[18:00] <DelphiWorld> Hello
[18:00] <DelphiWorld> hi TheMuso
[18:00] <DelphiWorld> and sladen
[18:01] <DelphiWorld> sladen: so who's daniela here ?
[18:02] <ScottSanbar> Hi
[18:02] <DelphiWorld> hey ScottSanbar
[18:02] <ScottSanbar> This IRC is pretty cool - I am using Trillian
[18:02] <sladen> DelphiWorld: TheMuso is in Australia, and it's the weekend, so might not be around
[18:02] <DelphiWorld> sladen: i see.
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> sladen: so TheMuso is daniela ?
[18:03] <ScottSanbar> OK
[18:03] <sladen> DelphiWorld: I don't think daniela is here, but Pendulum is a good starting contact
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> sladen: Fun.
[18:03] <sladen> DelphiWorld: ScottSanbar: who has what kit?
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> sladen: i am surprised, i never used linux like she do.
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> Welcome AlanBell
[18:03] <AlanBell> :)
[18:03] <ScottSanbar> what do you mean by kit?
[18:04] <sladen> ScottSanbar: braille terminal, speech synth, USB, serial, ...
[18:04] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: I am just starting a server install in a virtual machine
[18:04] <DelphiWorld> Good, AlanBell
[18:04] <DelphiWorld> sladen: i have only serial cable, nothing else
[18:04] <ScottSanbar> I am not blind yet - just going blind slowly.  I have big screens and they are close to my face, and that is enough for now.  I am slowed down by not finding stuff on the screen sometimes, but not that bad yeat
[18:05] <sladen> DelphiWorld: what do you have on the end of the serial cable?  Another machine/
[18:05] <DelphiWorld> sladen: would by fun to test those stufs in ubuntu but sadly no brail display sales here
[18:05] <DelphiWorld> sladen: right, a Windows Spoken machine that 99.99% of blind users use it
[18:06] <AlanBell> so it boots to a list of languages, enter to select english then F5 to open a list of accessibility options
[18:06] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i see.
[18:06] <AlanBell> this contains "none", "High Contrast", "Braille Terminal"
[18:06] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: but can not read those in the screen :)
[18:07] <AlanBell> so you want a serial port tty right?
[18:08] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yep
[18:09] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i am trying sladen suggestion, the alternate cd
[18:10] <sladen> DelphiWorld: alternate CD is basically plain "Debian-Installer", which I've used for dozens of serial-only installs (but not for several years)
[18:10] <sladen> DelphiWorld: so it /is/ possible.  Just that I've forgotten how
[18:12] <ScottSanbar> Might this help:
[18:12] <ScottSanbar> Sorry:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[18:12] <AlanBell> that seems to depend on you having already installed it
[18:12] <ScottSanbar> Oh, I see - sorry
[18:14] <Pendulum> ScottSanbar: I think you're referring to the Daniela persona? She's not a real person, she's a composite of several people we surveyed who have visual impairment/are blind (and the back story is all made up)
[18:15] <DelphiWorld> hello Pendulum
[18:15] <ScottSanbar> OK, thanks
[18:16] <ScottSanbar> Pendulum: OK, thanks
[18:18] <AlanBell> http://www.howtoforge.com/setting_up_a_serial_console this looks helpful, it describes some boot options that can be added to get it to talk on a serial console, I am just wondering how I could test them
[18:18] <Pendulum> DelphiWorld: oops sorry, I guess I meant you in that
[18:18] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: :)
[18:18] <Pendulum> (sorry, my brain is about 5 places at the moment)
[18:19] <ScottSanbar> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-parms.html seems helpful
[18:19] <sladen> DelphiWorld: /I/ think roughly what you want to do is put the CD/USB in and install that it is booting (this will vary depending on BIOS setup)
[18:19] <DelphiWorld> sladen: :)
[18:19] <sladen> DelphiWorld: then interrupt the bootloader by using the serial port, at which Grub will use serial and the rest should all just work
[18:20] <sladen> DelphiWorld: or worst case, you need to interrupt the bootloader (Grub) from the keyboard by pressing shift repeatedly, then type
[18:21] <sladen> DelphiWorld: 'e' (for Edit).  'space', 'console=ttyS0'   (capital 'S' for serial)
[18:23] <AlanBell> it is isolinux though from the CD
[18:23] <DelphiWorld> sladen: :)
[18:35]  * AlanBell has server booting over serial port \o/
[18:38] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: I have it working with the ubuntu server 11.04 CD
[18:38] <AlanBell> put in CD, enter to select english
[18:38] <AlanBell> F6, then escape
[18:38] <AlanBell> space then console=ttyS0 then return
[18:39] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: do i need to type something ?
[18:41] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: enter, f6, escape, space 'console=ttyS0; enter
[18:41] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: then it starts working on serial
[18:42] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: but ttyS0 is selectable or would i need to typ it ?
[18:43] <DelphiWorld> hahaha
[18:43] <DelphiWorld> i see torrent through Ipv6!
[18:44] <AlanBell> need to type it
[18:44] <AlanBell> you type console=ttyS0
[18:44] <AlanBell> with a space in front of it
[18:44] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: hmmm let me look where's = in Qwerty leyout
[18:44] <DelphiWorld> =yeah lol AlanBell is same as AZERTY !
[18:45] <AlanBell> oh, want french?
