[00:00] <StevenK> crimsun: I can do so, if you wish
[00:00] <crimsun> StevenK: up to you; mostly merged locally
[00:01] <StevenK> crimsun: Go ahead and finish, tis cool
[00:03] <crimsun> StevenK: cheers
[00:06] <Keybuk> cjwatson: a good translation for "Canonical" might be: malughwI'qu'
[00:06] <Keybuk> lit. "we are ALWAYS right"
[00:14] <ogra> ev_, cjwatson, is it not possible anymore to install oem-config without getting the whole of ubiquity ?
[00:14] <ev_> ogra: oem-config is ubiquity
[00:15] <ev_> they were merged
[00:15] <ogra> (i really dont want ubiquity on installed systems)
[00:15] <ogra> hrm
[00:15] <ev_> in recent versions of oem-config, it removes itself once completed successfully
[00:15] <ogra> right, thats what i want
[00:15] <ogra> but i dont want the use to be able to muck about with partitions etc
[00:16] <ogra> *user
[00:16] <ev_> sure, understandable
[00:21] <lifeless> Riddell: you can also use 'bzr branch git://...'
[00:22] <ogra> ev_, so if they were merged, is there still the old whiptail/debconf interface for commandline systems or is that gone with the merge ?
[00:23] <ev_> ogra: there's a debconf_ui frontend
[00:23] <ogra> ok
[00:23] <TheMuso> Anybody got any idea why kvm in lucid is causing my capslock key to be held down?
[00:23] <ev_> ogra: you'll see it if you do an oem server install
[00:23] <ogra> is that autoselected if there is no X up or do i need to set anything specific ?
[00:25] <superm1> ev_, i dont think the automatic removal stuff is working right.  perhaps  http://pastebin.com/f15cf97a3  might address it though
[00:31] <slangasek> smoser: the "uec-specific hack to redirect console output" - that's gone now in lucid, yes?
[00:31] <ev_> ogra: if no other frontends are installed, it will just use the debconf_ui frontend.  You can explicitly use the debconf_ui by running `oem-config debconf_ui`
[00:31] <ogra> ah, nice
[00:31] <ev_> superm1: why is that necessary?
[00:32] <ogra> and if i understand the upstart script right i only need to touch /var/lib/oem-config/run to make it do its firstboot magic ?
[00:32] <TheMuso> Hrm things are ok if I don't run the kvm command in the background.
[00:33] <superm1> ev_, well i'm not seeing any templates on the installed system, so either copy_debconf was failing or they didn't get populated during postisnt into the debconf cache
[00:33] <superm1> (or both)
[00:40] <smoser> slangasek, yes. i use console output now and it works fine. well, and it doesn't run in sysv anymore, but a upstart script.
[00:40] <slangasek> smoser: "it"?
[00:41] <slangasek> you mean you still have a hack in place?
[00:41] <smoser> well, that used to run via ec2-init init script, which ran from sysvinit
[00:42] <smoser> but it now runs in upstart job, and writes to console using 'console output'
[00:42] <smoser> so, no, dont need hack
[00:46]  * ccheney uploaded 13 packages today :)
[00:46] <bryce2> jdstrand, agd57
[00:46] <bryce2> jdstrand, on #radeon
[00:49] <lifeless> james_w: is there a plan to import experimental as well ?
[00:49] <james_w> it is done already
[00:51] <lifeless> james_w: \o/
[00:53] <james_w> lifeless: debhelper is safe to delete
[00:57] <lifeless> james_w: cleaned
[00:57] <james_w> lifeless: thanks
[01:06] <lifeless> james_w: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/udd/+bugs?field.searchtext=collision+zsh looks the same to me
[01:17] <lifeless> james_w: I'm trying to learn the pattern to look for, so feedback appreciated
[01:18] <james_w> lifeless: repeated collisions in debian over a short period of time some months ago or earlier
[01:18] <james_w> that does indeed look the same
[01:18] <james_w> anything with the longer bug description is probably something difference
[01:26] <ccheney> mvo: bug 516727, any idea?
[01:33] <mvo> ccheney: I have a look in a bit
[01:38] <slangasek> ccheney: why is there a pre-depends?
[01:38] <lifeless> bryce2: so, why is mesa 7.7 in experimental ?
[01:38] <slangasek> ccheney: oh, ignore me; I read the message backwards, I know what the pre-dep is
[01:39] <ccheney> ok
[01:42] <Sarvatt> is it intended (or known) that nothing plymouth related is getting put in the initrd right now?
[01:43] <persia> Sarvatt: Might be a local issue: some people are reporting the opposite.
[01:43] <slangasek> no, it's quite deliberate
[01:43] <slangasek> it's *not* supposed to be in the initramfs
[01:43]  * persia is happily corrected
[01:44] <slangasek> putting it in the initramfs means putting the framebuffer in the initramfs, means everything else is delayed until that's done when it could have been started in parallel
[01:44] <slangasek> (also, you might prefer an initramfs that doesn't have, oh, pango)
[01:44] <ogra> why ?
[01:44] <ogra> :)
[01:45] <ccheney> i have enough ram just put all of ubuntu into initramfs :)
[01:45] <Sarvatt> why have a splash at all if it's only going to be shown for ~1 second then?
[01:45] <persia> Um, how long does that take to load when booting?
[01:45] <slangasek> because splash is not the purpose of plymouth, it's just a side-effect :)
[01:46] <slangasek> plymouth gives us serialization of boot-time interaction
[01:46] <ccheney> persia: ~ 2GB linear read, hmm yea more than 10s :)
[01:46] <Sarvatt> it doesnt show the splash until ~9-16 seconds in on my 4 machines, then goes away a second later when X starts
[01:46] <slangasek> and it works on things other than a graphics-capable framebuffer
[01:51] <slangasek> Sarvatt: the job dependency chain there is mountall (virtual-filesystems) -> udev -> udevtrigger -> plymouth-splash; there may be some optimization that needs to be done yet at the mountall stage
[01:52] <slangasek> oh right - ureadahead inserts itself before mountall
[01:53] <Sarvatt> why are the initramfs-tools hooks/scripts still shipped if they don't do anything? its not even possible to put it in the initrd with plymouth-set-default-theme --rebuild-initrd anymore for people who would like to see a splash like in the previous version
[01:54] <slangasek> they do things for certain cases where questions need to be asked in the initramfs
[01:54] <slangasek> (e.g., cryptsetup)
[01:55] <slangasek> you could set the FRAMEBUFFER=y option in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf-hooks.d/ to force it
[02:14] <Raydiation> hm im just packaging a package vor lucid and im in the control file where it says Depends ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[02:14] <Raydiation> i need these dependencies: python-lxml python-django python-mutagen apache2 sqlite3 libapache2-mod-wsgi python-pysqlite
[02:15] <Raydiation> how do i add them?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Raydiation: usually, by adding their corresponding -dev packages to the build depends
[02:25] <Raydiation> Hobbsee: ty
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yw
[02:56] <StevenK> cjwatson: You fixed the grub-pc error that just made -netbook blow up in a screaming heap?
[02:59] <Laibsch> lool: I'd like to talk to you about kasumi if you have a minute
[04:09] <ccheney> why is qemu-arm-static now a recommends of ubuntu-dev-tools?
[04:10] <ccheney> persia: i'm looking at you :-P
[04:10] <ScottK> Reccomends sounds pretty heavy.
[04:10] <ccheney> ScottK: yea sounds a bit odd
[04:10] <ScottK> (even if it's spelled right)
[04:10] <ScottK> I'd say go ahead and drop it to suggests.
[04:11] <ccheney> registration just opened for Debconf 10 :)
[05:08] <micahg> was language-support-translations replaced with language-pack?
