[16:04] <ksmth> chronospazz I have tried mounting it numerous times, and it's trying but then erroring out
[16:05] <chronospazz> ksmth: I am 100% sure a mac can mount ISO by double click. This seems like "oops wrong file" or a mac issue.
[16:06] <ksmth> chronospazz seriously, it tries mounting the image and then it pops up with the mentioned error message.
[16:06] <chronospazz> oh i see, so it mounts but cant read the filesystem?
[16:06] <ksmth> chronospazz I have double clicked it, tried mounting it with Disk Utility, but I get the error regarding the FS
[16:07] <chronospazz> ksmth: does this help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/153833/why-cant-i-mount-the-ubuntu-12-04-installer-isos-in-mac-os-x
[16:08] <chronospazz> ksmth: they say the new ISOs are a different format that the mac can't read and they provide a workaround
[16:10] <ksmth> chronospazz ah, that's what I just discovered as well. Seems like it's working ... uploading
[16:12] <countthestars185> chronospazz: I used pysdm to create an fstab entry that will automount on boot.  I'm having trouble setting up the share though.  I've read through the CIFS info, and even installed the utility, but I'm not sure how to use it
[16:16] <Tincup74> Is there a dang easy way to get AMD drivers installed in ubuntu 12.04?  I am trying to set some miners (litecoin) up and having a doozie of a time with it.
[16:18] <chronospazz> countthestars185: does your TV using windows file sharing protocol?
[16:18] <chronospazz> countthestars185: if so, you need to install and configure 'samba' on the server according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba
[16:21] <chemist^> Hello everyone, i've got a problem that's probably easy to solve. I use 2 displays with my Ubuntu (xfce4). One is my LCD monitor and the other is a Sony Bravia LCD TV connected to my graphics card via HDMI cable (My graphic card is Asus HD 5450), which delivers sound to my TV as well. Every time i turn OFF my TV, i can't get the sound to work on it. I have to logout/login in order for it to "recognize" it. Is there a way to just re
[16:21] <chemist^> set the sound manager or something instead of logging out every time this occurs?
[16:22] <chemist^> If i disable/enable it in pulseaudio control - doesn't work
[16:24] <chemist^> would resetting pulseaudio help?
[16:25] <countthestars185> chronospazz:  Thank you for all of your help, I've configured Samba, I will reboot to see if it worked, if I have anymore problems, I will be back.  Thanks again
[16:27] <diuneigh> can someone help me with an error?
[16:28] <k1l_> !details | diuneigh
[16:29] <Slonjk_> Hi
[16:29] <Slonjk_> привеь)
[16:30] <Slonjk_> *привет!
[16:30] <Toto02> hello
[16:30] <k1l_> !ru | Slonjk_
[16:33] <yeyeman> which is the libreoffice program for making pdf?
[16:34] <Daekdroom> yeyeman, you can use LibreOffice Writer and export it to PDF.
[16:35] <diuneigh> I am having a problem running synaptic.  the error is E: Type '<html><head><meta' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[16:35] <diuneigh> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[16:35] <diuneigh> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[16:35] <diuneigh> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[16:36] <Daekdroom> yeyeman, LibreOffice Draw and Impress can do it as well. Choose whichever suits more the type of document you need to make.
[16:36] <diuneigh> I believe this happened from trying to install sudo wget --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/$(lsb_release -cs).list && sudo apt-get --quiet update && sudo apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get --quiet update
[16:36] <diuneigh> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[16:36] <FloodBot1> diuneigh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:36] <llutz> diuneigh: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list.disabled
[16:36] <k1l_> diuneigh: what dies a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list" give you? please put in a pastebin
[16:36] <hitsujiTMO> diuneigh: medibuntus dead
[16:36] <illectronic> im trying to send custom log files to a log server using syslog. How can I do this?
[16:37] <k1l_> diuneigh: well yes, medibuntu is outdated
[16:37] <diuneigh> sorry.. let me use pastebin
[16:37] <llutz> k1l_: medibuntu is dead, no matter what his malformed sources.list file contains
[16:37] <diuneigh> how to remove medibuntu?
[16:37] <llutz> diuneigh: sudo /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list && sudo apt-get update
[16:37] <llutz> diuneigh: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list && sudo apt-get update
[16:38] <llutz> sry
[16:39] <llutz> diuneigh: and for libdvdcss https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[16:41] <diuneigh> llutz thanks..
[16:41] <diuneigh> I see that I don't need that if I installed restricted extras..
[16:48] <Serres_> hello People, I need some help installing ubuntu on my old desktop. Could anyone help me?
[16:51] <fer755> i have a trouble whit X startx works but X dont work to initiate a login manager how can resolve it?
[16:52] <juzemack> can anyone help me with a user/group/permission question?
[16:52] <jrib> !ask | juzemack
[16:52] <juzemack> :)
[16:53] <juzemack> I have 3 groups all containing a few users, I want to change permissions to a directory for all users of 1 particular group
[16:54] <juzemack> normally I would su as each individual user and do chmod g=rw *directory*
[16:54] <juzemack> is there a way that I can change the group permissions for all users in a specific group?
[16:54] <somsip> juzemack: chgrp -R {group} {directory} && chmod g+s {directory}
[16:54] <jrib> juzemack: a directory only has one group
[16:55] <juzemack> awesome
[16:55] <juzemack> thanks
[16:55] <somsip> juzemack: so that will allow any oft he 3 users to create files in there, or access existing ones.
[16:56] <jrib> somsip: your command doesn't affect permissions though
[16:56] <llutz> somsip: with default umask=0022... writing will be a problem
[16:57] <juzemack> the g+s does that?? could i also do: ...&& chmod g=rw {directory} ??
[16:57] <jrib> juzemack: does what?
[16:57] <somsip> juzemack: true, true. Adapt this: find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 sudo chmod 770; find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sudo chmod 660
[16:57] <jrib> somsip: that won't affect any new files though
[16:58] <llutz> somsip: still the problem when user1 creates a file, user2 won't be able to write/delete/change it
[16:58] <jrib> juzemack: i still don't even know what you want to do.
[16:58] <asshat_> if you apply it to the folder then it should
[16:58] <somsip> jrib: k - I'm missing something as I use this all the time, and recommnd it here too
[16:59] <juzemack> jrib: Im wanting to change an entire group of users permissions for a directory instead of su'n into all users individually to change their group permission to a specific folder
[16:59] <jrib> juzemack: why would you su to users individually?  What does that accomplish?
[16:59] <juzemack> thats why Im asking this lol :)
[16:59] <juzemack> im a student
[16:59] <asshat_> so you want to give sudo permission to all users in a specific folder?
[17:00] <juzemack> in 1 case yes
[17:00] <blacRose> Has anyone set up an HP ProLiant 380 G3 with Ubuntu? I've got it installed, but it doesn't seem to want to even go into GRUB.
[17:00] <juzemack> I have a group called accounting and they need g=rwx permissison for the accounting sub directory
[17:00] <somsip> juzemack: maybe clearer if you state your end goal. I may have misunderstood you
[17:01] <juzemack> no worries
[17:01] <TJ-> blacRose: boot disk order?
[17:01] <juzemack> i appreciate all the help
[17:01] <jrib> juzemack: to what end?  What do you expect the permissions to allow the users in the group to do?
[17:01] <asshat_> giving them group permissions with chgrp doesn't work?
[17:01] <juzemack> they need to be able to read write and execute content in their specific folder ie: xxx/accounting
[17:02] <jrib> juzemack: what is xxx?
[17:02] <blacRose> TJ-: no, it appears to be booting from the RAID array, however, it just goes to a blank black screen once it does
[17:02] <juzemack> jrib: xxx represents a parent folder
[17:02] <somsip> juzemack: ok - I totally misunderstood. Late-night help was a bad idea :) Good luck
[17:03] <juzemack> lol no probs somsip, thanks
[17:03] <jrib> juzemack: is there more than one xxx/accounting directory...?
[17:03] <juzemack> nope
[17:03] <jrib> juzemack: ok
[17:03] <juzemack> eg. bill and jane are in the accounting group.
[17:03] <juzemack> by default they dont have rwx permissions but I want to change that on a group scale
[17:03] <jrib> juzemack: should bill be able to edit files that jane creates in xxx/accounting?
[17:04] <juzemack> not by individual chmod command
[17:04] <juzemack> yes, if they are both in the accounting group
[17:04] <asshat_> juzemack: chgrpso you need 770 permissions
[17:04] <juzemack> ok
[17:04] <asshat_> chgrp*
[17:04] <llutz> asshat_: won't help on newly created files/dir
[17:05] <juzemack> so chgrp -R g=rwx {group} {directory} ?
[17:05] <jrib> juzemack: use access control lists if you want fine-grained control; otherwise you can setgid on xxx/accounting, change group ownership to accounting, and change bill and jane's umasks to 002.
[17:05] <jrib> juzemack: the latter option will not work recursively (i.e. if you have subdirectories in accounting that you want the behavior to persist in)
[17:05] <TJ-> blacRose: In the ACU, have you defined the boot controller (which must have a bootable logical volume)
[17:06] <juzemack> jrib: okie
[17:06] <MarkDavies> h
[17:06] <MarkDavies> why does the tab structure look differently in OpenOffice Writer and in vi?
[17:07] <MarkDavies> how can I deal with this problem?
[17:07] <blacRose> TJ-: I don't think I have. However, I've only got one logical volume configured at the moment
[17:07] <TJ-> blacRose: E.g. "controller slot=X modify bootcontroller=enable" and "controller slot=X ld 1 modify bootvolume=primary"
[17:07] <hitsujiTMO> MarkDavies: you mean the tab widths?
[17:08] <MarkDavies> hitsujiTMO: OK, I will show exactly what I mean
[17:09] <blacRose> Well, i'm downloading a the last version of the SmartStart software to see if I need to play with anything in there. I'll go check the BIOS setup again. I'm used to consumer hardware... this proprietary crap is such a waste of time
[17:09] <MarkDavies> just a moment
[17:10] <blacRose> and I'm not sure what ACU stands for, could you expound on that acronym?
[17:11] <TJ-> blacRose: You need to configure most of that offline, at POST time
[17:11] <Barrytheboy> high could someone help me create a folder in themes as it won't let me unless I do it as root
[17:11] <blacRose> yeah, that's what i'm trying to do
[17:11] <TJ-> blacRose: I think you need to read the basic manuals for that system
[17:11] <hitsujiTMO> Barrytheboy: do it in ~/.themes
[17:12] <blacRose> yeah, probably :/ I was hoping this would be a quick: put ubuntu disk in, install, done
[17:12] <Barrytheboy> im an complete novice I don't really know how
[17:12] <Barrytheboy> @hitsujiTMO I am a complete novice and don't really know what to do with that command
[17:13] <Barrytheboy> I tried copying it into terminal but I get nothing
[17:13] <blacRose> Barrytheboy: probably means: mkdir -p ~/.themes/NEWFOLDER
[17:13] <blacRose> that's just a guess though
[17:14] <hitsujiTMO> Barrytheboy: mkdir ~/.themes; nautilus ~/.themes
[17:14] <juzemack> is llutz still here?
[17:14] <Barrytheboy> I gone usr/share/themes but I cannot create a folder or drag one in
[17:14] <llutz> juzemack: ?
[17:14] <asshat_> Barrytheboy: sudo nautilus
[17:15] <juzemack> what you were saying before how the chgrp and chmod wont affect any future files, is that to say I will have to do the chgrp and chmod commands after any new subdirectories or files are created?
[17:15] <asshat_> Barrytheboy: then you can make stuff
[17:15] <llutz> juzemack: yes
[17:15] <juzemack> thus meaning its a shitty way to do things :)
[17:15] <fer755> Barry theboy sudo nautilus or create dir with sudo mkdir <dir>
[17:15] <hitsujiTMO> Barrytheboy: just use the personal themes directory (~/.themes), not the global one
[17:15] <llutz> juzemack: use ACLs
[17:15] <juzemack> okie thanks, I think what I have done is acceptable for my assignment but I am curious about this beyond school
[17:15] <juzemack> ok
[17:15] <hitsujiTMO> Barrytheboy: also, don't sudo nautilus. thats a really bad thing to do
[17:15] <juzemack> thx
[17:15] <juzemack> I will do some reading
[17:16] <FloodBot1> juzemack: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:16] <juzemack> ooops
[17:16] <fer755> hitsujiTMO is right u dont want create a global dir
[17:16] <llutz> juzemack: a start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[17:16] <Barrytheboy> cool thanks guys
[17:16] <juzemack> thx llutz
[17:17] <fer755> u may sudo nautilus but u wont do that
[17:17] <hitsujiTMO> fer755: gksudo not sudo for X apps
[17:17] <asshat_> llutz: could juzemack make a user, change the umask for that user and then set the suid on the folder?
[17:19] <llutz> asshat_: might do, but i'd suggest using ACLs
[17:19] <fer755> hitsujiTMO tks for that i dont know
[17:22] <MarkDavies> hitsujiTMO: I've identified the problem, tabs look differently when displayed in 10 size font and when displayed in 12 size font, but I still don't know how to fix it.
[17:24] <blacRose> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UkJ7lNGV
[17:24] <blacRose> TJ-: boot disk test output
[17:25] <kamhagh> Hi!!! i have a boot problem can i ask it here?
[17:26] <asshat_> kamhagh: that's what we're here for!
[17:26] <MarkDavies> sure
[17:26] <MarkDavies> How can I identify the very command that Ubuntu uses when printing?
[17:26] <kamhagh> well i installed ubuntu on my new pc for less then week i was happy but suddenly it now stucks at purple dots screen
[17:26] <TJ-> blacRose: Did you install Ubuntu-server or Desktop? which version? which architecture (32 or 64 bit) ?
[17:26] <kamhagh> it happened after i booted into windows 8 for showing game ubuntu desktop 64-bit
[17:27] <blacRose> server, 32-bit, 12.04 LTS
[17:27] <blacRose> looks like it's a 3.0.x kernel
[17:27] <asshat_> kamhagh: what have you tried?
