[08:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Reconciliation Day! :-D
[14:08] <Nothing_Much> Hey guys, I can't sync my purchased music folder
[14:12] <Nothing_Much> Anybody?
[14:13] <Nothing_Much> I also can't download all of my music files at once
[14:15] <dobey> sync on what OS?
[14:21] <Nothing_Much> dobey: Ubuntu :P
[14:24] <dobey> do you get an error when you try to enable sync on that folder? have you looked at the logs to see if there's anything off in it?
[14:25] <Nothing_Much> where are the logs?
[14:25] <Nothing_Much> It just stops at Getting information, please wait...
[14:27] <Nothing_Much> Well, it keeps going
[14:38] <dobey> in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/
[14:38] <dobey> do you have a non-zero size syncdaemon-exceptions.log there?
[14:40] <Nothing_Much> dobey: non-zero?
[14:44] <dobey> Nothing_Much: yes, if the file size is zero, the file is empty
[14:45] <Nothing_Much> it's not empty
[14:45] <dobey> can you post the contents on pastebin.ubuntu.com please?
[14:48] <Nothing_Much> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7194601/ dobey
[14:51] <dobey> Nothing_Much: oh, it seems you have a problem because you changed your username at some point
[14:51] <Nothing_Much> oh darn
[14:51] <Nothing_Much> Well it doesn't matter, all I needed was my purchased music anyways
[14:53] <dobey> you should be able to follow the instructions at https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/how-can-i-change-the-ubuntu-one-account-my-computer-is-setup-with/ to fix the issue
[15:10] <tbarat> I have seen the news that U1 will be cease
[15:13] <dobey> the file sync service will be turned off, yes. not all of ubuntu one is going away
[15:14] <dobey> well, the music store, file sync, and music streaming, will be turned off.


[10:32] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntugnome-blocker
[10:32] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ricotz ^
[10:34] <darkxst> if you come across any -desktop bugs, blocking GNOME please add that tag!
[21:12] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I finally made contact with sugar's upstream. They'd not heard about the new upower at all. They'll have it done in a few months (release freeze or something currently)
[23:20] <darkxst> Noskcaj, only one extenstion uses upower (for sugar)?
[23:21] <Noskcaj> I think so
[23:22] <Noskcaj> extensions/deviceicon/battery.py
[23:35] <darkxst> could just drop that extension
[23:35] <darkxst> though doesnt look like anyone actually even uses sugar, based on the lack of bugs!
[23:36] <darkxst> Noskcaj, can you rebase u-s-d and u-c-c branches on bug 1228765
[23:36] <Noskcaj> debian popcon is less than 100, so i doubt anyone would notice it missing
[23:36] <Noskcaj> and ok


[01:17] <dylan-m> Anyone here happen to know if the software-center reviews / ratings feature is going to land for Lucid?
[01:17] <nigelb> dylan-m: It is.  http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/02/23/awesome-ubuntu-software-center-updates/
[01:18] <wgrant> The spec was updated a few days ago in ways which indicate that it has been deferred.
[01:18] <wgrant> And I would hope that it had been deferred, at this point.
[01:18] <nigelb> oh
[01:19] <dylan-m> wgrant, nigelb: Indeed, I suspected that since the rating is using popcon data now :)
[01:19] <dylan-m> Oh well, it was a bit gutsy for one cycle; lots of web infrastructure changes to make!
[01:19] <wgrant> Yes.
[01:19] <wgrant> And they were left far too late, as usual :/
[01:21] <dylan-m> Makes my job easier :P
[01:21] <wgrant> I might also point out that it looks like the Django backend is proprietary, so it's reasonable to complain :)
[01:21] <dylan-m> (well, slightly. The slideshow probably wouldn't be mentioning reviews anyway, but somebody is bound to think it should).
[01:36] <lamont> ScottK: do we want 2.6.6 in a karmic ppa somewhere?
[01:56] <ScottK> lamont: I didn't look to see what's fixed in it.  It seems to me that Postfix is another package we ought to get TB permission to push through -updates.
[01:57] <lamont> building it to toss in my ppa now, feel free to push on the TB - I'll even chime in with a +1
[01:57] <ScottK> OK.
[01:58]  * ScottK piles it on the TODO.
[02:06] <lamont> tree pushing to alioth, package uploaded to ~lamont/+ppa/karmic
[03:16] <lamont> so I realize it's all supposed to be magically intuitive and all that, but why do the window titles in the bottom panel have some random one lighter than the others?
[03:17] <ion> Hm. I don’t have such behavior. Lighter exactly how? The text or the background?
[03:18] <persia> lamont: Does it appear to have any relation to focus?
[03:21] <lamont> persia: yes
[03:22] <ion> Desktops have been highlighting the focused window in the window list one way or another at least since Windows 95. :-P
[03:23] <persia> lamont: In that case, I presume the answer is "To let users know which application they have focused right now"
[03:23] <persia> ion: Depends on which window list.  The one I use doesn't do that (even in lucid)
[03:23] <ScottK> It's funny how many systems insist on helping me solve this confusion that I really almost never seem to have.
[03:25] <lamont> people.debian.org/~lamont/focus.png
[03:25] <lamont> which reminds me that I should fix it so I can actually put things on people.u.c again
[03:27] <lamont> there.  that wasn't hard
[03:29] <lamont> except for the part where I need to do one more thing tomorrow
[03:39] <lamont> persia: intersting.  zombies have taken over
[03:42] <persia> It always ends up that way when the Trioxin containment fails.
[03:43] <lamont> wgrant: bug 543162
[03:44] <lamont> wgrant: you want anything more than the bug has before I stab them?
[03:44] <wgrant> lamont: Let's have a look.
[03:45] <lamont> wgrant: so from that, what we have is lp-buildd with a zombie scan-for-processes child, and no love.
[03:45] <wgrant> lamont: Can you attach the lp-buildd log for the whole build, just in case?
[03:45] <lamont> I'm firmly confident that a restart of lp-buildd will fix that immediate instance of the issue, beyond that, pain
[03:45] <wgrant> Right.
[03:46] <lamont> build-1550990-3166975  build-1569828-3204910 <-- pretty sure one of those just doesn't belong
[03:47] <wgrant> Those are in /home/buildd?
[03:47] <lamont> yeah
[03:47] <wgrant> Sounds like something died a while ago, then...
[03:47] <lamont> wgrant: and I'm gonna skip attaching 450KB of log
[03:48] <Pretto> how can i file a bug about lucid updates messing with .desktop files?
[03:48] <wgrant> Pretto: You mean adding X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain at the top of a few of them?
[03:48] <Pretto> wgrant: yes
[03:48] <wgrant> Pretto: That's been fixed for around 18 hours now.
[03:48] <Pretto> wgrant: a lot of them
[03:49] <Pretto> wgrant: ok so :D
[03:50] <persia> Pretto: If you've a case where it's still that way after an update, please let us know, but we believe everything is fixed except gedit/armel
[03:50] <Pretto> persia: updated today afternoon, got a lot of .desktop messes, actually i have a list of them
[03:51] <wgrant> Pretto: Can you pastebin the list?
[03:51] <persia> Pretto: Please put the list at paste.ubuntu.com : if there's something else needs doing, we can do it.
[03:51] <Pretto> wgrant: of course
[03:51] <lamont> builds slapped, building again
[03:51] <wgrant> lamont: Thanks.
[03:52] <persia> lamont: gedit/likewise-open?  Thank you.
[03:53] <lamont> yep
[03:54] <lamont> hrm... getting a screenshot of the crap colors in firefox will be problematic
[03:54] <lamont> well, until I log into the machine from another machine to trigger the screen snapshot
[03:55] <lamont> persia: mind you, there's no guarantee that they won't die in exactly the same way when they finish building this time
[03:56] <persia> Well, I can hope :)
[03:56] <lamont> heh
[03:56]  * lamont wanders off.  g'night
[03:57] <wgrant> Night.
[03:58] <Pretto> wgrant: persia http://paste.ubuntu.com/398581/
[03:58] <persia> Pretto: Which mirror are you using?
[03:59] <Pretto> persia: main server
[03:59] <persia> archive.ubuntu.com?
[03:59] <wgrant> Those have all been fixed on archive.ubuntu.com for almost a day now.
[04:00] <persia> Well, 18 hours, but yeah.
[04:00] <wgrant> Right, something along those lines.
[04:00] <Pretto>  persia yes
[04:00] <wgrant> Pretto: Which version of gnome-panel do you have installed?
[04:01] <persia> Pretto: Please try updating again.
[04:02] <Pretto> wgrant: gnome 2.29.92
[04:02] <wgrant> Pretto: I need the bit at the end as well.
[04:02] <wgrant> -0ubuntuSOMETHING
[04:02] <Pretto> persia: 19.6 mb of updates
[04:02] <wgrant> Pretto: Install them and see if they help.
[04:04] <Pretto> wgrant: gnome 2.29.92-0ubuntu1, but i will update now
[04:05] <Pretto> by the way, i have fixed the .desktop manually
[04:06] <lamont> do-release-upgrade -d
[04:06] <lamont> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[04:06] <lamont> No new release found
[04:06] <lamont> ok.  what did I break underneath myself?
[04:06] <persia> lamont: Are you perhaps already running lucid?
[04:06] <wgrant> Or trying to upgrade Hardy->Lucid?
[04:07] <lamont> hardy->lucid
[04:07] <lamont> is that not yet believed in?
[04:07] <wgrant> Lucid's not in meta-release-lts yet
[04:07] <Pretto> got some parsing errors after update
[04:07] <wgrant> Even as a development release.
[04:08] <lamont> well, given that it works on a different machine, I'm inclined to believe that I'm just being cruel to the underlying host
[04:08] <wgrant> Hm, maybe meta-release* aren't important any more.
[04:08] <lamont> meta-release-lts gets fetched from changelogs.u.c still, yes?
[04:08] <wgrant> Oh, oops, wrong file.
[04:08] <wgrant> Yes.
[04:08] <wgrant> OK, so Lucid is there.
[04:08] <wgrant> So it should just work.
[04:09] <lamont> yeah - blocked port.
[04:10] <Pretto> wgrant: where can i find update log?
[04:10] <wgrant> Pretto: /var/log/dpkg.log might help.
[04:11] <wgrant> Pretto: Which versions of gnome-panel and nautilus do you have now?
[04:12] <Pretto> wgrant: gnome panel Version: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3
[04:12] <wgrant> Pretto: That's the fixed version of that one.
[04:13] <Pretto> wgrant: but i saw parsing errors on .desktop files, but i cant see it on dpkg log
[04:13] <persia> that would be ~/.xsession-errors
[04:14] <lamont> amusing. running hardy: Prompt=lts --> lucid upgrade.  Prompt=normal --> intrepid upgrade
[04:14] <Pretto> persia: no, i meant inside the xterm windows in the update-manager
[04:14] <lamont> somehow that feels worthy of a bug
[04:14] <persia> lamont: That's intentional.
[04:14] <lamont> srsly?
[04:15] <persia> lamont: Yes.  It looks odd here, but e.g. intrepid -> lucid isn't well tested, and may explode.
