[12:19] <raphink> phanatic: pong
[12:21] <phanatic> raphink: i was also wondering if i should create a debian native from ubuntu-grub-splashimages...
[12:21] <raphink> phanatic: this is a debian native package, and that's fine
[12:22] <phanatic> so no modification needed?
[12:22] <raphink> no as I said
[12:22] <raphink> you can ignore the Warning in the report
[12:22] <raphink> since it's normal that it's a debian native package
[12:23] <phanatic> that's fine. but is it fine, that it has an -XubuntuX version?
[12:23] <phanatic> nice sentence, shit :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> no, a native package shouldn't be versioned like that
[12:24] <raphink> ;)
[12:27] <phanatic> shall i correct that and upload a new package?
[12:30] <raphink> sure phanatic
[12:31] <phanatic> ok, i'll do that
[02:01] <dolson> I have a question. I'm following some documentation about making packages. It says to change the debian/rules file in the commands to install into ./debian/pkgname, should I modify that from DESTDIR to whatever the Makefile expects (PREFIX in this case), or should I modify the Makefile to expect DESTDIR?
[02:03] <azeem> the latter
[02:04] <dolson> ok thank you azeem! the doc says the former, but I thought that was wrong
[02:11] <dolson> ah crap, there is no rule to install in the makefile, lol
[04:12] <dolson> I want to take a piece of software that was debianized by someone and package it for Ubuntu. it is not in debian (and I don't see any ITP either), but the packager gave it a version of 1.0-2. so, because it is not actually in debian, would this become 1.0-0ubuntu1 or would it be 1.0-2ubuntu1?
[04:15] <crimsun> the former
[04:17] <dolson> ok, cool. I am still working on getting the lintian output to stop complaining about things that he didn't check, but it's pretty close
[04:52] <psusi> man... this code is prety WTF'ed up
[08:01] <minghua> I have up-to-date dapper, and I have ubuntu-desktop and kde-core installed, no if I start gnome from GDM, I will have the KDE panel on my gnome desktop (in additional to my gnome panel), anybody heard of similar problem?
[08:26] <jsgotangco> minghua, yeah KNOME heh
[08:27] <minghua> :-(
[08:28] <jsgotangco> i just experienced it a few hours ago too
[08:30] <jsgotangco> the forum people ahve talked about it already though
[08:31] <minghua> jsgotangco: at least nice to see it's not my own problem :-P
[08:31] <jsgotangco> it as deemed "best bug ever"
[08:31] <jsgotangco> s/as/was
[08:32] <minghua> lol
[08:41] <torkel> minghua: bug #30849
[08:41] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30849 in gnome-session "Kde desktop applications started by gnome-session" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30849
[08:42] <minghua> ah, against gnome-session, I kept looking in bugs for kde :-)
[08:42] <minghua> torkel: thanks!
[08:42] <torkel> np
[08:44] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[08:45] <minghua> hello zakame
[08:45] <minghua> and hello ogra :-)
[08:45] <zakame> heya minghua :)
[08:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:49] <zakame> good morning dholbach :)
[08:49] <dholbach> hey zakame
[09:01] <zakame> hmm does dapper+1 have a name already? pusling in #d-mentors is asking me
[09:04] <dholbach> Not yet.
[09:57] <dholbach> HOLY COW!   apt-cache -i unmet | wc -l         =>      656 lines
[09:57] <dholbach> Sounds like there's still something to do until release :)
[09:59] <Lathiat> time for me to get busy i think :)
[10:00] <lfittl> dholbach: I started work on fixing this stuff, ~35 uploads so far
[10:00] <Lathiat> now that i can actually upload, woo :)
[10:00] <dholbach> lfittl: Yeah - saw it :-)
[10:00] <dholbach> Nice work.
[10:00] <lfittl> and that took only 2 hours, these things are really easy to fix :)
[10:01] <dholbach> Yeah, most of them should be easy and a good start for newcomers.
[10:01] <dholbach> We should do a REVU day soon.
[10:01] <dholbach> So we can get stuff in shape before Feature Freeze.
[10:01] <lfittl> that would be really good, there is simply too much stuff on REVU
[10:02] <dholbach> And we should have a No-New-Stuff-on-REVU Freeze too.
[10:02] <lfittl> do you really think that would make a difference?
[10:02] <dholbach> Maybe not.
[10:03] <lfittl> we have only 2 weeks until feature freeze, introducing another freeze complicates the whole thing even more
[10:04] <lfittl> you also planned a bug day, when exactly?
[10:05] <dholbach> End of next week. Beginning of next week will be GNOME 2.13.91
[10:06] <dholbach> Where I'll be completely busy.
[10:06] <Gloubiboulga> hello zakame
[10:07] <lfittl> k, that means we could do the REVU day ~3 days before feature freeze
[10:08] <dolson> if an app I want to package has no man page, and no commandline arguments, do I have to make a man page for it?
