[00:00] <blakamin> cd /home/<username>/Desktop
[00:00] <blakamin> then "sudo dpkg -i clamtk_4.18-1all.deb"
[00:00] <blakamin> "Desktop" with a capital "D"
[00:00] <sabayonweb_91075> i got it guys
[00:00] <sabayonweb_91075> WORKED :]
[00:00] <blakamin> yay!
[00:00] <blakamin> congrats!
[00:01] <mark___> great
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> i am still transitioning from windows srry
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> im learning
[00:01] <blakamin> no probs!
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> :]
[00:01] <yofel> argh, sry, forgot the capital D -.-
[00:01] <Raydiation> hm
[00:01] <Raydiation> nvidia driver installation fails?
[00:01] <Raydiation> wtf
[00:01] <blakamin> you have now learnt a couple of terminal commands
[00:01] <aurolac> is there a md5 hash list for beta isos?
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> now if i get an error for other programs i just do the same method
[00:01] <blakamin> yup
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> pk big help thenaks
[00:02] <jadams> I'm not able to view TV on my mythtv installation...it just shows a (1) like a TV test signal and then goes back to the menu
[00:02] <jadams> I can open the tv tuner in mplayer, etc. and see static, which is appropriate as it's not tuned
[00:02] <blakamin> yofel: new thing in karmic I think... cant remember jaunty having caps... might have tho
[00:02] <maximash___> hi to you all .. :) i'm on Karmic x64, can't install Ubuntu Tweak (from www.ubuntu-tweak.com), i tried to install the 0.4.9 version for karmic... it gives me an error message... is it a known issue? can someone help? thx..
[00:02] <blakamin> case sense gets people everytime! lol
[00:02] <yofel> blakamin: I think it did, it just slipped my mind
[00:03] <ikonia> maximash___: as ubuntu-tweak is not packaged for ubuntu and 3rd party maintained, it may be best to get support from the maintainer
[00:03] <yofel> maximash___: something about a invalid file descriptor?
[00:03] <Umeaboy> Try installing using Virtualbox then, maximash___
[00:04] <Umeaboy> www.virtualbox.org
[00:04] <ikonia> Umeaboy: what has that got to do with ubuntu-tweak ?
[00:04] <maximash___> Yofel : yes, bad file descriptor
[00:04] <maximash___> :)
[00:04] <blakamin> yofel: exactly my next question... might have to cut&paste for the next couple of hours!
[00:04] <test34> upon reboot, I had to kill X server to be able to login, is this a known bug?
[00:04] <yofel> maximash___: use the terminal instead, it's a bug and being worked on
[00:04] <yofel> blakamin: haha, me too ^^
[00:04] <Umeaboy> ikonia: He can install using that way & see if the same error appears.
[00:04] <maximash___> thx
[00:04] <maximash___> :)
[00:04] <Umeaboy> I had no errors installing Mandriva 2009.1 in Ubuntu using Virtualbox.
[00:05] <Umeaboy> That's a difference.
[00:05] <ikonia> Umeaboy: why ? he knows the error exists in his current install
[00:05] <ikonia> no it's not
[00:05] <ikonia> mandriva is nothing to do with an ubuntu problem
[00:05] <Umeaboy> ikonia: If I had errors on the disc when I installed Mandriva, the installation whould've been corrupted.
[00:06] <maximash___> my integrated microphones works out-of-the-box with Karmic... :) i am so happy
[00:06] <ikonia> Umeaboy: iot's nothing to do with the disk - he's installing ubuntu-tweak - it's not an ubuntu product
[00:07] <roffe> when I type sudo update-manager -d it tells me it's wating for me to exit other downloading software, but I'm not using any other software
[00:07] <blakamin> I wish someone would change the topic to "'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'"
[00:07] <mark___> lol
[00:07] <yofel> lol
[00:08] <Umeaboy> roffe: Checked with top?
[00:08] <maximash___> installing ubuntu-tweak from terminal worked for me... :) thank you ..
[00:08]  * yofel whishes they would have just applied the same patch as last time for that bug instead of waiting for upstream to fix it...
[00:09] <blakamin> roffe:system>admin>system monitor and make sure synaptic isn't running or you dont have any packages installing in terminal
[00:09] <roffe> Umeaboy, now I have
[00:09] <Umeaboy> roffe: And?
[00:09] <roffe> nothing
[00:09] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[00:09] <Umeaboy> I'd logout and in again to see if the same thing happens.
[00:09] <roffe> I've actually already tried that
[00:09]  * blakamin totally agrees with yofel!
[00:10] <blakamin> patch was haeld back for beta release... *should* be out soon
[00:11] <roffe> I'll try rebooting it again
[00:11] <blakamin> roffe: try using terminal for updates
[00:11] <roffe> blakamin, what should I write?
[00:12] <blakamin> update manager has been a bit of an issue in the last few weeks
[00:12] <blakamin> sudo apt-get update
[00:12] <roffe> then?
[00:13] <blakamin> sudo apt-get-upgrade
[00:13] <blakamin> oops-- sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:14] <roffe> blakamin: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
[00:15] <blakamin> no updates yet then
[00:15] <roffe> but it's out for everyone else.. aaaah, I'm going nuts over this
[00:15] <blakamin> there has been no updates for about 18 hours for me
[00:15] <blakamin> is this to upgrade to the beta?
[00:15] <roffe> yes
[00:15] <blakamin> ok... hang on
[00:15] <euxneks> blakamin: are you using a mirror or the official repo?
[00:16] <blakamin> NZ mirror...  but I check update every 3 hours
[00:16] <euxneks> is "everyone else" also using the NZ mirror?
[00:17] <yofel> < archive.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <euxneks> it could be that the NZ mirror waits a bit
[00:17] <mark___> god i hope not, i am in the uk!
[00:17] <euxneks> i.e. it's a bit behind
[00:17] <euxneks> that's just a guess from someone not involved with the project though ;)
[00:17] <mark___> i think we have to be patient
[00:17] <blakamin> 20 years euxneks, 20 years!
[00:18] <blakamin> roffe: have you tried sudo update-manager -d
[00:18] <yofel> roffe: aren't you already using karmic?
[00:18] <blakamin> i've been running the alpha since 4 so I'm just checking for daily updates
[00:18] <roffe> yes, it gives me the error saying I'm using other downloading software that has to be terminated, but I'm not
[00:19] <euxneks> oh wait, I thought blakamin was the one asking the questions! man I should read the beginning of convos before I put my big nose into things
[00:19] <blakamin> hmm
[00:19] <roffe> yofel, yes, but only a6
[00:19] <blakamin> roffe, if you have got updates in the last 3 days, you have the beta!
[00:19] <yofel> roffe: if you want to have your repository really up-to-date switch from a mirror to the main server in sofware properties
[00:20] <thiebaude> blakamin, also i was wondering that, no updates today
[00:20] <trappist> after upgrade I can only get audio in KDE apps.  anybody else seeing this?
[00:20] <yofel> roffe: but there really isn't that much difference in the last days just like blakamin said
[00:20] <mark___> is there a command i can type to get my exact version i am using?
[00:20] <blakamin> thiebaude, not  yet
[00:20] <roffe> yofel I've tried that. blakamin, In beta the add/remove is supposed to be gone, and it's not
[00:20] <thiebaude> blakamin, only chromium and update manager update
[00:21] <blakamin> yup
[00:21] <thiebaude> blakamin, still no video as far as wmv. in chromium
[00:21] <thiebaude> i cant install chrome
[00:21] <blakamin> I still have add/remove... no big deal, it's just a left over
[00:21] <holmser> just tried the update manager update... it just sat there for 4 hours after downloading the files while I was at school while on the install step
[00:22] <thiebaude> when i did the chrome .deb it wont install
[00:22] <holmser> that was really unclear... sorry
[00:22] <blakamin> thiebaude, 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'"
[00:23] <thiebaude> blakamin, of i'll try, last nite i left the -i out, just used the i
[00:23]  * thiebaude brb
[00:24] <holmser> any ideas why the update manager won't install 9.10?  doesn't hang, doesn't really do anything.  and when I look at the terminal window, it just has a bunch of y's
[00:25] <blakamin> are you running an alpha holmser?
[00:28] <blakamin> brb... going to reboot to see if I have fixed an issue of mine
[00:29] <antitezo> hi all, is there some reason that the beta don't let me switch to console pressing alt+ctrl+1? i used to do that to solve my monitor "out of range" problem, but now it doesnt work
[00:31] <test34> antitezo, try ctrl-alt-f1
[00:31] <Veinor> Yeah, ctrl-alt-f1.
[00:31] <thiebaude> blakamin, cannot access archive:no such file or directory, when i tried to install chrome
[00:31] <antitezo> sorry i did try that, i miss mythe f when typing
[00:31] <Raydiation> can you play mp3 files?
[00:32] <Raydiation> ive installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:32] <Raydiation> it sais cant play, stream to bi
[00:32] <Raydiation> g
[00:33] <thiebaude> blakamin, i tried that and it didn't work
[00:33] <leoncismeck> The tracker is not allowing me to download/track 9.10beta desktop
[00:34] <blakamin> thiebaude, weird... might have to reboot then
[00:34] <thiebaude> blakamin, it said no such file or directory, i downloaded it to the desktop
[00:35] <blakamin> ok... what you want is cd ~/Desktop
[00:35] <blakamin> then try again
[00:35] <blakamin> capital D
[00:35] <thiebaude> blakamin, ok, thanks i'll try that
[00:35] <roffe> for those who have upgraded..
[00:36] <thiebaude> brb
[00:36] <roffe> is add/remove still in >system>administration?
[00:37] <Raydiation> can you play mp3 files?
[00:38] <yofel> roffe: afaik all that happened is that ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on it anymore, so it won't be removed on upgrade and won't be installed on fresh install
[00:39] <jamalta> hi, i need to set AccelMethod to EXA to test an issue i am having but xorg.conf is not there in karmic :\
[00:39] <jamalta> could someone guide me in which direction i can go to do that?
[00:39] <yofel> jamalta: there is no EXA support for intel cards anymore in karmic
[00:39] <jamalta> yofel: i'm using ati
[00:40] <yofel> jamalta: then run 'sudo Xorg -configure' in a terminal and copy the dummy file from /root/ to /etc/X11/ and edit it there
[00:40] <thiebaude> blakamin, this is waht it says ,Setting up google-chrome-unstable (<IP_ADDRESS>-r27053) ...
[00:41] <thiebaude> blakamin, i got its installed thanks alot
[00:42] <blakamin> no probs!
[00:44] <Raydiation> hm i cant play any music at all
[00:47] <test34> is the beta on mirrors yet?
[00:47] <holmser> blakamin, I'm running 9.04
[00:47] <blakamin> ok
[00:48] <leoncismeck> the tracker is still complaining about this torrent
[00:48] <leoncismeck> its bothering me
[00:49] <blakamin> holmser, you did sudo update-manager -d?
[00:50] <holmser> yeah
[00:50] <holmser> then I clicked on the 9.10 button, everything went well, downloaded files
[00:51] <blakamin> but then it stalls with the unpacking?
[00:51] <holmser> yeah
[00:51] <holmser> doesn't freeze, just doesn't actually do anything
[00:51] <blakamin> hmm... hang on a sec
[00:52] <holmser> when I click on the terminal, there is just a column of n's on the left side.  no real helpful info
[00:52] <holmser> is there a way to do it from CL?
[00:53] <aurolac> anyone have issue with flash in firefox in beta?
[00:53] <laszlok> hey the known issues on (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta) talks about the Ubuntu Moblin Remix, but there isn't a download available with the rest of the images, where can i download it?
[00:54] <blakamin> there is... I can't remeber at the moment
[00:54] <blakamin> sudo apt-get-update
[00:54] <thiebaude> blakamin, chrome works perfectly
[00:54] <blakamin> is the start
[00:54] <blakamin> sweet!
[00:55] <JanC> laszlok: all the packages are in the repository I suppose
[00:55] <JanC> (but if there are issues, maybe not the best idea to install them? ;) )
[00:56] <holmser> it set all my repos to karmic...
[00:56] <blakamin> I have never tried but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:57] <laszlok> JanC: theres only an issue with the web browser, which is fixed by using the PPA.  I'd also say the repos are getting hammered at the moment
[01:00] <blakamin> holmser
[01:00] <blakamin> sorry joshua__
[01:00] <joshua__> no problems blakamin
[01:01] <blakamin> I have no idea about screensavers... never used one
[01:01] <holmser> I have the iso... can I just mount it or do I need to burn it?
[01:01] <rsk> mirrors is fine for me 2.4mb/sec :)
[01:01] <joshua__> is monitor burn an issue with modern lcd screens?
[01:01] <blakamin> you can put it on usb key using USB startup disk creator
[01:02] <holmser> ahh.... there we go
[01:02] <blakamin> joshua__ not that I have found
[01:02] <aurolac> webcam for msi wind aint working in beta :/
[01:03] <blakamin> but when I am away for more than 10 mins, I turn my monitor off or shut my laptop lid
[01:03] <rsk> aurolac: works in jaunty?
[01:03] <aurolac> aye
[01:03] <rsk> report bug in launchpad
[01:03] <rsk> pajas11
[01:03] <rsk> bah
[01:03] <aurolac> it was logged maybe i'll reboot since my install
[01:03] <rsk> fokin terminals mixed up
[01:04] <aurolac> im not liking this ubuntu software store and the Price : free
[01:04] <aurolac> makes me nervous
[01:04] <joshua__> could there be a program preventing it from going to sleep?
[01:04] <rsk> aurolac: i can take 1$ per download if that would make you happy
[01:04] <joshua__> oh wait i think i just figured it out
[01:04] <aurolac> i spend half my time on a new ubuntu install removing crap
[01:04] <rsk> i'd have no problems with that :)
[01:05] <joshua__> there is a check box that says  activate screensave when computer is idle
[01:05] <joshua__> that was not checked
[01:05] <joshua__> I must have unchecked it by accident
[01:06] <blakamin> kewl!
[01:08] <Raydiation> the notifications are a bit far away from the top panel
[01:08] <Raydiation> is this supposed to be ok?
[01:08] <blakamin> there is a huge discussion on that at the forums
[01:11] <Raydiation> blakamin: why?
[01:11] <blakamin> about where the notifications are and why etc
[01:12] <blakamin> people want them moved etc
[01:13] <Crashbit> A graphical interface to configure it would be best
[01:14] <blakamin> that is one thing people want!
[01:14] <blakamin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1278890
[01:16] <test34> joshua__, http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm
[01:17] <joshua__> yeah i just read a similar article about it but thanks test34
[01:20] <test34> pretty hard to get a decent download speed fo karmic beta
[01:21] <cousteau> time to create the usb UNR image... I hope at least one of the two backups I made of my pendrive works
[01:22] <blakamin> test34, no surprises there today!
[01:24] <test34> I'm 20% surprised
[01:28] <blakamin> lol
[01:29] <rww> test34: that's probably partially because the tracker isn't working properly, so you're downloading over DHT.
[01:30] <test34> ok rww
[01:37] <test34> found a fast mirror http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/ (fast from here anyways)
[01:38] <test34> 1mb/sec
[01:38] <blakamin> kewl
[01:38] <rww> Yeah, I use the utah.edu server for updates. It's nice and dependable and fast :)
[01:39] <test34> I think I will start to use it too;)
[01:39] <Andre_Gondim> I can't download the Ubuntu Beta by torrent
[01:39] <test34> Andre_Gondim, try  http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[01:39] <rww> Andre_Gondim: it isn't registered properly with the tracker. If your client can do DHT, you could use that, otherwise download from the web.
[01:41] <Andre_Gondim> the same problem test34
[01:41] <test34> Andre_Gondim, try from the web like rww said
[01:42] <test34> (download .iso instead of .torrent)
[01:42] <akioghoster> or do a update-manager -d
[01:42] <akioghoster> sudo that is
[01:42] <akioghoster> after update & upgrade
[01:43] <test34> I will try a clean install for the beta to see if any problems get resolved
[01:44] <akio> Some of my problems were just resolved with the latest.
