[17:03] <ricochet> mbeierl: when i do that it says Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[17:04] <mbeierl> ricochet: ok.  Just came across this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad ... maybe it'll help?
[17:04] <mbeierl> it says of Xubu to use qsynaptics
[17:05] <ricochet> qsynaptics?
[17:05] <ricochet> not gsynaptics?
[17:05] <mbeierl> ricochet: gsynaptics would be gnome, no?
[17:05] <ricochet> haha crap
[17:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: right, I've now got a virtual machine (VM) broken at roughly the same place and I have the busybox prompt. So, we can at least compare what should be there against what your system sees
[17:08] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: How have you broken it? By a safe-upgrade? Or did you some tricks to make it fail there?
[17:09] <IntuitiveNipple> No, it is possible to force a break by adding "break=XXXXX" to the kernel's command-line (in GRUB menu)
[17:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: where XXXX is some word like "top" or "modules" or  "pre-mount" or "mount" and so on
[17:13] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, interesting.
[17:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, I can recreate your scenario by using break=premount. This means that the udev daemon hasn't been started, so it looks as if the problem for your PC is before that point (or udev is failing) so let's find out if udev is running
[17:15] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: how can I do that?
[17:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: do "ps | grep udev"   - you should see something like "816 0         8232 S <  /sbin/udevd --daemon --resolve-names=never"
[17:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: if you don't see the udevd process listed it means it either failed or never started
[17:16] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I see that
[17:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Really!? wow, I'd have betted it wasn't running. That makes this issue much more interesting :D
[17:18] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I would be nice if I could share a little understandig for this "interesting" issue.
[17:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: the thing that springs immediately to my mind is that the hard disk driver modules aren't loaded, which implies the system has some unusual type of hard disk controller
[17:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: *but* the fact the /dev/ hasn't been populated with entries for other devices suggests there's a udev issue
[17:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: extremely hard to figure out remotely, this kind of thing :)
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You're sure there is no /dev/.udv/ directory? ("ls -al /dev/.udev/") ?
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: oops
[17:20] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You're sure there is no /dev/.udev/ directory? ("ls -al /dev/.udev/") ?
[17:21] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: oh, there is one. I must have overseen it, sry
[17:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ahhh! ok
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: let's drill down into it.
[17:23] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: does that mean, that udev is a virtual divice?
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: check with this: "ls -al /dev/.udev/db/"
[17:23] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: you should see entries similar to this format "\x2fdevices\x2fvirtual\x2fblock\x2floop0 -> loop0 block/7:0"
[17:24] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: the db folder does not exist. Only rules.d and uevent_sequnum are in /dev/.udev/
[17:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Here's what the VM shows: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147750/
[17:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: haha! ok, that should narrow the window down for where the problem is
[17:26] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, good. What do you think?
[17:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm Googling it :0
[17:26] <Spezl> why is flashplugin-nonfree shown as being blocked in kpackagekit? apt-get upgrade won't install it too .. can i do anything about it?
[17:27] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok. But I have no idea what this db means at all.
[17:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: the one person I'd ask about this isn't around at present, unfortunately
[17:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: "db" is short for "database" and it is where the udev (userspace device manager) keeps a record of every device the kernel tells it about
[17:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I may have found an Ubuntu bug report for your issue.  as reported here: bug #333614
[17:33] <djcip> ok - why is the sound louder in my left ear than my right ear
[17:33] <djcip> and how do i correct this?
[17:34] <djcip> i presume it has to do with the channels... left and right channels
[17:34] <djcip> but how do i equal them out again
[17:34] <Ienorand> Hello, regarding Bug 284377, do you know exactly when the kernel was updated from 2.6.26 to 2.6.27, was that in connection with Hardy->Ibex?
[17:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: we're covered so much I've forgotten what originally caused this. Did the PC have a version of Jaunty already installed and you did a package upgrade and it broke, or was the upgrade from an earlier release (Intrepid, Hardy, etc.) ?
[17:35] <Ienorand> djcip: You have looked through volume controls?
[17:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: no, it was when Intrepid changed kernel versions during development
[17:35] <djcip> Ienorand, i think so.. is there somewhere to control specifically left and right channel
[17:36] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I had Jaunty and a safe-upgrade caused this
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: that upgrade ran today?
[17:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: when was the last time that system did an upgrade?
[17:36] <Newbee> It says: Running /scripts/init-premount... ; udevram trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured ; done "
[17:37] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: yes, today.
[17:37] <djcip> Ienorand, they show that all my bars are equal to eachother anywhere there are 2 bars
[17:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: haha!
[17:37] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: it must have been between 12:00 and 14:00 that the system did this upgrade
[17:37] <Ienorand> djcip: There is usually more than one volume control which affects overall volume, take a look at all of them (perferences and tick all options) and see if any of them are off balance...
[17:38] <djcip> yup did that
[17:38] <djcip> Ienorand, all of them are checked - every channel has equal settings
[17:38] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: normaly I do at least once in 24h a safe-upgrade. When the system in running of course
[17:38] <djcip> Ienorand, the disproportion is also audible on my laptop speakers - so its not my headphones
[17:39] <Ienorand> djcip: Then I really don't know... Something in the sound application?
[17:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok... that error message, is that the 'exact' text (with no spelling mistakes) or your best memory of it? (I'm trying to find it in the scripts)
[17:40] <djcip> its skype but i imagine its idenpendent of the application..
[17:40] <djcip> idk
[17:40] <djcip> i'll check
[17:40] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: a mixture. I took notes, but cause I' am not a native speaker and I did them fast, I'll have another look.
[17:41] <Halow> Skype has some setting to auto adjust your sound settings.
[17:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: thanks... if you can catch that one I can find out where it is generated
[17:41] <Newbee> udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured
[17:42] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: this is what I have found
[17:44] <Ienorand> djcip: Test out just playing some test audio with another app
[17:46] <LogicalDash> Is it just me, or has Pidgin started crashing on login to google talk?
[17:48] <IntuitiveNipple> LogicalDash:  bug #357949
[17:48] <LogicalDash> tyvm
[17:49] <djcip> now i'm not getting sound in firefox :(
[17:49] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: I've been wondering about the "no net" bug mentioned (I've got it right that you are TJ?): If disabling network-manager does resolve the issue, can one rule out kernel issues with certainty?
[17:49] <Ienorand> djcip: Are you on KDE?
[17:50] <djcip> Ienorand,  gnome
[17:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: I don't think so since the error in that ifconfig test clearly comes from the kernel. It looks as if - somehow - NM causes it though
[17:51] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: Okay... then should I put back a non-invalid tag on the kernel in that bug then?
[17:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: for now yes... set it to 'in progress' since I'm still considering it but not seen anything to give me inspiration so far :)
[17:52] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: did you find it? By the way, where can I find the init script so that I can have a little look at it?
[17:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: If I had the hardware to reproduce it a solution would be much easier
[17:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: no, I can't find it in the initrd scripts, binaries, or the udev source-code itself.
[17:53] <Ienorand> djcip: hmm... I am probably at just as much a loss as you... sorry
[17:54] <djcip> Ienorand, needed to apt-get install alsa-oss
[17:54] <IntuitiveNipple> NewbeeL /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[17:54] <djcip> and now i have both right and left at equal volumes
[17:54] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: If you want anything tested I'll gladly try it out.
[17:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: its more a case of being able to actively debug it with tools
[17:55] <djcip> Ienorand, the volume is soo low though
[17:55] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: but, when the system can output it, the programmers must have written it somewhere.
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: Could you reboot the PC and possibly take a digital photograph that captures the error message?
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: yes... i've tried searching on various shorter versions and fragments of the message you reportef but can't find anything that even remotely matches it
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> s/reported/reported/
[17:58] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: in forum in my native language some could fix the problem by booting an old kernel and then doing a dkkg --configure -a. So it might be an upgrade failure. But I have no other kernel installed.
[17:59] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: @picture: I have to begg my brother for his cam first. Will take a few minutes. I do not one one for myself ;-(
[17:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: haha! that error messages - it doesn't occur when the PC boots, is that right? It occurs when the udev package was being upgraded?
[17:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: don't worry about the photo !
[18:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: here's someone else with the same report. not sure if it is also your issue but it is a clue to helping me understand it.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1085346
[18:00] <djcip> Ienorand, that fixed everything now
[18:01] <djcip> of course i get a buzz sometimes
[18:01] <djcip> but w/e
[18:01] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: what I found was in a German forum. And I understand German much better than English, so I was happy about that ;-) .
[18:02] <djcip> Ienorand, i just turned down my overall levels - now no more buzz
[18:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: OK, let me clear since I've reread what you reported and compared it against that forum report.
[18:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You see the "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured" when the PC is booting, just before it leaves you at the initrd busybox prompt?
[18:02] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: but the guy on that forum reported the message as coming up during the boot process. And what he pasted was what I see
[18:03] <sparr> FATAL: Error inserting usb_storage (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[18:03] <sparr> same error trying to insert any additional modules
[18:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: you mean on the German languahe forum? can you give me the link?
[18:03] <Ienorand> djcip: Glad to hear, sorry I wasn't much of help though.
[18:03] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/nach-update-bootet-laptop-nicht-mehr/ . There is what I see
[18:03] <sparr> is anyone else encountering this in jaunty?
[18:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I think this is the cause then: "Der Updatevorgang hatte (warum auch immer) automatisch einen Neustart veranlasst obwohl die neuen Pakete zwar installiert aber eben noch nicht konfiguriert waren"
[18:05] <amon__> he Newbee did you try " sudo dpkg --configure -a " ?
[18:05] <IntuitiveNipple> amon__ He can't, not directly, the PC fails in the initrd.
[18:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I think the best solution is to use the live-CD to chroot the hard disk installation and fix the upgrades
[18:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm not sure how successful doing that from Arch might be, though
[18:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: in *theory* it should be okay
[18:07] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: Than I would need a jaunty live CD I think. And then chroot to / and /boot and dpkg --configure -a ?
[18:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: You *ought* to be able to use arch to create the chroot jail... something like what I'm about to pastebin for you...
[18:10] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I have the jaunty iso still available. So I think about burning it to a CD-RW. So I can make use of all the Debian tools if I need to.
[18:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147783/
[18:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: just make sure I've used the correct /dev/sda? for / and /boot
[18:13] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I will check this by the contents of the filesystems
[18:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: I'm pretty sure if the live-CD maintains the same mapping as earlier
[18:21] <declanpwalsh> Hello! Anyone having USB issues?
[18:21] <ode> hi
[18:21] <BUGabundo> declanpwalsh: what kind?
[18:21] <BUGabundo> ode: hi, welcome
[18:22] <ode> 'set completion-ignore-case on' is not working for me in jaunty
[18:22] <declanpwalsh> Not recognising usb flashdrive at all
[18:22] <ode> anyone else experiencing this?
[18:22] <BUGabundo> declanpwalsh: humm does it work on another PC?
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> I'm sure it was ok yesterday. Tried two devices and updated and restarted. Im on Kubuntu jaunty
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> Works fine on windows
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> well, windows on another machine.
[18:23] <IntuitiveNipple> ode bug #243489
[18:23] <declanpwalsh> worked fine until yesterday
[18:25] <Halow> Woah. Netsplit.
[18:25] <BUGabundo> declanpwalsh: stuff breaks
[18:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: how are you getting on?
[18:25] <XVampireX> Folks is flash working fine for everyone on 64bit?
[18:26] <Ienorand> declanpwalsh: sparr was having just the same issue here before
[18:26] <fosco__> XVampireX, yes for me
[18:26] <declanpwalsh> True. I'll try again on another machine and see. I'll try other device again.
