[12:03] <nixternal> what ip is your laptop?
[12:03] <Prak> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:03] <Prak> i set it to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:03] <nixternal> you don't want to use an ip though that is in the dhcp range
[12:03] <nixternal> set it to .101
[12:03] <Prak> ok
[12:03] <nixternal> just for testing now
[12:03] <Prak> ok
[12:03] <Prak> done
[12:03] <Prak> restart the connection?
[12:03] <nixternal> you set gateway and subnet alo?
[12:03] <nixternal> click on advanced
[12:04] <nixternal> in the manul ip config area
[12:04] <Prak> ok
[12:04] <nixternal> need to set gateway to <IP_ADDRESS> and subnet to <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:04] <Prak> what ip address should i put in for broadcast?
[12:04] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:05] <Prak> is the netmask equivalent as the subnet?
[12:05] <nixternal> yes
[12:05] <Prak> ok
[12:05] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS> usually
[12:05] <Prak> done
[12:05] <nixternal> save it and restart it
[12:06] <Prak> still no internet
[12:06] <nixternal> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:06] <Prak> like i can't connect to a website
[12:06] <Prak> ok
[12:06] <nixternal> does it timeout or give you ms
[12:06] <Prak> timeout
[12:06] <nixternal> wtf
[12:06] <nixternal> it should be working right now
[12:06] <Prak> it's timing out right now
[12:08] <Prak> in the attached devices of the router, it says the pc is connected to the router
[12:09] <nixternal> it does?
[12:09] <Prak> yes
[12:09] <nixternal> that is odd...says it is connected...but you can't ping the rouer
[12:09] <nixternal> does it show the computers ip address in the rouer?
[12:09] <Prak> yes
[12:09] <nixternal> and you can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:10] <Prak> yes
[12:10] <Prak> i cannot ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:10] <nixternal> does the rouer have a tool that you can ping from the router to the pc?
[12:10] <Prak> not too sure
[12:11] <Prak> does yours have one?
[12:12] <Prak> doesn't look like it can
[12:12] <nixternal> mine does...but i use a cisco pix501
[12:12] <nixternal> not your doesn't...im looking at the manual for your router
[12:12] <nixternal> wow i can type tongiht
[12:13] <Prak> ok
[12:14] <corey> is it ok for my wireless interface to be detected as eth1?
[12:14] <GazzaK> erm, if I were to close the main panel, how can I recover it?
[12:14] <nixternal> yes corey
[12:14] <nixternal> mine is eth1 on mine also
[12:14] <corey> it changed from wlan0 to eth1 when i upgraded
[12:15] <nixternal> as long as it still works i guess ;)
[12:15] <corey> i just gotta remember how to get it so network-manager can access it
[12:15] <nixternal> Prak: type > route
[12:15] <nixternal> what do you get?
[12:15] <Prak> ok
[12:16] <yoss> hi there
[12:16] <Prak> a table
[12:16] <Prak> ?
[12:16] <nixternal> hehe...does it show destination ip / gateway / mask and so on?
[12:16] <Prak> yes
[12:16] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:16] <Prak> it's in the default destination
[12:16] <nixternal> ok
[12:18] <GPLGeek> So both on my ATI and Nvidia system the livecd does not go into X
[12:18] <GPLGeek> why is that the prefered way to install then since most people have ATI or Nvidia?
[12:18] <nixternal> Prak: ping <IP_ADDRESS> from your laptop
[12:18] <Prak> response time is 1ms
[12:18] <nixternal> what
[12:19] <nixternal> omg
[12:19] <nixternal> you can ping it from the laptop
[12:19] <Prak> yes
[12:19] <nixternal> wth
[12:19] <Prak> is it slow?
[12:19] <Prak> i can't tell
[12:19] <nixternal> no
[12:19] <nixternal> that is what it should be
[12:19] <nixternal> that is a good connection
[12:19] <nixternal> this is retarded...im missing something here
[12:20] <nixternal> the linux box is on the network
[12:20] <nixternal> but you can't ping the router
[12:20] <Prak> that's right
[12:20] <nixternal> from the laptop >   ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:20] <Prak> ok
[12:21] <Prak> got a response time of 1 ms
[12:21] <nixternal> ok
[12:21] <nixternal> from the linux box > ping <IP_ADDRESS> ???is that the laptop ip??? just ping the laptop from linux
[12:21] <Prak> ok
[12:22] <Prak> timed out
[12:22] <nixternal> wth
[12:22] <nixternal> so it can receive..but it can't send
[12:23] <nixternal> unplug the linux box and then from the laptop > ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:23] <Prak> laptop timed out when it tried to ping pc
[12:23] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:23] <nixternal> i thought it worked
[12:23] <nixternal> this is what i would do
[12:23] <Prak> unplug the ethernet cable from the linux box?
[12:23] <Prak> and then disable my network card on laptop?
[12:24] <nixternal> nah..i was gonna have you test the ip...but you said the laptop couldn't ping the pc
[12:24] <nixternal> ping <IP_ADDRESS> from the laptop says it timesout then correct?
[12:24] <Prak> yes
[12:25] <nixternal> i thought you got a 1ms ping from the laptop to the pc b4?
[12:25] <Prak> no
[12:25] <Prak> 1ms ping from laptop to router
[12:25] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:26] <nixternal> ok from the linux box lets try something else here
[12:26] <Prak> ok
[12:26] <nixternal> > lspci | grep Eth
[12:27] <Prak> ok
[12:27] <Prak> my ethernet card is in there
[12:27] <nixternal> it shows the Dlink card correct
[12:27] <nixternal> good
[12:27] <Prak> yes
[12:27] <nixternal> > lsmod | grep mii
[12:27] <Prak> ok
[12:27] <Prak> it says sundance
[12:28] <nixternal> perfect
[12:28] <Prak> mii 5888 l sundance
[12:28] <MetaMorfoziS> good night all [kshutdown @ 20min]
[12:28] <nixternal> nite MetaMorfoziS
[12:28] <nixternal> > sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[12:28] <Prak> nothing shows up
[12:28] <EvilIdler> Try something wild; try 'dhclient eth1'
[12:29] <nixternal> it shows up eth0 everywhere
[12:29] <Prak> command not found
[12:29] <nixternal> > dhclient eth0
[12:29] <nixternal> sudo dhclient eth0
[12:29] <Prak> command not found
[12:29] <Prak> ok
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Use tab-completion on the dhcl-command
[12:30] <EvilIdler> Try both eth0 and eth1 specifically. I've seen eth0 being skipped before :/
[12:30] <r0xz> what do those three collums meen in iftop?
[12:30] <Prak> typo on command: on dhclient eth0 and dhclient eth1, permission denied
[12:30] <r0xz> i mean, they all have a different measurement for the speef, and there's no logic i can see
[12:30] <EvilIdler> Do it with sudo
[12:30] <Prak> ok
[12:30] <nixternal> sudo dhclient eth0
[12:30] <Prak> doing it now
[12:30] <nixternal> sudo dhclient eth1
[12:31] <Prak> sudo dhclient eth0 is not responding
[12:31] <Prak> i.e. timing out
[12:31] <nixternal> what about eth1
[12:31] <Prak> no such device
[12:32] <nixternal> i figured that already...cuz we have it listed on eth0 doing ifconfig
[12:32] <nixternal> ok
[12:32] <EvilIdler> Then we know the system is really aware of the card on eth0, but the driver just isn't playing nice today
[12:32] <Prak> it never played nice
[12:33] <EvilIdler> It looked as if it was just playing hard to get, though ;)
[12:33] <nixternal> try to get it to stop from booting maybe
[12:33] <nixternal> you gotta rename the file though
[12:33] <nixternal> lets try that
[12:34] <Prak> ok
[12:34] <Prak> how?
[12:34] <Prak> i'm using live cd right now
[12:34] <Prak> should i install the os first?
[12:34] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:35] <EvilIdler> Was this a Sundance/DFE-550 card?
[12:35] <nixternal> ya..cuz in order to disable ipv6 you would have to reboot after making a change
[12:35] <Prak> yes
[12:35] <nixternal> dfe-530txs
[12:35] <EvilIdler> That's what I have on my LAN server..it's actually using the Rhine driver
[12:35] <EvilIdler> via-rhine
[12:35] <nixternal> really
[12:35] <EvilIdler> Yep
[12:35] <nixternal> odd
[12:35] <EvilIdler> VERY odd
[12:35] <nixternal> since d-link website says to use the sundance driver
[12:36] <nixternal> for hte dfe-530txs
[12:36] <EvilIdler> http://www.scyld.com/ethercard_drivers.html
[12:36] <nixternal> plus all the issues with this card, are from like 2002 and what not...and all the drivers available are for the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel
[12:37] <nixternal> hmmm....i wonder what the difference is between the TX and the TXS
[12:37] <Search4Lancer> silly question: how do I change my login/root password?
[12:38] <nixternal> sudo passwd root
[12:38] <Prak> think you go to privacy and securities in system settings
[12:38] <Search4Lancer> thanks
[12:38] <nixternal> np
[12:39] <Prak> should i install kubuntu rc on my pc anyway?
[12:39] <Prak> and then fix problem later?
[12:40] <Prak> and change the script of how my pc boots?
[12:40] <RogueJediX> Does anyone have problems with playing video files encoded with h.264 or X264?
[12:40] <EvilIdler> I played Elephants Dream just fine on Breezy
[12:41] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: What with? mplayer, xine or something else?
[12:41] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: All of the above
[12:41] <EvilIdler> MPlayer, Xine, VLC
[12:41] <corey> can someone help me, i upgraded to dapper and now network-manager wont show my wireless device
[12:42] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: Crud. I can't get those files to play for me. Everything just hangs
[12:43] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: I'm not sure what libraries I have, but I do have the w32codecs.
[12:43] <nixternal> Prak: > sudo ifconfig -a
[12:43] <Prak> ok
[12:44] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: My puter is 1.2 Ghz with 256 MB RAM and GeForce2 MX 400 card. You think it's too weak?
[12:44] <nixternal> Prak: > dmesg | grep eth0
[12:44] <Prak> ok
[12:44] <dmb062082> HEY, If I were to install kubuntu now, leaving a spare partition for a windows os to install at  a later date, will i have to re configure grub or another loader?
[12:44] <dmb062082> thanks in advance
[12:44] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: I'm not sure. The CPU is the only real limit, as there probably isn't any h.264 hardware acceleration to speak of here, either
[12:45] <Prak> what should i see
[12:45] <Prak> ?
[12:45] <nixternal> what do you see?
[12:45] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: Dang. Well, I guess I'll keep fiddling around. Thanks anyway
[12:45] <Sergi0> dmb062082: yes, windows deletes the bootloader, its not to hard to reset the grub loader. maybe there is a forum topic on this
[12:45] <Prak> eth0 timing out and no ip address
[12:46] <nixternal> ok
[12:46] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: Actually, VLC plain crashes. I'm using wxvlc as a frontend, and it's fine then
[12:46] <nixternal> Prak: > dmesg | grep eth0
[12:46] <dmb062082> So it would be easier to just install the windows os 1st, then kubuntu with grub eh?
[12:46] <Prak> ok
[12:46] <nixternal> anything you see that might be important...that sticks out as good or bad?
[12:46] <dmb062082> Ive used debian for some time, but never bothered to dual boot
[12:46] <trpr42> dmb062082: i think that is your only option if you want windows to reside somewhere on the drive.. it wants the start of the drive
[12:46] <Prak> it's trying to connect to an ipv6 router instead of ipv4 router?
[12:47] <Prak> could that be a clue?
[12:47] <dmb062082> alrighty thanks
[12:47] <Sergi0> dmb062082: that would be the easy way, but works perfect yes
[12:47] <nixternal> mine says that too...but with that card, it has been an issue in the past
[12:47] <nixternal> Prak: > sudo modprobe via-rhine
[12:47] <Prak> ok
[12:47] <nixternal> try that...see if the via-rhine driver will work..cuz it should be on the system already
[12:47] <Prak> and then (i don't see anything)
[12:47] <Prak> ?
[12:48] <nixternal> ok
[12:48] <nixternal> good
[12:48] <nixternal> Prak: > lspci
[12:48] <nixternal> see what it says now
[12:48] <nixternal> gah
[12:48] <EvilIdler> Prak: No response is a good sign :)
[12:48] <nixternal> dmesg | grep eth0
[12:48] <nixternal> ya..that means the driver loaded
[12:49] <Prak> should i be seeing a via-rhine?
[12:49] <nixternal> i would think so
[12:49] <nixternal> i just brain farted
[12:49] <Prak> i don't see it after typing lspci
[12:49] <nixternal> lspci says that same thing right?
[12:49] <Prak> yes
[12:49] <nixternal> lsmod | grep mii
[12:50] <Prak> it says via_rhine, sundance drivers loaded
[12:50] <nixternal> k
[12:50] <nixternal> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[12:50] <Prak> ok
[12:51] <Prak> no response
[12:51] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:51] <nixternal> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:51] <Prak> timeout
[12:51] <nixternal> argh
[12:52] <nixternal> ping localhost
[12:52] <Prak> it can ping itself
[12:52] <EvilIdler> Try removing both drivers, perhaps?
[12:52] <nixternal> ok
[12:52] <Prak> ok
[12:52] <Prak> how?
[12:53] <EvilIdler> sudo rmmod via-rhine sundance
[12:54] <Prak> and then
[12:54] <Prak> ?
[12:54] <EvilIdler> Then 'sudo modprobe via-rhine', try restarting network, removing it if it fails and trying sundance
[12:54] <nixternal> ok..im back
[12:54] <nixternal> had to goto potty ;D
[12:55] <EvilIdler> I'm out of useless ideas, anyway :P
[12:55] <nixternal> me too
[12:55] <EvilIdler> Strange if both those drivers loaded without complaint, though
[12:55] <nixternal> once you do the rmmod prak...then do the > sudo modprobe via-rhine
[12:55] <nixternal> then
[12:55] <stevekl> Gosh dernit
[12:55] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:56] <stevekl> I come home from the resturaunt and my monitor (CRT) was still on the whole time
[12:56] <stevekl> Is setting a screen saver in kcontrol not enough?
[12:56] <nixternal> hehe...the cat was using the pc while  you were out
[12:56] <EvilIdler> stevekl: Optical mouse on an uneven surface can stop it
[12:56] <EvilIdler> Carpet bad :)
[12:56] <Prak> have to reboot pc
[12:57] <Prak> cd froze on me
[12:57] <nixternal> great
[12:57] <nixternal> another driver to try if via-rhine doesn't work is > sudo modprobe rt18139
[12:57] <nixternal> that bad boy works with everything
[12:57] <EvilIdler> The Mr. Muscle of network drivers
[12:58] <Prak> ok
[12:58] <stevekl> EvilIdler: oh
[12:58] <stevekl> dern.
[12:58] <EvilIdler> stevekl: I notice the mouse dancing across the screen if I leave it on the carpet
[12:58] <stevekl> If KDE were not running (say I didn't have X running) wouldn't linux automaticaly turn the display off?
[12:58] <EvilIdler> stevekl: Laidback computer setup involving a couch ;)
[12:59] <stevekl> My desk is pressboard door (you heard me)
[12:59] <stevekl> it's pretty even
[12:59] <EvilIdler> Yes, the console mode is pretty good at switching off every half hour
[01:00] <EvilIdler> Same here. I don't trust software.
[01:00] <nixternal> lol... me either
[01:00] <EvilIdler> My finger, on the other hand..
[01:00] <nixternal> plus screensaver timers and power timers = cpu usage ;)
[01:00] <nixternal> i need all the cpu i can get
[01:01] <nixternal> i need all the monitor i can get too
[01:01] <stevekl> Yeah I set my screen saver to 1 minute and it's definently not triggering
[01:01] <stevekl> i'm sure my mouse isn't moving
[01:01] <EvilIdler> I just know my monitors waste a lot of electricity, so it's a bit cheaper to definitely switch them off
[01:01] <stevekl> hmmmmmmmm
[01:01] <nixternal> i gave my nice 19" wide screen to my mom and took her old 15" viewsonic to fix...it works great..but i hate 1024x768...that is so 1998
[01:02] <nixternal> i haven't even tried a screen saver
[01:02] <EvilIdler> I play shooters in 1024x768, but my desktop is 1600x1200
[01:02] <nixternal> thats why on release night i am going to remove windows from my main system and load of the kubuntu...removing winblows for good
[01:02] <EvilIdler> Mmm
[01:03] <Prak> rt18139 not found
[01:03] <EvilIdler> I'm not sure what to call my main system. I have three computers sharing all sorts of resources.
