[00:20] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu  [Reign_]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>very odd behavior, would not try a single troubleshooting step
[00:23] <tsimpson> bazhang: the mark doesn't really work well when you place the nick in []
[00:24] <bazhang> tsimpson, okay, apologies. will remember that
[00:25] <tsimpson> the only problem is that I don't think the BT search includes comments
[01:38] <Wally> Hiya :)
 apshack: fix it yourself.. its Opensource
 yay you broke it!
[01:39] <Wally> bazhang: Well you saw the way he was talking.
 MrKeuner: I am a honest Aussie citizen.. I admit I trolled.. I will stop
 Typical 13 year olds.
[01:40] <bazhang> Wally, he was likely a non-native speaker. the aver media chip is one in Asia
[01:40] <Wally> Yeah..
[01:40] <Corey> Wally: Also, if someone else is trolling, "piling on" isn't likely a good solution.
[01:40] <bazhang> so you calling him a troll, goading him, and being abusive are complete non-starters.
[01:41] <Wally> Yeah I agree Corey My bad.
[01:41] <bazhang> Wally, this time is a /remove and a warning.
[01:42] <Wally> So he gets away with being smart.. and "badgering" about an issue while he proceeded to threaten to break something.
[01:42] <bazhang> Wally, this is not about anyone else but you.
[01:42] <Corey> Wally: Should you find his content objectionable, you can always /ignore him.
[01:43] <Wally> Fair point Corey.
[01:43] <Wally> bazhang: Yeah true that..
[01:43] <bazhang> Wally, there are moderators in the channel. You are not one of them.
[01:43] <Wally> bazhang: No. I am not
[01:43] <Corey> Wally: But "you fighting fire with fire" doesn't remove the problem, it simply means that now we have two problems.
[01:43] <bazhang> !guidelines | Wally have a read
[01:45] <Wally> Righto then.
[01:45] <bazhang> !coc | Wally and this too
[01:47] <Wally> k
[01:48] <Wally> Can I go now?
[02:03] <bazhang> I know this is offtopic, but let me proceed anyway...</OT>
[02:25] <bazhang> ban forward for fluttershyfan? or dont bother, just @mark
[02:25] <rww> @mark #ubuntu fluttershyfan language problem
 A keyboard driver with better response times for the caps lock key is all I Require good sirs, please I Beseach thee is a humble peasant in this land of noble irc users
[02:51] <bazhang> keyboard drivers?
[02:55] <bazhang> psydoll cant really believe that
[03:09] <bazhang> christopherNG is psydoll
[03:09] <bazhang> err was
[03:11] <rww> ident and realname for both are default Ubuntu LiveCD. Anything else?
[03:12] <bazhang> * ubuntu___<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <bazhang> * ubuntu___ is now known as Psydoll
[03:13] <rww> thanks
[03:13] <bazhang> * Psydoll has quit (Changing host)
[03:13] <bazhang> * Psydoll (~ubuntu@unaffiliated/psydoll) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:13] <bazhang> whoop sorry
[03:20] <Psydoll> hey folks looks like some operator disabled my rights in the offtopic channel after baiting me out and encouraging me, would like to be able to post in the channel again.
[03:20] <Psydoll> actually it was rww
[03:20] <rww> o/
[03:20] <rww> tonyyarusso: you want to take this?
[03:21] <Psydoll> anyway if i dont get them back i just re-register and come back under a different username and re-register.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> Want to, not really, but I will :P
[03:21] <rww> Psydoll: evading bans is a violation of freenode network policy, and may result in you being removed from the network. I do not recommend it, especially given that you just announced that you intend to do so in a channel with freenode staffers in it.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> Psydoll: What you just threatened to do is a violation of network policy and would get you banned from all of Freenode, not just Ubuntu channels.
[03:21] <rww> tonyyarusso: go find another active op to pass the hot potato to, then :P
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> Additionally, saying that just made my job super easy, because it just clarified beyond all doubt that you do not deserve to have the mute lifted.
[03:22] <Psydoll> its no sweat really anyway im watching a movie.
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Enjoy the film!
[03:23] <Psydoll> Just funny because an operator was the one that was demanding i answer a question about Kanji after I repeatedly said end of topic.
[03:24] <Corey> Hello.
[03:24] <Psydoll> If you dont like the answer then dont ask the question :)
[03:25] <Corey> Psydoll: You really, really don't want to start the ban evasion game.
[03:26] <Psydoll> Im asking for my rights back or a time on when I would get them back, Since I was deliberately baited and set up by an operator after I repeatedly said "end of topic"
[03:27] <Psydoll> Been coming on freenode for a long time, and been contributing in the #ubuntu channel just helped someone with his sound problem.
[03:27] <rww> I believe I said "a couple of days" already.
[03:27] <rww> Also, you do not have a "right" to speak in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[03:28] <Psydoll> yea but you deliberately baited and called me out after i kept saying "end of topic"
[03:28] <Corey> A fanatic is a person who won't change his mind and can't change the subject.
[03:28] <rww> If one of the other ops here feels that I deliberately baited you and that my quiet was unwarranted, I would appreciate it if they removed that quiet.
[03:29] <Psydoll> when I said "end of topic" i should have been left alone
[03:29] <Corey> Psydoll: Give it a day or so to calm down, then re-enter.
[03:29] <Psydoll> np corey, ive been coming on freenode for years and im not in a big rush anyway.
[03:30] <Corey> Psydoll: Thanks, it's appreciated.
[03:30] <Psydoll> Q/
[03:30] <Corey> I'd consider pulling it-- he has something of a point.
 Stallman is not pleased.
[03:35] <bazhang> is he suggesting the user open up their computer to check the ram? augh
[03:39] <bazhang> rww, removed the mute?
[03:39] <rww> On further consideration I'm 50%-50% on whether it's warranted, and I find that I'm usually wrong when I feel that.
[03:40] <bazhang> you did NOT bait him
[03:41] <bazhang> kierge seems to offering some very suspect advice
[04:03] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu kierge> dee27, they are full of human viruses
[04:24] <bazhang> tired of his nonsense. telling people to google it now.
[07:43] <ikonia> rww: fyi psydoll has been a problem in #ubuntu too, his attitude in general stinks, he plays ##slackware off agfainst #ubuntu
[11:50] <ikonia> frantk: hello there
[11:51] <frantk> hi, I just wanted to check if newobjectivec has managed to come here
[11:51] <ikonia> no
[11:51] <ikonia> he thinks I'm trying to misslead him by telling him to join this channel
[11:52] <frantk> yeah
[11:52] <ikonia> he insists #freenode is the correct place and they will take action against me
[11:52] <ikonia> he also believes I banned him in #debian - which someone else did, so he can't grasp things
[11:52] <frantk> well, #freenode would have been the right place for his original questions...
[11:52] <frantk> hehe
[11:53] <ikonia> well, I'll let him do what he wants, I can't make him understand/listen
[11:53] <ikonia> frantk: thank you for your assistance in #freenode
[11:54] <frantk> no problem
[11:54] <ikonia> do you need anything else from the channel ?
[11:54] <frantk> no. should I leave?
[11:55] <ikonia> if you wouldn't mind, we keep the channel free for issues to be resolved
[11:55] <frantk> no problem, I understand
[11:56] <ikonia> nice to see a helpful soul for once
[11:56] <popey> +1
[11:57] <newobjectivec> hi
[11:57] <ikonia> hello nw
[11:57] <ikonia> newobjectivec:
[11:57] <newobjectivec> ikonia i'm complaining about you
[11:57] <newobjectivec> should i complain to you about you?
[11:57] <ikonia> I understand that, that's why I asked you to this channel
[11:57] <newobjectivec> ok
[11:57] <ikonia> newobjectivec: we can discuss your ban and the reasoning in here,
[11:58] <newobjectivec> ok
[11:58] <ikonia> I didn't feel it productive to continue in private
[11:58] <newobjectivec> thats what i said earlier
[11:58] <newobjectivec> that talking to you about it doesnt change anything
[11:58] <newobjectivec> and i dont feel comfortable talking to you
[11:58] <newobjectivec> i dont mean to be rude
[11:58] <newobjectivec> but i talked to you for a long time
[11:59] <newobjectivec> 40 minutes to be specific
[11:59] <ikonia> newobjectivec: you where banned from ubuntu after repeated warnings to follow the channels topics, other people gave you information about the correct places to get help - and you didn't follow them
[11:59] <ikonia> newobjectivec: you where kicked as warnings and again given information to get help from the correct places, you again ignored it
[11:59] <ikonia> this resulted in you calling me a natzi, and your banning
[11:59] <newobjectivec> are you trying to poison the wells?
[11:59] <ikonia> just so you are clear on the reason
[12:00] <newobjectivec> i came to here to complain
[12:00] <newobjectivec> i dont want to come across as rude
[12:00] <newobjectivec> i'm upset by your behaviour
[12:00] <ikonia> I understand that, which is why I'm explaining to you the reasoning again, so you're clear as to why you have been banned
[12:00] <newobjectivec> and its wrong for me to complain about you to you
[12:00] <newobjectivec> if i was going to complain about you to you
[12:00] <newobjectivec> then there would be no point in me doing it
[12:00] <ikonia> newobjectivec: the channel is full of other operators also
[12:01] <newobjectivec> if you have something to say about the entire issue, then say it, if you have something to say to me, then say it, if you want to say your side then say it, but dont direct what i will say.
[12:01] <ikonia> hence why I asked you here, so others could contribute/see the conversation
[12:01] <newobjectivec> you didnt ask me here
[12:01] <ikonia> please don't lie
[12:01] <newobjectivec> i was asked to come to here from the freenode channel
[12:01] <ikonia> newobjectivec: by me
[12:01] <ikonia> I asked you in #freenode
[12:02] <newobjectivec> [12:46] <Caso> newobjectivec: See #ubuntu-ops for Ubuntu channel issues.
[12:02] <newobjectivec> [12:48] <ikonia> please join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to complain
[12:02] <newobjectivec> notice the time stamp
[12:02] <newobjectivec> caso said it first
[12:02] <ikonia> that's called network lag
[12:02] <newobjectivec> are you caso ?
[12:02] <ikonia> no
[12:03] <newobjectivec> why did you call me a lier then ?
[12:03] <elky> ikonia, it seems this isn't worth the bother.
[12:03] <newobjectivec> just becouse you repeated what he said it doesnt mean you said it
[12:03] <ikonia> elky: I would agree, this is the attitude I had in pm - so I'll leave it
[12:03] <ikonia> and the attitude that got him banned from #debian
[12:03] <newobjectivec> so now its me who is not worth the bother and its me who has an attitude
[12:04] <newobjectivec> this is what i didnt want
[12:04] <newobjectivec> i didnt want some one targetting me
[12:04] <Pici> Why don't you start over then.
[12:04] <newobjectivec> then not letting me complain
[12:04] <newobjectivec> well
[12:04] <elky> Then you should probably have not got hung up on who mentioned this channel first.
[12:04] <newobjectivec> i went to ubuntu
[12:04] <newobjectivec> and ilonai was kicking mne
[12:04] <newobjectivec> me
[12:04] <newobjectivec> in a periord of seconds
[12:04] <newobjectivec> it was hard to know what was happening
[12:05] <newobjectivec> and it was followed by a bann
[12:05] <newobjectivec> so i went to another channel asking for help
[12:05] <newobjectivec> and the same person was there and removed my voice
[12:05] <ikonia> I have no power in #debian - so again, nothing to do with me
[12:06] <newobjectivec> i dont know if i should copy and paste what happened there
[12:06] <newobjectivec> but i feel that you are trying to sabotage my complaint
[12:06] <Pici> newobjectivec: We don't handle anything in #debian, so no, it wouldn't be prudent to tell us about it.