[04:15] <persia> lamont: So, "normal" always goes to the next 18-month release.
[04:15] <lamont> persia: not only untested, but expected to explode
[04:15] <persia> No.
[04:16] <persia> It might work.  We don't actually know.
[04:16] <lamont> OTOH, if I'm running d-r-u, I'd want to at least get asked "oh, hey, which of these 2 supported upgrade targets do you want to use"
[04:16] <persia> But we also don't know that it *will* explode.
[04:16] <lamont> otherwise the less-attentive will wind up doing 4 upgrades in the place of 1
[04:16] <persia> lamont: Now that's worth a bug.
[04:16] <wgrant> Well, if you had upgrades set to 'normal', you would have been prompted to upgrade 18 months ago.
[04:17] <ScottK> There won't be two supported upgrades.
[04:17] <ScottK> Intrepid goes out of support ~ the same time Lucid becomes supported
[04:17] <lamont> wgrant: and I might have said 'no'
[04:17] <lamont> ScottK: probably.  there isn't actually any guarantee of that
[04:18] <ScottK> lamont: True, but based on the promised support timeframes.
[04:18] <lamont> and hopefully d-r-u DTRT when intrepid goes *poof* and then someone runs it (notice and use old-releases.u.c)
[04:18] <lamont> we've overdelivered in the past
[04:18] <lamont> not always, and sometimes by < 10 days, but...
[04:20] <persia> I'm fairly certain d-r-u doesn't know about old-releases.u.c : I strongly suspect it needs a patch to Ubuntu.info.in in python-apt
[04:23] <lamont> persia: you lie
[04:24] <lamont> mvo added code for us when, um, hardy came out
[04:24] <lamont> because of the fun manual "fire up another terminal and edit sources.list" step for doing edgy->F->G->hardy
[04:24] <persia> Well, I know python-apt doesn't know about it.  If it's special-cased in do-release-upgrade, that's not entirely bad.
[04:25] <lamont> it's in the tarballs that get downloaded
[04:25] <lamont> d-r-u just parses the metafiles
[04:25] <lamont> afaik
[04:25] <lamont> anyway, bug 543165 filed, targeted at beta-2 just because
[04:26] <persia> Well, d-r-u does a bit more than just parse, but yeah, if it's in the tarfiles, all is good.
[04:26] <Pretto> persia: do you know the command to parse .desktop files? i mean to test all of them
[04:26] <Pretto> something like a rebuild
[04:27] <persia> There's validate-desktop-file for validation.
[04:27] <persia> They are built as part of package build: there is no rebuild tool.
[04:27] <wgrant> desktop-file-validate, actually.
[04:27] <persia> RIght.
[04:29] <persia> Although it doesn't get used that much.  I don't install a bunch of stuff, and have 62 validation errors of one sort or another.
[04:33] <Pretto> too much work, i need to do it file by file
[04:40] <Pretto> persia: it's ok now
[04:41] <Pretto> the parser is oli reporting errors like this
[04:41] <Pretto> only*
[04:41] <Pretto>  key "StartupNotify" in group "Desktop Entry" contains invalid characters, boolean values must be "false" or "true"
[05:05]  * abhinav is away: Abhinav|away
[05:06]  * abhinav is away: breakfast
[05:06] <persia> !away > abhinav
[06:04] <kees> crimsun: sorry, I massively wrecked that changelog english.  :(  It should read "scripts/init-top/framebuffer: create "fbmode" argument to allow forcing a mode via fb /sys interfaces, for framebuffers that do not correctly handle setting mode via module options."
[06:13] <lamont> kees: the new version is english?
[06:13] <lamont> :-D
[06:24] <kees> lamont: heh.
[06:27] <pda-> php5-cli in lucid seems to have lost its readline support.. anybody know anything about this, or know where I should look?
[06:34] <micahg> pda-: you can check with the server team in #ubuntu-server
[06:34] <pda-> ok cheers
[06:56] <pda-> (re php5-cli/readline: I've submitted LP bug #543212)
[07:06] <MTecknology> Is there any reason our default umask is 022 instead of say 0027?
[07:07] <wgrant> MTecknology: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/umask-to-0002 is relevant, but goes the other way.
[07:08] <MTecknology> wgrant: WTF!?
[07:08] <MTecknology> please for god sake tell me that's not actually going to make it into main...
[07:09] <wgrant> Why not?
[07:09] <wgrant> It has a good rationale.
[07:10] <MTecknology> can that at least be a different default for server installs?
[07:10]  * wgrant is not involved with it at all.
[07:10] <MTecknology> the 022 seems very lax
[07:11] <MTecknology> giving g+rwx seems like it's right next to permission 777 which is -brilliant-
[07:12] <wgrant> But the default group contains only the user.
[07:12] <MTecknology> i suppose, what about the thought of 007?
[07:13] <MTecknology> would that sound reasonablY?
[07:14] <MTecknology> wgrant: thanks for the link
[12:57] <iulian> asac: Hi.  Have you got a couple of minutes to take a look at bug #482890 and say your opinion about it?
[12:59] <iulian> I'm inclined to accept it but I would like to hear your opinion as well.
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> iulian, the current version in the archive doesn't work with 3.6 anyway
[13:12] <chrisccoulson> iulian, we should either sync it or remove it from the archive entirely
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> so i would just accept the sync
[13:56] <iulian> chrisccoulson: OK.
[14:11] <ScottK> iulian: I was going to say ....  Given the plans for Firefox getting continuous updates, I'm more inclined towards removal for such thing.  At some point in the next three years it's sure to be totally broken again.
[14:47] <iulian> ScottK: Hm, alrighty.  Would you like to add a comment saying that?
[14:48] <ScottK> iulian: I didn't put it in the bug, because I really wasn't sure.  You've already given it an ack, so I wouldn't propose that I'd override that.  Feel free to copy/paste into the bug if you think it's worthwhile.
[14:49] <iulian> OK.
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> ScottK - I've been going through the extensions in the archive recently to try and decide what to do with them with the new firefox support model
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/extension-list
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> you're more than welcome to share your opinion on any of those :)
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> but, my preference for most of them is to just remove them
[14:53] <ScottK> chrisccoulson: I don't have expertise to have an opinion on any specific one, generally I think that unless there is some reason to believe they'll be usable for a couple of years of Firefox updates, they should be removed.
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> ScottK - there are some extensions that will be ported to newer Firefox versions in the future, but I think most extensions we have in the archive will break at some point during the life of the release when we roll out a new major firefox version
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> directhex - do you look after beagle?
[15:02] <ScottK> Even the ones that would be ported, the in archive version would still be broken.
[15:03] <directhex> chrisccoulson, to a degree, that degree being "beagle's dead and we can't get it to work against the new gmime"
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> directhex - excellent. if it's dead, would you mind disabling the mozilla extension? (i think it provides one doesn't it?)
[15:04] <Laney> no, it's been ported
[15:04] <Laney> there's just a crash that we haven't/can't debug, so won't upload
[15:05] <directhex> Laney, i guess the moz bit needs porting to ff3.6... i think we should disbale it
[15:05] <Laney> we need to upload to disable evo anyway
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> Laney - the extension will most likely break again during the life of lucid, when new FF versions are introduced...
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> so i'm not sure how we can maintain that
[15:05] <Laney> but the reason we didn't upload isn't because we don't have a reason to, it's because we know it to be crashy :(
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> ah ;)
[15:06] <Laney> it's not even in squeeze atm
[15:08] <Laney> chrisccoulson: I'd advise you to just do it in lucid
[15:09] <Laney> maybe grab from svn and upload that
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> Laney - ok, thanks. i'll do that when i next get the chance
[15:12] <lamont> so... when uxterm is obscured by a terminator window, and then unobscured through a change in workspaces, it does not redraw the obscured portion... which package gets that bug (new to lucid)
[15:19] <persia> lamont: Does this only happen with terminator, or other obstructions as well?
[15:21] <lamont> not xchat, not other uxterms
[15:21] <lamont> not firefox
[15:21] <lamont> bored of checking
[15:22] <lamont> just for the record: PII-233?  slow.
[15:22] <persia> lamont: File against terminator then :)
[15:23] <lamont> terminator maintainer, he say X
[15:23] <lamont> if it's terminator, then it's really libgtk
[15:25] <persia> Perhaps, or perhaps not taking advantage of one of those odd GTK_OPTION_WITH_REALLY_LONG_NAME_THAT_EVERY_APPLICATION_SHOULD_USE_BUT_IS_NOT_DEFAULT_FOR_NO_GOOD_REASON constants
[15:25] <lamont> heh
[15:25] <lamont> kinda like SO_REUSE, eh
[15:26] <lamont> interesting... why did I wind up with grub1 on my upgraded box?  does grub2 not do root-on-lvm-on-raid yet?
[15:26] <persia> I thought it did, but I also thought that there wasn't any automatic grub1->grub2 transition because there are too many corner cases.
[15:26] <asac> iulian: acked too now
[15:27] <lamont> ah.  that may be it - because my PII didn't get it either, and if ever there was a vanila config
[15:28] <persia> SO_REUSE is a short one.  The one that caught my eye recently was gtk_image_menu_item_set_always_show_image (GTK_IMAGE_MENU_ITEM (item_toggle), TRUE)
[15:33] <iulian> asac: Thank you.
[15:56] <lamont> drwxr-xr-x 127 hpojlp lp 8192 2010-03-21 09:55 /etc
[15:56] <lamont> say WUT?
[15:57] <lamont> thanks ubottu
[15:57] <lamont> thanks not
[15:58] <sebner> lamalex: hahaha! xD
[15:58]  * lamont makes a note to see about reproducing that bug
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> would a member of ubuntu-release be able to ACK bug 537900 for me please?
[17:39] <sheldon> hi, i cannot remove some packages from my personal ppa. I recevie this error
[17:39] <sheldon> Unexpected form data
[17:39] <sheldon> Launchpad doesn't understand the form data submitted in this request.
[17:40] <micahg> sheldon: try #launchpad
[17:40] <sheldon> thanks
[17:46] <lamont>  ▒ ┴␊⎼␋°≤ ├␤▒├ ≤⎺┤⎼ ┼␊┬ GRUB 2 ⎽␊├┤⎻ ␋⎽ °┤┼␌├␋⎺┼▒┌ °⎺⎼ ≤⎺┤, ␉␊°⎺⎼␊ ≤⎺┤
[17:46]  * lamont thinks it may be confused
[19:34] <AnAnt> Hello, will an update-alternatives method be provided to change the plymouth theme ?
[20:00] <psusi> can anyone with more knowledge of udev weigh in on the proper fix to this important bug that really needs fixed before lucid ships?  dmraid currently goes into an infinite loop because every time it activates a raid array it deletes the partitions from the underlying disks, which causes another activation
[20:00] <psusi> one way to fix it seems to be to modify the udev rule so that it only activates on add, not change
[20:00] <psusi> another possibility would be to have udev remove the partitions when blkid detects that it is a raid member, rather than having dmraid do it on activation
[20:01] <psusi> and I'm sure there's other ways I have not thought of...
