[03:54] <shaunm> I know Ubuntu has remixes for KDE and XFCE, and that you guys put a lot of documentation work into those.  Is Ubuntu doing anything with any of the other desktop environments?
[03:54] <shaunm> LXDE, Rox, GNUStep, Enlightenment?
[05:12] <Rocket2DMn> shaunm, we only handle official Ubuntu versions, so we don't document other DEs
[05:12] <Rocket2DMn> a fair amount of stuff can be shared with some though, since applications can be used in different DEs
[05:13] <cody-somerville> That untrue.
[05:13] <Rocket2DMn> which part?
[05:13] <cody-somerville> For LXDE, I think they're starting a documentation effort.
[05:14] <Rocket2DMn> I heard awhile ago about possibly having an official derivative with LXDE, haven't heard anything recently.  Haven't heard anything about documentation for it
[05:14] <cody-somerville> Quite a bit of discussion at the previous UDS re: LXDE
[05:15] <cody-somerville> I think there might have been a session about documentation but I can't recall for sure.
[05:15] <Rocket2DMn> unfortunately I can't take the time to attend UDS, I haven't seen any announcements or mailing list discussions on it (at least on the lists i subscribve to)
[05:15] <Rocket2DMn> Were they going to call it Lubuntu or Little Ubuntu or something?
[05:15] <cody-somerville> shaunm, alas, there is nothing for those desktop environments yet
[05:15] <cody-somerville> Rocket2DMn, Lubuntu I believe
[05:16] <Rocket2DMn> I'd definitely support that, but to answer his questions, afaik there isn't documentation on other DEs that aren't officially supported (maybe perhaps a mention of them, but no real substance)
[05:16] <Rocket2DMn> Ran across a /. article today about linux documentation lacking :(
[05:17]  * cody-somerville nods.
[05:17] <Rocket2DMn> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/03/1449211/Is-Linux-Documentation-Lacking
[05:17] <Rocket2DMn> there is definitely some truth to it
[05:18] <Rocket2DMn> some projects are better than others
[05:26] <DarkwingDuck> I know that KDE Documentation is hurting... One of the reasons I've kicked up to help with that on the Kubuntu end along with the KDE side.
[05:28] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, you guys are basically rewriting all of them
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> on the Kubuntu side we are.
[05:29] <Rocket2DMn> i think with the ubuntu-docs, we'll hav eto give them a good once-over before string freeze, esp. since the next release is LTS
[05:29] <Rocket2DMn> seems like we miss things that get reported too late
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, that's why we are dumping all we have into Lucid
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> taking the bugs from Karmic and Jaunty and pushing them into Lucid fixes
[05:30] <Rocket2DMn> we have lots of stuff open against ubuntu-docs
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> I think we have about 2 dozen ATM but, with the re-write we have been taking care of them.
[05:31] <Rocket2DMn> I'm hoping to close out some old bugs for Lucid
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> We are shooting for around the new year
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> It's been fun starting fresh though
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> You look at a blank slate and start writing
[05:34] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah, that is fun
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> It was a little daunting at first but, after a bit you realize it is actually simpler to get what you want to say across
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> I'm debating on doing a presentation for Documentation at Camp-KDE in January
[05:39] <Rocket2DMn> go for it man
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> I think I will... Putting together the presentation will be easy... It's mostly a style and putting together what you want and XML/Docbook
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> Have you guys switched to Mallard yet?
[05:41] <Rocket2DMn> no, we;re still using docbook, are you using mallard?
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> No, and I don't think we will
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> docbook is too simple
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> I know there was an email thread talking about mallard and the gnome side of the house
[05:45] <Rocket2DMn> Hehe, well, I'm not sure when we will switch
[05:45] <Rocket2DMn> if we can convert to mallard easily, i would support that for Lucid since we will have to maintain the docs for quite awhile
[05:50] <DarkwingDuck> I actually have not used Mallard... what
[05:50] <DarkwingDuck> is the benefit of Mallard over docbook?
[05:51] <Rocket2DMn> I don't remember exactly, but if gnome is using it, it makes sense for us to use it
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> Very true
[05:54] <DarkwingDuck> Just like with KDE using Docbook so should us on the Kubuntu side
[05:57] <Rocket2DMn> okie dokie, i'm off
[05:57] <Rocket2DMn> see ya later DarkwingDuck
[06:07] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck, cody-somerville: if you happen to run across anybody seriously doing LXDE documentation work, could you let me know?
[06:07] <shaunm> whether within Ubuntu or just upstream
[06:08] <DarkwingDuck> I'll keep me ears open
[06:08] <shaunm> thanks
[06:10] <DarkwingDuck> shaunm, you had mentioned a couple of days ago about a help summit in kde-docs
[06:15] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[06:15] <shaunm> that's sort of why I'm after documentation people from other teams
[06:21] <DarkwingDuck> where will it be at?
[06:35] <shaunm> DarkwingDuck: Chicago
[06:37] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh, hmm... I don't know if I'll be able to make that or not...
[06:37] <shaunm> where are you?
[06:38] <DarkwingDuck> San Diego
[06:38] <shaunm> it's tough choosing a city.  no matter where it is, it's bad for somebody
[06:38] <shaunm> one of the guys I'd like to have is in australia.  anything on this continent sucks for him
[06:39] <shaunm> Chicago seemed good, because it's easy to fly to.  If you can get a direct flight anywhere, you can probably get it to Chicago.
[06:40] <shaunm> Plus, I'm fairly close, so it's easier for me to plan.  And nixternal and j1mc are both there.