[01:03] <nahoj> r det bara mitt swaputrymme som alrig anvnds?
[01:03] <nahoj> aldrig***
[01:03] <nixternal> sure
[01:03] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Nah, it's normal if you're not playing 3D games
[01:03] <stevekl> I'm just getting really tired of ubuntu I think
[01:04] <nixternal> EvilIdler: did i miss something there?
[01:04] <stevekl> I mean things like this should already just work out of the box, you know?
[01:04] <EvilIdler> nixternal: Yeah, my leet linguistic skills :P
[01:04] <nixternal> you are right stevekl
[01:04] <nixternal> ahhh cuz i can't even read english half the time
[01:04] <nixternal> ;D
[01:05] <nahoj> EvilIdler, ok, btw, sorry about the swedish.. I thought I was in #ubuntu-se....
[01:05] <nixternal> lol
[01:05] <EvilIdler> nixternal: English is no problem - I've done the equivalent of dist-upgrading my native language :P
[01:05] <stevekl> I wish I could try out OSX
[01:05] <nixternal> i have lived my whole life in the US...i still don't understand the language ;)
[01:05] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Someone is bound to understand you somewhere most of the time ;)
[01:05] <stevekl> Don't have the hardware neccessary
[01:06] <Prak> should i install the os anyway and then figure the network stuff out?
[01:06] <nixternal> i did better in spanish in high school then i did in english
[01:06] <stevekl> nixternal: Huh sorry I couldn't make that out
[01:06] <nahoj> EvilIdler, I guess u are Swedish?
[01:06] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Nope.
[01:06] <EvilIdler> I play one on IRC sometimes, though.
[01:06] <nixternal> i am swedish..to an extent...but i never learned the language
[01:06] <nixternal> hahahah EvilIdler
[01:06] <nahoj> EvilIdler, so howcome u know swe?
[01:06] <EvilIdler> I can fool them, because they're speaking SMS themselves :P
[01:06] <nixternal> i live close to the largest swedish community inthe united states too
[01:07] <EvilIdler> nahoj: I live real close by ;)
[01:07] <nahoj> norway? =p
[01:07] <EvilIdler> Yup
[01:07] <nahoj> thought so
[01:07] <nixternal> lol
[01:07] <nixternal> right up the street ;D
[01:07] <EvilIdler> Swedish and Danish is no problem
[01:08] <Prak> i take that as an yes
[01:08] <nixternal> Prak: try installing it...you might get lucky and it works from install...if not we can still work on it
[01:08] <EvilIdler> We've got an unusual number of Swedish people working here, too
[01:08] <Prak> ok
[01:08] <nixternal> lol Prak...im rolling a cigar
[01:08] <nahoj> i once convinced a whole pack of men from norway i was too... talked too them for about half an hour before i dropped the truth...
[01:08] <EvilIdler> I grew up with Swedish TV, more or less :P
[01:09] <nahoj> oslo?
[01:09] <EvilIdler> I was chatting with three Irishmen, a Canadian and a Swede once, and the Swede forgot to switch to English. Took me five minutes before I realised why the others didn't understand anything :P
[01:09] <EvilIdler> Yep
[01:09] <EvilIdler> A view of the fjord, from my cave on the mountain :)
[01:10] <nahoj> EvilIdler, u also have polarbears walking the streets?
[01:10] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Of course! It's 30 below here all year.
[01:11] <nahoj> ahh... the same as sweden...
[01:11] <EvilIdler> Well, not really. I'm sweating like a very sweaty hog.
[01:11] <nahoj> it's funny what other countries sometimes seem to belive...
[01:12] <EvilIdler> Hehe. Californianianians crossing the border to Canada look like they're about to climb Mount Everest :P
[01:12] <nahoj> hehe...
[01:12] <Prak> brb, going for a snack while it's installing
[01:13] <EvilIdler> I think the one bug stopping me from upgrading to Dapper has been found - something in udev, most likely
[01:13] <EvilIdler> I'll wait till Wednesday, though.
[01:14] <EvilIdler> Still some really similar bugs open
[01:15] <nahoj> i think i found a bug yesterday... when installing on two different computers, only one of them had swedish in the menues an so on....
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Yeah, some German people had the same problem
[01:15] <nahoj> so it's a known bug then?
[01:15] <EvilIdler> It's known that there are several problems with translations in KDE
[01:15] <nahoj> i don't have to try to reproduce it?
[01:16] <EvilIdler> You could try having a look at the bug database and see if they've got one specifically for Swedish
[01:16] <Sergi0> i had the same isue with language
[01:16] <EvilIdler> I found some translations missing that really shouldn't be
[01:17] <EvilIdler> Some programs haven't changed at all since last Breezy
[01:17] <nahoj> is dapper truly ready?
[01:17] <EvilIdler> 3.5.2 for Breezy is not far back in time, so Dapper shouldn't suddenly drop ten translations
[01:17] <EvilIdler> If they fix the open major bugs it will be :)
[01:18] <EvilIdler> Only two or three criticals from what I can see
[01:19] <EvilIdler> Two criticals (unconfirmed/need info) and a few major ones: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> The lastest version of fglrx fixes quite a major bug for me (and they are considering including it)
[01:20] <EvilIdler> I'd say that's important enough that they should
[01:22] <EvilIdler> Ouch, a confirmed memory leak in update manager
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> (well the bug involves never being able to shutdown cleanly)
[01:23] <EvilIdler> I had a bug with never being able to log in cleanly on an earlier Ubuntu release. That was pretty major :/
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> I hate having to download open office all the time when I never use it (but its a dep of kubuntu desktop)
[01:25] <EvilIdler> Remove kubuntu-desktop, then
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> But then if packages are added to it then I won't get them (which I may want / need)
[01:26] <EvilIdler> Make a wish that they consider it optional, then
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> It just a big file thats all and seems to be getting changed daily
[01:26] <EvilIdler> Wish being the lowest rated bug report ;)
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> They won't do it
[01:27] <EvilIdler> Yeah, it's about time to make it a little modular
[01:27] <EvilIdler> A package for each of the programs, libraries and locale data
[01:27] <jii> something broken in dappers mount command? i am trying to mount smbfs and dmesg gives error: smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported
[01:27] <jii> whereis smbmoutn
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> I still don't know why the firefox-locales are a dep of the kdelanguage-uk thing
[01:28] <EvilIdler> I'm mounting fine on a server with Dapper
[01:28] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: OK, that's a bit odd
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb to be exact (I don't have the repo version of firefox installed)
[01:29] <jii> maybe i am missing smbfs package
[01:29] <jii> thats it
[01:29] <EvilIdler> There are also a few language-related packages that contain only directories. Not sure why.
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> jii: If you are doing unix to unix shfs is very good
[01:29] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: OO.o and e-c are the two sets of packages that /will/ continue to change, because they're mandated by the sabdfl
[01:30] <crimsun> and what the boss wants, the boss gets.
[01:30] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Yeah, perhaps it's best to uninstall until release-day.
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> what is the sabdfl
[01:30] <EvilIdler> I'm glad I haven't got metered net :)
[01:31] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: the guy who founded Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth.
[01:31] <EvilIdler> BDFL=benevolent dictator for life
[01:31] <imbrandon> sabdfl == mark shuttleworth
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> what's the sa stand for ?
[01:31] <EvilIdler> Somewhat arrogant?
[01:31] <EvilIdler> Super admin?
[01:32] <NthDegree> super user = root
[01:32] <imbrandon> NthDegree, and where did that come from ?
[01:32] <NthDegree> sa = stupidly arrogant :p
[01:32] <RadiantFire> ?
[01:32] <RadiantFire> thats mean
[01:32] <EvilIdler> Self-appointed, it is
[01:33] <NthDegree> my ever symlinked head :p
[01:33] <EvilIdler> Self-appointed benevolent dictator for life
[01:33] <RadiantFire> fun times
[01:33] <imbrandon> NthDegree, and i wouldent think the guy that started Ubuntu stupidly anthything ;)
[01:33] <NthDegree> i know that, it's called a bad joke
[01:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:33] <RadiantFire> fun times
[01:33] <imbrandon> brb dinner time ;)
[01:33] <EvilIdler> I've had some of my best moments in UI design when thinking stupid
[01:33] <_james> i just did the dapper upgrade... and now a lot of things are not working, the most important of which is sound
[01:33] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[01:34] <RadiantFire> UI design is for losers
[01:34] <RadiantFire> real people just stick buttons randomly in places
[01:34] <EvilIdler> Yeah, UI design would lead to things like desktop environments and graphical interfaces.
[01:34] <RadiantFire> :-)
[01:34] <crimsun> _james: see the topic of #ubuntu-sound-help, and tell me thurl
[01:34] <crimsun> the url, rather
[01:34] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, sounds like your one of the MS IE7 teams influences ;) j/k
[01:35] <Prak> nixternal: which drivers have we tried?
[01:35] <RadiantFire> lol
[01:35] <EvilIdler> Prak: Which ones haven't you tried?
[01:35] <_james> crimsun: what did u just tell me to do?
[01:35] <RadiantFire> wouldn't that be the new office, where the toolbars will randomly rearrange themselves for no good reason?
[01:35] <crimsun> _james: join #ubuntu-sound-help, read the topic, follow the directions, and tell me the url
[01:35] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: They already do in Visual Studio :/
[01:35] <RadiantFire> ew?
[01:36] <imbrandon> lol no idea , the new office
[01:36] <RadiantFire> actually, I'm kind of curious to see IE7 beta
[01:36] <RadiantFire> but I have no desire to boot into windows to test it
[01:36] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: That's a bug of sorts here, though. WinXP is dying on that box :P
[01:36] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, it SUCKS, honestly
[01:36] <_james> crimsun: ok, i am in there, but  there is noone  there
[01:36] <RadiantFire> imbrandon: any redeaming qualities whatsoever?
[01:36] <crimsun> _james: read the topic
[01:36] <RadiantFire> i'm sure it must have something worthwhile
[01:37] <EvilIdler> IE7 is probably like someone miming a description of a real browser :/
[01:37] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, i dont have that much against IE , honestly, not trying to troll but IE 7 sucks BAD , but lets take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:37] <NthDegree> bug #1
[01:37] <_james> crimsun: i know i am slow, but what topic?
[01:38] <NthDegree> :p
[01:38] <EvilIdler> Anyone know what packages I need to actually compile KDE themes that aren't packaged?
[01:38] <NthDegree> EvilIdler won't apt-get help you there
[01:39] <crimsun> _james: ``lspci -v && lsmod && cat /proc/asound/cards && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer''
[01:39] <NthDegree> there must be a few sources in universe and then the dependencies d/l with them
[01:39] <crimsun> _james: paste the output onto pastebin, not in here
[01:39] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: I don't know what dev-packages contain some headers they need to be compiled :/
[01:39] <_james> crimsun: is  that something i need to enter in the command line?
[01:39] <crimsun> _james: yes
[01:40] <NthDegree> EvilIdler source packages wont those get the dependencies you need
[01:40] <_james> crimsun: should i paste it ALL in the pastebin? it is quite lengthy
[01:40] <NthDegree> _james tis what pastebin is for :)
[01:40] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: They're not source packages. They're tarballs from KDE Look.
[01:41] <NthDegree> oh lol
[01:41] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: No debianised dependency files at all.
[01:41] <EvilIdler> They all ask for kdecoration.h
[01:41] <EvilIdler> (And related files)
[01:41] <NthDegree> ah
[01:41] <EvilIdler> I was pretty sure installing kdevelop3 already gave me the whole #!, but no such luck
[01:42] <NthDegree> EvilIdler the best way is to compile KDE from source I think
[01:42] <EvilIdler> I'm not doing that to try two themes ;)
[01:42] <EvilIdler> None of the themes I've downloaded so far has a bloody readme file, either :/
[01:42] <_james> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/743837
[01:43] <EvilIdler> There's a configure script, which passes its tests, then a makefile that asks for things the configure scripts conveniently ignored
[01:44] <NthDegree> lol
[01:44] <NthDegree> i get that a lot
[01:44] <crimsun> _james: amixer set 'Headphone Jack Sense' off
[01:44] <NthDegree> isn't that known as dependency hell :)
[01:44] <EvilIdler> Nah, dependency hell is when two packages rely on eachother
[01:44] <EvilIdler> One can't be installed without the other being present, of course :)
[01:45] <_james> crimsun: what do i do about that?
[01:45] <crimsun> _james: I just gave you a command to paste into your Konsole
[01:45] <EvilIdler> This is just shoddy documentation
[01:45] <NthDegree> i'll be getting a lot of dependency hell when i'm setting up my 3rd OS
[01:45] <_james> crimsun: sorry, i see that now
[01:45] <NthDegree> i want an OS to be used to virtualise winblows
[01:46] <NthDegree> since it can't be trusted i need a good jail
[01:46] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: For extra levels of fun, run Windows in VMware, then coLinux in that. Try Win4Lin inside that to run another Windows :)
[01:46] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: And play DOSbox there.
[01:46] <NthDegree> lmfao
[01:46] <NthDegree> i only have 1GB ram
[01:46] <EvilIdler> I'm going to have to try that someday.
[01:47] <_james> crimsun: still no sound
[01:47] <NthDegree> EvilIdler:  I did windows with smoothwall in VMWare and linux networked to it :)
[01:47] <crimsun> _james: yeah, 'PCM' is muted and set to 0 level.
[01:48] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: That's a start :)
[01:48] <_james> crimsun: and how do i change that? lol
[01:48] <crimsun> _james: use the volume control in your tray or whatever
[01:48] <NthDegree> still VMWare sucks ass for keeping linux stable, hence why i'll be using a dedicated distro for jailing the windows
[01:49] <_james> crimsun: i have the volume in the tray all the up
[01:49] <crimsun> _james: for 'PCM'?
[01:49] <crimsun> _james: did you unmute it?
[01:50] <_james> crim, sorry, what is PCM? and i have nothing muted as far as i know
[01:50] <crimsun> sigh
[01:50] <_james> crimsun: see above
[01:50] <crimsun> amixer set 'PCM' on && amixer set 'PCM' 80%
[01:50] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: I've found Win4Lin great for jailing a development environment.
[01:51] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: When Windows crashed (it only supported 98 when I tried it), it started right back up in four seconds
[01:51] <NthDegree> EvilIdler:  Is that what you install in linux to virtualise windows?
[01:51] <_james> crimsun: that worked, but i still have no idea what PCM is lol
[01:51] <NthDegree> EvilIdler: is it free? :|
[01:51] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Yeah, it makes Windows a program running under Linux. Not quite the extreme method VMware uses, but not quite like Wine either.
[01:52] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Free trials only, but a relatively cheap license
[01:52] <NthDegree> doh lol
[01:52] <EvilIdler> You could try to re-download trials :P
[01:53] <NthDegree> PIRACY is NOT a crime, please accept it :P
[01:53] <_james> ok i finally see PCM
[01:53] <_james> geesh
[01:53] <EvilIdler> A virtual Windows installation would remain fairly stable, since you're just installing the tools you need. Take a snapshot of the image for backup.
[01:53] <crazy_penguin> night all. sleep well! :)
[01:54] <EvilIdler> I've got to try the latest VMware and W4L demos again and see how fast they are.
[01:54] <EvilIdler> W4L ran like native apps and VMware like melting wax last time I tried them
[01:54] <synergy> ok
[01:54] <NthDegree> VMWare is rubbish
[01:55] <synergy> i just installed
[01:55] <synergy> is there anything i need to upgrade
[01:55] <NthDegree> it's free of charge right now but cr@p
[01:55] <EvilIdler> A P90 with 32 megs of memory ran W95 in Win4Lin just fine :=)
[01:55] <synergy> using 5.10
[01:55] <EvilIdler> Very minimal X setup, of course.
