[11:04] <mpt> Just completed "About This Phone" design: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#Phone
[11:34] <xnox> mpt: we may want two version numbers / lines in the "OS" field. As we currently have a combination of UbuntuOS and AndroidCore version numbers and we will be updating those independently.
[11:34] <xnox> E.g. Ubuntu phone 13.05 / Android 4.1.2
[11:36] <mpt> xnox, ok, if it turns out we do need that, please get it added to the requirements. :-)
[11:37] <xnox> mpt: which/where/what requirements? =)
[11:39] <mpt> xnox, the PRD
[12:24] <xnox> mpt: seems like we are planning to encode android version in the "phone os" version string.
[12:25] <xnox> thus one string is sufficient.
[12:28] <mpt> ok
[15:44] <mpt> Just completed initial design for "Location" settings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location#Phone
[15:47] <xnox> "when off" - what off? location detection or wifi?
[15:48] <xnox> "Disable to save battery"?
[15:51] <mpt> xnox, why would you think it was wi-fi?
[15:54] <xnox> mpt: It was the only and last thing to be mentioned as off. Maybe I'm just not a native speaker.....
[15:55] <jedidiah> xnox: Ah you mean turning off getting location data from wifi?
[15:56] <mpt> xnox, like many captions (and like this sentence I'm writing now), each sentence is a predicate where the subject is implied. It's the same subject in both cases. Assuming a different subject for each sentence would take some work. :-)
[15:56] <jedidiah> Can you enable/disable GPS and WiFi location separately?
[15:56] <xnox> wifi (currently off) and gps do foo. When off (... wifi?!), gps turns off as well.
[15:56] <mpt> (Actually, ignore that first parenthesis. It was correct when I started writing...)
[15:57] <mpt> jedidiah, not at the moment. Can you think of a use case for that?
[15:59] <jedidiah> mpt: I used to do it because I moved house and took my router with me so my Android would set my location as the other side of the country as that is where the Google street view car scanned it. But I really don't think that will be a very common use.
[16:01] <xnox> mpt: that second part is wrong. If one disabled "location detection" (via all methods) it saves power via any means. E.g. if I have wifi on & location detection off, I save power as I don't need to poll/check all wifi-access points visible in the range and constantly query the internet databases as to where in the world i can see that set of access points.
[16:01] <xnox> and I do not have GPS chip.
[16:02] <mpt> Urgh, phones without GPS? My head hurts.
[16:02] <xnox> constantly scanning available wifi hotspots & quering location drains battery when one is up and about.
[16:03] <xnox> mpt: second sentance should be: "Disable location detection to save battery". The first one which tells available/used methods to detect location is good.
[16:11] <mpt> Oh yes, that is much simpler. :-)
[16:13] <mpt> Fixed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location?action=diff&rev2=3&rev1=2
[16:18] <mpt> Thanks xnox
[16:19] <mpt> jedidiah, that seems like just a bug to me ... If the GPS shows that you're nowhere near where the wi-fi DB thinks you are, the wi-fi DB should be ignored
[16:20] <jedidiah> mpt: That would certainly make sense :)
[16:24] <xnox> mpt: well, generally use the best reliable source as possible - but if one only has one available then that's where it's gonna think you are. People spoof GPS signal and shield their phones to "win" points on four-square, ingress and other location based games.
[16:24] <mpt> Hah, and meanwhile ted is lobbying me to have a "Lie about my location" setting


[00:17] <jonpackard> crimsun: Thanks again! My firefox has been rock solid since you helped me install the Flash beta. Those random crashes were driving me nuts. ;-)
[01:15] <anakron> Hi
[01:15] <anakron> i need to make a question about 5-a-day
[01:15] <anakron> someone can answer it?
[01:17] <anakron> its a problem whit bazaar
[01:56] <Grantbow> anakron: I've had problems too
[01:56] <Grantbow> oops, missed him
[02:14] <nellery> what package do issues with wireless cards fit under?
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> nellery, wouldnt that depend on the card?  if no package is available for the driver/module, you may need to file either under linux or under network-manager
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> or just dont assign a package if youre really not sure i guess
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> (not like i should be telling you how to triage bugs)
[08:04] <AlmightyCthulhu> bug 252486
[08:06]  * Rocket2DMn doesnt use evolution
[08:07] <AlmightyCthulhu> meh, I just turned off spam filtering
[08:07] <AlmightyCthulhu> I noticed nobody had reported this
[08:07] <AlmightyCthulhu> so why not? :P
[08:07] <Hobbsee> no one else uses evolution?
[08:07] <Rocket2DMn> maybe its just a problem with your computer
[08:07] <AlmightyCthulhu> doubtful
[08:07] <Rocket2DMn> otherwise its possible any bug reported for it was invalidated
[08:08] <AlmightyCthulhu> it's a bug alright, I have the latest intrepid packages too
[08:08] <Rocket2DMn> does it only happen in intrepid?
[08:08] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'm assuming so
[08:08] <Rocket2DMn> ah, i think its best to tag intrepid bugs with [Intrepid] at the beginning of the bug title
[08:08] <AlmightyCthulhu> it complains about an error in libpango
[08:09] <Rocket2DMn> ooo that rings a bell, i thought i saw a bug on that earlier
[08:10] <AlmightyCthulhu> bug 252486
[08:10] <Rocket2DMn> groovy
[08:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bugs?field.searchtext=intrepid+evolution&search=Search
[08:11] <AlmightyCthulhu> not a dupe either
[08:12] <Rocket2DMn> well hopefully somebody can confirm it
[08:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> I'm sure they can
[08:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> of course if libpango gets updated
[08:12] <AlmightyCthulhu> this may just go away
[08:14] <Rocket2DMn> they may be releasing one b/c of some problem it was having with FF3.01
[08:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> I've ran into that too
[08:15] <AlmightyCthulhu> but it didn't leave any log of crashing
[08:16] <AlmightyCthulhu> so I didn't really know how to report it
[08:16] <Rocket2DMn> you would probably have to get a stack trace and all that good stuff
[08:28] <pwnguin> do we have a way to search LP for stuff like "bugs with logs that also contain the string $foo"?
[08:38] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: you can search for things with attachments and strings, i think.
[08:43] <pwnguin> interesting; my LP cookie expired, and i get a message that im not a maintainer so i cant change the status
[08:43] <pwnguin> is that new?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: no
[08:44] <Hobbsee> random people who aren'nt logged in can't change the status.
[08:44] <pwnguin> then how do people mark their own bugs confirmed anymore?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> ^
[08:45] <pwnguin> You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of wacom-tools (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: are you logged in?
[08:45] <pwnguin> no, thats kinda the point im bringing up
[08:45] <pwnguin> what you explained and what LP says aren't quite the same
[08:45] <Hobbsee> as for how people mark their own bugs confirmed....*they are logged in at the time*.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> you are not, and thus, can do *no* edits at all.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> although the error message isn't quite clear, i admit - it shoudl be saying "you are not logged into launchpad, therefore cannot edit this bug's status"
[08:46] <Hobbsee> or something
[08:47] <Hobbsee> i think i'm missing your question, or you're asking something very strange.
[08:48] <pwnguin> well, i was just wondering when we started having maintainers
[08:48] <Hobbsee> when they put in the access control for importances.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> i tihnk that's what hte message is supposed to be for, but it's mutilated for those who aren't logged in
[09:07] <Hobbsee> !info libltdl3
[11:26] <seb128> whoever is telling to users that they should specify the ubuntu version they are using in the title could you stop doing that?
[12:49] <pwnguin> i think its just a meme; you see it a few places and it looks useful
[14:05] <anakron> Hi
[14:05] <anakron> someone can help me with 5-a-day update?
[14:31] <bddebian> Boo
[14:33] <james_w> hi bddebian
[14:33] <bddebian> Hi james_w
[16:56] <gauthierm> seb128: For Bug #210917, can you outline how I would get started backporting the fix? I'm unsure the correct way to get the package source and to build+test.
[16:57] <seb128> gauthierm: get the corresponding change, apply to the hardy package, follow the sru process as documented on the wiki, subscribe the sponsor team to get the update uploaded
[16:57] <gauthierm> Where's the wiki and how do I subscribe the sponser team?
[16:58] <seb128> try #ubuntu-motu for questions on how to start
[16:58] <gauthierm> will do, thanks
[16:59] <seb128> you're welcome, thank you for working on the update ;-)


[07:23] <Fishers> they think im connecting from proxy in #ubuntu
[07:23] <Fishers> arg
[07:24] <holstein> they?
[07:25] <holstein> Fishers: whats up?
[07:25] <Fishers> im on comcast an they think im on a proxy'
[07:25] <Fishers> lol
[07:25] <holstein> is that a problem?
[07:26] <Fishers> anyhow, i read out to enable desktop cube with unity an it broke my unity
[07:26] <Fishers> i tried restore commands, reinstalled unity no luck
[07:26] <holstein> ubuntustudio doesnt use unity
[07:27] <Fishers> gnome 2 or 3?
[07:27] <holstein> i usually suggest *not* using compiz when doing multimedia anyways
[07:27] <holstein> we have gnome 2 right now
[07:27] <Fishers> o
[07:27] <holstein> then, next cycle go to XFCE
[07:27] <Fishers> i see
[07:28] <holstein> AFAIK, you cant do much customization yet with unity
[07:28] <Fishers> whats the freenode oper help chan
[07:28] <holstein>  #freenode ??
[07:28] <Fishers> with comfity you can actually
[07:28] <Fishers> o ty
[07:28] <holstein> what im suggesting is
[07:28] <holstein> if you wait a cycle of 2
[07:28] <holstein> you'll be able to do it
[07:29] <holstein> without hacking
[07:29] <holstein> stable
[07:29] <holstein> and easy
[07:29] <Fishers> yea it will be backported or whatever
[07:29] <holstein> i mean, why spend a lot of time tweaking unity to look like gnome 2
[07:29] <holstein> when gnome 2 is still around
[07:29] <Fishers> i dont
[07:30] <Fishers> also, i still can run gnome-panel with unity
[07:30] <holstein> sure, and again.. why?
[07:30] <holstein> why not just run gnome?
[07:31] <Fishers> could with ubuntu classic mode login
[07:31] <holstein> right
[07:31] <holstein> thats gnome*
[07:31] <holstein> gnome2 pretty much
[07:31] <Fishers> but i got the best of both
[07:32] <Fishers> but really i think gnom 3 is comming for 11.10
[07:32] <holstein> you dont have to think
[07:32] <Fishers> is?
[07:32] <holstein> gnome2 is out, and gnome3 is replacing it
[07:32] <holstein> unity will still be default though
[07:32] <Fishers> will be able to login with either unity or gnome3
[07:33] <holstein> Fishers: unity will be default
[07:33] <holstein> you can always install gnome3
[07:33] <Fishers> y
[07:33] <holstein> and select at login
[07:33] <Fishers> 3 breaks unity, but in the  next release it wont prob
[07:33] <holstein> yeah, its not going to be probably
[07:34] <holstein> they'll sort all that out
[07:34] <holstein> gnome3 will be in the repos
[07:34] <holstein> gnome2 is gone
[07:34] <Fishers> y
[07:34] <Fishers> am not
[07:34] <Fishers> wrong chan
[10:41] <Fouko> hello
[10:43] <AutoStatic> Hello Fouko
[10:44] <Fouko> i work today with Adobe Production Suite, is it possible to have the same thing with UbuntuStudio ?
