[12:59] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: doko: sarnold: joeubuntu: jamespage: didrocks: meeting time soon ..
[12:59] <jamespage> o/
[12:59] <ddstreet> o/
[13:00] <joeubuntu> o/
[13:00] <cpaelzer> ok, let's get this started
[13:01] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[13:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May  5 13:01:08 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:01] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[13:01] <cpaelzer> there are two actions of last week
[13:02] <cpaelzer> #1 I had contact with xnox about the Ubuntu.Groovy community-maas seed that shows up in component mismatches
[13:02] <cpaelzer> and makes us wonder every week
[13:02] <cpaelzer> he asked us to "Please ignore community seeds in MIR meetings."
[13:03] <cpaelzer> he also wanted to fix ubuntu-archive-scripts and ubuntu-archive-tools proposed misssmatches reports but the changes didn't work out
[13:03] <cpaelzer> therefore it is still in the overview, but we should ignore it for now
[13:03] <cpaelzer> that is ok with me but I wanted you all to know about it as well
[13:03] <cpaelzer> sparkiegeek: just too late :-)
[13:04] <sparkiegeek> cpaelzer: heh
[13:04] <cpaelzer> I already mentioned that xnox told us to ignore the mistmatches triggered by "Ubuntu.Groovy community-maas seed" and similar
[13:05] <cpaelzer> action #2 we had sarnold trying to probe for a new time that might work better for him but not make it worse for others
[13:05] <cpaelzer> looking at the poll the one with the highest amount of acks (4 full, 1 kind of ok)
[13:05] <cpaelzer> is 90 minutes after the current slot
[13:06] <cpaelzer> doko: you are not in this poll yet, could you let us know if this time works for you?
[13:06] <cpaelzer> I see didrocks, ddstreet, jamespage, sarnold and myself
[13:07] <jamespage> I'd forgotten about that
[13:07] <jamespage> +90 mins is OK with me
[13:07] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you have added your answers to the poll
[13:07] <cpaelzer> so you only forgot that you already did that :-)
[13:07] <cpaelzer> doko: I'll be sharing the poll of sarnold once again with you na query
[13:08] <cpaelzer> let us go on from here - if doko arrives before the meeting is over we can make a decision
[13:08] <cpaelzer> otherwise I'd wait another week to really know
[13:08] <cpaelzer> before changing the meeting time every week ... :-)
[13:08] <cpaelzer> actions done (or postponed)
[13:08] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[13:08] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[13:08] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[13:09] <cpaelzer> we ignroe maas
[13:09] <cpaelzer> we have talked about apport which is a fals positive
[13:09] <cpaelzer> as it has an alternate dependency
[13:10] <cpaelzer> let us go through the new ones if anyone has context on them
[13:10] <cpaelzer> sphinx -> mathjax ?
[13:11] <cpaelzer> debian-goodies -> a bunch of perl things
[13:12] <cpaelzer> and another perl in libmoox-struct-perl -> libnamespace-autoclean-perl
[13:12] <cpaelzer> and fonts-telu ->  fonts-teluguvijayam
[13:12] <cpaelzer> the latter seems liek a package split
[13:13] <cpaelzer> all those perl/fonts things are usually managed by foundations and we miss doko atm
[13:13] <cpaelzer> anyone against keeping this waiting for another week until he is here?
[13:14] <cpaelzer> python-ecdsa is different, that has an approved MIR already (was in xenial)
[13:15] <cpaelzer> pulled in by dnspython which is part of the deps of e.g. samba
[13:15] <cpaelzer> I'll ping on that one to be re-promoted
[13:17] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[13:17] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:17] <cpaelzer> empty for one \o/
[13:17] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[13:17] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[13:18] <cpaelzer> no recent updates on those either
[13:18] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[13:18] <cpaelzer> still no response from doko
[13:18] <cpaelzer> it seems no new work to distribute "right now" came in this week
[13:18]  * cpaelzer feels like this becomes a monlogue
[13:19] <cpaelzer> we will re-visit the time change next week once we have dko's answer as well
[13:19] <cpaelzer> anything else?
[13:20]  * cpaelzer is a lonely log-filler :-/
[13:20] <cpaelzer> but we are doen for today
[13:21] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: doko: sarnold: joeubuntu: jamespage: didrocks: anything to add ?
[13:21] <jamespage> nowt from me
[13:21] <joeubuntu> Not here.
[13:21] <cpaelzer> I think I need to add some fast-path to the meeting in case lists and such are empty
[13:22] <cpaelzer> let me tinhk about it until next time
[13:22] <cpaelzer> cu next week
[13:22] <joeubuntu> bye all!
[13:22] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[13:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  5 13:22:17 2020 UTC.
[13:22] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-05-05-13.01.moin.txt


[10:13] <avis-> can you use dropbox with a icon on panel indicator with lubuntu 16.04 ?
[10:38] <avis-> does anyone know if dropbox share link with works on lubuntu ?
[16:27] <Josh4all> Howdy, all!
[16:29] <Josh4all> Is there a way to set effective system-wide proxy under lubuntu without setting environmental variables?
[16:30] <Josh4all> I have Lantern installed, but it doesn't work as I expected.
[16:33] <Josh4all> I've checked dconf-editor on schema org.gnome.system.proxy and am sure Lantern have set itself up successfully.
[17:13] <feneco> how to change the outline color when selecting things on lubuntu?
[17:13] <feneco> chrome outline color, lubuntu 14 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5Ps6da8I/
[17:14] <feneco> chrome outline color, ubuntu gnome 16 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mOlwchFY/
[17:15] <feneco> I tried to mess with the theming options on lubuntu, but it didn't change
[17:19] <feneco> now I see that I can change it from the chrome theme
[19:30] <Guest1589> Hello, its telnet installed by default un Lubuntu 16,04 ?
[20:04] <lynorian> Guest1589, we do not have the telnet port open by default but I think the client is.
[20:08] <swift110> hey all
[20:08] <Guest1589> lynorian, what i dound http://paste.ubuntu.com/16818935/
[20:08] <Guest1589> and telnet its installed and port is open
[20:09] <lynorian> you can open it is just not by default
[20:10] <Guest1589> no why i want to close it
[20:12] <lynorian> !ufw
[20:12] <lynorian> that could close it along with other stuff
[20:13] <Guest1589> pretty strange why it's open
[20:17] <Guest1589> well i purged telnet
[22:04] <extinct_potato> Hello everyone
[22:04] <extinct_potato> I'm thinking about installing Lubuntu at my school on retiring Windows XP laptops
[22:04] <extinct_potato> Are there any caveats I should know before installing it?
[22:05] <extinct_potato> How can I make it look like XP so that teachers and other workers won't have any problems using it?
[22:08] <bioterror> extinct_potato, it has start menu in the lower left corner. looks like Windows enough
[22:09] <extinct_potato> believe that teachers in my school are a little bit dumb, they are "click on everything" type of user.
[22:09] <extinct_potato> I was just thinking about basic appearance.
[22:09] <extinct_potato> Maybe you know of some polished GTK theme?
