[12:19] <DjViper> hehe
[12:20] <Mihai> Im looking for a monopoly type game in ubuntu?
[12:20] <rusher> there are some in synaptic
[12:20] <rusher> i beleive it is called aatlantic
[12:20] <Hexidigital> rusher::  do you have sendmail installed?  iirc, with sendmail installed, cronjobs run as root will be emailed to an alias user (usually the first username set up)
[12:20] <DarthLappy> atlantik?
[12:20] <rusher> im checking
[12:21] <rusher> ATLANTIK
[12:21] <Mihai> rusher:  :)
[12:21] <rusher> i should setup sendmail
[12:21] <rusher> lol
[12:23] <DjViper> how do I change mousepointer? and where can I dl new?
[12:24] <Hexidigital> DjViper::  what desktop environment? gnome or kde?
[12:24] <DjViper> Hexidigital: gnome, and I know HOW to change between the ones I have installed, I want to know how to add more etc.
[12:25] <rusher> anyone have problems with kmedia?
[12:25] <eugenics> Hello folks ;)
[12:25] <wahl> how to start the windows xp install fron ubuntu? it won't boot, and wine doesn't start the install, how to? :)
[12:25] <compengi> hi
[12:25] <Hexidigital> DjViper::  i'm pretty sure it's the same as installing a new desktop theme.. unfortunately that's as far as i can help, because i use KEP
[12:25] <Hexidigital> *KDE
[12:25] <rusher> you need qemu
[12:26] <DjViper> Hexidigital: okay
[12:26] <rusher> wahl download qemu
[12:26] <rusher> i instaleld xp on my ubuntu box that way
[12:26] <Hexidigital> !vmware | wahl
[12:26] <ubotu> wahl: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[12:26] <compengi> wahl, why it doesn't boot?
[12:27] <Hexidigital> DjViper::  try here -- www.gnome-look.org
[12:27] <wahl> i don't know, i think i burnt it wrong, but the install work i know it, ( tested it on my windows, befor i installed linux)
[12:27] <rusher> my windows does not work because it can not verify the activation
[12:27] <Valmarko> Can I install fluxbox in Ubuntu?
[12:27] <rusher> yes
[12:27] <un_operateur> Valmarko, sure
[12:27] <mojojojo__> un_operateur, I found interesting site for explanation of kernel options http://tlug.up.ac.za/old/guides/lkcg/lkcg_config.html
[12:27] <rusher> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[12:27] <DjViper> Hexidigital: thanks
[12:27] <Valmarko> tanks
[12:28] <wahl> rusher : witch of al these qemu
[12:28] <wahl> ?
[12:28] <compengi> btw wahl if you want to install 2 os on same pc and on different partitions then you should install windows then ubuntu because windows kills ubuntu start up
[12:29] <wahl> i only want windows now
[12:29] <compengi> wahl, then you need to make the cd boot from the start up
[12:30] <wahl> damn:S
[12:30] <wahl> then i need a new cd:S
[12:30] <wahl> rusher: help me?
[12:30] <wahl> xD
[12:31] <rusher> download all the qemu
[12:31] <dromer> hi, is there a channel on flash9 development? I'm having trouble running a certain youtube video and I was wondering if it could be flash9-beta related
[12:31] <wahl> accelerator to?
[12:31] <rusher> yes
[12:32] <wahl> kaj
[12:32] <Onore_e_Gloria> hi
[12:32] <compengi> dromer, your answer is right there http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[12:33] <wahl> rusher: i don't have athority:S
[12:33] <Zaggynl> Anyone uses mpd in here?
[12:34] <compengi> dromer, i think it's the same as previous link http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[12:34] <compengi> dromer, just to be on the safe side
[12:34] <rusher> rin it as root
[12:35] <dromer> compengi: I'm not sure what you mean compengi, if it's more of a bug-report issue ..
[12:35] <un_operateur> dromer, flash9 is not open-source - why'd you expect a dev-channel to exist? :)
[12:35] <dromer> compengi: I'm dapper btw
[12:36] <dromer> un_operateur: hmm, true, but, you know, somebody is working on it :P
[12:36] <un_operateur> dromer, only adobe/macromedia are :)
[12:36] <wahl> omg, this is wierd
[12:38] <dromer> btw, this doesn't work: $ sudo update-flashplugin
[12:38] <dromer> sudo: update-flashplugin: command not found
[12:38] <extern> hey, which IDE would you suggest for C++ development? I would like it to have something similar to microsofts' intelllisense
[12:38] <dromer> from: $ sudo update-flashplugin
[12:38] <dromer> sudo: update-flashplugin: command not found
[12:38] <dromer> woeps
[12:38] <dromer> $ sudo update-flashplugin
[12:38] <dromer> my bad
[12:38] <dromer> bad copy/paste on synergy
[12:39] <eugenics> Anyone from India around?
[12:40] <un_operateur> extern, I think the best one might be anjuta
[12:41] <Zaggynl> Anyone knows howto give a user rights to read from an automatically mounted NTFS usb volume?
[12:41] <raf256> my black friend told me that ubuntu if NOT an african word connected to ability of configuring anything, is he telling the truth?
[12:41] <wahl> rusher: i can't ectract them, i don't have athority to do it:S
[12:42] <un_operateur> raf256, ubuntu is a zulu word that loosely relates to "being humane"/humanity
[12:42] <extern> I'll take a look at it
[12:42] <jatt> raf256: no idea, but it seems you are implying that because your friend is black, he should know about african words.  I would like hear sound from application run under Wine. I try to use winecfg, but it give me error "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:456:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory". What is Alsa?
[12:43] <eugenics> would vmware work?
[12:43] <flossgeek> Alsa is the soundarchitecture
[12:43] <compengi> raf256, if he is black this doesn't mean he knows african ;)
[12:43] <rob> don't feed the troll :D
[12:43] <un_operateur> compengi, african isnt a language :)
[12:43] <raf256> its a tarp
[12:44] <compengi> un_operateur, i mean know african words
[12:45] <raf256> compengi: yes that was my point, so I told him "niga pleas, you dont know all the dialects"
[12:45] <un_operateur> compengi, you mean "know zulu words" .. there are over 50 main languages spoken in all of africa
[12:45] <raf256> and he responed that Im white and nerdy :(
[12:45] <dint> What can I do to make the sound works? I check on synaptic Pacakage manager, Alsa-base is installed.
[12:46] <jatt> raf256: (OT: are you from poland?)
[12:46] <petros> hi, how can i deactivate the shutdown by pressing the power button on the pc?
[12:46] <compengi> un_operateur, i didn't specify any language cause i don't know in what language is word ubuntu so i just said african, in which i meant but african word :)
[12:47] <raf256> jatt: yes, poland - the communistic kingdom in cener of europe
[12:47] <jatt> raf256: that's fine
[12:47] <compengi> i meant by*
[12:47] <warkruid> dint: does sound work under ubuntu? Not under wine i mean
[12:47] <raf256> jatt: you might be ammused by the fact that our goverment want to make Jesus the King of Poland. and that one is for real (check internet)
[12:47] <un_operateur> compengi, that's like defining hello to be an european word  :) which is ludicrous
[12:47] <dint> warkruid: Yes, it work
[12:48] <flossgeek> dint: do u have no sound what so ever
[12:48] <jatt> raf256: I am not amused by that. In fact I find your trolling boring.  I'll try to find out
[12:49] <skenmy> Hi all. I just installed Ubuntu Edgy, but i'm having trouble getting my sound card to work. lspci shows it but aplay -l does not. alsamixer also does not "see" the card. It is an Audigy 2 ZS Platinum, and any help in getting it working would be much appreciated :)
[12:49] <flossgeek> fransth: are you on dapper or edgy
[12:50] <un_operateur> skenmy, asoundconf --help
[12:50] <blackelf> Juhaz: actually I finded his nonsense rambling amusing
[12:50] <flossgeek> Skenmy:strange you should have no probs with that card
[12:50] <skenmy> I've never had problems before.
[12:51] <skenmy> un_operateur: asoundconf list does not display the card either.
[12:51] <dint> warkruid: I hear nothing from any application under wine. I read that I need to configure it using winecfg, but if I press the tab "Audio", the winecfg window is close with error, ALSA lib seq_hw.c:456:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory. Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-userx". can't create mcop directory.
[12:51] <flossgeek> skenmy got o System>PreferencesSound and make sure your default sound card is Audigu 2 ZS
[12:51] <skenmy> It isn't listed there.
[12:51] <POVaddct> fransth: intel 915gm runs with the i810 driver from xorg
[12:51] <un_operateur> skenmy, it probably means you need to install the driver for the card manually
[12:52] <dint> flossgeek: yes, no sound under wine. :(
[12:52] <skenmy> What confuses me even more is that the logon sounds work fine.
[12:52] <flossgeek> skenmy: so it is working, go to the sound preferences
[12:53] <skenmy> The card is not listed in sound preferences
[12:53] <obstfliege> moinsen
[12:53] <blackelf> rob: why you banned the poor guy?
[12:53] <POVaddct> hi obstfliege
[12:53] <skenmy> I see a USB Device (my voip phone) and my onboard audio
[12:53] <fransth> POVaddct, i try it, but the problem now, Ubuntu installer dont recognizae it, xorg thing it is intel 915, but GM is not 915
[12:54] <rob> blackelf: do "/lastlog raf256" and find out :D
[12:54] <flossgeek> skenmy: in Device Manager is the sound card detected
[12:54] <blackelf> rob: its a trap
[12:54] <POVaddct> fransth: then choose vesa for the moment and change to i810 manually later on
[12:54] <obstfliege> POVaddct, hi
[12:54] <fransth> i try it, but still not working :(
[12:54] <skenmy> I do see it listed
[12:54] <warkruid> dint: in command shell can you start "alsamixer" or does that bomb also?
[12:54] <fransth> POVaddct, mm so the type i810
[12:55] <dint> warkruid: It run perfectly
[12:55] <POVaddct> fransth: strange. i had no problems with i915gm at all
[12:55] <POVaddct> flossgeek: (in a ibm tp x41 notebook)
[12:55] <fransth> POVaddct, can give me your steps there?
[12:55] <fransth> POVaddct, or your xorg.conf may be :P
[12:55] <POVaddct> fransth: i didnt had to do anything
[12:55] <warkruid> dint: then it is definitly the wine config thats faulty.. Still looking..
[12:55] <POVaddct> fransth: i am not on ubuntu right now
[12:55] <skenmy> ah
[12:56] <skenmy> right - it seems to be appearing now
[12:56] <flossgeek> skenmy:what did u do?
[12:56] <skenmy> under the name "HDA ULI M5461"
[12:56] <skenmy> I have no idea. Haven't changed anything
[12:56] <dint> warkruid: okey, thanks.
[12:56] <skenmy> Still no sound though.
[12:56] <mike-ekim> i was having an error with zimbra starting up Tomcat
[12:56] <mike-ekim> telling me JRE_HOME is not defined
[12:56] <POVaddct> fransth: is your ubuntu machine connected to the internet directly? (without a NAT router)
[12:56] <mike-ekim> and I dont think java is installed in my system, can someone ehlpo
[12:56] <mike-ekim> help*
[12:57] <flossgeek> skenmy:open a terminal and type alsamixer and ensure your channel are up
[12:57] <blinx> where apt saves the information of the installed packages?
[12:57] <fransth> POVaddct, not connected
[12:57] <fransth> POVaddct,  what is NAT router anyway :P
[12:57] <POVaddct> fransth: hmm, so remote helping would have been easier
[12:57] <skenmy> It can't be my Audigy. alsamixer says the chip is a Realtek (which is my onboard audio)
[12:57] <skenmy> but channels are up
[12:58] <fransth> POVaddct, cannot, this is indonesia :P
[12:58] <POVaddct> fransth: a router doing network address translation (mostly masquerading)
[12:58] <flossgeek> skenmy: when you go to System>Pref>Sound you should be able to choose which sound device you want to take priority
[12:58] <fransth> POVaddct, cannot i think, the ISP make me under proxy
[12:58] <skenmy> Yes - My card is *not* listed there.
[12:58] <mojojojo__> rob well if you kicked raf256 out for statement about Jesus and making him king of Poland... well, it's not trolling, it's the fact :).. but anyway, this is not a channel for such discussion
[12:58] <POVaddct> fransth: but you do have internet connection, or how do you irc here?
[12:59] <flossgeek> skenmy: it isnt detected then
[12:59] <rob> sigh.. mojojojo__ right, so please don't bring it up here, pm me instead if you have a problem
[12:59] <skenmy> lspci shows the card exists
[12:59] <skenmy> Device Manager shows the card
[12:59] <flossgeek> skenmy: stange i have similar card and mine is fine
[12:59] <mojojojo__> rob k
[12:59] <skenmy> I've never had issues before :P
[01:00] <skenmy> Hence why i'm so confused
[01:00] <fransth> POVaddct, i have internet connection, but you cannot access here, but i can go outside... you want to remote right
[01:00] <POVaddct> fransth: would be much easier
[01:01] <mike-ekim> does anyone klnow a good repository to download java jre
[01:01] <rob> !java
[01:01] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:01] <fransth> POVaddct, sorry cannot remote, because my ip under several level of router, and the ISP not allowd me to be part of global
[01:02] <warkruid>  dint: Do you have the OSS compatibility modules installed?  Onboard audio and a USB Device
[01:04] <fransth> POVaddct, ok, i will try it, what is the different between 915 which in my xorg.conf and i810?
[01:04] <dint> warkruid: I've succesfully fix the error. I create a folder that needed to run winecfg. Thanks for help.
[01:04] <flossgeek> skenmy: we need to see why it isnt being detected
[01:04] <warkruid> dint: glad to hear it. No thnx needed.
[01:04] <skenmy> Okay
[01:04] <POVaddct> fransth: there is no specific 915 driver. i810 is a class driver that can handle i810, i815, i830, i845, i865, i915
[01:05] <fransth> ok
[01:05] <fransth> POVaddct, i will take a  look. update soon
[01:05] <fransth> POVaddct, thx my friend
[01:05] <POVaddct> k
[01:08] <skenmy> flossgeek: and...how would we do that?
[01:10] <Zaggynl> Can anyone help me with this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1931845 ?
[01:11] <F1Online> happy holidays :D
[01:11] <jengc0il> re
[01:11] <jengc0il> hi there
[01:11] <F1Online> hi
[01:11] <viller> I can't umount it says drive is busy?
[01:11] <flossgeek> skenmy: I am looking into this issue, but I think it would be best to post to the forums or mailing list for your issue than here
[01:12] <jengc0il> how to update package
[01:12] <jengc0il> ?
[01:12] <skenmy> flossgeek - okay thanks :)
[01:12] <wsk170> jengc0il:apt-get -h
[01:13] <F1Online> anyone knows how to get WLAN working with edgy 6.10
[01:13] <F1Online> i tried yesterday and some1 said to install network manager
[01:13] <viller> I'm trying to umount but it says drive is busy. I can't umount?
[01:13] <F1Online> i did that but can  seem to find it
[01:13] <flossgeek> skenmy: Cause you could switch back to dapper
[01:14] <Lynoure> viller: maybe some files from the drive are still in use, try   lsof | grep yourmountpoint
[01:14] <skenmy> This is a fresh install
[01:14] <strk> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old pentium system, pressing "Forward" at keyboard layout selection I have the "busy" cursor and it is taking a long time, but I don't see activity neither on the DVD reader, nor on the HDD led... is there a way to check wheter the process is stuck or this is normal procedure ?
[01:15] <jengc0il> wsk170: then after that
[01:15] <flossgeek> skenmy:Edgy is well er edgy
[01:15] <strk> This is "Dapper" (or Drapper?)
[01:15] <viller> lynoure: it gives me some kind of an error
[01:16] <Lynoure> viller: then what to do depends on the kind of error you got
[01:16] <viller> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow Output information may be incomplete.
[01:17] <Lynoure> viller: and no lines of open files?
