[00:00] <DanaG> STick those two together, you get Pentium 3D.
[00:01] <ere4si> blueyed: hi
[00:01] <jaffarkelshac> just fixed my res problem, edited the xorg. addes a subsection with mode now its 1200x800 at login and desktop
[00:02] <blueyed_> According to "lsmod" before and after, the modules removed by unload_network in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/50modules are missing after resume. I will re-open the bug report.
[00:02] <SpartanII117> nice,
[00:03] <SpartanII117> jeffar: fix your terminals problem?
[00:04] <jaffarkelshac> nahh
[00:04] <DanaG> Oh god, compiz looks hilariously bad if you use 3D with a 2-sided desktop/
[00:04] <jaffarkelshac> but i dont use tty1 just wanted the option
[00:05] <SpartanII117> can you boot into recovery mode?
[00:05] <DanaG> Before anybody tries it, I must say this: EPILEPSY WARNING!
[00:05] <DanaG> "it" being 2-sided cube with "3d" plugin.
[00:05] <crimsun> bah to window managers, generally.
[00:06] <SpartanII117> BB: dinner
[00:06] <DanaG> Oh hey, when I get my next laptop, I may ditch my Creative card (that now has the top removed).  Would there be any benefit to me giving it to any kernel developers, or such?
[00:10]  * tanner needs more decent movies to occupy my spring break with
[00:11] <DanaG> I just wish somebody would make an "oxygen" or "virtuoso" (what's the difference?) card for notebooks.
[00:11] <crimsun> DanaG: sure
[00:12] <poseidon> Installed flashplugin-nonfree and restarted firefox+ubuntu, but flash still doesn't seem to work.  Any suggestions as to how to get it to work?
[00:13] <jast-mxm> questions: I am using kde4 and i changed the window decoration from oxygen to kde 2 and kde now crashes at login
[00:13] <jast-mxm> is there a way to change the window decoration back via commandline?
[00:14] <DanaG> you could make the window manager not-executable, and then log in and reset the setting.
[00:14] <jast-mxm> oo how do i do that?
[00:14] <DanaG> find the path to kwin (or kwin-kde4) and sudo chmod -x /the/path
[00:15] <DanaG> And then to make it executable again, +x.
[00:15] <jast-mxm> awesome thanks, i'll give that a try
[00:15] <mat__> hi?
[00:16] <DanaG> !ask
[00:16] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:19] <mat__> hello... i have 8.04... and i have the dell e1705 laptop... it's my understanding that this wireless network adapter was should now be natively with the new kernel that came out... but i cant seem to get the network card working... any help?
[00:22] <gordon> Hobbsee, Your Help test LTS upgrade link in the Topic section takes you to how to upgrade - not how to test.
[00:24] <jast-mxm> hey danag
[00:24] <jast-mxm> it was plasma that was crashing
[00:24] <DanaG> aah.
[00:24] <jast-mxm> i am at least at my desktop w/ plasma disabled
[00:24] <DanaG> Cool.
[00:24] <jast-mxm> bu ti need to change that decor back so i can run this normally
[00:24] <DanaG> That 'chmod -x
[00:24] <DanaG> can be handy sometimes.
[00:25] <jast-mxm> yeah that did allow me to at least get here
[00:25] <jast-mxm> but i have to run everything from alt+f2
[00:25] <jast-mxm> since plasma is disabled
[00:25] <jast-mxm> i don't know what the command is to launch the system-settings window
[00:26] <DanaG> !beta
[00:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beta - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:26] <DanaG> !release
[00:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[00:26] <DanaG> baah, I'll just go to the fridge.
[00:26] <DanaG> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[00:28] <adinc> hello, i would like to make use of wicd, when i install this the package manager says that network-manager-gnome shold be removed (this is ok) but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, can someone tell me what i will miss when removing ubuntu-desktop
[00:28] <jast-mxm> brb
[00:30] <sintacto> just upgraded no sound
[00:30] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[00:31] <sintacto> I looked around but coulnt find a good how to
[00:31] <sintacto> any sugestions?
[00:32] <ryanov> adinc: Nothing.
[00:32] <sintacto> a command to switch back to alsa
[00:32] <sintacto> ?
[00:32] <ryanov> adinc: BTW, the wireless does still work for me.
[00:32] <ryanov> But someone was in here earlier saying theirs didn't.
[00:32] <ryanov> ubuntu-desktop is just a virtual, used to select a group of packages.
[00:32] <adinc> ryanov: there is a workaround which works for me aswell now
[00:32] <ryanov> You don't need it itself
[00:33] <adinc> ryanov: can i safely remove ubuntu-desktop?
[00:33] <ryanov> Yes, there are no files in the package.
[00:33] <adinc> ok
[00:33] <ryanov> Adding it back would put back network manager...that's about it.
[00:33] <jast-mxm> hmm
[00:33] <adinc> ryanov: what is this package then for
[00:33] <Roey> hi
[00:34] <Roey> anyone here have Youtube working on amd_64 kubuntu 8.04 ?
[00:34] <sintacto> pulse audio no worky?
[00:34] <jast-mxm> plasma is getting a signal 1 sigsev
[00:34] <jast-mxm> any idea how to fix this?
[00:34] <ryanov> adinc: To add all the pieces needed to have a Ubuntu desktop.
[00:34] <adinc> ryanov: did you see this workaround? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4612681#post4612681
[00:34] <tanner> flash is generally unstable on 64bit linux Roey, although it works at times on my ubuntu box
[00:34] <ryanov> It's like having a keyword for a bunch of packages.
[00:35] <ryanov> But doesn't contain any files itself.
[00:35] <sintacto> no sound for 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[00:35] <Roey> tanner, you're referring to Gnash specifically?
[00:35] <ryanov> Makes it easy to install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop and make all the changes needed at once.
[00:35] <tanner> Roey: no? the Adobe binary for flash support
[00:35] <Roey> oh
[00:35] <Roey> they have a package for amd64????
[00:36] <jast-mxm> anyone familiar w/ plasma causing a sigsev?
[00:36] <ryanov> adinc: Thanks for that. I actually happened to hear that another way.
[00:36] <tanner> roey, no
[00:36] <adinc> ryanov: ryanov how?
[00:36] <ryanov> adinc: I am a member of the network manager list.
[00:36] <jimiridge> still up taner?
[00:36] <ryanov> adinc: And I asked a question about iwlwifi and WPA a few weeks ago.
[00:37] <Roey> tanner:  oh... you used a hack hehe
[00:37] <adinc> ryanov: i see
[00:37] <ryanov> adinc: That was their answer.
[00:37] <Roey> tanner:  some sort of hack to get it all working
[00:37] <adinc> ryanov: i'm happy there is a solution
[00:37] <Roey> tanner:  I have a 64-bit intel core here
[00:37] <ryanov> I only have WEP working -- haven't had occasion to try WPA yet since I reinstalled.
[00:37] <ryanov> Anyhow, I have to go off to my evening. TTFN, glad to hear everyone's set now. :)
[00:37] <adinc> ryanov: me too, i'm working with wep
[00:37] <jimiridge> heh
[00:38] <tanner> roey there is a wrapper that allows it to work
[00:38] <jimiridge> wep sucks i can crack it ;)
[00:38] <tanner> jimiridge: welcome to 2005
[00:38] <jimiridge> can even crack WPA if your key is in my dictionary word list
[00:40] <jimiridge> last i checked it was 2008
[00:41] <tanner> indeed
[00:44] <DanaG> My passphrase is *************************  <- that many characters
[00:45] <DanaG> with_MIXED_CASE;and_punctuation.
[00:45] <DarkMageZ> ah, i was wondering why i couldn't bruteforce yours. i wasn't extreme enough :p
[00:47] <DanaG> Oh, and I use WPA2 with AES.
[00:49] <DanaG> Too bad you can't Wine Steam from an NTFS-3G partition.
[00:50] <dns53> well you can ln -s to the big data files from windows
[00:51] <DanaG> I tried running it directly, and got errors about something about memory mapping.
[00:51] <DanaG> heh, I like unicode.  File name I have:   ファルコン☆パーン（イ゛ェアアアアアMIX）.avi
[00:51] <DanaG> What does it say?  I don't have a clue.  But it's something amusing.
[00:52] <jimiridge> ln -s /mn/NTFSroot/  /home/user42/.wine/drive_c/SubC_drive
[00:52] <DanaG> Well, right now my ntfs thingy is RO due to unclean unmount, anyway.
[00:52] <jimiridge> dunno how well a "real" install would work as a wine root
[00:52] <DanaG> Oh, and Wine+Pulseaudio == does not work.
[00:54] <dns53> i would expect there is a mount option to use utf8 names instead of just english names, that would fix that problem
[00:55] <DanaG> That's not the issue.  utf-8 works fine.
[00:55] <jimiridge> guess it would be worth a try dump the full registry and import it to wine
[00:56] <DanaG> The problem is some specific filesystem action -- a specific way of opening a file -- that ntfs-3g does not support.
[00:56] <mttr> would there be  a grub issue on the latest beta
[00:57] <KalEl> for some reason gpm is not putting my display to sleep, can anyone help?
[00:59] <jimiridge> gpm? the mouse daemon? or apm the advanced power manager?
[00:59] <dns53> or gdm?
[02:02] <shirish> DanaG: can u look at bug 203513
[02:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[02:03] <SpartanII117> wine does work with a system root form an actuall install of XP.
[02:04] <jimiridge> have you tried?
[02:04] <KalEl> gnome power manager
[02:05] <KalEl> sorry
[02:06] <SpartanII117> yes
[02:06] <shirish> KalEl: what are/were u saying about gnome-power-manager?
[02:06] <KalEl> thanks that bug seems to summarize it, i'll put my gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose entry
[02:07] <KalEl> shirish, g-p-m doesn't put my screen to suspend even though i've asked it to
[02:07] <KalEl> instead the screensaver continues to display
[02:07] <mttr> having a problem with grub after install  can someone help
[02:08] <shirish> KalEl: this is the problem even I'm having, look at bug 203513
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[02:08] <KalEl> yes thanks, i'll put my comment up there
[02:08] <shirish> KalEl: cool :)
[02:08] <jaffarkelshac> i cant get the command get to work
[02:09] <SpartanII117> wget?
[02:09] <jaffarkelshac> so there is not get?, wget works
[02:10] <SpartanII117> get is not a valid ubuntu command
[02:10] <jaffarkelshac> it might have been a typo then
[02:11] <SpartanII117> are you looking for git, the content management system?
[02:14] <shirish> KalEl: did u put up the comment on the bug?
[02:14] <KalEl> just now did
[02:14] <shirish> SpartanII117: shouldn't it be source content management system?
[02:14] <shirish> ;)
[02:15] <SpartanII117> yes
[02:15] <SpartanII117> well i'll be off... about to go watch terminator...
[02:16] <KalEl> for desktop it probably won't matter as much, but for laptops it will cause problem - can we set the priority to high?
[02:16] <shirish> KalEl: how were u able to get the --verbose thing?
[02:16] <Luckrider> does anyone know of a dock for Hardy Heron?
[02:17] <mttr> its avant or something
[02:17] <KalEl> shirish, i killed gnome-power-manager, then i started it with "--no-daemon --verbose" switches
[02:17] <shirish> KalEl: give me in baby steps, would do the same, and post my findings too as well.
[02:18] <L33tMasta> I'm having issues streaming avi, MP3, MKV and other media files from a wired Vista PC to an 8.04 Ubuntu setup that's 4 days old. I can't access the Vista PC via the network but i can mount it maually using the "Connect to server" option
[02:19] <KalEl> shirish, open terminal, type the following two commands "killall gnome-power-manager", "gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose 1& > ~/gpm.txt" will create the file. Use Control-C to get back to the terminal
[02:20] <L33tMasta> Also when movie player DOES play anything, it plays it very slowly
[02:24] <cyclonut> howdy folks :)
[02:24] <L33tMasta> sup
[02:24] <cyclonut> I am in need of a few kind souls who are in the mood to help me out... I am testing a bit of software and I need some visitors
[02:25] <L33tMasta> what kind of program?
[02:26] <cyclonut> L33tMasta: website. wanna hit it?
[02:26] <L33tMasta> I'm down
[02:26] <L33tMasta> url?
[02:28] <baudelaire> Hey guys -- has anyone been having the same problem with Audacious I have?  The audacious presets/equilizer do not work or are miscalibrated -- the only way to get a "normal" sounding music fiile is to turn the equilizer off
[02:28] <KalEl> shirish, another problem i am facing is that after the computer wakes up from suspend (to RAM), it behaves as if i've removed the ethernet chord - no LAN connection detected till reboot
[02:29] <KalEl> not sure if you can confirm it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/206397
[02:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206397 in acpi-support "Hardy - network (LAN) stops after suspend to ram" [Undecided,New]
[02:29] <cyclonut> you entered your location as "hell" which doesnt work
[02:30] <cyclonut> :-P
[02:30] <L33tMasta> ahaha
[02:30] <shirish> KalEl: this is strange, gpm.txt is empty
[02:31] <KalEl> your gpm.txt? you can try removing the "1& > ~/gpm.txt" part
[02:31] <KalEl> and see if anything comes on the terminal
[02:31] <KalEl> then copy/paste to some text file
[02:32] <shirish> KalEl: would do, btw shouldn't it be sudo killall gnome-powermanager
[02:32] <KalEl> yeah right
[02:32] <shirish> sudo killall gnome-power-manager
[02:32] <KalEl> ok thanks... i'll catch some sleep and will check back the status of the bug later :)
[02:34] <L33tMasta> Does anyone have any ideas as to the network issue I'm having?
[02:36] <ZiggyFish_laptop> hey, I just installed the beta of ubuntu 8.04, and now I have a problem with sound, it's distorted.
[02:37] <davmonster> will I be able to update the HH beta up to HH final without uninstalling the beta?
[02:37] <katakaio> davmonster: Yes, you won't have any trouble there
[02:38] <dns53> yes, just dist-upgrade after it is released
[02:38] <davmonster> sweet
[02:38] <davmonster> thanks!
[02:38] <katakaio> No problem
[02:38] <katakaio> Has anyone here tweaked their Compiz settings in Hardy?
[02:38] <Cristatus> there's no IRC clients bundled with HH?
[02:38] <ZiggyFish_laptop> is this a problem with my drivers
[02:38] <katakaio> (a la cube, expose, etc)
[02:39] <katakaio> Cristatus: Yes, Pidgin handles IRC
[02:39] <Cristatus> apart from pidgin
[02:39] <Cristatus> i don't really like pidgin for IRC
[02:39] <bastid_raZor> Cristatus; i use Xchat .. i like it better than Pidgin's IRC protocol
[02:39] <dns53> i use xchat myself
[02:39] <Cristatus> i'm using Xchat at the moment
[02:39] <katakaio> I didn't like it until I downloaded the Pidgin Pack
[02:39] <timing> This channel is getting bigger and bigger :-)
[02:39] <ZiggyFish_laptop> anyone?
[02:39] <emma> Hello friendly people
[02:40] <katakaio> This included some plugins called IRC Helper, IRC More, etc
[02:40] <Cristatus> except that i'm used to using mIRC, and that has ctrl-tab features to switch between joined channels
[02:40] <katakaio> Well then I guess the answer is no
[02:40] <bastid_raZor> !sound | ZiggyFish_laptop
[02:40] <ubotu> ZiggyFish_laptop: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:40] <timing> is there a powerpc version for hardy heron? I have an old macmini which i want to turn into an ubuntu desktop
[02:40] <Cristatus> what's the pidgin pack?
[02:40] <emma> Cristatus,  i recommend xchat
[02:41] <katakaio> pidgin-plugin-pack
[02:41] <emma> katakaio, huh, what's that?
[02:41] <Cristatus> is that for pidgin?
[02:41] <katakaio> Apt-get that one for a slew of light, useful plugins for Pidgin
[02:41] <katakaio> Sure is
[02:41] <Cristatus> ooo...
[02:41] <emma> I have pidgin
[02:41] <Cristatus> i thoguht that was for xchat
[02:41] <timing> is there a powerpc version for hardy heron? I have an old macmini which i want to turn into an ubuntu desktop
[02:41] <emma> I think for chat on IRC xchat is much much better than pidgin
[02:41] <katakaio> Nope - you download the package and only enable the plugins you want
[02:41] <davmonster> irssi ftw
[02:41] <Cristatus> are there any interesting plugins for xchat?
