[01:18] <greg-g> snap-l: very interesting! (sorry, had to run out)
[01:18] <greg-g> brousch: that's all lies
[01:34] <Blazeix> turns out everything cool starts in Davenport, Iowa. SF just has a better marketing team
[13:38] <snap-l> g'morning
[14:09] <brousch> yes
[14:20] <snap-l> si si
[15:55] <brousch> Very nice http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/10ca2c/dont_trust_us_erm_we_have_root_you_do_trust_us/
[17:08] <rick_h_> ugh
[17:09] <Blazeix> eh, it's maybe poorly worded, but i agree with Mark's post
[17:10] <rick_h_> yea, I think end of the day it's just overreaction on that stuff
[17:10] <Blazeix> it gives fodder to  people who like knee-jerk reactions
[17:10] <rick_h_> it'll get polished up
[17:10] <rick_h_> but yea, seeing things just pop out of the air gets the troll feeding going
[18:14] <snap-l> Frankly Mark could post that he likes unicorns and lolipops, and end up pissing off the narwhal sucker-lovers.
[19:47] <greg-g> rick_h_: it isn't that the troll feeding goes, its that things pop out of the air unannounced and without any communication to the community. I don't care about any specific change. I do caremad, however, that the changes are done without regard to the wider community's interestings.
[19:47] <greg-g> that was my first use of the word caremad ;)
[19:48]  * greg-g had an email exchange with Mark and Jono about this yesterday/last night/just now
[19:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, understand.
[19:49] <rick_h_> you make a valid point on the community involvement, but I guess I've kind of given up on that long ago really
[19:49] <rick_h_> unfortunatly
[19:49] <greg-g> well, I'm a bulldog in this regard
[19:50] <greg-g> I'm not letting go
[19:50] <rick_h_> and I don't use the stuff (shhh don't tell anyone) so my caring levels are a bit lower
[19:51] <greg-g> hah
[20:47] <snap-l> Yeah, frankly I'm of the opinion that community is just another word for volunteer labor
[20:48] <snap-l> Whatever voice I might have in the decisions of Ubuntu is moot when it's all said and done
[21:09] <snap-l> The thing that kind of pisses me off about this whole thing is the notion that the door is open if you don't agree wit the choice.
[21:28] <snap-l> Also, I think GnuCash has succeeded in making importing a QIF file more of a chore than any other program.


[09:43] <shawarma> @schedule Copenhagen
[09:43] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 22 May 22:00: Technical Board | 23 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 May 16:00: LoCo Team | 29 May 17:00: Kernel Team | 29 May 23:00: Community Council
[01:30] <shawarma> @now
[01:30] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: May 21 2007, 11:30:36 - Next meeting: Technical Board in 1 day
[11:50] <arualavi> @schedule Andorra
[11:50] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Andorra: 22 May 22:00: Technical Board | 23 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 May 16:00: LoCo Team | 29 May 17:00: Kernel Team | 29 May 23:00: Community Council


[12:38] <poningru> rofl
[12:50] <rED_HErrING> hey wheres the best place to get an ubuntu tshirt?
[12:51] <rED_HErrING> hybrid: it does exist.
[02:14] <Burgundavia> evening minions
[02:14] <Burgundavia> :)
[02:14] <Burgundavia> anybody up for some UWN hacking?
[02:16] <Red_heRRing|COD> nah not tonight
[02:17] <Burgundavia> right
[02:17] <Burgundavia> nixternal, elkbuntu, poningru: going to slack off? :)
[02:18] <Burgundavia> lophyte: yo
[02:28] <poningru> alright
[02:28] <poningru> sir yes sir
[02:28] <poningru> ready to hack
[02:46] <nixternal> ey?
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> My god Burgundavia - it's like you have a direct link to my professors and schedule UWN specifically for when school is eating me alive.
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> On the plus side, I already filled in some of the USNs, news, and other random items a few days ago
[02:54] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: ok, that rocks
[02:54] <Burgundavia> poningru, nixternal: sorry, sucked into pp-racer
[02:54] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:55] <Burgundavia> let see responsive gobby.ubuntu.com is this week
[02:55] <poningru> heh
[02:55] <Burgundavia> hmm, not good
[02:55] <Burgundavia> lets go to your server poningru
[02:56] <poningru> mk
[02:56] <Burgundavia> what is the IP again?
[02:56] <poningru> huh... hold on
[02:56] <poningru> ru@ip72-209-68-178
[02:57] <poningru> password is ufl@ftw
[02:57] <poningru> what week is this?
[02:57] <poningru> 23?
[02:57] <Burgundavia> 22
[02:57] <poningru> cool
[02:57] <Burgundavia> created
[02:58] <Burgundavia> here are the tasks:
[02:58] <Burgundavia> 1) community news
[02:58] <Burgundavia> 2) update edgy/dapper chnages
[02:58] <Burgundavia> 3) update USNs (if needed)
[02:58] <Burgundavia> 4) bug count
[02:58] <Burgundavia> 5) community news
[02:58] <Burgundavia> 6) complete in the press section
[02:59] <Burgundavia> 7) spell check and proof "spec of the week section"
[03:00] <poningru> 3 & 4
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> spec of the week?  that's new
[03:02] <Burgundavia> i yid
[03:02] <Burgundavia> it is, rather
[03:03] <Burgundavia> part of communicating release goals better
[03:04] <poningru> hmm nice
[03:05] <Burgundavia> I want to create a LookingFowardToFeisty doc some point as well
[03:08] <poningru> brb
[03:16] <Burgundavia> ok, lots of urls on gobby to write about
[03:18] <poningru> ooh indeed
[03:34] <nixternal> how about throwing in a little blurb about how microsoft says every linux user owes them money for their intellectual property
[03:36] <elkbuntu> do we really want to pollute our lovely UWN with stallman
[03:43] <poningru> ...
[03:43] <poningru> stallman?
[03:43] <poningru> you mean balmer
[03:43] <nixternal> wth
[03:44] <nixternal> stallman is the gnufather
[03:44] <nixternal> he has worked harder than anyone towards software freedom, even though he can be rather barbaric in some of his attmpts...i am understanding him more and more each day
[03:45] <elkbuntu> right
[03:45] <elkbuntu> i was reading something about stallman when you mentioned the ballmer bullshit
[03:45] <nixternal> hehe
[03:45] <elkbuntu> my brain is baked the the consistancy of a custard tart at the moment
[03:45] <nixternal> i think mako sells FSF/GNU better than stallman does
[03:45] <poningru> mmm custard tart
[03:46] <nixternal> omg custard tart!
[03:47] <Burgundavia> mako is actually sane
[03:47] <nixternal> hehe ya
[03:47] <nixternal> but if he hangs around stallman anymore, he might lose that
[03:47] <Burgundavia> nah
[03:47] <Burgundavia> mako understands how to communicate to non-geeks
[03:47] <nixternal> very true
[03:48] <nixternal> stallman has the right ideas, just carries them out the wrong way
[03:48] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: stop procrastinating, start editing
[03:48] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, im not procrastinating
[03:48] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:49] <Burgundavia> not editing UWN == procrastinating
[03:49] <elkbuntu> im unblocking my blog so i can check for comments
[03:58] <elkbuntu> ... are we back on poningru's gobby?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:04] <Burgundavia> 22
[04:10] <Burgundavia> poningru: those USNs, only 12-18th are displayed
[04:14] <Burgundavia> grabbing dinner, so might in and out
[04:17] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2006-November/000782.html supposed to be about the bosnian loco or the completely unrelated previous message in the thread
[04:17] <Burgundavia> loco team
[04:18] <elkbuntu> i might mention the youth thing, in addition?
[04:18] <elkbuntu> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2006-November/000781.html
[04:18] <elkbuntu> as an announcement.. maybe
[04:19] <elkbuntu> i guess there's other issues it can be left for
[04:21] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:56] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, news done :)
[04:56] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: thanks
[04:57] <Burgundavia> can you make each news item a seperate heading?
[04:57] <elkbuntu> sure
[04:58] <Burgundavia> can you dive into the "in the press" section next?
[04:59] <elkbuntu> k
[05:01] <elkbuntu> hmmm maybe i should have looked at the list before agreeing :
[05:02] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, am i leaving your one-line comments in?
[05:03] <elkbuntu> s/one/half/
[05:03] <Burgundavia> those are not my comments
[05:03] <elkbuntu> the articles need more than what is there, so i'll beef a bit
[05:08] <elkbuntu> poningru, see if you can figure out how to put more than half a line next to the openaddict review tihng
[05:08] <poningru> openaddict?
[05:09] <poningru> ah ok
[05:09] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, are we doing headings for each of the news stories or not?
[05:09] <elkbuntu> s/news/press/
[05:09] <Burgundavia> nope, no need to
[05:10] <poningru> oh...
[05:11] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: seeing as you appear to have some free time now
[05:12] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Small amount, if I can multitask
[05:12] <Burgundavia> sure
[05:12] <Burgundavia> can you cleanup the new versions from Debian?
[05:13] <Burgundavia> I need to do the rest of the feisty changes
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> The string of "Accepted"s we go you mean?
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> *got
[05:13] <poningru> Burgundavia: can you look through that cookie summary
[05:13] <poningru> see if thats how big you want it
[05:13] <poningru> should it go bigger?
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> IP?
[05:14] <Burgundavia> perfect
[05:14] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: see the 22 page on the wiki
[05:15] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, poningru's
[05:15] <elkbuntu> (look at his hostmask)
[05:16] <Burgundavia> for the record, I still have 140 emails from feisty-changes to go through
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> Jeepers.  My dad really needs a lesson in e-mail subject line writing.
[05:18] <poningru> waah?
[05:18] <poningru> oh yeah
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Do you have something in particular in mind for "cleaning up" this list?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: make certain we only list the upstream version number
[05:20] <Burgundavia> so X.X-Y <-- the Y is the debian version
[05:21] <Burgundavia> have it appname XX - description and/or url
[05:21] <Burgundavia> and put a star with a space on either side at the beginning of each line
[05:22] <poningru> do we wanna do the art-work article?
[05:22] <poningru> someone else do that
[05:22] <poningru> also someone who can speak dutch do https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-November/009381.html
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> Any reason some of these are indented an extra space or two?
[05:24] <Burgundavia> simply because of copying errors
[05:24] <tonyyarusso> Thought so, since I'm pretty sure the wiki ignores that anyway
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> There's a youtube dl app?  Cool
[05:31] <poningru> tonyyarusso: there is a youtube download firefox extension
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> I should get that
[05:33] <poningru> videodownloader
[05:33] <poningru> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
[05:34] <tonyyarusso> ty
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> What's a version number of 1.0.1.dsfg-1 mean?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> 1.0.1 upstream
[05:37] <Burgundavia> new tarball, because of non-free elements
[05:37] <Burgundavia> first debian version
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> ah
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> I knew the -1 part, but not dsfg
[06:00] <Burgundavia> can somebody write little pieces on those two mailing list posts in Feisty changes?
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> If something has part of the version # in the app name, do I keep it there?
[06:03] <Burgundavia> context?
[06:05] <elkbuntu> poningru, im guessing you're gone and gotten busy, so i'm taking over your section :
[06:06] <poningru> is cool
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: lsb-pkgchk3 3.0.3, mediawiki1.7 1.7.1
[06:08] <Burgundavia> right
[06:08] <Burgundavia> leave them
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[06:13] <poningru> elkbuntu: /me will start the spell checking
[06:16] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[06:17] <Madpilot> hi
[06:17] <elkbuntu> someone find a dutchman for the dutch thingie and the press is done
[06:17] <elkbuntu> afk
[06:21] <Madpilot> hunting dutchmen is -marketing's latest hobby?
[06:22] <poningru> elkbuntu++
[06:22] <poningru> bwhahaha
[06:23] <Burgundavia> asked in -nl
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> Someone's thinking - weird
[06:26] <poningru> uh...
[06:27] <poningru> we are discouraging easyubuntu?
[06:27] <poningru> or simple mistake?
[06:27] <Burgundavia> where?
