[12:37] <AlanBell> mhall119: cjohnston: I have set up and registered all the channels, sorting out the bot for them now
[12:40] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ty
[16:50] <cjohnston> steveedwards: ping
[16:50] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hey.
[16:51] <cjohnston> steveedwards: any update on the uds.chrisjohnston.org stuff?
[16:51] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Sorry, we've not had a chance to do anything beyond the design.
[16:52] <steveedwards> cjohnston: I'll try and write some CSS for it tomorrow.
[16:52] <cjohnston> steveedwards: ok.. if not, I doubt it will make it in
[16:52] <cjohnston> It's for Monday.. heh
[16:53] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Okay, I'll do it tomorrow and drop you an email.
[16:54] <cjohnston> ty
[16:54] <steveedwards> cjohnston: No sweat.
[16:55] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Are you in Oakland already?
[16:55] <cjohnston> no
[16:55] <cjohnston> :-/
[16:56] <steveedwards> cjohnston: :(
[17:17] <daker> cjohnston, mhall119 the daily is confusing :/
[17:17] <cjohnston> daker: ?
[17:18] <cjohnston> the agenda?
[17:18] <daker> i have found that i am attending 2 sessions at the same time
[17:18] <cjohnston> daker: thats the way that it works
[17:18] <cjohnston> that happens to everyone
[17:19] <daker> cjohnston, for you too
[17:19] <daker> you are attending http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20320/leadership-summit/
[17:19] <daker> and http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20557/community-q-docteam/
[17:20] <daker> and they will happen at the same time
[17:20] <cjohnston> yup
[17:20] <cjohnston> unless you are essential at the meeting, you may be scheduled like that
[17:20] <cjohnston> and I'm not essential to either
[17:32] <AlanBell> cjohnston: mhall119 the bot is now in all the relevant channels
[17:32] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/964790/
[17:33] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ty
[22:00] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ping
[22:01] <AlanBell> hi
[22:01] <cjohnston> AlanBell: iirc you had a list of stuff that should be done to make sure fragria is happy for next week..
[22:01] <cjohnston> do you rmember that?
[22:01] <AlanBell> who?
[22:02] <AlanBell> is that a person or a server?
[22:02] <cjohnston> server
[22:02] <cjohnston> that etherpad/summit is on
[22:02] <AlanBell> oh ok :)
[22:03] <AlanBell> um, restarting etherpad might be an idea, it crashed on day 1 last time then was happy for the week
[22:03] <AlanBell> I suspect a slow memory leak
[22:03] <AlanBell> I have some experimental etherpad-lite integration to show you at UDS, but it is a bit, experimental
[22:04] <cjohnston> AlanBell: I think you sent the RT prior to the last UDS to get this stuff done?
[22:05] <cjohnston> mhall119: new summit is released
[22:05] <AlanBell> yeah, I can do that again
[22:05] <cjohnston> AlanBell: please
[22:05] <cjohnston> :-)
[22:06] <AlanBell> cjohnston: I think the RT was ignored for 3 months and then closed as it didn't matter any more :(
[22:06] <cjohnston> AlanBell: I'll get it taken care of this time
[22:07] <AlanBell> I can raise the ticket and give you the number?
[22:07] <cjohnston> AlanBell: sounds great
[22:12] <AlanBell> Ticket 19687
[22:13] <cjohnston> thanks
[23:01] <mhall119> cjohnston: it looks great, thanks for all the work


[14:41] <l0tuspsychj3> aaronprisk[m]: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community/33115 looks a lot like community support https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/community-support/709?_ga=2.244686405.1992802644.1674059069-133599920.1635007754
[14:41] <l0tuspsychj3> is that gonna replace it ?
[14:57] <aaronprisk[m]> Yeah, there are quite a few redundant pages to work through. Some will be removed entirely and some will be reworked in the new hierarchy.
[15:00] <l0tuspsychj3> aaronprisk[m]: im trying to connect all the dots with my wishlist, take a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/1988847
[15:01] <l0tuspsychj3> would be cool if a user linked to https://ubuntu.com/support/community-support would be able to click 'including irc channels' be forwarded to the channel list right away
[15:05] <aaronprisk[m]> Agreed. There are a lot of jumps just to get to the actual channel listing. I'll prioritize the Community Support topics next. Once I have a draft, I'll share it with you so you can provide feedback.
