[02:54] <Adys> is there a package for libdrm-2.4.24?
[02:54] <durt> hey folks, any pointers to why I don't have 3d running anymore? (i915). And I do believe 'intel' is running ok from Xorg.0.log
[02:58] <Adys> durt: see link in /topic, it's a transition phase wrt xorg atm, lots of issues with 3d
[03:00] <durt> Adys, I see...explains what I'm seeing today, but I lost compiz quite some time ago... oh well.
[03:27] <gpc> !info libdrm2
[03:37] <Adys> Is the package plymouth-x11 still needed?
[03:37] <Adys> i see it's not marked as supported anymore
[03:47] <hv> is the window placement in the new compiz slightly screwed? the shadow of the windows seems to be treated like its border.
[03:48] <hv> or perhaps there is some configuration baggage from compiz 0.8 that is causing it?
[07:25] <twager> !nvidia
[07:41] <rxd> what's with with applications menu it disappears
[10:25] <Lynoure> hello.
[10:26] <Lynoure> My natty cannot find mpeg etc codecs, what repo / package are they from?
[10:26] <Lynoure> It proposes to install them and then does not find them
[10:26] <bazhang> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:26] <bazhang> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:28] <Lynoure> Yup, there we go. Thanks
[10:28] <bazhang> welcome
[11:57] <kklimonda> hey, did the nvidia power support sheduled for 2.6.38?
[11:57] <kklimonda> is*
[11:58] <kklimonda> I shall not change the sentence in the middle
[12:02] <om26er> where can I find unity-2d developers? is there an IRC ?
[12:02] <coz_> om26er,  #ayanta  I believe
[12:03] <coz_> wrong spelling
[12:03] <coz_> hold on
[12:03] <coz_> om26er,    #ayatana
[12:04] <coz_> om26er,  is there an issue you need to dicuss?
[12:04] <coz_> discuss
[12:04] <om26er> hmm -2d developers are there too ?
[12:04] <om26er> na
[12:04] <om26er> no issue just wanted to see the discussions and stuff, have not seen em in #ayatana
[12:04] <coz_> om26er,   that would be the place then
[12:05] <om26er> #ubuntu-arm
[12:05] <om26er> oops
[12:05] <coz_> :)
[12:06] <coz_> mm hey guys.  I did notice this  "fake"  gnome panel across the secondary monitor  ,, a bit  alarming at first...although I only did partial update because of the nvidia issue
[12:07] <coz_> I am also noticing...after logging in ..as things are starting up...the unity /gnome panel and the it being quickly overlayed by the classic gnome panel... also could be as a result of partial updates
[14:30] <root_> hello after I've installed updates via update manager ubuntu is not loading anymore
[14:31] <penguin42> how far does it get?
[14:32] <root_> also i have installed nvidia drivers, last message in console  says starting CUPS [OK] I'm writing from tty2
[14:33] <penguin42> ok, lets go back a step - what exactly did you do between it working and it stopping working?
[14:33] <root_> run update manager installed updates
[14:33] <root_> then installed nvidia driver and rebooted
[14:33] <penguin42> ok, so it's booted just X isn't starting?
[14:34] <root_> yes
[14:34] <penguin42> what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to say?
[14:35] <root_> NOUVEAU (0) : Closed GPU channel 2
[14:35] <root_> i've tried nvidia-xconfig and startx
[14:35] <root_> but it says that there is no /usr/bin/X
[14:36] <penguin42> I don't know much about the nvidia drivers; can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:37] <penguin42> there is a command line program called pastebiniit which should be able to do it for you
[14:37] <root_> how to do that from console is there any wgetpaste like prog?
[14:37] <root_> oh thanks
[14:40] <root_> paste.ubuntu.com/566318
[14:41] <root_> how i can try to manually start xorg? restarting gdm doesn't makes sence
[14:42] <penguin42> root_: OK, reading that log, it couldn't find the closed source nvidia module, and is trying nouveau
[14:42] <root_> how to fix that?
[14:43] <penguin42> root_: Not sure, I don't know the nvidia stuff (I use Intel and ATI) startx should work for trying X
[14:43] <penguin42> root_: I think you might  try jockey-text  to install the Nvidia driver
[14:44] <kklimonda> did nvidia release a working driver for new X
[14:44] <kklimonda> ?
[14:47] <root_> what driver is used by default?
[14:47] <root_> nouveau?
[14:47] <penguin42> root_: Yeh, it looks like it tries the closed source one, then nouveau, thenthe 2d nv then ood old fashoned fb
[14:49] <root_> if i will uninstall that closed source nvidia driver that shall help?
[14:49] <penguin42> root_: I'd try to get the basics working without that first
[14:50] <penguin42> root_: How did you install it?
[14:50] <root_> with additional drivers gui
[14:50] <penguin42> ok
[14:52] <root_> as i understand i shall remove that nvidia-current package and generated xorg.conf right?
[14:52] <penguin42> I think I'd use jockey-text to remove it
[14:53] <root_> sorry what is jockey-text?
[14:53] <root_> ah got it :)
[14:54] <penguin42> root_: The 'additional driver' gui is a front end to jockey
[14:54] <root_> it just searches drivers and returns nothing
[14:54] <penguin42> ok, then as you say, nuke the package
[14:54] <root_> no man page too
[14:54] <penguin42> and the xorg.conf
[14:55] <root_> i used "purge" option
[14:55] <root_> that's right?
[14:55] <penguin42> yeh
[14:55] <root_> penguin42: thank you very much for help, gonna reboot
[14:55] <penguin42> thank me when it works!
[15:01] <root_> removing nvidia-current and xorg.conf doesn't helped
[15:01] <root_> why on startx it says /usr/bin/X not found?
[15:02] <root_> and now console has higher resolution and can't parse cyrillic chars
[15:04] <penguin42> root_: Do you have the xserver-xorg package installed?
[15:04] <root_> it says no
[15:05] <root_> how to search with apt?
[15:05] <Daekdroom> sudo apt-cache search
[15:05] <root_> thanks
[15:05] <penguin42> not having xserver-xorg installed is odd
[15:09] <root_> xserver-xorg is in list when i try apt-cache search xserver-xorg --installed
[15:10] <root_> ah it's in /usr/bin/X11/startx
[15:10] <kklimonda> root_: apt-cache search --installed doesn't mean it's installed
[15:11] <kklimonda> see what apt-cache policy        --installed
[15:11] <kklimonda> argh
[15:11] <kklimonda> what apt-cache policy xserver-xorg returns
[15:12] <root_> 1:7.6~3ubuntu4 natty/main
[15:13] <root_> damn can't see letters
[15:13] <root_> smthing with codepage
[15:17] <root_> guys i'm sorry but could u tell what paste.ubuntu.com/566335 says about X server?
[15:19] <penguin42> root_: Could not start command /usr/bin/X -br -verbose
[15:19] <kklimonda> root_: what does ls -l /usr/bin/X return?
[15:20] <kklimonda> if you don't have this file then you don't have xserver-xorg properly installed.
[15:22] <penguin42> root_: What happens if you do apt-get install xserver-xorg
[15:26] <root_> kklimonda: no such file or dir
[15:26] <root_> damn i can't read output at all
[15:27] <kklimonda> launch bash with LC_ALL=C
[15:27] <kklimonda> LC_ALL=C bash
[15:27] <kklimonda> (which won't help, as I don't know which output you can't read)
[15:28] <root_> wow
[15:28] <root_> apt-cache says it's not installed
[15:29] <root_> apt-get install xserver-xorg shows list of packages that would be installed
[15:30] <root_> how that happend? I've got gnome fully installed and working, could nvidia-driver uninstalled xserver?
[15:30] <Daekdroom> Given that nvidia driver is currently broken, it's possible
[15:32] <penguin42> root_: Might be best to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop just to make sure you have the full set of normal stuff
[15:33] <root_> X started woohoo
[15:34] <root_> thank you much for help guys
[15:34] <penguin42> no prob
[15:36] <root_> emm maybe that sounds weird but i uninstalled ubuntu-desktop as dep of indicator-applet, could be the reason of missing xorg server? :D
[15:38] <penguin42> no, shouldn't take out xserver-xorg
[15:40] <root_> ok thanks
[15:57] <ImGangsta> !ops
[15:58] <tsimpson> fail
[16:53] <vish> tsimpson: goosh! he is such a bother.. atleast the tiniest of trolls have something to troll about :/
[16:54] <vish> maybe ops should just ignore his "!o-ps"
[16:54] <Daekdroom> vish, I don't think that a flashing window is easy to ignore.
[16:55] <Daekdroom> I recall this person that used !ops three times just to realize what it did, and then got kicked.
[16:56] <vish> Daekdroom: nah, he knows what he is doing. he has bee at it atleast twice in the past couple of weeks
[16:56] <vish> been*
[16:56] <tsimpson> they hit multiple channels multiple times, I don't think we should ignore that
[16:56] <vish>  it is totally redundant to just keep pinging ops, when you have nothing to troll about :/
[16:57] <vish> tsimpson: it seems it is his fun to just get banned.. so banning him only entices him more :)
[16:59] <tsimpson> maybe, but not banning him allows him to constantly disrupt channels
[17:00] <vish> maybe, yea..
[17:01] <penguin42> change the bot to do something more interesting for him?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> ohay
[17:02] <vish> bugabuga! ;)
[17:02] <BUGabundo> VISSSSHHHHH
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> anyone have problems with the microphone using empathy/telepathy over msn conversations?
[18:17] <Goog_Josh1> can anybody help me to install and run kylix 3 on my ubuntu 1010
[18:21] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[18:21] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[18:26] <nailora> i have some problems that the selected theme is not applied (except for window borders). any ideas?
[18:27] <nailora> http://nailor.devzero.de/oneshot/2011-02-12/Screenshot.png/8efd168320b79a12/Screenshot.png
[18:45] <coz_> nailora,  I have had this issue in the past  did you restart x and try again
[18:50] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[18:50] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[19:43] <Pici> Can someone confirm a gnome-terminal issue before I report a bug?
[19:43] <penguin42> what is it?
[19:43] <Pici> My g-t profile has the menubar off by default, but when I open g-t, its on, and the setting is unchecked in the menu itself.  I need to toggle the checkbox twice before it will turn the menubar off.
[19:46] <penguin42> well, for me if I turn it off in the profile and then open a new terminal the menubar is off
[19:46] <Pici> Hm.
[19:46] <Daekdroom> If I turn it off in the profile and open a new terminal, it's on :(
[19:46] <Daekdroom> Classic Gnome, btw.
[19:47] <Pici> me too. Okay.
[19:47] <Pici> oh, thats annoying too.  I just opened a new terminal, and the menu bar showed up there, and on my old terminal that I was using before.
[19:57] <nekoCAT> I just did a fresh install of Xubuntu daily.  First, its nice that the gtk resize handle on the desktop is gone.
[19:57] <nekoCAT> The multiple menu entries are gone as well.
[19:57] <Daekdroom> nekoCAT, The thing on the bottom right of every window?
[19:57] <Pici> bug #717859 logged
[19:57] <nekoCAT> No, there was a bug with the resize handle showing up on the corner of the desktop.
[19:58] <nekoCAT> That was fixed and I thank the developers for that.
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[19:59] <Daekdroom> I recall it showing up in the gnome panel
[19:59] <nekoCAT> In this particular Xubuntu daily build, some of the shortcuts in the bottom panel are broken.
[20:02] <nekoCAT> The Firefox/Thunderbird launchers are just empty placeholders.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> report a bug for that against xfce4-panel
[20:03] <nekoCAT> charlie-tca: Okay, can do.
[20:06] <nekoCAT> jockey shows up in the systray without an icon.  Is this a known problem?