[01:45] <test34> since my last updated, a boot problem was introduced, I have to kill X to be able to login
[01:48] <akio> nasty
[01:49] <akio> the boot process is under heavy development
[01:50] <test34> I'm also switching to the 64bit version
[01:51] <wastrel> good morning
[01:51] <wastrel> i have koala
[01:51] <wastrel> on my computer
[01:53] <zsquareplusc> is there a problem with the beta torrent? transmission on 9.04 says something about "not authorized for this tracker"
[01:55] <test34> zsquareplusc,  <rww> Andre_Gondim: it isn't registered properly with the tracker. If your client can do DHT, you could use that, otherwise download from the web.
[01:55] <zsquareplusc> ok. whats DHT?
[01:56] <rww> zsquareplusc: distributed hash tables. I know Deluge can do it, dunno about Transmission.
[01:56] <test34> Distributed Hash Tables aka trackerless torrent
[01:56] <rww> zsquareplusc: basically, just leave your client alone for a few minutes. If it doesn't magically start downloading, DHT is probably turned off so go download from the web.
[01:57] <murielgodoi1> Hi guys, I've got "Request download is not authorized for use with this tracker message" message when trying to download the beta iso using torrent. Any ideas?
[01:57] <zsquareplusc> murielgodoi1: yes, read the 6 lines above :-)
[01:58] <rww> murielgodoi1: the Ubuntu tracker isn't set up properly. Leave your client alone for a few minutes, see if it finds some peers over DHT, if not download from the web instead.
[01:58] <test34> murielgodoi1, download from web http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[01:59] <murielgodoi1> zsquareplusc, rww, test34: my bad. I just get in adn didn't see that messages. thanks
[02:00] <zsquareplusc> murielgodoi1: sorry, join and part messages are hidden, did not see that you could not have had seen those ;-)
[02:01] <test34> someone should say it in the topic
[02:03] <murielgodoi1> test34: now, I'm downloading from web using that mirror, its about 110KB/s, thanks
[02:04] <test34> murielgodoi1, np
[02:09] <murielgodoi1> I'm about to try the 64bits version for the fisrt time,  is there any known problem that I should be prepared due to 32 -> 64 bits change?
[02:09] <blakamin> flash
[02:09] <rww> murielgodoi1: I've used 64-bit for a while, haven't had a problem with it.
[02:10] <iflema> here here.... ya been missn out
[02:10] <blakamin> but the flash thing might be solved... installing debs is sometimes an issue as most are for i386
[02:10] <rww> murielgodoi1: if you're planning on using Adobe's flash plugin, I'd recommend downloading the link at the bottom of http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html and putting the file it contains into ~/.mozilla/plugins/, rather than using the version in the repositories
[02:10] <nemo> Odd totem bug
[02:11] <nemo> It appears that the video portion (regardless of whether totem is zoomed to fullscreen or not) is playing *behind* everything else
[02:11] <darkham> now someone are trying karmic beta with static network setup?
[02:11] <nemo> or at least, there is a black square where the video should be, and a teensy thing 1px line along top edge that has same shifts in colour as the video would
[02:11] <nemo> mplayer works just fine
[02:11] <iflema> rrw has it... for flash thats is
[02:12] <nemo> better than ratsFatal Python error: PyEval_SaveThread: NULL tstate
[02:12] <nemo> huh. wonder where that bit of pastebin came from
[02:12] <nemo> anyway. and of course I'm still getting this crash on close - that happens on all my machines, and looks like is well documented
[02:12] <murielgodoi1> anyone tested skype?
[02:13] <test34> murielgodoi1, no but it looks like they skype now has a 64bit beta version
[02:13] <murielgodoi1> test34: cool
[02:14] <test34> the only thing with beta skype is you cannot use different devices for ringing and speakers
[02:15] <joshua__> so when i boot my computer...
[02:15] <arand> updates, finally, beta freeze is boooring :)
[02:15] <joshua__> i get a message that says that my bios are not supported...
[02:15] <arand> joshua__: that's very common
[02:15] <test34> but that can be solved by having skype run "mplayer /sounds/ring.wav" when the phone ring
[02:15] <joshua__> arand, so it is nothing to worry about?
[02:15] <joshua__> I have never seen that message before
[02:16] <arand> joshua__: shouldn't bee I don't think
[02:16] <blakamin> I get it all the time
[02:16] <joshua__> Okay... it hasn't impacted performance or anything i was just curious
[02:17] <blakamin> no probs with it... I think the only reason we see it now is due to no usplash
[02:17] <joshua__> gotcha
[02:17] <blakamin> brb... gotta rebbot and kill gnome-shell
[02:18] <len> What about WINE under the 64-bit version?
[02:18] <rww> len: works fine
[02:18] <arand> joshua__: similar to last message of: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31901785/Screenshot-2ubuntu%20%5BRunning%5D%20-%20VirtualBox%20OSE-1.png ??
[02:19] <joshua__> arand, no...
[02:19] <joshua__> it says something about the bios being unknown or unsupported, now aborting please report
[02:20] <joshua__> or something liek that
[02:21] <hoonteke> anyone know why the beta bittorrent is "not authorized to use this tracker?"
[02:21] <arand> joshua__: hmm, well I've never seen that one before, you could look around launchpad for a bit if you're after info.
[02:21] <murielgodoi1> I got the same problem, murielgodoi1: the Ubuntu tracker isn't set up properly. Leave your client alone for a few minutes, see if it finds some peers over DHT, if not download from the web instead.
[02:22] <blayde> so it's great that the karmic beta is released! but...
[02:22] <murielgodoi1> hoonteke: or download from web http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[02:22] <blayde> i'm thinking someone forgot to put it on the torrent server
[02:23] <blayde> especially the i386 and amd64 desktop isos
[02:23] <hoonteke> murielgodoi1: yeah, I can download, but I'd like to know why it's not authorized
[02:23] <rww> blayde: correct
[02:23] <blayde> ya hoonteke that's my problem - they aren't there
[02:23] <hoonteke> oh .. . blayde ... got it, that makes sense
[02:23] <rww> hoonteke: because someone forgot to add it to the torrent server
[02:23] <hoonteke> is there someone in this room who could do that?
[02:24] <murielgodoi1> +1  test34: someone should say it in the topic
[02:25] <hoonteke> blayde: hmm, seems to me that's a misleading error.  If the file is straight up not there, wouldn't that be a "seed file doesn't exist" or something like that?
[02:25] <joshua__> from what i can see it is an issue with grub2
[02:25] <rww> hoonteke: no
[02:26] <rww> I'll go pester the channel ops about adding it to the topic, one sec.
[02:26] <hoonteke> rww, thanks
[02:26] <blayde> rww: thank you
[02:26] <joshua__> but it only seems to effect acers...
[02:27] <blayde> hoonteke: ya it isn't the most descriptive error but i did look on the server and they aren't there
[02:28] <blayde> hoonteke: some weird armel dove stuff is there instead
[02:28] <murielgodoi1> !topic
[02:28] <hoonteke> blayde: erm, not there?  mayhaps I don't understand ... http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ shows links to them ...?
[02:28] <blayde> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/karmic/desktop/
[02:28] <hoonteke> ah, wrong link.  got it, thanks
[02:29] <blayde> compare to http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/jaunty/desktop/
[02:29] <hoonteke> sho' nuff.  Thanks blayde.
[02:29] <hoonteke> good detective work.  I wouldn't have thought to go there.
[02:29] <blayde> :)  np
[02:30] <blayde> i just want to start messing with it and seeding
[02:30] <hoonteke> :-) right there with you
[02:32] <hoonteke> alright, back to towrk for me
[02:33] <hoonteke> cheers, and thanks.
[02:38] <zsquareplusc> hm. with VirtualBox, the cd boots to such a small screen (800x600). is there something that can be done that larger resolutions are supported?
[02:40] <arand> zsquareplusc: I don't know except for installing virtualbox-ose-guest-utils.
[02:41] <zsquareplusc> but does that work well on the live cd? :/
[02:41] <arand> zsquareplusc: unfortunately, no :)
[02:41] <zsquareplusc> oh well..
[02:42] <arand> s/ :) / :( / (didn't mean to be sadistic there...
[02:42] <joshua__> how come my external HD disappears then comes back on occasion... it seems random
[02:42] <zsquareplusc> and the bootable USB stick does not seem to work on the eeepc 700
[02:44] <zsquareplusc> oh now it shows the animation. but it looked like frozen at the white on black ubuntu logo at first
[02:45] <arand> zsquareplusc: yea, when I tested unr a while ago it took quite a while as well (or maybe it just refused to bot at all in the end)...
[02:46] <zsquareplusc> i have a desktop now, but it took long.  in virtual box it booted in just seconds
[02:46] <zsquareplusc> i'm not sure if UNR would work. it does not have an atom in mine
[02:47]  * zsquareplusc does not like to slow fading-in of the menus - gives the impression of slowness
[02:48] <joshua__> I like the software center so far...
[02:53] <zsquareplusc> ubuntu one works with a launchpad account? but what if $USER!=launchpad ID
[02:53] <blakamin> use either
[02:54] <rww> zsquareplusc: I'm not sure what you mean, but my computer username doesn't equal my launchpad ID, and I didn't have problems with it
[02:54] <blakamin> sorry, you can tell one what account to use
[02:55] <zsquareplusc> i can? the webpage it opened just had a big form that allows entering a password but no username
[02:55] <zsquareplusc> ah.. forget it, i see now
[03:01] <nick125> Just curious....is usplash still going to be used in say...server installations where having X installed isn't a good idea?
[03:02] <zsquareplusc> ok, entering the password has worked it displayed my nickname. it now shows a page when i can choose "sign in", "Not now". when i press "sign in" the same page is just loaded gain :/
[03:03] <blakamin> nick125, why would you want usplash if you're not running x?
[03:04] <nick125> blakamin: Good point.
[03:04] <blakamin> lol
[03:10] <zsquareplusc> ok, login into one in the web browser now succeeded but the client still does not connect, but how should he know who i am anyway?
[03:12] <blakamin> are you allowing it keyring access?
[03:12] <nick125> Hmm....with Grub2, how do you limit the number of kernel entries in the grub menu?
[03:13] <blakamin> zsquareplusc: I *think* it takes the cookies from your browser, but dont quote me on that... been weeks since I installed it and have turned it off due to it bugging me on each boot to unlock keyring
[03:14] <zsquareplusc> according to the docs i need to "add this computer" but i don't see that on the web page. but i'm trying it on the live cd in a virtual box :/
[03:15] <blakamin> that might be the reason, it's not going to save any info on a live session
[03:16] <coaxmt> so, is the sound preferences different in karmic? It seems to be a new interface, and no longer has the ability to select ALSA, pulse, etc. I don't know if thats karmic, or just something weird on my system (this installation was an upgrade, since I don't feel like doing a clean one till the release)
[03:17] <ChogyDan> anyone using bootchart?  its results look borked
 it's a real pain if you cant get sound in games!!!
 thats because it keeps running until all your apps from last session are loaded unlike before when it stopped at the start of x (or login or whatever)
[03:20] <test34> my fresh beta install seem to work alot better
[03:21] <test34> then my updated alpha
[03:22] <test34> dmesg
[03:22] <test34> oop
[03:22] <coaxmt> mine is upgraded from an already kinda broken 9.04 =P. I have a working jaunty install on my laptop though, I use thing computer mostly to game on windows anyway.
[03:23] <blakamin> i'll be waiting for the RC before a fresh install
[03:23] <ripps> my perl-modules package was corrupted, did anybody else get this during upgrade?
[03:23] <throughn1thing> Hey all, im trying to making a bootable install USB stick for karmic beta, I have a 2gb usb stick that i put 1 big vfat partition on and I have run syslinux on that partition.  I am reading this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick and I cannot determine if i need to rename the isolinux directory to syslinux, or leave it as isolinux...does anyone know (this directory as well as all other content
[03:23] <coaxmt> me to
[03:24] <coaxmt> me too*. For the fresh install
[03:25] <housetier> when updating the package list I get this error message: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2985/wastun.png  has the key changed for de.archive.ubuntu.com? I have been using this mirror for a long time now, never saw this message before
[03:25] <test34> blakamin, what did you recommend earlier for flash64bit? I lost the log
[03:26] <blakamin> the one from adobe, not the repo... there's a beta... I've rebooted 3 times since then and I cant remember either... lol, sorry
[03:27] <blakamin> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[03:28] <test34> it looks like the same version is in the repository
[03:29] <blakamin> they might have updated the repo... kewl!
[03:29] <test34> ah good, I thought there was another reason not to do it
[03:29] <throughn1thing> has anyone installed karmic from a USB stick?
[03:30] <mercutio22> uh oh, I might have to...
[03:30] <blakamin> I had so many dramas with flash and debs on 64, I went back to i386 fresh install with alpha6 , (separate home partition)
[03:31] <test34> blakamin, yeah that is one of the reasons I was back on i386.. but I'm giving it another try
[03:31] <mercutio22> I just upgraded in my netbook, did a partial upgrade, now the the boot stops at a blank screen. How can I access recovery mode? I mean, I barely see the grub because it goes so fast
[03:31] <coaxmt> I tend to use the 32 bit version of flash that is installed with flashplugin-installed. The 64 bit version kept crashing, when I used it, and the 32 bit worked
[03:31] <blakamin> test34, good luck!
[03:31] <test34> it seems to work fine so far
[03:31] <test34> youtube at least
[03:32] <coaxmt> maybe there is a newer version. Did you say beta? it was alpha when I used it
[03:32] <test34> nevermind, I guess I can't adjust the sound volume
[03:32] <blakamin> yeah, mine always did until I found a random deb somewhere i wanted to install... *grrr
[03:32] <housetier> I have had good experience with the 64bit flash from adobe
[03:33] <xnok> Anyone have issues with the nvidia driver package 185 on karmic?
[03:33] <dtchen> xnok: more specifically?
[03:33] <nemo> hm. yep. all my totem visuals aren't playing
[03:33] <test34> xnok, not so far
[03:33] <nemo> apart from that little speck of colour at top of screen
[03:33] <housetier> xnok I don't have more or less issues than with 190
[03:34] <wastrel> hay duds
[03:34] <xnok> I can't get the keyboard and mouse to work -- no echo on the terminal, but it seems to interpret the commands.
[03:35] <nemo> maybe if I switch to totem-xine...
[03:35] <blakamin> I'm running 185 and it's using all my settings from jaunty without even installing compiz fusion manager... lol
[03:36] <test34> housetier, 190 download from nvidia ?
[03:36] <nemo> anything waved over the black area fails to repaint, which I guess is 'cause it thinks stuff is being drawn there
[03:36] <xnok> I did do a dist-upgrade as opposed to a clean install from a fully functional jaunty,
[03:36] <housetier> test34, no from some ppa
[03:36] <durt> hey folks, anyone know if apt-get does _not_ get you to latest karmic? do you ever have to re-install or use update-manager to upgrade from alpha to alpha or alpha to beta during the devel cycle?
[03:37] <housetier> test34, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[03:37] <dtchen> durt: apt-get does. no need to reinstall.
[03:37] <test34> thanks housetier
[03:37] <ChogyDan> durt: make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed
[03:37] <xnok> I will checkout 190 to see if it has my hardware  -- as well as the launchpad link. Thanks.
[03:37] <durt> dtchen, do you have any link to policy or blueprint?
[03:38] <housetier> so you guys don't know anything about key/signature changes on de.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:38] <dtchen> durt: for dist-upgrading? no, unless you're referring to something specific to update-manager
[03:40] <durt> dtchen, my understanding is that dist-upgrade won't install new software hence the need for update-manager, do the devs ever need to use UM during the dev cycel?
[03:40] <durt> cycle*
[03:40] <dtchen> durt: i use apt-get all the time
[03:41] <durt> dtchen, me too, but I'm looking for policy...