[01:56] <NthDegree> lol
[01:56] <EvilIdler> synergy: Run Adept from the System menu, get updates, do a full upgrade
[01:56] <NthDegree> well i will be using a minimal OS for the jail
[01:57] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Win4Lin is based on a SCO product called Merge. Only good software they've produced, too ;)
[01:57] <synergy> evildler system update wizard?
[01:57] <EvilIdler> Hmm..Linux with UsermodeLinux running a VMware session of XP running coLinux with W4L?
[01:57] <NthDegree> EvilIdler: is there any free virtualisation software that can do windows
[01:57] <EvilIdler> synergy: Yeah, I guess thart works, too
[01:58] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Err..I think Bochs could do Win 3.11 :P
[01:58] <synergy> kk
[01:58] <synergy> hope this thing works
[01:58] <synergy> lol
[01:58] <EvilIdler> Actually, someone managed to get Win 98 running in a later version
[01:59] <NthDegree> http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ EvilIdler have a read (works with NT/2000/XP)
[01:59] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Yeah, I expected as much
[01:59] <imbrandon> qemu will run nt/2k/xp also , and vmware
[01:59] <NthDegree> qemu?
[02:00] <EvilIdler> That's the holy trinity of virtualisation, yes
[02:00] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, i run 2 instances of windows at native speeds under linux in vmware ;)
[02:00] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Neat. What CPU?
[02:00] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, actualy Xen is the holy trenity
[02:01] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, on that particular box celeron 1.2 ghz
[02:01] <NthDegree> Xen is awful
[02:01] <imbrandon> Xen is a god, as long as you have the hardware support ;)
[02:01] <EvilIdler> OK, so we have Xen in-kernel virtualisation, qemu/bochs/VMware in the middle, and Win4Lin/Wine
[02:01] <EvilIdler> Like 256 processors to offload it to?
[02:02] <NthDegree> Xen is evil wouldn't work with SuSE
[02:02] <imbrandon> heh or a macbook pro core duo ;)
[02:02] <EvilIdler> Hehe
[02:02] <EvilIdler> Should try VMware on this P4, then.
[02:02] <imbrandon> NthDegree, xen's kernel wouldent work with suse ?
[02:03] <trinni> hallo everyone
[02:03] <imbrandon> hello
[02:03] <trinni> have probs while installing dapper i386. installation is stall at "preparing amarok" since minutes. anyone can help? i am a first-timer
[02:03] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, win4lin, wine, crossover, cedega, winex ;)
[02:04] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Well, the last 4 are quadruplets ;)
[02:04] <imbrandon> trinni, how long ?
[02:04] <trinni> imbrandon: oh bout 10 mins now
[02:04] <Prak> is nixternal here?
[02:04] <trinni> it stands still at 30% - hdd-led is on
[02:04] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, actualy not they all use same codebase but are diffrent forks, they just contrib to each other once in a while
[02:04] <trinni> but cant hear hdd--only my cpucooler...
[02:05] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Close enough relatives, at least
[02:05] <EvilIdler> Oh, and there's PEAR, too
[02:05] <imbrandon> trinni, give it a little longer, if still nothing restart the install
[02:06] <trinni> imbrandon: how long would you wait approx- 30 mins?
[02:06] <EvilIdler> Waiting for the x86 version of that to show up :)
[02:06] <NthDegree> i want a virtualiser because i don't trust windows
[02:06] <imbrandon> yea pearpc ( powerpc g3/g4/and soon g5 )
[02:06] <EvilIdler> I have a virtualiser in an external box..
[02:06] <EvilIdler> Some may refer to it as 'another PC'
[02:06] <imbrandon> NthDegree, just use qemu you will find the most support for it or vmware
[02:07] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, x86 pearpc ? pearpc is to emulate ppc not x86 , thats what it was designed for
[02:08] <Prak> what kind of drivers for d-link dfe-530txs ethernet card are out there?
[02:08] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Well, I mean something along those lines meant to emulate the x86 macs specifically. Apple keep doing things to avoid use of their OS on non-Apple hardware ;)
[02:08] <imbrandon> Prak, google ?
[02:08] <NthDegree> imbrandon:  i'm a AMD64 user will that affect things
[02:08] <omega> Does anyone know which package contains the Luxi font?
[02:09] <imbrandon> NthDegree, then definately qemu / vmware , in that order
[02:09] <Prak> other than sundance and via-rhine?
[02:09] <imbrandon> omega .......
[02:09] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ sudo apt-cache search luxi
[02:09] <imbrandon> xfonts-scalable - scalable fonts for X
[02:09] <imbrandon> t1-xfree86-nonfree - non-free Postscript Type 1 fonts from XFree86
[02:09] <imbrandon> ttf-xfree86-nonfree - non-free TrueType fonts from XFree86
[02:10] <EvilIdler> Time to watch the Latest Doctor Who before I collapse into bed again.
[02:10] <EvilIdler> G'night
[02:10] <imbrandon> Prak, those are probbly the only two foss ones , what do you mean? why not use one of those ?
[02:11] <imbrandon> gnight EvilIdlerZZZ
[02:11] <omega> imbrandon: Did you have to enter your password before doing that?
[02:11] <Prak> i can't get my internet working
[02:11] <imbrandon> omega, yes
[02:11] <omega> Don't you find that annoying?
[02:12] <imbrandon> i take annoying over security ( sudo runs commands over root ) but you can change that behaveure with visudo
[02:12] <omega> visudo hmm
[02:12] <imbrandon> man visudo
[02:13] <omega> I am reading that now.
[02:14] <imbrandon> i wouldent reoment turning off the pasword check for sudo though, it makes your box very vunerable to attack
[02:14] <omega> I know. But my box isn't connected to the internet.
[02:15] <imbrandon> ?
[02:15] <nixternal`food> Prak: you got everything installed?
[02:15] <Prak> yes
[02:15] <omega> Is there any way besides running as root to get around constantly having to enter my password if I want to run adept?
[02:15] <nixternal> stock install?? did you mess with the network at all?
[02:15] <imbrandon> omega, no and thats NOT a good idea
[02:16] <imbrandon> ( running as root )
[02:16] <Prak> haven't messed with the network yet
[02:16] <nixternal> ok
[02:16] <imbrandon> ubuntu is not designed to be used as root
[02:16] <nixternal> here is what i want to try first
[02:16] <Prak> reconfigured the network ip stuff manually
[02:17] <omega> But I install loads of software all the time.
[02:18] <nixternal> Prak: >  sudo mv /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko /lib/modules$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:19] <nixternal> there is a space in between the ipv6.ko and the /lib/modoules...
[02:19] <NthDegree> omega there is
[02:19] <NthDegree> you can check the box "keep password"
[02:20] <omega> Where can I do that?
[02:20] <NthDegree> when you run adept
[02:20] <omega> I can't.
[02:20] <NthDegree> you may have to change some settings but it can be done
[02:20] <Prak> and then?
[02:20] <omega> What should I search for if I want to learn how to do that?
[02:20] <nixternal> Prak: >   sudo depmod -a
[02:21] <imbrandon> omega, adept
[02:21] <nixternal> Prak: >  reboot
[02:21] <NthDegree> omega i have no clue but you need to change some settings to have the root password cached
[02:21] <Prak> reboot the os?
[02:21] <nixternal> yes
[02:21] <Prak> ok
[02:22] <nixternal> that is going to disable ipv6 from starting up and sending a message to the router
[02:22] <omega> And you wouldn't happen to know where you read that, by any chance? It would be most helpful if you would. Because I have no idea what to keywords to use.
[02:22] <imbrandon> nixternal, you had a typo in that line, hopefully he dident paste it
[02:22] <nixternal> that message it sends to the router, maybe causing the route to deny it access since the router doesn't understand ipv6 and in turns drops icmp
[02:22] <nixternal> what
[02:22] <nixternal> i did?
[02:22] <NthDegree> omega, i didn't read it - some distros by default have a checkbox for keep password
[02:22] <omega> Oh.
[02:22] <omega> Hm, maybe I should just ask in #kde
[02:22] <NthDegree> you need to enable that option in the config files
[02:23] <imbrandon> nixternal, /lib/modules$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak  <<<< modules$(uname -r)
[02:23] <nixternal> ahhhh
[02:23] <NthDegree> yes omega a good idea
[02:23] <nixternal> shiate
[02:23] <imbrandon> not /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:23] <nixternal> well..it would have erroed out wouldn't?
[02:23] <nixternal> this keyboard sux
[02:23] <imbrandon> dunnoo might have just created the dir ;)
[02:23] <nixternal> lol
[02:23] <nixternal> no...cuz it was a standard mv
[02:24] <nixternal> you need to pass an option for it to create a dir
[02:24] <nixternal> mv -R i believe
[02:24] <nixternal> recursive style
[02:24] <nixternal> who knows anymore
[02:24] <imbrandon> heh i would make sure he runs the command correct then, he might not have run it if he dident get an error
[02:24] <imbrandon> brb
[02:24] <nixternal> that would have errored out
[02:24] <nixternal> i just did it
[02:25] <nixternal> mv: cannot move `/lib/modules/2.6.16-ck10/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko' to `/lib/modules2.6.16-ck10/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak': No such file or directory
[02:25] <nixternal> Prak: you didn't get an error when you did that correct?
[02:27] <nixternal> oooh..got a 2.6.16.-ck11 patch already
[02:27] <Prak> i got an error message
[02:27] <Prak> like what you said
[02:27] <nixternal> arg
[02:27] <nixternal> gotta do it over then
[02:28] <nixternal> sudo mv /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:28] <nixternal> i think it is right now
[02:28] <nixternal> do it that way prak...if it works it won't give you an error..it will just come back to prompt
[02:29] <Prak> error message: mv: cannot stat '/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko': No such file or directory
[02:29] <imbrandon> Prak, at a prompt type "uname -r"
[02:29] <Dasnipa`> bicardi and cola... it gets the job don
[02:30] <Dasnipa`> e
[02:30] <Prak> ok
[02:30] <Prak> i saw 2.6.15-23-386
[02:30] <nixternal> cd /lib/modules
[02:30] <nixternal> not cd
[02:30] <nixternal> ls /lib/modules
[02:30] <Prak> ok
[02:30] <nixternal> see if 2.6.16-23-386 is in there
[02:30] <Prak> it is in blue
[02:30] <nixternal> ok
[02:30] <nixternal> cd into it
[02:31] <imbrandon> nixternal, his bash dident convert $(uname -r) to that, look at the error
[02:31] <nixternal> then > cd /kernel/net/ipv6
[02:31] <nixternal> oh..i didn't see the error
[02:31] <Prak> ok
[02:31] <Prak> then?
[02:31] <nixternal> sudo mv ipv6.ko ipv6.ko.bak
[02:32] <nixternal> did that work?
[02:32] <Prak> mv: cannot stat 'ipv6.ko': No such file or directory
[02:32] <nixternal> wth
[02:32] <imbrandon> ls -la
[02:32] <nixternal> ls
[02:32] <nixternal> -la
[02:32] <nixternal> ya
[02:32] <nixternal> lol
[02:32] <nixternal> its gotta be there
[02:33] <Prak> 2.6.15-23-386 is in there
[02:33] <nixternal> huh
[02:33] <imbrandon> do "sudo updatedb && sudo locate ipv6.ko" without quotes
[02:33] <nixternal> cd /lib/modules/2.6.16-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6
[02:33] <nixternal> that is where you should be
[02:34] <Prak> no such directory
[02:34] <imbrandon> Prak, do "sudo updatedb && sudo locate ipv6.ko" without quotes
[02:34] <imbrandon> brb
[02:35] <nixternal> w/o the quotes
[02:35] <nixternal> not the 2nd time ;D
[02:35] <nixternal> just in case he didn't see it the first time
[02:36] <imbrandon> *looks* its there both times ;)
[02:36] <imbrandon> anyhow brb ;)
[02:36] <nixternal> gahahah
[02:36] <nixternal> i didn't look at the end
[02:36] <nixternal> LOL
[02:36] <nixternal> <-- e.tard
[02:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:36] <Prak> can't find the directory
[02:36] <nixternal> locate ipv6.ko
[02:36] <nixternal> doesn't find it at all?
[02:36] <nixternal> hrmmm
[02:37] <Prak> it's in /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko
[02:37] <nixternal> ya
[02:37] <nixternal> lol
[02:37] <nixternal> where was i saying?
[02:37] <nixternal> omg...ya
[02:37] <nixternal> duh...i have 2.6.16...im sorry
[02:37] <nixternal> i was givin' my directory
[02:37] <nixternal> lol
[02:38] <nixternal> ok
[02:38] <nixternal> lets try this
[02:38] <nixternal> Prak: > sudo mv /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:39] <Prak> done
[02:39] <Prak> restart?
[02:39] <nixternal> not yet
[02:39] <nixternal> do this
[02:39] <nixternal> > sudo depmod -a
[02:40] <nixternal> once that finishes...then reboot
[02:40] <Prak> ok
[02:40] <nixternal> no errors correct?
[02:40] <Prak> no errors
[02:40] <nixternal> good deal
[02:40] <Search4Lancer> I still can't get transparency to work.... is there some magical package I need to have?
[02:40] <nixternal> boogity boogity boogity
[02:40] <imbrandon> nixternal, you know next kernel update that will get replaced, he should realy be editing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ;)
[02:40] <nixternal> true
[02:40] <nixternal> damnit...i forget about blacklist
[02:40] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:41] <nixternal> i do...i have used it like once
[02:41] <nixternal> we can work on that after we get the net fixed
[02:41] <imbrandon> i have never used it , just know thats the way to do it so kernel updates dont break you
[02:42] <nixternal> ya...i should know better...but obviously i don't...thanks for that though..because that is the way i will start doing it from now on
[02:42] <nixternal> with blacklist...you just put in ipv6.ko or ipv6...or the entire directory location?
[02:42] <nixternal> i think you just put in ipv6
[02:43] <imbrandon> i think ipv6 but it has directions at the top of the file and examples
[02:43] <Prak> what's next?
[02:43] <nixternal> did you reboot?
[02:43] <Prak> yes
[02:43] <Prak> finished rebooting
[02:44] <nixternal> you set up network static?
[02:44] <Prak> yes
[02:44] <nixternal> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:44] <nixternal> see if you can hit the router
[02:44] <Prak> timeout
[02:45] <nixternal> ifconfig
[02:45] <nixternal> see what that says
[02:45] <NthDegree> Prak:  ping www.google.com
[02:45] <nrdb> I am looking for a way to delete all files older than a month or so from a directory, what command would do that the easiest?
[02:45] <imbrandon> Search4Lancer, transparency on what ?
[02:45] <Prak> cant reach it
[02:46] <nixternal> what did ifconfig say?
[02:46] <nixternal> does it show eth0
[02:46] <imbrandon> nrdb, rm ( with regular expressions )
[02:46] <Prak> there's an address associated with eth0
[02:46] <imbrandon> Prak, and a gw ?
[02:46] <Search4Lancer> imbrandon - windows, what else?
[02:46] <nixternal> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[02:47] <nixternal> do you see that at all?
[02:48] <Prak> don't see a gw
[02:48] <Prak> yes
[02:48] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:48] <Prak> i see the broadcast part
[02:48] <nixternal> you don't see a gw?
[02:48] <nixternal> you see UP
[02:48] <Prak> don't see gw
[02:48] <nrdb> imbrandon: I don't see any options to applicable in rm.
[02:48] <nixternal> goto the network settings and set it to do DHCP
[02:49] <imbrandon> nrdb, with regular expressions
[02:49] <imbrandon> Search4Lancer, http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/01/making-your-kde-look-nicer.html
[02:50] <imbrandon> and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75527
[02:51] <corey> i cant figure out what im doing wrong, i upgraded to dapper and now network manager doesnt list my wifi card, its listed in iwconfig but not in networkmanager..anyone?