[02:41] <emma> Pidgin is a messenger client.
[02:42] <emma> Cristatus check out #xchat
[02:42] <katakaio> emma: I agree, although since I use Pidgin for everything else, it was convenient
[02:42] <bastid_raZor> katakaio; i'll have to try that out..
[02:42] <Cristatus> thanks emma
[02:42] <katakaio> And the pack takes out the rough edges of IRC
[02:42] <AutoMatriX> hi folks, there's a bug in Gutsy which does not allow me to use my stylus on my Toshiba m200 .... how can I know if this is fixed in Hardy ?
[02:42] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: try the Ubuntu forums
[02:43] <EnderTheThird> Anyone able to point me to some info on getting Vinagre up and running?  What do I need to do to enable VNC connections on my computers?
[02:43] <katakaio> I often go there to see if some other brave soul has seen if the problem is fixed in an alpha/beta
[02:43] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, tx, I'm lost in there, that's why I came to ask it here .... English is not my strongest point :(
[02:44] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: I see. You sound great to me :-D
[02:44] <Armagguedes> hello
[02:44] <katakaio> Unfortunately, the odds of someone in here having tried your specific issue are very slim
[02:44] <Armagguedes> i've just installed Kubuntu Hardy, and it's not recognizing my pendrives when i insert them
[02:45] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, I'm so sorr but I realy do not understand what you mean
[02:45] <Armagguedes> HAL is installed
[02:45] <davmonster> how unstable is HH?
[02:45] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: There are less than 300 people in this chat room
[02:45] <davmonster> is it useable until april 24th?
[02:45] <katakaio> There is a very low chance that someone here will have solved your problem
[02:45] <davmonster> or is it likely to crash and burn everything
[02:46] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, so that means that nobody will be able to answer me, is that correct ?
[02:46] <katakaio> davmonster: I've found that the distro itself is pretty solid, but it causes other programs to crash with some regularity
[02:46] <patrickva>  I burnt an iso image of ubuntu and i tried the "try ubuntu" option, but it brings me to a command prompt
[02:46] <katakaio> So it won't burn everything or even crash the OS
[02:46] <patrickva> And it doesn't load up
[02:46] <Luckrider> Hi, does anyone know how to get the emerald themes to work with compiz fusion
[02:46] <patrickva> A bunch of errors appear
[02:46] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: probably not
[02:46] <davmonster> 'other programs'?
[02:46] <patrickva> What gives?
[02:46] <Luckrider> any help is greatly appreciated
[02:47] <katakaio> For me, the list so far is gnome-panel, pidgin, banshee, deluge
[02:47] <davmonster> ah, ta
[02:47] <patrickva> Anyone?
[02:47] <katakaio> Annoying? Yes, but life-threatening? nope
[02:48] <katakaio> patrickva: I haven't tried the "Try Ubuntu" option
[02:48] <Luckrider> hm patrickva
[02:48] <Pici> !patience | patrickva
[02:48] <ubotu> patrickva: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:48] <Luckrider> it is passible that there is a disk error
[02:48] <katakaio> I've only done a clean install
[02:48] <Luckrider> or, it is a hardware issue
[02:48] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, thanks anyway, I'll try to check it using a beta version
[02:48] <jimiridge> huh?
[02:48] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: Wish we could be more helpful. Good luck!
[02:48] <AirBender> anyone having big issues with nspluginwrapper on hadry amd64?
[02:48] <Luckrider> I haven't tried he try ubuntu option either, I just used my disk for install
[02:49] <Boohbah> what is ubuntu version 9 going to be called?
[02:49] <Boohbah> indignant ibis?
[02:49] <katakaio> Intrepid Ibex?
[02:49] <AirBender> but this is 8.10
[02:49] <Luckrider> is that final already?
[02:49] <Boohbah> oh there is an 8.10?
[02:49] <Luckrider> the name
[02:49] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, maybe next time ;) I hope there is a live version of that beta and I hope it will not mess up my configuration
[02:50] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: I think there is a live option on the standard CD (called "Try Ubuntu")
[02:50] <patrickva> It loads a bootloader>command prompt
[02:50] <patrickva> Instead of going to a GUI
[02:50] <Luckrider> yeah
[02:50] <Luckrider> that is strange
[02:50] <patrickva> I have a Nvidia8800GTX card
[02:50] <patrickva> Should I switch to the onboard graphics card?
[02:50] <Luckrider> it never did that with older version
[02:50] <Luckrider> *versions
[02:50] <Luckrider> It should automaticly choose one
[02:50] <katakaio> patrickva: Congrats on the card, but nvidia cards don't play nice with Ubuntu out of the box
[02:51] <Luckrider> Mine loaded without the graphics card at first
[02:51] <patrickva> That's pretty cool of the Ubuntu developers to do that.
[02:51] <patrickva> Not.
[02:51] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, that's correct, for the Alpha which is running on another machine.  I'll cross my fingers for the beta :D
[02:51] <Meatgrinder> nice tude
[02:51] <katakaio> patrickva: Can you see if the vesa driver is loaded instead of the nvidia driver at install?
[02:51] <Luckrider> yeah but still, the live should run in gui without a graphics card
[02:52] <patrickva> How do I tell?
[02:52] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: It is on the beta. I remember installing it on my computer and seeing that option
[02:52] <EnderTheThird> What do I need to do to enable remote connections via VNC/Vinagre?
[02:52] <patrickva> It gives a bunch of errors at the bootloader command prompt too
[02:52] <patrickva> It worked before I had the new Nvidia card.
[02:52] <katakaio> patrickva: Oh, yikes - it's been too long
[02:52] <Luckrider> there could be something wrong with the disk
[02:52] <jimiridge> you know what. since i have like 3 ubuntu boxes it might prove usefull to make a nfs server for /var/cache/apt
[02:52] <patrickva> Okay..
[02:52] <Meatgrinder> might want to checksum
[02:53] <katakaio> Vesa is sort of like the generic video driver that will at least get you to install successfuly
[02:53] <patrickva> The 7.04 Ubuntu disk made my computer beep
[02:53] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, thanks again, I've got another question which might not be on topic here ... but is it possible to downgrade from gutsy to feisty ?
[02:53] <jimiridge> ubuntu mirrors prolly hate me
[02:53] <katakaio> *sucessfully
[02:53] <katakaio> *er, you know what i mean :P
[02:53] <Luckrider> btw, does anyone know how to use emerald themes with fusion?
[02:53] <Meatgrinder> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[02:53] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: Yes and no - you can perform a clean Feisty install
[02:54] <katakaio> However, the kernel will be updated to the most recent version, which may not be what you want
[02:54] <Luckrider> I have compiz fusion and it works, and I have emerald, but I can't seem to figure out how to use the themes
[02:54] <katakaio> I do not know of a way to down-grade in the OS
[02:54] <Pici> Downgrading is not supported.
[02:55] <Luckrider> frsh install is though
[02:55] <Luckrider> *fresh
[02:55] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, I should have had that idea myself if, sorry to bother you with stupid questions
[02:55] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: Don't worry! That is why we are here
[02:55] <jimiridge> you could make a whole system backup like a gentoo stage 4
[02:56] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, downloading the beta right now, otherwise I'll have to go back to Feisty ...
[02:56] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: good luck
[02:57] <katakaio> AutoMatriX: what is your first language?
[02:57] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, I do thik I will need it
[02:57] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, dutch and/or french
[02:57] <katakaio> !fr | AutoMatriX
[02:57] <ubotu> AutoMatriX: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:58] <tanner> meh, well, now im bored as hell
[02:58] <katakaio> There may be a Dutch channel as well
[02:58] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, there's nobody answering or awake there anymore :D
[02:58] <katakaio> Ah, you already tried - sorry
[02:58] <AutoMatriX> katakaio, it's 0358 in europe, right now
[02:59] <Luckrider> that is early
[02:59] <davmonster> it's 2:58 I think
[02:59] <davmonster> unless you are talking about spain
[02:59] <Luckrider> I have had some of those mornings
[02:59] <davmonster> and east europe
[02:59] <katakaio> Sometimes you'll get people from Vietnam or Polynesia in there
[03:00] <davmonster> but yeah, it's late/early
[03:00] <AutoMatriX> davmonster, we just switched from winter to summer time, so 0200 has become 030 Hrs
[03:00] <davmonster> I know
[03:00] <davmonster> heh
[03:00] <katakaio> gtg . . . good luck everyone
[03:00] <davmonster> but it was only an hour
[03:00] <davmonster> not 2
[03:04] <ReflectiveSight> Anybody up for a mind bender?
[03:04] <Cristatus> depends whether it's ubuntu related or not
[03:04]  * tanner is bored
[03:04] <emma> Is it related to Ubuntu?
[03:04] <ReflectiveSight> yes
[03:04] <Cristatus> if it isn't, i may be
[03:04] <ReflectiveSight> I am running 8.04beta and I have Opera installed and Firefox-2 installed.  In the preferred applications I have set firefox as being the default browser for opening url's.  I have two url's saved on my desktop and when I click on one it opens firefox, however when I click on the other it opens opera.  If I drag a url from firefox's url bar to the desktop and then double-click on the newly created icon it still opens opera.  Why if firefox is s
[03:04] <Cristatus> if it is, i'm not experienced enough
[03:05] <emma> ReflectiveSight, I saw you ask that same question in #ubuntu
[03:05] <ReflectiveSight> then I was sent here :)
[03:05] <Cristatus> are there and extensions on the file?
[03:05] <jimiridge> fricken console-kit-daemon
[03:05] <emma> Oh. I hope someone can help you.
[03:06] <ReflectiveSight> the file is just the standard icon that gets created when you drag a url from the browser to the desktop.
[03:07] <ReflectiveSight> an ls shows that both of the files have a .desktop extension and are both test files.
[03:07] <baudelaire> Hey guys -- has anyone been having the same problem with Audacious I have?  The audacious presets/equilizer do not work or are mis calibrated (i.e. sounds horrible) -- the only way to get a "normal" sounding music fiile is to turn the equilizer off
[03:07] <ReflectiveSight> test=text
[03:08] <Cristatus> to install conky on HH, do I just do sudo apt-get install conky ?
[03:08] <Cristatus> or is there a different procedure for HH?
[03:09] <jianfei> cris: i just use synaptic
[03:09] <jianfei> im running conky now
[03:11] <jaffarkelshac> any good games for hardy
[03:11] <Cristatus> jianfei, do i have to use a different repo?
[03:11] <jianfei> no
[03:11] <Cristatus> or does it come from the default list of repos?
[03:12] <jianfei> default
[03:13] <Boohbah> jaffarkelshac: enemy territory
[03:13] <jianfei> cris: the go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865 for some setups
[03:13] <Cristatus> i've already got a set up i'd like to use, but thanks for the link
[03:13] <Cristatus> i'll bookmark it
[03:14] <jianfei> cheers
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> can someone please point me in the direction of precise directions as to how i add 8.04 beta to a macbookpro (first gen) thatrs already a vista leopard dual boot environment?
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> ive run the liveCD and everything including my dual monitor setup works
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> its time to get back to where i belong
[03:18] <Boohbah> shadeofgrey: try gparted or qtparted to resize partitions
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> uhm
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> no
[03:23] <ethana2> whoa
[03:23] <ethana2> pidgin went to 2.4
[03:23] <ethana2> heh, i was confused for a while
[03:23] <ethana2> 'why is it acting different today?'
[03:23] <poseidon> Does ubuntu have some sort of psuedo ctrl+alt+del ?
[03:24] <jimiridge> doing that on console causes a reboot to be initiated
[03:25] <Lazarus> Hello all...I have a VNC question that I havn't found an answer to in the forums. Details follow:
[03:26] <Lazarus> I've installed 8.04 on a PC, and I can VNC into the "shared" desktop session no problem, but I want to be able to vnc into a completely different session, so two users can use the PC at the same time.
[03:26] <Lazarus> Everything I've tried has resulted in errors, or a gray screen with the X cursor.
[03:26] <thelsdj> how can I get firefox to act as xulrunner? with a firefox 3.0 beta download i can run 'firefox -app myapplication.ini' but can't do that with the firefox built into hardy, thoughts?
[03:30] <EnsGabe> Just did an update cycle, and now nspluginviewer crashes on all flash objects using Konqueror.  Works fine in Firefox, and I'm using Gnash, so not an Adobe issue.  Any ideas?
[03:35] <cyclonut> does anyone else get a "cannot unmount volume" error message when ejecting a CD
[03:35] <Armagguedes> i've just installed Kubuntu Hardy, and it's not recognizing my pendrives when i insert them
[03:36] <DanaG> Oh, I've been pinged.
[03:37] <adlin5000> not sure if this is a hardy bug or not so I'll just ask, I just installed gxine (along with all dependencies). now all video (totem, gxine, firefox) all have a blue tint. any thoughts
[03:38] <shirish> DanaG: did u see the issue I mentioned?
[03:39] <Armagguedes> on kubuntu hardy kde4, how do i install the kde3 desktop?
[03:39] <cyclonut> gosh darnit
[03:39] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[03:39] <DanaG> oh.
[03:39] <cyclonut> latest updates broke sound
[03:39] <jast-mxm> any way to force a reinstall of plasma?
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:39] <shirish> bug 203513
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203513 in gnome-power-manager "display doesn't go to sleep after today's gnome-power-manager update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203513
[03:39] <jast-mxm> and put everything back to defaults?
[03:40] <shirish> DanaG: tyom thought perhaps u can do something about it? At the very least see if u have the same issue
[03:40] <jast-mxm> how can i force a reinstall of plasma so everything resets to defaults?
[03:41] <jimiridge> whats plasma? does it have a .plasma folder in your home dir?
[03:41] <jast-mxm> or at least force a reinstall of kde and all its dependencies?
[03:41] <keith-> jast-mxm: it probably has a folder in .kde you can delete
[03:42] <jast-mxm> plasma is the prettiness in kde
[03:42] <jimiridge> rm ~/.plasma/*
[03:42] <jast-mxm> ok because i changed plasma's window decor to kde 2 and it crashes now
[03:42] <jimiridge> or .kde will remove your saved settings
[03:42] <jast-mxm> its the equivalent of not having explorer in windows
[03:42] <DanaG> WTF?  I horizontal scrolled and got a helluvalot of 'back' and 'forward' actions!
[03:42] <DanaG> GOod way to lock up Firefox.
[03:43] <DanaG> BackBackBackBackBackBackBackBackForwardForwardForwardBack
[03:43] <pppoe_dude> Hello
[03:43] <Hydrogen> yea
[03:43] <Hydrogen> firefox is pretty bad
[03:43] <Hydrogen> at switching between pages
[03:43] <davmonster> hello
[03:43] <Hydrogen> and in general
[03:43] <Hydrogen> but
[03:43] <Hydrogen> especially there
[03:44] <pppoe_dude> If anyone here has a nice hardy setup and would like to share their desktop, please post it to www.xshot.org and share!
[03:44] <jast-mxm> well deleting .kde didn't work
[03:44] <jast-mxm> i might just have to reinstall
[03:45] <adlin5000> not sure if this is a hardy bug or not so if this is the wromg place to ask let me know. I just installed gxine (along with all dependencies). now all video (totem, gxine, firefox) all have a blue tint. Im running 8.04 beta with everything updated. any thoughts?
[03:46] <pppoe_dude> just trying to get a bunch of community screenshots rather than one style of screenshots for hardy, since a lot of people are looking for hardy screenies
[03:47] <pppoe_dude> this is the hardy page so far: http://www.xshot.org/category/os/ubuntu-hardy-heron-810?
[03:48] <pppoe_dude> and as you can see, not interesting stuff in there :)
[03:48] <pppoe_dude> not much*
[03:49] <jast-mxm> ok, so here is my situation, i need to basically force reinstall of plasma because it keeps crashing everything i startup kde
[03:49] <jast-mxm> if that doesn't work i'm just reinstalling
[03:50] <dns53> have you tried apt-get --reinstall install application?
