[08:16]  * didrocks just back from Boston
[08:20] <didrocks> sil2100: Mirv: hey, how is it going?
[08:21] <sil2100> didrocks: morning!
[08:22] <sil2100> didrocks: rather fine... but I'm not sure what's the status of daily-release right now
[08:22] <didrocks> Mirv: sil2100: can we sync up in a hangout in a few?
[08:23] <didrocks> so that I can give you the status, story and so on…
[08:23] <didrocks> just expect to see a really tired didrocks ;)
[08:23] <sil2100> didrocks: ok, fine with me in ~20-30 min, let's wait for Mirv ;)
[08:23] <didrocks> sure, good plan ;)
[08:23] <sil2100> didrocks: how was the flight? When did you return back home?
[08:24] <jibel> Good morning didrocks! you arrived home safely ?
[08:24] <jibel> Hi sil2100
[08:24] <didrocks> sil2100: I returned back home 10 minutes ago
[08:24] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, uneventful! how was yours?
[08:24] <didrocks> sil2100: so, it's technically still Sunday for me :p
[08:25] <sil2100> :O
[08:25] <sil2100> 10 minutes ago?!
[08:25] <jibel> didrocks, good flight, arrived 20min earlier than schedule, so exceptional. but then we had to wait for a free parking stand :)
[08:26] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, I left Sunday evening
[08:26] <didrocks> jibel: ahah, really worthed arriving in advance :p
[08:26] <sil2100> jibel: morning!
[08:26] <jibel> didrocks, how was your WE in Boston?
[08:26] <sil2100> didrocks: damn! You should have a day off now and sleep!
[08:27] <sil2100> Mirv: piiing! ^
[08:27] <didrocks> sil2100: well, I have to sync up with you first ;)
[08:27] <didrocks> jibel: excellent! Boston is a really beautiful city, I wasn't expecting that
[08:27] <didrocks> also, I saw mterry on Sunday
[08:28] <didrocks> hum, I'll need to sync up with dbarth as well
[08:29] <sil2100> :<
[08:29] <didrocks> dbarth: around for a hangout?
[08:29] <didrocks> need to talk about webapps
[08:32] <jibel> didrocks, Good you enjoyed Boston. Now GO TO BED!
[08:32] <didrocks> well, I need people around first ;)
[08:33] <didrocks> and going to bed at that time is ensuring it will be a fail tonight
[08:33] <didrocks> jibel: btw, we had fun with a lxc failure on Friday evening
[08:33] <didrocks> (what a week)
[08:33] <didrocks> but stgraber got a fix
[08:33] <sil2100> Again?
[08:34] <dbarth> didrocks: yup
[08:34] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, because of a wrong upgrade
[08:34] <didrocks> (well, latest lxc broke)
[08:34] <didrocks> but latest latest fixes it now ;)
[08:34] <jibel> didrocks, yep I saw that last week on my machine, something with mountall IIRC
[08:34] <didrocks> right
[08:34] <didrocks> all fixed normally now
[08:35] <jibel> It is fixed, I verified this morning
[08:38] <Mirv> sil2100: pong pong :)
[08:38] <Mirv> didrocks: just fine, eager to get daily releases back online :)
[08:39] <sil2100> didrocks: we have contact with Mirv ! Hangout guys?
[08:40] <Mirv> fine by me, at least as soon as I find a headset
[08:40] <didrocks> sil2100: Mirv: I'm talking with dbarth right now, will ping you later
[08:40] <sil2100> ah, ACK
[08:40] <Mirv> ok. kind a Sunday you have.
[08:40] <sil2100> ;)
[09:14] <sil2100> didrocks: then in the meantime I go grab late breakfast
[09:14] <didrocks> sil2100: sure sure
[09:15]  * Mirv -> lunch
[09:41] <ricotz> didrocks, hi :)
[09:41] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[09:42] <ricotz> didrocks, the gnome-session update in saucy might have been a bit rushed
[09:42] <ricotz> it seems better to keep using 3.8.x if there are no problems resolved by 3.9.90
[09:42] <sil2100> ;)
[09:43] <sil2100> didrocks: when can we connect btw.? I want you resting already ;p!
[09:43] <didrocks> ricotz: who uploaded it? Sorry, I'm just back from Boston and totally jetlag/out of the loop
[09:43] <ricotz> didrocks, while gnome-session 3.9.91 requires a new gnome-desktop3 which kind of requires a running mutter/gdm
[09:44] <ricotz> didrocks, ah i see, i think jbicha did
[09:44] <didrocks> ricotz: can you sync up with him to revert it?
[09:44] <ricotz> didrocks, i decided to ping you while seb isnt here ;)
[09:44] <ricotz> will do, see it as note for now then
[09:45] <didrocks> ricotz: yeah, I'm in a middle of 100 things right now, so I think jbicha will be available before me ;)
[09:45] <ricotz> didrocks, don't worry then, thx
[09:45] <didrocks> ricotz: just reping me tomorrow when I'm fresh and not in a crazy timezone mindset ;)
[09:45] <ricotz> heh ;)
[09:46] <tkamppeter> I have applied a bug fix to Cairo, can someone upload it for me? Bug 968785.
[09:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 968785 in ghostscript (Ubuntu) "ghostscript runs for indefinitely long period of time when called by foomatic-rip" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968785
[11:05] <sil2100> didrocks: ping! Hangout
[11:06] <sil2100> asac: ^
[11:07] <asac> sil2100: ok
[11:07] <asac> one sec
[11:07] <didrocks> coming
[11:34] <didrocks> sil2100: I rerun the sdk stack
[11:35] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK, I'm looking on unity8 now
[11:35] <sil2100> didrocks: you SLEEP!
[11:36] <didrocks> sil2100: was I looking that bad? :p
[11:36] <sil2100> No ;) But when I think about it that you got back from Boston just today in the morning, I feel tired myself!
[11:37] <didrocks> ahah, sorry to make you feel tired ;)
[11:37] <didrocks> ok, maybe the fact that I'm working laying on carpet is not a good sign
[11:37] <didrocks> but I feel good that way
[11:43] <lool> qengho: heyo, asac has other issues than the chrome disappearing with latest chromium-browser; notably with google docs; is this something reported / that you know of already?
[11:44] <sil2100> Wohoo, daily-build is so CLEAN
[11:45] <didrocks> cleanly empty! ;)
[11:47] <sil2100> didrocks: spinning off unity8!
[11:47] <didrocks> \o/
[12:15] <pitti> Good morning
[12:24] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[12:24] <didrocks> enjoying your trip apparently? ;)
[12:24] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour Didier, ça va ? survived the flight?
[12:25] <didrocks> pitti: apparently yeah. Still surviving the jetlag though (arrived at home 4 hours ago now and still awake \o/)
[12:25] <pitti> erk
[12:25] <didrocks> didn't succeed to sleep during the flight, so still Sunday for me :p
[12:25] <didrocks> pitti: how was yours? uneventful?
[12:25] <pitti> didrocks: both of the planes were an hour late, so in the end the tight connection worked out
[12:26] <pitti> broken panel in the first, broken battery in the second
[12:26] <pitti> like, even Friday 13 itself was delayed by a day :)
[12:26] <didrocks> ahah, happy that you got there in a piece then!
[12:27] <didrocks> no broken pitti :p
[12:27] <pitti> yeah, indeed; I'm just beginning to get the usual cold, though
[12:27] <pitti> there is NO escape!
[12:28] <didrocks> ah, finally, an ubuflu! I was afraid nobody would get one :)
[12:28]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[12:28] <didrocks> (with care to not grab the cold)
[12:29] <pitti> hah
[12:30] <didrocks> pitti: you should have stayed a little bit more to Boston
[12:30] <didrocks> I was alone, but it was lovely
[12:37]  * desrt yawns
[13:33] <didrocks> thanks Mirv!
[14:28] <tkamppeter> xnox, hi
[14:29] <xnox> tkamppeter: heya!
[14:29] <tkamppeter> xnox, I Have a problem with PackageKit when adding package sources, it does not install the GPG key, see
[14:29] <tkamppeter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6101343/
[14:30] <tkamppeter> xnox, it seems to be caused by some change in PackageKit, as system-config-printer did not change and current Saucy package works perfectly on Raring.
[14:34] <xnox> tkamppeter: it cloud be a dbus/glib change wince it is expecting a UINT64 or UINT32 bit value but that's not what it is getting. Maybe the signature should be prefixed with 0x ?
[14:35] <xnox> tkamppeter: I don't think it's my domain =/ try debugging it with pdb to see what values it's receiving and why install-printerdriver.py:35 is reporting warnings.
[14:39] <tkamppeter> xnox, I have done the same thing with pure Python now, without system-config-printer, once with the unchanged key and once with the key with 0x preceded. See http://paste.ubuntu.com/6115179/
[14:43] <tkamppeter> xnox, do you know whom I can ask? Who has made this package? r should I replace the small Python script by C or shell, to avoid the Python bindings?
[14:43] <jbicha> didrocks: I don't think there's any need to revert gnome-session, 3.9.90 works fine and there are unlikely to be more 3.8 releases; we just can't upgrade to 3.10
[14:44] <didrocks> jbicha: can you discuss with ricotz? I have no personal opinion about it and he brings that on
[14:44] <xnox> tkamppeter: right, so on command line I did: $ sudo /usr/sbin/aptd
[14:44] <xnox> tkamppeter: then I opened D-feet and org.freeddesktop.PackageKit appeared on the system bus.
[14:44] <xnox> tkamppeter: and indeed there is no CreateTransaction method.
[14:45] <ricotz> jbicha, i am fine with that, but carefully looking at the recent changes for cherry-picking fixes is needed then
[14:46] <xnox> tkamppeter: there is however org.debian.apt dbus-interface with "AddVendorKeyFromKeyserver / from File" etc. but at that point one can already use something like python-apt.
[14:46] <tkamppeter> xnox, this means that pk.install_signature() is not compatible with aptd any more due to API changes?
[14:47] <xnox> tkamppeter: well, either packagekit api changed, or aptd changed or both.
[14:47] <tkamppeter> xnox, who is resposible for that?
[14:47] <xnox> tkamppeter: currently in saucy there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/1.1.1-0ubuntu1 done by glatzor which FTBFS and thus still not available. It seems to have plenty of bugfixes.
[14:48] <xnox> tkamppeter: not sure who is responsible.
[14:48] <ricotz> jbicha, e.g. https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=2040b88847ed1ee11182caac96b0f09c553c646e, or even https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=ac9fd0dc97a17674cb082f80df0b1fcc45bc92bf
[14:49] <xnox> tkamppeter: try pulling that newer package, rebuild locally (ignoring the test-failure, or better fix them) and check if it fixes the issues with system-config-printer for you?!
[14:49] <tkamppeter> xnox, good idea, thanks.
[14:50] <jbicha> ricotz: the first commit needs rebasing of some Ubuntu patches, the second commit should be fine though
[14:50] <jbicha> and we wouldn't have gotten either of those by sticking with 3.8 either
[14:50] <ricotz> jbicha, i guess it might be easier to take 3.9.91+ and revert things
[14:52] <ricotz> jbicha, the argument for going with 3.8.4 would be to avoid clashes with gnome3 ppa where we don't want to revert things
[14:53] <jbicha> I think we'd need a ffe to upgrade gnome-session any further for saucy but you can upgrade further with the gnome3 ppas
[14:55] <ricotz> ok
[15:02] <tkamppeter> xnox, that's it, aptdaemon 1.1.1 solves the problem. Thank you very much.
[15:06] <xnox> tkamppeter: right, then please help to fix it's test-suite failures, such that we release saucy with aptdaemon 1.1.1 =)
[15:35] <didrocks> sil2100: falling asleep, leaving now, please do feel free to publish (and continue on the rest) once you are confident. See you!
[16:05] <tedg> Does someone know why we'd be getting this cli-common error?
[16:05] <tedg> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/libappindicator-saucy-armhf-autolanding/3/console
[16:05] <tedg> What do the cli dh rules do?
[16:07] <cyphermox> sil2100: what pieces are we publishing atm?
