[00:17] <eidolon> hi folks... i'm running a myth box that's based on an ancient install of knoppmyth.  I'm considering nuking the whole setup from orbit and starting over.  i do some myth stuff but mostly mythgame stuff with Mame et al.  question - will mythbuntu allow in-place updating of mythtv updates?  that's been my biggest problem with knoppmyth.  i can't just do 'aptitude update/upgrade' and have things brought up to date.
[00:17] <eidolon> and mythtv changes fast :)
[00:32] <JThundley> a wise decision, it's the only way to be sure
[00:33] <JThundley> what do you mean by in-place? I updated my mythbackend and frontend and it didn't break anything
[00:33] <JThundley> I used to run a myth system so jacked that I couldn't update anything
[00:52] <DiggThis> after upgrading to lastest update my tv card is not recognised anymore??
[00:52] <Seeker`> Can anyone confirm that the Hauppauge pvr 150 will receive analog signals?
[00:53] <superm1_> of course it will
[00:53] <superm1_> totem mythtv plugin. hells yeah :) http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap
[00:53] <DiggThis> superm1_: why does the latest update break funtionality?
[00:53] <superm1_> what latest update
[00:53] <superm1_> broke what
[00:54] <DiggThis> update icon came up then i updated and now my card is not recognised anymore?
[00:54] <superm1_> what update?
[00:55] <DiggThis> last one rolled out i guess to mythtv features
[00:55] <superm1_> wha?
[00:55] <superm1_> when was said update released?
[00:56] <superm1_> i'm not aware of anything like this
[00:56] <DiggThis> how do i check?
[00:56] <superm1_> well there is some apt logging
[00:56] <DiggThis> command?
[00:56] <superm1_> i dont know where its at off hand
[00:56] <tgm4883_laptop> Seeker`, yes, it will not however receiver digital signals
[00:57] <superm1_> /var/log/dpkg.log
[00:58] <DiggThis> 2.6.1 ubuntu
[00:58] <DiggThis> does that make sense?
[00:58] <superm1_> package name
[00:58] <superm1_> what got updated
[00:58] <superm1_> and why
[00:59] <DiggThis> do you want me to post cause the list is huge?
[00:59] <superm1_> just look at the end of the log
[00:59] <superm1_> and you can see the last few things that were installed
[01:00] <Seeker`> tgm4883_laptop: Thanks. I cant get digital here anyway :(
[01:00] <DiggThis> last one was libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10
[01:01] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[01:01] <superm1_> well that wouldn't have changed anything.
[01:01] <superm1_> what else?
[01:01] <DiggThis> before that was mythtv 0.20.2+fixes14789
[01:01] <superm1_> oh you are using the fixes on weekly builds
[01:02] <DiggThis> what?
[01:02] <DiggThis> is there any way to fix?
[01:04] <superm1_> have you rebooted?
[01:04] <superm1_> since you installed the new updates?
[01:04] <DiggThis> 2 times
[01:04] <superm1_> so what's happening that broke?
[01:05] <superm1_> the card isnt in mythtv-setup?
[01:05] <superm1_> or what
[01:06] <DiggThis> yes exactly says card could not be opened on frontend id no such file or dir
[01:06] <eidolon> JThundley: sorry, stepped away.
[01:07] <DiggThis> all was perfect before update
[01:07] <eidolon> so mythbuntu is allowing in-place mythtv (backend and frontend I assume) updates?
[01:07] <eidolon> that would be -awesome-
[01:07] <superm1_> well it should....
[01:07] <superm1_> we have weekly builds going on a ppa
[01:07] <superm1_> that are optional
[01:07] <superm1_> but DiggThis appears to have run into some issues
[01:07] <DiggThis> i must be the first
[01:07] <DiggThis> grep returns nothing
[01:10] <superm1_> DiggThis, well so in mythtv-setup, can you see your cards listed though
[01:10] <DiggThis> no not at all the message that i mentioned before comes up
[01:11] <superm1_> thats in the forntend though
[01:11] <superm1_> i mean in mythtv-setup?
[01:11] <DiggThis> no in the backend setup page
[01:12] <DiggThis> under capture card setup no card recog.
[01:16] <jargonjustin> Is it recommended to have a separate /boot partition, or just / and swap?
[01:19] <superm1_> DiggThis, what kind of card?
[01:20] <DiggThis> hauppauge nova-t 500
[01:25] <superm1_> DiggThis, okay so is the module for it loaded
[01:25] <superm1_> check out dmesg/lsmod/ etc
[01:26] <jargonjustin> For setting up my video card, using the proprietary NVidia driver (ewww, but it'll work better), does it matter if I select composite or s-video?  There's only one port on the card at the default output resolution seems to be NTSC-M for both.
[01:28] <DiggThis> what you mean is that a command?
[01:29] <superm1_> go svideo jargonjustin
[01:29] <superm1_> DiggThis, well look at dmesg
[01:30] <superm1_> and see what hauppauge related stuff is mentioned
[01:30] <DiggThis> k
[01:31] <DiggThis> only a bunch of sata stuff no hauppauge
[01:32] <DiggThis> shouldn't dmesg | grep dvb return results?
[01:35] <superm1_> according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI
[01:35] <superm1_> you should get a dib0700 module loaded
[01:35] <superm1_> can you try to modprobe that yourself
[01:35] <superm1_> and see if you can
[01:35] <DiggThis> command?
[01:37] <DiggThis> ok tried it and no message
[01:38] <DiggThis> this is really weird a break like this
[01:41] <superm1_> you sure that you didnt install a new kernel too or anything like that?
[01:42] <superm1_> DiggThis, you tried:
[01:42] <superm1_> sudo modprobe dvb-usb-dib0700
[01:42] <DiggThis> positive and yes returns to the prompt without notification
[01:44] <superm1_> dmesg
[01:44] <superm1_> afterwards
[01:44] <superm1_> and see if it loaded
[01:44] <DiggThis> kernel is 2.6.22-14
[01:44] <DiggThis> and the upgrade wsa huge upgrading all of myth components
[01:45] <superm1_> well but what i'm saying here, if the module isn't loading
[01:45] <superm1_> its irrelevant what else got upgraded
[01:45] <superm1_> so you need to figure out if its currently loaded
[01:45] <superm1_> or if its not
[01:45] <superm1_> why its not
[01:46] <DiggThis> k
[01:46] <jargonjustin> The installation's been at "configuring mythtv" for about 10 minutes now: should I be worried?
[01:46] <eidolon> wow, a metrocast client :)
[01:47] <magicrobotmonkey> hey a while ago someone pointed me to a PPA with mythbuntus myth theme, now i cant find it, dooes anyone know where it is?
[01:47] <magicrobotmonkey> heh yea eidolon and its teh suck, i can only get like 8000B/s from archive.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <eidolon> we have a house up in maine not far from you i bet (near sanbornville)
[01:47] <DiggThis> superm1_: not loaded
[01:48] <superm1_> magicrobotmonkey, go to http://mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[01:48] <superm1_> and you'll find it there
[01:48] <magicrobotmonkey> cool, is that a new site?
[01:48] <superm1_> jargonjustin, perhaps perhaps not.
[01:48] <superm1_> jargonjustin, depends on what its really doing :)
[01:48] <superm1_> is the hd light flying?
[01:49] <DiggThis> superm1: is there any way to roll back?
[01:49] <jargonjustin> superm1_: Both the drive and the CD look inactive.
[01:50] <superm1_> DiggThis, rolling back the packages wont load your module
[01:50] <superm1_> these sound like isolated issues
[01:50] <superm1_> DiggThis, you haven't said yet whether the module is loaded though
[01:50] <superm1_> jargonjustin, well you can check out /var/log/syslog
[01:50] <magicrobotmonkey>  gar, 7.9 KB/s, whats the deal, metrocast?
[01:50] <superm1_> and see what the last item was there
[01:50] <magicrobotmonkey> launchpad cant be that far away
[01:50] <DiggThis> it is not loaded
[01:52] <superm1_> DiggThis, okay well try to
[01:52] <superm1_> sudo depmod -a
[01:52] <superm1_> and hten reload
[01:52] <superm1_> DiggThis, did you ever build this driver from mercurial, or need to?
[01:53] <DiggThis> no just placed into lib/firmware and was great guns
[01:54] <jargonjustin> superm1_: This looks bad: http://rafb.net/p/pvwhp365.html
[01:55] <superm1_> jargonjustin, that's definely bad
[01:55] <superm1_> jargonjustin, what kind of install was this?
[01:55] <superm1_> and did you choose a fun character in a password?
[01:55] <superm1_> that we didn't properly escape?
[01:55] <jargonjustin> superm1_, I did a backend/frontend (minimal desktop) and clicked advance, but ended up leaving the packages at their default.
[01:56] <jargonjustin> There's an apostrophe in the password :-)
[01:56] <superm1_> there we go i bet
[01:56] <superm1_> can you please file a bug
[01:56] <superm1_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+filebug
[01:56] <superm1_> and choose a password without one for now
[01:56] <superm1_> add that /var/log/syslog to the bug
[01:56] <superm1_> and if you can specify where you placed the apostrophe
[01:56] <DiggThis> superm1_: im gonna try to take out card and then reinsert maybe that might work
[01:56] <jargonjustin> Okay, thanks.
[01:57] <superm1_> DiggThis, hopefully
[01:57] <superm1_> jargonjustin, thanks for catching it and reporting it.  we'd have no idea other wise :)
[01:57] <DiggThis> wait and see
[02:02] <jargonjustin> superm1_: no problem, thanks for figuring out the problem so quickly
[02:03] <jargonjustin> When setting a password for mythweb, does that create another user account or is it just a mythtv configuration setting?
[02:03] <superm1_> jargonjustin, having written the ubiquity frontend, its pretty easy to know where to narrow these tihngs down
[02:03] <superm1_> jargonjustin, just an apache setting actually
[02:03] <superm1_> doesnt make any user accounts
[02:07] <jargonjustin> superm1_: Is this bug the same issue, or should I report mine? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/159350
[02:07] <superm1_> jargonjustin, thats different
[02:08] <frozenskunk> Can someone give me a hand getting a frontend running? I have have a working backend, and am trying to get my desktop to connect to it as a frontend. I have followed the guide at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Frontend_Desktop and for some reason can't get the frontend configured. It keeps crashing with 2007-11-05 21:02:07.235 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. when I try and put in the backend settings.
[02:08] <superm1_> frozenskunk, did you check the connection to the mysql server in mcc?
[02:08] <frozenskunk> not familiar with mcc...
[02:10] <jargonjustin> superm1_: reported https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/160368
[02:10] <frozenskunk> I have used more /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to check the settings though
[02:11] <superm1_> frozenskunk, well open up the mythbuntu control centre
[02:11] <superm1_> frozenskunk, and then on the mythtv configuration tab hit the test connection button
[02:11] <superm1_> it will make sure that you can connect to mysql with the current settings as mythtv would
[02:12] <frozenskunk> I am only running mythbuntu on the backend box, I am trying to get the frontend running on my desktop which is a regular ubuntu install
[02:12] <superm1_> frozenskunk, well you can still install the control centre
[02:12] <superm1_> it doesnt hurt to do so
[02:13] <frozenskunk> Ok, I will try that.