[15:05] <l0tuspsychj3> ok tnx aaronprisk[m]


[01:56]  * tsimonq2 facepalms
[01:56] <tsimonq2> h00k: what happened?
[02:42] <h00k> tsimonq2: someone joined and spammed junk, then left
[02:55] <tsimonq2> wow
[02:55] <tsimonq2> h00k: so were you gonna transfer contact position to me, or what?
[12:51] <tsimonq2> h00k: we forgot the IRC logs link, and I changed it from Tuesday to Today
[12:52] <tsimonq2> h00k: (the topic, that is)
[13:18] <h00k> tsimonq2: sweet action
[13:18] <h00k> tsimonq2: good call on both
[14:33] <tsimonq2> h00k: and you will be there, right?
[14:38] <tsimonq2> h00k: and regardless, can you manage the meetingology bot, because although I have the command list, I am not comfortable using it yet. And being and IRC op, I am assuuming you have


[04:22] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[06:47] <jibel> good morning
[06:55] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[06:55] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:56] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti!
[06:56] <didrocks> pitti: not sure if Arte is broadcasting the same program at the same hour. Yesterday, there were an interesting show on Google books
[06:56] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks ! Ça va bien et toi ?
[06:57] <didrocks> jibel: ça va :)
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: nous n'avons pas un TV :)
[06:57] <didrocks> pitti: you can watch Arte online :)
[06:57] <pitti> oui
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: we just returned from Dresden yesterday, though
[06:58] <didrocks> oh? how was it? did you enjoy those days off?
[06:58] <pitti> didrocks: indeed I did, thanks! some days to meet family and friends again
[06:59] <didrocks> great :-)
[06:59] <pitti> quelques jours pour recontrer nous amis et famille
[06:59] <pitti> s/nous/nos/
[06:59] <didrocks> il a fait beau? vous avez bien pu en profiter?
[07:00] <pitti> didrocks: oui, mais il était très froid, et il a beaucoup neigé
[07:01] <mlankhorst> bonjour!
[07:01] <pitti> ça va mlankhorst
[07:02] <didrocks> pitti: argh :( ici, c'est un temps de printemps
[07:02] <didrocks> hey mlankhorst
[07:03] <pitti> didrocks: pas encore là
[07:04] <mlankhorst> ça va?
[07:04] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi? :)
[07:05] <mlankhorst> ca va:/
[07:45] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:45] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment ça va ?
[07:46] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va bien, et toi ? ton w.e de paques était bon ?
[07:47] <pitti> seb128: oui, il était bien, mais il faisait très froid
[07:47] <seb128> j'ai vu ta photo de bonhomme de neige sur g+
[07:47] <seb128> ici aussi il fait encore froid :-(
[07:47] <pitti> :)
[07:48] <pitti> seb128: "photo" est feminine ?
[07:48] <seb128> oui
[07:51] <jibel> pitti, "photo" est féminin ;)
[07:52] <seb128> salut jibel, ca va ?
[07:52] <pitti> car "féminin" est masculin :)
[07:52] <jibel> Salut seb128 , ça va bien et et toi ?
[07:52] <seb128> nickel ;-)
[08:06] <didrocks> (grand soleil à Lyon, c'est le printemps, venez, venez! ;))
[08:35] <xclaesse> seb128, desrt: FYI it is that commit that break tp-glib unit tests: https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=f91ef4ef15d220f6899c97aaf5b1c0a8f68cfe9a
[08:35] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, thanks
[08:36] <xclaesse> it seems intentional, so I guess it is tp-glib that should be updated accordinately, but I'm not an unicode guru
[08:36] <seb128> xclaesse, right, seems similar to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694669#c3
[08:36] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 694669 in general "consider unicode corrigendum #9" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[08:37] <xclaesse> seb128, aahhh
[08:37] <xclaesse> seb128, our test is a copy/paste of glib's
[08:38] <xclaesse> I'll just copy they patch then
[08:39] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[08:39] <seb128> I'm surprised nobody noticed/did something until now
[09:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:43] <czajkowski> I've been doing a raring update for the last 20 mins and it seems to have stopped mid way and wont budge, anyone seen/heard of this in the last few hours?
