[00:02] <Apachez> oh great! https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1673
[00:06] <slackjeff> Hello! Sharing with you a program I created called (Hack TUITE) a minimalist, decentralized and static microblog!
[00:06] <slackjeff> Created in bash shell.
[00:06] <slackjeff> Github:
[00:06] <slackjeff> https://github.com/slackjeff/hacktuite
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, this channel is for Ubuntu support. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic to share your development projects
[00:09] <slackjeff> sorry
[00:11] <Apachez> anyone else in here experienced that alt+tab with csgo is broken in ubuntu 19.10? you can alt+tab out of the game but when you attempt to alt+tab back to the game (who runs in full screen) the game somehow is moved to the bottom of the screen and its not fully restored
[00:13] <Pazooza> Stick to LTS versions like 18.04.
[00:15] <oerheks> alt tab a full screen window, not sure that is a good thing to do
[00:17] <robroseknows> alright I'm back, still going through nividia drivers to check what works and what doesn't
[00:18] <Apachez> oerheks: worked fine up until 19.04
[00:18] <Apachez> so I dunno why ubuntu quality assurance is in regression for every new release
[00:19] <Apachez> was hoping that someone might have a solution
[00:19] <Apachez> rumours has it that gnome fixed something that broke but dunno when that fix will emerge within the ubuntu update system
[00:19] <Apachez> or if things will get broken until 20.04 is released
[00:20] <Apachez> changing to ubuntu in wayland didnt fix the alt+tab issue
[00:24] <robroseknows> why does apt install nvidia-driver-418 say it installs nvidia-driver-430?
[00:24] <oerheks> or you are looking in the wrong direction, steam/valve issue
[00:26] <Apachez> if it worked in all version up to and including 19.04 and the only change is upgraded in 19.10, do you think its an ubuntu issue or a steam issue?
[00:28] <longus_catus> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 19.10 from... 19.04.  How do I get the Japanese kanji fonts to be higher priority than the Chinese ones?  I'm seeing the wrong variants
[00:30] <dpward> Is #ubuntu-kernel still logged? The channel topic says so, but the latest file on irclogs.ubuntu.com is dated 22 August 2019.
[00:57] <eLJay> Hey, I'm having trouble with accessing a USB device using hidapi, it worked once on every USB port but then reports "Could not open device with index: 0, check device permissions" even sudo'ing doesn't help...
[00:57] <eLJay> I've added the appropriate rule to my udev rules and reloaded, I also restarted my system.
[00:57] <eLJay> i got the vendor id from lsusb
[01:02] <eLJay> how can I reset the rights of that usb device? I've exhausted all my phyiscal usb ports
[01:10] <JustTheDoctor> Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS im doing a command via ssh, the command is node test.js (so im typing in console as root, node test.js)
[01:10] <robroseknows> tomreyn: hey you there? thought I had the issue solved but I can't install any nvidia drivers without it reoccurring.
[01:10] <JustTheDoctor> how do i log ALL of the output or reply to a file (reply.txt)
[01:11] <eLJay> "node test.js > output.txt"
[01:11] <akk> JustTheDoctor: If you want to capture everything, both what you type and the output, you can run: script filename
[01:11] <akk> which will give you a new shell, then run the ssh command inside that shell
[01:12] <akk> and when you exit the shell (after the ssh command is finished and anything else you want to do), the output will all be in that filename.
[01:12] <eLJay> running your server with root permissions is no bueno though
[01:13] <JustTheDoctor> akk, lets say i want to type node test.js and EVERYTHING it replies goes to test.log, i know its something like node test.js > test.log but not everything goes to that file, is there a way i can do that?
[01:13] <akk> JustTheDoctor: If there's anything coming out on stderr instead of stdout, > won't redirect it unless you add a 2>&1 at the end of the command.
[01:27] <eLJay> any suggestion on how to get permissions on a usb device?
[01:28] <Bashing-om> eLJay: Depends a lot on the file system on that USB device.
[01:29] <eLJay> Bashing-om: it's not a storage device
[01:29] <eLJay> I'm trying to interface with it using hidapi
[01:29] <akk> eLJay: udev is usually the answer, but unfortunately nothing is ever easy with udev.
[01:31] <eLJay> akk: I have setup rules like so:
[01:31] <Bashing-om> eLJay: If it is a linux file system on the USB, then might be best to "chown" the directory to "you" to have the access rights.
[01:32] <eLJay> SUBSYSTEM=="usb" ATTR{idVendor]=="045E", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev"
[01:32] <eLJay> I'm member of the plugdev group
[01:33] <eLJay> the vendor id matches(checked via lsusb)
[01:33] <eLJay> it worked once running root but after that even root is denied access :/
[01:34] <eLJay> the rules are loaded last(as in they've the largest starting id in the filename)
[01:34] <akk> eLJay: I'm no help, I always struggle with udev and things that seem like they should work, don't.
[01:34] <eLJay> that typo in the rule is due to me
[01:34] <akk> Sorry
[01:34] <eLJay> (as in the file is actually valid)
[01:36] <oerheks> i see ATTR{idVendor} but not ATTR{idProduct}
[01:37] <eLJay> oerheks: that's true, afaik this should give access to all devices of that vendor
[01:38] <eLJay> hmm okay, so I just manually chown'ed all /dev/hidraw devices and chmod'ed them to 0666 (essentially what should've been done by the udev rule) and yet I still cant access them...
[01:39] <Bashing-om> eLJay: A thought - with the devise mounted -"who" owns the mount point ?
[01:40] <eLJay> Bashing-om: thanks for your input, but it's not a storage device, no mounting, no filesystem.
[01:41] <oerheks> most likely the kinect range
[01:42] <Bashing-om> eLJay: K; so much for entering the conversation in the middle :P
[01:56] <eightyone> hi #ubuntu.
[01:58] <pnwise> Why is that adduser always use /root for home?
[01:58] <pnwise> Even when try to specify home folder?
[01:59] <pnwise> And can't change it with usermod either
[01:59] <pnwise> Tries on vps and my laptop too
[03:18] <whislock> pnwise: It doesn't. I'm not sure why you're seeing that.
[03:18] <pnwise> Yeah it does, when logged as root
[03:18] <pnwise> Not tested with sudo yet
[03:18] <pnwise> As I moved to other stuff
[03:20] <whislock> Okay. But it doesn't.
[03:20] <pnwise> sudo created it with the home of the one that ran the adduser command
[03:20] <pnwise> so the same
[03:21] <pnwise> it uses $HOME of the user who ran the command
[03:21] <pnwise> that is with i3wm, and the other one is just server
[03:21] <pnwise> if it matters at all
[03:22] <whislock> I an assure you that it doesn't. So if it's creating user homedirs in /root, something else is seriously amiss.
[03:22] <pnwise> You assume me that it does not happen *on yout machine*
[03:22] <pnwise> it does not create them in /root
[03:22] <pnwise> it sets wrong $HOME
[03:22] <pnwise> for new users
[03:23] <pnwise> otherwise creates the right dirs
[03:23] <whislock> I assume based on how the operating system has worked for a decade, Debian before that, and the thousands of Ubuntu instances I've managed.
[03:23] <pnwise> If you can please run adduser testuser, then "sudo -u testuser bash" and "echo $HOME"
[03:24] <whislock> Ah. Executing a shell that way won't source the new user's profile. That's normal behavior.
[03:24] <pnwise> yeah but is not on any other distro
[03:26] <whislock> You'll find a line in /etc/sudoers that says something to the tune of "Defaults env_keep += HOME"
[03:26] <whislock> Comment that out.
[03:26] <whislock> That will adjust the behavior to what you're more accustomed to.
[03:27] <whislock> Though I will also advise you to learn how to use sudo properly, if you're intending to assume the new user's environment.
[03:27] <whislock> sudo -u <user> -i
[03:27] <whislock> It's similar to the difference between 'su' and 'su -'.
[03:29] <pnwise> Thanks
[03:32] <pnwise> sudoers does not have lines reagrding HOME
[03:33] <whislock> Most likely because Ubuntu's configuration assumes the presence of the -H flag if you want to assume $HOME of the target.
[03:33] <whislock> sudo -Hu testuser bash, for example.
[04:28] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. I have an ext4 formatted external USB hard drive connected to my system running Ubuntu 19.10 .. I was copying a lot of files when it failed due to "no space left on device"
[04:28] <Mr_Cyclops> df shows Size = 916GB, Used = 870GB but ... free space = 0% ...
