[20:30] <jazzy_> thanks cyberalex4life
[20:31] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, try with fedora, or manjaro (I think there are some new realeses: manjaro is rolling release -> also opensuse Tumbleweed)
[20:31] <jazzy_> hmmm, I think it did work with a live boot, but i'll try again with another distro
[20:31] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, at least you might get a clue of what is fixed and what not
[20:31] <ObrienDave> jazzy_, is the touchpad enabled in windows?
[20:31] <jazzy_> yeah works find in windows ObrienDave
[20:31] <ObrienDave> k
[20:32] <jazzy_> fine
[20:32] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, what ubuntu version worked in live mode?
[20:33] <jazzy_> i'll have to check again to make sure, i was pretty sure it worked when we did the install cyberalex4life ...that would have been 14.04
[20:34] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, first check you have  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
[20:34] <jazzy_> how do i know this is a synaptic touchpad cyberalex4life ?
[20:35] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, synaptics is the driver for linux, it's just a name I guess
[20:35] <ObrienDave> it won't hurt to try that. you can uninstall it if need be
[20:35] <jazzy_> how should i check if it is install?
[20:35] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, sudo apt-get install --reinstall  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[20:36] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, do that, then a reboot
[20:36] <jazzy_> ok rebooting now
[20:36] <jazzy_> it installed
[20:36] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, stop..
[20:36] <jazzy_> oh?
[20:36] <jazzy_> i installed it as you showed cyberalex4life
[20:37] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, no, you should try with the live 14.04 to be sure your touchpad works
[20:37] <jazzy_> ok
[20:37] <jazzy_> it does work in windows
[20:37] <jazzy_> but i'll try a live boot as well
[20:37] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, if it works on live, there may be some workarounds that will fix it
[20:39] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, if not, you may have to wait for kernel 20, maybe, but Asus are usually build for windows, that's what I read, It took a year or so to get my brightness keys working, since I bought it
[20:40] <cyberalex4life> jazzy_, ok reboot and if it does not work, try the live, then if the live works, come back here
[20:58] <Guest80024> well dang! That didn't work, nor could I get it to live boot into anything
[20:58] <Guest80024> ...this is jazzy
[20:59] <Guest80024> with or without secure boot turned on..... that was with xubuntu and eOS... I'll have to download fedora and try to boot off it
[20:59] <TheC4mel> Is there a DAW that has Plug-ins that completely work, without having to set up jackd or alsa, (in conjunction with Pulse Audio)?
[20:59] <cyberalex4life> Guest80024, did you install kernel 3.19 on ubuntu 14.04?
[20:59] <TheC4mel> I'm sick and tired of getting no results with troubleshooting my audio issues with Ardour music software
[21:00] <Guest80024> now cyberalex4life ...just did an upgraded to 14.10, then 15.04
[21:00] <Guest80024> TheC4mel, have you tried KXStudio chatroom #kxstudio and #opensourcemusicians they might have some good info on that
[21:01] <cyberalex4life> Guest80024, well if 15.04 works, and you are ok with another distro, try something with kernel >= 3.19
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> TheC4mel  there's also #ubuntustudio, for multimedia questions
[21:01] <cyberalex4life> *doesn't work
[21:04] <blib> What's a good laptop for ubuntu these days? - light - I was looking at dell xps 13 - any other recommendations from people who bought one recently?
[21:04] <Guest80024> blib, have you looked at the system76 laptops?
[21:05] <ahoneybun> blib, light and cheap?
[21:05] <blib> Guest80024: looking now
[21:05] <MonkeyDust> !hardware | blib read this too
[21:05] <blib> they look bulky
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> blib  with the mini.iso, you can select the software you want to install
[21:07] <Guest80024> blib, I use an older ASUS Ultrabook 500 series I think, that I like...working on my girlfriends newer ASUS right now that seems to have a different style touchpad that isn't working at the moment
[21:07] <lucas23423> PLEASE!! i cannot turn my laptop off!!! halt init 0 shutdown poweroff they all reboot the laptop and dont shut it down!!! im crazy and dont know whats wrong!!
[21:08] <blib> Guest80024: I'm currently using a mac book pro - except for the keyboard - love it. Wish apple would give an option for a linux keyboard ;)
[21:08] <lucas23423> i also installed laptop-mode-tools and nothing happened!
[21:09] <lucas23423> i dont want to run other os than ubuntu!
[21:10] <lucas23423> where can i find help?
[21:13] <Guest80024> nice
[21:16] <MonkeyDust> lucas23423  sudo init 0 doesnt do it?
[21:16] <lucas23423> MonkeyDust ive tried it, but it reboots the laptop... still the same ive trie everything you can find in the net
[21:20] <lucas23423> ill try 1 more time, if INIT_HALT does not work ill go back to windows
[21:20] <bunty> how to install gstreamer on ubuntu touch
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> lucas23423  my laptop behaves differently in the GUI and in a TTY screen, maybe yours too... try ctrl-alt F1 and then sudo init 0... any difference?
[21:21] <lucas23423> MonkeyDust, nope i tried that already
[21:22] <k1l_> bunty: for ubuntu touch better ask in the channel #ubuntu-touch
[21:22] <lucas23423> MonkeyDust, ive changed in /etc/default/halt the line HATL=poweroff to INIT_HALT=poweroff I also have acpi=force in kernel options in grub
[21:25] <thugnasty00> Has anyone any experience getting Screenhero to work in ubuntu/wine?
[21:28] <polishpoliceforc> anyone know how to get omegle's to work on ubuntu studio? i've found it's very buggy...
[21:33] <Jeph_ch> hello guys
[21:35] <Jeph_ch> I'm deperately trying to install ubuntu vivid on a proliant server
[21:36] <Jeph_ch> when creating boot partition the system stops at 33%  and nothing hapen
[21:38] <Jeph_ch> can somebody please help me to find out what's goirng wrong?
[21:43] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: At that point, can you get to a tty by pressing ctrl+alt+F1?
[21:43] <OS-16749> hey can someone tell me if im cloaked?
[21:43] <k1l_> OS-16749: you can /whois yourself
[21:45] <Jeph_ch> thanks Jordan
[21:45] <Jeph_ch> let's me staronce the installatin and test that
[21:45] <OS-16749> doesnt seem to be working
[21:46] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: If you haven't started yet, first verify the integrity of the install media.
[21:46] <Jordan_U> OS-16749: Please join #freenode for help with using the network.
[21:50] <Jeph_ch> I  should precise that my installation is made on a logical drive of 1.8tb created via the bios raid utility of my server
[21:50] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: That's definitely good to know. That sounds like FakeRAID, which you should avoid.
[21:52] <Jeph_ch> My server is a dl380 g7 with a raid card with 512MB integrated to server
[21:52] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: FakeRAID still uses your CPU and RAM for performing RAID, but is less efficient than simply using linux's mdraid and uses a proprietary on-disk format. Disable FakeRAID completely and simply use mdraid, unless you're planning to dual boot with Windows.
[21:52] <Jeph_ch> I've built a raid 5.0
[21:52] <Jeph_ch> with 8 drive of 300GB each
[21:53] <Jeph_ch> I'm at the same point 33% partition formatting and it's blocked
[21:54] <Jeph_ch> the itegrity of the media fails
[21:54] <Jeph_ch> tough I've dowloaded the the iso several times
[21:54] <Jeph_ch> exactly 4 times
[21:55] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: What are using to boot the installer from?
[21:55] <Jeph_ch> CRtl alt F2 brig me to a terminal page with promt
[21:55] <Jeph_ch> I'm using a usb key
[21:56] <EriC^> Jeph_ch: are you installing ubuntu server?
[21:56] <psusi> Jeph_ch, in the ubuntu installer, does it see only one drive, or all 8?
[21:56] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: Then your USB key is probably silently corrupting data.
[21:56] <Jeph_ch> only one drive of 1.8tb
[21:56] <psusi> Jeph_ch, in other words, are you installing to /dev/sda, or /dev/mapper/something or /dev/mdxx?
[21:56] <Jeph_ch> Humm
[21:56] <EriC^> Jeph_ch: if you're using a gui installer there's the arrow you can click on and it'll show you more info
[21:57] <Jeph_ch> so I should better try with another usb key
[21:57] <leafybasil> Can anyone tell me how to turn off tap-clicking when using DWM, I went looking for Xorg.conf and it doesn't seem to be there, not sure how to do it :(
[21:57] <EriC^> or try typing dmesg in a tty maybe
[21:57] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: Yes, and run the media self-test before trying to install.
[21:57] <psusi> if you see /dev/mapper/something or /dev/mdsomething instead of just /dev/sda, then it's fakeraid.. if you only see a 1.8 tb /dev/sda, then it's hardwrae raid
[21:57] <Jeph_ch> great
[21:57] <psusi> also are these brand new disks, or have they been used before?
[21:58] <Jeph_ch> which arrow should I click for more info
[21:58] <Jeph_ch> I'm not usin mouse but I can connect one
[21:58] <psusi> server installer doesn't use a mouse
[21:58] <Jeph_ch> but let's me first change the usb guys
[21:58] <Jeph_ch> thanl you for the tips
[21:59] <shiznix> does anyone know what sets the $UPSTART_SESSION env variable ?
[22:00] <ikonia> sets it where ?
[22:03] <brainwash> shiznix: you mean something other than upstart itself?
[22:03] <shiznix> ikonia: in a desktop session
[22:03] <ikonia> what do you mean in a desktop session ?
[22:03] <ikonia> what exactly are you trying to do
[22:04] <psusi> shiznix, I would imagine it is set by upstart
[22:04] <leafybasil> I was told I could set my keyboard backlight by writing a value between 0 and 255 to /sys/class/leds/smc::keybd_backlight/brightness but even as root I'm told the file is readonly... Why can't I write a value?
[22:05] <EriC^> leafybasil: what's the command you're typing?
[22:05] <leafybasil> EriC^, I'm trying 'sudo vim' that file then save
[22:05] <psusi> leafybasil, you're supposed to use echo > to write to it, vim won't do it
[22:05] <leafybasil> psusi, will give that a go :(
[22:06] <leafybasil> I tried 'cat' too
[22:06] <psusi> sudo -s, then echo 255 > /sys/blah
[22:06] <Jordan_U> leafybasil: echo 200 | sudo tee /sys/class/leds/smc::keybd_backlight/brightness
[22:06] <psusi> or that ;)
[22:06] <psusi> or sudo bash -c 'echo 200 > /sys/blah'
[22:08] <leafybasil> psusi / Jordan_U  thanks very much for that, out of curiosity why does 'sudo echo 200 > /blah' not work?  I wanted to add some keybindings for inc/dec
[22:08] <bekks> psusi: That wont work. Use echo 200 | tee /sys/blah instead.
[22:08] <bekks> *sudo tee
[22:08] <psusi> leafybasil, because it is your shell that interprets the > and tries to open the file, which it can't do
[22:09] <lasconic> Hi, I have a naive questions. Does Ubuntu get firefox updates from the package manager?
[22:09] <bekks> lasconic: yes.
[22:09] <k1l_> lasoyes
[22:09] <lasconic> ok, what about open office?
[22:09] <EriC^> leafybasil: sudo doesn't go across the redirection >
[22:09] <bekks> lasconic: Same thing.
[22:10] <k1l_> lasconic: yes. it just takes a bit to be tested not to break everything, so it takes a day or 3
[22:10] <lasconic> and why these software and not others ?
[22:10] <k1l_> lasconic: libreoffice is in the repos. but that will not get every update, just heavy bug fixes and security fixes
[22:10] <leafybasil> EriC^, psusi thanks, I didn't realise.  Do you have any recommended reading if I want to add some keybindings for inc/dec?
[22:10] <bekks> lasconic: All software in trhe repos will get updated through the repos.
[22:10] <lasconic> well that's for sure not true
[22:11] <lasconic> most of the software are just not updated
[22:11] <k1l_> lasconic: most software only gets heavy bug and security patches, which will not bring it to the latest version number
[22:11] <lasconic> ok, how is this decided ?