[02:51] <Prak> set it to dhcp
[02:52] <Prak> can't reach router either
[02:52] <imbrandon> corey, maybe remove the card and try to reinstall it
[02:52] <corey> its integrated
[02:52] <imbrandon> no remove the drivers
[02:52] <corey> oh
[02:52] <corey> its installed properly
[02:52] <corey> im just missing a step i think
[02:52] <imbrandon> ok follow the steps again then ;)
[02:52] <imbrandon> !wifi
[02:52] <ubotu> from memory, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[02:52] <corey> ;/
[02:53] <corey> cause its recognzed in iwconfig
[02:53] <nixternal> Prak: sudo rmmod sundance
[02:53] <Prak> ok
[02:53] <Prak> and then
[02:53] <Prak> ?
[02:53] <nixternal> ok
[02:53] <nixternal> did that work w/o error?
[02:54] <Prak> no error
[02:54] <nixternal> good
[02:54] <nixternal> > sudo modprobe rt18139
[02:55] <Prak> module rt18139 not found
[02:55] <Prak> error
[02:55] <nixternal> argh
[02:55] <nixternal> ok
[02:55] <nixternal> > sudo modprobe via-rhine
[02:55] <Prak> and then?
[02:56] <nixternal> > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:56] <Prak> error messages are all over the place
[02:57] <nixternal> ok
[02:57] <nixternal> > sudo rmmod via-rhine
[02:57] <Prak> ok
[02:57] <nixternal> > sudo modprobe sundance
[02:58] <Prak> ok
[02:58] <nixternal> > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:58] <macd> are wepkeys in /etc/networking/interfaces hex or ascii, I just remember readong something about that
[02:58] <nixternal> hex unless you specify s:
[02:58] <macd> excellent
[02:58] <macd> y
[02:58] <macd> ty*
[02:58] <nixternal> np
[02:59] <macd> Im going to play with the le atheros again today, see if I cant make it stay connected for longer than 30seconds at a time
[02:59] <nixternal> my atheros never dc's at all
[02:59] <imbrandon> heh
[02:59] <Prak> ok
[02:59] <nixternal> no errors prak?
[03:00] <macd> mine acts funny, thats putting it mildly (proxim silver)
[03:00] <macd> and it never seems to to even pick the pcmcia care up without a reboot, am I missing some simple thing?
[03:00] <Prak> error messages all over the place
[03:00] <matthew> I have figured out how to install the ati driver from there website but it is not able to run open gl
[03:00] <nixternal> arg...what is the error messages???   dhcp related?
[03:01] <Prak> yes
[03:01] <nixternal> ok..so the card loaded...just not dhcp
[03:01] <nixternal> dmesg
[03:01] <nixternal> see if you get anyting crazy in there
[03:01] <nixternal> see if ipv6 still pops up too in there...it shouldn't though
[03:02] <Prak> saw eth0
[03:02] <nixternal> ifconfig eth0
[03:02] <nixternal> see if it is blank or what
[03:02] <Prak> i don't see ipv6
[03:03] <Prak> ok
[03:03] <nixternal> good...so the ipv6 is gone
[03:03] <Prak> no ip address
[03:03] <nixternal> this is so retarded
[03:03] <Prak> i know
[03:03] <nixternal> one card...and it is giving so much grief
[03:03] <nixternal> i had better luck with ndiswrapper
[03:04] <Prak> i guess i better switch the card
[03:04] <RadiantFire> sillyness...
[03:05] <kelvie> Prak: what kind of card is it?
[03:05] <Prak> d-link dfe-540txs
[03:05] <nixternal> dlink dfe-530txs
[03:05] <kelvie> hrm
[03:05] <RadiantFire> so, in the default kcontrol there are exciting options to manipulate smb.conf from a GUI, where exactly are those in Kubuntu's control center?
[03:06] <nixternal> OMG
[03:07] <nixternal> it is a known bug with that card for 2.6.16 kernel...so i am wondering
[03:07] <kelvie> he uses 2.6.15
[03:07] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, where in kcontrol never seen it  ?
[03:08] <imbrandon> nm
[03:08] <RadiantFire> there is a section labeled Samba
[03:08] <RadiantFire> I'd like to change the workgroup, but I can't find it in the control center
[03:08] <imbrandon> yea i saw it, doubt its in kubuntu's control center though
[03:09] <RadiantFire> well thats silly!
[03:09] <RadiantFire> thats an important option
[03:09] <nixternal> that card is 10/100/1000 correct?
[03:10] <Prak> 10/100
[03:10] <Prak> not sure about 1000
[03:10] <chavo> RadiantFire, just run the kde control center
[03:10] <nixternal> i thought it was for some reason
[03:10] <Prak> fast ethernet 10/100 adapter
[03:10] <nixternal> ok..
[03:12] <nrdb> if I do a 'ls *.CNM' can I reverse this to give a list of all but the .CNM files?
[03:14] <kelvie> nrdb: try find -maxdepth 1 -not -name "*.txt"
[03:14] <kelvie> er s/txt/CNM
[03:15] <corey> gosh why doesnt network manager show my wifi card now that i upgraded to dapper :(
[03:21] <Kubuntite> are there any dapper 6.06 game repositories?
[03:21] <Kubuntite> The most important feature of a distro and there's mostly 2d games and not many of them =(
[03:23] <nixternal> Subsystem: Netgear FA311 / FA312 (FA311 with WoL HW)
[03:24] <nixternal> there you go RadiantFire...i was positive it was a netgear
[03:24] <RadiantFire> which, huh?'
[03:25] <nixternal> i dunno
[03:25] <nixternal> one of those 2 though ;D
[03:25] <corey> i must not havie something configured it recognizes my wifi xists
[03:25] <corey> yet its not detecting any networks
[03:25] <nixternal> RadiantFire: you got the 530txs running?
[03:26] <RadiantFire> i've never heard of that model in my life
[03:26] <imbrandon> Kubuntite, not exactly to everyone, the most important feature to me is development, not everyone plays games, but i hear ya
[03:26] <nixternal> who in the hell said they had it running then?
[03:26] <RadiantFire> lol
[03:26] <RadiantFire> thats the second time you've tried to give me someone elses wireless problems
[03:26] <nixternal> im not scrollling up to find out either
[03:26] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[03:27] <imbrandon> nixternal, corey is all yours ;) *wireless*
[03:27] <corey> it just worked in breezy
[03:27] <RadiantFires> nixternal, there is a nifty find function in konversation if thats what you are using
[03:27] <imbrandon> looks like your the new in-house wireless guru
[03:27] <nixternal> im up to my ears in d-link dfe-530txs
[03:27] <nixternal> lol
[03:27] <corey> im missing some setting but i dont know what
[03:27] <nixternal> i know RadiantFires...i actually pressed ctrl+f by accident
[03:27] <corey> for some reason network manager isnt detecting any networks
[03:27] <RadiantFires> fun imes
[03:27] <nixternal> you got the dell corey?
[03:27] <corey> no
[03:28] <blaze> hello, can somebody help me with the kde language tool/
[03:28] <nixternal> see..im thinkin' of someone else now
[03:28] <corey> the drier and all is right
[03:28] <nixternal> lol
[03:28] <corey> driver
[03:28] <corey> it just worked on breezy
[03:28] <corey> im missing some setting
[03:28] <nixternal> did you do an upgrade...or did you flat out reinstall?
[03:28] <blaze> i can't set my keyboard and the switching buttons don't work
[03:29] <corey> upgrade
[03:29] <Kubuntite> I wish we had a "official ubuntu wifi card" and a "official ubuntu network card" and so on. So we can certify SPECIFIC hardware and buy it in bulk
[03:29] <corey> i think the issue is it made my wlan0 "eth1" and i have to change it in a setting or something
[03:29] <Kubuntite> If you did that for enough parts you could even sell a low-cost 100% compatable and fast system.
[03:29] <blaze> can somebody tell me what keyboard model to set in the language tool
[03:29] <nixternal> ya...i noticed mine is eth0 now also and  not wlan0
[03:29] <corey> like i can click "connect to wireless network" and it connects
[03:30] <corey> wlel it wont connect properply
[03:30] <corey> but its not listing thw ireless networks on the menu
[03:30] <corey> and im not sure why
[03:30] <nixternal> where are you looking at???   i manually config my wireless in terminal..i haven't used the gui for net config at all
[03:31] <nixternal> i got my lappy fired up..and i can work right along with you...tell me where to look
[03:31] <corey> network manager
[03:31] <nixternal> under system settings right?
[03:31] <corey> well its an applet
[03:31] <nixternal> k
[03:31] <corey> you have to addon
[03:31] <nixternal> hmm
[03:31] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install networkmanager right?
[03:32] <imbrandon> no it would be network-manager, and the kde frontend for that is knetworkmanager
[03:32] <imbrandon> i think he has some breezy left over
[03:32] <imbrandon> brb gotta get the phone
[03:33] <RadiantFires> i tried installing knetworkmanager, it said BREAK(install) so I gave up
[03:33] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:33] <corey> im using gnome frontend
[03:33] <corey> no the updated completely removed it
[03:33] <corey> i had to readd it
[03:33] <imbrandon> ahhh you need to be in #ubuntu then not #kubuntu ;)
[03:33] <corey> yea i am
[03:33] <corey> but too many dumb people asking easy questions
[03:33] <imbrandon> this is kubuntu ;)
[03:33] <nixternal> hahahah
[03:33] <corey> yea yea
[03:34] <nixternal> [20:34]  <corey> but too many dumb people asking easy questions
[03:34] <corey> network-manager runs on kubuntu too
[03:34] <nixternal> LOL
[03:34] <nixternal> corey..im installing it now
[03:34] <nixternal> let me check it here in a sec
[03:34] <imbrandon> corey, we use totaly diffrent programs is the problem, there is no network manager applet in kde
[03:34] <corey> yes there is
[03:34] <imbrandon> ok there is but not the same one
[03:34] <corey> basically
[03:34] <imbrandon> basicly dosent help when debuging
[03:35] <nixternal> well...that program sux cuz it took my damn static ip and made it dhcp during the install
[03:35] <corey> it doesnt suck
[03:35] <nixternal> it is installed..where is the applet hiding?
[03:35] <Kubuntite> What's fun to do with a newly installed dapper kubuntu system
[03:36] <nixternal> uninstall it and install it again ;)   thats always fun
[03:36] <corey> run "nm-appet
[03:36] <corey> "
[03:36] <nixternal> k
[03:36] <imbrandon> Kubuntite, depends on what you consider fun ;) i'm debuging some c# code right now that seems kinda fun ,)
[03:36] <corey> hrm
[03:37] <RadiantFires> mmm... debugging is fun
[03:37] <RadiantFires> watcha writtin?
[03:37] <corey> i can connect to the wifi network thru ubuntu
[03:37] <corey> so its apparently a configuration issue
[03:37] <nixternal> found it
[03:37] <nixternal> it is in the internet directory on themenu...retarded
[03:37] <nixternal> i see one network...my open one
[03:38] <corey> wireless?
[03:38] <Prak> is this something to do with my ethernet card?
[03:39] <Prak> hardware compatibility?
[03:39] <Prak> if it is, i'll just get another card and try it out again
[03:39] <Kubuntite> imbrandon: I'm learning C I find it to be very powerful without much overhead
[03:39] <nixternal> im reading Prak...i don't see much on support for that card
[03:39] <Kubuntite> imbrandon: you using mono?
[03:40] <nixternal> Prak: if you can..borrow one from your buddy to test it out
[03:40] <Prak> ok
[03:40] <imbrandon> Kubuntite, yes i use mono
[03:40] <Prak> i'll call it quits for the day
[03:40] <nixternal> i will keep looking into this issue though
[03:40] <Prak> linux has failed on me again
[03:40] <nixternal> alright man...sorry about all of this
[03:40] <nixternal> i wish we could have got it going
[03:40] <nixternal> corey: yes it is my wireless network
[03:40] <nixternal> i see my neighbors too...and im in the dungeon
[03:41] <Prak> bye
[03:41] <Kubuntite> Linux didn't fail you. Its stupid hardware dealers who dont care about linux
[03:41] <nixternal> l8r
[03:41] <corey> i try and manually join my wifi network thru network manager but it wont connect
[03:41] <nixternal> dlink has support for that card in linux though...just for the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel
[03:41] <corey> in breezy it showed detected networks, idk if they took this feature out or not,
[03:41] <nixternal> the sundance driver now in linux though may have lost support for the firmware on that card since it is so old
[03:42] <nixternal> mine shows "Wireless Networks" and under that is 'richie' 'williams' and 'hack.this.bitch'
[03:43] <Kubuntite> I've had good times with dlink
[03:43] <nixternal> richie is my upstairs network for the office, williams is nextdoor, and hack.this.bitch is wide open on its own subnet
[03:43] <Kubuntite> the router I got had a penguin and a apple on it but no windows logo. I thought I'd try it. Works great
[03:43] <nixternal> i use a dlink dwl-650 wireless card w/ no probs
[03:43] <RadiantFires> roflmao
[03:43] <corey> nixternal: yea it should, mine shows Wireless Networks
[03:43] <corey> but it doesnt show any networks under it
[03:43] <corey> and tehre should be at least 2 or 3
[03:43] <RadiantFires> hack.this.bitch...
[03:44] <nixternal> hmmm...
[03:44] <nixternal> haha ya RadiantFires
[03:44] <corey> idk why its not working
[03:44] <RadiantFires> sigh, samba shares are hard...
[03:44] <nixternal> that has been the essid on that router for the past 4 years
[03:44] <RadiantFires> lol
[03:44] <corey> i think ubuntu is trying to use it and not letting network manager access it
[03:45] <nixternal> and...samba shares worked from the install with Mepis
[03:45] <corey> brb
[03:45] <RadiantFires> i tried nfs once
[03:45] <RadiantFires> i gave that up really fast
[03:45] <nixternal> although..i notice the signal strength in network manager is way off
[03:45] <RadiantFires> smb browsing = fun, smb share hosting = the devil
[03:45] <nixternal> cuz the laptop is about 2 feet from the ap
[03:45] <nixternal> and it shows less than half
[03:46] <nixternal> ya RadiantFires...i can browse every share in the world...but i can't browse any of the shares on this system
[03:46] <nixternal> and swat don't even work
[03:46] <nixternal> lol
[03:46] <RadiantFires> yes, indeed...
[03:46] <RadiantFires> evil...
[03:46] <nixternal> http://localhost:901    error error error try again
[03:46] <nixternal> horsecrap
[03:46] <RadiantFires> actually, thats one of the few things I give props to gnome for
[03:46] <RadiantFires> they have good samba configurato
[03:47] <nixternal> really
[03:47] <nixternal> you know what....i think my breezy server is good
[03:47] <RadiantFires> i tinkered with gnome when I first started with ubuntu
[03:47] <nixternal> my breezy server has been running forever...i don't even know why..i hardly use it
[03:47] <macd> well, no luck with that, network manager sais it cant query wlan0, iwconfig shows wlan0 and the correct AP....
[03:48] <nixternal> how many network issues do we have?
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> anyone know if Google earth is gonna be on the devs for dapper?
[03:48] <Prak> nixternal, i have one more question
[03:48] <imbrandon> CaBlGuY, depends on google speed but not for dapper thats for sure
[03:48] <nixternal> let me recommend...    orinoco or prism2/3 cards..stay away from ndiswrapper....3com and intel ethernet nics
[03:48] <nixternal> ;D
[03:48] <RadiantFires> holy crap, the samba share just started working for no reason!
[03:48] <nixternal> ahahah Prak is back
[03:48] <nixternal> it is a Prak attack
[03:48] <macd> nixternal: well since I've moved to dapper, direct rendering = broken wifi = broken
[03:48] <nixternal> whats up
[03:49] <RadiantFires> maybe I should bitch about every program that doesn't work
[03:49] <CaBlGuY> imbrandon,  y u say that?
[03:49] <macd> both of which worked out of box with breezy.
[03:49] <RadiantFires> and it will magically fix itself
[03:49] <Prak> which card would you recommend in getting?
[03:49] <nixternal> macd: which card is direct rendering broke on?
[03:49] <macd> ati IGP340M
[03:49] <nixternal> 3com or intel cards = the best...i have a cheapy netgear and it works without an issue
[03:49] <Prak> 3com or intel cards?
[03:49] <macd> the fglrx driver will not work, nor will the proprietary ATI, both of which did prior to dapper.