[12:07] <elky> * abrotman sets ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:07] <newobjectivec> the point is
[12:07] <mrmist> newobjectivec: it seems that you are possibly a bit confused as to how this network operates.  For general questions, maybe ask in #freenode rather thn #ubuntu. If there is a more suitable place, we'll direct you to it from there.  Please meanwhile respect chanop decisions when they ask you to stay on topic. Thanks :)
[12:07] <newobjectivec> ikonai kept following me through the channel
[12:07] <newobjectivec> channels
[12:07] <newobjectivec> i think ikonai is picking on me
[12:07] <newobjectivec> i messaged that op and first i expressed frastration
[12:08] <elky> Ikonia was already in #debian. He has been for years.
[12:08] <newobjectivec> then becouse was responding to my messages i thought maybe wasnt picking on me and i apologised for what i said
[12:08] <Pici> newobjectivec: Most channels have rules. I understand that you are frustrated by them, but that still means that you need to follow them.
[12:08] <newobjectivec> by the way
[12:08] <newobjectivec> i'm a slow reader
[12:08] <newobjectivec> so i probably missed messages typed here
[12:08] <Pici> Okay?
[12:09] <Pici> Perhaps you should read responses before typing your reply then.
[12:09] <newobjectivec> i want to finish what i was saying then i will go up there and read what was typed
[12:09] <Pici> Thats not really how IRC is supposed to work...
[12:09] <newobjectivec> anyway one last point
[12:10] <ikonia> you've just spent 40 minutes telling me how IRC works, how you've been on it since 1990, yet you don't seem to be able to grasp the simple point of "follow the rules"
[12:10] <newobjectivec> so after expressing my frastration, and i do have allot of frastrations about manytimes when ops use kick and ban casually. then i apologised and everything. but then there was the ban there still present.
[12:11] <newobjectivec> and ikonai said that i dont benifit ubuntu for that reason there is the ban
[12:11] <newobjectivec> all of these things i see them as authoriterian behaviour
[12:11] <Pici> newobjectivec: May I respond now?
[12:11] <newobjectivec> today i came across even in this channel as a person with an attitude
[12:12] <newobjectivec> i'm not a person with an attitude
[12:12] <mrmist> If I may, I suspect your lack of willingness to listen to anything people communicate to you whilst you're mid-flow probably contributes to that mis-impression.
[12:13] <Pici> mrmist: I was just about to say something like that.
[12:13] <newobjectivec> and i didnt do anything wrong and i think what was done although it doesnt effect me yet it was unfair, i resent it which is why i came to post a complaint, i doubt anything will happen since people allready started taking a position against me. but at least i feel comfortable that i didnt accept it. and that i resisted it and expressed my displeasure about it.
[12:13] <newobjectivec> i finished what i was saying, going to read what was typed
[12:14] <elky> I suspect if you're this ways limited in a real-time discussion medium that you'd be much better served on the forums.
[12:14] <elky> !forums
[12:15] <Pici> elky: That is a good point.
[12:15] <Pici> Or askubuntu
[12:15] <Pici> !askubuntu
[12:18] <newobjectivec> i read what was said
[12:18] <newobjectivec> i understand that people are not happy about how i speak
[12:18] <newobjectivec> and that i got advised to go to forums
[12:19] <elky> I believe forums and askubuntu would be more suited to your limitation from reading and writing at the same time. the pace is much more like what you seem to expect from relay chat.
[12:21] <newobjectivec> i respect everyone's opinion. but i have a different opinion. and we are all entitled to our opinions. i hope i dont come across as rude, and i'm not trying to make an issue out of nothing, but i used irc for long and people dont make issues about how i comunicate, everyone have their limitations, there are ways around that. kicking and banning some one is not the solution, and with all
[12:21] <newobjectivec> respect, telling some one to use a forum although i know its said light heartedly yet i think its not a solution. if the way i talk was very disturbing i wouldnt have used irc for this long.
[12:23] <elky> newobjectivec, the simple fact is that you were unable to ask appropriate questions in #ubuntu. It's not a support channel for mIRC. Nor is #debian a support channel for c++.
[12:24] <newobjectivec> i understand that
[12:24] <elky> We have no intention of asking 1500 people in #ubuntu to stop typing so you can keep up, either.
[12:24] <newobjectivec> i didnt ask people to stop typing
[12:24] <newobjectivec> there is a channel called drupal
[12:24] <newobjectivec> it focuses on CMS
[12:24] <newobjectivec> becouse there are people who have website building skills there
[12:25] <newobjectivec> i go there and ask them about otherthings including flash and html
[12:25] <newobjectivec> they dont get offended by that
[12:25] <newobjectivec> when i went to ubuntu
[12:25] <newobjectivec> i wanted to know how to put a time stamp
[12:25] <newobjectivec> on my mirc
[12:25] <newobjectivec> some one said go to micr channel
[12:25] <newobjectivec> so it was great help
[12:25] <newobjectivec> i went there
[12:25] <newobjectivec> and i was told how to put it
[12:25] <newobjectivec> then i had one last question about the difference between c++ and visual C++
[12:26] <elky> Does #drupal have 1500 people using it?
[12:26] <newobjectivec> i thought there was someone who knows the answer
[12:26] <newobjectivec> its the main channel for a main CMS used for the white house website so yes it has allot of people
[12:26] <newobjectivec> probably more than 1500
[12:26] <elky> There are not 1500 people in #drupal.
[12:26] <newobjectivec> not talking about drupal here
[12:27] <newobjectivec> about drupal in whatever server they are located
[12:27] <newobjectivec> but the point is not about how i read or how many people are in drupal
[12:27] <elky> But maybe you should ask them about c++ if you really believe they're ok with offtopic questions.
[12:27] <newobjectivec> its about simple things getting turned into big issues
[12:27] <newobjectivec> and when i message the opp, the opp expresses that i was polite for apologising
[12:28] <newobjectivec> but i'm not benificial to a channel
[12:28] <elky> Actually it is. There is only so much demand that one channel can accomodate. We must limit the scope of #ubuntu to make sure that questions directly related to ubuntu have priority.
[12:28] <newobjectivec> the channel is not a place to benifit people, many people in the channel are idling. and telling me that its about being benificial is an excuse and its about being autoritative.
[12:28] <elky> You are not beneficial to #ubuntu if you are using it for non-ubuntu questions.
[12:29] <newobjectivec> i came to complain about it here, you know how this conversation went, and i can tell that ultimately i will be the wrong one here and i will be anotherone biting the dust. the opp is allways right
[12:29] <elky> It's nothing to do with authority. We must moderate the busy channel to make sure that people who need help with the product within our scope to support get the help they need. c++ has it's own channel.
[12:30] <elky> newobjectivec, we have rules. We must stick to the rules.
[12:30] <newobjectivec> ok
[12:31] <elky> Now if that is all, I need to get to bed.
[12:31] <newobjectivec> thank you for being open minded about this issue and taking the time to explain your point of view
[12:33] <elky> Thanks. There's no ongoing need for you to stay here. We keep it free from idlers so that for example, discussions like this don't get disrupted by lots of people being silly.
[12:33] <elky> !logs
[12:33] <elky> The channel is logged however. Thanks.
 Could somebody help me configure network devices for initramfs ?
[12:56] <bazhang> that make sense?
[13:03] <ikonia> not to me
[13:16] <tiredhungryy> hi
[13:16] <tiredhungryy> can i please have my ban removed
[13:16] <tiredhungryy> learnt my lesson
[13:16] <bazhang> tiredhungryy, hi
[13:17] <tiredhungryy> hi bazhang
[13:17] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: not at this time
[13:18] <tiredhungryy> i was drunkkkkkk
[13:18] <tiredhungryy> i came home from bar
[13:18] <tiredhungryy> was immature i know
[13:19] <h00k> @login
[13:19] <h00k> @btlogin
[13:19] <Pici> Factoid request handled.
[13:20] <popey> @btlogin
[13:21] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: considering your harmful activity did go on several days, including ban evasion, I'd say no, not at this time
[13:21] <tiredhungryy> i didnt do any ban evasion
[13:21] <tiredhungryy> i have a dialup modem
[13:22] <tiredhungryy> it changed ip without me realising
[13:22] <Tm_T> it's not that
[13:23] <Tm_T> and you very well know it, so I suggest you don't try to enter #ubuntu in atleast a month, and we'll look it again then
[13:23] <tiredhungryy> fine
[13:23] <ikonia> even if it did change the IP - you still repeated the same dd if= of= gag
[13:23] <popey> "gag"
[13:23] <ikonia> so you repeated the behaviour even if you didn't mean to ban dodge
[13:23] <tiredhungryy> he asked how to remove home folder, that would remove it
[13:23] <ikonia> popey: yes, he claims it was a joke to destroy other peoples machines
[13:23] <ikonia> tiredhungryy: you where told not to do it again, and you did,
[13:23] <tiredhungryy> then i said instantly in caps it is joke
[13:24] <ikonia> tiredhungryy: yes, but when you've come back since then, you've done it again
[13:24] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: you knew we said don't do it
[13:24] <h00k> that is still not inappropriate behavior, especially after a removal for it once.
[13:24] <Pici> cooks
[13:24] <Pici> kitchen
[13:24] <h00k> s/not//
[13:24] <Pici> etc
[13:24]  * h00k wanders off
[13:24]  * tiredhungryy off to reset modem
[13:24] <ikonia> byew
[13:24] <ikonia> bye
[13:25] <tiredhungryy> i tried being curteous and apologising but seems i'll have to just ban evade
[13:26] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: remember that you have been warned before that ban evasion is against freenode policies, and it wont help you in any way
[13:26] <tiredhungryy> reseting my modem isn't malicious, but if u want to ban every ip in china in one swoop, go ahead
[13:26] <jpds> OK.
[13:27] <tiredhungryy> block out 3 billion people
[13:27] <tiredhungryy> because of a joke
[13:27] <jpds> Argh, wrong window.
[13:27] <tiredhungryy> sure
[13:27] <Tm_T> tiredhungryy: ban evasion = entering channel knowing one is banned there
[13:27] <Tm_T> and you know
[13:27] <Tm_T> so any means you do use to enter the channel is ban evasion
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> ok
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> good luck finding me
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> i wont call myself tiredhungry3
[13:28] <Tm_T> ok, bye for now then
[13:28] <ikonia> ok - bye
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> FUCKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[13:28] <tiredhungryy> there
[13:28] <ikonia> ok - bye
[13:28] <bazhang> wait, kernels take up a lot of space?
[13:28] <jpds> tiredhungryy: Later.
[13:29] <tiredhungryy> geeks
[13:29] <h00k> hey, my coffee is empty.
[13:29] <LjL> h00k: call genii
[13:29] <ikonia> the coffee master
[13:30]  * h00k strokes his coffee mug in hopes of genii appearing
[13:32] <Tm_T> h00k: maybe this happened? http://www.bluemilkspecial.com/?p=198
[13:32] <h00k> Tm_T: that is fantastic
[13:32]  * h00k prints
[13:33] <Tm_T> note the logo in the mug
[13:34] <Tm_T> bah, forgot the mug isn't appearing in that strip
[13:35] <h00k> My face was pressed against my monitor looking for a mug and/or logo
[13:36] <Tm_T> h00k: join the other channel (;
[13:41] <bazhang>  [changeTheWorld] (~timetobur@<IP_ADDRESS>): ...
 btw guys you should all run  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda    it will speed up your system 10x
[13:42] <bazhang> same fellow right?
