 hi
 how can i add this in linux ? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8541fece/image_2022_07_17_06_32_16.png
 Is kubuntu good for gaming?
[08:50] <cbreak> Oov: it works
 Is there a way to make it better? (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> Oov: it works)
[09:44] <cbreak> depends on what you're looking for. Getting the nvidia drivers from nvidia instead of the oss ones might help, if you have an nvidia card.
[09:44] <cbreak> getting a new graphics card might help if you have an old one, or none
 Ok
 Hello is there any help regarding the firmware for ryzen CPU
 I really need sound on my device
[12:42] <diogenes_Vx15> Oskar, what firmware?
 I am using kubuntu 22.04 .. i am facing a problem . When I connected the usb webcam and turned on the video camera the usb wireless adapter was automatically disconnected.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 For the sound device and for the cpu. We got new kernel update but they 2 not working (re @IrcsomeBot: <diogenes_Vx15> Oskar, what firmware?)
 Any help? (re @Oov: )
[18:59] <moffa> My touch screen works on the login screen, but once I login it doesn't work anymore.  Any thoughts on why this happens?
[19:17] <user|72> hey does anyone know of any good vpns that are supported on kubuntu?
[19:20] <juabomi> hola
[19:23] <user|51> how do I change default location for Documents, Pictures, etc... ?
[19:35] <oerheks> user|51 change user-dirs.dirs https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/tweaking-ubuntu/change-the-location-of-subfolders-in-your-home-partition
[19:36] <oerheks> user|72, that is technically beyond the scope of this channel, any vpn should work.
 Riseup is good (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|72> hey does anyone know of any good vpns that are supported on kubuntu?)
[20:53] <cbreak> I like wireguard
[21:11] <mybalzitch> wireguard++
 I did not try it
 How is it better than riseup?
[21:33] <tomreyn> wireguard is a software, riseup is a service, that would be comparing apples + oranges
[21:53] <mybalzitch> or a baseball bat to a baseball team
[23:34] <goddard> is wayland in ubuntu 22.04 working?


[05:24] <ailo> hmm, I thought that open week would be IRC only :(
[11:43] <drupin> what i need download for testing
[12:09] <ailo> drupin: 12.10 is released now. What is it that you want to test?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Gee the channel topic in #ubuntustudio is still not changed...
[14:30] <holstein> gee? it wont change its self ;)
[14:31] <smartboyhw> holstein, yes but since scott-work is clearly missing the fun of release so...:(
[14:31] <holstein> smartboyhw: are the links to the new release on the site?
[14:31] <holstein> i cant look right now for some reason
[14:32] <smartboyhw> holstein, it is on ubuntustudio.org
[14:36] <holstein> smartboyhw: that should do it :)
[14:36] <smartboyhw> holstein, :)
[14:36] <holstein> i forgot i could change it
[14:37] <holstein> smartboyhw: the release looks great!
[14:37] <smartboyhw> holstein, :D
[14:38] <holstein> i took my test install last night and sorted out dual head and got lost playing around on it for a hour or so
[14:38] <smartboyhw> holstein, :D
[15:06] <smartboyhw> ailo, you not need to worry about open week on both IRC and On Air since your session is on IRC....


[01:18] <TheMuso> evand: Ok from the discussion I had earlier with Mario, it seems the GUI in only-ubiquity is not dropping to the user because its conditional on environment variables that don't exist in only-ubiquity mode. I'm going to have a dig to see if I can come up with a sane fix.
[04:14] <TheMuso> Argh! Even on the official dailies, Orca is zombifying again!!
[05:52] <evand> ah, SUDO_UID/GID don't exist when running in only-ubiquity mode.  I should've caught that.
[05:52] <evand> I'll work on a fix in a few minutes.
[05:52] <TheMuso> evand: Ok no problem.
[05:52] <evand> or have you already?
[05:53] <TheMuso> Not yet, just attempting to play around with some ideas, but with orca zombifying, even on the official daily, I'm kinda stuck.
[05:54] <evand> yeah, I haven't looked yet but it's odd that it started doing that again.  Nothing really changed there unless I somehow committed old code back to ubiquity-dm.
[05:54] <TheMuso> Yeah it is odd.
[05:55] <TheMuso> The log doesn't show such. I remember trying the daily after you added settings groups to ubiquity-dm, and things worked.
[05:55] <TheMuso> revision 2580
[05:56] <TheMuso> However, changes in the surrounding environment can sometimes be enough to cause it to zombify.
[05:56] <TheMuso> The next daily may be fine.
[05:57] <evand> only another hour and a half until that.
[05:58] <evand> well, two counting build time
[05:58] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[05:59] <evand> is r2580 a typo?  Ubiquity doesn't have that many revisions yet.
[06:01] <TheMuso> he probably
[06:02] <TheMuso> No its correct. I'm looking at ubiquity trunk.
[06:02] <TheMuso> brb
[06:02] <evand> curious
[06:03] <evand> oh whoops, I was on the core-dev branch.
[06:09] <TheMuso> haha
[06:10] <TheMuso> I'm happy to simply grab the fix from bzr and test in a custom iso.
[07:54] <evand> (currently being stalled by my fight with m-a over capb escape, but I'll get the SUDO_* fix in as soon as I'm done here)
[08:40] <TheMuso> no rush
[09:04] <tjaalton> I can't find the installation guide from either doc.u.c or help.u.c...
[09:04] <tjaalton> 7.10 doesn't have the link at all, and the dev version has a broken one
[10:46] <tjaalton> hm, I'm taking a crack at fixing bug 64147.. seems silly that 16:10 screens are not natively supported
[11:40] <LOWER_CASE> Hi, we have problems adding a 7.10 CD. Last two lines are E: Sub-process gpgv returned an error code (2)
[11:40] <LOWER_CASE> W: Signature verification failed for: /cdrom/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg
[11:42] <LOWER_CASE> We already have 7.04 installed, along with latest updates, and we're just trying to 'add' the CD to the repository. Is that what we should be doing?
[14:21] <CIA-25> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2596 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[14:21] <CIA-25> ubiquity: * Remove packages in the restricted section from the installed system if
[14:21] <CIA-25> ubiquity:  apt-setup/restricted is false.
[14:29] <evand> Is modifying something in coreutils two weeks before release considered evil?  install when used with -D, -o and -g creates the directories as the user it's launched with, rather than the user specified in -o.
[14:29] <CIA-25> oem-config: cjwatson * r442 oem-config/ (debian/changelog finish-install.d/07oem-config-user): * Fix ownership of /home/oem/Desktop (LP: #209683).
[14:29] <evand> hahaha
[14:29] <evand> nevermind then :)
[14:29]  * cjwatson laughs. Synchronicity
[14:30] <cjwatson> I just made it do install -d separately
[14:30] <cjwatson> sorry to step on your toes
[14:30] <evand> no worries at all
[14:30] <cjwatson> I'm not sure whether it's a coreutils bug on not
[14:30] <cjwatson> or not
[14:31] <cjwatson> maybe send mail to their bug list and ask?
[14:31] <cjwatson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:31] <evand> yeah, I was wondering the same thing.  Will do.
[14:31] <evand> Thanks
[14:33] <cjwatson> evand: (I'd have left you to it except you unassigned yourself from the bug)
[14:33] <CIA-25> oem-config: cjwatson * r443 oem-config/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[14:33] <CIA-25> oem-config: * Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup 1.21ubuntu5,
[14:33] <CIA-25> oem-config:  tzsetup 1:0.20.
[14:35] <CIA-25> oem-config: cjwatson * r444 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.33
[14:47] <CIA-25> oem-config: cjwatson * r445 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.34
[14:48] <cr3_> One of my pkgsel/include packages is returning unmet dependencies, is there a way I can get more information? I have DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, so I think I'm getting all the possible information in syslog. might it be possible to try to run a command from the busybox shell to try to reinstall the package and perhaps get more verbose output there?
[14:49] <cjwatson> 'chroot /target apt-get install <packages>' should do
[14:49] <evand> cjwatson: before I embark on this task, any objection to me modifying debconf-set-selections to include an option to use the escape capability?  I can get m-a to work with spaces in the key name via escape, but wubi fails on debconf-set-selection as its not using the capability.
[14:49] <cjwatson> spaces in the *key* name?
[14:49] <cr3_> cjwatson: ok, I tried in-target apt-get install <packages> and nothing was output
[14:49] <cjwatson> urk
[14:49] <cjwatson> cr3_: don't use in-target by hand
[14:49] <cjwatson> evand: can we avoid using spaces in question names? I really don't think it's a good idea ...
[14:50] <cr3_> cjwatson: cheers man, I managed to get exactly what I needed to know with that chroot command
[14:50] <evand> cjwatson: I don't think I can remove the Windows username from the keys in question, so my options are to either use spaces or continue to replace them with a colon and have wubi carry that wart.  Would you prefer the latter?
[14:51] <cjwatson> I think it's definitely preferable to replace them with something
[14:51] <evand> ok, works for me.  I'll have Ago make the change and leave m-a as is.
[14:51] <cjwatson>    So, what do we need to store in a variable template? Of course we need a
[14:51] <cjwatson>    name to identify the template. Template names are made up of components
[14:51] <cjwatson>    separated by the character `/' (slash). Each component is limited to
[14:52] <cjwatson>    alphanumerics and `+' `-' `.' (plus, minus, full stop).
[14:52] <cjwatson> /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/debconf_specification.txt.gz
[14:52] <cjwatson> in fact many templates also use _
[14:52] <cjwatson> hmm, I feel a policy bug coming up; but in any case I think spaces are right out :)
[14:52] <evand> I can't use _ as it's a valid username character in Windows iirc.
[14:52] <evand> heh
[14:53] <evand> so you think it should be allowed in the future or explicitly disallowed?
[14:53] <cjwatson> _ should be allowed; space should be disallowed
[14:53] <evand> ah
[15:07] <superm1> evand, did you get a chance to follow up on the copying of the locales to the destination install?
[15:10] <evand> superm1: debian-installer/locale not getting copied when using oem-config?
