 What £channel do I need to use to mount a SD card using KDE-pendrive and Xubuntu 13.10 ?  ...must have been drink last night , sorry .
[10:49] <fluffbraunmilk> s/drink/drunk
[10:53] <AlanBell> fluffbraunmilk: #xubuntu possibly
[10:54] <AlanBell> fluffbraunmilk: maybe #kubuntu if KDE-pendrive is more of a KDE kinda thing
[10:57] <fluffbraunmilk> Alan Bell,  Ok right-so  .. i need a workaround for the doing a mount .. sorry perhaps yur not the best person to be speaking to at the moment ..could you ping .. someone in ubuntu-devs and I will see them in Xubuntu & kubuntu £channels as you suggest , thank-you.
[10:58]  * fluffbraunmilk shudders
[13:17] <average> been banned...
[13:17] <average> cuz I told a guy "your mother is the answer"
[13:17] <average> big effin deal
[13:19] <LjL> oh lord
[13:19] <average> that's what I said..
[13:20] <LjL> yes but, i think i meant it a different way
[13:20] <LjL> anyway, not an #ubuntu ops, so i just ohlorded out of sympathy
[13:49] <fluffybraunmilk> AlanBell, Could somebody please copy Freddy-collins askubuntu.com Profile into this channel as I need to see one of his posts's from 11th December 2013, and I have no access as I am using a G2 pendrive, that has no sudo priveleges.
[13:49] <fluffybraunmilk> For example  askubuntu.com/users/2######/freddie-collins ,
[13:49] <fluffybraunmilk> oh wait, I have it :http://askubuntu.com/users/210984/freddie-collins
[13:50] <fluffybraunmilk> k so .. I can't login to askubuntu.com .. sSooo how can I see one of his posts from 11 December 2013 ?
[13:50] <fluffybraunmilk> s/11/11th December ?
[14:24] <ikonia> WMb6-ollie: how is this an ubuntu-ops team issue ?
[14:24] <ikonia> what do you need/want rom this team ?
[14:25] <ikonia> (sorry if I'm missing past context)
[14:30] <WMb6-ollie> ikonia, your right , I was driftsome .. sorry . OK now tough , thanks .,
[14:30] <WMb6-ollie> **though.
[14:30] <WMb6-ollie> leaves
[14:30] <ikonia> WMb6-ollie: no problem, just didn't know what you wanted from us
[22:54] <average> hey


[11:32] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1432285
[11:34] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: thanks that's the one :(
[11:36] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: the other nice issue is if you are on a system with UEFI there is no boot from HD option in the menu so you are stuck in a menu/boot loop where you cant remove the dvd, you can't can't eject the dvd and you can't boot to another device so you eject the dvd, bit of an issue :)
[11:37] <flexiondotorg> davmor2, Add that the the issue. That is pretty critical!
[11:39] <davmor2> Yea that is a two part issue part is the menu missing the option and second is the loop due to eject missing :)
[11:39] <davmor2> I'll file the one and add a comment to the other after
[14:49] <melodie> hi
[14:53] <melodie> I have installed Xubuntu 14.04.2 on a machine having Windows 8.1, a GPT table partition, an EFI partition, all booting to EFI (I made sure of that, following all the available docs) and after the install it reboots to Windows. I have rebooted the USB stick now (created with dd) and mounted the EFI partition, I can see the EFI/ubuntu directory with the 4 files in it. My question is: is that supposed to appear on the first screen to offer t
[14:53] <melodie> he choice of boot? Or is there an additional step to take? If none of these is there a bug in the install of the boot loader?
[15:28] <melodie> ara what's wrong with yoru connection?
[17:09] <bdmurray> cyphermox: Have you seen bug 1435714?
[17:20] <cyphermox> bdmurray: I did, I was working on it
[17:21] <cyphermox> I updated the bug accordingly
[17:28] <bdmurray> cyphermox: okay, thanks!
[17:30] <melodie> cjwatson for information there wasn't a bug, just an information missing on the web it seems. after installing the bios must be accessed again and in the boot section there is the choice to boot to Windows boot manager or to Ubuntu (and this loads grub which has both boot stanza and even one more to access more directly to the bios setup than from withink Windows, which is a pain)
[17:32] <cjwatson> ok


[12:13] <willcooke> hi all
[12:13] <willcooke> Do you know if the power settings in the desktop are documented anywhere?  Specifically this screen:  http://imgur.com/4jfrzGp
[12:14] <willcooke> There is a bug with "When power is crtically low": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1599264
[12:14] <willcooke> which I've just "fixed" by removing that option from the settings UI
[12:14] <willcooke> Ideally I would like to SRU this in to 16.04 and have it ready for 16.04.1
[12:14] <willcooke> Would I need a UI freeze exception?
[13:12] <pmatulis> willcooke, hi
[13:13] <pmatulis> willcooke, you would be better off asking in a dev channel
[13:16] <willcooke> oki, thanks pmatulis


[13:22] <Traveler4> hello
[21:46] <psor> who know possible make plugin for anyone players for vote films from IMDB ???
[22:28] <ronnald> שלום
[22:28] <ronnald> is this the hebrew support channel for Ubuntu?
[22:28] <jrib> ronnald: nope
[22:28] <jrib> !he
[22:29] <ronnald> oh, thats ^^;;


[00:49] <ShalokShalom> hi there
[01:05] <ShalokShalom> please, can anybody help us ?
[01:05] <ShalokShalom> http://i.imgur.com/MOMe0Os.png
[01:05] <ShalokShalom> how remove kubuntu this touchpad kcm from kde ? where is it placed ?
[01:06] <ShalokShalom> Octopii Fan Club ? :D ;) great
[01:09] <sgclark> ShalokShalom: most of the devs are asleep, you might try #kubuntu for support
[01:09] <ShalokShalom> thx
[01:10] <ShalokShalom> why octopi fan club ?
[01:10] <ShalokShalom> the pacman GUI ? :)
[01:10] <sgclark> Some inside joke I missed sorry : /
[01:40] <ShalokShalom> sgclark: :) thanks :)
[01:40] <ShalokShalom> gn8
[01:40] <sgclark> night
[04:06] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: it's a proposition
[05:29] <ovidiu-florin> Since we don't ship with multiple virtual desktops anymore, the button to keep a window on all of them is useless, so why not remove it?
[05:36] <valorie> but what if people use multiple virt. desktops?
[05:36] <valorie> then they may very well need the button
[05:37] <ovidiu-florin> if they use them, they have to add them, and that assumes they know how to do that
[05:37] <ovidiu-florin> if they know how to do that, the are a bit more advanced of a user
[05:37] <ovidiu-florin> so I would assume they would know how to add that button
[05:37] <ovidiu-florin> for most users, that is a useless button
[05:38] <ovidiu-florin> that "does nothing"
[05:38] <valorie> i have known for a long time how to add virt desktops
[05:38] <valorie> but I have no clue how to add such a button
[05:38] <ovidiu-florin> I've just installed Kubuntu to a friend and asked me" what is this button? it doesn't do anything."
[05:39] <ovidiu-florin> System Settings -> Windows decorration -> Configure buttons
[05:39] <valorie> ah
[05:40] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, Workspace appearance -> window decoration
[05:40] <ovidiu-florin> I hope my translation is accurate
[05:40] <valorie> well, I disagree that the button should be removed, since all the KDE screenshots will show it
[05:41] <valorie> and yes, it took me some time to figure out what it does
[05:41] <ovidiu-florin> yes, and you use it
[05:41] <ovidiu-florin> but I believe most of the users don't
[05:41] <ovidiu-florin> so for them it's an annoyance
[05:41] <ovidiu-florin> a useless button, a button that does nothing
[05:42] <valorie> actually, I don't often use it, since I very rarely use virt desktops
[05:42] <valorie> anyway
[05:42] <ovidiu-florin> Personnaly I use it a lot
[05:43] <ovidiu-florin> but because I use it it does not mean that everyone has to
[05:43] <valorie> of course
[05:43] <ovidiu-florin> there was supposed to be a comma in ther, between the its. sorry for that.
[05:44] <valorie> it's ok, I speak IRC
[05:44] <valorie> :-)
[05:44] <ovidiu-florin> I keep forgetting this is not skype, and I cannot edit my messages. :D
[05:45] <valorie> in this chan, you can use /s/something
[05:45] <valorie> I dunno how though
[05:45] <ovidiu-florin> I know about it, but I have no ideea on how to use it
[05:46] <valorie> me either
[05:46] <ovidiu-florin> have you guys seen this interview? http://www.themukt.com/2014/07/31/never-use-microsofts-ooxml-format/
[06:18] <soee> good morning
[06:21] <ovidiu-florin> monin' soee
[06:22] <ovidiu-florin> and a wonderfull morning it is :D
[06:28] <soee> good morning ovidiu-florin, its nice indeed, though storms are announced here in Poland
[06:28] <soee> :)
[06:28] <ovidiu-florin> it was the same the past few days in Romania
[06:28] <ovidiu-florin> now it's sunny :D
[06:30] <soee> yeah we had lik 35* last few days here
[06:37] <yofel> valorie: old download page axed
[06:38] <valorie> \o/
[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:39]  * apachelogger gets too much email -.-
[07:44]  * soee thinks users should more use activities than virtual desktops
[07:47] <Riddell> soee: what's the advantage for you?
[07:55] <soee> Riddell: i like to have activities like Work (bind apps i work on to it), Default (web, music and also bind apps), Video and Music etc. I also like to have only 2 of them active so i can easily switch with CMD+TAB to prev/next (so others are stopped than) that way when on one activity i work on an app with fullscreen mode i have ultra fast access to to webbrowser on second etc
[07:56] <soee> than if i need to work a bit on different activities i can stop those im not using and again i can move first,second ultrafast :)
[07:56] <soee> basiacly 2 active actifities + apps bind to then = win
[07:58] <yofel> sure, I have multiple activities too, doesn't change my use of virtual desktops
[07:59] <yofel> I don't always have more than one screen, and the environment capsuling of activities does get in the way sometimes
[08:00] <Riddell> I feel like I need a demonstration of why they complement virtual desktops, a video cast would be ideal
[08:01] <valorie> there are some old ones
[08:02] <valorie> but I have to say, I feel like everything I do is one activity
[08:02] <valorie> and I like it all on one desktop
[08:02] <Riddell> having separate desktops can be useful but I've not used them since I got a second monitor
[08:03] <kbroulik> yofel: ping :)
[08:03] <Riddell> one problem in plasma 4 is that activities don't have any graphical feedback, if you press win+tab your windows just disappear with no indication of what's happened
[08:03] <Riddell> I believe that's changing in plasma 5
[08:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: unless you feel that you have too many things going on or you regularly have to start a set of apps you'd want a vdesktop or activity
[08:04] <apachelogger> if not, then they are really very useless
[08:05] <apachelogger> they are orgranization instruments, so unless you have something to organize there's not much to be gained
[08:09] <Riddell> maybe it's binding apps to activities that I don't get
[08:09] <Riddell> what does that mean?
[08:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: when you go to activity $app starts, in theory even when you go to activity $app starts and switches into a specific setup for this activity
[08:21] <soee> Riddell: this one demonstatrs hpow activities will be present in plasma 5.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxaDaXW67Oo
[08:22] <soee> it also shows how easily you can bind app to activity  :)
[08:23] <Riddell> soee: see that, just look like desktops to me there
[08:23] <soee> the main diff is i tink taht you can't turn off desktop without loosing apps assigned ot it ?