[16:08] <Laney> tedg: you asked that exact question before
[16:08] <sil2100> cyphermox: for now none, we're more or less ready to publish unity8, sdk and apps, but we have some AP failures going on
[16:08] <Laney> The job broke and didn't install the build deps
[16:09] <alberts> Hi! Can someone look at this fix for nautilus - https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/nautilus/white-screen-fix/+merge/180231
[16:09] <tedg> Laney, Oh, so this is the same thing with dh rules needing to be on the base image.
[16:09] <tedg> Like the dh_click stuff
[16:09] <tedg> But, wait, why only on ARM then?
[16:10] <Laney> no
[16:10] <Laney> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: python-all-dev cli-common-dev (>= 0.5.7) libnunit-cil-dev dbus-test-runner xvfb valac mono-devel (>= 2.4.3) python-gtk2-dev gtk-sharp2-gapi libgtk2.0-cil-dev libdbus-glib-1-dev (>= 0.82) libindicator-dev (>= 0.3.90) libindicator3-dev (>= 0.3.90) libdbusmenu-glib-dev (>= 0.5.90) libdbusmenu-gtk-dev (>= 0.5.90) libdbusmenu-gtk3-dev (>= 0.5.90) libgirepository1.0-dev
[16:10] <Laney> it should have installed those
[16:11] <Laney> in particular missing cli-common-dev makes that error happen
[16:12] <tedg> Okay, so fginther it seems that the ARM images don't have cli-common-dev installed on them.  Can we fix that please?
[16:12] <fginther> tedg, yes, should be able to
[16:13] <tedg> Laney, It seems that the images do a "dh clean" before installing the build-deps, so if the needed dh scripts aren't there, they fail.
[16:13] <Laney> that would happen
[16:13] <Laney> the build deps should have been installed; error with the job
[16:14] <tedg> Really I think it should install the build deps before doing dh clean.  Not sure why it doesn't.
[16:14] <tedg> fginther, Thanks!
[16:15] <fginther> tedg, ugh, cli-common-dev requires 154 packages
[16:16] <Laney> why don't you do the source package build with -nc?
[16:16] <Laney> it's freshly checked out so won't be dirty
[16:17] <cyphermox> sil2100: you planning on releasing everything? what about services?
[16:19] <tedg> fginther, That's a bunch!
[16:22] <sil2100> cyphermox: we're not planning on releasing that
[16:22] <sil2100> cyphermox: we have a schedule for releases:
[16:23] <cyphermox> hrm
[16:23] <sil2100> cyphermox: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=0
[16:23] <cyphermox> MTP ;)
[16:23] <cyphermox> mtp is in services, that's the one I'm interested in
[16:24] <cyphermox> it's already been preNEWed, btw. slangasek looked at it
[16:35] <cyphermox> sil2100: can I run the stack anyway with just mtp? we'll just wait before publishing?
[16:38] <sil2100> cyphermox: I think there was a talk about MTP today, so I guess it's ok to spin the stack
[16:39] <sil2100> cyphermox: just asac would have to make sure all is green
[16:39] <cyphermox> aye
[16:39] <cyphermox> asac: ^^ I'd like to land MTP, ok to spin the stack with just it?
[16:42] <fginther> tedg, cli-common-dev is installed on all the arm boxes, is there an MP I need to rerun?
[16:47] <asac> cyphermox: aftrer we pushed unity8/sdk
[16:47] <cyphermox> asac: ack
[16:47] <asac> whats the status on that? did we get confirm that eerything is good and pushed it?
[16:47] <tedg> fginther, Yes please, https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/libappindicator/misc-debian-control-fixes/+merge/180032
[16:47] <ogra_> asac, see -touch
[16:47] <ogra_> asac, sil2100 is on it
[16:48] <asac> ogra_: whats the summary
[16:48] <asac> lots of stuff was talkeda bout
[16:48] <asac> -> touch
[16:48] <ogra_> still testing
[17:32] <sil2100> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/mir_switch_to_next_PPA/+merge/185871 <- can you take a look? The Mir guys asked for this
[18:14] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine: later this day, check this branch and redeploy for the US guys on the Mir sprint ;) -> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/mir_switch_to_next_PPA/+merge/185871
[18:15] <asac> sil2100: how long befrore you drop off?
[18:16] <sil2100> I should be gone already so not super long, I have a strange headache now as well!
[18:16] <kenvandine> sil2100, sure
[18:59] <sil2100> kenvandine: do you have a moment for this? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/extra_pkgs_for_services/+merge/185905 ?
[18:59] <sil2100> kenvandine: I'll redeploy anyway ;)
[19:01] <kenvandine> hey sil2100, sorry, let me look
[19:01] <cyphermox> I do
[19:02] <cyphermox> don't redeply now please
[19:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, thx :)
[19:02] <cyphermox> if the mir team just wants to write code for post-saucy, this is the wrong way to "fix" it
[19:03] <sil2100> cyphermox: I think they want to write fixes for saucy
[19:03] <sil2100> Not post-saucy
[19:03] <sil2100> cyphermox: since they want to have those changes released to saucy later
[19:03] <cyphermox> well, the result is the same really
[19:03] <sil2100> cyphermox: at least that's how I understood kgunn
[19:03] <cyphermox> they should do saucy bugfix in a saucy branch
[19:03] <cyphermox> and upstream development in turnk
[19:03] <cyphermox> *trunk
[19:04] <sil2100> There is no trunk, and I think they only want to do bugfixes for saucy for now
[19:04] <sil2100> I mean, trunk is for saucy still
[19:04] <sil2100> cyphermox: but best if you discuss that with kgunn
[19:04] <cyphermox> from there we can just change the target branch for saucy to whatever they name their change, and trunk for further devel
[19:04] <kgunn> sil2100: cyphermox ....our trunk is for saucy
[19:05] <sil2100> cyphermox: ^
[19:05] <kgunn> our trunk is sacred, so anything landing there...we want in saucy
[19:05] <cyphermox> kgunn: you don't expect to be doing any development not expected to land in saucy?
[19:05] <cyphermox> alright
[19:05] <sil2100> cyphermox: as I said, trunk is for saucy, there is no 'upstream development', they work for saucy only
[19:05] <cyphermox> sil2100: but then the PPA change is still incorrect, daily-build-next is explicitly not saucy
[19:05] <kgunn> cyphermox: correct...for the moment...and totally understand, if/when we get to doing dev that's not going into saucy
[19:05] <kgunn> we would branch ourselves
[19:06] <cyphermox> kgunn: ack
[19:06] <cyphermox> well for now anything in trunk does end up in saucy, that's all good
[19:06] <sil2100> cyphermox: well, true, but Didier uses it temporarily for saucy stuff as well
[19:06] <cyphermox> sil2100: the ppa change would make mir build in a ppa that could have random other stuff for future releases.
[19:06] <sil2100> cyphermox: I remember last week he used it as well
[19:07] <cyphermox> yes, for a very specific reason, to avoid building against Mir :)
[19:07] <cyphermox> since we purged the daily-build ppa completely
[19:07] <alberts> Hi! Does anyone knows what version of gtk will be used in ubuntu 14.04?
[19:07] <cyphermox> kenvandine: what's your opinion? feels to me like this should all be a no-op
[19:08] <cyphermox> alberts: whatever stable version of Gtk will be available, I'd say
[19:08] <cyphermox> alberts: depends on roadmap, let me check
[19:11] <cyphermox> alberts: I'm not sure. 4.0 by then maybe? I have no idea
[19:11] <cyphermox> there's a 3.9.14 tagged in git so there is a possibility I guess
[19:11] <alberts> cyphermox: thanks!
[19:12] <kenvandine> cyphermox, sil2100: not sure, so sending it to daily-build-next means not saucy, so yeah... a no-op
[19:12] <cyphermox> well, the ppa itself doesn't change where we land stuff
[19:12] <kenvandine> well, not totally a no-op... it still gets sent there
[19:12] <kenvandine> oh... that's where it builds it
[19:12] <kenvandine> not the dest
[19:13] <cyphermox> but I'm not sure we should possibly break what builds in next with an old mir
[19:13] <kenvandine> that is scary then
[19:13] <alberts> can someone look at this fix? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/nautilus/white-screen-fix/+merge/180231
[19:13] <kenvandine> should it maybe stay in experimental for now?  so it doesn't taint anything?
[19:14] <alberts> ubuntu 13.10 probably will be last ubuntu supporting multiple screens as with gtk 3.10 multi screen support has removed. it would be nice if this bug is fixed at least in this ubuntu version.
[19:14] <cyphermox> well if it's meant to be bugfix I'm fine with it building in the daily-build ppa... that's what it's for anyway
[19:15] <cyphermox> as long as there truly are no non-bugfix commits, but even then we can see it since it's manual publishing
[19:15] <kenvandine> true... so then just not making the change makes sense
[19:15] <sil2100> cyphermox: I didn't want to build it in daily-build PPA since I only want things in daily-build which we are considering to release in the nearest time
[19:15] <cyphermox> alberts: my concern wasn't with the fact that it's run only once per screen or not, but with whether there is an upstream-acceptable alternative to using the constructor to handle this
[19:15] <sil2100> cyphermox: while not slowing down the development of the Mir guys
[19:16] <sil2100> So maybe a different PPA?
[19:16] <cyphermox> sil2100: you wouldn't be slowing things down for Mir people
[19:16] <cyphermox> bugfix is just that -- bugfix
[19:16] <cyphermox> so if it's bugfix that lands in Mir trunk as kgunn mentions, you really don't need to change anything
[19:17] <sil2100> cyphermox: well, I'm tired now, so I don't care much now - so if you think it's ok to have it in daily-build, then ACK
[19:17] <cyphermox> I think it's perfectly safe and fine
[19:18] <cyphermox> doh, why did kgunn leave, we still need him :D
[19:18] <alberts> cyphermox: upstream has removed background drawing. so i guess there is no alternative. or I don't understand something?
[19:18] <cyphermox> alberts: that said, I don't feel strongly about it, just mildly prefer to see a patch that has received the blessing from the gnome people
[19:19] <ricotz> cyphermox, hi :), just wanted to ask if you are going to take a look at network-manager <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:19] <cyphermox> ricotz: I will, soonish
[19:19] <cyphermox> ricotz: got to land one patch first, then I'll be updating the packaging for <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:19] <ricotz> cyphermox, great!
[19:19] <cyphermox> we should be able to land that this week
[19:20] <cyphermox> ricotz: do you need anything in particular?
[19:20] <alberts> cyphermox: so what should I do to get that fix accepted?
[19:21] <ricotz> cyphermox, nothing particular, i was about to take a look to get it into gnome3 ppa (which currently has <IP_ADDRESS>), i will leave it to you then ;)
[19:21] <cyphermox> kenvandine: want to give your opinion on alberts' patch too? I don't feel strongly against the patch, though I think there is a better way to do this... but I'm not sure any of us have time to spend working on it
[19:21] <cyphermox> ricotz: ack
[19:22] <cyphermox> ricotz: there is a bunch of memory fixes and stuff like that, so a good idea to land anyway
[19:25] <alberts> cyphermox: it is not my patch. Its old patch which was rejected with "seems a bit simple to me, we don't want to construct a new object each time, rather we want one per screen". But it is already [with patch] constructed once per screen.
[19:25] <kenvandine> cyphermox, not really, i'm pretty distracted right now by content-hub
[19:25] <cyphermox> kenvandine: ack
[19:27] <cyphermox> alberts: I still think the fix is slightly incorrect, but let's just get it out of the way
[19:27] <cyphermox> alberts: it's for saucy right?
[19:29] <alberts> cyphermox: yes, but I have created merge proposal for precise too. what would be correct way to fix it? Maybe I could try to fix it myself...
[19:33] <cyphermox> alberts: let's done one thing at a time :)
[19:34] <cyphermox> alberts:  if you want to see your name in changelog, could you also update changelog to bump the version and apply the patch? do you know how to do that
[19:37] <alberts> cyphermox: I don't care about seeing my name in changelog. I just want it to be fixed. so do i need to do something now?
[19:38] <cyphermox> nah, I can handle it from here
[19:40] <tedg> fginther, Thanks, it looks like that patch landed!
[19:40] <fginther> tedg, \o/
[21:01] <jasoncwarner> hey Laney , still around? was wondering if we are still missing anything for datetime settings in system settings?