[10:44] <Fouko> my favorit apps are Premiere pro and after effects
[10:46] <AutoStatic> No, not possible
[10:47] <Fouko> but there are apps like Premiere Pro and After effects on UbuntuStudio ?
[10:47] <AutoStatic> No
[10:48] <AutoStatic> Well, there are alternatives
[10:48] <AutoStatic> But they don't compare well to the Adobe stuff
[10:48] <AutoStatic> Software like kdenlive, Blender
[10:48] <Fouko> cinelerra ?
[10:49] <AutoStatic> Maybe, from what I've heard it is quite buggy
[10:50] <AutoStatic> And it is has a learning curve that is somewaht steeper than Premiere
[10:50] <Fouko> GIMP, Blender, Inkscape are really good apps
[10:50] <AutoStatic> But I'm no NLE/vide FX expert ;)
[10:50] <AutoStatic> Yes they are
[10:50] <AutoStatic> But those are all no NLE's like Premiere
[10:50] <Fouko> but there is not alternative for premiere or after effects
[10:51] <AutoStatic> There are alternatives but they're simply not up to par with premiere or After Effects
[10:51] <AutoStatic> You could take a look at kdenlive, atm I think it is the superior NLE
[10:52] <Fouko> is there node base compositing apps like NUKE ?
[10:54] <AutoStatic> Wouldn't know, never heard of it. Maybe someone else could tell. Don't think so.
[10:54] <AutoStatic> Video editing on Linux is a bit behind
[10:55] <Fouko> yes for audio or graph every things are here
[10:55] <Fouko> but for video ...
[10:57] <AutoStatic> It's simply a huge task, writing, coding and maintaining video software
[10:57] <Fouko> people do this for Blender and it's a really good apps
[10:57] <Fouko> in some way better than others
[10:57] <AutoStatic> Blender has a unique community/business model
[11:07] <Fouko> ok I'll come later
[16:51]  * saidinesh5 waves at holstein.....
[16:53] <holstein> saidinesh5: o/ :)
[21:59] <s_p_or_t_o> so, would everyone recommend studio on a lappy used for about 50% studio and 50% general use or should i stick with vanilla?
[22:11] <holstein> s_p_or_t_o: it literally doesnt matter
[22:11] <holstein> what i dont suggest is feeling like you *need* to dual boot
[22:11] <holstein> OR, reinstalling to aquire ubuntustudio
[22:11] <holstein> with laptops, i usually do vanilla with -generic kernel
[22:12] <holstein> sometimes i do a type of dual-booting with different kernels as needed
[22:12] <orngjce223> I'm running the lowlatency kernel on an Aspire One and get about four and a half hours of battery, it's pretty good
[22:12] <holstein> i also like to see a live CD running on the hardware before installing
[22:13] <holstein> yeah, the -lowlatency is a nice compromise
[22:14] <s_p_or_t_o> i have vanilla 10.10 on it now so i was planning a clean install either way, i'm trying to figure out what tho lol. it has most of the apps pieced together and i like the though of the studio kernel ^_^
[22:15]  * s_p_or_t_o looks at website for low lat kernel
[22:16] <holstein> s_p_or_t_o: there is no studio kernel
[22:16] <holstein> i say, by the time 12.04 releases, we wont need a different kernel
[22:16] <holstein> IF you need lower latency, or have xruns, then i suggest you try -lowlatency
[22:16] <holstein> THEN, if that doesnt work as expected, try -realtime
[22:17] <holstein> i actually have one USB device that performs signifacantly better with the -generic kernel
[22:17] <holstein> hopefully, we will have the -lowlatency kernel as the default kernel in ubuntustudio 11.10
[22:18] <holstein> BUT, assuming we *do* get that pushed into the default repos, it will be as easy as sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[22:18] <s_p_or_t_o> that would be sweet
[22:19] <holstein> well what would be sweet is just to have one kernel
[22:19] <holstein> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel for example **


[01:58] <MutantTurkey> please worship me
[01:59] <MutantTurkey> I have fixed a process from 7 hours to now 18.75 minute
[01:59] <MutantTurkey> while rewriting the cod
[01:59] <MutantTurkey> now it uses multiple threads to handle the issues, doesn't have a ridiculously bad naming or code style convention
[01:59] <MutantTurkey> actually is readable
[01:59] <MutantTurkey> doesn't write a  variable to a temp file and then back into another variable anymore...
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> I AM A MONSTER
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> a awesome kind of one
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> like
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> a boss
[02:51] <Irishmanluke> nice
[02:57] <MutantTurkey> what's the difference between sys and user time?
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> on our cluster real    0m1.447s user    0m0.760s sys     0m0.630s
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> on my laptop : real    0m1.162s user    0m0.828s sys     0m0.012s
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> I mean this thing this is supposed to be fast
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2378
[02:58] <MutantTurkey> this is a i5 laptop
[02:59] <MutantTurkey> but there is a high amount of sys time
[02:59] <MutantTurkey> on the 'cluster'
[02:59] <MutantTurkey> would that be because it might be accessing disks over the network?
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> yippie fixed
[03:09] <Irishmanluke> so I guess the total user time is based on the number of cylces spent executing instructions while the sys time is based on the number of cycles spent executing syscalls for the program, and the real time is actually how long it took
[03:09] <Irishmanluke> so sys time and user time are completely different
[03:10] <Irishmanluke> and they both would aggregate time spent if something was executed in parallel
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> sys time is like fs calls?
[03:28] <MutantTurkey> Irishmanluke: yeah read/writes are system time
[05:02] <andrew> What's this about monday?
[05:22] <InHisName> you have a geeknic happening on Monday 28th 2pm - ??
[09:46] <rmg51> Morning
[10:18] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:30] <rmg51> o/
[13:30] <JonathanD> GEEKNIC.
[13:46] <rmg51> NONIC for me
[14:01]  * jedijf either work....
[14:04]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> Who is an expert at custom .xinitrc files?
[14:18] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: arch wiki
[14:22] <Joe_CoT> JonathanD, I apparently do have off memorial day
[14:22] <JonathanD> Joe_CoT: see you there?
[14:22] <JonathanD> It's InHisName's deal so let him know.
[14:23] <Joe_CoT> maybe
[14:23] <Joe_CoT> I'll have to see if my family's doing anything
[14:23] <JonathanD> Joe_CoT: your family is going to geeknic.
[14:23] <JonathanD> Make it happen!
[14:24] <Joe_CoT> lol
[14:24] <JonathanD> Joe_CoT: you coming to fosscon?
[14:29] <Joe_CoT> probably not
[14:29] <Joe_CoT> I stepped back from most of the open source stuff
[14:30] <Joe_CoT> I still run Ubuntu, I'll sometimes tell people Ubuntu's cool and help them with it if they ask, that's .... about it. I don't promote, I don't develop
[14:30] <JonathanD> bah
[14:30] <JonathanD> Shameful :p
[15:02] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: why does archwiki have all the good information?
[16:16] <jedijf> but why mommy
[16:16] <jedijf> are we there yet
[16:16] <jedijf> is this ubu romper room?
[16:18] <MutantTurkey> what
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> i suck at scripting
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> is there a good way to exectute one command on 8 different servers, and as each one exists launch another one?
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> That sounds like a virus
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> How is that different from using ssh to remotely execute commands from a batch file MutantTurkey ?
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> s/batch file/shell script/
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> :-)
[17:01] <ChinnoDog> If I ever go to UDS I'm going to wear a Microsoft t-shirt
[17:05] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I vaguely remember Gaylord mentioning something like that for his clusters.
[17:05] <waltman> Also you should ask the guys in your lab, because they do that sort of stuff all the time.
[17:05] <MutantTurkey> nobody is around lately
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> and only ling uses it afaik
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yeah he mentioned somrthing yesterday called "torque"
[17:06] <waltman> Lou and Steve were around this morning
[17:06] <waltman> yeah, that might be what I was thinking of
[17:07] <MutantTurkey> looks way overkill
[17:07] <MutantTurkey> that's the problem these solutions are too much setting up
[17:07] <MutantTurkey> the point is to save time :-)
[17:08] <MutantTurkey> I think i can do it with the parallel process
[17:08] <waltman> gaylord and his minions made torque sound easy
[17:09] <waltman> So your plan to "save time" is to spend 20 minutes on irc asking people, and when you don't like the solutions to write your own when there's already a way to do it that your syadmin supports?
[17:10] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[17:10] <MutantTurkey> yes
[17:11] <waltman> There's a guy named Jon who works for Gaylord. I think he may have already written some scripts to automate stuff.
[17:12] <waltman> I will also reiterate that Lou and Geoff are the true experts on this, not me.
[17:13] <MutantTurkey> I mentioned this cluster to lou yesterday nd he said 'wow i didn't know that existed' lol
[17:13] <waltman> hah
[17:13] <MutantTurkey> waltman: do you hear the stampede's going on upstairs? it's ridiculous
[17:13] <waltman> he might not have been to the meeting where Gaylord and Jon talked about this, but Geoff was.
[17:14] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I never hear anything upstairs.
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> it sounds like the walls are falling off
[17:14] <waltman> hah
[17:16] <MutantTurkey> it's like really really loud sometimes
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> Why does KDE have to be so awesome? I don't want to run it, there is too much bloat.
[19:41] <ChinnoDog> But KDE apps want to install most of KDE along with them
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> KDE3 ftw
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: btw that'll be more fixed as time goes on
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> they are modularizing their libraries
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> That doesn't help me now. I installed Mint with Cinnamon into a VM yesterday. I then stupidly installed digikam from the repository and ended up installing a million things I didn't want
[19:43] <ChinnoDog> After removing digikam and running autoremove half of them were still installed so I had to hunt them down. I only hope I got them all. idk why they were still installed since synaptic showed they were not manually selected.
[19:49] <InHisName> Glad we didn't try for an evening picnic tonight.
[19:49] <JonathanD> InHisName: rain?
[19:49] <JonathanD> Does monday still look clear?
[19:50] <InHisName> Thursday's a wash, dunno about monday yet, I'm a lousy weatherman.
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> Task Juggler lost its KDE based IDE. Now it is written in Ruby and has a syntax highlighting file for vim :-\
[20:50] <InHisName> notice to all:   dress rehearsal for geeknic will not be done tonight due to to much water everywhere in the park.   (Grass is too wet, but just not underwater)
[20:50] <JonathanD> There was to be a dress rehearsal? :)
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> yeesh 20 mintes of my mom going omg omg omg
[20:59] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: why was she doing that?
[20:59] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: when i told her i got accepted to temple
[20:59] <ChinnoDog> oh. congrats
[20:59] <MutantTurkey> I always forget there is #plug and #ubuntu-us-pa and I assume they're the same so i just click randomly on each one
[20:59] <MutantTurkey> then i end up talking out of context
[20:59] <MutantTurkey> thanks
[21:06] <ChinnoDog> 5pm. What to get done...
[21:06] <ChinnoDog> I could eat lasagna and take a crack and making an .xinitrc
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> what do you guys think about apartments in the city?
[21:07] <Sadin> ChinnoDog dont have one of those :P
[21:07] <Sadin> MutantTurkey what city phil?
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> ya
[21:08] <Sadin> Im not sure i bet they are fine closer to center city
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> i might shoot for south of city hall
[21:09] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: I haven't seen any bobcats around here, no.
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> lol
[21:09] <JonathanD> Oh, sorry. Wrong channel.
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> Sadin: why don't I want one?
[21:12] <Sadin> ChinnoDog didnt you have one before?
