[00:00] <apachelogger> nice typo though
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> dyslexics untie!
[00:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: drop debian/cdbs from lancelot
[00:03] <kduser> JontheEchidna: That's bad speelers untie!!!
[00:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: libplasma-dev is a dep of kdebase-workspace-dev
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: is that a problem?
[00:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, but one unnecessary dep making the control file crowded :P
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> oh
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> lancelot
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> actually I don't think it is a dep
[00:05] <apachelogger> and that python dep looks strange to me :P
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> it needs python at compile time
[00:05] <apachelogger> why?
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> to do some stuff
[00:05] <apachelogger> cool
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Lancelot is an alternative launcher menu  <--- we already know that from the synopsis :P
[00:06] <Serega> cmoon, apachelogger, I'm on fire to taste the lancelot :)
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> libplasma-dev has Depends: libplasma2 (= 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu5), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.1.0)
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> not kdebase-workspace-dev
[00:06] <apachelogger> read that again :P
[00:06] <apachelogger> apt-cache rdepends libplasma-dev
[00:07] <apachelogger> x depends on y not y on x :P
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> well then how did I have libplasma-dev installed and not kdebase-workspace-dev installed?
[00:07] <apachelogger> remove kdebase-workspace-dev?
[00:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: copying file missing, btw :P
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> noooooo
[00:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: considering it is an svn snapshot you have to provide a get-orig-source target in debian/rules
[00:08] <apachelogger> smarter can help with that
[00:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: app/src/models/Devices.cpp:3: *   Copyright (C) 2007 Robert Knight<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:09] <apachelogger> robert also claims copyright on various files
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: reupped plasmoid-previewer
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: and lancelot
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> they're both there now
[00:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: previewer testbuilt?
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you mean like this: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi/Svn_get-orig-source ?
[00:38] <vorian> evening
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> hi vorian
[00:39] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i'll check out flika
[00:39] <vorian> howdy
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> vorian: If you could, I'd like a second revu on previewer too
[00:39] <vorian> awesome
[00:39] <vorian> and lancelot
[00:40]  * vorian sees JontheEchidna has been busy
[00:40] <vorian> all work
[00:40] <vorian> and no play
[00:40] <vorian> makes Jon a dull boy
[00:40] <vorian> red rum!
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> lancelot still needs a get-orig-source target for debian/rules
[00:42] <vorian> mk
[00:43] <vorian> build twice in a row for the win
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> huh?
[00:47] <vorian> nufink
[00:47] <vorian> pbuilder in intrepid builds 2x
[00:53] <vorian> JontheEchidna: fliker plasmoid uploaded, thanks for your contribution :)
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> kewl
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> woo, my get-orig-source target works
[01:00] <vorian> nixternal: ping
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> vorian: lol @ your hackergotchi
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> looks evil
[01:08] <vorian> haha
[01:08] <vorian> JontheEchidna: it's just a simple chemical fire
[01:08] <vorian> :)
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger, vorian: lancelot ready for revu (has get-original-source target)
[01:12] <vorian> JontheEchidna: awesome!
[01:12]  * vorian is doing a meeting atm, i should be able to give a look see here in a bit
[01:13] <yuriy> wow JontheEchidna is a machine
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> ooh, if we wait until tomorrow we get this theme: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/08/07/lancelot-3in1/
[01:13] <yuriy> I think we got ourselves another Kubuntu robot! and this one is named Jonathan too!
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> heh
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> I did plasmoid-previewer a while back actually
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> just needed some tweaking
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> same with flickr
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> anyway, do you think we should wait until tomorrow for the new lancelot theme? http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/lancelot-41-oxygen.jpg
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> all the Jonathans here are pretty cool people btw
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> but one thing I can't believe is
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> that we all have the same way of spelling "Jonathan"
[02:28] <vorian> JontheEchidna: plasmoid-previewer: extended-description-line-too-long
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> bah
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: need ACK 2.0 on previewer
[02:54] <neversfelde> ryanakca: ping
[03:11] <ryanakca> neversfelde: pong
[06:14]  * Serega yaws
[06:14] <Serega> good morning
[08:19] <jpds> Serega_: Dude...
[08:21] <Serega> jpds: hey
[08:22] <jpds> Having a bad connection day? ;-=
[09:00] <Serega_> jpds: ah, yep, sorry :(
[10:35] <Serega> heya
[12:20] <nixternal> mornin'
[12:22] <Riddell> nixternal: remind me to go to Akademy
[12:23] <nixternal> Riddell: go to akademy :)
[12:23]  * nixternal will be at the next one
[12:23] <nixternal> I am officially and employee now for the company I work, so I have unlimited vacation time just for the free software world :)
[12:24] <Riddell> that sounds like it could be easily abused
[12:24] <nixternal> hehe, but I won't
[12:24] <nixternal> just leaving it open for Akademy and UDS
[12:25]  * Riddell catches a train to Belgium
[12:26] <nixternal> have fun and tell everyone I said hi!
[12:26] <vorian> tot zeins
[12:26] <nixternal> wasabi vorian, you ponged me last night
[12:26] <vorian> and morning too
[12:26] <vorian> uh
[12:27] <vorian> oh, we had a membership meeting last night
[12:27] <nixternal> ya, effie told me
[12:27] <vorian> i was trying to find enough folks
[12:27] <nixternal> hey, if I am not around when there is a meeting, hit me up on IM as that goes to my blackberry
[12:27] <vorian> ok! good to know
[12:27] <nixternal> I was here with IRC open, but was writing code for work and lost track of time
[12:27] <vorian> or if i'm feeling alone, and scared.
[12:28] <vorian> hehe, that's hard to do
[12:28] <nixternal> also you can always hit me up at +1<PHONE_NUMBER> to get my attention
[12:28] <nixternal> lol
[12:28] <vorian> :)
[13:26] <devfil> Riddell: there?
[13:51] <dschulz> hi all
[13:51] <dschulz> does anyone knows when Qt 4.4.1 packages will be available in hardy backports?
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> Woo, Adept bugs are down to 2 pages in Launchpad.
[13:58] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: yay for lower adept bugs :0
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> Once 3.0 hits we'll be able to close maybe 10 more
[14:00] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: That's sorting the duplicates only?
[14:00] <mornfall> I don't get notifications from launchpad, so I have no idea...
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> I've been going through looking for duplicates today
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> everybody and their mom seemed to get the same crash when an update was almost finished
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, current bug count including wishlist items and not including dupes in 150 bugs
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> \o/ another dupe of bug 120076
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> wow, it has 7 dupes now
[14:11] <mornfall> Oh, hm, there's no kdesu in KDE4?
[14:12] <mornfall> Or, where would I find it?
[14:13] <mornfall> Hm, there has to be some.
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> There's a kdesu binary in kdesudo that basically symlinks to kdesudo
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> other than that I can't find any other kdesu binary
[14:20] <mornfall> Yes, there ain't any. It's in a lib only...
[14:51] <allee> Riddell: knetworkmanager did not build.  It ties to copy /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh but in hardy that's now /usr/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh.  AFAIR that a cdbs peace of code that fails.
[14:52] <allee> s/in hardy/in intrpid/
[14:56] <yuriy> mornfall: there is not kdesu in Kubuntu, it's replaced by kdesudo. I'm pretty sure it's still in vanilla kde 4
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately kdesudo + adept3 = borkage
[14:57] <yuriy> maybe tonio can help with that?
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> yeah, haven't been able to get a hold of him though
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> but it really needs to be done in order to prevent stuff like bug 203331
[15:01]  * JontheEchidna got bit by that one back when he was newish to ubuntu
[15:02] <nixternal> work is so much fun on a friday
[15:02] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[15:02]  * Hobbsee points and clicks on nixternal
[15:02]  * nixternal reboots
[15:03]  * Hobbsee double clicks
[15:03]  * nixternal blue screens
[15:03] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[15:03]  * Hobbsee tripple clicks
[15:04]  * nixternal catches fires
[15:04] <Hobbsee> so, why do people want to use vista again?
[15:04]  * Hobbsee clicks and drags nixternal into the trash.
[15:04] <nixternal> it makes a great space heater in the winter
[15:05] <nixternal> no more windows for me, except for XP in VirtualBox so I can smoke test our WebDav software before releasing it to QA
[15:05] <nixternal> luckely I can do 99.9% of the WebDav smoke tests with cadaver though
[15:05] <Hobbsee> hurrah!
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> being a pointy-clicky XP lover would suck
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> not as much as being a vistalover though :P
[15:06] <nixternal> Windows XP is better than Linux any day of the week
[15:06] <nixternal> Vista is even better
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:07]  * nixternal runs
[15:07]  * Hobbsee contacts the tech board
[15:07] <nixternal> hahahaha
[15:07] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:07] <nixternal> I haven't been using my core-dev powers much, but I shall start back up very soon :)
[15:07] <Hobbsee> hah
[15:07] <Hobbsee> you wish!  :P
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> oooh, new lancelot theme is spiffy
[15:11] <ScottK> nixternal: I hear the .NET installer works in WINE now, so you should be more comfortable with the Linux thing you may have heard about.
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> grr, darn photobucket
[15:15]  * allee soon has a knetworkmanger patch for nixternal so he can exersise he core-dev power eventually again
[15:16] <allee> eh, lintian does not like knetworkmanger :(
[15:16] <nixternal> ScottK: I will have to try hat :P
[15:17] <nixternal> allee: nothing likes knetworkmangler :P
[15:17] <allee> :)
[15:19]  * JontheEchidna wants the nm plasmoid
[15:20] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: have you tried it?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> nope, which is why I want it :P
[15:22] <allee> nixternal: quick and dirty 'only fix FTBFS' for knetworkmanger:  http://paste.debian.net/14234
[15:25] <nixternal> yay, I wanted to watch the olympics on my computer, but I need silverlight :/
[15:25] <jjesse> yay
[15:25] <jjesse> that's what vmware is for :)
[15:25] <nixternal> I have XP in VirtualBox, but I have the sound disabled
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> boycott teh olympics!1!!
[15:25] <nixternal> haha
[15:25] <nixternal> my buddy said this to me last night "I am boycotting the Olympics by not participating"
[15:25] <Hobbsee> or watch it on a real box?
[15:26] <nixternal> he is a big dude, so it was quite hillarious
[15:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: don't have a real box here at my desk at work :(
[15:27] <jjesse> sling box it :)
[15:29] <allee> tonio
[15:29]  * JontheEchidna has to reset router
[15:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: previewer uploaded
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> cool, thx
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> new upload of lancelot should hit revu soonish
[15:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: including COPYING?