[13:42] <jpds> Yep.
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> wahahhahahahaha
[13:43]  * changeTheWorld evil grin
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> next time i will just not bother giving myself away
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> but i will continue to join the channel as often as i wish
[13:43] <jpds> Until then.
[13:43] <bazhang> changeTheWorld, ban evasion is against freenode policy
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> about 1 minute it takes
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> dial up modems rock
[13:43] <changeTheWorld> all freenode can do is ban my ip
[13:44]  * changeTheWorld thinks these ops dont get it
[13:44] <Tm_T> changeTheWorld: is there some purpose you're in this channel?
[13:44] <changeTheWorld> trolling
[13:44] <changeTheWorld> your powerless to ban me
[13:45] <bazhang> you're
[13:45] <jpds> Actually, we did ban him.
[13:45] <LjL> shall i ban $r:...?
[13:47] <jpds> asdfasleilse was easy.
[13:48] <h00k> 61.173.*.* :(
[13:48] <LjL> yeah have that on highlight, but not too comfortable banning a range like that
[13:48] <h00k> Right.
[13:56] <bazhang> * [philIey] (~philiey@<IP_ADDRESS>): ... looks like it
[13:57] <ikonia> do it
[13:58] <bazhang> he did
[13:58] <ikonia> good
[15:46] <glda19> why removed
[15:47] <Pici> ikonia: ^
[15:47] <glda19> ?
[15:47] <Pici> glda19: Just a moment.
[15:48] <glda19> why removed form ubuntu
[15:48] <Pici> glda19: ikonia is the one that removed you, they should be here shortly.
[15:49] <glda19> i asked somthing and i stopt and ban
[15:54] <glda19> pici wher is ikonia
[15:55] <Pici> glda19: hold on please.
[15:56] <glda19> how long
[15:57] <ikonia> sorry
[15:57] <ikonia> I was just away
[15:57] <ikonia> glda19: do you remember having multiple conversations about beta products such as thunderbird 5 and lightning 1.4b not being available in the ubuntu repos because they where beta/not packaged ?
[15:58] <glda19> tb 5 is not beta
[15:58] <ikonia> and as such we didn't support them
[15:58] <ikonia> glda19: no, it's not beta at this time, but it's not packaged for ubuntu, so you're getting it from mozilla.org in a pre-compiled tar file
[15:58] <ikonia> but you remember those conversations over the last few days where I have explained this to you ?
[15:59] <glda19> no it's packaged for ubunutu
[15:59] <Pici> glda19: What repository are you getting it from then?
[16:00] <glda19> pici i don't now i have to down grade
[16:00] <ikonia> ?
[16:00] <ikonia> you must know what repo you're getting this software from,
[16:00] <glda19> i down grade
[16:01] <ikonia> thunderbird 5 would be an "upgrade"
[16:01] <ikonia> well, lets not focus too hard on this, either way they are not from official ubuntu repos
[16:01] <ikonia> and lightning 1.4b (beta) isn't certainly
[16:02] <ikonia> glda19: so you remember we've discussed a few times over the last few days that this software and the configuration you want isn't a supported or realisitic configuration in a lot of ways ?
[16:02] <glda19> ppa:mozillateam/thunderbird-stable
[16:02] <ikonia> for various reasons
[16:02] <ikonia> ok - so that wasn't where you got it from the first time we spoke, but even then, it's a PPA which is supported by the mozilla team, not really the ubuntu community
[16:02] <ikonia> (#ubuntu-mozillateam is the channel for that)
[16:03] <glda19> ikonia, on calendar an thunderbird on mozilla server no answer
[16:03] <ikonia> glda19: the reason you got removed and forwarded to this channel is despite being told many times over the last few days about the supportability of this software (lack of it) you keep asking for support/help with it
[16:03] <glda19> how lang removeds
[16:04] <glda19> how long
[16:04] <ikonia> glda19: I'll remove it now, if you can grasp that you need to stop asking for help with these products ?
[16:04] <ikonia> I've only forwarded you here as you didn't seem to be taking it when I was telling you in the channel
[16:05] <ikonia> glda19: do you understand what I'm saying ?
[16:05] <glda19> ikonia, i didn't now there was a ubuntu-molzilla channel
[16:05] <ikonia> that's fine, I'm telling you now, but do you understand what I'm saying about these products not being "stable" within the ubuntu product range and not supported ?
[16:05] <ikonia> more so in the unusual configuration you want
[16:06] <glda19> ?
[16:06] <ikonia> glda19: do you understand that the products you are asking for help yet are not officially packaged and supported in the ubuntu linux distribution, (yes/no)
[16:07] <ikonia> help "with" that should be
[16:07] <glda19> yes
[16:07] <ikonia> glda19: do you agree to stop asking for help with them in #ubuntu (yes/no)
[16:07] <glda19> yes
[16:08] <ikonia> ok - then I'll remove the ban forward from #ubuntu now, but please keep in mind you have now agreed to stop asking for help
[16:08] <ikonia> help with these products
[16:08] <ikonia> you're welcome to leave this channel and rejoin #ubuntu
[16:14] <ikonia> glda19: if you're happy the ban has been removed and you have no further problems, we request that you leave the channel so that other people can get help when they need it
[16:14] <glda19> yes
[16:14] <ikonia> thanks
[16:54] <ikonia> be alert, oly562 just signed in :)
[16:57] <ikonia> what ?
[16:57] <Pici> I'm asking
[16:57] <ikonia> just saw
[16:57] <ikonia> had a little chuckle
[16:58] <ikonia> looks like syrinx_ after his "I'm never going back there" rant
[17:01] <rww> never going back where?
[17:02] <ikonia> to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:07] <ikonia> rww: that's one of the saddest things after canonical made a big deal of sparc
[17:07] <ikonia> I'd forgot about that
[17:08] <rww> I've been hit by Ubuntu dropping support for some ARM versions. I'm glad our father distro is a little more compatible :)
[17:09] <ikonia> I thought arm was staying supported ?
[17:09] <ikonia> or coming back at least
[17:09] <ikonia> due to the "mobile" project
[17:10] <rww> some are and some aren't, I think. I haven't looked into it much, I just know my Sheevaplug doesn't work in >Jaunty.
[17:10] <ikonia> so silly that canonical made such a big deal of sparc....then dropped it inthe next release.
[17:13] <Tm_T> ikonia: ARM is supported, but only certain type of ARMs (:
[17:14] <Pici> !arm
[17:15] <ikonia> am I missing what ilangeeran is on about ?
[17:17] <rww> they don't make much sense to me either
[19:09] <Pici> Python: Hi, how can we help you today?
[19:10] <Python> Hi, I'm interested to in joining Ops. Is "create a Wiki page where you explain why you want to join and why you would be a good op" one of the requirements ?
[19:12] <Pici> Python: yes.
[19:13] <Python> Pici: okay, thank you and have a great day/evening
[19:51] <tsimpson> ^ having a wiki page is no longer a requirement
[19:51] <Pici> tsimpson: oops
[19:52] <h00k> I missed that
[19:53] <tsimpson> I blame topyli
[19:53] <tsimpson> :)
[19:53] <h00k> I blame jussi and triangles
[19:53] <Pici> agreed;
[20:10] <Myrtti> I thought channels needing ops was a requirement :-P
[20:11] <IdleOne> it is
[20:11] <IdleOne> applying for ops is now an "open" process
[20:16] <tsimpson> anyone can apply, but we don't approve anyone until after we call for ops
[20:17] <LjL> or at all, in some cases, hopefully
[20:21] <tsimpson> indeed simply applying for a position is no guarantee of acceptance
[21:09] <ikonia> so rather than telling someone they are not suitable and give realistic feedback, we let them go through an application process
[21:36] <tsimpson> ikonia: we provide feedback when we review candidates
[21:36] <ikonia> I know but......
[21:37] <ikonia> when's the next review ?
[21:38] <tsimpson> usually after a call for ops
[21:38] <ikonia> someone actually sending him a pm and suggesting why he may not be suitable at this time rather than dryly letting him waste time applying maybe a bit more realistic
[21:38] <ikonia> rather than letting his application just sit there
[21:38] <tsimpson> but we are moving to reviewing all pending applicants every 6 months
[21:38] <ikonia> 6 months....come on
[21:38] <ikonia> can we actually start applying common sense rather than blind processes
[21:39] <tsimpson> come on what? people can apply before we send a call out
[21:39] <ikonia> and it just sits there for 6 months......
[21:39] <ikonia> why not just say "we are not looking for ops at the moment" rather than waste someones time
[21:40] <tsimpson> there is plenty of information out there about what is required to become an op, if they feel they meet those requirements then they can apply
[21:40] <ikonia> sorry, this process stuff is just stupid in my view
[21:40] <tsimpson> I am well aware of your views
[21:40] <ikonia> rather than applying common sense we point people to processes
[21:41] <ikonia> good - well I'm voicing them again
[21:41] <ikonia> and I will continue to voice them
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Seems pretty intelligent to have some applications on hand at all times
[21:41] <ikonia> it doesn't to me
[21:42] <ikonia> it seems silly to have people sat in a box for 6 months
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Channel needs an op in a hurry, why hold the process up waiting for applications?
[21:42] <tsimpson> I really don't see why allowing people to express their interest in joining the ops team is such a bad thing tbh
[21:42] <ikonia> as the call to ops you'll have to go and validate those applications again
[21:42] <ikonia> tsimpson: it's not a bad thing - but it's also not a bad thing to say "we are not looking at the moment, follow the mail list and you'll see when we are"
[21:42] <ikonia> rather than making people do an application process
[21:42] <ikonia> or in python's case - say "not at this time and here's why"
[21:43] <ikonia> and I'm only using him as a current example
[21:44] <LjL> maybe it could be considered whether to adjust the process so that you can't become an op for some given period of time if you've been banned. make it easier for the troublemakers who want to apply.
[21:44] <LjL> such as me
[21:45] <ikonia> LjL: I'm all for an application process, just not process that goes against common sense
[21:45] <ikonia> or wastes peoples time
[22:14] <elky> LjL, that would be a good move I think
[22:22] <rww> I think the current system, where current ops can email IRCC about applicants, is fine. I check bantracker before I email and factor it into what I say. Works for me *shrug*
[22:23] <rww> ("fine" as in talking about whether to factor in bans to eligibility, not in general)
[23:43] <Juest> hey
[23:43] <Juest> :)
[23:44] <bazhang> Juest, hello
[23:49] <Juest> :)
[23:49] <Juest> here i am
[23:49] <Juest> late, sorry
[23:49] <Juest> but here i am
[23:55] <Juest> guys?
[23:57] <bazhang> Juest, yes? something you need assistance with?
[23:58] <Juest> well, i was told to come back because of a ban
[23:59] <bazhang> Juest, any idea why you were banned?
[23:59] <bazhang> Juest, any idea why you were banned?


[06:36] <blahdeblah> Hi.  I've just sent a notice to ubuntu-users & ubuntu-devel-announce mailing lists about some upcoming downtime on Sunday 2017-11-05 at 23:00 UTC.  Could an IRC op please be available around then to update topics in #ubuntu & #ubuntu-devel?