[22:42] <swift110> hey all
[22:43] <letssee> hi
[22:43] <letssee> hi everybody
[22:43] <letssee> need some help with my Ubuntu
[22:44] <letssee> can someone help me?
[22:47] <letssee> I was MOVING my pictures from External HDD A to External HDD B using my laptop running Ubuntu. Suddendly got an error msg and all the moved pictures (10GB) seem to have disappeared. I cant find them in the target folder
[22:48] <letssee> is there any command to locate them?
[22:48] <letssee> your help would be mostly appreciated. Thank you
[23:05] <swift110> why does my screen flash
[23:33] <tsimonq2> !help | letssee
[23:33] <tsimonq2> swift110: what graphics drivers do you use?
[23:45] <swift110> tsimonq2, not sure
[23:45] <swift110>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-22-generic i686 ** Distro: UbuntuB	¾ "xenialB	¾" 16.04uB	¾ ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.76GHz ** RAM: Physical: 15.7GiB, 84.8% free ** Disk: Total: 221.9GiB, 82.5% free ** VGA: 8086:0126 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: 8086:1502 ** Uptime: 3h 55m 51s **


[05:31] <infinity> BenC: D'oh.
[05:31] <BenC> infinity: ?
[05:31] <infinity> BenC: Your linux-ppc ended up being based on a kernel we're dumping from -proposed.
[05:31] <BenC> infinity: Errg…I took the latest Ubuntu tag
[05:31] <infinity> BenC: There are new ones in the PPA right now, but you may as well just wait a day and rebase tomorrow when we do another SRU round.
[05:31] <BenC> Ok
[05:32] <infinity> BenC: (Today's is an emergency security update, but that will be rolled into what you just rebased on tomorrow for the bigger SRU cycle)
[05:32] <BenC> infinity: So are the PPA kernels tagged in ubuntu-master git?
[05:32] <infinity> I'd assume so.
[05:32] <infinity> 21.32
[05:32] <BenC> Ok
[05:33] <infinity> Or, maybe 21.32 is a mess right now.
[05:33] <infinity> I'd just wait for 22.33 tomorrow, unless you're desperately keen on turning around this security fix tonight.
[05:35] <infinity> BenC: The upshot is that you'll get a tracking bug this time, unless bjf messed that up. ;)
[05:35] <infinity> Oh, which he did:
[05:36] <infinity> It was not possible to create or handle the tracking bugs for the following packages (their tracking bugs based on this update must be handled manually):
[05:36] <infinity> linux-ppc
[05:36] <infinity> bjf: ^--- shankbot fails at linux-ppc tracking bugs.
[05:36] <BenC> Bummer
[05:38] <infinity> BenC: I'll make sure that gets fixed. :P
[05:39] <infinity> BenC: Anyhow, you can either attempt to rebase on the 21.32 floating tag and get in on this emergency SRU bandwagon, or just wait a couple of days and get back into rhythm with 22.33.  Up to you.  The latter's probably less effort, if you're not desperately concerned.
[05:41] <BenC> infinity: Not desperately concerned...
[05:42] <infinity> BenC: Alright, I'll just poke you in a day or two when we get all our ducks in some sort of row, then.
[05:43] <BenC> infinity: Works for me, thanks
[07:46] <lag> apw: ogasawara: Damn lag!
[09:04] <cking> smb, perhaps c902ce1bfb40d8b049bd2319b388b4b68b04bc27 addresses that  bug
[09:06] <smb> cking, Hm, yeah. Sounds suspiciously familiar...
[09:06] <Laney> is bug #1157880 on somebody's radar?
[09:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157880 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "bcmwl-kernel-source <IP_ADDRESS>+bdcom-0ubuntu6: bcmwl kernel module failed to build on kernel 3.9 [wl_cfg80211.c:2025:3: error: too few arguments to function ‘cfg80211_put_bss’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157880
[09:08] <infinity> Laney: tseliot, perhaps?
[09:08] <infinity> HAH
[09:08] <infinity> TIMING
[09:08] <Laney> EXCELLENT
[09:08] <Laney> I did try to tab complete him at the time
[09:09]  * Laney gives a bug #1157880 shaped cookie to tseliot
[09:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1157880 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "bcmwl-kernel-source <IP_ADDRESS>+bdcom-0ubuntu6: bcmwl kernel module failed to build on kernel 3.9 [wl_cfg80211.c:2025:3: error: too few arguments to function ‘cfg80211_put_bss’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157880
[09:09] <tseliot> :)
[09:10] <tseliot> Laney: right, it was on my todo list. I already have a patch for that
[09:10] <infinity> tseliot: Dude, you joined the channel literally two or three seconds after I invoked your name.  It was creepy.
[09:10] <tseliot> infinity: hehe :)
[09:10] <Laney> he said it five times while facing a mirror
[09:11] <tseliot> it usually works that way ;)
[09:17] <tseliot> apw: have you ever tried bcmwl <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:19] <apw> hmm probabally not, brcmsmac has been pretty good for me
[09:20] <apw> tseliot, tseliot oh it isn't in the archive, where is it
[09:21] <tseliot> apw: here (it works with kernels up to 3.8 for now) https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/broadcom
[09:27] <tseliot> apw: or you can get one that should work with 3.9 here: https://launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+archive/ppa
[13:40] <rtg_> cking, can you create a bug for your raring nexus4 patch 'Enable lttng-modules-dkms to build' ?
[13:40] <cking> rtg_, yup, doh, I forgot to do that
[13:40] <rtg_> cking, it is for raring, right ?
[13:41] <rtg_> the repo organization is a little chaotic wrt nexus4/make and nexus7/grouper
[13:41] <rtg_> nexus4/mako*
[13:42] <cking> rtg_, urm, well it's for the nexus4 mako, currently raring, but won't we be moving to saucy with the same kernel?
[13:45] <rtg_> cking, we will, but I'm going to add lttng as part of the kernel under the ubuntu directory. see ubuntu-manta for example.
[13:46] <cking> rtg_, that's going to be fun - more bloat - and will lttng work OK if it's built-in?
[13:47] <rtg_> cking, its modular, so the bloat issue is less of a problem. I'm assuming it'll work if the dkms package does.
[13:48] <rtg_> cking, Q/A would like to use lttng as a standard logging method. I've added it to the saucy distro kernel.
[13:49] <cking> rtg_, yup, I'm having issues with in on the nexus4 - the output seems to not work with babeltrace and I'm trying to profile it on these devices to see how expensive it is
[13:50] <rtg_> cking, is the dkms package from tip on the lttng repo ?
[13:50] <cking> rtg_, i've tried the default package + the tip of the lttng repo
[13:51] <cking> btw, bug is 1180394
[13:51] <rtg_> cking, see if you can see that same issues with the saucy distro kernel.
[13:51] <cking> rtg_, so, saucy + x86 it works fine
[13:51] <rtg_> cking, shit
[13:53] <cking> and 3.4 + x86 it works fine, but not  3.4 nexus4
[13:53]  * cking tested x86 + saucy a couple of days ago, not sure about latest saucy kernels
[13:54] <rtg_> cking, no change wrt lttng
[13:54] <rtg_> only stable updates
[13:56] <cking> rtg_, ok, if you are going to integrate lttng into the n4 kernel I will give it is spin to see if that fixes the babeltrace issue
[13:57] <rtg_> cking, I think I'll leaving raring as is, but will build it in for saucy and newer. the touch dudes are going to stop raring development as soon as they flip the container model.