[06:28] <poningru> just changed it
[06:28] <poningru> Another review has been published at http://www.openaddict.com/page.php?26 This review is of Ubuntu 6.10 on a Dell XPS M170 Laptop. The review is in-depth and has a slightly more technical format than the one above. The review also advocates the Use of EasyUbuntu, usage of which is encouraged over Automatix.
[06:28] <poningru> it was
[06:29] <poningru> Another review has been published at http://www.openaddict.com/page.php?26 This review is of Ubuntu 6.10 on a Dell XPS M170 Laptop. The review is in-depth and has a slightly more technical format than the one above. The review also advocates the Use of EasyUbuntu, which again, we discourage.
[06:29] <Burgundavia> we discourage both
[06:30] <poningru> we do?
[06:30] <poningru> why?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> they both duplicate existing functionality within Ubuntu are known to cause issues
[06:31] <poningru> obviously re: former charge.. the point is to make it more accesible for users, re: former didnt know easyubuntu caused issues
[06:31] <poningru> err latter
[06:32] <Burgundavia> "we discourage both, although EasyUbuntu is less likely to cause issues than Automatix"
[06:34] <poningru> k
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> Okay, there are 7 imports from Debian that don't have a URL/description still, but I got the versions and formatting done.  Could someone take care of that?  (I should get back to my electronics assignment)
[06:36] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[06:36] <Burgundavia> thanks tonyyarusso
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> yw
[06:36] <poningru> ready to go then
[06:36] <Burgundavia> about 75 left in my inbox to process
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> (Ubuntufy, poningru?)
[06:36] <poningru> :)
[06:36] <poningru> oh
[06:37] <poningru> Burgundavia: also we need the dutch translation thing
[06:37] <Burgundavia> yep, but I will drop that from this week if needed
[06:37] <poningru> yeah true that
[06:40] <Burgundavia> poningru: can you write about those two urls I put in the Feisty section?
[06:40] <poningru> looking
[06:45] <Burgundavia> poningru: that isn't really breaking from convention
[06:45] <poningru> k
[06:53] <Burgundavia> ah, crap, missed this weeks LWN
[06:54] <poningru> LWN?
[06:54] <Burgundavia> linux weekly news
[06:54] <poningru> you help write that too?
[06:54] <poningru> isnt that paid?
[06:55] <poningru> can someone run a quick spell check/grammar check on the stuff I wrote
[06:55] <Burgundavia> no, but I try and make it so that the UWN hits this weeks
[06:56] <Burgundavia> poningru: got it
[06:57] <poningru> sweet
[06:58] <imbrandon> k
[06:58] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: gobby.ubuntu.com ?
[06:58] <Burgundavia> nah, poningru's server
[06:58] <Burgundavia>  /whois poningru for the ip
[06:58] <imbrandon> k
[06:59] <poningru> yeah I had no idea how to write the bling para
[06:59] <imbrandon> session pass ?
[07:00] <imbrandon> poningru / Burgundavia ^
[07:00] <poningru> sorry
[07:00] <poningru> ufl@ftw
[07:01] <imbrandon> we're working on 22 right ? heheh , i get in this so late each week :)
[07:02] <poningru> Burgundavia: why'd you quit?
[07:03] <poningru> oh
[07:03] <Burgundavia_> grumble
[07:03] <Burgundavia_> machine hardlocked
[07:03] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:04] <imbrandon> hrm Burgundavia_ looking back really only kde 3.5.5a got uploaded
[07:05] <imbrandon> the rest was all small bug fixes
[07:05] <Burgundavia_> no, I have a bunch of kde-related apps
[07:05] <Burgundavia_> konversation, etc.
[07:05] <imbrandon> those are all sync'd
[07:05] <Burgundavia_> sync'd still gets talkeda bout
[07:05] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[07:06] <poningru> :)
[07:06] <poningru> we nitpick
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> I'm still confused about this "Desktop Bling" stuff - I have an ATI card - what will happen for me?
[07:09] <poningru> no clue... alteast mathewgarrett doesnt know
[07:10] <poningru> Burgundavia_: where were you going with that bling?
[07:11] <Burgundavia_> out back, to shoot it
[07:11] <elkbuntu> poningru, re easyubuntu and automatix... we frown on both equally, for diplomatic reasons that are completely lost on the automatix crowd anyway
[07:11] <poningru> err the latter of which is...
[07:11] <poningru> hmm
[07:11] <poningru> ROFL
[07:11] <poningru> I like mine well done
[07:12] <elkbuntu> yeah, if i find half-baked bling on my plate, i will not be happy
[07:13] <poningru> yeah make sure to use the AIGLX sauce
[07:13] <poningru> that old XGL sauce just doesnt cut it anymore
[07:13] <Burgundavia_> too odd a taste
[07:14] <poningru> indeed
[07:15] <imbrandon> because compize was arround first , is stable(er) and  someone cared enough to package it properly :)
[07:15] <Burgundavia_> because compiz is only mild crack and beryl is full on ragging not-coming-back-from-this-trip crack
[07:15] <Burgundavia_> raging, rather
[07:15] <imbrandon> hahaha exactly
[07:15] <imbrandon> i was trying to say it diplomaticly
[07:15] <imbrandon> but Burgundavia_ hit the nail on the head
[07:16] <elkbuntu> you only have to meet quinn storm in person to understand what happened
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: Is that a final decision, or a how things stand now at the initial sync stage decision?
[07:16] <Burgundavia_> why so?
[07:16] <Burgundavia_> tonyyarusso: it is a fight between the world and mark
[07:16] <imbrandon> you only have to ask him a few simple questions "why did you fork compiz" in the BoF to see why also
[07:16] <Burgundavia_> the rest of the dev team is wants compiz, at the most
[07:16] <elkbuntu> he... err.. she is... an interesting character
[07:17] <poningru> rofl
[07:17] <Burgundavia_> and given they upload to Ubuntu...
[07:17] <Burgundavia_> so basically, the dev team is trying to do and end run around Mark by putting in compiz first and seeing if it sticks
[07:18] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: nothing i say is "official" but i was in the room when the decisions were being made and i can assure you it will be a cold day in hell when beryl is default in feisty
[07:18] <imbrandon> Burgundavia_: compiz was in ubuntu before beryl forked
[07:18] <Burgundavia_> imbrandon: yes, but the compiz was mostly beryl for a while
[07:19] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: true, thats when there was only one crack
[07:19] <elkbuntu> and i think we should drop this here...
[07:19] <elkbuntu> before we say bad things
[07:19] <imbrandon> but still its not the dev's trying to go arround mark, i think we finaly convinced him at UDS how crackfull it was, and how he made a technical decision without looking at the technical end
[07:20] <imbrandon> but anyhow , its all crack and needs to die basicly imho untill it can be proven to work reliably for more than a week on 4 systems
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I think this whole binary driver thing is going to die as well
[07:20] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: :)
[07:21] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: yea i think so too, i can only hope on that one
[07:21] <poningru> Burgundavia: sweet
[07:21] <Burgundavia> I expect the reason that AcceleratedX has not been approved is because mdz is having a raging battle with Mark right now
[07:21] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: yea
[07:21] <imbrandon> mdz and scott both
[07:22] <elkbuntu> and anyone with a clue in a position to do so
[07:22] <poningru> can someone check through the bling thing
[07:22] <imbrandon> hrm, i need to become a better writer, i cant think of any more kde hotness this week, i should start this brainstorm as soon as the old UWN is out each time
[07:23] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:23] <Burgundavia> the wiki page has been up for a week now
[07:23] <imbrandon> elkbuntu / Burgundavia , mind proofing 41 , while i dig some more kubuntu stuff up
[07:23] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: can you do that? few more bits of uploads
[07:23] <elkbuntu> already on it
[07:25] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:25] <imbrandon> i always try to use green, my fav color ( just not that shade )
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> I need to pick a good color and stick with it - I'm a different one every time
[07:26] <poningru> hehe
[07:26] <poningru> your client should remember
[07:26] <Burgundavia> I am almost always the light blue
[07:26] <imbrandon> looks purple here, might be my mopnitor
[07:26] <imbrandon> monitor*
[07:27] <Burgundavia> must be that KDE crack :)
[07:27] <elkbuntu> and i seem to go pink...
[07:28] <poningru> hehe /me is always orange
[07:28] <elkbuntu> one of the first gobby sessions, it was literally the boys all in blues, and me in pink :-/
[07:29] <poningru> rofl
[07:29] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, remember that?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> not really
[07:30] <Burgundavia> my memory is a seive
[07:30] <elkbuntu> you pointed it out, i hadnt noticed it until you said it either
[07:30] <elkbuntu> aaaaanyway
[07:31] <poningru> ...
[07:31] <poningru> removing dutch thingy
[07:31] <poningru> objections?
[07:31] <elkbuntu> leave it until we know if we can find a translator
[07:31] <Burgundavia> poningru: got me a dutch speaker
[07:32] <poningru> blargh?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> he is incoming
[07:32] <Madpilot> still hunting Dutchmen?
[07:32] <poningru> Madpilot: no dude we were hunting bling
[07:32] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you really don't read your own loco teams channel, do you?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> and he arrives
[07:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I just got back from being afk, so no, I haven't
[07:32] <poningru> dutchmen were coming for dinner
[07:32] <Burgundavia> hey matjan
[07:32] <poningru> *** Dutch translation assistance needed*** https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-November/009381.html
[07:33] <matjan> hey
[07:33] <elkbuntu> make us a lovely story and we'll.. um.. shower you with huggles!
[07:35] <matjan> elkbuntu, you were talking to me?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you still proofing?'
[07:35] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i'll be back to it in a sec
[07:35] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:36] <matjan> ahhh.. JanC
[07:36] <matjan> the usual suspects
[07:38] <Burgundavia> can somebody write that upcoming events article?
[07:38] <matjan> Burgundavia, so what needs translation?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> matjan: See the URL poningru posted
[07:39] <Burgundavia> what does the new article say?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> anything different from the mail?
[07:40] <matjan> you mean the first link in JanC's post?
[07:40] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:40] <matjan> let me check
[07:41] <Burgundavia> anybody missing from the credits?
[07:42] <matjan> what is translated in the JanC's post is only the first paragraph of that article
[07:42] <elkbuntu> matjan, we would like the whole article :)
[07:43] <matjan> ok, before when?
[07:43] <matjan> and will someone else proofread?
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> Is our translator in the credits?
[07:43] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, when are you sending this edition forth?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: in an hour
[07:44] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: once he tells me his full name
[07:44] <elkbuntu> matjan, can you do it in an hour?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> matjan: we just need the gist, to write a short summary
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> I'm amused by the English spelling debate we seem to have on line 29
[07:45] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, has it been changed again?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> can anybody make heads or tails of the post sent to the marketing list?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> the mint and pclinuxos one?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> s/?//
[07:46] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: It's at z now
[07:46] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: UCK is z
[07:46] <matjan> elkbuntu, it is already 1.50aqm here, and i am also working on some other stuff...
[07:46] <Burgundavia> so we now have one of each
[07:47] <Burgundavia> matjan: ok, quick summary, do the rest of the paragraphs change anything from the first one?
[07:47] <elkbuntu> are you meaning in 'customise'
[07:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: No idea - first off, it's at #51
[07:48] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:48] <Burgundavia> mint has hit #1, but I don't expect that to last
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> I think this person missed the point that "Linux is not Windows"
[07:49] <matjan> Burgundavia, the second paragrah describes how the software was selected, that thre are no server apps, and there is a windoeze and a linux version (linux being breezy)
[07:50] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[07:50] <Burgundavia> that is enough for us, thanks
[07:51] <Burgundavia> I see only proofreading after that. Anybody else?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> matjan: what is your full name? I need it for the credits
[07:52] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i've sent my eyes over it, but someone needs to go over again focussing on the pink stuff.. and hopefully not americanise everything
[07:52] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:52] <matjan> Burgundavia, third paragraph describes in a bit more detail what 3 sorts of software that are present: 1. educational, 2. general use (office apps etc.), 3. open educational tools (information sharing, etc)
[07:53] <matjan> Burgundavia, matty janssen
[07:53] <Burgundavia> perfect
[07:54] <poningru> elkbuntu: hehe that z was me :p
[07:54] <elkbuntu> poningru, listen to the canadian and the australian, use s :
[07:54] <Burgundavia> 'ecept canada uses z
[07:55] <poningru> indeed
[07:55] <elkbuntu> but you changed it back
[07:55] <poningru> meh
[07:55] <poningru> brits use s
[07:55] <matjan> Burgundavia, ok, cool
[07:55] <elkbuntu> poningru, we write the newsletter in english, not american
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Wait, they do?  The ca spellchecking stuff says s, so that's what I've been trying to adapt to.
