[02:33] <m_tthew> good morning, guys
[02:33] <Kamion> sabdfl: it'll predate new artwork of course
[02:33] <m_tthew> Kamion: when I slept it was RCC3, news ones I should test?
[02:34] <m_tthew> new, even
[02:34] <pitti> fabbione: I looked in /etc/X11/xkb, but I can't make out how these modifiers are defined and how the keymaps use them
[02:34] <sabdfl> m_tthew: RC is in process
[02:34] <lamont> sabdfl: I can gain it a couple minutes is all.
[02:34] <fabbione> pitti: you need to ask Denis
[02:34] <lamont> and then only if the build time is >25 min and < 30
[02:34] <fabbione> pitti: i really really have issues with XKB
[02:34] <sivang> jdub_ : nice, this already existing? does it plugin to GAIM ?
[02:34] <sabdfl> lamont: please keep me posted if it bottlenecks anywhere
[02:35] <pitti> fabbione: Denis? any mail address? or IRC?
[02:35] <jdub_> sivang: no, that's a mockup
[02:35] <lamont> we'll do
[02:35] <sabdfl> lamont, jdub_, it shoudl build even faster than that, it's just artwork for _all
[02:35] <lamont> jdub: did you happen to upload it before :30?
[02:35] <fabbione> lamont: can i use adare?
[02:35] <jdub_> lamont: haven't uploaded ephy yet
[02:35] <fabbione> lamont: or it is going to be hitten hard?
[02:35] <sabdfl> (13:30:03) ***jdub_ uploads u-a
[02:35] <lamont> uploads that happen before :30 or :00 start building shortly after :33 or :03
[02:35] <jdub_> just about to submit u-a to the queue
[02:35] <Kamion> sabdfl: oh yeah, it's cool to have it, I just want to know exactly what it is :)
[02:35] <elmo> lamont: don't worry about that, I'll be byhanding stuff
[02:36] <lamont> elmo: awesome.
[02:36] <sabdfl> trojan horse from the dutch
[02:36] <lamont> sabdfl: elmo, OTOH, can make :[03] 0 happen faster...
[02:36] <jdub_> sabdfl: heh, from here "upload" and "submit to queue" are very separate processes ;)
[02:36] <Kamion> plus, somebody needs to test it
[02:36] <jdub_> u-a submitted
[02:36] <sabdfl> elmo: can you steer the new artwork package through the archive process fast as lightning please?
[02:37] <lamont> elmo: tell me when it's in src, and I'll kick a buildd or 3...
[02:37] <thom> aaargh
[02:37] <daniels> jennifer /org/archive.w.h.c/queue/unchecked/*.changes && kelly /org/archive.w.h.c/queue/accepted/*.changes
[02:37] <elmo> daniels: err, no
[02:37] <daniels> or whatever it is
[02:37] <daniels> or just run the cron scripts by hand
[02:38] <daniels> or do other stuff
[02:38] <elmo> sabdfl: yes, am doing
[02:38] <daniels> either way
[02:38] <jdub_> ephy ready to submit to queue
[02:38] <thom> (the make leaves symlinks spattered over the tree that they don't clean up)
[02:38] <thom> (which of course breaks dpkg-source)
[02:39] <elmo> lamont: kick i386?
[02:40] <thom> firefox is in the queue
[02:41] <Kamion> am I waiting for firefox?
[02:42] <jdub_> ephy submitted
[02:43] <elmo> lamont: mozilla-firefox available to the buildds
[02:45] <Kamion> Alex's new live CD is at http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/rcc3/live-i386.iso; testing appreciated
[02:45] <lamont> royal, crested, terranova
[02:46] <elmo> lamont: and epiphany now too
[02:46] <jdub_> heh:
[02:46] <jdub_> gdmflexiserver --monte-carlo-pi
[02:47] <Kamion> I'm getting a three-hour ETA on the live CD; unless anyone can get it faster than I can, I'd suggest we might want to publish it slightly after the rest of the RC
[02:47] <Kamion> I'm not comfortable with releasing something we haven't tested
[02:48] <jdub_> Kamion: that's via rsync?
[02:48] <Kamion> jdub_: I don't have a useful base to start from
[02:48] <Kamion> jdub_: this is from scratch
[02:48] <fabbione> daniels: 099l does NOT build
[02:49] <jdub_> i'll try pulling via rsync
[02:49] <Kamion> lamont: hooray
[02:49] <lamont> Kamion: once I get a good build of a LiveCD, then I need to see what other non-DC bits it's dependant on, and address that..
[02:50] <lamont> _then_ we'll have a LiveCD that I'm comfortable with.
[02:50] <pitti> fabbione: success!
[02:50] <fabbione> pitti: ???
[02:50] <pitti> fabbione: lv3:lwin_switch works for pc105
[02:51] <lamont> meanwhile, I think I'm gonna go torture my buddy in a couple hours... 75 hr eta on RCC1 download. :-(
[02:51] <fabbione> pitti: ok!
[02:51] <daniels> fabbione: ?!?
[02:51] <pitti> carlos: here?
[02:51] <daniels> fabbione: oh
[02:51] <carlos> pitti: hi
[02:51] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, s/VEROBSITY/VERBOSITY/
[02:51] <m_tthew> lamont: at least now you should be able to get coffee
[02:51] <daniels> fabbione: forgot to scp the updated version to rookery, sorry
[02:51] <pitti> carlos: regarding #2327 (macintosh vs. pc105 war)
[02:52] <pitti> carlos: can you please try whether XkbOptions 'lv3:lwin_switch' does any harm to you?
[02:52] <lamont> m_tthew: don't drink the stuff...  Leads to discussions with the coffee shop owner, of course...
[02:52] <pitti> fabbione: I let carlos check that it does not break anything
[02:52] <lamont> since I don't buy any high-margin items.
[02:52] <pitti> carlos: I need it to have kind of an AltGr key (The apple key in this case)
[02:52] <lamont> but he only has 256kbps, buddy has 1.5Mbps atm, or so
[02:52] <carlos> pitti: with macintosh or pc105?
[02:52] <lamont> ENOSHARING :-)
[02:53] <pitti> carlos: pc105
[02:53] <pitti> carlos: fabbione changed the default to pc105, which broke my clever xmodmap call
[02:53] <pitti> carlos: and I currently try to get a working solution for pc105
[02:53] <pitti> carlos: above option works fine for me
[02:53] <carlos> pitti: well, my request was only for Spanish keyboards
[02:53] <pitti> carlos: nevertheless it would be nice if you could test
[02:53] <carlos> sure
[02:54] <pitti> carlos: does the Apple key currently do anything useful for you?
[02:54] <carlos> let me boot the imac, I cannot reboot the powerbook at this moment
[02:54] <carlos> not really
[02:54] <pitti> carlos: I don't have an AltGr (as you have), so I need the Apple key for AltGr
[02:54] <carlos> pitti: did you tested Fn + Alt as AltGR?
[02:54] <pitti> carlos: I think yes, lemme try...
[02:56] <pitti> carlos: it works for some keys like ~, but not for []   {}
[02:56] <carlos> :-?
[02:56] <carlos> pitti: which keymap do you have with xev?
[02:57] <pitti> carlos: you mean keycode?
[02:58] <carlos> pitti: xev says the symbol a key has
[02:58] <carlos> it should say AltGr
[02:58] <pitti> carlos: I don't have AltGr
[02:59] <sabdfl> Kamion: not waiting for firefox
[02:59] <Kamion> ok
[02:59] <sabdfl> Kamion: agreed, we can publish the livecd a bit later
[02:59] <fabbione> pitti: so i can just set lv3 instead of the other
[03:00] <fabbione> ops
[03:00] <fabbione> well yeah
[03:00] <pitti> fabbione: yes
[03:00] <pitti> fabbione: works for me, but let carlos test this, too
[03:00] <sabdfl> jdub_: does X come up with the new background colour instead of black?
[03:00] <pitti> carlos: Apple is "Super_L" in xev without any XkbOptions
[03:00] <jdub_> sabdfl: hrm, don't think that went in
[03:01] <jdub_> daniels: was that in the latest X update?
[03:01] <fabbione> jdub_: no
[03:01] <fabbione> there is nothing in the changelog for that
[03:01] <fabbione> jdub_: what is all about?
[03:01] <carlos> pitti: with that, I get the AltGr also in the Apple key
[03:01] <pitti> carlos: exactly this was the intended change
[03:02] <sabdfl> fabbione: can you make sure that x is starting with a colour other than black?
[03:02] <sabdfl> for the final
[03:02] <jdub_> fabbione: daniel was going to change the stipple to a flat colour (same as the desktop default colour, or grey)
[03:02] <pitti> carlos: because the iBook does not have AltGr
[03:02] <sabdfl> the colour should be the same as the gdm background colour
[03:02] <pitti> carlos: I asked you to test it because you could have used the Apple key for sth different
[03:02] <fabbione> sabdfl: i think so...
[03:02] <pitti> carlos: so does it break anything?
[03:02] <jdub_> sabdfl: which is now the desktop background colour
[03:02] <carlos> pitti: neither my Powerbook or imac keyb, but I have a right Alt that is a AltGr key
[03:02] <fabbione> daniels: do you have a patch for that?
[03:02] <carlos> so now I have three AltGr keys
[03:03] <carlos> pitti: no, it does not breaks anything as far as I know
[03:03] <pitti> carlos: so would it be okay for you to have the option as default?
[03:03] <pitti> carlos: great!
[03:03] <sabdfl> Kamion: we still ok for a UTC 15:00 release?
[03:03] <pitti> fabbione: it does not break for carlos, too
[03:03] <carlos> pitti: well, perhaps it's better if the pc105 change is done only for Spanish keymaps...
[03:03] <fabbione> pitti:     MACOPTS="lv3:lwin_switch"
[03:03] <fabbione> pitti: is that final?
[03:03] <pitti> carlos: No, I don't think so. It is better for me, too, and many other users need it also
[03:03] <Kamion> sabdfl: oh, UTC, phew, not UK time
[03:03] <carlos> so you don't need to do those things, because perhaps the de keyboard and es one are fixed but we could break other ones
[03:03] <pitti> fabbione: works for me and carlos, for pc105 and macintosh
[03:03] <carlos> pitti: ok
[03:04] <Kamion> sabdfl: should be OK as long as all the builds arrive
[03:04] <fabbione> Kamion: you still have a ppc, right?
[03:04] <pitti> fabbione: so that should be fine
[03:04] <carlos> pitti: for pc105, macintosh is not tested here
[03:04] <Kamion> fabbione: yes, typing on one now
[03:04] <Kamion> fabbione: but I cannot give you testing love just at the moment
[03:04] <fabbione> Kamion: ok
[03:04] <fabbione> Kamion: no rush
[03:04] <fabbione> elmo is on ppc ;)
[03:05] <pitti> Kamion: do you need the Apple key for anything particular?
[03:05] <pitti> Kamion: because I propose to make it equivalent to the AltGr key (I don't have the latter)
[03:05] <Kamion> pitti: uh, yes, it's my meta key
[03:05] <pitti> Kamion: we must not do this by default if Apple is used for something
[03:05] <sabdfl> jdub_: #4e3e29 i think
[03:06] <sabdfl> is the colour to be used for "No wallpaper", in the email i sent you
[03:06] <Kamion> Option is Alt_L, Apple key is Meta_L
[03:06] <pitti> Kamion: what's a Meta key? I need the key for typing @ []  {} and so on
[03:06] <jdub_> sabdfl: see latest gdm upload
[03:06] <pitti> Kamion: do you have AltGr?
[03:06] <sabdfl> jdub_: in the archive?
[03:07] <Kamion> pitti: no, I don't have AltGr, unless it's Fn+Alt
[03:07] <jdub_> sabdfl: on its way in; it just sets the gdm background to the desktop default background
[03:07] <pitti> Kamion: Fn+Alt only works partly for me
[03:07] <sabdfl> ok
[03:07] <Kamion> pitti: maybe it should be made to work fully :)
[03:07] <Kamion> pitti: stealing Apple scares the hell out of me
[03:07] <pitti> Kamion: since I need an AltGr/Super_L/whatever key to get []  {} @
[03:07] <sabdfl> hmm... jdub_ the gdm login screen has a different background colour, much lighter than the desktop
[03:08] <elmo> gdm and ephy built for all arches
[03:08] <elmo> just waiting on moz-ff for powerpc/amd64 now
[03:08] <sabdfl> pitti: let's not make any rushed decisions now
[03:08] <Kamion> pitti: just saying not to do it without *extensive* testing, that's all, I don't really have brain-space to think about it just now
[03:08] <sabdfl> elmo: is artwork done?
[03:08] <elmo> sabdfl: yeah
[03:08] <pitti> Why those Apple bastards just forgot to give me an AltGr key???
[03:08] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork |   0.2.11-1 |         warty | all, source
[03:08] <daniels> jdub_: no, I never got a colour code
[03:08] <Kamion> that right?
[03:08] <sabdfl> pitti: let's figure this out tomorrow, after a good nights rest
[03:09] <daniels> fabbione: i don't have a patch, but I can make one
[03:09] <jdub_> sabdfl: yeah. i think the X background should be grey or something neutral, because the gdm and desktop will change.
[03:09] <pitti> fabbione: Seems that the change should be postponed
[03:09] <sabdfl> final changes in this week so it can bake over the weekend
[03:09] <daniels> if you want to risk an X build ...