[04:29] <Mr_Cyclops> Any clues? thank you
[04:33] <Mr_Cyclops> I found the solution, 5% reserved for root, so I cleared that using tune2fs -m0 .. now all good :)
[04:33] <Mr_Cyclops> tx
[04:34] <Bashing-om> Mr_Cyclops: Reserved space for "house keeping" ? cd to the mount point and run ' sudo du -sx * | sort -n ' . thenmaybe drill down further to see where the disl space is consumed.
[04:36] <flog> What sets the icons for tray icons? Id like to change the icon for nm-applet since it doesnt match my color theme i use in i3.
[04:47] <enrio> hi
[04:47] <enrio> how to install midori
[04:47] <enrio> latest
[04:51] <oerheks> via snap https://snapcraft.io/midori
[04:51] <Bashing-om> enrio: A snap package: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/03/install-midori-web-browser-vis-snap-in-ubuntu-18-04-16-04/
[04:53] <enrio> Reading package lists... Done
[04:53] <enrio> Building dependency tree
[04:53] <enrio> Reading state information... Done
[04:53] <enrio> Package snapd is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:53] <enrio> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:53] <enrio> is only available from another source
[04:53] <oerheks> so, you are not on ubuntu?
[04:54] <dax> enrio: do "sudo apt-get update", then try again
[04:54] <oerheks> snap is standard in all supported versions
[04:54] <dax> enrio: if that doesn't work, i'd be interested to know which version of ubuntu you're on
[04:55] <dax> (if you want to reply, just do so in channel, no need to try private messaging)
[04:55] <enrio> ubuntu 16.04
[04:56] <enrio> well for some reason my previous reply was not sent to channel
[04:56] <dax> okay, snapd is in ubuntu 16.04. did "sudo apt-get update" help at all?
[04:56] <enrio> got muted i believe
[04:56] <enrio> where is source.list file located?
[04:57] <oerheks> yes, #freenode servers goes ballistic with multiple lines paste
[04:58] <dax> no, the opt-in antispam bots get unhappy about it.
[04:59] <enrio> how to see which version of ubuntu via terminal?
[05:01] <Bashing-om> enrio: ' cat /etc/issue ' is one.
[05:01] <enrio> Trisquel GNU/Linux 8.0
[05:02] <oerheks> oh
[05:02] <enrio> which version of ubuntu this uses i'm not sure
[05:03] <Bashing-om> enrio: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ cat /etc/issue >> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS \n \l"
[05:03] <enrio> well the site says ubuntu 16.04
[05:04] <flog> What site says ubuntu?
[05:05] <enrio> https://trisquel.info/
[05:05] <enrio> https://trisquel.info/en/trisquel-80-lts-flidas
[05:05] <dax> enrio: I believe Trisquel dropped snapd because it allows the installation of proprietary software, so you might be out of luck there. Also, #ubuntu only supports Ubuntu and official flavors of it, which Trisquel is not. You'd want to check their (small) IRC channel at #trisquel, or their forums at https://trisquel.info/en/forum , for support.
[05:05] <oerheks> #trisquel
[05:06] <oerheks> or even #trisquel-dev
[05:06] <shmoobert> I just installed xubuntu on my laptop and I am accidentally touching the track/touch pad with like every other keystroke. Is there a simple way I can reduce the sensitivity or even better the response time of the touch?
[05:06] <enrio> they are not serious at helping :(
[05:07] <oerheks> our answers apply not to your problem
[05:07] <enrio> but trisquel is part of ubuntu right
[05:07] <dax> enrio: That's unfortunate, but not something we can really do much about. There are a lot of unofficial Ubuntu derivates that make all sorts of changes (apparently including ones that affect your current issue), and we can't be expected to help with software we weren't involved with and don't officially support.
[05:07] <Bashing-om> enrio: You are then strongly encouraged to install 'buntu (18.04) :D
[05:10] <shmoobert> for what its worth I am using v18 (xubuntu)
[05:11] <shmoobert> I am just looking for a simple app that i can apt-get
[05:12] <oerheks> maybe this post is any help https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8fbt2l/is_the_mouse_settings_application_in_xubuntu_1804/
[05:12] <enrio> what is the ubuntu 18.04 minimal version size with gui lxde
[05:12] <oerheks> or this tip: scrollwheel emulation disable https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1758023/comments/29
[05:14] <Bashing-om> !flavors
[05:14] <oerheks> 20 gb will do, 50 gb is better
[05:15] <enrio> thats too much
[05:16] <enrio> i can allocate 100 gb
[05:17] <shmoobert> oerheks, thanks, it seems xub doesnt have a scroll whell emu, but will give the reddit post a shot, thanks
[05:21] <enrio> which flavor to choose?
[05:22] <shmoobert> enrio, I find xubuntu to be about the lightest out there, perhaps install that then start uninstalling cruft you dont want?
[05:23] <enrio> xubuntu is light nice :)
[05:23] <Bashing-om> enrio: It is all about choice - We can not tell you what you like. Burn a few .iso images abd see which you like the most.
[05:23] <enrio> xubuntu is good
[05:24] <flog> I probably should have gone with something lighter than standard ubuntu since I installed i3 straight away.
[05:24] <Bashing-om> enrio: Yup - my preference too :P
[05:24] <flog> But disk space and performance isnt really a problem for light laptop use today.
[05:25] <shmoobert> enrio, totally subjective but I have older hardware and I found that it runs better (lighter) than other *buntu flavors, havent run any tests though
[05:25] <pi0> is it possible to ssh over usb with ubuntu
[05:25] <enrio> lighter and productive is smarter.
[05:25] <pi0> trying to ssh into my pi zero w via usb, laptop 18.04
[05:25] <shmoobert> flog, i'd agree but there are use scenerios where space does matter, like running off a USB (not a common use but still valid)
[05:26] <shmoobert> and enrio flogs mention of i3, if you learn it that will make it even lighter; i've tried and its a steep learning curve but very nice for producitivyt if you can learn it
[05:29] <flog> pi0: what device is this "usb"?
[05:29] <flog> pi0:usb network card? usb with emulated uart?
[05:30] <pi0> flog: pi zero w
[05:30] <pi0> as in raspbery pi zero w
[05:30] <flog> Either should let you login the first over ethernet the second as a serial shell.
[05:31] <pi0> flog: are you referring to the larger raspberry models with an actual ethernet port
[05:32] <flog> I think i know wha tyou want to do. Check in if you have anything in /dev that could be a serial adapter.
[05:33] <flog> So yo uwant to login and get a shell on your pi over usb?
[05:33] <pi0> flog: i do, i have googled some tutorials were it was possible on mac and windows
[05:34] <pi0> modifying cmdline.txt config.txt and touch ssh within the boot directory of the sd card for the pi
[05:35] <flog> Did you check what i wrote above?
[05:37] <pi0> checking my dev dir
[05:37] <pi0> that is what you wanted me to do, correct?
[05:38] <pi0> flog: i found this https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/71376/connecting-raspberry-pi-zero-to-ubuntu-computer-through-usb
[05:40] <flog> That seems more complicated than it should.
[05:40] <pi0> it does right
[05:40] <pi0> were do i find link-local
[05:41] <flog> When i logged into my rpi clone i used to just use screen against whatever tty was my rpi serial device
[05:42] <pi0> clone? was that cheaper?
[05:42] <flog> But this is not really an ubuntu issue.
[05:43] <pi0> tty on the clone might be enabled on stock
[05:43] <pi0> but for actual pi we might have to mod
[05:45] <pi0> going to reimage sd, and try again
[05:46] <flog> I think you should pop over to #raspberrypi and ask there.
[05:46] <pi0> i did :/ i think there all windows pi users lol
[05:54] <flog> pi0: https://www.thepolyglotdeveloper.com/2016/06/connect-raspberry-pi-zero-usb-cable-ssh/ think this is what yo uneed.
[05:55] <pi0> those were exactly the settings that i applied
[05:56] <pi0> however for ubuntu its completely diff
[05:56] <pi0> i reimaged the sd, trying the sets again
[06:22] <pi0> flog: whooop, worked
[07:40] <Aavar> I have a weird problem... after installing/testing i3 window manager I have a problem with brightness indicator and battery indicator in unity and xfce. it shows a i3-like indicator for some reason. I have removed all i3 packages as far as I know... Anyone know how to get back to normal?