[08:31] <yofel> kbroulik_: hm?
[08:31] <kbroulik_> yofel: do you need any other information regarding the kwallet issue?
[08:32] <yofel> a way to reproduce it would be nice... I installed trusty in a VM yesterday and with 4.13.2 from trusty-updates everything kwallet related that I tested worked fine
[08:33] <yofel> shadeslayer wanted to test it in mint I believe
[08:35] <tsdgeos> Riddell: remember to pacakge kactivities 4.13.3 since there's no kactivities 4.14 and utopic is still at 4.13.2
[08:36] <Riddell> tsdgeos: gotcha, thanks
[08:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: any idea why I get apt in spanish when my first langauge is en? http://paste.kde.org/pgch0yy7v
[08:37] <Riddell> probably because there's no en translation files but it is the default
[08:39] <apachelogger> because eglibc is shit and we like to use shit a lot
[08:43] <Riddell> isn't it part of gettext?
[08:43] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1247802
[08:43] <Riddell> or are the two the same thing?
[08:43] <apachelogger> we are not the only ones who don't read their bug reports
[08:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: gettext uses libc (like everything else in the world) to find out which langauges to actually translate to
[09:23]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/14.10-alpha-2
[09:26] <yofel> Isn't this done? https://trello.com/c/JH9j9mH5/51-remove-implicit-linking-to-baloo-from-libbaloo-packages-and-figure-out-proper-dep-tree
[09:26] <kubotu> [14.10 :: To Do :: Remove implicit linking to baloo from libbaloo* packages and figure out proper dep tree ++ ]
[09:28] <Riddell> yep
[09:28] <Riddell> kubotu: damn you're fast
[09:28] <kubotu> hello Riddell
[09:33] <Riddell> removed kdesudo from port, added new card to epics for "Port away from kdesudo to kdesu"
[09:45] <sgclark> Riddell: any luck with kdepimlibs?
[09:45] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah I think I got it now, ppa4 up in ninjas building away
[09:46] <Riddell> pykde4 is the next blocker I'm working on
[09:46] <sgclark> Riddell: woot, thanks, seems the thunder and lightening has me awake
[09:46] <sgclark> Riddell: ok great, having issues with quilt here
[09:51] <apachelogger> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[09:51] <apachelogger> where does the package list for that come from?
[09:54] <Riddell> kubuntu-buildstatus-packages.txt
[09:54] <Riddell> in lp:~kubuntu-members/%2Bjunk/qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[09:55] <apachelogger> thx
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do with virtuoso btw
[09:55] <apachelogger> I guess we have no use for it anymore
[09:55] <Riddell> abandon it :)
[09:56] <apachelogger> don't see it on merges.ubuntu
[09:56]  * apachelogger never finds anything on merges.ubuntu -.-
[09:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: debian has greater revision so we could simply sync away our delta
[09:57] <apachelogger> and stop caring
[09:58] <Riddell> please do
[10:00] <apachelogger> Length: 108854321 (104M) [application/x-gzip]
[10:00] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:00] <apachelogger> do they put prn in their release tars or something
[10:00] <Riddell> it's a nutty package
[10:03] <apachelogger> meh
[10:03] <apachelogger> and it's a repack
[10:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: guess that would have to be a fakesync
[10:04] <Riddell> likely
[10:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: our repacks even differ
[10:10] <Riddell> bloody non free bits
[10:18] <apachelogger> yofel: you know, I am looking at a merge where in fact wrap-sort maked more diff than it would have  had without it :P
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is some minor divergence in patches and architectures on of the packages is built on, but I am reasonable certain that is a result of not having been merged in a while it appears
[10:23] <apachelogger> eitherway if it was broken we wouldn't care anyway, so fakesync it is
[10:25] <yofel> might be, I went for the general case as I'm used to see sorting at the debian side
[10:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[10:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ack
[10:51] <shadeslayer> moment, checking something
[10:53] <sgclark> Riddell: also gwenview bzr source doesn't match archive. I can't seem to find what is causing this error.
[10:53] <Riddell> sgclark: oh that's cos it got deleted from the archivve
[10:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah nvm
[10:53] <Riddell> it was getting the way of a library transition
[10:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: parser is slightly buggy
[10:53] <Riddell> sgclark: just pick one and go with it to sync them up
[10:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seems to not work on a few patches in kdelibs
[10:54] <apachelogger> see, you should have used mine
[10:54] <apachelogger> but no
[10:55] <apachelogger> you had to go and use a gem :P
[10:55] <shadeslayer> where's your
[10:55] <shadeslayer> *yours
[10:57] <apachelogger> dunno
[10:57] <apachelogger> I pasted it
[11:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:01] <shadeslayer> got it
[11:01] <shadeslayer> slow
[11:01] <shadeslayer> it's so slow
[11:01] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922972/
[11:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922976/
[11:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922977/
[11:03] <apachelogger> brunch brunch brunch
[11:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: show patch
[11:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7922990/
[11:04] <sgclark> Riddell: got it, thanks
[11:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patch
[11:05] <apachelogger> u parse patch
[11:05] <apachelogger> what is patch :P
[11:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "kconf_update_migrate_from_kde3_icon_theme.diff"
[11:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell are you guys aware of any bug fixes that have gone in for Plasma 5
[11:08] <apachelogger> !find cli.pm
[11:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the ones I reported are the ones I am aware of
[11:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but those are all packaging fixes right?
[11:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can't reproduce the exception
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I've not looked yet, ask me next Thursday
[11:09] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno, check bugs.kde
[11:10] <apachelogger> I certainly did file a bunch of crap all over the place, no clue if it is fixed yet
[11:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I can reproduce it with your script
[11:11] <apachelogger> I blame u
[11:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, I meant, anything important from your side that got fixed in the PPA that would warrant a ISO build
[11:11] <apachelogger> ah no
[11:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think your version is outdated
[11:11] <apachelogger> see my paste
[11:12] <apachelogger> oh no
[11:12] <apachelogger> there it is again
[11:12] <apachelogger> this is fun
[11:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: constantly branching seems a bit inefficient fwiw :P
[11:13] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:13] <shadeslayer> I need to fix that
[11:13] <shadeslayer> export and shit
[11:13] <shadeslayer> history not required
[11:13] <apachelogger> ah
[11:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for me it fails ./kdelibs/debian/patches/kfreebsd_acl.diff
[11:13] <shadeslayer> hurray
[11:13] <apachelogger> which is really not very legit dep3 xD
[11:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think you'll want to rescue parse!
[11:18] <apachelogger> or maybe dep3 should
[11:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the question is
[11:18] <apachelogger> should one care about malformed headers and no headers
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from a application POV, Dep3 should just set the validity as false and move on
[11:22] <shadeslayer> then up to the application developer to check validity
[11:22] <shadeslayer> and do stuff accordingly
[11:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in ruby the app developer would then have to rescue parse!
[11:24] <apachelogger> because it's not the same thing, validity qualifies whether the dep3 data is valid, parse! would throw an exception if the data doesn't qualify as dep3 data at all
[11:25] <apachelogger> doesn't really matter to me though, since only you use it right now you can span the rescue either inside parse! or outside parse :P
[11:27] <apachelogger> I am not sure the parser actually should fail on this patch
[11:28] <shadeslayer> AFK
[11:29] <apachelogger> ah
[11:29] <apachelogger> nevermind
[11:29] <apachelogger> there is a deeper problem here
[11:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think I fixed it
[11:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923305/
[11:49] <apachelogger> this version shouldn't throw anything anymore
[11:49] <apachelogger> what will happen is: according to the spec anything that isn't a header and doesn't come after a ---- will eventually start a freeform style comment block which is appended to description
[11:50] <apachelogger> so in essence at least partially the patch will end up in the parsed description if it does not have a proper dep3
[11:50] <apachelogger> buuuuuuut
[11:52] <apachelogger> since origin or author/from need to be !nil I expect most if not all bogus patches to be discarded, there is however the ever so faint chance that someone has a patch like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923320/ which will screw the parser into contianing half the patch and as description and still considering it valid
[11:53] <apachelogger> so... what we could do to reduce this problem is to consider freeform stuff only as description at the very end ... so we check is the actual description field not null? is the origin or from field not null? if so, then append freeform to description and set valid
[11:54] <apachelogger> raise your opinion good sir
[11:55] <apachelogger> although
[11:56] <apachelogger> nah, I think that'd be best
[11:56] <apachelogger> because the spec literally says that the fields themselves are required, so not having an actual field Description: yolo is in fact constituting an invalid dep3
[11:56]  * apachelogger adjusts
[12:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923423/ et voila
[12:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7923433/ fixed a comment
[12:10] <apachelogger> this is like a version control in the 90's i tell ya
[12:18] <Riddell> hi ShalokShalom
[12:18] <ShalokShalom> hi
[12:18] <ShalokShalom> Riddell:
[12:18] <ShalokShalom> i already solve that issue from yesterday :)
[12:58] <Riddell> can anyone spot the build error? https://i181313599.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/181313599/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.kate_4%3A4.13.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=96a470f4eb540c4d48f253a7cf2b8333
[13:01] <apachelogger> I can't it's restricted
[13:01] <Riddell> so log in?
[13:01] <Riddell> it's from ninjas
[13:02] <yofel> please link to the build, not to the log. The link includes an auth hash that's restricted to you
[13:02] <apachelogger> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -o CMakeFiles/katepateplugin.dir/plugin.o -c ../../../../../addons/kate/pate/src/plugin.cpp
[13:02] <apachelogger> sip: Unable to find file "pykde_config.sip"
[13:02] <apachelogger> addons/kate/pate/sip/CMakeFiles/python_module_PyKate4_kate.dir/build.make:56: recipe for target 'addons/kate/pate/sip/./kate/sipkatepart0.cpp' failed
[13:02] <apachelogger> make[4]: *** [addons/kate/pate/sip/./kate/sipkatepart0.cpp] Error 1
[13:02] <apachelogger> make[4]: Leaving directory '/build/buildd/kate-4.13.97/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu'
[13:02] <apachelogger> it's a python
[13:03] <Riddell> oh sheesh
[13:08] <sgclark> Riddell: it is possible pykde4 was not yet built?
[13:09] <Riddell> nope pykde4 installs fine in the build log
[13:10] <sgclark> bleh
[13:13] <Riddell> trying in a chroot
[13:22] <Riddell> uh, a heisencompile, it failed here for when I then ran make manually compiled
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:43] <Riddell> hmm, I can get kate to build by running dh_auto_build twice
[13:43] <Riddell> do I really want to put that hack into the packaging?
[13:43] <Riddell> spose I have to since so much build-deps on kate
[13:51] <Riddell> sgclark: so you're on korundum, I uploaded kate, perlkde is rebuilding, and I think it's all good
[13:54] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't think there's any issues with smokekde, I just tried to add some output saying "list-missing" so it'll get picked up by our scripts
[13:54] <Riddell> but my makefile knowledge failed
[13:54] <Riddell> same for smokeqt
[13:55] <Riddell> smokegen on the other hand I've no idea why our scripts pick that up since it's in not-installed
[13:55] <sgclark> Riddell: actually I have a series of fails due to missing depend on soprano ruby in smokekde
[13:55] <sgclark> I thinkk
[13:55] <Riddell> sgclark: right soprano went away with nepomuk
[13:55] <yofel> not-installed is a dhmk feature. So rather delete the file in override_dh_install or so
[13:56] <Riddell> sgclark: what fails?
