[01:49] <batistapt2> boas
[20:04] <belalobo> hello I'm having a few issues with pure data in ubuntustudio 14.04. It seems liek jacksink pulseaudio does not work with pd open. I can get no sound other than from pd when it is open. any onfo on this? thanks
[20:49] <zequence> belalobo: the pd-extended executable may have a pasuspender command
[20:49] <zequence> This means it disables pulseaudio
[20:50] <zequence> If you like, start pd from the location itself, without the desktop shortcut
[20:50] <zequence> /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd
[20:50] <zequence> Or, /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd
[21:16] <belalobo> oh ok great! thanks!!
[21:25] <belalobo> do you know anything about pd not writing the tilde sign?
[21:40] <zequence> belalobo: What do you mena?
[21:40] <zequence> mean*
[21:41] <belalobo> I cannot write the tilde sign while editing in pd
[21:41] <belalobo> I have to write it in gedit for example then copy it and paste it in pd
[21:43] <zequence> belalobo: I dont have that problem. You could bring that up on the pure data mail list
[21:44] <belalobo> ok thanks


[13:01] <wers> hellooo
[13:01] <thorwil> hi wers, vish, mpt, godbyk-android2
[13:01] <mpt> Hello everyone
[13:01] <vish> o/
[13:01] <wers> hi thorwil
[13:02] <mpt> I'm sorry ivanka, charline, and djsiegel aren't here, I don't know where they are t.b.h.
[13:02] <thorwil> movable bermuda triangle?
[13:03] <mpt> possibly
[13:03] <mpt> Millbank Triangle
[13:03]  * thorwil whistles scary melody
[13:03] <vish> heh
[13:04] <mpt> Is godbyk-android2 actually here?
[13:05] <wers> okayyy. what do we have for today? :)
[13:06] <mpt> Well, I was going to invite godbyk to talk about his ideas for a usability book
[13:07] <wers> usability book, huh? what is this exactly about?
[13:07] <thorwil> mpt: we have been missing him in the -manual channel, lately
[13:07] <mpt> We've been talking a bit about how to present the human interface guidelines
[13:07] <mpt> and Kevin suggested the possibility of having a more general book for design and usability in open source
[13:08] <wers> nice
[13:09] <mpt> But I think, as with the interface guidelines, there's a lack of people with time to write
[13:09] <thorwil> mpt: would be great, if combined with an online version and at least the option of some collaborative editing. could be done with one or 2 full timers plus only few now-and-then collaborators ;p
[13:10] <mpt> oh, only one or two full-timers? :-)
[13:11] <mpt> Kevin suggested this book as inspiration: http://www.uidesigns.com/
[13:11] <thorwil> mpt: one is serious, 2 is mocking maybe a little bit ;)
[13:12] <mpt> hi aday
[13:12] <aday> mpt: hey, sorry i'm late
[13:13] <wers> hi aday :)
[13:14] <mpt> Apart from that, we seem to have a lack of ideas at the moment.
[13:14] <aday> wers: hi :)
[13:14] <mpt> And I will be away on holiday the next two Thursdays, so I won't be able to run these meetings.
[13:14] <thorwil> mpt: unless there's a competent, yet crazy person out there, not in this circle. godbyk has to know himself, but i think the manual project can easily eat his available time in the foreseeable future
[13:15] <mpt> yes
[13:15]  * vish takes note to squeeze stuff from mpt before his vacation ;p
[13:15] <thorwil> no lack of ideas, just a lack of ones that we can tackle, realistically
[13:16] <vish> mpt: lack of ideas? maybe we need more of folks from the ayatana ML ;p
[13:16]  * thorwil knows he starts to sound like a broken record, but can't help it
[13:16] <aday> me and some of the gnome design types have started drawing up some personas. is that something we could tackle?
[13:16] <mpt> yes, that's a possibility
[13:16] <thorwil> vish: SABDFL is my hero. +1, look at that funny picture i madez you!
[13:17] <mpt> We've talked at a couple of UDSes (Jaunty and Karmic, I think) about personas, but we didn't produce any in public
[13:17] <vish> thorwil: pff , fanboyee ;)
[13:18] <wers> something's bugging me about the panel. i'm not sure if this is the right time to discuss it, though
[13:18] <aday> mpt: we've drafted some and i'm planning to do some interviews
[13:18] <vish> aday: personas would be great thing to work on
[13:18] <mpt> aday, great, are the drafts published anywhere?
[13:18] <aday> the main challenge for me is getting interviewees
[13:18] <aday> mpt: it's happening on google wave... we could move the content somewhere else though
[13:19] <aday> or just add interested parties
[13:19] <mpt> I'm an interested party
[13:20] <aday> mpt: got a wave address?
[13:20] <mpt> aday, matthew.thomas
[13:20] <mpt> @gmail
[13:21] <aday> done. anybody else?
[13:21] <vish> o/
[13:21] <mpt> thanks aday
[13:21] <thorwil> o/, too
[13:21] <wers> allancaeg *at* gmail
[13:23] <thorwil><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:23] <mpt> Something else Kevin and I discussed over the past week is setting up a basic user testing template (Do people understand what your program does? How long does it take for them to do something useful with it? etc)
[13:23] <mpt> to encourage the UX advocates to do some user testing, even informally
[13:24] <wers> mpt, that's interesting. do you have a draft template as of the moment?
[13:24] <wers> and what user testing tools do you have in mind?
[13:24] <mpt> no, I haven't
[13:25] <mpt> Just sitting beside someone as they try out the program
[13:25] <mpt> and asking them to do various things
[13:25] <mpt> nothing complicated
[13:25] <mpt> Have any of us run a user test before? I know aday has sat in on one we did at Canonical
[13:26]  * thorwil 's experience is limited to seeing lots of folks stumble through quarkXpress, freehand, photoshop and ms office
[13:27] <wers> i havent yet, but I've seen a morae session before. that's what we're trying to duplicate through the FOSS Usability Testing Suite
[13:27]  * vish neither
[13:27] <wers> actually, my office might buy Morae very soon and we're planning to have user testing as a service next week. i'll see what I'll learn out of the experience
[13:28] <aday> it doesn't have to be as complicated as using screen recording software. you can just watch and make a few notes
[13:28] <mpt> ok, so I will try to persuade charline or someone to write up a basic template, if I don't have time to do it myself
[13:28] <aday> it's amazing how much you can learn that way
[13:28] <mpt> true
[13:28] <wers> aday, i agree, especially if the persona the participant represents thinks very differently from you
[13:29] <mpt> I'll also see if I can persuade ivanka to run the meeting the next couple of weeks.
[13:30] <thorwil> the people thinking different became very clear to me, a hit with a basebal bat couldn't have been clearer
[13:31] <mpt> In the meantime, thanks for turning up. :-)
[13:31] <thorwil> mpt: found ivanka. she just has been in the wiki, free culture showcase :)
[13:31] <thorwil> np, after all, that's all i manage
[13:34] <wers> for user testing, we can use gtk record my desktop or Istanbul in the meantime.
[13:34] <wers> and just run it with the sound recorder
[13:34] <wers> for TAP
[13:35] <wers> casually observing the usage of the software is nice, but it's better to document the test so others can also give their feedback
[13:37] <aday> i'm the ux advocate for nautilus (apparently). i'm planning to blog about that soon. i'll try and put something in there about usability testing
[13:51] <wers> sorry got dc. did a miss anything?
[13:52] <wers> aday, you remember the app centrism discussion? :)
[13:53] <aday> wers: yeah! you moved forward with that at all?
[13:54] <wers> aday, i want to pursue it
[13:54] <wers> i'm actually planning to talk about it at GNOME.Asia
[13:54] <wers> I'll explore it a bit more and maybe borrow your ideas. I'll quote you if I talk about them, of course :D
[13:55] <aday> wers: cool. i've been talking with some designers about document management away from the file system. would love to see that happen
[13:55] <aday> wers: no need to quote me. just buy me a beer ;)
[13:55] <wers> aday, nice. I actually emailed dylan mccall. he's still interested
[13:55] <wers> aday, lol. shipping costs would be more expensive :P i'll just quote you
[13:56] <aday> wers: great. i was excited about his project. that could be a big part of whatever solution we come up with
[13:57] <aday> wers: there's also the stuff that's planned for unity, though i haven't seen many specifics
[13:57] <wers> aday, cool! you mean, solution to app centrism issue?
[13:57] <wers> aday, that' nice. what is it exactly?
[13:57] <aday> wers: i'm primarily thinking about document management outside the file manager
[13:58] <aday> wers: what's unity? the new ubuntu netbook thang
[13:58] <wers> aday, oh. you meant, that (which is your suggestion on the thread) could be a solution (to the document management issue), correct?
[13:59] <wers> aday, i meant, what's the solution on unity exactly? is there a specific app addressing the issue?
[14:00] <aday> wers: i hear they're planning to use zeitgeist for file management
[14:01] <wers> aday, oh. you mean, the engine right? so just the backend but not Activity Journal?
[14:01] <aday> wers: yes. no indications of what the front will look like yet
[14:02] <wers> if so, how will this address the issue? will it display filetype-specific options?
[14:05] <aday> wers: dunno! we might be on slightly different wave lengths on this one... i'd like to see you slides or whatever when they're done
[14:06] <wers> aday, oh. let's just wait for it :)
[14:07] <aday> wers: we'll i'd like to try and collaborate with unity if possible. it would be great if gnome could use some of the work they're doing
[14:07] <aday> *we'll -> well
[14:08] <wers> aday, that's exactly what i was thinking. we could use some upstream love. i was actually wondering if you were involved in unity, but weren't talking about this upstream. hehe
[14:08] <wers> but you mentioned that you're waiting for them so I figured. haha
[14:09] <wers> 'cause the thing with this is, it's not a netbook-specific issue. the GNOME desktop can use it
[14:10] <wers> which makes me think, why doesn't GNOME have a netbook interface, unlike KDE? ok nevermind. offtopic. lol
[14:11] <aday> wers: well that depends. they might have a very restricted set of use-cases. we'd have to discuss it
[14:12] <wers> yep. let's just talk about it in the right venue
[15:03] <sbr> Hello
[15:06] <sbr> Any metting
[15:09] <sbr> Is anyone here?
[15:11] <czajkowski> sbr: what meeting are you looking for http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[15:11] <sbr> the java meeting
[15:17] <sbr> czajkowski: the details on the meeting says 15 - 16, so maybe it is registered wrong
[15:17] <czajkowski> sbr: I've no idea sorry I've never seen that meeting
[15:18] <sbr> czajkowski: okay thanks, I will try at 15
[16:07] <sbr> Any meetting?


[00:10] <zus> geesh i keep crashing for some reason
[00:45] <flirty> hi does anyone have a audigy 2?
[00:48] <vbgunz> what messenger service has voice chat? kopete has no plugins for it. and I don't see a way to initiate one with most services
[00:48] <flirty> Ich hab 3 probleme . kann mir jemand helfen ?
[00:49] <bazhang> !de | flirty
[00:49] <flirty> thanks
[00:50] <jovis> sprecken ze deutch?
[00:50] <jovis> taco supreme?
[00:57] <vbgunz> what is the recommended app to voice chat with people? I would prefer voice chatting with kopete. is it possible?
[01:32] <jovis> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no
[01:32] <jovis> i cant find GTK on apt-install??
[01:39] <KDesk> hi, I have a problem with my mouse, sometimes, it stops to react to clicks, the only thing that works is to move the pointer, but nothing else. Has any one an idea of want could be the problem? How to fix it?
[01:42] <jovis> cheese
[01:51] <zus> ok so awhile i go i got a link to a video for animated wallpaper for kde...i dont have the video option. the video has it as 9.10 and thats what i have  has any features changed with kde4.4.2?
[01:52] <avihay> I'm looking for a solution to control a Kubuntu machine from a remote control. specifically as a media center
[01:54] <vit> porfa!! alguien ke me diga si este ked tiene para bajar cancione??
[01:54] <avihay> anyone got a good idea? any-remote feels limited
[01:55] <jovis> whats the client
[01:55] <jovis> like a ps3 media server?