[03:09] <Kamion> mozilla-firefox | 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu2 |         warty | amd64, powerpc
[03:09] <Kamion> mozilla-firefox | 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 |         warty | i386, source
[03:09] <sabdfl> jdub_: trying to avoid three changes
[03:09] <pitti> sabdfl: okay, if anybody uses the Apple key, we should not change the default
[03:09] <jdub_> sabdfl: and the gdm background should probably be the same.
[03:09] <Kamion> sabdfl: um, sorry, have to wait for the other firefox builds now, can't release with it inconsistent
[03:09] <thom> Kamion: ubuntu3 is what you want, indeed
[03:09] <jdub_> sabdfl: let's change X and gdm.
[03:09] <sabdfl> X background should be the same as gdm
[03:09] <pitti> sabdfl: at least I now know how to fix it easily if users ask :-)
[03:09] <elmo> amd64 is almost finished
[03:10] <daniels> sabdfl: are we talking post-RC here?
[03:10] <fabbione> daniels: just tell me where that stuff is.. i can patch and test it
[03:10] <daniels> sabdfl: or nownownow?
[03:10] <sabdfl> jdub_: i'd like the gdb login screen to look exactly as it does with the fixed image currently
[03:10] <sabdfl> just using components to place the pieces more approrpriately for widescreen etc
[03:10] <Kamion> pitti: FWIW, I use my Meta key for keyboard shortcuts like Meta-F1 to launch a terminal; it tends to collide with fewer things than Alt-F1 would
[03:10] <sabdfl> that would be gdm
[03:10] <sabdfl> daniels: post-rc
[03:10] <thom> elmo: you think firefox is finished, and then it builds a gazillion extensions...
[03:10] <jdub_> sabdfl: the 'background colour' used by gdm is independent of the gdmgreeter theme
[03:11] <sabdfl> oh?
[03:11] <elmo> thom: nah, I could tell it was doing make install :)
[03:11] <sabdfl> oh right it;s the colour underneath gnomesplash
[03:11] <jdub_> i'll explain:
[03:11] <elmo> amd64's built...
[03:11] <pitti> Kamion: we should leave it as it currently is; at least I know what to tell users who have this problem :-)
[03:11] <jdub_> - X starts with stipple (i suggest neutral grey)
[03:11] <pitti> Kamion, carlos: Thanks for testing! Hoary item.
[03:11] <jdub_> - gdm starts with BackgroundColor setting in gdm.conf
[03:11] <sabdfl> jdub_: this is where i want the gdmgreeter colour
[03:11] <Kamion> pitti: ok, sorry I don't mean to scupper l10n or anything, just saying people do use the Meta key
[03:12] <carlos> pitti: ok
[03:12] <jdub_> - if using gdmlogin, that's the background colour
[03:12] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. so we are going pc105 and no options, ok????
[03:12] <sabdfl> so you go from text, to a colour, then the gdm picture elements appear
[03:12] <Kamion> pitti: it could be changed only for layouts where AltGr's needed
[03:12] <pitti> fabbione: just as we have now, yes
[03:12] <jdub_> - if using gdmgreeter, the backgroundColor doesn't matter -> you're using a theme
[03:12] <lamont> amd64 moz build is cleaning up
[03:12] <lamont> (successful, of course)
[03:12] <sabdfl> jdub_: we are using the theme by default, right?
[03:12] <pitti> Kamion: difficult to detect, I think
[03:12] <thom> ppc doesn't have much longer i think
[03:12] <sabdfl> there is a colour display before the theme kicks
[03:12] <sabdfl> in
[03:12] <daniels> fabbione: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/dix/window.c, MakeRootTile()
[03:12] <Kamion> pitti: detect? you'd just hardcode in the keyboard layouts :-)
[03:12] <carlos> Kamion: the funny thing is that the spanish keymap has the AltGR key with Fn+Alt
[03:12] <sabdfl> that colour should match the default theme
[03:13] <jdub_> - once you finish the login process, the gdm background colour now appears with the splash, etc.
[03:13] <sabdfl> fabbione: pitti: please DO NOT make big changes now
[03:13] <jdub_> - when the user's own background setting is loaded, it changes to their background
[03:13] <sabdfl> let's deal with those tomorrow
[03:13] <pitti> sabdfl: we already canceled it :-)
[03:13] <daniels> fabbione: you want to fill back with pixels of a certain colour, which is the gdm colour
[03:13] <rburton> seb128: i'm still seeing gconf notification disconnection -- is this known?
[03:13] <daniels> fabbione: i can take care of it when I wake up if you like -- I'm just falling asleep in my chair here
[03:14] <jdub_> to avoid excessive colour changes, i suggest using the same (neutral) colour to replace the X stipple and the gdm BackgroundColor
[03:14] <seb128> rburton: with what ?
[03:14] <jdub_> though that might be different from the gdmgreeter theme (which will change anyway)
[03:14] <sabdfl> jdub_: yes, and that colour should be the same as the basic colour of the default gdm theme we ship
[03:14] <sabdfl> with the three people
[03:14] <jdub> sabdfl: that's going to change, though.
[03:14] <sabdfl> when?
[03:15] <jdub> when either a) we have a new release or b) when the user changes it
[03:15] <sabdfl> jdub: if the user has changed it, then golden rule applies
[03:15] <sabdfl> otherwise, when we update the theme for next release, we pick colours accordingly
[03:15] <jdub> also, we should take into account the pre-X startup process
[03:15] <sabdfl> yes
[03:15] <jdub> sabdfl: they will never be able to choose the X stipple replacement colour
[03:16] <seb128> rburton: where do you get the problem ?
[03:16] <sabdfl> by default we set it to match our current defaults
[03:16] <sabdfl> if it's a real issue we can improve that part of X
[03:17] <fabbione> daniels: ok. i can wait for the patch tomorrow
[03:17] <elmo> amd64 installed
[03:17] <jdub> so by default, there would be one flat colour from X startup through to gdm theme (which would be more detailed, but same basic colour), then back to flat background until the desktop loads
[03:17] <sabdfl> elmo: of firefox?
[03:17] <elmo> yeah
[03:17] <elmo> powerpc's still building
[03:17] <sabdfl> do we have artwork on all three?
[03:18] <mdz> back
[03:18] <Kamion> artwork's arch: all
[03:18] <sabdfl> morning mdz
[03:18] <mdz> involuntary nap extension
[03:18] <elmo> sabdfl: yes
[03:18] <sabdfl> mdz: deserved, you haven't missed the release
[03:18] <lamont> mozilla-firefox:        00:53:44 (6 entries, sigma 00:43:59)
[03:18] <lamont> that'd be ppc, btw
[03:19] <lamont> amd64,i386 installed
[03:19] <lamont> "and elmo saw that it was good, and He called it a day"
[03:20] <thom> reboot, brb
[03:20] <fabbione> lol
[03:20] <lamont> ppc should be uploading sometime between :35 and :15 or so.. :-(
[03:20] <lamont> fabbione: that was just a hint, I don't _know_ that elmo has declared the beginning of a new day :-)
[03:21] <sabdfl> Kamion: so we should be good for RC then, with new artwork
[03:21] <Kamion> sabdfl: we have to wait for mozilla-firefox/powerpc now unfortunately, since the other two arches have it
[03:21] <lamont> Kamion: how long does the mastering take?
[03:22] <lamont> ISTR < 10 minutes to be sure.
[03:22] <jdub> supposedly my livecd download will be another 40min
[03:22] <Kamion> lamont: about 20 minutes
[03:22] <Kamion> lamont: jigdo has extended it; it's excessively difficult to run it later having disabled that, though
[03:23] <Kamion> (and my bug reports testify that we have people using jigdo already)
[03:23] <daniels> fabbione: k
[03:24] <sabdfl> ah
[03:24] <sabdfl> ok
[03:24] <mdz> what's happening with firefox?
[03:24] <sabdfl> can i do the usual livecd rsync
[03:24] <lamont> Kamion: then it sounds like we could build i386 and amd64 while we wait for ppc, yes?
[03:24] <sabdfl> mdz: updates to local homepage
[03:24] <jdub> now i've got 1:15 to wait for the live cd...
[03:24] <mdz> ah
[03:25] <mdz> we have a new live cd?
[03:25] <sabdfl> mdz: want to crash again, i can call you when we are ready to go
[03:25] <sabdfl> yes
[03:25] <Kamion> lamont: theoretically, but I'd really rather keep the build process as standard as possiblee
[03:25] <lamont> ah, true
[03:25] <Kamion> lamont: now is not the time for human-error-induced screwups
[03:25] <sabdfl> agreed Kamion
[03:25] <Kamion> mdz: alex silently dropped one into a directory I was using for testing and was about to blow away
[03:25] <elmo> Kamion: if not now, when??
[03:25] <elmo> oh, wait, that's what final is for.. I forgot
[03:25] <sabdfl> elmo: soon, soon :-)
[03:25] <mdz> Kamion: er, great
[03:25] <Kamion> elmo: I agree it'd be traditional :)
[03:26] <mdz> and he isn't here to coordinate the release
[03:26] <lamont> once the RC testing is done and dealt with, interested parties are directed to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty.iso, which should (in theory) be a liveCD built in the DC...
[03:26] <Kamion> mdz: I mailed him asking him to show up on IRC so we could interrogate him about what the image actually was :)
[03:26] <lamont> but use a CD-RW - the last one was coaster-quality.
[03:26] <Kamion> mdz: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/rcc3/live-i386.iso
[03:26] <Kamion> (for now)
[03:26] <sabdfl> Kamion: is that rsyncable?
[03:26] <Kamion> sabdfl: yes, in the usual way for cdimage.u.o
[03:27] <mdz> ETA 40 minutes
[03:27] <jdub> just s/http/rsync/ and add cdimage/ before releases
[03:27] <Kamion> (cdimage.ubuntulinux.org::cdimage/releases/warty/rcc3/live-i386.iso
[03:27] <Kamion> )
[03:27] <mdz> rsync won't really help, in terms of saving bits to download, though
[03:27] <m_tthew> I am burning that image now, can report shortly.
[03:27] <mdz> the live CD is one big compressed blob
[03:27] <m_tthew> mdz: it helped some for me download
[03:28] <lamont> the diff between my two livecd images was only 487MB. :-(
[03:28] <jdub> m_tthew: it's not talklikeapirateday ;)
[03:28] <elmo> I think ppc is in the install phase now
[03:28] <lamont> elmo: yep
[03:29] <lamont> about 50 kb of log left to generate
[03:30] <lamont> dupload successfu
[03:30] <lamont> l
[03:30] <elmo> cron.daily's running now
[03:31] <lamont> ah, the joy of the tag-team bitch-slap build dance
[03:31] <Kamion> hi alex, thanks for coming
[03:31] <alextreme> gday
[03:31] <lamont> g'day
[03:31] <Kamion> alextreme: do I gather correctly that /releases/warty/rcc3/live-i386.iso is the new live CD you've produced?
[03:32] <elmo> Updating master mirrors...
[03:32] <alextreme> yup, sorry for throwing it in there, thought it was set up for the RC
[03:32] <elmo> Daily cron scripts successful.
[03:32] <Kamion> alextreme: no problem, I was just a little surprised because I was about to go and blow that directory away and then spotted your image :)
[03:32] <alextreme> it's also on chinstrap, so it wouldn't have been much of an issue :)
[03:32] <Kamion> alextreme: OK, so roughly when was that built?
[03:32] <alextreme> Kamion: yesterday evening
[03:33] <Kamion> just so we know which of the last-minute fixes it has
[03:33] <mdz> so, none of them :-)
[03:33] <lamont> if my build works, then it has everything before the ubuntu-artwork change of jdubs
[03:33] <Kamion> ok, that may be fine for the live CD of course
[03:33] <elmo> and we're all done
[03:33] <Kamion> epiphany-browser | 1.4.4-0ubuntu2 |         warty | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[03:34] <Kamion>        gdm | <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu20 |         warty | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[03:34] <mdz> alextreme: lamont has produced a live CD using the automated process, but it apparently didn't function
[03:34] <Kamion> mozilla-firefox | 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 |         warty | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[03:34] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork |   0.2.11-1 |         warty | all, source
[03:34] <Kamion> good to go?
[03:34] <alextreme> mdz: any clues on what went wrong?
[03:34] <mdz> lamont: ?
[03:35] <fabbione> GO KAMION GO!
[03:35] <fabbione> ;)
 once the RC testing is done and dealt with, interested parties are directed to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty.iso, which should (in theory) be a liveCD built in the DC...
[03:35] <Kamion> alextreme: OK, I think our plan for now is to publish the RC first with the install CD only (since it's in about an hour and a half), but to add the live CD later today once a few people have had time to test it
[03:36] <alextreme> Kamion: sounds good
[03:36] <lamont> alextreme: that was the one without the local warthog packages.
[03:36] <alextreme> lamont: cool, i'll give it a spin lateron
[03:36] <alextreme> ahh, then it probably wouldn't init properly
[03:36] <lamont> the new one as of this morning (and hence with almost all the fixes), is the one above.
[03:36] <m_tthew> alextreme: re, lamont's previous livecd build: http://www.ice-nine.org/matt/tmp/warty-livecd-2004-10-11-lamont1.png
[03:37] <mdz> lamontt: you'll need to build another one anyway, no?
[03:37] <lamont> alextreme: failed to mount root
[03:37] <lamont> fs
[03:37] <lamont> m_tthew: thanks
[03:37] <m_tthew> alextreme: I am too follish to figure out how to make the livecd's grub talk to serial
[03:37] <lamont> btw, cool data transfer technique. :-)
[03:37] <m_tthew> lamont: np
[03:37] <sabdfl> lamont: which is that?