[18:26] <Ienorand> XVampireX: for me yes
[18:26] <XVampireX> And you're using flash from the repos right?
[18:26] <ode> ah, thanks
[18:26] <fosco__> XVampireX, yes
[18:26] <Ienorand> [QUOTE:] sparr	FATAL: Error inserting usb_storage (/lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko): Cannot allocate memory
[18:27] <declanpwalsh> Ienorand: Thanks. I'll check launchpad
[18:27] <fosco__> 32bits flash + nspluginwrapper
[18:27] <Ienorand> declanpwalsh: I did look around briefly and saw nothing
[18:28] <Spezl> can anyone tell me why flashplugin-nonfree is shown as being blocked in kpackagekit? apt-get upgrade won't install it too .. can i do anything about it?
[18:29] <fosco__> Spezl, try sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:29] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: burned CD
[18:29] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: will reboot now
[18:29] <Ienorand> Spezl: Hmm, it was blocked in apt-get for me as well, but it updated fine using update-manager
[18:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ahh ok, thought you were going to try with Arch :)
[18:30] <Holek_> and I got no sound in flash ;o
[18:30] <BUGabundo> Spezl: building depencies, maybe?
[18:31] <Spezl> BUGabundo: how can i check?
[18:31] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I am more familiar with kubuntu. I am using this since 3 years. I ony have Arch to have a look at.
[18:31] <BUGabundo> Spezl: it should be the symptoms you have
[18:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok :)
[18:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: let's hope this does it!
[18:33] <Spezl> BUGabundo: so what am i going to do? :)
[18:33] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: I too. But at least I have learned a little bit about my system.
[18:33] <XVampireX> Well can anyone help me with flash on linux? >_<
[18:33] <BUGabundo> Spezl: wait for it to build?
[18:34] <bmunger> is there some special way to submit a bug report.. i submitted one a while ago but it hasnt been touched
[18:34] <IntuitiveNipple> You can get some clues as to why packages are held-back with apt-get by adding the option "-o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true" to the command-line
[18:34] <BUGabundo> bmunger: what was it?
[18:35] <bmunger> hold on getting the link
[18:35] <Spezl> BUGabundo: ah, now i got it .. sorry, quite new to linux and no native english speaker :)
[18:35] <bmunger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/356287
[18:35] <BUGabundo> Spezl: no prob
[18:35] <bmunger> neat it responds with the bug
[18:36] <bmunger> it won't let me select the package affected either because it says its not in ubuntu even though its on the list
[18:36] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: yeah, you just need to put bug #1
[18:36] <bmunger> so i think there's a bug in the bug reporter
[18:37] <IntuitiveNipple> what package are you trying to select?
[18:37] <bmunger> plasmoid-networkmanager
[18:38] <BUGabundo> bmunger: unfortunatelly NM plasmoid is very broken
[18:38] <bmunger> u'Package plasmoid-networkmanager not published in Ubuntu'
[18:38] <bmunger> yea it is very broken
[18:38] <bmunger> but im concerned why my bug hasnt been assigned, touched, or anything
[18:38] <BUGabundo> bmunger: try to use gnome-networkmanager
[18:38] <bmunger> but im using kde
[18:39] <BUGabundo> it also works
[18:39] <bmunger> its not a big deal now im just testing it in vmware but its a glaring issue thats so close to release and nobody has filed a report on it
[18:39] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah, i can confirm that doesn't like it
[18:39] <bmunger> did i do something wrong on the bug filing?
[18:40] <bmunger> thanks IntuitiveNipple
[18:40] <bmunger> if its still broke by release i will use the gnome one i guess
[18:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I was confirming the weird launchpad behaviour - just to be clear :)
[18:41] <bmunger> thought so
[18:42] <bmunger> so did i screw up the bug report and thats why nobody has seen it or are the devs too busy
[18:42] <BUGabundo> too busy
[18:42] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: sorted. there's two entries and one is incorrectly spelt
[18:42] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: "plasmoid-network-manager"
[18:42] <bmunger> i mean i look at the others reported.. such trivial things and they seem to get responded to much faster
[18:42] <BUGabundo> not many devs on the Kubuntu team either
[18:42] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: I've added it now
[18:42] <bmunger> thanks IntuitiveNipple
[18:42] <bmunger> ok
[18:43] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: hah! spoke too soon, it threw both out now!
[18:43] <bmunger> weird
[18:43] <IntuitiveNipple> that *was* weird, it initally accepted it, or so I thought
[18:43] <bmunger> maybe i need to file a bug report for the bug reporter
[18:43] <bmunger> heh
[18:43] <Ienorand> You also getting timouts here and there in lp?
[18:44] <IntuitiveNipple> It's definitely a luanchpad bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-network-manager
[18:45] <BUGabundo> its bug day, after all
[18:45] <BUGabundo> it can cause timeouts
[18:46] <BUGabundo> see you tommorrow
[18:47] <bmunger> cool thats a nice bit of information.. the version number is scary low too
[18:48] <bmunger> hasn't been an update in more than a month
[18:51] <ode> since I know https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/243489 is broken in 9.04 do I need to do anything else to mark it as effecting Jaunty specifically?
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: Bug #358630
[18:53] <IntuitiveNipple> ode: no, the fact it is current means it affects the latest version
[18:53] <ode> ah, thanks
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> ode: you could check upstream/other distros to see if it is Ubuntu specific... if it is, it might be easier to fix since it'll be in the ubuntu patches
[18:54] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: it works
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: YAY *party-time*
[18:54] <Newbee> Year, that's great.
[18:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I think we needa bug report for that, but it is difficult to know where to post it
[18:56] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: thank you for your help
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: you're welcome. I'm trying to find out where to post that configure bug now
[19:00] <bmunger> thank you IntuitiveNipple
[19:00] <XVampireX> Hmm
[19:00] <bmunger> i will watch that one and see if they touch it
[19:00] <XVampireX> Flash seems to be working only without hardware acceleration
[19:01] <maek> anyone know how to disable metacity? Its not listed in the startup applications anymore as "window manager"
[19:05] <Veinor> How on earth did I just get 130+ updates given that I checked for them yesterday?
[19:06] <crdlb> Veinor: final freeze :)
[19:06] <Veinor> Ah.
[19:07] <crdlb> I expect updates will be quite slow from now on
[19:08] <Veinor> So this is basically final unless we find a bug that will format your hard drive or whatever?
[19:08] <Veinor> And by we I mean you.
[19:10] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: ok, that's a good idea to save some others time ;-) . I'd like to help, but I have to leave and do some karate now.
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Newbee: ok, thanks for sticking with it. we're reporting it now
[19:11] <Ienorand> Veinor: Just all fixes will have to be confirmed by release-team et al
[19:12] <deany> i`ll just hold off, rather than update every file a million times :) sounds quite messy
[19:12] <panaggio> after my last apt-get upgrade yesterday, my main partition is only getting mounted ro
[19:13] <ode> i had a look at fedora and opensuse bug trackers and couldn't see anything that looked the same
[19:13] <edgy> Hi, when I choose mobile broadband -> add I don't see a list of providers, how can I display the list?
[19:13] <Newbee> IntuitiveNipple: and thanks for your attemps to explain the problem to me. I like learning something about the software I am using.
[19:13] <bmunger> IntuitiveNipple: i foudn the problem, those packages have been deleted, it was changed to plasma-widget-network-manager
[19:13] <bmunger> i hope that makes a difference
[19:14] <Ienorand> panaggio: I think it updated fstab recently, did you have a manual config?
[19:14] <ode> upstream bash changelog is pretty extensive, but i don't think it's there either
[19:14] <panaggio> lenorand: no. I have never edited fstab on this install
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> bmunger: really? but there is still a package being published? strange
[19:16] <Joker_-_> Anyone here uses something similar to torrentflux (or torrentflux-b4rt)? I'm looking for a web based torrent download client.
[19:16] <panaggio> lenorand: if I remount it (mount -o remount,rw /) I can do a lot of things with root. But with other users, I cando almost nothing =/
[19:16] <Joker_-_> I'm wondering if theres anything newer than torrentflux has it hasnt been updated for almost a year
[19:17] <bmunger> IntuitiveNipple: yea someone didn't clean up apparently
[19:19] <Ienorand> panaggio: Are they in the plugdev group? and what does "cat /etc/fstab" give you (pastebin.com)
[19:19] <Exilant> my user wasn't in group users, while trying to fix it i accidentally took me out of all groups. can someone type "id (primaryusername)" or so and tell me the output?
[19:19] <tech404> IntuitiveNipple, Deluge is about as good as it gets. With the Jaunty update you have the client run in the background whenever you want and you can connect to it with CLI,GUI, and web
[19:20] <Picassotamus> is 8.04->9.04 going to be a supported upgrade path?
[19:20] <tech404> Joker_-_,  See my message to IntuitiveNipple. IntuitiveNipple, plz disregard
[19:21] <IntuitiveNipple> tech404: ahhh! I was getting very confused there
[19:21] <Ienorand> Exilant: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/KD80sK
[19:21] <janakaclk> Picassotamus: didnt get what you ment by upgrade path
[19:22] <Picassotamus> janakaclk: Just, if i can go from LTS to LTS, or if i will need to upgrade to 8.1 first
[19:22] <Exilant> Ienorand: thanks a lot
[19:23] <maxb> Picassotamus: You can go from LTS to LTS, but 9.04 is not a LTS
[19:23] <janakaclk> sorry Picassotamus. That I am not sure. I upgraded to 8.10 before 9.04
[19:23] <tech404> Whats the best way to get a bug noticed? I have a serious regression but it hasn't been triaged but it has been there for like 2-3 weeks.
[19:23] <Picassotamus> maxb: I thought it was going to be... so ill need 8.1 first then i will assume
[19:24] <Ienorand> Picassotamus: LTS is two years apart afaik so next is 10.04, (right?)
[19:24] <janakaclk> Sorry i never bothered to find what is LTS.. what is really LTS?
[19:24] <maxb> Picassotamus: There is no such thing as 8.1
[19:25] <maxb> Picassotamus: Are you using Kubuntu, btw?
[19:25] <Picassotamus> maxb: 8.1 = 8.10
[19:25] <Picassotamus> maxb: no
[19:25] <maxb> Picassotamus: In your head, perhaps :-)
[19:26] <Ienorand> tech404: Work to supply as much info as possible... see if you can narrow it down to a package and version etc. Even better if you can supply a patch :)
[19:26] <Joker_-_> janakaclk: Long Term Support
[19:26] <janakaclk> thanks Joker_-_
[19:26] <acicula> is there a way to prefetch packages with the update manager(when upgradeing with -d_
[19:26] <Joker_-_> tech404: deluge... I'll check it out
[19:26] <maxb> Picassotamus: the "10" relates to October, which "1" clearly doesn't
[19:26] <Joker_-_> tech404: thx
[19:27] <maxb> acicula: No, I have resorted to apt-get hackery in the past
[19:27] <Picassotamus> maxb: Thats right, i learned that the other day... just being 'mathy' i guess
[19:28] <maxb> Version numbers aren't decimals :-)
[19:31] <Holek_> i have no sound in flash
[19:32] <Holek_> also flash plugin crashes firefox upon closing the tab
[19:32] <Holek_> i've installed flashplugin-installer package
[19:33] <panaggio> lenorand: I had to type my fstab. Couldn't mount my pendrive on the problematic machine
[19:33] <panaggio> lenorand: http://pastebin.com/d33524cb8
[19:33] <Holek_> anyone on this flash prob?