[15:10] <superm1> yeah
[15:11] <evand> r2594 in ubiquity
[15:12] <superm1> ah great.  I hadn't updated my local bzr in a few days
[15:14] <evand> as always, let me know if you come across any other issues
[15:22] <superm1> well the other thing that came to mind - currently that last step, where is calculates packages to remove - it takes forever on the dvd image.  I'm guessing because so much is preinstalled in that live fs?
[15:24] <evand> that would be my guess as well
[15:26] <superm1> probably not for this 8.04 time frame, but for 8.10, maybe something to allow seeding the exact packages to remove instead of calculating them could be an improvement
[15:27] <evand> hrmm, that sounds fragile.  But I'm sure we can profile that phase of the install for Intrepid
[15:27] <evand> profile and optimize*
[15:27] <superm1> yeah that's what i was thinking
[15:33] <cjwatson> evand: bug 203292 is obsolete now, isn't it?
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203292 in oem-config "Freeze exception: zoommap changes port to oem-config" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203292
[15:34] <evand> indeed, marked as fixed
[15:34] <evand> thanks for catching that
[16:31] <CIA-25> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r585 ubuntu/ (Mirrors.masterlist.ubuntu choose-mirror.c debian/changelog): * Use ports.ubuntu.com for all countries (LP: #176672).
[16:39] <CIA-25> migration-assistant: evand * r74 migration-assistant/ (debian/changelog ma-apply ma-ask):
[16:39] <CIA-25> migration-assistant: * Use + instead of : for a replacement character as it is explicitly
[16:39] <CIA-25> migration-assistant:  allowed by debconf policy.
[16:40] <CIA-25> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r586 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.19ubuntu4
[16:51] <CIA-25> ubiquity: evand * r2597 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[16:51] <CIA-25> ubiquity: * Use + instead of : for a replacement character for m-a as it is
[16:51] <CIA-25> ubiquity:  explicitly allowed by debconf policy.
[16:58] <cr3> at what point in the preseed file could I prepare the pre-pkgsel.d directory?
[16:58] <cr3> I guess preseed/early_command would be appropriate
[17:02] <cjwatson> yes
[17:04] <cr3> after /target/etc/apt/sources.list.apt-setup is moved to /target/etc/apt/sources.list, should I run apt-get update? if so, in-target or chroot if running from a script under pre-pkgsel.d?
[17:05] <cjwatson> pkgsel should take care of that
[17:13] <cr3> would it make sense to wget a udeb in the early_command and install that? could this be cleaner in the long term than either building a script in early_command or wgeting a script?
[17:16] <cjwatson> that can work, but why not use anna/choose_modules=<udeb name>?
[17:16] <cjwatson> oh, well, only if the udeb in question was in the Ubuntu archive
[17:17] <cr3> cjwatson: I could specify it under local0, that wouldn't it. the content of the udeb would then generate a script under pre-pkgsel.d to do the sources.list thing
[17:17] <cr3> err, "that would do it"
[17:17] <cjwatson> not for udebs, no
[17:18] <cjwatson> wget and udpkg -i is probably better
[17:18] <cr3> cjwatson: excellent, thanks, you're saving me lots of trial and error time :)
[17:42] <mario_limonciell> for only-ubiquity and oem-config, I think it might be sensible to disable the minimize action
[17:43] <mario_limonciell> people might get a bit confused if they accidentally minimize it and don't know how to get it back
[17:44] <evand> already done for ubiquity
[17:44] <mario_limonciell> ah good
[18:04] <mario_limonciell> evand, would you be opposed to adding a setterm -blank 0 to ubiquity's init script? setterm isn't available in the initramfs, but it is in the live filesystem
[18:05] <evand> not at all
[18:05] <mario_limonciell> okay i'll add it in
[18:07] <evand> much appreciated
[18:09] <CIA-25> ubiquity: superm1 * r2598 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog init): disable console blanking in Ubiquity init script
[19:11] <CIA-24> oem-config: evand * r446 oem-config/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * Port hiding the minimize button on the main window from Ubiquity.
[21:36] <mariodebian> Hi, I need help preseeding ubiquity
[21:37] <mariodebian> someone alive?
[21:42] <CIA-24> console-setup: cjwatson * r63 ubuntu/ (Keyboard/ckbcomp debian/changelog): * Handle some special cases for the KPDL key (LP: #189529).
[21:43] <cjwatson> mariodebian: about to go and spend time with my wife, but please ask your question and somebody will get back to you when they're around
[21:43] <mariodebian> I ask in mailing list last week
[21:43] <evand> indeed, I'm here
[21:43] <mariodebian> I will aks today again, thanks !!!
[21:44] <mariodebian> evands, can you have some time now?
[21:44] <evand> sure
[21:44] <mariodebian> oks
[21:44] <mariodebian> I don't speak English very well but I try to explain better I can
[21:45] <cjwatson> I don't see a mail from you on ubuntu-installer@
[21:45] <cjwatson> perhaps you asked on some other list
[21:45] <mariodebian> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2008-March/000171.html
[21:46] <mariodebian> better read this mail
[21:48] <evand> ah, I missed that
[21:48] <evand> replying now
[21:48] <mariodebian> thanks ;)
[21:55] <mariodebian> another questin appending this mail
[21:55] <mariodebian> i have preseed some values but some text on ubiquity appears in English and some in Spanish
[21:56] <mariodebian> for example summary text is in english and some parted strings
[21:56] <mariodebian> ubiquity.template is full translated
[22:03] <mario_limonciell> evand, perusing components/console-setup.py, it appears the proper way to preseed a keyboard is not console-setup/layout and console-setup/variant, but rather console-setup/layoutcode and console-setup/variantcode correct?
[22:10] <cr3> I'm installing packages from pkgsel/include and getting the error: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[22:11] <cr3> the reason is that I created the file /target/etc/apt/sources.list.apt-setup containing my own repository which is somehow not authenticated
[22:11] <cr3> I guess I need to find a way to authenticate it by retrieving the key file on my site
[22:14] <evand> mario_limonciell: correct, but I'm investigating why preseeding those isn't working for ubiquity.
[22:15] <mario_limonciell> oh it's not working :S.  I wasn't sure :)
[22:24] <evand> mariodebian: I have to run out for a few hours, I'll finish responding to this when I get back
[22:24] <mariodebian> oks thanks
[22:51] <cjwatson> cr3: there's apt-setup/local0/key or some such
[22:51] <cjwatson> was documented in the installation guide last I checked
[22:52] <cr3> cjwatson: yeah, that's what I used to do, but now I seem to need to run apt-key because the repository is defined in sources.list.apt-setup by a pre-pkgsel.d script. no worries, I should have confirmation shortly if it worked.
[23:17] <cr3> cjwatson: worked like a charm!


[09:36] <moimeme> Hello, I'm trying to install lxle1204-32 on a laptop (HP compaq nc6000). vmlinuz and initrd.gz will load, then I get a few screenfull of information. Finally the process stops with the message " FATAL: Error inserting vesafb (/lib/modules/3.2.0-30-generic/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko): No such device "
[09:36] <moimeme> Next is the (initramfs) prompt.
[09:36] <moimeme> Can anybody help? Please.
[09:37] <leoquant> vesa= X
[09:38] <leoquant> trying a good google for ya
[09:39] <leoquant> no device is, strange Kafka
[09:39] <moimeme> I've tried google, maybe you'll have better luck. Thanks
[09:39] <leoquant> did you had a kernel update?
[09:40] <moimeme> I downloaded lxle1204-32.iso and just tried to install on an old laptop.
[09:41] <leoquant> hich video card?
[09:41] <moimeme> I'll have to check, give me a few minutes.
[09:41] <leoquant> w
[09:51] <moimeme> lspci -v says " Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 "
[09:53] <moimeme> leoquant does this help?
[10:12] <moimeme> Hello, I'm trying to install lxle1204-32 on a laptop (HP compaq nc6000). vmlinuz and initrd.gz will load, then I get a few screenfull of information. Finally the process stops with the message " FATAL: Error inserting vesafb (/lib/modules/3.2.0-30-generic/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko): No such device "
[10:12] <moimeme> Next is the (initramfs) prompt.
[10:12] <moimeme> Can anybody help? Please.
[13:42] <SP33D> 15:39:58 - SP33D: Can some one help me i search for a solution to lower the used disk inodes so i need to put many files in one file that is mount able
[13:42] <SP33D> 15:40:14 - SP33D: it is enought when it is mount able read only but read and write would be realy well
[13:49] <SP33D> found a solution with dd thx a lot


[06:16] <whtn12> Bnjr
[08:27] <pavlushka> elacheche: you there?
[08:30] <pavlushka> https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntu.tn/
[08:30] <u-la-la> [ Ubuntu Tunisia (ubuntu-tn) Public Group | Facebook ] - INVALID_LOGIN
[08:31] <elacheche> Morning pavlushka
[08:31] <pavlushka> Morning elacheche :)
[08:31] <pavlushka> elacheche: you said you will lift the ban on praisethemoon in the morning :)
[08:32] <elacheche> pavlushka: Yep, I just joined my desktop..
[08:33] <pavlushka> sure :)
[08:33] <pavlushka> .kiss Dro
[08:33]  * u-la-la flirts with Dro
[08:34] <Dro> lool
[08:34] <whtn12> Wa
[08:34] <Dro> morning
[08:34] <elacheche> Mornign folks
[08:34] <pavlushka> morning everyone :)
[08:34] <Dro> .kiss pavlushka
[08:34]  * u-la-la flirts with pavlushka
[08:35] <Dro> .slap elacheche
[08:35]  * u-la-la annihilates elacheche
[08:35] <Dro> pavlushka, its an eggdrop ?
[08:36] <Dro> I have not deal with IRC bots since a long time.. wondering if they still using TCL.. :D ufff IRC childhood memory haha :D
[08:36] <Dro> memories* :$
[08:37] <pavlushka> Dro: nope, its jenni bot, Sean B. Palmer, http://inamidst.com/sbp/ forked by Michael Yanovich
[08:37] <u-la-la> [ sbp.io ] - http://inamidst.com
[08:38] <pavlushka> used the source https://github.com/myano/jenni
[08:38] <Dro> uhmmm ok
[08:38] <u-la-la> [ GitHub - myano/jenni: jenni is a python IRC bot maintained and developed by Michael Yanovich. This project was created by Sean B. Palmer. ] - https://github.com
[08:39] <Dro> i was enjoying coding eggdrop TCLs :(
[08:39] <Dro> want to go back to that time.. but unfortunately IRC is dead now
[08:40] <pavlushka> u-la-la has an annoying plugin, please tell me if you dont want it.