[07:56] <poningru> blargh?
[07:56] <poningru> american english is english
[07:56] <poningru> :p
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Sorry, as an American, I'm agreeing with the other folks.  Might as well do it the way the entire planet but us do.
[07:57] <elkbuntu> poningru, no.. american english is american
[07:57] <poningru> oh no I was agreeing with them also
[07:57] <poningru> I was just 'ruffling my feathers'
[07:57] <elkbuntu> the same as australian english is australian.
[07:58] <poningru> i...c
[07:58] <Burgundavia> ok, final spell check everybody
[08:03] <Burgundavia> anybody still editing?
[08:03] <poningru> reading
[08:03] <poningru> oh yeah its good
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ok, I need to do some dishes, so I will be back in 10 or so
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> Not I, said the dinosaur
[08:04] <poningru> yuhuh you have to do the dishes
[08:09] <poningru> nn guys
[08:11] <matjan> Burgundavia, where is the weekly news available?
[08:12] <elkbuntu> matjan, always on the wiki, and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/
[08:13] <matjan> elkbuntu, ok, thanks
[08:16] <Burgundavia> copying back to the wiki. Any objections?
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> nope
[08:18] <Burgundavia> you realize we right the largest and most reguarly published distro weekly news?
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> s/right/write/
[08:18] <tonyyarusso> I didn't know that
[08:18] <Burgundavia> right
[08:18] <Burgundavia> DWN is dead
[08:18] <Burgundavia> GWN is intermittent
[08:19] <Burgundavia> FWN is pretty short
[08:19] <elkbuntu> we rock
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> as usual
[08:21] <Burgundavia> and away
[08:25] <Burgundavia> can somebody write a short piece for the fridge?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> I can post it if somebody writes up something
[08:25] <matjan> Burgundavia, if you need some more dutch to english translation for the UWN, just let me know...
[08:25] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: what are you looking for?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> matjan: cool, tahnks
[08:26] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: look at previous articles for the fridge
[08:26] <matjan> Burgundavia, cool to see my name listed there ;)
[08:26] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ? followup of same content?
[08:26] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, is the piece for the fridge allowed to laugh at the other *WNs?
[08:26] <Burgundavia> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/631
[08:26] <lotusleaf> thx
[08:26] <Burgundavia> something similar to that
[08:26] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: no
[08:27] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, awww.. you ruin all the fun
[08:27] <Burgundavia> and you want to violate the CoC
[08:27] <elkbuntu> and you think i was at any point serious... shame
[08:27] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: just a summary?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> yep, just like that
[08:28] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: no context in irc
[08:28] <lotusleaf> typo!: "Go some news?"
[08:28] <lotusleaf> :)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> where?
[08:29] <lotusleaf> last part of above link u referenced
[08:30] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, you ought to know me better by now though
[08:30] <Burgundavia> I should
[08:30] <Burgundavia> right
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> .....
[08:31] <cafuego> re Burgundavia's request in #ubuntu-nl :-)
[08:31] <Burgundavia> cafuego: welcome. Our need for a translator has passed, due to the excellent efforts of matjan
[08:32] <cafuego> Cool. I was just saying I'd love to, but have no time for a few days to come
[08:33] <Burgundavia> thanks for coming by
[08:33] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, has anyone put a call over the loco-contacts list yet?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I am sure we can rope you into something
[08:34] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: for which?
[08:34] <Burgundavia> general translations?
[08:34] <cafuego> matjan: purrima :-)
[08:34] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, encouraging locos to send stuff to us
[08:34] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: can you?
[08:34] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, was just thinking about it, yeah
[08:36] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i'll include a call for translations as well
[08:36] <Burgundavia> mention that we are looking at translations right now
[08:37] <elkbuntu> yep
[08:37] <lotusleaf> did anyone ever followup on the attempt to get the roughtcut poster mentioned on boingboing?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:38] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: how you doing?
[08:38] <lotusleaf> I think it was poningru who was emailing people
[08:38] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I haven't started on the summary, not sure what to base it on this time, is there a list of topics you'd like referenced as per the list in the fridge for last time?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> look at UWN 23, grab some interesting topics and summarise it
[08:39] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: k thx! :)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:41] <Burgundavia> poningru: when you wake up, can you cleanup the gobby session?
[08:42] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: linky to wip for #23? @ gobby loc?
[08:42] <Burgundavia> uwn 23 is now live
[08:42] <Burgundavia> on the wii
[08:42] <Burgundavia> wiki
[08:42] <lotusleaf> k thx
[08:43] <lotusleaf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue23 ??
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> yes
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> wait...
[08:44] <elkbuntu> http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonoBacon/
[08:45] <Burgundavia> hmm, forgot about that
[08:45] <Burgundavia> next week
[08:45] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: where do I take a summary from, it looks like it's blank in the above url I referenced
[08:45] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: need to write it
[08:45] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, push it to the fridge too
[08:45] <Burgundavia> sorry , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22
[08:45] <lotusleaf> ah! :) thank you
[08:45] <lotusleaf> so pull summary from #22 items?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:46] <lotusleaf> k thx
[08:46] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:47] <lotusleaf> so you post summaries of UWN 3 days or so following the release #?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> no, asap
[08:48] <Burgundavia> challenge is finding an editor
[08:48] <lotusleaf> ah
[08:48] <lotusleaf> lemmie see what I can slap together
[08:48] <Burgundavia> mostly I have been lazy and have not yet sorted my editing account
[08:49] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: hey, man, the more ppl who can make your work load lighter, the better, right? :)
[08:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> Uh oh...
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> That upgrade did not go well
[08:52] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, where should i get them to send info to? -marketing list or....?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> marketing list is good
[08:54] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LookingFowardAtFeisty <-- next big project
[08:54] <Burgundavia> feel free to start writing on this one
[08:54] <Burgundavia> what were the alpha releases in edgy called?
[08:55] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: will there be a UWN over the holidays?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> of course
[08:55] <lotusleaf> k thx
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Knots.....  Didn't you _write_ the Knot reviews?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> yes, yes I did
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> Wow....
[08:57] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: are links within the fridge <a href=" "> blah </a> ?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> afaik, yes
[08:57] <lotusleaf> or should I just write (link) for you to include link
[08:57] <lotusleaf> k thx
[08:58] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:03] <lotusleaf> "Feisty on the Schedule" or should it be "Feisty on Schedule" ?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> the latter
[09:04] <lotusleaf> right, you may want to fix that title on first item on #22 under GCN
[09:04] <Burgundavia> can you change it?
[09:04] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I've never edited the wiki before, do I need an account or just launchpad?
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: Minor punctuation issues.
[09:05] <Burgundavia> just lp
[09:05] <lotusleaf> k thx
[09:05] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: fix it up
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> Will do - lotusleaf, let me know when you're done so I don't mess up your changes
[09:05] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: k thx just gimmie a few mins, first time touching the wiki :)
[09:08] <lotusleaf> ack.. have to set default prefs..   I made a formatting booboo on the USNs too.
[09:11] <Burgundavia> that you did
[09:11] <Burgundavia> luckily that only shows up on the wiki, not on the email
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> Yeah really.
[09:13] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: correction made, proceed :)
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Grazie
[09:15] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: does it show IP in public view as well for user?
[09:15] <Burgundavia> IP?
[09:15] <lotusleaf> IP address
[09:15] <Burgundavia> public view for user? sorry, slowing down here
[09:15] <lotusleaf> in last edited section date time user
[09:15] <lotusleaf> when I mouse over the username it shows IP
[09:16] <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea
[09:17] <lotusleaf> perhaps it's just for my current session or for logged in users
[09:17] <lotusleaf> k thx
[09:17] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: email me your stuff
[09:17] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: modding the wiki took time away, I'll have to get back to that now for the summary, I'll paste bin it
[09:18] <Burgundavia> just email me, as I am going to sleep now
[09:18] <lotusleaf> going back to work on that summary now ;)
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> All better.
[09:21] <lotusleaf> yup, it shows ips public ;P
[09:21] <lotusleaf> hmm.. so it's not like wikipedia in that respect
[09:23] <lotusleaf> yup, mouseover usernames without logging in, all show up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue22?action=info
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> Well, at least now it show my IP instead of yours, and I really don't care
[09:24] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: it shows mine in the url I referenced above ^^^
[09:24] <tonyyarusso> so it does
[09:26] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: well, I do care cuz now it's g00gl3able. ;(
[09:27] <tonyyarusso> Bah, oh well
[09:29] <lotusleaf> indeed
[10:00] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: still awake? :)
[10:13] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: ping?
[10:13] <Madpilot> lotusleaf, pong - was just about to crash for the night
[10:13] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: roger that, just had a gfx editor question re: roughcut designs
[10:14] <Madpilot> hmm?
[10:14] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: what's the best editor to use to make cool banner designs?
[10:14] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: or nifty thumbnails for websites
[10:15] <Madpilot> probably the GIMP, if you just want to work with the existing images. Otherwise, Inkscape.
[10:15] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: k, thx, gonna check some tutorials, have a good one =)
[10:15] <Madpilot> np.
[10:16] <Madpilot> I will get that new banner for your website done by the end of this week, BTW.
[10:16] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: thx, no rush, even if it takes you a year or so ;)
[10:16] <Madpilot> no, you should have them by Saturday.
[10:17] <lotusleaf> =) Awesome, thx
[10:17] <Madpilot> np. Now, I need sleep. Work expects me to get up far to early.
[10:17] <Madpilot> like, before 11am. ;)
[10:17] <lotusleaf> Madpilot: ha, have a good one
[10:37] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: welcome back
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> :)
[10:37] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: well my first tiny go at the ubuntu wiki was painless enough, and a little fun ;)
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> lotusleaf: Good for you!
[10:37] <lotusleaf> (=
[10:38] <elkbuntu> lotusleaf, have you made yourself a wikipage yet?
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> It's really not so bad for a while, and then you try to do something that should be simple, but is totally not intuitive - like unwikifying a NonWikiWord that it mistakenly assumes must be a WikiWord
[10:38] <elkbuntu> `` is your friend
[10:38] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: ya? :P
[10:39] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: So I learned, but seriously, that's a whacked punctuation.
[10:39] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, every wiki has it's quirks
[10:39] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: `` ? I see I have much to learn. About the only wiki I've edited before now was Wikipedia.
[10:39] <lotusleaf> tonyyarusso: I'll stick with the light stuff, then. =)
[10:39] <elkbuntu> lotusleaf, making yourself a wiki page is a good excuse to learn the wiki and experiment a bit, without imploding other people's work :)
[10:40] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: ha, no doubt, thanks ;)
[10:40] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: does that include making an ascii lotus leaf picture?
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> If you want
[10:41] <lotusleaf> r0x0r
[10:41] <jenda> Learning the wiki is a good excuse to implode other peoples work, unless you start with making yourself a wiki page.
[10:41] <jenda> }:->
[10:41] <lotusleaf> ?!?! <-- floats above head
[10:41] <lotusleaf> how about an #ubuntu-marketing-offtopic ? :)
[10:42] <jenda> hehe :) please no. We have too many channels already.
[10:42] <lotusleaf> jenda: d'oh, too late. j/k ;)
[10:42] <lotusleaf> I have many an offtopic yet marketing related comment or question, I just don't know where to put it
[10:47] <jenda> if it's marketing related, it's not offopic.
[11:57] <danbuch929> I've already submitted a more detailed message via the mailing list about this, but for all who are interested, the current version of the DIY Marketing website is ready for a round of criticism: http://diy.devubuntu.com/
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> woohoo
[12:04] <danbuch929> is that a vote of confidence?  :-)
[12:06] <tonyyarusso> I haven't looked yet, it's just cool that it exists
[12:08] <danbuch929> ah, good...  yes, I'm thrilled that it's moving along.  Jenda's been a wonderful mentor to this noob.