[19:35] <panaggio> lenorand: I couldn't figure out what is they in "Are they in the plugdev group?"
[19:35] <panaggio> lenorand: "they" == the users I've tested?
[19:35] <janakaclk> I had the same problem
[19:35] <janakaclk> with flash
[19:36] <janakaclk> I upgraded the flash plugin in to r10.**
[19:36] <janakaclk> and changed the default sound device for ubuntu
[19:36] <janakaclk> and then it worked ok most of the time
[19:36] <Holek_> hm
[19:37] <efefppo> Has the google calendar bug in evoluition been fixed?
[19:37] <Ienorand> panaggio: run "id" in a terminal to see which groups the current user is in, and make sure group 46(plugdev) is among them
[19:37] <Holek_> janakaclk: did you upgraded it from the repo or from adobe's website?
[19:37] <Holek_> and which package did you use?
[19:37] <janakaclk> but sometimes when skype or pidgin use the sound card when i start the flash plugin it doesnt work
[19:37] <janakaclk> adobe's website
[19:38] <janakaclk> Holek_: did you see any bugs created for this
[19:39] <janakaclk> Holek_: for the flash problem i mean
[19:39] <Joker_-_> damn, I'm running this irssi as root, brb
[19:39] <panaggio> lenorand: my user is in plugdev
[19:40] <Holek_> janakaclk: nope, haven't
[19:40] <Ienorand> and it is the windows and/or recovery partitions that's troublesome?
[19:40] <Exilant> Ienorand: hm, you also seem to be out of group users
[19:40] <Exilant> is that a jaunt bug or an oddity?
[19:41] <Holek_> janakaclk: i should have, shouldn't I? :P
[19:41] <janakaclk> Holek_: go for it :)
[19:42] <Ienorand> Exilant: Hmm, I haven't thought about it... don't know....
[19:42] <janakaclk> Holek_: The reason I didnt put the bug is.. We only can report it.. but do you know any logs that can be used to diagnose the problem
[19:43] <panaggio> lenorand: I can read from and write to /media/windows or /media/recovery
[19:43] <panaggio> lenorand: my / is always being mounted as ro. and that's the problemw
[19:45] <Holek_> janakaclk: oh my, changing the sound dev helped :D
[19:46] <mbeierl> efefppo: not to my knowledge
[19:47] <mbeierl> efefppo: sorry - I thought you said exchange calendar, not google
[19:47] <janakaclk> Have anyone used pulseaudio as the primary sound device?
[19:49] <Ienorand> panaggio: Oh... right... Might be errors causing it to remount read-only then... tried running manual fsck? "touch /forcefsck"
[19:49] <Holek_> janakaclk: Amarok changes to pulseaudio at start, as it says that my default device is unavailable
[19:49] <Holek_> but it works ;o
[19:50] <panaggio> lenorand: I've checked it yesterday, after I saw the problem at the first time. everything all right
[19:51] <Ienorand> By the way, could anyone else on an ext3 root fs run "cat /etc/fstab" and see if the defaults option is set for "/", on ext4 it is not so I was wondering...
[19:52] <janakaclk> Holek_: you mean Amarok changes the OS default sound device?
[19:52] <Holek_> nope
[19:52] <Holek_> just falls back to pulseaudio itself
[19:53] <janakaclk> Holek_: ohh ok :)
[19:54] <siegie> Ienorand: do you have a sec, i'm starting my desktop now.
[19:55] <uffo> how i can improve signal strenght with my wifi card, it is very poor compared to others on same range http://paste.ubuntu.com/147841/
[19:55] <siegie> Ienorand: a beta installation only has the options relatime and errors=remount-ro
[19:56] <siegie> my desktop is running on ext3 btw and my laptop on ext4
[19:57] <panaggio> lenorand: do you think I should remove defaults from / options ?
[19:57] <Ienorand> panaggio: So... a wild guess would be to remove the defaults option... yes... I have no idea if it may work, but, if you want to try go ahead...
[19:58] <panaggio> lenorand: I've done first, asked second =)
[19:59] <panaggio> lenorand: same problem.
[19:59] <Chr|s> In Nautilus, how do I list what folders I want from my home folder?
[19:59] <Chr|s> on the sidebar
[20:00] <panaggio> lenorand: I can read a lot o return 24 on that "login log" (don't know its "real" name)
[20:00] <panaggio> and I couldn't find anywhere what exit code 24 mean
[20:00] <panaggio> lenorand: is it a clue? Or maybe it's just a consequence
[20:01] <Ienorand> panaggio: hmm, I'm kinda lost as well...
[20:01] <Chr|s> nevermind I figured it out
[20:02] <panaggio> lenorand: do you think it would be easier to I reinstall the system? Or do you think I should keep trying to solve the problem?
[20:03] <panaggio> :s:to I reinstall:to reinstall
[20:04] <Ienorand> panaggio: I don't know, honestly, since I have no idea what the problem might be, if it might be some configuration or if there might be a physical problem with the disk in some area...
[20:07] <spaceBARbarian> whats the difference between the beta release vs daily live cd ?
[20:07] <Pici> The daily cds are generated every day
[20:07] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: dailies have updates since the beta
[20:07] <spaceBARbarian> rconan so i won't have to do as many updates if i get a daily right ?
[20:07] <Pici> And the dailies are less tested.
[20:07] <rconan> but are even less guaranteed to work than the beta
[20:07] <spaceBARbarian> hmm
[20:08] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: trye
[20:08] <panaggio> lenorand: thanks a lot. I'll try some help later. I'll try to solve it here again
[20:08] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: try the daily but if it goes wrong try the beta
[20:08] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, i dont want something unstable, but i also dont want to get the beta and then get 200 updates
[20:08] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: well you'll get at least a couple of hundred megs of updates if you install the beta
[20:09] <rconan> if you don't want something unstable use the stable release
[20:09] <uffo> how i can improve signal strenght with my wifi card, it is very poor compared to others on same range http://paste.ubuntu.com/147841/ ubuntu 8.10 had same problem
[20:09] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, so the beta is the latest stable release ?
[20:09] <spaceBARbarian> stable as in most tested
[20:09] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: no... intrepid is the latest stable release
[20:10] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: the beta is the most stable jaunty release though (which is what I think you mean)
[20:10] <Ienorand> panaggio: by the way, your /dev/hda, are you sure that is the cdrom? (device name seems a bit odd...)
[20:10] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, yeah thats what i meant
[20:10] <spaceBARbarian> beta it is then
[20:10] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: there are, however, many many updates every day
[20:10] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: which, assuming the daily installer works, will be the same as installing a daily
[20:10] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, yeah i noticed that when i tried intrepid beta
[20:11] <spaceBARbarian> rconan, oh okay so then i might as well use a daily because i do let updates run
[20:11] <rconan> spaceBARbarian: yeah, but if you have problems with the installer, try the beta since it's a more tested isntaller
[20:11] <spaceBARbarian> okay thks
[20:11] <Creative1412> guys i got an encoding problem
[20:12] <Creative1412> please see that: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5462/screenshotnnl.png
[20:13] <wirechief> The install on my usb stick seemed to lose the xorg.conf settings, i had to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to recover, is this a bug with using the stick ?
[20:14] <wirechief> it booted to a terminal screen and i used it, to get back. it did it first on my desktop then my laptop.
[20:16] <panaggio> lenorand: I use a sata hd. I think my cdrom is really at /dev/hda. but I'll try it out. I'm rechecking hd
[20:16] <Creative1412> guys i got an encoding problem
[20:16] <Creative1412> please see that: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5462/screenshotnnl.png
[20:17] <Creative1412> belive it or not i have allmost 100 files like those two
[20:17] <panaggio> lenorand: as the problem occurred on an upgrade, I was thinking that another upgrade may solve the problem
[20:18] <Creative1412> they are supposed to be written in arabic under windows
[20:18] <panaggio> lenorand: do you think it's possible?
[20:19] <Ienorand> panaggio: As I said, I have really no clue what the problem might be... maybe yes, maybe no, all I can say unfortunately.
[20:20] <panaggio> lenorand: ok. thanks again. I'll try to find somewhere I can update it (my last try to solve the problem), as I'm using dial up here right now
[20:25] <mbeierl> Creative1412: how did you get those files to Linux?
[20:25] <Creative1412> by a rar files
[20:26] <Creative1412> and my ntfs's partions gives the same under KDE
[20:26] <mbeierl> Creative1412: ok, there goes my only theories, sorry, I'm no encoding expert :(
[20:27] <Creative1412> mbeierl: the problem that didn't happen even under dapper! :@
[20:34] <ddastoor> i upgraded from intrepid to jaunty and i can't see any notifications
[20:34] <ddastoor> what should i do to enable them ?
[20:35] <mib_vsuf1bh2> Just used update manager to update my jaunty beta installation, last updated a day or so ago, upon rebooting (which was required), now won't boot, Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!
[20:35] <mib_vsuf1bh2> I can get it up and running by dropping to a previous kernel, is this a known problem?
[20:35] <ddastoor> i upgraded to jaunty from intrepid and my notifications are not showing.. how do i enable them ?
[20:41] <mib_vsuf1bh2> Hi, appreciate jaunty might break, and there is no support, but does anyone know why the kernel upgrade just now prevents jaunty from booting
[20:41] <imachine> mib_vsuf1bh2, works for me
[20:41] <IntuitiveNipple> oh no, not another one!
[20:42] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: The likely issue is: bug #358654 ... take a look see if it matches your scenario
[20:42] <mib_vsuf1bh2> imachine: when did you last update, and reboot
[20:42] <mib_vsuf1bh2> ubottu: looks like the badger
[20:42] <imachine> mib_vsuf1bh2, dunno, today
[20:43] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: that looks like its the badger
[20:43] <lupine_85> I'm attempting to get a DVB-T card working in Jaunty, but it's failing to tune the card
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: I spent 3 hours this afternoon with Newbee tracking that **** down! Hope you've got another install you can boot to, or a live-CD :)
[20:44] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: it books from another kernel same install
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: That sounds useful!
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: someone else reported that didn't help them
[20:45] <IntuitiveNipple> mib_vsuf1bh2: so your damage is limited to the initrd image
[20:46] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: is this the ext4 problem i've heard about
[20:46] <IntuitiveNipple> no, if you've got the bug I pointed you to, this is a problem with a system restart being prompted and done before all packages have finished updating
[20:47] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: ah ok just looking at launchpad now... perhaps I can update with the other kernel and then reboot
[20:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, if it is the same issue, all you need do is boot from the other kernel and run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[20:49] <mib_vsuf1bh2> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[20:51] <khear> is usb-creator supposed to be installed by default on kubuntu? seems like i'm getting it with the latest upgrades, along with a bunch of gnome packages
[20:55] <fault> can somebody help me please? im experiencing dependecy problems while upgrading to jaunty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147867/
[20:56] <fault> is there a way to fix this depency problems?
[20:56] <spaceBARbarian> hey whats the best way to share a drive between windows and linux ?
[20:56] <spaceBARbarian> or a partition
[20:56] <fault> i use a ntfs partition.
[21:02] <FoxBlitzz> I'm a bit confused about audio config in Kubuntu Jaunty
[21:02] <sofi2> kkkkkkhjjkhjkhjkkjjjjghjghjhg
[21:03] <FoxBlitzz> What's with the PulseAudio option? How can I route that to my desktop speakers and not my headset?
[21:03] <FoxBlitzz> Also, why isn't Flash playback affected by KDE volume settings?
[21:03] <FoxBlitzz> Finally, why can't I mute volume?