[07:47] <unixbassen> @Aavar I am not that familiar with xfce, but if you have a theme manager like Gnome tweak tool for the gnome desktop, you might be able to change back to stock from the i3-like indicator
[07:48] <unixbassen> Also, when you purge i3, remember to run 'apt-get autoremove' to fully remove packages
[07:53] <Aavar> unixbassen: autoremove did nothing unfortunately... Does i3 mess with gtk themes?
[07:54] <unixbassen> well, you ran 'apt-get purge i3 && apt-get autoremove -y', then did a reboot?
[07:56] <Aavar> unixbassen: I will now :) just ran autoremove and logged out and in again.
[07:56] <Aavar> brb
[07:56] <unixbassen> Ofc
[07:57] <eightyone> :)
[08:00] <Aavar> unixbassen: no change unfortunately :(
[08:01] <Aavar> I will try installing gnome and see how it looks there.
[08:07] <unixbassen> @Aavar i think it’s the theme which is not fully going back to xfce after i3 was installed
[08:08] <unixbassen> Maybe install a theming tool and see if you can change the indicator back
[08:09] <Aavar> unixbassen: it works in gnome... weird problem as unity and xfce has nothing in common... unlike gnome and unity...
[08:11] <Aavar> unixbassen: thank you for the help. I don't have time for this, so i guess I'll survive for now :)
[08:16] <unixbassen> @Aavar np :)
[09:15] <Apachez> any hints on how to resolve   ERROR:child_process_sandbox_support_impl_linux.cc(81)] FontService unique font name matching request did not receive a response.   ?
[09:15] <Apachez> gnome-shell is the one reporting in ubuntu 19.10
[09:15] <Apachez> looots of entries in systemlog
[10:21] <badcloud_> What determines default resolution in Ubuntu? Does it change when attaching different (size) monitor?
[10:28] <badcloud_> On boot
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:25] <woenx> Hi. I installed a KDE program in Gnome's Ubuntu, but the scroll sensitivity is too high it's unusable. Is there a way to adjust scroll speed for KDE applications from Ubuntu?
[12:30] <thelounge09> I've got a brand new installation of ubuntu and I can't for the life of me figure out how to set DNS to automatically be set by my router. It seems systemd-resolved is automatically setting it (in resolv.conf) to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:30] <guiverc> badcloud_, i don't know, but if I attach different external monitors to laptops, their resolution is always detected correctly
[12:31] <badcloud_> guiverc Gotcha
[12:33] <guiverc> thelounge09, you didn't say what release (or desktop/server/..) of Ubuntu, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager maybe helpful
[12:33] <BluesKaj> thelounge09, try /etc/systemd/resolved.conf settings for your DNS
[12:38] <woenx> I found that installing the package "systemsettings" installs the KDE configuration menus. However, most modules are missing (including the one to configure mouse settings). Does anyone knows how to install new modules to KDE' s systemsettings menu?
[12:39] <woenx> running kcmshell5 --list I can see all installed modules
[13:19] <B|ack0p> hi
[13:19] <B|ack0p> i have an SDHC card Lexar 16gb
[13:20] <JoeLlama> yay! :)
[13:20] <JoeLlama> good for you :)
[13:20] <B|ack0p> lol
[13:20] <B|ack0p> issue is
[13:20] <B|ack0p> i cant open it
[13:20] <B|ack0p> on ubuntu
[13:20] <JoeLlama> oh there's more?
[13:20] <JoeLlama> can you open on other boxes?
[13:20] <B|ack0p> no just 1 i have :p
[13:21] <B|ack0p> well i unboxed it long time ago :p
[13:21] <JoeLlama> no I meant... there is more to the story
[13:21] <B|ack0p> i cant get it mounted in ubuntu
[13:21] <B|ack0p> and see content
[13:21] <JoeLlama> you gotta be careful of fake flash :(
[13:21] <B|ack0p> it s not fake i think
[13:21] <JoeLlama> there is a lot of it out there...
[13:21] <B|ack0p> looks genuine
[13:21] <JoeLlama> well let's hope so...
[13:21] <B|ack0p> the thing is
[13:21] <JoeLlama> the fake stuff looks genuine too
[13:21] <JoeLlama> can you open it on a windows box?
[13:21] <JoeLlama> perhaps you need to format it first
[13:22] <B|ack0p> i taken it from NIkon camera and it has pictures inside i need to backup in my laptop
[13:22] <B|ack0p> if i format i will loose everything
[13:22]  * JoeLlama has bought fake flash before but got a refund (they didn't even want me to ship it back)
[13:22] <B|ack0p> windows sees sd card but doesnt load
[13:22] <JoeLlama> I bought 64G flash and it only worked up to 16G then failed
[13:22] <JoeLlama> bought it on eBay (:
[13:22] <JoeLlama> feeBay :)
[13:23] <JoeLlama> oh?
[13:23] <JoeLlama> perhaps you have bad SD card :(
[13:23] <JoeLlama> try partition and format it
[13:23] <JoeLlama> see what happens
[13:23] <JoeLlama> there are utility proggies out there that will help you test your SD card
[13:24] <B|ack0p> i dont wanna format
[13:24] <B|ack0p> it has pictures inside :/
[13:24] <JoeLlama> oh :(
[13:24] <JoeLlama> p0rn? 8(
[13:24] <JoeLlama> I bet it's p0rn
[13:24] <B|ack0p> sure hardcore 3some
[13:24] <JoeLlama> nasty pictures huh :( blah
[13:24] <B|ack0p> wanna join?
[13:24] <JoeLlama> eep!
[13:24] <JoeLlama> no!
[13:24] <JoeLlama> blah
[13:25] <B|ack0p> ;)
[13:25] <BluesKaj> copy the pics back your main drive temporarily, then format
[13:25] <JoeLlama> you may have fake porn SD return immediately for full refund
[13:25] <B|ack0p> BluesKaj: if i can reach the content of SDHC card i would copy but i cant see it mounted
[13:25] <JoeLlama> oh yes like BluesKaj said, copy your porn off the flash
[13:25] <B|ack0p> i can see it exists in Disks utility
[13:26] <B|ack0p> but not content
[13:26] <JoeLlama> mounted porn?
[13:26] <JoeLlama> eep
[13:26] <B|ack0p> JoeLlama: you are so interested in p0rn
[13:26] <B|ack0p> why dont you visit some websites?
[13:26] <B|ack0p> maybe you need to jerk off to relax
[13:26] <JoeLlama> oh my!
[13:26] <B|ack0p> JoeLlama: you are on ignore now
[13:26] <BluesKaj> what good are the pics if the card is so damaged it can't be accessed
[13:26] <JoeLlama> not my route B|ack0p I leave that to you
[13:27] <JoeLlama> hahaha
[13:27] <B|ack0p> i need someone serious sorry
[13:27] <JoeLlama> yay! :)
[13:27] <JoeLlama> no no ignore is good...
[13:27] <JoeLlama> thank you
[13:27] <B|ack0p> BluesKaj: well SDHC card is used in Nikon camera
[13:27] <B|ack0p> it was inside for long time and today i took some more pictures so i need to take them to my laptop
[13:27] <JoeLlama> oh well Nikon format there you go right there...
[13:28] <JoeLlama> good luck figuring that out
[13:28] <BluesKaj> B|ack0p, are the pics viewable in the camera?
[13:29] <B|ack0p> yes
[13:29]  * JoeLlama would point to the website that explains Nikon format and why it doesn't work in linux but he is on ignore :/
[13:29] <JoeLlama> I wander off now
[13:30] <BluesKaj> B|ack0p,  then your reader on the other device is faulty
[13:30] <B|ack0p> other device? you mean my laptop?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> whatever
[13:31] <B|ack0p> 1 device is camera other one is laptop
[13:32] <ioria> B|ack0p, first i'd suggest to use an usb adapter (if you have one); then insert again the card and run  dmesg | tail -30
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I'm not going any further with this ....
[13:32] <B|ack0p> ioria: laptop has SD card reader
[13:32] <B|ack0p> can i run dmesg now?
[13:32] <ioria> B|ack0p, i know your laptop has a card reader
[13:33] <B|ack0p> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2mH5kM8PWs/
[13:35] <ioria> B|ack0p, not good (i/O errors and unable to read partition table); run '  sudo parted -l'
[13:36] <B|ack0p> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nxNGDWt7Dh/
[13:37] <ioria> B|ack0p, sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[13:37] <B|ack0p> installed
[13:38] <ioria> B|ack0p, reinsaert the card and see if dmesg | tail -30 has changed
[13:40] <B|ack0p> ioria: it was already inserted :/
[13:40] <B|ack0p> not changed
[13:40] <B|ack0p> dmesg | tail -30  still same
[13:40] <ioria> B|ack0p, pull it out and reinsert it
[13:41] <B|ack0p> same
[13:41] <ioria> B|ack0p, open gparted and see if you can run fsck on it
[13:42] <vlt> B|ack0p: The first thing I would do is make an exact copy of the whole device and operate on that (or even a copy of that).
