 Open a window which launches a `rc` shell, run `rio` which then runs another window manager in a window
[07:45] <theblazehen> There isn't even a distinction between terminal and gui stuff
[07:45] <theblazehen> Eg, run `firefox` from a linux terminal - opens a new X window
[07:46] <theblazehen> run a graphical thing in plan 9 - replaces your terminal unless you kill the process then your terminal is back
[07:46] <theblazehen> Also, nice namespace concept
[07:46] <theblazehen> and great network integration, with concept of storage servers, cpu servers etc
[07:47] <theblazehen> Built in containerization for like 2 decades as well, compared to linux, which had it for around just 1
[07:47] <theblazehen> Even came before solaris zones
[07:49] <theblazehen> Although I am only running a single node cluster
[08:13] <theblazehen> nsnzero: https://homeplan9-1.theblazehen.com/scrot.png
[08:14] <theblazehen> You can see roughly the right half is a window containing another window manager
[08:15] <theblazehen> Neat thing is I can minimize any window
[08:15] <theblazehen> and the window manager on the right is just another top level window
[08:15] <theblazehen> So I can minimize a group of windows
[08:15] <nsnzero> something like i3 ?
[08:15] <theblazehen> and if I resize the top level window all the children windows resize as well
[08:15] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Nah, no tiling by default
[08:16] <theblazehen> floating wm
[08:16] <theblazehen> But you can write scripts for tiling :) Just /dev/wctl/something or so
[08:17] <theblazehen> Bottom left is /dev/config
[08:27] <theblazehen> Hmm. Just got an idea...
[08:57] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:58] <nsnzero> hi inetpro
[08:59] <theblazehen> hi inetpro, wb nsnzero
[09:00] <nsnzero> thanks theblazehen
[11:17] <nsnzero> does squid proxy work with https ? or just plain http ?
[11:20] <theblazehen> Can do https, but you'll need to install a cert on all the clients
[11:20] <theblazehen> And not sure if it breaks cert pinning
[11:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero: ^
[11:32] <nsnzero> just cant get it functional theblazehen
[11:32] <nsnzero> i will have to read up on it
[11:32] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Trying to do a transparent proxy, or normal one?
[11:32] <nsnzero> transparent
[11:34] <nsnzero> i have quite a few window machines on this network and i cant disable the auto-update so firewalled the router but i need a proxy to allow http/s access
[11:34] <theblazehen> Yeah, can't do that
[11:34] <theblazehen> afaik
[11:34] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: ?
[11:34] <theblazehen> Also, using a wpad.dat will at least help with the proxy config if you need to do itr
[11:35] <theblazehen> s/$//
[11:37] <nsnzero> the netgear router only allows 16 rules - thats another problem
[11:44] <theblazehen> nsnzero: the dgn2200, or a different one?
[11:45] <nsnzero> same 1
[11:46] <theblazehen> Just write an init script that calls iptables?
[11:46] <theblazehen> :D
[11:46] <nsnzero> Linux: Setup a transparent proxy with Squid in three easy steps
[11:47] <theblazehen> heh. http://www.bash.org/?464385
[11:47] <theblazehen> But seriously, it won't be any easier in windows
[11:49] <nsnzero> doesnt affect my work if no one else can access the internet - i will put this on the that back burner
[11:49] <theblazehen> heh. Or just configure proxy auto configuration
[12:04] <nsnzero> i see the squid server daemon running and no error in the log - just doesnt connect
[12:15] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Still trying transparent proxy?
[12:17] <nsnzero> hopefully if i can get it to work
[12:22] <theblazehen> nsnzero: It won't
[12:26] <nsnzero> theblazehen: i can relax now - this proxy thing will have to wait
[12:28] <nsnzero> everybody , have a good afternoon
[13:24] <andrewlsd> nsnzero yip. by definition SSL cannot be transparently proxied. you have to man-in-the-middle it. which breaks SSL.  (it's what appliances like BlueCoat do)
[13:24] <andrewlsd> so nzero wpad.dat is your best bet.
[13:25] <andrewlsd> which is automatic proxy settings config used by client
[13:25] <andrewlsd> as per theblazehen
[13:25] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: "nsnzero has left ("WeeChat 1.7")"
[13:41] <Kilos> eish upgrading opera-beta is gonna take over 5 hours for 51meg
[13:42] <Kilos> 2725 B/s
[13:46] <Kilos> now it says 10 hours. holy moly
[15:48] <tareq> hi all
[17:57] <nsnzero> evening all
[17:57] <nsnzero> why does qemu-kvm create a new user on my system ?
[18:01] <MaNI> why wouldn't it, it's fairly common practice?
[18:03] <MaNI> most linux programs that have a daemon run it as a limited permission user for security reasons (if there is a bug the rest of the system can't easily be compromised)
[18:05] <nsnzero> hi MaNI
[18:05] <nsnzero> just wanted to known why - saw this new user on my login screen got suspicious thats all
[18:06] <MaNI> strange that it shows it on your login screen - most WMs hide users like that by default
[18:07] <nsnzero> yip was there virt-something i deleted it though
[18:11] <nsnzero> it also created a new network interface - for security i assume
[18:23] <inetpro> talking about users on the login screen, how do I hide a user?
[18:25] <nsnzero> hi inetpro - ssdm login ?
[18:26] <theblazehen> inetpro: set shell to /usr/sbin/nologin?
[18:26] <theblazehen> My libvirt also shows on login screen, and it uses /bin/false instead of /usr/sbin/nologin for some reason
[18:26] <inetpro> Kubuntu 16.04, I guess that would be ssdm
[18:27] <inetpro> theblazehen: interesting, thanks
[18:29] <nsnzero> Set uid of the user (you want to hide )to any number which is less than 1000
[18:30] <inetpro> theblazehen: I have serveral users with /bin/false but not appearing in the greeter screen
[18:31] <inetpro> looks like there's something about users using the AccountsService as well
[18:33] <theblazehen> Hmm, not sure
[18:42] <inetpro> oh and setting the user to /usr/sbin/nologin does not help... did it quickly and even after a reboot the user is still there
[18:57] <nsnzero> good night guys - rest well
[18:59] <inetpro> night nsnzero
[19:01] <nsnzero> sddm has a option in sddm.conf HideUsers=
[19:01] <nsnzero> night inetpro


[15:43] <bittin_> Hello, anyone have DKMS modules for zfs for the 5.10 kernels ?
[15:48] <bittin> also my computer crashed so missed if anyone wrote something
[15:53] <bittin> according to the #zfsonlinux people the kernel modules for ZFS needs to updated so are stuck on a 5.9 kernel for now
[16:47] <tjaalton> bittin: the version from hirsute should work
[16:48] <tjaalton> at least builds
[17:12] <bittin> tjaalton: wwierd it does not boot with this kernel: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.10.2/ for me but this works: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.9.15/
[17:12] <bittin> wierd*
[17:15] <bittin> well i can live being on the 5.9 branch gonna test 5.9.16 now
[17:16] <bittin> i get kicked out to initramfs on the 5.10 kernels
[17:16] <bittin> and now it said something about the ZFS modules
[17:16] <tjaalton> "something"
[17:17] <bittin> that they are unloaded
[17:23] <tjaalton> and you have hirsute?
[17:25] <bittin> yeah update to 5.9.16 works but if i try to update to 5.10 kernel series the ZFS modules is unloaded
[17:25] <bittin> tjaalton
[17:26] <tjaalton> check that they are built
[17:27] <bittin> i removed those deb packages but how can i do that the easiest way, check the output ?
[17:28] <tjaalton> removed what?
[17:28] <tjaalton> you need to have zfs-dkms installed
[17:29] <bittin> these on my system: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.10.2/
[17:29] <bittin> but reinstalling them now
[17:30] <bittin> tjaalton: https://pastebin.com/BMknDaXh
[17:30] <bittin> think i spotted the error
[17:31] <tjaalton> focal has linux-oem-5.10 with zfs built-in
[17:31] <bittin> zfs-dkms is already the newest version (0.8.4-1ubuntu16).
[17:31] <tjaalton> you'd need to modify dkms.conf for it
[17:32] <tjaalton> /usr/src/zfs-0.8.4/dkms.conf
[17:34] <bittin> https://pastebin.com/BQRi4EHB
[17:35] <bittin> no idea what too touch but if its easier / better i can stay on a 5.9 kernel
[17:39] <tjaalton> do you have the headers installed?
[17:40] <bittin> yep
[17:46] <bittin> but it says the ZFS modules can't be built
[17:47] <tjaalton> dkms.conf can say which versions are supported, but can't see it set here
[17:48] <bittin> wierd does not say anything about that here
[17:49] <bittin> but as i am getting a ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-5.10.2-051002-generic is not supported error and throwed into initramfs when trying to boot i think i will run the 5.9.16 kernel
[17:57] <bittin> anyways
[22:39] <Moonspell> is anyone familiar with for_each_process(task) ? I'm trying to do my own syscall, but I'm lost (first time doing this)
[22:57] <JanC> Moonspell: maybe https://kernelnewbies.org/ is a better place to get such help?
[22:58] <Moonspell> JanC, probably, yes, I'm reading a lot of documentation, though, I just need someone who already done it... it's not that easy to do this when most of the information is for versions 2.* and 3.* of the kernel
[23:04] <Moonspell> btw, most kernelnewbies link references, give me a 500/503 error, thx anyway :D


[00:04] <cjwatson> The OED cites Romany as "early 19th century".  But I think Romani is the preferred spelling nowadays, and LP should probably use that.
[00:05] <cjwatson> (Though preferably with a bit more verification than me at 1am)
[00:09] <comradekingu> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-systemsettings/+pots/systemsettings/nb/7/+translate  to find the original misspelling of innstillinger "instillinger" the suggestions just point at each other.
[00:09] <comradekingu> Result, a misspelling can never be corrected, and shows up everywhere
[00:16] <cjwatson> comradekingu: Looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/52805
[00:19] <comradekingu> ok, ty
[10:37] <rbasak> How does one report a spamming account? Or should I just mark the bug as invalid?
[10:41] <wgrant> rbasak: What's the username?
[10:41] <rbasak> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~tsnwv https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/1313599
[10:41] <wgrant> But usually https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[10:41] <wgrant> Oh, them again.
[10:41] <wgrant> grar.
[10:41] <rbasak> +addquestion - noted, thanks.