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> see you guys later
[21:13] <Sadin> it was a question "dont have one of those?" i forgot the question mark
[21:13] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: might be in on monday
[21:13] <Sadin> mater MutantTurkey
[21:14] <ChinnoDog> Sadin: no, I didn't have one before. I need one because I want to launch my desktop through a remote shell and use my local window manager, and I don't want to draw a desktop. I only want gnome-panel and related stuffs.
[21:15] <Sadin> Ah
[21:15] <ChinnoDog> I am able to launch individal applications and have them open this way. I am also able to launch /etc/X11/Xsession which opens up separate windows for gnome-panel and the desktop (but the desktop is completely unmanagable like that), and I can launch gnome-panel by itself but it is corrupted and obviously needs other stuff loaded
[21:16] <Sadin> ChinnoDog yeah i just didnt know why you didnt have one before
[21:16] <ChinnoDog> When I use Xsession it uses the remote window manager so I need to put the kabosh on that. I don't want to use up resources for two window managers.
[21:17] <Sadin> my system uses the xinitrc to begin with
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> I don't get what all the pieces of the X windows system do
[21:50] <ChinnoDog> I get that the X server draws the windows and that the applications tell it what to draw
[21:51] <ChinnoDog> I don't understand what draws the menus and windowing elements or how to turn it on/off or how my X server knows to draw them using the local window manager
[21:51] <ChinnoDog> And I have no idea what metacity or other window managers do since I killed it and can't tell the difference
[21:51] <Irishmanluke> this stuff always confuses me
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> oh. No apps on my panel. Maybe that is what metacity does?
[21:52] <Irishmanluke> which part is actually talking to the graphics card
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> The X server talks to the graphics card
[21:52] <ChinnoDog> It is the only component that does.
[21:52] <Irishmanluke> through syscalls?
[21:53] <ChinnoDog> The X server running on your terminal. The terminal could be the same box everything is running on or it could be a remote terminal
[21:53] <ChinnoDog> If it is a remote terminal then the process on your linux box sends graphics commands to it over the network
[21:53] <Irishmanluke> right
[21:54] <ChinnoDog> So in this case that is what I want to do. I don't need an X server on the linux box then. I am going to run it headless
[21:54] <Irishmanluke> and whats the inteface to the x server?
[21:55] <ChinnoDog> In this case the X server is Xming running in Windows 7
[21:55] <ChinnoDog> So linux app sends commands to Xming, xming draws stuff
[21:56] <Irishmanluke> how does it send commands to xming?
[21:56] <ChinnoDog> network socket being forwarded through PuTTY
[21:56] <ChinnoDog> so, SSH session
[21:57] <Irishmanluke> but if the app were on the same system
[21:57] <ChinnoDog> If the app was on the same system it would still communicate the same way. It would connect to the socket that is assigned to the display, except that the traffic would be recieved by a process on the same system instead of across the network
[21:57] <Irishmanluke> it would connect to localhost?
[21:58] <ChinnoDog> yes
[21:58] <Irishmanluke> oh ok
[21:58] <ChinnoDog> But, there is more layers than that. If I run /etc/X11/Xsession I get all the visual styles I normally get when I log into the box
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> if I run an individual app without running Xsession then I get menus and borders drawn by Xming
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> I want them drawn by Xming. I don't want to load whatever it is that makes pretty windows in linux.
[21:59] <Irishmanluke> how does the x server communicate with the graphics card
[22:00] <ChinnoDog> the x server always runs on the same machine with the graphics card. It communicates through the OS it is on top of.
[22:00] <Irishmanluke> ok sure, but how, lets say on linux
[22:00] <ChinnoDog> Through the graphics card driver? idk what answer you are looking for.
[22:02] <Irishmanluke> how does it communicate with the driver
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> I ran pstree and still have no idea what makes pretty windows
[22:02] <ChinnoDog> direct operating system calls
[22:02] <Irishmanluke> ok, thats what I was looking for
[22:03] <Irishmanluke> what calls, on linux
[22:03] <ChinnoDog> idk. I've never written a graphics app on linux.
[22:06] <ChinnoDog> oh. Maybe gnome is doing it directly by hooking graphics library calls.
[22:06] <ChinnoDog> e.g. launch gnome, then gnome launches something, that app is directed to use gnome libraries instead of library call being send across the wire
[22:10] <ChinnoDog> I just created a version of gcalctool that is stylized by gnome and one that is stylized by windows, at the same time. I didn't think I should be able to do that.
[22:10]  * ChinnoDog scratches his head
[22:11] <ChinnoDog> When my session is running I get stylized windows even if I launch them from the command prompt I used to launch the session
[22:12] <ChinnoDog> When my session ends the stylized windows are still running but if I open a new one it is stylized by my local window manager? wtf?
[22:12] <Irishmanluke> I need to just run an app and look at what syscalls its using
[22:14] <Irishmanluke> or I could look at some code
[22:34] <ChinnoDog> I think they are inseparable. If I run gnome I get gnome everything. If I don't run gnome I save lots of overhead but I have no way to find apps
[22:38] <Irishmanluke> no way to find apps?
[22:40] <Irishmanluke> you could use the terminal to do that
[22:48] <Irishmanluke> you could just replace gnome with something lighter weight
[22:55] <ChinnoDog> nah. I'll just run it. I'm going to prevent the X server from launching automatically on the VM so I will hope that will save enough resources
[22:55] <ChinnoDog> then launch gnome through ck-launch-session gnome-session-cinnamon
[22:55] <ChinnoDog> But, I need to figure out how to prevent it from drawing the desktop in a separate window
[23:00] <Irishmanluke> if you draw something without using x server and x server is running, will it just get rid of it
[23:08] <ChinnoDog> idk what you mean by "draw something without using an x server"
[23:09] <ChinnoDog> That is like saying "paint a picture without any paint"
[23:13] <Irishmanluke> not really
[23:14] <Irishmanluke> it's like communicating with the graphics driver directly
[23:18] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Yes, you can draw direct without an X server. There is a project out there for that.
[23:20] <ChinnoDog> now I can't find it
[23:20] <ChinnoDog> It was a library for showing graphics and stuff without using X
[23:24] <jedijf> maybe you should look at how vboxheadless does it, it does pretty much what you're describing
[23:25] <jedijf> i have a server no x installed, but can start vm's that do and access remotely; albeit rdp
[23:26] <jedijf> *that do have x and full blown gui
[23:43] <ChinnoDog> I intend to run vbox headless but I don't wish to run vnc. I want full blown X server windows with 3D acceleration and everything
[23:44] <ChinnoDog> I'm going to need to either stop using ssh or disable encryption in it for blazing speed.
[23:45] <ChinnoDog> I did install hpn-ssh in the VM though
[23:50] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: vboxheadless uses rdp technically
[23:51] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Well, regardless of the protocol I don't want any. :-)
[23:52] <jedijf> ssh x forward with a panel is what you want
[23:52] <ChinnoDog> yes


[15:54] <smagoun> ogra_: Hey, when you have a chance....which specific libraries did you copy from the manta.zip to the chromebook? I'm looking at vendor/lib/egl/libGLES_mali.so. It's linked against a number of other libraries like libbinder.so. Is libGLES_mali.so the right file or do I need a different one from the nexus10?
[15:56] <ogra_> x 1 root root 1366448 Nov 10  2012 /usr/lib/libmali.so.0
[15:56] <ogra_> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1366448 Nov 10  2012 /usr/lib/libmali.so.0.0.35
[15:56] <ogra_> thats all i have in user here
[15:56] <ogra_> *use
[16:00] <smagoun> ogra_: hmm, ok. That's not in the manta.zip. Would you mind sending me that file? I have a newer version (0.0.45) that is not working
[16:02] <hrw> smagoun: you have android binaries
[16:02] <hrw> smagoun: while ogra_ has very old version of gnu/linux one
[16:02] <hrw> 0.0.45 is old too ;D
[16:02] <smagoun> hrw: yep, ogra_ told me the android binaries would work on a chromebook so I was trying that
[16:03] <hrw> ogra_: no one bother with upgrading kernel for chromebook? still 3.4.0-5 I made?
[16:03] <smagoun> hrw: I'm trying to get eGL working. I only have access to 0.0.45 right now; whenever I tried to run a program like es2_info, eglInitialize() fails
[16:04] <smagoun> hrw: I think that is true, yes. I have 3.4.0-5 on raring
[16:04] <hrw> smagoun: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2013/04/15/hardware-acceleration-on-chromebook/
[16:05] <hrw> smagoun: you do not want to know how often I get email with 'how to get opengl working on chromebook' question...
[16:06] <smagoun> hrw: that is why I did not mail you...I figured you would not want more mail. :) I pulled the chromebook-mali-driver tree from github and built that. It does not work for me
[16:07] <hrw> smagoun: because github uses 45
[16:07] <smagoun> hrw: I need 0.0.35, correct?
[16:09] <hrw> yes
[16:10] <hrw> dig deeper in 'fetch recovery image' script and you may get url to old enough image
[16:10] <smagoun> hrw: thanks. I will try to get a copy from ogra
[16:10] <hrw> you need R23 or older image
[16:10] <smagoun> hrw: I looked at the recovery image script but did not find an older link that still works
[16:11] <hrw> smagoun: I probably have a copy somewhere but my read of license did not show 'you are allowed to redistribute' part
[16:12] <smagoun> hrw: I haven't seen the license for 0.0.35, but that is good to know - thank you
[16:12] <hrw> smagoun: the only licence like file you can find is generic 'Google Terms of Service'
[16:13] <smagoun> ok
[16:15] <hrw> ubuntu archive mastahs already rejected using it as a license
[16:17] <smagoun> that is probably a good choice...
[20:20] <sauerbraten> I just downloaded ubuntu server 13.04 armhf, is there a method to boot it on my pandaboard without it using the serial terminal as output, but the HDMI screen?


[01:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: indeed.  The only things i actually can do are those exposed through launchpad.  If and when they work.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh dear...
[01:21] <nixternal> :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: all you need to do is to sort your mail based on the headers - pull out the bits you want, and blackhole the rest.  works a charm.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: you around?
[03:55] <vorian> AMAROK HAS BEEN UNLEASHED!!
[03:56] <nhandler> vorian has conquered the wolf ;)
[03:56] <vorian> it did rip off my face though
[03:57] <LaserJock> ewww
[03:57] <nhandler> vorian: Do you have this week off too? Or do you go back to work now?
[03:57] <vorian> I have this week off too \o/
[03:57] <nhandler> You are lucky.   They're all broken.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:11] <ScottK> I'm actually busily patching out amarok support and such.
[04:40] <ScottK> Nightrose, apachelogger, anyone: Does pacpl work with Amarok 2/KDE4?  It claims to have been recently rewritten, but doesn't say.
[04:40] <ScottK> if someone could hunt this one down, I'm really not sure how broken it is.
[04:40] <ScottK> It may be a removal candidate.
[04:41]  * seele wonders if/when ScottK sleeps
[04:41] <seele> up late up early
[04:41] <ScottK> Come on, it's not even midnight yet.
[04:41] <nhandler> ScottK: What timezone are you in?
[04:41] <ScottK> -0500
[04:41] <ScottK> Same as seele.
[04:41] <ScottK> We actually live only about a 30 minute drive apart.
[04:42] <nhandler> I'm probably about that far from nixternal (give or take 15 minutes)
[04:42] <ScottK> nhandler: Any chance you could play with pacpl and see if it works with KDE4?