[21:04] <peter__> I'm trying to get Blender to work on Ubuntu...
[21:05] <Mene-Mene> I can get what's in the repositories working.
[21:05] <Mene-Mene> But I can't seem to get a 64 bit edition.
[21:05] <Mene-Mene> Are the repositories 64 bit?
[21:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Mene-Mene: The repositories contain packages for both x86 and amd64 architectures, and the correct packages are installed based on the installed architecture
[21:07] <Mene-Mene> But they aren't always made available, correct?
[21:07] <PrebenR> hi. I have turned off sound events in gnome and xfce and gconf, but still programs keep playing event sounds (gtk programs) Is this a bug?
[21:07] <Mene-Mene> So it's possible that it could be 32 bit, and it's possible it could be 64 bit.
[21:08] <PrebenR> FoxBlitzz, I also cannot mute now after last upgrade
[21:09] <PrebenR> I don't use  kde though
[21:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Mene-Mene: the only time packages aren't available for both architectures is when they won't work on one or the other.
[21:10] <Mene-Mene> I wasn't aware that non-canonical repositories were updated instantly.
[21:11] <spaceBARbarian> whats a good setup of partitions with different mount points ?
[21:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Mene-Mene: for example, packages that contain programs that directly call BIOS functions used to only be available on x86, but since we now use the libx86, both x86 and amd64 can do that so packages can be provided for both.
[21:12] <PrebenR> FoxBlitzz, sorry muting was my fault. it works
[21:13] <FoxBlitzz> I don't get it. I can mute the CD and headphones
[21:13] <FoxBlitzz> But why can't I mute master?
[21:13] <spaceBARbarian> whats a good setup of partitions with different mount points ?
[21:13] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: I tend to use LVM - one PV and then several LVs with some spare left in the PV for extending into later. I have separate volumes for /boot (ext3), / (LVM encrypted ext4), /var (LVM encrypted ext4), /home (LVM encrypted ext4) and several others
[21:14] <spaceBARbarian> IntuitiveNipple: holy crap,thats a little too intense
[21:14] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: It is sensible :)
[21:15] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: I've had to increase /var from 4GB to 6 and then 8GB recently
[21:15] <spaceBARbarian> IntuitiveNipple: well you know your stuff, how about a simple setup for a laptop that i am dual botting on
[21:15] <IntuitiveNipple> spaceBARbarian: This is a laptop too, dual-boot set-up.
[21:15] <hmw> did my last message reach this channel?
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> i only have 100gb of ram
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> *disk
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> lol
[21:16] <spaceBARbarian> ram
[21:18] <hmw> after a week of not using my (quite stable) jaunty, i updated, and the machine froze. After reboot the system was damaged (not able to login in Gnome). Some time later, I decided to wipe the partition. Setup froze at a similar point in the process. I managed to make it work by using the dpkg option in the "repair boot menu", but now I have several strange things going on, and need help to track the error(s) down. [...]
[21:19] <hmw> My current problem is with compiz/shift switcher. When I press the hot key and trigger the "next window" some times, X dies and I have to relogin. syslog says something about "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler". What could that indicate?
[21:32] <Belboz991> Hey all, recent update to my 9.04-64 build has caused Gnome to lock up upon login, log of X shows it hanging on "Leaving Restore TV", any ideas?
[21:34] <Joker_-__> I installed deluge, it worked fine but once I uploaded a torrent to the torrent directory, poof, crashed and now it wont work anymore
[21:40] <nemo> hmw: say, by any chance (freeze damaging system) were you using ext4?
[21:40] <hmw> nemo: now i am. Before I used ext3
[21:40] <nemo> hmw: and, when you "froze" did you check that it had totally frozen? (ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-del, ssh/ping, magic sysrq ? :) )
[21:41] <hmw> in 2 of 3 occations, i could reboot usong sysrq only, in the 3rd occasion, this didnt work, too
[21:41] <nemo> hmw: anyway. I had something similar to this happen with me ext4.  rather than track down mysterious errors caused by damage lord knows what, I just reinstalled all my packages
[21:42] <hmw> nemo: i had a wonderfully working version, last updated a week ago, which crashed due to a full disk...
[21:42] <hmw> i could try reinstalling on ext3, though.
[21:43] <hmw> you think, some files are damaged, or what would be the case, if ext4 was to blame_
[21:44] <hmw> well... I will find out... i love setup orgies
[21:46] <Belboz991> nemo, you have any idea as to what would make X hang upon login after a recent update?
[21:46] <spaceBARbarian> how do you get to the guided method with the jaunty installer ?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: Intel GPU?
[21:48] <Belboz991> BUGabundo:  ATI Radeon XPress 200 IIRC
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ok, diff bug
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: driver -ati or closed source?
[21:49] <Belboz991> BUGabundo: tried "radeon", "ati" and "vesa" all hang
[21:49] <BUGabundo> vesa too?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> that's strange
[21:50] <Belboz991> it hangs on "Leaving Restore TV" with the first two
[21:50] <BUGabundo> can you try a recovery gnome ?
[21:50] <Belboz991> vesa it just hangs with no indication
[21:50] <Belboz991> best method for doing that?
[21:51] <nemo> Belboz991: welp. guess you'll be checking dmesg/Xorg log/xsession errors :)
[21:51] <BUGabundo> end login/session, press option, select recovery
[21:51] <hmw> i just had a problem with gnome (wouldnt let me in anymore), which seemingly was repaired with the dpkg option on the boot menu ("repair mode")
[21:53] <BUGabundo> ah
[21:53] <Belboz991> well, I see wallpaper, that's an improvement :P
[21:55] <Belboz991> BUGabundo: nope, I get the desktop background, a cursor, and that's all she wrote :(
[21:56] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:56] <BUGabundo> that looks terrivebly like the intel bug, which means it's the kernel bug
[21:56] <BUGabundo> cwillu was working on that
[21:57] <nemo> hmw: re: files, ext4 isn't *really* to blame
[21:57] <nemo> hmw: your running it on an unstable system that crashes while it has files open is :)
[21:57] <hmw> i see
[21:57] <BUGabundo> just run $ sync more often
[21:57] <nemo> hmw: so. gnome replaces a file, replacement isn't synced...
[21:58] <nemo> BUGabundo: was gonna say that :)  - put sync in a cron ;)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[21:58] <hmw> i understand... i just rebooted the live cd
[21:58] <BUGabundo> like, every second
[21:58] <nemo> hmw: anyway. I just ran a dpkg -i of everything in the cache dir
[21:58] <nemo> or at least, the latest of each
[21:58] <nemo> hmw: I got a mostly functional system, and did a reinstall of everything from synaptic after that
[21:58] <nemo> from that point on I was fine
[21:58] <nemo> but, was an unpleasant 30 minutes of repair :-/
[21:59] <hmw> i tried dpkg already. At least i could log in after. But i had some strange things happening. I want my previous jaunty back *sniff*
[21:59] <nemo> hmw: if you can boot the system, I wouldn't bother with live CD
[21:59] <hmw> nah, i dont trust this install.
[21:59] <hmw> it crashed while installing from the cd, and i managed to make it boot thereafter. Doesnt make me feel very confident about everthing being repairable...
[22:00] <nemo> *shrug* your call :)
[22:00] <Belboz991> BUGabundo: Xorg.failsafe.0.log shows: Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE as the last line.
[22:00] <hmw> too late, i already restarted the setup *g*
[22:00] <SnoFox> Crap.
[22:00] <Belboz991> before that, are similar lines with COMOSITE, RANDR, and RENDER
[22:01] <hmw> Maybe it will crash again, and I can find a pattern for a bug report...
[22:01] <SnoFox> I can't get Xorg in failsafe mode.
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: I'm not the best person to reply there
[22:01] <Belboz991> thanks anyway BUGabundo, do you have any links that may be of use?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: nice way to start your way in :(
[22:01] <Belboz991> I'd really like to have access to my laptop back, and I've hit a wall :/
[22:02] <SnoFox> BUGabundo: I know, but I'm stuck on TTY1. I'm trying to get this fixed quick. :)
[22:02] <SnoFox> I'm right to the point. :p
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Belboz991: do it the hard way? boot into recovery mode, run XFIX, reboot, recovery again, su USER; startx
[22:02] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: try my advice to Belboz991
[22:03] <SnoFox> BUGabundo: What about failsafe mode? With my intellect, I'm probably just doing it wrong.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: is that from GDM?
[22:04] <SnoFox> GDM, yes.
[22:05] <hmw> "built in extension DAMAGE"... lol
[22:05] <BUGabundo> we really need so X guru here
[22:05] <SnoFox> Heh.
[22:05] <BUGabundo> I can't help all of you guys
[22:05] <BUGabundo> I just help with basic, and repeable stuff
[22:05] <BUGabundo> like posting bug links and emails info
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I miss cwillu.... he is the expert on those nasty X vs Kernel bugs
[22:06] <SnoFox> Erm, you don't know how to start X in failsafe mode?
[22:06] <SnoFox> I think I'm doing it wrong.
[22:06] <BUGabundo> let me fetch someone from #ubuntu-x
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: the problem from earlier (with Newbee) turned out to be a major: bug #358654
[22:06] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I don't recall the bug or symptons
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: you may see people complaining of boot failures after update, so there's a heads-up for you
[22:07] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I got that
[22:07] <BUGabundo> total system corruption
[22:07] <BUGabundo> got me to fsck 2x
[22:07] <BUGabundo> thought it was HW prob on my side
[22:07] <RizR> volume is not very high since i upgraded to jaunty.
[22:08] <jester7> RizR: i've had that problem since hardy :(
[22:08] <RizR> any way to gain the volume other than putting it to maximum on volume control? :-)
[22:08] <IntuitiveNipple> no, it seems that several packages do not correctly depend on initramfs-tools and therefore the 'your system has been updated and needs to restart' prompt isn't delayed, so some users will trigger the reboot whilst packages haven't completed configuring themselves.
[22:08] <RizR> jester7, so what did u do? get powerful speakers? :-)
[22:09] <Halow> Check the PCM volume (you may have to click the Preferences button and check more boxes to show up in volume control).
[22:09] <jester7> RizR: in terminal type: alsamixer
[22:09] <jester7> RizR: i just deal with it
[22:09] <BUGabundo> RizR: jester7 I had that, and then it got fixed
[22:09] <jester7> BUGabundo: how did you get it fixed?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> updates?
[22:10] <RizR> guess what alsamixer shows me my pcm wasn't full. gnome volume control doesnt show pcm. hmm 1 sec.
[22:10] <jester7> RizR: that'll probably do it
[22:10] <RizR> jester7, yes. did it.
[22:10] <bicchi> Is it me or Jaunty does not notify of upgrades? So far I have been using "apt-get safe-upgrade" to do my updates since I never see any notifications but through the command prompt it is always getting upgrades.
[22:11] <RizR> BUGabundo, jester7: any idea how why gnome volume control doesn't have that?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> bicchi: Bug 332945
[22:11] <jester7> RizR: if you go to preferences, you should be able to add a checkmark
[22:11] <BUGabundo> RizR: try to enable it, on preferences
[22:11] <RizR> jester7, can't find that in preferences
[22:12] <BUGabundo> strange
[22:12] <BUGabundo> let see if dtchen or maco are around
[22:12] <BUGabundo> maco dtchen ping
[22:13] <RizR> BUGabundo, jester7 : that's fine. my volume control showed OSS Mixer. I selected Alsa Mixer. I've never really gotton my head around the sound system. quick 2 secs intro? :-)
[22:13] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[22:14] <dtchen> my nick does not highlight on that position
[22:14] <RizR> how come one device can work on two mixers?
