[00:04] <Takyoji> Anyone use a media center solution like Boxee or anything?
[00:06]  * Obsidian1723 have phun all...
[00:11] <Takyoji> Awkward; apparently my 0-key on my numpad is acting like the Insert key
[00:15] <Takyoji> So Opera doesn't have a built-in Theora implementation yet?
[01:30] <mr_steve> _diablo, hey
[01:31] <_diablo> mr_steve, yo
[01:39] <_diablo> what's up?
[02:11] <_diablo> mr_steve, ?
[02:14] <mr_steve> _diablo, hey. Sorry, I got pulled away for a bit there
[02:19] <mr_steve> _diablo, I had a question for ya. What screen resolution do you use when you're running ratpoison?
[02:20] <_diablo> mr_steve, uhhh, I haven't ever changed it. lemme check my .ratpoisonrc
[02:22] <_diablo> hmmm, how would I know?
[02:25] <mr_steve> uh... good question, actually. xdpyinfo, maybe
[02:25] <mr_steve> In Gnome/KDE it would just be display control panel
[02:26] <mr_steve> I'm just curious because I'm at 1280x800 on this laptop, and I think I need a higher res for ratpoison to feel really comfy to use
[02:30] <_diablo> yeah, I think so too
[02:31] <_diablo> my screen in GNOME is only 12800x800 too. But yeah, I agree. I think 1600 would be perfect. Although RP is still fine for me
[02:31] <_diablo> you know you can have multiple workspaces right mr_steve?
[02:35] <mr_steve> yup
[02:35] <mr_steve> I think I gotta get my dualhead setup going again tho to really work effectively
[02:38] <_diablo> I want a desk :(
[02:38] <mr_steve> me too
[02:47] <h00k> I want another monitor :(
[02:47] <h00k> or two
[02:47] <h00k> or three?
[02:47] <mr_steve> I think a 3x2 grid with a 50" plasma screen above it would suit me just fine ;)
[02:50] <_diablo> I think that would require about 12 graphics cards lol
[03:07] <mr_steve> So I still gotta find a new location for the next Ubuntu hour
[03:08] <_diablo> mr_steve, yeeeah, the lack of wireless is terrible
[03:08] <mr_steve> Yup. So I'll probably scout one of the other places within a block or two of there
[03:09] <_diablo> cool. that'd be good
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: parking would be a good consideration too
[03:43] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, indeed. That's a major problem downtown
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> So our web site now has a feed of the Identi.ca group on it.
[03:59] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, ah! What is the identi.ca group?
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: http://identi.ca/group/ubuntuminnesota
[04:00] <_diablo> thx
[04:12] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, I noticed you're using gwibber. Are you on their daily or on the stable?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> stable currently, although I've also used the daily at times
[04:15] <_diablo> okay, just wondering, I've noticed issues with it. It tended to crash on me a lot while I used it
[04:17] <_diablo> I've just stopped microblogging on anything but twitter. Kinda sad. :(
[04:25]  * mr_steve thinks there has got to be a better way to write manpages
[04:27] <mr_steve> cnetworkmanager has so many command line options.. I'm going to be muttering "dot TP, dot B, backslash dash backslash dash.." in my sleep
[04:28] <_diablo> mr_steve, think about writing the page for ls or grep or something. :)
[04:28] <mr_steve> I'd rather not
[04:29] <mr_steve> heh or sed, awk, etc
[04:30] <mr_steve> what drives me nuts about cnetworkmanager is that the developer was really alias happy
[04:30] <mr_steve> there's multiple short and long forms of each option
[04:30] <_diablo> mr_steve, I love it though. I appreciate it. I wish other things would do the same
[04:31] <mr_steve> I think it makes sense to have a short and long option, but for the love of $DEITY, -a, -n, --ap-list, --ap, and --nets all do the same thing
[04:32] <_diablo> yeeeah, but it's easy to remember because of that :)
[04:33] <mr_steve> True enough
[04:34] <_diablo> how annoying is writing man pages? they're .gz files, right?
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> no, they're text files that get compressed with gzip ;)
[04:35] <mr_steve> they're gzip'd text files, written with groff macros
[04:36] <_diablo> ahhh, gotcha
[04:36] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, yeeah, I assumed :)
[04:37] <mr_steve> only about 8 more options left to document, and this manpage will be finished. So close to getting this package into universe
[04:37] <mr_steve> Except that the author didn't put copyright headers in his source files, so apparently I have to ask him if he can do that in the next version
[04:38] <_diablo> and then you are a Master of the Universe!
[04:38] <mr_steve> _diablo, eh, I got a ways to go yet
[04:38] <mr_steve> But I do kinda like packaging, so if he keep at it, it'll probably happen
[04:45] <_diablo> yeah, fair enough
[04:50] <_diablo> packaging interests me only because I don't know what it means. Seems like cross-compiling or something, right?
[04:57] <mr_steve> Well, first you have your source package, which is just the orginal source code wrapped up in a format that various tools know how to deal with
[04:57] <mr_steve> and with all of the package's dependencies specified
[04:59] <mr_steve> Then from there you can build a binary package, which contains the actual files to be installed on your system
[05:00] <mr_steve> So I believe the way ubuntu does it, or at least the way the launchpad PPAs do it, is to pass the source package to 3 different hosts, i386, amd64, and one other arch.