[12:10] <OdyX> kmon: Well... Version: 6.9.0-8.23.7+<IP_ADDRESS>-1
[12:10] <OdyX> I don't know... but this is the version I could have if needed.
[12:10] <kmon> ati released 8.24.8
[12:11] <kmon> it supports many x10xxx cards
[12:11] <kmon> and I've read resolves issues with kdm (but I don't know if this is correct)
[12:12] <kmon> I'm having issues with kdm and fglrx: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdm/+bug/36897/+index
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36897 in kdm "blank screen on quit (no usplash)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:12] <kmon> so that's my main interest
[12:12] <kmon> but I imagine many people with new laptops will like the addition
[12:13] <OdyX> kmon: I'm on the other side of the force: nvidia
[12:14] <OdyX> sorry, I cannot do much more than apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:14] <kmon> OdyX: I'm running dapper :)
[12:16] <OdyX> kmon: I do even...
[12:16] <OdyX> kmon: but no special interest on Compiz (impossible to run Boinc...)
[12:17] <kmon> OdyX: I'm not interested in compiz either
[12:17] <OdyX> kmon: so what ?
[12:17] <OdyX> kmon: download kororaa.... burn a CD and hold it with your laptop... :D
[12:18] <OdyX> Then, when demo is necessary, take the CD, put it in reader, reboot and SHOW !
[12:19] <kmon> kororra hangs my laptop
[12:19] <kmon> it's a known issue with ati drivers
[12:20] <OdyX> woops then :D
[12:20] <OdyX> but wait for 0.3, they will probably include last drivers which you seem to say they comply...
[12:30] <kmon> sure
[12:30] <kmon> ok, time to sleep....
[12:30] <kmon> good night everyone here
[12:31] <OdyX> 'night kmon.
[12:31] <kmon> bye
[01:01] <Riddell> kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0496.JPG
[01:01] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0497.JPG
[01:01] <Riddell> not sure how useful those are with my shaky hand
[01:02] <Riddell> but the beta image looks really bad, especially round the bottom of the letters
[01:02] <OdyX> Riddell: this is intended to be the usplash for beta ?
[01:02] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for posting those
[01:03] <Riddell> OdyX: yes
[01:03] <Riddell> kwwii: however the scaling is just right
[01:03] <kwwii> Riddell: I expected that the bottoms would do exactly that...good
[01:03] <OdyX> Riddell: would not like to make something funny starting "beta" from the b of Kubuntu ?
[01:03] <kwwii> Riddell: killer - that is the part that I was scared of
[01:04] <kwwii> Riddell: taking a 14 color pic, scaling it, and then adding extra text to it is simply too much
[01:04] <kwwii> but the kubuntu stuff should be about final, or?
[01:04] <kwwii> I wonder how the syslinux pic looks like
[01:05] <kwwii> there is a test program somewhere in the gfxboot stuff, I think
[01:05] <Riddell> kwwii: I don't understand why it makes it look bad, the "beta" text doesn't contain any new colours
[01:05] <kwwii> Riddell: well, it changes the weight of which color is used most
[01:06] <kwwii> Riddell: and therefor effects the alpha (anti-aliasing) to indexed color conversion
[01:07] <kwwii> Riddell: of course, I could make it *really* nasty block text after doing the colormapping
[01:08] <kwwii> s/effects/affects
[01:09] <kwwii> the question that we haven't answered yet (and I guess I am the only person thinking about it) is whether or not the colormaps for all pics fit the programs
[01:09] <Riddell> ok, I need to work out how to do that again
[01:09] <kwwii> if we have made a mistake and some important text is really dark blue on a black bg it will be considered a major bug
[01:10] <kwwii> believe me, I have been there and done
[01:10] <kwwii> that
[01:11] <kwwii> the colormap for the Usplash is good, we tested that
[01:12] <kwwii> but I do not know what other stuff is used
[01:12] <kwwii> I have only installed twice
[01:12] <kwwii> :-)
[01:12] <kwwii> time to buy my wife a new computer :-)
[01:12] <OdyX> kwwii: XD
[01:14] <kwwii> a simple cheap intel machine is what I need
[01:14] <kwwii> anyway....
[01:14] <kwwii> Riddell: is grub using a pic now or is it text?
[01:16] <kwwii> Riddell: and do you know if there is any text shown when you first boot from the CD? (syslinux)
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, syslinux has a menu now
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: grub doesn't use a picture
[01:17] <kwwii> I put black as the first entry in the colormap but I think that grub and syslinux want white to be the last entry as well
[01:18] <kwwii> and we have it at 8 for the Usplash
[01:18] <kwwii> so I would need to change that for those pics, if that is the case
[01:18] <kwwii> but I do not know the packages for *buntu
[01:20] <kwwii> I am sure that someone will scream if it the first beta is borked because of that :-)
[01:22] <Riddell> kwwii: on kubuntu non-beta the "ok" white text is not white
[01:22] <Riddell> it's a dark blue
[01:22] <Riddell> on kubuntu beta it is white
[01:22] <kwwii> Riddell: we are talking about the Usplash, right?
[01:23] <Riddell> yes
[01:24] <kwwii> ok, I should be able to fix that, one second
[01:24] <kwwii> hehe, I forgot to add the white to the pic
[01:24] <kwwii> oops
[01:24] <kwwii> see, that is why I wanted to test this stuff
[01:25] <Riddell> same for the ubuntu pics, no white
[01:25] <kwwii> ouch...I guess I thought that the beta pics were final at first
[01:25] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0498.JPG
[01:25] <kwwii> thanks for mentioning it
[01:25] <Riddell> to 502
[01:26] <kwwii> man that logo looks bad
[01:31] <kwwii> dude, the ubuntu splash stuff looks just as bad with the beta as without :-(
[01:43] <kwwii> Riddell: mail sent with new pic(s), thanks again
[01:44] <kwwii> for taking the time to test both
[01:49] <kwwii> time for bed now
[01:49] <kwwii> night all
[02:00] <fromoze> Hi, I was trying to install dapper using expresso with monday's daily-live but when I try tu chose spanish Expresso disappears.
[02:00] <Riddell> fromoze: got a backtrace?
[02:00] <fromoze> Could it be a problem with the daily-liver or expresso works actually only for an english installation?
[02:01] <Riddell> it should work fine, but wouldn't surprise me if there was a problem
[02:02] <fromoze> no, I just finished the back-up of the hd and I was looking about downloading a new version of the live in the night to play tomorrow with :D
[02:02] <Riddell> there's not been any changes
[02:02] <Riddell> but I'll look into it tomorrow
[02:03] <fromoze> then, I must insist tomorrow with a spanish installation and try to get a backtrace?
[02:03] <fromoze> I mean, isn't a feature the problem, may be a bug.
[02:04] <Riddell> yes, it'll be a bug, a backtrace would be useful
[02:04] <fromoze> Then tomorro y will try to get it
[02:04] <Riddell> thanks
[02:04] <fromoze> I wanted to reinstall to try lvm
[02:04] <fromoze> see you tomorrow ;)
[04:38] <jjesse> is there a kubuntu-devel-annoucne mailing list like there is for ubuntu-devel-announce?'
[04:54] <robotgeek> jjesse: probably not
[06:08] <robotgeek> howdy freeflying
[06:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: hi
[06:12] <robotgeek> translations seem to be going well
[06:13] <freeflying> hehe, there have lots to be done for chinese
[06:34] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: lol.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=930501&postcount=12
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:37] <Hobbsee> yes, i get that impression too.  but i liked the new acronym
[06:37] <robotgeek> yeah, funny
[06:38] <robotgeek> btw, i completed the qt frontend to EU, now making it work on dapper
[06:38] <Hobbsee> EU?
[06:38] <robotgeek> EasyUbuntu
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ah nice :)
[06:39] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: will installing gstreamer stuff on dapper Kubuntu screw something up?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i doubt it, but you never know
[06:39] <Hobbsee> dont think i've had a rpoblem before..
[06:50] <hendry> is there someplace i can see the kdebase changelog online?
[06:55] <hendry> aha https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+changelog
[06:57] <freeflying> hendry: subscribe to dapper-changes mailing list
[06:57] <hendry> freeflying: ok
[07:09] <freeflying> robotgeek: there are lots linux basics in kubuntu desktopguide , such as the explaining of dircections , basic cammand
[07:11] <hendry> freeflying: do you use skim?
[07:11] <hendry> it still seem broken in my daily
[07:12] <robotgeek> freeflying: yes, same as in the ubuntu desktopguide
[07:13] <freeflying> hendry: ya
[07:13] <freeflying> robotgeek: it's about 1/7 of the whole , quite lots
[07:13] <freeflying> hendry: skim works smoothly on my daily upgrade system
[07:14] <robotgeek> freeflying: well, just basics :P
[08:35] <_Sime> Riddell: version 0.6.5 of guidance is now up ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[10:47] <superstoned> just tried ubuntu. looks great (amazingly cool theme, tough the icons still suck), and it's fast. pitty they are held back by firefox - slow and not good looking.
[10:47] <superstoned> kubuntu interferes with ubuntu, btw - icons, style...
[10:47] <superstoned> and its even another user...
[10:48] <superstoned> ubuntu throws all apps in the menu without submenu's so it gets crowded there.
[10:48] <superstoned> gonnay try the menu editor in a few minutes ;-)
[10:50] <superstoned> rythmbox has a nice interface, but after a few minutes i already get annoyed. doesn't resume playing, search doesn't work very well, clicking the close while it is in systray doesn't minimize to systray but quit - that's ok, but its not configurable so my music stops now and then...
[10:52] <superstoned> doesn't show koffice in office menu
[10:52] <superstoned> and its much slower on resizing a window, flickers like hell...
[10:52] <superstoned> hmmmm, am i *subconsiously* looking for problems? ;-)
[10:55] <superstoned> LOVE the look, btw
[10:55] <superstoned> and the automatically resizing tab's in the terminal are cool. btw windows/style look really good.
[10:56] <superstoned> but i NEED an always on top button on the windeco - no way i can find to change it. THATs something i love in KDE: you always know where to change stuff: want to change something? right mouse click on it, preferences - there it is. works almost always. almost never in gnome :(
[11:00] <Tm_T> superstoned: yeah
[11:01] <Tm_T> superstoned: and then again, too often new users doesn't seem to know there's more than one button in mouse
[11:01] <Tm_T> :p
[11:01] <superstoned> hmmm
[11:01] <superstoned> well, i can't live with it
[11:01] <superstoned> this goes as every time i used gnome - love it at first sight, after 5 min i discover nothing works the way I WANT IT
[11:02] <Tm_T> superstoned: Gnome is... agh, it's somewhat nice but yet restrictive
[11:02] <Tm_T> superstoned: golden cage
[11:04] <Riddell> _Sime: cool, although it'll have to wait until after beta release
[11:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: morning :)
[12:16] <Tm_kde4> whooosh
[12:19] <_Sime> Riddell: I was afraid of that...