[20:07] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[20:07] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[20:07] <charlie-tca> yeah, sort of. Jockey has some issues since stuff is still broken
[20:08] <nekoCAT> Quick question, is it safe to install the nvidia drivers yet?  Has anyone tried?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> they are broken yet, as far as I know
[20:09] <nekoCAT> Thank you.  I will hold off on that then.
[20:10] <nekoCAT> I must be off.  I will report the panel icon bug in launchpad later today.
[20:11]  * penguin42 notes that xorg-edgers is broken on Radeon for me on Natty as of an update sometime in the last week
[20:12] <robin0800> penguin42, define broken please?
[20:12] <penguin42> robin0800: gdm won't render the login box properly - didn't get any further; logs full of 'r600_packet3_check:1330 invalid cmd stream 408'
[20:13] <penguin42> sorry, kdm
[20:13] <penguin42> sorry^2, gdm!
[20:13] <robin0800> penguin42, does r600 use gallium driver?
[20:14] <penguin42> robin0800: I don't know
[20:14] <robin0800> penguin42, do glxinfo will tell you
[20:15] <Daekdroom> r600 does not use gallium by default.
[20:15] <Daekdroom> (not even xorg-edgers)
[20:15] <penguin42> robin0800: I've dropped back to the standard natty packages and I don't see any sign of the word 'gallium' in glxinfo output
[20:15] <penguin42> what is Gallium?
[20:15] <penguin42> the card is an HD4350 rv710
[20:16] <Daekdroom> Gallium is some replacement for classic Mesa.
[20:16] <Daekdroom> r300 driver uses gallium by default already. Faster, better, smaller code.
[20:16] <Daekdroom> The mesa driver that uses gallium is called r300g. The one that uses classic mesa code is called r300 or r300c
[20:16] <penguin42> ah ok
[20:17] <robin0800> Daekdroom, only up to 500 I guess and has a tearing issue with compiz
[20:17] <Daekdroom> robin0800, r300 driver also handles r400 and r500 cards ;)
[20:18] <robin0800> Daekdroom, yes but it still needs some work I think
[20:19] <Daekdroom> robin0800, nah. r300g is way better than r300c at this point. r600c, on the other hand, is more stable than r600g, however slower
[20:20] <robin0800> Daekdroom, well I've got tearing in compiz with it
[20:27] <penguin42> oh dear - that's a good crash - it's stuck playing the last ~3 seconds of audio
[20:28] <hellyeah> ubuntu 11.10 exist ?
[20:28] <penguin42> repeatedly, in a loop saying 'move the bodies, No Doctor'
[20:30] <Pici> Which Doctor?
[20:30] <penguin42> Ducky
[20:31] <Pici> Oh that show.
[20:31] <penguin42> NCIS
[20:31] <Pici> Yeah, that show/.
[20:32] <penguin42> is not having a good day for video related issues
[20:41] <arand> hellyeah: no, all current development is happening on 11.04
[20:43] <Omega> "Preferred Applications" isn't detecting Opera as a browser
[20:44] <Omega> so I can't seem to set it as my default browser
[20:45] <penguin42> also seems to be kicing a few radeon_cs_ioctl *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -35! crashes
[20:48] <ImGangsta> !ops
[20:48] <ImGangsta> im gangsta
[20:48] <ImGangsta> !ops
[20:53] <raknorak> hi there
[20:53] <raknorak> it's funny that the bug reporting tool, is unstable and crash by collecting details for a bug report :D
[20:58] <penguin42> ah that's not good - which one - KDE or gnome?
[20:59] <raknorak> gnome
[20:59] <penguin42> how did it crash?
[21:00] <raknorak> first did compiz crash, and after pressing send report the app itself crashing
[21:01] <raknorak> compiz crashes after clicking the ubuntu logo und the top left
[21:01] <raknorak> *on
[21:02] <penguin42> out of interest which graphics card?
[21:02] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> anyone having microphone issues with Natty?
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> my laptop mic worked fine in maverick, but doesn't work in natty
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> raknorak
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> lol
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> same thing happens to me
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> i am using an asus laptop with intel graphics
[21:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> it crashes, and while i attempt to bug report i get like crash after crash and the screen fills up with boxes lol
[21:05] <raknorak> it's a macbook 2.1 with intel gma950
[21:06] <raknorak> and sometimes the window decoration disappears
[21:07] <raknorak> the application folder in unity 3d, is not scrollable with the touchpad (any other app works fine with that) und it's kinda laggy with scrolling with the scrollbar itself
[21:08] <penguin42> X does seem very flaky at the moment
[21:09] <raknorak> and it would be nice, that the toolbar on the left would not hide if a window comes to the border
[21:09] <raknorak> maybe as an option
[21:41] <Guest34735> the interface crashs if a flash video plays and banshee will start
[21:46] <penguin42> I don't seem to get anything logged to /var/log/messages any more - is everyone else seeing that?
[21:46] <Daekdroom> cat /var/log/messages doesn't display anything in here
[21:47] <penguin42> bug or feature?
[21:48] <Daekdroom> Who knows? *dun dun dun dun*
[22:03] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> will natty have gnome 3.0?
[22:03] <Daekdroom> Ibn_Ali_al-Turki, Yes, but its default desktop interface will be Unity instead of Gnome Shell
[22:04] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Feature - found the changelog comment
[22:04] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> Daekdroom thanks, i know that...but i was wondering if the classic desktop will be 3.0, or remain as 2.30
[22:04] <Daekdroom> Ibn_Ali_al-Turki, Classic Desktop will be 2.32, because 3.0 is Gnome Shell already, and that is not "Classic Desktop"
[22:05] <Daekdroom> Ibn_Ali_al-Turki, but I'd expect them to compile everything to GTK+3 if it's possible.
[22:05] <Ibn_Ali_al-Turki> thanks
[23:25] <lithpr> hi- i've tried to add the kubuntu backports repo, but am getting this error:  W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backportsv/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[23:26] <Daekdroom> lithpr, why are you using a maverick PPA on a natty install anyway?
[23:26] <lithpr> i'm trying to get the natty updates into maverick
[23:26] <Daekdroom> lithpr, this is not exactly the channel for that
[23:27] <Daekdroom> lithpr, but what happens is: the link is wrong
[23:27] <lithpr> hmmm
[23:27] <Daekdroom> lithpr, there's a "backportsv" there. It's only backports
[23:27] <lithpr> Daekdroom: okay, thank you.  it is what got added with "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports"
[23:28] <lithpr> weird.   thank you Daekdroom, i will try changing that url
[23:44] <nekoCAT> I would just like to extend my support for the integration of gmusicbrowser in xubuntu.
[23:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[23:47] <charlie-tca> it is nice, isn't it?
[23:48] <nekoCAT> charlie-tca:  It is, and it recognizes and sorts the tags better than other music players I have tried.


[15:32] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:35] <mark76> Morning
[15:36] <mr_pouit> hey
[23:26] <ochosi> hi charlie-tca
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Hello, ochosi
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Hey, got a report that a couple of launchers are empty in today's image
[23:29] <charlie-tca> browser and something else are missing the actual launcher
[23:30] <ochosi> right, i just talked to mr_pouit and he said he's in the process of uploading them
[23:30] <ochosi> mr_pouit ^
[23:30]  * charlie-tca too slow, again
[23:30] <ochosi> nvm
[23:30] <ochosi> i haven't been able to test the new launchers yet
[23:30] <ochosi> but i can quickly do that later
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I am downloading the 10.04.2 images to test them
[23:31] <ochosi> i just wanted to ask you about the meeting minutes from this week
[23:31] <ochosi> nice
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I didn't get them posted yet
[23:31] <ochosi> k, np
[23:31] <charlie-tca> I am behind again
[23:31] <ochosi> just wanted to check what my todo-items are to be sure not to miss anything
[23:32] <ochosi> iirc the deadline for the UWN article is wednesday, correct?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> yes, if you can do it
[23:32] <ochosi> i'll try
[23:32] <charlie-tca> if not, it is fine to run over
[23:32] <ochosi> it'll be a bit hasty for sure, because from tomorrow till wednesday i'll be visiting my parents
[23:32] <ochosi> so not really time to write it there i suppose
[23:33] <charlie-tca> shoot for the end of the week then
[23:33] <mr_pouit> it's already uploaded
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Thank you, mr_pouit
[23:33] <mr_pouit> but maybe the current elementary icon theme in natty doesn't contain the icons
[23:33] <mr_pouit> (I only use trunk from bzr, so I didn't check)
[23:34] <ochosi> yeah, same here mr_pouit
[23:34] <ochosi> i haven't checked yet
[23:34] <ochosi> but i think browser and email icons should be there
[23:34] <ochosi> what icon-names did you use in the launchers?
[23:35] <ochosi> charlie-tca: ok, thanks, i think until the end of the week it's doable (UWN)
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That would be great
[23:35] <ochosi> k, i'll quickly reboot to natty and check whether the launchers work and also whether the icons are there... brb
[23:41] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'm afraid it's true, something must've gone wrong, the three launchers are just empty
[23:41] <ochosi> mr_pouit: no icon, nothing else
[23:42] <mr_pouit> grmpf
[23:42] <mr_pouit> I hate that when that happens
[23:42] <ochosi> sry :)
[23:42] <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, you said you
[23:42] <ochosi> 'd send another email to the ubuntu-art ml?
[23:42] <ochosi> is that still the plan?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:45] <ochosi> ok
[23:45] <charlie-tca> to try and get more color into the wallpapers, right?
[23:45] <ochosi> yes, i'm in favor of that
[23:46] <ochosi> another thought: i think that a darker wallpaper works better with the theme than one as bright as maverick's default
[23:46] <ochosi> i've been testing the maverick-wp for a while and then switched back to the one from karmic and it's a lot nicer
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I will suggest that, too, then. Let's see if we can get a mix of some kind
[23:46] <ochosi> yep
[23:47] <mr_pouit> ochosi: beh, I think this is due to the fact that I hide these .desktop from the main menu
[23:47] <ochosi> it's a good idea to give them some input now, because somehow after a short period of submissions the "trail has gotten cold" a bit now..…
[23:47] <ochosi> mr_pouit: awwh
[23:47] <mr_pouit> xfce4-panel queries this menu, and cannot find these desktop files, so the launcher is empty
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I agree, ochosi. I will try to shake it up again
[23:48] <ochosi> mr_pouit: so we have to find a solution to integrate those default launchers in a meaningful way
[23:48] <charlie-tca> I seem pretty good at that ;-)
[23:48] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yep, go for it ;)
[23:49] <mr_pouit> ochosi: yeah ;] (I just tried here on Debian, and they are visible, because I didn't change my menu)
[23:49] <ochosi> right
[23:50] <ochosi> hm, what do you think about having an entry called "Default Web Browser" and "Default Email Client" in Internet?
[23:50] <ochosi> s/Internet/Network
[23:50] <charlie-tca> I like that idea
[23:51] <ochosi> btw, somehow the category-name Internet might even make more sense to most people than "Network"....
[23:51] <ochosi> (even though i'm aware that "internet" isn't correct for what can be in that category)
[23:51] <mr_pouit> ochosi: no, they are not called like that, and we can't change their name without breaking translations
[23:51] <ochosi> arrr
[23:52] <ochosi> so either "Web Browser" (with the "Default") or nothing?
[23:52] <mr_pouit> yeah
[23:52] <ochosi> not much room for ideas, hu?
[23:52] <mr_pouit> that's why I hide them by default, because it's a bit redundant
[23:52] <ochosi> we could also create a subcategory/menu of settings called "Default Applications"?