[20:37] <superm1> pitti, i was thinking as an alternative to checking glob(/var/lib/apt/ etc), you could probably instead just check for 'dkms' instead of 'bash'.  most of the drivers enabled via jockey would need DKMS anyhow, so having that on the repository should be a good indicator
[20:45] <jcastro> crimsun: I have a machine that isn't remembering it's volume level in alamixer, I did the alsactl store 0 mention in SoundTroubleshooting, am I looking in the wrong place?
[21:53] <ebroder> Does anybody understand how the openjdk packaging works? I want to try and get a commit from upstream cherry-picked, and I can't figure out how to do it
[21:54] <micahg> if I have a package that FTBFS when it built, but builds fine now, do I need to bump the ubuntu version or can an archive admin respin (It FTBFS on everything except i386)
[21:55] <ebroder> micahg: Whoever uploaded the package has a button they can click to rebuild
[21:55] <wgrant> micahg: Anyone with upload rights can retry it. Which architecture?
[21:55] <wgrant> Er, which package?
[21:55] <micahg> libtunepimp
[21:56] <wgrant> Ah, main. I can't help you there.
[21:56] <micahg> wgrant: that's why I'm in here :)
[21:57] <RAOF> micahg: How's gjs going?  When trying to get a jit-disabled package I found that armel ftbfs even with the jit disabled now, so that's not a winner :(
[21:58] <micahg> RAOF: ok, we'll have to fix it before beta 2 then
[21:58] <micahg> RAOF: I'll see if asac has any quick ideas
[21:59] <micahg> RAOF: can you respin libtunepimp on amd64 for lucid?
[21:59]  * RAOF is also not core-dev
[22:00] <micahg> hmmm
[22:01] <micahg> kubuntu-dev has rights as well if that helps anyone...
[22:04] <cody-somerville> Link?
[22:05] <micahg> cody-somerville: amd64: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtunepimp/0.5.3-7.2ubuntu1/+build/1473412
[22:06] <cody-somerville> micahg, What makes you think a rebuild will fix that issue?
[22:06] <micahg> cody-somerville: I just tried it in pbuilder...I can upload to PPA if you want to see
[22:07] <cody-somerville> Is it a newer version of libtool stuff that makes it build successfully now?
[22:08] <cody-somerville> Anyhow, retried build
[22:09] <micahg> cody-somerville: no idea
[22:09] <micahg> didn't have time to look too much into it
[22:12] <crimsun> jcastro: which release? what is appearing not to remember (e.g., GNOME login? gdm login-ready?)?
[22:22] <micahg> cody-somerville: it built :) can you respin the rest of the arches?
[22:23] <cody-somerville> micahg, aye, done.
[22:23] <micahg> cody-somerville: thank you...that should save some xubuntu people trouble on upgrade :)
[22:52] <jcastro> crimsun: lucid, the "Speaker" slider in alsamixer always reverts to 0
[22:53] <jcastro> crimsun: I can slide it back and then the volume is normal, but it keeps reverting to 0 on reboot/login.
[22:54] <crimsun> jcastro: so the stored gdm volume is 0. Nuke /var/lib/gdm/.pulse*
[23:03] <jcastro> crimsun: ok, anything useful you need from it? It's a regression from karmic so I want to make sure the info goes to the right place
[23:05] <crimsun> jcastro: the files themselves aren't useful; I'll just need to spend time this week working on an upgrade path
[23:05] <crimsun> no idea how that's going to happen, since cansecwest is this week, too
[23:14]  * ebroder sighs
[23:14] <ebroder> Where are the docs on doing merges with bzr again?
[23:16] <xnox> ebroder, wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment
[23:16] <xnox> or something like that
[23:17] <xnox> not sure typing by heart =)
[23:19] <ebroder> Yeah, but I can't find it anywhere in there
[23:20] <ebroder> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/ClientToolsV1Design is the closest I can find to actually having commands of any the pages /DistributedDevelopment links to, and that one doesn't actually help me
[23:21] <cjwatson> look up a bit
[23:21] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation
[23:22] <cjwatson> which links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/Merging
[23:22] <ebroder> Aha. That's a very small link on a comparatively long page
[23:27] <ebroder> Hmm...I'm getting http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/HVpFcqri
[23:28] <ebroder> And when I look at debian/control and debian/rules the whole file is just wrapped in conflict markers (i.e. there's nothing detected as common between the two revisions)
[23:28] <cjwatson> 'bzr help remerge' might help
[23:29] <cjwatson> if it works
[23:29] <ebroder> Well...`bzr remerge --merge-type weave` seem to have...done something? Let me look
[23:30] <ebroder> Yeah, it looks like that worked


[02:14] <fuze> is there a way to have each account in kmail save sent items to a different folder/ the sent folder for each account. the only thing i can see is under identities where all sent mail can go into the same folder
[08:38] <bit0> hi :D
[08:38] <bit0> some humanoid here
[08:38] <bit0> ^_^
[08:42] <soee> hiho bit0
[08:42] <bit0> hi
[08:43] <bit0> I am thinking
[08:43] <bit0> I have promlems changing my dns provider
[08:43] <soee> in network manager
[08:43] <soee> ?
[08:44] <bit0> my ip is a dinamic ip so it do not work
[08:44] <bit0> and then I change throwards the konsole
[08:45] <bit0> *through
[08:46] <soee> and it works ?
[08:48] <bit0> but each time I power off the pc the file resolv.conf change again to the default DNS
[08:48] <soee> well maybe create some startup script ?
[08:49] <bit0> good
[08:49] <soee> in SYstem Settings -> Startup & Shutdown -> Add Script ...
[08:50] <bit0> thank you
[08:58] <bit0> I am seeing a program on my screen, called Translate Text, it say me: Language detection not avaible
[08:58] <bit0> are there some way to do it work
[09:04] <lordievader> bit0: Why not setup NetworkManager to use Google's dns?
[09:05] <viewer|30565> I have nvidia gtx 1070 graphic card, I dual boot windows and kubuntu, I have latest drivers from graphic ppa. Problem is, in Windows card is at 40C idle, in Kubuntu 60C idle.
[09:07] <bit0> lordievader: I think it do not work
[09:08] <lordievader> It should...
[09:08] <lordievader> That is the way it is normally done ;)
[09:09] <bit0> I look at this file and found that do not work. resolv.conf
[09:10] <lordievader> What is it set to? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:10] <bit0> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:11] <bit0> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:21] <lordievader> Yes, that is correct.
[09:22] <lordievader> NM sets up a dnsmasq to listen to that ip address. Dnsmasq further queries the set dns server.
[09:22] <lordievader> And caches the answers.
[09:24] <bit0> so does resolv.conf with nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> is ok if I want <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:31] <lordievader> Yes.
[09:32] <lordievader> You can check it, ofcourse, set it up and check the traffic towards <IP_ADDRESS> with tcpdump.
[09:32] <bit0> on the konsole?
[09:35] <lordievader> Yes, 'sudo tcpdump -i any 'host <IP_ADDRESS>'
[09:42] <bit0> ^_^ I reset the pc
[09:44] <lordievader> Why?
[09:44] <bit0> I open konqueror and all frezz
[09:46] <bit0> my gpbernement do it
[09:46] <bit0> all time blocking and hacking my pc
[09:46] <bit0> I have sick
[09:47] <bit0> I am sick
[09:48] <bit0> ^_^
[09:48] <bit0> Muslims
[09:48] <bit0> from spain
[09:48] <bit0> square and black heads
[09:49] <bit0> infecting all Spanish-speaking countries
[12:23] <barq> When is 16.04 eol?
[12:27] <acheronuk> barq: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[12:27] <soee> RIO nr 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA-vCAd-3mY
[12:27] <acheronuk> "Maintenance updates will be provided for 5 years for Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Cloud, Ubuntu Core, and Ubuntu Kylin. All the remaining flavours will be supported for 3 years."
[12:28] <barq> OK, and Kubuntu has the same eol has Ubuntu?
[12:53] <lordievader> barq: Like acheronuk just said, three years. Not five like Ubuntu has.
[12:59] <Arthur_D> hi, by mistake I upgraded to 16.04 from 14.04 and fonts are not uniformly sized and it's a huge step back
[13:00] <Arthur_D> any idea how to make the fonts everywhere the same size?
[13:02] <Arthur_D> and no, system settings -> fonts -> configure all fonts does NOT work everywhere, leaving me with either tiny 4 px fonts or enormous 48 px fonts at important places
[13:03] <Arthur_D> which also makes things overlap in strange and ugly ways
[13:03] <Arthur_D> it's actually a significantly worse experience than Windows 10, excepting privacy issues
[13:05] <barq> I had that problem before with the fonts before Arthur_D
[13:05] <Arthur_D> any solution, except reinstalling 14.04?
[13:05] <barq> What gtk do you have
[13:05] <barq> I fixed it temporarily with force fonts dpi
[13:05] <barq> But I just checked, right now I am not forcing and it is working.
[13:06] <Arthur_D> forcing font DPI leaves some places enormous
[13:06] <barq> For me the breeze light theme causes plasma crashes
[13:06] <barq> I need to use breeze dark, but I don't like dark themes
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:10] <Arthur_D> I use Breeze as GTK themes as well
[13:10] <barq> No crashes?
[13:11] <Arthur_D> only the system settings app so far, which uses Qt obviously
[13:14] <barq> I get crashes when using eclipse
[13:14] <Arthur_D> this is how it looks like with forced font DPI at 96: https://i.imgur.com/FJInU7g.jpg
[13:14] <Arthur_D> some apps, no problem, others, including searching in the menu, huge
[13:16] <barq> nice
[13:16] <Arthur_D> with forced DPI off, the same places have 4px high fonts
[13:16] <barq> There are some cheap microscopes on ebay at the moment.
[13:16] <Arthur_D> it's the worst piece of sssshhh...oeleather I've seen in a long time
[13:18] <Arthur_D> I don't really blame KDE devs much, but Kubuntu for not having one more LTS release with a known usable desktop such as Plasma 4
[13:18] <Arthur_D> fewer and less severe bugs, and at least mostly known bugs in 4
[13:18] <barq> What are they using now
[13:18] <Arthur_D> what, Kubuntu 16.04? KDE Plasma 5
[13:18] <barq> ok
[13:19] <acheronuk> Arthur_D: I've installed 16.04 probably about a dozen times now, and have not seen those issues. So something a bit unusual is going on there.
[13:20] <Arthur_D> well it's a TV screen at completely normal 1080p
[13:20] <Arthur_D> no dual graphics, no dual screen
[13:20] <skrite> hello all !
[13:20] <barq> Nice, no more hash sum mismatches when attempting to update
[13:22] <bit0> *_^
[13:22] <bit0> teach me install spotify
[13:23] <Vorap> bit0: https://www.spotify.com/se/download/linux/
[13:23] <Vorap> ^_^
[13:23] <bit0> thank you
[13:24] <Vorap> No worries
[13:24] <bit0> cool
[13:24] <Vorap> :)
[13:29] <barq> Now I get 407  Proxy Authentication Required
[13:31] <bit0> Vorap: no. I do not work
[13:31] <bit0> it doesn't work
[13:31] <bit0> sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list
[13:31] <bit0> it is the problem
[13:43] <skrite> what is a good file system for a usb stick that can handle a file > 32 GB   It needs to work on most linux distros
[13:44] <ikonia> ext4
[13:46] <skrite> ikonia: awesome, thanks
[15:13] <paranoidabhi> say I buy a laptop which comes pre-installed with ubuntu. Should I just install kubuntu-desktop on it or remove ubuntu and install kubuntu.
