[07:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:19] <dwatkins> hello brobostigon and anyone else watching this window/tab
[07:19] <brobostigon> hello dwatkins
[07:28] <arsen> morning all :)
[07:38] <popey> morning
[07:38] <popey> anyone used remote desktop with virtualbox? it implies you can RDP to a VM from another host but it doesn't seem to enable for me.
[07:39] <popey> I have "Enable server" and port 3389 set in virtualbox
[07:39] <popey> but the port isn't open
[07:39] <dwatkins> you might have to do port stuffs to enable it, popey - I vaguely remember doing that for ssh
[07:39] <popey> its on the LAN
[07:39] <popey> what do you mean by "port stuffs"
[07:40] <dwatkins> popey: effectively allowing the port to be forwarded by its NAT virtual firewall
[07:40] <dwatkins> ...or is it bridged?
[07:40] <popey> no, you remote to the host IP
[07:40] <popey> so the documentation says
[07:41] <dwatkins> I assume it's enabled in the guest OS
[07:41] <popey> no
[07:41] <popey> its not a feature of the guest
[07:41] <popey> its a feature of virtualbox
[07:41] <dwatkins> oh that, it's a different port, iirc
[07:41] <popey> it says 3389
[07:41] <popey> but remmina on the box next to it can't connect
[07:41] <popey> "Unable to connect to RDP server <IP_ADDRESS>"
[07:42] <dwatkins> does it even initiate the connection if you telnet to that IP/port?
[07:42] <popey> no
[07:42] <popey> yet its "enabled" in virtualbox
[07:42] <popey> and I have guest additions installed
[07:42] <dwatkins> if you use the cmdline VBoxManage option to show options, is vrde on?
[07:43] <dwatkins> I don't have a machine here, but that shouldn't be too difficult to find in its --help options
[07:46] <dwatkins> "Even when the extension is installed, the VRDP server is disabled by default. It can easily be enabled on a per-VM basis either in the VirtualBox Manager in the "Display" settings (see the section called “Display settings”) or with VBoxManage"
[07:46] <popey> its enabled in the menu and in the settings dialog
[07:47] <diplo> Morning all
[07:48] <dwatkins> I wonder if the entire service needs restarting for it to take effect, popey
[07:49] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/vbox.png
[07:49] <popey> perhaps..
[07:50] <popey> nope
[07:50] <popey> gonna just vnc to the guest, i know that will work :(
[07:50] <dwatkins> yeah :-/
[07:50] <dwatkins> I wonder if x11vnc works on the RPi yet...
[07:52] <popey> haha, oops
[07:52] <popey> vnc to the guest IP gets me VNC to the host!
[07:52] <dwatkins> sounds like it's NAT'ed
[07:52] <popey> bridged
[07:52] <popey> oh, no, wrong IP :D
[07:52] <dwatkins> perhaps there's MAC address wierdness
[07:52] <dwatkins> ahhh
[07:53] <popey> crashed virtualbox :D
[07:53] <dwatkins> ouch
[07:53] <arsen> erp
[07:54] <popey> right, that doesn't work, i presume because of the guest extensions
[07:54] <popey> sheesh
[07:54]  * popey moves the VM to this machine to run locally
[07:54] <dwatkins> I should probably upgrade the RAM in my netbook to run VirtualBox.
[07:54] <dwatkins> We use vmware at work, so I don't have VB here.
[07:58] <popey> oddly i just downloaded virtualbox from their website, clicked the deb, software center opens and shows me the wrong screenshot
[07:58]  * popey files a bug in USC
[07:58] <arsen> what's the screenshot then?:o
[08:02] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/109808270/Selection_101.png
[08:02] <popey> askubuntu lens
[08:03] <arsen> heh
[08:11] <dwatkins> popey: wouldn't it be the IP address of the host you'd use to connect to the console of a guest?
[08:11] <popey> yes
[08:11] <popey> thats what I did
[08:12] <dwatkins> ah ok, curioser and curioser, perhaps you have RDP enabled already and the port conflicts
[08:14] <popey> i gave up :)
[08:14] <popey> scp the vdi to another machine
[08:14] <dwatkins> fair enough
[08:14] <dwatkins> ...and the rain comes down
[08:14] <dwatkins> I was waiting for the kettle to boil, watching out the window in a meeting room, and someone walks in asking if I've booked the room for the day...
[08:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <dwatkins> hiya bigcalm
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:39] <czajkowski> Good morning
[08:46] <Monotoko> morning all
[08:50] <oimon> anyone seen that ouya android under TV PC announced on kickstarter?
[08:51] <oimon> problem is  ,by the time it's out, there will probably be plenty other decent options too
[08:51] <jussi> oimon: I can give you a box which runs android for your tv tomorrow
[08:52] <oimon> similar to this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
[08:57] <Monotoko> I saw it yesterday... it looks pretty damn cool
[08:58] <Monotoko> Mar 2013 as well is the shipping date they are going for... I think they can keep ahead if they hit that
[08:59] <oimon> i want a sub £99 arm box under my telly
[08:59] <oimon> but more powerful than a rasp pi
[09:00] <directhex> i'm reaaaaaaaaaly unconvinced about ouya
[09:01] <diplo> oimon: You can buy the tablet boards with ICS on them with out the tablets
[09:02] <bigcalm> "Congratulations! Your account is now enabled for uploads longer than 15 minutes." This is a special day :)
[09:03] <codecowboy> hi. i am trying to access a samba share on a virtual machine from windows 7. i could browse as a guest but when i switch off gues mode, i cannot authenticate. do i need to add a user on the linux side with the same name as my windows user?
[09:05] <bigcalm> codecowboy: that's one way. The other is to login to the share using different credentials
[09:05] <codecowboy> bigcalm: thanks. no credentials i use seem to work :(
[09:06] <codecowboy> bigcalm: i did smbpasswd with an existing user
[09:08] <bigcalm> You may have to enter the username as WORKGROUP\username
[09:11] <gord> i fixed this *exact* problem a few weeks ago
[09:11] <gord> it would be helpful if i remembered how
[09:11] <bigcalm> gord: stopped using cifs?
