[00:46]  * valorie votes yes as well
[00:47] <valorie> how are you, @ahoneybun?
[00:47] <valorie> we should have gotten an email from Karl about helping with the website but I've not yet seen it in moderation
 I've been better tbh. I'm at the ER due to chest pains and stomach pain.
[00:49] <valorie> yikes!
[00:49] <valorie> I was at the ER for chest pain last month and that was no fun
[00:50] <valorie> although they scrurried me right in because I had called my doctor first
[00:50] <valorie> *waiting* in the ER is unbearable
 It's not too bad here but still no fun.
 EKG is good and they have blood work to review with me.
 All good on blood work. They think it's my meds
 I'm glad to hear you're relatively okay Aaron. Keep us updated
 With me I've had a COVID scare. I got tested today and get results within a few days
[01:40] <valorie> yikes!
[01:41] <valorie> you two take care of yourselves!
[01:41] <valorie> tsimonq2: were you exposed to someone who tested positive?
[01:41]  * valorie got the test too, and it was negative
 @valorie, Yes I was
[01:46] <valorie> is that person now ill with covid?
[01:47] <valorie> that's scarier than (&^*^$&^
[01:47] <valorie> I was out today and wore my mask....
 She's 19 and I'm 18, and we're both relatively fine
[01:47] <valorie> ok
 Thankfully I'm not ill
 Not badly anyway
[01:48] <valorie> most young people don't get very sick
[01:48] <valorie> the ones who do.... that's the frightening part
[01:48] <valorie> effing baffling disease
[01:48] <valorie> and we have so little testing in this freaking country
 I've heard anecdotal evidence that I should stay away from Ibuprofen
 Yeah, and the tests take three freaking days. That's the bad part
[01:49] <valorie> last I heard, less than 2%
[01:49] <valorie> mine took a few days, yes
 In WI though, or at least Brown County, I do know we have extras
[01:49] <valorie> but I was pretty sure it was going to be neg.
[01:50] <valorie> for me it turned out I was just super-low in potassium
[01:50] <valorie> weirdness
 I'm about 50/50 on it, although I won't go into detail on what I did with this particular female friend of mine :P
[01:50] <valorie> ha
 :)
[01:51]  * valorie hands out the condoms
 Hahahahaha
[01:58] <valorie> no kidding, always wear a raincoat
 Hahahaha
 Always bro
 Morning, I vote yes on MD5, sounds like you guys are running close to the line but are all OK. … @tsimonq2 if (fishing) { wearing_weelies = true} else {set fishing = false}
[05:15] <mparillo> Sounds unanimous.  Closing https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1883374
 I see no need for the md5


[00:31] <Sarvatt> hmm, unity dash is much slower in mesa 9.1 than 9.0 on ivybridge
[03:36] <agrestringere> Can anyone look at a bug and give me guidance on how to proceed triaging?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+bug/1015297
[19:00] <GeoffCh> Just a heads-up:  after yesterday's upgrade of libdrm-intel1, libdrm-nouveau1a, libdrm-radeon1 and  libdrm2 to 2.4.39-0ubuntu0.1 on 12.10, my Arrandale GPU has started to hang randomly.  Here's a trace from syslog:  http://pastie.org/5860453 ... Since I'm using drm_kms_helper to override EDID, I'm not sure this will affect others.
[19:03] <GeoffCh> Oops, I meant on 12.04
[19:30] <tjaalton> GeoffCh: please file a bug
[19:31] <tjaalton> ubuntu-bug libdrm should do the trick
[19:31] <GeoffCh> OK.  Not sure if it would be a dup of this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1081009
[19:32] <tjaalton> that was a kernel bug
[19:43] <GeoffCh> Thanks tjaalton ... bug report is in.
[22:44] <wrouesnel> so kernel <IP_ADDRESS> is breaking multi-monitor setups with the radeon driver. I'm not entirely sure where to file this.


[12:17] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r4480 ubuntu/windows/C/glossary.xml: fix from gutsy branch
[12:17] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke gutsy * r4481 /ubuntu/ (Makefile broken_translations): tweaks
[12:18] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke gutsy * r4482 / (generic/hack.sh ubuntu/hack.sh): hacks to fix naming conventions of po files
[12:19] <CIA-18> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r4483 / (3 files in 3 dirs): hack.sh, as with gutsy
[20:21] <ubotu> New bug: #155050 in ubuntu-doc "FeistyUpgrades wiki link goes to wrong page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155050


[10:40] <stochastic> Hi everyone, I'm a member of the Ubuntu Studio development team and we're in the process of trying to update our website at http://ubuntustudio.org I'm spearheading this revamp and I need to access the server in order to load new modules into drupal, tweak css files, etc...
[10:41] <stochastic> Cory Kontros pointed me in the direction of Ng to get more access, but I thought a message in here might get more eyeballs and quicker results.
[16:33] <jpds> stochastic: Email rt-at-ubuntu.com about it
[21:04] <stochastic> jdps, will do.


[02:36] <Avenger> is anyone there?
[07:26] <darkxst> ricotz, you ok with landing g-i multiarch gir's? probably easier than reverting that on all packages
[07:30] <ricotz> darkxst, this means you want to sync g-i itself too? i assume it won't breaks things while it fallbacks back to the old location
[07:43] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Is that something we want to risk?
[07:43] <darkxst> ricotz, yes it has fallbacks
[07:48] <darkxst> hmm, though it might break gstreamer
[07:49] <darkxst> based on comments in the debian changelog
[07:51] <darkxst> but probably that only affects builds
[08:02] <darkxst> Noskcaj, in the meanwhile can you fix tracker gir's
[19:02] <octoquad> Hi everyone :)
[19:48] <Noskcaj> darkxst, What change does tracker need?
[19:58] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Also, what version number should i use for pango1.0 and grilo after going back to syncing (after the gir reverts)
[20:08] <Noskcaj> ignore all the above, i though we already synced gir
[20:26] <Jarli> Hi is anyone here familiar with gnome nanny?
[22:03] <darkxst> Noskcaj, when/if we sync g-i, can just leave the ubuntu versions until there is a new debian version to sync


[09:34] <Unit193> Howdy, the time set for http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/openweek-summary-for-thursday/ adn session "Xubuntu: What is that?" is off by an hour, not sure it matters much though :P
[18:12] <pleia2> Unit193: thanks, but yeah, probably doesn't matter at this point :)
[18:12] <pleia2> only you would notice!
[18:24] <Unit193> Heh, maybe I should catch that sooner, but your G+ post was the first I heard of that :P
[18:26] <pleia2> :)


[01:01] <xiven> Hey everyone.
[01:02] <xiven> Perhaps you can help me with a little issue! The usplash boot screen for UB displays incorrectly, it overlaps itself and blotches out too. I've tried reinstalling the package but that didn't do the trick.
[01:02] <xiven> Any suggestions for fixing the problem?
[02:16] <rastasean> checkin out the room here. downloading US now.
[02:16] <rastasean> does it work well for everyonE?
[11:43] <tjingboem> i get no sound from Totem
[11:44] <tjingboem> How can i configure the soundcard?
[18:54] <Shinko> Good Afternoon,  Does Ubuntu Studio work with RPC-1?
[19:17] <rlameiro> Shinko: what is RPC-1?
[19:57] <Shinko> Its a DAC Protocol
[19:57] <Shinko> It comes with the Roland Studio Package Pro
[19:57] <Shinko> The Card itself is the si-24 and via R-bus it connects to the mixer
[20:03] <Shinko> I'm proably not even explaining it properly
[20:03] <Shinko> Ok Let me get my facts right!
[20:03] <Shinko> The RPC-1 is the actualy PCI Card
[20:03] <Shinko> and it connects via the R-BUS cable to the Si-24Mixer.
[20:03] <Shinko> but I don't know if the Digital Control Surface is supported inside ubuntu Studio
[20:04] <Shinko> That's what I was trying to find out.
[20:04] <rlameiro> hummm
[20:05] <rlameiro> well never used something like that
[20:06] <rlameiro> Shinko: http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=347498&Main=346097
[20:08] <Shinko> Thanks alot!
[22:31] <Scorcher> Anyone around?
[22:32] <rlameiro> ...
[22:32] <Scorcher> Does anyone know if 10.04 is going to have easier setup of jack?
[22:33] <rlameiro> define easyier jack setup?
[22:33] <Scorcher> Lol well I can't get jack to work corrcetly.
[22:34] <rlameiro> it can be for alot of reasons
[22:34] <rlameiro> not right permissions settings
[22:34] <rlameiro> not support to the audio card
[22:34] <rlameiro> not apropriated buffer and period setting
[22:34] <rlameiro> etc
[22:34] <rlameiro> could be a lot of things
[22:34] <rlameiro> try to tell what isnt working
[22:35] <Scorcher> Tru.   Just wish there was a easy step by step to get it working
[22:35] <rlameiro> did you read the ubuntustudiopreparation help page
[22:36] <Scorcher> Well I can get it to run using jack d.  But I tried to record something using hydrogen in ardour but it did not record
[22:36] <rlameiro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[22:36] <rlameiro> Scorcher: did you routed the audio signals to the right places?
[22:39] <rlameiro> use qjackctl
[23:07] <Scorcher> Under what screen?
[23:08] <Scorcher> how do I route the signal?
[23:08] <rlameiro> connections
[23:09] <rlameiro> ope jack control
[23:09] <rlameiro> qjackctl
[23:09] <rlameiro> start jack
[23:09] <Scorcher> Is that where I select the soft ware?
[23:09] <rlameiro> and then on connections you can route the midi and audio hardware/software in/outs
[23:09] <Scorcher> ah that's where I messed up at
[23:11] <Scorcher> ok I ran some command yesterday that got jack to work, but the latency is 45.  I don't remember the exact commad, someone gave it to me.  How do I selct the right settings in qctrl?
[23:11] <Scorcher> It was something like jackd -r -l hw:0
[23:12] <rlameiro> thas is a basic command line
[23:12] <rlameiro> its not good for starting
[23:13] <rlameiro> so your problem is not jack isnt working
[23:13] <rlameiro> you dont know jack
[23:13] <rlameiro> so
[23:13] <rlameiro> you should use qjackctl
[23:13] <rlameiro> it will facilitate your life a lot
[23:13] <Scorcher> ok well I tried using the gui biut keep geeting xruns and software could not connect to the server
[23:14] <rlameiro> Scorcher: use the setup to set the card parameters
[23:14] <rlameiro> and remeber this is no toy
[23:14] <rlameiro> this was thinked to be a pro software
[23:14] <rlameiro> so it will be a little hard at the beggining
[23:14] <Scorcher> Ok which setup qctrl?
[23:14] <rlameiro> but whe you get to understand it
[23:14] <rlameiro> you will love the power of it
[23:15] <rlameiro> qjacktl
[23:15] <rlameiro> its the gui
[23:15] <rlameiro> and you have a button saying setup
[23:15] <rlameiro> the setup you should test it
[23:15] <rlameiro> it depends on your sound card
[23:16] <rlameiro> hardware and realtime system or not
[23:16] <Scorcher> that's what I am saying.  I used it and I could not get the right settings
[23:16] <Scorcher> k
[23:16] <Scorcher> Ill try.  And ill read the doc again
[23:16] <rlameiro> are you running on realtime?
[23:17] <Scorcher> the kernal?
[23:17] <rlameiro> yeap?
[23:17] <Scorcher> no
[23:20] <rlameiro> and do you have the realtime selected on jack setup?
[23:21] <Scorcher> yes
[23:22] <Scorcher> that's my problem uh?
[23:22] <rlameiro> maybe
[23:22] <rlameiro> you need to test that things out
[23:22] <rlameiro> maybe that could be a problem
[23:22] <Scorcher> how do I get rid of clicks and pops?  Try to get latency down
[23:22] <rlameiro> i dont know i use a realtime kernel
[23:22] <rlameiro> first you need to get rid of the XRUNS
[23:23] <rlameiro> andthen tweak it to get the low latency as possible
[23:23] <rlameiro> play with the perido and buffer numbers
[23:28] <Scorcher> k
[23:41] <Scorcher> how do I see what sound card I have?


[00:01] <pleia2> Lessig talk tonight \o/
[00:03] <akgraner> You all have the best events
[00:03] <akgraner> I need to move to CA!
[00:04] <pleia2> no no, too many of us have moved here, the US is going to tip over
[00:07] <pleia2> grantbow is presenting at bay lug tomorrow on his trip to kenya, I'm excited, maybe he'll show us pictures of lions!
[00:09] <Darkwing> is grantbow going to make an appearance to scale?
[00:10] <pleia2> hope so!
[00:22] <nhaines> pleia2: if the US tips over, then California slides into the sea.