[13:56] <Riddell> hmm perlkde not happy
[13:56] <Riddell> probably due to soprano
[13:57] <sgclark> Riddell: konumdrum linked by target "rubysoprano" = fail
[13:57] <Riddell> sgclark: yes perlkde is needing soprano removed from .install files
[13:57] <shadeslayer> god, parsing all of the stuff from ~kubuntu-packagers will take ages
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I wonder if we can do use bzr blame to figure out patch authors if the dep3 headers are invalid
[13:58] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, konundrum won't be quite so easy, as cmake files are looking for it
[13:58] <Riddell> sgclark: korundum is just needing .install files fixed for no soprano too
[13:58] <sgclark> it does not get to install files :)
[13:58] <Riddell> sgclark: the build log on ninjas for korundum shows it all compiles fine just not installs
[13:58] <Riddell> https://i181320047.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/181320047/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.korundum_4%3A4.13.97-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=49d5075fb5be0d01583598af9588e6c4
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that will yield more false positives than true positives
[13:58] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:59] <sgclark> Riddell: oh hmm, my local got messed somehow, ok fixing install files
[13:59] <shadeslayer> I wonder how long it will take to run it over all of ubuntu
[14:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw I also get funky stuff like : "INFO: parsing juk"/
[14:00] <shadeslayer> with the extra /
[14:00] <shadeslayer> huh
[14:00] <shadeslayer> "INFO: parsing qt5"-
[14:00] <Riddell> sgclark: I'll look at kde-l10n and also start prepping for upload to archive
[14:00] <Riddell> sgclark: if you'll take perlkde too that would be lovely
[14:01] <sgclark> Riddell: yep
[14:01] <shadeslayer> quite like how python takes 30 MB's just for fetching all the branches, but ruby takes 3 MB's to branch and parse files
[14:01] <Riddell> ..don't..tell..that..to..harald
[14:02] <shadeslayer> -> falling in love with ruby
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's not from me is it?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> that would be me
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u saying you get any random garbage?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[14:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sometimes
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which is weird
[14:11] <apachelogger> you should drink less
[14:11] <shadeslayer> why
[14:11] <shadeslayer> no reason to
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I don't see how to be honest
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah me neither
[14:12] <apachelogger> I think you are imagining things :P
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: could be python fucking up shit
[14:12] <apachelogger> meby
[14:12] <apachelogger> but
[14:12] <shadeslayer> lies
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924318/
[14:12] <apachelogger> puts makes a newline
[14:12] <apachelogger> so it would be weird
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: line 189
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:13] <shadeslayer> I think I'm using pp
[14:13] <shadeslayer>     pp "INFO: parsing #{package}"
[14:13] <apachelogger> ah
[14:13] <apachelogger> what
[14:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you run the ruby thing through a python thing?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:13] <apachelogger> yeah, I'll blame python then
[14:13] <shadeslayer> :p
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how so btw
[14:14] <apachelogger> getting branch list?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:14] <shadeslayer> don't want to use static list
[14:14] <apachelogger> I always wondered if I have enough motivation to clone launchpadlib :P
[14:14] <apachelogger> I never do
[14:14] <shadeslayer> I'd love that :3
[14:14] <shadeslayer> launchpadlib in ruby would be 1 bazillion times faster
[14:15] <apachelogger> probably
[14:15] <apachelogger> at least use less mem
[14:15] <apachelogger> anywho,  it probably wouldn't be hard, just a matter of finding the right gem for the job
[14:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/ruby.php disagrees though
[14:15] <apachelogger> yeah don't use debian ruby, it's no good :P
[14:16] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh gosh
[14:16] <shadeslayer> they're on 1.2
[14:16] <shadeslayer> jebus
[14:16] <apachelogger> wut, nono
[14:17] <apachelogger> wut
[14:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 2.1 you mean?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:17] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:17] <shadeslayer> epoch fucked with my brain
[14:17] <apachelogger> 1.2 would have been a bit weird xD
[14:17] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:43] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[14:44] <sgclark> Riddell: umm, this something to be concerned about? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924529/
[14:44] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:44] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:44] <shadeslayer> this is not
[14:44] <shadeslayer> good
[14:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924550/
[14:44] <shadeslayer> that's all I have
[14:44] <shadeslayer> from parsing all our branches
[14:44] <shadeslayer> which looks wrong
[14:45] <shadeslayer> seems a bit busted if you ask me
[14:45] <Riddell> sgclark: nah, perlkde always does that, I've never considered it important enough to care
[14:45] <sgclark> ok
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's your code still :P
[14:46] <apachelogger> I can tell you for sure certain that kdelibs and kde-workspace parse and they contain more than that
[14:46] <apachelogger> so it must be a problem outside the class
[14:46] <bzoltan> mitya57:  we have new fix for the same topic -> https://code.launchpad.net/~zeller-benjamin/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-ubuntudevice-qmlprojects2/+merge/229237 would you be kind to merge it in?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> my screen is currently glitching
[14:46] <shadeslayer> moment
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh huh
[14:47] <shadeslayer> running krunner fixed it
[14:47] <apachelogger> lol
[14:48] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kde-workspace doesn't parse at all for me
[14:48] <apachelogger> oh
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I know why
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I iz stupid
[14:49] <bzoltan> Riddell: we have new fix for the same topic -> https://code.launchpad.net/~zeller-benjamin/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-ubuntudevice-qmlprojects2/+merge/229237 would you be kind to merge it in?
[14:50] <Riddell> bzoltan: looking
[14:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pft :P
[14:50] <bzoltan> Riddell:  thank you
[14:50] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace 	0001-kwin-glx-Avoid-MSAA-configs-in-initDrawableConfigs.patch 	true 	=?UTF-8?q?Fredrik=20H=C3=B6glund?=
[14:50] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:51] <apachelogger> that's from the patch actually
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:51] <shadeslayer> fun stuff
[14:51] <apachelogger> must have been a bad export from git or smth
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:51] <Riddell> bzoltan: merged!
[14:52] <bzoltan> Riddell: sweet! Thank you.
[14:53] <Riddell> bzoltan: note it's common pactice in kubuntu to have the name of the patch in the changelog for easy greppability, I don't think that practice has spread elsewhere in ubuntu though
[14:55] <bzoltan> Riddell:  that is a smart practice. I will start using it
[15:05] <shadeslayer> what
[15:05] <shadeslayer> kio is at 5.0.0-1ubuntu2
[15:05] <shadeslayer> that looks very wrong
[15:05] <shadeslayer> er 5.0.0a-1ubuntu2
[15:22] <sgclark> Riddell: those two are done, gonna head out for a few. If you need me for anything email me.
[15:24] <Riddell> groovy
[15:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fails to run on kdepim-runtime-13.10
[15:29] <shadeslayer> ubuntu-patch-parser.rb:59:in `strip': invalid byte sequence in UTF-8 (ArgumentError)
[15:30] <shadeslayer>  GenericName[zh_CN]=Akonadi æ<89><98>ç<9b><98>å·¥å<85>·
[15:30] <shadeslayer> fun
[15:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: non-utf8 you'll likely need to rescue to take note of
[15:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, but non-utf8 is only in content
[15:41] <shadeslayer> I don't know why it even crashes at strip when it should have exited the loop before parsing the content
[15:43] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it wouldn't exit if the patch is malformed that's what I detailed earlier, dep3 only asserts ---- as end of parser, so with silly patch formats it can entirely happen that the entire patch more or less is parsed as a freeform description and subsequently discarded as not valid because it had no subject/description header
[15:52] <shadeslayer> anyone want to fix kio
[15:52] <shadeslayer> my head hurts
[15:54] <shadeslayer> where is the polkit packaging branch
[15:54] <shadeslayer> it doesn't exit
[15:54] <shadeslayer> *exist
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: enobranch IIRC
[15:55] <Riddell> 4.13.97 uploading to utopic
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upload to utopic directly?
[15:55] <Riddell> I'm away for the weekend, someone else will need to poke it through
[15:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[16:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7925134/
[16:25] <xnox> apachelogger: oh, usb-creator ported to qt5? Where is it? I'll merge it upstream =)
[16:25] <xnox> apachelogger: also are you working on ubiquity port? =))))))
[19:31] <soee> apachelogger: when all this stuff you showd with Porting to KDE Frameworks 5 post will land in utopic ?
[21:53] <yofel> what am I doing wrong o.O?
[21:53] <yofel> $ qdbus --system com.ubuntu.Upstart /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.version
[21:53] <yofel> Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied
[21:53] <yofel> Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.224" (uid=1000 pid=30639 comm="/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbus --system c") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6" member="version" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init ")
[22:03] <tsimpson> apparently one needs system administrative privileges to call that method
[22:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, I'm not sure how that upower version check you added to powerdevil is supposed to work but it doesn't work for me
[22:19] <yofel> powerdevil does use the login interface, but as the version check fails, the only reason why suspend works with upower 0.9 is that the upower capability check is successful


[00:29] <Xenocide> Hey guys, I have a scientific atlanta 4250hdc hooked up via firewire, I am getting an error of "partial lock" when I go to view live tv
[00:31] <Xenocide> anyone??'
[00:55] <Xenocide> no one can help?
[01:04] <mindoms> Xenocide: maybe try at #mythtv-users
[02:07] <Xenocide> anyone familir with mythchanger??
[02:53] <Xenocide> anyone familiar with IR blaster setups?
[03:09] <Cyber-Dogg> howdy
[03:10] <Cyber-Dogg> I was curious if anyone had any info on why when I'm running mythbuntu, mythtv and xorg are both consuming a TON of processor
[03:41] <rhpot1991> !mysql
[03:41] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[04:33] <foxbuntu> Cyber-Dogg, nvidia video card?
[04:33] <Cyber-Dogg> yes
[04:33] <Cyber-Dogg> 8200 on board
[04:33] <Cyber-Dogg> I tried to the use events
[04:33] <Cyber-Dogg> I've tried the modeline
[04:34] <Cyber-Dogg> I'm being told in mythtv-users to try mythtv trunk so I can use vdpau
[04:34] <Cyber-Dogg> thouths?
[04:34] <foxbuntu> Cyber-Dogg, you need to have useevents enabled and vsync disabled
[04:35] <foxbuntu> and enabling UseEvents will require a restart of xorg
[04:37] <foxbuntu> this is the line you have in your xorg.conf correct?
[04:37] <foxbuntu> Option         "UseEvents" "True"
[04:37] <Cyber-Dogg> yes
[04:37] <foxbuntu> k
[04:37] <Cyber-Dogg> well option "useevents" "1"
[04:37] <foxbuntu> disable vsync options in nvidia-settings
[04:37] <foxbuntu> its a bool value
[04:37] <Cyber-Dogg> ok, I didn't do that yet
[04:37] <foxbuntu> it has to be True
[04:37] <foxbuntu> not 1
[04:38] <Cyber-Dogg> ok... mythbuntu defaulted it to 1
[04:38] <foxbuntu> from where?
[04:38] <Cyber-Dogg> from where?