[13:57] <cking> rtg_, ok - any idea when that saucy kernel will be available?
[13:58] <rtg_> cking, I'm working on it today.
[13:58] <cking> ok, cool, let me know when it's ready and I will get crackin' on it - I'm keen to benchmark it to see how much overhead it adds on these small ARM devices
[13:59] <rtg_> cking, and whether it works at all :)
[13:59] <cking> rtg, that would be a bonus ;-)
[14:01] <rtg_> cking, I assume your second patch is an ABI bumper ?
[14:02] <cking> rtg_, bother, yes, i overlooked that
[14:02] <rtg_> cking, s'alright
[14:04]  * cking wonders if this bug fix is kinda academic if the saucy kernel does the trick and that's what we will be using
[14:04] <rtg_> cking, its hard to know. I've only done it for manta thus far, and have yet to try to boot it on the N10.
[14:06]  * cking tempted to forget it for now unless anyone screams for it on the raring N4 kernel
[14:07] <rtg_> cking, I'll get back to you when the N4 saucy kernel is ready
[14:07] <cking> ack
[15:48] <apw> cking, that second patch, isn't that just checking a CONFIG_* variable and therefore could we not just change the config? (for the N4 lttng)
[15:49] <cking> apw, true, but it means the N4 kernel deviates from our standard Ubuntu kernels for no reason
[15:49] <apw> hmmm
[15:50] <cking> i just wanted to re-align it because one of the earlier patches adds in features to the makefile that is not what we normally have
[16:49] <henrix> rtg_: are you rebooting gomeisa/tangerine? my session just broke and can't reconnect
[16:49] <rtg_> henrix, nope
[16:49] <henrix> hmmm
[16:49] <rtg_> I seem to have lost my connection as well
[16:55]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[16:57] <zequence> Did you change the workflow for how kernel sources are updated or something?
[16:58] <zequence> master is not containing the commits for the latest versions
[16:59] <zequence> Seems those are in master-next instead
[16:59] <zequence> hmm, wait
[16:59] <zequence> The tags are there, but where are the commits (am I just being stupid?)
[17:00] <henrix> sconklin__: you're probably still fixing the branches? ^^^
[17:01] <sconklin__> zequence: I'm going to fix the branches today, but the CVE release from last night will never appear in the linear history for the kernels, it will only be a tag
[17:03] <sconklin__> zequence: because we made the security fix on the last released kernel and not the one we had in -proposed, it's impossible to represent everything in th elinear history, including both the security release and the -proposed kernel
[17:05] <zequence> sconklin__: Ok, but once you've fixed the branches, I can just pull to get the latest version, right? I'll do that tomorrow in that case (update the -lowlatency kernels)
[17:05] <sconklin__> zequence: yes, and that will include the security fix
[17:05] <zequence> ok, thanks
[20:02]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[20:40] <infinity> psivaa: *poke*
[21:08] <FroMaster> I was provided a VMware VM that has Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS as its base and kernel 3.2.0-30-generic. VMware only provided VMware-Tools for 3.2.0-23/3.2.0-29 not the one I have. The VM is an appliance and thus has unnecessary components removed. Trying to get the Kernel-headers & build-essentials is not possible. I'm trying to find the difference between 3.2.0-30-generic & 3.2.0-29-generic to
[21:08] <FroMaster> see if I can upgrade the kernel and apply the vmware-tools packages via apt-get.
[22:02] <rsalveti> apw: pushed flash-kernel support for mako, so we can enable that at the kernel package already
[22:39] <tyrog> Hi fellaz. Is there a fix for HDMI audio not working coming for Ubuntu 13.04? thanks
[22:51] <infinity> tyrog: We've had a couple of emergency security fixes get in the way of pushing that out, but the fix will be in the next SRU kernel (landing in -proposed todayish, and in -updates in a week or two).
[22:52] <infinity> tyrog: Assuming your bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1169984
[22:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1169984 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "3.8.0-18 HDMI audio regression: Either oops or opening device fails with -ENODEV" [High,Fix committed]
[22:59] <tyrog> infinity: so right now with -20 the fix is not included yet?
[23:01] <infinity> tyrog: It's in -20-, and backed out in -21-, and will reappear in -22-
[23:01] <infinity> tyrog: The vagaries of emergency security updates trumping long QA cycles for other bugs. :/
[23:01] <tyrog> infinity: But I tested -20 and I still dont have my hdmi audio in the sound menu
[23:02] <tyrog> and why is it being taken out from -21?
[23:02] <infinity> tyrog: Then you might, potentially, have a different bug.  Do feel free to file one ('ubuntu-bug linux') and include as much info as you can, including what you've tested.
[23:03] <infinity> tyrog: -21 is -19 with exactly one small patch on top, urgent security release.  -20 was never released (as in, didn't pass QA and other such things yet), so we couldn't base -21 on -20.
[23:04] <tyrog> infinity: From what I've seen, it will go directly from 19 to 21 for people without proposed right?
[23:05] <infinity> tyrog: Right.
[23:05] <infinity> tyrog: If you're okay with running -proposed kernels, -22 should land today/tomorrow, and will basically be a merge of -20 and -21.
[23:06] <tyrog> good, thanks :)
[23:08] <ohsix> what's the small patch/bug?


[18:39] <Joseph__> I need help establishing a wired connection with my ubuntu desktop
[18:40] <wrst> Hi Joseph__ we will try
[18:40] <wrst> Joseph__: in *most* cases it should just work what type of problems are you running into?
[18:43] <Joseph__> my computer will connect and then disconnect after a few seconds
[18:43] <Joseph__> im wired
[18:49] <Joseph__> hello
[18:49] <average_guy> what type of router or gateway are wired to Joseph__?
[18:50] <Joseph__> linksys ea6900
[18:51]  * average_guy is googling
[18:52] <Joseph__> i have searched so many sites for solutions but none work.
[18:53] <wrst> Joseph__: is that a problem with any other setup?
[18:54] <Joseph__> no just my desktop
[18:54] <Joseph__> my laptop, phone, and tablets work
[18:54] <wrst> what type of network card does it have?
[18:54] <Joseph__> realtek
[18:55] <wrst> have a model to go along with?
[18:55] <Joseph__> is there a command i can use to find out
[18:55] <wrst> Joseph__: yes type lspci and that should give you the model of it
[18:55] <wrst> you will have to parse through a few items that just list all your pci devices
[18:56]  * wrst assumes its a pci network card
[18:56] <average_guy> type "lspci" in a terminal
[18:57] <Joseph__> RTL8111
[18:57] <Joseph__> i believe
[18:57] <wrst> that sounds right
[18:57] <Joseph__> what should i do
[18:57] <wrst> what version of ubuntu Joseph__? this card looks like it has been an issue
[18:58] <Joseph__> 14.04
[18:58] <Joseph__> most recent
[18:58] <wrst> ok Joseph__ I have a similar problem with a card I have sometimes I see a suggestion
[18:59] <wrst> first off install ethtool
[18:59] <wrst> sudo apt-get install ethtool
[18:59] <wrst> then try forcing 100Mbps/full-duplex mode
[18:59] <wrst> sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
[18:59] <wrst> that's assuming your network card is eth0
[19:00] <wrst> whoa Joseph__ I see the solution
[19:01] <Joseph__> that command gave me an error
[19:01] <Joseph__> :(
[19:01] <wrst> did you install ethtool?
