[01:51] <mneptok> anyone here have an Intel Atom platform running Jaunty with all updates applied?
[01:52] <mneptok> (netbook owners? anyone? Bueller?)
[01:54] <krisives> Nope :(
[02:00] <directhex> mneptok, wifey, it might not be 100% updated tho. why?
[02:00] <mneptok> directhex: Totem and VLC are failing miserably on 2 Atom platforms here. with multiple codec types, including Theora.
[02:01] <directhex> hm
[02:01] <directhex> remind me tomorrow
[04:46] <nenolod> hmm.  when trying to generate a jaunty or karmic chroot with debootstrap, i get a hang at "I: Configuring console-setup..."
[04:46] <nenolod> did something change today?
[05:31] <vimpulse> Sarvatt:  hey.  Could you please forward me your mail to the Xorg nv maintainer about nv-2.1.12-gf7025-gf7050.patch?
[08:36] <pitti> Good morning
[08:40] <RampagePS> good morning
[08:57] <TheMuso> dtchen: There have actually been discussions here at the sprint this week about making bi-arch pulse libs available. It requires touching a lot of  dependencies, but I think cjwatson's aim was to clean up ia32-libs somewhat. He may be able to fill you in more about what the foundations team plan is.
[09:03] <davmor2> bryce_away: bug 403175 the issue I have is that with the fglrx driver enabled I get no terminals etc at all, so I can't run any commands to help track down the issue.  If there is a way around that then I might be able to help you out more.  With the fglrx driver disabled in any manner the system works fine.  I'll hopefully be running some tests latter today so I'll see a) if it's still and issue and b)If I can acce
[09:03] <cjwatson> nenolod: maybe in karmic, but certainly not in jaunty ...
[09:06] <nenolod> cjwatson: i'm seeing it on jaunty since this evening
[09:06] <nenolod> cjwatson: i think it may be a bug in debootstrap failing to suppress debconf prompts correctly though
[09:13] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951 <- somebody want to check this ?
[09:18] <cjwatson> nenolod: sure, but nothing relevant has changed in jaunty that recently, so I wonder if it's some other environmental difference triggering it
[09:19] <nenolod> not sure.  i'll investigate more and open a bug where appropriate.
[09:20] <AnAnt> Hello, is it possible for an app using notify-OSD to disable "truncation" capability from notification daemon ?
[09:26]  * dupondje hopes somebody can sync dutch package from unstable, cause it fixes a quite annoying bug !
[09:43] <tseliot> pitti: can you remove the dontzap package from Karmic, please?
[09:43] <StevenK> tseliot: It's broken?
[09:44] <tseliot> StevenK: no, it's just that zapping can be enabled/disabled with setxkbmap and there are UIs (in Gnome and KDE) to do that in Karmic
[09:45] <tseliot> StevenK: actually, yes, it's broken ;)
[09:46] <StevenK> tseliot: Oh, where's the UI in Gnome?
[09:47] <StevenK> tseliot: This was being complained about in the -devel ML
[09:48] <tseliot> StevenK: System/Preferences/Keyboard then select the layouts tab and click the layout options button
[09:48]  * tseliot should write a tutorial about this in GNOME and KDE...
[09:48] <Riddell> I was about to ask, where's the GUI in KDE
[09:50] <tseliot> Riddell: System Settings -> Region & Language. Then select Keyboard layout in the treeview, select the Advanced tab and you will find the "Key sequence to kill the X server"
[09:53] <tseliot> Riddell: this means that you can drop my patch for zapping from kdebase
[09:54] <Riddell> tseliot: so it is, not very discoverable but it's in there
[09:54] <Riddell> tseliot: yes the patch has gone
[09:55] <tseliot> Riddell: something worth mentioning in the release notes, no?
[09:56] <pitti> tseliot: hey; sure, done
[09:57] <tseliot> pitti: thanks a lot :-)
[10:21] <mathiaz> kees: bug 408333
[10:21] <mathiaz> kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MIRmysql-5.1
[10:21] <jml> hey
[10:22] <jml> the design for the new soyuz build page is online at the launchpad wiki, might be worth looking at & commenting on: https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzBuildIndexPage
[11:18] <iulian> Tap-to-click doesn't work anymore in Karmic.  Who took it away? :-(
[11:18] <iulian> Is there any bug reported regarding this regression?
[11:21] <ogra> iulian, just check the checkbox
[11:22] <iulian> ogra: Ah, cool!
[11:22] <iulian> Thanks.
[11:23] <ogra> ;)
[12:02] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951 <- somebody want to check this ?
[12:03] <seb128> dupondje, subscribe the ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug
[12:05] <dupondje> they are subscribed :)
[12:06] <seb128> dupondje, so what are you asking for exactly?
[12:07] <dupondje> if it could be synced, cause it removes a crappy bug in the 'dutch' package :)
[12:07] <seb128> it probably could and it will when somebody will have looked at it
[12:07] <seb128> if nobody did is that because people are either on holiday or busy usually
[12:10] <seb128> the IRC pings are not really useful usually, see http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/index.html for all the bugs waiting
[12:15] <bryce> seb128, bug 397839 and bug 387529
[12:15] <bryce> seb128, refiled 397839 to gnome-power-manager
[12:15] <StevenK> I've seen that on Karmic UNR too
[12:15] <bryce> the other bug could be duped to that one I guess
[12:16] <seb128> bryce: thanks
[12:32] <asac> tkamppeter: 282235
[12:56] <plars> bryce: did bug #378391 regress again, or is it broken again now for different reasons?
[12:56] <plars> bryce: iirc, it worked ok in alpha3, but is now broken again in the dailies
[13:00] <bryce> plars, well it wouldn't be for the same reason since the source package hasn't been re-renamed ;-)
[13:00] <bryce> plars, file a new bug
[13:00] <plars> bryce: will do, thanks
[13:02] <bryce> plars, 105_correct_multifinger_click.patch was dropped due to a different issue it caused; you could try building the driver with it enabled and see if it helps
[13:02] <bryce> reboot time again
[14:44] <Sarvatt> plars: whats your problem? tapping not working?
[14:44] <Sarvatt> or multi finger tapping not working?
[14:44] <plars> Sarvatt: tap not working at all, seems to be disabled by default
[14:45] <Sarvatt> can you pastebin the output of synclient -l?
[14:47] <Sarvatt> i'm getting a problem where the ubuntu kernel detects my touchpad as a generic mouse about 1/10 boots
[14:48] <Sarvatt> (so tapping isnt working in that case)
[14:48] <Sarvatt> but a sudo rmmod psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse fixes that
[14:48] <plars> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/248009
[14:49] <Sarvatt> ah yep your tapping is disabled
[14:49] <plars> Sarvatt: I know, I can manually enable it and it all starts working
[14:49] <Sarvatt> do you have it enabled in system - preferences - mouse - touchpad?
[14:50] <plars> Sarvatt: no, but enabling it there causes it to work
[14:50] <Sarvatt> if it was the generic mouse instead of touchpad problem i have synclient wouldnt show anything so it isnt that at least
[14:50] <Sarvatt> ah yeah if you have it disabled there it turns all the TapButton options off when the session loads
[14:51] <Sarvatt> it should remember it on reboot and work fine now that you set it
[14:52] <Sarvatt> it loads with tapbuttons enabled when x starts, then when your gnome session starts gnome-settings-daemon disables the tap buttons if you have it turned off in there
[14:53] <plars> Sarvatt: but apparently the default is for it to be turned off
[14:56] <Sarvatt> yep thats intended. /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/tap_to_click <default>FALSE</default>
[14:57] <plars> Sarvatt: why is it intentional for tap to click to be turned off?
[14:59] <Sarvatt> its only turned on by default for people that have touchpads without physical buttons, i'm not the one who decides that just saying what I see :D
[15:02] <plars> Sarvatt: ok... confusing, but ok :)
[15:03]  * ogra hugs kirkland
[15:03] <kirkland> ogra: ;-)
[15:03] <kirkland> ogra: it's a moderately long build
[15:03] <kirkland> ogra: ping me if you see the build complete, as i need it too ;-)
[15:04] <ogra> will do
[15:08] <bryce> Sarvatt, btw asac ran into a problem with ppa-purge; it resulted in wanting to remove a bunch of extra packages
[15:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: so perhaps cups init script should do something like
[15:14] <pitti> udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=usb --attr-match=bInterfaceClass=07 --verbose
[15:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: oops, without the --verbose
[15:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: if you run it on a machine with a printer (with --verbose), it should show the device(s)
[15:21] <Sarvatt> asac: ping :) curious what problem you had, i could see it trying to remove multiple PPAs with certain combinations on the 0.2.1 version that should be fixed in 0.2.2
[15:22] <bryce> Sarvatt, asac was thinking he may have built the packages against xorg-edgers
[15:28] <Sarvatt> got me curious what it tried to remove, guessing it was an aptitude proposed solution for something
[15:31] <Sarvatt> bryce: btw intel could use a no change rebuild now so it builds with all the new dri2proto 2.1 features since xserver was upgraded
[15:32] <c_korn> geser: hello. the bug about schroedinger has been fixed in debian. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539843 where can I get the diff.gz and try on ubuntu?
[15:32] <bryce> Sarvatt, on it
[15:53] <geser> c_korn: wait a few hours, as it's now between incoming.d.o and ftp.d.o
[15:53] <c_korn> ok
[16:11] <ogra> kirkland, whoops, sorry, didnt monitor the build to closely, seems it finished about 40min ago
[16:23] <hdon> can anyone tell me if they have blksize_t on jaunty?
[16:23] <hdon> i have been trying for about *twenty* minutes to no avail to get blksize_t
[16:23] <hdon> donny@pacemates:~/gpsee/src3$ gcc -c -Wall -Werror test.c || cat test.c
[16:23] <hdon> test.c:3: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘test’
[16:23] <hdon> #include <sys/types.h>
[16:23] <hdon> #include <sys/stat.h>
[16:23] <hdon> blksize_t test() {return 0;}
[16:23] <jml> james_w, the fix for the setBranch bug is on edge.
[16:24] <james_w> jml: thanks, I'll work on the script now
[16:24] <jml> james_w, np.
[16:25] <hdon> oh i needed -D_GNU_SOURCE
[16:25] <cjwatson> hdon: you need to put '#define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500' at the very top. See the "Feature Test Macros" node in 'info libc'
[16:25] <cjwatson> (or yes, _GNU_SOURCE will do as well)
[16:25] <cjwatson> defining _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 is the surgical thing that gets you just what you want; _GNU_SOURCE is the great big sledgehammer.
