[06:06] <munderwo> Hi all.. If i have a set of commands to start a service, and a different set of commands to stop one, how do I do that?
[06:11] <SpamapS> munderwo: post-stop and pre-start
[06:13] <munderwo> so instead of having something in script... I put the stuff to start in pre-start and the stuff to stop in post-stop?
[06:16] <SpamapS> yes.. though that will probably mean you can't use reload or respawn.
[06:18] <munderwo> right... so what about it I put the shutdown in the post-stop and the startup in the normal section?
[06:21] <munderwo> can I use reload just like start and stop?
[16:04] <SpamapS> ww


[00:13] <Thioka> Hi everyone,  Tomorrow this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day.
[00:38] <Daskreech> Thioka: thanks :)
[00:42] <Kimlaroux> they are ranked 1015... they need to be 1000 to get the money, I believe we can change that
[00:45] <Thioka> I hope so
[00:52] <henrique> test
[00:58] <nafg> 1010
[01:20] <Thioka> Hi everyone,  Tomorrow this ( ---->http://blogs.kde.org/node/4491<----) will end and KDE will lose the opportunity to win 1000 euros. You can vote even though you're not from Germany. Spend some of your time, you can vote three times. If you like KDE support it. Have a nice day.
[01:20] <Thioka> And good night!
[01:27] <Daskreech> Thioka: Woohoo Back above 1000 :)
[01:28] <Thioka> Perfect, keep up the good work.
[01:29] <Thioka> Good night!
[01:39] <level15> hi all. where did aurorae go in 11.10?
[01:41] <Tech-1> maybe you could point me in the right direction - i uninstalled xserver-xorg .. and reinstalled it, everything works but my music player launchers, when i click them, it takes the system to log in status, something is missing and i don't know what
[01:44] <Snowhog> Tech-1: When you say 'takes the system to log in status', do you mean you are taken out of your desktop back to the KDM login screen?
[01:45] <Tech-1> when i click on any music launcher it logs out and logs back in..
[01:46] <level15> is anyone using aurorae decoration?
[01:46] <Tech-1> if i knew what it took out while doing the purg xserver-xorg i could replace it..
[01:49] <Tech-1> this may do it again, if so, ill brb
[01:50] <Snowhog> Tech-1: You can see if reinstalling kubuntu-desktop (you are running Kubuntu, yes? I won't assume just because you are here.).
[01:50] <Snowhog> does the trick for you.
[01:55] <Daskreech> level15: where did you get it before?
[01:55] <Daskreech> hi bigbrovar_
[01:56] <level15> Daskreech: I didn't, I saw a post about getting it for kde 4.3 but not for any newer versions
[01:56] <level15> DarkriftX: but now i got it, thanks... it turns out i already had it and didn't know :-)
[01:56] <Daskreech> level15: :-)
[01:56] <bigbrovar_> Daskreech: Hi
[01:57] <bigbrovar_> am having issues with kwallet similar to this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283965
[01:58] <bigbrovar_> everytime I have to kill kwalletd otherwise applications which require kwallet to start wont function properly.. anyone having this issues?
[01:59] <bigbrovar_> started couple of days ago and I would really not like to re install my system without knowing that could be the cause of this problem
[01:59] <bigbrovar_> heck its 3am here.. am heading back to bed ..
[01:59] <Daskreech> bigbrovar_: did you look to see the entries in the Kwallet manager?
[01:59] <Daskreech> ok
[01:59] <Daskreech> nighht
[02:30] <Stronze> when i was using ubuntu, i had a script to pull flash videos to that folder it was in but with kubuntu-desktop for gui, it doesnt work any more. is there a kubuntu solution to pull flash video without degrading adobe?
[02:33] <Stronze> anyone??
[02:38] <Stronze> as much fun as it to watch mat to go in and out. can anyone point me to the correct webpage for my question?
[02:40] <Daskreech> Stronze: to that folder?
[02:40] <Stronze> heya Daskreech
[02:41] <Stronze> the folder i had the script in. the script would pull flash videos to the that folder
[02:41] <Daskreech> Ah
[02:41] <Daskreech> !info youtube-dl
[02:42] <Stronze> Daskreech, its not just youtube i watch videos on
[02:43] <Daskreech> that actually does more than youtube but I'm trying to think of another flash downloader
[02:43] <Stronze> Daskreech, i know adobe stores the flash within mozilla sub folders but its a pain to find it
[02:44] <Daskreech> Ah firefox
[02:44] <Stronze> Daskreech, /home/stronze/.mozilla/firefox/viuoica6.default/Cache/
[02:44] <Daskreech> would https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/download-flash-and-video/ help ?
[02:45] <Stronze> let me check
[02:47] <Stronze> http://pastebin.com/hxLz3vks <----the script that i found
[02:52] <Stronze> Daskreech, yeah that works bud
[02:52] <Stronze> Daskreech, thanks
[02:52] <Daskreech> Stronze: Fnatastic :)
[02:52] <Daskreech> Fan
[02:53] <Stronze> Daskreech,  remember if el sucks you in, drop me a line. gonna watch some videos now
[02:56] <Daskreech> :)
[04:24] <JoeSomebody> hi, does ubuntu home support cover kubuntu?  the kubuntu website takes me to ubuntu when i try to get docs ...
[04:25] <JoeSomebody> and, where are kubuntu docs?
[04:25] <Kimlaroux> it's the same thing, only kubuntu uses KDE
[04:25] <Kimlaroux> Ubunty used Gnomes, now it uses Unity
[04:26] <Kimlaroux> but for core system doc, it's the same thing
[04:26] <JoeSomebody> ok, but so when i need kde specific assistance, what is best?
[04:26] <Kimlaroux> either kubuntu or kde
[04:27] <JoeSomebody> i am also trying ubuntu 11.10, but i like kde a lot
[05:01] <bulwynkl> video keeps freezing on chrome/firefox... e.g. vimeo and youtube...
[05:01] <bulwynkl> locks the whole damn PC
[05:01] <bulwynkl> any thoughts where I might start to diagnose the root cause?
[05:30] <Daskreech> JoeSomebody: You can ask in here for Kubuntu support #kde is also a helpful channel if anyone is awake though a little more acid than here
[05:34] <JoeSomebody> ok :)
[05:50] <holycow> b
[05:52] <saravana> how to run an .exe file in kubuntu 11.10..
[05:55] <saravana> can i use wine ?????????
[05:55] <Resistance> yes you can use wine.  but make sure the .exe has execute permissions
[05:55] <Resistance> (i.e. chmod +x /path/to/executable )
[05:56] <saravana> Resistance: k
[05:57] <saravana> how to install wine
[05:57] <Resistance> saravana:  apt-get install wine?
[05:57] <Resistance> er
[05:57] <Resistance> saravana:  sudo apt-get install wine
[05:57] <Resistance> in terminal
[05:58] <bigbrovar> Saravana : a better approach would be to ask if there is any Linux alternative to the exe windows app u want to install.  Linux by default does not support exe or windows application. Wine support is a third party solution whuvh has varying degree of success
[05:59] <CQ> hello, I dont see the sound and multimedia configuration anywhere (not in system settings, not under multimedia in the kmenu) ... any ideas on where it went??
[05:59] <CQ> ...or even better, how to get it back!
[05:59] <bigbrovar> Even then the end result won't work as well as the app did in windows or work as well as a Linux alternative might have
[06:00] <saravana> Resistance: downloading started
[06:00] <CQ> saravana: thought aboutusing virtualbox? you can use it in seamless mode, meaning you can have a windows guest and the windows windows will be on the linux desktop like the others
[06:00] <saravana> bigbrovar: u know any softwares like that
[06:02] <saravana> CQ: thanks
[06:02] <bigbrovar> Any software like what? The nky software that allows u to install windows app is wine. But u would be better served finding if they is a Linux alternative to the windows software u intend on installing
[06:06] <saravana> while i tried to instal virtual box it says another application is in use
[06:07] <saravana> CQ what to do now
[06:12] <bigbrovar> saravana: thats probably because wine is still being installed
[06:13] <saravana> bigbrovar: i closed the terminal unknowingly while its downloading
[06:14] <bigbrovar> saravana: open another terminal and do a apt-get install -f
[06:15] <saravana> get install what bigbrovar
[06:18] <bigbrovar> saravana: sorry that last command should be sudo apt-get -f
[06:19] <bigbrovar> It would help fix any unfinished install
[06:25] <saravana> bigbrovar: what to do now a list of commands appear
[06:28] <saravana> i closed terminal while i mdownloading wine now am unable to install related softwares to wine . what to do now????????/
[06:28] <akis> hi. i am trying to run through konsole a java application named "jarjscreenfix.jnlp" downloaded it from here: http://www.jscreenfix.com/basic.php. i am giving the command "java -jar jarjscreenfix.jnlp" but the sstem answers that: "Unable to access jarfile jarjscreenfix.jnlp". What do i have to do to run this application?
[06:30] <saravana> how to fix this proble,
[06:30] <saravana> m
[06:34] <saravana> anyone one know about this
[06:35] <Resistance> saravana:  go into the terminal, run `sudo apt-get -f`
[06:35] <Resistance> saravana:  it'll work
[06:35] <Resistance> or it should, at least
[06:36] <saravana> Resistance: i did it , list of commands appeared , what to do then
[06:36] <Resistance> saravana:  that might be problematic.  i'm dead tired, so i dont have a solution right now...
[06:38] <saravana> please help me what should be the next command
[06:41] <akis> hi. i am trying to run through konsole a java application named "jarjscreenfix.jnlp" downloaded it from here: http://www.jscreenfix.com/basic.php. i am giving the command "java -jar jarjscreenfix.jnlp" but the system answers that: "Unable to access jarfile jarjscreenfix.jnlp". What do i have to do to run this application?
[06:45] <sleven> hi
[06:45] <sleven> any 1
[07:54] <bigbrovar|> HulkHogan: If u read my original post u would see I have tried all the solutions bare suggesting
[07:55] <bigbrovar|> Removed all kwallet config files in .Kde/share/apps and .kde/share/config
[07:56] <bigbrovar|> And i made this changes while before I logged into my kde session so that they are not overwritten
[07:58] <HulkHogan> then maybe is not a kwallet problem
[08:01] <bigbrovar|> Hmmm I wonder what the issue could be then. Cause kwallet  service seems to hang on start up causing every other app which require it to also hang
[08:02] <bigbrovar|> HulkHogan: btw which version if kubuntu  are u running
[08:03] <Hulk_Hogan> bigbrovar|: restart kwallet then
[09:52] <ahox> Hi, I get an "The package that is being modified was not found on your system or in any software origin." from Apper. How do I fix that?
[09:58] <ahox> This seems to be caused by a PackageNotFound error, however, aptitutde dist-upgrade finds those.
[11:10] <jamil_1> hi all, I am unable to add a new entry in kickoff Launcher -> Applications -> Development
[11:10] <jamil_1> any suggestions
[12:05] <Kalidarn> j #gnupg
[12:16] <christos> how to enable isight webcam on my 2,1 macbook white running Kubuntu 11.10?????
[12:16] <christos> i am begginer at Kubuntu
[12:18] <Lynoure> christos: what do you want to use it with?
[12:18] <christos> skype or cheese.... nothing unsual
[12:18] <Lynoure> christos: I don't have a macbook, and I'm a bit busy now, but maybe still...
[12:19] <Lynoure> and what does skype show when you test it?
[12:19] <christos> don't rush... don't bother...
[12:19] <christos> skype doesn't find
[12:19] <christos> the webcam
[12:21] <Lynoure> christos: you need isight-firmware-tools and some couple of steps
[12:22] <Lynoure> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleiSight should help
[12:22] <christos> thanks a lot. keep up
[12:23] <Lynoure> christos: If you get stuck at some step, ask again here. :)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:30] <christos> failed due to macOs version 10.6.... thank a lot though!
[13:18] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[13:18] <kamilnadeem> How to get the file menu back in Choqok ?
[13:19] <kamilnadeem> I had hidden it but now I am not able to It?