[18:45] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yeah i am from algeria:D
[18:46] <AlanBell> if you want Francais then press cursor down 7 times right at the start
[18:46] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: :P
[18:47] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i should wait for my friend to come online
[18:47] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: so we do skype and he see my screen and tel me what's hapening;)
[18:48] <AlanBell> ok
[18:48] <AlanBell> don't bother trying to put it in French, it doesn't seem to make any difference!
[18:48] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yep, no need it at all ;)
[18:49] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: would by a streaming server:P
[18:49] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i am planing to multicast through my Wifi from a DVB card
[18:51] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: you see right ? not blind i mean
[18:51] <AlanBell> yeah I am sighted
[18:52] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: and would i by able to help ubuntu accessibility ? if yes, what should i do ?
[18:52] <AlanBell> we would love more help :)
[18:52] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yeah ? you're also sighted ?
[18:52] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: you too ?
[18:54] <Pendulum> DelphiWorld: yes, I'm sighted.
[18:54] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum, and AlanBell where are you from  ?
[18:54] <AlanBell> I am from the UK
[18:54] <Pendulum> I'm in the US
[18:54] <DelphiWorld> we maybe should do a Ubuntu Accessibility Day
[18:55] <DelphiWorld> and you Pendulum ?
[18:55] <DelphiWorld> i am from Algeria
[18:56] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: so Welcome both to algeria ;)
[18:56] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum, AlanBell please think about a Ubuntu accessibility meeting
[18:56] <ScottSanbar> DelphiWorld:  I cannot help because I am new, but I am hoping to help before I go blind and learn
[18:56] <DelphiWorld> ScottSanbar: you're welcome :D
[18:57] <ScottSanbar> Thanks!
[18:57] <ScottSanbar> DelphiWorld: Thanks!
[18:57] <DelphiWorld> ScottSanbar: got it allready:D
[18:57] <ScottSanbar> DelphiWorld; Yeah, I am REALLY new!
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> getting ubuntu alternative CD 27%
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> using torrent
[18:58] <Pendulum> DelphiWorld: we're going to have a meeting the end of this month
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: where ?
[18:58] <Pendulum> in this IRC channel
[18:58] <Pendulum> I just haven't been well enough to hold one recently (I had surgery about 6 weeks ago)
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: i see
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: better to do a real meeting like in south affrica
[19:00] <DelphiWorld> and you, sladen ?
[19:00] <AlanBell> there are local team meetings in different countries, and every 6 months there is a conference about the next release of Ubuntu
[19:01] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yeah
[19:01] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i was hoping to go to ubuntu tunisia but sadly was a bad time
[19:02] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: what are you using right now  to chat ?
[19:02] <AlanBell> irssi which is a command line IRC client and I am running it in a screen session so I can leave it running all the time
[19:03] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: and tts or brail ?
[19:04] <AlanBell> eyes :) I am sighted
[19:04] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: ahh
[19:04]  * DelphiWorld getting food... too late !
[19:05] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  Have you tried Trillian?  Or do you prefere the command line for IRC?
[19:07] <AlanBell> I kind of like the command line for IRC, it works on my phone too
[19:08] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  In what sense do you use your phone for IRC?  Just talking to IRC posts messages???
[19:10] <AlanBell> I have an android phone with an ssh client on it
[19:16] <AlanBell> ScottSanbar: I can ssh in and connect to my running IRC client, which is in about 50 channels and has all the scrollback
[19:16] <ScottSanbar> Ah, I see - stable, solid and if you disconnect, just re-ssh and reconnect without losing your sessions, right?
[19:16] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:17] <AlanBell> and I can start a conversation on my laptop, and continue on the phone without disconnecting
[19:17] <ScottSanbar> Once you ssh in, you must have a background IRC client, like a daemon, that is maintaining state and that you can connect to.  What is the software that does that?  Am I describing it right?
[19:17] <AlanBell> about right :)
[19:18] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  What IRC client?
[19:18] <AlanBell> screen is the software that allows you to have running terminal sessions that you can disconnect from
[19:19] <ScottSanbar> Oh, now I see - is screen available by default in Ubunto, or must I get it?  Link?
[19:19] <AlanBell> or you can run byobu which is 'screen' but set up right
[19:19] <AlanBell> just run byobu
[19:19] <ScottSanbar> OK, thanks.
[19:21] <ScottSanbar> I am using VNC right now since I do not have a keyboard or mouse for my Ubuntu machine.  That would work in a similar manner (I use tightvnc as the server, and Real VNC on my Windows Vista Box.  TightVNC maintains a stable, standalone complete desktop that I can connect/disconnect from at will just as if I was directly on the Ubuntu keyboard/mouse/display
[19:22] <AlanBell> yes, same kind of thing, but for a terminal session
[19:22] <ScottSanbar> The terminal session thing would work for iPhone, Android, Tablets where I am betting VNC is not available, right?
[19:26] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  Are you using IRSSI?
[19:26] <AlanBell> yes, irssi
[19:27] <AlanBell> works anywhere with an ssh client basically
[19:31] <DelphiWorld> brb installing
[19:32] <AlanBell> excellent!
[19:32] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: :P
[19:39] <DelphiWorld> hi valorie
[20:08] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell: I am now on this forum using irssi in a screen session over a terminal from a windows PC to my Ubuntu PC
[20:11] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  Thanks for your help.  I like this
[20:14] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  I just disconnected, killed my terminal, and reconnected - works great!  Thanks!
