[10:10] <ogra_> hmm, who is responsible for uec-images.u.c .... ? seems the release/ link got missing on http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/
[16:48] <slangasek> ogra_: that's an alias for http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/ and is gaughen's team; rcj or Odd_Bloke might know something


[00:04] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick version in precise is higher than in quantal.... yet probably the security update should have been pushed to both?
[00:05] <xnox> nevermind I have both...
[00:17] <RAOF> xnox: That looks like it should have been pushed to Quantal, yes.
[00:18] <xnox> RAOF: funny thing in my sources I only have quantal, yet I have 3.1 available
[00:18] <xnox> let me double check
[00:19] <RAOF> I don't have 3.1 available, nor does rmadison show that for quantal.
[00:20] <micahg> yeah, that should've been copied, it was published the first week of may
[00:21] <micahg> the package could use a merge from Debian anyways though
[00:21] <xnox>  libmagickcore-dev : Depends: libmagickcore4 (= 8:<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu3) but 8:<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[00:21]  * xnox just had that a moment ago
[00:21] <xnox> I did apt-get update just now, and it's gone now.
[00:22] <micahg> xnox: that would happen if you had precise installed without the dev package, got the update before updating to quantal, then tried to install the dev package on quantal
[00:22] <xnox> aha =)
[00:22] <xnox> yes, of course.
[00:22] <xnox> yeap, I did upgrade less than 5 weeks ago.
[00:23] <micahg> so, if someone with copy powers can make it so, that would be great
[00:24]  * micahg tries a test build on quantal (if it works, I'll do a no change upload)
[00:35] <micahg> test build worked |)
[00:43] <Daviey> micahg: can you clarify the situation ?
[00:44] <micahg> Daviey: are you AA enough to copy something yet?
[00:44] <Daviey> micahg: i believe so.. but i'd like to clarify the issue :)
[00:44] <micahg> Daviey: this security update pushed on 1 May wasn't copied to quantal as it should've been
[00:45] <Daviey> imagemagick ?
[00:45] <micahg> yes
[00:45] <micahg> I could do a no change upload, but I think a merge from Debian would be more useful
[00:46] <Daviey> micahg: then why not just merge from Debian?
[00:46] <micahg> Daviey: I don't have time ATM :)
[00:53] <skaet> micahg,  any specific issue with Firefox 13 beta 6?  (its for an alpha)
[00:55] <micahg> skaet: there were 2 small bugs fixed in beta 7, but no show stoppers AFAIK
[00:56] <micahg> one is Mac only
[00:57] <micahg> the other is fixing a potential crasher, not a blocker IMHO for an alpha, was mainly wondering about the beta 6 label on the package
[00:59] <skaet> micahg,  beta 6 should be fine for alpha - its all work in progress.   Don't think there should be an issue using beta label,  we release kernel in the milestones with -rc# s.   If others know an issue though I'm overlooking, they're welcome to chime in.  ;)
[00:59] <skaet> when will beta 7 be landing?
[01:02] <micahg> skaet: it won't the next upload would probably be 14 beta 7 (we're on 13 now) after alpha 1 is released
[01:02] <skaet> micahg,  then beta 6 should be fine.
[01:02] <micahg> ok, thanks :)
[01:02] <skaet> Just add the known issues to the TechnicalOverview (which I'm about to create ;) )
[01:03] <micahg> I wouldn't even think it known issue worthy
[01:03] <micahg> but if any come up, I'll be sure to let you know :)
[01:04] <skaet> fair 'nuf.   :)  thanks
[01:04] <tumbleweed> micahg: AFAIK if you can upload a package, you can copy it
[01:04] <micahg> tumbleweed: ORLY?  I thought that was AA only
[01:04]  * micahg tries
[01:10] <micahg> well, u-a-t doesn't seem to have a script that can just copy (this was done server side AFAIK)
[01:10]  * stgraber tries
[01:12] <stgraber> micahg: lp-shell didn't complain at least
[01:12] <micahg> stgraber: right, my lp-shell-foo is lacking :)
[01:12] <stgraber> micahg: yep, worked
[01:12] <micahg> stgraber: thanks, Daviey, you can stand down :)
[01:12] <stgraber> lp-shell production devel
[01:12] <stgraber> archive=lp.distributions['ubuntu'].archives[0]
[01:13] <stgraber> archive.copyPackage(from_archive=archive, include_binaries=True, source_name="imagemagick", to_pocket="release", to_series="quantal", version="8:<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu3.1")
[01:13] <stgraber> and that's it :)
[01:18] <Daviey> stgraber: I was just writing a damn script doing that
[01:19] <stgraber> < 5 lines => not worth a script ;)
[01:20] <Daviey> stgraber: well, i disagree.. I was writing something reusable with confirmation.