[12:20] <Tm_T> hmm, no cmake in repositories? :O
[12:20] <Tm_T> ah there is
[12:20] <Tm_T> old one :p
[12:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: freeflying did an UVFe, not sure what came of it
[12:21] <Tm_T> oh ok
[12:22] <Tm_T> anyway, current cmake used in KDE4 development(?), 2.3.4-* something, has one little but painful issue: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2006-April/002449.html
[12:23] <Tm_T> I ended up moving some files in and out
[12:25] <Lure> Riddell: why is koffice kept back for me (I have used 1.5 repo)
[12:26] <Riddell> Lure: no idea
[12:27] <Lure> Riddell: apt-get install koffice tels me:
[12:27] <Lure> koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:27] <Lure> (and same for other dependant packages)
[12:28] <Lure> Riddell: nothing urgent, I just get annoyed by this Attention sign in the tray (adept_notifier) ;-)
[12:45] <freeflying> Tm_T: Riddell I've pinged dholbach for cmake's UVFe , hope it can be approved this time
[12:45] <Tm_T> yay!
[12:45] <Tm_T> sounds good
[12:45] <Tm_T> freeflying: I hope it's not that problematic version
[12:46] <freeflying> Tm_T: upstream author have said he will release 2.4 soon , hope it can be soon
[12:47] <Tm_T> aah, good good
[12:51] <Riddell> freeflying: do you think we can move /usr/lib/libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8 to scim-gtk2-immodule ?
[12:51] <Riddell> that would stop skim bringing in gtk/pango/etc
[01:00] <freeflying> Riddell: just a moment
[01:21] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we talked with minghua .
[01:23] <Riddell> freeflying: sure
[01:23] <Riddell> when he's around
[01:23] <freeflying> Riddell: but haven't seen him here for a long time
[02:34] <superstoned> Tm_T
[02:34] <superstoned> exactly, golden cage
[02:34] <superstoned> :D
[02:34] <Riddell> hello patwack
[02:34] <Tm_T> superstoned: yeah
[02:35] <superstoned> has some nice things, may VERY well done config dialogues, many better than KDE (kde dev's could just have a peek at how the gnomes did layout some dialogues, and KDE would be more usable in a short time. tough the KDE devs are already improving here)
[02:36] <superstoned> problem:  /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_cups.so: undefined symbol:_ZN13KMCupsManager20slotConnectionFailedEi (when trying to print). i need to log out and in again?
[02:38] <Riddell> superstoned: hmm
[02:38] <superstoned> there ARE new KDE packages, i'm installing them now.
[02:38] <Riddell> what new packages?
[02:38] <superstoned> but as i do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade a few times a day, they can't be old :D
[02:39] <superstoned> kdelibs (0ubuntu6), some xorg, ubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <superstoned> i'll try to log out and in again, we'll see how it goes then.
[02:40] <superstoned> (after installation - almost finished)
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs-bin (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ...
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs4c2a (3.5.2-0ubuntu6)
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs4-dev (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ...
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) .
[02:40] <superstoned> ready
[02:42] <superstoned> didnt even have to log out
[02:42] <superstoned> its fixed now
[02:42] <superstoned> maybe just ksycoca needed to run or something like that
[02:42] <superstoned> it works now anyway, sorry Riddell :D
[02:44] <OdyX> Riddell: I have some broken packages (koffice)...
[02:44] <OdyX> Could it be due to Tonio's repo ?
[03:11] <Lure> OdyX: is not Tonio's repo, but do you also use koffice15 repo?
[03:12] <OdyX> Lure: I do.
[03:12] <Lure> me to and have same problem...
[03:13] <Lure> maybe something went into main repo and is now in conflict with koffice15 repo...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: what problem is this?
[03:13] <OdyX> koffice is in version 1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1 and requests k[all-components]  with that version, but they don't exist.
[03:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: koffice is kept back
[03:13] <Lure> if you try to install, you get this
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:13] <Lure> koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:13] <Lure> (many messages like this)
[03:14] <Riddell> Lure: dapper or breezy?
[03:15] <OdyX> Riddell: Dapper, with koffice-latest and Tonio's repos
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[03:17] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[03:18] <Riddell> well for some reason the other 1.1 packages didn't upload, how strange
[03:18] <OdyX> Riddell: We do have only koffice ...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> there were other people who reported problems with the koffice too, installing ones.  i dont remember what they were, right this minute, though
[03:20] <Riddell> OdyX: yeah, probably my fault although I'm not sure how, anyway I'm uploading the rest now
[03:20] <OdyX> Riddell: Good :D
[03:21] <Hobbsee> have they gotten any further with the exception for main yet?  or is that still waiting?
[03:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no response yet
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[03:23] <Tm_T> me?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> you?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> what about you?
[03:24] <Tm_T> ...I don't know
[03:24] <Tm_T> just thought you should remember me?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oh...well...yeah...like i remember everyone else here...
[03:25] <Tm_T> :p
[03:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: some day you'll understand part of my humour, tiny part :p
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: oh i do now, really.  i've just been to work tonight, and that always involves some form of harrassment...
[03:26] <Lure> Riddell: dapper
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oh!!!
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:26] <Riddell> hmm?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> woo!  brain has come back!
[03:27] <Hobbsee> is kwifimanager going to be depreciated, now that knetworkmanager has come out?  what should we do with those bug reports?
[03:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: oh, that doesn't sound fun
[03:27] <jjesse> i like knetworkmanager :)
[03:27] <Riddell> plan is for wlassistant to replace kwifimanager
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jjesse: so do i!  it works
[03:27] <Riddell> knetworkmanager won't be on the CD as I understand it (following network-manager-gnome)
[03:27] <Lure> jjesse: good - have just seen your update to KubuntuDapperBeta - nice that your are taking care of this
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...and so the kwifimanager bugs should be closed, saying "use wlassistant instead"?
[03:28] <jjesse> Lure: thanks, i'm trying to stay on top of it
[03:28] <Hobbsee> or should they be properly fixed?
[03:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not yet, it's not in main yet
[03:28] <jjesse> Hobbsee: it helps when i travel to different branch offices and need to switch subnets
[03:28] <Lure> jjesse: do you plan to include screenshots? should we send you some?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which isnt in main, wlassistant?
[03:28] <Riddell> yes, wlassistant is waiting on a main inclusion review
[03:28] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, anyone use kppp here?
[03:30] <jjesse> i haven't tried to get my modem to work so i don't use kppp as well
[03:30] <Riddell> just like they get ignored in KDE too, it's a shame
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mmm ok...so set to need info, asking if they're reproducable now?
[03:32] <Riddell> since nothing has changed with kppp any problems people have will likely still be there
[03:32] <Hobbsee> lol...poor
[03:33] <Riddell> it's the sort of thing that's pretty difficult for us to debug
[03:33] <Hobbsee> that's true
[03:52] <kwwii> Riddell: so the next thing I will make is the adept icon for the panel
[03:55] <Riddell> kwwii: cool
[04:04] <Riddell> superstoned: how is printing working for you now?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ping?
[04:41] <jjesse> Hobbsee: pong
[04:42] <Hobbsee> jjesse: about where to find kubuntu bugs - the bugs are done by source packages.  so either search for bugs assigned to kubuntu-bugs (you miss some that way, but it's a good start), or search for each of the kde metapacakges - eg. kdepim, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdebase, etc
[04:42] <Hobbsee> at least, that's all i've found so far
[04:42] <Hobbsee> there's ones for amarok, and kaffeine as well
[04:42] <jjesse> Hobbsee: thanks
[04:42] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not a problem :)
[04:43] <freeflying> Riddell: we'd better mail to debian's mailing list for a discuss (libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8.1.0 issue)
[04:44] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, ok
[04:45] <freeflying> Riddell: this will be better<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:46] <Riddell> freeflying: can yu do that?
[04:46] <Riddell> s/yu/you/
[04:46] <Hobbsee> night all..
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: you know I'm not good at English , I don't know if I can sxpress clearly  :)
[05:05] <Riddell> what was the system settings admin problem people were having?
[05:07] <Tm_T> there's one thing annoying me, when I rightclick desktop -> Configure Desktop -> ...there's no more monitor settings
[05:07] <Tm_T> oh well, not big problem, but got used to it :)
[05:07] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Admin problems, again? :-)
[05:08] <Riddell> cmvo: not sure, people were talking about something the other day but I can't find it now
[05:08] <Riddell> guidance seems to not let you click Apply when something has changed
[05:09] <cmvo> Riddell: I saw something scrolling by yesterday, but didn't have the time to ask.
[05:10] <cmvo> Riddell: Hm, must admit, I never tried guidance, I'll have to take a closer look.
[05:12] <MidMark> Riddell: sometimes "apply" button isn't visible because the window is too small by default, but I think it's another problem
[05:16] <Riddell> _Sime: any comments on this?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/27457
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27457 in kdebase kdm "on logout X should restart if xorg.conf was changed since last X login" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[05:16] <Riddell> I think it already was the case
[05:16] <Riddell> MidMark: yes, that's different
[05:17] <superstoned> riddell: about printing: after clicking on 'print' i get: "An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes" but it goes on and works fine.
[05:22] <cmvo> Riddell: userconfig seems to work creating an deleting user accounts. But it complains about "Double QObject deletion" on exit.
[05:23] <freeflying> Riddell: can zeroconf works now ?
[05:31] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, if you install avahi-daemon
[05:35] <MidMark> ops, sorry
[05:47] <cmvo> Riddell: BTW, the new colors and background are looking good, at lot less gloomy.
[05:47] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[05:47] <jeroenvrp> quick question
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> I try to mount a ntfs-usb-drive
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> it only mounts readonly
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> i've installed the ntfstools
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> still readonly
[05:48] <Riddell> cmvo: yeah, hug kwwii
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> how to mount it read-write?
[05:48] <robotgeek> jeroenvrp: umask stuff, i would guess
[05:48] <Riddell> robotgeek: no
[05:49] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: -o rw or the like
[05:49] <robotgeek> hmm, okay
[05:49] <Riddell> but it might need linux modules, I'm not sure
[05:49] <Riddell> it's also not a kubuntu-devel question :)
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/sdb1/
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> yeah yeah :-)
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Read-only file system
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> not anymore, but it doesnt work
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> :-(
[05:53] <jeroenvrp>  /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[05:54] <cmvo> jeroenvrp: If it hasn't changed recently ntfs in linux is read-only.
[05:54] <jjesse> Riddell: will espresso be the installer for beta and if so how do i get screen shots of it to post on KubuntuDapperBeta ?
[05:55] <jeroenvrp> cmvo: I thoughr the ntfstools can make it read write
[05:56] <Riddell> jjesse: on the live CD it will be yes
[05:56] <Riddell> jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/espresso/screenshots/  but I'll try and take some more up to date ones in a bit
[05:58] <jdong> cmvo: using libntfs in fuse offers decent read-write
[05:58] <kwwii> Riddell: what resolution did you make those screenshots at?
[05:58] <jdong> it'll seemingly randomly refuse to do some actions, but I've yet to have it corrupt....
[05:59] <kwwii> Riddell: and did you resize the window or does it always pop up with those proportions?
[06:01] <Riddell> kwwii: 1024x786 and that's what it opens as
[06:03] <cmvo> jeroenvrp: ntfsprogs/tools contains ntfsmount, maybe take a look at that. but this is getting too OT :-)
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> cmvo: yes I've been there, I'm reading the manual right now of linux-ntfs
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> wont bother you anymore
[06:05] <cmvo> kwwii: Hi! The new colors and background look very good.
[06:08] <Riddell> mornfall: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667407  some adept queries on kubuntu-devel mailing list recently
[06:10] <verwilst> i like the new colors too :)
[06:10] <verwilst> they're blue... but a happy blue
[06:10] <verwilst> :)
[06:10] <verwilst> add polyester and i'm sold ;)
[06:10] <Riddell> koffice archive should be fixed
[06:16] <superstoned> verwilst, kwii love to see polyester, too ;-)
[06:23] <Riddell> kwwii: new todo for you :)  Espresso icon, crystalise http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.svg
[06:24] <kwwii> cmvo: thanks, good to hear that people like it!