[22:14] <dtchen> you need to either preface the sentence with it and a colon/comma, e.g., dtchen:
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ok dtchen,
[22:14] <jester7> RizR: make that two of us.  it's pretty convoluted methinks
[22:14] <dtchen> or you can use one of the keyword highlights i have (sound, alsa, pulseaudio, ...)
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ahhh keywords! why didnt I ever though on that lol
[22:15] <RizR> jester7, i like the way things work better on ubuntu and mostly Linux now but sometimes I just miss those times when everything was in front of you without GUI gimmicks :-)
[22:15] <dtchen> RizR: from what perspective?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> dtchen: you can go back to rest... RizR already figured out what was wrong
[22:16] <RizR> dtchen, hmm NetworkManger for once :-)
[22:16] <dtchen> asac is the person to talk to for NM
[22:17] <jester7> BUGabundo: i dont' know if you spend a lot of time in here, but i have to imagine you're getting A LOT of questions regarding the lack of support for fglrx this time around
[22:18] <BUGabundo> jester7: yes
[22:19] <BUGabundo> actually for the 1st cycle ever, NVidia is the quieter
[22:19] <jester7> the radeon drivers are struggling
[22:20] <jester7> if you have anyone come in asking about constant flickering with the radeon driver, even with compiz turned off, tell them to turn cpu scaling to something higher than 800mhz
[22:27] <Belboz991> dang, this sucks
[22:27] <Belboz991> my laptop is entirely unusable at this point :(
[22:28] <Ienorand> Hmm, in my experience there is more ado about intel and nvidia actally, at least in here...
[22:28] <Belboz991> and worse, there's no error output
[22:29] <BUGabundo> Ienorand: ado?
[22:30] <Ienorand> –noun; busy activity; bustle; fuss c.f. Much ado about nothing; W. Shakespeare :)
[22:32] <hmw> what does "not all updates can be installed" on a fresh install? it offers "partial upgrade"... simply ignore it?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> hmw: ignore
[22:32] <BUGabundo> prob still building depencies
[22:33] <hmw> another question: i install from a CDROM. Max. 700MB or so. It downloads another 300M. After finishing, i got 3G ??
[22:34] <hmw> thats quite some awesome compression
[22:41] <Chr|s> how does the system testing report thats sent to launchpad help? just curious how it works
[22:41] <myk_robinson> hey. seen a lot of people posting bootcharts on the forum.. How to I create this bootchart?
[22:42] <nemo> hmw: why does a mere 3:1 seem that impressive to you? :)
[22:42] <nemo> hmw: esp given any XML or similar will likely compress like 10:1 or better
[22:43] <hmw> hmm... seems i forgot, that in linux almost everything is a script...
[22:43] <nemo> I just ran bzip on a random executable and got 38%
[22:43] <nemo> hmw: that's in line with 3:1
[22:44] <BUGabundo> myk_robinson: install bootchart and bootchart-java
[22:44] <BUGabundo> then look in /var/log/bootchart
[22:44] <myk_robinson> thank you
[22:44] <nemo> hmw: 41942/110785
[22:44] <BUGabundo> and that reminds me to upload last week batch
[22:44] <hmw> bootchart-java wasnt nececary, when i used it last week in jaunty. It just created a png anyways (no java at all was installed)
[22:45] <nemo> say, someone linked me to a bootchart a few weeks ago - it was pretty cool, but it was truncated
[22:45] <nemo> anyone here who uses that happen to manage to generate one that isn't truncated?
[22:45] <nemo> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart/EliteBook-jaunty-20090313-7.png
[22:45] <nemo> that chart
[22:46] <nemo> terminates at 45s
[22:47] <arges> If I turn off effects in 9.04 gnome and use a virtual desktop (dual monitors), I can't set a picture background anymore... anybody else experiencing this?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> hmw: it changed along the cycle
[22:47] <BUGabundo> now we need either the java or py code to generate pngs
[22:48] <BUGabundo> nemo: I've been trying to make mine go further into GDM
[22:48] <BUGabundo> but FAIL
[22:48] <BUGabundo> arges: no
[22:49] <waxed> hi
[22:49] <arges> also why does the background 'fade' when I try to set the background picture?
[22:49] <waxed> does 9.04 have better bluetooth support?
[22:49] <graingert> heya
[22:49] <Duckthis> Hello peoples|
[22:50] <BUGabundo> arges: not really
[22:50] <graingert> virtualbox, and 3d on ubuntu 9.04 makes the cursor disappear with compiz, why is this?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hi waxed graingert Duckthis
[22:51] <arges> BUGabundo: what do you mean not really?
[22:51] <Chr|s> arges» because thats what its suppose to do
[22:51] <waxed> graingert: you mean you cant use Vbox on 9.04?
[22:51] <Chr|s> arges» it fades to the desktop you select when your selecting a different one
[22:51] <graingert> waxed-> no, ubuntu+1 under vbox
[22:52] <Duckthis> I just installed KDE and xfce over GNOME and now my background (before and after login screen) becomes blue even if I usr GNOME and default boot screené
[22:52] <arges> Chr|s: Yes, I understand. But I'm trying to figure out why I can't set the background when I have desktop effects disabled. Also I have HW acceleration disabled.
[22:52] <hmw> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1821160
[22:52] <Chr|s> arges» I'm not sure then
[22:53] <hmw> oops... wrong channel... sry
[22:53] <Chr|s> !ot | hmw
[22:53] <arges> Well looks like I'll file a bug then.
[22:54] <waxed> does 9.04 have better bluetooth support anyone?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> arges: wrong person... was meant for waxed
[22:54] <arges> ah
[22:54] <Chr|s> waxed» I would imagine so since its an upgrade from 8.10
[22:54] <Chr|s> waxed» but then again, I don't use bluetooth for anything currently
[22:55] <BUGabundo> I can transfer files, sync mobiles, but audio is not working for me in BT
[22:55] <waxed> oh
[22:55] <waxed> so its got a BT bug?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> don't know
[22:56] <waxed> well if audio is not working
[23:05] <dtchen> BUGabundo: BT is a PA issue
[23:05] <dtchen> should be fixed in luke's ppa
[23:05] <BUGabundo> dtchen: is it?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> for 9.14 ?
[23:06] <bruce89> are there two new months this year?
[23:06] <dtchen> BUGabundo: 0.9.15-test7 has the fixes
[23:06] <dtchen> jaunty's 0.9.14 does not
[23:06] <dtchen> also, jaunty does not ship with it loaded
[23:07] <BUGabundo> bruce89: LOL pulse audio version... not ubuntu release name
[23:07] <dtchen> i'll SRU the fixes if i can, but i'd rather fix upstream ALSA bugs at the time.
[23:07] <bruce89> BUGabundo: I see, but the 0.* makes all the difference
[23:07] <BUGabundo> dtchen: don't bother with me.... ill go to koala in one month
[23:08] <BUGabundo> bruce89: actually, "in" ubuntu its 1.09.14.... themuso made a mistake.... hehe
[23:08] <BUGabundo> opps and so did I
[23:08] <BUGabundo> 1:0.9.14
[23:09] <bruce89> BUGabundo: heh, don't worry about it
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dtchen: will inicial koala get 9.15 once the toolchains open, with kernel .29 support?
[23:09] <dtchen> BUGabundo: karmic will roll directly to 2.6.30-rc
[23:09] <dtchen> BUGabundo: and yes, 0.9.15 will be in it
[23:09] <frogonwheels> in jaunty - is there a kde  interface for xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto  --right-of DVI-0
[23:10] <frogonwheels> um. jaunty + kde 4.2
[23:11] <BUGabundo> dtchen: do you expect a calm cycle for audio, or more breakage?
[23:11] <zyberzero> kbmaniac:  are you there?
[23:12] <RAOF> frogonwheels: That _should_ be handled by the Screen resolution tool thingy.
[23:12] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i expect it to be eventful.
[23:12] <frogonwheels> RAOF: yeah - nice theory
[23:12] <RAOF> frogonwheels: But when I used it (a couple of months ago), mostly it wouldn't actually do anything.
[23:12] <frogonwheels> RAOF:  it's only got resolution and orientation
[23:14] <frogonwheels> RAOF: oh well, at least I can still do it with xrandr
[23:14] <ubuntu> Is there any way I can force apt-get to download and install a package when it's telling me I have to run "apt-get -f install" to fix other things?
[23:15] <frogonwheels> kernco: I was just about to suggest a name change :)
[23:15] <kernco> lol, sorry I'm on a live CD
[23:15] <frogonwheels> kernco: any reason why youdon't what to fix other things?
[23:16] <kernco> Because running apt-get -f install doesn't fix them
[23:16] <frogonwheels> kernco: have you tried running aptitude ?
[23:17] <frogonwheels> --ignore-missing ?
[23:17] <kernco> That seems to work, but there's a new problem.  I'm connected to the internet on the Live CD, but when I try to chroot to my installation on my hard drive, it doesn't have the connection.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> kernco: I will, if you copy the network conf
[23:19] <FoxBlitzz> Rrgh, trying to get PulseAudio to default to my desktop speakers and not my headset
[23:19] <FoxBlitzz> And I'm failing miserably
[23:19] <frogonwheels> kernco:  or roll-your-own /etc/network/interfaces  (different solution from BUGabundo - since the live willbe using network-manager)
[23:20]  * frogonwheels remembers battling with PulseAudio over default devices.
[23:20] <nemo> BUGabundo: well, if it'd just keep running until all the stuff it was tracing terminated, that'd be nice
[23:20] <BUGabundo> frogonwheels: do you know if $ ifconfig up would work?
[23:20] <FoxBlitzz> I set pavucontrol so that SoundBlaster is the default
[23:20]  * frogonwheels doesn't uuse PulseAudio anymore.
[23:20] <nemo> BUGabundo: too many things in that chart still running.
[23:20] <nemo> hm. granted, some don't terminate
[23:20] <FoxBlitzz> But ZSNES, KDE still play sound through the headset
[23:21] <frogonwheels> BUGabundo:  ifconfig up isn't a newtwork-manager thing - it the /etc/network/interfaces thing.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> nemo: when would X end ? lOL
[23:21] <nemo> BUGabundo: the clipping is annoying too. I can't read most of the stuffspawned late in the process
[23:21]  * BUGabundo checks bootcharts after latest attempt to make it run longer
[23:21] <zyberzero2> kbmaniac_: Do you read me?
[23:21] <nemo> BUGabundo: yeah. I guess the ones that don't terminate are dæmons - never mind
[23:22] <nemo> hm. apt-file is extraordinarily stupid about downloading
[23:22] <nemo> I got to 92% when my wireless glitched
[23:22] <BUGabundo> WOOT WOOT WOOT it worked
[23:22] <BUGabundo> added a sleep 90
[23:22] <nemo> I've left it running hoping it will realise that it had reconnected and retry, like wget.
[23:22] <nemo> but nooo
[23:22] <BUGabundo> and know I have a 120 sec bootchart
[23:22] <nemo> been running for an hour now, with nary another byte pulled, nor a timeout
[23:23] <nemo> BUGabundo: heh. cool. link?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> for code or png?
[23:23] <nemo> png
[23:23] <ubuntu> Is there any way to chroot and have access to /proc?
[23:23] <RAOF> By bind-mounting /proc under your chroot, yes.