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> nope
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> but I do have a get-orig-source target
[15:46] <apachelogger> cool
[15:46] <vorian> JontheEchidna: just fyi, lancelot ftb (with the glorious pbulider 2x)
[15:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what's with toggle-compositing and emailnotify on revu?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: KDE 4.1 incompatible
[15:46] <apachelogger> vorian: did you rerevu monkeystudio yet?
[15:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: archiving then
[15:47] <vorian> yes, also ftb with pbuilder 2x
[15:47] <vorian> i memo'd drebellion the buildlog
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> vorian: got any logs as to why it ftbfs?
[15:47] <vorian> JontheEchidna: sure, hold please
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> ok, :P
[15:48] <apachelogger> vorian: he's in the us for the next 3 weeks or something
[15:48] <vorian> arrgh
[15:48] <apachelogger> vorian: what is the status of kio-ftps?
[15:48] <vorian> no word from upstream
[15:48] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:48] <vorian> i say we make it a intrepid+1 target
[15:49] <apachelogger> we don't have any ftps slave in intrepid then :S
[15:49] <vorian> unless you want me to change some things around
[15:50] <apachelogger> well
[15:50] <apachelogger> you could just add the LGPL
[15:50] <vorian> yeah, repackage it
[15:50] <apachelogger> and from my POV - if upstream doesn't declare his copyrights properly they just don't have any
[15:51] <apachelogger> maybe mention him as tarball publisher or something
[15:51] <vorian> repack it, send it to upstream with a bill for $100
[15:51] <vorian> apachelogger: had a chance to peek at origami?
[15:51] <apachelogger> depends on the time you need, doesn't it :P
[15:52] <apachelogger> vorian: I just got home
[15:52] <vorian> ah, welcome home :)
[15:52] <vorian> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/35559/
[15:52] <vorian> the thing to note is the second build
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> blah, pythonl.....
[15:53] <apachelogger> vorian: please drop me the monkey buildlog
[15:53] <vorian> kk
[15:53] <jpds> Hmm, Olympics.
[15:54] <vorian> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/34974/
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so the python files that Lancelot generates during install aren't being deleted...
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> this is going to be a pain...
[15:54] <vorian> JontheEchidna: use don't compress in rules
[15:55]  * vorian must run to work!
[15:55] <vorian> see ya tonight
[15:55] <apachelogger> vorian: origami doesn't need a 2nd revu
[15:55] <apachelogger> it's a package update apaprently
[15:55] <apachelogger> *apparently
[15:55] <vorian> hmm?
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I'm using cdbs
[15:56] <apachelogger> vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/35560/
[15:56] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you can still use a rule to avoid compressing python
[15:56] <apachelogger> new versions only need a sponsor
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> how would I do that?
[15:56] <apachelogger> and
[15:56] <vorian> apachelogger: it's not in ubuntu
[15:57] <vorian> sigh
[15:57] <apachelogger> ah
[15:57] <apachelogger> then this changelog is wrong
[15:57] <apachelogger> completely
[15:57] <vorian> he packager is also the upstream
[15:57] <vorian> the*
[15:57] <vorian> i've told him to keep seperate changelogs
[15:57] <apachelogger> yeah, strange thing is he patches his own software :P
[15:58] <vorian> anyway, got to run
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know how I can avoid compressing those python binaries?
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> in debian/rules?
[16:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: CDBS?
[16:02] <dschulz> does anyone knows when Qt 4.4.1 packages will be available in hardy backports?
[16:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If so, DEB_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE := .py
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[17:36] <thefish> after latest upgrade, i got errors trying to log in. this was because /home did not mount. It couldnt mount because fsck was running on the lv, reporting it as busy - are disk checks put into the background now?
[17:37] <thefish> and with that... :)
[18:12] <smarter> JontheEchidna: if you still need a help for a get-orig-source/svn see for example guidance-power-manager's debian/rules which has  both
[18:12] <smarter> and, hi everyone (:
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> smarter: nope, I got it by myself + google ;)
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> <3 google
[18:13] <smarter> ok, cool
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> but thanks for the offer to help all the same
[18:28] <smarter> yw ;)
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> man, get-orig-source is handy
[18:56] <dschulz> does anyone knows when Qt 4.4.1 packages will be available in hardy backports?
[21:13] <yuriy> nixternal: any part of your job making printing PDFs on RHEL not suck?
[21:14] <yuriy> my solution: printing in Okular to a dumber pdf, and printing that from RHEL
[21:14] <nixternal> nope, everything here is "server based"
[21:14] <nixternal> yay for me...I have written 1,300 lines of Python in less than 6 hours
[21:17] <yuriy> f = file('lotsofcode.py','w'); f.write('\#!/usr/bin/python'); for i in range(1300): f.write('pass\n')
[21:17] <yuriy> f.close()
[21:17] <jtechidna> lol
[21:54] <apachelogger> we need an entertainment system
[22:36] <apachelogger>     *  kde-nightly-kdepimlibs-dbg_20080808+svn844125-0neon1_i386.deb  (22.3 MiB)
[22:36]  * apachelogger is getting somewhere
[22:45] <Dekans> on hardy with kde 3.5.9, I cannot choose the system to reboot on in the extinction menu in KDE
[22:45] <Dekans> if i choose windows for example, in the list of the reset option, nothing happens
[22:45] <Dekans> with 'escape' i come back to the desktop
[22:45] <Dekans> but cannot log off anymore
[22:45] <Dekans> I have to kill X
[22:46] <Dekans> but the reset selection works well in KDM
[22:46] <Dekans> I cannt choose to reboot on windows, and the PC starts reboot well
[22:46] <Dekans> rebooting*
[22:46] <apachelogger> #kubuntu for support
[22:47] <Dekans> I remember this issus has been solved in a former release of kubuntu
[22:47] <Dekans> it's not a config problem, I really this it's a bug
[22:47] <Dekans> really think*
[22:49] <apachelogger> report a bug then
[22:49] <apachelogger> or
[22:49] <apachelogger> actually reopen the old one
[22:50] <Dekans> yes I'll o
[22:50] <Dekans> do
[22:52]  * apachelogger pokes jtechidna with bug 95481
[22:52] <apachelogger> that one is k-d-s
[22:52] <apachelogger> the kubuntu metabar theme is b0rked
[22:52] <apachelogger> not kdebase
[22:52] <apachelogger> please move it back
[22:52] <jtechidna> ah, ok. My bad
[22:53] <jtechidna> I should have read more carefully
[22:54] <Dekans> apachelogger: wich package should it be ? kdebase ?
[22:56] <jtechidna> kubuntu-default-settings
[22:56] <jtechidna> I just moved it back
[22:59] <jtechidna> oh, unless you were talking about a different bug
[22:59] <jtechidna> nevermind
[23:00] <Dekans> I was
[23:00] <Dekans> I just put kdebase
[23:07] <jtechidna> brb
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> wow, new bugs in LP are down to 48%


 :-D
[09:38] <lornajane> can anyone remember how late the devrooms usually run?  I'm not sure how many slots I should fill
[09:39] <JamesTait> 40 years to the day since Apollo 17 landed on the moon!
[09:41] <gord> sounds like something czajkowski might know
[09:43] <czajkowski> lornajane: what do you mean  ?
[09:43] <czajkowski> late?
[09:44] <lornajane> czajkowski: well some of last year's schedule seem to run til like 7pm, which seems late to me
[09:45] <czajkowski> lornajane: oh right yes the day is long used to be 6pm
[09:45] <czajkowski> but I think that was room constraints
[09:45] <czajkowski> lornajane: if you ask in #fosdem on freenode they'll help
[09:45] <lornajane> czajkowski: okay, I will do that.  Thanks!  I figured the people here are my best overlap with fosdem
[09:45] <lornajane> so excited that I get to go this year - Kevin's coming with me, and we had some nice submissions for the PHP room
[09:46] <czajkowski> I LOVE FOSDEM!
[09:50] <lornajane> czajkowski: I've been to froscon, but not fosdem, really looking forward to it
[09:50] <lornajane> I did oscon last year and all the europeans talked about fosdem so I decided I couldn't miss it!
[10:16] <daubers> daftykins: ?
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:29] <Laney> ♥ bourbons
[10:31] <JohnRobert> hello
[11:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:29] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: on for Thursday?
[11:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: I was going to ask around today, I am, but it is getting hold of moreati so I think a trip to the twittersphere
[11:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: tweet tweeting
[12:33] <popey> yo
[12:40] <JohnRobert> word
[12:41] <davmor2> up
[12:44] <davmor2> Wii wish ewe a merry christmas, there's something about this song doesn't feel right, I think it is sung by carboot enthusiasts  :D
[13:14] <popey> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[13:15] <JohnRobert> cool
[14:54] <czajkowski> Join us in 15 minutes (15:00 UTC) on ubuntuonair.com when we talk to Iain Lane ubuntu and debian hacker
[14:54] <czajkowski> for those who want to see Laney in action
[14:54] <Laney> ¬_¬
[14:55] <czajkowski> Laney: just sharing :)
[14:56] <Laney> heh
[14:56] <davmor2> whose this iain lane bloke, should we know him?
[14:56] <davmor2> :D
[15:00] <directhex> has anyone seen debconf being all weird & green before?
[15:01] <davmor2> Laney: good luck dude have a blast :)
[15:18] <Daviey> Laney: I love your jumper.
[15:20] <Azelphur> just listened to a hilarious call from my brother to sky
[15:20] <Azelphur> "Does your block of flats have less than 6 or more than 6 flats"
[15:20] <Azelphur> "No"
[15:21] <Azelphur> rinse and repeat a few times before they got the idea
[15:21] <Azelphur> xD
[16:03] <Laney> Daviey: merci
[16:04] <Laney> I asked for a Christmas jumper and that's wot I got
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> powers to monitor email and internet use need a "fundamental rethink", Nick Clegg says.
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> agreed...
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> I'll do the re-work for them [cheap]
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> ...change the word "needed" to "not needed"!
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> ...change the word "required" to "not wanted"
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> ...change the word "monitoring" to "offensive intrusion".
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> ...that'll be £10,000 for the consultancy, Mr. Clegg!
[16:12] <BigRedS> Anyone know the 'standard' means of adding vhosts to apache in CentOS etc., in lieu of a sites-available/sites-enabled setup?