[03:41] <webbb82> i just installed karmic and whn i went to download and install droopbox the installer fails and says bad descriptor
[03:41] <dtchen> durt: well, the recommended method is update-manager, yes.
[03:41] <maco> durt: the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade WILL install new packages and remove obsolete ones
[03:41] <webbb82> how do i install from the terminal
[03:41] <maco> durt: update-manger, however, has extra "hints" on how to handle interesting combinations of software
[03:42] <maco> also, "do-release-upgrade" uses those hints just like update-manager does for new version releases
[03:42] <durt> maco, understood, is there a policy/blueprint for its use during the devel cycle, during alpha/beta?
[03:43] <dtchen> durt: no, there is no policy or blueprint for that use
[03:43] <blakamin> webbb82:  It's a bug being fixed  in terminal "sudo dpkg -i <deb name here>"
[03:43] <webbb82> blakamin, thanks
[03:43] <blakamin> no worries
[03:43] <durt> dtchen, meaning it's not used or it can be if the devs wish?
[03:44] <dtchen> durt: it can be used
[03:44] <webbb82> blakamin, does it have to be the exact name as in nautilus-dropbox_0.6.1_i386_ubuntu_9.04.deb
[03:44] <blakamin> yup... where did you save it?
[03:45] <webbb82> home
[03:45] <durt> dtchen, is there a communication method in place to tell testers to use UM not apt-get dist-upgade if the need arises?
[03:45] <blakamin> cd /home/<username>/
[03:45] <blakamin> then
[03:45] <blakamin> sudo dpkg -i nautilus-dropbox_0.6.1_i386_ubuntu_9.04.deb
[03:46] <blakamin> or cd ~/
[03:47] <webbb82> its under downloads sorry
[03:47] <idyle> Hi! I'm on karmic and I want to go to the beta -- is this seamless? Just apt-get upgrade?
[03:48] <blakamin> cd ~/Downloads
[03:48] <blakamin> dont forget capital "D"
[03:48] <blakamin> idyle: when did you last update?
[03:48] <idyle> blakamin: today
[03:48] <webbb82> thats what i did wrong
[03:48] <blakamin> you have it then
[03:49] <webbb82> why the ~
[03:49] <idyle> blakamin: woo thanks!
[03:49] <cdm10> is it just me, or does the beta torrent not run?
[03:49] <idyle> webbb82: ~ = /home/you
[03:49] <blakamin> webbb82: tells it to start at /home/<username>/
[03:49] <webbb82> ok
[03:49] <blakamin> yup
[03:50] <blakamin> cdm10: beta torrent having probs... get from net at http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[03:50] <ripps> !beta
[03:50] <cdm10> blakamin: k, I'll be sure to seed later
[03:51] <webbb82> is there a good web site with all the good commands like apt-gets and such
[03:51] <rww> !terminal
[03:51] <blakamin> yup... give me a second
[03:51] <blakamin> ^^^^ that one :D
[03:51] <cdm10> blakamin: MIT media lab seems to have it, can I download from there? It's closer.
[03:52] <rww> cdm10: yes, any mirror can be used
[03:52] <alokito> I installed gdm and the restart and shutdown options are gone from kubuntu desktop
[03:52] <alokito> how to fix this?
[03:52] <cdm10> rww: just making sure there wasn't some problem with synced-up-ness.
[03:52] <cdm10> ...er, synchronization.
[03:52] <blakamin> yeah... just that utah was really quick earlier +10mbit
[03:52] <blakamin> people getting 1mb per sec
[03:52] <cdm10> i'm saturating 20mbit on media lab
[03:53] <blakamin> kewl!
[03:53] <cdm10> has anyone looked at somehow having ubuntu updates use non-default servers?
[03:53] <cdm10> i mean, we have all these mirrors, but systems still pull down updates from the same swamped servers by default
[03:54] <cdm10> it seems like there should be a better way to do it...
[03:54] <blakamin> you can change your sources, but this normally only happens during beta, RC and final releases
[03:54] <cdm10> well, i'm thinking of final releases
[03:55] <cdm10> i mean, a power user has no problem figuring out the problem and picking a mirror
[03:55] <cdm10> but final releases tend to be things that everyone downloads, and they're slow for EVERYBODY>
[03:55] <blakamin> you could get them from NZ sources if you want... decent connection and bugger all people get it here because it's the middle of the next night when it's released ;P
[03:56] <housetier> only de.archive.ubuntu.com seems to yield that error message (well I only tried de.archive.u.c and archive.u.c)
[03:57] <cdm10> I'm not saying that I have a problem getting releases, just that it might benefit less computer-literate users to have some sort of automatic mirror selection
[03:57] <blakamin> alokito: not sure about kubuntu, but you can add it on the panel by right click & choose Add to Panel :"shut down" button.
[03:57] <blakamin> in gnome
[03:57] <alokito> blakamin, nope its fine in gnome
[03:58] <blakamin> hmmm
[03:58] <alokito> gdm1 didn't have this problem in kde
[03:58] <blakamin> cdm10, true, it would be nice if it auto-switched mirrors
[03:59] <blakamin> brb, ciggie time
[04:06] <DanaG> handy hint: colleges and such often have big, fat pipes.  =þ
[04:13] <micahg> can I upgrade to karmic from a mirror?
[04:14] <micahg> and can I cancel an upgrade while it's downloading?
[04:14] <blakamin> if you cancel before it starts installing
[04:14] <micahg> ok
[04:14] <micahg> what about my first question?
[04:15] <blakamin> yup
[04:15] <micahg> ok
[04:15] <test34> 1st: yes
[04:15] <micahg> thanks
[04:15] <micahg> that'll speed things up :)
[04:15] <test34> depends which mirror you are using
[04:16] <blakamin> what was that one before, test34?
[04:16] <test34> utah.. now it might become slowe
[04:16] <test34> slower
[04:17] <blakamin> true, now that we told people! ;D
[04:17] <test34> yep
[04:19] <micahg1> that's better from 50k/s to 400k/s
[04:28] <meme> no me quiere iniciar el modo grafico en la beta
[04:28] <meme> :s
[04:31] <meme> i have the karmic beta, and the x don´t start, only text mode. sorry about my english :S
[04:32] <pablo__> ok
[04:33] <pablo__> the last question.... I like to start ubuntu with compiz ... but i have to starting from compiz fusion icon because compiz didn't start by default... how can configure that?
[04:35] <jbroome> are the two desktop torrents throwing a ""Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."]" error to others?
[04:46] <meme> come on threres no one to help here
[04:47] <akio> ?
[04:47] <cdm10> has anyone had problems with Karmic refusing to reboot from the livecd?
[04:48] <blakamin> meme, people will only help if they know the answer... if they don't, they stay quiet...
[04:48] <akio> meme, what do you need help with?
[04:48] <cdm10> or rather, after an install from the livecd
[04:48]  * blakamin is quiet
[04:48] <om26er> can any1 plz confirm this if all the sounds are disabled then pressing backspace in the terminal gives a bip sound does any1 get it
[04:49] <cdm10> i'm testing it in a VirtualBox machine, so I'm not sure if it has to do with that or not... don't particularly feel like running the installer on any of my real machines :)
[04:49] <om26er> cdm10: i have it
[04:49] <akio> om26er, rephrase your question
[04:49] <om26er> akio: disable all sounds and then press backspace in the terminal is there a bip sound or not
[04:49] <mozicodo> akio: I think he's talking about the PC speaker beep. I'm not getting it.
[04:50] <om26er> even after disabling all i am getting that annoying sound
[04:50] <akio> disable sounds in system>preferences>sound?
[04:50] <om26er> akio: yes
[04:50] <akio> sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[04:51] <cdm10> rrrgh. does anyone here use an alternate keyboard layout?
[04:51] <om26er> akio: will i get audio playback
[04:51] <akio> and then add "blacklist pcspkr" to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[04:52] <akio> the pcspkr module is all that is making that sound
[04:52] <meme> akio i install some updates and i restart and nothig happen
[04:52] <akio> you can play all sorts of music
[04:52] <om26er> akio: thank you
[04:52] <akio> meme, what are you talking about?
[04:53] <meme> sorry for my english im from el salvador
[04:55] <meme> i update karmic and restart my computer but the gui dont start only text mode
[04:55] <akio> no problem
[04:55] <akio> How are you chatting in irc?
[04:55] <mx> me ? fine
[04:55] <mx> just wanted to give my opinions about karmic
[04:56] <meme> its other computer
[04:56] <blakamin> mx, akio was talking to meme
[04:58] <cdm10> anyone have any thoughts about the Karmic background?
[04:58] <blakamin> lol... no comment
[04:58] <cdm10> blakamin: that to me?
[04:58] <mx> background ? who cares ? i use blank one
[04:58] <blakamin> it's not *that* bad
[04:59] <blakamin> cdm10, yup
[04:59] <cdm10> i mean, i know i can change anything to whatever i want
[04:59] <cdm10> but I also want it to look nice so that people don't go "wtf" when they try it out.
[04:59] <cdm10> and somehow, every theme update they've done for this release is just... bleh.
[05:00] <nhasian> cdm10, i dunno, i like the brown theme.  but I admit it would be nice to have a couple different default themes to choose from.
[05:00] <mx> by the way : hello everyone
[05:00] <blakamin> I think there has definitely been nicer wallpapers in the past, but we haven't reached final yet
[05:00] <blakamin> hi mx
[05:00] <cdm10> hasn't it been artwork freeze?
[05:01] <blakamin> there is still some ongoing drama about it so the freeze might be temporary
[05:01] <cdm10> nhasian: the background is for some reason very orange, while the theme has gone very gray.
[05:01] <akio> meme, I would do another "sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude -y safe-upgrade;sudo aptitude -y reinstall gnome-desktop-environment gdm - but that is overkill
[05:02] <blakamin> I said if the wallpaper had some moths around it, it would remind me to turn off the porch light at night
[05:02] <meme> akio ok i try thanks
[05:02] <cdm10> meme: i mean... you're running a prerelease... stuff breaks. If you're using it on your production system, I hope you know how to get your files off and reinstall if need be.
[05:03] <akio> its all about learning how to fix things that break
[05:03] <nhasian> cdm10, well i guess half the fun of using linux is creating your own unique desktop theme.  wallpapers, screenlets, docks, etc
[05:03] <cdm10> nhasian: not for grandmas and the like
[05:03] <meme> dont worry i know how i install in a different partition
[05:04] <cdm10> akio: that's true -- but personally, I'm going to run a clean install when it's out.
[05:04] <akio> That may be easier but I know the parts that break.
[05:05] <mx> about pulseaudio and devicekit : nobody has any problem with them ?
[05:06] <akio> I'm sure someone has an issue with every package
[05:07] <nhasian> cdm10, well my mom (who is a grandma) changes the wallpaper herself
[05:07] <cdm10> better than the ones I know :)
[05:07] <akio> my mother has been using ubuntu for over 4 years
[05:08] <akio> she always complains about her windows machine
[05:08] <nhasian> akio, holy cow!  she's more l33t than me.
[05:08] <cdm10> I got my family to buy a Mac. No more cdm10-the-tech-support-guy
[05:08] <akio> not really, she says things like "please send him to the email"
[05:09] <nhasian> akio, only 1.5 years for me, and 1 year for my mom.  she's gonna love karmic.  she's been bugging me to be able to do video conferencing with her friends
[05:09] <akio> well good luck because iChat beats it with a stick
[05:09] <mx> pulseaudio makes some pops or clicks on my headphones (when pulseaudio is called ?) ; some sub process of devicekit keeps complaining about my front media module (SD card, MMC, ...) and keeps feeding my logs every seconds, got to kill it once per boot
[05:10] <akio> what log?
[05:10] <mx> /var/log/syslog
[05:10] <akio> that can't be good
[05:10] <mx> kernel	[76404.403887] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: Logical unit not supported
[05:11] <mx> this is the kind of messages that it produces
[05:11] <akio> have you consulted the oracle for at least 10 minutes?
[05:11] <mx> :)
[05:12] <mx> no cause it's proprietary ware
[05:13] <brian> why cant i find xfce in synaptic
[05:14] <akio> because its hiding behind the couch
[05:14] <dtchen> because there is no 'xfce' package
[05:14] <mx> xfce4 ?
[05:14] <akio> yes, the couch
[05:14] <dtchen> or xubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <akio> aptitude search desktop
[05:15] <akio> ask it nicely and it will come out from behind the couch
[05:15] <brian> i want to i nstall xfce would that be xubuntu desktop
[05:15] <akio> yep
[05:15] <akio> you will then have to switch your session in GDM
[05:16] <mx> nobody use KDE here ?
[05:17] <brian> willl xubutnu desktop install the new version of xfce
[05:17] <mx> i hope for you
[05:17] <akio> it will install the version that you install?
[05:17] <om26er> brian: yes
[05:17] <akio> the one that is available?
[05:18] <akio> from what i can tell there is no xfce-desktop
[05:18] <pushrax> hi all.   Is anyone else got problems with video codecs not displaying video images?
[05:18] <akio> only xfce
[05:19] <akio> i mean xfce4
[05:19] <om26er> pushrax: i don't
[05:19] <pushrax> hmmm
[05:19] <akio> xfce4 in the repos is version <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:19] <mx> pushrax: what software do you use
[05:20] <pushrax> I think it's got something to do with ffmpeg
[05:20] <om26er> pushrax: have you install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:20] <pushrax> mx: dragon player most, but also in kaffine and vlc
[05:21] <om26er> pushrax: then your video file is corrupted or if u downloaded a torrents its fake
[05:21] <pushrax> only onyl can play mpeg from hdtv recording.   all other videos like divx,avi etc only play sound and I've tried both ffmpeg sets, both ubuntut build and unstripped
[05:21] <mx> tried mplayer ?
[05:22] <pushrax> narr its the codec. all video files wont play
[05:22] <pushrax> testing now...
[05:22] <om26er> pushrax: also try totem
[05:22] <mx> libavcodec52 ?
[05:23] <pushrax> om26er: I get video in broser too so totem works there...
[05:23] <mx> maybe mplayer on the command line would give you some error messages
[05:24] <offwithx11> anyone know how to stop x11 from starting automatically in ubuntu 9.10?
[05:24] <mx> runlevel 3
[05:24] <offwithx11> mx: is that the command?
[05:24] <mx> no it's not
[05:25] <mx> linux changed quite a lot since 1996 when I started linux for the first time :)
[05:25] <offwithx11> mx: is there a file to edit somewhere where i can change the 1 to 0?
[05:25] <om26er> offwithx11: you are funny
[05:25] <mx> udpate-rc -f (kdm or gdm) remove
[05:25] <offwithx11> om26er: :)
[05:26] <mx> update-rc.d
[05:26] <offwithx11> mx: i don't want to remove it, just stop from starting
[05:26] <offwithx11> mx: /etc/update-rc.d file?
[05:26] <mx> it won't remove kdm or gdm, it will just prevent it from starting on boot
[05:26] <mx> /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
[05:27] <offwithx11> mx: and if i have fluxbox, do i add that too? (don't know if fluxbox uses xdm)
[05:27] <akio> i use sysv-rc-conf
[05:27] <pushrax> mplayer works from command line but wont play if I use the KDE4 method
[05:27] <mx> there may be some more ellegant way to do it
[05:27] <akio> ^^
[05:27] <mx> i dunno if you can start fluxbox just by typing startfluxbox
[05:27] <om26er> pushrax: how about UBUNTU not K
[05:27] <offwithx11> mx: i was wanting to edit a file so i could backup the file and replace it at any time; esp since karmic is unstable
[05:28] <mx> I haven't used fluxbox since a long time
[05:28] <pushrax> om26er: tried both and both don't work.
[05:28] <wastrel> protractors
[05:28] <mx> brb
[05:29] <pushrax> can I paste a small console readout?
[05:29] <om26er> pushrax: what is the type of file?