[04:38] <Cyber-Dogg> I don't know what you mean
[04:38] <Cyber-Dogg> i installed mythbuntu... it was setup that way :-)
[04:38] <foxbuntu> I dont think we modify that
[04:38] <foxbuntu> hrm
[04:39] <foxbuntu> I wonder where that setting came from
[04:39] <foxbuntu> its a bug though
[04:39] <foxbuntu> guess I should look into that :)
[04:40] <Cyber-Dogg> ok...
[04:40] <Cyber-Dogg> so let me change that
[04:40] <Cyber-Dogg> where is the vsynv option?
[04:40] <Cyber-Dogg> I know in nvidia-settings
[04:40] <Cyber-Dogg> but which page
[04:41] <Cyber-Dogg> I ask because I'm not seeing it
[04:42] <Cyber-Dogg> is it sync to vblank?
[04:43] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:43] <Cyber-Dogg> BTW... the nologo option is defaulted to a 1 as well
[04:43] <Cyber-Dogg> isn't that bool?
[04:44] <Cyber-Dogg> ok, I changed them both
[04:44] <Cyber-Dogg> how do I just restart x without a full reboot?
[04:45] <Cyber-Dogg> not sure how to in ubuntu
[04:46] <foxbuntu> Cyber-Dogg, I just asked our expert and they changed the driver I think, its not required to be bool anymore
[04:46] <Cyber-Dogg> ok
[04:46] <foxbuntu> Cyber-Dogg, anyhow to answer your question: sudo /etc/init,d/gdm restart
[04:46] <foxbuntu> Cyber-Dogg, anyhow to answer your question: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:46] <foxbuntu> . not ,
[04:47] <Cyber-Dogg> k
[04:47] <Cyber-Dogg> I'm a gentoo guy... :-)
[04:48] <Cyber-Dogg> but I couldn't get the sound to work in gentoo with X
[04:49] <Cyber-Dogg> and I built this box to be a mythbox... so I don't care what it runs in
[04:49] <foxbuntu> Cyber-Dogg, I was a gentoo guy a looooooong time ago
[04:49] <Cyber-Dogg> I just want it to work... and ubuntu does that very well
[04:49] <foxbuntu> that it does
[04:49] <Cyber-Dogg> so are you a dev?
[04:49] <Cyber-Dogg> for mythbuntu I mean
[04:50] <foxbuntu> yes
[04:50] <foxbuntu> one of the core
[04:50] <foxbuntu> been with the project since inception
[04:51] <Cyber-Dogg> well thank you for your work :D
[04:51] <foxbuntu> thanks
[04:51] <Cyber-Dogg> ok, back up
[04:51] <Cyber-Dogg> checking top now
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> xorg looks better < 10% now
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> mythfrontend.real though is still at like 50%
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> does that seem reasonable?
[05:00] <Cyber-Dogg> I don't know what it's responsible for :-)
[20:40] <sebrock> is MythExport even remotely working?
[20:46] <sebrock> omg the bugs in this
[21:02] <superm1> rhpot1991, ^
[21:02] <superm1> sebrock, what's wrong?
[21:03] <rhpot1991> sebrock: what issues you having?
[21:13] <sebrock> nah I fixed it.
[21:13] <sebrock> rhpot1991, I had a really bad day. Don't take it personal :)
[21:13] <rhpot1991> sebrock: well if its a bug let me know and I can fix it up
[21:13] <rhpot1991> sebrock: no problem, it has its fair share of duct tape fixes going on
[21:13] <sebrock> rhpot1991, however if there is one thing lacking it is proper documentation.
[21:14] <rhpot1991> sebrock: wiki is where I try to do it, I fail at english and relating words quite often though
[21:14] <rhpot1991> sebrock: if you have any good ideas I'm all ears
[21:14] <sebrock> the ubuntu community page says very little and never goes into the important details. I still don't understand the differance of full and on-the-go
[21:15] <sebrock> also the integration with mythimport should be more seamless
[21:16] <rhpot1991> you mean on-the-go, full vs lightweight right?
[21:17] <rhpot1991> the idea here is that you are using mythexport on your master backend
[21:17] <rhpot1991> and mythimport on a detached backend, that you say take with you in a boat
[21:18] <sebrock> I've got the separate frontend/backend
[21:18] <sebrock> I might have stumbled on a bug now... wait I will investigate
[21:18] <rhpot1991> so you use mythexport to prepare your files and copy them over to the detached backend, and use mythimport to bring them in, for this you would use the full featured version
[21:18] <sebrock> Ok, I would only like to use it to automatically transfer to my Iphone on sync
[21:18] <sebrock> ie iTunes feed
[21:19] <rhpot1991> then you can do a lightweight on-the-go export, which will just give you a bunch of video files and an xml file that you can open with firefox or whatever you want
[21:19] <rhpot1991> sebrock: you don't want on-the-go then
[21:19] <rhpot1991> just do an export, and use the rss feed
[21:19] <rhpot1991> register it as a podcast in itunes, and itunes will automagically pull them down for you
[21:19] <sebrock> yes, I have a user job added to mythweb ow
[21:19] <sebrock> It did work once, now it stopped
[21:19] <sebrock> I will check
[21:19] <rhpot1991> if you use http://localhost/mythexport
[21:20] <rhpot1991> it will create the user job for you from there
[21:20] <sebrock> 0	7889	jobqueue	5	0	2009-08-27 22:19:58	server	Job "" Finished	Finished "" for "Family guy" recorded from channel 1011 at Wed Aug 26 20:30:00 2009.
[21:20] <sebrock> 1	7888	jobqueue	5	0	2009-08-27 22:19:58	server	Job "" Started	Started "" for "Family guy" recorded from channel 1011 at Wed Aug 26 20:30:00 2009
[21:20] <sebrock> It's all done that
[21:20] <rhpot1991> well the job in your backend will run and be done
[21:21] <sebrock> it isnt
[21:21] <sebrock> Look, first time it worked
[21:21] <rhpot1991> all that does is create an export job for the the mythexport-daemon
[21:21] <sebrock> then I go to File maintenance and delete the exportet file
[21:21] <sebrock> I changed the configuration to a higher bitrate
[21:22] <sebrock> If I update job or file maintenace the files are back
[21:22] <sebrock> deleted on disk though
[21:23] <rhpot1991> ok so you exported one, and it worked, but then you deleted and the file is gone from disk but the rssfeed/etc still thinks it exists?
[21:24] <sebrock> yes, If I press Delete it deletes from exported list and from RSS. I update the page and they are back
[21:24] <rhpot1991> update=refresh?
[21:24] <sebrock> yes reload
[21:25] <rhpot1991> hit ctrl+shift+r while on the page
[21:26] <sebrock> Im on a mac, I restarted the daemon and now it's permanently gone
[21:26] <sebrock> I will redo the whole process
[21:26] <rhpot1991> ok, venturing something went wrong then and the daemon died or got hung
[21:26] <rhpot1991> look at /var/log/mythtv/mythexport.log (I think thats the location)
[21:26] <rhpot1991> look for hints, if there isn't much good in there we can turn on debugging
[21:27] <sebrock> another thing is, which char encoding is used for metadata? Swedish characters are not working
[21:28] <rhpot1991> metadata in where, the .mp4 file thats exported?
[21:28] <sebrock> yes
[21:28] <rhpot1991> well I pull that data right from your mythconverg db, and feed it to atomicparsley
[21:28] <rhpot1991> so if there is an issue there its gonna be with AP
[21:28] <sebrock> In iTunes swedish/nordic characters are displayed wrong. Its correct in browser though
[21:29] <sebrock> and in DB
[21:29] <rhpot1991> prob an issue with atomic parsley then
[21:29] <rhpot1991> you can 1. submit a bug to that project
[21:30] <rhpot1991> 2. let me know if you have any bright ideas for dealing with it
[21:30] <sebrock> I'll check it out.
[21:31] <sebrock> btw, adding a job from mythweb... will that be listed in mythexport?
[21:31] <rhpot1991> sebrock: when naming a config in mythexport don't use spaces
[21:31] <sebrock> I simply named it iPhone
[21:31] <rhpot1991> sebrock: yes it should pull the names from the db, so hopefully you don't overwrite anything usefull
[21:32] <sebrock> it should be listed in mythexport?
[21:32] <sebrock> user job is: mythexport_addjob starttime=%STARTTIME% chanid=%CHANID% config=iPhone
[21:33] <rhpot1991> well mythexport will list the name of the 4 available user jobs
[21:33] <rhpot1991> and you choose which slot you want to use
[21:33] <rhpot1991> not sure we are on the same page here
[21:34] <sebrock> No I mean when a user job is running
[21:34] <rhpot1991> I'm talking about whats listed on http://localhost/mythexport/userjob.cgi
[21:34] <rhpot1991> oh, no
[21:34] <rhpot1991> 2 different queues
[21:34] <sebrock> alright
[21:34] <rhpot1991> so if you look on your backend, or in mythweb you can see mythtv's queue
[21:34] <sebrock> I think the metadata ecoding comes from ffmpeg?
[21:34] <sebrock> the -description flag
[21:35] <sebrock> no you are right its atomicparsley
[21:35] <rhpot1991> ya
[21:35] <rhpot1991> you can do a test if the -description flag works better, that can be an option
[21:36] <sebrock> do you know if its possible to change charset with AtomicParlsey?
[21:36] <rhpot1991> never looked into it sorry
[21:40] <rhpot1991> hmmm some of these screen shots are out of date
[22:03] <sebrock> rhpot1991, the name of the file created also lacks swedish chars
[22:04] <sebrock> shown as an underscore
[22:04] <rhpot1991> sebrock: ohhhh interesting
[22:04] <sebrock> atomicparsley should use unicode-8... strange
[22:04] <rhpot1991> wonder if my perl regex is stripping it out
[22:04] <sebrock> conversion must go wrong somewhere
[22:04] <sebrock> sounds like it
[22:07] <rhpot1991> # replace non-word characters in title with underscores
[22:07] <rhpot1991> my $title_old = $title;
[22:07] <rhpot1991> $title =~ s/\W+/_/g;
[22:08] <sebrock> so we swedes use non-word chars :P
[22:09] <sebrock> also get this before every export: August 27 22:51:45 server /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon[32039]: ERROR: cannot remove /var/Files/500GB/recordings/mythexport/TV6-Family_guy-Del_67_s_song_5-20090826203000.mp4.tmp. at line 535 in /usr/bin/mythexport-daemon
[22:10] <rhpot1991> sebrock: is that a dual pass, or h264?
[22:11] <sebrock> mpeg4
[22:12] <rhpot1991> is it leaving random .tmp files behind?
[22:13] <sebrock> no not at all
[22:13] <sebrock> just the mp4 file
[22:13] <sebrock> no biggie, just log output
[22:14] <sebrock> Quality is awful though
[22:14] <rhpot1991> what settings are you using?
[22:15] <rhpot1991> and what kinda ipod
[22:15] <sebrock> I have an iphone which has 480x320
[22:16] <sebrock> so I mage a custom config
[22:16] <rhpot1991> what bitrates?
[22:16] <sebrock> 1500
[22:16] <rhpot1991> did you put a kb after that?
[22:16] <sebrock> mm no
[22:16] <rhpot1991> do that
[22:16] <rhpot1991> for the audio and video
[22:16] <rhpot1991> otherwise its just 1500b
[22:16] <rhpot1991> which is terrible :)
[22:17] <rhpot1991> I do 600kb for normal and 1200kb for high
[22:17] <rhpot1991> and you should be able to just use the ipod config, but in the end its all just a bunch of ffmpeg options
[22:18] <sebrock> I see now
[22:18] <sebrock> you fix the regexp?