[04:43] <vorian> ScottK: pacpl looks only to be in jaunty
[04:43] <ScottK> Yes, and?
[04:43] <nhandler> ScottK: Not right now. I want to get the backports that I uploaded today building before I go to bed. Tomorrow, I'm doing the other backports. I could maybe try on Tuesday though
[04:43] <vorian> nothing...
[04:43] <ScottK> OK.  Tuesda would be great.
[04:43] <ScottK> y
[04:43] <ScottK> OK.
[04:44] <nhandler> I'll try and remember, but a reminder would be great ;)
[04:45] <ScottK> nhandler: Don't foret.
[04:45] <ScottK> forget even.
[04:46] <vorian> huh, that's odd
[04:47] <vorian> amarok built in my ppa with zero problems. now in the archives it says, Dependencey wait.
[04:47] <vorian> i wonder what the difference is
[04:48] <Hobbsee> what's it waiting on?
[04:48] <vorian> i'm looking now
[04:49]  * ScottK looks too
[04:49] <vorian> libmp4v2-dev
[04:53] <ScottK> vorian: That's in multiverse
[04:54] <ScottK> Since amarok is in Universe, it doesn't see it on the official buildds
[04:54] <ScottK> vorian: Whatever caused you to add that you need to make it go away.
[04:54] <vorian> it's just going to be missing a feature
[04:54] <ScottK> OK.  It'll have to be missed then.
[04:55] <vorian> roger that
[04:56] <vorian> and away
[05:00] <vorian> don't know how i missed that ...
[05:00]  * vorian is redfaced
[05:01] <ScottK> vorian: It's easy enough to do
[05:01] <vorian> that's why i sent it to my ppa
[05:02] <ScottK> Don't feel bad about mistakes, feel rotten about mistakes you leave for others to clean up.
[05:02] <vorian> good point :)
[05:02] <vorian> ppa's are evil
[05:02] <LaserJock> and even then, as long as you offer then $cold_beverage usually you can get away with it
[05:02] <LaserJock> *them
[05:02] <ScottK> And dangerous (still unsigned)
[05:03]  * ScottK doesn't count "talk someone into fixing it for you" as leaving it.
[05:03] <nhandler> ScottK: They are getting signed
[05:03] <ScottK> nhandler: Yes, but not yet (at least not any I use).
[05:03] <vorian> that still doesn't mean much to me
[05:03] <vorian> anyone can sign a package, it's the person who's signing it that counts
[05:04] <ScottK> vorian: Without the signature you have zero assurance the package you downloaded from the PPA is actually from there.
[05:04] <ScottK> Google Kaminsky and DNS cache poisoning and then read until you are scared.
[05:05] <ScottK> There is no actual fix for his attack short of DNSSEC.  All the fixing that's been done has just slowed it down.
[05:05] <vorian> hmm
[05:07] <LaserJock> seems like it's taken quite some time to get signed PPAs to roll out. the announcement was sent a while ago
[05:08] <ScottK> yep.
[05:08] <nhandler> LaserJock: Someone was saying earlier that they needed to get some new hardware
[05:08] <ScottK> I consider it par for the course for Launchpad and security design.
[05:09] <LaserJock> nhandler: right, but don't you figure that out *before* you announce it?
[05:10] <nhandler> LaserJock: I would have thought so. And then, just the other day, you get Microsoft who does something very similar
[05:11] <LaserJock> I wouldn't expect "well MS does it" to be a particularly persuasive argument, but I guess that is an interesting point
[05:12]  * nhandler doesn't think it was exceptable for either of them to make that mistake
[05:16] <LaserJock> considering it took almost 1.5 years to be "Fix Released" and it's still not actually released ...
[05:17] <nhandler> Is the bug really marked fix released?
[05:19] <LaserJock> yes
[05:19] <nhandler> lol
[05:19] <nhandler> Night everyone
[05:19] <LaserJock> since 18th of December
[05:23] <ScottK> Good night.
[05:24] <ScottK> Oooh.  My first post Amarok 2 removal ....
[05:24] <Hobbsee> oh?
[05:24]  * vorian is out too™
[05:24] <vorian> awesome, so far so good on arm
[05:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: moodbar
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:27] <ScottK> Or  Bug #316262 if you prefer.
[05:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: isn't that, ummm, wrong?
[05:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: there's moodbar plasmoid
[05:40] <ScottK> Tm_T: moodbar is for amarok 1.4.
[05:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: but, there's moodbar plasmoid
[05:40] <ScottK> The plasmoid must be built from another package.
[05:41] <Tm_T> right, it's in plasma playground
[05:41]  * vorian does not spy a moodbar plasmoid on his system and goes searching
[05:51] <Tm_T> vorian: you prolly don't have it unless you have svn build from playground/base/plasma
[05:52] <vorian> i was just grabbing it Tm_T :)
[05:52] <vorian> it looks perty
[05:52] <vorian> it would be great if someone could commit a COPYING file to that branch
[07:55] <\sh> Sput: thx a lot :) at the end of the month we will have a bigger party ,-)
[10:34] <jussi01> hrm, curious.... Im getting plasma crashes at startup as well as missing plasmoids (lancelot for one) when I try reinstall lancelot I get an error - did someone break something in the experirmental repo?
[10:34] <jussi01> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:34] <jussi01>   plasmoid-lancelot: Depends: libplasma2 but it is not going to be installed
[10:34] <jussi01> E: Broken packages
[10:47] <Riddell> we use libplasma3 these days in KDE 4.2
[10:49] <fabo> danimo: no, some glitches remain: the tab especially.
[10:49] <fabo> oups, some delay in the answer ;)
[10:50] <Riddell> fabo: did I see in your commit comments that qt 4.5 can't use kdesupport phonon?
[10:52] <fabo> Riddell: not me. I have written a comment on the changelog that pusling raised. It seems there's an issue, but I didn't reached this point yet to confirm ... or not.
[11:01] <jussi01> Riddell: ahh, so someone needs to update lancelot then. wheres JontheEchidna ?
[11:45] <Nightrose> ScottK: i don't even know what that is tbh
[11:58] <doc__> hi there
[11:58] <Riddell> buenas dias doc__
[12:01] <doc__> Riddell: buenos días :)
[12:02] <Riddell> oh well, nearly right
[12:24] <davmor2> Riddell: Ktranslate let you down ;)
[12:38] <nhandler> Anyone know what is going on with the PPA lpia buildd?
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: it's part of kdeplasma-addons in 4.2
[12:48] <Riddell> davmor2: how so?
[12:49] <davmor2> Riddell: just teasing
[12:49] <Riddell> ah :)
[12:57] <vorian> morning
[13:04] <nhandler> Off to school now
[13:05] <vorian> Learn well
[13:17] <ScottK> Nightrose: OK.  Thanks.  I guess I'll spend some time to see if Google knows.
[13:30]  * Sput continues to work on predefined server lists for quassel
[13:30] <ScottK> Excellent.
[13:31] <Sput> using presets already works, now I need to hack in the default stuff :)
[13:31] <ScottK> Sput: If there's some patch I can try out to produce debugging info for that minimize problem, just let me know.
[13:31] <Sput> ScottK: sure
[13:31] <Sput> I'll tackle that in a few days I think, once I'm done with the other stuff I have on my table
[13:32] <ScottK> OK.
[13:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: The C10shell pbuilder hook is worth it's weight in gold.  I've wanted pbuilder to do that since years.
[13:49] <ScottK> Thank you very much.
[13:53]  * Nightrose wonders how much such a pbuilder hook weights and if apachelogger could make a living with them
[13:53] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:53] <vorian> meh, you killed my C10nanoshell :(
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> vorian: he merged it with the C10shell
[13:54] <vorian> i just noticed
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> export EDITOR=nano in pbuilderrc, I think
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> and bleh, openoffice without openoffice.org-kde looks like fried armpit
[13:55] <Nightrose> *lol*
[13:55] <vorian> hehe
[13:55] <Nightrose> argh @ JontheEchidna for flooding my inbox once again
[13:55] <Nightrose> do i owe you cookies?
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> sure? :P
[13:55] <Nightrose> :P
[13:55] <Nightrose> ~order cookies for JontheEchidna
[13:55]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[13:56]  * JontheEchidna has only done 23 bugs so far
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> >:}
[13:56] <Nightrose> oO
[13:56] <Nightrose> well tbh you are not the only one
[13:56] <vorian> dude
[13:56] <Nightrose> a kde guy has been doing it as well tonight
[13:56] <Nightrose> inbox -> esplode
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:57] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls
[13:58] <vorian> spammer
[13:58] <ScottK> nixternal: It's Alpha 3 release notes time (you said to ping you).
[13:58] <ScottK> nixternal: Item one is Amarok 2 in the archive, but not yet on the CD.
[14:06] <emonkey-t> nvidia-proprietary still doesn't support xorg 1.6 ABI (if I'm not wrong, I think ubuntu will have this in the issues too ...)
[14:06] <emonkey-t> ^^ (just my 2 cents for the release notes )
[14:18] <colomar> seele: Hi, anything new from the kpackagekit-front?
[14:30] <seele> colomar: i havent heard anything yet
[14:37] <agony_> hi
[14:37] <agony_> anybody running amarok 2 in jaunty ?
[14:39] <Riddell> yes
[14:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Once everything that's pending gets processed, all the Amarok 1 rdepends/recommeds/suggests are dealt with.
[14:47] <cbr> so.. today my pidgin wont connect to msn
[14:47] <cbr> meh..
[14:48] <cbr> and kopete still doesnt have msn support in jaunty
[14:48] <cbr> ownage :)
[14:48] <cbr> webmessenger @ msn's site works though
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm one upload away from time to make a decision on kdebindings for KDE3.
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: My proposal was to remove kita2 and dump bindings for KDE3.  apachelogger wants to keep them as long as they 'work' for 3rd party stuff.
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Up to you.
[14:49] <ScottK> If we go apachelogger's way, we'd make it kde3bindings.
[14:51] <siekacz> hi
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: kita?
[14:52] <ScottK> It's a japanese IM client not in Debian.
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/kita/
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I already warned the guy that packaged it a month ago it might have to go away.
[14:54] <Riddell> how about moving kdebindings to universe?
[14:54] <Riddell> or what's the rationale for removing it again?  just one less hassle?
[14:54] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Move it to Universe as kde3bindings?
[14:55] <ScottK> One less hassle.
[14:56] <ScottK> The more KDE3 stuff that dies the sooner the better.
[14:57] <siekacz> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vNKxmokgKjU/SWpEpMVef5I/AAAAAAAAAek/UPEeLVNZHBA/s1600-h/zrzut-styczen-10.png - kde 4.2.60 :)
[14:57] <Riddell> I think universe would be my preference
[14:57] <siekacz> very nice
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[14:57] <Riddell> ScottK: shall I do that?
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Let me upload it as kd3bindings first.
[14:58] <siekacz> sorry
[14:58] <ScottK> Then the next kde4bindings upload can be kdebindings.
[14:58] <ScottK> One less diff from Debian.
[14:58] <Riddell> right
[14:58] <ScottK> kd3/kde3
[15:01] <Nightrose> hey folks :)   a user got this with jaunty packages: amarok:      [ERROR!] Tried to perform query on uninitialized MySQLe
[15:01] <Nightrose> could it be that the amarok package is using the wrong mysql?
[15:01] <Nightrose> he gets no collection because of this
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah, me too
[15:07]  * JontheEchidna afk for a bit
[15:08] <nixternal> ScottK: can they be done tonight by chance?