[15:55] <eliad> ciao a tutti
[16:13] <Me5> ok , just did another round of updates  for 16.04 , What on earth is with all these boxes around every icon i put on the desktop
[16:13] <Me5> i thought it was a "bug " of sorts that would of been worked out by now
[16:13] <Me5> i guess i'm mistaken
[16:13] <Me5> any help out there?
[16:18] <obert_> 74 B/s download speed after apt-get upgrade :(
[17:22] <DAN_NI> hello
[17:24] <DAN_NI> david
[17:41] <DAN-NI> hello
[17:43] <soee> hiho
[18:02] <DAN-NI> is chromium better than firefox?
[18:04] <soee> DAN-NI: tray it and decide
[18:04] <soee> im using Vivaldi
[18:04] <DAN-NI> open source chrome?
[18:45] <Guest89565> \msg Nickserv sugaplum
[18:46] <fuze> is there a way to have each account in kmail save sent items to a different folder/ the sent folder for each account. the only thing i can see is under identities where all sent mail can go into the same folder
[19:00] <neutrinomass> How can I transfer files too my samsung s7 on kubuntu 16.04.1? If I just use dolphin it crashes with "mtp process crashed unexpected" or something
[19:00] <neutrinomass> *to
[19:34] <simonxify> does it have software center
[20:13] <fuze> s_20: try the pushbullet app for google chrome and in the play store
[20:33] <paolinux> sera
[20:34] <paolinux> Hi to all
[20:36] <paolinux> I'm trying to upgrade my kubuntu 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS, but I have the following error: impossible to install kubuntu-desktop
[20:37] <paolinux> running "ubuntu-bug ubuntu-release-upgrader-core" command I'm able to see: DEBUG guessing 'kubuntu-desktop' as missing meta-pkg
[20:37] <paolinux> ERROR failed to mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for install
[20:38] <paolinux> any idea?
[21:03] <soee> hmm
[21:04] <soee> what is the output of: sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop -o  Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[21:05] <soee> paolinux: ^
[21:05] <paolinux> let me check
[21:07] <paolinux> hum
[21:07] <paolinux> there are some  new packages to install
[21:09] <paolinux> apport-kde, apturl-kde etc...
[21:09] <soee> can you paste whole output ?
[21:09] <soee> use paste.ubuntu.com
[21:13] <paolinux> sure
[21:13] <paolinux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23047547/
[21:14] <soee> but those are packages to install right ?
[21:14] <soee> there are no errors or warnings returned by this command ?
[21:14] <paolinux> no errors
[21:14] <paolinux> only rhis packages to instasll
[21:15] <soee> than install them :)
[21:16] <paolinux> :)
[21:16] <paolinux> I can try
[21:23] <paolinux> hi
[21:25] <tim93> any other noobs in here?
[21:29] <clivejo> Im a noob
[22:25] <SporkWitch> if i'm getting poor performance with intel graphics on 16.04, is it worth trying to get vulkan working?
[22:26] <SporkWitch> (it seems to be claiming to only support opengl-1.4 right now, which seems off)
[22:27] <SporkWitch> nm, looking like vulkan only supports 5th gen and later :(


[01:58] <c_smith> hello
[01:58] <c_smith> tgif!
[04:01] <c_smith> good evening
[16:41] <c_smith> good morning! :D
[17:48] <c_smith> hmmmm, kinda quiet, everyone must be idling.
[18:35] <bkerensa> good morning
[18:35] <thefinn93> mornin


[00:03] <Vermicelli> After I've logged in, as soon as desktop icons load, my wallpaper disappears and my icon theme changes. What should I look for, to fix this?
[00:07] <Vermicelli> Maybe some list of processes ran at login, to see what's killing what?
[00:08] <knome> are you running nautilus?
[00:10] <Vermicelli> thunar
[00:12] <knome> app menu -> settings -> settings manager -> session and startup -> tab application autostart
[00:12] <knome> if you think it's something there
[00:12] <Vermicelli> thanks
[00:15] <Vermicelli> What xfce application handles wallpaper? I would've thought xfdesktop, but I have that running (presumably correctly).
[00:15] <knome> that does, but for example, nautilus will take over
[00:16] <Vermicelli> I don't think I have nautilus. I run xubuntu.
[00:17] <Vermicelli> Isn't nautilus the file browser for gnome?
[00:17] <knome> yeah, you shouldn't. :) but i said it will, just for an example
[00:17] <knome> yeah, gnome uses nautilus
[00:25] <Vermicelli> Apparently, no one in the history of google has had this problem. Or my google-fu is weak.
[00:55] <pamposzek> Hey, I tried 11.10 via USB.. still nothing. I choose install, logo appears, but then suddenly desktop session pops in and It kinda freezes. Can't run install or applications :(
[00:56] <pamposzek> Maybe I'll try formatting pendrive.. but I don't know..
[00:57] <holstein> try safe graphics mode
[00:57] <holstein> F6 at the boot screen i believe
[00:57] <holstein> try forcing the vesa driver
[00:58] <holstein> pamposzek: ^
[00:58] <pamposzek> Thanks, I'll try that after I make again usb bootloader.
[01:01] <pamposzek> Oh. 'Checksum do not match. Retry?' ... so iso file is corrupted? ;o
[01:03] <pamposzek> Strange ;/ I
[01:04] <pamposzek> I'm running 12.04 live cd, making boot for 11.10. On 38% cd is read and then error about checksums..
[01:04] <holstein> use #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 :)
[01:44] <mundofr> hello there
[01:44] <mundofr> one quick question
[01:44] <mundofr> what was the latest version of xubuntu to support PowerPC G4?
[01:45] <mundofr> I'm trying to find a use to an old Mac Mini (2005) I found
[01:59] <pamposzek> Hey. Still can't install 11.10 via USB. I created image using Unetbootin and I can't select vesa mode..
[02:00] <pamposzek> It shows logo, then stops and enters desktop mode - there I can only reboot, even xchat doesn't work.
[02:03] <holstein> mundofr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
[02:04] <holstein> pamposzek: i would try the vesa driver
[02:04] <holstein> i would also consider tryint the alternate CD and just go on and install
[02:04] <holstein> i would try another popular live CD, such as knoppix
[02:08] <pamposzek> Hm, maybe I could install from USB while using live cd?
[02:08] <pamposzek> this is so frustrating..
[02:17] <mundofr> thanks holstein!
[03:09] <Vermicelli> For some reason when I log in, my wallpaper quickly disappears (leaving a solid blue background) and my desktop icons are not the usual style. Any suggestions?
[03:14] <starn> what are the addresses for yahoo video chat? and ports i would like to block them.. outgoing and incoming
[03:17] <w30> Vermicelli, maybe you are loading a second desktop manager run ps auxw and look for one?
[03:19] <w30> Vermicelli, for example mine is xfdesktop and then compiz ccp --replace
[03:24] <w30> Vermicelli, xfce4-session, xfwm4, xfdesktop, gnome, startkde, something like that?
[03:30] <Vermicelli> No gnome or compiz. Just straight xfce.
[03:33] <w30> Vermicelli, does ps aux show xfdesktop as a process?
[03:36] <Vermicelli> w30, yes.
[03:38] <w30> Vermicelli, Are your icons just two colored or hi contrast like you would have with a vision handicapped setting would have?
[03:39] <w30> err....like a handicapped setting would have
[03:40] <Vermicelli> They're just a different style. Most notably, timage files show a thumbnail in the icon, rather than the generic image icon (jpgs, etc).
[03:40] <Vermicelli> image*
[03:46] <w30> hmmmm.. My image files have a thumbnail in Thunar but not the ones  on the Desktop.  Through xfce's setting manager, I at least can get to the menu to select a wallpaper.
[03:54] <Vermicelli> w30, Right. In the setting manager's "Desktop" section, nothing has any effect.
[03:55] <w30> Vermicelli, what about making a gradient? Is that possible?
[03:55] <Vermicelli> Negative.
[03:56] <Vermicelli> Nor does "Set as wallpaper" on an image's context menu.
[03:57] <w30> Vermicelli, It's obvious that your computer has been taken over by Zombies...
[03:59] <w30> Vermicelli, Seriously, I don't have any idea where to go next. Sorry
[03:59] <Vermicelli> Thanks. I appreciate the help.
[04:00] <w30> Vermicelli, I wish I knew more.
[04:00] <Vermicelli> It started when my brother had me install hamachi and haguichi (a gui for it) , which called for a bunch of prereqs. I uninstalled and autoremoved, but something obviously is different than before. At least, that's the correlation, if not causation.
[04:02] <Vermicelli> Thanks anyway though. FOr the time and trouble, if nothing else.
[04:09] <w30> Vermicelli, Have you got any kind words for your brother? Ha!
[04:21] <whatisboom> I love you guys.
[04:22] <whatisboom> reinstalling and i saw the link and was like .... this CANT work during install...
[04:22] <Unit193> It doesn't, you're not here.
[04:23] <whatisboom> Am I that drunk?
[04:23] <whatisboom> shit.
[04:23] <Unit193> :D
[04:24] <Unit193> Just kidding. :P
[04:25] <whatisboom> Am I having a conversation with malware?
[04:25] <whatisboom> o_O
[04:26] <Unit193> Yep, I am full on malware, very smart and can answer many questions, as long as you don't mind the lag. ;)
[04:27] <whatisboom> Quit fapping.
[04:27] <Unit193> Errr... This is supposed to be a family friendly support channel...
[04:28] <whatisboom> Fapping is knitting right?
[10:00] <pamposzek> Hey, just a quick question. Is installing xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu the same thing as doing fresh install of Xubuntu in terms of performance?
[10:01] <Marzata> it is not.
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> you might have to check what services are running
[10:01] <knome> !purexfce
[10:02] <pamposzek> So after doing this script it will be the same, right? ubottu
[10:03] <knome> pamposzek, it should be relatively same. but no promises.
[10:03] <pamposzek> Thanks a lot. Well, it's my only shot. Xubuntu install doesn't like my pc ;)
[10:03] <knome> pamposzek, and it will remove anything in gnome, even those packages you're using. so you might need to reinstall a few things.
[10:04] <knome> pamposzek, what's the problem with the xubuntu install?
[10:05] <pamposzek> I get some 'unrecoverable error' on 12.04 install, and 11.10 enters into desktop mode during install - from there I can pretty much only reboot, system is unresponsive
[10:05] <Marzata> pamposzek: for clean xubu install?
[10:06] <pamposzek> yea, I tried many times - deleting partitions etc
[10:06] <knome> pamposzek, have you tried the alternate discs?
[10:06] <Marzata> pamposzek: some hdd error?
[10:06] <pamposzek> well, I don't know what type of error
[10:06] <pamposzek> but I installed ubuntu 9.10 without problems
[10:06] <Marzata> pamposzek: check the hdd for errors.