[09:12] <oimon> gord, did it involve a regedit hack?
[09:12] <gord> noo, it was on the ubuntus side
[09:12] <bigcalm> That shouldn't be required
[09:12] <oimon> got your / and \ the right way round?
[09:14] <oimon> does an entry exist in the DNS for both machines?
[09:14] <bigcalm> oimon: codecowboy can connect as a guest
[09:16] <gord> codecowboy: i think i used system-config-samba to fix it somehow
[09:17] <oimon> bigcalm, i would expect the authentication to be different though, and may rely on correctly resoving the hostname
[09:17] <oimon> maybe a dump of the smb.conf would help
[09:23] <gord> nooo its not that
[09:23] <gord> i fixed this, nothing in smb.conf fixes it
[09:25]  * Monotoko facepalms
[09:25] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7biXXMkek # skip to 1:25 for the action to start
[09:25] <Monotoko> I swear.. if I get one more buggy PHP module from my bosses indian devs -.-
[09:25] <BigRedS> PHP's supposed to be buggy!
[09:25] <bigcalm> It's how we make money
[09:26] <Monotoko> it's a database system! They gave me a flat file module that I can't track -.-
[09:26] <Monotoko> so I'm having to create an ad-hoc way to try and track which themes are being used where
[09:29] <codecowboy> gord: does any of this sound familiar? http://askubuntu.com/questions/19361/cant-access-ubuntus-shared-folders-from-windows-7
[09:30] <gord> nooo
[09:38] <The_Fred> hello
[10:00] <oimon> whenever i think i look a bit rough, i check chris moyles wikipedia page and remind myself than he is only 1 yr older than me
[10:01] <oimon> stupid ctrl-w
[10:01] <oimon> was trying to close the wikipedia page..
[10:05] <Laney> grr
[10:06] <Laney> why aren't generated and saved passwords reconciled in lastpass >:(
[10:08] <oimon> how can i map ctrl-alt-L to lock my screen in cinnamon :-\
[10:22] <czajkowski> Might be of interest to folks tomorrow, http://blog.launchpad.net/general/maas-webinar
[10:23] <Laney> it ain't a maas demo unless somebody trips over a cable
[10:28] <directhex> monkeys as a service? never going to end well
[10:28] <Laney> it is a grand project trying to reproduce shakespeare
[10:29] <directhex> why use monkeys, when there are a load of out-of-job pigeons?
[10:29] <directhex> i hear google use pandas now, not pigeons, to do their search ranking
[10:32] <Laney> well, nobody knows the behaviour of infinite numbers of pigeons
[10:32] <Laney> whereas monkeys are well studied
[10:33] <directhex> "it was the best of times, it was the blurst of times"
[10:41] <codecowboy> gord: dont supopse you remember the windows7 issue? i have been busy trying everything under the sun and rebooting, still no luck
[10:41] <gord> use system-config-samba to fix it
[10:42] <gord> i don't know what it is, but that is what i used
[10:43] <codecowboy> gord: i dont have that. i am using a server VM, not a gui.
[10:43] <gord> well then i don't know how to fix it
[10:44] <codecowboy> Anyone know why I might be able to browse a samba share from windows 7 but not be able to authenticate?
[10:44] <codecowboy> gord: ok thanks
[11:18] <AlanBell> Laney: so true, that was the best product demo evar
[11:19] <Laney> I was certainly sold
[11:19] <popey> shame they cut the trip
[11:19] <AlanBell> it is a shame so much was cut
[11:19] <Laney> it lives on in our hearts
[11:19] <AlanBell> Daviey is a hero
[11:21] <Daviey> thanks chaps. :)
[11:21] <AlanBell> Daviey: do you have the unedited video?
[11:21] <Daviey> prep'ing a demo at runtime is always good.
[11:21] <Laney> lazy evaluation
[11:21] <Daviey> AlanBell: not for public consumption.
[11:21] <AlanBell> so thats a yes then
[11:22] <AlanBell> Daviey bottom line was the demo *worked* even with all the funny bits
[11:26] <oimon> u1 files isn't working on my android :(
[11:26] <oimon> anyone else have this issue?
[11:27] <oimon> cannot sign into u1
[11:28] <gord> oimon: error here
[11:29] <bigcalm> aquarius: what have you broken?
[11:31] <oimon> i've tried 1) device > Settings > Manage applications > Ubuntu One Files > Force close, Clear app data 2) device > Settings > Accounts & sync > remove the Ubuntu account 3) device > Settings > Date & time > Automatic -- checked 4) relaunch Ubuntu One Files
[11:31] <oimon> still not working
[11:31] <oimon> https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/
[11:31] <oimon> LOL
[11:35] <oimon> oh, the whole of u1 is shagged
[11:36] <Laney> pretty sure they have a channel
[11:36] <popey> #ubuntuone
[11:39] <gord> pretty sure they know about it though
[11:43] <Laney> you're much more likely to find informed people there rather than here
[11:48] <DJones> oimon: That was commented on in #ubuntu, it was working for some people, just not for others
[12:04] <dogmatic69> how can I get the user id and group id
[12:05] <popey> uid
[12:05] <popey> gid
[12:05] <popey> er
[12:05] <popey> id
[12:05] <popey> :D
[12:05] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: type id
[12:05] <popey> i _always_ think it's uid then type it and go "oh yeah" and type id
[12:06] <dogmatic69> nice, thanks
[12:07] <Laney> laney@raleigh> uid                                                                                ~/dev/ubuntu/packaging/random/emacs24
[12:07] <Laney> zsh: correct 'uid' to 'id' [nyae]?
[12:07] <Laney> ^_^
[12:09] <livingdaylight> haro
[12:10] <popey> boo
[12:12] <brobostigon> what is the affect called, where in both of the earth hemispheres, water flows opposite?
[12:12]  * Laney is distressed that he forgot to start this 10 hour build (over ssh) under screen
[12:12] <Laney> brobostigon: do you mean the corolis effect?
[12:13] <Laney> coriollis?