[23:23] <BUGabundo> code http://paste.ubuntu.com/147944/
[23:24] <BUGabundo> nemo: FTPs ing now
[23:24] <nemo> BUGabundo: neat. svg output
[23:24] <nemo> even better
[23:24] <nemo> link to that :)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> what ever my /var/log/bootchart has
[23:24] <RAOF> NOTE: bind-mounting should performed with care - don't accidentally delete your /home by bind-mounting it under a chroot directory, then recursively deleting the chroot.
[23:24] <nemo> RAOF: heh. you did that eh? :)
[23:25] <nemo> RAOF: I once accidentally blew away /bin that way :)
[23:25] <nemo> luckily managed to recover it without having to take down the server
[23:25] <nemo> scp'd the /bin from another server, and replaced a few special tools
[23:26] <BUGabundo> nemo: its going to take a while.... 58MiBs and I'm on 2/3G
[23:26] <nemo> BUGabundo: SVG might be smaller :-p
[23:26] <nemo> s/might be/probably would be/
[23:27] <FoxBlitzz> frogonwheels: Do you remember how you did it?
[23:27] <FoxBlitzz> How you changed default sound devices on PulseAudio?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> svg is smaller than png IIRC
[23:28] <FoxBlitzz> Or did you fail?
[23:28] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with getting compiz working in Xubuntu 9.04, i found this fix however i am a noob and i dont understand how to do it
[23:28] <ricochet> here is the fix link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442
[23:29] <BUGabundo> nemo: still uploading but you can see a few now http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart
[23:29] <nemo> gnomefreak: depends on the complexity of the SVG :)
[23:29] <nemo> gnomefreak: but in this case probably loads tinier
[23:29] <nemo> BUGabundo: you should regenerate as SVG :-p
[23:29] <nemo> BUGabundo: we are linux users! we are not limited by IE's lack of SVG support :-p
[23:30] <kernco> Something messed up upgrading packages yesterday, and now my keyboard doesn't work at all when I boot.  I'm trying to fix this using a Live CD, but when I chroot to my installation, some packages try to access /proc when they get configured and it isn't there.
[23:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:30] <BUGabundo> nemo: how do I do that?
[23:30] <ricochet> can anyone help me out? (see above)
[23:30] <nemo> 	    if grep -q "bootchart=svg" /proc/cmdline; then
[23:30] <nemo> 		format=svg
[23:31] <nemo> BUGabundo: from the script you posted, looks like you just do bootchart=svg on the boot params list
[23:31] <nemo> BUGabundo: well, that or just hardcode that line :)
[23:31] <BUGabundo> doing so now
[23:31] <BUGabundo> hope zenphoto has no bugs with it LOL
[23:32] <ricochet> hey guys i need some help with getting compiz working in Xubuntu 9.04, i found this fix however i am a noob and i dont understand how to do it?
[23:32] <ricochet> here is the fix link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3993442#post3993442
[23:32] <nemo> BUGabundo: oh. no clue what zenphoto is, but it'll work on any file host. if you have a google account you could just link to google pages
[23:32] <hmw> WOHOO! Reinstall didnt crash this time
[23:33] <hmw> window create
[23:33] <BUGabundo> nemo: me is sleepy... I don't see how to hard code the change
[23:34] <nemo> BUGabundo: put format=svg  after line 65
[23:34] <frogonwheels> FoxBlitzz: failed iirc
[23:34] <nemo> BUGabundo: or just use a boot param :-p
[23:34] <nemo> orrr
[23:34] <FoxBlitzz> Sucks. :(
[23:34] <nemo>  bootchart -f $format -o "$CHARTS" "$TARBALL"
[23:35] <nemo> BUGabundo: just replace $format with "svg"
[23:35] <BUGabundo> ohh boot parm.. right
[23:35] <nemo>  bootchart -f svg -o "$CHARTS" "$TARBALL"
[23:35] <FoxBlitzz> Seriously, I swear, some update in Jaunty caused sound playback to break
[23:36] <ricochet> hey guys i really need some help with this, can anyone help me out?
[23:37] <nemo> ricochet: not clear what the issue is from the forum thread
[23:37] <nemo> ricochet: looks like compiz is no longer in /usr/local ?
[23:37] <frogonwheels> ricochet:  What bits have you tried? what bits  have you not tried?
[23:37] <nemo> ricochet: and you don't know how to edit /usr/bin/compiz?
[23:37] <nemo> sudo gedit /usr/bin/compiz
[23:38] <ricochet> nemo: when i go into the terminal and type compiz it says Trying again with indirect rendering:
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for non power of two support: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for Composite extension: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking screen 1Comparing resolution (1024x600) to maximum 3D texture size (2048): Passed.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for Software Rasterizer: Not present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for nVidia: not present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for FBConfig: present.
[23:38] <ricochet> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[23:38] <ricochet> /usr/bin/compiz: 455: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[23:38] <ricochet> exec: 455: /usr/bin/xfwm: not found
[23:38] <nemo> dude
[23:38] <nemo> that's not cool
[23:38] <nemo> !paste
[23:38] <frogonwheels> ricochet:  are you unable to edit a file?
[23:38] <nemo> ricochet: also, totally unhelpful since we all knew that was your problem from the thread, we just didn't know what you had tried
[23:39] <funkyHat> I'm getting pidgin crashing when it tries to sign in to MSN, but apport isn't starting up to collect the crash data anymore :/ anyone know why that might be?
[23:39] <nemo> ricochet: heck.


[13:28] <ogasawara> jpds: bug 800600, could you try the test kernel I posted there.  kernel freeze is next week so assuming it fixes the issue, I'd like to get the patch submitted as soon as possible.
[13:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 800600 in linaro-documentation "Process/Cycle is deprecated" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800600
[13:28] <ogasawara> bah, wrong number
[13:29] <ogasawara> bug 800660
[13:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 800660 in linux "Reboot hangs on Dell Optiplex 390" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800660
[14:25]  * ogasawara back in 20
[18:02] <jk-> apw: works on x86_64 :)
[18:03] <apw> jk-, nice, i've just pushed and 'identicle' tree which has the patches split out a bit better i hope
[18:03] <jk-> apw: ok
[18:03] <apw> we should have on this over lunch, or more make a plan
[18:03] <jk-> yeah, sounds good
[18:03] <apw> jk-, it splits out quirks from the static tabel the but tree is a 0 diff from what you have in theory
[18:04] <apw> and good to hear it works on 64 bit
[18:09] <cnd> ogasawara, will the patch I just sent make it in time for the kernel freeze?
[18:10] <ogasawara> cnd: I'll have to take a look.  Assuming it's sane, I plan to do one more upload prior to kernel freeze early next week so it should make it
[18:10] <jk-> apw: same branch?
[18:10] <cnd> ogasawara, ok, thanks
[18:11] <cnd> the kernel.org compromise has really gummed up the works
[18:13] <ogasawara> cnd: indeed.  but at least I know you're good about following through and making sure the sauce patches which we do carry do make their way up
[18:15]  * ogasawara wonders what apw and jk- are working on, I'm missing all the plumbers fun
[18:16] <apw> ogasawara, heh playing with device trees
[18:25] <apw> jk-, ok i am starting to put to gether a prototype framework for 'system quirks'
[18:25] <apw> jk-, be wanting that iterator RSN :)
[18:25] <jk-> apw: OK :)
[18:26] <jk-> is your updated series in the same branch? fetch doesn't get me any changes since yesterday
[18:30] <jk-> ^ apw
[18:30] <apw> jk-, one sec
[18:31] <apw> jk-, yeah kernel.u.c apw/linux ... top patch is now FDT Quirks
[18:32] <apw> jk-, so it looks to be there for mw
[18:33] <jk-> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=apw/linux.git;a=summary
[18:33] <jk-> 17 hours :/
[18:35] <apw> jk-, bah damanable rebase ... one sec ... right try that
[18:36] <jk-> woot, got it, thanks
[18:39] <jk-> apw: what would you like first? a DMI iterator, or PCI?
[18:41] <jk-> we'll also need to populate the DMI info first
[18:41] <jk-> I'll work on that
[19:25]  * ogasawara lunch
[22:36]  * vanhoof swore he saw a bug one time on hfs+ formatted ipods not mounting on natty ... ring a bell for anyone?
[22:38] <elmo> vanhoof: I had to install packages from ~pmcenery's PPA to get an ipod working on natty
[22:38] <elmo> vanhoof: I don't have any more details offhand though
[22:42] <vanhoof> elmo: cool, will dig there first, thanks!
[23:23] <jwi> vanhoof: bug 734883
[23:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 734883 in linux "mounting HFS+ volumes fails on large sector devices" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734883


[00:09] <cjohnston> jamestunnicliffe: I finally reviewed your MP
[01:17] <Unit193> Would this also be the section that handles paste.ubuntu.com? I'd like to bump https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/784485 and do any testing/help that I can with it. Also, is there some odd non-printing char after the goo.gl links?
[01:22] <cjohnston> Unit193: im pretty sure they have said wontfix on that in the past
[01:23] <Unit193> Well that's a pain and makes it unusable (or much harder) with wget.
[01:24] <cjohnston> I believe that it is to prevent abuse
[01:24] <Unit193> Thanks for your help though, should it be marked as such? (And that does explain it a little)
[01:25] <cjohnston> i dont remember.. i reassigned it to a project thats used for their feedback
[01:29] <Unit193> Thanks for bumping it along at the very least!
[16:30] <svwilliams> cjohnston, can I get the bzr branch again to merge my older ones for loco-team portal
[16:31] <svwilliams> to fix the bzr build issue
[16:31] <svwilliams> also if you have pre loaded db you could put up again :-)
[16:38] <cjohnston> svwilliams: just bzr branch lp:loco-team-portal and then bzr merge lp:yourbranch
[18:31] <cjohnston> daker: meet svwilliams
[18:31] <cjohnston> svwilliams: meet daker
[18:31] <svwilliams> lol
[18:31] <cjohnston> daker: svwilliams is at my house with mhall119 and balloons...
[18:32] <cjohnston> he is wanting to get back into hacking on LTP
[18:41] <daker> nice ツ
[18:41] <daker> cjohnston, ^^
[18:49] <daker> Re-welcome svwilliams
[18:50] <svwilliams> Thank you! daker
[21:44] <cjohnston> mhall119: is it possible to set a block to default as not shown?
[21:45] <svwilliams> mhall119: example, I add an element in ubuntu-website that I want to show up in summit
[21:45] <svwilliams> but due to the page layout has to live in ubuntu-website


[08:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2976: SUCCESS in 49 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2976/
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 I have a question, do you all see /usr/bin/unattended-upgrades process just hanging in there? If so it's a bug. Needs a small patch to fix
 Wait, nope, it's a different script
[10:04] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2977: SUCCESS in 46 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2977/
[14:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2977: SUCCESS in 1 min 28 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2977/
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[21:13] <vpinon> Hello all, Ninjas & Co :D
[21:14] <vpinon> If you are interested, I have packaged Kdenlive 19.04 & master which have new deps, especially rttr lib, also packaged
[21:15] <vpinon> my RTTR package is just working, but I haven't taken care of licensing stuff
[21:16] <vpinon> RTTR &Kdenlive tests are failing, I don't know how to deal with loading the shared libs (initializing LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the test)
[21:16] <vpinon> all this is in our PPA (launchpad:~kdenlive)
 vpinon: rttr is already packaged for 19.10, and is backportable: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rttr/0.9.6+dfsg1-1
[21:39] <vpinon> ah! good to know :\
[21:40] <vpinon> packaged just for us or others depend on it? few weeks back I couldn't find a deb package...