[18:07] <[MT]> So... what's causing this to fail now? https://code.launchpad.net/~nginx/nginx/debian  the repo is perfectly fine as far as I can tell.
[18:10] <dobey> [MT]: the error seems pretty clear to me, but i can't tell you why the sha is invalid
[18:15] <[MT]> dobey: I guess I'm more concerned with fixing it, but it seems like an issue on the LP side, not in the repo itself
[18:16] <dobey> [MT]: maybe bzr-git is being too strict, or has a bug
[18:17] <dobey> i don't think there's anything in launchpad itself we can do for that error, beyond getting bzr-git updated on the server if the bug is fixed
[18:19] <[MT]> Should I just file a bug against bzr-git?
[18:19] <dobey> or launchpad if you wish; seems like the best place to start with that
[18:20] <dobey> then again, it could be a bug in git where the sha actually is broken and git is just going on anyway instead of failing
[18:20] <dobey> and bzr is doing the "right
[18:20] <dobey> err
[18:20] <dobey> and bzr-git is doign the "right" thing there
[18:20] <dobey> but i don't know for certain. just pointing out what i see :)
[18:21] <[MT]> If it actually were broken, I'd expect to see that when doing git clone.
[18:23] <[MT]> thanks for the info and taking a look
[18:25] <dobey> [MT]: right, unless there's a bug in git that is not failing when it should (which is why i menteiond that). git isn't without bugs either. could have a goto fail in it too ;)
[18:26] <[MT]> git has no flaws!
[18:26] <[MT]> ya, could be the case.
[18:28] <dobey> aka rhetorical avoidance :)
[18:29] <[MT]> ooh
[18:29] <comradekingu> circular logic


[14:37] <zequence> Anyone eager to test the final release candidate?
[15:55] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I have no HW available right now.
[16:29] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Should be done within the hour.
[17:18] <zequence> Both isos smoke tested
[17:21] <ObrienDave> daily or beta?
[18:03] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Final Release Candidate
[18:04] <zequence> Oops
[18:04] <zequence> ObrienDave: That was meant for you
[18:05] <ObrienDave> k, thanks
[18:05] <ObrienDave> can i get it through the daily?
[18:28] <ObrienDave> nvm, getting zsync now :)
[18:30] <zequence> ObrienDave: Since it hasn't been released yet, you can only find it as a daily. This is the current release candidate http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/20141015/
[18:31] <ObrienDave> that's where i'm getting it from, thanks :)
[18:32] <ObrienDave> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/81934/downloads
[18:32] <ObrienDave> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/20141015/utopic-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync
[18:48] <zequence> yep
[18:52] <ObrienDave> i love zsync :)
[19:52] <ObrienDave> strange, can't log into iso.qa.ubuntu.com using latest FireFox
[19:53] <ObrienDave> chrome works no problem
[20:08] <ObrienDave> vbox install worked YAY
[20:15] <zequence> Oh, cool. I did both my installs on real hw
[20:16] <ObrienDave> marked that as a success
[20:16] <zequence> Need to do them again
[20:16] <zequence> New build out. Didn't know that
[20:17] <ObrienDave> ok, on to xubuntu 64 final
[20:18] <ObrienDave> oops, did not see todays build. retesting full disk install
[20:23] <ObrienDave> studio final iso 100% match from yesterday build
[21:44] <zequence> Ok. All done. Time to snooze


 @HMollerCl just saw your query; can I help now(ish)
 @guiverc [@HMollerCl just saw your query; can I help now(ish)], It's because of localization, if you know some good source on how to do it
[02:04] <guiverc> @HollerCl, sorry I don't follow.. I was offline when you asked & didn't see any conversation that occurred
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @HollerCl, sorry I don't follow.. I was offline when you asked & didn' …], Regarding your comment on phab for the script, so its not hard-coded English
 @HMollerCl [Regarding your comment on phab for the script, so its not hard-coded English], I think that was @aptghetto that had that comment.
 @kc2bez [I think that was @aptghetto that had that comment.], Oooo, right, sorry @guiverc
[17:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> ummm...I think I might have made a mistake in merging.
 @aptghetto regarding  localization, if you know some good source on how to do it
 ?
[17:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> The rules file probably. @RikMills can you confirm?
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> I think I missed the override_dh_missing change from upstream and used the same as last ubuntu version.
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ @tsimonq2 @wxl @kc2bez
[18:00] <kc2bez> @The_Loudspeaker which package are you referring to. ^
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> latest commit.
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTSESSIONPACKAGING790aa10f4a38202ba725ae43a83a424c4bd8982b
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPOLICYKITPACKAGING93d9e7e109b45639652f295222bc68bb903de4d7
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGINGaeb2dc7e11a3f79ebd53b44e0d3b0c663d38b418
[18:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPOWERMANAGEMENTPACKAGINGc8f4fe8700994b3c92d380c4320a4a04087d69f1
[18:12] <kc2bez> Looking at powermanagement for example you do have differences there: https://phab.lubuntu.me/P71
[18:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> knew it!
[18:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> *facepalms*
[18:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> I still have the source locally available. will ammend asap.
[18:15] <kc2bez> I only looked at one and I didn't compare the entire package, just the rules file.
[18:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> I do have whole package locally. I ill check again.
[18:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> Thanks for confirming. I will make sure such mistakes don't happen again.
[18:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez can you take a quick look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/D83 ?
[18:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Merge from debian unstable.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D83
[18:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> This should be correct. If it is then I will apply same method to others in future. Not doing future merges untill then.
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[ Needs Review  3]  Merge from debian unstable.:  2https://phab.lubun …], @RikMills @tsimonq2
[18:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPOLICYKITPACKAGING3979e0b270ac: Updated rules] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPOLICYKITPACKAGING3979e0b270ac
[18:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPOWERMANAGEMENTPACKAGINGe0e0ee2890c4: Updated rules] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPOWERMANAGEMENTPACKAGINGe0e0ee2890c4
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez can you take a quick look at https://phab.lubuntu.me/D …], Can't right now.
[18:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- Error: D is an invalid task reference.
[18:52] <The_LoudSpeaker> k. No worries do it when you are free. I will fix the previous ones till then.
[18:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTSESSIONPACKAGING4a2c02154831: Updated rules] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTSESSIONPACKAGING4a2c02154831
[18:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGING14f1c708cd8a: Updated rules] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTRUNNERPACKAGING14f1c708cd8a
[19:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGINGb03e9d7595f3: Correctly Merge from Merge-o-Matic] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGINGb03e9d7595f3
[19:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTPANELPACKAGINGd8e78c972cc1: Updated rules and copyright.] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTPANELPACKAGINGd8e78c972cc1
 @HMollerCl [@aptghetto regarding  localization, if you know some good source on how to do it], I know, that gettext is used on Python. Maybe PyQt has its own way to do it? … Or you look at Calamares, there are also Python parts in the code. … At the moment I can't really help you, sorry.


[02:44] <EviIguana_> Hello
[02:44] <EviIguana_> I am trying to connect to a windows samba share
[02:45] <EviIguana_> I have installed midnight commander
[02:45] <EviIguana_> as well as samba
[02:45] <EviIguana_> and changed the mount point to my home directory
[02:45] <EviIguana_> running pyNeighborhood in debug mode
[02:45] <EviIguana_> I get the following error:
[02:45] <EviIguana_> Mounting //<IP_ADDRESS>/Apollo ...
[02:45] <EviIguana_> mount error(13): Permission denied
[02:45] <EviIguana_> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
[02:45] <EviIguana_> Failed to mount
[02:45] <EviIguana_> Failed, mounting by netbios
[02:45] <EviIguana_> can anyone help please with this??
[02:46] <EviIguana_> I'd really like to get my printer connected
[02:46] <EviIguana_> thank you!
[03:01] <EviIguana_> any ideas anyone?
[03:05] <j1mc> EviIguana_: is your mount point actually /home/eviliguana  (or whatever your username is)?
[03:05] <j1mc> if so, try creating a new, empty directory.
[03:06] <j1mc> i.e. /home/eviliguana/samba-share
[03:06] <j1mc> or better yet... /mnt/samba-share
[03:16] <EviIguana_> no luck
[03:16] <EviIguana_> i think
[03:16] <EviIguana_> it has something to do with the password
[03:16] <EviIguana_> it never asks me for the username and password to the windows machine
[03:19] <j1mc> EviIguana_: samba is not really "plug and play"... i take it you've looked over a few documents about how to best connect to a windows share?
[03:19] <j1mc> sorry i can't be of much help
[03:19] <EviIguana_> yeah
[03:20] <EviIguana_> was hoping it was a little easier
[05:06] <jar> Is mounting ssh shares with Gigolo not working for anyone else?
[05:11] <jar> It seems to mount but won't open in Thunar..
[05:19] <ronin_> how do you install ibus on xubuntu?
[05:23] <jar> ronin_, it's in apt
[05:27] <ronin_> what repo? searching for ibus doesn't show it up
[05:27] <jar> ronin_, what are you using to search
[05:28] <ronin_> synaptic
[05:28] <Sysi> !info ibus
[05:28] <jar> ronin_, i searched with aptitutde and it turns up
[05:28] <jar> o_o
[05:28] <jar> !info gnome-app-install
[05:29] <Sysi> ronin_: what version of xubuntu?
[05:29] <ronin_> 9.10
[05:29] <ronin_> under languages it doesn't show up as an option for input
[05:29] <Sysi> sudo apt-get install ibus
[05:29] <Sysi> to terminal
[05:30] <Sysi> need to go →
[05:31] <ronin_> just making sure apt is updated first
[05:31] <ronin_> and this install didn't automatically add my 2 NTFS partitions
[10:41] <waggl> hello
[10:41] <knome> !hi | waggl
[10:42] <waggl> is here someone who can maybe help me?^^
[10:42] <knome> !ask | waggl
[10:42] <jars> hey knome ;p
[10:42] <knome> hey jars
[10:43] <jars> jars = jar on netbook
[10:43] <jars> :D
[10:43] <jars> hehe
[10:43] <knome> well yeah i guessed you are jar, but wasn't totally sure what the s meant ;)
[10:43] <knome> not a very usual abbrevation for netbook though...
[10:44] <knome> ;)
[10:44] <jars> hehe
[10:44] <jars> it's actually got nothing to do with that, just added a letter.
[10:44] <jars> :D
[10:44] <knome> yup
[10:44] <jars> I guess it could mean small!