[16:26] <hdon> cjwatson: i don't suppose you know the feature test macro that will give me struct passwd::pw_age et al
[16:28] <hdon> oh i see. pw_age doesn't seem to exist on linux
[16:29] <hdon> or maybe this is a glibc thing
[16:30] <slangasek> "age" is not POSIX
[16:31] <hdon> slangasek: yeah i just figured that out
[16:31] <hdon> thanks :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> hdon: I don't see pw_age in the header files at all
[16:34] <hdon> cjwatson: it's not POSIX. sorry
[16:34] <hdon> cjwatson: it's not GNU either
[16:34] <hdon> cjwatson: it's an AT&T thing, apparently also supported on Solaris, which is where the code i'm working with comes from
[16:34] <hdon> also pw_comment is an AT&T thing on Solaris as well
[16:35] <hdon> according to google codesearch (because i can't find real documentation on it) i can rely on the ATT_COMMENT and ATT_AGE macros
[16:35] <cjwatson> tried just looking at the header files on Solaris to see if they check any definitions before including pw_age?
[16:48] <james_w> jml: script is running. slowly.
[16:49] <jml> james_w, I wonder how long it'll take
[16:49] <james_w> hmm, perhaps a DB query is better
[16:50] <james_w> jml: 10s a branch would make it take 100 days
[16:53] <superm1> cjwatson, ping. i was talking to mvo about a problem with mythbuntu tasks last week and he identified it to be that the machine generating the task headers is running germinate on universe, restricted, and main, but not multiverse.  he had wanted to discuss it with you though due to any unexpected repercussions of enabling tasks for multiverse
[17:02] <asac> Sarvatt: does the ppa-purge run autoremove or something?
[17:03] <asac> Sarvatt: it kind of removed a similar package list that autoremove would have removed. installing ubuntu-desktop explicitly helped to keep the packages on my system ... so now i think i am on pure karmic again :/
[17:03] <asac> at least i hope
[17:03] <Sarvatt> nope it only does an apt-get install package/distro
[17:04] <Sarvatt> then an aptitude install package/distro if that fails because the package doesnt exist in the distro
[17:04] <kukukk> hello
[17:04] <kukukk> Can somebody help me, how to find that a package with which configure options was created?
[17:06] <kukukk> I need the ./configure options for pyclutter to install a newer version...
[17:18] <cjwatson> superm1: I think I said when asked that it was fine to enable multiverse too; that may or may not have been in your hearing
[17:21] <superm1> cjwatson, ah, mvo had just said to ask you when you returned.  who can make the appropriate changes then on this machine generating the headers?
[17:35] <cjwatson> superm1: needs a bug filed on Soyuz, although I already told the LP people it was OK to make that change so it may already be in progress ...
[17:35] <Riddell> ccheney: can you remind me again the status of KDE 4 patches for openoffice?  Are they in upstrem (which one)? and when is that likely to come back to us?
[17:36] <cjwatson> superm1: (that code's in Launchpad, lp:launchpad cronscripts/publishing/cron.germinate)
[17:36] <cjwatson> man, I love being able to just point people to that code
[17:44] <Sarvatt> thank you thank you _thank you_ for all of the ubuntu-meta changes in the past few months, was pleasantly surprised that I could remove alot of stuff I dont want that resulted in removing ubuntu-desktop before like brltty apparmor and xsane :D
[17:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi.  we run a mixed environment pc lab with *untu on the machines, however users are having problems adjusting because the menu's are not the same across the *untu distros
[17:47] <ccheney> Riddell: they are in ooo-build for 3.1.1 which should be in karmic in late august (3.1.1 is not released yet)
[17:49] <Riddell> ccheney: do you know if the oxygen icon theme is also there?
[17:49] <ccheney> Riddell: i believe so
[18:39] <timboy> if you right click and create a share from the gnome gui where does the config go?
[18:40] <hyperair> timboy: you mean from the file manager?
[18:40] <hyperair> timboy: it's in /var/lib/samba/usershares/
[18:41] <timboy> hyperair, excellent thx!
[18:42] <hyperair> timboy: the command line interface to mess around with it is "net"
[18:42] <hyperair> "net usershare" specifically
[18:42] <timboy> cool
[18:42] <hyperair> nautilus-share is just a plugin for the file manager which provides a front end for that
[18:49] <timboy> thx for the help hyperair !
[21:23] <dtchen> TheMuso: ok, thanks
[21:24] <dtchen> cjwatson: what are the plans for biarch (specifically, alsa-plugins and pulseaudio) and ia32-libs?
[21:49] <directhex> woo, mono <IP_ADDRESS> in sid. well in time for FF
[22:19] <Varox> hey all
[22:19] <Varox> after asking in 3 ubuntu-channels before, i show up here :)
[22:20] <Varox> i just posted this thread, does anyone know how to fix this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1232503
[22:21] <dtchen> Varox: #kubuntu-devel, please
[22:21] <Varox> dtchen, thanks
[22:51] <TheMuso> c
[23:22] <ebroder> Can I use /dev/disk/by-uuid/foo in /etc/fstab on Dapper?
[23:47] <dtchen> TheMuso: WRT rtkit: it's still useful for SCHED_RR, no?
[23:52] <dtchen> TheMuso: ah, n/m, i see the SCHED_RESET_ON_FORK mask
[23:54] <superm1> cjwatson, thanks


[10:18] <BluesKaj> shocktrooper1, did you upgrade your python vers ?
[10:19] <shocktrooper1> they were 2.4 previously and working fine.
[10:19] <shocktrooper1> I think they were the latest.
[10:19] <shadeofgrey> nope that didnt work
[10:20] <BluesKaj> ok, not real familiar with game stuff
[10:22] <shocktrooper1> python is installed, do I need a symlink somewhere?
[10:23] <shadeofgrey> guys i really need help here
[10:23] <trappist> shocktrooper1: ls -l `which python`
[10:23] <shocktrooper1> python 2.4
[10:23] <trappist> shocktrooper1: try logging out and back in then
[10:23] <shocktrooper1> ok, thanks.
[10:25] <|lostbyte|> Hey ! Guys
[10:27] <shocktrooper1> no, that didn't work.  I am using blender which usually detects python but it says, "No installed python found"  which is wrong.
[10:27] <shocktrooper1> because python is installed.
[10:28] <BluesKaj> do a, whereis python, just to make sure
[10:29] <shocktrooper1> its in /usr/bin/python, 2.4, etc.
[10:29] <mmikowski> echo $PATH
[10:29] <mmikowski> ?
[10:29] <shocktrooper1> could you be more specific?
[10:30] <mmikowski> Just thought of checking your path, but you probably find /usr/bin/python2.4
[10:31] <mmikowski> so its not a path problem
[10:31] <mmikowski> did you try a "which python"
[10:31] <shocktrooper1> from the konsole it says /usr/bin/python
[10:31] <mmikowski> or, better yet, "which -a python"
[10:32] <mmikowski> ok, then you should be set path-wise :)
[10:32] <shocktrooper1> its not detecting 2.4 in my blender folders
[10:32] <shocktrooper1> I'll try to echo the path
[10:33] <mmikowski> your path should include /usr/bin where python lives, but it is highly unlikely that is the problem.
[10:33] <shocktrooper1> yeah, that didn't seem to work.
[10:34] <mmikowski> what did you get when you typed in 'echo $PATH'
[10:34] <korgans> hi
[10:34] <korgans> someone ever installed cedega cvs ?
[10:34] <mmikowski> something like '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:...'?
[10:34] <shocktrooper1> I got /usr/local/sbin:/usr/binX11/ etc.
[10:35] <mmikowski> is /usr/bin in there?
[10:35] <shocktrooper1> yes
[10:35] <mmikowski> e.g. '...:/usr/bin:...'
[10:35] <mmikowski> ok, then not a path problem.
[10:35] <mmikowski> hmmm.  When exactly do you see the message, and what does it say?
[10:36] <shocktrooper1> ok, I just loaded blender 2.41 and it did detect it so it is definately blender 2.42a.
[10:36] <korgans> !info cedega cvs
[10:36] <ubotu> Package cedega does not exist in dapper
[10:36] <shocktrooper1> thanks for your help everyone.
[10:37] <korgans> hey soemone can help me throuight de cedega cvs installation
[10:37] <korgans> ?
[10:37] <mindbob> y/join ##c
[10:37] <mindbob> shit
[10:39] <paolo> hi boysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[10:40] <jott> korgans: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/
[10:41] <korgans> illt ry tghat thx
[10:43] <yo> hello , what making for connecting to kubuntu.fr please?! I 'am new! !
[10:44] <BluesKaj> !fr
[10:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:44] <trappist> yo: /join #kubuntu-fr
[10:45] <yo> thanks trappist !!
[10:46] <yo> i 'm sorry but my english is not suffisant for make a conversation ;-)
[10:46] <trappist> :)
[10:46] <yo> tchao !
[10:47] <BluesKaj> bon chance yo :)
[10:48] <yo> blueskay > merci mais il n'y a personne ;-)
[10:48] <BluesKaj> dommage
[10:49] <BluesKaj> q'est ce problem? mon francais n'est pas tres bien . mais
[10:50] <mmikowski> Anyone have luck getting Dual Screen VIA S3 Unichrome Pro?
[10:51] <yo> mais tu sais tenir une conversation ..!
[10:51] <BluesKaj> j'essai
[10:52] <ohan> hi world
[10:52] <BluesKaj> le problem , yo ?
[10:53] <ohan> hi is anyone here who knows the linux system very good?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> some more than other yeah :)
[10:53] <BluesKaj> others
[10:54] <ohan> lol
[10:54] <ohan> who   can tell me how can i use wine or something like that to call windows programs?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> !wine
[10:54] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:54] <fernando_> hi i need help i have problems with my video S3 ProSavage
[10:55] <fernando_> help
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> ohan: #winehq
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> ohan: But read the stuff in the topic there first
[10:56] <fernando_> masters! help xD
[10:56] <ohan> h3:  what is winehq?
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> ohan: the wine channel
[10:56] <ohan> oh
[10:56] <ohan> i see
[10:56] <ohan> thanks
[10:56] <yo> BluesKaj> c'est gentil mais il y a un trop gros problme !! c'est que j'ai dcid de quitter Windows pour paseer  linux donc je suis tout nouveau
[10:57] <BluesKaj> fernando_, have you tried upgrading the drivers for your vid card
[10:57] <fernando_> what can i do to upgrade?
[10:57] <fernando_> i dont know...
[10:57] <vandenoever> :-( edgy's kernel does not like my hardware
[10:59] <fernando_> i was searching in google but i dont find help, im noob :(
[10:59] <fernando_> where i can find drivers for S3 Pro savage video card
[10:59] <BluesKaj> yo, tenez les windows en in partition dev/hda et le partition de linux en dev/hd3  et le linux swap en partition dev/hd2
[10:59] <fernando_>
[11:01] <fernando_> BluesKaj i have Ubuntu dapper... i think my drivers are ok, or not?
[11:01] <plugs> my openGL screensavers only display on half the monitor. how can i fix that?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> fernando, did you check in system settings/hardware/admin/videocard/config
[11:02] <Hawkwind> yo: Might want to join #Kubuntu-FR and take the French conversation there since this is really an English channel
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind,, he says there is no one in the french chat
[11:03] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Then he could join #Ubuntu-FR as there are many there
[11:03] <Hawkwind> 138 users in #Ubuntu-FR
[11:03] <Hawkwind> 18 in #Kubuntu-FR
[11:04] <fernando_> Anything who knows something about S3 ProSavage?