[13:43] <B|ack0p> ioria: when i opened gparted it showed error popup . input/output error during read on /dev/mmcblk0
[13:44] <ioria> B|ack0p, do you have windows on that disk ?
[13:44] <B|ack0p> vlt: someone in ##hardware also suggested that to get image of the sd card but i dont know how to do that
[13:44] <B|ack0p> ioria: yes
[13:44] <B|ack0p> dual booting
[13:44] <ioria> B|ack0p, try on windows and make a copy
[13:45] <B|ack0p> ioria: on windows i can see sd card mounted as removable device but still can not access the content
[13:45] <B|ack0p> should i right-click on removable device and copy?
[13:46] <vlt> B|ack0p: 1. Find out the device node of the inserted card (like /dev/sdb). 2. Use a tool like dd, pv, ddrescue or just cat: ddrescue /dev/sdb my_card.img
[13:46] <B|ack0p> i installed ddrescue
[13:47] <ioria> B|ack0p, you probably need some software for raw images
[13:47] <B|ack0p> vlt: doing that now
[13:48] <B|ack0p> oh it is counting a lot of read errors :S
[13:51] <B|ack0p> ioria: after this finishes i will try on windows again :/
[14:10] <coffeecow> hi is there a way to receive bluetooth audio and play it as if my ubuntu laptop were a bluetooth speaker
[14:10] <jeremy31> coffeecow: yes
[14:10] <coffeecow> jeremy31, how?
[14:10] <jeremy31> coffeecow: Don't remember
[14:11] <jeremy31> coffeecow: I think it is a setting in /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf
[14:14] <coffeecow> hmm
[14:15] <coffeecow> that file doesn't exist for me but i'll google. interestingly "bluetooth input" comes up as a mic but no audio
[14:15] <coffeecow> er as in i don't see the volume/detect bar move on the input
[14:19] <jeremy31> coffeecow: I just connected my phone to computer and my phone shows in sound settings as an input device
[14:19] <coffeecow> can you hear audio from it
[14:20] <jeremy31> Yes after turning the mute off
[14:22] <coffeecow> hrm well that's cool i'll try to get that working...
[14:23] <jeremy31> coffeecow: on this machine I added the audio.conf to /etc/bluetooth/  with contents https://termbin.com/u3ds
[14:28] <coffeecow> whoops sorry had to reboot
[14:29] <jeremy31> coffeecow: on this machine I added the audio.conf to /etc/bluetooth/  with contents https://termbin.com/u3ds
[14:32] <coffeecow> jeremy31, thank you dear friend i will try that
[14:32] <coffeecow> i will reboot now
[14:32] <SimonNL> audio.conf wasn't needed here jeremy31
[14:32] <coffeecow> well i guess first i will try sudo service bluetooth restart
[14:33] <coffeecow> BTW I tried just normally and got this far but no audio is being detected https://postimg.cc/qtX4nh1x
[14:34] <coffeecow> still same thing after `sudo service bluetooth restart`
[14:35] <jeremy31> coffeecow: trying to use mic input from headphones?
[14:35] <coffeecow> huh?
[14:36] <coffeecow> if i switch to the normal microphone i can see the bar moving
[14:36] <jeremy31> coffeecow: that picture shows a bluetooth headset
[14:36] <coffeecow> it says "bluetooth input"
[14:36] <coffeecow> i'm wearing headphones
[14:37] <jeremy31> I wonder if it would work with the headphones disconnected
[14:37] <coffeecow> tried; nope
[14:38] <jeremy31> Is the volume turned up on the device you are trying to use as input?
[14:38] <coffeecow> yes
[14:40] <jeremy31> coffeecow: post URL from terminal for>   (lsusb && dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm') | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:40] <coffeecow> ok
[14:41] <coffeecow> https://termbin.com/b21z
[14:43] <jeremy31> Intel bluetooth, those should work.  Broadcom bluetooth might need firmware to make everything work and Ubuntu can't distribute the firmware
[14:46] <coffeecow> it updates the firmware of my thinkpad in general tho
[14:47] <SimonNL> coffeecow does the input pull down menu show Phone as an option ?
[14:47] <jeremy31> The Intel firmware is part of linux-firmware package
[14:48] <coffeecow> SimonNL, yes but no audoi is detected in the little bar indicator as seen in the snapshot
[14:48] <coffeecow> *audio
[14:48] <SimonNL> while phone is chosen ?
[14:48] <coffeecow> right
[14:48] <coffeecow> but if i switch to normal microphone it detects when i talk
[14:49] <SimonNL> are you creating an audio stream from the phone ?
[14:49] <coffeecow> from my yamaha av receiver
[14:49] <SimonNL> running media player or something
[14:49] <coffeecow> i'll try from my phone now i guess
[14:49] <coffeecow> just to make sure
[14:50] <SimonNL> though that was the task
[14:51] <coffeecow> i'm trying to stream audio from my tv to my laptop so i can watch cable in the bg as I program with my wired headphones plugged in :p
[14:51] <coffeecow> contrived... i know...
[14:51] <coffeecow> i just don't wanna wake someone
[14:52] <coffeecow> well shit that's stupid it works with my phone
[14:52] <coffeecow> sorry... language...
[14:52] <vlt> Hello. What might be the problem when neither Chromium nor Firefox can resolve youtube.com (but some other domain names) while `[ping|dig] youtube.com` works fine?
[14:53] <jeremy31> coffeecow: is the TV supposed to be able to stream audio over bluetooth?
[14:53] <coffeecow> yes
[14:53] <vlt> Chromium complains: DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
[14:53] <SimonNL> sure
[14:53] <SimonNL> sure ?
[14:53] <coffeecow> it is supposed to do both send and receive
[14:54] <SimonNL> maybe to the phone but not to the computer coffeecow
[14:54] <coffeecow> huh?
[14:54] <SimonNL> just guessing.
[14:54] <coffeecow> the receiver says " The unit supports Bluetooth devices that support A2DP or AVRCP."
[14:55] <SimonNL> just guessing as I said.
[14:57] <isomari> greetings, what's the most time efficient way of cloning a ubuntu installation to hundreds of machines?
[14:59] <Apachez> isomari: using clonezilla, dont forget to whipe the network config file that stores the mac address of the original box in order to avoid having two network configs at once
[14:59] <Apachez> another method might be to use pingyubuilder to create your custom livecd image and boot that iso
[14:59] <Apachez> either from dvd or from usb or as iso from harddrive
[15:01] <jeremy31> isomari: Maybe an automated install using PXE boot
[15:03] <isomari> Apachez: None of the machines will be on the same network so it doesn't matter if they all have the same ip. They will all be on local private networks in diffeent locations.
[15:03] <SimonNL> coffeecow: did you have it paired and connected to the TV ?
[15:03] <isomari> jeremy31: thanks, Ill look inti that.
[15:04] <coffeecow> yes it's paired and shows up as an input source
[15:04] <SimonNL> coffeecow: won't show up as a input device if not.
[15:04] <coffeecow> just no audio
[15:04] <SimonNL> ok
[15:04] <SimonNL> coffeecow: does TV have some setting to direkt sound to BT ?
[15:05] <SimonNL> direct*  probably
[15:05] <coffeecow> the avreceiver has an audio send transmitter for bluetooth
[15:06] <FurretUber> I'm having a problem with an accelerometer: sometimes the positive values are to one side, sometimes to other. Is there a way (as a kernel command line) to make a quirk that is always behave the same?
[15:11] <SimonNL> coffeecow: I'm out of ideas
[15:11] <coffeecow> shucks
[15:12] <SimonNL> only to double check all obvious things
[15:13] <jeremy31> coffeecow: have you checked alsamixer settings in terminal?
[15:13] <coffeecow> no
[15:15] <SimonNL> coffeecow: attempting to here the sound using BT headphone/set ?
[15:15] <coffeecow> attempting to hear on laptop
[15:15] <SimonNL> using BT ?