[12:13]  * Laney spulling ez hrd
[12:13] <brobostigon> thank you Laney , yes, :)
[12:13] <popey> Laney, what is this arm lunacy you are building?
[12:13] <Laney> ghc
[12:13] <popey> !info ghc
[12:13] <livingdaylight> sorry to trouble anyone/everyone, who might know : I've just put a pc together using an Asus P8H61 motherboard and immediately installed ubuntu on a new 500gb sata3 hd, but the live cd came up really sluggish, but, regardless, I went ahead and still installed it, however, its still not running as it should. system is slow to respond basically. Any advice/insights on the matter, please?
[12:13] <popey> oh
[12:13] <Laney> yeah, that!
[12:14] <popey> livingdaylight, what video card?
[12:14] <Laney> testing a bootstrap, although the unstoppable adam conrad will have to pres butan in the end
[12:14] <livingdaylight> popey, the motherboard comes with its own onboard graphics. I haven't installed a dedicated card
[12:15] <popey> livingdaylight, what CPU?
[12:15] <livingdaylight> popey, i3 2120
[12:15] <popey> some intel thing by the look of it?
[12:15] <gord> bah, raid rebuilding is gonna take hours, dumb slow spinning things
[12:15] <popey> livingdaylight, open a terminal, run top, see whats eating cpu?
[12:15] <popey> livingdaylight, how much RAM does it have?
[12:16] <livingdaylight> popey, 8gb on 1 stick
[12:18] <popey> livingdaylight, soo.. top?
[12:19] <livingdaylight> popey, maybe this reveals something : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/toplvg.png/
[12:20] <popey> not especially
[12:20] <popey> can you be more specific about the issue?
[12:21] <livingdaylight> clicking on things long delays; for eg the update icon on panel
[12:22] <popey> define long
[12:22] <livingdaylight> sluggish.... either not responding or long delay
[12:23] <popey> can you quantify it?
[12:23] <livingdaylight> with new i3 and 8gb or ram I expect to be flying
[12:23] <AlanBell> livingdaylight: how many seconds to start libreoffice writer?
[12:23] <livingdaylight> AlanBell, 4 seconds
[12:23] <popey> thats good
[12:23] <AlanBell> that is pretty quick
[12:24] <livingdaylight> guys, it seems to be picking up speed
[12:24] <AlanBell> the update icon will be downloading tons of stuff and blocking on your network connection I expect
[12:24] <livingdaylight> I trust I connected all the wires right on the motherboard etc
[12:25] <livingdaylight> Ok, due a reboot due to updates including kernel, brb
[12:25] <livingdaylight> THANX
[12:26] <Laney> haha
[12:26] <Laney> first boot, was probably building caches and stuff
[12:29] <livingdaylight> seems that when I respond to the update notification on panel it doesn't respond. I have to go through power button and ask it to install updates
[12:31] <livingdaylight> another 'restart'
[12:41] <livingdaylight> I now have the system not responding to my mouse. It only enables me to launch programs, but for instance, when I launched FF and tried to open a new tab, I couldn't. Or when launching X-chat I wanted to go to edit to add ubuntu-uk to the default list of rooms and again, couldn't. Its as if screen froze. I just put new batteries in this wireless mouse.
[12:42] <livingdaylight> can not even open the workspace switcher now
[12:46] <livingdaylight> After a new build does one have to first insert the accompanying dvd to the motherboard? or should it be ok to immediately install Ubuntu?
[12:49] <The_Fred> id go for install
[12:50] <popey> livingdaylight, does it work fine from the keyboard?
[12:51] <popey> i.e. if you press the windows/super key, do you get the dash pop up quickly?
[12:51] <popey> if you open a text editor like gedit, and type do the keystrokes appear quickly?
[12:51] <popey> I wouldn't do a clean install given you've only just installed this, thats a brute force approach which won't solve the issue
[12:51] <livingdaylight> popey, keyboard works fine. Roles have reversed. Before it was the keyboard that the system was sluggish in responding to.
[12:52]  * popey goes to a meeting...
[12:52] <livingdaylight> mouse is not launching anything anymore. Only allows me to swtch rooms withing xchat
[12:54] <livingdaylight> re: clean install. I was referring to the fact that I installed Ubuntu before doing anything on this fresh built-system including first inserting the motherboard's accomanying dvd. Maybe, that would install necessary drivers etc to make subsequent installation of os more smooth-running.
[12:56]  * bigcalm wonders if popey will make it out alive
[13:03] <ali1234> hmm... just discovered that this wordpress site is really slow if two people try to use it at the same time
[13:11]  * BigRedS wonders if that SQLite wordpress backend was such a good idea after all
[13:12] <diplo> BigRedS: / bigcalm : Know if pear Mail package is dependant on anything apart from sendmail being installed to work ?
[13:12] <BigRedS> diplo: I've no idea. I always end up swearing when I use PHP
[13:13] <bigcalm> diplo: shouldn't be dependant on anything
[13:14] <diplo> :(
[13:14] <diplo> I want to blame this on something else :)
[13:14] <bigcalm> diplo: you want it to be dependant on something?
[13:14] <bigcalm> 1st step: can you send email from the box by other means?
[13:15] <diplo> No, still on this old php4 code
[13:15] <bigcalm> 2nd step: do you have access to an SMTP relay?
[13:15] <diplo> Got 99% working, and email was the last thing
[13:15] <bigcalm> 3rd step: what does `which sendmail` give you?
[13:16] <diplo> mail command is not installed, but sendmail is up and running, so haven't tested it per se from local box
[13:16] <diplo> Suppose I should just install it and test
[13:16] <BigRedS> you should be able to simply pipe into it
[13:16] <BigRedS> that's what php does
[13:16] <BigRedS> hang on
[13:16] <diplo> I've used the Mail.php package loads of times and never had issues before :P
[13:16] <diplo> /usr/sbin/sendmail
[13:17] <BigRedS> diplo: https://gist.github.com/3090340
[13:17] <diplo> will try debuginfo i guess
[13:17] <BigRedS> that sort of thing
[13:17] <diplo> ok, will try ta
[13:18] <diplo> I like that, didn't know you could do it like that
[13:18] <diplo> It works
[13:18] <diplo> So defo the php code :/
[13:19]  * diplo delves deeper
[13:28] <diplo> rah found it, that took longer than expected
[13:30] <bigcalm> What was wrong?