[05:29] <pushrax> [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[05:29] <pushrax> open: No such file or directory
[05:29] <pushrax> [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[05:29] <pushrax> [VO_TDFXFB] Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory.
[05:29] <pushrax> [VO_3DFX] Unable to open /dev/3dfx.
[05:29] <akio> pushrax, no, you will be kicked
[05:29] <pushrax> Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:29] <offwithx11> anyone: what about editing the /etc/default-display-manager file?
[05:29] <pushrax> [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1
[05:29] <pushrax> thats the error from mplayer but it still playered the file ok from the command line
[05:29] <akio> use pastebin
[05:29] <pushrax> what's pastebin?
[05:30] <offwithx11> !pastebin | pushrax
[05:30] <om26er> pushrax: u paste bug texts there
[05:30] <pushrax> k
[05:30] <om26er> pushrax: then give its link here
[05:30] <pushrax> k
[05:31] <offwithx11> om26er: you know anything about that file above?
[05:31] <pushrax> http://paste.ubuntu.com/283495/
[05:31] <om26er> offwithx11: not at all
[05:32] <om26er> pushrax: what is the size of the video file? can u see its thumbnail
[05:32] <akio> sounds like an nvidia issue
[05:32] <pushrax> om26er: thy're too big for thumbs, and I usually only have in list mode
[05:32] <om26er> pushrax: have you updated yesterday
[05:33] <pushrax> I removed the nvidia drivers and 3dfx, etc.  I have a radeon x3870hd
[05:33] <pushrax> got fglrx drivers running
[05:34] <pushrax> so it's strange that it's relyign on drivers I dont need.  if these errors are even related to not seeing imagry for videos
[05:34] <om26er> pushrax: have you tried jaunty(9.04)
[05:34] <pushrax> om26er: yep totally update.
[05:34] <pushrax> om26er: narr not want to use karmic
[05:35] <om26er> pushrax: ok
[05:36] <om26er> pushrax: there is a command which tells that if u have the codecs required to play the file and i don't remember it
[05:36] <om26er> any1 here knows that command???
[05:37] <akio> yeah, its called mplayer
[05:37] <om26er> pushrax: your video files are 720p or 1080p or less?
[05:37] <akio> pushrax, are you using karmic?
[05:37] <pushrax> om26er: I have ffmpeg installed so it should play something.  Also this is onyl a recent problems, like for the last week or so.  I haven't worried about it too much as I though a patch would correct it
[05:38] <pushrax> akio: yep karmic with all patches.  using dist-update
[05:38] <om26er> pushrax: have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:38] <DKcross> akgraner,
[05:38] <om26er> pushrax: if not try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:39] <pushrax> om26er: nope as it wants to install icedtea when I prefer sun java.
[05:39] <pushrax> om26er: noting I have allt he essentials installed though
[05:39] <nhasian> wait doesnt ubuntu-restricted-extras install sun's java?  I remember having to agree to the license agreement.
[05:40] <om26er> pushrax: install ubuntu-restricted-extras and your files will play
[05:41] <pushrax> >> [ 1624.992888] dragon[4152]: segfault at 90 ip 00007fdfaabefc89 sp 00007fdf9f623ee0 error 6 in xineplug_decode_ff.so[7fdfaabea000+a000]
[05:42] <mx> i don't have ubuntu-restricted-extras and i play every file i want :)
[05:42] <om26er> pushrax: now i suggest download beta and install again?
[05:43] <om26er> pushrax: my segmentation fault with empathy never gone until i reinstalled
[05:43] <pushrax> om26er: yeah I thought that maybe the solution but wanted to ask here if it was a common problems, which it seems not to be
[05:43] <om26er> pushrax: wait
[05:45] <om26er> pushrax: can you try this sudo apt-get remove libindicate*
[05:45] <kuttans> what is the meaning of the message org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply"
[05:45] <pushrax> yep
[05:47] <om26er> pushrax: what does it say
[05:47] <om26er> pushrax: libindicate was causing segmentation fault in empathy
[05:48] <akio> I use gnumeric at work and it was segfaulting for the longest time
[05:48] <akio> fixed now
[05:48] <pushrax> it wants to remove those and pigeon
[05:48] <mx> kuttans: what is the problem ?
[05:49] <om26er> pushrax: not do that and have you installed pidgin yourself?
[05:50] <kuttans> when i tried to open kmail from the command line it was saying  "<unknown program name>(5443)/: Communication problem with  "kmail" , it probably crashed. Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)"
[05:50] <om26er> akio: can you tell me a bit about gnumeric. i hate openoffice cuz i dont need it but how is gnumeric will it open .xml files?
[05:50] <kuttans> and the syslog showing a segfault
[05:50] <kuttans> and one problem in kernal logs too
[05:50] <mx> what version of kmail ?
[05:51] <kuttans> the latest one
[05:51] <kuttans> 4.3 i guess
[05:52] <kuttans> 1.12.1 is the version of kmail mx
[05:56] <mx> kuttans: got the same error
[05:56] <pushrax> om26er: yep I installed pidgin myself.  I did that command you said but tit's had no effect on playing movies.  I am now putting back in those items that were removed in the command
[05:56] <kuttans> mx: is there any solution for that
[05:57] <om26er> pushrax: you really need a new installation
[05:58] <pushrax> om26er: ok thanks for help.  I may wait for next kernel or fglrx drivers to see if that fixes.
[05:58] <pushrax> cheers.
[06:02] <hifi> mm, should I upgrade my work desktop to karmic beta or not
[06:03] <hifi> it should be fun!
[06:04] <mx> kuttans: does kmail crashes ?
[06:04] <mx> kuttans: mine doesn't
[06:04] <kuttans> mx: mine is not opening at all, now i lost all my mails, there were around more than 500 mails
[06:05] <kuttans> mx: and now there is no help available anywhere in kubuntu, or ubuntu or ubuntu 1
[06:05] <kuttans> and now im not even able to transfer my mails to thunderbird as the mail box format is different from kmail and thunderbird
[06:06] <kuttans> and no one is there to help with this............ and i feel that is really bad
[06:07] <mx> kuttans: what do you have in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/    ?
[06:10] <mx> kuttans: there are some converters between different mail formats
[06:11] <aprilhare> hey
[06:11] <aprilhare> "VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE)."
[06:12] <aprilhare> i don't know what the deal with this kernel is but it apparently broke support for my webcam too
[06:13] <eagles0513875> ouchie aprilhare
[06:13] <kuttans>  mx: im having a file named last search in that folder
[06:13] <eagles0513875> !kvm | aprilhare
[06:14] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: seems like you have a conflicting virtualization kernel
[06:14] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: yes. i was using 2.6.30 kernel under jaunty too so it apparently is just karmic
[06:14] <eagles0513875> give me a min to update my repos and i will install vbox as well and see if i have that issue with 31-11 kernel
[06:14] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: ok no worries
[06:15] <eagles0513875> that in all honesty is strange i have gotten vbox to work with the 2.6.30
[06:16] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: as did I under jaunty.
[06:16] <eagles0513875> what version of vbox do you have installed
[06:17] <eagles0513875> what the flip
[06:17] <eagles0513875> !info vbox
[06:17] <virtuald> rmmod kvm_intel kvm_amd kvm
[06:17] <eagles0513875> !info vbox3
[06:17] <aprilhare> !info virtualbox
[06:17] <aprilhare> hmmm
[06:17] <aprilhare> guess the package name
[06:17] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: i agree with what virtuald said rmmod kvm_intell kvm_amd and kvm modules
[06:17] <mx> kuttans: tar -zcvf ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search.tar.gz ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/
[06:18] <aprilhare> !virtualbox-ose
[06:18] <aprilhare> !info virtualbox-ose
[06:18] <eagles0513875> !info virtualbox-ose
[06:18] <arejc> hi all. has anyone been able to install jaunty from an external usb cdrom drive? mine boots initrd but then fails to find the cdrom
[06:18] <mx> kuttans: then rm -fvr ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/
[06:19] <eagles0513875> arejc: please go to either ubuntu or kubuntu channels this channel is for 9.10 support
[06:19] <mx> kuttans: tar makes a backup copy of the folder before removing it with the rm command
[06:20] <mx> there may be some bugs in Qt used by Kmai
[06:20] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: let me know if rmmod kvm_intel kvm_amd kvm does the trick for you. it removes the modules from kvm for you
[06:20] <arejc> eagles0513875, sorry wrong name, im actually using ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[06:20] <kuttans> mx: what about the other folder in the kmail. i heard that kmail uses mbox format and thunderbird uses mailbox format
[06:20] <eagles0513875> arejc: ahh then you have come to the right place. i know it works in previous versions but havent tried with karmic
[06:20] <eagles0513875> !usb | arejc
[06:21] <mx> kuttans: isn't it the contrary ? kmail uses maildir and thunderbird uses mbox ?
[06:21] <eagles0513875> arejc: the first link you would like to take a look at at getting one setup as a bootable usb :)
[06:21] <arejc> eagles0513875, not a flash drive, but a cd rom. it worked fine in 9.04
[06:22] <eagles0513875> ahhh arejc apologies read that wrong
[06:22]  * eagles0513875 goes to get some coffee
[06:22] <kuttans> mx: yeah im sorry its the contrary
[06:22] <mx> kuttans: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/429039
[06:22] <arejc> eagles0513875, no worries
[06:22] <mx> ubottu: yeah that's what i also found
[06:23] <eagles0513875> hes just telling u what the bug is about mx
[06:24] <kuttans> mx: wow man it just worked
[06:24] <mx> seems like a Qt bug, they released a new version today so perhaps it'll be corrected with the new release
[06:25] <kuttans> mx: i just deleted the search thing an dit worked
[06:25] <mx> now backup all your mails
[06:25] <kuttans> mx: by the way mx why there are very less upgrades and dist-upgrades recently in karmic
[06:26] <BaD_CrC> epiphany-webkit :D
[06:26] <BaD_CrC> wrong window :)
[06:26] <mx> kuttans: freezing stage
[06:26] <kuttans> oh ok
[06:27] <kuttans> mx: well i think i need to learn a lot in linux, think i have to spend more time with my lappy than on tv
[06:29] <habanany> i burnt the iso image (karmic) , now what?
[06:29] <darthanubis> ppl still watch teevee?
[06:29] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: how do i add em back if necessary?
[06:30] <darthanubis> habanany, follow the instructions on the website
[06:30] <habanany> I burnt the iso image (karmic) what come next?
[06:30] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: modproble will load them and their dependencies back
[06:30] <darthanubis> and don't repeat your question within a minute
[06:30] <habanany> ok
[06:31] <habanany> is it bad luck to repeat question?
[06:31] <darthanubis> it's poor manners
[06:31] <mx> we're not paid
[06:31] <darthanubis> !repeat
[06:31] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: loaded
[06:32] <habanany> ok
[06:32] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: meaning loaded back into the running kernel
[06:32] <DasEi> habanany: boot it, check media for defects
[06:32] <habanany> i just did not see my question coming through
[06:33] <darthanubis> no worries then
[06:33] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: meaning: i ran rmmod kvm_intel kvm_amd kvm ; ran vbox; it works :)
[06:33] <mx> habanany: chek your irc client, you can highlight your comments if it has the feature for
[06:33] <eagles0513875> those modules were taken out of the running kernel that means aprilhare
[06:33] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: would love to stay and chat but i ahve lectures to run 2
[06:33] <aprilhare> off you go
[06:34] <mx> what's the difference between a regular user and a nerd ? the nerd RTFM  :)
[06:34] <habanany> thanks mx
[06:34] <aprilhare> reading manuals makes brain hurt
[06:34] <mx> :)
[06:35] <mx> i knew a blind guy who read almost every man pages a few years ago
[06:37] <DasEi> mx: manual as in using your hands (braille), nor ? heh
[06:37] <mx> DasEi: manuals as : man man
[06:38] <mx> $ man man
[06:38] <DasEi> man manual-auto, k I stop that
[06:38] <aprilhare> you can get playboy magazine in braille, you can get man pages in braille. makes sense
[06:38] <mx> can you watch video in braille ?
[06:38] <DasEi> yes, by using braille-glasses
[06:39] <mx> :)
[06:39] <aprilhare> mx: playboy magazine has articles you know
[06:39] <aprilhare> arthur c clarke published in playboy if memory serves
[06:40] <aprilhare> "Bets between physicists are not unusual. Stephen Hawking and Kip Thorne, for instance, had a famous bet about the existence of black holes, with the winner receiving a subscription to the magazine of their choice - Playboy for Thorne and Private Eye for Hawking."
[06:40] <aprilhare> guess who won
[06:40] <mx> and the winner is : Albert Einstein
[06:40] <aprilhare> i wonder what mag old einstein would have plumped for
[06:41] <aprilhare> assuming someone bet him between 1945-1955
[06:42] <aprilhare> this must be great reading for the logs :D
[06:42] <aprilhare> heh
[06:43] <mx> now they're trying to prove the existence inside quarks : chords
[06:45] <mx> and maybe after then we will go to other dimensions, just amazing
[06:45] <mx> just like in Sliders
[06:58] <habanany> hey i guess norton is interfering with karmic
[06:59] <habanany> wwubi does not open
[07:00] <vega-> hm, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing doesn't list "beta"
[07:00] <habanany> norton pyrun exe detected  and removed
[07:00] <habanany> help
[07:02] <hifi> hm, karmic human theme is a little strange
[07:02] <mysticdarkhack> hey all
[07:02] <hifi> the dark active window title bar doesn't seem to fit
[07:03] <mysticdarkhack> anyone notice that in compiz cube effect, mouse scroll button to switch isn't working or deactived?
[07:03] <mysticdarkhack> to switch desk
[07:05] <habanany> i disabled norton and problem resolved
[07:05] <mysticdarkhack> look like karmic server is slow
[07:06] <habanany> i thought guys you like help others
[07:06] <SandGorgon> i have a custom 2.6.31 kernel - pulled from latest git. I'm having trouble running wine+ia32-libs, which is crashing continuously. Do I need to rebuild ia32-libs for a different kernel
[07:07] <habanany> installing karmic (demo) i'm exited
[07:07] <mysticdarkhack> anyway, seem like not to many tech support in here
[07:07] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:08] <habanany> i know nothing about linux, but i will lern
[07:09] <mysticdarkhack> ant we all
[07:09] <mysticdarkhack> Been using linux for almst three or sao years now
[07:10] <habanany> today i knew what a repository and a checksum are.
[07:10] <mysticdarkhack> lol, basic is a good start
[07:11] <habanany> have to go , rebooting, see you later, thanks for the encourage mystic
[07:31] <MightyTweek> does anyone know what happened to System>Administration>Services?
[07:45] <ubuntu_> jejejeje
[07:45] <ubuntu_> nice
[07:45] <habanany> i like karmic
[07:49] <cousin_mario> hello
[07:50] <cousin_mario> how do I enable the shutdown/logout buttons in the menu?
[07:59] <HomerSlice> The latest  Ubuntu seems pretty cool, not sure if I'm sticking with empathy though
[07:59] <HomerSlice> As usual I'll give it a chance
[08:00] <HomerSlice> I'm not hot on the the default icon set, trying to change it
[08:00] <spstarr> Is there problems reading CDs/DVDs right now?
[08:00] <spstarr> its totally busted
[08:01] <HomerSlice> also missing some of the great pidgin plugins
[08:02] <draconis> where is the setup for xfce4-volumed, is there a way to change what channel the "volume keys" modify?
[08:02] <draconis> it's rather odd that the volume control on my headset is moving the volume of my (unused) internal sound card
[08:04] <spstarr> any CDs empty I get
[08:04] <spstarr> [60041.222939] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[08:04] <spstarr> [60041.222944] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[08:04] <spstarr> [
[08:04] <spstarr> and any burnt DVDs it just doesn't mount them
[08:04]  * spstarr tries manually
[08:05] <kruykaze> hi everyone
[08:06] <kruykaze> i just installed karmic and can't setup manual ip
[08:06] <kruykaze> can you help me?