[08:41] <pavlushka> next you'll see what that plugin does.
[08:41] <pavlushka> :D
[08:41] <u-la-la> pavlushka: :D
[08:41] <pavlushka> \o/
[08:44] <Dro> lol
[08:44] <u-la-la> Dro: lol
[08:44] <Dro> omg!
[08:44] <Dro> :P
[08:44] <u-la-la> Dro: :P
[08:44] <Dro> :)
[08:44] <Dro> (:
[08:44] <Dro> dirty bot :P
[08:48] <pavlushka> :)
[09:05] <nzoueidi> Morning o/
[09:14] <davlefou> Café but pour tous le monde?
[09:21] <pavlushka> nzoueidi: o/
[09:23] <nzoueidi> How are you pavlushka and hows u-la-la
[09:24] <nzoueidi> davlefou: tu sais que j'adore le cafe :D
[09:24] <pavlushka> nzoueidi: better, both of us :)
[09:24] <nzoueidi> Cool! :D
[10:33] <praisethemoon> .. sorry ^^
[10:33] <praisethemoon> i'll make sure to close hexchat next time i put my work pc to sleep :3
[10:36] <elacheche> :)
[10:36] <praisethemoon> so elacheche, how is it going?
[10:37] <elacheche> praisethemoon: You config in HEXChat don't log you in using your passwrd.. Change that
[10:37] <elacheche> I'm tired, need more coffee
[10:40] <praisethemoon> elacheche, how that prevent autojoins?
[10:41] <elacheche> It will not prevent that.. It'll just prevent everyone in here seeing your work static ip
[10:42] <praisethemoon> xD alright
[10:42] <praisethemoon> when you kick me, do I autojoin?
[10:42] <praisethemoon> i mean does kick instead of ban wrks?
[10:43] <elacheche> nop
[10:43] <elacheche> that's why I banned you
[10:45] <praisethemoon> xD
[10:45] <u-la-la> praisethemoon: XD
[10:45] <praisethemoon> STHAP LAUGHING :(
[10:45] <praisethemoon> i cry everytome
[11:06] <davlefou> http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00030891.html mon clavier!!! elacheche
[11:14] <elacheche> davlefou: Un jour je vais acheter ça https://pic.op.tn/xXzpwXc4/O4IMpQUk?t
[12:16] <davlefou> elacheche, coût combien?
[12:24] <elacheche> davlefou: 140$
[12:30] <davlefou> Chère... qu'as t il de si fantastique?
[12:32] <elacheche> c'est un clavier méchanique :)
[12:32] <davlefou> C'est a dire?
[12:34] <elacheche> Si tu trouve un clavier normal avec 61 ou 62 bouton fait moi signe :D
[12:34] <elacheche> davlefou: regarde https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvEu-H8CJis
[12:34] <u-la-la> [ Clavier MÉCANIQUE Vs Clavier Basique - [COMPARATIF et TEST de Rapidité] - YouTube ] - INVALID_LOGIN
[12:35] <davlefou> la vidéo ne passe pas!
[12:35] <elacheche> actualise :)
[12:41] <davlefou> Un clavier à l'ancienne!
[12:42] <elacheche> Ce video est mieux davlefou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu49jWYYT8Y
[12:42] <u-la-la> [ Quel switch mécanique choisir ?


[01:28] <hengha> Hi, in my servlet I want to output different content based on the post variable, say, if action='fetch' got post, it will use PrintWriter out.println("a"); if there is NO action post var but var='list' it should out.println('upload'); I put this if else in my doPost method : String action=request.getParameter('action'); String upload=request.getParameter('var'); if ( "fetch" == action ) { out.println("do Fetch"); } else { doSomethingMethod(var);}; HOW
[01:28] <hengha> fetch',  doSomethingMethod(var) still got executed ( since var is not defined, so I got ExceptionError ), any idea ?
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <robilad> moin dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> heya robilad - how are you doing? :)
[08:21] <robilad> lots of tunnels on the way up to hamburg :/
[08:21] <robilad> so my connection is spotty
[08:22] <dholbach> I hope other than that you're fine :)
[08:27] <robilad1> oh yeah, all's well, i am thinking about jumping over to berlin for fri/sat linux tag
[08:28] <robilad1> there is apparently a cheap bus service between berlin & hamburg, so I figure I should check that one out
[08:28] <dholbach> nice
[08:28]  * dholbach is going to be around too
[08:33] <robilad1> dholbach: do you know mjung, by chance?
[08:33] <dholbach> robilad1: Marko?
[08:34] <robilad1> yeah, you do ;)
[08:34] <dholbach> :-)
[08:45] <dholbach> robilad1: what about Marko?
[08:48] <robilad1> dholbach: he worked at the same place i did for a while, and studied at the same uni, so we've known each other for a while.
[08:48] <robilad1> and since he's now one of the linuxtag guys, i figured you'd know him ;)
[08:48] <dholbach> ah great :)
[17:04] <WaxyFresh> Can anyone please help me with setting up java in opera,i have suns java and the java plugin installed and my path set up ?correctly? but still no luck


[02:12] <maxb> loggerhead go boom :-(
[03:56] <letas> hello everyone
[03:57] <MTeck> hi
[03:57] <letas> I am new to the python language and I thought that the best way to learn it would be to develop an application and have it where everyone could see it and help, so my question is, what features would you like to have in a backup application!?
[03:58] <letas> I am thinking on developing an initial release locally and then upload it to launchpad
[03:58] <MTeck> letas: probably not the best place to ask about that.. You could however start by looking into what is already out there and start with the features you like
[03:58] <letas> oh sorry :(
[03:59] <letas> thank you though!!!
[05:49] <DBO> launchpad be giving 500 errors...
[06:19] <MTeck> DBO: no it's not
[06:19] <DBO> yeah I keep getting internal server error, I guess 500 isn't actually in there
[06:19] <DBO> guess I dont know where thats coming from
[06:19] <DBO> erm
[06:19] <DBO> where that came from
[06:19] <DBO> it was in my brain :)
[06:20] <wgrant> DBO: bazaar.launchpad.net?
[06:20] <DBO> yeah
[06:20] <wgrant> It seems a little dead, and has been for a few hours.
[06:20] <wgrant> Everything else is OK, though.
[06:21] <DBO> yeah but thats the bit I need :P
[06:22] <MTeck> DBO: stop complaining - it works and you know it
[06:23] <DBO> MTeck, the voices in my head tell me to inform you that it indeed does not work a lot of the time
[06:24] <MTeck> DBO: Take drugs to silence them
[06:24] <DBO> MTeck, but you are one of the voices in my head, and I *know* how to silence you
[08:38] <lantash> QUESTION: How can I mark a series as translatable? Until now only the trunk series of LottaNZB could be translated (https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/lottanzb), but I'd like to add the 0.5 series. 0.6 aka trunk will introduce some major string changes and I'd like to give all translators the possibility to complete the 0.5 translation so that we can have a 0.5.1 maintenance release.
[08:57] <lantash> Manually editing the URL made it possible to request an import for the 0.5 series. Wonder if the 0.5 series will show up in the "list of translatable series" after the successful import. There's either no way of reaching this page (https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/lottanzb/0.5) or it's not obvious enough.
[10:04] <spm> maxb: is bounced, should be right from here
[10:04] <wgrant> spm: Much better; thanks.
[10:17] <spm> my bouncing services here is done; back to enjoy the last few hours of fathers day :-)
[10:17] <Ryan52> I asked this in the wrong channel apparently:
[10:17] <Ryan52> 02:14 < Ryan52> I have access to private bug reports (I'm in the bug control group), however I don't get notification via email of new private bugs on packages I'm subscribed. is there any way I can make this  happen?
[10:17] <Ryan52> 02:14 < Ryan52> I understand that email is insecure, but maybe it could send a gpg encrypted message?
[10:17] <Ryan52> 02:14 < Ryan52> or it could just send a mail with "oh look, there's a new bug here: http://..."
[10:19] <wgrant> Ryan52: New private bugs are deliberately not sent to bug contacts, as anybody can be subscribed.
[10:19] <wgrant> Ryan52: New security bugs are by design only sent to ubuntu-security.
[10:19] <wgrant> New apport bugs only the apport retracer.
[10:19] <wgrant> This is unlikely to change.
[10:20] <Ryan52> "New private bugs are deliberately not sent to bug contacts, as anybody can be subscribed."
[10:20] <Ryan52> huh?
[10:20] <Ryan52> I'm subscribed to the pakcage it's reported against.
[10:20] <spm> wgrant: just reading my email - see what you meant on Fri(?) about personages spamming bug reports created by losas. o_O
[10:20] <wgrant> Ryan52: Anybody can subscribe to a package's bugs.
[10:20] <Ryan52> yes, I know.
[10:20] <Ryan52> but I have access to the special bugs.
[10:20] <Ryan52> and I'm subscribed.
[10:20] <wgrant> spm: Yes. He didn't get suspended quite as quickly as I'd hoped.
[10:20] <Ryan52> so it should tell me.
[10:20] <Ryan52> it shouldn't tell people who don't have access but are subscribed.
[10:21] <wgrant> Ryan52: bugcontrol can't see all private bugs.
[10:21] <wgrant> Ryan52: Are you sure you didn't get subscribed after the last notification was sent?
[10:22] <wgrant> Ahh. I think I see what's happening.
[10:22] <spm> wgrant: heh. well "he
[10:22] <wgrant> That's a good question.
[10:22] <wgrant> Probably worth filing a bug about.
[10:22] <spm>  " is zapped now; will cleanup tomorrow. later.
[10:23] <wgrant> Because implicit subscriptions perhaps should apply to private bugs if the subscriber is already subscribed through a team.
[10:23] <wgrant> Hmmmm.
[10:23] <wgrant> Difficult.
[10:23] <wgrant> spm: Great.
[10:23] <Ryan52> wgrant: okay, what should I report the bug against?