[00:26] <bkerensa> We will just hope you guys dont pull Oregon along with you
[00:40] <DonkeyHotei> http://www.osnews.com/story/25513/SOPA_Shelved_Wikipedia_Joins_Blackout_Anyway
[00:42] <philipballew> ill be going dark on my blog
[00:43] <bkerensa> me too :)
[00:43] <bkerensa> got a script ready so at midnight its automatic
[00:43] <philipballew> i have a wordpress pluggin to do it. Im considering not using the internet for 24 hours as a protest as well
[00:44] <philipballew> still working on my scale speech, its currently at 23 minutes and im wanting 35
[00:49] <philipballew> bkerensa, how does the sopa defeat affect the blackout?
[00:50] <bkerensa> I think we push on
[00:50] <bkerensa> just so that Congress knows that they do not have as much power as they think to go against the will of the masses
[00:54] <philipballew> Congress is out to always make more laws and its not the answer
[00:55] <philipballew> but i wonder if they always think they can make thngs better with laws. if they think they can block access to a website they dont understand how the internet works
[00:55] <philipballew> ever herd of a vpn congress
[01:04] <philipballew> Gareth, Am I required to have a media presentation for my speech?
[01:05] <philipballew> If so, Do I need to submit that to you guys or can i just bring my laptop with me. Id prefer that as i am more comfortable with Unity then anything else.
[01:10] <Gareth> philipballew: media presentation?
[01:10] <philipballew> power point Gareth ?
[01:11] <Gareth> philipballew: you can use your own laptop...we're going to have a green room setup, we just ask that all speakers test their laptops against the projector, make sure its working as expected :)
[01:11] <philipballew> alright, if my laptops not is there one I can use? or have someone help a noob like me?
[01:12] <Gareth> yes.  there will be a laptop you can use.
[01:12] <Gareth> and there will be people to help getting it going if it doesnt work.
[01:13] <philipballew> sweet! this helps
[01:26] <DonkeyHotei> <script type="text/javascript" src="//js.sopablackout.org/sopablackout.js"></script>
[01:26] <pleia2> doh, the Lessig talk is actually tomorrow
[01:26] <pleia2> glad I looked at my calendar :)
[01:26] <pleia2> conflicts with grantbow's talk though :(
[01:27] <pleia2> the one time I actually remember to RSVP with balug...
[01:34] <Gareth> people will talk.
[01:51] <pleia2> :)
[01:57] <Darkwing> grantbow: ping
[02:36] <Darkwing> AQre we ready for SCALE?
[02:36] <pleia2> si
[02:37]  * Darkwing cheers
[02:37] <Darkwing> I filled out the wiki with what I'm bringing.
[02:37] <pleia2> thanks, I added a bunch of little things we needed too (tape, scissors, etc)
[02:37] <pleia2> people had suggestions at our meeting last night too, so I added those
[02:38] <Darkwing> Okay cool.
[02:38] <Darkwing> Sorry, was under another deadline for this stuff yesterday so I ignored everything else yesterday
[02:46] <bkerensa> Hmm anyone see the article with Bruce Perens saying Canonical owns Ubuntu and will put business before Community.
[02:46] <bkerensa> not exactly a positive article for Ubuntu
[02:52] <pleia2> it's Bruce Perens :)
[02:53] <akk> Lots of people have written stuff like that.
[02:53] <akk> They said the same about fedora back when it was the big distro.
[02:53] <pleia2> yeah, I don't pay much attention to it until it actually starts impacting my contributions, then I talk to canonical folks directly about it
[02:54] <pleia2> for instance, the fact that ubuntu.com/news currently goes to canonical news, rather than fridge.ubuntu.com (someone will hear about that!)
[03:02] <akgraner> +1 :-)
[03:03] <bkerensa> +1
[03:03] <bkerensa> Well I know for instance last summer we had a event we wanted a booth at at Canonical was sponsoring the event
[03:03] <bkerensa> and for whatever reason apparently our request to have a booth got inappropriately shotdown
[03:04] <bkerensa> after discussing it with people at Canonical further they said that how it was handled was inappropriate and that if Canonical is sponsoring an event they should always aim to have a LoCo be there to advocate for Ubuntu
[03:05] <pleia2> they are quite reasonable when you talk to them, sometimes they do stupid stuff without realizing it
[03:05] <akgraner> normally they are really good about booths
[03:05] <bkerensa> I guess the issue is knowing who to talk to
[03:05] <pleia2> I just talk to akgraner and she tells me who to talk to :)
[03:05] <pleia2> (or dholbach, or jcastro)
[03:05] <akgraner> :-)
[03:06] <pleia2> we actually discussed this some at UDS
[03:06] <akgraner> pleia2, you wanna run with the email to IT or do you want me to open an RT ticket?
[03:06] <pleia2> akgraner: if you could do it that'd be great, I think I send them too many tickets for other things :) (ubuntu women, xubuntu..)
[03:06] <pleia2> oh no, her again!
[03:07] <akgraner> hehe - ok I'll do that now
[03:07] <akgraner> and cc the editors :-)
[03:07] <bkerensa> Well we sent the proposal to Joshua Poulson who is a local Canonical employee he is a Manager for OEM stuff
[03:07] <pleia2> there was the question of whether canonical could put some kind of contact directory online, but then we realized that core-people-wise it's not just canonical who you may want to contact within ubuntu, there are community members too, so it'll never be a comprehensive list
[03:07] <bkerensa> and he said he sent it up channel properly
[03:08] <pleia2> our strategy of just going to people we know actually works out ok, if you approach the CC with anything we'll figure out who you need to talk to
[03:08] <bkerensa> but when I discussed it later with some other people at Canonical they were a bit shocked that PuppetLabs had to pay for us to go to a Canonical sponsored event
[03:08] <bkerensa> ahh ok :)
[03:09] <pleia2> I would have brought that situation to the CC
[03:09] <akgraner> yeah I wouldn't attribute it to a conspiracy or anything :-)
[03:09] <pleia2> we smack canonical upside the head sometimes :)
[03:09] <akgraner> pleia2, is the meanest though :-)
[03:10] <pleia2> lol
[03:10] <akk> She can call in an x-wing airstrike! and wookies!
[03:11] <pleia2> and ewoks
[03:11] <akgraner> be afraid be very afraid
[03:11] <akgraner> just sayin
[03:11]  * philipballew is scared
[03:13] <bkerensa> tomorrow is going to be interesting
[03:14] <bkerensa> our application for approval is in
[03:14] <bkerensa> I have our Asst. Team Lead presenting to the LoCo Council
[03:15] <pleia2> assistant to the regional manager
[03:16] <pleia2> will you be there too?
[03:17] <bkerensa> lol
[03:17] <bkerensa> I will be there yes
[03:18] <bkerensa> But I hope to have little involvement :) kind of hoping he can handle the plate himself
[03:18] <pleia2> great
[03:18]  * pleia2 nods
[03:18] <bkerensa> per your suggestion of getting others out there
[03:18] <pleia2> just good to have multiple members at such meetings :)
[03:27] <akgraner> pleia2, RT ticket filed  - I cc'd you as well as the editors.
[03:28] <pleia2> thank yoU!
[03:29] <akgraner> you're welcome.  I don't know how long it's been like that I never checked all the links on the template before
[03:29] <akgraner> I guess I figured it since john was ok with all of them then they were fine.
[03:31] <pleia2> it used to go to fridge, that's why it was there (I checked it a while back when I was checking all the links, that's when I learned the RSS feed was still going to the old drupal site)
[03:32] <pleia2> dropped the dead drupal rss feed, kept /news
[03:32] <pleia2> so somewhere along the way someone changed it :\
[03:33] <pleia2> my poor kitty keeps trying to eat, but her mouth is sore from the tooth extraction today
[03:36] <bkerensa> :( I have a pet rat
[03:36] <bkerensa> I dont think he would like cats to much
[03:36] <akk> Rats are great pets.
[03:36] <akk> (and poor kitty, hope she feels better soon)
[03:37] <pleia2> thanks akk
[03:37] <pleia2> rats are great pets :)
[03:38] <bkerensa> yep
[03:38] <bkerensa> :D
[03:38] <bkerensa> he sleeps a lot
[05:25]  * akk wonders why I have to run /etc/cron.daily/mlocate by hand ... isn't the point of having it on cron.daily that it should run automatically?
[05:55] <Gareth> nhaines: ping
[06:01] <nhaines> Gareth: pong
[06:02] <Gareth> nhaines: so I got ralf all squared away, any word from Jorge?
[06:03] <nhaines> Gareth: That's great. I haven't heard from Jorge.  I'll email him--he's usually pretty responsive.
[06:03] <nhaines> I've had *really* spotty network access for a week now.  Looks like I got this new computer up and running finally.
[06:58] <nhaines> Gareth: ping
[06:59] <nhaines> Gareth: A coworker plans to bring his kids to SCALE on Saturday, aged 9 and 13.  Is the games event at 9 kid-friendly?
[16:00] <Gareth> nhaines: yes.
[17:16] <nhaines> Gareth: thanks!
[21:06] <danage> wow. hello everybody, this became quite a channel
[21:07] <Faqtotum> occasionally
[21:07] <Faqtotum> ltns in here
[21:07] <danage> hello Flannel, nhaines, Faqtotum
[21:07] <danage> yes, i am looking for dpm
[21:07] <Faqtotum> he was never in here
[21:07] <danage> anybody know his whereabouts? or, the irc command to find that out, for that matter
[21:07] <Faqtotum> is #acx100 dead?
[21:07] <danage> its related to that, yes
[21:08] <Faqtotum> /ns info dpm
[21:08] <Faqtotum> you can use /notify which i know you know how to do
[21:09] <danage> thanks
[21:09] <Faqtotum> any news on the matter?
[21:10] <danage> nothing i could publicly comment on, sorry
[21:10] <Faqtotum> good things come to those who wait
[21:11] <danage> do you know that in latin?
[21:11] <Faqtotum> i could google it
[21:26] <nhaines> danage: herzliche willkommen!  :D
[21:27] <danage> thank you :)
[21:27] <danage> how are you nhaines?
[21:28] <nhaines> danage: good, but bus!  I'm getting ready for Ubucon this Friday!
[21:29] <nhaines> err, busy!
[21:29] <nhaines> How are you?
[21:45] <danage> i'm well
[21:46] <danage> almost done with my dissertation, getting ready to move away from ehre
[21:46] <nhaines> Oh yeah?  Where to?


[06:38] <sorawit> The contacts application in Ubuntu gnome 17.04 has a low resolution icon. A work around is to use the old gnome-icon-theme. Will the fix be out before the final release of 17.04?
[07:24] <InventorTechie> 16.10 runs great on Thinkpad T470s that just arrived today.
[07:24] <fleetfox> <:
[07:24] <InventorTechie> Only issue I've ran into some far is Bluetooth headphones will not show up in the output options once paired.
[07:25] <InventorTechie> Anyway. Other than that. Every peripheral, sleep, charge, wifi, etc is working as expected. No modifications.
[07:27] <blackdout_> Nice
[07:31] <blackdout_> I've run into some problems with bluetooth too, I'll try to help you troubleshoot tomorrow if you're around
[14:19] <jbicha> InventorTechie: gnome-control-center/gnome-setting-daemon 3.24.1 will have a bluetooth audio fix (those versions aren't in 17.04 yet) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736943
[14:20] <jbicha> I don't know if that's your problem though
[14:50] <InventorTechie> Jbicha - That's possible. I'll look into that one. Thanks !
[19:47] <LaserAllan> Hey there, anyone know a good SIP client for Linux? that for example can handle 3CX SIP server
[19:57] <blackdout> checking compatability at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software looks like only 3CX handles 3CX, but they have a linux client
[19:57] <LaserAllan> blackdout: A linux client?
[19:57] <LaserAllan> As in a softphone?
[19:57] <blackdout> Yeah
[19:57] <LaserAllan> Can you point em to it?
[19:57] <blackdout> Oh hang on
[19:57] <blackdout> https://www.3cx.com/docs/manual/installation-linux/
[19:58] <blackdout> I just did a quick search and dont know if thats exactly what youre looking for
[19:58] <LaserAllan> That is the PBX
[19:58] <LaserAllan> I want you knwo the cleint aht i can use and call frmoa nd answer calls on and such
[19:59] <LaserAllan> blackdout: If there is one I can actually switch from Windows to Linux on my workdesktop
[20:00] <blackdout> I'll keep looking
[20:02] <jbicha> blackdout: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME ?