[13:23] <kamilnadeem> Hi phoenix_firebrd
[13:24] <kamilnadeem> how are you brother?
[13:34] <kamilnadeem> well it is CTRL+m , ok
[13:51] <phunyguy_work> ok so interesting.  My PC at home is having a problem.    That's what I don't understand
[13:54] <kamilnadeem> O.o this is scary phunyguy_work
[13:54] <phunyguy_work> you're tellin me
[13:54] <BluesKaj> you must a have repetitive error that looping and writing to disk , could be nepomuk or akonadi , phunyguy_work
[13:54] <kamilnadeem> yeah
[13:54] <phunyguy_work> wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I did a fresh reinstall and copied back my home folder
[13:54] <phunyguy_work> ><
[13:55] <phunyguy_work> going to try a restart, then I will free the space up again
[13:55] <kamilnadeem> such a problem for a normal user will mean catastrophe for a new user
[13:55] <phunyguy_work> ....I hope it comes back.  It's a remote machine currently
[13:56] <phunyguy_work> that computer has so many issues and I am wondering if it is kernel related
[13:56] <phunyguy_work> works fine until I updated recently
[14:00] <phunyguy_work> kamilnadeem: this isn't the place to share your blog unless it is to help someone.
[14:00] <phunyguy_work> :P
[14:02] <kamilnadeem> Sorry will not happen again
[14:02] <kamilnadeem> period
[14:03] <phunyguy_work> :(  It didn't come back... :(
[14:03] <kamilnadeem> take care
[14:03] <kamilnadeem> everyone
[14:03] <kamilnadeem> phunyguy_work: Thanks for educating
[14:03] <kamilnadeem> Peace Be With You All
[14:04] <phunyguy_work> wow...
[14:04] <phunyguy_work> guy PM'd me trying to get me to click on his blog.
[14:04] <phunyguy_work> ><
[14:04] <phunyguy_work> I lit him up.
[14:09] <Pinklady340> hi guys, I wonder if you'd be kind enough to help me.  I'm looking at new flatscreen for my kubuntu 11-10, it's native resolution 1440x900 - i don't see it as a setting, so do you know if i could get it to work please?
[14:10] <Pinklady340> The graphics card it will go to is ATI Radeon SE on PCI express slot, 128mb
[14:11] <Pinklady340> sorry guys, I have to go, I'll come back later.
[14:25] <c_smith-> hey, I'm trying to do an update, but I keep running into the error "Another application seems to be using the package system" when I don't have another package manager running, and just booted up, what can I do to try to fix this?
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> using Muon? c_smith-?
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> If so, try to locate the lock file and kill it
[14:25] <phunyguy_work> can't remember where it is
[14:26] <c_smith-> k
[14:35] <c_smith-> Phoneyguy_work, seems either killing the Muon process or killing Kblocked did it.
[14:43] <volodya> so, suppose I've just installed some upgrades, and now /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi crashes on startup. How do I fix this?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> c_smith-, run this in a terminal, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:44] <roland> hi. where can I get KDE partition manager 1.1 ? need it to create aligned partitions for crucial m4 ssd
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> vote for kde http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/10/10/help-kde-e-v-secure-funding-for-a-sprint-with-just-a-few-clicks/
[16:15] <BarkingFish> afternoon dudemeisters :) I need some help.  Do we have a GUI anywhere in kubuntu 11.10 for bluetooth?
[16:16] <BarkingFish> I have an adapter in my machine which is recognised and working, but I'll be blowed if i can find a gui to actually do anything with it.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, kmenu>apps>internet>BlueDevil
[16:19] <BarkingFish> not installed, I'll have to go get it :)
[16:20] <BarkingFish> won't install either :(
[16:20] <BarkingFish> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:20] <BarkingFish> bluedevil: Depends: obex-data-server but it is not going to be installed
[16:21] <BarkingFish> it will now, I had to manually select obex-data-server
[16:22] <BarkingFish> hm. It's saying "No adapters found".
[16:23]  * BarkingFish growls
[16:23] <BarkingFish> Bus 004 Device 022: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode)
[16:25] <BluesKaj> there's some reall bugs on this distro ,, I'm a bit pi**ed about the internet apps not installing properly in their correct paths and then when they're moved to the correct dirs ,the executables can't be found
[16:25] <BluesKaj> like google-earth
[16:25] <BluesKaj> installing lsb-core doesn't help
[16:29] <BarkingFish> bbiab, gonna reboot
[17:28] <JuJuBee> How can I remove akonadi from my system?
[17:28] <JuJuBee> something keeps starting it and it uses almost 140MB of disk space for each of my students even thought they don't use it.
[17:43] <Abhijit> hi. alt f1 or super key for brining the menu bar is not working. how to reassing it. in kubuntu 11.10. help please
[17:45] <Abhijit> this happend after i removed and added the default panel.
[18:01] <TheLastProject> I hate this...
[18:01] <TheLastProject> I have random Plasma Desktop Shells crashes daily now, but I can't report because I don't know what I did to cause it...
[18:03] <TheLastProject> What? Again? You can't seriously crash every 2 minutes...
[18:03] <Daskreech> jamil_1: Still here?
[18:03] <Daskreech> !webcam
[18:06] <Abhijit> yes my plasma is crashing always
[18:09] <Daskreech> Damn missed Abhijit
[18:09] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: Did you add the default panel?
[18:09] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Add the default panel? What do you mean?
[18:10] <Daskreech> There is a bug in the system tray that will cause it to kill the panel in a way that will shutdown all of plasma. Known bug fixed in the next release (two or so weeks away)
[18:10] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: I meant more like, what is the default panel? This thing that Windows users would call a taskbar?
[18:11] <Daskreech> It's a panel configuration with a Menu, Desktop Pager, Taskbar manager, clock and a system tray
[18:11] <Daskreech> the "normal" panel
[18:13] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Ah, okay, then I probably have that because I never changed something about the panel. Good to know, thank you for the info.
[18:14] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: try removing the system tray and see if it helps any
[18:14] <Daskreech> You will lose the little minimized icons and the notifications sliding up
[18:15] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Thanks for the tip but... I NEED the system tray pretty much constantly so I'll keep up with the random crashes and self-restoring after a few seconds then =/
[18:15] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: does it invoke dr konqui ?
[18:16] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: invoke, that's a work that I still somewhat understand, but what is dr konqui? X_X
[18:17] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: normally when a KDE program crashes it has a little dialog box that asks if yo uwould like to file a bug and then walks you through the steps for making a better bug report
[18:17] <Daskreech> certain types of crashes don't call it up I don't recall my recent plasma cashes doing that
[18:17] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Ah, yes, that pops up every time it crashes. I have that on my screen this very moment, just checking if I can report it somewhere
[18:18] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: I found one bug talking about the Amarok and Clementine tray icon. Seeing as I use Clementine, that may be related to it in some way o,o
[18:19] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: alright it will probably ask you to install some debug packages then it will search through the kde bug reports to find similar crashes. If it is the bug I told you about then it should be fixed already and you can (maybe) suffer for a litle longer
[18:19] <Daskreech>  If it's not been marked as fixed you can add your description of what happens so the developers can have more information on what's happening
[18:19] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Yep, got the debug packages already. Guess I'll just wait and check if it still happens the next time it updates, otherwise I'll file a report. Don't know how else I should know if it's that bug or not =/
[18:21] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: the second to last step of reporting the bug is that it will find any other crashes that look very similar to yours and ask you if you think they are the same. It will show the crash information side by side so you can see if they look about the same
[18:21] <Daskreech> Even if you don't really understand them they will look very similar so you can just add your information to that bug (assuming it's not closed)
[18:22] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: do you have an account on bugs.kde.org ?
[18:22] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Yeah, I'm comparing the backtraces now. I guess the threat ID and LWP is different every time? And yes, I do have an account there
[18:23] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: an ID should be different :)
[18:23] <Daskreech> I forget what the LWP is >_>
[18:26] <TheLastProject> Daskreech: Looks like pretty much everything is marked as a duplicate and closed. Oh well, I don't think I have anything special to add, I'll just wait.
[18:30] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: should get the fixes with the KDE 4.7.4 update
[18:30] <jimmy51__> a week ago i started getting this message when trying to install updates "the package that is being modified was not found on your system or in any software origin."
[18:30] <Daskreech> My kmail was crashing everytime I sent mail or tried to fetch a number of messages
[18:30] <jimmy51__> this only happens in Apper, the other pgk mgmt app works (muon, i think)
[18:30] <Daskreech>  Tried to file a bug and they said it was all fixe
[18:31] <Daskreech> d KDE 4.7.3 came out and everything worked again ^_^
[18:42] <aboudreault> Hi. any important issue in kubuntu 11.10 ? Just wondering, I'm about to download it... otherwise will get natty
[18:46] <Daskreech> aboudreault: Umm.. Not sure
[18:46] <jimmy51_> apper is giving me this when i try to install updates: "the package that is being modified was not found on your system or in any software origin."
[18:46] <jimmy51_> muon installs updates without trouble.  any ideas?
[18:46] <Daskreech> which package ?
[18:47] <TheLastProject> aboudreault: Task manager icons randomly ask for attention even though they don't need it
[18:47] <jimmy51_> Daskreech: i dunno... when i click details it says "couldn't find package"
[18:47] <TheLastProject> Most annoying bug atm, beside the random crashing of KDE that's supposingly fixed in 2 weeks
[18:47] <aboudreault> hmm, not critical, but certainly annoying yea/
[18:47] <Daskreech> TheLastProject: Yeah 4.7.2 introduced a set of strange plasma bugs
[18:48] <Daskreech> jimmy51_: Does  the packages you expect to be updated update?
[18:48] <Daskreech>  or is that a blocking error?
[18:49] <jimmy51_> nothing updates.  it just bails.  i'm currently going through package by package to update and see if it's a certain one.
[18:50] <Daskreech> jimmy51_: hopefully that's not a lot of packages
[18:50]  * Daskreech says as he has 121 updates waiting
[18:51] <Resistance> Daskreech:  that's better than my server..
[18:51] <Resistance> its got 245 updates :/
[18:51] <Daskreech> Servers I might be more conservative on
[18:52] <Resistance> s/server/Kubuntu + server stuffs/
[18:52] <Daskreech> granted most of my updates are for Wireless drivers and bluetooth on my desktop that has neither
[18:54] <jimmy51__> Daskreech: it started a week ago.  i've been installing an update at a time since then as time allowed.  i'm down to about 12.
[19:11] <jimmy51__> hmm
[19:11] <jimmy51__> down to two
[19:12] <jimmy51__> flashplugin-downloader
[19:12] <jimmy51__> that's the culprit!
[19:16] <BluesKaj> jimmy51__, 11.10 64bit?
[19:16] <jimmy51__> BluesKaj: bingo
[19:17] <BluesKaj> jimmy51__, make sure you place the libflashplayer.so in /usr/libs
[19:18] <jimmy51__> BluesKaj: will that cause any trouble in the future?
[19:19] <jimmy51__> BluesKaj: also, right now flash works well... i just get an error when i get a sfotware update notification and try to install it
[19:19] <Daskreech> jimmy51__: Down to two wow :)
[19:22] <BluesKaj> jimmy51__, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is the correct path
[19:22] <jimmy51__> BluesKaj: ok... so after an 11.10 install, i'll have to remember to find that file (libflashplayer.so) and copy it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
[19:23] <jimmy51__> (to prevent this error when i try to install updates)
[19:23] <BluesKaj> ok, that's because the update wants to install that damn nspluginwrapper
[19:23] <BluesKaj> which shouldn't evem be in the repos for 64bit
[19:24] <BluesKaj> I'm getting fed up with all the bugs in 11.10 , IMO it's trhe worst yet
[19:26] <BluesKaj> yes to you  last question , jimmy51__
[19:26] <BluesKaj> your
[19:27] <engromada> i've installed an alternative window manager and when i log into it, i can't get any sound to work. tried alsamixer, but all avaliable volumes were set max.