[19:01] <wrst> Joseph__: I don't think you need to do that
[19:01] <Joseph__> it came installed
[19:01] <wrst> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2224262
[19:01] <wrst> look it comment #3
[19:02] <Joseph__> the one about build essentials
[19:02] <wrst> yes
[19:02] <wrst> average_guy: ^^^ that look good to you?
[19:03] <average_guy> It looks outstanding :D
[19:03] <wrst> Joseph__: nothing there that should hurt anything if it doesn't work
[19:04] <Joseph__> it was unable to locate package build_essential
[19:05] <wrst> Joseph__: it is build-essential
[19:05] <wrst> and you would be best to copy/paste those probably
[19:06] <Joseph__> the command is letter for letter and it gave me "Unable to locate package build-essential"
[19:06] <Joseph__> "Unable to locate package dkms"
[19:06] <wrst> oh Unit193, you around?
[19:07] <wrst> Joseph__: try sudo apt-get update
[19:07] <wrst> after updating the repos then try that
[19:07] <Unit193> wrst: Just.
[19:07] <wrst> Unit193: ^^^
[19:07] <wrst> all that jazz, and howdy btw
[19:07] <Joseph__> all of the results from that command failed.
[19:07] <Unit193> Howdy.
[19:08] <wrst> Joseph__: you don't have internet do you ? :)
[19:08] <average_guy> he cannot update or install with no connection
[19:08]  * wrst feels like a dummy telling someone to download stuff when they are fixing a network card!
[19:08] <Joseph__> its alright
[19:09] <Unit193> wrst: Well, you still kind of can, with apt-offline.
[19:09] <wrst> Unit193: yes
[19:09] <wrst> I was just thinking of going and grabbing the .debs and installing manually
[19:10] <Joseph__> So what should i do next?
[19:11] <wrst> if it were me I would consider downloading those debs, using a usb stick then installing, and then running the blacklist commands, but may be some better ideas
[19:12] <wrst> but I have a feeling there are better minds and ideas about to speak out :)
[19:12] <Joseph__> is this a problem with my card or ubuntu
[19:13] <wrst> from the looks of things your card and ubuntu aren't getting along
[19:13] <wrst> I have had that issue with some other gigabit cards personally, that ethtool command usually fixes it temporarily
[19:14] <Joseph__> .debs what is the deal with tha
[19:14] <Joseph__> that
[19:16] <average_guy> they are the individual packages that you were trying to download
[19:17] <wrst> Joseph__: have you done anything with the network settings?
[19:18] <Joseph__> i tried but nothing worked so i reverted back to the original
[19:19] <wrst> ok just going dhcp all the way?
[19:19] <Joseph__> what?
[19:19] <wrst> in your network settings
[19:19] <Joseph__> what do you want me to do?
[19:20] <wrst> i'm not for sure
[19:20] <wrst> I know what likely needs to be done I think...
[19:20] <wrst> average_guy: what do you think?
[19:20] <Joseph__> what?
[19:20]  * wrst doesn't want to confuse the process
[19:21] <average_guy> looks like you need linux-headers-generic.deb build-essential.deb & dkms.deb from  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and r8168-dkms_8.038.00-1_all.deb from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/r8168
[19:21] <Joseph__> what do i do with them
[19:21] <average_guy> download on a device that is connected put on usb stick and copy to the affected machine
[19:22] <Joseph__> where on the machine do i copy them to?
[19:22] <average_guy> it does not matter as long as you can find them
[19:23] <Joseph__> will this fix it
[19:23] <wrst> you will need to install them after you get them copied over
[19:23] <wrst> if i'm not mistaken that should just be a double click and enter in your password
[19:23] <average_guy> once they are on the machine you should be able to double click on them and install with ubuntu software center
[19:24] <average_guy> or I can give you the terminal commands
[19:24] <Joseph__> i cant find those packages on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[19:24] <average_guy> ok one sec, i will locate
[19:24] <Joseph__> thanks
[19:26] <average_guy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/allpackages
[19:27] <average_guy> type ctrl-f and put in the pkg you need
[19:27] <average_guy> will take you to it
[19:28] <average_guy> leave off the .deb
[19:28] <Joseph__> doing that now
[19:29] <Unit193> average_guy: You're going to find yourself in Dep hell. :P
[19:29] <Joseph__> i see that
[19:31] <Joseph__> when i click on the package i want it dosnt show a download button
[19:32] <Unit193> Down at the bottom of the page, for i386 or amd64.
[19:32] <Joseph__> oh thanks
[19:34] <average_guy> I not a terminal ninja Unit193, ex-windows/GUI for life
[19:35] <Unit193> average_guy: Heh, I was talking about r8168-dkms needing dkms, which needs build-essential, dpkg-dev, gcc, make, and more, and those needing their own deps.
[19:36] <average_guy> oh yeah :(
[19:36] <Joseph__> it says dependency not satifiable
[19:36] <Unit193> You can just use apt-offline to do all the heavy lifting for you, but the one in the repo won't work.  You'll have to use a git snapshot, such as the deb I built almost a month ago and uploaded to http://people.ubuntu.com/~unit193/
[19:38] <Joseph__> im a bit confused and i have to leave for work but will be back tonight. thanks for all the help. Will anyone be on to help?
[19:40] <average_guy> noone ever really leaves this channel, just ask again
[19:44] <Unit193> ...This channel is like Hotel California?
[19:47] <average_guy> so it seems :D  I like this APT off line tool Unit193, checking it out now
[19:48] <Unit193> If you'd prefer to use system apt-offline, apply http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt-offline/apt-offline.git/commit/?id=948d2b3bf26a174d47aefd2e07c815f096c78af1
[19:48] <Unit193> But yeah, Xubuntu ships this by default and has a great section in the docs for it.
[19:53] <average_guy> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/offline-packages.html


[15:40] <NOOB> so i can assign it
[15:42] <NOOB> please ping me if you can help
[18:40] <cimbakahn> Is there any reason for the screensaver to activate at startup?
[18:41] <wxl> cimbakahn: the dæmon runs so it can turn on at the specified interval.
[18:47] <bioterror> wxl, I like your, maybe danish accent ;)
[18:47] <wxl> XD
[19:49] <Loke-ion> hello, wondering if anyone can help me. I decided to try some linux distro on my old notebook. I have tried ubuntu (lags a bit), lubuntu, lxle. Notebook has a n280 1.6GHz 1c/2t cpu, 2GB ram, nvidia ION LE gpu
[19:50] <wxl> Loke-ion: not sure what your question is.