[03:49] <imbrandon> CaBlGuY, becouse no new programs are getting added to dapper this late AND google is the one to release google earth not ubuntu ;)
[03:50] <nixternal> Prak: i think the fact is that card is old, and the firmware in it isn't supported 100% by the linux driver...now i could very well be wrong and wouldnt' doubt it...just my opinion
[03:50] <Prak> ok
[03:50] <nixternal> i am willing to bet any cheapy you buy would work great
[03:50] <DrBair> is it possible to run a DNS server on a somewhat dynamic IP?
[03:50] <Prak> ok
[03:50] <CaBlGuY> imbrandon,  ahhh  I get ya now..  ;-)  well, someone just needs to build a packege for it.. :-P
[03:50] <nixternal> you in canada prak?
[03:50] <Prak> yes
[03:50] <Cheapy> yeah
[03:50] <CaBlGuY> and stick it on the devs
[03:50] <Prak> get anyone from a friend would be fine?
[03:50] <nixternal> i thought so...the card you have is canadian
[03:50] <nixternal> lol
[03:51] <nixternal> when you google it..the top spot is canadian support
[03:51] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/743989   looks ok?
[03:51] <nixternal> ya Prak...get one from a friend...if it is free hell it wouldn't hurt to try it out
[03:51] <Prak> ok
[03:51] <Prak> later
[03:51] <nixternal> l8r
[03:52] <macd> and the AP shows the card as being i the currently connected list by MAC addy.
[03:52] <nixternal> hmmm
[03:52] <nixternal> i want to check out this networkmanager and see if i can get wep or wpa working
[03:52] <nixternal> that is something i haven't had any luck with
[03:52] <macd> yet it wont pull a addy with DHCP, so its of little use
[03:53] <macd> I might go back to breezy in all honesty
[03:55] <nixternal> OMG IT WORKED
[03:55] <nixternal> i like network-manager..im sorry for saying i didn't
[03:55] <macd> heh
[03:55] <macd> networkmanager gives me the error wlan0 cant query device.
[03:55] <macd> worked o breezy great though
[03:55] <nixternal> im using it in kde and it worked
[03:55] <nixternal> macd: you corey?
[03:55] <macd> kde here also.
[03:55] <macd> no Im not
[03:55] <nixternal> wtf
[03:56] <nixternal> WHERE DID COREY GO
[03:56] <nixternal> you both have the same exact issue
[03:56] <nixternal> he left...so i thought you were him
[03:56] <nixternal> he uses his in gnome though
[03:56] <macd> ahhh, no Im in kde 3.5.2/dapper
[03:56] <imbrandon> CaBlGuY, i could build a package for it no problem if it was ever released but that still wont get it in dapper, dapper is goona be released in a few days too late
[03:56] <macd> Im really getting fustrated though this time
[03:56] <macd> Ive never had so many problems
[03:57] <macd> at least that I couldnt solve on my own
[03:57] <imbrandon> macd, upgrade or clean install ?
[03:57] <Toothpick> Does someone have the kubuntu live cd wallpaper image that is the chalboard?
[03:58] <macd> well I started out upgrading from warty, breezy then to dapper
[03:58] <nixternal> i spoke to soon
[03:58] <macd> then I decided a clean install
[03:58] <nixternal> it knocked the wireless out totally
[03:58] <macd> I usualy distupgrade when the realse is about to go stable
[03:59] <macd> and actualy I changed my repos from dapper to breezy and distupgraded and direct rendering and wifi worked again
[03:59] <Toothpick> This is like the image http://www.washingtonco.k12.nc.us/pes/images/pes.jpg but that has been modified and I want the original
[04:03] <r0xz> last word in title has typo
[04:04] <macd> I think its too long
[04:06] <Kubuntite> wtf was that
[04:06] <Kubuntite> and why don't 3d games have sound? does kubunt have soundwrapper or anything like that?
[04:06] <Kubuntite> Trying to run Enemy-Territory
[04:07] <chavo> Kubuntite, do a killall artsd before you start it
[04:07] <Kubuntite> arts was way dead
[04:13] <Kubuntite> arts came back and the kill command dont work
[04:13] <Kubuntite> tried /etc/init.d/artsd stop but I guess it doesnt respond to that
[04:14] <RadiantFire> there is an artsd init script?
[04:14] <RadiantFire> wow
[04:14] <Kubuntite> yes
[04:14] <RadiantFire> i thought it was launched on demand from kde
[04:14] <Kubuntite> nope
[04:16] <Kubuntite> there are 6 artsd running
[04:16] <Kubuntite> when I reboot
[04:19] <Bilford> whats the best way to keep an eye on how much HD space I have left?
[04:20] <xwolf-> typing 'df -h' in a console?
[04:21] <Bilford> ty
[04:27] <satempler> why is the IBM and Sun JRE pkgs not displaying the licenses
[04:28] <satempler> apt-get will download them and try to install them but the licences won't show and then the install fales
[04:30] <satempler> any one here
[04:33] <regeya> !java
[04:33] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:37] <NewToKubuntu> whats the path for .xsession file ?
[04:39] <NewToKubuntu> nvm found it
[04:44] <satempler> regeya: I installed the sun java pacakge FROM the repos
[04:44] <satempler> well tryed any ways
[04:45] <satempler> it won't show the licences for it or the IBM Blackdown Java from the debs
[04:46] <satempler> i wish people would look at what I type instead of being some sort of Dell Tech support
[04:46] <thoreauputic> satempler: complaining about volunteer support isn't really a good strategy to get help ;-)
[04:47] <chavo> satempler, use synaptic to install it, then keep the console window open
[04:47] <satempler> no but you need to read what I am asking for help for before spouting off an answer
[04:47] <satempler> chavo: I did
[04:48] <satempler> and thats what happend the ncurses licences display or the stop thread somthing didn't show up
[04:48] <thoreauputic> satempler: and did it fail to install?
[04:50] <satempler> thoreauputic: ya because it won't display the licence
[04:50] <thoreauputic> satempler: sounds like a bug in the package then
[04:51] <gil> hello i need help with my graphics card!
[04:51] <frank_> satempler: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose dialog
[04:51] <frank_> satempler: I think there is a bug in the default settings of debconf
[04:52] <gil> how do i get kcontrol to pick up my intel 915 card
[04:53] <satempler> frank_ thanks that worked
[04:53] <satempler> now I get the ncurses diolog
[04:53] <frank_> satempler: did you install using the live cd installer?
[04:55] <satempler> frank_: ya I did
[04:55] <satempler> was that the problem
[04:56] <frank_> satempler: I think only the live cd installer leaves debconf configured like this
[04:57] <satempler> ya didn't have a problem with it before
[04:57] <satempler> on beta 2 or flight 7
[04:57] <satempler> but that was the intall alternitive or text mode install
[04:58] <frank_> satempler: yeah. live cd installer is probably the problem
[05:02] <chuck> How can I incress my screen res?
[05:06] <Bilford> go to monitor hardware settings
[05:06] <regeya> satempler: hey, maybe instead of being an a**hole, you could read my comment as "well, hm, that doesn't seem to be working for you; have you tried this method?  it worked for me..."
[05:07] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[05:07] <ubotu> Help to fix the display resolution is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:07] <regeya> but no, when people don't get the answer to the exact question they ask, they get all salty dog, go off, and insult the people trying to help them...f**k it, I'm through
[05:08] <satempler> ha some people don't understand
[05:08] <stevekl> huh
[05:08] <thoreauputic> satempler: he actually has a point
[05:08] <thoreauputic> satempler: you weren't exactly being smart
[05:08] <satempler> no he dosn't my question was there for 10min long enough to be read entirely
[05:09] <satempler> it wasn't java was cliped from my question then a canded response was thrown at me
[05:09] <thoreauputic> satempler: I won't argue with you - but you need to readjust your attitude a bit, frankly
[05:10] <thoreauputic> !COC
[05:10] <ubotu> coc is, like, the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:11] <satempler> thoreauputic: i see this happen alot people will speed read the question and then trow a caned response or flame the person for not saying the problem but has stated it several times
[05:12] <thoreauputic> satempler: that isn't the point - the point is to treat people with respect
[05:12] <satempler> thoreauputic: I am not saying i was right but I am also saying that it wasn't right for him to throw a caned resonse at me as if I am some moron
[05:12] <thoreauputic> satempler: can you imagine how often we see this kind of thing? It just happens
[05:12] <satempler> I know
[05:13] <thoreauputic> satempler: he was trying to help - insulting him isn't appropriate
[05:13] <thoreauputic> satempler: we'll leave it - I think you see the point :)
[05:14] <satempler> i see it all the time and I just get tired of it hell in #fedora i stated a problem and they repo maintainer said "I don't belevie you" and there was no logic for him to say that
[05:19] <thoreauputic> satempler: get used to it - IRC has all kinds of people and fretting over it is pointless
[05:19] <thoreauputic> satempler: I've been doing this for years now and if it gets too much there's always /ignore
[05:20] <satempler> thoreauputic: ya I know but what if /they/ need help
[05:20] <thoreauputic> satempler: it's about patience, really
[05:21] <thoreauputic> satempler: annoying I know
[05:21] <satempler> I am not trying to be an a**hole here like he referd
[05:21] <satempler> but first i come in here and the first response using uboto instead of a human
[05:22] <satempler> uboto should be used to help you not to repeat your self
[05:22] <thoreauputic> satempler: umm - what is wrong with that if the information is helpful?
[05:22] <satempler> thoreauputic: it wasn't helpful
[05:23] <thoreauputic> satempler: *sigh* - we are volunteers - if you aren't happy with our efforts, I'm sorry
[05:23] <satempler> thoreauputic: he didn't try to undersand the problem didn't ask what I was trying to do or any thing
[05:23] <thoreauputic> satempler: let it go - this is going in circles
[05:23] <satempler> he read ****java*****install**** and blanked out on every thing else
[05:24] <thoreauputic>  !enough
[05:24] <ubotu> thoreauputic: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:24] <|brad|> so uhm you guys dont happen to have 64bit chips do ya?
[05:24] <satempler> hey I have let it go
[05:24] <satempler> i was talking to some one else thoreauputic and you said my name so I resonded
[05:24] <satempler> responded
[05:26] <satempler> I try to help out here as well so.... but I rarly use ubotu I don't like robots for help on the phone so I tend to walk people thorough if they need it
[05:26] <chavo> satempler, we're not all gods like you
[05:28] <satempler> chavo: I am not a god I am just a people person I guess.  Do I have to reinstall everything or just keep updating?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[05:36] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[05:36] <orient2000> Thanks.
[05:36] <thoreauputic> orient2000: you can just do the upgrade
[05:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:37] <shulman> I just installed the latest version of kubuntu and I can't get MP3s to play.  I tried following the FAQ, but the gstreamer codec seems to be installed already
[05:38] <Bilford> did you doo   sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:38] <shulman> trying that now
[05:39] <shulman> it couldn't find the package
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> shulman: if you are using the "latest version" being dapper, that FAQ regarding gstreamer doesn't apply, dapper uses xine.
[05:39] <Bilford> ok, then you have to do this
[05:39] <Bilford> I assume youve enabled multiverse already
[05:40] <shulman> bilford: I think I have, but I've just installed kubuntu -- I'm formally a mepis user.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell shulman about repos
[05:40] <Bilford> alt+f2  adept
[05:41] <Bilford> I know exactly how to fix your problem
[05:41] <Bilford> after you open adept, go to Adept - Manage Repositories
[05:42] <shulman> ok..
[05:43] <Bilford> did you right click and enable all of them
[05:43] <Bilford> you have to do one more thing
[05:43] <gil> hello...can someone tell me why i cant choose the Intel915 video driver in kcontrol??
[05:44] <orient2000> unable deb and deb-scr?
[05:44] <orient2000> I do folow you to
[05:44] <Bilford> me?
[05:44] <orient2000> Yes I need mp3 to work too
[05:44] <Bilford> theres 8
[05:44] <chavo> orient2000, you only need deb-src if you're going to compile them
[05:45] <Bilford> look on the right side
[05:45] <Bilford> enable all the ones that have something in the Distribution/Components column
[05:45] <orient2000> there is dapper dapper updates and dapper security
[05:45] <Bilford> dont worry about that one
[05:46] <shulman> bilford, I've enabled the repositories
[05:46] <Bilford> see where it says Universe after some of them
[05:46] <Bilford> you have to double click those and add Multiverse after it too
[05:46] <Bilford> so it says:  universe multiverse
[05:46] <Bilford> you have to type it in
[05:47] <Bilford> When youre done, click Apply
[05:48] <Bilford> then click , at the top ,  Fetch Updates
[05:48] <Bilford> then go back to the terminal and do    sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:48] <Bilford> and youre done
[05:48] <satempler> am I still baned
[05:50] <shulman> bilform- I'm not seeing libxine-extracodecs -- would you like me to pastebin my apt sources list?
[05:50] <Bilford> yes
[05:51] <Bilford> did you follow every step above
[05:51] <paulb> is there a special channel for ubuntu server?
[05:52] <Bilford> oh, I see the problem
[05:52] <Bilford> you cant edit sources  in Adept, apparnetly
[05:52] <shulman> bilford - http://pastebin.com/744134
[05:52] <|brad|> Bilford: yea i had a hell of a time with that too had to edit the file manually
[05:52] <Bilford> oh, yes you can
[05:53] <Bilford> shulman, you have a few that dont have multiverse after universe
[05:53] <Bilford> lines 30
[05:53] <Bilford> you have to type in multiverse after universe
[05:54] <shulman> bilford -- line 30 has multiverse in it
[05:54] <Bilford> You can edit it in Adept, just hit Enter after making the change
[05:54] <Bilford> oh sorry
[05:54] <|brad|> Bilford: i thought thats what i was doing... dunno
[05:55] <Bilford> ok, did you click Fetch Updates
[05:55] <shulman> the only ones I didn't do were the ones that didnt have universe at all
[05:55] <Bilford> right
[05:55] <Bilford> your source is good
[05:56] <Bilford> ok, in the terminal, try this first:   sudo apt-get update
[05:56] <Bilford> then do the libxine thing
[05:56] <shulman> I did do a fetch updates, just ran it again with no luck
[05:56] <shulman> k
[05:57] <shulman> still no luck
[05:58] <Bilford> are they enabled too
[05:58] <Bilford> are they black instead of gray
[05:58] <shulman> bilford - I'm not sure what you mean?
[05:59] <Bilford> in Adept Repositories source list,, you have to right-click and enable each one
[05:59] <tim___> I can't install kdevelop
[05:59] <Bilford> so it's not grayed out
[05:59] <shulman> yes, they're all enabled
[06:01] <Bilford> I dont understand why it's not working.  I did a fresh new install today
[06:01] <Bilford> and did exactly that
[06:01] <orient2000> I did everything properly but it says "libxine-extracodecs is not available"
[06:02] <tim___> How do I get package keys?
[06:02] <r0xz> hey guys, can some of check if he/she has the same error message when hitting the quick start dialog in quanta?
[06:03] <r0xz> http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1844/quantabadx6qb.jpg (sorry, i couldn't c&p)
[06:03] <shulman> where is alsaconf usually located?
[06:04] <Bilford> you shouldnt have to do anything weird
[06:05] <Bilford> just enable, add multiverse,  refetch the list, and libxine
[06:05] <Bilford> dont mess with configs
[06:05] <Bilford> Does anyone here have any ideas why it's not working??
[06:06] <orient2000> I did sudo apt-get update and no libxine...available
[06:07] <Bilford> !mp3
[06:07] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <Bilford> I did a fresh install, and did those 4 steps without messing with anything else and it worked
[06:07] <Bilford> brand new install
[06:07] <Bilford> so I have no clue whats wrong
[06:08] <Bilford> IS anyone here that can help???
[06:08] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:10] <shulman> I think I downloaded the latest stable release, and you got the latest testing release
[06:10] <orient2000> maybe server is down?...
[06:10] <Bilford> did you get a Release Candidate
[06:10] <Bilford> or the really old Flight 7
[06:10] <Bilford> either way, it should work
[06:11] <shulman> how can I tell what version I have?