[06:41] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yeah. I have family in northern Indiana so, I might make a trip of it
[06:41] <shaunm> Yeah?  Where at?  I'm from northwest Indiana, originally
[06:42] <DarkwingDuck> Fort Wayne
[06:42] <shaunm> ah, farther east then
[06:42] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, but, not bad
[06:42] <shaunm> still, that's what, a three hour drive?
[06:42] <shaunm> that's how far I am from the city, just in a different direction
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, 3, 3 1/2.
[06:45] <shaunm> all right, I'm heading to bed.  I'm hoping to get a confirmation on the venue soon.  When I do, I'll send out emails.
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> Cool, let me know
[15:57] <mistrynitesh> jjesse: while updating the system docs, should 'status' attribute be 'draft' or 'writing'/'review'
[15:57] <jjesse> waiting review
[15:58] <mistrynitesh> jjesse: hmmm... 'draft' or 'waiting review' is not listed on the wiki page ~/Checking
[16:00] <mistrynitesh> jjesse: do we need to update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Checking ?
[16:01] <jjesse> umm don't know, been a while since i referenced that page
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, for bug 145055 - what do you think about just linking to the document from advanced-topics ?


[10:38] <wulfgarpro> git url?
[10:38] <wulfgarpro> hey guys*
[10:39] <wulfgarpro> i'm following http://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/_list/git
[10:39] <wulfgarpro> which looks empty
[10:39] <vikingredwolf> sourceforge?! nope
[10:39] <wulfgarpro> links old then
[10:39] <wulfgarpro> github?
[10:40] <wulfgarpro> found it
[10:40] <wulfgarpro> thx
[10:40] <vikingredwolf> sure, I never worked on SF :D
[10:40] <vikingredwolf> GIT
[10:41] <wulfgarpro> yeah im new, so looks like the link here is old: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers
[10:41] <wulfgarpro> under LXDE Development
[10:41] <vikingredwolf> thanks, I¡ll have to change it
[10:41] <vikingredwolf> *I'll
[10:42] <vikingredwolf> https://github.com/lxde
[10:43] <wulfgarpro> got it :)
[10:46] <vikingredwolf> anyway, wulfgarpro, some parts are in bazaar
[10:46] <vikingredwolf> artwork, for instance
[10:47] <wulfgarpro> yeah, i've seen that
[10:47] <vikingredwolf> okies :)
[23:03] <wulfgarpro> hey guys
[23:03] <wulfgarpro> what's the diff between lubuntu-dev and lubuntu-desktop on launchpad?
[23:03] <wulfgarpro> i want to work on features but I'm only a member of lubuntu-desktop
[23:03] <wxl> wulfgarpro: -dev is wqhere you'll find up to date ppas :)
[23:04] <wulfgarpro> wxl: how do I get a member invite?
[23:04] <wxl> wulfgarpro: don't need one to access the ppas
[23:07] <wulfgarpro> wxl: where's the wiki page on how you guys work? what's the process of working on blueprints?
[23:07] <wxl> wulfgarpro: hwo exactly would you like to contribute?
[23:07] <wxl> wulfgarpro: is your intention to actually supply code?
[23:07] <wulfgarpro> wxl: pick up something from here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev and work on it
[23:08] <wulfgarpro> wxl: yeah, code
[23:08] <wxl> wulfgarpro: comfortable with c++, gtk, qt?
[23:08] <wulfgarpro> wxl: yah
[23:09] <wxl> wulfgarpro: i'll run you up the flagpole. :) julien (gilir) is head of development, so he's the right person to talk to but is rarely on
[23:09] <wulfgarpro> wxl: less comfortable with trying to join the project from the outside
[23:09] <wxl> wulfgarpro: can you email a reminder to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that will give me some contact info so i can get back to you. wiki/lp links would be nice.
[23:09] <wulfgarpro> wxl: ok, I sent him an email yesterday requesting access to the launchpad group
[23:10] <wulfgarpro> wxl: ok, im new to launchpad etc, so things might be light
[23:10] <wxl> wulfgarpro: while we wait to talk to him, you may want to sort through bugs and look for fixes
[23:10] <wxl> wulfgarpro: that';s fine. as long as there's something :)
[23:11] <wulfgarpro> wxl: 2 questions
[23:11] <wulfgarpro> wxl: is the lubuntu code on github?
[23:11] <wxl> wulfgarpro: well, yeah, that's where it gets confusing
[23:11] <wxl> because what is lubuntu?
[23:11] <wulfgarpro> wxl: exactly
[23:11] <wulfgarpro> wxl: isn't it ubuntu with lxde?
[23:12] <wxl> lubuntu = minimal ubuntu (no apps) + lxde + some special picked applications
[23:12] <wulfgarpro> wxl: yeah
[23:12] <wxl> so if you're talking about the lubuntu-specific stuff then you're not talking about minimal ubuntu
[23:12] <wxl> the UPSTREAM lxde code is on github now.
[23:12] <wxl> afaik upstream fixes flow through debian down to ubuntu fairly easily
[23:13] <wulfgarpro> wxl: ok, question 2
[23:13] <wxl> but we're still working on getting access for the latest development branch which is lxqt
[23:13] <wxl> e.g. lxde - gtk + qt
[23:13] <wulfgarpro> wxl: kk
[23:13] <wxl> (by access i mean having sponsors in debian)
[23:13] <wxl> debian stuff is autosynced to ubuntu afaik
[23:14] <wxl> there are a few items (lubuntu-software-center, e.g.) that are entirely on lp, and for that you would need bzr
[23:14] <wulfgarpro> wxl: where are bugs reported then?