[22:12] <bekks> lasconic: "will get updated" doesnt mean "will stay on the bleeding edge versions"
[22:12] <psusi> leafybasil, nope
[22:12] <lasconic> if I make an update to my software and I consider it's major
[22:12] <EriC^> leafybasil: not really, you could add a script to use sudo without a password and bind that script to a shortcut, and make sure the script is owned by root and can't be modified
[22:12] <k1l_> lasconic: the maintainers decide
[22:12] <lasconic> ok
[22:12] <Razzdoll> I switched to ubuntu to get away from restarts everyday. The software updater is making me restart everyday too. I just don't. Any ideas lol..
[22:12] <lasconic> i will talk with the maintainer, thanks
[22:12] <EriC^> leafybasil: or write your own setuid c program that gets called and changes it
[22:13] <psusi> libreoffice and firefox are treated specially and get feature updates since their upstreams are very good about keeping their new releases well tested and bug free
[22:13] <darlek> wifi light as been going crazy today, any ideas what to check?
[22:13] <psusi> most packages aren't updated except for critical bug fixes and security fixes since often times new versions add new bugs
[22:13] <leafybasil> EriC^, psusi thanks, sounds like more effort than it's worth to avoid typing a password, don't use it much anyway
[22:14] <k1l_> lasconic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:14] <psusi> Razzdoll, the only time the updater tells you to restart is when you get a new kernel... which only happens when there is a security fix... doesn't happen that often
[22:14] <EriC^> leafybasil: if you want google about brightness issues for the screen, cause that happens, might find something
[22:14] <EriC^> it's basically the same thing just a different file
[22:14] <Razzdoll> psusi: oh. ty.
[22:14] <leafybasil> EriC^, screen brightmess is my next woe
[22:15] <leafybasil> EriC^, but I only have two modes work, and rest
[22:15] <leafybasil> EriC^, do you happen to know which file that is?
[22:16] <EriC^> leafybasil: /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness most likely
[22:16] <polishpoliceforc> anyone know how to modify the default settings of a webcam? so it has x settings over default Y settings on plugin from that point forward
[22:16] <ahoneybun> blib, look at some of the Dell ones
[22:17] <Bashing-om> leafybasil: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Monitor_or_Screens#Sometimes_it_takes_real_tweaking_to_solve_the_problem ; has a section to control screen brightness . Maybe it will apply in your situation .
[22:17] <EriC^> leafybasil: there's a program called xbacklight, might be worth a check
[22:17] <darlek> Hi all.  Anyone know why the wifi light would keep blinking?  I can understand for Interent obviously, but now it's just constant.    Trying nethogs but it shows only this connection.  Should I try anything for intrusion testing or is nethogs enough?
[22:17] <leafybasil> EriC^, yeah hit that already but it doesn't seem to do anything
[22:18] <k1l_> darlek: sometimes its just a bad driver.
[22:19] <EriC^> leafybasil: try xbacklight -set 40
[22:19] <postmodern> is ubuntu 15.04 stable enough to upgrade to?
[22:20] <k1l_> postmodern: yes
[22:20] <leafybasil> EriC^, I tried both the dec/inc and set commands, but none worked, I did however find /sys/class/backlight/gmux_backlight/brightmess which does :D
[22:20] <leafybasil> EriC^, thank you so much fr these last two answers, so close to having my system ready
[22:20] <k1l_> postmodern: if you care a lot about stablenes you might want to stay at LTS anyway
[22:20] <shiznix> brainwash ikonia psusi: trying to use upstart in a desktop other than unity, fluxbox in this case
[22:21] <k1l_> shiznix: which ubuntu version?
[22:21] <shiznix> i can run the upstart process as 'upstart --user' and this gets the upstart processes running nicely, just none of the $UPSTART_* env variables are set
[22:21] <shiznix> k1l_: 15.04
[22:22] <darlek> How to check your system for someone else using your wifi?  To verify it?
[22:22] <k1l_> shiznix: since 15.04 systemd is the standard init
[22:22] <shiznix> not for desktop services, systemd is used for system/.boot services
[22:22] <brainwash> he isn't talking about upstart as system init
[22:22] <brainwash> shiznix: look at /etc/upstart-xsessions
[22:26] <psusi> postmodern, if you are on 14.10 you don't have a whole lot of choice... it is no longer supported
[22:27] <doomlord> can ubuntu run a single-system-image cluster
[22:27] <brainwash> psusi: it's already july?
[22:28] <ObrienDave> ok, end of next month ;P
[22:29] <leafybasil> EriC^, totally random but do you know if its possible to bind one key to multiple keys?  Like CTRL and ALT both to CMD on my macbook
[22:29] <psusi> ohh, that's right... they did decide on 9 months rather than 7
[22:30] <EriC^> leafybasil: yeah, with xbindkeys, or try first settings > keyboard > shortcuts
[22:30] <leafybasil> EriC^, under dwm...?
[22:30] <leafybasil> EriC^, I should have prefixed the question properly
[22:31] <EriC^> leafybasil: don't know about dwm
[22:31] <EriC^> xbindkeys is universal though
[22:31] <leafybasil> EriC^, np, I assume it will respect xbindkeys
[22:31] <leafybasil> Yeah, makes sense
[22:31] <EriC^> i wrote that tiny program if you want http://paste.ubuntu.com/11611909/
[22:31] <brainwash> xmodmap
[22:32] <EriC^> ./program /path/to/brightness <value>
[22:32] <leafybasil> bricknha1mer,
[22:32] <EriC^> you can set it as a shortcut and give it the backlight or keyboard brightness file
[22:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[22:32] <leafybasil> brainwash, EriC^ perhaps I should explain better... I use CMD now for all my normal navigation in DWM, but I would also like to use CMD for other shortcuts like find, close window etc
[22:33] <EriC^> but you need to do sudo chown root: <program> && sudo chmod +s <program>
[22:34] <shiznix> brainwash: thanks, by adding 'fluxbox' entry to that file at least gets upstart trying to start on login
[22:34] <shiznix> unfortunately the login hangs at lightdm login screen :/
[22:36] <EriC^> leafybasil: if you use it do sudo chmod 4700 <program>
[22:36] <shiznix> guess upstart will only work on those few desktops listed in /etc/upstart-xsessions
[22:36] <Jeph_ch> hello guys
[22:36] <Jeph_ch> I'm back with my problem of installation
[22:36] <shiznix> interestingly xfce is listed so i wonder how that could work and yet not fluxbox
[22:37] <brainwash> shiznix: maybe. I would check the logs
[22:37] <marlon99rocks> on lixus on play how do i use key activator
[22:37] <Jeph_ch> It seem it's the usb creator on ubuntu that corrupt the usb or what
[22:37] <marlon99rocks> for microsoftoffice
[22:37] <Jeph_ch> I've triek with 3 different usb ans I have the save result
[22:38] <lotuspsychje> !warez | marlon99rocks
[22:38] <Jeph_ch> the sytem stops a 33% formating
[22:38] <lotuspsychje> Jeph_ch: error?
[22:38] <Jeph_ch> this is the error
[22:38] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: Did the self integrity test succeed this time?
[22:38] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, what size USB?
[22:38] <hacker_> hi
[22:39] <Jeph_ch> Creating ext2 file system for /boot0,0,0) (sdb)... in partition #1 of scsi (
[22:39] <lotuspsychje> Jeph_ch: wich ubuntu are you on?
[22:39] <ObrienDave> oh lordy, use ext4
[22:39] <Jeph_ch> 16 go the second usb
[22:39] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: Did the self integrity test succeed this time?
[22:39] <Jeph_ch> 4g0 the first one
[22:39] <ObrienDave> 4GB is not big enough for full install
[22:39] <Jeph_ch> not at alle the system integrity fails
[22:40] <Jeph_ch> self integrity pardon
[22:40] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: Then don't even bother trying to install.
[22:40] <Jeph_ch> can I try net install for ubuntu server?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: Telling us about errors during install when you know the media is bad will just waste the time of those that didn't see that history.
[22:41] <cdnchris> Ok here's an interesting one - new laptop, UEFI - i've got secure boot turned off, legacy boot enabled. I can boot to an Ubuntu ISO and I've used GParted to wipe the partition table. When I run the installer, I can't find a partition to install to!
[22:41] <ObrienDave> all this time over a bad ISO????
[22:41] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: From here on out, don't even start the installer until you have run the integrity test and it has succeeded.
[22:41] <hacker_> hey guys
[22:41] <trism> shiznix: it just needs an upstart session file, I wrote one for awesome a while ago http://paste.ubuntu.com/11612206/ ~/.config/upstart/awesome.conf , it should work in 14.04 at least
[22:41] <Jeph_ch> sorry guys
[22:41] <hacker_> do any of you use metasploit
[22:41] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: disabled fastboot also mate?
[22:41] <lotuspsychje> !warez | hacker_
[22:41] <Jeph_ch> is it a problem with my ubuntu laptop?
[22:41] <cdnchris> I boot back into the ISO, run GParted and see an unallocated drive totally blank, but Windows boots when
[22:42] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: yep
[22:42] <Jordan_U> Jeph_ch: What is the md5sum of the iso you're using?
[22:42] <the_human_fly> not smart to bring that stuff up in here, hacker_
[22:42] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, no, it's just a bad DL. keep trying until you get a GOOD iso file
[22:42] <EriC^> leafybasil: my bad, sudo chmod 4755 <program>
[22:42] <Jeph_ch> oups md5 I dont know
[22:42] <cdnchris> Windows boots when I don't mess with the boot order or manually select
[22:42] <hacker_> i'm a pen tester
[22:42] <Jeph_ch> How shoud I proceed please
[22:42] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: fastboot and secureboot?
[22:42] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: both disabled
[22:42] <the_human_fly> tried the kali linux irc?
[22:42] <tgm4883> hacker_: questionable
[22:43] <Jeph_ch> to be certain my download is correct
[22:43] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: thats weird indeed, wich ubuntu version are you trying?
[22:43] <hacker_> and help people with security issues
[22:43] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: 15.04
[22:43] <tgm4883> Jeph_ch: how do you know your download is correct if you don't know the md5sum?
[22:43] <k1l_> hacker_: if you are a pentester then you have enought motivation to read the documentation to know what you are doing. for all the other kiddies trying to hack the neighbours wifi: this is the wrong place
[22:43] <Jeph_ch> I'm downloading directly from ubuntu.com
[22:43] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: did you try with any other version of ubuntu?
[22:43] <Jeph_ch> not at all guys sorry
[22:43] <Jordan_U> !md5 | Jeph_ch
[22:44] <tgm4883> Jeph_ch: just because you downloaded it from ubuntu.com doesn't mean that it wasn't corrupted during download
[22:44] <k1l_> Jeph_ch: there can go a lot wrong on a download. so better check the md5sum of the iso if its ok.
[22:44] <Jeph_ch> hummm
[22:44] <the_human_fly> that guy... sheesh... "hey, guys...know how to hack??".... really?
[22:44] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: not yet, but I did try from a debian installer.. and same thing.
[22:44] <Jeph_ch> let's me cheick that site a confirm the integrity of my download
[22:44] <tgm4883> Jeph_ch: good idea
[22:44] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, if you can use torrents, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[22:44] <k1l_> the_human_fly: dont mind them. they left anyway
[22:45] <tgm4883> ObrienDave: and if not, zsync to the rescue!
[22:45] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: can you boot into liveusb?
[22:45] <ObrienDave> zsync +1
[22:45] <Jeph_ch> of course I have a torrent client
[22:45] <tgm4883> Jeph_ch: did you download it using the torrent?
[22:45] <Jeph_ch> I'm on ubuntu vivid laptop
[22:45] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: yep. and when I run gparted from the liveusb it shows a blank partition map - all unallocated
[22:45] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, use the torrent. no MD5 needed
[22:46] <Jeph_ch> No I dowloaded from firefox browser and also from google
[22:46] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: what happens when you install ubuntu
[22:46] <tgm4883> Jeph_ch: check the MD5
[22:46] <the_human_fly> just be careful about what you're downloading...
[22:46] <the_human_fly> double check the url
[22:46] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: it gets to the partitioning section and only sees the usb drive
[22:47] <Jeph_ch> I'm going to download by torrent
[22:47] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: that sounds really like fastboot enabled...are you sure its off>?
[22:47] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, if you can use torrents, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ *I share these files*
[22:47] <shiznix> trism: great! trying it now :)
[22:47] <tgm4883> Jeph_ch: just check the md5
[22:47] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: changed hardware in your system recently? ssd?