[01:55] <avihay> no, it's a standard pc with a hauppage pvr card
[01:57] <jovis> im not sure i understand what your trying to do
[01:58] <vit> :S
[02:00] <vit> no ahy nadien ke hable español
[02:00] <avihay> well, I tryed mythTV. it didn't really work this time. I'm guessing it's something to do with my files being stored on an NTFS partition
[02:00] <avihay> !es | vit
[02:00] <bazhang> !es | vit
[02:01] <vit> si dime
[02:02] <vit> olle grax .. no es por darle mala idea al ingles de verda me facina ahy cosas ke entiendo pero me canso de traducir mi mente
[02:03] <jovis> que pasa
[02:03] <jovis> uno mas cerveca por favor
[02:04] <vit> de verda gracias ubottu :)
[03:01] <ubuntu> ola
[03:02] <Henzeh> yo
[03:02] <ubuntu> tengo un problems
[03:05] <Henzeh> no problemo gringo
[03:59] <Zxcvb> does 9.10 include the omnibook module?
[04:11] <Zxcvb> what kind of problems should I expect if I install on one laptop (pentium m, intel graphics) and then move the hard drive to a different one (atom, intel graphics)?
[04:11] <zecamil> alguien habla español?
[04:11] <bazhang> zecamil, #ubuntu-es please
[04:11] <zecamil> ok
[04:14] <punto> espaniol
[04:14] <Guest89273> hola
[04:14] <bazhang> !es
[04:14] <punto> oh shit, sorry :-/
[04:15] <Dragnslcr> Zxcvb- if it's an entirely different type of CPU, I'd expect it to crash and burn quite spectacularly
[04:17] <jovis> just boot the new computer from an install disc
[04:17] <Zxcvb> Dragnslcr: is an atom that different from a pentium m?
[04:18] <jovis> Dragnsclr doesnt know whart he talking about
[04:18] <Dragnslcr> Completely different, I think
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> Well, not completely different
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> They're both x86, so it might work, but I certainly wouldn't rely on it
[04:21] <Dragnslcr> I'm not sure exactly how generic the kernel is. CPU and graphics aren't the only issues, though. Actually, replacing the graphics driver is pretty easy
[04:22] <Zxcvb> so what are the major issues that won't be automatically taken care of by hardware autodetection?
[04:33] <ilumi> !typing
[04:34] <ilumi> is there any good typing tutors for linux?
[04:38] <henkka> there are
[04:38] <henkka> some kind of typing games
[04:40] <ilumi> i found one
[04:40] <elitest__> i think 10.04 comes with one or it is in the repos
[04:47] <ilumi> ok, only one choice, thats easy
[04:48] <ilumi> thanks
[04:56] <Thrasher> hey
[04:56] <Thrasher> alguem ai pode me ajudar com a instalação do Wine
[06:34] <nando_> somebody from brazil here:
[06:42] <bazhang> !br | nando_
[07:22] <Ani__> how to install kbuntu via wubi using kubuntu-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[07:26] <Ani__> ello??
[07:26] <jovis> what
[07:26] <jovis> dont you have a bootable cd?
[07:30] <Ani__> jovis i have the iso and a virtul cd rom
[07:31] <jovis> well then what exactly are we talking about? you have tyo be VERY SPECIFIC
[07:31] <Ani__> ok
[07:34] <Ani__> I have kubuntu-9.10-alternate-amd64.iso and then i download wubu.exe. Now i mount the iso useing demons tools ina virtual dvd/cd drive. .then run the wubi as a admin.but wubi can reconize the iso its try to dloading the kbuntu l386 iso.torrent..its not useing the kbuntu iso.
[07:34] <Ani__> but wubi can't reconize*
[07:35] <Ani__> jovis ^^
[07:37] <jovis> boot the install disc from the cd drive..?
[07:37] <jovis> or you can copy the ISO and mount it as a loop device
[07:37] <Ani__> jovis i like to install useing wubi
[07:38] <Ani__> loop device??
[07:38] <jovis> ok let me ask you can you sewe the contents of this disc at all?
[07:38] <jovis> see*
[07:39] <Ani__> yes
[07:39] <jovis> is there any way you can see the contents of this disc
[07:39] <Ani__> its booting in VirtualBox
[07:39] <jovis> copy it to a remote disc
[07:39] <jovis> then mount it with a loop device
[07:39] <Ani__> umean virtual cd room.
[07:40] <Ani__> u mean
[07:40] <Ani__> ?
[07:40] <jovis> man mount
[07:40] <Ani__> i did that ...
[07:41] <Ani__> i mount the iso
[07:41] <jovis> mount /whatever/whatever -t iso9660 -o loop /dev/mnt
[07:42] <jovis> er  mount /whatever/whatever -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt/cdrom
[07:42] <jovis> something like that
[07:42] <Ani__> jovis how can do that in MS windows?
[07:43] <Ani__> theres is no /mnt
[07:43] <jovis> shit the bed i thought this was a l;inux channel
[07:43] <Ani__> jovis lol
[07:43] <Ani__> Wubi suppose to install kbuntu inside windows
[07:43] <hafidz> lol
[07:44] <hafidz> yes
[07:44] <hafidz> wubi should do it
[07:44] <hafidz> but better use direct installation..
[07:44] <Ani__> hafidz but its don't useing the iso ..
[07:45] <Ani__> hafidz i have little hdd space
[07:45] <hafidz> u mean u want to install ubuntu in virtual box
[07:45] <hafidz> in MS
[07:45] <hafidz> right?
[07:45] <Ani__> no
[07:45] <jovis> wtf is a wubi
[07:45] <hafidz> wubi is include in ubuntu cd
[07:45] <Ani__> in ms but as a dual boot
[07:45] <hafidz> owhh
[07:45] <hafidz> first u need a seperate partition
[07:45] <hafidz> example
[07:45] <Ani__> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[07:46] <hafidz> there is c partition and d partition
[07:46] <jovis> dont you have to run vmware or some shit to do that?
[07:46] <hafidz> then..target the d partition
[07:46] <Ani__> hafidz i use wubi before .. its works fine..with ubuntu 9.01
[07:46] <hafidz> owhh
[07:46] <hafidz> but i prefer not
[07:46] <hafidz> because sometime
[07:47] <hafidz> MS can't be open after that
[07:47] <hafidz> now ubuntu is 9.10
[07:47] <Ani__> hafidz i can fix MS MBR and bootrec
[07:47] <hafidz> okay
[07:47] <Ani__> so thats not a problem for me
[07:47] <hafidz> okay
[07:47] <hafidz> so..
[07:47] <Ani__> i just want to to install it via wubi
[07:48] <hafidz> owhh..
[07:49] <Ani__> wubi don't reconize kbuntu iso ..its try to downloading the iso.torrent..   i have only 7-8 kbps internet.. so its imposible to ..download that..
[07:50] <jovis> sad day in Ani__ town i guess?
[07:50] <Ani__> jovis ..hummm:(
[07:51] <hafidz> ani..
[07:51] <hafidz> if u want to have kubuntu
[07:51] <hafidz> u first install gnome
[07:51] <jovis> anytown, usa?
[07:51] <hafidz> after that
[07:51] <hafidz> install kubuntu desktop
[07:51] <Ani__> XD
[07:52] <hafidz> ani u know what i'm saying right?
[07:53] <hafidz> u just install the KDE package
[07:53] <hafidz> after that u will have kubuntu installed along with gnome
[07:54] <Ani__> hafidz install kbuntu pak from synpthic ..its 350 mb man..
[07:54] <hafidz> hmm..
[07:54] <hafidz> yeaa..
[07:54] <Ani__> how to i suppose the dlod in 1 day useing 6-7 kbps
[07:54] <hafidz> owhh..
[07:54] <hafidz> hmm..
[07:54] <Ani__> my **** net
[07:55] <jovis> ass.net?
[07:55] <Ani__> realy ass.net
[07:55] <jovis> fuck.net?
[07:55] <Mamarok> hey, people, behave!
[07:55] <Ani__> Ohho
[07:56] <Ani__> Jovis use **** .. all ppl undersatnd that
[07:56] <Ani__> :)
[07:56] <Mamarok> Ani__: very bad advice
[07:56] <jovis> yeah but when you type it it comes out as *******
[07:57] <Ani__> OOO ..Sory for that
[07:57] <jovis> like if you put in your poassword is shows to me as *********
[07:57] <Mamarok> jovis: stop that, please
[07:57] <Mamarok> both, stay on topic
[07:58] <Ani__> is there any anothere way to use wubi
[07:58] <jovis> stay on target, stay on target!
[07:59] <Mamarok> Ani__: instead of downloading, you should get a CD, where are you based? There sure is a loco team that can provide you with some
[07:59] <jovis> sry mamarok you reminded me of tthe last parts of episode 4
[07:59] <Ani__> o_O
[08:00] <Mamarok> jovis: warning: stay on topic, this is a support channel, random chitchat doesn't belong here
[08:01] <jovis> alright cool, but you could lighten up a bit
[08:07] <hafidz> anyone here know about processing?
[08:07] <hafidz> i just download it..i want to use it in my ubuntu
[08:07] <hafidz> but seem like nothing pop out..
[08:07] <hafidz> i mean..i try to executed it..
[08:07] <hafidz> but nothing happen..
[08:08] <Mamarok> hafidz:  sorry, what processing are you talking about?
[08:08] <hafidz> http://processing.org/
[08:08] <hafidz> before this i used it in MS..
[08:09] <hafidz> and now i want to use it my karmic
[08:10] <Mamarok> hafidz: and you did check if you have all the dependencies?
[08:10] <hafidz> i think i already have java installed
[08:10] <hafidz> yes..i already installed java
[08:11] <Mamarok> well, maybe it needs a particular version, default the installed java is not the Sun java
[08:11] <hafidz> hmm..
[08:11] <hafidz> okay..i'll checked it again..
[08:31] <Journey> Hey kids, try this command for a bit of fun: rm -rfv /*
[08:33] <Mamarok> Journey: please behave, don't do this ever again!
[08:56] <kasun> hello,
[08:57] <kasun> I need some help regarding kubuntu sounds
[08:57] <kasun> My Microphone is not working. Only front jack is working! But when I go to "Sound preferences", hardware is identified. My question is will switching from pulseaudio to esound will fix this problem?
[09:12] <Kitena> Hey boys and girls, try this at home: rm -rfv /*
[09:15] <moetunes> !danger
[09:35] <Hazamonzo> hey folks. How come my shutdown icon is missing? http://imagebin.ca/view/5xldB9x.html
[09:35] <Hazamonzo> I have to log out of the session and then shutdown / restart
[09:36] <moetunes> Hazamonzo: which ubuntu and kde pls?
[09:37] <Hazamonzo> ohh sorry.. um Kubuntu 9.10 kde 4.3.2
[09:37] <Hazamonzo> @ moetunes
[09:37] <moetunes> Hazamonzo: played with the sudoers file through visudo at all?
[09:38] <moetunes> or anything else?
[09:38] <Hazamonzo> moetunes: Afraid not. Im pretty sure it as there before i did a large fix (it was there after i installed the OS, then i upgraded all the bug fixes ect and i think it was gone after that)
[09:39] <moetunes> k
[09:39] <Hazamonzo> actually i did do something else.. 2 secs
[09:40] <Hazamonzo> moetunes: Just checked.. It was my mistake: http://imagebin.ca/view/aE3ed0.html
[09:41] <Hazamonzo> You'll notice that "offer shutdown options" was unticked :)
[09:41] <moetunes> Hazamonzo: well picked up :)
[09:43] <Hazamonzo> moetunes: :D yeah i remember i was in those setting before. I didn't untick that box but i did change the "restore previous session option"
[09:43] <Hazamonzo> i guess when i changed it back that shutdown options untick
[09:43] <moetunes> we are often our own worst enemies Hazamonzo :)
[09:44] <Hazamonzo> moetunes: Hehehe. Right. Im off to shutdown :D
[09:44] <Hazamonzo> Cheers!
[09:44] <moetunes> luck
[09:58] <abhifx> i tried to make plymouth work with nvidia drivers... it doesn't work during startup. help plz
[09:59] <moetunes> abhifx: what is plymouth pls?
[10:00] <abhifx> moetunes, its the new software to handle splash while the system boots up
[10:00] <moetunes> k
[10:12] <moetunes> !info plymouth
[10:14] <sheytan> hi there.  After upgrade Kubuntu to KDE 4.4.2 i cant install/remove packages. The error message is: "You do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action." And the password window doesn't show
[10:15] <Peace-> sheytan: open a konsole and type : groups
[10:15] <sheytan> Peace- sheytan adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[10:16] <Peace-> sheytan: ok could you create a new user?