[19:50] <Loke-ion> on pretty much all of them LTS or latest seems there is not full driver support for the gpu. Also I am unable to change the brightness. Changing from nouveau to nvidia doesn't help
[19:50] <wxl> Loke-ion: what makes you think driver support is lacking?
[19:50] <bioterror> propietary driver should support Ion quite well?
[19:51] <bioterror> I have Ion2 board
[19:51] <Loke-ion> outside brightness, when I login I get broken bits of stuff that look from my windows 7 partition
[19:51] <Loke-ion> a friend said it's unassigned memory something
[19:51] <wxl> screenshot might be helpful
[19:52] <Loke-ion> https://i.lokie.eu/eCU2mXvf1UYX.mp4 this is from when I tried lubuntu
[19:53] <wxl> is a screenshot possible? i don't feel like downloading an mp4.
[19:53] <Loke-ion> you can stream it normally
[19:53] <Loke-ion> here you go https://i.lokie.eu/t/llyrrBPLc4IM.png
[19:54] <wxl> desktop seems fine
[19:54] <wxl> what's it look like when opening a window?
[19:54] <Loke-ion> after it finishes login in it's fine
[19:55] <Loke-ion> a friend who is a software engineer said the above is: uninitialized video card memory
[19:55] <Loke-ion> which means lack of full driver support
[19:55] <wxl> Loke-ion: sounds like you should have your friend submit some patches XD
[19:55] <bioterror> are you using porpietary driver or the opensource one?
[19:56] <Loke-ion> bioterror nouveau, tried the propietary driver too
[19:56] <Loke-ion> latest and legacy
[19:56] <Loke-ion> on lubuntu and lxle
[19:56] <bioterror> and same?
[19:56] <Loke-ion> wxl yea well doubt he will be very interested
[19:57] <Loke-ion> I think so yea, have done so many reinstalls I am losing count
[19:57] <wxl> Loke-ion: if that is the problem, someone either needs to fix the problem in nouveau or you can hope and pray nvidia fixes it
[19:57] <wxl> Loke-ion: chances with the latter are small, of course
[19:58] <wxl> Loke-ion: nouveau is not an ubuntu product
[19:58] <Loke-ion> I get systemd failed to load /path/video card something while it loads
[19:58] <wxl> you can report a bug here" https://wiki.freedesktop.org/nouveau/Bugs/
[19:58] <Loke-ion> to load ACL*
[19:58] <Loke-ion> ok driver aside
[19:58] <wxl> "something" is not very descriptive. we'd need the full details
[19:59] <Loke-ion> any idea about the brightness problem?
[19:59] <Loke-ion> let me reboot it again wxl didn't have enough time to read it
[19:59] <wxl> they may be related actually
[19:59] <wxl> Loke-ion: don't
[19:59] <wxl> Loke-ion: you should be able to find it in /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/syslog
[19:59] <Loke-ion> well too late
[20:00] <wxl> i don't see an ION LE here https://wiki.freedesktop.org/nouveau/CodeNames/
[20:01] <wxl> Loke-ion: from what i see nouveau doesn't fully support the ion
[20:01] <Loke-ion> systemd-udevd[413]: Failed to apply ACL on /dev/dri/card1: No such file or directory
[20:02] <Loke-ion> doubt if even nvidia fully does :P looks more like a one time thing they did for net/note books
[20:02] <wxl> Loke-ion: doubtful that's related.
[20:02] <wxl> yeah this is the problem with nvidia unfortunately
[20:03] <Loke-ion> so I am stuck changing brightness from the terminal
[20:03] <wxl> well it's possible the media key isn't recognized
[20:03] <Loke-ion> if I use the brightness app on lxle it changes it but to me looks more like it applies a gray filter on it
[20:03] <Loke-ion> cause the mouse pointer stays the same "bright"
[20:04] <wxl> you can use the openbox settings to change what keys do what
[20:04] <wxl> you just need to find out what key you have
[20:05] <Loke-ion> mm on other distro fn was being registered as in I got the pop up with the bar
[20:06] <Loke-ion> but no real change was happening
[20:06] <Loke-ion> also fn for audio works in lxle
[20:06] <wxl> so steal the openbox settings from lxle and apply them to lubuntu
[20:06] <wxl> but change the program used to the one you use on the command line
[20:09] <wxl> ugh finally found it. xev will report what key is being input, Loke-ion
[20:10] <wxl> Loke-ion: or evtest
[20:10] <wxl> Loke-ion: or xinput test
[20:11] <wxl> Loke-ion: xinput is a little weird to use, though, as you need the id of the device from xinput list
[20:12] <Loke-ion> um thanks though that will take some time
[20:12] <Loke-ion> not familiar with all that
[20:14] <Loke-ion> anyway wxl thank you, will try to play around a bit and see what I manage
[20:15] <Loke-ion> btw if I remember correctly on ubuntu 15.10 brightness worked fine anyway to find out what it has the others don't?
[20:15] <wxl> Loke-ion: after you get some output back on what key is being used, i can help you hack your confgig
[20:16] <wxl> Loke-ion: sure. just find where all the hotkeys are defined and see what keycodes and what-have-you it uses
[20:16] <Loke-ion> :P
[20:16] <Loke-ion> yea that's well out of my skill level but I 'll see what I can do
[20:17] <wxl> Loke-ion: unfortunately, i don't know where that is as i don't use ubuntu, but you could ask on #ubuntu
[20:18] <Loke-ion> alright will see if I can do it on weekend, got the logs from here so I should probably manage to explain myself
[20:35] <Gnjurac> hi
[20:36] <Gnjurac> leafpad is 700kb and when i try to install gedit it asks for 47mb wtf, is gedit that big or is id downloading whole gnome tree or somthign
[20:37] <bioterror> gedit likes gnome packages
[20:38] <bioterror> how about apt-get install --no-install-recommends gedit
[20:38] <bioterror> does it make the size smaller?
[20:45] <Gnjurac> w8
[20:45] <Gnjurac> i check
[20:45] <Gnjurac> sorry waz other tab
[20:46] <Gnjurac> yes now its 9733kB
[20:52] <Gnjurac> in the end i installed mausepad
[20:52] <Gnjurac> i only wnated sytacs highling
[21:00] <Gnjurac> how to make
[21:00] <Gnjurac> binbash script
[21:01] <Gnjurac> not ask on duble click to execute or not
[21:42] <caraka> Greetings. I maintain a PPA for a prject, and I have a lubuntu user who insists that the .desktop launcher doesn't exist, but I know it does. Where does one find them in lubuntu? in /usr/share/applications like the other flavours?
[21:56] <Techno568> Hello. Is lbuntu better than ubuntu for old computers
[21:57] <genii> Yes.
[22:01] <caraka> that was quick'
[22:20] <genii> caraka: Short and sweet ;)
[22:21] <caraka> yes. and I got my lubuntu user sorted out too. Of course it's all in the default directory :P
[22:22] <caraka> thank goodness for lightweight distros. More linux converts by the day
[22:22] <genii> Gives more life to old equipment, simpler to understand
[22:23] <caraka> exactly


[00:17] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[00:18] <pr0ph3t> I have a problem with the grave key, the one above the tab button. I have to press it twice for it to work, it functions intermittently. Anyone else got this problem?