[01:20] <micahg> Daviey: I think the script exists, it just needed to be moved to u-a-t
[01:20] <micahg> or rewritten to work in the world of non-local AA tasks
[01:20] <Daviey> micahg: no, i don't think there is one that uses the API
[01:21] <micahg> Daviey: right
[01:21] <Daviey> exactly, which is what i was doing.
[01:21] <tumbleweed> sru-accept includes code to do that, if you tell it to
[01:22] <micahg> well, if it's in -proposed (which this never was)
[01:22] <micahg> sru-accept?
[01:22] <tumbleweed> err I mean sru-release
[01:28] <Daviey> load average: 1003.85, 1001.70, 903.73 ... hmm.. what did i do?
[01:29] <stgraber> fork bomb? :)
[01:30] <Daviey> hah, no..
[02:02] <xnox> thanks all for fixing imagemagick =)
[02:04] <stgraber> xnox: np, was fun to finally test copyPackage() ;)
[02:05]  * xnox tries to think of something else to amuse stgraber
[02:05] <xnox> stgraber: do you want to have fun with deleting binaries? =)
[02:06] <stgraber> I don't have access to that kind of fun
[02:06] <xnox> bug 1007970
[02:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1007970 in bitcoin "please remove powerpc binaries" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1007970
[02:06] <xnox> stgraber: but I was sure that it was migrated to the new type of tools et al
[02:07] <stgraber> I know cjwatson tested package removals through the API but you still need an archive admin for them
[02:07] <xnox> ah ok.
[02:07]  * xnox no more amusment available for stgraber, please check back later ;-)
[02:08] <stgraber> unless someone decided to allow anyone with upload access to a package to also remove it and its binaries, which might to a certain extent make sense, but I don't think it's what was implemented
[02:09] <xnox> stgraber: sounds to permissive given that the stuff that you do *not* have upload rights for, may have already rebuild against it.
[02:10] <stgraber> true, but you could just as well upload a new version of the package and would also break the same set of rdepends, at some point we have to trust people :)
[02:11] <xnox> stgraber: oh so only at that point you gonna trust people.... =)
[02:11] <xnox> btw, stgraber for Developer Membership Boards, is it 2 application per type, or in total?
[02:11] <xnox> where type is type of developer membership
[02:12] <stgraber> xnox: total
[02:12] <xnox> =(
[02:12] <xnox> ok. So I will have to wait until 18th of June to try my luck
[02:12] <stgraber> we usually ask questions for more than 30min per applicant so we implemented that limit of two applicants to try and have us fit the meeting in our one hour slot
[02:13] <xnox> I see.
[02:13] <stgraber> we could probably ask less questions but it'd be a lot less fun :P
[02:13]  * xnox notes down that stgraber likes to amusement
[02:17] <jbicha> fun for who?
[02:34] <xnox> jbicha: i have started to type 'to amuse himself' then thought it might sound wrong and wanted to change it to "likes amusement"
[02:34] <xnox> obviously I forgot to drop 'to'
[02:34] <xnox> =)
[02:34] <Daviey> xnox: 'binary' right?
[02:35] <xnox> Daviey: well, yeah.... powerpc only ( I did not check if the previous version of the package has actually build one or multiple arch:any packages that succeded on powerpc)
[02:38] <Daviey> they would have been superseeded for free
[02:42] <xnox> Daviey: what do you mean? new package doesn't build for powerpc, long time ago it was, by error, listing powerpc as supported arch, but in fact it was not (builds, but does not run properly)
[02:43] <xnox> so.... even though there is a powerpc binary in the archive, it should not be there.
[02:43]  * xnox that is unless we care about powerpc at all....
[02:45] <Daviey> xnox: you mean prior series? Precise etc?
[02:46] <xnox> Daviey: all as far as I can see
[02:47] <xnox> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/quantal_outdate_all.txt
[02:47] <xnox> bitcoin <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1 bitcoind(powerpc) 0.3.24~dfsg-1 from 0.3.24~dfsg-1 [universe]
[02:48] <xnox> so package moved from: any -> [i386,amd64,arm-any]
[02:48] <xnox> because all other arches, even if succeed to build, do not work
[02:48] <Daviey> xnox: right.. Perhaps i'm tired.. but we are talking about different things :)
[02:48] <Daviey> src bitcoin produces bitcoind bin, right?