[05:09] <Laibsch1> Ubuntu is not present at FOSDEM?
[06:19] <persia> ccheney, ScottK: feel free to make it Suggests: if you think that's better.
[06:26] <micahg> can someone please tell me which package to depend on in place of language-support-translations-XX
[07:21] <dupondje> pitti: nice quick fix for xorg :)
[07:34] <KevinK> I don't suppose anyone knows where I can find a java irc channel do they? #java seems to be invite only. (Thats what IRC is telling me unless im smoking something :)
[07:48] <jussi01> KevinK /msg alis help list
[07:49] <jussi01> KevinK: you can search the channels with alis :)
[07:49] <KevinK> ahh. thanks
[08:45] <lool> Riddell: Not really; sorry; perhaps reassign if these are urgent
[08:50] <Laibsch> lool: Are you coming to FOSDEM?  I'd also like to talk with you about kasumi if you have the time.
[09:04] <lool> Laibsch: I originally intended to but cancelled
[09:04] <Laibsch> unfortunate
[09:04] <lool> Laibsch: I saw your ping earlier, but you weren't online; I'm afraid you pinged me at 3 or 4 am my time
[09:04] <Laibsch> Ubuntu is not present there?
[09:04] <lool> At least one person is going
[09:05] <lool> Probably two
[09:05] <Laibsch> Hehe, me?
[09:05] <lool> (sorry, from Canonical; there are more Ubuntu people coming)
[09:05] <Laibsch> Well
[09:05] <Laibsch> Can we talk briefly about kasumi?
[09:05] <lool> e.g. pkg-multimedia people are coming
[09:05] <lool> Laibsch: Sure
[09:05] <Laibsch> cool
[09:05] <Laibsch> thanks
[09:05] <lool> Laibsch: How did the patches get received upstream?
[09:06] <Laibsch> Ikuya-san, the maintainer of kasumi said they should be in the next release
[09:06] <lool> Laibsch: That's nice, when is it slated for?
[09:06] <Laibsch> but I have seen no activity to that effect in CVS/SVN or whatever they use :-(
[09:07] <Laibsch> not a set date
[09:07] <Laibsch> I previously thought they had a fixed six-months schedule
[09:07] <Laibsch> but that would have been about ten days ago ;-)
[09:07] <lool> Laibsch: Did they give you the impression they understood the changes and the value of the changes?
[09:07] <Laibsch> to be honest
[09:08] <Laibsch> I'm quite sure they don't
[09:08] <Laibsch> At least not Ikuya-San
[09:08] <Laibsch> And I have not had any reaction from anybody else
[09:08] <lool> That's a pity
[09:08] <Laibsch> They will likely apply them nonetheless ;-)
[09:09] <Laibsch> I'll keep pushing the topic from time to time
[09:09] <Laibsch> Anyways
[09:10] <Laibsch> Finding a sponsor has been more difficult than I thought.  So far I've talked to four Japanese DD and they all are generally helpful and well-meaning.
[09:10] <Laibsch> But none of them seem to (knowingly) use the package (not a surprise, it's fairly minimal and could be mistaken to be part of another package)
[09:11] <Laibsch> kasumi is just the front-end to manipulate a dictionary with entries for conversion from Kana characters to Kanji
[09:11] <lool> persia: Do you use kasumi?  ^
[09:11] <Laibsch> lucid DebianImportFreeze is looming and I'm starting to be afraid none of them may act on the thing in time
[09:12] <lool> persia: Context: trying to find people who can review the package
[09:12] <Laibsch> the package is easy enough
[09:12] <lool> Laibsch: Don't worry about DebianImportFreeze, but do try hard to get it in ASAP
[09:12] <Laibsch> it has a fully English interface
[09:12] <Laibsch> Well, I also want to improve scim-anthy which isn't in the best of shapes, either
[09:12] <Laibsch> so, clearing kasumi would help me do that
[09:13] <Laibsch> lool: I think you would be in a position to test the app
[09:13] <Laibsch> it's really VERY simple
[09:13] <Laibsch> if you have the time, I'd appreciate if you considered sponsoring it into Debian
[09:13] <lool> Laibsch: If you tell me upstream will eventually merge the fixes, I'm ok with taking an intermediate package which only has the packaging updates
[09:14] <Laibsch> I have also pinged broonie about it, but the last time I talked to him he said he would be busy for a while.
[09:14] <lool> Laibsch: Could you find one third party to test it in Debian?
[09:14] <lool> I can do the sourceful review and the upload parts, but would prefer if we'd test these
[09:14] <Laibsch> what do you mean intermediate package?
[09:15] <lool> A package with all the fixes we exchanged about, except the autotools ones
[09:15] <Laibsch> what kind of test would you be looking for? start the program, click a few buttons and make sure it doesn't bomb?
[09:15] <Laibsch> intermediate meaning *just* those fixes and nothing else?
[09:15] <lool> Laibsch: Oh more fixes are fine  :)
[09:15] <Laibsch> OK
[09:16] <Laibsch> I was afraid I'd have to pull out other stuff
[09:16] <lool> Laibsch: I just don't think it's maintainable to add the autotools fixes downstream
[09:16] <Laibsch> I wouldn't have had the time
[09:16] <Laibsch> agreed
[09:19] <Laibsch> all the fixes are in the mentors package: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kasumi/kasumi_2.5-1.dsc
[09:28] <Laibsch> lool: what kind of test would you be looking for? start the program, click a few buttons and make sure it doesn't bomb?
[09:28] <Laibsch> has to be done by a DD?  or just a Debian user?
[09:35] <sebnerr> AH, whats with that Bug that mouse and keyboard is not working when gdm starts
[09:43] <lool> Laibsch: Sorry, got distracted by phone
[09:44] <lool> Laibsch: Some trustworthy user or preferably developer would be great
[09:44] <Laibsch> OK
[09:44] <lool> Laibsch: Yeah, just that there are no major regressions basically
[09:44] <Laibsch> I think you could easily verify yourself
[09:44] <Laibsch> The program has what, like 3 buttons?
[09:45] <Laibsch> it *really* is very simple
[10:01] <debfx> why isn't virtualbox-guest-additions synced from debian testing? it doesn't have ubuntu specific changes
[11:05] <Laibsch> ArneGoetje: maybe you'd be available to test the kasumi package as well? (see discussion above with lool)
[15:01] <micahg> hi, can someone please tell me which package to depend on in place of language-support-translations-XX
[15:57] <micahg> pitti: for thunderbird-locales should I depend on language-pack-xx now instead of language-support-translations-XX
[16:57] <lifeless> ls /win 82
[16:58]  * jpds hands lifeless £82.
[17:51] <Keybuk> pitti: hai
[17:51] <Keybuk> pitti: __abort_msg
[18:04] <persia> lool: I don't use it, but you're the second person to ask for it to be reviewed.  I'll take a look.
[18:10] <lifeless> cr3: where art thou?
[18:13] <cr3> lifeless: you found me, and I added you to my calendar just in case I forget... or get distracted by a shiny object
[18:17] <pitti> micahg: I wonder whether we need it at all; these days, language selector installs the necessary packages
[18:17] <pitti> Keybuk: hi
[18:17] <pitti> Keybuk: __abort_msg ?
[18:17] <micahg> pitti: k, but not for thunderbird yet
[18:18] <pitti> oh -- that should be fixed then
[18:18] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah, was just reading the glib bug
[18:18] <Keybuk> are you happy for libnih to just keep on using __abort_msg ?