[10:09] <lfittl> dolson: if it has no commandline arguments that should be easy to do ;)
[10:09] <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga
[10:09] <dolson> lfittl: so yes, then? :)
[10:09] <lfittl> make a little man page ;)
[10:09] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, got a little question for you, about the FSF address :)
[10:11] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, I don't know how to react when the old address in used in sources
[10:19] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: for your package or for packages which we have from Debian?
[10:19] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: sure, what's it about? :)
[10:19] <Gloubiboulga> i'm on the phone, brb
[10:19] <dholbach> lfittl: we could even do it on the weekend - whenever
[10:19] <dholbach> lfittl: We just need to announce it.
[10:20] <dholbach> And we still have not MOTU report yet.
[10:20] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: ??? annoyed? angry? happy? :P
[10:21] <lfittl> dholbach: I will send a message to the motu mailinglist later today to discuss the REVU day date
[10:22] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: I believe its best to just tell upstream about it and let them update it by themselves, after all, they are the ones who are applying the GPL as a license, not us :)
[10:22] <dholbach> lfittl: Thanks.
[10:23] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, yeah, that's the point :)
[10:23] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, it's about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1697
[10:23] <zakame> bbl
[10:24] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: What about it?
[10:24] <Gloubiboulga> old FSF address is used in sources, so I guess upstream should modify it
[10:25] <dholbach> Yeah, tell them.
[10:25] <dholbach> You don't need to patch it.
[10:25] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[10:54] <dolson> yay, I wrote my first man page ever
[10:57] <Gloubiboulga> congrats dolson
[10:58] <dolson> thanks :) I really want to take part in Ubuntu, so I'm trying to learn a bunch of new stuff, and that was one of them. pretty easy though, that was
[11:15] <dolson> :) you remember me?
[11:24] <dolson> ok! lintian only reports 3 issues now. I am getting close here.. native-pkg-with-a-dash-ver, chlog-should-mention-nmu, and src-nmu-has-incorrect-ver-#
[11:32] <Casanova> hi i have uploaded 2 packages to revu yesterday -- python-ldtp and ltfx how can iget someone to review it?
[11:36] <Casanova> hello anyone there?
[11:37] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, I can have a look at it, but only MOTUs can advocate
[11:37] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> thanx a lot
[11:37] <Gloubiboulga> np
[11:37] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i dont have to send a request or anything? they will view it?
[11:37] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, yes, if it's on REVU, that's because you want a review :)
[11:38] <Casanova> hehe cool :)
[11:38] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1701 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1702
[11:38] <Gloubiboulga> I'm looking at ltfx
[11:39] <Casanova> thats a very small package.. i packaged it basically bcos ldtp depended on ltfx and ltfx package was not available
[11:40] <Gloubiboulga> Upstream copyright is not very clear
[11:43] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> for ltfx?
[11:43] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, the COPYRIGHT file in sources is not enough
[11:43] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[11:43] <Gloubiboulga> each file should contain a header, describing the copyroght
[11:43] <Gloubiboulga> *copyright
[11:43] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> what else should be added in the copyright file
[11:43] <Casanova> oh
[11:44] <Gloubiboulga> it's an upstream problem
[11:44] <Gloubiboulga> you could ask the author to add these headers
[11:44] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> what does upstream problem mean?
[11:44] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> the author isnt responding to my emails :(
[11:45] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> by each file do you mean the source files?
[11:45] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, yes
[11:45] <Gloubiboulga> see http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-howto.html
[11:46] <Gloubiboulga> the COPYRIGHT file doesn't tell who is the copyright holder, and if the sources are under GPL v.2 or GPL v.2 or later
[11:46] <Gloubiboulga> that's why the header is needed in the source files
[11:47] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> the homepage says GPL doesnt mention the version
[11:47] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltfx/
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, there's nothing on the hompage...
[11:49] <Casanova> License  : GNU General Public License (GPL)
[11:49] <Casanova> that is all it says
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> but it's not in the source tarball :)
[11:50] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> its in the COPYING file isnt it?
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> yes, but it's not enough
[11:51] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> ok then i will add it manually into the source files
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, you can't do that, the author has to
[11:52] <Casanova> oh
[11:52] <Gloubiboulga> I can't find the source tarball anyway
[11:52] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> what is the way out then? the project seem to be dead right now
[11:53] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, if it's dead I'm not sure that it's a good idea to package it, but ask MOTUs about that
[11:54] <Casanova> ok let me try contacting him yet again
[11:54] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> is there any thing else that i should change?
[11:54] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, yes
[11:54] <Gloubiboulga> if it's ok, I'll email you my comments
[11:54] <Casanova> sure that would be great :)
[11:54] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[11:55] <Gloubiboulga> but we really need to have an available source tarball to accept the package
[11:56] <dolson> I have a question.. I still get two errors when I run lintian about nmu. num=new maintainer u_____? upload? I looked at the ardour control file and see robert from debian in there, so I left the guy who debianized this software previously in here.. but, I get the nmu messages, so am I really supposed to change it to my name? it feels like I would be stealing all of the credit or something
[11:56] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> it is available at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=123119 isnt it?