[20:03] <jbicha> because both the issues you mentioned on the iso tracker are in there
[20:06] <jbicha> I'll be more specific, new 17.04 installs use a swap file instead of a swap partition and the reboot/enter bug is listed as Known Bugs also affecting 16.04
[20:06] <blackdout> jbicha: Yeah man, I was just reading on the swap files
[20:07] <blackdout> I saw that the bug was on the list of "what to look out for" so I figured it was worth tagging on that it affected me too. You want me to remove since its a Known?
[20:07] <jbicha> no, it's fine to leave it there
[20:08] <jbicha> it's an important bug but I guess it's not very obvious how to fix it :(
[20:08] <blackdout> Yeah, I went down the rabbit hole on what could be causing it. It didn't effect the previous spins which is strange (10 and 11)
[20:09] <blackdout> I'm running it again as I think I found a critical error in the background on both of those machines - gonna see if I can get more info
[20:15] <jbicha> I believe I've had the problem fairly reliable in VirtualBox with amd64 but not i386
[20:17] <blackdout> Gotcha
[20:19] <blackdout> I'll ignore it from now on, still reading that bug thread you linked to...
[20:22] <LaserAllan> Ah well, i cannot seem to fin a sip client that can work with 3CX
[20:22] <LaserAllan> Damnit
[20:22] <LaserAllan> Ans her ei wa hoepign to switch from WIndows at work
[20:28] <blackdout> Only thing Ive found is possibly Zoiper?
[20:29] <blackdout> Their linux client looks built specifically for Ubunut too, so that might be a good one to try
[20:29] <LaserAllan> I have tried zoiper but the codecs are completely shit
[20:30] <LaserAllan> If you buy the paid version you get h264 codecs
[20:30] <LaserAllan> So tehres that
[20:30] <blackdout> Yeah, and at least that way your supporting someone whos building code for linux users
[20:31] <blackdout> Dunno, sorry man that's the best I found
[20:31] <LaserAllan> It seems like th default codec is GSM
[20:31] <LaserAllan> Which is realyl abd the sound quality was horrible when itreid it
[20:31] <LaserAllan> Or rather
[20:31] <LaserAllan> Really bad
[20:31] <LaserAllan> It jsut id like to test the apid version before buying it since its still 40 dolalrs i have to spedn form my own wallet to get it and test it
[20:36] <blackdout> Hah, yeah I get it. Try emailing their sales team maybe?
[20:37] <LaserAllan> blackdout: I found a threa don their forums where they calimed that Linux allready has decent clients thats there own words
[20:38] <blackdout> Oh...
[20:39] <jackpot51> Is oem-config supported on Ubuntu GNOME 17.04?
[20:39] <jackpot51> It appears to be uninstalled
[22:28] <jbicha> jackpot51: could you ask in another channel with more ubiquity developers?
[22:28] <jbicha> I've never used oem-config
[22:34] <jackpot51> It only is not present when installing Ubuntu GNOME
[22:34] <jackpot51> I will ask in ubuntu-installer


[05:37] <hanasaki> in a multi cpu / multi core..what tools are there to control what process runs on what cpu?
[09:17] <kraut> moin
[10:40] <bullgard4> How to build my ahci driver into my kernel? See http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14474/
[01:25] <zul> morning
[02:41] <Whoopie> mjg59: the uswsusp package in gutsy is missing usplash support. Do you know the reason?
[02:47] <Mithrandir> because whoever uploaded it failed to do a proper merge.
[03:08] <mjg59> Whoopie: Because whoever did the merge with the Debian package failed
[05:26] <soren> zul: gitweb suggests that you still haven't pushed this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/125512
[05:27] <zul> soren: not yet
[05:27] <soren> Any particular reason?
[05:28] <zul> nope
[05:28] <zul> patch got lost or something
[05:28] <zul> for everything or just x86?
[05:29] <soren> Everything, I guess.
[05:29] <zul> ok
[06:18] <pkern> Is SLUB in Gutsy a necessity, although it might cause problems? (Well, in fact it does, as it breaks suspend with fglrx).


[00:08] <Riddell> seele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLucidSpecs 10 seems like quite enough to be going on with
[00:09] <Riddell> a couple of those aren't scheduled because there isn't an hour to talk about but we'll still review them
[00:09] <seele> Riddell: ah, maybe that's why. i was looking at the schedule, not the spec list
[00:12] <Riddell> seele: anything paticular you think we should be getting into our lucid specs?
[00:13] <Riddell> besides "finish printer settings/applet", I do want to try for that
[00:17] <Riddell> ScottK: are you wanting to go to anything at 16:15 tomorrow?  we're thinking of bumping the kubuntu development session into that slot
[00:17] <ScottK> Looking
[00:18] <ScottK> Riddell:  I'm scheduled for the Python packaging session.  I think I need to go to that one.
[00:18] <Riddell> ScottK: hay, aren't you ment to be at the airport just now?
[00:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, flight left a little late
[00:19] <Riddell> ah, the wrong airport
[00:19] <seele> Riddell: we could probably do another combthrough for application settings and tweak if necessary
[00:20] <seele> Riddell: a bigger focus on software quality would be good too.. i'd like to see a release where we can guarantee plasma will *never* crash, instead of *almost never*
[00:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Of the Kubuntu sessions, the development one is probably the only I'm least important for.
[00:20] <seele> Riddell: i'd also like to see more discussion and work on notifications. it seems like we got half way then stopped. we have a backend and front end ui, but now we need to work on behavior and defaults
[00:21] <skreech> kpackagekit is horrible
[00:21] <seele> oh, i forgot about that
[00:21] <seele> kpackagekit could use some love too
[00:22] <ScottK> No kidding
[00:22] <seele> but printing is higher priority, it's been like 3 years
[00:22] <ScottK> seele: Love it to death.
[00:22] <seele> ScottK: not a packagekit fan?
[00:23] <Riddell> dantti_ and other work should mean we'll get debconf working with packagekit
[00:23] <skreech> a) why does it insist on a show stopping easily hidden modal dialog with a single button to tell me that it has a new list of software
[00:23] <skreech> b) why if any package has more than 3 dependencies it suggests I install synaptic
[00:23] <ScottK> seele: In this cycle I think it will get to the point where it at least almost has the minimum functionality to be suitable.  Not sure.
[00:24] <Riddell> the UI could do with a load of simplification
[00:24] <ScottK> Yep.
[00:26] <ScottK> Every time the you have updates notification pops up, I think of the Cylons from the original Battle Star Galatica.
[00:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I was wrong about arrival, i forgot the time change.  I've another 50 minutes or so.
[00:41] <seele> ScottK: are you on the plane?
[00:41] <ScottK> seele: Yes.
[00:41] <seele> whoa, inflight internets. awesome
[00:41] <ScottK> Wifi and Kubuntu Netbook.
[00:41]  * seele wishes her flight to berlin would have wifi
[00:41] <ScottK> The netbook really works out in coach class.
[00:42] <seele> i never sleep on those things anyway
[00:42] <seele> i bet.. i'm always afraid someone is going to lean back and crunch my laptop, and i have a small one
[00:42] <ScottK> The guy next to me has a full size laptop and the seat in front of him was all the way back.  He was trying to play solitare with it half open, but gave up quickly.
[00:42] <seele> lol
[00:43] <ScottK> Battery lasts the entire flight too.
[00:44] <shtylman> fancy
[00:44] <ScottK> shtylman: You there yet?
[00:45] <shtylman> yep
[00:45] <shtylman> sitting right next to Riddell
[00:45] <shtylman> got in yesterday
[00:46] <ScottK> Nice.
[00:46] <ScottK> I got the cover slide for my plenary presentation done.
[00:52] <neversfelde> Riddell: Amarok Karmic uploaded
[00:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: yay
[00:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: I should be online tomorrow all day, I'll move the packages to the backports ppa once it is released, if this is ok?
[00:56] <shtylman> ScottK: can't wait to hear it :)
[00:56] <seele> Riddell: are you coming to camp kde?
[00:56] <ScottK> Can't wait to have it done....
[00:56] <Riddell> seele: no current plans
[00:57] <seele> fuuuuuuu
[00:58] <seele> (the noise, not fu :P)
[00:58] <Riddell> feel free to try and persuade me
[00:59] <ScottK> San Diego is a very nice place.
[00:59] <ScottK> Very relaxed with a pleasant climate.
[00:59] <ScottK> Lots of great food.
[01:00] <ScottK> IETF meets there sometims, so the Internet is likely usable
[01:00] <seele> lol
[01:03] <Riddell> rgreening: shtylman went to stalk you but couldn't find you
[01:03] <ScottK> He should be easy enough to find....
[01:05] <Riddell> Lex79: kdeaccessibility uploaded, I removed the arm patch from NCommander because there's another fix which went upstream
[01:06] <ScottK> OK.  Time to land.  I'll see you in a bit (hopefully)
[01:06] <Riddell> good luck, don't crash
[01:08] <ScottK> OK.
[01:08] <rgreening> Riddell, shtylman__: im in a meeting 4th fl. crew...
[01:14] <rgreening_> actually, isnt shtylman__ supposed to be here video crew....
[01:15] <Lex79> Riddell: ok
[01:15] <Riddell> rgreening_: he says he's not
[01:17] <Riddell> rgreening_: do they need more crew?
[01:29]  * ryanakca casually mentions that his dad is enjoying his Kubuntu desktop much more now than when it was Ubuntu :)
[01:30] <jjesse> ryanakca nice job :)
[01:30] <ryanakca> jjesse: I'm getting my mum setup tomorrow :D
[01:30] <jjesse> yay
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/319668/
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> ripped from debian's ktorrent package :P
[01:40] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Thanks... looks so much uglier than CDBS though :) ... just a sec, one more
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> personally I'm looking more towards source format 3.0 than the dh7 stuff, since we pretty much already had uber-simple stuff with cdbs
[01:41] <ryanakca> dh7's equivalent to DEB_COMPRESS_EXCLUDE := .py
[01:41] <seele> argh.. crashed again
[01:41] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: *nod*, I like CDBS
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> hum, dunno on that last one
[01:42] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: OK, thanks
[01:45] <agateau> shtylman__: you may not want to wait for us, i believe we are having dinner in this meeting :/
[02:04] <shtylman_> Riddell: ping
[02:06] <neversfelde> yay knotify works with amarok
[03:59]  * logipunk was previously jwisser.
[04:00] <skreech> Good to know
[04:00]  * JontheEchidna ...obtains... the new Doctor Who special
[04:01] <logipunk> JontheEchidna: It's *so good*.
[04:01] <logipunk> I just watched it a bit ago.
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> Can't wait :3
[04:01] <logipunk> I also just downloaded K-9: Regeneration.
[04:01] <logipunk> I kind of don't want to watch it because I suspect it's going to be heinously bad.
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> "Star Wars Christmas Special"-type bad?
[04:42] <logipunk> JontheEchidna: Never seen it, so I can't say. Just watched K-9, though; it was fairly painful.
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> heh
[04:43] <logipunk> The acting is… not great.
[06:23] <ScottK> Riddell: The session at 1615 that I wanted to go to got moved, so I'm free.
[06:23] <ScottK> (for tomorrow)
[06:23] <ScottK> (or I guess later today now)
[07:15] <markey> morning
[12:09] <doc___> hi there
[12:10] <amichair> what's up, doc___?
[12:12] <nixternal> hehe, you couldn't resist could you? :)
[12:12] <amichair> :-P
[12:12] <doc___> ;P
[13:40] <ryanakca> ScottK: Upstream says they are hoping to release Bangarang 1.0~beta2 this week.
[14:11] <ghostcube> wohoa http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/
[14:48]  * yuriy waves at UDSers
[14:52] <ghostcube> http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1
[14:52] <ghostcube> :O
[14:52] <ghostcube> this one is cool
[14:57] <Riddell> morning yuriy
[14:58] <yuriy> morning Riddell
[14:58] <yuriy> first session @11 CST?
[15:04] <Riddell> 11:00 in whatever timezone dallas is in
[15:04]  * ryanakca thinks so
[15:05]  * ryanakca doesn't have school today, so I'll be waiting in -waverly :)
[15:05] <nixternal> dallas is -06:00, Chicago Standard Time (CST)
[15:10] <txwikinger> hi nixternal
[15:10] <Tm_T> nixternal: howdy
[15:10] <nixternal> howdy
[15:11] <jrdnyquist> Chicago Standard Time? :)
[15:11] <yuriy> lol nixternal
[15:11] <nixternal> mmm, tamales on the planet...now I wish I were there in Dallas...though I would probably be at all of the food places and not at UDS :)
[15:11] <nixternal> yes, everything in the US revolves around Chicago...one of these days everyone will understand
[15:11] <jrdnyquist> lol
[15:11] <nixternal> I keep wondering when UDS will be held in a real city!
[15:12] <Tm_T> not in countryside like Dallas?