[15:16] <blopper> hi
[15:17] <blopper> need help on configuring grub to install openbsd
[15:17] <blopper> any help in here
[15:19] <coffeecow> yes using bt
[15:19] <coffeecow> i want to hear sounds from my TV on my laptop
[15:20] <SimonNL> coffeecow: one adaptor or ?
[15:20] <SimonNL> wait, what are you using to hear the sound coffeecow   laptop speakers ?
[15:20] <ricpf> u need this https://avantree.com/audikast-bluetooth-transmitter-for-tv
[15:21] <coffeecow> headphones plugged into laptop
[15:21] <coffeecow> i can hear audio from my phone when i transmit the audio to my laptop using bt but not when i do this with my avr
[15:21] <SimonNL> ok nothing bad about that
[15:23] <SimonNL> coffeecow: your avr  what brand and type number
[15:26] <coffeecow> rx a1080
[15:29] <SimonNL> Additional Features(Bluetooth Transmission function)
[15:29] <SimonNL> curious
[15:33] <SimonNL> coffeecow: read this page from the user manual     https://imgur.com/a/LjxlCZ5
[15:38] <coffeecow> what about it
[15:40] <SimonNL> the part about attached devices and I assume the TV is an attached device
[15:42] <coffeecow> > playing back with direct or pure direct enabled
[15:43] <SimonNL> tried setup methode from that page coffeecow ?
[15:48] <coffeecow> yes
[15:56] <coffeecow> i give up lol imma email their support
[15:56] <coffeecow> thanks for helping
[16:04] <enrio> hi what is command and system binaries? in secondary level
[16:06] <mmystic> hi, I'd like to clone my system with the exact packages/version. I know I have to use **dpkg --get-selections >> mypack** and then **dpkg --set-selections < mypack** in the new system but this doesn't install the exact version... how can I solve ?
[16:42] <tomreyn> mmystic: have the same apt sources
[16:44] <tomreyn> this is not exactly cloning, but configuring systems the same way. if the source system has updates pending then the system you'll apply the configuration to will install those packages when you apt-get dselect-upgrade there
[16:49] <Iarla> Is the mongoose webserver still under the same name? It's not in the ubuntu repos. https://linux.die.net/man/1/mongoose
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> !info mongoose
[16:51] <Iarla> thanks lotus. odd result there.
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> this what you need Iarla ?
[16:51] <Iarla> That's something differente lotuspsychje, but thanks.
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> Iarla: its mongodb you need perhaps?
[16:53] <Iarla> That's the database. It's the webserver I'm looking for. Surely made by the same group though.
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Iarla: did you search your system with apt-cache search foo ?
[16:55] <Iarla> Just now on your suggestion :) No result, but I think I've found it on github. https://github.com/cesanta/mongoose
[16:57] <mmystic> tomreyn: ok, then how can I install the same packages also with those are pending ?
[16:57] <mmystic> tomreyn: I mean I want the exact system, is that possible ?
[17:04] <mmystic> for example here they guy says to use synaptic, ok but I'd like something on cli  https://askubuntu.com/questions/62340/how-to-copy-an-ubuntu-install-from-one-laptop-to-another
[17:06] <calher> How do I get Flatpak on 19.10?
[17:06] <calher> How do I get Polari on 19.10?
[17:11] <ioria> calher, polari is in the repo, flatpak has to be enabled (i mean, installed via apt or ppa)
[17:12] <calher> ioria, "apt search flatpak" and "apt search polari" return nothing.
[17:12] <ioria> !info polari eoan
[17:12] <ioria> calher, check apt-cache polari   (is in universe)
[17:13] <ioria> calher, apt-cache policy polari
[17:14] <calher> ioria: polari: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
[17:15] <ioria> calher, probably universe is not enabled; check you sources.list
[17:17] <calher> ioria, went to Software & Updates and checked universe.
[17:17] <ioria> calher, ok, run sudo apt update and try again apt-cache policy polari
[17:22] <calher> ioria, installed! Thanks! :D
[17:22] <ioria> calher, same for flatpak (the ppa version is not still available for 19.10)
[17:23] <calher> Thanks.
[17:23] <ioria> calher, and maybe you want also  'gnome-software-plugin-flatpak ' to brows them in Software Center
[17:23] <ioria> *e
[17:31] <LunaLovegood> I remove networkmanager and netplan.io in order to manage my network manually ("ip addr add ..." and such), but now after a few hours my interface ends up losing its ip addresses, as if someone called "ip addr flush ...". I didn't only removed packages from the default install, I didn't add anything new.  I suspect something in systemd is causing this. How can I stop it from happening?
[17:31] <LunaLovegood> s/I didn/I/
[17:32] <TiD91> Hello everybody, I need help to cofigure Xorg on a currently headless install of Ubuntu in order to run OpenGL applications natively on Nvidia GPU.  I have CUDA working perfectly as expected (`nvidia-smi`: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3BvJc8tMSN/). So what I did was to `startx` Xorg (config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cSwVqZcxmw/) and then trying to run glxinfo. If I use `startx`, `DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo` is not able to find the
[17:32] <TiD91> DISPLAY (I'm on SSH). If I use `xinit`, after that I copied the `/etc/xinirc` to my home, `glxinfo` finds the DISPLAY but it runs on software rendering (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F5z6JVw66n/).
[17:32] <TiD91> Any help?
[17:35] <Apachez> isomari: its not about ip, its about when you in the upper right (default ubuntu) look for settings instead of "Wired connection" you will have  "Wired connection" and "Wired connection 2"
[17:37] <pragmaticenigma> LunaLovegood, The newer versions of Ubuntu are designed to work with the tools that you removed. There are many components that rely on their presense and removing them causes the issues you are encountering. The solution is to put them back, alternatively, you can try asking in ##linux or ##networking for help.
[17:39] <LunaLovegood> pragmaticenigma: what else do I need to remove if I want nothing at all to touch my network interfaces then? I want to set everything up manually (with the iproute2 utilities). I wouldn't mind if it brings up the "lo" interface on boot, but nothing else!
[17:41] <ioria> LunaLovegood, you know you can stop and disable NM, right ?
[17:43] <LunaLovegood> ioria, I did "apt-get --purge purge" on it instead.
[17:43] <ioria> LunaLovegood, check your autoremove queue
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> LunaLovegood, Ubuntu is designed to be an off the shelf configuration, meant to work with as many computers as it can be installed on. Your desire to go outside of that configuration puts you in a position that the volunteers here are limited on the help they can provide. That's why I suggested the other channels to check out. This channel focuses on the packages and configurations that come with Ubuntu as it designed. As ioria
[17:44] <pragmaticenigma> mentioned, you can disable the the services, which retains packages needed else where. Which may restore your network connectivity
[17:58] <sasi> Anybody how to restore only the files that are recently deleted, (like within a particular timeframe) using photorec or somehing like that?
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> sasi, file timestamps are typically stored in the File Allocation Table, which is what is deleted when you delete a file. When recovering files, those scanners scan the disk for continuous blocks of data, there is no method for determinging the timestamps
[18:00] <sasi> Oh, I see.
[18:00] <sasi> Thank you.
[18:04] <sasi> I am trying to delete all these subfolders and hold all the files in a big folder.
[18:04] <sasi> Any idea how do I go on about this
[18:04] <sasi>  I tried something before and ended up deleting it all
[18:08] <coz_> sasi, I would suggest backing these up on a flash drive, whatever method, first, then play with the originals. If you mess it up you always have the back up to rely on.
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> sasi, you could use a tool like "find <path_to_source_dir> -type f -execdir cp {} <path_to_destination_dir> \;" Once you have confirmed all your files have been copied there successfully, you can delete the source
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> sasi, I would also second coz_ ... always a good idea to back up your data before doing a large data restructuring. if something goes wrong, you can easily recover
[18:10] <sasi> Yeah.  It's backed up
[18:10] <sasi> Let me try this
[18:10] <sasi> Will need to copy it again
[18:10] <sasi> Thanks
[18:10] <coz_> sasi, good lick ")
[18:11] <coz_> luck
[18:11] <coz_> I think "lick" has a different meaning
[18:18] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello I am  using a Samsung 860 EVO SSD on Ubuntu 19.10
[18:19] <Mr_Cyclops> Trying to understand how much life is left
[18:19] <Mr_Cyclops> 177 Wear_Leveling_Count     0x0013   099   099   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       6
[18:19] <Mr_Cyclops> thanks in advancce
[18:20] <SwedeMike> Mr_Cyclops: pastebin the entire output from smartctl if that's what you're using.