[23:53] <ochosi> including a launcher to the default app-settings (that you'd normally call through xfce4-settinsg)
[23:53] <ochosi> (i mean "Preferred Applications")
[23:53] <mr_pouit> yeah, I think we can
[23:53] <ochosi> btw, Preferred Applications is kinda misleading
[23:53] <mr_pouit> or we put them back at the top-level menu
[23:54] <ochosi> hmyeah, but i don't really like that too much
[23:54] <ochosi> feels like a step back
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Long as it is not going to screw people up when they change the default app
[23:54] <ochosi> i tested it after the last meeting
[23:55] <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, those launchers always use whatever is the exo-default
[23:55] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i mean i can imagine having default browser and mail-client in the top-lvl-menu, but with file-manager and terminal the list gets a bit long imo…+#
[23:56]  * ochosi doesn't like his old keyboard
[23:56] <mark76> What about using launchers within launchers?
[23:56] <ochosi> mark76: what's that?
[23:57] <mark76> You know how when you create a launcher you can add them to a sidebar in the launcher creation window
[23:57] <mark76> Look. Just add a launcher to your panel and you'll see
[23:57] <ochosi> mark76: we're talking about the menu
[23:57] <mark76> Oh right
[23:57] <ochosi> ;)
[23:58] <mark76> I think the menu should have what's installed in it
[23:58] <mr_pouit> ochosi: bwah, even a new category will need new translations (unless we call it like an existing desktop file, e.g. "Preferred Applications", so we can reuse translations from exo)…
[23:58] <ochosi> mr_pouit: hm, in terms of consistency we should either stick to "preferred" in both places or switch to "default" instead completely
[23:59] <ochosi> using "preferred" in xfce4-settings and "default" in the menu doesn't make any sense


[14:53]  * RenatoUrbanoGome  < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/20853780ee49c8d69950cbd3b0cb6f541f5acb2f/message.txt >
[15:01] <rgh> Renato Urbano Gomes: which video card do you use ?
[15:02] <rgh> oh,the easycap is a capture device
[15:02] <rgh> > I could also record my microphone.
[15:02] <rgh> what kind of microphone ?
[15:02] <rgh>  * >
[15:02] <rgh> I could also record my microphone.
[15:02] <rgh>  what kind of microphone ?
[15:02] <rgh>  *
[15:02] <rgh> >I could also record my microphone.
[15:02] <rgh> what kind of microphone ?
[15:23] <RenatoUrbanoGome> > I could also record my microphone.
[15:23] <RenatoUrbanoGome> what kind of microphone ?
[15:23] <RenatoUrbanoGome> is a headset, gamer headset
[15:26] <OvenWerks> RenatoUrbanoGome: microphone: USB, bluetooth, internal audio, etc.
[15:48] <RenatoUrbanoGome> > Renato Urbano Gomes: microphone: USB, bluetooth, internal audio, etc.
[15:48] <RenatoUrbanoGome> sorry i didn't understand, english is not my native language.
[15:48] <RenatoUrbanoGome> I connect the input and output cable.
[15:49] <OvenWerks> So internal I would guess.
[15:49] <OvenWerks> That is the built in audio
[15:52] <OvenWerks> In general OBS should just work then. Unless you are using jack (I would guess not though)
[16:01] <RenatoUrbanoGome> I do not understand English, I'm confused and frustrated. I love linux, I don't want to go back to Windows :(
[16:10] <OvenWerks> There are ubuntu channels for a number of other languages.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> I don't know them all but Eickmeyer[k] does.
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> What language, RenatoUrbanoGome?
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> <RenatoUrbanoGome "I do not understand English, I'm"> What language do you need?


[05:30] <magic_ninja> how can I check my firmware version for amdgpu
 i wanna install a theme and i get this
 Download of "Win11OS-light Global Theme" failed, error: SETTINGS invalid number of concurrent streams
[11:17] <arraybolt3[m]> This is odd, I've seen other people reporting this exact same problem. This is probably a bug in Kubuntu.
 Ok
 talking to me or oskar ? (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> This is odd, I've seen other people reporting this exact same problem. This is probably a bug in Kubuntu.)
[11:19] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: You. This "invalid number of concurrent streams" thing.
 haa (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: You. This "invalid number of concurrent streams" thing.)
[11:20] <arraybolt3[m]> I think you're the second or third person who's noticed this. I may try to replicate this and report it.
 i hope to fix it soon
 So i got an error 2, when i wanna download themes
 Om 22.04
[11:21] <arraybolt3[m]> The problem is I have no clue how to fix it, and other people have been remarkably silent when this issue comes up, suggesting they don't know how to fix it either.
 it is a small bug but it dose matters (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> The problem is I have no clue how to fix it, and other people have been remarkably silent when this issue comes up, suggesting they don't know how to fix it either.)
[11:22] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: That makes three or four of you. This has to be a bug. I'll get a good bug report written soon.
 Arraybolt, ibgotna pc from a friend, but i just can download dev version when i do release upgrade.. normal release upgrade says that no dev version is found
[11:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: That's normal. Upgrades from 20.04 to 22.04 aren't usually allowed until a bit after 22.04.1 is released. Using the "development version" upgrade in this instance will actually let you upgrade early, it doesn't upgrade you to the latest development release.
 Okay and how can i get from 22.04 dev to normal 22.04?
 Dont want to reinstall
[11:27] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: I don't think 22.04 dev is a thing. The current dev version is 22.10. The "development" upgrade just upgrades you to 22.04 in this particular scenario.
 Ok so it is the 22.04 from homepage?
[11:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Really, Ubuntu should have an extra switch when doing the release upgrade just for early upgrades, but instead they decided to make the "-d" option work differently in one particular scenario.)
[11:28] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Yep. Pretty sure.
 Ok nice so my friend got the new version 😊👍
[11:28] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
 THOUGHT he would be an early adopter
[11:32] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: LOL I upgraded to 22.04 pretty quickly, too. Loving it so far.
 On 22.04 it causes a steam error in a paticular situation
[11:34] <arraybolt3[m]> I remember that. Still not sure what exactly went wrong there. I can't help but think maybe Steam had uploaded a bad .deb file or something and that by the time we tried to replicate it the file had been fixed. At least one of the times this mess happened before, it was because of something like that.
[11:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Still, scary. Way too close for comfort.
 Steam gets updates regulary 1 to 3 days after every restart
 What i have seen so far
 On Windows its daily updated
[11:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Man. I'll keep an eye out for anyone else who has a similar problem.
 I will try a release upgrade too on my notebook. Wothout the 5.18 kerbel and without installing steam (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Still, scary. Way too close for comfort.)
 Sonnow ibhave to know what to do afrer release upgrade
[11:38] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. But make sure your data is backed up and everything, since release upgrades are notorious for breaking systems (though not like Steam does sometimes...).
 Yes😊
 Whats the important things to do after a release upgrade?
[11:39] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Nothing much that I know of. Make sure all your software still works so you don't get any surprises. That's the best I can think of.
 Wanted to do it on my friends pc, when ive done this, i can do it on my machine as well
 Delete old packages and such things
 And set the sources up
[11:40] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: You may want to remove any software installed through PPAs before upgrading though. There's a way to upgrade with them still in place, but you're usually supposed to remove them first, then add them back when you're done.
 Dont know how to clear sources
[11:41] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: AFAIK, Ubuntu's release upgrade handles that stuff for you.
 The sources from 20.04 are still in his sources list but deactivated hebwant me to clear this up
[11:42] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Oh. Odd, didn't know about that. If they're commented out, I don't think there's any need to mess with them, but I guess you can remove the commented lines if you want.
 Ok... Then i dont do anything about this when i delete the false ones in accident, updates go wrong
[11:44] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: And as far as removing old packages goes, a simple "sudo apt autoremove" or "sudo apt autopurge" ought to do the trick (though make sure that you don't uninstall 90% of the OS if you do this - removing certain software from your system could end up messing with your dependencies and confusing apt when you go to do an autoremove, so if it looks like it's going to uninstall way too much stuff, that's because it probably is.
 Yes
 And is there any spotify client, other than snap? The snap version has a freezing bug when you choose to change the sound quality.
 In the list of sound quality xou just can choose automatic , not low or very high?
 Its a bug from snap package
[11:48] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: There's the Flatpak version too, I didn't end up having a system explosion when using it, so I don't think the problem with Steam was specific to Steam + Flatpak.
 Whe i install flatpak, you only get flatpaks not the deb version anymore i noticed so far
[11:50] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Oy. Maybe you can install flatpak but not install the Discover extension and just install Flatpaks from the command line?
 Ok how can i do this from command line?
[11:51] <arraybolt3[m]> flatpak install flathub com.spotify.Client
 Ok thank you
 In flatpak version i know that this bug is non existent
 On 22.04 the spzrces for kubuntu are non existent release data available
 Sources
[11:55] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Is it not allowing you to upgrade?
 I added the flat pak repositories for kubuntu on his pc, but it says there is no release candidate
 Sonits disabled
[11:57] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Flatpak should be available as part of the Ubuntu repositories, no need to add any external repos.
[11:57] <arraybolt3[m]> The external repos mentioned in the Flathub setup guide for Ubuntu are for old versions of Ubuntu.
 Ok then i try it without them
 I put on the discover extension, so hebgets newer versions of program, when he uses apt hebgets other software too
 No remote refs found for com.spotify.client
[12:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Check for typos, that's the best I can figure.
 How?
[12:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Like, just make sure you didn't make any typos in your commands. Other than that, I don't know what's gone wrong. I got the command for installing Spotify straight off of Flathub.
 Ok i restart now and try again
 No remote refs available
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5ed716ae/file_57735.jpg
 It deactivates the sources from itself
 Its notbsafe it is saying all the time
[12:15] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: You still have the Flatpak PPA enabled on your system. That's probably the problem.
 How to disable
[12:15] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: First, do "sudo apt purge flatpak" to clean up.
 Done
[12:16] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Now, run "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d". There should be a file with a very long name in there related to FlatPak.
 Flatpak uninstalled
[12:16] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Do you see the file I'm talking about?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1ce102c3/file_57736.jpg
[12:18] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/flatpak-ubuntu-stable-focal.list && sudo apt update
 Ok done
 Now reinstall?
[12:22] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Yeah.
 Thx
 Rebooting
 Ok worked for me
[12:25] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
 Thank you now i learned something new
[12:28] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Nice. Hey, as you use your system, make sure Google Chrome and Skype are staying updated - it looks like you upgraded your system with them in place, and in the event that they stop getting updates, you may want to remove the old PPA files and reinstall them. (Not that you need to do that now, but if you notice them no longer getting updates, that's a fix to try.)
 Ok thank you i reinstall them
[12:29] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Make sure to back up any saved passwords in Chrome first!
[12:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (Your Google account might do that automatically, but better safe than sorry.)
 No passwords saved 😊
[12:30] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
 Should i do the same thing for chrome like for flatpak and skype? I installed them from website
 Done it and worked perfectly.
[12:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Woot!
 Skype was uninstalled at the upgrade
 So i just had to remove the list
 Donyou know why linux shows 12 corea but i have just 6 cores in my processor?
[12:54] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Hyperthreading. Many modern CPUs have a technology that allows each CPU core to provide two "threads" or logical processors. It helps speed up your system.
 Ok thanks
 Good to know 😊
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:19] <Juanmorel> saludos!
[16:37] <Ondy> Hello guys.
[16:38] <Ondy> Can i have a question?