[20:15] <ScottSanbar> I am not receiving messages.  If anyone can see my messages, please reply, if you do not mind
[20:23] <valorie> ScottSanbar: I can see you
[20:23] <valorie> and your texting
[20:23] <ScottSanbar> valorie: ok, thanks
[20:23] <ScottSanbar> valorie:  my user_name was incorrect
[20:24] <valorie> ok
[20:24] <valorie> 13:07] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~scott@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net).
[20:24] <valorie> [13:23] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~ScottSanb@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net).
[20:25] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell: I am now on irssi in a screen session, and have successfully disconnected while the irssi screen was maintained, killed my terminal, reconnected and this is really cool - thanks!
[20:27] <ScottSanbar> valorie:  did you see my message to AlanBell?
[20:29] <valorie> yes
[20:29] <valorie> if you send to the channel, everyone in channel sees it
[20:29] <valorie> you can also private message, but I'm not sure how you do that in irssi
[20:30] <valorie> also, in ubuntu namespaces, it's considered rude to PM without asking permission
[20:30] <ScottSanbar> ok, thanks - sorry
[20:32] <ScottSanbar> valorie:  you are a very nice person
[20:34] <Pendulum> valorie: can I PM you for a sec?
[20:34] <valorie> thanks!
[20:34] <valorie> yes
[20:37] <DelphiWorld> how are you valorie ?
[20:39] <valorie> I'm good
[20:40] <valorie> and you, DelphiWorld?
[20:40] <DelphiWorld> valorie: as sound i found #ubuntu-accessibility, i am ferly happy, valorie !
[20:41] <valorie> I don't really help out here, but I'm interested in progress
[20:42] <DelphiWorld> valorie: Welcome:)
[20:44] <DelphiWorld> where are you from valorie ?
[20:46] <valorie> I live an hour from Seattle, Washington in the US
[20:46] <valorie> you?
[20:47] <DelphiWorld> valorie: Algeria
[20:48] <valorie> cool!
[20:49] <valorie> I love that we have world-wide scope
[20:49] <DelphiWorld> valorie: Seriously... i Love UBUNTU.
[20:51]  * valorie is a Kubuntu user
[20:51] <valorie> I love the community
[20:51] <valorie> that we are KDE and Gnome people together
[20:51] <valorie> and also LXDE, etc.
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> valorie: :D
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> valorie: AlanBellnd are you blind too ?
[21:00] <DelphiWorld> valorie: are you blind too ?
[21:00] <DelphiWorld> SORY AlanBell :P
[21:00] <valorie> no, I'm sighted
[21:01] <valorie> just interested in a11y, because I think it's key
[21:01] <DelphiWorld> valorie: i am totaly blind
[21:01] <DelphiWorld> valorie: no eyes at all
[21:01] <valorie> diversity of all sorts is needed for a healthy project
[21:01] <valorie> I love that you are able to be online
[21:03] <DelphiWorld> valorie: seriously, here in our country everyone think that a blind man can't do anything at all
[21:04] <valorie> do you do testing for ubuntu?
[21:04] <DelphiWorld> valorie:  a bit
[21:04] <valorie> I used to ride the bus with a blind man daily
[21:04] <valorie> he was on his way to work, and me on my way to college
[21:04] <DelphiWorld> valorie: i see
[21:05] <DelphiWorld> valorie: sadly GPS maps is not yet up to date here
[21:05] <DelphiWorld> valorie: otherwise my iPhone:)
[21:05] <valorie> people can do a lot, if they are open to the possibilities
[21:05] <valorie> have you tried Marble?
[21:05] <valorie> which is a KDE product
[21:06] <valorie> not sure that runs on iPhone, but there is a Qt-only version for phones
[21:06] <DelphiWorld> valorie:  didn't try
[21:06] <valorie> might work well for you
[21:06] <valorie> it's a very active project
[21:07] <valorie> and KDE apps run in Ubuntu
[22:07] <AlanBell> ScottSanbar: great! glad it is working for you!


[08:18] <alkisg> Hi, I want to upload a new ltsp in debian, which will contain only bug fixes, and then sync to focal; that still doesn't require an FFE, right?
[08:28] <ginggs> alkisg: correct
[08:28] <alkisg> Thank you ginggs
[12:09] <ailion> Hi
[12:10] <ailion> How can I get the exact kernel source code running on a server?
[12:11] <ailion> e.g. # uname -a
[12:11] <ailion>          Linux mirrors 4.15.0-91-generic #92-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 28 11:09:48 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:09] <doko> cpaelzer: do you plan to remove mailman2 in focal?
[13:40] <Odd_Bloke> ai_lion: That sounds like a question that would be more appropriate in #ubuntu-server. :)
[13:41] <ai_lion> Odd_Bloke: maybe...
[13:42] <ai_lion> I'm following this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[13:43] <Odd_Bloke> ai_lion: Aha, then perhaps #ubuntu-kernel?
[13:43] <ai_lion> "apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)" results in something not kernel source code
[13:43] <ai_lion> emmmm
[13:43] <ai_lion> ok
[14:36] <cpaelzer> doko: we had no further plans on mailman
[14:37] <cpaelzer> which translates to keep things as they are synced from debian
[14:37] <cpaelzer> doko: did you want to remove it for the py2 deps or what makes you ask?
[17:49] <GunnarHj> Hi vorlon, wondering about bug #1171844 (comment #18). You uploaded gfxboot-theme-ubuntu on March 8 and debian-installer was last built on March 10. Is there more into it?
[17:59] <ahasenack> teward: nginx ffe approved
[18:02] <teward> ahasenack: ack.  upload in progress.