[02:15] <DiggThis> superm1_: that did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:15] <superm1_> DiggThis, haha
[02:15] <superm1_> DiggThis, and you blamed package updates....
[02:16] <DiggThis> thankyou for your help anyway weirdness here
[02:16] <DiggThis> must have not been recognised somehow in biox
[02:16] <DiggThis> bios
[02:17] <DiggThis> on a diff. question do you know if the restriced drivers problem with all ati cards has been worked out yet off the opt of your head
[02:18] <superm1_> i dont know what problem you're referring to
[02:19] <DiggThis> in gutsy forums alot of people are having trouble getting there new ati cards to work under it
[02:20] <superm1_> there have been no updates within the ubuntu archive to ati drivers
[02:20] <superm1_> there are however newer drivers available from the amd website
[02:21] <DiggThis> but installing them on my system is not known to me...
[02:22] <superm1_> DiggThis, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide
[02:22] <superm1_> method 2
[02:22] <DiggThis> already tried that and does not work for me
[02:23] <superm1_> well that's the newest public driver on that page
[02:25] <DiggThis> k
[02:26] <DiggThis> must have been just updated
[02:27] <superm1_> well so you haven't tried it then :)
[02:28] <DiggThis> no i think i tried the one before that
[02:30] <frozenskunk> superm1_, got mcc installed and tried the sql settings from there, and it fails. Is there something I have to do to the mythbuntu backend to make it accept the connection from the frontend box?
[02:30] <superm1_> frozenskunk,
[02:30] <superm1_> yes
[02:30] <superm1_> it has to be listening for mysql connection
[02:30] <superm1_> you can turn on the mysql service on the backend
[02:30] <superm1_> in the backend's mcc
[02:30] <jargonjustin> I'm trying to configure myth-setup, and I don't think things are working correctly with Schedules Direct (trial account) nor my capture card.  Is there a troubleshooting guide somewhere?
[02:31] <frozenskunk> ok, let me try that.
[02:36] <superm1_> jargonjustin, download the pdf from the website
[02:36] <superm1_> it walks you through the proper way to run mythtv-setup
[02:36] <superm1_> and such
[02:43] <frozenskunk> superm1_, enabled that on the backend, and still getting a failure on the frontend mcc
[02:44] <frozenskunk> hmm.. vnc doesn't seem to connect either (I just enabled it also) so I need to restart?
[02:45] <superm1> yes
[02:45] <superm1> there are no warnings for that as such yet
[02:45] <superm1> but should be adding that for hardy
[02:46] <frozenskunk> do I need to restart the whole machine, or just ctl-alt-bkspc?
[02:46] <superm1> for VNC, restarting X is all you need to do
[02:46] <superm1> for sql, you can restart it via
[02:46] <frozenskunk> but sgl takes a full reboot?
[02:46] <superm1> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[02:46] <frozenskunk> sql I mean
[02:58] <solarbaby> Transcode failed with status: 247
[02:58] <solarbaby> Hmmm..  guess that didn't work as expected
[03:08] <frozenskunk> superm1_, that let me connect with the frontend to the backend, but when I try to do anything on the frontend (watch recordings, setup, etc) I get an error telling me that it couldn't connect to the backend and asking if the IP was correct.
[03:09] <jargonjustin> What packages need to be installed to get the Xubuntu look-and-feel in XFCE?
[03:12] <superm1> frozenskunk, you need to have the correct IP put in place in mythtv-setup
[03:12] <superm1> if you didn't that's why
[03:12] <superm1> jargonjustin, xubuntu-default-settings i think
[03:15] <frozenskunk> isn't mythtv-setup only on the backend? I can't run it from the frontend...
[03:15] <superm1> frozenskunk, exactly
[03:15] <superm1> run it on your backend
[03:15] <superm1> and update the ip address in both general sections
[03:15] <superm1> to be your ip address
[03:16] <frozenskunk> but the backend already has a frontend running on it. won't that screw it up? What do I need to change on the backend to allow multiple frontends to connect?
[03:17] <jargonjustin> superm1: I installed it, but the window chrome is still really dark.  Does Mythbuntu use a modified GTK engine?
[03:17] <superm1> yes
[03:17] <superm1> you can change that in the settings panels
[03:17] <superm1> the appearance one i think
[03:18] <jargonjustin> superm1, It'll let me change the theme, but I think it's still using the Mythbuntu engine.
[03:19] <superm1> jargonjustin, remove ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[03:19] <superm1> i think
[03:21] <jargonjustin> That did it, thanks
[03:27] <frozenskunk> superm1_, Ok, I see. I had the backend set to <IP_ADDRESS>, had to set it to it's actual local IP. Got it going now. Thanks for all your help!
[03:28] <jargonjustin> Actually, that fixed it for applications run as the user, but not under sudo.  Do you know how to set the theme for however Mythbuntu handles root?
[03:29] <frozenskunk> btw, you replied to one of my forum posts the other day about getting the PVR-350 doing the work for the CPU. I gave up on getting it to do that when I realized that if I cleaned all the gunk off the CPU heatsink fan, it wouldn't overheat... ;-)
[03:36] <frozenskunk> superm1_, well, I thought that did it. When I try and watch a recording on the new frontend (my desktop) it crashed the desktop and took me back to the login screen (just like crtl-alt-bkspc would have). Any ideas?
[03:36] <superm1> turn off Xgl
[03:38] <frozenskunk> I thought that I had when I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy, how do I make sure?
[03:38] <superm1> it's on by default if you have it installed
[03:39] <frozenskunk> so just remove xgl?
[03:39] <superm1> xserver-xgl
[03:39] <superm1> is the package
[03:39] <frozenskunk> will that screw anything else up?
[03:39] <superm1> well you will lose any bling that is provided by it
[03:39] <frozenskunk> is that what compix uses/
[03:40] <frozenskunk> compiz?
[03:40] <superm1> depends upon your graphics driver
[03:40] <superm1> whether you need it or not
[03:40] <superm1> put it this way, its either myth or xgl, but there are alternatives to xgl
[03:40] <frozenskunk> yeah, myth wins out, just wanted to know what I was going to have to fix... ;-)
[03:41] <superm1> don't you find it odd that i knew it was xgl though.....
[03:41] <superm1> :)
[03:44] <frozenskunk> not really odd, so much as lucky... I have found all sorts of little quirks like that (If A and B, Not C, Or D) that if you find the right person to match to your odd failure... ;-)
[03:44] <frozenskunk> removing xgl requires only actrl-alt-bkspc, right?
[03:45] <superm1> well after you uninstall it
[03:45] <superm1> yeah
[03:58] <frozenskunk> superm1, You'r a genius! That took care of that... Now... (How is it I find every last problem there is to find?)
[03:58] <frozenskunk> when I am watching recordings on the front end, the audio is fine, but the video plays jerky (maybe 3-4 fps) both boxes are on the same LAN, so I don't think badwidth is the problem...
[04:27] <frozenskunk> superm1, you still here?
[04:28] <superm1> yeah
[04:28] <frozenskunk> I have every thing going, but the video on the frontend isn't very smooth, any ideas where to start looking?
[04:29] <superm1> in the video playback settings page
[04:30] <frozenskunk> video playback in recordings preview is fine, but to watch the video, it doesn't
[04:30] <superm1> there is a ton of options in there
[04:30] <superm1> and if its an nvidia card
[04:30] <frozenskunk> 'flow' very welll
[04:30] <superm1> open up mcc
[04:30] <frozenskunk> card is ati
[04:30] <superm1> and open nvidia-settings
[04:30] <superm1> okay nvm
[04:30] <superm1> well there is still a ton of options in the video playback settings page
[04:31] <frozenskunk> is odd though that playback on the previews is good , but to actually watch the playback is jerky?
[04:31] <superm1> not if its hidef
[04:32] <superm1> is it?
[04:33] <frozenskunk> not hidef
[04:34] <frozenskunk> everything is fine from the main box which is the backend and frontend for the television. The frontend that I am having problems with is my desktop that I am running the frontend on to watch stuff while the woman is watching TV.
[04:35] <tazgodx_> so when watching TV i am noticing a split in the TV where the top half and bottom halves aren't matching up the video. is this just my retarded computer screwing up, or is there some kind of setting im missing?
[04:35] <superm1> well like i said play through those options for video playback settings
[04:35] <superm1> interlacing
[04:35] <superm1> realtime
[04:35] <superm1> etc
[04:35] <superm1> tazgodx_, its like a tearing picture?
[04:36] <frozenskunk> any idea where to start?
[04:36] <superm1> tazgodx_, you probably want to open mcc->nvidia-settings and adjust the vsync options
[04:36] <tgm4883_laptop> frozenskunk, wireless?
[04:36] <tazgodx_> its like a line accross the middle and the top and bottom arn't quite matched. hard to explain
[04:36] <tazgodx_> ill try that
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx_, thats vertical sync
[04:37] <tgm4883_laptop> or lack thereof actually
[04:37] <tazgodx_> but i don't notice it all the time. just somtimes
[04:38] <frozenskunk> no, everything is wired on the network
[04:39] <tazgodx_> hmmmm, i don't see any vsync options in nvidia-settings
[04:40] <superm1> yes there are
[04:40] <superm1> there are two or three checkboxes for it
[04:40] <tazgodx_> "synch to vblank"?
[04:41] <superm1> yes
[04:41] <tazgodx_> ok ill try that, thanks
[04:44] <jargonjustin> I'm setting up Samba, we've previously had a directory structure setup including movies that I'd like Myth to be able to interface with.  Should I just symlink /var/lib/mythtv/videos to the appropriate directory?
[04:44] <superm1> jargonjustin, yes
[04:44] <superm1> that's the easiest
[04:45] <jargonjustin> What kind of permissions need to be set?  Just read access?
[04:45] <superm1> that's up to you.
[04:46] <jargonjustin> What would Myth need to write to the directory for, anything?
[04:46] <jargonjustin> It stores the metadata separately, right?
[04:46] <superm1> videos directory: no
[04:53] <tazgodx_> can you symlink a whole folder like that? or just file by file? and what is the link thru samba? "smb://ip"?
[04:53] <superm1> you can remove the folder and in its place put a symlink to a folder
[04:54] <superm1> if you are using nautilus it would be like that smb://machine_name
[04:55] <tazgodx_> hmm, this peaks my interest :) so in terminal is it the same link?
[05:50] <jargonjustin> Not a chance anyone here would have suggestions for troubleshooting an ethernet card Ubuntu's not picking up?  It worked under Debian Etch, but it's not showing up under ifconfig and I'm not sure what to look for under lsmod
[05:54] <JThundley> maybe boot to knoppix or what have you, write down the modules it uses
[05:54] <JThundley> manually modprobe it when you boot back to myth, or mess with different kernels
[05:55] <jargonjustin> JTundley, so use knoppix, see if it autodetects then compare it's lsmods to Myths, using modprobe to explore the differences?