[15:12] <nixternal> we have Google, Yahoo, Microsoft (their 2nd largest campus too), Red Hat, Novell, and the most open source companies in one location!
[15:12] <nixternal> Dallas is good for food!
[15:12] <nixternal> now if it were in Austin that would be a different story
[15:12] <nixternal> Austin is the 2nd greatest city, next to Chicago of course :p
[15:12] <jrdnyquist> Redhat's in RTP :p
[15:13] <nixternal> they have some groovy office space here in Chicago too...I interviewed with them last year
[15:15] <ghostcube> Chicago still as dirty as last time i seen pics of it ?
[15:15] <ghostcube> :D
[15:15] <ghostcube> oh no this was detroit
[15:15] <ghostcube> nm
[15:16] <ghostcube> :<
[15:23] <ryanakca> Oh, UNR might get renamed to UNE? I wonder if it has anything to do with us choosing KNE instead of KNR :)
[15:32] <ScottK> ryanakca: No, actually we're going to have to rename KNR.  I got in a little trouble over that choice.
[15:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: ... but KNE sounds so much cooler than KNR :/ *sigh*
[15:33] <ScottK> I agree.
[15:34] <ScottK> OTOH, the trademark policy very clearly says avoid the term 'edition', so it's my bad
[15:34] <frederik_> j #ubuntu
[15:34] <frederik_> oops
[15:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: Ah, but if Ubuntu gets an UNE, why won't Canonical let us have KNE? Any rationale behind it, or is it just a decision taken by the powers that be that we're expected to follow?
[15:36] <ScottK> I think it's possible, but we'd have to get to where Canonical was willing to support it as a product.
[15:36] <ScottK> So we need to prove ourselves first.
[15:36] <ScottK> That's what we want anyway.
[15:36] <ryanakca> Ah
[15:37]  * ryanakca is considering purchasing himself a netbook so he can run KNR, just have to pick on :)
[15:37] <ryanakca> one even
[15:39] <ScottK> It works out quite nice on an airplane where it actually fits on the tray and is usable.  I sat next to I guy who was totally crushed with his huge laptop and could use it.
[15:40]  * ryanakca nods
[15:42] <ryanakca> I have good eyesight and small fingers, so the size won't be an issue either. Only thing I'm concerned about is purchasing one and then 1) have it run sluggishly or 2) if it has a solid state drive, I don't want to have it die on me in a couple of years.
[15:56] <sebas> ryanakca: in a couple of years, replacement SSDs  are cheap :)
[15:57] <\sh> sebas, in a couple of years time, we can use our brain as direct attached storage ;)
[15:58] <sebas> we need a really good bad block checker then :)
[15:59] <\sh> sebas, for twitter and facebook and google? no...we just need to update the APIs ;) actually we don't need any computer at all ;)
[15:59] <DeeTah> hi guys!
[15:59] <DeeTah> i've got a problem with kubuntu-netbook install off a pendrive
[15:59] <DeeTah> it simply says it can't mount /cow using /dev/loop1.
[15:59] <DeeTah> I don't even know what to try to check what's the problem
[16:00] <DeeTah> md5's are fine, dmesg's clear, casper.log suggests a syntax error behaviour
[16:00] <DeeTah> what file should I try to mount there to see what's wrong?
[16:02] <DeeTah> anybody? please...
[16:10] <frederik_> updating kernel from 2.6.31-14 to 15 breaks my intel 82945 driver - x claims it cannot load the module
[16:12] <tsimpson> we don't handle kernel or X issues here, try filing a bug or searching for a previously filed bug
[17:22] <neversfelde> apachelogger: http://kubdeb.weebly.com/
[17:22] <neversfelde> I am not sure, if I really want to talk to him ;)
[17:23] <nixternal> neversfelde: what is that about?
[17:24] <neversfelde> nixternal: the guy was creating packages for kubuntu and apachelogger asked me to invite him here
[17:25] <nixternal> that looks like ScottK's middle finger...all old and decreped like
[17:58] <nixternal> where are the kubuntu peeps going next?
[17:58] <nixternal> there are 2 open rooms according to the schedule
[18:11]  * ScottK is in a security session
[18:11] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's the status of amarok packaging?
[18:12] <neversfelde> Riddell: all done, it waits in staging for the release
[18:12] <Riddell> neversfelde: do we know what that is?
[18:13] <Riddell> s/what/when/
[18:13] <neversfelde> Riddell: should be in the next hours
[18:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: do you want to prepare the story for the website? I don't remember if you have access
[18:14] <neversfelde> Riddell: no access, but I can do this
[18:14] <neversfelde> if I get access of course :)
[18:15] <ryanakca> worse comes to worse, I can paste it in
[18:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: I just gave him access
[18:17] <ryanakca> lovely :)
[18:18]  * yuriy should get some headphones and listen in
[18:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do you know if Ofir has returned with any new mockups? If we choose his mockup, I'd like to start porting it to the wiki some time. As for the drupal theme, it's already done, he took screenshots of his drupal install for the mockups :)
[18:20] <Riddell> I've not heard from ofir
[18:23] <Riddell> neversfelde: cor, this new amarok has UI changes
[18:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, and they are untranslated
[18:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: we use the backports ppa right?
[18:24] <Riddell> that presumably makes it not a bugfix release, so it should go into kubuntu-ppa/backports not kubuntu-ppa/updates
[18:24] <neversfelde> ok
[18:24] <Riddell> neversfelde: were there any pacakging changes needed between lucid and karmic?  (i.e. can it go into ubuntu karmic-backports?)
[18:25] <neversfelde> Riddell: no changes needed, I can write a backport request?
[18:25] <Riddell> neversfelde: please do
[18:43] <Riddell> the countdown label on the new amarok is strange
[18:43] <Riddell> count up label is 1:48 for minutes:seconds
[18:43] <Tm_T> -3 days left?
[18:43] <Riddell> count down says --1:0-58
[18:43] <Riddell> I've no idea what that means
[18:43] <Tm_T> oh, that way strange
[18:47] <nixternal> the Doctor?
[18:48] <Riddell> Who?
[18:48] <nixternal> "The Doctor thinks that Kubuntu is awesome"
[18:49] <Riddell> he does indeed
[18:49] <Tm_T> (:
[18:50] <Riddell> jussi01: I've taken plasma-widget-networkmanagement out of kubuntu-ppa/updates for now
[18:50] <jussi01> Riddell: excellent.
[18:50] <jussi01> btw, wheres lunch?
[18:51] <Tm_T> jussi01: hi, got to the place eventually?
[18:51] <jussi01> yup
[18:51] <Tm_T> good, nasty mess that strike indeed
[18:51] <Riddell> strike?  did you go through france? :)
[18:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: nope, "the finnish airline" Finnair has pilots on (in) strike
[18:52] <Tm_T> which one is it, on or in?
[18:52] <Riddell> one goes on strike
[18:53] <Tm_T> so I thought but wasn't sure
[18:53] <Tm_T> thanks (:
[18:53] <loadus> (if one gets 300 000 € per year, one does not go on strike :P )
[18:53] <bdgraue> Riddell: why did you remove the plasma-widget-networkmanagement? a special problem?
[18:54] <Riddell> bdgraue: both me and jussi01 are seeing it failing to set the default route to the internet
[18:55] <bdgraue> Riddell: ha, had the same problem here and just wanted to find out whats wrong with it :D
[18:55] <Riddell> jussi01: I'm guessing lunch is the same place as breakfast
[18:55] <Riddell> bdgraue: using the version from kubuntu-ppa/updates ?
[18:56] <bdgraue> Riddell: i used the version from kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:57] <bdgraue> had to remove it and install the "normal" kubuntu version to get internet with wifi
[18:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm so glad networkmanager bits are and will be better in 4.4, less headache from it (I hope)
[19:00] <Riddell> bdgraue, jussi01: upstream confirmed the issue, I'll package the fix when I get a chance
[19:00] <bdgraue> Riddell: thanks
[19:05] <ulysses__> greetings, I read about testdrive, is it possible to test Kubuntu Lucid with it?
[19:17] <jussi01> Riddell: excellent. :)
[19:22] <Quintasan> hmm, there are so many rooms, how do I know what's in each room?
[19:23] <tsimpson> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/
[19:23] <Quintasan> thanks
[19:28] <ghostcube> ehlo humans and wanna be humans
[19:28] <Quintasan> ghostcube: \o
[19:28] <ghostcube> hi Quintasan :)
[19:43] <Riddell> ScottK: I've not moved the development spec session, I'm (apparantly) needed at 16:15 and you at 17:10 and I think we're fine if txwikinger goes to the bugs one
[20:02] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu karmic does not connect to a wireless Internet network propertly if a WPA key is used, connection is stablished, but any website can be browsed, it isn't a DNS matter, bacause also cannot browse by ip
[20:06] <Riddell> EagleScreen: pastebin  route -n
[20:19] <ryanakca> ScottK: I've finished the commit announcing plugin for LP branches for kubugtu... What branches should be watched?
[20:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: anything owned by ~kubuntu-members?
[20:21] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[20:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ouch, checking all ninety of them every five minutes will use up 18GB of bandwidth / month.
[20:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[20:26] <yuriy> how are the sessions coming along? anything exciting?
[20:27] <Riddell> we're going to switch to lxde and chromium
[20:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: finally
[20:31] <nixternal> chromium ftw!
[20:31]  * JontheEchidna wouldn't mind chromium, if it was feasible to do so
[20:31] <nixternal> lxde I don't know about...I would prefer wmii or awesome
[20:31] <nixternal> awesome cuz haskell rocks!
[20:32] <smarter> nixternal: don't you mean xmonad?
[20:32] <Tm_T> nixternal: wmii or awesome aren't desktop environments?
[20:32] <smarter> awesome is written in C(iirc), and uses lua for config files
[20:32] <nixternal> err, ya xmonad
[20:32] <nixternal> can't believe I keep saying awesome when I mean xmonad
[20:32] <nixternal> wonder why I keep doing that today?
[20:32] <smarter> but I agree with the second part of your statement, Haskell rocks :P
[20:33] <smarter> I imagine you associate haskell with awesomeness in your brain ;)
[20:33] <nixternal> could be :)
[20:33] <EagleScreen> Riddell: this is my current route -n when connected by WEP key http://pastebin.ca/1673918
[20:34] <EagleScreen> I supose you expect also the route -n when connected by WPA and not capable to browse
[20:34] <EagleScreen> i will provide in a few minutes
[20:34] <EagleScreen> see you again soon
[20:41] <Quintasan> There are some videotaped sessions, where I can watch em?
[20:46] <loadus> I made a small theme suggestion for 10.04, where and to who I could suggest it to? :)
[20:48] <nixternal> loadus<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- include links to plenty of screenshots of course so we can see :)
[20:49] <loadus> I did a thread on the kubuntu forums, mainly, because the whole thing is soooo beta - just brainstorming on the idea
[20:49] <ghostcube> http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg
[20:49] <ghostcube> o.o
[20:49] <nixternal> any pics yet?
[20:50] <nixternal> ghostcube: I used that config for my triple head setup
[20:50] <loadus> nixternal: it might look a bit boring: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3107841.0
[20:50] <ghostcube> o.o
[20:53] <nixternal> that theme reminds me of fedora a lil...not a bad thing of course
[20:53] <nixternal> don't know how much we want to stray from a vanilla kde look though...
[20:53] <Kairi> hello Riddell, I was EagleScreen before, here is the route -n when connection fails: http://pastebin.ca/1673941
[20:53] <loadus> nixternal: yeh, I had a feeling
[20:54] <nixternal> it definitely has a professional look/feel to it I must say
[20:54] <loadus>  but v10 gives excuse to give kubuntu a unique look
[20:54] <Riddell> Kairi: apt-cache policy plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:54] <loadus> thx, still working on it
[20:55] <refic> loadus: very nice theme
[20:55] <loadus> font being the most prominent problem atm
[20:55] <loadus> thx
[20:56] <nixternal> ya, I like that font to be honest...need a free version of something that looks like it
[20:56] <Kairi> I am using KDE 4.3.3 ppa packages, I didn't remember, so: http://pastebin.ca/1673950  can that be the source of this issue?
[20:57] <loadus> nixternal: found one, but to look that smooth, font settings need to have antialias on full - and that's not a good option on some installs : /
[20:57] <loadus>  might have to go on with the trusty ol' sans
[20:57] <nixternal> ya, i don't use antialiasing..give me a head ache
[20:58] <loadus> yeh, that font has it's 'hints' removed so it gives a full AA
[20:59] <loadus> but with hinting it looks goofy
[20:59] <loadus> and without hinting and without antialiasing it looks .. well .. horror
[20:59] <Kairi> did you see the paste, Riddell? :)
[21:00] <Riddell> Kairi: yes that looks like the problem I think it is
[21:01] <Kairi> then must I test with karmic original package, Riddell?