 Its recent. just accepted into debian 2 days ago, and then synced to Ubuntu
[21:41] <vpinon> OK, and patrick is Kdenlive maintainer :)


[07:53] <Safiyyah> hi, I need help setting up a USB mouse
[07:56] <Safiyyah> I have tried to edit xorg.conf and 40-libinput.conf


[03:47] <FJKong> jbicha: hey, from the changelog it should fix the depdency problem I will build and test if it works
[06:23] <hikiko> hi
[07:24] <allison> Good morning!
[08:15] <hikiko> good morning allison :)
[08:15] <hikiko> new nickname?
[08:15] <allison> Matrix calls me this :p
[08:15] <allison> @allison:matrix.org or something?
[08:15] <meetingology> allison: Error: "allison:matrix.org" is not a valid command.
[08:16] <hikiko> matrix reveals your real identity... what kind of matrix is that?
[09:03] <Laney> ahoy
[09:03] <hikiko> hello
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <seb128> hey hikiko allison Laney davmor2
[09:11] <seb128> allison, what's so cool about that matrix thing?
[09:11] <hikiko> hi seb128 allison Laney davmor2 .*
[09:18] <Laney> hey seb128 allison Laney davmor2 hikiko meetingology FJKong
[09:19] <seb128> hey Laney, what's up?
[09:19] <hikiko> lol @meetingology
[09:19] <Laney> get it in early
[09:19] <Laney> the bots are coming to rule us
[09:19] <Laney> seb128: good climbing last night \m/
[09:19] <seb128> if they do my work as well then fine they can rule IRC
[09:19] <Laney> dunno why it turned to winter again though
[09:20] <Laney> had to stop to find my gloves on the cycle home
[09:20] <seb128> it's quite pleasant here, a tide cold maybe but sunny in the day and not too windy
[09:20] <Laney> what about you?
[09:20] <FJKong> Laney: hey yo
[09:20] <seb128> I had a fun evening at tennis!
[09:20] <Laney> NICE
[09:20] <seb128> :-)
[09:20] <seb128> hey FJKong
[09:21] <Laney> hey Trevinho hey andyrock
[09:21] <FJKong> seb128: hi
[09:21] <seb128> italians are hidding!
[09:21] <seb128> let's see if that makes come out of their corner
[09:21] <seb128> +them
[09:25] <Laney> anyone know about xkeyboard-config?
[09:26] <Laney> Gunnar is asking to merge a new version
[09:26] <Laney> don't know if that is safe or not
[09:26] <Laney> tjaalton: ^- maybe?
[09:26] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1655782
[09:33] <tjaalton> sure
[09:33] <tjaalton> it's fine
[09:34] <tjaalton> Laney: mind checking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1671799 with your release team hat on
[09:34] <tjaalton> ?
[09:47] <Laney> tjaalton: Maybe, but it seems risky coming after final beta?
[09:47] <tjaalton> not after weeks of testing
[09:47] <tjaalton> and it's in stretch
[09:48] <Laney> you're saying it is risk free?
[09:48] <tjaalton> nothig is
[09:48] <tjaalton> -ing
[09:48] <tjaalton> but relatively so
[09:48] <Laney> hmm
[09:48] <Laney> davmor2: got some time to test that new xorg ^- maybe?
[09:50] <davmor2> Laney: not before the release of final beta, unless there is going to be a respin on day of release meaning the entire series needs a retest?
[09:51] <Laney> no, it's a proposed update
[09:54] <davmor2> Laney: so I can hit it after I finish testing iso's then
[09:54] <Laney> sure
[09:54] <tjaalton> thanks
[10:10] <seb128> flexiondotorg, bug #1632686 is one of the most reported zesty issues on e.u.c, you might want to have a look
[10:25] <davmor2> jibel, Laney, seb128: Huston we have a problem! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1675127 was asked to look at this so on the xps13 in live desktop mode I added a usb wifi dongle and it isn't connecting I'll copy the logs somewhere and see if it is reproducible
[10:26] <seb128> happyaron, ^
[10:38] <davmor2> happyaron: I added my syslog to the same bug with my steps Image I'm testing is zesty final beta locatable on cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:39] <davmor2> happyaron: not sure if it is the same issue with different drivers or different issues that present the same, with no dongle through I can connect with no issues once I install the bcmwl-kernel-sources package from the onboard wifi
[10:57] <happyaron> davmor2: thanks, looks like the gi stuff of nma could be biting you
[10:58] <happyaron> let me check in detail a bit later (have some stuff at hand atm
[10:59] <happyaron> could be the regression jbich_a mentioned a litte earlier
[11:03] <davmor2> happyaron: well if you need anything from this box give me a shout
[11:04] <happyaron> ty
[11:06] <davmor2> happyaron: might take a while as there is no internet connection on it but I will happily follow instructions :)
[11:14] <happyaron> haha
[11:58] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: was the plan to have a checkbox for virtual-machines dropped in the end? Or is it hidden somewhere I haven't found yet?
[11:59] <davmor2> for the low gfx mode
[12:02] <andyrock> hey all
[12:04] <Laney> davmor2: It wasn't/isn't finished in time, so no it's not in yet. I reckon it'll be for next cycle now.
[12:04] <Laney> that should be auto detected anyway, the checkbox was to override it
[12:04] <Laney> AFAIK
[12:04] <davmor2> Laney: awesome thanks I was hoping that was the case :)
[12:05] <davmor2> Laney: could be just didn't see it so thought I would double check it :)
[13:14] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks for the "ok". Another thing: Bug #1675227 might be something you want to look at.
[13:15] <Laney> One piece of work leads to another
[13:15] <Laney> but no, that's not me
[13:16] <seb128> GunnarHj, online accounts have nothing to do with a-l-m
[13:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: I suppose you know who it is then. (Assumed you because you were the last who touched the package.)
[13:16] <seb128> GunnarHj, try if https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2608 fixes it for you?
[13:16] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ah, wrong package.
[13:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks. I marked my bug as a duplicate and will test it later (I'm not on zesty right now).
[13:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw!
[13:21] <Laney> a-l-m is only the security and privacy panel FWIW
[13:21] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yeah, I mixed it up.
[13:21] <Laney> 'k, just for info
[13:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, btw wgrant replied to me yesterday saying that  he started a zesty translations export on launchpad, so we can start building langpacks in the next days
[13:24]  * Laney goes for some tasty items
[13:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: I started to wonder if there would be any langpacks in zesty. ;) But as regards the xenial update, I really think we should wait until after final freeze. The translators are busy with zesty now.
[13:26] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, I still need to debug the xenial langpacks, the role account/cron job/upload works now but we only get "en" and touch langpacks generated for some reasons (and upload failed because it tries to reupload the same content as the first time it kicked in)
[13:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. I can't help, I'm afraid. pitti did all that stuff.
[13:30] <seb128> right, don't worry I should be able to figure it out, just need to sit down and look at it some more
[13:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Btw, Laney approved bug #1655782 as an FFe. Any chance you can revisit it, or should I hope for somebody doing it on Wednesday (rbasak's queue initiative)?
[13:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, I can have another look, sorry I didn't see you updated/forgot about it
[13:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: TIA
[13:37] <bregma> hey guys I have a bug in which whole categories of applications hang on launch if gnome-session is not running (for example, under Unity 8)... this is fairly new behaviour and a ship-stopper, who here knows anything about that technology?
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> hikiko Did the low graphics mode toggle, in the UI, land in 17.04?
[14:27] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: no I asked earlier
 davmor2: It wasn't/isn't finished in time, so no it's not in yet. I reckon it'll be for next cycle now.
[14:27] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 Thanks.
[14:27] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: ^ Laney's response
[14:28] <flexiondotorg> Cheers.
[14:30] <hikiko> flexiondotorg, awaiting review
[14:32] <flexiondotorg> hikiko Thanks.
[14:43] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey, did you see my bug mention earlier?
[15:48] <flexiondotorg> seb128 No I missed it.
[16:23] <tkamppeter> willcooke is still sick?
[16:27] <Laney> tkamppeter: He said yesterday that he'd be off today
[16:34] <tkamppeter> OK, thanks.
[18:02] <Laney> RRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight nighty night!
[18:03] <mterry> seb128: do you know much about the user systemd service?  I can't reach it on dbus, it's dbus activation file doesn't work.  (Though it's running already it seems...  I'm confused) -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/24236229/ is output of trying to call it's dbus api
[18:04] <mterry> Oh!  I'm in xenial
[18:04]  * mterry tests in zesty
[18:06] <mterry> That worked.  I guess xenial is just a bit busted (or at least is with the overlay enabled)
[20:40] <tkamppeter> TheMuso, hi
[20:43] <TheMuso> tkamppeter: I'm awawre of your bug, been busy. Will take a look today.
[20:45] <tkamppeter> OK.
[22:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, how do I get activity-log-manager to get out of proposed? It's depwaiting on a s390x build - if you follow the whole chain of depwaits it gets to upstart, which doesn't have a s390x build.
[22:20] <RAOF> Well, I guess you could port upstart to s390x... Or ping me with that information, and I'll release it 😀
[22:20] <robert_ancell> RAOF, will that need to happen for all uploads or is there a whitelist?
[22:21]  * robert_ancell thought porting upstart was a little bit outside of the bug I'm fixing...
[22:26] <RAOF> I'm not aware of a whitelist.
[22:27] <RAOF> Another option would be to remove s390x from the architecture list?
[22:27] <RAOF> I'm not sure how I feel about that.
[22:30] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I think that was discussed at some point but there's too many packages
[22:30] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You could also comment on the SRU bug that it's never built on s390x.
[22:30] <robert_ancell> RAOF, the previous upload wasn't an SRU, but I can add that to the SRU if required
[22:30] <RAOF> Oh, ok. That's why I can't see it on pending-sru :)
[22:31] <RAOF> This is a zesty upload, then?
[22:31] <robert_ancell> Yes
[22:31] <robert_ancell> I did my update and collided with the version waiting there
[22:31] <robert_ancell> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/activity-log-manager/0.9.7-0ubuntu24
[22:32] <robert_ancell> And I just uploaded 0.9.7-0ubuntu25
[22:32] <robert_ancell> Which will have to go through the freeze queue / wait for the freeze to end
[22:34] <RAOF> Hrmph.
[22:35] <robert_ancell> Problems?
[22:37] <RAOF> I'm just wondering precisely what to do.
[22:37] <RAOF> Also, you probably want an actual archive admin.
[22:37] <RAOF> I just play on on the internet.
[22:37] <RAOF> (For SRUs)
[22:38] <RAOF> Also, GNOME Shell really doesn't like getting hundreds of mail notifications on resume-from-suspend :)
[22:41] <robert_ancell> ok, I'll see who I can find in ~ubuntu-desktop
[22:41] <robert_ancell> in ~ubuntu-devel rather
[22:41] <robert_ancell> Or #ubuntu-devel even
[22:41] <RAOF> #ubuntu-release is probably you're winner?
[22:42] <robert_ancell> Sure, why not there too :)
[22:42] <RAOF> Presumably this is brittney being obstructive...


[04:11] <mint> hi
 Hi mint how can we help you
[04:35] <mint> im new to xubuntu and ubuntu.
[04:35] <mint> and also new to linux Mint and new to GEntoo
 This channel is for Lubuntu support
 Just as an fyi
 But please continue
[04:36] <mint> but some of my probs are linux-specific, and not lubuntu specific
[04:36] <mint> maybe this isnt the place for it then, but...
[04:36] <mint> im using an older version of xubuntu and older version of Gentoo as well.