[19:27] <AciD_> jimmy51__ / BluesKaj> for info I have a symbolic link in that folder flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin
[19:27] <engromada> is there some command i must issue which was being automatically run by the default WM?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> jimmy51__, it may install to the correct path and it may not ...kind of hit or miss.... a link might work , I didn't have one
[19:29] <jimmy51__> sigh
[19:29] <jimmy51__> this is my first annoying thing i've hit in 11.10 so far.  i suppose i shouldn't be surprised it is flash related.
[19:32] <engromada> "sudo aplay -l" is listing my sound devices, and i'm using kbuntu 11.10 with the window manager: stumpWM
[19:35] <Daskreech> engromada: is your user in the audio group ?
[19:36] <AciD_> jimmy51__: you are then lucky ; from my pov, so far, akonadi is a pita, kde sound sometimes just stops working and there is still no functional way to not get stuck into a 'black-screen-for-you-since-you-tried-to-use-an-external-projector-with-the-fn-shortcut-key'
[19:37] <genii-around> How can you be using kubuntu when you're using stumpwm ?
[19:37] <jimmy51__> AciD_: yikes!  that doesn't sound like fun.  i don't know what akonadi is but mine must be working :).
[19:37] <engromada> my user is in the audio group, if i log the user in using the default WM, sound is fine
[19:38] <AciD_> jimmy51__: akonadi is the new engine for managing PIM info (mail, calendar, notes, etc.)
[19:38] <AciD_> I'm sure it's ok when you don't have years for data to migrate though..
[19:39] <jimmy51__> AciD_: ah.  is that related to the envelope in the notification area by the clock?  if so... that thing sure doesn't seem to be reliable.
[19:39] <AciD_> but apart from those problems, the last version of kde is great !
[19:39] <AciD_> jimmy51__: I don't use the enveloppe, but I guess it's related
[19:40] <AciD_> do you use kmail or kontact ?
[19:41] <engromada> Daskreech: if i log the user in using the default WM, sound is fine. (i think that means it's in the audo group)
[19:42] <Daskreech> might just mean that pulseaudio is kicking in. but type "groups" in the terminal to see what groups you are in
[19:43] <engromada> yeah i failed! i'm not in the audio group!
[19:43] <engromada> thanks, hopefully that'll sort it
[19:51] <engromada> I'm thinking perhaps my audio drivers aren't starting. trying to find out how i determine the names of the drivers so i can try to start em!
[20:01] <adarshajoisa> how do i make my okular read chm documents?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> engromada, aplay -l will list the soundcard
[20:07] <engromada> what about driver info? i'm trying to run "sudo modprobe snd-[NAME OF YOUR SOUNDCARD'S DRIVER]" from the community support page
[20:10] <genii-around> If you know the VENDOR:DEVICE-ID code of your soundcard it would help to know what driver it's supposed to use. If it's a pci device you can usually see it at the end of each device line with: lspci -nn
[20:10] <BluesKaj> en
[20:11] <BluesKaj> modprobe loads the driver if it's available engromada .lspci -nn | grep -i audio should show it
[20:11] <engromada> okay, let me try that
[20:12] <BluesKaj> engromada, you can always pastebin the output so we can have a look
[20:13] <t0ntin> hi all. Some task bar items (programs, folders) appear to the left side of the ones already open. Is there a way to fix that?
[20:15] <BluesKaj> engromada, some cards don't show the exact module name , try this command instead , cat /proc/asound/modules
[20:15] <engromada> http://pastebin.com/n9YugWRM okay, didn't think of that, that was my output
[20:16] <engromada> okay my output for that one is http://pastebin.com/6bFNLWUc
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ok the default is card 0 , snd_hda_intel, engromada , so sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel , should load it if it isn't already
[20:19] <t0ntin> hi all. Some task bar items (programs, folders) appear to the left side of the ones already open. Is there a way to fix that?
[20:19] <BluesKaj> engromada, also check alsmixer in the terminal, make sure the auto mute hasn't muted the master ctrl or any relavent vol ctrls
[20:20] <BluesKaj> err alsamixer
[20:22] <engromada> hmm, strange.
[20:22] <engromada> all my levels are fine, nothing is muted
[20:22] <engromada> this is really bizzare
[20:27] <BluesKaj> engromada, ok open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, add this line if it isn't already there , options snd_hda_intel index=0 , save the file
[20:27] <BluesKaj> then run sudo alsa force-reload
[20:28] <BluesKaj> engromada, open that file with root permissions
[20:31] <engromada> WIN!
[20:31] <engromada> three nice buckets of eternal gratitude to you, sir/maddam!
[20:32] <engromada> is that going to automagically work each time i log in now?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> engromada, it should , if alsa loads it will as well :)
[20:37] <engromada> beautiful. i hope some day i'll be able to sort stuff out for people like that. so incredibly much to learn
[20:40] <BluesKaj> engromada, I installed anew m-audio soundcard a while back and it took me 10 days of googling and searching the internet for clues on various tutorails on how to fix my no soundcard recognition probl, so put all the knowledge into atextfile so i wouldn't forget ...learned some stuff along the way :)
[20:43] <BluesKaj> engromada, I wish there was amore systematic approach one could take to solve sound probs, but it's difficult when even withe same soundcard and drivers differnt problems arise ,, there's no logic to it
[20:44] <engromada> i just stuck all your advice into a file, too! I knew i should come here after about an hour of google-frustration... lots of clued-up people in here!
[20:44] <BluesKaj> we learn from experience :)
[20:45] <engromada> with that glorious sucsess, i'm off to the pub for a swift couple! thanks :)
[20:46] <BluesKaj> engromada, np , have fun :)
[20:49] <andantino> just installed kubuntu and i cannot figure out how to set my clock to 12 hour time
[20:56] <genii-around> In case others want to know: System settings... Common appearance and Behavior section .. Locale ... Date and Time tab on right ... put pH:MM:SS AMPM  in field labelled Time Format, hit Apply
[20:57] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah that procedure works in 11.10 , but it didn't work for me in 11.04
[20:57] <genii-around> Interesting
[20:58] <BluesKaj> it kept reverting to 24 hrs time even with AM:PM
[20:59] <BluesKaj> or UTC or martial or what ever it's called these days
[20:59] <Lug> bonsoir
[20:59] <BluesKaj> good day
[21:00] <Lug> not so bad and you
[21:00] <BluesKaj> good thanks
[21:00] <Lug> where are you from ?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> Lug, do you have a question ?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> about kubuntu.
[21:02] <BarkingFish> !info opensync-module-python oneiric
[21:02] <BarkingFish> !info opensync-module-python
[21:36] <kubb> I am using Linux kubuntu 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:36] <kubb> Linux kubuntu 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:37] <kubb> and have HP C7280 printer. When I turn the printer off it hangs the system. Anyone know where I can report this bug
[21:39] <kubb> This guy has the same problem https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=126251
[21:42] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[22:00] <kubb> Re printer bug reported earlier it does not crash with kernel v<IP_ADDRESS> so pproblem is with <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:14] <Unit193> FloodBotK2 is so greedy...
[22:19] <TheLastProject> Dammit FloodBot, stop flooding the chat!
[22:32] <mime1111> any idea to make work auto-hide in crystal? thnx ppl
[23:42] <carlo> salve
[23:44] <thormchristensen> hi all
[23:44] <fire`lala> hi
[23:44] <thormchristensen> anyone familiar with both fedora and ubuntu?
[23:45] <fire`lala> does anyone experience a crashing plasma-desktop with 4.7.3?
[23:45] <thormchristensen> i cant use wireless on my laptop under ubuntu, but it works in fedora


[21:11] <ojwb> morning
[21:27] <Atamira> morning
[21:27] <Atamira> tho..its saturday
[21:27] <Atamira> its normally quiet on the weekend


[00:51] <wobbiebobbie> hi room
[00:51] <wobbiebobbie> will a dell dimension 5150 dual core 145gig harddrive make a good server
[00:53] <owh> For what?
[00:57] <wobbiebobbie> I want to make a server for my family who are out of state to access for picture sharing
[00:58] <wobbiebobbie> this 10meg email limit is killing me
[00:58] <owh> How much RAM for this beast?
[00:59] <wobbiebobbie> well it can hold 4gigs
[00:59] <wobbiebobbie> I was going to put 2 500gig hard drives in it
[00:59] <kgoetz> i think what you need is a p2 433, with 256mb of ram, and adsl2 or greater
[01:00] <wobbiebobbie> is that all
[01:00] <wobbiebobbie> will that hold ubuntu server
[01:00] <kgoetz> bump it to a 667 with 512mb of ram if your hosting images+thumbnails in a website
[01:00] <wobbiebobbie> and run it
[01:00] <owh> wobbiebobbie: So can I, but seriously, you need to think about what use it's going to be put to. If you're going to run 17 zillion web-apps, then you need a big machine, but if it's going to be doing bugger all, then it can be the size kgoetz suggests.
[01:01] <wobbiebobbie> I just like to set it up to share pictures and file with my family though a FTP
[01:02] <kgoetz> let ftp die. use some other protocol
[01:02] <wobbiebobbie> like what I dont know
[01:03] <wobbiebobbie> I have ubuntu gusty but have not used ubuntu server
[01:03] <kgoetz> http at a pinch, ssh if posible,
[01:03] <kgoetz> http wouldnt be such a bad idea, imho.
[01:04] <wobbiebobbie> is there a how to for ubuntu server
[01:04] <kgoetz> theres a server guide on help.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <wobbiebobbie> thanks I will check it out
[01:05] <wobbiebobbie> heck I was going to buy a server from dell thanks guys
[01:06] <kgoetz> heh. np. feel free to ask if you need a hand (afer checking th docs :P)
[01:06] <wobbiebobbie> ok thanks
[01:08] <owh> kgoetz: You know we're going to get more questions about setting up a server to share photos with the family don't you :)
[01:08] <kgoetz> owh: how hard can it be? intall ubuntu server -> use lamp task -> log in to server -> mkdir public_html -> photos in public_html -> ??? -> profit
[01:09] <owh> ROTFL
[01:09] <owh> kgoetz: So how's sunny ADE?
[01:09]  * owh hasn't opened the curtains here yet.
[01:09] <kgoetz> owh: sunny, for two days in a row
[01:09] <owh> Whoa, there's sun here too!
[01:09] <kgoetz> :O
[01:09] <kgoetz> quick, hide before it sees you!
[01:10]  * owh blinks in the bright light.
[01:11]  * kgoetz is at work battling php/mediawiki/ldap (and all that it entails)
[01:12] <owh> Oooh, let me know what you think about mediawiki when you're done. I'm looking at using it for a project or six.
[01:12] <kgoetz> making it use htauth is easy (then use apache to backend to ldap), but using mediawikis ldap plugins ... not so easy. i expect today is a day of doco reading and code poking for me
[01:13] <kgoetz> other then the php thing, i quite like mediawiki
[01:20] <owh> kgoetz: I've been playing with PHP for longer than I care to admit. I think it was still called FI, or some-such, PHP2.
[01:20] <kgoetz> hehe
[02:05] <docta_v> if i add a new SATA device to a live system is there a way I can make the kernel/driver rescan the bus?
[02:43] <owh> docta_v: Under dapper I played with rescan_scsi_bus or some such script, but it was never very successful.
[02:50] <docta_v> owh: cool.. i don't think it's going to work on this system
[02:51] <docta_v> in dmesg it says it shutdown the port
[02:51] <docta_v> i'm emailing the devs and telling them to get off the box tomorrow at lunch so i can take it down
[02:59] <owh> docta_v: Really it should be plug and detect and I've been stumped on how to achieve that.
[03:11] <docta_v> owh: well you need the right controller in addition to the right kernel, etc.
[03:11] <docta_v> my controller is silicon images
[03:12] <docta_v> and all of their hardware is garbage so i'm assuming that's why it doesn't work
[03:12] <owh> :)
[03:14] <docta_v> i think you can do scsiadd -s
[03:14] <docta_v> provided your controller handles the hot-plug
[03:33] <owh> docta_v: I recall that command, but not the outcome, other than that it didn't work at the time. Something to do with a timeout IIRC, but that might be a reflection on poor hardware as you already commented on.