[11:56] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> are you referring to something else?
[11:57] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, there's nothing on the sourceforge page
[11:57] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i downloaded the source form the sourceforge page
[11:57] <Gloubiboulga> or I have a browser problem
[11:57] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> check http://optusnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/ltfx/ltfx-0.1.6.tar.gz
[11:58] <Casanova> thats the direct link
[11:58] <Gloubiboulga> I guess I have a problem
[11:58] <Gloubiboulga> ok, got the tarball :)
[11:58] <Gloubiboulga> sorry
[11:59] <Casanova> no probs at all :)
[12:03] <dolson> ok, no more lintian errors
[12:08] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> any other changes?
[12:09] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, I'll send you a mail in a few minutes :)
[12:09] <Casanova> kewl
[12:11] <dolson> ok, I am done my packaging. so now I can upload it to revu. right?
[12:14] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, is it your first package ?
[12:14] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> yes :|
[12:14] <Casanova> am i doing a very bad job?
[12:15] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, no, but my comments list is quite long :)
[12:15] <Gloubiboulga> don't be afraid with it
[12:15] <Casanova> ok :)
[12:16] <Gloubiboulga> my first package was pretty ugly ;)
[12:16] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i didnt get your mail yet
[12:17] <Gloubiboulga> it's on its way
[12:17] <Casanova> k
[12:18] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, did you run lintian on you package?
[12:18] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> yes
[12:20] <Lathiat> dholbach: hrm my apt-cache -i unmet -> 225
[12:20] <Lathiat> dholbach: ah, you missed |grep Package
[12:20] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, on the .deb on on the .dsc? because lintian isn't very happy with the .deb ;)
[12:21] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> oO let me try again :(
[12:21] <Lathiat> ajmitch: have you got that bzr archive?
[12:21] <Casanova> i am making the other changes you mentioned in the mail
[12:21] <dholbach> Lathiat: 254 on amd64 then
[12:21] <dholbach> Lathiat: :)
[12:21] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i need my pkgget.sh altho i probably needs updating for new launchpad buildlogs
[12:21] <Lathiat> i wonder if someone else has writtten anythign similar
[12:22] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> to get the version as "0.1.6-0ubuntu1" i have to do 'dch -v 0.1.6-0ubuntu1' ?
[12:22] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, you certainly missed a build-dep, because the package builds fine on my dapper box, but not with pbuilder
[12:22] <Lathiat> grabs the package, checks versions, grabs buildlogs
[12:23] <Lathiat> dholbach: thats actually quite good
[12:23] <Lathiat> dholbach: better than breezy
[12:24] <Lathiat> W: ctsim source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[12:24] <Lathiat> W: ctsim source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 4.4.2-1ubuntu2
[12:24] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:24] <Lathiat> i never noticed that before
[12:24] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, I would just change it manually
[12:24] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> ok
[12:24] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i havent used pbuilder... let me try installing it and then get back to you some time later?
[12:25] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, no problem
[12:25] <dholbach> Lathiat: never mind that, lintian doesn't know that we don't have NMUs.
[12:25] <Lathiat> dholbach: yeh but did it atsome point? or is that new?
[12:25] <Lathiat> i never noticed it before
[12:26] <dholbach> You maybe just uploaded YOUR packages. :-)
[12:26] <Lathiat> nah
[12:26] <Lathiat> maybe im just silly :)
[12:26] <Lathiat> and never noticed
[12:26] <dholbach> Maybe. :-p
[12:27] <Lathiat> or is that a new step in debuild -S to run lintian?
[12:27] <Lathiat> i cant wait till ig et my computer it'l be so much faster than this here laptop
[12:27] <Lathiat> esp with disk performance
[12:27] <dholbach> same here. :-)
[12:27] <dholbach> my x40's 4200 rpm disk is soooooooo slow
[12:27] <Lathiat> athlon x2 4200+, 2GB ram, 2x 36GB raptors (10,000RPM sata)
[12:27] <Lathiat> ouch
[12:28] <Lathiat> mines at least 5400
[12:29] <Lathiat> and well, i hope my boss doesnt fire me in the next 6 weeks :)
[12:29] <dholbach> :)
[12:29] <dholbach> Who can think of stuff to add as "tasks" for the next Ubuntu Bug Day from the MOTU team?
[12:29] <Lathiat> "fix bugs" ;)
[12:29] <dholbach> Please add something or nobody will help universe out.
[12:30] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[12:30] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-gl stuff
[12:30] <Lathiat> .desktop files
[12:30] <dholbach> I added something for the DektopTeam already.
[12:30] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> why does lintian say? E: ltfx_0.1.6-2_source.changes: md5sum-mismatch-in-changes-file ltfx_0.1.6-2.dsc
[12:31] <Casanova> it did not come last time i ran lintian... though i made a few changes after that
[12:32] <Gloubiboulga> don't really know, but maybe you've changed someting in the .dsc file
[12:32] <dolson> what do I use to log into REVU? unless I'm typing this wrong every time, it is not accepting my launchpad user/pass
[12:33] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i havent touched the dsc file.. maybe i should package it again?