[06:11] <Bilford> it should work
[06:11] <Bilford> let me look at your sources again
[06:12] <Bilford> Ohhh
[06:12] <Bilford> wow
[06:12] <Bilford> you have Breezy Badger
[06:13] <Bilford> sorry
[06:13] <Bilford> do this
[06:13] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:14] <Bilford> sorry
[06:14] <Bilford> that should work
[06:14] <shulman> do I need to restart my sound card
[06:14] <Bilford> did it install
[06:14] <shulman> yes, it appears to have
[06:15] <Bilford> I guess log out
[06:17] <shulman> perfect... this is working now :-)
[06:17] <tata> hi all
[06:17] <Bilford> cool
[06:18] <Rigonatti> hi there
[06:18] <Rigonatti> can someone lend me a help ?
[06:19] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: What seems to be the trouble?
[06:20] <Rigonatti> well.... in true.. two.
[06:20] <Rigonatti> first of all: mysound card
[06:20] <sto6ma9ch> No sound?
[06:20] <Rigonatti> the other is ... how can u set up linux <-> crossover<-> Windows <-> Broadband connection
[06:20] <Rigonatti> no ....give me a error right on kde start
[06:21] <orient2000> libxine-extracodecs is not in a list so I did manually libxine-main1, -dev and got some more extra files. I do have library then. What do I do now? Should I compile something?
[06:21] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: What does the error message say?
[06:21] <Rigonatti> hold
[06:22] <Rigonatti> i need to find a sound =.
[06:22] <Bilford> orient2000, are you using Dapper or Breezy
[06:22] <Rigonatti> but i think is something like ..could not load (or find) sound card
[06:22] <orient2000> Dapper
[06:22] <shulman> the next question I have should be pretty easy... how do I upgrade firefox to the latest version? the version installed is 1.0.8 and 1.5x isn't on the the repositories
[06:23] <Bilford> orient2000, pastebin your sources list
[06:23] <sto6ma9ch> Ringonatti: Let's start by identifying the chipset on your sound card. Do you know that?
[06:23] <Bilford> shulman, well... you just installed?
[06:23] <Rigonatti> its a onboard intel ...i think ..its a centrino laptop ...
[06:23] <Bilford> because the next version of Ubuntu is going to be released in 2 days lol
[06:24] <Rigonatti> ccan i check in KDE ? just to make sure ?
[06:24] <shulman> figures
[06:24] <Bilford> if it's a fresh install, you can either:  update to Dapper (which already had latest FF)
[06:24] <Bilford> or download the latest Dapper and do a fresh install
[06:24] <shulman> I did it today because I figured I'd have the weekend to learn it. I can just reinstall next weekend when the new version is out and poke around then
[06:25] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch ?
[06:25] <Bilford> shulman, you can download the latest build now if you want
[06:25] <Bilford> its basically the final product
[06:26] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Try opening "System Settings". Then go to "Sound & Multimedia". There should be a "Hardware" tab. Let us know what's listed as the detected hardware device.
[06:26] <shulman> should I just completely wipe the partitions and reinstall or is there an update option?
[06:26] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/
[06:26] <Bilford> You can update
[06:27] <Bilford> I prefer fresh installs, but you can update if you want
[06:27] <Rigonatti> Select Audio  device is: auto select
[06:27] <shulman> Since I just installed this one, will it make a difference?
[06:27] <shulman> That URL doesn't work...
[06:28] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Good. Let's see if the proper kernel module was loaded.
[06:28] <Rigonatti> ok
[06:28] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Open a command prompt and type "lsmod | grep intel"
[06:29] <Bilford> weird
[06:29] <Rigonatti> done.
[06:29] <Bilford> the site just went down
[06:29] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch  done
[06:29] <sto6ma9ch> Did you find anything listed that indicates an Intel sound module?
[06:30] <Rigonatti> nope...but after de command ..nothings happens
[06:30] <Bilford> shulman, I think it went down because theyre uploading the latest daily build
[06:30] <Rigonatti> I mean  Kmenu -> Run -> lsmod | grep intel right ?
[06:30] <shulman> k... I'll give it another shot at 0100EST or so
[06:31] <Bilford> no, the whole site is down  wtf
[06:31] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: That may be the issue. We'll need to find out what the sound card's chipset is in order to tell Linux what kernel module to load.
[06:31] <Rigonatti> ok...how can i Find it ..?
[06:31] <orient2000> not sure if I did ir right http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1844/quantabadx6qb.jpg
[06:32] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Is the sound card integrated to the motherboard or is it a PCI device?
[06:32] <Rigonatti> nope...is integrated...its a Laptop
[06:32] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Er, sorry. What's the laptop? Make + model?
[06:33] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch  its a Itautec....BRazilian Made...I dont know if you know
[06:33] <Bilford> shulman, http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/
[06:33] <Rigonatti> but..some application should identify my hardware right ?
[06:34] <Rigonatti> i mean ....its onboard...and if is a centrino the chipset should be intel, consequently the sound chip too.
[06:34] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Hang on a minute while I do some Googling ...
[06:34] <Rigonatti> txs =D
[06:39] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: I found some specs that may help us out. What's the Itautec model of your laptop?
[06:39] <Rigonatti> m5410
[06:40] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Thanks. Uno momento ...
[06:40] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch  take a look :  http://developer.novell.com/yes/70202.htm
[06:40] <shulman> BIlford: I'm downloading the ISO now... I just need to install xine-extracodecs once I reinstall?
[06:41] <sto6ma9ch> {That was exactly the same pageI was looking at. Weird.}
[06:41] <Bilford> shulman, you have to enable the ones first, then add multiverse, then update first
[06:42] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch   look that , check the sound card item ::  http://www.commoner.com/~lsimon/AsusM3N.html
[06:42] <Bilford> shulman, but yes, only libxine
[06:42] <Rigonatti>  00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB AC'97 Audio (rev 03)
[06:42] <Rigonatti>  Works wonderfully with snd-intel8x0 from ALSA and the i810_audio module also loads and unloads just fine, though I'm sticking with the ALSA one
[06:43] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:44] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: I'm looking at somebody's compatibility testing here http://www.linuxtested.com/results/InfoWay_Note_Wireless_M5410.html
[06:47] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Does sound currently work with ALSA?
[06:47] <Rigonatti> yep...I see....the  Audio Chipset / Sound Card    Intel 82801DB AC 97
[06:47] <Rigonatti> ALSA ? well ....if is the default.... nope.
[06:47] <Rigonatti> i really dont know how to check
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Rigonatti: i have that card as well - what's the discussion about?
[06:51] <Rigonatti> Hobbsee Hi ...didint work with kubuntu breezer
[06:51] <sto6ma9ch> Hobbsee: Trying to help get sound to work on Rigonatti's laptop. What's the name of the kernel module that you use?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> not a clue
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Rigonatti: open kmix up
[06:52] <Rigonatti> "device /dev/dsp cant be opened"  (No such file or directory)
[06:52] <Rigonatti> Hobbsee .. Im a newbie in Linux ...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...so it's really rotten...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> Rigonatti: does "alsamixer" give you the same message?
[06:52] <Rigonatti> i c...open the sound mixer
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:53] <Rigonatti> ok....so ?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> there's a control there, i think in the input section, for "headphone jack sense"  and "line jack sense"
[06:53] <Hobbsee> mute both of them.
[06:53] <Rigonatti> Suported Sound Driver: ALSA+OSS
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Actual Sound drivers : ALSAOSS
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Experimental Multiple-Driver mdoe activated
[06:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: around?
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Show me no controls in kmix
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Mixer is empty ..
[06:55] <Rigonatti> and have no volume controls of any kind
[06:55] <Hobbsee> ack.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> that probably means your sound is more screwed than mine was...
[06:55] <Rigonatti> and in System settings is Auto detect
[06:55] <crimsun> pastebin ``lspci -v && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[06:56] <Rigonatti> the ALSA+OSS its the same of ALSAOSS ??
[06:56] <crimsun> what is that from?
[06:57] <Rigonatti> me?
[06:57] <crimsun> yes
[06:57] <crimsun> I also need that pastebin output
[06:57] <Rigonatti> I dont get sound ...  =(
[06:57] <crimsun> I can't do anything until you pastebin that information.
[06:58] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: Im not a expert ...why do u mean with pastebin ?
[06:59] <crimsun> !paste
[06:59] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package]
[06:59] <Rigonatti> crimsum:: lets start again!
[07:00] <Rigonatti> you need me to type that comand at terminal ...then paste the rsults here ?
[07:00] <crimsun> not here, on pastebin
[07:00] <Rigonatti> k
[07:02] <Rigonatti> got it ...now ..where is the pastebin ? =.
[07:04] <Rigonatti> crimsun ::  check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14815
[07:04] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:05] <Rigonatti> crimsun :: Got it ?
[07:05] <riri> Hi all
[07:05] <crimsun> Rigonatti: that's missing most of the output I requested.
[07:06] <crimsun> ``lspci -v''
[07:06] <Rigonatti> u need multimedia controller ?
[07:06] <crimsun> yes
[07:06] <crimsun> (actually I need all of lspci -v, which is why I ask for it)
[07:06] <riri> scim/kscim doesn't work properly in kde3.5.2
[07:07] <Rigonatti> hold
[07:07] <riri> chinese pictogramms aren't well display
[07:07] <riri> but on gaim they are well displayed
[07:07] <crimsun> riri: you need to be running current Dapper (i.e., update && upgrade now)
[07:08] <riri> i am current dapper
[07:08] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14816
[07:08] <riri> true ! sorry i am not !
[07:08] <riri> last night i was
[07:08] <riri> so adept is doing it now
[07:09] <crimsun> Rigonatti: ``lsmod''
[07:09] <riri> cri: do you mean it's corrected ?
[07:09] <Rigonatti> pastebin again ?
[07:10] <crimsun> Rigonatti: yes
[07:10] <Bilford> !mp3
[07:10] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:11] <crimsun> riri: possibly
[07:11] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14817
[07:11] <nixternal> Cannot start krita: no colorspaces available
[07:13] <crimsun> Rigonatti: did you happen to load i810_audio at anytime prior?
[07:13] <riri> my son has to delete is freshly kubuntu : after installing and removing vmware
[07:13] <riri> can't reinstalled it !
[07:14] <riri> like if "root" had even no more right ?
[07:14] <riri> we aren't use with sudo
[07:14] <riri> but i use it with kubuntu and have no problem
[07:15] <riri> i am really feeling ashamed ! lol
[07:15] <Bilford> how do I get mplayer to play RealAudio again
[07:15] <riri> i convinced him to come to kubuntu and leave that rubbish "ms" devil culture
[07:16] <Bilford> are you using a CD
[07:16] <riri> but now in two days he will have to partition again
[07:16] <Rigonatti> crimsun ?
[07:16] <riri> nixt : im : are you around ?
[07:16] <crimsun> Rigonatti: I'm awaiting an answer to the question I asked
[07:16] <nixternal> physically yes...mentall no
[07:16] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <riri> our savers ?lol
[07:17] <riri> sorry
[07:17] <riri> i don't want to disturb you :)
[07:17] <riri> apologize
[07:17] <nixternal> no no
[07:17] <Rigonatti> sorry ..i didnt see... no..i didnt ..i just installed kubuntu ....
[07:17] <nixternal> im not doing anything
[07:17] <nixternal> im just a lil e.tarded tonight
[07:17] <nixternal> whats up buddy?
[07:18] <riri> yes i am fresh here i wake up
[07:18] <riri> my laopo (wife) is still sleeping
[07:18] <nixternal> lol
[07:18] <riri> so : what can i do ?
[07:18] <riri> for my son ?
[07:18] <crimsun> Rigonatti: ``dmesg''
[07:18] <riri> he is not leaving with me;..
[07:19] <riri> format ?
[07:19] <nixternal> what happened?
[07:19] <riri> he installed vmware
[07:19] <riri> and xp inside
[07:19] <riri> but he has a bullshit p4
[07:19] <riri> with my athlon no problem
[07:19] <nixternal> i have a crappy xp2000+ and i do it with no prob
[07:19] <nixternal> hehe
[07:19] <riri> winlsd
[07:20] <riri> me too ! lol
[07:20] <riri> but when he will understand this
[07:20] <riri> i will have nothing more to teach him ! lol
[07:20] <Rigonatti> crimsun::  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14819
[07:20] <riri> so up to now he is convinced to move on kubuntu
[07:21] <riri> his winlsd installation didn't detect his p4
[07:21] <riri> so i told him delete the thing !
[07:21] <riri> big error of mine
[07:21] <riri> now he can't reinstall anything from vmware !
[07:21] <riri> i did it many times on my athlon
[07:22] <riri> crappy as yours ! lol
[07:22] <nixternal> hehe
[07:22] <riri> so i told him reinstall
[07:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:22] <riri> but last night was late he maybe do it only today
[07:22] <crimsun> Rigonatti: can you reboot with "pci=noacpi" please?
[07:23] <riri> i have 8h to find other solution...
[07:23] <nixternal> tell him to wipe everything and reinstall...and tell him that kubuntu is alergic to windows..so that is the problem ;)
[07:23] <riri> i read on forums that's happened to other too...
[07:23] <Rigonatti> ok...hold a sec
[07:23] <riri> lol
[07:24] <riri> with me no problem...
[07:24] <nixternal> so was he booting into kubuntu...then using vmware to launch windows?  or the other way around?
[07:24] <riri> winlsd 3.5 (xp special) lol
[07:24] <riri> works even quicker in emulation
[07:24] <riri> booting in kub with vmware for lsd
[07:25] <nixternal> hmm
[07:25] <riri> never run kub in xp ! lol
[07:25] <nixternal> kubuntu is still working right?
[07:25] <riri> yes
[07:25] <Bilford> tj9991, what are you doing about your storage problem besides waiting for something magical to happen
[07:25] <nixternal> for testing though
[07:25] <nixternal> software
[07:25] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: pci=noacpi ??
[07:25] <riri> only he can't reinstall vmware : can't copy file
[07:25] <crimsun> Rigonatti: yes.  Even thought of switching.
[07:37] <nixternal> i stopped with slackware because the community got a little wierd
[07:37] <riri> i used to fear deb
[07:37] <riri> lol
[07:37] <riri> so are many !)
[07:37] <monsterism> i recommend it for a little slower system like 5+ years, works smoother than ubuntu
[07:37] <riri> big heads
[07:37] <stevekl> Is it possible to remotely (via ssh) switch the display of a machine off?
[07:38] <riri> but i think kub has solved most of my problem for using xp
[07:38] <riri> and here the channel is "gourou" ! lol
[07:38] <nixternal> monsterism: have you tried xubuntu?  it is similar..uses xfce...i use it on an older system..not to shabby actually
[07:39] <riri> i tried the french one .. no answer ?
[07:39] <nixternal> xfce though i could do without..but it works for speed on an older system
[07:39] <rigonatti> crimsun ?
[07:39] <monsterism> yes, used xub on my old laptop
[07:39] <rigonatti> well... i press esc to enter the GRUB menu ...
[07:39] <monsterism> actually still using xub on my old laptop
[07:39] <crimsun> rigonatti: ?
[07:40] <rigonatti> crimsun then ..show me some lines... the last  one is "boot"  . I put pci=noacpi after that (without quotes)
[07:40] <riri> by the way how can i get read of an old  mandrive on hdb ?
[07:40] <Bilford> is Xubuntu much faster?
[07:40] <monsterism> but vector was great for my other laptop that was 3 years old, while ubuntu used a little more resources
[07:40] <rigonatti> crimsun:  then ..show me some lines... the last  one is "boot"  . I put pci=noacpi after that (without quotes)
[07:41] <monsterism> xubuntu imho is faster for older machines
[07:41] <Bilford> or would only tech people notice the difference in speed
[07:41] <crimsun> rigonatti: it looks something similar to your /proc/cmdline
[07:41] <crimsun> rigonatti: e.g., root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet splash pci=noacpi
[07:41] <riri> i marked in menu.ld (i think) the line of it #
[07:41] <monsterism> ran fine on 196 megs, 800 mhz celeron
[07:41] <riri> and still they are in grub ?