[01:17] <viller> allready got it to work, thanks anyway lynoure
[01:17] <un_operateur> viller, you probably need  -  sudo lsof | grep /yourmpoint
[01:17] <Lynoure> Damn, I need to go to the store now...
[01:17] <viller> cool name
[01:19] <wsk170> so many "ubuntuer"
[01:19] <Naik0> Hojj!
[01:19] <F1Online> anyone dutch here >?
[01:19] <wsk170> it shou be ubuntuor  haha
[01:20] <viller> I created a new partition with ext3 as the filesystem and it has already 1.16gb of space used :S??
[01:20] <viller> ext3 sucks
[01:20] <elkbuntu> F1Online, there might be some dutch people in #ubuntu-nl ;)
[01:20] <F1Online> thnx
[01:20] <lupine_85> viller: nah, ext3 is fine
[01:20] <lupine_85> how large is the partition?
[01:21] <viller> 62.50 gb
[01:21] <fromvega> Hello!
[01:21] <wsk170> what's your filesystem?
[01:22] <lupine_85> viller: well, the 5% reserved would be 3.odd GB, so it's not that
[01:22] <zokzok> kann hier jemand deutsch (german )
[01:22] <sb> merry xmas!!!
[01:22] <viller> lupine_85 I didn't understand ur sentence
[01:23] <sb> is there someone that is having problems with edgy+hplip?
[01:23] <wsk170> what is hplip?
[01:24] <sb> wsk170: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/
[01:24] <zokzok> i want to go in ah german ubuntu channel need help
[01:24] <levan_tt> !hi
[01:24] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[01:24] <sb> xorllu: #ubuntu-de
[01:24] <fromvega> I have setup an internet gateway with Ubuntu Server, iptables and SQUID, it's working almost the time but I can't access external POP3, SMTP and some (not all) HTTPS sites (like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetConnectionSharing). Could you help-me please?
[01:24] <sb> zokzok: \join # ubuntu-de
[01:25] <sb> zokzok: /join #ubuntu-de
[01:25] <zokzok> thx
[01:26] <hope13> can someone recommend me a IDE? (other than eclipse)
[01:27] <hope13> that runs on linux
[01:27] <sb> hope13: anjuta?
[01:27] <sb> hope13: emacs
[01:27] <viller> hope13 check the programming forum on ubuntuforums.org
[01:27] <rob> hope13: vim
[01:27] <hope13> emacs is an editor hehe
[01:27] <sb> hope13: the latter is the best os around.
[01:27] <viller> it has a topic called "favourite IDE" or something
[01:27] <hope13> oh
[01:28] <hope13> thx again
[01:28] <viller> there are a lot of good ones there
[01:28] <viller> I personally like geany which is very lightweight
[01:28] <lupine_85> emacs is an operating system :(
[01:28] <hope13> i like emacs for light weight
[01:28] <lupine_85> nano++
[01:28] <hope13> i thought it was an editor
[01:28] <viller> it is they're joking
[01:28] <sb> hope13: /kidding dude
[01:28] <lupine_85> 'emacs is an OS' is a joke. mostly.
[01:29] <hope13> oh
[01:29] <hope13> lol
[01:29] <sb> lupine_85: sure of that?
[01:29] <lupine_85> mostly
[01:29] <lupine_85> it can do everything except GIMP-type stuff. Well, last I checked
[01:29] <lupine_85> it might have been improved on since then
[01:30] <sb> lupine_85: emacs with linux as devicedriver can do everything you want ..
[01:30] <lupine_85> sb: nah, Real Emacers Use HURD
[01:30] <Heroin> i run a ircd-hybrid server howdo i stop it? or restart it?
[01:30] <lafielle> Hi, I just formatted an NTFS partition to ext3.. What should I change the UUID in fstab to ?
[01:31] <lupine_85> HURD + EMACS = RMS-OS :p
[01:31] <sb> lupine_85: maybe ure talking about GNU
[01:31] <nilsl> Emacs buuuu
[01:31] <nilsl> *booo
[01:31] <nilsl> :D
[01:31] <sb> which is something different from hurd.
[01:31] <lupine_85> the GNU Hurd ?
[01:31] <Heroin> i run a ircd-hybrid server howdo i stop it? or restart it?
[01:31] <sb> nilsl: you can harakiri when you want.
[01:31] <sb> lupine_85: no, just GNU distribution ..
[01:31] <sb> s//the
[01:31] <lupine_85> GNU/Hurd + GNU/Emacs = GNU/RMS-OS
[01:31] <rob> ubotu: repeat | Heroin
[01:31] <ubotu> Heroin: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:31] <lupine_85> happy? :)
[01:32] <lafielle> j #linux
[01:32] <nilsl> sb: Yes, it's harakiri to run Emacs.
[01:32] <lafielle> er
[01:32] <sb> nilsl: :D
[01:32] <nilsl> Hehe
[01:32] <sb> lupine_85: if youre happy like that..
[01:32] <rob> Heroin: there usually is an executable under /usr/bin or wherever you installed it
[01:32] <hope13> ah... i'mma stick with emacs lol
[01:32] <lupine_85> sb: nah, I run Debian/Shuttleworth-OS
[01:33] <troughton> i am having problems with fglrx it wont register entrypoint
[01:33] <sb> lupine_85: http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/GNU/gnu-0.2/
[01:33] <sb> lupine_85: that is the GNU distribution, that is NOT hurd.
[01:33] <lupine_85> oh, they got it to compile? Good on them
[01:34] <sb> lupine_85: its 2 yrs old ..
[01:34] <sb> lupine_85: they got it sometimes ago.
[01:34] <fromvega> I'm configuring a linux gateway with NAT. The client machines have static ip addr. I do not want to configure the DNS information on the clients. What do I need to do in the gateway machine to be able to get internet access other than HTTP (because I running squid).
[01:34] <lupine_85> http://www.update.uu.se/~ams/GNU/gnu-0.2/README: "This is the Hurd.  Welcome."
[01:34] <lupine_85> I know what GNU is, don't worry
[01:35] <sb> lupine_85: dude, nowadays hurd is using l2 ..
[01:35] <sb> or something like that can't remember
[01:35] <lupine_85> and still doesn't work properly :p
[01:35] <lupine_85> microkernel--
[01:35] <troughton> how do i set fglrx ??
[01:36] <sb> btw PPL I'm using hp-makeuri with edgy and i keep on getting this error msg:error: Unable to connect to hpiod.
[01:37] <lupine_85> troughton: sudo apt-get install xorg-drivers-fglrx && sudo sed -i "s/vesa/fglrx" /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo sed -i "s/ati/fglrx" /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/?dm reload should do it
[01:38] <fransth> POVaddct, i try it, and got error,
[01:38] <fransth> i810 right?
[01:38] <fransth> POVaddct, i810 right?
[01:39] <fransth> POVaddct, r u there?
[01:43] <fransth> anyone have experience with i915GM?
[01:45] <Neskato23> hi everybody!
[01:46] <Neskato23> where can i find the splash image showed after grub, when OS is loading
[01:47] <un_operateur> !usplash
[01:47] <swim>  is there absolutely anyway to install something that makes ubuntu look/feel like ubuntustudio is planned to look for?
[01:47] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before the login screen appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[01:48] <Neskato23> thx ubotu : ))
[01:50] <Naik0> i cant configure gaim 2.0beta5
[01:50] <Naik0> i get this error:
[01:50] <Naik0> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:50] <Neskato23> i installed the kubuntu-desktop packages, and today after a week of this, when rebooting, i saw it a bit different : P
[01:51] <mbn_18> do i need to restart X after changing default font or rendering method ?
[01:52] <Rookie_> !nvidia
[01:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:56] <enotee> when i  try to save a file in bluefish i get an error .. need help
[01:58] <sedra> what kind of error enotee
[01:59] <sandeep> #ubuntu-in
[01:59] <enotee> its a long one do i post it here?
[02:00] <MaDSeN> hula
[02:01] <MaDSeN> where do I set system default language to da_DK.ISO_8859-1 ? anyone
[02:02] <MaDSeN> using xubuntu
[02:02] <enotee> what is the address of the fridge to post long mes.
[02:02] <fransth> alo
[02:02] <Lynoure> enotee: Do you mean pastebin and not fridge?
[02:02] <lupine_85> !pastebin
[02:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:03] <Lynoure> fridge is one of the ubuntu blogging sites, isn't it?
[02:03] <enotee> yes
[02:03] <fransth> aloha
[02:04] <LinTux> which is the best firewall that I can have a gui with
[02:05] <blackelf> marry xmass rob
[02:05] <un_operateur> firestarter + iptables, LinTux
[02:05] <blackelf> which ubuntu is the stable one nowdays?
[02:05] <un_operateur> blackelf, Edgy (6.10) and below
[02:05] <blackelf> how good is it for amd64?
[02:06] <blackelf> how about flash  open office and wine
[02:06] <LinTux> Is Shorewall better than Ubuntus std firewall and does it have a GUI
[02:06] <enotee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38880/
[02:06] <Lynoure> LinTux: What is your criteria for goodness?
[02:07] <DolbyNR> I'm new to ubuntu since yesterday, new to linux. I tried to install my nvidia drivers (downloaded the driver .run file at the nvidia site). I tried : sudo sh /home/sixten/Desktop/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run but the software says : Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the package 'binutils' installed.  If you do have binutils installed
[02:07] <un_operateur> blackelf, there are some 64bit apps lacking but most 32-bit versions can be run a 32-bit chroot
[02:07] <blackelf> cool
[02:07] <blackelf> can I make ubuntu as serious as debian?
[02:07] <LinTux> I am trying to adminster a firewall myself, last time I used firestarter but cannot find it to install on this machine?
[02:07] <Lynoure> LinTux: And for what use do you want it? Laptop, desktop, multiple desktops, something else?
[02:07] <blackelf> that is get rid of all the silly stuff, create root account and so on?
[02:08] <un_operateur> LinTux, IIRC shorewall uses iptables -- as can ubuntu -- so probably no difference there
[02:08] <LinTux> Lynmore: Desktop
[02:08] <blackelf> because debian amd64 rather failed on my hardware
[02:08] <un_operateur> blackelf, sure -- ubuntu is debian (almost)
[02:08] <Lynoure> blackelf: not worth the hassle, imo, as when you upgrade you are expected to have the desktop meta package installed anyway
[02:08] <blackelf> un_operateur: is there some list of changes debian vs ubuntu?
[02:08] <blackelf> Lynoure: ?
[02:09] <un_operateur> blackelf, there probably is but i've never come across such
[02:09] <Lynoure> blackelf: (assuming by silly stuff you meant some of the desktop stuff)
[02:09] <blackelf> I ment, I  dont like the for-lamers "addons" like no root thingy and sudo ALL but that is easly fixed, are there more such surprises?
[02:09] <blackelf> no I ment the no-root stuff
[02:10] <Lynoure> blackelf: that hardly removes much, just a matter of configuration.
[02:10] <un_operateur> blackelf, if debian failed to install on a 64 bit system chances are ubuntu will too .. as some 64 bit linux drivers are still yet to materialize
[02:10] <blackelf> so by simply fixing sudo I will have almost a debian, but a little more up to date right?
[02:10] <trilingualkid> hello?
[02:10] <sutabi> Im tring to upgrade to ubuntu 6.10 and I keep erroring out at python-gtk is there a way to not upgrade that package?
[02:10] <blackelf> un_operateur: perhaps...
[02:10] <trilingualkid> hi. i need some help (hope i'm not interrupting)
[02:11] <`rich> trilingualkid, not at all, ask away.
[02:11] <trilingualkid> how do i log on as root? this is only my second day with ubuntu?
[02:11] <sutabi> trilingualkid:  you dont log in you sudo
[02:11] <un_operateur> trilingualkid, on ubuntu (or *nux in general), you dont
[02:11] <Lynoure> !sudo | trilingualkid
[02:11] <ubotu> trilingualkid: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:12] <blackelf> trilingualkid: sudo  passwd root  enter your password, then enter twice the new root password
[02:12] <trilingualkid> so the password is sudo?
[02:12] <blackelf> no
[02:12] <trilingualkid> i'm confused.
[02:12] <`rich> no sudo is a program that lets you run a command as root
[02:12] <un_operateur> blackelf, we dont recommend that ..
[02:12] <blackelf> sudo program   will lunch program as if you where root
[02:12] <trilingualkid> ok.
[02:12] <sutabi> trilingualkid: read the link
[02:12] <adam0509> xserver-xorg-input-joystick <= could someone explain me what does this package ? I'm making a complete HOW TO on joysticks
[02:12] <trilingualkid> so i have to type in sudo in the terminal and then type the command?
[02:12] <`rich> yep
[02:12] <`rich> e.g. sudo shutdown
[02:13] <`rich> as you can't shutdown as a normal user :)
[02:13] <trilingualkid> ok. thanx a lot! bye!
[02:13] <`rich> o/
[02:13] <mwe> blackelf: please refer people to wiki explaining sudo instead. it explains the idea of using sudo and tells you how to set a root password as well if you insist
[02:14] <DolbyNR> how can I exit thee X server to install my videodrivers ?
[02:14] <mwe> DolbyNR: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop will shut down the server promptly
[02:14] <DolbyNR> thanks
[02:14] <mwe> DolbyNR: close everything first
[02:14] <`rich> does ctrl+alt+backspace with ubuntu, or will it just restart x?
[02:15] <lupine_85> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[02:15] <mwe> `rich: it will restart it
[02:15] <lupine_85> and sudo /etc/init.d/?dm start to get back in
[02:15] <`rich> bah
[02:15] <lupine_85> (? makes it work with xdm and kdm as well :) )
[02:15] <trilingualkid> hi. i need some help.
[02:15] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: welcome back.
[02:15] <trilingualkid> im trying to install yahoo messenger for linux and i type in the command and then it asks me for a password
[02:15] <`rich> it's your own password
[02:15] <trilingualkid> oh
[02:15] <mwe> lupine_85: I wonder what happens if you have more than one dm installed with that command ;)
[02:15] <trilingualkid> ok i thought it was a special root password
[02:15] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: did you look at the link on sudo at all?
[02:16] <Lynoure> !sudo | trilingualkid
[02:16] <ubotu> trilingualkid: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:16] <trilingualkid> what link?
[02:16] <`rich> i spent 15 minutes thinking i'd forgotten my root password the other day, before i remembered I was using ubuntu :s
[02:16] <trilingualkid> i'll look at it . thanx
[02:16] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: I did that last time you were here, too
[02:16] <trilingualkid> sorri.
[02:16] <trilingualkid> i didn't notice
[02:16] <lupine_85> mwe: nothing interesting
[02:16] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: it happens :)
[02:16] <lupine_85> (I've got all three on this computer)
[02:16] <trilingualkid> ok. thanx. bye
[02:16] <mwe> lupine_85: does it stop the dm?
[02:16] <lupine_85> well, yes
[02:17] <lupine_85> it starts it (the right one, surprisingly) as well
[02:17] <mwe> lupine_85: heh
[02:17] <lupine_85> initscript magickery I guess
[02:17] <mwe> lupine_85: yeah
[02:17] <mwe> lupine_85: kdm wont start if gdm is set as default at least
[02:18] <yakumo> hello i buy a 160 gig hard drive but when i iam going to install ubuntu i notice that the total space available for me is only 149,425 gig... and its a brand new hard disk... anyone know why???
[02:18] <lupine_85> yakumo: MB != MiB
[02:18] <yakumo> right
[02:18] <un_operateur> yakumo, GB != GiB too
[02:19] <lupine_85> hard disc manufacturers like shortchanging you of 24 bytes/KB
[02:19] <lupine_85> it adds up
[02:19] <MaDSeN> anyone know how to make icon background transparent?
[02:19] <yakumo> right
[02:19] <`rich> always expect diskspace to be slightly less than advertised ;)
[02:19] <yakumo>  hello i buy a 160 gig hard drive but when i iam going to install ubuntu i notice that the total space available for me is only 149 GB... and its a brand new hard disk... anyone know why???