[13:45] <diplo> Sorry got called awat
[13:46] <diplo> Umm from address was being grabbed from a session id that didn't exist so had @domain.com
[13:46] <diplo> and so failed
[13:49] <BigRedS> haha
[13:49] <BigRedS> I just spent a while fixing a problem like that
[13:49] <BigRedS> which reminds me. What're current favourites for bugtrackers?
[13:49] <BigRedS> Needs to look management-friendly and also let me interact with it by email
[13:50] <BigRedS> ideally interact with SVN and Git repos, too, just to make it harder
[13:51] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I happily use trac
[13:52] <bigcalm> BigRedS: trac comes with built in support for svn. git support with a plugin (not yet tested)
[13:52] <bigcalm> BigRedS: trac will send out emails, I don't know if it will receive emails - not something we've needed
[13:54] <BigRedS> bigcalm: cool, ta! Looks management friendly, too
[13:55] <BigRedS> receiving email's isn't *that* necessary
[13:55] <BigRedS> I'm just looking to replace both ad-hoc emails and a mediawiki-based to-do list
[14:02] <Laney> if you like email, you want debbugs :-)
[14:02] <Laney> (you probably don't like email as much as it wants you to, though)
[14:03] <BigRedS> haha, no, I don't want it to look like email
[14:06] <BigRedS> but more pertinently I want something that measn the people who currently email me and/or edit that wiki page can file proper bugs without too much goading
[14:16] <AlanBell> BigRedS: redmine is working for me on a project right now
[14:16] <AlanBell> you can put issue numbers in git commit messages and it then does the right thing with them and links to the issues
[14:17] <Daviey> AlanBell: how 2007!
[14:18] <BigRedS> Ew. Redmine?
[14:18] <BigRedS> We have customers running that...
[14:18]  * mattt likes redmine
[14:24] <BigRedS> Yeah, I think we've had too much trouble with that in general for me to be able to persuade anybody that using it is a good idea
[14:31] <BigRedS> Gah. Why does everything insist on writing times in its own definition of human-readable in it's logs. This is what epoch timestamps are for
[14:33] <AlanBell> Daviey: yeah, it isn't rocket science I guess
[14:42] <bigcalm> AlanBell: trac does the commit message to ticket number linking as well
[14:42] <bigcalm> And you can reference a revision number in a ticket which will then link
[14:42] <dogmatic69> what is the best way to rsync www-data files to a smb share as a different user?
[14:42] <AlanBell> yeah, trac is quite good, I have used that before
[14:42] <AlanBell> the main reason I picked redmine this time was that I hadn't used it
[14:43] <dogmatic69> eg: I am logged in as dogmatic69 and need to rsync www-data files to smb://whatever. 'rsync: chgrp foo/bar failed. Permission denied' all the time
[14:43] <dogmatic69> the folder is mounted with uid=1000,gid=1000 (dogmatic69:dogmatic69) and I am in the www-data group
[14:44] <dogmatic69> all the files are g+rw for wwww-data:www-data
[14:44] <AlanBell> BigRedS: the other possibility is to use launchpad or github commercial project stuff
[14:45] <AlanBell> we kind of like it being on our own infrastructure though
[14:45] <BigRedS> AlanBell: yeah, this needs to be internal
[14:45] <BigRedS> aside from anything else I want it to talk to an SVN repo that has no outside access
[14:45] <BigRedS> currently most of my stuff's on github
[14:45] <AlanBell> wonder if launchpad will support git one day
[14:46] <BigRedS> don't they keep releasing bzr propaganda?
[14:46] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I recently got gitlab working (open source version of github). It's very nice :)
[14:46] <BigRedS> oooh
[14:46]  * popey wonders if chrisccoulson knows the answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/162268/adding-x-scheme-handler-without-a-popup-in-firefox :D
[14:47] <popey> gitlab is nice!
[14:47] <popey> really, _really_ nice
[14:47] <bigcalm> BigRedS: happy to give you an account if you want to give it a try
[14:47] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I am interested
[14:47] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ok :)
[14:47] <BigRedS> bigcalm: it looks easy enough to install, I might just do that actually! :)
[14:48] <bigcalm> BigRedS: go for it :)
[14:48] <popey> it has the popey stamp of approval
[14:48] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:48] <popey> [APPROVED]
[14:48] <AlanBell> BigRedS: I have not seen any bzr stuff or documentation updates for a long time
[14:48] <BigRedS> Oh, I'm sure someone posted a "Here's why bzr is better than git" thing a few weeks back
[14:48] <bigcalm> AlanBell: pm me an email address you like to use for things :)
[14:49] <BigRedS> maybe not launchpad, just not sure who else that I follow would do that
[14:49] <BigRedS> either way, it gets asked for a _lot_; I've no idea how easily bzr and git can coexist on teh same repo
[14:49] <AlanBell> bigcalm: alanbell at ubuntu.com
[14:50] <bigcalm> AlanBell: user created. You should have been sent a welcome email. If not I'll give you login details here
[14:53] <bigcalm> Humm, I have a feeling that queues aren't being processed
[14:53] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have you had a welcome email yet?
[14:54] <AlanBell> bigcalm: nope
[14:54] <bigcalm> Ok, ta. I shall poke things
[14:54] <AlanBell> that address goes to gmail, it isn't there yet
[14:55] <bigcalm> Know anything about redis? I can see things in queues that aren't moving
[14:56] <BigRedS> I'm supposed to be installing it this afternoon
[14:56] <BigRedS> but that's all I know about it :)
[14:56] <bigcalm> Heh, more than me :D
[14:59] <bigcalm> Heh, stopping and starting gitlab kicked out 3 emails and 39 other jobs
[14:59] <bigcalm> AlanBell: yhm (I think)
[15:00] <bigcalm> Yikes
[15:01] <bigcalm> My gitlab home page looks quite different now :D
[15:01] <BigRedS> haha
[15:04] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, I have a mail, you might want to fix that homepage ;)
[15:05] <bigcalm> AlanBell: the login screen?
