph2481> i get a bunch of crap and nothing happens
[10:25] <murph2481> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:26] <Tadpole> m_tadeu, it cant read mp3's tho
[10:26] <Blissex> murph2481: so you need the right C++ shared library.
[10:27] <Blissex> murph2481: Breezy has a newer C++ shared library than Firefox needs. Just install the older one.
[10:27] <m_tadeu> Tadpole: do you get any error?
[10:27] <murph2481> Blissex: is there anything i can add to apt to get the correct version?
[10:27] <Blissex> murph2481: yes, just specify the right one.
[10:27] <apokryphos> murph2481: install the package containing that file
[10:28] <Tadpole> m_tadeu, wen i try to add it to media it tells me some media could not be loaded(not playable)
[10:28] <murph2481> Blissex: in adept all I see is firefox 1.5RC3
[10:28] <apokryphos> murph2481: install libstdc++5
[10:29] <Blissex> murph2481: dont worry about that, it is the C++ library that you need, the file indicated by <apokryphos>
[10:29] <m_tadeu> Tadpole: never got that one...maybe you should reach the amarok channel
[10:30] <libben> is kde 3.5 working with breezy? and if so? why isnt it updated in a normal update?
[10:31] <apokryphos> libben: it's upgraded in a kubuntu repo
[10:31] <apokryphos> it's not in the main repository because Breezy has already been released
[10:31] <Tadpole> m_tadeu, i am using files from a mounted drive
[10:32] <libben> is there any gui improvements in 3.5?
[10:32] <apokryphos> though, I'd have hoped it'd be in the Ubuntu backports repo, but it wasn't put there :/
[10:32] <murph2481> Blissex: you are my hero! thank you
[10:32] <murph2481> Blissex: it is working now and learned a lot thanks for you patients
[10:33] <m_tadeu> Tadpole: it can be anything, as far as I know...database, maybe. you realy should ask in the amarok channel, they're in a better position to help you
[10:33] <Tadpole> k thanks :)
[10:33] <Blissex> murph2481: and <apokryphos> too. Also, consider having a look at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion it is a far more complete process, even if a bit too complicated.
[10:33] <apokryphos> yup, that's what I recommend
[10:34] <stefano> guys, need some help with the english language
[10:34] <murph2481> now if i could just figure out the mounting problem
[10:34] <Blissex> stefano: get an english speaking girlfriend :-)
[10:34] <stefano> i am about to get one :) but shes in france
[10:35] <tarmath> hi lads, Im wondering if anyone would know of a location where I could grab an extensive listing of the user groups in /etc/group and their meaning, I know most of them but not all of them and Im quite curious as to what the others might be doing
[10:35] <Blissex> stefano: complicated work :-)
[10:35] <stefano> maybe you can help me though
[10:36] <stefano> i want to say "hooray" in a rethorical complicated and important sounding way
[10:36] <tarmath> lol
[10:36] <murph2481> anyone else have a suggestions on the windows partition problem
[10:36] <murph2481> i am using Dapper Flight 2
[10:37] <tarmath> fantasticalicious?
[10:37] <stefano> wow thank you thats amazing
[10:37] <stefano> :>
[10:38] <troth> does anyone know of a good wireless card i can pick up from best but that is linux friendly?
[10:38] <xtacocorex> troth: netgear wg511, but make sure it's made in taiwan as the ones made in china won't work
[10:39] <troth> k ive been trying this linksys and im giving up
[10:39] <xtacocorex> troth: i've only gotten it to work in kubuntu though, i got it to light up in fedora, but that was the most on that side
[10:40] <troth> i got kubuntu on my laptop so thats god news
[10:40] <troth> *good
[10:40] <xtacocorex> troth: than you should be set, the card shouldn't be that expensive, just hard to find a taiwan made one
[10:41] <troth> do i still have to use ndiswrapper or anything?
[10:41] <xtacocorex> troth: nope, it uses the prism drivers that are built into the kernel
[10:42] <troth> i asked a "worst buy" employee for a card with a prism chipset, him nor the "geek squad" knew what i meant
[10:42] <xtacocorex> troth: i ended up pissing one of them off when they wanted to do that 'system checkup'
[10:43] <troth> lol :)
[10:43] <xtacocorex> troth: they didn't cater to the fact that i run linux and know more than them
[10:43] <XiCillin> how do i take a screenshot in kde?