[17:27] <blacRose> just the most recent 32 bit image from the ubuntu site
[17:27] <kamhagh> oh oh sorry! i thought  your talking to me:) anyway i had to run this: chkdsk /f to isntall
[17:28] <Sargun> Does anyone have info on how to create an S3 Ubuntu mirror?
[17:28] <kamhagh> hmm im accualy new to linux!! but when i press (ALT + CTRL + F4) i can log in!
[17:28] <TJ-> blacRose: OK, was the array configured when Ubuntu was installed? Because if even the GRUB boot-sector *was* being read by the BIOS at POST time, then you'd end up with a "grub rescue>" prompt. If you don't even get that, then the system's boot device order is incorrect
[17:28] <kamhagh> and tried reisntalling using liveCD but the option to reinstall is grey
[17:28] <blacRose> and in RBSU, i set it to be linux instead of server 2000
[17:29] <blacRose> hm, the first thing in the boot device order is (now) the hard drive. still goes to just a blank black screen
[17:29] <kamhagh> If you want i will post where it stock when i press ESC i also saw 3 fails
[17:29] <asshat_> kamhagh:  hit esc while it's booting and you can aat least see what it's stuck at
[17:29] <blacRose> *hard drive array controller i should say to be precise
[17:29] <TJ-> blacRose: Are you able to boot it from a live ISO CD/USB so we can check what is there?
[17:29] <hibban> Hey, can anyone help me with some issues? I'm new to the Ubuntu platform.
[17:29] <kamhagh> im posting it:)
[17:30] <kamhagh> im able to boot using a liveCD anyay
[17:30] <blacRose> it's only usb 1.1, but i did boot from the server install CD and ran through all of that
[17:30] <asshat_> hibban: yes
[17:30] <fer755> !give hibban ask
[17:30] <hibban> asshat_
[17:30] <kamhagh> always stuck here  "stopping startpar bridge for notification of upstart job start/stop"
[17:31] <blacRose> can the server install CD be used to get shell and mount the disk?
[17:32] <fer755> !ask | hibban
[17:32] <TJ-> blacRose: long time since I used that directly; I can't remember.
[17:32] <kamhagh> blacRose : do you want me to post the fail parts too?
[17:32] <blacRose> weird, putting the server install CD in immediately started to do something.
[17:33] <TJ-> blacRose: I seem to recall it does have a "rescue" option
[17:33] <blacRose> oh sorry kamhagh i wasn't trying to help you :)
[17:33] <kamhagh> sorry so ok
[17:33] <hibban> So, I can't get Adobe Flash Player. Whenever I click "Download Now" on the website, after choosing Ubuntu 13.04+, it opens up Ubuntu software center. Then, the Software Center says "PAckage not found".
[17:33] <blacRose> TJ- nevermind
[17:33] <blacRose> it appears to have booted now
[17:33] <kamhagh> asshat_ it stucks here:  "stopping startpar bridge for notification of upstart job start/stop" always
[17:33] <blacRose> :/
[17:34] <wctaiwan> how does Ubuntu's website sniff my language? It's not in my user agent string; I use an English OS with Chrome in English, and yet it offered a download link in Chinese (albeit simplified, rather than traditional, which is the variant I use)
[17:34] <blacRose> i put the CD into the drive then opened it and it started going through boot process sutff
[17:34] <blacRose> so confusing
[17:34] <TJ-> blacRose: what was it? Array rebuild delay?
[17:34] <blacRose> AH
[17:34] <blacRose> i'll bet that's it
[17:34] <blacRose> yeah, probably
[17:34] <TJ-> blacRose: try a few reboots to be sure!
[17:34] <juzemack> habban: have you done a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:34] <hibban> Did anyone see my issue?
[17:34] <blacRose> lol i will do
[17:35] <asshat_> kamhagh: this is 13.04 64bit?
[17:35] <hibban> No, I haven't.
[17:35] <kamhagh> asshat_: 13.10 64bit
[17:35] <juzemack> do that first
[17:35] <ferbivore> hibban: try searching for it through Software Center
[17:35] <TJ-> wctaiwan: probably some Javascript that looks at the system languages
[17:35] <juzemack> hibban: try doing the update and upgrade first then try again
[17:35] <wctaiwan> TJ-: Hmm okay, a bit creepy :P
[17:36] <aguitel> i installed ubuntu in spanish ,how remove spanish and install english ?
[17:36] <juzemack> heh
[17:36] <TJ-> wctaiwan: Try it with Javascript disabled :)
[17:36] <wctaiwan> TJ-: still sniffs o_O
[17:37] <wctaiwan> it's also not geolocating since I'm outside chinese speaking countries atm.
[17:37] <TJ-> wctaiwan: intriguing
[17:37] <asshat_> kamhagh: well it's a known bug so at least you're not alone, doing a bit more research into it
[17:38] <wctaiwan> very.
[17:38] <kamhagh> asshat_: i can login using ALT + CNTRL + F4 and run command like sudo apt-get install and get results while its showing booting!! and when isntalling i had problem installing alongside windows 8 so i ran chkdsk /f it fixed it
[17:38] <TJ-> wctaiwan: Have you used the Web developer tools to monitor the network traffic... maybe it is sending a language header
[17:38] <hibban> Is the update and upgrade the same thing?
[17:38] <asshat_> kamhagh: it's a problem with light dm
[17:38] <wctaiwan> TJ-: I'll do that.
[17:38] <ferbivore> aguitel: there should be a settings panel for language; selecting English and letting it install the language packs usually does the trick.
[17:38] <kamhagh> asshat_: what is light dm?
[17:39] <juzemack> no
[17:39] <juzemack> hibban: no
[17:39] <kamhagh> asshat_: oh its multi boot?
[17:39] <asshat_> kamhagh: it's a display manager
[17:39] <TJ-> wctaiwan: I'd bet it's the HTTP "Accept-Language:"
[17:39] <juzemack> hibban: update gets a new list and upgrade actually installs packages retrived from update
[17:39] <ferbivore> kamhagh: it's the thing that lets you log in
[17:39] <kamhagh> asshat_: hmm i got it! but anyway to fix it:(
[17:40] <asshat_> kamhagh: you might try installing gdm
[17:40] <kamhagh> asshat_ or download olderversion
[17:40] <hibban> Ah...
[17:40] <kamhagh> asshat_: oh ok i will search net for download thanks so much:)
[17:40] <asshat_> it should be in apt-get
[17:40] <asshat_> so apt-get install gdm
[17:41] <kamhagh> asshat_: oh ok thanks rebooting will tell you results:) thanks so much:) i hope i will also learn more about linux:)
[17:41] <hibban> It says unpacking replacement of different things, should this work?
[17:41] <kamhagh> rebooting...
[17:42] <juzemack> hibban: upgrade may ask you for a yes or no to continue just hit enter or type y
[17:42] <juzemack> other than that update and upgrade is pretty much done on its own
[17:43] <hibban> I pressed Y. It's in the process atm.
[17:44] <Lockzi> Hello, I am using OpenMediaVault (Debian based NAS distribution). I have mounted an NFS share, but am experiencing permission problems. What's best practice regarding setting up groups on NAS and on the clients? Currently all directories and files are owned by the group "users"
[17:44] <juzemack> hibban: if you have never done an update/upgrade it may take some time
[17:44] <Celelibi> Hello
[17:44] <Lockzi> Do you adapt the permissions on the client or server?
[17:44] <Celelibi> I have a friend Ubuntu 12.04 that needs to up upgrade g++ to some version that support c++11.
[17:45] <Celelibi> What's the good way to do this?
[17:48] <kamhagh> asshat_: hi its a little bit silly but it said for lightdm already isntalled and for gdm no package but incldued in gnome-control-center that when i wanted to install that said package not available
[17:48] <asshat_> kamhagh: sudo apt-get install gdm didn't find any packages??
[17:49] <kamhagh> no
[17:49] <kamhagh> asshat_: no but included in gnome-control-center-something i forgot:)
[17:49] <fpghost84> does anyone know possible reasons "cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch" would be missing (there is no fglrx driver installed)?
[17:49] <kamhagh> asshat_: sudo apt-get install lightDM also said last version already
[17:50] <asshat_> kamhagh: that machine has internet access right?
[17:51] <kamhagh> asshat_ yes it has
[17:51] <kamhagh> asshat_: its same also it showed me otehr packages
[17:51] <wctaiwan> TJ-: Nope. Accept-Language:en,en-GB;q=0.8 xD
[17:51] <hibban> If I upgrade with sudo, will all non-admin accounts on my computer get the upgrades as well?
[17:52] <wctaiwan> this is getting curioser and curioser.
[17:52] <Trudko> hi  guys I have windows next to ubuntu on one partition and I would like to safely remove ubuntu, is there anything whici I need to care about or can I just create bootable usb with gparted and reformat ubuntu part of disk?
[17:52] <juzemack> hibban: all other users should see system updates and upgrades
[17:52] <hibban> Okay.
[17:54] <hibban> I still don't have Flash. Also, Firefox says "would you like to install Flash?" then it says "No Suitable Plugins were found".
[17:54] <TJ-> wctaiwan: Did you see any other headers being sent by the browser that might explain it?
[17:55] <wctaiwan> nope
[17:55] <wctaiwan> I'm going to check my system settings and see if there's anything there...
[17:55] <asshat_> kamhagh: does it show anything unusual in dmesg?
[17:55] <wctaiwan> the only thing I can think of off the top of my head would be my input method (I have a chinese input method enabled)
[17:55] <wctaiwan> but I don't know how it can get that.
[17:56] <kamhagh> asshat_:havent tried dmesg i guess did one time forgot thats suppost to show dev/sda 1 or... right?
[17:56] <asshat_> kamhagh: it shows some logs
[17:56] <hibban> ?
[17:56] <kamhagh> asshat_: rebooting again!
[17:56] <asshat_> kamhagh: you don't have to reboot
[17:57] <juzemack> hibban: hold
[17:57] <TJ-> wctaiwan: I think you need to tcpdump/wireshark the port 80 traffic to figure it out... with javascript disabled of course. Does the page have any embedded <object> tags or advanced HTML5 stuff - that could do it
[17:57] <kamhagh> asshat_: than what should i do? windows command? oh i guess
[17:57] <asshat_> ctrl+alt+F2
[17:57] <asshat_> then login
[17:57] <asshat_> then do sudo dmesg
[17:57] <kamhagh> asshat_: didnt work in cmd i apologize my noobness:(
[17:57] <juzemack> hibban: try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:58] <ferbivore> juzemack: isn't it adobe-flashplugin nowadays? From the partner repo?
[17:58] <kamhagh> asshat_: oh then i should reboot to Ubuntu coz im using dualboot rebooting!
[17:58] <juzemack> oh
[17:58] <kamhagh> i mean do it?
[17:58] <juzemack> ferbivore: you are prolly right
[17:59] <asshat_> kamhagh:  yeah and read through it ans see if anything looks like an error
[17:59] <asshat_> kamhagh: shift pg up and pg down to scroll
[17:59] <kamhagh> rebooting... !
[17:59] <hibban> I believe this may work. Will I have to get Flash for different browsers? Or will this work for all.
[17:59] <belgianguy> will 3.13 appear in the mainline repo for saucy?
[17:59] <juzemack> hibban: should work with firefox
[18:00] <juzemack> if that doesnt work, try ....install adobe-flashplugin like ferbivore said
[18:00] <wctaiwan> TJ-: mystery solved. It's not sniffing at all.
[18:00] <hibban> juzemack: What about Chromium?
[18:00] <wctaiwan> it just links to the chinese version regardless.
[18:00] <TJ-> wctaiwan: :)
[18:00] <wctaiwan> I have no idea why.
[18:00] <juzemack> hibban: not sure, may have to read into that
[18:00] <wctaiwan> I tested on a computer other than my own. Link is still there.
[18:00] <juzemack> I dont use ubuntu for much other than programming and irc chatting
[18:00] <TJ-> wctaiwan: what link ?
[18:01] <wctaiwan> TJ-: http://ubuntu.com/ Under the download dropdown, chinese is shown as the last item.
[18:01] <wctaiwan> (more precisely, Ubuntu Desktop in Chinese.)
[18:02] <hibban> juzemack:  Success on Mozilla.
[18:02] <ferbivore> wctaiwan: it does that globally, indeed.
[18:02] <juzemack> hibban: excellent!
[18:02] <TJ-> wctaiwan: I know why that is; Canonical is doing a big push with Chinese ODMs and has staff and an office there with people who don't have good English
[18:02] <wctaiwan> Ah, okay.
[18:03] <TJ-> wctaiwan: Probably trying to capture the "next billion" :)
[18:03] <wctaiwan> It's as good a starting place for that as any, I suppose.
[18:03] <AAP__> heelo
[18:03] <AAP__> hello
[18:03] <wctaiwan> it helps that their home grown Linux didn't really go anywhere >_>
[18:03] <AAP__> i wanna install ubuntu in my office
[18:03] <AAP__> around 50 desktops are here
[18:04] <AAP__> is it right choice to move from windows to ubuntu ?
[18:04] <hibban> juzemack: And with Chromium! :D Thank you!
[18:04] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: if it suits the needs of the office, yes
[18:04] <kiw0> AAP__, what applications do you use?
[18:04] <juzemack> hibban: glad it worked out :)
[18:04] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: I think you need to research what ubuntu can o then perform a feasibility study
[18:04] <root> всем привет
[18:04] <AAP__> basically browser , FTP client , word processing
[18:05] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: yes it can do all that
[18:05] <AAP__> but heard ubuntu crashes sometimes
[18:05] <ActionParsnip> !rootirc | Guest24090
[18:05] <kiw0> ok, than thera are not problems...
[18:05] <hibban> juzzemack: Also, how do I lock apps onto the bar on the left?