[18:02] <ahasenack> thanks
[18:02] <ahasenack> I'll take care of the rest
[18:02] <teward> fek i think i forgot to mark the bug in the changelog
[18:02] <teward> how good i can cancel :p
[18:03] <teward> ahasenack: do you want me to mark it as closing LP #1867150
[18:03] <teward> in the changelog
[18:03] <ahasenack> teward: yes please
[18:07] <teward> uploaded.  system accepted it from the upload queue into proposed
[18:07] <ahasenack> I'll monitor migration
[18:07] <teward> yep.  needs to build first heh.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/1.17.9-0ubuntu2
[18:08] <ahasenack> details
[18:11] <vorlon> GunnarHj: AFAIU the debian-installer rebuild should have picked up the changes from gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, so at this point I don't know why it didn't take effect
[18:12] <GunnarHj> vorlon: :( I looked at the d-i build depends, and didn't find gfxboot-theme-ubuntu.
[18:15] <vorlon> GunnarHj: d-i is sketch and pulls most of its stuff directly from the archive rather than as build-dependencies
[18:16] <GunnarHj> vorlon: Ack.
[18:18] <GunnarHj> vorlon: Will you investigate when you have a minute? The installer stuff is way over my head.
[18:18] <vorlon> GunnarHj: I'm having a look right now but I'm actually off today
[18:36] <vorlon> GunnarHj: ok, found a spot I missed in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu, reuploading now; won't land in the images until there's another d-i upload for another reason
[18:38] <GunnarHj> vorlon: Thanks! Crossing my fingers, then.


[06:20] <alkisg> Hi, when I boot an office PC the USB mouse doesn't work. It does show up in lsusb and it *does work* if I unplug and re-plug it, so I'm thinking it might be a xorg issue. Any troubleshooting tips? Ubuntu 14.04, 64 bit, i5 system, microsoft mouse. The mouse works fine in windows as well.
[06:23] <tjaalton> input issues are kernel bugs
[06:23] <tjaalton> try evtest, if you don't see events then that's a kernel bug for sure
[06:23] <tjaalton> or bios
[06:23] <alkisg> xev didn't produce events
[06:23] <tjaalton> or hw
[06:24] <alkisg> I'll try evtest, thanks
[08:34] <alkisg> Yup, evtest doesn't list the mouse as an input device even though lsusb does show it. After unplug/re-plug it works. I'll check with #ubuntu-kernel
[17:41] <smallfoot-> Why does X.Org Server run as root?
[17:41] <smallfoot-> Why does not X.Org server run without root privileges?
[17:42] <smallfoot-> When will CVE-2015-180[2,3,4] get patched? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2015-March/057236.html
[18:10] <furkan> smallfoot-: you might find this informative/useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Rootless
[18:34] <smallfoot-> thanks furkan
[19:02] <smallfoot-> furkan, last edited 2010 lol
[19:37] <furkan> smallfoot-: yeah a lot of those help pages are pretty old, but i think that one is still accurate RE: the non-free drivers not supporting KMS
[19:38] <furkan> *wiki pages, rather
[19:56] <smallfoot-> but I heard that Fedora runs X without root
[19:56] <smallfoot-> at least with the drivers that support it
[19:56] <smallfoot-> I wish Ubuntu did too
[20:21] <tjaalton> no it doesn't
[20:22] <tjaalton> not by default anyway
[20:23] <tjaalton> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1078902 still open
[21:24] <smallfoot-> Oh, I thought it was already fixed
[21:24] <smallfoot-> Is there any similar bug filed against Ubuntu on Launchpad?


[02:53] <acheronuk> all x86 builders are 'cleaning'?
[02:54] <acheronuk> wgrant: can that be poked to resolve?
[02:56] <hloeung> they'll be fixed when we're done with some reboots
[02:57] <acheronuk> hloeung: ok. thanks for that info
[02:57] <hloeung> sorry for the inconvenience caused
[03:01] <acheronuk> np. nothing here that couldn't wait. it was just slightly concerning seeing that.
[17:16] <acheronuk> do we have maintenance on arm builders, or are they mostly 'cleaning' again in error?
[17:23] <cjwatson> not that I know of, poking
[17:24] <acheronuk> thanks :)


[10:27] <bluesabre> Unit193, newhoa: We'll just use the gio fixer part of the script for now. There's some discussions happening about going back to the ubiquity icon, I believe.
[17:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: I meant shipping openvpn, vs openconnect, or wireguard (well we already do actually), or...well you get the idea.


[00:00] <asac> fta: what was your idea for providing extensibility for things like type=amo
[00:00] <asac> ?
[00:02] <fta> either values that are mini shell scripts, like in mozclient, or an API just calling binaries with a fixed list of arguments so those binaries could be in any language
[00:02] <Nafallo> woha. thunderbird seems nicer than evo :-P
[00:03] <asac> fta: debian bug 480796
[00:04] <asac> fta: right. i like the binary idea. can we find a good set of parameters for them?
[00:04] <asac> Nafallo: why?
[00:04] <asac> Nafallo: why do you recognize now :) ?
[00:05] <Nafallo> it's fast, the filters are more clever to setup, it seems very easy to use. the thing remaining would be how good the spam filter works.
[00:05] <fta> asac, i'm tired, i'm no longer thinking clearly, could we just write this down and continue later ?