[22:47] <tgm4883> geez, it's like a 60 second test
[22:47] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: I'll check again. No recent changes
[22:47] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: wich brand is your system?
[22:48] <Jordan_U> cdnchris: You said that you used GParted to wipe the partition table, so a completely unallocated drive seems to be what you should expect.
[22:48] <ObrienDave> tgm4883, we already know it's bad. he said so
[22:48] <tgm4883> ObrienDave: IIRC he said the burned cd was bad, not the ISO
[22:48] <cdnchris> Jordon_U: but the installer doesn't see it as a target to install to
[22:48] <tgm4883> ObrienDave: the test from the live media that is
[22:49] <Jordan_U> cdnchris: You can press tab to automatically complete nicknames.
[22:49] <cdnchris> Jordan_U: oops. still learning IRC
[22:49] <OerHeks> fastboot/secureboot machine?
[22:49] <lotuspsychje> !tab | dcn
[22:49] <Jordan_U> cdnchris: Please pastebin the output of "sudo wipefs /dev/sdX" where "sdX" is the device node for the drive you're trying to install to.
[22:50] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yes, and he cant see his hd in setup partitions creen
[22:51] <cdnchris> Jordan_U: will give it a go.. here's an interesting one - when I boot into the debian installer, it reads devices and pops a screen that says hey, looks like you have other OS installed in BIOS compatibility mode, want to force UEFI
[22:52] <cdnchris> Jordan_U lotuspsychje OerHeks : If Windows is installed in BIOS compatibility mode, does that change things?
[22:52] <the_human_fly> cdnchris, why not just install debian than overwrite it afterwords with whatever distro you want?
[22:52] <cdnchris> the_human_fly: because debian has the same problem - it won't see /dev/sda
[22:52] <shiznix> trism: literally awesome, that transposed nicely to fluxbox and now $UPSTART_SESSION gets set :)
[22:52] <the_human_fly> oh
[22:53] <Jordan_U> cdnchris: It's cumbersome to dual boot when one OS requires booting via BIOS and the other requires booting via UEFI.
[22:53] <trism> shiznix: excellent
[22:53] <shiznix> and still had to also add that 'fluxbox' entry to /etc/upstart-xsessions
[22:54] <cdnchris> Jordan_U: that's why i'm just going to wipe and go Ubuntu all the way
[22:54] <the_human_fly> it's a shame that installing OS's is getting more difficult all the time. It should be getting easier.
[22:55] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: confirmed fast startup disabled
[22:56] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: what system brand do you have?
[22:56] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: Dell XPS 15 (early 2015)
[22:56] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: sure your hd is still alive?
[22:57] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: just booted to Windows fine
[22:57] <Jordan_U> cdnchris: I'm still waiting for the output from wipefs, which I expect will tell you that the drive contains RAID metadata, which will prevent good installers from continuing so that they don't desync an array by writing to the drives directly.
[22:57] <Jordan_U> lotuspsychje: ^^
[22:57] <the_human_fly> are you unable to flash the bios, chris?
[22:57] <Jordan_U> cdnchris: Unfortunately, most of said "good" installers aren't actually good enough to clearly explain to the user that that's what they're doing.
[22:58] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje: legacy boot enabled, secure boot disabled. doesn't matter if I boot to legacy with the installer or UEFI same result
[22:58] <cdnchris> Jordan_U: booting back into liveusb to run the output
[22:58] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | cdnchris doublecheck all these steps again
[22:58] <Jordan_U> lotuspsychje: As I said above, this is probably just a simple case of stale RAID metadata.
[22:59] <cdnchris> Jordan_U: Crap. totally forgot that intel RST is enabled. Let me disable that from the windows side and then retry
[22:59] <OerHeks> cdnchris, check fastboot is off
[22:59] <Jeph_ch> cool guys
[22:59] <cdnchris> OerHeks: off, confirmed
[22:59] <OerHeks> that could cause not seen hdd nor devices in live mode
[22:59] <Jeph_ch> I dowloaded with torrent and the md5 correspond
[22:59] <cleanzragz> Hey OerHeks
[22:59] <Jeph_ch> 487f4a81f22f8597503db3d51a1b502e
[22:59] <lotuspsychje> Jordan_U: yeah, but a dell xps should be able to run ubuntu right out of the box right
[23:00] <Jeph_ch> the other 5 download I made directly from ubuntu website fail the test
[23:00] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, ok, now try unetbootin to the USB stick with the GOOD file
[23:00] <Jeph_ch> but why?? this is the first time in my live I have a problem with an Iso
[23:01] <cleanzragz> Jeph_ch the_human_fly Jordan_U hey dogz
[23:01] <cdnchris> folks thanks this may take a bit.. wrangling some tiny humans while I'm trying to do this.. oooooh blue screen in windows trying to disable RST
[23:01] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, who knows? you transferred 10,000,000,000 bits. any ONE could cause this error
[23:03] <Jeph_ch> hummm
[23:03] <the_human_fly> I'm assuming there are no admins on
[23:03] <ObrienDave> there ALWAYS here
[23:03] <cleanzragz> Jeph_ch: you humm on the_human_fly
[23:03] <the_human_fly> I need one to dm me
[23:03] <Jeph_ch> really complcated for me of this world I'm used with plug and play stuff
[23:03] <cdnchris> now I'm getting the expected response - no boot device
[23:03] <Jeph_ch> I's a good  school with linux
[23:03] <cleanzragz> cdnchris: dumb
[23:04] <k1l_> the_human_fly: if there is an issue inside the ubuntu channels report in #ubuntu-ops
[23:04] <ObrienDave> !behelpful | cleanzragz
[23:04] <cleanzragz> !ops the_human_fly
[23:04] <Jeph_ch> ah sorry it's an interjection where I'm comming in Africa
[23:05] <Jeph_ch>  it's like really?? or whaoo? or unbielivable?? under other skies
[23:05] <lotuspsychje> Jeph_ch: keep it ubuntu related mate
[23:05] <bazhang> Jeph_ch, please stay on topic
[23:05] <Jeph_ch> ok
[23:05] <Jeph_ch> :)
[23:05] <Jeph_ch> ubtbootin is doing the job at the moment
[23:06] <ObrienDave> Jeph_ch, like any new OS, it takes time to learn the in' and outs. patience grasshopper :)
[23:06] <cdnchris> I think I was booting into Windows cached on the SSD
[23:06] <the_human_fly> !ops cleanzragz
[23:06] <Jeph_ch> We have patience in africa  so I'm good to go :)
[23:07] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: did you fix it?
[23:11] <tard_magnet> anyway to block a user by ip
[23:12] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje Jordan_U OerHeks thanks for your help - it was Intel RST
[23:12] <k1l_> tard_magnet: report it to #freenode and use ignore
[23:12] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Jordan_U
[23:12] <k1l_> !ignore
[23:13] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: explain what you changed plz?
[23:13] <cdnchris> lotuspsychje Jordan_U OerHeks I turned off Intel Rapid Storage Technology
[23:13] <lotuspsychje> cdnchris: tnx for feedback
[23:13] <tard_magnet> that cleanragz idiot keeps coming in under different nicks and dm'ing.... nevermind...I'll just try to ignore them
[23:14] <OerHeks> cdnchris, nice machine
[23:14] <k1l_> tard_magnet: if they are in here again report it to #ubuntu-ops . if they are not in here than report it to #freenode
[23:14] <cdnchris> OerHeks, except they just introduced a newer new xps 15
[23:15] <cdnchris> OerHeks, but it is a beast.
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[23:29] <Alkalino> Hello everyone! I'm sorry , can I ask questions about the installation of Ubuntu 15.04 here?
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> Wow, spam.
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> !ubuntu+1 | Alkalino
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> wow
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> sorry
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> Alkalino: Sure!
[23:29] <NegativeFlare> xD
[23:30] <Alkalino> well I said 15.04, is that still okay, sorry I'm new
[23:30] <NegativeFlare> Alkalino: yes
[23:30] <NegativeFlare> What do you need
[23:31] <Alkalino> thanks
[23:42] <k1l_> Alkalino: just ask here
[23:43] <NegativeFlare> heh
[23:43] <NegativeFlare> k1l_: I've been waiting on him to ask xD
[23:43] <k1l_> yeah, he is too confused now with #ubuntu+1
[23:44] <Alkalino> Ok here I go.
[23:44] <NegativeFlare> k1l_: sorry
[23:44] <Alkalino> im trying to install ubuntu 15.04 but it say couldn't write bytes pipe broke
[23:44] <Alkalino> i left a 50gb space on disc for installation
[23:45] <Alkalino> and it keeps saying so no matter if is "trying ubuntu" or "installing ubuntu"
[23:45] <NegativeFlare> Alkalino: that's really weird
[23:45] <Pozitron> i want to install BlueZ;but when i run "configure" command,it says "GLib>=2.6".I upgraded gnome;but it doesnt change.
[23:46] <Alkalino> NegativeFlare I Know
[23:46] <Alkalino> does it helps knowing that my laptop is >2010 so it has the "EUFI" thing
[23:47] <Alkalino> I have turned it off an on and nothing changes
[23:47] <NegativeFlare> Alkalino: Are you sure the ISO verifies with the MD5 of the one online>?
[23:47] <Alkalino> I have recently installe 14.04 to a <2010 laptop and went ok
[23:47] <NegativeFlare> You might have gotten a bad ISO
[23:47] <Pozitron> what is your Ubuntu's version?UEFI doesnt support 32 bit ubuntu
[23:47] <Alkalino> yes i did that and there's nothing wrong
[23:48] <Alkalino> is the same one
[23:48] <Alkalino> did I say that the loading screen keeps appearing
[23:48] <Alkalino> the error message just appear for 2 secs
[23:49] <Alkalino> and after that the loading screen that never quites
[23:49] <LonelyDanbo> I'm having trouble with an app in WINE playing MIDI, though regular audio works fine. I notice a lot of pages mention ALSA but I seem to recall that ALSA broke my audio from working in Ubuntu. {I'm in Xubuntu.} I installed Timidity because it sounded like I needed that to play MIDI.
[23:52] <Aasim_Arch> hi
[23:53] <Alkalino> Aasim_Arch: hi
[23:54] <aasim> wats up Alkalino
[23:58] <hplc> hi, how do i get ubuntu to update whatever can be updated with source/apt-build, whenever theres a chance that can bring an update the apt-get didnt have
[23:58] <hplc> i.e when sources can bring in an update apt-get cant
[23:59] <hplc> sometimes the prebuilt ones are just too old in the repo
[23:59] <xangua> hplc: if by sources you mean a program you compiled, you have to manually update it
[23:59] <aasim> any one here use elementary


[03:49] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> howdy
[03:49] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I have a problem with a screen-less laptop I just installed lubuntu on
[03:49] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I was hoping it would treat it as a single monitor system as the bios did
[03:50] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> but lubuntu thinks the only monitor I have connected to be a second monitor
[03:50] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> and I can't see the start bar
[03:50] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> theres only an lvds cable in there connected so it passes bios
[03:54] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> nvm
[03:54] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> its working right
[04:21] <lyn||ian> Shawn|i7-Q720M, well you can run lxrandr and check save once you gett it working to have it start up that way each time
[04:21] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> ah, I have a feeling it fixed itself
[04:21] <lyn||ian> oh took a while to load
[19:52] <nikolaj_> Hi, I can't get xrdp to use danish keybord when I use LXterminal, who can I change the keyboard layout (I can't even make a question sign )
[20:01] <nikolaj_> solved serxkbmap dk
[20:01] <nikolaj_> solved setxkbmap dk
[20:33] <nikolaj_> Hi again when I set the keyboard with setxkbmap dk, and when I logout and log on the system i need to run the command again, Is there a way to run it automatic instead of starting the LXterminal
[20:38] <genii> Have you tried gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.keyboard active false
[20:51] <nikolaj_> genii, where do I set this setting
[20:52] <genii> in the console
[20:52] <nikolaj_> genii, should i be as sodi
[20:52] <nikolaj_> sodu
[20:52] <nikolaj_> sudo
[20:53] <genii> I don't think so
[20:54] <nikolaj_> genii, No such schema “org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.keyboard”
[20:54] <nikolaj_> genii, this was the ansver when i run the command
[20:55] <genii> meh
[20:57] <nikolaj_> genii, when i start the LXterminal and run setxkbmap dk the it work until i clous the terminal and then open it. the I need to run it again
[21:17] <nikolaj_> the problem was that I need to run xrdp-genmap local on the server and restart the service the it worked remotly :-(
[21:17] <nikolaj_> :-)


[02:07] <[g2] > where would be a good place to start for building a customized server ?