[16:39] <mybalzitch> absolutely. I'd like to know how to easily enable uefi
[16:39] <alkisg> !ask
[16:40] <alkisg> mybalzitch: you enable uefi in the bios settings, then when you boot from an installation usb stick you press f12 to see the bios boot manager and select "uefi: stick" there  instead of plain "stick"
[16:40] <mybalzitch> alkisg: *without reinstalling
[16:40] <mybalzitch> *easily enable booting via UEFI from a system installed w/ CSM support enabled
[16:41] <alkisg> mybalzitch: what's the output of these commands? (sudo lsblk --fs; ls /sys/firmware/efi) | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:41] <mybalzitch> I'm not in linux currently, and I have to boot w/ csm off. I just get the grub promp if I try to boot my install w/ uefi on
[16:44] <Ondy> Hello guys. I would like to make my laptop with 3 OS systems. Windows, Kubuntu and ChromeOS (Chrome OS required in my job). Is there any chance how to do it? But there is also one problem. I have only one HDD and it have so many diferent things there... like for example it have emergency Live ISO of win 8.... But i would like to wipe it. I know,
[16:44] <Ondy> more quiestions etc but before i will do some damage, i would rather ask than actually do...
[16:49] <tomreyn> Ondy: there is probably a better channel to get help with installing chrome OS and windows on your specific computer (it may not be possible to isntall some of them on some computers, due to their hardware or firmware and the requirements these OSes have).
[16:49] <tomreyn> Ondy: kubuntu can run on many computers, but not all. what hardware do you have there?
 Can i use picom compositor with kde plasma ?
[16:50] <Ondy> basicly my laptop is Acer Aspire E15 (E5-572G-74LM)
[16:51] <Ondy> tomreyn: Acer Aspire E15 (E5-572G-74LM)... 4th gen Intel i7, some GPU, 1tb hdd, 8gb ddr3 ram.....
 Yea can installl no problem at all (re @IrcsomeBot: <Ondy> tomreyn: Acer Aspire E15 (E5-572G-74LM)... 4th gen Intel i7, some GPU, 1tb hdd, 8gb ddr3 ram.....)
 At starting u may hv to deal with some issue , due to less support of hardware with linux kernel
 , But good to go (re @IrcsomeBot: <Ondy> tomreyn: Acer Aspire E15 (E5-572G-74LM)... 4th gen Intel i7, some GPU, 1tb hdd, 8gb ddr3 ram.....)
[16:53] <tomreyn> yes, this should be fine. just a bit slow, due to the older hardware.
 How about this? (re @milesdredd: Can i use picom compositor with kde plasma ?)
[16:55] <Ondy> Its quicker than windows.... I just need to keep win10 there because when i was testing Kubuntu once, my wifi was dropping on and off like a yo-yo........
[16:56] <tomreyn> that's usually due to hardware with bad linux support.
[16:57] <tomreyn> yo may need to install and maintain a driver for it manually.
[16:59] <Ondy> so if i will go to the website of acer, i may install the drivers?
 Hi
 I've lost my panel :(, and I've  created default one
 but kicker doesn't start with alt+f1 nor with super key
 and when  adding widgets i can see that application launcher is seen twice
 how to remove invisible one completly
 or make it visible again
 plasma 5.18.8
 kubuntu 20.4
 "<milesdredd> How about this? (re..." <- Ping
[19:13] <arraybolt3[m]> @milesdredd: Technically you can, but you'd have to mess with the guts of your system quite a bit. KDE's window manager (KWin) comes with compositing built-in, so there's no need for an extra compositor, and unless you switch from KWin to another window manager, it will interfere with other compositors. And taking KWin out of KDE may make your system look... ugly.
[19:15] <arraybolt3[m]> @milesdredd: If you need a system with picom, I'd recommend trying Lubuntu rather than Kubuntu - it ships with compton and picom available on the system, but neither one is enabled by default - you can start them directly from the Application Menu.
[19:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (And since Openbox, the window manager used by Lubuntu, doesn't have compositing built in, you won't have to do an overhaul on your system to get picom in there.)


[00:37] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Could you axe kdesudo? bug 1757682
[00:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: grub-legacy-ec2 (bionic-proposed/primary) [1:1]
[01:25] <tsimonq2> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1592405/comments/1 Do you happen to remember what version clobbered it?
[01:35] <xnox> tsimonq2, it may have been the merge I have done
[01:36] <xnox> tsimonq2, to get the new upstream release in.
[01:36] <xnox> tsimonq2, should i poke and try to look into this too?
[01:36] <tsimonq2> xnox: You're more than welcome to; I'd certainly like to learn from this but if it's a quick solution, by all means, JFDI. :)
[01:41] <tsimonq2> xnox: Hum, might it be that debian/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth is missing?
[01:42] <xnox> tsimonq2, well, i'm trying to dig history, i'm pretty sure I was the one who _introduced_ using UbuntuMono font....
[01:43] <tsimonq2> xnox: Heh, OK.
[01:52] <xnox> tsimonq2, now I am confused. I think, this may only be using ubuntu font, post initramfs, and never in the initramfs.
[01:52] <xnox> tsimonq2, and I do not see any attempts to have UbuntuFont in the initramfs.
[01:53] <xnox> tsimonq2, but I do recall proposing to do that circa 2013/2014, but possibly there were concerns about "too large" file size.
[01:53] <tsimonq2> xnox: I think it could be readdressed.
[01:54] <tsimonq2> xnox: I wonder what the filesize difference might be.
[01:55] <xnox> Ubuntu regular is 357k, we may want the Ubuntu Mono regular which is 209k
[01:56] <tsimonq2> And right now, DejaVu is used?
[01:56] <tsimonq2> I mean, for a 209k difference, I personally think it's a good idea.
[01:56] <xnox> DeajuSerif + Sans are 381k + 758k
[01:56] <tsimonq2> Ok, so if we *just* use Ubuntu Mono, then that's less size?
[01:56] <tsimonq2> Or am I not seeing this right?
[01:57] <xnox> supports less languages, but i'm not sure we support translations in the initramfs
[01:57] <xnox> and we need to customize fonconfig conf file, in the initramfs
[01:57] <xnox> but easy enough to special case that.
[01:57] <xnox> cause, Ubuntu font is not "metric" compatible with Arial, unlike DejaVuSans
[01:57] <tsimonq2> OK
[01:57] <xnox> then again... this is plymouth and plymouth-text, not thesis typesetting
[01:58] <tsimonq2> Hehe, right.
[01:58] <tsimonq2> xnox: So is this something that you could JFDI pretty easily?
[01:58] <xnox> tsimonq2, do you know if derivates plymouth themes also specify and use 'Ubuntu 11'? or just the Ubuntu one?
[01:58] <xnox> aka lubuntu-logo, etc?
[01:58]  * tsimonq2 looks at what Lubuntu does
[01:59] <xnox> just need to write a "better" /etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf
[01:59] <xnox> to be all ubuntu font family
[02:01] <tsimonq2> xnox: Yeah no, this just specifies a module of "ubuntu-text"
[02:01] <tsimonq2> (in Lubuntu's)
[02:01] <xnox> lubuntu-logo should be the one splashy
[02:01] <xnox> ubuntu-text, is the "serial non-quiet non-splash" version
[02:02] <xnox> plymouth-theme-lubuntu-logo or like plymouth-theme-lubuntu-next-logo
[02:02] <tsimonq2> Right.
[02:02] <tsimonq2> But we also have just text packages.
[02:03] <xnox> yeah, for text-only we don't do anything - no fancy fonts, no pango, no truetype, because we asume the user wants just the kernel font rendering.
[02:03] <xnox> because the user wants it shmall
[02:04] <xnox> tsimonq2, so it looks like at least lubuntu-font got forked, before 'Ubuntu 11' was added in the "ubuntu-logo" theme.
[02:04] <xnox> so does not use that.
[02:04] <xnox> A quick fix, is to stop using 'Ubuntu 11' in the ubuntu-logo theme =)
[02:05] <xnox> or ship the ubuntu font, and force it to be used by default, and then there would be no need for it to be specified.
[02:05] <tsimonq2> If it doesn't use too much resources, I'd argue for the latter.
[02:06] <tsimonq2> I mean, if it introduces little to no size, even in cases where the user wants it small, if it's just 1/5 of a MB, it shouldn't be a big deal.
[02:06] <xnox> when kernel modules are huge.
[02:06] <tsimonq2> Right.
[02:06] <tsimonq2> The kernel is kinda huge. :P
[02:06] <tsimonq2> (In comparison.)
[02:07] <tsimonq2> xnox: Oh, jbicha made a good point on the bug report.
[02:07] <xnox> tsimonq2, this will need testing.
[02:07] <xnox> hm?
[02:07] <xnox> tsimonq2, yes, i did notice the transitional package dep already
[02:07] <tsimonq2> OK, cool.
[02:08] <tsimonq2> xnox: Would you like to take care of this (because I assume you know the codebase better) or should I?
[02:08] <tsimonq2> I'm fine either way.
[02:08] <tsimonq2> And indeed, testing will be needed.
[02:08] <jbicha> the transitional font dep has been annoying me for a while, but I was not annoyed enough to touch plymouth 🙈
[02:09] <tsimonq2> This might be a good occasion. :)
[02:10] <xnox> jbicha, hahahhahaha
[02:10] <xnox> tsimonq2, i'll do it all; but will need to do boot tests; so not right now, but soon.
[02:11] <tsimonq2> xnox: Alright; I'll assign the bug to you. Thanks, and please keep me updated. :)
[02:12] <tsimonq2> Er, you did already. Cool.
[04:38] <slangasek> xnox: ah; I guess I was wrong about the initramfs hook having used the Ubuntu font previously?  I just checked the last version before the Debian merge (0.9.0-0ubuntu9 in vivid) had a dep on both fonts-dejavu-core and ttf-ubuntu-font-family, and only copied fonts-dejavu-core into the initramfs
[04:39] <slangasek> xnox: so, it would be nice to get it using the Ubuntu font consistently (and dropping the need to pull dejavu in in this context), but re-adding the dejavu dep would apparently suffice to fix the regression
[04:58] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Would you happen to know what's going on with armhf autopkgtest builders?
[04:58] <tsimonq2> (I'm asking you because I hope you saw that the build you've triggered is also queued but not running. :P)
[04:59] <slangasek> tsimonq2: nope, haven't looked; looking now
[04:59] <tsimonq2> ack
[05:06] <tsimonq2> lol @ someone uploading zfs-linux to Debian that was likely meant for Ubuntu
[05:06]  * tsimonq2 shrugs, it happens I guess
[05:06] <slangasek> tsimonq2: armhf sorted; looks like the lxd runners aren't entirely happy with the daily maintenance job, they likely would've started right about now on their own if I had done nothing
[05:07] <slangasek> but that means they were down for 2 hours, unhelpfully
[05:07] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ah ok
[05:07] <tsimonq2> cool, thanks
[05:18] <tsimonq2> slangasek: It'd be good to get a second opinion on node-cross-spawn
[05:19] <tsimonq2> Its tests fail with the new nodejs, but the version we ship doesn't have upstream tests for nodejs 8.x.
[05:20] <tsimonq2> We also ship a release that's a major version behind.
[05:21] <tsimonq2> Ultimately the arm{hf,64} test failures are just timeouts.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> I've been trying to set the timeout integers to be larger values in my PPA testing but have ultimately been unsuccessful so far.
[05:24] <tsimonq2> I'll try some more, but if the situation doesn't improve, then I'm not sure what to do from there.
[05:27] <tsimonq2> In fact, that sort of thing seems almost commonplace; we're shipping node modules with out-of-date versions which have failing tests that have been completely revamped upstream.
[05:28] <tsimonq2> (I'm making a generalization, but still.)
[07:22] <slangasek> tsimonq2: there are enough nodejs-triggered autopkgtests that fail only on arm64 and armhf that it makes it suspicious that there may be arch-specific regressions in our nodejs
[07:23] <slangasek> tsimonq2: node-block-stream, node-commander, node-cross-spawn, node-liftoff - are these related?