[05:00] <mr_steve> And each one build the binary package for that architecture
[05:00] <_diablo> ahhh, okay.
[05:04] <_diablo> I will be asking you more about this at the next ubuntu hour. :)
[05:05] <_diablo> and I'll bring an Ubuntu box next time
[05:40] <mr_steve> Well I just did something stupid
[05:41] <mr_steve> For those of you who don't know about it, molly-guard really is a wonderful little utility... :)
[05:42] <mr_steve> Which I am now proceeding to install on every single box on my network
[05:42] <Obsidian1723> what is it?
[05:42] <mr_steve> It replaces the shutdown, halt, and reboot commands with a script that asks you the name of the system you want to shutdown before actually doing it
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[05:43] <_diablo> ah... that's useful I suppose
[05:44] <mr_steve> I just tried to shutdown my netbook, started wondering why it was taking so long, and then saw my laptop go dark instead. Whoops.
[05:47] <mr_steve> Oh well, at least it wasn't my server. It needs a reboot anyway, but I think it's next reboot will be it's last
[05:49] <Obsidian1723> Sounds like a stupidity preventer
[05:49] <mr_steve> exactly
[05:50] <mr_steve> originally designed for when you're working on a co-located server, where pressing the power button requires a phone call and service fee
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Or just when powering off is A Bad Thing, which is true for any server that's not your random thing at home.
[06:06] <mr_steve> Yeah, been there, done that. It's amazing how fast the phones start ringing when a busy MS Exchange server falls over.
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> I would love to have video of an Exchange server actually falling over :)
[06:10] <mr_steve> Me too, actually.
[06:16] <h00k> I could set that up, actually.
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> without getting fired?  :P
[06:21] <h00k> weeeelllllll, they might not know about it
[06:22] <h00k> or, old hardware
[06:22] <h00k> the rackmount stuffs would be off limits
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> awright
[06:24]  * tonyyarusso continues to feel badass for having rackmount equipment in his bedroom
[06:27] <mr_steve> I'm jealous. My equipment is in a stack... or more properly, a pile.
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> hehe, there's a little of that going on too
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> the new stuff is rack
[06:29] <h00k> tonyyarusso: its true, you are.
[06:29] <mr_steve> I'm gonna be looking for some kind of rackmount case when my fileserver finally dies.   Not mine though...
[06:31]  * tonyyarusso should really finish those and return them
[06:31] <h00k> I still have to think of a use for mine
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> They really don't have much if you need them to be in any area where heat/noise is a concern :(
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> otherwise file servers and firewalls and maybe a web server here and there
[06:33] <h00k> filesever, maybe.
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> It's probably a better long-term play to just recycle it and get a nettop though, unless you want a RAID/multi-disk fileserver.
[06:35] <h00k> maybe a devserver
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> I thought that too, but that's what VMs are for now.
[06:36] <h00k> yeah...
[06:36] <h00k> bah.
[06:36] <h00k> which I just run on my laptops
[06:37] <h00k> (vm's)
[06:37] <h00k> i'm really debating upgrading to alpha-2 on my laptop
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> I upgraded my kernel, but that's it
[06:38] <h00k> hrm.
[06:41] <exigraff> how much difficulty would one run into, running karmic and lucid from separate partitions, using a single partition for /home?
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> probably not much - I've done that with previous releases.
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> You'll want backups obviously, but there's a decent chance it won't totally explode.
[06:41] <h00k> I had asked about this in #ubuntu+1, they said probably not to because if the .dotfiles get changed, it might be angry about different versions
[06:42] <_diablo> exigraff, I've done this with different distros and had no issues.
[06:43] <_diablo> ymmv
[06:44] <mr_steve> bah I gotta go to bed. I really gotta think about adding a clock to my basic ratpoison layout..
[06:45] <mr_steve> g'night all
[06:45] <_diablo> nn
[06:45] <exigraff> night
[16:12] <mr_steve> so, i got my multihead setup working, more or less. Now I have to use ratpoison, because Gnome barfs.
[16:59] <mr_steve> hm. My wireles is cripplingly slow on this laptop, apparently
[18:30] <mr_steve> Anyone else use a tiling window manager?
[18:30] <h00k> no, but I've considered it
[18:32] <mr_steve> I'm kind of liking ratpoison, but I think I'm going to try some of the others, like awesome and wmii
[18:34] <h00k> I saw a guy use xmonad and it looked pretty neat
[21:36] <Takyoji> What's the command line application for detecting the ASCII value of a specific keystroke?
[21:41] <_diablo> Takyoji, sorry, I don't remember off the top of my head
[22:03] <kermit> Takyoji: hexdump, or od, or xxd
[22:03] <Takyoji> ahh
[22:03] <kermit> Takyoji: or man ascii
[22:07] <Takyoji> I have an IR remote with this laptop that acts as part of the keyboard
[22:07] <Takyoji> Thus was thinking if I could map certain keys to do certain things
[22:27] <kermit> Takyoji: oh for extended keyboard input, use showkey  .. though any app you'd be using it with probably has a button to capture a 'keystroke' for assignment anyway
[22:27] <kermit> Takyoji: showkey  only works in a console
[23:11] <mr_steve> hey _diablo, I got my dualhead working :)