[18:05] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: every OS crashes sometimes
[18:06] <krishnan> hi
[18:06] <AAP__> but my friends said ubuntu crashes often
[18:06] <krishnan> here after a long time
[18:06] <kiw0> AAP__, if you research stability you can chose debian
[18:06] <AAP__> sometimes it crashes the windows
[18:06] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: I have fewer crashes in Ubuntu than Windows
[18:06] <AAP__> i mean the open windows of applications
[18:06] <ferbivore> AAP__: for an enterprise deployment, you may want to try either the LTS version (12.04) or something completely different (e.g. CentOS)
[18:06] <AAP__> LTS versions are more stable than non LTS versions ?
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: yes, and supported longer
[18:07] <asshat_> kamhagh: put in these commands "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next & sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging"
[18:07] <AAP__> what about debian ?
[18:07] <AAP__> someone said debian is good now
[18:07] <glitsj16> hibban: right-click on their icon --> Lock to launcher
[18:07] <juzemack> hibban: im pretty sure you can just drag them there, no?
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> asshat_: really? something as crucial as the DE and ou are using a 3rd party source.
[18:07] <ferbivore> AAP__: Debian tends to be harder to set up.
[18:07] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: both ubuntu and debian are decent. Again, you will need to test
[18:07] <kiw0> debian is stable because use old package that are very tested
[18:08] <AAP__> kiw0: you support debian ?
[18:08] <kamhagh> asshat_: nothing sounded so wired but these things maybe 1% error! ::
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> kiw0: debian is rolling release so is more up to date
[18:08] <hibban> juzemack: Actually, I just did and it worked. For some reason it didn't before. Thanks. Good bye my friend. I've appreciated your kindness.
[18:08] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: so ubuntu is good for networking ?
[18:08] <glitsj16> AAP__: hardware specs of the 50 desktops will have a big impact, check if all the hardware is supported
[18:08] <asshat_> kamhagh: it looks like from what i'm reading you either have to go to 13.04 or install gdm instead of lightdm
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: yes, I cant think of a single modern OS that isnt
[18:08] <juzemack> hibban: any time
[18:08] <kamhagh> asshat_: eth0: link down for 2 times link is not read link becomes ready
[18:08] <tiblock> Hi. What desktop environment used ubuntu 8? I liked it very much.
[18:09] <kamhagh> asshat_: if its only login screen i dont ahve problem whit gdm
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> tiblock: Gnome, like it always has been
[18:09] <asshat_> kamhagh: gdm=gnome desktop manager=login screen
[18:09] <asshat_> kamhagh:  you are using lightdm right now light desktop manager
[18:09] <AAP__> anyone who quit windows completely ?
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: there isnt a windows PC in my house
[18:09] <ferbivore> tiblock: Gnome 2.x. If you want something similar, look up MATE.
[18:09] <kamhagh> asshat_: failsafe main something killed i can read you others but i did: sudo apt-get install gdm didnt find but inclduded in gnome-control-center
[18:10] <tiblock> ActionParsnip, i saw current gnome. Its different, so i thought its not gnome. What exacly version it was and can i use it now?
[18:10] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: really ?
[18:10] <tiblock> ferbivore, thank you
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> tiblock: its just a differnet shell, Unity. It's still Gnome
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: yes
[18:10] <tiblock> ActionParsnip, thank you.
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> tiblock: Cinnamon is in the official repos of Ubuntu now, may want to use that
[18:10] <asshat_> kamhagh:  you can add the ppas for gnome to get it or you can go back to 13.04
[18:10] <AAP__> what if you need to use any windows app ?
[18:10] <kamhagh> asshat_: when i did sudo apt-get install gnome-control-stuff it didnt find im searching net for how to isntall anyway i will download 13.04 if didnt work thanks btw:)
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: I web browse and chat online, why would I need to pay for an OS when a free one does what I need.
[18:11] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: I havent used a windows app in over 10 years outside of work
[18:11] <asshat_> kamhagh: to add the ppas sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next & sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging
[18:11] <asshat_> kamhagh: then do sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get install gdm
[18:11] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: you a web developer or programmer ?
[18:11] <ActionParsnip> kamhagh: install gnome-panel and you can use that session. You dont need any PPAs to get the classic Gnome session
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: no, like I said, web browsing and chat
[18:12] <AAP__> but web designers need to use photoshop
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: no they don't
[18:12] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: they can use any graphic package they like
[18:12] <cspeak> GIMP!
[18:12] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: really ?
[18:12] <AAP__> GIMP is good ??
[18:12] <wookie> wookie007
[18:13] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: They can use MS Paint if they want. they don't "have to" use anything
[18:13] <kamhagh> asshat_: im rebooting to try:| thanks anyway will tell you if worked else i will download 13.04 tonight!!!! my net is data limited every mb costs me lot of money:) r
[18:13] <cspeak> I know a lot of people that use GIMP and do amazing things with it.
[18:13] <kamhagh> rebooting...!
[18:13] <asshat_> AAP__:  GIMP is good if you know how to use it
[18:13] <AAP__> any problems with 13.10 release ?
[18:13] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: why do they "need to" use Photoshop if they dont want to?
[18:13] <cspeak> Personally, I can't use Photoshop or Gimp haha
[18:13] <asshat_> cspeak: amen to that!
[18:13] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: why do they "need to" use Photoshop if they dont want to?
[18:14] <kiw0> cspeak, i have installed GIMP on my pc some days ago, then I have watched  video tutorial on youtube
[18:14] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: any problems with 13.10 release ?
[18:14] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: none here, will you kindly answer my question please
[18:14] <kiw0> I think that it can to learn the fundamental in this way
[18:14] <AAP__> photoshop has more features
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: Trusty Tahr (Ubuntu 14.04) is out in a few months, you can upgrade directly to Trusty from Saucy (Ubuntu 13.10) in one jump
[18:15] <kiw0> yes AAP__ but photoshop is expensive
[18:15] <cspeak> kiw0: I tried using photoshop for YEARS, tutorial after tutorial. Then I tried GIMP for another year when I switched to Ubuntu. I just don't have an eye for graphical/UI design in ANY way, which really sucks. When it comes to system design, I love it!
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: But that doesnt mean they have to use it, Gimp is very modular so can have just as many features as photoshop
[18:16] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: your view of software is very skewed
[18:16] <AAP__> any bloggers here using ubuntu ?
[18:16] <compdoc> photoshop is pretty easy. doesnt speak much for your skillz
[18:22] <infern0> I want to make a windows version of lose lose anyone else interested?
[18:26] <daninoz> hi, how can I update the menu on ubuntu 13.10 gnome?
[18:26] <kamhagh> asshat_: add-res no command :( also gdm was already in a package that was the lastest! im donwloading 13.04 tonight:((( but also it works from 13.10 live CD and this problem happened after 3 days:(((  btw i guess i had taht 2 years ago my cousin fixed it hes in Germany now!
[18:26] <infern0> What do you mean update the menu?
[18:27] <kamhagh> asshat_: thanks for the help anyway:)
[18:27] <its> help. i have made an iso image in chroot environment using remastersys. however, when i boot with qemu it boots but when i made a usb bootable with it , it fails to boot. HELP
[18:27] <its> help
[18:28] <daninoz> infern0, sorry, edit the main menu
[18:28] <its> help
[18:28] <its> help. i have made an iso image in chroot environment using remastersys. however, when i boot with qemu it boots but when i made a usb bootable with it , it fails to boot. HELP
[18:28] <infern0> Ah, not sure in gnome sorry
[18:28] <infern0> usually use kde
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> kamhagh: Raring is EOL in a few weeks.
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> kamhagh: in fact, 7 days today
[18:34] <max68> ciao
[18:35] <max68> !list
[18:37] <xxx123> Hi
[18:38] <xxx123> I'm some what new to linux, besides linux admin jobs what are some other jobs you can get with knowing linux?
[18:39] <asshat_> xxx123: development positions
[18:39] <AAP__> whois satyanash2
[18:39] <AAP__> LOL
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: developer jobs, the commands for iptables and such are common in routers and switches whichCisco uses
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: graphic and audio packages may get you creative jobs
[18:41] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: you know networking cisco products ?
[18:41] <AAP__> ActionParsnip: you done Cisco certifications ?
[18:41] <asshat_> AAP__: i have, pain in the ass
[18:42] <AAP__> why asshat_ ?
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> AAP__: I query switches etc, not done courses but I can diagnose issues
[18:42] <asshat_> AAP__: why was it a pain in the ass?
[18:42] <AAP__> yes
[18:42] <xxx123> if i wanted to get my foot in the door somewhere what linux certification would i get ?
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: LPI-101 and LPI-102 as a start
[18:43] <asshat_> xxx123: start off with linux+ through comptia. that will get you lpi 101 and 102 as well
[18:43] <asshat_> AAP__: everything seems like it was made to be much more complicated than it needed to be
[18:44] <xxx123> ty
[18:45] <asshat_> xxx123: oh yeah, stay away from trainsignal stuff, they are out of date
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: besides windows admin jobs, what are some other jobs you can get with knowing windows
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: same question, sam answe
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> r
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: or are you unfamiliar with Windows to?
[18:46] <Teduardo> how do you disable xwindows on boot on 13.10?
[18:46] <asshat_> ActionParsnip: don't be an ass
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> Teduardo: add the boot option:  text
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> asshat_: i'm not, its a legit question to gauge ability and knowledge etc
[18:47] <its> help. i have made an iso image in chroot environment using remastersys. however, when i boot with qemu it boots but when i made a usb bootable with it , it fails to boot. HELP
[18:47] <its> please can someone help
[18:48] <xxx123> no i know windows fairly well and i know some linux
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: then my question is: how is knowing Linux any different to what your job prospects are if you know windows well?
[18:50] <AAP__> Quit:Leaving
[18:50] <AAP__> hello
[18:51] <xxx123> i dont want a windows job
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> asshat_: making the user think is not being an ass
[18:51] <nearst> how to install ia32-libs on amd64 saucy ?
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> nearst: its not needed if memory serves
[18:51] <its> please can someone help
[18:51] <its> help. i have made an iso image in chroot environment using remastersys. however, when i boot with qemu it boots but when i made a usb bootable with it , it fails to boot. HELP
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> xxx123: then you will need to reskill, its a different OS yes, but the job prospects are fairly evenly spread
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> its: if nobody knows, nobody will answer
[18:52] <its> help. i have made an iso image in chroot environment using remastersys. however, when i boot with qemu it boots but when i made a usb bootable with it , it fails to boot. HELP
[18:52] <nearst> ActionParsnip, but its require for some package to install
[18:52] <jhutchins> its: How are you transferring the image to the USB?
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> nearst: like what?
[18:53] <xxx123> so what your saying is that the 2 OS's  have pretty much the same jobs just in different flavors?
[18:54] <BWK> i have a fedora partition on my hdd and I want ubuntu boot loader to recognize it and i'll be able to choose which one to load. How would I do this?
[18:56] <Rasmus> .o/
[18:56] <asshat_> BWK: add it to the menu.lst
[18:56] <BWK> asshat_:how?
[18:56] <belgianguy> is it possible to use 13.10 with the 3.13 kernel?
[18:56] <jhutchins> BWK: update-grub should detect it and add it automatically.
[18:57] <asshat_> BWK: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/819-2379/fvbbb/index.html
[18:57] <DJones> belgianguy: Has it been released in the official Ubuntu repo's, if yes, then it should work fine, if not, then there's going to be a reason for that
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds pull the trusty mainline 3.13
[18:58] <amaroks> Hello
[18:59] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: yeah, I usually used those, but was wondering if my saucy would get upset with a trusty kernel
[18:59] <amaroks> I have onboard Intel G41 express video card and another AMD radeon card and I have 1 screen connected to each, on windows 7 both screens are detected while on UBuntu (latest) just 1 is detected any idea?
[18:59] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: its not exactly a "trusty" kernel. just package. It contains none of the pataches
[18:59] <hitsujiTMO> ubuntu patches*
[19:00] <asshat_> amaroks: is the intel or amd card not detected
[19:00] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: why do you want to use it?
[19:00] <asshat_> amaroks: oh shit real job calls. sorry
[19:00] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: to see if AMD is getting better at their GPU support
[19:01] <belgianguy> but as I'm on catalyst, I'll probably have to reinstall the driver for that kernel
[19:01] <amaroks> screen connected to AMD is not detected so AMD, even thpough I have the driver installed
[19:01] <amaroks> asshat
[19:01] <bigbadben> if I wanted to find some source code of a glib function is there a way to find it on my computer itself?
[19:01] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: afaik its the open drivers that have the improvements in the kernel, not the flgrx
[19:01] <jrib> z
[19:02] <jhutchins> amaroks: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics
[19:02] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: true, but I am curious about it, I probably am better off waiting
[19:02] <belgianguy> because I'll break my fglrx again
[19:03] <jhutchins> bigbadben: Sure, if you've installed the source code.
[19:03] <belgianguy> but I've broken it so many times that root shell is starting to feel like a second home :p
[19:04] <Slartibartfass> Can someone tell me why ubuntu is better then Debian?
[19:05] <belgianguy> Slartibartfass: 'better' is in the eye of the beholder methinks
[19:07] <hoodoowoo> (running 12.04) With a USB keyboard attached, I'm apparently not able to suspend my computer.  Symptoms: I select "Suspend" through the GUI, and the external monitor shuts off.  After about 15 seconds, it turns back on requesting my password.  /var/log/syslog suggests that it did suspend, but only for about a  tenth of a second.  Given that I want my USB keyboard to turn my computer on if I touch a button, is there a way to still all
[19:10] <lazypower> Can someone confirm this is still relevant to controlling a fan? Its dated 2011 so im' a bit leary of just randomly hacking on lmsensors http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed
[19:11] <lazypower> s/a fan/a gpu fan/
[19:12] <TJ-> belgianguy: re: kernel versions. I hit a major issue with 3.12 and 3.13 yesterday causing massive libata/AHCI disk read/write errors on boot on one of my test servers; not had chance to bisect it yet, but there can be unwanted effects like that
[19:14] <belgianguy> TJ-: ah, good to know, I don't know why, but 3.12 only got me into serious trouble once
[19:14] <belgianguy> but that was an RC iirc
[19:17] <TJ-> belgianguy: Not had a problem with any of the mainlines up to now; I use them by default.