[15:08] <nixternal> releasw notes that is? if you have points, throw them on a wiki page and link me to them
[15:09] <ScottK> nixternal: Absolutely.  Need them by Wed.
[15:09] <nixternal> groovy
[15:09] <nixternal> I will work on that stuff tonight then
[15:10] <Nightrose> vorian: poke
[15:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: poke
[15:14] <vorian> Nightrose: ouch
[15:14] <Nightrose> heh
[15:14] <Nightrose> you packaged it right?
[15:14] <Nightrose> can you have a look?
[15:14] <vorian> yes mam!
[15:14] <Nightrose> thx :)
[15:14] <Riddell> I don't get that messages but I do have an empty collection
[15:15] <Nightrose> Riddell: amarok -d
[15:15] <vorian> what's the problem
[15:15] <Nightrose> probably build against the wrong mysql
[15:16] <vorian> ok, let me get the build-deps
[15:16] <Riddell> mm, now I get  amarok:      [ERROR!]   I'm test building my kde3bindings right now.
[15:18] <Nightrose> vorian: yea - have a look at the intrepid package - it should have a custom mysql package
[15:19] <Nightrose> asuming the stock mysql package wasn't fixed in jaunty
[15:19] <ScottK> Nightrose: We need to figure out how to make the official mysql package work for amarok too for Jaunty.  Can't have two.
[15:19] <Nightrose> *nod*   Aides really is the guy to talk to about that
[15:19] <Nightrose> he did all the mysql vodoo for us
[15:19]  * ScottK looks over at vorian.
[15:20]  * vorian nods to scott
[15:20] <Nightrose> hehe
[15:20] <vorian> since 5.1 is in the universe and all
[15:56] <Riddell> vorian: if I install mysql-server-5.1 and libmysqlclient-dev my collection works
[15:56] <Riddell> so it needs something installed which isn't, data files or the like
[15:57] <vorian> hmm
[16:02] <ScottK> Riddell: My kde3bindings is still test building and I need to run off for a meeting, so I'll upload it tonight.
[16:03] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: did you see my issue before?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> plasmoid-lancelot is no longer a separate package
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> it's included in kdeplasma-addons
[16:03] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ahh... that makes sense then
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> yup :)
[16:14] <vorian> Riddell: do you have to install libmysqlclient-dev to get it working, or will mysql-server work?
[16:20] <Riddell> let me see
[16:21] <Riddell> just needs mysql-server-5.1 vorian
[16:21] <vorian> Riddell: that's an easy fix then
[16:21] <Riddell> if you look in the PPA there's a package with the data files it needs
[16:21] <vorian> yet another kubuntu-debian difference
[16:21] <Riddell> but depending on mysql-server-5.1 would be the quick fix
[16:21] <vorian> yup
[16:22] <vorian> i wonder what kind of feedback debian is getting
[16:39] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: I am around now :)
[16:41] <apachelogger> ScottK, Nightrose: so what is pacpl?
[16:43] <briseight> Hi! digikam from http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu  has problems. It fails to load pluings and exit. Any suggestion?
[16:43] <apachelogger> there is a party going on
[16:44] <apachelogger> what the heck is digikam-experimental?
[16:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that mysqle error appears when one tries to be smart and not installes the deps of amarok-kde4
[16:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ;-)
[16:45] <Nightrose> and havn't checked what that pacpl thingy is
[16:46] <vorian> neversfelde: please see bug 316288
[16:48] <vorian> Nightrose, Riddell, fix commited
[16:48] <Nightrose> vorian: gracias :)
[16:48] <apachelogger> vorian: shouldn't you see that bug?
[16:49] <apachelogger> considering he already dropped a diff.gz and all :P
[16:49] <vorian> well, that was for 3, there is now a 3.1 :)
[16:49] <apachelogger> ô mon dieu!
[16:50] <vorian> i suppose i could sponsor this upload, and neversfelde can update from there
[16:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you ok if I upload 4.1.4 all at once?
[16:50]  * apachelogger thinks Riddell has to accept it piece by piece anyway
[16:51] <apachelogger> vorian: well, in any case make sure you commit the changes to $branch and prepare $backport ;-)
[16:51] <vorian> yup yup
[16:51] <apachelogger> or let neversfelde do it ... delegation > work
[16:51] <vorian> heh
[16:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's fine
[16:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: how is that related to Amarok?
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[16:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: seems to have an extension for amarok
[16:53] <Nightrose> whatever that means
[16:53] <Nightrose> at least the intro says so
[16:53] <apachelogger> hm
[16:53] <Nightrose> never heard of it before though
[16:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/images/pac_amarok.jpg
[16:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: in that case.. if it doesn't work with amarok2 it is due to pacpl being close-to-unmaintained and not having noticed that amarok got a new scripting interface half a year ago :P
[16:54] <Nightrose> *shrug*
[16:55]  * apachelogger will sure be glad when he'll not be the only one to review a complete release
[16:56] <apachelogger> all of .4 is signed by me :S
[16:56] <\sh> apachelogger: you are the hero :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> \sh: and I am scared of what would happen if I screwed something up ;-)
[16:57] <Lure> briseight: what plugins? kipi-plugins?
[16:58] <Lure> apachelogger: digikam-experimental are beta packages of kde4's digikam/kipi-plugins for Intrepid
[16:58] <briseight> Lure: Marble
[16:58] <apachelogger> Lure: that should be in kubuntu-experimental really
[16:58] <\sh> apachelogger: well, then you have more time to practice karaoke ,-)
[16:58] <Lure> briseight: do you have marble-data installed?
[16:58] <apachelogger> \sh: haha, true :D
[16:58] <briseight> I can paste the log
[16:59] <briseight> I compiled from svn
[16:59] <Lure> briseight: what is from svn and what from digikam-experimental?
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: all 4.1.4 packages uploaded, I recommend you check that all 20 arrived though :)
[17:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[17:00] <Lure> apachelogger: 4.1.4? that sounds so last-year... ;-)
[17:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got time to test a new approach to wotm?
[17:01] <briseight> Lure: I've installed 0.10.0~beta8-0ubuntu1~intrepid~ppa1
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[17:01] <briseight> and also tried to compile
[17:01] <briseight> but both have the same problem
[17:01] <apachelogger> Lure: yah, that is about what I said when scott mentioned that debian already uploaded it ;-)
[17:02] <Lure> briseight: can you check if you have marble-data package installed?
[17:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uploading
[17:02] <Lure> briseight: this is known issue with kde 4.2/beta packages (should be fixed for rc by JontheEchidna ;-))
[17:03] <apachelogger> Lure: if I applied the right packaging :P
[17:03] <briseight> Lure: I'm checking now
[17:03]  * apachelogger was getting real confused from all the mails in his inbox
[17:03] <Lure> apachelogger: ;-)
[17:03]  * Lure is waiting for rc packages to switch from kde-from-svn
[17:04]  * apachelogger is wondering if he should switch at all
[17:04] <apachelogger> you people could work on jaunty while I focus my efforts on annoying upstream for 4.3 :P
[17:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu-wotm_8.12_all.deb
[17:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you will have to login though
[17:05] <briseight> Lure: I have libmarble but not murble
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:06] <apachelogger> there is now an xsession file that sets KDEDIRS
[17:06] <Lure> briseight: you do not need marble (standalone app), but you need marble-data to prevent crash
[17:06] <briseight> Lure: ok I'm installing also marble-data
[17:07]  * Lure updated digikam-experimental description
[17:07] <briseight> Lure: it takes too long on my slow connection :( Ill try it tonight. Thx
[17:09] <briseight> Lure: I'm complaing about the oddity of the error message
[17:09] <briseight> "initrd.img"  -  "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-9-generic"
[17:09] <briseight> Plugin Failure:  "initrd.img"  is not a valid Marble Plugin:
[17:10] <briseight> etc...
[17:10] <Riddell> briseight: do you have marble-data installed?
[17:11] <Lure> briseight: that confirms it is marble-data issue
[17:13] <Nightrose> argh @ whiners crying about closed amarok 1 bugs
[17:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did something break? Oo
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> nah
[17:16] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: *hug*
[17:16] <Nightrose> @ crybabies
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> konversation just doesn't autostart for some reason :/
[17:16] <apachelogger> stupid kde software, never works
[17:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, do you have nu wallpaper?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: success, although my pager is now 1 row instead of two
[17:17] <apachelogger> hm
[17:17] <apachelogger> interesting
[17:17] <apachelogger> very much so
[17:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have usual kubuntu-default-settings stuff?
[17:18]  * apachelogger is wondering what would cause the pager to go one-rowish
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> nope, everything else is as I left it
[17:19] <apachelogger> no clue
[17:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sounds unrelated though
[17:19] <apachelogger> the plasma-appletsrc only locks the wallpaper image
[17:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if you find out why pager changed please poke me, thanks for testing
[17:22]  * JontheEchidna isn't too concerned
[17:22] <apachelogger> now we just need someone to select the images and deploy the package ;-)
[17:23] <jussi01> is the nepomuk/crystal search plasmoid packaged smewhere yet? (ie. this one: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=904 )
[17:23] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I think I got pacpl patched into submission.
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: nope
[17:25] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: feel like being nice to me? ;)
[17:25] <astromme_> Is anyone else using Amarok2.0.1 from the jaunty packages? I get no collection with it.
[17:25] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I did KDE 3.5.10 packaged, reviewed, and uploaded essentially all by myself.  KDE4 with Cmake is easy.
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: it'd pretty much be unusably slow since we don't have the sesame2 nepomuk backend
[17:26] <ScottK-palm> So my sympathy is limited.
[17:26] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: oh. ok. :/
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> which we can't distribute since the software distributes binary blobs
[17:26] <astromme_> I was previously using Neon on jaunty which correctly scanned and produced a collection. I removed the neon packages, installed the jaunty, cleared out the configuration (.kde/share/conf/amarok* and .kde/share/apps/amarok) and hit scan.
[17:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: doing it yourself is quite different from reviewing though
[17:27] <astromme_> JontheEchidna: Do you know if the binary blobs issue is going to be cleared up somtime? Or is it more likely that a second c++ based backend will be created?
[17:27] <ScottK-palm> Yes.  More painful.
[17:27] <apachelogger> vorian: now that was a quick release ;-)
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> astromme_: no clue :-(
[17:28] <ScottK-palm> If I never type make -f debian/rules build-prep again, it will be too soon.
[17:28] <vorian> apachelogger: hmm?
[17:28] <vorian> I noticed my inbox asplode :)
[17:28] <apachelogger> vorian: choqok
[17:28] <apachelogger> +1
[17:29] <apachelogger> +2 actually
[17:29] <apachelogger> I have 20 extra mails about the .4 upload
[17:29] <vorian> haha
[17:29] <apachelogger> and then I will get 20 more for it failing on some arch
[17:29] <vorian> it didn't seem like i did that many at the time
[17:29] <vorian> right
[17:30] <ScottK-palm> Was it only 20?
[17:30] <vorian> the build farm is bogged down too
[17:31] <vorian> for 4.1.4
[17:32] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: it's always only 20 packages
[17:32] <apachelogger> well
[17:32] <ScottK-palm> I think quassel is going to solve our IRC client problem.
[17:33] <apachelogger> for backport/proposed anways
[17:33]  * apachelogger gets ~60 mails for l10n uploads :D
[17:33] <ScottK-palm> Anyone know how k3b kde4 is looking?