[04:25] <tarvid> installed webmin-slbackup and it does not appear in the webmin menus
[04:26] <tarvid> the module appears to have been installed /usr/share/webmin/slbackup/WebminSLBackup.pm
[04:26] <tarvid> it is in webmin.acl
[04:27] <tarvid> it is not in module.infos.cache
[04:29] <tarvid> it is in module.info in the source
[04:34] <tarvid> i have both /usr/share/webmin-1.250 and /usr/share/webmin
[04:34] <tarvid> slbackup is in /usr/share/webmin but not in /usr/share/webmin-1.250
[04:35] <tarvid> could that be the problem?
[05:08] <tarvid> After much stumbling about, I found the problem. webmin updates via different directories in /usr/share
[05:08] <tarvid> ubuntu installs to a directory without the version suffix
[06:44] <Mercury> I'm trying to move my server over from the user land NFS server with ugidd (which more or less works, but which has some Issues), to NFSv4 with the kernel land NFS server.
[06:45] <Mercury> At the moment I have some progress, it gets mounted fine, ls -l on stuff shows the proper usernames, with the ones that only exist on the server shown as nobody.
[06:45] <Mercury> However as best I can tell, for actually _accessing_ files the raw UID is used, and I can't for the life of me figure out _why_.
[06:46] <Mercury> Any suggestions?
[06:51] <Mercury> Yep, it is most definitely doing the proper translation when going from the server to the client, but it doesn't seem to be for going from the client to the server.
[07:00] <Mercury> And..  I don't know enough about the workings of nfsv4 to debug this properly, hrm.
[07:05] <lionelp> NFSv4 is not currently considered as stable
[07:05] <lionelp> it is still exeperimenting stuff
[07:07] <Mercury> Understood, but I'd still like to track down this problem.
[07:07] <lionelp> I search the web few weeks ago, and i do not found viable informations :-(
[07:08] <lionelp> yes, no pb
[07:08] <Mercury> Did you have the same problem?
[07:08] <lionelp> non, i did not try yet to migrate NFSv4
[08:20] <Mercury> Alright, this has one, simple, itty bitty question..   LDAP?
[08:26] <Mercury> spike: NFSv4.
[08:27] <Mercury> spike: I have a problem, after poking at things a bit I've come to the conclusion that the clients are not sending user names back, they are sending UIDs back, which makes no sense at all.
[08:35] <spike> Mercury: uh, sending back user names? what are you doing and what's not working?
[08:36] <spike> Mercury: have you run tcpdump and sniffed the traffic? that would clear out any doubt on what clients are sending back
[08:37] <Mercury> spike: I have.
[08:37] <Mercury> spike: The server is sending <user>@<domain>, nice and dandy.
[08:37] <Mercury> spike: The client is sending the UIDs, not even in ASCII.
[08:37] <Mercury> spike: This, of course, completely breaks the ID mapping.
[08:38] <Mercury> spike: And I can't figure out _WHY_.
[08:43] <Mercury> spike: Any ideas?  Any at all?
[08:43] <Mercury> spike: A known working configuration?  Anything that might help?
[08:54] <spike> Mercury: nope, sorry, I thought it was some ldap related prob
[09:02] <Mercury> spike: Alright.


[00:35] <flaccid> anyone alive that can help on disable_root and ec2-fetch-credentials ?
[00:35] <flaccid> i'm trying to work out this system they introduced in karmic
[00:36] <flaccid> i'm not sure why they do it this way instead of just sshd and pam
[00:37] <erichammond> flaccid: Are you wanting to enable ssh to root?
[00:37] <flaccid> heya Eric, yeah, I have raised an enhancement request so we can enable other users than root to login and also call scripts etc.
[00:38] <flaccid> for now, i just want to re-enable root so i can bundle this test instance which has been right-enabled
[00:38] <flaccid> then i can look at the more specific issue in the ticket raised indirectly by yourself
[00:40] <flaccid> interesting implementation canonical does in /usr/bin/ec2-fetch-credentials ..
[00:40] <erichammond> I posted a description on how to enable root towards the end of http://alestic.com/2009/04/ubuntu-ec2-sudo-ssh-rsync
[00:44] <flaccid> i don't think that is going to do the trick, but i will try
[00:46] <flaccid> wow it does. how does that work?
[00:46] <flaccid> i'm trying to work out what calls /usr/bin/ec2-fetch-credentials to check disable_root boolean
[00:49] <flaccid> hmmm bundle call from rs dash still silently failing
[00:53] <flaccid> i think i will have to call the ec2 api manually
[00:54] <erichammond> flaccid: /etc/init.d/ec2-init
[00:54] <erichammond> calls ec2-fetch-credentials
[00:54] <erichammond> Where do you see disable_root?
[00:57] <flaccid> grep disable_root /usr/bin/ec2-fetch-credentials
[01:04] <flaccid> would you be able to help me with a manual bundle then?
[01:05] <erichammond> flaccid: of a running instance?
[01:05] <erichammond> or building an AMI from scratch?
[01:05] <flaccid> yeah so ec2-bundle-vol on a running instance. need to know best practices for the params on a running instance w/ rightscale
[01:06] <flaccid> basically because i've never done it before, need to know what params i should be giving http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonEC2/dg/2006-10-01/CLTRG-ami-bundle-vol.html
[01:07] <erichammond> Here are my notes which should work on Karmic: http://alestic.com/2009/06/ec2-ami-bundle
[01:07] <flaccid> great, thats quite detailed, thanks eric
[01:08] <erichammond> I'm also building Karmic AMIs from scratch with vmbuilder but haven't published any notes yet.
[01:08] <flaccid> got any ideas why rs bundle call is silently failing after enabling root ?
[01:09] <erichammond> I don't think I've ever used the RightScale bundle button.
[01:09] <flaccid> im testing bundle of Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic	ami-1515f67c after right-enabling
[01:09] <flaccid> yeah, our bundle button is not reliable and i wouldn't mind working out why. but without interaction with eng I don't know what the api call it issues is. would be good if aws logged all api calls and responses..
[01:10] <erichammond> Are there any logs on the system?  Have any Ubuntu AMIs been able to be bundled that way before?
[01:10] <erichammond> Perhaps it's an incompatibility with commands between CentOS and Ubuntu.
[01:10] <flaccid> we only notify that the bundle call was initiated. i can bundle jaunty no problem and also done debian
[01:11] <flaccid> i'll show you the build toolkit i made
[01:12] <flaccid> erichammond: https://rightscale-services.s3.amazonaws.com:443/rightimage-build-toolkit/README
[01:13] <flaccid> erichammond: could you summarise the main roadblock you had, thus the ticket submitted?
[01:15] <flaccid> in regards to /bin/env: bad interpreter: No such file or directory. thats actually our bug. we should be using /usr/bin/env
[01:15] <flaccid> in my build-toolkit i create an extra symlink to work around this
[01:16] <erichammond> This shows up in /var/log/install: "touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/rightscale': No such file or directory"
[01:16] <flaccid> yeah i got that in jaunty as well. just need to touch it iirc
[01:16] <erichammond> and "/opt/rightscale/bin/ec2.sh: /opt/rightscale/bin/WaitFor: /bin/env: bad   interpreter: No such file or directory"
[01:16] <flaccid> yeah for that one, do, /bin/env: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/env'
[01:17] <erichammond> symlink sounds like a very temporary workaround which should be corrected quickly.
[01:17] <flaccid> problem is they may not update the current rightscale scripts due to focus on RightLink
[01:17] <flaccid> we can still raise bugs and try to get priority on them
[01:19] <erichammond> ok, I can try adding these and see how the build goes: mkdir /var/lock/subsys; ln -s /usr/bin/env /usr/env
[01:21] <flaccid> mkdir -p /var/lock/subsys && touch /var/lock/subsys/rightscale; ln -s /usr/bin/env /bin/env
[01:21] <flaccid> :)
[01:21] <erichammond> thanks
[01:21] <flaccid> nps
[01:21] <erichammond> It's ok for subsys/rightscale to be owned by root?
[01:21] <flaccid> yep
[01:22] <flaccid> generally nothing in there most of the time
[01:23] <flaccid> if i add the mkdir/touch to my build toolkit, that should cover full support for jaunty and karmic
[01:27] <flaccid> just going to launch an rs server w/ jaunty template and rightimage to verify the console output errors such as the /var/lock/subsys/rightscale
[01:41] <erichammond> flaccid: All these different ways of installing RightScale are starting to wear me down.  What you just listed is different from what Martin provided me which is different from the other 4 ways I used to do it.
[01:43] <flaccid> well, that certainly is a problem
[01:43] <erichammond> Hopefully, we'll end up with a single recommended approach out of all this.
[01:46] <flaccid> its going to be hard, particularly because of the focus on RightLink which will provide packages to simply install the RightLink agent
[01:46] <flaccid> have you seen http://support.rightscale.com/index.php?title=06-FAQs/FAQ_0103_-_How_do_I_make_any_Amazon_Machine_Image_%28AMI%29_capable_of_running_RightScripts%3F ? my build toolkit is basically a fork of that
[01:49] <erichammond> Here's the basic script from Martin which requires setting a number of envariables first: http://alestic-downloads.s3.amazonaws.com/rightscale_install
[01:49] <erichammond> I see overlaps with your code.
[01:49] <flaccid> yes that is correct
[01:52] <erichammond> flaccid: so which one is preferred?
[01:53] <flaccid> there is no preferred. its all up to you. there is no official way to do this
[01:54] <flaccid> the equiv of this script is https://rightscale-services.s3.amazonaws.com/rightimage-build-toolkit%2Finstall_rightscale.bash and i just polished it up and modularised some things into other scripts
[01:54] <erichammond> Is root ssh required to perform some RightScale functions?
[01:54] <flaccid> yes because ssh/root is used
[02:01] <erichammond> flaccid: Were you looking for this before? /etc/ec2-init/ec2-config.cfg
[02:02] <flaccid> ah yes
[02:02] <flaccid> this is bundled by canonical right?
[02:02] <erichammond> yes, that file is on the Canonical AMIs
[02:03] <flaccid> coolio
[02:03] <erichammond> and any AMIs which are built with vmbuilder, I presume.
[02:03] <erichammond> (I'll know shortly)
[02:04] <flaccid> okies
[02:04] <flaccid> well i am actually getting the output from our worker on running the bundling script
[02:04] <flaccid> looks like missing dep for the script
[02:09] <flaccid> [2009-12-28 02:05:51] [Ec2BundleWorker] : ERR: /home/ec2//lib/ec2/amitools/crypto.rb:13:in `require': no such file to load -- openssl (LoadError)\n
[02:09] <flaccid> need openssl rubygem
[02:10] <flaccid> apt-get install libopenssl-ruby issued
[02:12] <flaccid> bundling initiated
[02:12] <flaccid> rsync is going so it appears to be working without error so far
[02:15] <flaccid> tar is running. good so far..
[02:17] <flaccid> gzip running :)
[02:23] <flaccid> splitting bundle now
[02:25] <flaccid> erichammond: that was successful. let me see how it goes now under an rs server
[02:25] <rberger> If I launch a canonical US-West AMI in US West it doesn't have access to http://us.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic-updates and apt-get update fails
[02:26] <rberger> Anyone know how to fix it or if I'm doing something wrong?
[02:27] <erichammond> rberger: You can switch to us-west-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:27] <erichammond> Or (as I do) switch to the RightScale Ubuntu mirrors.
[02:28] <rberger> erichammond: Thanks, is this a known bug?  What is the address of the rightscale ubuntu mirros (ps you are my hero :-)
[02:31] <erichammond> rberger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ec2-init/+bug/494185
[02:31] <erichammond> It's marked "fix released", but I didn't think that it was in the latest official AMI from Canonical.
[02:32] <erichammond> I also suspect it will not work for you if you rebundle an AMI in us-east-1 and then migrate it to us-west-1 or eu-west-1.