[00:05] <Nafallo> asac: thought I might try it after reading a certain non-public thread ;-)
[00:06] <asac> yes, can you copy/paste the log somewhere? i think my irssi log is out-of-order right now :(
[00:06] <asac> ubuntulog: is there
[00:06] <asac> so there will be a log online tomorrow
[00:06] <asac> but better get a copy
[00:06] <fta> damn, my virtual machine is not booting, 5h lost
[00:06] <asac> ill try to get some basic text out of it
[00:06] <asac> fta: why not use virtual box?
[00:06] <asac> or are you trying other CPUs?
[00:07] <asac> Nafallo: should be the default :)
[00:07] <fta> i wanted to create an amd64 intrepid on my i386 intrepid
[00:07] <Nafallo> asac: there are to much missing to make it default now.
[00:07] <asac> Nafallo: there was a survey recently where thunderbird was the most used free-software mail-client
[00:07] <asac> with 50% of market share among all free clients
[00:08] <asac> Nafallo: does evo work out of the box with exchange setups here?
[00:08] <Nafallo> asac: yes.
[00:08] <asac> i mean mostly feature complete not just mail
[00:08] <asac> e.g. all the calendar stuff and so on
[00:08] <fta> asac, so i started with an amd64 hardy desktop iso. it fucked up at grub-isntall
[00:08] <Nafallo> asac: ah. I never tried that :-)
[00:08] <asac> Nafallo: just mail works with thunderbird
[00:09] <asac> Nafallo: my opinion is that every feature we are missing in thunderbird is not-important enough unless its out-of-the-box exchange calendaring support :)
[00:09] <Nafallo> asac: how about the common gnome backends? something we could put effort into?
[00:10] <asac> Nafallo: i agree that thunderbird could get better gnome integration
[00:11] <asac> Nafallo: i guess you are talking about evolution data server. what features does that thing provide?
[00:11] <Nafallo> asac: I'd say that we should put effort into working on that if that's what we want, cause I don't like the idea about changing core apps in any release other than right after a LTS :-)
[00:13] <Nafallo> asac: yea. we are. calendar (which I assume we would like to integrate easier with tbird), address books, memos and tasks.
[00:13] <Nafallo> that's the ones I can see.
[00:14] <Nafallo> I wonder if it wouldn't be better to make gnome integrate with tbird though...
[00:14] <asac> Nafallo: so how is calendar better integrated in the desktop? is it just that its somehow integrated with the gnome-panel calendar applet?
[00:15] <Nafallo> the clock-applet integrates with EDS
[00:15] <asac> Nafallo: otherwise i just see that evolution data server is a server to store calendaring data
[00:15] <asac> Nafallo: yeah ... so just the clock-applet. anything else?
[00:16] <Nafallo> hmm. I don't really use the calendar to be honest with you :-)
[00:16] <asac> yeah. i wonder who uses this feature that blocks tbird from default install :)
[00:16] <Nafallo> business people I'd recon :-/
[00:17] <asac> anyway. i'd say if its just clock applet we could make clock applet aware of ical standard so it can display whatever you manage with sunbird/lightning
[00:17] <Nafallo> what about openoffice and pidgin? I use neither of those :-)
[00:18] <Nafallo> the addressbook is clearly ekiga and pidgin. also gnome-control-center.
[00:18] <asac> how would pidgin integrate with eds?
[00:18] <asac> ah address book
[00:18] <asac> ok
[00:18] <Nafallo> automatic sync against the... yea
[00:19] <Nafallo> ekiga use EDS for it's addressbook OOTB
[00:19] <Nafallo> ooh. what about deskbar-applet?
[00:19] <asac> Nafallo: how comprehensible is eds API ?
[00:20] <Nafallo> wouldn't know. haven't poked those bits of the desktop for years :-)
[00:20] <Nafallo> I'd say we add an agenda item to the next desktop meeting.
[00:21] <Nafallo> raising the discussion in the right place :-)
[00:21] <asac> well ... better be well prepared for battle I'd say
[00:21] <Nafallo> and with seb and daniel around :-)
[00:22] <Nafallo> hehe. yes. but then again... it doesn't actually /have/ to be solved in intrepid ibex :-)
[00:23] <Nafallo> if we could I'd be happy to see it, but otherwise it's more likely to be specs for intrepid+1 :-/
[00:25] <asac> Nafallo: we have to do research first. there certainly must be discussion about EDS in thunderbird integration and there might be issues :)
[00:25] <asac> but maybe its that tbird devs just dont consider EDS a real standard
[00:26] <Nafallo> how about getting rid about EDS? can we have gnome use the mozilla stuff? would that be to hard?
[00:26] <Nafallo> s/about\ E/of\ E/
[00:27] <asac> Nafallo: well. mozilla doesnt ship servers around their data
[00:30] <asac> mozilla bug 410076
[00:30] <Nafallo> ehrm... my INBOX on my personal account has 2k mails in evo, 41.3k in tbird :-/
[00:30] <asac> mozilla bug 408158
[00:32] <asac> Nafallo: wrong count number?
[00:32] <Nafallo> nafallo@wizard:~$ evolution --force-shutdown
[00:32] <Nafallo> Shutting down evolution-data-server-2.22 (Evolution Calendar file and webcal backend / Evolution Addressbook file backend)
[00:32] <Nafallo> Shutting down evolution-alarm-notify (Evolution Calendar alarm notification service)
[00:33] <Nafallo> asac: different spamhandling :-P
[00:33] <asac> interesting
[00:33] <asac> webcal? doesnt lightning support webcal?