[22:19] <rhpot1991> sebrock: not really sure what the fix is at this point
[22:19] <rhpot1991> I could just not regex it, but then itunes gets mad about some chars
[22:20] <rhpot1991> and it was a whole readability thing
[22:20] <sebrock> I'm talking about the filename now not metadata
[22:20] <rhpot1991> I could do something like use mythrename on them, I'll have to think about it
[22:20] <rhpot1991> well the regex is prob the source of both issues I think
[22:20] <sebrock> Yes, that one works
[22:21] <sebrock> According to AtomicParlsey they use unicode-8
[22:21] <rhpot1991> which should work
[22:21] <sebrock> so it *should* work
[22:21] <rhpot1991> \w matches [a-zA-Z0-9]
[22:21] <sebrock> Don't know why really. Some conversion
[22:21] <rhpot1991> which is the issue
[22:21] <rhpot1991> so \W means anything not in those
[22:21] <rhpot1991> hence your chars
[22:21] <sebrock> right
[22:22] <sebrock> oh wait, you still on the filename now?
[22:22] <sebrock> that last part was meant for metadata
[22:25] <rhpot1991> well the same issue is effecting both I believe
[22:26] <rhpot1991> you can test it if you want, go find anywhere it does s/\W+\ and replace that with s/\s+\
[22:26] <rhpot1991> will just replace whitespace instead
[22:26] <rhpot1991> would help if I could type
[22:26] <rhpot1991> replace this: s/\W+/
[22:26] <rhpot1991> with this: s/\s+/
[22:27] <rhpot1991> do you get these characters in your callsigns at all?
[22:27] <rhpot1991> (channelnames)
[22:28] <rhpot1991> heading home, will be a delay till I respond
[22:29] <Xenocide> Hey guys, anyone able to help me with mythchanger, or another script to get channel changing working on my 4250HDC?
[22:49] <superm1> way back when i had hacked some support into one of the firewire scripts but it was hacky so i never submitted it upstream
[22:49] <Xenocide> Hey mario hows it going man
[22:49] <superm1> i'd check with the current upstream stuff in the contrib/ directory on svn.mythtv.org to see if it has support these days for the 4250hdc
[22:49] <superm1> hey what's up dude
[22:49] <Xenocide> think your daily builds have it???
[22:49] <Xenocide> er weekly
[22:49] <Xenocide> i had to use mythprime to even get the box going
[22:50] <superm1> well the contrib directory doesn't get built i dont think
[22:50] <superm1> it's usually a small little c file that's pretty straightforward to compile
[22:50] <superm1> gcc -o blah blah.c etc
[22:50] <Xenocide> hm, i tried majoridiots newest build of his script and i can't get it to work, ill check there though
[22:50] <Xenocide> yea i gotcha
[22:50] <Xenocide> how does the IR blsater work in mythbuntu, i tried going that route ,but after i enabled it in the setup didn't know what to do with it
[22:50] <Xenocide> is that easier, or just try to get it going over firewire?
[22:51] <superm1> firewire is easier/more reliable etc
[22:51] <superm1> i ditched TWC anyway myself though
[22:51] <Xenocide> i have no other option
[22:51] <Xenocide> how do i get this off svn.mythtv.org
[22:52] <Xenocide> trying to find the contrib stuff
[22:53] <superm1> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib
[22:53] <superm1> look in there
[22:53] <Xenocide> ah i see channel changers
[22:53] <Xenocide> none for mine, but a few other scientific atlantica boxes, I will try them, Thanks
[22:53] <superm1> good luck :)
[22:54] <Xenocide> this is actually the same one i found on ubuntuforums
[22:54] <Xenocide> didn't work for me :(
[22:57] <rhpot1991> sebrock: was thinking on the way home, does it put underscores in place for both the meta data and files names, or just the file names?
[22:57] <superm1> Xenocide, look on the mythtv-users ML for stuff about that box
[22:58] <superm1> if you dont find things, i can try to see if i still have the old HD that had my hacked sa4250ch binary
[22:58] <superm1> it's so disgusting. i can't believe it worked for me for 15 months
[23:00] <sebrock> rhpot1991, underscores is only for filenames. In iTunes (on a mac) metadata is shown as this: "baserad på en klassisk tv-serie, då hans katolska far kommer på besök." Yeah you see where there should be swedish chars
[23:00] <sebrock> but that last one is atomicparsleys fault
[23:01] <rhpot1991> sebrock: and those normally work on itunes right?
[23:02] <sebrock> Yes. Stuff from the Itunes store show with correct formatting
[23:03] <rhpot1991> sebrock: ok, lets do this, I'm kinda busy trying to finish something for the feature freeze, so next week I'll get a test build up on my PPA for you to try out, see if we can't fix those at all
[23:03] <rhpot1991> atomicparsley error might be out of my reach, but I'll have a look and see if there is an update or anything that might help
[23:04] <sebrock> sure thing, I'm going to bed now anyways
[23:04] <rhpot1991> ok sounds good, ping me next week so I don't forget about you
[23:04] <sebrock> MMmmm, I will look into the atomicparsley stuff and maybe file a bug if it's possible
[23:05] <rhpot1991> let me know if you find anything there
[23:05] <sebrock> And you do me... I have a terrible memory sometimes
[23:05] <rhpot1991> heh, ok sounds good
[23:05] <sebrock> sure gnite
[23:05] <rhpot1991> night


[15:20] <carmack> Hi
[15:21] <carmack> hi
[15:22] <dholbach> starting in 38m
[15:29] <sudosundu> Hi
[15:29] <sudosundu> Happy
[15:57] <giwrgos> hello to all
[15:57] <dholbach> hey hey
[15:57] <dholbach> starting in a few!
[15:57] <giwrgos> yeap
[15:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:00] <popey> hello
[16:00] <fairphone2> QUESTION: Can community ports devices use Nokia HERE service location?
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, hi
[16:01] <danw_> QUESTION: Is there a demand for a non-coding participants into the Ubuntu project? If so, where can they contribute their time?
[16:02] <dholbach> starting in a sec
[16:03] <dholbach> starting!
[16:03] <fairphone2> QUESTION: Any news on the devices that will be capable of runnig snappy based images?
[16:03] <giwrgos> dholbach, heyyyyyyyyy
[16:03] <voiture_> QUESTION: when ota 15?
[16:04] <dholbach> If you're new to this, please prefix your question with QUESTION: so we can more easily pick it up. Thanks!
[16:04] <dslul> voiture_, we don't even have ota 14 yet :)
[16:05] <dslul> QUESTION: I find sometimes on launchpad links to documents that provide insights on the development of projects like mir and unity8. Is there a place where I can find the link to all of those, to get a broader understanding of these projects?
[16:05] <giwrgos> that guy with the blue eyes is looking at my soul :P
[16:07] <voiture_> QUESTION: are all silos safe to install on tablet?
[16:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> QUESTION: So I read recently that Canonical is going to sue a Euopean cloud comany, any comments to do with that?  Also is this the first time that Cannial is going to sue someone, because I don't remember reading anything about  that beore.
[16:12] <mhall119> #ubuntu-ubuntu-team
[16:12] <dholbach> #ubuntu-community-team
[16:12] <dholbach> #ubuntu-ubuntu-ubuntu!
[16:12] <dholbach> <3
[16:12] <danw_> QUESTION: Is there a plan to eventually freeze Unity 7 at its most stable point, so all the efforts are focused on Unity 8? Or would Unity 7 be somehow continued indefinitely, regardless of years of never ending effort to start with Unity 8?
[16:14] <mike_> hello ,  what about  a  ubuntu  smartwatch  ?
[16:23] <depressionite> QUESTION: My girlfriend doesn't like my ubuntu phone because it hasn't facebook messenger. I'm afraid she can end our relationship. Where we can find girls that like ubuntu phones?
[16:25] <sethj> QUESTION: Are there any plans for a US Ubuntu phone? It feels like I've been waiting forever :(
[16:27] <guiverc> QUESTION: Unity 8 is using GTK+ or Qt framework/toolkits? (sorry haven't looked at it; but previews look more like Qt & not GTK+ based)
[16:27] <dslul> guiverc, it uses qt
[16:27] <guiverc> thanks dslul
[16:27] <dslul> qml for the ui
[16:27] <guiverc> sure looked like it; plus means its close to phones etc.
[16:27] <sergiqp_> QUESTION: Is there any project about making a shortcut's OSK for UT?
[16:29] <depressionite> QUESTION: It's been almost 2 years since the launch of the first ubuntu phone, but there still some lag on the system. Apps still take "sometime" to launch, why?
[16:30] <sethj> is the fairphone an official port?
[16:30] <popey> its a community port
[16:30] <guiverc> already answered !
[16:30] <popey> join #ubports to find out more
[16:30] <sethj> thanks
[16:30] <dslul> depressionite, I investigated a bit on this, it looks like most of the overhead is in the qmlscene runtime that interprets qml code, I hope that moving to newer versions of Qt that are optimized for embedded we will see some improvements
[16:31] <danw_> QUESTION: Unity 8 - will scopes be actually any better than lenses on Unity 7? As far, as I am concerned the Unity 7's experience of searching for any online content was a disaster (i.e. utterly irrelevant/embarrassing search results). Is the current experience of your proving that there is some hope to see some more polished experience?
[16:31] <dslul> just my opinion btw
[16:31] <guiverc> thanks mhall119
[16:34] <popey> \o/ mzanetti
[16:36] <depressionite> QUESTION: The new app drawer means that App Scope is going away?
[16:38] <danw_> I'd have to slice open my Samsung Note 3 - it is my pretty little pet; no spare funds for a Nexus ;)
[16:38] <sergiqp_> With a shortcut's OSK I mean something similar to emoji's OSK, without using any physical keyboard.
[16:38] <depressionite> QUESTION: Christmas is coming. What's your whishlist?
[16:38] <guiverc> QUESTION (unimportant thought):  LXDE (GTK2+) moves to Qt; now Unity8 -> Qt5 .. yes understand b/c of phone,  but what about my old ubuntu apps (using GTK+) ..  are they being moved; or are we to adopt Qt based apps (eg. liferea -> akregator etc)  [or just put more ram in our system to keep gtk+ & Qt libs in memory & use both)
[16:39] <hiseni> QUESTION: Any news on Canonical will try to join  Google Summer of Code mentoring organizations tis year?
[16:39] <danw_> QUESTION: Any predicted default apps for Unity 8?
[16:40] <depressionite> QUESTION: Where's Nicholas Skaggs?
[16:40] <guiverc> i've never felt snow anytime; let alone christmas (which is in summer here)
[16:42] <popey> http://amzn.eu/fAfdRlb
[16:42] <danw_> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu stop shipping all the fonts by default? E.g. a user in the UK will stop having to deal with removing/hiding all the non-latin fonts? Even the evil overlords from MS seem to have dropped this nifty habit of throwing all the world's fonts in your face (or so I have been told, it well might have been a lie. A beautiful lie)
[16:42] <popey> :D
[16:43] <depressionite> QUESTION: How Brexit could affect ubuntu?
[16:44] <davmor2> depressionite: why would it canonical is global as is the ubuntu community?
[16:45] <guiverc> fyi:  by LXDE I meant lubuntu.