[21:11] <thumper> o/ jasoncwarner
[21:14] <Laney> jasoncwarner: hi, here for two minutes
[21:14] <Laney> jasoncwarner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Phone
[21:14] <Laney> We don't have the "Setting the time & date automatically ..." bit
[21:15] <jasoncwarner> Laney: is that needing the location service? (which is landing this week, I think)
[21:15] <Laney> mmm, I don't know exactly what that provides
[21:15] <Laney> I didn't know which API to use to ask if there's internet access
[21:16] <Laney> I think I started a thread about it on ubuntu-phone a few weeks ago but didn't get a clear answer
[21:17] <jasoncwarner> Laney ok. since you are heading off, mind following up on that tomorrow and driving to an answer? if need be, grab lool or chickencutlass and get a definitive answer.
[21:17] <Laney> I think this http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qml-networkinfo.html is the thing
[21:17] <Laney> but it didn't work, maybe due to missing backend
[21:17] <Laney> I'll try it again
[21:18] <Laney> oh yes, wait, I'm remembering more
[21:18] <Laney> it has some complicated notion of 'informative' carriers and stuff
[21:23] <Laney> jasoncwarner: More remembering; the 'automatic' timezone selection doesn't do anything either
[21:23] <Laney> I think ofono provides this
[21:23] <Laney> Ken has been doing settings for things that need ofono as he has a device whereas Seb and I don't
[21:32] <ochosi> Laney: sorry to bother you again with this, but you mentioned before that ubuntu also has a logout issue (i pinged you about xubuntu and our session taking forever to end when logging out, because you submitted that logind patch)
[21:33] <Laney> ochosi: nothing more to report
[21:34] <ochosi> so this still hasn't been debugged yet in ubuntu?
[21:34] <Laney> not by me anyway
[21:34] <ochosi> ok, any idea whom i could ask about this?
[21:35] <Laney> I don't think anyone is doing so
[21:35] <ochosi> ppl just too busy with mir and the phone-stuff?
[21:35] <Laney> pitti might know best how to start looking but I doubt he has began to debug this one either
[21:36] <Laney> basically phone things for 13.10
[21:36] <Laney> Ideally I'll get more time for desktop bugs soon
[21:37] <Laney> anyway, in the absence of that it'd be great for someone else to prod at it
[21:37] <ochosi> yup
[21:37] <ochosi> we'll see whether we get anywhere, but i guess i'll ask pitti first for some pointers
[21:37] <Laney> maybe the ubuntu GNOME guys have the same problem
[21:37] <Laney> try asking them too
[21:38] <ochosi> they use gdm though, no?
[21:38] <Laney> logind though
[21:38] <ochosi> true
[21:38] <ochosi> any names in the u-gnome team you can recommend?
[21:39] <Laney> I recommend that you go ask in #ubuntu-gnome and hang around for a reply
[21:39] <Laney> got to go now, see you tomorrow
[21:39]  * Laney waves
[21:40] <ochosi> sure, thanks Laney !
[23:01] <cyphermox> alberts: I haven't forgotten you, just busy and I ran into issues merging your branch
[23:01] <cyphermox> I'll get back to it soon


[01:50]  * tsimonq2 checks the current UWN links against his various RSS feeds\
[01:50] <pleia2> thanks :)
[01:51] <tsimonq2> np :)
[01:52] <tsimonq2> pleia2: would http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/beta-test-git-recipes from Monday go in?
[01:52] <tsimonq2> oic it's already there nvm
[01:52] <pleia2> it's already in
[02:15] <pleia2> tsimonq2: the debian one was included last week
[02:15] <tsimonq2> sorry wrong chan on that question
[02:15] <tsimonq2> ohh gotcha sorry
[02:17] <tsimonq2> pleia2: and I just wanted to make sure either way because that is HUGE
[02:17] <tsimonq2> (huge enough to be notable :P)


[00:00] <Xikkub> its probably bad if your mouse and keyboard freeze also
[00:00] <Foxkeh> We usually can't get our fingers out quick enough so it usually reboot.(It takes about two minutes to finally shut down.)
[00:00] <Xikkub> ah
[00:00] <Foxkeh> Might it have something to do with the wireless part?
[00:00] <Foxkeh> So, is an "Ms DOS console" a terminal?
[00:00] <Xikkub> i wouldnt expect the wireless to interfere with your mouse/ keyboard i/o
[00:00] <zoredache> Foxkeh: not exactly, but it is pretty close
[00:01] <Foxkeh> So, what is it?
[00:01] <Xikkub> well terminal is the msdos prompt equivalent in linux
[00:01] <Foxkeh> I knew that, I only refer to a command prompt as a terminal.
[00:01] <Foxkeh> So it's a command prompt?
[00:02] <Xikkub> yeah
[00:02] <Foxkeh> So how do I figure out if I'm using an NTFS file system?
[00:02] <Foxkeh> Ok.
[00:03] <charlie-tca> so the alt+sysRq doesn't work for you at all?
[00:03] <Foxkeh> Nope. Never. I think Alienkid once said he got it to work, but only once and I wasn't awake, I think.
[00:03] <charlie-tca> What version of windows do you have?
[00:03] <Foxkeh> XP.
[00:03] <Foxkeh> home.
[00:03] <charlie-tca> That is NTFS
[00:03] <Foxkeh> Darn.
[00:03] <zoredache> Foxkeh: I asked you a about 10 minutes ago to run the command 'mount' and post the output
[00:04] <Foxkeh> You did?
[00:04] <Foxkeh> Didn't see it.
[00:04] <Xikkub> why should ntfs make a difference. ubuntu is ntfs-friendly
[00:04] <zoredache> mount will tell you exactly what, is what filesystem... you could also look at your /etc/fstab
[00:05] <Foxkeh> Xikkub, 'cause if it wasn't I could fsck in Linux.
[00:06] <Foxkeh> So just open a terminal and type mount?
[00:06] <Xikkub> you could use ntfs-progs
[00:06] <Xikkub> ya
[00:06] <zoredache> or mount | pastebinit
[00:06] <zoredache> then provide us with the url
[00:08] <Foxkeh> How do I do "Mount | pastbinit"? I did the command "Mount pastebinit" not knowing if I should include "|" in it.
[00:08] <Xikkub> i feel like im on excstacy for some reason
[00:08] <zoredache> yes, you need the | character.  The | character is a way of telling mount to send all of its output to the command after the |
[00:08] <durt> Xikkub: your coming down with a cold.
[00:09] <Xikkub> omg why?
[00:09] <zoredache> in this case I want it to go to pastebinit, because that will allow you easily share the results with everyone
[00:10] <durt> zoredache: is pastebinit installed by default? that is a seriously kick a$$ app. (If I it does what I think it does.)
[00:10] <zoredache> if you get an error, about pastbinit not being found then run 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit'
[00:11] <zoredache> durt: I forget it if is installed.  it is easy to install see my previous message
[00:11] <durt> :) micro-seconds apart
[00:12] <kyoobeh> hello
[00:12] <zoredache> !hi | kyoobeh
[00:13] <kyoobeh> pretty excited about getting xubuntu on this old laptop
[00:13] <durt> lol, someone needs to add a little more to that factoid
[00:13] <knome> durt, why?
[00:14] <durt> that's the shortest bot response evar
[00:14] <kyoobeh> heh
[00:14] <Xikkub> finally i got emacs wrkin
[00:14] <Xikkub> i luv emacs
[00:15] <kyoobeh> xubuntu just got done installing on this old laptop, but whenever i go to try to load it, the loading bar and Xubuntu screen shows up, but soons it loads the screen just goes blank
[00:15] <durt> vi for evar!!
[00:15] <Xikkub> lol vi omg
[00:15] <Xikkub> i cant stand it
[00:15] <durt> !offtopic | durt
[00:16] <zoredache> kyoobeh: have you tried booting into safe mode?
[00:16] <kyoobeh> i have, and everything says [ OK ]
[00:17] <kyoobeh> from what i can tell, anyways..
[00:17] <kyoobeh> i'm doing a memory test right now
[00:17] <durt> kyoobeh: ctrl-alt-F8 to follow the boot process.
[00:17] <Xikkub> man i wish i had a better laptop
[00:17] <zoredache> kyoobeh: how much memory do you have?
[00:17] <kyoobeh> its showing on the screen right now
[00:17] <kyoobeh> Memor: 120M
[00:18] <kyoobeh> i'm guessing that this isn't enough :P
[00:18] <durt> ouch
[00:18] <knome> kyoobeh, too little.
[00:18] <durt> cpu?
[00:18] <Xikkub> it should be enough
[00:18] <kyoobeh> 800.1 MHz
[00:18] <Xikkub> its below recommended but its above the minimum
[00:18] <Xikkub> ahhh
[00:18] <knome> kyoobeh, 192 is the *min* for *running* xubuntu.
[00:18] <kyoobeh> lol, this is an ooooold laptop
[00:18] <kyoobeh> ahh, i see..
[00:18] <Xikkub> oh apparently the article i got is outdated
[00:19] <knome> Xikkub, can you link me into it?
[00:19] <zoredache> !lowmem | kyoobeh
[00:19] <kyoobeh> oooh, thank you zoredache
[00:19] <Xikkub> oh i cant remember where it is
[00:19] <zoredache> hrm... the urls are broke...
[00:19] <durt> kyoobeh: google U-lite for an unsupported ubuntu derived install that might work better on 128 meg
[00:19] <Xikkub> i probably saw it years ago and didnt bother to look it up again
[00:21] <zoredache> zoredache: the urls aren't broke, you just aren't suppose to include the trailing period
[00:21] <durt> doh!
[00:21] <kyoobeh> V-Lite eh
[00:21] <Foxkeh> Well, nevermind, according to Charlie I've got NTFS and when I go to the bathroom obviously too much pops up, I'm just gonna trust Charlie on this.
[00:21] <durt> U-lite
[00:21] <Foxkeh> Thanks.
[00:21] <kyoobeh> U
[00:21] <kyoobeh> (just installed mIRC)
[00:22] <kyoobeh> its that UGLY ass text that they use as default...
[00:22] <durt> on linux ?!?
[00:22] <Xikkub> any c programmers know if system("pause") can send commands to ubuntu terminal
[00:22] <Xikkub> i like icechat
[00:22] <Xikkub> its cleaners and freer
[00:22] <kyoobeh> no no no, i'm on my desktop right now... booted into XP as we speak..
[00:22] <zoredache> what do you mean send commands to the terminal?  'pause' isn't a command btw
[00:22] <kyoobeh> blasphemy, i'm sorry ;[
[00:23] <durt> I wish there was a linux port of mIRC
[00:23] <sowdog> durt: why?
[00:24] <Xikkub> u could always make an irc client
[00:24] <durt> I remeber it as a really decent app
[00:24] <zoredache> if you are asking if you can use the internal commands from a shell you could do system("bash -c \"internalcmd\" ") or something to that effect
[00:24] <Xikkub> ok ty
[00:24] <kyoobeh> durt, do you know of any u-lite torrents?
[00:24] <Xikkub> yeah wasnt shure if it needed to use winapi or not
[00:25] <sowdog> hi all, got a question. I tried setting up my wireless with iwconfig, but i'd always fail setting the keys and some googling , i think its the RTL8187 driver. Anyhow, why does it work with xubuntu's nw-applet?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> Foxkeh: don't trust, find out for certain
[00:25] <Xikkub> is that the TEW-424UB?
[00:25] <durt> kyoobeh: no, sorry. But you should read up on it before you decide to use it.
[00:25] <Xikkub> sowdog: is that the TEW-424UB?
[00:25] <kyoobeh> ok
[00:25] <durt> kyoobeh: very specific install instructions
[00:26] <kyoobeh> yeah, was looking them over just now
[00:26] <sowdog> Xikkub, I've no idea what is the TEW-424UB
[00:26] <Xikkub> the driver
[00:26] <Xikkub> what is the network card you are using
[00:26] <kyoobeh> won't be able to get xubuntu to run on this laptop, it seems
[00:26] <kyoobeh> so i'll just have to look at other options
[00:26] <Xikkub> sowdog: what is the network card you are using
[00:26] <zoredache> kyoobeh: I suspect I would look at something like DSL
[00:27] <Xikkub> sowdog ill pm you
[00:27] <Jaredster> hello. I was wondering if someone could help me with my resolution problem. Here is the thread I just made for it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6764890#post6764890
[00:27] <sowdog> Xikkub, it's a wireless USB card. I think the drivers are RTL8187
[00:27] <kyoobeh> zoredache: I'll google it
[00:27] <Foxkeh> Ok, Charlie, so what do I look for in "Mount"
[00:27] <Foxkeh> ?