[08:15] <nicolacardinali> kruykaze: try to remove network manager and install wicd, for me is better
[08:15] <MightyTweek> kruykaze, right-click the network icon in the panel, select "edit connections", select your adapter, click edit, select the ipv4 settings tab, change method to manual and fill int he info
[08:22] <kruykaze> nicolacardinali, wicd ? is that in the repos?
[08:29] <HowDoI> When using the Karmic Alpha 6 LiveCD via USB thumb drive, my computer locks up immediately when the Gnome desktop starts to become visible.  I have Intel 82945G integrated graphics, which have been problematic since Jaunty, and I can't find any reports of similar behavior.  Any advice?
[08:54] <Amaranth> HowDoI: try again with the beta
[08:54] <habanany> have a question, is it dinamic static the right one of the download skype?
[08:55] <paolob>  Hi guys! I'm trying to upgrade to karmic, but after showing the disclaimer about the beta, update-manager stops saying "Authentication failed. Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server." What should I do?
[08:55] <HowDoI> Yeah, I figured that would be the response
[08:55] <habanany> I mean for karmic
[08:55] <paolob> The debug information I see in the terminal is "gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:56] <hifi> paolob: you might have a broken mirror
[08:56] <hifi> hehe, broken mirror
[08:56] <paolob> hifi, I'm using apt-cacher
[08:59] <amortvigil> hello, i find the beta more unstable than 9.10 alpha 6!
[08:59] <HowDoI> I hope not
[09:00] <HowDoI> Karmic Alpha 6 ran very well on my netbook, which also uses Intel integrated graphics
[09:00] <HowDoI> For some reason most of the components of my computer don't play well with Ubuntu.
[09:00] <amortvigil> HowDoI: when i installed on alpha6 no errors no crashes, beta has crashing programs every now and then
[09:01] <HowDoI> Hmm
[09:01] <amortvigil> HowDoI: do you know the netherlands?
[09:01] <HowDoI> No
[09:02] <amortvigil> ok, you nickname has a meaning in a southren dialect of the dutch language it means bye
[09:02] <amortvigil> lol
[09:02] <amortvigil> actually its houwdoe,
[09:02] <HowDoI> I did not know that
[09:02] <amortvigil> but you wrote it like english ppl pronnounce it
[09:02] <amortvigil> lol
[09:04] <stefg> I just have a testdrive of the netbook remix on my Acer Aspire One. The top panel is completely empty, none of the necessary gadgets is there. I wonder if this is just a sign that karmic is still a building site or if this qualifies as a reportable bug.
[09:05] <HowDoI> I've noticed a lot of things missing or moved around between versions of pre-release
[09:05] <HowDoI> They'll probably fix it
[09:06] <stefg> any other netbook-remix testers? is it the same for you?
[09:07] <HowDoI> I don't use netbook remix, but the regular Gnome version has similar things happen in the Alpha/Beta versions
[09:08] <frandieguez> Hi to all, I'm a member of Ubuntu Galician Translators and I'm testing Ubuntu Karmic beta on galician language (gl_ES) and after 2 weeks solving all the translation errors on alfa6 we can see that the ubiquity-slideshow isn't showed translated yet. What is the procedement for make Ubuntu integrate the translations made on launchpad on the final product release?
[09:08] <HowDoI> File a bug if you want, I guess, I dunno.  But unless something is actually broken or missing when it should be there, they will probably tell you they already know
[09:09] <stefg> frandieguez: i don't hink the slideshow translations are merged yet. On a german install the slideshow is still english, too
[09:10] <frandieguez> stefg, so I you can, I can file a bug that the translatoins isn't merged yet
[09:10] <frandieguez> just for remember the ubuntu-installer team that
[09:11] <stefg> frandieguez: according to the schedule the final merging of translations is done before Oct. 22nd. see the link in /topic
[09:11] <frandieguez> stefg ok thanks!
[09:11] <paolob> trying to update to karmic, I get an error when upgrading xserver-xorg: "invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "restart" failed." It seems that hal cannot be restarted. Any hint?
[09:12] <HowDoI> Anybody know just how much the pre-release versions of Ubuntu compare with the final release speed-wise?  Are the pre-release packages non-optimized?
[09:12] <stefg> paolob: http://www.piware.de/2008/05/hal-is-dead-long-live-devicekit/
[09:13] <stefg> paolob: karmic doesn't use hal
[09:13] <iflema> paolob: update from 9.04, earlier or 9.10alph
[09:13] <JMFTheVCI> Just updated with the overnight updated. On reboot I can login.  Anyone else seen this. A restart of GDM does not make any difference
[09:14] <HowDoI> JMFTheVCI, that sounds like a bug I read about
[09:14] <amortvigil> JMFTheVCI: have you rebooted?
[09:14] <paolob> stefg, iflema, ok, but how do I end my update to karmic? it seems that xserver-xorg still depends on hal
[09:14] <hifi> FYI my karmic beta works fine
[09:14] <iflema> paolob: which one did update from?
[09:15] <paolob> iflema, from 9.04
[09:15] <JMFTheVCI> HowDoI: I'll try another reboot rather than a gdm restart.
[09:15] <iflema> paolob: did you use backport and proposed repos?
[09:15] <HowDoI> Sometimes things require a hard power-cycle reboot to work again
[09:15] <iflema> paolob: or cd
[09:16] <paolob> iflema, I use backportsù+
[09:16] <paolob> should I remove them?
[09:16] <iflema> ah.....??????
[09:16] <HowDoI> When I had Intrepid on my netbook, sometimes the wireless would stop working until I completely powered it down and started up again
[09:17] <JMFTheVCI> HowDoI: I had the wireless thing yesterday on Jaunty.
[09:17] <stefg> paolob: breakage is to be expected. i think you got to boot to recovery and sort things out on the console. this might involve purging xserver-xorg and reinstalling it again
[09:17] <JMFTheVCI> HowDoI: Full reboot and all is well.
[09:17] <JMFTheVCI> Odd. Should we report this bug?
[09:18] <HowDoI> If you want, go for it, but I haven't experienced it since Jaunty
[09:18] <amortvigil> JMFTheVCI: told you so :P
[09:20] <paolob> stefg, I rebooted and I'm in recovery mode, but purging and reinstalling xserver-xorg didn't resolve
[09:20] <JMFTheVCI> amortvigil: Thing is I did do a reboot  after the updates. Shouldn't really take a second reboot should it. If newbies don't know about Alt-F1 to fix things they would be a bit miffed.
[09:20] <stefg> paolob: which package causes the trouble ?
[09:21] <paolob> stefg, xserver-xorg
[09:21] <iflema> paolob: firem bothup backport and propsed.. see how ya go. not exacly sure you can go back with ease
[09:21] <HowDoI> To be honest, I've never had an complete Ubuntu upgrade work properly.  I've always wiped everything and reinstalled from scratch
[09:22] <JMFTheVCI>  HowDoI: My upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty worked well. The Jaunty platform has been very stable on my Samsung NC10.
[09:22] <HowDoI> Well Jaunty was the first to support EXT4, so I had to wipe for that
[09:23] <JMFTheVCI> Even the upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic alpha 2 on my Thinkpad T61 went well. (Although it was not quite as stable as it is now. It wasn't bad though.)
[09:23] <JMFTheVCI> I have not gone EXT4.
[09:23] <JMFTheVCI> I cannot upgrade to ext4 in-place as I don't have a separate boot partition.
[09:23] <HowDoI> I haven't really seen any increase in performance with EXT4, but I'm not running any benchmarks
[09:24] <HowDoI> Jaunty in general was a huge let-down for me
[09:24] <JMFTheVCI> why?
[09:24] <HowDoI> Intel graphics
[09:25] <HowDoI> And because of their 6-month release schedule they only fix serious security problems with the usual updates
[09:25] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, you don't need /boot on a different partition for installing into ext4, I am not sure about upgrading
[09:25] <JMFTheVCI> Not the best of drivers. But my 1024x600 screen (Intel GM954) don't need to do a lot. Compiz is fine.
[09:26] <joaopinto> HowDoI, the the update policy is general, not specific to Jaunty
[09:26] <stefg> JMFTheVCI: it always depends on how many repos you use. If you strictly adhere to the default repos (no -backports no -proposed, no PPA's) then you have e clean upgrade path. But since for one reason or another you usually need backports and PPA you're spoiling the Upgrade and are better off to backup your stuff and reinstall
[09:26] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: everything I have read indicates that /boot should remain ext3. I do have grub2
[09:26] <HowDoI> Yeah, I know.  That's why Jaunty was a huge let-down for me, not Ubuntu in general
[09:26] <JMFTheVCI> I even have grub 2 on Jaunty.
[09:27] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, that is not true
[09:27] <JMFTheVCI> stefg: I have proposed and a select set of PPAs( mostly for my company related stuff - Lotus Notes 8.5 etc)
[09:28] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: OK. do you have some latest doc that indicates the upgrade-in-place instructions? I'll give it a go.
[09:28] <stefg> JMFTheVCI: i didn't say it won't work (esp. if you have no 3rd party repos for low-level stuff like xorg) it's just that you "void the warranty"
[09:28] <joaopinto> I had grub with a single ext4 partition, and now I have grub2 with a single ext4
[09:29] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, the upgrade in place does not introduce the performance benefits of a clean filesystem creation
[09:29] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: So not worth the hassel unless I clean install, yes?
[09:30] <joaopinto> right
[09:35] <joaopinto> I have noticed significant gains on performance when switching to ext4
[09:40] <micahg> when logging into karmic is there a place to turn off the user list?
[09:41] <joaopinto> I remember seeing some notes about gdm missing a configuration interface
[09:41] <HowDoI> You used to be able to do that in Jaunty
[09:41] <Amaranth> micahg: no
[09:41] <Amaranth> The only thing you can configure with the new gdm is autologin
[09:41] <micahg> do I just have to use another window manager then?
[09:41] <HowDoI> Oh wow
[09:42] <joaopinto> micahg, login manager, yes
[09:42] <HowDoI> Why do they keep removing features in Karmic?
[09:42] <HowDoI> If that's the case
[09:42] <Amaranth> HowDoI: It's an upstream change
[09:42] <micahg> does anyone know if xdm has the same issue?
[09:42] <Amaranth> We've been using a very old unmaintained version of gdm for a few releases now
[09:42] <Amaranth> We finally switched to the current upstream one
[09:42] <HowDoI> Why would they remove it upstream?
[09:42] <Amaranth> They rewrote gdm
[09:42] <joaopinto> micahg, is not a generic issue per si, that was changed specifically on gdm, the lack of a configuration
[09:43] <joaopinto> HowDoI, no one removes features just because they do, most of the time it's related to a new version
[09:43] <Amaranth> It also lacks theming abilities
[09:43] <Amaranth> Unless you just want to change the colors
[09:43] <HowDoI> That doesn't sound like an upgrade to me
[09:43] <HowDoI> It sounds unfinished
[09:44] <Amaranth> It's more secure code, it doesn't run the GTK+ bits as root
[09:44] <joaopinto> HowDoI, I am sure there are other benefits that supported this decision
[09:44] <Amaranth> A lot cleaner code too, the theming system was a mess
[09:45] <HowDoI> So how many Ubuntu releases will it take until the end-user sees the level it was back in Jaunty?
[09:45] <joaopinto> despite the fact that the user list browser will be a blocker for some ppl
[09:45] <Amaranth> HowDoI: infinity
[09:45] <HowDoI> Excellent
[09:46] <joaopinto> hum, now that I think on this, it will be an adoption blocker on my job
[09:46] <joaopinto> security concerns
[09:46] <Amaranth> We've removed a bit of configuration from compiz too :P
[09:46] <HowDoI> If the user wants to customize his login screen, he'll hack the source like they used to do back int he good old days
[09:46] <Amaranth> joaopinto: It's a security concern to see the users that login to the machine most often?
[09:46] <micahg> well, xdm isn't as pretty, but there's no user list
[09:47] <joaopinto> Amaranth, yes, it is, on corporate policies it is a serious problem to have usernames listed anywhere, including desktops
[09:47] <micahg> any idea if lubuntu will be merged in soon?
[09:47] <Amaranth> joaopinto: I found a way :)
[09:47] <Amaranth> joaopinto: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[09:47] <Amaranth> joaopinto: browse to /apps/gdm-2/simple-greeter
[09:47] <G_A_C> Amaranth: not so much a security issue where I work, but a usability one
[09:48] <Amaranth> s/-2//
[09:48] <G_A_C> our Linux lab had an account for EVERY user with an account
[09:48] <G_A_C> which doesn't go well with a face browser
[09:48] <Amaranth> G_A_C: It only show the most commonly used ones
[09:48] <joaopinto> Amaranth, that should described and linked on the release notes, not having an user list for login is a common configuration
[09:48] <Amaranth> and it has an other option
[09:48] <Amaranth> most common 6 or so, that is
[09:48] <joaopinto> listing users on the login screen is a security issue
[09:48] <micahg> it listed all the users on my system
[09:49] <Amaranth> micahg: and how many users is that?
[09:49] <Amaranth> ooh there is an option to use compiz too
[09:49] <Amaranth> joaopinto: What we need is a simple UI to access all of this
[09:49] <micahg> Amaranth: 7
[09:49] <micahg> notifications for IM is cool
[09:50] <Amaranth> micahg: maybe it was 8 then
[09:50] <Amaranth> it was 6 or 8
[09:50] <kaddi__> anyone else having trouble with sound? mine is coming and going in 5-10minutes intervalls
[09:50] <micahg> does anyone know if the lubuntu package will be added to karmic soon?
[09:51] <joaopinto> Amaranth, as long there is a simple way to achieve, even that it rrequires gconf-editor, it should be fine, as long it doesn't require to change code :P
[09:51] <Amaranth> lubuntu?
[09:51] <micahg> yeah, LXDE
[09:51] <joaopinto> Amaranth, LXDE ithink :P
[09:51] <micahg> I saw something about a lubuntu-desktop package
[09:51] <Amaranth> afaik that stuff is still 3rd party respins
[09:51] <Amaranth> If it isn't there right now it isn't going to be there
[09:51] <micahg> I thought it was sanctioned by the sabdfl
[09:51] <Amaranth> We are in bugfix mode
[09:52] <HowDoI> In what capacity do you work for Ubuntu, Amaranth?
[09:52] <Amaranth> I may not even be able to get a compiz update in :P
[09:52] <Amaranth> HowDoI: I'm not employed by Canonical, if that's what you mean.
[09:52]  * micahg still wants to get Firefox 3.6 in universe
[09:52] <Amaranth> I do compiz packaging though
[09:53] <HowDoI> Haha, is Compiz ever going to make it possible to see minimized windows with the scale plugin?
[09:53] <OPTIMUS> hi
[09:53] <OPTIMUS> I am wondering why kubuntu 9.10 beta sill have old boot splash?
[09:53] <Amaranth> HowDoI: No, probably not
[09:53] <OPTIMUS> anyone?
[09:54] <Amaranth> OPTIMUS: I suppose because no one made a new one?
[09:54] <OPTIMUS> so final version of kubuntu karmic will have old splash?
[09:54] <HowDoI> Also, I forget who was supposed to be working on it, but isn't there going to be a replacement for Emerald?
[09:54] <Amaranth> HowDoI: oops
[09:55] <Amaranth> That was me, over a year ago now
[09:55] <HowDoI> Reallllly?
[09:55] <Amaranth> I got about 100 lines of code in before someone else had a working project that seemed to have potential
[09:55] <Amaranth> Then it turned cracktaskic and they stopped working on it
[09:55] <HowDoI> That's too bad
[09:55] <Amaranth> emerald is cracktastic anyway
[09:55] <Amaranth> any replacement for it would not have all the "features"
[09:55] <HowDoI> Yeah, I tried looking at the source to fix a bug I found
[09:56] <HowDoI> But gave up quickly
[09:56] <Amaranth> But if no replacement is created emerald will die with 0.8.x as it does not work with the C++ rewrite
[09:56] <OPTIMUS> so final version of kubuntu karmic will have old splash?