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, just rebuild the source package
[12:33] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> also it says W: ltfx: manpage-section-mismatch usr/share/man/man1/digwin.1.gz:5 1 != SECTION
[12:33] <Casanova> can i ignore this?
[12:34] <Gloubiboulga> I don't think so ;)
[12:34] <Casanova> why does it say that?
[12:34] <Casanova> i men it should come in the 1st sectio right?
[12:35] <Casanova> *mean
[12:35] <Gloubiboulga> I'm not a man page specialist :p
[12:35] <Casanova> :(
[12:36] <Gloubiboulga> I'm checking manpages i've written
[12:36] <Casanova> ok
[12:36] <dolson> hello
[12:38] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, `.TH LDTP SECTION "January 30, 2006"' LDTP -> ltfx, and SECTION -> 1
[12:38] <Gloubiboulga> I think that's the problem
[12:38] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: did you use docbook?
[12:38] <Casanova> oops
[12:39] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, yes, for the last package I've built
[12:39] <raphink> ok :)
[12:39] <raphink> good
[12:39] <Gloubiboulga> hh
[12:39] <raphink> it's not very easy but it gives good results :)
[12:40] <Gloubiboulga> raphink, yes, you're right
[12:40] <Gloubiboulga> as always :p
[12:40] <raphink> oh it's the hug day!
[12:46] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> lintian no longer gives any output :)
[12:46] <dolson> someone freakin hug me
[12:47] <dolson> don't touch me there
[12:47] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, good. It needs to build with pbuilder now
[12:47] <dolson> touch me *here*
[12:47] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i will try and get back to you
[12:47] <dolson> my package builds with pbuilder, how do I log into REVU?
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, ok. Don't forget that the license issue really needs to be solved
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> dolson, did you send your gpg key ?
[12:48] <dolson> yeah
[12:48] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> i your mail you said that i need to have a 'build-indep' rule in the rules file
[12:48] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> but i already have it dont i?
[12:48] <raphink> dolson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> then, just upload, you don't need to login
[12:49] <Casanova> Gloubiboulga> build-indep: build-indep-stamp
[12:49] <Casanova> build-indep-stamp: configure-stamp
[12:49] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, let me check again
[12:49] <Casanova> ok
[12:50] <dolson> raphink: thanks... I think I read every page in the wiki, but this one. lol
[12:50] <Gloubiboulga> Casanova, better ask a MOTU for this, I'm not totally sure
[12:50] <Casanova> ok
[12:51] <raphink> dolson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing
[12:52] <raphink> dolson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU/REVU-Tools
[12:52] <raphink> so you can check your own package
[01:00] <dolson> thanks, I'm running that now
[01:04] <dolson> oh geez, it's 7am... time for some sleep
[01:08] <raphink> hehe
[01:08] <dolson> but this stuff is so interesting
[01:08] <dolson> I just don't want to sleep
[01:12] <raphink> dolzzzon: beware, addiction to packaging comes fast ;)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> raphink: very true :P
[02:11] <zakame> evening MOTUs
[02:14] <Lathiat> hey zakame
[02:14] <zakame> hi Lathiat :)
[02:40] <Lathiat> wheres the policy on what needs UVF approval etc
[02:40] <Lathiat> ?
[02:40] <ogra> Lathiat, in the version number of your package ?
[02:40] <zakame> hmm good q I've been asking that to myself earlier this day :/
[02:40] <Lathiat> ogra: like, is a new debian revision ok?
[02:40] <Lathiat> or does that need approval too?
[02:41] <ogra> 1.2.4-27 would need approval for 1.2.5-X
[02:41] <ogra> but not for 1.2.4-28
[02:41] <Lathiat> ok, even if -28 adds a new feature?
[02:41] <ogra> even then ...
[02:41] <Lathiat> ok
[02:41] <Lathiat> cheers
[02:42] <ogra> -28 will need approval past 23rd of feb
[02:42] <Lathiat> ok
[02:42] <zakame> hm so I can still fix some motureviewers bugs which keep the same upstream version?
[02:42] <ogra> yup
[02:42] <zakame> yay \o/
[02:42] <Lathiat> 1.2.4-27+really1.2.5evadinguvf
[02:42] <Lathiat> ;p
[02:43] <ogra> Lathiat, yes, i did similar things in breezy :/
[02:43] <ogra> made mdz very angry ...
[02:43] <zakame> I thought I'll be stuck doing just l10n after the merges ;P
[02:43] <ogra> and wont get approved this release ... no way for that
[02:44] <Lathiat> dapper universe is looking a little more shapely than breezys at this point
[02:44] <Lathiat> or is it just me being dillusional? :)
[02:44] <ogra> nope, thats right ...