[16:12] <BigRedS> I know I can stick it anywhere, but the next guy to look at this server might know where I live
[16:14] <SuperMatt> I guess you just do what feels right :/
[16:14] <SuperMatt> I know it loads everything from conf.d so you could stick something in there
[16:14] <SuperMatt> that's what subversion did automatically
[16:15] <BigRedS> what feels right rarely involves centos :)
[16:16] <SuperMatt> well no
[16:16] <SuperMatt> I happen to agree with you there
[16:16] <SuperMatt> seems a bit weird that redhat hasn't picked up the whole "stick the enabled sites into the sites-enabled folder" but I think I know why
[16:17] <SuperMatt> debian likes to separate config files into "system" stuff and then the stuff the user is likely to modify
[16:17] <SuperMatt> this means when there is an update, the system stuff may get changed, but the user stuff doesn't
[16:17] <SuperMatt> but redhat doesn't really get *upgraded* from one version to another
[16:18] <SuperMatt> once your redhat box is running, it just sits there until you get a new one
[16:18] <SuperMatt> at which point you just copy your old config across
[16:18] <SuperMatt> so just one config file is fine
[16:19] <BigRedS> the sites-enabled/sites-available thing does annoy puppet types
[16:19] <SuperMatt> I'll bet it does
[16:19] <BigRedS> but it's brilliant for automating things in shared hosting environments
[16:20] <SuperMatt> indeed
[16:23] <SuperMatt> I think it's silly that red hat changes the bloody names of things too
[16:23] <SuperMatt> oh apache2 is too complicated to remember
[16:24] <SuperMatt> it's gotta be httpd
[16:24] <SuperMatt> despite the fact that mysqld, postgresqld etc all keep their names
[16:24] <SuperMatt> who knows, maybe in redhat 7, mysql will be called databased
[16:34]  * Azelphur just ordered BT Infinity 2 - 76mbit
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: *yawn* :P
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: not 100/100? :)
[16:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: unfortunately not :(
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: just come to the right side of the water ;)
[16:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> Anyone know of a way to shorten the time a "notification" in Unity displays itself?  Hunted in dconf, sys settings etc all to no avail.
[17:05] <SuperEngineer> [in 12.04]
[17:07] <SuperMatt> SuperEngineer: I don't think it's possible because I think the app controls how long it's there fore
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> SuperMatt: that's what feared... thanks
[17:23] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: it is hackable
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: ooo, go on - givus a clue pretty please
[17:25] <AlanBell> just having a gander at timings.c
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> ah hah!
[17:25] <SuperEngineer> me likey
[17:27] <AlanBell> the time they stay there is complicated
[17:27] <AlanBell> there is a scheduled duration, a max duration and conditions that extend the timing
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: And space is big. Really big.
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is.
[17:27] <AlanBell> space is somewhere in which thing can be big
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> cheers AlanBell
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: not if you have an infinite motion drive!
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: sure, or no mass.
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: but as I have neither..
[17:28] <AlanBell> ok, it is in defaults.c
[17:29] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~notify-osd-developers/notify-osd/main/view/head:/src/defaults.c#L148
[17:29] <AlanBell> right there
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: looking at that now
[17:31] <AlanBell> it is a hard coded bunch of stuff that complies with startling precision to the design team specification
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> configurability > compiled-in constants
[17:32] <AlanBell> this is all part of the "one true design" thing
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> The Thousand-Year Design?
[17:33] <AlanBell> something like that
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> One Design to Rule them All?
[17:33]  * SuperEngineer loves the line "#define DEFAULT_GRAVITY"
[17:33] <AlanBell> all the constants are defined in one place, I suspect the design team didn't want them in dconf
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: is it set to 9.8?
[17:33] <AlanBell> nope, NORTH_EAST I expect
[17:34] <AlanBell> they also implemented EAST
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> nah! nor 4,4so obviously never been to my planet  ;)
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nah, I suspect it was a last-minute rush job, so constants are easier
[17:34] <AlanBell> but no other ordinals because the design specification didn't call for notifications to be anywhere else
[17:34] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: nope, it wasn't
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: they never bothered to change it because nobody asked and just before release, there wasn't time
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> (cynical? me? nah!)
[17:35] <AlanBell> no, this was unconfigurable by design, the jaunty-notification design specified the number of seconds for notifications, deviation from the design wasn't really allowed at all
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> Neither was focus-follows-mouse
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> it still exists
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> we *will* not tolerate any deviation from the design!
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> you will *not* complain
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> resistance is futile?
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> well - I resist!
[17:40] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I implemented focus-follows-mouse but oh so easy to give away a ppassword if not careful
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: password-asking apps should grab the focus if they need it
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> agreed! what is needed for focus is "focus-to-latest-dialogue" [or whatever it is called]
[17:42] <marsilainen_> hi, is there a way to turn off the message that gets displayed (around once a day?) telling me that the version of Ubuntu I'm using is out of support? (11.04)
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> [as per can be implemented in, sorry for the swear word, WinXp]
[17:45] <jacobw> evening
[17:47] <davmor2> marsilainen_: disconnect from the internet possibly.  other than that not that I am aware of.
[17:48] <marsilainen_> hmmm :/
[17:48] <marsilainen_> I want to do the upgrade, but I don't have the time to risk it ATM
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> marsilainen_: in update manager - is there not the option to turn off such notifications?
[17:48] <marsilainen_> so it's likely to be a few weeks before I get the chance
[17:49] <marsilainen_> and it's a MythTV front-end box so a little annoying
[17:51] <SuperEngineer> marsilainen_: sorry - didn't realise you were using Myth - don't know about that
[17:51] <marsilainen_> I think it's still using the same update manager
[17:51] <marsilainen_> I will check the settings, maybe I missed something
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> marsilainen_: then try setting "notify me for..." to "never"???
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> ['m only guessing btw]
[17:54] <jacobw> upgrading is not a risk
[17:58] <SuperEngineer> In case anyone ever doubts their instincts, have a quick fable on me:
[17:59] <SuperEngineer> when you suspect a thermistor in a boiler has failed - don't change the thermocouple just because you can't find the thermistor!
[17:59] <marsilainen_> jacobw: staying on the 11.04 release is a risk (no more security updates etc) but upgrading is a risk surely - are you saying that no-one encounters issues when they upgrade?
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> heating engr arrived today, certified & congratulated work on thermocouple
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> told him my suspicions...
[18:01] <jacobw> marsilainen_: i thought you meant apt-get upgrade
[18:01] <SuperEngineer> he pointed to excatly where the thermistor was and proved I was right :(  doh!
[18:01] <jacobw> marsilainen_: have you tried a live environment yet?
[18:01] <davmor2> marsilainen_: open software-sources, open the updates tab, change notify about new ubuntu versions to never.  that's about the only thing I can see to suggest you may still get bugged about it though
[18:02] <jacobw> or `sudo do-release-upgrade` :)
[18:02] <davmor2> marsilainen_: also once on precise you are on an lts so you will have at least 2 years before you are bugged again
[18:03] <marsilainen_> jacobw: well I guess even that has some risks (though I agree fairly low) but I'll be upgrading through a few releases (to 12.04). This is something I want to do in a few weeks when I have the time to test with a live version and backup first etc so just looking to stop nags for a few weeks
[18:03] <marsilainen_> davmor2: thanks, I've just done that - wasn't clear if it will stop them or not but worth a try
[18:04] <marsilainen_> and yes, will get it onto LTS and I believe that the future mythbuntu plan is to stick to LTS releases only from now
[18:04] <davmor2> marsilainen_: the other thing you can do is change the daily to weekly then you are only bugged once a week rather than daily
[18:04] <jacobw> marsilainen_: you don't have to upgrade through releases to keep your home directory, if you do an install without formating the home filesystem the installer will leave it intact
[18:05] <marsilainen_> jacobw: I understand that the upgrade should work fine and I want to do it, but I don't want to do it right now as I don't want to risk breaking things
[18:05] <marsilainen_> I realise that likely there will be no probalems
[18:05] <marsilainen_> but if there are problems I don't have time to fix them right now
[18:05] <jacobw> marsilainen_: that's sensible :)
[18:05] <marsilainen_> and I don't want to be without a working TV setup until I have time to fix them
[18:06] <marsilainen_> I'm totally reliant on MythTV for all TV watching for the last year and a half now
[20:03] <stevepdp> evening all
[21:08] <jacobw> until the end of the 18th century the majority of books were written in Latin.
[21:08] <jacobw> sorry, i genuinely have no idea how i just pasted that
[21:10] <AlanBell> the internet would be a much more civilized place if it was all in latin :)
[21:13] <dutchie> ita vero
[21:13]  * jacobw →  sleep
[21:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> AlanBell, E Veritate Potens .. althou. solarcloud_3scrn has said this before .... :)
[21:27] <RaycisCharles> AlanBell: or people had to use their real names...
[21:27]  * RaycisCharles stares at AlanBell
[21:28] <AlanBell> actually people are mostly cool with being obnoxious under their real names, they are on Facebook
[21:32] <neuro> Si omnes coactus lingua Latina uti, omnia quae ventura est augmentum in traffic ad Google Translate.
[21:34] <neuro> Multus magis vertitis a Monty Python.
[21:34] <neuro> (that one didn't quite work)
[21:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> Latin .. the only 'tin' is on my kitchen cabinet  .. it keeps the teabags from going off :)
[21:46] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone here tonight ??
[21:53] <popey> maybe
[21:55] <Laney> time for christmas shopping
[21:59]  * Laney runs outside to chase squirrels
[22:03] <Ruint> i'm here
[22:03] <Ruint> XD
[22:05] <Laney> instead i got distracted by watching simpsons clips on youtube
[22:05] <Laney> http://youtu.be/JcSUWP0QNeY
[22:05] <Ruint> is everyone here actually british ?
[22:05] <AlanBell> no, but this is a UK focussed channel
[22:05] <Ruint> o
[22:06] <AlanBell> everyone is welcome
[22:06] <Ruint> apart from the 27 people in the banlist, i assume
[22:07] <AlanBell> naturally
[22:09] <Laney> Ruint: Complete the following sentences to determine whether you can stay.  Pip ___. Tally __. When I see a queue I (a) join it, regardless of where it goes (b) ignore it and go straight to the front. Damn those fools waiting in line. And tell us the second verse of the national anthem.
[22:10] <Ruint> nobody knows the second verse, we're just aware it's humourously anti-scottish
[22:11] <Ruint> i don't like tea; pip-squeak, tally-ho, join queue
[22:11] <Ruint> it's not my fault i don't like tea, don't judge me :9
[22:11] <Ruint> :(
[22:11] <AlanBell> I would have gone for pip pip, but pip-squeak works too
[22:12] <Ruint> Laney: i normally ask people 'what is your impression of go-compare's tv adverts'
[22:12] <Laney> you mean that there are people who like them?
[22:12] <Ruint> no
[22:12] <Ruint> THAT FFFFKNG OPERA SINGERDFSDFF
[22:13] <Ruint> is the standard response
[22:13]  * Laney approves of that
[22:13] <Ruint> http://realcitizenshiptest.co.uk/quiz.php?n=1 works too
[22:14] <Ruint> i have a uk focused channel too, so i'm more used to asking than i am being asked
[22:18] <AlanBell> 9/10.