[23:14] <wxl> wulfgarpro: bugs are reported to lp and then forwarded upstream
[23:15] <wulfgarpro> wxl: I see 2 bugs from 2014 on lo
[23:15] <wulfgarpro> lp*
[23:15] <wxl> yeah…
[23:15] <wxl> we are a small team unfortunately
[23:15] <wulfgarpro> lxterminal and policykit-1
[23:15] <wxl> so if i were you, i would find bugs that you can fix easily
[23:16] <wxl> see if you can fix them upstream and if so, submit them
[23:16] <wxl> easy that :)
[23:16] <wulfgarpro> wxl: unreported bugs
[23:16] <wulfgarpro> wxl: thanks for the info :)
[23:19] <wxl> OH
[23:19] <wxl> then report them wulfgarpro !
[23:20] <wulfgarpro> wxl: no sorry, I mean find unreported bugs
[23:20] <wxl> oh no!
[23:21] <wulfgarpro> wxl: as per your suggestion to "find bugs"
[23:21] <wxl> i mean reported and unresolved bugs
[23:22] <wulfgarpro> wxl: well, thanks a total of 2, or do you mean work on upstream bugs? i.e. debian/ubuntu
[23:22] <wxl> wulfgarpro: oh there should be some there.
[23:22] <wulfgarpro> wxl: can you pls link me?
[23:23] <wxl> wulfgarpro: usu. if you join https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging you'll get updates on bugs
[23:24] <wxl> there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging
[23:25] <wxl> here's the qt stuff (mostly) https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next
[23:25] <wulfgarpro> wxl: I see, im confused as to the seperation of the teams and lp groups
[23:25] <wxl> yeah lp can be a little weird at times
[23:26] <wxl> lubuntu-packaging means to collect bugs related to lubuntu
[23:26] <wxl> if you join it you'll get updates on bugs related to any package in lubuntu
[23:26] <wxl> for example, lxterminal, but also transmission-gtk
[23:26] <wulfgarpro> wxl: yeah, this is better
[23:26] <wxl> (so it might not be specific to lubuntu but it should affect lubuntu)
[23:27] <wulfgarpro> wxl: ill join these groups
[23:27] <wxl> lubuntu-dev should collect development work
[23:27] <wxl> wulfgarpro: i really appreciate your interest in contributing. if i can be of any further help, do not hesitate to find me here or email me
[23:27] <wxl> we need more devs!
[23:28] <wulfgarpro> wxl: is there better documentation on the segregation of the lp pages/groups and how they all interact?
[23:28] <wulfgarpro> wxl: would def help noobs coming in
[23:28] <wxl> i agree
[23:29] <wulfgarpro> wxl: if it's missing I could write it up
[23:29] <wulfgarpro> wxl: once i understand haha
[23:29] <wxl> sounds good :)
[23:29] <wxl> as i said we're a small team, wulfgarpro


[12:14] <TheMuso> lamont: I thought davis failed with karmic...
[12:16] <lamont> TheMuso: exactly
[12:16] <lamont> OTOH, neither adare nor royal has yet, in my attempts to reproduce the OOPS in hopes of getting it fixed in lucid...
[12:16] <lamont> so, it's davis' turn
[12:17] <TheMuso> heh ok


[00:33] <spm> hmmm. following along the support/installation instructions.; step 3 fails. click the menu. nothing. run the applet from the cmd line, works fine - and a page opens in firefox. odd.
[05:05] <dobey> spm that is indeed odd
[09:03] <thisfred> GOOOOOD morning Ubuntu One!
[09:03] <thisfred> for very local values of morning, I realize
[09:03] <thisfred> This is a local morning, for local people
[09:14] <alanbell> morning thisfred
[09:16] <thisfred> hi alanbell
[09:19] <thisfred> ah, new kernel, restart required...
[09:20] <leoquant> -13 kernel indeed fingers crossed .....
[09:28] <alanbell> new kernel in Jaunty?
[09:32] <thisfred> alanbell: I'm not sure, I'm using way too many repositories... ;)
[09:33] <leoquant> uname -r 2.6.28-13-generic
[09:46] <alanbell> I am on 2.6.28-11-generic
[09:48]  * Ng hmms, I think the U1 client tries to connect too soon after NM announces a connection
[09:49] <Ng> I use a wired connection in a place where there is also wireless, so I end up connecting to both and the few seconds where that's all happening seems to make network things quite unhappy
[10:08] <leoquant> alanbell with a default repos. you should have the -13 imho...
[10:09] <leoquant> (no proposed or backports here)
[10:12] <artir> u1 client latest update requires gtk 2.17 and latest in jaunty is 2.16.1
[10:23] <rodrigo_> morning
[11:41] <daubers> Hey all, just to check before I file a bug, does anyone else have long filenames overlapping with the file underneath in the web UI?
[11:50] <jdobrien> daubers: yeah that's reported
[11:50] <daubers> Ah, ok
[11:50] <jdobrien> the file ui is going to get an overhaul
[11:50] <daubers> I had a quick ;look but couldn't find it on launchpad
[11:50] <jdobrien> web that is
[11:58] <daubers> oooh, interesting
[11:59] <daubers> It's quite nice already
[12:28] <thisfred> new py.test beta is out: http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=py&version=1.0.0b3
[12:28] <thisfred> the py. libraries are usually a bit too magic for me, but ymmv, and they do incredibly cool and clever stuff
[13:30] <mattgriffin> good morning beta testers :)
[13:30] <facundobatista> Hi all
[13:30] <facundobatista> Hi mattgriffin
[13:33] <rodrigo_> hi mattgriffin
[13:36] <SteveA> hi matt
[13:39] <jblount> Hmm. So I have to keep 'sudo killall ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-syncdaemon' and restarting ubuntuone-client to upload a bunch (4GB or so) or stuff.