[03:50] <cyclonut> anyone getting horribly choppy sound in VLC on dvd playback?
[03:50] <jast-mxm> yeah :(
[03:50] <jast-mxm> well i tried reinstalling libplasma0 which is the only thing i can seem to think of that is plasma
[03:51] <dns53> well apt-get --purge remove application and start again and see if that helps
[03:51]  * DanaG wonders if Wine will be installed by default, since Hardy offers to autorun CD stuff.
[03:51] <jast-mxm> i'll try it
[03:52] <cyclonut> jast-mxm: what about kdecore?
[03:52] <cyclonut> jast-mxm: from what I am reading, it contains plasma
[03:52] <jast-mxm> reinstall that too?
[03:52] <jast-mxm> ok
[03:52] <cyclonut> kde4-core
[03:52] <jast-mxm> because basically once i changed the window decor to kde2 from oxygen plasma just crashes upon login
[03:53] <jast-mxm> so do a purge remove of kde4-core and libplasma0
[03:53] <jast-mxm> then reinstall
[03:53] <jast-mxm> here's hoping for the best ^_^
[03:54] <Rukus> hi. in my "hardware drivers manager" it lists nothing. is this normal? i have done all the hardy upgrades. i wanted to use ti to enable proprietary drivers for b3
[03:54] <Rukus> b43
[03:55] <jimiridge> pppoe_dude, you do know there are minor if even vidual changes in the hardy/gutsy default install
[03:55] <keith-> Rukus: you can enable it with the restricted driver manager i believe... or is it not in there either
[03:55] <Rukus> i think what i am referring to is the new version of that
[03:55] <Rukus> or i dont know
[03:55] <Wrath> If your trying to install a 43xx wireless card, i've been having trouble getting my 4318 to work
[03:55] <pppoe_dude> jimiridge, yes hence i asked if anyone has a nice setup, not necessarily the default one
[03:55] <jimiridge> biggest diff is the wallpaper
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> so that people can see :)
[03:56] <Rukus> bah thats what i have Wrath
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> i guess to showcase the potential, etc
[03:56] <Wrath> I think i might have finally got it, but i have a feeling when I reboot its going to die again.
[03:56] <MTecknology> Why can I not run a signed java applet, but I can run an unsigned applet
[03:57] <Wrath> It wouldn't even let me use the ndiswrapper drivers, because the b43 and ssb refused to stay unloaded.
[03:57] <Rukus> well surely my modem, graphics card and wireless card are supposed to show up in my Hardware Device Manager? but thye do not!!
[03:58] <Wrath> My wireless card showed up there, but installing that driver didn't work.
[03:58] <jast-mxm> you're my hero!
[03:58] <jast-mxm> i'll post this one the forums
[03:58] <Rukus> i just recently did all upgrades and apparently that was supposed to fix it. well my wireless light is actually on.. but
[03:58] <Wrath> Its not detecting any networks?
[03:58] <Rukus> no
[03:58] <jast-mxm> i did a little more than just a purge of libplasma1 and kde4-core
[03:59] <jast-mxm> i also removed .kde and .kde4
[03:59] <Rukus> wait
[03:59] <Rukus> it is now!
[03:59] <Rukus> knetwork manager isnt doing anything tho
[04:00] <Wrath> I'll brb, I'm going to reboot and see if i actually got this fixed
[04:00] <Wrath> then i'll tell you what i did if it worked
[04:02] <MTecknology> 8.04 runs Java on 64bit Firefox but it will only run unsigned applets. Is this a bug, something that hasn't been implemented yet, or just a huge gap that needs to be met someday? Anybody know?
[04:03] <MTecknology> hrm.... I made that bold :S
[04:05] <Rukus> Wrath u here
[04:07] <Rukus> ok seriously. nothing shows up in my hardware drivers manaager
[04:09] <Wrath> Get the wireless it to work yet?
[04:09] <Wrath> *Get the wireless to work yet?
[04:11] <ZiggyFish_laptop> ubotu: the tutorial that you directed to me, didn't work, but, changing the PCM volume in gnome-volume-control did, thanks
[04:11] <jast-mxm> rukus: what does lspci show you in the console?
[04:12] <Rukus> i tried modprobe b43 and the light came on
[04:13] <Rukus> 03:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[04:13] <Rukus> i am gonna reboot maybe
[04:14] <jast-mxm> so apparently xinerama still is a no go w/ desktop effects
[04:15] <jast-mxm> because i am using 2 monitors on 2 gfx cards i have to use xinerama to have 1 extended desktop
[04:17] <EnderTheThird> Can someone tell me what's going on with tab completion in Hardy?  it's not working for apt-get
[04:18] <jast-mxm> are you using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[04:18] <jast-mxm> er...rather gnome or kde?
[04:19] <EnderTheThird> Ubuntu, Gnome
[04:19] <jast-mxm> hmm, i'm not sure, i had no issues w/ gnome and tab completion but i do have plenty to say about tab completion in kde
[04:19] <Wrath> EnderTheThird: It doesn't work with me for atp-get either in kubuntu beta 1
[04:20] <EnderTheThird> It's incredibly annoying...  :-/
[04:23] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:23] <sintacto> not working with pulse audio
[04:23] <jast-mxm> yeah, i can't get it to work w/ apt-get or aptitude
[04:24] <sintacto> any ideas
[04:26] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:26] <sintacto> help?
[04:26] <jester7> anyone here on amd64 version?
[04:26] <EnderTheThird> jester7: yeah
[04:27] <sintacto> 386
[04:27] <mttr_1> i can't it to boot up on the hard drive,, god i hate grub
[04:28] <sintacto> who has sound?
[04:28] <jester7> EnderTheThird: i have a weird issue, but i can only replicate it on one website.  wanted to see if you get it too.  http://img.4chan.org/v/
[04:28] <jimiridge> dangit
[04:28] <EnderTheThird> jest7:   .... what's the problem?
[04:28] <jimiridge> i just found out my webcam nolonger auto works like it did with gutsy
[04:28] <EnderTheThird> jester7, i mean
[04:28] <jimiridge> and i dont know what kernel module it used
[04:29] <jester7> EnderTheThird: the page does not show up unless i scroll down then back up
[04:29] <mttr_1> i would like just to boot up.. grub isn't getting installed correctly
[04:29] <EnderTheThird> jester7: It's probably just crappy webpage design.
[04:29] <sintacto> mttr_1 try lilo?
[04:29] <EnderTheThird> jester7:  I'm getting some problems with the alignment and whatnot too.
[04:29] <jester7> EnderTheThird: but it doesn't happen on any other.  not windows, not gutsy, not hardy 32bit
[04:30] <mttr_1> there was no lilo option during the install process
[04:30] <sintacto> oh
[04:30] <talntid> dumdedum
[04:30] <talntid> half way through the hardy upgrade...
[04:30] <jester7> EnderTheThird: i dont' even know how to explain the issue.  does that site work for you?
[04:30] <sintacto> way dumb
[04:30] <sintacto> were are the smarty guys
[04:30] <EnderTheThird> jester7:  not sure.  I can see the site no problem, and everything on it.  but i get alignment problems and images appearing over text after scrolling up and down
[04:31] <sintacto> who could send me off on a path to fixing 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:31] <sintacto> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[04:31] <jester7> EnderTheThird: ahh, see, i get that too, but the weird part is that i have to scroll down, then back up, to even see it.  otherwise, the last page i was at is still there
[04:31] <jester7> i have to scroll down and up to make it go away
[04:32] <jester7> even when i switch tabs
[04:33] <EnderTheThird> jester7:  maybe a video driver problem.  i'm on nvidia, whatever driver's in the repos
[04:33] <jester7> EnderTheThird: i'm on ATI's newest, that could be it, it's just odd that that webpage is the only one i can replicate it on
[04:34] <Wrath> It might just be a coding error with that site too
[04:34] <lxuser> hey im having problems with my resolution
[04:34] <sintacto> there are other web pages to look at jester7
[04:34] <lxuser> i started out in 640x480 and tried the reconfigure script
[04:35] <cyclonut> is anyone else having terrible (unusable) DVD playback under hardy?
[04:35] <sintacto> no sound
[04:35] <sintacto> sound?
[04:35] <lxuser> that didnt really do anything so i changed it in xorg.conf to 800x600 just playing around, now my stuff is sort of screwed up
[04:35] <sintacto> hear stuff?
[04:35] <lxuser> is there another reconfigure script i dont know about?
[04:35] <cyclonut> Ive got plenty of sound
[04:35] <cyclonut> its choppy though
[04:35] <sintacto> pulse audio help
[04:35] <cyclonut> the image is trash too
[04:36] <sintacto> free beer
[04:36] <sintacto> !!!!!!1!
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <lxuser> ... guess not.
[04:36] <cyclonut> lxuser: no I dont think there is
[04:36] <cyclonut> lxuser: have you tried just deleting xorg.conf?
[04:37] <cyclonut> (and of course, by 'delete' I mean rename to something else)
[04:37] <lxuser> is that a good idea?
[04:37] <cyclonut> latest X can run without it
[04:37] <cyclonut> but
[04:37] <Wrath> Did you try to do: dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[04:37] <jast-mxm> how about cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bkcp
[04:37] <lxuser> of course
[04:37] <jast-mxm> just in case :P
[04:37] <cyclonut> remember that you can switch to a text terminal with ctrl + alt + F1-6
[04:37] <cyclonut> lxuser: then you can just restore your partially-working xorg.conf
[04:38] <lxuser> well im in xorg now
[04:38] <lxuser> but the enhancment thingy crashed
[04:38] <lxuser> whatever its called
[04:38] <jast-mxm> lxuser: what graphics card are you using?
[04:38] <lxuser> and im stuck in 640x480
[04:38] <lxuser> a geforce 7600
[04:38] <jast-mxm> ok, this will be your best friend
[04:39] <jast-mxm> nvidia-xserver-settings
[04:39] <lxuser> command not found
[04:39] <jast-mxm> er sorry, sudo apt-get nvidia-xconfig
[04:39] <jast-mxm> then run that
[04:39] <lxuser> ah
[04:39] <jast-mxm> run it in your x server though
[04:40] <jast-mxm> and make sure you have your restricted drivers enabled
[04:40] <lxuser> yeah i dled those
[04:40] <jast-mxm> so when you  goto the restricted drivers it says the ones for nvidia are in use yes?
[04:40] <lxuser> nvidia-xserver-settings still doesnt work
[04:40] <lxuser> even after i apt-get installed that
[04:41] <Flannel> sintacto: Have you checked launchpad?
[04:41] <jast-mxm> sorry, run the comamnd nvidia-xconfig
[04:41] <Dr_willis>  nvidia-settings       nvidia-xconfig, are the 2 tools i have installefd.
[04:41] <sintacto> flannel did check launchpad
[04:41] <jast-mxm> xconfig should automatically make a backup of the xorg file and install the new one
[04:41] <Flannel> sintacto: Any bugs?
[04:42] <sintacto> many had problems
[04:42] <lxuser> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:42] <lxuser>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[04:42] <lxuser>                   line.
[04:42] <jast-mxm> www.pastebin.com
[04:42] <Flannel> sintacto: With your chipset?
[04:42] <jast-mxm> paste your xorg file there and link me
[04:42] <sintacto> i tryed some howto'd
[04:42] <lxuser> ok
[04:42] <sintacto> but i ended up @ viaarena for their download
[04:43] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  all i had to do to get my nvidia card going was install the nvidia-glx package, and reboot.
[04:43] <Flannel> sintacto: Have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[04:43] <Dr_willis> I dident have to run any of those config tools.
[04:43] <lxuser> http://pastebin.com/dbca0f11
[04:43] <lxuser>  i did all that
[04:43] <lxuser> my problem is resolutions
[04:43] <sintacto> flannel ill try that and be back in a bit
[04:43] <lxuser> my video card is working, but im stuck in 640x480 for some reason
[04:43] <sintacto> thanks
[04:43] <Dr_willis> ahh. It got my res. correctly. Let me pastebin my xorg.conf
[04:44] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/f57be7a56
[04:44] <lxuser> can i just copy and paste that? will it work on my machine?
[04:44] <Dr_willis> one way to find out.
[04:45] <donomo> anyone know how to fix audio from flash?
[04:45] <jast-mxm> are you using one monitor or two?
[04:45] <lxuser> bah, if it doesnt work i have no problem reinstalling
[04:45] <jast-mxm> hah silly question'
[04:45] <lxuser> just 1
[04:45] <donomo> ive got libflashsupport installed. still no audio (other apps work fine)
[04:45] <lxuser> right, wish me luck
[04:45] <sintacto> flannel looks like the instructions some one cut and pasted some where else but ill follow this path to see
[04:45] <Dr_willis> i dont have any modeline entries in that file either. Its almost identical to yours
[04:46]  * donomo wants to watch TV on hulu.com
[04:46] <jast-mxm> what is the max res supported on your monitor?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> donomo,  hulu.com is nice. :) veoh.com is nice also.. but their silly program to watch some of the shows dont work under wine/linux. :)
[04:47] <donomo> Dr_willis: noted :)
[04:47] <donomo> so audio from flash works for everyone else?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> hulu.com is working fine here.
[04:48] <sintacto> Flannel? I get this :~$ aplay -l
[04:48] <sintacto> aplay: device_list:205: no soundcards found...
[04:48] <sintacto> and 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device a002
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Memory at bfffc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[04:48] <sintacto> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[04:48] <lxuser> IM AT 800X600!
[04:48]  * donomo plays with paman
[04:48] <lxuser> now how do i add higher resolutions?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  try just haveing the one modeline/mode?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  you are on a dvi monitor>? or vga?
[04:50] <lxuser> just vga
[04:50] <lxuser> modeline/mode confuses the hell out of me
[04:50] <Dr_willis> that maybe the issue then...
[04:50] <lxuser> i dont know what all those numbers on modeline mean.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> in 'theory' the drivers query the monitor to get what modes it can handle.
[04:50] <sintacto> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device a002
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Memory at bfffc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[04:50] <sintacto> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[04:50] <lxuser> well ive been able to do higher res before.
[04:50] <lxuser> on this monitor
[04:50] <lxuser> its just in this beta im having problems.
[04:51] <lxuser> might be the new xorg or somthing.
[04:51] <lxuser> or the ubuntu gods could just be mad at me.
[04:51] <donomo> ha. poking around with paman fixed it
[04:51] <Dr_willis> lets look at my Other machines older xorg.conf file...
[04:51] <Dr_willis> http://paste.stgraber.org/2130
[04:51] <lxuser> anyway 800x600@60 is still pretty bad looking
[04:52] <Dr_willis> You may want to pay close attention to the 'monitor' sections -  it may be whats causing the issue
[04:52] <Dr_willis> from what i 'hear' with the new X - you should be able to set the proper mode with the  gnome/kde resolution tools.
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Or perhaps the nvidia tools mentioned earlier.
[04:53] <lxuser> what are the nvidia tools again?
[04:53] <Dr_willis>  nvidia-settings  nvidia-xconfig
[04:53] <Dr_willis> the one withOUT a X is a X command.. :)
[04:53] <lxuser> the res tool only lets me change it to 800x600@61
[04:53] <Dr_willis> the one with a X is the  shell version..
[04:53] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:54] <Dr_willis> sudo nvidia-settings   - should let you 'tweak' the xorg.conf file
[04:55] <Dr_willis> as a last ditch alternative - theres a x modeline generator web site    http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[04:55] <Dr_willis> but i havent had to use that in ages.
[04:55] <lxuser> WARNING: Unable to determine CorePointer; will rely on X server's built-in
[04:55] <lxuser>          default configuration.
[04:55] <lxuser> WARNING: Unable to determine CoreKeyboard; will rely on X server's built-in
[04:55] <lxuser>          default configuration.
[04:55] <lxuser> sorry again
[04:55] <lxuser> but thats what i get when trying to run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[04:56] <lxuser> and nvidia-settings does not even seem to be a command.
[04:56] <Dr_willis> lxuser,  its not installed by default
[04:56] <Dr_willis> it 'used' to be installed by default with the nvidia drivers.. but not any more.