[09:56] <Oli``> Are we too far along for Amarok 2.2 to be included?
[09:56] <Amaranth> OPTIMUS: *shrug*
[09:56] <Amaranth> Oli``: much
[09:56] <Amaranth> Oli``: about a month late
[09:56] <HowDoI> No more Emerald?
[09:56] <Oli``> Amaranth: shame
[09:57] <Oli``> cadence, cadence, cadence
[09:57] <Amaranth> HowDoI: If there is no replacement for it by 10.10 it'll be removed from the archive
[09:57] <HowDoI> Then somebody needs to replace it!
[09:57] <Amaranth> 10.04 is still going to use 0.8.x so it'll still work, sort of
[09:58] <HowDoI> I only know Fortran, and I know very little of how window managers and all that work anyway
[09:58] <Amaranth> HowDoI: None of the developers care, tbh
[09:58] <Amaranth> We've left the cracktastic days in the past and are trying to make what we have solid
[09:58] <HowDoI> The idea I read about was making the titlebar, buttons, etc, all completely theme-able
[09:58] <HowDoI> Like move it to the side, bottom ,etc
[09:59] <smegzor> Does Karmic have better support (ok ANY support) for ATI cards?  I have an old X300 card which I can only get to work with NVidia drivers (on 9.04).
[09:59] <Oli``> smegzor: you have an x300 working under nvidia drivers?
[09:59] <Amaranth> HowDoI: Right, that was jasper
[09:59] <Amaranth> HowDoI: the cracktastic one that died
[09:59] <smegzor> Oli``: yep
[09:59] <Amaranth> Oli``: That's not possible
[09:59] <Amaranth> err, smegzor
[09:59] <HowDoI> That kind of ruins my night
[10:00] <Oli``> smegzor: an ATI X300? Under nvidia drivers? That's just confusing
[10:00] <HowDoI> I was secretly hoping in the back of my mind that I'd see that some day
[10:00] <Boohbah> s/NVidia/ATI/g    ???
[10:00] <Amaranth> smegzor: If you install nvidia drivers for an ati card it'll probably just use the vesa driver
[10:00] <HowDoI> Now I know that I'll be seeing the same GUI-window paradigm for years to come
[10:00] <kaddi> anyone using KDE here? Could you please check the following: Go to settings, select show notifications, kde notifications and hit "preview". 2 notifications will show up. Press it again. Do the same 2 notifiactions show up or do you get 4 notifications?
[10:00] <smegzor> Well I have a picture.  I don't have accelerated graphics or anything like that.    So yeah, I'm running with NVidia drivers installed.  No idea if they are in use or not.
[10:01] <Boohbah> smegzor: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:01] <om26er> backspace in vi don't work correct
[10:02] <smegzor> Boohbah: It looks like I am running with Vesa drivers.  I would upgrade to 9.10 if ATI works there.
[10:03] <smegzor> I had an NVidia card but it cooked itself.
[10:03] <om26er> backspace key in VI text editor don't work
[10:03] <HowDoI> Is there any place for a Fortran programmer in Ubuntu?
[10:04] <smegzor> So.. does ATI work with older cards on 9.10 or is it just as bad as 9.04?
[10:04] <smegzor> I will be going back to NVidia just as soon as I can afford a new card.
[10:05] <HowDoI> smegzor, I plan on buying a $30 NVidia card if (when) Karmic fails to boot with my integrated Intel graphics
[10:05] <om26er> smegzor: the upcoming new kernel might support
[10:05] <om26er> HowDoI: karmic does not fail on intel
[10:05] <smegzor> hmm.. given ATI's track record, I bet it won't :)
[10:06] <HowDoI> Karmic fails on my machine
[10:06] <HowDoI> So did Jaunty
[10:07] <iflema> kde'ens
[10:07] <HowDoI> Well, it messed up until I upgraded the kernel to an unsupported on
[10:07] <HowDoI> e
[10:07] <om26er> any1 know how to use backspace in vim
[10:07] <smegzor> Is it worth upgrading to 9.10 early?  I usually wait until the release candidate.
[10:08] <HowDoI> Wait until AFTER the full release
[10:08] <tomasv> has anyone tried installing karmic with debootstrap? is it even supported?
[10:08] <iflema> om26er: export EDITOR=(insert say joe...)
[10:08] <iflema> =
[10:09] <om26er> iflema: come again
[10:09] <Boohbah> why are some kernel images listed under 'The following packages have been kept back' when running apt-get update?
[10:10] <HowDoI> Howcome kernel upgrades (security updates) don't remove the previous verions?
[10:10] <Boohbah> smegzor: ATI works on jaunty too, you just have to configure xorg to do so
[10:10] <HowDoI> After a few months I'll have like 10 different kernel versions
[10:10] <Boohbah> HowDoI: because in the event of a non-working kernel you want to have backups around
[10:10] <smegzor> Boohbah: I tried that.  It was horrible and I gave up after 2 hours at it.
[10:11] <HowDoI> Yeah, 1 backup is plenty
[10:11] <Boohbah> smegzor: then i don't think karmic is for you
[10:11] <Boohbah> HowDoI: i personally use several different kernels depending on my use case, such as realtime for audio stuff
[10:12] <HowDoI> I see
[10:12] <HowDoI> That reminds me
[10:12] <Boohbah> HowDoI: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/10/17/remove-ubuntu-kernels-you-dont-need/
[10:12] <smegzor> I just have to work a bit longer to afford a new NVidia.  I'll be back to NVidia in a week or two.
[10:12] <HowDoI> Will any future versions of Ubuntu finally get rid of Pulseaudio?
[10:12] <tgpraveen> !info palimpest
[10:12] <iflema> om26er: if vim is not what you have chosen as an editor assign you choice of editor on the command line with e.g export EDITOR=joe
[10:13] <tgpraveen> is the palimpest disk utility included by default with karmic?
[10:15] <Boohbah> iflema: or better yet, echo 'export EDITOR=joe' >> ~/.bashrc
[10:15] <iflema> m
[10:16] <paolob> Hi guys! is it possible to use epiphany-gecko in karmic?
[10:16] <Boohbah> !info epiphany-gecko
[10:16] <Boohbah> paolob: yes
[10:16] <tgpraveen> why is it in main?
[10:17] <tgpraveen> isnt main for thoese apps which are on default install?
[10:17] <HowDoI> Hey man, this is a pre-release version of Ubuntu.  If you have problems, wait for the full release
[10:17] <paolob> Boohbah, however karmic tells me the epiphany comes with epiphany-browser or epiphany-webkit, but if I install epiphany-browser, epiphany-gecko is removed
[10:17] <HowDoI> And if you still have problems then, wait for Karmic+!
[10:17] <HowDoI> 1
[10:18] <tgpraveen> is the palimpest disk utility included by default with karmic?
[10:18] <rsk> !info palimpest
[10:19] <rsk> tgpraveen: no
[10:19] <joaopinto> tgpraveen, no, main is for applications supported by Canonical
[10:20] <kaddi> anyone using kubuntu in here?
[10:20] <rsk> tgpraveen: althou it shows up as gnome-disk-utility when i search for it in synaptic.
[10:21] <rsk> !info gnome-disk-utility
[10:21] <rsk> palimpsest (from the gnome-disk-utility project) is a tool to manage disk
[10:21] <rsk> drives and media:
[10:23] <doktoreas> Hello folks..so the ext4 is the default FS for karmic?
[10:23] <rsk> yes
[10:24] <HowDoI> Anybody know when EXT5 will be part of Ubuntu?
[10:24] <rsk> :)
[10:24] <iflema> lol
[10:26] <HowDoI> Anybody know the average age of the average Ubuntu user?
[10:26] <kaddi> 25
[10:26] <kaddi> :p
[10:26] <aboSamoor> 20
[10:27] <iflema> 30
[10:27] <iflema> no shit 30
[10:27] <Jaymac> 13, based on all the impatient kiddies in here yesterday :(
[10:27] <Jaymac> :)*
[10:28] <HowDoI> That's too bad
[10:28] <HowDoI> GNU/Linux should be pushed on younger people
[10:28] <HowDoI> Like 5 year olds
[10:29] <HowDoI> Give them the root password on their 10th birthday
[10:29] <HowDoI> If they haven't already cracked it
[10:29] <iflema> dont give it too a 15 year old....
[10:30] <Boohbah> iflema: why not?
[10:30] <iflema> yeah grub straight in.... is that still posible with grub 2
[10:30] <iflema> ?
[10:32] <Boohbah> < iflema> dont give it too a 15 year old.... < Boohbah> iflema: why not?
[10:33] <iflema> best to go damage control and make a new profile with lower acces rights
[10:36] <iflema> hackedy kack hack
[10:36] <doktoreas> Anyone knows if I can use facebook chat with empathy?
[10:37] <HowDoI> Sure, log into facebook with your web browser
[10:38] <ubuntu0ath1> web browser is not empathy
[10:41] <iflema> HowDoI: lol
[10:41] <HowDoI> Sorry
[10:41] <Jaymac> doktoreas, first google result: http://philliptweedie.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/facebook-chat-with-empathy-in-ubuntu/
[10:42] <doktoreas> Hi Jaymac. I saw that but I thought that was a bit old..
[10:42] <HowDoI> I started the Internet back when it was a cosmic, lawless mess
[10:42] <HowDoI> Back in the good old days of the late 90's
[10:43] <HowDoI> It's easy to be sarcastic sometimes
[10:47] <iflema> its begining to look alot like christmas............ christmas release would be good... say ... what 26th dec
[10:49] <HowDoI> No, then people would be busy instead of installing the new version
[10:49] <HowDoI> I would appear anti-social if I were to spend Christmas at my desk
[10:50] <kaddi> anyone using kubuntu in here?
[10:50] <HowDoI> Last year they released that stuff on Halloween
[10:50] <jussi01> !anyone | kaddi
[10:50] <iflema> upgrade through repos... all good come the newyear. 5-7 here and there get it ready for 2010
[10:51] <iflema> 5-7 days
[10:51] <kaddi> :p
[10:52] <kaddi> i have asked the specific question before without any reaction. so unless someone using kde joined in the meantime, there is not much point in repeating. but here goes: I have a rather odd issue with kde 4.3.1 and karmic. I am using the systray widget and yesterday I went into the settings and used the preview-feature for the notification. Now everytime I get a notification 3 windows pop-up. The 2 "dummy" notifications from the preview and the actual
[10:52] <kaddi> notification from some other program. Is this a known issue and is there a work-around?
[10:53] <iflema> kde4 gettn good huh?
[10:54] <iflema> using systray widget... dont we all?
[10:54] <kaddi> it's nice. I asked in #kde before asking here.. seems as if this whole preview thing is not available in kde by default, so this should be an ubuntu thing/issue
[10:55] <iflema> where are settingns imon kde4
[10:55] <kaddi> or kubuntu rather
[10:55] <kaddi> iflema: what do yo mean?
[10:55] <iflema> im not sure what you mean just curious
[10:56] <kaddi> this are the settings I have for systray http://www.pic-upload.de/view-3260160/systray.png.html and that is how a kopete notification now looks for me: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-3260194/notif.png.html
[10:57] <kaddi> basically my entire screen is now filled with dummy notifications whenever I get a notification. I would like to get rid of them
[10:59] <floating> 7topic
[11:00] <iflema> kaddi: oh.. ok wiget settings.... eghh
[11:02] <iflema> kaddi: mandirva 2009.1 kde4.3.x does not have this option
[11:10] <kaddi> yes, it seems sometthing specific to kubuntu
[11:11] <Amaranth> joaopinto: Would something like this be useful for you? http://www.realistanew.com/random/powergdm.png
[11:12] <joaopinto> Amaranth, yes
[11:12] <joaopinto> Amaranth, but isn't upstream planning to develop a config tool ?
[11:12] <joaopinto> you are doing it yourself ?
[11:13] <Amaranth> joaopinto: I don't know what upstream is planning, I'm just poking into gdm
[11:13] <Amaranth> so it requires gksudo which we're trying to stop using
[11:13] <Amaranth> s/gdm/gconf/
[11:21] <whyking> hi
[11:21] <lynch69> guys... ho do i fix nm-applets in karmic? it refuses to save any setting changes
[11:21] <whyking> I have no /etc/apparmor/usr.sbin.mysqld profile
[11:22] <whyking> and mysqld does not start correctly, giving a lot of apparmor messages
[11:22] <whyking> e.g.
[11:22] <whyking> [ 1224.141963] type=1503 audit(1254478824.536:78): operation="open" pid=3255 parent=3254 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[11:23] <lynch69> the solution seems to be install a nightly network manager from ppa, but how do i do that without internet, downloading separate deb files from windows is a huge nightmare and throws me into dependency hell
[11:28] <cousteau> it takes about 40 seconds to boot UNR on an Acer Aspire One... maybe because of the splash? how can I remove it?
[11:37] <kaddi> anyone using kubuntu in here, that could verify if he's having the same glitch I have?
[11:39] <alokito> will the gnome network manager have support for bluetooth modem in final release?
[11:39] <madrazr> hello everyone, when I say zsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.zsync, I get this error
[11:39] <madrazr> could not read control file from URL http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[11:39] <madrazr> is this a known issue?
[11:39] <alokito> karmic is in beta now? :-/
[11:40] <rsk> alokito: correct
[11:40] <alokito> rsk, how can I upgrade from alpha 6?
[11:40] <nonix4> well, releases seems to be overloaded...
[11:40] <rsk> alokito: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:40] <alokito> okk, when did it release? :)
[11:41] <alokito> I didnt get the update in morning
[11:41] <rsk> yesterday or something
[11:41] <nonix4> (torrent on the other hands: | peers:    4 seen now, 26.5% done at 12815.4 kB/s)
[11:41] <alokito> hmm
[11:42] <alokito> rsk, where can I post a feature request?
[11:42] <alokito> I want bluetooth modem support in gnome network manager
[11:42] <rsk> launchpad.net
[11:42] <alokito> ok
[11:43] <alokito> karmic has lots of new features that I like a lot
[11:44] <alokito> rsk, where in launchpad? bug report?
[11:44] <rsk> i'd rather not babysit
[11:45] <madrazr> can some one help me with zsync for Karmic Beta?
[11:45] <alokito> rsk, ive visited http://launchpad.net/ubuntu ... but there's no link for feature request
[11:45] <rsk> again, please ask someone else
[11:46] <alokito> okay...
[11:47] <alokito> whats a blueprint?
[11:48] <rsk> an ida basicly
[11:48] <rsk> idea
[11:48] <alokito> ok, I was looking for this
[11:49] <tavasti> alokito, karmic came beta about 14 hours ago
[11:49] <tavasti> depending on yourt timezone today or yesterday
[11:49] <alokito> tavasti, ok, I last checked about 16 hours ago
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> expect this channel to be on fire
[11:56] <rsk> why
[11:56] <peol> Does anyone have any idea why 'xev' doesn't respond with a keycode (or symlink) on my media keys, while lshal -m does, and udev does too? They used to work when pulseaudio was installed, could the gnome-media package be 'grabbing' them, hindering others from registering them?
[11:57] <ActionParsnip1> peol: possibly, try it in livecd to test
[11:58] <peol> That's not an option at this time, dvd broke a few days ago after the cat "accidentally" stepped on it and broke the slide :P
[11:59] <James147> peol: You can try to create a liveusb then
[11:59] <peol> Yeah, I'll try that out
[12:00] <ActionParsnip1> peol: if your kb is branded you may be able to find a guide
[12:01] <peol> ActionParsnip1: The worked before I removed pulseaudio, so I'm thinking that the gnome-volume-control is hooking those keys since it doesn't support gstreamer anymore
[12:01] <peol> They*
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> peol: if you jump into keyboard shortcuts, if you select a function and press a key, does it set the key there
[12:02] <peol> ActionParsnip1: Yep, with the right XF86Audio* shortcut too
[12:03] <|ns|nR8> ubuntu 9.10 beta is out ?