[19:17] <belgianguy> TJ-: I'm very happy with them as well, but am a bit too eager to upgrade sometimes
[19:20] <lindgrenj6> so who wnats to discuss getting ubuntu installed alongside windows 8.1
[19:20] <ksmth> and again ... GOSH I hate my provider for making this so painful
[19:20] <Sungam> off topic: someone know about a channel about sysadmin stuff, or know how dynamic DNS works?
[19:21] <Pici> Sungam: ##networking perhaps? see also /msg alis help list
[19:22] <TJ-> belgianguy: I found 3.12+ fixed a nasty bug in the iwl4965 drivers causing errors/lost packets. Got a fleet of laptops with those cards so was pretty important
[19:23] <Euclidis> My hp pavilion dv6 is now running overheating. 70° C ...
[19:25] <TJ-> Has anyone had experience with GRUB's custom.cfg from "/etc/grub.d/41_custom" ?
[19:27] <Euclidis> TJ-: Suggest you install grub-customizer to do that with gui.
[19:29] <thirupathiji> hi
[19:29] <thirupathiji>  hii roryhuges
[19:29] <TJ-> Euclidis: no thanks! I work at the command line only
[19:30] <thirupathiji> have a kik
[19:31] <thirupathiji> hi
[19:31] <pancakes9> hi, if I am setting up a new ec2 instance that lots of people are going to be using, what's the best way to work with file permissions?
[19:31] <pancakes9> whether I ahve groups setup or not, do I just have to chmod everything these users will be using? or is there an easier way to do it?
[19:38] <TJ-> Anyone with experience of installing tianocore's DUET with GRUB instead of syslinux?
[19:39] <felix42okok> ls
[19:40] <yacc> What packages provides 32bit runtime libraries for Ubuntu 13.10 64bit?
[19:41] <TJ-> yacc: multi-arch libs are installed as <libpackagename>:i386
[19:41] <Gamer-X> this works great for getting the 32 bit binaries in 64 bit
[19:41] <Gamer-X> its what I use all the time
[19:41] <Gamer-X> http://xpressrazor.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/ubuntu-13-10-32-bit-packages/
[19:42] <Gamer-X> just install them and be done with the error messages
[19:42] <yacc> TJ: libpng-12-0:i386?
[19:43] <yacc> Gamer-X: a nice 249MB download ;)
[19:45] <Gamer-X> hope it helps... It stopped most of my 64 bit headaches.  I ultimately went back to 32 bit, as I could not really tell that much of a difference and the errors for 64 bit get frustrating over time.
[19:45] <culpn8r> is there anything like http://www.beelinereader.com/ for terminal. mainly trying to have a way to colorize text for reading on the terminal with less
[19:47] <juzemack> how can I add a user to sudoers that allows them to change passwords of other users except the root
[19:47] <starrats> help please, loaded up ubuntu on my partitioned HD this AM and it got all the way past the little red dots going back and forth and then it just stalled, would not open up at all, waited a good 5 minutes or longer,
[19:48] <felix42okok> sd
[19:49] <TJ-> juzemack: You can't easily; you'd have to create an application that controlled their access
[19:49] <Corpsman_> General Question: Is there a build of Ubuntu Server 13.01 for x86, or it only on x64 arch now?
[19:49] <TJ-> juzemack: then add that application to a restricted list of applications the user(s) can launch, in the sudoers config
[19:49] <Corpsman_> <sorry not 13.01 but 13.10)
[19:50] <Euclidis> is there any driver with video tearing problem fixed? AMD
[19:50] <Corpsman_> General Question: Is there a build of Ubuntu Server 13.10 for x86, or it only on x64 arch now?
[19:50] <TJ-> Corpsman_: "PC (Intel x86) server install image"  http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/
[19:51] <Corpsman_> k. why is that difficult to find on teh mainpage? am I teh dumb, or is it forcing x64 on everyone?
[19:51] <Corpsman_> thank you @TJ
[19:54] <TJ-> Corpsman_: because except for legacy, there's almost no demand for i386 on server platforms nowadays
[19:54] <starrats> NEED HELP!  see above post
[19:55] <Corpsman_> Ya. unless your a developer of .deb packages and have to support and test all x86 and x64 versions of Ubuntu =)
[19:55] <Corpsman_> thanks again @TJ
[19:58] <geblack> ubuntu
[19:59] <leonbravo> I'm using ubuntu 12.04 currently, I'm expiencing troubles for using the gtalk pluging in firefox and chromium.  I tried installing Chrome, but as all executables are installed in /opt/... all these files seem to be banned for execution. I tried all flavours of commands to allow execution, but It only can be accessed for sudoers.   other words: If I try /opt/google/chrome$ ./google-chrome I get a permission denied  and with sudo ./
[20:00] <diuneigh> can someone help me with some function of xchat?
[20:05] <Pici> diuneigh: You might get faster/better help by asking in #xchat
[20:08] <starrats> no one wants to help me or anyone else, maybe there is a dev mtg everyone is at
[20:08] <anew> how can i just echo something back at me from bash
[20:09] <Pici> anew: echo "something"
[20:09] <jhutchins> starrats: We're just fellow users here.  Sometimes someone knows what's happening on your system, sometimes nobody who's around knows.
[20:10] <starrats> ah okay jhutchins
[20:10] <jhutchins> starrats: The more you can tell us about what you've tried to do and how you'ce tried to fix it the easier it will be for someone to make a suggestion.
[20:10] <starrats> well if you scroll up the page and find my nick I did explain my problem.
[20:11] <starrats> I posted it at 14:47
[20:11] <jhutchins> Yep.  Installer stalled out.  Did you check the alternative consoles?
[20:12] <starrats> alternative consoles?
[20:12] <jhutchins> starrats: One of the problems with installer problems is that most of us only run the installer once per computer we own.
[20:12] <jhutchins> starrats: Alt-F1, F2, etc.
[20:12] <ferbivore> starrats: did you actually install Ubuntu? Or is the installation media not booting?
[20:12] <starrats> ah okay, this is a Toshiba laptop running win7
[20:12] <jhutchins> starrats: I run the RedHat installer a lot, it has four screens, not sure about ubuntu.
[20:13] <Euclidis> is there any driver with video tearing problem fixed? AMD
[20:13] <starrats> it got as far as the little red dots going back and forth and then it went blank then purple and so on
[20:14] <Euclidis> why people install 32bits libraries on 64?
[20:14] <jhutchins> Euclidis: Some software has not been portd to 64 yet, typically media software.
[20:14] <rovi889> ciao
[20:14] <ferbivore> starrats: again, did you install Ubuntu, or is it just the installer DVD not booting?
[20:14] <rovi889> !list
[20:15] <starrats> then it just stalled, waited for 5 minutes and gave up.  I installed ubuntu
[20:15] <Euclidis> jhutchins: does it fix tearing problem with radeon card?
[20:15] <starrats> ubuntu DVD did not boot all the way then
[20:15] <jhutchins> Euclidis: No idea.
[20:16] <jhutchins> Euclidis: You're the first to mention such a problem.
[20:17] <Euclidis> jhutchins: at all? Nobody get video tearing problem using amd driver?
[20:17] <tworkin> im having trouble at installation time. my partition table isnt being read correctly, it sees the disk as empty
[20:17] <mknight> MKRAND - A Quantum Cellular Randomness Well : http://www.tag.md/public/mkrand-TA1.tar.gz
[20:18] <anew> i am trying to system(qw(sudo killall openvpn)); in a perl script but it doesnt seem to be executing?
[20:32] <dinges> hello
[20:33] <dinges> howdy
[20:35] <dinges> heeeeeeeeeelllllooooooooooo
[20:35] <Munster> we see you dinges
[20:35] <dinges> lol
[20:35] <dinges> jesus christ
[20:36] <Pici> k
[20:36] <jhutchins> tworkin: gpt?
[20:37] <tworkin> jhutchins: yes using the graphical tool that 12.04 LTS uses during install
[20:38] <jhutchins> !gpt
[20:38] <tworkin> jhutchins: current theory is that enabling hw RAID is causing some difference between windows/linux partition reading
[20:38] <tworkin> jhutchins: changed the controller to IDE compat mode and reinstalling windows first
[20:39] <jhutchins> !install
[20:42] <Munster> tried to give Unity a chance, but I went with gnome shell instead. It's more to my taste due to easier access
[20:46] <aarontc> hi guys, I have an Ubuntu VM which kernel panic'd, and dmesg shows this: http://hastebin.com/gequyeqube.xml
[20:46] <aarontc> is it a lost cause?
[20:50] <nooob> Lol, I was tweaking the start up programs and I accidentally uninstalled unity, when I log in I get my screen background and nothing else, I used hotkeys to open the terminal and typed unity to start it, but it says unity is not currently installed XD
[20:50] <ferbivore> aarontc: google turns up https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/22598 and a few oops.kernel.org logs. Try booting from a livecd and running fsck on your filesystems.
[20:51] <tworkin> agh GPT still isnt reading my partition table
[20:51] <TJ-> tworkin: GPT *is* the partition table!
[20:51] <aarontc> ferbivore: okay, thanks
[20:52] <tworkin> TJ-: whatever you call this graphical paritioning tool
[20:52] <Silent> Hello
[20:52] <aarontc> ferbivore: could take a while, it's a 50TiB partition :)
[20:52] <jhutchins> nooob: Start with apt-get -f install, then apt-get install unity
[20:52] <TJ-> tworkin: ahhh... "gparted" by any chance?
[20:52] <jhutchins> nooob: I'm not sure what the key package for unity is.
[20:52] <jhutchins> !unity
[20:52] <tworkin> TJ-: most likely. the one that the installation media uses
[20:53] <lawr> l
[20:53] <lawr> l
[20:53] <lawr> Is this channel ran by Marxists?
[20:53] <jhutchins> tworkin: Did you read the links that ubottu supplied about the installer?  There might be something about gpt there.
[20:53] <Bashing-om> nooob: Ya might try -> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop <- see if that will get your desk top back (??) .
[20:53] <Guest60984> Can someone help me out with a bootable USB drive? If anyone has knowledge of partions, and disk management, formatting, etc please text me one on one.
[20:53] <yacc> aarontc 50TiB?
[20:53] <tworkin> jhutchins: yes
[20:53] <TJ-> tworkin: which version of Ubuntu?
[20:53] <ferbivore> aarontc: in light of this information, I wish to restate the obvious fact that I offer no warranty of any kind.
[20:54] <aarontc> yacc: yes, 50TiB, with about 15TiB used IIRC
[20:54] <nooob> jhutchins: I was trying to get rid of the bloat ware like zeitgeist etc, and I accidentally got rid of the whole unity desktop, will reinstalling it also reinstall zeitgeist,etc?
[20:54] <aarontc> ferbivore: understood ;)
[20:54] <tworkin> TJ-: 12.04 lts
[20:54] <Guest60984> Anyone?
[20:55] <jhutchins> nooob: Try it and see.
[20:55] <yacc> well, 16 4TB discs?
[20:55] <jhutchins> nooob: You might want to run with the default configuration until you figure out what different parts do and how they're related.
[20:56] <Bashing-om> Guest60984: we work in the open here to beifit all, state your problem.
[20:56] <TJ-> tworkin: This ought to help http://askubuntu.com/questions/225439/create-a-gpt-on-a-new-volume-during-installation
[20:56] <aarontc> yacc: 22 4TB disks
[20:56] <tworkin> TJ-: there is a builtin RAID controller, which I've disabled in bios. Windows is isntalled and boots fine, but gparted only sees a blank disk
[20:57]  * yacc managed to break the 10TiB level
[20:57] <lawr> yacc: badman
[20:57] <Guest60984> Bashing-om: I want to make a bootable USB drive, in order to boot a password recovery tool for Windows 7.
[20:57] <yacc> in his desktop ;)
[20:57] <aarontc> yacc: I'm running a storage cluster with Ceph... desktop only has 3TiB :)
[20:58] <Guest60984> I need help as I am not very experienced
[20:58] <ferbivore> Guest60984: is it linux based? Unetbootin can usually handle anything you throw at it.
[20:58] <TJ-> tworkin: Is the existing partitioning scheme MBR or GPT? Is the motherboard firmware BIOS or UEFI?
[20:58] <jhutchins> Guest60984: The source for the tool should have instructions on how to set it up.
[20:59] <jhutchins> Guest60984: This is not really a Ubuntu question, is it?
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Guest60984: here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 and http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[20:59] <kancha> hi
[21:00] <kancha> I need some help, I am new in sed command. I need to delete the content of file after line 30
[21:00] <kancha> how to delete it
[21:00] <kancha> hee namaskar
[21:00] <yacc> aarontc well it's just my home office PC, not exactly a storage cluster
[21:00] <Guest60984> ferbivore: I'm on an Ubuntu computer, but I want to make the bootable USB drive, with the program on it from this Ubuntu computer. Using the USB, I want to boot from it on a Windows 7 computer to recover my password on that computer. But as far as
[21:00] <aarontc> kancha: 'head -n 30 file' > newfile?
[21:00] <tworkin> TJ-: MBR i believe. whatever win7 defaults to. I see both UEFI and BIOS options in the boot menu
[21:01] <kancha> ok
[21:01] <kancha> but I had one more problem
[21:01] <tworkin> TJ-: I just deleted everything, created a GPT via gparted, and two partitions for the two OSes. now installing windows again and try to leave the partition table alone during install
[21:01] <Guest60984> ut as far as needing someone's help here, I need someone to make it so I can make that flash drive bootable.
[21:01] <yacc> kancha, just a guess "30,$d", but is really just guess
[21:01] <kancha> that is: I had one folder that has 10 folders, in each of the folder there are 80 files
[21:01] <aarontc> Guest60984: try just 'dd if=myimage.iso of=/dev/sdZ' where 'sdZ' is your flash drive, that should do it for you
[21:01] <kancha> now I want to do for all of them at once
[21:02] <TJ-> tworkin: If it is Win7 64-bit it'll be a UEFI+GPT system.