[10:43] <XiCillin> print screen button doesn't work
[10:43] <troth> ya it seems that way
[10:43] <xtacocorex> XiCillin: ksnapshot
[10:44] <XiCillin> thansk
[10:44] <xtacocorex> XiCillin: np
[10:45] <Shadyman> How do I make the Master volume control the PCM output?
[10:46] <Blissex> Shadyman: not so easy on some cards.
[10:47] <Shadyman> Blissex: and on other cards?
[10:48] <Blissex> Shadyman: on other cards you don't do anything. :-)
[10:48] <Shadyman> oh.
[10:50] <xtacocorex> troth: hope you can find one of those cards
[10:52] <troth> xtacocorex: yeah im gonna check now thx
[10:53] <xtacocorex> troth: cool, good luck
[10:56] <demiurg> #ubuntu.ru
[11:00] <demiurg>
[11:01] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[11:01] <Lord_Athur> I've got a question, is there anybody?
[11:01] <xtacocorex> demiurg: try /join #ubuntu.ru
[11:01] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: what is your question?
[11:02] <Lord_Athur> xtacocorex, I've got a kubuntu 5.10 system
[11:02] <Lord_Athur> sorry orex, I've got a kubuntu 5.04system
[11:03] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: ok
[11:03] <Lord_Athur> but I have problems with the letters in the graphical enviroment
[11:03] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: what do you mean by that?
[11:04] <Lord_Athur> other users cannot understand me in xchat or other programs when I put a `'
[11:04] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: the backtick doesn't work?
[11:04] <Lord_Athur> and if I move the cursor to the left the following part is clear
[11:04] <Lord_Athur> xtacocorex, maybe
[11:04] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: is it ` or '?
[11:05] <Lord_Athur>
[11:05] <Lord_Athur> '
[11:05] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: because  i really have no idea what your problem could be
[11:05] <Lord_Athur> :S
[11:05] <Lord_Athur> can this be a problem with the locales?
[11:05] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: it might be since i just saw the o thing that you typed
[11:06] <_ubuntu> hello
[11:06] <Lord_Athur> hi _ubuntu
[11:07] <Lord_Athur> xtacocorex, that wrong
[11:07] <_ubuntu> i am newbie to ubuntu  and was wondering if you could boot ubuntu from a partition of a remote drive ?
[11:07] <Blissex> _ubuntu: how remote?
[11:07] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: i don't know anything about the locales, but it could also be a bug or something within X
[11:08] <_ubuntu> well its not a network drive just an external hard drive
[11:08] <Lord_Athur> yes
[11:08] <Lord_Athur> xtacocorex, I've been changin the xorrg configuration
[11:08] <Lord_Athur> xtacocorex, i'll be re-configuring it
[11:08] <Lord_Athur> bye all
[11:08] <demiurg>
[11:08] <xtacocorex> Lord_Athur: that could be it
[11:09] <Tm_T> demiurg: agreed
[11:09] <xtacocorex> demiurg: you need to type /join #ubuntu.ru
[11:09] <xtacocorex> demiurg: sorry, my bad
[11:10] <demiurg> che vse ploho
[11:10] <prakash1> hello
[11:10] <demiurg> hello
[11:11] <prakash1> i am newbie to kde
[11:11] <prakash1> and am looking for information about configuring the OS to boot up from an external hard drive partition
[11:20] <LiGhTeNiN> xtacocorex: adding eth0 to the end changed nothing
[11:20] <tarmath> hi lads, Im wondering if anyone would know of a location where I could grab an extensive listing of the user groups in /etc/group and their meaning, I know most of them but not all of them and Im quite curious as to what the others might be doing
[11:20] <LiGhTeNiN> tho I somehow managed to get rid of the error I got, net still didnt work
[11:21] <stefano> tarmath: i know such a thing, but its in german
[11:21] <stefano> isnt there anything in wikipedia?
[11:21] <LiGhTeNiN> can someone help me set up a connection with router under kubuntu?