[21:05] <Riddell> Kairi: I uploaded a fix an hour ago
[21:05] <Riddell> Kairi: so please wait until that's compiled and test that
[21:06] <Riddell> it'll be in the kubuntu-ppa/staging PPA
[21:06] <Kairi> okay, i also will test wicd in curiosity
[22:01] <nixternal> Riddell: ooh, I see you are doing VPN out of the box, good deal...that will make many happy if we had that (knetworkmangler to the rescue!)
[22:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug #483851
[22:02] <nixternal> another project I can request to be closed and removed from LP
[22:03] <Mr_Enchilada> what'd I miss on the most previous meeting?
[22:03] <Mr_Enchilada> besides enchiladas ;-)
[22:05] <Riddell> Mr_Enchilada: look at the gobby document for the notes
[22:05] <Mr_Enchilada> mm, now I'll have to figure out how to use that
[22:05] <nixternal> ScottK: how old is your oldest?
[22:05] <Riddell> or wait until I write it up as a spec
[22:05] <nixternal> I am thinkin' I should quit with the gezer jokes as I think she is only a couple of years older than my daughter :)
[22:06] <Riddell> nixternal has a daughter?
[22:08] <bdgraue> Riddell: is 0.9~svn1040607-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 the new package(plasma-widget-networkmanagement)?
[22:09] <Riddell> bdgraue: yes
[22:09] <bdgraue> Riddell: doesn't work for me :(
[22:09] <ryanakca> If I setup an infinoted server, could some of the Kubuntu people at UDS test Kobby during a session? Or even test it outside of a session?
[22:10] <bdgraue> same problem
[22:10] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, a 13 year old daughter :)
[22:10] <nixternal> a nixternal jr. which is a bit scary
[22:10] <Tm_T> older than me then
[22:11] <Riddell> nixternal: no whay, how did I not know that, congratulations
[22:11] <Tm_T> ...what, I wasn't 11 anymore?
[22:11] <nixternal> hahahha, you are 13 years to late on that one :p
[22:11] <Tm_T> nixternal: my daughter just had her first birthday (:
[22:11] <nixternal> ahh, I remember the first birthday
[22:11] <nixternal> ok, I really don't, but it sounded good
[22:11] <bdgraue> *lol*
[22:11] <JontheEnchilada> anybody up for sponsoring a merge? bug 482221
[22:11] <nixternal> shoot, now I am trying to remember it
[22:12] <nixternal> anywho, my old arse needs a nap :)
[22:12] <bdgraue> my son is 5 years old, can't remember his first birthday
[22:12] <JontheEnchilada> merge/ new upstream release. Maybe I should have billed it as the latter
[22:13] <amichair> just when I was reading about echidnas and how they're egg-laying mammals, jon turns into an enchilada and everyone else has offspring :-)
[22:18] <ScottK> nixternal: 18.  It was the 15 year old I was getting feedback from.
[22:19]  * ScottK also has a 6 year old.
[22:19]  * Sput can't remember his first birthday
[22:20] <Sput> I was probably drunk
[22:20] <Sput> or stoned, that's much more likely giving the circumstances :>
[22:20] <Sput> *given
[22:20] <amichair> Sput: you were stoned on your first birthday?!
[22:21] <Sput> well, I didn't have my own room, so I slept in the living room...
[22:21] <Sput> as a baby :)
[22:21] <Riddell> "Bag Tag Number(s): DFW BA 610604 has been located and arrived on Nov 16. If you have arranged for delivery, please continue to check back for delivery status"  ooh progress
[22:22] <Sput> ah, British Airways?
[22:22] <maco> Riddell: no clothes? do you wanna go to the mall with me tonight?
[22:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: hooray (:
[22:23] <jussi01> Riddell: :D
[22:24] <jussi01> Riddell: where are you currently?
[22:24] <Riddell> jussi01: waverly doing nothing much
[22:25] <jussi01> ahh. k :)
[22:25] <Riddell> maco: I am getting smelly.  what's happening at the mall?
[22:25] <Riddell> jussi01: anything interesting happening elsewhere?
[22:25] <maco> Riddell: well youve a lack of clothing if youve a lack of luggage. perhaps you want to buy clean clothes to wear til you get luggage
[22:26] <Riddell> maco: yes that would be nice, do you know how to get there?
[22:26] <jussi01> Riddell: marketing session isnt bad, in presidente.
[22:26] <maco> Riddell: redline on the dart (underground)
[22:26] <Riddell> maco: there's an underground here?
[22:26] <maco> Riddell: yes
[22:46] <Riddell> rdieter_work: fedora uses polkit 1 but polkit-qt-0.9?  how does that work?
[22:47] <Riddell> shtylman__: did you find a slot for your session?
[22:58] <lukas> Hi, after upgrading to Karmic I have impression that at least some kubuntu applications like konversation and some others suffer from mutex lock related performance problems - it takes some time form execution and window appearance to working state. Is that observed?
[22:59] <lukas> I am not sure how to debug that or trigger somehow to say what is happening.
[23:00] <lukas> Or am I on wrong channel?
[23:05] <Riddell> lukas: lll
[23:05] <lukas> Riddell: sorry?
[23:06] <nixternal> bah for a nap
[23:07] <nixternal> yay, I can synch my bookmarks in chromium now \o/
[23:07] <Riddell> lukas: so the window appears but isn't responsive for a while?
[23:07] <lukas> Riddell: yes, on more applications
[23:07] <lukas> Riddell: eg konversaion, glade ...
[23:10] <lukas> Riddell: I thought that it is caused by pulseaudio, but I do not see why glade should contact sound server
[23:12] <lukas> Riddell: any idea?
[23:12] <Riddell> could be X?
[23:13] <Riddell> something to do with compositing that it delays showing the window contents?
[23:13] <Riddell> I really don't konw
[23:13] <lukas> Riddell: I would not say so, I tried to strace it and usual reason is fulex lock
[23:13] <lukas> Riddell: it is only on start, on switching
[23:13] <lukas> sorry, not on switching window
[23:14] <lukas> oh, futex lock
[23:14] <lukas> like if locking was for any reason slow
[23:15] <neversfelde> I published the Amarok News on kubuntu.org. Hope all went fine
[23:16] <Blizzz> neversfelde: at least my upgrade finished successfully right now
[23:17] <neversfelde> Blizzz: I love Drupal, you should know this. So I was afraid that I shoot the whole website :D
[23:18] <Blizzz> i don't really understand where (well, rather why) you got your phobia
[23:35] <nixternal> ok, who is slipping on getting out the latest kdevelop?
[23:35] <nixternal> is it in a ppa somewhere?
[23:42] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't think anyone has done kdevelop yet, it does need doing
[23:49] <nixternal> roger that
[23:51] <nixternal> Riddell: is this for a ppa or for -proposed?
[23:55] <nixternal> would be nice if kdevplatform and kdevelop showed up in merges :/
[23:58] <nixternal> hrmm, seems it is already in lucid


[02:13] <mozmck> What is the difference between the source from ubuntu-karmic.git and that obtained with apt-get source linux-image* ?
[02:20] <ikepanhc> mozmck: ubuntu-karmic.git is the version control tree of karmic kernel, and what you get from apt-get source is the source code of a signle version
[02:21] <mozmck> I see, so the git will have changes now that haven't gotten into the last released version.
[02:22] <ikepanhc> mozmck: yes
[02:22] <mozmck> thanks.
[02:33] <RAOF> I've sent a couple of messages to the kernel-team@ mailing list about the current state of nouveau & what we can do to incorporate it in Lucid, but they seem to by falling into a black hole, and I'm uncertain about how to respond to this.
[02:34] <RAOF> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-December/008095.html is an example.  Has the kernel team come to a consensus as to what to do about nouveau, and so my investigations are useless noise?
[02:35] <RAOF> Or is everyone taken up with other tasks, and no-one's specifically in charge of nouveau so it's just going unremarked?
[03:15] <mozmck> how do I change the kernel configuration using the git tree?  can I just run make xconfig?
[03:19] <dtchen> RAOF: priorities, etc.
[03:20] <RAOF> mozmck: Depends on what, precisely, you're trying to do.  There are targets for changing the config in debian/rules, and that'll hook in with the various foo-{generic,server,virtual,etc} flavours.
[03:21] <mozmck> hmm, I'm adding a patch for rtai and I need to enable some new options it will add and change some others.
[03:22] <mozmck> trying to make a basically generic kernel otherwise.
[03:23] <RAOF> If you want to make packages out of it, use the debian/rules targets.
[03:23] <RAOF> If you just want to build from the same tree, go wild!
[03:26] <mozmck> I want to make packages.  so will the debian/rules targets see the new options and put them in?  I'm used to using make menuconfig or xconfig
[03:28] <RAOF> mozmck: Check out debian.master/rules.d/2-maintainer.mk; that defines targets like "updateconfig" and "docrazystuffwithconfig".  They'll run a configuration interface & then merge the results back into the flavour system.
[03:28] <mozmck> ok, thanks!
[06:43] <Vamp898> Hi, with 2.6.32 my Wirelss Card RT2860 does not work anymore http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14750 is there a chance to use an older kernel until its fixed?
[06:43] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 14750 in Staging "rt2860 does not work anymore in 2.6.32" [High,New]
[06:48] <ikepanhc> Vamp898: as I know, rt2860 driver is still in staging, do you enable it?
[06:50] <Vamp898> for sure^^ there wireless card is detected too
[06:50] <Vamp898> its just unable to connect
[06:50] <Vamp898> the same happend with RT2870 after they renamed it from ra0 to wlan0 and now the same with RT2860
[06:51] <Vamp898> http://pastebin.com/d4f1a1634
[06:56] <Vamp898> with kernel 2.6.32 the RT2870 problem was fixed
[06:56] <Vamp898> but now 2860 does not work anymore and i dont want to wait until 2.6.33 without any internet
[17:05] <Sarvatt> hmm,  /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp started reporting as 47000 instead of 47 somewhere in the past few kernel releases, kind of scared to adjust acerhdf fanon and fanoff values to work with that because whenever its fixed my fan wont come on anymore
[17:06] <Sarvatt> or does anyone know if that change was intentional?
[17:09] <Keybuk> I would imagine so
[17:09] <Keybuk> temp
[17:09] <Keybuk>         Current temperature as reported by thermal zone (sensor).
[17:09] <Keybuk>         Unit: millidegree Celsius
[17:09] <Keybuk>         RO, Required
[17:09] <Keybuk> it's certainly documented as being in thousandths of a degree
[17:11] <mjg59> Sarvatt: Yes. It was a bug that acerhdf reported in degrees.
[17:11] <Sarvatt> ah thanks, indeed i found the acerhdf commit that made it milidegrees, was worried it would possibly change back to degrees but it looks like its safe to adjust the module parameters
[17:11] <Keybuk> commit 7129b126cc64f530d793bd56eb1709a06ec65a2d
[17:11] <Keybuk> Author: David Fries<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:11] <Keybuk> Date:   Wed Feb 6 01:38:09 2008 -0800
[17:11] <Keybuk>     W1: w1_therm.c standardize units to millidegrees C
[17:12] <Keybuk> commit 5e012760dfd5ec24c41b9eab9e654a88360bb026
[17:12] <Keybuk> Author: Zhang, Rui<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:12] <Keybuk> Date:   Thu Feb 28 07:51:30 2008 +0800
[17:12] <Keybuk>     ACPI: thermal: show temperature in millidegree Celsius
[17:12] <Keybuk> etc.
[17:14] <Sarvatt> sorry for the noise and thanks for the help, i should have looked harder :D
[17:16] <Sarvatt> i just have to be careful booting a .31 kernel in that case
[17:55] <Laibsch> How does the Kernel team apply patches?  Patch the source and let it go to diff.gz or does it use a patch system?
[17:56] <Laibsch> Looking at the unpacked source, it seems to be the former
[17:56] <Laibsch> But the kernel package is complicated and I'd like to verify
[17:57] <rtg> Laibsch, start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance
[17:57] <Laibsch> I was reading that (and lots of other wiki pages)
[17:57] <Laibsch> yet, I still don't know
[17:57] <Laibsch> it's a simple question
[17:57] <Laibsch> (or isn't it)
[17:57] <Laibsch> (or isn't it?)
[17:58] <rtg> Laibsch, its not, which is why there are multiple wiki pages on the topic
[17:58] <Laibsch> OK
[17:58] <Laibsch> It's about bug 444801
[17:58] <ubot3`> Malone bug 444801 in linux "prism 2.5 broke in 2.6.30.x (fixed upstream in 2.6.32)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444801
[17:58] <Laibsch> which I reported
[17:59] <Laibsch> I did not have wifi for a while so could not test the fix that has already landed upstream
[17:59] <Laibsch> I want to test now and ultimately get the fix into karmic
[17:59] <Laibsch> lucid kernel seems to already have it
[17:59] <Laibsch> what do you suggest I do?