[06:24] <kwwii> Riddell: cool :-)
[06:26] <kwwii> Riddell: I assume we want a kubuntu logo instead of the orange ubuntu one?
[06:27] <kwwii> for the espresso icon, I mean
[06:28] <kwwii> hehe, at least jimmac took the big red Novell "N" off the box ;-)
[06:31] <Riddell> kwwii: yes please
[06:32] <jeroenvrp> seems like my kernel (k7) has only support for read-only ntfs:  NTFS driver 2.1.25 [Flags: R/O MODULE] .
[06:43] <fromoze> Riddell: ping
[06:44] <Riddell> hi fromoze
[06:44] <fromoze> hi, espresso has crash again,
[06:44] <fromoze> did I send you by mail the log?
[06:44] <fromoze> or just pastebin it? - i'm on live-cd now -
[06:44] <Riddell> fromoze: can you apt-get update && apt-get install espresso espresso-frontend-kde
[06:45] <Riddell> make sure it's installing at least version .52
[06:46] <fromoze>  0.99.50 <-- i'm trying to upgrade
[06:46] <Tonio_> hey
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: beta1 released in a couple of days now.... shouldn't we ping people to get at least knetworkmanager and kmplayer in main ?
[06:48] <Tonio_> I though knetworkmanager was supposed to fit on the live cd...
[06:49] <Tonio_> sounds a bit frustratig since network-manager-gnome went in main without any inclusion report and in a couple of days only........
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's too late for beta, we're in heavy freeze now until beta release is done
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: pitti did say he'd do them last week, but I guess not
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I think we will not have anything in main if we don't push it a bit :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> everyone is on bugfixing actually....
[06:50] <Tonio_> gnome isn't supposed to receive new main packages, so maybe they just "forgot" kde
[06:51] <Tonio_> and thanks for k-d-s uploading too :)
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll poke pitti again at the distro meeting, but there's only so much poking we can do
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: true.........
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> sorry to bother you again, but
[06:54] <jeroenvrp> I've found the solution
[06:54] <jeroenvrp> you also have to install fuse-utils
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> so fuse-utils should be a dependency of ntfsprogs
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> its not
[06:55] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: solution to what ?
[06:56] <fromoze> Riddell: well, updating I can get the step 3 and it reconices my selected locale, I continue
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: that I could not mount a usb ntfs-drive readwrite
[06:56] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: what is your kernel version actually ?
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> Linux k-uptown 2.6.15-20-k7
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> oops my hostname
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> ah you my ip
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> thats the same
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, its not a kernel-problem
[06:57] <Tonio_> should be supported yes
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> but a missed dependency of ntfs-progs
[06:57] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: contact the package maintainer :)
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> it should also install fuse-utils
[06:57] <fromoze> Riddell: but, not photo at all
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> yeah I will
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[06:58] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: David Martnez Moreno<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:58] <Tonio_> and for ubuntu...... let me check
[06:58] <Riddell> fromoze: photo?
[06:58] <fromoze> map
[06:59] <fromoze> I mean, to chose the town
[06:59] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: same guy concerning the ubuntu package
[07:00] <Riddell> fromoze: no, the map isn't implemented yet
[07:00] <Riddell> fromoze: but can you choose it from the drop down box?
[07:00] <cmvo> Riddell: It does not seem to be an admin mode problem with the guidance modules. Just the feedback from the
[07:01] <fromoze> Riddell: yes, but, I can't change the date...
[07:01] <cmvo> Riddell: modules doesn't reach system settings and apply is not activated.
[07:01] <fromoze> It crash, I'm gonna check the log
[07:02] <Riddell> cmvo: from any modules?
[07:04] <cmvo> Riddell: I seems only the four guidance modules.'
[07:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: since you removed the system:/ patch, openoffice causes issues when opening files again.......
[07:06] <Riddell> I wonder if the new guidance will fix that
[07:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb on my profile, but on a new one, it crashes
[07:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, I have a patch for openoffice but it's not in yet
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you patch desktop files ? I was just making a working patch for this :)
[07:07] <cmvo> Riddell: s/I/It/ :-)
[07:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice :)
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: and concerning adept, any news from mornfall ? cause I have a solution, but that might sound weird ;)
[07:08] <Tonio_> remove any arguments in the command in desktop files, and that works nicelly
[07:08] <mornfall> concerning mornfall, he's back from vacation
[07:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: ho you're there ;)
[07:08] <Riddell> yay :)
[07:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: fine ?
[07:08] <mornfall> concerning .desktop, that's a workaround that i know about :-))
[07:08] <mornfall> i'll enable it for final release if noone finds out why it really happens
[07:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: I'd like to understand what are those arguments usefull to ?
[07:09] <cmvo> Riddell: I got guidance 0.6.4, are newer packages available somewhere?
[07:09] <Tonio_> just for my personnal knowledge :)
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: it's a matter of principle, there's a latent bug in either adept or kdesu or somewhere
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: i would like to have it *fixed*, not worked around
[07:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: it may jump out at me in a much worse form later
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: so workaround is known and can be used if the cause is not found
[07:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: I was just wondering what about ;) thanks for the explanation :)
[07:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: as for parameters, they are there to make it possible to customize icon in .desktop file
[07:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: without them, the icon would be hardcoded in binary
[07:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: ah ok !
[07:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: so you would get different icon in taskbar than in menu
[07:10] <mornfall> which is not too nice
[07:11] <Riddell> cmvo: newer source is available from simonzone.com, I haven't packaged it yet
[07:11] <Tonio_> mornfall: yup
[07:11] <Riddell> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[07:11] <mornfall> but it's not too widespread to have it changed from default, so not critical
[07:11] <fromoze> Riddell: Neither in spanish or english I can change date, feature?
[07:12] <Riddell> fromoze: change what data?
[07:12] <Riddell> oh, date
[07:12] <mornfall> so i'll have to run now
[07:12] <Riddell> fromoze: using the button?
[07:12] <mornfall> be back in, hmm, 30? maybe 20
[07:12] <fromoze> Riddell: yes
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: is systemsettings in dapper the latest ?
[07:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did an SVN snapshot last week
[07:12] <Tonio_> cause there is one or two desktop files that miss french translation, I may change that
[07:13] <Riddell> the desktop files come from kcontrol
[07:13] <Tonio_> for example appearence is still in english, but the content of the section is now correctly localized
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: so there is a bug ;)
[07:13] <Riddell> fromoze: probably my fault, I'll test that once these live CDs have finished downloading
[07:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: does system settings have a french translation?
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, let me show you
[07:17] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png
[07:17] <cmvo> verwilst: polyester looks nice. do you know if packages for polyester 0.9 are available?
[07:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning guidance modules, I translated them this WE
[07:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: but there are still a few desktop files that are not localised
[07:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: guidance modules will need to wait for 0.6.15 which will be after beta
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: as long as it is ok for june ;)
[07:20] <Riddell> the other ones I'm not sure about, they may be systemsetting's doing
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm investigating
[07:23] <Riddell> yes, it's /usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-appearance.directory
[07:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot
[07:26] <Riddell> fromoze: hmm, "Set Time..." works for me, it loads the kcontrol time modules
[07:27] <fromoze> Riddell: not for me :(
[07:27] <fromoze> in spanish at least
[07:27] <Riddell> fromoze: any error message in /var/log/installer/espresso ?
[07:28] <fromoze> I copy it in pastebit
[07:29] <fromoze> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667571
[07:30] <verwilst> cmvo: 0.6.5 is the last one
[07:30] <verwilst> ask a UVF exception thingy?
[07:30] <Riddell> fromoze: what city did you select?
[07:30] <fromoze> Madrid
[07:31] <fromoze> Riddell: Madrid, in English, it works
[07:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: translating :)
[07:31] <fromoze> Riddell: and, once it has work in english... in spanish to! :/
[07:32] <fromoze> s/to/too
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: it that part of the translation linked to the pot file ? cause I remember I already gave you the french translation for this....
[07:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .pot files
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[07:33] <Riddell> er no
[07:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .desktop files
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[07:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's no desktop_playground-base.po for fr in SVN
[07:34] <Tonio_> will be done in a couple of minutes
[07:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't the first pot only maybe
[07:35] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:35] <Riddell> most of them are
[07:35] <Riddell> but not the .desktop file .pos
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, just kidding :)
[07:35] <fromoze> Riddell: Even, I cancel the installation and restart it in spanish and "Establecer Fecha" works again. Can I continue the installation or did you need more info?
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: fyi: I've mailed the ntfsprogs maintainer
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: most universe patched applications are not
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a plan for universe apps before dapper+1 ?
[07:35] <Riddell> fromoze: "Establecer Fecha" is "Set Time"?
[07:36] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: great ;)
[07:36] <fromoze> Riddell: yes
[07:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: not for dapper, I don't know about after you'd need to ask carlos
[07:36] <Riddell> fromoze: ok thanks, I'll test that some more
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will thanks :) let you work now
[07:37] <fromoze> Riddell: if you want me to do something, may be reboot and try again?
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will ping pitti for koffice-i18n packages to be added to language packs
[07:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, don't
[07:38] <Riddell> fromoze: yes, sure, let me know what happens
[07:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: koffice UFVe exception decision will be taken after beta release
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell:  ? you asked me too a few days ago, did something change ?
[07:39] <fromoze> Riddell: i Reboot
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that could concern koffice 1.4 since we have krita in actually too no ?
[07:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: then carlos will upload the correct koffice ones to rosetta
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki :)
[07:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: it was discussed in #ubuntu-devel the other day
[07:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: understood :)
[07:41] <Riddell> Lure: koffice archive should be fixed
[07:41] <Lure> Riddell: thanks, will check now
[07:43] <Lure> btw, kword 1.5 is much better in terms of stability - it does not crash on most of MS .doc documents I need to open during the day
[07:45] <jeroenvrp> Lure: but OOo still has better support voor doc-files, like writing to it.
[07:48] <Lure> jeroenvrp: I do not use it for writing - I still need to use VMPlayer with real office fo that :-(
[07:49] <Lure> but for my simple documents Koffice is just great
[07:49] <jeroenvrp> Lure: OOo can write with almost no problems, never had any real problems with it, especially not with 2.0.*
[07:49] <jeroenvrp> Lure: but this is more a question dor #kubuntu
[07:50] <Lure> jeroenvrp: I had and I can not afford to send .doc to customer that do not open in his old/new Office...
[07:58] <fromoze> Riddell: Last try I haven't do a dist-upgrade, just install espresso and espresso-frontend-kde and the I let upgrading in a shell because maximize-buttom on kwin looks broken and I see an artwork upgrade. This time I do dist-upgrade before trying espresso and I "time set" has work using spanish. Sorry, it was my fault.
[08:11] <allee> FWIW: after today update everytime I start print dialog I get a dialog: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes. So something changed between Thursday and today
[08:12] <allee> click on [ok]  on the error dialog and printing works still fine
[08:18] <_Sime> Riddell: did you upload the .pot file for guidance to rosetta?
[08:20] <Riddell> _Sime: it should be in the guidance sounce package as I remember
[08:21] <Riddell> in which case it'll get imported into rosetta this week
[08:21] <_Sime> I just noticed that it was on rosetta; I didn't upload it there yet. So I was just wondering.