[00:28] <durt> kyoobeh: I'm using it on a PII 96meg old toshy satelite, aside from a gecko (mozilla) based browser that eats mem like pacman. It's fairly mem/cpu footprint light.
[00:28] <durt> kyoobeh: DSL is good also puppy linux
[00:30] <kyoobeh> DSL seems pretty cool, I wish i didn't use my last CD-r just now lol
[00:30] <Mood> anyone use joomla here?
[00:30] <Mood> just curious
[00:30] <Jaredster> when you guys arent busy can someone please tell me how to change the login screen resolution
[00:31] <Jaredster> I tried editing the xorg.conf, but the file is blank.
[00:31] <Mood> Jaredster: just the login screen?
[00:31] <Mood> Jaredster: that's kind of strange
[00:31] <Jaredster> well, the login screen stays at 1280x1024, which isnt compatible with my tv
[00:32] <Jaredster> but the xfce I was able to change to 1024x768
[00:32] <Jaredster> want me to open an ssh?
[00:32]  * Mood goes Huh?
[00:32] <Foxkeh> join #wings3d
[00:32] <durt> Jaredster: not sure if GDM uses xorg.conf, but xorg now autoconfigures itself, and then parses xorg.conf for customized settings
[00:32] <Foxkeh> How do you join an irc?
[00:32] <Mood> Foxkeh: type /join
[00:32] <Jaredster> Foxkeh, /j wings3d
[00:33] <Jaredster> or /join
[00:33] <Foxkeh> Ok.
[00:33] <charlie-tca> Foxkeh: look for a line line /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[00:33] <Jaredster> its weird though, I cant change the login screen resolution
[00:33] <charlie-tca> where it says ext3, what have you got?
[00:33] <Jaredster> durt, how would I reconfigure it then?
[00:33] <Jaredster> so it can only do 1024x768
[00:33] <kyoobeh> am i going to want to download dsl-4.4.10.iso ?
[00:34] <kyoobeh> to burn it to a CD
[00:34] <durt> Jaredster: get an old template of xorg.conf and edit it.
[00:34] <kyoobeh> or dsl-4.4.10-initrd.iso ?
[00:34] <kyoobeh> probably just the standard one...
[00:34] <Jaredster> can I use any template?
[00:34] <Foxkeh> Charlie-tca: Ok. I'll show you what it says.
[00:34] <zoredache> kyoobeh: the initrd will need more memory
[00:35] <charlie-tca> copy and paste it to pastebin
[00:35] <charlie-tca> !pastebin
[00:35] <durt> Jaredster: hold on a sec lemme check /usr/share/docs...
[00:35] <Jaredster> ok thanks
[00:35] <kyoobeh> ok, thanks Zoredache
[00:36] <kyoobeh> this distro looks to be helpful
[00:36] <Foxkeh> charlie-tca: This is the first "ext3" I found. "/host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
[00:37] <kyoobeh> I'll be back, gonna go buy some CD-r's
[00:37] <charlie-tca> you have other types in there
[00:37] <kyoobeh> then i'm going to try out DSL :P
[00:38] <Foxkeh> ?
[00:38] <charlie-tca> Foxkeh: can you copy and paste that whole thing to pastebin?
[00:38] <Xikkub> damn small linux
[00:38] <Xikkub> anybody a c\c++ programmer here?
[00:38] <durt> Jaredster: doesn't semm to be there, google xorg.conf + your lappy/or your video card to find one.
[00:39] <Foxkeh> charlie-tca: "/host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[00:39] <Jaredster> ok
[00:39] <Foxkeh> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> /dev/sda2 on /host type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[00:39] <Foxkeh> "
[00:39] <Xikkub> ahhh
[00:39] <Xikkub> >.<
[00:40] <knome> !pastebin | Foxkeh
[00:40] <Foxkeh> Oh. didn't know that.
[00:40] <zoredache> Foxkeh: which filesystem is it complaining about?
[00:41] <zoredache> you should be able to run fsck -y /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk when you are booted into safe mode
[00:42] <Xikkub> anybody experimented with backtrack at all
[00:42] <Foxkeh> So now do I have to give the link to the pastebin url?
[00:42] <Sw3RvE> im having an issue with my theme and firefox. when i use the Xfce-dusk theme i cant see the website addres in the address bar on firefox.
[00:43] <Foxkeh> Does it happen if you close and reopen Firefox?
[00:43] <Sw3RvE> yea its white on white
[00:44] <Sw3RvE> so i cant read it unless i highlight it
[00:44] <Foxkeh> That usually fixes my search bar and address bar when they stop working.
[00:44] <Foxkeh> Go into "Edit>Prefferences" and see if something's in there on it.
[00:44] <Sw3RvE> its working... its not that. its a color issue.
[00:44] <Sw3RvE> i did i tried changing colors
[00:44] <Sw3RvE> it doesnt work on that part of firefox tho
[00:45] <Foxkeh> Huh?
[00:45] <Foxkeh> What do you mean" Didn't work on that part of firefox"?
[00:46] <Sw3RvE> it doesnt affect the address bar when i change the font color or background color.
[00:46] <Xikkub> sudo apt-get install firefox XD
[00:46] <alienkid> so guys ho
[00:46] <alienkid> w'd his proplem go(Foxkeh's)
[00:46] <Xikkub> his comp apparently cant handle it
[00:47] <Sw3RvE> what?
[00:47] <alienkid> can't handle what? So what we gonna do?
[00:47] <knome> Foxkeh, alienkid: maybe ask #ubuntu because nobody seems to be able to help here
[00:47] <Foxkeh> So, how's pastebin work?
[00:48] <charlie-tca> You go to the URL given, paste your information there, then give us the URL it tells you
[00:48] <Foxkeh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/120375/
[00:48] <alienkid> I told him
[00:48] <alienkid> I'll go cheek #ubuntu
[00:49] <charlie-tca> Then you do what zoredache said;
 you should be able to run fsck -y /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk when you are booted into safe mode
[00:49] <Foxkeh> Ok.
[00:49] <Foxkeh> But what, Windows safe mode?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> no, you need to do it in linux. From the boot from ubuntu menu, after it starts, hit ESC and then choose recovery mode
[00:51] <Foxkeh> Oh. But you can't tpye in terminal there, can you? It's got an "fsck" option.
[00:51] <alienkid> then what root terminal?
[00:51] <Foxkeh> But you can't type.
[00:52] <charlie-tca> Yes, root
[00:52] <Foxkeh> Ok, I'll leave my brother to do that when it happens.
[00:52] <charlie-tca> What has an "fsck" option?
[00:52] <Foxkeh> He's the nerd, afterall.
[00:52] <Foxkeh> In recovery the little gui thing.
[00:52] <Foxkeh> I have a question, Charlie, how long have you been using Linux?
[00:53] <charlie-tca> since 2005
[00:53] <alienkid> Charlie should I tune2fs from there to up the mount count on it?
[00:53] <charlie-tca> I started with Ubuntu 5.04
[00:53] <alienkid> *could
[00:53] <Foxkeh> Wow.
[00:53] <Xikkub> Red Hat FTW
[00:53] <Foxkeh> No, Ubuntu.
[00:53] <Xikkub> no Red Hat
[00:53] <Mood> No, Xubuntu
[00:53] <knome> ##linux for flamewar
[00:53] <Xikkub> no Windows
[00:54] <knome> PLEASE!
[00:54] <Xikkub> hehe
[00:54] <Foxkeh> gtg
[00:54] <knome> i'll kick ye all of if this goes on for any longer.
[00:54] <knome> :P
[00:54] <charlie-tca> alienkid: I think you have to use "fsck -y /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk"
[00:55] <Mood> what's the #xubuntu bot?
[00:55] <knome> !bot
[00:55] <charlie-tca> Oh, alienkid. Yes, I think you could set it there
[00:55] <zoredache> hi ubottu
[00:55] <alienkid> yeah but after can I up the mount count to it from the root terminal?
[00:55] <Mood> oh yrsh.... any other bots?
[00:55] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:55] <zoredache> well there us ubuntulog, but he is pretty much silent
[00:56] <alienkid> ok thanks
[00:56] <knome> Mood, people sometimes have thought i'm one.
[00:56] <Mood> knome: heh heh
[00:56] <charlie-tca> Mood: Isn't one irritating enough for us?
[00:56] <knome> Mood, no, really :P
[00:56] <Mood> charlie-tca: i think _YOU'RE_ a bot! lol
[00:56] <charlie-tca> No, I'm real
[00:57] <knome> Mood, even if he is a machine doesn't mean he's a bot :P
[00:57] <charlie-tca> as observed by the bad advice given at times
[00:57] <charlie-tca> Give me a break today.
[00:59] <charlie-tca> I just read a lot!
[00:59] <Mood> heehee
[00:59] <Xikkub> Welcome to #xubuntu! You can search my brain at http://smouch.net/lol/
[01:00] <knome> !behave | Xikkub
[01:00] <knome> uh.
[01:00] <knome> !manners | Xikkub
[01:00] <knome> ;P
[01:00] <knome> wasn't relevant either.
[01:00] <Xikkub> lol nt though
[01:01] <charlie-tca> Someday I'm going to learn how to use that 'bot
[01:02] <Xikkub> lol haha
[01:04] <Xikkub> !manners | Xikkub
[01:04] <Xikkub> !where
[01:04] <Xikkub> !sex
[01:04] <Xikkub> aww
[01:04] <Xikkub> lol i dont know anaything about ***
[01:05] <Xikkub> sowy :(
[01:06] <knome> !offtopic
[01:06] <Mood> doesn't xubuntu =? drugs? it sure is addictive
[01:06] <Xikkub> im having fun torturing ubottu
[01:06] <zoredache> !bugabuse
[01:06] <zoredache> !botabuse
[01:06] <knome> !channels
[01:07] <Xikkub> hahaha
[01:07] <knome> zoredache, yes, but you can't search for channel-specific factoids in private.
[01:08] <zoredache> which seems kinda silly
[01:08] <knome> yah
[01:08] <zoredache> tell 'them' to fix that
[01:08] <knome> i also can't find out how to add channel specific factoids.
[01:08] <Xikkub> [20:08] <Xikkub> anything
[01:08] <Xikkub> [01:08] <Xikkub> hehehe
[01:09] <zoredache> Myrtti knows how, you could bug her
[01:09] <knome> zoredache, asked jussi01
[01:10] <Xikkub> LOL UBOTTU ISNT RESPONDING TO ME HEHE
[01:10] <knome> Myrtti, hei mörkö.
[01:11] <s19113i> Does the gecko media player for firefox   work in xubuntu?
[01:12] <knome> s19113i, i'd suppose so.
[01:12] <Jaredster> durt, didnt work me thinks
[01:13] <s19113i> Thanks Knome!  I'll give it a go.
[01:15] <s19113i> One more question.  Is the proceedure for installing nvidia 177 the same in xubuntu as ubuntu?
[01:16] <zoredache> s19113i: it should be
[01:16] <Xikkub>  it should be
[01:16] <Xikkub> [19:44] <Sw3RvE> it doesnt w
[01:17] <s19113i> Thanks again, I prefer xfce to gnome.  That's why I'm switching.
[01:31]  * Xikkub[A] is now away - Reason : cuz i *u** want to
[01:33] <durt>  Jaredster:well take a look at 'man xorg.conf' to re-familiarize yourself with the structure and googling xorg.conf will give you a good idea of what you need to put in the thing. It can be video card and monitor specific.
[01:33] <Jaredster> I tried to make one, but it didn't work.
[01:33] <Jaredster> I'm going to install the beta and see if that fixes it
[01:34] <durt> beta of what?
[01:34] <Jaredster> ubuntu
[01:34] <durt> there's a beta out? already?
[01:34] <Jaredster> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[01:34] <Jaredster> err alpha
[01:34] <Jaredster> >_>
[01:35] <Jaredster> this problem completely disables the entire computer for me
[01:35] <Jaredster> I also tried making my own xorg.conf, but it gave me errors and reverted to the old version.