[10:06] <pamposzek> and updating now
[10:10] <pamposzek> I can' get to disks.. Not Authorized: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.CheckAuthorization() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount-system-internal is not registered
[10:14] <chelz> !triggers > ChanServ
[10:14] <chelz> !triggers > chelz
[10:14] <chelz> !help > chelz
[10:25] <ronsonol> anyone running 12.04 beta 1?
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> someone in #ubuntu+1 will be I bet
[10:28] <ronsonol> Is that the testing room?
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[10:31] <ronsonol> I should look this stuff up <blush>.
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> Topic for #ubuntu+1 is: Discussion and support for Precise Pangolin
[10:31] <ronsonol> Yeah, I'm in there now.
[10:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> hi, how do i set thunar to be the default file manager? im using ubuntu 11.04 with xfce as a window manager
[10:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> also, i dont seem to have any bar at the top which has file, tools, help etc
[10:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> *at the top of any of my windows
[10:48] <ronsonol> WhereIsMySpoon, do you have a panel bar at all?  Maybe got set for "Automatically show and hide?"
[10:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> ronsonol, i have a top bar as in it has the icon top left which gives you menu options
[10:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> but for applications i dont have file, edit, view, help
[10:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> etc
[10:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> ronsonol, i also now cannot seem to log out :S
[10:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> ah nvm that
[10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> for some reason gnome-panel was on top of my xfce panel
[10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> and the logout from gnome-panel didnt work
[10:52] <ronsonol> Heh.
[10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> argh
[10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> wtf
[10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> ronsonol, how do i stop gnome-panel taking over my top bar
[10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont want it
[10:52] <ronsonol> I've never encountered that.
[10:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> the only way to get rid of it is to spam "killall gnome-panel"
[10:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> until it stops appearing
[10:53] <ronsonol> Sounds like a config file needs blown away.
[10:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> mm
[10:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> anyhow
[10:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> disregarding that
[10:53] <ronsonol> Wish I could tellya offhand which one.
[10:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> ronsonol, how do i get thunar to be my default file manager
[10:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> and how do i get my file/view/edit/tools/help menus back for applications
[10:57] <ronsonol> Thunar should be the default file manager.  What are you getting instead?
[10:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> nautilus
[10:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> im using ubuntu 11.04
[10:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> just with xfce as a window manager
[10:59] <ronsonol> I don't think nautilus is ordinarily installed.
[11:00] <ronsonol> Did you get it by way of a dependency or something?
[11:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> ronsonol, i had ubuntu installed on here before
[11:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> and was using that
[11:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> using gnome3
[11:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> i just hated gnome3/unity
[11:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> so i switched to xfce
[11:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> im still using 11.04
[11:01] <ronsonol> Yeah, I can relate to that.
[11:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> just with xfce as a window manager
[11:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> i guess i could just uninstall nautilus?
[11:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> see what happens
[11:03] <hobgoblin> it'll complain rather a lot I expect
[11:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> why, it has thunar
[11:03] <hobgoblin> nautilus does more than be a file manager
[11:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see
[11:03] <ronsonol> Yeah, it's the default for xfce.
[11:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> >.<
[11:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> well how do i get thunar to be default
[11:04] <hobgoblin> the issue you've got I think is nautilus trying to deal with the desktop as well as xfce doing it
[11:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see
[11:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> how do i fix it hobgoblin ^^
[11:05] <ronsonol> "This monitor ain't big enough for two desktop environments."
[11:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[11:05] <hobgoblin> trying to find something I read a while back WhereIsMySpoon - being interrupted by an ill kid ...
[11:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> okay, thanks :) aww, hope he/she gets well soon ^^
[11:06] <hobgoblin> :p me too ...
[11:09] <ronsonol> WhereIsMySpoon, are you positioned to do erase/reinstall?  It isn't that big a deal.  I've done about a half dozen recently.
[11:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> ugh
[11:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> id rather not
[11:10] <ronsonol> On multiple machines, that is.
[11:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont have anything special on the comp
[11:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> but its just a hassle
[11:10] <hobgoblin> if you wanted to installl xubuntu and remove ubuntu it should be fairly simple
[11:10] <ronsonol> Is /home mounted on a separate partition?
[11:10] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Script_to_change_Thunar_to_be_the_default_file_manager
[11:11] <chelz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[11:11] <chelz> aww beat me
[11:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[11:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> how do i find out ronsonol
[11:11] <hobgoblin> that might help - but ubuntu is diiferent with unity than before - no idea what draws what anymore
[11:11] <ronsonol> df -h should say in a hurry.
[11:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> no
[11:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> just /dev/sda1
[11:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> then i have 4 "none"s
[11:13] <ronsonol> nones are system stuff.
[11:14] <chelz> just looked over stuff
[11:14] <chelz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Changing_Your_Default_File_Manager
[11:14] <chelz> that and
[11:14] <chelz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Changing_the_System-wide_Default_File_Manager
[11:15] <chelz> are both short and fairly simple
[11:15] <chelz> xfe.desktop for example
[11:15] <chelz> second one should do
[11:16] <chelz> just need the .desktop file for thunar
[11:16] <chelz> might already be there
[11:17] <hobgoblin> that will deal with making it the default filemanager - not so sure it will deal with the window menu bar
[11:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> chelz what do i put in thunar.desktop
[11:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> just the
[11:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> inode/directory=thunar.desktop
[11:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> x-directory/normal=thunar.desktop
[11:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?
[11:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> chelz, hobgoblin will i need to restart to apply changes?
[11:20] <hobgoblin> hang on - might have found something useful
[11:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok i found what to put in the thunar.desktop
[11:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> i also found exo-preferred-applications
[11:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> which seems to just change it with a menu click
[11:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> but none of these changes seem to be applied off the bat
[11:22] <hobgoblin> this 'might' help - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10866851&postcount=3
[11:23] <hobgoblin> for the desktop issue - the change default might need a logout/in or reboot - no real idea
[11:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm looks useful
[11:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> ill try it
[11:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> lunchtime now :3
[11:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> thanks both
[11:23] <hobgoblin> but personally if it was me I would be installing xubuntu-desktop and then using the pschocat xfce page to remove gnome
[11:23] <hobgoblin> welcome - have a good lunch
[12:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, when i restarted it just stayed on the blue screen which says KUbuntu in the middle with 5 dots underneath it..you know how to make it shutdown/restart properly?
[12:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> and hobgoblin i already have xubuntu-desktop
[12:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> what is pschocat xfce page
[12:08] <bazhang> !purexfce
[12:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> yea i just found it :D thanks though!
[12:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> i still seem to have nautilus as the default file manager :(
[12:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> wow lol almost a gig will be freed
[12:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> nice
[12:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> man
[12:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> ubuntu sure does put a load of crap on your system
[12:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> bazhang, should i execute all 4 of the commands here?:
[12:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcenatty
[12:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin?
[12:30] <hobgoblin> hello WhereIsMySpoon
[12:31] <hobgoblin> WhereIsMySpoon: no - if you had ubuntu installed use the ubuntu one etc
[12:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok
[12:32] <hobgoblin> BUT
[12:33] <hobgoblin> if for instance there was something you specifically wanted you'd need to reinstall that - another but being that it would be better to do that from a terminal using the no recommends option
[12:34] <hobgoblin> I installed alacarte here to fiddle with menu's for instance  - sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-recommends stops too much being added with it
[12:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, yea i had to reinstall a couple things including java
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, why does netbeans say it cant find the java home?
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> i put JAVA_HOME back in .bashrc
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> exported it and added it to PATH
[12:36] <hobgoblin> absolutely no idea
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> made new terminal
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> bah
[12:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> java is always a pain in the ass
[12:36] <hobgoblin> yep - perhaps purge and reinstall it
[12:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> i just did
[12:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> java was inunstalled
[12:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> with all of the rest of the stuf
[12:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> f
[12:39] <hobgoblin> I only ever need the icedtea stuff as I don't have a need for all the other java gubbins
[12:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> i do ^^
[12:41] <hobgoblin> ...
[12:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, why the elipsis?
[12:42] <hobgoblin> just a sort of I understand wish I could help
[12:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> haha no worries :)
[12:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> you've helped a lot already
[12:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> it seems a lot faster already
[12:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> for some reason when you go beyond 10-15 applications (be it terminal windows/file browsers or whatever) in gnome 3 it slows down hugely
[12:43] <hobgoblin> I do try - xubuntu is quite new to me (1 year) so I sit here and pick up what I can - other stuff I've read or know about so can help :)
[12:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> doesnt seem to be the case here
[12:43] <hobgoblin> I ran away quite quickly from unity/gnomeshell 3
[12:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> gnome 2 was fairly good
[12:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> unity is fckin awful
[12:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
[12:45] <Myrtti> mind the language
[12:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> i did :)
[12:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> if thats still not acceptable, then sorry :)
[12:45] <Myrtti> no, actually you didn't, but nevermind
[12:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> unity is bloomin' awful
[12:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> better? :D
[12:48] <hobgoblin> WhereIsMySpoon: just need to bear in mind that little one's might be about - like my daughter looking over my shoulder ;)
[12:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> yea i guess
[12:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> i did mean it when i said sorry
[12:48] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> :)
[12:48] <hobgoblin> I understand :)
[12:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, whats the standard "microsoft word" equivalent on xfce
[12:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> as it uninstalled openoffice
[12:49] <hobgoblin> but getting back to sorting the java thing - you'll have to hang about
[12:49] <hobgoblin> did it not reinstall libreoffice?
[12:50] <hobgoblin> WhereIsMySpoon: libreoffice-writer
[12:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> no
[12:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> it didnt
[12:51] <hobgoblin> sudo apt-get install libreoffice-writer
[12:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> yea
[12:51] <hobgoblin> or look in synaptic
[12:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> just ahead of ya ;)
[12:52] <hobgoblin> :)
[13:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> argh
[13:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, now devices arent detected on usb0, usb1 etc
[13:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> do i need to reinstall some drivesr?
[13:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> drivers
[13:07] <hobgoblin> oh dear - no real idea I'm afraid - the only problems I ever really get are during dev phase. Shouldn't need a driver - but you can check with lsusb to see what is being seen
[13:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, it is detected with lsusb
[13:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> it just isnt detected with ifconfig
[13:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> as it should be
[13:10] <hobgoblin> oh - wireless - then I'm really not going to be of much use, all I would say is check in settings - additional drivers - might well have been removed - if not and it's there and recognised - maybe remove so you can reinstall it
[13:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, is isnt wireless
[13:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> its ethernet over usb
[13:11] <hobgoblin> oh ok - see how much I know about ether/wireless lol
[13:12] <hobgoblin> did it need a driver installing when you first installed ubuntu?
[13:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> no
[13:13] <hobgoblin> have you rebooted since doing the purexfce thing?
[13:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> yes
[13:13] <hobgoblin> I'd look in the logs as well - do you know where they are
[13:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> dpkg logs?
[13:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> in /var/log?