[10:44] <jars> :P
[10:44] <knome> maybe
[10:44] <waggl> ok, i just made a dist-upgrade and it told me to reboot. i did that and when the splash should show up it says it fails to show it in the resolution. the view is filmmering and i am in tty1 but through filmmering i cant loggin because it dont take all keyboardinputs
[10:45] <jars> waggl, What version did you upgrade from?
[10:45] <jars> 9.04?
[10:45] <waggl> 9.10
[10:45] <knome> probably *to* 9.10
[10:46] <jars> Yeah
[10:46] <jars> What was your old version?
[10:46] <waggl> 9.10
[10:46] <jars> Wait.. what?
[10:46] <knome> waggl, you upgraded to lucid?
[10:46] <jars> The current version is 9.10
[10:47] <waggl> i installed from the 9.10 cd and then typed sudo apt-get dist-upgrade...was that wrong?^^
[10:47] <jars> eeep
[10:47] <jars> you should have used the update manager
[10:47] <waggl> i did that because it didnt install all updates with sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:47] <waggl> why?^^
[10:47] <jars> It's the officially supported update method.
[10:48] <jars> It makes sure these things don't happen.
[10:48] <waggl> mmh...
[10:48] <knome> waggl, what does 'lsb_release -a' say?
[10:48] <waggl> i cant login to my system so i cant try it...
[10:49] <waggl> at the moment i am on the live-cd
[10:49] <knome> waggl, what about the safe mode (or what it's called), in grub?
[10:49] <jars> Can you chroot in?
[10:49] <waggl> mmh. how do i use that?
[10:49] <waggl> i am new to linux...sry...
[10:49] <knome> waggl, if it was a relatively clear installation still, i'd think the best way would be to reinstall
[10:50] <jars> Yeah, it seems you accidentally plopped yourself into Lucid
[10:50] <jars> Which is far from stable at this time
[10:50] <knome> waggl, and *not* dist-upgrade. if you succeeded in dist-upgrading, it means you were in a development release of release that's supposed to be released in april 2010
[10:50] <knome> waggl, read: not going to work
[10:50] <waggl> oh...ok...
[10:50] <waggl> so how can i use the safe-mode?
[10:51] <waggl> i want to backup my data before reinstalling
[10:51] <knome> waggl, your drives should be mounted in the livecd
[10:51] <waggl> oh^^
[10:52] <waggl> mmh but i cant see my homefolder
[10:53] <knome> in /media ?
[10:54] <waggl> media is empty here...
[10:55] <knome> /mnt ?
[10:56] <waggl> also empty
[10:56] <waggl> i think that isnt my filesystem
[10:56] <waggl> ehm harddrive...
[10:57] <knome> waggl, ok, so what does 'mount' say in terminal?
[10:59] <waggl> /dev/sr0, aufs, /dev/loop0 and tmpfs are mounted
[10:59] <waggl> and udev
[10:59] <knome> yeah...
[11:00] <knome> you probably should mount your HD's yourself, but you can do that from the livecd and if you have a USB disk/stick you can backup like that
[11:00] <waggl> ok thx i will try that ^^
[11:00] <knome> !mount | waggl
[11:01] <knome> waggl, for more help see ^^
[11:01] <waggl> and there is no way to reverse the upgrade?^^
[11:02] <knome> no.
[11:04] <waggl> ok thank you ^^ cu^^
[11:04] <knome> have fun and good luck
[11:04] <waggl> thx
[11:12] <jars> i always forger xterm options in xdefaults...
[11:12] <jars> grrrr
[11:13] <knome> ;)
[11:13] <jars> xfce4-terminal is nice... but kinda slow on this netbook.
[11:14] <knome> hmm, partly agre
[11:14] <knome> +e
[11:14] <knome> i would *so* fall asleep if i didn't make myself write an essay :%
[11:15] <knome> or more like %|
[11:15] <jars> hehehe
[11:15] <jars> knome, You a student too?
[11:15] <knome> yep.
[11:15] <jars> :)
[11:15] <jars> i'm 21 and a student also
[11:15] <knome> i'm studying social services in a university of applied sciences
[11:15] <jars> ahhhh
[11:15] <jars> neato
[11:15] <knome> (23, 24 in a month or so)
[11:16] <jars> =]
[11:16] <jars> i notice xfce users tend to be young
[11:16] <jars> weird
[13:58] <waggl> hallo^^
[14:20] <squirrelpimp> hi
[14:20] <squirrelpimp> i found a bug in latest xubuntu karmic. Basically the login takes pretty long while an error appears in .xsession-errors multiple times
[14:21] <squirrelpimp> it is described here as well: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67860
[14:21] <TheSheep> !bugs | squirrelpimp
[14:21] <squirrelpimp> TheSheep: yes. Thanks.
[14:21] <squirrelpimp> :)
[14:21] <squirrelpimp> i came here as i'm not sure which package to file it against
[14:21] <squirrelpimp> so given this information, i already have the new bug report opened
[14:21] <squirrelpimp> :)
[14:22] <squirrelpimp> which part of xfce sets the keyboard layout? xfce4-session?
[14:35]  * TheSheep doesn't know
[14:35] <TheSheep> I'd file it against the session and let someone change it later
[14:36] <squirrelpimp> ok, i did that
[14:37] <squirrelpimp> right now i'm trying to fix gnome-keyring-daemon not setting the environment variables. Is there some overview available about which processes are started by whom and in which order the system processes the various session setup scripts after user login?
[14:38] <TheSheep> I don't know about anything like that, it changes too fast, but you might want to ask at #xubuntu-devel
[14:38] <squirrelpimp> for example theres an Xsession file in /etc/gdm and /etc/X
[14:38] <squirrelpimp> ok
[14:38] <TheSheep> (and wait for someone to show up)
[17:17] <danielsevigny> Hello everyone. Has anyone successfully Dualbooted Windows 7 and 9.10? I failed on the first attempt at the partitioner (had told it to boot alongside Win7) and now that opton is no longer available. Am thinking I can overwrite the disk with Xubuntu and then reinstall win7 after. Does this work?
[17:29] <likemindead> danielsevigny_, try Super Grub Disk
[17:29] <likemindead> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[17:30] <likemindead> It can fix you right up, if anything can.
[17:30] <danielsevigny_> It's just weird the way the partitioner hung like that.... never seen it before.
[17:32] <danielsevigny_> my only concern is that it's not allowing me to partition the drive. It's basically giving me the option of all or nothing at this point
[18:25] <danielsevigny_> How big is the Xubuntu installation?
[18:33] <likemindead> I think 4GB is the recommended space available.
[20:08] <danielsevigny_> xubuntu is being bad...
[20:08] <danielsevigny_> Anyone use X-Plane with xubuntu?
[20:57] <FelineMonstrosit> My updates are downloading very sporadically (and have been for weeks). Most of the time the download speed is 0, then occasionally it will go up to a few hundred bytes per second, and even more occasionally about 10 or 20 kb/s. Downloading 40mb of updates takes AGES! Anyone else experiencing this?
[21:17] <cody-somerville> FelineMonstrosit, sounds like a network issue?
[21:38] <FelineMonstrosit> cody-somerville: what I want to know is whether it's a problem at my end or a problem with the servers. My internet has had no other problems.
[21:47] <wrgb> FelineMonstrosit: you still there?
[21:47] <FelineMonstrosit> yes
[21:47] <wrgb> FelineMonstrosit: hang on a sec,
[21:50] <wrgb> FelineMonstrosit: go to synaptic package manager, click on Settings > Repositories, where it says Download from: servername, click on the drop down list
[21:50] <wrgb> FelineMonstrosit: click Other, then click on the Select Best Server button, this will run a test on all the available servers and find the fastest one
[21:51] <wrgb> FelineMonstrosit: when it finishes, press the (I think) Choose Server button for the one it comes up with
[21:55] <FelineMonstrosit> OK thanks.


[00:19] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I'm willing to believe that there is a correlation between unstable Windows installations and installing Windows after Ubuntu, though the causality pretty clearly wouldn't be what they claim.
[00:20] <ikonia> to be honest, the only time I see this is with people not doing their home work
[00:21] <ikonia> I've never seen this, the people I interact with daily don't have this problem,
[00:21] <ikonia> every time I've seen this complaint it's been user error/lack of planning
[00:21] <ikonia> and I don't like people blaming windows for their lack of planning/research
[00:22] <Jordan_U> Completely agreed.
[02:02] <Transhumanist> ikonia: I've been talking to jamie_ and helping him through partition management with Gparted so he can dual-boot Ubuntu and Windows. If I hadn't of, he would've just ditched Ubuntu given his frustration and bad experiences in this channel. This isn't a Windows support channel, but nor do you need to kick somebody for wanting to dual-boot. His problem was Windows not recognising ext3.
 this chan is full with lamers
[18:11] <bazhang> ubuntu server pi aquaponics?
[18:11] <bazhang> oh yeah thats on topic


[09:16] <apw> yo
[10:05] <ppisati> why command line completion on tangerine triggers git?
[10:05] <ppisati> i'm stuck, looking at top with a git process sucking up 100% of cpu
[10:06] <ppisati> just because i tab-bed inside a git tree (from a saucy-amd64 chroot)
[10:08] <ppisati> bah
[10:09] <ppisati> and all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain...
[10:16] <apw> ppisati, :) here have another moment, i have a couple of spares
[10:48]  * ppisati goes out for a run...
[15:19] <manjo> smb, you have any bandwidth to take a look at kvm issue I am seeing ?
[15:20] <smb> manjo, I can look as long as you don't expect results :-P
[15:20] <manjo> :) alright .. can we switch channels to hwe ?
[15:25] <ppisati> rtg: "TTY: hvc_dcc: probe for a JTAG connection before registering" - do you plan to pull this? or you need a formal git email/patch?
[15:25] <rsalveti> rtg: can you check bug 1231196? it's basically a side effect of /proc/net/wireless being useless with mako
[15:26] <rtg> ppisati, how about the patch that was actually accepted in linux-next ? in the meantime infinity has implemented a work around.
[15:27] <rtg> rsalveti, gimme a bit
[15:27] <ppisati> rtg: i didn't see that patch
[15:27]  * ppisati goess looking
[15:27] <ppisati> *goes
[15:27] <rtg> ppisati, should be on linux-next by now though I have not checked
[16:32] <rtg> rsalveti, so, what _is_ the wifi device on the N4 ?