[05:56] <JThundley> modprobe is for inserting modules, like insmod but better
[05:56] <JThundley> but basically yeah, maybe mythbuntu isn't autodetecting for some reason
[05:57] <jargonjustin> Okay, thanks.
[06:08] <CCB0x45> superm1 you around?
[06:08] <superm1> only briefly
[06:08] <CCB0x45> you know any good resource for how to set up 2 lirc devices/
[06:08] <CCB0x45> ?
[06:08] <superm1> Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[06:08] <CCB0x45> I really want to get lirc_imon working with lirc_pvr150
[06:08] <superm1> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[06:08] <CCB0x45> that shows how to do 2?
[06:08] <CCB0x45> ok
[06:09] <CCB0x45> thanks
[06:09] <superm1> it walks you through setting up 1
[06:09] <superm1> and then adding another
[06:09] <CCB0x45> oh and also for some reason when ubuntu starts
[06:09] <CCB0x45> one is already set up
[06:09] <CCB0x45> I just need to add the other
[06:09] <CCB0x45> the other thing is
[06:09] <CCB0x45> when ubuntu starts
[06:09] <CCB0x45> mythbackend wont start cause it says it has the wrong sql password
[06:09] <CCB0x45> but when I just start it with sudo
[06:09] <CCB0x45> it starts fine
[06:10] <CCB0x45> like sudo mythbackend
[06:10] <superm1> rm /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ -rf
[06:10] <superm1> and try to restart it via /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[06:10] <CCB0x45> ok cool
[06:10] <CCB0x45> thanks
[06:11] <CCB0x45> my wireless card started working for no reason
[06:11] <CCB0x45> I was so stoked
[06:33] <jargonjustin> For a U.S. cable input, should I use us-cable or us-bcast for the channel frequency?
[06:34] <superm1> us-cable
[06:37] <jargonjustin> Okay, setting up the capture card I want to use the MPEG2 interface (WinTV-Go, which I _think_ is like a PVR-x50), but doing so causes it to "fail to probe."    Will this cause any problems?
[06:37] <superm1> the wintv-go has an mpeg encoder?
[06:37] <superm1> you sure about that?
[06:37] <superm1> i'm thinking ti doesn't
[06:38] <CCB0x45> anyone ever set up an xbox 360 wireless controller with ubuntu?
[06:38] <jargonjustin> Oh? Maybe not then…
[06:38] <jargonjustin> In that case I want to use Analog V4L?
[06:38] <superm1> probably
[06:40] <CCB0x45> hey superm1
[06:40] <CCB0x45> before when I was setting up my blaster, it was conflicting with lirc_imon
[06:40] <CCB0x45> and you told me to black list imon
[06:40] <CCB0x45> and I did
[06:40] <CCB0x45> and now im setting up two devices
[06:40] <CCB0x45> and did the steps on ubuntu
[06:40] <CCB0x45> should I unblacklist it?
[06:41] <CCB0x45> or keep it blacklisted so it doesnt load automatically
[06:41] <CCB0x45> and lirc will load it from the init?
[06:41] <superm1> yea
[06:41] <superm1> unblacklist it i would say
[06:41] <superm1> otherwise it wont be able to load?
[06:42] <superm1> you may have to toy around though to figure out which one is loading first
[06:42] <superm1> and which should be your primary device etc
[06:42] <CCB0x45> the primary device should be the pvr150
[06:43] <CCB0x45> all im using the second device for is the VFD
[06:43] <CCB0x45> the first device is my remote and blaster
[06:43] <CCB0x45> do I need to edit any stuff in mythtv to make this work?
[06:44] <jargonjustin> I don't think SchedulesDirect is sending me channel information correctly, any way to verify this?
[06:44] <superm1> CCB0x45, shouldn't need to if you keep it that way
[06:44] <superm1> but you will have to play with blacklisting i think if imon still loads
[06:44] <superm1> you'll really have to see
[06:44] <superm1> jargonjustin, you need to bind your line up to your tuner card
[06:44] <superm1> so if you haven't done that
[06:45] <superm1> you won't get any data
[06:45] <jargonjustin> superm1: Via the schedules direct website?
[06:45] <superm1> no
[06:45] <superm1> in mythtv-setup
[06:45] <superm1> you need things setup in schedules direct for your location
[06:45] <superm1> but in mythtvsetup
[06:45] <superm1> when you choose it
[06:45] <superm1> it needs to be associated with the card
[06:45] <superm1> its all in the pdf
[06:45] <jargonjustin> Oh, okay!  Thanks
[06:46] <CCB0x45> superm1
[06:46] <CCB0x45> ok well my blaster still works
[06:46] <CCB0x45> but now it doesnt get my remote
[06:46] <CCB0x45> when I dmesg | grep lirc I get this
[06:46] <CCB0x45> http://pastebin.com/m72aa593a
[06:47] <superm1> yeah looks fine
[06:47] <CCB0x45> except my remote which was working
[06:47] <superm1> if you are restarting lircd, you know you have to restart myth still too
[06:47] <CCB0x45> stopped
[06:47] <CCB0x45> ahh
[06:47] <CCB0x45> mythbackend or front?
[06:48] <superm1> front
[06:48] <CCB0x45> lol
[06:48] <CCB0x45> you are right
[06:48] <CCB0x45> sweet
[06:48] <CCB0x45> remote works and blaster
[06:49] <CCB0x45> and it looks like imon is loaded on the second instance
[06:49] <superm1> make sure that is the same after reboot
[06:49] <superm1> it might swap
[06:49] <CCB0x45> yea
[06:49] <CCB0x45> I will
[06:49] <CCB0x45> I dont plan on rebooting this thing much
[06:49] <CCB0x45> especially since I control it remotely usually
[06:50] <CCB0x45> and my stupid motherboard needs a keyboard plugged in to boot
[06:50] <CCB0x45> so annoying
[06:50] <bionight_> hi has anyone had problem with key repeat on Gutsy?
[06:54] <CCB0x45> I see key repeat act annoying
[06:54] <CCB0x45> only over vnc
[06:54] <CCB0x45> it sometimes types like 50 of the same character
[06:55] <bionight_> yeah 7.10 is the first and I've run from 6.4 till now never a prob before
[06:56] <superm1> bionight_, you can tweak your lirc
[06:56] <superm1> bionight_, you can tweak your lircrc
[06:56] <superm1> to adjust the repeat value listed in it
[06:56] <CCB0x45> superm1
[06:56] <CCB0x45> so it says to test this
[06:56] <CCB0x45> load lirc_imon
[06:57] <CCB0x45> and do an echo "Whatever" > /dev/lcd0
[06:57] <CCB0x45> but it gives me permission denied
[06:57] <CCB0x45> even with sudo
[06:57] <superm1> that's because of the way that sudo works with pipes
[06:57] <superm1> you will need to do a sudo -s first
[06:57] <bionight_> superm1 I mean in any app
[06:57] <CCB0x45> superm1 you are always right
[06:57] <CCB0x45> you know everything
[06:57] <CCB0x45> works!!
[06:58] <CCB0x45> my lcd works!
[06:58] <superm1> neat :)
[06:59] <bionight_> superm1 do you have any ideas I havent loaded any really tweaked out progs yet
[06:59] <superm1> bionight_, not really.
[07:00] <bionight_> superm1 I just wondered if you have heard anyone else with that prob
[07:01] <CCB0x45> every peice of hardware works perfectly now, and mythtv records perfectly, and I can stream live tv, and torrentflux works, and I have all my media on there
[07:01] <CCB0x45> its done
[07:02] <CCB0x45> and its awesome
[07:02] <CCB0x45> in perfect 720p
[07:02] <superm1> you got streaming working
[07:02] <superm1> in mythstreamtv?
[07:02] <CCB0x45> oh no haha
[07:02] <CCB0x45> I was using the gui
[07:02] <CCB0x45> thats next for me
[07:02] <superm1> o ok
[07:02] <CCB0x45> is getting mythstreamtv fixed
[07:02] <CCB0x45> I gave up last night
[07:02] <superm1> well get some howtos dont on the forums for stuff you did here :)
[07:02] <superm1> er onto
[07:02] <superm1> not dont
[07:03] <CCB0x45> yea im going to write some up tomorrow
[07:03] <CCB0x45> its a slow time at work
[07:05] <bionight_> superm1 thnx for your thoughts...
[07:06] <superm1> sorry couldnt be too helpful
[07:07] <bionight_> superm1 you were, it is my system if noone else has it
[07:09] <CCB0x45> does .lircrc just append to lircd.conf?
[07:09] <superm1> no
[07:09] <superm1> it maps
[07:09] <CCB0x45> ah
[07:09] <CCB0x45> whoops
[07:34] <jargonjustin> The control center won't allow me to install the w32codecs or libdvdcss, do I need to add a particular repository?
[07:41] <jargonjustin> Nevermind, apt-get update fixed it
[07:45] <jargonjustin> Attempting to install w32codecs via the Control Center causes it to crash, can I install them via apt-get or does the control center do anything special?
[07:56] <CCB0x45> jargon I doubt it does
[07:56] <CCB0x45> maybe adds it to mythtv
[08:17] <jargonjustin> Would it cause problems if I symlinked /var/www to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb directly instead of needing the /mythweb path in the URL?
[08:20] <jargonjustin> Hmm, well trying it broke mythweb, so I guess not :-/
[09:25] <directhex> [directhex@newred htdocs]$ cat index.php
[09:25] <directhex> <?php header( 'Location: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/' ) ;?>
[09:25] <directhex> jargonjustin, use something like the above
[09:26] <jargonjustin> directhex: That'll work, I couldn't seem to get a .htaccess Redirect to work
[09:26] <jargonjustin> Thanks
[10:58] <MythbuntuGuest60> awake/
[12:24] <selinuxium> Daviey: Didn't know mythbuntu had it's own channel!
[13:38] <selinuxium> hi all, anyone about?
[14:13] <selinuxium> hi jono, how is jokosher going?
[14:42] <Seeker`> What is the support like for a Hauppauge HVR-1300?
[14:43] <directhex|work> digital or analog?
[14:43] <Seeker`> directhex|work: doesn't it do both?
[14:44] <directhex|work> it works in linuxtv svn, but the mpeg encoder is still a WIP (i.e. it behaves like a framegrabber currently, not an mpeg encoder)
[14:44] <directhex|work> digital is fine
[14:44] <directhex|work> http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=changeset;node=3e90edbf7c53584f109fe091d7380e8bda9fa282;style=gitweb
[16:22] <MythbuntuGuest56> anyone run mythbuntu with only a hdhomerun as a tuner?  i'm having a backend startup timing issue with it
[16:23] <superm1> look on the forums
[16:23] <superm1> there is a post about network manager
[16:25] <MythbuntuGuest56> ah, got it.  thank you
[16:30] <MythbuntuGuest56> another question about the weekly trunk build, if anyone knows anything about it.  when I moved to mythbuntu, I did a database dump/restore of my programs from my previous install.  i was running trunk there, and the database schema doesn't match with the 20.1 in the default install.  after installing the weekly trunk build, i got it imported successfully, but now I am stuck with MythVideo and MythDVD being blocking to each other (only
[16:34] <superm1> mythdvd is merged into mythvideo
[16:34] <superm1> in trunk
[16:38] <MythbuntuGuest56> ah, that would explain it.  ok, makes sense - i'll install mythvideo then and give it a try later on
[16:38] <MythbuntuGuest56> thanks
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> Odd. I got an .ogm file that vlc/xine/mythtv all play under linux but with garbled video (sound is good) avidemux can play it, and convert it.  .. windows vlc seems to play it fine..