[04:56] <lxuser> do i need to sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings ?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> tryt it and see. I dont memorize package names. :)
[04:56] <Dr_willis> or use apt-cache search nvidia-settings
[04:56] <cwillu> !info nvidia-settings
[04:56] <lxuser> yeah that worked.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> BACKUP your xorg.conf
[04:57] <Dr_willis> then use sudo nvidia-settings
[04:57] <lxuser> ok
[04:57] <lxuser> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[04:57] <lxuser> what the heck?
[04:57] <lxuser> i installed the drivers and everything.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> hmm.. the xorg.conf has a Driver 'nvidia' line?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> you did restart X altering that driver/installing them?
[04:58] <lxuser> wasnt enabled for some reason
[04:58] <Dr_willis> weird.
[04:58] <lxuser> now i should be
[04:58] <lxuser> let me restart x
[04:58] <Dr_willis> this is when ircing from the console comes in handy. :) you can restart X all ya want
[05:00] <lxuser> ok i return again
[05:00] <lxuser> this time with it enabled... AGAIN.
[05:01] <lxuser> seems it wants a full system restart.
[05:01] <lxuser> i might just format this drive and re install. i think it may have somthing to do with me using a kubuntu alpha and install this over it.
[05:01] <lxuser> anyway thanks for all your help.
[05:01] <Wrath> restarting ndiswrapper seems to want to lock up my computer
[05:08] <EnderTheThird> Can anyone tell me what happened to the "Shared Folders" option in System -> Administration?  I need to setup some NFS shares and I can't find the menu for it anymore, heh.
[05:09] <SpartanII117> this just in..... GOOGLE IS BLACK
[05:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> wait wait wait...  there was a way to do that via a gui?
[05:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> SpartanII117: old news
[05:09] <cwillu> that's so 22 hours ago
[05:09] <EnderTheThird> They know it's not February anymore, right?
[05:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> or 46 hours ago if you're in the UK
[05:09] <EnderTheThird> Daisuke-Laptop:  Yeah, in Gutsy there was.  Now I can't find the menu for it anymore.
[05:10] <Adys> Is there a gnome alternative to konqueror?
[05:10] <Adys> Like, a better nautilus
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, nautilus.
[05:10] <Adys> well, figure
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> and you can use konqueror if you choose to
[05:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> it will work
[05:10] <Adys> yeah Im using it
[05:10] <Adys> it just, i hate the ui :(
[05:11] <EnderTheThird> Any idea how to configure those shares without the GUI tool?  If you can send me to a guide, that's plenty.  I just need to get my network shares mounted on here because all of my media files are on my media server, heh.
[05:11] <Daisuke-Laptop> what is it about konqueror you like?
[05:11] <Daisuke-Laptop> because other than kioslaves, there's really nothing it can do that nautilus can't, i don't think
[05:11] <Adys> faster, handles sftp better, etc
[05:12] <Adys> its mostly how it handles sftp
[05:12] <kevin_> is brasero installed by default in hardy?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I actually USE some of the featurews in konwueror that i dont find in nautulus. the generate-web-preview-pages for image dirs.. is one thing.
[05:12] <Adys> yes kevin_
[05:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: fish:/
[05:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> :D
[05:13] <Dr_willis> I still get annoyed at both - in how i seem to have to do backflips to get things to get Deleted. and NOT go to the trash.
[05:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> i tend to use the fuse tools instead of the fish:/ or smb:/ stuff.
[05:13] <EnderTheThird> Daisuke-Laptop:  How do you set shares up w/o the GUI?  I've always done it through the Shared Folders option so I'm a bit lost now that it's not there.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> I always set up syares by editing the samba config files. :)
[05:14] <Dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[05:14] <Dr_willis> theres online/html books on samba. in the repos.
[05:14] <EnderTheThird> NFS would be better for non-Windows networks, wouldn't it?
[05:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> screw samba :D
[05:15] <Dr_willis> http://paste.stgraber.org/2131  - my samba config
[05:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> NFS works great with windows as well :O
[05:15] <Dr_willis> ive not seen a free NFS for windows..  havent look in a while.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> is there finially one out?
[05:15] <EnderTheThird> Dr_willis:  Thanks.
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: downloadable from MS: Services for Unix (which is actually Unix services for Windows, so the naming's weird) provides full NFS functionality, and has for a few years now
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> EnderTheThird: i edit /etc/exports
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Laptop,  Interesting.. wonder if it actually works with Vista. :)
[05:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> no clue
[05:17] <Dr_willis> seems the last stuff i tried from 'ms' for unix.. was rather... lacking.. but that was a few years back
[05:17] <Dr_willis> that would give me a little better speed in filetransfers at least.
[05:17] <EnderTheThird> I want to only allow access to the one drive to one IP
[05:18] <Dr_willis>  You can do all sorts of restrictions to samba shares.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Install the samba-doc pckage. and read the 'using samba' book. :) or the other books.
[05:18] <EnderTheThird> "Shared Folders" was way easier, heh.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> I dont recall ever using Shared Folders - under ubuntu.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I do recall trying it once. and it not working.. sincei had to manually install samba anyway
[05:19] <EnderTheThird> It was under Administration in Gutsy.  Can't find the thing now.  I only have to add the one drive that isn't there already from Mythbuntu Control Centre.
[05:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: i don't have to worry about using SFU anymore, all machines in my home now run linux in one way or another
[05:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> (3x ubuntu and 1x geexbox)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> I got geexbox on a 50mb partition on my laptop for a fast booting Video Watching machine. :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Geexbox is rather amazing... the beta of the next release however just crashes my laptop. ;(
[05:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> don't even need that big of a partition :D
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Yep. I access the geexbox partition from ubuntu to tweak the keyboard layout and stuff also.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> I still am unsure How geexbox finds the shoutcast streams and so forth. :) id like to set up my ubuntu box where i could run an app and basicially get the same geexbox interface.
[05:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: virtualbox :D
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Daisuke-Laptop,  did that also. The geexbox betas work with theose.
[05:23] <EnderTheThird> Hmmm, well /etc/exports was easier than I expected, heh.
[05:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> all it is a frontend for mplayer
[05:24] <Dr_willis> Im just dissecting geexbox to see how it does it.
[05:24] <Dr_willis> right. im not sure how its doing the frontend. :)
[05:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> or rather, using mplayer as the UI
[05:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> too bad the default fonts are horrendous
[05:25] <Dr_willis> never noticed. :)
[05:26] <Dr_willis> they do make upper/lower case hard to tell.
[05:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> they're really bad.  i just switched to a simple sans-serif font
[05:26] <Dr_willis> and the text sizes changes in the menus depending on the res of the video you are watching.
[05:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> yep
[05:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> i don't like that
[05:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> there's not really anything they can do except for on-the-fly DPI changes for fonts, maybe
[05:28] <Dr_willis> yep. or rescale all videos to a set res.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> but that may tax my low end laptop a little.
[05:28] <Dr_willis>  The Freevo live cd using mandriva is a little nicer in ways.. but it was lacking in other ways
[05:28] <DanaG> What the heck are Muhenkan and Henkan_Mode?
[05:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> problem there would be that it completely eliminates the advantage of HD video playback
[05:29] <Dr_willis> hd means very little to me. :)
[05:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> what ticks me off is that running through the vga-in on my tv, i can't use any res higher than 1024x768
[05:29] <Dr_willis> i had one 'hd' video file. it was 2 hrs and 3.5 gb in size.. and the laptop couldent handle it. :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> I couldent get the tv out working on my lappy. gotta try agains omeday with it.
[05:30]  * DanaG has some DVD-Audio rips.... they're huge-frickin'-mongous.
[05:30] <Daisuke-Laptop> to actually use the resolution my tv supports, i would have to, essentially, buy a whole new media box (not so bad since i didn't pay for the one i'm using)
[05:30] <DanaG> Or rather, rips of only one disk: the one that came with the Audigy2.
[05:31] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, ya, I love that too :)
[05:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> because the best that machine can do is low-end agp, so no dvi, so no dvi-to-hdmi, so no native resolution.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  i have some of those.. well ONE of those.. the one that came wiuth the audigy2. and if i recall right.. the #&@&@&@! creative drivers disable the digital out  when playing the thing.. so i never did actually listen to it.
[05:31] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, cheap radeon 9250's usually have a dvi output on them
[05:32] <mnk0> hey sup
[05:32] <cwillu> not sure if it's actually useful dvi, or some silly analog only thing
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: i refuse to buy ati anything.  ever.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> DanaG,  i dont recall EVER seeing any other  of those kind of high-end music cd's :)
[05:32] <mnk0> anyone got hardy rolling?
[05:32] <DanaG> I ripped it to WAV using some "wink, wink, nod, nod" sort of tool. (i.e. grey-area).
[05:32] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, I'd imagine nvidia has a low end card that would have dvi as well
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: not at agp 2x
[05:32] <Dr_willis> a 'cutting edge new feature' that got totally killed off. :)
[05:32] <Dr_willis> I have agp cards with dvi.
[05:32] <Daisuke-Laptop> agp 4x/8x
[05:33] <Dr_willis> no idea on the 3x2xwhateverx
[05:33] <Dr_willis> they should throttle down shouldent they?
[05:33] <cwillu> what's the problem with ati?
[05:33] <cwillu> (granted that I usually avoid them)
[05:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> you use linux and you're asking what the problem with ati is?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:33] <DanaG> Sort-of-ironically, I'm so sick of nvidia that I'm actually going to switch to ATI, since at least now it's open-source.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> The problem with ati - is the problems with ati. :)
[05:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> Dr_willis: slot's different
[05:34] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, at least they're developping open drivers now, although we won't see the fruit of that for a while (or is it just releasing tech specs)
[05:34] <DanaG> I'll see how things are when summer (end of June) rolls around.
[05:34] <mnk0> DanaG: whats wrong with nvidia?
[05:34] <mnk0> i would say the exact opposite of what you just said
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: i shouldn't have said ever
[05:34] <DanaG> Various issues I've had over time.
[05:34] <mnk0> ati == bs
[05:34] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, EVGA Geforce 5200 128MB (Nvidia, PCI w/ TV-Out, DVI, Low Profile Support), about 50$
[05:34] <dredhammer> hey guys anyone else missing the entry for the gnome-system-monitor in System->Administration?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Well ATI says they are open sourced and so forth.. I will wait till i see some 'proof in the pudding' befor i even Look at ati cards again.
[05:34] <DanaG> For example, you can't control powermizer.  I used to get this, too:
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> their specs are out, and the drivers ARE getting better
[05:34] <DanaG> *blink*
[05:34] <DanaG> *blink*
[05:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: is that an agp 2x card, or an agp 4x/8x card?
[05:34] <DanaG> *blink*
[05:34] <RAOF> DanaG: *blink* freeze... *blink* unfreeze.
[05:34] <DanaG> (i.e. random intermittent blinking)
[05:34] <Dr_willis> but will that help my older ati based laptop?
[05:34] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, that's a pci card (not pcie)
[05:35] <DanaG> I've also been getting hard-lockups when I leave my laptop active with lid closed, or when I'm running heavy GPU+HDD stuff at the same time.
[05:35] <mnk0> well if your gonan switch to ati u might as well install windows vista while your at it
[05:35] <DanaG> Even in Windows, though.
[05:35] <cwillu> mnk0, minus all that junk we just said about supporting the development of open drivers, compared to nvidia which seems to be hostile to the notion
[05:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> cwillu: that wouldn't be bad, especially just for a simple media box
[05:36] <mnk0> oh
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I will still wait patiently to see if ati actually delivers on its promises...
[05:36] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, I'm using a pci card of similar specs (ati though :p) for a mythbuntu box, works fine
[05:36] <mnk0> i thought nvidia was the first to release specs, and promote open source drivers
[05:36] <cwillu> can't vouch for the dvi though
[05:36] <DanaG> Plus, I like ATI Tray Tools in Windows; I don't like Rivatuner.
[05:36] <mnk0> wehre as ati support is horrible
[05:36] <mnk0> nvidia-settings
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Both companies neeed to get slapped around a bit to provide better support.
[05:36] <mnk0> and you can do everything
[05:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> mnk0: nope, nvidia's closed as closed can be
[05:36] <mnk0> wow
[05:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> but ati is getting more open
[05:37] <cwillu> mnk0, nvidia's never released anything for the 3d rendering, which is what most of the card is for
[05:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have you heard of the whole snafu with Creative (Windows) drivers?
[05:37] <mnk0> so they release they're own linux drivers?
[05:37] <mnk0> yeah, true, the true 3d
[05:37] <DanaG> Mmm, root exploit in font rendering.
[05:37] <mnk0> in 8800s
[05:37] <mnk0> not out yet is it?
[05:37] <cwillu> mnk0, ati couldn't release the source for fglrx even if they wanted to, due to nondisclosure agreements, but they're releasing the specs needed to write a replacement
[05:38] <cwillu> DanaG, vista drivers?
[05:38] <Daisuke-Laptop> once open 3d drivers are available for ati cards, i may consider switching
[05:38] <mnk0> ohh right
[05:38] <DanaG> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/29/creative-driver-debacle
[05:38] <DanaG> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&thread.id=30389
[05:38] <DanaG> When I get my new laptop, I think I'm also going to get a C-Media USB sound card.
[05:38] <gothicemogeek> HEY! I have a question about Kubuntu! I need some emergency help!
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Creative also needs slapped a bit.
[05:38] <cwillu> Daisuke-Laptop, indeed;  I used a crapload of 9250's for a bunch of things just because the open source driver actually had accel
[05:39] <cwillu> yay for old hardware :p
[05:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> gothicemogeek: then ask in #kubuntu
[05:39] <DanaG> Creative is going down the drain.
[05:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> nothing's that much of an emergency that you have to yell
[05:39] <mnk0> how is the process for instaling the hardy beta , then updating to final release in april
[05:39] <mnk0> is it just like doing a dist-upgrade
[05:39] <mnk0> or something simliar?
[05:39] <mnk0> and the packages update
[05:40] <cwillu> kinda, although the update-manager can handle additional quirks
[05:40] <cwillu> full-upgrade (what dist-upgrade is now called) would get you most of the way there though
[05:40] <mnk0> ahh
[05:40] <mnk0> cuz then i was thinkin of blowin away my 7.10 and goin for the beta
[05:40] <Adys> is there a way to make konqueror my default file manager while keeping nautilus in gnome?
[05:40] <mnk0> wouldnt wanna reinstall everything
[05:41] <DanaG> Ugh, I hate how the "AwesomeBar" makes Firefox freeze when tyFREEEEEEEEEEEZEpinFREEEEEEEEEEEZEg frFREEEEEEZE.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> setting kde ot use Konqueror - will not affect gnome at all.. of course thats NOT setting Gnome to use Konqueror by default.
[05:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> what is an "awesomebar"?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Adys,  so.. err.. claify exactly what you are wanting to do? You want to use Konqueror under GNOME as the default gnome filemanager?
[05:42] <mnk0> anyone running 8.04 ?
[05:42] <Adys> Tried it, but I just want to be able to open folders and it fires up konqueror :)
[05:42] <DanaG> The address-bar dropdown in Firefox 3.0
[05:42] <Adys> yes
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Adys,  thats... perverted...
[05:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> oh god that thing.
[05:42] <Adys> :P
[05:42] <mnk0> pretty sweet?
[05:43] <DanaG> Best thing I've ever done with Xorg: allow ungrabs.
[05:43] <DanaG> When VirtualBox won't let me ungrab the mouse, I can ungrab it forcefully.
[05:43] <mnk0> whats virtualBox?
[05:43] <mnk0> oh wow
[05:43] <mnk0> suns vmware
[05:44] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:45] <clinton> DanaG: weren't we talking about this stuff last night?  wow..  Naaah.
[05:47] <GuyFromHell> can someone do me a favor so i can tell if this is just my compy or not, python -c "import deskbar.core.Utils.load_icon" and tell me if it returns an error
[05:47] <DanaG> The only really cool thing I see is the awesome day-night cycling wallpaper.
[05:47] <mnk0> link plz
[05:48] <snerfu> I get an error GuyFromHell
[05:48] <GuyFromHell> snerfu, thanks, i'm going to hunt this down then
[05:49] <snerfu> ImportError: cannot import name load_icon
[05:50] <GuyFromHell> snerfu, aye same thing i'm getting, i'm kinda confused how my deskbar is still functioning with this >_>
[05:53] <GuyFromHell> bah, i'll figure it out tomorrow. if someone hasn't already by then... >_>
[06:27] <Roey> hi
[06:28] <Roey> regarding wacom functionality, why is it that /dev/input/wacom and the device files it points to are all set crw------ ? This is pointless... I can't access it as a normal user.