[18:20] <Mr_Cyclops> sure, 1 sec ..  thanks SwedeMike
[18:20] <Mr_Cyclops> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VfP8Thwf5h/
[18:20] <k1tsun3> hi im having trouble using grub customizer on Debian 10
[18:21] <k1tsun3> i tried the Debian channel but no one has any ideas over there
[18:21] <SwedeMike> Mr_Cyclops: you should look into the "total LBAs written" and compare that to the rating of the drive in TBW
[18:21] <k1tsun3> grub-customizer creates the files and update-grub pulls the correct image but for some reason they dont actually change the appearance of my grub
[18:21] <Mr_Cyclops> is there a site for that? or just google?
[18:22] <SwedeMike> Mr_Cyclops: I googled and found https://www.virten.net/2016/12/ssd-total-bytes-written-calculator/
[18:24] <Mr_Cyclops> so as per that link it says 3.96 TB written
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> !debian | k1tsun3, please use the appropriate channel and have patience
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> k1tsun3, for Debian support, use #debian
[18:25] <k1tsun3> i know
[18:25] <k1tsun3> i used #debian
[18:25] <k1tsun3> but since both use the same package i though i also could get help here
[18:26] <eightyone>  /join #nixos
[18:26] <Mr_Cyclops> SwedeMike, I found this link from Samsung.com .... https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/global.semi.static/Samsung_SSD_860_EVO_Data_Sheet_Rev1.pdf
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> k1tsun3, They may use the same package, but could be completely different in their implementation. That's why it's not supported here
[18:26] <Mr_Cyclops> that mentions in one of the paragraphs ... Up to 2,400 TB TBW
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Cyclops, how old is the drive?
[18:27] <Mr_Cyclops> umm, about 1.5 years I think
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Cyclops, You have years of life remaining on that drive, that said, doesn't hurt to keep backups
[18:28] <SwedeMike> Mr_Cyclops: yeah, I agree, there is a lot of life left in that drive.
[18:28] <Mr_Cyclops> pragmaticenigma, and SwedeMike thanks ... though I was a bit worried about the Wear Level being 6
[18:28] <coz_> fstrim , I hear, can help extend the life of an ssd
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Cyclops, unless you know what the 6 represents... it's just a value. "Value and Threshold" are the two to pay attention to. Threshold is where the drive considers it self in a failure. The higher the "Value" the better
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> I do recall that SMART data isn't persistant, meaning it resets on power cycles. However, if a drive is failing the counters are going to drop very quickly if there is an issue.
[18:31] <Mr_Cyclops> pragmaticenigma, I see so the "Value" is 6 and "Threshold" is 0
[18:32] <Mr_Cyclops> so when the value is 0, thats when I consider a failure most likely, correct?
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Cyclops, no... value is 099 in your example. threshold was 000
[18:32] <Mr_Cyclops> ooooooh, I was looking at the wrong colum
[18:33] <Mr_Cyclops> I feel so much better now :) thanks!! pragmaticenigma and SwedeMike
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> Mr_Cyclops, RAW_VALUE is the value extracted from the monitor. It requires a look up table to know what it represents. That's why the columns VALUE, WORST, and THRESHOLD are provided. They are the translation to a more readable readout
[18:35] <Mr_Cyclops> sweet!
[18:35] <Mr_Cyclops> so I understood Value and Threshold
[18:35] <Mr_Cyclops> whats the meaning of WORST ?
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> I believe that in some cases, the monitor may persist that value through a power cycle.  VALUE can go up and down, WORST only goes down
[18:42] <jeremy31> I think gsmartcontrol shows more parameters for SSDs like wear leveling count, it is at 100% for a new drive, if they hit 10% they are usually done
[18:59] <Mr_Cyclops> thanks je
[18:59] <Mr_Cyclops> jeremy31, tx
[19:19] <eelstrebor> when setting the monitor refresh rate with xrandr, does that mean that the monitor runs at that rate all the time (static) or is the refresh dynamic?
[19:23] <eelstrebor> interesting that <vblank_mode=0 glxgears> outputs about 9500 fps while <glxgears> shows 120 fps - xrandr shows the max frame rate for this resolution as 120 fps
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor, all monitors display at the refresh rate as directed by the signal source. When you see a refresh rate on the specifications, that indicates the maximum refresh rate the monitor's controller can process
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> eelstrebor, That is to say, dynamic would be an operation of the video card drivers and the value set by a program that currently has precedence to set a value
[20:04] <gehn> is or will one of the newer releases use wayland instead of x11 by default?
[20:04] <gehn> and if so, starting at which release?
[20:05] <Apachez> eelstrebor: vlank syncs to the hz the monitor operates at
[20:05] <Apachez> with vblank disabled you get the fps of how fast the gpu/cpu can process the stuff
[20:05] <Apachez> personally I limited my games to monitor hz to keep the cpu as cool as possible
[20:05] <gehn> and or how can I tell which one I'm using/running right now?
[20:05] <Apachez> no idea to process at 300fps when only 60 fps can be shown
[20:05] <gehn> the information I'm finding on google seems scattered and sometimes conflicting
[20:06] <Apachez> gehn: export | grep -i xdg
[20:06] <Apachez> declare -x XDG_SESSION_TYPE="x11"
[20:06] <Apachez> if its wayland it will say
[20:06] <Apachez> declare -x XDG_SESSION_TYPE="wayland"
[20:07] <gehn> ok, yup thanks
[20:07] <gehn> so I'm on 18.04 and it says x11
[20:07] <gehn> but I'm reading things suggesting that wayland is default on 18.04
[20:07] <gehn> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-disable-wayland-and-enable-xorg-display-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux "The default Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic Beaver installation comes with Wayland enabled."
[20:08] <gehn> maybe I'm not on wayland because I am technically on xubuntu?
[20:08] <Apachez> 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.945 FPS
[20:08] <Apachez> 24715 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4942.875 FPS
[20:08] <Apachez> the above with intel hd5000 gpu
[20:10] <dax> gehn: Wayland was default for Ubuntu (as in, the GNOME-based thing; flavors made their own decisions) 17.10. I think 18.04 went back to Xorg by default, and current Ubuntu is still Xorg too.
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, there is only one source of truth for Ubuntu defaults, and that is information that is found on the Ubuntu.com domains
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, According to that site: "X is the default display server. Wayland is provided as a Technical Preview and is expected to be the default display server in 20.04 LTS. To try it out, just choose Ubuntu on Wayland from the cog on the log in screen. X.org logs may now be found at ~/.local/share/xorg "
[20:12] <dax> i believe "expected to be the default display server in 20.04 LTS" isn't necessarily accurate now (though it was the expectation at the time)
[20:12] <Apachez> dax: arent you confusing it with unity?
[20:12] <Apachez> that went away in 17.somethng replaced by x11 and gnome
[20:13] <gehn> is there a way to know officially if wayland will be default on 20.04 or is that still not yet announced/official?
[20:13] <dax> Apachez: 17.10 used Unity (which was based on GNOME) with Wayland by default. 18.04 used GNOME on Xorg.
[20:13] <Apachez> you can select wayland in the loginprompt, click on that configwheel to select windowmanager
[20:13] <Apachez> wayland seems to be about 5% slower and still have oddities
[20:14] <Apachez> like stuttering every now and then and stuff like that where running gnome in 19.10 under x11 (default) is smoother
[20:14] <gehn> basically what I wanna know is will I need to port my xlib apps to wayland if I want them to run "out of the box" on upcoming ubuntu versions?
[20:14] <Apachez> even if glxgears shouldnt be used for benchmarking that gives about 57fps with vblank
[20:14] <Apachez> with wayland
[20:14] <CodeLyoko> Is there anyway to make Chromium Snap to not ask everytime i try and open a file, It's very annoying.
[20:14] <Apachez> while x11 gives 59.945 on a 60hz monitor
[20:15] <Apachez> CodeLyoko: you can use the non snap edition? :P
[20:15] <dax> gehn: I don't think it's been officially decided yet, but if I had to bet one way or another, I'd say it won't be default. There's always XWayland, anyway.
[20:15] <gehn> like, can I still run apps written for or compiled against x11/xorg/xlib if I'm running wayland?
[20:15] <Apachez> gehn: canonical have changed stuff previously
[20:15] <Apachez> like unity was invented to be replacement of gnome etc
[20:15] <gehn> yeah wasn't unity abandoned?