[00:18] <pr0ph3t> I'm running Gnome-shell on ubuntu 12.10 64bit
[01:01] <directhex> ```````````````
[01:02] <Azelphur> , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
[01:03] <daftykins> ||||||||||||||||||||
[01:03] <daftykins> (can y'tell what it is yet?)
[01:09]  * Azelphur has no idea
[01:11] <daftykins> Rolf would know
[01:11] <daftykins> Azelphur: how goes the 'office' work?
[01:12] <Azelphur> hehe, atm I'm listening to the neighbours music through my feet :P
[01:12] <daftykins> ouch
[01:12] <daftykins> is it clear?
[01:12] <Azelphur> pretty clear yea
[01:12] <daftykins> =[
[01:12] <daftykins> suddenly the cheap rent makes sense
[01:12] <Azelphur> lol
[01:12] <daftykins> are you off back to family for the hols at all?
[01:13] <Azelphur> no way
[01:13] <Azelphur> the music doesn't bother me too much anyway, I'm always wearing noise cancelling headphones
[01:13] <daftykins> hehe
[01:13] <Azelphur> I take my headphones off occasionally because I feel the vibration and I'm like "holy shit, that's loud"
[01:13] <daftykins> just a bit of a rumble comes up then?
[01:13] <daftykins> ah
[01:14] <daftykins> my new place has a little beauticians one side and a house the other, not sure what the neighbours are like
[01:14] <daftykins> keep running into the current owner by accident in town though, he came up and said hi in a pub the other night
[01:14] <daftykins> so no doubt i'll ask if it happens again XD
[01:14] <Azelphur> fun
[01:15] <daftykins> bit odd really, heh
[01:37] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/xYphW.gif
[01:37] <daftykins> that is ace.
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[09:23] <popey> morning
[09:27] <Laney> oh look
[09:27] <Laney> my HDNL delivery lies and says it was delivered yesterday morning
[09:30] <Laney> that apparently means 'given to a yodel driver'
[09:31] <bigcalm> Hey kids :)
[09:32] <bigcalm> An update on the delivery of my touch screen from Malaysia means little to me other than it's moved?
[09:34] <kvarley> Can anybody recommend any routers for me which meet my needs? I'm in the UK. Has to have: ADSL2+; WiFi N at least 300mbps; dd-wrt or another firmware support. Would be nice to have: Detachable antennas.
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:47] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[10:02] <bigcalm> Tum te tum
[10:21] <Myrtti> kvarley: NO BELKIN.
[10:21] <bigcalm> VLC has got its santa hat on :)
[10:25] <bigcalm> Lots of Google Maps plugins for WordPress - any recommendations?
[12:53] <darren__> #css
[13:25] <_serial_> hi all, has 12.10 become more stable?
[13:25] <_serial_> better  question would be is anyone using 12.10 and how does the stability compare to 12.04.1
[13:30] <kvarley> _serial_: I've seen a lot of people complaining about graphics card drivers in 12.10 but for me it's way more stable than 12.04.
[13:31] <kvarley> _serial_: Try a live disc?
[13:32] <_serial_> thank you for replying kvarley :)  I don't have driver issues regarding graphics.  I get frequent "theres a problem with your system" type messages compaired to 12.04.1 but I'm the type of guy who like new and shiny things :)
[13:33] <_serial_> fyi i have a samsung rv510 with intel graphics
[13:33] <popey> i see no difference in stability between 12.04 and 12.10
[13:33] <popey> i have a few machines running both
[13:34] <sprmtt> this
[13:34] <kvarley> That's odd, I used to get loads of those app crash dialogues in 1204 but now I don't get them in 1210. I guess it depends on hardware?
[13:34] <popey> those are mostly software related
[13:34] <popey> apps crashing for whatever reasons
[13:34] <kvarley> In my case I think it was apport
[13:34] <popey> you can see the crashes listed at http://errors.ubuntu.com/
[13:35] <popey> yes, apport is the dialog
[13:35] <popey> whoopsie picks them up and reports them to daisy
[13:35] <kvarley> popey: Been meaning to ask, do you work for Canonical?
[13:35] <popey> i do
[13:35] <kvarley> popey: :D
[13:35] <ali1234> i got the opposite. 12.10 crashes much more than 12.04 did
[13:36] <kvarley> Off topic - Just spotted a package with Ubuntu tape all over it in the mail, guess I know what I'm getting for xmas :)
[13:36] <popey> hah
[13:36] <ali1234> apport itself crashes less though so i don't get the "yo dawg we heard you like crashes so we put a crash report about your crash report that crashed" thing quite so much
[13:36] <sprmtt> I've not had *crashes* in a while
[13:37] <sprmtt> I say crashes, I mean that it never locks up on me
[13:37] <ali1234> i have never seen linux lock up except when i was doing kernel development and did something silly like overwrite random pieces of memory
[13:38] <ali1234> actually it used to lock up all the time about 10 years ago but that was due to nvidia driver being awful
[13:39] <popey> i managed to lock up x a few times recently
[13:40] <ali1234> i locked up the whole system by trying to use usbip the other day
[13:40] <ali1234> it is marked as experimental though
[13:41] <ali1234> speaking of bugs i've got bug 1067951 reproduced right now
[13:41] <ali1234> what debugging commands should i run?
[15:12] <Knightwise> hey everyone
[15:13] <Knightwise> popey: Do you know anyone in the community who is involved with the "Ubuntu on a nexus 7" project ?
[15:13] <popey> yes
[15:13] <popey> alex chiang
[15:13] <popey> he's a canonical guy
[15:13] <popey> he's the best guy to talk to
[15:14] <Knightwise> Do you know where I might be able to contact him ? I would like to have him on the show for an interview
[15:14] <popey> achiang on irc
[15:14] <bigcalm> Yes, it's a repeat from earlier... Lots of Google Maps plugins for WordPress - any recommendations?
[15:14] <Knightwise> thank you ?
[15:15] <Knightwise> I meant thank you !
[15:15] <Knightwise> :p Stupid keyboard !
[15:16] <bigcalm> ?! being next to each other ;)
[15:19] <Knightwise> Of course :p
[15:19]  * Knightwise has a Wookie keyboard layout
[16:03] <DJones> Ugh, that feels like 3 hours spent twiddling thumbs getting BCM 4311 working on xubuntu
[16:19] <andylockran> hey all
[16:19] <andylockran> I need an App Development company with a good rep - any recommendations?
[16:24] <directhex> what kind of app?
[17:00] <andylockran> iOS & Android
[17:00] <andylockran> sorry for the delay
[17:01] <diplo> Xmas hols, may catch you all soon. ttfn
[17:05] <andylockran> ttfn
[18:06] <Laney> it is now xmas for me too!
[18:07] <Laney> to celebrate: THE PUB
[18:07]  * Laney drapes tinsel and fairy lights on xnox
[18:08] <xnox> Laney: Blobby Blobby Blobby =)))))
[19:13] <daftykins> it comes to something when your own mother's smartphone she just upgraded *away* from is still newer than your own :O
[19:13] <daftykins> when will this smartphone arms race end?
[19:17] <directhex> never.