[15:07] <n1md4> BigRedS: You probably want to send me your irssirc :D
[15:09] <popey> AlanBell, wassup with the home page?
[15:10] <bigcalm> popey: drop the port number
[15:10] <popey> sweet!
[15:10] <bigcalm> Heh, no, not really
[15:10] <bigcalm> I need to do a redirect
[15:10] <BigRedS> n1md4: the pertinent line is ignores = ( { level = "JOINS PARTS QUITS"; } );
[15:14] <AlanBell> gitlab is rather nice
[15:15] <bigcalm> :)
[15:16] <bigcalm> AlanBell: feel free to make a project and use it as you want
[15:16] <bigcalm> In fact, I believe that the default is 10 projects per new account
[15:16] <bigcalm> AlanBell: go wild ;)
[15:20] <AlanBell> that is very very much like github
[15:20] <AlanBell> looks and works nice
[15:20]  * AlanBell wishes launchpad would look a bit more presentable
[15:20] <bigcalm> :)
[15:30] <popey> AlanBell, patches welcome ;)
[15:31] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:31] <bigcalm> Is LP in LP?
[15:31] <popey> bzr branch lp:launchpad
[15:31]  * popey assumes
[15:31] <AlanBell> launchpad is kinda big
[15:31] <popey> blame gmb
[15:32] <gmb> Blame Zope.
[15:32] <bigcalm> Zope on a rope?
[15:32] <gmb> If I had my way, yes.
[15:32] <bigcalm> :D
[15:32] <gmb> Sadly, six years of hysterical raisins means that we're stuck with the bugger.
[15:33] <gmb> But yes: bzr branch lp:launchpad is the ticket.
[15:33] <gmb> Better yet, https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting
[15:33] <AlanBell> so the stylesheet such as it is appears to be https://launchpad.net/+icing/rev15593/combo.css
[15:34] <AlanBell> and there is an inline style block on the homepage
[15:38]  * AlanBell wonders how long bzr branch lp:launchpad is going to take
[15:39] <popey> $TIME
[15:39] <AlanBell> and whether the css is actually in that
[15:39] <gord> heh, i think the only thing with a longer bzr history might be lp:bzr ;)
[15:39] <gord> you can use the web code browser thingy to see the contents right now though
[15:40] <AlanBell> yeah, I had a look round and couldn't find it
[15:40] <AlanBell> I dunno how to search using that
[15:41] <gord> from the url, +icing suggests that its generated
[15:41] <AlanBell> so instead I will get my laptop to give launchpad a kicking downloading launchpad then use grep
[15:41] <gord> +<name> is normally a python command
[15:41] <AlanBell> yeah, I figured the +icing meant something like that
[15:41] <AlanBell> just wonder if that is stored in a separate project
[15:52] <BigRedS> df -h
[15:53] <bigcalm> -su: df: command not found
[15:54] <AlanBell> /dev/irc       38TB    38TB  0B 100% /
[15:54] <bigcalm> IIRC, kvirc came with a terminal window. Most strange
[15:55] <AlanBell> we have filled up the inter<carrier lost>
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: psh, you have tiny internets
[15:55] <bigcalm> With just 38TB?
[15:56] <dogmatic69> any idea on how to fix up smb permission problems
[15:56] <AlanBell> wonder if df knows about exabytes
[15:57] <BigRedS> my df still does stupid linebreaks :(
[15:57] <BigRedS> and I've still not got the hang of terminator :)
[15:58] <bigcalm> 2 hours until I head off to the LUG. 2.5 hours until I get some yummy surf and turf
[15:58] <bigcalm> That's odd, where's davmor2?
[15:58] <bigcalm> I wonder if he'll turn up tonight
[16:03] <bigcalm> gord: did you see I made you a new video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7biXXMkek - 24 hours worth in 5m37s
[16:04] <gord> fantastic :P
[16:04] <bigcalm> Dawn is at about 1:25
[16:05] <bigcalm> But the real fun starts at about 4:00
[16:07] <bigcalm> Today's sky has been more interesting. So the video I make tomorrow shall be too :D
[16:22] <AlanBell> ali1234: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-960-000767-C920-HD-Webcam/dp/B006A2Q81M/ref=pd_sim_computers_1 is this the camera I need to get?
[16:23] <ali1234> ah, good question
[16:23] <ali1234> i've read some people complaining that the C920 is not as good as the C910
[16:23] <ali1234> they are still both very good though
[16:24] <AlanBell> 920 has a tripod mount which sounds useful
[16:24] <ali1234> ah... that would be useful
[16:24] <ali1234> actually i think the C910 has it too
[16:25] <ali1234> maybe not... not sure what i'm looking for
[16:26] <AlanBell> threaded hole in the bottom, about 5mm across and 5mm deep
[16:27] <ali1234> guess not then
[16:28] <AlanBell> yeah, screw mount only on the 920
[16:29] <ali1234> there's some removable panel on the 910 which seems to have no purpose. could probably made an adapter for that
[16:30] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mwafEL724 someone did a video comparison and she glued on a tripod mount to the 910
[16:30] <AlanBell> the 920 has onboard H264 encoding somehow apparently
[16:30] <bigcalm> Benefit	Left until your next bill
[16:30] <bigcalm> Unlimited T-Mobile Calls
[16:30] <bigcalm> 9999999 null
[16:30] <bigcalm> Oops
[16:31] <ali1234> yeah the 910 has MJPEG
[16:31] <ali1234> i'd say get the 920
[16:32] <bigcalm> Cor, MMS cost me 25p each. I'll stick to emailing from my phone I think
[16:34] <AlanBell> I just bought: 'Logitech C920 HD Webcam' by Logitech
[16:36] <bigcalm> Do people really need to say 'real' ale any more?
[16:39] <directhex> bigcalm, as long as newcastle brown has "ale" in the name, yes.
[16:40] <bigcalm> directhex: I mean, are people still making a fuss about 'real ales' rather than just having local ales on tap?