[10:23] <wgrant> Ryan52: 'malone'
[10:25] <shakaran> I have a problem with bzr diverged-branches. My local brach have 11 revision. I add a new commit (this is revision 12), but on lauchpad, the bot commit 3 revisions after 11, then the launchpad bzr have 14 revisions, and I get a problem with diverged-branch, How to fix it?
[10:25] <shakaran> If I do bzr merge, says: bzr: ERROR: No location specified or remembered
[10:27] <Ryan52> wgrant: bug created, #425127 if you care, thanks!
[10:29] <wgrant> Bug #425127
[12:27] <BUGabundo> I made a boo boo
[12:27] <BUGabundo> can I rename launchpad.net/mustard-android to launchpad.net/mustard-statusnet??
[12:28] <wgrant> BUGabundo: You need to ask an admin to do that. Ask a question on the launchpad project.
[12:29] <BUGabundo> thanks wgrant
[12:29] <BUGabundo> wgrant: at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/ ?
[12:29] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Precisely.
[12:31] <BUGabundo> thanks once again
[13:30] <lantash1> QUESTION: How can I mark a series as translatable? Until now only the trunk series of LottaNZB could be translated (https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/lottanzb), but I'd like to add the 0.5 series. 0.6 aka trunk will introduce some major string changes and I'd like to give all translators the possibility to complete the 0.5 translation so that we can have a 0.5.1 maintenance release.
[13:49] <Bushman> hi guys
[13:49] <Bushman> can someone tell me where can i find THE LINE mentioned in:
[13:49] <Bushman> Step 6: Now copy the second line from the apt sources.list entries section of the PPA overview page and paste it in just as you did in steps 4 and 5.
[13:50] <Bushman> of https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware
[13:51] <Bushman> since on the https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA there's not mention bout the sources.list
[13:51] <Bushman> while it's linked as "PPA overview"
[13:52] <\u03b5>  /etc/apt/sources.list?
[13:52] <\u03b5> ah
[13:52] <wgrant> Bushman: How did you find that page?
[13:53] <\u03b5> can you link to a PPA overview?
[13:59] <BUGabundo> hey again
[13:59] <BUGabundo> how do I create a Master Project that will have sub projects and code inside them?
[13:59] <BUGabundo> wgrant: ^^ ;)
[14:00] <wgrant> BUGabundo: That's a project group. A project group has nothing except for projects inside it, and can only be created by a Launchpad administrator.
[14:00] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:00] <BUGabundo> so I need to open a new Question
[14:00] <BUGabundo> :)
[14:01] <BUGabundo> I need to have the project created 1st, right?
[14:01] <BUGabundo> tell me so :)
[14:01] <wgrant> BUGabundo: A project cannot be converted into a project group.
[14:01] <wgrant> BUGabundo: so do not create a project with the name of your intended project group.
[14:01] <BUGabundo> tooooo llaaaatteeee
[14:01] <BUGabundo> :(
[14:01] <BUGabundo> damn it
[14:02] <BUGabundo> I should know this things :(
[14:02] <BUGabundo> I'm a dumbass
[14:02] <BUGabundo> thanks once again
[14:02] <BUGabundo> need to go now
[14:05] <Bushman> wgrant: how? hmm... it was on one of the project's page as the way of installing stuff
[14:09] <Bushman> \u03b5: in /etc/apt/sources.list there's no "launchpad" section, and the only entry is what i've added in step 5
[14:10] <\u03b5> [14:54] <\u03b5>: can you link to a PPA overview?
[14:10] <wgrant> Bushman: That's not really the right page to link to.
[14:11] <wgrant> Bushman: They should link to a page of the form 'https://launchpad.net/~<USERNAME>/+archive/<PPANAME>'
[14:11] <Bushman> then what is it doing there AT ALL?
[14:11] <wgrant> Bushman: That has the sources.list line in question, and better instructions.
[14:11] <wgrant> Bushman: Because those instructions make sense if you know about the PPA page.
[14:12] <wgrant> Which you presumably do if you're accessing those instructions, unless somebody else has gone and linked there without giving context.
[14:12] <Bushman> damn, i gtg, bbl and then i'll finnish it, thenks for the tips anyway
[14:12] <Bushman> wgrant: yea, i have the project main page, thanks
[14:12] <Bushman> later
[14:12]  * Bushman is gone
[16:43] <Pretto> hey, i need help, can someone take a look at this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/266176/
[16:47] <\u03b5> maybe that's a private branch?
[16:47] <\u03b5> hm
[16:48] <\u03b5> does it only happen with that branch? maybe your launchpad-id is wrong
[16:52] <Pretto> \u03b5, found the problem, lost my ssh keys when upgraded ti karmic
[16:52] <Pretto> \u03b5, thank you
[16:52] <\u03b5> yw
[16:55] <Pretto> \u03b5, by the way, I am a member of ubuntu brazilian council, that is administrator of a team called ubuntubrazilian, for some reason a member of the council has no privileges to change the team data
[16:55] <Pretto> \u03b5, is that a bug?
[16:55] <\u03b5> I'm no LP admin, sorry
[16:57] <Pretto> \u03b5, ok, thank you anyway
[16:57] <\u03b5> Pretto, https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation
[17:00] <Pretto> \u03b5, thank you, i will talk to Ursinha  ;)
[17:07] <sebp> I uploaded a .pot file to get imported about 3 hours ago and it still isn't imported. shouldn't it be imported manually by now?
[22:33] <lifeless> thumper: I need help
[22:36] <thumper> lifeless: so do I
[22:36] <lifeless> thumper: \o/
[23:03] <p_masho> is there a wiki with a launchpad project ? I cant see the links
[23:04] <thumper> p_masho: not yet
[23:04] <thumper> p_masho: it is one of the most frequently asked for things
[23:04] <thumper> and is likely to be comming at some stage
[23:04] <thumper> can't commit to a time frame yet though
[23:04]  * p_masho oooooh thats the first thing i need to mrite some stuff about
[23:04] <p_masho> thumper: jsut make a simple one like github
[23:05] <thumper> p_masho: well... there are plans
[23:05] <p_masho> aham.. blueprints
[23:05]  * p_masho ducks ..
[23:05] <thumper> :)
[23:06] <p_masho> I was also expecint the bluerint to be somewhere where i could write my plan...
[23:06]  * p_masho maybe uses twitter as a wiki.. one sentence at a time..
[23:11] <thumper> p_masho: dev.launchpad.net
[23:13] <p_masho> thumper: what thats a wiki I can use ?
[23:13] <mahfiaz> is it possible to manage launchpad translations oldfashioned way using svn?
[23:14] <thumper> p_masho: yes, for ideas and plans for LP
[23:14] <thumper> p_masho: help.launchpad.net also for helpful stuff
[23:14] <thumper> mahfiaz: what do you mean "manage" ?
[23:15] <mahfiaz> thumper, I would like to do translation without launchpad
[23:15] <thumper> mahfiaz: Launchpad doesn't make you us it ?!? What is your problem?
[23:15] <thumper> s/us/use/
[23:16]  * p_masho (child like).. but i want my own wiki so i can can play in my own sandbox... (snivel,,weeps.. drop tears onto icecram.. icecream falls in sandbox... sKKKKreaMMMMMMMM)
[23:16] <thumper> p_masho: the team leads of the LP project are meeting at the end of the month, and wikis will be on the agenda
[23:17] <mahfiaz> thumper, sorry, I didn't quite understand the first sentence
[23:17] <thumper> mahfiaz: yes, typo - "Launchpad doesn't make you use the translations feature.  What problem are you trying to solve?"
[23:19] <mahfiaz> thumper, I would like to checkout ubuntu translations over svn (or something else) and commit these back in, just to avoid the web interface
[23:20] <thumper> mahfiaz: ah
[23:20] <thumper> mahfiaz: I'm not sure how integrated the rosetta stuff is, best to ask that question on the rosetta project
[23:21] <wgrant> You can't use a VCS with Ubuntu translations at the moment.
[23:21] <wgrant> But you can export and import PO files.
[23:21] <mahfiaz> wgrant, this is dead slow process
[23:22] <wgrant> mahfiaz: It shouldn't be slow after the first time.
[23:23] <mahfiaz> it usually takes a hour or so, for the .po file download link to be sent
[23:23] <mahfiaz> to mailbox
[23:23] <wgrant> But as thumper said, if you ask a question on 'rosetta' the devs will give you the best way. There might be something I don't know about.


[15:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Controls FTBFS?
[15:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nm, looks like you fixed it.
[21:25] <OvenWerks> I am downloading 20.04 to install and play with.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I am thinking that systemd session starting/stopping is broken and am hoping it has been fixed since
[21:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Let me know what you find out.
[21:28] <OvenWerks> There are a number of systemd user services listed in 18.04 that never seem to start. I do not want to bind to xfce4... it apperas that graphical-session never gets reached
[21:28] <OvenWerks> (as a target)
[21:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think it goes as far as multiuser, then launches the wm as part of target.multiuser.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> That is system that launches systemd --user
[21:30] <OvenWerks> systemd --user gets to the default.target and also xfce4-session.target (which I don't want to use)
[21:31] <OvenWerks> but never to graphical-session.target.
[21:32] <OvenWerks> it may be a problem with how xubuntu is set up. I am not sure if that is a part of session settings or what.
[21:36] <OvenWerks> The whole systemd setup looks wonkie to me. They do not have a session target by default... rather a user target... but that target does not end on session logout but rather not until all processes that belong to that user have ended :P and of course the process that needs to be ended belongs to the user ...
[21:38] <OvenWerks> I notice pulse seems to have the same trouble
[21:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd take a look and see how ubuntu is doing it. We want to keep it as DE-independent as possible.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> look in /usr/lib/systemd/usr/
[21:46] <OvenWerks> but... just because it is there doesn't mean anything
[21:47] <OvenWerks> It may be a bug in xubuntu rather than ubuntu... hopefully fixed by now.
[21:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Highly doubt it. Might be the xfce utilization of systemd, but I don't know that much. I do know that we're not pulling-in any xubuntu-specific systemd items, so it likely just comes from xfce.