[08:21] <_Sime> I also updated the pot file in the guidance tarball.
[08:21] <Lure> allee: same here
[08:22] <Lure> I think kdeprint patches are still work in progress, but Riddell should know more...
[08:26] <fromoze> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667677<-- it looks I finally can't install dapper from the live :/ It crashes; I'm using a sata hd, but I can't uderstand what's the error on the log
[08:39] <allee> Lure: thx. good to know it's not a local problem ;)  I hope KDEPrint is fixed in time and something better than cups beta1 (rc2 is out already) will be ready for dapper ;)
[08:40] <Lure> allee: I have seen that pitti is already testing rc2 and he got deveeloper working on fixing kde print - looking good
[08:42] <allee> Lure: whow!  Great news!  Looks like I'll change our printer server from sarge to dapper ASAP :)
[08:44] <kmon> jjesse: hi, I have a small suggestion for this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta
[08:45] <kmon> jjesse: you should include a brief section on system settings. It's far more usable in dapper than in breezy, and it brings the brand new guidance display module
[08:46] <kmon> jjesse: also, I think espresso-kde could fit in :)
[08:46] <kmon> I understand it's a work in progress.... just giving suggestions
[08:46] <kmon> :)
[08:49] <jjesse> kmon: thanks, it is still a work in prgoress so i will keep looking into it
[08:50] <kmon> jjesse: nice
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm a bit embarrased with "Panel"
[09:03] <Tonio_> it is untranslatable in french, and concerning the content of that module, I don't see the difference with "desktop"
[09:05] <Tonio_> in kcontrol everything is in two modules, while we use 3 for systemsettings... and I don't understand the reason they have been splitted
[09:14] <kwwii> Riddell: I doubt that we can put the adept box icon in the triangle and make it work at 22x22 and 16x16 (the normal panel sizes))
[09:14] <kwwii> talking about the adept updater icon of course
[09:15] <kwwii> I will try to make a adept box icon with the triangle more like an emblem on top of it
[09:46] <Flosoft> hey
[09:46] <Flosoft> is there any news bout the Release of Kubuntu Dapper?
[09:46] <kwwii> Flosoft: what kind of news?
[09:47] <Flosoft> well release date?
[09:47] <Flosoft> as I am mirroring it ... so it would be great to get some news bout the release
[09:48] <kwwii> google gives me this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[09:48] <kmon> Flosoft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta
[09:48] <kmon> maybe that's what you where looking after?
[09:48] <Flosoft> ok
[09:48] <kmon> It's a work in progress btw
[09:48] <Flosoft> yup
[09:48] <Flosoft> June 2006
[09:49] <Lure> mornfall: ping
[09:50] <kwwii> omg, I have been installing this on my production machine!
[09:51] <Lure> kwwii: hope that it is production quality ;-)
[09:52] <_Sime> Dapper has been solid for me. Perhaps (much) better than Breezy already.
[09:53] <kwwii> Lure: to some extent I came into this whole thing pretty late in the game (which I amused to from other linux companies)...I hope that the artwork turns out well
[09:53] <kmon> Dapper is coming out great :)
[09:53] <kwwii> s/amused/am used
[09:54] <Lure> kwwii: it is turning better and better with each update...
[09:54] <kwwii> sometimes I think my proper title would be art-terrorist"
[09:54] <Lure> lol
[09:54] <jjesse> the release notes are current for whoever was looking for information
[09:55] <kwwii> "change this pic after hard freeze or I will ruin your dist.!"
[09:56] <kwwii> random acts of spontaneous and unprovoked artwork
[09:59] <kmon> kwwii: lol
[10:08] <kmon> is there any way to configure the positioning of kde's notifications? like kopete's?
[10:08] <Tonio_> chut le voila :)
[10:11] <kmon> it would be nice to have those notifications above kicker
[10:13] <kwwii> kmon, good point
[10:13] <kwwii> with my laptop, using gimpl and such, I changed the position of the amarok notifications because it covered my windows every 5 minutes
[10:14] <kwwii> I mean, one click and it is gone, but when I am concentrating on something it sucks
[10:15] <kmon> They aren't very visible on current position
[10:16] <kmon> I would love to have amarok's notification instead of current ones, all over kde
[10:16] <kmon> :)
[10:16] <kmon> they look better
[10:17] <toma> kmon: the standard kPassivePopup appears near the tray icon, there is no influence possible, unless writing you your own class based on that class
[10:18] <kmon> :/
[10:18] <kmon> when I have kmail minimized in tray and mail arrives the notification shows in the upper right corner of my desktop...
[10:19] <kwwii> yeah, amarok is a killer app in that it takes a step ahead
[10:19] <toma> kmon: i remember the maintainer of that class asking for features for kde4. So contact him about it.
[10:19] <kwwii> I love amarok
[10:19] <kmon> mmm
[10:20] <toma> kmon: dont understand that. I thought the new mail counts was in the icon in the tray
[10:20] <toma> -s
[10:20] <kmon> yes
[10:20] <mornfall> Lure: pong
[10:20] <kmon> but I've configured kmail to show a notification when new mail arrives
[10:20] <mornfall> Lure: 5 minutes or so
[10:21] <kmon> and it appears in the upper right corner when kmail in minimized in the tray
[10:21] <Lure> mornfall: how add/remove programs decides what goes in KDE, what in GNOME and what in Other?
[10:21] <toma> ah, ok, and that pops up at the top, while your tray is at the bottom?
[10:21] <mornfall> Lure: debtags
[10:21] <Lure> kpowersave is in other, for example
[10:21] <kmon> toma: yes
[10:21] <mornfall> Lure: it's not tagged/wrongly tagged then
[10:21] <mornfall> Lure: debtags.alioth.debian.org
[10:22] <Lure> mornfall: thanks, will look into this and try to fix it for some packages.
[10:22] <mornfall> Lure: or debtags help
[10:23] <mornfall> Lure: debtags tag add kpowersave suite::kde
[10:23] <mornfall> Lure: debtags submit
[10:23] <Lure> mornfall: thanks - will do this!
[10:23] <mornfall> Lure: you can add/rm a lot and submit at once
[10:24] <mornfall> Lure: changes are stored in ~/.debtags/patch
[10:24] <kmon> kwwii: amarok rocks, can't wait to see what they're planning for kde4
[10:25] <kmon> well... I can't wait for kd4 itself
[10:25] <toma> kmon: is that detailed new mail notification?
[10:25] <kmon> toma: ?
[10:26] <toma> kmon: can you show me where that setting is?
[10:27] <kwwii> among other things, I am working on the oxygen icons for kde4, so I am know what you mean about "I can't wait" :-))
[10:27] <kwwii> lol
[10:27] <kmon> toma: In system settings-> Sound & multimedia -> system notifications. Select kmail from the drop down list
[10:28] <kmon> kwwii:  are you going to show off some of that work or leave it as a trade secret until kde4 preview?
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:29] <jjesse> Riddell: did you get my email about kubuntu docs spec?
[10:30] <toma> kmon: ah, thats not kmail specific...
[10:32] <kwwii> kmon: we are about a month or two away from the first pre-release
[10:32] <kwwii> pre-release release
[10:32] <kwwii> :-)=
[10:32] <kmon> :)
[10:32] <kwwii> well, we will put it into svn and make it downloadable as theme
[10:32] <kwwii> etc
[10:33] <kwwii> basically we want to make sure that we have all major, important icons done before we release anything
[10:35] <kmon> I understand
[10:35] <kmon> my problem is that I want kde4 now :)
[10:35] <kwwii> hehe
[10:36] <toma> kwwii: two months? thats optimistic
[10:36] <kwwii> kmon: you've seen the stuff on the oxygen-icons.org or? that is a small preview
[10:37] <kwwii> toma: well, we have been doing a lot recently
[10:37] <kwwii> and we are going to meet for a week to do nothing but draw
[10:37] <kwwii> :-)
[10:37] <kmon> I saw a blog from (you?) about the development of oxygen
[10:37] <kwwii> so I think that we can make it
[10:37] <kwwii> probably
[10:37] <kmon> its looking good
[10:37] <kwwii> me, or david or nuno
[10:37] <toma> kwwii: cool! keep up the good work!
[10:38] <kwwii> well, maybe three months
[10:38] <kwwii> :-)
[10:38] <kwwii> we will meet in the first week of june or the last week of may
[10:38] <kwwii> depending on how much work is still due for dapper
[10:39] <kmon> how is espresso-kde comming along?
[10:40] <kwwii> kmon: are you asking me that?
[10:40] <kwwii> :-)
[10:40] <kmon> I'm asking anyone who knows :)
[10:40] <kwwii> actually, after I saw the screenshots I made some mockups for how it could be improved graphically
[10:40] <kmon> I'm sorry for not being too clear
[10:41] <kwwii> but nobody has seen them yet :-)
[10:41] <kmon> ohh
[10:41] <kwwii> there are nifty screenshots
[10:41] <kmon> hehe
[10:46] <kmon> kwwii: show them to Riddell :)
[10:48] <kwwii> kmon: oh, I will, don't worry
[10:48] <kwwii> but I think it would be better to let him get this beta out the door first
[10:48] <kmon> sure
[10:49] <kmon> it's my "can't wait" syndrome
[10:49] <kwwii> hehe
[10:49] <kwwii> I can understand that
[10:51] <kmon> for kde4, do you kde artists plan to redo the main website?
[10:51] <kmon> artwork wise
[10:51] <kwwii> hehe
[10:51] <kwwii> you know all the good questions
[10:51] <kmon> hehe
[10:51] <kwwii> that is a very political issue
[10:52] <kwwii> which I cannot answer
[10:52] <kmon> I know al the "trade secret" questions?
[10:52] <kwwii> even though I could tell you what I would like to do :-)
[10:52] <kwwii> but that might not reflect the opinions of others
[10:52] <kmon> I understand...
[10:52] <kmon> but I think it needs a revamp
[10:53] <kwwii> yeah, I think so too
[10:53] <kwwii> and now the domain is owned by someone else
[10:53] <kmon> some pictures will be nice... gnome's website looks prettier than kde's .
[10:53] <kwwii> and we got into a "discussion" about the art for 3.5 and since then things just suck
[10:54] <kwwii> oh, we are working on new templates for all kde.org sites
[10:54] <kwwii> :-)
[10:54] <kmon> nice :)
[10:54] <kwwii> it is really cool, and very different
[10:54] <verwilst> screenshots?
[10:54] <kmon> can't wait ;)
[10:55] <kwwii> nothing open yet, still discussing it with the kde-www-devel team , etc.
[10:55] <kwwii> deciding on a CMS etc
[10:55] <kwwii> which seems to take the most time
[10:56] <kwwii> we will make a test implementation for the akademy website soon
[10:57] <kwwii> so that will be the implementation of the first steps toward a new design


[02:34] <Guest251> Hi, can anyone help? I have a mac with an intel chip. using vmware fusion, I installed Kubuntu. I had difficulty installing it and once I changed the disk space to 35gb, it installed nicely. Today my mouse wouldn't work on the vm for some reason, so I restarted Kubuntu. Then I got that hated watchdog error and ugh, couldn't figure out what was
[02:34] <Guest251> wrong. I deleted the whole instance and reinstalled a new one. Still gives me the watchdog error. What am I missing? I tried kali, and just ubuntu desktop. They all just give me the error
[02:34] <Guest251> It won't even go through installation
 Can u post a screenshot?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:40] <iomari891> greetings, I still cant upgrade to 22.10 from 22.04. still complains: "Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[13:40] <iomari891> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading
[13:41] <iomari891> I have updated and upgraded many times.