[21:02] <yacc> tworkin, stop, you need at EFI partition on top of the OS partitions
[21:02] <jhutchins> Guest60984: Ok, so it IS an Ubuntu question. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[21:02] <Guest60984> Could someone take remote accesss to mycomputer and do it?>
[21:03] <kancha> I had one folder that has 10 folders, in each of the folder there are 80 files and each files content need to be deleted after line 30
[21:03] <kancha> this is the problem
[21:03] <tworkin> yacc: the 100mb junk partition windows creates for restore or whatever?
[21:03] <TJ-> tworkin: Looks like we're both having fun then! I'm currently installing win7-64bit images on BIOS+GPT systems. That requires the BIOS->GRUB>Tainocore DUET EFI shim
[21:03] <yacc> guest60894 not exactly a good strategy on a public internet channel
[21:03] <ferbivore> Guest60984: so your password cracker is an application, not an entire distribution like ophcrack. Grab a Ubuntu .iso and use the built in "USB creator" to put it on a stick.
[21:03] <jhutchins> kancha: Look at the manpage of find, see the exec option.
[21:03] <tworkin> TJ-: does this mean i should boot the installation media via UEFI instead of via BIOS?
[21:04] <kancha> aarontc I had one folder that has 10 folders, in each of the folder there are 80 files and each files content need to be deleted after line 30
[21:04] <Guest60984> Okay.
[21:04] <Guest60984> Bye.
[21:04] <jhutchins> kancha: Look at the manpage of find, see the exec option.
[21:04] <yacc> tworkin the junk partitions where the junk boot loader lives
[21:04] <TJ-> tworkin: the Win7 100MB system-reserved partition, on BIOS installs, contains the boot-loader.
[21:04] <tworkin> i see
[21:05] <TJ-> tworkin: Yes, if you want an UEFI install you have to start it in UEFI mode
[21:05] <kancha> jhutchins: I had gone through but could not find that much helpful
[21:05] <yacc> tworkin UEFI has kind of changed the boot process quite a bit
[21:05] <ihre> Is there an easy way to overstretch the vertical height of the screen? I'm trying to remove the tool bar from Google Earth for a kiosk style pc.
[21:06] <kancha> I had one folder that has 10 folders, in each of the folder there are 80 files and each files content need to be deleted after line 30
[21:06] <tworkin> win7 reporting an error installing on a GPT partition :|
[21:07] <tworkin> at least it sees the work gparted did..
[21:07] <kancha> \msg aarontc I had one folder that has 10 folders, in each of the folder there are 80 files and each files content need to be deleted after line 30
[21:07] <tab1293> I have ubuntu server running in virtual box within ubuntu desktop. I have virtual box guest additions installed but when I maximized the vm's window it still is only like a quarter of the screen. how can I fix this?
[21:07] <aarontc> kancha: as was mentioned by jhutchins,read the 'find' man page :)
[21:07] <ferbivore> ihre: you know you can move windows, right? Alt+click & drag with most window managers, and there are command line tools to do it automatically.
[21:08] <ihre> ferbivore: sorry, I had to mention I use tinywm, instead of Unity. Which tools are you referring to?
[21:09] <tworkin> TJ-: yacc:	boot mode and partition table format at separate problems right? i.e. either boot mode for the installation media should be able to see the hdd identically?
[21:10] <ferbivore> ihre: wmctrl, maybe? http://tomas.styblo.name/wmctrl/
[21:10] <kancha> \msg aarontc  jhustchins http://pastebin.com/PeYhChHX
[21:11] <jhutchins> kancha: No, not the exec manpage, the find manpage.
[21:13] <kancha> \msg jhutchins you are talking "find" manpage. I was thinking sed will help me
[21:13] <kancha> I had gone through sed
[21:13] <kancha> already but the problem is I had delete the conent not only of one file but also 100 files that are stored in separte folders
[21:14] <aarontc> kancha: that's why you use 'find' to exec whatever command you want to run on each of the files separately
[21:14] <jhutchins> kancha: Yes.   You will use find to obtain the name of the file.  You will pass that filename to the -exec function of find, which will execute your sed command ( or beter yet, the head command that was suggested earlier ).  You can then use the name provided by find as the output file, or as a portion of the output file.
[21:15] <jhutchins> s/file/filename.
[21:15] <belgianguy> well, seems fglrx isn't yet supported by 3.13
[21:15] <belgianguy> got to spend some time with my root shell again
[21:16] <aarontc> belgianguy: I think you mean fglrx doesn't yet support 3.13
[21:16] <belgianguy> aarontc: correct, neither does the AMD binary driver btw
[21:16] <kancha> oww
[21:16] <kancha> ok
[21:16] <kancha> great thanks ,,, I will try
[21:16] <aarontc> it's always out-of-tree projects' responsibility to support the kernel, not vice versa
[21:16] <aarontc> (their own fault for not getting in-tree, really)
[21:17] <belgianguy> aarontc: ah, good to know that
[21:17] <belgianguy> nobody has ever explained it that way to me :)
[21:17] <belgianguy> but that makes a lot of sense
[21:17] <aarontc> belgianguy: :)
[21:17] <aarontc> that's the biggest benefit of getting your code in the kernel tree, it will get upgraded with internal APIs change...
[21:17] <jhutchins> belgianguy: When the kernel is plunging madly ahead, it can be a good idea to hang back a bit while other projects catch up.
[21:18] <aarontc> but that requires GPL licensing and certain coding standards which some people can't meet
[21:18] <aarontc> I think the licensing issue is why the AMD(ATI) and nVidia drivers aren't in-kernel, primarily
[21:18] <belgianguy> jhutchins: true, eventually it'll arrive naturally for Ubuntu
[21:18] <belgianguy> aarontc: yeah, they're closed source
[21:18] <jhutchins> aarontc: Also, there are things that are not logical parts of the kernel tree and don't belong there.   Traditionally, the GUI is not part of the kernel tree, KMS notwithstanding.
[21:19] <jhutchins> aarontc: fglrx will probably never be part of the kernel.
[21:19] <aarontc> jhutchins: true, but that's being fixed. X's direct access to hardware is kind of a major problem :)
[21:19] <belgianguy> I tried reading a kernel rc changelog once, I didn't understand a thing of it
[21:19] <belgianguy> unrelated btw, but is fglrx forever broken? I seem to have read something in that regard
[21:20] <belgianguy> that something went wrong at one point, but never got corrected
[21:20] <belgianguy> but I assume it still gets updates
[21:20] <jhutchins> aarontc: The Windows model of the GUI being an essential part of the base system is a major problem.  It's why a lot of people leave Windows for Linux.
[21:20] <aarontc> jhutchins: the kernel's ability to abstract a GPU the same way it abstracts a NIC has no relation to 'GUI being an essential part of the base system' ;)
[21:21] <jhutchins> aarontc: I believe the GUI should be entirely seperate from the kernel and base system.
[21:21] <jhutchins> aarontc: If it gets much more integrated, we'll have to fork the kernel.
[21:22] <aarontc> jhutchins: entirely true, but the hardware should be fully abstracted for whatever GUI you want to run. just like you have a collection of ethN devices that all behave the same way in user space, so should gpu0..gpuN
[21:23] <aarontc> the kernel's job is to manage the hardware and present it uniformly to user space
[21:23] <jhutchins> aarontc: I believe your analogy is flawed, networking is a kernel function, graphics are not.  We are off topic though, continue in ubuntu-offtopic if you want.
[21:23] <aarontc> fair enough on the off-topic point :)
[21:24] <yacc> aarontc nics are one or two magnitudes simpler
[21:32] <nooob> jhutchins:  Bashing-om, alright I tried what both of you said and rebooted and there is no change,  btw the login screen is normal, it's only once I log in that there is no dash or anything like that, workspace switcher also works as well
[21:33] <donj_> can someone tell me how to install the opera internet browser using the terminal?
[21:33] <donj_> sudo apt-get install opera doesnt work
[21:33] <roninn> is there any command to "empty" a file
[21:33] <aarontc> roninn: "echo > file"
[21:34] <roninn> "file exists"
[21:34] <ham1> donj_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[21:35] <aarontc> roninn: are you saying it didn't work?
[21:36] <nobitanobi> Hi. Where can I download the Tahoma font for Ubuntu/Linux? I need the ttf file
[21:36] <kiw0> donj_, wget http://www.opera.com/download/get/?id=35889&location=360&nothanks=yes&sub=marine
[21:36] <beandog> aarontc: isn't there some way to do it with touch?  maybe? *poor memory*
[21:36] <kiw0> then
[21:37] <kiw0> dkpg -i "name package"
[21:37] <beandog> aarontc: oh, n/m, that'd work for new files
[21:37] <aarontc> beandog: there are at least 20 different ways to do it, I just remembered that way first :)
[21:37] <beandog> aarontc: heh, yah, I was just wondering if echo would create a newline or not
[21:37] <roninn> aarcane, yes
[21:37] <roninn> aarontc, yes
[21:37] <ham1> nobitanobi, do you want to know how to install the ttf or.. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tahoma+ttf
[21:38] <aarontc> roninn: well, you must not have permission to the file, because it does work
[21:38] <kiw0> donj_, sudo dpkg -i
[21:38] <nobitanobi> ham1, I need to put the fonts into my .fonts folder and push it to a remote repository
[21:38] <roninn> I'm root
[21:38] <aarcane> roninn, I think not.
[21:38] <beandog> aarontc: ooh, it does.  intrasting.
[21:38] <roninn> maybe it affects that I have solaris
[21:38] <nobitanobi> ham1, how do I know that ttf is for Ubuntu or Windows?
[21:38] <beandog> aarontc: echo -n > /tmp/foo
[21:38] <beandog> there we go
[21:38] <Bray90820> Anyone wanna help me silence the fans on my "MacPro"
[21:38] <aarontc> roninn: maybe :)
[21:38] <roninn> beandog, no difference
[21:39] <aarontc> Bray90820: only if you want to damage hardware... otherwise, reduce your CPU load ;)
[21:39] <donj_> kiw0 can you pm me
[21:39] <beandog> roninn: do you have write access to it?
[21:39] <beandog> that's not gonna return any output
[21:39] <k1l> roninn: what ubuntu version are you on?
[21:39] <aarontc> roninn: try it from within bash
[21:39] <roninn> doesn't root have all access
[21:40] <roninn> oh yeah bash works
[21:40] <roninn> stupid old sh
[21:40] <Bray90820> aarontc: it's not because of cpu load it's just because ubuntu doesn't have proper fan control by default
[21:40] <aarontc> Bray90820: every mac system I've ever seen has a builtin system management controller that handles that in hardware
[21:40] <Bray90820> aarontc: this is the tower mac which doesn't have it
[21:41] <aarontc> Bray90820: you can look here for pointers: http://www.idleengineers.com/topics/projects/laptop-fan-control/
[21:41] <Bray90820> aarontc: it's a desktop not laptop
[21:41] <rJaspur> hi, on my osx machine i connect to my nas with the afp-protocol. is it possible to do something like that, to connect to a specific folder of my vps with ubuntu 12.04 ?
[21:41] <aarontc> Bray90820: doesn't matter, the principle is the same, and that bash script can give you a place to start
[21:41] <Bray90820> Alright
[21:42] <aarontc> Bray90820: (direct link to script: https://redmine.techtonium.com/projects/automatic-laptop-fan-control-script/repository/revisions/master/entry/custom-fancontrol )
[21:42] <Bray90820> aarontc: thanks
[21:43] <aarontc> Bray90820: of course, you mess with that stuff at your own risk ;)
[21:43] <Bray90820> aarontc: of course :)
[21:45] <aarontc> Bray90820: I actually have to kill the VM hosting that site but it'll be back in a minute, just a heads up
[21:45] <yacc> aarontc, sorry my new laptop does fan control nicely, so I guess it's a question how will the BIOS of firmware handles it
[21:46] <Bray90820> aarontc: just ping me when it's back
[21:46] <aarontc> yacc: why are you apologizing?
[21:47] <yacc> irc on a tablet with an auto correcting keyboard sucks
[21:47] <beandog> yacc: heh
[21:47] <fpghost84> Could anyone please help me discover if my GPU is muxed or muxless?
[21:47] <waterlubber> I have a corrupt hard drive, one of my partitions is reading "FAILURE IS IMMINENT" qnd Ubuntu is giving me bad heath reports
[21:48] <waterlubber> How do I fix the bad sectors? It's on an NTFS partition, I partitioned the drive before installing Ubuntu. Luckily, its on the Windoze side.
[21:48] <aarontc> waterlubber: you should copy your data off ASAP because the drive might fail at any moment
[21:49] <yacc> waterlubber you replace the hardware
[21:49] <waterlubber> Well it's on another patition, Ubuntu is nice and happy on it's side.
[21:49] <bubbasaure> waterluber, do you have it backed up of not due it now
[21:49] <waterlubber> 99% of the important pictures. It's an old machine, nothing important other than old pics
[21:49] <fpghost84> I have a iGPU: Intel HD 4400, and dGPU: AMD Radeon 8670 M (8000M) series, would anyone know if this is muxed or muxless, and how indeed I find out either way
[21:50] <yacc> waterlubber HDD tend to die as a while
[21:50] <yacc> what do you mean by muxed?
[21:51] <beandog> yacc: glad I'm not the only one ....
[21:51] <aarontc> Bray90820: site back up :)
[21:51] <Balzy> hello, I have an Issue with standby, when I close my laptop it goes into standby mode regularly, but when I open it back it seems to wake up for a second and suddenly falls back into standby again, latest kubuntu version, any idea please?
[21:51] <Bray90820> aarontc: Thanks
[21:52] <k1l> yacc: on muxless hybrid video systems the strong video card is just used for rendering and is not connected to the output devices
[21:52] <waterlubber> Sorry. Thunderbird froze.
[21:52] <waterlubber> Can't I just delete the bad partition, or is the corruption physical?
[21:52] <yacc> i see, and why does that matter?