[02:20] <mwe> which one is the is powers of 10 is that the GiB one?
[02:20] <`rich> we ... just answered that?
[02:20] <lupine_85> yakumo: do some somes. It's the difference between 10^2 and 2^10
[02:20] <un_operateur> `rich, it's always correct as advertised, except HD vendors use a different scheme to other other computer users
[02:20] <lupine_85> HArd disc manufacturers like the first... everyone else uses the second
[02:20] <lupine_85> erm. sums.
[02:20] <Lynoure> yakumo: you can still go to the store and complain if you wish to vent. It's time they switch to better ways of announcing the disk space. But they will not exchange it, I bet, because it is not kroken.
[02:20] <Lynoure> s/kroken/broken
[02:21] <lupine_85> *technically*, the hard disc manufactuer is correct, so you can't complain
[02:21] <lupine_85> 2^10 is MiB/GiB, not MB/GB
[02:21] <Lynoure> lupine_85: One can always complain :)
[02:21] <lupine_85> but who cares about technicalities? ;)
[02:21] <`rich> trilingualkid, lol, wb
[02:21] <yakumo> ok thnks... to bad for me:(
[02:21] <trilingualkid> does ubuntu not have modern printer drivers?
[02:21] <Francis_Albert> hi
[02:22] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: you can stick around, too. :)
[02:22] <lupine_85> trilingualkid: depends on the printer
[02:22] <mwe> um 2^10 = 1024, 10^2 = 100
[02:22] <rusher> hello
[02:22] <Francis_Albert> hello?
[02:22] <trilingualkid> i was trying to install a lexmark X2480
[02:22] <pradeep_> hi
[02:22] <rusher> anyone use kde?
[02:22] <lupine_85> mwe: oops :p
[02:22] <`rich> hello everyone saying hello
[02:22] <eztk> is there an ubuntu repository for swiftfox?
[02:22] <agorf> hello. how is it possible to work on ubuntu (dapper drake) without any problems and when i do a cat /etc/mtab, no root partition is mounted?
[02:22] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: Some printers do not come with modern drivers by the manufacturer, unfortunately. Which printer you have?
[02:22] <lupine_85> trilingualkid: Lexmark are ones I've always had trouble with
[02:22] <lupine_85> check www.linuxprinting.org
[02:22] <Lynoure> oh, said.
[02:22] <trilingualkid> ok.
[02:22] <rusher> google swiftfox and it is a easy install
[02:22] <trilingualkid> because i installed my epson perfectly!
[02:22] <lupine_85> if you're not supported and still want to use it, check www.turboprint.de
[02:22] <Francis_Albert> rusher, I use
[02:23] <Burntime> German users here?
[02:23] <lupine_85> !de
[02:23] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:23] <trilingualkid> i'll check out the website.
[02:23] <rusher> gnome is getting king of old , thinking of switching
[02:23] <trilingualkid> thank you.
[02:23] <Burntime> lupine_85, thx
[02:23] <eztk> rusher: i already have it on here
[02:23] <eztk> rusher: trying to figure out how i could use apt-get to upgrade to the next version
[02:23] <nilsl> My sources.list can't be read, and I can't understand why.
[02:24] <rusher> oh hmm might have to just use source
[02:24] <nilsl> Whatever I put there, jsut won't work.
[02:24] <rusher> what is the newest version
[02:24] <eztk> rusher: yeah there was some debate around the slow rate of innovation around gnome...
[02:24] <lupine_85> nilsl: it can't read 'whatever' - it has a specfic format. pastebin it.
[02:24] <eztk> eztk: wish i could remember the website name, it was a good read
[02:24] <eztk> err rusher even! lol
[02:24] <lupine_85> rusher: feisty, but you probably don't want to use that. so edgy.
[02:24] <kane77> hi
[02:24] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all . .I'm trying to get squared away on chmod (permissions) .. if I make a directory owned by root:users .. and read/writable by the users group, shouldn't all users in the users group be able to read/write to that directory?
[02:25] <rusher> automatix would be the best way to install swiftfox, but this room discourages automatix
[02:25] <nilsl> lupine_85: I have tried example source-lists.
[02:25] <kane77> is it possible to convert my ext2 partition into ext3??
[02:25] <nilsl> lupine_85: With the correct, of what I can understand, format
[02:25] <rusher> <--downloading kde
[02:25] <trilingualkid> i have a question about ubuntu 7.04 feisty fawn.
[02:25] <un_operateur> NineTeen67Comet, that is correct yes
[02:25] <`rich> nilsl, it's hard to help without seeing the problem :) whack it in a pastebin
[02:25] <NineTeen67Comet> un_operateur: cool .. back to work then .. lol
[02:26] <nilsl> trilingualkid: `rich: Uhm, I'
[02:26] <trilingualkid> what's the big difference between feisty fawn 7.04 and edgy eft 6.10?
[02:26] <nilsl> lol
[02:26] <un_operateur> NineTeen67Comet, I hope you get the terminology right tho
[02:26] <FreeNet> Hi I am looking for a Linux Backup Program with FrontEnd GUI, it can be scheduled to grab files from windows directory. May I know can anyone recommend one?
[02:26] <nilsl> `rich: I've tried the one on Ubuntu Starter (the wiki)
[02:26] <rusher> what is the difference between a debian install and ubuntu? Me thinks it will be the same
[02:26] <un_operateur> NineTeen67Comet, I hope you meant "group" when you said "user's group"
[02:26] <`rich> nilsl, what error does apt give you?
[02:26] <NineTeen67Comet> un_operateur: yeah ..
[02:26] <un_operateur> NineTeen67Comet, you have to give permissions to a group for it's members to have those accesses
[02:26] <trilingualkid> i have a question about ubuntu 7.04 feisty fawn. what's the big difference between feisty fawn 7.04 and edgy eft 6.10?
[02:27] <rusher> you might have to wait until it is done to see the changes
[02:27] <lupine_85> trilingualkid: feisty fawn will pwn your hard drive
[02:27] <nilsl> `rich: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[02:27] <trilingualkid> what does pwn mean?
[02:27] <lupine_85> means it's likely to be mean to you at this stage
[02:27] <`rich> murder
[02:27] <portofu> anyone know if installing 2 linux dist on same system creating RAIDs with same name would cause any problems? 1st linux: /dev/md0 /dev/md1 2nd linux: /dev/md0 /dev/md1 /dev/md2
[02:27] <`rich> sort of.
[02:27] <trilingualkid> no; i mean when it comes out in April.
[02:27] <nilsl> `rich: It say; "can't read [a specific word and line] , and "The list of sources can
[02:27] <nilsl> t be read"
[02:28] <`rich> what's the specific word and line
[02:28] <`rich> ?
[02:28] <lupine_85> oh, when it comes out in april. Updates to most packages
[02:28] <nilsl> `rich: 'restricted' line 9
[02:28] <NineTeen67Comet> un_operateur: aha .. gotta look into giving groups permissions .. hummm .. got all my users in the users group, and all the mentioned directories <user>:users so all can access them (<user> I mean depends on it's location) ..
[02:28] <lupine_85> oh, and desktop effects by default
[02:28] <trilingualkid> i never really understood what packages really are.
[02:28] <nilsl> `rich: But it's different depending on what list I use.
[02:28] <un_operateur> nilsl, make sure you are using purely ASCII characters in sources.list
[02:28] <yuesefa> how could i open a telnet port on 3000
[02:28] <trilingualkid> (well, it's only my 2nd or 3rd day)
[02:29] <`rich> nilsl, yeah, sounds like you have a syntax error in your config files
[02:29] <nilsl> `rich: No, there's no syntax error.
[02:29] <nilsl> un_operateur: Yes, that may be it.
[02:29] <Francis_Albert>  oi
[02:29] <Francis_Albert>   hi?
[02:29] <yakumo> also im trying to reinstall my ubuntu... do i need to copy the file on /var/cache/apt/archives to install the package i use on my previous ubuntu
[02:30] <`rich> Francis_Albert, hi
[02:30] <nilsl> un_operateur: How do I set this up correctly?
[02:30] <trilingualkid> what's a package?
[02:30] <un_operateur> nilsl, can you pastebin your sources.list
[02:30] <un_operateur> ?
[02:30] <nilsl> un_operateur: I'm using: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[02:30] <trilingualkid> Francis_Albert: do you speak portuguese?
[02:31] <trilingualkid> vc fala portugues?
[02:31] <un_operateur> nilsl, yea but, by looking at your sources.list we can garner the cause of the error
[02:31] <rusher> echo url >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:31] <un_operateur> rusher, ohhh no .. that's likely to corrupt it
[02:31] <nilsl> un_operateur: It's the example one.
[02:31] <rusher> what does ubuntu do that is different than debian
[02:31] <nilsl> un_operateur: Right on that site, the exact same.
[02:31] <NineTeen67Comet> un_operateur: little question .. via cli how can I check and see what permissions the users group has? I'm googeling around, but not much success ..
[02:31] <Francis_Albert> trilingualkid, yes, and you ?
[02:31] <trilingualkid> yes. it is my native language
[02:33] <`rich> nilsl, that list works (I use it), but yours doesn't, so there's a difference somewhere.
[02:33] <un_operateur> NineTeen67Comet, if a group own an object -- the permissions it has are determined by ls -l
[02:33] <trilingualkid> DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW WHAT PACKAGES ARE?
[02:33] <nilsl> `rich: Well, the problem may be because I'm running the server version.
[02:33] <NineTeen67Comet> un_operateur: n'kay .. think I got that'n .. thank you much ..
[02:33] <Francis_Albert> trilingualkid, good
[02:33] <kane77> is there anything that would manage the priority of processes??
[02:33] <`rich> trilingualkid, yes, they're bits of software you can install.
[02:33] <nilsl> `rich: But I can't find any examples of the sources.list for the server version.
[02:33] <un_operateur> NineTeen67Comet, if you are looking for complex user and group support, you probably are better of using ACL/getfacl/setfacl, etc
[02:33] <trilingualkid> `rich: what do you mean? are they just like regular applications?
[02:34] <`rich> trilingualkid, yeah, basically. apt-get install <package-name>
[02:34] <kane77> trilingualkid, no. more of an instalation packages
[02:34] <trilingualkid> kane77what do you mean by that?
[02:34] <kane77> trilingualkid, well you install them...
[02:35] <trilingualkid> ok, but what exactly do they do?
[02:35] <eztk> rusher: just used the debian repos...works fine :)
[02:35] <eztk> using aptitude
[02:35] <trilingualkid> kane77: i don't see the difference btween apps and packages
[02:35] <un_operateur> nilsl, as far as i can see, there's nothing wrong with the sources.list on the wiki except that line #9 is a comment, are you sure you have exactly the same sources??
[02:35] <trilingualkid> :-/ im confused
[02:35] <nilsl> un_operateur: Yes.
[02:35] <kane77> trilingualkid, I believe they are pre-compiled pieces of software that when you install them tey copy themeseves into the right directory
[02:36] <un_operateur> nilsl, nothing before, no old repo definitions before?
[02:36] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: some packages are what are called metapackages, containing no software themselves but installing many packages that do.
[02:36] <trilingualkid> oh, ok. thank you
[02:36] <rusher> http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/08/12/ubuntu-vs-debian-what-canonical-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
[02:36] <Francis_Albert> kane77, do you like Umbutu?
[02:36] <nilsl> un_operateur: See, I have nothing installed yet, so I have just created the file on a friends computer, and wget it to /etc/apt/
[02:36] <`rich> losing the original?
[02:37] <nilsl> `rich: Yes, I wiped it out.
[02:37] <kane77> Francis_Albert, sure and you?
[02:37] <`rich> Right, anyone else running the server edition got a sources.list nilsl can use? :D
[02:37] <nilsl> That'd be super
[02:37] <Francis_Albert> kane77, more less
[02:37] <trilingualkid> when did ubuntu start?
[02:38] <un_operateur> nilsl, ok, now, you've done something that usually is never done -- what URL exactly did you wget??
[02:38] <chrissturm> is a software raid 1 faster than no raid at all?
[02:38] <nilsl> un_operateur: The url to the sources.list on friends computer?
[02:38] <nilsl> *my
[02:39] <un_operateur> nilsl, please just pastebin the contents of sources.list, I'd like this short and simple :)
[02:39] <nilsl> un_operateur: I don't think you know what you're talking about.
[02:39] <nilsl> un_operateur: :))
[02:39] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: the first release was on October 20, 2004, it's based on Debian (which is older than that. And Linux itself is even older)
[02:39] <blinx> who has written ubotu ?
[02:40] <nilsl> un_operateur: See, a simple wget of a copy of the file instead of writing the whole sources.list-file by hand is nothing "unusual"
[02:40] <blinx> !about
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <blinx> !ubotu
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[02:40] <un_operateur> nilsl, if you wget a HTML file to sources.list, you get a borked sources.list :)
[02:40] <nilsl> un_operateur: It's not a html-file.
[02:41] <nilsl> un_operateur: It's a _.list_-file
[02:41] <un_operateur> nilsl, just what is a _.list_-file ?
[02:41] <nilsl> wget brings you contens on webservers, of any file extension
[02:41] <nilsl> *contents
[02:42] <kane77> is it possible to convert my ext2 partition into ext3??
[02:42] <un_operateur> nilsl, help yourself , you are smart enough to do it  - i dunno why you ask for it in here
[02:43] <Lynoure> kane77: yes. easily. you can probably google it up yourself.
[02:43] <Francis_Albert>  trilingualkid, yes, and you ?
[02:43] <light_> why can't i add unallocated disk space to my EXT3 ubuntu partition? (using gparted live cd)
[02:43] <Francis_Albert>  trilingualkid, yes, and you ?
[02:43] <Francis_Albert>  8,1 trilingualkid, yes, and you ?
[02:44] <Francis_Albert>  8,1 trilingualkid, yes, and you ?
[02:44] <nilsl> un_operateur: I'm just asking for a sources.list file for a ubuntu server.
[02:44] <Francis_Albert>  oi
[02:44] <Lynoure> kane77: if you cannot find it, let me know :)
[02:44] <Francis_Albert>  8,1 trilingualkid, yes, and you ?
[02:44] <kane77> Lynoure, thx, googling it...
[02:44] <un_operateur> nilsl, you can use the same one a "workstation" uses
[02:45] <Francis_Albert> /server irc.jampa.com
[02:45] <Francis_Albert> \server irc.jampa.com
[02:46] <nilsl> un_operateur: Well, apparently that doesn't seem to work ... There were more stuff in the original file ...
[02:47] <un_operateur> nilsl, running edgy?
[02:47] <nilsl> un_operateur: Yes
[02:47] <un_operateur> nilsl, here you go - http://pastebin.ca/292398
[02:47] <trilingualkid> is there a ctrl-alt-del command in ubuntu?
[02:48] <un_operateur> trilingualkid, yes
[02:48] <tim167> how dow I set the dimensions of a scan in Xsane ?
[02:48] <trilingualkid> bcause im trying 2 start firefox and it says that its open but not responding.
[02:48] <trilingualkid> so it wont go
[02:48] <Viaken> trilingualkid: Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot or Ctrl-Alt-Del to bring up a system monitor?
[02:48] <Viaken> ah
[02:48] <trilingualkid> system monitor
[02:48] <Viaken> open a terminal and "killall firefox-bin"
[02:48] <nilsl> un_operateur: Thank you. :)
[02:48] <trilingualkid> i now that ctrl-alt-backspace logs out or something.
[02:49] <trilingualkid> thank you viaken.
[02:49] <un_operateur> nilsl, :)
[02:49] <nilsl> I doubt it'll work though, lol; but ok, another try ...
[02:49] <Viaken> trilingualkid: "ps aux" will show you information on all the currently running processes... or "top"
[02:49] <trilingualkid> what's ps aux?
[02:50] <Lynoure> trilingualkid:   man ps  will give you more info
[02:50] <trilingualkid> what's ps?