[16:39] <MythbuntuGuest56> btw, kudos to all the people that worked on mythbuntu - it's very nice.  I've been using myth since 0.11? i think, and this has been the easiest setup yet for me.  great job, and keep up the good work
[16:39] <Dr_Willis> am i missing somthing.. obvious here.. :) or is it perhaps some odd codec. it looks like its xvid
[16:41] <directhex|work> Dr_Willis, nvidia graphics?
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> directhex|work yes.
[16:41] <directhex|work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/151122
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> ive not tried it yet on my other linux/nvidia box..  - copying them over to the  ati laptop right now to see
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> directhex|work cool. ill check it out.
[16:42] <Dr_Willis> ive not had any other issues with videos except these :) so far.. at least. heh
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> well bbl thanks for the info
[16:51] <DANONURA> what version of ubuntu works best with myth?
[17:13] <rhpot1991> DANONURA I'd use gutsy, has mythbuntu control centre in apt
[17:14] <rhpot1991> also the latest packages and all
[17:15] <DANONURA> ok thanks
[17:16] <DANONURA> i,ve got 2 hard drives 1 with windows xp. the other pretty much empty
[17:17] <DANONURA> can i boot empty hd using a cd iso of gutsy
[17:20] <DANONURA> or do i install gutsy on the 2nd hd
[17:54] <DANONURA> Dr_willis: sorry i was away
[17:55] <Dr_willis> You were in #ubuntu :) i saw you! :)
[17:55] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[17:55] <DANONURA> lol
[17:56] <DANONURA> i wondered if i should install ubuntu to the empty drive?
[17:56] <Dr_willis> Weirdness. i got an ogm file that has currupted video on this box with a 6800 nvidia card.. but it plays fine on the 8800 nvidia machine upstairs.
[17:57] <DANONURA> or is it good enough to boot from live cd
[17:58] <Dr_willis> depends on wha tyou want to do....
[17:58] <Dr_willis> Do you want an installed OS? or just a live cd to do a few tasks with....
[17:59] <Dr_willis> a HD install will be faster.. and you will be able to tweak your video card/otehr things...
[18:10] <DANONURA> hd install if i can still boot into windows. i guess by pressing f1 at startup
[18:40] <rhpot1991> DANONURA you can set up grub to automagically boot windows if you don't choose anything
[18:59] <jargonjustin> I'm having trouble getting my remote control to work.  I have a Hauppauge WinTV-Go and setup the remote using the control center.  Running mode2 or irw and pressing buttons doesn't produce any output.
[19:42] <rhpot1991> is WinTV-Go supported?
[19:47] <rhpot1991> seems that it is
[19:55] <claybo> Hey everyone.  I enabled nfs on my Mythbuntu machine, but I can't connect to it from my OS X machine.  I read that you need to put the "insecure" tag into /etc/exports and the share you want which I did, but it still won't connect.  It just times out trying to connect.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
[20:24] <jargonjustin> rhpot1991, it should be, the tuner works and others report that the remote works (there's stock configuration files for it as well)
[20:25] <claybo> As  an addition to my nfs question: running tail -f /var/log/daemon.log, I can see that nfs has "authenticated mount request from <IP_ADDRESS>:888 for xxx", but I still get "not responding" errors on the client side.
[22:23] <RealNitro_> hi all
[22:24] <RealNitro_> I'm trying to get my fresh mythbuntu system to work
[22:24] <solarbaby> I love a good fresh Mythbuntu system
[22:25] <RealNitro_> can somebody tell me how I can check if my tv-card is working properly
[22:25] <RealNitro_> solarbaby: I love a good fresh, working, Mythbuntu system :p
[22:25] <solarbaby> after I installed Mythbuntu for the first time I tried to record something from Television..  so providing your cables are all hooked up right..  try to watch live tv.. thats the first thing that works
[22:26] <RealNitro_> that's the problem
[22:26] <RealNitro_> live tv doesn't work
[22:26] <tgm4883> RealNitro_, what card?
[22:26] <solarbaby> recording something from Television didn't work out of the box..  it was dissapointing.. the reason it didn't record when it said it would was because I didn't have amy TV Tuner INFRA Red device script working
[22:26] <RealNitro_> pinnacle pctv pro
[22:27] <RealNitro_> there is a /dev/video0
[22:27] <RealNitro_> and it outputs rubbish when I 'cat' it
[22:27] <solarbaby> tgm4883: I never really seem to ask the right questions do I?
[22:27] <RealNitro_> :D
[22:28] <solarbaby> RealNitro_: Hauppage cards work out of the box..  very nice
[22:29] <RealNitro_> solarbaby: unfortunately, I bought a pinnacle card :) (I wish I didn't though...)
[22:31] <tgm4883> RealNitro_, looks like you need firmware
[22:31] <RealNitro_> firmware?
[22:31] <RealNitro_> I have the card running fine on a Gentoo Linux system
[22:31] <RealNitro_> But I want to switch to Ubuntu/Mythbuntu
[22:32] <tgm4883> this is a pci card?
[22:33] <RealNitro_> tgm4883: it is
[22:34] <tgm4883> superm1, any quick thoughts on a pinacle pctv pro before i do mounds of research?
[22:34] <solarbaby> RealNitro_: I feel the same way about my Plextor 402u
[22:34] <solarbaby> tgm4883: mounds of research..  your such a nice guy
[22:35] <RealNitro_> tgm4883: is there an easy way to check if the card works
[22:35] <tgm4883> and when i say superm1, i mean superm1__
[22:35] <superm1__> you super you dont mean superm1_?
[22:35] <RealNitro_> it could be a mythtv-config issue...
[22:35] <superm1__> there are 3 of me right now :)
[22:35] <solarbaby> I just wanna call you Super Man sometimes
[22:35] <superm1__> tgm4883, i know nothing of the that device
[22:36] <tgm4883> me neither, but it looks to use the bttv module
[22:36] <superm1__> solarbaby, look at MitoTrain's howto
[22:36] <superm1__> solarbaby, explains how to set the thing up
[22:36] <solarbaby> superm1__: certainly!  thanks for the recommendation
[22:36] <superm1__> gl
[22:42] <Brandenatwork> where could i download the 7.04 version of mythbuntu
[22:42] <tgm4883> Brandenatwork, there isn't one
[22:42] <superm1__> Brandenatwork, there isn't one.
[22:42] <tgm4883> yes!!!
[22:43] <tgm4883> 1 poing for tgm4883
[22:43] <superm1__> haha
[22:43] <tgm4883> s/poing/point
[22:43] <superm1__> its all about the lag
[22:43] <superm1__> and my using a full sentance
[22:43] <superm1__> it i didn't i would have been first :0
[22:43] <tgm4883> lol
[22:43] <tgm4883> full sentances are for nerds
[22:43] <tgm4883>      ^^^^ spelling is too
[22:43] <Brandenatwork> well, does 7.10 include the codecs for wmv, and mpeg 2.  I dont have internet access at home.
[22:44] <superm1__> Brandenatwork, there are no regressions from 7.04 ubuntu+mythtv -> 7.10 mythbuntu
[22:44] <superm1__> Brandenatwork, all of those things should be playable
[22:44] <tgm4883> with ^^^ being said, wmv would require either w32codecs or w64codecs no?
[22:45] <RealNitro_> hmm, there seem to be some issues relating video playback on my system atm
[22:45] <superm1__> tgm4883, no not really.
[22:45] <superm1__> tgm4883, there is native support for those
[22:45] <Brandenatwork> superm1_: well i have the 7.04 repo on my computer at home.  So I would probably just be able to grab the codecs from there correct?
[22:45] <tgm4883> ah
[22:45] <superm1__> but you can use the w32codecs if you wanted to
[22:45] <superm1__> instead
[22:46] <tgm4883> RealNitro_, like no video from your tuner?
[22:46] <RealNitro_> tgm4883: like no video at all
[22:46] <superm1__> Brandenatwork, i dont know what codec package you are referring to
[22:46] <RealNitro_> problems with the video out device
[22:46] <superm1__> if you are meaning w32codecs, you can get the deb from tons of places
[22:46] <RealNitro_> totem crashes
[22:46] <tgm4883> RealNitro_, error messages?
[22:46] <RealNitro_> I think the fglrx drivers are to blame
[22:47] <Brandenatwork> superm1__
[22:47]  * tgm4883 vomits all over the ati drivers
[22:47] <tgm4883> could be
[22:47] <tgm4883> are they up to date?
[22:47] <Brandenatwork> superm1__: well if there is native support for those, then i will fine.  So stuff like x264 I imagine is supported as well as xvid
[22:47] <RealNitro_> mplayer says: "error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[22:48] <RealNitro_> my system is up to date(
[22:48] <superm1__> Brandenatwork, yeah
[22:49] <Brandenatwork> awesome thanks for the help
[22:50] <RealNitro_> hmm, I think I know what's wrong
[22:50] <RealNitro_> I'll switch back to the radeon driver
[22:51] <RealNitro_> I need to restart
[22:51] <RealNitro_> brb
[22:55] <RealNitro> ib :)
[22:55] <RealNitro> and tvtime is showing me some sweet tv :)
[22:59] <RealNitro> with sound
[23:01] <RealNitro> now for mythtv :)
[23:03] <RealNitro> I run the "Mythtv backend setup", but I don't know what to do with the "Video sources"
[23:05] <solarbaby> superm1__: I must admit, that howto is not easy to find..  infact.. its still a mystery of where to find it
[23:05] <superm1__> solarbaby, i dont know where it is off hand
[23:06] <solarbaby> superm1__: I can imagine :)
[23:07] <tgm4883> RealNitro, well video sources would give you your channel data, and depending on where you live, there are a few different ways to get it
[23:08] <RealNitro> tgm4883: k
[23:08] <RealNitro> I used to run this box without a network connection
[23:08] <RealNitro> I'm adding a video source atm
[23:08] <RealNitro> fingers crossed :)
[23:08] <tgm4883> so where do you live?
[23:10] <RealNitro> tgm4883: Belgium
[23:10] <tgm4883> ah
[23:10] <RealNitro> channels are being detected now
[23:12] <RealNitro> the name "Video source" is quite confusing
[23:13] <RealNitro> I'm guessing a lot of people have problems figuring out what it stands for
[23:13] <RealNitro> or maybe I'm just weird :p
[23:50] <MythbuntuGuest00> hello
[23:51] <MythbuntuGuest00> can someone answer a question?