[03:37] <lamont> I found it, resourceful.
[03:37] <alextreme> m_tthew: hehehe
[03:37] <lamont> sabdfl: he took a pic of the display.
[03:38] <lamont> that or he's a _GOD_ with gimp.
[03:38] <mdz> seb128: why a new totem and gnome-applets at the last minute?
[03:38] <m_tthew> heh, moreso the former.
[03:38] <sabdfl> who? which?
[03:38] <sabdfl> for what?
[03:38] <Kamion> 14:37 < m_tthew> alextreme: re, lamont's previous livecd build: http://www.ice-nine.org/matt/tmp/warty-livecd-2004-10-11-lamont1.png
[03:38] <sabdfl> ah
[03:38] <seb128> mdz: the new totem has only 1 change, a crasher fix with the "play CD" entry
[03:38] <rburton> jdub: so my co-worker who is also running ubuntu just said "hmmmm breasts"
[03:39] <jdub> yeah.
[03:39] <rburton> i'm tempted to logout myself
[03:39] <lamont> sabdfl: history: lamont builds a liveCD coaster, m_tthew tests, takes pic, lamont talks to alex, builds another.
[03:39] <seb128> mdz: and the gnome-applets to fix a bug reported by pitti this morning (weather locations broken)
[03:39] <jdub> rburton: i have already heard "wanking warthog"
[03:39] <sabdfl> gotcha
[03:39] <Kamion> jdub: doesn't seem like ideal PR
[03:39] <seb128> mdz: the gnome-applets was a typo fix in an xml file
[03:39] <alextreme> lamont: sounds like sound QA ;)
[03:39] <carlos> jdub: are the icon theme finished?
[03:39] <sabdfl> jdub: where you get your warts is your own business
[03:39] <lamont> alextreme: yep
[03:39] <jdub> carlos: nah, not ready for release unfortunately
[03:40] <jdub> carlos: you can try the icon theme though
[03:40] <jdub> sabdfl: haw haw ;)
[03:40] <jdub> Kamion: so i used to work in a cookery book shop
[03:40] <lamont> us prudish US types will have challenges with some of the artwork..
[03:40] <sabdfl> guys, when it comes to PR, the important this is that they spell our name right
[03:40] <alextreme> Kamion: so there have been a few fixes this morning? could rebuild and reupload this evening
[03:40] <sabdfl> ubuntu
[03:40] <sabdfl> not ubunto
[03:40] <carlos> jdub: ok, It's just I have the WebDAV icon with the gorilla one instead of ubuntu, if it's not finished I will not report it as a bug :-)
[03:40] <sabdfl> or obonto
[03:40] <rburton> that is the luckiest ubuntu logo in the world
[03:40] <jdub> Kamion: only specialist in .au (which has a huge market here) big mail order business
[03:40] <Kamion> alextreme: right; are you subscribed to warty-changes?
[03:41] <alextreme> Kamion: nope
[03:41] <jdub> carlos: that's a bug in the current icons them
[03:41] <jdub> carlos: please report
[03:41] <Kamion> alextreme: it's on lists.ubuntu.com, might be useful for you
[03:41] <jdub> Kamion: there's a book called "the cake bible"
[03:41] <mdz> seb128: we should not make any changes at this point unless they are critical for the release candidate
[03:41] <Kamion> well, the racier the artwork is the fewer people I'll be willing to show it to *shrug*
[03:41] <carlos> jdub: but does it exists with ubuntu?
[03:41] <jdub> Kamion: numerous times it was returned from customs in saudi arabia, etc. :-)
[03:41] <alextreme> Kamion: i'll put the archive in my bookmarks, but am on too many lists already :)
[03:41] <mdz> Kamion, lamont: you guys do realize that it isn't shown by default?
[03:41] <jdub> carlos: the default icon theme atm is the gnome one
[03:41] <sabdfl> Kamion: the default is not racy
[03:41] <seb128> mdz: the crasher was pretty bad, and the second was a typo a << instead of < broken the xml file ...
[03:41] <jdub> carlos: so if you see problems with it, please report them
[03:42] <lamont> alextreme: want me to send you the log from my build so you can see if there's anything obviously coaster-producing in it?
[03:42] <lamont> mdz: understood
[03:42] <tseng> i dont find any of those to be "racy".
[03:42] <alextreme> lamont: yes, please
[03:42] <carlos> jdub: sorry, it's the gnome one, not gorilla
[03:42] <lamont> alextreme: as soon as it finishes..
[03:42] <jdub> sabdfl: i may need to expense a cricket bat. need one to teach lifeless to pronounce ubuntu correctly.
[03:42] <seb128> mdz: BTW I've a fix for data corruption happening sometime with ftp transferts (and possible http) in nautilus ready to upload if we still have time
[03:42] <Kamion> mdz: I thought several people were commenting on the images other than the wallpaper
[03:42] <mdz> seb128: please wait until after the candidate is out
[03:42] <sabdfl> erm... line him up for cloning first, would ya?
[03:42] <Kamion> jdub: teach him to pronounce Debian while you're at it :)
[03:42] <seb128> mdz: ok
[03:43] <mdz> Kamion: oh, haven't seen the gdm stuff yet
[03:43] <sabdfl> and, erh arch
[03:43] <jdub> 02:47  * dalderman loves the nipples on gdm now :-)
[03:43] <mdz> oh, yes I have
[03:43] <mdz> it's not racy
[03:43] <jdub> Kamion: he uses his heritage as an excuse for pronouncing everything incorrectly. gotta beat the sheep out of him.
[03:43] <jdub> mdz: not racy, but it must be a bit chilly.
[03:43] <sabdfl> just don't accidentally beat him into the sheep
[03:43] <sabdfl> no, that was just me taking the photo
[03:43] <Keybuk> jdub: give daniels a beating for mis-pronouncing route while you're at it :)
[03:44] <jdub> sabdfl: he's a bit of a dag already. :)
[03:44] <Kamion> sabdfl: I was trying to come up with a similar pun but decided against it :)
[03:44] <Kamion> I think I concluded that isn't possible
[03:45] <lamont> is there a pic of the gdm screen anywhere?
[03:45] <jdub> Kamion: gconf-editor
[03:45] <Kamion> jdub: ah, ok
[03:45] <sabdfl> Kamion: we should try to make that themable for hoary
[03:45] <sabdfl> jdub: could that be part of a theme?
[03:45] <jdub> it's changeable, but it so doesn't need to be themeable ;)
[03:45] <jdub> that said, it could be defined as part of a metatheme
[03:46] <sabdfl> i guess we do need to be able to remove the people from the theme altogether for some users
[03:46] <jdub> (btw, i left the just-logo splash on the disk, so admins can switch to that instead)
[03:46] <jdub> just a matter of a gconf default change
[03:46] <sabdfl> which is the "login in a new window" package?
[03:47] <jdub> sabdfl: it's part of gdm, but you need to install xnest to see the menu entry
[03:47] <sabdfl> ok
[03:47] <rburton> jdub: how about a version of the splash without the ubuntu logo? ;)
[03:47] <Kamion> hm, didn't seem to work, I wonder if I changed the right key
[03:47] <dalderman> jdub: yeah, the logo is in the wrong place
[03:47] <jdub> rburton: it offends you more than erect nipples?
[03:47] <jdub> oh
[03:47] <jdub> right
[03:47] <jdub> haw haw
[03:47] <jdub> very funny
[03:48] <sabdfl> Kamion: you don't like it that much?
[03:48] <rburton> i'm just being bawdy
[03:48] <dalderman> we have no women in our office at the moment :-(
[03:48] <dalderman> far too much testosterone in here
[03:48] <Kamion> sabdfl: just anticipating raised eyebrows from family
[03:48] <Kamion> it's suggestive rather than there actually being anything wrong with it
[03:48] <jdub> sabdfl: already have two people asking how to switch the logo for their rollouts.
[03:49] <Kamion> hm, is it not /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image then?
[03:49] <rburton> for $MEGACORP its a little suggestive
[03:49] <rburton> put them in suits?
[03:49] <tseng> getsweaaa.com/~tseng/new-gdm.png for whoever asked
[03:49] <jdub> Kamion: that's it
[03:49] <dalderman> most corporate places are full of short fat hairy people, it's just going to make them feel inadequate :-)
[03:50] <Kamion> jdub: uh, ok, it would help if I weren't a moron
[03:51] <Kamion> (yes, works)
[03:52] <sabdfl> so what is the alternative image?
[03:52] <Kamion> the one we had up to yesterday's still installed and available, it seems
[03:52] <mdz> Kamion: are you sure you can't turn that off without risking the stability of the rest of the process?
[03:52] <dalderman> I can arrange a nice half nakes one of rburton if you like :-)
[03:52] <Kamion> mdz: I can, but I am not convinced I can reliably generate the .jigdo and .templates files later
[03:53] <Kamion> for ten minutes I don't think it's worth the complexity of trying to work that out
[03:53] <lamont> so is the male model that much taller than the other two, or am I just misinterpreting the picture?
[03:53] <mdz> I don't mind if we don't have .jigdo for the release candidate
[03:53] <Kamion> too late :-)
[03:54] <sabdfl> lamont: try the calendar desktop :-)
[03:54] <lamont> sabdfl: I'm still _downloading_ stuff..
[03:54] <sabdfl> jdub: how's it look?
[03:54] <jdub> ubuntu is so much pr0n.
[03:54] <jdub> good
[03:55] <Kamion> CDs up
[03:55] <sabdfl> Whooooot!
[03:55] <rburton> jdub: i still get hangs on shutdown...
[03:55] <sabdfl> can i update the web site?
[03:55] <lamont> although I'mstarting to question the term "release candidate"... :-)
[03:55] <mdz> we should, er, test the images first :-)
[03:55] <jdub> IT BUILDS SHIP IT
[03:55] <Kamion> sabdfl: they're only in /daily/current as yet
[03:55] <Kamion> give us an hour to hammer them :)
[03:55] <rburton> jdub: COCKFOSTERS
[03:56] <sabdfl> pants off, hammer them. uh. jdub, don't do that.
[03:56] <lamont> it would be good for corporate america to have the defaults not include any significantly suggestive photos...
[03:56] <jdub> already there.
[03:56] <jdub> i just booted, remember.
[03:56] <mdz> lamont: can we get a live CD build which is in sync with the latest rcc?
[03:56] <lamont> mdz: it's building, hopefully will boot..
[03:57] <mdz> rsyncing daily/current
[03:57] <mdz> hmm, apparently carlos decided today would be a good day to start testing ubuntu :-)
[03:58] <fabbione> mdz: ahahhahaha
[03:58] <fabbione> mdz: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/boom
[03:58] <mdz> fabbione: ???
[03:58] <carlos> mdz: well, I'm testing it since long ago, but I had some bug reports in my queue O:-)
[03:59] <rburton> i wonder how long after release it will be for someone to make a pr0n version of the human theme?
[03:59] <fabbione> boom = X changelog for ubuntu25
[04:00] <pitti> fabbione: first and second + are duplicates :-)
[04:00] <carlos> rburton: a friend asked me if it will be more pr0n with every month update :-P
[04:00] <fabbione> pitti: ops
[04:01] <pitti> fabbione: not really RC, though :-)
[04:01] <mdz> fabbione: we are only fixing RC bugs right now
[04:02] <fabbione> mdz: the frequency stuff is RC
[04:02] <thom> mdz: would you hurt me significantly if i fix the mono stuffs to build on amd64 at some point in the next week?
[04:02] <fabbione> mdz: the XKB stuff too
[04:02] <fabbione> mdz: every fix for the XKB = a slightly longer life for me
[04:02] <mdz> thom: of course not, right after the RC bugs are closed
[04:03] <mdz> fabbione: the last XKB changes imported from Debian broke things
[04:03] <fabbione> mdz: the rest is documentation and absolutely non introsive changes
[04:03] <mdz> we should not be making these changes now
[04:03] <fabbione> mdz: there was only one regression and apparently the fix is clear
[04:04] <thom> mdz: that was kinda what i meant, yes
[04:05] <fabbione> mdz: 2288 is the "regression" and we can argue forever if it is a X problem or a gnome problem
[04:05] <mdz> 2288 is not an RC bug
[04:05] <lamont> alextreme: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/liveCD.out.gz
[04:05] <alextreme> lamont: ta
[04:06] <fabbione> mdz: only because it has been opened as normal
[04:06] <mdz> fabbione: I am looking at the bug and it is not RC
[04:06] <alextreme> lamont: crap, forgot to include the makedev dependancy
[04:07] <lamont> so it's a coaster?
[04:07] <alextreme> yup
[04:07] <lamont> what do I change where?
[04:07] <alextreme> i'll go poke around some more, bound to be more issues
[04:07] <alextreme> lemme check...
[04:07] <lamont> brb
[04:08] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. whatever you think it's fine for me, but seriously.. we will get a hell load of reports for that
[04:08] <fabbione> mdz: no more than what we got in debian
[04:09] <alextreme> lamont: apt-get install makedev on the buildmachine as a workaround, will fix cvs now and make a new package later on
[04:09] <thom> mdz: heh, just got a mid-air collision with you on the homepage bug
[04:10] <mdz> fabbione: I know that you want it to be perfect, but it cannot be. at some point we must leave it alone because we have a release to make
[04:11] <lamont> alextreme: ah, so it just needs to be there on the building machine?