[17:33] <apachelogger> and someone will have to save me from drowning if thei FTBFS ;-)
[17:33] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: we won't know until someone tests it
[17:34] <apachelogger> which no one did AFAIK
[17:34] <ScottK-palm> That and the NM plasmoid we really need.
[17:36] <apachelogger> anyone wanna blog a bit?
[17:36] <vorian> about what apachelogger
[17:36] <ScottK-palm> What about?
[17:37] <ScottK-palm> I think I can do that in my phone.
[17:37] <apachelogger> I need some people to maintain kubuntu wallpaper of the month
[17:38] <apachelogger> i.e. select a good wallpaper and deploy the package
[17:38] <apachelogger> not much work, just need to have a couple of people with good taste so it doesn't depend on one lonesome ghost  ;-)
[17:39] <seele> apachelogger: make a plasmoid and make it update automagically every month!
[17:39] <apachelogger> too much work :P
[17:40] <ScottK-palm> Sounds like a job for nixternal.
[17:40] <ScottK-palm> Like docs, but even less wor.
[17:40] <apachelogger> nixternal could test k3b :P
[17:40] <apachelogger> and help develop the NM plasmoid
[17:41]  * nixternal is dealing with stupid vendors who do not QC their damn hardware worth a crap and now he has a total of 7 machines that can't provide their statistics correctly via SNMP
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: IMHO such small things are a good chance to get new people in
[17:41] <ScottK-palm> Sure thing.
[17:41]  * nixternal also has other things that need to get done first (ie. archive re-organization stuff) :/
[17:42]  * nixternal goes back to dealing with stupid vendors
[17:42]  * ScottK-palm wonders if nixternal doing stuff would count as new.
[17:42] <ScottK-palm> :-)
[17:42] <apachelogger> :D
[17:42] <nixternal> no, it would count as a miracle that I am even doing stuff
[17:42] <nixternal> :)
[17:42]  * apachelogger hands poor nixternal a cookie
[17:43] <nixternal> num num num
[17:43] <nixternal> *burp*
[17:43] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:43] <nixternal> thanks for the cookie..I am starving
[17:43] <apachelogger> no cookies for you anymore
[17:43] <apachelogger> I haz nu wallpaper
[17:43] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:43] <apachelogger> <3 wotm
[17:43] <apachelogger> <3 weird acronyms
[17:44] <apachelogger> that wp looks like crap \o/
[17:44] <apachelogger> <3 when other people decide
[17:44] <ScottK-palm> apachelogger: I think someone who's also on planet.kde.org should blog that.
[17:45] <apachelogger> vorian, neversfelde: are you backporting nu choqok already?
[17:45]  * ScottK-palm considers seele.
[17:45] <vorian> apachelogger: two shakes
[17:45]  * apachelogger is on planet kde, but too lazy to blog :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> there was a time I tired to blog once every day
[17:45] <apachelogger> long long ago ;-)
[17:46]  * ScottK-palm did that for about a week.
[17:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, are we pushing .96 before or after the next kubuntu alpha?
[17:47]  * apachelogger is wondering if the beta2 l10n is imported into rosetta yet
[17:47]  * ScottK-palm votes for before.
[17:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: let's do it now
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, please upload kdelibs, I'll follow with kdepimlibs
[17:48] <ScottK-palm> \o/
[17:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: is that the kdepimlibs with the patch I added?
[17:48] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde2.png
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[17:48] <ScottK-palm> Please make kde4bindings kdebindings
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, you pushed a broken version to bzr :P
[17:49] <Riddell> I did?
[17:49] <Riddell> what was broken with it?
[17:49]  * ScottK-palm will conveniently be offline for several hours.
[17:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't look into it, I just replaced it with the ppa version ... I think the .installs were not updated
[17:50] <apachelogger> ScottK-palm: if something breaks in bindings I will redirect all blame to you :P
[17:51] <ScottK-palm> Changing the source package name ought to be easy enough even nixternal could do it.
[17:51] <ScottK-palm> k-)
[17:51]  * apachelogger had to do openoffice uno hacking today
[17:51] <apachelogger> I am quite mind warped
[17:51] <apachelogger> but! I managed to finish that project
[17:51] <apachelogger> no more uno for me
[17:51] <ScottK-palm> Ouch
[17:52]  * ScottK-palm vanishes
[17:52]  * ScottK-palm quit
[17:52] <apachelogger> well, only rbot uno :D
[17:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: whatever were you doing?
[17:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: binding openoffice to our CRM software
[17:54] <apachelogger> we will probably migrate from ms office
[17:55] <Riddell> kde4libs uploaded
[17:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: "our"?
[17:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: our = the company I am part of ;-)
[18:00] <Riddell> you have a job?
[18:01] <Riddell> koffice2 built, I'll backport it to intrepid
[18:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, not even I can live on love alone :) ... doing sysadmin and minor software development at a local tax/business/bankruptcy/other-weird-economic-stuff consultant
[18:05] <apachelogger> in february I am starting work in a retirement home though
[18:05] <Riddell> I fell like I should have known that
[18:05] <Riddell> retirement?  got bored of working already? :)
[18:06] <Nightrose> *lol*
[18:06] <Nightrose> Riddell: don't feel to bad about it - he didn't tell me either
[18:06] <Nightrose> *sob*
[18:06] <Nightrose> (but i knew it anyway...=
[18:08] <jussi01> hrm, we got any backporters hanging around? Ive got one we'd love to have done soonish if possible.
[18:08] <apachelogger> work is like sleep, completely unnecessary and only invented to keep me from doing more sensible stuff ... like break kubuntu ;-)
[18:08] <jussi01> bug 299287
[18:08] <jussi01> its already to go, just needs a backport team member
[18:09] <apachelogger> ScottK, NCommander, jpds ^
[18:14] <jussi01> could someone try open this page in konq, and see if it crashes? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/books/ubuntu_applications/konqueror
[18:14] <jussi01> Im using the b2 packages from experimental
[18:14]  * Nightrose tries
[18:14] <apachelogger> just keeps on loading
[18:15] <apachelogger> and loading
[18:15] <LaserJock> what's the difference between the ~kubuntu-experimental and ~kubuntu-memebers-kde4 PPAs?
[18:15] <apachelogger> ....
[18:15] <Nightrose> jussi01: looks ok here
[18:15] <apachelogger> LaserJock: -experimental is for pre-stable/experimental packages
[18:15] <Nightrose> also beta 2
[18:15] <apachelogger> LaserJock: -members-kde4 is considered stable
[18:15] <jussi01> apachelogger: Nightrose sorry, forgot to mention I it was while I had the view mode set to webkitkde
[18:16] <jussi01> (didnt realise till I checked
[18:16] <apachelogger> LaserJock: basically like $series-backports, just that stuff usually gets built faster in the PPA ;-)
[18:16] <LaserJock> apachelogger: should they in general contain the same software?
[18:16] <Nightrose> jussi01: hmm i only have webkit
[18:16] <Nightrose> eh
[18:16] <Nightrose> khtml
[18:17] <jussi01> Nightrose: you get webkit by installing webkitkde package
[18:17] <LaserJock> I'm just reading vorian's amarok blog post and i noticed I don't have a new amarok :-)
[18:17] <apachelogger> LaserJock: well, they both contain KDE software ;-)
[18:17] <Nightrose> jussi01: don't really have time now to install and test that - sorry
[18:17] <jussi01> Nightrose: thanks anyway
[18:18] <LaserJock> but I have k-e and not kubuntu-members-kde4
[18:18] <apachelogger> LaserJock: amarok <IP_ADDRESS> is a stable version so it would only be in -members-kde4
[18:18] <LaserJock> gotcha
[18:18] <jussi01> apachelogger: which -dbg package do I need to get som deven symbols from konq?
[18:18] <apachelogger> LaserJock: if for example amarok was already releasing preview versions of 2.1 those would be available via -experimental
[18:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: the crasp probably happens in webkit or webkitkde
[18:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: we don't have dbg packages for the latter I think
[18:19] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeah, likely
[18:19] <apachelogger> jussi01: also it wouldn't make much sense, webkit in Qt 4.5 is quite different from what we have
[18:19] <apachelogger> same applies for webkitkde
[18:20] <jussi01> apachelogger: oh.
[18:20]  * jussi01 goes away...
[18:20] <apachelogger> jussi01: do you know some nice people who could maintain a kubuntu wallpaper of the month package?
[18:20] <jussi01> apachelogger: whats involved?
[18:22] <apachelogger> jussi01: browsing kde-look regularily, choosing a very fine wallpaper every month and running a couple of scripts to deploy the packages
[18:22] <jussi01> apachelogger: I could do it, but Im not overly arty...
[18:22] <apachelogger> jussi01: I'd like to have a group of people anyway
[18:23] <jussi01> although some of the studio guys might be interested, though they are mostly gnome people
[18:23] <apachelogger> jussi01: you should convert them then :P
[18:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: Ill ask them anyway, they generally are happy to help with stuff
[18:23] <apachelogger> okies
[18:24] <jussi01> (if you like)
[18:24] <jussi01> :)
[18:24] <apachelogger> sure.... I'd like to become wotm to be a cultural movement anyway :D
[18:24] <apachelogger> like youtube
[18:24] <apachelogger> just wallpaperish
[18:24] <jussi01> hehe, yeah
[18:24] <jussi01> well Ill let you know
[18:25] <apachelogger> kthx
[18:25] <apachelogger> now, here is the bummer question ... how to deploy wotm?
[18:25] <apachelogger> own ppa? existing ppa? no ppa?
[18:25] <apachelogger> air mail?
[18:26] <jussi01> own ppa IMHO
[18:26] <apachelogger> yeah, I think the same, but I am slowly drowning in ppas :P
[18:26] <jussi01> snail mail... with the source printed out so they have to type it themselves :P
[18:26] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[18:26] <apachelogger> now that would be geeky
[18:26] <apachelogger> that said
[18:27] <apachelogger> we need an application to create real life wallpaper from a wallpaper
[18:27] <apachelogger> "I printed that whole room" :D
[18:27] <jussi01> apachelogger: are you thinking blue curl on your walls?
[18:27] <jussi01> :D
[18:27] <apachelogger> no
[18:27] <apachelogger> air
[18:27] <jussi01> hehe
[18:28] <jussi01> would make a nice feature wall
[18:28] <apachelogger> and you wouldn't have to open the window to get fresh air :P
[18:28] <apachelogger> just print a new row ^_^
[18:28] <jussi01> hehe
[18:28] <jussi01> anyway, Im off for a bit
[18:28]  * apachelogger hands jussi01 a cookie
[18:28] <jussi01> laters
[18:28] <apachelogger> *wave*
[18:28] <jussi01> :)
[18:29]  * Sput steals apachelogger's cookie jar
[18:29] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear!!!
[18:30]  * apachelogger gets his laser screwdriver
[18:30] <apachelogger> no one steals my pony cookies!
[18:30]  * apachelogger throws the laser screwdriver at Sput and shouts "scoooby doooo"
[18:31]  * Sput ducks
[18:32] <apachelogger> We are the swedish borg! Resistance is futile!
[18:32]  * apachelogger assimilates Sput into a duck
[18:32]  * Sput turns himself into a nice chinese dish
[18:32] <apachelogger> gross
[18:32] <Sput> klein!