[18:18] <micahg> yes, but maybe not for Lucid
[18:18] <pitti> Keybuk: sure; I don't have a problem with it, I just reverted it in glib because other distros have apparently
[18:19] <Keybuk> pitti: I made it a weak symbol in libnih
[18:19] <Keybuk> so if glibc doesn't have it, it's not used
[18:28] <lifeless> pitti: yo. package branches... we should talk
[18:46] <pitti> lifeless: o/ (sorry, currently busy with sth. else)
[18:47] <lifeless> pitti: think we can make time before 6pm tomorrow ? :)
[18:47] <pitti> sure
[18:48] <pitti> lifeless: I'll find you after my current task
[18:50] <lifeless> heh, I'm slated with cr3 shortly.
[18:52] <cr3> lifeless: I might be ready earlier, so I'll ping you when ready
[18:52] <lifeless> cr3: I'm still prepping a test package
[18:52] <lifeless> cr3: so no rush
[19:17] <Mad_Gouki> Will Firefox 3.6 be put in the repositories soon or will it be updated when lucid comes out?
[19:18] <micahg> Mad_Gouki: Firefox 3.6 is in Lucid
[19:18] <Mad_Gouki> yes but what about karmic?
[19:18] <hwilde> anybody know if talk and talkd are discontinued or whatnot?
[19:18] <micahg> Mad_Gouki: hmm...at some point...not sure exact;y when yet, you can get from the mozilla team's PPa
[19:19] <micahg> ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable
[19:19] <Mad_Gouki> ah, thank you micahg
[19:22] <sebner> pitti: /me thinks gdm start up too early so keyboard and mouse are not working. I think we had that bug in the past already
[19:36] <alkisg> Today's (or yesterday's, depending on the timezone) updates made my amd64 installation crash after 1-2 minutes of usage. This also happens for me with the i386 daily live.
[19:36] <alkisg> Is there any way to mass-downgrade the following list, to verify which one of them is causing the problem? http://alkisg.pastebin.com/d556fecc
[19:39] <pitti> sebner: weird; it does wait on udev to finish
[19:40] <sebner> pitti: I can't use my mouse or keyboard so I have to do a hard reset. My workaround for now is starting in recovery mode and starting gdm there
[19:40] <mdeslaur> sebner: you get a freeze at the gdm login screen?
[19:41] <sebner> mdeslaur: I'm not sure, I think it's a freeze sometimes and sometimes just not taking input
[19:41] <mdeslaur> sebner: is that with nvidia?
[19:41] <sebner> mdeslaur: aye
[19:41] <sebner> mdeslaur: since yesterday
[19:42] <sebner> mdeslaur: before the last nvidia update(yesterday) though
[19:42] <ion> mdeslaur, sebner: I have that issue due to a race between X and plymouth since a recent plymouth upload. It helps to keep hitting ctrl-alt-F1 immediately when X appears, and to only return to X after getting to the virtual console first.
[19:42] <sebner> hmm
[19:43] <mdeslaur> sebner: I have the same...happens about 1 out of 2 boots. Curiously, this morning when I booted I was frozen at the gdm screen, but when typing I could see graphical corruption near the top of the screen.
[19:43] <sebner> I'll try that
[19:43] <sebner> but I have the feeling that it gdm works normally in 1 out of 10 cases
[19:43] <sebner> mdeslaur: I saw that too a few minutes ago but for the first time
[19:44] <lifeless> james_w: could you send another mail about 'hey here is the udd list and its good' to u-d ?
[19:44] <james_w> lifeless: yes
[19:44] <lifeless> james_w: pitti and seb amongst others were like 'huh' when I asked if they were on the list ;)
[19:44] <lifeless> james_w: cool, thanks
[19:51] <Q-FUNK> hi! is there any instruction on how to convert an init script to an upstart job?
[19:52] <Q-FUNK> I'd like to convert the init scripts of cups and pulseaudio.
[19:53] <lifeless> bryce2: there are other patches I've put in upstream bugzilla but they are cosmetic so I don't really care :)
[20:02] <bryce2> lifeless, well I can pull them in too if you'd like
[20:02] <bryce2> lifeless, btw turned out the patches just needed -p0 instead of -p1
[20:02] <lifeless> ah
[20:03] <lifeless> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26389
[20:03] <bryce2> lifeless, uploading now
[20:03] <bryce2> lifeless, it's been my experience that the xorg-server bug tracker bug reports largely get ignored; upstream pays attention mostly just to the drivers
[20:04] <bryce2> so the trick I usually use for xorg-server bugs is to "accidentally" file them against a driver
[20:04] <bryce2> however in this case since it's an xrandr feature against xvfb, can't use that trick
[20:05] <bdmurray> stgraber: should bug 516403 be invalid then?
[20:05] <bryce2> lifeless, an alternate approach is to give the patches to debian (jcristau @ #debian-x or #ubuntu-x) and he can also push into upstream X git if appropriate
[20:05] <lifeless> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26376
[20:06] <pitti> mdeslaur: would you mind to add upstream bug links to the g-p-m patches?
[20:07] <pitti> mdeslaur: thanks in advance!
[20:07] <cr3> lifeless: ready, where are you?
[20:07] <lifeless> bryce2: those are the other two bugs anyhow
[20:08] <lifeless> cr3: in my chair :). One sec...
[20:09] <bryce2> lifeless, ok in my gtg todo list, I'll take a look within the next few days.
[20:09] <ari-tczew> pitti: could you sponsor merges for main?
[20:09] <lifeless> bryce2: thanks!
[20:09] <mdeslaur> pitti: I haven't submitted them yet...they're to go with gnome-screensaver being a dbus service
[20:09] <lifeless> bryce2: like I say though, they don't really matter - just little things I noticed in the code as I explored the RANDR interface
[20:09] <pitti> ari-tczew: I'm a core-dev, yes
[20:10] <ari-tczew> pitti: have time now?
[20:10] <ari-tczew> I'm waiting too long
[20:10] <pitti> ari-tczew: please just subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[20:10] <pitti> no need to block on a single person
[20:10] <ari-tczew> Subscribed.
[20:10] <lifeless> cr3: ok, I'm waiting for a PPA build
[20:10] <pitti> thanks
[20:10] <lifeless> cr3: so that I have something approximating test code to work with with you
[20:11] <cr3> lifeless: no problem, I have plenty to work on in the meanwhile
[20:12] <lifeless> k I'll  get back to you
[20:12] <ari-tczew> pitti: my debdiffs are there: bug 503136 ; bug 499671
[20:13] <pitti> ari-tczew: I won't touch the dmraid stuff, I don't understand this at all; I can take a look at texinfo
[20:14] <ari-tczew> ok
[20:19] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: I'l take care of dmraid.
[20:21] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: great!
[20:23] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: `There is a newer version in Debian, you may want to merge again with that.
[20:25] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: could you wait for me? give me a 10 minutes
[20:26] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: Sure, take your time.
[20:39] <bdmurray> james_w: does https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~hmontoliu/ubuntu/lucid/denyhosts/fix-516160/+merge/18467 have the right reviewer?
[20:40] <bryce2> apw, good news, -nouveau suspends
[20:40] <bryce2> apw, now resume on the other hand...
[20:41] <persia> heh
[20:43] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: go ahead
[20:44] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: Thanks.
[20:44] <apw> bryce2, ahhh welll, about the same as before then
[20:44] <pitti> ArneGoetje: bug 407649
[20:51] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: Looks good, uploading. I added the launchpad bug to the changelog entry, so it will be closed on upload. Please ensure you add the launchpad bug number to changelog entries in future, so your sponsor request bug gets closed.
[20:51] <bryce2> apw, resume from hibernate also does not work
[20:52] <apw> bah, what is with nvidia h/w, they just love to make it hard .... <- bryce2
[20:53] <ari-tczew> TheMuso, thanks!
[20:53] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: You're welcome.