[00:33] <Nafallo> I rather have spam moved from the inbox, and evo apparently just mark it as spam and shows it in a virtual junk folder :-)
[00:33] <asac> Nafallo: yeah ;) ... so a filter :)
[00:34] <asac> Nafallo: most likely evolution hides it based on a header
[00:34] <asac> i think you can create virtual folders in thunderbird with filter criterias
[00:34] <asac> so you could do a simliar inbox-filtered-spam
[00:34] <Nafallo> I told it to move junk to Junk, so it's very unresponsive now ;-)
[00:34] <asac> Nafallo: you have to train tbird first
[00:35] <asac> unless you dont want to use bayes
[00:35] <Nafallo> I think it reads whatever Evo did to the spam :-)
[00:35] <Nafallo> looks like it got it right anyway.
[00:35] <asac> Nafallo: take care ;) ... not that it just looks like and it removes the wrong ones now
[00:36] <Nafallo> it will not remove, just move?
[00:36] <Nafallo> :-)
[00:36] <asac> yeah
[00:36] <asac> unless you configure it to remove directly
[00:36] <Nafallo>  9571 nafallo   20   0  740m 522m  17m S    8 53.8   1:46.80 thunderbird-bin
[00:36] <asac> not sure what the default is :-P
[00:36] <Nafallo> I configured it to move it to Junk. the default was to just mark it.
[00:37] <asac> ah
[00:37] <Nafallo> my god I get lots of spam :-/
[00:40] <Nafallo> at some point I'll have enough free memory to start firefox and read the URLs you linked :-)
[01:17] <Nafallo> hmm. thunderbird likes to eat A LOT of memory :-/
[01:18] <asac> Nafallo: compact your inbox
[01:18] <asac> that might free mem as well
[01:18] <asac> right click on folder and "compact folder ..."
[01:21] <Nafallo> seems I have to learn it a bit at a time, otherwise it just downloads messages until I get out of swap :-P
[01:22] <asac> Nafallo: hmm ... well. the learning is rather a one time thing
[01:23] <Nafallo> just that I have 40k mails to handpick from ;-)
[01:25] <asac> Nafallo: filter by spamassasin header
[01:25] <asac> then learn the complete folder :)
[01:25] <asac> ok i am off. have fun!
[01:25] <Nafallo> that would have been easier if I had actually ran spamassassin rather than bogofilter :-P
[01:26] <Nafallo> oki. see ya :-)
[10:12] <armin76> asac: do you remember the bug about the extensions always showing up as new?
[10:17] <asac> armin76: always as new?
[10:17] <asac> e.g. always popping up the dialog?
[10:19] <armin76> yup
[10:20] <asac> armin76: home on nfs mount or something?
[10:21] <armin76> nope
[10:21] <armin76> wasn't there a bug report somewhere?
[10:22] <armin76> oh, nvm
[10:22] <armin76> closing ff normally fixes it :P
[10:23] <asac> armin76: l00ser
[10:24] <armin76> haha
[10:24] <armin76> die :P
[12:52] <armin76> !info intrepid unspell
[12:52] <armin76> !info hunspell intrepid
[12:53] <armin76> asac: fta_: oh, i have a patch for hunspell-1.2
[12:54] <armin76> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/src/patchsets/mozilla-firefox/3.0_rc1/100-system-hunspell-corrections.patch?view=markup
[12:55] <armin76> is not mine
[13:06] <asac> armin76: is that better than what we have?
[13:06] <asac> or does it tackle something else
[13:07] <asac> armin76: mozilla bug 429747
[13:14] <jbotscharow> hi all
[13:14] <asac> hi
[13:15] <jbotscharow> has the xubuntu-users mailing list been silent the last few days or am I having some sort of email isses?
[13:17] <jbotscharow> sorry in wrong tab, boy, is my face red!
[13:22] <asac> hehe
[13:24] <jbotscharow> go ahead, laugh at the poor newbie LOL I'm laughing too :-)
[13:52] <armin76> asac: no idea, works fine for me
[19:51] <fta> hi
[19:52] <fta> Jazzva, rhythmbox has the same problem as liferea :P
[19:58] <Jazzva> fta: Great... So does Pidgin window - if it's minimised, you're on another desktop, and someone sends you a message you won't be able to move it by clicking on the button
[19:58] <Jazzva> :)
[19:58] <fta> i don't use Pidgin
[19:59] <fta> deluge is affected too
[20:02] <Jazzva> yay... But I won't be able to look into it today and tomorrow. Now I'm coding linker for the assembler output :).
[20:16] <fta> :)
[20:23] <fta> stevel, hi, could you please tell me if there's a tag for songbird 0.6 in your svn ? or which exact revision i should pull ?
[20:25] <stevel> fta: the branch hasn't been pushed yet.... preed (our build/release eng) is stuck on an urgent issue trying to figure out why 0.5->0.6 builds are failing to go.  but it's next on his list of things to do
[20:25] <stevel> you can track http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10010 if you want an update
[20:25] <stevel> when we get it pushed
[20:26] <fta> stevel, ok, no ETA then?