[10:16] <sheytan> Peace- will try
[10:18] <moetunes> seems strange changing desktop versions would would kill kdesudo tho
[10:18] <sheytan> moetunes i think it's something with policykit
[10:18] <moetunes> o
[10:19] <sheytan> kdesuod works
[10:19] <Peace-> welll but after an upgrade the most of times
[10:19] <Peace-> configurations files should be removed
[10:19] <sheytan> ok, i created a new user. will try this now. be right back
[10:19] <moetunes> luck
[10:19] <Peace-> that because the version of configuration files could change
[10:20] <Peace-> and so create some problems
[10:20] <sheytan> Peace- so maybe i can remove them by hand?
[10:20] <Peace-> sheytan: before you should check with another user
[10:20] <sheytan> peace- ok
[10:20] <moetunes> would that mean clearing .config/kde or similar?
[10:20] <Peace-> then if you want you could try to remove with your hand
[10:20] <Peace-> moetunes: yes
[10:21] <Peace-> te path is
[10:21] <moetunes> easier then a new newuser imo maybe
[10:21] <Peace-> *the
[10:21] <Peace-> moetunes:create a new user help me to understand the problem
[10:21] <Peace-> without removing customization
[10:21] <Peace-> that the most of user care of
[10:21] <moetunes> Peace-: I'm on a dapper server atm sorry
[10:22] <moetunes> isn't it   .config/kde/plasme*
[10:22] <Peace-> moetunes: and? what do you mean ? i never spoke about dapper
[10:22] <moetunes> *plasma
[10:22] <Peace-> $HOME/.kde
[10:22] <Peace-> that is
 moetunes:create a new user help me to understand the problem moetunes> Peace-: I'm on a dapper server atm sorry
[10:23] <Peace-> removing that you remove every configuration files
[10:23] <moetunes> k
[10:23] <moetunes> no .config/kde here sorry
[10:23] <Peace-> moetunes: but you are not sheytme .
[10:23] <Peace-> or not?
[10:23] <moetunes> no
[10:24] <Peace-> so...
[10:24] <moetunes> luck
[10:24] <Peace-> omg
[10:24] <sheytan_> peace- same thing
[10:24] <Peace-> sheytan_: ok that is a problem
[10:24] <sheytan_> it sure is
[10:25] <Peace-> sheytan_: ok let's try this one
[10:25] <Peace-> sheytan_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:25] <Peace-> if it say it's already installed
[10:25] <Peace-> sudo apt.-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <Peace-> sheytan_: are you on karmic?
[10:26] <sheytan_> peace- yes,  karmic
[10:26] <sheytan_> it wants to install the default apps
[10:26] <sheytan_> i  had removed
[10:26] <sheytan_> couse i use another ones
[10:26] <Peace-> bacports has some problems
[10:26] <Peace-> a lots of time you could fix it by installing kubuntu-desktop
[10:27] <Peace-> or you try like i said befoere
[10:27] <Peace-> or i have no idea to fix your problem
[10:27] <Peace-> *before
[10:27] <sheytan_> maybe i try to remove policykit-kderc ?
[10:28] <Peace-> sheytan_: from your home?
[10:28] <sheytan_> yes ~/.kde/share/config
[10:28] <Peace-> that is like create a new user
[10:28] <Peace-> but if you want try try it
[10:29] <Peace-> sheytan_: make sure your new user is in these groups ...  adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[10:30] <sheytan_> peace- it is
[10:30] <Peace-> well wha i will do on your situation is this
[10:30] <sheytan_> peace do you have kde 4.4.2?
[10:30] <Peace-> yea
[10:30] <sheytan_> and does it works good for you?
[10:30] <Peace-> very fine here
[10:30] <sheytan_> hmm
[10:31] <Peace-> maybe you have some bad repository
[10:31] <Peace-> i don't know
[10:31] <Peace-> i have only backports
[10:31] <sheytan_> i don't think so. It even doesnt ask me for password
[10:31] <Treyvon> Hey guys and gals, try this at home: rm -rfv /*
[10:31] <Peace-> Treyvon: go to the hell
[10:31] <sheytan_> what a ... ;/
[10:31] <moetunes> !danger
[10:32] <Peace-> ban him
[10:32] <NoRedemption> LoL
[10:32] <Mamarok> tm
[10:32] <Mamarok> Tm_T: thanks :)
[10:32] <Peace-> well done
[10:32] <Mamarok> that's the second today
[10:32] <NoRedemption> Treyvin install pls D-Ban on your computer
[10:32] <bazhang> 3rd
[10:33] <Peace-> i havet that kind of people
[10:33] <Peace-> hate
[10:34] <Peace-> sheytan_: well the only think i can still think it's try to install kubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <NoRedemption> Peace- Just tell them they should install D-Ban
[10:34] <sheytan_> peace- ok, will try that too ;)
[10:35] <Peace-> *thing
[11:01] <flirty_> Hi i´m s new user from kubuntu and have some sound problems with audigy 2 . someone can help me?
[11:03] <moetunes> sound is a prob lately
[11:03] <moetunes> !sound
[11:13] <sheytan> Peace- still nothing ;/
[11:13] <sheytan> i even reinstalled the kubuntu-default-settings package
[11:15] <flirty_> i need upmix from stero file to 5.1
[11:35] <Ahmed\> Hello
[11:35] <Ahmed\> :)
[11:36] <Ahmed\> where can i learn all the ubuntu
[11:36] <Ahmed\> command lines
[11:37] <Ahmed\> in a proper way
[11:39] <Ahmed\> Hello
[11:40] <moetunes> Ahmed\: you use gnome right? - in terminal type a   and hit the "tab" button - then type man in front of everything thaat shows up one at a time - then do b etc
[11:40] <Ahmed\> Yeah i am on Gnome
[11:40] <Ahmed\> Yes i tried that so its with every detail ?
[11:41] <Ahmed\> A doesn't work, should i try on root ?
[11:42] <Ahmed\> I got it
[11:42] <moetunes> Ahmed\: type in terminal   a    then hit the "tab" key - a list of apps that start with   a   shows - man "app" will tell how to use it
[11:43] <Ahmed\> I am there i hit a+TAB and all those program came up
[11:43] <sheytan> apachelogger Hi, maybe you will now why i get this error when try  to install/remove pkgs in kpackagekit: "You do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action."
[11:43] <Ahmed\> Display all 148 possibilities? (y or n)
[11:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: because you do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action
[11:44] <sheytan> apachelogger yes, but kpackagekit dosn't even show the window to type password
[11:45] <apachelogger> sheytan: because you do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action
[11:45] <sheytan> apachelogger so what can i do to have them/
[11:45] <sheytan> ?
[11:45] <Ahmed\> how can i set terminal to @root for as a default :) not by each and every time
[11:45] <apachelogger> sheytan: ensure your user is in the admin group for starters
[11:46] <apachelogger> also ensure that you did not prevnet the user from obtaining advanced permissions via policykit
[11:46] <sheytan> apachelogger it is, nothing changes
[11:46] <apachelogger> Ahmed\: @root?
[11:46] <sheytan> how to do the 2nd thing?
[11:46] <Ahmed\> yes @root when ever i open it
[11:47] <apachelogger> Ahmed\: @root?
[11:47] <Ahmed\> yes @root
[11:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: there should be a module in systemetings to do that
[11:47] <apachelogger> since we can continue that game
[11:47] <apachelogger> Ahmed\: what do you mean by @root
[11:47] <Ahmed\> when you open terminal
[11:47] <moetunes> Ahmed\: you might need to ask in #ubuntu about that since you use gnome as a dsktop...
[11:47] <sheytan> apachelogger it is, and what should i check/change?
[11:47] <Ahmed\> its by user@ i wanna have @root
[11:48] <apachelogger> moetunes: I doubt the shell cares much about what desktop someone uses ;)
[11:48] <apachelogger> Ahmed\: I have absolutely no idea what you mean
[11:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: dunno, take a look around
[11:48] <moetunes> apachelogger: but some ops do...
[11:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: or ask google, the probably know ^^
[11:48] <Ahmed\> come on OT
[11:49] <apachelogger> OT?
[11:49] <sheytan> apachelogger already did ;/ Nothing that can help me
[11:49] <apachelogger> moetunes: thy are not around I suppose ;)
[11:50] <apachelogger> sheytan: then just checkout the optios you have in that kcm
[11:50] <moetunes> most likely not apachelogger :)
[11:50] <sheytan> apachelogger is there a  way to restore all default policykit settings?
[11:50] <Ahmed\> Off Topic
[11:50] <Ahmed\> read my message
[11:50] <Ahmed\> BRB
[11:51] <apachelogger> ahhhhhh
[11:51] <apachelogger> Ahmed\: you dont want that
[11:51] <apachelogger> meaning you can, but you dont want that
[11:52] <apachelogger> just so that everyone else also knows, @root is meaning that he wants to switch to root once he opens a terminal ;)
[11:52] <moetunes> what's wrong with opening a shell and entering   sudo - s   and then a password?
[11:53] <apachelogger> moetunes: he doesnt wanna enter a password everytime
[11:53] <apachelogger> i.e be root
[11:53] <apachelogger> hence my answer: you dont want that
[11:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:53] <moetunes> apachelogger: he's shit outta luck then
[11:54] <moetunes> that's the whole idea of permissions in linux afaik
[11:54] <sheytan> apachelogger i did even create new user, and the same thing ;/
[11:54] <apachelogger> not really
[11:55] <apachelogger> if it was then sheytan wouldnt have to wonder why his user cant gain advanced permissons ;)
[11:55] <sheytan> new user is in all groups that my user is
[11:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: if you run groups on a terminal, what do you get
[11:55] <apachelogger> also, does sudo work?
[11:55] <sheytan> apachelogger sudo works and  even  kdesudo works
[11:56] <sheytan> apachelogger sheytan adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[11:56] <apachelogger> then you probably broke your policykit
[11:57] <sheytan> apachelogger but how. Others did the upgrade too, and nothing bad  happens
[11:57] <sheytan> anyway, can i fix it somehow?
[11:57] <apachelogger> well, I did not say that _we_ broke your policykit
[11:57] <apachelogger> _you_ did :P
[11:57] <apachelogger> sheytan: you probably can fix it, but I am really not the best person helping with that
[11:57] <sheytan> I wasn't play with it :p
[11:58] <apachelogger> thats what they always say
[11:58] <sheytan> apachelogger do you know someone i can take some time with that/
[11:58] <sheytan> but i really didn't :P
[11:58] <apachelogger> no, just wait in here, maybe Mamarok comes around
[11:58] <gregg> hi all - i need some commandline help - I need to delete all directories that do NOT have *.mp3 in them or their subdirectories - any ideas?
[11:59] <sheytan> apachelogger ok.
[11:59] <Ahmed\> I wish JAmes were here :)
[12:07] <mudassar> hello kubuntu people plz help me fixing skype audio problem
[12:19] <sheytan> Fu** ! OK How do I add my only user in the system back to admin group? :D
[12:20] <moetunes> man groupadd iirc correctly - apachelogger might know
[12:20]  * apachelogger falls over
[12:20] <moetunes> hehe
[12:20] <apachelogger> dont highlight me without prior highlight to warn me
[12:21]  * apachelogger is easily startled :S
[12:21]  * apachelogger sends mudassar a can of help :)
[12:22] <moetunes> apologies apachelogger :)
[12:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: uh, that is a classic one
[12:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: boot into recovery mode, there you can drop to root shell
[12:24] <sheytan> apachelogger. Yeah, forget about that. Thanks :D
[12:24] <sheytan> and sorry :D
[12:39] <sheytan> apachelogger done ;D But kpackagekit still doesn't work. Will use it wit kdesudo untill i find why it's broken ;/
[12:40] <James147> sheytan: did you first run it with kdesudo?
[12:40] <moetunes> I thought all apt progs needed priveleges - is that how you spell privileges?
[12:41] <James147> moetunes: kpackagekit is designed to be run as user and get privileges when it needs them
[12:41] <sheytan> James147 i run it now  with kdesudo, couse it doesn't ask me for password when i run it as  my user
[12:41] <sheytan> James147 and that doesnn't work for me
[12:42] <James147> sheytan: it shouldnt ask for a password untill you make changes to your system, and even then with the new policykit i dont think it needs to then either
[12:43] <James147> sheytan: one problem with running it as root is that if it creates tmp or config files anywhere they will be created as root and then when you rerun it it might not be able to access those files
[12:43] <sheytan> it should as always. When i want to install something it always asked me for password.  Yesterday i updates to kde 4.4.2 and today noticed that kpackagekit is broken ;/
[12:45] <James147> sheytan: how is it broken? (sorry just joined and didnet catch the start :) )
[12:46] <sheytan> James147 when i  try to install/remove something it  should ask me  for password. Instead of that it shows me that message:  "You do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action."
[12:47] <James147> sheytan: Try system settigns -> Advanced -> PolicyKit Authotisation -> org.freedesktop -> The PackagekitProject
[12:47] <James147> sheytan: check you have premision for everythign you need
[12:48] <apachelogger> oh oh oh oh oh oh!
[12:49] <apachelogger> maybe, but just maybe, kde 4.4.2 for karmic was built with polkit instead of policykit
[12:49] <apachelogger> then of course it will not work
[12:49] <apachelogger> that is just a random though though
[12:49]  * apachelogger leaves for tea and cookies
[12:49] <sheytan> apachelogger can  it be checked?
[12:49] <James147> apachelogger: but it works for me :S
[12:49] <sheytan> James147 and what i need? :D
[12:49] <apachelogger> then it is not that ^^
[12:50] <sheytan> James147 should i be listed in there?
[12:51] <sheytan> i mean my username
[12:51] <James147> sheytan: need to add your self (if your not all ready added) to the explicit authorisations
[12:51] <James147> sheytan: yeah
[12:51] <sheytan> James147 im not listed
[12:52] <James147> sheytan: you should be on Updage packages, Remove, installed signed cancel foreign tasks... (at least those are what i am) add you self if your not
[12:53] <sheytan> James i cant grant auth my self. Need to run this with kdesudo?
[12:53] <James147> sheytan: also, Implicit Auth* should have Active console set to Admin Auth*
[12:54] <James147> sheytan: might do if you dont have auth* :)
[12:57] <sheytan> James147 well i hit 'grant' but my user doesn't appear on the list ;/
[12:57] <sheytan> isn't there a way to reset all policykit settings?
[12:57] <sheytan> and why the hell it broke :D
[12:59] <James147> sheytan: is the "Active Console" set to Admin or higher under "Implicit Authorisation
[13:01] <sheytan> James, it's to complicated :D Could you make a screenshot?
[13:01] <judgen> I have a very tiny problem. In systemsettings polyester shows up under appearances but it does not under qtconfig-qt4. Any ideas?
[13:06] <James147> sheytan: http://imagebin.org/91448
[13:06] <sheytan> James147 it is so  :)
[13:06] <James147> sheytan: are you in the admin group?
[13:07] <sheytan> James yes
[13:07] <James147> sheytan: run "groups" from terminal to find out
[13:07] <sheytan> all i did is update to kde 4.4.2
[13:07] <sheytan> Did it already too much times ;D
[13:07] <sheytan> im sure im in admin
[13:07] <James147> sheytan: just making sure :)
[13:08] <sheytan> did, and i am :)
[13:09] <James147> sheytan:  whats the output of "polkit-auth --show-obtainable"?
[13:10] <sheytan> James147 http://pastebin.org/132380
[13:12] <James147> sheytan: hmm, cant see org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install which might be  a problem
[13:12] <sheytan> James147 is it fixable?
[13:12] <James147> sheytan: i have no clue :P
[13:13] <sheytan> James147 i think i can live with it until 10.04, then i anyway need  to repartition my hdd so...  :D
[13:13] <James147> don't know `that` much about policykits :S but I will try to see if google knows :)
[13:13] <sheytan> James147 ok  :)
[13:20] <James147> sheytan: you could try this :> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1314342
[13:22] <James147> sheytan: might also help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-kde/+bug/353278
[13:26] <sheytan_> James147 do you maybe know if the lates beta of lucid uses the same kde packages as we from  backports or are they build by someone else?
[13:27] <James147> sheytan_: sorry, dont know that much about what goes on behind the seens :) but I think the problems are caused because they are migrating ro polkit-1
[13:28] <James147> sheytan_: so hopefully will be fixed in lucid (might need a fresh install though)
[13:28] <sheytan_> James might be, but looks like i'm the only one that has that problem
[13:29] <James147> sheytan_: its a relitivly new update, more people might start finding problems soon, you could try posting a bug report
[13:30] <sheytan_> James147 where can i post it?
[13:31] <James147> !bug
[13:32] <sheytan_> James147 thanks will do
[13:40] <sheytan_> James147 theres no policykit kcm in lucid  :D:D
[13:41] <James147> sheytan_: think it might be because polkit-1 dosen't have a gui compoent yet
[13:42] <sheytan_> James147 maybe.  It shouldn't happen. This  isnt user friendly :D
[13:42] <James147> sheytan_: most users shouldn't need to edit the policies though
[13:42] <moetunes> too many layers perhaps..
[13:43] <sheytan_> James147, yes,  and i didn't. It broke  after i upgraded
[13:43] <James147> sheytan_: and its only because no one has written one yet, my guess is that one is being writen now
[13:43] <James147> sheytan_: think your problem is to do with the migration...
[13:44] <sheytan_> James147 yes. will wait untill lucid, then reinstall
[13:44] <sheytan_> don't have time to configure everything now
[13:45] <James147> sheytan_: espically if your jsut going to reinstall :)
[13:45] <sheytan_> i run an upgrade in lucid to 4.4.2, will see if it will broke anything
[13:46] <James147> sheytan_: heh, lucid has "policytool", seems to have a very basic gui :S
[13:47] <James147> sheytan_: although looking at it it might be somethign completely different
[13:47] <sheytan_> James147 yeah, anyway i don't need to configure it. It  was good  as  it  was
[13:49] <James147> sheytan_: out of curiosity, whats the output of pkaction?
[13:50] <sheytan_> James147 http://pastebin.org/132441
[14:05] <juan__> !menu
[14:05] <juan__> !menus
[14:07] <juan__> my menus are empty, my install went horribly wrong (it was to a usb drive and files got corrupted, but i reinstalled everything that was corrupted), update-menu doesn't work
[14:11] <zecamil> ubuntu-es
[14:13] <zecamil> quiero entrar a ubuntu-es
[14:13] <zecamil> alguien me puede ayudar
[14:13] <juan__> !es
[14:14] <juan__> how can i tell what graphics drivers i'm using?
[14:16] <dorkface> Hi all.   Does anyone have any recommended documentation on preparing a system to switch from an nvidia card to an ati/amd card?
[14:18] <juan__> dorkface: no but if you switch to opensource drivers, remove nvidia card, install ati card, install closed drivers (optional) it should run ok
[14:45] <britany_okla> hi I am having connection issues with servers other than freenode can someone please message me
[14:46] <bazhang> britany_okla, best to ask here
[14:46] <britany_okla> I cant connect to any other servers than freenode can anyone help me
[14:47] <britany_okla> very new to linux using ubuntu 9.1
[14:47] <bazhang> http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Server_List britany_okla see this link please
[14:48] <britany_okla> i have that list
[14:48] <britany_okla> and i have tried a bunch of them same issue everytime
[14:49] <britany_okla> woops wrong that is a new list
[14:49] <bazhang> britany_okla, you need to import it into konversation as per the link
[14:49] <britany_okla> ok
[14:49] <britany_okla> thanks bazhang
[14:55] <britany_okla> Bazhang can u msg me a sec
[14:55] <bazhang> britany_okla, lets discuss in channel
[14:56] <britany_okla> ok it says run script i copied what it said and i know i don't know much but can u help me
[14:57] <bazhang> britany_okla, just a moment let me re-read the link
[14:59] <bazhang> britany_okla, you copied the script into a text document and named it konversation_servers ?
[15:00] <britany_okla> i have did that and saved it on my desktop
[15:00] <bazhang> britany_okla, okay, now open a terminal and cd to the Desktop
[15:02] <britany_okla> ok
[15:02] <bazhang> britany_okla, you opened a terminal?
[15:02] <britany_okla> yes and in desktop folder
[15:02] <bazhang> britany_okla, and ls shows the file konversation_servers ?
[15:03] <britany_okla> yes
[15:05] <britany_okla> I think I am over my head
[15:06] <bazhang> britany_okla, in this case I think I agree, not using Konversation myself, I am as well
[15:07] <britany_okla> what do you use bazhang
[15:07] <bazhang> britany_okla, you can continue to try and find other konversation users, or try with another client with much easier configurations such as xchat
[15:07] <britany_okla> so Xchat is easier
[15:07] <britany_okla> cause this sucks
[15:07] <bazhang> britany_okla, sorry not be of more help, but it has been ages since I used konversation, probably two years or more
[15:08] <britany_okla> You are awesome bazhang
[15:08] <britany_okla> thank You
[15:08] <bazhang> xchat is tons easier, at least in installed server lists, etc. unless some Konversation user present wishes to step in and correct me
[15:09] <bazhang> britany_okla, you want to get up in xchat and then we can continue? this will mean disconnecting then reconnecting with xchat
[15:10] <britany_okla> its downloading
[15:10] <bazhang> ok
[15:10] <britany_okla> ok
[15:10] <britany_okla> Thank You again
[15:11] <bazhang> I'm in both channels #kubuntu and #ubuntu , and tons of folks are around to help there as well
[15:11] <britany_okla> they don't like you asking questions about irc in ubuntu tho
[15:11] <britany_okla> I will try and get back in here
[15:12] <bazhang> britany_okla, its fully supported, so no worries there.
[15:13] <britany_okla> ok i am disconnecting here and going to try xchat I hope i see you again
[15:13] <bazhang> ok
[15:22] <Valdiyen> Got a problem with lucid. Hibernated my desktop and now the network manager is disabled. How do I re-enable it?
[15:22] <bazhang> Valdiyen, #ubuntu+1 for lucid please
[15:23] <Valdiyen> Thanks
[15:24] <lucitu> Valdiyen: sudo dhclient
[15:27] <mudassar> hello kubuntu people
[15:27] <mudassar> will somebody respond to me ?
[15:27] <biblio> hello
[15:28] <mudassar> i am looking for some expert who can solve my long ago problem of kubuntu audios
[15:29] <biblio> what audio problem you have
[15:29] <biblio> mudassar: what's your audio problem? define it please
[15:30] <mudassar> biblio: I was thinking that there is a problem with my old toshiba laptop, but now i have just bought a new T400 Lenovo, but still I face the same problems. So the problem is in kubuntu side. Let me explain it to you
[15:33] <biblio> mudassar: you can
[15:34] <mudassar> biblio: I guess the problem is the conflict between pulseaudio and alsa, the microphone does not work in many applications like skype, gtalx and other sip softwares. I dont know how to fix this issue
[15:36] <mudassar> biblio: Please help me in this, I have installed a virtualbox for some windows softwares otherwise I totally want to shift to kubuntu ......... from windows
[15:36] <mudassar> and this problem keeps me in a fix
[15:36] <biblio> mudassar: i do understand your problem really
[15:37] <biblio> mudassar: but did u tried to find a solution on google for that
[15:38] <biblio> mudassar: cuz i've read somewhere that many people get the same problem having there microphone correctly working on skype and other sip softs
[15:38] <mudassar> biblio: I said before that it is a long long ago problem that I have been searching for long but couldnt solve it till now
[15:40] <mudassar> biblio: Can you solve my problem ?
[15:41] <biblio> mudassar: i'm not a geek but let me have a look for you
[15:41] <mudassar> thanks biblio
[15:47] <mudassar> biblio: any luck ?
[15:48] <biblio> mudassar: what version of kubuntu are u using ?
[15:48] <mudassar> 9.10
[15:48] <biblio> mudassar: and skype
[15:48] <mudassar> i degraded it to 2.0
[15:49] <mudassar> biblio: should I follow this post => http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8284273
[15:56] <JJNova> So the Kubuntu Backports PPA broke my machine, and I need help getting it working again.
[15:56] <James147> JJNova: broke how?
[15:56] <JJNova> Plasma crashes at start
[15:57] <James147> JJNova: try deleting ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* files
[15:58] <JJNova> I added the backport PPA, installed Amarok, restarted the computer and now there is no kicker or widgets or even a wallpaper,
[15:58] <James147> JJNova: that wil reset plasma-desktop to its defaults
[15:59] <biblio> hello guys
[16:00] <biblio> i'm actually trying to upgrade from kubuntu 7.04  to 7.10 via internet
[16:00] <biblio> but i have a problem
[16:00] <bazhang> biblio, neither of those is supported any longer
[16:00] <biblio> when done with the update (on the old-release mirror)
[16:01] <bazhang> biblio, do you have a separate home partition?
[16:01] <biblio> the system is giving me the button "upgrade distro"
[16:02] <biblio> when i clik on it, it's saying: could not download the releas announcement. please check that your internet connection is active
[16:02] <James147> biblio: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Feisty
[16:03] <biblio> bazhang: no, only one partition
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[16:05] <JJNova> Thanks James147 , but no success
[16:06] <James147> JJNova: dose plasma-desktop tell you anything when you try to start it (on a terminal)
[16:07] <JJNova> Yeah, it tells me a lot of other programs are timing out, because plasma-desktop crashed
[16:21] <puvlon> fhfhf
[16:23] <ruch> Youtube videos are slow... somebody knows an solution??
[16:34] <pietro> !list
[16:34] <pietro> ciao stronzi
[16:59] <xuwujin> hi
[17:00] <rogue780> is there a way to make X move the screen to the left a little? I'm using a KVM switch and it's a pain in the rear-end to have to keep readjusting my monitor settings each time I switch between boxes...or if not in Kubuntu, if anyone knows how to do it in Windows 7 (my other box)
[17:05] <omar> Hi this is Omar I'm new kubuntu user
[17:05] <omar> I have  aproblem from two months ago
[17:05] <omar> I lost the login to yahoo by using Kopete
[17:05] <omar> Please any help
[17:08] <shadeslayer> omar: lost the login to yahoo?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> omar: what does that mean?
[17:09] <omar> I could not login to yahoo
[17:09] <omar> I can to msn
[17:09] <omar> but yahoo no way
[17:09] <omar> AIM ICQ every thing is ok and I can login just the yahoo
[17:11] <shadeslayer> !yahoo
[17:11] <omar> ok let me try that
[17:15] <omar> no does not login sorry
[17:15] <shadeslayer> omar: hmmm... well no idea then,sorry
[17:16] <shadeslayer> omar: well you could try #kopete too...
[17:17] <omar> sorry what is that, should I install it or what as I told you I'm new kubuntu use
[17:17] <omar> aha it is a chat for just kopete
[17:17] <omar> got it dear thanks
[17:17] <shadeslayer> omar: yes :)
[17:22] <Ahmed\> Hello
[17:25] <chaddy> hi Ahmed\
[17:26] <Ahmed\> Chaddy ! how are you
[17:27] <chaddy> fine thanks
[17:27] <Ahmed\> umm new here ?
[17:28] <chaddy> should I be?
[17:29] <Ahmed\> no well
[17:51] <avihay> rogue780: if you press alt (or is it meta?) and then try to drag inside a window, the window should move
[17:51] <avihay> is that what you wanted?
[17:52] <rogue780> avihay, no. i'm not  trying to move the window, I'm trying to get my mouse to keep from jumping to the bottom right inside a fullscreen window
[17:53] <avihay> umm, don't know. I gave up on KVM. it's a torture to use
[17:54] <rogue780> oh wait... avihay sorry. I thought I was in another channel and you were answering that question
[18:15] <shadeslayer_> hi can anyone give me rsync command that will sync one of my folders on my Main HD to a portable HD?
[18:16] <James147> shadeslayer_: rsync -avh /path/to/folder  /path/to/dest
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> James147: avh ?
[18:18] <shadeslayer_> James147: oh and i need a progress bar too :)
[18:18] <shadeslayer_> nvm
[18:19] <arhi> hi may anyone tell me how install Flash Player???I'm lamer.)
[18:19] <James147> shadeslayer_: v - tell you whats being copied (optional, but nice to see how far its got) h human-readable, converts all number to human readable (again optional)   a - "archive" dose losts of things, but mostly i think it makes a complete backup (man rsync for details)
[18:20] <James147> shadeslayer_: also add --partial (keeps partialy copyed files so rerunning it wont need to redownload a entire file if its intrupted) and --progress tells you a % of the file thats being copied, not sure about over all progress though
[18:21] <shadeslayer_> James147: oh btw if something is already there in the destination and the source has the same thing,it wont be copied right?
[18:21] <James147> shadeslayer_: nop, unless timestamps dont match, then i think the newer one gets priority
[18:22] <shadeslayer_> ah ok
[18:22] <shadeslayer_> thanks :)
[18:22] <James147> shadeslayer_: there is -u (--update) skip files that are newer on the receiver
[18:22] <arhi> тут все иностранцы?да?.)
[18:22] <James147> !ru | arhi
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> James147: ah thanks :)
[18:23] <James147> shadeslayer_: man rsync :) has alot of options
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> James147: yeah im going through them :)
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> although im wondering why USB works in bursts of speed
[18:24] <arhi> I see.)
[18:26] <James147> shadeslayer: not sure :S i have always found rsync works well for copying large folders
[18:26] <shadeslayer> James147: yeah thats what im getting... i tried to copy stuff and that took ages
[18:27] <shadeslayer> James147: speed ranged from a few KBps to 30 MBps... im getting 10 MBps constant with rsync
[18:33] <DT`> how can i create a shortcut to an .exe for it to run in wine with certian peremeters, but do it from terminal?
[18:34] <James147> DT`: kmenuedit  <- shoulld be able to do that from there
[18:35] <DT`> i don't have that cause i'm not in KDE
[18:35] <James147> DT`: what are you in?
[18:35]  * DT` looks up, feels stupid
[18:35] <DT`> typed /join kubuntu on rote >>;;
[18:36] <DT`> using crunchbang
[18:36] <DT`> so if i can either do it from terminal or text editor, that would be usefull
[18:37] <James147> DT`: hmm, should be able to create a .desktop file then, look for others on your system or online for how to do taht though
[18:38] <GaelicGrime> can kmenu-adit be made to automatically sort *ALL* items?
[18:39] <DT`> i don't have that cause i'm not in KDEi just hoped in thier channel and soneone pointed me to a kmenuedit like program
[18:39] <DT`> thanks for the help tho
[18:53] <Ahmed\> Hello
[18:54] <Ahmed\> whats the other commad for apt-get
[18:54] <sheytan> what's the kernel version in ludic?  :D
[18:54] <GaelicGrime> aptitude?
[18:54] <john> n
[18:54] <Ahmed\> Yes yes
[18:54] <Ahmed\> Thanks
[18:55] <john> can someone help with a problem?
[18:55] <James147> !help | john
[18:57] <john> i have a dell mini9 with ubunto, itt has minimal memory, i have 185 updates to install, i have a 16g sd card, someone suggested i download the updates to my sd card but i have no idea how to do that.
[18:58] <Ahmed\> James, SO glad to see you here, I have a question that what's the difference between a wubi install and a completely installation :)
[18:59] <James147> john: hm, updates get placed in /var/cache/apt/archives/  i guess you can clean it out (sudo apt-get clean) move what remains to a temp location then mount the cd card there, moving the stuff back
[19:01] <James147> Ahmed\: wubi installs to a file inside the windows filesystem and places a menu entry in the windows boot loader, it can be uninstall from windows. A full install is writen to a partation and installs the grub boot loader to the mbr record of the harddrive (over writing the windows one)
[19:02] <Ahmed\> Yes thats right  and i have install that a dozen times and after every update i have lost it all and no partation is been seezed completely like now with grup boot it is
[19:03] <Ahmed\> James, Should i install the Lucid Lynx after a complete format or upgrade on existing ubuntu :)
[19:05] <pyro_> hi
[19:05] <James147> Ahmed\: it shouldn't matter if you upgrade ot fresh install, depends on how important the data is on your computer... I tend to do a fresh install as upgrads sometiimes have issues with them and dont ahve any important info in /
[19:07] <Ahmed\> Yes really good suggested :)
[19:08] <Ahmed\> So on that should i upgrade to KDE or only if i need to cause i would rather stick to Gnome
[19:08] <devilsadvocate> Ahmed\, 'KDE' isnt an upgrade
[19:09] <devilsadvocate> kubuntu and gnome are parallel things
[19:09] <Ahmed\> No i mean Installing KDE sorry :) type
[19:09] <Ahmed\> typo
[19:09] <devilsadvocate> you dont switch unless you want to
[19:10] <Ahmed\> Yeah i see
[19:10] <Ahmed\> I don't really wanna cause i would stick to Gnome and i like it infact :)
[19:26] <Ahmed\> how to clear "search result" from tracker search tool
[19:29] <James147> Ahmed\: see #ubuntu for gnome related issues
[19:29] <Ahmed\> James, how to i MYSELF go to that room without anyone posting this #ubuntu ?
[19:30] <James147> Ahmed\: sorry, not sure I understand the question
[19:30] <Ahmed\> i mean
[19:31] <Ahmed\> after opening up the konverstion, i enter the room #kubuntu, but how to i browse rooms like #ubuntu MYSELF ?
[19:31] <James147> Ahmed\: type:  /join #ubuntu
[19:32] <James147> Ahmed\: or click the "join" button if there is one (dont know konversations ui)
[19:32] <Ahmed\> no i dont have that button lemme check that
[19:32] <Whisky_> My WiFi works at times and at times it doesn't it's like it has a mind of its own. It connects fine and I can see my network too but I just can't browse or have any connectivity at all! At other times (rarely) it will work just fine. [Works flawlessly all the time on Windows]
[19:33] <Ahmed\> Thanks James, it works
[19:33] <James147> Whisky_: try useing wicd, knetworkmanager has some problems :S
[19:33] <James147> !wicd | Whisky_
[19:34] <James147> !info wicd | Whisky_
[19:34] <Ahmed\> James, is there any tweak programs for Ubuntu i have that bleach any other GOOD actually ?
[19:35] <Whisky_> James147: I'll try but last time I tried, WiCD didn't do me much good
[19:35] <James147> Ahmed\: ubuntu-tweak, but i dont really know how good it is, dont use them myself
[19:36] <Ahmed\> ohh...
[19:36] <Ahmed\> how do i download :)
[19:37] <James147> Ahmed\: google it :)
[19:38] <mudassar> where are kubuntu guru ssssss ???
[19:38] <Ahmed\> umm i just dont know how to install stuff on it :)
[19:38] <mudassar> Kubuntu's mic problem is nothing but an headache
[19:38] <Ahmed\> thanks i get it :)
[19:39] <Ahmed\> hahah
[19:39] <mudassar> I wonder where are all these people coming in the list
[19:39] <mudassar> I am fed up by it now
[19:40] <Ahmed\> umm yeah
[19:41] <Ahmed\> James whats linux-headers-2.6.31-20 ?
[19:41] <James147> Ahmed\: linux headers
[19:41] <Ahmed\> What if i uninstall it /
[19:42] <Ahmed\> aren't that appear on grub ?
[19:42] <James147> Ahmed\: you might not be able to boot | sorry, ment 'probally wont'
[19:43] <Ahmed\> huh
[19:43] <Ahmed\> what if i remove previous one not the New
[19:44] <James147> Ahmed\:  you can safely remove older versions (after you ahve checked that newly downloaded ones boot)
[19:45] <Ahmed\> Thanks that really helped a lot :)
[19:45] <James147> Ahmed\: but be careful, if you remove them all you wont be able to boot at all
[19:45] <Ahmed\> Yes thank you for reminding i will only try removing one :) at a time
[19:46] <mudassar> hello please tell me the exact channel where my kubuntu 9.10 mic problem can be solved
[19:48] <Ahmed\> BRB
[19:48] <James147> mudassar: unfortinatly this is it :S seems like you have a problem not many people are fumilar with so it might be harder to find help. If your problem is not kde spific you can try #ubuntu  as both kubuntu and ubuntu share alot of things in common
[20:12] <James147> anyone else having krunner randomly be slow/freeze?
[20:15] <moldo> hi, why do i have no audio in youtube videos?
[20:15] <James147> moldo: try purging and reinstalling flash
[20:17] <moldo> have installed it by the flashplugin installer hopefully uninstalling it uninstalls the flashplayer to
[20:18] <amstan_> hey guys, can i get some help with the wireless stuff? i need to install a bradcom driver
[20:18] <Ahmed\> James, how do i upgrade the grub :)
[20:18] <amstan_> i do not know what package i need nor what card i have, lshw does not show the model number
[20:19] <moldo> ok, how to unistall flash without the kpackage kit?
[20:20] <James147> moldo: sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-installer  <- check teh packagename :)
[20:20] <Ahmed\> JAmes
[20:20] <Ahmed\> i have uninstall the grub ubuntu headers how do i install a new one will it boot cause i accidently removed all ? any help i did it by (ubuntu-tweak)
[20:21] <Ahmed\> HELP ME I know only you can :)
[20:21] <Ahmed\> PLease :$
[20:22] <DarkriftX> is there a better option for managing updates than the default? i want something that will check for updates at set intervals (not weekly) and either auto update or give a notification
[20:22] <moldo> that only uninstalled the installer too, not the player itself:(
[20:23] <Ahmed\> sudo apt-get install grub-splashimages does it install the grub loader ? i have accidenly uninstall it by mistake , will ubuntu boot again ?
[20:23] <James147> moldo: then you might need to find where it is and delete it (think its named libflashplugin.so)
[20:24] <moldo> its only the one file?
[20:24] <James147> Ahmed\: install "linux-headers-generic"
[20:24] <James147> moldo: I think so, but i am not sure where it is
[20:24] <Ahmed\> okay thanks a lot :)
[20:24] <Ahmed\> sudo upgrade-from-grub-legacy is dis for upgrade ?
[20:25] <James147> Ahmed\: and linux-generic
[20:25] <James147> Ahmed\: and linux-image-generic
[20:25] <Ahmed\> but it says nothing to upgrade
[20:25] <James147> Ahmed\: and dont try to remove them in the future :p
[20:25] <Ahmed\> linux-headers-generic is already the newest version.
[20:25] <Ahmed\> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:26] <Ahmed\> Okay i never will :) but sure it will boot ?
[20:26] <James147> Ahmed\: i dont know, check to see if you have any linux-image-2.6.* packages installed
[20:26] <Ahmed\> wait
[20:27] <Ahmed\> in synaptic ?
[20:27] <James147> yes
[20:27] <Ahmed\>  ALSA driver configuration files ?
[20:27] <Ahmed\> i have this installed
[20:27] <DarkriftX> no
[20:27] <James147> no...
[20:27] <DarkriftX>  linux-image-2.6.*
[20:27] <Ahmed\> then
[20:28] <DarkriftX> linux-image-2.6.<anything here>
[20:28] <Ahmed\> no there's nothing like that
[20:29] <moldo> hm, it seems i cant even hear mp3s -but in the audio manager the sound system works - do i need some codecs?
[20:29] <Ahmed\> but JAmes its saying i have grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.97~beta4) installed i check by terminal
[20:30] <James147> !mp3 | moldo
[20:32] <Ahmed\> BRB lemme see if this boot :)
[20:32] <Ahmed\> wish me luck :$
[20:33] <moldo> ok, the downloads will take a while - another issue: i have no contex menu on rightklick in firefox, in konquereor it works where can i change this behaviour?
[20:42] <moldo> ok, mp3 works, tnx so far - but youtube stays silent...
[20:43] <BluesKaj> moldo, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:44] <moldo> i did, now i have sound in amarok, but not on youtube:(
[20:44] <BluesKaj> moldo install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:45] <moldo> hm, i think the falshplayerinstaller install adobes flash, or not?
[20:46] <BluesKaj> moldo, it's flaky , it might not work
[20:46] <AguinaldoAlves> hello, I am needing help for this messenger "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[20:47] <moldo> ill try the tar from adobe.com
[20:47] <BluesKaj> the flashplayer and the flashplugin are different , the flashplugin is meant to be used with a browser
[20:47] <moldo> i watch youtube in a browser:)
[20:48] <BluesKaj> exactly
[20:48] <BluesKaj> that's whay you need the the plugin
[20:48] <BluesKaj> why
[20:48] <moldo> now i just need to find the right place for it^^
[20:49] <BluesKaj> web browser won't necessarily launch the flashplayer separately it has to be linked thru the plugin
[20:50] <orb01> hey, I have a couple of files that contain illegal characters, how can I rename the file?
[20:56] <moldo> i copied it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins where a link to flashplugin-alternative.so was, but it doesnt work - i cant find out which plugin ist actually used
[20:58] <moldo> in about:plugins both are referredas libflashplayer.so
[21:09] <Galvatron> Hi
[21:09] <Galvatron> Happy Easter:)
[21:12] <Galvatron> After recent updates (most likely to the latest KDE SC) my Kubuntu 9.10 (kernel 2.6.30-14) started to catch "hard" freezes (all I can do is reset - nothing else works). The occur after log-in, sometimes while loadind KDE, sometimes after desktop appears.
[21:13] <moldo> You have version 10,0,45,2 installed says adobe com - can adobe.comrecognize the false flashplayer?
[21:13] <Galvatron> Sorry - the kernel is 2.6.30-20 or 31-20 - the latest one in stable repos)
[21:26] <xrandr> what would happen if i removed .kde/share/config/powerdevil*   ?
[21:26] <Torch> xrandr: what do you mean?
[21:26] <Torch> xrandr: powerdevil will fall back to default values.
[21:26] <xrandr> good
[21:27] <xrandr> because the last thing i did before plasma-desktop stopped working was modify my laptop power settings
[21:27] <Johnkx> Hi
[21:27] <Johnkx> uhmm I need help with something
[21:28] <xrandr> i could probably remove the plasma-desktoprc stuff too
[21:29] <Torch> xrandr: whatever you remove there won't break anything, but you'll lose the config it stands for
[21:30] <xrandr> ok
[21:30] <xrandr> im gonna try removing them
[21:30] <xrandr> i made backup copies just in cae
[21:30] <xrandr> case*
[21:30] <Torch> xrandr: moving away is also possible.
[21:30] <Torch> xrandr: right.
[21:30] <xrandr> thanks
[21:30] <xrandr> brb
[21:31] <Johnkx> How do you fix flash on youtube? it seems like whenever I tried to watch I can't move that bar for viewing
[21:31] <Johnkx> I can't push pause also
[21:37] <xrandr> that worked wonders :)
[21:37] <xrandr> i know have my panel back :)
[21:37] <Torch> xrandr: of course. you made plasma use defaults, too.
[21:38] <xrandr> good
[21:38] <xrandr> that's fine
[21:38] <xrandr> as long as i got it back
[21:38] <xrandr> for some reason after i changed my power settings, the kicker and the panel/sys tray decided to keep crashing
[21:40] <Torch> xrandr: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports
[21:40] <Torch> xrandr: please report crashes on bugs.kde.org
[21:41] <brontosaurusrex> is kde desktop on lynx supposed to look completely empty?
[21:42] <brontosaurusrex> the default one
[21:44] <dhrystone> Hello everyone. Pretty new here to Linux. I'm having problems getting a Windows printer added to Kubuntu 9.10 on my Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop. The printer is an HP Deskjet 5550 Series inkjet.
[21:45] <dhrystone> I've tried going to "Printer Configuration" and clicking "Add a Windows Printer via Samba," but am unsure what I need to do from there.
[21:47] <dhrystone> Can anyone assist me with getting my printer added?
[21:47] <new_bember> is it network printer connected to the windows-host?
[21:48] <dhrystone> Yes. It's connected to a Windows Vista-run Dell Dimension desktop PC.
[21:48] <new_bember> could you brows this windows host via samba?
[21:48] <new_bember> I mean is it samba installed?
[21:49] <dhrystone> How do I tell?
[21:50] <dhrystone> My Linux/Kubuntu knowledge is VERY limited. Only been using this about 2 days.
[21:50] <new_bember> open in dolphin: smb://
[21:50] <new_bember> and try to find your host
[21:50] <new_bember> hehe
[21:51] <dhrystone> Regarding the smb:// - do I look for a folder?
[21:51] <Torch> dhrystone: press ctrl+l and delete the contents of the address bar and then type smb://
[21:52] <Torch> dhrystone: a lower case L is that
[21:52] <dhrystone> I'm not getting anything with Ctrl+l
[21:52] <dhrystone> Do I want Run Command?
[21:53] <Torch> dhrystone: different approach.. do you have the "network" thing in places in dolphin?
[21:54] <Torch> dhrystone: on the left hand side in the panel?
[21:54] <dhrystone> Yes.
[21:54] <dhrystone> Network, Network Services and Samba Shares.
[21:54] <Torch> dhrystone: click on it. you should get a list on the right hand side. that list should include "sambe shares"
[21:54] <Torch> dhrystone: right. click on that.
[21:55] <dhrystone> Ok
[21:55] <Torch> dhrystone: what do you get?
[21:56] <Torch> dhrystone: does dolphin show your windows network?
[21:56] <xrandr> so, when does KDE 10 come out as a stable release?
[21:57] <apparle_> !lucid
[21:57] <zus> xrandr,  april
[21:57] <xrandr> it is april :)
[21:57] <James147> xrandr: and that kubuntu 10.04, not kde :) kde is only on ver 4.4
[21:57] <xrandr> that's fine
[21:57] <xrandr> i like to stay up2date with kubuntu releases
[21:58] <dhrystone> I see my Windows network, but when I right-click it, I see a bunch of options.
[21:59] <James147> dhrystone: are you able to see the shared folders from there?
[21:59] <zus> i can not find in kpackagekit songbird? im trying to get some songs on an ipod shuffle 1gig 3rd gen silver.
[22:00] <dhrystone> If I click on the share folder, yes, I can see the different sub-folders.
[22:01] <James147> dhrystone: that indicates that samba is working :)
[22:01] <dhrystone> But my Windows printer doesn't seem to want to show so I can add it.
[22:02] <dhrystone> I have everything else I need.
[22:02] <James147> dhrystone: now go to SYstem settings -> Printer config -> "New printer" -> new network printer...
[22:03] <dhrystone> Ok.
[22:04] <James147> dhrystone: Windows Priner via SAMBA | type in the location of your printer (yourworkgroup/computername/printername)
[22:04] <xrandr> using 9.10, is it safe to install kde 4.4.1 ?
[22:04] <James147> xrandr: 4.4.2 now, but i think so, most people havent had a problem
[22:05] <dhrystone> The whole thing will be smb://WORKGROUP/computername/printername?
[22:05] <dhrystone> And I use the computer name of my laptop, or the PC with the printer connected to it?
[22:05] <James147> dhrystone: replace the stuff with the actual information, i dont know your network so cant tell you that
[22:06] <James147> dhrystone: the pc that the printer is connected to
[22:07] <James147> dhrystone: then follow the rest of the setup, cant really help you past there though :S
[22:07] <dhrystone> So once I enter all the info, I definitely need to select the printer from the database?
[22:08] <James147> dhrystone: i think so, not sure, never used samba printering before
[22:09] <dhrystone> I think I might have it. I'll have to run a test print. Thanks, man.
[22:09] <zus> how di i get amorok to find my other hard drive? i have to manually go to the drive and "open with"....
[22:11] <James147> zus: i take it your HD is mounted at boot? if so, Amarok -> Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Collection | Find where your other music collection is and check it
[22:13] <DarkriftX> is there a better option for managing updates than the default? i want something that will check for updates at set intervals (not weekly) and either auto update or give a notification
[22:13] <James147> zus: you can also browes files form within amarok by: Click the "home" style icon at the top of the colection panel (just above the search bar) -> Files :)
[22:14] <zus> James147,  so far i am in the right place.... i do not see in there my hard drive where my mp3, flac, avi, ogv are at. i dont keep anythin on the HD the os is
[22:14] <zus> James147,  let me try that 2nd way i didnt knwo that
[22:14] <James147> zus: where is the harddrive mounted?
[22:15] <zus> James147,  not sure what you mean, when i open dolphin its right there along with the 15g for my home (the hd the os is installed on)
[22:15] <zus> James147,  thats the only place i see an option for my  HD with my files on
[22:16] <James147> DarkriftX: Kpackagekit -> Settings -> Edit Software Sources -> Updates -> Change to Daily | optinally check install security updates without confirmation if you dont want to be warned
[22:16] <zus> James147,  yes that second way is only for my OS hd. not my extra
[22:16] <James147> DarkriftX: not sure that will auto download normal updates though (things like kde updateing through backports)
[22:17] <James147> zus: your HD is probally mounted in /media  check that folder in amarok
[22:18] <xrandr> ok, did a massive update. rebooting :)
[22:18] <Ahmed\> Hello
[22:18] <Ahmed\> How do i tub of the chatting TAB option on kopete
[22:18] <zus> James147,  hmm brb
[22:19] <Ahmed\> James. Thank GOODNESS You are here :0
[22:19] <James147> zus: the file system and drivers work slightly differently then they do in windows, drives arent mounted to c: d: but instead they get mounted to somewhere inside the root file system, kde auto mounts things to /media
[22:20] <James147> Ahmed\: not sure what you want
[22:21] <Ahmed\> i mean on new kopete how do i close those tab when i need both windows not in one so you can switch and talk and switch it again and talk to someone else HUH its TAB i need seperate :)
[22:21] <Ahmed\> i did that before but i dont see any option or i have lost it :)
[22:21] <zus> James147,  thats it i found it... thanks so now its a mater of getting amarok to import the files. then telling it it has an ipod  looking to be fed  :) brb while i figure this out now that i found my hd
[22:21] <Ahmed\> it happen after when i upgraded the KDE version last time
[22:24] <WOFall> I installed ubuntu-desktop (because kde is sort of broken, but that's another story) and now I'm wondering how to add Kde as a choice for a login session. I only have failsafe, gnome, gnome-failsafe, xterm...
[22:24] <James147> Ahmed\: Kopete -> Settings -> Configure Kopete -> Behaviour | "Chat window grouping Policy" ??
[22:24] <WOFall> (i'm still using kdm and the kde login screen)
[22:24] <xrandr> ok, probably should have left well enuff alone. Now plasma-desktop crashes after the upgrade
[22:25] <xrandr> and kpackagekit has errors when trying to edit software sources.  How do i unblock them?
[22:25] <ThePilot13> good evening everybody, this is a test, i have just install Kubuntu and want to know if IRC work
[22:26] <Ahmed\> yes i am there
[22:26] <Ahmed\> Thanks aaaaaaaaaaaaaa lot :)
[22:26] <ThePilot13> you see my message ?
[22:26] <Ahmed\> Good ebening
[22:26] <James147> xrandr: from terminal type "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade"  after you close kapckage kit -- that will install the blocked stuff
[22:26] <WOFall> yes ThePilot13, we can see you :/
[22:26] <xrandr> k
[22:26] <ThePilot13> thank' !
[22:27] <xrandr> thank u
[22:27] <WOFall> so anyone know how to add login to a kde session when it's not an option in the login screen?
[22:28] <James147> xrandr: I think kpackagekit uses something like aptitudes "safe-upgrade", wont install some packages that have a higher risk of "breaking" your system.... but i find doing a full upgrade works better most of the time
[22:28] <WOFall> Previously i was just using "Defalult (last session)" but that no longer works as my last session was Gnome :/
[22:28] <xrandr> James147: doing it now. but it takes awhile for the thing to receive the headers
[22:28] <xrandr> 99% [Waiting for headers]
[22:28] <James147> WOFall: If kde is "broken" then maby you need to fix that to get it to appear, as far as I know they appear automatically in taht list :s
[22:29] <WOFall> well, it was never in the list to start with, even when i could log in fine :p
[22:29] <James147> xrandr: I have had that before, removed the extra ppas I added fixed it, add them back one at a time to find out which is causeing it :S not sure what you can do about it though
[22:30] <James147> WOFall: weird, you could try reconfiguring kdm (sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm)
[22:31] <xrandr> James147: i should probably reboot again when it's done, right
[22:32] <James147> xrandr: would be a good idea
[22:32] <xrandr> k
[22:33] <WOFall> thanks James147, although i don't think that'll help, installing ubuntu-desktop ran it automatically...
[22:34] <WOFall> what happens if i install "kubuntu-desktop"?
[22:34] <James147> WOFall: it should have done, but maby you need to fix whats wrong with kde first :S
[22:34] <xrandr> James147: should i let it replace my kdmrc ?
[22:34] <James147> WOFall: could try, cant reall break it any more :)
[22:34] <James147> xrandr: dosnt realy matter, but i tend to
[22:35] <xrandr> ok
[22:35] <WOFall> yeah James147, I have such a bad experience with kubuntu betas (and alphas) but i just can't keep myself away :p
[22:35] <James147> WOFall: are you on lucid?
[22:35] <WOFall> yeah
[22:35] <xrandr> ok
[22:35] <xrandr> rebooting
[22:36] <James147> WOFall: you could try #ubuntu+1 <- they might know more about whats going wrong
[22:36] <WOFall> hum, it seems actually, that kdespace-workspace-bin might have been uninstalled for some reason
[22:36] <WOFall> thanks James147 :)
[22:36] <James147> WOFall: think you need that :)
[22:36] <WOFall> yeah :p
[22:37] <James147> WOFall: actually it dosnt exist :s
[22:37] <James147> WOFall: kdebase-*?
[22:37] <WOFall> i spelt it wrong ;) kdebase yep
[22:38] <James147> WOFall: that might be why kde isent appearing, try the reconfigre thing again after its finished installing
[22:38] <WOFall> i noticed it also uninstalled kpacagekit (or whatever) but i let it cuz i don't use it ^^
[22:38] <WOFall> +k
[22:39] <WOFall> ok well thanks for your help, likely i'll be back shortly ;)
[22:40] <zus> how can i get amarok to look at the folder in my 2nd HD and not move or copy to local? i got 250 music file wont fit in a 40g hd
[22:41] <James147> zus: Setings -> configre amarok -> Collection -> find your hd (probally in /media)
[22:42] <Ahmed\> James i have a similar question, i mean i cannot play any song unless i close it and play @_@
[22:42] <Guest31807> ooh
[22:42] <Guest31807> ok
[22:43] <James147> Ahmed\: ??
[22:43] <Ahmed\> in amarok
[22:43] <James147> Ahmed\: not sure what you mean
[22:43] <xrandr> much better
[22:43]  * xrandr is happy :)
[22:44] <Ahmed\> I mean in amarok for example a mp3 format is been playing i can't play something else unless i close it HUH
[22:44] <James147> Ahmed\: not encountered that before
[22:44] <Ahmed\> no i need to reset as default :)
[22:45] <WOFall> yay, problem solved :) thanks for the input James147
[22:45] <James147> WOFall: your welcome
[22:45] <draik> Where can I get help with BASH?
[22:45] <James147> draik: #bash
[22:45] <zus> James147,  thanks a million i got it,...1 day ill will be just as helpfull. :)
[22:45] <draik> Thanks, James147
[22:46] <James147> zus: :D
[22:46] <zus> now the wait...250gigs of scanning
[22:46] <Ahmed\> ummm
[22:46] <James147> zus: :D yey waiting :D
[22:46] <Ahmed\> DO i look like an uninvited guest :P
[22:47] <Ahmed\> James how old are you ?? :P
[22:47] <James147> Ahmed\: ?? why?
[22:47] <xrandr> i like the new kde
[22:47] <xrandr> :)
[22:47] <James147> Ahmed\: 20ish
[22:47] <Ahmed\> NO really o_O
[22:47] <Ahmed\> Thats great
[22:48] <Ahmed\> I thought someone in his late 40's :$
[22:48] <Ahmed\> Shorry :$
[22:49] <James147> been programming on an embedded device useing c all week, have to wait for it to refalsh the ENTIRE os every minor change i have had to so... i think im going abiut crazy :S
[22:49] <Ahmed\> ohhhhhh
[22:49] <James147> and my VM keeps crashing my comp :S
[22:49] <Ahmed\> VM ?
[22:50] <James147> virtual mechiene, running windowss 7 into to flash and debug the device (grrr hate ride 7, worst IDE ever)
[22:50] <Ahmed\> HUH i thought its fine :$
[22:51] <Ahmed\> Where do you live James :)
[22:51] <James147> sometimes something seems to upset it and grinds my system to a halt :S not sure why, both ram and cpu dont seem to be filling up, seems more like disk activity :S
[22:51] <yvan300> am every time i try to install kubuntu from the beta, the installer crashes, is there a workaround?
[22:52] <James147> but anyway this is for #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[22:52] <Ahmed\> Yes i agree with that its true but it was with that Beta ... also with the final edition HUH i used it like until now all those months since the releasing day
[22:52] <Ahmed\> hhhhhhhh
[22:52] <zus> KDE4.4.2  crashes on me a bit too often for me.. now i've notice...when dolphin windows two windows it goes nuts wobly windows just shakes
[22:52] <James147> yvan300: try the daily builds
[22:52] <James147> !daily | yvan300
[22:53] <James147> ^^ that might be for ubuntu...
[22:53] <yvan300> ubottu,  James147 thanks
[22:53] <James147> !ubottu
[22:53] <Ahmed\> umm James i have heard the Lucid to be release on 29th ?
[22:53] <zus> James147,  i do not run anything windows anymore...though i have virtual box installed it isnt "workking yet"
[22:53] <James147> !lucid
[22:54] <James147> zus: i only do games in windows, and this stupid ride 7 i need for the device
[22:54] <Ahmed\>  26
[22:54] <Ahmed\>
[22:54] <Ahmed\> April 29th
[22:54] <Ahmed\> umm thank you :)
[22:54] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:54] <James147> zus: although i have taken to actuall coding it in kate, and just getting ride7 to flash it
[22:54] <zus> Ahmed\,  lucid might be around the 29th maybe later or sooner. ubuntu might be 29th but kubuntu i think will be a day to a week behind
[22:55] <zus> James147,  i actually gave up games...if i game it's WoW and id run a dedicated windows machine
[22:56] <Ahmed\> Yeah i see... I am thinking to install Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, Never used it before but i guess i know it well now cause gonna stick to GNome, so will it come with a newer version of Gnome and if between the one year after a installation how can i upgrade things as Gnome ? or is it built in for every new release ?
[22:56] <James147> zus: i dont tend to play much anymore either, just sometimes :S
[22:56] <zus> i really wanted to try Runes of magic but wine did my head in
[22:57] <James147> Ahmed\: see #ubuntu for gnome related questions or #ubuntu+1 for lucid
[22:57] <zus> James147,  i am supposed to work with flash and swf files for elearning and tutorials for training aviation security...
[22:57] <Ahmed\> Thanks
[22:58] <James147> zus: grr hate flash :P
[22:59] <chuckf> unless something weird happens kubuntu will be out the same day as ubuntu
[22:59] <zus> James147,  im indifferent but it was going to be a "job"  a friend of mine was setting me up with... dumpped cs3 and a few files on my lap and never heard from him again
[22:59] <Ahmed\> James, can i create an email @ubuntu.com ? if so is it free ?
[23:00] <James147> Ahmed\: i have no idea
[23:00] <zus> with in them files were pdf's on linux/unix and security fortifing firewalls and stuff... a bunch of redhat and opensuse
[23:00] <Ahmed\> Okay :)
[23:00] <chuckf> Ahmed\: you need to become an official ubuntu member to get an @ubuntu.com email address
[23:00] <zus> Ahmed\,  i think them are for the official ubuntu member
[23:01] <Ahmed\> Yeah welll thougt so :)
[23:02] <Ahmed\> BRB
[23:03] <zus> all right im not so happy with the way amarok imported my files but theyre there...
[23:03] <James147> zus: means you probally havent taged them probally :s
[23:04] <zus> James147,  yeah. my file management isnt up to parr...
[23:04]  * zus looks guilty and away
[23:04] <zus> i made a folder call audio and throw anything that aint video in there  haha
[23:04] <James147> zus:  :D
[23:05] <James147> zus: you should see mine, i spent way to long orginising things in it :S
[23:05] <zus> is this the right place for songbird ppa?  i thought its more stable than daily builds monitored by bots
[23:05] <zus> https://launchpad.net/~songbird-daily/+archive/ppa
[23:06] <zus> James147,  my important files are great but the fun stuff keeps pileing in. ktorrent just finished a file even
[23:07] <yvan300> James147, what is the link to the daily kubuntu builds?
[23:08] <James147> zus: thats probally the unstable builds, but cant see any other
[23:08] <WOFall> can somebody explain to me the ordering logic behing the taskbar items? It certainly doesn't seem to be alphabetical ^^
[23:09] <James147> yvan300: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[23:09] <yvan300> thanks
[23:09] <James147> yvan300: sorry, i get distracted easly :D
[23:10] <WOFall> at the moment i have "Lan..." "IMG..." "htt..." "XCh...", and alphabetical would be htt, img, lan, xch.
[23:10] <zus> WOFall,  isnt it by what you offten use?
[23:10] <James147> WOFall: manual or alpha - you can change it (right lcick -> Task manager settings (might need to open the panel settings to right click it))
[23:11] <James147> WOFall: think manual orders them as they appear, and you can drag them around
[23:11] <James147> WOFall: there is also "by desktop" and none :S
[23:12] <WOFall> thanks. It's actually set to alphabetical at the moment, i just don't know what alphabet it's using :p
[23:13] <James147> WOFall: :S not sure then
[23:16] <zus> WOFall,  i've noticed in the menu the programs are listed in bold by what theyre are and in grey what the name is, maybe it uses that?. like cd and dvd burning is in bold but in grey its k3b
[23:18] <James147> zus: that can be reversed by right click -> Application and launcher settings -> Show application by name
[23:20] <zus> James147,  man alive i learn something new every paragraph! maybe ill find things easier
[23:20] <WOFall> actually zus that might be what it's doing, Dolphin; Gwenview; Opera; XChat would be alphabetical ;)
[23:20] <James147> zus: heh, I tend to just use the search now, alt+F2 is faster (or it should be) then manually looking :D
[23:21] <James147> WOFall: hmm, though it would ahve gone of window anme, not application name... but o well
[23:21] <zus> james i tried alt f2 and did chrome  but its chomium web browser  haha so i went back to the llauncher...is alt f2 krunner? thats the kubuntu verison of  gnome do correct?
[23:22] <James147> zus: alt+f2 is krunner, not exatly sure what gnome do is...
[23:23] <James147> zus: all i know is its better then the version of gnome i used :S
[23:23] <zus> http://do.davebsd.com/
[23:24] <zus> i loved it if you ever go to gnome  ya cant live with out it...krunner is a bit different but i think its the same idea...
[23:25] <mkfnx> Hi, can somebody help me to fix errors 9,10 and 11 of the Akonadi server auto test?
[23:25] <WOFall> pity neither are as good as executor for windows *sigh* Who said that? >:-|
[23:25] <zus> i think  the family is leaving now to see clash of the titans in 3-d..... bbl!!
[23:25] <mkfnx> these errors are:
[23:25] <mkfnx> Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus.
[23:25] <mkfnx> Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus.
[23:25] <mkfnx> Nepomuk search service not registered at D-Bus.
[23:25] <FloodBotK1> mkfnx: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:26] <zus> i get 2 errors  in akonadi server... but  ill resolve them later... bye all
[23:29] <James147> mkfnx: i tend to find restrting akonadi works... but ti dosent try seeing if neomuk is running
[23:29] <James147> if it ^^
[23:32] <mkfnx> Akonadi control and Akonadi server have the stopped status, and Akonadi server search is not available :(
[23:33] <mkfnx> And i have a procees called nepomukserver in the system process list
[23:36] <James147> mkfnx: what version of kubuntu/kde are you using
[23:36] <James147> ?
[23:37] <mkfnx> James147: Oh right! sorry for not say it: Kubuntu 9.10 and KDE 4.4.2
[23:41] <James147> mkfnx: not sure sorry, its been a bit flaky in karmic :S think its working better in lucid
[23:42] <mkfnx> James147: Ok, thanks anyway, I'll kept searching.
[23:58] <James147> anyone know a good tutorial for leTex? before I google a random one :p


[19:13] <miu5> Hi guys, i need to install xfapplet but i see that its too old, https://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xfapplet-plugin.  Is there one that replaces this at all?
[21:00] <xu-help63w> Hello... not sure how this works. I installed xubuntu today
[21:01] <xu-help63w> I'm familiar with "community" discussion boards but this appears to be something different
[21:02] <diogenes_> xu-help63w, congrats!
[21:02] <diogenes_> and
[21:02] <diogenes_> !welcome
[21:06] <xu-help63w> I'm running xubuntu on a raspberry pi 4 4GB. My bluetooth keyboard does not autoconnect after a reboot. I have to manually connect it each time. This was not the case when I was on raspbian. The keyboard is a Logitech K380.
[21:09] <diogenes_> xu-help63w, maybe you need to set it as trusted?
[21:13] <xu-help63w> I thought the same thing... I had already set it to "trusted"
[23:05] <xu-irc45w> Glad I found this channel. Since installing Xubuntu 18.04 on my PC, I have had a number of issues I seem completely unable to resolve on my own.
[23:06] <xu-irc45w> The first is that the audio/headphone jacks on my PC simply don't work. I got them working last night (somehow, I can't seem to find how I did it), so I verified everything is plugged in correctly. I have tried purging and reinstalling pulseaudio and ALSA, which has done nothing.
[23:08] <xu-irc45w> alsamixer does not save my settings regardless of whether i enter "alsactl store" with sudo su privileges in a seperate terminal window.
[23:09] <xu-irc45w> Additionally, I'm having this message appear when using "sudo apt upgrade"
[23:09] <xu-irc45w> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8125a-3.fw for module r8169W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168fp-3.fw for module r8169eleanor
[23:10] <xu-irc45w> I appreciate anyone who can help me out. Pulling my hair out.
[23:23] <justaskedquestio> hello. I was just in here asking questions about audio and other features of xubuntu not working. I had to reboot my PC as I discovered that cpu-intensive applications (a specific game) is running at 20fps as opposed to the 60fps it was running at last night. I verified in the BIOS that the CPU is installed and detected by the system, and that it
[23:23] <justaskedquestio> is running at a safe operating temperature.


[12:33] <darkmatter> vish: http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6519/screenshotpy.png <-- gonna retheme that to be uby-ish, including wiki and launchpad searches :D
[17:44] <darkmatter> vish: thorwil: I have begun the epic job of creating userChome.css for moz apps to natively theme all major (common) extensions (teh icons). I should be finished when I reach the ripe old age of 60
[17:45] <vish> darkmatter: that retheme looks sweeeeet!
[17:46] <darkmatter> looks better with a minimal firefox http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6527/screenshotpr.png <-- userchrome "app" button anyone? ;D
[17:47] <vish> gah! whats that in the right corner!
[17:47] <vish> the orange blob ;p
[17:48] <darkmatter> vish. it's a wip mod of a opensource googly page gonna add an "ubuntu" banner (it has various engines on mouseover) with "wiki" and "launchpad" as search options
[17:48] <darkmatter> vish: from stock css experiment. its the firefox icon from the theme :P
[17:48] <darkmatter> (compact menu)
[17:49] <darkmatter> I'll change it to a standard tools thing later. it's just for fun  ;)
[17:49] <vish> hehe , was wondering what the eye of Sauron was doing there! :D
[17:51] <darkmatter> gonna make the google/wikipedia/youtube/twitter/ubuntu/<whatever> multiseach page fit with radiance/ambiance as well. then suggest it replace the standard search ;o
[17:52] <darkmatter> vish. using stock for everything is sooo easy. I wonder why noone just packs up a custom css as a part of every distros branding?
[17:52] <vish> darkmatter: replace the default Ubuntu one?  i dont think that would happen.. with the new rebranding and dots emphasis
[17:52] <darkmatter> vish: no. I mean have the multiseach startpage be rebranded to match :P
[17:53] <vish> ah..
[17:53] <darkmatter> instead of just a "google" page. the banner changes the ingine. mouseover displays the available searches. tis neat
[17:53] <darkmatter> engine*
[17:54] <darkmatter> more useful than plane old google
[17:54] <darkmatter> plain*
[17:54] <darkmatter> bah. sleepy head typo time
[17:55] <darkmatter> so you get direct access to whichever search you link to in the code. just gotta add in the options/banners and tweak the scripts
[18:07] <darkmatter> vish. add the ubuntu links under the search field, redo the box in dark on lightish grey with a slight gradient banners for the search engines, maybe with the ubuntu banner above all, engine logo under it on the right. so the branding is always present. haven't gotten the specifics nailed. but as long as it fits with the feel add in cheesy orange glow around the search entry turn the "i" into a "?" (orange and branded, or maybe just p
[18:08] <darkmatter> oh. and dots. cant forget dots. I'll probably just rip a bg image(s) from the official site for everything :P
[18:08] <vish> hmm, interesting .. instead of the searchbar we do it inline..
[18:11] <darkmatter> vish: on mouseover (animates in/out)http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8884/screenshotyyb.png <-- add ubuntu in there as part of the search banners :D, engine banners below the ubuntu brand or something similar
[18:12] <darkmatter> tell me the general concept isn't more suited to "social from the start". go on. I dare you
[18:13] <darkmatter> use the new potato stamp for the favicon. etc etc
[18:13] <vish> darkmatter: is that a working css?
[18:13] <darkmatter> vish: yup
[18:14] <vish> darkmatter: nice work!! :)
[18:14] <darkmatter> vish: bah. it's just a mod of a mod of an opensource thing
[18:14] <vish> darkmatter: heh, modesty doesnt suit you ;p
[18:14] <darkmatter> vish: original is http://go.infinise.com/source/InfiniseGo-v2.5.zip
[18:15] <darkmatter> can call the uby one UbuntuGO! :P
[18:16] <darkmatter> make the help popup match notify-osd xD
[18:16] <vish> darkmatter: did you see the tooltip work Andy was doing?
[18:17] <darkmatter> vish: nope. not yet
[18:17] <darkmatter> oh. you meant the round corners. lol
[18:17] <darkmatter> nm. yeah
[18:17] <vish> heh, yeah, the notify-osd tooltips ;p
[18:18]  * darkmatter compiled notify osd on suse. it's actually kinda ok for a growl clone :P
[18:21] <darkmatter> vish: I should make the selections/animations fancier so it kinda fits with the bannering on the unity slideshow (in maverick). dark bar at the top. first letter of the engine done "sticker style like the logo
[18:22] <darkmatter> on the other side an smalish. like the uby banner
[18:22] <darkmatter> actually*
[18:23] <vish> darkmatter: odd, i cant go back to main page when i use that^ infinise-GO
[18:23] <darkmatter> I'll have to do some mockups
[18:23] <doctormo> darkmatter: Does it remember?
[18:24] <vish> oh wait, false alarm!
[18:24] <darkmatter> doctor mo. haven't tried yet. just playing with the css at the moment
[18:24] <darkmatter> if not I'll just hack it too remember
[18:26] <darkmatter> vish: instead of zooming out I should fade in/out have a dark banner at the top that displays the engine list instead on fadeout to select then zooms in/down slightly... hmm
[18:28] <vish> we can probably just leave them in the same position, and fade out those not active..
[18:28] <vish> the animation is cool, but a bit too fast
[18:29] <vish> fade out+desaturate
[18:31] <vish> darkmatter: did we both say the same thing? :D
[18:31] <darkmatter> vish: my reasoning is thus (still animated, but with a slight shift), if we add uby specific search, etc (just uby and one or two more common) the targewts may get a bit smallish without a grid. only open-api sctuff though :P
[18:32] <vish> ah, no.. nvm you like animation ;)
[18:32] <darkmatter> uby options should be wiki, launchpad, forums (packages maybe?)
[18:33] <darkmatter> vish: nah. doesn't have to be animated
[18:34] <vish> darkmatter: why i thought a static position would be better is..  when i need to change the engine.. i have to first go to the center and then to whichever option i wanna change... but if they were static options, i can just go directly
[18:34] <vish> thats what i found frustrating while trying to use it..
[18:34] <darkmatter> yeah
[18:36] <darkmatter> but how to avid double uby branding? (since one of the engines (well. kinda combine opensearch shtuff) will be ubuntu specific UBUNTU <new line> ubuntu would look kinda odd. well. I guess we could just saturate/desaturate the big boy as well
[18:37] <darkmatter> avoid*
[18:39] <darkmatter> I'm considering auto detecting IP and having the weather displayed as well (monochrome) :P
[18:40] <vish> darkmatter: now, are we reinventing iGoogle ;p
[18:41] <darkmatter> vish: you have smartas tags, use em :P
[18:42] <darkmatter> was only kidding. that part of the screen will be used for general links (like support or and whatnot)
[18:43] <vish> ah.. tuck them away below with just icons.. ?
[18:45] <darkmatter> maybe do the links in an orange bar (like the top banner of the official uby site) with inverse colors for the various icons. either just icons or an entire row of goodness that links to the relative opart of the actual uby site, for quick access
[18:46] <darkmatter> then darl banner at the top. some pretty dotting with the ubuntu logo inb it, and then the other engines (google etc) under it in a row (blackish), all on lightish uby grey. make nice use of the palett
[18:46] <darkmatter> dark*
[18:47] <vish> well, wouldnt using the orange for those support options.. in something we intend to replace as a home page for *ever* , be too much of a distraction?
[18:47] <darkmatter> hmmm... yeah. perhaps
[18:48] <darkmatter> maybe like the version tour/download bar?
[18:49] <darkmatter> orange text on grey, black go arrows
[18:50] <darkmatter> bit differ the shade of the bg image/gradient so the 'services bar" stands out just enough
[18:50] <vish> yeah, might work..  or even better would be to just use the way support is presented
[18:50] <vish> already on the main page
[18:50] <darkmatter> yeah. that'll work too
[18:58] <darkmatter> gotta tweak the sizing of the page as well to murder the scrollbar
[19:00] <darkmatter> should create a firefox extension as part of the uby-package so it has an ever present home "tab" (just an icon) with some uby styled "search" favicon
[19:02] <darkmatter> anyway. bbl. nap time. will discuss more so I can start implementing changes
[23:10] <domjohnson> Hi
[23:11] <domjohnson> Am I too late to submit?
[23:11] <knome> submit what?
[23:11] <domjohnson> A desktop background?
[23:11] <domjohnson> Wallpaper*
[23:11] <knome> domjohnson, for maverick, probably.
[23:11] <domjohnson> ok
[23:11] <domjohnson> Thanks :)
[23:12] <knome> no problem