[20:53] <Flimm> Hello, I'm trying to submit a proposal to freedesktop's mailing lists, but
[20:53] <Flimm> I keep getting "not member" messages whenever I send an email
[20:54] <Flimm> Is there a freedesktop membership?
[20:56] <bryce2> Flimm, yeah gotta join first
[20:56] <Flimm> bryce2: how?
[20:57] <Flimm> I've already subscribed to the mailing list
[20:57] <jdstrand_> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/459554
[20:57] <dpm> ah, thanks jdstrand, looking...
[20:57] <jdstrand_> dpm: thank you! :)
[20:58] <Flimm> I suppose I should join #freedesktop, what was I thinking?
[21:01] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: could you sponsor one simple fakesync by bdrung? bug 511448
[21:02] <TheMuso> james_w: How often does the importer get run? It seems alsa-tools hasn't been updated from debian. Is this a known problem package?
[21:02] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: I'll take a look when I get back in a little while.
[21:08] <alkisg> How can I see if the daily-live 20100202 has xserver-xorg-core 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-1ubuntu9   or -10? I think that's what's causing my crashes...
[21:10] <fale> hi
[21:10] <pitti> alkisg: check the .manifest file on cdimage (same place as the .iso)
[21:10] <alkisg> Ah, sorry, found it at the manifest. It has -ubuntu9, so I bet it'll work fine for me. Downloading..
[21:10] <alkisg> Thank you pitti
[21:11] <ari-tczew> pitti: and what about merge texinfo?
[21:11] <pitti> we'll get to it
[21:13] <peppino87> hi
[21:13] <ari-tczew> hello
[21:14] <james_w> TheMuso: it's not know problematic, I asked it to ensure that alsa-tools is up to date
[21:15] <fale> hi peppino87
[21:15] <peppino87> how do you create the official live-cds?
[21:16] <cjwatson> the livecd-rootfs package builds the live filesystems
[21:16] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline (and the stuff in configs/devel there) deals with ISO assembly
[21:19] <peppino87> cjwatson: thank you
[21:26] <ari-tczew> pitti, TheMuso: could you sponsor too small fakesync? bug 512430
[21:29] <peppino87> cjwatson: do you have any how-to or similar to create an ISO?
[21:34]  * fale is also interested in peppino87's question... anyone knows?
[22:01] <TheMuso> james_w: Thanks.
[22:01] <james_w> TheMuso: should be up to date now
[22:01] <TheMuso> cheers
[22:05] <crimsun> would an archve admin please accept ptlib so that I can test opal?
[22:06] <maxb> james_w: Hi - do you know when you might be able to have a look at bug 516464?  Wondering whether I should consider doing a non-UDD merge, in absence of a working import.
[22:15] <james_w> maxb: looking
[22:21] <bryce2> apw, I plugged a GeForce 7600 in, and it does resume, but freezes with a white screen :-/
[22:21] <bryce2> apw, however it does not have the crash-on-invert-screen issue that the G8x cards did
[22:28] <ari-tczew> james_w: could you sponsor 3 small fakesyncs for main?
[22:28] <slangasek> why do you need to fakesync?
[22:28] <slangasek> orig.tar.gz skew?
[22:29] <ari-tczew> cleaning repositories
[22:29] <ari-tczew> this is a problem?
[22:29] <apw> bryce2, some good some bad
[22:29] <directhex> it looks like i'm not the only one totally confused about the correct place to put browser plugins these days
[22:30] <slangasek> ari-tczew: I'm asking why a fakesync is needed; I guess james_w knows since he's the one who said it was needed :)
[22:30] <james_w> yeah orig.tar.gz mismatch
[22:30] <ari-tczew> for autosync in future
[22:31] <directhex> /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/libgnashplugin.so - okay, that's a new record for messed-up-ness
[22:31] <directhex> wait, sofiles in /usr/share? sigh
[22:32] <bryce2> apw, I'm pretty much done for now if you'd like to poke on the box.  otherwise tseliot's going to test some jockey stuff
[22:32] <ari-tczew> bug 511448 ; bug 517297 ; bug 512430
[22:34] <james_w> ari-tczew: I don't have time right now I'm afraid, my stack is a bit deep
[22:35] <ari-tczew> so maybe someone else can do it ?
[22:35] <bdrung> when was the last auto sync? tabmixplus is in testing since over an week, but it is still not synced.
[22:37] <cjwatson> bdrung: about four hours ago
[22:37] <cjwatson> but it didn't include new packages, which tabmixplus is
[22:38] <bdrung> cjohnston: it would be nice if the new package were included. i know at least three of them.
[22:38] <cjwatson> I've synced tabmixplus since you asked nicely; a full new-source run will have to wait a bit
[22:39] <cjwatson> and I'm cjwatson not cjohnston ;-)
[22:39] <bdrung> cjwatson: sorry, that's due to tab completion ;)
[22:40] <bdrung> cjwatson: will a new-source sync be run before feature freeze?
[22:40] <cjwatson> yes
[22:42] <bdrung> good
[22:42] <bdrung> cjwatson: thanks for the answers and the sync
[22:46]  * micahg won't ask for a sync of dojo then :)
[23:00] <cjwatson> micahg: individual syncs aren't a problem, I'm just too deep in something else to deal with the fiddly bits of a full new-source sync ... done dojo
[23:02] <ari-tczew> TheMuse: ping
[23:03]  * persia suspects a need for s/e:/o:/
[23:04] <mneptok> ari-tczew: tab-complete is your friend.
[23:04]  * mneptok and persia seem to be mind-melded
[23:06] <ari-tczew> mneptok: nobody is perfect
[23:06] <mneptok> ari-tczew: if you look up that axiom in The Great Compedium, you'll see my photo
[23:06] <mneptok> +n
[23:07] <micahg> cjwatson: thanks..it wasn't urgent, just wanted it in Lucid :)
[23:07] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: ping
[23:09] <ari-tczew> mneptok: why I need see your photo? ; o
[23:10] <cr3> pitti: are you familiar with the dbus error: Connection ":1.44" is not allowed to own the service "com..." due to security policies in the configuration file?
[23:10] <cr3> pitti: the dbus system configuration says something like <policy user="root"><allow own="com.." /></policy>
[23:10] <pitti> cr3: it usually means that you are lacking a /etc/dbus-1/system.d/packagename.conf with an "allow own" stanza
[23:11] <cr3> pitti: I have /etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.ubuntu.checkbox.conf
[23:11] <pitti> cr3: do you actually run the process as root?
[23:12] <cr3> pitti: yes
[23:13] <cr3> pitti: oh wait, on the client side, I run the process as the user but it is the backend called through dbus which should be started as root
[23:13] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: pong
[23:13] <pitti> cr3: your .service file has User=root ?
[23:13] <cr3> pitti: for the user, I believe this is the corresponding policy: <policy context="default"><allow send_destination="com.ubuntu.checkbox" send_interface="com.ubuntu.checkbox" /></policy>
[23:14] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: have time for sponsor fake syncs?
[23:14] <TheMuso> ari-tczew: no
[23:14] <pitti> cr3: right, but that's for receiving messages, not owning
[23:14] <ari-tczew> pitti: got time?
[23:15] <pitti> please; we'll get to it, but we are at a sprint this week
[23:16] <bdrung> ari-tczew: btw, you should fill your motu application with real data
[23:16] <ari-tczew> bdrung: huh? current I'm not applicating to MOTU
[23:17] <cr3> pitti: /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/com.ubuntu.checkbox.service indeed contains User=root
[23:17] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArturRona/MOTUApplication
[23:17] <pitti> cr3: if you run the daemon manually with sudo, do you get the same error?
[23:19] <cr3> pitti: works when running the client as root
[23:19] <persia> Just having a template page doesn't constitute an application :)  Lots of people spend time preparing them.