[07:41] <Bilford> Kubuntu runs fine on an 767 mhz laptop
[07:42] <riri> have I to delete the line not letting comment ?
[07:42] <rigonatti> crimsun: so ..i have to put all this line ...before the "boot" line in GRB ?
[07:42] <crimsun> rigonatti: no.
[07:43] <rigonatti> =. sorry ..i didnt get it.
[07:43] <crimsun> rigonatti: at the grub menu, you should have a list of kernels. Choose your normal one, then press 'e' to edit it.
[07:43] <crimsun> rigonatti: then scroll down to the kernel line (should be the second one), and edit that one to append " pci=noacpi", then press Enter and 'b' to boot
[07:44] <crimsun> I'm off work now; I'll be back online in 25 minutes.
[07:44] <rigonatti> with or withou quotes ?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> rigonatti: without quotes, i would think
[07:46] <rigonatti> ok
[07:46] <rigonatti> i will see
[07:46] <rigonatti> hold
[07:49] <rema43001> how I play mpg, wmv in kaffeine?
[07:51] <rigonatti> crimsun: ?
[07:51] <rema43001> how I play mpg, wmv in kaffeine?
[07:51] <MAJ> lol dang all u guys on kubuntu
[07:51] <rigonatti> well...have another option (acpi=off) in that line ...I used to install the system, without them...install crash.
[07:52] <rigonatti> and I put Pci=noacpi......what now ?
[07:55] <rigonatti> crimsun:  are you there ?
[08:02] <drix> Hi, I have ubuntu and am looking to switch to Ubuntu, and I've read the FAQ
[08:02] <drix> I'm using Breezy
[08:02] <drix> and when I do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[08:02] <drix> it tells me it can't find the package
[08:02] <drix> Does anyone know why?
[08:02] <steven_> drix do you have all the repositories unlocked?
[08:03] <drix> and my first line was a type, I meant to say I want to switch to KDE, not ubuntu
[08:03] <drix> steven_, I opened Synaptic and opened all the ones listed
[08:03] <pyrobob> quick question. I am logged into Kubnuntu, and I need to mount a slave HDD from here, but I don't know how
[08:03] <drix> I assumed that did it for apt-get as well
[08:03] <pyrobob> a friend walked me through it earlier, but my computer froze and re-booted and I lost the mount
[08:04] <pyrobob> and it won't let me mount now. I try sudo mount/media/hdd1 and it telle me somthing about fstab
[08:04] <pyrobob> tells*
[08:04] <steven_> drix>Ok how bout you try going to http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:05] <noiesmo> sudo mount /dev/hdxx /media/hdd1 you may also need -t after mount
[08:05] <steven_> then use that do generate a source.list and try using your new list to update to kubuntu kde desktop.
[08:05] <pyrobob> k lemme try that
[08:05] <noiesmo> pyrobob, is it mtfs or ext3 partition
[08:05] <pyrobob> moiesmo: FAT32
[08:05] <pyrobob> noiesmo*
[08:06] <rigonatti> crimsun ???
[08:06] <drix> steven_, I just opened /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommented everything
[08:06] <steven_> drix, you still there?
[08:07] <drix> I will try creating a new source if this fails
[08:07] <steven_> yeah, that should do it
[08:07] <noiesmo> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /media/hdd1 replace xxx with device
[08:08] <steven_> Tell me if that works drix.
[08:09] <pyrobob> noiesmo: says somthing about "according to mtab, /dev/hdde is already mounted on /media/hdd1
[08:09] <pyrobob> yet I can't acess it
[08:09] <rigonatti> can someone help with my sound card ?
[08:09] <drix> steven_, updating packages, I'll keep you posted
[08:09] <steven_> Ok.
[08:09] <drix> k it is working
[08:10] <drix> I just had to open all repositories
[08:10] <steven_> Awesome.
[08:10] <drix> now, to get rid of the GNOME ones once I'm in KDE
[08:10] <drix> same process?
[08:10] <drix> just
[08:10] <drix> apt-get remove GNOME
[08:10] <drix> or something?
[08:10] <steven_> I left the repositories the same, once I updated to Kubuntu dapper.
[08:10] <drix> By the way, thanks steven_ for the help
[08:10] <drix> Is Dapper fully available, or is it still in beta?
[08:10] <drumline_> has anyone here connected to a Sonicwall via VPN with Kubuntu?
[08:10] <steven_> It hasn't cause any troubles, since KDE is now set as the default instead of GDE
[08:11] <drumline_> Beta, as far as I know..
[08:11] <rigonatti> can someone help with my sound card ?  =. crimsun left me ='(
[08:11] <drumline_> drix: check distrowatch.com...   excellent resourec
[08:11] <drix> thanks drumline_ I will
[08:11] <noiesmo> pyrobob, ok try type su it should ask for password enter yours then do cd /media/hdd1
[08:11] <drix> Ha, I have work in 9 hours
[08:11] <drix> should get some sleep
[08:12] <drix> thanks for all the help
[08:12] <pyrobob> noiesmo, allright
[08:12] <macd> aticonfig: error while loading shared libraries: libfglrx_pp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:12] <macd> do I need the xserver-sorg-fglrx ?
[08:12] <pyrobob> noiesmo, there we go
[08:12] <pyrobob> its working now
[08:12] <pyrobob> is there a way I can keep it mounted?
[08:12] <noiesmo> pyrobob, yes but you are root do you want normal user to access this area
[08:13] <pyrobob> yes
[08:13] <noiesmo> pyrobob, on my site is a howto for fat32 access check it out http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060425235826649
[08:14] <pyrobob> noiesmo, allright
[08:15] <pyrobob> meh, its 1 AM and im tired. I'll bookmark and continue with this later, I guess
[08:15] <pyrobob> sometime when i can actually process what I am doing
[08:15] <drumline_> Sonicwall VPN anyone?
[08:15] <pyrobob> but thanks for the help, noiesmo
[08:15] <noiesmo> pyrobob, np
[08:16] <MasterEvilAce> KUUBUNNNTUUUU!!!
[08:20] <rigonatti> can someone help with my sound card ?
[08:21] <noiesmo> !ask
[08:21] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:22] <MasterEvilAce> what's best VM software for windows? so i can use kubuntu through windows
[08:26] <erofee> hi all
[08:26] <erofee> can anyone help me with a problem with kaffeine?
[08:26] <PyroMithrandir> depends on the problem
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, it's a trap, see, they ask that to make sure someone is around
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> and then they give the impossible question
[08:27] <noiesmo> ha ha
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> and you can't not say anything ;)
[08:27] <erofee> basically, i just can't get anything to play.  i might mention that i am very new to linux/KDE
[08:27] <MasterEvilAce> What's DIFF between Compiz and XGL?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> erofee: dvd's?
[08:28] <erofee> just a video clip.  .mpg
[08:28] <noiesmo> !tell erofee about restricted
[08:28] <Hobbsee> noiesmo: PyroMithrandir there's a factoid for that, you know :P
[08:28] <PyroMithrandir> Hobbsee, is there?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> !helpme
[08:29] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[08:29] <macd> aticonfig: error while loading shared libraries: libfglrx_pp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory    anyone have any idea? the forums have one reference, unanswered
[08:29] <Hobbsee> PyroMithrandir: ^
[08:29] <PyroMithrandir> :)
[08:29] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, well compiz is window manager and XGL is a X server
[08:29] <erofee> thanks, i'll have a read
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> so compiz is like kde/gnome/
[08:29] <PyroMithrandir> not quite
[08:30] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, not really but it controls things
[08:30] <PyroMithrandir> kde and gnome are desktop environments
[08:30] <PyroMithrandir> they each have window managers, but they aren't themselves
[08:30] <Hobbsee> macd: it's in xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:30] <macd> which is installed.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> macd: see packages.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <Hobbsee> ie, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libfglrx_pp.so.1&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hmm...odd
[08:30] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, you cannot have eye candy without both compiz and xgl and its best on dapper see #ubuntu-xgl
[08:30] <macd> no dapper for me, I just reinstalled breezy
[08:31] <macd> wifi and ati broken in dapper never to work :P
[08:31] <MasterEvilAce> noviesmo: okay, that makes sense. I always see people talking about compiz and xgl together... so basically KDE+Compiz+XGL?
[08:31] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, yep
[08:31] <macd> Hobbsee: any other suggestions?
[08:31] <MasterEvilAce> awesome, thanks
[08:31] <Hobbsee> macd: not a clue.  what's the wifi card?
[08:32] <macd> it works fine in breezy.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> what model?
[08:32] <macd> proxim silver, atheros 5211
[08:32] <PyroMithrandir> have they got xgl/compiz eye candy working well with KDE yet? last I tried it it didn't really seem integrated with KDE
[08:32] <PyroMithrandir> I mean, I had to run gnome-window-manager
[08:32] <PyroMithrandir> and all 4 of my desktops had the same background :(
[08:33] <noiesmo> yes have compiz xgl with kde but only with gnome-window-manager kde support not very good mainly gnome developers pushing xglcompiz
[08:33] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, my screenshots http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/mediagallery/album.php?aid=1
[08:33] <macd> Im really getting to the point I want to toss this thing out the window....
[08:34] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, yeah but wobbly windows rain water very sexy my eye;s love it hehe
[08:34] <Hobbsee> macd: ask about atheros cards in #ubuntu+1 - i dont know much about them
[08:35] <macd> IT WORKS ;P
[08:35] <Hobbsee> yay
[08:35] <macd> I downgraded from dapper to breezy
[08:35] <PyroMithrandir> oh, yeah, I loved the eye candy, I just like my 4 distinct desktops better :P
[08:35] <macd> works out of the box with breezy, as did ati/fglrx prior to today
[08:35] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, fair enough each to their own :)
[08:37] <macd> I'll just troll all the ubuntu rooms, someone might know ;)
[08:37] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, hey, if it worked nicely with the desktop pager on the kicker, and let me keep a different desktop background on each side of the cube, I'd love it
[08:37] <riri> hi nixt
[08:37] <riri> i just format
[08:38] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, yes I agree with you there the pager was a bit of a bugger but hay cube spins lol
[08:38] <riri> to have a fresh kub ! lol
[08:38] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, it can only improve
[08:38] <nixternal> you formated and installed again riri?
[08:38] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, that's my thinking on it. I'll just wait until it's better integrated
[08:38] <riri> yes
[08:38] <riri> to get rid of xp or mandriva contamination
[08:38] <riri> so now i have my two hdd in use
[08:38] <PyroMithrandir> besides, if I want to show off, I still have it installed, I just have to edit some config files :)
[08:38] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, I tend to use it on and off as it has sdl app issues also
[08:39] <PyroMithrandir> I had some issues with XGL and video playback, actually
[08:39] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, love showing it to M$ mates they get all jealous and defence of there M$ installs funny
[08:39] <PyroMithrandir> like, there'd be a diagonal line from one corner to another that would have a couple frames off from one side to the other
[08:40] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, what video card you running
[08:40] <PyroMithrandir> nvidia geforce fx 5500
[08:40] <noiesmo> same here was bit laggy now have 6600gt runs smooth as
[08:40] <blaze> what layout should i choose for my keyboard in the Language Tool in KDE (the one that i choose my language for the keyboard)
[08:40] <blaze> ?
[08:41] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, did you use the quinnstorm repos
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> ah, well, I run a very cheap system :) threw together the whole thing for under $300 a year ago
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, no, I don't think I did
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> it doesn't ring a bell
[08:42] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, check this site when you wanna play with it again there's info on quinnstorm repos more plugins etc http://compiz.net
[08:43] <drogen> hello?
[08:43] <noiesmo> hello
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> hello!
[08:44] <farous> can we download the old 2.4 kernel on ubuntu. The matlab program i have refuse to work on the 2.6 kernel
[08:45] <drogen> i have a question.
[08:45] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, cool, I was messing with it like 2 months ago, it was significantly more bleeding edge then :)
[08:45] <noiesmo> farous, you should be able to try sudo apt-cache search kernel-image
[08:45] <drogen> does anyone in here have a Compaq R3000
[08:45] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, very buggy back then still bit buggy now to
[08:45] <noiesmo> no ne drogen
[08:46] <farous> is it in warty then
[08:46] <noiesmo> not me drogen
[08:46] <drogen> crap
[08:46] <noiesmo> farous, not sure did you try open terminal and do sudo apt-cache search kernel-image
[08:47] <noiesmo> farous, most distro's still put 2.4 kernel on install discs
[08:47] <farous> yap
[08:47] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, yeah, I had been on on a trip back to where I used to live in Chicago and a friend of a friend there showed me a video of XGL/Compiz eye candy... I got home a week later, and I just had to have it. I upgraded from breezy to dapper and went though a hell of a lot of trouble
[08:47] <farous> it is not there
[08:47] <PyroMithrandir> it's really got potential, though. impressive
[08:48] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, no the feeling man I spent countless hours on it nearly got me divorced lol
[08:48] <drogen> is there an ubuntu xgl port
[08:48] <farous> there is howto for running xgl on dapper
[08:48] <noiesmo> drogen, go to http://compiz.net all info there on xgl runs on dapper
[08:48] <PyroMithrandir> hehe, noiesmo, you need to know when to stop, man
[08:49] <noiesmo> its so addictive love my linux
[08:50] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, don't like having something beat me either so once start a project gotta get it sorted before happy
[08:51] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, heh, yeah, of course, I'm like that too. after the first day or two I really couldn't give up
[08:52] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, :)
[08:53] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, I may be exaggerating slightly. I think it only took 2 days ;)
[08:58] <blaze> what layout should i choose for my keyboard in the Language Tool in KDE (the one that i choose my language for the keyboard)
[08:58] <blaze> please help me :)
[08:58] <PyroMithrandir> blaze, depends on your keyboard layout :)
[08:59] <blaze> but i have a laptop
[08:59] <macd> Hobbsee: btw, that missing so, was in /usr/X11R6/lib , linking it to /usr/lib solved problem.
[08:59] <blaze> not included in the list
[08:59] <Hobbsee> macd: ah okay, cool
[08:59] <blaze> would you tell me the standart one?
[08:59] <PyroMithrandir> I'd suggest you pick dvorak, because I like that layout, but you probably want the standard QWERTY whatever it is called
[08:59] <macd> not to restart X....
[08:59] <PyroMithrandir> (don't pick dvorak)
[08:59] <macd> now*
[08:59] <MasterEvilAce> Qwerty is standard keyboard stuff
[09:00] <blaze> PyroMithrandir, :D
[09:00] <blaze> so should i choose generic (101)
[09:01] <blaze> ?
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> what are options
[09:01] <blaze> a lot
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> I think i picked some 104 keyboard
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> i don't remember choices?
[09:01] <blaze> the generics are from 101 to 105
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[09:02] <blaze> my problem is
[09:02] <blaze> that the keys for changing the language are not working :(
[09:02] <MasterEvilAce> o_O
[09:04] <zerodni> hey guys i was wondering has anyone got truecrypt installed
[09:04] <PyroMithrandir> I don't
[09:05] <drumline_> truecrypt...  what's that?
[09:05] <drumline_> oh.. nice
[09:05] <drumline_> disk encryption
[09:05] <nixternal`zzz> nite all
[09:06] <zerodni> yeah
[09:06] <drumline_> is truecrypt the standard for such things?
[09:06] <blaze> can somebody help me set my KDE Controle Module?
[09:06] <zerodni> its the best multi platforum solution
[09:07] <crazy_penguin> morning everybody!
[09:07] <zerodni> i can get it working my debian boxes no problem but kubuntu has issues
[09:08] <zerodni> the kernal source for 2.6.12 is missing
[09:08] <noiesmo> zerodni, so why not just apt-get install the kernel-headers or the sorce for the kernel
[09:10] <zerodni> i could use vanilla but i want to use the ones from kubuntu the kernel-headers are in the repostory but not the source for some reson
[09:11] <zerodni> i need the source for truecrypt
[09:13] <zerodni> the funny thing is that truecrypt has a deb for ubuntu but it doenst work with the most uptodate kernel but its easier to install on debian
[09:13] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/744292   No screens found with ATI proprietary driver, am I missing something?