[12:09] <danbuch929> for those that use bzr, I've just pushed out a revision of all the sources, too
[12:14] <elkbuntu> nice
[02:12] <jenda> woo :)
[02:28] <lotusleaf> jenda: wee
[02:29] <lotusleaf> jenda: you around? I have a question re: wiki editing, very simple one
[02:29] <jenda> go on?
[02:30] <lotusleaf> jenda: thanks, I noticed some outdated information on a kubuntu wiki and I thought about correcting it, should I dive right in or msg a kubuntu person? I tried imbrandon but he's afk it seems. I'm new to editing *buntu wikis and wondered if the approach should be 'ask first' or dive right in?
[02:31] <jenda> dive right in.
[02:31] <lotusleaf> jenda: roger that, thx =)
[02:31] <lotusleaf> jenda: sell all your posters?
[02:31] <jenda> The kubuntu people will be notified automatically, and if you screw up, you're in trouble :)
[02:31] <lotusleaf> hahaha :)
[02:31] <jenda> however, the wiki can easily be reverted, so no biggie.
[02:31] <lotusleaf> cool =) thx for the extra info
[02:31] <jenda> 178 posters left.
[02:32] <lotusleaf> cool, someone should change the # on the ubuntuforums green header info thing
[02:32] <lotusleaf> that would drive up demand
[02:32] <lotusleaf> :)
[02:32] <lotusleaf> only ### remaining!
[02:32] <jenda> hhe :)
[02:32] <lotusleaf> 8)
[02:32] <jenda> I have that in the thread, but I can't bother them admins each time someone buys :)
[02:33] <jenda> I'll get the number changed once we are under 100
[02:33] <lotusleaf> jenda: ha, true. :) have you thought about setting up some type of official ubuntu marketing on-line store?
[02:33] <lotusleaf> jenda: you know, like cafepress but done differently?
[02:33] <jenda> that's kind-of the diy site
[02:33] <lotusleaf> ah! :)
[02:33] <jenda> but it will also offer downloads.
[02:33] <lotusleaf> awesome
[02:33] <jenda> And the entire point is that the material is done _unofficially_
[02:34] <lotusleaf> ya
[02:34] <lotusleaf> I'd like to see an ubuntu logo hoola hoop :)
[02:34] <jenda> as in, it's the manufacturer himself who manages all the quality control and finances, and thus eliminates the need for a QA team and a financial apparatus, reducing the strain on Ubuntu
[02:34] <jenda> and throwing it on the producer...
[02:34] <lotusleaf> ah, very true
[02:34] <jenda> ...who is me, currently :/
[02:35] <lotusleaf> jenda: do you ever take a vacation? :)
[02:35] <jenda> No :)
[02:35] <lotusleaf> :-)
[02:35] <jenda> But I try to study in the meantime.
[02:35] <lotusleaf> that's good
[02:36] <lotusleaf> thanks again for the help
[02:36] <jenda> yw :)
[05:02] <poningru> waah
[05:03] <lotusleaf> poningru: what seems to be the problem?
[05:04] <poningru> rofl
[05:04] <poningru> actually that was another form of wtf
[05:04] <poningru> or what?
[05:05] <lotusleaf> poningru: no boingboing magic :(
[05:05] <lotusleaf> poningru: but hey, news about a 90 year old blogger, cool! :P
[05:06] <poningru> I know :(
[05:06] <lotusleaf> oh well, we tried =)
[05:07] <lotusleaf> I wonder if Wil Wheaton uses Ubuntu
[05:10] <poningru> no I am gonna try again
[05:10] <poningru> brb
[05:11] <lotusleaf> yeah? cool!
[07:13] <dr_nick> hi everybody!
[07:13] <lotusleaf> what's up doc?
[07:14] <tsmithe> that's all wrong
[07:14] <tsmithe> you're supposed hi say "hi dr. nick"
[07:14] <tsmithe> do you not watch the simpsons?!
[07:14] <lotusleaf> tomorrow on #ubuntu-drama, dr_nick and disco stu trade chewing gum as the sun sets
[07:15] <lotusleaf> I used to watch simpsons, especially in #ubuntu-offtopic ;-)
[07:15] <tsmithe> what?
[07:16] <lotusleaf> tsmithe: this channel is logged, I don't want to fill it with unrelated offtopic ;)
[07:16] <tsmithe> ok
[07:16] <tsmithe> sorry jenda
[10:47] <tsmithe> @lart jenda for the hell of it
[10:47] <tsmithe> damn
[10:47] <tsmithe> no Ubugtu
[10:48] <elkbuntu> for a very good reason
[10:59] <poningru> blargh
[11:03] <tsmithe> elkbuntu, yes... "good"... "reason"...
[11:03] <tsmithe> indeed...
[11:03] <tsmithe> i'm sure...
[11:03] <tsmithe> "good"
[11:05] <tsmithe> bah
[11:09] <poningru> blargh?
[11:09] <poningru> you know we should get this press team thing started up
[11:09] <poningru> I mean granted ceo is the biggest marketing person for a company
[11:10] <poningru> but still sabdfl shouldnt have to do all the work...
[11:10] <elkbuntu> poningru, i think it's a bit more complicated than that
[11:10] <poningru> well yeah
[11:10] <poningru> I wanted to start with local press
[11:11] <tsmithe> press team
[11:11] <tsmithe> count me
[11:11] <poningru> in?
[11:11] <tsmithe> in
[11:11] <poningru> :p
[11:11] <tsmithe> yes in
[11:11] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam
[11:12] <poningru> we need to change mathew as lead
[11:12] <poningru> if no one is willing to step up
[11:12] <poningru> I am willing to do it
[11:12] <tsmithe> i am also... but i have no time
[11:12] <tsmithe> so i am a bad choice
[11:12] <poningru> the problem is
[11:12] <tsmithe> don't pick me
[11:12] <tsmithe> yes, poningru
[11:13] <poningru> I will be absent sometimes I will be absent for like 2 weeks or so
[11:13] <poningru> due to tests/papers
[11:13] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK
[11:13] <poningru> that is what I wanted to push for edgy
[11:13] <tsmithe> same
[11:13] <tsmithe> o
[11:13] <tsmithe> k
[11:13] <poningru> but I never got to it
[11:14] <poningru> and so I am thinking lets do that for Feisty
[11:14] <tsmithe> i can write a "press release" with ease
[11:15] <poningru> yeah I think canonical writes the press releases
[11:15] <tsmithe> damn
[11:15] <tsmithe> so what's that page in aid of
[11:15] <poningru> the problem is getting them to the local pres
[11:15] <poningru> s
[11:15] <tsmithe> i'd write my own
[11:15] <poningru> yeah... except we have to talk to canonical about this
[11:15] <tsmithe> every loco team should have a press-release-dude who sends out these to the local press
[11:15] <poningru> Burgwork^^
[11:16] <tsmithe> even if it's just the standard canonical (pun, eh!) release
[11:16] <poningru> err that should have been for jono except he isnt here
[11:16] <Burgwork> right
[11:16] <poningru> right translation etc. for the local press
[11:16] <Burgwork> the press team should go a collect somebody from each loco to help them get into the local press
[11:17] <tsmithe> that's what i said
[11:18] <tsmithe> any other points, any one?
[11:18] <tsmithe> this should have a spec
[11:18] <poningru> when is loco team meeting?
[11:18] <Burgwork> you need to go to each loco team and ask them
[11:18] <tsmithe> not during school heures hopefully
[11:20] <tsmithe> indeed
[11:21] <poningru> tsmithe: can you add howto write your own press release onto that page?
[11:21] <poningru> the EPK
[11:21] <tsmithe> poningru, i will, maybe tomorrow
[11:21] <poningru> cool thanks
[11:21] <tsmithe> gotta go to bed. do homework
[11:21] <tsmithe> etc
[11:21] <poningru> I will talk to jono or elkbuntu
[11:21] <poningru> true
[11:21] <poningru> where are you from?
[11:21] <tsmithe> kent
[11:22] <poningru> kent?
[11:22] <tsmithe> you should know where it is
[11:22] <tsmithe> i know where florida is
[11:22] <poningru> too many kents around dude
[11:22] <tsmithe> *the* kent
[11:22] <tsmithe> original
[11:22] <poningru> like the one in UK?
[11:22] <elkbuntu> poningru, the guy has .uk hostmask
[11:22] <tsmithe> not like
[11:22] <poningru> or the one in US
[11:22] <poningru> oh...
[11:23] <tsmithe> there is only one kent
[11:23] <poningru> :(
[11:23] <poningru> hehe
[11:23] <poningru> there is a kent in the US
[11:23] <tsmithe> it's fickle
[11:23] <poningru> somewhere in northern US near the lakes iirc
[11:24] <poningru> anyway should we write up a spec for this?
[11:24] <tsmithe> yes
[11:25] <tsmithe> loco-press-releases?
[11:25] <poningru> yeah allows us to communicate with canonical much easier
[11:25] <poningru> sounds good
[11:25] <tsmithe> indeed
[11:25] <poningru> I will work on that today
[11:25] <tsmithe> it should have the contents of EPK on it?
[11:25] <poningru> hmm that was mostly written up to help people
[11:25] <poningru> the spec should have more than that
[11:25] <tsmithe> Indeed, but: Implementation
[11:25] <poningru> as in what we are trying to accomplish etc.
[11:26] <poningru> arr?
[11:26] <tsmithe> e-mail me the address of the spec
[11:26] <elkbuntu> poningru, how's your loco going?
[11:26] <poningru> k
[11:26] <poningru> elkbuntu: hehe
[11:28] <poningru> elkbuntu: would it be possible for you to talk to jono? I would... its just I have no clue how to contact him except through email
[11:28] <elkbuntu> talk to him about what?
[11:28] <poningru> the spec
[11:28] <poningru> err nm
[11:28] <poningru> I will email to the loco team
[11:28] <poningru> list
[11:29] <tsmithe> which loco team?
[11:29] <elkbuntu> tsmithe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:29] <poningru> THE loco list
[11:29] <tsmithe> oh right
[11:29] <poningru> yeah
[11:29] <tsmithe> i better sign up to that list
[11:30] <poningru> hehe
[11:30] <poningru> yeah I will work on this tonight
[11:30] <tsmithe> tonight or today?
[11:30] <poningru> err its only 1730 here
[11:30] <tsmithe> ah... i dunno ;)
[11:30] <poningru> so toinght
[11:31] <poningru> err tonight
[11:31] <tsmithe> lol
[11:31] <poningru> ooh nice
[11:31] <tsmithe> how'd it go?
[11:31] <poningru> jenda: physical meeting? 0.o
[11:31] <tsmithe> sounds like it
[11:31] <tsmithe> to get back from...
[11:31] <elkbuntu> you people with tiny countries are so lucky
[11:31] <poningru> yeah
[11:31] <jenda> poningru: yes!
[11:31] <tsmithe> wow
[11:31] <jenda> there were...
[11:32] <jenda> an unbelievable..
[11:32] <jenda> 5 of us!!!
[11:32] <tsmithe> elkbuntu, is england tiny in your reckoning?
[11:32] <poningru> tsmithe: very
[11:32] <elkbuntu> tsmithe, yes
[11:32] <Burgwork> all you people have it easy
[11:32] <Burgwork> I have people seperated by 6000km
[11:32] <tsmithe> which people?
[11:32] <poningru> hah the US is frackin huge
[11:32] <poningru> rofl
[11:32] <tsmithe> yeah...
[11:32] <tsmithe> but for a place hundreds of times the size
[11:32] <tsmithe> it only has 5x the population
[11:32] <tsmithe> so england is more crowded
[11:32] <poningru> true
[11:33] <poningru> jenda: where was it?
[11:33] <poningru> which city?