[07:31] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I haven't taken a close look but it's possible.
[07:35] <tsimonq2> slangasek: node-liftoff seems to need timeout bumps like node-cross-spawn.
[07:36] <tsimonq2> Doing, although it's a bit of a PITA because turnaround time for testing is 20 minutes minimum, and these tests stop as soon as there's one error. Sigh.
[07:38] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I don't quite know what to make of node-block-stream.
[07:38] <tsimonq2> slangasek: node-cross-spawn *should* be fixed now.
[07:39] <tsimonq2> slangasek: And node-commander is kind of weird: AssertionError: expected '' to be 'SIGHUP\n'
[07:39] <tsimonq2> slangasek: So while these are unrelated, it's weird that these only happen on *some* arches.
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-defaults-ports [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.175ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-wallpapers [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [18.04.0-0ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted virtualbox-hwe [i386] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.8-dfsg-5ubuntu18.04.1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-defaults-ports [i386] (bionic-proposed) [1.175ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted virtualbox-hwe [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.8-dfsg-5ubuntu18.04.1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mir [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mir [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mir [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mir [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mir [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mir [i386] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[09:13] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Actually, note-liftoff can be badtested.
[12:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.31.2 => 2.32] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[12:14] <estan> ginggs: ping. bcolz 1.2.0+ds1-1 now ready to be synced from debian/incoming. should fix the autopkgtest failure of c-blosc 1.14.2+ds1-1.
[12:15] <estan> ahem s/of c-blosc/with c-blosc/
[12:15] <ginggs> estan: waiting for it to be picked up by launchpad https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/bcolz
[12:15] <estan> ginggs: aha.
[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: deepin-movie-reborn (bionic-proposed/primary) [3.2.3-2]
[16:43] <estan> ginggs: looks like the eagle landed ^ :)
[18:24] <LocutusOfBorg> hello jbicha, I'm uploading a gtk+2.0 merge, because the current one is FTBFS in release pocket, probably your glib2 upload broke it?
[18:25] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: sync meson
[18:25] <jbicha> I mean unless I need yet another FFe for that
[18:26] <jbicha> the Ubuntu diff can be dropped now
[18:27] <ginggs> estan: infinity beat me to it
[18:27] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I mean you could merge glib2.0 if you want too…
[18:29] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I'm all confused. Let's start over. Do you have a build log for the gtk2 build problem?
[18:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ok glib2.0 done
[18:29] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+packages
[18:30] <jbicha> you synced gtk2, why?
[18:30] <LocutusOfBorg> this is a no change rebuild of the version in release
[18:30] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I didn't :) or better, I did just to avoid uploading the source tarball for the diff
[18:30] <LocutusOfBorg> I have a connection that sucks a bit, I didn't make the sync build at all
[18:33] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, do you see the symbols that have been dropped in the merge? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/361892471/gtk+2.0_2.24.32-1_2.24.32-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[18:33] <LocutusOfBorg> should I readd them in your opinion? g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__BOXED
[18:33] <LocutusOfBorg> they are removed in the last patch that ubuntu applies
[18:33] <LocutusOfBorg> they are coming from glib, and they shouldn't be there...
[18:33] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure if this is a problem or not
[18:42] <LocutusOfBorg> somebody from desktop team today  told me to just remove them
[18:43] <LocutusOfBorg> because such symbols are inside glib2.0, and they shouldn't be in gtk2 (and gtk2 links glib2, so there is no runtime issue)
[18:45] <jbicha> yes, they can be removed as I think that was a glib bug
[18:46] <jbicha> y'all probably shouldn't have changed gtk_print_backend_set_password@Base 2.24.25-0ubuntu2 but since a newer version is in xenial maybe it doesn't matter so much
[18:46] <jbicha> please push your changes to bzr  lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntu
[18:47] <jbicha> I believe we'll be switching to git for Chaotic Camel ( web link for bzr is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntu )
[18:48] <jbicha> if y'all are really eager, you can merge gtk3 too :)
[18:51] <LocutusOfBorg> "y'all probably shouldn't have changed gtk_print_backend_set_password@Base 2.24.25-0ubuntu2 but since a newer version is in xenial maybe it doesn't matter so much"
[18:51] <LocutusOfBorg> this is *exactly* what I changed, but after I changed it back, because "better safe than sorry"
[18:51] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, I'll push them
[18:52] <jbicha> that symbol version was changed in the version pushed to bionic
[18:52] <LocutusOfBorg> I know, but maybe reverse-deps complains if we don't rebuild?
[18:52] <jbicha> hmm?
[18:53] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, ok  the lower bound is already satisfied
[18:55] <jbicha> I'll probably have to do a gtk2 upload in unstable to drop the extra glib symbols
[18:56] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks jbicha :)
[18:56] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, I sync'd meson, just bugfixes, new tests and a bug I was hitting with libinput
[18:57] <jbicha> thanks
[19:04] <estan> ginggs: you guys have been my dream team through this :)
[19:18] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: gtk2 builds fine in unstable. I guess I could mark those closure symbols as optional… not really sure why Debian & Ubuntu are different there now
[20:09] <slangasek> tsimonq2: what's the rationale for considering node-liftoff badtest?
[20:38] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: gtk2 is one of the last Debian GNOME packages to use cdbs, I wonder if that helps explain the g_cclosure symbols? none of our other libraries have those symbols
[20:43] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meson/0.45.1-1/+build/14489818 (it was a binary upload in Debian :| )
[22:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: javatools [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.63] (no packageset)
[22:50] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, gtk2, the latest patch (ubuntu specific) is changing the file "./gtk/gtkmarshalers.list"
[22:50] <LocutusOfBorg> so removing them manually I would say
[22:50] <LocutusOfBorg> Debian has not this patch, so they appears there?
[22:52] <jbicha> ok, the use-secrets-service patch?
[22:56] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, this: +-VOID:POINTER,POINTER,POINTER,POINTER,STRING
[22:56] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, doko any idea if you are building libphobos.a without fPIC?
[22:56] <LocutusOfBorg>  /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/8/libgphobos.a(stdio.o): relocation R_X86_64_TPOFF32 against symbol `_D3std5stdio10readlnImplFPOS4core4stdc5stdio8_IO_FILEKAawE3std5stdio4File11OrientationZ1nm' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[22:57] <LocutusOfBorg> this happens with meson
[23:04] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: we have a packaging branch for glib2.0 if you'd be so kind as to push there please
[23:05] <LocutusOfBorg> link please? I'll be happy to push
[23:06] <LocutusOfBorg> also, gtk3 uploaded
[23:06] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: it's in the VCS fields in debian/control :)
[23:08] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, lets do it tomorrow :)
[23:08] <LocutusOfBorg> too late here
[23:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I think I did also glib2.0, please don't shoot at me if I did import it wrong :)
[23:18]  * LocutusOfBorg goes to sleep


[14:14] <aquarius> yay, design clinic answering all my icon questions!
[14:16] <popey> ☻
[14:16] <aquarius> this presentation that jouni (?) is doing looks dead useful. Is it somewhere I can look at it?
[14:16] <popey> will ask
[14:17] <aquarius> having it published on design.ubuntu.com would be cool, but just having it available *somewhere* would be better than delaying until it's properly integrated into the design site
[14:17] <aquarius> (and we can always write an askubuntu question which points at it)
[14:17] <popey> ya
[14:18] <aquarius> guidance being given is that icons should provide their own background colour. But icons on the desktop Launcher pick a background colour for you by averaging the image?
[14:21] <aquarius> did I miss the bit where recommended sizes for each of the icons was given? The icon for the launcher, for the Dash, for the application store scope. (I heard the sizes question get mentioned, but not an answer to it.)
[14:22] <popey> yes
[14:22] <aquarius> cool. I'm watching a few minutes behind, so I may have missed it!
[14:23] <aquarius> wooo default set of common icons for messages and saving and so on! yay!
[14:23] <popey> nice one, that was interesting!
[14:23] <aquarius> popey, I'll have to go back through the whole video to find the instructions on sizing
[14:24] <aquarius> which I will do once it finishes :)
[14:24] <popey> its not that long
[14:24] <popey> we're done now ☻
[14:25] <aquarius> :)
[14:25] <aquarius> I'm catching up
[14:26] <aquarius> thank you, design peeps (I'm not sure if any of you are on irc :))
[14:28] <aquarius> aah, cool, the app submission process needs poking about icon sizes. Excellent.


[02:07] <JackFrost> paride: Yeah, specifically when it comes to who's in that team vs ubuntumembers.


[00:00] <dw5304> yea i tried it with and without
[00:00] <dw5304> just testing
[00:00] <dw5304> nothing more
[00:00] <GridCube> mmm what about alsamixer?
[00:00] <GridCube> maybe hdmi is mutted in alsamixer?
[00:02] <dw5304> http://i.snag.gy/1zl5u.jpg
[00:03] <GridCube> mmm yeah thats the same i have
[00:03] <GridCube> weird
[00:03] <dw5304> lol yep
[00:04] <GridCube> can you paste me the line from lspci | grep "Audio"
[00:05] <GridCube> the hdmi one
[00:06] <GridCube> well maybe you have to do the boot options thingy
[00:06] <GridCube> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ati-rs690-780-hdmi-not-available-on-debian-but-fully-fuctioning-on-ubuntu-873660/
[00:07] <GridCube> http://code-excerpts.blogspot.com.ar/2012/12/no-sound-on-linux-mint-14-nadia-through.html
[00:07] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/775007
[00:07] <dw5304> 00:41.2 audio device : advanced microdevices inc. [Amd/ati] SBx00 AZalia (Intel HDA)
[00:08] <GridCube> see this dw5304 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/775007/comments/4
[00:08] <dw5304> 01:05.2 audio device : advance micro devices inc [amd/ati] rs690 HDMI Audio[radeon xpress 1200 series]
[00:08] <dw5304> k
[00:11] <dw5304> hum no preferance options...
[00:11] <GridCube> the last tab you pasted earlier
[00:11] <dw5304> ah ok
[00:11] <GridCube> its the same menu, just another way to reach it in mainbuntu
[00:12] <dw5304> ah
[00:13] <dw5304> no listed option for internal audio
[00:15] <dw5304> http://i.snag.gy/4gWNt.jpg ,  http://i.snag.gy/o5fqC.jpg
[00:29] <dw5304> im currently installing the amd catalyst driver see if that will fix it
[00:35] <dw5304> welp that broke it
[00:35] <dw5304> lol
[00:35] <dw5304> boots a a pertty purple screen with black dashes on it
[00:35] <dw5304> was able to see the boot screen btw
[00:43] <jonzen> 12.10 have tried bash scripts  caffiene  uninstalled screensaver turned off power management 5 dif ways i read to shut dowm dpms but it alwats comes back and every 10 mins during movie on vlc the screen blanks  can any1 tell me how to shut all this off perm
[00:49] <GridCube> dw5304, can you log into a tty?