[21:53] <fpghost84> yacc: That is a good question! My understanding is muxed each of the two cards is connected to the display and can work independedtly, we can power one off say, but muxless only iGPU connected to display , but i can offload calcs to the more powerful dGPU if it selected....
[21:53] <fpghost84> yacc: it matters to me because, I'd like t kill the dGPU as the drivers are buggy
[21:54] <Bray90820> aarontc: it says there are instructions on the get repository but i can't find any
[21:54] <waterlubber> I think it might have to do with the fact that for years the computer was randomly killing the CPU since the heat sync by the fan was entirely fully clogged with dust.
[21:54] <bubbasaure> waterluber, your description reqds as physical.
[21:54] <Nazara> hello
[21:54] <waterlubber> reqds?
[21:54] <bubbasaure> reads
[21:54] <waterlubber> Let me open up disk utils and tell you what it says
[21:55] <fpghost84> But I am really not sure how I find this kind of thing out....
[21:56] <k1l> fpghost84: best is to ask the manufacturer
[21:56] <yacc> fpghost you can run only with the intel drivers
[21:56] <aarontc> Bray90820: the instructions are in the README file, but they are basically just how to make it run as a system service on Gentoo Linux... you can just modify the bash script to suit your particular SMC chip's services in /proc and go from there
[21:56] <fpghost84> k1l: you think I will need to email AMD then? sigh
[21:57] <bubbasaure> waterlubber, I have to return to class, good luck.
[21:57] <Bray90820> aarontc: alright
[21:57] <Bray90820> i don't know enough so i think i'll pass
[21:57] <k1l> fpghost84: no the manufacturer form that notebook
[21:57] <fpghost84> yacc: what do you mean?
[21:57] <fpghost84> k1l: Oh, Lenovo then...yeah maybe I should give them an email then
[21:58] <waterlubber> Here it is: Reallocated Sector Count: FAILING:  Normalized: 135 Worst: 135 Value: 519 sectors
[21:58] <waterlubber> Can that be fixed with a defrag?
[21:58] <yacc> fpghost84: well at least my laptop has been running Intel only water install, and too get Optimus running i had to manually install the stuff
[21:58] <infern0> http://www.stfj.net/art/2009/loselose/
[21:58] <yacc> after install
[21:59] <infern0> I want to make a linux or windows version of lose lose so I beat the high score
[21:59] <waterlubber> What does that mean?
[21:59] <yacc> waterlubber nope, that means harddisc hardware is failing
[21:59] <fpghost84> yacc: Yeah, my laptop runs also with just intel (I've blacklisted the radeon driver and have not installed the proprietary fglrx), but the dGPU still draws a lot of power and heat
[21:59] <TJ-> fpghost84: See this post (and maybe use "aticonfig --px-dgpu" or other options of aticonfig) to find out. http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=1930450&pp=75
[22:00] <Balzy> posting again, if someone can help:
[22:00] <Balzy> hello, I have an Issue with standby, when I close my laptop it goes into standby mode regularly, but when I open it back it seems to wake up for a second and suddenly falls back into standby again, latest kubuntu version, any idea please?
[22:00] <fpghost84> yacc: I'd like to turn the dGPU completely, but for some reason vgaswitcheroo is not present, despite all my various attempts. The wiki says the system must be muxed for it to be there...so hence...
[22:00] <waterlubber> How? The realltocated sectors might be from just a R/W error since the computer had a lot of overheats (The heat ducts were completly filled with dust)
[22:00] <TJ-> fpghost84: according to that thread "aticonfig --pxl" lists activated GPU and "aticonfig --px-igpu" activates the iGPU
[22:00] <fpghost84> TJ: thanks, I;ll have a read
[22:01] <kmitchel1> Hey, my update-grub isn't recognizing my fedora partition.
[22:01] <fpghost84> TJ: yes, I've played with aticonfig, when I had fglrx installed, but does the ability to switch through that really tell me anything about if I'm muxed/muxless?
[22:02] <waterlubber> Have to try another IRC since thunderbird hangs every letter I type
[22:02] <beandog> waterlubber: xchat is nice
[22:03] <TJ-> fpghost84: If by muxed you mean the outputs are multiplexed, then by implication they must be otherwise the entire scenario would be pointless
[22:03] <fpghost84> TJ: as far as I can see, it just tells me I have dual switchable graphics, aticonfig -- px-dgpu, could just route off the hard calcs to the dgpu, but if my machine is muxless they';; need to come back through the igpu to the display
[22:03] <yacc> fpghost84 well my laptop is a desktop replacement so it's expected to work as a heater :-)
[22:03] <esiodo> hi there
[22:03] <glitsj16> Bray90820: there's a package called macfanctld that might offer what you're looking for --> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/tag/macbook-pro/
[22:04] <TJ-> fpghost84: It does say "aticonfig --px-igpu # Activate integrated GPU (Power-Saving mode), must re-start X to take effect"
[22:04] <fpghost84> TJ: whereas selecting aticonfig --px-igpu makes the igpu do the hard calcs to and send them direct
[22:04] <yacc> fpghost try it, reboot if the display goes dark
[22:04] <fpghost84> TJ: so?
[22:04] <TJ-> fpghost84: that says "power saving mode" which was the aim of your original question, wasn't it? To save power?
[22:04] <moldy_diaper> i have Ubuntu running in a VM and I have configured it with two virtual network adapters.  However when Ubuntu starts up, it only activates one of the network adapters. i have to ifconfig up eth1 every time i reboot the VM.  how do i get Ubuntu to bring it up automatically instead?
[22:04] <Tritonio> so i've set my swappiness to 100. yet the swap is barely used. Is there something I am missing?
[22:05] <Bray90820> glitsj16: thanks i'll have a look
[22:05] <TJ-> fpghost84: for more technical details you'd need to check the technical references for the make/model of PC you have, and possibly check with the manufacturer
[22:05] <yacc> moldy etc/ network/interfaces
[22:06] <fpghost84> TJ: Here is the story, I started life out with fglrx and switching my gpus with aticonfig, but the driver is buggy as anything, hence I had to get rid. Now I am running solely with the intel drivers/intel card, and no bugs...all good...the one problem is the dgpu still draws power and heat
[22:06] <yacc> tritino, w hat's your ram size
[22:06] <fpghost84> TJ: so the real question is how to turn off the dgpu without the bugg fglrx
[22:06] <fpghost84> TJ: I was hoping I could do it (now that I have uninstalled fglrx) with vga switcheroo
[22:06] <TJ-> fpghost84: Could you do it via KMS and radeon?
[22:06] <fpghost84> TJ: that was my hope
[22:06] <moldy_diaper> sorry i forgot to mention, yacc, this is ubuntu server and I don't have a desktop installed
[22:07] <moldy_diaper> yacc, do you know how to go about it via command line?
[22:07] <yacc> tritino dd if=/dev/zero bs=16384kk count=1 of=/dev/null
[22:07] <fpghost84> TJ: but /sys/kernel/debug/vga/switcheroo does not exist for me, and after trying all the suggestsions I found, I wondered if it might be because my system is not muxed. Hence I landed here to find out
[22:07] <yacc> moldy man interfaces
[22:08] <moldy_diaper> yacc, ok thanks
[22:08] <yacc> thhatsthe traditional config file
[22:08] <fpghost84> TJ: I've tried booting with modeset=1, confirmed that switcheroo=y is on in kernel config opts, confirmed the fs is mounted, but still not switcheroo
[22:08] <fpghost84> TJ: it's bizzarre
[22:09] <TJ-> fpghost84: Isn't it provided by the OS drivers, radeon or nouveau?
[22:09] <moldy_diaper> lol so yeah adding the entry to /etc/network/interfaces was all i had to do... thanks yacc!
[22:09] <yacc> tritino the dd command allocates 16GB memory to pushout memory
[22:09] <fpghost84> TJ: no, not directly, if you use radeon and intel drivers, the literature seems to point to use switcheroo
[22:10] <fpghost84> TJ: (if nouveau maybe it's bumblee project instead)
[22:10] <fpghost84> TJ: but for me switcheroo isn't there oddly
[22:10] <fpghost84> TJ: and the only reason I could think maybe why is that my system is indeed muxless, cf https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[22:10] <marlo> i'm having a problem with ejabberd, and finding that it's based on erlang that may have some bugs in it; question: how do I down-grade erlang using apt?
[22:11] <TJ-> fpghost84: "drivers/gpu/vga/vga_switcheroo.c:8: * vga_switcheroo.c - Support for laptop with dual GPU using one set of outputs"
[22:11] <TJ-> fpghost84: make/model is?
[22:11] <fpghost84> TJ: Laptop is Lenovo Thinkpad S540, dGPU is AMD Radeon 8670m, iGPU is Intel HD 4400
[22:12] <TJ-> fpghost84: "  /* we're ready if we get two clients + handler */"  ... that suggests you need both radeon and intel kernel modules loaded (the 2 clients) in order for it to work
[22:13] <fpghost84> TJ: very interesting
[22:13] <TJ-> fpghost84: Just to check you've done this? "In the BIOS settings you have to select "Switchable Graphics" and the computer will boot up with the internal graphics card (in my case Intel 4500) turned on."
[22:14] <KI7MT> TJ-, did re-seating the RAM fix your md5 issue?
[22:15] <fpghost84> TJ: This is the thing I am confused about, and another small twist in the tail: so radeon doesn't offically support my card yet (8670M) it is too new. So to get my laptop to work without the fglrx driver, I needed to have an xorg.conf that only specified the intel device, if I try radeon there my system does not boot
[22:15] <fpghost84> TJ: nevertheless the radeon module has loaded (lsmod | grep radeon confirms)
[22:15] <fpghost84> TJ: I don't have such an option in my BIOS unfortunately
[22:15] <TJ-> fpghost84: I'm guessing you are the "Azrael84" in some forum posts on this subject?
[22:15] <fpghost84> TJ: you guessed correctly :)
[22:16] <fpghost84> TJ: it's been driving me crazy for a few weeks
[22:16] <TJ-> fpghost84: that's good - gives me more context
[22:16] <TJ-> fpghost84: If the BIOS doesn't have the option I'd say that is a BIG clue that system can't do it
[22:17] <aarontc> is there some configuration I can add to grub to prevent the occasional issue where my Ubuntu VM will boot but there is no console? (just left with 'fsck from util-linux 2.20.1' on a line by itself and nothing else)
[22:17] <aarontc> disabling framebuffer or something maybe?
[22:18] <dash09> hi #ubuntu, i'm having a strange graphics issue that only affects USER_1 but not USER_2? how can i make sure they have identical configurations?
[22:18] <kmitchel1> wadup
[22:18] <dash09> i have tried Ubuntu Unity Plugin through ccsm, i have tried in Terminal, mkdir ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.gnome* ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.gconf* ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.metacity ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.cache ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.dbus ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.dmrc ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.mission-control ~/.old-gnome-config/ && mv ~/.thumbnails ~/.old-gnome-config/   && ~/.config/dconf/* ~/.old-
[22:19] <fpghost84> TJ: yeah, so I think it's probably muxless? everything routing through the intel which is only one connected to the display? Hence the aticonfig selection, never really turns off the intel, it just outsources hard calcs to dgpu
[22:19] <dash09> and still the problem persists for USER_1. any thoughts for where to look woudl be appreciated as i can't find my problem on askubuntu
[22:19] <kmitchel1> ay how do I cure my boot loader to include fedora?
[22:19] <ayodhya> getting error when installing jdk
[22:19] <fpghost84> TJ: Nevertheless, whilst muxless would mean the intel always had to be on, I can't see why it couldn't fully turn off the dgpu
[22:20] <fpghost84> TJ: I just worry that because xorg dies when I try to configure radeon (possibly because of the fact the card is too new), this could maybe be the reason instead that the vga switcheroo is not loading, despite the fact lsmod shows radeon module
[22:20] <Jordan_U> kmitchel1: sudo update-grub
[22:20] <dash09> i think i have a Unity problem
[22:21] <fpghost84> TJ: but that thought it completely unfounded
[22:24] <TJ-> fpghost84: Have you compared with the Windows installation? Does it provide a tool to switch?
[22:25] <Jordan_U> kmitchel1: If "sudo update-grub" doesn't detect your Fedora installation then please run boot info script and pastebin the RESULTS.txt.
[22:25] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | kmitchel1
[22:26] <fpghost84> TJ: windows installation has the fglrx like AMD catalyst control centre to switch, basically the equivalent of aticonfig command line but gui
[22:26] <fpghost84> TJ: in fact you can use this AMD ccc on linux too instead of aticonfig, same command
[22:27] <donj_> i crashed i think
[22:28] <Bray90820> aaearon: you seem to know somewhat about this
[22:28] <TJ-> fpghost84: The user manual just says "To achieve the best balance between the computer performance and a long battery life, depending on the graphics quality demand of the running program and the settings of the power plan that you use, the AMD Switchable Graphics feature automatically switches between High Performance Graphics and Energy Saving Graphics, with no need to restart your computer, close programs, or intervene manually."
[22:28] <Bray90820> would you happen to know how many sensors are in a 2010 MacPro
[22:29] <Bray90820> aarontc: or aarcane sorry i don't remember who i was talking to before
[22:29] <fpghost84> TJ: Interesting, I'm not sure about the know need to restart, and dynamic switching..hmm..obviously not on linux, but I swear restart was needed in windows
[22:29] <aarontc> Bray90820: output of 'ls /sys/devices/platform' ?
[22:29] <belgianguy> fpghost84: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU3Njg about 8670 AMD GPUs...
[22:30] <dash09> hello, any ideas where i might look to solve graphics/display problems on USER_1 and have no problems on USER_2? when i click dash, the desktop panel becomes illegible
[22:30] <Bray90820> aarontc: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8ejbDw1K
[22:30] <fpghost84> belgianguy: I think the Oland (see islands series) is not mine, mine is 8670M (solar system series)
[22:30] <fpghost84> sea*
[22:30] <aarontc> dash09: post screenshots to compare expected vs the current problem
[22:30] <donj_> who helped me?