[02:44] <Lathiat> cool :)
[02:44] <zakame> ooh :(
[02:44] <ogra> would be bad if it werent the fact :)
[02:44] <Lathiat> indeed
[02:45] <phanatic> hi people
[02:45] <ogra> breezy was really sucky ...
[02:45] <zakame> lol
[02:45] <Lathiat> would've been worse without the mammoth effort of some at the end
[02:45] <Lathiat> i think slomo slugged iirc
[02:45] <Lathiat> the problem with thsi point
[02:45] <Lathiat> is most of the unbuildable packages are weird applications
[02:45] <Lathiat> that no one uses or knows how to use
[02:45] <Lathiat> which makes testing the workability difficult ;p
[02:46] <phanatic> raphink: ping
[02:46] <ogra> if they are really this weird and nobody complained yet, they might not be worth the effort
[02:46] <raphink> phanatic: pong
[02:47] <phanatic> raphink: i uploaded ubuntu-grub-splashimages as a native package
[02:47] <raphink> phanatic: cool
[02:47] <phanatic> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1705
[02:47] <raphink> phanatic: I'll have a look at it later if you dont mind phanatic
[02:47] <raphink> remind me when I'm less busy :)
[02:47] <raphink> or send me the link by email
[02:47] <phanatic> raphink: okay :)
[02:48] <phanatic> i'll do the latter
[02:48] <raphink> phanatic: it's hug day today, won't you join?
[02:48] <phanatic> really?
[02:48] <zakame> heya phanatic
[02:48] <phanatic> of course :)
[02:48] <phanatic> hey zakame
[02:48] <phanatic> #ubuntu-bugs, right?
[02:49] <Lathiat> i guess somethign that partially works is better than uninstallable
[02:49] <zakame> raphink: it is HUG day today?!? :D
[02:49] <Lathiat> guikachu seems to crash tryign to do anythign with a form altho other stuff works
[02:49] <raphink> zakame: :)
[02:49] <zakame> ooh
[02:50] <raphink> missed the e ;)
[02:51] <phanatic> :)
[03:26] <dholbach> ogra: hm?
[04:44] <Gloubiboulga> SloMoSnail, I guess we could close bug 4165
[04:44] <Ubugtu> malone bug 4165 in dnspython "dnspython: merge new debian version" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4165
[04:45] <Gloubiboulga> damned
[04:45] <Kyral> Morning MOTUish peoples
[04:45] <Gloubiboulga> never ming, I've too much bugs today ;)
[04:45] <Gloubiboulga> s/ming/mind
[04:45] <Gloubiboulga> hi Kyral
[04:46] <Kyral> hmm
[04:46] <Kyral> To install Debian on my laptop
[04:47] <Kyral> Should be fun :D
[04:48] <Kyral> Poor laptop has been reformatted so many times in the past week as I have been playing
[04:49] <Kyral> Ironic that it started with Ubuntu and ending on Debian :P
[05:08] <raphink> siretart: revu-tools is NEW since yesterday. I don't know when it'll be in and it fixes a few things from version 0.3. Do you want to install the package already or wait for it to be in the repos?
[05:18] <blueyed> \sh_away: wine is broken currently in dapper: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/30962
[05:18] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30962 in wine "Running wine applications instantly outputs "Killed." in the terminal" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[05:20] <blueyed> \sh_away: This is the same for 0.9.7 from winehq. But anyway, I want to suggest requesting a UpstreamVersionFreeze exception for it, because 0.9.7 fixes at least one annoying bug, where the icons in BeyondCompare do not show up. I could search for the upstream bugtracker entry, if needed.
[05:26] <dholbach> raphink: could you write your mail to the list?
[05:26] <dholbach> raphink: you just replied to me :)
[05:26] <raphink> oops sorry dholbach ;)
[05:26] <raphink> hehe
[05:27] <raphink> you don't like me writing to you dholbach ?
[05:27] <dholbach> tssssss :)
[05:27] <raphink> hehe
[05:27] <raphink> there
[07:37] <LaserJock> is there a place to tell when a package has been removed from Universe?
[07:37] <lucas> hi dholbach
[07:38] <lucas> dholbach: how much testing did you do on ekiga ?
[07:38] <lucas> I seem to have alsa/esd conflicts
[07:41] <siretart> wwaaaaah, this bl***dy gnome-power-manager!! grrrr
[07:44] <siretart> puh. vim saved a swapfile in my home.. uff
[07:51] <dolson> Is it even possible to use gpg to sign email through gmail?
[07:52] <jamessan> if you use their POP3 interface, then you can. it's not possible via their web interface, though
[07:52] <dolson> bastards.
[07:53] <dolson> I'm going to email them a feature request
[07:53] <ogra> siretart, filed a bug for me ?
[07:55] <siretart> ogra: I'd like to do some more research about it first. and I'm too angry right now to file a bug
[07:55] <ogra> what happend ?
[07:56] <siretart> ogra: It just shut down my computer without even a slight warning or notice
[07:56] <siretart> ogra: I was writing a follow up in slrn/vim on \sh posting, and it just shut down.