[23:19] <pitti> cr3: no, the server
[23:20] <cr3> pitti: the server, defined in the .service file, runs fine as root. actually, it logs to /var/log/checkbox.log by default and the log was empty when attempting to run the client, as if dbus never started the server
[23:22] <pitti> cr3: ok, sounds like you don't give the client enough privileges then?
[23:23] <bdrung> doko: can you have a look at bug #517288?
[23:30] <cr3> pitti: I purged and reinstalled the package, then everything works again. so this might be an upgrade problem, I'll have a closer look
[23:31] <mpt> mvo, tremolux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=diff&rev2=327&rev1=326
[23:36] <lifeless> anyone know where jkakar is?
[23:37] <elmo> lifeless: on a plane
[23:37] <elmo> or at least heading to the airport
[23:37] <lifeless> ah
[23:37] <lifeless> thanks
[23:58] <lifeless> cjwatson: bug 516344 is the xdg uesr dirs one, if you care.


[19:41] <dandrader> phew, double tap to switch to previous window is ready
[19:42] <cnd> dandrader, sweet!
[19:42] <cnd> I'm getting excited
[19:42] <cnd> new gestures to play with!


[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Day Against Child Labour and happy Loving Day! :-D
[18:31] <zbir> beuno: ping
[18:31] <beuno> zbir!
[18:32] <zbir> ¡hola!
[18:32] <beuno> you pulled out the reverse exclamation marks, this must be serious
[18:33] <zbir> ha, no. Was just wondering if there's any current way to download a folder as a .zip archive from U1
[18:33] <beuno> zbir, unfortunately, no
[18:34] <zbir> sad panda
[18:35] <beuno> indeed


[10:31] <Scratch> Good morning lads
[10:31] <Scratch> Whats the craic
[10:31] <Scratch> ;)
[10:40] <zmoylan-pi> on a sunday?
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> the exciting part of friday was picking up a copy of linuxvoice with an article 'how to hack' on the cover :-)
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> still a step up from a hacking for dummies book i saw in easons a while back.
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> today i will be adding a little security to my rasp pi and trying alpine as email client
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> still haven't decided if i'm going to put it on internet.
[11:12] <Scratch> :)
[11:13] <Scratch> I just installed apache :) Not sure why though
[11:13] <Scratch> lol
[11:13] <Scratch> I mean its probable going to have a lame ass Hi welcome to my website page on it


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[15:05] <elopio> accelerator[m]: hello
[15:06] <elopio> talk about what?
[15:09] <daniellimws[m]> I think it's about his pr
[15:09] <daniellimws[m]> he wants you to have a look
[15:17] <accelerator[m]> elopio : daniellimws is right..You said to fix it and then you would merge it...I have already fixed the issues and the travis tests were successful..I would be grateful if you could have a look☺
[15:25] <elopio> accelerator[m]: we are trying to make a release, so no merges for now. But be patient, we'll get to it as soon as we can.
[15:26] <Accelerator> elopio: Alright thanks :D


[07:47] <passiveobserver> someone here can maybe help me with configuring emacs to write hebrew text rtl in cygwin anyone has experience maybe?
[07:47] <passiveobserver> I can see hebrew fonts but, the letters appear left-to right
[07:48] <passiveobserver> fonts -> glyphs *
[07:49] <passiveobserver> basically I'm in a console editor (aka emacs -nw) that can read/write unicode hebrew text files
[07:49] <passiveobserver> in search for*
[09:47] <demon^eye> wb avi
[09:47] <demon^eye> :D
[09:48] <Egbert9e9> eye of the beholder
[09:48] <demon^eye> LOL
[09:48] <demon^eye> my 20 years old nick name
[09:48] <demon^eye> that what it is :D
[09:48] <Egbert9e9> beholders were my favourite monsters out of the AD&D monster compendiums
[09:49] <demon^eye> just switch to linux so dont count on me LOL
[09:49] <demon^eye> yes .  i know that game ...
[09:49] <demon^eye> back in the days ;)
[09:49] <Egbert9e9> old skuul
[09:49] <demon^eye> jap :)
[09:49] <Egbert9e9> we rarely passed character creation stage, though...
[09:50] <demon^eye> u from il ?
[09:50] <Egbert9e9> yep
[09:50] <demon^eye> אהה סבבה
[09:50] <Egbert9e9> סבביישן
[09:50] <demon^eye> חדר קטן איפה כול הפריקים
[09:50] <Egbert9e9> יש כמה ב-#israel
[09:50] <Egbert9e9> כאן דיי שקט
[09:50] <demon^eye> צריך להרשם לשרת לא בא לי כרגע להתעסק בזה
[09:50] <Egbert9e9> אה, נכון... :|
[09:51] <Egbert9e9> רוצה שארשם בשבילך?
[09:51] <demon^eye> כן
[09:51] <Egbert9e9> שניה, אולי אוכל לשנות?
[09:51] <demon^eye> תודה אחי אבל אני מכיר טוב מירק
[09:51] <demon^eye> זה כמה שניות
[09:51] <demon^eye> .../msg nickserv register... pass
[09:51] <demon^eye> מכיר
[09:51] <demon^eye> אין לי סלנות לזה עכשו
[09:51] <demon^eye> חחחחחחח
[09:51] <demon^eye> אתה מבין טוב בלינוקס?
[09:52] <Egbert9e9> שניה, משנה את ה-mode
[09:52] <demon^eye> ok
[09:52] <Egbert9e9> how about now?
[09:52] <Egbert9e9> /join #israel
[09:53] <demon^eye> now ok
[09:53] <demon^eye> תודה
[09:54] <demon^eye> mode - i ? :D
[09:54] <Egbert9e9> demon^eye: still, #israel is pretty quiet. everyone're working
[09:54] <Egbert9e9> i?
[09:54] <demon^eye> mode - r
[09:54] <Egbert9e9> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[09:54] <demon^eye> ךא זוכר
[09:54] <demon^eye> לא..
[09:55] <Egbert9e9> r is for registered
[09:55] <Egbert9e9> i is for invite only
[09:56] <demon^eye> u right
[09:56] <demon^eye> i forgot it all ... :D mostly mix it up ha
[09:57] <Egbert9e9> i have to go
[09:58] <demon^eye> cya
[09:58] <demon^eye> ;)
[16:42] <Avihay> passiveobserver: I think EMACS is it's own OS. it probably has it's own support channel :-P
[17:10] <demon^eye> Avihay,  : are u here?
[17:10] <Avihay> ya, I'm here
[17:11] <demon^eye> u know... about this mp3 issue we have last night
[17:11] <demon^eye> i was thinking on it
[17:11] <demon^eye> and i see the names are ok
[17:12] <demon^eye> i can see the heb names ok when they are not in the player
[17:12] <demon^eye> so its something with INSIDE details which give us this issue
[17:12] <demon^eye> what do u think?
[17:12] <demon^eye> i can also send U an mp3 file for u to check out
[17:16] <Avihay> ok
[17:17] <demon^eye> ok i am on it
[17:53] <demon^eye> ב
[17:54] <demon^eye> avi
[17:54] <demon^eye> are u here?
[17:54] <demon^eye> accept file
[17:58] <Avihay> umm, yhe, you can't send to me over IRC
[17:58] <demon^eye> any idea why
[18:02] <Avihay> ya, both a router and an IRC bouncer in the way
[18:16] <demon^eye> I UNDERSTAN
[18:16] <demon^eye> D
[18:17] <demon^eye> מה הפונט שאתה משתמש בכרום?