[00:51] <GridCube> jonzen, in power management set the monitor power saving to 0 and it will never pop up
[00:51] <dw5304> gridcube i can
[00:51] <GridCube> and by pop up i mean shut down
[00:51] <dw5304> no sorry i just reloaded thebox :)
[00:51] <dw5304> so its freshagain :)
[00:52] <GridCube> dw5304, then remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you should boot to default drivers again if you cant see the desktop anymore
[00:53] <jonzen> have it set to never  still blanks 10 min into a movie
[00:53] <jonzen> screensaver disabled
[00:54] <jonzen> installed cafienne  no go with it either
[00:54] <GridCube> no, no screensaver
[00:54] <GridCube> just powersettings
[00:54] <GridCube> the monitor goes to standby to save energy
[00:54] <GridCube> you have to disable that
[00:54] <jonzen> yes  i have that set to never
[00:55] <GridCube> mmmhm
[00:56] <jonzen> had powermanager shut down   unchecked from autostart  still did it
[00:56] <GridCube> and screensaver is disabled and un-installed
[00:56] <jonzen> yep yep
[00:57] <GridCube> weird
[00:57] <GridCube> i havent had that issue in a whole long time
[00:57] <GridCube> i had it back in 08-09
[00:58] <jonzen> been usin ubuntu and xubu since 2009  never had it
[00:58] <GridCube> thats when i learn that mplayer do send the signal to never shut down the monitor, thats why i use smplayer as my default player
[00:59] <jonzen> ima reboot  reset all in powerman   try again
[01:02] <daohaus1> Im a noob to xubuntu and having a puzzling experience with the sound setting
[01:02] <GridCube> !details | daohaus1
[01:03] <daohaus1> when the laptop boots up the output is set to headphones and i get no sound at all only after I reboot into XP and then restart into xubuntu
[01:03] <daohaus1> i go back into the sound control and it then shows that my sound output is SPEAKER
[01:03] <daohaus1> no clue why it's doing this
[01:04] <GridCube> in pavucontrol the last tab shows you sound presets, you can choose there if the preset its for headphones or speakers and what kind of speakers
[01:04] <GridCube> some laptops have a feature that indicates when a headphone has been plugged and send a signal to the system so it changes its preset
[01:05] <GridCube> your computer might be sending this signal wrong
[01:05] <GridCube> or xubuntu might be interpreting it wrong
[01:05] <daohaus1> that's the thing gridcube it doesn't give any options it's set to headphones or speakers
[01:05] <GridCube> daohaus1, can you screenshot the last tab of pavucontrol please?
[01:06] <daohaus1> sure
[01:09] <daohaus1> ok this is a 1st for me on irc how to i post up a pic on this
[01:10] <GridCube> press print screen, save the image, upload to a image hoster like imgur or any other you fancy
[01:10] <daohaus1> oh ok duh...sorry
[01:10] <daohaus1> one moment pls
[01:11] <daohaus1> http://public.fotki.com/foofighter/misc_photos/screenshot-08082013.html
[01:12] <GridCube> among those profiles there is no headphones?
[01:12] <daohaus1> how i know my speakers work is when xubuntu starts to load my speakers do this crackle
[01:12] <daohaus1> nope none
[01:13] <GridCube> mmhm
[01:13] <daohaus1> and when it's in headphones theres no selection for speakers
[01:13] <GridCube> interesting
[01:13] <daohaus1> that's what is really weird
[01:13] <dw5304> grindcube i figged it out on my end
[01:13] <dw5304> tv is stupid
[01:13] <dw5304> :)
[01:13] <GridCube> dw5304, what was it?
[01:13] <daohaus1> and it only works after i reboot and go into xp and reboot again it works
[01:14] <dw5304> tv dont support audio over rca
[01:14] <dw5304> with hdmi
[01:14] <dw5304> but hdmi dont work :)
[01:14] <dw5304> no issues
[01:14] <dw5304> but rca does to hook up to media
[01:14] <dw5304> sound sound
[01:14] <dw5304> and call it a day :)
[01:14] <daohaus1> brb
[01:15] <dw5304> lol not worth the time
[01:23] <larzconwell> For some reason I can't get a xubuntu liveusb to boot using a uefi system. I'm following along here, but no luck. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Installing_Ubuntu_in_EFI_mode
[01:37] <daohaus1> ok im back @gridcube
[01:53] <GridCube> daohaus1, what model is your audio?
[01:57] <daohaus1> @gridcube some analog sound card
[02:38] <nonuby> odd issue nearly every other reboot (seems more so after apt-get upgrade) the theme reset to a white panel bar in xfce, next reboot its back to a black panel bar (greybird)
[03:42] <xubuntu969> hola?
[03:44] <xubuntu969> hiii
[03:45] <wiak> jo
[04:27] <sirstonius> Hello all. Can anybody help me replicate how my touchpad works in windows? In windows I can double-tap the upper left corner to lock my touchpad but it does not work in xubuntu/xfce... Anybody know how to solve this?
[04:30] <holstein> sirstonius: could depend on hardware driver support.. i would try and get used to how the touchpad i working.. then i would try a few GUI config tools.. then, consider xset commands or an xorg.conf
[04:30] <sirstonius> holstein:  are there any GUI config tools you reccomend?
[04:31] <sirstonius> never had to mess with touchpad before.. always had linux installed on desktops :)
[04:32] <holstein> sirstonius: the "mouse" or "touchpad" tool in the GUI.. assuming the hardware is showing up as a touchpad
[04:32] <holstein> !touchpad
[04:32] <sirstonius> awesome.. ty mate
[04:32] <holstein> sirstonius: you may not have a synaptics touchpad...
[04:33] <sirstonius> holstein:  I believe i do.. but not 100% sure. When I goto the 'Mouse and Touchpad' screen in system settings my Device is listed as 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
[04:34] <holstein> sirstonius: then, *if* it is, that guide will be helpful
[04:39] <sirstonius> okay. thank yous
[04:57] <sirstonius> hmmm i either overlooked it or my problem is not listed under that link. more google time
[04:58] <holstein> sirstonius: to be fair, you dont have a problem. you want functionality that may or may not be able to be added with the driver available for the hardware you are running that is intended to run another operating system
[04:59] <sirstonius> holstein:  True. I guess I am just curious if anybody else has gotten this to work.
[05:00] <holstein> sirstonius: i, and most others just use the screen lock
[05:00] <sirstonius> Like lock the entire screen?
[05:01] <holstein> sirstonius: if you are talking about "lock", like "disable touchpad while typing".. i have had hit and miss luck with that
[05:01] <holstein> sirstonius: thats what "lock" means to me
[05:02] <sirstonius> holstein:  sorta.. I got the disable touchpad while typing option working already.. I was just talking about disabling my touchpad completely by double tapping the upper left corner. Then an orange LED came on to show me it was locked. I do this because sometimes when I'm playing a game my kitten will lay on my lap and end up moving my cursor via the touchpad.
[05:03] <holstein> sirstonius: that could be anything.. software.. a driver.. who knows.. hardware specific
[05:03] <holstein> sirstonius: im sure there are ways to disable the touchpad with the keyboard.. a keyboard shortcut or something similar
[05:05] <sirstonius> holstein:  for sure. I will probably still try to see if I may able to get it to work. But thank you for your help and time
[05:06] <holstein> sirstonius: sure.. you wont likely get that to work exactly like that ever.. but like i said you wil easily be able to script something that disables the touchpad with a keyboard combonation... good luck!
[05:50] <dave4925_> this is weird, I created a folder called pennies in my home directory in the terminal , but it is not showing up in file manager
[05:51] <baizon> dave4925_: what command have you entered?
[05:52] <baizon> were you in the home dir?
[05:53] <dave4925_> yes
[05:54] <baizon> dave4925_: use catfish and search for that directory
[05:55] <dave4925_> oh nm I was in ssh DUH!
[05:58] <baizon> dave4925_: so problem solved :)
[06:46] <dave4925_> how can I install libdb4.8++-dev ?
[06:51] <koegs> dave4925_: which ubuntu-version?
[06:51] <koegs> and do you need 4.8 exactly?
[06:51] <koegs> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libdb%2B%2B-dev&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[06:59] <dave4925_> xubuntu 13.10
[06:59] <dave4925_> its listed as a dependency on all of the qt digital coin clients
[07:00] <dave4925_> Build instructions
[07:00] <dave4925_> Debian
[07:00] <dave4925_> First, make sure that the required packages for Qt4 development of your distribution are installed, for Debian and Ubuntu these are:
[07:00] <dave4925_> apt-get install qt4-qmake libqt4-dev build-essential libboost-dev libboost-system-dev \
[07:00] <dave4925_>     libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-thread-dev \
[07:00] <dave4925_>     libssl-dev libdb4.8++-dev
[07:12] <bazhang> !info libdb4.8++-dev saucy
[07:12] <bazhang> dave4925_, ^
[07:14] <Sysi> !info libdb++-dev saucy
[07:14] <Sysi> !info libdb5.1++-dev saucy
[07:14] <Sysi> I guess newer one should have features of the older one
[07:17] <dave4925_> maybe - but that's not always the case
[07:17] <dave4925_> and I remember reading about some bug or incompatibility caused by version 5
[07:18] <dave4925_> I was taught that libs were backwards compatible.  But in reality that's not the case
[07:18] <Sysi> then you'll probably need to compile the libs first
[07:21] <dave4925_> why compile?
[07:22] <Sysi> because it's not in the repositories
[07:23] <Sysi> though I don't know if libs need to be compiled, I like to avoid suck things
[07:24] <dave4925_> oh I found them in packages.ubuntu.com
[07:25] <bazhang> for which version
[07:26] <bazhang> 13.10 support is in #ubuntu+1 , and you do not want to mix packages from different repo versions
[08:58] <bool> Why the fuck are you releasing a Xubuntu version that randomly logs out?!
[09:04] <xubuntu246> giorno c'è nessunp?
[09:08] <leoquant> bool "we" don't release
[09:08] <leoquant> "we" support
[09:09] <TheSheep> !language bool
[09:09] <TheSheep> !language | bool
[09:09] <bool> i am frustrated
[09:09] <bool> sorry
[09:09] <TheSheep> bool: :)
[09:09] <bool> think im going for another distro
[09:09] <TheSheep> bool: good luck
[09:10] <bool> having random trouble with xubuntu for a long time
[09:10] <TheSheep> bool: if that repeats with other distros, it may be a hardware problem
[09:10] <TheSheep> bool: like failing memory or disk
[09:10] <TheSheep> or overclocked cpu
[09:11] <Noskcaj> bool, what version are you running?
[09:12] <bool> some of the trouble i've been having is spdif output turning off randomly, logging out randomly, screen goes blank when watching movies even if i have told it not to
[09:12] <Sysi> what graphics card do you have?
[09:13] <bool> i always run latest version, it is not a hardware problem and i use nvidia
[09:13] <bool> it is entirely xubuntus fault
[09:13] <bool> sorry
[09:13] <Sysi> LTS might work better
[09:13] <bool> think i am going for mint kde edition
[09:13] <leoquant> Sysi, +1
[09:14] <TheSheep> I assume you have traced the problem to a particular part of xubuntu, if you are so confident, and have reported the bugs?
[09:14] <TheSheep> or is it just a gut feeling?
[09:14] <Sysi> hope you'll get it to work
[09:15] <bool> the locking thin is xubuntu, the spdif is probably some sort of combination of packages that xubuntu uses and the last think about blank screen is a xfce/xorg problem
[09:16] <TheSheep> bool: since practically all other distros also use xorg, you are in a pretty dire situation
[09:16] <bool> the screen locking thing is actually a reported bug, many weeks ago, but it has not been sorted
[09:16] <bool> TheSheep, it is a xfce problem
[09:17] <TheSheep> bool: can we help somehow?
[09:18] <bool> i wanted to create an xorg file to try to fix the locking problem, but each time i kill x it automatically restarts, so I am unable to create an xorg.conf file with Xorg -configure
[09:19] <Sysi> service lightdm stop
[09:19] <TheSheep> sudo
[09:19] <TheSheep> sudo service lightdm stop
[09:19] <TheSheep> and when you finish, sudo service lightdm start
[09:19] <bool> ok, thanks
[09:19] <Noskcaj> bool, once again, what version are you running. swapping to the LTS version should fix any bugs
[09:20] <bool> Noskcaj, i just run the regular xubuntu latast version
[09:20] <Noskcaj> bool, 13.10 or 13.04?