[13:41] <jdobrien> jblount: I just disconnect and reconnect
[13:41] <jdobrien> jblount: no fancy killing
[13:41] <jdobrien> jblount: we really need some bandwidth throttling though
[13:42] <jdobrien> jblount: U1 will take all my bandwidth and I can't even read mail
[13:42] <jblount> jdobrien: Eh, I'd love for it to take all my bandwidth, I shouldn't have to dis/re connect in order to upload a couple of gigs of files. That's dumb.
[13:42]  * jdobrien was digging into some python bandwidth throttling code
[13:43] <jdobrien> jblount: well...I had work to do ;)
[13:43] <jblount> jdobrien: This is my work! :)
[13:45] <jdobrien> did anyone notice that when sharing folders, it doesn't group them by who shared them...so you can have folders listed with the same name
[13:45] <jdobrien> thats in the web ^^
[13:45] <jblount> jdobrien: That's true, it's a totally different experience.
[13:49] <dobey> hrmm
[13:50] <dobey> i wonder if it would be better instead of having "foo from bar/" to have "bar/foo/" as the directory shared to you
[13:50] <dobey> that way if someone shares multiple things to you, they're all grouped by that person
[13:50] <jblount> dobey: +1
[13:51] <dobey> i blogged about the 0.90.2 tarballs being released, last night too
[13:53] <statik> hello world
[13:54] <jdobrien> dobey: in the web ui, I would like to have /Shared With Me/<Who>/<Share Name>/
[13:54] <jdobrien> dobey: adding more folders on the client wouldn't be a good idea
[13:54] <dobey> jdobrien: right. i was suggesting we should do it that way on the client, rather than how we are now
[13:55] <jdobrien> dobey: at least from the "I can't put files in Shared With Me/John O'Brien/
[13:55] <dobey> but i don't want to write the migration code
[13:55] <dobey> jdobrien: the web ui shouldn't display things differently than the local client.
[13:59] <jblount> dobey: If your blog had comments, I would comment "well don"
[13:59] <jblount> s/don/done
[14:00] <dobey> my blog explicitly doesn't have comments, because the majority of them would be "you suck" or "buy some viagra", and i don't like getting spam :)
[14:00] <dobey> i get enough spam in my email
[14:05] <jdobrien> spam is viagra
[14:09] <jdobrien> I need two volunteers
[14:09] <dobey> spam spam spam spam spam bacon, eggs, viagra, and spam
[14:09] <jblount> jdobrien: Pick me!
[14:10] <jdobrien> please share a folder with me using the name "TestFolder" send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:10] <jdobrien> I need one more
[14:10] <jdobrien> dobey: ? ^^
[14:11] <jdobrien> it can be any folder
[14:11] <jdobrien> even an empty one
[14:12] <jblount> jdobrien: Done deal.
[14:12] <thisfred> jdobrien: sharing folder with you
[14:13] <jdobrien> thisfred: thanks...make sure you name it TestFolder
[14:13] <jdobrien> not the folder...the share
[14:13] <thisfred> ok!
[14:14] <verterok> jdobrien: please don't break it :)
[14:14] <thisfred> jdobrien: read only or not or dudn
[14:14] <thisfred> t it matter?
[14:14] <jdobrien> thisfred: doesn't matter
[14:14] <thisfred> k
[14:14] <jdobrien> verterok: oh...i'
[14:14] <thisfred> sharified!
[14:14] <jdobrien> verterok: oh...i'm gonna break it!
[14:15] <jdobrien> bam!
[14:15] <jdobrien> ntegrityError at /files/shareoffer/93b3b6b1-1fb0-4b0e-91b1-b258e44f20e6/claim/
[14:15] <jdobrien> duplicate key value violates unique constraint "share_shared_to_key"
[14:15] <verterok> jdobrien: I knew!
[14:15] <jdobrien> that's dumb integrity error
[14:15] <jdobrien> or we should let the user edit the name
[14:16] <jdobrien> I could call it "Stupid dog pictures Josh shared with me"
[14:16] <jdobrien> hehe
[14:17] <verterok> jdobrien: we should check that before sending the share invitation, and popup for a name change, in this case: when thisfred tried to share with the same name
[14:17] <jdobrien> verterok: that's not possible
[14:17] <jdobrien> verterok: when you send it via email, you don't know which user will accept it
[14:18] <thisfred> ids and user entered names should probably not be mixed
[14:18] <verterok> jdobrien: you'r right...
[14:18] <jdobrien> verterok: but when accepting the share, it could say, This name is already used, enter a new name for this folder
[14:19] <dobey> yay, i guess i don't have to do anything
[14:19] <jdobrien> verterok: I kind of like the idea of letting the user edit the folder name
[14:19] <verterok> jdobrien: but the shared_to user can't change the name of the share...the share it's owned by the creator
[14:19] <jdobrien> dobey: nope...you can get back to real work :)
[14:19] <dobey> which is good, since i'm in the middle of a branch to merge the HTTP sharing code into syncdaemon
[14:19] <jdobrien> verterok: huh...the share name belongs to the shared_to
[14:20] <jdobrien> verterok: everything else is controlled by the shared_by
[14:20] <verterok> dobey: btw, you already know that it should use twisted http client or do the work in thread..right?
[14:20] <dobey> verterok: yes
[14:20] <verterok> great! :D
[14:21] <dobey> verterok: the code that was in the nautilus extension was in a thread anyway, to avoid blocking UI :)
[14:21] <verterok> dobey: :)
[14:21] <verterok> jdobrien: really? facundobatista should know better than me
[14:21] <jdobrien> verterok: i think it's more of a design decision
[14:21]  * facundobatista read
[14:21] <facundobatista> *reads
[14:22] <jdobrien> verterok: I would think users should have control over how their stuff is organized
[14:23] <jdobrien> verterok, facundobatista: we may want to think about a redesign on that at some point. giving the shared_to user more control
[14:23] <verterok> jdobrien: in the desktop side that's an issue, as syncdaemon don't allow share folder renaming
[14:23] <jdobrien> verterok: yes
[14:24] <verterok> dobey, all: I'm working on the share delete fix, should we remove the files when a share is deleted? if the share is RW the user might have local changes...