[21:50] <OvenWerks> I found that I raised the loggin level (/etc/systemd/user.conf)
[21:50] <OvenWerks> I guess I equate xubuntu with xfce :/
[21:54] <OvenWerks> Then I do journelctl --user -b and search for "target" (with /target )
[21:55] <OvenWerks> That will tell you which targets actually are being used
[21:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, are you trying to call a systemd function from a user at login? Is that what I'm understanding?
[21:56] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:56] <OvenWerks> because that is what putting a desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/ does these days
[21:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Wouldn't a better way be to place a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart ?
[21:57] <OvenWerks>  but that has the same trouble... the process does not stop
[21:57] <OvenWerks> a package should never put anything in ~/
[21:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> I see. The idea is that the process would have to be killed at logout.
[21:57] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:58] <OvenWerks> 18.04 does not do that
[21:58] <OvenWerks> so for a single user it is no problem
[21:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> In theory, then, it's a process that has to be done by the user so that it gets killed at logout.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> but if the first user logs out and a second user logs, they have no sound
[21:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, having controls install it to ~/.config/autostart upon first run would be ideal.
[21:59] <OvenWerks> the user should not have to kill autojack or pulse
[21:59] <OvenWerks> no
[21:59] <OvenWerks> autostart does not work and is going to go away anyway
[22:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not .config/autostart, that's not going anywhere.
[22:00] <OvenWerks> autostart is handled by systemd creating a phantom service that does the actual running.
[22:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Maybe xdg/autostart, but I don't know. Where did you hear this from?
[22:00] <OvenWerks> the freedesktop page
[22:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> But ~/.config/autostart/*.desktop is handled by the DE, not systemd.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> not anymore.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> That is why things stopped working
[22:03] <OvenWerks> I will try something else to check though. But at least pulseaudio doesn't seem to work. The second login pulse startup gives "pulseaudio already running"
[22:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've never once had any issues from applications started via ~/.config/autostart/*.desktop. Even GNOME still uses that to create autostart upon login. It hasn't been removed from the code. I understand why /etc/xdg/autostart might be going away, but if GNOME is still handling it (and they depend on systemd) then it's likely not going anywhere.
[22:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Additionally, gnome-tweaks can be used to add items to ~/.config/autostart as of the latest version.
[22:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> I just read the spec, and it only refers to /etc/xdg/autostart, not anything in the user home folder.
[22:05] <OvenWerks> yes the /etc/xdg/autostart/ directory is still there, but it is handled by systemd
[22:06] <OvenWerks> any startup script in ~/.config/autostart can not be properly removed with package removal
[22:06] <OvenWerks>  (that is why cadence won't remove correctly)
[22:07] <OvenWerks> everythng we install needs to be outside of the user directory
[22:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm not saying it's installed by us, I'm saying it's installed by the user as part of running -controls for the first time.
[22:07] <OvenWerks> Same as cadence
[22:08] <OvenWerks> not acceptable. That is the same as it being installed there by the package
[22:08] <OvenWerks> it still will not be removed by removing the package
[22:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unfortunately, there's no systemd call (that I know of) that can be run by the user. It has to be run by the root AS a different user, and does not depend on user login/out.
[22:09] <OvenWerks> systemd --user start <service_name.service>
[22:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's fine, because if it's calling usr/bin/autojack and it fails, nothing happens.
[22:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> ^ That isn't called by any DE that I know of upon login.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> no logind calls something like that though
[22:11] <OvenWerks> no worrys I will figure it out
[22:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok.


  Thanks. =)
[04:56] <jbailey> I woke up this morning thinking about that and wondered why I hadn't done it.
[04:56] <jbailey> Especially when I had ot redo the 30 meg upload. =)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> upload what??
[04:57] <jbailey> ubuntu-artwork
[04:57] <jbailey> My upload at 2am didn't work. =)
[04:58] <jsgotangco> how does the packaging work? does it have a script that automatically registers the doc to yelp?
[05:01] <jbailey> dh_scrollkeeper takes care of that for me.
[05:01] <jbailey> I just have to make sure it knows about the OMF.
[05:02] <jbailey> The OMF contains the URI to the Document.
[05:22] <jsgotangco> jbailey, if i hit anything in branch just let me know :)
[05:26] <jbailey> jsgotangco: =)
[05:29] <ajmitch> hey jeff :)
[05:29] <jbailey> Heya Andrew
[05:29] <jsg_> shitty dsl
[05:31] <jsgotangco> alright its much cleaner now
[05:34] <jsgotangco> jbailey, we'll just merge the changes back to trunk after
[05:34] <jbailey> Yup
[05:34] <jbailey> Nice.  50megs removed from the working tree. =)
[07:12] <Burgundavia> bonsoir robitaille
[07:14] <robitaille> hello Burgundavia
[07:21] <MadpilotPPC> hi Burgundavia
[08:26] <Burgundavia> mdke, it doc.ubuntu.com building out of trunk or breezy branch?
[08:31] <jsgotangco> trunk
[08:31] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i just cleaned up breezy branch
[08:31] <Burgundavia> mdke, nev mind
[01:47] <spayne> how can i put in a link on the wiki to another wiki page
[01:47] <spayne> i have tried [Building_iFolder on this page]  which failed
[01:49] <pitti> Hi
[01:49] <spayne> yo pitti
[01:49] <pitti> I'd like to change the current default CD player from totem to sound-juicer
[01:50] <pitti> that is, the app that automatically starts when I insert a CD
[01:50] <spayne> why are you ask in here?
[01:50] <pitti> but since we are in all kinds of freezes, do we need to change any docs about this?
[01:50] <pitti> spayne: if some documentation has a screenshot of gnome-cd or totem, and s-j pops up instead, that would be confusing
[01:50] <spayne> don't ask me, i'm in the process of joining the wiki team
[01:50] <spayne> :)
[01:51] <pitti> jbailey: any idea about that?
[01:51] <jbailey> pitti: I think that no screenshots have been done.  We're only providing three docs:
[01:51] <jbailey> 1) about Ubuntu
[01:51] <jbailey> 2) faqguide
[01:51] <jbailey> 3) ummm
[01:51] <jbailey> quicktour
[01:52] <jbailey> The quicktour doesn't have pictures.
[01:52] <jbailey> The other two can be seen by hopping into help and looking at the two options below the line.
[01:52] <pitti> ok, that means I could change it without breaking too much?
[01:53] <jbailey> I suspect so.
[01:53] <Kinnison> does SJ play by doing DAE ?
[01:53] <Kinnison> some machines can't do DAE in realtime
[01:54] <pitti> Kinnison: I guess so, yes
[01:54] <pitti> Kinnison: totem does, too
[01:54] <Kinnison> oh right, if totem does too, then it's not a regression to rely on DAE
[01:55] <Kinnison> SJ is a nicer CD UI anyway
[01:55] <pitti> Kinnison: e. g. my iBook can't play CD audio directly, they apparently forgot the cable
[01:55] <pitti> ok, I didn't find anything related to this in the docs
[01:55] <pitti> so I'll change it now
[01:55] <Kinnison> pitti: coo, quality apple manufacturing
[02:11] <spayne> jbailey: ping
[02:11] <jbailey> spayne: pong
[02:11] <jjesse> morning folks :)
[02:11] <spayne> jbailey: will you take a glance at my first Wiki document for the Wiki Team
[02:12] <spayne> jbailey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Building_iFolder and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iFolder
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jjesse
[02:12] <jbailey> spayne: Only if you tell me what it is. ;)
[02:12] <jjesse> help Kamping_Kaiser
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:13] <jbailey> spayne: What's this for? =)
[02:13] <jjesse> doh can't type that was supposed to be hello Kamping_Kaiser
[02:13] <spayne> jbailey: iFolder
[02:13] <spayne> jbailey: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iFolder first
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asumed so jjesse ;)
[02:13] <jbailey> spayne: Right, but what do you want me to look for.
[02:13] <jbailey> I've read them both now =)
[02:14] <spayne> jbailey: are they alright? are they too complicated?
[02:14] <jjesse> spayne: they look good to me :)
[02:14] <spayne> jbailey: all my docs have been for tech users so i am trying hard
[02:15] <jbailey> spayne: The document requires alot of faith on the part of the user.
[02:15] <spayne> i thought i'd move all my docs for ubuntu from other sources (blog, hula wiki, ifolder wiki, ubuntu forums) onto the Wiki
[02:15] <spayne> jbailey: sigh. i know
[02:15] <jbailey> spayne: Wouldn't it be easier to package it and get it into universe? =)
[02:15] <spayne> jbailey: Mez is making packages
[02:15] <spayne> jbailey: I can't even package a KWin theme, never mind iFolder!
[02:16] <spayne> jbailey: you can (in theory) alien RPMs but it puts weird stuff in /opt and has been known to totally screw up nautilus
[02:16] <jbailey> Dude, if you can work CVS, packaging is the easy part. =)
[02:16] <jbailey> Right.  Alien Considered Harmful
[02:16] <ajmitch> Building_iFolder page suggests some dodgy stuff
[02:16] <ajmitch> like --prefix=/usr
[02:16] <spayne> ajmitch: tell me and will change
[02:17] <jbailey> spayne: The biggest problem with this page is that it's an act of faith.  If they don't follow the instructiosn to the letter, it will break and they will have no idea why.
[02:17] <spayne> ajmitch: where would you put it? in /usr/local, it doesn't pick everything up
[02:17] <jbailey> And also because it's CVS they're working against, they could face random upstream breakage with no explanation.
[02:17] <ajmitch> spayne: yes, in /usr/local, passing other flags to get it to pick things up
[02:17] <ajmitch> spayne: I steer well clear of building from source myself
[02:18] <jbailey> spayne: If it's automake based, packaging should take an experienced person about 2 hours.  If you have a day to heave at it, you could probably get it in. =)
[02:18] <spayne> jbailey: i have been using ifolder for around 2 months and they have been any breakages
[02:18] <ajmitch> well I build, but I just install from packages :)
[02:18] <jbailey> spayne: Past performance is no guarnatee of future results. =)
[02:18] <spayne> jbailey: i can't really start packaging as Mez has told Novell he is doing it
[02:18] <spayne> plus, they can't go into the repos
[02:18] <ajmitch> license issues
[02:18] <spayne> as iFolder depends on a closed-source DB called Flaim
[02:18] <jbailey> Is thih non-free?