[09:20] <bool> 13.04
[09:20] <Noskcaj> ok.
[09:21] <bool> is that ok?
[09:21] <Noskcaj> try what the guys above said as you seem to know your stuff, if not, 12.04 is the most stable release
[09:21] <TheSheep> trying a different distro to see if the problems persist may also be a good idea, actually
[09:22] <TheSheep> it's not like xubuntu is the best for everyone and everything
[09:23] <bool> i have been running linux mint cinnamon on my other desktop, seemed really nice and stable. I also love the ability to search in the start menu. The KDE edition however has even more snap points for windows
[09:23] <Tm_T> Kubuntu ♥
[09:23]  * Tm_T crawls back to their cave
[09:24] <bool> Tm_T, mint kde edition actually is better and more polished than kubuntu
[09:24] <Tm_T> bool: I'd disagree, but that's all offtopic
[09:25] <bool> Tm_T, kubuntu is just a collection of packages... you can configure arch linux to be like kubuntu. mint kde has done work to get it more polished and includes more system tools
[09:26] <Tm_T> as said, this would be offtopic, should we continue on, let's say, #kubuntu-offtopic or some other offtopic channel instead?
[09:26] <bool> i have said what is needed
[09:29] <Tm_T> as you wish
[09:53] <Shadow}}> I need help with setting up OpenVPN...
[14:02] <xubuntu529> I have a fresh install of XUbuntu 12.04 on a Panasonic Toughbook CF-28 which I have run the same version on for months before the new install. I just did the 3.2.0-51-generic update and now I get a blank screen on boot everywhere except recovery.
[15:57] <Carlinhos> how does xubuntu embed nm-applet in indicator applet rather than notification area? i'd like to replicate that in other distros.
[19:29] <flips> hi, on xubuntu 12.04.2, where do I find the session files/setup files for the guest session?
[20:15] <Guest9975> so i have problem with installing chrominum on xubuntu, i downloaded it from google and then it opens it in software center but it wont install it just leaves this message : Software can't be installed or removed because the authentication service is not available. (org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.Failed: ('system-bus-name', {'name':  ':1.69'}): org.debian.apt.install-file
[20:16] <holstein> Guest9975: you dont "download chromium from google"
[20:16] <Guest9975> from website
[20:17] <well_laid_lawn> !info chromium
[20:17] <holstein> Guest9975: to install chromium... "sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[20:17] <holstein> Guest9975: that is "chrome".. not chromium..
[20:17] <holstein> !info chromium-browser
[20:17] <Guest9975> when i try to run it in terminal it display this E: Unable to locate package chrominum-browser
[20:18] <holstein> Guest9975: because, that is spelled incorrectly
[20:18] <DoverMo> Guest9975, what i just posted. chromium-browser is avaliabe in universe
[20:18] <holstein> Guest9975: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser .. you can use "tab" to auto-complete
[20:19] <holstein> sudo apt-get install chro "tab".. then at "sudo apt-get install chromium-" type "br" and hit "tab" to complete
[20:21] <justakill> What package do I need for the timit module in xubuntu
[20:21] <Guest9975> i think i got it
[20:21] <justakill> ?
[20:21] <justakill> i'm surprized it dosn't come standard
[20:21] <justakill> for python that is
[20:21] <Guest9975> what chrome?
[20:21] <holstein> Guest9975: chrome is not chromium. they are 2 different applications
[20:22] <Guest9975> in which way?
[20:22] <holstein> Guest9975: the general and only way, friend
[20:22] <holstein> Guest9975: they are not the sam
[20:22] <holstein> same*
[20:22] <Guest9975> i still dont get it
[20:22] <Guest9975> like for windows is chrome and linux is chromium right?
[20:22] <holstein> there is a chrome browser.. a commercial product from google.. there is chromium.. and open source product
[20:23] <holstein> Guest9975: no
[20:23] <bgardner> Guest9975: No
[20:23] <holstein> Guest9975: chrome and chromium are different.. and can each be run on windows or linux
[20:23] <Guest9975> didnt realise that
[20:23] <bgardner> justakill: Are you talking about the NTLK Python timit module?
[20:23] <bgardner> justakill: *NLTK
[20:23] <DoverMo> Guest9975, chromium is the open source, base browser. and google chrome is built on top of it with more features
[20:24] <Sysi> chrome has pdf reader and flash integrated
[20:25] <justakill> bgardner: No the standard timit modult
[20:25] <justakill> module*
[20:25] <GNUdru1> to simplify, Chromium is an indie production and is a more Free/Libre Open Source (FLOSS) form of Chrome (which controlled by "Let's do lots of evil and make boatloads of money" Google Incraperated)
[20:25] <justakill> bgardner: I feel like you're going to tell me it should be on my harddrive already.
[20:26] <holstein> not sure if "boatloads" of money come in from software offered for free. but the fact is, they are different.. and choose which ever you want to use
[20:26] <maitake> i like chromium better only because it's logo is blue
[20:26] <holstein> chromium is in the default repos
[20:26] <bgardner> justakill: If you mean the timit module inside of python-nltk, then no you probably need to sudo apt-get install python-nltk
[20:26] <bgardner> justakill: That's the only 'timit module' I can find a reference for.  Did you mean something else?
[20:27] <maitake> hey, google isn't so bad GNUdru1
[20:27] <GNUdru1> Google takes Free software and turns it into semi-proprietary software and makes boatloads of money off of advertising and such
[20:27] <maitake> so? i can't remember the last time i've felt like their ads were intrusive
[20:27] <maitake> and every service is free
[20:27] <GNUdru1> Google has gone evil.  let's face it folks
[20:27] <holstein> please discuss "preferences" in the off-topic channel. and use whichever browser you prefer
[20:28] <GNUdru1> no cost does not mean good.
[20:28] <justakill> bgardner: Oh wait you're right I though it was standard python library maybe I need another module. I want to test the speed of some functions? Maybe you know what I need?
[20:28] <GNUdru1> and no cost doesn't mean Free as in Freedom.  Freedom is good.
[20:29] <maitake> i just think your definition of "evil" might be a little far fetched
[20:29] <holstein> GNUdru1: i didnt mean to imply it was "good", or that that was my opinion.. please visit #xubuntu-offtopic for discussion
[20:29] <maitake> anyway i'll be in #xubuntu-offtopic if you want to discuss more
[20:29] <GNUdru1> Google is partnering with the NSA to eliminate freedom.  Google is evil, whatever they may have started it as.  Ah yes holstein, will do. :-)
[20:30] <maitake> lol
[20:30] <bgardner> !ot
[20:31] <justakill> bgardner: this is what I ment http://docs.python.org/3/library/debug.html
[20:31] <bgardner> justakill: Yes, or here: http://docs.python.org/2/library/profile.html
[20:32] <bgardner> justakill: You might want to go ask on #python for more.
[20:33] <justakill> bgardner: I will do that
[20:54] <Guest2024> Hello, I am having an issue with Xubuntu 12.04.  My audio is no longer working, it was working but now nothing.
[20:54] <Guest2024> Any ideas?
[20:55] <DoverMo> Guest2024, reinstall pulseaudio D: ?
[20:55] <DoverMo> Guest2024, then reboot
[20:55] <Guest2024> I shall try.  THanks
[20:58] <DoverMo> or service pulseaudio restart would have worked xD
[20:59] <DoverMo> woops
[20:59] <Unit193> !audio | cheap shot. ;P
[22:22] <xubuntu444> hi
[22:22] <David-A> hi
[22:23] <xubuntu444> am very impressed, the xubuntu install is very slick
[22:23] <xubuntu444> congratulations Xubuntu team!
[22:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[22:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> why a fresh Xubuntu 13.04 or 12.04 always tell  "crash report detected" ?
[22:54] <akovia> hi, i'm trying to install a brand new copy of 12.04.2-64 on a brand new alienware with win 7. for some reason i never see an option to install beside withdows unless i have another drive installed. windows boots fine and i've tried bootrec /fixmbr and /fixboot in win system recovery console, but it makes no difference
[23:36] <David-A> !uefi
[23:37] <David-A> akovia: I dont know if uefi is a problem with that particular hardware, but check the above link if there are any clues
[23:38] <akovia> David-A: thanks but I read that before even starting
[23:42] <David-A> akovia: some laptops use 4 primary partitions (windows, recovery, something, and bios), then it is not easy to just add another 1 or 2 partitions for linux, without messing with either the bios or windows partitions making one of them non-primary. I guess the install program is not bold enough to try it.
[23:45] <akovia> David-A: That's most likely the problem. Have you seen any information regarding installing around this cluster-f***?
[23:46] <David-A> akovia: you have to be bold enough and re-partition manually, possibly drop some bios functionality or move recovery info to an external device, or verify that the windows partition can be changed to a secondary partition without bad side-effects
[23:51] <akovia> David-A: hmmm, if I select "Something Else" i have the following 7 lines, 2 are free space at 1 & 0 MB, sda1=efi@524MB, sda2=fat32@41MB, sda3=unknown@134MB, sda4=ntfs@10949MB, and sda=ntfs@988553MB. Holy crap what a mess
[23:52] <akovia> David-A: btw, it an Aurora desktop and not a laptop. just got it today and I can't even load my OS =(
[23:52] <akovia> somehow I doubt Dell will help
[23:57] <David-A> akovia: maybe you can shrink the "sda5(?) 988GB" and add a couple of new partitions at the end. dont re-partition in the install program, but use gparted in a live session, or better use a repartition tool in windows
[23:58] <akovia> David-A: ok thanks for the tip. I'm a long time user of xubuntu so i will stick with ubuntu tools as I've never even owned windows 7 before. :P
[23:59] <David-A> akovia: (i've read, or i think i've read, that a repartition tool for windows is safer to use when resizing an ntfs partition)
[23:59] <akovia> hmm


[08:57] <persia> I'm planning an upload of linux-lpia and linux-meta-lpia.  If anyone with any experience with packaging kernels is about, and has time to discuss the implementation, I'd be very appreciative.
[15:12] <zul> BenC: the drbd modules and userland doesnt seem to be in sync we are shipping 8.x userland but the kernel is using modules for 8.2.x should I send a patch?
[16:35] <BenC> zul: is the kernel module newer?
[16:35] <zul> BenC: yeah im getting the user to test the newer userland if it works for him Ill probably ask for a FFE then
[16:38] <BenC> zul: sounds good
[16:39] <BenC> zul: we need the newer kernel module to work with 2.6.27, so backing it down isn't as easy
[16:39] <zul> BenC: yeah I realized that yesterday
[19:35] <kryptonite_> hi all
[19:36] <kryptonite_> why ubuntu fails in reading vcd
[21:10] <munckfish> BenC: have you had any time to look at the ports stuff?
[21:11] <munckfish> BenC: I don't want to become PITA - what's going to be the best way to move forward?
[22:08] <BenC> munckfish: can you do uploads?
[22:08] <munckfish> BenC: nope
[22:08] <munckfish> :(
[22:08] <munckfish> I'm a bit powerless
[22:10] <munckfish> BenC: I'd dearly like to have a decent chat with you about ports and it's future. Maybe could it be on the agenda for next weeks kernel meeting (if there is one)?
[22:18] <munckfish> I want to understand a) who the other interested parties are in the KT, b) what the general feeling about it is c) how can I get to stage where I don't need to bug you d) what the future of the ports kernel is e) how interested you are in it compared with time you have avail to work on it.