[16:41] <bigcalm> What's the difference between a real ale and ale?
[16:41] <bigcalm> Ah, 2nd fermentation
[16:42] <Laney> real ale is a term defined by camra
[16:44] <dogmatic69> anyone want to take a stab at http://serverfault.com/questions/406834/rsync-permission-errors-on-smbfs-share
[16:45]  * bigcalm nods to Laney
[16:45]  * Laney raises a glass to bigcalm
[16:45] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you not a fan of "fake ale"?
[16:45] <bigcalm> Laney: does it have a handle?
[16:46] <Laney> i only have half pint glasses with handles :(
[16:46] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I like IPAs mostly, they don't tend to be fake. There are a few great breweries around here. Shropshire Gold is my favourite when I can get it
[16:47]  * dogmatic69 is not an ale fan
[16:47] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/view/head:/lib/canonical/launchpad/icing/css/layout.css love the comment at the start of that file
[16:48] <BigRedS> haha
[17:03] <dogmatic69> Time to install girlfriendbuntu
[17:05] <bigcalm> Yikes, it's gone 6pm!
[17:11] <GhstWlf> Hello people, Where can I find eth0, tap0 etc. in ubuntu 12.04?
[17:11] <brobostigon> GhstWlf: in /dev
[17:12] <GhstWlf> brobostigon, no, it is not there
[17:13] <brobostigon> GhstWlf: does said network device show in ifconfig/iwconfig ?
[17:13] <GhstWlf> yes
[17:13] <brobostigon> it will be in /dev then.
[17:17] <directhex> most network devices don't show in /dev/net
[17:17] <brobostigon> they should show in /dev/*0 etc.
[17:18] <brobostigon> like /dev/eth0
[17:18] <directhex> there's some existential entries in /sys/class/net/
[17:18] <brobostigon> ah,
[17:21] <GhstWlf> I find them in /sys/class/net/
[18:04] <dogmatic69> Is there a safe way of running snmp over public ip's
[18:06] <dwatkins> ssh tunnels? ;)
[18:06] <dogmatic69> hmm
[18:06] <dogmatic69> never done them before
[18:07] <dogmatic69> can the tunnel be setup from either end?
[18:11] <Myrtti> ho hum.
[18:11] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: any clues? :)
[18:12] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: if you can ssh from one machine to the other, you can tunnel traffic along that connection
[18:12] <dwatkins> I don't know anything about snmp, but that's what I do with VNC.
[18:12] <dogmatic69> I am sure the principal is the same no matter the data / application
[18:13] <dogmatic69> basically snmp is server -> request -> client -> response -> server
[18:13] <dogmatic69> request is "whats your cpu usage"
[18:13] <popey> dogmatic69, http://www.morch.com/2011/07/05/forwarding-snmp-ports-over-ssh-using-socat/
[18:27] <ali1234> tl;dr snmp is udp, socat converts it to tcp so you can forward it through ssh
[18:29] <ali1234> also, i always wondered why everything in linux is a file, except for eth0 etc
[18:32] <GhstWlf> ali1234, I think that the original idea of unix is that everything is a file in a keep-it-simple-stupid
[18:33] <ali1234> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/23199/why-are-network-interfaces-not-in-dev-like-other-devices
[18:33] <GhstWlf> ali1234, plan9 and inferno keeps everything as a file.
[19:34] <MikeA> Printer sorted - restarted and it seems to have worked fine....do'h, why didnt I try that in the first instance!  Thanks for the assistance, as ever, this is a wonderful place full of wonderful people :)
[19:44] <bigcalm_laptop> Good evening from the LUG
[19:47] <AlanBell> hello bigcalm_laptop and the lug people
[19:48] <bigcalm_laptop> o/
[19:48]  * bigcalm_laptop waves with a pint
[19:48] <Azelphur> luggers are invading, take cover :p
[19:48] <bigcalm_laptop> Well, it might just be me
[19:48] <bigcalm_laptop> Any other Wolves LUG peeps in here?
[19:49] <Azelphur> I'm having a quick bash at making my own ksplice patches to see if I can do rebootless updates
[19:50] <ali1234> rebootless updates are so last year
[19:51] <bigcalm_laptop> gord: are you in Wolves tomorrow?
[19:51] <ali1234> it's all about the forced reboot updates now
[19:51] <Azelphur> ali1234: yet nobody seems to be able to do it any more
[19:51] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[20:00] <ali1234> hmm, i might have made the AI unbeatable
[20:00] <ali1234> except that it has one tiny flaw
[20:00] <Azelphur> don't build skynet please
[20:00] <ali1234> it doesn't understand when it is driving in the wrong direction
[20:00] <Azelphur> I want to live
[20:00] <Azelphur> haha
[20:01] <ali1234> AI does the course in 32 second
[20:01] <ali1234> i can do it in 30 seconds at most
[20:02] <ali1234> or least rather
[20:03] <ali1234> oh yeah and the AI isn't even driving at full speed. it is limited to 90% of maximum acceleration
[20:03] <ali1234> :/
[20:04] <ali1234> gah, one of the AI just beat the record. 31.5 seconds
[20:44] <gord> bigcalm_laptop: doesn't look like it
[22:04] <dogmatic69> lol
[22:46] <Azelphur> anyone know how I would take colors that are near black (dark grey, etc) and make them black, in gimp?