[22:18] <AlanBell> I got the Greece one wrong apparently
[22:18] <Ruint> o
[22:18] <Ruint> i only got 7/10
[22:19] <Laney> HAH. TEN.
[22:19] <Ruint> :(
[22:28] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey Et All..,Oh people are here !
[22:28] <Ruint> yup
[22:29]  * Laney scoffs bourbons
[22:29] <solarcloud_3scrn> I was just looking at the Manx Tax sharing agreements.. Perhaps MrShuttleworth will be leaving soon , dunno.
[22:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone tried Tong lately ? http://www.nongnu.org/tong/
[22:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android geting there ..
[22:43] <solarcloud_3scrn> Awesome !! https://plus.google.com/108929111533659263063/posts/Ro6eSCPy5JL
[22:47] <solarcloud_3scrn> ... everyon'e gone again .
[22:47]  * solarcloud_3scrn checks his breath.
[22:49] <solarcloud_3scrn> oh BTW Fosted shredded wheat is on sale again in Tesco for 70p a pack !
[22:49]  * solarcloud_3scrn bought 12 boxes today, alone !
[22:50] <solarcloud_3scrn> **that is Frosted Shredded Wheat...
[23:02] <Ruint> that's a lot of wheat
[23:02] <RaycisCharles> solarcloud_3scrn, that's good value.
[23:03] <RaycisCharles> Is it a 500g pack though?
[23:03] <Ruint> depends on the box sixe
[23:03] <Ruint> you must be a veritable shit machine
[23:03]  * solarcloud_3scrn is looking in kitchen ..
[23:03] <Ruint> so much wholegrain cereal
[23:03] <solarcloud_3scrn> yep it's 500g A-OK .. !!
[23:04] <Ruint> might invest in that
[23:04] <Ruint> do they stil have terrys chocolate oranges £2.98 buy one get two free?
[23:04] <solarcloud_3scrn> good thing is .. is that you can have it in snacks without milk ..
[23:04] <solarcloud_3scrn> yep, its that good !
[23:05] <Ruint> solarcloud_3scrn: that's true, but the king of snack cereal is those oat cluster things
[23:05] <solarcloud_3scrn> they do those too..
[23:05] <solarcloud_3scrn> but they cost 50p a pack more ... :(
[23:06]  * solarcloud_3scrn noticed some packs of cereal that cost a whoping £4.50 today .. like WTF ?
[23:06] <Ruint> mm jordan's country crisp
[23:06] <Ruint> o
[23:06] <solarcloud_3scrn> it's just energy to e .
[23:06] <Ruint> tesco finest granola stuff ?
[23:06] <solarcloud_3scrn> **me.
[23:07] <Ruint> i think the price point only exists because enough people are dumb enough to buy it
[23:07] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. cant remember the 4-50 stuff but i think it was a kelloggs brand .
[23:07] <Ruint> if you put a premium product in a category that didn't have one, 205 of people will buy it to feel good about themselves
[23:07] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. eah, some people are dumb, tru.
[23:07] <Ruint> 20% ^
[23:08] <solarcloud_3scrn> ~~**yeah , sorry new keyboard.
[23:08] <neuro> welcome to #ubuntu-cereal
[23:09] <Ruint> :(
[23:09] <solarcloud_3scrn> it's a reality series !!
[23:09] <Ruint> if it's not an appropriate topic
[23:09] <Ruint> i can steal everyone away to my channel
[23:09] <Ruint> but advertising is likely frowned upon
[23:10] <solarcloud_3scrn> ok , point taken.
[23:10] <RaycisCharles> I'm eating Asda Fruit n' Fibre right now.
[23:10] <RaycisCharles> Ruint, unless you own ##cereal, we're not interested.
[23:11] <solarcloud_3scrn> hash-cereal .. what is that a Seattle brand ?
[23:11] <RaycisCharles> solarcloud_3scrn: I bought 12 boxes of these: http://quaker.co.uk/products/oat-so-simple-kids-will-love
[23:11]  * solarcloud_3scrn patents hash-cereal-bars idea.
[23:11] <Ruint> RaycisCharles: nope :(
[23:12] <solarcloud_3scrn> Wow that link is a bit scary .. is it past the watershed yet ?
[23:15] <Ruint> i normally have a flapjack for breakfast
[23:15] <Ruint> cereal is too time consuming
[23:16] <Ruint> read the metro on the train, eat a flapjack
[23:16] <Ruint> perfect breakfast
[23:16] <RaycisCharles> That's so Scottish.
[23:16] <RaycisCharles> Take it to #ubuntu-scotland
[23:16] <Ruint> but i'm english
[23:16] <Ruint> they were talking about porridge
[23:16] <Ruint> you were
[23:16] <Ruint> even
[23:17] <Ruint> i bet you eat it with salt
[23:17] <Ruint> freak :(
[23:18] <RaycisCharles> Ask not what your oatmeal can do for you, but what you can do for your oatmeal.
[23:18] <Ruint> suggest comic ideas?
[23:18] <Ruint> (theoatmeal)
[23:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> Ruint, Flapjack is for evening !! I make a flapjack mix of microwaved butter (Kerry) , brown sugar and a small amount of Oats in a bowl = flapjack mix !! I always sleep well.
[23:19] <Ruint> o
[23:21] <Ruint> http://www.higatesltd.co.uk/oatsatisfy/?q=oat-bar-almonds-brazils-cranberries-sultanas-topped-dark-chocolate-flavour-coating
[23:21] <Ruint> with a can of sugar free energy drink
[23:21]  * solarcloud_3scrn reaches for his last rollie of the day.(with three filters).
[23:21] <Ruint> is the breakfast of kings
[23:21] <Ruint> you have to try it to believe it
[23:23] <solarcloud_3scrn> maybe , but porridge last you all day .. although it does take skill to make a good bowl :)
[23:24] <solarcloud_3scrn> I bought 1 packs of Oats (Scottish) last month aswell.
[23:24] <solarcloud_3scrn> **10 packs
[23:25] <solarcloud_3scrn> Actually, I am still looking for a service that scans in all of your/my receipts so I can keep them on my computer .. any ideas ?
[23:25] <solarcloud_3scrn> apparently, it is common-place in america.
[23:26] <solarcloud_3scrn> (must be located in U.K., obviously)
[23:29] <Ruint> solarcloud_3scrn: your bank may reccomend one that they will export your financial info to
[23:30] <Ruint> or at least provide a list of the ones they're compatible with
[23:30] <solarcloud_3scrn> Ruint, I just want digital copies of reciepts that is all.
[23:30] <Ruint> o
[23:30] <Ruint> no idea
[23:31] <solarcloud_3scrn> errr, Ok.
[23:31] <RaycisWithChild> I heard 13.04 will let you buy children from China.
[23:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> RaycisWithChild, interesting, but relevant ?
[23:37] <solarcloud_3scrn> https://plus.google.com/communities/110114451726939312635   ::: Looks a good effort.
[23:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> & there is always .. https://plus.google.com/communities/118373692530226998936
[23:48] <solarcloud_3scrn> nightie night all.


[19:51] <Torikun> anyone can help me with my Ubuntu x86_64 does not detect 8GB of memory and just 1 x 4 GB DIMM? The BIOS reports 8GB total. Os only detects 4GB
[19:52] <akk> I probably can't, but one obvious question is does the bios see all 8G?
[19:52] <Torikun> Yes
[21:31] <nhaines> jono: No pressure, but I was just wondering if there's a planned date for Mir to hit saucy?
[21:32] <jono> nhaines, I believe by the end of the month
[21:32] <nhaines> Thanks, jono.  I want to do some testing with it on a live CD and if there's one thing live environments don't like...  ;)
[21:33] <nhaines> Doesn't seem as much fun to do it in a virtual machine.  :(
[21:35]  * nhaines diverts planned Mir test time back to Kerbal Space Program.
[21:36] <nhaines> Ironically enough.  :P
[22:21] <pleia2> nhaines: heh, it's not for the faint of heart as it stands now, I've tried to install it using Olli's docs and it just fails and boots me into regular xorg
[22:21] <pleia2> not even using proprietary drivers
[22:52] <nhaines> pleia2: yeah, that's why it's all live CDs for me.  :)
[23:37] <MarkDude> Dawning of new technology, Wayland is lagging behind on where its supposed to be. I'm willing to bet Unity will continue to have folks enjoy it. I recently read about how its being adopted. Healthy for FOSS :)
[23:39] <MarkDude> 10 Distros so far, and it will keep growing. For those keeping score at home - I said at last UDS Unity will be something I will gladly purchase on TV or possibly a phone
[23:54] <rww> MarkDude: Do you have a list of those distros?
[23:56] <rww> I expect that Wayland taking a while is because when Wayland got started, there was a bunch of work that needed doing before it could get going, e.g. in the upstream Linux kernel. Some of the graphics improvements like KMS we've had relatively recently in Linuxland seem to be very useful to Wayland (and other graphics stuff, including I expect Mir, though I haven't looked at the Mir code to see).
[23:57] <rww> That said, I'm looking forward to playing with Wayland and KDE in the coming months.
[23:58] <rww> pleia2: leaving for Ubuntu Hour now :)


[05:19] <bps> i have a realtek nic (lspci: https://dpaste.de/MZXfY/ ) that silently stops working after use, and i found a patch that worked ( https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/8/28 ) only the fix doesn't appear to be in the kernel: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/ethernet/realtek/r8169.c#n4192
[10:37]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[12:55] <skaet> rtg,  for Alpha 1 are there any highlights that should be mentioned with the current kernel version?
[12:56] <skaet> rtg_, ^
[12:56] <rtg_> skaet, you're still on a 3.9 kernel, right ?
[12:59] <rtg_> https://www.linux.com/news/software/linux-kernel/716624-6-key-new-features-in-linux-39
[12:59] <rtg_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2MDU
[13:00] <skaet> rtg_, The Alpha 1 Saucy Salamander snapshot includes the <IP_ADDRESS> Ubuntu Linux kernel which is based on the the upstream v3.9.7 Linux kernel.
[13:00] <skaet> or at least that's my understanding.