[13:14] <hobgoblin> yea - syslog to start with
[13:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin,  ok now what
[13:15] <hobgoblin> was it plugged in when you rebooted - if so have a look in dmesg
[13:16] <hobgoblin> look for whatever lsusb showed in the logs
[13:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> theres no lsusb in dmesg or syslog
[13:17] <hobgoblin> kern/syslog/dmesg are the  ones I would look in
[13:18] <hobgoblin> WhereIsMySpoon: no - look for what it is recognised as by lsusb in the logs
[13:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> ? i see it here when i type lsusb
[13:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bus 006 Device 002: ID blah
[13:19] <hobgoblin> WhereIsMySpoon: other thing you could do is unplug it, wait a few secs, plug it in and then look again at the logs
[13:20] <hobgoblin> but I am not sure any of this is sreally going to be of much help - could be a case of the blind leading the blind
[13:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm
[13:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> for some reason its just started working
[13:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> xD
[13:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> its cause im looking at it :p
[13:21] <Mahmoud> hi. i'm using disk encryption and while i was going to hybernate, i forced a shutdown. now when i log-in i cannot find any of my previous documents. any hints how to fix this screwed up issue?
[13:21] <hobgoblin> excellent - my psychicether fix that connection power is working again then WhereIsMySpoon :)
[13:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> XDD
[13:22] <hobgoblin> Mahmoud: I don't and would not want to start trying if it was encrypted - hang around and wait for someone to see it
[13:22] <Mahmoud> i can see ~/ stuff, but ls ~/Documents is empty
[13:23] <Mahmoud> but i lost my themes and app customizations
[13:25] <hobgoblin> well it would be empty I suspect given what you did - I would expect it's still there - you just need to fix what you did - I don't use encryption so don't know much about it though
[13:26] <Mahmoud> didn't do anything. just improper shutdown while the laptop was hybernating
[13:29] <hobgoblin> well - you did that ;) as I said if someone can help they will
[13:29] <Mahmoud> win 2
[13:29] <Mahmoud> heh
[13:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> Mahmoud, might want to ask in #ubuntu as well
[13:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> and/or make a question on stackoverflow
[13:35] <Mahmoud> WhereIsMySpoon: did, no hope.
[13:35] <Mahmoud> a guy on gentoo told me that i'm screwed.
[13:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> try on stackoverflow
[13:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> its really good there
[13:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> as in the website
[13:36] <Mahmoud> it's hard to make bugmenot work for SO
[13:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?
[13:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> whats that, Mahmoud
[13:37] <Mahmoud> nvm, i was just too lazy to ask in stack overflow (SO)
[13:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> ah i see
[13:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> well its good service ther
[13:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> e
[13:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> er, you should ask in askubuntu.com
[13:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> its a branch of SO
[13:40] <justakill> hey my scanner was reconized before now it isn't?
[13:40] <justakill> what happend?
[13:41] <Mahmoud> ubuntu AI
[13:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> justakill, tried the usual turning it off/on and replugging it etc?
[13:43] <justakill> WhereIsMySpoon yea
[13:43] <justakill> i did
[13:43] <justakill> it works fine in windows
[13:43] <justakill> well its reconized
[13:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> justakill, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1574107
[13:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> try that
[13:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> justakill, i assume you also tried rebooting your own pc?
[13:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont mean to sound stupid or make you look the same but so many peripheral problems are solved by either turning them or your pc off and on again because some driver or system program has got stuck
[13:45] <justakill> yea
[13:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> kk
[13:45] <justakill> no i always do the standard moves
[13:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> okay :)
[13:46] <justakill> lol
[13:46] <justakill> i'm looking though the article
[13:46] <justakill> its giving me some usefull commands
[13:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> cool :)
[13:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> hobgoblin, you're an ubuntu dev?
[13:51] <hobgoblin> nope - just a user :)
[13:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> whats the difference between me using ubuntu and you being a "user"?
[13:54] <hobgoblin> WhereIsMySpoon: none at all :) but a dev I'm not - closest I ever got to programming was hello world
[13:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> haha ok :)
[13:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> how come, hobgoblin? decided programming wasnt for you?
[13:55] <hobgoblin> too long in the tooth perhaps - never got interested enough to learn - but this is probably best in offtopic if you want to chat :)
[13:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> yea sorry :)
[13:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> nah im working :) dont wanna be caught up in offtopic stuff ^^
[13:56] <hobgoblin> lol
[14:19] <Mahmoud> hi -- i fixed my problem
[14:20] <Mahmoud> i did ls ~ and found that i have two directories of every lost directory
[14:20] <Mahmoud> i.e. two directories with same exact names
[14:20] <Mahmoud> when i was doing "ls", it was readin ghte empty new one. and once i delete it, ls "<dir_name>" listed the real one
[14:21] <Mahmoud> it's weird. but this is how it worked... although i still have no idea why would i have two directories with the same name
[14:49] <pjotter> Hello everybody. I know there is an xfce equivallent of gconf-editor. Does anybody know by any change?
[14:50] <TheSheep> xfce4-settings-editor
[14:50] <pjotter> Great! Thanks, TheSheep! That's the one :)
[14:51] <pjotter> Where can I find this kind of information? I tried searching the internet but couldn't find it.
[14:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> pjotter, google
[14:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1574107
[14:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> i typed in "xfce gconf equivalent"
[14:55] <hobgoblin> that'll be the usb scanner thread and a bit confusing I suspect :)
[14:56] <pjotter> WhereIsMySpoon: Hmmm... I don't use Google too much. But you're right, in Google it shows up fairly quick.
[14:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> oops
[14:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> sorry pjotter
[14:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6791
[14:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> xD
[14:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> didnt copy properly for some reaso
[14:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> n
[14:58] <pjotter> thanks WhereIsMySpoon. I'll note those down.
[14:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> nono
[14:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> pjotter, the first is not for you
[14:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> it was for someone else like half an hour ago
[14:58] <pjotter> Ok :)
[14:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> just use the forum.xfce one
[14:58] <pjotter> I get it
[14:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> and yes, people should google more :)
[14:59] <pjotter> Bwaahhh
[14:59] <pjotter> nope
[14:59] <pjotter> :D
[14:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> >:C
[14:59] <pjotter> I tried ixquicking it
[15:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> what on earth is that
[15:00] <pjotter> it is another search engine
[15:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> blates not as good ;)
[15:00] <pjotter> one that doesn't log ip's and searches
[15:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> but anyway, thats offtopic
[15:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> :)
[15:01] <pjotter> It's not always as good as Google, I must say. But it is fairly good
[15:02] <pjotter> It is a meta-search engine. So, I think that means it is seaching other search engines and combines the results
[15:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see
[15:52] <elijah> I just installed Xubunut on a low spec laptop last night, it has a 20 GB drive, I just got an error message saying disk space was low. Did a "properties" on the "file system" and it is 18+GB
[15:52] <elijah> I did download all the updates last night, do you think that would have caused it?
[15:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> elijah, my xubuntu install only uses 6.8G
[15:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> and i am up to date with updates
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> so unless you have a really large /home folder
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont see how thats possible
[15:54] <elijah> WhereIsMySpoon: Thanks, it is a bare install
[15:54] <elijah> I installed synergy and that's it
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> elijah, can you do a df -h please
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> and pastebin the output
[15:55] <elijah> WhereIsMySpoon: thanks, http://pastebin.com/tpu68i3A
[15:56] <elijah> WhereIsMySpoon: I did install it over Ubuntu but chose the wipe everything option
[15:56] <elijah> Home folder is only 150MB
[15:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
[15:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> what the heck did you install xD
[15:57] <elijah> Do you know with the app is that shows your usage per folder?
[15:59] <elijah> FOund it
[15:59] <elijah> It is called disk usage analyzer (baobab)
[16:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats the one
[16:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> just press the scan filesystem bnutton
[16:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> button
[16:01] <elijah> crap, just realized I can't install it because I don't have enough space :D
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> you can do du -sh on /
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> du is disk usage cmd line tool
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> -h is human readable
[16:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> and -s means it doesnt recurse and print all sub directories
[16:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> but it does still add the usage from the subdirectories
[16:04] <elijah> k, trying
[16:04] <elijah> software center is still hanging
[16:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> elijah, should have checked space left before you installed 123912398 extra programs you dont need ;)
[16:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> wb hob
[16:06] <elijah> Weird somehow it installed
[16:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[16:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> shhh
[16:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> dont tell anyone ;)
[16:09] <elijah> /var/log/ is 14.9 GB
[16:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[16:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> clean it
[16:09] <hobgoblin> a bit big there then
[16:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats crazy
[16:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
[16:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> what precisely is taking all that up elijah
[16:11] <elijah> kern.log and syslog.1
[16:11] <elijah> both are 7GB
[16:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
[16:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> archive them
[16:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> or just get rid of them if you dont want them :)
[16:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats ridiculous though
[16:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> you say its a fresh install
[16:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont see how they can be 7gb each
[16:13] <elijah> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/115774
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> my syslog is 16k , lol
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> and ive had this for months
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> ouch
[16:15] <elijah> So it is okay to delete them?
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> yes theyre only logs
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> linux will create them again if it needs to write to them
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> what you can do
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> is just write "" to them both
[16:15] <elijah> great, thanks
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> if you're worried
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> just
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> echo "" > syslog
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> you may have to sudo -i beforehand though
[16:15] <hobgoblin> I would though keep a close eye on them - if they start growing fast - look to see what is being logged
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> aye
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> I solved! it was an ACPI problem, thus nothing to be changed or set in linux. I had to disable all ACPI features of the BIOS.
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> I hope it helps.
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> maybe thats an answeR?
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> was in the bug
[16:16] <elijah> I posted a comment on that bug
[16:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> cool
[16:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> well keep them in chec
[16:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> k
[16:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> and if it happens again post there again attaching your logs
[16:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> and probably reinstall
[16:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats a horrible bug
[16:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
[16:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> one to write down in the books, methinks...
[16:20] <elijah> yeah, not very nice
[16:37] <Marzata> what sound recorder one can use in xubuntu?
[16:38] <Marzata> audacity?
[16:38] <Unit193> Whatever one you like, but that works.
[16:53] <omnom> anyone that know why I cant use a socks(ssh) that i've setup for anything... but I can telnet into it... log: http://paste2.org/p/1929109
[17:35] <theoN^> Hi, I'm quite new to linux and I chose to start off with Xubuntu. I've been using it for a few weeks now and I'm liking it, but for some reason every time I boot my system, my window manager seems to be doing something wrong .. I have to run "xfwm4 --replace" every time after I log in to my account ... is there a reason why it's behaving like this and how do I prevent it from happening?
[17:36] <theoN^> While I am at it: my system always boots with chromium opened up, what's up with that? This all started happening after I decided to save my session for future logins once, I ticked it off now, but it's still opening chromium by default
[17:37] <theoN^> I'm guessing this is all related as it all happened at the same time (after I ticked the save session box), no clue why though
[17:38] <drc> Try this...delete ~/.cache/sessions...reboot/restart X ...This worked for me.
[17:39] <drc> Also , look at Settings Manager>Session and Startup...make sure taht chromium is not listed there as "Immediately"
[17:41] <drc> Becasue you <did> clcik save session :)  Even though you unclicked it, IIRC the (old) saved session is still the default.