[11:34] <jenda> poningru: you assume right
[11:34] <jenda> We don't have any other cities:)
[11:34] <poningru> hehe
[11:34] <elkbuntu> Burgwork, all due respect dude.. perth -- sydney isnt a whole lot better... the actual milage becomes a moot point when it takes more than a day to drive
[11:34] <jenda> In fact, Prague is the biggest village ;)
[11:34] <poningru> rofl
[11:34] <tsmithe> i live on a farm ;)
[11:34] <Burgwork> elkbuntu:  but most of your population is in one strip
[11:35] <elkbuntu> a doglegged one
[11:35] <tsmithe> meh
[11:35] <tsmithe> i'm off
[11:35] <elkbuntu> actually.. a dog leg with two knees
[11:35] <tsmithe> will help with loco-press-releases tomorrow
[11:36] <poningru> nn dude
[11:36] <tsmithe> coolio
[11:36] <poningru> Burgwork: look who's talking
[11:36] <poningru> canada is an entire strip
[11:36] <poningru> population of*
[11:36] <Burgwork> east coast of aussie is shorter than the canadian one
[11:37] <poningru> its a very wide strip but still...
[11:37] <poningru> hmm true
[11:37] <elkbuntu> Burgwork, adelaide is quite fruitful for us too, you know
[11:37] <poningru> hehe I have a friend in adelaide
[11:38] <poningru> originally from sydney
[11:38] <poningru> he runs plugindoc for mofo
[11:48] <elkbuntu> Burgwork, when this finally loads, it's probably about a third of our LoCo Population irc+list http://www.frappr.com/UbuntuAustralianTeam
[11:49] <jenda> elkbuntu: no forum?
[11:49] <elkbuntu> jenda, going through the debating about whether we need one
[11:49] <elkbuntu> jenda, we tend to speak the same language as ubuntuforums.org
[11:49] <jenda> indeed
[11:49] <jenda> you can request an english subforum there, though, if you want :)
[11:50] <jenda> Many english-speaking teams have.
[11:50] <elkbuntu> jenda, yes, but i am highly cautious about getting involved with ubuntuforums at the moment
[11:51] <poningru> yeah same here
[11:51] <poningru> I dont have good experience
[11:51] <poningru> with the admin
[11:51] <elkbuntu> poningru, for completely different reasons
[11:52] <elkbuntu> well.. mostly different
[11:52] <jenda> poningru: it's changed a lot :)
[11:52] <jenda> (ever since I'm staff)
[11:52] <poningru> woah
[11:52] <jenda> :-D
[11:52] <jenda> just kidding - I had little impact
[11:52] <poningru> cc just put up an office in brisbane
[11:53] <elkbuntu> poningru, ooh?
[11:53] <poningru> http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/6159


[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[13:03] <icey_> howdy
[13:03] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[16:39] <olbi> hello :)
[17:18] <pleia2> some xubuntu love here http://www.ainer.org/ubuntu-alternatives-xfce-having-a-go-with-fedora-16
[17:23] <olbi> Fedora 16 with Xfce look ugly :P
[17:24] <olbi> Xubuntu and LMDE Xfce looks better
[17:26] <Sysi> like article says, fedora has upstream xfce defaults
[17:27] <Sysi> that bug with nvidia in selinux-problem, it's actually trivial to fix ..once you know what to do
[17:40] <astraljava> Sysi: You just described about 99.74% of world's IT problems.
[17:52] <Sysi> astraljava: basically all, "what to do" just varies really much
[17:54] <astraljava> Well, not all that much. The bulk of the work is always finding out the problem.
[20:55] <pleia2> ordered some round xubuntu stickers from moo.com, once I receive them and confirm their awesomeness I'll add instructions to the wiki (or site?) about how to order some yourself
[20:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: Ubuntu just seeded gvfs-bin to make sure gnome-open is available, does xdg-open use exo for us or do we need this change as well?
[20:57] <micahg> we happen to get gvfs-bin for free at the moment due to gthumb
[22:24] <olbi> is there possible to add translated files of xfce 4.8 from i.e. todays to near updates?


[02:50] <Wensin> Hola
[20:40] <Towser> How would I set up https://docs.phillycommunitywireless.org/en/latest/device-configs/shared-connection in Lubuntu?
 Hey all I am new to Ubuntu and just installed lubuntu on my desktop and I ran into an error when I tried to install a program which said something like GLIBC_Private not found. So I tried to install just Glibc and had to install gawk flex and bison then I tried to install glibc again and got this error
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/49fad835/file_9585.jpg
 Any ideas?
[23:48] <kc2bez[m]> @AngryAutos what version of Lubuntu are you running and what were you trying to install?


[00:00] <Will123456> zgreg: good thinking - we're the best bug squashing team in town
[00:01] <Will123456> zgreg: on my nvidia machine the blur still works when triggering the bug
[00:01] <zgreg> it looks very strange, here: http://i.imgur.com/WmzI8.png
[00:01] <Will123456> yeah... that is weird. let me get a screenshot of my own screen
[00:02] <zgreg> anyway, can you post a bug report? I
[00:02] <zgreg> am the lazy today
[00:02] <Will123456> sure thing. i'll grab the screenshot then write one up and link it here
[00:07] <Will123456> looks like it's already been reported here
[00:07] <Will123456> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/987674
[00:07] <Will123456> adding your screenshot would help
[00:08] <zgreg> yeah, I'll do that
[00:11] <Will123456> whoops, looks like i had also reported this then forgot i had done so :P
[00:11] <Will123456> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/985083
[00:11] <Will123456> i guess it's a duplicate
[00:13] <Will123456> zgreg: i think we've got that one wrapped up
[00:13] <Will123456> high five etc.
[00:13] <zgreg> hehe
[00:13] <Will123456> so how does the non-GLSL codepath in Nux do dash blurring?
[00:14] <zgreg> it's a bit different because it's doing the blur only at 1/4 the background's resolution
[00:14] <Will123456> ah right
[00:15] <zgreg> there might be some more differences, not sure
[00:15] <zgreg> the non-GLSL codepath in nux is a bit crap anyway
[00:15] <Will123456> see i was wondering about that. i have a laptop that is fast enough to do pretty 3D stuff but chokes slightly on the blur, so I was wondering if it did an obvious optimisation like that...
[00:15] <zgreg> well, the blur definitely can be improved
[00:16] <zgreg> it's a rather straight-forward gaussian blur implementation and doesn't take advantage of linear sampling
[00:16] <zgreg> with linear sampling the number of texture reads can be reduced
[00:16] <Will123456> yeah, i've been doing shaders a lot recently and i've read about things like that
[00:17] <Will123456> i looked in the unity source code and i couldn't find any obvious glsl code though. i guess i wasn't looking hard enough
[00:17] <zgreg> the technique is described here: http://rastergrid.com/blog/2010/09/efficient-gaussian-blur-with-linear-sampling/
[00:17] <zgreg> it's all in libnux, a separate library
[00:17] <zgreg> nux is horribly inefficient overall, from what I can see
[00:17] <zgreg> it does a lot of redundant opengl calls, and doesn't batch anything
[00:20] <zgreg> IIRC the non-GLSL codepath does ~30 opengl calls to draw a single textured quad :D
[00:20] <zgreg> and then again for the next quad, and again, and again
[00:21] <zgreg> the GLSL codepath is not quite as bad, but there's still a lot of room for improvement
[00:21] <Will123456> zgreg: thanks for the link!
[00:22] <Will123456> it's a shame that it's inefficient. that's sort of the last thing you want for a DE :P
[00:22] <Will123456> or shell or whatever :P
[00:22] <zgreg> yes, I agree
[00:23] <Will123456> in the glsl blurring I have in the game I'm working on, I do a horizontal blur and then a vertical one
[00:23] <zgreg> basically nux sets ALL state that is required for drawing the primitive every time
[00:23] <zgreg> it does a little bit of caching for texture state but that's it
[00:24] <Will123456> zgreg: i suppose that makes it easier to write nux-interfacing code...? i'm forever tripping up on openGL state leakage
[00:24] <zgreg> it doesn't cache any of the global state, and doesn't use a separate opengl context (I think that might be the major problem=
[00:24] <Will123456> is that for things like the lenses? i'm totally unfamiliar with the codebase
[00:25] <zgreg> Will123456: yes, maybe that makes it easier, but of course less efficient
[00:26] <zgreg> and it really wouldn't be hard to use "nux sections", i.e. calls to save/restore opengl state only when needed
[00:26] <Will123456> yeah. in my head i'm imagining a layer you could put under nux that intercepts all openGL state changes and only sends them on if they are actually different than the previous state. maybe that's easier thought about than done, though :P
[00:27] <zgreg> well the problem here is that nux typically reuses compiz' opengl context (as far as I know)
[00:27] <zgreg> and that context might be in some strange state, so nux sets all state again, for every primitive drawn
[00:28] <Will123456> ah right, that makes sense! so you think using a different context would make things a lot more efficient?
[00:28] <Will123456> what would be required to get that actually done?
[00:29] <zgreg> yes and no, switching opengl contexts is expensive
[00:29] <zgreg> but it would be worth a try
[00:29] <zgreg> the alternative is to annotate code that calls into nux to save/restore state so it won't be needed to set state again for every primitive
[00:30] <zgreg> that would allow efficient state caching
[00:31] <Will123456> yeah... from my ample experience of doing openGL badly, i can appreciate why setting all the state every time would be an attractive proposition
[00:31] <Will123456> if only to save headaches
[00:32] <zgreg> it would be interesting to do some batching, too
[00:33] <zgreg> nux already contains some functions to draw multiple textures with one call, but they are almost completely unused
[00:34] <Will123456> zgreg: on what layer would you do this though? i have no idea how the lenses talk to unity/nux for drawing, but in my experience having the logic-dealing code not have to think in terms of batching things is quite nice and lovely
[00:35] <zgreg> I'm only familiar with the low-level drawing code in nux
[00:35] <zgreg> I'd implement explicit batching
[00:36] <zgreg> e.g. draw icon and icon background (for the dock) with one call
[00:38] <Will123456> zgreg: so it does icons and their backgrounds separately right now?
[00:38] <zgreg> the ideal solution is much more complicated: use a texture atlas and batch as much as possible
[00:39] <zgreg> Will123456: yes, IIRC, almost everything is drawn separately at the moment
[00:39] <zgreg> there's this one nux function for drawing a single texture quad and it's used all over the place
[00:40] <Will123456> zgreg: i'm mostly familiar with developing in java and using lwjgl/libGDX. libGDX has quite a nice sprite batching class
[00:41] <zgreg> grep nux and unity for QRP_1Tex :p
[00:41] <Will123456> you tell it to draw individual textures and it constructs a mesh that incorporates all of the images you specify
[00:41] <zgreg> yes, that's the efficient way
[00:42] <Will123456> zgreg: it'd be nice if nux had something like that, instead of the QRP thing!
[00:42] <Will123456> (or rather together with)
[00:42] <zgreg> sure, but that's a lot of work
[00:43] <zgreg> and really, it's not THAT bad, so I think doing some smaller batches and state caching will be enough
[00:44] <zgreg> the super inefficient nux/unity as of now still runs acceptably on crappy atom netbooks, after all :)
[00:45] <Will123456> zgreg: sometimes you can find set ups that it doesn't like... i have an 3 ghz AMD dual core with a respectably middle of the range ATI card (open source drivers) that can't run unity beyond a slow crawl
[00:46] <Will123456> it's more or less fine when you boot up, then running even a few programs slows it right down. it feels more like an awkward combination of things rather than the sort of slowdown you'd expect from just having more stuff going on
[00:46] <Will123456> that's more me just moaning - but i really wish i knew what was causing the problem!
[00:51] <Will123456> zgreg: if you could make one change to unity right now, what would it be?
[00:52] <zgreg> small change?
[00:52] <Will123456> anything you want, but yeah, if it was small?
[00:52] <Will123456> i will warn you this is a hypothetical scenario :p
[00:52] <Will123456> i don't have fingers in many pies
[00:53] <zgreg> well I'd probably optimize blur and drawing code, since IMO performance is very critical for a desktop shell
[00:53] <zgreg> it should perform well even under serious load
[00:54] <Will123456> zgreg: i may be talking nonsense here, but would increasingly hardware accelerated things like web browsing make inefficient nux code more evident?
[00:56] <zgreg> not sure, really...