[02:50] <Lynoure> trilingualkid: man  gives a manual page for the command
[02:50] <tim167> for some reason Xsane scans only the middle part of my document, how can i make it scan the full page ?
[02:50] <con-man> trilingualkid: its a list of processes
[02:50] <trilingualkid> how do i open it?
[02:50] <con-man> trilingualkid: man ps
[02:51] <Viaken> trilingualkid: in the terminal
[02:51] <trilingualkid> ok. thank you.
[02:51] <trilingualkid> that explains it.
[02:53] <nilsl> Heh, doesn't work; a new word and line: 'universe' and line 3.
[02:53] <nilsl> This is the weirdest shit I've ever seen.
[02:53] <nilsl> There's no bullshit letters or charsets that could mess it up ... Gah
[02:53] <nilsl> :((
[02:54] <light_> why can't i add unallocated disk space to my EXT3 ubuntu partition? (using gparted live cd)
[02:55] <roico> light_,     ?
[02:55] <un_operateur> nilsl, are you per chance editing the file on windows and then copying it over to linux?
[02:55] <eztk> rusher: the rest of the article is gone from blogger :(
[02:55] <nilsl> un_operateur: No, ubuntu to ubuntu
[02:55] <nilsl> I'm using nano
[02:55] <`rich> nano -w, right?
[02:56] <light_> roico, i can't understand what you wrote
[02:56] <HomerSimpson> Hi there ;-)
[02:56] <un_operateur> nilsl, whats the full and exact error message you get??
[02:56] <light_> roico, it's kind of messed up
[02:56] <eztk> is it safe to boot into live cd and use gparted to resize /home and / to increase space? i still have 90gb unallocated
[02:57] <`rich> irc as root is not cool.
[02:57] <nilsl> un_operateur: Type 'universe' is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <nilsl> un_operateur: The source list can not be read.
[02:57] <eztk> `rich: people used to get auto kick and ban for that, back in the day
[02:57] <un_operateur> nilsl,  if you do a - cat /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l   now, you should get 15, do you?
[02:57] <`rich> nilsl, are you usin nano -w or just nano? if you don't specify -w then nano will wrap the text and possibly start a line with "universe" and the like
[02:58] <viller> hi
[02:58] <un_operateur> nilsl, I have a feeling, nano was wrapping your long lines so that universe was pushed out on a line of its own
[02:58] <needhelp> Im going to do a clean install of Windows XP and ubuntu 6. I have one fast scsi hdd and two ide hdds. Whats the best way to install both? Which OS to be installed first? On which partition should each of the OS's go ?
[02:58] <tortho> how can i downgrade packages to the ones delivered from ubuntu 6.10? I have used some other repos.
[02:58] <HomerSimpson> Hi guys.... Does anyone know why the 'apropos' command always returns 'no results' in Ubuntu server?
[02:58] <viller> i try to start obconf (after installing it) but it says i'm missing a library called libobrender.so.1
[02:59] <nilsl> un_operateur: Hm, interesting
[02:59] <viller> eztk try warsow, sauerbraten and actioncube. I don't think they're on synaptic but those games rock!
[02:59] <eztk> thanks viller!! ive been enjoying freeciv too!
[03:00] <nilsl> un_operateur: Genious.
[03:00] <viller> is there a reinstall operation for apt-get?
[03:00] <nilsl> un_operateur: I'm convinced that is the problem.
[03:00] <jpjacobs> eztk, there is some site... i think it's happypenguin.org (or google for linux gametome)
[03:00] <un_operateur> nilsl, if you get any output here, it's borked -- cat /etc/apt/sources.list | egrep -vi "^(#|deb)"
[03:00] <jpjacobs> nexuiz is also a really good game
[03:00] <eztk> thanks
[03:01] <eztk> nexuiz totally froze me out
[03:01] <viller> I thought nexuiz is still WIP
[03:01] <tortho> viller: --reinstall
[03:01] <eztk> some games have issues interacting with beryl
[03:01] <tortho> viller: man apt-get
[03:01] <nilsl> un_operateur: My putty window was too small.
[03:01] <viller> tortho: I mean like "sudo apt-get install ..."
[03:01] <nilsl> un_operateur: :D
[03:01] <tim167> in Xsane : how do I get it to scan fullpages ?? thanks
[03:01] <vleon> can someone help me please
[03:01] <nilsl> un_operateur: Thank you, it's working.
[03:01] <vleon> ?
[03:01] <un_operateur> nilsl, :)
[03:01] <nilsl> un_operateur: So simple ... :))
[03:01] <vleon> im having troubles with my ubuntu
[03:01] <eztk> thanks for that link jpjacobs
[03:02] <MaDSeN> vleon, who hasn't ? :D
[03:02] <IdleOne> vleon,  need to be a little more precise
[03:02] <tortho> viller: sudo apt-get install --reinstall package_name
[03:02] <jpjacobs> np
[03:02] <eztk> i dont like installing outside of repos
[03:03] <needhelp> Im going to do a clean install of Windows XP and ubuntu 6. I have one fast scsi hdd and two ide hdds. Whats the best way to install both? Which OS to be installed first? On which partition should each of the OS's go ?
[03:03] <eztk> building from source etc
[03:03] <vleon> yeah sorry a phone call
[03:03] <eztk> will probably mess up an upgrade to FF or something
[03:03] <`rich> needhelp, generally, install the "stupider" OS first.
[03:03] <vleon> i waited to see if someone will help
[03:03] <jpjacobs> eztk, use checkinstall, it makes removing selfcompiled software easily
[03:03] <viller> tortho: it gave me this error "invalid operation package_name" :D
[03:03] <jpjacobs> !checkinstall>eztk
[03:03] <vleon> well first of all im a newb in linux
[03:03] <eztk> thanks jpj
[03:04] <`rich> needhelp, and I believe windows has issues if it's not on the first partition of the first HDD, though I may be wrong there
[03:04] <IdleOne> vleon,  get to the nitty gritty dude
[03:04] <vleon> decided to use ubuntu because of idiology
[03:04] <lupine_85> needhelp: windows before ubuntu; partition order isn't too important
[03:04] <vleon> ok
[03:04] <tortho> viller:  an example: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gaim
[03:04] <viller> tortho: oh thanks
[03:04] <vleon> strange things happen in my desktop
[03:04] <vleon> when i restart it sometimes
[03:04] <vleon> by logging off
[03:04] <vleon> or by cnt + alt + <-
[03:05] <`rich> vleon, define strange? :)
[03:05] <vleon> things dissapear
[03:05] <vleon> sometimes my wallpaper
[03:05] <vleon> sometimes gnome menus
[03:05] <needhelp> lupine_85, `rich: thanks. But where to install which OS? Windows on /dev/hda1, GNU on /dev/sda1 or what?
[03:05] <IdleOne> !enter
[03:05] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:05] <vleon> if i try to use full terminal
[03:05] <puffy-san> any peercast users here?
[03:05] <vleon> i mean ctrl + alt + f1-6
[03:06] <vleon> i get a strange screen
[03:06] <vleon> with colors
[03:06] <`rich> needhelp, I'm inclined to go with lupine_85's opinion and say that the order doesn't matter
[03:06] <vleon> well its definetly not a terminal
[03:06] <needhelp> k
[03:06] <`rich> Ubuntu will install grub (the bootloader) on whichever partition is correct anyway
[03:07] <lupine_85> windows is stupid, but not /that/ stupid
[03:07] <IdleOne> !dualboot | needhelp
[03:07] <ubotu> needhelp: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[03:07] <lupine_85> unless it's an early version of windows, of course :p
[03:07] <lupine_85> <= ME
[03:07] <`rich> The latest (released) version is, what, 5 years old now? :P
[03:07] <lupine_85> anything NT-based should be fine
[03:08] <vleon> well about my problem :)
[03:08] <needhelp> should /home be a separate partition or same partition as / ?
[03:09] <HomerSimpson> Hi guys.... Does anyone know why the 'apropos' command always returns 'no results' in Ubuntu server?
[03:09] <pianoboy3333> Anyone here good with mencoder? How could I put four VOB files together, and transcode them to an avi file, and also starting it at 2:00 minutes into the first vob file, and stopping 6:00 min into the second vob file?
[03:09] <`rich> needhelp, up to you. i like to have it separate so that it stays alive when i reinstall OS for whatever reason.
[03:09] <mnoir> needhelp: it is often prudent to make it separate but not absolutely necessary
[03:09] <lupine_85> needhelp: mine is separate; IMO it's the best way.
[03:09] <Hit3k> needhelp, always keep it seperate because if for some reason your system crashes you dont lose your files
[03:09] <needhelp> thanks
[03:10] <Valmarko> vleon, I understand what you mean because sometimes, when I start a new session of gnome, the order of the icons on the panel change completly. It's not everytime but... it happens
[03:10] <IdleOne> vleon, I dont mean to be rude but you were very vague. you need to describe what it is your doing and what happens when you do it ( be as precise as possible and offer up as much info as you can ) and dont use the enter key 400 times :)
[03:12] <reiki> I just got a new sata drive (second one). I have dapper on /dev/sda1 and edgy on /dev/hda1 (an IDE drive). Is it possible to just rsync the entire IDE drive onto the new sata drive and then change grub?
[03:15] <POVaddct> reiki: should be possible, yes. but you have to change to fstab also.
[03:16] <hemanth> how do i install gyache in ubuntu???
[03:16] <POVaddct> reiki: edgy's fstab refers to filesystem UUIDs and they will change when you create new filesystems on the new sata drive.
[03:17] <reiki> hmmmmm.... ok.... good point
[03:17] <r_rehashed> hello everybody
[03:17] <reiki> maybe I should just reinstall edgy on the new sata drive
[03:17] <lupine_85> POVaddct, reiki: they're easy enough to change
[03:18] <reiki> the UUIDs? That's all new to me
[03:18] <lupine_85> in a livecd, or just use the "old" /dev/sdxx if you can't be bothered using UUIDs
[03:18] <hemanth> how do i install gyache in ubuntu??? I tried to install but couldn't
[03:18] <lupine_85> it's a 128bit (or so) hexadecimal number
[03:18] <POVaddct> lupine_85: for ext2/3 i know how to get the uuid (tune2fs -l), but how to get UUID for swap?
[03:18] <bushel> hi @ all, can anybody tell me how to install a intel modemdriver? please meet me in 'intel_537Modem' room
[03:19] <lupine_85> POVaddct: they're referenced in /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[03:19] <pianoboy3333> Anyone here good with mencoder? How could I put four VOB files together, and transcode them to an avi file, and also starting it at 2:00 minutes into the first vob file, and stopping 6:00 min into the second vob file?
[03:19] <lupine_85> so an ls -la will show you where they symlink to
[03:19] <reiki> my swap doesn't get used. I have 2 gigs of memory and I've never seen swap in use. :)
[03:19] <POVaddct> lupine_85: yes, but how is /dev/disk/by-uuid/ built? on base of which data?
[03:19] <lupine_85> probably udev - TBH I have no idea. They're just symlinks
[03:20] <POVaddct> lupine_85: i know that udev creates that symlinks. but i dont know on which basis. for ext2/3 it is clear.
[03:20] <pucko_> POVaddct, uuidgen
[03:21] <POVaddct> pucko_: i dont think it generates them. then they would be different on each boot.
[03:21] <pucko_> yeah, and that would defeat the purpose.
[03:21] <POVaddct> pucko_: there must be some tool to GET the existing uuid of a partition/fs
[03:21] <bushel> is there anybody how could tell me where to put the comands in and how for install of a intel modem driver ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Intel537EP
[03:22] <bushel> room intel537_modem
[03:22] <pucko_> but uuidgen generates them from the clock or something, but in fstab vol_id generates them from some data (be it from the partition perhaps?)
[03:22] <POVaddct> pucko_: and i am almost sure that not each fs type has such a uuid. fat32 for example has not.
[03:22] <pucko_> POVaddct, yes, vol_id
[03:22] <POVaddct> pucko_: vol_id looks like it
[03:22] <lupine_85> oh, so uuids *are* random
[03:23] <POVaddct> lupine_85: random only once. then they get stored somewhere.
[03:23] <lupine_85> that's random enough for me
[03:24] <POVaddct> lupine_85: its just long enough to be unique
[03:24] <lupine_85> I just don't see any value added by using them. They just shift changing /dev/fstab from when you swap drive positions to when you move to a new partition
[03:24] <bushel> whre do i have to put in the make command?
[03:24] <lupine_85> bushel: in any directory with a Makefile
[03:24] <Roconda> how can I kill my sound pid ? (I use gnome)
[03:24] <lupine_85> Roconda: killall esd ?
[03:25] <POVaddct> lupine_85: yeah, i think they actually make things more complicated than with /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*
[03:25] <bushel> do i have to specify it for the folder where the driver is inn?
[03:25] <Roconda> lupine_85: thx I forget that it was esd, I know that it is for kde artsd :p
[03:25] <POVaddct> lupine_85: the only real advantage is using them for removable usb/firewire drives
[03:25] <jethro> hello. I'm new to ubuntu, and I'm a bit confused by packages. ie: what is a "universe" package, and what do I need in sources.list to be able to install such a package? (I'm used to using debian, with main/contrib/non-free etc..)
[03:25] <lupine_85> POVaddct: I could live with /dev/by-id -- but by-uuid
[03:26] <lupine_85> !packages | jethro
[03:26] <ubotu> jethro: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[03:26] <pucko_> lupine_85, but you can change your hd configuration without updating fstab
[03:26] <lupine_85> pucko_: but I can't change to a new partition without updating fstab
[03:26] <bushel> anybody that knows something about modems?
[03:26] <jethro> lupine_85: how is that supposed to help ?
[03:26] <lupine_85> which is most likely to happen?
[03:26] <vleon> ok lets try again, it seems that i have problems with my gnome, for example when i update my apllications menu with menu layout, it is updated only after a restart, also when i use my gnome and the log off and log back in some part of the interface arent loaded like the upper and lower bar, and or the wallpaper. also when i change my session to a full terminal one (by pressing ctrl + alt + F1) i get a screen with lots of colors and no te
[03:26] <vleon> rminal
[03:26] <lupine_85> jethro: good point
[03:26] <lupine_85> !universe |jethro
[03:26] <ubotu> jethro: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections.  I hit that snag too, but there will probably appear some stuff that does that automatically. kind of like update-grub
[03:27] <POVaddct> s/the/they
[03:27] <dint> Hi. How to uninstall a program with Wine?
[03:27] <jethro> lupine_85: so I just have to add universe after main in my sources.list?
[03:27] <bushel> good point but i have no choice i have to use that stupid softmodem
[03:27] <juano> hello everyone
[03:27] <lupine_85> jethro: pretty much. add multiverse as well if you like
[03:28] <bushel> but i am to new to ubu to even install the driver for it
[03:28] <jethro> lupine_85: I will if I need it. I just want to install ddclient on a router
[03:28] <jethro> lupine_85: thanks for the info
[03:29] <POVaddct> bushel: then don't expect it to run flawlessly and don't expect it to run after you changed the kernel version. softmodems require closed source drivers provided from their manufacturers because they are not willing to give programming information to the open source community.
[03:29] <lupine_85> winmodems--
[03:29] <jethro> have a good day everyone, merry xmas and happy new year.
[03:30] <POVaddct> winmodems are broken by design.
[03:30] <hope13> !gcc
[03:30] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:31] <POVaddct> lupine_85: yeah, would be better
[03:31] <pianoboy3333> Anyone here good with mencoder? How could I put four VOB files together, and transcode them to an avi file, and also starting it at 2:00 minutes into the first vob file, and stopping 6:00 min into the second vob file?
[03:31] <POVaddct> lupine_85: uuids only for removable disks
[03:31] <bushel> i know thaT WINMOD: are not the best choice but it would be bad if the linux experience ends allready at the stuopid modem
[03:31] <jatt> (uuids in /etc/fstab suck)
[03:32] <POVaddct> jatt: fortunately we dont have to use it
[03:32] <bushel> i found a driver on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Intel537EP
[03:32] <vleon> you forgot about me
[03:32] <POVaddct> jatt: edgy still accepts /dev/hdX or /dev/sdX in fstab
[03:33] <jatt> POVaddct: at least the dapper->edgy upgrade changed my /etc/fstab to use uuids (I don't remember if the upgrade asked to update the /etc/fstab file)
[03:33] <bushel> but they say after unpack that i have to 'make' and ... differnt comands butr if i just put make into the terminal nothing happens
[03:33] <lupine_85> bushel: you need to be in the source dir, I'd imagine
[03:33] <jatt> POVaddct: nice to know edgy accepts the old device names. I will adjust them now (I thought if I change them the mount would fail)
[03:34] <crouic6> tu sais me le prendre
[03:34] <crouic6> mon fichier
[03:34] <bushel> sso that would be the _source to the file+make?
[03:35] <LoRez> how do you get ubuntu to update the possible resolutions from a new monitor?
[03:35] <POVaddct> jatt: no edgy (or udev to be precise) also has to keep the standard kernel names for devices. things like /dev/disk/by-uuid/ are just optional symlinks.
[03:37] <POVaddct> jatt: udev is nice, however i dont like the idea of having to run a daemon (udevd) for getting important device nodes
[03:37] <un_operateur> the whole uuid thing messed up feisty after i upgraded up to linux 2.6.20 the other day, It looked like the UUID for grub's root partition was a dangling-symlink
[03:38] <doggyguard> slt
[03:39] <ruben> Hi, wich term like 'xterm' or something like this suppot underscore support like foo@dom$ _ <--cursor here, any idea?
[03:40] <un_operateur> ruben, all you have to do is edit your ~/.bashrc file and modify the value for PS1
[03:40] <ruben> for the cursor??
[03:40] <un_operateur> ruben, it has nothing to do with xterm or any other shell, it has to do with how PS1 is defined
[03:40] <ruben> how? tell me :)
[03:41] <ruben> Are you sure?
[03:41] <un_operateur> ruben,  at your terminal, type out -- gedit ~/.bashrc
[03:41] <ruben> yes
[03:41] <linopil> \o
[03:41] <un_operateur> search for the line that defines PS1 and add a space at the end before '
[03:42] <edi> Hello.  Do you know of a live ubuntu CD that boots on the iMac?
[03:42] <un_operateur> ruben, e.g. PS1='\u@\h:\w \$ '
[03:42] <johan_> i downloaded ubuntu desktop to install and i end up with a live cd
[03:42] <Viaken> edi: The Mac boot cd?
[03:42] <edi> Viaken: where can I find it?
[03:42] <linopil> can I burn copy edgy eft install CD in newly installed system immediately after basic install? how? nautilus?
[03:42] <johan_> can you send me a link for regular cd install of ubuntu 6.10
[03:43] <ruben> yes, but I want to add a blink cursor like PS1='\u@\h:\w \$ ' plus $ _ <-- cursor like this
[03:43] <ruben> you known?
[03:43] <linopil> on default install fonts are small for 15 inch how to enlarge all
[03:43] <Viaken> edi: Do you want Dapper or Edgy?
[03:44] <edi> Viaken: the latest development would be fine.
[03:44] <linopil> where are desktop themes for enlarging like in MS win  large fonts extra ;arge fonts
[03:44] <funkyHat> Does anyone else have a problem with evolution not marking ANY messages as junk by itself?
[03:44] <un_operateur> ruben, I'm not sure whether i follow you -- do you want to change how your prompt looks or enable the cursor to blink?
[03:45] <johan_> where can i find an install cd of ubuntu
[03:45] <grimboy> Is it just me or is rhythmbox really crappy at burning CDs?
[03:45] <ruben> enable to cursor to blink and underscore :) _
[03:45] <grimboy> johan_, Do you mean one already burnt?
[03:45] <mborg> i've been running ubuntu for a few weeks now, and everything is fine except for the fact that it takes several attempts to successfully login. has anyone had a similar problem?
[03:45] <funkyHat> linopil, System > Preferences > Font, click Details and change the DPI setting
[03:46] <linopil> tyvm funkyHat
[03:46] <r_rehashed> i tried to re-install grub, but i get an error that says `error in parsing string'. the command was, root (sd0, 6)
[03:46] <johan_> no i'd like to download a version of ubuntu for hd install
[03:46] <un_operateur> ruben, I think you need the manpage for your particular term .. if you use xterm -- man xterm
[03:46] <grimboy> mborg, Try shortening your password.
[03:46] <un_operateur> ruben, or if you use aterm, etc -- man aterm
[03:46] <omghelp> when i make gnome panel autohide.. theres a little still visible when its in hidden mode.. how can i make it fully hidden?
[03:46] <johan_> my plan is to download then burn
[03:46] <ruben> yes, but it is not possible with xterm :(
[03:46] <lovloss> where would i go to find out how to program something in c++ that would compile into something that would pop up in gnome. LIke you know, just a  box that says "hi". im really new...
[03:47] <grimboy> johan_, The official website has images on it.
[03:47] <Viaken> edi: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download
[03:47] <barata> hallo,anybody has problem with dapper, beryl & 915resolution?
[03:47] <Viaken> edi: Just pick the one for "Apple Mac"
[03:47] <omghelp> when i make gnome panel autohide.. theres a little still visible when its in hidden mode.. how can i make it fully hidden?
[03:47] <johan_> yes but i can only find live cds
[03:47] <un_operateur> ruben, I use urxvt or rxvt-unicode  and it does it -- maybe you want to try it out
[03:47] <hastesaver> johan_,  http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[03:47] <barata> do you use beryl and it freezes your app?
[03:47] <froud> which is the best recomended groupware solution to install on ubunty dapper
[03:47] <barata> you cannot move your stuffs like that?
[03:47] <johan_> i mean the ones i've downloaded bootup into a desktop that run on the cd
[03:47] <grimboy> johan_, The livecds have an install capability
[03:47] <johan_> i havent find install cd
[03:47] <grimboy> johan_, You boot off them then install.
[03:47] <hastesaver> johan_, that's the default one that installs
[03:47] <Bonzodog> omghelp: you can't
[03:48] <lovloss> johan_: They are the same thing =) its on the boot's desktop
[03:48] <hastesaver> johan_, there's an Install icon on the desktop after it boots
[03:48] <johan_> sorry i did not know that
[03:48] <Bonzodog> that is as hidden as it goes
[03:48] <mborg> grimboy, that seems relatively odd that I would have to shorten my password. it isn't that i can't get into gnome, its just that it kicks me back to the login page after a few seconds of loading.
[03:48] <omghelp> Bonzodog:  =(
[03:48] <agorf> hello. is there a way to restore ubuntu's fstab as it is after the installation?
[03:48] <edi> Viaken: If I understand right, that is a PowerPC distribution, but my computer is not PPC, it's an Intel iMac.
[03:48] <grimboy> mborg, Oh
[03:48] <un_operateur> barata, AFAIK, ubuntu does not officially support groupware .. so this is a question that applies to all linuxes, you must install the application from source
[03:48] <lovloss> no one knows? is there a chat room for c++ users in gnome? anything?
[03:48] <SubMOA> HAHA! First IRC message.  Sorry.
[03:48] <lovloss> google's not being my friend
[03:48] <johan_> but if i do that install it dont ask me to provide a root passwd
[03:48] <grimboy> mborg, I've not had that problem no.  Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:49] <grimboy> !root | johan_
[03:49] <ubotu> johan_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:49] <un_operateur> lovloss, have you asked in ##c++
[03:49] <un_operateur> ?
[03:49] <johan_> but sudo ask for a passwd
[03:49] <johan_> ?
[03:49] <linopil> how to find out in what repo is certain program ??
[03:49] <funkyHat> johan_, yes, YOUR password :)
[03:49] <adaptr> obviously, yesd
[03:49] <grimboy> johan_, Sudo asks for your users password
[03:49] <un_operateur> johan_, it's asking your password
[03:49] <lovloss> un_operateur: its called ##c++ ?
[03:49] <Bonzodog> johan_: the sudo pass for the livecd is ubuntu
[03:49] <johan_> i see
[03:49] <linopil> exmple what repo to use for xchat
[03:50] <mborg> grimboy, my startup is stock.
[03:50] <lovloss> ok ill ask
[03:50] <hastesaver> lovloss, something like this? zenity  --question --title "Alert"  --text "Microsoft Windows has been found! Would you like to remove it?"
[03:50] <un_operateur> lovloss, you are looking for gtk/gnome dev channels right?
[03:50] <grimboy> mborg, So you haven't installed any applications?
[03:50] <grimboy> mborg, That shove stuff at startup
[03:50] <infinito> has anyone problems with blank cd recognition on edgy? i can't burn cds...
[03:50] <mborg> grimboy, just lampp which i have to start in the terminal anyway...
[03:50] <Bonzodog> lovloss: gnome uses C not C++
[03:50] <johan_> i works!
[03:51] <johan_> it works rather
[03:51] <funkyHat> johan_, of course it does ;-)
[03:51] <grimboy> mborg, In that case I have no idea. Sorry
[03:51] <mborg> no worries
[03:51] <funkyHat> We'd all be a bit stuck if it didn't
[03:51] <vleon> ok lets try again, it seems that i have problems with my gnome, for example when i update my apllications menu with menu layout, it is updated only after a restart, also when i use my gnome and the log off and log back in some part of the interface arent loaded like the upper and lower bar, and or the wallpaper. also when i change my session to a full terminal one (by pressing ctrl + alt + F1) i get a screen with lots of colors and no te
[03:51] <vleon>  rminal
[03:51] <un_operateur> Bonzodog, there are gtk/gnome bindings for every imaginable programming language out there
[03:51] <un_operateur> Bonzodog, I think the C++ one is gtkmm or something like that
[03:52] <Bonzodog> un_operateur: yes, but in the greater majority of cases, C is the main language
[03:52] <funkyHat> Does anyone else have a problem with evolution not marking ANY messages as junk by itself?
[03:52] <fulldisclosure> Hi.
[03:52] <fulldisclosure> Is here someone with bluetooth? please.
[03:52] <reiki> if I have a drive that already has WinXP on it, can I just stick it in this system and tell grub where it is? Or..... I've been reading stuff that seems to indicate that winxp wants to be on the first physical drive (and I don't use it enough to give it that)
[03:52] <johan_> i am very impressed by ubuntu
[03:52] <adaptr> fulldisclosure: mine are white-ish, sorry
[03:52] <fulldisclosure> I have gnome 2.14 in debian etch installed in a Macbook, I installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome, I can find my debian system with the phone, but I cant transfer files.
[03:52] <fulldisclosure>  It fails, what can be the posible reasons?
[03:53] <un_operateur> Bonzodog, the gtk libraries libgtk* were written in C .. but a majority of desktop applications use pygtk
[03:53] <SubMOA> opps... turns out, "Ctrl + X" isn't "cut"
[03:53] <Bonzodog> yeah, I personally think that python is the way tyo go with Gtk apps
[03:53] <edi> fulldisclosure: what CD did you use to boot on the macbook? I'm trying to boot ubuntu on an iMac unsuccessfully
[03:53] <un_operateur> Bonzodog, thats only if you can think like python programmers (who think quite obscurely) :)
[03:54] <SubMOA> well I don't want to interrupt anybodies conversation, but can I ask a question?
[03:54] <fulldisclosure> edi, I have debian etch and ubuntu edgy installed without any problem, IRDA, bluetooth works OK
[03:54] <Viaken> edi: Ohhhhh Intel...ok...well, have you tried a PC CD?
[03:54] <un_operateur> !anybody | SubMOA
[03:54] <ubotu> SubMOA: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:54] <fulldisclosure> But with kde not in gnome, where I need something I dont know.
[03:54] <fulldisclosure> :-)
[03:54] <SubMOA> roger
[03:54] <funkyHat> edi, which iMac are you trying to boot ubuntu on?
[03:54] <edi> Viaken: yes, but it doesn't boot, or maybe it's just me, do you know of any special procedure?
[03:54] <fulldisclosure> edi, Macbook hardware is 100% supported in linux.
[03:55] <edi> funkyHat: iMac 20, Core Duo (not 2).
[03:55] <Viaken> edi: No idea. Haven't touched a Mac in years. :P
[03:55] <linopil> in keyboard options what is third group?
[03:55] <IdleOne> edi,  insert the cd restart the machine and hold down the C while it's booting
[03:55] <light_> why can't i add unallocated disk space to my EXT3 ubuntu partition (its a primary partition)? (using gparted live cd)
[03:55] <fulldisclosure> Yes, do that.
[03:55] <fulldisclosure> :-)
[03:55] <IdleOne> the ubuntu live cd will start up :)
[03:55] <Viaken> light_: If I remember right, you basically have to convert to ext2, resize it, then convert it back.
[03:55] <edi> Alright.  It never got past some stage here, but I'll try again.
[03:56] <funkyHat> light_, you can only change the end point of an ext3 partition I believe (and not the start point)
[03:56] <dint> light: I use Ubuntu live CD. GParted don't work. I don't know why. I was created new /home partition in my existing EXT3.
[03:56] <un_operateur> SubMOA, were you going to ask a question? :)
[03:56] <fulldisclosure> I have gnome 2.14 in debian etch installed in a Macbook, I installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome, I can find my debian system with the phone, but I cant transfer files.
[03:56] <fulldisclosure>  It fails, what can be the posible reasons?
[03:56] <light_> Viaken, oh.. does this process have any side effects on my system?
[03:56] <SubMOA> I am a recent covert to Linux from Windows (what else?) and I think I have an understanding of the Windows concept regarding programs (aka .exe files) but this Linux program thing is killing me... there are so many that do the same thing, is a .deb the same as a compiled .src (is .src right??) in .deb, what about non-debian, etc. etc. what's the dealio?
[03:57] <Viaken> light_: funkyHat sounds like he knows more than I do. :P lol
[03:57] <nickspoon> SubMOA: to install applications in Linux, go to Add/Remove... in your Applications menu.
[03:57] <edi> Can I convert a mac-formatted 15Gb partition to ext3 from the live CD then?
[03:57] <un_operateur> SubMOA, a .deb file is more like a .zip file .. but it has a executable file (like .exe in windows-speak) within that is run after the .deb is unpacked
[03:57] <FunnyLookinHat> SubMOA, well, a .deb is a debian package file....  so it's basically like an installation file
[03:57] <Bonzodog> SubMOA: linux uses .bin for a binary prog
[03:57] <funkyHat> Viaken, I often give that impression, but I'm not sure it's correct a lot of the time ;)
[03:57] <yuesefa> hi, how could i open a new port for telnet?
[03:58] <hastesaver> SubMOA, everything is originally from source (there are no .src files, though -- source files are in C or C++ or Java or Python or whatever). The .deb files are *precompiled* binaries for Debian/Ubuntu, etc.
[03:58] <adaptr> yuesefa: how do you mean ?
[03:58] <lupine_85> yuesefa: use ssh if you can
[03:58] <Bonzodog> .deb is a complete package file, containing libraries and everything needed for the prog
[03:58] <lupine_85> telnet is incredibly insecure
[03:58] <nickspoon> Bonzodog: Linux doesn't have an extension for a binary. if it's set to executable, it can run it.
[03:58] <lupine_85> Bonzodog: sort of :)
[03:58] <flossy> where do i tell ubuntu to install grub, if i want to keep XP:s bootloader?
[03:58] <SubMOA> True, true I have figured that out (after a LONG time) but I find that if I want something NOT in that list, say... Umm, well, I don't know, maybe something like gkrellm, and I can't, or the repository doesn't find it, what then?
[03:58] <un_operateur> Bonzodog, a binary executable does not necessarily have to have a .bin extention .. infact you dont even need an extention in unix files
[03:58] <hastesaver> SubMOA, and linux normally doesn't care about extensions. It infers the type from the file, where possible
[03:58] <un_operateur> s/files/filenames/
[03:58] <hastesaver> SubMOA, add more repositories. That usually works
[03:58] <nickspoon> SubMOA: have you added the multiverse and universe repositories?
[03:59] <lupine_85> Bonzodog: what you've described is a MacOS .dmg -- packages can have dependencies to libraries, but they don't usually have the libraries inside them
[03:59] <Gigs2> My coworker took my monitor and replaced it with a wide screen one.  I got X to work at the native 1600x1050 but the fonts look like total shit, and the screen is too large vertically.
[03:59] <SubMOA> yes, Nickspoon
[03:59] <Bonzodog> lupine_85: yeah, just realiosed that
[03:59] <nickspoon> SubMOA: gkrellm is in the repository.
[03:59] <SubMOA> ohh
[03:59] <funkyHat> SubMOA, the simplest way of thinking about it is that the difference between .deb/.bin/.rpm/.tgz etc. is much the same as the difference between .exe/.msi/.zip
[03:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Gigs2, try     sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:59] <barata> so ... nobody uses beryl?
[04:00] <nickspoon> SubMOA: try System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager
[04:00] <Gigs2> FunnyLookinHat: I did that, that's how I got it to 1600x1050
[04:00] <nickspoon> barata: me.
[04:00] <un_operateur> funkyHat, depends whether the .exe is a self-extracting/executable archive or not :)
[04:00] <FunnyLookinHat> barata, I do, but the best place to ask xgl/compiz/beryl questions is #ubuntu-xgl
[04:00] <linopil> funny
[04:00] <hastesaver> barata,  #ubuntu-xgl might be more helpful, maybe
[04:00] <funkyHat> SubMOA, , essentially they fulfull the same purpose, just in different ways, some better than others
[04:00] <SubMOA> well, that was just an example *blushes* I thought it wasn't... I found a .deb for it, and I can kind-of get along with getting programs, I just odn't understand the way it works, I suppose
[04:00] <funkyHat> un_operateur, I don't care ;)
[04:00] <yuesefa> i have a server running on port 2999 and i can not telnet. Error message => telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[04:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Gigs2, ooh,   then you need to do   sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontsmanager  ( i think that's it, hold on)
[04:00] <hastesaver> SubMOA, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[04:00] <edi> funkyHat, IdleOne - do you know if I can (and how to) re-format a mac-formatted 15Gb partition of the main hard drive to EXT3 on the livecd ?
[04:01] <linopil> havant noticed ubuntu versions' numbers bear the year and month of release
[04:01] <Gigs2> I dont' have a package named that, FunnyLookinHat
[04:01] <nickspoon> SubMOA: unlike on Windows, applications are managed by a central package manager and are downloaded from trusted repositories.
[04:01] <un_operateur> funkyHat, well, if you are going to analogise something for someone, you shouldnt get them have the impression that every .exe is an archive :) because they arent
[04:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Gigs2, sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[04:01] <adaptr> yuesefa: too many factors to list; firewall, where does it run, do you have access at all, are you using telnet properly
[04:01] <hastesaver> SubMOA, I'm usually happy with the things in the repos... In nearly three years of using Ubuntu, I've only had to compile a program from source *once*
[04:01] <nickspoon> you use the package manager (say, Synaptic) to search the repositories and install packages.
[04:01] <linopil> #ubuntu-xgl is very helpful
[04:01] <yuesefa> adaptr: http is ok
[04:01] <Bonzodog> yuesefa: do you have ssh enabled on the server? what does it run?
[04:01] <funkyHat> un_operateur, good point :)
[04:01] <SubMOA> Funkyhat, is it the case though, in windows, where only a .exe file can be run, where-as a a .zip is a .exe, but compressed (well, any file compressed, but for sake of argument...) etc. etc.  so the main executable is, well, .exe, right?
[04:01] <nickspoon> SubMOA: what is it that you want to install that isn't in the repository?
[04:02] <linopil> look for lupine and price at #ubuntu-xgl
[04:02] <SubMOA> maybe I just don't understand the actual basics of programs... any points to wiki, etc.?
[04:02] <nickspoon> !apps
[04:02] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[04:02] <adaptr> yuesefa: still no idea what you mean - how about you try to explain what exactly the problem is ? are you trying to set up a HTTP server, or a telnet server, or telnetting TO an HTTP server, or *what*
[04:02] <yuesefa> bonzodog: just a little test . a simple web server
[04:02] <SubMOA> hastesaver, really?! that is encouraging
[04:02] <nickspoon> !repos
[04:02] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[04:02] <drivera90> Anyone know what makes Firefox default to .ar Google?
[04:02] <lupine_85> SubMOA: .exe does not an executable make
[04:02] <ken> Can ubuntu's archive manager support the 7-zip format? If yes, how do i enable it without using 3rd party/proprietary software?
[04:02] <hastesaver> SubMOA, read the link I gave above: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[04:02] <Bonzodog> so the web server is running Ubuntu?
[04:02] <lupine_85> magic bytes at the beginnning of the file, doth make an executable
[04:03] <yuesefa> adaptr: telnetting to a socket server
[04:03] <lupine_85> in windows (PE executables) those magic bytes are MZ
[04:03] <hastesaver> SubMOA, oops, I meant https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement first
[04:03] <adaptr> yuesefa: a *what* socket server
[04:03] <yuesefa> Bonzodog: yup
[04:03] <Bonzodog> Linux servers don't accept telnet
[04:03] <SubMOA> nickspoon, thus far, nothing (that I can think of), but I like to understand things, and I have this sort of anxiety that, if for some reaon, I had to get something that wasn't there, i wouldn't know how
[04:03] <Bonzodog> they use sshd
[04:03] <adaptr> Bonzodog: stop talking out of your rear end please
[04:03] <lupine_85> in Linux (ELF, a.out, pretty much anything), EL4 or #! are magic bytes
[04:03] <Bonzodog> you need to ssh in
[04:03] <yuesefa> adaptr: ruby's Gserver
[04:03] <un_operateur> lupine_85, would you classify a shell-script or batch file as executable? :)
[04:03] <Roconda> hey I killed esd and artsd but I got still "open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy"
[04:03] <SubMOA> Lupine_85, can you elaborate?
[04:03] <lupine_85> Bonzodog: what services they are running is the important thing
[04:03] <nickspoon> SubMOA: well, if it isn't there, you need to find the website of what you want to installl.
[04:03] <Gigs2> is there any way to just exit X?   I don't understand why I have to reboot this constantly like windows.  My system is already set to runlevel 2 as default.
[04:03] <yuesefa> Bonzodog: i will try that
[04:04] <francisco> yuesefa, you'll need to install sshd or dropbear
[04:04] <adaptr> yuesefa: okay, now we're getting somewhere - and what network protocol does that use ?
[04:04] <lupine_85> un_operateur: well, yes. They have the magic bytes: #!
[04:04] <nickspoon> SubMOA: download a .deb.
[04:04] <nickspoon> Gigs2: ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:04] <Gigs2> that'll just bring up that african xdm thing though
[04:04] <lupine_85> the permissions are secondary to whether the file can be executred
[04:04] <Bonzodog> Linux servers mostly don't accept telnet connections, due to it being inherently insecure
[04:04] <Roconda> hey I killed esd and artsd but I got still "open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy"
[04:04] <un_operateur> lupine_85, a shell script has a she-bang .. but a batch-file hath not :)
[04:04] <yuesefa> adaptr: telnet localhost 2999 is fine. but telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 2999 is not
[04:04] <nickspoon> Gigs2: it restarts X.
[04:04] <Gigs2> nickspoon: ok
[04:04] <Bonzodog> but you can set it up so it does
[04:04] <JosefK> for the person asking how programs work, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1059
[04:04] <SubMOA> nickspoon, what if there isn't one?
[04:04] <adaptr> yuesefa: does the server actually listen on that IP ?
[04:05] <ken> lupine_85: un_operateur: Can ubuntu's archive manager support the 7-zip format? If yes, how do i enable it without using 3rd party/proprietary software?
[04:05] <nickspoon> SubMOA: next you look for an rpm then.
[04:05] <adaptr> un_operateur: nonsense
[04:05] <lupine_85> un_operateur: true.  Get it from the Ubuntu repos 2. Find an unoffical repo that has it. 3. Download a .deb, if there is one. 4. Download the source code (.tar.gz), and compile it yourself and install (preferably with checkinstall). Read those pages; these may not make sense yet :-)
[04:05] <yuesefa> adaptr: yup. that is my ip
[04:05] <nickspoon> SubMOA: if there's an rpm, convert it with alien.
[04:05] <lupine_85> !7zip
[04:05] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (GNOME) or Ark (KDE) - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[04:05] <lupine_85> meh
[04:05] <SubMOA> nickspoon, what happens when I try to compile something, but, say gdk 2.0 (I think that one actually happened to me... gdk 2.0 wasn't in the repo) is needed and I can't get it, not sure what to do then
[04:05] <nickspoon> !rpm
[04:05] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[04:05] <un_operateur> ken, 7 zip isnt quite widely used -- it more for your personal use ATM
[04:05] <un_operateur> adaptr, ?
[04:05] <lovloss> Is there a specific "widget" program for making gnome programs that works well with ubuntu? Is one maybe ina package?
[04:05] <x-r00t-x> hello can anyone tell me where do i have to put the c++ library files?
[04:05] <lupine_85> ken: you need to install the 7zip unarchiver software in the repos; file-roller etc. will then support it automagically
[04:06] <SubMOA> hastesaver, will do, thank you
[04:06] <Roconda> hey I killed esd and artsd but I got still "open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy"
[04:06] <SubMOA> nickspoon, what's an rpm
[04:06] <nickspoon> SubMOA: redhat package.
[04:06] <SubMOA> something about a packet manager, i would assume
[04:06] <SubMOA> ohh
[04:06] <ken> un_operateur: lupine_85: thank you, you guys are always a great help! Happy UBUNT-ing
[04:06] <ken> :-)
[04:06] <adaptr> un_operateur: a batch shell file needs a shebang line as well if you intend to execute it
[04:06] <lovloss> ^_^
[04:06] <un_operateur> adaptr, no it doesnt
[04:06] <nickspoon> SubMOA: if there's not an RPM or DEB, look for a binary. if there's no binary, download the source and follow the instructions.
[04:07] <un_operateur> adaptr, a batch-file just need a .bat/.cmd extention in the filename to become a batch file
[04:07] <SubMOA> nickspoon, i just read the ubotu that ubuntu doesn't really support rpm's
[04:07] <adaptr> yuesefa: that's not what I asked - what is the output of netstat ?
[04:07] <hastesaver> SubMOA, And when you get the source, here's how to compile it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[04:07] <SubMOA> rgr nickspoon
[04:07] <adaptr> un_operateur: we are talking about Unix shells here, yes ?
[04:07] <un_operateur> adaptr, there are no equivalents to she-bangs in the windows world
[04:07] <SubMOA> wow, you guys rock!
[04:07] <hastesaver> SubMOA, but you shouldn't need to do that, normally
[04:07] <un_operateur> adaptr, no, just in general :)
[04:08] <lupine_85> adaptr: DOS .bat files :)
[04:08] <adaptr> un_operateur: no you weren't - you cannot name shebang and batch file in the same sentence without qualifying them when you mean two completely different OSes
[04:08] <SubMOA> hastesaver, ok, well, I guess I just need to fart around a little with it
[04:08] <funkyHat> SubMOA, if you're looking for a program make sure the first place you look for it after synaptic is on the ubuntu wiki, someone else might have made a nice set of instructions for how to install it easily
[04:08] <nickspoon> SubMOA: well, not really, but I've converted many RPMs to DEB with alien and nothing's gone wrong.
[04:08] <lupine_85> adaptr, un_operateur: in that case, the command interpreter has been evilly hacked to support them. what else is new with MS? ;)
[04:08] <SubMOA> funkyhat, thank you, i will do that
[04:09] <un_operateur> adaptr, we were talking executables in general .. not tied to a specific OS or shell .. :)
[04:09] <Fujoor> hey guys, need some advice, is there any difference in speed with xubuntu/ubuntu edgy or dapper drake?
[04:09] <SubMOA> nickspoon, rgr, but i heard that alien is "dangerous"
[04:09] <Gigs2> FunnyLookinHat: I tried reconfiguting fontconfig like you said, fonts still look like total crap.  I installed the 100 dpi fonts package too, no help.
[04:09] <ken> lupine_85: un_operateur: What is the archive method that compresses the MOST and is the most reliable and you use for your personal use?
[04:09] <nickspoon> SubMOA: by the way, when you're compiling, if it asks for, say 'libgtk2.0', you want the package 'libgtk2.0-dev'.
[04:09] <fransth> anyone can help my i915 bugs?
[04:09] <SubMOA> btw, it's been years since I've been in a "chat-room" (it was AOL) and I must say, I've lost my touch for keeping up with all the chatter!!!
[04:09] <adaptr> un_operateur: oh forget it - it's xmas and I tend to get confused easily :)
[04:09] <JosefK> ken, that depends on what you're trying to compress
[04:09] <hastesaver> SubMOA, I've never had to get anything from an rpm... so the cases you're worrying about are actually extreme cases
[04:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Gigs2, that's very strange...       try searching ubuntuforums.org for high res fonts?
[04:09] <un_operateur> ken, 7zip was rated at the top sometime ago, i dunno if it still stands
[04:09] <SubMOA> nickspoon, can you elaborate?
[04:10] <johan_> i used gparted to format my hd and did two ext3 partition one 50gig one 500 mg
[04:10] <linopil> in keyboard preferences what is the differences and origin of meta super hyper?
[04:10] <linopil> which one is closer to winlogo key functions?
[04:10] <funkyHat> SubMOA, it's 'dangerous' relatively speaking, it's more dangerous than using a .deb, but possibly still better than using a .bin or something else
[04:10] <lupine_85> ken: I use bz2
[04:10] <nickspoon> SubMOA: on compiling?
[04:10] <ken> JosefK: But i dont want to use specific compression algortihms for different file types, just a general one
[04:10] <SubMOA> hastesaver, ok
[04:10] <johan_> but i cant used them to install
[04:10] <SubMOA> hastesaver, i will keep that in mind
[04:10] <hastesaver> SubMOA, if you're using a decent chat client like xchat, stuff sent to you will be highlighted in red; easier to follow :-)
[04:10] <lupine_85> funkyHat: in general, .bin is a better bet than rpm IME
[04:10] <un_operateur> adaptr, I was half-joking with lupine_85 anyway .. just to pull his leg .. same christmas spirit thingy :)
[04:10] <JosefK> ken, in that case I tend to use bz2
[04:10] <johan_> what format should i use for swap and root
[04:10] <mborg> has anyone had login issues that they have narrowed down to a change of the transparency and size of the panel?
[04:10] <SubMOA> hastesaver, I think it's more the self sufficiency I'm worried about, however, at this stage, that should be the least of my problems.
[04:10] <Gigs2> maybe this cable is crappy
[04:11] <lupine_85> since the .bin will (usually) be made to support more than one OS, whereas .rpm assume they're going to be isntalled on $rpm_distro
[04:11] <Gigs2> if I take a screen shot the fonts look ok
[04:11] <SubMOA> hastesaver, rgr, xchat
[04:11] <ken> lupine_85: i found 'p7zip' and 'p7zip-full' from Synaptic (for 7-zip), but i think installing those will install a separate software, i just want a plugin sort of thing for the file archiver. What should i do?
[04:11] <SubMOA> still lots of info
[04:11] <lupine_85> ken: they *are* the plugin-sort-of-thing
[04:11] <SubMOA> nickspoon, not sure
[04:11] <SubMOA> i just heard it was "dangerous" by the ubotu
[04:11] <funkyHat> lupine_85, ahh ok, I tend to shy away from using .bin because of the obvious implications of running untrusted code as root ;) (I know it's easy enough to put malicious code in an rpm or a deb too but still)
[04:11] <lupine_85> file-roller won't work with tar if you install tar, etc
[04:11] <un_operateur> lupine_85, specifics within the .bin could make it distro-exclusive too .. :)
[04:12] <lupine_85> erm, uninstall
[04:12] <lupine_85> un_operateur: true, I was talking about generalities
[04:12] <IdleOne> SubMOA, rpm may break your system as they arent made for ubuntu. ubuntu uses .deb
[04:12] <nickspoon> SubMOA: it can be, sometimes. they rarely are though.
[04:12] <un_operateur> lupine_85, and some .rpm's arent exclusive to $rpm_distros too :)
[04:12] <xnet> hello
[04:12] <lupine_85> e.g. I'd rather use the nvidia .run file than a conversion of a .rpm package
[04:12] <adaptr> lupine_85: this is ubuntu - use the package
[04:12] <SubMOA> idleone, is there a link you can supply as to the differences... or anyone for that matter, why does one break a system and the other not?
[04:12] <lupine_85> but for something like lazarus... yeah, the rpms aliened work fine
[04:13] <lupine_85> adaptr: look up "example" in a dictionary
[04:13] <xnet> how can i setup java SE 6.0, the file type is bin??
[04:13] <SubMOA> brb
[04:13] <lupine_85> xnet: that should be in the repos too :)
[04:13] <funkyHat> lupine_85, Isn't there a nvidia-glx deb?
[04:13] <SubMOA> (can I still use that?!)
[04:13] <un_operateur> xnet, run the .bin file .. chmod a+x ./file.bin; sudo ./bin
[04:13] <adaptr> lupine_85: if you don't want criticism, don't spout unqualified opinions
[04:13] <lupine_85>  "example"
[04:13] <MrMaDSeN> lupine_85, noooo dont
[04:13] <MrMaDSeN> hehe
[04:13] <auli> i can't find autopoint on ubuntu-5.10, i know it's part of gettext, and i have the latest (available in synaptic) version = 0.14.5-2ubuntu2
[04:13] <un_operateur> xnet, err, sorry .. chmod a+x ./file.bin; sudo ./file.bin
[04:14] <MrMaDSeN> where do I set system default language?
[04:14] <lupine_85> I'd rather use the .deb file than the .run file, but that wasn't the point I was making
[04:14] <ken> lupine_85: un_operateur: I wish to buy a PC for general purpose work, and i wish to buy those processor/MBD/etc, things that best work with linux (are favouring it). So can you tell me, companies (intel/amd/etc) to stay away from, and ones to prefer? It will only use ubuntu, so i want something that is inherently compatible.
[04:14] <slain_> hi all
[04:14] <slain_> I love linux :-)
[04:14] <ken> lupine_85: un_operateur: It will be all assembledd
[04:14] <SubMOA> me, too slain
[04:14] <hastesaver> SubMOA, basically, the author of a program writes source code, and if you get a .deb (especially from the repos), you can be very sure somehow has carefully compiled it with the right options to make it work on your system.  With binaries, and RPMs, there's no way to be sure.
[04:14] <dedalus> hi is there anyone using dynamics clock on ati card cause my autonomy is really bad
[04:14] <funkyHat> SubMOA, rpm is more likely to mess things up in an ubuntu system because the rpm wasn't written to work on that system in the first place, whereas the deb file probably was
[04:14] <auli> shoudl i compile gettext in a separate directory and use autopoint from that?
[04:14] <IdleOne> SubMOA,  it's like using diesel in a unleaded fuel only car. it will run but it prolly will F everything up :)
[04:14] <JosefK> hastesaver, unless it's a Debian .deb, or depends on a different libc
[04:14] <SubMOA> hastesaver, hmmm... ok
[04:15] <lupine_85> ken: Intel for the graphics, since they're open source.
[04:15] <un_operateur> ken, since it's going to be assembled, it'd be best that you compare your itenary against a linux hardware compatibility database :)
[04:15] <SubMOA> idleone, nicely put, good sir
[04:15] <SubMOA> or ma'am
[04:15] <funkyHat> IdleOne, there's no way diesel will run in an unleaded fuel car ;)
[04:15] <SubMOA> so is that a kde vs. gnome thing?
[04:15] <ken> lupine_85: You mean using the on-board intel graphic acceleretars?
[04:15] <lupine_85> unless you want incredible graphics performance, of course :p
[04:15] <IdleOne> funkyHat,  it got the point accross
[04:15] <nickspoon> IdleOne: I know we love our car analogies, but that's not quite right really.
[04:16] <ken> un_operateur: i was hoping for something from the top of your mind / tip of your tongue :-)
[04:16] <un_operateur> ken, in most cases, it's the peripherals that need special attention -- most other standard hardware is already supported
[04:16] <IdleOne> nickspoon, yeah I know but he now knows not to try it until he is sure he can fix it :)
[04:16] <auli> has anyone heard of gettext without autopoint on ubuntu?
[04:16] <reiki> ok... doing lots of reading. It appears that adding WinXP to a machine that already has Ubuntu (or any other linux on it) is not easy. Adding Ubuntu to an existing WINDOWS machine is easy, but not the other way around. Maybe I'll just use my swappable drive carriers. I don't often boot to XP anyways....
[04:16] <hastesaver> SubMOA, no, KDE and GNOME are fine. You can run KDE apps in GNOME perfectly fine and vice-versa. (Except that KDE apps usually won't look like GNOME apps, if you care about visual consistency)
[04:16] <slain_> hi all, quick question
[04:16] <funkyHat> True, a better analogy would be using unleaded in a 2-stroke engine, but I'm just being pedantic ;)
[04:16] <nickspoon> it's more like putting diesel into a diesel fuelled car through a garden hose.
[04:16] <slain_> I have linux box setup and working on the local lan
[04:16] <lupine_85> reiki: you can add windows; it just overwrites the bootloader, so you have to boot back into ubuntu and run grub-install to fix
[04:16] <slain_> got samba installed
[04:16] <SubMOA> hastesaver, i just want it to work, I don't care for looks... yet, wait till i'm uber, then maybe... :O)
[04:16] <lupine_85> so have a live CD and instructions on how to chroot ready :)
[04:16] <slain_> I share a folder to my friends that runs windows
[04:16] <un_operateur> ken, I'm not the person to ask about those things .. i'm not a hardware guru and I run older hardware because i dont see the need to upgrade to the latest-and-greatest :)
[04:16] <JosefK> reiki, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - it isn't so hard
[04:16] <ken> un_operateur: By peripherals you mean sound card/speakers/mouse/keyboards/monitors/etc. What should i prefer for peripherals?
[04:17] <slain_> they can see the share
[04:17] <SubMOA> funkyhat, nice word choice... pedantic... first time in a reael convo I've heard that!
[04:17] <vleon>  ok lets try again, it seems that i have problems with my gnome, for example when i update my apllications menu with menu layout, it is updated only after a restart, also when i use my gnome and the log off and log back in some part of the interface arent loaded like the upper and lower bar, and or the wallpaper. also when i change my session to a full terminal one (by pressing ctrl + alt + F1) i get a screen with lots of colors and no te
[04:17] <vleon>   rminal
[04:17] <reiki> lupine_85, I have a drive that already has a WinXP installation on it. I just wanted to slap  it into the machine :)
[04:17] <slain_> but when they try and access it, it asks them for a password
[04:17] <auli> slain_ you are sharing through samba?
[04:17] <SubMOA> nickspoon, can you elaborate on that garden hose analogy
[04:17] <funkyHat> reiki, it's easy enough, there's a page on the wiki telling you how to get grub working again after doing it...
[04:17] <slain_> yes
[04:17] <lupine_85> reiki: like I said, you can. Just make sure you have a live cd handy to reinstall GRUB
[04:17] <funkyHat> !grub | reiki
[04:17] <ubotu> reiki: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:17] <auli> slain_ i have had this problem, the way i fixed was that i created an account and shared the password
[04:18] <un_operateur> ken, mice and keybs.. are no problem .. soundcards, graphiccards, joysticks, etc are a pain
[04:18] <IdleOne> SubMOA,  it's really simple dont use rpm's on ubuntu
[04:18] <nickspoon> SubMOA: RPM-based and APT-based distros run on the same core (the engine).
[04:18] <slain_> thanks
[04:18] <slain_> will try
[04:18] <auli> slain_ i had a config fiel (smb.conf) that did the trick, the minimal config file doesn't work (i.e. typing the share, writeable guest = ok and public)
[04:18] <nickspoon> the fuel (the programs) can be run on both without any intermediate stages.
[04:18] <reiki> funkyHat, I've been reading. See... I have a system with both IDE and SATA .... just got a new SATA drive (second one) Dapper is on first SATA, was going to move Edgy to second SATA (new one) and then stick the IDE with XP on it in the swappable slot
[04:18] <sonno> I've got an issue with ubuntu 6.06
[04:19] <SubMOA> Idleone, true enough, but I think what I'm angleing (sp?) is more of a "why" then a "how" type questions
[04:19] <sonno> Anyone care to PM me?
[04:19] <SubMOA> any points in any direction would be greatly appreciated
[04:19] <nickspoon> how you give the engine the fuel is different, however.
[04:19] <lupine_85> do we really need the car analogies? IMO they're just confusing
[04:19] <SubMOA> nickspoon, hmmm
[04:19] <slain_> auli_i "guest = ok" where do I put this in smb.conf
[04:19] <ken> un_operateur: lupine_85: anyways thank you
[04:19] <reiki> diesel powered ubuntu..... efficient! :)
[04:20] <auli> slain_ under the share works, outside the share should imply that it work for all the shares
[04:20] <nickspoon> so instead of using a nozzle (a .deb) you'd be using a hosepipe (a .rpm) and piping it into your system. probably through a hosepipe->nozzle converter (alien).
[04:20] <SubMOA> lupine_85, they work ok for me, or at least I think they do... lol
[04:20] <sonno> I can't log in as root under the ctrl+alt F#s but I can with SU in X.
[04:20] <nickspoon> reiki: Ubuntu is powered by hydrogen fuel cells :)
[04:20] <malt> on my ubuntu server running apache2, does anyone know why when i installed bandwidth throttle for apache2, that the cap gets slower like every 3 days+ ? and i have to restart apache2, and the speeds will go back normal.
[04:20] <sonno> Can anyone help me out, please?
[04:21] <auli> slain_ but the guest = ok keyword doesn't work, maybe we need to change the kind of authentication scheme or something that is used
[04:21] <ken> sonno: whats the problem
[04:21] <auli> slain_ wait, let me check
[04:21] <SubMOA> nickspoon, so you want the nozzle, not the hosepipe
[04:21] <funkyHat> sonno, just log in as you and then su then
[04:21] <nickspoon> SubMOA: preferably you just want to go to the petrol station and ask the robot there to fill your car up for you.
[04:21] <sonno> I need to get into it without X.
[04:21] <hastesaver> SubMOA, the "why" is that different distros have small inconsistencies about where the libraries are stored, etc... Programs take options at compile time to account for this, but if something was compiled for another distro (like the RPM probably was), it may not plug in perfectly into Ubuntu.
[04:21] <nickspoon> that is, use a repository.
[04:21] <sonno> I'm trying to install a Nvidia driver.
[04:21] <lupine_85> SubMOA: really? Because it seems to be off to la-la land right now :p
[04:21] <SubMOA> so there is to much extra baggage that your system has to slof through with a .rpm?
[04:21] <ken> !nvidia | sonno
[04:21] <ubotu> sonno: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:22] <SubMOA> nickspoon, LMAO, nice
[04:22] <funkyHat> sonno, yes, log in as you on one of the VTs, and then sudo -i to get a root term
[04:22] <slain_> auli_ thanks for all of your help so far
[04:22] <lupine_85> sonno: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop will stop X; replace the stop with a start to start it again
[04:22] <sonno> Will it leave up this terminal, though?
[04:22] <SubMOA> lupine_85, perhaps...
[04:22] <SubMOA> :O)
[04:22] <sonno> I can't log into the fullscreen terminals that I can get to with the F#s.
[04:22] <auli> slain_ it could have to do with the "security" keyword, OR, something simple like setting the "guest account"
[04:23] <lupine_85> the main issue with rpm/deb conversion is that the scripts in each one assume that the system is set up in a certain - incompatible - manner
[04:23] <funkyHat> sonno, not even as you?
[04:23] <sonno> It tells me my password is wrong.
[04:23] <SubMOA> hastesaver, thank you, that, really, actually helped a bit... I know it seems obvious, but that's something I can use as a start to google
[04:23] <auli> slain_ when i saw that simply adding an account worked, i stopped trying
[04:23] <lupine_85> that's it. No nozzles - nothing needed.
[04:23] <SubMOA> please understand, I don't want to "use" linux, I want to master it
[04:23] <ken> lupine_85: when i stopX, i am dropped at a PURE text-based environment that asks me to login into my computer ok? So if i want to shutdown my computer from this environment without starting X, what do i do?
[04:23] <sonno> I know it's not wrong, though. I've reset it and the root passwd a few times and it won't work.
[04:23] <SubMOA> and perhaps the best way is sloffing through it, which I have been doing
[04:23] <lupine_85> ken: reboot
[04:23] <hastesaver> SubMOA, with your curiosity, just keep using it and you'll master it :-)
[04:23] <lupine_85> maybe sudo reboot
[04:24] <ken> lupine_85: simply press the 'reset' button when i get a prompt as login:****
[04:24] <SubMOA> but mailing lists anf forums can be time consuming, and being in Japan in the military, I don't have a lot of time :O)
[04:24] <MJ> Hi all, Hope someone can help me out here. Synaptic, Update manager and APT-Get are not working on my Edgy. Segmentation fault. Nothing more. What should I do?
[04:24] <lupine_85> no, type the command reboot
[04:24] <ken> lupine_85: i dont want to reboot, i want to shut it down
[04:24] <nickspoon> SubMOA: if you can't get a .deb, and want the best compatibility for your system, install from source. that'll take some time though.
[04:24] <lupine_85> or shutdown now
[04:24] <SubMOA> hastesaver, thank you for the encouragement
[04:24] <lupine_85> it's all the same
[04:24] <ken> lupine_85: ok
[04:24] <reiki> well.... for as often as I need XP, I think I'll just leave this alone and swap the boot drive in BIOS when I need it. I think I used XP twice in the last 6 months
[04:24] <SubMOA> nickspoon, what if I don't have the right decompiler
[04:24] <x-r00t-x> find: /proc/7114/task: No such file or directory
[04:24] <lupine_85> SubMOA: decompiler?
[04:24] <nickspoon> SubMOA: almost all source is either C/C++ or python.
[04:24] <x-r00t-x> find: /proc/7114/fd: No such file or directory any idea?
[04:24] <sonno> I was just making a stupid mistake.
[04:24] <SubMOA> nickspoon, i mean compiler
[04:25] <sonno> That's for the help, though.
[04:25] <lupine_85> SubMOA: then install it :p
[04:25] <lupine_85> gcc is usually all you need though
[04:25] <ken> byr
[04:25] <nickspoon> SubMOA: compilers for those are included in the packages build-essential and python.
[04:25] <nickspoon> python is installed by default anyway :)
[04:25] <lupine_85> an interesting one is fpc...
[04:25] <nickspoon> !build-essential
[04:25] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:25] <SubMOA> lol, gotcha, however today (I think it was gdk 2.0) I couldn't find a .deb (or, rather, something from the SPM directory) for a program i needed
[04:25] <lupine_85> to build it from source, you need a binary version of fpc
[04:25] <MJ> anyone?
[04:26] <auli> MJ, try reinstalling them
[04:26] <axisys> how do i read .chm file in linux?
[04:26] <irbi> gjh,
[04:26] <irbi> vjkl
[04:26] <irbi> gkujl
[04:26] <auli> MJ, use apt-get if you have to
[04:26] <nickspoon> SubMOA: libgdk is available in the repository.
[04:26] <ken> axisys: Good question!
[04:26] <lupine_85> axisys: compiled html help?
[04:26] <qeed> axisys, use xchm
[04:26] <omghelp> amarok isnt detecting when i connet my ipod... rhythmbox does.. how do i make amarok detect ipod?
[04:26] <ken> lupine_85: yes
[04:26] <MJ> auli: that's what I said. apt-get segfaults
[04:27] <SubMOA> so libgdk is the same as gdk 2.0?
[04:27] <pm2> Hi - I'm trying to run Win2k under Ubuntu linux, and so far its working pretty well.  However, when I start qemu with the argument "-smb /home/pm2/myShare", I cannot access it in Windows - even after I add the line to the lmhosts file.  This is the latest version of qemu.  Any ideas as to what I could try?
[04:27] <ken> qeed: thank you
[04:27] <lupine_85> people use that outside of window?
[04:27] <auli> MJ: reinstalling ubuntu then?
[04:27] <nickspoon> SubMOA: yes.
[04:27] <auli> MJ: it probably means that the files are corrupt
[04:27] <ken> Any of you code Java in a linux environment?
[04:27] <ken> lupine_85: yes?
[04:27] <lupine_85> MJ: does dpkg work?
[04:27] <auli> MJ: or if you can extract the package manually, do that and replace existing files
[04:27] <nickspoon> SubMOA: and to compile libgdk apps from source, you'd have to install libgdk-pixbuf-dev.
[04:27] <lupine_85> apt-get should not segfault
[04:27] <SubMOA> nickspoon, is that something you are supposed to "know" or is there someway i can figure out that it is the same thing?
[04:27] <axisys> qeed: thnx
[04:27] <SubMOA> is that a weird sounding questoin?
[04:28] <wheelswitch> ken:  yah, i do
[04:28] <nickspoon> SubMOA: just use your intuition.
[04:28] <ken> wheelswitch: what IDE/editor do you prefer?
[04:28] <wheelswitch> eclipse or drjava
[04:28] <SubMOA> nickspoon, woah, what is libgdk-pixbuf-dev?!?
[04:28] <daviey> how can i 'mv' a folder, in console?
[04:28] <MJ> lupine_85: I think it works. I never used that though, and don't know how to (  use it)
[04:28] <nickspoon> SubMOA: it's a package.
[04:28] <Viaken> Apparently feisty doesn't like me.
[04:28] <lupine_85> SubMOA: .h files mostly
[04:28] <wheelswitch> ken:  drjava is far simpler
[04:28] <ken> wheelswitch: I want a light-weight editor (i am on GNOME), what would you recommend?
[04:28] <hastesaver> Dave123, by using "mv"? :-)
[04:28] <SubMOA> nickspoon, rgr, running low on intuition, will see availability at next stop
[04:29] <lupine_85> ken: nano or gedit
[04:29] <lupine_85> nano being the most lightweight
[04:29] <SubMOA> lupine_85, .h ?
[04:29] <daviey> hastesaver, yes
[04:29] <ollekalle> Hi, I want to start a program with & not to lock my shell. I also want to grab shell output from that very program. Is this the way to go: '>myprogram > logfile.txt&'?
[04:29] <MJ> auli: is there not a more lelegant way to refresh the tree? outside of apt?
[04:29] <lupine_85> SubMOA: yes. .h
[04:29] <wheelswitch> ken try a few, what features do you want?
[04:29] <wheelswitch> emacs works too...
[04:29] <hastesaver> daviey, just do "mv directoryname newlocation"
[04:29] <ken> lupine_85: gedit is too simplistic, i want essential things like loop collapsing and methods collapsing, do you get the idea?
[04:29] <lupine_85> ken: kate does that
[04:29] <lupine_85> but it's KDE-based
[04:29] <SubMOA> lupine_85, what is that, exactly, or, rather, should I just wiki or google it?
[04:29] <hastesaver> SubMOA, you can search for it in Synaptic (the Add-Remove apps thing). Or at the commandline, with apt-cache search.
[04:29] <daviey> hastesaver, i want to 'mv * ../' but it says omitin directories
[04:29] <lupine_85> well, they're C header file
[04:29] <lupine_85> ...s
[04:30] <lupine_85> you know, files that C source references for defines, function prototypes, etc
[04:30] <Viaken> ollekalle: "program > logfile.txt &" should work.
[04:30] <ken> lupine_85: wheelswitch: suggesting vim/emacs to a windows user is a sure shot way of speeding up his departure from linux?
[04:30] <Viaken> ollekalle: Assuming you use bash, too. ;)
[04:30] <ken> lupine_85: wheelswitch: No '?' there
[04:30] <lupine_85> ken: nah
[04:30] <vleon> can someone help me?
[04:30] <ollekalle> Viaken: bash, yes :)
[04:31] <lupine_85> edgy uses dash...
[04:31] <lupine_85> silly edgy
[04:31] <SubMOA> lupine_85, what you're saying seems to make sense, but I can't pretend I understand it all... basically it's something like a library for programs written in C?
[04:31] <Viaken> lupine_85: That explains some things.
[04:31] <lupine_85> SubMOA: it's how C programs know how to interface with a library
[04:31] <SubMOA> lupine_85, oOo
[04:31] <lupine_85> the library is also written in C, usually, and uses the same header files
[04:32] <daviey> i want to 'mv * ../' but it says omiting directories
[04:32] <lupine_85> so both the program and the library have the same expectations when communicating with each other
[04:32] <Juhaz> SubMOA, the dev packages contain files needed to compile something that needs the library
[04:32] <lupine_85> daviey: how about mv * .. ?
[04:32] <daviey> lupine_85, actually i want to mv * ../xxx
[04:32] <wheelswitch> ken:  drjava is easy to use
[04:33] <SubMOA> juhaz, hmmm
[04:33] <ken> wheelswitch: drjava is not available in the official ubuntu repos
[04:33] <ken> :(
[04:33] <lupine_85> daviey: how about mv * ../xxx/ ?
[04:33] <hastesaver> daviey, I hope you have backups of everything?
[04:33] <hastesaver> is ../xxx an existing directory? Otherwise your files are probably gone :-)
[04:33] <lupine_85> although organising your pr0n is a bit... obsessive... :p
[04:34] <daviey> thanks guys, seems to be working now.  i was trying to do it with -R like rm
[04:34] <SubMOA> well, It's getting late, I have to run, I have gotten more knowledge out of this room in the short time I've been here than the last few days of scrounging around the net for stuff.  Thank you all so much for your time, I truly appreciate it and I hope to see you again!  Thanks, night!
[04:34] <wheelswitch> eclipse isnt light weight but it is extreemly powerful
[04:34] <lupine_85> KDevelop > eclipse
[04:34] <lupine_85> but yeah
[04:35] <ken> lupine_85: If i dont get some package in this case 'drjava', from ubuntu's repos where should i head to?
[04:35] <wheelswitch> have not tried that one
[04:35] <wheelswitch> drjava is on sourceforge
[04:35] <ken> lupine_85: KDevelop and Kate dont integrate well with GNOME
[04:35] <ollekalle> Viaken: thanks
[04:35] <lupine_85> ken: I guess
[04:35] <lupine_85> so install KDE :p
[04:35] <lupine_85> j/k
[04:36] <ken> lupine_85: i installed it yesterday, and got overwhelmed by it, i like 'sense and simplicity' so i use GNOME ;-)
[04:36] <ken> lupine_85: again, If i dont get some package in this case 'drjava', from ubuntu's repos where should i head to?
[04:36] <hastesaver> ken, what is drjava ?
[04:36] <lupine_85> ken: the source code, IMO
[04:36] <ken> hastesaver: it is a simple java based IDE suggested to me by wheelswitch
[04:36] <lupine_85> but whatever you find easiest and least likely to break your computer, I guess
[04:37] <Viaken> Apparently I chose a bad time to try and upgrade to feisty. lol
[04:37] <ken> lupine_85: I am looking for some place to look for .deb files that work in Ubuntu maybe something like a large directory. What would you do (what site would you go to) if you want a package not listed in ubuntu's repos?
[04:37] <lupine_85> Viaken: any time is a bad time :p
[04:37] <hastesaver> ken, it looks like it's just a jar file, so just downloading the jar file and running it with java -jar <filename> (or even just double-clicking on it) should work, I guess
[04:37] <Viaken> lupine_85: I don't mind some breakage if I can boot. :P
[04:37] <lupine_85> ken: I'd google
[04:38] <lupine_85> Viaken: yeah. booting..
[04:38] <Viaken> Yeah lol
[04:38] <lupine_85> need a live CD?
[04:38] <ken> lupine_85: and what is google? ;-)
[04:38] <lupine_85> !google
[04:38] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[04:38] <lupine_85> :p
[04:38] <ken> hastesaver: good observation, any recommendations for a programming lightweight editor?
[04:38] <Viaken> ken: Scite
[04:39] <lupine_85> ken: it really depends on whether anyone's /bothered/ to build it for ubuntu or not.
[04:39] <pm2> When I compile something, it fails with this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lole32" -- I can't figure out what package I need to install.  Any ideas?
[04:39] <noelferreira> hi people. there's such a thing like VOIPBUSTER for use with ubuntu?
[04:39] <johan_> how do you scan for wireless connections with 6.10
[04:39] <lupine_85> !info libole32-dev
[04:39] <ubotu> Package libole32-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[04:39] <lupine_85> meh
[04:40] <lupine_85> pm2: it's the development package for the ole32 library (-l)
[04:40] <johan_> iwconfig?
[04:40] <ken> lupine_85: If the source code of a program is available on GPL, and it has a version on MS WINDOWS (in this case notepad++), is there some way i can make it run on ubuntu? i use it all the time for Java programming at work but in linux i am kind of feeling lonely without it, its a simple text-editor with useful features
[04:40] <lupine_85> as to where you'd get it from... good question
[04:40] <hastesaver> ken, "programming" and "lightweight" are contradictory... it's a tradeoff. I live at one extreme (Emacs) so the wrong one to ask :-)
[04:40] <lupine_85> ken: it might compile. But probably won't
[04:40] <Viaken> johan_: For finding a network to join, I use NetworkManager (not the most stable thing, though, from what I hear. Works for me.) For general scanning or security audits, I go with kismet.
[04:40] <pm2> lupine_85, I can't locate a libole32* package
[04:40] <lupine_85> the win32 API and the X API are completely different
[04:40] <lupine_85> pm2: then it's time to google or ask the developers where to get it from
[04:41] <johan_> does iwconfig work?
[04:41] <ken> lupine_85: hastesaver: ok
[04:41] <ken> !Bye
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Bye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <ken> no?
[04:42] <ken> ;-)
[04:42] <pm2> lupine_85, well, I have been googling ... if I found it, I wouldn't be wasting your time here ;-)
[04:42] <johan_> is NetworkManager installed by default in ubuntu 6.10
[04:42] <drbreen> johan_: i doubt that
[04:42] <obi_1> hi, I have problem with amaroK on ubuntu - it just don't play mp3 files - do I need to do something special to get it working?
[04:42] <un_operateur> !mp3 | obi_1
[04:42] <ubotu> obi_1: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:42] <lupine_85> pm2: then you'll need to ask the developers. Although... isn't OLE a windows thing?
[04:42] <johan_> how can i connect to wireless internet with default ubuntu
[04:43] <pm2> lupine_85, yeah, I'll do that - apt-file isn't finding anything either... this is for a windows emulator, so maybe I'm configuring it incorrectly...
[04:43] <johan_> iwconfig eth1 linksys gives me an error
[04:44] <corypho> hello
[04:44] <CheyenneD> Where do i get MP3 codecs?
[04:44] <hastesaver> !mp3
[04:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:44] <un_operateur> pm2, seems the only OLE package one ubuntu's repos is libole-storage-lite-perl which isnt what you are after, i assume
[04:44] <corypho> i search a program like battery maximiser on windows for my ibm t42p. is there something similar on ubuntu? i would like to have longest akku-time
[04:44] <un_operateur> s/one/on/
[04:45] <ibob63> I've got a copy of the live cd 6.06 from which you can install ubuntu. However it keeps stalling. Is there a way of installing from the command line and not the live ubuntu?
[04:45] <pm2> un_operateur, saw that one... don't think its what I want
[04:45] <noelferreira> hi people. there's such a thing like VOIPBUSTER for use with ubuntu?
[04:45] <hastesaver> ibob63, try the alternative install cd
[04:45] <un_operateur> pm2, what are these packages in relation to?
[04:45] <pm2> un_operateur, a custom compile of qemu
[04:45] <johan_> i still dont understand how to use my wireless in ubuntu
[04:46] <sanozuke> i have libpcap-0.9.4 how do i do to install
[04:46] <corypho> hello? can anybody help me with such a program?
[04:46] <ibob63> hastesaver - sadly, i don't have any other CD's.... is there are way of getting the live on to work like the other wone?
[04:47] <lupine_85> pm2: you might be able to feed it a CFLAG to turn off OLE support
[04:47] <johan_> arent we suppose to be able to use iwconfig to use the wireless
[04:47] <lupine_85> johan_: yep
[04:48] <pm2> lupine_85, yeah, that's what I'm looking for now...
[04:48] <corypho> no program to regulate the energy?
[04:48] <lupine_85> before you can configure it, you need the drivers installed though
[04:48] <un_operateur> pm2, if you are missing dependencies -- you might want to try -- sudo apt-get build-dep qemu
[04:48] <hastesaver> ibob63, if it's stalling, it probably means something wrong with the CD... do you have the iso image so that you can burn a new CD?
[04:48] <juano> i have a problem with a motorola rokr to make it sync with amarok, aparently the problem is it is searching for iTunesDB in the wrong directory, how can i change it to look in other dir?
[04:48] <sanozuke> what's the term to a program that count's uploads and downloads
[04:48] <lupine_85> sanozuke: iptraf ?
[04:48] <un_operateur> sanozuke, uploads and downloads of what exactly?
[04:48] <pm2> un_operateur, I did - there not in there.  I'm thinking I may not be doing the ./configure correctly, so I just tried a different one... waiting to see what make does
[04:49] <linopil> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ---- cannot find it also cannot find xchat what repo? why ?
[04:49] <johan_> my wireless card works fine but i'm not sure how to get associated with my router
[04:49] <sanozuke> i have limits to download
[04:49] <sanozuke> have to count them
[04:49] <MegaRom> anybody know some why cpp asks initialisers ? graphics.cpp:21: fout: expected initializer before extern
[04:49] <un_operateur> pm2, yea, if qemu has odd dependencies, the INSTALL/README file ought to let you know about them and where to obtain them from
[04:49] <sanozuke> so i don't exced
[04:50] <hastesaver> sanozuke, i don't know about counting, but the package trickle might help for controlling
[04:50] <rambo3> !qemu-launcher
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qemu-launcher - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <rambo3> !info qemu-launcher
[04:50] <ubotu> Package qemu-launcher does not exist in any distro I know
[04:50] <pm2> un_operateur, actually, I think I fixed it with ./configure -- I may have --enabled something that is windows-centric.  It seems to be working OK now.  Thanks
[04:50] <johan_> ok got it
[04:50] <un_operateur> sanozuke, ifconfig tells you how many bytes have entered the interface ... perhaps that helps
[04:50] <lupine_85> MegaRom: syntax error
[04:50] <johan_> missing part was ifconfig eth1 up
[04:51] <un_operateur> pm2, :)
[04:51] <richard501> ~$ iwconfig eth1
[04:51] <richard501> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"appleby2"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4318"
[04:51] <richard501>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Invalid   Bit Rate=1 Mb/s
[04:51] <ollekalle> question: How can I from ssh (or from shell-login) start X applications? (I have gdm up and running)
[04:51] <richard501> Access point issue
[04:52] <richard501> how can i fix it
[04:52] <lupine_85> ollekalle: you need to specify the display to show the app on
[04:52] <hartsantler> anybody tried xubuntu? i want to try it
[04:52] <lupine_85> e.g. DISPLAY=my_ip_here:0 app_name
[04:52] <ollekalle> lupine_85: is there some man-page for this?