[11:04] <fernando_> i have problems with my videp
[11:04] <fernando_> video
[11:05] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get the KDE folder icon replaced by Tango?  when I select the Tango icon theme, all icons are replaced but the folder
[11:05] <scast> What's the best way to install crossover office, with an .sh or with .deb ?
[11:07] <vandenoever> back to dapper....
[11:08] <yo> Hawkwind>BluesKaj> thanks whis your "lien" it's good but not with /join #kubuntu.fr  !
[11:08] <greddy> i'm trying to setup a socks 5 server on my server running kubuntu, but i can only find socks 4 servers availible...anyone have any ideas?
[11:09] <ryanakca> umm... what happened to the topic?
[11:09] <ohan> i have wine installed already
[11:10] <ohan> but i can just run a few programs
[11:10] <ohan> no outlook
[11:10] <ryanakca> bur[n] er: I think that's a icon theme problem
[11:10] <ryanakca> ohan: crossover :)
[11:10] <BluesKaj> yo,  /join #kubuntu-fr
[11:11] <ohan> ??
[11:11] <ryanakca> There are so people in #kubuntu-fr
[11:11] <ryanakca> I for one am there...
[11:12] <BluesKaj> ryanakca, yo needs help ..my french sucks and his english ain't so good
[11:13] <BluesKaj> "yo" is a the guy's nick
[11:14] <ryanakca> yo: Join toi au canal #kubuntu-fr, en utilisant la commande:   /join #kubuntu-fr     Tu pourra recevoir de l'aide en francais la-bas
[11:16] <soulrider> anyone here got warsow?
[11:16] <plugs> my openGL screensavers don't display properly. the image is cut off, how can i fix this?
[11:17] <mmikowski> Anyone else notice crappy fonts after updating to kde3.5.4?
[11:17] <ryanakca> BluesKaj: he hasn't even attempted to join #kubuntu-fr
[11:17] <mmikowski> esp in adept
[11:17] <ryanakca> and who changed the topic and why?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> yeah ryanakca, I see that ..."shrug"
[11:18] <BluesKaj> dunno
[11:19] <ryanakca> paolo changed it, and he quit irc 10 seconds later... probably decided to run for his life :)
[11:20] <BluesKaj> whatever, it means nothing to me anyway
[11:22] <lovely> hello hello
[11:22] <hagus> Hallo :)
[11:22] <lovely> hello
[11:23] <bur[n] er> ryanakca: know where to get an updated tango where it does work?
[11:23] <hagus> Hi lovely :)
[11:23] <trappist> mmx1__: yes
[11:23] <lovely> I am new to linux, and have a few (dozen) question
[11:23] <trappist> lovely: shoot
[11:24] <hagus> I have managed to make my adept so that all packages are set to "no change" and they will not budge from that setting - how can I change it?
[11:24] <lovely> ok I have a wintv-pvr 150 and am not sure about the program needed to run it
[11:25] <trappist> lovely: first you need the drivers (ivtv or bttv, I'm not sure on that model) and firmware if it's the ivtv
[11:25] <lovely> what is firmware
[11:25] <trappist> lovely: then you have lots of choices of tv-watching software.  I like mythtv, but I don't know that it's in the repos
[11:25] <trappist> lovely: firmware gets loaded onto the card.  it's sort of like a driver, but on a lower level.
[11:26] <exmethix> iam making a dist-upgrade at the moment.... the repo. servers are very slow
[11:26] <exmethix> i get max. 10kb
[11:26] <exmethix> is that normal?
[11:26] <trappist> exmethix: security.ubuntu.com has been very slow the last couple of weeks or so
[11:26] <bur[n] er> sometimes
[11:26] <bur[n] er> sometimes I get 200+
[11:26] <lovely> ok so I have the site http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77389 but it isnt all that clear
[11:26] <hagus> I tried installing mysql server but found that it removed all the mysql packages bar one.  :(
[11:26] <exmethix> yes it seems to bee security.ubuntu.com
[11:27] <exmethix> the other servers are running well
[11:27] <trappist> lovely: you can use the ivtv documentation, it's distro-independent.  or, if it's a bttv card it's all much easier and you don't have to worry about firmware at all.
[11:27] <exmethix> is there an alternative repo for security.ubuntu.com???
[11:27] <XeXo2> hagus: Try Synaptic
[11:27] <hagus> ty XeXo2 :)
[11:27] <trappist> hagus: probably, but I dunno what it is
[11:28] <XeXo2> hagus: And start it using "kdesu synaptic"
[11:28] <hagus> ty XeXo2 :)
[11:28] <soulrider> does anyone here play warsow?
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> you would have to install it first
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> whats the name of the system update thing again?
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get install synaptic (if adept is broken)
[11:28] <hagus> ty h3sp4wn :)
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> hey hagus whats the name of the utility for updating your system?
[11:29] <hagus> adept
[11:29] <lovely> trappest, I am only understanding a bit of this., now I have the site http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu up with spesifics, and near as I can tell it should work but the site is specific for  "breezy badger"
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> no
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> hagus: if you haven't yet done it I would recommend running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (at some point) or do you have all the security updates now ?
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> thats the package installer
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> i want the system updater
[11:29] <trappist> lovely: the instructions should still work
[11:30] <trappist> lovely: for the most part they should work for any linux distro
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> trappist: you know what im talking about?
[11:30] <bur[n] er> shadeofgrey: update-manager
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> shadeofgrey: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (would work)
[11:30] <hagus> h3sp4wn - atm, I seem to have a reduced set of packages, which are all described as installed and no change.  I think that I do need to do as you say.
[11:30] <bur[n] er> er... disregard... it's not update-manager, that's gnome
[11:30] <trappist> shadeofgrey: to update, I say sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:30] <bur[n] er> shadeofgrey: adept_updater
[11:30] <lovely> so I just go thru step by step, I am a bit fearfull of screwing up my system
[11:30] <hagus> shadeofgrey: how would I find out what my system updater is?
[11:31] <hagus> I use adept to fetch updates
[11:31] <trappist> lovely: some things might fail (if they depend on other things) but nothing in there should mess your system up
[11:32] <lovely> thank you, I will folow the directions
[11:32] <trappist> lovely: it's all about getting and loading the firmware and the drivers
[11:32] <lovely> aparently in a specific order
[11:32] <trappist> yes
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> how do i check to see igf i have the latest version installed
[11:32] <hagus> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:32] <hagus> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:32] <trappist> shadeofgrey: latest version of what
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> the system in general
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Is adept open at the moment ?
[11:33] <hagus> yes
[11:33] <lovely> thanx again
[11:33] <hagus> ah :)
[11:33] <hagus> ok I get the point :)
[11:33] <hagus> I have closed adept now :)
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> because l just did a complete reinstall cuz i fubared a bunch of crap and last time the first update i did needed 200 files and it updated the kernel too
[11:33] <trappist> shadeofgrey: if `grep dapper /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l` is more than 0, you do
[11:34] <shadeofgrey> it returned the number 12
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo apt-get update && apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (It seems you have the same issues I have where the sources don't update properly the first time)
[11:34] <trappist> shadeofgrey: then you're running the latest ubuntu
[11:34] <hagus> it claims to have read the packages, built dep tree, and calculated upgrade but nothing was required.
[11:35] <trappist> hagus: sounds like you're all up to date
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Can I see /etc/apt/sources.list (has it been changed since earlier ?)
[11:35] <june_> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[11:35] <hagus> it has h3 (sorry) :(
[11:35] <hagus> I have mucked around with it too much.
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> hagus: so its messed up again ?
[11:36] <nejode> use source-o-matic to build the new file with dapper repos
[11:36] <hagus> uh uh
[11:36] <june_> oops my clipboard was mucked
[11:36] <june_> i did lppasswd -a (from root) and then typed in the desired password, what do i use to auth with cups? i tried blank/password-from-lppasswd  i tried root/password-from-lppasswd i tried june/password-from-lppasswd   and not only that, password-from-lppasswd matches not only this user's password, but it also matches my root password
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Just pastebin it and I will see what is wrong with it
[11:37] <hagus> !paste
[11:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:37] <trappist> june_: I don't think there is a right user/pass combo.  I think you have to configure cups to allow access to the admin pages.
[11:38] <june_> hrm, so any idea how i would go about that? (sorry, i'm actually about a 3 month veteran of ubuntu, but i had never ever dealt with cups)
[11:38] <hagus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20031
[11:39] <fdoving> !printing
[11:39] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:39] <hagus> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20031
[11:39] <june_> thanks fdoving
[11:39] <june_> at least the printer works locally right now
[11:40] <fdoving> june_: i think 'sudo adduser cupsys shadow' can sort out some auth problems with cups.
[11:40] <june_> but the idea was to have it available network wide, we'll see how that goes
[11:40] <fdoving> june_:
[11:40] <fdoving> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PrintingCupsWebInterface
[11:41] <june_> geeze, i think i don
[11:41] <june_> 't like konversation
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> hagus: that looks fine sudo apt-get install synaptic (and then kdesu synaptic - another package maneger) looks like you are upto date
[11:42] <excitatory> umm.. so i installed the new kde packages, and then every time i started a session, the kde personalizer would appear.  for a while, i continued to skip the wizard, but it still appeared every time.. so i finally broke down and went through it.. now all of my kde settings are defaulted and lost.. is there a way to restore this or do i have to manually fix everything?
[11:42] <june_> it opens konqueror which waits to download entire pages before it opens up... blah
[11:43] <june_> is there a "preffered applications" app for kde?
[11:43] <hagus> I downloaded synaptic via ftp and tried to use the action install at my cursor menu but it refused to install - i shall try using the konsole instead.
[11:46] <Blissex> june_: "preffered applications" app what does that mean?
[11:46] <Blissex> excitatory: depends on what you did...
[11:47] <TheHighChild> hagus: You need to install with Sudo, chances are the option you used to install wasn't root level
[11:47] <Blissex> excitatory: check whatever you did to '~/.kde' or if there is some directory named like that.
[11:47] <hagus> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:47] <hagus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:47] <hagus> is only available from another source
[11:47] <hagus> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[11:47] <Blissex> TheHighChild: hagus: actually use 'kdesu', otherwise 'sudo' will spawn a second KDE as 'root'
[11:47] <hagus> that is the message that came back when I tried to install as sudo
[11:48] <ryanakca> bur[n] er: nope... dunno
[11:48] <hagus> ah ty Blissex :)
[11:48] <Blissex> hagus: that is unlikely to happen unless your APT sources are messed up.
[11:48] <Blissex> !sources
[11:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:48] <Blissex> !easysource
[11:48] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:48] <june_> Blissex: Like, what the default web browser is, what the default mail program is
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> Blissex: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20031 (that is is sources.list which looks fine to me)
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> *his
[11:49] <Blissex> june_: ah yes, the control centre/settings and then the 'Components' submenu.
[11:49] <Blissex> june_: and then 'Component chooser'.
[11:49] <TheHighChild> is it me or is security.ubuntu.com *almost always* down?