[06:28] <hackeron> hey, can someone recommend a cheap sound card with 2 stereo inputs supported on linux? (by 2 stereo inputs I mean where I would be able to record both simultaneously, not one at a time)
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Roey,  sure they are not links to the actual device?
[06:29] <Roey> Dr_willis:  /dev/input/wacom points to /dev/input/eventN; all of these files are set unreadable to Group and Other
[06:30] <Hydrogen> udev handles all of that
[06:30] <Hydrogen> however
[06:30] <Hydrogen> having it readable by all
[06:30] <Hydrogen> would be a nice way to keylog
[06:30] <Hydrogen> :>
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Roey,  crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 2008-03-29 17:06 /dev/input/event0
[06:31] <Dr_willis> odd that your perms are different.
[06:32] <Roey> let's see
[06:32] <Roey> actually, that is how I have it .,to
[06:32] <Roey> too
[06:32] <yell0w> !ndiswrapper
[06:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:33] <Dr_willis> hmm.. Having an issue setting up a connection to the remote printer..  weird. It auto-detexcts the proper printer. but theprint button is always greyed out in my apps.
[06:37] <kRush> anyone else getting 100% cpu usage from pulseaudio when pausing a vid in totem?
[06:42] <DanaG> What the hell?    That's way broken.
[06:49] <talntid> answer..
[06:50] <talntid> I run a call center with LTSP...
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Whats a good tool to watch these shoutcast tv streams?  i noticed that geexbox can get a list of them and let me watch them in mplayer. and i can download the .pls file and get the url to watch them in mplayer.. but wanting a front end that actually grabs the list for me.
[06:50] <talntid> and when I tried testing hardy on the thin clients, they freaked out. heh ;)
[06:50] <talntid> not that that means much for your question, but it is somewhat similar
[07:03] <L33tMasta> Hey guys. I'm having issues streaming avi, MP3, MKV and other media files from a wired Vista PC to an 8.04 Ubuntu setup that's 4 days old. I can't access the Vista PC via the network but i can mount it maually using the "Connect to server" option
[07:03] <L33tMasta> Also when movie player DOES play anything, it plays it very slowly
[07:03] <DanaG> L33tMasta: using samba, or something else?
[07:03] <DanaG> Vista does something odd with Samba authentication by default.
[07:04] <L33tMasta> Well my Vista PC requires a username and password
[07:04] <L33tMasta> and I am using samba
[07:05] <Dr_willis> how are you accessing the  shares?
[07:05] <L33tMasta> Right now? Using the "Connect to Server" option under places
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Using the file manager, connect to server? Hmm. does that actually mount the share to a Directory?  - or does it use some smb:// type url?
[07:06] <L33tMasta> I have to manually mount them before I can access them
[07:06] <Dr_willis> I tend to use the fusesmb tool. to let it automount my whole lan. :)
[07:07] <L33tMasta> Well when I try to play something VLC Player or even Amarok it says it's an smb://
[07:07] <L33tMasta> and neither one will open thefiles
[07:07] <Dr_willis> thatw why i NEVER use the gnome samba browser stuff. :)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> the user-friendlyness is getttining the way of the way things work.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> the gnome media players can hanld the smb:// type name but others cant
[07:09] <L33tMasta> My desktop (Infinity1) appears under the MSHOME workgroup but it has no folders in it
[07:10] <L33tMasta> So is there anyway to fix this
[07:11] <L33tMasta> Also it seems that "Movie player" will access .avi files and play them but only at 1 frame every 10 seconds
[07:18] <Dr_willis> L33tMasta,  i always set up the Home shares in the smb.conf file, and i alsi give every user a samba password with sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAMWE
[07:18] <Dr_willis> there are no default shares on a default ubuntu/samba setup :)
[07:22] <L33tMasta> where do I find the smb.conf file?
[07:23] <L33tMasta> I've learned alot over the past 5 days since installing Ubuntu but there are things like conf file locations I still don't know
[07:24] <Dr_willis> if you hafe the samba package installed - its in /etc/samba/
[07:24] <Dr_willis> locate smb.conf
[07:24] <Dr_willis> command will find it.
[07:24] <Dr_willis> you DID install the samba package?
[07:25] <L33tMasta> yea
[07:26] <L33tMasta> I did sudo apt-get install samba
[07:29] <L33tMasta> Now I want to edit the heading under "Share Definitions", correct?
[07:33] <erichj> I'm outside my comfort zone here but is it possible that upstart is causing problems with ipod mounting and unmounting in hardy? or should I be looking somewhere else?
[07:33] <DanaG> WTF?  Some of my files have gone missing on my ntfs partition again!
[07:33] <DanaG> It keeps ignoring my "nls=utf-8" option.
[07:33] <DanaG> Thus, my files will be gone.
[07:35] <DanaG> The ones that need utf-8, that is.
[07:35] <DanaG> I've passed that parameter about 10 times, and yet still it ignores the parameter.
[07:37] <gluer> erichj: my ipod wont mount either
[07:38] <erichj> gluer, you sure it isn't mounting and just not showing on the desktop? unmounting seems to be the biggest issue right now.
[07:38] <gluer> where would it be?
[07:39] <erichj> check /media/ipod
[07:39] <gluer> nothing
[07:39] <hyperair> does anybody here have trouble with manual configuration of network interfaces (GNOME) and wireless?
[07:39] <hyperair> i had to manually edit my /etc/network/interfaces file
[07:39] <hyperair> it was missing the line "auto wlan0"
[07:40] <hyperair> so my wlan0 wouldn't come up
[07:40] <hyperair> also there's no setting to choose between open/restricted so it defaults to restricted even though i use open. should i file a bug report?
[07:43] <quentusrex> does anyone know how ubuntu generates the hash from the command 'hostid'????
[07:46] <Dr_willis> hmm..
[07:47] <quentusrex> I want to know what might cause the ID to change...
[07:47] <quentusrex>  If I reinstall the OS? If I change the processor??? If I change the ethernet card?
[07:47] <Dr_willis> info coreutils ’hostid invocation’
[07:47] <Dr_willis> has some info on hostid, if you follow the links right.. :)
[07:48] <Dr_willis> On that system, the 32-bit quantity happens to be closely related to
[07:48] <Dr_willis> the system's Internet address, but that isn't always the case.
[07:48] <kingrayray> hey whats a good app to view filesystem usage by directory? like filelight but i'd prefer something gtk
[07:48] <DanaG> If you change ethernet cards, about all you'll need to do will be to edit, or remove, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[07:48] <hyperair> disk usage analyzer
[07:48] <hyperair> poke around your accessories
[07:48] <DanaG> Baobab doesn't show files!  Lame!
[07:48] <Wrath> was going to say kdirstat, but thats qt i think
[07:48] <hyperair> oh it doesn't
[07:49] <DanaG> Yeah.  It's rather stupid that it doesn't.
[07:49] <hyperair> either way kingrayray wanted to see directories right
[07:49] <hyperair> =p
[07:49] <hyperair> also you can use nautilus to see them by filename
[07:49] <hyperair> =\
[07:49] <DanaG> It also doesn't let you exclude filesystem boundaries while also still showing those ones alone sometimes.
[07:49] <Lynoure> quentusrex: seems hard to google for.... looking at the source of the command might be easiest
[07:49] <kingrayray> disk usage analyzer is perfect
[07:49] <kingrayray> my disk is getting full i just wasn't sure where at :)
[07:49] <hyperair> yeah i do use it from time to time
[07:49]  * DanaG wines SpaceMonger instead.
[07:49] <quentusrex> Lynoure, do you know where I can find the source?
[07:50] <hyperair> DanaGi think you mean "whine"
[07:50] <hyperair> DanaG: i think you mean "whine"*
[07:50] <DanaG> s/wine/Wine/
[07:50] <hyperair> s/Wine/whine/
[07:50] <DanaG> No, you can't "Whine" a program.
[07:50] <Lynoure> quentusrex: from the src package for the package that provides the command
[07:50] <DanaG> You can whine ABOUT one, though.
[07:51] <hyperair> OH
[07:51] <hyperair> THAT's what you meant
[07:51] <hyperair> ><
[07:51] <hyperair> whooooooooops
[07:51] <DanaG> yup.
[07:51] <hyperair> then it's s/whine/WINE
[07:51] <hyperair> =D
[07:52] <hyperair> sayy i see an _ruben at the top of the user list
[07:52] <hyperair> wonder if he's the one maintaining the PPA for banshee gutsy dependencies
[07:54] <quentusrex> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/hostid.c;h=ea50086eb0b759b27756030115ec57eced70935f;hb=HEAD
[07:54] <quentusrex> Lynoure, it seems that it just calls the C command gethostID()
[07:54] <quentusrex> but that doesn't tell me how it works....
[07:55] <Lynoure> quentusrex: then you could look at that? Some say it gives ethernet address in hex, mildly transposed. What are you using it, this time?
[07:56] <quentusrex> http://www.hmug.org/man/3/gethostid.php
[07:57] <quentusrex> Lynoure, I'm trying to develop something that will need to uniquely identify a computer.
[07:57] <Lynoure> quentusrex: oh, then this clearly is not it.
[07:58] <quentusrex> Lynoure, I'm either going to have to generate a random number key and have that to reference each machine, or I have to find some way that is already built in...
[07:58] <Lynoure> quentusrex: there is no promise hostid will be really unique. I bet even MAC address and kernel version together would work better
[07:58] <hyperair> my hostid's as far as can get from my IP
[07:58] <hyperair> =\
[07:58] <hyperair> unless my IP is <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:58] <hyperair> xD
[07:59] <quentusrex> I need the ID to stay the same no matter what is upgraded(except the hardware...)
[07:59] <quentusrex> I need my users to be able to fully upgrade their kernel and everything, but as long as their hardware is the same then all is good.
[07:59] <quentusrex> And I need to find a way for it to be really difficult to 'fake' the identifier.
[07:59] <DanaG>               info coreutils 'hostid invocation'
[08:00] <DanaG> Eeh, not useful.  :(
[08:00] <Lynoure> quentusrex: not really a Hardy question, then?
[08:00] <quentusrex> The MAC address of the ethernet card could work....
[08:00] <Lynoure> quentusrex: no
[08:00] <quentusrex> because ethernet cards are cheap and easy to replace.
[08:01] <Lynoure> quentusrex: not always unique, though they should be.
[08:01] <DanaG> Yo, look at dmidecode.
[08:01] <DanaG> There may be a serial number there.
[08:01] <quentusrex> I'm asking here because there are more 'tech' savvy people here...
[08:02] <Dr_willis> what the heck is the hostid even used for? Ive never seen it  mentioned
[08:02] <DanaG> I have a USB ethernet adapter with MAC address 30:01:00:00:00:00
[08:02] <DanaG> Is that even valid?
[08:03] <Lynoure> DanaG: Not bothering to check. But would not be the first time the manufacturer takes their manufacture part and slaps on a static string.
[08:04] <Lynoure> DanaG: best to avoid such manufacturers, as it might reflect their general level of clue
[08:05] <DanaG> http://standards.ieee.org/cgi-bin/ouisearch?30-01-00
[08:11] <DanaG> Argh.
[08:11] <DanaG> Hard-lockup!
[08:13] <BaD_CrC> hmmm, flash seems to work in 64bit with the wrappers, but it's not playing sound... not that i really care though.
[08:13] <DanaG> Compiz alone: no lockup.
[08:14] <DanaG> Azureus alone: no lockup.
[08:14] <DanaG> Compiz AND Azureus together: random hard-lockups!
[08:15] <DistroJockey> DanaG: just a side question; how do you recover from a lockup?
[08:15] <DanaG> In this case, only a hard reboot works.
[08:15] <hyperair> i get random lockups too but just compiz =\
[08:15] <DanaG> If it's just xorg locked up, I can usually alt-sysrq-k to kill Xorg.
[08:16] <DanaG> Argh, why the hell is ntfs-3g ignoring my mount options?
[08:16] <DanaG> AAAAAAaaaargh!~
[08:16] <hyperair> heh i usually use alt-sysrq-r
[08:16] <DanaG> HULK SMASH!
[08:16] <hyperair> then i ctrl+alt+F1
[08:16] <hyperair> and then kill compiz
[08:16] <hyperair> then i can come back and not lose my work
[08:16] <hyperair> xD
[08:16] <hyperair> just use some other bt client
[08:16] <hyperair> like ktorrent
[08:16] <hyperair> ktorrent-kde4's good
[08:17] <DanaG> But it's not just azureus; other disk-intensive stuff (such as that spacemonger) will do it too.
[08:17] <DistroJockey> DanaG: try holding Alt+SysRq and pressing S then E then I then U then B (wait between each letter)
[08:17] <DistroJockey> DanaG: next time that is
[08:17] <hyperair> disk intensive?
[08:17] <corporeal> any ideas on why USB is extremely slow on 8.04 whereas it was very fast on 7.10?
[08:17] <DanaG> When it's hard-locked, even just 'b' won't work.
[08:18] <hyperair> aw crap
[08:18] <hyperair> disk intensive you say?
[08:18] <hyperair> i'm going to try dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=512
[08:18] <DanaG> Look: I have this line in rc.local (and the thing in fstab set to noauto)
[08:18] <DanaG> mount -o         defaults,nls=utf-8,nls=utf8,nls=utf8,ro,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8,nls=utf-8 /media/Vista || true >& /dev/null
[08:18] <DanaG> Look how many time I pass the frickin' 'nls=utf-8' parameter -- and it STILL IGNORES IT!
[08:19] <hyperair> it's called using a freaking ntfs partition
[08:19] <DistroJockey> DanaG: ahh
[08:19] <hyperair> they don't like utf8 imo
[08:19] <DanaG> It works when auto-mounted RW in fstab, but not when command-line mounted RO.
[08:19] <silent> Hardy's still looking a bit sketchy, think it'll be ready for release?
[08:19] <DanaG> Why doesn't "ntfs-3g" have a "fall back to read only" option?  It seems sooooo obvious to me!
[08:20] <hyperair> release isn't for another month
[08:20] <silent> yea
[08:20] <hyperair> i'm sure they'll tidy everything up
[08:20] <DanaG> I mean, the need is extremely obvious.
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh hey, I can't write, so I'll just mysteriously not be there at all!
[08:20] <silent> DanaG: I thought it did
[08:20] <DanaG> Nope.
[08:20] <DanaG> Not automatically.
[08:20] <hyperair> it doesn't
[08:20] <hyperair> you can use force
[08:20] <hyperair> xD
[08:20] <hyperair> make ntfs-3g mount it anyway
[08:20] <DanaG> Not going to risk that.
[08:20] <hyperair> force it to mount read only!
[08:21] <DanaG> But I want RW when possible.
[08:21] <hyperair> um
[08:21] <DanaG> So.... I have the line in rc.local to try RW and then RO, but it IGNORES THE **** 'nls=utf-8' PARAMETER!
[08:21] <hyperair> xD
[08:21] <hyperair> file a bug report
[08:21] <MTecknology> which version of photoshop is it that's supposed to work well under wine?
[08:21] <DanaG> And then I get this:
[08:21] <MTecknology> i think it was cs3
[08:21] <DanaG> Mar 30 00:15:07 GLaDOS ntfs-3g[6560]: Skipping unrepresentable filename (inode 148933): Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character
[08:22] <hyperair> lol
[08:22] <hyperair> i wonder if there's a way to use the old ntfs driver
[08:22] <hyperair> the kernel one
[08:22] <DanaG> Oh, I could try that for the RO.
[08:22] <DanaG> It'd probably perform better, too.
[08:22] <corporeal> any ideas on why USB is extremely slow on 8.04 whereas it was very fast on 7.10?
[08:22] <corporeal> its taken 5 miuntes to copy 100MB
[08:22] <corporeal> o.o
[08:22] <silent> MTecknology: I have an installation of CS2 running fairly well, until it stopped working randomly
[08:22] <hyperair> probably a GIO problem?