[01:35] <durt> um, I'm running jaunty on my desktop and today was a baaaaaad day for alpha testers.
[01:35] <Jaredster> maybe I did something wrong.
[01:35] <Jaredster> why's that?
[01:36] <durt> GDM got nuked and fixed in a span of a few hours
[01:36] <durt> if thats the type of thing you wish to deal with
[01:37] <durt> stick with 8.10 and work on a solution.
[01:37] <Jaredster> ok
[01:39] <kyoobeh> installing DSL now
[01:39] <kyoobeh> that took like 5 minutes, hahaha
[01:40] <durt> I think you can still run DSL in ram, with 128 meg if I'm not mistaken?
[01:41] <Xikkub[A]> ya i think so
[01:41] <durt> ya, 800 MHz is gonna be fast, why not get more ram for the thing?
[01:41] <kyoobeh> eh, i could
[01:41]  * Xikkub is no longer away : Gone for 10 minutes 4 seconds
[01:42] <kyoobeh> but that costs me moneys :P
[01:42] <kyoobeh> maybe i will soon
[01:42] <kyoobeh> dunno how easy it'd be to put ram into this lappy though
[01:42] <Xikkub> ram is pretty cheap tho
[01:43] <durt> not if it's older ram, ie.   :P
[02:12]  * kyoobeh wonders if Wine would work on DSL
[02:13] <Xikkub> at the startup screen i get those funky colors but it goes to normal in like 1 second
[02:13]  * Xikkub also wonders if Wine would work on DSL
[02:14] <VisuaWare> it dont for me, did it for like 30seconds+ and i got tired of it and hit power button, then it did popup back to Xubuntu logo and saying to take out the CD/DVD  and it finaly power down....
[02:14] <Xikkub> wait, during install?
[02:14] <Xikkub> umm
[02:14] <VisuaWare> yea, booted on dvd, picked to install ... a few seconds after it started the color crap
[02:14] <Xikkub> you tried rebooting? did it install right?
[02:14] <VisuaWare> AMD64 version
[02:14] <Xikkub> you are sure you have that architecture computer?
[02:15] <VisuaWare> and yea i tried boot.. nothing worked, dont think it got that far
[02:15] <durt> kyoobeh: check the website and see if anyone has added the.... uh whatever the DSL equivalent is of .deb... for the distro.
[02:15] <VisuaWare> Q6600 is 64bit so im hoping to god it will run 64 bit arch
[02:16] <Xikkub> wen did the colors appear during installation?
[02:17] <kyoobeh> i needa find a PCMCIA card for this thing lol
[02:17] <Xikkub> lol haha
[02:17] <VisuaWare> pretty much as soon as it started
[02:17] <Xikkub> did u "check cd for defects"
[02:18] <Xikkub> mightve been a bad burn
[02:18] <Xikkub> it may also be that you didnt do a clean shutdown of windows
[02:18] <Xikkub> that is if you have windows
[02:18] <durt> kyoobeh: what? network card?
[02:18] <VisuaWare> im asuming 32 bit linux also limited on the RAM?  i been using xp32 for some time, as hated vista.. and do have 8gb ram in this box id like to see avalible :P
[02:19] <zoredache> VisuaWare: well you could use pae, but that comes at a performance cost....
[02:19] <zoredache> I would guess that it is related to your video card somehow, not the cpu architecture
[02:20] <zoredache> you might give the alternate installer a shot
[02:20] <zoredache> !alternate | VisuaWare
[02:20] <Sw3RvE> why dont you just use 64-bit XP or 64-bit Ubuntu/Xubuntu
[02:20] <VisuaWare> is what i was trying to do :P   well 64bit XP too much issues, and as i dont play the "games" i used too... figured time to go Linux for good :P
[02:21] <VisuaWare> as can always get wine or whatever if need be someday
[02:21] <Xikkub> yeah but games under wine are often slow
[02:21] <VisuaWare> well games i play on this box.. is a OVERKILL lets put it like that :P
[02:22] <VisuaWare> Alternate cd also avalible as 64bit i asume?  else could just download the regular i386 tho be kinda sad
[02:23] <zoredache> yes, it is
[02:25] <VisuaWare> downloadin it and praying it works,
[02:26] <zoredache> VisuaWare: I suspect it will install.    What type of card?
[03:37] <VisuaWare> wired,  onboard the  Asus Striker. so a nvidia chipset
[03:37] <VisuaWare> i can go find exact specs if need
[03:38] <zoredache> if you run the command 'ip addr' do you see any interfaces other then lo?
[03:39] <VisuaWare> 1: lo, 2: eth0  3: eth1   and only eth0 i know is connected, only using 1 of the ports
[03:40] <zoredache> are you sure eth0 is eth0?  perhaps the interfaces are in a different order then you expect?
[03:40] <VisuaWare> well that could be .P
[03:40] <zoredache> run 'ip link' and see which interfaces is reported as DOWN
[03:40] <VisuaWare> both of them
[03:41] <zoredache> try running the command dhclient eth0 and if that doesn't work try dhclient eth1
[03:41] <Xikkub> wireshark is win
[03:42] <VisuaWare> ooo some happen here :Å
[03:42] <Xikkub> ?
[03:42] <VisuaWare> eth0 is no longer down :P
[03:42] <zoredache> did you get an ip?
[03:43] <VisuaWare> yea, and it works, i tested w apt-get install MC :P
[03:43] <VisuaWare> worked now
[03:43] <zoredache> ok, you might also want to install envyng-core
[03:43] <VisuaWare> what is that
[03:43] <zoredache> it is a tool that helps you install the nvidia drivers
[03:43] <durt> not on 8.10, jockey-gtk
[03:44] <VisuaWare> so is that a "not" to me? o.o
[03:44] <durt> envyng for 8.04
[03:44] <durt> if it's an nvidia prob
[03:45] <zoredache> durt: it is still in the repos for 8.10.    But I am definatly not the person to talk to about video/xorg issues
[03:48] <durt> VisuaWare: what card?
[03:49] <VisuaWare> 2x 8800 GT
[03:49] <durt> VisuaWare: should be recognized of the bat, you think it's a monitor prob?
[03:50] <VisuaWare> using a 30" Samsung and max i know is 60hz any resolution...from what i remember
[03:51] <VisuaWare> did they remove the textmode setup for xwin? since noone confirm or deny that exists
[03:53] <durt> P/N number for it? google it if necessary,  ya, the old xf86config is loooooong been deprecated.
[03:54] <zoredache> who is 'they'?  the xorg guys have been trying as hard as they can to get xorg to a point where it configures itself automatically
[03:54] <VisuaWare> they.. the nice boys who did the xubuntu dist :P they can do as they see fit no? :P
[03:55] <zoredache> the xorg package did some configuration up until the recent release, but that was removed in favor of just letting xorg try and figure things out itself
[03:56] <VisuaWare> great they try be like M$  .-
[03:56] <VisuaWare> automatic always seams to "fail" along the lines
[03:56] <durt> zoredache: most of the time this works OOTB, old or obscure monitors are the biggest head-ache
[03:56] <VisuaWare> whats a "nicer" editor to plug in here,  Nano really aint me sorry :P
[03:57] <VisuaWare> but now that aptget works, ill take use of it :P
[03:57] <zoredache> do vi or emacs work for you?
[03:57] <zoredache> once you get a gui working there are lots of good choices
[03:57] <VisuaWare> im a sucker for good old dos shit from BBS days u know :P so yea a classic as possible "edit" would do :P
[03:57] <durt> VisuaWare: xorg guys still have xorg.conf for us to fiddle with
[03:58] <VisuaWare> ya i just need a textmode one right now
[03:58] <VisuaWare> durt is one im about to "FIDDLE" with...
[03:58] <VisuaWare> with some google help on trying to make it "work" for now enuff to boot xwin anyways
[03:59] <durt> wtf is xwin?
[03:59] <VisuaWare> but i defently need learn terminal chit too,  already shocked how easy zoredache fixed my network
[03:59] <VisuaWare> SORRY :P X11 ^^
[03:59] <Xikkub> what was the problem
[03:59] <Xikkub> i just got on
[04:00] <VisuaWare> zoredache and thanks a lot for that btw ;)
[04:00] <zoredache> VisuaWare: that was a temporary fix.  to permanently fix it, you'll probably need to tweak your /etc/network/interfaces file a bit
[04:00] <durt> everybody shutup about Xikkub
[04:01] <Xikkub> ?
[04:01] <Xikkub> whats goin on
[04:01] <durt> everybody   ssshhhhh..
[04:01] <VisuaWare> lol ya tweak --  i think its tweeking me more than i am it for now
[04:02] <Xikkub> durt: wtf is going on
[04:02] <durt> Ja, bother love, good luck mon
[04:02] <Xikkub> srsly dude, wtf
[04:03] <durt> Xikkub: seriously bother, nuttin goin on
[04:03] <durt> *brother
[04:03] <Xikkub> lol im not stupid
[04:03] <Xikkub> now wuts going on
[04:05] <aunoaib> hi
[04:06] <aunoaib> i cant find any free programs to record my desktop
[04:06] <durt> nobody 'ere but us chickens, like say.
[04:06] <zoredache> record your desktop?  what do you mean?  Are you wanting a screenshot?
[04:06] <aunoaib> no, a screencast
[04:06] <aunoaib> like record a video of my screen
[04:07] <aunoaib> i found one but its like not freeware
[04:08] <zoredache> aunoaib: maybe pyvnc2swf
[04:08] <zoredache> you basically have to setup a vnc server, and it records the vnc output
[04:09] <Xikkub> interesting. i should look into that too
[04:09] <Xikkub> once i get wireshark to work :(
[04:10] <aunoaib> i have wireshark, too, but i cant figure out how to find information about the wpa network
[04:10] <Xikkub> yeah im clueless as well
[04:13] <aunoaib> we need to find some wireshark irc channels
[04:13] <zoredache> aunoaib: you might also check out wink
[04:13] <aunoaib> ??
[04:13] <zoredache> !info wink
[04:14] <aunoaib> ahh. interesting
[04:15] <aunoaib> !info g++
[04:15] <VisuaWare> well figured out how to download a damn xorg conf file someone had for the samsung 305t, and THAT got me MUCh further :P qq
[04:15] <aunoaib> !language
[04:15] <VisuaWare> i have GUI, mouse and WOOOO a Error on 3 devices.. im getting somewhere lol
[04:15] <aunoaib> lol
[04:16] <slv> hi, is it possible to run 64-bit windows VM's under 64-bit xubuntu? if so what VM software is recommended, virtualbox?
[04:16] <aunoaib> cant u run any type of os under vm
[04:16] <VisuaWare> lol bad idea to try fix that, now im in rainbow colors again qq
[04:16] <zoredache> slv: i know you can do it under vmware
[04:17] <slv> ok thx
[04:17] <zoredache> aunoaib: depends on the virtualization.  vmware depends heavily on the cpu, so to run a 64bit os you must have a 64bit processor, and host os
[04:18] <aunoaib> ahh, i understand
[04:18] <Xikkub> how do u register a nick
[04:18] <Xikkub> !help
[04:19] <aunoaib> lol xikkub how u liking ur ubuntu
[04:19] <Xikkub> get of my computer. now
[04:20] <aunoaib> lolwut
[04:20] <Xikkub> off. now.