[18:18] <demon^eye> הפונטים שהוא מציע שונים מכרום של חלונות
[18:19] <demon^eye> http://www.datafilehost.com/d/7c345737
[18:19] <demon^eye> הקובץ פה
[18:19] <demon^eye> של ה MP3
[18:19] <demon^eye> תבדוק מה קורה איתו  אחי
[18:46] <demon^eye> avi
[18:46] <demon^eye> u see the link?
[19:03] <baaaaaaah> היי כולם. בדיקת עברית בדיקת עברית. עובד?
[19:09] <demon^eye> כן
[19:13] <baaaaaaah> תודה
[19:13] <baaaaaaah> אז מה שלומכם כאן חברים?
[19:14] <baaaaaaah> אני אחרי הרבה זמן ללא צ'אטים ומעט אינטרנט ומצאתי שבשנה האחרונה אצלי דברים ממש משתפרים לטובה
[19:30] <demon^eye> מה
[19:30] <demon^eye> איפה היית בצבא?
[19:47] <baaaaaaah> לא הייתי בצבא ואני שמח כנראה מצד אחד אבל גם די מתוסכל שזה לא קרה. אבל יותר אני שמח שזה דווקא לא קרה. איפה אתה היית בצבא??
[20:28] <Avihay> Ok, I finished my fb round
[20:29] <Avihay> the tags in that file are fine
[20:50] <Avihay> demon^eye: http://pastebin.com/CRj4FCfN
[20:50] <Avihay> this version is smarter
[20:51] <Avihay> it will let you tell it what dir to start in, and it will run recursivly
[20:51] <Avihay> well, I can make it even smarter, sec
[20:54] <Avihay> demon^eye:  http://pastebin.com/T3QgXZf5
[20:54] <Avihay> this will only look for files with names in greek to begin with, so it won't bother you with every mp3 in your collection
[20:56] <Avihay> and I just went a step forward and ran it on ALL my music (and downloads) collection, and it only found some text in some songs in Japanese
[20:57] <Avihay> it asked me if I want to change it or not, I said no, and that was the end of story
[21:21] <demon^eye> lo avi
[21:22] <demon^eye> many 10x , i will try it
[21:31] <Avihay> tell me how well it worked and what an awsome programmer I am :-P
[21:46] <demon^eye> LOL
[21:50] <demon^eye> דדדדדד
[21:51] <demon^eye> avi u here?
[21:51] <demon^eye> i just need to run it?
[21:52] <demon^eye> chmod +x mp.py
[21:52] <demon^eye> mp = my new name
[22:01] <demon^eye> i did
[22:01] <demon^eye> nothing happen
[22:02] <demon^eye> i add new "bad" mp3 to the list ...it doesn’t ask nothing ...
[22:18] <Avihay> chmod +x <filename> just marks a file as an executeable
[22:18] <Avihay> demon^eye:  after you did that to the file, you can ./mp.py [directory] to run it
[22:19] <Avihay> or <folder where the script is>/mp.py [directory]
[22:20] <Avihay> you can also
[22:20] <Avihay> sudo cp mp.py /usr/bin
[22:20] <Avihay> to put the file in the path, so that you could run it like any command
[22:20] <Avihay> also, you need to run it from the terminal cause it expects input from you
[22:25] <demon^eye> what i need to do is to "over" every file with your script to kill the prob?
[22:25] <demon^eye> or any dir contains the files?
[22:26] <Avihay> any dir, I guess. it now goes through all the sub-folders
[22:26] <demon^eye> and i got millions of it like 1/2/3/4/5
[22:26] <Avihay> I have ~/Music and ~/downloads/music
[22:26] <demon^eye> tons :D
[22:27] <Avihay> if you ./mp.py 1 it will do 1 and 1/2 and 1/2/3 and so on
[22:27] <demon^eye> did u try it?
[22:27] <demon^eye> i will try for 1 file .. lol
[22:27] <Avihay> [22:56:56] <Avihay> and I just went a step forward and ran it on ALL my music (and downloads) collection, and it only found some text in some songs in Japanese
[22:27] <Avihay> [22:57:22] <Avihay> it asked me if I want to change it or not, I said no, and that was the end of story
[22:28] <demon^eye> hamm
[22:28] <demon^eye> welp if it work for u it will for me...
[22:29] <demon^eye> but i am afraid to do such action on all my songs...
[22:29] <Avihay> copy a sample folder and work on that
[22:29] <Avihay> I can't guaranty it's 100% safe, but I did all I could to ensure it works right
[22:30] <demon^eye> yes mate , many 10x for that ... u should make it a software so ppl use it
[22:30] <demon^eye> i mean it a must :D
[22:31] <Avihay> the problem is how to distribute it
[22:31] <demon^eye> threw ubuntu d/l center?
[22:31] <demon^eye> thing like that can back off ppl using linux
[22:32] <Avihay> it won't find it's way into ubuntu's repositories, unless it becomes realy usefull and complex
[22:32] <demon^eye> ic :\
[22:33] <demon^eye> now i will test it also
[22:33] <demon^eye> i get lazy a little bit since all of this is new 2 me... :)
[22:33] <Avihay> well, you are trying
[22:34] <Avihay> and you are learning in the process
[22:34] <demon^eye> u got it right :)
[22:37] <Avihay> well?
[22:37] <demon^eye> just copy 1 bady to home/download
[22:37] <demon^eye> now...
[22:37] <demon^eye> chmod + x <filename> ?
[22:38] <Avihay> no, just chmod +x mp.py
[22:38] <Avihay> you only need to do that once
[22:38] <demon^eye> already done it ...
[22:38] <Avihay> that marks mp.py as an executeable, and not a text file
[22:38] <Avihay> ok
[22:38] <demon^eye> but nothing happen
[22:38] <Avihay> well, the simpelest is to cd into downloads, and then just
[22:38] <Avihay> ./mp.py
[22:39] <demon^eye> oki lets try
[22:39] <Avihay> so cd ~/downloads or use a relative path
[22:40] <demon^eye> i am there
[22:40] <demon^eye> run the chmod command
[22:41] <Avihay> then ./mp.py
[22:41] <Avihay> or ./mp.py .
[22:41] <demon^eye> when doing /mp.py it says
[22:41] <demon^eye> bash: /mp.py: No such file or directory
[22:41] <Avihay> or ./mp.py ~/downloads
[22:41] <demon^eye> with dot ?
[22:41] <Avihay> you need a dot before the /
[22:41] <demon^eye> ha
[22:41] <Avihay> . = current folder
[22:42] <demon^eye> OW
[22:42] <demon^eye> tell him yes?
[22:42] <Avihay> by default, bash doesn't run stuff in the current folder
[22:42] <Avihay> only if you want
[22:42] <Avihay> try a no first
[22:42] <demon^eye> yes i want lol
[22:42] <demon^eye> lets see what it did ;)
[22:42] <Avihay> then y, and then enter
[22:44] <demon^eye> i dont think it is working or its is my bad
[22:44] <demon^eye> i add the file again to the list  still gibrish
[22:44] <Avihay> show me the output
[22:44] <Avihay> this script just fixes the filename, not the tags
[22:44] <demon^eye> Rename: øàåáï äîìàê - ø÷ äàîåðä.mp3 	to: ראובן המלאך - רק האמונה.mp3 ?(y,N,a)y
[22:44] <Avihay> ok, that fix the filename
[22:45] <Avihay> fixed
[22:45] <demon^eye> yes, but in the player i can read it
[22:45] <demon^eye> gibrish...
[22:45] <Avihay> in all the files you've sent me, the tags were fine
[22:46] <Avihay> well, I'll need a sample, and I need my sleep now
[22:46] <demon^eye> tags are gibrish i think when u do "properties " on them
[22:46] <Avihay> a sample file*
[22:47] <demon^eye> i wonder why the rhythbox still show it in gibrish
[22:47] <Avihay> try vlc
[22:47] <demon^eye> same
[22:48] <demon^eye> but
[22:48] <demon^eye> didnt test the fixed one
[22:48] <Avihay> ...