[19:17] <directhex> for various raisins.
[19:18] <directhex> phones have *always* been an arms race, although specifications didn't matter until the iphone shipped
[19:19] <directhex> remember "xelibri", a brand siemens invented to just ship fashion phones every 6 months? you could tell how unhip someone was by the vintage of their phone
[19:19] <daftykins> heh
[19:19] <daftykins> nah i don't recall that one
[19:20] <directhex> http://www.visionmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Xelibri%20lineup.jpg
[19:20] <daftykins> wow.
[19:20] <daftykins> my only problem with my HTC Desire is that the apps storage is only 150MB, so you install a few and then your email accounts stop syncing 'cause there's no space left
[19:21] <daftykins> so you move as many as you can onto the SD card instead, but it still trips up when updates come out
[19:21] <daftykins> that's even rooted with cyanogenmod on too
[19:21]  * xnox will get nexus4 in 4-5 weeks time.
[19:22] <directhex> daftykins, it's a design cock-up of android to have hardcoded partition sizes that cannot be cleanly resized without erasing/recreating
[19:22] <daftykins> *nod*
[19:22] <daftykins> i imagine i could get around it if i did some kind of mount change trickery
[19:22] <directhex> and vendors being cheap by not leaving *any* headroom on their partitions
[19:24] <daftykins> this must be a hardware limitation too, 'cause cyanogenmod would've fixed it otherwise
[19:24] <daftykins> surely 0o
[19:24] <daftykins> or perhaps they just don't repartition in their installation i suppose
[19:25] <directhex> yes, tiny quantity of solid state
[19:25] <daftykins> just done df-h in a terminal, my word there are a lot of mounts
[19:28] <directhex> heh. webos used to do, like, 5 bind mounts every time you ran an app, but forgot to unmount them. ran out of file descriptors, hence "too many cards" error requiring reboot.
[19:29] <daftykins> ah-ha
[19:29] <daftykins> how unimpressive
[19:30] <daftykins> i heard something on an anandtech podcast the other day that said, blackberry phones always boot so slowly because their boot sequence constantly misses timers so it's basically waiting all the time
[19:30] <daftykins> pretty shocking given the amount of development surrounding them
[19:39] <shauno> I don't get why everyone picks on RIM.  Surely the decent thing would be to let them die peacefully
[19:59] <daftykins> shauno: haha, fair point. we have to watch them crash and burn in the new year with BB10 first though
[20:39] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:40] <daftykins> heya o/
[20:45] <Azelphur> Anyone happen to know what the piece I can't identify is on this ikea galant desk? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/0TBfU.jpg
[20:47] <daftykins> not the screen stand but the sorta, cable trap along the back?
[20:48] <daftykins> oic individual 'models'
[20:48] <Azelphur> daftykins: I mean the big long chunk at the back
[20:48] <Azelphur> yea, that's a galant combination desk
[20:49] <daftykins> hrmm
[20:49] <daftykins> no idea i'm afraid :( i think getting the traffic lights will be far more important though :>
[20:53] <Azelphur> haha
[20:54] <ali1234> looks like a bit of a tv stand
[21:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, I mean, the board underneath it
[21:04] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/desk.png that
[21:05] <ali1234> it's a piece of wood
[21:08] <daftykins> could almost be shelves even
[21:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: it needs the subframe under it to mount onto the desk, otherwise it'd just fall down lol
[21:10] <Azelphur> unless he did something custom
[21:20] <daftykins> ooh a prog called 'data2sd' lets you move your /data partition on android to your SD card :D
[21:20] <daftykins> http://www.andreagrandi.it/2011/08/13/howto-extend-htc-desire-internal-memory-to-2gb-using-cyanogenmod-7-and-data2sd/
[21:20] <daftykins> very very handy
[21:21] <daftykins> hopefully it doesn't slow the whole phone down to a halt in the process
[21:23] <ali1234> well it definitely won't make it faster that's for sure
[21:24] <daftykins> depends on the stats of the NAND vs. the SD card really
[21:26] <ali1234> woah a new humble bundle is up and they have legend of grimrock
[21:26] <ali1234> and it's compatible with linux
[21:27] <ali1234> yes, do want
[21:28] <daftykins> that must mean the email is about to do its' rounds to me
[21:28] <ali1234> i have nt had the email yet
[21:28] <ali1234> it must have just gone up
[21:28] <daftykins> ah-ha
[21:28] <ali1234> i just went to get my steam keys for the THQ bundle
[21:29] <ali1234> because i was going to try to play them in wine
[21:31] <ali1234> they seem to have a knack of knowing exactly when i am bored and very likely to buy stuff
[21:33] <ali1234> and it's already in the software center too. amazing
[21:33] <daftykins> ;)
[21:33] <daftykins> i barely touched what i got when i bought one humble bundle
[21:33] <ali1234> well the games are a bit hit and miss
[21:33] <daftykins> played a little of the 'zen bound' android game
[21:33] <ali1234> but i've been waiting for grimrock to properly come to linux for ages
[21:34] <daftykins> and played all of darwinia, as i was stuck away from home on a laptop for a long time
[21:34] <daftykins> ah i've not heard of that
[21:34] <ali1234> i played zen bound for about 1 minute and then decided it sucked
[21:35] <ali1234> nice idea, boring game
[21:35] <ali1234> my favourite so far is super meat boy
[21:35] <ali1234> i thought i would not like it, but it turned out to be great
[21:37] <daftykins> :)
[21:37] <daftykins> played the XBLA demo of that, but i don't have the persistence to keep playing something like a platformer these days
[21:38] <ali1234> lol, casual
[21:38] <ali1234> actually you don't need persistence. it;s not as hard as it looks and it is structured in a way where you can skip levels so you don't have o sit and play it all day if you don't want to
[21:39] <daftykins> ah
[21:39] <ali1234> it could easily have been a really bad game if the controls weren't spot on or it forced you to do the levels in order
[21:39] <ali1234> but it's executed perfectly
[21:39] <daftykins> i seem to recall it was a bit of a pixel-perfect type, i think the demo had a level of spikes on a long falling section that you had to avoid
[21:40] <ali1234> the game dustforce was in another bundle i got. it's basically the same game but nowhere near as well executed
[21:40] <ali1234> yeah meat boy LOOKS really hard but it is decieving
[21:41] <ali1234> the later levels actually are hard
[21:41] <ali1234> but there's plenty of gameplay in the early ones. it has a good difficulty curve
[21:43] <daftykins> ah-har, the email has arrived!
[22:29] <dave101010> hi all
[22:29] <dave101010> thanks for al the pis so far but i want to add unity themes to 12.10
[22:30] <andylockran> yo
[22:31] <dave101010> yo
[22:31] <andylockran> ssh from top of 333 bus...
[22:31] <andylockran> interesting on my android
[22:31] <andylockran> very small
[22:31] <AlanBell> hi andylockran :)
[22:31] <andylockran> just popping through brixton. wave if you can see me
[22:31] <andylockran> hey alan
[22:31] <andylockran> hows things
[22:31] <andylockran> yo dave10010101010101
[22:32] <dave101010> lol
[22:32] <andylockran> alighting bus in 2 ?mins
[22:32] <andylockran> and its raining...