[04:20] <VisuaWare> ok now, so what you say to install on 8.10 for nvidia to mess up x11 some more
[04:21] <zoredache> you might try installing and running jockey like durt suggested
[04:21] <VisuaWare> jockey-gtk?  i can get to x11 now but had some errors, but it can "start" now, just used another conf someone w GTS and same monitor... im on a GT tho
[04:24] <aunoaib> hehe xikkub
[04:24] <Xikkub> hehe aunoaib
[04:26] <VisuaWare> well im in x11 now.. so any suggestion what to do to fix the nvidia madness
[04:27] <VisuaWare> guessing get the drivers in officialy and hope it works qq
[04:28] <VisuaWare> ah nice, yeah X did change since i saw it last :P
[04:32] <VisuaWare> nvidia 177.82 in and works ;) that wasnt so bad afterall
[04:34] <durt> VisuaWare: if your feeling adventurous try 180.11 that's the latest and greatest for 8.10
[04:34] <VisuaWare> lol
[04:35] <VisuaWare> wasnt on the list "officialy" so i think ill wait till i tested a bit more first, before i need "repair" a fkup again haha
[04:35] <durt> your card should be supported
[04:38] <VisuaWare> where should i install it at,  updates almost done
[04:40] <aunoaib> stupid shortcut key to terminal
[04:41] <Xikkub> lol
[04:42] <VisuaWare> im in looooveeee :P   722mib of 7,8gib used :P
[04:42] <VisuaWare> even during System update install process its barely using the cores v.v
[04:44] <Xikkub> i cant fking get this wireshark to work :(
[04:44] <durt> for anyone who wants to know which nvidia driver they should pick, peruse this list from nvidia (bookmark it!): http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.29/README/appendix-a.html
[04:44]  * aunoaib bookmarked it
[04:45]  * Xikkub bookmarked it cuz we are same person, dumb@$$
[04:45]  * Reno` already downloaded it :)
[04:48] <VisuaWare> so should i just do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 nvidia-180-modaliases ?   googled it :P
[04:48] <VisuaWare> as its not in the hardware drivers list yet
[04:51] <Xikkub> nadie sabe como usar wireshark?
[04:52] <Xikkub> nobody knows how to use wireshark>
[04:52] <durt> VisuaWare: are you sure? 180.11 was most definitely available for me. Are you running jockey?
[04:53] <VisuaWare> well i installed it... dont ask me if im running it :P how do i know lol
[04:53] <durt> applications -> system tools -> hardware drivers
[04:54] <durt> or in a terminal: sudo jockey-gtk
[04:54] <VisuaWare> hardware drivers still 177 highest
[04:55] <VisuaWare> and the command in terminal shows the hardware drivers with same result
[04:56] <durt> what card again?
[04:56] <VisuaWare> 8800 GT
[04:57] <VisuaWare> lol windows is soooo going bye bye and limited to a vmware sometimes maybe :P
[04:58] <durt> well according to nvidia 8800 GT is supported by 180, don't know why it's not coming up in jockey
[04:58] <Ishmael> hello my tech savvy friends
[04:59] <durt> dude get that whale out of here
[04:59] <Ishmael> ?
[04:59] <Ishmael> the whale was the other guy
[04:59] <Reno`> hmm what will work faster xubuntu-desktop or if i install some components xfce ?
[05:00] <durt> Reno`: I think it all depends how much gnome you get rid of.
[05:01] <Xikkub> well see ya guys later
[05:01] <Ishmael> xubuntu boots into a command line screen, where i have to type "Exit" to boot into the gui, and thus start the vino server that i use to access it, how do i get it to boot straight to the gui?
[05:01] <Xikkub> you need to change your startup file
[05:01] <Xikkub> forgot whats called
[05:01] <Xikkub> XD
[05:02] <Ishmael> quantum networking bits look like both ones and zeros
[05:02] <Reno`> bgg i think i destroy gnome-desktop-data and another gnome package :D
[05:04] <durt> Ishmael: saw one that looked like my cat too.
[05:05] <Ishmael> a quantum bit? i doubt the veracity of your statements
[05:07] <durt> um.... string theory?
[05:08] <Ishmael> ohhhhhh
[05:08] <Ishmael> string theory
[05:11] <durt> well, I was going to prepare a well thought out equation that would prove that the previous statement came from one of many multiple universes but the daily show just came on.
[05:13] <durt> uhh, it's a rerun.
[05:22] <VisuaWare> dosbox installed... mmm and what u suggest for virtual os for windows.... VMWARE or we have any free goodies avalible thats good?
[05:30] <Ishmael> i've been using wine, and have been happy with it, although i think it made me freeze last time i used a certain program
[05:30] <VisuaWare> downloading VirtualBox OSE... hoping its any good, but again, i highly doubt any OSS Team can make as many flaws as M$ so ill take my chances lol
[05:31] <VisuaWare> i just need a XP32 avalible for a few things, rest it seams linux will do much better now anyways
[05:35] <Ishmael> if anyone who's active can tell me how to get rid of that initial boot command-line, plz help
[05:37] <durt> why?  You need user input to boot?
[05:39] <Ishmael> yeah, it won't go past the command line unless i type "exit"
[05:39] <durt> !vino
[05:39] <Ishmael> and then it loads the gui
[05:39] <Ishmael> vino is vnc, just one i've found
[05:40] <durt> understood
[05:42] <VisuaWare> ok 2 final questions, what be best way to get my NTFS shit to a partition buntu likes and any "utorrent" alike for linux? so far once i look at are rather plain simple for downloading
[05:42] <durt> so you boot to a CLI, input login/password, then exit and it starts x?
[05:42] <Ishmael> i don't even need login/password.  simply "exit"
[05:43] <durt> how do you login?
[05:43] <Ishmael> and it auto-boots into my default account after that
[05:43] <Ishmael> i just don't want to have to type exit, so i can turn on the box, if it had to restart, and go straight to it from vnc
[05:44] <Ishmael> for torrents: the fanciest i've seen is "vuze", but lately i've enjoyed deluge
[05:45] <durt> personally I like ctorrent or rtorrent both command line apps.
[05:45] <Ishmael> vuze is java based i think, so it hogs up resources...or at least it does in my mind
[05:46] <VisuaWare> Transmission  looks so so, but i wouldnt know qq
[05:46] <durt> best gui torrent app I've used is ktorrent the kde native app.
[05:46] <Ishmael> i'll have to look into the client's durt mentioned
[05:47] <durt> transmission is cpu hungry too.
[05:47] <Ishmael> ktorrent didn't really do it for me
[05:48] <durt> I found ktorrent slightly less resource hungry than transmission
[05:49] <durt> *slightly*
[05:49] <Ishmael> only thing i don't like about deluge is that i haven't found any option that lets it minimize to the icon
[05:49] <Ishmael> so when you close it out, it really stops
[05:49] <Sw3RvE> how do i make my terminal look like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Xfce-4.4.png
[05:51] <VisuaWare> ktorrent it will be for now i think
[05:51] <VisuaWare> i would go for ctorrent if wasnt a discontiniued project for now, im picky like that :P
[05:51] <Ishmael> Sw3RvE, are they using xfwm4?
[05:52] <Sw3RvE> idk its on the wikipedia
[05:52] <Ishmael> i think that's what it's advertising... do you mean how to install?
[05:52] <Sw3RvE> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce
[05:54] <Ishmael> have you seen the windows vs. linux video?
[05:54] <VisuaWare> this is the first time ever it went so "smooth" gettin into linux and working...
[05:54] <VisuaWare> now only missing a "nero" replacement... and i think i found my new home .P
[05:54] <Ishmael> k3b
[05:54] <Sw3RvE> me or vis
[05:54] <Ishmael> VisuaWare, k3b
[05:54] <Ishmael> my bad
[05:55] <Ishmael> and video question is for Sw3RvE
[05:55] <Sw3RvE> no
[05:55] <VisuaWare> thanks for all your help all of you..  past the video issues and it went easier than any dist ever did b4 :P
[05:55] <Ishmael> i'll find it, it shows how ubuntu and a few add-ons blows windows vista out of the water
[05:55] <Sw3RvE> i just would like to know how to make terminal transparent like that. is it something already on xubuntu or do i have to install something?
[05:56] <VisuaWare> k3b failed :/  qq
[05:56] <Sw3RvE> ishmael ive seen screenshots of ubuntu that look like vista
[05:56] <Sw3RvE> i have a dock on mine that looks like mac
[05:56] <Ishmael> sudo k3b?
[05:56] <VisuaWare> vista is ghey as hell.. u wanna buy my vista 64 pro or ultimate i forgot wich lol
[05:56] <Sw3RvE> vista blows
[05:57] <Sw3RvE> they make you use more ram and a faster cpu so you have to buy new hardware
[05:57] <VisuaWare> i paid for that shit.. and never used it for more than a weekend.. and it went OUT
[05:57] <Sw3RvE> Windows 7 is going to be the same way unless they make some major improvements on that beta.
[05:57] <Ishmael> this should be the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
[05:58] <Sw3RvE> my laptop that im using now came with vista. i took it off bc it took like 2-3 mins to boot and idle.
[05:58] <Ishmael> windows 7 is just a picture of hitler, it's been confirmed
[05:59] <Sw3RvE> good song lol
[05:59] <Sw3RvE> so is this guy going to keep opening things until it freezes or what
[05:59] <Ishmael> 1:35 when he goes to linux
[05:59] <Ishmael> he's showing vista's graphic features maxed out, vs linux
[06:00] <Sw3RvE> dude
[06:00] <Ishmael> you will shit brix
[06:00] <Sw3RvE> what is that making it like fireworks exploding
[06:00] <Sw3RvE> that was awesome
[06:00] <Ishmael> there's a list of what he has installed somewhere, it might just be on the end of the video
[06:00] <VisuaWare> Ishmael trying sudo insted of the add/rem way.. will see if works there
[06:01] <Ishmael> VisuaWare, i think i installed it with "sudo apt-get install k3b"
[06:01] <VisuaWare> im doing that now
[06:01] <Ishmael> if that doesn't work, i'm very confused
[06:01] <Sw3RvE> damn my dock cant do that nunchuck thing lol
[06:01] <VisuaWare> worked like a charm :P
[06:02] <Ishmael> Sw3RvE, didn't see the list on that video, but there IS a list somewhere, google/youtube has it somewhere
[06:02] <Sw3RvE> i need a job so i can build my new pc.
[06:02] <Sw3RvE> lmfao i love the end of the video
[06:02] <Ishmael> VisuaWare, awesome, and if you haven't heard of devede, you should get that as well
[06:03] <Sw3RvE> is it called Beryl
[06:03] <Ishmael> VisuaWare, well, if you author your own dvd's from...other sources
[06:03] <Ishmael> Sw3RvE, that's it? kk, i thought he had certain packs installed, i'm not familiar with beryl, my system can't handle that
[06:04] <VisuaWare> ish, will look at it, tho i just need backup old chit now that i throw out windows lol
[06:05] <Sw3RvE> idk i saw a thumbnail for a video and it has a window on fire
[06:05] <Sw3RvE> so im sure thats one of the apps he had.
[06:05] <Ishmael> VisuaWare, i had to run k3b as root; "sudo k3b" from command line to burn; but apparently there is a safer way to do it, i think it involves changing the permissions of the drive
[06:05] <Sw3RvE> im still trying to figure out how to change my icons lol
[06:06] <VisuaWare> possibly any 3ddemo scene geeks in here who know if any such avalible with some kick a-ss chit.. as in dotprodukt and such :P im sure they made some for opengl too on linux.. cant all be DirectX jerks
[06:08] <VisuaWare> ya i wanna see how smooth the chit runs on linux :P when windows aint hogging all the juice lol
[06:08] <Ishmael> good luck with that
[06:11] <Myrtti> VisuaWare: mind your language, please.
[06:12] <Sw3RvE> hey myrtti
[06:16] <Sw3RvE> Ishmael: Do i have to install something to make my terminal transparent?
[06:17] <Ishmael> i don't know anything about that, sorry
[06:17] <Ishmael> but let me look around a bit
[06:17] <Sw3RvE> alright
[06:20] <Ishmael> http://www.xfce.org/xfwm4-theme-howto/
[06:21] <Sw3RvE> oh so is this for any window or is it for terminal only?
[06:23] <Sw3RvE> it looks like a theme for every window
[06:23] <Sw3RvE> right?
[06:24] <Ishmael> from the picture you put up, looks like every window
[06:25] <Sw3RvE> i thought that was the compositor window manager tweaks. i cant get the terminal to look like that tho...
[06:25] <Sw3RvE> right now, i have the boarders or decorations transparent and the inactive windows are transparent as well.
[06:25] <Ishmael> have you tried asking in #ubuntu ? looks like i'm the only other active person here, and i'm still new to xubuntu
[06:26] <Sw3RvE> same here ive had it for about 4 days lol
[06:27] <Ishmael> and i'm running it on an old rack-mounted server :D it's not exactly geared towards looking pretty
[06:27] <Sw3RvE> lol
[06:27] <Sw3RvE> im running mine on my laptop
[06:28] <Sw3RvE> i like xubuntu better than XP
[06:28] <Ishmael> what kind o' laptop? and what wireless chipset do you have?