[23:51] <tgm4883> yes
[23:52] <MythbuntuGuest00> is there a way to enter a weather location in mythweather manually? my location is not in the list of cities to choose from.
[23:52]  * foxbuntu thinks its not tgm4883
[23:52] <MythbuntuGuest00> it is CAXX0670 (mount forets, canada)
[23:52] <MythbuntuGuest00> sorry, Mount Forest, Canada
[23:52] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest00, no you can't do that
[23:52] <tgm4883> sorry MythbuntuGuest00 you already asked your 1 question for today
[23:53] <tgm4883> due to heavy development in Hardy, we only allow 1 question per day
[23:53] <tgm4883> please try again later
[23:53] <MythbuntuGuest00> ok. thanks for the help. Great release BTW. Was using Mythdora, but mythbuntu is nicer
[23:53] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest00, thanks!
[23:54] <foxbuntu> Check back later on, dev is back in full swing for Hardy
[23:54] <MythbuntuGuest00> thanks foxbuntu, appreciate the help
[23:54] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest00, NP
[23:54] <MythbuntuGuest00> thx
[23:57] <RealNitro_> trying to watch tv in mythtv = black screen of death


[05:09] <Unit193> ochosi: Uh, never bumped the artwork for 16.10? :)
[06:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...Trust your ability to edit xml correctly all the time?  If not, we can add  find -name *.xml | xargs xmllint --noout  to the build rules for x-d-s...
[09:10] <nairwolf> hi flocculant, I've read logs from yesterday
[09:10] <nairwolf> something doesn't work if you install with another langage than English ?
[10:35] <akxwi-dave> i've set todays 386 iso for a rebuild... only yesterdays on the the tracker.. looks like loads if errors on thoday build log.
[17:48] <flocculant> nairwolf: false alarm
[18:04] <nairwolf> oh, that's great ;)
[19:34] <Unit193> mugshot 0.3.1-1 uploaded by Jackson...
[19:37] <nairwolf> Unit193: where do you see that ?
[19:37] <Unit193> nairwolf: That's in Debian, you can tell by the version.
[19:37] <Unit193> !info mugshot yakkety
[19:38] <nairwolf> ah, okay ;)
[19:39] <Unit193> But, we're interested, I think.  Nobody told me otherwise.
[19:39] <nairwolf> I have, now, two questions : 1. Do you watch regurly debian package ? Is it a good practice ? 2. How are you able to say, it's a different version from the version on yakkety 0.3.1-0ubuntu1
[19:39] <nairwolf> I understand that the first three numbers are specific to the software 0.3.1
[19:39] <nairwolf> and -1 is for Debian, and 0ubuntu1 for Ubuntu
[19:40] <nairwolf> I'm not really familiar with Debian, should am I ?
[19:40] <nairwolf> (in order to help better for Xubuntu, and being more aware of what's going on)
[19:42] <Unit193> I don't see all packages uploaded or bugs opened/closed, but certainly a lot.
[19:44] <nairwolf> okay, okay ;)
[19:45] <nairwolf> I'm just seeing that : https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mugshot&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[19:47] <nairwolf> I should take a look on Debian
[19:48] <Unit193> I'm not sure what answer you're looking for.
[19:49] <nairwolf> Could you give me the link where you see mugshot updated ?
[19:49] <nairwolf> I'm looking for that, please
[19:50] <Unit193> Uhh, https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mugshot/news/20160904T193225Z.html ?
[19:59] <nairwolf> hum, ok ;)
[19:59] <nairwolf> thank you ;)
[20:01] <nairwolf> I should read source code of python package used on xubuntu
[20:35] <Unit193> ochosi: terminal PPA'd in staging.


[09:30] <bobbicat> I encountered a bug on kubuntu ermine can I report it here?
[09:31] <bobbicat> or if not how do i report?
[09:40] <bobbicat>  I encountered a bug on kubuntu ermine can I report it here?
[09:40] <bobbicat> or if not how do i report?
[10:01] <RikMills> bobbicat: run in a terminal 'ubuntu-bug package' where package is the name of the package that has the bug
[10:03] <tomreyn> !bug
[10:08] <bobbicat> thanks guys
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> !final | evng
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> does that answer your question evng?
[11:16] <evng> lotuspsychje: sorry had to go afk, so yes, thats what I wanted to know. Where i cant find the latest (daily?) iso of 19.10 ?
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> evng: currently the RC iso's are out, see the url in our topic
[11:17] <guiverc> evng, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/404/builds  (navigate to flavor wanted..)
[11:19] <evng> thank you


[00:02] <Torikun> If your interested doing  tech support for Symantec's Linux clustering software in Mountian View, hit me up.


[04:22]  * shtylman note to self...removing /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is BAD!
[04:53] <shtylman> rgreening: how goes the usb installer?
[04:54] <rgreening> ok.
[04:54] <rgreening> KDE FE is done...
[04:54] <rgreening> evand is re-writing the BE
[04:54] <rgreening> to support devicekit-disks... so waiting on that.
[04:54] <shtylman> cool
[13:45] <cipcie> Hello I would like same information about wubi. Witch type file system use wubi? Ext3 or NTFS or AuFS?
[13:48] <cipcie> Anyone can help me?
[13:51] <shtylman> cjwatson: I have accidentally changed the language in my test virtual machine, is there a way I can change it back without re-installing?
[13:52] <shtylman> cjwatson: specifically the language it uses in console...
[17:51] <evand> cipcie: Wubi writes an ext3 filesystem into a file on an NTFS filesystem.
[17:52] <cipcie> evand: tanks a lot,
[20:47] <cjwatson> shtylman: fiddle with /etc/default/locale, and maybe /etc/environment and /etc/default/gdm
[20:50] <shtylman> cjwatson: I ended up doing a reconfigure on console-setup :) ... couldn't fiddle with anything as typing was in a different language...
[20:50] <shtylman> it was a very amusing problem to solve...
[20:51] <cjwatson> oh, that's not language then, that's keyboard layout
[20:51] <shtylman> right... sorry I might have miss-spoke
[21:02] <shtylman> cjwatson: also, installer unrelated... but related to foundations: bug #398059
[21:02] <shtylman> heard anyone else complain about it?
[21:02] <shtylman> I havn't been able to boot into any of the -31 kernels because of it
[21:03] <shtylman> asked in #ubuntu-kernel a few times...no response, so I don't know if it is very specific or whatnot
[21:11] <cjwatson> first I've heard of it, sorry - have to put the children to bed now so it's not really a good time to investigate :)
[21:11] <shtylman> cjwatson: no prob...enjoy that task :)


[03:16] <guiverc> Bashing-om, possible word change required, ubuntu-frame/mir in hub.. "request to help test them is requested" ; 2x request, maybe change to "request to help test them is made"
[03:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - looking :D
[03:23]  * guiverc still reading
[03:30] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edit(s) :D
[03:31] <guiverc> just finishing/ed my read thru, that was all I saw
[03:31] <Bashing-om> \o/
[03:31] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om , looks good
[03:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: we done good :D
[03:36] <guiverc> :)
[08:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical at Embedded World 2022 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-embedded-world-2022
[08:26] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Embedded Linux development on Ubuntu – Part III @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/embedded-linux-development-iii
[19:14] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - no further edits are known - Time to push 20:00 UTC.
[19:24] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 22.10 Has a New Default Text Editor @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/ubuntu-22-10-new-text-editor (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Scrivano is a New App to Take Handwritten Notes on Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/scrivano-note-handwritten-notes-app-linux (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:54] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 22.10 Ditches Gedit for New Text Editor @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/ubuntu-22-10-new-text-editor (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - Doing the Forum post next.
[20:20] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done -- Re-directs next.
[20:31] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - Pending now is release to the Social Medias :D
[21:42]  * Bashing-om away from the keyboard for a bit.
[22:20] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Firefox 101 Released with Only Minor Changes @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/05/firefox-100-released-woo-hoo (by Joey Sneddon)
[23:05] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/05/30/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-737/
[23:06] <guiverc> changed one link..
[23:07] <guiverc> tweeted 737 & posted to telegram
[23:27] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 737 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/05/30/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-737/
[23:28] <Bashing-om> Back to the keyboard - checking Fridge posting.
[23:31] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check - checks good.
[23:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to wipe Gdoc ?
[23:32] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om :)  , I had an extra tab of wiki open and was worried it was a tab that didn't open correctly; but I couldn't find it... (I'd probably opened it before fridge & forgot)
[23:32] <guiverc> yep clear away
[23:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Doing the wipe thing :D
[23:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue738 off to a rarring start.


[08:36] <Cimi> Saviq, before you needfix me
[08:37] <Cimi> Saviq, in the infographics, I need to get the user id
[08:37] <Cimi> uid
[08:38] <Cimi> so I did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420297/
[08:39] <Cimi> is not super nice as using a model role, otherwise we have to patch lightdm
[08:49] <dednick> anyone know how to set the display to "always on" on device? can't seem to get powerd-cli to do it...
[08:58] <mhr3> dednick, you get something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4
[08:58] <mhr3> but instead it just taps on your phone regularly
[08:59] <dednick> mhr3: lol
[09:06] <Saviq> Cimi, better let's patch lightdm
[09:06] <Cimi> ahahahahahha
[09:06] <Cimi> I know it!!!
[09:06] <Saviq> Cimi, especially since we only use a local copy of the LightDM plugin still ;)
[09:06] <Cimi> Saviq, but we need to patch real lightdm
[09:06] <Saviq> Cimi, until the split greeter
[09:06] <Saviq> Cimi, sure, I know, let's
[09:07] <seb128> Saviq, hey
[09:07] <seb128> Saviq, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity8-desktop-iso just as fyi
[09:07] <Saviq> "by 16.04", not "for 16.04" ;)
[09:08] <Saviq> subscribed
[09:13] <Saviq> dednick, "sync item progress" is different than "transfer" is it?
[09:16] <dednick> Saviq: hmm. not sure exactly. I know there is an "indicator-sync"
[09:16] <dednick> Saviq: https://launchpad.net/indicator-sync
[09:16] <dednick> and an https://launchpad.net/indicator-transfer
[09:16] <Saviq> dednick, ok, I'll leave it be then
[09:16] <dednick> Saviq: but the sync one is pretty old.
[09:17] <Saviq> dednick, kk
[09:17] <dednick> so they may have been merged
[09:17] <Saviq> dednick, I'll leave it be then, we'll adapt when we know more
[09:17] <dednick> ok
[09:19] <seb128> Saviq, "by" indeed, thanks ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> (fixed)
[09:30] <Saviq> Cimi, we're to tell Loïc what are our biggest beefs with the shape, apparently the new implementation is too far off still...
[09:30] <Cimi> Saviq, far off?
[09:31] <Cimi> Saviq, like we're not getting things?
[09:31] <Saviq> Cimi, incomplete still
[09:31] <Cimi> Saviq, what are we getting?