[04:11] <alextreme> lamont: should do the trick
[04:11] <alextreme> lamont: Failed to fetch file:/local/warthog/./Packages.gz  File not found
[04:12] <thom> mdz: can i help test your portmap fixes?
[04:12] <mdz> thom: absolutely
[04:12] <mdz> thom: there's a debdiff attached to #505
[04:12] <lamont> alextreme: does it not like file: urls?
[04:12] <thom> ah, cool
[04:12] <fabbione> mdz: Denis work on XKB is the ONLY good source for fixes in that mess. I know we have a release to make. I also have a responsability towards our users to give them the best. sorry if it sounds retoric (yeah itaglish) but that's the only reason why i push so much on X
[04:13] <alextreme> lamont: guess not, probably due to it apt-getting in the chroot
[04:13] <lamont> that'd do it.
[04:13] <lamont> anything about those 3 packages that makes them not want to be world-fetchable?
[04:13] <T-Bone> l.a.d.u.d.e!
[04:13] <lamont> or some such
[04:14] <fabbione> mdz: which changes do you want me to revert?
[04:14] <mdz> fabbione: let's look at it together tomorrow, after the RC is out
[04:15] <fabbione> mdz: ok
[04:15] <fabbione> mdz: tomorrow i will be 99% moving to the secondary office
[04:15] <fabbione> so i expect to be up and running again around 8 UTC
[04:15] <mdz> fabbione: I do not consider X to have any showstopper bugs at this time
[04:15] <alextreme> lamont: not really, mostly use my local webserver when building and only upload stuff that actually works ;)
[04:16] <fabbione> mdz: the frequency thing is the reason why some people were getting a 640x480 screen and they couldn't go out of it
[04:16] <fabbione> mdz: it's a 3 lines diff -u
[04:16] <thom> first complaint on the users list
[04:16] <thom> about the theme
[04:16] <alextreme> lamont: something odd is happening right at the end, deb-get downloads the udebs but they don't seem to be extracted
[04:16] <mdz> thom: militant?
[04:17] <thom> mdz: "conservative and uncomfortable"
[04:18] <alextreme> lamont: it's a messy script, but running those commands again should give a clue what's happening
[04:18] <Kamion> we did get an unexpectedly large number of compliments about the old theme
[04:19] <mdz> the delta on the current daily is huge
[04:19] <mdz> only just got amd64 down
[04:19] <alextreme> lamont: cd /tmp/libmorphix-u2uloT && /usr/bin/deb-get grub-gfxboot-iso-udeb
[04:20] <alextreme> lamont: the udeb is being downloaded, but doesn't seem to appear in the build directory
[04:20] <lamont> alextreme: it says "Can't open configuration file
[04:20] <alextreme> lamont: /usr/bin/deb-get -r http://www.morphix.org/debian/udeb
[04:20] <thom> mdz: good grief, does that mean i beat you? :-)
[04:21] <Kamion> whoa, you're using udebs?
[04:21] <alextreme> Kamion: don't worry, they won't clash :)
[04:21] <Kamion> ok :)
[04:21] <mdz> hmmm
[04:21] <mdz> i386 was way faster
[04:21] <Kamion> scary
[04:21] <mdz> that is not very encouraging
[04:22] <Kamion> @ERROR: Unknown module 'cdimage'
[04:22] <Kamion> aargh. thom/elmo!
[04:22] <Kamion> archive.ubuntulinux.org apparently round-robins to the machine that's serving releases.u.c
[04:22] <Kamion> which does not know about the 'ubuntu' and 'cdimage' modules
[04:24] <m_tthew> alextreme: this is all deprecated by the new livecd underway, but: http://www.ice-nine.org/matt/ubuntu/warty/livecd/
[04:24] <m_tthew> alextreme: dmesg, lsmod, and lspci output -- I had no mouse (I use a USB logitech)
[04:25] <lamont> m_tthew: the last coaster was short a few device files... :-(
[04:25] <elmo> Kamion: uh
[04:25] <alextreme> m_tthew: was this from the RC version, or from the one from last week?
[04:25] <elmo> we've been pointing people at rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ ??
[04:25] <m_tthew> lamont: d'oh
[04:25] <Kamion> <cjwatson@cairhien ~/ubuntu/cdimage>$ rsync archive.ubuntulinux.org::
[04:25] <Kamion> releases        Ubuntu Release CD Images
[04:25] <Kamion> <cjwatson@cairhien ~/ubuntu/cdimage>$ rsync archive.ubuntulinux.org::
[04:25] <Kamion> ubuntu          Ubuntu Archive
[04:25] <Kamion> cdimage         Ubuntu CD Images
[04:25] <lamont> m_tthew: and was it from me, or the one alex uploaded?
[04:25] <elmo> yeah, I know
[04:25] <Kamion> elmo: that's been in sounder release announcements since ages
[04:25] <m_tthew> alextreme: this is from your build of .. yesterday morning I believe you said? The one Kamion moved out of rc3/
[04:25] <elmo> bah
[04:26] <Kamion> elmo: even discounting cdimage rsyncers, aren't regular archive mirrors using archive.u.o?
[04:26] <Kamion> it'll fail half the time for them, too
[04:26] <elmo> why did we set up cdimage.u.c if we weren't going to use it?
[04:26] <alextreme> m_tthew: scary stuff, thanks for the info
[04:26] <elmo> kamion: http works
[04:26] <Kamion> sure, rsync doesn't though
[04:26] <m_tthew> alextreme: no problem, I will test the one currently being built soon as you guys lemme know it's ready to download.
[04:27] <Kamion> elmo: I'm not sure why we weren't using cdimage in release announcements; I'll make sure to do so from now on
[04:28] <elmo> I've reverted archive.* back to just auckland
[04:28] <alextreme> m_tthew: it probably will take some bugfixing to get right, i'll do a partial rebuild and some testing once i get behind my buildmachine later on
[04:28] <lamont> sabdfl: the one that scares me most about the new themes is explaining it to my daughter's 12-year-old friend's mother, after he installs ubuntu on my recommendation...
[04:29] <sabdfl> lamont: HE won't be upset.
[04:29] <lamont> that, and pictures of people on the desktop are just plain distracting.
[04:29] <lamont> sabdfl: don't care what he thinks.
[04:29] <sabdfl> lamont: they are not the default
[04:29] <Kamion> this is what the Mozilla people would call an "Evangelism bug", I think
[04:29] <lamont> including on the login screen?
[04:29] <sabdfl> ok, let's see where the dust settles
[04:30] <pitti> carlos: I did not find out how to create an HFS+ file system under Linux. Did the previous pmount (which did umask=007) work for the iPod as expected?
[04:30] <Kamion> pitti: 'man hfsplus'
[04:31] <carlos> pitti: I can send you a file with an empty HFS+ file system if you want
[04:31] <pitti> Kamion: it contains a lot of tools, but none to create a filesystem
[04:31] <thom> right, reboot for GREAT JUSTICE
[04:31] <carlos> pitti: I think so, but I need to recheck it to be sure (I did not saw any problem)
[04:31] <pitti> carlos: that'd be nice
[04:31] <elmo> bloody rsync needs vhosting
[04:31] <pitti> carlos: mdz reverted the umask because umask=007 is interpreted totally wrong for hfs
[04:32] <carlos> pitti: btw, did you saw my bugreport about hal not seeing my iPod anymore?
[04:32] <Kamion> pitti: so it doesn't
[04:32] <Kamion> Greek install time
[04:32] <pitti> carlos: I saw the notification mail, but did not yet look at the report
[04:32] <carlos> pitti: ok
[04:32] <carlos> pitti: I have 0.1-6
[04:32] <lamont> alextreme: /usr/sbin/mkminiroot-morphix: line 58: Found: command not found
[04:32] <lamont> le huh?
[04:32] <Kamion> elmo: or make both of them have all three rsync modules, I guess ...
[04:32] <carlos> which version should I test?
[04:33] <elmo> kamion: I can't - cdimage is too big
[04:33] <carlos> (talking about pmount)
[04:33] <Kamion> elmo: ah :-(
[04:34] <Kamion> elmo: I can temporarily shrink it but I'm sure it'd grow again, daily builds being what they are ...
[04:34] <Kamion> I should set up auto-pruning
[04:34] <Keybuk> jdub: is there any particular reason ubuntu-artwork isn't 1.0 or 4.10 ?
[04:34] <pitti> carlos: ugh, that sounds bad. the last intrusive change has been on Sept 27...
[04:34] <Keybuk> likewise ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[04:34] <pitti> carlos: lshal does not contain anything?
[04:34] <lamont> for udeb in $UDEBS
[04:34] <lamont> do
[04:34] <lamont>   `cd /tmp && deb-get $udeb`
[04:34] <lamont> done
[04:34] <elmo> Kamion: unfortunately the free machines we have aren't nearly as well endowed storage wise - you'd have to shrink it to like 35Gb for it to fit
[04:35] <lamont> I, um, think those want to be () ,not ``
[04:35] <jdub> Keybuk: NOW IS NOT THE TIME
[04:35] <jdub> ;)
[04:35] <carlos> pitti: wait, let me finish the check you asked me and then we come back to hal :-)
[04:35] <Kamion> (not to mention quoting "$udeb" thus
[04:35] <Kamion> )
[04:36] <lamont> Kamion: it needs quotes?
[04:36] <Keybuk> jdub: you didn't think of that, did you? :o)
[04:36] <carlos> pitti: which version of pmount should I test?
[04:36] <alextreme> lamont: did you install the recommended packages? :)
[04:36] <pitti> carlos: 0.1-5
[04:36] <jdub> Keybuk: i just stuck with the existing numbering ;)
[04:36] <lamont> alextreme: what are recommends? :-)
[04:36] <Kamion> lamont: shell variable expansions always need quoting unless you have a very good reason not to
[04:36] <lamont> Kamion: true
[04:37] <Kamion> 'for udeb in $UDEBS' is a good reason where you don't want quoting around $UDEBS.
[04:37] <lamont> alextreme: if it has to be there, then it's not a recommends...
[04:37] <Kamion> crap, my i386 CD burnt badly
[04:37] <lamont> alextreme: what package do I need to have there
[04:37] <lamont> ?
[04:37] <alextreme> lamont: yeah yeah, i'm not a DD :)
[04:37] <alextreme> lamont: une momento...
[04:37] <thom> install0r1s1ng kernel
[04:37] <alextreme> lamont: mkminiroot-morphix, morphix-deb-get, morphix-make-iso
[04:37] <thom> copying every bastard thing on the planet on the cd
[04:38] <pitti> carlos: soory to bother you with all this :-)
[04:38] <carlos> pitti: no problem
[04:38] <lamont> ii  mkminiroot-mor 0.1-5          creates a miniroot/initrd for Morphix using
[04:38] <carlos> pitti: ok, pmount /dev/sda3
[04:38] <lamont> ii  morphix-deb-ge 0.2-2          Script to retrieve packages from repositorie
[04:38] <lamont> ii  morphix-make-i 0.2-2          Script to build a Morphix iso from a directo
[04:38] <m_tthew> thom: we are almost sychronized
[04:38] <carlos> any other argument?
[04:38] <pitti> carlos: are the permissions on the device correct?
[04:38] <thom> archiver-copier is really boring
[04:38] <carlos> pitti: /dev/sda3 on /media/sda3 type hfsplus (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[04:38] <pitti> carlos: i. e. not world-readable/writeable
[04:39] <lamont> alextreme: but the `` on that line are causing the shell to attempt to _EXECUTE_ the _OUTPUT_ of the command, after it runs...
[04:39] <pitti> carlos: ls -l /media/sda3
[04:39] <lamont> I can't see how that could be what we want
[04:39] <carlos> pitti: no, they are world readable
[04:39] <pitti> carlos: (only one or two examples)
[04:39] <mdz> i386, powerpc and amd64 underway
[04:39] <carlos> drwxr--r--    1 carlos   carlos          2 2004-08-21 12:06 Calendars
[04:39] <carlos> drwxr--r--    1 carlos   carlos          4 2004-08-21 12:06 Contacts
[04:39] <pitti> carlos: okay, that means that hfsplus does not respect umask.
[04:39] <alextreme> lamont: une momento...
[04:39] <pitti> carlos: that's what I wanted to know, thanks a lot! :-)
[04:40] <jdub> OH BONG
[04:40] <carlos> pitti: no problem, if you want I could "fix" it with my patch (but will be for hoary)
[04:40] <jdub> the fricking bullet points in the on-disk home page are off-disk
[04:40] <Kamion> jdub: ?
[04:40] <Kamion> d'oh
[04:40] <thom> jdub: HFSNW
[04:40] <jdub> thom: W!
[04:40] <pitti> carlos: I was asked for umask=007 in case you store gpg keys and such on your memory stick
[04:40] <lamont> jdub: s/rc/preview2/
[04:41] <jdub> haha
[04:41] <Keybuk> jdub: though I do like the new login screen
[04:41] <carlos> pitti: I don't see the problem with hfs+ then, it does not work for it, that all, right? but it will work with other filesystems
[04:41] <Keybuk> (install just finished)
[04:42] <jdub> Keybuk: yeah, that image works so nicely for it
[04:42] <pitti> carlos: I wanted to know whether it breaks similarly to hfs; for hfs, umask=007 means that all files are 007!
[04:42] <thom> "the hardware clock says the time is now ."
[04:42] <carlos> pitti: hfs or hfs+?