[03:47] <stevet> Hey guys I'm having an issue with installing x11 on an old machine running server 8.04
[03:47] <stevet> I get the error : Framebuffer bpp 32 not supported for this chipset
[03:51] <maestrolinux> los invitamos a #linux-para-todos >>>  Un canal libre para la Gente Libre, donde tratamos de ayudar sin tantas reglas, donde esta permitido expresarse, copiar y pegar, y ser un poco mas abierto. donde no importa un pais, sino la libertad de usar Linux.
[03:53] <owh> maestrolinux: English around here...
[04:44] <lukehasnoname> a free route for free people, where we can try to help without as much regulation, where one is permitted to express, copy and paste, and be a little more open, where country is not important, "sino" the freedom to use Linux.
[04:45] <Deeps> sino, but rather
[04:45] <lukehasnoname> ah
[04:46] <lukehasnoname> So, I had this idea, about having a setup in tasksel to let people choose what scripting backend to have on their LAMP: PHP, Python or Ruby(oR), with the click of a checkbox. Is something similar to this being worked on, or should I formally bring this up somewhere?
[04:47] <Deeps> missing the other P (Perl)
[04:47] <lukehasnoname> ya, sry, I'm not a perl guy
[04:48] <lukehasnoname> but yes
[05:12] <owh> lukehasnoname: That's an excellent idea.
[05:12] <owh> lukehasnoname: Send an email to the list and ask for some other opinion would be my first recommendation.
[08:06] <kraut> moin
[08:07] <lukehasnoname> moin
[08:27] <elnewb> What is "Framebuffer bpp"?
[08:27] <_ruben> bits per pixel i'd guess
[08:27] <_ruben> and thus the color depth of the pixels of your framebuffer/console
[08:28] <elnewb> Ah k thank you
[09:30] <LiniX> Hi., I have problem about mail server ., Can you help me?. Please
[09:31] <_ruben> no, we cant, since we dont know what the problem is
[09:32] <LiniX> Ohh.....
[09:32] <LiniX> I use courier-maildrop from apt-get. and i create user vmail  for maildrop
[09:34] <LiniX> when i use maildrop from root accout it say " maildrop: Changing to /home/vmail/npt.com" and it right!
[09:35] <LiniX> but when i use maildrop from vmail account, it say "maildrop: Changing to /home/vmail" and i wrong
[09:36] <LiniX> i am forgetful , i use courier-authlib-ldap. and i get user account from ldap.
[09:36] <LiniX> :-(
[09:36] <LiniX> so i try change vmail 's home directory
[09:36] <LiniX> export HOME = /
[09:37] <LiniX> and use maildrop again, it say "maildrop: Changing to /"
[09:38] <LiniX> i don't know where is make problem
[09:57] <LiniX> - -
[09:58] <ajmitch> sorry, I've only used dovecot & exim for mail, I can't help
[10:00] <LiniX> thank you , no at all :-)
[10:11] <elnewb> Even though this is a more general ubuntu question.   I use it on an older system, and will be upgrading to hardy soon
[10:46] <moldy> then you're in for some trouble
[10:46] <moldy> i now found out: using "exclude .gvfs" rather than "exclude .gvfs/" works around the problem
[10:46] <jimcooncat> can you just turn off gvfs?
[10:46] <moldy> not easily, afaik
[10:47] <moldy> root not being allowed to read stuff ist just plain idiotic...
[10:47] <moldy> what are the fuse guys thinking...
[10:47] <jimcooncat> fuse guys or nautilus guys?
[10:47] <moldy> afaik, it's a fuse thing
[10:47] <moldy> fuse mounts are only readable by the owner, not by root. idiotic.
[10:51] <jimcooncat> To lift this restriction for all users or for just root, mount the filesystem with the "-oallow_other" or "-oallow_root" mount option, respectively. Non-root users can only use these mount options if "user_allow_other" is specified in /etc/fuse.conf.
[10:51] <jimcooncat> moldy: found above on fuse wiki. But I only understand half of it
[10:53] <moldy> jimcooncat: hm, i think i understand it
[10:53] <moldy> what i don't know is where/how gnome issues the mount command
[10:53] <moldy> and where you can manipulate it to include -oallow_root
[10:54] <moldy> there also is a bug in the ubuntu bts about this
[10:54] <jimcooncat> moldy: maybe you could manually mount it?
[10:54] <moldy> it's somehow magically mounted upon login or something like that
[10:55] <moldy> using "exclude .gvfs" is the best workaround i found so far
[11:01] <moldy> i can see why the fuse guys are doing this for *some* cases (remote mounts)
[11:01] <moldy> but in the usual case it's just idiotic... the default should be changed
[12:18] <sommer> morning all
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[12:20] <Gargoyle> hello
[12:29] <siretart> kirkland: if you have some time, could you please review the patch that we have in cryptsetup for the additional 'waiting-for-root' loop? http://paste.ubuntu.com/43031/
[12:29] <siretart> kirkland: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/251164/comments/6 claims that the current approach will break the failure hooks
[12:30] <siretart> kirkland: I also think that the current patch is not optimal, so I'd like to have some expert's opinion on this
[12:59] <zul> morning
[13:13] <reya276> morning
[13:13] <reya276> should this be present in a users directory "/home/karla/ /crond/<IP_ADDRESS>.user2:"
[13:14] <reya276> I had a virus infect this particular user email box  called
[13:14] <reya276> Linux/Rst.a
[13:53] <kirkland> siretart: I'm happy to review the patch, but you're generous in calling me an "expert" ;-)
[14:41] <mdz> zul: are you asking for my dovecot.conf and sieve.conf because you believe they are necessary to diagnose the bug, or just as a matter of course?
[14:42] <mdz> zul: because I think I understand the problem already and it has nothing to do with my configuration
[14:42] <zul> mdz: thinking about it now just the sieve.conf
[14:44] <siretart> kirkland: :-)
[14:44] <kirkland> siretart: i'm reviewing it now
[14:45] <mdz> zul: you can reproduce it with a one-line sieve.conf as follows:
[14:45] <mdz> zul: if header :contains "Subject" "blahblahblah" { discard; }
[14:45] <siretart> kirkland: in case it's useful for you, you might want to checkout the bzr branch on launchpad. it has the debian source imported in its history, so you can compare files against the version in debian like you can see in the paste
[14:45] <zul> mdz: thanks
[14:45] <siretart> kirkland: thanks!
[14:45] <zul> mdz: will try to get it fixed today
[14:45] <kirkland> siretart: can you give me the lp URL?
[14:45] <siretart> kirkland: apt-cache showsrc cryptsetup ;)
[14:46] <siretart> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/cryptsetup/ubuntu
[14:46] <mdz> zul: I believe the problem is that the subject contains MIME-encoded newlines
[14:46] <mdz> Subject: =?windows-1255?Q?=E0=E9=EE=E5=EF_=E0=E9=F9=E9_=EC=E9=F8=E9=E3=E4_=E1=E8=E5=E7=E4_=E1=EE=F9=F7=EC=0D=0A?=
[14:46] <siretart> or 'bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/cryptsetup/ubuntu', if you intend to commit
[14:46] <mdz> note =0D=0A
[14:46] <zul> mdz: there might be a fix in the dovecot mercurcial repos already I just have to test it out
[14:58] <kirkland> siretart: I'm inclined to agree with ceg, though, that cryptroot should be able use the failurehooks like we recently did for md
[15:00] <kirkland> siretart: the panic -r call is what starts the failure hooks
[15:04] <siretart> kirkland: I'm not familiar at all with the failurehooks. Unless you can point me to documentation how it is supposed to work, could you perhaps give the cryptroot hook a shot to make it work gracefully with the failurehooks?
[15:04] <kirkland> siretart: that's what I'm looking at now ;-)
[15:06] <siretart> :-)
[15:06] <kirkland> siretart: for documentation, see the comment in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions:try_failure_hooks()
[15:07] <kirkland> siretart: (assuming you're on an up-to-date Intrepid system)
[15:07] <kirkland> siretart: otherwise, initramfs-tools-0.92bubuntu10/scripts/functions
[15:08] <siretart> aah, I see
[15:08] <kirkland> siretart: so you'd put some magic in /tmp/mountroot-fail-hooks.d/cryptroot
[15:09] <w8tah> where is the doc that tells me how to upgrade from 6.04lts to hardy lts?
[15:10] <w8tah> for server -- i cant seem to put my keys on it today
[15:15] <kirkland> siretart: okay, and for your example, apt-get source mdadm; vi mdadm-2.6.7/debian/initramfs/init-premount
[15:15] <kirkland> siretart: you'll see at the bottom of that script it "installs itself" with add_mountroot_fail_hook "10-mdadm"
[15:16] <kirkland> siretart: and note that it exits "0" when it thinks that it has done some good, "1" otherwise
[15:43] <ScottK> lamont: I see in debian/changelog you added my filter/policy server scripts to postfix, but I don't actually find them when I inspect the .deb?
[15:44] <ScottK> And with that, I run out the door for several hours.
[15:44] <lamont> meh
[15:45] <lamont> dpkg -L postfix| grep add
[15:45] <lamont> /usr/sbin/postfix-add-policy
[15:45] <lamont> seems there for me....
[15:47] <lamont> heh.  OTOH, I guess I should deliver manpages, too. :-(
[15:47] <lamont> in section 8, not 1
[16:19] <siretart> kirkland: I don't know if I'll have time to test and implement the failure hooks myself for cryptsetup. if you have some spare time, I'd really appreciate it if you would do it
[16:19] <kirkland> siretart: I'll see what I can do......
[16:19] <kirkland> siretart: can you detail how to reproduce the failure case?
[16:19] <kirkland> siretart: such that I can test the work I would theoretically do for you?
[16:22] <siretart> kirkland: AFAIUI boot from root on usb would trigger it. I never experienced that personally yet.
[16:24] <kirkland> siretart: boot from crypted root on usb, you mean?
[16:25] <siretart> yes
[16:27] <kirkland> siretart: you think usb flash disk is sufficient?
[16:27] <kirkland> siretart: i have a few of those lying around ;-)
[16:28] <siretart> kirkland: if it has an on board ide/sata controller, then probably not. a normal usb stick should do it however
[16:28] <siretart> kirkland: a really slow scsi control should trigger it as well, though
[16:28] <siretart> the point of the excercise is to have a really slow controller for the root device
[16:28] <kirkland> siretart: sorry, yeah, i mean normal usb stick
[16:30] <siretart> yes, something like that should trigger it. it depends a bit on the usb controller, but usually, they take a loooooong time to initialize
[17:06] <bogey-> that bug is now owned by carl
[17:09] <wayneandleanne> can somebody tell me how east it is to setup software raid on ubuntu server?
[17:10] <soren> Quite.
[17:11] <wayneandleanne> soren: how quite?
[17:11] <ScottK> I was going to say it depends on where you live.
[17:14] <soren> wayneandleanne: Depends. Do you have a unit of measurement?
[17:15] <soren> wayneandleanne: It's really quite easy.
[17:16] <lukehasnoname`> Is it 'open a jar of pickles' easy, or 'installing KVM' easy?
[17:16] <wayneandleanne> ok, i have a machine i want to run ubuntu server on (dns, samba, asterisk,etc) for home use in has a 40 gb drive i am going to install server onto and a pair of 80's i want to mirror but i dont know how to
[17:18] <soren> In the installer, for each partition you want to mirror, you create a partition on each disk.
[17:18] <soren> You mark this as a "raid member".
[17:18] <soren> Once you've done that you choose to "configure software raid".
[17:18] <soren> In there, you create the raid devices and add your filesystems to that.
[17:18] <soren> That's about it.
[17:18] <wayneandleanne> that easy?