[07:56] <ogra> did you run out of battery ?
[07:57] <siretart> ogra: shouldn't there be some kind of warning: "please save your work, you are low on power and the computer will shut down soon?"
[07:57] <siretart> ogra: hardly. I was at more than 50% battery
[07:57] <ogra> how are the adjustments in your power preferences ?
[07:57] <siretart> but I was not on ac, right
[07:57] <siretart> shutdown at critical, critical mark set to 3%
[07:58] <ogra> g-p-m is pretty dumb, it only does what you tell it, i suspect rather a hal bug that the values get reported wrong ...
[07:59] <siretart> ogra: what's this 'low battery' slider about? I don't see what action can be triggered when battery is low?
[07:59] <ogra> i agree that there should be a saver yourself command for open apps ... but thats a task gnome-session should do
[07:59] <ogra> look at the second tab
[08:00] <ogra> yu can select the action
[08:00] <siretart> ogra: I see only a slider for 'when battery is critical' not for 'when battery is low'
[08:01] <siretart> lets move this to #ubuntu-devel
[08:01] <LaserJock> azeem: ping?
[08:03] <lfittl> dholbach: ping
[08:16] <pollo> hi
[08:19] <pollo> i have some doubts about ubuntu starting system
[08:20] <LaserJock> pollo: what do you mean?
[08:22] <pollo> wich files contains kernel modules that start at boot system , i was seeing /etc/modules , and i add son lines to /etc/hotplug/blacklist , but it until load some modules like bluetooth , also i don't  see where is file that load system services like ntp it isn't on /etc/rc2.d , i don't if it is the correct channel for these doubts
[08:24] <LaserJock> pollo: you should probably ask in #ubuntu
[08:24] <pollo> ok thanks
[08:24] <pollo> i will go to ubuntu
[08:35] <lucas> can sbody reproduce 30578 ?
[08:36] <lucas> bug 30578 sorry
[08:36] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30578 in ekiga "Ekiga uses ALSA layer, but sound card is blocked by esd" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30578
[08:43] <siretart> lucas: I think I can
[08:49] <dholbach> Isn't that something like  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnomemeeting/+bug/22488 ?
[08:49] <Ubugtu> malone bug 22488 in gnomemeeting "When gnomemeeting is running no other programs can play sound" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[08:50] <lucas> ah probably, but that kind of the opposite bug :-)
[08:51] <dolson> holy crap slowkeys is annoying
[09:23] <sebest> hello
[09:23] <sebest> slomo: ping
[09:26] <dolson> alright, now I have completed the package properly
[09:53] <dolson> hope that works
[09:57] <sebest> siretart: hello
[09:58] <sebest> could you please create me a revu account?
[10:02] <siretart> sebest: pass me your gpg id
[10:02] <sebest> siretart: ok gimme a second
[10:04] <sebest> siretart: 2105BB87
[10:04] <sebest> should be on keyserver.ubuntu.com
[10:04] <siretart> sebest: done
[10:05] <sebest> siretart, you sent the informations to my email?
[10:07] <siretart> sebest: no. you may proceed with uploading packages now. use the recover link to learn your password, it will be created after your first accepted upload
[10:08] <sebest> siretart: thanx a lot, i'll read the wiki page :)
[10:14] <dolson> hmm, can you do mine next?
[10:38] <Kyral> oy...I think its time for a fresh reinstall...
[10:58] <dolson> thanks siretart
[10:59] <siretart> dolson: you're welcome
[11:02] <siretart> dolson: nice job on http://ubuntustudio.com
[11:02] <dolson> siretart:  thanks :)
[11:04] <siretart> dolson: I assume you want your studio launcher script be included into dapper, right?
[11:05] <dolson> siretart: I don't think it's complete enough yet. I still need to add a lot of functionality to it, such as auto-detecting what apps are installed and only listing them in the list, and mostly adding a lot more apps
[11:05] <siretart> I see
[11:06] <dolson> but I can work on it soon if you think it's a good thing to do
[11:06] <siretart> dolson: how about grepping through /usr/share/applications/*.desktop for audio applications?
[11:07] <siretart> dolson: I don't understand that much about professional audio stuff. My brother is interested in that, but currently he does not do much more than a bit recording with audacity
[11:07] <dolson> siretart: that's a good idea, I'll have a look at that. I'm not sure how I would script it to allow zenity to return the results.. I supose I could change it a lot and make it just loop through the results. I'l have to do some testing with that
[11:08] <dolson> siretart: I used only audacity to record all of my songs on my site, and I didn't ever want to use anything more than audacity until a couple weeks ago.. I started reading a lot about realtime, preemption, ardour, seq24, etc.
[11:09] <dolson> it's like a whole new world
[11:11] <sebest> slomo: i think that the upload worked
[11:12] <dolson> woo, Successfully uploaded packages.