[04:42] <pitti> thom: now is always a good time to be at :-)
[04:43] <pitti> carlos: hfs
[04:43] <carlos> oh, I tested it as hfs+
[04:43] <Kamion> maybe hwclock didn't produce sensible output
[04:43] <carlos> let me recheck it as hfs
[04:43] <pitti> carlos: right, that's what I wanted
[04:43] <thom> Kamion: amd64, no rtc access
[04:43] <pitti> carlos: I can check hfs for myself (hfsutils)
[04:43] <carlos> does pmount accept -t hfs?
[04:43] <Kamion> thom: heh, I thought we'd fixed that bug
[04:43] <thom> (cos the module ain't loaded)
[04:43] <pitti> carlos: no
[04:43] <thom> seems not
[04:43] <carlos> then I cannot test it now
[04:43] <Kamion> oopsie
[04:43] <pitti> carlos: it autodetects the filesystem
[04:44] <carlos> hmm, well, I could "remove" hfsplus driver
[04:44] <thom> i shall get useful dmesg in a bit and file bugses
[04:44] <pitti> carlos: no need, I know everything that I wanted and need
[04:44] <carlos> ok
[04:44] <pitti> carlos: thanks
[04:44] <Kamion> thom: I think I've already got a bug about rtc not being loaded
[04:44] <thom> i won't bother then.
[04:44] <thom> even better
[04:44] <thom> :-)
[04:45] <carlos> pitti: about the hal problem, lshal does not list my ipod anymore
[04:45] <pitti> carlos: do you know whether it worked with any 0.2.98 version?
[04:45] <pitti> carlos: i. e. anytime after September 27?
[04:45] <carlos> pitti: the problem was with latest update
[04:45] <pitti> carlos: should, other people reported it to work
[04:45] <Kamion> amd64 successful
[04:46] <thom> i still think the steel grey watermark background is the best of the lot
[04:46] <mdz> amd64 and powerpc in aptitude, i386 in archive-copier
[04:46] <pitti> carlos: odd, the last change was just removing some digital camera fdi files
[04:46] <lamont> thom: grey is much softer on the eyes than brown
[04:46] <thom> amd64 just about to finish aptitude
[04:46] <pitti> carlos: can you please verify that reverting to ubuntu7 works?
[04:46] <lamont> or so ISTR from the ergo folks
[04:47] <Keybuk> ok, I just logged in and got only a black background
[04:48] <Keybuk> and the desktop background dialog crashes when I open it
[04:48] <thom> registering documentation
[04:48] <carlos> pitti: verified
[04:48] <mdz> Keybuk: nice
[04:48] <carlos> installed the ubuntu7 version and nautilus show me the iPod directory automatically
[04:48] <pitti> carlos: what the hell do the camera fdi files have to do with iPods? *grumble*
[04:49] <carlos> pitti: don't know :-P
[04:49] <mdz> pitti: perhaps the autoreconf broke it
[04:49] <amu> hehe the new theme must be x-rated
[04:49] <pitti> carlos: Can I send you a test deb?
[04:50] <carlos> pitti: by mail or URL, don't think my firewall will let you send it by irc (you could try, of cours)
[04:50] <thom> and we have gdm
[04:50] <thom> rock
[04:50] <pitti> mdz: maybe, but it was autoreconfed before. Well, it's worth a try
[04:50] <mdz> pitti: check the debdiff
[04:51] <pitti> carlos: i386 or powerpc? I only have an i386 deb at the moment
[04:51] <carlos> ppc
[04:51] <pitti> carlos: can you build it yourself?
[04:51] <carlos> I don't have firewire in my pc
[04:51] <carlos> pitti: sure
[04:51] <pitti> carlos: okay, I mail you diff.gz and .dsc
[04:52] <Keybuk> ok... that's *really* weird
[04:52] <carlos> ok
[04:52] <Keybuk> gconf-editor won't even let me look at the background key
[04:53] <mdz> amd64 success
[04:53] <thom> yeah, +1 for amd64 here
[04:54] <pitti> carlos: you have it
[04:55] <Keybuk> ah, fixed it ... was my fault :p
[04:55] <carlos> pitti: don't see the mail
[04:56] <alextreme> lamont: back, did take a quick look at it and it should boot. got some new packages to fix the issues you were having, should hit m.org/debian shortly
[04:56] <thom> Keybuk: ... shock
[04:56] <Keybuk> thom: had checked how the widescreen stuff had been done by opening in vi
[04:56] <Keybuk> there was a stray "i" left in the file
[04:56] <pitti> carlos: I sent it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:57] <carlos> I got it
[04:59] <mdz> powerpc success
[04:59] <mdz> anyone had a successful i386 install yet? mine is registering docs
[05:00] <carlos> mdz: same here, powerpc installation was right, need to test it
[05:00] <m_tthew> mdz: I am in aptitude, watching the Selecting... Unpacking... shuffle
[05:01] <carlos> jdub: the gdm login screen does not shows "Contrasea" (password in spanish)  but "Contrase" the rest of the word is under the input field
[05:01] <mdz> i386 successful
[05:01] <mdz> Kamion: 3 for 3
[05:02] <mdz> pitti: FYI, my card reader works as expected with the RC
[05:02] <pitti> mdz: graet, some good news :-)
[05:02] <pitti> mdz: my devices work well, too
[05:03] <mdz> pitti: sabdfl has a problem with a pen drive which worked previously
[05:03] <pitti> rburton: does your iPod work with the latest hal (i. e. with the RC)
[05:03] <rburton> pitti: it works as long as i don't mount/unmount/eject quickly
[05:03] <pitti> mdz: I created a hal version without any autotool file changes, carlos currently tests it
[05:03] <thom> pitti: my usb card disk works fine
[05:04] <pitti> mdz: I cannot imagine how the autotools stuff should break such things, but who knows...
[05:04] <pitti> thom: thx
[05:04] <Keybuk> pitti: just tried the camera, it takes about 10-15 seconds to appear -- and I get both an "sda1" window+icon rather than anything descriptive, but it works
[05:04] <carlos> pitti: seems to be working now
[05:04] <pitti> Keybuk: sometimes I had that as well - absurdly long delays
[05:04] <carlos> pitti: do you want the .deb fileS?
[05:04] <pitti> carlos: with the new hal?
[05:05] <carlos> pitti: yes
[05:05] <mdz> lamont: how goes the live CD?
[05:05] <pitti> carlos: well, I could put them into my unofficial utopia repository
[05:05] <Keybuk> pitti: looking at syslog it's actually making sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, sde, sdf, sdg, etc. as well
[05:05] <pitti> carlos: I can compile them myself if necessary, though
[05:05] <sabdfl> pitti: my pen drive isn't firing up a window when i plug it in
[05:05] <pitti> Keybuk: so many nodes for one device?
[05:05] <pitti> sabdfl: i386?
[05:05] <sabdfl> pitti: yes
[05:06] <Keybuk> pitti: they're just device nodes, there's only an sda1
[05:06] <mdz> pitti: did you revert the removal of the freedesktop stuff as well?  or patch that into Makefile.in?
[05:06] <Keybuk> CD works
[05:06] <Keybuk> (btw, for hoary, do you have any idea how to get these things to have useful names like "CD-ROM" and "Camera" instead of hdc/sda1?)
[05:06] <pitti> mdz: I reverted the removal of the fdi file that is upstream, because that one does not break cameras
[05:06] <pitti> sabdfl: I can send you a test deb
[05:07] <mdz> Keybuk: yes
[05:07] <pitti> Keybuk: we have
[05:07] <carlos> pitti: http://carlos.pemas.net/ubuntu (if you want the ppc debs)
[05:07] <pitti> Keybuk: g-v-m should keep a label database; pmount already supports it
[05:07] <sabdfl> pitti: url is better than email
[05:07] <pitti> carlos: thanks
[05:08] <pitti> sabdfl: http://www.piware.de/hal_0.2.98-1ubuntu9_i386.deb
[05:08] <Kamion> i386 in aptitude, powerpc in base-config
[05:08] <rburton> pitti: i was going to check that it detected a usb stick here, but my hal is dead. still blocked in open() :)
[05:08] <pitti> rburton: that's the error we already know about. Damn kernel bug...
[05:09] <rburton> pitti: apart from that looking good
[05:09] <rburton> next time i reboot i'll verify the usb stick works here
[05:09] <carlos> pitti: latest official pmount releases works with my pendrive (if you need a confirmation about it)
[05:09] <pitti> carlos, rburton: thanks
[05:10] <sabdfl> pitti: perfect, what's the fix?
[05:11] <pitti> sabdfl: I reverted to upstream's autotool files
[05:11] <pitti> sabdfl: I needed to autoreconf in past releases
[05:11] <sabdfl> ok
[05:11] <pitti> sabdfl: but now that's not really necessary any more
[05:11] <Mithrandir> mdz: I think you're going to hate me.. but 1854 isn't fixed.
[05:12] <mdz> Mithrandir: really?
[05:12] <mdz> I tried many times to reproduce it on your machine and was unable, after the patch
[05:13] <Mithrandir> mdz: try logging in and running apt-get upgrade
[05:13] <mdz> Mithrandir: oh crap
[05:13] <mdz> Mithrandir: I botched the change
[05:13] <pitti> mdz: the newer hal seems to work better, so... (I don't dare to ask :- ))
[05:14] <Mithrandir> sorry I haven't been able to test it before, but I completely forgot to actually verify that it was fixed :/
[05:14] <Kamion> mdz's change fixed the bug I was hitting big-time on little
[05:14] <Kamion> so I thought it was safe ...
[05:15] <mdz> Kamion: the patch, 9ubuntu1 or 9ubuntu2?
[05:15] <mdz> 9ubuntu2 was busticated
[05:15] <Mithrandir> my system has never seen 9ubuntu1.
[05:15] <Kamion> oh
[05:15] <mdz> the patch and 9ubuntu1 are ok
[05:15] <Kamion> 9ubuntu1
[05:15] <mdz> I have 9ubuntu3 with the proper brown-bag fix
[05:15] <Kamion> is 9ubuntu2 showstopperishly broken?
[05:16] <Kamion> or just broken in the same way as -9?
[05:16] <mdz> Kamion: not an RC showstopper
[05:16] <mdz> but a final showstopper, methinks
[05:16] <Kamion> ok
[05:16] <Kamion> yes, agreed
[05:16] <sabdfl> Kamion: is ubuntu-desktop *exactly* the same as germinate?
[05:17] <mdz> sabdfl: it's based on the seed, not germinate output
[05:17] <mdz> (no dependencies)
[05:17] <Kamion> what he said
[05:17] <Kamion> makes more sense that way
[05:17] <Mithrandir> mdz: you're just fixing it now, so no need to reopen, or?
[05:17] <Keybuk> Kamion: which kernel *is* http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/20040801ubuntu19/images/netboot/vmlinuz ?
[05:17] <sabdfl> ok, need to help alex get the livecd package list into parity, what's the best way?
[05:17] <mdz> Mithrandir: I reopened it; I'm not uploading gzip until after the RC
[05:17] <Mithrandir> mdz: ack.
[05:18] <mdz> sabdfl: Kamion can send him germinate output
[05:18] <sabdfl> ok, this is not absolutely totally fixed, right?
[05:18] <sabdfl> sorry
[05:18] <sabdfl> now, not not
[05:18] <sabdfl> once again
[05:18] <sabdfl> this list is now totally fixed for release?
[05:18] <Kamion> Keybuk: look in initrd.list alongside it
[05:19] <Keybuk> Kamion: ah, didn't know about that, handy
[05:19] <mdz> sabdfl: should be
[05:19] <sabdfl> ok
[05:19] <Kamion> Keybuk: you might have to correlate against linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 changelogs
[05:19] <mdz> barring some extremely major "oh shit" moment
[05:19] <sabdfl> Kamion: could you please send alex the exact list when you have a sec?
[05:19] <Kamion> sabdfl: sure, after RC :-)
[05:19] <Kamion> i386 success
[05:19] <Kamion> (in Greek)
[05:20] <mdz> Kamion: this is for the RC live CD
[05:20] <Kamion> crap, ok
[05:20] <mdz> he just needs base + desktop for i386
[05:20] <sabdfl> can i generate that list from a freshly installed box?
[05:20] <Kamion> alextreme: can you just use https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~cjwatson/germinate-warty-output/?
[05:21] <mdz> I wasn't sure if he had access to that
[05:21] <alextreme> Kamion: i'll check, think it should do
[05:21] <mdz> sabdfl: in theory, yes
[05:21] <Kamion> mdz: alex has an account on chinstrap
[05:22] <lamont> someone with bandwidth wanna test that?
[05:22] <mdz> lamont: need a bit more information in order to do that
[05:22] <lamont> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/testing/warty.iso
[05:22] <m_tthew> i386 success
[05:23] <m_tthew> lamont: rsyncing
[05:23] <Kamion> powerpc success
[05:23] <lamont>    551401472 100%    9.01MB/s    0:00:58  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[05:23] <lamont> wrote 542946115 bytes  read 164407 bytes  8291763.69 bytes/sec
[05:23] <lamont> rsync is not a big win. :-(
[05:23] <Kamion> so; shall I publish this on releases.ubuntu.com?
[05:24] <mdz> Kamion: I think we have a winner
[05:24] <Kamion> let's hope the publish script works
[05:25] <mdz> lamont: wasn't the previous live CD significantly larger than this one?