[16:46] <mivoligo_> Ubuntu, watch > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cy07xpwXgAAndHl.jpg
[16:46] <popey> haha
[16:47] <danw_> The desktop it sir, good sirs
[16:47] <guiverc> QUESTION (tongue-in-cheek i think) any plans to get the 'desktop that can't be named" moved to Qt too & off its new GTK3? keeping Michael's all 'ubuntu same look & feel' mentioned aim
[16:48] <sergiusens> mhall119 he's in CDO
[16:48] <sergiusens> mhall119 juju QA iirc
[16:48] <guiverc> also I mean ubuntu-mate ; using term from ubuntu-podcast
[16:48] <danw_> I can't spell today, where is more coffee when you need it
[16:49] <danw_> Guys, there is a dog that wants to have a walkie outside
[16:49] <mhall119> she's so loud
[16:49] <guiverc> :) @ danw_
[16:50] <guiverc> I think moving fonts is easy; and they don't take that much space anyway.
[16:50] <guiverc> :s/moving/removing/
[16:51] <danw_> The dropdown is a real first world issue of mine, I know it is a bit sissy
[16:52] <guiverc> give a great answer to Brexit & you could get job offers from UK govt.
[16:53] <kristbaum> QUESTION is there a reason why the targetet bugs for OTA 14 are so low?
[16:53] <guiverc> 17.04 Ubuntu-MATE is on GTK3; I sure won't speak to martin.
[16:53] <danw_> I WANT UBUNTU MARTIN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS
[16:54] <guiverc> ubuntu-MATE ; running joke on ubuntu-(uk)-podcast
[16:54] <dholbach> danw_, http://ubuntu-martin.org/ :)
[16:54] <depressionite> Thank you for your answers! Have a nice holiday. I'll try to be ubuntu next year as well! bye
[16:54] <guiverc> also systemau (podcast) refers to it as ubuntu-martin.. a listener created the website
[16:54] <popey> thanks everyone!
[16:55] <guiverc> thanks folks.
[16:55] <kristbaum> nice hollidays everyone! :D
[16:58] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[17:04] <carmack> quit
[17:38] <aadithya> is ubuntu os for phones dead?


[08:32] <mdke> j1mc: around?
[08:32] <j1mc> mdke: hey
[08:32] <mdke> heya!
[08:32] <mdke> how's the jetlag?
[08:33] <j1mc> i'm loving it.  it doesn't help that i slept for a good part of the afternoon today.
[08:33] <mdke> hah
[08:33] <mdke> I just wanted to catch up on where we are with natty docs
[08:33] <j1mc> sure
[08:34] <j1mc> start with natty docs, i guess
[08:34] <mdke> I think we said that we would have a hard freeze around 15 May
[08:34] <mdke> are we at the stage where we can do that?
[08:35] <j1mc> i can give a read through, but i think we went through bug reports pretty quickly.
[08:35] <mdke> There are still a few stubs and such around
[08:35] <j1mc> i would think that we could have a hard freeze. there are some bugs in my 'bugs' folder, but i think some of them are kubuntu-related
[08:35] <mdke> perhaps we should move them to stub pages and then have the freeze
[08:35] <j1mc> i haven't had a chance to go through them, but can do so in a day or so
[08:36] <mdke> do you think it is worth having a bit more time on those?
[08:36] <mdke> We can be relaxed about when we freeze
[08:36] <j1mc> i'll have to take a look and see what kind of topics they are. are they page.stub files?
[08:37] <mdke> no
[08:37] <mdke> net-email.page
[08:37] <mdke> net-problem.page
[08:37] <mdke> net-security.page
[08:37] <mdke> net-wired.page
[08:37] <mdke> unity-launcher.page
[08:37] <j1mc> or just listed as "stub' for their status?
[08:37] <mdke> yeah
[08:37] <mdke> I think I marked the net ones as stubs
[08:37] <j1mc> ok - we can review those. perhaps then freeze?
[08:37] <mdke> that sounds good to me.
[08:38] <j1mc> me, too.
[08:38] <mdke> the spanish translators finished everything!
[08:38] <mdke> quite impressive...
[08:38] <j1mc> that is amazing
[08:38] <j1mc> they were really quick on translating the gnome docs, too.
[08:38] <j1mc> always lots of updates from them
[08:39] <mdke> yeah, they had that head start
[08:39] <mdke> about half the strings or so came from upstream in the end I think
[08:39] <j1mc> nice!
[08:39] <mdke> ok, I'll send an email along those lines, thanks
[08:39] <mdke> UDS was fun?
[08:39] <j1mc> yeah - do you have an extra minute or two?
[08:40] <mdke> yep
[08:40] <j1mc> the strategy session was helpful, and i'm putting together a strategy document.
[08:40] <j1mc> i'll have a draft ready within the week (i think) for the team to review
[08:41] <j1mc> and for 11.10... people gave us some good input there, too. but we can narrow our focus some to see what we can really get done for this cycle.
[08:41] <j1mc> be reasonable with ourselves.
[08:41] <mdke> yes, I agree completely
[08:41] <j1mc> i'm not sure what to do about that docs platform. it seems neat, but there wouldn't be much support from upstream.
[08:42] <j1mc> (neither kde or gnome)
[08:42] <j1mc> i would like to evaluate it, if only as a way of being considerate to the people who came out to demo it.
[08:42] <j1mc> it is open source stuff, so ... just helping out another open source docs team
[08:43] <j1mc> i'm going to see if i can get accounts for people.  does that seem reasonable?
[08:43] <mdke> yes, I think that's the right approach
[08:43] <mdke> it's difficult for us if there is no upstream buy-in, because arguably it's not for us to drive new technologies, but perhaps if it was spectacularly useful it might be something we should look at
[08:44] <j1mc> ok - thanks for at least that support. i feel/felt like i was going out on a bit of a limb, but it was worth looking at given what i knew about it.
[08:44] <j1mc> so... i'll be getting that stuff out soon, too.
[08:44] <mdke> it's definitely worth looking at these things I think
[08:45] <mdke> so just call a meeting whenever you're ready with the strategy document, I guess
[08:45] <j1mc> and i want to start a team blog!  :)  did you know there was an 'ubuntu tour' project that had translations??
[08:45] <j1mc> i had no idea.
[08:45] <mdke> I've seen some irc posts about it
[08:45] <j1mc> cool... i will (re: the team meeting)
[08:46] <mdke> is ubuntu tour good?
[08:46] <j1mc> i'm not sure. it has some good ideas, i guess, but i think it was started before we worked on our new docs. before we had our own tour in the intro sections.
[08:47] <j1mc> so hopefully raising our profile a little bit will help to get a bit more attention and encourage people to work with us rather than starting new docs-related projects.
[08:47] <j1mc> it isn't just writers doing more work, but also translators.
[08:48] <j1mc> anyway, that's all for now...
[08:48] <j1mc> i suppose you're off to work?
[08:48] <mdke> shortly yeah
[08:48] <mdke> I'm a bit behind today :)
[08:48] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[08:48] <j1mc> i was drafting a uds-related blog post that will cover a few more things
[08:48] <j1mc> but that's most of it
[08:49] <j1mc> thanks for saying 'hey'
[08:49] <mdke> sounds like it was worthwhile
[08:49] <mdke> did you get any input from the design people about unity terminology?
[08:50] <j1mc> a bit... i actually need to follow-up with them a bit. i didn't get quite as much input from design folks as i had hoped, but some were helpful.
[08:50] <j1mc> pippa from the design team used to be a technical writer, so i think she'll be a good resource from their group
[08:50] <mdke> oh cool
[08:51] <j1mc> and she pointed me to rober (or john?) lee, too, but i didn't get to talk to him.
[08:52] <mdke> ok
[08:52] <mdke> well it sounds like you got a lot done anyway
[08:52] <j1mc> i tried.  :)
[08:52] <mdke> it was really good to have some docs sessions at uds for a change :)
[08:52] <j1mc> :)
[08:52] <mdke> that in itself raises the profile
[08:53] <mdke> and the team blog idea is a good one
[08:53] <mdke> I have a dreamhost account which has a "one click" wordpress setup if you need it
[08:53] <j1mc> cool
[08:53] <j1mc> well, i think i'm going to try and catch a few Zzz's
[08:53] <mdke> alright, sleep well
[08:54] <j1mc> thanks. later, mdke
[09:34] <UndiFineD> mdke, did you catch barrydrake 's guide to natty ?
[20:54] <mdke> UndiFineD: no
[20:55] <UndiFineD> good morning :)
[20:56] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts/Research?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=simple_guide_natty_unity.pdf
[20:56] <UndiFineD> mdke, also poke alanbell about an accessibility chapter he wrote
[21:16] <mdke> UndiFineD: that's helpful, we are a bit short on accessibility material
[22:09] <MrChrisDruif> UBT Wiki FG meeting just started. Anyone who wants to join #ubuntu-meeting is welcome


[23:17] <hbogert_> Sorry if this was answered yesterday, but I cant find archives for this channel/room. Question was as follows: What options do I have if wish to move a easyrsa application, which is currently deployed on a MAAS node, to another node


[00:54] <slangasek> bdmurray: remind me how update-manager determines which sources are third-party?  I just had it disable archive.ubuntu.com on an attempted upgrade to utopic
[01:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: hmmm possibly related to my /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/local-mirrors.cfg no longer having the expected effect
[07:51] <tseliot> hi, can and admin reject xorg-server-lts-saucy from precise-proposed, please? (I forgot to include the previous release in the diff)
[08:01] <infinity> tseliot: Done.
[08:01] <tseliot> infinity: thanks
[12:42] <superm1> slangasek: currently http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/precise/ appears to be building still daily, can you change it so that the LTS's that build daily will be the trusty LTS instead at this point?
[12:43] <cjwatson> We haven't started any trusty LTS builds yet
[12:44] <cjwatson> I was planning to do that after the livefs infrastructure changes are done
[12:58] <ScottK> Do CI train packages somehow skip binary New?  qtdeclarative-opensource-src grew a new binary in the last upload and I don't see where it hit new.
[13:27] <xnox> cjwatson: well, can we spin up mythubuntu trusty daily? mythbuntu have fixes in -updates that unbreak mythubuntu ubiqyity plugins.
[13:28] <xnox> (e.g. to prevent installer from crashing if one chooses vnc option)
[13:28] <infinity> ScottK: All copies skip binary NEW, it's a longstanding bug.
[13:29] <ScottK> Sigh.
[13:30] <infinity> Well, s/bug/misfeature/ ... It's not trivial to fix, but it's on the TODO.
[13:30] <ScottK> So CI train is both a backdoor for non-developers to upload and gets less scrutiny.
[13:30] <infinity> Pretty much means completely rewriting what a copy is.
[13:30] <ogra_> could some archive admin let golang-udm out of NEW ?
[13:32] <ScottK> infinity: that or deciding copy from CI train isn't the right way.
[13:32] <infinity> ScottK: All copies have this particular problem, and we're not going to stop using them entirely, so it's a bug that needs fixing.
[13:32] <ScottK> AFAICT source only copy and rebuild would make it hit new.
[13:32] <infinity> Yes, it would.
[13:33] <infinity> But it would also invalidate to some extent the binary testing that was done, as well as being a waste of resources.
[13:34] <ScottK> The tests get rerun anyway for migration from proposed don't they?
[13:34] <infinity> Different testing.  Which is, indeed, also a problem IMO.
[13:34] <infinity> All the testing they do should be done at the -proposed stage, not before.
[13:35] <ScottK> I agree it would cost some additional resources, but I don't think it would be a waste.
[13:42] <infinity> ScottK: So, I'm curious what the deep concern here is in this case.  I assume the package rename was warranted.
[13:42] <infinity> ScottK: The broken one only existed in utopic, so the earlier it's fixed, the sooner they can drop the transitional one and pretend like it never happened.
[13:43] <infinity> (or just P/C/R it out of existence, which is probably smarter than a transitional)
[13:44] <infinity> ScottK: Your review didn't raise any technical arguments for why it was bad, just that it should wait to be less of a hassle.
[13:44] <ScottK> Given new gets skipped, it doesn't matter.
[13:44] <jamespage> bdmurray, picked up a new ceph bug whilst testing proposed yesterday/today - its not technically a regression compared to release - bug 1322498
[13:44] <ScottK> I mostly don't appreciate being ignored.
[13:45] <jamespage> bdmurray, I have a tested fix but wanted to check whether I should let bug 1278466 release first or stack it ontop of the existing proposed package
[13:46] <ScottK> If comments from people who aren't on their team are going to be ignored, let's quit pretending there's community involvement.
[13:47] <ScottK> If someone had said CI train uploads skip new so it doesn't matter then I'd have said go for it.
[13:48] <infinity> ScottK: It landed in the distro 5 hours BEFORE your review.  I'm not sure what responsiveness you were hoping for.
[13:48] <infinity> 6 hours, even.
[13:50] <ScottK> infinity: OK.  Then that's a different bug.
[13:50] <ScottK> I've NFC why it's even sent out for review.
[13:51] <ScottK> Thanks for pointing that out.
[13:52] <infinity> I suspect it's a bit of a disconnect between CI train reusing LP MPs for its own test-and-approve process (probably a good thing, component reuse, for the win) and the fact that that's also spamming real people who subscribe to those packages. :/
[13:53] <infinity> Though I *am* curious what the CI stuff does if a real person registers a negative review before the bot returns a positive one.
[13:53] <infinity> Cause that should probably halt it.
[13:54] <Laney> It doesn't check the reviews or status at all AIUI
[13:54] <infinity> Laney: Yeah, that would seem to me to be a problem.  A bot-driven MP like this should still allow humans to play along.
[13:55] <ScottK> Also if it's automatically copied,  the MP get automatically merged so people don't review stale proposals.
[13:55] <infinity> (Obviously not in this case, where Scott was 6h too late, but let's assume he got a review in before someone hit the big red publish button, that button should tell them "hey, a human had an issue on this MP, dude")
[13:55] <ScottK> Yep.
[13:56] <ScottK> But in this case something should have marked it merged when it was copied.
[13:56] <ScottK> Then I wouldn't have reviewed a stale proposal.
[13:57] <Laney> Hrm
[13:57] <Laney> Was this a source package upload through the train?
[13:57] <ogra_> if it was the train you should file a bug ...
[13:57] <infinity> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/kubuntu-packaging/qtdeclarative-opensource-src_fixpkgname/+merge/220601
[13:57] <infinity> It was that.  Whatever that means.  Looks trainy.
[13:57] <Laney> infinity: I see it
[13:58] <Laney> Train can handle human uploads to its PPAs too
[13:58] <Laney> but I think you lose any merging-back if you do that
[13:58] <ogra_> yeah
[14:02] <sil2100> When direct uploads are being made and handled by the CI train, no bzr merges are made by the infrastructure
[14:02] <Laney> I think if I was going to upload it then I'd have just pushed the branch instead of creating a merge proposal
[14:02] <ogra_> then you make robru jobless :P
[14:03] <ogra_> i guess he was the one who merged it and drove it through the train
[14:03] <ogra_> (guessing by the landing time)
[14:04] <xnox> ScottK: branch merges happen at -proposed -> release copy stage, not during ppa -> proposed copy.
[14:04] <Laney> ogra_: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-016-2-publish/22/
[14:05] <ScottK> xnox: Why? Anyone I know that manages branches directly tags it when it's uploaded.
[14:05] <ogra_> ah, so Timo himself
[14:06] <ogra_> ScottK, and if the merge expoxes massive errors during autopkgtest ?
[14:06] <xnox> ScottK: during ppa -> -proposed, there is a separate branch available owned by bot.
[14:06] <ScottK> Yet another misfeature.
[14:07] <ogra_> you really dont want it to land in trunk before it passed testing
[14:07] <xnox> ScottK: the idea is that, when things were getting stuck in -proposed -> -release migration, the trunk would move on, without migrating previous release... or something.
[14:09] <xnox> ogra_: testing is meant to be complete by that time (ppa -> -proposed copy)
[14:10] <ogra_> xnox, why do we have proposed->archive then ?
[14:10] <xnox> ogra_: that's britney migration.
[14:10] <xnox> and ADT.
[14:10] <ogra_> testing the package itself is done by that time ... that doesnt mean it plays nicely with the archive
[14:10] <xnox> either manual testing needs to move during proposed->archive stage.
[14:10] <ogra_> or its rdeps
[14:10] <xnox> (e.g. open a blocking bug)
[14:11] <ScottK> ogra: It's already in the archive so what's the point of not making the cvs catch up.
[14:12] <ogra_> ScottK, if issues are found in proposed so that the package gets dropped your branch will be out of sync
[14:12] <ScottK> xnox: In this case it's a packaging branch so trunk moves on isn't relevant.
[14:12] <ogra_> (note that i dont work on CI i'm just a consumer myself)
[14:13] <ogra_> but i think it is logical to wait with merging till *all* testing is done ...
[14:14] <ScottK> ogra: Once it's in the archive it's part of the history of the package.  Not merging and pretending it never happened is just modifying history to ignore what actually happened.
[14:14] <ogra_> but it isnt in the archive until britney lets it
[14:14] <infinity> ogra_: Yes it is.
[14:15] <infinity> ogra_: It's been uploaded to the archive, release pocket is irrelevant to packaging history.
[14:15] <ogra_> we had removals from -proposed in the past, didnt we ?
[14:15] <infinity> On rare occasions, that doesn't mean the upload never existed.
[14:16] <infinity> The right way forward is always forward, even if that's a full revert of the code and a new changelog entry saying "revert the last upload".
[14:16] <ogra_> you shoudl probably involve some train developer/admin in this discussion  ;)
[14:16] <infinity> You still want your VCS to reflect that, maybe someone wants to see what was reverted and why.
[14:17] <infinity> So someone else doesn't try the same broken thing two days later. :P
[14:17] <ogra_> i'm sure there is a reason didrocks picked this way to workflow
[14:17] <ogra_> s/to/of/
[14:18] <ogra_> if it couldnt be merged due to being dropped from proposed the MP histrory will reflect that
[14:18] <infinity> MP history isn't VCS history.
[14:18] <ogra_> admittedly the changelog perhaps wont
[14:18] <infinity> Nor is it package history.
[14:18] <ogra_> depending on the developer and how he works with changelogs
[14:19] <infinity> But I think I'm going to take my sick butt back to bed instead. :P
[14:19] <ogra_> yeah, get better so we can meet next week :)
[14:23] <rcj> arges, Would you have time this morning to look at bug #1275656?
[14:31] <cjwatson> It does actually get committed to revision control when it hits -proposed, just to a different branch
[14:31] <cjwatson> I made the same initial objection but having it on a different branch actually does seem kind of sensible
[14:32] <cjwatson> Or at least defensible
[14:32] <arges> rcj: i already did look at it and sponsored it. What changed?
[14:33] <cjwatson> xnox: I can have a look on Monday, I guess, but probably not today
[14:33] <rcj> arges, ah, the v3 patches from 5/21 are uploaded now?  How do I check these things so that I don't bother you?
[14:33] <arges> rcj: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=open-vm-tools I'll reject the older one
[14:34] <rcj> arges, thanks
[14:35] <arges> rcj: the other one is here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=open-vm-tools
[14:35] <rcj> arges, Thank you.
[14:35] <arges> rcj: no problem
[14:36] <ScottK> cjwatson: I don't understand why.  Once it's in the archive, it's irreversibly there.  Not merging the branch just means the VCS and the archive are out of sync.
[14:38] <ogra_> as you can see above -proposed isnt irreversible
[14:38] <cjwatson> Well, I said defensible not that I necessarily agreed ...
[14:38] <cjwatson> I think this would make a lot more sense in git where you wouldn't have to dig out a separate URL
[14:39] <cjwatson> Then it'd be analogous to "master" and "next"
[14:39] <ScottK> ogra_: For the package history it is.
[15:30] <superm1> can someone axe the mythtv upload in trusty-proposed?  upstream decided to land some patches upstream that fix it more nicely that I would like to test instead
[15:58] <slangasek> superm1: done (the upload axe, not the cdimage change which I will defer to cjwatson on)
[15:58] <superm1> thanks
[15:59] <ogra_> slangasek, do you feel like reviewing another go package ... golang-udm is sitting in NEW since ~1 week now ... and we wannt to work on MMS stuff in malta next week
[15:59] <slangasek> ogra_: I had already reviewed it and spotted some issues that I needed to talk with sergiusens about, unfortunately since he's already in Malta it's been hard to catch him online
[16:00] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:00] <slangasek> I'm assuming you don't want me to do a straight review->reject, so... :)
[16:00] <ogra_> yeah, better not :)
[16:00] <slangasek> anyway, I will try to send an email to him today with my questions, but I guess for all intents and purposes nothing's going to progress on this until Monday now
[16:01] <ogra_> right ... and then you can do it in person anyway
[16:01] <ogra_> which will be faster
[16:01] <slangasek> (unless you want to discuss with me today why this one is using gc again after we sorted out nuntium using gccgo)
[16:02] <ogra_> no, i was just forwarding the request
[16:02]  * slangasek nods
[16:07] <didrocks> xnox: I think the answer to your question is "yes", but I wouldn't guess and let infinity answering
[16:42] <xnox> didrocks: sorry, i think i lost context =)
[16:43] <xnox> only question i had recently, was responded by colin....
[17:09] <ogra_> xnox, who cares about context as long as the answer is positive ;)
[21:37] <Logan_> why was libav rejected?
[21:46] <ScottK> Logan_: it FTBFS on two archs.
[21:46] <ScottK> Starting a transition on just some archs sucks.
[21:48] <Logan_> right, I figured - just making sure
[23:08] <xnox> Logan_: is anybody looking into fixing libav? or shall i take a look.
[23:10] <Logan_> the most I did in terms of looking into fixing it was triaging the appropriate bug for ppc64el :P
[23:10] <Logan_> I'm not sure whether to report the arm64 issue upstream or not
[23:11] <Logan_> xnox: but if you have any ideas on how to fix either, feel free to go ahead with patches
[23:12] <xnox> Logan_: ok, let me try.
[23:17] <infinity> xnox: I was going to look at it.
[23:17] <infinity> xnox: The simple fix is, well, simple.
[23:18] <Logan_> infinity: disabling altivec?
[23:19] <infinity> Logan_: altivec on ppc64el and neon on arm64, yeah.
[23:19] <Logan_> I see that as a stopgap tbh
[23:20] <infinity> As do I.  siretart and I chatted about this last night.
[23:21] <Logan_> would any collaboration with libav upstream help?
[23:21] <infinity> Just needs someone who knows both arches well to sit down with the code and sort out why it's broken.
[23:22] <infinity> I'm assuming similar reasons for both.  The neon code probably assume armv7t2, and the atlivec code probably assume big-endian.
[23:22] <infinity> s/assume/assumes/g
[23:23] <xnox> "assume armv7t2" hm. i thought neon is compatible...
[23:30] <infinity> Or it could just be buggy assembly...
[23:53] <xnox> infinity: well, looking at that file the bits that blow up on arm64 are in the conditional CONFIG_RV40_DECODER, below it there is also CONFIG_VC1_DECODER so possibly just RV40_DECODER could be disabled on arm64
[23:53] <xnox> (assuming that vc1 is not bust)
[23:54] <xnox> (*disabled = neon optimization of RV40 decoder that is)
[23:56] <xnox> hm, or is it bailing because rv40bias constants become undefined even if they are called...... i really have no clue in asm =(


[04:24] <jelmer> hey peitschie
[04:56] <poolie> hi all
[04:57] <mkanat> Hey poolie.
[04:58] <poolie> hi max
[04:59] <mkanat> poolie: Can I /msg you?
[04:59] <poolie> sure
[04:59] <mkanat> Cool.
[05:43] <peitschie> hiya jelmer :)
[05:43] <peitschie> hi poolie
[07:46] <vila> hi all !
[07:48]  * fullermd waves.
[07:49] <vila> _o/
[09:32] <vila> jelmer: ping
[10:28] <catphish> is there anywhere i can find a list of wireprotocol commands?
[10:28] <catphish> specifically i want to know which ones constitute a write request
[10:41] <Nazcafan> hello
[10:41] <Nazcafan> how do I get color diffs with bzr diff?
[10:43] <Nazcafan> ah, found it
[10:43] <Nazcafan> cdiff
[10:43] <Nazcafan> take care
[10:50] <Peng> catphish: You'd probably have to read the source dode.
[10:50] <Peng> code*
[10:50] <catphish> Peng: thanks, I thought that might be the case, was just hoping to same some time :)
[10:52] <fullermd> Well, you could just build a list of all of 'em, then script up running them all against something you don't have write access to, and see what blows up   ;)
[10:53] <Peng> haha
[11:02] <m4rku5> hey, is it possible to "abuse" signed commits for authentication? i.e. only allow commits from certain users (and only if they signed them)?
[11:02] <fullermd> Conceptually?  Sure.  I don't think anybody's implemented such a thing though.
[11:04] <fullermd> I'm not sure that qualifies as abuse, though; sounds like something that's Just Fittin'.
[11:04] <m4rku5> yeah it fits, but it sure was not the original purpose of signed commits
[11:05] <m4rku5> I'm still thinking about how to implement per project authorization for a shared smart-server (i.e. it is hosting multiple projects and I don't feel like giving everyone ssh access)
[11:05] <fullermd> Are you trying to prevent malice or stupidity?
[11:11] <catphish> m4rku5: i'd say the easiest way is with ssh keys and a wrapper script
[11:11] <catphish> rather than signed commits
[11:12] <catphish> im implementing a shared repo with ssh and http ACLs
[11:35] <m4rku5> catphish, i was thinking about that, how would you do that ? match the part of the url before .bzr/smart?
[11:36] <m4rku5> oh what ssh and http?
[11:37] <catphish> m4rku5: on ssh you need a wrapper that knows what access you have and runs the appropriate bzr serve commands
[11:38] <catphish> with http, yes, you detect the string before .bzr/smart and inject that as the branch name
[11:38] <catphish> i spent a whole day figuring that part out
[11:39] <m4rku5> yeah but with https only (which is what i am planning) you would need to use different auth. backend depending on the path before .bzr/smart
[11:40] <catphish> with http you use http basic auth
[11:40] <m4rku5> yeah ive got it setup to use basic auth via htpasswd atm
[11:41] <m4rku5> and i was thinking about ways to have per project access
[11:41] <catphish> well that's fine isn't it?
[11:41] <catphish> you can use htpasswd like that
[11:41] <m4rku5> yeah well at the moment it is: you have access everywhere or nowhere
[11:42] <catphish> you can use htaccess filesto set that up
[11:42] <m4rku5> if i had used apache i could ;) using lighttpd right now, which I think might be a problem
[11:43] <catphish> i don't know
[11:43] <catphish> never used acl in it
[11:43] <catphish> my implementation is based on a custom ruby server
[14:31] <ccxCZ> a question about hooks if I may, I want to do equivalent of push_and_update, only for specific repository and on a server side preferably
[14:32] <ccxCZ> is post_change_branch_tip the right hook for that?
[14:32] <ccxCZ> did anybody implement this yet?
[15:03] <jam> morning vila
[15:04] <vila> morning jam !
[15:04]  * vila lower volume damn it
[15:07] <ccxCZ> would you guys help me writing a hook for bzr?
[15:07] <ccxCZ> s/writing/write/
[15:10] <ccxCZ> I want to update (lightweight) checkout upon a commit to specific branch, serverside
[15:11] <ccxCZ> now first thing that would be handy would be some good API docs. So far I googled this: http://naesten.dyndns.org:8080/bzrlib-docs/bzrlib.html
[15:16] <ccxCZ> how do I get some useable object from the checkout's path?
[15:16] <vila> ccxCZ: have a look into builtins.py, best source of examples
[15:16] <vila> open_containing_*(path)
[15:19] <ccxCZ> ah, checkout == WorkingTree in bzr lingo
[15:44] <pickscrape___> Hi, a colleague of mine just encountered bug 400351 using bzr 2.2.2. Should I reopen the bug, and what is the best way for him to recreate his dirstate? (Oh, and bzr check --tree triggers the same error).
[16:33] <ccxCZ> when using b.c.Config / BranchConfig, do I have to flush changes somehow?
[16:33] <ccxCZ> or use locking, for that matter
[18:42] <lifeless> vila: around?
[19:24] <pickscrape> Hi, a colleague of mine just encountered bug 400351 using bzr 2.2.2. Should I reopen the bug, and what is the best way for him to recreate his dirstate? (Oh, and bzr check --tree triggers the same error).
[19:25] <jelmer> pickscrape: just getting rid of the .bzr/checkout directory and then running 'bzr co' IIRC
[19:26] <pickscrape> jelmer: thanks, I'll get him to give that a try tomorrow.
[19:27] <maxb> jelmer: Hi. I seem to be experiencing some odd test failures with bzr-git (maverick and below) and dulwich (karmic) in ~bzr/proposed. Do you think you could eyeball the buildlogs and see if they are at all meaningful to you?
[19:28] <jelmer> maxb: looking
[19:29] <jelmer> maxb: is this based on the packaging in debian or completely independent?
[19:29] <maxb> it is based on debian, the changes are few, if any
[19:30] <maxb> None for bzr-git, just some minor tweaks for dulwich/karmic
[19:30] <jelmer> maxb: the version of C git used is too old I think
[19:30] <jelmer> hmm
[19:31] <jelmer> no, that's not it
[19:32] <jelmer> maxb: sorry, I don't know what's happening there. I haven't those errors before, either.
[19:32] <maxb> Ok :-)
[19:32] <jelmer> *seen
[19:33] <maxb> The bzr-git problem doesn't reproduce on my local maverick box, which could make debugging "interesting"
[19:34] <jelmer> have you tried on a karmic vm?
[19:58] <maxb> I don't have VMs conveniently to hand, perhaps I'll try in a pbuilder chroot
[22:14] <Rcart> Hello. I've pushed a branch to lp:~id/ubuntu/etc/etc, and i want to remove the quilt patch that i applied to that branch. So, i follow these steps to try to make it: get the branch, cd the branch, quilt pop thepatch.patch, but here says: "No patches deleted" and the patched files still keep patched. Sorry if this isn't the correct place to ask.
[22:15] <Rcart> Any suggestion trying to unpatch the files?
[22:19] <maxb> Rcart: The quilt metadata in the branch may be incorrect, is my best guess
[22:22] <Rcart> maxb: Ok, i have another branch (of the same package) that would like to replace the pushed branch on lp, can i do that?
[22:23] <maxb> replace it completely, including history? (quite a major/destructive change?)
[22:24] <Rcart> no, just replace the patch in the branch
[22:25] <maxb> Then I don't understand what you're saying, sorry, because your two last lines appear to imply different things
[22:26] <maxb> It might be easier if you gave links to the two branches on Launchpad to illustrate the situation
[22:27] <Rcart> Ok, here's the branch: lp:~rcart/ubuntu/natty/bittornado/fix-420387
[22:28] <Rcart> i want to remove the las patch that i aplied before pushing the branch
[22:28] <Rcart> when i get my branch i LP, i cannot remove the patch (quilt pop patchname.patch) and says: "no patches deleted"
[22:29] <Rcart> because i cannot remove the patch, i get an original branch from bittornado: bzr branch lp:/ubuntu/bittornado
[22:30] <Rcart> and the, created a patch that would replace the patch in the LP branch
[22:34] <maxb> erm, why are you creating .dpatch files in a quilt-managed project?
[22:35] <maxb> updating Standards-Version in an Ubuntu package is wrong
[22:36] <maxb> oh, sorry, ok, the packaging in debian is a bit mad, and uses .dpatch naming
[22:36] <Rcart> yeah yeah, the reviewer in the branch told me that too, that's why i've worked in a new patch to fix the corrections
[22:37] <Rcart> i just followed the naming, the patch i quilt format (:
[22:37] <Rcart> is*
[22:37] <maxb> You should not remove the CVS directory, it does no harm, and unnecessary deviation from debian is to be avoided
[22:38] <maxb> You certainly shouldn't only remove one CVS directory of the many throughout the tree
[22:39] <maxb> So, am I understanding right that you now have a replacement change in a fresh branch off lp:ubuntu/bittornado, and you wish to blow away the existing contents of lp:~rcart/ubuntu/natty/bittornado/fix-420387, replacing it with your new fresh branch?
[22:39] <maxb> If so, bzr push --overwrite is what you're looking for
[22:39] <Rcart> yeah, i got that correction from the comments of users in the branch
[22:41] <Rcart> any consequences replacing the branch in LP ?
[22:42] <maxb> If there was any likelyhood your existing changes had been merged anywhere or others were basing changes of their own on them, it would be undesirable
[22:43] <maxb> In this case it should be fine
[22:44] <Rcart> the branch is proposing for merge, but needs fixes, so i think according to what you say that there's no problem (:
[22:47] <Rcart> maxb: btw, i removed the CVS directory because when trying to use debcommit command, it was complaining about .cvs directory
[22:48] <Rcart> so, taking advantage of the occasion, what's the difference between bzr commit and debcommit?
[22:52] <maxb> debcommit wraps bzr commit, providing a commit message suggested from the changes to debian/changelog
[22:56] <Rcart> maxb: but when i was trying to use debcommit, this was complaining about the CVS directoy and just worked when i removed it, but when i used bzr commit there was no problem, what do you think was the problem?
[23:04] <maxb> debcommit does not *only* work for bzr, it aims to detect the version control system in use and behave appropriately
[23:06] <Rcart> maxb: Ok, thanks a lot for your help.
[23:12] <jam> morning poolie
[23:13] <jam> that is, if you've recovered from your flight back by now
[23:18] <lifeless> jam: we was around earlier
[23:38] <poolie> hi jam, i am back and i'm doing ok
[23:42] <jam> poolie: good to hear