[12:03] <Mike1> what‘s the name of the package which contains that GNOME-tool to enable/disable services?
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> peol: hmm
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> |ns|nR8: yes
[12:03] <James147> |ns|nR8: Beta is out yes
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> Mike1: bum
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> !info bum | Mike1
[12:04] <alokito> tavasti, how to check my dist version?
[12:04] <alokito> Im getting this: alokito@alokito-karmic:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:04] <alokito> Reading package lists... Done
[12:04] <alokito> Building dependency tree
[12:04] <alokito> Reading state information... Done
[12:04] <alokito> Calculating upgrade... Done
[12:04] <alokito> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: lsb_release -c
[12:04] <alokito> ok
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: if it says that then you are on the beta, you will seamlessly upgrade to the rc
[12:04] <peol> ActionParsnip1: Just to be clear, it does register the keypresses in 'xev', it's just not labelling them as 'keypress event'
[12:04] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, codename: karmic
[12:04] <alokito> ni alpha or beta
[12:05] <alokito> no*
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: it wont say that
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: if you have no updates to grab then you are on beta
[12:05] <peol> ActionParsnip1: And there's no keycode, just mentions of FocusIn/out and KeymapNotify events
[12:05] <Mike1> ActionParsnip1, ubottu: it was not bum … it was installed by default and looked way different … somehow i removed it apparently
[12:05] <tavasti> alokito, run 'sudo apt-get update' first
[12:05] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, alokito@alokito-karmic:~$ lsb_release -c
[12:05] <alokito> Codename:       karmic
[12:05] <alokito> tavasti, yup did that
[12:05] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, yup all updatest are installed
[12:06] <alokito> updates*
[12:06] <ActionParsnip1> peol: maybe its a "feature" of the keyboard and you need some weird config / app to capture them
[12:06] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: then you are good to do :D
[12:06] <nzmm_> is it just me or are the ubuntu main servers taking a pounding?
[12:07] <Lazy> they seem to be really slow
[12:07] <alokito> how much continuous hits does it take to make floodbot ban someone? :P
[12:08] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, isn't there a way to check if its alpha or beta?
[12:08] <Amaranth> nzmm_: If you think it's bad now wait until the final :P
[12:08] <nzmm_> hehe yea
[12:08] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: not that i m aware of
[12:08] <Amaranth> when the final release comes out almost all the mirrors die too
[12:08] <alokito> ok :(
[12:08] <peol> ActionParsnip1: Possibly, perhaps xev is too old, udev/lshal recognize them but I'm not sure how to use that if I want to bind the keyboard events (xmodmap)
[12:09] <alokito> so alpha or beta aren't counted as distribution updates?
[12:09] <rsk> alokito: no
[12:09] <Amaranth> no
[12:09] <alokito> ok
[12:10] <Amaranth> This isn't Windows :)
[12:10] <ActionParsnip1> peol: makes sense
[12:10] <Mike1> development is floating
[12:10] <Mike1> make dailyd upgrades and you go from alpha1 to final :-)
[12:10] <Mike1> *daily
[12:12] <Mike1> except some small bugs my Netbook Remix got fairly stable :-)
[12:12] <Raydiation> argh why is everyone downloading and keeping the servers busy
[12:12] <ccc__> hi
[12:12] <ccc__> i have a problem with x server
[12:12] <ccc__> e driver ati.
[12:12] <alokito> Mike1, I will install the final separately, no wish to update from alpha or beta
[12:12] <Mike1> Raydiation: some people propably think they need the beta
[12:13] <stefg> Mike1: what netbook is that? My experience with an Acer Aspire One is that nbr is unusable with that atm
[12:13] <Raydiation> btw, beta with least bugs yet :)
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> Raydiation: wow, jaunty was 100% solid here in beta
[12:14] <Mike1> stefg: Asus EeePC1005HA-M … between alpha 5 and alpha 6 it was really unstable
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> karmic on my main desktop has been awesome since alpha 2 or 3
[12:14] <Mike1> stefg: but now it’s very usable and no major crashs so far
[12:14] <Raydiation> ActionParsnip1: didnt try jaunty beta^^
[12:14] <Raydiation> oh yes
[12:14] <Raydiation> i did xD
[12:14] <stefg> Mike1: xorg has serious problems on the AAO. colours are off, no icons visible on top panel
[12:15] <iflema> ding... ding... such a busy little hive
[12:15] <Mike1> stefg: the 751h one?
[12:15] <Raydiation> i really like the ui changes
[12:16] <Raydiation> great theme, icons and gdm
[12:16] <stefg> Mike1: A110L
[12:16] <Mike1> stefg: strange … it uses the good old intel onboard graphics
[12:18] <stefg> Mike1: yup... i'm asking myself, too, what that might be. but running the exact same image in a virtual machine gives me a working Live environment, so it's definitely a bug (not some damaged medium)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip1> so if I dist-upgrade then I have the beta packages?
[12:19] <Amaranth> yes
[12:20] <ActionParsnip1> sweet, just checking
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> got a new chromium today, its damn fast
[12:24] <ripps> wth, did they remove epiphany from the repos? why would they do that?
[12:24] <Amaranth> no...
[12:25] <Amaranth> It should have been moved to universe and the gecko version removed
[12:25] <Boohbah> ActionParsnip1: i just made chromium use my gtk dark theme and now i'm set :)
[12:25] <ripps> Amaranth: well they removed it from main, but haven't pushed into universe yet
[12:27] <ubuntu_> hey people, very busy servers for download beta, torrents are available?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip1> Boohbah: i made mine look like macOS to be ironic, i use the brushed metal theme
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> Boohbah: it smokes firefox well. even with my suped up settings on firefox
[12:28] <Mike1> what‘s the name of the package which contains that GNOME-tool to enable/disable services? (just asking again)
[12:29] <Elone> anyone know how do i config wacom or where is /etc/X11/xorg.cong go?
[12:30] <stefg> ubuntu_: find your mirror here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-October/000125.html , they usually have torrents, too
[12:30] <Boohbah> ActionParsnip1: i'm wondering if chrome will prompt firefox to switch to webkit
[12:30] <ubuntu_> no torrents for now...
[12:33] <unimatrix> are there any chances of X server 1.7 reaching karmic?
[12:34] <stefg> ubuntu_: http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[12:34] <Boohbah> unimatrix: not if it isn't there right now, which means no
[12:34] <unimatrix> it's been released today
[12:34] <jpds> ubuntu_: There are torrents available.
[12:35] <ubuntu_> i can't browse this links, for now are too heavy busy...
[12:35] <Boohbah> unimatrix: feature freeze was a few months ago, can't add new stuff to a distro to be released at the end of the month
[12:35] <jpds> unimatrix: Unlikely this far in the cycloe.
[12:35] <ubuntu_> yes, i look, i can't prowse the pages...
[12:35] <Boohbah> err s/months/weeks/
[12:37] <peol> ActionParsnip1, Raydiation: The community-themes package contains some great themes as well
[12:37] <floating> hey. how should I debug the case when my cpu load is 100% always when i play flash, and in many other occasions it climbs up there very easily
[12:38] <floating> i have a poor integrate intel graphics controller, but still in alpha3 it had the best performance, then something happened
[12:38] <kaddi> I lost sound with flash after I upgraded from jaunty to karmic. :/ Is there some new/diferent pacakge I need to install or is flash the same in karmic and jaunty?
[12:38]  * nonix4 ponders how to import .iso contents as .debs recognized by apt-cacher (or some such)
[12:39] <stefg> nonix4: you need the alternate install cd
[12:40] <stefg> http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:40] <peol> kaddi: Try installing the flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound package
[12:41] <stefg> nonix4: once you have the image you can either burn it to CD and upgrade by the CD, or just mount -o loop that ISO to /media/cdrom
[12:41] <cousteau> kaddi: afaik the flash installer just downloads and installs a .so library that hasn't updated for months
[12:42] <floating> I got this in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
[12:43] <Elone> anyone know how do i config wacom or where is /etc/X11/xorg.conf go?
[12:44] <ActionParsnip1> nonix4: add the cd to your sources.list
[12:44] <nonix4> stefg: hmm... yeah something like that will work, which cd iso is used doesn't really matter for my scenario though - have desktop one DL'd and want to use the debs on that for ltsp server on lan doing apt-get dist-upgrade...
[12:46] <stefg> nonix4: the desktop CDs do not hold .debs for the upgrade. It's a squashfs file system image, where most of the packages are already installed. So you simply do not have them yet. Only the alternate CD does a real .deb-by-.deb install
[12:47] <nonix4> 'k
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> how about the 'dvd' does it have both?
[12:48] <peol> Elone: Try http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php?content=104309&forumpage=0, way easier then the xorg-setup, and that is removed since it's using HAL/hotplugging now afaik
[12:48] <stefg> Dr_Willis: don't know, never used a dvd
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> i see it asked whats different about the dvd. :) i never use it either
[12:49] <Elone> peol: k, let me check that out
[12:50] <nonix4> heh, apparently a total of 21 debs on desktop cd... well, I've almost never used desktop cd, instead been using altcd most of time
[12:50] <peol> Elone: Don't forget to install the wacom-tools package as well, I think that's a dependency (if it doesn't do that for you)
[12:51] <kaddi> peol: thanks the extrasound thing seems to have solved the problem. :)
[12:51] <peol> kaddi: np
[12:53] <Elone> peol, ^^ thank for the tips ~ ^^ installing @v@
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Im wondering what the differance btween 'eject and unmount' is for  an external usb drive.   I was thinking on 9.04 i only had ONE of those options depending on the device
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> not both as im seeing now
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> eject some how makes the system no longer see the device.. i ejected this usb hard drive.. now i cant gparted it. :0 guess i should of used unmount..
[13:11] <peol> Dr_Willis: "Eject" is what "Safe-removal" is in Windows afaik, it means you can safely remove it since it has been unmounted and the powered down, while unmount only unmounts it but still gets power so you can access it
[13:11] <mbeierl> ooo.  I think my network manager is really hosed now :(
[13:11] <mbeierl> anyone else tried connecting to hidden wireless network and had problems?
[13:11] <Elone> what do "dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor" mean? how do i fix that ? i am trying to install the wacom-utility
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> peol:  makes sence.. now how about this 'detect media' menu itsm that  i dont recall EVER seeing befor. :)
[13:12] <peol> Elone: I think it's a bug in the package installer, "sudo apt-get install wacom-tools" should work
[13:12] <Elone> peol, i did that~ now i try to install the deb that you sent me
[13:13] <spreadthelove> whats the command to update to karmic?
[13:13] <peol> Dr_Willis: No idea, I've used karmic for a while but never played around with it
[13:13] <chu_> How is everyone tonight?
[13:13] <peol> Elone: You can use sudo  dpkg -i <package file> as well, if it's not in the repos (as this file isn't)
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> I only saw that menu item today.. im pretty sure it wasent there a few days ago. :)
[13:14] <peol> Dr_Willis: Where do you find that, in the Applications menu?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> peol:  i right clicked on my usb drive icon on the desktop. it now has 'eject, unmount , Detect media'
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking it may rescan/remount devices.. but it dident seem to do that
[13:16] <peol> Dr_Willis: Ah, I guess that's just a "Audio/Data/DVD Movie" sort of thing, I've never seen it before
[13:16] <Heeroo> how can i install netbook remix on ubuntu ?
[13:17] <peol> Heeroo: Install the 'ubuntu-netbook-remix' package
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> theres a netbook remix iso i recall
[13:17] <mbeierl> man... even all the jaunty mirrors are slow today.  You'd think someone released a beta or something :)
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> torrrents were amazing fast :)
[13:18] <Heeroo> yes, but i have a running ubuntu and don't want reinstall
[13:18] <Elone> peol, installed but it detect no graphic tablets :<
[13:18] <Heeroo> so how can i do that?
[13:19] <rsk> Heeroo: sudo update-manager -d
[13:19] <ActionParsnip1> Heeroo: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix
[13:19] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis:  ya, but I've got a school that I'm trying to do just a regular jaunty update on (no upgrade) and I can't get anthing from security.ubuntu.com - know of any mirror for that one?
[13:19] <peol> Elone: Aww, too bad. I don't have a wacom myself so I can't help you much I'm afraid. Try consult the forum, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=359
[13:19] <rsk> oh remibx.
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  not really tried or looked. sor5ry
[13:20] <Elone> peol,  T^T is ok ~ thank for the help thou ^^ ~ i will stuck will eraser as the pen for a while i guess XD
[13:20] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: just thought I'd check :)
[13:20] <Amaranth> mbeierl: There is no mirror for security.ubuntu.com
[13:21] <mbeierl> Amaranth: somehow that's what I figured.  Too bad it's being hit so hard today ...
[13:21] <Amaranth> Mostly because we want those updates to go out ASAP and not wait for mirroring (some mirrors can be incredibly out of date)
[13:21] <leleobhz> someone know about a kernel problem with wireless cards that returns error 132?
[13:21] <Heeroo> i have instaled it, but the metycity don't show the cancel buttons
[13:22] <peol> Elone: Try just rebooting/logout and see if it detects it
[13:22] <mbeierl> Amaranth: I'm stuck waiting for it, but just because I need to install a package so ooimpress can open and I've got teachers waiting for me to hurry up and get it done so they can work with their presentations and ... you know :)
[13:22] <Heeroo> ???
[13:23] <Amaranth> mbeierl: Why do you need a package from -security to fix OOo? Did they roll a crash fix and a security fix together?
[13:24] <mbeierl> Amaranth: nope.  but my regular mirror is bogged down so I switched to a non-karmic mirror for jaunty but then I needed to do an apt-get update so I get the new mirror list...
[13:24] <eternal_p> has it really been 3 days without a true update, or has something happened to my update manager
[13:24] <Amaranth> mbeierl: apt-get update should just timeout on security and go on
[13:24] <Amaranth> eternal_p: We were in beta freeze
[13:24] <eternal_p> Amaranth: that would do it
[13:24] <Amaranth> There are some updates coming in now
[13:24] <mbeierl> Amaranth: hey... ctrl-c when I hit the security works.  the other mirror is good now - thanks! :)
[13:25] <eternal_p> Amaranth: last I saw was for update manager last night
[13:25] <eternal_p> I'm just not used to it
[13:26] <mbeierl> 366KB/s download from a non-karmic mirror vs. 63B/s with the karmic mirror.  Man!  You'd think there was a release or something ;)
[13:26] <Amaranth> eternal_p: I know an archive manager cleared the queue this morning so...
[13:26] <Elone> peol, ok ~
[13:26] <eternal_p> actually, another question while I'm here, in earlier alphas, under places, rather than having all the book marks showing, I had home, destkop, then bookmarks -> with everything else in a sub menu, I'd love to figure out how to get that back
[13:29] <Elone> back~
[13:29] <Elone> noluck thou ;p
[13:31] <Amaranth> eternal_p: there is no configuration I can find for it so...
[13:31] <eternal_p> Amaranth: ah well, it was a better layout than current, what can you do..
[13:32] <Elone> btw, how do i setup finger-print login? or can i?
[13:32] <Heeroo> have you a idea?
[13:33] <myk_robinson> I am using Gnome-Do in Docky mode and have it set to start automatically and run in place of a lower panel. Do any of you have issues with multiple instances of Gnome-Do launching, making it just not work? Sometimes at boot, i have to open a terminal, run  ps -C gnome-do   and terminate all instances of the app, then relaunch it, at which point it works fine.
[13:35] <tavasti> after install from beta cd, I'll get 'GRUB loading. error: no such partition'
[13:35] <tavasti> and prompt grub rescue>
[13:35] <Travis-42> For some reason, any GUI application that asks for the administrative password fails to recognize my password.  but I can sudo with the same password. What might be wrong?