[16:34] <rsalveti> rtg: you mean the driver? drivers/staging/prima
[16:34] <rtg> rsalveti, ah, no wonder I couldn't find it
[16:42] <rtg> rsalveti, assuming NetworkManager is using Wext to talk to this driver, I think we're screwed for stats (the stats entry point is NULL), e.g., .get_wireless_stats = NULL.
[16:43] <rsalveti> oh, not even implemented
[16:43] <rtg> no, but lemme look at the procfs entry
[17:07] <rtg> rsalveti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mako/+bug/1231196/comments/3
[17:13] <rsalveti> rtg: thanks
[17:16] <manjo> ppisati, you are my hero!
[17:17] <ppisati> manjo: IBAN IT123456000000666 <- money transfer go here
[17:17] <manjo> ppetraki, bank of nigeria ?
[17:17] <manjo> ppisati, ^
[17:18] <ppisati> poor ppetraki :)
[17:18] <ppetraki> \o/
[17:18] <ppisati> manjo: why the hell would i tell you to transfer money to a scam account?!?!?
[17:19] <rtg> kind of what I was wondering too
[17:19] <manjo> ppisati, beer the universal  currency
[17:19] <ppisati> ppetraki: at the next UDS i want to take a picture with you, just for the hell of it... :)
[17:19] <ppetraki> ppisati, certainly
[17:21] <manjo> ppisati, I charge $beer for pics
[17:25]  * ppisati -> reallife
[17:28] <wxl> it was suggested i come here (seems strange to me) to ask a question about sudo. sudo -H -u user whoami echoes the target user, yet sudo -H -u user echo $HOME echoes the invoking user's home. only Defaults in sudoers is the normal old env_reset and secure_path, which doesn't appear to conflict. any ideas what's wrong?
[17:30] <mjg59> $HOME is expanded by the shell before sudo is executed. whoami is executed by sudo.
[17:31] <wxl> ok, well that makes sense. possible to delay expansion (in a non-interactive way)?
[17:48] <wxl> oh well, i'll figure it out. thanks for the help
[20:33]  * rtg -> EOD


[09:53] <hynb> hi guys
[09:53] <hynb> is anyone online i am very new
[09:54] <hynb> i have not rtfm
[09:54] <diogenes_> !ask
[19:04] <tbs> how can i be sure my laptop doesnt have bluetooth
[19:05] <wxl> lspci should reveal any bluetooth
[19:05] <wxl> honestly, it should reveal any device whatsoever
[19:22] <kc2bez> If you have a usb (external plugin dongle) device you can use lsusb
[19:25] <wxl> although assumedly you would know that by physically seeing it XD
[19:26] <kc2bez> Very true but if you are troubleshooting you can see if the system recognizes it.
[19:30] <tbs> kc2bez: i have a laptop and im not sure if it has bluetooth or just bluedevil wizard doesnt work, how can i be sure?
[19:32] <wxl> tbs: like i said, lspci
[19:33] <tbs> wxl:  sorry i didnt see ur message before
[19:33] <tbs> and idk what s lspci
[19:33] <wxl> open terminal
[19:33] <wxl> type lspci
[19:34] <tbs> Bluetooth: Ralink corp. RT3290 Bluetooth
[19:34] <tbs> so i have
[19:34] <wxl> yup
[19:35] <tbs> i couldnt use it when i use win7, i come to linux about 3 months ago
[19:35] <tbs> cuz there was no bluetooth driver for my laptop
[19:35] <tbs> for win7
[19:36] <wxl> well windows 7 is dead so :)
[19:37] <tbs> well, i wouldnt mind about that actually, i didnt use updates or antivirus for years with win7 already for years
[19:38] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1092512/rt3290-ralink-driver-in-ubuntu-18-04
[19:38] <wxl> you are a brave soul
[19:38] <wxl> i wouldn't trust windows to ANYTHING, updated or not
[19:39] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/778615/ralink-rt-3290-bluetooth-problem-on-ubuntu-16-04
[19:39] <wxl> looks like you've got a very problematic driver that might require some compiling to get it to work
[19:39] <tbs> and didnt get any problem or virus, there s toolwiz timefreez to help me, i would be happy if there s an app like that at linux too :/
[19:39] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/756166/rt3290-ralink-driver-in-ubuntu
[19:39] <tbs> im going to read the pages u sent now
[19:40] <wxl> linux malware is incredibly rare. like almost unheard of.
[19:40] <tbs> isnt android also linux?
[19:41] <wxl> it uses a linux kernel, yes
[19:41] <wxl> https://github.com/ashishb/android-malware
[19:41] <wxl> even there, relatively small number
[19:42] <tbs> what about virus?
[19:42] <wxl> viruses are a subset of malware
[19:43] <tbs> i heard there s a lot of viruses for android
[19:45] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Android_malware
[19:45] <wxl> doesn't seem like it
[19:45] <wxl> here's the newest one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xafecopy_Trojan
[19:47] <tbs> :)
[19:52] <tbs> https://askubuntu.com/questions/778615/ralink-rt-3290-bluetooth-problem-on-ubuntu-16-04
[19:52] <tbs> i try to do this but i get error when i write make
[19:52] <tbs> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[19:54] <wxl> i don't know which instruction you're following, but this is a general problem with trying to understand how compilation works. generally you do `./configure` then `make`
[19:54] <tbs> wxl: ^
[19:55] <tbs> hmm
 Hi everyone
[20:19] <wxl> o/
 (Photo, 967x541) https://i.imgur.com/gkhu54Y.jpg
[20:23] <wxl> did you check the integrity of the iso and the installation media?
[20:23] <wxl> also what version is this?
 I encounter a similar error installing every linux distro based on ubuntu. This helps me but this is a different installer than the ubiquity. At least I have tried to open it and it does not work
 (Photo, 1234x1079) https://i.imgur.com/JMRx23g.jpg
 @wxl [<wxl> also what version is this?], 19.10 64-bit
 @wxl [<wxl> did you check the integrity of the iso and the installation media?], I am sure it's good because this always happens to me. (I think the problem is caused by my "hard drive" which is a 32 GB eMMC)
[20:26] <wxl> did you do the checks?
 @wxl [<wxl> did you do the checks?], Not officially but I am sure this is the problem I know and encounter for ages
[20:27] <wxl> well until they're dnoe, i can't rule out the most common issue
 I solve it but running the installer without installing the bootloader and installing the bootloader alone
 Well I am performing them right now
 "Check finished: no errors found" press any key to reboot your system
[20:29] <wxl> this is the "check disc for defects?"
 @wxl [<wxl> this is the "check disc for defects?"], Yes
 @PaulOverTelegram [<reply to image>], This always fixes it for me. Just can't find a way how to tell the installer not to install the bootloader
[20:32] <wxl> doesn't look like calamares supports it https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/517
 Well do you think if I install the ubiquity it could work?
 It's offered me an option to install me but I've never needed to do this before so idk how this is going to work
[20:33] <wxl> lubuntu doesn't use ubiquity so i doubt it will help; it's not configured as such
 The last option which pops into my mind is using an external hard drive
 I have some WD HDD so I'll try this one and hope it'll work
[20:35] <wxl> to be fair, i've never tested it on an eMMC
 @wxl [<wxl> to be fair, i've never tested it on an eMMC], Yeah it's pretty tricky
 Okay it's done. Now let's see if it works
[20:58] <tbs> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/morphis/anbox-support/ubuntu eoan Release' does not have a Release file.
[20:58] <tbs> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[20:58] <tbs> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[20:58] <tbs> i get this error, what to do?
[21:00] <wxl> find the author of the PPA and ask them
[21:00] <wxl> PPAs should be considered unsupported
[21:00] <wxl> FWIW he is online.. his nick is morphis
[21:01] <tbs> FWIW?
[21:02] <tbs> he s online where?
[21:02] <wxl> 1300 -!- morphis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:02] <wxl> 1300 -!-  ircname  : morphis
[21:02] <wxl> 1300 -!-  channels : #launchpad #canonical-sysadmin
[21:02] <wxl> 1300 -!-  server   : livingstone.freenode.net [New York City, NY, US]
[21:02] <wxl> 1300 -!-           : is using a secure connection
[21:02] <wxl> 1300 -!-  account  : morphis
[21:05] <tbs> wxl: thanks, i sent message to him
 Use the snap instead of the PPA
[21:34] <tbs> @aptghetto, how can i do that?
[21:42] <wxl> @aptghetto unfortunately it still needs the ppa https://github.com/anbox/anbox/blob/master/docs/install.md
 @wxl [<wxl> @aptghetto unfortunately it still needs the ppa https://github.com/anbox/a …], Ah, sorry. I remember now, that I had troubles with it on newer releases. … But I have cloned the repo https://github.com/anbox/anbox-modules and compiled it myself. Then the anbox snap works also on 20.04 (development version). … But that isn
[22:07] <Guest83669> hello
[22:09] <Guest83669> whats up gamers
[22:11] <kc2bez> This is the support channel for Lubuntu. did you have a question Guest83669 ?
[22:12] <Guest83669> oh, no. i just installed this and messing around
[22:12] <kc2bez> Ok we have an offtopic channel for chat.
[22:13] <kc2bez> !offtopic
[22:13] <Guest83669> okay thanks dude. sorry to disturb
[22:13] <kc2bez> no worries.
[22:13] <blammo> hey everyone. I'm trying to get a multifunction printer working fully, and I was wondering if someone could suggest an easy app for a scanning test? Just something to acquire the images from the scanner?
[22:14] <blamm00> hey everyone. I'm trying to get a multifunction printer working fully, and I was wondering if someone could suggest an easy app for a scanning test? Just something to acquire the images from the scanner?
[22:14] <kc2bez> which version of Lubuntu blamm00 ?
[22:16] <blamm00> sorry about the duplicate. kc2bez  Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[22:17] <blamm00> I have OpenOffice installed if a part of it can do image acquisition
[22:18] <kc2bez> not sure. I have to start up my bionic VM
[22:18] <blamm00> i also have inkscape and gimp installed but lack familiarity with them
[22:19] <kc2bez> it looks like simplescan should be installed.
[22:20] <blamm00> it is!
[22:20] <Guest83669> 2048 doesnt work. i try to swipe and its completely unresponsive
[22:20] <kc2bez> if that can see your scanner you should be able to use that to scan
[22:21] <wxl> Guest83669: "swipe?"