[17:19] <wayneandleanne> thanks
[17:19] <soren> np
[17:23] <wayneandleanne> soren: is it basically the same steps to add extra hd's at a later date?
[17:33] <foolano> hi there!
[17:34] <lukehasnoname`> yo
[18:03] <nealmcb> nijaba: this may scare some people off: "The record kept of your survey responses does not contain any identifying information about you unless a specific question in the survey has asked for this."   do we want to clarify that (as I assume) such revealing responses will only be used for aggregate statistics and not be combined with other responses in ways that would compromise privacy?
[18:05] <nijaba> nealmcb: did you see the link to the privacy policy?
[18:05] <nealmcb> yes - but many may ignore that...
[18:07] <nijaba> nealmcb: well, if they are scared and don't read the privacy policy, I guess they won't take the survey and that's it....
[18:11] <nijaba> nealmcb: the truth is, I am not sure how to prevent this text from appearing
[18:12] <nealmcb> nijaba: yeah - gotta warn them.
[18:13] <nealmcb> If any better ways to defuse that occur to me I'll pass them along....
[18:13] <nijaba> thnaks
[18:13] <nijaba> thanks too
[18:13]  * nealmcb wonders if thnaks taste good
[18:14] <nijaba> must be a snack with a french accent
[18:16] <leonel> ScottK: is someone in pkg-debian working on this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/43105/  ??
[18:17] <ScottK> leonel: Not that I've heard.  They are still just getting started, so I think we should proceed as normal (you're welcome to join BTW, I've just not caught up with you to say so).
[18:18] <leonel> ScottK:  count me on ..
[18:18] <leonel> ScottK: I'll start checking diffs for those 2  later this day or tomorrow
[18:19] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:41] <leonel> ScottK: clamav-0.94 introduced libclamav.so.5 ...
[18:51]  * delcoyote hi
[20:00] <jpds> mathiaz: The server guide is at the same place as the other Ubuntu documentation?
[20:00] <mathiaz> jpds: yes
[20:01] <jpds> mathiaz: OK; I will have a crack on it tomorrow.
[20:01] <mathiaz> jpds: we trying to figure out a way to move it around - but it's not done yet
[20:01] <mathiaz> jpds: so you'll have to checkout all of the documentation which can take some time the first time
[20:01] <jpds> mathiaz: I know, I've done it before. I used to write on the PackagingGuide long ago.
[20:06] <Laleh> hello all, I have a problem for two weeks, I installed a pptp vpn server to my company, I use dydns to keep track of the ip,  I have three servers www, dns, and samba, the router is the gateway, when my clients connect, they suffer from a very slow connection because they use my dns instead of their own one
[20:16] <ScottK> leonel: Yep.  We get to rebuild and fix all the rdepends again.
[20:27] <didrocks> jdstrand: hi. From your tests, it is not possible to define an Apache and on ApachE profile. But this is possible and can work when you do manual test… (I handled it specifically in my code)
[20:34] <didrocks> jdstrand: ok, my bad, I adapted the result file. The only thing is that all profiles in tests/$class/$subclass/orig/* are the same: not symlink but hard copy. Why? (I have to copy my profile changes in every */orig directories)
[20:58] <jdstrand> didrocks: actually, it should be a symlink to tests/defaults
[20:58] <jdstrand> didrocks: but it seems bzr isn't doing that right (or I'm not)
[20:58] <jdstrand> (probably the latter)
[20:59] <didrocks> ok, so, for the moment, I will try to retablish this
[20:59] <jdstrand> didrocks: you are working off the bzr branch, correct?
[20:59] <didrocks> I am adding some tests (I will have to stop because of giving a talk in -classroom), but I will keep you in touch
[20:59] <didrocks> for the tests? I am working in my branch, why?
[21:00] <jdstrand> didrocks: I was just trying to figure out if it was 'bzr export' or not
[21:00] <jdstrand> I'll look into it
[21:01] <didrocks> ok, I will keep every changes in a dedicated place
[21:30] <ScottK> mathiaz: Are you tracking updates to the Server seed or is that assigned to someone else?
[21:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: hey, are you around?
[23:04] <mathiaz> ScottK: I don't know of anyone assigned to track seed updates for the server team - any core-dev can change the seeds AFAICT.
[23:04] <mathiaz> kirkland: yop :)
[23:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: no worries, i think kees answered my questions, thx!


[01:56] <jderose> Hello, I just became an Ubuntu member and was wondering if someone could setup an IRC cloak for me. My lp profile - https://launchpad.net/~jderose
[01:57] <nhandler> jussi, tsimpson, Pici, topyli:  ^^^
[01:57] <jderose> nhandler: thanks :)
[09:04] <i5noc^3> sigh
[09:10] <i5noc^3> ok w/e i dont see it easily
[09:10] <i5noc^3> who's running things up in this joint
[09:10] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: Myrtti; etc i see ya
[09:10] <tsimpson> yes? what can we help you with?
[09:11] <jpds> !irccouncil
[09:11] <i5noc^3> lets go out on a limb and say since im' banned from my preferred channel for the discussion ive come to the one which was indicated it would be appropriate in
[09:12] <i5noc^3> thx jpds reading
[09:12] <tsimpson> considering the people involved don't wish to discuss it with you, no channel would be appropriate as you would be discussing it with no one else
[09:12] <i5noc^3> there we go
[09:13] <i5noc^3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/DealingWithConflict
[09:13] <i5noc^3> this should be appropriate
[09:13] <i5noc^3> tsimpson: its not your perview to decide whom you discuss issues with
[09:13] <i5noc^3> though it would certainly be to put them in the correct forum/channel
[09:13] <i5noc^3> Conflict in technical decisions
[09:13] <i5noc^3> Always adhere to the CoC. Try to stay on-topic, try to be pragmatic and goal-oriented.
[09:13] <i5noc^3> Try to get input from more people. It's important to understand the problem from all angles: Users, Sysadmins, Ubuntu, Debian, Upstream. Try to think of people who know a lot about one of these areas and the specific problem you're trying to solve.
[17:26] <tvbuntu> can i ask for some help here?
[17:27] <k1l> for support try #ubuntu
[17:28] <k1l> this is the International Ubuntu IRC operators channel
[17:28] <tvbuntu> support means what?
[17:29] <tvbuntu> i want to make a script to work with mencoder and i need some guiding
[17:29] <Tm_T> we deal here channel running matters, for getting help for running Ubuntu or apps, see #ubuntu
[17:29] <tvbuntu> is thi related to support?
[17:29] <tvbuntu> ok thanx
[17:29] <k1l> if u need help with ubuntu thats support.
[18:26] <jderose> Hello, I just became an Ubuntu member and was wondering if someone could setup an IRC cloak for me. My lp profile - https://launchpad.net/~jderose
[18:27] <erUSUL> !nicksetup
[18:27] <erUSUL> and now wait for the usual suspects to notice you ;P
[18:30] <IdleOne> Pici topyli tsimpson jussi : see jderose up there :)
[18:30] <jderose> erUSUL: thanks, I have already registered my nick (many, many moons ago). who should i ping about the cloak?
[18:30] <IdleOne> jderose: I just pinged them
[18:30] <erUSUL> jderose: IdleOne did it for you
[18:30] <IdleOne> hopefully they are active
[18:30] <topyli> i am
[18:30] <erUSUL> jderose: just making sure you have a proper email etc attached to your nick
[18:30] <IdleOne> there ya go
[18:30] <jderose> IdleOne: thanks :)
[18:30] <IdleOne> welcome
[18:31] <IdleOne> and congrats!
[18:31] <jderose> thank you!
[18:32] <topyli> staff around? we could use an ubuntu/member cloak for jderose please
[18:33] <jderose> erUSUL: so should me email be my primary launchpad email, or my shiny now @ubuntu.com alias?
[18:34] <topyli> jderose: whatever you have now is fine, you're logged in and all's well
[18:34] <jderose> topyli: okay, cool
[18:35] <erUSUL> really dunno what is preferred. a working and something you use regularly i guess. back when you registered you may have used an email account you use only for registration in sites or the like; i know i did ;P
[18:35] <topyli> yes it's better to have one that still works :)
[18:35] <jderose> was so long ago, can't remember for sure... the email is optional, isn't it?
[18:36] <jderose> how can i check what email is currently associated with my nick?
[18:37] <topyli> jderose: /msg nickserv info
[18:37] <topyli> tomaw: around?
[18:37] <jderose> okay, it's set to one of my launchpad addresses, so that should be all good
[18:48] <topyli> jderose: all set :)
[18:48] <jderose> topyli: thanks for the help!
[18:48] <IdleOne> yay!
[18:49] <topyli> :)
[18:49] <erUSUL> congrats
[18:50] <jderose> erUSUL: thanks, it's a cool feeling :)
[18:52] <IdleOne> yeah, that feeling goes away when they send you the first invoice for your membership dues
[18:52] <IdleOne> topyli: doesn't know anything about that, he doesn't pay them anyway lol
[18:52] <jderose> haha
[18:53] <topyli> yeah honorary geezers don't have to


[08:33] <crtxc> hi.  Internet where I am is very very unreliable and slow.  Is there a way to resume a branch that has been cut off?  I am trying to branch emacs and it keeps stopping, then I have to start the whole thing over.  I can't find anything via search.
[08:48] <vila> crtxc: you probably want to pull by batches, so:
[08:49] <vila> bzr init-repo emacs ; cd emacs ; bzr init trunk ; cd trunk ; bzr pull <trunk url> -r100
[08:49] <vila> then 'bzr pull -r200' until you get to the tip
[08:50] <vila> use any increment that your connection can support 1.000 10.000 100.000
[08:50] <vila> once you get the full history, things should be more reliable as you'll need to download only the new ones
[08:52] <vila> discussions about allowing more robust branching by automating the above occur from time to time but I don't remember anybody going ahead and implement it
[08:58] <mgz> morning all
[09:01] <crtxc> vila, oh, ok.  I never came across -r200, that sounds much better for lower the probability of line failure.  Ty very much.
[09:03] <vila> mgz: _o/
[09:07] <crtxc> vila, is -r revision ARG?  I am trying to find it in the man.
[09:08] <vila> yup
[09:09] <crtxc> vila, hats off to ya, that is a very clever solution. :)
[09:09] <crtxc> ty
[09:11] <vila> yeah, I learned a few tricks by lurking in this channel so these kudos are really for more than me (/me blushing)
[09:12] <crtxc> if you have a web site or a blog you might want to make a small post and get some traffic with that.  I see a few people had trouble with that.  :)  Then kudos to all who have good brains. :)
[09:13] <crtxc> :)
[09:14]  * fullermd is willing to accept any and all credit.
[09:14] <crtxc> :)
[09:15] <vila> ha, right, yeah, that's all fullermd fault, now that you mention it :)
[09:15] <vila> 's ?
[09:17] <crtxc> fullermd has been so kind for hidding the i an n between the m and d.  If fullermd weren't so shy it would be fullermind for all to see.  :)
[09:19] <fullermd> Here now.  *I* handle the bad puns around here.  You're on my turf, sparky!
[09:19] <crtxc> :)
[11:13] <jelmer> hah, finally figured out what the trouble was with those multiple upstream tarballs
[11:14] <vila> jelmer: \o/ ?
[11:15] <vila> planets should be well aligned, my wifi problem just... resolved itself (using canal 6 instead of 13 *cannot* be related right ? Not when the only laptop that was hanging trying to connect is mine, right ?)
[11:18] <mgz> wifi goes by water in france :)
[11:23] <quicksilver> antenna in your laptop is damaged and finds some channels easier to tune than others?
[11:24] <quicksilver> the breed of chicken you sacrificed was not holy enough to use channel 13?
[11:25] <vila> goats, I always use goats... But now that you mentioned it I may have to audit my provider...
[11:38] <fullermd> I guaranteed the goats for SCSI.  I didn't say nuffin' about 802.11.
[11:55] <soren> vila: Not all wifi adapters can go up to channel 13.
[11:55] <soren> vila: I've had a few that only went up to 11.