[18:00] <rtg> Laibsch, run the lucid kernel with karmic userspace
[18:00] <Laibsch> then I have the fix, nice
[18:00] <rtg> Laibsch, alternately, install linux-backports-modules-karmic-generic
[18:00] <Laibsch> But I'd like to get the fix into karmic for everyone's benefit, too
[18:00] <rtg> which is 2.6.32 based
[18:01] <Laibsch> rtg: thanks for helping me
[18:01] <Laibsch> I'm not looking for support
[18:01] <Laibsch> but for a way to properly backport the fix
[18:01] <Laibsch> for everybody
[18:01] <rtg> Laibsch, understood, but LBM _is_ the fix, not the main kernel.
[18:01] <Laibsch> I see
[18:02] <Laibsch> Maybe it should be installed by default, then?
[18:02] <rtg> Laibsch, nope, LBM is, and will remain, an elective install.
[19:00] <Laibsch> rtg: unfortunately, LBM does not fix the issue, it makes my wifi card completely dysfunctional!  I have to concede, though, that the card won't work with today's mainline kernel, either :-(
[19:01] <rtg> Laibsch, hmm, I thought you said it had been fixed upstream?
[19:01] <Laibsch> there was a patch committed
[19:01] <Laibsch> And indeed, I verified the patch works
[19:01] <Laibsch> -> see discussion in the bug
[19:01] <Laibsch> But it seems there is some other regression
[19:01] <rtg> Laibsch, commited after2.6.32?
[19:02] <Laibsch> not sure when it happened
[19:02] <Laibsch> the patch to fix the original issue made it into 2.6.32, I believe
[19:02] <Laibsch> bug 444801
[19:02] <ubot3`> Malone bug 444801 in linux "prism 2.5 broke in 2.6.30.x (fixed upstream in 2.6.32)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444801
[19:03] <Laibsch> I'm currently recompiling the lucid kernel for karmic
[19:04] <Laibsch> I'll see if the lucid kernel has the problem (I suspect it does)
[19:04] <Laibsch> I'll open a new ticket, then
[19:05] <rtg> Laibsch, why not just install the deb? you don't need to rebuild it
[19:05] <Laibsch> I don't?
[19:05] <Laibsch> I wasn't sure
[19:05] <rtg> Laibsch, no, just use dpkg.
[19:05] <Laibsch> I usually always recompile binary packages
[19:05] <Laibsch> OK
[19:05] <Laibsch> Thanks
[19:07] <rtg> Laibsch, the patch in the bug report went in as of 2.6.32-rc1, so Lucid ought to be right. I'm surprised LBM didn't fix it also.
[19:07] <Laibsch> I suspect a separate regression
[19:13] <Laibsch> brb
[20:00] <Laibsch1> rtg: lucid kernel works and is free of the original problem as well
[20:02] <rtg> Laibsch1, cool, glad you're back in business
[20:02] <Laibsch1> I guess outlook is gloomy, though
[20:02] <Laibsch1> I'm glad I caught the error early
[20:02] <Laibsch1> I guess it's time for another kernel bug report upstream
[20:32] <yoasif> hey guys
[20:32] <yoasif> quick question
[20:32] <yoasif> im running lucid and id like to report a bug with my webcam
[20:32] <yoasif> apport recommends that i try with a mainline kernel
[20:32] <yoasif> should i download the rc8 version on the mainline server or the plain 2.6.32?
[20:33] <rtg> yoasif, use the plain 2.6.32 since its the official. <IP_ADDRESS> should also be there.
[20:34] <yoasif> rtg, so just grab the kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32/ (along with the headers and etc?)
[20:35] <rtg> yoasif, you shouldn't need the headers unless you have a DKMS dependency (like nVidia)
[20:35] <yoasif> yeah, i do have nvidia -- do i need to get the sources too, or no -- it's a large file
[20:35] <rtg> just the headers
[20:35] <yoasif> sounds good, thanks rtg


[00:00] <ikonia> hello Eric_xtc
[00:00] <Eric_xtc> Um okay so why did I get banned exactly
[00:01] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: how many times did I explain to you the topic of the #ubuntu channel ?
[00:03] <Eric_xtc> none
[00:04] <ikonia> 23:34 < ikonia> Eric_xtc: the topic of this channel is ubuntu support
[00:05] <Eric_xtc> okay then send me the channels that you seem to think I would get my answers then
[00:06] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: I'm sorry - we are not a yellow pages, you where removed for being a constant disruption to the channel, and you appear to know what you are doing, this is further backed up by you asking 2 other users in pm to ask why you where banned and how you could get back in
[00:06] <Eric_xtc> Dude I
[00:07] <ikonia> your use of caps and your request for girls in the channel was the final disruption to the channel, so you where removed
[00:07] <Eric_xtc> Dude I'm new to this I didn't get a manual of the rules
[00:07] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: then please read the following links and leave the channel until you understand the rules and guidelines
[00:07] <Eric_xtc> Thank you. Now I understand
[00:07] <ikonia> !coc | Eric_xtc
[00:07] <ikonia> !guidelines | Eric_xtc
[00:07] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: please leave #ubuntu until you have read those links
[00:08] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: do you understand ?
[00:08] <Eric_xtc> Now I do thanks
[00:09] <MenZa> :s
[00:10] <ikonia> for the record I think he is telling lies as he knew all the buttons to press to annoy the channel and he knew to pm other people to ask about his ban (he knew he'd been kicked) and how to get around it - that's not information someone who is new to irc would know
[00:10] <ikonia> I had 2 other users confirm that he was pm'ing them to get find out about his ban/get it removed
[00:11] <ikonia> (he wasn't banned)
[00:11] <MenZa> ikonia: depending on his client, he could've just double-clicked their names and typed away
[00:11] <MenZa> in any case, let's just watch him for now
[00:11] <ikonia> quite possibly
[00:11] <ikonia> I'm going to bed
[00:11] <MenZa> I noticed.
[00:11] <MenZa> I'll be up for a bit yet
[00:11]  * MenZa will keep eyes open.
[00:12] <MenZa> ikonia: go to bed! I'll keep my eyes open ;)
[00:12] <MenZa> ikonia: Long night for you.
[00:13] <Eric_xtc> Dude whats wrong with you I did read them!
[00:13] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: I've now banned you from the #ubuntu channel
[00:13] <Eric_xtc> Hey I read the rules.
[00:13] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: I asked you to leave the channel until you had read the rules - you rejoined and have not read the rules
[00:13] <Eric_xtc> I just said I did.
[00:13] <ikonia> no - you said "sort of"
[00:13] <ikonia> you have either read the rules or you have not
[00:14] <Eric_xtc> Yea sort of as in I was reading and typing. I was multitasking
[00:14] <ikonia> then you have not read the rules
[00:14] <ikonia> therefore you should not be in the channel
[00:14] <ikonia> please take 24 hours to sit and digest the rules as I don't think you are giving them the attention they need for your participation in #ubuntu
[00:15] <Eric_xtc> What?! I said I did! ugh send me the links again.
[00:15] <ikonia> you have the links
[00:15] <ikonia> if you where reading them and typing - you should have them open
[00:15] <Eric_xtc> yea then my browser crashed otherwise I wouldn't be asking for the links would I?
[00:16] <ikonia> ahhh the browser crashed now
[00:16] <ikonia> !guidelines
[00:16] <ikonia> !coc
[00:16] <MenZa> Eric_xtc: I suggest you don't take that tone with us. We're only trying to help create the best possible atmosphere in #ubuntu.
[00:16] <ikonia> please come back in 24 hours and we will discuss re-allowing you to re-join the channel
[00:17] <Eric_xtc> How about we talk right after I finish reading the rules again huh?
[00:17] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: I'm sorry - you where unable to follow the instructions of staying out of the channel until you had read the rules, so now I'd like you to take 24 hours to read and absorb them
[00:17] <ikonia> we'll talk after that
[00:18] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: do you understand what I'm explaining to you ?
[00:20] <Eric_xtc> yes. so the basics are that I have to be Considerate, respectful, Collaborative, When I dissagree I have to consult others, an important goal is to not avoid disagreements, when I am unsure to ask for help, there I told you I read the rules.
[00:21] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: ok - so please take 24 hours to absorb them
[00:21] <ikonia> we'll talk then
[00:21] <Eric_xtc> why 24hrs? Ive got the important stuff allready. See I was multitasking also.
[00:22] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: 1.) you didn't follow the instructions given to you 2.) I don't belive what you told me a.) you read them b.) you sort of read them c.) the browser crached
[00:22] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: so please take 24 hours to absorb them in
[00:23] <Eric_xtc> Why would I lie? I just told you what was on the rules.
[00:23] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: you didn't read the rules in 3 minutes - so I'd like you to take some time to absorb them
[00:24] <Eric_xtc> Aye I told you what the rules where. If you don't think that someone can read a whole paragraph in one minute then I don't know what kind of person are you.
[00:26] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: it's two long pages - I think you need to take more than 3 minutes to absorb them, plus you also said the browser crashed so it must have been less than 3 minutes, I'd rather you took them in over the course of the evening then started afresh in #ubutnu confident that you knew the rules this time
[00:27] <Eric_xtc> I know the rules now. My computer is pretty fast you know to restart my web browser takes only a 3 seconds.
[00:27] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: well - I'm not debating this further, please come back in 24 hours and we'll resolve your access to #ubuntu
[00:27] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: how did you restart your web browser when you didn't know the URLs ?
[00:27] <Eric_xtc> whatever. Ugh.
[00:28] <ikonia> never mind - I'm not that interested, I'll catch you in 24 hours ?
[00:28] <Eric_xtc> I clicked open
[00:28] <Eric_xtc> dude I can tell you all the rules right now.
[00:28] <ikonia> that's fine - tell me in 24 hours
[00:28] <ikonia> I'll catch up with you then
[00:28] <Eric_xtc> whatever. -.-
[00:28] <ikonia> ok
[00:29] <ikonia> Eric_xtc: this channel has a no idle policy so unless you have any further questions, please leave the channel and we'll see you in 24 hours
[00:31] <MenZa> dear. lord.
[00:31]  * MenZa hands ikonia an extra fluffy pillow.
[00:31] <ikonia> %100 bed time now
[00:31] <ikonia> night
[00:31] <MenZa> night.
[00:32] <Flannel> Mmm, wahnfrieden is banned.
[00:32] <Flannel> Difficult to know whether it's intentional or not.
[00:32] <ikonia> ask ?
[00:33] <Flannel> If he's ban evading?
[00:33] <ikonia> if he knows he is ?
[00:33] <Flannel> Mmm, just timed out.
[00:33] <Flannel> I suppose asking might be crazy enough to work.
[01:35] <Flannel> paco_the_taco seems to be trolling?
[01:45] <MenZa> Flannel: certainly looks like it.
[01:45] <Pici> Yeah, waiting for him to really cross the line.
[01:46]  * MenZa nods.
[01:48] <MenZa> the question is where that line is. <__<
[01:49] <MenZa> ftr, I let zen-tao know that we are aware of his presence and that he shouldn't worry any further about it
[01:50] <MenZa> (in a /query)
[02:02] <Pici> maco: thanks, my aliases are still broken it seems
[02:02] <Flannel> Ah, he made the jump to #k
[02:03] <Pricey> Flannel: Where'd he come from?
[02:03] <maco> jussi01: by the way, your alias doesnt work
[02:03] <Flannel> #u, paco_the_taco
[02:03] <maco> i tried to use it the other day
[02:06] <Pici> nalioth: The floodbots should take care of us having to ban by ident for gateway users... or was there another reason you applied that ban?
[02:09] <Flannel> Pici: FBs are broken in K right now on proxy stuff I believe
[02:09] <Flannel> If they aren't, then theres a proxy ban that needs fixing, since he wasn't allowed into #u when he reconnected as help_me
[02:10] <Pici> Flannel: There are two bots there currently, I thought thats the number we had
[02:10] <Flannel> Hmm, there is a proxy user ban in #k, did he get an exception before he joined?
[02:11] <Pici> Flannel: yes.
[02:11] <Flannel> Oh, he did.
[02:11] <Flannel> ok, well, that must be the problem then, that disconnect.
[02:11] <Flannel> Or, maybe not a problem at all, that could be by design I suppose
[02:12] <Flannel> Pici: FB didn't ban though once he was removed, so the FB banning might be what's missing right now
[02:12] <Pici> Flannel: Ah
[02:13] <Flannel> FloodbotK must not know about Floodbot's bans though, since when he reconnected, his ban in #u disallowed him to rejoin, but still was granted an exception in #k
[02:13] <Flannel> s/Floodbots/Ubuntus/ or whatever
[02:26] <rww> Hello operator people!