[22:46] <ali1234> levels tool
[22:47] <Azelphur> ty *looks at it*
[22:47] <ali1234> colours->levels
[22:47] <ali1234> actually it depends what you really want to do
[22:47] <ali1234> if you want to adjust the whole image relatively then use levels
[22:48] <Azelphur> nah I don't want to adjust the whole image relatively
[22:48] <ali1234> you probably do actually
[22:48] <Azelphur> I literally want to do what I said, dark greys / whites to absolute black
[22:48] <ali1234> if you adjust only the dark ones, well, there's a more or less continuous spectrum
[22:48] <ali1234> you'll get a step
[22:48] <Azelphur> o.O
[22:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/July/duo.png
[22:49] <Azelphur> I want to take the white dusty stuff out of the touch pad for example
[22:49] <ali1234> you want levels for that
[22:50] <Azelphur> ok
[22:50] <ali1234> open levels tool and you see the histrogram (graph thing on top)
[22:50] <ali1234> at the bottom there's three ^'s
[22:50] <ali1234> drag the leftmost one towards the middle
[22:50] <ali1234> then move the middle one to the left
[22:51] <ali1234> you can see that the image is mostly black from the histogram
[22:51] <Azelphur> cool, ty :)
[22:51] <ali1234> they the shorter bars are the greys
[22:51] <ali1234> they there's another bump at the right, which is the white pixels
[22:53] <Azelphur> fun
[22:53] <ali1234> really levels tool is the only thing you need
[22:53] <ali1234> brightness/contrast controls are just a simplified levels control
[22:54] <ali1234> you can do a lot with only levels and gaussian blur, such as the wallpaper i posted on g+ the other day
[22:55] <ali1234> it's all i ever really use :)
[22:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: link to your wallpaper? :P
[22:56] <ali1234> http://ubuntuone.com/6fnkvaIECMLwRGWFT6ZkPy
[22:57] <Azelphur> fun
[22:57] <ali1234> here's a less loud version: http://ubuntuone.com/6fnkvaIECMLwRGWFT6ZkPy
[22:58] <Azelphur> that's the same lnk
[22:58] <Azelphur> link*
[22:58] <ali1234> http://ubuntuone.com/6xDC2MoZ2CRmlh6I6uybPa
[22:59] <Azelphur> seems to be 404
[22:59] <ali1234> U1 must have melted again
[22:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:59] <ali1234> maybe it's still uploading
[23:00] <ali1234> original image: http://ubuntuone.com/7MhYrxLTXiqz67D7gJwB2L
[23:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:02] <ali1234> yep, U1 has messed up
[23:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Thunderbird and Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/11/thunderbird-and-ubuntu/
[23:03] <ali1234> thunderbird suuuuuuuucks
[23:04] <ali1234> the UI is fugly
[23:04] <ali1234> it has it's own non-standard notification system
[23:04] <Azelphur> :p
[23:04] <ali1234> it's slow like everything mozilla makes
[23:05] <ali1234> and it can't handle my gmail imap account
[23:05] <ali1234> nor can it do sensible threading
[23:07] <Azelphur> thunderbird handles my google imap accounts
[23:09] <ali1234> i'm subscribed to many high volume mailing lists
[23:09] <ali1234> i have folders with 10k unread emails in them
[23:10] <Azelphur> me too, my lists account has 12,609 unread emails.
[23:16] <Azelphur> ali1234: suggestions for turning the whole thing blueish?
[23:16] <Azelphur> I'm aiming at this http://blog.brixandersen.dk/wp-content/uploads/conky.png :p
[23:16] <ali1234> varios
[23:16] <ali1234> ok
[23:16] <ali1234> go in to levels
[23:16] <ali1234> select channel red
[23:16] <ali1234> outputlevel to zero
[23:17] <ali1234> select channel green
[23:17] <ali1234> max output level to 0.5
[23:17] <ali1234> that's the bottom slider
[23:17] <Monotoko> I may have just witnessed the birth of another universe
[23:17] <ali1234> it has two ^
[23:17] <Monotoko> $explosion->very_big_bang($matter, $antimatter);
[23:17] <Monotoko> genuinly in this code base
[23:17] <Monotoko> can't figure out what it does D:
[23:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: fun, ty :)
[23:27] <ali1234> azelphur: http://newcars-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/gtr-carbon-sport-cars_0100.jpg
[23:27] <ali1234> -> http://imagebin.org/220410
[23:28] <Azelphur> nice :)
[23:29] <ali1234> how you do it: open source image, duplicate layer so you have two identical copies. go to the top one, invert it, gaussian blu radius 20, in the lay window select "soft light" blending mode
[23:30] <ali1234> this brings out the details of the image
[23:30] <ali1234> then you merge down and do filters->edge->difference of gaussians with 1: 1.0 and 2: 5.0
[23:30] <Azelphur> I did it slightly differently but got similar results xD
[23:31] <ali1234> oh i forgot to say duplicate the layers again
[23:31] <ali1234> ccos then you go back to the original and desaturate it, and subtract the line image you just made from it
[23:32] <ali1234> and ramp the levels way up on the original so it's almost completely white
[23:32] <ali1234> then you merge down again and invert, and play with the colour balance until you are happy
[23:33] <Azelphur> \o/
[23:35] <ali1234> i just wish gimp had adjustment layers
[23:49] <Azelphur> hehe


[12:11] <infinity> wookey: You know how I keep pointing out that multiarch-enabled buildds should be considered harmful for native builds, but I can never come up with a failure scenario to prove the point?
[12:11] <infinity> wookey: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/134148682/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.libvrui2.6-collaboration_2.4-1~oneiric_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:12] <infinity> wookey: That pretty much sums it up.
[12:12] <infinity> wookey: Arch skew there means he's stuck installing the i386 version of the build-dep and, since it's a build-dep on itself, there's no way out of it (cause the only way to fix the skew is to build the package that can't build)
[12:13] <infinity> wookey: Anyhow, fixing this by tearing multiarch out of that chroot, like I did for precise and beyond (not sure how I missed oneiric), but that seems to prove my point nicely.
[17:46] <mjrosenb> hey, I want to cross-compile iceweasel, but |apt-get build-dep iceweasel:armhf| gives me: E: Unable to find a source package for iceweasel:armhf
[17:47] <ogra_> mjrosenb, on debian ?
[17:47] <ogra_> i dont think ubuntu ever had an iceweasle package
[17:47] <mjrosenb> oh hey, this is #ubuntu-arm, not #debian-arm
[17:47] <ogra_> :)
[17:47] <mjrosenb> but, question still stands, since they are basically indistinguishable from apt's prespective.
[17:48] <XorA> hrw: where does chromium-mali-opengles come from?