[02:33] <erichammond> rberger: If you have runurl installed (http://alestic.com/2009/08/runurl) then the following command switches to the RightScale Ubuntu apt repository mirrors: sudo runurl run.alestic.com/apt/rightscale
[02:34] <erichammond> If you want to only upgrade to the Ubuntu archives as of a particular date, RightScale keeps daily snapshots.  For, say, December 1: sudo runurl run.alestic.com/apt/rightscale 2009/12/01
[02:34] <flaccid> cool
[02:35] <erichammond> RightScale has 2 load balanced, failover mirrors in us-west-1 and 3 in us-east-1.
[02:36] <erichammond> When one of the EC2 availability zones failed a couple months back, my instances in a different availability zone could still upgrade because they failed over to the mirror in a zone which was working.
[02:36] <flaccid> erichammond: i have a RightImage karmic working. would just need some script mods for monitoring and scripting to work, but this is separate to the image of course
[02:37] <erichammond> flaccid: Glad to hear it.  I'm continuing on the path I was traveling with some mods from this session, but may switch over to your code if I have problems.
[02:38] <flaccid> yeah its really just a matter of dealing with each issue
[02:38] <flaccid> erichammond: those errors you saw, they were in console output right?
[02:39] <erichammond> flaccid: They were in /var/log/install if we're talking about the same thing
[02:39] <rberger> erichammond: I am using the ami canonical lists on their website ami-7d3c6d38. THanks again.
[02:39] <flaccid> erichammond: ok. i will check this
[02:40] <flaccid> erichammond: a launch and terminate shows no errors in console output. so i will now go over the /var/log/install on a fresh launch
[02:40] <erichammond> rberger: Though I pointed you to some code on run.alestic.com I should caution you that it is just my playground and should not be used for production systems.  Feel free to copy the code and host it on your own reliable locations.
[02:42] <rberger> erichammond: Will do. Working on gettiing my own base system on us-west for use with opscode chef. Hopefully it won't be too hard... All your tools and docs are a big help!
[02:42] <erichammond> rberger: Glad you find them useful.
[02:42] <flaccid> rberger: have you checked out rightscale/chef yet ?
[02:43] <rberger> flaccid: Does the rightscale/ chef stuff cost money on a instance-hour basis?
[02:43] <flaccid> rberger: no
[02:43] <flaccid> you can get a free developer account if you wanna try it out
[02:44] <flaccid> well from memory you get chef w/ free accounts
[02:44] <flaccid> personally, im not into chef at all. im not a ruby guy either
[02:44] <rberger> flaccid: But in production it cost per instance per hour? I'm more concerned about production as our base line system is over 10 nodes..
[02:45] <flaccid> rberger: rightscale is a management platform, your cloud accounts such as AWS are with them
[02:46] <erichammond> flaccid: Ok, my vmbuilder-built, RightScale-enabled, Karmic AMIs work when started with the EC2 API.  Now to tag them with the magic tags in RightScale and test them there.
[02:47] <rberger> flaccid: It seems that the righscale folks are doing great stuff but we can't afford to pay extra on a per node/hour basis.
[02:47] <flaccid> erichammond: ok so you are essentially saying you are up to testing, right ?
[02:47] <erichammond> flaccid: yep, testing in RightScale.
[02:47] <erichammond> flaccid: Is there a trivial RightScript I could use to test that RightScript functionality works?
[02:47] <erichammond> I wrote my own, but figured there should be something available in the public library.
[02:48] <flaccid> rberger: we don't charge anything per hour, only certain overages with premium accounts. a free dev account doesn't cost you anything, only AWS...
[02:48] <flaccid> erichammond: a hello world is a good one to use
[02:48] <flaccid> i don't think there is anything in the library unfortunately
[02:48] <flaccid> i just use a bash hello world
[02:48] <rberger> flaccid: I'll look into it again, thanks
[02:49] <flaccid> rberger: nps. im a support engineer with RightScale. so if you have any questions, i'm around..
[02:51] <flaccid> erichammond: ok so only error left i have is touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/rightscale': No such file or directory because i didn't do anything before bundling. can i ask where you did the mkdir and touch for this ?
[02:51] <flaccid> just before bundling or in a sequence ?
[02:52] <erichammond> That was needed in the rightscale install script I was running, so I did mkdir/touch before I ran it.
[02:53] <erichammond> I'm building the image from scratch in a subdirectory, so I had to include the root of the image directory as well.
[02:53] <flaccid> yeah so you just mkdir and touch before bundling so it exists in the image, correct?
[02:59] <flaccid> ok doing another bundle after touching this file
[02:59] <flaccid> i'll let you know if i can find any problems/limitations after i have updated the template to use the new image
[03:00] <erichammond> flaccid: yes
[03:05] <flaccid> danke
[03:06] <erichammond> flaccid: No luck: flaccid: touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/rightscale': No such file or directory
[03:06] <erichammond> This may be wiped out in the boot process.
[03:06] <flaccid> okies, i shall look into this now!
[03:06] <erichammond> It may need to be fixed by RightScale when running on Ubuntu.
[03:08] <erichammond> I think Ubuntu would expect it to be /var/lock/rightscale/xxx
[03:08] <erichammond> with RightScale creating the subdirectory
[03:08] <erichammond> At least that's how the other /var/lock users seem to be behaving on my system.
[03:09] <erichammond> /var/lock has the same permissions as /tmp (world writable, sticky bit)
[03:09] <flaccid> might have to add to /etc/rc.local or something
[03:09] <flaccid> let me just replicate the problem from this new bundle when its done
[03:10] <erichammond> It has to be done before /etc/init.d/rightscale runs at S90
[03:11] <flaccid> right
[03:11] <flaccid> i assume /etc/rc.local is practically the last thing after the rc seq yeah ?
[03:13] <erichammond> S99 I believe
[03:13] <flaccid> ah rightio
[03:13] <flaccid> i'll check it out
[03:13] <erichammond> I'm also getting what looks like a more serious error in RightScale startup.  Here's the whole /var/log/install - http://paste.ubuntu.com/347903/
[03:15] <flaccid> danke
[03:16] <erichammond> Adding: apt-get install libxml-simple-ruby
[03:16] <erichammond> but this is going to be a slow process if I have to keep building AMIs to test :-\
[03:16] <erichammond> Should I switch to your code/
[03:16] <erichammond> ?
[03:16] <flaccid> yes iirc i handled that in my build toolkit
[03:17] <flaccid> probably in the deps scripts
[03:17] <flaccid> oops, dep script.
[03:17] <flaccid> yeah certainly covered that when i hit it
[03:22] <erichammond> flaccid: Are these still the latest and greatest instructions? https://rightscale-services.s3.amazonaws.com:443/rightimage-build-toolkit/README
[03:23] <flaccid> erichammond: yes. the whole thing is authored by myself and any updated, i just save straight back to the files
[03:24] <erichammond> Hm, looks like I'll have to chroot to the image directory first.
[03:25] <flaccid> i should create a TODO, there is still some things to add like java jre
[03:25] <flaccid> not sure why you would need to do something like that on a running instance..
[03:25] <erichammond> I'm not bundling my running instance.  I'm building a fresh Karmic AMI from scratch using vmbuilder.
[03:25] <flaccid> ok, sounds good then
[03:26] <flaccid> keep in mind this build toolkit is for running instances bundling. i havnt done any scratch stuff
[03:26] <erichammond> Does your code handle setting disable_root ?
[03:28] <flaccid> negative. i have not updated anything for karmic yet
[03:28] <erichammond> ok
[03:28] <flaccid> but that atm, looks like the intention. i doubt eng are going to address this 'feature' anytime in the near future..
[03:29] <flaccid> it does need to be addressed and my fav OS is freebsd, so when ec2 upgrades xen, i need support for non-root
[03:43] <flaccid> ok so rc.local will get run before rightscale init
[03:50] <flaccid> ok i am re-bundling with the touch in /etc/rc.local
[03:53] <erichammond> flaccid: From what I see S90rightscale is run before S99rc.local
[03:54] <flaccid> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  18 2009-10-27 13:43 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local
[03:54] <flaccid> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  20 2009-12-27 23:43 S99rightscale -> ../init.d/rightscale
[03:54] <flaccid> its S99 for both, so rc comes before ri
[03:54] <erichammond> Ah, you have rightscale at a different level in your software.
[03:54] <flaccid> well at least this is how it is with karmic in runlevel 4 default
[03:55] <flaccid> erichammond: maybe. i don't recall changing this manually, so we would need to see how it is set
[03:55] <flaccid> can check that out in regression
[03:55] <erichammond> What problems does that missing directory/file cause?
[03:58] <flaccid> none that i have noticed
[03:58] <flaccid> i don't even know what its for
[04:02] <flaccid> relaunching with new bundle
[04:11] <flaccid> erichammond: that did the trick. so its all good, except for the fact that its not official supported yet and thus repos support is a no go etc.
[04:13] <erichammond> The Ubuntu repositories hosted by RightScale are very stable.  In my experience, they have been more stable than the mirrors hosted by Canonical in EC2.
[04:13] <flaccid> and also the logging and monitoring scripts will require updates
[04:13] <erichammond> yeah, that makes sense.
[04:13] <flaccid> erichammond: thats the repos themselves. im referring to the userland implementation on the instance. we don't support new versions yet and i'm not sure if the later releases are mirrored.
[04:14] <flaccid> configuring software repos will return Failed to generate repository configuration: unsupported ubuntu release 9.10
[06:41] <erichammond> flaccid: Ok, it looks like basic RightScale integration is working on my custom vmbuilder Karmic AMIs.  I'm still using Martin's code with info from this discussion with you.
[06:41] <erichammond> At least basic RightScript stuff works, though I also see your latest errors, too (Failed to generate repository configuration: unsupported ubuntu release 9.10).
[06:41] <erichammond> Thanks for your help.
[06:41] <erichammond> I'm off to see Avatar 3D again...
[06:42] <flaccid> coolio


[03:18] <guiverc> does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams need update with regards Ubuntu Studio lead?  (lists Kaj not Eickmeyer)
[03:21] <OvenWerks> Thats old for sure.
[03:23] <guiverc> I can change to Eickmeyer if you'd like (I'd also change Lubuntu to say LXQt)
[03:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]:  may prefer to have his name rather than nick
[16:44] <Lossehelin> greetings!
[19:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> guiverc: Yeah, go ahead with that change. (I was out at anniversary celebration)


[01:42] <guiverc> Finished my read thru... no suggested edits Bashing-om  (hub-quality summary grabbed me, but couldn't work out why exactly)
[01:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D Will look at hub - see if it grabs on me.
[01:49] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - crude - lemme see if I can improve :D
[02:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Try the Hub article now - see if it is now acceptable :D
[02:09] <guiverc> I like your second summary ; well done   (more complete!)
[02:09] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om ; just drop the first.
[02:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Got to get the mind right - and able to focus :P
[02:14] <guiverc> :)
[04:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 222 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-222/
[04:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Magnet Goblin’s vulnerability ^ // this important enough not to delay inclusion of next week's security podcast ?
[04:42] <guiverc> just started it playing.. Alex mentions late this week at start; if left till next issue we may have two security.podcasts...   I have no issue with inclusion (no idea on magnet.goblin as not covered yet & I know nothing about it)
[04:42] <guiverc> Bashing-om, ^
[04:54] <guiverc> the magnet.goblin stuff doesn't impress me as 'vital' or worthy of inclusion (impacts old EOL software)
[04:58] <guiverc> yep.. next issue "later this week" (our next issue)..   only reason to include is so we have ubuntu.security.podcast this & next issue; instead of likely two next week...   i'm not fussed
[04:58] <guiverc> Bashing-om, ^
[05:03] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Then we do not break protocol - we run 2 Security podcast next week.
[16:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: GNOME 46: The Best New Features @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/03/gnome-46-new-features
[19:30] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling WIP/Comments/WIKI - log checked and no further edits are known, Will start the push soonest.
[20:01] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - doing the Forums posting next.
[20:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums posting completed - Making up a Mastodon blog next.
[21:08] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/03/18/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-831/
[21:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue832 Off and running :D
[21:15] <guiverc> tweeted uwn 831, posted telegram (& mewe) ...