[04:37] <mint> and I CANNOT get the APT package mangaer on xubuntu to get and install anything
[04:37] <mint> also the Ubuntu Center wont work either
[04:37] <mint> but im using version 11.10 of xubuntu, burned onto a Live CD back in 2018...
 Hmm are you on Freenode?
 The best thing you could do since this involves multiple Linux distros is to try #linux on Freenode
 Right but to be fair this is Lubuntu support not necessarily Xubuntu support
 Are you strictly limited to just a burned cd copy?
 Or do you have access to a flash drive to attempt to run another distro just to rule out any issues with the burned cd?
[04:53] <mint> i can only use DVD right now
[04:53] <mint> live DVD
[04:54] <mint> i was just wondering: could the fact that I ahve no hard drive mounted on my PC prevent package managers and repositories from working?
[05:08] <wxl> ##linux he means
[05:09] <wxl> also there's #xubuntu
[05:09] <wxl> and it looks like #gentoo
[05:10] <wxl> 11.10 is end of life a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago and is unsupported, so you will likely get no help for that
[05:10] <wxl> the problem you're facing is that there are no repositories of software for a version that old
[05:11] <guiverc> mint, you can add packages on a 'live' system, but the repos for EOL releases aren't there anymore (they get moved to old-releases; so won't be found by default)
[05:11] <wxl> and the install path to 19.04 (current version; a whole **SEVEN YEARS NEWER**) is unsupported as well and could cause all sorts of breakage
[05:12] <wxl> know that both mint and xubuntu are ubuntu based so that's going to apply to all the above (yes, lubuntu, too)
[05:12] <wxl> and gentoo.. why??? X'''''D
[05:13] <mint> mint is based upon ubuntu? did not know that...
[05:14] <mint> its a thousand times better, from what ive experienced so far...
[05:14] <wxl> yeah. mint is mostly just ubuntu.
[05:14] <wxl> they have a couple tweaks of their own.
[05:15] <mint> like a streamlined, rock-solid, reskin?
[05:15] <wxl> realizing that "ubuntu" REALLY means a collection of software
[05:15] <mint> yeah.... like every OS is
[05:15] <wxl> not exactly
[05:15] <wxl> windows is always window
[05:15] <wxl> s
[05:15] <wxl> os x, too
[05:15] <guiverc> mint concentrate on visual tweaks; and are happy to have a reduced security model to achieve it... nothing is without costs..  (you can tweak mint up to ubuntu standards but it's not hte default)
[05:16] <mint> damn seriously, guiverc? Cuz I ve heard that ubuntu is already borderline NSA spyware to begi with... and you're telling me Mint is even LESS secure?
[05:17] <mint> like it's got backdoors and stuff?
[05:17] <mint> deliberately made probe-able, etc.?
[05:17] <wxl> kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu mate, ubuntu budgie, ubuntu studio, and ubuntu kylin are all selections of software from the ubuntu repositories
[05:18] <wxl> where have you heard this?
[05:18] <guiverc> I think privacy != security myself; no not backdoors... just decisions made ..  you can use same model of security but lose many of the 'mint' tweaks...   Mint allow use of unsupported software (from EOL ubuntu releases) etc - neither mint nor *ubuntu have backdoors
[05:18] <mint> So while we are on this topic...: what would be the MOST secure in the world? ARchlinux? Slackware? Linux-From-Scrach?
[05:19] <mint> openBSD?
[05:19] <wxl> roll your own
[05:19] <mint> wxl: WIlder's Security Forums
[05:19] <wxl> ........ but also know what you're doing
[05:19] <wxl> mint: link to the post discussing the topic specifically, please
[05:19] <mint> man that was WAYYYY back!
[05:20] <mint> back in the days when i was a winblows user...
[05:20] <mint> not a linux user
[05:20] <mint> yet
[05:21] <wxl> paranoia is great, but so is skepticism.
[05:21] <mint> i ve heard DEbian, REdhat, Fedora, Ubuntu, and every Ubuntu derivative has been deliberately weakened/backdoored/etc. for mass-surveillance purposes.
[05:21] <mint> ive never done anything illegal in my entire life so im not worried/scared...
[05:22] <wxl> and given that the code is entirely open source so this would be obvious, where's the mechanism?
[05:22] <mint> i dunno. im the newbie here...
[05:22] <mint> lol
[05:22] <guiverc> backdoors are easier to hide in closed-source..
[05:22] <mint> of course
[05:22] <mint> but open source that zillions of lines long...
[05:23] <mint> and cannont be "vetted" 100%
[05:23] <wxl> sure it can
[05:23] <mint> but dont worry im not paranoid
[05:23] <wxl> uhh huh
[05:24] <wxl> and on that note, o/
[05:24] <guiverc> catherdral and the bazaar issue - which isn't Lubuntu support.
[05:24] <mint> and have nothing to hide anyway...
[05:24] <mint> ok i didnt mean to change the subject, guiverc. i was just addressing you guys' statemens... im outtie... *lurks*
[05:25] <mint> *away from keyboard bout to go to bed*
[20:59] <nmzm> Hello everyone :) I have a strange question. Just noticed that support for lubuntu 16.04 ended, but there's something like community support until 2021. What exactly is a community support?
[21:00] <wxl> normal ubuntu support
[21:00] <wxl> i.e. not specific to ubuntu
[21:00] <wxl> lubuntu i mean
[21:00] <wxl> which is to say that may not be as familiar with its idiosyncracies and might not be as helpful
[21:00] <wxl> tl;dr upgrade :)
[21:01] <nmzm> wxl: thanks! Seems like it's time to upgrade my system to 18.04
[21:01] <wxl> yup
[21:01] <wxl> or just start in at 19.04
[21:01] <wxl> to be frank, that would be my personal recommendation
[21:02] <wxl> 18.04 is the last lxde version and the upgrade path to lxqt is not supported
[21:02] <wxl> i.e. going from 18.04 to 20.04 will be messy
[21:03] <nmzm> I'm not sure about lxqt desktop, because my noteboot is way too old, but it runs great with lxde. I'll check requirements for lxqt
[21:03] <nmzm> But thanks again, wxl :)
[21:03] <wxl> the requirements are basically the same
[21:04] <nmzm> I hope lxqt isn't much heavy :D
[21:04] <nmzm> wow, not bad
[21:04] <wxl> it isn't
[21:04] <wxl> l still stands for lightweight
[21:04] <wxl> it was a project started by (among others) pcman, the guy being pcmanfm
 nmzm: what are your computer's specs?
[21:06] <nmzm> There's like amd athlon 2 CPU, 4 GB of RAM, 64 VRam
[21:06] <nmzm> Not much, but he's old :D
[21:06] <wxl> jeez 4gb of ram, you've got a super computer
[21:07] <nmzm> desktop PC is a way better, but I'm working mostly on my notebook :D
[21:07]  * wxl has run lubuntu on 512m and 256m if i don't expect the web to work very well XD
[21:07] <nmzm> Well, the fun fact is -> HDD with 50GB only :D
[21:07] <wxl> you've got more than enough to do the trick
[21:08] <wxl> you'll really like lxqt
 4 gigs of ram is fine
[21:08] <wxl> maybe wait until next month when 19.10 comes out
 Lubuntus good on that alone in a vm
[21:08] <wxl> we've definitely been working hard on improvements
[21:09] <nmzm> Hmm, then I'll stick with 16.04 until 19.10 comes out, I think it's a better idea
 Ok feel free to try it in a vm in case though


[03:46] <xubuntu65d> hello
[03:48] <xubuntu65d> can anyone advise me how to corect  a problem  called lumetad not active yet
[08:37] <[diablo]> Morning #xubuntu ... Today when I do an apt-get update , it just sits there after the "Fetched 187 kB in 0s (477 kB/s)"
[08:38] <[diablo]> doesn't drop back to the command line.... anyone else experiencing this please?
[08:40] <akxwi-dave> let me fine up a vm and give it a try
[08:44] <akxwi-dave> not get that exact error here, i'm getting a different one.. what happened if you do an apt-get upgrade? does it still pick up the updates
[08:46] <Unit193> [diablo]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712
[09:00] <[diablo]> sorry went afk
[09:00] <[diablo]> hi akxwi-dave and Unit193 I'll check now
[09:01] <[diablo]> nothing... no updates
[09:02] <[diablo]> I'll hang fire for a bit... was just curious
[12:38] <ewet> how do you change the xfce widget font without the gui (from the console)? I couldn't find anything in gsettings
[13:06] <ewet> I don't have time to repro this right now, but I'm pretty sure I just managed to crash my xfce system reliably by setting /Gtk/FontName = Terminus 10 (which is a bitmap font) every single gtk application crashed, had to use the console to rescue from this
[13:20] <ewet> on Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
[14:50] <Afshaal> bah, chat just goes by too fast in #ubuntu
[14:50] <Afshaal> Anyone here familiar with the bug in libnl that breaks Network Manager?
[14:51] <Afshaal> it's been a problem since January but somehow the bug got pushed into the stable repositories a few weeks ago
[14:51] <Afshaal> I'm just wondering if this has been fixed yet and if it's safe for me to update
[14:51] <Afshaal> 14.04 here btw
[14:54] <knob> Hey guys, n00b question: If I encrypt a hdd, and mount it via fstab with a key... when I send the shutdown to the computer, does she umount --> luksClose   the hdd?
[15:34] <cm2> knob: yes. it's handled by systemd. see systemd-cryptsetup.
[15:43] <GeekDude> I don't suppose plugging in an external monitor is /supposed/ to crash Xorg?
[16:09] <knob> cm2, thank you!
[17:48] <xubuntu77i> hi :)
[17:48] <gabkdlly> hey
[17:48] <xubuntu77i> how to use intel graphic instead amd? i have hybrid
[17:49] <xubuntu77i> after fresh instal which graphic card is working by deafult? AMD or INTEL?:)
[17:50] <gabkdlly> My understanding of hybrid systems is that one part is low powered but is always on, while the other one is only switched on when there is graphically demanding processing to do.
[17:50] <xubuntu77i> in this way working in winows
[17:50] <xubuntu77i> windows*
[17:50] <xubuntu77i> in linux i think dont :)
[23:00] <xubuntu79w> Can someone please inform me on how to enable to onscreen keyboard
[23:00] <xubuntu79w> So it automatically opens when I log in
[23:01] <xubuntu79w> My laptop keyboard needs to be replaced, so I won't be able to use it for a couple days
[23:06] <flocculant> xubuntu79w: settings - onboard afaik gives you the accessibilty options
[23:07] <Guest7239> hello I have a problem xubuntu but my processor usage reaches 100% and not lower but lubuntu is between 30% and 90%, which is much difference
[23:08] <xubuntu79w> Flocculant: is that under accessibility?
[23:09] <xubuntu79w> I can't find the option under "onboard preferences"
[23:10] <Guest7239> a controller will be some settings
[23:15] <Guest7239> They must return to improve the efficiency of xubuntu
[23:18] <xubuntu79w> I can't use the terminal to install it as I have to keyboard working
[23:27] <squinty> xubuntu79w,  try  Settings and see if there is an entry for Onboard Settings"   seems it was part of the default install on my wife's xubuntu
[23:31] <squinty> can be toggled on in Sessions and Startup  (if he comes back)
[23:33] <xubuntu70w> Hi, I'm trying to remove the appearance on desktop of a drive mount under /media.  This rehabed computer is getting shipped out soon so turned to IRC
[23:38] <xubuntu70w> I don't see the items in /etc/fstab.  I would like to keep a windows drive visible.  I would like to hide a boot partition that is being displayed on the desktop
[23:46] <xubuntu70w> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu 2.2 solved it for me