[22:21] <blamm00> kc2bez, it can see the scanner, but gives an error "Failed to scan Error communicating with the scanner"
[22:21] <Guest83669> dont you swipe tiles?
[22:22] <wxl> Guest83669: that's a word i reserve for touch interfaces
[22:22] <Guest83669> ooh gotcha
[22:23] <kc2bez> Guest83669: I am pretty sure you use the arrow keys.
[22:23] <kc2bez> blamm00: what is your scanner model?
[22:23] <Guest83669> arrow keys work
[22:23] <Guest83669> youre the best
[22:24] <kc2bez> happy to help Guest83669
[22:25] <blamm00> kc2bez, if were being honest with each other, I'm not sure the drivers are properly installed. I can print from OpenOffice but it took me several attempts. I last had it working under lubuntu 14.04 following the instructions i found then here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2245011 although my printer is a Canon MF8280CW
[22:25] <blamm00> kc2bez, I'm unable to print a test page from the system util, but can print from OpenOffice. which is weird to me.
[22:26] <blamm00> kc2bez, I have multiple version of the appropriate files from Canon, if thats helpful.
[22:26] <blamm00> versions*
[22:30] <kc2bez> That link takes me to drivers for a different printer model.
[22:32] <kc2bez> I don't see any linux drivers on the page for your model https://www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/fax__multifunctionals/laser/laserbase_mf_series/i-sensys_mf8280cw.html?type=download&language=EN&os=Linux
[22:32] <blamm00> kc2bez, yes thats right, its a different model. This is the solution I used with this MF8280CW the last time I set up the printer under lubuntu 14. I have also tries instructions I found specifically for this model but did not have success.
[22:33] <blamm00> kc2bez, I'm not sure but I have downloaded the right files for the right printer from Canon multiple times and have several versions available here locally
[22:33] <kc2bez> It looks like they may have existed at one point due to the reference here https://askubuntu.com/questions/583968/how-to-install-canon-mf8280cw
[22:34] <kc2bez> But when you follow the link there are no linux drivers there.
[22:35] <blamm00> kc2bez, I have the right drivers from Canon here, and Ive tried the information on that askubuntu link you provided but the Software Centre definitely does not open
[22:36] <blamm00> I'm more than willing to try again though.
[22:38] <genii> kc2bez: The link needs to now specify 32 or 64 bit. eg: https://www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/fax__multifunctionals/laser/laserbase_mf_series/i-sensys_mf8280cw.html?type=drivers&language=en&os=linux%20(64-bit)      for 64bit
[22:39] <kc2bez> so if you have a .deb file you can install it with gdebi
[22:40] <blamm00> genii, kc2bez yes I had to do some additional navigation and I have all the files for version 5.00 for Linux 64-bit
[22:41] <blamm00> (i also have v3.10 which is what was available the last time I did this under lubuntu 14.04)
[22:48] <blamm00> kc2bez, gdebi?
[22:49] <kc2bez> gdebi is a graphical tool to install .Deb packages.
[22:49] <blamm00> kc2bez, If i understand correctly, there are two parts. the CUPS driver and the Canon UFR driver. I've installed both of those from the package you linked.
[22:51] <blamm00> kc2bez, Yes, gdebi seems to be the program that opens up when I double click the 2 .deb packages (CUPS and UFR). The only option is reinstall and remove.
[22:53] <blamm00> Whats a little unclears is which CUPS .deb file to install? There are 49 of them in those Canon packages
[22:57] <kc2bez> I am not sure blamm00 I haven't checked but usually the .Deb package takes care of that part for you.
[22:58] <blamm00> ok ill poke around for a bit more and see. I'll probably be back later
[22:59] <blamm00> ty kc2bez and genii


[12:11] <bregma> cool again this morning, but the dog was unwell after eating too much ick yesterday and we didn;t go for a walk
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[16:07] <dscassel> Morning. :)
[16:18]  * genii-around slides dscassel a large mug of coffee
[16:20] <dscassel> genii-around: Thanks. :)
[22:59] <naijaura> i love ubuntu


[06:50] <RikMills> fvogt_vps: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/2.34-0ubuntu3
[06:50] <RikMills> looks like that is happening, assuming all the QA tests on reverse dependencies don't blow up
 whoops. FTBFS on amd64 🙄
[10:00] <RikMills> built on a retry


[00:20] <jappiecr1> anybody know where I can find a good teacher manual in Spanish; that is for teachers to get an idea how and with what they can start developing lessons...
[07:53] <alkisg> Good morning
[14:09] <kataq> what is the difference between #ubuntu and #edubuntu?
[14:28] <kataq>  guess not
[14:40] <ofirk> hi :)
[14:40] <ofirk> is there someone here that can help me with a LTSP issue?
[14:53] <mhall119> morning
[16:14] <highvoltage> good morning everyone
[16:45] <coz_> hey guys...something odd has been ocurring since this past weeks updates... I am now getting a whole list of packages that want to be removed... and all of them are default install packages....
[16:45] <coz_> just clean installed and removed the usual applications I normally remove with edubuntu...but only since this weeks updates has this problem been ocurring
[16:47] <coz_> here is what the system wants to remove    http://pastebin.com/EuQwvpS5
[16:48] <coz_> if I do that ^^   then the least of the issues become system font rendering
[17:09] <jappiecr> I am setting up a compu lab for a school in Costa Rica. I (kind of) have the server up and running, that is my thin clients boot and can I can log in using different usernames on different thin clients and all works beautiful!
[17:12] <jappiecr> Now the challanges that I run in to: 1) The Thin Client Manager does not show my thin clients.. 2) I am just a hobbiest that wants to make a little difference but I am not a Teacher. I am really missing a manual for day to day use that I can show the teachers (for Spanish speaking educators with very, very limited educational recources and training!)
[17:16] <jappiecr> When I read about Edubuntu this is what i understood from it: A teacher can create a list of students, assign students to groups (classes/levels) and customize the programs available to those groups. So in day to day use, the teacher would sit the students down behind the screens. Take control of the screens and show the group todays lesson and that give control back to the thin clients so the students can do their work. Meanwhle, the teacher can mon
[17:16] <jappiecr> itor from her screen  what thye students are doing and if needed help out or gain control....Am I right so far or did I misunderstood?
[17:18] <jappiecr> So far I have been trying configure everything using the 3 different (?!?!) programs; Profile manager, profile editor and lockdown editor....
[17:21] <coz_> jappiecr,   what I do know is that you will have to stick around for answers to a question...generally  most people here are doing things and check into the channel at different intervals
[17:22] <jappiecr> Ok, so I followed the manual and have somewhat set it. Made  profile for Students and teachers (+ one for adminsitrator), assigned different user to to those groups in Profile Manager and here I am...NO CLUE where to go from here!!
[17:22] <jappiecr> coz: no problem I can wait:-)
[17:23] <coz_> jappiecr, :)
[17:23] <jappiecr> ay, I am teacher....what do I do? How do I setup my class?, control thin clients? etc, etc...
[17:25] <coz_> jappiecr,  the last time I asked a question it took over an hour ..and I just asked one about 1/2 hour ago :)   I would sit back and grade papers or listen to music while you wait  :)
[17:28] <jappiecr> all is good! We do what we can when we can.....I hope there are more people out there walking into the same challanges!
[17:28] <coz_> jappiecr,   my guess is that there are... and most likely a simple solution
[17:30] <jappiecr> Coz: I hope so! But even with the GCompris suite I setup the adm. section and say that clients need to login but when I log in from a TC as a student, there is no login required...as you said; most likely a simple solution if you know what, where and how:-)
[17:30] <jappiecr> Patience is a beautiful thing!
[17:34] <coz_> jappiecr,  yes :)  in the mean time maybe read here ?  http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ltsp-thin-clients-made-easy
[18:19] <jappiecr> coz_: I have 2 NIC's eth0= for INternet and eth1 = for TC network. In my "Network Connections" it only shows 1 connection (eth0) and this gets an auto IP. The ot
[18:19] <coz_> mmm
[18:19] <coz_> jappiecr,   not sure what the issue is... I would again stick around and see what the guys say here :)
[18:20] <jappiecr> eth1 I configured to a 10.0.30. network range and all seems to be working. That is my TC's boot and I get to do everything on them. The only thng is that my Network Icon in the upper Panel dissapeard and I cannot seem to get it back...
[18:21] <coz_> jappiecr,  make sure the notification area applet is there
[18:23] <coz_> jappiecr,  sorry that is the wrong applet... ah I forget what you have to do to get that back  since it is not under the applets menu
[18:23] <coz_> brb  have to pick someone up
[18:23] <jappiecr> coz_: CUL
[19:54] <jappiecr> what would be the Classroom Control package for teachers to use in Edubuntu 10.04 ltsp setup?
[19:55] <mhall119> iTalc I think
[20:01] <stgraber> Meeting time !
[20:05] <Lns> woooOOOOOOO
[20:06] <Lns> =)
[20:06] <dinda> quick questio while we wait for meeting stuff:  can the all the "K" applications be used in regular Ubuntu?  or do you need to be running Kubuntu?
[20:07] <coz_> dinda,  you mean like any of the kde applications in ubuntu with gnome?
[20:07] <dinda> coz_: yes, exactly
[20:08] <mhall119> dinda: yes
[20:08] <coz_> dinda,  sure but if you install them onto gnome/ubuntu  they will pull down all of the required kde libraries
[20:08] <mhall119> you'll just need the QT and possible KDE libs
[20:08] <dinda> ok, was wondering how that worked
[20:09] <mhall119> like magic ;)
[20:09] <coz_> dinda,  in al honesty.. I switched to edubuntu  because I believe there is better performance than if I installed the necessary kde libraries onto an existing ubuntu...could be my imagination:)
[20:09]  * dinda likes magic :)
[20:10] <dinda> coz_: interesting, trying to see what a recommended solution would be for a school or teacher who wants those apps
[20:10] <coz_> dinda,   you dont want edubuntu?
[20:10] <mhall119> dinda: they'll even run on Xfce
[20:11] <coz_> dinda,  whichever version of ubuntu you install  ...then installing any kde application...as I said...will pull down all the necessary kde dependencies required
[20:15] <coz_> dinda,  so just sudo apt-get install nameofapplication and go  :)
[20:16] <coz_> hey guys let me bring this up again   ...something odd has been ocurring since this past weeks updates... I am now getting a whole list of packages that want to be removed... and all of them are default install packages....