[11:21] <stefano> tarmath: or try google.com/linux
[11:22] <tarmath> hmm I havent tried wikipedia
[11:23] <tarmath> lets see
[11:24] <tarmath> ok, give me that page in german
[11:25] <stefano> lol
[11:25] <tarmath> Ill babelfish it something I dont care if the output is crap it's better than nothing
[11:25] <stefano> www.linuxfiebel.something (dont remember the tld, google for linuxfiebel)
[11:25] <tarmath> I cant believe theres no such thing as an extensive listing of groups
[11:25] <stefano> ask linus torvalds =)
[11:28] <tarmath> bah its not on that site either
[11:32] <Stormx2> Heya
[11:32] <Stormx2> Anyone about? Thinking of installing kubuntu, can't stand GNOME anymore >_<
[11:32] <Tm_T> oooh
[11:32] <Tm_T> good thinking ;-P
[11:32] <Stormx2> right
[11:32] <Stormx2> well
[11:33] <Milktea> What's Breezy's equivalent for Hoary's Alien command?
[11:33] <Stormx2> Milktea: alien
[11:33] <Milktea> o_o
[11:33] <Milktea> sudo: alien: command not found
[11:33] <Stormx2> Milktea: You need to install the alien package
[11:33] <seth_k|lappy> install it
[11:33] <Stormx2> Milktea: sudo apt-get install alien
[11:33] <Milktea> oops ^^;
[11:33] <Milktea> sudo: alien: command not found
[11:33] <Milktea> oops
[11:33] <Stormx2> >.<
[11:33] <Milktea> Which packages should I get for OpenGL Direct Rendering, 3D ACceleration, OSS Sound for ATi Mobility Radeon 9700
[11:34] <Milktea> Xorg Version 6.8.2
[11:34] <Blissex> Milktea: look at the ATI restricted drivers. Not sure they support the Mobility Radeon 9700 though.
[11:34] <Blissex> Milktea: there is a specific page about them
[11:35] <Milktea> Where can I find the list of restricted drivers?
[11:35] <Stormx2> On kubuntu, what kind of support is there for 1) FTP Clients (I know gnome can mount ftp sites with "Connect to server", and I hate gftp) 2) Editors (I use screem for PHP, HTML, JS and CSS editting) 3) Instant Messengers (I know about amsn, does GAIM work on kubuntu?) 4) IRC Clients (XChat?)
[11:36] <Chousuke> Stormx2: all Ubuntu software works perfectly on kubuntu
[11:36] <Stormx2> Chousuke: Brilliant, ok. But its not native though, does it look a bit odd on KDE?
[11:36] <Chousuke> I think you can make it look a lot like KDE.
[11:37] <Stormx2> Chousuke: And what about "Connect to server", thats from GNOME's places menu. What FTP client do you use, if any?
[11:37] <Chousuke> I'm not a KDE user myself. I've read lots about it though. :)
[11:37] <Chousuke> KDE includes KIOslaves which I hear are the best thing since sliced bread.
[11:37] <Stormx2> lol
[11:37] <Stormx2> OK
[11:37] <Chousuke> you can access ftp in any app with KIOslaves
[11:37] <Chousuke> it's transparent
[11:38] <Stormx2> KIOslaves?
[11:38] <Stormx2> GNOME is imposible to work with, Windows is so slow, XFCE is too much like gnome (but a little less bulky, but still too bulky), so I'm gonna try KDE
[11:38] <Chousuke> it's some kind of KDE peculiarity.
[11:38] <nalioth> Stormx2: use ratpoison
[11:39] <Chousuke> allows you to access files through many protocols as if they were local.
[11:39] <Stormx2> nalioth: For FTP, or are you being sarcastic?
[11:39] <Chousuke> or something like that.
[11:39] <Stormx2> Ah good good.
[11:39] <Chousuke> and probably other stuff too.
[11:39] <nalioth> Stormx2: i just saw your list of DEs you don't like. ratpoison has little to dislike
[11:40] <Stormx2> Right
[11:40] <Stormx2> Well
[11:40] <Stormx2> i can work with any of them
[11:40] <Stormx2> but
[11:40] <Stormx2> I'm a perfectionist when it comes to workareas >.<
[11:40] <Chousuke> nalioth: is ratpoison a DE?
[11:40] <Chousuke> Stormx2: just experiment!
[11:40] <nalioth> !info ratpoison
[11:40] <LiGhTeNiN> can someone help me set up a connection with router under kubuntu?