[09:31] <Saviq> Cimi, we need to list things we need to see what can be backported
[09:31] <Cimi> I talked to kevin
[09:31] <Cimi> hold on, logs
[09:31] <Saviq> Cimi, I know about:
[09:32] <Cimi> 1) ability to add any item inside and let ubuntushape clip it
[09:32] <Cimi> 2) enable/disable inner shadows and border
[09:32] <Cimi> 3) add external shado
[09:32] <Cimi> 4) peformance improvements and caching
[09:32] <Saviq> overlay support
[09:32] <Cimi> Saviq, overlay support should fall into 1
[09:32] <Saviq> Cimi, 1) is possible via a ShaderEffectSource
[09:33] <Saviq> Cimi, we're actually using it here and there
[09:33] <Saviq> ;)
[09:33] <Cimi> Saviq, yes
[09:34] <Cimi> Saviq, in Components
[09:34] <Saviq> now that I think of it, we should use it more
[09:34] <Cimi> Saviq, but we want it integrated
[09:34] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah sure, but I don't think that's a prio then, since there's a workaround
[09:34] <Cimi> Saviq, so 2 and 3 though
[09:34] <Cimi> Saviq, or more generally, ability to change border source
[09:35] <Cimi> sometyhing like that
[09:35] <Saviq> Cimi, don't we have that already?
[09:35] <Saviq> Cimi, borderSource?
[09:35] <Cimi> having always the inner shadow sucks
[09:35] <Cimi> Saviq, we had
[09:35] <Cimi> Saviq, now doesn't work anymore iirc
[09:35] <Cimi> since a year or a bit less
[09:37] <Saviq> Cimi, think it's still working, we use it in launcher and running tile
[09:37] <Cimi> Saviq, where?
[09:37] <Saviq> Cimi, grep for borderSource
[09:38] <Cimi> Saviq, those refers to prefixed border sources in the sdk
[09:39] <Cimi> Saviq, you cannot set to null
[09:39] <Cimi> or anything you like
[09:39] <Saviq> Cimi, well, it's set to "none" in LauncherDelegate, but sure, we can't override
[09:40] <Cimi> Saviq, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420521/
[09:41] <Cimi> Saviq, I wrote that code
[09:41] <Cimi> in launcherdelegate :)
[09:42] <Cimi> Saviq, I remember when I did borderSource: "CimiDoesntWantBorder"
[09:42] <Cimi> someone needsfix that :D
[09:43] <Cimi> maybe I can use it for the carousel... let's see
[09:52] <greyback> any volunteers? https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity-mir/fix-upstart-closed-apps2/+merge/218721
[09:53] <greyback> for functional testing at the least
[10:02] <Saviq> greyback, I'll take it
[10:02] <greyback> Saviq: thanks
[10:25] <Cimi> Saviq, came up with something like that for lightdm http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420699/
[10:26] <Cimi> Saviq, how to I cast from a uid_t to guint64 in qt? is my approach correct?
[10:26] <Cimi> +            user.uid = (quint64)lightdm_user_get_uid(ldmUser);
[10:27] <Saviq> Cimi, looks legit
[10:27] <Cimi> ok
[10:27] <Saviq> Cimi, although mterry will obviously be better to review
[10:28] <Saviq> Cimi, is there nowhere you can get the uid from lightdm instead of getpwnam?
[10:28] <Cimi> Saviq, that is a mistake
[10:28] <Cimi> Saviq, that function is not called
[10:29] <Cimi> I am using lightdm for the model
[10:29] <Cimi> indeed
[10:29] <Saviq> Cimi, right
[10:29] <Cimi> I discovered lightdm already stored the uid
[10:29] <Cimi> after I added the function
[10:29] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, looks legit, MP please and get mterry to review
[10:30] <Cimi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7420719/
[10:30] <Cimi> ok
[10:30] <Cimi> I'll wait a jenkins build
[10:32] <seb128> Saviq, just saw https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-suru-icon-switch
[10:32] <seb128> Saviq, I've https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/use-theme-icons/+merge/214950 up but it's blocked on your uitk change to land
[10:32] <seb128> Saviq, just as a fyi
[10:33] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ (since you have the W.I on that blueprint)
[10:33] <Saviq> seb128, link them?
[10:34] <seb128> Saviq, done
[10:34] <seb128> cyphermox, took over your WI as well, set it as done
[11:13] <Cimi> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-text-summary-bottom-padding/+merge/217903
[11:13] <Saviq> Cimi, yup, will do it soon
[11:18] <Cimi> pete-woods, hey, are those SVGs animated?
[11:18] <pete-woods> Cimi: nope, just boring ol SVGs
[11:18] <Saviq> Cimi, animated SVGs are security nightmare
[11:18] <Saviq> Cimi, since you need to support javascript
[11:19] <Cimi> Saviq, so why we switched to use SVG?
[11:19] <Saviq> Cimi, because we want to adapt the colours
[11:19] <Cimi> Saviq, and you can do it other ways with properties
[11:19] <Saviq> Cimi, and we switched to SVG to allow easier visualizers than QML
[11:19] <Saviq> Cimi, and again, custom QML → security nightmare
[11:20] <Cimi> Saviq, properties
[11:20] <Cimi> anyway ok
[11:20] <Saviq> Cimi, properties what?
[11:20] <Cimi> I will tell designers anymations are gone
[11:20] <Cimi> Saviq, you can expose colors
[11:20] <Cimi> Saviq, like we do with the ubuntu themes
[11:21] <Saviq> Cimi, expose them to what? to SVGs? yes, that's what we want to do
[11:22] <Saviq> Cimi, but we didn't want to run any javascript (so animated SVGs and/or QML are not good)
[11:24] <Cimi> Saviq, we could have exposed other properties from a text file
[11:24] <Cimi> or anything really
[11:24] <Cimi> and use animated qml
[11:24] <Cimi> if we want just to change colours...
[11:25] <Cimi> if we want to change shapes, it's fine
[11:26] <Saviq> Cimi, NO ANIMATED QML
[11:26] <Saviq> Cimi, security BAD
[11:26] <Saviq> Cimi, and we didn't even want animated anyway
[11:26] <Cimi> why bad?
[11:26] <Saviq> Cimi, security
[11:26] <Cimi> our shell is animated
[11:27] <Cimi> our apps are animated
[11:27] <Cimi> now is insecure?
[11:27] <Saviq> Cimi, 3rd party infographics in the shell
[11:27] <Cimi> ah 3rd party ok
[11:27] <Saviq> Cimi, and anyway they're meant to be really as non-intrusive as possible
[11:27] <Cimi> thought we were drawing the infographics
[11:27] <Saviq> Cimi, so animation is not wanted
[11:27] <Cimi> and give develelopers a couple of values to change
[11:27] <Saviq> Cimi, nope, we want them to be installable as clicks and such
[12:18] <mhr3> Saviq, seen the design on departments behaviour yet?
[12:19] <Saviq> mhr3, you mean https://sites.google.com/a/canonical.com/unity8dash/toolkit/2-navigation ?
[12:19] <Saviq> mhr3, see bottom for my comments
[12:20] <mhr3> indeed
[12:21] <mhr3> Saviq, i'm interested in that from the model pov, i'll have to expose some kind of partial lazily loaded tree
[12:21] <mhr3> the widget for that will be... interesting i guess
[12:21] <Saviq> aaaargh foooking gsites
[12:21] <Saviq> limited characters in comments... what is this, 1990s?
[12:23] <Saviq> mhr3, since any change is meant to be applied instantly (it is, isn't it?
[12:23] <Saviq> )
[12:24] <Saviq> mhr3, or maybe it isn't...
[12:25] <mhr3> Saviq, well, yes, basically the widget isn't supposed to close by itself, unless you tap a leaf dep
[12:25] <Saviq> mhr3, right, so nothing until you explicitly select a thing
[12:25] <mhr3> and at the same time we don't have the whole tree, so loading children's children requires a query
[12:26] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, sounds like lazy tree is what we need...
[12:26] <Saviq> children exposed as a ListModel
[12:26] <Saviq> FUN
[12:26] <mhr3> and did i mention that we'll be completely relying on the scope giving us proper data?
[12:26] <mhr3> kmn
[12:27] <mhr3> but well.. doable
[12:27] <Saviq> mhr3, and how do we not rely on scope giving proper data now? :0
[12:28] <mhr3> Saviq, well, this is different, we still expect stateless queries, but them having overall hierarchy
[12:29] <Saviq> mhr3, ah in that sense, yeah
[12:29] <mhr3> Saviq, anyway, i take it the widget will not be an issue :)
[12:29] <mhr3> Saviq, still, i'll need details on how you want the model(s) for it exposed
[12:29] <Saviq> mhr3, as long as you prepare the model ;)
[12:30] <Saviq> mhr3, definitely a ListModel for the results, and probably the two links separately
[12:31] <Saviq> mhr3, in a stack?
[12:32] <Saviq> so... a dynamic ListModel of department pages, filled as we descend in the hierarchy
[12:32] <Saviq> mhr3, the shell might maintain the stack, though, maybe that's better
[12:33] <Saviq> since we want to request a department page and only then push it onto the stack, to have the first items added
[12:33] <mhr3> Saviq, you mean the model always being flat and updating (clear+re-populate) when navigating?
[12:34] <Saviq> mhr3, hangout?
[12:35] <mhr3> Saviq, want to talk with pstolowski about it too, so let's do one in a bit
[12:35] <Saviq> mhr3, ok, ready when you are
[12:35] <mhr3> pstolowski, or you available now?
[12:35] <Saviq> yay diffs from gsites!!!
[12:36] <Saviq> mikenagle, you get a diff if you subscribe to a site!!!
[12:36] <mhr3> ah, he's on lunch
[12:53] <Saviq> AAARRGH
[12:53] <Saviq> it even discarded part of my reply over email
[12:53] <Saviq> like WTH
[12:54] <pstolowski> mhr3, i'm now
[12:55] <mhr3> Saviq, pstolowski, k, ho in 5?
[12:55] <Saviq> hooo!
[12:55] <pstolowski> k
[12:55] <Saviq> too much sugar... or maybe too little?
[12:57] <greyback> Saviq: take more pain kilers
[12:57] <Saviq> oh jeez this is the most half-baked comment support EVER
[12:57] <Saviq> greyback, ah, the blue pill
[12:57] <Saviq> wait
[12:57] <Saviq> that explains things
[12:57]  * Saviq looks at the bottle
[12:57] <greyback> Saviq: they're made for comments, not essays :)
[12:58] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, check that: only two-level threads, i.e. you can only reply to the top-level one
[12:59] <Saviq> top-level threads have <br/> after the name, sub-level ones don't!
[12:59] <Saviq> Mike added attachments, I even got email notifications about them, and can open them, but there's no links on the site!
[13:01] <mhr3> comments + email snippets = super easy to follow everything
[13:02] <greyback> sure, I get that, but otherwise they'd end up satisfying Zawinski's law
[13:02] <greyback> gotta draw a feature line somewhere
[13:03] <Saviq> greyback, well, in docs you can reply to sub-comments can't you?