[18:32]  * apachelogger takes his cookie jar and hides in the bunker
[18:33]  * Sput pulls out his WZ 2100 Bunker Buster
[18:34] <vorian> LaserJock: i amended by post for intrepid users.  Thanks for pointing that out :)
[18:34] <apachelogger> Sput: no one ever busted the kubuntu bunker, ask the vorian
[18:35] <vorian> tru dat
[18:35] <apachelogger> he locked it down like fort nox
[18:35] <apachelogger> just better
[18:35] <Sput> uh oh
[18:35]  * Sput doesn't like cookies anyway
[18:35] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:35] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:35] <apachelogger> Sput--
[18:36] <Sput> they're a security risk!
[18:36] <apachelogger> why do you think am I giving them away for free? :P
[18:37] <apachelogger> vorian, neversfelde: if I understood the choqok dude correctly, then he appears to be pretty surprised of the 0.3.1 deployment speed ... good job I'd say :)
[18:38] <vorian> yes, nice work neversfelde
[18:50]  * Lure is building k3b-svn to try it
[18:50] <apachelogger> Lure++
[18:57] <LaserJock> so does this firefox-qt package work?
[18:57] <vorian> erm
[18:58] <Tm_T> LaserJock: isn't it Arora these days?
[18:59] <LaserJock> Tm_T: I have no idea about it at all, I just see a firefox-qt package in a PPA. There isn't really a description of what it is
[18:59] <Tm_T> LaserJock: see arora-browser.org
[18:59] <apachelogger> Tm_T: no it is not
[19:00] <apachelogger> LaserJock: no it is not either
[19:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ah, I thought firefox-qt project kinda evolved to what we know now as Arora
[19:00] <Tm_T> oh well
[19:01] <apachelogger> firefox-qt was an attemt to make firefox use Qt, started by nokia as part of their effort to make their embedded stuff use Qt(Embeded)-only now that they pretty much own Qt, but since their main motivation was not to have the complete firefox gui use Qt the project pretty much stopped progressing AFAIK
[19:02] <LaserJock> I see
[19:02] <apachelogger> arora on the other hand is a browser using Qt's WebKit trying to be a easy to use cross-platform browser similar to Firefox, with the differen that it uses Qt and WebKit, other than that it is indeed very similar to Firefox
[19:02] <vorian> Riddell: choqok is ready to go (its in k-u-t)
[19:03] <apachelogger> has some limitations with Qt 4.4's Webkit though (like no support for flash/or other nsplugins)
[19:03] <apachelogger> which will pretty much disappear with Qt 4.5 (which also comes with HTMLv5 support AFAIK ;-)
[19:04] <apachelogger> that said, firefox-qt is not recommendable, arora is, especially since it got better support for google applications than konqueror
[19:04] <Lure> btw, do we have qt4.5 test packages somewhere (like -experimental)?
[19:04] <apachelogger> Lure: Tm_T was working on it, but hit a problem, I didn't came round to look at it though
[19:05] <LaserJock> apachelogger: so why is it in the ~kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA? You told me that was the good stuff ;p
[19:05] <apachelogger> LaserJock: firefox-qt is in -experimental if I am not mistaken
[19:06] <apachelogger> oh cold tea \o/
[19:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I'll have to look
[19:06]  * apachelogger should be writing less and drinking more
[19:09] <apachelogger> anyone using jaunty?
[19:09]  * vorian is
[19:11]  * JontheEchidna is
[19:11]  * Lure does
[19:12] <apachelogger> I assume it is kinda usable then?
[19:12] <Lure> apachelogger: sure
[19:12] <apachelogger> +is any of you using vbox?
[19:12] <vorian> nope
[19:12] <Lure> apachelogger: I normally switch soon after repos are open and do clean install with alpha 4 or 5
[19:12]  * Lure does not like stable system ;-)
[19:13]  * Lure was booting manually from BusyBox for a week after recent LVM breakage ;-)
[19:13]  * apachelogger uses KDE trunk until stable KDE arrives in $developmentseries
[19:13] <Lure> apachelogger: oh yes, and I use KDE from SVN currently
[19:13] <apachelogger> KDE 4.3 \o/
[19:14]  * apachelogger now installs vbox in a vbox :P
[19:14] <Lure> uh, k3b installed - now what to burn...
[19:14]  * apachelogger needs to make sure it works before he can install jaunty
[19:15] <Lure> no need to worry, k3b does not list any device... :-(
[19:15] <apachelogger> lol
[19:15] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I seem to stick with trunk until, uhm, trunk becomes KDE5 and breaks
[19:16] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you should use 4.2 and polish it up for jaunty :P
[19:16] <Tm_T> apachelogger: but it has no fun features!
[19:16] <apachelogger> like that matters
[19:16] <Tm_T> for my personal use it does
[19:16]  * Sput needs his daily trunk fix
[19:17] <Lure> apachelogger: actually, just Device menu is empty
[19:17]  * Lure is erasing CD-RW
[19:17] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I prefer to find bugs and get them fixed before distros got 'em anyway
[19:17]  * Lure is woken up by the trumpet ;-)
[19:18] <apachelogger> Tm_T: good thing as well
[19:18] <vorian> Sput: just a suggestion if possible, make the default port for freenode 8001
[19:18] <apachelogger> Lure: once I almost fainted because the trumpet was so loud :P
[19:18] <Sput> vorian: hmmm, with our new networks.ini that should be possible easily
[19:18] <vorian> excellent
[19:19] <apachelogger> lol
[19:19] <vorian> saves unwary users of a nasty router exploit
[19:19] <apachelogger> my vbox in the vbox just made vbox crash
[19:19]  * Lure found some sysrescuecd.iso
[19:19] <apachelogger> hm
[19:19] <apachelogger> well, vbox started, that is good enough for me
[19:20] <vorian> haha
[19:20] <smarter> the trumpet is back? cool :p
[19:20] <apachelogger> TrumpetOfDoom
[19:21] <Lure> apachelogger: I forgot that trumpet plays, did not burn CD/DVD for ages...
[19:22] <smarter> Lure: it has been removed by default in the latest k3b for kde3 releases
[19:23] <Riddell> vorian: so just backport what's in jaunty?
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: it needs changes due to the quilt stuff
[19:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am uploading kdepimlibs because I am going to install jaunty now, feel free to retry once kdelibs is done
[19:24]  * apachelogger hopes he will be able to boot :D
[19:24] <vorian> Riddell: there are changes
[19:24] <Lure> anybody with kde3 k3b?
[19:24] <Lure> what should be in Devices menu?
[19:24] <Riddell> vorian: so copy from kubuntu-updates-testing to intrepid-backports?
[19:25] <vorian> Riddell: let me check
[19:25]  * JontheEchidna checks with his k3b-kde3
[19:25] <vorian> Riddell: actually no, there were newer versions of libs in k-u-t
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> Lure: mount/unmount controls for the CD drive
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> as well as info about the media in the drive
[19:26]  * apachelogger reboots for jaunty install
[19:26] <vorian> Riddell: i'll get a build in a clean ppa
[19:27] <Lure> JontheEchidna: thanks - that is missing in kde4-svn version
[19:27] <Lure> JontheEchidna: info about media is actually shown in main window
[19:27] <Riddell> vorian: you can just upload to intrepid-backports
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> Lure: actually it's a menu action to show the media info pane I think
[19:28] <vorian> Riddell: yep
[19:28] <vorian> ok
[19:28]  * smarter tries to motivate himself to write a mail to the plasma ml about porting Kvkbd to Plasma
[19:30] <Lure> no good: simple data CD write returns some strange error and some defunct processes are hanging around
[19:30] <Lure> will go back to simplier test - iso image burn
[19:33]  * jussi01 sighs an prods apachelogger
[19:35] <Lure> apachelogger, Riddell: k3b is not ready for packaging :-(
[19:35] <Riddell> Lure: the KDE 4 version?
[19:36] <Lure> copy medium -> crash, create data medium -> strange error + hang
[19:36] <Lure> Riddell: kde-from-svn
[19:36] <Riddell> thanks for testing it Lure
[19:36] <Lure> it looks good and it may be that only minor changes are needed
[19:36] <Lure> I see it uses K3Process and I recall some problems with this
[19:36] <Riddell> that and networkmanager makes out KDE 4 only plans problematic
[19:37] <Riddell> our
[19:37] <Riddell> openoffice too
[19:37] <Lure> since most of k3b work is executing other commands, it may be the root cause
[19:37] <Riddell> 19:34 < pinotree> pusling: [20:20:18] <dfaure> kde packagers: please apply r910155 (i.e. http://www.davidfaure.fr/kde/bug-179921.diff) to your 4.1.4 packages
[19:37] <Lure> networkmanager does not look that far (plasma applet)
[19:37] <Lure> works for me (tm) ;-)
[19:37] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna ^^
[19:37] <Riddell> Lure: wasn't making any connection for me earlier today
[19:38] <Lure> Riddell: just UI is strnage sometime and no WPA-Enterprise (can use at work)
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> I wasn't able to actually configure anything
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> something fiddly with permissions or something
[19:39] <Lure> JontheEchidna: strange, just started to work for me 1-2 weeks ago
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> the configuration dialog is completely greyed out
[19:40] <smarter> Lure: doe k3b development appears to be active?
[19:40] <smarter> *does
[19:41] <Tm_T> smarter: hibernate mode
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> smarter: not really
[19:41] <Tm_T> smarter: some bugfixes in last weeks, but that's all
[20:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: I uploaded kdebase-runtime and kde4bindings, are you uploading the rest
[20:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: and 4.1.4?
[21:11] <quassel84> hm
[21:11] <quassel84> quassel it is
[21:11] <Tm_T> is not
[21:11] <quassel84> *switching to irssi*
[21:13] <apachelogger_> man that looks geeky
[21:13]  * Nightrose wonders who quassel84 is
[21:13] <apachelogger_> must be me
[21:13] <apachelogger_> or was
[21:13] <Nightrose> hah
[21:14]  * apachelogger_ is xterming for .kde cleanup
[21:17] <apachelogger_> hum, that looks like I used every KDE app there is -.-
[21:20] <apachelogger_> haha, I still had apps/kicker lying around :D
[21:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.1.4 is already up completely
[21:33] <wonderful> test
[21:33] <apachelogger> retest
[21:34] <wonderful> this is a nice client
[21:34] <apachelogger> <3 quassel
[21:34] <apachelogger> smarter: talking too much again? Oo
[21:37] <vorian> [v]:
[21:37] <apachelogger> wah
[21:37] <apachelogger> plasma exploded
[21:37] <vorian> [v]:
[21:37] <apachelogger> vorian: did you make it crash?
[21:38] <vorian> nope
[21:38] <apachelogger> phew :)
[21:38] <jpds> apachelogger: All those staffer addons.
[21:38] <vorian> i don't think it would work for me
[21:41] <smarter> apachelogger: was?
[21:41] <apachelogger> exactly
[21:41] <jussi01> jpds: ping?
[21:42]  * vorian smacks apachelogger
[21:42] <jpds> jussi01: Pong.
[21:42] <smarter> anyway, off for the night
[21:42] <smarter> bye
[21:42] <jussi01> jpds: can you look at abackport for me?
[21:42] <vorian> -workspace had 14 changes, you made one of them silly
[21:42] <jussi01> jpds: bug 299287
[21:42] <vorian> them, silly
[21:42] <apachelogger> vorian: hm?
[21:42] <apachelogger> silly?
[21:43] <vorian> no, i was calling you silly
[21:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: son, you are
[21:43] <apachelogger> vorian: don't get it
[21:43] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I wonder where I got that from
[21:43] <vorian> there were 15 changes in -workspace, one of them you made
[21:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: me too, but I don't let it bother me
[21:44] <apachelogger> Tm_T: wise choice
[21:44] <jpds> jussi01: Looks OK for intrepid.