[05:25] <lamont> mdz: dunno
[05:26] <lamont> still in the debug iteration phase... haven't been keeping logs. :-(
[05:26] <mdz> ETA 24m
[05:26] <lamont> although I have to give the nice man some blank CDR's to make up for it....
[05:26] <Kamion> enjoy munching that CAT-5
[05:30] <lamont> actually, he's bringing a couple of burnt CD's to lunch with him...
[05:31] <Kamion> $ publish-release 20041013.1 rc
[05:31] <Kamion> it might even work this time
[05:31] <lamont> not rc1?
[05:31] <Kamion> we've just been calling it "the warty release candidate"
[05:32] <lamont> 'k
[05:33] <mdz> there shall be one release candidate :-)
[05:33] <pitti> One Disc To Rule Them All...
[05:33] <lamont> mdz: and 3 elves, yes.
[05:34] <lamont> I'm glad we didn't use an LoTR naming convention.
[05:36] <mdz> sabdfl, make: do we have a finalized release candidate announcement to send out?
[05:36] <sabdfl> we do
[05:36] <sabdfl> before you send it I need to update the download page
[05:37] <sabdfl> are we blessing the latest live cd as rc?
[05:37] <mdz> unknown
[05:37] <mdz> it has not had a single test yet
[05:37] <Kamion> mirnyy's data transfer to/from little doesn't seem so great
[05:37] <m_tthew> ETA ~25m on the linvecd image for me
[05:37] <jdub> carlos: can you file a bug and attach a screenshot please?
[05:37] <mdz> it is the very first live CD built at the data center, rather than by alex
[05:38] <mdz> carlos: he did already
[05:38] <carlos> jdub: it's already done
[05:38] <pitti> Will releases.u.o be updated as well?
[05:38] <mdz> er
[05:38] <mdz> jdub: he did alreaday
[05:38] <mdz> already
[05:38] <Kamion> RC published, have a nice day
[05:39] <jdub> ah, ta
[05:39] <carlos> mdz: btw, Happy birthday
[05:39] <jdub> (not getting mail atm, letting lappy cool down)
[05:39] <mdz> thanks
[05:39] <Kamion> somebody have a look at releases.ubuntu.com please to make sure it's what y'all want
[05:39] <mdz> looks fine to me
[05:39] <pitti> so, no live cd?
[05:40] <lamont> pitti: not until we test it...
[05:40] <sabdfl> looks perfect
[05:40] <Kamion> superb
[05:40] <pitti> Kamion: congratulations!
[05:40] <Kamion> now to actually fix the bugs in the publishing script that delayed that ...
[05:40] <sabdfl> can i update the web site to point there?
[05:41] <Kamion> yes
[05:45] <lamont> hrm.. what's /dev/sequencer, I wonder?
[05:45] <jdub> midi
[05:45] <lamont> ah
[05:46] <sabdfl> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/rc/
[05:46] <sabdfl> this is the canonical location, right?
[05:47] <sabdfl> kinnding
[05:47] <sabdfl> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[05:50] <sabdfl> ok, page is updated
[05:50] <mdz> thom: here?
[05:51] <sabdfl> i think it's announcement time
[05:51] <Kamion> sabdfl: either's fine, latter probably better
[05:51] <mdz> thom: scp warty.iso potpal:warty-live.iso
[05:51] <mdz> er
[05:51] <sabdfl> simpler's better
[05:51] <mdz> thom: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31505
[05:51] <Kamion> noting that if people look back to the RC announcement after the warty release, the link will no longer point to the RC
[05:51] <lamont> mdz: iso?
[05:52] <mdz> lamont: burning
[05:52] <thom> mdz: *sigh*
[05:52] <Keybuk> thom: ping?
[05:53] <Keybuk> ah, there you are
[05:53] <Keybuk> how did you add thermal and fan to the loadmodules file in mkinitrd ?
[05:53] <mdz> thom: please roll a patch; we'll put this into final
[05:53] <thom> mdz: ok, will get packages built ASAP
[05:53] <mdz> Keybuk: /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[05:53] <sabdfl> i will check the mirrors every hour or two, and point people at them as they get the cd images
[05:54] <Keybuk> mdz: I looked at that, it's empty (apart from comments)
[05:54] <mdz> Keybuk: oh, that
[05:54] <sabdfl> so congratulations, warty team
[05:54] <mdz> Keybuk: he patched mkinitrd
[05:54] <mdz> yes, congratulations
[05:54] <m_tthew> way to go, guys.
[05:54] <mdz> Keybuk: line 961
[05:54] <Keybuk> because I think I just fixed the problem with fans and HP Compaqs
[05:54] <sabdfl> happy birthday mdz!
[05:54] <mdz> thanks
[05:55] <thom> Keybuk: oh?
[05:55] <Keybuk> ahh
[05:55] <Kamion> happy warty^Wbirthday
[05:55] <Keybuk> thom: you have to load 'fan' before 'thermal', otherwise thermal doesn't know there are any fans to control
[05:55] <thom> gack
[05:55] <thom> now you tell me :/
[05:55] <Keybuk> which is why they don't come on :)
[05:55] <Keybuk> thom: this seems to be a recent change; 2.6.7 the order doesn't matter, <IP_ADDRESS> it seems to
[05:56] <Sledge> Kamion: did you get on ok with mkjigsnap now?
[05:56] <Keybuk> (or maybe it always mattered, and acpid's init script happens to load fan before thermal because it's asciibetically less)
[05:57] <Kamion> Sledge: I was instructed to concentrate on the release candidate that we just put out first, and come back to jigdo afterwards; returning to it now
[05:57] <mdz> lamont, alextreme: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0)
[05:57] <fabbione> guys good luck with the release
[05:58] <elmo> sabdfl: w.ul.o/download/ will be fixed before we release, right ?
[05:58] <alextreme> mdz: does the grub menu show up at all?
[05:58] <fabbione> i have to go to the house and do some preparation work for tomorrow :((((
[05:58] <mdz> alextreme: yes
[05:58] <lamont> mdz: well, that's consistant at least.
[05:58] <Kamion> is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>still the right admin contact address?
[05:58] <lamont> m_tthew: did you also get that with alex's new bits?
[05:58] <sabdfl> elmo: what's wrong with it?
[05:58] <alextreme> lamont: the buildlog is online?
[05:58] <lamont> yes
[05:58] <lamont> ~lamont/out.gz
[05:59] <lamont> I think.  wherever the last one was
[05:59] <sabdfl> erm, that's weird, i edited it
[05:59] <m_tthew> lamont: with alex's build from yesterday, I got a boot (no mouse). with the most recent build, I am still waiting (~5m) on the iso download.
[05:59] <Sledge> Kamion: understood
[05:59] <thom> Kamion: yes
[05:59] <mdz> failsafe mode gives the same results
[05:59] <lamont> ok
[05:59] <alextreme> k
[05:59] <elmo> sabdfl: it refers to archive.ubuntu.com rather than releases.ubuntu.com
[05:59] <thom> Keybuk: please file a bug
[05:59] <mdz> alextreme: if a photo of the messages would help, let me know
[05:59] <mdz> but it sounds the same as lamont experienced before
[05:59] <lamont> alextreme: the most recent build has the `` changed into (), but that shouldn't really have mattered.
[05:59] <sabdfl> oh hell there 's this new workflow system
[05:59] <sabdfl> hold on
[05:59] <sabdfl> and thanks :-)
[06:00] <alextreme> mdz: nope, not worth the effort, i'll download and inspect it when i get home
[06:01] <alextreme> lamont: indeed. if you don't mind, i have to run now. i'll mail you anything i can find and pop in here every now and then. the next few days just got slightly more... interesting :)
[06:02] <lamont> alextreme: yes, please.
[06:03] <alextreme> k, bbl
[06:04] <mdz> thom: I have CVS revision numbers for the apache2 fixes, if you don't have them already
[06:04] <mdz> thom: please reference CAN-2004-0885
[06:05] <thom> i have the patches, yeah. ok
[06:05] <thom> just throwing food down my neck
[06:06] <sabdfl> elmo: looks like it could be the apache cache for the download page
[06:06] <mdz> thom: don't choke; it doesn't sound all that serious
[06:06] <sabdfl> thom: can you see if the download page is cached, and that's why it still points in the wrong place?
[06:09] <sabdfl> thom: please ack on the cache front
[06:10] <Kamion> hmmmmm
[06:10] <Kamion> symlinking to .jigdo/.template files with different names is problematic
[06:10] <Kamion> we may have to copy the .jigdo
[06:11] <thom> sabdfl: sorry, was eating as previously stated
[06:11] <thom> sabdfl: yes, it's in apache cache
[06:11] <Kamion> same for the .torrent probably
[06:11] <sabdfl> is that why http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/index_html/ is different to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[06:11] <thom> zope/plone appears not to bother sending Last-mod or etags or anything else remotely useful
[06:12] <thom> sabdfl: yep
[06:12] <sabdfl> can you jig it please
[06:12] <sabdfl> how long will it cache it for?
[06:13] <mdz> where did pitti go?
[06:13] <thom> kicked
[06:14] <sabdfl> thom: i'll need to update that page as more mirrors come on stream
[06:15] <sabdfl> thom: thanks,we're golden for the anouncement
[06:15] <m_tthew> lamont: same cannot mount root failure on the livecd as mdz saw.
[06:15] <thom> sabdfl: 1 hour
[06:15] <sabdfl> thom: ok, great
[06:15] <sabdfl> that's the one that's going to be hammered from the announcement so it needs to be cached
[06:16] <sabdfl> but we also need to be able to kick it when we rev the page
[06:16] <Kamion> I've fixed the .jigdo and .torrent files now, I think
[06:16] <Kamion> can somebody please test the .torrent?
[06:16] <m_tthew> Kamion: yes, I will re-grab .torrents, the ones I have fail
[06:17] <Kamion> Sledge: you might get productive results testing jigit against the release-candidate .jigdo files, actually
[06:17] <sabdfl> neat
[06:17] <Kamion> Sledge: at least just at the moment, since I don't think the archive has changed
[06:17] <sabdfl> "Need to get 0MB of 400MB".
[06:17] <sabdfl> nice round numbers
[06:17] <Kamion> we did that specially
[06:17] <m_tthew> Kamion: rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
[06:18] <Kamion> thom: any clue?
[06:18] <Kamion> maybe torrent.u.c needs to be told about releases.u.c?
[06:18] <thom> hang on
[06:19] <Sledge> Kamion: ok, ta
[06:19] <thom> the path has changed i guess, lemme check
[06:23] <m_tthew> thom: let me know when I should try again
[06:23] <thom> well, i grabbed http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/4.10/rc/warty-install-amd64.iso.torrent and it seems fine
[06:24] <mdz> carlos: here?
[06:24] <carlos> mdz: ye
[06:24] <carlos> yes
[06:24] <mdz> carlos: do you have a copy of the source for martin's hal fix?
[06:24] <carlos> mdz: yes
[06:24] <m_tthew> thom: ok, I was using the torrents from http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[06:24] <mdz> carlos: could you send it to me?
[06:24] <Kamion> Sledge: ok, updated directions sent to admins, hopefully should work
[06:24] <thom> but it likes releases.ubuntu.com not at all
[06:24] <carlos> mdz: I have also ppc packages if you want
[06:24] <mdz> carlos: sure
[06:25] <carlos> mdz: http://carlos.pemas.net/ubuntu
[06:25] <mdz> thanks
[06:25] <carlos> I'm going to upload now the sources
[06:27] <thom> Kamion: releases.u.c isn't regenerated or any madness like that, is it?
[06:28] <carlos> mdz: sources uploaded
[06:28] <Kamion> thom: regenerated in what way?
[06:28] <Kamion> thom: the torrents are regenerated, because the filenames have changed
[06:29] <thom> we need to have those exact torrents on cdimage, or we need to move torrent to mirnyy then
[06:29] <thom> otherwise the tracker can't see those torrents
[06:29] <Kamion> don't get you, they are on cdimage
[06:29] <Kamion> I don't think releases.u.c does any magic on mirnyy
[06:30] <thom> are the torrents on auckland and mirnyy exactly the same?
[06:30] <thom> ok
[06:30] <Kamion> I just did 'btmakemetafile http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce --comment "Ubuntu CD cdimage.ubuntu.com" `pwd`/warty-rc-install-amd64.iso' etc.
[06:30] <Kamion> auckland's torrents will be different
[06:30] <Kamion> because auckland mirrors www/full/ from little whereas mirnyy mirrors www/simple/
[06:31] <thom> ok. the tracker has to have all the torrent files that people are going to request from it on its local filesystem
[06:31] <thom> you're saying we don't have that currently?
[06:32] <Kamion> www/full/releases/warty/rc/ and www/simple/.pool/ have warty-install-*, but www/simple/warty/ has warty-rc-install-*
[06:32] <Kamion> thom: how does it find the torrent files?
[06:32] <Kamion> thom: and where is the tracker?
[06:32] <Sledge> Kamion: ah, difficult to test without .conf files
[06:33] <Sledge> Kamion: I'm grabbing bits down anyway...
[06:33] <thom> Kamion: you give the tracker and allowed dir, and it allows you to use any torrents below that dir
[06:33] <thom> and it runs on auckland
[06:33] <Kamion> thom: so just anything called *.torrent?
[06:33] <Kamion> Sledge: oh, whoops
[06:33] <thom> yeah
[06:33] <Kamion> .conf is kind of a generic name ...