[00:57] <Will123456> zgreg: are you hacking on nux at all are you just an observer?
[00:57] <zgreg> well I recently did a little hacking on it and fixed a regression
[00:57] <zgreg> but nothing serious
[00:58] <Will123456> hey, that's more than me :)
[00:58] <zgreg> nux had this bug with messed up texture coordinates that lead to some rendering artefacts, and this was driving me mad
[00:59] <zgreg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nux/+bug/927441
[00:59] <zgreg> this one
[01:00] <Will123456> zgreg: nice one!
[01:01] <Will123456> funnily enough i never noticed that bug on my machine. i have noticed the nvidia proprietary driver 'fixing' my mistakes though, so maybe that's got something to do with it
[01:01] <Will123456> i'm looking for a nice intel integrated laptop for that reason
[01:02] <Will123456> (mistakes in my shader code and so on, that is - not in nux :P)
[01:02] <zgreg> the bug wasn't apparent in all configurations
[01:02] <zgreg> the problem was that nux tried to be extra clever and adjusted texture coordinates to make sure textures are sampled in the midpoint of texels
[01:03] <zgreg> but, this extra cleverness was wrong and in fact moved the coordinate to the boundary between two texels
[01:03] <zgreg> and, depending on floating poing precision, the phase of moon, etc. you either got the issue or not
[01:04] <Will123456> ah right, yeah... that sounds awkward
[01:05] <zgreg> turning on linear sampling instantly made the problem apparent, though
[01:08] <will> zgreg: sorry about that. i wrote a shader that hardlocked my PC
[01:08] <Will123456> that's probably why i shouldn't be allowed to hack on nux
[01:10] <zgreg> ever used opencl/cuda?
[01:10] <zgreg> it's pretty easy to crash your machine with gpgpu programs
[01:11] <zgreg> GPUs aren't capable of preemptive multitasking, so if a shader program locks up, the UI locks up
[01:11] <zgreg> and with opencl it's also pretty easy to corrupt GPU memory
[01:12] <zgreg> it's definitely a lot of fun :D
[01:12] <Will123456> zgreg: yeah, i have - but only a little bit and it was before I really 'got' doing things in the GPU-way
[01:12] <Daekdroom> Isn't that going to generate a huge amount of UI issues once gpgpu becomes popular?
[01:12] <Daekdroom> Or are drivers able to prevent them?
[01:12] <zgreg> Daekdroom: well, drivers usually reset the GPU after a few seconds of lockup
[01:13] <Will123456> Daekdroom: the nvidia proprietary drivers didn't prevent me crashing my machine just now... :(
[01:13] <zgreg> sometimes that won't work well, though
[01:14] <Will123456> as far as i'm concerned if a shader takes more than a few seconds to compute then the drivers should just halt everything and try and return to normalcy, but i realise it's probably 1000x times more complicated than that
[01:16] <zgreg> no idea (only driver programms know, probably), but I think the problem is determing the last valid state and returning to that
[01:16] <zgreg> *programmers
[01:18] <Will123456> in an alternate universe there is a linux library that all applications can hook into and hand vital data and instructions to incase something terrible happens and the lastwillandtestamentlib sorts everything out for them
[01:19] <Will123456> so if your program locks up, compiz greys the window out then pops up a little box saying "saving all your hard precious work" :P
[01:29] <jkd> hi. i'm trying to work out how to add a new option to the launcher. I added it to LauncherOptions.h, and to unityshell.xml.in
[01:30] <jkd> and LauncherOptions.cpp as well. the option shows up in ccsm now, but changing the value with the dropdown does not seem to change options()->location (in Launcher.cpp)
[01:31] <jkd> does anyone know how to hook up the option to the member variable in unity::launcher::Options?
[01:31] <jkd> build/generated seems to have auto-generated stuff pertaining to the options, but i haven't quite been able to figure it all out yet
[09:33] <zyga> hi, I may have spotted a bug in unity 2 with radiance theme
[09:34] <zyga> it seems that all the text in the panel is corrupted, as if it had a shadow that's xored with the background
[09:34] <zyga> the effect is not random, if I press a menu entry to open it the style changes and the 'shadow' is no longer there
[09:34] <zyga> is this a known issue? can anyone reproduce this?
[09:35] <zyga> (it could be radiance bug)
[09:36] <zyga> (i meant unity 2d, not unity 2)
[09:40] <rye_> zyga: something that looks like something described in bug #723167 ?
[09:41] <rye_> zyga: that's where my bug report was duplicated into, but I don't see how it works properly with Ambiance and breaks with Radiance
[09:44] <zyga> rye: no
[09:45] <zyga> rye: pitti's screenshot looks right by my standards
[09:45] <zyga> rye: what I'm observing just looks wrong
[09:45] <zyga> rye: I suppose it deserves a screenshot to asses further
[09:45] <Donut> can anybody tell me how I do configure the application switcher so that it switches between ALL applications/windows and not only the ones on my current workspace?
[09:46] <Donut> It worked just fine in 11.10. I don't understand the philosophy behind 12.04...
[09:49] <rye> Donut: ccsm - Unity - switcher - bias alt_tab to prefer windows on the current viewport
[09:51] <Donut> thx
[09:51] <jo-erlend> or GEdit: /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options/alt_tab_bias_viewport
[09:52] <jo-erlend> sorry
[09:52] <jo-erlend> gconf-editor :)
[09:52] <Donut> jo-erlend: thx. this should be better because I have an alternate unity installed :-)
[09:56] <jo-erlend> think it's the same setting, only different GUIs.
[09:57] <rye> hm, unityshell? I am not sure the settings is taken from compiz plugins in 2d, we need unity devs assistant
[09:58] <rye> assistance
[10:12] <jo-erlend> pardon?
[10:12] <jo-erlend> nobody mentioned Unity 2D. It uses DConf.
[17:50] <DebolazST> Is it possible to get unity to make the icon used to notify you of new messages blink?
[18:06] <mhall119> DebolazST: the icon in the Launcher or in the notification bubble?
[18:06] <mhall119> or the message indicator?
[18:06] <DebolazST> The message indicator. The icon that looks like a paper envelope.
[18:06] <mhall119> it can be made to change color when you  have new messages
[18:07] <DebolazST> It turns blue when there's a new message available, but this is almost unnoticable.
[18:07] <DebolazST> People don't see colors, they see change.
[18:07] <mhall119> I think the idea was not to annoy the user over having new messages
[18:08] <DebolazST> I find it annoying to miss messages for so long that the person I was talking to has logged off.
[18:08] <mhall119> DebolazST: if you want to make a design proposal, read through http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/design/ to get to know the process, then send your proposal to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:09] <DebolazST> It would be nice to have another message indicator that could be enabled that would behave like that.
[18:09] <mhall119> You can make one if you wanted
[18:10] <mhall119> DebolazST: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/common-components/#message-menu has the message menu code, you can fork that and make your changes to it, that would probably be easiest
[18:10] <mhall119> or see http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/application-indicators/ for writing a new indicator from scratch
[18:11] <DebolazST> Hmm, it would probably be easiest to change the existing message indicator.
[18:11] <mhall119> yeah
[18:11] <mhall119> then you can submit a code patch with your design proposal
[18:13]  * DebolazST makes a note of all this information and emails it to himself.
[18:16] <DebolazST> I always found the message indicator hard to notice. I actually have to physically look up at it to see if there's a message available, which isn't something I naturally do since Unity is designed so that everything I actively do is placed on the other side of the screen.
[18:18] <DebolazST> And that isn't a bad thing by itself, I find the launcher quite pleasant to work with and I love its current position. It just makes it hard to notice incoming messages.
[18:20] <bschaefer> thomi, hey
[18:22] <thomi> yo
[18:23] <thomi> 'sup?
[18:23] <thomi> we're missing you in Oakland.
[18:23] <bschaefer> nothing much, trying to figure out this anthy problem haha
[18:24] <bschaefer> o how nice, well it smy fault haha, forgot to apply for sponsorship :P
[18:24] <bschaefer> its*
[18:24] <bschaefer> how was your flight?
[20:37] <DebolazST> Hmmm, I know it's the attention_cb function in indicator-messages that gets called when a notification pops up, but I'm not entirely sure what would be the best approach to making it blink.
[20:38] <DebolazST> Should I use a timer of some sort, or can the svg image used itself be animated?
[20:40] <DebolazST> I guess another way to ask that question is: Does Unity support SVG animations?
[20:59]  * DebolazST decides to go with the timer approach.
[21:58] <DebolazST> Hrmmm... I made some changes to indicator-messages, now its menu is completely empty.
[21:59] <DebolazST> Do I need to do anything magical to install it properly on the system?
[22:00] <DebolazST> Other than configure --prefix=/usr ?


[00:47] <neversfelde> Riddell: it is bug #525658 and I am mostly offline for some days, sorry for it :( I cannot correct anything from now on :(
[01:29] <Riddell> new ubuntu logo went public I see
[01:36] <Riddell> ScottK: the designer is still working on designs for the kubuntu logo, we'll get some options based on thoughts that me and seele had, we can choose between them or get more iterations as we see fit
[01:37] <seele> the xubuntu logo is cute with the little mouse in the circle
[01:37] <seele> too bad we couldnt get kubuntu done in time for this announcement though
[01:37] <seele> looks like we dont exist
[01:38] <Riddell> that was done by the xubuntu guy
[01:38] <seele> ah
[01:40] <Riddell> they didn't want to rush the kubuntu logo, which I think it a good thing
[01:42] <Riddell> where was this announced anyway?  just blogs?
[01:43] <Riddell> ~identica dent New logo announced for Ubuntu.  Design team still working on Kubuntu logo, expect gear-ification soon
[01:43] <kubotu> status updated
[01:44] <nixternal> hrmm, interesting that was announced already...thought it was going to be later on this week
[01:45] <Riddell> was ment to be last week
[01:46] <maco2> Riddell: silly lad, should've !Kubuntu'd it so itd go to the gorup
[01:46] <maco2> *group
[01:49] <Riddell> ~identica dent New logo announced for Ubuntu.  Design team still working on Kubuntu logo, expect gear-ification soon !kubuntu
[01:49] <kubotu> status updated
[01:50] <Riddell> this microblogging thing is so confusing
[01:52] <maco2> hahaha
[01:52] <ejat> :)
[01:52] <persia> Adding the '!' when using "Kubuntu" in other contexts is probably easier than adding tags at the end (and more human-readable)
[01:53] <maco2> thats what i expected him to do
[01:53] <Riddell> I never find microblogs at all readable
[01:53] <maco2> maybe youre Doin It Wrong
[01:53] <persia> They are nearly as reliable as udp.
[01:59] <nixternal> hrmm, some seem to like to the new change for ubuntu and a lot are really dissing it so far...personally, it finally doesn't feel cartoonish to me...
[02:00] <nixternal> keeping my mouth shut now for about 2 weeks about the logo wasn't easy, but at the same time it was easy, as I totally forgot about it until it was accidentally leaked last week
[02:10] <Trouble> One of the things that first attracted to me to KDE was the fact it wasn't brown :-p
[02:11] <maco2> oh i liked the brown
[02:11] <maco2> gutsy had a lovely wallpaper
[02:45] <persia> Hey tuxdavis.  Thanks for offering to help out with the kdebindings FTBFS on armel.
[02:46] <tuxdavis> np
[03:13] <shtylman> I still don't understand why the new ubuntu theme window buttons are the way they are...
[03:13] <shtylman> sigh... maybe I never will
[03:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I've filed Bug #531697 on the qt4-x11 FTBFS on IA64.  Since it's an ICE, we're pretty dead on  that arch unless someone like doko jumps in an fixes it.  I think it's worth bring up at the release team meeting on Friday.
[04:05]  * shtylman finished rsyncing the kde svn repo
[04:05] <shtylman> all 60GB of it
[04:05] <shtylman> to help with the git migration efforts
[04:05] <shtylman> thats alot of code
[07:23] <zegenie> is kubuntu gonna change the window buttons layout order as well ?