[11:40] <ubotu> ratpoison: (Simple window manager with no fat library dependencies), section universe/x11, is extra. Version: 1.3.0-7 (breezy), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
[11:41] <Milktea> I got the ATi driver for my Mobility Radeon 9700, but when I alien'd it, I get lots of errors :<
[11:41] <Chousuke> try all you can find and pick your poison (not necessarily ratpoison)
[11:41] <Stormx2> Right, I'm off to try kubuntu. One last question, will all the apps get added to the GNOME menu?
[11:41] <Tm_T> you mean KDE?
[11:41] <Stormx2> KDE apps, yeah.
[11:41] <Tm_T> yu
[11:42] <LiGhTeNiN> can someone help me set up a connection with router under kubuntu?
[11:42] <Chousuke> Stormx2: are you on ubuntu now? you can install kubuntu on ubuntu directly.
[11:42] <kitsch> hey. anyone know how to configure the knotify notification boxes? i'd like to resize and move kopetes notification box to the bottom of the screen
[11:42] <Yon> is there a way that everytime u login console auto opens and types in a few commands?
[11:42] <Stormx2> Chousuke: No, but I know you can just get kubuntu-desktop, yeah.
[11:42] <Chousuke> Stormx2: ok, good. :)
[11:42] <Stormx2> Chousuke, nalioth, thankyou for the help
[11:43] <LiGhTeNiN> so, noone is going to help me set up a connection?
[11:43] <nalioth> LiGhTeNiN: perhaps ask in #ubuntu
[11:43] <Chousuke> hm
[11:43] <LiGhTeNiN> oh ok, i'll try
[11:43] <Chousuke> Can't find info on kioslaves on google ;P
[11:44] <Chousuke> hmm
[11:45] <Stormx2> Im going to reboot into ubuntu. Cya soon
[11:47] <Chousuke> Meh.
[11:47] <Milktea> Where canI get the proper drivers for an ATi Mobility Radeon 9700?
[11:47] <Milktea> :<
[11:47] <Chousuke> If I only could manage to set up japanese input in KDE.
[11:48] <Chousuke> I never managed to make it work in any sensible way :/
[11:48] <Chousuke> I read all kinds of FAQs and tutorials about kinput2, UIM, skim and whatever. none of them worked in the end.
[11:49] <Chousuke> once I managed to make kinput2 work but then I lost the ebility to type Finnish :P
[11:50] <LiGhTeNiN> I know the feeling, read lots of stuff and in the end it still wont work :|
[11:50] <Chousuke> GNOME implements these things called input modules. I'm waiting for KDE4 to be released since it includes those too.
[11:50] <Milktea> Where canI get the proper drivers for an ATi Mobility Radeon 9700? :<
[11:50] <Stormx3> Pah. Remind me not to hit the reset button when using IRC
[11:50] <Milktea> I can't alien the .rpm from the ATi site
[11:51] <Stormx3> Why, what happens when you try?
[11:51] <Chousuke> I hear a lot of good about KDE and would really like to give it a spin.
[11:51] <Chousuke> even if it's a bit heavy on RAM.
[11:51] <Chousuke> ;P
[11:52] <Milktea> I get errors
[11:52] <Stormx3> pah
[11:52] <Stormx3> I have 256mb ram
[11:52] <Stormx3> its not great.
[11:52] <Milktea> last 2 lines
[11:52] <Milktea> Package build failed. Here's the log:
[11:52] <Milktea> find: fglrx_6_8_0-8.20.8: No such file or directory
[11:52] <Stormx3> Milktea: its not finding the file
[11:52] <Milktea> There's a lot of Operation not permitted
[11:52] <m0ns00n> Chousuke: kde isn't so heavy on ram =)
[11:52] <Stormx3> Milktea: You in the correct directory, and have entered the right filename
[11:52] <Chousuke> m0ns00n: It is.
[11:53] <Milktea> yeah
[11:53] <Stormx3> How would KDE fair under 256mb ram?
[11:53] <Milktea> I get a lot of Operation not permitted
[11:53] <Milktea> then finally get that
[11:53] <Stormx3> Milktea: Try sudo, then
[11:53] <Stormx3> KDE is big :O
[11:53] <m0ns00n> Hehe
[11:53] <Milktea> I am using sudo ><
[11:53] <m0ns00n> Depends if you want to run the whole KDE or not
[11:53] <m0ns00n> And if you want all flashy icons
[11:53] <m0ns00n> =)
[11:54] <Stormx3> heh =)
[11:54] <Stormx3> I wish I had more ram
[11:54] <Chousuke> I hear they're trying to make KDE4 more efficient though.