[17:48] <mjrosenb> i'll attempt to reason it away by saying "i'm going to be running this on crubuntu/arm :-p"
[17:58] <XorA> ok, I have ssh running on my chromebook, not a particularly good demo ;-)
[18:00]  * ogra_ has unity running :)
[18:00] <ogra_> not so pleasant though :)
[18:01] <XorA> ogra_: how do I get X11 running, that would be a good start?
[18:02] <ogra_> i just installed the armsoc xerver package
[18:02] <ogra_> and then copied the EGL libs over
[18:02] <ogra_> from the chromeos partition
[18:02] <XorA> ah hrw guide references a non existent chromium-mali-opengles package
[18:03] <XorA> I have armsoc installed
[18:03] <ogra_> hmm, then X should start unaccelerated at least
[18:03] <XorA> I just get a dead Xorg process, probably started by lightdm
[18:03] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5617221/
[18:04] <ogra_> my xorg.conf
[18:04] <ogra_> see if that helps
[18:04] <XorA> trying
[18:05] <ogra_> i thought hrw had included a config snippet in the last package
[18:05] <XorA> ahah that fixed it
[18:05] <ogra_> i have never touched my setup after i had it working
[18:05] <XorA> i see mouse cursor
[18:05] <ogra_> yay
[18:06] <XorA> thanks ogra_
[18:07] <ogra_> :)
[18:10] <XorA> how do I copy those magic libs then?
[18:11] <ogra_> sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0p7 /mnt/
[18:12] <ogra_> then search for libGLES
[18:13] <ogra_> iirc p7 is chromeos
[18:14] <XorA> hmm, that has made system unhappy
[18:15] <ogra_> weird
[18:16] <XorA> total lockup on that process
[18:16] <XorA> very odd
[18:16] <ogra_> probably i'm wrong wrt the partition
[18:16] <ogra_> but it doesnt make my device choke
[18:17] <XorA> getting nearer anyway :-D
[18:42] <XorA> that mount command deffo makes things unhappy
[18:43] <ogra_> hmm, bad
[18:43] <ogra_> my install is based on the very first chrubuntu script ... might be quite different to what you have
[18:43] <ogra_> i bought my chromebook the first week they cam eout
[18:45] <XorA> I have chrbuntu 12.04 + hrws guide on upgrading, + fixes because that guide is wrong
[18:45] <ogra_> yeah, there was no such guide back then :)
[18:46] <XorA> guide is wrong enough to be a hinderance :-(
[18:47] <ogra_> i used the chrubuntu script (the one which silly downloads the whole rootfs in 50M tarballs)
[18:47] <ogra_> changed my sources.list to raring and dist upgraded
[18:48] <XorA> well I just went into chromeos and copied the *GL* to ubuntu that way
[18:48] <ogra_> and then slowly moved useful chromeos pieces over over time
[18:48] <ogra_> like GLES stuff, flash etc
[18:52] <XorA> at least I have a desktop now
[18:52] <XorA> seem to be missing any test consoles though
[18:53] <XorA> oh actually that will be because changing console crashes X
[19:24] <hrw> there are many things wrong with chromebook
[19:24] <ogra_> everything is fine here on mine
[19:25] <ogra_> at least for what i use it
[19:26] <XorA> hrw: many typos in your guide
[19:26] <XorA> hrw: and a non existant package
[19:27] <ogra_> better than a non existant typo ... hmm, no, not really
[19:28] <hrw> XorA: opengles pacakge got removed due to lack of any useful licence for it
[19:29] <XorA> ppa:chromebook-ppa should be ppa:chromebook-arm/ppa
[19:30] <XorA> hrw: ah, some of the typos are not typos, they are wordpress messing up formatting
[19:31] <XorA> /dev/mmcblk1p1 should bo /dev/mmcblk1p6
[19:35] <hrw> ok, will fix some
[19:35] <hrw> now have to go
[19:45] <prpplague> hey folks, just fyi if you were a linuxdevices.com fan, a new embedded linux news site is up now as a replacement http://www.linuxgizmos.com
[19:45] <ogra_> why did you have to rename ?
[19:46] <prpplague> ogra_: linuxdevices.com was purchased as part of a sale from ziff-davis
[19:46] <prpplague> ogra_: the new owners weren't interested in running the site
[19:46] <prpplague> ogra_: so the original founder of linuxdevices.com has started a new site
[19:46] <ogra_> ah, they wanted to keep the domain but not do anything with it ?
[19:47] <XorA> ogra_: which kernel do you use?
[19:48] <ogra_> XorA, the installed one that was on the device
[19:48] <ogra_> i dont think the chrubuntu script updated it
[19:48] <ogra_> just changed the default rootfs
[19:48] <XorA> ogra_: hmm, Ill give that a try then, the one I installed from cromebook ppa seems rather broken
[20:10] <hrw> XorA: fixed partition number and ppa name
[21:43] <XorA> hrw: thats it for the typos then, the thing I thought was typo was wordpress hyphenating words :-D
[21:43] <hrw> '_~)
[21:43] <XorA> hrw: but if you copy n paste that big command the extra hyphens are not htere
[21:44] <hrw> "vbutil_kernel --pack /tmp/kernel-to-boot-ubuntu --keyblock /usr/share/vboot/devkeys/kernel.keyblock --version 1 --signprivate /usr/share/vboot/devkeys/kernel_data_key.vbprivk --config CMDLINE_FILE --vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.0-5-chromebook --arch arm" one you mean?
[21:44] <hrw> copied from http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2013/02/16/how-to-update-chrubuntu-12-04-to-ubuntu-13-04/
[21:44] <XorA> hrw: yeah, on screen it says --key-block
[21:44] <hrw> ah.
[21:45] <hrw> anyway - I never wrote good installation howto
[21:45] <XorA> which messed with my head :-D
[21:46] <XorA> hrw: now I know which is happening I can do an internal install now :-D
[21:49] <hrw> :)
[21:50] <hrw> XorA: there is one thing I regret from HK trip.
[21:50] <hrw> XorA: I should waste some money on one of those chinese tablets.
[21:51] <hrw> my omap4430 based archos g9 drives me mad... it is crazy how slow dual a9 can be ;D
[21:55]  * hrw -> sleep