[09:53] <ogra_> czajkowski, hanging at unpacking or configuring the kernel ?
[09:59] <czajkowski> ogra_: says preconfiguring  packages....
[10:00] <ogra_> hmm, then its something different
[10:00] <czajkowski> bugger
[10:00] <ogra_> checked the terminal log ?
[10:00] <czajkowski> ogra_: thats what I see in the terminal log
[10:01] <czajkowski> ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/45FaItkRRfnFzcTKq8RTa1
[10:01] <ogra_> ha, and i see myself in the background !
[10:02] <ogra_> :)
[10:02] <ogra_> probably the apt log has something in /var/log ....
[10:02] <czajkowski> was the safest irc channel to copy and show :)
[10:03] <czajkowski> paranodi if I shut down now I wont have a resuming laptop
[10:03] <davmor2> seb128: Good news with cjwatsons apt in place update-manager is now working again :)
[10:47] <xclaesse> seb128, tp-glib 0.20.2 released with unit test passing ;)
[10:49] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[10:56] <czajkowski> ogra_: any ideas how I get past http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5673254/
[10:57] <ogra_> kill the already running apt
[10:57] <seb128> czajkowski, that seems like the aptdaemon bug cjwatson fixed yesterday
[10:58] <czajkowski> I'm sure I already killed it stabbed it
[10:58] <seb128> czajkowski, kill any running dpkg process
[10:58] <seb128> czajkowski, ps ax | grep dpkg
[10:58] <czajkowski> oh more to kill cheers
[10:59] <seb128> czajkowski, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon?
[10:59] <seb128> czajkowski, just checking what version you have
[10:59] <popey> 1.0.0ubuntu9 here
[10:59] <popey> and I killed stuff
[10:59] <seb128> that's the fixed version
[10:59] <seb128> when did it get installed?
[11:00] <seb128> and did you reboot your system since that time?
[11:00] <czajkowski> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5673263/
[11:00] <popey> 5 mins ago
[11:00] <popey> not rebooted since
[11:00] <popey> i.e. after I killed and then dpkg --configure -a'ed
[11:00] <seb128> ok
[11:01] <seb128> so I guess you didn't have the fixed version running
[11:01] <seb128> czajkowski, dpkg -l | grep aptdaemon
[11:01] <popey> i didnt have the fixed version installed
[11:01] <seb128> ok, good
[11:01] <seb128> popey, thanks
[11:01] <seb128> czajkowski, in any case kill those dpkg processes, install the new aptdaemon and then you can enjoy using update-manager again
[11:01] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673266/
[11:01] <czajkowski> seb128: cheers
[11:02] <seb128> k, you just got the updated version, so yeah, same bug
[11:02] <seb128> thanks for confirming ;-)
[11:03] <davmor2> seb128, popey, czajkowski: I have the fixed version install from yesterday but had to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to install it, My machine has been rebooted since then and todays updates have gone in no issues.
[11:03] <seb128> good
[11:03] <seb128> well, good for the "no issues"
[11:06] <AlanBell> hi, I have a missing background and icons in raring, fully updated with the ubuntu-desktop^ task installed
[11:06] <AlanBell> right click gives me a menu, I can choose background but all I get is this white (actually light grey) background
[11:07] <seb128> AlanBell, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons ?
[11:07] <AlanBell> ah actually the icons are there, they were offscreen or something, just arranged by name and they are all there
[11:07] <seb128> ok
[11:07] <seb128> ignore that question then ;-)
[11:07] <AlanBell> but on a grey background
[11:08] <AlanBell> it does this in a guest session too
[11:13] <seb128> weird
[11:13] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep nautilus?
[11:13] <seb128> is that the archive version or a ppa one?
[11:13] <seb128> does it work if you pick another wallpaper?