[07:23] <zegenie> in the default settings I mean
[08:30] <Mamarok> I have a serious problem: since my upgrade to SC 4.4.1, I don't see the KNotes anymore in the SystemTray. When starting the application and setting it to show in the SystemTray, it never shows up
[08:30] <Mamarok> all my memos and notes for work are in there...
[08:31] <Mamarok> and accessing it throug Kontact is a pain, since you don't even see the whole title there, and I have like 50 of those
[08:34] <ulysses>  /part
[09:38] <Mamarok> I have a serious problem: since my upgrade to SC 4.4.1, I don't see the KNotes anymore in the SystemTray. When starting the application and setting it to show in the SystemTray, it never shows up
[09:38] <Mamarok> all my memos and notes for work are in there...
[09:38] <Mamarok> and accessing it throug Kontact is a pain, since you don't even see the whole title there, and I have like 50 of those
[09:39] <Mamarok> which makes it a serious regression for me :(
[10:30] <Riddell> kdebindings built on ARM!
[10:30]  * Riddell does the kdebindings building on ARM dance
[10:30] <persia> Oh it did!  Cool.
[10:30] <persia> tuxdavis: Please don't worry about it anymore.
[10:41] <Riddell> well this is a workaround not a fix, would be better to have it fixed properly
[10:41] <Riddell> this is just disabling ruby and c# bindings which isn't ideal, but we can live with it
[10:43] <persia> OK.  I know tuxdavis had replicated it and was preparing some debug rebuilds before day-end.  Maybe it can be made to work later.
[10:43] <persia> But at least it's no longer a blocking bug, and maybe we can get images again in a couple days.
[10:43]  * Riddell wonders who tuxdavis is
[11:04] <Torch> hi all
[11:04] <Torch> can anyone confirm that using KFileDialog::getOpenFileName() from an application running as root does NOT work on kubuntu?
[11:04] <Torch> (e.g. run kdesu konqueror and try to file-> open file)
[11:11] <persia> Riddell: Some guy who told me he had arm hardware and wanted to help port kubuntu :)
[11:11] <Riddell> Torch: works fine here
[11:11] <persia> Riddell: He was at barcelona.  Usually does games.
[11:11] <Torch> Riddell: thx
[11:28]  * apachelogger stumbles in
[11:29] <Riddell> asac: bug 531848 MIR for the firefox kde stuff
[11:42]  * apachelogger forgot what he was working on before going to bed -.-
[11:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: clearing out my inbox?
[11:53] <Mamarok> no, mine
[11:58] <apachelogger> neither :P
[11:59]  * apachelogger was reading about the powers of 16 ^^
[12:16] <ejat> apachelogger: is there a bug file about plasmoid knetworkmanager? seem like it show "Activating .... " not connected .. i need to manually get dhcp for wired or wireless
[12:17] <Riddell> ejat: we know that plasma-widget-networkmanagement isn't working well, that's why it's not on the CD
[12:17] <Riddell> ejat: however agateau did some fixes in svn so it would be good if someone could test that
[12:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see about the qt4-x11 ICE on IA64?  I pinged you about the bug last night.
[12:20] <ejat> thanks Riddell for the info ..
[12:20] <ScottK> We're pretty dead on that arch until that gets fixed.
[12:20] <ScottK> dpm: Would you please have a look at quassel templates.  We got some more that need a push.
[12:23] <Riddell> ScottK: yes thanks.  I must admit that ia64 isn't a priority for me but it would be nice to have qt4 compiling at least
[12:24] <ScottK> It'd be a shame to lose an arch for the LTS when we've been good on all archs the last couple of releases.
[12:26] <dpm> ScottK, there's https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/quassel/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot That one should be fine, it's been automatically approved, but not yet imported because there are quite a lot of entries (translations and templates) in the Ubuntu queue right now. In principle, there shouldn't be any more manual approving needed for any of the current templates, they're now approved automatic
[12:26] <dpm> ally, it's just that Launchpad is still processing the queue, so I expect that they should get imported in the next couple of days (a bit of a guessed estimation)
[12:27] <ScottK> dpm: I was looking at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/quassel/+imports showing several as "Needs Review".
[12:56] <dpm> ScottK, ah, those, thanks. Not sure why they weren't approved, but I could think it's for the same reason (LP is still going through the queue). I've now approved them manually -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/quassel/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=all
[12:57] <ScottK> dpm: I think it's because they hadn't been uploaded before (they are the result of the first pull from LP).  Thanks.
[13:00] <dpm> ScottK, they should have been imported automatically with the template anyway. We manually approve templates once (the first time LP sees them), and once that's done translations are approved automatically along with the template. In any case, if you see this happening again, just give me a shout
[13:00] <dpm> and thanks for the heads up
[13:00] <ScottK> dpm: Will do.
[13:07] <Riddell> new kbluetooth uploaded
[14:49] <fabo> danimo: wrt to qtcreator slow boot time, have you found something ?
[14:49] <fabo> i received a bug report about it.
[14:50] <danimo> fabo: no, it disappeared after a while. I guess it's the indexing. once that's done, creator is fine
[14:50] <danimo> fabo: but it will need some more scientific research (i.e. a valgrind run if possible)
[14:51] <danimo> fabo: the problem is that if you try to observe it, you keep closing creator immediately, in which case indexing the docs never finishes
[14:54] <fabo> danimo: http://bugs.debian.org/572493
[14:57] <danimo> fabo: ok, that's weird
[15:14]  * Riddell pokes the council in the secret council channel
[15:15] <Riddell> fabo: yo
[15:15] <Riddell> fabo: any plans to rename kdebluetooth in line with upstream to kbluetooth?
[15:15] <Riddell> fabo: also upstream may be releasing a new version with our kubuntu patch and an autostart file added
[15:44] <t3rm1n4l> hi
[15:44] <t3rm1n4l> is there kdm greeter plugin support in kde4 ?
[15:45] <Riddell> it has themes
[15:45] <t3rm1n4l> not themes
[15:45] <t3rm1n4l> i need to show a dialog at kdm
[15:46] <Riddell> I don't think there's any plugin support for features, you'd need to edit the code
[15:47] <t3rm1n4l> but when i wrote a dialog, it is not getting focus
[15:47] <t3rm1n4l> i mean cursor stays in usr/pass lineedits
[15:48] <t3rm1n4l> but cursor doesnt come to my dialog
[15:48] <Riddell> there's no window manager at KDM stage so focus won't do what you expect
[15:49] <Riddell> you may want to try talking to the maintainer, ossi, who is in #kde-devel
[15:49] <Riddell> he's not always the most patient of chaps however
[15:50] <fabo> Riddell: ok, i rename kdebluetooth -> kbluetooth
[15:50] <fabo> Riddell: new version = 0.4.2 or something else ?
[15:51] <fabo> apachelogger: what about depends on bluez and recommends bluez-alsa, bluez-cups ?
[15:52] <fabo> this way, drop only bluez-gstreamer and keep same behavior
[15:52] <apachelogger> huh?
[15:52]  * apachelogger doesnt quite follow
[15:53] <fabo> you replace bluetooth dependency by bluez-alsa, bluez-cups.
[15:53] <fabo> but bluez-alsa, bluez-cups are a recommends of bluetooth.
[15:54] <fabo> it means we can't install kbluetooth without them anymore
[15:54] <fabo> => what about depends on bluez and recommends bluez-alsa, bluez-cups ?
[15:55] <fabo> it allows to install kbluetooth with bluez only (--no-install-recommends)
[15:56] <Riddell> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, bluez-alsa, bluez-cups, obex-data-server, python-qt4-dbus, python-qt4
[15:56] <Riddell> is what we have
[15:56] <Riddell> I'll drop the python bits, those aren't needed now kblueplugd can go
[15:57] <Riddell> fabo: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_01_document_path.diff http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_02_autostart.diff  are the patches he'll probably include in a 0.4.3 release
[15:57] <fabo> ok
[15:58] <fabo> Riddell: + bluez, obex-data-server, python-qt4-dbus, python-qt4
[15:58] <fabo> +Recommends: bluez-alsa, bluez-cups
[15:58] <fabo> (drop the python bits - not included)
[15:59] <Riddell> can kbluetooth even pair with printers and sound devices?
[16:00] <fabo> not tested ...
[16:07] <Riddell> fabo: I'll ask upstream what the right dependencies are
[16:10] <maco2> eeeek
[16:10] <daskreech> Mouse?
[16:10] <maco2> so after installing 4.4.1 from k-b my contact list was empty
[16:11] <maco2> now the std.vcf is in the list and all the names are there... hmm ok, dunno how that came back but sure
[16:11] <maco2> except... none of the data that goes *with* the names is there
[16:12] <maco2> whew.. ok the data's still in the vcf. kaddressbook has just decided that it's invisible, thats all.
[16:22] <fabo> Riddell: current package -> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdebluetooth4.git;a=summary
[16:23] <Riddell> fabo: you can get rid of kblueplugd and kblueplugd.desktop, the autostart file replaces that
[16:24] <fabo> Riddell: have you got a bazaar branch i could sync ?
[16:24] <Riddell> fabo: we don't currently keep it in bzr, but I could do so if that would help
[16:25] <fabo> Riddell: that could help :) easier for me to merge/sync
[16:27] <Riddell> fabo: one sec
[16:28] <fabo> np
[16:31] <Riddell> fabo: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kde-bluetooth/ubuntu
[16:32] <fabo> Riddell: thks
[16:35] <Riddell> gosh, two shtylman_s
[16:50] <pielud> please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/531844
[16:53] <Riddell> pielud: hmm interesting
[16:53] <Riddell> pielud: we don't include those files because they're only needed for building nepomuk which is part of kdebase-runtime anyway
[16:53] <Riddell> seems strange that nepomuk in playground would require nepomuk from kdebase-runtime
[16:57] <Riddell> dantti: new packagekit uploaded thanks
[16:58] <Riddell> pielud: where is nepomuk in playground?
[17:03] <Riddell> right enough no interfaces directory there http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/nepomuk-kde/
[17:20] <pielud> Riddell - Nepomuk playground is not part of the base. Remeber "Nepomuk playground" is not part of Nepomuk
[17:20] <Riddell> pielud: are you on lucid or karmic?
[17:20] <pielud> lucid - 10.4
[17:20] <pielud> kde 4.4.1
[17:21] <Riddell> hmm, no kdebase-runtime-dev to add the files to
[17:21] <pielud> I know
[17:21] <Riddell> guess I can just add them to kdebase-runtime-data
[17:22] <pielud> my openSUSE has it in kdebase-runtime
[17:22] <pielud> will quickly check Madriva too
[17:23] <pielud> Mandriva
[17:24] <daskreech> Riddell: There is a unified Canonical push for the themeing ?
[17:29] <Riddell> daskreech: Canonical's designers are working on ideas for the kubuntu logo
[17:30] <daskreech> Ok
[17:31] <daskreech> Good :)
[17:32] <dantti> Riddell: yw
[17:52] <pielud> Yes Riddell. Mandriva has a kdebase4-runtime-devel   http://fr2.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandriva/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/release/kdebase4-runtime-devel-4.4.0-8mdv2010.1.i586.html
[17:54] <pielud> or see http://doc4.mandriva.org/bin/view/d4/package/bfb4f17219bf555a389df35ee410bbad5f7f3af1?d=#files
[17:55] <daskreech> Hi rickspencer3
[17:55] <rickspencer3> hi daskreech
[17:55]  * daskreech hugs pielud. Thanks. You are cool :)
[17:55] <rickspencer3> 'sup?
[17:56] <pielud> huh?
[17:56] <ScottK> persia: Which lib was the one that was at issue when you were trying to build plasma-mobile?
[17:57] <daskreech> pielud: Caring enough to find out what's wrong instead of just saying it's broken! Fix it and going off
[17:57] <daskreech> rickspencer3: nothing much. How's the day?
[17:58] <rickspencer3> daskreech, hectic week for me
[17:58] <pielud> I need it Roger, to lazy to compile KDE today :-)
[17:58] <persia> ScottK: I don't remember offhand.  I think the conclusion rbelem and I had was that we'd like to see kdebase-workspace broken into lots of constituent source packages.
[17:58] <rickspencer3> but fun
[17:59] <persia> ScottK: Do you need me to check my logs and get a specific reference?