[02:27] <rww> There's a problem with the torrents for the Karmic beta that's stopping them from working or throwing up warnings for a lot of people. Can a note about it be added to #ubuntu+1, or can someone point me towards the torrent.ubuntu.com admins?
[02:27] <rww> s/+1/+1's topic/
[02:31] <Flannel> hi arand, How can we help you today?
[02:31] <arand> Sorry, was just going to report BTREE, but Pici seems to have it all sorted..
[02:31] <BTREE> BAN ME
[02:33] <MenZa> Pici: Freenode staffer time?
[02:33] <Pici> MenZa: nah, he was already in #freenode
[02:33] <MenZa> ah, fun.
[02:33] <MenZa> question, wasn't he in here a few days ago?
[02:34]  * MenZa will probably remove that ban in a few days.
[02:34] <MenZa> oh lord
[02:34] <MenZa> Congtitifooo: Let me guess. BTREE?
[02:35] <Flannel> Congtitifooo: Yes
[02:35] <MenZa> Oh right, muted.
[02:35] <Flannel> Congtitifooo: We'll ban you, don't worry.  Just go on your merry way.
[02:36] <MenZa> dear lord.
[02:36] <MenZa> I have seen the 'BTREE' nick before, I'm sure of it.
[02:36]  * MenZa goes through his logs.
[02:36] <Pici> argh
[02:37] <MenZa> nope
[02:37] <MenZa> oh well, like I said, it's getting late.
[02:38] <MenZa> nini
[02:38] <Pici> stew around?
[02:38] <Pici> no, not here. arg
[02:42] <Flannel> Joyous of Joys
[02:44] <nalioth> maco: the *!1234abcd@* part of a gateway user will always reflect their hexed IP
[02:44] <Pici> I'm surprised at the lack of user response from that in #ubuntu
[02:44] <maco> ah! useful to know thanks
[02:44] <nalioth> maco: of course, if they're abusing a proxy, this will change
[02:44] <maco> right
[02:45] <Pici> nalioth: Would you mind adding ubuntuirccouncil to the access list in #kubuntu-offtopic if you have a moment?
[02:45] <nalioth> sure
[02:52] <Pici> nalioth: Still around?
[02:54] <Pici> Pricey: you're active!
[02:55] <nalioth> Pici: you're not identified
[02:55] <Pici> nalioth: I am now.
[02:56] <Pici> Hes hitting like all our channels...
[02:57] <Pici> Thanks
[06:16] <Flannel> Howdy Madpilot!
[06:17] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:20] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, ping? PM me, need to pick your brains
[06:56] <dragon> !opera
[06:56] <dragon> dapper only LOL
[06:57] <Madpilot> just a bit out of date
[06:57] <Madpilot> @login
[06:58] <dragon> cool.
[06:58] <Madpilot> ubottu, no, opera is <reply>Opera is an advanced, fast and free (as in beer) web browser. It is packaged for easy installation into Ubuntu. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[06:58] <Madpilot> !opera
[08:09] <Mez> ping: bot team
[08:09] <Mez> !ops-#ubuntu-uk is =~ s/Ompaul/dgjones, Myrtti/
[08:09] <Mez> ubot4
[08:09] <jussi01> Mez: since when did you have rights to ubot4` ?
[08:10] <Mez> jussi01: I don't know, but I've been able to edit factoids on there afore
[08:10] <Mez> (from #ubuntu-uk)
[08:12] <jussi01> Mez: As far as I understand it, we dont edit the factoids on the clones, they are synced from ubottu regularly.
[08:12] <Mez> !ops-#ubuntu-uk
[08:12] <Mez> jussi01: that might have been the thing, however, my edit request here just came back with an error
[08:13] <Mez> !ops-#ubuntu-uk =~ s/Ompaul/dgjones, Myrtti/
[08:13] <Mez> ffs
[08:13] <Mez> my fault, sorry
[08:13] <Mez> Sorry for waking you up guys and gals, it's just a bit too early in the morning for me
[08:14] <jussi01> Mez: in future, please also try to remeber to edit ops factoids in PM, so you dont ping everyon...
[08:14]  * elky bites her lip.
[08:14] <jussi01> sigh... he left.
[08:57] <Mez> jussi01: did you remove my rights?
[08:57] <Mez> @privileges
[08:57] <Mez> sorry
[08:57] <Mez> @capabilities
[12:25] <jpds> jrib: He's my troll to kill.
[12:25] <jpds> ;)
[12:26]  * jrib grabs some popcorn then
[12:51] <jrib> jpds: you taking care of ximbinha...? getting annoying
[12:51] <niko> Ximbinha troll
[12:55] <jpds> Sorry, I stepped out for a bit.
[12:55] <jrib> he's trolling #python too
[12:57] <jrib> and now he's trying to troll me in pm... /me gets back to work
[13:36] <ikonia> !webcam
[13:47] <elky> jpds, jrib, your pal ximbinha had fun in ##php too
[13:47] <Pici> Yes been klined a few time iirc.
[14:12] <jussi01> !away > dendro-afk
[14:19]  * genii sips
[14:26] <bazhang> * [mama2lmama] (n=Larey@<IP_ADDRESS>): Birrd complaint about spam from him
[14:45] <bazhang> heh
[14:50] <Pici> arggh
[14:50] <bazhang> rexnebular was just repeating spam message afaict
[14:50] <bazhang> ie not the source
[14:51] <Pici> Yes.
[14:51] <Pici> Why is it that I asked like 5 times for people to pm me the message, but one one does, and instead sends it to some other user?
[14:52] <bazhang> like herding cats comes to mind
[14:55] <genii> Pici: Probably they're hitting tab-complete too early....
[14:57] <Pici> genii: No, it was to the person who said that 'marketing isnt on the ircguidelines'
[14:57] <bazhang> boohbah
[14:58] <Pici> yes
[15:11]  * MenZa wibbles.
[15:13] <MenZa> oh man, the amount of ops triggers I wake up to.
[15:39] <genii> Hehe MenZa's favourite subject of wave invites again...
[15:39] <MenZa> genii: :p
[16:00] <ikonia> !encrypt
[16:01] <MenZa> :o
[16:24] <jpds> ikonia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[16:26] <jpds> ikonia: Oh and http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/dm-crypt_luks.html is an excellent read.
[16:32] <ikonia> thank you
[16:36] <Pici> !torrents =~ s/archieecture/architecture/
[16:53] <genii> I found sometimes the MTU settings can cause those symptoms (like having 1492 or so set in router when it's a cable connection, etc)
[16:53] <genii> Misdirect
[18:22] <MenZa> nickspoon. <3
[18:22] <nickspoon> Oh hey MenZa.
[18:22] <MenZa> Oh heeeey.
[19:00] <genii> Hm
[19:08] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[19:09] <Tm_T> http://paste.ubuntu.com/284025/
[19:09] <Tm_T> silly people
[19:09] <Pici> Tm_T: when was that?
[19:10] <Pici> If it was last night he ended up being klined.
[19:11] <Tm_T> Pici: I suppose, but see his quit, no kline there, he didn't get what he was looking for (:
[19:11] <Tm_T> just, humours me
[19:41] <dragon> It would make sense if #ubuntu-docs were pointed to #ubuntu-doc
[19:45] <dragon> anyone?
[19:46] <Pici> dragon: Thanks for the suggestion
[19:46] <nalioth> don't make my open my pet cage, please
[19:46] <dragon> Pici: you're welcome
[20:40] <Flannel> ubottu: tell steffan about scope
[20:40] <Flannel> Hmm, thats probably users on a machine, and not on IRC
[20:53] <ikonia> Pici: I already sent him a message in pm explaining the correct channels, it's csh and he's calling some c functions
[20:53] <Pici> Then ##C
[20:54] <ikonia> yup - pointed him there too
[20:56] <ikonia> I'm explaining to him in pm now that he needs to stop asking - not telling people to ignore or trying to bait saying "don't know the answer"
[21:00] <ikonia> he's still arguing it
[21:00] <ikonia> can't be bothered
[21:01] <Tm_T> ikonia: you can, cangaroo, you can
[21:02] <ikonia> ahhhh
[21:02] <ikonia> he's know he's in bt under different nicks
[21:04] <ikonia> he was using mac OS X
[21:04] <ikonia> according to his posts in ##c
[21:29] <ikonia> back again eh
[22:18] <MenZa> nickspoon: Hello!
[22:18] <nickspoon> MenZa: I know you are!
[22:19] <MenZa> nickspoon: No you don't!


[01:49] <lasking> upgrade to 7.10  safe?
[01:51] <crimsun> if you're asking, then probably not.
[01:51] <lasking> thank you
[01:51] <crimsun> running the development branch is perilous at times.  You get what you pay for.
[02:20] <Amaranth> looking for someone to test my compiz-0.5.0+git20070514 packages
[02:32] <Amaranth> no brave folks around, eh?
[02:32] <Amaranth> oh well, you'll all get it in a couple days hopefully :)
[05:12] <_emet_> !gutsy
[05:12] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule Support in #ubuntu+1
[05:12] <ToHellWithGA> _emet_: holla
[05:12] <_emet_> hi
[05:12] <ToHellWithGA> are you trying it out yet?
[05:12] <_emet_> anyone know gutsy launchpad
[05:12] <_emet_> not yet
[05:12] <ToHellWithGA> the xfce side of things is pretty broken, but the gnome stuff is mostly ok
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> and the new CLI stuff is champ
[05:14] <_emet_> I'm prob going to install it when the first alpha comes out
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> dist-upgrade
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> :)
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> more things break if you don't start fresh
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> then you can find/report more bugs
[05:18] <_emet_> true
[05:18] <_emet_> I might do it with this install
[05:19] <_emet_> seems gutsy is going to have an install-time option to only install open source things
[05:19] <ToHellWithGA> oh yeah, that's gonna rock
[05:21] <BHSPitMonkey> does that obsolete gnewsense?
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> that'd be cool
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> more unity is good, right?
[05:22] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[05:22] <Toma-> I hope theres no political banter in the installer :(
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> i know it's not a big step of windows setup, but i really like not having to read/agree to a license to install ubuntu
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> i feel really free when i'm not bothered with paperwork like that
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> little things like that, they only take a moment not to do... but they feel so great
[06:19] <DanaG> Is there anything significantly new in Gutsy, so far?
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> yeah
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> the build toolchain
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> also i think rtorrent is new
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> although it could be updated in feisty as well
[06:22] <DanaG> I can back up my Feisty system on a whim, and dist-upgrade; however, now may be too early.
[06:22] <ToHellWithGA> some new buils of gnome and xfce stuff
[06:23] <ToHellWithGA> you can dist-upgrade and dist-downgrade
[06:23] <crimsun> the shiniest stuff right now is under the hood, namely Linux.
[06:23] <ToHellWithGA> i mean if you switch your sources back, you should be able to go back
[06:23] <crimsun> or Pidgin if that floats your boat.
[06:23] <DanaG> I added Pidgin to Feisty already.
[06:23] <DanaG> I did a dpkg --force-depends-version
[06:24] <ToHellWithGA> there's still "gaim-text" instead of "pidgin-text"
[06:24] <ToHellWithGA> was that project abandoned or was the link just forgotten?
[06:24] <DanaG> then since it kept wanting to remove the package, I removed the info about Pidgin from /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> I think pidgin's text client is to have a new name
[06:25] <ToHellWithGA> i hope it is called dove
[06:25] <ToHellWithGA> for being the same as a pigeon but with a nicer public image
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> whatever it is, it's been announced
[06:25] <DanaG> Finch.
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> the public isn't who uses text IM clients
[06:25] <BHSPitMonkey> Finch.
[06:25] <DanaG> Oh, and preferences are stored in .purple.
[06:26] <DanaG> Good luck trying to find that one, looking for .pidgin
[06:26] <DanaG> "Pidgin", I get -- it's a play on "pidgin" and "pigeon",
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> How is pidgin a play on pidgin?  That makes no sense...
[06:27] <DanaG> but I disagree with "finch" and "purple" -- where's the coherence?  But the Gaim, er, Pidgin devs don't seem to want to change anything now.
[06:27] <DanaG> look on Wikipedia.
[06:27] <DanaG> At least with Beryl, you have that and Emerald and Heliodor and Aquamarine.  Those are all various gems.
[06:28] <ToHellWithGA> buhbye.  goodnight.
[06:30] <DanaG> I still sometimes think Gusty as Gutsy.  Er, the other way around.  Aack, I just did it then, too.