[14:24] <jdobrien> verterok: I think it's a design issue. we have this folder structure that the user doesn't have control over
[14:24] <facundobatista> verterok, I don't understand what exactly I shoud know better
[14:24] <verterok> facundobatista: if the name of the share is owned by the shared_to user
[14:25] <jdobrien> facundobatista: bug #389491
[14:25] <facundobatista> verterok, what is "the name of the share"?
[14:25] <dobey> verterok: i don't know. ask the design kids :)
[14:25] <verterok> facundobatista: the share name?
[14:25]  * verterok pokes "the design kids"
[14:26] <jblount> verterok: I would say moving it to the "My Files" side might be nice, but we don't have a way to tell the user this happened.
[14:26] <jblount> verterok: He meant #design on canonical's irc server
[14:26] <verterok> ubottu: poke the design kids!
[14:26] <verterok> ubottu: sorry about that :)
[14:26] <jdobrien> facundobatista: I think that empathy use case is perfect...I wonder who wrote it? :)
[14:27] <facundobatista> the share name so far is not "owned" by anybody
[14:27] <verterok> jblount: oh, ok. thanks!
[14:27] <jdobrien> facundobatista, verterok: well obviously we can't just change it willy nilly since the syncdaemon will have to know how to deal with it
[14:27] <facundobatista> verterok, jdobrien, the name is created by the person who creates the share, and we though that in the future the user who receives the share could change it
[14:28] <facundobatista> verterok, jdobrien, what is not clear yet is if the name change should be propagated back to the person who creates the share or not
[14:28] <verterok> facundobatista: good point
[14:28] <jdobrien> facundobatista: the person who created the share never sees it
[14:29] <facundobatista> jdobrien, verterok: I don't understand which is the problem with the "name"... is somebody using it as a key or something?
[14:29] <jblount> This name change thing seems like such a minor detail, is it important to worry about now?
[14:29] <jdobrien> facundobatista: it has nothing to do with the originally shared folder
[14:29] <jdobrien> jblount: it's not really minor
[14:29] <jdobrien> jblount: but, we're not doing a major change right now...so we can't worry about it in this context
[14:32] <facundobatista> jdobrien, verterok: which is the *problem* with the name? Why there's an exception somewhere?
[14:34] <jdobrien> facundobatista: there's the exception when someone shares something with you when someone gives you a share that has the same name as one of your existing shares
[14:34] <jdobrien> facundobatista: i think the lack of control of the organization of what is shared with you is another issue
[14:34] <jdobrien> facundobatista: but related
[14:34] <facundobatista> jdobrien, where's the exception?
[14:35] <jdobrien> facundobatista: when you accept the share
[14:35] <facundobatista> jdobrien, and yes, we have a lack of control in a lot of functionality
[14:35] <facundobatista> jdobrien, but *where* is it? it's a db problem? web problem?
[14:35] <jdobrien> facundobatista: lets dump that on the design kids
[14:35] <jdobrien> facundobatista: the db enforces the constraint
[14:36] <jdobrien> facundobatista: the web ui barfs
[14:38]  * dobey ponders this code a little bit more
[14:38] <jdobrien> sounds like something we can dump on the design kids too!
[14:41] <jblount> mattgriffin: I love it when you answer your own questions ;)
[14:42] <mattgriffin> hi beta testers. we have received a few questions about the age notice in the My Account area ("...have had an account for ..."). i added a LP Answer. please take a look at it and tell me if you think it is sufficient. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubunet/+question/74727 Thanks!
[14:42] <facundobatista> jdobrien, I don't remember why the DB does that... there should be a reason, that may be no longer valid
[14:42] <mattgriffin> jblount: hehe
[14:42] <jblount> mattgriffin: What say we just get rid of that text? We can reintroduce it for bragging rights later?
[14:42] <jdobrien> if there are duplicate share names, the web UI will break
[14:42] <jdobrien> facundobatista: ^^
[14:43] <mattgriffin> jblount: no objections here
[14:44] <Chipaca> good morning!
[14:44] <jblount> I'll slip it into this branch that updates the terms, I've got a few coming down that are long overdue.
[15:01] <dobey> lookin' in my gucci, it's about that time
[15:02] <jblount> Morning Hackers! If you are here for the Ubuntu One Desktop meeting, say me (format is Done, TODO, Blocked, etcetcetc)
[15:02] <jblount> me
[15:02] <rodrigo_> me
[15:02] <dobey> me
[15:03] <CardinalFang> me
[15:03] <jblount> CardinalFang, statik ?
[15:03] <jblount> DONE: FACE duty
[15:03] <jblount> TODO: Review day, hoping to squirrel away enough time to finish up a branch each to fix the terms of service and fix the buttons on the web ui to work more sanely
[15:03] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:03] <jblount> rodrigo_: your turn !