[21:44] <apachelogger> vorian: I shouldn't have made that change?
[21:44] <vorian> na, it needed to be made
[21:44] <jussi01> jpds: yes it does, you are on the backports team, no? can you get it happening?
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> amarok is almost down to 75 bugs
[21:45] <apachelogger> vorian: so what is the problem with it?
[21:45]  * apachelogger is not really fast today
[21:47] <jpds> jussi01: It's done.
[21:47] <jussi01> jpds: excellent :) thank you
[21:50] <jussi01> jpds: so when will you know about the hardy backport?
[21:52] <jpds> jussi01: I'm not sure if I can upload directly to -backports pockets (for source changed backports) - I think I'm only supposed to do it on emergencies.
[21:52] <apachelogger> wah
[21:52] <apachelogger> silly me upgraded while .96 is being built
[21:52] <apachelogger> that explains the plasma crash though :D
[21:53] <vorian> ohmy
[21:53] <jussi01> jpds: ok, we would _really_ like to have it asap - its important to studio users, so if you can follow up on it it would be fantastic
[21:53] <apachelogger> <3 yakuake
[21:55] <neversfelde> apachelogger, vorian: do I have to do anything more for updating choqok?
[21:55] <vorian> neversfelde: nope! you did awesome
[21:55] <apachelogger> hm
[21:55] <neversfelde> :)
[21:55] <apachelogger> looking pretty is always a good idea though
[21:55] <neversfelde> was not as difficult as I thougt
[21:56] <apachelogger> you never know if someone pays you a visit ;-)
[21:56] <jussi01> ok, nini all
[21:56] <vorian> what in the world are you talking about?
[21:58] <jpds> jussi01: Hmm, lots of stuff to do: http://tinyurl.com/a5dpjx
[21:58] <apachelogger> vorian: UNO
[21:58] <apachelogger> ~uno
[21:58] <apachelogger> stupid bot -.-
[21:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does insanity still have uno?
[21:59] <vorian> haha
[21:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dunno - might be missing since the move to jeffs server
[22:00] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:00] <apachelogger> who is up for a round of uno?
[22:00] <Tm_T> teeworlds?
[22:01] <vorian> sure
[22:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you gotta play uno with us
[22:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: still wibbly
[22:02] <Nightrose> sorry
[22:02] <Nightrose> can't play
[22:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, I think playing uno would be perfect to stop that wobbly Nightrose effect :P
[22:03] <Nightrose> *lol*
[22:06]  * JontheEchidna can play uno
[22:10] <apachelogger> bleh
[22:10] <apachelogger> lost focus
[22:10] <apachelogger> anyway, shouldn't we like use oxygen for that language selector thing?
[22:10]  * nhandler might actually be able to start on the bindings backport soon
[22:11]  * JontheEchidna thought he whined about language-selector-qt's icon a while back :P
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> work > whining
[22:11] <apachelogger> core devs don't whine, they break things
[22:13] <apachelogger> bug #164316
[22:13] <apachelogger> argh
[22:14] <apachelogger> mvo is the lost
[22:15] <apachelogger> but it seems like the gnome thingy uses the icon shipped with gnome now
[22:15] <apachelogger> so we should switch to oxygen and the language selector icon should be dropped completely
[22:17] <apachelogger> bah, that same bug applies to the Qt interface :P
[22:17] <apachelogger> but vice versa
[22:17] <apachelogger> we get the globe in the menu and the UN flag in the app :)
[22:19] <apachelogger> also, shouldn't we like port that thing to KDE?
[22:25] <apachelogger> funnies, it is KDE but no one bothered to change the name ^_^
[22:39] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:39] <apachelogger> NCommander: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1/+build/834937/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.kde4libs_4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:39] <vorian> more uploads apachelogger?
[22:40] <apachelogger> they broke kdelibs again, looks doublish again
[22:40] <apachelogger> vorian: .96
[22:40] <NCommander> apachelogger, ****
[22:40] <NCommander> I still haven't even gotten the last round of patches to flow upstream
[22:40]  * apachelogger doesn't even wanna look at his inbox
[22:41]  * apachelogger blames sebas
[22:41] <vorian> apachelogger: did you upload the rest?
[22:41] <apachelogger> sebas: NCommander didn't get a free armel device and still cares whether KDE builds
[22:41] <apachelogger> vorian: yes
[22:41] <apachelogger> all up now
[22:42] <sebas> apachelogger: what did I do wrong? :/
[22:43] <apachelogger> sebas: not you, KDE, do you have suggestions how we can push NCommander's compile patches in? ... bug reports don't seem to work very well
[22:43] <sebas> Post them to the relevant lists?
[22:43] <apachelogger> point
[22:43] <sebas> Possibly kde-devel
[22:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: did you do that yet? :P
[22:43] <NCommander> my inbox is already flooded enough to the point that its impraticial for me to subscribe to all of them
[22:43] <sebas> For plasma, you can just commit if it's the usual qreal vs double crap
[22:44] <NCommander> sebas, that's most of it across the board
[22:44] <NCommander> bindings still broken because pyqt4 still hasn't merged my patches
[22:44] <sebas> Just post to kde-devel and threaten to commit them :)
[22:44] <apachelogger> <3 threats
[22:44] <vorian> sweeet
[22:44] <NCommander> but I don't have commit access ...
[22:44] <NCommander> sebas, does KDE have some sorta autobuild farm?
[22:44] <sebas> We actually do care about portability ...
[22:44] <NCommander> sebas, its not KDE thats really all that broken
[22:44] <apachelogger> yah sure :P
[22:44] <sebas> NCommander: Ow, then send them and ask someone to commit
[22:44] <NCommander> Qt's design is absolutely braindead
[22:45] <sebas> That might not get 100% in, but a good part
[22:45] <NCommander> (in this respect)
[22:45] <NCommander> sebas, a good part is in
[22:45] <Lure> NCommander: I can break KDE SVN for you ;-)
[22:45] <NCommander> kdegraphics went in
[22:45] <NCommander> half of kdelibs
[22:45] <NCommander> half of kdebindings
[22:45]  * Lure sent digikam/armel fix for review
[22:45] <NCommander> kdebluetooth is already extremely broken
[22:45] <apachelogger> ~google dirkboard
[22:45] <kubotu> Results for dirkboard: 1. ZOIG.COM - dirkboard: http://www.zoig.com/profile/dirkboard | 2.  Is Google Making Us Stupid? - The Atlantic (July/August 2008): http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google | 2. Google is stupid!: http://www.ozzu.com/google-forum/google-stupid-t25174.html | 3. Porn, Sex, Wedding Rings, and Stupid Google Tricks: http://savethehumans.com/culturebashing/outbursts/porn_sex_google/index.shtml
[22:46] <NCommander> O_o on #3
[22:46] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://developer.kde.org/~dirk/dashboard/
[22:46] <apachelogger> only i386
[22:46] <NCommander> I *might* be able to contribute some automagic build love for KDE4
[22:47]  * apachelogger is wondering what automagic build love is :P
[22:47] <NCommander> if ARM portability is a 4.2 release goal.
[22:47] <sebas> Not particularly a goal, but everyone agrees that we want things to work on ARM
[22:47] <apachelogger> you just don't do anything for it :P
[22:48] <sebas> But not everybody knows about portability caveats
[22:48] <sebas> Well, the people who care do (Martijn, Ade, others, ...)
[22:48] <apachelogger> sebas: I guess NCommander could send a mail about that
[22:48] <apachelogger> it's mostly the same issues anyway
[22:48] <sebas> That would be cool, it's definitely not a 'political' thing, more that people don't know, aren't aware etc
[22:49]  * apachelogger suspected something like this
[22:52] <apachelogger> sebas: btw, if nokia starts throwing cells (which aren't actually cells because they can't do calling) again, it would be cool if you could catch one for me ... I'd like to work on a kubuntu-mobile/-mid image once plasma-mid is usable :)
[22:53] <sebas> I'm not aware of anything like this planned atm, but sure :)
[22:53] <sebas> So don't hold your breath for it.
[22:53] <sebas> I could lend you my n180 maybe
[22:54] <sebas> But yeah ... first plasma-mid :)
[22:54] <apachelogger> *nod*
[22:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 316559
[22:56] <apachelogger> btw, my 4.2 beta2 almost looks translated ... it appears rosetta imported the strings after all ;-)
[23:07] <nellery> am I correct in saying that a build-depends on quilt is not necessary with kde4.mk in cdbs?
[23:07] <nhandler> nellery: I do not believe it is necessary in jaunty, but it is needed for backports iir apachelogger's email correctly
[23:08] <Riddell> yes
[23:08] <nellery> so if a package is only in Jaunty, is it better to leave it, or remove it?
[23:09] <Riddell> if you're doing an upload anyway then you can remove it
[23:10] <nellery> Riddell: alright thanks
[23:10] <apachelogger> nellery: as Riddell says, unless you want to backport $package to intrepid, in which case I recommend to leave the quilt dep, otherwise a autobackport becomes impossible
[23:44] <nhandler> vorian: amarok runs nicely
[23:54] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ah ha.  found you.


[08:02] <savvas0> hello! do you know if rtl8192cu / r8192cu driver ( http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x ) is included in ubuntu kernel packages? It is supported by linux wireless, but I don't see it in eg. natty linux image nor ppa mainline kernels, not even the linux backports packages.
[09:03] <savvas0> I've sent my request as bug 763366
[09:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 763366 in linux "rtl8192cu / r8192cu driver not included" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763366


[15:08] <nealmcb> wgrant: thanks (belated :)
[19:39] <wsnipex> hi, any launchpad admin around?
[19:42] <wsnipex> I have an odd issue that launchpad totally ignores an uploaded package. it does not show up in the ppa, nor do I get a mail of any kind
[19:42] <wsnipex> tried 3 different ppas, with 3 different versions of the package and 2 different gpg keys
[19:43] <wsnipex> boths keys do work as other packages worked fine just this morning


[02:02] <pleia2> uwn 321 has been sent off to summary writers
[04:45] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: correction on certificates article, it's the ubuntumembers team, not the ubuntu-members team
[07:29] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: good catch, fixed
[21:45] <phillw> hi... correct area? :)
[21:45] <JoseeAntonioR> yes
[21:46] <phillw> let me just format it a bit better
[21:46] <phillw>  20:00 UTC / GMT
[21:46] <phillw> Tue 25th June
[21:47] <phillw> Tue 23rd July
[21:47] <phillw> Tue 27th August
[21:47] <phillw> Tue 24th September
[21:47] <phillw> Tue 15th October
[21:48] <phillw> .. done
[21:49] <JoseeAntonioR> what happens then?
[21:51] <phillw> they are the monthly meetings of lubuntu that precede each milestone release. We stopped having meetings but there was a request that we re-start them. If the sessions are booked, it is not a major issue as we do have meeting bot on our channel.
[21:55] <JoseeAntonioR> someone will get to it
[21:55] <phillw> JoseeAntonioR: These Tuesdays are during the test cycle that begins on the Monday preceding them, but as re-makes of the ISO's are not uncommon, it still gives Tuesday night to Thursday midday (UTC/GMT) to have any discussions on them. As the wiki / doc / comm / artwork etc. teams hit critical points on and around these dates, they seem to be the best to 'rally the troops'.
[21:56] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm not the right person to ping, but someone will get to it soon
[21:57] <phillw> JoseeAntonioR: don't stress :) we have a meetingology bot if -meeting is pre booked :)