[20:16] <coz_> just clean installed and removed the usual applications I normally remove with edubuntu...but only since this weeks updates has this problem been ocurring
[20:16] <coz_> here is what the system wants to remove    http://pastebin.com/EuQwvpS5
[20:17] <mhall119> coz_: the team is having a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting right now, so it may take a bit
[20:17] <coz_> mhall119,   no problem at all... I can post this later
[23:47] <mhall119> dinda: ping


[03:04] <alex_mayorga> hello all, how do I deactivate the system "beep" it "rings" even if I have the system sound muted
[03:04] <tumbleweed__> has anyone packaged latencytop for hardy yet?
[03:05] <tumbleweed__> System -> preferences -> sound -> system beep
[03:05] <tumbleweed__> ;/
[03:05] <alex_mayorga> tumbleweed__, remember me from saturday??
[03:05] <tumbleweed__> mmmmm
[03:05] <tumbleweed__> don't think so
[03:05] <tumbleweed__> but I'm kind of out of it
[03:06] <tumbleweed__> you'll have to refresh my memory
[03:06] <alex_mayorga> shouldn't the Fn+mute button turn out the system beep as well?
[03:06] <tumbleweed__> nope
[03:06] <tumbleweed__> different device entirely
[03:07] <tumbleweed__> the pc speaker isn't controlled by the soundcard
[03:07] <alex_mayorga> about mixing up the KDE, GNOME, XFCE icons when installing *ubuntu-desktop from other *ubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <tumbleweed__> oh
[03:07] <tumbleweed__> right
[03:07] <tumbleweed__> I'm bad with names
[03:08] <alex_mayorga> not a prob, I was probably using a different handle back then
[03:08] <alex_mayorga> I feel like that "bug" warrants a blueprint or something, but I'm really not familiar with ubuntu processes :S
[03:09]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[03:09] <tumbleweed__> I would like some milk from the milkman's wife's tits.
[03:10] <tumbleweed__> oh how rude of me
[03:10] <tumbleweed__> "tits"
[03:10] <alex_mayorga> known bug? Firefox 3 won't "register" under System -> Prefs ->Preferred Apps
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[03:11] <alex_mayorga> tumbleweed__. you lost me there, sorry
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> not sure
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> there is another way to do it, though
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> you want to use it instead of firefox?
[03:11] <alex_mayorga> English not my first tongue
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> ah
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> I was talking about breasts
[03:11] <alex_mayorga> always a good thing I believe
[03:11] <tumbleweed__> like I said, I'm out of it
[03:12] <tumbleweed__> I thought the cashier was a unix command and I kept trying to punch out man cashier on the debit thing
[03:12] <alex_mayorga> would you vote on such a "bug" on the mixed *untu-desktops
[03:12] <tumbleweed__> mmmm
[03:12] <tumbleweed__> not bug
[03:13] <tumbleweed__> "enhancement"
[03:13] <alex_mayorga> feature request maybe
[03:13] <alex_mayorga> then how to file it, blueprint or bug?
[03:13] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[03:13] <tumbleweed__> you've got me there ;/
[03:13] <tumbleweed__> bug
[03:13] <alex_mayorga> to late for hardy, already?
[03:13] <tumbleweed__> nope
[03:14] <alex_mayorga> OK. I'll file it and let you know in case you're interested
[03:15] <alex_mayorga> should I consult somewhere else first?
[03:17] <alex_mayorga> tumbleweed__, would you share the hack to register FF3 as default?
[03:17] <tumbleweed__> alex_mayorga : I'm unsure if it actually works, but update-alternatives --config firefox
[03:17] <tumbleweed__> try it out
[03:18] <tumbleweed__> errr
[03:18] <tumbleweed__> sudo
[03:18] <blkorpheus> or set it in preferred applications
[03:18] <tumbleweed__> blkorpheus : he just said it doesn't show up
[03:19] <tumbleweed__> ;/
[03:20] <blkorpheus> sorry just popped in
[03:20] <alex_mayorga> blkorpheus, doesn't show there, I'm actually wondering if it's a known bugger
[03:20] <blkorpheus> the whole preferred face doe snot appear, weird
[03:20] <alex_mayorga> can someone replicate?
[03:20] <blkorpheus> shows on mine
[03:21] <blkorpheus> whihc is how I set FF3 as my default browser
[03:21] <blkorpheus> you have to choose Custom web browser
[03:21] <blkorpheus> do you even get the preferred aplications dialog?
[03:21] <blkorpheus> thats what I'm not understanding
[03:22] <blkorpheus> ???
[03:24] <tumbleweed__> brb, herb
[03:24] <alex_mayorga> yes, I get the preferred "applet"
[03:25] <alex_mayorga> but the only option in there is Firefox and Custom
[03:25] <alex_mayorga> I feel like FF3 should show as well, shouldn't it?
[03:36] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga: No, not really
[03:36] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga: FF3 will replace FF2 eventually
[03:38] <DarkMageZ> is firefox 3 likely to replace firefox 2 for 8.04 release?
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> my understanding is FF2 and FF3 would coexist, at least for a while, like FF1 and FF2, am I wrong?
[03:51] <dehspehl> alex_mayorga: yeah, as far as development goes but FF2 is done as far as features
[04:01] <wastrel> i filed a bug and upstream fixed it - haven't seen an update for a couple of days, should i worry that the fix isn't going to make it into hardy?  (universe package)
[04:04] <DarkMageZ> wastrel, see if the bug exists on launchpad. if it does then poke the bug. if not then file it noting there's a patch upstream.
[04:05] <wastrel> i put it in launchpad :]
[04:05] <wastrel> that's how upstream found out about it
[04:06] <DarkMageZ> ah. so upstream commented on the bug saying it was fixed? all you need to do is poke a motu with a stick.
[04:06] <DarkMageZ> or in my case. poke them over and over until one of them started to bleed ?
[06:00] <underwatercow> Are there any serious issues with Hardy currently? ie. if I were to run an upgrade now, would I regret it?
[06:09] <alteregolio> i think maximus prime works
[06:13] <IcemanV9> underwatercow: read the /topic, then decide if it is worth the trip or not :)
[06:35] <underwatercow> IcemanV9: I did, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to have it deleting my games or X again... ;-D
[06:47] <IcemanV9> underwatercow: back it up then ... ^_^
[06:51] <underwatercow> IcemanV9: Naturally. ;-D Just like to know if I should expect issues so I can plan around it.
[06:52] <underwatercow> Is there a noticeable difference in the new Xorg? Or is it mostly under the hood?
[06:53] <IcemanV9> underwatercow: i haven't try the upgrade yet ... plan to do that later .. probably this weekend. install fresh works (at least for me)
[06:57] <underwatercow> IcemanV9: Yeah... I suppose that wouldn't complicate things too much... Do you know if there is a way to find out which programs you have changes from a default install...
[06:57] <underwatercow> changed*
[06:57] <underwatercow> that is
[06:57] <underwatercow> removed or installed
[06:57] <underwatercow> from the repo
[06:57] <alteregolio> who invented the tux?
[06:59] <IcemanV9> underwatercow: i just changed to a different mirror ... i haven't play with it for a while now. :/
[10:08] <milian> is the new .24 kernel integrated in hardy?
[10:09] <milian> and will it be made available for gutsy users?
[10:11] <avatar_> % uname -a
[10:11] <avatar_> Linux estate 2.6.24-4-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 14 17:30:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:11] <avatar_> yes, 2.6.24 is in hardy
[10:11] <avatar_> and afaik it wil not be in the repositories for gutsy
[10:12] <milian> ty
[10:24] <alteregolio> whats the name of this searchengine?
[10:25] <alteregolio> it finds also wrong typo stuff
[10:27] <ccooke> alteregolio: ... is that an Ubuntu Hardy question?
[10:32] <alteregolio> the search applet
[10:33] <alteregolio> bayoran text regconition or something
[11:10] <bardyr> hey
[11:11] <bardyr> i have some problems with the latest kernel updates, when i boot it freezes and i need to hit the power bottom and hold/hit keys for it for it to boot
[11:11] <bardyr> and can it be that the kernel sources/headers are missing?
[11:23] <bardyr> does anyone know if nautilus + sftp is broken? i suddenly get Access denied on all my sftp shares
[11:24] <DarkMageZ> bardyr, if that's the only way nautilus is brokenzed for you then you're doing well :p
[11:24] <DarkMageZ> bardyr, does Places > Network load for you?
[11:25] <bardyr> nope
[13:36] <slytherin> I asked this yesterday also and got some help. But I need tested again to test 'nautilus-open-terminal' package. :-)
[13:45] <bardyr> slytherin, sure what do you need?
[13:46] <slytherin> bardyr: This extension is currently not working in hardy. I have prepared the fix. I want someone to test the package. Can you please refer bug 185435
[13:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185435 in nautilus-open-terminal "nautilus-open-terminal no longer works in Hardy" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185435
[13:47] <bardyr> slytherin, refer?
[13:49] <slytherin> bardyr: I mean read it once. I have links for the package added in that bug.
[13:51] <bardyr> slytherin, is your ppa nautilus-open-terminal_0.8-1ubuntu2~ppa1_i386.deb okay?
[13:51] <slytherin> bardyr: Yes it is.
[13:53] <bardyr> where should the terminal option be :/
[13:55] <slytherin> bardyr: You will need to restart nautilus, either 'killall nautilus' or relogin. The open terminal option should show in right click menu in any folder or even on desktop
[13:57] <bardyr> oh, works
[13:57] <slytherin> bardyr: any nautilus crashes?
[13:57] <bardyr> slytherin, nope even tried to reproduce the trash segfault
[13:58] <slytherin> bardyr: Good. Thanks for testing. :-)
[13:58] <bardyr> np
[14:00] <bardyr> slytherin, this is actually a pretty nice feature :D
[14:00] <slytherin> bardyr: And you never knew it?
[14:00] <bardyr> slytherin, no, usually i just copy/pasted the location
[14:01] <slytherin> bardyr: Can you add comment to the bug that package from my PPA works. So I will have some moral support. :-P
[14:01] <bardyr> yea
[14:08] <emgent> someone know how to downgrade (hardy-gutsy) in clean mode?
[14:18] <bazhang> !downgrade
[14:18] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[14:51] <Filibberdy> hi all, does anyone know of any outstanding issues with sun's jdk and firefox? Im having trouble getting applets to load
[14:52] <slytherin> Filibberdy: What is error exactly?