[15:04] <rodrigo_> done: fixed CORBA issues on evo-couchdb, and had evo finally show the contacts from couchdb. Packaged newest upstream json-glib and couchdb-glib in my PPA
[15:04] <rodrigo_> todo: more evo-couchdb work and packages
[15:05] <rodrigo_> blocked: nothing, I won against CORBA :)
[15:05] <rodrigo_> dobey: your turn
[15:05] <dobey> DONE: Fixed client build system issues, started share creation api move to syncdaemon
[15:05] <dobey> TODO: finish moving share creation code to syncdaemon, review day
[15:05] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:05] <dobey> CardinalFang: nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
[15:05] <CardinalFang> DONE: Added tests for mailer replacement.  Fixed some existing tests.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> TODO: Transactions screw with test results; fixing those.  Commit something today.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: Nope.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> ETCETC: Must look to see how to run individual or classes of tests, without star
[15:05] <CardinalFang> ting over.
[15:06] <CardinalFang> EOF
[15:06] <CardinalFang> jblount: that's all, yes?
[15:06]  * jblount 's hand reaches for the EOM button
[15:07] <dobey> statik: your roll
[15:08] <statik> I SUCK
[15:08] <statik> today i will be mostly panicking
[15:08] <jblount> (urbanape is out today, statik totally doesn't suck)
[15:08] <statik> last night the database caught on fire during the rollout
[15:09] <statik> it all got fixed
[15:09] <statik> and i'm still chasing package definitions for karmic
[15:09] <statik> EOF
[15:11] <statik> anyone left?
[15:11] <CardinalFang> Nope.
[15:11] <jblount> END OF MEETING
[15:11] <statik> thanks guys for starting the meeting even though i was mia
[15:11]  * statik cheers
[15:13] <CardinalFang> jblount: "MEET-NG BEGINS" so my IRC client notices.  statik makes me complacent.
[15:14] <jblount> CardinalFang: Noted, I couldn't page back to the last time statik did it because I was too chatty yesterday.
[15:27]  * dobey wonders where the wireless card resides in his laptop, if there is in fact, a "card" for it
[15:31] <pfibiger> dobey: you probably need a microscope to find it
[15:32] <jdobrien> statik: it's good that you've planned to panic
[15:33] <statik> jdobrien: some days you can just tell ahead of time, you know? ;)
[15:36] <jblount> DONTPANIC
[16:00] <dobey> ok, off to lunch. bbiab
[16:43]  * jblount notices that when the dog barks, my piano echoes. Sounds like a ghost.
[16:44] <teknico> jblount: it's probably not a digital piano, then ;-)
[16:47] <jblount> teknico: Nope, acoustic. It's from my wife's family, but sounds decent.
[17:04] <thisfred> wrapping up the sprint here, had a great and productive week
[17:27]  * jblount lunches
[18:11] <vadi2> Would there be a possibility of sharing with non-ubuntu one users (just via a link to anyone, not email invitation) in the future?
[18:16] <statik> in the future, yes
[18:16] <vadi2> thanks
[18:22] <harrydance> Hi all
[18:23] <harrydance> Is there any estimate on how long the queue is for an invitation?
[18:24] <jblount> harrydance: It's sort of longish now, and will get shorter soon :)
[18:24] <jblount> We're still working on making sure the service scales, and have a lot of people interested, so it's taking some time, but we're inviting new groups of people every day.
[18:24] <vadi2> I just got invited after a month and a week ;)
[18:25] <harrydance> Okay, thanks
[18:25] <harrydance> Itching to try this out :p
[18:42] <fallleaf> nicksetup
[18:47] <fallleaf> Had anyone already installed  Ubuntu ONe
[18:48] <jblount> fallleaf: A few people have. I have, for instance :)
[18:49] <fallleaf> How about this application? I think it is same as dropbox.
[18:49] <fallleaf> no better than dropbox
[18:51] <jblount> fallleaf: It has a lot of similarities to Dropbox right now, we're planning some other stuff in the near future (like super awesome contacts syncing, bringin CouchDB to the desktop as a API for all your applications, screen sharing, etc)
[18:53] <fallleaf> now I am using ubuntu one, but network speed is slow, one function I think can been added
[18:54] <fallleaf> when I move mouse to icon in the task bar, it only show "Ubuntu One:Working"
[18:54] <fallleaf> I think it's better show percentage of upload
[18:55] <jblount> fallleaf: Good thought! We're planning on putting what files the client is working on, and progress meters, and move all of that to the messaging indicator.
[18:59] <fallleaf> Yes.  Another is Why not like dropbox have some promotion action,
[19:02] <mattgriffin> fallleaf: interesting idea
[19:02] <fallleaf> so like me, will glad to introduce this application to others
[19:03] <fallleaf> only private invitation not enough
[19:03] <mattgriffin> fallleaf: how do you imagine this working? a taskbar option or control upload priority from nautilus?
[19:05] <fallleaf> now I use it only for backup files
[19:05] <fallleaf> It's safe  store on servers
[19:05] <fallleaf> I like show on taskbar
[19:06] <dobey> if it says "Working" then it's not uploading anything
[19:06] <dobey> if it's uploading or downloading, it should say "Synchronizing"
[19:07] <dobey> "Working" means it's doing a local rescan or a server rescan, generally
[19:07] <dobey> which can be slow, yes
[19:08] <dobey> there are some performance issues we're working on, and we hope to get them ironed out as soon as possible
[19:08] <fallleaf> I confused, if it say "Working", I think it is uploading or downloading
[19:09] <dobey> yes, "working" isn't a great description of what is going on
[19:10] <dobey> but i can't think of a better term for the general "we're busy doing things" states, that aren't actually synchronizing or such
[19:10] <fallleaf> and it say"working" about 2 hours since I copy some files inside
[19:10] <dobey> and the applet is going away soon anyway
[19:10] <dobey> fallleaf: then you've encountered a bug
[19:12] <fallleaf> oh. I think "working" can change to "connecting"
[19:12] <fallleaf> or "connected"
[19:13] <fallleaf> Look:"Get extra space free,You can get up to 3GB of extra space free just for inviting your friends to Dropbox."