[17:42] <theoN^> drc, should I remove the sessions map or its contents, or should that not matter?
[17:42]  * drc thinks that if he's wrong, some will surely correct him :)
[17:49] <xc90> hi knome, are you around?
[17:53] <knome> xc90, yes
[17:55] <xc90> Godd evening, I just wanted to tell you about my very positiv experience with xubuntu
[17:55] <knome> xc90, good to hear that :)
[17:56] <xc90> ... and than I got the idea to see you next time when I visit HKI, lets have a beer on my account! haha
[17:56] <knome> worksforme :)
[17:57] <xc90> actually I am  German, but travelling to FIN every year.
[17:57] <knome> mm-hmm, guessed the first part from your host. so what's in finland you need to see yearly? :)
[17:59] <xc90> Guess what ? Relatives! I got another expatriate Suomalainen in CH to at least try xubuntu
[17:59] <knome> right :)
[17:59] <TheSheep> knome: hey, I wanted to ask you something weird
[17:59] <knome> TheSheep, sure...
[18:00] <TheSheep> knome: you know that sometimes you stumble upon those really werid people, trolls by hobby and profession, with really inflated egos and practically pathologic personalities
[18:00] <pAt__> hi guys, how can I set the opacity of the pull down menu? I use the compositor of xfce.
[18:01] <knome> TheSheep, yeah. :)
[18:01] <knome> pAt__, pull down menu as in?
[18:01] <TheSheep> knome: somehow every time I investigate such a person, it always turns out to be a jobless single male from netherlands or finland :(
[18:01] <knome> TheSheep, awwh, yeah. i can understand that...
[18:01] <TheSheep> knome: is your social that good?
[18:01] <pAt__> knome, yeah the menus in general
[18:01] <knome> pAt__, *what* menus ?
[18:01] <pAt__> they are not solid, as I would like to have them
[18:01] <pAt__> all menus knome
[18:02] <pAt__> menus of the windows, menu of the desktop
[18:02] <knome> TheSheep, well, it's fine. but finnish people are stubborn.
[18:02] <pjotter> Just wondering. Is there a way to replace the standard volume control in Xubuntu with that of Pulse Audio?
[18:02] <xc90> knoem: don't think so ..
[18:03] <knome> pjotter, well you can just install pavucontrol and use that
[18:04] <pjotter> Yes, I installed that one, and it is perfect for what I want. But is there a way to make pavucontrol the standard volume control?
[18:04] <TheSheep> knome: you have to be stubborn to not move to Hawaii at the first opportunity :P
[18:04] <knome> TheSheep, hahah. :)
[18:04] <knome> xc90, well i do, and i am finnish ;))
[18:05] <knome> TheSheep, xc90 #xubuntu-offtopic btw
[18:05] <knome> pjotter, did you check the window manager tweaks from the settings manager?
[18:05] <knome> err, pAt__ ^
[18:05] <pAt__> hmm, lets restart ^^
[18:06] <pjotter> knome: No, but I have the settings manager in front of me. Where should I look?
[18:06] <knome> pjotter, sorry, that wasn't for you. mistab :)
[18:07] <pjotter> :) It's ok
[18:07] <knome> pjotter, what do you mean by "default" though?
[18:07] <pjotter> I mean, by default Xubuntu has a volume control thingy in the upper right corner.
[18:07] <knome> right, the panel applet
[18:07] <pjotter> I was wondering if I can replace that one with pavucontrol
[18:08] <pjotter> somehow
[18:08] <TheSheep> knome: ahh, sorry ,I thought I was there
[18:08] <knome> pjotter, i don't think there's an applet for pavucontrol...
[18:09] <pjotter> I think I have seen it in linux mint, xfce version. So it must be possible, I think.
[18:09] <knome> hm. TheSheep?
[18:09] <xc90> knome: yep, no support question so far, all working ooth. I'm goin to drop you an email before coming to hki next time. Thx a lot for your efforts in designing and making xubuntu. bye
[18:10] <knome> xc90, sure, thanks! :)
[18:24] <alexandru4392> hello
[18:24] <alexandru4392> how can i run compiz at startup?
[18:25] <alexandru4392> tried adding a compiz entry in the settings manager with the command compiz --replace
[18:25] <holstein> its a lot like this http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[18:26] <holstein> alexandru4392: thats how i did it.. i tested with the command manually, then i just added a startup item for it
[18:26] <holstein> then, i abandonded it pretty quickly because its not al that great
[18:26] <holstein> but, you'll need to find that out on your own ;)
[18:43] <pjotter> holstein: Hehe, that's what I did too :) It took me while to get compiz going and eventually it worked great. But then, I got increasingly annoyed with all the shaky, flashy windows effect and removed the whole thing. Now I'm very happy with just plain Xubuntu :)
[18:44] <holstein> i was looking for a gnome2 replacement... more like an emulator.. when i stopped thinking that way, and just got into XFCE and openbox and whatever else for what they can do, i really started to enjoy them more
[18:47] <pjotter> Well, it's one of the reasons I left Ubuntu for Xubuntu. It's a lot cleaner and simpler and uses an interface I can work with :)
[18:47] <pjotter> I looked it up. I used "compiz --replace &" to start compiz. It should work.
[20:49] <anyone__> hello
[21:13] <ThePendulum> Is it possible to mount a drive to a folder, and automatically create that folder if it doesn't exist yet?
[21:23] <GridCube> automount does that ThePendulum
[21:24] <ThePendulum> Well, if only I could figure out automount
[21:25] <GridCube> plug the disk, an icon appears on the deskt
[21:25] <GridCube> op
[21:25] <ThePendulum> Well yes, but that's hardly 'auto'
[21:26] <ThePendulum> I'd like the drives to be mounted as I log into my system
[21:26] <GridCube> !fstab | ThePendulum
[21:26] <ThePendulum> My hard drives, that is
[21:27] <GridCube> but in order to edit fstab, ThePendulum, you need t o create the mount point directories
[21:31] <ThePendulum> I figured that
[21:31] <ThePendulum> I just need to add another line?
[21:31] <ThePendulum> to fstab
[21:32] <GridCube> yes
[21:32] <ThePendulum> Golly, how do I create a folder using the command line?
[21:33] <ThePendulum> And why do I not know this? :|
[21:33] <GridCube> mkdir
[21:33] <ThePendulum> Oh, I did know it
[21:33] <GridCube> sudo mkdir if you need to create a folder to a root owned directory
[21:33] <ThePendulum> So I just create /media/Storage 1 and /media/Storage 2 or something similar?
[21:33] <GridCube> and ThePendulum :P they are directories not folders
[21:34] <GridCube> :P
[21:34] <ThePendulum> I figured the sudo part :P
[21:34] <ThePendulum> And well yeah, it's late, c'mon now :P
[21:34] <GridCube> just sayan
[21:34] <ThePendulum> What's the difference anyway?
[21:35] <ThePendulum> So my fstab should look like this? : http://pastie.org/3536641
[21:35] <GridCube> no
[21:35] <ThePendulum> Okie
[21:36] <GridCube> read the helps
[21:36] <ThePendulum> Well, that's basically what I'm doing
[21:36] <ThePendulum> The syntax of a fstab entry is: [Device] [Mount Point] [File System Type] [Options] [Dump] [Pass]
[21:38] <ThePendulum> What am I doing wrong, then?
[21:38] <GridCube> ThePendulum, see this is one of my entries and works pretty well:
[21:38] <GridCube> /dev/sdb2	/media/windows	auto	rw,auto	0	0
[21:39] <ThePendulum> It isn't all that different lol
[21:39] <GridCube> you dont have the >options >dump >pass    parts on your paste
[21:39] <ThePendulum> I do now
[21:40] <GridCube> :D oh okay
[21:40] <ThePendulum> I didn't know you had to add them if you weren't setting anything relevant :P
[21:40] <GridCube> i usually just use > auto auto 0 0
[21:40] <ThePendulum> I thought it basically worked like the command line
[21:40] <ThePendulum> What's the 'rw'?
[21:40] <GridCube> read write
[21:40] <ThePendulum> *facepalm*
[21:40] <GridCube> if i had it on ro i would be read only :P
[21:41] <GridCube> i forced it, because sometimes ntfs gets into readonly by default if windows didnt close it correctly
[21:41] <ThePendulum> Makes sense
[21:41] <ThePendulum> I don't have Windows installed though
[21:42] <ThePendulum> I am brain farting today
[21:42] <ThePendulum> I'm going to reboot to see if it works
[21:45] <ThePendulum> Alright, they mount :)
[21:45] <ThePendulum> Pity they don't become visible though
[21:45] <GridCube> visible?
[21:45] <GridCube> like?
[21:46] <ThePendulum> Well, show up as hard drives like they usually do when they're not automounted automatically
[21:46] <ThePendulum> They're just mounted in the folders I set and that's it
[21:50] <GridCube> mmmhmm
[21:50] <GridCube> you can add them to the sidebar like prefered folders ThePendulum
[21:50] <ThePendulum> True that
[21:50] <ThePendulum> But it feels a bit... half.
[21:50] <GridCube> mmmh
[21:51] <ThePendulum> Perhaps it makes a difference if I mount them to /mnt rather than /media
[21:52] <GridCube> dunno
[21:53] <ThePendulum> I guess it's a matter of trial&error
[21:53] <GridCube> i mount them on /media, but i dont really care, they are just direcotories in any of those cases
[21:53] <ThePendulum> Well, I somehow feel like hard drives should appear of such, even if they're mounted
[21:54] <GridCube> :P i feel that a very microsoft aproach to drives :P
[21:55] <metasansana> very windozy
[21:55] <ThePendulum> Well, it certainly makes sense
[21:55] <metasansana> in a windows context
[21:56] <GridCube> :P knowing your fstab makes sense, using df once in a while does too
[21:56] <ThePendulum> Another hard drive simply physically isn't a directory on my main ssd
[21:56] <metasansana> yeah but you want access to it you have to mount it
[21:57] <metasansana> when you mount it you put it somewhere in the tree
[21:57] <metasansana> a mount point
[21:58] <GridCube> :P thats the fun actually, i have a 250gb disk as / and a 500gb disk as /home, and thats AWESOME
[21:58] <ThePendulum> Well triangle.
[21:58] <ThePendulum> brb
[21:59] <metasansana> I have my nas mounted as /mnt/Media
[21:59] <metasansana> and I have a truecrypt file in there I mount at /home/user/Documents
[22:02] <ThePendulum> Hmm, it would be nice if I could position the sidepane shortcuts above that divider
[22:02] <ThePendulum> Or, some of them
[22:04] <omnom> anyone that know why I cant use a socks(ssh) that i've setup  for anything... but I can telnet into it... log:  http://paste2.org/p/1929109
[22:08] <ThePendulum> Is there a certain, reasonably simple, way to pull a bunch of files out of their subdirs and throw them all in 1 dir?
[22:08] <GridCube> like rsync or zsync ThePendulum ?