[22:31] <kiw0> me
[22:31] <belgianguy> fpghost84: oh I see, learned something
[22:31] <dash09> aarontc: will pastebin allow a screenshot?
[22:31] <dash09> if not, where?
[22:31] <aarontc> Bray90820: ls /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768 ?
[22:32] <goosie2020> Has anyone here ever installed Ubuntu to a USB drive with persistence and changed Unity to something like KDE?
[22:32] <aarontc> dash09: I know imgur.com will
[22:32] <goosie2020> Sorry I didn't say hello!
[22:32] <fpghost84> TJ: anything in the vga switcheroo source that suggests some other requirements? does it looks for some muxed/muxless signiture?
[22:33] <Bray90820> aarontc: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sYQrjaV7
[22:33] <belgianguy> goosie2020: why not use Unetbootin and get the distro you want from the start?
[22:33] <belgianguy> the Ubuntu installer is fine, but Unetbootin offers nearly all linux flavours
[22:34] <goosie2020> That's what I did originally but I had issues with the persistence working with Unetbootin so I switched to UUI
[22:34] <belgianguy> (including the *Ubuntu ones)
[22:34] <aarontc> Bray90820: output of 'for x in /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/temp*_input; do echo $x:; cat $x; echo; done'
[22:34] <TJ-> fpghost84: I see this suggests the S540 *is* switchable (check the last post on 01-17-2014) http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-Edge-S-series/Windows-8-1-update-S440-ThinkPad-black-screen-with-flickering/td-p/1275313/page/12
[22:35] <goosie2020> I really don't necessairily want KDE I just want the old look and feel of Ubuntu...not the Unity look
[22:35] <Bray90820> aarontc: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9bZgbV2g
[22:36] <TJ-> fpghost84: Can you do "lspci -nnk | grep -A2 VGA | pastebinit" ?
[22:37] <fpghost84> TJ: It is certainly "switchable", as I say I have no problem performing the switch with aticonfig, if I could live with the other bugs in fglrx, but I'm not sure that implies "muxed" (by which I mean each gpu is independently connected to monitor), since it could just mean outsourcing to dGPU from iGPU, but always rereouting back through iGPU for high performance mode
[22:37] <aarontc> Bray90820: I would ignore all the ones with values of 0 or -127000... the rest look like they are probably valid values in centidegrees Celsius
[22:37] <aarontc> Bray90820: I mean millidegrees, sorry
[22:37] <Bray90820> So that would be how many?
[22:37] <fpghost84> TJ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6788574/
[22:37] <fpghost84> TJ: the ati card does not show as VGA
[22:37] <aarontc> Bray90820: you can count them as easily as I can ;) and you can look at the tempnn_label filese to see if they have sensible labels, too
[22:38] <Bray90820> yea
[22:38] <aarontc> s/filese/files
[22:38] <Bray90820> i will do that
[22:38] <marlo> if i want to roll erlang back a version or two, how do i query apt to see what older versions are available?
[22:38] <fpghost84> TJ: but here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6788577/
[22:38] <Bray90820> aarontc: also what is an max tenp
[22:38] <aarontc> Bray90820: for what?
[22:38] <Bray90820> The computer
[22:39] <aarontc> depends on what's being measured
[22:39] <Bray90820> The internal temp
[22:39] <TJ-> fpghost84: thanks... I needed the PCI vendor:product IDs to compare with the driver code. Which version of Ubuntu are you using, and in particular, which kernel ("uname -r") ?
[22:39] <aarontc> you have a couple sensors showing 80 degrees Celsius, which is quite high unless it's the GPU or CPU...
[22:39] <fpghost84> TJ: 13.10 and uname -r
[22:39] <Bray90820> aarontc: It probally is gpu and cpu
[22:40] <fpghost84> TJ: sorry 3.11.0-15-generic
[22:40] <aarontc> Bray90820: not likely... those have builtin temperature diodes which are measured via their own drivers, this is just thermocouples that the Apple system management controller can measure
[22:40] <fpghost84> TJ: many thanks
[22:40] <Bray90820> aarontc: someone told me that the mac pro doesn't have that
[22:41] <aarontc> Bray90820: well they were wrong. the files you're looking at right now are from the kernel driver for the Apple system management controller
[22:41] <aarontc> (which, by the way, controls your fan speeds automatically based on temperatures without you having to do anything)
[22:42] <Bray90820> aarontc: well they also said that a mac pro was the only mac that was safe to put ubuntu on so i probably shouldn't trust them
[22:42] <TJ-> fpghost84: with the radeon driver, if it finds vgaswitcheroo facilities you'll see in dmesg/kern.log "radeon: switched on" or "radeon: switched off"
[22:42] <aarontc> Bray90820: on second thought, the 80 degree measurement could be one of your hard disks, those get pretty warm without bad consequences... but 80 is still really high
[22:42] <aarontc> Bray90820: so there is probably a reason your fans are going full tilt
[22:42] <Smrtz|Lab> Hey, I'm getting a lot of errors at boot after I've installed a new dameon.  Is there a way to just skip the current dameon, or do I have to use recovery mode to fix this?
[22:43] <Bray90820> aarontc: there not full speed but they are louder then they are with osx
[22:43] <aarontc> Bray90820: when you turn the system on and it's cold, do the fans run at full speed from the moemnt you turn it on?
[22:43] <donj_> I'm trying to install mplayer but I'm getting missing dependencies. Can anyone help?
[22:43] <dash09> aarontc: here is my screenshot after left-click on Dash Home, http://imagebin.org/287871
[22:43] <fpghost84> TJ: nothing like that, but wouldn't that be after I utilised switcheroo?
[22:43] <dash09> this only occurs on USER_1, not USER_2
[22:43] <TJ-> fpghost84: That's in the radeon device init routines
[22:43] <dash09> so it is a user-specific problem
[22:43] <fpghost84> TJ: the logs do show "[drm] radeon: power management initialized" however
[22:43] <milamber> donj_: what is the exact error message you are getting?
[22:44] <TJ-> fpghost84: just prior to those messages is a test for the vgaswitcheroo functionality... that test immediately returns if there is no support, thus not printing those messages
[22:44] <Smrtz|Lab> Can anyone help me skip the current dameon please?
[22:44] <Smrtz|Lab> My computer won't boot.
[22:45] <fpghost84> TJ: so why would there be no switcheroo found?
[22:45] <TJ-> fpghost84: that message is unrelated, it comes from "drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_pm.c"
[22:45] <dash09> my Unity graphics problem, when i left-click on Dash Home, i see things like this: http://imagebin.org/287871  --any ideas why?  this only happens for USER_1, not USER_2
[22:45] <rabah_wheezy> can any  one help me the problem of ffmpeg when i use vokoscreen
[22:45] <TJ-> fpghost84: either that combination/model isn't supported yet, or the hardware probes return false
[22:45] <milamber> donj_: please keep messages in channel
[22:46] <milamber> !pastebin | donj_
[22:46] <aarontc> dash09: that looks like a problem with your compositor or your GPU RAM
[22:46] <milamber> donj_: did you do: sudo apt-get -f install    ?
[22:46] <dash09> aarontc: so why do i only see problem when working as USER_1, but not as USER_2 on same machine?
[22:47] <fpghost84> TJ: well that is eminantly probable, as radeon driver does not support my card yet...but I thought it just might run well enough (with the NoAccel option set or some such) to turn the darn thing off
[22:47] <aarontc> are you running the same compositor for both users, dash09?
[22:47] <fpghost84> TJ: could you link me the source code please?
[22:47] <fpghost84> TJ: do you happen to know which bit probes the HW or decides whether vgaswitcherroo switches..
[22:47] <motherbrain> this is a very general question is if one went thru most linux distro's from the 3 branches debain , slack , redhat  and also went thru the 3/4 versions of "free" bsd based os's (i.e free, open,net,dragonfly,..etc) would there be any other linux/unix like operating systems that he would be missing interms of uses or learning different commands/skills
[22:48] <aarontc> Bray90820: more specifically, does the speed of the fans vary at all while you're in Linux, from a cold system? I realize they might go to full when you turn the system on and then slow down or something, but by the time you see any sign of Ubuntu running, do the fans vary at all?
[22:48] <merandus> How can i change my system's time? i want to set it to a specific timezone. with commandline ofc
[22:50] <donj_> sorry had to use the restroom
[22:50] <donj_> no i didnt use that sudo command
[22:50] <Bray90820> aarontc: the fans are fine with every os but ubntu and it does not very speed just one constant speed not full speed tho
[22:50] <milamber> donj_: you should try that first
[22:51] <motherbrain> I know we have the solaris but that didn't really have to much difference in things ones I learned the above
[22:51] <donj_> its doing stuff
[22:51] <aarontc> Bray90820: well, I find it very unlikely that the fans are regulated by a software driver in OS X or windows on your machine, since every apple machine I've encountered does that in hardware (although it can be overridden by software...) either way, I would find out what those really high temperatures are before you do anything to the fans, because you might have some process stuck that's making your CPU get really hot or
[22:51] <aarontc> something
[22:52] <donj_> i think its working haha
[22:52] <Bray90820> aarontc: on my macbook they are quiet
[22:52] <motherbrain> Os/2 and eComStation IBM based OS I never got to uses since they are properiatry/not free so curious to see what they look like or how hard they are to uses
[22:52] <TJ-> fpghost84: source is in "drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/" and "drivers/gpu/vga/vga_switcheroo.c"
[22:52] <aarontc> Bray90820: exactly, so there is probably a problem that is making the fans run, rather than a lack of control
[22:53] <fpghost84> TJ: thanks
[22:53] <motherbrain> Mac OS/X though I never really used it it seems to be the same as BSD or linux distro's when it comes to terminal non X-11 graphical enviroment
[22:54] <dash09> aarontc: i'm not sure if i'm using the same compositor or not, i don't yet know what a compositor is. however, i think the easy solution would be to make the 'graphics files' of USER_1 look like those of USER_2 (where there are no problems)
[22:54] <motherbrain> The browser for Mac OSX is easy to uses
[22:54] <Bray90820> aarontc: i should note from the time I boot my computer till the time OSX loads the fans are the same speed as when booted to ubuntu but when OSX is loaded the fans are much quieter
[22:54] <fpghost84> TJ: from the radeon_switcheroo_set_function, I'm surprised I don't see either switched OR switched off in the logs
[22:54] <dash09> aarontc: is it possible that using 9 workspaces instead of 4 is an issue?
[22:54] <motherbrain> The rest cann't really say HFS+ ,...Cocoa, xcode
[22:54] <fpghost84> TJ: surely the if else, must do one or the other there..
[22:54] <merandus> i have changed my time zone using webmin, but my logs still show show logs with the previous  timezone settings
[22:54] <xup> hi, how networkmanager configures 3G network? I need to do the same he does, but, I can't install him
[22:55] <OerHeks> Bray90820,  did you install the mactel ppa for fancontrol ?
[22:55] <aarontc> dash09: that could be it... I'm not really sure since I don't use unity. you can always solve the problem by just running as the new user
[22:55] <Bray90820> OerHeks: that made the fans actually run at full speed
[22:55] <motherbrain> DoS is fun to go back and see how trivial it was. As well as other disk based os's
[22:55] <aarontc> motherbrain: is there a point to your rambling?
[22:56] <k1l> merandus: urgs, webmin :/
[22:56] <motherbrain> Don't know about novell netware only saw pictures and read about a few of there protocals
[22:56] <k1l> merandus: use tzdata to set timezone
[22:56] <motherbrain> My point is I am curious if somebody know a list of exotic os's out there that I haven't tried
[22:57] <merandus> k1l: tzdata? the command doesn't seem to be exist....
[22:57] <k1l> !ot | motherbrain
[22:57] <dash09> aarontc: i could, but i have copied my /home/USER_1 folder and already done a reinstall and done a unity --reset and now see this problem
[22:57] <aarontc> dash09: so don't copy your user folder
[22:57] <k1l> merandus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[22:58] <merandus> k1l: thank you
[22:58] <motherbrain> I have to say with a virtual system one can test any OS that is free or able to obtain in realitively quick time.
[22:59] <k1l> merandus: and think about using webmin. it was banned form debian and ubuntu repos for ruining config files
[22:59] <k1l> !ot > motherbrain
[22:59] <aarontc> thank you, k1l :)
[22:59] <fpghost84> TJ: one message in my logs "radeon 0000:06:00.0: No connectors reported connected with modes" is that relelvant?
[23:00] <merandus>  learn linux entirely and never use web UI, but is there any alternative solution?k1l:  i'll have to
[23:00] <tworkin> TJ-: thx for help earlier, dual boot is finally in place
[23:00] <fpghost84> TJ: I think it is the same message I get when I try to configure xorg.conf for radeon and the system does not boot
[23:00] <merandus> k1l: wo that was messy. i mean is there any other free softwares like webmin?
[23:01] <k1l> merandus: its easier to take 15min and to read how to setup the right way instead of using some "helper" that makes a lot more work afterwards
[23:01] <TJ-> fpghost84: "no connectors" suggests it isn't muxed .. can never share the output ports, but I'm not familiar enough with that code to be certain, you'd need to talk to Dave Arlie
[23:02] <Tajha> okay, this is probably a really stupid question, but I haven't messed around with command line stuff too much. I'm getting bash: [directory]: No such file or directory. Where is it getting that directory from? (it's when running a version request)
[23:02] <merandus> k1l:  right
[23:02] <goosie2020> Not trying to interupt the convo...but if I could have your attention for just a second. Is there a way to set the default window manager?  I've created a User account now so I was wondering if there is a way to make the normal
[23:03] <goosie2020> Ubuntu login show up instead of the "Try/Install" menu
[23:03] <k1l> Tajha: can you pastebin the whole command and the output please?
[23:03] <fpghost84> TJ: OK, if it isn't muxed, does that mean I will never be able to use the AMD card except via fglrx drivers?