[02:19] <spayne> iFolder itself is free
[02:19] <jbailey> Like can't even go into multiverse?
[02:19] <spayne> and by January, the whole thing will be free
[02:19] <spayne> no
[02:19] <spayne> it can only be redistrubted by Novell
[02:19] <jbailey> Suck.
[02:19] <spayne> jbailey: sigh - i know. Mez is goign to make packages which will go into a Novell-supplied APT server
[02:20] <jbailey> The --prefix=/usr is a fairly serious problem.
[02:20] <spayne> jbailey: i can change that :)
[02:20] <jbailey> That it's a problem, or the prefix? ;0
[02:20] <spayne> iirc, no prefix puts it into /usr/local?
[02:20] <ajmitch> jbailey: btw, good morning :)
[02:24] <spayne> ajmitch: i'm trying on my laptop to install to /usr/local and will report back
[02:28] <jbailey> ajmitch: g'night. =)
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> night
[02:32] <jjesse> is it just me or are most of the docteam on the exact opposite time zone as myself?
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> what time zone are you in?
[02:33] <spayne> GMT :-)
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> -930 (ACST)
[02:53] <jjesse> sorry i'm eastern standard
[02:53] <jjesse> so its 8:53 am here for me
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[05:00] <jjesse> where is the current faq guide located in svn? just curious to see what changes need to be made for Kubuntu breezy
[05:29] <jjesse> anyone?
[07:27] <jbailey> jjesse: Did you find it yet?
[07:28] <jjesse> am i looking in trunk/generic or trunk/kde/kfaqguide ?
[07:28] <jjesse> don't know if anyone took a look at breezifying it
[07:30] <jbailey> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy
[07:30] <jbailey> Is where I'm pulling the packages from.
[07:30] <jbailey> I think it's mostly a mirror of the trunk, though.
[07:31] <jbailey> I haven't updated the kubuntu docs yet.  I'm not sure entirely what needs to be done there.
[07:32] <jjesse> for kubuntu docs the ones i'm focusing on (it appears i'm the only one doing kubuntu) are kreleasenotes and kqugickguide
[07:32] <jbailey> 'kay.  If you have stuff, I'd love to get it in and updated.
[07:32] <jbailey> afk for about 25m for lunch.
[07:32] <jjesse> kquickguide is the closest one to being done, have a good lunch
[07:57] <jbailey> back
[08:13] <rangzen> hello
[08:39] <jjesse> hello rangzen
[09:10] <bhuvaneswaran> REGISTER 0xDec@f
[09:16] <rangzen> is there some people here who use docbook -> po files?
[10:32] <dand> Burgundavia: ping
[10:32] <Burgundavia> dand, pong
[10:33] <mdke> hiya Burgundavia
[10:33] <dand> hi, i just ran quicktour.pot through msgfmt -c and looks good
[10:33] <Burgundavia> salut mdke
[10:33] <Burgundavia> cool
[10:33] <dand> Burgundavia: how are the screenshots going?
[10:33] <mdke> how is quicktour?
[10:33] <dand> I'm interested in having localized versions of them
[10:33] <Burgundavia> going to start shooting tonight
[10:34] <mdke> Burgundavia, can you do me a favour?
[10:34] <mdke> if I give you the link to a couple of tars of translations, will you download em and upload them to the repo?
[10:34] <mdke> i haven't got access here
[10:35] <Burgundavia> mdke, sure, can do
[10:36] <mdke> merci, just waiting for rosetta to organise em
[10:37] <dand> mdke: is quicktour available in rosetta?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> dand, not yet
[10:37] <Burgundavia> dand, I need to upload the pot
[10:37] <Burgundavia> will do so now
[10:37] <dand> ok, good luck with that and with the screenshots :)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> mdke, how do I upload into Rosetta?
[10:39] <mdke> heh
[10:39] <mdke> i thought you were gonna ask
[10:39] <mdke> i think we need to create a new template
[10:40] <Burgundavia> I click about a dozen links and got totally lost
[10:40] <mdke> i don't think we have the right to create a new template, so I'm gonna say the answer is to bug jordi/carlos
[10:42] <mdke> yeah i think it might be tricky, we need the template in two places
[10:42] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+translations
[10:42] <mdke> and https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc
[10:43] <mdke> best email jordi
[10:43] <mdke> ok Burgundavia here are the things I need you to help me with
[10:43] <mdke> http://librarian.launchpad.net/479212/479245/rosetta-aboutubuntu.tar.gz needs to go in branches/breezy/gnome/aboutubuntu/
[10:44] <mdke> http://librarian.launchpad.net/479223/479256/rosetta-faqguide.tar.gz needs to go in branches/breezy/generic/faqguide/
[10:45] <mdke> ouch
[10:46] <mdke> it shouldn't be so big because jerome has cut it down recently
[10:47] <mdke> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/ breezy-branch
[10:47] <Burgundavia> yep, pulling that down now
[10:47] <mdke> upload the quicktour while you are at it, so jbailey can include it in his package
[10:47] <mdke> if that is the plan
[10:47] <Burgundavia> sure
[10:48] <mdke> gtg now
[10:48] <mdke> thanks for your help
[10:48] <Burgundavia> np
[10:53] <Burgundavia> mdke, done
[11:04] <dand> Burgundavia: I generated an html from the pot, and I can see a couple of problems: http://lisa.codemonkey.ro/~dand/quicktour/quicktour.test.html
[11:05] <dand> Ubu-? instead of Ubu-what?
[11:06] <dand> "s just got faster" instead of "PDFs just got faster"
[11:06] <dand> I used: xml2po -p quicktour.pot quicktour.html > quicktour.test.html
[11:09] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:09] <Burgundavia> I am really not an expert on pots
[11:09] <dand> well, the pot is sintactically correct... I wish I knew more about xml2po
[11:10] <dand> I'm gonna look into it, see what I can find out...
[11:16] <Burgundavia> dand, I am going to upload the pot I have. When we fix the issue, we can reupload the fixed one
[11:17] <dand> ok, it seems that <em> and <abbr> tags are not handled correctly
[11:17] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:17] <dand> however I don't seem to have xhtml extension available
[11:17] <Burgundavia> likely a bug in xml2po
[11:17] <dand> I have xml2po 0.2.0
[11:18] <Burgundavia> you using breezy or hoary?
[11:18] <dand> hoary
[11:18] <dand> i'm gonna try update xml2po then
[11:19] <Burgundavia> grab gnome-doc-utils out of breezy
[11:19] <dand> I will, thanks
[11:35] <dand> Burgundavia: upgraded to breezy version, but I can't find the xhtml module... it should be at /usr/share/xml2po/xhtml.py
[11:36] <dand> does "  dpkg -L gnome-doc-utils|grep xhtml  " return anything for you?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> no
[11:36] <Burgundavia> sorry, I have to leave in 5 to be at work on time
[11:37] <dand> ok, thanks


[05:26] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using Lubuntu 11.04 , not only flash but PC sometimes hang even on window minimize/maximize ...This is happening everyday ...How to proceed ?
[17:45] <phillw> AmberJ: I vaguely recall a ping from you. did it get sorted or do you still need me?
[17:52] <toman> hello there, im new to lxde and i need help with adjusting my keyboard layout. I want to be able to switch between US and Bulgarian traditional phonetic. I know i should type something like:  setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,bg
[17:52] <toman> but the "bg" is not the traditional phonetic and i do not know how to make it use it :(
[17:52] <toman> can anyone help me ?
[18:01] <phillw> Gee, why not hang around whil I dig the info up :P
[18:02] <phillw> If re-appears, please send toman to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877
[19:21] <AmberJ> hey phillw, sorry I was away on phone...
[19:22] <phillw> AmberJ: no drama, even very late, I do reply to a ping :)
[19:22] <AmberJ> Anyways, I guess toman about knew about the command needed to switch between layouts but he was unable to use bulgarian keyboard or something like that...
[19:22] <AmberJ> phillw, Well, that's the best (and quality) volunteer help and support that one expect for lxde :)
[19:24] <AmberJ> My problem is still unresolved though. If you remember, openoffice's individual apps didnt appeared in my lxde menu...And, when I click libreoffice entry, all apps in it's menu are disabled :(
[19:28] <AmberJ> phillw, ping ;)
[19:33] <phillw> we do not really support OpenOfice, as Libre is its replacement. As niether are used in lubuntu, you may get far better support on #ubuntu-beginners, just do let them know that you are running lubuntu and it is not a part of it, so you will need a little more help[.
[19:35] <AmberJ> phillw, naah, I'm not using openoffice...I mistakenly typed libreoffice in place of ooo.org
[19:37] <phillw> you can manually add them, but I do also think they should be there for you. I'd suggest asking on the mailing list, as I'm not sure what 'bug' it would be.
[19:45] <pmatulis> when will images be available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ ?
[19:47] <phillw> pmatulis: once the build goes using the canonical system, we are hopeful that a2 will do so, but certainly by the beta stage.
[19:47] <pmatulis> phillw: thank you
[19:48] <linuxman410> has ubuntu accepted lubuntu into their circle
[19:49] <pmatulis> linuxman410: that's what happened at UDS.  also see the lubuntu home page
[19:54] <linuxman410> cool
[20:11] <AmberJ> Stupid connection.
[20:11] <zkriesse> AmberJ: Hi :)
[20:11] <AmberJ> phillw, Did you suggested anything while I got disconnected?
[20:11] <AmberJ> The last msg in my client is: "AmberJ: thought I'll also drop a mail to mailing list to see if they find this a bug..."
[20:14] <AmberJ> hey zkriesse...What's up?
[20:15] <zkriesse> Nothing much you?
[20:22] <linuxman410> i am running lubuntu on my old dell inspiron 6000 with duct tape holding it together
[20:28] <AmberJ> Superstupid connection :(
[20:29] <zkriesse> Haha
[20:29] <zkriesse> Sorry it's not funny but it kinda is at the same time
[20:30] <digitalcrow> Lubuntu Rocks !