[08:23] <corporeal> from the commandline. heh.
[08:23] <hyperair> why don't you benchmark it with cp =\
[08:23] <corporeal> i was using cp.
[08:23] <hyperair> OH
[08:23] <hyperair> ehhh
[08:23] <hyperair> i have no idea
[08:23] <hyperair> xD
[08:23] <hyperair> maybe the different kernel screws up?
[08:23] <hyperair> =\
[08:23] <corporeal> :-/
[08:23] <hyperair> did you do an upgrade?
[08:23] <hyperair> or a fresh install?
[08:23] <hyperair> try using an old kernel and see
[08:23] <corporeal> upgrade form 7.10
[08:23] <hyperair> right
[08:23] <MTecknology> silent, I know google employees spend a lot of time searching for bugs in it... i think it was cs2 version google put the effort toward, only problem is that my copy is cs3
[08:23] <hyperair> use the gutsy kernel
[08:23] <hyperair> and then compare the speed
[08:23] <hyperair> =\
[08:23] <MTecknology> idk if i feel like trying it or not
[08:23] <corporeal> ok hang on
[08:23] <balgarath> just upgraded UbuntuStudio to Hardy Beta - I'm getting: There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.  on startup and the UbuntuStudio them doesn't load up; Any ideas?
[08:24] <MTecknology> balgarath, first off - wrong channel
[08:24] <XceII> Hello folks: I have only one question: Mind you, I have conventional hardware: Why does my audio echo and or quit when to apps access any audio pgms?, waits., thanks.
[08:24] <MTecknology> balgarath, second - what's the error?
[08:24] <hyperair> pgm?
[08:24] <silent> MTecknology: Whats the worst that could happen? You uninstall it if it doesnt work
[08:24] <DanaG> Okay, what do I do for        uid=value, gid=value and umask=value
[08:24] <MTecknology> silent, pretty much
[08:25] <hyperair> uid and gid put to your uid and gif
[08:25] <MTecknology> silent, not like i *hiccup* any the copy in the first place
[08:25] <hyperair> find it from /etc/passwd and /etc/groups
[08:25] <hyperair> umask...
[08:25] <hyperair> i'm not so sure
[08:25] <hyperair> =\
[08:25] <balgarath> MTecknology, what channel? - It just says Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.  If I try to go to it through the menu I get the same popup error
[08:25] <hyperair> i think 744 should work well
[08:25] <MTecknology> balgarath, just having an error when you log in doesn't help much.... does it happen if you log out and back in?
[08:26] <hyperair> or maybe 544
[08:26] <hyperair> =\
[08:26] <hyperair> nono
[08:26] <hyperair> erm
[08:26] <hyperair> 755?
[08:26] <hyperair> X_x
[08:26] <balgarath> MTecknology, brb
[08:26] <MTecknology> balgarath, #ubuntu is for support and #ubuntu+1 is for support in 8.04
[08:26] <silent> MTecknology: CS2 is always easy to get through less than honourable means
[08:26] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicfilesystems/+bug/41790
[08:26] <hyperair> i see CS2
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41790 in partman-basicfilesystems "ntfs partition can be read only with root account" [Medium,Incomplete]
[08:26] <hyperair> is this photoshop?
[08:27] <nikrud> DanaG uid=danag gid=danag umask=007 ?
[08:27] <hyperair> noooooooooooooooo
[08:27] <hyperair> uid= your user id
[08:27] <MTecknology> silent, personally - i don't like photoshop - but I LOVE dreamweaver
[08:27] <hyperair> not user name
[08:27] <XceII> Rephrased:  Hello folks: I have only one question: Mind you, I have conventional hardware: Why does my audio echo and or quit when i access any sound apps access to any audio pgms?, waits., thanks.
[08:27] <hyperair> oh dreamweaver that's a whole different case imo
[08:27] <silent> MTecknology: I haven't done much work with dreamweaver. I've been running out of time to become familiar with software these days.
[08:28] <MTecknology> hyperair, ya - same package - hugely different software
[08:28] <hyperair> okay you do this: "grep danag /etc/passwd". you get something that looks like: hyperair:x:1000:1000:Chow Loong Jin,,,:/home/hyperair:/bin/bash
[08:28] <hyperair> well that's for me anyway
[08:28] <nikrud> hyperair by the way, uid accepts names
[08:28] <hyperair> danag: mine's 1000 and 1000
[08:28] <hyperair> uid = first one
[08:28] <hyperair> gid = second one
[08:29] <hyperair> it does? D=
[08:29] <nikrud> hyperair mount will accept names :)
[08:29] <hyperair> i never knew!
[08:29] <hyperair> *headdesks repeatedly*
[08:29] <MTecknology> wow.... I just told somebody they're in the wrong channel for 8.04 support
[08:29] <nikrud> I found it out probably in the last month or two. 7 years of looking up numbers ;)
[08:30] <MTecknology> dude - i'm way too tired!!!
[08:30] <hyperair> XceII: what pgms?!
[08:30] <kane77> why doesn't firefox3 keep me logged in or remember passwords?
[08:32] <tanner> who missed me?!
[08:32] <XceII> any, when i access any audio pgms it plays 20 mins, then echos,, i have to re- boot to get back (any) audio, then, same
[08:32] <hyperair> tanner: nobody! =D
[08:33] <hyperair> XceII: what are pgms i meant
[08:33] <tanner> =(
[08:33] <hyperair> pgms?
[08:33] <hyperair> Oo?
[08:33] <hyperair> tanner: okay fine i miss you. happy? =)
[08:33] <hyperair> even though i never saw you around before
[08:33] <tanner> lol
[08:33] <hyperair> xD
[08:33] <DanaG> Bed for me now.
[08:33] <DanaG> Good night.
[08:34] <hyperair> cya
[08:34] <XceII> I have loaded, / standard Gstreamer / vlc / amorok / flash / java#6 / no other plugins loaded, thanks
[08:34] <corporeal> i benched a specific file on 2.6.24 Hardy kernel, it was slow as molasses. the 100MB file copied in 5 minutes.
[08:34] <hyperair> XceII: i don't understand what you mean by pgms!
[08:34] <corporeal> i reboot into the gutsy kernel, it takes less than 5 seconds.
[08:34] <hyperair> what are "pgms"?
[08:34] <XceII> programs
[08:34] <corporeal> i reboot into hardy and do it again -- now its working fine
[08:34] <hyperair> does anybody know?
[08:34]  * corporeal sighs
[08:34] <hyperair> oh geez
[08:34] <hyperair> i see
[08:34]  * Dr_willis is totally lost.
[08:34] <hyperair> hmmmmmmmm
[08:34] <hyperair> you using pulseaudio?
[08:35] <XceII> libs
[08:35] <XceII> only on amarok
[08:35] <hyperair> O.o i have no idea
[08:35] <hyperair> i never had any probs
[08:36] <XceII> I have asus mobo, with GeForce card,
[08:36] <XceII> up to date
[08:37] <XceII> everything is up to date, including 8.04, as of today
[08:37] <XceII> makes no sense, maybe, amorok being kde has somthing to do?
[08:37] <hyperair> i don't know
[08:37] <hyperair> could you try with totem or something else?
[08:37] <hyperair> =\
[08:38] <XceII> only after did i load Gstreamer, did it stop, did it 1nce, then stoped.
[08:38] <XceII> im confused
[08:39] <XceII> makes no sense
[08:40] <hyperair> gstreamer?
[08:40] <hyperair> how dyou load gstreamer?
[08:40] <hyperair> O.o as far as  iknow it's just a backend
[08:40] <XceII> everything else works fine. but listen........when i loaded all things, this problem existed
[08:41] <XceII> from the mplayer, as it askes, worked fine
[08:42] <hyperair> @.@ i'm getting confused
[08:42] <XceII> let me start again, from the start my audio echoed, when if i had any 2 apps useing audio.
[08:43] <hyperair> echo... like repeated plays?
[08:43] <hyperair> or jittery?
[08:43] <hyperair> as in stop-start-stop-start?
[08:43] <XceII> I had to re-boot to get sound back and get audio back
[08:44] <XceII> yes
[08:44] <hyperair> uh which one?
[08:44] <XceII> any
[08:44] <hyperair> repeated plays?
[08:44] <XceII> all
[08:44] <hyperair> what
[08:44] <hyperair> X_x
[08:44] <hyperair> sounds like you've got some issues with latency
[08:44] <XceII> ya, but where
[08:44] <hyperair> sound card?
[08:44] <hyperair> sound cards have latency too you know
[08:45] <hyperair> =\
[08:45] <XceII> lol, its standard
[08:45] <XceII> maybe bios?
[08:45] <XceII> i have on board sound
[08:45] <XceII> im gonna punch asus in the mouth
[08:46] <hyperair> lol
[08:46] <hyperair> i have onboard soudn too
[08:46] <hyperair> but my latency's fine
[08:46] <hyperair> all fine and dandy
[08:46] <XceII> but 7.10 works fine
[08:46] <hyperair> yeah 7.10 used ALSA and dmix
[08:46] <hyperair> 8.04 uses PulseAudio
[08:47] <XceII> ya.
[08:47] <XceII> i had to switch
[08:47] <XceII> for mp3
[08:47] <hyperair> O.o?
[08:47] <hyperair> where?
[08:47] <XceII> in amarok
[08:47] <hyperair> what did you change it to?
[08:47] <XceII> paulse
[08:47] <hyperair> okay...
[08:47] <hyperair> erm
[08:47] <hyperair> could you open your sound properties and change the devices to pulseaudio too?
[08:48] <hyperair> while you're at it test the sound there
[08:48] <XceII> when i do, all works, but sound capture
[08:48] <silent> oh... 8.04 isn't using alsa?
[08:49] <silent> at all?
[08:49] <XceII> sucks
[08:49] <hyperair> it does
[08:49] <silent> wtf
[08:49] <hyperair> in gutsy, sound programs->dmix->alsa->speakers
[08:49] <silent> will it have the same functionality?
[08:49] <hyperair> in hardy, sound programs->pulseaudio->alsa->speakers
[08:49] <XceII> exactly hyperair
[08:49] <hyperair> dmix mixes sound
[08:49] <hyperair> pulseaudio mixes sound
[08:50] <XceII> oh
[08:50] <RAOF> (among other things)
[08:50] <XceII> ?
[08:50] <hyperair> but pulseaudio does resampling really good
[08:50] <hyperair> and so you get better quality than dmix
[08:50] <hyperair> also you can have other features like transparent network sound
[08:50] <silent> is this implemented now?
[08:50] <hyperair> yes it is
[08:50] <silent> oh
[08:50] <silent> I didnt even know
[08:50] <RAOF> And per application sound, and moving streams between devices, and... :)
[08:50] <silent> I've been using it for weeks
[08:50] <hyperair> you can have a virtual 4.1 sound system by using a 2.0 + 2.1 system joined
[08:51] <silent> that would explain why I cant do certain things
[08:51] <silent> perhaps a bug
[08:51] <hyperair> perhaps
[08:51] <Dr_willis> can i have a 1000.1 system  if i have a cluster? :)
[08:51] <hyperair> sometimes it's just tweaking the apps
[08:51] <hyperair> yes you can xD
[08:51] <silent> I cant play songs in rhythmbox and have flash audio at the same time, both apps can't share the hardware
[08:51] <hyperair> but you gotta have a damn lot of speakers
[08:51] <XceII> I need the echo stopped,it (when happens) blocks all audio, i need a fix, thanks
[08:51] <hyperair> you can have multiple subwoofers too!
[08:51] <silent> heh, I have Senn HD 595s, I'm not looking for surround sound speakers
[08:51] <Wrath> you play a song and the server room just explodes..
[08:51] <hyperair> XceII could you open a terminal and type "pidof pulseaudio"
[08:52] <hyperair> see if there's a number there
[08:52] <hyperair> =\
[08:52] <XceII> ok brb
[08:52] <XceII> and?
[08:52] <hyperair> one thing to note: when you use the pulseaudio->alsa->speaker setup, EVERYTHING must go through pulseaudio
[08:53] <hyperair> what sound programs do you have running
[08:53] <XceII> thats fine with me
[08:53] <MTecknology> wow - gnome-control-center looks a LOT like ccsm
[08:53] <XceII> amarok
[08:53] <MTecknology> I like that they took it out of the default menu
[08:53] <hyperair> amarok using pulseaudio right?
[08:53] <Dr_willis> it does?
[08:53] <XceII> right now yes
[08:53] <hyperair> what else do you have running?
[08:53] <XceII> thats it
[08:53] <hyperair> and did pidof pulseaudio give you a number?
[08:54] <XceII> sry
[08:55] <hyperair> yea so did pidof pulseaudio give you a number
[08:56] <XceII> please be patient, hyperair im on 7.10, cuz of this. and will re=boot to 8.04., lease dont leave me thanks., god bless you.. brb in 3
[09:00] <XceII> ok, im on hardy,
[09:01] <XceII> hyperair:  give that paulse commadd again.
[09:01] <XceII> thnks
[09:01] <david> wow!
[09:01] <david> fantastic facelift on Systems monitor GUI!
[09:01] <david> I just noticed :)
[09:03] <XceII> I have been abandoned.
[09:03] <XceII> :'(
[09:03] <Dr_willis> xchat here has a history buffer. :)
[09:03] <david> irssi buffer never leaves :P
[09:05] <MTecknology> If I can convince my company to seed out Ubuntu - would we be able to get a copy dloaded an hour or so b4 it hits market?
[09:05] <MTecknology> then I could ssh it over to another server and seed it from there too
[09:06] <XceII> hyperair:
[09:06] <Dr_willis> hits market? Heh..  You could just run a few dozen machines as torrent seeders.
[09:06] <david> ah yes, the slow servers day is close
[09:06] <Dr_willis> Or apply for/become an official mirror.
[09:06] <Dr_willis> i alwys wait a few days after release to get the  new versions.
[09:07] <Dr_willis> or update/upgrade a day befor, and wait it out.
[09:07] <XceII> hyperair:  have a heart man.k?
[09:07] <MTecknology> how do i become official mirror?
[09:07] <Traveler5> i think i'm in the wrong room, but can anyone here possibly help me with a computer question?
[09:07] <XceII> i aint- stupid. just walk me through it
 yea so did pidof pulseaudio give you a number
[09:08] <MTecknology> Traveler5, i think you are - we don't use no stinky computers here
[09:08] <Dr_willis> that was the last he  said. :)
[09:08] <Dr_willis> Traveler5,  and whats the issue?
[09:08] <Traveler5> well its a 2 part question.... first   can spyware cause hardware failure?
[09:08] <MTecknology> I don't think we'll become an official mirror, but i like the idea
[09:08] <david> stoelen megahurtz? :)
[09:08] <XceII> what was the command Dr- POST IT
[09:08] <corporeal> lawlz
[09:08] <MTecknology> there's somebody elses system i might want to shoot for that on
[09:09] <david> Traveler5: this sounds like a windows question :)
[09:09] <david> Traveler5: it's unlikely, most evil malware was a thing of the 90ies on windows OSs
[09:09] <Traveler5> yeah sort of .. i know the answer.. thing is... i'm getting a nvidia memory dump bsod
[09:10] <david> Traveler5: modern malware/spyware corrupt logical data
[09:10] <david> but never say never to weird consequences
[09:11] <Traveler5> lol.. no the idiots at the geek squad at bestbuy are trying to tell me that a key logger is causing the bsod error
[09:12] <XceII> Look Here folks, I am an electronics engineer, (no-kidding) and am just learning linux, (for security), Do not treat me like somr 3rd grader, That I am not, I always helped those who needed it out, Enough of the begging, no wonder folks like (slavery) windoze, you drive them to it.
[09:12] <Traveler5> i'm just trying to find written proof via website to prove this so i can have my new asus laptop replaced
[09:13] <hyperair> XceII: sorrry!!! i forgot i was in the wrong channel!
[09:13] <hyperair> XceII: i'm so so so so so so so soorry i was helping someone in #ubuntu ><
[09:13] <XceII> I'm sorry 2
[09:13] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> how do you find what package a particular file belongs to?
[09:14] <hyperair> XceII: command's pidof pulseaudio
[09:14] <Traveler5> i just wondering if anyone knew of a website i could find more info on spyware related info?