[11:14] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673288/
[11:15] <AlanBell> no, doesn't work with other wallpapers or plain colours, always the same grey
[11:21] <AlanBell> if I kill the nautilus -n that is running then the desktop goes black
[11:21] <AlanBell> run nautilus again and it goes grey
[11:24] <popey> looks like you're running nautilus from the gnome team ppa
[11:24] <AlanBell> oh
[11:24] <popey> version string matches https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[11:24] <AlanBell> I probably am
[11:24] <AlanBell> thought that was just gnome shell stuff
[11:38] <seb128> AlanBell, that's your issue then, broken ppa version ;-)
[11:50] <AlanBell> so it seems
[11:53] <ricotz> AlanBell, you can re-enable the background plugin of gnome-settings-daemon
[12:10] <AlanBell> ricotz: is that in gconf-editor somewhere?
[12:10] <AlanBell> or dconf-editor?
[12:15] <ricotz> yes, in dconf -- org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background
[13:01] <AlanBell> ok, I will log out and back in later and see if that worked
[15:15] <popey> seb128: got another machine with the aptdaemon issue, you dont want/need any info from it do you?
[15:15] <popey>   Installed: 1.0-0ubuntu8
[15:15] <popey>   Candidate: 1.0-0ubuntu9
[16:03] <tkamppeter> larsu, hi
[16:18] <seb128> popey, thanks, I just wanted to confirm that you were not seing the issue still on a machine with 0ubuntu9 installed (and in use)
[16:18] <popey> seb128: ok, will update then
[16:23] <desrt> pitti: this dia crasher.... weren't you going to upload a patched package?
[16:23] <desrt> i see reports that there is still the crash in raring
[16:46] <seb128> desrt, hey, do you have an agenda for the fdo summit? can I add something to discuss on your list? ;-)
[16:54] <desrt> seb128: we do
[16:54] <desrt> what do you want discussed?
[16:56] <seb128> desrt, accountsservices
[16:56] <seb128> 1- if other desktops plan to use it
[16:56] <desrt> interesting
[16:56] <seb128> 2- if the GNOME guys are wanting to make it a real freedesktop project
[16:56] <seb128> it's on fdo but they are letting patches that don't benefit gnome-shell sit there or refuse to add features they don't need
[16:57] <desrt> ya.... that's a bit suspicious
[16:57] <desrt> particularly if other people are coming with patches
[16:57] <seb128> like we have patches to get the user keyboard locale and backport stored along the other infos there, mterry upstreamed them
[16:57] <seb128> ups
[16:57] <seb128> backport->background
[16:57] <seb128> (autofingers)
[16:57] <desrt> who is the main upstream contact for that these days?  ray?
[16:57] <seb128> yes
[16:57] <desrt> it's a bit of a meaningless conversation if he's not there :p
[16:58] <seb128> well, it would be good to see if other desktops are wanting to use it
[16:58] <seb128> that's an useful piece of infra
[16:58] <mterry> seb128, I threw them upstream, but I don't recall much interest
[16:58] <seb128> mterry, right, which is sort of my point ... if we can't get patches upstream and nobody out of GNOME is using it, it's becoming a GNOME tech
[16:59] <seb128> mterry, I'm trying to evaluate if we should keep it in our stack
[16:59] <seb128> it would be good, but not if it ends up being a "you need to maintain a fork because upstream doesn't want to include features they don't need"
[17:00]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:32] <seb128> xclaesse, do you think you would have any time to review https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697197 from Trevinho this week? ;-) he would like us to distro patch that to empathy for raring to fix focus issues in unity
[17:32] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 697197 in General "Empathy ignores the platform-data when activated" [Major,Assigned]
[17:32] <seb128> xclaesse, I would prefer an upstream review before distro patching it ;-)
[17:38] <seb128> mterry, did you upstream your accountsservices patches for 0012-add-keyboard-layout-support.patch
[17:38] <seb128> ?
[17:39] <mterry> seb128, I don't recall offhand
[17:39] <mterry> seb128, let me see if I can find the bug in their bugzilla
[17:40] <seb128> mterry, I found the one about the background, you didn't add the patch but they never replied either about whether they would be wanting to do that
[17:41] <mterry> seb128, looks like no.  I think I was waiting for their preferred approach for the background patch
[17:43] <seb128> mterry, ok, can you add it?