[22:48] <demon^eye> lets see now
[22:49] <demon^eye> vlc  also gibberish a
[22:49] <Avihay> then give me that file
[22:49] <demon^eye> send it via here?
[22:49] <demon^eye> or u/l to server
[22:50] <Avihay> https://rtccopy.com/
[22:50] <Avihay> let's try that
[22:51] <Avihay> https://rtccopy.com/#utf8problems
[22:51] <Avihay> demon^eye:  ^
[22:51] <demon^eye> http://www.datafilehost.com/d/a2a91c91
[22:52] <demon^eye> already u/l :D
[22:53] <Avihay> that's wierd, because the file seems fine to me, inside vlc too
[22:54] <demon^eye> its display the name in hebrew inside VLC?
[22:54] <demon^eye> THE HEB NAME?
[22:56] <Avihay> ya
[22:56] <demon^eye> oww
[22:56] <Avihay> both artist and title are in hebrew
[22:57] <demon^eye> so now i am sure i didnt tick something it system setting some where...
[22:57] <Avihay> I'ma go to sheep (sleep now). I'll have a little look at it tomorrow
[22:58] <demon^eye> many 10x avi i am off now 2
[22:58] <demon^eye>  :)
[22:58] <Avihay> well, atleast you can fix all your file-names
[22:58] <demon^eye> LOL
[22:58] <demon^eye> but that reslove noting for me (atm)
[22:58] <Avihay> wha? file names are important too
[22:59] <Avihay> night
[22:59] <demon^eye> i can see the file name ok when it is in the .home/downloads
[22:59] <demon^eye> הבעיה רק שמעביר אותו לאחד מהנגנים האלה


[16:55] <boquete> Hello.
[18:55] <rhizo> hi folks
[18:56] <holstein> o/
[22:35] <combinatoric> I need some help getting my UbuntuStudio to update. i'm getting an error msg to the like of there's not enough space in my boot folder
[22:36] <combinatoric> I don't want to clear that folder if it's going to cause issues so if someone can let me know it's safe to delete files in the folder before I proceed that would be great
[22:45] <tdz_> combinatoric: there are all the old kernels, you can safely delete them and the corresponding initrds if your actual system is working
[22:45] <combinatoric> ok thanks. I tried sudo apt-get clean
[22:46] <combinatoric> I just didn't want it to mess with my boot up if something changes
[22:46] <combinatoric> I wasn't sure what that folder was for or if it has crucial files for booting
[22:51] <tdz_> combinatoric: on /boot are your kernels, initrds and the grub-related stuff
[22:52] <combinatoric> but if you delete them you aren't jeopardizing your grub or future boots?
[22:56] <tdz_> well, you just need one kernel to boot a system, don't you?
[23:00]  * zenpho gotta go - g'night all!


[18:39] <S-1438> ubuntulog, i have a dual boot system (ubuntu/Windows 7). everything works fine but I would like to change the order that the operating systems appear on the initial login screen. I would like Windows 7 first on the list and then Ubuntu. (12.04.2
[18:39] <S-1438> is there a way to do that?


[04:30] <Pikkachu> doesn't bazaar keep track of hidden files in windows?
[04:31] <Pikkachu> no output for bzr diff && bzr status when I changed some files to be hidden
[04:56] <bob2> it doesn't version permissions and modes aside from executableness
[05:25] <Pikkachu> ah ok
[05:25] <Pikkachu> thanks
[05:26] <bob2> well, at least in the past anyway
[12:48] <wgz> thanks for the ppa updates maxb
[13:07] <LarstiQ> hmm, http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/UserPreferences doesn't seem to work
[13:08] <LarstiQ> that or the login functionality
[13:15] <wgz> try again, for some reason the wiki has been flakey recently
[13:18] <LarstiQ> wgz: I think my problem is due to moving wiki infrastructure. It redirects me to ubuntu-sso, which I don't have.
[13:19] <LarstiQ> wgz: do you know how I can contact the responsible sysadmins?
[13:21] <wgz> not really, I presume asking in the internal #is channel someone would tell me, but not sure over the weekend
[13:21] <wgz> probably just posting something the the bazaar list is the best idea
[13:22] <fullermd> Eh, the wiki login went all wonky for me years back when it switch to bouncing through LP, and never recovered (at least, not so's I noticed).
[13:24] <LarstiQ> wgz: right, I'll do that when I'm out of ideas
[14:27] <jelmer> LarstiQ: you do have ubuntu-sso, it's just the same as the launchpad logins
[14:28] <LarstiQ> jelmer: it has a different set of email addresses
[14:30] <LarstiQ> jelmer: so it looks like there is at least _some_ divergence
[14:33] <jelmer> oh, that's odd
[14:33] <jelmer> IIRC the Launchpad SSO and Ubuntu SSO are just the same thing
[14:35] <LarstiQ> jelmer: from where I sit I'd guess they took a copy of my data at the time
[14:35] <LarstiQ> but that may well be far off the mark :)
[14:39] <maxb> LarstiQ: Launchpad SSO and Ubuntu SSO are the same thing.  BUT Launchpad and Launchpad SSO are not, and each have their own list of emails
[14:39] <maxb> Yes, this is mad.
[14:40] <maxb> It's an unfortunate result of separating SSO whilst attempting to avoid upsetting people who would be upset by Launchpad depending on not-Launchpad something
[14:40] <LarstiQ> maxb: aaah
[14:41] <LarstiQ> maxb: also from a ux perspective, when I'm already logged into launchpad, having ubuntu-sso prompt for credentials makes it seem different
[14:46] <maxb> It's a bit of an UX disaster all round :-/
[14:47] <maxb> There is a special perversity to *Single* Sign On *Doubly* Branded
[14:50] <LarstiQ> heh :)
[15:47] <jelmer> hmm, when did GPGStrategy grow into the 10-feet monster that it is?
[19:23] <antono> yo!
[19:23] <antono> how can i create local colocated branch in bzr 2.5 ?
[19:24] <antono> git checkout -b new_branch == bzr ... ?
[19:27] <jelmer> antono: "bzr switch -b new_branch"; though it should be noted that colocated branches are still experimental and unpolished
[19:27] <antono> jelmer: i want to try it anyway
[19:27] <antono> jelmer: thanks!
[19:29] <antono> jelmer: it works :) all other workflow stays the same as before?
[19:29] <antono> one problem. when i switched to new branch then bzr branches does not show previous trunk
[19:30] <jelmer> antono: right, that's one of the things that's still unpolished
[19:30] <jelmer> the first time you switch to a colocated branch you probably want to run "bzr switch -b trunk"
[19:31] <antono> exactly what i did :)
[19:31] <antono> not sure what will be remote repository for trunk now
[19:48] <antono> jelmer: how can i merge one colocated branch to another?
[19:52] <jelmer> antono: "bzr merge file:.,branch=someotherbranch"
[19:53] <jelmer> antono: eventually it should be "bzr merge co:someotherbranch"
[19:53] <antono> jelmer: last one looks better
[19:54] <antono> jelmer: thanks
[20:05] <LarstiQ> jelmer: or possibly `bzr merge someotherbranch` even?
[20:06] <jelmer> LarstiQ: possibly, though we need to watch out for ambiguity
[20:09]  * LarstiQ nods
[20:41] <LarstiQ> sinzui \o/
[22:13] <wilx> Hi.
[22:14] <wilx> Can I move branches/directories inside a repository into sub-directories while keeping them ok/functional?
[22:15] <wgz> yep.