[09:14] <macd> doing a diff b/t the previou xorg.conf and the one after aticonfig has touched shows alot of differences, so IM not sure whats really changed in the name of ati...
[09:23] <Bilford> test
[09:23] <Bilford> am I connected
[09:24] <drumline_> yes you are
[09:24] <Bilford> ty
[09:24] <MasterEvilAce> SUCCESS TEST COMPLETED
[09:24] <MasterEvilAce> or w/e :D
[09:24] <Bilford> lol
[09:24] <MasterEvilAce> installing kubuntu on my main computer via VM
[09:25] <drumline_> VMWare or Xen?
[09:25] <kettenschutz> hey
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> vmware
[09:25] <drumline_> master: on XP?
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[09:25] <drumline_> cool...
[09:25] <drumline_> You have a dual core?
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> nope
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> gonna be laggy? :P
[09:26] <drumline_> little bit..  but it's bearable if you have something more than a 2800
[09:26] <kettenschutz> someone could explain how to create service menus?!i wanted to create a servicemenu for BCHUNK and mount an iso file
[09:26] <drumline_> and can devote the entire memory block to volatile RAM.
[09:27] <drumline_> Master: I recently pitched for a stick of 1GB to bring me close to 2GB... makes a huge difference forcing the guest OS to RAM.
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> hmm
[09:27] <drumline_> You don't need to allocate much to the guest... I got 1GB because I do more than 1 OS at a time
[09:29] <drumline_> http://wiki.techrepublic.com/twiki/bin/view/Sandbox/TriviaGeekSandbox#Video_Emperor_Palpatine_Worst_bo
[09:29] <drumline_> great for Star Wars fans.
[09:31] <MasterEvilAce> should i let it auto-partition
[09:32] <zerodni> MasterEvilAce, depend on if more than one user will be using the machine
[09:32] <MasterEvilAce> it's over VMWare, andno just me
[09:32] <MasterEvilAce> a VM os won't be able to have any effect on my current one, right?
[09:32] <zerodni> if is vmaware then just let it put in on one part with the swap
[09:32] <zerodni> nope
[09:33] <MasterEvilAce> good
[09:33] <zerodni> the whole dirve is in one file
[09:33] <bary> any1 has a sec?
[09:33] <zerodni> bary whats up
[09:33] <bary> i new in kubuntu. its a matter fact i'am new in linux
[09:34] <zerodni> thats cool
[09:34] <bary> how do i install a aplication from cd
[09:34] <bary> like firefox
[09:34] <zerodni> what kind of cd is it
[09:34] <zerodni> like the ubuntu cd
[09:34] <bary> i've already installed kubundu and that was easy
[09:34] <zerodni> what cd are you useing
[09:34] <bary> now i wanna install firefox
[09:34] <FHX> Hm..
[09:35] <bary> a normal cd
[09:35] <FHX> i'm having trouble with my DHCP configuration so I skipped it. is it important?
[09:35] <zerodni> do you want to know the gui way or the command line way
[09:35] <bary> the command line
[09:36] <zerodni> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:36] <riri> fhx
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> FHX: lol DHCP shouldn't need configuration
[09:36] <drumline_> Master: that's the best part of running a VM...  the VM is a child.    Be sure your firewall covers your Virtual network port.
[09:36] <riri> depends what you need it for ?
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I don't need no stinkin firewalls :P
[09:36] <drumline_> Master: do you use the built-in XP firewall?
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> no
[09:36] <zerodni> it will look for the cd first then the net
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> i am unprotected
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> NOBODY HACK ME :(
[09:37] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: no host-based security?
[09:37] <riri> neither am I
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: nah
[09:37] <riri> no paranoid
[09:37] <drumline_> why?
[09:37] <zerodni> firestarter is a good firewall
[09:37] <riri> yes i use firestarter
[09:37] <drumline_> core force looks to be nice for XP
[09:37] <riri> to share internet
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> I'm the opposite of paranoid. The only time something is going to hack me, it will be a random attempt and i never saw something from somebody i don't know. the chances of that are LOW, also considering people target specific companies, websites, etc. usually
[09:37] <McNutella> helooo :)
[09:37] <zerodni> the best is kmyfirewall
[09:38] <zerodni> but that uses iptables rules
[09:38] <drumline_> Master: you're behind a NAT router anyway right?
[09:38] <zerodni> if your behind nat you sould be good
[09:38] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: nah i disabled that
[09:38] <drumline_> usually....   that's if your router doesn't get hacked.
[09:39] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: no nat?
[09:39] <zerodni> if you have linksys your good
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> i'm DMZ'd on my router
[09:39] <zerodni> ah
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> because i hate opening up specific ports
[09:39] <zerodni> then you need firewall
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> nope :P
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> i don't have anything that anybody would want
[09:39] <zerodni> and your sould open ports it nuts to be open to the world
[09:39] <bary> zarodni the package must be extract or in tar.gz format?
[09:39] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: have you turned off network services like NetBIOS ?
[09:40] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: i did disable services, not sure about netbios
[09:41] <zerodni> zerodni@thedesktop:~$ nmap cpe-071-075-009-204.carolina.res.rr.com
[09:41] <zerodni> Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-05-29 03:40 EDT
[09:41] <zerodni> Interesting ports on cpe-071-075-009-204.carolina.res.rr.com (<IP_ADDRESS>):
[09:41] <zerodni> (The 1649 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
[09:41] <zerodni> PORT     STATE    SERVICE
[09:41] <zerodni> 68/tcp   filtered dhcpclient
[09:41] <zerodni> 135/tcp  filtered msrpc
[09:41] <zerodni> 136/tcp  filtered profile
[09:41] <zerodni> 137/tcp  filtered netbios-ns
[09:41] <zerodni> 138/tcp  filtered netbios-dgm
[09:41] <zerodni> 139/tcp  filtered netbios-ssn
[09:41] <zerodni> 445/tcp  filtered microsoft-ds
[09:41] <MasterEvilAce> omg pastebin FTW
[09:41] <zerodni> 593/tcp  filtered http-rpc-epmap
[09:41] <zerodni> 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931
[09:41] <McNutella> I changed session from ubuntu to kubuntu, is there any way to have the desktop icons showing ?
[09:41] <zerodni> 5050/tcp filtered mmcc
[09:41] <zerodni> 5800/tcp filtered vnc-http
[09:41] <zerodni> 5801/tcp filtered vnc-http-1
[09:41] <zerodni> 5802/tcp filtered vnc-http-2
[09:41] <zerodni> 5803/tcp filtered vnc-http-3
[09:41] <zerodni> that is way you sould be behind the firewall
[09:41] <McNutella> zerodni: bad move mate LOL
[09:41] <FHX> DUDE
[09:42] <FHX> pastebin
[09:42] <zerodni> how is that a bad move
[09:42] <McNutella> zerodni: coz no one likes a paster
[09:42] <MasterEvilAce> spam :P
[09:42] <FHX> because you pasted everytying on here
[09:42] <FHX> =_=
[09:42] <crimsun> zerodni: pasting > 3 lines consecutively is called spamming.   I've managed Intrusion Detection System logs for a data center and my own personal firewall logs...  You would flip at how much automated attacking goes on and how wide open you are.   If you have all those ports open, you might already be hacked with a rootkit and not even know it.
[09:42] <zerodni> i just did it to show his info im not spaming
[09:43] <FHX> it was spamming if not everyone wanted to see it
[09:43] <Lynoure> more like flooding, but still...
[09:43] <crimsun> zerodni: yes you did, and I'm not going to argue about it.
[09:43] <McNutella> its called flooding on IRC zerodni  :(
[09:43] <crimsun> just use pastebin next time
[09:43] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: ever type a credit card into that computer?   Ever access your bank account online?   Ever access an email account tied to an online bank account?   do paypal?    Any data passing through your keyboard would then be accessible.
[09:43] <zerodni> so it would been ok if i typed all that by hand
[09:44] <FHX> No
[09:44] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: i understand some are random. i'm not paranoid and think i need a huge firewall and virus scanners, etc. i doubt anything will happen (unless someone tries to hack me to prove me wrong in IRC :P)
[09:44] <McNutella> lol
[09:44] <McNutella> anyhoo
[09:44] <teenboyfeet> hey folks. i set up my xorg.conf settings to run two X desktops, one on my CRT and one on my TV, according to the instructions on the ubuntu wiki page "nvidiatvout". this was fine when i was running in GNOME. but since ive switched to KDE, i can run the two desktops fine but the mouse will not move from my first monitor to the second. any ideas? thanks
[09:44] <McNutella> zerodni: I dont wanna sound rude, but if you dont know how to behave on IRC, then I suggest you go read about the basics first :S
[09:44] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: some?   Most are random.   Like I said, you'd have to see it to believe it.  An unpatched Microsoft 2000 box doesn't last 1 hour now before becoming completely infected.
[09:45] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: and I'm certain that XP is not far behind.
[09:45] <blaze> how can my ip be invisible in Kopete?
[09:45] <McNutella> blaze: i didnt know you could on KoPete :)
[09:45] <zerodni> i have been on irc forevery i know how to behave when i start pasting for freecasinos and porn you can let me know and i wasnt doing a stupid macho picture
[09:45] <zerodni> but anyway
[09:45] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: i seriously suggest you getting up to speed about what security professionals recommend to protect yourself.  You're playing with fire.
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I understand, i am always fully patched up, and I know that doesn't mean you're secure. but if somebody wants in bad enough, they'll get in eventually
[09:46] <zerodni> but dont let them have it easy MasterEvilAce
[09:46] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: that last part about somebody wanting in bad enough applies almost completely to Internet-facing servers and not to client PC's..  You are incorrectly applying that generality.
[09:47] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: the're not going to see it as a server or not, they're just oging to see a computer
[09:49] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: the issue with "if they want in, they'll eventually get in" refers to an internet server with a static presence - A domain name or a hostname that doesn't change.  It does not refer to a client PC on a dynamic link.
[09:49] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: my computer is always on, and my IP is always the same
[09:49] <MasterEvilAce> i'll disable DMZ just to make you happy :(
[09:49] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: same thing applies.  Do you have a domain name and run servers?
[09:49] <zerodni> lol
[09:50] <McNutella> where do I install window decorations? and can I use the same one as I use with ubuntu ?
[09:50] <MasterEvilAce> i run a server or two, not webserver or anything like that
[09:50] <zerodni> McNutella, i dont think you can but it under system settings under apeince
[09:50] <teenboyfeet> McNutella: kcontrol?
[09:51] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: look...  I can tell by your responses that you aren't fully understanding what I mean.   Just check out what security professionals recommend in this area...
[09:51] <drumline_> MasteEvilAce: what... like P2P?
[09:51] <MasterEvilAce> not 24/7 but yes, and Ventrilo
[09:51] <zerodni> drumline_, problem bit torrent LOL
[09:51] <McNutella> zerodni ; teenboyfeet thanks
[09:51] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: like copyright violation P2P?
[09:51] <teenboyfeet> np
[09:51] <zerodni> MasterEvilAce, let give you a senaro
[09:52] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I understand that i can be hacked at anytime, etc. The point is, it doesn't matter, there's nothing for somebody to gain by doing it
[09:52] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: you don't have to answer that...    You are allowing unsolicited communication into your box.
[09:52] <MasterEvilAce> going YEARS doing this, no problems. firewalls, anti virus, etc. are a huge hassle to work with. i don't care enough
[09:53] <zerodni> you have ventrillo and there is an exploit with it and  it opens up to access with something else this is less likely on linux but it could happen and you are dmz so any port they open is ported through
[09:54] <zerodni> MasterEvilAce, you have the right to do what you want but i hope you dont do this on a windows box
[09:54] <zerodni> for our sake
[09:54] <MasterEvilAce> zerodni: umm.. what? lol
[09:54] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: not true.   Your computer can be used as one of the drones in some of the lucrative illegal schemes on the internet.   It could be used to attack internet computers.  It could be used to infect others.  It could be used to steal any data you type into your keypad for extortion, to steal your money, etc...    It could be used as a relay for SPAM...    All of which can illicit a visit by the FBI to your door.      Rootkit technology is more advanced that you realize.   Now, rootkits can lift your operating system into a virtual machine and operate OUTSIDE your operating system.
[09:56] <zerodni> this is even more importent on a windows box
[09:57] <zerodni> yep chrootkit is awsome
[09:57] <drumline_> chrootkit doesn't find it
[09:57] <drumline_> The technology I'm talking about is for MS OS's
[09:57] <zerodni> ah yeah
[09:57] <drumline_> but it may exist for Linux.. who knows...   probably not though.
[09:57] <zerodni> rootkitreviler is good for windows right
[09:58] <zerodni> its been while for me and windows
[09:58] <drumline_> rootkitrevealer is a decent one that will catch rootkits trying to hide data from regedit.
[09:58] <MasterEvilAce> test
[09:58] <zerodni> and its only for known rootkits
[09:59] <drumline_> Master: got the test.
[09:59] <drumline_> zerodni: it'll find things that aren't rootkits too...  just strange things that aren't even malicious.
[09:59] <zerodni> yep
[10:00] <zerodni> its a good little program but you have to agree that its deffently not full proof
[10:01] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: The door was opened when you wanted to involve yourself in P2P filesharing...  you unlocked your computer for that purpose..    Both involving yourself in P2P and unlocking your computer is risky...  and should you ever show up on FBI radar, you'd be in a world of hurt.   Just wanted to throw that out there for your consideration.  You can do whatever you want with it.   :)
[10:02] <drumline_> zerodni: oh no...   there are rootkits that are kernel-level and hide from all windows API's
[10:02] <zerodni> yep
[10:02] <drumline_> zerodni: at that point, you need a file listing of every file on the computer from WITHIN the operating system and from OUTSIDE the operating system(a boot cd-rom) and the compare the two.
[10:03] <zerodni> i used a barts pe disk once to to a scan outside the OS
[10:03] <MasterEvilAce> restarting
[10:03] <zerodni> it worked ok
[10:03] <drumline_> zerodni: funny thing...  I haven't gotten around to doing that...  I guess I want a linux solution.
[10:04] <drumline_> I think I'll make a disc that has cygwin on it and does the listing and can also boot and do the listing outside
[10:04] <zerodni> for linux chrootkit on linux live cd works good for linux installs
[10:04] <drumline_> which linux live cd?
[10:04] <drumline_> kubuntu?
[10:04] <zerodni> but you would have to use a windows kernal for it to compare i think
[10:05] <zerodni> any of them that have chrootkit and maybe a AV like clam
[10:05] <zerodni> just to be on the safe side
[10:05] <zerodni> i use STD for almost everything like that
[10:05] <drumline_> yeah...   Windows kernel...  that's where Cygwin comes in.  :)
[10:06] <drumline_> cygwin can output listings in the same formats...
[10:06] <drumline_> and run perl scripts nicely...
[10:06] <zerodni> but what programe would you use that reads windows rootkits
[10:06] <drumline_> perl... mmmm...
[10:06] <drumline_> That would be interesting to see if rootkitrevealer would work in WINE.
[10:07] <drumline_> probably not.  :)
[10:07] <zerodni> it does but not very well
[10:07] <zerodni> lol
[10:07] <drumline_> really?
[10:07] <drumline_> what do you mean?
[10:07] <zerodni> and it would check your veral wine not your system
[10:07] <zerodni> lol
[10:09] <drumline_> oh..  funny
[10:09] <drumline_> it isn't coded to examine other systems... only the local one.
[10:09] <drumline_> well that's funny..
[10:09] <zerodni> yeah
[10:09] <drumline_> Meanwhile...  tis time for me to hit the hay..
[10:09] <zerodni> that is why it only checked the wine windows install the one in your home dir
[10:10] <drumline_> I'll leave you with a limerick
[10:10] <zerodni> there was a man from nantuckit
[10:10] <drumline_> There was a young man from Yuma, Who told an elephant joke to a Puma.   Now his body lies, under hot western skies.  The Puma had no sense of Huma.
[10:10] <zerodni> lol
[10:11] <drumline_> :)
[10:12] <blaze> how can i add a sound icon in the taskbar
[10:12] <blaze> i mean a volume controller
[10:12] <blaze> ?
[10:13] <zerodni> kmix