[20:27] <stevel> fta: i'm hoping this week
[20:28] <fta> ok, thanks
[20:42] <psyke83> hi, is it possible to tweak/hack firefox or xulrunner so that it uses a *different* gtk theme to render widgets on websites? I'm working on the dark UbuntuStudio theme, and the dark widgets simply look out of place on most websites. If we could force Firefox to use widgets from a "light" theme such as Human or Human-Murrine it would completely solve our problem
[21:26] <gnomefreak> my sister and half sister will be here in the morning, so most of the week will be spent with them, i hope. but i will stop in everyday since they will be sleeping late.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> de.archive.ubuntu seems to be messed up for interpid
[21:27] <gnomefreak> main has md5sum issues
[21:58] <fta> psyke83, just read your pm, I don't use a dark theme. it's just that songbird guys hacked xul to better suits their needs for dark app theme. so it's a different xul dedicated to songbird.
[21:58] <psyke83> ah ;)
[21:58] <psyke83> too bad
[21:58] <gnomefreak> is packaging python the same as packaging any other package?
[21:59] <fta> gnomefreak, most of the time, no.
[21:59] <gnomefreak> :(
[22:00] <psyke83> fta: so there's no way to "coax" firefox to use a different gtkrc for widgets only on websites?
[22:01] <gnomefreak> brb have to fix term
[22:03] <fta> songbird hacked mozilla/layout/style/forms.css to import their style
[22:03] <fta> psyke83, ^^, like http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4080
[22:04] <fta> but we can't do that to the default xul
[22:05] <fta> i don't know if we can trick ff with a gtkrc
[22:06] <psyke83> fta, I would imagine it would require some xulrunner hacking, as we'd need to change the behaviour just for something like: "@-moz-document url-prefix(http), url-prefix(file)"
[22:07] <psyke83> (so as not to affect the appearance of the actual firefox interface)
[22:07] <psyke83> anyway thanks for the link!
[22:22] <gnomefreak> anyone with gmail having STMP issues?
[22:23] <gnomefreak> with Tbird-2
[22:25] <gnomefreak> seems to be IMAp+Tbird issue
[22:38] <gnomefreak> i dont like broken mail. is there a way to change IMAP to POP in Tbird without removing account and re making it?
[22:44] <gnomefreak> fta: did you do anything related to bookmarks in latest firefox-3 in your PPA?
[22:45] <fta> nope
[22:45] <fta> btw, intrepid is now ahead of my ppa
[22:46] <fta> oh, maybe not
[22:48] <gnomefreak> nope yours is ahead
[22:49] <gnomefreak> it added some of the orig. bookmarks back to my bookmarks item, the ones that say get bookmark addons and mozilla bookmarks recently bookmarked ect..
[22:49] <gnomefreak> so now i have 2 atleast of each of those
[22:54] <Jazzva> So, RC2 is actually final version for us, right?
[22:58] <fta> yep, it's equiv to final, same sources
[22:58] <Jazzva> Cool :)
[23:15] <gnomefreak> asac: you around? bug 239826 seems to be a site issue on Mozilla servers not really a bug in package. can you please confirm and close as you wish or leave open and reply to my post about asking you.
[23:19] <asac> gnomefreak: looking
[23:19] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[23:20] <asac> gnomefreak: upstream bug is linked?
[23:20] <gnomefreak> asac: yes
[23:20] <asac> ok all fine then
[23:20] <gnomefreak> ok
[23:28] <asac> fta: you use ifupdown to manager network right?
[23:28] <asac> how do you configure dns name if you have static config in /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:29] <Nafallo> asac: can be done by installed some extra package I can't remember what it's called...
[23:29] <fta> asac, /etc/hosts
[23:29] <asac> fta: /etc/hosts? you mean /etc/resolv.conf?
[23:29] <Nafallo> resolvconf - nameserver information handler
[23:30] <fta> resolv.conf for dns servers, but /etc/hosts for anything else
[23:30] <asac> fta: yeah my question is about dns ;)
[23:31] <fta> then resolv.conf
[23:32] <asac> fta: dont understand that :( .... i mean you want to configure everything in /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:32] <fta> why ? i don't have any dns stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:33] <asac> fta: but you have static ips?
[23:33] <fta> yes
[23:33] <asac> most likely you just have one interface then
[23:33] <asac> and dont roam
[23:33] <fta> indeed, my desktops don't roam :)
[23:33] <asac> what does resolvconf do?
[23:33] <asac> the package i mean
[23:34] <fta> i don't have it
[23:34] <Nafallo> can't remember exactly how it worked, but I know you can set dnses inside interfaces and have it just update automagically
[23:42] <asac> Nafallo: hmm. ok
[23:58] <asac> dns-nameservers :/
[23:58] <asac> dns-nameserver


[21:36] <Thorkel> hi
[21:36] <Thorkel> good night to every one
[21:37] <Thorkel> i'v got an issue using Lubuntu
[21:38] <Thorkel> and was looking arround for hours to solve it but did not find a solution
[21:38] <Thorkel> i wanna install intel GMA3000 drivers
[21:38] <Thorkel> but cannot do it or i dont know enough to do so
[21:39] <Thorkel> some one know how to do it?


[05:02] <bb_bat_> seem to be having some bootup issues after upgrading to 11.10, when booting up, it repeatedly flashes the Nvidia slash
[12:33] <Ankhwatcher> I'd like my myth-frontend to sleep or hibernate instead of shutting down when I choose close and shut down in mythtv.
[12:34] <Ankhwatcher> Does anyone know how to do this?
[12:38] <dekarl> is that a dedicated frontend without backend?
[12:42] <Ankhwatcher> yes
[12:42] <Ankhwatcher> the backend is running somewhere else
[12:42] <Ankhwatcher> this computer only works as a frontend and does nothing else.