[06:28] <Sw3RvE> i forgot. id have to get on XP to check. i have a dell inspiron 1501
[06:29] <Sw3RvE> i havnt used wireless yet. i dont even know how to use it on ubuntu.
[06:29] <Sw3RvE> i installed Wi-Fi Radar the other day tho. im going to get my teacher to set it up saturday in class.
[06:29] <Ishmael> i think it's broadcom, according to google
[06:29] <wormsxulla_> Sw3RvE: the network-manager manages wifi
[06:29] <Sw3RvE> yea thats it
[06:30] <Sw3RvE> worms if your talking about the icon by the clock that thing sucks. i need a GUI... lol
[06:30] <Sw3RvE> it wanted the SSID and MAC address of the access point... like im going to know that every time im trying to get online.
[06:31] <Ishmael> there are lists online, so if you want a specific chipset you can price check the different models against each other
[06:31] <Sw3RvE> price check?
[06:31] <Ishmael> kismet
[06:31] <Ishmael> if you were to want to buy one
[06:31] <Ishmael> i had a removable atheros chipset card
[06:31] <Sw3RvE> buy what...
[06:31] <Sw3RvE> oh
[06:32] <Ishmael> then you can script-hack WEP! :D  it makes me feel like a man
[06:32] <Sw3RvE> my wireless works. i just havnt used it on ubuntu or xubuntu yet.
[06:32] <Sw3RvE> you can get passed wep with linux? a guy my old job told me that but i thought he was messing with me.
[06:34] <Myrtti> tranparency can be done with pseudo transparency or with real transparency. latter requires compositor to be put on. it can be put on from applications - settings - settings manager - window manager tweaks - compositor.
[06:35] <Sw3RvE> i think that the terminal in the picture im looking at is an inactive window. i just noticed the right click menu on the desktop...
[06:36] <Sw3RvE> i have transparency on right now Myrtti. i just thought there was a way to make Terminal transparent when it is active.
[06:37] <Myrtti> yeah, it is possible. enabling that compositor is the way, given that the transparency is on in the terminal it self.
[06:38] <Sw3RvE> which setting do i adjust to make an Active window transparent tho? or do i have to enable transparency on terminal now?
[06:40] <Myrtti> graah, train leaves soon, catch you later
[06:40] <Sw3RvE> c ya
[06:41] <Ishmael> Sw3RvE, look up backtrack for the wep cracking, their program combo is aircrack if i remember correctly
[06:41] <Ishmael> wow, trains?
[06:41] <Sw3RvE> choo choo
[06:43] <Sw3RvE> Ishmael is backtrack an OS?
[06:46] <Sw3RvE> or like a live cd?
[06:47] <Ishmael> live cd
[06:47] <Ishmael> well
[06:47] <Ishmael> i think whax is the os
[06:47] <R1cochet> running brasero in terminal and im getting "segmentation fault" just creating chksum is about to finish
[06:48] <Ishmael> but since you already have linux, the program list is what you need
[06:48] <Sw3RvE> good, thats more convenient :)
[06:49] <R1cochet> how can i fix to issue to burn data to a dvd
[06:49] <R1cochet> tthe*
[07:01] <volo> hi
[08:17] <Sw3RvE> how do i delete the Trash, File System, and Home icons from my desktop?
[08:34] <VisuaWare> right click the desktop,  Desktop Settings,  and on the behavior tab u can disable them
[08:34] <Sw3RvE> thank you :) that was easy
[11:28] <Darth_Tux> hi sinbox
[11:28] <sinbox> hi Darth_Tux
[11:28] <Darth_Tux> hows it goin?
[11:28] <sinbox> OKish
[11:29] <Darth_Tux> yeah, that kinds sums it up
[13:18] <volo> hi
[13:59] <Tengen> i am giving away my old laptop with a linux/windows dual boot. I need to make Windows the defualt OS in grub. How do i do that? Also the CD drive is broken, so disks are not an option
[14:14] <Tengen> i am giving away my old laptop with a linux/windows dual boot. I need to make Windows the defualt OS in grub. How do i do that? Also the CD drive is broken, so disks are not an option
[14:14] <knome> Tengen, you should edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:16] <Tengen> which part do i edit?
[14:23] <knome> Tengen, open the dile and read the comments on it.
[14:23] <pleia2> Tengen: at the top there should be a line that says something like "default 0", you want to change 0 to whatever number in the list Windows is
[14:25] <Tengen> i don't see what number it is
[14:27] <knome> Tengen, first enrty is 0, second is 1 etc.
[14:27] <Tengen> ahh, oke
[14:27] <Tengen> trying now
[14:28] <Tengen> it says "Can't open file to write"  when i try to save in mousepad
[14:29] <knome> Tengen, 'gksudo mousepad'
[14:29] <knome> Tengen, (you need to be root to edit it)
[14:30] <Tengen> thx
[14:31] <Tengen> how do i make the menu hidden by default?
[14:31] <Tengen> i see the line for it, but i don't know what to do with it
[14:32] <Tengen> rebooting
[14:34] <Tengen> ok, almost had it, i went to "other operating systems" need to add 1
[14:41] <Tengen> ok, is there any way to format the linux partitions to NTFS with out using a boot disk?
[14:41] <knome> Tengen, with windows booted, you should be able to remove the partitions, but unneeded to say, you'll lose the data anyway.
[14:42] <knome> Tengen, after that you will be able to create new partitions with ntfs
[14:42] <Tengen> well widnwos doesn't see the partitions
[14:42] <Tengen> windows*
[16:04] <Raybdbomb> update-apt-xapian-index
[16:04] <Raybdbomb> what the crap is this and why is it running and clogging my system
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> Raybdbomb, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+package/apt-xapian-index
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> Raybdbomb, http://archive.fosdem.org/2008/schedule/events/debian_apt_xapian_index
[16:18] <Pres-Gas> There is a Media link that is Ogg Theora
[16:20] <Pres-Gas> Part of Ubuntu Core
[16:21] <naplesdragon> hello everyone
[16:21] <Pres-Gas> Hey, naplesdragon
[16:21] <chewit> hello
[16:22] <naplesdragon> i have read on the xubuntu website that here you do offer help
[16:22] <Pres-Gas> !question
[16:22] <genii> Raybdbomb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1062688   may work for you.
[16:22] <naplesdragon> how do i get an ATi Radeon 9200SE to work?
[16:23] <naplesdragon> with 8.10?
[16:23] <Pres-Gas> !ati
[16:23] <chewit> you could use two methods
[16:24] <chewit> you could use restricted drivers or use the opensource ones
[16:25] <naplesdragon> well i wanted to install xubuntu to create a homeserver but after the bootloader it is all black
[16:26] <chewit> do u get the xubuntu splash screen
[16:26] <chewit> loading bar
[16:27] <naplesdragon> well the instalation worked but after the instalation my monitor gives me "current Frequencys not supported" after the bootmanager
[16:27] <naplesdragon> no loadingbar
[16:30] <Raybdbomb> thx thx, it went away on its own ;)
[16:32] <naplesdragon> and i am really a newbie with linux i run it on my laptop and it worked out of the box
[16:34] <chewit> ah
[16:34] <chewit> u have the same issue as me
[16:34] <chewit> the resoultion set by xubuntu is too high for ur monitor to manage
[16:35] <chewit> it happens me every  time I reinstall xubuntu
[16:35] <chewit> so much for a bullet proof xorg
[16:35] <naplesdragon> no the problem isn'T on the laptop
[16:35] <naplesdragon> i am installing on a new system
[16:35] <chewit> yeh
[16:35] <chewit> i know, thats what ur message means
[16:36] <naplesdragon> well so how do i solve that?
[16:36] <naplesdragon> sry when i am annoying
[16:36] <chewit> its hard for linux newbies, i find it hard (i have been using linux for over a year)
[16:37] <chewit> when you get passed the bootloader
[16:37] <chewit> and u get that message press
[16:37] <chewit> ctrl + alt + f2
[17:14] <knome> !dvd
[17:15] <naplesdragon> thx chewit for helping me with the ATi problem
[17:15] <bedmunds> Just installed Xubuntu on my old Dell Dimension Box, Impressed with how well it runs...........I want to upgrade the video card though. Old ATI X300 ==No Compiz Eye Candy.
[17:17] <chewit> u can get compiz on that card
[17:17] <naplesdragon> can anyone help me to set up a homeserver
[17:18] <bedmunds> really? I installed the drivers with Envy, set dual monitors, everything was running sweet.........installed compiz and no go, i just assumed I was using an outdated card.
[17:18] <bedmunds> naplesdragon, what's your issue with your homeserver?
[17:19] <slow-motion> hi
[17:19] <bedmunds> hi
[17:19] <chewit> u may not have 3d enabled
[17:20] <chewit> run glxinfo in termina;
[17:21] <bedmunds> just the command "glxinfo"?
[17:22] <naplesdragon> does anyone know how to set up a network with xubuntu 8.10
[17:22] <chewit> yeh
[17:23] <zoredache> naplesdragon: what do you mean when you say network?  filesharing, connection sharing, dhcp, ......
[17:23] <chewit> then look for an output line which says direct rendering
[17:24] <bedmunds> look for yes or no, and then if it says no enable it correct?
[17:25] <chewit> it needs to say yes
[17:25] <chewit> if it says no, u do not have 3d support
[17:27] <bedmunds> 3d support on that card or it means I don't have 3d support enabled?
[17:27] <chewit> Yes = 3D enabled
[17:27] <chewit> No = 3D not enabled
[17:28] <bedmunds> hehe..........thanks. I'm on my work laptop now (Ubuntu 8.10 64bit), but I will definitely give that a try tonight!
[17:28] <chewit> k
[17:28] <chewit> if it says no, u will have reinstall the drivers
[17:28] <naplesdragon> where u from? US?
[17:28] <chewit> maybe use restricted drivers
[17:29] <bedmunds> okay, thanks a lot for the advice
[17:29] <chewit> np
[17:29] <bedmunds> naplesdragon, yes I'm from the US (Denver)
[17:30] <naplesdragon> well thats y ur saying tonight
[17:30] <naplesdragon> coz i am here in Europe(naples)
[17:32] <bedmunds> hehe, yep...it's 10:30 am here.
[17:32] <naplesdragon> 6:30 PM
[17:32] <naplesdragon> or 18:30 in europe
[17:49] <zoredache> !ics
[17:49] <naplesdragon> thx
[17:49] <naplesdragon> zoredache
[17:53] <naplesdragon> i'll try it
[18:07] <bedmunds> naples, how did pm earlier? (new to IRC)....MSG <NICK> <Message>?
[18:08] <naplesdragon> well i dunno
[18:08] <naplesdragon> i am using xChat
[18:09] <naplesdragon> just rightclick on name and put private mail
[18:09] <naplesdragon> like new window
[18:10] <bedmunds> QUERY naplesdragon
[18:11] <bedmunds> ohh
[18:11] <bedmunds> cool
[18:11] <bedmunds> yeah, i'm using xchat
[18:19] <bakerj> how bloated is xubuntu when i install it from the CD?
[18:20] <bakerj> ie. is there like open-office a billion other apps
[18:21] <knome> how can i check a dvd for i/o errors without having to watch it from beginning to end?
[18:22] <knome> bakerj, not much.
[18:27] <bedmunds> bakerj, I found it to be light....I don't know if Open Office is even on there at all. Even the menus are condensed (this is a big plus for me), The Systems/application menu are consolidated.
[18:40] <tempuser> Hi! I installed xubuntu 8.10 using desktop CD. I use old /home partition from Xubuntu 7.10. I had two user accounts there. I made the user account created in installation by same name as it was in old system, and imported both accounts when asked by the installation program. Still, I can't log in to the second account and it is not visible in the users and groups dialog. The respective directory is still there under /home. How can you
[18:40] <gabkdlly> bakerj: open-office is not included
[18:40] <gabkdlly> bakerj: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xubuntu-desktop
[18:40] <gabkdlly> bakerj: that is an exhaustive list of what is included
[18:41] <gabkdlly> knome: I guess you could cat the entire DVD to /dev/null
[18:41] <bakerj> thanks
[18:43] <gabkdlly> tempuser: what happens when you try to log in?