[02:48] <xnox> yeap
[02:49] <Daviey> so, one binary.. How would there be multiple prior versions in the same series?
[02:49] <xnox> Daviey: there is one version per arch, but different arches can have different versions
[02:50] <Daviey> but we are only talking about power, right?
[02:50] <xnox> Daviey: yes.
[02:50] <xnox> so, yeah on powerpc it is stuck at 0.3.24~dfsg-1
[02:51] <Daviey> Right.. so what others could there be?
[02:51] <xnox> on powerpc, none at all.
[02:51] <xnox> marking the package `any` was a mistake from the start.
[02:52] <Daviey> ok.. still not following.. but ok :)
[02:53] <Daviey> Anyway, there seems to b a 24hr delay for removals.. or some other bug.. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/0.3.24~dfsg-1/+publishinghistory  "Removal requested in 23 hours."
[02:54] <xnox> Daviey: http://bugs.debian.org/650805
[02:54] <xnox> fail wrong link.
[02:54] <xnox> aha http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668868
[02:54] <ubot2`> Debian bug 668868 in src:bitcoin "bitcoind: Assertion failed at startup on mips (big endian)" [Serious,Fixed]
[02:55] <Daviey> OH.. you mean other arches?
[02:55] <stgraber> Daviey: my understanding is that bitcoin (source) produces bitcoind (binary). In the past bitcoin was arch=any so produced bitcoind for powerpc. Nowadays bitcoin is arch=any-but-not-powerpc so no longer produces the bitcoind powerpc binary. Which left us with an outdated (pre-arch-field-change) version of bitcoind in quantal and for powerpc only
[02:56] <ScottK> Which should be removed (on powerpc)
[02:56] <stgraber> right
[02:56] <xnox> Daviey: that request seems to remove the whole source package, which is way too much
[02:56] <Daviey> stgraber: Yeah, i got that.. what confused me is that there seemed to be some doubt as to there being more than one binary to remove.
[02:56]  * xnox sorry about that confusion
[02:57] <Daviey> xnox: no, i'm probably tired. :)
[02:58] <stgraber> tired? it's only 4am on a weekend/bank holiday, perfectly normal time to work ;)
[02:58]  * xnox same here.
[02:58] <Daviey> nah, i'm on 3:00AM.. I work on UTC.
[02:58] <xnox> stgraber: are you based in the UK as well or just happen to have bank holiday as well.
[02:59] <Daviey> If the whole world adopted UTC working hours, life would be much more efficient.
[02:59] <jbicha> Daviey: I don't know, that's a bit early
[03:00] <stgraber> xnox: nah, was just referring to the situation for both Daviey and you. I live in Canada on eastern time, so it's the much more reasonable time of 11pm here :)
[03:00] <xnox> stgraber: Canada, eh?! =)
[03:01] <stgraber> Daviey: I'd definitely be happy with the whole world always using the UTC timezone and dropping the stupid DST, thought I'd still be waking up at 13:00UTC
[03:02] <stgraber> xnox: not hearing much "eh?" around here, mostly some weird french variant ;)
[03:02] <xnox> UTC... and synchronised with Narnia time
[03:02] <xnox> http://xkcd.com/1061/
[03:06] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview <- has framework in place now for Alpha 1 content to be added.
[03:11] <skaet> Also, "Ubuntu Release Calendar"(http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/) now has the key release schedule events on it for the next 6 months (mirrors what's on the wiki page)
[06:49] <jibel> mvo, good morning
[06:49] <jibel> mvo, could you look at update-manager, it failed to build on i386 and as a consequence images are uninstallable
[06:50] <jibel> mvo, there is a recursive build caused by a symlink on ./Distupgrade
[06:50] <jibel> mvo, introduced by this change in r391: Add a DistUpgrade -> . symlink in DistUpgrade/, to make it possible to have compatible imports both in update-manager proper and in dist-upgrader tarballs.