[12:44] <dekarl> There's something similar on the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Putting_mythfrontend_to_sleep
[12:44] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Putting mythfrontend to sleep - MythTV
[13:04] <Ankhwatcher> dekarl: cool
[13:04] <Ankhwatcher> my myth-backend seems to be badly out of sync with bbc broadcast times
[13:05] <Ankhwatcher> it keeps cutting of the end of all the recordings.
[13:08] <dekarl> so just use a higher default value for minutes to record over the endtime. (I take it you have the correct time set on your backend)
[13:10] <dekarl> I use 5 minutes hard plus 5 minutes soft padding for all recordings. usually using ~2 minutes pre would have been enough, but I need up to 45 minutes post (due to the program times being off by a lot at night)
[13:13] <patdk-lap> heh, I never had an issue with that
[13:14] <patdk-lap> normally they all sync up exactly with ntp
[13:25] <dekarl> patdk-lap: lucky you
[14:02] <Ankhwatcher> dekarl: where would I change those settings?
[14:08] <dekarl> hmm, I changed it via mythweb (RecordOverTime and RecordPreRoll) but that's only one way to do it and only half the settings
[14:09] <dekarl> (the value is the time in seconds, soo RecordPreRoll of 300 is start 5 minutes early)
[14:11] <dekarl> and hard padding (defaults for your recording rules, existing rules must be manually adjusted) is at DefaultEndOffset and DefaultStartOffset, it's the time in minutes
[14:11] <dekarl> both are global settings
[14:18] <Ankhwatcher> dekarl: ah mythweb would be convienent I'll do it there.
[14:29] <Ankhwatcher> My DefaultEndOffset is set to 5 minutes
[14:30] <Ankhwatcher> My TimeOffset is set to auto, would that affect this?
[14:35] <dekarl> don't think so. But I have no idea what all these TimeOffsets are good for. IMHO they shoudl die
[14:36] <Ankhwatcher> it's a shame the recorder can't pull the clock from the signal and record at it's pace
[14:37] <dekarl> why? Is that time any better?
[14:37] <Ankhwatcher> well if it records at a time in-sync with what it is recording then it will record at the right time
[14:37] <Ankhwatcher> but they probably don't have a time signal.
[14:38] <dekarl> IIRC every DVB mux must carry the time, but that doenst help with data that's just wrong
[14:39] <Ankhwatcher> iirc?
[14:39] <dekarl> if i remember correctly. Try dvbsnoop on PID 70
[14:39] <Ankhwatcher> in immediate remote control?
[14:40] <dekarl> well, you are looking for the TDT and TOT tables, whatever PID they go ;)
[14:40] <dekarl> and you should have a PTS clock, might be interesting to look at that and see if it's any good
[14:41] <dekarl> the tables are per Multiplex/Transport, the PTS should be per program (IIRC :)
[14:41] <Ankhwatcher> my two linux boxes are showing about the same time, this windows computer is 30 seconds faster
[14:45] <Ankhwatcher> Yes! I got that sleep function working
[14:45] <Ankhwatcher> I had to do it slightly differently then the guide
[14:49] <Ankhwatcher> Now I have yet-another new question:
[14:49] <Ankhwatcher> when I watch HD through this frontend the video works fine but the sound stutters
[14:50] <Ankhwatcher> it doesn't happen when I watch recorded hd, just streaming
[14:51] <Ankhwatcher> I've tried changing the playback profile to slim, but that didn't help
[14:51] <Ankhwatcher> any ideas?
[14:58] <dekarl> What mythtv version are you running? I vaguely remember something about bbc hd stutter lately... (need to look it up)
[14:59] <dekarl> http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10079 <- BBC HD audio when switching between 5.1 and 2.0
[15:02] <dekarl> that's with livetv? does pausing and unpausing change it? (quoting from a ticket) but it's best to avoid LiveTV anyway :)
[15:11] <Ankhwatcher> Not sure about pausing and unpausing
[15:11] <Ankhwatcher> will try that
[15:12] <Ankhwatcher> and what kind of talk is "it's best to avoid LiveTV anyway", where is your can-do linux spirit?
[15:14] <dekarl> it's the "the developers don't use it, so it's likely to be less polished then recordings. patches appreciated" spirit
[15:15] <dekarl> I prefer to stay in "known working well" land :)
[15:36] <tgm4883> I'll agree with that, I can't remember the last time I watched Live TV at home
[15:37] <Ankhwatcher> well pausing and playing the buffered stream instead didn't help unfortunately.
[15:44] <dekarl> Ankhwatcher: then it's likely not http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6922
[15:54] <Ankhwatcher> Doesn't look like it, no. The video plays perfectly smoothly


[16:10] <codehotter> Hi. I'd like to get prometheus-node-exporter 1.0.0 into ubuntu 18.04. The current version is 0.18. If I understand correctly, I should first attempt to get prometheus-node-exporter 1.0.0 into groovy, and then I can request a backport. Is this correct? If yes, how do I help get prometheus-node-exporter 1.0.0 into groovy?
[16:11] <codehotter> I am fairly confident I will be able to package it, but I'm not sure what to do after that.
[16:11] <codehotter> Should I find out who the maintainer is and contact them?
[16:14] <codehotter> Ohhh, hold on, I need to get it into debian?
[16:15] <hggdh> probably, since we tend to sync from debian
[16:18] <hggdh> yes, you need to get Debian to upgrade first. prometheus-node-exporter is in Universe, so it is a sync
[16:23] <codehotter> Thanks!