[23:03] <fpghost84> TJ: I am fine with that, I am just curious
[23:04] <lassegs> after an update that failed, i havent been able to load iwlwifi module. That means i cannot connect to wireless networks and 'lshw -c network' says my wlan card is unclaimed. How can I fix this? Maybe i can reinstall iwlwifi somehow?
[23:04] <TJ-> fpghost84: I'm not sure that's what it means, I'd suspect it just means the outputs are only connected to the Intel GPU... which hands off intensive work to the AMD part
[23:04] <Tajha> k1l, do you really want me to use pastebin for two lines?
[23:04] <k1l> Tajha: i dont know how much it is :)
[23:06] <fpghost84> TJ: yeah, I suspect that too, maybe when the radeon updates to support my card, I can use switcheroo to switch even if it is muxless...hmm
[23:06] <lassegs> sudo modprobe iwlwifi returns libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:791 kmod_module_insert_module: could not find module by name='iwlwifi'
[23:06] <cloneG> hello may I ask you something?
[23:07] <cloneG> is there a way to tell ubuntu system to shutdown after a virtualbox machine ends installing updates?
[23:07] <bekks> Nope.
[23:07] <bekks> You would have to script that, heavily.
[23:08] <Jordan_U> cloneG: Why does the host need to reboot when the guest finishes updating?
[23:08] <BSpero> Am I in the right place to get some guidance on installing some software on my 13.10?
[23:08] <TJ-> Jordan_U: so you can go to bed leaving the host to shutdown after the VMs have updated :)
[23:09] <Jordan_U> BSpero: It depends a little bit on the software, but probably.
[23:09] <HDRDanny> Was using ! in query chat.
[23:09] <HDRDanny> sorry.
[23:09] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Ahh, I misread "shutdown" as "reboot", that does make sense.
[23:09] <damn3dr> hello, need a hand on dependencies erros on ubuntu 13.10 trying to install gnome-shell ( 3.10)
[23:09] <BSpero> It is phppgadmin
[23:10] <TJ-> cloneG: The way I do it is to monitor the cpu usage of the host's hypervisor process ... once it has been at its lowest point for 5 minutes, the cron job initiates a shutdown if it is after midnight
[23:10] <cloneG> Jordan_U not reboot but shutdown
[23:10] <KI7MT> damn3dr, What have you done thus far?
[23:10] <Tajha> k1l, it's kind of a generalized question.... like I said, the command was a version request and the output was bash: [directory]: No such file or directory I just want to know where it would be looking to find [directory].
[23:10] <HDRDanny> Jordan_U, "sudo shutdown -r now"
[23:10] <damn3dr> depends on gir1.2-mutter-3.0 (>= 3.10.0) but won t be installed, tryed to install gir1.2 got another depedency with same error, tried to install the missing package
[23:10] <HDRDanny> is what you're looking for.
[23:11] <maxlefou> hi there. I have a sound issue with ubuntu 13.10. the sound is crackling in some softwares like audacity (but is strangely find on other things like audacious)
[23:11] <damn3dr> until i got into the packaged is allready installed and is updated
[23:11] <HDRDanny> maxlefou, try changing drivers.
[23:11] <maxlefou> my soundcard is a HDA intel
[23:11] <cloneG> TJ- and how do you script that?
[23:11] <k1l> Tajha: that depends heavily on the command you are running
[23:11] <maxlefou> where can i find drivers for that one?
[23:12] <Bray908201> aarontc: i guess i could live withe the noise it's not really all that loud
[23:12] <KI7MT> damn3dr, Did you add the ppa before trying to install ?
[23:12] <damn3dr> KI7MT: yes
[23:13] <damn3dr> KI7MT: added ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next . ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[23:13] <Bray908201> aarontc: what's a safe RPM for the fans anyways
[23:13] <cloneG> TJ- is there an easy way to schedule that?
[23:13] <aarontc> Bray908201: it depends on the temperature of the system
[23:14] <Bray908201> What would be a safe temp then
[23:14] <KI7MT> damn3dr, This is a descnt how too .. I'd first try purging the ppa, then add and -f update, then install the packages again: http://askubuntu.com/questions/364781/try-to-install-gnome-shell-in-saucy
[23:15] <fpghost84> TJ: thanks for all the help
[23:15] <damn3dr> KI7MT: ill try thanks
[23:16] <xup> hi, how networkmanager configures 3G network? I need to do the same he does, but, I can't install him
[23:17] <KI7MT> damn3dr, you may also need staging and the gnome-shell0extensions: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging && sudo apt-get -f update  &&  sudo apt-get install gnome-shell gnome-shell-extensions
[23:17] <KI7MT> *gnome-shell-extensions
[23:18] <KI7MT> damn3dr, also, make sure to update && upgrade "before" installing gnome-shell or the extensions
[23:20] <lassegs> i solved my problem. seemed the kernel headers, linux image etc wasnt installed because of the broken update. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   fixed it.
[23:20] <lowrezguy> can I specify which monitor I want to add a new mode to with xrandr? doing xrandr --newmode places my mode on the wrong monitor
[23:21] <ruth> Hi, guys, I have minecraft and want to download some free mods. I downloaded mod installer and tried to get "mini clay soldiers" but it doesn't work, so I took off my system.  Soooo, does anyone know how to get mods for minecraft in Ubuntu 12.04? already have minecraft.
[23:22] <ruth> or I don't know how to use it. I downloaded the linux version.
[23:22] <ruth> anyway, ya, I erased from my system
[23:23] <pmo> hey im having issues installing ubuntu with my dvd drive, can anyone help me?
[23:23] <aMoniker> I manually downloaded, compiled, and replaced /usr/local/sbin/nginx
[23:23] <glitsj16> maxlefou: there's a couple of things you might try to deal with crackling sound .. take a look at your /etc/pulse/default.pa and find the 'load-module module-udev-detect' line
[23:23] <maxlefou> i did
[23:23] <aMoniker> But now /etc/init.d/nginx won't restart correctly - I have to kill the process and run /etc/init.d/nginx start
[23:23] <aMoniker> Why?
[23:23] <glitsj16> maxlefou: do you have any other params on that line?
[23:23] <wh1p> pmo: how can you have issues installing ubuntu xD
[23:23] <pmo> when i put ubuntu in my dvd drive it wount even close proper
[23:23] <maxlefou> i found it and tried to add tsched=0
[23:23] <maxlefou> but nothing changed
[23:24] <maxlefou> yes, lemme show you
[23:24] <pmo> i can use other dvd's
[23:24] <maxlefou> load-module module-udev-detect use_ucm=0
[23:24] <TJ-> cloneG: Use the "sysstat" package and the "pidstat" tool
[23:24] <cloneG> oh cool thanks
[23:24] <pmo> i took a picture of the drive http://i.imgur.com/Din8SOQ.jpg
[23:24] <cloneG> with gui?
[23:25] <merandus> i've changed my timezone with  tzdata, still my logs (the auth) for example is using my prevous timezone
[23:25] <glitsj16> maxlefou: did you append the tsched=0 or took out the use_ucm=0 part?
[23:25] <maxlefou> load-module module-udev-detect use_ucm=0 tsched=0 actually
[23:25] <rww> pmo: #ubuntu is a support channel, take amusing anecdotes to #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks :)
[23:25] <maxlefou> wasn't sure if i should take off the use_ucm
[23:26] <glitsj16> maxlefou: i'm not sure, but i'd try the one or the other
[23:26] <maxlefou> mmmok i'm gonna try with the tsched only
[23:26] <maxlefou> thanks for the suggestion :)
[23:26] <KI7MT> aMoniker, try with initctl and upstart: http://wiki.nginx.org/Upstart
[23:26] <glitsj16> maxlefou: and restart pulseaudio ofc, no problem, frequent issue it seems
[23:27] <aMoniker> KI7MT: I want to use init.d
[23:27] <maxlefou> how do i restart pulseaudio though?
[23:27] <KI7MT> aMoniker, Then probably should stick with the repo package install.
[23:28] <maxlefou> i can still reboot the pc but if i can avoid it... :p
[23:28] <aMoniker> KI7MT: that doesn't let me compile with custom modules
[23:28] <glitsj16> maxlefou: pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio --start
[23:28] <maxlefou> thanks ^
[23:28] <aMoniker> KI7MT: It should be a pretty simple fix for someone who knows
[23:28] <KI7MT> aMoniker, Ok.
[23:28] <donj_> can anyone tell me how to install adobe flash using the terminal
[23:29] <xrandr> hello, I am trying to install Ubuntu on my Lenovo H505s. I have disabled secure boot, and set it back to setup mode. I can get to the DVD boot screen, but if I choose Try Ubuntu from the boot menu, it just gives me a blank screen. Any ideas?
[23:30] <maxlefou> wow thank you! :D removing both use_ucm and tsched fixed it ^^
[23:31] <glitsj16> maxlefou: heh, nice
[23:32] <KI7MT> aMoniker, may be obvious, but did you use the Nginx init. script and update.rc.d defaults
[23:32] <maujhsn> donj_ It is easier just to go to the adobe download page and follow the linux instructions!
[23:32] <aMoniker> KI7MT: No - how do I do that?
[23:33] <brink55> hi. have had multiple failed dls from webservers not just on this date, but others
[23:33] <KI7MT> aMoniker, sudo /usr/sbin/update-rc.d -f nginx defaults
[23:33] <TJ-> aMoniker: possibly because your custom build doesn't write its pid file in the directory where the init script expects to find it
[23:33] <donj_> i dont understand how to use linux
[23:33] <aMoniker> TJ-: That sounds likely. How can I fix that?
[23:34] <Bray908201> sudo modprobe coretemp doesn't seem to work
[23:34] <k1l> !away | Nannes_Bathroom
[23:34] <KI7MT> aMoniker, http://wiki.nginx.org/Nginx-init-ubuntu
[23:34] <Nannes_Bathroom> hahaha
[23:34] <Nannes_Bathroom> that's not an away message
[23:34] <Nannes_Bathroom> just a joke
[23:34] <brink55> currently getting poor speed from wallawalla.edu(lol cool name)
[23:34] <maujhsn> donji_ Than why confuse yourself with the terminal?
[23:34] <brink55> just an fyi
[23:35] <donj_> i understand how to use a command prompt not a bunch of different file types or programs only found on linux
[23:36] <maujhsn> What version of linux are you using?
[23:36] <donj_> crouton
[23:36] <donj_> on my chromebook
[23:36] <KI7MT> !manual | donj_ see command line section.
[23:37] <donj_> i dont want to learn linux
[23:37] <donj_> i want ot watch videos and movies
[23:37] <maujhsn> Now that's a smart bot! :)
[23:38] <KI7MT> donj_, That manual will tell you how to do that also.
[23:38] <bunjee> how does one install the new version of qbittorrent?
[23:40] <gschiltz> I want to install a new server from scratch now and would like to upgrade it to TrustyTahr in April. What version would be the most pain-free to upgrade?
[23:40] <KI7MT> gschiltz, 12.04-LTS
[23:40] <Bray908201> "sudo modprobe coretemp" doesn't seem to work
[23:40] <KI7MT> *server-edition of course
[23:41] <takumi> hello
[23:42] <takumi> anyone know why i shouldnt do "makefs.ext4 /dev/sdb/" ?
[23:43] <KI7MT> Bray908201, How did you build CoreTemp .. did you follow a how-too
[23:43] <Bray908201> KI7MT: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1754431
[23:44] <KI7MT> takumi, You need to fdisk /dev/sdb first .. makefs.ext4 expects a partition to be present.
[23:45] <ba> #malaysia
[23:45] <OldGnort> help
[23:45] <OldGnort> #help
[23:45] <OldGnort> ?
[23:45] <KI7MT> Bray908201, Those instructions are for a Mac, you using a Mac?
[23:45] <OldGnort> no
[23:45] <Bray908201> yes
[23:45] <Bray908201> KI7MT: yes i am on a mac
[23:46] <takumi> KI7MT, i cant use fdisk because it defaults to 2.2tb mkfs.ext4 worked and im using it im just wondering the risks
[23:46] <OldGnort> join #travian
[23:47] <bekks> takumi: What do you mean by "fdisk defaults to 2.2tb mkfs.ext4"?
[23:47] <KI7MT> Bray908201, Ok, im not up to speed on Mac specific items, but in general, I've used this how-too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CoreTemp
[23:48] <takumi> bekks fisk uses the dos partition table and i needed gtp for over 3tb,
[23:48] <takumi> bekks, fdisk*
[23:48] <bekks> You need GPT for partitions > 2TB.
[23:48] <takumi> well dos caps at 2.2tb
[23:48] <takumi> but yes
[23:48] <bekks> That 2.2 is just a conversion error, but yes. :)
[23:49] <donj_> anyone know why the audio in VLC is looping but the video plays fine?
[23:49] <Bray908201> KI7MT:  thanks
[23:49] <KI7MT> deoesn't fdisk limit out at 2.0 TB and to get round that use GPT ?
[23:50] <bekks> KI7MT: Yes.
[23:50] <rZ1to> kewl
[23:51] <Schrodinger`Cat> MEOW§
[23:51] <Jordan_U> takumi: So create a partition table using parted or gdisk.
[23:51] <KI7MT> and in any case, I would use makefs.ext4 on a partition, not the device as in /dev/sdb1 .. not /dev/sdb I would think.
[23:52] <dgarstang1> I know this obscure, but has anyone tried to install Ubuntu with qemu-system-x86_64 ?
[23:53] <Jordan_U> takumi: A drive without a partition table is A: More likely to have its data overwritten by an OS like Windows B: Less flexible (you can't resize the partution to make room for another) and C: Can't reliably have a BIOS based bootloader installed (and can't have a UEFI based bootloader at all)
[23:54] <Jordan_U> dgarstang1: Yes.
[23:59] <l1nr007> Hi
[23:59] <JohnathonDoe> Hi
[23:59] <Euclidis> I reached a plausible solution to prevent 'video tearing' and overheating using ubuntu 13.10 kde with apu of amd: I disabled the graphic card, and compiled a new kernel - 3.13 - Now it is working smoothly. I'm not a intrinsic gamer so  don'f feel about the card disabled.