[11:49] <hagus> If I had managed to install synaptic would it appear on my start menu?
[11:49] <trappist> TheHighChild: lately, it's almost always either down or intolerably slow
[11:49] <Kyral_Laptop> there is no start menu
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Its just slow (except early in the morning (in the uk at least)
[11:50] <TheHighChild> I've added ghetto repos from forums I find and they're more stable than than security.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <Blissex> hagus: yes.
[11:50] <roshan> my fonts don't look terribly well, is there a way to grab someone's kde font config, copy it into the correct directories, and have the fonts look nice (i.e., choosing the right font and size for the different aspects of kde that you get to choose from kcontrol)
[11:50] <hagus> i do not seem to have it yet :)
[11:50] <trappist> roshan: did you upgrade to 3.5.4?
[11:50] <Blissex> roshan: that is unbelievably hard to do unfortunately. Font management is very hard.
[11:51] <Blissex> hagus: then use the source-o-matic to get sources and then 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[11:51] <roshan> trappist: I am at 3.5.4
[11:51] <trappist> it's not the "right" way to do it in ubuntu, but I follow the instructions in the googlable "font deuglification howto" and my fonts look beautiful when I'm done
[11:51] <Blissex> roshan: however in my indefinite wisdom I have written somewhat fullish discussions of the enormous mess.
[11:51] <hagus> source-o-matic?
[11:51] <Blissex> trappist: that is not so good.
[11:51] <trappist> roshan: yeah fonts are looking pretty rough for me too in 3.5.4
[11:52] <trappist> Blissex: it works *shrug*
[11:52] <Blissex> hagus: I printed out a couple of links for your before. I'll do again.
[11:52] <Blissex> "sources
[11:52] <Blissex> !sources
[11:52] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:52] <Blissex> !easysource
[11:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:52] <hagus> ah ok - sorry Blissex :)
[11:52] <hagus> I am oooooooooold :)
[11:53] <Blissex> hagus: me too... almost as much as you :-)
[11:53] <june_> Thanks Blissex
[11:53] <trappist> hagus: you're not old.  I'm 31.  the oldest ubuntu user on earth.
[11:53] <Blissex> roshan: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060509
[11:53] <roshan> hmmm....so is there a place where you can see what good font settings are to set up in kcontrol?
[11:53] <hagus> trappist - I am 53 lol
[11:53] <Blissex> roshan: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html for the brave.
[11:53] <trappist> hagus: awesome!
[11:53] <trappist> hagus: I hope to be that old myself one day.
[11:53] <Blissex> hagus: almost as much here.
[11:54] <tycho451> Hi, just a quick question: If I insert a cd isn't it supposed to mount automaticly in kubuntu?
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> trappist: don't be in too much of a hurry :)
[11:54] <hagus> It was from source-o-matic that I got the source.list that now populates my source.list :)
[11:54] <Blissex> roshan: examples of font rendering alternatives: http://ty.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno06-2nd.html#060502
[11:54] <trappist> LeeJunFan: I didn't used to be, but at 31 I'm already old, so it's not like I have youth to squander.
[11:54] <Blissex> hagus: what happens if you do 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'?
[11:54] <Blissex> trappist: you are still an innocent little person at 31 :-).
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> tycho451: if it's a recognized filesystem then yes - you should get a popup asking what you want to do unless you've told it to not ask in the future on a previous attempt.
[11:55] <roshan> well, these seem like things you can do to change font config within X, I am talking about the font settings that you change within KDE, do you see the difference?
[11:55] <hagus> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:55] <hagus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:55] <hagus> is only available from another source
[11:55] <hagus> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[11:55] <Blissex> roshan: there is no difference. KDE just changes the FontConfig setting in '~/.fonts' instead of globally.
[11:56] <hagus> That is the message that it generates
[11:56] <Blissex> hagus: that means your sources are not good. Synaptic is pretty much an essential bit.
[11:56] <Blissex> hagus: try also 'sudo apt-get install adept'
[11:56] <roshan> Blissex: but, for instance, it seems like the fonts on my window title look nicer than the fonts in the drop down menus
[11:56] <hagus> it claims adept is already the newest version
[11:56] <Blissex> hagus: anyhow, best thing is to use source-o-matic again and ask for more sources of more typed.
[11:57] <hagus> ok
[11:57] <roshan> also, does anyone else experience a crash when they do:  kmenu -> System Settings -> Appearance?
[11:57] <june_> hey, every KDE web app seems slow as hell, is it likely ipv6 is enabled by default? and if so, how do i turn it off?
[11:57] <Blissex> hagus: well, Adept is kind of like Synaptic and many people think it is better. So you can try that perhaps.
[11:57] <Blissex> roshan: perhaps you have nice bitmap fonts for titles and bad scalable ones for menus.
[11:57] <tycho451> LeeJunFan: The Popup shows up, but when I click "Show up in new Window" it tries to open "system:/media/hdd" which is not available
[11:58] <Blissex> june_: it is likely it is on, but it is unlikely the cause is IPv6. how slow?
[11:58] <Blissex> roshan: anyhow read in depth both blog entries, you really need to understand the many choices and types of fonts.
[11:58] <roshan> very well
[12:00] <Blissex> roshan: not so well, the mess is big and is not my fault, I assure you, I just describe it...
[12:00] <june_> Blissex: reminds me of my first time on ubuntu using firefox (of course, without ipv6 turned off) just painfully and unneccesarily slow
[12:00] <Blissex> june_: how many seconds or whatever?
[12:00] <june_> maybe 30+ for a simple page in the ubuntu wiki
[12:00] <korgans> hi im trying installing cedega and i got an eror that xlib 4.1.0 notinstalled but i installed xlibs @_@
[12:01] <june_> ie tables, the little header image, and some text
[12:01] <roshan> so no one else crashes when trying to access System Settings -> Appearance, huh
[12:01] <hagus> hm - I have repopulated my sources.list with every repository listed in the source-o-matic auto generated source.list.
[12:02] <Blissex> june_: try to do something slow and at the same time run 'vmstat 1' in a terminal window, and check the CPU time and 'bi' and 'bo' and 'si' and 'so' columns and see which ones get big.
[12:02] <hagus> it tells me I cannot connect to X server
[12:02] <Blissex> hagus: then do this: 'sudo apt-get update' to download the table of contents.
[12:03] <Blissex> hagus: after that try 'kdesu adept' just to see what happens.
[12:03] <hagus> cannot connect to X server4
[12:03] <hagus> X server even
[12:04] <june_> bo seems to be the biggest
[12:04] <june_> bi gets big every once in a while
[12:05] <Blissex> june_: how big in numbers?
[12:05] <june_> mostly zeros
[12:05] <june_> but
[12:05] <Blissex> june_: or better, use the ubuntu pastebin and paste 20-30 lines from that
[12:05] <june_> bo topped out at 732
[12:05] <june_> k
[12:06] <korgans> soemone have time to help me ?
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo apt-get update (then press control c straight away) then press the up arrow and enter pretty fast (that works for me every time)
[12:07] <hagus> ok ta :)
[12:07] <june_> Blissex: http://hstuart.dk/paste/view.aspx?id=f4ea5ab5-16e6-45cb-8865-7556995e874f
[12:07] <Blissex> june_: thats a lot actually for web browsing.
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> hagus: the package list never downloads properly for me otherwise
[12:08] <korgans> Somone is acknoledged here with cedega ?


[14:04] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +12606 cases (now 1.3 million), +248 deaths (now 22150) since a day ago


[00:22] <dutchie> Azelphur: i have an account
[00:22] <dutchie> i looked at it for the first time in months today actualy
[00:22] <dutchie> it's ok
[00:23] <dutchie> i'd like custom categories which a cursory glance doesn't find
[00:42] <Azelphur> dutchie: how does it work in terms of security?
[01:00] <dutchie> Azelphur: you give them your online banking login details
[01:00] <dutchie> presumably they then screenscrape it
[01:01] <Azelphur> yea, that worries me haha
[01:01] <Azelphur> I think it voids your insurance with the bank
[01:01] <dutchie> probably
[01:01] <daftykins> hell, that enacts a face slap from daftykins for that level of retardation
[01:02] <daftykins> D:
[01:02] <dutchie> until banks offer apis etc there's not really another way to do it
[01:02] <Azelphur> yea, that's silly
[01:02] <dutchie> and i can't see that happening this decade
[01:02] <Azelphur> I wonder how a screen scraper works with banks that do 2fa
[01:02] <dutchie> expect you have to turn that off
[01:03] <Azelphur> can you even turn it off?
[01:03] <Azelphur> I didn't realise it was optional
[01:05] <dutchie> idk, mine doesn't offer it
[01:05] <daftykins> i wouldn't be surprised if in the regs it says if you do that, all your money are belong to strangers
[01:05] <dutchie> not for login at leas
[01:05] <dutchie> t
[01:05] <Azelphur> yea
[01:06] <Azelphur> so annoying, the banks need proper APIs for this stuff
[01:06] <dutchie> they do
[01:06] <dutchie> but it's not exactly a fast moving industry
[01:06] <Azelphur> oh cool, where are they?
[01:06] <Azelphur> if they have APIs, I'll just write my own things.
[01:06] <dutchie> i meant "they do need apis"
[01:06] <dutchie> hehe
[01:06] <Azelphur> oh
[01:07] <Azelphur> :<
[01:07] <dutchie> i wonder how hard it would actually be to set up a bank with apis etc
[01:07] <dutchie> or whether the regs make it really hard
[01:07] <Azelphur> dutchie: very difficult, I know from the bitcoin side of things.
[01:07] <Azelphur> I've been approached by people wanting to build banks before
[01:07] <dutchie> mm, i expected as much
[01:07] <Azelphur> it has a ~£100m entry point
[01:07] <dutchie> jesus
[01:08] <Azelphur> and that's just fort he insurance
[01:08] <Azelphur> dutchie: I was just thinking whether you could emulate one of those 2fa boxes ;)
[01:09] <dutchie> my immediate thought is "surely the point of them is you can't"
[01:09] <dutchie> although i guess not
[01:09] <dutchie> public key cryptography and all that
[01:09] <Azelphur> dutchie: nah, the point would be without the card and pin
[01:09] <Azelphur> which, in this scenario we have (yay!)
[01:09] <dutchie> indeed
[01:09] <Azelphur> if push comes to shove you could clone the card and use lego mindstorms to enter the pin
[01:09] <Azelphur> haha
[01:11] <Azelphur> dutchie: looks like the company that made the readers has a library, haha
[01:13] <Azelphur> ^ I wonder how many watch lists I'm on now for the above conversation
[01:14] <daftykins> they're like pokémon, gotta catch 'em all!
[01:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[01:34] <shauno> I can't see why you couldn't emulate devices for 2fa.  like the stuff google etc use, that's a public algorithm
[06:30] <mapps> morning
[09:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[14:29] <mapps> hm strange
[14:29] <mapps> so my machine only boots if i select ubuntu advanced options and select an older kernel .23
[14:29] <mapps> .30 and it just gets stuck in a loop:(
[14:31] <penguin42> you say stuck in a loop - what do you mean?