[13:00] <rtg_> that is true
[13:06] <rtg_> apw, note that, when next you rebase saucy, there will be  a conflict against drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/alx (which was just merged in Linus' repo)
[13:06] <skaet> rtg_,  if there's nothing specific that the kernel team wants to highlight, will choose a couple of highlights from those links then
[13:07] <rtg_> apw: I had been carrying a linux-next patch for that
[13:07] <rtg_> skaet, thats fine with me. 3.9 was temporary. we're ultimately gonna end up on 3.11
[13:07] <skaet> rtg_, gotcha.  thanks
[13:28] <apw> rtg_, ack thanks
[13:36] <apw> rtg_, i did an upload on manta today to disable aa by default; seems they have no control over the command line in that boot loader [sigh].  something to keep in mind
[13:36] <rtg_> apw, ack, saw that
[14:24] <ppisati> brb
[14:52] <Kano> hi, can somebody update linux-firmware against firmware.git
[17:22]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[21:45] <infinity> smb: Your current linux-ec2 appears to have two changes beyond just the rebase.  You want to go about verifying that those do what you wanted them to do, and set the verification testing task on the tracking bug so it can progress?


[09:23] <LocutusOfBorg> hi cjwatson did the gemrb demote to multiverse fail? I still don't see it migrating
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, what is missing to see liquidsoap migrate? I'm honestly lost in the ocaml stuff
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW with liquidsoap and gemrb migrated, I think we are good wrt libpng12 removal
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> everything else seems false positive (libpng-dev | libpng12-dev in b-d)
[10:06] <mapreri> Depends: liquidsoap yojson (not considered)
[10:06] <mapreri> which is because of 'Depends: yojson biniou (not considered)'
[10:06] <mapreri> which is because of 'autopkgtest for botch 0.16-2ubuntu2: ppc64el: Regression ♻ , s390x: Regression ♻'
[10:06] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#biniou is your friend.
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, but botch is utterly broken, also in debian
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> I saw that, but I guess some force-hints seems needed
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> or demote
[10:10] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: then why do you came here with "why liquidsoap doesn't migrate" instead of asking for a kick for src:biniou directly? :)
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg> because I don't feel good in giving orders, I like to mask them under a stupid question :)
[10:11] <mapreri> :>
[10:19] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: oh right, need to do it in yakkety-proposed as well as yakkety.  done
[10:20] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks! I was wondering about how long would it take to be effective :)
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please help hunspell migrate? I think goldendict failing on s390x is the only reason for it not migrating
[10:21] <cjwatson> half an hour or so, bit longer for the proposed-migration cycle
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> but it is broken in debian too
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, nope, I was wondering that before asking again today, not now :)
[11:53] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: What "help" were you hoping for?  You could help it by fixing goldendict...
[11:56] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: If it's a helpful hint, the failure doesn't look to be s390x-specific, but rather 64-bit-big-endian (sparc64 failed the same way, and ppc64 probably would if it had been attempted)
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, is adding a cast https://sources.debian.net/src/goldendict/1.5.0%7Egit20160508.g92b5485-1/ripemd.cc/#L176
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> a reasonable solution?
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for the *useful* hint, I didn't think about 64 bits
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I excluded BE because others were fin
[12:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm testing on a debian porterbox
[12:38] <LocutusOfBorg> well, count is uint64_t, I can't cast to 32 bits
[12:51] <LocutusOfBorg> forwarded upstream
[13:00] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, I guess it is a qt issue, because on debian/s390x is building now fine
[13:12] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: The last build log disagrees.  Or did you just try on a porter?
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, I tried in a Debian porterbox and asked a give back on debian buildd
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure why ubuntu failed again
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> the qt4 stuff is mostly in sync
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> do you want to see a build?
[13:21] <LocutusOfBorg> zelenka.debian.org has an ongoing build
[13:24] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Different qt versions between the last Debian failure and your recent attempt?
[13:24] <infinity> Not that I see much interesting in the qt4-x11 changelog.
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> exactly, even symbols file arent showing differences
[13:25] <LocutusOfBorg> moreover I already took the latest qt4 in my last attempt
[13:26] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm seeing something interesting now
[13:26] <LocutusOfBorg> "-DHAVE_X11" < is not passed in the porterbox
[13:27] <LocutusOfBorg> but I see a -DQT_WEBKIT instead
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> damn, the apt-get source is getting the testing version
[13:35] <LocutusOfBorg> blah something is bad with unstable mirrors
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, does it sound ok for you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/16946618/
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> I took some bits from libavutil
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> https://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/2.3/bswap_8h_source.html
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> actually that file is coming from there, so I guess we are good
[13:57] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: That seems like an odd hack to work around qFromLittleEndian() breaking, if that's the real bug.
[13:58] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, seems that qFromLittleEndian doesn't exist for 64 bit data types
[13:58] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: But it worked previously?  I mean, this is just a rebuild.
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> no infinity
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> this is a new upstream release
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> the old one was #include <libavutil/file.h> now they embedded it there
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> with some changes, including this one
[13:59] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Ahh.
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> https://github.com/goldendict/goldendict/commit/a04917833c4fca355123157c4a03ea706fa31c19
[13:59] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Okay, that makes more sense.
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> and more sadness
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> https://github.com/goldendict/goldendict/issues/714
[14:04] <ogra_> infinity, mind takeing a look at this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/OSSnapPromotion ... i have some issues to solve and wonder if you know an easy way that doesnt require to much cdimage hackery
[14:05] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Casting count to a 32-bit type would possibly also fix it, but gross either way.  But if this code is stolen from libav and libav has a fix, that seems reasonable to me.
[14:06] <ogra_> essentially we want to build three types of xenial images from different archives, while that is easy to achieve with cdimage vars and different crontab entries, i have no idea how i should actually reflect that on cdimage wrt output dirs ... i dont want all of them in the same www dir
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, already uploaded on Ubuntu, and on deferred/5 for debian
[14:06] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Shiny.
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't care about upstream code :)
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> they want to embed stuff, they have to handle it
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> and now I want hunspell to migrate :D
[14:07] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: FWIW, the goldendict maintainer is listed in the LowNMU table, you could delete the delayed upload and just upload straight to the queue.
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> well, ubuntu is fixed, so I don't care too much about some days
[14:08] <LocutusOfBorg> but I'll consider it
[14:08] <infinity> Release Candidate: xenial-archive + xenial-security/-updates + snapd stable PPA
[14:08] <infinity> ogra_: ^-- Why a PPA there?  We're SRUing snapd intentionally to keep it up to date.
[14:09] <ogra_> infinity, yeah, thats apparently not desired anymore
[14:09] <infinity> ogra_: ...
[14:09] <cjwatson> Any chance somebody could look at python-libnacl and pymacaroons in xenial-proposed NEW?  Straight backports from yakkety, needed to avoid vendored code in snapcraft
[14:09] <ogra_> instead snapd will be a dummy package (an installer for the ubuntu-core snap) and just use the executable from inside the snnap
[14:10] <infinity> Oookay.
[14:10] <ogra_> (there was a long and heated discussion about SRUing ... i kind of lost :/ )
[14:11] <ogra_> the original wikipage only said "archive + -updates/-security" for the last image ...
[14:11] <infinity> ogra_: So, I think our best bet here might be to invent a concept of sub-series in cdimage.  So you can do xenial-edge, xenial-beta, and xenial builds.
[14:11] <infinity> ogra_: Then everything will end up in a pleasant subdir in the tree.
[14:11] <ogra_> yeah, but that sounds like a lot of work ... i was wondering of there isnt something in place already that i could abuse
[14:12] <ogra_> (something i dont know about)
[14:12] <infinity> Not that I can think of off the top of my head.
[14:12] <ogra_> i'm also not sure we want to expose the snaps on cdimage at all in the end ... once there is proper store integration everywhere
[14:12] <infinity> cjwatson: I can have a look.  Bug paperwork all looks good, etc?
[14:12] <ogra_> so the "switch" would only define the channel to upload to
[14:13] <cjwatson> infinity: Hopefully; it's bug 1586770
[14:13] <ogra_> instead of exposing it on cdimage at all
[14:14] <infinity> ogra_: Right, I'm equally unconvinced about publishing them to the www tree.  And, indeed, if that's something we can avoid today, then this is almost a moot point.
[14:15] <infinity> ogra_: Cause your cronjobs would just be '$var $var for-project thing && upload-to-store thing $channel'
[14:15] <ogra_> right, they would have to go directly to the store instead ... though that still needs some kind fo "channel-selector" based on the archives used
[14:15] <ogra_> ah
[14:15] <infinity> ogra_: And then we need no knowledge of any of this.  You're just triggering a build and vacuuming the result.
[14:15] <ogra_> you would separate the uploader ... clever
[14:15] <ogra_> yeah, good idea ... i'll play with that idea. thanks !
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, can you please remove vmtk/powerpc? insighttookit is going to be removed, and insighttookit4 is not powerpc ready
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg> Debian dropped it too
[14:17] <infinity> cjwatson: I see that's all in universe.  No ongoing MIR for snapcraft?
[14:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I guess also insighttookit can be removed, reverse-depends shows nifti2dicom and vmtk but only for powerpc (does it need to migrate first?)
[14:18] <cjwatson> infinity: Not AFAIK ...
[14:18] <infinity> cjwatson: Kay.  Well, if one happens, we can retroactively promote in xenial too.
[14:19] <infinity> cjwatson: Lemme do some differy and get back to you.
[14:19] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, and add a bit to the bug about how you intend to test these, please.
[14:21] <cjwatson> infinity: added
[14:24] <infinity> cjwatson: ^^
[14:24] <cjwatson> yay, thanks
[14:25] <infinity> cjwatson: Will babysit binary NEW, but if I get distracted, feel free to self-accept.
[14:28] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm not reviewing the new binaries for sanity, do be a dear and make sure your testplan involves at least importing both py2 and py3 modules to make sure they exist on disk and such. ;)
[14:28] <cjwatson> Picky, picky.
[14:28] <infinity> Yeah, I know. :)
[14:31] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, and given the regression potential is <= 0, if you need this ASAP for $reasons, I'm fine with fast-tracking the promotion once you've tested.
[14:31] <cjwatson> I think next week is probably fine.  They seem to have temporarily vendored it anyway, but obviously want to get rid of that pretty soon.
[15:16] <jbicha> could I get a yes or no on bug 1584522 please?
[15:55] <infinity> jbicha: Seems entirely reasonable to me, +1
[16:37] <slangasek> bdmurray: lp:~brian-murray/ubuntu-archive-tools/add-release-tasks merged; I do note a lot of code duplication between sru-accept and sru-review which is suboptimal and ought to be refactored, but no sense in blocking on that right now
[20:41] <sergiusens> slangasek hey, quick question, will this get stuck in xenial when I want to SRU/MRE it as well https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=snapcraft ?