[20:31] <digitalcrow> I've tested ubuntu 11.4 and it sucked ! => frozen applications , slow , bloated
[20:32] <AmberJ> zkriesse, I dont blame you... I would have laughed myself in case it happened with someone else ;)
[20:32] <zkriesse> hehe
[20:33] <linuxman410> lubuntu is in a class by itself
[20:33] <zkriesse> welll nice digitalcrow glad you're hapy
[20:35] <digitalcrow> i'm very happy
[20:36] <digitalcrow> i'm installing 1.010 packages now 4.9gbytes and it will finish in a 5 mins max
[20:36] <digitalcrow> hope everything will go ok after then
[20:36] <digitalcrow> Lubuntu is speed!
[20:37] <digitalcrow> I had a problem with flash thought
[20:38] <digitalcrow> but i installed flash replacer and now works ok
[20:38] <digitalcrow> (firefox plugin)
[20:39]  * phillw waves to zkriesse I hope you are fine :)
[20:39] <zkriesse> i'm decent
[20:39] <zkriesse> brb
[20:40] <phillw> good to hear, I'm mad busy with 3 teams, but we are getting there :)
[22:02] <_schulte_> would you recommend lubuntu as a good base system above which to install xmonad?
[22:04] <head_victim> Depends on your goals really, can't see why it wouldn't work ok
[22:04] <_schulte_> I used to run above xubuntu, I've since stripped out all of XFCE, but I'm running into problems where pieces of my install appear to rely on missing pieces of XFCE, looking for a modular base system which I can pick and choose which components to keep
[22:04] <_schulte_> maybe just building up from a server install would be preferrable?
[22:05] <trakinas> hello all.
[22:05] <head_victim> _schulte_: maybe start with a mini install?
[22:05] <head_victim> trakinas: gday
[22:06] <trakinas> I've jun successfully ran Lubuntu over my pendrive on a Asus eeePC Surf 4G
[22:06] <trakinas> I had only one problem: some windows does not fit the 800x468 screen.
[22:07] <trakinas> for example: I cant see the bottom of openbox configuration screen
[22:07] <head_victim> trakinas: if you press and hold the alt key and then click on the window you can move it around until you can reach what you need to
[22:07] <_schulte_> head_victim: ok, just found the mini-remix site, looks perfect... thanks
[22:08] <szczur> you can move windows by holding Left Alt, clicking anywhere on window and draging them with mouse
[22:08] <head_victim> !mini
[22:08] <trakinas> let me test. I know I was able to do that on Gnome, but I didnt try on lxde.
[22:08] <head_victim> _schulte_:  ^ :)
[22:08] <head_victim> trakinas: works here for me on 11.04
[22:08] <_schulte_> yea, saw that, but this almost looks preferrable http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/
[22:09] <head_victim> szczur: mine works either alt?
[22:09] <head_victim> _schulte_: ah ok I'd never seen that, looks like the same thing
[22:10] <szczur> head_victim, for me only Lalt because Right alt is used as modifier for ąęłóźł and other polish chars
[22:10] <head_victim> szczur: ah of course, I keep forgetting the world has many different languages ;)
[22:11] <szczur> :)
[22:11] <linuxman410> is xmonad up to date
[22:12] <trakinas> since this has a limited  memory, should I keep with Chromium over Firefox?
[22:15] <trakinas> alt+move worked. now, my sister needs to see if she likes it, since she asked me to remove her Xandros to anything more up to date.
[22:16] <head_victim> trakinas: good to hear :)
[22:16] <head_victim> It's a handy trick to remember on smaller screens.
[22:16] <trakinas> yep! I will tell her.
[22:17] <head_victim> Depends on what you want to do with your browser really. I find Chromium works ok for most things. On my main browsing machine I prefer Firefox though, probably mainly because I've set it up over 3 years to how I want it.
[22:17] <trakinas> btw, I tested audio and wifi. both worked like a charm.
[22:18] <head_victim> trakinas: that's why I love Lubuntu, it's the only thing that makes this P4 usable in my opinion while still having the overall ease of use Ubuntu experience.
[22:18] <trakinas> head_victim: she uses firefox on her main machine, but that has 2gb of memory. and befora that, with 512mb, recently firefoxes was really slow.
[22:19] <trakinas> I was really glad that synaptic came bundled. one less thing to install.
[22:19] <head_victim> trakinas: well if it's something she's only going to use when out and about I'd say Chromium will be fine unless she really likes her Firefox. In which case maybe try to find some cheap ram for it.
[22:20] <trakinas> I will tell her to test chromium for awhile and see if she can handle it okay. otherwise, lets see how FF will behave here.
[22:21] <leccy> opera works pretty well for me - i run it and chromium, depending on my mood
[22:22] <trakinas> my main concern, though, is within office suite. I can't recall last time I used AbiWord, so I dont know how compatible is it with older MS Docs (before Office 2007) and recent OASIS.
[22:22] <head_victim> I don't use the office applications on my Lubuntu install, I do it all on my main pc.
[22:22] <trakinas> leccy: good to hear.
[22:23] <head_victim> I tried hard to use Chromium on my main machine but I quickly learnt I've spent too much time setting up Firefox just how I like it to want to switch.
[22:23] <trakinas> head_victim: I see! I know that she uses her netbook for reading and editing when she is not at hers. but I know this is not too often, she uses more for internet/music.
[22:24] <trakinas> head_victim: I use firefox since it was called Phoenix. So my opinion is biased
[22:24] <head_victim> I just wish it was easier to sync history and favourites between Chromium and Firefox, then I'd be happy.
[22:25] <elros> head_victim: install xmarks
[22:26] <trakinas> well, I have to go. will be idle from now on.
[22:26] <trakinas> cheers! and thanks
[22:27] <elros> xmarks synchronizes bookmaks, available on both chromium and firefox
[22:27] <head_victim> elros: isn't it dying?
[22:27] <elros> it has revived with lastpass
[22:29] <head_victim> elros: hmm thanks for pointing that out. I'm hoping to consolidate some installations soonish though so may no longer need it. But I'll have a think.
[22:34] <KM0201> i changed my icon for Audacious, the same way i did for skype (and it works perfectly... however, after i change mmy icon for audacious.. i can't open the program, i get this in terminal...  http://pastebin.com/TGj7D9gT   if i change the icon back, it works perfectly
[22:37] <KM0201> bueller?    bueller?   Last call for bueller...
[22:48] <Phosphenes> I'm sorry guys, but I think I've converted to xubuntu.
[22:49] <Phosphenes> :P
[22:49] <head_victim> Phosphenes: not a problem at all, we all have different needs
[22:49] <Phosphenes> I'm keeping lubuntu installed for now though, in case it doesn't work out.
[22:50] <head_victim> KM0201: sorry mate, I have no idea where to begin with that
[22:50] <KM0201> head_victim: doesn't make sense does it?
[22:50] <head_victim> Phosphenes: I needed Lubuntu for an old computer, I found Xubuntu didn't really have much less resource use than the Gnome install
[22:50] <head_victim> KM0201: I don't even really know what I'm reading there
[22:50] <KM0201> cuz the path to the icon is right.. (its the same folder i have my skype icon in.. .and it works w/ skype just fine)
[22:52] <linuxman410> i will stay with lubuntu light weight does everything i need and more lubuntu my os of choice now
[22:52] <KM0201> linuxman410: did you get your problem resolved the other night?... you just stopped responding so i went to bed
[22:52] <linuxman410> yes
[22:52] <KM0201> good.
[22:52] <KM0201> what was the prob?
[22:53] <linuxman410> KM0201 was  my broadcom wireless buit in to much trouble so i put a wireless card in it
[22:54] <KM0201> uh... ok..
[22:54] <KM0201> what kind of card did you buy?
[22:54] <linuxman410> netgear 511
[22:54] <KM0201> what chipset is that?
[22:55] <linuxman410> atheros i think
[22:55] <KM0201> yeah, atheros usually work pretty good (especially the 5x series.. i have those and they are flawless)
[23:28] <linuxman410> in lubuntu how do i get a screenshot of my desktop
[23:32] <KM0201> linuxman410: i'm not sure of the "Lubuntu" way, but when I used gnome, i was fond of ubuntu's screenshot utility, so i use it.. sudo apt-get install gnome-screenshot
[23:33] <Phosphenes> linuxman410: prt/sc
[23:33] <Phosphenes> It should appear in your home folder
[23:33] <KM0201> Phosphenes: dang, i never know that
[23:33] <KM0201> thast simple enough.. :)
[23:33] <Phosphenes> I only found out a couple days ago
[23:33] <KM0201> nice thing about gnome-screenshot though, you can capture specific windows if you like
[23:33] <Phosphenes> Handy
[23:33] <Phosphenes> ah
[23:34] <linuxman410> Phosphenes that is awesome
[23:34] <Phosphenes> lol
[23:35] <KM0201> you know what.
[23:35] <Phosphenes> I do not.
[23:35] <KM0201> the other day, i had a screenshot in my home folder, and wondered how on earth it got there, cuz i didn't remember taking it..lol,
[23:35] <linuxman410> /home/linuxman410/2011-07-04-183339_1280x800_scrot.png
[23:35] <KM0201> i suspect i hit the prtsc button
[23:35] <Phosphenes> lol
[23:35] <Phosphenes> Must be
[23:35] <KM0201> linuxman410: you gotta host it somewhere.
[23:35] <KM0201> !screenshot | linuxman410
[23:35] <linuxman410> got it
[23:38] <linuxman410> http://imagebin.org/161450  my wallpaper cool
[23:40] <Phosphenes> lol
[23:40] <Phosphenes> I like, I'll have to use that line sometime.
[23:40] <Phosphenes> XD
[23:41] <KM0201> linuxman410: not bad
[23:41] <KM0201> linuxman410: http://imagebin.org/161392
[23:41] <KM0201> that's a very good quote to.
[23:41] <KM0201> gotta add that to my list
[23:42] <linuxman410> KM0201 that is nice
[23:43] <KM0201> linuxman410: i have a thing for nature/landscape wallpapers
[23:44] <linuxman410> KM0201 custom wallpaper is what its about
[23:47] <KM0201> linuxman410: how did you get that battery monitor?
[23:47] <KM0201> mine just shows a green bar.