[22:32] <andylockran> having a very very stressful week
[22:32] <dave101010> it is raining on and off there in milton keynes too
[22:36] <popey> AlanBell, have you ever considered punctuation?
[22:37] <AlanBell> I like commas
[22:37] <dave101010> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[22:37] <dave101010> so sad
[22:38] <dave101010> it is nyan cat
[22:38] <AlanBell> popey: I can't see any epic sentences, there are commas and full stops all over the place
[22:39] <popey> paragraphs would be nice
[22:39] <popey> it's quite a wall of text
[22:39] <popey> nice text though it is
[22:39] <AlanBell> paragraph 1 is arguably a longish one
[22:39] <popey> i went cross-eyed reading it
[22:40] <popey> but I found my socks
[22:40]  * AlanBell chops it into 3
[22:42] <AlanBell> think I will add some socks too
[22:52] <popey> AlanBell, http://popey.com/~alan/socks.png
[22:54] <mgdm> I can recommend the ones third down on the far left
[22:54] <mgdm> they are Warm As Fsck
[22:55] <directhex> i have my graphics card back \o/
[22:55] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/socks.png
[23:00] <daftykins> directhex: RMA?
[23:04] <directhex> daftykins, yeah. took scan about 7 weeks to issue a partial (£126) refund on a dead 6970
[23:05] <daftykins> crikey
[23:05] <daftykins> only partial? that sounds a bit harsh
[23:05] <daftykins> i've never had much respect for that company since when i phoned up enquiring about VAT removal, they said they'd just charge the exact same value as VAT, for the shipping
[23:05] <daftykins> when asked 'why', the answer was 'because'
[23:17] <directhex> scan only do partial refunds these days, on the basis that they "calculate you've had £X of value from it, so it's only worth £Y"
[23:17] <directhex> which is bull tbh
[23:17] <directhex> so i took their refund to ebuyer and bought a GTX660
[23:20] <daftykins> :)
[23:21] <directhex> also just bought her a dell u2713hm as a surprise late xmas present
[23:22] <daftykins> crikey, some high-res for her
[23:23] <directhex> when her hyundai 24" pva screen died, all we could find that was affordable was a 23" 1080p TN screen, and i was *never* happy with the downgrade
[23:24] <popey> scan sent stolen goods to a friend of mine once
[23:25] <AlanBell> Bug #1092341
[23:26] <daftykins> popey: wow
[23:27] <daftykins> popey: how'd they discover that?
[23:27] <popey> was a hard drive, it broke, they called manufacturer who said "no warranty on those, they're stolen"
[23:27] <daftykins> :S
[23:28] <popey> hmm
[23:28] <popey> why does black mesa not run
[23:28] <popey> installed, click play in steam, nothing happens
[23:28] <AlanBell> nick hard drive, buy hard drive, RMA stolen hard drive get refund, one laundered drive? or was it in the supply chain?
[23:28] <daftykins> source SDK 2007 base is required?
[23:28] <daftykins> for black mesa
[23:28] <popey> wat
[23:28] <popey> really?
[23:28] <daftykins> yesh
[23:29] <popey> i thought only a source game like hl2 needed to be installed
[23:29] <daftykins> err, i think some stuff usually pulls in the above
[23:29] <daftykins> i can't be 100%
[23:29] <popey> meh, will play hl2 instead
[23:30] <daftykins> i still remember mooching the leak, ah so long ago
[23:31] <daftykins> the graphics seemed so good at the time, that when you walked up to an untextured part it was as though the real world was pieced together in a similar way
[23:32] <ali1234> AlanBell: i noticed...
[23:39] <directhex> i can't get back into the swing of pc gaming, after 2 months off :x
[23:45] <daftykins> i'm losing the interest to gaming in general
[23:45] <directhex> freak!
[23:46] <daftykins> D:
[23:47] <directhex> cool kids all play videogames
[23:47] <directhex> my wife is playing one RIGHT NOW
[23:47] <popey> not true
[23:47] <popey> i do too
[23:47] <daftykins> ;)
[23:47] <shauno> where I'm from, grumpy old men play video games now
[23:47] <daftykins> ah i'm sure you get an honorary cool card, popey
[23:47] <ali1234> grimrock is really good
[23:47] <popey> not tried it yet
[23:47] <ali1234> i am not disappointed
[23:48] <popey> bought the bundle as always
[23:48] <directhex> none of the bundle is on steam for linux :o
[23:48] <directhex> someone should apply a spanking to valve to they apply a spanking to the relevant devs
[23:48] <ali1234> but it's all in the software centre so who cares?
[23:48] <ali1234> steam = tf2 launcher
[23:49] <popey> heh, every single game I have, directhex has
[23:49] <popey> except one
[23:49] <ali1234> let me guess. train simulator?
[23:49] <popey> ya :)
[23:50] <directhex> ali1234, games from software centre SIGNIFICANTLY slow down apt updates
[23:50] <popey> install, disable ppa, job done
[23:50] <ali1234> hmm yeah i have noticed that actually. why does that happen?
[23:51] <ali1234> but i want updates......
[23:51] <directhex> ali1234, also, i use steam for matchmaking. if you work out how i can play multiplayer dungeon defenders with my friends without using steam invites, let me know
[23:51] <popey> ppas are on launchpad
[23:51] <popey> less infra than repos
[23:51] <ali1234> just cos launchpad is slow?
[23:51] <popey> well, not lp really
[23:51] <ali1234> ok, just cos ppas are slow?
[23:51] <popey> i dont think they scale as well as the repo
[23:52] <popey> i know they've recently thrown more hardware at it
[23:52] <popey> but it's not mirrored like the repo is
[23:52] <popey> so everyone hits them
[23:52] <ali1234> considering how often games ppas are (not) updated, you'd think it could just do like a http header check...
[23:53] <ali1234> "like http 304 not modified"
[23:53] <ali1234> and then not spend ages downloading it again
[23:53] <popey> yeah, apt isn't really optimised for this use case
[23:53] <ali1234> it would be so easy to do tho :(
[23:55] <popey> that osx bell sound
[23:55] <popey> i hear it a lot from the imac in the kitchen
[23:55] <popey> it's always a cat
[23:56] <daftykins> =]
[23:56] <daftykins> i'm considering whether or not i'm brave enough to do a hard disk -> SSD transplant on a clients iMac right now
[23:56] <daftykins> apparently someone i know has the glass suction cup things :D
[23:57] <popey> oooh, this is very nice
[23:57] <ali1234> grimrock is a native port too... that's awesome. is this the first time it's been available on linux then?
[23:57] <directhex> yes
[23:57] <directhex> dungeon defenders is far more important though
[23:57] <popey> i would like to do that on the imac
[23:58] <directhex> unrealengine 3's debut
[23:58] <popey> it's the only upgrade left it can have really
[23:58] <daftykins> popey: what age model is it? this client's is a 3.06GHz i3 from mid-2010, 4GB of RAM at present and the 500GB mechanical
[23:59] <ali1234> what famous games powered by unrealengine 3?
[23:59] <directhex> most of them!
[23:59] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3