[17:59] <ScottK> persia: I do.  I'm discussing additional splits with Debian right now.
[17:59] <Riddell> daskreech: we know what's wrong, I'll fix it shortly
[17:59] <ScottK> I'll look in mine too.
[17:59]  * persia checks logs
[17:59] <Riddell> pielud can also just copy the files out of the sources, they don't get modified
[18:00] <daskreech> Riddell: I know but pielud following up is still cool :)
[18:01] <persia> ScottK: kdm, kwin, kcontrol
[18:02] <pielud> Riddell, I'll have a look if that work-around compiles for now , thanx
[18:03] <pielud> Not yet sure what else is missing :(
[18:09] <ScottK> persia: Found it.  libplasmagenericshell
[18:10] <persia> ScottK: That wasn't even in my logs.  Good find.
[18:11] <ScottK> persia: Thanks to Quassel's infinite backscroll.
[18:11] <ScottK> Gotta run.  Sick kid to pick up from school.
[18:13] <persia> Ah, found it now.  That was the one I where I wanted to have kdebase-workspace-dev depend on kdebase-workspace-bin .  libkcontrol was so that rbelem could build kwin and kdm outside of kdebase.
[18:32] <apachelogger> fabo, Riddell: bluez-utils/bluetooth recommends all bluez- packages, including bluez-gstreamer, thus we cannot use the metapackage as it would drag gstreamer onto the kubuntu CD
[18:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: we know, the question is if bluez-alsa, bluez-cups or bluez do any good for kbluetooth
[18:37] <apachelogger> yeah, that I wondered too when I saw it ^^
[18:38] <Riddell> e-mailed upstream anyway
[18:45] <shtylman_> Riddell: where are we on artwork? anything needing doing or sharing with upstream?
[18:48] <Riddell> shtylman_: see other channel
[20:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: for the debug symbol installer should the user be asked if he wants to continue looking for dbg packages even if ia dbg package for a file could not be found?
[20:05]  * apachelogger suppose that it might be useful in some corner cases, but also notes that he does not know how to best implement this n non-blocking manner
[20:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Apparently stacks of notifications is the KDE 4.4 way for stuff.
[20:05] <apachelogger> lol
[20:05] <ScottK> I now get three whenever I upload my laptop.
[20:05] <Quintasan> oh yeah
[20:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: the current code design is so crappy I couldnt even implement this in a painless way :P
[20:06] <apachelogger> it is like a shell script written in cpp ^^
[20:06] <ScottK> Nice.
[20:07] <apachelogger> oh actually it is like a shell script written in cpp, depending on KDE and with useful functions
[20:07] <apachelogger> making useful functions in say bash is close to impossible
[20:07] <ScottK> Sounds like a perfect candidate for pythonification.
[20:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: really, how do you manage to create such code?
[20:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: how so?
[20:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: My normal workflow is to do really simple stuff in shell and as soon as I scratch my head, I reimplement in Python because it's much easier for anythin non-trivial.
[20:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: write a shell script, then get a template kde cpp code and stuff everything you had in shell into main
[20:09]  * Quintasan notes even his utterly useless Kalculator is coded nicely :P
[20:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: stack a UI on top of that and you are all good :D
[20:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I cppified it, so I do not have to worry about runtime issues ^^
[20:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: result of my boredom at chemistry -> http://wklej.org/id/290358/
[20:10] <apachelogger> unless I ran into some pointer crazyness, which never ever happenes because I got pointers all figured out
[20:11]  * apachelogger would like to have a pointer as bf :P
[20:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: shouldnt you like listen? :P
[20:12] <Quintasan> listen to what? your rants about PyFail?
[20:12] <apachelogger> for example
[20:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I could also rant about people who write non-english words in their code :P
[20:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well it's not like you can't understand what it does from the code, isn't it?
[20:13] <Quintasan> should be " is it?"
[20:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is not the point
[20:14] <apachelogger> you need to know without looking at the code
[20:14] <apachelogger> in a best case scenario a function name is descriptive enough that I know exactly what the function does
[20:15] <apachelogger> as usual my famous IBM aix C best practice document comes in handy here ;)
[20:15] <apachelogger> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-hook_duttaC.html
[20:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan: see section funciton names
[20:16] <Quintasan> I see what they did there
[20:17]  * Quintasan goes back to git and cpp awesomeness
[20:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is your opinion on the "let user decide whether to continue"?
[20:18] <ScottK> I think I don't understand it enough to have one.
[20:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[20:20] <ScottK> Some of http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ is Python specific, but it also has some good general rules on coding conventions.
[20:20] <shtylman_> from now one.. I will always comment my "add one to i"
[20:20] <ScottK> No, "Add one to i."
[20:20] <ScottK> Grammar counts.
[20:21] <shtylman_> hahaha
[20:21] <ScottK> That's actually a pep-8 rule: Use full sentences in comments.
[20:21] <ScottK> It helps readability.
[20:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: drkonqi allows the user to install missing dbg packages, for that it starts a distro provided app/script and passes it a list of all files for which no debug symbols could be found, the app/script does then check for the packages that contain the debug symbols for those files... now if it cant find it for one, should it ask the user "oh my, couldnt find dbg package, do you want to continue anyway?"  or just tell them that the
[20:22] <apachelogger>  package could not be found and that they shall go sob in a corner
[20:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the second one is better
[20:23] <ScottK> At that point it might be useful to see if the -dbgsym repo is enabled and if not recommend it.
[20:23] <ScottK> Then try again.
[20:23] <Quintasan> add a pop-up window saying - "Now you can go to nearest corner and sob"
[20:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: I want to automize that part
[20:23] <ScottK> OK.
[20:23] <apachelogger> so the assumption is that the dbg package could not be found because it either does not exist or because it does not match the search patterns
[20:24] <apachelogger> (e.g. is not called binpkg-dbg or srcpkg-dbg or each with -dbgsym)
[20:24] <ScottK> So you're automatically adding a new repo and running apt-get update?
[20:24] <ScottK> How's that working?
[20:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: software-properties for sources.list manipulation, and packagekit for update, I am hoping
[20:25] <apachelogger> of course with user feedback, so first thing the app does is tell the user that some debug symbols might not be findable without the ddebs repo and if they want to add that repo
[20:26] <apachelogger> something like that at least
[20:26] <ScottK> OK
[20:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/388507/
[20:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is the current message actually ;)
[20:27] <apachelogger> but again, the design is not dynamic enough to annoy us with notifications ;)
[20:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: so what do you think? tell the user or just abort?
[20:27] <ScottK> If there's a useful chance of continuing, I'd tell the user.
[20:29]  * apachelogger starts wondering on how to implement that in non-blocking manner :S
[20:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://wklej.org/id/290377/
[20:31] <Quintasan> change it to this
[20:31] <Quintasan> :P
[20:32] <apachelogger> <3
[20:32]  * apachelogger notes that a newline is missing there though :P
[20:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://wklej.org/id/290379/
[20:32] <Quintasan> fix'd
[20:32] <Quintasan> :P
[20:33] <apachelogger> in that case a whitespace is missing, and you are exceeding 80chars/line :P
[20:34] <Quintasan> oh man
[20:34]  * Quintasan gives up
[20:34] <Quintasan> Change it to -> "No dgb for u, go to your corner and sob"
[20:34] <Quintasan> :P
[20:34] <Quintasan> or "wallow in despair"
[20:34] <Quintasan> Sounds better IMO
[20:35] <Quintasan> I'm going to bed, finally friday tomorrow
[20:35] <apachelogger> or who markey would put it: "puny user, cant even install dbg packages yourself! well, I cant either! we are boned!"
[20:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nini
[20:36] <ScottK> ... abandon all hope, go to your corner and wail with despair.
[20:36] <apachelogger> ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:37] <apachelogger> ...idea...
[20:37] <apachelogger> how about presenting that dialog only once, at the very end, before asking the user whether to install the found crap?
[20:37] <apachelogger> instead of for each package without dbg package
[20:38] <apachelogger> that way it also does not conflict with the blockingness necessary for a loop
[20:38] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[20:38] <ScottK> Even smart.
[20:39] <apachelogger> yay, I am smart \o/
[20:44] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/KCUk9O.html
[21:09] <kwwii> hi Riddell
[21:18] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[21:28] <Trouble> Hi kwwii
[21:29] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/drkonqi-installdbgsymbols-2.ogv
[21:40] <apachelogger> oh my
[21:40] <apachelogger> one cant start kpk with nofork
[21:40] <apachelogger> dantti: ^
[21:41] <apachelogger> dantti: I suppose it would also not exit non-0 if a user says no to installing a package by name?
[21:41] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm can you poke me tomorow? I'm going home now, and really don't know what the answeard is :P
[21:42] <apachelogger> oki ^^
[21:42] <dantti> thanks, bye
[21:45] <peterson> hello, everyone! I was wondering if anyone knows what is going to happen to kubuntu after this whole ubuntu re-branding thing. Is kubuntu going to get a new (own) theme? Colours?
[21:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu does have it's own theme?
[21:48] <ScottK> peterson: Kubuntu will get some new stuff.  Exactly what is still being worked on.
[21:48] <peterson> I don't think so, apachelogger
[21:48] <ScottK> In general we don't deviate much from upstream KDE.  I don't expect that to change significantly.
[21:48] <peterson> I think it is KDE default, innit?
[21:48] <ScottK> Mostly.
[21:48] <Riddell> peterson: the new logo is still being worked on
[21:48] <apachelogger> so what is so bad about KDE's default?
[21:49] <peterson> It's not bad, it's just not.. personalized.
[21:49] <peterson> thanks ScottK =)
[21:49] <apachelogger> peterson: no?
[21:49] <peterson> and Riddell
[21:49] <apachelogger> it uses Kubuntu colors all over the palce, doesnt it? :P
[21:49] <apachelogger> all blue here :P
[21:49] <peterson> apachelogger AEhaeH or could we say kubuntu uses kde colours? =P
[21:50] <apachelogger> traditionally our color palette was blue, extactly because we are a kde distribution and thus want to share a similar identity
[21:50] <peterson> hmmmm
[21:50] <peterson> but what did you think of the purple and orange thing? Did you (personally) like it? Is there any chance of a significant change in that direction?
[21:51] <apachelogger> we hadone purple release :P
[21:52] <peterson> haEhaEhAE really? What do you mean? Sorry if that was irony, I'm not native speaker, so I might not get it =P
[21:52] <apachelogger> peterson: edgy eft had a purple theming
[21:53] <peterson> hummm I didn't know that.
[21:53] <apachelogger> other than that we stuck with blue IIRC
[21:53] <apachelogger> and blue did proof itself, so I do not see why would want to change that either
[21:53] <apachelogger> just because ubuntu's color palette sucked doesnt mean that ours did ;)
[21:53] <peterson> It makes sense =) eaheaheahea
[21:53] <peterson> I'm going to look for a screenshot, I'm curious...
[21:54] <peterson> Although at that time it was kde 3, right?
[21:54] <apachelogger> yep
[21:56] <peterson> haehhae funny..
[21:57] <peterson> by the way, is there any way I can change the colours of kde apps in gnome (since I don't have the KDE system centre)?
[22:01] <peterson> anyone..? =P
[22:01]  * Trouble thinks Kubuntu should go brown for 10.4 to catch and convert all the Ubuntu users who don't like the new default theme :-p
[22:01] <Riddell> peterson: you'd need to install system-settings
[22:02] <peterson> thanks Riddell =)
[22:05] <peterson> well, thanks for the enlightenment (even though we're talking about KDE... horrible joke) and.. good bye! keep on rocking, you do an awesome desktop system ^^
[23:22]  * maco2 liked the brown
[23:26]  * ryanakca liked Edgy's purple
[23:30] <maco2> i liked edgy cuz it had aiglx in its xorg thus letting intel users like me have beryl
[23:31]  * ryanakca had forgotten about beryl and compiz and co.
[23:31] <ryanakca> Cool to look at, but not really that useful once the novelty fades.
[23:32] <Trouble> I really like the new Ubuntu palette <3
[23:32] <maco2> ryanakca: i found it much more useful than metacity
[23:33] <ryanakca> Ah