[19:15] <dobey> if it's connected, it says "Idle" :)
[19:15] <dobey> yes, we know how dropbox referrals work :)
[19:18]  * jblount has talked with 3 people so far, and hasn't even gotten his RMA setup yet.
[19:19] <fallleaf> If ubuntuone disconnect from network, the icon is better to become grey,
[19:19] <fallleaf> icon marked "x", I think something wrong with my application
[19:19] <fallleaf> if it's connected, and no uploading and downloading ,it's better to says "connected" :)
[19:20] <dobey> it is the same as every other "offline" icon in gnome-icon-theme
[19:21] <dobey> errors use the error icon the (-) "do not enter" style icon
[19:21] <dobey> but again, the applet is going away
[19:21] <jcastro> dobey: do you have .90.2 debs anywhere?
[19:22] <dobey> jcastro: i uploaded 0.90.2 to REVU
[19:22] <dobey> jcastro: so hopefully they will be uploaded into karmic soon
[19:23] <jcastro> yeah I saw that, I asked dholbach to review them for you
[19:23] <jcastro> I was hoping to get debs beforehand.
[19:23] <dobey> oh, great. thanks
[19:23] <jcastro> I suppose I can build my own
[19:27] <dobey> meh, i guess i need to change the packages and re-upload to revu :-/
[19:27] <jcastro> welcome to peer review bud. :)
[19:28] <dobey> hi urbanape
[19:28] <urbanape> heya
[19:28] <jonathon> hello everyone
[19:28] <jblount> jonathon: hiya!
[19:29] <jonathon> does anyone else have a blank icon for ubuntu-client-applet?
[19:29] <jonathon> sorry, let me rephrase that
[19:29] <jcastro> jonathon: yeah, I get a little square
[19:29] <jonathon> does anyone else have a black icon in their system tray for ubuntu-client-applet, instead of the nice ubuntu logo?
[19:30] <jcastro> dobey: after that since it's binary NEW it'll go into another queue for the archive admins to look at it
[19:31] <jcastro> but that's not so bad
[19:31] <dobey> jcastro: yeah, not to mention that we keep debian/ in our bzr tree, so also need merge approval for it
[19:32] <jblount> jonathon: I think that gets fixed on logout / in
[19:32] <jblount> dobey: ^^ ?
[19:33] <dobey> no, it should work fine straight away.
[19:33] <jonathon> jblout: hmm, i've tried rebooting, purging and reinstalling, and rebooting, it all stays the same. the only clues i have are errors when i run from a terminal
[19:33] <dobey> i don't know why it would be broken though
[19:33] <dobey> what errors?
[19:33] <jonathon> e.g. AttributeError: 'AppletIcon' object has no attribute
[19:34] <dobey> pastebin please
[19:35] <jonathon> http://pastebin.com/m111c4b9e
[19:37] <jcastro> dobey: I get the exact same thing
[19:38] <dobey> what version?
[19:40] <jonathon> 0.90.2-0ubuntu1~r51-0 from dev; i had a problem on karmic which was fixed with a configglue update, but this broke instead. :D
[19:40] <jonathon> not dev, nightly
[19:40] <dobey> jcastro: with 0.90.2 for you too?
[19:41]  * jdobrien can only get an Edge connection...much slower that G3
[19:41] <jcastro> dobey: no I am using whatever is in the ppa
[19:42] <jcastro> .90.1
[19:42] <dobey> ok
[19:42] <dobey> jcastro: beta or nightlies ppa? nightlies has post-0.90.2 packages
[19:42] <jcastro> beta
[19:42] <jcastro> I can try on nightlies
[19:43] <dobey> huh
[19:43] <dobey> weird
[19:43] <dobey> file a bug and attach oauth-login.log please :)
[19:43] <dobey> it looks like there could probably be a traceback getting trapped and sent to the log instead
[19:44] <dobey> because the only way that error could happen, is if there's something really whacky going on, causing the AppletIcon __init__ to screw up in the middle somewhere
[19:44] <dobey> but somehow manage to not fail entirely
[19:46] <jonathon> forgive me, new to this. how and where?
[19:46] <dobey> jonathon: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+filebug
[19:46] <jonathon> I have the launchpad page, just the best method and how to find the oath-login
[19:47] <dobey> jonathon: once you've filed the bug, it will show you a bug # on the resulting page, and you can run "apport-collect -p ubuntuone-client <that bug number>" in a terminal to have it attach the logs to that bug
[19:47] <jonathon> right
[19:47] <dobey> jonathon: and just paste the error you see in the terminal in the bug description
[19:48] <jonathon> i'll give it a shot. :)
[19:49] <jonathon> ah, just found oauth-login.log (good old locate)
[19:49] <jonathon> this would likely be it: GError: Icon 'ubuntuone-client-working' not present in theme
[19:51] <jonathon> is this it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/371729
[19:52] <dobey> that could be it
[19:52] <dobey> but i highly doubt it if jcastro is seeing the same problem with the older package
[19:52] <jonathon> ok, i'll file a new bug
[19:53] <jcastro> I get it on the nightlies
[19:53] <dobey> actually, wtf.
[19:53] <jcastro> on 2 machines, trying a third
[19:53] <dobey> hrmm
[19:53] <dobey> jcastro: i think 2 is enough :)
[19:54] <jcastro> dobey: I wonder if it's the theme, because on the third one it appears fine
[19:55] <dobey> jcastro: no. the nightlies packages are broken
[19:56] <jcastro> yep, just noticed that
[19:57] <dobey> as are the packages currently in beta
[19:57]  * dobey gets out his stabbing knife
[20:01] <jcastro> jonathon: are you on karmic or jaunty?