[20:59] <slangasek> sergiusens: if you are following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SnapcraftUpdates, it should not get stuck
[21:02] <sergiusens> slangasek yeah, we are following that, it's just that this is the first time snapcraft gets stuck in the 'new' queue
[21:12] <slangasek> oh
[21:12] <slangasek> sergiusens: so it will also have to go through binary new, but it shouldn't get "stuck" beyond possibly you having to whack an archive admin into action ;)
[21:18] <sergiusens> slangasek I just checked and you happen to be one :-)
[21:19] <slangasek> yes
[21:19] <sergiusens> not sure I should whack anyone though :-P
[21:19] <slangasek> sergiusens: 'lintian -I snapcraft_2.10+16.10_amd64.changes' has a few things to say
[21:19]  * sergiusens checks
[21:20] <slangasek> no blockers, but best practice is to look at lintian output for both the source and binary packages
[21:21] <slangasek> ^^ and, accepted for yakkety
[21:23] <sergiusens> slangasek well my plan is to upload the same thing for X so if it is going to be blocked I'd like to know what would block it
[21:23] <sergiusens> slangasek some are really easy to fix and I can
[21:23] <slangasek> sergiusens: nope, none of those are blockers for xenial either
[21:24] <sergiusens> slangasek thanks btw!
[21:24] <sergiusens> slangasek ok, I'll log a bug against snapcraft to fix those for 2.11
[21:24] <sergiusens> and get you to review
[21:24] <sergiusens> thanks!


[03:00] <TheMuso> darkxst: Is there any particular reason why the Ubuntu GNOME remix images load straight into the language/install boot menu, and not pause a little while like the Ubuntu images do?
[03:00] <TheMuso> darkxst: I would ask Jeremy, but he is not online atm.
[03:01] <darkxst> TheMuso, not sure, we don't actually touch any of the boot/installer stuff (apart from the ubiquity slideshow)
[03:02] <darkxst> so it should be the same as Ubuntu really
[03:07] <TheMuso> darkxst: Ok, well its not. If you were to boot a standard Ubuntu image, and then boot an Ubuntu GNOME image, you would notice that the Ubuntu iamge doesn't automatically bring up the language choice and the boot menu. There is a slight pause before the Ubuntu image boots directly into the try/install ubuntu ubiquity screen. If you were to press a key during this pause on the Ubuntu image, you would get what you get on the Ubuntu GNOME remix ima
[03:08] <TheMuso> darkxst: I'll talk to Jeremy about it when I see him online next.
[03:10] <darkxst> TheMuso, right, I see what you mean
[03:11] <TheMuso> darkxst: The only reason why I mention it, is because it has accessibility implications WRT the easse of installing with Orca et al.
[03:20] <darkxst> TheMuso, I will look into a bit later, but I guess its too late now to fix for the release
[03:29] <TheMuso> darkxst: Yeah unfortunately.
[03:52] <pitti> Good morning
[03:57] <darkxst> pitti, good morning
[04:02] <darkxst> pitti, any idea how I can get debug logs from g-s-d (on login)? its either not starting, or crashing
[04:03] <pitti> starting it from a shell doesn't crash?
[04:03] <pitti> normally you can start an xterm session, start gnome-session in one, and gnome-settings-daemon in another
[04:03] <pitti> or killall gnome-settings-daemon; gnome-settings-daemon in a running session
[04:03] <darkxst> pitti, starting in a shell is fine
[04:04] <pitti> and nothing in .xsession-errors either, I presume?
[04:04] <pitti> normally output goes there
[04:05] <darkxst> no I don't see any output in there
[04:05] <pitti> if you want debugging, you need to run everything under G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all
[04:05] <pitti> you could define that in /etc/environment temporarily, or in your ~/.profile
[04:06] <pitti> but at at least a warning or two usually appears in .xsession-errors
[04:06] <pitti> (gnome-settings-daemon:2280): color-plugin-WARNING **: There is no colord server available
[04:06] <pitti> I have that one at least
[04:06] <pitti> darkxst: a deeper hack: replace /usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon with a shell script that does something like this:
[04:06] <pitti> #!/bin/sh
[04:07] <pitti> G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all /usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon.real "$@" > /tmp/gsd.log 2>&1
[04:07] <pitti> (and rename the binary accordingly)
[04:19] <darkxst> pitti, oh its trying to connect to the shell dbus
[04:19] <pitti> and that isn't running yet?
[04:19] <darkxst> I am running it in unity right now
[04:20] <pitti> but it sounds like it should handle that gracefully
[04:20] <darkxst> and unity spoofs the dbus name "org.gnome.Shell"?
[04:21] <darkxst> pitti, (gnome-settings-daemon.real:1785): media-keys-plugin-WARNING **: 0: Cannot invoke method; proxy is for a well-known name without an owner and proxy was constructed with the G_DBUS_PROXY_FLAGS_DO_NOT_AUTO_START flag
[04:21] <darkxst> g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Error sending message: Broken pipe (g-io-error-quark, 44). Exiting.
[04:21] <pitti> ek, indeed
[04:33] <darkxst> pitti, something is triggering a SIGTERM, causing g-s-d to shutdown
[04:34] <pitti> hm, could that be upstart? did you enable upstart sessions?
[04:35] <darkxst> pitti, I am using normal upstart configuration
[04:35] <pitti> well, that hasn't been enabled by default yet
[04:35] <pitti> can you try without and see if that makes any difference?
[04:36] <darkxst> how do I disable that?
[04:36] <pitti> darkxst: I hear that ~/.cache/upstart/*.log should have logs then, do they show anythign interesting?
[04:36] <pitti> how did you enable it?
[04:36]  * pitti looks for jodh's blog post
[04:36] <darkxst> pitti, I have not touched anything upstart
[04:36] <pitti> http://ifdeflinux.blogspot.de/2013/04/upstart-user-sessions-in-ubuntu-raring.html
[04:37] <pitti> ah, so you are not using session upstart then
[04:37] <pitti> darkxst: so perhaps try the debugging wrappers around gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon? perhaps session is killing it for some reason
[04:43] <darkxst> ok will try
[04:53] <darkxst> pitti, nope, can't see anything interesting in the gnome-session logs
[05:46] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[06:36] <murad> hello
[06:37] <murad> 13.04 is still not out ????
[06:43] <mlankhorst> can I disable sudo mail somehow?
[06:47] <darkxst> Y
[06:47] <sarnold> mlankhorst: a few guesses.. set mail_no_user off or set mailerpath to /bin/true or /bin/false
[06:53] <mlankhorst> hm found it, I think
[06:53] <mlankhorst> Defaults        !mail_badpass
[06:53] <mlankhorst> same for the other mail flags
[07:03] <jibel> good morning
[07:08] <didrocks> salut jibel! ça va? pas trop le dos cassé avec le déménagement?
[07:11] <jibel> Salut didrocks! Etonnamment j'ai le dos entier, merci :)
[07:11] <jibel> bien content que ce soit terminé
[07:12] <didrocks> j'imagine :)
[07:12] <didrocks> ça s'est bien passé?
[07:18] <jibel> didrocks, oui parfait. Il reste à tout déballer si je veux pouvoir m'habiller ;)
[07:19] <didrocks> ahah, /me reminds himself to not do any hangout with jibel today :p
[07:29] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:31] <didrocks> happy release day seb128!
[07:31] <seb128> oh, right
[07:31] <seb128> didrocks, happy raring day ;-)
[07:34] <BigWhale> I feel very raring today!
[07:34] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va !
[07:35] <seb128> hey BigWhale
[07:35] <pitti> salut didrocks
[07:35] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[07:35] <seb128> pitti, salut, oui, il fait beau ici, et toi ?
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: ici aussi, il y a soleil !
[07:36] <pitti> le temps parfait pour le release :)
[07:36] <seb128> oui ;-)
[07:36] <BigWhale> hey seb. :)
[07:36] <BigWhale> and the rest of the gang :)
[07:36] <pitti> didrocks: veux-tu courier à nouveau la semaine prochaine ?
[07:36]  * pitti waves to BigWhale
[07:36] <didrocks> pitti: avec joie! J'espère que tu traineras seb128 pour qu'il vienne avec nous :)
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: je trainerai larsu aussi ;)
[07:37] <pitti> didrocks: (ou est-il "à la semaine../au semaine" ?)
[07:37] <seb128> no way I go running in Oakland
[07:37] <BigWhale> I wish I had google translate plugin for xchat ... :>
[07:37] <seb128> I don't like running in city, less so in not so nice ones
[07:37] <didrocks> pitti: c'était très bien: "veux-tu aller courrir à nouveau la semaine prochaine"
[07:37] <didrocks> seb128: there is a park
[07:38] <seb128> and crazy people yelling at you in the street? ;-)
[07:38] <didrocks> well, that's a small detail :)
[07:38] <pitti> didrocks: ah, "aller courrier" est mieux ?
[07:38] <didrocks> pitti: "aller courrir", oui :)
[07:38] <didrocks> courrier == mail
[07:39] <pitti> seb128: non, c'était bon -- beaucoup de gens le font
[07:39] <seb128> pitti, on verra, j'essayerai peut-être
[07:40] <pitti> viens avec nous!
[07:40] <seb128> Didier m'a dit que la gym a l'hotel n'est pas bien en plus
[07:40] <pitti> seb128: il va être facile
[07:41] <seb128> pitti, tu arrives à suivre Didier ? il s'entraîne tous les jours de l'année
[07:41] <pitti> je ne vais pas courrier beaucoup
[07:42] <pitti> seb128: no, we run together; he's nice with me :)
[07:42] <seb128> ;-)
[07:42] <seb128> let's try
[07:42] <didrocks> \o/
[07:42] <pitti> "il est gentil avec moi" ?
[07:42] <seb128> oui
[07:42] <seb128> vous arrivez tous les 2 le dimanche ?
[07:43] <didrocks> dimanche pour moi
[07:43] <pitti> j'ai arriver à samedi soir
[07:43] <seb128> pitti, ah, moi aussi
[07:44] <pitti> seb128: ah, alors nous pouvons aller à San Francisco à dimanche ?
[07:44] <seb128> oui
[07:44] <pitti> \o/
[07:44]  * seb128 donne l'accolade à pitti
[07:44]  * pitti tu donne une accolade en retour
[07:44] <pitti> "te"
[07:46]  * pitti goes offline for a bit for some NM tests
[07:47] <seb128> good luck ;-)
[08:07] <Laney> hey
[08:08] <seb128> Laney, good morning, happy raring day!
[08:08] <Laney> \o/
[08:09]  * Laney starts spamming "is it out yet?" every hour
[08:09] <darkxst> Laney, 'spamming' would be every minute!
[08:10] <Laney> FINE, YOU ASKED FOR IT!