[14:53] <Filibberdy> slytherin, nothing, applets just dont load
[14:53] <Filibberdy> about:config shows java's as installed and working
[14:53] <Filibberdy> but i just get blank spaces where the applets should be
[14:53] <slytherin> Filibberdy: Anything to do with some sort of proxy settings?
[14:55] <Filibberdy> no proxy settings, works fine in Edgy on the same pc
[14:57] <slytherin> Filibberdy: As far as I know there are no outstanding issues. Can you paste the output of about:plugins somewhere? A screenshot perhaps
[14:57] <Oli``> Is is a bug or a "feature" that the Window List panel-applet will *only* show windows from all desktops?
[14:58] <LeeJunFan> Anyone got a radeon working with hardy right now? Just installed, have to use vesa drivers :( radeon doesn't start, fglrx locks. The generated xorg.conf looks absent a lot of config options, but even my working config from gutsy doesn't work.
[14:58] <slytherin> Oli``: What do you mean by 'only' what else do you expect?
[14:58] <Filibberdy> i'll try slytherin
[14:58] <slytherin> LeeJunFan: Which radeon?
[14:58] <LeeJunFan> 9700 mobility
[14:59] <crdlb> what happens exactly if you use radeon?
[15:00] <Oli``> slytherin: Well the default is just to show windows from the current desktop. Now if I open a window on Desktop 2, there's an entry for it on Desktop 1 3 and 4's window lists
[15:00] <slytherin> Oli``: Of course then it is a bug
[15:00] <LeeJunFan> crdlb: Xorg.log says no usable modes found
[15:01] <Oli``> slytherin: there's a setting in its preferences, but that seems to not do anything for me.. Does the same happen for anybody else?
[15:01] <slytherin> Oli``: I don't have access to hardy machine at present so can't confirm
[15:01] <Filibberdy> LeeJunFan: have you tried putting Option "AGPMode" "4" in your xorg.conf,in the Device section?
[15:03] <LeeJunFan> not yet.
[15:03] <LeeJunFan> my old config didn't have it.
[15:04] <LeeJunFan> Filibberdy: I'll give it a try and brb. I need to cp my log X log anyway.
[15:05] <Filibberdy> slytherin: http://flibberdy.co.uk/plugs.html
[15:06] <Filibberdy> i'll brb
[15:11] <Flibberdy> slytherin: see anything odd in my about:config ?
[15:12] <slytherin> Flibberdy: That page times out for me. :-( Why don't you paste the screenshot at picfu.com
[15:15] <Flibberdy> http://picfu.com/link/1903/46783a8e77713659 slytherin
[15:18] <slytherin> finalbeta: Damn. The ridiculous content filtering system in my office. :-( Sorry can't help you here
[15:20] <Flibberdy> it's ok
[15:20] <Flibberdy> i'll just keep bashing away until i get something working
[15:20] <blkorpheus> well you guy broke liferea
[15:20] <blkorpheus> ughh
[15:21] <Flibberdy> it's a bit worrying that you couldn'tconnect to my website slytherin, my host must be having issues
[15:23] <slytherin> finalbeta: What does this command say - ls -l /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so
[15:24] <Flibberdy> can't check at the mo, i've had to reboot into a working OS so i can continue working on my applets :)
[15:25] <Flibberdy> I'll be back later when i'm back in trouble shooting mode
[15:25] <Flibberdy> thanks for your help
[15:25] <slytherin> Flibberdy: Ok. See you tomorrow same time if possible
[15:29] <DanaG> http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/linuxppc/patch?id=16345
[15:29] <DanaG> yay, somebody else realizes the CFS scheduler screwed-up-ness.
[15:30] <LeeJunFan> okay, here's my Xorg.log and xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53460/
[15:31] <LeeJunFan> Adding Driver "radeon" gives the output seen in the pastebin.
[15:31] <LeeJunFan> actually, leaving no driver does the same thing.
[15:31] <mrbrdo_> hey, how can i upgrade Kubuntu gutsy to hardy?
[15:31] <senorpedro> hi ho
[15:31] <DanaG> I'm also getting some apps freezing momentarily on open or close.
[15:32] <DanaG> For example, when I'm starting my Gnome session, Pidgin freezes for a few seconds, until I get impatient and kill it.
[15:34] <mrbrdo_> come on how do i upgrade to hardy
[15:34] <Flibberdy> mrbrdo_: iirc it's sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d
[15:34] <mrbrdo_> all the wiki docs are for ubuntu, none for kubuntu or apt-get
[15:34] <DanaG> !aptitude
[15:34] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[15:34] <mrbrdo_> Flibberdy will that change my repositories though?
[15:34] <Flibberdy> mrbrdo_: i haven't the foggiest, i installed from scratch
[15:34] <DanaG> Also, apport won't let me even see backtraces if I have old versions of packages.
[15:35] <Flibberdy> LeeJunFan: it sounds like you need to set up some video modes for your monitor
[15:36] <Flibberdy> have you tried running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:36] <LeeJunFan> Flibberdy: yeah, I just found this too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/141539
[15:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141539 in ubuntu "X fails to start with ATI Radeon 9100 IGP" [Undecided,New]
[15:38] <Flibberdy> LeeJunFan: I used the OnTheEdge drivers to fix my X issues with the new ati driver
[15:38] <LeeJunFan> not familiar with OnTheEdge drivers.(?)
[15:40] <LeeJunFan> Flibberdy: where can I find more info on that?
[15:42] <Flibberdy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge LeeJunFan
[15:42] <LeeJunFan> Flibberdy: thanks, I'll look into that.
[15:42] <bardyr> how come Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0b05:1706 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. WL-167G 802.11g Adapter [ralink] wont work with the latest rt2x00 drivers, i dont even try to use the card, its like it does not have the pci id for the card or something
[15:46] <DanaG> Well, 2.6.24-5-generic is very slightly better, but not much.
[15:47] <mrbrdo_> is KDE4 any more stable in hardy?
[15:47] <bardyr> DanaG, is -5 released? :D
[15:47] <mrbrdo_> it crashes all the time on my gutsy, even when i do something like open Konsole, or Firefox
[15:47] <bardyr> DanaG, been waiting on a kernel after the last couple days filling kernel updates
[15:47] <DanaG> The separate packages have all been released, but the linux-generic metapackage has not been pointed at them.
[15:48] <LeeJunFan> Flibberdy: that did it! Thanks a bunch. Now everything seems so tiny at 1650x1080 compared to 640x480 :)
[15:48] <bardyr> DanaG, it has now
[15:48] <bardyr> :)
[15:48] <bardyr> is the 2.6.24-5 kernel build against the released 2.6.24 kernel?
[15:49] <DanaG> ANother weird thing with Hardy: when I enter my password into GDM, it sits there for about 2 to 5 seconds before logging in.
[15:49] <DanaG> okay, linux-image-generic now also needs update.
[15:49] <DanaG> oh, it has been.
[16:02] <blkorpheus> thx did not know we have a newer kernel verison
[16:02] <blkorpheus> still using -3-server
[16:02] <blkorpheus> -4-server was broken
[16:02] <blkorpheus> lets see if -5 works
[16:11] <wastrel> i have hardy
[16:12] <flipstar> kewl
[16:17] <blkorpheus> new server kernel is broken as well
[16:23] <kripken> hmm, login and logout sounds are now working after the latest update. Still no sound at the login screen itself though
[16:41] <mrbrdo_> what's the proper way for beryl or whatever is the best now, on KDE4?
[16:41] <mrbrdo_> link would be fine
[16:53] <YangYin> hello could someone send me the repository link?
[16:54] <Pici> YangYin: ?
[16:54] <Pici> YangYin: What repo links?
[16:54] <YangYin> yeah
[16:55] <YangYin> pici deb http://ubuntu.something.something hardy
[16:55] <DanaG> forgot one part: the 'component'
[16:55] <DanaG> (as in main, universe, and such)
[16:56] <Pici> YangYin: hardy is on all the repo mirrors.  Please see the /topic.
[16:57] <YangYin> Pici: so there is no difference between the gutsy fiesty or heron so i could use fiesty?
[16:58] <blkorpheus> why do you hate the topic?
[16:58] <Pici> YangYin: I dont mean to be rude, but if you are confused about this you probably shouldn't be running Hardy.
[16:59] <YangYin> Pici: your not rude, thank you for your help though
[17:01] <YangYin> pici: sorry i was an idiot didn't see it
[17:03] <YangYin> Pici: right under my nose, im sorry.
[17:08] <flipstar> btw does it finally make a different if i upgrade trough all the alpha versions or install the final release ?
[17:09] <bazhang> no difference--just more breakage along the way :}
[17:09] <flipstar> oh :) okay just asking becourse updates never remove anythink
[17:10] <Pici> !final
[17:10] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there - firefox is taking 100% cpu for me on the default start page
[17:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in hardy
[17:12] <flipstar> the ff beta2 release ?
[17:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no firefox 2.0
[17:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh well I could also test the new one
[17:13] <flipstar> hm it is shipped with it :)
[17:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[17:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in help/about it says 2.0.0
[17:15] <flipstar> firefox 3 beta2 is already out..give it a try ;)
[17:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok but will it use my old config?
[17:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> shall I rename it?
[17:15] <flipstar> i think it uses the old config
[17:15] <flipstar> bookmarks and so
[17:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thank you trying
[17:16] <wastrel> hi
[17:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I renamed my old config
[17:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in any case firefox 2
[17:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> with my old config does NOT take 100% cpu
[17:17] <gileswwwrk> heya is the -virtual kernel used for xen in hardy?
[17:58] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else having this problem ?? http://pastebin.com/m28f04405
[18:08] <Gnine> 64bit version Fspot is working nicely
[18:10] <DanaG> Alsa_driver: error on capture pollfd.
[18:10] <DanaG> Alsa_driver: stat = fffffffc, xrun of at least    0.072 ms
[18:10] <Gnine> 32bit version Fspot still has issues running slideshow
[18:57] <underwatercow> After I upgraded to Hardy, I can't remote desktop... doesn't anyone know why this is?
[18:58] <flipstar> you cant connect to a remote desktop or others can not connect ?
[19:00] <underwatercow> I ran the upgrade over remote connection
[19:00] <underwatercow> would that cause a problem?
[19:00] <flipstar> oh not necessary but possible
[19:01] <flipstar> so you dont have physically access to the machine ?