[20:01] <jonathon> karmic
[20:01] <jcastro> ah, me too
[20:01] <jonathon> i've just done an apport thing to the bug i submitted
[20:01] <jcastro> jonathon: link?
[20:01] <jonathon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/389627
[20:02]  * jcastro does the same
[20:02] <dobey> eh
[20:02] <dobey> the logs aren't needed
[20:02] <jcastro> ok
[20:02] <jcastro> should I triage and assign to you?
[20:03] <dobey> i guess
[20:04] <dobey> ok, the beta package looks like it's only broken on karmic
[20:04] <dobey> and the nightlies is broken on both
[20:05] <jcastro> jonathon: good catch!
[20:05] <jonathon> thanks :)
[20:05] <dobey> oh i see why
[20:05] <dobey> ** Message: Error: Inkscape encountered an internal error and will close now.
[20:05] <dobey> Segmentation fault
[20:05] <dobey> lovely :(
[20:06] <dobey> well that explains karmic failure
[20:07] <dobey> and nightlies failure
[20:33] <rmcbride> dobey: hmm so the package completed on the nightly ppa even though inkscape blew up?
[20:33]  * rmcbride admits to not having the log open while he asks that
[20:33] <dobey> rmcbride: and in the beta ppa
[20:34] <rmcbride> Hmm
[20:34] <dobey> rmcbride: even just running inkscape without any arguments, gives me an immediate crash on karmic
[20:34] <rmcbride> nice
[20:34] <dobey> is there a way to compare modification times of files?
[20:35] <statik> dobey: test -nt does it I think
[20:35] <dobey> without having to write perl/python/somethingonthatlevel that is
[20:35] <dobey> ah, so it does
[20:36] <dobey> now why did when i search for modification in "man test" it did not point me at that
[20:38] <dobey> today has been so not very productive at all
[20:46] <dobey> hrmm
[20:46] <dobey> why is it trying to generate the icons at that point anyway
[20:48] <dobey> rmcbride: blah. are we using bzr export for the nightlies tarballs?
[20:48] <rmcbride> dobey: no. Should we be?
[20:49] <dobey> rmcbride: how are the tarballs being built in nightlies then?
[20:49] <rmcbride> dobey: one sec
[20:49] <dobey> rmcbride: it looks like a bzr export to me revNN directory, and there's a .bzr subdirectory
[20:49] <dobey> but maybe that's not an export, so much as just tarring up the directory
[20:50] <rmcbride> dobey: pasted a path from my other machine (too lazy to type it here) I'm mainly just doing debuild -S (with my signing key in teh environ)
[20:52] <dobey> ok
[20:52] <rmcbride> I'm running autogen.sh for client beforehand
[20:52] <rmcbride> as of yesterday
[20:53] <rmcbride> if another method will work better I'll gladly switch.
[20:57] <dobey> hrmm, i guess we should get the versioning argument resolved first
[21:00] <dobey> i am so very close to just calling it a day
[21:46] <dobey> later all
[21:46] <BUGabundo> bye dobey
[21:47] <BUGabundo> and hi to everyone else


[14:26] <Pici> other ne
[21:16] <Unit193> Pici: Just a heads-up, apt-file 3.0 has several backwards incompatible changes, have yet to look through then specifically.
[22:57] <Pici> Unit193: thanks.


[00:33] <guiverc> thank you @philipz
 guiverc: i was looking for you on IRC earlier but didn't see you. hope all is well my friend.
[00:36] <guiverc> yep all well thanks.. likely timezones (I was in bed asleep maybe)
[00:42] <guiverc> as for "joint testing week" april 1st.. yep  ; april-1 seems unfortunate, but so be it; maybe later in the day :)
 doubt people would think it was a joke
 no it won't be seen that way I agree, but it'll be 2nd-April no doubt my local time anyway  (thursday releases are always friday morning my local)
 we can schedule it for april 1st in all locales assuming that the beta ISOs are there
 👍 (re @philipz: welcome @jorgedison and @ghazal88farid. testing instructions can be found in this earlier message.)
 Welcome Arun @Khoiru_arrijal
 welcome @brianwibowo, @Ephrem_M and @Leokolb
 welcome @rikimaza
 for the newly joined people, details of how to test can be found in this blog post and the following comment has the link to where to download the ISOs and see the various testcase (re @philipz: check out this blog post on what's involved to test an ISO https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-testing-week/)
 Ubuntu One's emails go to "Junk Email" in outlook. Can anyone report to them?
 Ubuntu One's emails (recovery password) go to "Junk Email" in outlook. Can anyone report to them? (edited)
 Ubuntu One's emails (recovery password & Ubuntu QA) go to "Junk Email" in outlook. Can anyone report to them? (edited)
[13:53] <ItzSwirlz> anyways so i assume you guys have heard of printer tests
 ItzSwirlz: do you mean the cups snap, if so yes
[15:37] <ItzSwirlz> this one https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/cups-snap-call-for-testing/21266
[15:37] <ItzSwirlz> yea h snap
 if only I had a printer :D
 hope everyone is having a wonderful day. to all the new people that joined, do ask any questions you might have about the testing process or mention any bugs you stumble upon, so others can test it, along with the link to the bug report on launchpad.
 I am still picking up this bug in Xubuntu and Mate when connecting to the Internet with WiFi connection - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1903312
 @Leokolb your last comment in the bug says that ubuntu is also affected right?
 hi
 hi @ertugrulturan
 which flavor are you testing today
 I haven't started yet :D
 have fun
 Sorry I will correct that it was Ubuntu Mate..not Ubuntu..thanks for picking up on it (re @philipz: @Leokolb your last comment in the bug says that ubuntu is also affected right?)
 anytime