[09:14] <hyperair> XceII: does that give you a number?
[09:14] <XceII> I am retired, and know the tasks @ hand baby sitting illiterates, this I know,
[09:14] <XceII> t/y
[09:15] <XceII> 5888
[09:15] <hyperair> XceII: then pulseaudio is running. do you get sound?
[09:15] <hyperair> XceII: from what programs don't you get sound?
[09:15] <hyperair> XceII: and from what programs do you get jittery sound?
[09:15] <Seveas> ta_bu_shi_da_yu, dpkg -S /path/to/file
[09:16] <XceII> all pgms get sound, but after 5-15 minuits it echoes
[09:16] <XceII> any
[09:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> thanks Seveas :)
[09:16] <hyperair> XceII: it's always like that? =\
[09:16] <david> Traveler5: reinstall?
[09:17] <Traveler5> yeah i did a full system reinstall
[09:17] <Traveler5> checked the bios
[09:17] <Traveler5> and the temp
[09:17] <XceII> only if i run it for 5-15 minuits, its fine, then , it starts echoing.
[09:17] <david> and you still get BSODs?
[09:17] <Traveler5> yes
[09:17] <david> updated BIOS and drivers?
[09:17] <Traveler5> yep
[09:17] <hyperair> XceII: if you stop all pgms then start again? does it continue?
[09:17] <XceII> its like something breaks
[09:17] <XceII> no
[09:17] <david> possibly downgraded GUI drivers? :)
[09:17] <XceII> i have to re=boot
[09:18] <Traveler5> like i said.. the techs at bestbuy are trying to tell me spyware is causing the error
[09:18] <hyperair> XceII: reboot.. you mean hard lockup? like you can't do anything at all? move the mouse?
[09:18] <XceII> no, just cant re-boot sound
[09:18] <david> right, but then you'd need to get spyware for that logic to work
[09:18] <hyperair> oh
[09:18] <hyperair> XceII: does it keep repeating endlessly or does it stop?
[09:18] <XceII> ya
[09:18] <david> what OS is this btw? :)
[09:19] <Traveler5> windows vista
[09:19] <hyperair> ya means what? repeating endlessly?
[09:19] <hyperair> stops?
[09:19] <XceII> repeatedly
[09:19] <hyperair> hmm
[09:19] <Traveler5> laptop is brandnew... asus G2S
[09:19] <Traveler5> problem is with a nvidia 8600 GT
[09:19] <david> lets clean the channel from vista issues -> PM
[09:19] <hyperair> try making the prob happen again then "killall -9 pulseaudio && pulseaudio & disown" in a terminal
[09:20] <XceII> ok, when i do, then what
[09:20] <unikon> anyone plan on holding off of ubuntu 8.04 and keeping 7.10
[09:20] <Dr_willis> im waiting for service pack 1 :)
[09:20] <hyperair> XceII: see if there's any output
[09:20] <Traveler5> thats not what i need... i just need any website that any of you may know with any written info about spyware
[09:20] <hyperair> XceII: use pastebin.com to post your output
[09:21] <david> you're probably wasting your time Traveler5
[09:21] <Traveler5> this isn't vista issue
[09:21] <XceII> ok. ill do it. I wont hinder the channel tonite, thank you hyperair.
[09:21] <david> it most likely is
[09:21] <Traveler5> i ran it on mac os
[09:21] <david> hello random HW errors
[09:21] <Traveler5> still same issue
[09:21] <Dr_willis> a Live cd - is a good testing tool.
[09:21] <Traveler5> leapord
[09:21] <david> hacked OSX :)
[09:21] <Traveler5> no
[09:22] <hyperair> XceII: if you've got time try ubuntuforums.org it's less noisy there, discussion's more streamlined
[09:23] <XceII> ok, thank you, im sorry for my agressions., god bless you,
[09:23] <hyperair> XceII: you could PM me or sth. i'm hyperair there
[09:23] <hyperair> XceII: no probs
[09:23] <hyperair> @XceII: either way my a levels trials continues tomorrow so i really gotta get back to work. cya
[09:24] <Traveler5> so any ideas?
[09:24] <XceII> ok, be good, & thanks
[09:25] <XceII> Good day folks, god bless you all,.
[09:25]  * tanner feels dirty after that
[09:25] <jimiridge> heh
[09:36] <zero_> hey
[09:37] <zero_> can anyone help me, my SD card reader on my toshiba satellite wont recognize, it shows up in lspci, but wont mount
[09:40] <zero_> goob ds
[09:44] <akaineko> hi there, how to add firestarter to start up ? i mean, so it would load each time i log on to ubuntu ?
[09:46] <david> now that is a controversy I'm afraid
[09:47] <david> there are scripts etc to make that happen
[09:47] <niklas> If I have installed Alpha 6 and is always updating wit synaptic, will my version in fact be the latest Beta?
[09:47] <david> google will tell you all about it :)
[09:47] <Lynoure> david: one person's controversy is another's freedom of choice :)
[09:47] <david> Lynoure: :)
[09:48] <david> I leave firewalling to my firewall cluster :)
[09:48] <Lynoure> I'd actually recommend trying ufw, if one does not really want specifically firestarter
[09:48] <Lynoure> Haven't tried it myself yet, though :)
[09:49] <david> ufw is ubuntu maintained?
[09:49] <Lynoure> david: http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=4 kinda implies that it is in hardy
[09:49] <david> looks like it's a non-GUI fw?
[09:50] <jimiridge> my openwrt router is the king of firewalls
[09:50] <Lynoure> david: I never figured out what good GUIs bring to fw... they just confuse me.
[09:50] <david> I agree :)
[09:50] <jimiridge> ipt_TARPIT.ko   ipt_layer7.ko ipt_ipp2p.ko  ;)
[09:50] <david> jimiridge: hehe, it works :)
[09:51] <jimiridge> its got those windows netbios ports tarpitted
[09:51] <niklas> I have Ubuntu Hardy Alpha 6 as base installation. Do I have to install the latest Beta to be updated? Or does all these updates from the updater in ubuntu take care of this?
[09:51] <david> Lynoure: I'm just imagining the ubuntu-crowd being more and more a majority of fled windowsers
[09:52] <virtuald> niklas: just update as ususal, there's only one hardy archive
[09:53] <niklas> virtuald, thanks for the answer. So I have in fact the latest Beta and not Alpha 6?
[09:53] <jimiridge> lol
[09:53] <virtuald> probably a more recent "version" than the beta
[09:53] <niklas> virtuald, :)
[09:55] <niklas> virtuald, Lets say I install the latest server beta version of hardy on a new machine. When the final version is released, will I in fact have the final version? (I guess, but I want to be sure)
[09:55] <david> you update your way ahear
[09:55] <david> *ahead
[09:56] <jimiridge> quick offtopic Q whats the earliest one can buy beer?
[09:56] <david> it's not like a windows beta, where you have to reinstall the whole deal
[09:56] <niklas> david, yeah, the updater is doing all the job. Nice :)
[09:56] <niklas> Thanks for clearing this out.
[09:56] <david> anything else on a real OS solution would be horrible
[09:57] <virtuald> jimiridge: when the store opens
[09:59] <niklas> Am going to deliver a new ubuntu server to a customer within a week or two. Thanks for the information from david and virtuald, I now understand it will be safe to install the beta because it will later this month in fact be the final version. All thanks to the updater within ubuntu. The new machine will be delivered to customer in one moth.
[09:59] <niklas> month
[09:59] <niklas> I mean, I will set up the machine soon, but be delivered first a month from one.
[09:59] <anmar> Hello guys. Any experts on Broadcom 4318 wireless cards?
[09:59] <compwiz18> anmar: I'm a bit of an expert, what's your question?
[09:59] <niklas> Jeje, never mind. Not any important information!
[09:59] <niklas> :-)
[10:00] <anmar> Great. I tried bcmxx and ndiswrapper and my card doesn't work
[10:00] <compwiz18> anmar: ok, which one do you want to use?
[10:00] <anmar> by "doesn't work" imean. network manager can see everything.. but it never connects
[10:00] <compwiz18> you can only use one, I'd recommend ndiswrapper, I think
[10:00] <compwiz18> ah
[10:01] <anmar> compwiz18: so I am not sure what is happneing. I keep getting a time out error the logs
[10:01] <compwiz18> anmar: what does sudo iwlist scna give you?
[10:01] <anmar> compwiz18: wanna see it
[10:01] <compwiz18> yeah
[10:01] <david> compwiz18: what is the actual brand of the NIC?
[10:01] <niklas> anmar, I have a bcm4318 wireless card on one of my computer. I had to download a firmware from.. I not know. Found the internet address with "dmesg".
[10:02] <anmar> compwiz18: hold on. let me log back in.. gotta chance machines
[10:02] <compwiz18> david: sorry?
[10:02] <david> I've used many bcm-NICs here (unfortunately), but they all work
[10:02] <compwiz18> mine all work too (all two of them ;)
[10:03] <compwiz18> 4306 and 4318, ndiswrapper and bcm43xx both work
[10:03] <krychek> hi, i cant make hardy to show the correct time.. it just shows 2 hours less whatever i set
[10:03] <anmar> I am back.
[10:03] <krychek> my timezone is correct
[10:03] <krychek> i mean its set to CET and its correct
[10:03] <compwiz18> krychek: set your clock two hours ahead of time?
[10:03] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i wonder if this is a system clock set to UTC vs Localtime issue.
[10:03] <compwiz18> you have the time zone right?
[10:04] <anmar> compwiz18: iwlist gives me a list of [interface] scanning... blah blah
[10:04] <compwiz18> anmar: so it gives you a list of networks alright?
[10:04] <anmar> nope.. but network manager did.
[10:04] <compwiz18> anmar: are you using bcm43xx or ndiswrapper?
[10:04] <DistroJockey> krychek: when you click on edit in the time popup, do you have anything in the location area?
[10:04] <anmar> compwiz18: ndiswrapper
[10:05] <anmar> compwiz18: I am thinking the ndiswrapper route is best
[10:05] <talntid> ndisgtk ;)
[10:05] <krychek> yes, i have new york, budapest (where i live) and tokyo
[10:05] <talntid> got mine working earlier today
[10:05] <krychek> and the time for budapest is correct
[10:06] <compwiz18> krychek: daylight saving time issue or something?
[10:06] <compwiz18> do you have windows installed?
[10:06] <DistroJockey> krychek: I have nothing in mine, and it works. *shrugs*
[10:06] <compwiz18> anmar: I'd agree with you - ndiswrapper usually works better
[10:06] <krychek> and there is a house sign next to budapest
[10:06] <niklas> anmar, You don't have to use windows drivers for bcm43xx. It exist linux drivers
[10:06] <anmar> compwiz18: I checked the lsmod and I have ndiswrapper bc43 and ssb
[10:06] <compwiz18> although you should be able to see the networks with iwlist scan
[10:06] <DistroJockey> krychek: house = home = your time
[10:07] <anmar> niklas: yeah...but it has issues since it is a reverse engineered one
[10:07] <DistroJockey> krychek: I assume
[10:07] <anmar> compwiz18: I hear some people saying you don't need bc43 and ssb.. but I am not sure.
[10:07] <krychek> DistroJockey: yes but why is it 2 hours less then on the top right corner?
[10:07] <niklas> anmar, okay. Anyway, if you are going with linux drivers, here is the firmware you gotta use http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware
[10:07] <anmar> niklas: hmm.. let me check it out.
[10:07] <krychek> home time should be equal to the time in the top right corner
[10:07] <DistroJockey> krychek: did you get a choice of UTC or local when you installed?
[10:08] <anmar> niklas: btw, the bcm43xx is now deprecated and will be replaced by bcm and ssd
[10:08] <krychek> donno.. cant i change it now?
[10:09] <compwiz18> anmar: that's interesting - did you get a good inf file for ndiswrapper?
[10:09] <niklas> anmar, You just install as usually with ubuntu drivers manager the driver and then download the right firmware from that address. You can always see what todo with "dmesg" when you are trying to use the wireless card.
[10:09] <DistroJockey> krychek: try right clicking the clock, then Preferences then Time Settings
[10:09] <themanses> hi, i am new to hardy heron beta, and i need to ask a question.
[10:09] <niklas> themanses, Shoot
[10:09] <anmar> niklas: yeah the message was error loading ucode5.fw
[10:10] <krychek> DistroJockey: the time is correct there
[10:10] <DistroJockey> krychek:  hmm
[10:10] <anmar> compwiz18: yea... I got it from the Asus (my card is from them (wl-138g V2)
[10:10] <niklas> anmar, ucode5.fx exist at the address I gave you
[10:10] <themanses> well, if hardy stable comes out can i upgrade via update manager or do i have to run a command?
[10:10] <anmar> and I ahve it installed on my ubuntu any hwo
[10:10] <compwiz18> anmar: let me link you to the driver I'm using with my 4318
[10:10] <anmar> compwiz18: cool
[10:10] <DistroJockey> krychek: sorry, out of ideas atm
[10:11] <krychek> and yes i have windows too on this system, and when i changed the time here it changed it in windows too
[10:11] <krychek> so one of them showed the wrong time always
[10:11] <kane77> why doesn't firefox3 keep me logged in or remember passwords?
[10:11] <DistroJockey> krychek: yeah, if you use windows, you need to use local rather than UTC
[10:11] <stefg> themanses: by default the update-manager will ask you to update packages automatically. if you apply all updates when they arrive you will 'grow' into the stable release
[10:11] <niklas> themanses, I have just learned that if you are updating as usually with updater within ubuntu, it doesn't matter if your base installation was alpha 5, alpha 6 or beta.. It will always be the latest if you are updating as usually
[10:12] <jaffarkelshac> i am still have a dispearing (invisible) mouse pointer at certain menuand tabs
[10:12] <krychek> DistroJockey: and how can i change it?
[10:12] <themanses> cool!!! so that explains why i have gotten 7 updates in one day.
[10:12] <krychek> local vs utc
[10:12] <talntid> anyone know of any programs that scan a range of IP's and map it out on a visual network? like http://www.10-strike.com/lanstate/lanstate_shot.png
[10:13] <compwiz18> anmar: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=48087&d=1193544558 : extract that, and then you should see a drivers-32.tar.gz and a drivers-64.tar.gz, pick the correct one for your OS and tell me when you're there
[10:13] <DistroJockey> krychek: looking
[10:13] <stefg> themanses: that's usual for a version which is under heavy debugging prior to relase
[10:13] <anmar> compwiz18: cool. give me a minute.
[10:14] <compwiz18> themanses: earlier in the cycle you can get hundreds of updates a day :)
[10:14] <themanses> aaahhhh.
[10:14] <themanses> thanks guys.
[10:15] <DistroJockey> krychek: what does /etc/default/rcS show for UTC ?
[10:15] <krychek> UTC=yes
[10:16] <krychek> should i change it to no?
[10:16] <DistroJockey> krychek: mine says no, make a backup and try that
[10:16] <stefg> krychek: so win thins your cmos clock is local time, while ubuntu thinks it's utc ... there you have
[10:16] <anmar> compwiz18: ok. I am about to install the 32 bit ndiswrapper
[10:17] <DistroJockey> Windows forces local, linux gives a choice
[10:17] <compwiz18> anmar: ok -- using ndiswrapper -i should do it for you
[10:17] <DistroJockey> <3 linux
[10:17] <krychek> thanks :)
[10:17] <krychek> im sure itll work after reboot
[10:17] <compwiz18> anmar: ndiswrapper -i somedriver.inf
[10:17] <DistroJockey> krychek: thanks me when it works :)
[10:17] <DistroJockey> thank^
[10:18] <krychek> sure :)
[10:18] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:18] <kane77> does anyone experience the same thing? firefox 3 just doesn't keep me logged in, nor it remembers passwords (and it is checked in preferences).
[10:18] <DistroJockey> kry but anyway, yw and I hope it does
[10:19] <DistroJockey> krychek: oops, missed the tab key ;P
[10:19] <anmar> compwiz18: done
[10:19] <krychek> its ok you can call me kry :)
[10:19] <HardyOne> kane77, do you have firefox set to clear cache on shutdown?