[11:55] <mgz> I thought fullermd said he was in charge of the bad jokes...
[11:55] <vila> soren: good point, but the router upgrade triggered the issue while the previous was already using channel 13
[11:56] <fullermd> Why don't you just raise the frequency of 10 a little, and have 10 as the top channel?
[11:56] <soren> vila: Oh.
[11:56] <soren> fullermd: lol
[11:56] <vila> soren: still,  thanks for pointing that
[11:57] <vila> SCSI ? Come on ! I still have cables and even scsi drives... in my attic ! But I was clear enough when we engage on this goat deal that they won't be used outside of sabbat where virgin (and not goats) are used anyway
[11:58] <vila> (the scsi stuff I mean, not the goats)
[11:58] <vila> jelmer: what's your feeling about your reconcile proposal and bug #897487 ?
[11:59] <vila> jelmer: should the bug be a pre-requisite ? Do you think you can fix it soon ? Should we just land and see ?
[11:59] <vila> 4) should we raise the importance to high ?
[12:01] <vila> writing help thinking, so: I bumped to high and approved ;)
[12:09] <jelmer> vila: I wonder what the best way is to provide progress reports
[12:09] <jelmer> vila: if it's sufficient to just stream some data, then we can easily do that, even if it's not very useful data
[12:10] <vila> jelmer: I don't know the code well enough to say if multiplexing data and progress is easy or not, so if there is data you can stream, good enough
[12:11] <jelmer> vila: btw, on another note
[12:11] <jelmer> vila: if we're looking at fixing the import code in bzr-builddeb, I wonder if we could stream directly from the tarball into commit builder
[12:12] <jelmer> vila: I've been wondering about that previously as well, because currently we have to check out the base parent on disk, etc
[12:12] <jelmer> so it would improve performance, but it would also help my current work
[12:12] <vila> my understanding is that import is not simply a commit, there could be renames and kind changes
[12:12] <vila> and deletions, and so on
[12:13] <vila> what I don't understand though, is why we can reuse more of our existing stuff. Are renames and the like really the issue again here ?
[12:13] <jelmer> vila: deletions and so on shouldn't be a problem,
[12:13] <vila> as in: some operations cannot be automatically deduced
[12:14] <jelmer> vila: ? I don't see how that matters, the only difference is that we're reading the contents for the commit from a tarball rather than off disk.
[12:15] <vila> ha, let's sync
[12:15] <vila> I was referring to the actual implementation that seems to use a transform tree to better handle renames and file-id reuses
[12:16] <vila> you're talking about using a different source for commit, which indeed sounds like a good plan (gmta ;), but what about file-id reuse and renames ?
[12:18] <vila> are the existing tests good enough to cover that ? (obviously nothing covers bug 800270)
[12:32] <vila> jelmer: still there ?
[12:32] <mgz> I think being able to do certain transforms without having a tree on disk is something we need.
[12:34] <jelmer> vila: sorry, back now
[12:35] <jelmer> vila: I'm pretty sure there are some tests for preserving file ids
[12:36] <vila> and renames ?
[12:37] <vila> mgz: wow, you're raising the bar now ;)
[12:38] <vila> bah, pqm not using news_merge is now really going on my nerves
[12:39] <vila> hmm, could it be that pqm is using a too old bzr version...
[12:39] <vila> ... and we don't want to upgrade until that subunit/testools compat bug is fixed, I've lost track :-/
[12:40] <jelmer> vila: I think the plan also was to look at tarmac
[12:41] <vila> hehe, reading mgz proposals on the active review page is... funny: fix-bzr-subprocess followed by don-use-bzr-subprocess-after-all :)
[12:41] <vila> jelmer: yeah, better
[12:42] <vila> wwooooow, lunch time
[12:46] <mgz> hey, I said it was a bug in two halves, I just fixed both of them :)
[12:48] <crtxc> hi.  I cloned emacs.  I am not a developer.  I only want to make a copy, build emacs, then use the original to update any changes on the parent repo.  Did I do this right?  http://codepad.org/et7ETDzS
[12:51] <mgz> crtxc: you don't really need any of that except `bzr branch` for your use
[12:51] <mgz> all I'd suggest is using the launchpad mirror rather than savannah may still be faster
[12:52] <crtxc> oh.  So I just do bzr branch everytime I update?
[12:52] <mgz> no, you branch once, then you just `bzr pull` to update
[12:52] <crtxc> oh.  I overcomplicated it.
[12:53] <mgz> right, but the extra bits you did aren't harmful
[12:53] <crtxc> ok :)
[12:53] <mgz> they're just for emacs developers' funny work flows.
[12:55] <crtxc> ok.  I never did this before I only use bzr to track my text files.
[12:57] <crtxc> oops.  I just tried to bzr and I got an error.  http://codepad.org/0qXcOk71
[12:57] <crtxc> tried to bzr pull^
[12:57] <fullermd> unbind it
[12:57] <crtxc> ok.  ty.  unbind.
[13:01] <crtxc> well.  Ty very, very much for your insights all.
[13:14] <crtxc> ok.  That is it.  I should do some reading on shell scripting and c++ but my eyes are burning so ty very much
[13:14] <fullermd> A little C++ will fix that right up.
[13:14] <fullermd> There's no burning left after you gouge them out.
[13:14] <crtxc> :)
[13:15] <crtxc> I am trying to learn shell scripting, python, and c++.
[13:45] <mgz> lunchtime, prize if anyone can guess where I'm going with these mps
[13:46] <vila> lol, I was reading it and was about to ask :)
[13:46] <vila> ha, I read only one
[13:47] <jml> what's the udd mailing list?
[13:47] <jml> for lp:udd in particular, I mean.
[13:48] <vila><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:49] <vila> mgz: getting encoding right in more contexts ?
[13:49] <fullermd> mgz: To lunch.  What do I win?
[13:50] <vila> mgz: rats, lunch of course
[14:38] <chromaticwt> why learn c++ before lisp?
[16:43] <vila> mgz: I'm still holding my breath
[16:43] <wgz> it will be very exciting... maybe
[16:43] <vila> hehe
[16:44] <fullermd> I dunno, I think holding your breath that long is probably pretty boring.
[16:44] <fullermd> Maybe not for your heirs, I guess.
[16:44] <vila> she looks worried indeed
[16:45] <lamalex> jml, is there a convenient way to call testtools.run from python on all of my test_ modules?
[16:45] <jml> lamalex: 'testtools.run discover [package]' iirc
[16:46] <jml> lamalex: http://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/for-test-authors.html#running-your-tests will get it righter than me :)
[16:46] <lamalex> jml, thats from a shell though
[16:47] <jml> lamalex: what are you trying to do?
[16:48] <jml> lamalex: or, is testtools.run.main() not convenient enough for you?
[16:49] <lamalex> jml, nevermind that discover thing was exactly what i needed
[17:08] <lamalex> jml, setUp runs for every test_ method, is there a TestCase wide set up?
[17:08] <jml> lamalex: no.
[17:08] <jml> lamalex: having such a thing is a bad idea
[17:10] <lamalex> why's that
[17:11] <jml> lamalex: because it makes test isolation very hard
[17:11] <jml> lamalex: which in turn makes it very easy to write tests where a failure or mistake in one corrupts the results of others
[17:12] <lamalex> jml, yah but we're not writing traditional unit tests
[17:12] <jml> lamalex: are you not interested in the results of these tests?
[17:36] <vila> wgz: encoding guessing... to cope with people using wrong fs encodings or not setting any ?
[17:36] <vila> (I had to breath .... ;)
[17:38] <wgz> not quite yet, but that one is on the list :)
[17:39] <vila> oooh, at least properly reporting the full string on unicode exceptions ?
[17:40] <wgz> yup, and full unicode output for all errors.
[17:41]  * vila whistles
[17:42]  * vila hugs mgz too
[17:43] <fullermd> Pah.  7 bits should be enough for anyone.
[17:43] <vila> now, given that nexuiz-data needs more than 24h and that we kill imports that exceed their 24h quota... we need a finer-grained configuration ;)
[17:50] <vila> jelmer: pretty cute failure: http://babune.ladeuil.net:24842/job/selftest-chroot-precise/lastFailedBuild/testReport/junit/bzrlib.tests.blackbox.test_checkout/TestSmartServerCheckout/test_lightweight_checkout/
[17:50] <vila> jelmer: looks like you did even better than you thought ;-D
[17:51] <jelmer> vila: argh
[17:52] <jelmer> vila: we'll have to change the lower limit to 34 I guess
[17:52] <vila> jelmer: yup, not a problem
[17:52] <jelmer> vila: there's a lot of variation in a single "bzr co --lightweight" command
[17:52] <vila> which is not ideal for a test but meh
[17:52] <vila> the point is to not go up
[17:53] <vila> do you really need the 9 commits ?
[17:53] <jelmer> vila: this is before I worked my magic btw ;-) the hpss-get-inventories branch brings it down to 15
[17:54] <vila> woohoo
[17:55] <vila> jelmer, mgz : would you mind clearing the active reviews page guys, you have 7 approved reviews ready to land there :)
[17:55] <wgz> I'm trying to get everything ready all at once :D
[17:56] <vila> hehe, beware of conflicts when landing... the more you land before hand the less conflicts you bump into ;)
[17:57] <vila> on top of that you have one for 2.4 that will need to be merged up ;-p
[19:07] <jelmer> hmm
[19:08] <jelmer> vila: I wonder if that RevisionNotPresent issue we've been hitting with the importer is related to the repository not clearing it's caching of negative revids in the parent map cache
[19:33] <jelmer> vila: it looks like the "PoMerger created" message made it into bzr.dev, btw
[20:30] <kirkland> okay, a couple of bzr fast-import questions, from git
[20:30] <kirkland> I've done the fast-export from git, and then fast-import into bzr
[20:30] <kirkland> I now have a directory of a bunch of branches/tags, I think
[20:33] <kirkland> I guess I'm trying to figure out what/how to do with those
[20:37] <jelmer> hi Dustin
[20:38] <jelmer> kirkland: You should be able to just use those branches like you normally would
[20:38] <jelmer> kirkland: if they don't have a working tree yet, you can use "bzr co" to create one
[20:38] <kirkland> jelmer: oh, hmm, okay
[20:38] <kirkland> jelmer: let me try those
[20:38] <kirkland> jelmer: all of them looked "empty" except for .bzr
[20:38] <kirkland> jelmer: i guess i just needed to co them
[20:42] <jelmer> kirkland: we should have bzr-fastimport hint that the branches created are tree-less, just like most other bzr import tools do
[20:43] <jelmer> kirkland: this is done for space reasons, btw - you don't want to end up with 20 copies of the kernel if you're fastimporting a kernel repo with 20 branches
[20:56] <vila> jelmer: I left it there on purpose, I still have doubts about whether it's created only once and it's the cheapest way to gather data. Once I get this feedback, I'll address the issue one way or the other (remove the message or fix the duplicated creation)
[20:56] <vila> jelmer: hence my reply to your review: "It's not useless noise" ;)
[20:58] <jelmer> vila: it should at least be hidden behind a debug flag in that case I think
[20:58] <jelmer> vila: it's showing up for every revision processed by the udd importer
[20:58] <vila> it's one line per merge and will be useless if hidden behind a debug flag...
[20:58] <Noldorin> what's the easiest way to run Bzr server as a Windows Service?
[20:59] <jelmer> vila: that's the case for lots of things
[20:59] <jelmer> vila: doesn't mean we have them enabled by default :_)
[21:00] <vila> then consider that I put a debug flag active by default and that this will be revisited
[21:00] <jelmer> vila: sure, I'll file a bug
[21:01] <vila> if you're really searching to reduce the size of the import logs, there are far bigger targets though
[21:04] <jelmer> vila: sure, I'm just saying it's noise unless you're actually trying to debug something related to pomerge
[21:04] <vila> I *am* :)
[21:05] <vila> I mentioned that I've seen at least one case where the message where there twice for the same merge
[21:06] <vila> but to avoid chasing ghosts for too long I submitted without digging further (nothing in my proposal should trigger such a behavior)
[21:06] <vila> and there is one spurious merge in this sentence
[21:06] <vila> ghaa, where not merge
[21:07] <vila> way past EOD ;)
[21:08] <jelmer> vila: I still don't think that's a good reason, by that reasoning we might as well enable a whole bunch of things because they will help with debugging - like -Dhpss and -Devil
[21:08] <jelmer> vila: if there was a -Dpo_merge flag, *you* could enable it
[21:08] <jelmer> anyway, it is indeed well past EOD :-)


[00:37] <cwillu> in the chain of gpm -> dbus -> ??? -> pm-utils, what is ????