[20:15] <Apachez> and then canonical throw that under the bus with the 17.something release where they switched back to gnome and halted unity development
[20:16] <gehn> or at least ubuntu stopped using it as the default, right?
[20:16] <Apachez> so for the moment it looks sane to make sure that your gui stuff supports both x11 and wayland
[20:16] <gehn> too bad the new GNOME is a trash fire
[20:16] <gehn> as bad as it was, I liked Unity better
[20:16] <Apachez> wayland also have a backport api named xwayland for x11 apps that didnt fully switch to wayland
[20:16] <Apachez> also not only ubuntu is into the wayland world
[20:16] <CodeLyoko> Apachez: Unfortunatly, I dont think Chromium is going to be avalible on the repos anymore, only as a snap
[20:17] <Apachez> so coding something new today I would either do against QT or GTK or take both x11 and wayland into account
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, For Ubuntu development related questions, you should be asking things in the mailing list or you can try in #ubuntu-dev
[20:19] <gehn> are other distros going Wayland or likely to do so?
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, Fedora
[20:20] <gehn> like is Wayland likely to be replacing X.org in many/most cases soon?
[20:20] <Apachez> isnt archlinux into that aswell?
[20:20] <gehn> sounds like something Arch would do for sure :P
[20:20] <Apachez> dunno about replacement
[20:20] <Apachez> I think they will coexist
[20:20] <gehn> well, even if not *replace* but, you know, probably end up being the default for most users
[20:20] <Apachez> its like fluxbox, openbox, lxce or whatever they are called still exists even with kde and gnome on the market
[20:20] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, wayland is not a replacement, both have strengths and weaknesses and like all things in the GNU/Linux eco-system it will about user choice
[20:21] <gehn> sure, but default Ubuntu is going to come with something
[20:21] <gehn> your average user won't know what it is or probably care to change it
[20:21] <gehn> that's the user group I'm targeting
[20:21] <Apachez> pragmaticenigma: technically its a replacement, you cant run both in the same session - its either one of them
[20:21] <gehn> so, that's the user experience I'm concerned with
[20:21] <gehn> I understand about user choice
[20:21] <Apachez> but in short, wayland is more "modern" with fewer interconnections
[20:21] <Apachez> which should mena better performance
[20:21] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, This channel is operated by Volunteers, and the what path Ubuntu is taking (if the past is anything to go by) subject to change
[20:22] <Apachez> but today the performance is still lagging about 5% or so behind xorg
[20:22] <gehn> but there's also the decision of the distribution creators/providers about what comes as default
[20:22] <gehn> like default Ubuntu is not KDE based, it's GNOME based, and yes you can get kubuntu, but the default is GNOME for users who don't know any better
[20:22] <pragmaticenigma> Apachez, That isn't true... they can both run simlutaniously... only one will have control over the display
[20:23] <gehn> I'm just looking for editorialized opinions on the market direction
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, There is no such thing as GNOME or KDE based.... they are desktop environments... both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have the same under the hood engines
[20:23] <gehn> like do you guys think "Wayland is the future" (whether we like it or not)?
[20:23] <gehn> pragmaticenigma, uh, wut?
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, Polls and opinions are not a topic for this channel. Please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:24] <gehn> pragmaticenigma, are you saying that if a new user, who knows nothing better, downloads the standard Ubuntu distro from ubuntu.com is not going to get GNOME? they're going to get KDE?
[20:24] <CodeLyoko> gehn: he is saying they both run on either X or Wayland
[20:24] <gehn> there's such a thing as GNOME based, it's the default vanilla ubuntu distro
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, Gnome and KDE are desktop environments... a method and interface to display information. They are not the base of the OS... just an interface that can switched at any time
[20:24] <gehn> there's such a thing as KDE based, it's kubuntu
[20:25] <CodeLyoko> It's not really "based" more like, Ubuntu with a different coat of paint
[20:25] <gehn> well sure whatever
[20:25] <CodeLyoko> Underneath, It still just Ubuntu
[20:25] <gehn> what would you rather I call it then?
[20:25] <gehn> I know that
[20:25] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, I've said it several times what to call it... THey're known as desktop environments
[20:26] <gehn> oh come on
[20:26] <gehn> how do I notate the fact that the default ubuntu distro ships with and runs the GNOME DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT
[20:26] <gehn> as opposed to KDE
[20:26] <CodeLyoko> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE DE, the standard one is Ubuntu with a GNOME DE
[20:26] <gehn> "GNOME based" seems perfectly reasonable to me as a non-formal-language natural english language way to say it
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, I sent you a link earlier where that information is held: you look at the release notes and documentation for the release: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[20:27] <gehn> "gnome based" is like a million times easier to type than "ubuntu with a gnome de"
[20:27] <gehn> no one is saying that DE = kernel
[20:28] <CodeLyoko> yeah but saying GNOME based or KDE based makes it seem like you couldnt run either or without GNOME or KDE, and thats not the case
[20:28] <gehn> I don't think it has to make any such implication
[20:28] <gehn> it's a shorthand way of expressing a simple concept, but whatever, nerds gonna nerd
[20:28] <eippw1> CodeLyoko, you can run any desktop environment.
[20:29] <CodeLyoko> eippw1: I know, I currently have GNOME and Cinnamone installed
[20:30] <CodeLyoko> I was just trying to say that thats the point that pragmaticenigma was making
[20:30] <eippw1> CodeLyoko, got it.
[20:38] <gehn> is Cinnamon yet another competitor/alternative in the Wayland/X.org sense?
[20:38] <gehn> I've heard of Cinnamon but haven't really look at it yet
[20:38] <gehn> doesn't Mint use Cinnamon?
[20:41] <johnjay> is there a way to force ubuntu sound setting to keep my TV selected, even when it turns off?
[20:41] <johnjay> it keeps switching to headphones which aren't on for some reason
[20:46] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, Cinnamon is a fork of the Gnome Desktop version 2.x series. "Mint" is the brand of a financial services company.
[20:47] <CodeLyoko> pragmaticenigma: I think he was talking about Linux Mint
[20:47] <gehn> pragmaticenigma, are you just unable to comprehend english?
[20:48] <CodeLyoko> https://linuxmint.com/
[20:48] <gehn> pragmaticenigma, or are you purposefully trolling?
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, No one is trolling here, context and accuracy is important
[20:48] <gehn> context is a linux distro called Ubuntu
[20:49] <CodeLyoko> gehn: also yes, Cinnamon is made by the people who dev Linux Mint, its the default DE for Mint
[20:49] <gehn> CodeLyoko, right ok thanks
[21:09] <solsTiCe> hi. in 19.10, with chromium, my history is empty. Does anyone know why ? Is it related to my settngs in chrome or other google product where I have disabled hitory or is it a bug with the new snap package ?
[21:13] <jeremy31> The Cinnamon DE can be installed in Ubuntu 16.04/18.04 through the repos
[21:19] <CodeLyoko> Cinnamon is avavlible on most distros, almost every one i've used have had cinnamon in the repos
[21:22] <gehn> I tried Mint a long time ago, at the time I heard other distros had problems with Cinnamon
[21:22] <gehn> fwiw it looks like Cinnamon has no plans to ever to move to Wayland
[21:22] <gehn> which is... interesting
[21:23] <gehn> no plans to ever even provide a wayland version that is
[21:23] <gehn> too bad, I like the idea of Cinnamon because I really hate what the new GNOME did
[21:30] <Aktive> why does canonical live patch require an acount ?
[21:30] <Aktive> *account
[21:33] <Aktive> @gehn what did you hate that Gnome did?
[21:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> im still having issues with ubuntu logging me out for no reason...
[21:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> i can log back in no problem...
[21:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> but its seemingly persistent, although sporadic
[21:59] <s3nd1v0g1us> where can i access the log necessarily to see what might have occured?
[21:59] <s3nd1v0g1us> would the log record an event like that?
[22:01] <s3nd1v0g1us> this most recent event was preceded by my trying to use ctrl-left click to open a link through weechat/irc.
[22:01] <s3nd1v0g1us> not that that is typical. thats only what preceded this particular event.
[22:02] <s3nd1v0g1us> this did not occur before the upgrade to 19.10.