[21:15]  * guiverc will post to fb later as not expecting keyboard to work on tor.browser here yet
[21:16] <Bashing-om> Oh! Mastodon blogded :P
[21:18] <guiverc> had an issue with tor.browser for weeks now; post to fb late in day when on debian box  (I can copy/paste etc. into tor.browser, but not key using keyboard... and tor.browser my getting around my own fb.site blocks..)
[21:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: popey has advised his instance on Mastodon is to be discontinued on the 31st if none other picks up the slack.
[21:25] <guiverc> I noted that & saw some discussion (community-team I think, can't recall exactly..)


[07:11] <pitti> Good morning
[07:12] <pitti> didrocks: hey! happy to be back home? :-)
[07:12] <pitti> dobey: no :)
[09:02] <Zdra> dobey: yes empathy have sound support
[09:02] <Zdra> dobey: but ubuntu's sound theme is missing almost everything
[09:03] <Zdra> afaik on jaunty the only sound we have is incoming-call
[09:03] <Zdra> which is the most important IMO
[09:03] <seb128> I'm not a big fan of sound effects
[09:03] <Zdra> me neither
[09:04] <Zdra> seb128: about MSN file transfer, I don't think we can say pidgin support that
[09:04] <Zdra> seb128: I never had more than 4b/s
[09:04] <seb128> no, it's very very slow
[09:04] <Zdra> which is totally useless
[09:04] <seb128> some of the other points are good ones
[09:04] <seb128> ie sending message to people not there
[09:05] <seb128> or custom emoticons
[09:05] <Zdra> yep
[09:06] <Zdra> seb128: IMO it's much much much more important to have xmpp audio/video
[09:07] <seb128> is that working?
[09:07] <Zdra> seb128: also, it depends if ubuntu want to promote good support for open protocols (jabber) or closed (msn)
[09:07] <Laney> I bet there's a lot of people who use even the broken msn file xfer we have in Pidgin
[09:07] <Zdra> seb128: yes it is working
[09:07] <seb128> cassidy said it was not working fine right now and that it will not working out of the box anyway because it requires codecs which can't be installed by default
[09:08] <Zdra> seb128: did he said that? we support speex and theora
[09:08] <Zdra> they are installed by default on ubuntu
[09:08] <Zdra> it should even work from live CD
[09:08] <Zdra> afaik
[09:09] <Zdra> seb128: in fact we can use any codec supported by gstreamenr
[09:09] <seb128> "<cassidy>	seb128: also note that for google video (interop with the web client), we need H264 (thanks Google...) which can't be shipped by default"
[09:10] <Zdra> seb128: ah, that's for google's client
[09:10] <Zdra> seb128: I meant for empathy<>empazthy
[09:10] <seb128> ah right, that works using theora
[09:11] <Zdra> seb128: yep, google's web plugin for video is a problem, there is not much we can do
[09:11] <Zdra> seb128: basically it's up to canonical to go to google's office and shout people until they add support for open codecs
[09:12] <Zdra> seb128: but installing ubuntu-restricted-extra should be enough to get it working now
[09:12] <seb128> right
[09:12] <seb128> brb
[09:15] <seb128> Zdra: anyway having ubuntu to ubuntu video working will already be nice
[09:16] <seb128> and we want to promote free protocols but not in detriment of what users need
[09:16] <seb128> ie if other protocols are totally rubish compared to pidgin we will probably roll back before karmic
[09:17] <Zdra> the problem with other protocols is nobody actually work on them
[09:17] <seb128> but we will get user feedback anyway before deciding so we know where we stand and what is still required if we are not ready to switch
[09:17] <Zdra> we have some work done on MSN level, but not that much afaik
[09:18] <Zdra> non free protocols have lots of user, but not a single developer, that's the problem
[09:19] <seb128> well apparently pidgin has people working on it
[09:19] <seb128> you don't get the feature for free by using libpidgin ?
[09:27] <Zdra> seb128: for protocols, yes
[09:27] <Zdra> libpurple
[09:27] <seb128> so things like sending message to people who are not there or custom emoticons should be working?
[09:27] <Zdra> for MSN there is a dilemma because we have a dedicated CM for it
[09:28] <seb128> dedicated cm but nobody working on it you said?
[09:28] <Zdra> istaz_: is working on it sometimes
[09:28] <Zdra> seb128: and someone is working on audio/video support
[09:28] <seb128> ok, we might want to test msn using the cm and using libpurple
[09:29] <seb128> to see which one is working better
[09:30] <Zdra> seb128: we made the choice in empathy to not show pidgin based msn if butterfly (the dedicated CM) is installed. But maybe we should reevaluate that
[09:30] <seb128> I will test both and let you know how they are working there
[09:31] <istaz_> Zdra: I think the guys of the papyon project have started to work on it
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti - i got some positive feedback on my fix for bug 361205, although the package is only in my PPA at the moment. do you want me to prepare a debdiff for jaunty-proposed later today? (I see a lot of other stuff got uploaded this morning)
[09:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: proposed> I saw that, good job! Please prepare an upload and attach it, then I'll sponsor it
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[12:45] <diverse_izzue> hi all. are there plans to replace scim by ibus for karmic or karmic+1?
[12:57] <asac> ArneGoetje: ^^
[13:32]  * asac lunch time
[15:33] <pitti> seb128: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnome-3 whiteboard still has the discussion notes, and it seems they have much more information than the final wiki spec
[15:33] <pitti> seb128: is that intended? can the whiteboard be flushed now?
[15:34] <SiDi> Hey pitti . You're the person who coded the new notifications in gnome-power-manager for notify-osd, right ?
[15:34] <pitti> SiDi: no, that was davidbarth
[15:34] <SiDi> aw
[15:35] <pitti> which reminds me that they are broken in Karmic
[15:35] <SiDi> I saw your name in the changelogs :)
[15:35] <SiDi> Yeh, well, i wrote a quick spec for notify-osd integration in Xubuntu, and there is a note about the power manager
[15:35] <SiDi> What id like to get is : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=notify-osd-powerinfo-example.png
[15:36] <SiDi> I think i can do it for xfce4-power-manager but we're likely to stay on gnome-power-manager. But i really cant write code on this one with so many changes being done to it
[15:38] <pitti> SiDi: yes, I sponsored the changes
[15:42] <SiDi> Do you think it's possible to remove half the text and replace the bulb icon with a battery icon indicating the percentage left, in order to make the notification bubble easier to read ?
[15:43] <pitti> SiDi: please discuss this with MacSlow or davidbarth
[15:43] <SiDi> pitti, okey, willdo, thanks
[15:43] <SiDi> shall i mail ubuntu-desktop, maybe ?
[15:45] <pitti> SiDi: ayatana is probably better for design questions
[15:46] <SiDi> Alright
[15:54] <davidbarth> SiDi: hi, how can i help?
[15:54] <SiDi> Hello davidbarth
[15:54] <SiDi> Well, it's about notifications for battery state
[15:54] <SiDi> I think they're a bit overloaded and could be optimised a little
[15:54] <artir> meeting is in 6 minutes?
[15:55] <SiDi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=notify-osd-power-current.png & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/NotifyOsd?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=notify-osd-powerinfo-example.png
[15:55] <davidbarth> SiDi: ok, i see (slowly reading the log)
[15:55] <SiDi> shall give you an idea of what i want
[15:59] <davidbarth> SiDi: the mockup is interesting; the only thing we'd like to avoid is to display useless notifications; ie the user should only see them when it makes sense
[15:59] <SiDi> davidbarth, thats for the XF86Power triggered notifications
[15:59] <SiDi> It's just a little cleanup to make it easier to read, actually
[16:00] <davidbarth> SiDi: ok, makes sense then, as they are the direct result of a user action
[16:00] <SiDi> Sec, gonna upload a video with what i have in mind ;)
[16:00] <davidbarth> SiDi: that's a good suggestion; would you like to comment on that in the Ayatana list
[16:00] <SiDi> Sure
[16:00] <davidbarth> SiDi: see https://launchpad.net/~ayatana
[16:00] <SiDi> Im on it already
[16:01] <SiDi> Im Steve Dodier (got a pending mail to send about user activity monitoring too ^^)
[16:01] <davidbarth> SiDi: cool, be sure to get mpt's attention too, as he lead most of the design/usability aspects of these changes
[16:01] <SiDi> Alright
[16:02] <SiDi> as for the icons, i spoke with kwwii and mat_t and they seem ok to get them included, already
[16:12] <seb128> re
[16:12] <seb128> pitti: not sure how the whiteboard should be used, should it have the session notes or discussions?
[16:12] <pitti> seb128: it should ideally only have status metadata
[16:12] <pitti> seb128: I left the discussion there for now
[16:13] <seb128> pitti: I didn't feel that having a summary of the softwares, what they are doing etc was having a sense in the spec
[16:13] <pitti> but if there's anythign important which is not covered by the wiki page,it should move into "BoF discussion" section of the wiki page IMHO
[16:13] <pitti> unreleavant stuff can be removed, of course
[16:13] <pitti> seb128: agreed
[16:14] <seb128> I've reviewed the notes and didn't add notes on purpose there is nothing really interesting there
[16:14] <seb128> I will clean the whiteboard and checking it's all correct
[16:14] <seb128> -ing
[16:14] <pitti> seb128: cool, thanks
[16:15] <seb128> you're welcome
[16:15] <seb128> session restart brb
[16:20] <seb128> ok works correctly
[16:20]  * seb128 does upgrade some components to karmic
[16:21] <seb128> pitti: you mean the file in /etc? /usr/share is not under the admin's control
[16:21] <seb128> they are the same file
[16:22] <pitti> ah, that mess, I remember
[16:22] <pitti> seb128: can we fix the code to read /etc, clean up an unchanged /etc/ file in the postinst, and drop the symlink in /usr ?
[16:22] <pitti> s/postinst/preinst/ of course
[16:23] <seb128> pitti: and for wine, file-roller taking over the mimetype and hijacking the action was one of the things the wine guys complained about in jaunty
[16:23] <pitti> I guess so
[16:23] <pitti> executables should be handled by binfmt-misc
[16:24] <seb128> right now zip-exe are opened in file-roller
[16:24] <seb128> I though that was normal mimetype association
[16:24] <seb128> but I don't know the details, will pick an easier example
[16:24] <seb128> we can probably do upgrade magic and cleaning for the defaults.list yes
[16:25] <pitti> thanks
[16:25] <seb128> np, thank you for the quick review!
[16:25] <seb128> I'm still not clear about design and implementation difference too
[16:25] <seb128> but I guess I will never understand those
[16:25] <pitti> don't worry too much about those
[16:26] <pitti> it's "what" vs. "how"
[16:26] <pitti> but sometimes that's too small a difference
[16:26] <seb128> how, ie "start gedit, code, profit"? ;-)
[16:26] <pitti> Design:
[16:27] <pitti>  * Move keyboard handling from hal to udev
[16:27] <pitti> Implementation:
[16:27] <pitti>  * Build hal with --disable-keymaps
[16:27] <pitti>  * create a migration script to convert hal fdi files to udev rules
[16:27] <pitti>  * ship new rules in udev-extras
[16:27] <asac> killall
[16:27] <pitti>  * install udev-extras by default as part of ubuntu-standard
[16:28] <pitti> seb128: that would be an example, as I understand and use it
[16:28] <seb128> I would tend to write the design as a spec summary
[16:28] <pitti> asac: ... humans?
[16:28] <seb128> and use the implementation list for design
[16:28] <seb128> but gotcha, thanks ;-)
[16:28] <asac> ;)
[16:28] <pitti> * asac is now known as Bender
[16:28] <asac> pitti: killall sshd ;)
[16:29] <asac> is meeting now or in 1h ?
[16:29] <pitti> asac: in one week and 1 h
[16:30] <seb128> asac: you should start reading emails ;-)
[16:31] <asac> err. i read all emails afaik
[16:31] <asac> guess it was send before allhands?
[16:31] <artir> in the fridge it says that the meeting is today right now
[16:32] <pitti> asac: check for a procmail rule * ^From: Rick Spencer\n/dev/null
[16:32] <asac> lol
[16:32] <pitti> asac: was sent yesterday or so
[16:32] <asac> no. i am really sure rick goes in my inbox
[16:35] <seb128> asac: subject is "	team meeting and specs"
[16:36] <asac> yeah ... did he send with @canonical.com?