[10:19] <kane77> HardyOne, no
[10:19] <DistroJockey> does it still hilight your name though?
[10:19] <DistroJockey> kry^
[10:19] <DistroJockey> hehe
[10:20] <compwiz18> anmar: so then sudo rmmod ndiswrapper and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper should reload the driver
[10:20] <krychek> no it doesnt
[10:20] <DistroJockey> krychek: didn't think so
[10:20] <krychek> ye :)
[10:20] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:20] <anmar> compwiz18: done
[10:20] <kane77> HardyOne, that's why I'm surprised (and annoyed)
[10:20] <krychek> i reported a bug about ndisgtk, that it cant remove installed drivers and it was set to critical by a dev
[10:21] <compwiz18> anmar: does sudo iwlist scan give you anything?
[10:21] <anmar> yes
[10:21] <compwiz18> so that's an improvement, right?
[10:21] <anmar> compwiz18: I can see all places
[10:21] <DistroJockey> krychek: what driver and remove command?
[10:21] <compwiz18> anmar: is the AP you want to connect to unsecured?
[10:21] <DistroJockey> krychek:  I want to play :)
[10:21] <anmar> compwiz18: I can connect to an unsecured one for testing
[10:22] <anmar> compwiz18: should I use Network Manager
[10:22] <compwiz18> anmar: just type sudo dhclient wlan0 (if wlan0 is the name of the wireless interface) in the terminal and see if that gets you an IP address
[10:22] <anmar> sure...
[10:22] <compwiz18> not sure if that still works, but it used to work great for connecting to unsecured APs
[10:23] <virtuald> After upgrade to hardy gnome-settings-manager won't start and compiz.real uses all cpu time it can get. (Gutsy) X crashed while i was doing the upgrade in update-manager. I did an aptitude update and it told me to do dpkg --configure -a (or similar) so i did because when i logged in to X the first time it was like 800x600 60Hz, but after dpkg --... it worked, some panel app told me to reboot, so I did. I don't remember if X was this slow before the
[10:23] <compwiz18> otherwise, you can see if NM helps you out
[10:23] <anmar> compwiz18: nope... nothing.
[10:23] <compwiz18> anmar: ok, probably fine, try Network Manager
[10:23] <anmar> compwiz18: let me try the iwconfig and see if I can hook on it.
[10:23] <compwiz18> anmar: ok
[10:24] <krychek> DistroJockey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ndisgtk/+bug/108656 read the recent comments
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108656 in ndisgtk "ndisgtk can't remove installed driver" [Critical,Fix committed]
[10:24] <clarezoe> can anyone tell me where to find the services and applications that are started when computer starts?
[10:24] <virtuald> Where do I go from here?
[10:24] <HardyOne> compwiz18, how can I find out what the name of my wlan is? I mean wlan0 does not work for me
[10:24] <DistroJockey> krychek: k
[10:24] <anmar> compwiz18: ... I get "Mar 30 02:23:43 hero kernel: [ 2339.862904] wlan0: authentication with AP 00:06:25:f6:ed:f8 timed out
[10:24] <anmar> compwiz18: this is the error that I keep having... not sure why
[10:25] <compwiz18> HardyOne: try ifconfig and see whats listed: there should be an eth0 (the wired interface) and then another one (not called lo) with a name like ath0, wlan0, eth1
[10:25] <stefg> virtuald: first disable compiz to see if it's related to hardware 3D acceleration. Especially when running an ATi card.
[10:25] <compwiz18> anmar: is that a network-manager error?
[10:25] <anmar> compwiz18: this is the error I keep fighting with ( wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:06:25:f6:ed:f8
[10:25] <HardyOne> compwiz18, all I get is eth0 and lo but I know this laptop has a built in wireless card
[10:25] <DistroJockey> krychek: didn't even know there was an ndisgtk :)
[10:25] <virtuald> stefg: thought so but i don't know how to do it from the console
[10:25] <anmar> compwiz18: nope..from the kernel
[10:26] <compwiz18> HardyOne: the card might not be detected
[10:26] <krychek> DistroJockey: there is :)
[10:26] <virtuald> stefg: the settings menu doesn't pop up like it should
[10:26] <virtuald> it's nvidia gtw
[10:26] <DistroJockey> krychek: that may help one day (if I remember it) Cheers :)
[10:26] <compwiz18> anmar: just a random shot: can you restart the router?
[10:27] <compwiz18> sometimes that fixes problems
[10:27] <anmar> compwiz18: I tested the router with my macbook. it is fully functional
[10:27] <compwiz18> ok
[10:27] <stefg> virtuald: hmm... you could just uninstall it with sudo apt-get autoremove compiz .... after debugging you can reinstall
[10:27] <HardyOne> compbrain, System>Admin> Hardware Drivers list Atheros hardware access layer in use and also Support for 802.11 wireless lan cards in use
[10:27] <virtuald> ok
[10:27] <anmar> compwiz18: it is a bloddy pain... cause I can scan but I can't get any packets form the networks (regardless weather they are secure or not)
[10:27] <HardyOne> compwiz18, ^^^
[10:28] <compwiz18> anmar: might be network-manager's fault, you can try a different manager: wifi-radar, wicd (http://wicd.net), or just using iwconfig
[10:28] <anmar> compwiz18: let me try iwconfig
[10:28] <stefg> virtuald: and see if <glxinfo | grep direct> turns up 'yes'
[10:28] <compwiz18> HardyOne: does the card show up in lspci?
[10:29] <anmar> compwiz18: hehe... same problem.
[10:29] <HardyOne> compwiz18,  Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:29] <anmar> I am going to dump the ndisroute for know and try the b43
[10:30] <compwiz18> anmar: sounds like a good next step
[10:30] <compwiz18> HardyOne: one second though, try ifconfig -a and see if anything shows up
[10:30] <anmar> compwiz18: yeah... will see :)
[10:31] <HardyOne> compwiz18, just eth0 and lo get listed
[10:31] <compwiz18> anmar: sorry I'm not being much help :)
[10:31] <anmar> compwiz18: thanks man... I really appreciate you taking me through the steps
[10:32] <compwiz18> anmar: no problem, I still remember the first time I set this thing up
[10:32] <compwiz18> I'm really looking forward to using that card with Hardy now ;)
[10:32] <anmar> compwiz18: BTW, is your card for laptop or PCI for dekstop?
[10:33] <compwiz18> anmar: it's a laptop
[10:34] <BadRobot> hi there fellas
[10:34] <BadRobot> this party in here is jumping
[10:34] <anmar> compwiz18: ah
[10:34] <BadRobot> ...
[10:34] <BadRobot> so does anyone knows how to get FF3 Beta4 updated to Beta 5?
[10:35] <compwiz18> BadRobot: sudo apt-get update doesn't do it for you?
[10:36] <BadRobot> no
[10:36] <compwiz18> anmar: yeah, my other bcm card (PCMCIA) that I stuck in the hardy laptop works fine with ndiswrapper
[10:36] <compwiz18> although it is a 4306
[10:36] <BadRobot> broadcom cards are the worste
[10:36] <TheInfinity> BadRobot: beta5 is not in repos
[10:36] <BadRobot> worst
[10:36] <TheInfinity> so option 1: wait
[10:37] <talntidwrk> fyi
[10:37] <BadRobot> no isn't
[10:37] <talntidwrk> i have a broadcom
[10:37] <TheInfinity> option 2: compile it for yourself
[10:37] <talntidwrk> 4310
[10:37] <dbmoodb> yeah i have a few problems with the live cd this time-- its made really badly atm -- the install option does not provide options to change the screen resolution ... the safe graphics boot is hidden etc... - where do i file my feedback ?
[10:37] <talntidwrk> is this issue about the 4310??
[10:37] <talntidwrk> if it is, i may be able to help.
[10:37] <TheInfinity> i would recomment option 1 if you dont exacly know what you do
[10:38] <BadRobot> i don't know how Fedora 9 managed to get to their Beta release,i mean FF3 Beta 5
[10:38] <KrimZon> is anyone here able to help me with audacity? i  can't get it to play or record sound
[10:38] <compwiz18> talntidwrk: what driver are you using on your 4310? We're working on a 4318, but I'm using a 4306 in my hardy laptop
[10:38] <compwiz18> they're mostly all the same, AFAIK
[10:38] <KrimZon> there's just a big pause when i try to record followed by an error telling me to check sample rate, and a big pause when going into preferences
[10:38] <TheInfinity> BadRobot: wait a while. fedora has most times quite new packages
[10:38] <TheInfinity> and ubuntu hardy is in beta state
[10:39] <talntidwrk> bcmwl5
[10:40] <BadRobot> audacy is working fine on my Ubuntustudio Krimzon
[10:41] <virtuald> ok, i got x running with no lag, but no wm
[10:43] <KrimZon> BadRobot: what devices is it using in preferences?
[10:44] <virtuald> stefg: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[10:44] <BadRobot> well, i don't remember,i am not on Ubuntustudio right now,i am on debian
[10:44] <KrimZon> ah
[10:44] <stefg> virtuald: there you have, your 3D accel is screwed, probably a restricted driver is causing trouble
[10:44] <BadRobot> try to install Ubuntustudio from Synaptic
[10:45] <KrimZon> i can't find any relevant ubuntustudio package
[10:46] <BadRobot> which packages are you looking for?
[10:47] <KrimZon> stuff relating to the actual sound system rather than just apps on top of it
[10:48] <KrimZon> i'm trying ubuntustudio-audio though
[10:51] <frafra> hi all
[10:51] <DistroJockey> greeting frafra
[10:51] <DistroJockey> greetings^
[10:51] <DistroJockey> :)
[10:51] <justin007827> hello
[10:52] <frafra> I'm customizing kubuntu hardy (daily build 29/3) for my school, but I've a big problem: /var/lib/dpkg/status is not the file that apt expects
[10:52] <justin007827> i'm running into an error when i try and compile vmware. Can anyone help?
[10:52] <frafra> it's a linux kernel c file O.o
[10:52] <TheInfinity> justin007827: you need some inofficial patches
[10:52] <frafra> and not the complete list of installed packages
[10:52] <TheInfinity> just google for it
[10:53] <justin007827> i loaded one patch
[10:53] <gluer> use virtualbox
[10:53] <justin007827> grr
[10:53] <justin007827> i didnt like virtualbox
[10:53] <gluer> ;-)
[10:53] <frafra> so, I can't add and remove packages
[10:53] <gluer> justin: its running my vista setup pretty sweet
[10:53] <justin007827> well, I had a rpoblem with it
[10:54] <justin007827> when i would try to run gentoo install cd, it would kick me out
[10:54] <newbie294> Hello, The release notes mention Inkscape but it is not installed by default in this beta version
[10:54] <DistroJockey> frafra: an issue with your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:54] <justin007827> gluer: something about the xserver.
[10:54] <frafra> DistroJockey, no, it's the default sources.list
[10:55] <newbie294> will inkscape be installed by default in the final stable version?
[10:55] <gluer> justin: i heard there is an update either out or comming for hardy
[10:55] <frafra> I haven't change nothing
[10:55] <frafra> *I haven't changed anything (excuseme for the bad english)
[10:56] <DistroJockey> frafra: pastebin your issue? not saying I can help, but a little more info is needed
[10:56] <gaminggeek> can anyone here play more than one audio track at the same time with hardy?
[10:56] <justin007827> gluer: ok, you think it might stop it from crashing?
[10:56] <DistroJockey> frafra: as in the response fro apt-get
[10:57] <frafra> ok
[10:57] <newbie294> and another question is that how I can take screenshots of my compiz effects particularly the window switcher
[10:57] <gluer> justin: no im talking about your vmware issue
[10:57] <gaminggeek> used to be able to have banshee open and play flash stuff but now in hardy its broken
[10:57] <gluer> justin: i couldnt compile it either
[10:57] <justin007827> gluer: ahh, ok
[10:57] <IdleOne> compwiz18you could of warned me that installing wicd was going to remove network manager and in effect render internet useless :P
[10:58] <compwiz18> IdleOne: I assume people can read what apt tells them ;)
[10:58] <compwiz18> but I apologize
[10:58] <compwiz18> they conflict, sadly
[10:58] <IdleOne> compwiz18not your fasult hehe I should of read before accepting
[10:58] <IdleOne> fault*
[10:59] <justin007827> gluer: well, maybe i will just use virtualbox. I got it to run ubuntu fine, lol. have any distros you would recomend to try out on a virtualbox maching?
[10:59] <justin007827> machine*
[10:59] <jimiridge> backtrack
[10:59] <frafra> http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/quick-reference/ch-package.en.html#s-recover-status
[10:59] <frafra> this seems a good solution
[10:59] <gluer> justin: i just use it for vista, mainly for work
[10:59] <frafra> but I have to reinstall everything
[10:59] <jimiridge> bsd's gentoo,
[10:59] <IdleOne> compwiz18I am taking the oppertunity to do a fresh install anyway. have ubuntu and kubuntu all meshed up and it is a mess
[11:00] <justin007827> ya, i really wanted to try gentoo, too bad it wont work
[11:00] <jimiridge> i could go on for hours naming distro's os's and the likes
[11:00] <compwiz18> IdleOne: you can reinstall network-manager if you want
[11:00] <compwiz18> IdleOne: I'll add a note about removing network-manager to the wicd download page, I think
[11:00] <DistroJockey> frafra: ohh, that does look nasty
[11:00] <frafra> yes :(
[11:01] <frafra> the problem is
[11:01] <IdleOne> compwiz18  know but I dont like all the kde apps mixed with the gniome apps. was going to do it anyway
[11:01] <justin007827> is it ok to ask about this stuff in here, or should i go to another chanell? just checking.
[11:01] <compwiz18> IdleOne: yeah, KDE + Gnome is a mess
[11:01] <frafra> that that file shouldn't be a .c source file :(
[11:02] <frafra> mmm...
[11:02] <frafra> I could run it in virtualbox and copy that file
[11:02] <KrimZon> yep... audacity is still broken and now my sound and video menu is full of stuff
[11:02] <DistroJockey> frafra: customizing how and what?
[11:02] <KrimZon> :\
[11:03] <justin007827> jimiridge: i have heard of bsd. apple uses a version of free bsd right? what is different about the bsd distros?
[11:03] <gluer> lol ive got 60 updates for hardy waiting, but my setup is running really well, paranoid about installing
[11:03] <DistroJockey> frafra: and why :)
[11:03] <frafra> I have to make it in italian, removing amarok and some app., adding flash and mp3 support, and emesene
[11:03] <IdleOne> gluer be a man and do it !
[11:03] <DistroJockey> frafra: ahh
[11:03] <frafra> and make a second cd with wine and kde edu
[11:03] <gluer> idleone
[11:03] <frafra> for my school
[11:03] <IdleOne> gluer you arent beta testing to be prudent :)
[11:03] <gluer> come on!
[11:03] <compwiz18> IdleOne: there we go, now people are forewarned ;)
[11:04] <gluer> argh! alrite
[11:04] <dns53> justin007827 apple uses the march microkernel and a bsd userland, they are not really running bsd
[11:04] <IdleOne> compwiz18 thank you .
[11:04] <justin007827> dns53: thanks
[11:04]  * IdleOne goes and get coffee....
[11:04] <DistroJockey> frafra: out of my area sorry
[11:05] <frafra> so, we want to install kubuntu with those patch in my school and distribuite it to other local school and to the students :)
[11:05] <tobi> Hi, I have a problem with my german keyboard layout
[11:05] <dns53> justin007827 think of it as more like colinux or wine from what i can see, it is sort of like a  bsd wrapper that allows unix to run
[11:05] <frafra> when will be released the first RC?
[11:05] <tobi> I can change it in the gnome keyboard config, then it is german
[11:06] <DistroJockey> frafra: That sounds like a great initiative. Good luck.
[11:06] <tobi> but after a restart it's the US layout again.
[11:06] <frafra> thanks :)
[11:06] <DistroJockey> frafra: Hardy should be out at the end of April
[11:06] <elbermungsterses> something's up with my firefox
[11:06] <frafra> thx
[11:06] <justin007827> dns53: thats interesting. I switched from osx a little while ago. I like ubuntu a lot better, minus the fact I can't figure the internet shareing out
[11:06] <DistroJockey> frafra: yw :)