[13:03] <Saviq> maybe it's the same, just here it suggests you can do more
[13:04]  * greyback decides not to get into this argument, goes to do something productive ;)
[13:19] <dandrader> you guys talking about comment system on launchpad merge proposals?
[13:20]  * dandrader curious
[13:48] <Cimi> mterry, ping :)
[13:49] <mterry> Cimi, hello!
[13:49] <Cimi> mterry, ciao!
[13:49] <Cimi> mterry, I did this https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/lightdm/uid-bindings/+merge/218958
[13:50] <mterry> Cimi, ah cute.  That's nice
[13:50] <mterry> Cimi, I'll let robert_ancell review it though.  He's usually master-of-lightdm
[13:50] <Cimi> mterry, my only concern is tests, I have no clue where to start
[13:51] <mterry> Cimi, lightdm tests are interesting yeah.  Are there similar tests for other propertise?
[13:51] <Cimi> not sure
[13:53] <mterry> Cimi, there are several other tests that deal with user properties (tests/scripts/user-*.conf
[13:54] <mterry> Cimi, but uid isn't something that can be changed like the other properties
[13:54] <mterry> Cimi, so testing is a little odder there
[13:54] <Cimi> that's why my concern
[13:55] <mterry> Cimi, here's what you do.
[13:57] <Cimi> who can trigger a build btw
[13:57] <mterry> Cimi, tests/src/test-qt-greeter.cpp and tests/src/test-gobjecte-greeter.c (and the python greeter if you're feeling funky) have support for LOG-USER to query a specific user property
[13:57] <Cimi> would be nice to play with a arm build
[13:58] <mterry> Cimi, so add support for the UID field.  Then add a new baby test script that queries the field
[13:58] <mterry> Cimi, then add two "runner" scripts in ./tests (you'll see all the others there) that calls your script with the gobject greeter and the qt greeter (to test both interfaces)
[13:59] <mterry> Cimi, your baby test script can look like ./tests/scripts/user-name.conf but simpler and just for UID
[13:59] <Cimi> hey hey hey
[13:59] <Cimi> one thing at a time :D
[13:59] <Cimi> it's a complete new way of writing tests for me, I need to read code first :)
[14:00] <Cimi> I'll start with reading those two files and add UID
[14:00] <mterry> Cimi, well go back and read above later  :)
[14:11] <Cimi> mterry, I don't see tests for username etc etc
[14:11] <mterry> Cimi, tests/scripts/user-name.conf
[14:13] <Cimi> mterry, uid is not tested
[14:13] <mterry> Cimi, right...  but you just added it, eh?
[14:13] <Cimi> mterry, no
[14:13] <Cimi> mterry, it was already in common etc
[14:13] <mterry> Cimi, you added the public api
[14:13] <Cimi> like gid
[14:14] <mterry> Cimi, that's what this is testing
[14:20] <Saviq> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-text-summary-bottom-padding/+merge/217903/comments/522179
[14:27] <Cimi> seb128, overlay scrollbars are so slow on my core i7 with 300$ GPU that I think it's the case to trash them
[14:28] <seb128> Cimi, you should fix them to not be slow?
[14:29] <seb128> Cimi, I'm not the one deciding, talk to Mark ;-)
[14:29] <Cimi> seb128, cannot fix a hack
[14:30] <Cimi> seb128, they will stop working on mir anyway :)
[14:30] <seb128> Cimi, write a non hack implementation then?
[14:30] <Cimi> seb128, can't
[14:30] <Cimi> seb128, they require separate windows
[14:30] <seb128> build support in Mir :p
[14:30] <Cimi> I drop them
[14:31] <Cimi> or I change design
[14:31] <Cimi> I want them internal like facebook
[14:31] <Cimi> and osx (prefer facebook impl)
[14:32] <Saviq> Cimi, that will be supported on Mir, btw ;)
[14:32] <Saviq> Cimi, separate surface of a certain type
[14:32] <Cimi> Saviq, that move and send positions back and forth in sync with the app?
[14:32] <Cimi> Saviq, workarea hints etc?
[14:33] <Cimi> it's shitload of work
[14:33] <Cimi> let's just make them internal
[14:33] <Saviq> Cimi, still doable, if done properly in the toolkit :)
[14:33] <Cimi> superfast, not hackish
[14:33] <Cimi> Saviq, i doubt
[14:47] <elopio> ping Saviq, kgunn: we need to meet to talk about testability requirements for this cycle and goals for the malta sprint.
[14:47] <elopio> can we do it next week?
[14:48] <Saviq> elopio, sure, I'm off Monday, available rest of the week
[14:48] <elopio> Saviq, kgunn: what about tuesday, 10 minutes from now?
[14:49] <kgunn> elopio use my calendar
[14:49] <Saviq> elopio, OMG Tuesday is in 10 minutes?!
[14:49] <elopio> right.
[14:49] <Saviq> elopio, and yeah, just find a slot in our calendars
[14:49] <elopio> Saviq: yes, sorry you didn't get to enjoy your free weekend :)
[14:49]  * elopio dives into google calendar.
[14:50] <Saviq> elopio, ;)
[14:55] <elopio> kgunn: wow, you have all your mornings colored in the calendar.
[14:55]  * elopio hugs kgunn.
[14:56] <elopio> I've sent the invitation for wednesday
[14:58] <Saviq> elopio, that time doesn't work for me ;|
[14:59]  * Saviq looks for a better time
[15:13] <dednick> greyback: what's the purpose of the ProcInfo class in unity-mir? why is it passed to app manager?
[15:15] <greyback> dednick: it's used to support the --desktop_file_hint hack mainly. It fetches the command line for a PID and let's us parse it
[15:16] <dednick> greyback: sure. but why is an empty one passed to the App manager?
[15:17] <dednick> greyback: does ProcInfo mean "all process info" or "a single processes info"
[15:17] <greyback> dednick: empty?
[15:17] <greyback> it's used here:    std::unique_ptr<ProcInfo::CommandLine> info = m_procInfo->commandLine(pid);
[15:19] <greyback> we set the PID for ProcInfo to fetch, then use it to parse the PID
[15:19] <dednick> greyback: yeah, i know. But why is it passed to the app manager as a parameter? the class has no context.
[15:19] <greyback> dednick: ah, for each of testing
[15:19] <greyback> ease
[15:19] <greyback> so it can be easily mocked
[15:19] <dednick> greyback: ah. ok
[15:20] <dednick> greyback: so it's supposed to identify "all process info"
[15:20] <dednick> not just a single one
[15:20] <Cimi> seb128, Saviq I think we should change designs and have scrollbars with the internal overlay
[15:21] <seb128> Cimi, that works for me, but I'm not a designer
[15:21] <Cimi> is massively easier to implement, and lot faster
[15:21] <Saviq> Cimi, you want to present that to Mark? ;)
[15:21] <Cimi> Saviq, I could, no problem
[15:21] <Saviq> Cimi, TBH I don't care much, doesn't involve my work either way ;)
[15:22] <Cimi> Saviq, neither mine
[15:22] <Saviq> Cimi, sure, but you care, I don't
[15:22] <Cimi> but will for who in mir side will have to implement this
[15:22] <Cimi> and qt side
[15:22] <Cimi> and gtk
[15:22] <Saviq> Cimi, toolkits only, Mir will support it anyway
[15:23] <Cimi> Saviq, yes but if it's internal to the window, mir needs to do 0
[15:23] <Cimi> Saviq, otherwise we need features from the server
[15:23] <Saviq> Cimi, they need to do 0 anyway, those features are planned regardless of scrollbars, so they will get implemented
[15:24] <Saviq> whether they'll be used for scrollbars or not is a completely different topic
[15:24] <Saviq> Cimi, and I believe you're overreacting, if you can have a child surface and enforce/know its position in relation to the parent surface, it's really not that difficult to do
[15:25] <Cimi> Saviq, it is not child surface
[15:25] <Saviq> Cimi, it would be in Mir
[15:25] <Cimi> Saviq, children stay within the parent dimensions
[15:25] <Saviq> Cimi, said who?
[15:25] <Cimi> Saviq, cannot float around the screen outside the parent
[15:25] <Cimi> Saviq, X
[15:25] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, and?
[15:26] <Saviq> since when do we care about what X implements?
[15:26] <Saviq> Cimi, really, please trust people that thought about this
[15:26] <Cimi> Saviq, not sure they thought about this
[15:27] <Saviq> Cimi, believe me, they did
[15:27] <Cimi> about how to implement overlay scrollbars in qt?
[15:27] <Cimi> and gtk?
[15:27] <Saviq> in Foo
[15:27] <Cimi> cool then
[15:27] <Cimi> I'll let them work on them
[15:27] <Saviq> Cimi, doesn't matter in what
[15:27] <Saviq> Cimi, what matters to Mir is making it possible
[15:28] <Saviq> in a sane way
[15:30] <Cimi> Saviq, performance will still suck though :)
[15:30] <Cimi> on scrolling
[15:30] <Saviq> Cimi, why?
[15:30] <Saviq> Cimi, what's different with overlay scrollbars?
[15:30] <Cimi> Saviq, because there is a client that waits for signals coming from the window manager/server
[15:31] <Cimi> and this is out of the rendering pipeline of the toolkit
[15:31] <Saviq> Cimi, and why does that have to suck?
[15:31] <Cimi> because it is slower than direct input
[15:31] <Cimi> if you move a mouse inside a mousearea
[15:31] <Saviq> Cimi, slower than 16ms? ;)
[15:31] <Cimi> is direct input
[15:32] <Saviq> Cimi, I really fail to see the bottleneck here, it's one real value to communicate every frame
[15:32] <Cimi> otherwise you move a window, this window is moved on the server that generates an event with how much it moved
[15:32] <Cimi> there is a callback connected in the toolkit that translates this into input
[15:33] <Saviq> Cimi, _one real value every frame_ really? bottleneck?
[15:33] <Cimi> Saviq, it is super slow here on compiz
[15:33] <Saviq> well now
[15:33] <Cimi> on my machine
[15:33] <Cimi> faster than  a 3000 retina macbook
[15:33] <Saviq> why do you translate unity+compiz+X directly to Mir?
[15:34] <Saviq> Cimi, yes, we know you have a fast notebook
[15:34] <Cimi> Saviq, cannot imagine if it is slow here
[15:34] <Cimi> how it could be on a slower hardware
[15:34] <Saviq> Cimi, good you're not writing it then
[15:34] <Saviq> end of message, sorry
[15:34] <Cimi> anyway
[15:34] <Cimi> indeed
[15:34] <Cimi> was about to say
[15:34] <Cimi> just let's try to change design so we can have something much faster
[15:35] <Saviq> Cimi, it's a broken argument
[15:35] <Saviq> Cimi, "let's change design because it's slow"
[15:35] <Saviq> Cimi, it's not inherently slow
[15:35] <Saviq> Cimi, it's slow in the current implementation, let's make the implementation better
[15:35] <Saviq> Cimi, some humility please
[15:35] <Cimi> Saviq, well I also don't like the design
[15:36] <Saviq> Cimi, so start with that, not with "it's slow on my beefy machine"
[15:36] <Saviq> Cimi, that argument won't get you anywhere
[15:36] <Cimi> I don't like it and is slow because of implementation
[15:36] <elopio> Saviq: ok, you have permissions to move it, just find a better spot.