[11:54] <Stormx3> how much does it cost?
[11:54] <Stormx3> for an extra 256mb or ram, maybe
[11:54] <Chousuke> RAM? depends on what RAM it is.
[11:54] <Milktea> Corsair RAM is nice
[11:54] <Chousuke> SDRAM is expensive.
[11:54] <Blissex> Stormx3: 256MB is just about all right.
[11:54] <Chousuke> non-DDR at least. :p
[11:55] <Chousuke> I paid 60 euros for 256
[11:55] <Stormx3> Blissex: Hmm.
[11:55] <Chousuke> but DDR is cheaper and faster.
[11:55] <Blissex> Chousuke: DDR is not necessarily faster BTW
[11:55] <Chousuke> what does your motherboard support?
[11:55] <Stormx3> No. Idea.
[11:55] <Stormx3> >_<
[11:55] <Chousuke> :/
[11:55] <Stormx3> I should find out
[11:55] <Stormx3> os[Linux 2.6.12-10-386 i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1600+ @ 1.40GHz]  mem[Physical : 250MB, 29.5% free]  disk[Total : 110.84GB, 14.90% Free]  video[10de:002d]  sound[ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI]
[11:55] <Milktea> Stormx3: I am using sudo :<
[11:55] <Stormx3> hmm
[11:56] <Milktea> Should I try it in a root console
[11:56] <Stormx3> Milktea: Tried without sudo?
[11:56] <slow-motion> n8
[11:56] <Stormx3> n8? thats a new one on me
[11:56] <Milktea> Stormx3: Not yet, will do
[11:57] <Stormx3> hmmmm
[11:57] <Stormx3> I need a new computer
[11:57] <Stormx3> and soon.
[11:57] <Milktea> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).
[11:57] <Chousuke> isn't it more like "nate" anyway.
[11:57] <Stormx3> I shall make that my mission of 2006
[11:57] <Stormx3> to have the meanest computer ^_^
[11:58] <Milktea> :<
[11:58] <Chousuke> (MHz/RAM/VRAM)
[11:58] <Milktea> Stormx3: Without sudo, it gives me
[11:58] <Milktea> Must run as root to convert to deb format (or you may use fakeroot).
[11:58] <Stormx3> Milktea: Search on ubuntuforums.org
[11:59] <Stormx3> OK Everyone, as a rough guide, how much does 256mb of ram cost (lowest -> highest) and how much would you spend...
[11:59] <Chousuke> I'm running on a 1.3GHz/1.25GB/64MB powerbook atm.
[11:59] <Chousuke> Stormx3: how much MHz do you have?
[11:59] <Blissex> Stormx3: depends on the type of RAM and the country...
[11:59] <Stormx3> 1.4
[12:00] <Stormx3> UK, and, I'm not sure. i've never gone into types before.
[12:00] <Blissex> Stormx3: I have written a very nice KDE and UNIX performance enhancement advice page here:
[12:00] <Stormx3> Ah, nice.
[12:00] <Blissex> Stormx3: in the UK you can get fairly cheap SDRAM from eBuyer.co.UK
[12:00] <Chousuke> Stormx3: Find your motherboard manual.
[12:00] <Stormx3> where? I see no link
[12:01] <Blissex> Stormx3: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxKDE.html#performance  and http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-4th.html#051008
[12:01] <Stormx3> Blissex: I just saw ".... advice page here:"
[12:01] <Chousuke> Stormx3: it has info on the type of supported RAM
[12:01] <Stormx3> OK :)
[12:01] <Stormx3> Well
[12:01] <Stormx3> I don't think I can really get hold of the manual
[12:01] <Stormx3> I shall ask my dad
[12:01] <douglas> When is dapper slated to be released?
[12:01] <Blissex> Stormx3: I have an 800MHz laptop with 256MB and KDE just about runs with it.
[12:01] <Stormx3> April.
[12:02] <douglas> april?
[12:02] <douglas> sounds delicious, I hope that amarok 1.4 gets released by then