[22:09] <ThePendulum> I guess
[22:09] <GridCube> http://www.realgeek.com/forums/clone-a-hard-disk-with-rsync-389318.html
[22:09] <ThePendulum> I have a whole bunch of movies all in genre subdirectories, and I'd like to move them all up to /Movies rather than /Movies/[Genre]
[22:10] <ThePendulum> Nvm, did it by hand already
[22:11] <GridCube> XD
[22:11] <ThePendulum> :P
[22:11] <ThePendulum> FML :P
[22:11] <GridCube> drag'n'drop ftw
[22:12] <ThePendulum> Exactly
[22:14] <ThePendulum> I really hope Xfce is going to keep this UI for a while
[22:15] <ThePendulum> I did a serious attempt at Gnome 3.2 and Unity, but boy did I take a gnome to the knee
[22:15] <GridCube> there is no intention to change it on the next 10 years, or forever
[22:15] <ThePendulum> Well, that's hard to tell of course
[22:16] <GridCube> :P
[22:16] <omnom> anyone available for help ?
[22:16] <GridCube> !ask | omnom
[22:17] <omnom> I did it 6h ago firs time but no answers ubottu ! P
[22:17] <omnom> :P
[22:17] <ThePendulum> Well, blast away then now we're here!
[22:18] <omnom> Well I got problems setting up a stunnel between my server and desk
[22:18] <omnom> It half-succeed. Its connected but doesnt work
[22:20] <omnom> It works on my windows machine, tried by adding it as a proxy for a browser. But on the linux machine its totaly dead when it comes to that.
[22:20] <omnom> Log: http://paste2.org/p/1929109
[22:21]  * GridCube is totally lost
[22:22] <ThePendulum> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25683105/Pictures/Screenshots/2012030623%3A19%3A36%28General%29.png <-- I am quite fond about my desktop, but I need a better idea for those application shortcuts. Anyone?
[22:23] <GridCube> omnom, as i don't have any idea of what you said i will tell you the only thing that comes to my mind when people talks about connecting two computars, one, try using gigolo to manage network shares, and two, remember to install  gcfs-backends
[22:23] <nelson8874> Hi, i don't remember how, but i instaled soundconverter 2.0 And now i don't know how to uninstal it... It is not in the software center and not in the synaptic. I want to uninstal it because it doesn't work. It doesn't convert mp3, only the other formats.
[22:23] <GridCube> gvfs-backends*
[22:24] <ThePendulum> nelson8874: Have you tried looking at the 'About' window of that application? It often mentions the package name
[22:24] <GridCube> nelson8874, soundconverter is a linux app or its a windows app thru wine?
[22:24] <ThePendulum> I am also wondering this, because Linux apps usually have completely irrelevant silly names
[22:24] <omnom> why dont u use panels ThePendulum something like this? http://upit.cc/i/d8ff2028.png
[22:24] <nelson8874> GridCube: it's a linux aplication
[22:25] <ThePendulum> omnom: Because I get a headache of huge icons
[22:25] <GridCube> nelson8874, then use >sudo apt-get purge appname
[22:25] <omnom> :P
[22:25] <omnom> u can make em smaller
[22:25] <GridCube> or search for it on synaptic nelson8874, not the USC, wich sucks IMO
[22:25] <ThePendulum> I know, but I just feel like having 2 identical panels :P
[22:26] <ThePendulum> Just, minimalistic
[22:26] <ThePendulum> Time to throw a lamp at my machine.
[22:28] <ThePendulum> Oh golly, do I love my quick LAMP installation guide
[22:29] <nelson8874> I wrote sudo apt-get purge soundconverter 2.0
[22:29] <nelson8874> And then apeared a LOT of text
[22:30] <nelson8874> And now it says
[22:30] <ThePendulum> Skip the spaces, and hit Tab twice
[22:30] <ThePendulum> Because, as far as I know, this would purge both 'soundconverter' and '2.0'
[22:32] <nelson8874> It is necessary to obtain 22,1 MB. After this operation there will be freed 3716MB of disk space. You're about to do something potencialy dangerouse, if you want to continue write "Do as i say"
[22:32] <nelson8874> should i do it?
[22:33] <GridCube> no
[22:33] <GridCube> nelson8874, no
[22:33] <GridCube> D: nelson8874 you there?
[22:33] <nelson8874> yes
[22:33] <nelson8874> GridCube:yes
[22:34] <GridCube> ok
[22:34] <GridCube> nelson8874, dont use apt-get, it aint safe for you, you will just mess things up, use synaptic
[22:34] <ThePendulum> nelson? no! sit!
[22:35] <nelson8874> But sondconverter 2.0 does not apear on synaptic.....
[22:35] <ThePendulum> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ha1vA0_ALJEw3Ogerzc7Vb2DdvKCXo_qaQ38KF7jgQ8/edit <-- Feel free to use & share that document for a quick LAMP install
[22:35] <nelson8874> GridCube: But sondconverter 2.0 does not apear on synaptic.....
[22:35] <GridCube> nelson8874, then apt-get wont unistall it either
[22:35] <GridCube> nelson8874, how do you launch the app on the command line?
[22:36] <nelson8874> soundconverter
[22:36] <GridCube> do a >whereis soundconverter
[22:36] <ThePendulum> Are you folks able to get to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ ?
[22:36] <GridCube> yes
[22:37] <ThePendulum> Great, thanks
[22:37] <nelson8874> GridCube: writing ">whereis soundconverter " opens the app
[22:38] <GridCube> dont... use the >... its just a symbol
[22:38] <nelson8874> oh, ok
[22:39] <nelson8874> GridCube: i get this: soundconverter: /usr/local/bin/soundconverter /usr/local/lib/soundconverter
[22:39] <GridCube> then >sudo apt-get purge soundconverter
[22:39] <GridCube> should do it
[22:39] <GridCube> no numbers no nothing else
[22:41] <nelson8874> GridCube: I get: The package soundconverter is not instaled, so it can't be removed...
[22:41] <ThePendulum> Doesn't it just run stand-alone then? lol
[22:41] <GridCube> mmmmhm
[22:42] <nelson8874> GridCube: I do not remember well, but i think i instaled the 2.0 version over the 1.4
[22:42] <GridCube> nelson8874, im afraid this scapes my knowledge, i guess it could be a) you compiled and installed it by hand b) something else
[22:43] <nelson8874> GridCube: yes, i think i compiled it. If so is it not possible to uninstal it?
[22:43] <GridCube> it sure is
[22:43] <nelson8874> GridCube: How then?
[22:43] <GridCube> i don't know how, but it sure is, else how would arch even work
[22:44] <GridCube> nelson8874, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-do-i-remove-uninstall-compiled-sofware-271990/
[22:44] <ThePendulum> Isn't it possible to throw my photo to my Ubuntu account?
[22:45] <GridCube> ThePendulum, no idea, whats a ubuntu account?
[22:45] <ThePendulum> The... thing that gets me logged in
[22:45] <ThePendulum> My account
[22:45] <ThePendulum> My account on my computer running Ubuntu
[22:45] <GridCube> aaaaaaaaaaaa to the user switch thingy?
[22:45] <GridCube> nope
[22:45] <ThePendulum> Yay
[22:46] <GridCube> you can't
[22:46] <ThePendulum> What's a nice little webcam photo/video grabber?
[22:47] <GridCube> there is works upon a new lightdm login interface that would allow that sort of stuff but it wont be raedy for at least 12.10
[22:47] <GridCube> ThePendulum, cheese
[22:47] <ThePendulum> It's not that important for me, but it's quite odd that hasn't been implemented yet
[22:48] <GridCube> ThePendulum, yes it is, but ubuntu changed from gdm to lightdm just recently
[22:48] <ThePendulum> Xubuntu didn't
[22:48] <ThePendulum> I guess
[22:48] <GridCube> xubuntu did aswel
[22:49] <ThePendulum> Woosh
[22:49] <GridCube> we use lightdm now
[22:49] <ThePendulum> Then Xubuntu nailed it less than Ubuntu did, for sure
[22:49] <ThePendulum> With all due respect
[22:49] <GridCube> that did
[22:49] <ThePendulum> The login area is the only thing I like about Ubuntu
[22:49] <ThePendulum> lol
[22:51] <GridCube> oh well
[22:52] <GridCube> gotta go now
[22:52] <ThePendulum> Cheers
[22:52] <ThePendulum> Thanks for your support
[22:55] <omnom> GridCube: here is a similiar problem
[22:55] <omnom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/391874/comments/6 if it makes u get a hint about what the problem is
[23:05] <nelson8874> GridCube: That's a bit complicated for me. I'm new to linux....
[23:05] <nelson8874> I will let the app stay there...
[23:05] <nelson8874> GridCube: I will let the app stay there...
[23:06] <nelson8874> GridCube: Anyway, i'm thinking in moving for Linux mint 12 LXDE
[23:06] <nelson8874> GridCube: Thanks anyway
[23:07] <GridCube> nelson8874, :) good luck
[23:07] <nelson8874> GridCube: I just found this page for the conversion http://www.linuxtutorialblog.com/post/solution-converting-flac-to-mp3
[23:07] <GridCube> omnom, sorry this is way over my league
[23:08] <GridCube> nelson8874, those scripts seems to work from what i an gather for looking at them :P
[23:24] <starn> umm... i'm having issues with connects... and it doesn't appear to be my network or ISP.. like i'm able to join IRC but unable to go to any websites.
[23:30] <Marzata> starn: ipv6?
[23:31] <starn> Marzata: i have no clue.  ipv4 for local connections i believe.
[23:32] <Marzata> starn: I had such a problem some time ago.
[23:32] <starn> Marzata: i feel like it might be ISP for it does same thing in Windows.. but they say nothing is wrong with the connection
[23:33] <Marzata> starn: yeah
[23:33] <GridCube> yeah they would say that
[23:33] <starn> than again Marzata i wasn't able to use IRC in windows.


[00:33] <Patrickdk> 2gigs?
[00:33] <Patrickdk> should be all you need
[02:38] <B34N> I also have an couple of Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 630 (2M Cache, 3.00 GHz, 800 MHz FSB). Almost 10-years old but would they work for a dedicated box? I'm thinking just backend to record HD content. Would be nice to do some commercial flagging but certainly not necessary. Data would be written directly to freeNAS box. My understanding is that grabbing content is very low CPU work.


[06:21] <locodir-user> Hi. I have a little question
[06:22] <locodir-user> Hello
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[09:12] <Dekabrist> Hello there! :)
[09:19] <ButterflyOfFire> Hello Dekabrist
[09:25] <ButterflyOfFire> Hello everyone, I want to inform you that the DNS problem I reported a moment ago about some ubuntu-cc.org pointing to a "certain" Nina Ulrich is solved after I sent a notification  to rt at ubuntu. Now http://www.ubuntu-dz.org and other non approved LoCoTeams domain name is pointing to ubuntu.com. Thanks a lot :) (pasted into #ubuntu-eu too)
[09:28] <ButterflyOfFire> ping YoBoY, c'est réglé man :)
[09:28] <YoBoY> je viens de lire, merci :)
[09:28] <YoBoY> this is a great news ^^
[09:30] <ButterflyOfFire> Je viens de vérifier http://www.ubuntu-in.-org pointe aussi vers ubuntu.com ... c'est OK ainsi :)
[09:30] <ButterflyOfFire> oups http://www.ubuntu-in.org