[17:44] <mterry> seb128, sure.  Do I have any other similar patches to accountsservice?
[17:44] <mterry> (while you're there)
[17:45] <mterry> seb128, ah, has-message
[17:45] <mterry> seb128, but that's maybe not something upstream cares about
[17:46] <seb128> mterry, layouts
[17:46] <seb128> mterry, but desrt is talking to them about adding a generic key/value storage
[17:46] <mterry> seb128, that's 0012-add-keyboard-layout-support.patch right?
[17:46] <seb128> mterry, yes
[17:47] <desrt> i already designed it
[17:47] <desrt> it's going to be awesome
[17:47] <mterry> desrt, oh really?  that would be useful, yeah
[17:47] <desrt> the problem with key/value is that people can store too much junk there
[17:47] <desrt> like, unprivileged apps can put anything
[17:47] <mterry> desrt, you mean the problem is that people would use it?  :)
[17:47] <desrt> so we probably want schemas to be installed by the apps that would consume the data
[17:47] <mterry> I know what you mean though
[17:47] <desrt> ie: lightdm wants to read background, so it would put a file for background there
[17:48] <desrt> and we reject any attempts to write data that doesn't have a registered consumer
[17:48] <desrt> i figure that the appropriate response to dealing with writes to invalid keys is to do a kernel panic
[17:48] <desrt> since it's a system-level service and all
[17:48] <mterry> desrt, this sounds like dconf with a special database path
[17:48] <desrt> mterry: well... it's per-user, but outside of the user's homedir
[17:49] <desrt> so it's neither system-level dconf nor user-level dconf
[17:49] <mterry> desrt, yeah we can't just drop in dconf and fix it, but it sounds pretty similar
[17:49] <desrt> well... it's a way to store preferences, in the end
[17:50] <desrt> so ya
[17:50] <mterry> but also the abililty for apps to register schemas etc
[17:50] <desrt> ya
[17:50] <desrt> you have me thinking now.....
[17:51] <mterry> desrt, +1 on kernel panic btw
[17:52] <desrt> glad you agree
[17:52] <desrt> i'm sure there will be haters
[17:52] <desrt> but i know they're wrong
[17:52] <mterry> developer might not notice a simple crash dialog
[17:52] <mterry> desrt, but also, if there's a way we could just reuse dconf for the accountsservice, that would be swell
[17:53] <desrt> mterry: for the per-user data, you mean?
[17:53] <mterry> desrt, yeah
[17:53] <mterry> desrt, how advanced are these discussions with upstream?  Like, should I still bother trying to upstream these patches we have for one-off features?
[17:53] <desrt> mterry: upstream will take the patch if i write it
[17:53] <desrt> i'd like to keep it simple for now, though
[17:54] <desrt> like, add a dbus interface and expose a client library api
[17:54] <desrt> nothing more
[17:54] <mterry> sure
[17:54] <desrt> gonna go walk larsu to security and grab some lunch now
[17:59] <Trevinho> pitti: hey, I've noticed one thing in my laptop... I'have that Upower's HhibernateAllowed() result != logind's CanHibernate()... And this lead to the fact that unity shutdown dialog (when pressing the power button) shows the hibernate option, but the indicator-session doesn't...
[18:00] <Trevinho> pitti: so, I think we should fix that as well, isn't it?
[18:00] <Trevinho> (to support logind)
[18:34] <mterry> seb128, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63086
[18:34] <ubot2`> Freedesktop bug 63086 in general "Add KeyboardLayouts property" [Enhancement,New]
[18:46] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[19:00] <jbicha> tkamppeter: did you see bug 1157814? fixing it would beat having to use a usb stick to transfer files to another computer to use the printer
[19:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1157814 in cups-filters (Ubuntu) "Xerox Workcentre doesn't print any more in Ubuntu 12.10 and newer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157814
[22:52] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: synced liblangtag 0.4.0-6. thanks for your work on it.


[10:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> auto join
[12:18] <Gargoyle> hello
[12:20] <Gargoyle> Anyone have their iPhone stop showing up properly in files?