[14:31] <mapps> basically says like bootsplash screen [ok] screen flashes then same thing
[14:33] <penguin42> do you have any closed graphics drivers installed (nvidia or ati etc)
[14:33] <mapps> nope
[14:34] <penguin42> ok, so you've got a regression, it needs reporting, and then to figure out what's going on
[14:34] <penguin42> I'd try booting into the broken one, then boot into the working one and see if it managed to leave anything in the logs from the broken one
[14:34] <mapps> ok so reboot now
[14:34] <mapps> where would it write the logs to ?
[14:35] <mapps> . /var/log/?
[14:35] <penguin42> yeh
[14:35] <penguin42> kern.log or syslog or maybe Xorg.0.log from the previous boot
[14:35] <mapps> ok booting it now
[14:38] <mapps> 3.13.0-30-generic
[14:38] <mapps> its booted now
[14:38] <mapps> hmm
[14:39] <penguin42> congratulations, you've got a heisenbug
[14:39] <mapps> so i should look at the boot logs and see why it failed before still
[14:39] <penguin42> nod, if you're lucky
[14:53] <penguin42> popey: Are you coming up here for xda dev conference next month?
[15:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:27]  * penguin42 yawns
[15:33] <mapps> morning bigcalm
[15:51] <popey> penguin42: yes
[15:52] <popey> penguin42: take it you'll be there?
[15:53] <penguin42> popey: I was thinking of being, I see there's a discount rate for only #25 and it'll only take me a few mins to get there
[15:54] <popey> nice!
[15:54] <popey> would be super to finally meet
[16:06] <bigcalm> Are there any other subscription based television channel providers in the UK other than Sky and VirginMedia? Trying to see what our options are once we move house
[16:06] <mapps> hmm dont think so
[16:06] <penguin42> bt vision?
[16:06] <mapps> hows that work?>
[16:06] <bigcalm> penguin42: does that require taking out BT broadband?
[16:07] <penguin42> I think so
[16:08] <bigcalm> That's a bit pants then
[16:08] <bigcalm> I think we'll make do with freesat
[16:09]  * penguin42 just uses freeview
[16:10] <bigcalm> New house already has a satellite dish, so freesat will give us HD channels
[16:14] <penguin42> house comes with a satellite dish?
[16:15] <bigcalm> penguin42: it's not a new build, it's new to us. Current (or previous) owners had satellite at some point.
[16:16] <bigcalm> I rather doubt that the owners are going to take the dish with them
[16:20] <DJones> bigcalm: From memory, Sky's satelite dish's go with the house anyway
[16:21] <DJones> But its very simple to connect cables to the dish, especially fi its already been upgraded in the last few years to have 4 outputs (Sky do it for Sky HD, multiroom etc)
[16:22] <DJones> s/fi/if/
[16:23] <DJones> When we moved in, we had an old white sky dish on the side of the house, we've never had an issue with sky & kept up a subscription since we moved in, at some point when we upgraded toHD or multiroom, Sky replaced the dish for one of the mesh ones as well
[16:23] <bigcalm> DJones: if memory serves me correctly, I think it has 4 outputs. Only 2 in use to the sittingroom. So would make use of the other two to the bedroom
[16:45] <DJones> bigcalm: Yep (if its been upgraded for HD), we use 2 for HD into the living room, one for SD to the conservatory using a Freesat from Sky card and one for SD to the bedroom using Multiroom
[16:46] <DJones> Cables for the bedroom & conservatory I fitted myself using cable from maplin
[17:10] <MooDoo> pwd
[17:11] <MooDoo> ooops
[17:14] <bigcalm> DJones: single single cables to the two main bedrooms sounds like a good idea to me!
[17:14] <DJones> bigcalm: Yeah, very easy, just screw thread connectors
[17:15] <DJones> Hey its a MooDoo Hows the new job going
[17:21] <DJones> Sheesh, Rupert Murdoc on twitter "NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google." Erm, What, Who owns the Sun & News of the World, why aren't you in jail
[17:22] <Myrtti> I believe nobody forces people to sign up for Google services or to use their search engine, even
[17:22] <Myrtti> NSA/GHCQ aren't opt-outable except by moving to ... well.
[17:22] <DJones> Myrtti: exactly,
[17:24] <DJones> I have no problem with the NSA/GCHQ reading my google account with all its ubuntu-uk mailing list emails
[17:24] <Myrtti> using email is a bit fatalistic anyway
[17:24] <Myrtti> unless you use PGP on everything
[17:27] <Azelphur> Does anyone know that website that you can put someones email into and it sends them an abnoxious email about using the BCC field?
[17:27] <Azelphur> I can't seem to find it xD
[17:28] <DJones> Isn't that azelphur.com ?
[17:28] <Azelphur> lol
[17:35] <Azelphur> meh, I just sent them http://www.pleaselearntherules.com/
[17:38] <DJones> A few weeks back, I had emails returned saying I wasn't replying, just returning the email, after about 6 emails, I pointed out that I was replying at the bottom of the relevant email,, they came back and said that it was wierd, nobody ever did that. Oddest thing was that I was emailing our IT/tech support contracter
[20:41] <bigcalm> Anybody know how bitfolk compare to bytemark?
[21:46] <diddledan_> really? http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/17/another-image-new-lightning-cable/
[21:46] <diddledan_> no more schroedinger plugs?
[21:47] <daftykins> mmm i saw that, it doesn't look very sturdy though
[21:47] <diddledan_> it doesn't does it
[21:47] <daftykins> thing is when they say lightning, they just mean USB to lightning don't they?
[21:47] <daftykins> it's quite misleading said like that
[21:47] <diddledan_> yeah they do
[21:47] <diddledan_> it's the usb end that's interesting this time
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> well i'm sure apple will have cheap replacements if they fail :-p
[21:48] <daftykins> laaaaaawl ;)
[21:48] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi, yeah £20 a pop
[21:48] <daftykins> cheap if you don't mind dying
[21:49] <diddledan_> USB3.1 is going to replace USB connectors A and B in favour of a reversible thing soon, too
[21:49] <daftykins> yeah i like the look of that
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> so instead of 3 attempts to plug in it'll only take 1, think of the time savinigs :-)
[21:49] <daftykins> also 100W power and 10Gb
[21:49] <diddledan_> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/187882-reversible-usb-type-c-connector-finalized-devices-cables-and-adapters-coming-soon
[21:49] <daftykins> indeed!
[21:50] <daftykins> so for a next upgrade i'd wait for DDR4 and USB 3.1 :>
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed the eu then pushes for a standard laptop charger over usb 3
[21:50] <daftykins> indeed
[21:50] <daftykins> and Apple opens up magsafe so all laptops use magsafe cables!
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> i'd also be happy if eu pushed for a standard ink cartridge or toner
[21:51] <diddledan_> the problem I have with both Type-B and the new C is that they have a really thin bit in the socket that can easily break off given the correct angle of force
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> well didn't a deep fat fryer use mag power dohickey before apple?
[21:53] <diddledan_> I think I'd prefer the thin bit to be part of the cable so that it's cheaper to replace if it breaks
[21:53] <diddledan_> i.e. a lightning cable :-p
[21:53] <diddledan_> I guess apple got there first and stamped a "nyer nyer" logo on the idea
[21:54] <diddledan_> aka patent
[21:54] <daftykins> the pin part of HDMI looks pretty darn flimsy in the socket too, if you ever stare at one closely
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> prior art still counts but no one wants to spend the dosh
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> you're not meant to plug hdmi in and out every day.
[21:57] <daftykins> true, but still
[21:58] <diddledan_> did nobody tell the EU that USB3.1 was coming when they decided to mandate that all phones use micro-usb connectors?
[21:59] <diddledan_> they could have post-poned the decision and ensured future-proofing
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> well the micro usb thing was started years before that wasn't it?
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> and if they had waitied for ratification we'd already be eyeing the replacement before it was made law
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> they need to reimplement/replace the 'standard' every 2-3 years
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> and apple will ignore it
[22:00] <daftykins> diddledan_: bit of a blow isn't it :( i just got a bedside table, so if i put mains sockets in, i'd have originally picked standard USB, but now they'll need to be changed if phone chargers change!
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> so some form of standard power extension cable then... :-)
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> i do have 2-3 of them with usb sockets about the place
[22:02] <daftykins> i was gonna look into getting a two-gang wall socket plate with USB built in though, is what i mean
[22:02] <daftykins> oh right
[22:02] <daftykins> what ampage do they put out?
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> 1 which for the apple set is a little low
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> one of them is on 24 hour timer to turn on and charge a few devices for one hour a day
[22:04] <daftykins> 0o interesting plan
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> so my olpc which i use irregularly is always ready to roll
[22:04] <daftykins> is the timer built in?
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> nah, separate add on to the power extension is plugged into
[22:09] <daftykins> ah
[22:22] <diddledan_> http://phandroid.com/2014/08/15/ignore-no-more-app/
[22:23] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:24] <daftykins> and now that handy page exists to find out how to remove it
[22:24] <daftykins> NICE!
[22:25] <diddledan_> how abiout this one for funny, then? http://phandroid.com/2014/08/13/woman-steals-mans-phone-calls-911-after-he-wont-stop-harassing-her/
[22:28] <daftykins> O_O
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> well she assumed the cops would help the woman in distress long enough for her to get away
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> it probably would work some of the time
[22:30] <daftykins> believe me i'd be the first to call out the crazy of listening to a 'vinyl rip' on youtube
[22:30] <daftykins> but - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2x3UNHNo1LA
[22:31] <daftykins> this is simply amazing. Blade Runner soundtrack
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> i got some of vangelis's music from blade runner on cd.  wonderful
[22:37] <daftykins> ooh
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> and if you like vangelis you might like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz1cEO01LLc
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> made without a synth
[22:45] <diddledan_> daftykins, that's an hour long!1!
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> and the best scene in a hacker movie is when a bank is robbed to this tune... :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZygIVDql8Bk
[22:46] <diddledan_> daftykins, pretty good audio, tho
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> people these days take vinyl very seriously
[22:47] <daftykins> i've still never heard a proper vinyl on a setup, let alone one i can make comparisons with
[22:47] <diddledan_> the audio is running at roughly 1MB/min
[22:48] <daftykins> i presently believe it's mostly in peoples minds
[22:49] <diddledan_> that's 16Kbyte/s or ~120Kbit/s
[22:49]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how much was paid for the setup in the blade runner vinyl video
[22:50] <daftykins> is that with the 720p version diddledan_ ? :D
[22:50] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i wondered too
[22:50] <diddledan_> it seems to be the 360 version
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> i remember in a book on douglas adams where he admitted to paying for a stereo setup about as much as you could pay for a house in some parts
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> not a pop down to the hifi store and pick up a new deck
[22:52] <daftykins> diddledan_: i think it's said audio quality on YT goes up as you set the video, rather oddly
[22:52] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: :D rings a bell
[22:52] <daftykins> my cat is going nuts over the snipped-off ends from cable ties
[22:52] <daftykins> lol
[22:53] <diddledan_> appears roughly the same on a 720 stream
[22:53] <daftykins> not sure if i linked this already but i put in a new table today for my AV gear
[22:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gjqwx8bztjpek09/AADRQlfdtPl83pOCGuPOsL8ya
[22:54] <diddledan_> ooh, that's pretty
[22:54] <diddledan_> I love how a tv used to be "one plug" and now it's "you need more than that, matey"
[22:55] <diddledan_> same with PCs
[22:55] <diddledan_> I've got a shedload of sockets and can never find a free one
[22:55] <diddledan_> I'm sure some of them just have a plug in which isn't connected to anything
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> and remotes...
[22:57] <diddledan_> what do you do with xbmc? (I use my chromecast instead of an xbmc box these days)
[22:57] <diddledan_> oh, remotes!
[22:57] <diddledan_> remotes are the devil's business
[22:58] <diddledan_> idle hands randomly punch buttons on the remote while you're watching something!
[22:58] <diddledan_> I do that all the time with my own remote
[22:58] <diddledan_> I sit there watching something and then my finger decides I want to watch something else
[22:59] <diddledan_> problem is I feel I have to hold the remote in case a loud bit comes along and I need to quieten it down for fear of waking the neighbour
[23:00] <daftykins> hehe, thankfully my amp and TV are clever so the TV's audio gets sent over the single monitor feed HDMI
[23:00] <daftykins> (if i use something TV native like the smart apps, e.g. iPlayer)
[23:01] <daftykins> XBMC i tend to just play TV and film over the LAN from my file server upstairs
[23:01] <daftykins> lately i've been watching a friends twitch.tv game stream from his PS4 some nights too though :)
[23:01] <daftykins> that blade runner vid is currently playing too
[23:01] <daftykins> i have this firefox add-on to send YT links to the HTPC to play
[23:01] <daftykins> though it crashes XBMC about 4 in 5 times =|
[23:02] <daftykins> (old version) need to get around to upgrading
[23:02] <diddledan_> lol
[23:02] <diddledan_> I've got an old nvidia-ion-based aspire revo I should look at doing something with
[23:03] <daftykins> that's what this is practically
[23:03] <daftykins> atom 330 and ion 1 :)
[23:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uygo5tafy0xopgp/AABETB3cQ3sIvZTxJhg9ep-7a
[23:03] <daftykins> i'd love to move up to something quieter
[23:04] <diddledan_> that revo was the bee's whiskered wotsits when it came out for tv use, but cheaper arm-based things are trumping it these days I guess
[23:05] <diddledan_> wasn't the ion the first low-power-mass-market chip capable of doing hardware video decoding?
[23:05] <diddledan_> now we have the awesome raspi gfx chip
[23:06] <daftykins> heh i'd still much rather run this than a pi
[23:06] <daftykins> i'd say it probably was, yeah - nice little machines
[23:06] <daftykins> especially with the little 40GB Intel X25-V i have it paired up with
[23:06] <daftykins> makes the image loading instant in XBMC, so no ugly delays
[23:07] <daftykins> i can control it from my android phone of course :) look like a real poser by having it auto-pause a film when someone calls me
[23:07] <diddledan_> the revo specifically (rather than a self-build jobbie) was impossible to get into (I broke it when I tried! :-p)
[23:07] <daftykins> or show my incoming texts up on-screen
[23:07] <diddledan_> nice
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> as long as no one is about if a risque one arrives
[23:07] <diddledan_> lol
[23:08] <diddledan_> daftykins doesn't get many of those unless I've figured out his new number ;-)
[23:08] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: haha, everyones on whatsapp really these days
[23:08] <daftykins> just a couple of friends and my dad who use bog-standard SMS
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> not me \o/
[23:09] <diddledan_> yeah afaict nobody uses sms anymore
[23:09] <daftykins> it's not a bad thing :)
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> my nokia dumbphone even came with whatsapp app
[23:09] <diddledan_> which is probably why the networks have gone back to 1990s and bundled unlimited messages again
[23:10] <daftykins> a dumbphone with whatsapp O_O
[23:10] <diddledan_> I remember my first contract phone included unlimited local-rate/intra-network calls in 1998
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> that's why facebook bought them, they have a huge place on non smartphones
[23:10] <diddledan_> don't tell anybody I was 15 at the time ;-)
[23:11] <daftykins> ah, i had no idea they were off of iOS and android at all
[23:11] <diddledan_> I'm sure my dad's credit score and my own have managed to get mixed up
[23:11] <daftykins> text has always been a bit cheeky really hasn't it, ultimately once a telco's infrastructure is up, it doesn't cost anything for texts
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> facebook wants to add the next billion facebook users from places with no computers or smartphones
[23:12] <diddledan_> just had this drop into my thingy: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_105601_52740671_pe_button/?docId=1000821793&ie=UTF8
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> just last week even ms released a dumbphone
[23:13] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi, I would expect that to be a remnant from pre-ms-nokia days
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> no it seems to be an ms keep android out of their hands jobbie.  even if it doesn't do internet
[23:15] <diddledan_> is amazon saying it thinks I'm outside britain?
[23:16] <diddledan_> the "EP" from that link says it's costing 1.99
[23:16] <diddledan_> amazon says in the email it should be freebie
[23:17] <diddledan_> aah, you need to be logged-in
[23:23] <diddledan_> brb, reboobing to OSX
[23:25] <diddledan_> aaand, I'm back
[23:31] <diddledan_> try again, diddledan_


[01:39] <charlie-tca> wayland had hit oneiric universe repository
[01:40] <charlie-tca> s/had/has
[01:42] <Unit193> Eh, I'm not so sure that's a good thing. Thanks very much for telling me (us)
[01:42] <pleia2> people said the same thing about xorg :)
[01:42] <charlie-tca> good/bad/indifferent, it is there to play with.
[01:45] <Unit193> You would need an addon for ssh -X wouldn't you?
[01:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I thought the only missing stuff was for remote gui's using xserver
[01:48]  * charlie-tca slaps himself with the wet trout
[01:48] <charlie-tca> I guess that would be, huh?
[01:49] <Unit193> That's it! I do use that one...
[02:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: wayland was in natty (although it didn't work)
[02:06] <charlie-tca> I didn't know that
[02:07] <micahg> !info wayland natty
[02:07] <charlie-tca> Don't know if it works now either
[02:07] <micahg> the necessary cairo pieces were disabled in natty so as not to break everything else
[02:08] <charlie-tca> looks like the same package, too
[02:08] <micahg> yep
[02:08] <micahg> except now it came through Debian :)
[02:09] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[15:54] <charlie-tca> UDW (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek) day 3 starting in 6 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom


[01:36] <lllmanulll> I made a few tries and designed a few icons, here :
[01:36] <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomePanelEnhancementsIdeas
[01:36] <lllmanulll> (bottom of the page)
[01:36] <lllmanulll> Still need to be downsized for the non-vector ones, but the basic is there
[03:27] <Obz> ehlo
[04:26] <volvoguy> hi all! what's happenin'?
[04:28] <lllmanulll> Well
[04:28] <lllmanulll> Not much :)
[04:29] <volvoguy> well let's get to work! *snap, snap* :o)
[04:29] <lllmanulll> I did make a few icons today
[04:29] <lllmanulll> But nothing fantastic :)
[04:30] <lllmanulll> Anyway, is the team really active ?
[04:30] <volvoguy> excellent. are you keeping in touch with andrew about getting them in the official package?
[04:30] <lllmanulll> Hmm, not yet, actually I just began this
[04:31] <lllmanulll> Couldn't really find someone to tell me what icons to make, since I'd like to concentrate on applications icons
[04:31] <volvoguy> we really need to be active. i think Jeff W's email on the list confirmed that. we've just been slacking off (probably my fault) while we waited for our server to be put in place.
[04:31] <lllmanulll> Ah, right, I first to need to subscribe to this list :)
[04:31] <lllmanulll> Maybe you could give me your opinion about my first icons ? :)
[04:32] <volvoguy> lllmanulll, are you on the mailing list? i don't see andrew in here very often, so that's probably the best way to get his attention.
[04:32] <lllmanulll> I'll do that
[04:32] <volvoguy> mailing list is here - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[04:32] <lllmanulll> Actually I was working on code until now (for the gnome panel)
[04:33] <volvoguy> cool!
[04:34] <volvoguy> honestly, i'm not sure  what the best way is to collaborate on the icons right this second. you almost have to ask andrew where he needs help. i know mime types are really lacking right now.
[04:34] <lllmanulll> That's it, subscribed ! Thanks
[04:35] <volvoguy> excellent.
[04:35] <lllmanulll> I also made these :
[04:35] <lllmanulll> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomePanelEnhancementsIdeas
[04:35] <lllmanulll> See bottom of the page
[04:35] <lllmanulll> Any of them can actually be usable ?
[04:36] <volvoguy> quite possible. have you seen the "humility" icon theme that will be the default in breezy?
[04:36] <lllmanulll> Yes, I'm using it right now
[04:38] <volvoguy> good, good. i think while we're waiting for CVS/subversion/whatever, the best thing to do is submit ideas (and links to examples if you have them) to the mailing list. if we run into a really pressing issue, we'll try to get everybody in here for a meeting.
[04:39] <lllmanulll> All right, I might be posting the link above to the list, then ?
[04:39] <volvoguy> i actually got a laptop from canonical for the laptop testing team, and to use on the couch (really bad back problems). unfortunately i got a spankin' new laptop that Ubuntu doesn't like so far, so i haven't got much done lately.
[04:40] <volvoguy> yeah. i would post that link and say you created the icons at the bottom... then ask generally (or Andrew specifically) what areas in the icon set need the most work.
[04:40] <lllmanulll> All right
[04:42] <volvoguy> Andrew is kinda like the boss of the icon set. i know that one major thing he strives for is to only use colors from the ubuntu palette - then do overlays of black and white transparency to do shading. that's probably his most strict "rule".
[04:43] <lllmanulll> Ah right, my icons will probably need a bit of color work then
[04:45] <volvoguy> probably a little. that's why i don't have much done either - it's not easy to restrict yourself to such a small palette! :)
[04:45] <lllmanulll> Right...
[04:46] <volvoguy> hey miketech. are you awake in here?
[04:49] <volvoguy> i found out yesterday that Canonical HAS been working on our server, and that they're using art.gnome.org as the codebase for the website. "we have the technology. we can rebuild it". :) miketech, do you know what else we might need to do to become a "repository" in your gnome-art app?
[08:49] <klepas> moin
[08:50] <whiprush> volvoguy: ping
[08:50] <volvoguy> yo whiprush.
[08:50] <klepas> :-)
[08:50] <volvoguy> what's up?
[08:50] <klepas> thanks for clearing up the art team issue for me volvo
[08:50] <whiprush> volvoguy: hust got your mail
[08:51] <whiprush> lemme digest it
[08:51] <klepas> Yea
[08:51] <volvoguy> i do what i can. :)
[08:51] <klepas> I was the guy who asked
[08:51] <klepas> :-)
[08:51] <klepas> Sorry to hear about your back though
[08:51] <volvoguy> we're glad to have ya.
[08:51] <volvoguy> thanks. it sucks, but i'll live. :)
[08:51] <klepas> :-)
[08:52] <klepas> I'm new to helping out with Ubuntu
[08:52] <klepas> I've been reading through the wiki
[08:52] <volvoguy> i'll probably just need to disappear for about a month post-surgery.
[08:52] <klepas> especially in relation to joining, doing doc and art
[08:52] <klepas> ouch
[08:52] <whiprush> volvoguy: heh, try ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu for an ubuntu mirror. :p
[08:53] <whiprush> But yeah, I can provide anything you need.
[08:53] <whiprush> svn, svn, or bzr, whatever.
[08:53] <whiprush> er, cvs, svn, or bzr is what I meant to say
[08:54] <volvoguy> well, this group seems to be slow going right now. hopefully Jeff's comments will get people motivated.
[08:54] <whiprush> I am here to help!
[08:54] <klepas> ditto
[08:54] <volvoguy> I know Andrew (the icon guy) and Jeff Waugh have talked about bazzar, but I have no idea what the status is right now.
[08:54] <whiprush> So you don't go under until nov then right? Surely we can hang out before then.
[08:54] <klepas> bazzar?
[08:55] <klepas> http://www.volvoguy.net is heavily outdated...
[08:55] <volvoguy> yep. november 4th. i get to be cut open and turned into the bionic man. well... some screws and steel cables in my spine. that's better that missing discs though i think.
[08:55] <klepas> last blog entry october last yea
[08:56] <whiprush> volvoguy: we should meet irl soon then.
[08:56] <whiprush> Our loco has like 30 people
[08:56] <whiprush> we could help.
[08:56] <volvoguy> klepas, yeah.... when i get the time to work on the computer these days i'm using working on artwork or laptop (curses) stuff.
[08:57] <klepas> curses or courses? :-)
[08:57] <volvoguy> whiprush, excellent. i'm sure i can manage something this weekend or next week. my schedule is clear until the surgery now i think.
[08:58] <volvoguy> klepas, curses. I got a Canonical laptop but it's too new for Linux. It has hardware RAID, SATA hard drives and a PCI express video card. none of which work with Ubuntu at the moment.
[08:59] <klepas> a canonical laptop - what exactly makes it a canonical one?
[08:59] <volvoguy> oh... and bazzar (from what i understand) is Canonical's own software versioning system like CVS, Subversion and the like.
[08:59] <whiprush> volvoguy: next saturday we're doing an installfest at oakland to celebrate software freedom dasy
[08:59] <whiprush> er, day
[08:59] <volvoguy> klepas, they bought it for me. :)
[08:59] <whiprush> but we could meet earlier, I got a comfy, back-safe couch in my office.
[08:59] <volvoguy> whiprush, oooh. cool. i'll be there for that!
[09:00] <whiprush> volvoguy: www.ubuntudetroit.org
[09:00] <volvoguy> couches work too. :)
[09:00] <klepas> ah, finally it's Friday
[09:01] <volvoguy> whiprush, nice... someone (maybe you?) mentioned the detroit site the day it launched i think and it was down at the time. i keep forgetting to visit.
[09:01] <whiprush> heh
[09:01] <volvoguy> nice header. :)
[09:01] <whiprush> well, dude we've got plenty of members in the area, if you need any kind of help then please ping me.
[09:01] <whiprush> It's all about community
[09:01] <whiprush> so if you need anything from us then let us know
[09:02] <whiprush> we're here to help.
[09:02] <volvoguy> i appreciate it! i haven't been to an MDLUG meeting in years. :)
[09:03] <whiprush> 2~heh
[09:03] <whiprush> they kind of suck
[09:03] <whiprush> you need to go to mug.
[09:03] <volvoguy> yeah. they kinda scared me.
[09:03] <whiprush> don't worry dude, we're on a 2 year plan
[09:03] <volvoguy> hanging out in SGI's building was kinda cool though.
[09:03] <whiprush> the plan is to become such a huge community that sabdfl has to visit us.
[09:04] <volvoguy> woohoo!
[09:04] <whiprush> we do need to meet before nov though
[09:04] <volvoguy> you know, the next conference is in canada.
[09:04] <whiprush> because I'm going to montreal for the next dev conference
[09:04] <volvoguy> cool. :)
[09:04] <whiprush> so I need to get your concerns about whatever
[09:04] <whiprush> so I can present them to the devs
[09:04] <volvoguy> when is that again?
[09:05] <whiprush> first week of nov
[09:05] <volvoguy> doh!
[09:05] <whiprush> shitty timing
[09:05] <whiprush> either way, it's crappy that we haven't linked up yet.
[09:05] <whiprush> you'd dig our loco, we got a good thing going on
[09:05] <volvoguy> sabdfl would have to pay my way anyway. although likely being involved in two teams now, i knew the medical stuff would screw it up.
[09:06] <volvoguy> do you mostly do stuff on OU's campus?
[09:06] <whiprush> ya
[09:06] <whiprush> we're doing lots of linux stuff now
[09:06] <volvoguy> cool.
[09:06] <whiprush> my hope is that the U will fund a group to go to every ubuntu conference.
[09:06] <volvoguy> can you get me some scholarships?
[09:06] <volvoguy> :)
[09:06] <whiprush> :p I wish
[09:07] <whiprush> I'm thinking in the short term that we should link up and Do Great Things(tm)
[09:07] <whiprush> and things like sponsorship end up taking care of themselves.
[09:07] <volvoguy> this workers comp stuff is a bunch of BS. before the surgery decision yesterday they were planning on handing me over to a vocational counselor to decide what jobs i could do with major pain and addicted to narcotics. yeah... right.
[09:08] <whiprush> hey so you think you're healthy enough to meet sometime this week?
[09:08] <klepas> whoa.
[09:08] <whiprush> I'm flexible to whatever needs you have
[09:08] <volvoguy> it might have to be a last-minute-play-it-by-ear kinda thing, but i'm sure i could manage something this week.
[09:09] <whiprush> rocking.
[09:09] <whiprush> we have lots to discuss.
[09:09] <volvoguy> klepas, yeah... i don't think i'd even want to work for the company that would hire me in this condition.
[09:09] <whiprush> maybe find you some work that doesn't screw you over. :p
[09:10] <volvoguy> hey, if someone could help me beat this laptop into shape, i'd be happy.
[09:10] <whiprush> volvoguy: I'm basically stuck at work for most of the time with the semester just starting, so just im or mail me and I'll round up the local ubuntu crew to wherever you want to meet.
[09:10] <klepas> volvoguy: for an idea of the sort of art I enjoy doing, and would like to do for Ubuntu (taking in mind their nice colour palette) see this - http://wombat.nuxified.com/work
[09:10] <whiprush> as long as they have beer.
[09:10] <klepas> lol :-)
[09:11] <volvoguy> beer and narcotics are a nice mix. as long as you drive. ;)
[09:11] <whiprush> we can arrange drives
[09:11] <whiprush> that's the best part. :p
[09:11] <volvoguy> klepas, nice stuff! i dig the earthy tones. :)
[09:11] <klepas> yea
[09:12] <klepas> I actually use Suse and KDE the most
[09:12] <volvoguy> whiprush, where's the best place to IM you?
[09:12] <klepas> being the system I was first introduced to, have learned to hack somewhat and yea
[09:12] <klepas> but I love Ubuntu
[09:12] <klepas> :-)
[09:13] <volvoguy> klepas, when the art website opens, there will be a dedicated section for kubuntu. the best of both worlds. :)
[09:13] <whiprush> volvoguy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for gtalk or whiprush on aim
[09:13] <whiprush><EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for mail
[09:13] <klepas> hehe
[09:13] <klepas> nice
[09:13] <klepas> but I love gnome too
[09:13] <klepas> Ubuntu would be the system of choice for a laptop
[09:14] <klepas> whenever I get one
[09:14] <volvoguy> whiprush, added ya on AIM. I'm awaite32 there.
[09:14] <klepas> :-)
[09:14] <whiprush> okey
[09:14] <whiprush> man dude, suse.
[09:14] <whiprush> it's like they try to turn off gnome users on purpose.
[09:14] <klepas> I like my Suse box.
[09:14] <klepas> Howcome?
[09:14] <whiprush> the desktop is just not put together well
[09:14] <klepas> Suse's Gnome has a lot of cool features
[09:14] <whiprush> none of the icons match
[09:14] <whiprush> the menus are a mess
[09:14] <volvoguy> Suse used to be really gnome-centric didn't it?
[09:15] <klepas> and they are trying to get Ximian on Suse
[09:15] <klepas> vovloguy: yea, years back though
[09:15] <volvoguy> i actually BOUGHT SuSE Pro about a week before the Warty preview came out. doh!
[09:15] <klepas> lol
[09:15] <whiprush> heh
[09:15] <klepas> what version?
[09:15] <klepas> 9.3?
[09:15] <klepas> :D
[09:16] <volvoguy> ummm. (looks for box propping up the printer)
[09:16] <whiprush> volvoguy: we're a suse mirror now too, opensuse.secs.oakland.edu
[09:16] <klepas> cool
[09:16] <klepas> yea, opensuse is just sweet
[09:17] <volvoguy> i forget. it was the first release after the novell buyout.
[09:17] <klepas> the release date for Suse 10 (yep, from 9.3 to 10.0!! :-D ) has been moved closer by weeks at a time due to the massive input by the opensuse project
[09:17] <klepas> ah, 9.2 if I recall correctly
[09:17] <volvoguy> wow. you mean opensource works?! hehe.
[09:17] <whiprush> heading to bed
[09:17] <whiprush> nite guys
[09:17] <volvoguy> ok. catch you soon whiprush!
[09:18] <whiprush> ok
[09:18] <whiprush> hope to meet you soon!
[09:18] <volvoguy> ditto.
[09:18] <volvoguy> yeah. 9.2 sounds about right.
[09:18] <klepas> nn whiprush :-)
[09:19] <volvoguy> it took them so long to deliver it that they upgraded me from standard to pro... but by the time it got here i was already using Ubuntu and I never even installed it.
[09:20] <volvoguy> but it's all good. i've been using linux for almost ten years, so it was about time they got a little money from me. :)
[09:21] <volvoguy> yeah... i definitely like your color schemes klepas.
[09:22] <klepas> hehe
[09:22] <klepas> yea
[09:22] <klepas> we usually purchase every major release
[09:22] <klepas> 8.x, 9.x
[09:23] <volvoguy> i remember installing slackware entirely from floppies. man i feel old.
[09:23] <klepas> whoa!
[09:23] <klepas> hey, just a quick question
[09:24] <volvoguy> sure.
[09:24] <klepas> I've got a friend on the line who knows his fair share of PHP and MySQL etc.
[09:24] <klepas> I asked him whether he was interested in helping out on art.ubuntu.com
[09:24] <klepas> he just wants to know how much there is to do
[09:24] <klepas> and if he could do only a bit
[09:24] <klepas> [if there was heaps[
[09:25] <volvoguy> well, i don't have access to the server directly yet myself, so i haven't seen the damage yet. the "definitely not live" site is sitting here right now - http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[09:26] <klepas> yup
[09:27] <volvoguy> from what i've heard, submissions aren't actually making it to the database yet, and therefore don't get displayed anywhere.
[09:27] <klepas> I've got to run
[09:27] <klepas> sadly
[09:27] <klepas> gave my friend the url
[09:27] <klepas> he'll have a look
[09:28] <volvoguy> ok. i'm going to try to be around quite a bit this weekend. we'll talk soon.
[09:28] <klepas> sure
[09:28] <klepas> I intend to check back
[09:28] <klepas> thanks again
[09:28] <klepas> expect a reply on the mailing list soon
[09:28] <klepas> and by Sunday I hope to have done a splash screen image
[09:28] <klepas> or 2
[09:28] <klepas> :-)
[09:29] <volvoguy> excellent! check the archives too.... someone submitted a pretty cool GDM spash concept.
[09:30] <klepas> yea, saw that
[09:30] <klepas> it look awesome
[09:30] <klepas> I might build on from it
[09:30] <volvoguy> cool.
[09:30] <klepas> any idea where I can get the source for that file?
[09:30] <klepas> (gimp xcf for eg.)
[09:30] <volvoguy> ask on the list. i don't know if the author is sharing yet.
[09:31] <klepas> yup
[09:31] <klepas> anyhoo
[09:31] <volvoguy> we need to get a good bootsplash going too. the current one is frightening.
[09:31] <klepas> thanks and kudos
[09:32] <klepas> agreed!
[09:32] <volvoguy> no problem!
[09:32] <klepas> :-)


[00:55] <dontdont> I'm setting up an Ubuntu 12.04 home server for learning purposes and to tinker around with. I only have (1) 2TB HDD and would like to eventually add a second disk for a RAID config. Can this be done?
[12:17] <diazepamkit> foo joins


[00:07] <brousch> rick_h__: do you listen to python411?
[00:07] <rick_h_droid> no, tried a couple and didn't like it
[00:08] <brousch> he is looking for guest podcasts
[00:08] <brousch> maybe even someone to take it over
[00:08] <rick_h_droid> ? interviews you mean?
[00:09] <rick_h_droid> oh, more co-host thing
[00:09] <brousch> guest host, co-host
[00:09] <brousch> he is too busy
[00:09] <brousch> http://www.awaretek.com/python/
[00:09] <brousch> "Software is not magic" podcast, that stuff is in the first 10mins or so
[00:10] <brousch> i have no idea why, but i think he has a lot of listeners. it might be a good way to spread the lococast word if nothing else
[00:24] <rick_h_droid> cool, thanks. I'll check it out
[00:50] <brousch> android 1.5 is too old. gonna try one of the 2.x roms
[01:38] <_stink__> snap-l: haha, that download page is great.  did you ever decide on one?
[01:40] <snap-l> _stink__: Yeah, I did, and it still didn't work for what I wanted it to do
[01:40] <snap-l> apparently I'm not brain-damaged enough to use Eclipse
[01:41] <snap-l> I want to know what Eclipse Classic is. That's got to be pretty much useless
[01:43] <_stink__> haha
[01:43] <_stink__> maybe it's for the Atari.
[01:54] <tjagoda> Ahoy
[01:54] <tjagoda> I have hopped onto 11.04
[01:54] <tjagoda> and Unity has only crashed twice!
[02:44] <nixternal> LETS GO HAWKS!
[02:44] <tjagoda> \o/
[02:46] <rick_h__> brousch: hmm, interesting. I'll have to see what I can come up with. Don't want to take it over, but wonder if he'd want to dual publish or something
[02:47] <rick_h__> I wish I had some insight into how popular/not his user base is
[02:48] <tjagoda> hmm
[02:48] <tjagoda> Unity seems to crash a lot
[02:50] <rick_h__> make sure to file then
[02:50] <rick_h__> they couldn't get it to crash much at the jam
[02:50] <tjagoda> I was wrong
[02:50] <rick_h__> and they were looking for crashers
[02:50] <tjagoda> compiz crashes
[02:50] <tjagoda> Then freezes unity for a few seconds until it can recover
[14:07] <rick_h__> ok, wow, this feels a bit different
[14:08] <rick_h__> got my new keyboard in. yay
[14:08] <rick_h__> very strange sounding
[14:24] <jrwren> what kind?
[15:54] <rick_h__> jrwren: http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200rcab
[15:54] <rick_h__> krondor: dood, your network hates you
[16:25] <jrwren> rick_h__: that looks so much like the dell KB on my desk at work that I'd be afraid its the same thing.
[16:25] <jrwren> oh, except the lack of 10key
[16:25] <rick_h__> heh note quite
[16:25] <jrwren> looks sweet.
[16:25] <jrwren> does it have a numlock like a laptop KB though?
[16:26] <rick_h__> http://elitekeyboards.com/support.php#1
[16:26] <rick_h__> doesn't look like it
[16:26] <jrwren> what does nkey rollover mean?
[16:27] <rick_h__> This means that each key is scanned completely independently by the keyboard hardware, so that each keypress is correctly detected regardless of how many other keys are being pressed or held down at the time.
[16:27] <rick_h__> copied/pastecx
[16:27] <rick_h__> pasted
[16:28] <rick_h__> basically means you can do more simultaneous keypresses without issues
[16:28] <jrwren> rick_h__: yes, mech KB are awesome. I still have 2 focus 2001's that are PCAT style. I had been wiring them to ATX manually myself :(
[16:28] <rick_h__> this keyboard has teh MX blue switches in there
[16:28] <rick_h__> so my first try at the cherry MX switches
[16:28] <rick_h__> wanted to compare against the model M spring buckle
[16:28] <jrwren> focus 2001 is spring buckle style.
[16:29] <jrwren> although I've used the switches kind
[16:29] <rick_h__> and while I love the small size of the happy hacker, it moved the backspace and \ keys around
[16:29] <rick_h__> which messed me up
[16:29] <rick_h__> so this is small form factor, mechanical, without moving keys around
[16:29] <jrwren> focus 2001 had that for a while.
[16:29] <rick_h__> http://www.geekstuff4u.com/catalog/product/gallery/id/47/image/521/
[16:30] <jrwren> err, no, focus 2001 never moved backspace, but \ was right of right shift
[16:30] <rick_h__> see the delete below the \ and ~ and such
[16:30] <jrwren> yes, that is terrible.
[16:30] <jrwren> there is no excuse for that.
[16:30] <rick_h__> I could get used to it, but every other keyboard doesn't do it
[16:30] <rick_h__> and I use | and ~ a lot since I'm so terminal happy
[16:31] <jrwren> dito.
[16:31] <jrwren> err, ditto
[16:31] <rick_h__> so yea, this new one is a nice middle hopefully
[16:31] <jrwren> that lack of t may have been a membrane error :)
[16:31] <rick_h__> little bit bigger, get F keys and such, but still smaller and mechanical
[16:31] <rick_h__> heh
[16:31] <jrwren> $99 is steep though.
[16:31] <jrwren> i should rewire a 2001 for this desktop PC I'm using.
[16:32] <rick_h__> yea, but I convinced myself it was better than trying the topre switches
[16:32] <rick_h__> cheapest keyboard using those is $265
[16:32] <jrwren> $99 is worth it for as much as any of us type.
[16:32] <rick_h__> that's what I say. It's a real difference.
[16:32] <jrwren> its just all of my monthly discressionary spending :)
[16:32] <rick_h__> yea, well fortunately I can only use a couple of keyboards at a time
[16:32] <rick_h__> so not often I get more than a couple a year
[16:33] <jrwren> i made a huge mistake of buying cheap wireless MS shit.
[16:33] <jrwren> then i was at the MS store a few months ago. all of thier KB are shit.
[16:33] <rick_h__> yea, gone downhill
[16:33] <jrwren> http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Focus-FK-2001-Vintage-Mechanical-Keyboard-/150557678612
[16:33] <jrwren> someone got a deal.
[16:33] <rick_h__> you can't get a decent keyboard in a store any more
[16:34] <rick_h__> I got their ms4000 or whatever
[16:34] <rick_h__> loved the layout, but the keys were just sponge crap
[16:34] <rick_h__> couldn't keep typos away for a single sentence
[16:34] <jrwren> wireless comfort key 4000?  that is what I'm on right now. it is terrible.
[16:34] <jrwren> and the mouse that came with it is the lowest res least acurate optical mouse I've ever used.
[16:34] <rick_h__> I got the wired, I'm anti wireless with input devices
[16:35] <rick_h__> I don't care how quick it 'wakes up' there's always lag/etc
[16:35] <jrwren> yup
[16:37] <rick_h__> but yea, I've got some model M replica spring ones, this cherry mx, and the happy hacker which is ok, but that delete key issue :/
[16:37] <rick_h__> jrwren: if you need I've got some old MS naturals around
[16:38] <rick_h__> not mechanical, but were a decent keyboard from them
[18:23] <snap-l> Howdy
[18:23] <snap-l> JoDee bought a new phone
[18:24] <snap-l> HTC Thunderbolt w/ Verizon
[18:25] <waldo323_> sweet!
[18:28] <snap-l> Yeah, it's nice
[18:36] <snap-l> She's wandering around the house with her nose in the phone. :)
[18:45] <greg-g> jcastro: yo, I didn't get out of dinner until midnight, so I just went home :/
[19:55] <snap-l> rick_h__: http://www.sherlockian.net/acd/copyright.html
[19:56] <snap-l> rick_h__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft#Copyright
[20:11] <rick_h__> snap-l: heh, now your house can be iPhone vs Droid!
[20:14] <snap-l> Yeah yeah
[20:15] <snap-l> Though I have to say I like the Android
[20:16] <greg-g> I see someone is doing show notes?
[20:17] <snap-l> Um, yeah... :)
[20:17] <greg-g> ;)
[20:43] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/05/app-gives-htc-thunderbolt-an-lte-on-off-switch/
[20:44] <snap-l> heh, that's awesome. :)
[20:45] <rick_h__> yea, the 4g phones drain battery when they're setup for it. So if you don't need the speed, better to save it
[20:50] <jcastro> greg-g: heh no worries, we were so stuffed from chophouse that we got sleepy
[21:45] <rick_h__> can anyone test: http://rick.bmark.us/recent curious if the dns is updated/site working ok
[21:45] <rick_h__> should show two bookmarks for today
[21:46] <rick_h__> the 9th
[23:29] <snap-l> rick_h__: It's working
[23:29] <rick_h_droid> cool, thanks


[15:20] <cyphermox> CarlFK: fwiw, indeed that was most likely the issue -- http_proxy on the kernel command-line doesn't exist, or at least isn't parsed by preseed as a valid preseed value, it needs to be set as mirror/http/proxy=
[15:20] <cyphermox> so, thanks :)
[15:20] <CarlFK> woot, I helped.