[07:09] <mvo> jibel: I have a look now
[09:22] <mvo> hm, I guess a new apt with a transition for libapt-inst1.4->libapt-inst1.5 is not a good idea at this time? the amount of rebuilds is pretty small as libapt-pkg4.12 is abi compatible
[10:08] <Daviey> mvo: might want to outline reasoning and list of rebuilds. :)
[10:18] <mvo> Daviey: *cough* reasoning? iz new version ;) but seriously, its the merge from debian, it can wait for after a1, it just happens to be read in my bzr repo
[10:27] <jibel> mvo, any news on update-manager ? it'd be nice to have images other than i386 for A1 :)
[10:30] <mvo> jibel: *cough* yes, after lunch
[10:31] <jibel> mvo, k, bon appétit !
[10:46] <Riddell> cjwatson: moving kubuntu bits to universe presumably needs changes to ubuntu-cdimage and livefs to create the images with universe?
[10:46] <Riddell> oh you're on holiday today
[11:16] <ogra_> Riddell, you arent ?!?!
[11:16] <ogra_> oh, Daviey is around too
[11:17] <ogra_> you must all love your queen, eh ?
[11:17] <ogra_> :P
[11:18] <Riddell> ogra_: I have too much kubuntu stuff to do to care about bank holidays just now
[11:19] <ogra_> heh
[11:27] <Daviey> ogra_: I am not around, i'm a hallucination.
[11:27] <ogra_> lol
[11:27]  * ogra_ pust down the crack pipe then, seems i overdid it
[12:33] <mvo> jibel: new u-m is uploaded, fingers crossed
[12:44] <jibel> mvo, successfully built ! Thanks
[13:00] <mvo> yeeeeeh!
[13:00] <mvo> :)
[13:21] <stgraber> good morning
[13:35]  * infinity wonders when promotion/demotion on component-mismatches was changed to "movement", and why he only just noticed.
[13:37] <skaet> good morning
[13:37] <knome> morning skaet! :)
[13:37] <skaet> :)
[13:38]  * skaet looks at IRC logs, and thank mvo for the fixed update-manager (fingers crossed)
[13:38] <skaet> has anyone kicked off the image rebuilds?
[13:38]  * skaet wondering if stgraber or NCommander are around
[13:39] <stgraber> skaet: I am
[13:39] <skaet> coolio.  :)
[13:39]  * NCommander wakes up
[13:39] <NCommander> Still enjoying morning diet coke
[13:39] <stgraber> skaet: was looking whether the archive is in a consistent enough state to try and kick some rebuilds
[13:40] <stgraber> skaet: already created Alpha 1 on the tracker and changed the config on nusakan to point to it, so anything that builds now will show up on the tracker
[13:40] <skaet> thanks stgraber,  that's what I was trying to figure out.    gap in IRC log and when I logged in ;)
[13:40] <ogra_> dont bother with arm images though
[13:40] <stgraber> ogra_: ok :)
[13:40] <ogra_> we're still waiting for the MIR team
[13:40] <skaet> ogra_, ack.
[13:40] <ogra_> and desktop has compiz issues i'm currently trying to work around
[13:45] <skaet> ogra_,  what's the bug number of the blocking MIR
[13:45] <skaet> ?
[13:46] <ogra_> bug 1006717
[13:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1006717 in eilt "[MIR] linux-base" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006717
[13:46] <ogra_> i wonder why it picks the eilt project here ... that was surely added later
[13:46] <ogra_> silly bot
[13:47] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ :)
[13:47] <stgraber> skaet: turned off cron
[13:47] <NCommander> ogra_: probably alphabetizes it
[13:47] <NCommander> e > u afterall
[13:48] <NCommander> er
[13:48] <NCommander> e < u
[13:48] <ogra_> heh
[13:48] <skaet> thanks stgraber.
[13:48] <stgraber> skaet: (except for the precise daily builds that can still run without really affecting us)
[13:48] <skaet> good point.  :)
[13:49] <knome> stgraber, who was it to contact about the testcase wiki again?
[13:49] <stgraber> knome: jibel or balloons
[13:50] <knome> jibel, balloons: (since you are already highlighted:) hi! can you ping me once you're available; thanks! :)
[13:50] <knome> stgraber, thanks
[13:51]  * infinity fixes rpm, alien, lsb, (okay, that as all rpm), and linux-image-generic-pae issues, and goes to find some breakfast and ponder why he woke up at 6am.
[13:52] <ogra_> because your brain is still somewhere between china and canada i.e. over europe ?
[13:52]  * infinity adds erlang to the list.
[13:52] <ogra_> infinity, isnt it a bank holiday for you today anyway ?
[13:52] <infinity> ogra_: Is it?