[01:08] <Stargazer> Wow.
[01:14] <nippz> hm?
[01:37] <maxb> Something weird's going on with dependencies. In a couple Jaunty upgrades I've noticed various -dbg packages getting installed for no obvious reason
[01:37] <nippz> ya
[01:37] <nippz> afaik mysql-server-5.1 is still messed up also
[01:45] <maxb> new important dependency: gnome-dbg
[01:45] <maxb> What's an important dependency!?
[01:49] <maxb> hmm.. seem to be pulled in via the new bug-buddy -> gnome-dbg Recommends
[01:50] <JediMaster> hey guys, anyone having issues with mysql-server-5.1?
[01:51] <JediMaster> I have a feeling this isn't mysql that is the issue.. in syslog, getting this:
[01:52] <JediMaster> Jan 22 01:46:43 delta kernel: [91528.732246] type=1502 audit(1232588803.142:59): operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=11517 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld"
[01:53] <JediMaster> bah I can't remember the name of the security program that does this
[01:54] <maxb> AppArmor, possibly?
[01:59] <raof> maxb: Correct.
[02:02] <JediMaster> that's the bunny
[02:02] <JediMaster> any idea why it's blocking mysqld from starting?
[02:05] <toresbe> It has standards? ;)
[02:05] <JediMaster> O_o
[02:06] <JediMaster> now I remember why I uninstalled apparmor last time
[02:14] <hggdh> maxb, if you installed bug-buddy, yes, you are going to get a lot of dbgs
[02:14] <hggdh> although this might be a problem for apport
[02:14] <raof> It won't be.
[02:15] <raof> Apport doesn't (generally) try to install any packages.  If anything, this will make apport's job easier, because you'll get richer backtraces.
[02:15] <hggdh> JediMaster, what version of MySQL?
[02:15] <hggdh> sorry, I meant apport-retrace
[02:17] <hggdh> but, then almost nobody runs it, perhaps expect myself
[02:17] <raof> I tend to just attach gdb, yeah.
[02:17] <hggdh> I use it to update the dbgsyms I lose on the Jaunty upgrades
[02:20] <nippz> awesome
[02:21] <nippz> quodlibet + easytag + exfalso and just a dash of bulk rename makes tagging not that bad
[02:21] <nippz> having it organize library by album=folder ;)
[02:24] <JediMaster> hggdh: mysql-server-5.1 upgrading from 5.0
[02:25] <JediMaster> it's a known bug, found a workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/316849
[02:25] <hggdh> yeah, that's what I was going to tell you.
[02:26] <hggdh> nothing to do with apparmour
[02:26] <JediMaster> yeah, it's weird, it just triggered apparmor
[02:27] <hggdh> this is a different issue... apparmour profiles or programme usage
[02:28] <JediMaster> yeah, just restarted mysql and got a tonne of apparmour entries in the syslog
[02:29] <hggdh> probably the apparmour profile for mysql should be updated
[02:33] <JediMaster> ta for the help, bbl
[02:43] <linuxman410> anyone in here use real player 11
[03:04] <shadowhywind> Hay all I was wondering if anyone else was running into an issue with signing into kdm goes to the failsafe screen?
[03:36] <nippz> shadowhywind try checking ~/.xsession-errors or so
[03:37] <shadowhywind> nippz: There are "alot" of Couldn't determine full name for *
[03:38] <shadowhywind> oh wait, I wonder...
[03:43] <shadowhywind> Nothing shows up in xsession-errors when the failsafe terminal comes up
[04:08] <nippz> heh
[04:09] <nippz> so its related to X somehow - try using vesa
[04:15] <emma> What are the exciting new features planned for Jaunty?
[04:17] <nippz> boot time/ recover from suspend/hibernate
[04:18] <emma> that's cool.
[04:19] <nippz> more stuff for performance in general i think also
[04:20] <nippz> "Jaunty, the code name for what will most likely become Ubuntu 9.04, will be the focus of our efforts from November through to April next year. We will be gathering forces in Mountain View on 8th - 12th December to survey the upstream landscape and finalize Jaunty plans, enjoying the excellent hospitality of Google and Silicon Valley's abundance of talent and innovation." - said Mark Shuttleworth in the official announcement.
[04:20] <nippz> hrmz failcopter
[05:06] <cwillu> nippz, pulseaudio finally has some features exposed in the volume control
[05:40] <hggdh> just for the record: I am running with the Radeon driver, and was also running the fglrx kernel mod. I noticed X was eating up a lot of CPU (1 hour 50 min in 8 hours of uptime). I took out the flgrx, and it seems tohave gone down dratically.
[05:48] <raof> Yeah; it's now possible for the radeon driver to do 2d acceleration.
[05:48] <raof> I suspect that'll speed things up :P
[06:18] <bluesmoke> raof: don't suppose you use compiz++? :)
[06:19] <raof> bluesmoke: The crazy "let's drop a C++ rewrite of compiz in a private branch" thing?
[06:19] <raof> No, I don't.
[06:19] <bluesmoke> need a victim to test a port of the snap plugin
[06:20] <bluesmoke> It does funny things on my machine I'm starting to think are bad RAM
[06:20] <bluesmoke> raof: I'd be surprised if we don't switch to compiz++
[06:20] <raof> bluesmoke: You're a compiz dev?
[06:21] <raof> Oh.
[06:21] <raof> I knew that.
[06:21] <Amaranth> raof: I play one on TV
[06:21] <raof> Stop making me repopulate my nick -> person dict!
[06:22]  * crdlb is incapable of case-insensitive name recognition, so he has no idea who raof is
[06:22] <Amaranth> Of course 2 minutes before I trace my problems to something funky in either core or libstdc++ the main dev behind compiz++ disconnected and hasn't been back online yet
[06:22] <raof> Anyway...  I'll give it a whirl, while I happen to have a functional nvidia driver.
[06:22] <Amaranth> So I'm trying to find victims to see if something on my machine is broken
[06:22] <Amaranth> building compiz++ is a bit of a PITA unless you uninstall compiz
[06:22] <Amaranth> I'd make test packages if I had any idea how to compile cmake-based things
[06:23] <raof> Ah... cmake.  THat's right.
[06:23] <raof> Oh, well.  This install's going to be toast next time an alpha needs testing, anyway.
[06:23] <Amaranth> raof: this is the kind of evil I'm facing: http://rafb.net/p/ntzVEC24.html
[06:23] <Amaranth> notice how it goes into the C++ stdlib, it never comes back out (inf loop)
[06:23] <raof> Aaah, sweet C++.
[06:24] <raof> Because turing complete type systems make for good error messages!
[06:24] <Amaranth> so I made a change to my code and the error went away but then I had another one
[06:24] <Amaranth> I made a change to try to fix that one and the original came back
[06:24] <raof> I'll have a look.
[06:24] <Amaranth> something is broken but I dunno if it's the code, C++, or my machine
[06:24] <raof> What's the git to branch?
[06:24] <raof> Urgh, git.
[06:25] <Amaranth> raof: git checkout --track origin/compiz++ -b compiz++
[06:25] <Amaranth> that'll make git pull do the right thing and update the compiz++ branch too
[06:25]  * crdlb wonders waht raof would think of a rewrite of git in C++
[06:25] <raof> Ah, it's in compiz git.
[06:26] <Amaranth> yeah, then the snap plugin is in the snap plugin git in a compiz++ branch
[06:26] <Amaranth> also, the only setting systems that work are the ini plugin and the ccp plugin using the ini backend
[06:26]  * raof doesn't care at all about what language git is implemented in.  He just doesn't think that exposing the VCS implementation is a particularly useful UI.
[06:26] <Amaranth> raof: It's worth it for the speed
[06:26] <raof> And clone for the git repository is...?
[06:26] <raof> I know it's fast, but bzr's slowness really doesn't affect me very much.
[06:27] <Amaranth> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/compiz
[06:27] <Amaranth> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/plugins/snap
[06:27] <raof> Although it'd be nice for bzr branch to do a little bit more streaming.
[06:33] <raof> Amaranth: Ok.  How the hell does cmake work?
[06:33] <Amaranth> raof: make a new dir named compiz.build and in there run ccmake ../compiz
[06:34] <Amaranth> set your options, push c to configure, then if it passes the checks push g to generate the makefiles
[06:34] <Amaranth> then run make
[06:36] <raof> After first grabbing the build-depends!
[06:39] <raof> Hm.  Nice dependency checking.
[06:40] <raof> cmake could possibly check for boost :/
[06:44] <crdlb> they ought to be bundled as everything used is header-only
[06:44] <Amaranth> raof: it also fails to check for librsvg
[06:44] <raof> Sweet.  But that's pulled in by compiz build-deps.
[06:46] <raof> Amaranth: How does one build snap?
[06:46] <Amaranth> raof: set PKG_CONFIG_PATH and run make
[06:47] <raof> Nope, doesn't seem to like it.
[06:48] <raof> Initial error is:
[06:48] <raof> build/snap_options.h:17: error: ‘COMPIZ_BEGIN_DECLS’ does not name a type
[06:48] <raof> http://paste2.org/p/133783 is full output.
[06:49] <Amaranth> raof: oh, did you get the compiz++ bcop?
[06:49] <Amaranth> sorry
[06:49] <raof> Hah, no.
[06:49] <raof> Wanna drop the git url here for lazy me?
[06:51] <crdlb> that one killed me too
[06:51] <crdlb> and once I did it, I forgot to make clean
[06:52] <crdlb> Amaranth: X died when I enabled it, and froze up after trying it again
[06:52] <Amaranth> crdlb: Yeah, X dies when you enable/disable plugins in compiz++
[06:52] <Amaranth> crdlb: I'm guessing you use intel
[06:53] <crdlb> RS690M
[06:53] <Amaranth> raof: git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/libraries/bcop
[06:53] <Amaranth> crdlb: oh, that's right, that laptop
[06:54] <Amaranth> the freeze is either the inf loop in stdlib or the other inf loop in stdlib that eats all your RAM
[06:54] <Amaranth> but at least now I know it isn't just me
[06:54] <crdlb> and I have absolutely nothing when I vt-switch, not even a backlight
[06:54] <Amaranth> raof: you don't need to test snap now :)
[06:54] <Amaranth> crdlb: is that normal?
[06:55] <crdlb> it happens now, but I'm not entirely sure
[06:55] <Amaranth> that would have to be a driver thing
[06:55] <crdlb> oh yeah, I was seeing that when I played with multihead too, only the external crt was getting text
[06:55] <crdlb> but inconvenient, nonetheless
[06:56] <Amaranth> I just installed putty on a windows machine and run killall -9 compiz && metacity --replace &
[07:00] <raof> Mmm.  I've always said compiz was getting too stable..
[07:00] <raof> The regular branch tries to consume all memory far to infrequently.
[07:01] <raof> So, we'd be back to the days of specifying plugins on the command line, I presume.  Which ones _won't_ eat all memory?
[07:03] <crdlb> it's a good thing I have a ton of RAM
[07:03] <raof> At least VT switching still worked.
[07:03] <raof> It ate through 2GB quickly enough!
[07:03] <crdlb> I killed the old compiz process at 1.8GB res
[07:04] <crdlb> apparently it didn't die with X
[07:07] <raof> So, what _is_ a safe set of plugins?