[18:43] <tempuser> gabkdlly: I just installed xubuntu 8.10 (in Finnish language) using the desktop CD and after installation I have openoffice installed.
[18:44] <tempuser> gabkdlly: It says my password is wrong or something like that.
[18:44] <tempuser> gabkdlly: But I can't reset the password since the account is not visible in the dialog.
[18:45] <gabkdlly> tempuser: there is a graphical tool to manage accounts
[18:45] <gabkdlly> tempuser: I have never "imported" accounts myself, so I don't know how that works
[18:46] <gabkdlly> tempuser: as an administrator, you are able to reset the passwords of other accounts
[18:48] <gabkdlly> tempuser: Applications -> System -> Users and Groups
[18:50] <tempuser> gabkdlly: Yes, I tried that, but the account is not visible in the tool.
[18:51] <gabkdlly> tempuser: I suggest you create the user you want, and then chmod the folder you already have to that user
[19:00] <bedmunds> tempuser, did the account show up in the passwd file? (cat /etc/passwd)
[19:01] <bedmunds> NICK brandonban6
[19:01] <bedmunds> hmm
[19:03] <tempuser> gabkdlly: Why chmod? I think I'll have to rename the old directory temporarily.
[19:05] <bedmunds> tempuser, give the same group permissions, you shouldn't have to rename at all.
[19:05] <gabkdlly> tempuser: sorry, I meant chown
[19:12] <ranok> Hello, where might I find the minimum system reqs for Xubuntu?
[19:12] <ranok> (version 8.10)
[19:12] <ranok> I have a computer that I'm putting together
[19:12] <ranok> and I want to make sure there's plenty of memory/CPU left for applications w/o a major slowdown
[19:13] <bedmunds> Minimum system requirements
[19:13] <bedmunds> You need 128 MB RAM to run the Live CD or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM at install time. To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk. Once installed, Xubuntu can run with 192 MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[19:13] <bedmunds> source: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[19:13] <ranok> ah, thank you very much bedmunds
[19:14] <bedmunds> np
[19:14] <ranok> this is nice and lightweight
[19:14] <ranok> no bloated GNOME
[19:15] <bedmunds> for what its worth.........I just installed it on my old Dell Dimension 8400 and find it to be a screaming OS.........very fast. I love it.
[19:15] <ranok> ah, very good to hear
[19:15] <ranok> I want the OS to fade into the BG, leaving plenty of speed for my apps
[19:16] <gabkdlly> ranok: I have actually installed Xubuntu on a machine with 128MB of RAM, but it was pretty  much unusable whenever the database update was running in the background, since it would swap non-stop at those times
[19:17] <ranok> ah, ok
[19:17] <ranok> my computer should be fine, I just wanted to get a feel for how much resources it'll use up
[19:17] <naplesdragon> mine runs on 256MB ram
[19:18] <ranok> I'm going to install it on my new Core i7 machine with 6GB of DDR3 ram
[19:18] <bedmunds> yeah, my dell has a p4, 512 mb of RAM.
[19:18] <bedmunds> are you using the 64bit distro then?
[19:18] <ranok> yes
[19:19] <ranok> as long as it'll work with my GFX card
[19:19] <naplesdragon> well i installed for a friend ubuntu 8gb ram 64bit an P2
[19:19] <naplesdragon> and it runs perfekt
[19:20] <ranok> P2?
[19:20] <bedmunds> Sweet! I read somewhere that Xubuntu was the Xfce distro with 64bit support.
[19:20] <bedmunds> only*
[19:20] <naplesdragon> Phenom 2
[19:21] <ranok> yeah, I'm excited
[19:21] <zoredache> debian supports 64bit, and has xfce available in the repositories.
[19:21] <ranok> it's going to be a very speedy machine I hope
[19:21] <bedmunds> right, so it's not native....as xubuntu.
[19:24] <zoredache> bedmunds: if you say so...  xfce, kde, gnome, are all options that can be installed.  With lenny, one of the installer cd comes with primarily xfce packages
[19:28] <ranok> native is not a very good word for that
[19:34] <bedmunds> thanks zoredache, ranok you provoked my curiosity and went searching for where I read that, what it actually states "Additionally, Xubuntu is the only Xfce-based distribution with a native 64-bit architecture.", which is not what originally said above, so please allow me to retract my previous statement and I apologize for any confusion.
[19:34] <bedmunds> source: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/About
[19:34] <bedmunds> Hey it's wiki that means 100% correct right?!?!? :P
[19:36] <zoredache> well, I think it was correct when it was last edited on 2008-8-6... But when lenny became stable a week ago, things changed
[19:37] <bedmunds> :) Someday I'll branch out to other distros.......but baby steps, I just left windows.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> zoredache: fixed that part
[19:46] <ranok> bedmunds: :)
[19:47] <rocko> hello charlie-tca how are you?
[19:49] <zoredache> charlie-tca: perhaps it should say '... was the first Xfce-based'?
[19:49] <zoredache> charlie-tca: I doubt it makes that much of a difference though...
[19:50] <charlie-tca> rocko: doing fine.
[19:50] <rocko> good
[19:50] <charlie-tca> zoredache: I'll think about it a bit. At least it is accurate now
[19:50]  * charlie-tca has issues with inaccuracies
[20:01] <sowdoggy> hi all, what package delivers python library pnkdf2
[20:01] <sowdoggy> pbkdf2 i mean
[20:02] <zoredache> nothing is showing up in search with apt-cache...   Their might not be a package
[20:03] <sowdoggy> hmm, thats too bad, I'm trying to use cnetworkmanager
[20:04] <zoredache> sowdoggy: if you are looking at (http://www.dlitz.net/software/python-pbkdf2/) the entire 'library' is a single file.  You should be able to simply download it and put it in somewhere that is in your pythonpath
[20:05] <sowdoggy> zoredache, ah thanks, ill give it a shot
[20:06] <zoredache> it will probably belong in /usr/lib/python2.5/
[20:06] <bedmunds> wow charlie-tca , thats a way to get things done!
[20:08] <zoredache> sowdoggy: There does seem to be a copy of pbkdf2.py is in cnetworkmanager git tree
[20:09] <sowdoggy> zoredache, git tree?
[20:10] <zoredache> sowdoggy: git is a version control system.  this http://repo.or.cz/w/cnetworkmanager.git?a=tree appears to be the 'official' location for cnetworkmanager
[20:12] <zoredache> somebody should package this.  it looks useful...
[20:13] <zoredache> about 8 months ago I was looking for something like this, except it didn't exist then.
[20:14] <sowdoggy> zoredache, spot on! the pbkdf2 works, thanks zoredache
[20:34] <xikkub> is there a taskkill terminal command in debian\xubuntu?
[20:35] <TheSheep> xikkub: what would it do?
[20:35] <xikkub> end tasks
[20:35] <xikkub> so i can end firefox
[20:35] <TheSheep> kill
[20:35] <TheSheep> and they are called processes
[20:36] <xikkub> how can i see the processes
[20:36] <xikkub> like get the pis
[20:36] <xikkub> pids
[20:36] <TheSheep> ps
[20:36] <knome> ps -A
[20:36] <TheSheep> ps x
[20:36] <TheSheep> :)
[20:36] <TheSheep> xikkub: you can also use gui-based System Monitor, it's under System
[20:37] <xikkub> i prefer terminal, thank you very much though
[20:37] <xikkub> i killed rick astley
[20:37] <TheSheep> rickrolls are annoying
[20:38] <TheSheep> you can also use top
[20:38] <TheSheep> for gui in terminal :)
[20:38] <knome> htop > top
[20:38] <TheSheep> knome: pfft
[20:39] <TheSheep> xikkub: don't listen to him, he's been brainwashed by the marketing department ;)
[20:39] <xikkub> lol k
[20:39] <xikkub> thanks guys
[20:39] <TheSheep> actually he *is* our marketing department ;)
[20:39] <knome> he left.
[20:43]  * charlie-tca thinks marketing could use a few more *good* people
[21:19] <xikkub> hola senoras
[21:26] <zoredache> are mouse pointers part of an application, part of the desktop enviroment, or part of xorg?  Specifically, how can I control the mouse pointer in something like xfce4-terminal?
[21:41] <Dillizar> how can i make a altered version of xubuntu and then make a live cd from it??
[21:49] <knome> !custom
[21:49] <knome> hmm..
[21:50] <knome> !remaster | Dillizar
[22:00] <Dillizar> knome, thats a lot dude :D hahaha a Lcars linux its on his way :D
[22:23] <Sw3RvE> i need help updating Transmission
[22:25] <knome> !update
[22:25] <knome> !source
[22:25] <knome> !building
[22:34] <Sw3RvE> http://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5604
[22:34] <Sw3RvE> can someone walk me through this? i dont know which parts i need and which i dont.
[22:35] <Sw3RvE> guys in the transmission channel arent much help besides the link. lol
[22:37] <LordNLptp> how do i get to any sort of network/wireless configuration dialog in xubuntu, or does such a thing not exist?
[22:37] <LordNLptp> i need to temporarily switch everything to dhcp after a local network gateway machine failed
[22:38] <charlie-tca> click the double computer in the panel
[22:51] <R1cochet> when i go to play a video i get a popup that says: "Failed to contact configuration server"
[22:52] <R1cochet> and when i try to open synaptic when it asks for password i type it in but it says that its incorrect
[22:54] <charlie-tca> The synaptic password should be your login password, but if you have more than one user, you have to have admin rights, too
[22:54] <R1cochet> its only me and it was working up till last night
[22:54] <R1cochet> i did clear my /tmp folder
[22:55] <brandonban6> R1cochet, .........this may sound like an odd question, but are you running likewise open by chance?
[22:55] <R1cochet> nope
[22:56] <brandonban6> ah good. and you can log in and off okay?
[23:00] <R1cochet> not sure i havent tried yet
[23:03] <brandonban6> weird. Do you have any broken packages? Anything that didn't install right or got hung up in the install?
[23:03] <R1cochet> not that im aware of
[23:05] <R1cochet> ill try to log in and out
[23:05] <R1cochet> brb
[23:05] <brandonban6> k
[23:07] <R1cochet> all seems well now
[23:08] <R1cochet> thank you
[23:08] <R1cochet> i just didnt want to log out and not be able to get back in. synaptic will open now so root password is working
[23:09] <brandonban6> sorry i disconnected myself, what happened?
[23:10] <brandonban6> so synaptic works, now you just can't play a video?
[23:10] <R1cochet> nope video is working also
[23:11] <R1cochet> i was getting an error when i would play a video, something about gconf, but the video would play.
[23:11] <R1cochet> but all seems well now
[23:11] <R1cochet> thank you much


[05:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[05:05] <wgrant> Morning czajkowski
[05:06] <StevenK> czajkowski: Hai
[05:20] <czajkowski> hey you two :)
[05:20] <czajkowski> how's things?
[05:27] <StevenK> czajkowski: Going well
[13:01] <czajkowski> elmo: ping you about ?
[13:02] <elmo> czajkowski: yeah
[13:03] <czajkowski> elmo: free for a very quick pm ?
[13:03] <elmo> sure
[13:03] <czajkowski> elmo: thanks :)
[19:34] <TheLordOfTime> how long does it normally take for the PPAs to get updates published in them?
[19:36] <ggherdov> TheLordOfTime: it depends on the packager guy, I guess?
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> ggherdov: try again, or reread what I'm stating
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> i have a PPA
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> i already uploaded source
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> the thing still has the OLDER software in it
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> even though it's finished building the latest update
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> it says "Pending publication"
[19:36] <TheLordOfTime> how long before that's actually Published?
[19:37] <ggherdov> TheLordOfTime: yes. I misread you. No idea, then.
[20:08] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: Usually around ten minutes
[20:08] <TheLordOfTime> cjwatson: no way to increase the speed, I take it?  (by now, it's already published, but still)
[20:08] <cjwatson> TheLordOfTime: It's on a single machine and that's about as fast as it can get round all the PPAs
[20:09] <cjwatson> The cron job's actually set to every five minutes, but last I checked, every other run failed to acquire the lock because the previous run was still in progress
[20:10] <cjwatson> There's certainly been some investigation on speeding things up in the sense that we basically always want to make the publisher go faster (and the single-point-of-failure thing is problematic, too), but it's serious development work, not just twiddling a knob