[16:37] <seb128> yes
[16:37] <seb128> asac: it has been sent to your canonical email
[16:37] <seb128> and coming from rick's canonical email
[16:38] <asac> ok thanks. will check on that
[16:38] <seb128> asac: I can bounce you the mail if you want
[16:40] <asac> seb128: yeah please do. i see it in my procmail log as being pushed into inbox ... but its not there :)
[16:40] <asac> maybe i hit delete when processing this morning
[16:42] <seb128> asac: sent to your ubuntu email
[16:42] <seb128> ups canonical rather
[16:47] <asac> thanks. got it
[17:03] <asac> off getting some food stocks ... bbl
[17:44] <pitti> 'nuff sponsoring for today, I'm off for the evening
[17:44] <pitti> I might come back later, but need to run out for some errands
[17:44]  * pitti waves
[17:46] <seb128> pitti: see you later!
[18:22] <asac> seb128: which ppa was the bluetooth-gnome thing in? u remember?
[18:32] <asac> pitti: when you get back, could you approve https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 for karmic?
[18:32] <asac> (not that it matters as i am about to start drafting)
[18:34] <SiDi> * rdepends migration (to xulrunner 1.9.1 + webkit)
[18:34] <SiDi> webkit ?
[18:38] <asac> SiDi: yes. the more we can move to webkit the less we have a need to do backporting for xulrunner
[18:39] <SiDi> well, that means webkit will be present in ubuntu's default image ?
[18:58] <slomo> seb128: you probably want to sync libgdata from debian/unstable for totem 2.27 (once it's from NEW)
[19:07] <dobey> totem uses google apps?
[19:07] <crevette> for youtube video plugin
[19:09] <seb128> crevette: where did you put your bluetooth updates? in a ppa? which one?
[19:09] <crevette> hey seb128
[19:09] <seb128> slomo: ok thanks, has libgdata been approved for GNOME now?
[19:10] <crevette> seb128: nome-bluetooth?
[19:10] <seb128> yes
[19:11] <slomo> seb128: no idea, it's an optional dependency of youtube anyway
[19:11] <seb128> ok
[19:11] <crevette> seb128: the bug is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/372395
[19:11] <crevette> and there is a build in my ppa yes
[19:12] <slomo> seb128: i mean, an optional dependency for totem, required to build the youtube plugin ;) so you really want this in ubuntu... sjoerd already complained to me that i uploaded totem 2.27 without the youtube plugin ;)
[19:12] <seb128> right
[19:12] <seb128> yet another depends
[19:12] <seb128> *shrug*, GNOME starts being really bloated
[19:12] <slomo> well, before it used python-gdata
[19:12] <slomo> you can demote that to universe maybe ;)
[19:12] <Tm_T> seb128: starts being?
[19:13] <slomo> but all those mini libraries are really annoying
[19:13] <seb128> Tm_T: go troll somewhere else will you?
[19:13] <seb128> Tm_T: that's not the right channel for that
[19:13] <Tm_T> hmh, and again I did wrong wording
[19:14] <Tm_T> what I mean is, it's hard to draw a line when something is bloat, so I was asking what is the thing you find now going over the line
[19:14] <seb128> there is no obvious over the line
[19:15] <seb128> but every second day they add a new library nowadays
[19:15] <seb128> where some other people are trying to reduce the number of libs
[19:15] <crevette> seb128: by the way for gnome-bluetooth I tested the workflow with pulseaudio 0.9.15 and this is rallt working fine for me, I was able to connect and play music on my bluetooth audio gateway in few click
[19:15] <seb128> so the issue is not the number but the direction
[19:16] <seb128> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/372395 <- that?
[19:16] <Tm_T> seb128: roger roger, I often have to explain how DE:s are not bloated when compared to WM:s
[19:17] <slomo> seb128: into which other library would you put libgdata btw? ;)
[19:17] <Laney> seb128: I'm looking at it now that I got reminded
[19:17] <Laney> fell off the radar
[19:17] <Laney> crevette: sorry
[19:17] <seb128> slomo: it used to be in e-d-s
[19:17] <crevette> Laney: hey not problem, I know you all have lots of things to do
[19:18] <slomo> seb128: yes, good that it is outside eds now... eds brings in a too large dependency chain for your average google api using application ;)
[19:18] <Laney> feel free to ping me if I forget again :O
[19:18] <seb128> slomo: will the binary was splitted in e-d-s obviously, ie no extra depends
[19:18] <seb128> will -> well
[19:18] <seb128> just longer build to rebuild this one
[19:18] <seb128> but I'm not sure have 15 sources instead of e-d-s will make anything easier
[19:19] <slomo> seb128: well, you could use libgdata on windows but i doubt you'll be able to build eds on windows ;) but i don't think there's anything to argue about here, all those mini libraries only make things more complicated in general ;)
[19:20] <seb128> right
[19:22] <slomo> seb128: do you know what's blocking totem 2.27 in ubuntu?
[19:22] <seb128> uds
[19:22] <seb128> ie just came back this weekend and yesterday was an holiday
[19:22] <seb128> I will have a look tomorrow
[19:22] <asac> checking
[19:22] <slomo> ok :)
[19:28] <Laney> crevette: You should try to make your changelogs more verbose: where - what - why
[19:30] <Laney> also did you package from scratch? I'm seeing a lot of changes from 0.11.0-0ubuntu4 that aren't in the changelog that I can see
[19:46] <crevette> Laney: 0.11 gnome-bluettoth was a different project
[19:46] <crevette> it used to be only a obex server
[19:46] <crevette> now this feature is provide by gnome-user-sahre
[19:47] <Laney> crevette: you still should have mentioned all the changes imo
[19:48] <Laney> but it's not a blocker
[19:50] <Laney> crevette: Dude you need to update the copyright file
[19:51] <Laney> that is a blocker for me I'm afraid
[19:52] <crevette> ah yeah I remember I didn't know what to do
[19:52] <crevette> should I drop it and replace by a new one
[19:52] <Laney> as long as you keep the copyright of the old debian packager
[19:52] <Laney> unless you completely rewrote it
[19:53] <Laney> it just need to be accurate and up to date
[19:53] <Laney> following dep5 is probably a good idea
[19:53] <Laney> ping me when it's done and I'll have another look
[19:54] <crevette> dep5 ?
[19:55] <Laney> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[19:58] <crevette> Laney: the copyright references gnome-bluetooth tools & gnome-bluetooth library, but there is no tools (I don't know what it meant) and I'm not sure gnome-bluetooth provide a library. should I meantion it applied to previous version until 0.11
[20:00] <Laney> crevette: delete it and start again if that's easier
[20:00] <crevette> nothing remains from gnome-bluetooth, but as I took bluez-gnome as reference I should perhaps reference this
[20:00] <Laney> it pretty much just needs to list all files, their license and copyright holders
[20:00] <Laney> reference any packagers who worked on this stuff before you
[20:01] <Laney> in the copyright for debian/*
[20:09] <seb128> slomo: working on gtk 2.17 now?
[20:10] <seb128> slomo: some reason is http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gtk+/commit/?id=663bf3db0efde02f96e34bc08846356be3240f7f, see  bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578765
[20:11] <crevette> Laney: thanks for the review, sorry to waste your time :/
[20:12] <Laney> it's not a waste, this is what the process is for
[20:12] <crevette> I could have been more efficient
[20:12] <crevette> let's focus on this
[20:25] <slomo> seb128: no 2.16.2, but thanks :)
[20:25] <seb128> slomo: ok, 2.17 has the same issue
[20:26] <huats> seb128: hello !
[20:26] <huats> How are you ?
[20:27] <seb128> hey huats!
[20:27] <huats> safe trip back ?
[20:27] <seb128> huats: got a cold but otherwise good, you?
[20:27] <huats> good too :)
[20:27] <seb128> yes, trip was just fine, I was home for lunch on saturday
[20:27] <huats> great :)
[20:27] <huats> I haven't found you at the karaoke :(
[20:29] <seb128> I was not there
[20:29] <seb128> how was it?
[20:29] <huats> I know !
[20:29] <huats> that is what I meant !
[20:30] <huats> it was nice
[20:30] <huats> I don't even had the chance to say you good bye :(
[20:30] <seb128> how do you know, I could have been there but in the middle of all those people not easy to find for example!
[20:30] <huats> haven't you seen some pics/videos ?
[20:30] <seb128> no, I didn't do too much computer during the weekend
[20:31] <huats> hehe
[20:31] <seb128> and I've been busy catching up on email, etc today
[20:31] <huats> I can imagine :)
[20:31] <seb128> so I didn't look for photos online
[20:31] <seb128> we will see each other at next uds probably so that's ok ;-)
[20:31] <huats> I have made a video just for you, of robert singing ;)
[20:32] <seb128> heh ;-)
[20:32] <huats> (since I knew you weren't there I wanted to you can see your padawan :P)
[20:32] <seb128> lol
[20:32] <huats> I haven't post it yet
[20:32] <huats> I'll let you know once I have
[20:32] <seb128> I had diner with people having ubuntuflu and not wanting to go for party, that was perhaps a mistake since I got a cold now
[20:32] <seb128> ok, cool
[20:33] <huats> héhé
[20:33] <huats> no big deal :)
[20:34] <seb128> btw did you start working on some update?
[20:35] <seb128> I was not sure and did some so sorry if I hijacked yours or something
[20:35] <huats> oh ok
[20:35] <huats> I have started a bit on evince
[20:35] <huats> but not a lot
[20:35] <huats> did you ?
[20:36] <seb128> ok, I did this one
[20:36] <huats> ok
[20:36] <seb128> I looked for opened bugs first but there was none
[20:36] <seb128> we will use bugs for todolists soon I expect
[20:36] <Laney> is there a list?
[20:36] <huats> so just get me another one ?
[20:36] <huats> seb128: ok great
[20:36] <seb128> huats: bug-buddy
[20:36] <huats> ok
[20:36] <seb128> you can merge on debian and update to 2.27
[20:37] <huats> ok
[20:37] <huats> I'll do that
[20:37] <seb128> Laney: no right now and I think we are mostly updatetoday right now
[20:37] <seb128> huats: cool
[20:37] <Laney> k
[20:37] <seb128> Laney: there is quite some merges and sponsoring to do though
[20:37] <Laney> yeah i looked at the queue
[20:38] <Laney> i'll take some when i can
[20:39] <crevette> Laney: about the changelog do you want I strip all uptream changes ?
[20:39] <Laney> no I like having those there
[20:39] <Laney> I think you should explain *your* changes better
[20:39] <crevette> okay
[20:39] <Laney> I used interdiff -z -p1 old_version_of_gnome_bluetooth.diff.gz your_version.diff.gz to get the diff to review btw
[20:39] <Laney> so that's what I'll look at
[20:40] <Laney> you should make everything in there as easy to understand as possible ;)
[20:40] <huats> seb128: actually didrocks already did the merge I think :)
[20:40] <Laney> sponsors queue!
[20:40] <Laney> its pretty epic right now
[20:42] <crevette> :)
[21:34] <SiDi> hey YokoZar
[21:34] <YokoZar> hey SiDi
[21:34] <SiDi> They didnt record your plenary talk but for sure someone recorded you at karaoke :]
[21:35] <SiDi> I have the feeling i went back home too early :(
[21:36] <YokoZar> SiDi: I heard the plenary talks are on a hard disk on a plane at the moment
[21:36] <YokoZar> SiDi: the day that Jorge forgot to hit the record button was either Wednesday or Thursday I think
[21:36] <SiDi> ahah :D nice
[21:37] <SiDi> btw kudos on daring singing alone @ karaoke :D
[21:37] <YokoZar> I did it 3 times ;)
[21:38] <SiDi> I didnt sing at all :P
[21:38] <SiDi> That'll be for the next UDS
[21:47]  * mgunes is about to take the liberty to add a "hundredpapercuts" task for bug #382626
[21:52] <seb128> mgunes: you can probably do that or ping the dxteam about it
[21:53] <seb128> mgunes: btw short bug descriptions are usually appreciated, verbose one might seem nice but are extra work to read and understand for no real win
[21:53] <seb128> ie you could describe this bug in one line rather than one screen
[21:54] <mgunes> seb128, I've done the latter earlier in the day, but there's been no response; the reason I'm going ahead with it this time is that everyone was in agreement at the session.