[22:18] <munckfish> those sorts of things
[22:19] <BenC> munckfish: That sounds like a great topic
[22:20] <munckfish> BenC: cool
[22:20] <munckfish> I'm glad you think so
[22:21] <munckfish> Do you actually have a PS3 or were you just helping out Colin when he got one?
[22:24] <BenC> I have two :)
[22:25] <munckfish> Oh nice :)
[22:26] <munckfish> And I take it you still have a stack of great kit out in your barn :D


[07:39] <PowerUser76> Hi all, first time asking a question in these channels for a while. I'm running Lubuntu 18.04 (the 20 series of Ubuntu I've experienced issues with WiFi and have yet to find a good way to make Tracker behave itself) and have recently acquired a new-to-me laptop that has Windows 10 installed. I was wondering if someone could help me work out a step-by-step to image the existing Windows 10 install to a SSD, shrink the Win10 partition
[07:39] <PowerUser76>  image my LUKS-encrypted Lubuntu to the free space on the aforementioned SSD then expand the LUKS partition to fill the remainder of the drive as the Lubuntu source is a 120GB SSD and then install/fix grub for a dual boot situation. I need Windows 10 for very very little. 'It's easier to install Windows 10 to the SSD then install Lubuntu and I'll just have to suck it up is an acceptable answer' Thank you in advance.
[23:10] <flosc> do files get lost when disk space is finished?
[23:11] <flosc> i am having this feeling, is it possible?
[23:11] <kc2bez> flosc: Do you mean when your drive is full?
[23:11] <flosc> i mean other files (that have nothing to do with the last operation)
[23:12] <flosc> yes, when no more free space
[23:12] <kc2bez> Sure, I guess all kinds of bad things can happen.
[23:13] <flosc> i don't understand if you are serious or joking
[23:13] <kc2bez> Anything that is in memory can't be written back to disk.
[23:13] <kc2bez> So if something is in use (even in the background) it could get corrupted.
[23:14] <flosc> suppose i have 400 mb free disk space, and i copy a 500mb file
[23:14] <flosc> then i get an error
[23:14] <flosc> operation cannot go forward
[23:15] <flosc> why should i worry about other files getting erased?
[23:15] <flosc> other files that have nothing to do with this operation
[23:15] <flosc> i dont understand
[23:15] <kc2bez> They may be in use by the system.
[23:16] <flosc> can you give me a probability?
[23:16] <flosc> i mean, am i probably ok or not?
[23:16] <kc2bez> Log files for example write all the time.
[23:17] <kc2bez> Well if your system is still running you might be ok
[23:17] <kc2bez> You should free some space while it is running
[23:17] <flosc> other files (not log files) should be ok?
[23:18] <kc2bez> I can't say that for sure.
[23:19] <flosc> so linux could delete a random file in this kind of situation?
[23:19] <kc2bez> If you free some space it might not be a bad idea to follow up with a fsck using a live disk.
[23:21] <flosc> but why would we want to have linuntu delete random files in this situation -  i mean wouldn't it be better to just stop (as it clearly is a mistake of the user)?
[23:21] <flosc> why would they do it like that?
[23:22] <kc2bez> It won't delete random files. It will only corrupt things that are in use.
[23:22] <kc2bez> Programs that are running have many files in use.
[23:23] <flosc> so reaching full capacity is always a big mistake?
[23:24] <kc2bez> It isn't good, no.
[23:24] <wxl> it can make some things just not work altogether
[23:26] <flosc> as of now, everything looks normal - i am just afraid i lost files or damaged the system
[23:28] <flosc> or "corrupted" - not sure what it means
[23:28] <kc2bez> corrupted = damaged
[23:29] <flosc> ok
[23:29] <kc2bez> Backups are a good thing to have if things look normal too.
[23:29] <flosc> yes but not my computer
[23:30] <flosc> that's why i am so worried
[23:31] <flosc> sorry , and thanks for your help
[23:31] <drea_mert> "as of now, everything looks normal" sounds like it is not too late for a backup ;-)
[23:31] <kc2bez> You are welcome, good luck flosc
[23:32] <flosc> thanks
[23:32] <flosc> ;-)


[08:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:37] <dholbach> dpm, did you see that the dev.u.c call is at the same time as our team call today?
[08:54] <dpm> dholbach, I don't have it in my calendar yet
[08:54] <dholbach> oh
[08:54] <dholbach> hang on
[08:54] <dholbach> invited
[08:54] <dpm> thanks
[08:55] <dpm> dholbach, so... I'll ping them. I'd rather not move our team meeting
[08:56] <dholbach> yes, I thought so
[12:18]  * popey goes for lunch
[14:40] <czajkowski> ndonegan: I've never been
[14:40] <czajkowski> bah
[16:58] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow again!


[03:33] <arraybolt3> I've noticed there's a user in Kubuntu with an offensive nick (it's the only one at the moment that starts with the letters "jhm", I don't want to paste the whole thing here in order to avoid having the offensive content ending up in Ubuntu's IRC logs). Could you ask them to change their nick or something?
[03:34] <arraybolt3> *Jhm (the first letter is capitalized)
[04:00] <valorie> I went to do that but the account has left
[04:02] <arraybolt3> Thanks, I see it. Glad he's gone.


[15:31] <buddha0> hey
[15:31] <buddha0> i need help
[15:31] <buddha0> call 911 pls
[15:38] <mhall119> won't help if we don't know your location
[16:05] <nigelb> srsly? :|
[16:10] <mhall119> srsly
[16:34] <paultag> lolwut
[16:34] <nigelb> paultag!
[16:34] <nigelb> how are ya?
[16:34] <paultag> nigelb: howareya
[16:34] <paultag> nigelb: well, thanks for asking, and yourself?
[16:35] <nigelb> pretty good
[16:35] <paultag> rocken
[16:36] <paultag> OK, time for a question: Who has a cool idea for a hardhack. I have some time and a little bit of cash to play with
[16:37] <nigelb> upto what height can you drop iPad, XOOM, and Playbook, and it not get damaged seems to be hard enough :P
[16:37] <nigelb> Apparently, you have money too :P
[16:37] <paultag> nigelb: as fun as that sounds, I'm thinking hardhacks
[16:38] <paultag> so I'm considering taking a concerarge bell and making it interface to USB
[16:38] <paultag> and ding the bell when builds finish or something, or email
[16:38] <nigelb> paultag: dude, do something with arduino
[16:38] <paultag> but I get too much email for that to work well
[16:38] <paultag> nigelb: I have 3 already :)
[16:39] <nigelb> bah
[16:39] <nigelb> I want to buy an arduino and I have been too lazy to
[16:39] <nigelb> 24
[16:39] <nigelb> grr
[16:39] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, they're fun. I have an assload of stuff I've written for the Arduino over the last few years
[16:40] <paultag> from RFID readers to a RGB lamp that does the mac-style throb
[16:41] <nigelb> damn
[16:41] <paultag> so; ideas
[16:41] <paultag> I want to do a hardhack :)
[16:42] <nigelb> paultag: ok, so make a generic framework where you can send a trigger from an arduino to indicator
[16:42] <nigelb> (libnotify that is)
[16:43] <paultag> nigelb: that's not a half bad idea
[16:43] <paultag> you'd have to avoid the RX / TX bins on the 'duno, but it'd be doable
[16:43] <paultag> pins *
[16:43] <nigelb> it should be gneric enough that it can be yes/no or messages (like temperature)
[16:44] <paultag> a little udev hackery and a sly little daemon and it'll work great
[16:45] <nigelb> yup, so get started! :P
[16:46] <paultag> nigelb: well, I will, but it's not a hardhack :)
[16:46] <paultag> nigelb: I'll moosh it into my next spare moments at work :)
[16:46] <nigelb> paultag: hah.
[16:47] <nigelb> paultag: write a phone OS in python :P
[16:48] <paultag> again; software!! :)
[16:48] <paultag> hardhack, something physical and badass
[16:48] <nigelb> build a computer, and write its os!
[16:48] <nigelb> paultag: make a mifi!
[16:48] <nigelb> pluin any usb internets and it should broadcast wifi
[16:49] <nigelb> and the product should be cheap
[17:09] <pleia2> good day paultag and nigelb! <3
[17:09] <nigelb> Morning pleia2
[17:10] <paultag> morning pleia2! :)
[17:10] <paultag> pleia2: How's things, my friend?
[17:11] <pleia2> paultag: good good! you? :)
[17:12] <paultag> pleia2: really well, thanks! :) -- Just sitting around my house down the cape, have my big-boy computer online again, and just found an awesome website -- http://manpacks.com/
[17:12] <paultag> All I need is to find a nerd girl who can beat me at something cool and I'll be living the perfect life
[17:15] <nigelb> paultag: You should look at http://hackaday.com
[17:16] <nigelb> for the hard hack, not the nerd girl :P
[17:16] <pleia2> paultag: haha, I've seen that site before, good stuff
[17:17] <pleia2> perfect_life++
[17:17] <nigelb> pleia2: I've taken a note not to look at your twitter stream on weekends.  :D
[17:18] <pleia2> nigelb: this is the perfect adventure city :) just driving home from the grocery store has potential for fun detours
[17:18] <pleia2> ended up in japantown yesterday for lunch (fun!) while on the way to best buy to do a price match (boring!)
[17:19] <nigelb> pleia2: hehe :)
[17:23] <paultag> nigelb: yeah I know hackaday, I've been a big fan for a while
[17:23] <paultag> pleia2: totally :)
[17:23] <nigelb> paultag: hah.
[17:38] <paultag> pleia2: how are you?
[17:38] <paultag> Oh shucks, I already asked
[17:39] <paultag> $RANDOM_SMALLTALK_TOPIC
[17:42] <pleia2> why yes, the weather here is beautiful
[17:43] <nigelb> heh
[17:44] <nigelb> zomgawesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrEk06XXaAw
[17:49] <paultag> pleia2: :)
[18:19] <paultag> I know I'm such a raging badass, but "Lucky" off OK Computer (Radiohead) almost brings me to tears every time. It's just so goddamn spot on it hurts
[18:25] <paultag> Ugh, same with "The Tourist"
[18:25] <paultag> this album is just gold
[19:30] <pleia2> paultag: you still about?
[19:30] <pleia2> "The LoCo Council meets on the 3rd Tuesday of every month at 21:00 UTC. The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday 16th August 2011, 20:00 UTC" which is it? 21:00 or 20:00?
[19:31] <paultag> pleia2: sure is. Hold on, let me look at the metting time on my gcal, that seems to be right
[19:31] <pleia2> fridge thinks 20:00
[19:31] <paultag> pleia2: that screwed up some other team as well
[19:31] <paultag> pleia2: yeah, I think it's 20:00, let me double check
[19:31] <pleia2> it's the middle of our work day here in california, so I'd really rather not tell people the wrong time :)
[19:32] <pleia2> (not sure who all will be able to make it anyway, but if people re-arrange their work day for it...)
[19:32] <paultag> 4-5 EST, by my watch
[19:32] <paultag> wait, that can't be right
[19:32] <paultag> I'm -0400, that would make it 00:00 UTC
[19:32] <paultag> Oh but it's 16:00
[19:32] <paultag> so +4 is 20:00
[19:33] <paultag> right, awesome
[19:33] <paultag> pleia2: 20:00 is correct
[19:33] <pleia2> ok, can you update "The LoCo Council meets on the 3rd Tuesday of every month at 21:00 UTC." on the agenda page? :)
[19:33] <paultag> pleia2: yes ma'am
[19:33] <pleia2> thank you sir!
[19:33] <paultag> no problem :)
[19:34] <paultag> all set
[19:34] <paultag> uh wait
[19:34] <paultag> fixed the commented out version :)
[19:35] <paultag> lookin' good