[08:10] <seb128> Laney, ok, you do that, and I will do the "is the new serie open yet?" ;-)
[08:10] <xnox> TheMuso: good spot. Probably grub/isolinux timeout is not in, or very short with a black screen =)
[08:11] <Laney> seb128: We probably need to know what it's called first :P
[08:12] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:13] <Laney> o hai
[08:13] <Laney> mlankhorst: cycled 35 miles last night, got lost and had to get a train home
[08:14] <mlankhorst> hehehe
[08:14] <mlankhorst> I have a pick up service for that! :D
[08:14] <Laney> daddy?
[08:14] <darkxst> Laney, don't you have a gps!
[08:14] <Laney> only for emergencies!
[08:15] <Laney> I did know where I was going but the getting lost made me too late
[08:15] <mlankhorst> hehehe
[08:15] <mlankhorst> Laney: yeah he has a bus, I can just put the bike in the back and leave it standing there
[08:15] <Laney> heh
[08:16] <mlankhorst> sometimes I do it the other way around too when he gets a flat tire
[08:17] <darkxst> mlankhorst, flat tire? what is that, I havent had one ever since running tubeless ;)
[08:17] <mlankhorst> don't worry, I'm sure your bike will still have a failure mode
[08:18] <darkxst> mlankhorst, sure, and if that happens I will be walking, since not many roads where we ride
[08:19] <Laney> yeah if it really came to it my cycle insurance includes pick up
[08:19] <mlankhorst> psssh insurance for bikes
[08:19] <darkxst> Laney, helicopter pick up?
[08:20] <Laney> lolz
[08:20]  * Laney does road cycling
[08:20] <Laney> mlankhorst: you need it if you live where i do :p
[08:21] <mlankhorst> I just made my bike look unattractive and valueless instead..
[08:21] <darkxst> mlankhorst, that doesnt always work, but atleast my bike always looks clean, since its the same colour as the mud!
[08:22] <mlankhorst> darkxst: plus it looks unique enough that nobody dares to steal it :-)
[08:23] <darkxst> oh that wouldnt work here
[08:23] <darkxst> the thieves here will steal it and try and sell it back to you!
[08:24] <mlankhorst> so lets say you have a street view like http://goo.gl/maps/5DQsv
[08:24] <mlankhorst> would you steal a bike that looks like any other or the one that makes you stand out a lot?
[08:30] <seb128> xnox, what is the release-?-incoming tagged used for?
[08:30] <seb128> xnox, I don't see it listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[08:31] <Laney> seb128: to get it on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-r-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[08:33] <xnox> seb128: the intention is to end up on the rls-*-tracking report. as per Laney. But I sometimes fail to spell the tag correctly.
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, xnox: thanks, I had almost forgotten about that tracker
[08:34] <Laney> oh you actually did 'release-'
[08:35] <xnox> Laney: please correct the spelling to the right one =) i did ping bmurray to add those as official tags with auto-complete.
[08:35] <Laney> no idea how that stuff works
[08:40] <darkxst> pitti, any idea how I can get gdb attached to gnome-settings-daemon at login?
[08:41] <seb128> what are you trying to get?
[08:41] <seb128> why do you need attached at login?
[08:41] <darkxst> seb128, gnome-settings-daemon 3.8 dies on login when running unity
[08:41] <darkxst> but runs perfectly after logged in
[08:41] <seb128> but apport doesn't give you a dump you can use gdb on?
[08:41] <darkxst> seb128, nope, seems that g-s-d is shutting itself down
[08:42] <seb128> if it does, gdb will not help you
[08:42] <darkxst> seb128,  g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting.
[08:42] <darkxst> seb128, there is a SIGTERM signal atleast when running from gdm
[08:43] <seb128> darkxst, do you get the issue if you run g-s-d in an empty session?
[08:43] <seb128> like
[08:43] <seb128> Xephyr :1
[08:43] <seb128> DISPLAY=:1 gnome-settings-daemon
[08:43] <seb128> with dbus-launch in front if needed
[08:43] <seb128> it might be a "start before gnome-session" or something
[08:45] <pitti> darkxst: you could extend you debug wrapper to run xterm -e gdb ... g-s-d ?
[08:45] <darkxst> I have never used Xephyr but it just gives me an empty window
[08:45] <pitti> darkxst: are you sure that g-s-d is shutting *itself* down?
[08:45] <pitti> darkxst: I thought you said something sent it a SIGTERM?
[08:46] <darkxst> pitti, SIGTERM is only when launching from gdm
[08:47] <pitti> darkxst: right, if you start Xephyr you just get an "empty" X server, you have to run stuff in it
[08:48] <darkxst> ok a few warnings but otherwise fine
[08:49] <seb128> ok, so it's not a "it needs other components to be ready when they are not"
[08:55] <darkxst> apparently not, but something is causing it too shutdown
[08:56] <darkxst> I can install the 3.6 ck built g-s-d and it survives login just fine (even though I am running logind)
[09:04] <Laney> darkxst: what version of gsd are you using?
[09:04] <Laney> I just dist-upgraded to gnome3 and gnome3-staging in a VM and I can still get unity
[09:04] <darkxst> Laney, 3.7.91 (and 3.8.1)
[09:05] <darkxst> you will get unity, but gsd is dead by the time you are logged in
[09:07] <darkxst> so I added xterm to my debug wrapper, but it only shows up before the gdm session,
[09:11] <darkxst> should the same gsd instance persist or does it get respawned on login?
[09:11] <pitti> each session has its own gsd
[09:11] <darkxst> that is what I thought
[09:12] <darkxst> oh it comes up when I logout ;(
[09:12] <pitti> WTH
[09:12] <pitti> darkxst: I guess you need similar debug logs for gnome-session to determine if and when it starts g-s-d
[09:12] <seb128> could it be that the gdm one doesn't exit and is running on the same display or something?
[09:12] <ogra_> dont install logind backwards :)
[09:14] <darkxst> seb128, maybe its just at the back of the stack and not visible
[09:14]  * ogra_ guesses what you see going down and starting up is the DM g-s-d
[09:14] <ogra_> check which user owns the process
[09:15] <seb128> ogra_, do you run gdm?
[09:15] <ogra_> *processes
[09:15] <ogra_> nope
[09:15] <seb128> darkxst, does it happen if you start the session with startx?
[09:22] <darkxst> seb128, right now startx fails to load the session
[09:22] <darkxst> X is running though
[09:23] <seb128> have an .xinitrc with "exec gnome-session" or similar?
[09:27] <darkxst> seb128, do now, all I get is keyring prompt
[09:40] <darkxst> seb128, I can only start gnome session with startx not ubuntu session
[09:40] <seb128> weird
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, did we end up having a flag or something in the apport reports that tell us if the issue happened in a session which is not the current one?
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, I'm looking at https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8198ebba906a1181a84ed08ff814f54c7c737ea3 (udisks2 segfault)
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, on the corresponding launchpad bug you asked by then if the error was displayed on login
[09:58] <pitti> seb128: for programs that run in the session we get XsessionErrors if the program that crashed and apport are running in the same session
[09:58] <pitti> for daemons we won't, as something like udisks has no idea about user sessions
[09:58] <seb128> right
[09:59] <seb128> the comments suggest it's happening a login but also sometimes after trying to mount devices
[09:59] <pitti> I keep getting dupes of that, but I never could reproduce it (and I tried for an hour or so)
[09:59] <seb128> pitti, it's still ranked quite high on e.u.c for raring
[09:59] <seb128> it's n°25 of raring errors for the last 10 days
[11:54] <darkxst> seb128, anyway I am basically over this for today, I think my patch fixes the media key issues under unity (i.e reverts the legacy key grabber for unity). see gsd package here https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/logind
[11:55] <darkxst> seb128, probably would be better to move that all into a seperate module, in the long term if you plan to leave it in gsd
[11:56] <seb128> darkxst, great
[11:56] <seb128> we probably wont keep it in g-s-d longer than for the next lts
[11:56] <seb128> unity-next will probably handle keybindings like gnome-shell does for GNOME
[11:57] <darkxst> yes that makes more sense, gnome-shell has a lot issues with special key grabs previously
[11:57] <darkxst> s/has/had/
[12:37] <desrt> seb128: hey
[12:37] <desrt> good morning
[12:37] <seb128> desrt, hey, how are you?
[12:37] <desrt> okay
[12:37] <desrt> seb128: i noticed you postponed some of my workitems
[12:37] <seb128> desrt, right, raring has been released
[12:37] <desrt> seb128: i was wondering if there is some search interface that lets me find all blueprints with my name on them for work items
[12:38] <desrt> because i had completely lost track of those items
[12:38] <seb128> desrt, https://launchpad.net/~desrt/+upcomingwork
[12:38] <pitti> ^ note that this won't show WIs for past milestones
[12:38] <desrt> perfect.
[12:38] <desrt> thanks :)
[12:38] <pitti> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/u/desrt.html for that
[12:38] <seb128> right, pitti beat me to it
[12:39] <pitti> I have +upcomingwork as my first firefox tab, it's a great todo list
[12:39] <seb128> desrt, if you remember, I got you added to some team last cycle so you would have that status.ubuntu.com page :p
[13:20] <kenvandine> happy release day!
[13:22] <BigWhale> kenvandine, same to you! :)
[13:25] <seb128> kenvandine, good morning, happy raring day to you !
[13:26] <kenvandine> i'm raring to go~
[13:26] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:29] <didrocks> hey kenvandine, happy release day!
[13:34] <didrocks> kenvandine: you reverted a lot of changes from cyphermox it seems, did you refresh before editing the blueprint?
[13:34] <kenvandine> oh sigh... i didn't
[13:34] <kenvandine> silly website...
[13:34] <didrocks> kenvandine: do you have the email to reconcile? :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> no
[13:34] <cyphermox> kenvandine: sorry, I didn't know you were editing it too :)
[13:34] <cyphermox> doesn't matter, I'll go back and re-do any changes
[13:35] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> cyphermox, sorry... :)
[13:35] <cyphermox> that's the components thingy blueprint right?
[13:35] <kenvandine> i wonder how many times i've done that to people
[13:35] <cyphermox> delivering-touch-apps?
[13:35] <kenvandine> i never considered needing to refresh the page :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> cyphermox, yes
[13:37] <kenvandine> amazing... after living with evolution crashing hourly for months... i used geary all week without a single crash
[13:37]  * kenvandine is happy
[13:37] <cyphermox> haha
[13:37] <cyphermox> can we fix evolution? how is it crashing?
[13:37] <cyphermox> didrocks: speaking of the the same blueprint, isn't the icons merging done?