[11:19] <sebest> siretart: what is the delay to have the password
[11:19] <sebest> i did the upload
[11:19] <sebest> and the try the "recover" thing
[11:19] <sebest> but no password in the encrypted text
[11:20] <sebest> just "None"
[11:20] <siretart> sebest: which package did you upload?
[11:21] <sebest> mod_dnssd
[11:21] <sebest> mod_mime_xattr
[11:21] <sebest> and nautilus-share
[11:22] <siretart> nautilus share was ignored because being an binary upload. please do sourceful uploads only
[11:23] <siretart> oh, in fact, this is for all uploads
[11:23] <sebest> ah, how can i do a sourceful upload?
[11:23] <siretart> sebest: you have to upload a *_source.changes file, NOT an *_i386.changes file
[11:23] <sebest> because it said "successfully uploaded"
[11:23] <sebest> ok
[11:24] <dolson> woo, my pkg is there. I am so pumped
[11:24] <siretart> use -S -sa options for dpkg-buildpackage/debuild
[11:28] <sebest> siretart: sorry to bother you again, but dput complains about .dsc being already on the serveur :)
[11:29] <siretart> sebest: rm *.upload
[11:29] <siretart> or use -f
[11:29] <sebest> i'm using -f
[11:30] <sebest> siretart: http://pastebin.com/547422
[11:31] <siretart> sebest: retry, I removed your previous upload
[11:32] <sebest> siretart: thanx it worked
[11:34] <dolson> hmm....
[11:36] <LaserJock> siretart: so is raphink's revu-tools on tiber?
[11:37] <raphink> LaserJock: version 0.3 is
[11:37] <raphink> version 0.4 is in NEW right now
[11:37] <raphink> I don't plan to get it in the REVU svn this time
[11:37] <raphink> but to install it as a deb
[11:38] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[11:38] <LaserJock> do you have to be a MOTU to use it?
[11:38] <siretart> LaserJock: it will be in the archive as soon as it gets through new
[11:38] <raphink> LaserJock: yo have to have sudo rights for pbuilder
[11:39] <raphink> <~~~   raphink sur tiber  17:37:39 #1 : ~   ~~~>
[11:39] <raphink>  $ sudo -l
[11:39] <raphink> User raphink may run the following commands on this host:
[11:39] <raphink>     (ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pbuilder
[11:39] <sebest> siretartl: it seems that upload worked except for "nautilus-share"
[11:39] <raphink> LaserJock: you need that to run it
[11:39] <raphink> LaserJock: if you want it run on some packages, you can ask me though :)
[11:40] <dolson> I hope I did this right... at first there was no .orig.tar.gz, even though I followed the instructions and used -S -sa..  but I put it up again and it's there
[11:41] <LaserJock> raphink: np, I was just thinking I might try to look at some packages on REVU (reviewing is good practice, as you well know) but I can do it on my local machine too.
[11:41] <dolson> it said Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be rejected by the upload queue management software.
[11:41] <raphink> LaserJock: the deb I provide should work on your machine :)
[11:41] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, raphink's deb works perfectly on my machine :)
[11:43] <LaserJock> raphink: yes, but it would be more convenient to do it on tiber. I'll just do it on my machine.
[11:43] <raphink> yes I know that LaserJock
[11:43] <raphink> that's why I propose you to give me the name of the packag eand the url of the tarball
[11:43] <raphink> so I can run it there
[11:43] <raphink> if youdon't have the rights to do it
[11:43] <raphink> :)
[11:44] <raphink> LaserJock: did you check if you had them?
[11:44] <LaserJock> well, I can just scp it my local machine, I think
[11:44] <LaserJock> no I don't
[11:44] <raphink> ok
[11:44] <LaserJock> they are afraid I'll break REVU ;-)
[11:44] <raphink> otherwise, ping siretart to get them ;)
[11:45] <raphink> haha ;)
[11:45] <raphink> do you think they're right to be afraid of that LaserJock ?
[11:47] <siretart> dolson: ignore that messages
[11:47] <dolson> ok cool
[11:48] <LaserJock> raphink: I doubt I would do anything bad but I don't really need that kind of access to REVU until I'm a MOTU.
[11:51] <raphink> yep
[11:51] <raphink> LaserJock: so just ask me
[11:51] <raphink> it takes me no time to run them
[11:51] <raphink> if yo ugive me the name of the package, the date and the url to the usptream tarball if required
[11:51] <raphink> if there's a debian/watch this is not even required
[11:52] <LaserJock> ok, I don't have anthing at the moment
[11:52] <raphink> ok
[11:52] <raphink> :)
[11:52] <LaserJock> I'm still just trying to get used to OSX
[11:58] <dolson> ah crap. I just noticed that the md5sum of the upstream tarball is different than my orig tarball and I didn't mention it in the changelog


[16:02] <studio-user862> I uninstalled python* to fix one issue, resinstalled python, and reinstalled the ubuntustudio packages.  After reinstalling, I rebooted with the default Ubuntu desktop.  How do I restore my Ubuntu desktop?