[06:33] <Sledge> Kamion: yup
[06:33] <thom> we're also gonna need to run seeders on mirnny then
[06:34] <thom> or so all the .pool magic on auckland, which might well be saner
[06:34] <thom> s/so/do
[06:34] <Sledge> I can change that to something else if it helps
[06:34] <elmo> thom: we need to get some load off auckland, and using mirnyy for releases is our best and about only hope
[06:34] <Kamion> you could sync all of www/ onto auckland but only publicise www/full/, if it has space to do that
[06:34] <Sledge> .jigit might be easiest
[06:34] <elmo> I don't think we should not do that for the sake of torrent
[06:34] <Kamion> sounds like seeders on mirnyy are a better plan then
[06:34] <elmo> kamion: auckland has gobs of space, mirrny is the space restricted one
[06:35] <Kamion> (p.s. please choose typable hostnames, kthxbye ;))
[06:35] <thom> elmo: sure, not saying we shouldn't use mirnyy, just that the tracker needs to be able tosee the torrents and the files
[06:35] <elmo> why can't we just also sync little::releases to auckland couldn't we?
[06:35] <elmo> speak.  english.  good.  no.  me.
[06:35] <Kamion> elmo: I thought that's what I was suggesting above
[06:35] <thom> elmo: that would be best, i didn't know if there was some reason we hadn't?
[06:36] <Kamion> i.e. syncing all of www/
[06:36] <elmo> learn.  I.  it.  book.  from.  a.
[06:36] <thom> Kamion: be glad that elmo added the 'i'
[06:36] <thom> it's properly mrnyy iirc
[06:36] <Kamion> jesus
[06:36] <Kamion> (baby, crying, etc.)
[06:36] <elmo> thom: no it was just late or early when I set up releases.u.c
[06:36] <elmo> no, it really is 'mirnyy', at least according to the website we use
[06:37] <thom> aww, ok
[06:37] <elmo> thom: btw, that evil Russian name you wanted to use is apparently a joke name that roughly equates to 'New Miami'
[06:37] <thom> right, so lets sync ::releases
[06:37] <thom> elmo: rofl
[06:37] <thom> that's even better then :-)
[06:37] <Mithrandir> gobbing the .torrents off http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/rc/ is good, right?
[06:37] <Kamion> Sledge: I'm mostly thinking that we want to have all of these in one directory, and it's getting confusing as it is with .iso, .iso.torrent, .list, .jigdo, and .templates for each of three architectures
[06:38] <Mithrandir> or should I seed from some other URI?
[06:38] <Kamion> in fact, maybe moving all the jigdo files elsewhere would be marginally more sensible
[06:38] <Sledge> Kamion: ok
[06:38] <Kamion> but AARGH TWISTY DIRECTORY TREE NIGHTMARE
[06:38] <elmo> giggle
[06:38] <Sledge> I wasinitially thinking putting all the jigdo bits under /jigit/
[06:38] <lamont> need more links to ../../../bar/foo/baz
[06:39] <Kamion> Sledge: that makes sense, but jigit still needs to find the .iso doesn't it?
[06:39] <thom> Mithrandir: that'll  be great
[06:39] <Sledge> jigit doesn't ever need the iso, no
[06:40] <Mithrandir> thom: I only have two 100Mbits to seed from, though.
[06:40] <Kamion> thom: bittorrent won't know that cdimage/releases/warty/rc/ and releases/warty/ are the same thing, though, will it?
[06:40] <Kamion> if we're publicising releases/warty/, then better to seed from that when it works
[06:40] <Sledge> Kamion: ditto, other jigdo progs don't care about the iso either
[06:41] <Kamion> Sledge: oh, ok, that's cool
[06:41] <Kamion> I still have no idea where to put them, but it suggests ideas at least
[06:42] <Sledge> *grin*
[06:42] <Kamion> you missed the reorganisation of the cdimage tree
[06:42] <Kamion> we now have two parallel trees with intermixing hardlinks and symlinks
[06:42] <Sledge> eeek!
[06:42] <mdz> is the twisty directory maze holding up the release candidate announcement?
[06:43] <Kamion> I think cdimage/releases/warty/ is going to have to be considered legacy in its current form or I'll go nuts
[06:43] <Kamion> mdz: torrents might be, directory mazes aren't
[06:43] <Sledge> Kamion: does torrent need the iso too?
[06:43] <Kamion> pass
[06:43] <Sledge> ok
[06:43] <Sledge> otherwise I'd lay it out
[06:43] <elmo> what the heck is cdimage/releases/warty ?
[06:43] <Sledge> /cdimage/<foo>
[06:44] <Sledge> /cdimage/<foo>/bt
[06:44] <Kamion> elmo: old layout, predating ::releases
[06:44] <Sledge> /cdimage/<foo>/jigit
[06:44] <Kamion> Sledge: makes sense
[06:44] <Sledge> /cdimage/<foo>/iso>
[06:44] <Sledge> how much effort to make torrent configs?
[06:45] <Kamion> trivial, you run btmakemetafile and it does it
[06:45] <Sledge> ok
[06:45] <Sledge> just wondering if it would help to make one back-end script to do a CD release and DTRT
[06:45] <Sledge> :-P
[06:46] <Kamion> I've got publish-daily and publish-release scripts already which do most of the heavy lifting
[06:46] <lamont> Sledge: I thought Kamion already "did that" [sic] .
[06:46] <Sledge> I guessed you would... :-)
[06:47] <Kamion> mdz: mm, if that was a "go away and stop distracting us", we'll move the detailed CD discussion elsewhere
[06:47] <mdz> Kamion: no, it was an honest question
[06:47] <Kamion> ah, ok
[06:48] <mdz> sabdfl: is the release announcement waiting on anything other than torrents?
[06:50] <mako> mdz: i'd like to look it over right now if it's changed since i left last night
[06:51] <sabdfl> mdz: not from me, i've got my teflon trousers on already :-)
[06:51] <mako> looks great
[06:52] <thom> ok, last minute torrent hacking seems to be turning into a theme
[06:53] <lamont> sabdfl: those are, like, slipperier than silk, yes?
[06:54] <mako> lamont: i hear they're very popular in europe
[06:54] <Keybuk> yay, the HP is a happy laptop once more
[06:56] <Keybuk> thom: you know how a lot of people saw a change from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8 with the fans thing?
[06:56] <jdub> you guys don't really need me any more
[06:56] <jdub> it's 3am and i have meetings tomorrow :|
[06:56] <jdub> i'm going to get some rest ;)
[06:57] <Keybuk> it actually turns out that 2.6.7 didn't have your initrd change in it, and 2.6.8 did :)
[06:59] <sabdfl> mako: and baghdad
[07:00] <silbs> jdub: g'night
[07:01] <thom> ok, tracker seems happy now, just hacking the seeders
[07:03] <thom> m_tthew: please try again now? :-)
[07:03] <m_tthew> thom: I regrabbed torrents from http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/, bt seems happy but seedless (expected, I assume)
[07:04] <thom> should be seeded now, i just this second kicked them off
[07:04] <m_tthew> ok, keeping an eye on them
[07:04] <m_tthew> my i386, which is complete, is sending upstream A-OK
[07:05] <m_tthew> still not seeing any downstream on my incomplete amd64 and ppc torrents
[07:05] <Kamion> thom: awesome, thanks
[07:05] <m_tthew> there comes downstream on ppc
[07:06] <m_tthew> and amd64
[07:06] <m_tthew> all torrents look good from here
[07:07] <thom> thanks for testing
[07:07] <m_tthew> np
[07:09] <mako>  we should change the text http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/download
[07:09] <mako> so it doesn't say preview release
[07:09] <mako> i can do it
[07:10] <mako> ergh. if i can find my pw
[07:11] <sabdfl> do
[07:12] <sabdfl> done
[07:12] <sabdfl> but thom will need to kick the cache for it to populate
[07:12] <sabdfl> mako: so is it good for announcement?
[07:14] <mako> sabdfl: beat me too it
[07:15] <thom> Totals:   2.5 MB/s 105.2 KB/s
[07:15] <thom> wee
[07:15] <mako> sabdfl: i'
[07:15] <mdz> the new artwork has caused text breakage in non-english locales
[07:15] <mako> i am going to add somethign to mention that the torrent file are at the download site
[07:15] <mako> sabdfl: that's not entirely clear from the current text
[07:16] <sabdfl> mako: mind if i do it?
[07:16] <sabdfl> i'm right there
[07:16] <mako> sabdfl: i did it
[07:17] <mako> sorry.. was finished by the time i saw your message
[07:17] <sabdfl> mako: then i think we just collided
[07:18] <mako> if it lets you stomp on my changes, that's fine :)
[07:18] <sabdfl> can you verify you're happy with the current state?
[07:18] <sabdfl> shoudl we say RC instead of Release Candidate?
[07:20] <mako> sabdfl: if we say the former we should have the latter at least once
[07:20] <mako> our version numbering is confusing enough people as it is :)
[07:20] <mako> sabdfl: looks good
[07:21] <mako> my main concern was that the links at that page pointed to the correct place, which they do
[07:22] <mako> this is nice timing.. i'm giving a talk on ubuntu tonight at the a new york lug meeting :)
[07:22] <mako> their beginners group
[07:22] <mako> gnubies
[07:28] <Kamion> mdz: I noticed something being overprinted in Greek
[07:29] <mdz> Kamion: someone reported a bug about Greek as well
[07:29] <Kamion> which?
[07:30] <mdz> in gdm
[07:30] <mdz> never mind
[07:30] <mdz> it was greek in openoffice
[07:30] <mdz> #2337 points out Spanish and French as being broken
[07:31] <mdz> are there photos of me on the website or something?
[07:31] <mdz> someone just made a comment on -users about my lack of hair :-)
[07:33] <mako> mdz: wow. :)
[07:34] <silbs> mdz: maybe they think the guy in the artwork is you
[07:34] <mako> hah!
[07:35] <mdz> sounds like an infection meme; let it spread :-)
[07:35] <mdz> I will neither confirm nor deny
[07:35] <mako> what, you mean the guy in the picture is *not* mdz?
[07:36] <mako> mdz: the uberhacker, the amature body builder, the model
[07:36] <mdz> amateur??
[07:37] <Keybuk> he does look like he can walk up walls, now you mention it ...
[07:37] <sabdfl> mdz: that's what a power nap will do for you
[07:37] <mdz> s/infection/infectious/
[07:37] <mdz> what it will do is cause me not to notice my own typos until several minutes later
[07:38] <sabdfl> look, having met the guy, i can confirm that he's NO ROCKET SCIENTIST
[07:38] <hornbeck> sabdfl, mdz: Off topic but is there anything in the works for a doc mailing list
[07:38] <sabdfl> much prefer having mdz on board
[07:38] <silbs> sabdfl: doesn't matter
[07:39] <silbs> (that he's not a rocket scientist)
[07:39] <sabdfl> hornbeck: enrico, sivang are collaborating now i think, ping them, sounds like a good idea
[07:39] <hornbeck> sabdfl: I have been working with sivang but he is out in the cold also about what is going on
[07:39] <mako> hornbeck: to start, conversations should just be on -devel prefixed with a [doc]  or something
[07:39] <mako> hornbeck: i've been talking to sivang every couple days but have been samped teh last 2 or so
[07:40] <hornbeck> mako: I will start pointing everyone to the devel list
[07:40] <mako> hornbeck: if you guys want some direction or someone to bounce ideas off, lets organize a meeting in a couple days
[07:40] <hornbeck> for some reason I have become the contact person for docs
[07:40] <mako> hornbeck: i'm happy to help however i can :)
[07:40] <hornbeck> mako: A meeting would be great
[07:40] <mako> hornbeck: you stick your neck out, you get noticed :)
[07:41] <hornbeck> I know what I am working on but others need direction
[07:41] <mako> hornbeck: and it might be good to compare
[07:41] <hornbeck> yeah
[07:41] <mako> hornbeck: maybe plan for friday?
[07:41] <hornbeck> mako: what time?
[07:41] <mako> i think i should have dug myself out of the hole i'm in workwise
[07:42] <hornbeck> 1600 UTC?
[07:42] <mako> hornbeck: i think UTC 14-> would work
[07:42] <hornbeck> friday at ubuntu-meeting
[07:42] <mako> hornbeck: sounds good
[07:42] <mako> hornbeck: throw out that message to the -devel
[07:42] <hornbeck> I will put on -devel and ubuntu
[07:42] <hornbeck> mako: 1400 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[07:43] <mdz> I think an ubuntu-doc list could very well be in order
[07:43] <sabdfl> yes, agreed on -devel with [doc]
[07:43] <sabdfl> as discussed in the cc ;-)
[07:43] <mdz> there seems to be a lot of activity picking up
[07:43] <hornbeck> mdz: there are alot of us and we need a place to talk
[07:43] <mdz> -devel is very focused on packaging and release right now, and I appreciate that
[07:43] <hornbeck> mdz: in the past two days I have had about five new request of how to join a doc team that does not exist
[07:44] <sabdfl> hornbeck: please start on -devel though, then setup the list when traffic hits a threshold
[07:44] <mako> as right
[07:44] <hornbeck> sabdfl: I will direct everyone there
[07:44] <sabdfl> oh, ok
[07:44] <mako> hornbeck: that's exciting :)
[07:44] <mdz> yes, there has been a great deal of activity in the wiki as well
[07:44] <hornbeck> mako: yes it is
[07:46] <hornbeck> email is out
[07:49] <hornbeck> hey
[07:49] <sivang> hey john
[07:49] <sivang> whassup?
[07:49] <hornbeck> sivang: doc meeting friday, 1400UTC
[07:49] <sivang> RC already out?