[22:04] <jeremy31> s3nd1v0g1us: the logs are in /var/log/  it might be in the Xorg or kernel logs
[22:06] <s3nd1v0g1us> ill check there
[22:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> Nov 10 15:49:44 yugg0th kernel: [ 9043.301339] oom-kill:constraint=CONSTRAINT_NONE,nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0,global_oom,task_memcg=/user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-c2.scope,task=python2,pid=9510,uid=0
[22:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> Nov 10 15:49:44 yugg0th kernel: [ 9043.301351] Out of memory: Killed process 9510 (python2) total-vm:4628116kB, anon-rss:4423060kB, file-rss:4kB, shmem-rss:0kB
[22:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> Nov 10 15:49:44 yugg0th kernel: [ 9043.417372] oom_reaper: reaped process 9510 (python2), now anon-rss:0kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB
[22:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> y
[22:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> thats part of what i can see
[22:08] <s3nd1v0g1us> something happened
[22:12] <s3nd1v0g1us> https://0bin.net/paste/2saB745kvZu3koJu#Q-liM3EW3CNdtyh9ANFxCkRZkGQv9IlKC4NxnFHQaWH
[22:14] <s3nd1v0g1us> https://0bin.net/paste/-mLT2OzLTZRtd9ZF#CMpMwnm8z19x83Zq+AYX-jJ1FWer8vyeO4DP+KouL4b
[22:16] <s3nd1v0g1us> those are the kernal and Xorg logs
[22:16] <s3nd1v0g1us> kernel
[22:19] <s3nd1v0g1us> i had thought that since it hadnt occurred again since i updated after the 19.10 upgrade, that all was ok. then it happened again.
[22:39] <gehn> how do I ppa-purge on an apt repo like "http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/"
[22:39] <gehn> https://itsfoss.com/how-to-remove-or-delete-ppas-quick-tip/ says sudo ppa-purge ppa-url
[22:39] <raidghost> https://imgur.com/a/bA30yaB
[22:39] <gehn> but doesn't give an indication of what URL is supposed to look like
[22:40] <gehn> or does that not work because this is technically not a "PPA"
[22:40] <gehn> I mean it's just another sources.list file in the end
[22:42] <CodeLyoko> gehn: perhaps it means something like ppa:teward/znc is a ppa-url?
[22:42] <gehn> CodeLyoko, yes that form of URL works, but only for "standard" PPAs like things from launchpad.net
[22:43] <gehn> for example sudo ppa-purge https://apt.kitware.com/ubuntu just errors out with that it can't figure out the PPA
[22:44] <gehn> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: https://apt.kitware.com ubuntu
[22:47] <gehn> like from the https://apt.kitware.com/ page it has install instructions such as
[22:47] <gehn> sudo apt-add-repository 'deb https://apt.kitware.com/ubuntu/ bionic main'
[22:47] <gehn> so how would I ppa-purge that?
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> gehn: I believe the answer is "sudo ppa-purge -s apt.kitware.com"
[23:19] <koa> hi , my root partition is only 8gb and i have 40gb free space and i want to add the 40gb to 8gb , https://ibb.co/mNfWkTr , any help please
[23:21] <EriC^^> koa: you could make the 40gb as a home partition
[23:22] <fructose> koa: Have you tried gparted?
[23:22] <koa> EriC^^: home partition is fine
[23:22] <koa> fructose: what you mean
[23:22] <fructose> koa: https://gparted.org/
[23:23] <fructose> koa: sudo apt install gparted
[23:23] <koa> fructose: installed , then ?
[23:24] <EriC^^> koa: alternatively, you could use gparted from a live usb, and move the 8gb one to the start of the free space , delete the swap, then expand it and recreate the swap
[23:24] <fructose> koa: Run it. It runs a GUI.
[23:24] <EriC^^> koa: this is a guide on the home partitioning in case you decide to go that route https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[23:25] <bprompt> koa:  pardon my curiosity, the HDD is a 128Gbs one, SSD I assume, why make it GPT?
[23:26] <oerheks> koa never mentioned GPT ...
[23:26] <bprompt> oerheks:  is in the picture
[23:26] <oerheks> but that disk layout is a mess, 2 places with free space
[23:26] <koa> bprompt: im using both hdd and sdd
[23:26] <koa> bprompt: i used hdd for home and ssd for root and swap area
[23:26] <koa> https://imgur.com/7kQCIOl
[23:28] <bprompt> koa:  btw, you don't need to install Gparted, that's where the screenshots are from =)
[23:28] <compdoc> You should probably boot gparted, delete the 2G swap partition, move the 8.5G patition to the end of the ntfs partition, and then grow the part. to fill the free space, and add a swap part at the end, or use a swap file instead
[23:29] <oerheks> maybe just drag the swap to the left..
[23:32] <bprompt> koa:  as suggested above, just delete the partitions between the ext4 and the free space and then merge them, mind you that, Gparted can take a while, or used to, since it does some data integrity process which makes it longer, whilst an fresh installation on an SSD can run around a 10minutes flat, you'd just need to backup your $HOME to put it back, and reinstall packages


[00:07] <nathwill> blkperl
[00:08] <nathwill> i'm working w/ bkerensa on making sure it is
[00:08] <nathwill> anything i need to know?
[00:13] <blkperl> nathwill: just that your 'approved' and we need to go over the details
[01:14] <nathwill> blkperl, okey. i think bkerensa was wanting to make sure we knew the rack size so we got the right hardware
[01:15] <nathwill> we've got the hdd's... we also wanted to know if we should pre-install or...
[01:19] <nathwill> bbiaf
[02:36] <bkerensa> blkperl: I assume the rack depths are standard?
[02:37] <bkerensa> blkperl: if so all we need to do is install the HDD's that nathwill has and add some rales
[02:37] <bkerensa> rails*
[02:43] <blkperl> bkerensa: never assume the rack depths are standard :)
[02:43] <bkerensa> >.<
[02:43] <bkerensa> blkperl: heh
[02:44] <bkerensa> blkperl: do you know the rack depths?
[02:44] <blkperl> nope
[02:44] <blkperl> i can find out tomorrow
[02:45] <bkerensa> blkperl: k the server is 30.4" (77.2cm) D x 16.7" (42.6cm) W x 1.67" (4.26cm) H with bezel attached
[02:45] <bkerensa> Rack Weight 35.8 lbs (16.3 Kg), maximum configuration
[02:45] <bkerensa> https://www.dell.com/us/dfb/p/poweredge-1950/pd
[02:45] <bkerensa> dual PSU's
[02:49] <blkperl> cool
[07:45] <bkerensa> gnight folks


[14:24] <quaru> Hey, I have a question about ubuntu core...  specifically if it can meet STIG
[18:28] <sarnold> hey quaru, I don't think that ubuntu core has been prepared with the intention of meeting any specific security standard; it's probably worth an email to security-certifications@lists.canonical.com


[04:45] <inetpro> fp
[04:45] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:36] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[06:06] <Kilos> morning everyone
[06:14] <inetpro> hi Kilos, thatgraemeguy
[06:15] <Kilos> hi inetpro thatgraemeguy
[06:15] <inetpro> Kilos: did you have frost this morning?
[06:15] <Kilos> yes and last few days already
[06:16] <inetpro> really?


[02:23] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Ping.
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Pong
[02:44] <Eickmeyer> (just got home from work)
[02:50] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Did I ignore/miss your ping, or did you not ping for package sponsorship? ;)
[03:09] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Well, I had pinged for sponsorship which you answered. What do I need to do to format the calf bug for Cosmic? Or, what really needs to happen, upstream into Debian?
[03:12] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: The bug doesn't need to be reformatted for Cosmic.
[03:12] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I'm saying, format the upload correctly.
[03:12] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: i.e. remove the auto build changelog entry and target it at Cosmic.
[03:13] <Eickmeyer> Oh, okay.
[03:19] <tsimonq2> Thanks Eickmeyer.
[03:42] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Do you need the debdiff for that?
[03:49] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I do.
[04:28] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Done, check bug report, subscribed sponsors.
[04:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: tsimonq2 just got -controls released into Cosmic.
[04:56] <Eickmeyer> http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/05/Ron-Paul_Its-Happening1.gif
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I'll upload this on one condition; you need to join the Debian Multimedia Team in Debian (it'll maybe take a day to be approved), and join #debian-multimedia on OFTC.
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Also, please make a merge proposal for now. I can merge it right away, and when that's done, we can work on a team upload.
[05:16] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Can you do that? ;)
[13:28] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I had gone to bed, but yeah, I can get that done. Probably sometime this afternoon or evening.
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Done with the Debian Multimedia Team joining and joining the IRC channel as well.
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> I'll get the merge proposal done this evening, right now my son is insisting with an insistent bell in my ear that I need to play Minecraft with him.