[19:01] <underwatercow> I'm at school now, so not until later
[19:01] <underwatercow> ;-D
[19:02] <underwatercow> I can ssh though
[19:02] <underwatercow> the remote desktop and firewall settings appear fine
[19:02] <underwatercow> so I'm wondering if the server isn't running
[19:03] <flipstar> hm maybe there was an configuration problem during the upgrade
[19:03] <underwatercow> So the question is how to fix it... I'm not sure how to tell if the server is running
[19:03] <underwatercow> or how to fix it if it's not
[19:04] <flipstar> why dont you start that server again over the remote desktop ?
[19:05] <underwatercow> I'm not sure what ubuntu uses
[19:05] <underwatercow> it doesn't seem to use vncserver
[19:05] <underwatercow> it's vino something isn't it?
[19:06] <flipstar> my favourite is x11vnc
[19:06] <underwatercow> if you go into preferences, remote desktop
[19:06] <underwatercow> it is using a particular server
[19:06] <underwatercow> I'm not sure what that is
[19:07] <flipstar> yeah but there are graphical..
[19:07] <underwatercow> yes... but what server do the settings correspond with?
[19:07] <flipstar> krfb is the command for that
[19:07] <underwatercow> what would I run manually?
[19:08] <flipstar> krfb .. but you need to configure it graphically
[19:08] <underwatercow> that's what ubuntu uses for it's vnc server?
[19:08] <underwatercow> gnome?
[19:09] <flipstar> no kde, sry
[19:10] <flipstar> for gnome its vino ..
[20:30] <mrbrdo_> hey
[20:31] <mrbrdo_> i installed xorg-driver-fglrx
[20:31] <mrbrdo_> but lsmod does not show fglrx
[20:31] <mrbrdo_> using hardy of course
[20:33] <crdlb> mrbrdo_: make sure you have linux-generic installed (assuming you're using the generic kernel)
[20:33] <crdlb> if you do, try sudo modprobe fglrx
[20:34] <NoelJB> firefox is no longer launched when I try to click a URL on the desktop, and no longer allows me to drop a URL on the desktop.  Anyone know if this is a known issue, and if not, where to look for the cause?
[20:35] <NoelJB> In the latter case, I get "Drag and drop is only supported on local file systems" when trying to drop the URL.
[20:36] <NoelJB> This broken with a recent update.  Was working previously.  Nothing found by Google search, so far.
[20:36] <crdlb> NoelJB: nautilus has pretty much been rewritten
[20:36] <crdlb> to use gio
[20:36] <crdlb> so some things are broken :)
[20:37] <NoelJB> crdlb, :-)  I can deal with broken during an alpha.  :-)  So it is nautilus.  Had a feeling.  Do you know if this has been opened on launchpad?  I'll subscribe to a bug report if one exists.
[20:37] <crdlb> I'm sure there is a bug or two about the various regressions :)
[20:38] <NoelJB> LOL
[20:50] <NoelJB> crdlb, submitted.  I didn't see any dups, but if there is one, I'm sure they'll mark it.
[21:00] <UnNaturalHigh> any of you know of a decent svn gui client?
[21:34] <e_r_c_e> hello, i once more :)
[21:35] <e_r_c_e> i have to install glade
[21:35] <e_r_c_e> so i typed sudo apt-get install glade
[21:35] <e_r_c_e> then, it typed this:
[21:35] <e_r_c_e> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53492/
[21:38] <fred_2> 'is another process using it?'
[21:38] <Leechzilla> Any chance of blu-ray support in Hardy?
[21:39] <e_r_c_e> fred_2: i didn't run any APT, i just started my comp..-
[21:39] <fred_2> do you have autoupdate enabled <?
[21:39] <e_r_c_e> nope
[21:40] <e_r_c_e> it doesnt do anythink only notify me
[21:45] <bardyr> is there any known issues with nautilus and gnome-vfs? i cant connect to sftp sites, all i get is Access Denied
[21:49] <e_r_c_e> g00d night =)
[21:51] <wastrel> there's autoupdate?
[21:54] <atlef> i am surprised how stable this install of xubuntu daily build is, everything just works so far.
[21:55] <fred_2> ack
[22:01] <nacho_> hi
[22:02] <nacho_> i found a missing dependency in anjuta
[22:02] <nacho_> g++ should be a dependency because is needed for symbol browser
[22:02] <nacho_> plugin
[22:04] <crimsun> ...a C++ compiler is necessary?
[22:04] <nacho_> it seems
[22:04] <crimsun> g++ is already Recommended
[22:04] <nacho_> i can't generate the global tags without the g++ compiler
[22:05] <crimsun> strange, cpp itself isn't enough?
[22:06] <nacho_> i think that no
[22:06] <nacho_> i already had cpp installed when i try to generate the tags
[22:06] <nacho_> did you try to generate the tags only with cpp?
[22:06] <nacho_> you can try to generate them with this command:
[22:06] <nacho_> /usr/share/anjuta/scripts/create_global_tags.sh
[22:10] <atlef> is it possible to take a "snapshot" of my system as it is now, before i apply the updates
[22:14] <crimsun> sure, with lvm.
[22:15] <crimsun> Nexenta does something similar with ZFS.
[22:15] <crimsun> and brr, asac's nm 0.7 snap really fscks associating with my encrypted APs.
[22:17] <blkorpheus> where can one find the gobuntu kernel, besides it's install disk? Is it in the repos?
[22:18] <crimsun> hmm?
[22:18] <crimsun> it's the same base kernel.
[22:18] <crimsun> linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic for the desktop image.
[22:19] <crimsun> nacho_: I don't have anjuta installed.  Can you confirm that g++ is absolutely necessary?
[22:20] <nacho_> i'll try it uninstalling it
[22:20] <crimsun> nacho_: i.e., removing the 'g++-4.2' package causes the procedure to fail.
[22:20] <blkorpheus> the generic kernel has non free blobs right?
[22:20] <blkorpheus> I was informed that gobuntu has a kernel without those blobs
[22:21] <blkorpheus> thus, not the regular generic kernel?
[22:21] <crimsun> Hmm, that would be new to me.  Which blobs are missing, then?
[22:21] <nacho_> crimsun, yep
[22:21] <blkorpheus> the non-free ones?
[22:21] <nacho_> if i uninstall g++ i get lots of warning when i try to generate the tags
[22:21] <crimsun> blkorpheus: more precisely.
[22:21] <crimsun> nacho_: warnings or errors?
[22:22] <blkorpheus><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:22] <crimsun> blkorpheus: the only bits I know offhand that /might/ be suspect are the firmware.
[22:22] <blkorpheus> non-free firmware
[22:22] <nacho_> WARNING: Could not create tags file /home/jebe/.anjuta/tags/ORBit-CosNaming-2.0.anjutatags!
[22:22] <blkorpheus> yup
[22:22] <nacho_> that kind of warnings
[22:23] <nacho_> but i mean if i am going to program with anjuta only with c i don't need to know that i need to have installed g++ to add global tags
[22:24] <crimsun> nacho_: right, that's why it's currently an alternative.
[22:24] <crimsun> meaning an "alternate dependency"
[22:25] <crimsun> blkorpheus: that's still the case, and AFAIK, gobuntu doesn't use a separate one, but I don't mirror their development.
[22:25] <crimsun> e.g., cassini.ko is still part of linux.
[22:25] <crimsun> and is still shipped in -generic
[22:26] <crimsun> nacho_: for that matter, g++ /is/ a Recommended package for anjuta.
[22:26] <crimsun> that meta will pull in g++-4.2
[22:26] <nacho_> mmm, strange
[22:26] <crimsun> thus, using aptitude or apt-get to install anjuta will take care of that issue.
[22:26] <nacho_> yeah, maybe you're right
[22:26] <nacho_> yeah, but if i use gnome-devel
[22:26] <DanaG> WTF?  Gparted thinks my hard drive is unpartitioned.
[22:27] <nacho_> i am not going to get that information
[22:27] <nacho_> i think
[22:27] <DanaG> Well, I'm booted from it, so it must obviously be partitioned...
[22:28] <crimsun> DanaG: unless you used lvm on the raw block device.
[22:28] <DanaG> Nope.
[22:28] <DanaG> I just accidentally did something to my partition table.
[22:29] <DanaG> fdisk is fine and testdisk are fine, but cfdisk says: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition ends after end-of-disk
[22:29] <DanaG> And gparted is just mysteriously empty.
[22:31] <Sonicadvance1> eh....I seem to be missing a CPU core..this happened after a few updates yesterday.what's going on here? :P
[22:31] <crimsun> hmm?
[22:32] <crimsun> I wouldn't even be complaining.  5.9 hasn't been mirrored out yet.
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ @ 2.60GHz w/ 1024 KB L2 Cache]
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> one core! oh the horror
[22:32] <crimsun> like I said, 5.9 is still building.
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> wait..
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> 5.9 of what?
[22:33] <crimsun> linux.
[22:33] <Sonicadvance1> eh?
[22:33] <crimsun> which, heh, FTBFS due to a missing ABI bump.
[22:33] <odin__> Can someone please help me install 64 bit nvidia drivers?
[22:34] <crimsun> Sonicadvance1: linux is the name of the source package that generates your kernel images.
[22:34] <crimsun> e.g., http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11569528/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.linux_2.6.24-5.9_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:34] <DanaG> Aah, my extended partition extends beyond the end of the disk.
[22:35] <Sonicadvance1> oh, ha, right >.>
[22:35] <DanaG> I just installed a .5 something kernel; was that 32-bit only?
[22:35] <odin__> Can someone please help me install 64 bit nvidia drivers?
[22:36] <crimsun> DanaG: 5.8 is the latest that built.
[22:36] <odin__> I tried following some guide to install them, and it made things all screwed up
[22:37] <odin__> no one wants to help me? =(
[22:44] <DanaG> I fixed my partitions.
[22:45] <DanaG> I had to cfdisk dump, then feed the output back to it to find the error.  Then I fixed the error, and fed the fixed dump to it.
[23:40] <askand> !info wine
[23:40] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.53-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 34627 kB, installed size 107596 kB


[00:33] <davef> lol
[01:13] <penguin42> https://cdn.mastodon.org.uk/media_attachments/files/111/802/594/564/119/719/original/bb6fcec58b7d6df9.jpeg    looks like a train right?
[01:21] <davef> Train McBoaty Face
[01:22] <davef> *Trainy McBoaty Face
[01:29] <penguin42> right, bed I think - I have to make it first...