[21:54] <seb128> I would let those guys bother about those bugs, there is enough bugs to work on already
[21:56] <seb128> lool: do you still need this gnome-keyring arm workaround? (ie building with -O0 to avoid a lock issue)
[21:56] <seb128> that seems to be the only ubuntu diff we still have in karmic
[21:58] <mgunes> seb128, point taken, and I normally try to be concise, but I do think the verbosity is justified here.
[21:58] <seb128> well then do a short description and then an user story if you think it adds a value
[21:58] <seb128> but that could be only me
[21:59] <seb128> I get so many bugs that I tend to skip those have over 6 lines of text
[21:59] <seb128> have -> having
[22:00] <seb128> ie "the notepad icon doesn't represent the action in a clear way" is enough
[22:00] <seb128> I don't think upstream picked this one because they think it's good anyway
[22:01] <seb128> there is probably no good icon for this action, the bug is not really useful without a suggestion of what we should be using instead
[22:01] <mgunes> seb128, I was fully aware that this was known, and would not take any real triage effort, hence the verbosity.
[22:02] <seb128> alright
[22:02] <dobey> yeah, the gtk+ edit icon is pretty pointless
[22:02] <dobey> and "edit" is a bit too abstract to really have any useful metaphor
[22:02] <seb128> I was just saying that you don't need to bother writing a good user story
[22:02] <seb128> usually it makes the submitter spend quite some time on the bug and not benefit the triagers
[22:02] <seb128> but you decide how you spent your efforts ;-)
[22:03] <dobey> i really don't see why we have a button to toggle between editable ui and list of buttons anyway
[22:03] <dobey> it should just always be editable
[22:04] <mgunes> seb128, I don't know if you actually read past the first two sentences, but I would argue that it's somewhat beyond "user story" and closer to "technical substantiation by citation" :)
[22:04] <seb128> because a text entry is confusing to users
[22:04] <dobey> toggling between buttons and a text entry is horrible
[22:04] <seb128> ie they don't know what to enter
[22:04] <seb128> so they want buttons
[22:04] <dobey> i didn't say it should be a GtkEntry always :)
[22:04] <seb128> and powerusers want somewhere they can type the path directly
[22:04] <dobey> well, seth wanted buttons
[22:05] <dobey> because osx had buttons
[22:05] <dobey> and then hackers wanted an entry so they could type stuff
[22:05] <dobey> and now we have the crappy toggle thing
[22:05] <mgunes> it looks to me like a typical case of bypassing a real design decision by providing an "option to switch between things"
[22:05] <seb128> mgunes: no I didn't, see my comment about over 6 lines of description ;-)
[22:05] <mgunes> seb128, I knew that ;)
[22:06] <dobey> mgunes: yes, there was no real design behind it
[22:06] <seb128> in any case the design team is welcome to suggest a better icon or way
[22:07] <seb128> knowing that we want something easy to use for standard users and a way to enter a path directly
[22:07] <mgunes> seb128: I kind of did, but it took, like, two paragraphs :)
[22:07] <dobey> i'm all for having a better gtk-edit icon (because it's used elsewhere as well), and a better way to use the path in the file chooser
[22:09] <dobey> "There's no such thing as a standard user, and if there were, it wouldn't be you."
[22:09] <dobey> :)
[22:10] <seb128> mgunes: right, I read the full bug description now
[22:11] <crevette> Laney: ah, In the meantime, debian had a gnome-bluetooth package so I think we can now just sync it from there
[22:11] <mgunes> seb128, thanks :) See, a toggle button looks essentially out of place, which is where the problem only begins.
[22:11] <seb128> mgunes: usually I tend to describe the bug in the description and then add a comment to suggest changes but everyone has its own workflow I guess ;-)
[22:11] <Laney> crevette: wow thats recent
[22:11] <mgunes> seb128, right, probably a better way.
[22:11] <crevette> yeah
[22:12] <Laney> crevette: you could help maintain it in that team :)
[22:12] <seb128> mgunes: the issue is that making clear icons for those actions is not trivial
[22:12] <Laney> i'm sure some of your packaging could be of use to them
[22:12] <crevette> sure, now I reviewed all patches
[22:12] <crevette> Laney: we have an additional patch for notification that I jus ported
[22:12] <Laney> cool
[22:13] <crevette> and too bad, I find the package after writing a more verbose changelog :/
[22:13] <crevette> Laney: is it acceptable to sync the package and then divert it by adding our patch?
[22:13] <mgunes> seb128, I know, but the ambiguity of the icon is not the only problem. Even with a better icon, the "pressed vs. non-pressed" state of a lonely toggle button is not a good way to convey mode information and lead people to switch modes in this case.
[22:13] <Laney> crevette: that's called a merge
[22:14] <seb128> mgunes: right
[22:14] <mgunes> hence the point the HIG makes about it.
[22:14] <crevette> hmm time to sleep now
[22:15] <crevette> I still have a bug to submit to debian
[22:15] <crevette> good night and thanks so much for help


[00:16] <christo_m> hello, trying to add more workspaces on a fresh install
[00:16] <christo_m> i right cilck and click "desktop pager" settings, and nothing is loading..
[00:16] <holstein> christo_m: of 14.04? 13.10?
[00:16] <christo_m> sorry, 13.10
[00:18] <christo_m> holstein: ??
[00:20] <holstein> christo_m: we are all volunteers here.. patience is appreciated
[00:20] <holstein> christo_m: do you have in your menu... the following..
[00:21] <holstein> preferences - openbox configuraiton manager
[00:21] <holstein> then, under that "desktops".. thats where i find the settings that you seek
[00:21] <christo_m> yup
[00:21] <christo_m> got it
[00:21] <christo_m> can i set up shortcuts to switch between these workspaces also?
[00:21] <holstein> christo_m: try that, and let us konw if it works out
[00:22] <holstein> christo_m: there are shorcuts.. control+alt+ right and left arrow
[00:22] <christo_m> holstein: right, id like to configure my own
[00:22] <christo_m> alt+1,2,3,4 etc
[00:22] <holstein> christo_m: but, anything in the openbox config should work..
[00:22] <christo_m> okay
[00:22] <holstein> christo_m: i grabbed my config from back when i was using crunchbang and really liked them.. and i have changed them a lot along the way
[00:23] <christo_m> it doesnt look like this config has key shortucts anywhere
[00:23] <holstein> christo_m: may not.. but, you can try adding what you like..
[00:24] <christo_m> well how can i do that.
[00:24] <holstein> christo_m: what i did was, i grabbed the confif i liked from crunchbang, and i researched the changes i have made
[00:25] <holstein> http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings is probably a good start
[00:25] <christo_m> holstein: ?
[00:25] <christo_m> im in the gui
[00:25] <christo_m> where is the config located
[00:25] <holstein> Key and mouse bindings are created in your ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml file.
[00:25] <holstein> as per the link i gave..
[00:30] <christo_m> holstein: im assuming i have to restart openbox for the config to read?
[00:30] <christo_m> perfect
[00:31] <holstein> christo_m: i would just logout and back in..
[14:37] <dean_jaser> Hello
[17:15] <zen_monkey> Hi, I've installed Lubuntu 13.10 on an old poweredge 1300 server yesterday from the alternate cd and after rebooting i can't seem to get to the desktop. I get to see the wallpaper and cursor then the screen gets all black (x crash?) and again, and again
[17:16] <zen_monkey> do i have to config anyything? maybe force it to use some old driver or such?
[17:29] <zen_monkey> how can i boot into safe graphics mode?
[17:32] <vn151502510> Not sure about booting, but you can press Ctrl Alt F1 to login without X, I guess so.
[17:34] <zen_monkey> it won't allow me to switch to a tty... seems to like crashing :D
[17:37] <vn151502510> your laptop is really old, cannot run on live cd, right?
[17:40] <zen_monkey> didn't even tried with 13.10, ubuntu 10.04 was the last thing working. And it's a server tower.
[17:42] <vn151502510> uhm, sorry, no experience, waiting for some pros :-(
[17:47] <zen_monkey> thanks anyway
[17:55] <wxl> aw, too bad, and i had the answer
[19:51] <zen_monkey> what can be done when x keeps crashing after plymouth? i have auto login enabled and after the loading dots y just see the wallpaper and cursor
[19:52] <zen_monkey> tried to got to a tty but got dragged back to the previous situation, nomodeset doesn't help
[19:57] <ianorlin> does it work if you turn autologin off?
[19:57] <ianorlin> also is your home encrypted?
[19:58] <zen_monkey> ianorlin, no encryption used, how can i do it from the cli?
[19:58] <Unit193> !xhangs
[19:59] <Unit193> Also, what do the logs say?
[20:01] <zen_monkey> Unit193, it won't allow me to switch to a tty, i'm actually on the recovery root console updating everything just in case
[20:01] <zen_monkey> what logs you mean?
[20:02] <Unit193> zen_monkey: That's strange indeed.  You can do it there as well, or boot into text mode and do it from there.  Logs, ~/.cache/upstart/, `dmesg`, or in /var/log/ (since you are not in the currently broken session, not dmesg.)
[20:05] <zen_monkey> Unit193, ok, as soon as it finishes with the update i'll see what i find there
[20:05] <utusan> I have a gpt-formatted 2nd drive and the 1st part is not showing on places but the 2nd part is. any ideas?
[20:07] <Unit193> utusan: Does it show up?  sudo lsblk -f
[20:07] <utusan> Unit193: it shows up in blkid
[20:08] <utusan> yes it does
[20:10] <Unit193> And the fs type is?
[20:10] <utusan> ext4
[20:10] <utusan> ├─sda1  ext4   gubu2   /
[20:12] <utusan> └─sda2  ext4   gdata2
[20:13] <Unit193> And when you try to mount manually?
[20:14] <utusan> I can manually mount it no problem
[20:17] <utusan> right now it's mounted as root,  let me login to another. brb  Unit193
[20:21] <zen_monkey> Unit193, ready, took the whole /var/log/ folder, any file in particular?
[20:22] <Unit193> zen_monkey: Generally xorg or syslog.
[20:22] <Unit193> utusan: Yeah, that may not show up when mounted and owned by another user.
[20:24] <utusan> Unit193: I'm using another one now but it's still not showing
[20:25] <zen_monkey> Unit193, here's Xorg.0.log.old http://paste.ubuntu.com/7158865/
[20:25] <utusan> ├─sda1  ext4   ubu1    /
[20:25] <utusan> ├─sdb1  ext4   gubu2
[20:26] <Unit193> zen_monkey: Yep, that'd do it.
[20:27] <utusan> Unit193: not sure but looks like all file mgr I used are not showing it. be pcmanfm or dolphin or caja
[20:28] <zen_monkey> Unit193, and just in case... syslog... http://paste.ubuntu.com/7158879/ (gedit warned me of some weird chars upon open)
[20:29] <Unit193> zen_monkey: Weird, I had flgrx issues on trusty (which are fixed now), not saucy.  So I'd recommend removing or rebuilding the fgrlx module.
[20:30] <Unit193> utusan: Normally you'd let the computer mount the thing, otherwise you can use -o user=foo,group=bar  with the mount line.
[20:34] <utusan> Unit193: I'm just curious why it's not showing up under places.  I have several others (msdos, and 1 gpt) and they show up except this one.
[20:42] <utusan> Unit193: thanks anyway
[20:42] <Unit193> Sure, have fun.
[20:50] <zen_monkey> Unit193, what fo you mean with rebuilding it?
[20:50] <Unit193> Using `dkms`
[20:51] <zen_monkey> any chance that you could guide me or point to a tutorial?
[20:54] <Unit193> I don't suppose the manpage would be enough?
[20:55] <zen_monkey> i'll give it a read
[20:55] <zen_monkey> try*
[20:55] <Unit193> Use dkms to remove the current one, then autoinstall (iirc) it again.
[21:09] <zen_monkey> Unit193, as the card in question is waaay too old, wouln't be more usefull to give the open driver a go?
[21:10] <Unit193> That was the other option that I stated, yep.  That'd be the next step, or first step if you prefer.
[21:13] <zen_monkey> well, i'm new to this drivers thing and this one is like from a museum :P
[21:15] <zen_monkey> i've just read that fglrx doesn't support some "old" drivers on the ubuntu documentation
[21:43] <zen_monkey> Unit193, well g2g, i'll be back after some drivers playing
[21:43] <zen_monkey> thanks