[16:04] <studio-user862> I meant to ask, How do I restore my Ubuntu Studio 16.04.02 desktop?  It is no longer using the original window manager, but working fine otherwise.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> Have you tried selecting a different type of login on the display manager? (login page)
[16:06] <OvenWerks> which window manager is being shown?
[16:06] <OvenWerks> What differences are you seeing?
[16:12] <studio-user862> I don't see any additional options for the window manager at login.  Previously I did see a selection.
[16:13] <OvenWerks> ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[16:15] <OvenWerks> Type the above in aterminal, you should see two files
[16:15] <studio-user862> The differences are with the UI.  One sec.
[16:15] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio.desktop  xfce.desktop
[16:16] <studio-user862> I just have ubuntu.desktop...
[16:17] <OvenWerks> I see so does that mean you have installed ubuntu then put ubuntustudio metas on top of that?
[16:19] <OvenWerks> if you type in ls /etc/xdg/  do you see xdg-ubuntustudio and xfce4 subdirectories?
[16:26] <studio-user862> I installed UbuntuStudio, installed a deep learning toolkit from source which corrupted my python install, fixed that by purging python and reinstalling python.
[16:27] <studio-user862> Everything is great, but I believe the xfce.desktop is missing.
[16:27] <OvenWerks> it seems that way
[16:28] <studio-user862> I see an xfce4 directory there, but no ubuntustudio directory.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> Ya it seems some things have been cleaned out
[16:30] <OvenWerks> maybe reinstall ubuntustudio-desktop and ubuntustudio-desktop-core.
[16:30] <studio-user862> I believe I tried the first step, but not the second.  Let me try.  Give me a couple minutes.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> you may need to add the --reinstall option to make it work.
[16:33] <studio-user862> apt-get ubuntustudio-desktop --reinstall
[16:33] <studio-user862> :D
[16:33] <OvenWerks> apt-get --reinstall install packages
[16:36] <studio-user862> ok, reinstalled.
[16:37] <OvenWerks> does that add anything to ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[16:38] <OvenWerks> also, is dmesg showing any seek errors?
[16:49] <studio-user862> checking...
[16:50] <studio-user862> ls -> ubuntu.desktop  ubuntustudio.desktop  xfce.desktop
[16:51] <studio-user862> no disk errors.
[16:52] <OvenWerks> cool, that looks right
[16:53] <OvenWerks> removing python probably also removed anything that depended on python
[16:54] <studio-user862> so, before I reboot, do I need to set anything else?
[16:55] <OvenWerks> have you put in ubuntustudio-look ubuntustudio-default-settings?
[16:55] <OvenWerks> I am trying to remeber what the whole group is
[16:56] <OvenWerks> I use synaptic as my install gui
[16:56] <OvenWerks> then search ubuntustudio
[16:57] <OvenWerks> you don't need -lightdm-theme it appears
[16:57] <OvenWerks> or the slideshow
[16:57] <OvenWerks> or -live
[16:57] <studio-user862> Okay, what do I need to install?
[16:58] <studio-user862> Are those packages or a config  I need to set?
[16:58] <OvenWerks> all the other ubuntustudio-* except thethree above.
[16:59] <OvenWerks> also does ls /boot still show the lowlatency kernel?
[17:00] <OvenWerks> or I should ask also does it show any generic kernels?
[17:00] <OvenWerks>  :)
[17:01] <studio-user862> I reinstalled the low-latency dependencies after I fixed python.
[17:02] <OvenWerks> ok
[17:04] <OvenWerks> just as a general thing I wuld never use the menu item "Software" AKA the gnome software installer. It does not tell you when it has to remove something you already have installed to install what you are installing. synaptic is much better.
[17:06] <studio-user862> Okay, rebooting...
[17:07] <OvenWerks> k
[17:49] <studio-user010> @OvenWerks it Werked!
[17:50] <OvenWerks> Glad you are back in bussiness
[17:50] <studio-user010> I was able to select Ubuntu Studio Session again and my last session showed up.  Thanks.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> YW
[17:51] <studio-user010> I am going to make a script to restore my session in case this happens again.
[18:46] <OvenWerks> I hope it never does.


[11:10] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: so does AMD to an extent in terms of FOSS driver support while Nvidia doesn't do a darned thing with their Geforce lineup
[11:11] <Nothing_Much> and the proprietary drivers are horrid on Optimus technology
[11:11] <Nothing_Much> actually, heck, Optimus developed by Nvidia is horrid in general
[11:11] <Nothing_Much> at least for GNU/Linux
[22:30] <ShawnR__> Nothing_Much:  agreed.  my ASUS with optimus blows.  I think I got it to finally use the nvidia vs Intel chip, but not a chance at switching between the two
[23:27] <Nothing_Much> ShawnR__: Intel/AMD have the best support for their GPUs
[23:27] <Nothing_Much> Nvidia, not so much


[22:41] <superm1> ShapeShifter499: mythbuntu only does LTS releases
[22:49] <ShapeShifter499> superm1: I see