[13:35] <tavasti> tried booting to rescue mode, and running grub-install, but same problem
[13:36] <temporarytao> hi, i just upgraded to karmic beta and when i boot, there's a message that prints out with something like unknown filesystem xfs
[13:38] <temporarytao> hi, i just upgraded to karmic beta and when i boot, there's a message that prints out with something like unknown filesystem xfs
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> do you have any xfs filesystems on the system?
[13:40]  * Dr_Willis says never mind...
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:40]  * Dr_Willis watches the installer run on his laptop
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Purty stuff to read as it installs... ohhh...ahhhh....
[13:42] <mercutio221> I am trying to mount an ext4 partition from the karmic live cd but a window pops up requiring authentication and my user password will not suffice. What to do?
[13:43] <Lazy> Elone: if you have thinkpad you can setup finger print login with package thinkfinger-tools
[13:44] <Lazy> I it on my laptop so I can sudo with my finger print but the first time after boot I login with password because gnome keylocker needs the password
[13:45] <temporarytao> Dr_Willis, sorry, i got DC for a bit. yes. i'm using ext4 for the root partition and XFS for the home.
[13:46] <temporarytao> and also XFS for my backups partition
[13:46] <ActionParsnip1> mercutio221: launch a terminal and run: passwd
[13:46] <ActionParsnip1> mercutio221: then type a password twice to set it
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> yea i noticed that little quirk with the live cd also. :)
[13:48] <mercutio221> ActionParsnip1: I still get authentification failure =[
[13:48] <tavasti> anybody having any idea what commands that 'grub rescue>' prompt accepts
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> mercutio221: strange
[13:48] <Elone> Lazy,  not Thinkpad >.< is Lifebook
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> !grub | tavasti may have some clues
[13:49] <Travis-42> is us.archive.ubuntu.com going really slow for updating for others? Is there a way around this?
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> tavasti:   checks the docs at  the grub homepage/docs?  i was looking throug them the otehr day
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> !slow
[13:49] <NoelJB> Travis-42, yes, I'm seeing issues getting apt-get to update at the moment.
[13:49] <Heeroo> how can i change to gdm?
[13:49] <Heeroo> i have installed kdm
[13:49] <Travis-42> ok NoelJB, thank you
[13:50] <Lazy> Elone: it might use the same fingerprint reader as thinkpads
[13:50] <Heeroo> ??ß
[13:50] <temporarytao> Travis-42, i just upgraded to karmic and i had decent speed.
[13:50] <temporarytao> i was using the japan server
[13:50] <temporarytao> maybe that'll help
[13:51] <Travis-42> temporarytao: I'm already in karmic, but I'm trying to get additional packages.  can I make apt use different servers?
[13:51] <temporarytao> i could using intrepid. checking now...
[13:51] <Elone> Lazy, hmm
[13:51] <temporarytao> yeah, same setup
[13:52] <temporarytao> just open your "software sources" program
[13:52] <tavasti> looks like i'm in trouble, 'insmod /boot/grub/normal.mod' gives me again 'error: no such partition'
[13:52] <temporarytao> then clik on the "download from" dropdown
[13:52] <temporarytao> then click "select best server" from the window that pops up
[13:53] <temporarytao> as i understand it, that'll ping the servers and give you the best/fastest one relative to you
[13:53] <temporarytao> for me, its japan
[13:53] <Leif__> I can't seem to find any form of install button in the ubuntu software center...can any of you help?  Thank you
[13:53] <tavasti> meybe grub2 can't handle situation when it has to find partition (hd0,10)
[13:54] <temporarytao> can anyone help on my "unknown filesystem xfs" problem
[13:54] <Pici> Leif__: Its in each application's page.
[13:54] <Leif__> Pici:  Okay, but there is nooinstall button on the pages either, although I do see a bunch of "Not Available in Current Data" messages
[13:55] <Pici> Leif__: I'd bet that it timed out trying to contact the servers and is just saying that because it doesnt know if those packages actually exist in the repos.
[13:56] <Leif__> I see, is there any way I can tell it to try again?
[13:56] <Pici> I don't have it in front of me (ssh access only right now) but I thought there was a refresh button somewhere.
[13:57] <temporarytao> can anyone help on my "unknown filesystem xfs" problem
[13:58] <ActionParsnip1> temporarytao: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=951844
[13:58] <Heeroo> i can't install kdm
[13:58] <Heeroo> it's not listed in the reposetry
[13:58] <Leif__> Pici:  Well, I'm certiantly not seing one...would it refresh if I switch servers?
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Heeroo:  try sudo apt-get install kdm ?
[13:59] <Pici> Leif__: Yes. Also if you manually did an apt-get update
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> temporarytao<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:00] <temporarytao> ActionParsnip1, thanks. i'm checking the links now
[14:00] <Heeroo> it works now
[14:01] <Leif__> Pici, great, it worked!!!
[14:01] <Leif__> Although, there probably should be a big refresh button in the store itself, (I didn't see one anyway)  Thank you
[14:02] <eric_> hello everyone... Since recently in karmic, i get KDE in English, while everything is set for French... any clue ?
[14:03] <temporarytao> ActionParsnip1, seems like its an ongoing bug. i guess i won't be seeing a fix for a while. thanks for the assist
[14:03] <kaddi> eric_: the translation might not be ready?
[14:04] <eric_> kaddi : yes, but then why did it work last week ? I've already installed karmic one month ago
[14:05] <wastrel> i'm a tired girl
[14:05] <mx> ?
[14:05] <tavasti> looks like I need to write bug report
[14:06] <mx> eric_: i have kde in french
[14:06] <tavasti> in grub prompt 'ls' shows hd0 and hd0,7 - hd0,1, and then error: out of disk
[14:06] <kaddi> eric_: I'm just guessing, but the beta was released yesterday and maybe they did not submit the french translation. maybe its simply a bug? I have a german OS, normally, about 25% of the lines are actually german, while the rest is ienglish ;)
[14:08] <eric_> mx : can you then help me determine the problem in private mail ? especially all window manager standard texts reverted to english ("maximize", "minimize", "close", ...). The clock too and the whole panel switched to English.
[14:08] <eric_> in private chat, sorry
[14:09] <mx> eric_: whoops, yeah i got all these elements in english too
[14:10] <eric_> aaah
[14:10]  * eric_ now knows he went not crazy ;-)
[14:11] <eric_> kaddi : ist das dasselbe auf Deutsch auch ? alle wm standardtexte wie "schlißen" usw ?
[14:13] <kaddi> eric_: I have "maximise", "minimise" and "schließen" right now.
[14:13] <eric_> and the panel's clock ? in german or english ?
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> germans have different clocks then english?
[14:15] <eric_> Freitag instead of Friday...
[14:15] <eric_> (depends on your settings, yes)
[14:15] <Travis-42> I have a weird problem with karmic beta: gksu doesn't recognize my password, but sudo does.  any ideas?
[14:15] <kaddi> yes, our clocks go the other way round ;)
[14:15] <kaddi> j/k
[14:16] <eric_> lol
[14:16] <kaddi> eric_: no, it is showing "Freitag". But depending on the language this might be different
[14:16] <temporarytao> hi, can someone post the blog link that'll help me solve the "dimming" problem?
[14:16] <temporarytao> i keep getting the alert for it but i keep missing the link
[14:16] <eric_> yes but it used to show "Fen" and now it is "Fri"... Same for you mx ?
[14:16] <eric_> "Ven" (vendredi)
[14:17] <mx> eric_: yeah same but I found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-fr/+bug/409558
[14:17] <Travis-42> basically, I can't access any GUI configuration programs because it seems to be expecting a different password from my sudo password?
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> your sudo password should be the same as your users password right?
[14:18] <eric_> ok, thanks, i should have started first place in launchpad ;-)
[14:18] <eric_> i thought it was me ;-)
[14:23] <DKcross> people, what is the diference of ubuntu cd and ubuntu dvd ?
[14:23] <DKcross> dvd have more packages or what?
[14:23] <DKcross> the dvd have repos?
[14:24] <mx> dvd = more languages
[14:24] <DKcross> mx,  thanks
[14:25] <DKcross> any know if exist a package disk?
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  the alt-isntaller cd has the .debs on it.
[14:25] <DKcross> but  a bit number of packages
[14:26] <Amaranth> mx: Actually I think they ended up dropping the langpacks from the DVD too
[14:26] <DKcross> i say , repository disk
[14:26] <Amaranth> DKcross: Closest you'll get is the alternative installer disc
[14:26] <Amaranth> If you burn it and put it in a computer that has jaunty installed it'll offer to use the disc to upgrade, iirc
[14:27] <DKcross> mmm well my question is for the people that want ubuntu but dont have internet
[14:27] <DKcross> i think DVD have more package
[14:28] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yes, the sudo password is my users password
[14:28] <DKcross> mmm like debian cd's or debian dvd's
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  thers no 'mirror set of cds' to download that ive ever seen
[14:29] <DKcross> yes, i was making packages cds, like aptoncd, but my questions is, if any know any official disk
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  not that ive ever seen
[14:30] <DKcross> i think that is necessary
[14:30] <DKcross> :)
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> aparently its not condsidered much of one by anyone else.
[14:30] <NoelJB> Travis-42, did you try gksudo instead of gksu?
[14:31] <Travis-42> NoelJB: yes, gksudo works, it asks for my password.  But things like the Synaptic Package Manager keep asking for the "Administrative password" which is apaprently different
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm synaptic asks? ive never seen it ask...
[14:31] <NoelJB> Travis-42, no, it should be the same.  your password, assuming that you are in sudoers, should work.  WFM  :-)
[14:31] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: me either
[14:31] <Travis-42> this is a fresh install too
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> gksudo synaptic     perhaps?
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> ive only seen synaptic warn 'not running with root priv.'
[14:32] <Travis-42> yep  gksudo synaptic works
[14:32] <mvo_> Travis-42: what is printed (in a terminal) when you run: "gksu id"
[14:32] <Travis-42> but if I click any of the options in System that require a password, it asks for an administrative password
[14:33] <Travis-42> mvo_: A bunch of gconf errors
[14:33] <Travis-42> http://pastebin.com/d2a3bfb90
[14:33] <NoelJB> Travis-42, Oh?  That's interesting.  I get uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[14:33] <Travis-42> NoelJB: it also pops up asking me for my administrative password, which won't accept my user password
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> gconf errors whenyou do gksu id ?
[14:34] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yea, I just put them in pastebin above
[14:34] <Dr_Willis>  gksu id
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> is what i got here. :)
[14:34] <Travis-42> darn it
[14:34] <mx> Travis-42: hope you know that if your GUI system ask you for a password it's the root password you have to give him ?
[14:35] <Travis-42> mx: yes but there is no root password
[14:35] <mx> Travis-42: no root password ?
[14:35] <mx> sudo -s = no password ?
[14:35] <Travis-42> mx: I believe that is ubuntu default and /etc/shadow shows no password for root
[14:36] <Travis-42> mx: sudo -s asks for my user password
[14:36] <mbeierl> hmm.  file browsers (attach a file from an email) don't allow typing in of a directory anywhere so if i want to get something from a .directory, I can't without showing "hidden" dirs...
[14:36] <NoelJB> mx, ubuntu doesn't use a root password.  we use sudo not su
[14:37] <Travis-42> basically it seems that my system is trying to use gksu not gksudo for System applications... weird
[14:37] <Travis-42> that's my best interpretation
[14:37] <NoelJB> Travis-42, the messages about ORBit seem odd.  I don't see those.
[14:37] <Travis-42> NoelJB: hmm, maybe the gconf errors are causing gnome to act funny in some way
[14:38] <NoelJB> Travis-42, or rather the underlying cause of the gconf messages :-)
[14:38] <Travis-42> or maybe, heh
[14:39] <Travis-42> if I do: "sudo -s" followed by "gksu id" then I don't get the errors
[14:40] <Travis-42> can I safely just delete my .gconf directory, will it be restored, minus the loss of some settings?
[14:41] <mx> Travis-42: i'm not a pro at sudo but you can allow it to let your username to use /bin/su
[14:43] <Travis-42> mx: I don't think that's going to solve my problems
[14:43] <Travis-42> but thank you
[14:43] <mbeierl> maybe someone knows this: I've added a second user since I installed Karmic, but whenever system auth is required by an app (not launched explicitly by me via gksu) it says I need the password for initial user, not current user.  anyone else see this?
[14:44] <Travis-42> mbeierl: hey! welcome to the club
[14:44] <mx> Travis-42: can you type : su -  and have a root prompt ?
[14:44] <Travis-42> except I only have a single user
[14:44] <NoelJB> Travis-42, what happens if you try to create another account, and add it to the admin group (admin is in sudoers, so that's all you need)?
[14:46] <Travis-42> NoelJB: I'll try that
[14:47] <mbeierl> Travis-42: joined late into the conversation, but you do know you cannot directly "su -", right?
[14:47] <mbeierl> sorry mx ^
[14:47] <Travis-42> mbeierl: yes, I know that
[14:47] <DKcross> Happy UBuntu Global jam for all
[14:48] <tavasti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/440587
[14:49] <Travis-42> mbeierl: but it sounds like I have a similar problem to you.  I have a single user, but whenever system auth is required bya  gui app, it requests my administrative password, not my user/sudo password
[14:50] <mbeierl> Travis-42: what's your "administrative" password, then?  If you only have the one account, what does that mean?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:51] <ikt> isn't there root level and user level ?
[14:51] <mbeierl> Travis-42: sorry - I don't mean literally what is it, I mean what does it expect?
[14:51] <mbeierl> Travis-42: are you totally locked out then as there is no other password?
[14:51] <Travis-42> mbeierl: I don't know, really. My best guess with my limited understanding is that it seems to be running "gksu" rather than "gksudo" and therefore asking for my "root" password (just like "su -") even though there is no root password to enter
[14:51] <Travis-42> mbeierl: I can use sudo from the command line to launch anything, and gksudo for any gui apps
[14:51] <Travis-42> but if I choose the optional from the System menu, then it prompts for the wrong password
[14:51] <mbeierl> Travis-42: right... same here...  Gotcha
[14:52] <Travis-42> yea, must be a new bug, but not sure what's affecting it
[14:52] <mx> Travis-42: it should ask for the user password
[14:52] <Travis-42> mx: yes, it should, but it's not
[14:53] <mbeierl> Travis-42: what menu entry do you use to show this behaviour - I want to test something?
[14:54] <Mike1> http://at.archive.ubuntu.com is sooooo slow right now
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Mike1:  :) they all are
[14:54] <Travis-42> mbeierl: Synaptic Package Manager, Software Sources, Users and Groups
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> http://northpole.archive.ubuntu.com  perhapss?
[14:54] <Mike1> Dr_Willis: why? hopefully not just because of beta …
[14:54] <Travis-42> mbeierl: but really, every single option that would prompt for a password normally
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Mike1:  because of beta...
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:54] <mbeierl> Travis-42: ok... thanks
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> actually synaptic package manager dosent ask for the password I think.. .so somthing thats launching it is asking.. that may be  a gksu issue then
[14:55] <esters> Hi, I'm trying to get wireless working on Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Li2727, so far without success ( lspci,iwlist,ifconfig,iwconfig output -> http://pastebin.ca/1589499 ) on Ubuntu 9.10 Beta
[14:56] <Dr_Willis> gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic
[14:56] <Mike1> but final will be on a totally different level … how do you want to release it if servers are going down with beta?!
[14:56] <Dr_Willis> Mike1:  thats why i normally wait a week  after its released. :)
[14:58] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yea, gksu is asking for my administrative password, but gksudo is asking for my user password, so it must be gksu itself or some gksu configuration that gets messed up
[14:59] <Travis-42> mbeierl: if you type gksu id at the command prompt for your second user that has the problems, do you get errors?
[14:59] <mbeierl> Travis-42: Nope
[14:59] <Travis-42> hmm, ok, that must be unrelated then...