[13:44] <RikMills> apt list --upgradable
[13:51] <hiragi> hi
[15:10] <dubule> Is kubuntu an ideal distro for linux workstations in an enterprise environment?
 sadly their current enterprise solution meant they could only manage to stay online on IRC for 14 mins (re @lord chencho: could work)
 Anyone tried the backport for plasma 5.26
[21:16] <R13ose> I'm using the Discord program and the icon on the panel isn't showing up, all I see is a white box with one side flapped up with a triangle inside and a exclamation mark inside that.  How do I fix that?
[21:18] <oerheks> after update, discord gets a new icon, for snaps that is.
[21:19] <oerheks> so the pinned one is no longer valid?
[21:36] <mmikowski> oerheks: I think that's what R13ose was saying. I'd definitely unpin it and run again. That likely will fix the issue.
[21:42] <R13ose> mmikowski: how do I unpin it?
[21:43] <mmikowski> Right-click on icon. Select 'Unpin from Taskmanager' at bottom.
[21:44] <mmikowski> That's assuming you have it pinned in the task manager in the panel of course :)
[21:47] <R13ose> Oops, sorry, I don't have this pinned.
[21:50] <mmikowski> R13ose: What container is it in?
[21:50] <R13ose> System tray
[21:51] <mmikowski> You probably need to completely restart the app. That will likely fix it.
[21:55] <mmikowski> Probably right-click on the icon in tray and close it.
[22:10] <R13ose> I've done that multiple times and still no icon.  I also reinstalled the snap version and still the same.
[22:12] <mmikowski> Did you restart your desktop session? If it still reappears, then there is something janky going on. I'd search to see if others are seeing it.  Best of luck - I've got to run for now.
[22:12] <R13ose> Thanks
[22:17] <totof> hey ya quelqu'un?
[22:23] <totof> c'est moi borniol!
[22:55] <ubunter> Hi! Desktop content refreshes only while moving a mouse. How to fix it? Ubuntu 22.04LTS WL+KDE+Nvidia prop.drv
[23:14] <mmikowski> ubunter: what display server - X11 or Wayland?
[23:14] <ubunter> WL
[23:14] <R13ose> I did the restart of the desktop session and I upgraded to 22.10, and still no changes.
[23:15] <mmikowski> Oh sorry,  missed that the first time :\
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> ubunter: Wayland is known to be problematic (and unsupported) on 22.04.
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> Especially with Nvidia.
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> It's available merely as experimental.
[23:19] <ubunter> Thanks! Most applications works fine. But this strange thing with desktop...
[23:52] <R13ose> I got these issues when I started the plasmashell via terminal and ran discord.  https://pastebin.com/BpGXYApu


[10:19] <nw0519230> hello, i'd like to bring this one:
[10:19] <nw0519230> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/asunder/+bug/1298567
[10:19] <nw0519230> to the attention of the appropriate people
[10:20] <nw0519230> is this the correct channel to do so?
[12:51] <j_f-f> Hi,
[12:52] <j_f-f> for the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1211091 I have build the package:
[12:52] <j_f-f> https://launchpad.net/~jff-de/+archive/finalterm
[12:53] <j_f-f> Now I'm searching a mentor.


[00:01] <InHisName> I used to go into system>etc and find things to fix it with.   UNITY is just a guessing game that I'm tired of doing all the time.     I muted, then unmuted and the sounds started playing.
[04:57] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[09:29] <InHisName1> Yum, Bacon, Good Morning SamuraiAlba
[09:29] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:33] <rmg51> morning
[09:49] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:11] <InHisName1> morning to u 2:  rmg51 and JonathanD
[10:17] <JonathanD> hey InHisName1
[10:32] <rmg51> o/
[13:27] <MutantTurkey> i love when my mom decides to unplug the router at home to "clean up all the dust bunnies dear"
[13:27] <MutantTurkey> soo...
[13:27] <MutantTurkey> then my ip gets re-assigned
[13:31] <MutantTurkey> huh wait...
[13:31] <MutantTurkey> ip is the same still
[13:31] <MutantTurkey> maybe the box is down..
[13:32] <MutantTurkey> I can ping it...?
[13:32] <MutantTurkey> would I be able to ping it if my box was down? would the router return the ping?
[13:43] <MutantTurkey> sister 100% incapable of looking at it and trouble shooting.
[13:43] <MutantTurkey> 'ARE THE BLUE LIGHTS ON' 'i don't know how to work this magic box'
[13:43] <MutantTurkey> i feel like i live in /tfts
[19:26] <JonathanD> 12.04 installed.
[19:33] <erstazi> Hello everyone. What does everyone suggest for a case management software for a social services non-profit? Something like SugarCRM but more geared towards case management.
[19:33] <pleia2> erstazi: check out CiviCRM
[19:34] <pleia2> it has case management features
[19:34] <pleia2> http://civicrm.org/features/casemanagement
[19:34] <PennBot> Title: Case Management | CiviCRM Community Site (at civicrm.org)
[19:35] <erstazi> pleia2: +1 to that one (: I already checked it. Have you used it?
[19:35] <pleia2> we've set up a demo of it running on wordpress for partimus.org, but I haven't gotten too into it
[19:36] <erstazi> pleia2: ah, thanks
[19:36] <anduril> man that sites font kerning is really off
[19:36] <erstazi> pleia2: I was going to test bed it for the non-profit but didn't want to dedicate too much time into digging into various ones. Appreciate much.
[19:37] <pleia2> that's pretty much The One in the space
[19:38] <pleia2> I went to a talk on how wikipedia uses it (there is a bit civicrm group here that meets at the wikimedia offices near me)
[19:38] <pleia2> s/bit/big
[20:06] <waltman> *YAWN*
[20:32] <erstazi> pleia2: nice. Thanks for the confirmation.
[23:03] <JonathanD> Evening.
[23:05] <waltman> Yo.
[23:11] <rmg51> yo yo
[23:41] <InHisName1> Good Evening to you YoYo's


[11:52] <boodllebat> Hello I recently wrote an small application for Gnome and Unity Env under Gtk 3 It would be great if you take a look and give me feedback I have hosted it on Github Here is the video Demo https://vid.me/mgqy and here is the github link https://github.com/argunner/StickFace2
[12:05] <octoquad> boodllebat, it's a lot better than the one you wrote in C! Congrats :)
[12:05] <boodllebat> octoquad: thanks man
[12:13] <octoquad> darkxst, are there any other alpha 2 highlights we can add here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha2/UbuntuGNOME


[18:14] <jelmer> It looks like location URLs are somehow broken
[18:14] <jelmer> e.g. "curl https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/debian/sid/breezy/main/.bzr/branch/location"
[18:14] <jelmer> there's a missing / between the hostname and the first path segment
[18:17] <jelmer> (did we break something on the breezy side?)
[18:26] <cjwatson> jelmer: Interesting, that sounds likely to be an issue on our end.  Could you file a bug?
[18:26] <cjwatson> Should be easy.
[18:26] <jelmer> cjwatson: yes, filing now
[18:27] <cjwatson> jelmer: Ah in fact this is a regression from deploying appservers using Juju
[18:27] <jelmer> AFAICT it is reproducible with older versions of breezy as well
[18:27] <jelmer> and I saw the SWH folks mention the same error as well
[18:28] <cjwatson> https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad-layers/tree/launchpad-base/templates/launchpad-base-lazr.conf#n35 needs a trailing slash
[18:30] <cjwatson> (This is actually only the second regression from that redeployment that anyone has reported, which I'm pretty pleased with considering it's a total rewrite of the deployment mechanism and an advance of two Ubuntu LTS releases.)
[18:32] <jelmer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2017026
[18:32] <mup> Bug #2017026: bazaar branch redirects missing slash between hostname and path <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017026>
[18:33] <jelmer> cjwatson: ah, interesting
[18:33] <jelmer> I was looking through the recent code changes and didn't see any smoking guns there :)
[18:36] <cjwatson> MP up
[18:38] <jelmer> cjwatson: that was quick :) different target than lp:launchpad?
[18:46] <jelmer> ah, launchpad-layers
[20:06] <cjwatson> jelmer: yeah, but that's an internal detail that nobody other than us should be expected to care about
[20:06] <cjwatson> just had to separate out some code because charmcraft wouldn't play ball otherwise


[11:06] <isomari> greeting, I have created a iptables.save file but when I restore it complains: "iptables-restore v1.8.4 (legacy): The -t option (seen in line 5) cannot be used in iptables-restore". Can't I use the -t option in a  restore file.
[11:07] <isomari> this is line 5: "-N droppedManglePre -t mangle"


[13:39] <gtec> first timer to these forums discussions
[13:43] <gtec> please: some assistant  required:  what is the difference pxelinux.o boot image and nbi.img? Why use one as oppose to the other?


[12:08] <bashtux> hi guys, i asked a few days back on how to snap a window to a custom size of my choosing in XFCE, was not able to get help on this and after some digging around i found a nice way to get what i need : https://gist.github.com/bchuter/ac5c866e91ca118aef394bda6154027f
[12:33] <kadiro> bashtux> I think you want something like xdotool
[12:34] <kadiro> lol i didn't read that link, it say exactly what i suggested :)
[12:36] <kadiro> see ya, i have to go, if i come back i can help with xdotool
[13:05] <Regor> whats best available application for bootable USB ? . bionic
[13:17] <sublevel> I like mkusb
[13:53] <Regor> ok  i check
[14:08] <ausitin> hello
[14:09] <ausitin> anyone help me to install spidev in Xubuntu?
[14:12] <diogenes_> ausitin, what difficulty you have?
[14:15] <Regor> i am unable to add PPAs . first i guessed it might be outdated  but now now it happens with other ppas too.
[14:16] <Regor> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zrs8PFYPjx/
[14:20] <Regor> i added weechat ppa earlier within seconds. i think i see this after system upgrade few days back
[14:27] <ausitin> when I command  $ pip install spidev  , but it doesn't work
[14:27] <ausitin> diogenes_when I command  $ pip install spidev  , but it doesn't work
[14:29] <ausitin> isn't is needed to install pip first ? , I checked my fault when I was process pip command without install pip first
[14:30] <ausitin> now it's successfully install spidev 3.4
[14:40] <tomreyn> Regor: this is probably a network issue. it can be just temporary - should work if you retry.
[14:41] <tomreyn> Regor: but you may have an unrelaible network connection or resolver configuration, which may be worth exmining.
[14:46] <Regor> now i get details ..using apt update ..
[14:46] <Regor> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RyW8vzCkNx/
[14:49] <tomreyn> this is expected. since downloading those gpg signing keys for these apt repositories (PPAs) failed, apt is now unable to verify these repositories.
[14:50] <Regor> yes
[14:50] <tomreyn> The apt-secure(8) man page has details on how apt repository signing works.
[14:50] <Regor> yeah i see it
[14:57] <Regor> now i got it completely ... i added weechat ppa after adding GPG key .
[15:05] <Regor> tomreyn: thanks :) now its fixed
[15:31] <tomreyn> Regor: you're welcome :)
[19:07] <ahwks> hey, im having any issue updating the system with an ui dropdown menu, asking me to select how to proceed with a changed grub-pc ,  but the options are in japanese for some reason