[23:57] <linuxman410> KM0201 what version are you running
[23:58] <KM0201> 11.04
[23:59] <linuxman410> that is what i am running battery meter just showed up when i installed
[23:59] <KM0201> hmm, when i add it, its just a green line


[05:47] <markey> shadeslayer: Muon backtrace: http://pastie.org/8481793
[07:53] <parad1se_> Riddell: Everything is fine. Iam celebrating the use of samba entry and remember function in dolphin :) Just clicking arround ^^ xD How are you? Results are posted in  Bug #1071453.
[09:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:19] <Riddell> bon dia
[09:41] <Riddell> jalcine: thanks for your commit, you set the changelog to saucy so I changed it back to UNRELEASED
[09:45] <markey_work> backlog looks like you guys have been partying last night? :)
[09:46] <Riddell> the wine is oh so cheap in spain
[09:46] <valorie> the story goes: drink good enough whisky, and you get no hangover!
[09:46] <Riddell> as is the cava
[09:47] <Riddell> and then we had to try the whisky to cross cultures
[09:47] <valorie> sounds dangerous
[09:54] <Riddell> parad1se_: can you confirm on the bug that the behaviour is fixed using the packages from precise-proposed?
[10:03] <jalcine> valorie: it's amazing how true that is, lol
[10:04] <jalcine> Riddell: oops, I'll keep that in mind for next time
[10:04] <Riddell> jalcine: no time like the present :)
[10:04] <jalcine> haha sounds like it
[10:04] <parad1se_> Riddell: Already done. I do install the packages from precise-proposed.
[10:05] <parad1se_> Riddell: And got the problem with kde-runtime-dbg. Maybe I should test on a another computer?
[10:05] <Riddell> parad1se_: you've not said on the bug report that it works, only that you tested it
[10:05] <parad1se_> After skipping the kde-runtime-dbg package, everything works fine.
[10:06] <Riddell> parad1se_: lovely, thanks
[10:06] <parad1se_> Riddell: No problem.
[10:06] <Riddell> parad1se_: if you want to investigate you can try an  apt-get install kdelibs5-dbg
[10:07] <parad1se_> Riddell: OK.
[10:09] <Riddell> sigh, muon still needs testing in saucy bug 1250114
[10:31] <markey_work> Riddell: did you move to spain, or just visiting?
[10:33] <Riddell> markey_work: just visiting for now but it is very tempting
[10:34] <Riddell> markey_work: should I move to spain?
[10:34] <markey_work> :)
[10:34] <markey_work> no
[10:34] <markey_work> well I wouldn't
[10:34] <markey_work> too warm in summer
[10:34] <Riddell> that's a feature not a bug
[10:34] <markey_work> also there's the language issue
[10:35] <Riddell> again, a feature, both me and nim quite fancy learning a second language
[10:35] <markey_work> well then
[10:35] <Riddell> you speak perfect english and that makes us feel inferior
[10:35] <markey_work> if nothing keeps you in Scotland, like perhaps family or a partner
[10:35] <markey_work> you could move
[10:36] <Riddell> my girlfriend nim is in scotland but she's very tempted to move too, trouble is she has no job here of course
[10:36] <Riddell> and I'd miss my lovely canoe club
[10:36] <Riddell> not been able to find one here
[10:36] <markey_work> it would require some sort of river
[10:36] <davmor2> Riddell: where is here
[10:37] <markey_work> then there's also the problem that moving is generally a big hassle (and it's costly), and moving between countries even more so
[10:38] <markey_work> usually you spend >= 6 months living in chaos
[10:38] <markey_work> at least that's my experience
[10:42] <Riddell> davmor2: KDE Office in barcelona
[10:44] <davmor2> Riddell: nice, I didn't much care for barcelona itself but just out of the City is amazing.  I found cities all over the world just start to look the same :)
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I added libwebp-dev to kde-runtime and uploaded to ninjas, I noticed a random plugin in kimgio/ directory that doesn't bother to put a notice in the cmake config output
[10:44] <Riddell> davmor2: the same but warmer :)
[10:45] <davmor2> Riddell: indeed
[10:46] <davmor2> Riddell: Certainly warmer than Scotland at any rate :D
[10:48] <jussi> oooh, its a davmor2!
[10:48] <davmor2> jussi: this isn't the davmor2 you are looking for
[10:49] <davmor2> jussi: move along, move along
[10:49]  * jussi eyes davmor2 suspiciously
[11:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm kde-runtime failed to build, did you add a boost dependency which you didn't put in bzr?
[11:27] <soee> good morning
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:49] <markey_work> shadeslayer: so, did you see my backtrace? or still hungover in bed? :p
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that would explain why the hell kimgio doesn't build
[15:10] <shadeslayer> markey_work: looking
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I haven't started on the fixing FTBFS's yet
[15:19] <shadeslayer> need to go through https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas which has packages that were not uploaded due to mismatch between archive and bzr or due to patches failing to apply etc
[15:20] <shadeslayer> I usually make sure that debuild -S runs fine then upload, then fix any FTBFS's later on ( also makes it easy for people to pick up things since it's usually easier to fix a FTBFS )
[16:35] <shadeslayer> any ideas where usr/bin/contactthemeeditor should go? kaddressbook?
[20:20] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ping
[21:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1247827] plasma-desktop hang. with kernel callstack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1247827 (by Albert Zeyer)
[22:41] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: pong
[23:19] <soee> hi, when latest rekonq might land in ppa
[23:19] <soee> how is it called? sru ?
[23:21] <ScottK> !SRU
[23:21] <ScottK> soee: ^^^
[23:22] <ScottK> soee: I wouldn't suggest using it though.  QtWebKit is unmaintained and riddled with security bugs.
[23:23] <soee> ScottK, yup just finish reading post about this release and rekonq future
[23:23] <soee> shat would the default browser for Kubuntu in the next 2-3 releases ?
[23:26] <valorie> soee: we're considering FF
[23:26] <valorie> not sure what other choices we have
[23:28] <ScottK> Firefox is the only browser that's consistently maintained in the archive.  Chromium is somewhat maintained by Canonical people, but not as consistently.
[23:28] <ScottK> I don't think that leaves us much choice.
[23:29] <ScottK> Of course, I've wanted to switch to FF as default for a couple of years now.
[23:31] <shadeslayer> the only blocker being KDE integration IMHO
[23:31] <soee> well when it comes to speed Chrome > FF but this is not an option here
[23:31] <soee> wasnt there some plan to create buiild based on QT ?
[23:31] <shadeslayer> we can just lift patches from SUSE
[23:31] <shadeslayer> soee: heh
[23:31] <shadeslayer> died long ago
[23:32] <soee> :>
[23:32] <shadeslayer> which is what I do for the firefox-kde ppa, but I'm not particularly happy with how ff loads a external binary to do the dirty work
[23:33] <soee> im not into internals so i cant say anything here, but if you pick FF ill be happy :)
[23:33] <soee> but Chrome will stay as my default browser because i need its speed when working on my projects
[23:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I doubt Canonical would take the KDE patches into the official FF package without agreement from Mozilla, so I suspect it's a non-starter.
[23:34] <ScottK> soee: Please tell me you meant chromium and not chrome?
[23:34] <shadeslayer> Oh, do they have a agreement for the unity patch?
[23:34] <shadeslayer> because there's a huge patch called unity menubar integration or some such
[23:34] <ScottK> Do they patch FF internally or is it an addon?
[23:34] <ScottK> No idea.
[23:34] <shadeslayer> internally
[23:34] <soee> ScottK, i had some problems with Chromium, a lot of problems
[23:35] <shadeslayer> I had nightmares after looking at the firefox packaging
[23:35] <ScottK> Yeah, so no KDE integration.
[23:35] <ScottK> Less than ideal, but no real options.
[23:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/25.0+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> < "    - update debian/patches/unity-menubar.patch"
[23:37] <ScottK> Fun.
[23:37]  * valorie uses chromium as well
[23:37] <valorie> it has problems, but doesn't crash and hang all the time
[23:38] <valorie> just....sometimes doesn't work
[23:38] <valorie> like with G+, which I find odd
[23:38]  * yofel uses ff and chromium - whatever works best for the specific site
[23:39] <shadeslayer> ^^
[23:40] <valorie> I use rekonq as my second, konq as my third, and FF only 4th
[23:40] <yofel> firefox is my default, but maps.google.com and jenkins are really slow so I need chromium for that. On the other hand, chromium totally fails with more than 10 tabs and can't show private ppa build logs on launchpad
[23:58] <ScottK> What matters isn't what we use, but what's the best default for our users.
[23:59] <valorie> exactly
[23:59] <valorie> which is why FF seems the best choice
[23:59] <ScottK> Agreed.
[23:59] <yofel> +1


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[02:28] <ubuntu-studio_> hello
[02:29] <enigma9o7[m]> Hi Stud, so good to see you.
[02:30] <ubuntu-studio_> can you assist me
[02:30] <enigma9o7[m]> I have no idea.
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 Hey guys I saw TouchPad gestures introduced on wayland and installed kubuntu but I couldn't find them in settings
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:37] <Res1s7> Hi. Anyone know where the k3b and/or k3b dev channel is ? This - https://community.kde.org/K3b - says #k3b on Freenode. But everyone moved to Libera ?
[18:34] <etux> hi
[19:29] <user|98> Hello, I'm new to kubuntu. How do i use it to reset a windows password
[19:30] <user|80> Hello, I'm new to kubuntu. How do i use it to reset a windows password
[19:30] <valorie> to reset a *windows* password?
[19:30] <valorie> I guess you could set up a windows VM, but.....
[19:31] <valorie> in general windows installs are machine-specific AFIK
[19:31] <valorie> afaik
[19:31] <user|80> well...A Collegue said he used it to reset a forgotten password
[19:31] <valorie> huh
[19:31] <valorie> I guess I would ask him how he did it
[19:32] <valorie> perhaps he used a live USB/live session?
[19:32] <valorie> because you can chroot in
[19:32] <user|80> I will ask him....thank you
[19:32] <valorie> but .... to a windows session? I've never thought of doin that
[19:32] <valorie> I mean, I haven't run windows except an old VM for almost 20 years
[19:33] <valorie> unless I sit down at my husband's computer
[20:45] <Elliria> I figured I'd pop in here and let the folks who coded the lock screen know that they've got a huge thank you from me. It's glorious and I really appreciate all the options.