[13:38] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i don't recall the bug #, but the crash i was getting matched a bug that was like 2 years old
[13:38] <desrt> mirrors are having a rough day :)
[13:39] <kenvandine> desrt, happy release day!
[13:39] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:39] <desrt> kenvandine: same to you :)
[13:39] <kenvandine> i'm happy launchpad seems to handle it better these days
[13:39] <kenvandine> i remember jaunty, i couldn't do anything on launchpad all day
[13:40] <didrocks> cyphermox: it should be yeah
[13:42] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: I posted instructions on how to valgrind xserver on the bug
[13:43] <czajkowski> kenvandine: be nice to lP :)
[13:44] <kenvandine> czajkowski, i am... it works on release day now :)
[13:44] <kenvandine> it didn't back then
[13:49] <attente> seb128, hey, is there anything that needs to be done to revert that commit to fix the libreoffice bug?
[14:13] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have seen the instruction. Do I nbeed to install all 30+ -dbg packages of X or only the ones concerning my hardware?
[14:14] <mlankhorst> evdev-dbg, synaptics-dbg, libdrm*dbg and your video driver debug is usually enough
[14:24] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, all set now. I have installed all -dbg packages you asked for, installed the script and linked it, and finally restarted lightdm, which came up much slower now.
[14:24] <mlankhorst> ;P
[14:25] <mlankhorst> well if it crashes you should have a full valgrind log at least
[14:25] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, from now on I will attch the log file to the bug report whenever a crash happens.
[14:26] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, but there is one problem: When a crash happened X gets automatically restarted (I get the lightdm screen). Will this not delete the log?
[14:26] <mlankhorst> it's appending, rather than overwriting
[14:29] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, thanks, and how do I proceed if X gets stuck but does not crash? "sudo stop lightdm", grab log and attach to bug, "sudo start lightdm"? Or is the log useless when there was no crash?
[14:30] <mlankhorst> just send a killall Xorg :p
[14:31] <mlankhorst> you can use a debugger with valgrind too, but it's a bit more effort to set up
[14:31] <mlankhorst> anyway I guess you mean the touch being stuck? not much you can do about that
[14:31] <mlankhorst> only documenting how you got it stuck would be helpful
[14:50] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, onboard stopped working since I am running under Valgrind.
[14:50] <mlankhorst> mm, any useful warnings in valgrind¿
[14:56] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, the Valgrind log so far is http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601259/
[14:56] <mlankhorst> sigh intel doesn't have valgrind enabled, nothing harmful  then :/
[14:57] <seb128> attente, hey
[14:57] <seb128> attente, do you agree the revert is right?
[14:57] <seb128> attente, just filing a merge request against lp:unity/7.0 (that's the raring serie), can you do it?
[14:58] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: only thing sort of useful is that activatekeyboardgrab/pointergrab, but it looks like libunwind info is missing there
[14:59] <attente> seb128, the revert is correct
[14:59] <rickspencer3> seb128, jasoncwarner, everyone ...
[14:59] <rickspencer3> congrats on 13.04
[14:59] <attente> ok, will file
[14:59] <rickspencer3> It's my favorite Ubuntu yet
[15:00] <seb128> rickspencer3, thanks ;-)
[15:00] <seb128> attente, ok, thanks
[15:00] <mlankhorst> :o)
[15:01] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, do I need to install a dbg package of libunwind?
[15:01] <mlankhorst> nah
[15:02] <mlankhorst> it was supposed to give a perttier backtrace
[15:04]  * Sweetshark thinks about getting his saucy salamander in position ...
[15:06] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, Now I have installed libunwind8-dbg and restarted lightdm, now onboard works.
[15:07] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: it doesn't matter, the backtrace suggested that you were hitting the same bug I was hitting..
[15:09] <tkamppeter> Updated Valgrind log attached to the bug report.
[15:10] <mlankhorst> tkamppeter: valgrind logs are not going to be useful, except for crashes
[15:35] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I have added some more comments to the bug report.
[15:42] <steve_fi> is there any outstanding issues with the nvidia-310 proprietary drivers that would cause me to use acpi=off at boot time?
[15:43] <steve_fi> and sorry, I forgot to include on 13.04
[16:06] <seb128> tedg, Laney: you guys are familiar with libproxy? do you know why it spawn those shell processes to run pxgsettings and why those processes keep running?
[16:07] <tedg> seb128, No, I'm not.  I was just noticing that thread.
[16:08] <Laney> seb128: No, seems weird. I've got quite a few too
[16:10] <Laney> We should look into why they don't get closed
[16:14] <Laney> mmm, yeah, it appers to be some constantly running thing to notify clients of changes
[16:18] <Laney> seb128: we could probably rewrite this to be a dbus service if necessary?
[16:20] <Laney> seems pxgsettings is currently c/glib so it might not be too hard
[16:20] <Laney> want to WI me for it?
[16:24] <seb128> hum, got disconnected, I was saying
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, tedg: ok, I wanted to check if you knew about it before looking, let me have a look
[16:24] <stgraber> seb128: Laney volunteered ;)
[16:24] <seb128> did he?
[16:24] <Laney> basically
[16:24] <stgraber> 16:20 < Laney> seems pxgsettings is currently c/glib so it might not be too hard
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, thanks! ;-)
[16:24] <stgraber> 16:20 < Laney> want to WI me for it?
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, do you think you have the time this week?
[16:25] <Laney> *this* week?
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, if not I might have a look to it in the plane saturday
[16:25] <Laney> oh, to investigate?
[16:25] <seb128> yes
[16:25] <Laney> well I kind of understand what it does
[16:25] <seb128> ok
[16:25] <seb128> I'm letting it for you
[16:25] <Laney> if you just run the pxgsettings thing you have running on your system you can see
[16:25] <Laney> it watches for changes and outputs them onto stdout
[16:26] <Laney> and then libproxy reads those and presumably relays it to its clients
[16:26] <seb128> it just seemed a good offline/flight hack, but I've other stuff to keep me busy so no worry ;-)
[16:26] <seb128> ah
[16:26] <seb128> that seems hackish
[16:26] <Laney> Seems like you could replace that with a dbus service
[16:26] <seb128> yeah, that would be nicer
[16:27] <stgraber> library that spawns shell that calls C binary that opens other file which can be accessed over DBus, nah, not hackish at all ;)
[16:28] <Laney> hey, maybe they've got a good reason ...
[16:28]  * Laney runs
[16:28] <stgraber> maybe ;)
[16:28] <seb128> I start understanding why Josselin hates libproxy :p
[16:29] <Laney> IIRC glib-networking even falls back to libproxy these days if it needs to
[16:30] <Laney> so maybe most gnome stuff doesn't need to use libproxy explicitly
[16:31] <Laney> ah
[16:31] <Laney> seb128: see glib-networking/proxy/gnome/gproxyresolvergnome.c:307
[16:31] <Laney> static gboolean
[16:31] <Laney> g_proxy_resolver_gnome_is_supported (GProxyResolver *object)
[16:31] <Laney> { return !g_strcmp0 (g_getenv ("DESKTOP_SESSION"), "gnome");
[16:31] <Laney> }
[16:32] <seb128> Laney, we should archive grep for "DESKTOP_SESSION"
[16:32] <seb128> Laney,
[16:32] <seb128> libproxy/modules/config_gnome3.cpp:				&& string(getenv("DESKTOP_SESSION")) == "gnome"));
[16:33] <seb128> similar issue
[16:33] <Laney> well, that one checks for GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID in preference which means we're ok
[16:33] <Laney> but AFAICT that glib-networking check is why it's falling back to libproxy and therefore pxgsettings
[16:33]  * Laney test builds one with it fixed
[16:33] <seb128> oh
[16:34] <seb128> what would it use if that was not libproxy?
[16:34] <Laney> reads it directly from gsettings i think
[16:44] <seb128> Laney, you are right, that seems to fix it ;-)
[16:44] <Laney> great
[16:44] <seb128> Laney, do you know why glib-networking build-conflicts on itself? (that's annoying)
[16:45] <seb128> ah
[16:45] <Laney> no idea, maybe the testsuite?
[16:45] <seb128> yes
[16:45] <seb128>   * Add build-conflict about glib-networking itself (fails the test
[16:45] <seb128>     suite).
[16:45] <Laney> think we should SRU this?
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, do you want me to open a bug?
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, yes please
[16:45] <Laney> yes
[16:46] <Laney> seems like it was introduced in 2.35.3 which explains why it's new
[16:46] <Laney>   * proxy/gnome: This is now only used in GNOME login sessions (as,
[16:46] <Laney>     essentially, a more efficient version of the libproxy GNOME
[16:46] <Laney>     backend); in non-GNOME sessions, gio will now fall back to the
[16:46] <Laney>     libproxy plugin,
[16:49] <Laney> seb128: I still see them coming from signon{d,ui} though - do you?
[16:49] <seb128> Laney, I didn't restart those services, but they might use libproxy directly?
[16:49] <Laney> they do
[16:54] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib-networking/+bug/1172792
[16:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172792 in glib-networking (Ubuntu) "should use the direct proxy resolver in unity sessions" [Undecided,New]
[16:54] <seb128> Laney, I've added SRU infos, I will let you deal with the patch/upload/upstreaming?
[16:55] <seb128> not sure why they want to limit gsettings use to GNOME
[16:56] <Laney> will do - but tomorrow morning or later tonight :-)
[16:58] <seb128> Laney, no hurry, it's rather minor
[16:58] <seb128> it doesn't break anything
[17:00] <seb128> Laney, I did a quick follow up on the list as well
[17:00] <Laney> great, cheers
[17:11] <Laney> off climbing - see you tomorrow!
[17:12] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[17:14] <ogra_> dont fall !
[17:23] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I got X crashing! log is attached to the bug report.
[17:42]  * didrocks waves good evening
[19:29] <tkamppeter> mlankhorst, I can reproduce the X crash now, see the bug report.
[22:18]  * thumper wonders why he still has no sync indicator and no global menus
[22:18] <thumper> lastest raring updates applied this morning
[22:21] <jcastro>  ubuntu-desktop installed?
[22:22] <thumper> I think so, let me double check
[22:22] <thumper> I know I have indicator-sync installed
[22:22] <thumper> but just not showing
[22:22] <thumper> jcastro: yep, 1.299


[07:20] <dennis81> I found the issue, it was grub-customizer:
[07:20] <dennis81> https://bugs.launchpad.net/grub-customizer/+bug/1992200
[07:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 1992200 in Grub Customizer "version_find_latest has been removed from GRUB but grub-customizer still relies on it" [Undecided, New]
[07:20] <dennis81> so nothing to do with ubuntu 23.10
[10:36] <guiverc> well done for solving/finding issue dennis81