[07:08] <crdlb> decor move resize :>
[07:08] <crdlb> why mr stone renamed decoration, I have no idea
[07:09] <Amaranth> wall is safe
[07:09] <Amaranth> that's the other one I've ported so far
[07:09] <raof> Hm.
[07:09] <raof> Not so much with the decoration, it seems
[07:10] <Amaranth> oh, you are running without compositing
[07:10] <Amaranth> to get compositing you need the composite and opengl plugins
[07:10] <Amaranth> otherwise only kde-window-decorator currently works without compositing
[07:11] <crdlb> I forgot to include L_A_I when I ran it this time; it was so slow, I had to blindly click a terminal and start metacity
[07:12] <raof> Nope.  Still no decoration.
[07:12] <raof> That does at least act as a composite manager.
[07:12] <crdlb> did you run the new gwd?
[07:12] <raof> Is it still called gtk-window-decorator, built from compiz, and installed in PREFIX/bin?
[07:12] <raof> If so, then yes.
[07:12] <Amaranth> crdlb: darn that perfect but slow software tfp :P
[07:13]  * Amaranth hugs DRI2
[07:14] <raof> Nope, no gtk-window-decorator love.
[07:28] <raof> So, what's the thinking about compiz++?  I'm still subscribed to the mailling lists, but it's difficult to gauge the consensus when no one posts anything :/
[07:30] <raof> Or, perhaps more depressingly, is the set of posts there the entirety of the compiz developer community?
[07:32] <cwillu> well, I upgraded my root partition to ext4, enabled extents, and rebooted, and it booted
[07:32] <crdlb> raof: it'll happen unless onestone backs of for some reason
[07:33] <crdlb> s/of/off/
[07:50]  * cwillu curses as the suspend menu doesn't do anything
[07:51]  * cwillu opens a terminal and types pm-suspend, and goes about his business
[08:03] <nippz> sweet
[08:03] <nippz> [offtopic]
[08:03] <nippz> the one upside of having a roomate that heads up an HR dept. - KILLER help with the resume ;)
[08:03] <nippz> [/offtopic]
[10:17] <kulight> is java and flash x64 going to be included in 9.04 ?
[10:18] <Ekushey> kulight, i don't think so
[10:18] <kulight> :-(
[10:19] <kulight> well i keep doing that manually i guess
[10:42] <Moldymoss> Morning, has anyone a link on hand of any PPA's on launchpad that have any workarounds to the nvidia & X issues?
[10:44] <RAOF> No; you don't need them anymore.
[10:44] <RAOF> Moldymoss: You just need to add a Section "Server
[10:45] <RAOF> Section "ServerFlags" Option "IgnoreABI" EndSection to your xorg.conf
[10:48] <Moldymoss> RAOF: Thanks, but do i additionally ned to download any more update drivers from Nvidia too?
[10:48] <RAOF> Moldymoss: No.  The nvidia-glx-180 driver is all you need.
[10:49] <Moldymoss> ROAF: I will go try it. Cheers
[10:54] <loic-m> kulight: flash x64 is already in 9.04
[10:55] <loic-m> kulight: as for java amd64, i was under the impression Sun was only going to rely on an open source version, which should be in 9.04 too (but I haven't tested if it's 100% ok though)
[12:18] <knecht_rutrecht> does jaunty's 2.6.28-4 kernel have pciehp support compiled in?
[12:19] <slavik> pciehp?
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> it's about this bug: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1855
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> "Can you remove the pciehp module? It is for PCIe hotplug, which should be
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> useless here."
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> i was asked this question
[12:20] <knecht_rutrecht> I do not have such a module on my system
[12:24] <slavik> hmm, find a kernel compilation how to and figure out how to get the current kernel's compilation options, look there for the option :)
[12:24] <slavik> that's what I would do, or ask someone how to figure it out if there is another way
[12:24] <cwillu> it's a module in intrepid
[12:24] <cwillu> do a locate pciehp, see if it gives anything back
[12:25] <cwillu> but ya, if you have a syslog showing that, and it's not a module, it's probably compiled in :p
[12:26] <knecht_rutrecht> i have this file from an older kernel: /lib/modules/2.6.28-3-generic/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko
[12:26]  * cwillu kinda wishes we'd enable the config.gz-in-/proc config option_:/
[12:26] <knecht_rutrecht> but no pciehp unter .../2.6.28-4...
[12:26] <knecht_rutrecht> *under
[12:27] <cwillu> knecht_rutrecht, nvm, yes, it's compiled in
[12:27] <cwillu> /boot/config-2.6.28-4-generic
[12:27] <cwillu> presuming this is the relevant line: CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_PCIE=y,
[12:28]  * cwillu recants his request
[14:40] <maxb> libv4l in intrepid-updates is newer than libv4l in jaunty. How peculiar
[15:16] <hggdh|away> maxb, it may be that this was a security update
[15:17] <maxb> hggdh|away: hmm. it's a newer upstream version though
[15:19] <hggdh> indeed
[15:20] <cumulus007> does anyone have a idea with which alpha/beta/rc the new theme will be shipped?
[15:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - Day 4 to kick off in #ubuntu-classroom in 19m. :-)
[16:05] <d_rwin> i am using edubuntu 7.10, after using the recovery cd i cant get the speed i had.     i had kubuntu as my first option in boot menu. i removed kubuntu
[16:06] <Pici> d_rwin: This channel is for Jaunty/9.04 only, Please direct your question to #ubuntu
[16:50] <albix> hi
[16:52] <albix> when I try to install 9.04 with the alternate cd I just see a black screen after I choose "install ubuntu". for few seconds I see some ubs failures and then the screen stays black for the rest of the time and the cd isnt moving anymore
[16:52] <albix> usb failure
[16:52] <albix> the same with alternate 7.10 and 8.10
[16:54] <charlie-tca> albix: Have you tried the desktop (livecd) on that system?
[16:54] <repete1> #ubuntu-classroom
[16:54] <repete1> oops
[16:54] <repete1> :-)
[16:55] <charlie-tca> albix: Also, you might try moving the USB cable to a different connector. There are some underpowered connector issues
[16:57] <iamarockstar> #ubuntu-classroom
[18:58] <DJones> If anybody has time, could somebody test something for me on jaunty, when Intrepid came out, my wife found that she could no longer play the yoville application/game thats on facebook, thinking it was a bug in flash 10, it was reported against that package, when it was investigated, it was refiled against nspluginwrapper but there's been no solution in intrepid, I'm just wondering whether there's a solution in jaunty
[19:04] <pwnguin> DJones: you can probably grab a liveCD of jaunty and try it out
[19:05] <DJones> pwnguin: thats a thought, i hadn't considered that, thanks for the suggestion
[20:08] <Alexia_Death> Does the nvidia module compile now for .28 series kernels?
[20:09] <Alexia_Death> I dont know why, but nv simply fails at color depth on my lcd
[20:14] <RAOF> Alexia_Death: You need to add "Option" "FPDither" "true" to your device section in xorg.conf.  The nvidia driver (and nouveau) detect it automatically.
[20:15] <Alexia_Death> RAOF: afaik I do have it.
[20:15] <Alexia_Death> but thanks for the tip
[20:15] <Alexia_Death> May have gotten lost in my many versions of Xorg...
[20:16] <RAOF> Ah.  Then you need to complain at the nv maintainer; the nvidia & nouveau drivers do dithering slightly differently to nv, and it looks better.
[20:16] <lurknjerk> hey, is anyone here knowledgeable about chanserv in freenode?
[20:16]  * Alexia_Death considers stuffing her /etc in some sort of version control... ca 40 copies of singel conf file is a bit much
[20:17] <pwnguin> heh
[20:17] <pwnguin> joey did that
[20:19] <DJones> pwnguin: Just tried a livecd with the facebook/yoville problem, the same bug is in jaunty
[20:19] <pwnguin> is it flash based?
[20:20] <DJones> pwnguin: yes it is, other flash sites work ok, just seems to be this one that has the problem
[20:23] <ashp> Hey guys, anyone else seen breakage with sound recently?
[20:23] <ashp> I'm not sure if pulseaudio or alsa is responsible, but things are definitely bust.
[20:25] <ashp> if i do: amixer -c 0 controls
[20:25] <ashp> i get: amixer: Control hw:0 snd_hctl_elem_info error: Invalid argument
[20:41] <pwnguin> Alexia_Death: http://kitenet.net/~joey/svnhome/
[21:03] <voox> is it possible to install kde 3.5 on ubuntu jaunty
[21:04] <RAOF> voox: No, I don't believe so.
[21:04] <voox> ok thanks
[22:30] <Melik> anyone here use banshee?
[22:35] <tretle_> yup
[22:42] <RyeBrye> I keep getting an error related to libmysqlclient-dev15: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmysqlclient15-dev_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[22:42] <RyeBrye>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/mysql/mysql.h', which is also in package libmysqlclient-dev
[22:42] <RyeBrye> anyone else have this issue?
[22:46] <Melik> tretle_,
[22:47] <Melik> is ur banshee acting up as well?
[22:47] <Melik> in jaunty
[22:52] <tretle_> Melik - other than the mono dependancy bugs no, it did uninstall fspot and a few other components when installing banshee though
[22:53] <Melik> tretle_,
[22:53] <tretle_> are you using ubuntu rep or the banshee repo?
[22:53] <Melik> ubuntu rep
[22:53] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTV3Mw/screenshot.png
[22:53] <Melik> the music scroller on the top left
[22:53] <Melik> doesnt work :/
[22:54] <tretle_> u using kde?
[22:55] <Melik> Ion3
[22:55] <Melik> its the same in
[22:55] <Melik> gnome as well
[22:58] <tretle_> well I dont have that issue
[22:58] <tretle_> 64bit or 32bit?
[23:02] <tretle_> Melik - you can try asking over at #banshee on gimpnet
[23:07] <Melik> whats the actual server for gimpnet tretle_
[23:08] <tretle_> irc.gimpnet.net ?
[23:08] <tretle_> irc.us.gimp.org
[23:08] <tretle_> the second one
[23:28] <andresmh> what would be the difference between installing a clean jaunty vs upgrading intrepid to jaunty?
[23:29] <tretle_> you wouldnt be able to use ext4?
[23:29] <Tekno> wrong
[23:30] <Tekno> you can convert ext3 to ext4
[23:30] <tretle_> thats risky
[23:30] <Tekno> but you can
[23:30] <tretle_> and time consuming
[23:30] <andresmh> is ext4 the default in alpha3?
[23:30] <Tekno> tretle_: 10 mins or so
[23:30] <charlie-tca> andresmh: You have no configurations carried forward on a clean install
[23:31] <Volkodav> I am running ext4 ok so far
[23:31] <Tekno> me too
[23:31] <Volkodav> had fsck died at boot - ran again and back ok
[23:31] <tretle_> reccomewnding someone to convert their file system on an alpha 3 build is not the best thing to do
[23:32] <Volkodav> this is what alpha for - you do whatever you can
[23:32] <Volkodav> trow anything at it - it is development/experimental install anyway
[23:33] <andresmh> i think i want to run jaunty from a 32gb USB stick with persistency
[23:33] <Volkodav> this is my understanding
[23:33] <andresmh> however, i haven't been able to follow the steps to run jaunty with persistence on a usb stick, is there a howto you would recommend?
[23:34] <tretle_> yes thats what an alpha is for but people have to make sure they have backups of everything first
[23:34] <tretle_> most people dont
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Thus the warnings:  Do not install on production systems?
[23:35] <Kuaera> Is anyone else having problems with Kmail crashing when attempting to open certain folders?
[23:55] <tretle_> is anyone here able to get monodevelop to install?


[20:09] <Ubuntubruger4> Hej. When i try to install ubuntu i get the following message: (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[20:10] <Ubuntubruger4> Is there anyone who can help me? I follow all the recommend steps and tried both from a bootable USB and from a DVD.
[20:10] <Ubuntubruger4> It is version Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS that i am trying.
[20:14] <Ubuntubruger4> ?spørgsmål
[20:41] <Ubuntubruger4> Is there anyone online that can help with my ubuntu installation?