[07:49] <hornbeck> #ubuntu-meeting
[07:49] <sivang> ok, talked with sabdfl?
[07:50] <mako> sivang: yeah, lots of people
[07:50] <hornbeck> :)
[07:50] <mako> sivang: i'll be there as well
[07:50] <sivang> mako : really? what did I miss?
[07:50] <mako> sivang: nothing that reading the mail on -devel won't fix :)
[07:51] <sivang> ok
[07:51] <hornbeck> read the regular list also about the unofficial faq
[07:52] <sivang> hornbeck : already did :)
[07:52] <hornbeck> that guy is mailing me direct now
[07:52] <hornbeck> he is going to help out, I talked him into it
[07:52] <sivang> great
[07:52] <sivang> :)
[07:52] <hornbeck> yeah hes a smart guy
[07:52] <sivang> We need to join forces, not split up
[07:53] <hornbeck> definatly
[07:53] <hornbeck> well I have to go to a job interview
[07:53] <hornbeck> wish me luck
[07:53] <hornbeck> bbl
[07:53] <mako> hornbeck: good luck
[07:57] <sabdfl> hornbeck: break a leg
[07:57] <sivang> mako : who else is going to be on the meeting?
[07:58] <mako> sivang: all of the people who have expressed interested in doc stuff i believe
[07:58] <sivang> mako : ok, sound neat.
[07:58] <sivang> is RC out already?
[07:58] <mako> sivang: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/download
[07:59] <mako> although i don't thinkt he announcement went out
[07:59] <mdz> sabdfl: your turn; now they're speculating that the man in the theme is you
[07:59] <mako> man.. my email is not downloading right now.. i *really* want to read this thread
[07:59] <sivang> mako : thanks - I'll download and start to test.
[08:02] <elmo> LOL
[08:02] <mdz> almost everyone protesting the artwork seems to be doing so on behalf of handwavy third parties
[08:02] <Keybuk> yeah
[08:02] <Keybuk> I've added a bunch of FAQs to the Ubuntu wiki for those that really feel the urge to change them
[08:02] <mdz> I'm against it because...someone else might not like it
[08:03] <elmo> can I change the wiki yet to point to releases?
[08:03] <elmo> I guess so, given the website's been changed
[08:03] <sabdfl> elmo: yes please
[08:04] <sabdfl> i have to step out for an hour, see you guys shortly
[08:04] <sabdfl> has any announcement been sent?
[08:04] <elmo> have we actually got anyone responsible for sending it, or do we all think the other is doing it ? ;-)
[08:06] <Kamion> elmo: well volunteered that man
[08:06] <Mithrandir> have the url for the torrent changed?
[08:06] <mdz> sabdfl: no, I thought you and mako were on that?
[08:06] <Mithrandir> my box is sad, it doesn't upload anything.
[08:08] <sabdfl> mako: please send!
[08:08] <sabdfl> thom: this is a very confidential.... nevermind
[08:08] <mako> i'll send, i'll send
[08:08] <sabdfl> cheers guys, hope i come back to some fireworks :-)
[08:08] <sabdfl> have my phone with me in case
[08:08] <Kamion> enjoy :)
[08:10] <elmo> what's the "correct" form for rsync URLs ?
[08:10] <elmo> rsync://host::module/path/ ?
[08:10] <mdz> elmo: rsync://host/module/path
[08:11] <mdz> :: is the non-URL syntax preferred by Kamion :-)
[08:12] <mako> mdz: i'm sending the announcement to u-a now
[08:12] <mako> i'
[08:12] <mdz> mako: great
[08:13] <mako> m going to double check the url's first
[08:13] <sivang> mako : do send me the log of everything went with docs, I taking off for 30 minutes and will be back
[08:14] <mako> sivang: after the announce goes out :)
[08:14] <sivang> mako : sure no problem.
[08:17] <Kamion> mdz: I'm hopelessly inconsistent about which I use
[08:17] <Kamion> mdz: even I'd avoid rsync://host::module/path/ though :)
[08:22] <elmo> thom: bribe jane
[08:22] <elmo> Dear Jane, please pull large shelf unit down on to Mark.  kthxbye
[08:22] <thom> i'll give that a whirl
[08:23] <mako> the deed is done
[08:23] <mako> RC has been announced
[08:41] <elmo> did anyone else get it back yet?
[08:41] <elmo> oh,nm
[08:46] <mako> who knows how to update/alert distrowatch
[08:46] <mako> we just hit LWN
[08:47] <elmo> those lwn guys are super fast
[08:51] <mako> jdub: if you know how to do distrowatch, please follow up on that one
[08:51] <thom> mdz_: apache2 building currently, will upload first thing tomorrow
[08:51] <mako> mdz_: do you want to fwd the announcment to debian-devel or is not worth it for an RC?
[08:52] <mdz_> mako: I think we're getting increasingly off-topic for -devel
[08:52] <mdz_> I don't want to keep pushing until someone tells us to go away
[08:52] <mdz_> debian-user I think would be fine, though
[08:52] <mako> i think we shoudl announce annoucnments
[08:53] <mako> mdz_: it's a balance.. progency and linspire have been criticized for taking debian's stuff and just doing their own thing
[08:53] <mako> mdz_: certainly, something other than just forwarding announcments would be good as well
[08:54] <mdz_> mako: our RC announcement has essentially nothing to do with Debian development; it's off-topic
[08:54] <mdz_> the announcement of our existence was pertinent, but I don't think that our every announcement is
[08:55] <Kamion> debian-project would be arguable, although even there it's borderline
[08:55] <mako> i don't disagree, that's why i suggested it miht not be worth it
[08:56] <mdz_> we are more interesting to Debian users than Debian developers, which is why I suggested -user
[08:56] <mako> elmo: 20:54 <Md> hi. I think ftp3.linux.it is still listed as an ubuntu CD mirror, please remove it because it's down and the stupid sponsor is not replying to email...
[08:58] <elmo> mako: it's not on the website, mark took them all down until we can get confirmation they've got the RC
[08:58] <elmo> but thanks
[09:04] <amu> is there a need for a good connected german mirror ?
[09:05] <amu> ( Telefonica )
[09:08] <mako> elmo: ?
[09:09] <mdz_> mako: is the announcement sent?
[09:11] <amu> mdz_: i got it ;)
[09:12] <mdz_> I haven't
[09:12] <mdz_> I'd better be subscribed :-P
[09:13] <sabdfl> how's it look?
[09:14] <elmo> mako: ?
[09:15] <elmo> sabdfl: not been slashdotted yet, so not much increase in activity
[09:15] <sabdfl> Kamion: odd, on the test ipw2200 laptop, the wifi was detected and used during install, but it's not there after reboot
[09:15] <sabdfl> fun
[09:16] <sabdfl> the module is loaded though
[09:16] <amu> .... or test the Live CD, you can download it here .... i cant find the liveCD :) *ducks*
[09:16] <sabdfl> dmesg shows:
[09:16] <sabdfl> detected it
[09:17] <sabdfl> then "failed to send TX_POWER command" fives times
[09:17] <sabdfl> then it gave up
[09:23] <mdz_> lamont: live CD?
[09:35] <amu> hmm, if i change my laptop vom ethernet to wlan, i've to setup wlan everytime by hand ...i miss something like laptop-net, which handle ethernet,usb,firewire,vpn,gprs sessions
[09:38] <mdz_> amu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog
[09:45] <amu> mdz_: again, it sounds cool ;) i didnt found encryption, ex. in german governments, encrytion is a must.
[09:46] <mdz> amu: encryption in which applications?
[09:46] <amu> the hole harddisk or partions ....
[09:49] <amu> if they put sensible datas on their notebook and the book gets lost, i must be guaranteed that nobody comes to the datas.  OID: <IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:29] <elmo> :/
[10:31] <mdz> mizar:[/tmp/net-snmp-5.1.2]  grep -i '64.*counter' TODO
[10:31] <mdz> 64-bit counters
[10:31] <elmo> doh
[10:31] <mdz> there is a bunch of code for it, though
[10:31] <mdz> it has a 64-bit counter data type
[10:32] <elmo> why on earth does changing the collection interval mean trashing the rrd?
[10:35] <mdz> it's the nature of rrd
[10:35] <mdz> it's a fixed number of slots
[10:36] <mdz> I suppose you could just make up data
[10:36] <mdz> if it's evenly divisible, duplicate each sample N times or something like that
[10:37] <mdz> I'm sure there are consolidation functions that would break with that approach, though
[10:37] <mdz> but AVERAGE would stay the same
[10:38] <mdz> hmm
[10:41] <mdz> yeah, I think net-snmp might just suck in this respect
[10:41] <mdz> seems to be able to retrieve 64-bit counters from devices which have them
[10:50] <sabdfl> elmo: how's traffic looking?
[10:52] <mdz> slashdot has given us the thumbs-down, it would appear
[10:52] <m_tthew> apparently they find parrot more exciting
[10:52] <mdz> we're on LWN
[10:54] <azeem> mdz: resubmit to /. with 'Ubuntu release candidate with pr0n wallpaper'
[10:55] <m_tthew> no doubt that is how the /. splash will eventually happen
[10:55] <azeem> when exactly do you plan to ship the CDs?
[10:56] <mdz> after the final release
[10:57] <azeem> hmm, ok. It's just I'll be at Systems, Munich next week, so I could put some up at the Debian booth perhaps if they'd arrive till then
[10:57] <mdz> you are free to bring some release candidate CD-Rs with you of course, but we only plan to press CDs for the final release
[10:58] <azeem> sure
[10:58] <Keybuk> I'm not surprised ... we've probably had all our /. coverage for a while now
[10:58] <Keybuk> too many announcements too quickly
[11:09] <sabdfl> patience
[11:09] <sabdfl> is there a submission we can see?
[11:18] <sabdfl> ftp://ftp.aditel.org/pub/isos/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/rc/
[11:18] <sabdfl> is that a mirror of today's release?
[11:20] <Keybuk> according to the MD5SUMS file, yes
[11:21] <sabdfl> 'k
[11:21] <sabdfl> thanks
[11:22] <vorlon> I don't suppose I can bug anyone here with a question about an ISO I downloaded yesterday that I can no longer find a link back to in order to check the md5sum? ;)
[11:24] <Keybuk> vorlon: sure, the answer is "blue and ever-so-slightly salty"
[11:25] <Mithrandir> vorlon: or sqrt(42/sqrt(pi))
[11:25] <Mithrandir> :P
[11:25] <Mithrandir> vorlon: please shoot.
[11:25] <vorlon> Keybuk: damn, guess that means I'll have to redownload.
[11:25] <Mithrandir> vorlon: rsync.
[11:26] <vorlon> from?
[11:26] <Keybuk> vorlon: was it one of http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/ ?
[11:26] <Keybuk> or something from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/ ?
[11:26] <vorlon> Keybuk: it was the main download link posted on ubuntulinux.com, US mirror.
[11:26] <Keybuk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/MD5SUMS
[11:27] <Mithrandir> vorlon: archive.ubuntu.com::cdimage/releases/warty/rc/ somewhere. :)
[11:27] <Keybuk> ^ that's probably the MD5SUMS file you want ... (guessing)
[11:27] <vorlon> Keybuk: ah, n/m, it looks like this was actually a bad burn.
[11:40] <Mithrandir> this is weird -- https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2348 , in normal mozilla. scroll down with the mouse wheel, and it stops approximately 500 pixels from the bottom.
[11:42] <m_tthew> Mithrandir: I thought that was just me
[11:43] <m_tthew> Mithrandir: it has not always been that way, I quasi-suspected CSS magic/crack.
[11:43] <Mithrandir> sounds like a mozilla bug
[11:43] <Mithrandir> since arrow keys work
[11:43] <Mithrandir> and you get stuck at the bottom


[13:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb kanban now call in a sec
[13:30] <gmb> k
[13:30] <bac> rt
[13:44] <bac> gary_poster: i would like to chat briefly when you have a moment
[13:45] <gary_poster> bac, cool
[14:07] <gary_poster> bac, now?
[14:07] <bac> ok
[14:40] <bac> hi benji, lazr-restful question...
[14:41] <bac> benji: i need to mark an exported attribute as deprecated.  i see the 'operation_removed_in_version' marker but don't see anything similar for attributes.
[14:41] <bac> is that a known limitation or is there a work-around?
[14:41] <benji> I don't know one way or the other.  Let me take a look real quick.
[15:09]  * gmb -> bbiab
[16:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Do you have a second to chat about https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/61531?
[16:32] <_mup_> Bug #61531: Forbidden error when trying to mark a bug as private <403> <lp-bugs> <oops> <privacy> <ui> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by gmb> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/61531 >
[16:32] <gary_poster> sure gmb
[16:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Cool.
[16:32] <gary_poster> gmb, lemme read it then I'll be ready.  Skype?
[16:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Righto. Skype sounds good.
[16:32] <gary_poster> k
[17:17] <benji> gary_poster: do you know where the production configs are stored?  I need to look at them to figure out how to write a test for this bug.
[17:17] <gary_poster> benji, yeah, just a sec
[17:19] <gary_poster> benji, uh, this is weird, but bzr info says the branch name is bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/lp-production-configs/
[17:20] <gary_poster> that doesn't look right
[17:20] <gary_poster> give it a try
[17:20] <gary_poster> if it doesn't work, lemme know, and I'll dig into it a bit
[17:21] <benji> cool, thanks
[17:46] <gary_poster> lunch