[12:20] <Gargoyle> Specifically, it now just says "This folder is empty"
[14:46] <daftykins> is it unlocked...
[14:46] <daftykins> you also have to ok PCs i thought
[15:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ping around by any chance :d
[15:56] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: wassup?
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, not much, but I notice that there is yet another M10 tablet versio now
[16:00] <popey> oh?
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, altough not with UBuntu of corse, but yes looks like the FHD again
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with Android
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and this time round 32gb internal
[16:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it supports 4g as well
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, only in black that one to, no white,  they have a chpaer tablet in white too but seen that before, seems white is the cheaper colour of a device when comes to bq or something
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I wonder if Ubuntu TOUCH would work on the FHD 4g M10 tablet, I guess it could
[16:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how was your Christmas as well ?
[16:02] <popey> no idea
[16:02] <popey> it would depend on the internals
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> t
[16:02] <popey> great thanks, yours?
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they had some sort of  changing Android to UBuntu software, so maybe would work with that one to
[16:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mine was ok
[16:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, aren't theyse companies clever, selling the same device yet again, but with enough hardware changes, to make people possibly buy it
[16:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's all about money in the end though so sure
[16:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> price goes up by about 60 euros too compared to the FHD
[16:06] <popey> Customer demand dictates their product lineup
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, indeed they will sell what sells
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anwyay if hte hardware is the same as the fhd
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> except for
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> more  internal space and 4g support
[16:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then I would have thought that, the Android to Ubuntu device, software they have,  would probably work
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, do you know a resonable amount or not so much, about porting it to different devices by the way ?
[16:08] <popey> hard to know without looking at one
[16:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well the site has specs
[16:08] <popey> they could have changed numerous things
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it seems to be the same,  except for more internal space and 4g
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I didn't look really closly
[16:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, they change too much and they can't realy call it the m10 as such anymore I guess :D
[16:10] <popey> it doesnt need much changed for our image to not work
[16:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh why's that?
[16:12] <popey> the images have exactly the right drivers for the device
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> each ota image you mean?
[16:12] <popey> a nexus 5 image has exactly th drivers for that device and wont work on anything else
[16:13] <popey> same for any other image
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I guess more devices in general will work with Ubuntu anyway,  once things go more to what will become Ubuntu personal ?
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uh tablet crash happens osmetiems back
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well if the 4g m10 works with UBuntu, that's a better ubuntu tablet htan the fhd
[16:17] <popey> yeah
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> quite a bit better
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> even if it's just hte internal space and 4g support as the difference really
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, that's something that was a bit sucky with the ubuntu m10 no sim support
[16:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, yeah to how it would be better I assume that was
[16:20] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: diffeent cpu and gpu
[16:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh so won't work with the image then ?
[16:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or not yet
[16:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think m is just a name thing,  and hen a size, they got a chdapr m8 a 8 inch tablet
[16:22] <popey> as I said, no
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's ashame
[16:23] <popey> same for all android based devices
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, or I guess there may be a way for it to work, but currently would  take hackey porting stuff over stuff
[16:23] <popey> would need porting
[16:24] <popey> someone needs to get the device and start porting it
[16:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah that particular device ....
[16:24]  * SebthreeBQM10HD kind of wanted the device well a part of me, but....
[16:25]  * SebthreeBQM10HD kind of wants another Andorid tablet actsaully, since the one I had was just a cheap thing anyway
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and now broken wel power issue
[16:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, what is stopping it fro running on lots of Android haradware currently really ?
[16:27] <popey> people porting it
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the drivers etc
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you mean
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I Guess
[16:27] <popey> kernel
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[16:27] <popey> it's not insignificant work
[16:28]  * SebthreeBQM10HD pays popey with a non existent one million pounds, to port Ubuntu and SalifishOS to as much Android hardware as possible :D
[16:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh and for ufn Firefox OS too :D h eh
[16:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> fun above
[16:30] <popey> the ubports can do with help
[16:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, indeed, but I don't really have that one million pounds as I just put :D
[16:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ota servers  on the ubports site, what's tht? ota updates ?
[23:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy