[01:23] <ubuntu__> k/ubuntu doesn't support ricoh cameras?
[01:28] <Riddell> best ask gphoto
[05:33] <nixternal> Jucato: I see you had to bring up the name unification :)
[05:33] <Jucato> heheh...
[05:33] <Jucato> that was sitting in my drafts for weeks actually...
[05:33] <Hobbsee> pre-emptive rescuing!
[05:33] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[05:34] <Jucato> could also be pre-emptive drowning :P
[05:34] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:34] <Jucato> nixternal: sorry... but I really feel that the "Ubuntu with KDE" thing is a bit unfair/unfortunate for us...
[05:35] <nixternal> oh, ya so do I...plus it doesn't answer the marketing issues that people who couldn't market themselves out of a wet paper bag have proposed
[05:35] <nixternal> I responded to it with a true marketing standpoint, and nobody that was on the "unification" side even attempted to comment
[05:35] <genii> Is anyone else getting weird   _:menu item kmenu: Program name here              type entries on the menu off of Kubuntu Tribe5 CD install? Gnome Gutsy then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't produce this strangeness
[05:35] <nixternal> genii: it has been reported
[05:35] <Hobbsee> there's a bug reported of it
[05:36] <Jucato> genii: see. :P
[05:36] <genii> OK, cool
[05:36] <nixternal> I haven't seen it, but then again, it is starts with G it ain't for me :)
[05:36] <Jucato> lol
[05:36] <nixternal> s/it is/if it
[05:36] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I think it only occurse when you install the kubuntu-desktop from within Ubuntu
[05:36] <nixternal> I haven't seen it on a typical Kubuntu install
[05:36] <genii> Anything installed afterwards appears normally in the menus. just the initial entries are messed up
[05:37] <Jucato> hahah don't be deceived by initial letters nixternal :P
[05:37] <Jucato> genii is one of our regular dependable helpers in #kubuntu :P
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah right.
[05:37] <nixternal> give me a g that is good, application wise :)
[05:37] <Jucato> gpg? :)
[05:37] <nixternal> ahh, I just got your whole "g" reference there
[05:37] <nixternal> OK, gpg is good, you got me there
[05:37] <Jucato> hehe
[05:37] <nixternal> bet you can't do another one
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: gnupg.
[05:38] <nixternal> well, that is what Jucato meant I think
[05:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: does sobby count?  i dont thinjk so
[05:38] <Jucato> hehehe
[05:38] <nixternal> ooh, gobby is another good one
[05:38] <Jucato> don't be fooled by K's either...Kino and k3d are not kde apps hahaha
[05:38] <nixternal> we need a kobby :)
[05:38] <nixternal> call it KornKobby
[05:38] <Jucato> (can't remember how many people were fooled by that)
[05:38] <nixternal> haha
[05:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: gcc tends to be useful, too...
[05:38] <nixternal> damn
[05:38] <Hobbsee> nixternal: germinate!
[05:38] <nixternal> forgot about gcc
[05:39] <Jucato> lol
[05:39] <genii> Also a small but annoying thing... the kubuntu splash page seems stuck off centre at some resolution i had previous and modifying theme.rc for instance fails to do much
[05:39] <Hobbsee> gettext, for you doc lovers
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: grep!
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: grub!
[05:39] <Jucato> hahah
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: our power manager.
[05:40] <Jucato> I think nixternal got the point now :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: but no, nothing that starts with g at all is any good.  nope, nope.
[05:40] <Jucato> long pointy stick of doom hehehe
[05:40] <nixternal> OK, I get it damnit, you guys just owned the hell out of me ;p
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :D :D :D
[05:40] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:40] <Jucato> lol
[05:40] <nixternal> nothing good about that stick
[05:40] <Hobbsee> sure there is!
[05:40] <genii> ouch, the much feared Stick Of Doom
[05:41] <Jucato> genii: which splash screen btw? usplash or ksplash?
[05:41] <genii> ksplash
[05:42] <Jucato> hm..
[05:42] <genii> Stuck at 11280x1024 when i switched now to 1024x768
[05:42] <genii> 1280 rather
[05:43] <Jucato> anyway, gotta prepare lunch. :)
[05:43] <Jucato> er.. rather gotta prepare to *eat* lunch
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: !! :)
[05:45] <genii> I already tinkered with the kuntu theme.rc file and specified the correct resolution there but it seems stuck on the other resolution for some weird reason
[05:45] <DaSkreech> gwenview
[05:45] <genii> kdm is fine
[05:45] <genii> *kubuntu
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech!
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee!!!
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Mucho Love :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> yay, i'm not dropping off
[05:47] <DaSkreech> So my router apparently hates my house
[05:47] <Jucato> genii: have you tried other splash screens?
[05:48] <genii> Jucato: Every other one finds the correct resolution and ceners the "Starting KDE" pic
[05:48] <genii> *centers
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Oh what causes the hard freezes with Flash?
[05:49] <genii> Oh, except the one which is the kubuntu backend
[05:49] <genii> bluemoon or somesuch
[05:49] <genii> afk, looking up exact name
[05:49] <Jucato> kubuntu backend?
[05:50] <genii> Moodin
[05:51] <genii> Jucato: The kubuntu ksplash theme uses Moodin as it's backend. That is the other one misbehaving per resolutions etc. Altho I also tried to force it's theme.rc file to my current settings
[05:51] <genii> no dice tho
[05:52] <Jucato> genii: so any other moodin-based splash theme also shows the bug?
[05:52] <genii> Jucato: Not sure
[05:52] <Jucato> genii: anyway, perhaps you could ping kwwii later. he's our chef artist
[05:52] <Jucato> er.. chief
[05:52] <genii> Jucato: Since i dunno which others may use it.I have the stock ones which are standard, have not installed any new
[05:52] <Jucato> fingerprint uses it
[05:53] <genii> I'll check it shortly. Am on my Feisty partition currently
[05:53] <Jucato> fingerprint and possibly moodinkde :)
[05:54] <genii> I'll reboot and chack. Be back shortly
[05:54] <genii> *check
[05:58] <genii> OK on gutsy now
[06:00] <genii> Fingerprint theme also messed up offcentrer
[06:00] <genii> Something in Moodin engine
[06:01] <nixternal> ahhhhhh, I think I know what you are talking about...and yes I have only ever experienced it with Moodin
[06:02] <genii> It doesn't pick up what current desktop resolution is or something
[06:04] <genii> AFK researching
[06:06] <nixternal> that happens on my desktop as a matter of fact
[06:06] <genii> Damn it looks like this issue has been around since 6.06
[06:07] <nixternal> I even changed the "virtual" to 1440x800 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it still didn't work correctly
[06:07] <genii> per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksplash-engine-moodin/+bug/41407
[06:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:07] <genii> Hmm
[06:07] <genii> ubotu is getting too smart or something :)
[06:09] <genii> I wonder if it's possible to specify an alternate backend for kubuntu ksplash theme than moodin
[06:09] <genii> tinkering, afk
[06:09] <nixternal> there are a couple of them
[06:13] <genii> I'm switching to Redmond engine. Gonna logoff/on. BRB
[06:14] <genii> Well that didn't work as expected LOL
[06:15] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <genii> Trying Default engine. BRB
[06:18] <genii> Hmm
[06:18] <genii> Default= not good either
[06:19] <genii> I'm tempted to delve into the Moodin source to see wht the hell it's doing
[06:19] <genii> but not today :)
[06:20] <genii> Hmm. An idea occurs. BRB
[06:30] <genii> That was wild. Konversation had absolutely blank server list when I logged back in
[06:32] <genii> I did sudo apt-get --purge remove ksplash-engine-moodin ;sudo apt-get install ksplash-engine-moodin      interestingly  package kwin-style-crystal seems to be involved in this process.
[06:34] <genii> Heh :) ksplash now centered
[06:40] <nixternal> yo, we have a serious Kontact bug
[06:40] <genii> Now if i can only figure out how this _:menu item kmenu: Appname thing
[06:41] <genii> nixternal: Pray tell
[06:42] <nixternal> all my mail is going to the garbage bin with "no subject" all the way across
[06:42] <genii> whoa thats nasty
[06:43] <nixternal> and it seems to be locking my accounts, when I go to check mail it gives me an I/O lock error with my password being in use
[06:45] <genii> version 1.2.4 ?
[06:46] <nixternal> whatever the latest gutsy release is
[06:47] <genii> If on KDE 3.5.6 then likely 1.2.4 Kontact
[06:47] <stdin> gutsy has KDE 3.5.7
[06:49] <genii> Hmm yes, Kontact on mine say 1.2.5
[06:52] <genii> Just set up my POP there, seeing if anything is gonna get dumped etc
[06:53] <genii> nixternal: All my 2000+ mails arrived safely in the inbox
[06:55] <genii> Are you using some spam filter?
[06:56] <genii> !ping
[06:56] <ubotu> host not found
[06:56] <genii> OK I'm not ghosting
[06:57] <nixternal> could someone please review bug 135445 and bug 135446 ASAP. this is grave at least for me
[06:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135445 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135445
[06:57] <genii> Wow, crap from 1997
[06:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135446 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135446
[06:58] <nixternal> using the default spam filters with Kontact
[07:00] <genii> Bleh it seems to have started part 2 od d/l emails
[07:02] <genii> OK, all 5348 emails have now been downloaded. Nothing seems to have gone directly to garbage
[07:03] <nixternal> this is with the latest kdepim updates to gutsy correct?
[07:03] <genii> nixternal: I have no pending updates
[07:04] <nixternal> it happens on both of my machines here
[07:04] <Jucato> must be fun to be running on gutsy hehehe
[07:04] <nixternal> I can't afford this, I just lost 200 emails
[07:04] <nixternal> hope they weren't important
[07:04] <genii> I'm using POP, are you on imap?
[07:04] <nixternal> I am using POP as well
[07:05] <Jucato> ny very emphatic thank you letter to nixternal might have been one of those :)
[07:05] <nixternal> it only happens when you have "automatic email checking" turned on, or you manually check your email after Kontact/KMail has been open
[07:06] <genii> I set up no spam filters, just set my POP account and checked mail.
[07:06] <genii> Hmm let me try checking it now
[07:07] <genii> "[01:05:51]  Transmission for account POP complete. No new messages"
[07:09] <nixternal> I just tested the spam filters, and that isn't the problem..I can mark an email as spam and it doesn't effect it
[07:09] <nixternal> there, it just did it again on a manual download
[07:10] <genii> What I find strangest is it rewrites the subject line
[07:10] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35496/
[07:11] <nixternal> it looks as if when doing a manual download of email, KMail is stripping the email of everything
[07:12] <genii> Yes, headers appear to be stripped
[07:13] <nixternal> everything is stripped
[07:13] <genii> That is just too freaking weird
[07:13] <nixternal> Jucato: what turn?
[07:13] <Jucato> hm... stripped...
[07:14] <Jucato> nixternal: just an unrelated question. so it can wait
[07:14] <nixternal> well go for it..who knows how much longer I will be awake here
[07:14] <genii> I wonder what it uses as backend
[07:14] <Jucato> hhehehe
[07:14] <Jucato> I was just wondering if you've heard of Project Mallard, and if there are any.. um.. movements in the kde-docs side of things
[07:15] <nixternal> ahh, Project Mallard, Gnomes largest vapor ware project :)
[07:15] <Jucato> hahah so it's not that.. um... good? :)
[07:15] <genii> Well, I just realized i need to be awake in just less than 6 hours for work
[07:15] <Jucato> it sounded quite nice, though
[07:15] <nixternal> no movements on KDE's side just yet, we have discussed it, but we are waiting for Project Mallard to get up and running before we decide
[07:16] <genii> Jucato , nixternal et al ... good night
[07:16] <nixternal> Project Mallard is between 2 and 3 years in the making, with nothing but comments from various people
[07:16] <Jucato> g'night genii!
[07:16] <nixternal> g'nite genii
[07:16] <Jucato> ah I see...
[07:16] <nixternal> Jucato: Gnome is creating a whole nother language just to do this, which is rather crazy
[07:16] <Jucato> heh
[07:17] <Jucato> shaunm's mystical new language - much easier than docbook <--- like that?
[07:17] <nixternal> somehow it is apart of the whole Freedesktop.org deal as well, which is rather annoying
[07:17] <nixternal> docbook is about as easy as it gets
[07:17] <nixternal> their reason for ditching docbook for their own language is because docbook has to much
[07:17] <nixternal> I will believe Project Mallard when I see it
[07:18] <Jucato> couldn't they just use a subset of what docbook has?
[07:18] <Jucato> er.. that's coming from someone who hasn't used docbook eheheh
[07:18] <nixternal> yes, but there are some things they supposedly do not like
[07:19] <Jucato> I see... ok. I was just wondering. actually "anxious" is the proper term... another innovation from them that would subtly make it into fd.o and take us by surprise :P
[07:19] <nixternal> Jucato: if you want to get into helping out with the KDE 4 documentation, we could definitely use you...it is so easy to learn and pick up, a lot of the work is there, and even writing a new document is so easy as we have templates and the electronic breakfast network to tell us when we are doing something wrong
[07:20] <nixternal> I don't think I want to get started with the fd.o and gnome..I did at a recent LUG event due to smartasses and their KDE comments
[07:20] <Jucato> heh.. fd.o.. :)
[07:20] <nixternal> I am kind of tired of the whole "point and click" stuff about KDE...people who know me and know how I work, will tell you that I hardly ever use the mouse
[07:21] <Jucato> but I doubt I could dive in before 4.0 is released (October or January, whichever they decide). I still haven't really settled back in yet. But I do plan on learning to use docbook for myself, so I'll probably hit 2 birds w/ one stone
[07:21] <nixternal> Jucato: sure you could dive in, when you are ready of course
[07:21] <nixternal> there is PhilRod, jjesse, and myself to help you out..and once you see how everything works, which won't take long, you will be a docbook mastah!
[07:22] <Jucato> hahah!
[07:22] <Jucato> yeah philrod. and there's annma too.
[07:22] <Jucato> they helped me get my theming guide into the docs :)
[07:22] <nixternal> and that is the cruddy part...as it stands, there is really just PhilRod and myself working on the docs somewhat full-time...jjesse is just now getting up to speed..actually, he is up to speed, but is he going to be expanding
[07:22] <nixternal> ahh ya, forgot about annma, don't tell her that though...she will need a lot of help with the KOffice 2 docs
[07:23] <Jucato> actually all doc guys will need a lot of help.. I can't even imagine how you would start with everything in KDE 4.0 still a bit.. um... dunno..
[07:23] <nixternal> that is why I am trying to get the Kubuntu docs finished very quickly so I can spend time over at KDE for a bit
[07:23] <Jucato> uncertain?
[07:24] <nixternal> well, we are building a list of docs that are ready to start for applications that are at least 75% complete
[07:24] <nixternal> ie. Okular right now
[07:24] <nixternal> lol
[07:24] <Jucato> hehehe
[07:25] <Jucato> anyway, don't let me keep you away from your cozy bed any longer hehehe
[07:25] <nixternal> we are also looking at revamping KHelpCenter...Phil just received the usability report on it, so hopefully that will start
[07:25] <nixternal> there has been some of our code committed to KHC, but there is a lot to go
[07:25] <nixternal> KDE 4 is going to have a "What's this" for just about everything, and we have to incorporate all of that as well
[07:25] <nixternal> oh, I still have a few before I go up...gotta finish my tea first
[07:26] <Jucato> oooh tea!
[07:26] <Jucato> just ran out of brown rice tea :(
[07:26] <nixternal> ya, I have become a green tea junky
[07:26] <nixternal> speaking of the devil himself!
[07:26] <Jucato> heheh I've always been one :)
[07:26] <Jucato> hi jjesse!!
[07:26] <nixternal> jjesse: trying to recruit Jucato for some KDE 4 doco love
[07:26] <nixternal> I think I am close :)
[07:27] <Jucato> nixternal: you don't know how much I want to work on coding, packaging, and documentation... (not to mention usability stuff)
[07:27] <Jucato> but as I figured out in my absence, I can't do them all that well at the same time :(
[07:27] <nixternal> Jucato: just dive on in...that is what I did...I still want to get more into coding though
[07:28] <Jucato> lol I remember my last dive into packaging... I ended up rm'ing my /home :P
[07:28] <nixternal> haha
[07:28] <nixternal> if you start now, you can make MOTU by Gutsy+1
[07:28] <nixternal> it took me 4 cycles to make MOTU
[07:28] <Jucato> ouch :)
[07:29] <nixternal> well, I didn't really start doing MOTU stuff though until Feisty and picked it up as I went
[07:29] <Jucato> hm.. I'm taking it a bit slow for a reason. I'm trying to review the packaging guide to see some areas that it doesn't do well from the beginner's perspective
[07:29] <Jucato> w/c means I also have to read the Debian NM guide as well
[07:29] <nixternal> ya
[07:29] <nixternal> ya, the Debian NM, and the DD guide as well
[07:30] <nixternal> if you use CDBS for packaging, it is so much easier
[07:30] <Jucato> so I've heard. from hardest to easiest: manual, dpatch, cdbs. right?
[07:30] <nixternal> what I would do is just download stuff from kde-apps and package them
[07:30] <Jucato> yeah that's what I was thinking.
[07:31] <nixternal> another good thing is go through the debian svn repos to see how they do it as well
[07:31] <Jucato> I just found the packaging guide a bit too sparse (specially about CDBS) and lacking in practical examples... the only real example there is GNU Hello.. :/
[07:31] <Jucato> anyway, more on that later on... gotta catch up w/ my C++ and try to finish at least polymorphism and inheritance by Sept...
[07:32] <nixternal> ya, that is why you need the 2 debian guides to go with the ubuntu guide
[07:32] <nixternal> man, you could easily replace c++ in that statement with java...I am taking advanced c++ and advanced java right now in school and they are to similar that it is scary
[07:33] <Jucato> except that C++ is (thankfully?) not object-constrained...
[07:33] <Jucato> :)
[07:33] <Jucato> I'll finally get a taste of computer science education here next year! yay!
[07:34] <nixternal> sweet!
[07:34] <Jucato> yeah, but it's only a Diploma degree (2 years)... but it's online. makes it sweeter :)
[07:34] <DaSkreech> has KDe ever gotten anything into FDo?
[07:34] <nixternal> I am doing my CS degree similar to that..I have some online courses and quite a few classroom courses
[07:35] <Jucato> DaSkreech: lots...
[07:35] <Jucato> er.. into?
[07:35] <Jucato> nah not much I think
[07:35] <nixternal> DaSkreech: dunno...I quit looking at fd.o because it seems it was trying to stop kde from doing the things we do, that work great on top of that
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Everytime I hear something from FD it's pretty much Oh Gnome said...
[07:36] <Jucato> I feel a bit that way too... although aseigo and Sho_ assures me that it's not all that bad
[07:37] <nixternal> ditto Jucato
[07:37] <DaSkreech> so they are dropping docbook?
[07:39] <Jucato> maybe not... yet...
[07:40] <nixternal> OK, bed time...g'nite
[07:40] <Jucato> bye!!  and thanks again
[07:40] <nixternal> no problem
[07:44] <DaSkreech> night
[08:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: send the kmail bugs upstream, not to launchpad.
[08:50] <freeflying> kontact crashs bug was fixed now?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> not unless someone fixed it
[09:32] <Riddell> freeflying: should be
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the /etc/kderc and /etc/kde-user-profile, would you prefer to have them modified via a patch or a dpkg-divert in k-d-s
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: as the config I'm doing for profiles is done via groups added via k-d-s, I suspect that dpkg-divert is probably the better choice in that case...
[10:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: modified for what?
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: for groups as we discussed yesterday
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: adding system groups and then make a user use a specific profile just adding him to a group
[10:48] <Tonio_> you seemed to agree on that approach
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: easier for the guys to get the profile they want that way
[10:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that I can of course fix kderc via a patch, but as this only work with k-d-s installed, I thought installing the fixed files via dpkg-divert was easier (and that another patch we won't maintain in the future)
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it simple :
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/577 http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/578
[10:51] <Tonio_> added to this you create the corresponding system groups
[10:52] <Tonio_> and then it makes it easy to set a user to use an accessibility group
[10:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: those groups don't seem to override from the normal k-d-s
[10:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: you'll need to modify casper if you want to do this
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: works for me....
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: add yourself to the wanted group and then you use the wanted profile
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the problem with casper ? adding groups ?
[10:56] <Riddell> it would probably be easiest just to have these in the default kderc file
[10:56] <Riddell> casper would need to be changed from editing kderc to adding and editing groups
[10:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's makes it depends on k-d-s as the profile then don't exist right ?
[10:57] <Riddell> add a comment saying "#this won't work without k-d-s"
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry but I don't understand you concerning casper
[10:58] <Tonio_> is casper editing kderc ?
[10:58] <Riddell> yes
[10:58] <Tonio_> hum.....
[10:59] <Tonio_> so fixed kderc isn't done via a kdebase patch ? interesting
[11:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably too late in the dev cycle for such a change right..... but I have to keep that in mind for gutsy+1
[11:01] <Riddell> it couldn't be done with a kdebase patch, it depends on what the user chooses
[11:01] <Riddell> (your way round it can be, but then groups have to be edited)
[11:01] <Riddell> probably best for gutsy+1
[11:01] <Riddell> oh, and I believe the name for that is due to be announced this week
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, great :)
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay let's add this for gutsy+1
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a big bug with the latest kdepim you uploaded....
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: pasting something to a mail editing window causes kontact to crash
[11:06] <Tonio_> restarting kde to reproduce....
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed....
[11:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: please get a backtrace and report to till on #kontact
[11:10] <Riddell> kdepim-dbg should work for backtraces
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[11:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you upload the nspluginviewer "fix"?
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[11:21] <Riddell> so you did, thanks
[11:21] <Riddell> ug, kdebase build-dep on libgtk, evil
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's the problem.....
[11:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's temporary, waiting for something else....
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: evil, but better than konqueror crashing imho....
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to get a backtrace of kontact..... it just hangs and then closes....
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, I can paste on any field (TO, CC...), except from the standard text one
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, right-click and paste works.....
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: till is already aware of the issue, so we can expect a fix soon I suspect :)
[11:32] <Riddell> great
[11:49] <glatzor> Riddell: hello, could you please join #launchpad. there is aproblem with the automatically added translator credits in kde that could be solved quite easy for a KDE developer
[12:00] <freeflying> Riddell: kontact has strange behaviar now, it will bring up two threads, but it will not display its GUI
[12:05] <Riddell> freeflying: best to tell till in #kontact
[12:08] <Kuhrscher> Hello everybody, with the last launchpad release the translators from Launchpad get included into the translator credits in the "About" dialog of each program.
[12:08] <Kuhrscher> This look quite ok in Ubuntu, but really horrible in Kubuntu/KDE.
[12:08] <Kuhrscher> What we need to make it look reasonable would be just a small patch to kdelibs:
[12:08] <Kuhrscher> We should add a translateable title above the original upstream translators (eg. "Upstream translators") followed by the normal list of translator names and their mail adresses.
[12:09] <Kuhrscher> And a new section for the Lauchpad translators below, with their names and http links to their launchpad accounts. This section should be separted from the upstream translators by a free line and get a translatable title like "Launchpad translators".
[12:09] <Kuhrscher> Unfortunatly I am just a translator and cannot do the necessary patch myself...
[12:10] <Kuhrscher> Could someone of you help with this issue?
[12:10] <Kuhrscher> Riddell offered to mentor it :)
[12:12] <Kuhrscher> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/133817
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133817 in rosetta "Make KDE translation credits nicer" [Medium,In progress]
[12:13] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: you can also try the mailing list (which should accept posting the ubuntu e-mail addresses)
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just playing a bit with strigi
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like opening a file doesn't work as expected..... jstream:/ doesn't work well
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem or should I investigate ?
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: just noticed there are even errors on the html output in konq...
[12:29] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Ok, I subscribed kubuntu-devel and posted it there again... We will see if it helps...
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: html errors at start I know about, jos has no idea why it would happen
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested with the latest debian package, same issue.....
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw are you interested in an update ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: and does jstream complain when you click on a found file to open it ?
[12:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: update to what?
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: 0.5.2
[12:42] <Tonio_> strigi applet
[12:42] <Riddell> what's changed?
[12:42] <Riddell> I really want to change strigi applet so it's a systray icon with popup text field
[12:42] <Riddell> then we can have it on by default
[12:42] <Tonio_> no changelog provided upstream
[12:43] <Riddell> hmm, I thought we were on 0.5.2
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope ....
[12:43] <Riddell> that's fine, it can just be synced?
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: closing kde bug 429490
[12:43] <Tonio_> debian bug 429490
[12:43] <ubotu> Debian bug 429490 in strigi-applet "strigi-applet is not usable by kicker due to a missing symbol" [Important,Fixed]  http://bugs.debian.org/429490
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, can be sync, that's okay
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: stupid question but how to request for a sync? I never did that ;)
[12:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: please file a request and subscribe ubuntu-release (then I ack and subscribe ubuntu-archive and seb should do it)
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a bug request.... let's do it
[12:45] <Riddell> yes
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: done, see bug 135521
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135521 in strigiapplet "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135521
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to figure out the html encoding issue....
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: it'll be fiddly, the first few characters of the ioslave output are turned to spaces
[12:50] <Riddell> a quick patch would be just to add say 10 spaces at the start before the <?xml
[12:50] <Riddell> but a proper fix probably needs to debug ioslave foo
[12:50] <Riddell> it's not consistent, it doesn't always happen
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: happens everytime for me at least....
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: very strange behavior, do you consider this a kdebase/libs issue or a strigi bug ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw jstream not working is bigguer issue
[12:51] <Riddell> probably strigi but hard to say
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't get preview for text files on the ioslave, and jstream cannot open anything....
[12:52] <Riddell> I don't think I've ever acually used jstream consciously
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it simple, compared to the screenshots on the official website, our strigi integration sucks..... nothing works as expected....
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: just search for a word and try to click on a result for viewing...... doesn't work
[12:52] <Tonio_> let's try to improve this a bit....
[12:53] <Riddell> jos says he's getting a new computer this weekend and will put gutsy on it
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: please add the 0.5.2 debian changelog to bug 135521
[12:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135521 in strigiapplet "Please sync with debian package 0.5.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135521
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the html output, that's interesting since I have a very specific case here..... browsing Web type results has the issue
[12:55] <Tonio_> "Other" type doesn't, so there might be a difference....
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: what if you search for this for example :
[12:56] <Tonio_> strigi:/?q=toto&t=Other
[12:56] <Tonio_> strigi:/?q=toto&t=Web
[12:56] <Tonio_> can you confirm what I see ?
[12:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: they look exactly the same to me
[12:59] <Tonio_> weird....
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: vandenoever is on irc if you want to ask in #strigi
[01:00] <Tonio_> yup
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: true, depends if I refresh or not.......... really weird......
[01:32] <mhb> it is kinda early to announce hardy, but hooray (if it is official)!
[02:04] <Jucato> hardy heron eh?
[02:05] <Tonio_> allee: lots of commits today on kdebluetooth, preparing a package
[02:06] <Tonio_> allee: new files added btw
[02:17] <mhb> Jucato: not eh, hooray!, you upstreamer :o)
[02:18] <Jucato> lol
[02:18] <allee> Tonio_: cool.  Hopefully kinputwizard is fixed then.   FWIW: BT mice added via hidd --search, are forgotten after reboot or a long idle times.
[02:18] <Jucato> nah... I'm just thinking of jokes that would revovle around a "hard(y) bird"...
[02:18] <allee> Tonio_: did you try kbt-wait and the autstart desktop file?
[02:19] <Tonio_> allee: not yet
[02:19] <Tonio_> allee: I have a segfault somewhere....
[02:19] <Tonio_> allee: what if you use the paired device tool and then click on one of the devices name ?
[02:20] <Tonio_> it should open as if clicking on the +
[02:20] <Tonio_> + works, but the name gives a segfault here
[02:23] <Tonio_> allee: I can't test the kbt-wait in fact, all my computers are bluetooth enabled
[02:24] <Tonio_> and no way to disable the chipset
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: well at least you can test that bkt-wait start kbluetooth ;)   So either trust me that start on plugin works, or try blacklist the bt device module. hehe
[02:27] <Tonio_> yep, that I can test
[02:29] <allee> Tonio_: ah, if you quit kblueooth and insert an external BT stick, kbt should be restarted too.   I rely on the fact that kbt is a uniq app, so if running one just gets a 'kblueooth already running message'
[02:30] <allee> ... instead of testing if kbt already run and only start if it does not
[02:30] <Riddell> Stecchino: I requested the vote
[02:30] <Stecchino> yes, I got the mail
[02:31] <Stecchino> how long do the members get to vote
[02:31] <Riddell> three weeks I think
[02:31] <Riddell> although we might have agreed to shorten it, I don't remember
[02:31] <Stecchino> I'll be on holiday when the results are in then :)
[02:32] <Riddell> I can send you a text if you give me your mobile number
[02:32] <Tonio_> allee: yeah but what if you unplug the device and insert it again ?
[02:32] <Tonio_> or better, plug another device ?
[02:32] <Stecchino> Riddell: I'll probably take my laptop with me anyway
[02:33] <Stecchino> have some hacking to do on Mobile Amarok
[02:33] <Stecchino> Still waiting for my greenphone :)
[02:33] <allee> Tonio_: I only listen to plug in events, making sure that kbluetooth  gets started if a device is plugged in.
[02:34] <Riddell> sounds exciting
[02:34] <allee> Tonio_: When 2nd bt device appears and 1st is removed, it's kblueooth task to use it as new default device
[02:34] <Tonio_> allee: yep
[02:35] <Tonio_> allee: btw shouldn't it be a kbluetooth task to be able to start waiting for a device to be plugued
[02:35] <Tonio_> ?
[02:35] <allee> Tonio_: afaiu such a setup in not supported.  but it's exotic enough to wait for KDE4
[02:35] <Tonio_> allee: that's my point in fact ;)
[02:35] <Tonio_> true that
[02:35] <Tonio_> okay so let's test this
[02:35] <Tonio_> allee: also, you pythong scripts requires universe material...... that's the problem I can see with it
[02:35] <Tonio_> but I'll test today, I promiss that :)
[02:36] <allee> Tonio_: hey, kblueooth could do it.  Especially as kbt does not exit when device is unplugged, just uses an even more dark 'b' icon.
[02:37] <Tonio_> allee: hehe
[02:38] <allee> Tonio_: Riddell mentioned that a MIR would be possible if needed.  FWIW, I doubt that kbt will support auto-start-and-wait-in-bg when no device is available.
[02:38] <allee> Tonio_: upstream (all SuSE devs afaik) have already a working autostart script + suseplug prog  that start kbt just like kbt-wait does
[02:39] <allee> at least for KDE3
[02:39] <Tonio_> allee: oki
[02:39] <Tonio_> allee: so the perfect thing would just be to patch kbluetooth to quit on unplug right ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> allee: I can't see your mail, can you send it again ? I suspect my bogofilter doesn't like you ;)
[02:41] <Tonio_> allee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:41] <allee> Tonio_:  kbt-wait has a dummy hook to catch device removal.   But I don't care kbt running when no device is available.
[02:41] <Tonio_> allee: no but if you plug anotehr device, quitting the application and restarting it would be nice
[02:41] <allee> Tonio_: most important is that kbt does not run when BT is/was never available\
[02:42] <Tonio_> allee: sure, but what would the problem in killing the app that way ?
[02:44] <Tonio_> allee: btw I realy can't find your mail..... resending would be nice :) ;)
[02:44] <allee> Tonio_: never tried,   Saving some memory versus requires startup time/disk io.  Pick your favorite ;)   At least in battery I prefer kbt to just run when I unplug BT
[02:45] <allee> Tonio_: sent.  I'll replace laposte in kaddressbook ...
[02:45] <Tonio_> allee: those adresses are the same mailbox in fact ;)
[02:46] <allee> Tonio_: Strange.
[02:46] <Tonio_> antispam, that's it
[02:48] <allee> I'll resent again to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if that's To: is more trustworthy to your spam software ;)
[02:48] <Tonio_> allee: I don't even know if that address works :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> should, we'll see :)
[02:49] <allee> test msg sent :)
[02:51] <allee> Tonio_: kbt-wait: http://paste.debian.net/35674   autostart: http://paste.debian.net/35676
[02:52] <Tonio_> allee: shame on you !!!!!!!!!
[02:57] <allee> Tonio_: fixed: http://paste.debian.net/35680
[03:01] <nixternal> we can't link to upstream bugs anymore with LP?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: we can
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's just confusing.  ask in #launchpad as to how
[03:01] <nixternal> k
[03:01] <nixternal> thanks
[03:02] <nixternal> jeesh, gotta love when they change a good thing and make it a pita
[03:04] <Tonio_> allee: super let's test
[03:08] <Tonio_> allee: afaics python-dbus is in main...... isn't that just what's needed ?
[03:10] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I added both of my reports upstream
[03:10] <allee> Tonio_: oh, yes python-dbus is main. Great!   ( Looks like I checked feisty last week instead of gutsy :(  )
[03:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: cool :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> allee: how would you stop bluetooth if the device number goes to 0 ?
[03:10] <nixternal> I was going to do it last night, but my pillow was calling my name :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> s/bluetooth/bluetooth ?
[03:11] <Tonio_> allee: once that done, I'll patch kbluetooth to forget about its autostart and we'll deal with the autostart with your script
[03:11] <Tonio_> allee: we should stop kbluetooth if a device is removed as there be several devices
[03:11] <Tonio_> but when there are 0 devices, it makes sense stoping this
[03:12] <Tonio_> especialy when you still can start it manually
[03:12] <allee> Tonio:  dcop kdebluetooth  MainApplication-Interface quit
[03:13] <Tonio_> allee: yeah but I mean within your script
[03:13] <allee> Tonio_: and what about kbluemon kinputwizard ... ?
[03:13] <Tonio_> allee: isn't there a way to just kill the process ?
[03:13] <Tonio_> allee: my mouse is in charge, I'll test in a moment
[03:14] <allee> distutils.spawn.spawn(['/usr/bin/dcop', kbtcmd, 'MainApplication-Interface' 'quit' ] )
[03:15] <allee> should work.   But IMHO it's not worth the trouble.
[03:15] <allee> Tonio_: I mean add distutils.... below def slotAdapterRemoved(device):
[03:17] <Tonio_> allee: you mean	distutils.spawn.spawn([kbtquitcmd] )
[03:17] <Tonio_> where kbtquitcmd = '/usr/bin/dcop kdebluetooth  MainApplication-Interface quit'
[03:17] <Tonio_> ????
[03:18] <allee> Tonio_: I can add it.  I just have a user here.  brb
[03:18] <Tonio_> thought using sys.exec would be better, no ?
[03:22] <Tonio_> allee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/583
[03:22] <Tonio_> should be right no ?
[03:47] <Tonio_> allee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/586
[03:47] <Tonio_> allee: should be nice this time
[03:47] <Tonio_> allee: dunno if it's better checking if kbluetooth is running.....
[03:48] <kwwii> can someone check and see that we have included the new color scheme for the desktop?
[03:48] <kwwii> also, we need to put that new color scheme in kdm as well
[03:55] <Riddell> kwwii: default is like this http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/clours.png
[03:56] <kwwii> Riddell: hrm, those are the new colors...I thought otherwise because someone came in with screenshots complaining that they still had the old colors
[03:57] <allee> Tonio_: os.execl gives: ERROR: Communication problem with kdebluetooth, it probably crashed.
[03:57] <Tm_P> hi kids
[03:58] <Riddell> kwwii: kdm looks the same to me, purpley selection colour
[03:58] <allee> Tonio_: kbt-wait is my first python script.  So I'm sure there a better way than distutils.  but that was the first I found that DWIW when I grep'ed python-support tree :)
[03:58] <kwwii> Riddell: then we need to use the new colors from the desktop (the ones in your screenshot) in kdm as well
[03:59] <Tonio_> allee: yeah doesn't work, I'm fixing this
[03:59] <kwwii> ie. the selection color should not be purple anymore
[04:00] <allee> Tonio_: wait I'm working already on it
[04:00] <Tonio_> k
[04:01] <Riddell> kwwii: that looks like purple to me on that screenshot
[04:02] <kwwii> Riddell: funky, it doesn't look to purple here...
[04:03] <Riddell> kwwii: well I think kdm is the same colour whatever it is
[04:03] <kwwii> Riddell: I will look into this then and upload something ASAP
[04:04] <Riddell> although I've kindae forgotten where kdm sets its colours
[04:06] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, it does not appear to be in the kdm-theme
[04:22] <Tonio_> allee: this works : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/587
[04:25] <Tonio_> just tested here, both commands are working
[04:29] <allee> Tonio_: eh?  Interesting.  I'm experimenting with stop the other bluetooth proccess
[04:30] <Tonio_> allee: oki
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya
[04:39] <mhb> yum yum, new kde4 beta soonish
[04:41] <mhb> I am really looking forward to the packages
[04:50] <allee> Tonio_: one question: as python-dbus is same for python 2.4 and python 2.5.  I assume I better change #! to just python, right?
[04:51] <Tonio_> allee: I suspect so ;)
[04:51] <Tonio_> allee: just patches kbluetooth to remove it's autostart thing as the script does it now, and patched to remove the buggy hiding icon functionnality
[04:51] <Tonio_> allee: just added your scripts in it, so we can test
[04:53] <allee> Tonio_:  updated kbt-wait: http://paste.debian.net/35694   I don't kill kbluelock, better save than sorry.  Better save than sorry.
[04:54] <allee> Tonio_: what's strange is that I never saw the 'hidden' icon thing again
[04:54] <Tm_P> heyyyyyy
[04:55] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw: my modified autodesktop file contains important fixes too
[04:55] <Tonio_> allee: where is it ?
[04:55] <allee>  http://paste.debian.net/35676
[04:57] <allee> Tonio_: e.g., if this dcop uniq thing is not removed from autostart.desktop,  logout dialog is blocked until one kills kbt-wait .  Too some time to figures this out ;)
[04:58] <Tonio_> allee: oki
[04:58] <Tm_P> anyone knows way to get jar of (k)ubuntu cookies/candy ??
[04:58] <Tonio_> allee: I just renamed your script to kbluetoothd and changed the exec command in the desktop file
[04:58] <Tonio_> allee: makes sense no ?
[05:01] <allee> Tonio_: Uhmm, that the 0.99 name.  Think it's no good idea, confusing.    Maybe somethiing like  kblueplug(ger) as the other pkgs start also with kblue<whatever>
[05:02] <allee> or kblueminid :)
[05:03] <Tonio_> allee: right
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is very strange with the nspluginviewer patch is that it looks now more stable when browsing a website with a lot of flash in it
[05:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I regularly had konqueror crashes several websites, that I can't reproduce today.... :)
[05:12] <allee> Tonio_: one k-d-s bug(?): I switched to gusty last night.  The I've logged out in feisty/rsynced home dir.  Now login progress dialog in gutsty is still as it was in feisty.  Known problem?
[05:13] <Tonio_> allee: you mean small size instead of big right ?
[05:14] <allee> Tonio_: no bg  and colors are as in feisty.  For new users login prograss is as kdm login and default bg
[05:15] <allee> Tonio_: as soon as login progress is done I see the gusty bg
[05:15] <Tonio_> allee: hum, strange problem
[05:15] <Tonio_> allee: no kspash entry in your profile .
[05:15] <allee> kdm grfx -> gusty, login progress -> feisty,  desktop bg -> gusty
[05:15] <Tonio_> ?
[05:16] <allee> I'll grep for it
[05:16] <Tonio_> yep
[05:16] <Riddell> allee: yes, the ksplash-moodin theme is cached
[05:16] <Tonio_> should be something in your profile I suspect
[05:16] <allee> Tonio_: I sure (hah) that I never touched it ;)
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? when did that happen ? I didn't saw any change on that point ......
[05:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: oups, cashed <> crashed :) sorry
[05:18] <Riddell> allee: volunteers welcome for a patch to make it forget the cache when theme has changed
[05:20] <allee> Riddell: hmm,  I would prefer to volunteer to patch, whatever changes my external monitor to resolution of my laptop.  Most annoying to switch back everytime with krandrtray.  Any idea what program does it?
[05:22] <allee> kdm login greeting uses correct resolution for my external monitor.  Then as soon as login process starts: 1900x1200 changes to 1680x1050 :(
[05:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: well a nasty workarround could be to clear the cache on logout, that's pretty easy to do in startkde..... but that's not very clean, although working
[05:26] <allee> Tonio_: where are those cached files stored?
[05:26] <Tonio_> allee: .kde/share/apps/ksplash
[05:30] <allee> Tonio_: uhm, the cached files don't save from which files they are created.  (interesting: no chached files for the new size of my laptop display)
[05:33] <Tonio_> allee: I wonder when is the cache created, as I've nothing in my .kde
[05:34] <Tonio_> allee: looks like depends if there is or not a background for your resolution in fact
[05:34] <Tonio_> allee: there is for mine
[05:34] <Tonio_> so the cache is a good thing to avoid doing the resize every time
[05:35] <Tonio_> allee: I didn't figure out that before... :)
[05:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: got a plan, but pretty hard to fix moodin for this
[05:36] <allee> Tonio_: maybe this change-resulution-to-#$%! on login prevents me getting an updated cache :(    Have to logout/in to check it.
[05:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: .kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the point, at logout, via startkde, compare the md5sum of the file to the one putted in a file via the same script
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: if md5sum changes, delete the cache
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would work, but is a bash script.....
[05:38] <Riddell> or if the date is newer
[05:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't the md5sum enough ?
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that this will only work for future updates, not for the people switching from feisty to gutsy
[05:40] <Tonio_> hum got it, delete the cache if no tag-file exists initialy, that should work
[05:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to do this ?
[05:42] <Riddell> tag-file?
[05:42] <Riddell> just comparing dates is fine, no need to store an md5sum anywhere
[05:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: a file used to store the md5sum for example so that it is easy to compare
[05:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but we have to store the date somewhere right ?
[05:43] <Riddell> filesystems already store dates
[05:43] <Tonio_> otherwise, what to compare the date with ?
[05:43] <Riddell> the wallpaper
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't follow you, the cache will always be newer than the wallpaper, since create at login.....
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must missunderstand you :)
[05:45] <Riddell> ...unless the wallpaper has been updated
[05:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, that's obvious.....
[05:47] <allee> Tonio_: files in deb are installed with time stamp preserved.  Maintainer add new wallpager.   User login.  User updates pkg.  Now cache image is newer than image from deb
[05:48] <allee> to prevent it the postinst would have to touch every wallpaper
[05:49] <Tonio_> allee: :(
[05:50] <Tonio_> okay, but we can do that
[05:50] <allee> IMHO it would be better if  the info file would save date of the image used to create the cache bg image
[05:51] <allee> as it looks to me the date in the info file is the one of the bg image.  If no idea why that should be interesting.
[05:51] <allee> s/if/I've/
[06:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping?
[06:14] <ryanakca> Whenever you get a chance?
[06:15] <Riddell> hi ryanakca
[06:15] <ryanakca> Hi... mind telling me if anybody else needs accounts, and if not, I'll get to mailing out the login info?
[06:16] <fdoving> ryanakca: is that the groupware thing?
[06:16] <ryanakca> yes
[06:16] <fdoving> is that just for testing or something usefull?
[06:16] <ryanakca> usefull
[06:16] <ryanakca> or so I hope
[06:16] <fdoving> ok, then i'll take one too if that's ok :)
[06:17] <ryanakca> I've had interest in it from quite a few people, but if it actually gets used... dunno
[06:17] <ryanakca> fdoving: you're a kubuntu member, right?
[06:17] <fdoving> yes.
[06:17] <ryanakca> all kubuntu members have one :)
[06:17] <fdoving> ok.
[06:17] <fdoving> how do i access it then?
[06:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: can't think of anyone else
[06:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[06:18] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[06:18] <ryanakca> fdoving: https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/egroupware/
[06:19] <ryanakca> you'll login with your launchpad ID and a password... which I have to set and mail out... people can then log in and run passwd
[06:19] <fdoving> ok.
[06:49] <allee> ryanakca: run passwd?  You mean all kubuntu members have an shell account there?  (They just don't know the password :)
[07:06] <ryanakca> allee: *nods*
[07:07] <ryanakca> allee: it's the only way I can think of to have people change their password
[07:07] <ryanakca> allee: because the login to egroupware is the mail login password, which is the user's system password
[07:13] <allee> ryanakca: k.  I was just asthonished that egroupware can't/configured to handle users on it's own
[07:15] <ryanakca> allee: it can handle them on its own, but I find its easier to just have to create one account(system), rather than two (system & egroupware)... of course, I could've used virtual(8) for postfix, and managed it in (vmail-mysql-db & egroupware), but the people in #postfix strongly recommended not to, for 1 domain
[07:15] <allee> ah, okay.
[07:57] <DaSkreech> No hippos???
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Whyyyyyyyy??????
[07:58] <DaSkreech> so any ideas for Heron?
[08:22] <milian> can anyone confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/135627 ?
[08:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135627 in k3b "k3b fails to burn in gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[08:35] <Riddell> milian: works for me
[08:36] <milian> ok, I'll try to look more into it
[08:41] <Riddell> milian: which doesn't mean to say it isn't broken on other hardware of course
[08:44] <milian> well it worked like a charm since I use kubuntu which would be since the alpha days of dapper, riddell
[08:44] <milian> but I do have a new computer setup (with the old burner) so I am not sure
[08:52] <milian> oh hell no, it looks like the dvd roms are the fault
[08:53] <milian> I hope I can get my money back for them...
[09:02] <Riddell> arse, kdesudo breaks dist upgrade tool called from adept
[09:04] <nixternal> Riddell: does the "restart" notification work at all? it seems I am never notified about rebooting after certain updates
[09:05] <nixternal> I also bought my Lotto tickets today, so after I win 300+ million dollars, I will share it with you guys...how about a week long vacation to anywhere in the world :)
[09:05] <Riddell> nixternal: it should do
[09:06] <Riddell> which certain updates?
[09:06] <nixternal> well, I found out today that in Gutsy, when the battery goes empty, the computer shuts itself down, and when I am plugged back in, it comes back up just like the way I left it :)
[09:06] <nixternal> libc, libglad and such
[09:07] <nixternal> don't know if I had a Linux kernel upgrade since then, but I would think that any applications that runs initramfs would need a reboot afterwords
[09:07] <nixternal> afterwards rather
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think I've found something related to the input devices bug in kbluetooth, will get back to you on that.
[11:30] <nixternal> OK, this Enterprise KDEPIM is evil!
[11:46] <nixternal> I am starting to think there is no "proper" kdepim :)
[11:55] <Riddell> nixternal: what's your problem?
[11:55] <Riddell> 21:41 < sbalneav> kwii?  Is that pronounced "kwee", or is it the kde version of world war 2?
[11:55] <Riddell> what is it that makes people's minds think that about kwwii
[12:08] <nixternal> Riddell: bug 135445 and bug 135446 - I have reported both upstream as well
[12:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135445 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact sends mail to trash with "no subject" and "unkowns"" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135445
[12:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135446 in kdepim "[Gutsy]  Kontact Error: Could not login into mail account - passwd may be wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135446
[12:09] <jdong> nixternal: yay kt 2.2.2
[12:09] <jdong> I'm trying to figure out WTF is changed
[12:09] <jdong> and decide if it's worth UVF'ing
[12:09] <nixternal> heh
[12:10] <jdong> I can tell you what hasn't changed.
[12:10] <jdong> the changelog
[12:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: How about you buy a bunch of MS stock and then vote for them to open source the code put up the patent proof and shut up?
[12:36] <DaSkreech> Riddell: cause if you see WWII you think world war two?


[02:42] <[Relic]> currently on 17.10, I installed the usb startup creator, but every time I run it it automatically goes to a box that says "installing" without me asking and there is no other info on that popup to tell me what it is installing, just trying to get a copy of 18.04 to usb to install
 @[Relic], Ignore the popup box and proceed to select the ISO and destination. The box will change to an installation status box when USB creation is started.
[02:47] <[Relic]> Thanks  :)
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:07] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:52] <veter> Hello Kubuntu community!
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi veter
[12:34] <zxq9> veter: Hello there!
[12:34] <zxq9> Slow channel much of the time. Long-latency communication. Be patient. :-)
[12:37] <Acheron> i found Kubuntu to be the best Plasma distro
[12:40] <hateball> I think most of us do :)
[12:44] <Acheron> yes and with the rececetnly updated Plasma 5.12.5 desktop, i have been quite impressed
[12:46] <Acheron> so i'm just here to listen for any insight
[12:52] <katnip-> 5.13 soon
[12:57] <Acheron> yes, its still in beta
[12:58]  * acheronuk looks quizzically @ Acheron
[12:59] <Acheron> well hello there
[13:46] <mparillo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acheron_(disambiguation)
[14:00] <Acheron> Acheron LV-426, the planet where the film Alien, and its sequel Aliens, are primarily set
[14:07] <acheronuk> maybe one of those
[14:10] <Guest54272> ola
[14:11] <Guest54272> alguien me lee?
[16:19] <EdgyMC_69> If I have a problem with Discord on Kubuntu should I ask here or rather find a support channel for Discord?
[16:24] <incognito1> Depends on your problem. Try us!
[18:20] <om26er> Hi! Whats the fix for super key not working to open the drawer ?
[18:21] <om26er> it suddenly stopped working (Kubuntu 18.04)
[18:41] <_Wens_> hi all! How to disable automatic find updates on kubuntu 18.04?
[18:42] <_Wens_> find=check
[20:40] <DarthFrog> Is anyone having trouble getting Steam to run on 18.04?
[21:00] <acheronuk> DarthFrog: the client runs. dunno more than that as I don't use it
[21:02] <DarthFrog> acheronuk: The symptom was that the client seems to start then vanishes.  For  me, the fix was "sudo apt install libnvidia-gl-390:i386"
[21:02] <DarthFrog> I just wanted to put this out for anyone it might help.
[21:02] <acheronuk> hmmm. client updating. will see if it still runs after that
[21:04] <acheronuk> DarthFrog: I seem to have that installed. nvidia card on this box
[21:04] <DarthFrog> Then you won't face the same issue I did.
[21:09] <icogon_> Google Chrome's font rendering is blurry. How to fix this problem?
[21:44] <incognito> Darthfrog: you got it working?? Great!!!
[21:44] <incognito> Darthfrog: that makes me so happy!!!
[22:21] <DarthFrog> incognito: Thanks for your kind thoughts.
[22:21] <Paddy_NI> Hello, I am absolutely loving Kubuntu 18.04. Fantastic work!  I opted for the minimal install and would like to install libreoffice, when searching in Muon and the Discover frontends there is a number of libreoffice meta packages.  Which do I need to install to get the best experience on KDE?
[22:22] <DarthFrog> Define best experience.
[22:22] <Paddy_NI> DarthFrog: Kde integration. Basically which libreoffice packages would have come preinstalled had I opted for the full install
[22:23] <DarthFrog> Paddy_NI:  sudo apt install libreoffice
[22:23] <DarthFrog> Then stand back. :-)
[22:23] <Paddy_NI> Oh?  Will that grab the kde integration along with it?
[22:24] <DarthFrog> AFAIK, yes.  But I don't know for sure.
[22:25] <DarthFrog> Paddy_NI:  sudo apt install libreoffice-kde
[22:25] <DarthFrog> Will do it for certain.
[22:25] <Paddy_NI> I was hoping that was the case, always worth confirming these things :-)
[22:27] <Paddy_NI> Ah it seems I need both
[22:41] <denza242> ;-;
[22:41] <denza242> are there any issues with 17.10->18.04 upgrades
[22:41] <denza242> or am I safe
[22:51] <Acheron> always best to do a clean install
[22:52] <valorie> denza242: my upgrades were uneventful
[22:52] <valorie> if you have valuable data of course always do a backup
[22:53] <denza242> fair
[22:53] <denza242> hmm, will KDE 5.13 be made available on 17.10
[22:53] <valorie> Acheron: clean installs are faster, but have you really found them better?
[22:53] <valorie> denza242: do you mean Plasma 5.13?
[22:53] <valorie> or?
[22:53] <denza242> yeah
[22:54] <valorie> I doubt it
[22:54] <denza242> I want to try out plasma-browser-integration
[22:54] <valorie> eol in a couple months
[22:54] <denza242> rip ;-;7
[22:55] <valorie> I mean, we backport stuff if possible to the last LTS, but usually not to the just-past release
[22:56]  * valorie is running Plasma 5.12.5 on 18.04
[22:56] <valorie> 5.13 has not yet been released
[22:57] <valorie> when it is, it will be in backports or "plasma-backports"
[22:57] <valorie> afaik still not decided
[23:12] <Acheron> yes, i do serveral clean installs a day
[23:14] <Acheron> this one was done just this morning
[23:14] <Acheron> Sysinfo for 'hp-elitedesk-800-g1-sff': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.12.5 on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) powered by Linux 4.15.0-22-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz at 3439-3592/3600 MHz, RAM: 10451/15985 MB, Storage: 72/452 GB, 217 procs, 5.91h up
[23:17] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.12.5 on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) powered by Linux 4.15.0-22-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 3399-3400/3800 MHz, RAM: 14060/32119 MB, Storage: 277/1144 GB, 266 procs, 112.11h up
[23:18] <valorie> upgraded from a 17.10 install - no issues
[23:19] <valorie> I did lots of clean installs as well, since I'm the release manager and a huge part of that job is ensuring that all the ISOs have good testing coverage
[23:20] <valorie> it's fairly annoying to have to re-install a lot of software, so IMO high-quality upgrades should always be an option for our users
[23:20]  * valorie goes afk for now
[23:21] <Acheron> its not annoying if you have a script to do it all ;)
[23:33] <[Relic]> any weirdness on 18 installation that I should know about before I start?  like the nvidia stuff on 17


[07:04] <rvba> Thanks for the reviews gmb.
[07:04] <gmb> np
[07:27] <bigjools> jtv: ha, just had this discussion with gmb.  He sent mockups to the devel list
[07:27] <bigjools> a while ago
[07:30] <bigjools> rvba: FYI I just said to gmb not to bother with pushing keyring blobs through
[07:30]  * gmb was about to type exactly the same thing…
[07:31] <rvba> bigjools: Do you mean getting rid of BootSource.keyring_data?
[07:32] <bigjools> don't get rid of it, we just don't need it yet, a file will suffice
[07:32] <bigjools> file name
[07:32] <bigjools> because the keyring is already installed for all known sources as of this point in time
[07:33] <rvba> Well, I already did the work in the API to support it.
[07:33] <bigjools> how much is left to finish this then? I thought it wasn't near completion
[07:34] <rvba> All the API for BootSource is done.  I need to add support for BootSourceSelection and we're done.
[07:35] <jtv_> Leaving UI.
[07:35] <rvba> Yeah, I'm only talking about the API.
[07:36] <jtv_> Didn't mean to derail you there.
[07:37] <rvba> Don't worry, you didn't :).
[07:37] <jtv_> :)
[07:37] <bigjools> [17:27:16] <bigjools> jtv: ha, just had this discussion with gmb.  He sent mockups to the devel list
[07:38] <bigjools> jtv_: ^
[07:38] <bigjools> bloody netsplits
[07:38] <jtv_> Yeah.  That was my other nick.  I'll check email.
[07:38] <bigjools> jtv_: they were sent a while ago
[07:38] <bigjools> "Getting rid of bootresources.yaml (sort of)"
[07:39] <bigjools> rvba, gmb: sorry, so how much work is left to push these keyring blobs through? gmb made it sound like a lot of work
[07:39] <gmb> bigjools: My bad… there’s not a massive amount of work, it’s just tedioous.
[07:40] <bigjools> and how do you plan on getting the keyring blobs *into* the DB?
[07:40] <gmb> Maybe a day’s worth.
[07:40] <gmb> The only complex part is deciding where to write the keyring data out.
[07:40] <gmb> s/complex/thinko-ridden
[07:40] <gmb> bigjools: File upload, read the file, stick the contents in the DB
[07:41] <bigjools> gmb: in the web UI?
[07:41] <bigjools> what about the default config?
[07:41] <bigjools> this is one of the reasons I was sceptical when I saw you were doing this :)
[07:41] <gmb> bigjools: Default config will use the default cloud image keyring
[07:42] <bigjools> gmb: and is that going to be installed on each appserver?
[07:42] <gmb> Hmm, good point.
[07:42] <bigjools> check the package dependencies
[07:43] <bigjools> but I would seriously consider just using what's on the cluster machine for now
[07:43]  * bigjools heads for dinner, back later
[07:44] <gmb> k
[09:24] <jtv_> What does the "remove default config file value for MIPF" mean exactly?
[09:26] <rvba> jtv_: just changing the import script so that it doesn't use /etc/maas/bootresources.yaml by default.
[09:27] <jtv_> Thanks.  I'll annotate the card.
[09:28] <jtv_> Or, unless anybody minds, change it to "Wean import script off bootresources.yaml."
[09:46]  * gmb -> location switch
[10:48] <gmb> allenap: So, to clarify: we’re going to 1) Add a dependency for maas-region-controller->ubuntu-cloud-image-keyring ; 2) Read the cloud-image-keyring into the DB as part of ensure_boot_source on the cluster 3) Proceed as specified with blobbity stuff.
[10:52] <gmb> allenap: I was a bit distracted at the end of the call; so could use confirmation from someone else’s brain :)
[10:52] <gmb> rvba, jtv: Your memories will also be more accurate than mine on this score ^^ :)
[11:00] <jtv_> I don't think we can do that as part of ensure_boot_source_definition.
[11:00] <jtv_> Didn't we say we'd just let the cluster register the installed keyring as a blob?
[11:01] <jtv_> We can of course install a _region-side_ keyring in ensure_boot_source_definition.
[11:02] <jtv_> As the default value, that is.
[11:02] <jtv_> Re-reading in that light, I think the only thing I'm objecting to is where you say "on the cluster."
[11:14] <gmb> jtv_: Sorry, I wasn’t clear: “on the cluster” meant “on the cluster model when the cluster is created"
[11:14] <gmb> So the region is the canonical source for the keyring(s).
[11:18] <jtv_> Right ho then.
[11:19] <jtv_> It won't actually be on the cluster model, of course, but rather on the BootSource one.
[11:33] <gmb> jtv_: Right. Complete confusion on my part.
[11:34]  * gmb likes the throw-it-at-the-wall model of conversation
[11:42]  * jtv_ learned the hard way about anchoring shared understanding
[11:50] <gmb> Yeah.
[12:19] <allenap> gmb: Yes, except for the bit about loading the keyring into the database. When a keyring is identified by a filename it should be, imo, loaded from that file.
[12:20] <allenap> Every time, not cached in the database.
[15:00] <AskUbuntu> Setting up MAAS on 14.04LTS Region + Cluster on same server DHCP not working | http://askubuntu.com/q/469649
[15:52] <rvba> gmb: if you feel like reviewing the rest of the API work, I just put it up for review.
[15:52] <gmb> rvba: I just saw :). I’ll take a look in a mo. Just unknotting something.
[15:52] <rvba> Cool.
[16:23] <gmb> allenap: I have a question about mocking for you.
[16:24] <gmb> allenap: By which I mean “using the mock” module, not “belittling people”
[17:57] <l1l> Ok folks, I am having a problem with maas-dns. The reverse dns isn't working and I am seeing a error in the celery-region.log
[18:02] <l1l> rndc_command: Command `rndc -c /etc/bind/maas/rndc.conf.maas reload 16.172.in-addr.arpa` returned non-zero exit status 1:
[18:02] <l1l> None
[19:06] <AskUbuntu> Juju bootstraping gomaasapi timestamp error | http://askubuntu.com/q/469778
[20:20] <AskUbuntu> JUJU MAAS Bootstrap all on VM | http://askubuntu.com/q/469810
[22:22] <AskUbuntu> Can't Deploy Wordpress | http://askubuntu.com/q/469848
[22:59] <phillw> Hi good people, I'm following http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs1.5/install.html#pkg-install and it seems very badly broken (the ppa doesn't work, the mass-dhcp and mass-dns do not exist. Is there a working set of instructions for installing cloud onto a trusty server?
[23:15] <mwhudson> hm
[23:15] <mwhudson> i definitely managed to install maas on trusty recently :-)
[23:17] <phillw> mwhudson: well, any hints / tips or a set of working instructions would be gratefully received :)
[23:18] <mwhudson> i'm trying to remember
[23:18] <mwhudson> phillw: what do you mean maas-dns doesn't exist?
[23:18] <mwhudson> it looks installable to me
[23:19] <mwhudson> i'm not sure you need the ppa if you're running trusty but don't take my world for that
[23:20] <mwhudson> well certainly you don't need the ppa to install it
[23:23] <gaughen> mwhudson, phillw I am running trusty and have maas on my system.. maas-dhcp and maas-dns too (v1.5)
[23:23] <phillw> the system reported back that I do not need the ppa, but it also could not find maas-dhcp or maas-dns
[23:23] <gaughen> and yes, no ppa required
[23:23] <mwhudson> phillw: can you pastebin the error message?
[23:25] <phillw> it seems to have woken up!!!! 209 apps to install :)
[23:25] <mwhudson> heh
[23:26] <mwhudson> it's the usual thing, complain about something in public and it instantly fixes itself
[23:26] <phillw> it is a very new VM, maybe it had not fully linked to the world :)
[23:26] <phillw> and, it's not a typ, as I scrolled back through my commands to re-issue :)
[23:28] <gaughen> phillw, I suspect it may not have been linked to the world because I just created a new vm with trusty and did an apt-get on those three packages and it's going fine
[23:29] <gaughen> like mwhudson said complain in public and it fixes itself ;-)
[23:30] <phillw> indeed... well it may be because I told the student eagerly awaiting it that I was going to bed and would have another attempt later today (I'm UK time)