[22:18] <wilx> Cool. Thanks.
[23:15] <maxb> Hmm, interesting. The dulwich test hang on lucid/maverick is client.fetch_pack(...) blocking forever on a socket read
[23:18] <maxb> looks like I can get away with building dulwich on maverick just by deleting the tutorial doctest
[23:31] <wgz> hm, doctests strike again


[01:09] <jose> mhall119: found out, oscon booth price is $0
[01:13] <pleia2> yeah, the community-run open source project booths are free at oscon <3
[01:13] <pleia2> and they get a few expo hall passes for staff running them
[02:32] <mhall119> jose: we can probably afford that :)
[02:32] <jose> pleia2: oh, didn't know that
[02:32] <jose> mhall119: woot woot! can I consider that as a 'yes' to get things in motion?
[02:33] <mhall119> yes :)
[02:33] <jose> \o/
[02:34] <pleia2> bkerensa and the Oregon team ran the booth in years past, they would be worth talking to (even though it's not in Oregon next year, lots of experience!)
[07:52] <popey> morning
[08:03] <czajkowski> OSCON++
[08:03] <czajkowski> cannot wait, have another OSCON in October and then next year USA. Although it's very commercial, it's a good event to meet pepole
[21:13] <jcastro> mhall119: yo
[21:15] <mhall119> jcastro: what's up?
[21:15] <jcastro> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3inaf7/can_we_stop_downvoting_people_who_disagree_on/
[21:15] <jcastro> can I get some support on this?
[21:15] <jcastro> I kind of want /r/ubuntu to not turn into /r/opposite/r/linux
[21:16] <jcastro> where people are wailing on people if they disagree instead of the quality of dicussion
[21:17] <mhall119> jcastro: ack, upvoted and will read and/or comment when I'm off this call
[21:17] <jcastro> ack
[21:17] <mhall119> in general, /r/Ubuntu isn't anything like /r/linux
[21:17] <mhall119> it's much better, and has great mods
[21:17] <jcastro> so on some subreddits if you hover over downvotes it tells you "don't downvote if you disagree, downvote if this comment is crap"
[21:17] <jcastro> right
[21:17] <jcastro> I just want to keep it constructive and not a shitfest
[21:18] <mhall119> +1
[21:18] <jcastro> like, I want to engage people who have complaints
[21:19] <jcastro> I am looking for a middle ground though, I want to listen, and help fix things


[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> After being on many of these channels for a while, I've thought of some ideas that might help better the IRC support channels. Thoughts, questions, and critique all welcome. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ffpg55MWMP/
[03:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Clicking the "View Raw" button will make it ten times easier to read.)
[04:02] <Bashing-om> arraybolt3[m]: I have read what you wrote ^ - I do applaud your willingness to attempt to make support the better. Fresh insights are always a good thing. However, any change to channel operations must be through the channel operators.
[04:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Of course. This was just bouncing some ideas around. (I know channel ops are in this thread, at least tomreyn is anyway, so I figured this would be a good place.)
[04:08] <arraybolt3[m]> s/thread/channel
[04:29] <Bashing-om> arraybolt3[m]: Yeah - here is a good place to start the discussion.
[10:53] <oerheks>  /clear
[17:08] <enigma9o7[m]> I started reading the document.  Kinda annoying you gotta login to use the raw view....         anyway just going thru now, and the first thing I noticed, is that you mention element truncates the topic or something... it doesn't for me.....
[17:08]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (72KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xhfFWZNTgsKqMfAJjYMHjvDt/2022-07-05-100809.png >
[17:11] <enigma9o7[m]> You also say "Element squishes it to high heaven, colors it gray, and then puts it in a spot where the user has a good chance of missing it entirely." and sure the color is grey, but its prominently displayed at the top of the screen all t he time, so I dunno, not easy to miss.
[17:12] <enigma9o7[m]> That being said, I've been following #ubuntu a few months now and have never clicked on that guidelines link.
[17:17] <enigma9o7[m]> As to dontasktoask.com type stuff, sure telling someone about it just wastes time that time, but it means for the next 100 times they ask questions the rest of their life you won't have to tell them again.
 "That being said, I've been..." <- And that my friend is the problem.
 "As to dontasktoask.com type..." <- Makes sense on the surface, but I've watched at least one, maybe two users get chased off. Maybe we can make it something we do at the end of the support session, rather than right out of the starting gate?
[18:45] <sarnold> no one ever *reads* the channel topic, except to find out if the channel looks like it might be the right place
[18:46] <sarnold> I've been in ##crypto for something like 15 or 20 years and despite clearly saying that it isn't about cryptocurrency in the topic, every few days someone comes in and asks about their favourite pump-and-dump scheme..
[18:46] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: Sadly, true. If IRC clients would highlight it in red with bright yellow text, people would probably read it right quick. But instead they print it in gray or something and make it tricky to spot if you aren't purposefully looking for it. Thus the "automated bot private message" idea.
[18:48] <sarnold> yellow on red is hard to read though
[18:48] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: OK how on planet earth did you just pull that off. I didn't even know IRC could do that and Matrix is showing it just fine.
[18:49] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: there's a table of colour numbers on https://www.mirc.com/colors.html -- I just type ^C8,4 and make everyone miserable :D
[18:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Well tell Ubottu to do that to every new user it sees! And make it echo the channel topic.
[18:49] <sarnold> lol
[18:50] <arraybolt3[m]> (yellow on red isn't strictly necessary, but just SOMETHING to make it stand out.)
[18:50] <sarnold> the trouble with the "to every new user" thing is that eg chanserv will send "entry message" things to people, and it's *amazing* to see how many of them collect in one place when services restarts, or my client restarts..
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess since I'm on Matrix, I don't notice it so much, but I do remember copious amounts of junk appearing in my ChanServ stuff.
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I also learned to tune out ChanServ in about 10 seconds after opening IRC for the first time...
[18:52] <arraybolt3[m]> (What's with us stubborn humans?)
[18:54] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess by "every new user" I meant, like, Ubottu could keep a list of nicknames its seen before, and if a new one showed up, it would PM the user with the IRC guidelines link and then add them to the "seen" list.
[18:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, I've got another idea to make things stand out. We've learned from experience with so many different things that warning a user rarely works. But having something outright fail will virtually always get someone's attention. What if the first time you joined #ubuntu, Ubottu (or whatever) instantly booted you and gave you a PM with the IRC guidelines data, then added you to the seen list. You'd be allowed in the second time.
[23:29] <hggdh> when you join a channel, the topic is (usually, at least with weechat) printed, and any PvNotices are also printed. But I am not sure we can force anyone to read them
[23:31] <Jeremy31> People can read the topic?
[23:33] <oerheks> topic here is 84, right?
[23:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, they can, but on many chat clients, the topic kinda hides. Element plops it in grey color at the top of the screen when you hardly ever look at the top of the screen. Quassel colors it grey, making it less noticeable. I think Konversation did that too.
[23:34] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: what?
[23:35] <hggdh> but this is something that only the client's devs can fix. I do agree that it is not ideal
[23:36] <hggdh> on my weechat, the topic is printed in red with a light-ish blue background. This combination is guaranteed to make it impossible for me to read it
[23:36] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: That's true, but there should be other ways to come at it. I don't think a client dev is going to change their UI because one Libera.Chat channel asked nicely, but we have full control over Ubottu and the like.
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> hggdh: ack (re: on my weechat...)
[23:37] <hggdh> and a lot of channels (not all, mind you) block colouring by posts
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> (ack as in yikes)
[23:37] <hggdh> :-)
[23:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, the color change idea might not have been so good.
[23:38] <hggdh> it was worth trying. For me, is by the exchange of ideas that I work best