[08:00] <Ademan> sorry, totally off topic, but #ubuntu is sort of ignoring me,  my friend's got a laptop with 128mb system ram, and I'm debating between reccomending ubuntu or xubuntu.  I found that xfce is a little lacking in the user friendlyness and i sorta would rather have him have a good first experience with ubuntu, but on the other hand, i dunno if 128mb is enough to run GNOME at any sort of reasonable speed, what do you guys think? (i'm
[08:00] <Ademan> going to reccomend the alternate install cd either way)
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> I'd go XFCE on that - it will run Gnome, but not ideally.
[08:03] <Ademan> hrm, apparently it's a 1.8ghz proccessor though, i'm half tempted to have him install ubuntu, and then just install xfce if it's too sluggish
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> That works too
[08:04] <Ademan> i really want him to get psyched about linux, and i never felt xfce was nearly as user friendly as GNOME
[08:05] <Ademan> well, certain annoyances, like not being able to easily create launchers from launchers in the main menu
[08:05] <Ademan> either way, i guess that's a sane route
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> ya
[09:40] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:23] <[phaedrus] > whats the command to prepend to command lines, when you dont want the process to quit after a ssh session?
[11:23] <crdlb> screen ?
[11:25] <[phaedrus] > the nohup thing
[11:25] <[phaedrus] > how do you add it?
[11:26] <[phaedrus] > alright... figured it out...
[11:26] <[phaedrus] > just had to add nohup before the command
[11:27] <[phaedrus] > memory blurrss
[02:39] <farion> hello, how can i compile the source package of linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22?
[02:46] <farion> i get the source-code with "apt-get source linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22" - then i extract it, but in there are only three directories (debian, ubuntu, ubuntu-firmware) - how can I add/patch them to my kernel-source
[04:00] <terlmann> ok..
[04:00] <terlmann> I need some help
[04:00] <terlmann> I want to do something weird
[04:00] <terlmann> I want to :
[04:01] <terlmann> make a ntfs partition Inside of a ext3 ojne
[04:01] <terlmann> one*
[04:01] <terlmann> and boot into it from grub
[04:01] <terlmann> is there a way to do this ?
[04:03] <Pumpernickel> "Inside" an ext3 one?
[04:03] <Pumpernickel> Could you be a bit more descriptive?
[04:04] <gnomefreak> terlmann: not likely to be inside an ext3 but make a new partition that is ntfs
[04:04] <terlmann> can't
[04:04] <terlmann> inside
[04:04] <terlmann> yes
[04:04] <terlmann> make a large file , mark it read only to the ext3 system(ubuntu) , and give grub some commands
[04:05] <gnomefreak> no partitions are just that you cant have one inside another
[04:05] <Pumpernickel> You can do that, somewhat, with Qemu, but I'm pretty sure you can't boot to it from Grub.
[04:05] <Pumpernickel> Qemu handles that itself.
[04:05] <terlmann> well grub cannot directly adress the host hardware
[04:05] <gnomefreak> although there are limits on what ext3 can have in way of size
[04:07] <terlmann> There is A way , somehow, somewhere
[04:08] <gnomefreak> terlmann: also remember this channel is only for gutsy topics please see #ubuntu for your needs
[04:08] <terlmann> can't grub read a partition's data
[04:08] <gnomefreak> grub reads kernel
[04:08] <terlmann> yea, well, I am, , ya know , gutsy alright
[04:08] <gnomefreak> and boot parameters
[04:10] <terlmann> well, what if a bootloader could read the partition ?
[04:11] <gnomefreak> terlmann: it reads the partition but if there isnt a boot parameter set it cant boot it and will give you a not found error
[04:13] <terlmann> well, can we give it some god-like parameters ?
[04:14] <gnomefreak> terlmann: your going way outside the relem of support at this point. and if you are using gutsy dont attempt it
[04:14] <terlmann> yep, I am going off the charts
[04:15] <gnomefreak> terlmann: your better off asking in #ubuntu-offtopic see if someone knows there but it way outside support issue at this point
[04:16] <terlmann> does gutsy even have a herd one out yet ?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> terlmann: no
[04:16] <gnomefreak> and it wont be herd
[04:17] <terlmann> ehehe
[04:17] <terlmann> so who is complaining ? (there isn't anything for this channel to support , yet ;-) )
[05:28] <farion> is there a 2.6.22 smp-kernel in gutsy?
[05:30] <Toma-> -gei=mp
[05:30] <Toma-> err
[05:30] <Toma-> -generic = smp
[05:31] <farion> ah okay, and the 386 is the one without?
[05:32] <Toma-> yep
[05:32] <farion> okay, next question
[05:33] <farion> i do "apt-get source -b linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22"
[05:33] <farion> are the compiled modules for the ubuntu kernel or for (my own) running kernel?
[07:11] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: because everyone elses is also on gutsy
[07:11] <PriceChild> Pardon?
[07:11] <PriceChild> I saw this on Feisty once and I think a reboot fixed whatever it is...
[07:14] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: they are comming. with gutsy reboot wont help (maybe a little) depening on what packages you have wait for fonts to get updated
[07:14] <PriceChild> Hehe
[07:14] <PriceChild> I'm impatient :)
[07:16] <PriceChild> erm....
[07:16] <PriceChild> right click adjust date and time... tells me my platform isn't supported
[07:16] <PriceChild> hehe I'm loving gutsy already :D
[07:16] <PriceChild> feisty's been boring for a couple of months, this is much better :)
[07:18] <gnomefreak> because gutsy isnt in the list (most likely hasnt been merged yet)
[07:27] <PriceChild> hehe yeah
[07:35] <Amaranth> PriceChild: hey, now you can test my compiz packages :)
[07:36] <PriceChild> I can yes
[07:36] <Amaranth> PriceChild: http://dev.realistanew.com/compiz/packages
[07:36] <PriceChild> Is this gonna mess up my upgrades.... /me looks at versioning
[07:37] <Hobbsee> ooh, new X stuff being uploaded
[07:37] <PriceChild> hehe yeah i got -core earlier
[07:37] <PriceChild> already been stomping my feet impatiently wanting the resto f it
[07:39] <PriceChild> I just got a big red error from gdebi about broken cache etc. etc. and got scared Amaranth!
[07:40] <Amaranth> PriceChild: compiz-core has a Breaks on compiz-extra
[07:40] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: yeah, xserver 1.3, here we come
[07:40] <PriceChild> yeah its all fine
[07:40] <PriceChild> fixing it now
[07:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yeah it means breakage!!!
[07:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: woo!
[07:42] <PriceChild> Amaranth, something's not right... :P
[07:42] <PriceChild> window decorators not working...
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's probably waiting
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what about it?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that it's so big?
[07:43] <Amaranth> upgrade all of them, start metacity, kill emerald and gtk-window-decorator, start compiz
[07:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it hasnt gone through
[07:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: archive admins may not be here
[07:43] <gnomefreak> ah good point
[07:44] <PriceChild> Amaranth, i'm just getting seg faults
[07:44] <Amaranth> PriceChild: maybe you should build it on your own :)
[07:44] <Amaranth> check the src dir
[07:44] <PriceChild> Amaranth, you're the one that told me to test your packages! :P
[07:45] <Amaranth> heh
[07:45] <Amaranth> i mean build from the source package
[07:48] <Amaranth> PriceChild: pdebuild ftw
[07:48] <PriceChild> pdeuild?
[07:49] <PriceChild> I should know these thigns...
[07:50] <PriceChild> right doing it atm...
[07:50] <Amaranth> PriceChild: btw, you must already have the pango update
[07:50] <Amaranth> that fixes the synaptic crashes, iirc
[07:50] <PriceChild> yeah :)
[07:53] <PriceChild> Why is this pbuilder taking ages to create?
[07:55] <gnomefreak> chroot!!!!!!
[07:55] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: why are you recreating?  dont you have one from feisty?
[07:56] <PriceChild> Nope
[07:56] <PriceChild> not that i know of anyway
[07:57] <PriceChild> I've switched mirror and its zooming along now :)
[07:57] <PriceChild> main mirrors must be getting hit... :s
[08:15] <PriceChild> Amaranth, i forgot to install your libs.... :P
[08:16] <Amaranth> hahaha
[08:16] <Amaranth> yeah, that'll do it
[08:16] <PriceChild> just noticed after finishing the pbuild
[08:16] <Amaranth> should probably make the compiz-gnome and compiz-kde packages have versioned dependencies
[08:16] <PriceChild> yeah that's working nicely now :)
[08:16] <PriceChild> even if I _HATE_ the defaults :P
[08:17] <PriceChild> I haven't used wall yet... I need to build something that has that
[08:18] <PriceChild> why doesn't desktop-effects do its own menu entry...
[11:29] <nzk> Why is Feisty so UNGODLY slow for me...
[11:29] <nzk> I am running Xchat, Rhythmbox, Pidgin, and Firefox. My load average is FOUR.
[11:31] <crimsun> I recommend you install systemtap and investigate further.
[11:31] <crimsun> it may be as simple as (re)activating DMA.
[11:31] <crimsun> or you may need to feed the hamsters inside your machine.  They do tire after a few thousands run o' the wheel, you know.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> nzk: the topic.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> nzk: and clearly, the answer is "because it hates you"
[11:38] <nzk> I'm using Feisty
[11:38] <nzk> Not Gutsy
[11:39] <Hobbsee> yes.  hence, it's offtopic
[11:40] <nzk> Well, I can't really go into Ubuntu so I don't have much of a choice


[00:21] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, firewalld hasn't been packaged for debian yet
[00:21] <bjsnider> i guess you could isntall it right now using alien
[00:22] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:22] <bjsnider> an application like transmission would have to know it's there and how to communicate with it before it would be of any real use
[00:22] <BUGabundo> that's NOT the thing that I want alien to be touching
[00:28] <arand> That's what the predator said..
[00:59] <jo-erlend> I've read that Evolution is to be replaced by Thunderbird in 11.10 and that Firefox is to be replaced as well. Is this decided?
[01:22] <SudoKing> is it possible chromium will ever be included on a default install?
[01:26] <arand> jo-erlend: I doubt firefox relacing
[01:27] <arand> s/relacing/replacing/
[01:27] <penguin42> SudoKing: Anything is possible over time
[01:28] <arand> SudoKing: Well I don't know if there's much gain either way, afaik, firefox is a bit nicer from a maintenance point of view, so there's no real need in bringing on the pain of switching I think, I may be wrong though..
[01:59] <bjsnider> SudoKing, if they decide to switch to chromium as the default browser for new users, then it certainly would. that is probably inevitable at this point, but no eta
[15:34] <BUGabundo> BSD doesn't really like me
[15:34] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:34] <BUGabundo> $ sudo xzcat FreeNAS-8.0-RELEASE-i386.Full_Install.xz | dd of=/dev/sdb1 bs=5k
[15:34] <BUGabundo> dd: opening `/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
[15:34] <Ian_Corne> you no can has
[15:36] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dd if=FreeNAS-8.0-RELEASE-i386.Full_Install of=/dev/sdb1 bs=5k
[15:36] <BUGabundo> ill dd the uncompressed image then
[15:39] <BUGabundo> using my 1st laptop to try to setup a NAS
[15:39] <BUGabundo> got natty server (probably playing with ZFS on Linux) and FreeNAS
[15:39] <BUGabundo> this is gonna be fun
[15:43] <penguin42> BUGabundo: On bsd wouldn't it be something like /dev/rdsk something - oh but you're not righting the partition hmm
[15:43] <penguin42> why 5k block size?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I'm doing the dd from 11.10 :P
[15:44] <BUGabundo> 5k cause it says on the wiki
[15:44] <BUGabundo> beats me
[15:44] <BUGabundo> I would use 1MBs
[15:44] <penguin42> unusual size
[15:45] <BUGabundo> http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Initial_Setup
[15:47] <BUGabundo> great, old laptop doesn't boot from this USB
[15:51] <BUGabundo> I guess ill have to hack GRUB2 to boot from USB ... don't recall how
[16:11] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Does it see USB in Grub2 on that machine at all - i.e. if you just do root (hd  and tab complete do you see anything other than the hard drive?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> yeah, from grub1  (it has xubuntu 8.10) I can see hd0 and hd1
[16:22] <penguin42> oh well that's promising
[16:24] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:24] <BUGabundo> just booted
[16:24] <BUGabundo> now looking at a long line of #############
[20:13] <GTRsdk> will there be lubuntu daily builds?
[20:17] <magn3ts> I wish taht the sound menu listed all the apps running with connections to alsa and would let me control their volume
[20:17] <magn3ts> Wouldn't that be awesome?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> how is virtualbox in +1 ?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> gonna try to make a VM for FreeNAS
[21:29] <BUGabundo> can't install it
[21:29] <BUGabundo> fooo