[15:36] <Cimi> I much prefer other implementations of scrollbars
[15:36] <elopio> or we can meet with you, and then with kevin.
[15:36] <Saviq> elopio, would be easier if everyone had their work hours marked in the calendar :|
[15:38] <elopio> yeah, I've just updated mine.
[15:40] <Saviq> Cimi, sure, but that doesn't lead to "let's change design" unless "I don't like it" resonates with those responsible for design and/or unless "it's slow because of implementation" is analyzed and determined to be unfixable, which in this case I tell you it's crazy to think it will be slow in every implementation - again, it's just one real value to communicate every frame
[15:41] <Saviq> Cimi, we'd be in a much worse situation if we'd had problems to communicate that
[15:41] <Saviq> mzanetti, look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-appsplash please and comment / add anything you think important
[15:59] <sil2100> Saviq: btw.!
[16:00] <sil2100> Saviq: we noticed an unity8 crash in our smoketesting recently, could you have someone look at that by any chance? I can fill in a bug if needed, the crash can be found here for instance: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/19:20140509.1:20140506.1/7941/unity8/
[16:00] <sil2100> Saviq: (hi!)
[16:06] <Saviq> sil2100, isn't it the same crash on unity8 exit?
[16:07] <Saviq> grrrrr why no stacktrace :[
[16:08] <Saviq> why aren't those preprocessed again? :)
[16:08] <Saviq> :( rather
[16:12] <Cimi> Saviq, best way for carousel shadow now is adding a property to Card, can I?
[16:12] <Saviq> sil2100, same crash - bug #1315251
[16:12] <Saviq> Cimi, can't the shadow be added in CardCarousel to the delegate?
[16:12] <Saviq> Cimi, since it's the only place where we'd use it?
[16:13] <Cimi> Saviq, but the delegate is the Card
[16:13] <Saviq> Cimi, yeah, and?
[16:13] <Cimi> Saviq, and to add shadow I need to set borderSource of artShape to an invalid value
[16:13] <Saviq> base off of https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dynamic_specialized_cards/+merge/218089 btw
[16:14] <Cimi> Saviq, as well as placing under artShape
[16:14] <Cimi> so cardShadow
[16:14] <Cimi> bool
[16:14] <Cimi> might be easy, light
[16:15] <Saviq> Cimi, why do you need to remove the border, we don't want it in carousel?
[16:15] <sil2100> Saviq: oh, so this one is the crash on stop as well? Thought it's something new as we had one unity8-crash on test-stop already 'fixed by itself' recently
[16:15] <Cimi> Saviq, nope
[16:15] <sil2100> Saviq: anyway, ok, thanks for having a quick look!
[16:15] <Saviq> sil2100, apparently not any more
[16:15] <Cimi> Saviq, the border is an inset
[16:15] <Cimi> Saviq, we would like an outer border, but the shadow is enough
[16:16] <Saviq> sil2100, bug #1317968 btw
[16:16] <Saviq> Cimi, ok, a) look into Albert's branch
[16:16] <Saviq> Cimi, we'll need to insert the borderSource: "none" to the generated delegate in case of carousel
[16:17] <Saviq> Cimi, and put the shadow in there under artShape
[16:17] <Cimi> tak
[16:17] <Saviq> Cimi, OTOH I still think we should be able to add the shadow in CardCarousel
[16:17] <Saviq> with z: -1
[16:17] <Cimi> Saviq, but I need the anchors of the artShape
[16:18] <Cimi> Saviq, otherwise I will fill the entire card
[16:18] <Saviq> Cimi, the artShape *is* the card in carousel
[16:18] <Cimi> yeah I know
[16:18] <Cimi> but feels like it works because it's a specific case
[16:18] <Cimi> it is not anchored to the right thing
[16:18] <Saviq> Cimi, depends on what we want to support in the carousel
[16:19] <Saviq> Cimi, if we say the only supported delegates are ubuntu-shaped
[16:19] <Saviq> Cimi, and that carousel has drop-shadows
[16:19] <Saviq> Cimi, that's the right place to put it
[16:19] <Saviq> Cimi, if it's supposed to be specific to the dash, then CardCarousel is the place I believe
[16:19] <Saviq> not Card itself, we don't want the shadow anywhere else
[16:20] <Saviq> ~EOW o/
[16:21] <Cimi> bye
[16:21] <Cimi> catch you monday
[16:22] <Cimi> rain is waiting for me http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743?day=1
[16:22] <Cimi> x-|
[16:24] <Cimi> wow weather for malta seems amazing
[16:31] <Cimi> Saviq, I fixed https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-text-summary-bottom-padding/+merge/217903/comments/522179 for Monday
[16:36] <Cimi> mterry, which timezone is robert?
[16:36] <Cimi> thought he was in canada
[16:36] <mterry> Cimi, australia, not sure which
[16:36] <Cimi> ok
[16:38] <Saviq> Cimi, ah, so height of the items changed and you had to make the thing smaller?
[16:38] <Cimi> Saviq, from a quick look at the file
[16:39] <Cimi> Saviq, it looked like the item number 9 was expected to be outside of the window
[16:39] <Cimi> so I reduced height
[16:39] <Cimi> hah
[16:39] <Cimi> will ask albert monday
[16:40] <Cimi> you go and enjoy your weekend
[16:40] <Cimi> I have 20 mins left
[16:40] <Saviq> Cimi, it's my test, yeah that's correct
[16:43] <Saviq> Cimi, ACK
[16:44] <Cimi> Still on trusty :| :D
[16:51] <mhr3> where do i get the tag remover script?
[16:51] <mhr3> Saviq, ?^
[16:52] <Cimi> mhr3, I'll give u
[16:53] <Cimi> mhr3, http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.sh
[16:53] <Cimi> mhr3, then you run both LOCAL and REMOTE
[16:54] <mhr3> right, thx Cimi
[16:54] <Cimi> so wget http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.sh
[16:54] <Cimi> chmod
[16:54] <Cimi> and run with the local path
[16:54] <Cimi> then against where you pushed
[16:54] <Cimi> otherwise it happens (it happened to me) that you keep pushing the tags
[16:56] <Saviq> mhr3, you can supply multiple paths (i.e. ./strip-u8-tags lp:foo ~/bar lp:baz)
[16:56] <mhr3> poor thing, it's deleting it one by one remotely
[16:56] <mhr3> will take ages
[16:57] <Cimi> mhr3, and be aware it takes ages for the remotes
[16:57] <Cimi> hah
[16:57] <Cimi> mhr3, so do it when you don't want to close PC for weekend :)
[16:57] <Cimi> probably 30 mins or less
[16:57] <Cimi> more than 10 iirc
[16:58] <mhr3> need to do some ironing
[16:58] <mhr3> like a proper housewife
[16:59] <mhr3> so i'll let it run
[16:59] <mhr3> enjoy weekend everyone
[16:59] <Saviq> mhr3, alternative would be to maybe use liblaunchpad, couldn't be bothered :P
[16:59] <Cimi> mhr3, train yourself with warsow
[16:59] <Cimi> instagib :P
[17:00] <Cimi> that was fun
[17:00] <mhr3> Cimi, heh, tell that to your body that i was passing by lots of times :P
[17:00] <mhr3> *to your *dead* body :)
[17:01] <Cimi> mhr3, the very old unreal tournament has a fun instagib mode
[17:01] <Cimi> mhr3, runs on linux
[17:01] <Cimi> mhr3, we might try that...
[17:01] <Cimi> warsow runs crap on my notebook
[17:01] <mhr3> yea, or we just convince dednick to install windows
[17:02] <Cimi> otherwise quake 3
[17:02] <Cimi> I don't have windows on my notebook
[17:02] <Cimi> was thinking of malta :)
[17:03] <mhr3> wow, am i the only one who doesn't delete that partition?
[17:03] <Cimi> mhr3, bought a SSD
[17:03] <mhr3> oh that reminds me, i wanted to order the wifi chip
[17:03] <Cimi> no windows dvd
[17:04] <Cimi> mhr3, first open your laptop and find out your mini pcie
[17:05] <Cimi> mhr3, which model you have?
[17:05] <mhr3> e430
[17:06] <Cimi> http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/user_guides/e430_e530_ug_en.pdf
[17:07] <Cimi> actually http://support.lenovo.com/en_GB/product-and-parts/detail.page?DocID=PD023308
[17:09] <Cimi> mhr3, you want this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC-7260/dp/B00E7QGHE6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399655043&sr=8-1&keywords=7260
[17:10] <Cimi> mhr3, here we go http://www.ebuyer.com/522031-bnw-intel-dual-band-wireless-ac-7260-2x2-7260-hmwwb
[17:10] <Cimi> mhr3, I might buy one at that price
[17:10] <Cimi> so I say bye bye broadcom
[17:10] <mhr3> meh, already ordered from amazon :P
[17:11] <Cimi> mhr3, so you in the office monday? ahahahah
[17:12] <mhr3> Cimi, doesn't support prime :P
[17:12] <mhr3> will arrive on tuesday probably
[17:12] <mhr3> and anyway i have monday off :)
[17:14] <Cimi> mhr3, I'm off to gym! let me know if  you want to play a bit over the weekend, we can play online
[17:14] <Cimi> ciao
[17:15] <mhr3> Cimi, got friends staying at my place, so we'll be walking around london
[17:16] <Cimi> mhr3, rain is expected
[17:16] <Cimi> :(
[17:16] <mhr3> and that's why i need to do the ironing, so there's some actual space :)
[17:16] <mhr3> yea... sucks
[17:16] <mhr3> but well
[22:20] <mhall119> Saviq: I'm still having to unlock and re-add apps on my Launcher when I get updates, wasn't that fixed?
[22:21] <Saviq> mhall119, no, it wasn't, but will be, soon
[22:24] <mhall119> ah, ok, I thought that was part of the big Unity 8 update that brought the new scopes
[22:29] <Saviq> mhall119, no, totally unrelated :)


[09:40] <Lin-Buo-Ren> I would like to ask (if not, already) where is the program that actually builds the Ubuntu desktop installer disk images?
[09:43] <Lin-Buo-Ren> I'd like to make a custom variant that mimics the actual image build process as close as possible, the project site is @ https://github.com/Not-That-Ubuntu-Taiwan-Community/Ubuntu-TW-Ubuntu
[09:52] <pmjdebru1jn> hey folks, I have a question that is not directly related to the installer, but is adjacent to it
[09:52] <pmjdebru1jn> can anybody point me to some info on how the official Ubuntu ISOs are generated, considering live-build uses genisoimage, not xorriso and doesn't support EFI
[13:23] <pmjdebru1jn> so I figured out how to use xorriso to make an EFI bootable ISO based on the binary directory from live-build