[13:52] <ogra_> qell, there is that queen thing
[13:53] <infinity> Oh, pretty sure only the UK is slacking.
[13:53] <infinity> I've heard nothing about us doing so.
[13:53] <ogra_> i though that applies to all the commonwealth
[13:53] <infinity> We'd all have to have decided so individually.
[13:53] <infinity> The queen can't force law on us.
[13:53] <ogra_> ah
[13:54] <ogra_> poor you then
[13:54] <infinity> But, like I said, I've not heard anything about Canada slacking to party.
[13:54] <ogra_> :)
[13:54] <infinity> Odd reason to party anyway.
[13:54] <infinity> "Good job on being old and rich."
[13:54] <ogra_> heh
[13:58] <infinity> erlang should fix rabbitmq and maas.
[13:58] <infinity> stgraber: So, if you're doing servery respins (maas/rabbit are on server CDs, yes?), you might want to wait for a publisher cycle to see if testing-probs clears up from the fiddling I just did.
[13:58] <infinity> And happy PlusOne month to me.
[13:59] <stgraber> infinity: ok. I'm currently trying a desktop respin to check that amd64 actually builds now. Will avoid server for the next 30min
[14:00] <skaet> infinity,   stgraber,   not sure that Daviey's finished with his changes, so not sure what state its going to be in.  (ie. if its even ready to be spun)
[14:02] <stgraber> skaet: ubuntu-amd64 on kapok.buildd finished at 2012-06-04 14:01:57 (success)
[14:02] <stgraber> yay!
[14:02] <skaet> :D
[14:22] <jibel> knome, pong
[14:39] <skaet> stgraber,  NCommander - http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release has been started for Quantal A1.   Image builds still need to be reviewed and edited.
[14:40] <skaet> utlemming, any concerns about getting images ready for A1 this week?
[14:40] <stgraber> skaet: thanks. Still waiing for desktop powerpc to finish building...
[14:40] <utlemming> skaet: no ma'am. They should be good to go this week.
[14:41] <skaet> utlemming,  coolio.  :)
[14:41] <stgraber> oh, I guess I can build core though
[14:41] <skaet> :)
[14:41] <stgraber> hmm, or not, core is also a live image
[14:42] <ogra_> err
[14:43] <ogra_> core is a tarball
[14:43] <ogra_> (or at least should be)
[14:43] <skaet> stgraber,   lubuntu alternate should be ok to build.
[14:43] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah but built with buildlive
[14:43] <ogra_> yes
[14:44] <stgraber> skaet: indeed, triggering that one
[14:44]  * xnox has a highlight for alternate. yes keep building alternate cd's.
[14:44]  * xnox disappears
[14:54] <Laney> skaet: Can we get the alpha soft freezes on the schedule? :-)
[14:54] <stgraber> Laney: hehe, just poked skaet about it too ;)
[14:54] <micahg> skaet: just noticed that the release schedule doesn't seem to be clear at all about when alpha freezes are (we know them to be the Monday before release at 21:00 UTC)
[14:54] <Laney> hahahaha
[14:55] <Laney> there is no secret release schedule scrutinising cabal here
[14:55] <Laney> honst
[14:55] <Laney> honest
[14:55] <stgraber> skaet: right, so as I was telling you in pm, the DMB (^) was discussing it ;)
[14:55] <skaet> lol
[14:55] <micahg> well, 2 of you are in the release team :)
[14:55] <Laney> we don't have any secret channels :(
[14:56] <stgraber> micahg: 3 actually
[14:56] <ScottK> Not that you'll admit to.  They wouldn't be secret then.
[14:56] <stgraber> micahg: oh, you mean, talking in this channel, corect then :)
[14:56] <micahg> :)
[14:57]  * skaet just went to double check and they are on the Ubuntu Release Calendar.
[14:58] <skaet> however,  yes,  we need to send out the email.
[14:58] <Laney> there's a calendar?
[14:58] <skaet> Laney not sure I want to add them to the wiki pages though, since its another line, and makes things a bit confusing.
[14:59] <Laney> maybe put it in Notes?
[14:59] <Laney> Alpha 1 (Soft freeze Monday 04/06)
[14:59]  * Laney shrugs
[14:59] <skaet> yup,  that should be doable.
[15:05] <skaet> Laney, stgraber, ScottK, micahg - there's http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[15:05] <micahg> not linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[15:05] <micahg> and ^^ is where we generally point people AIUI
[15:05] <skaet> micahg,  oversite,  will fix.
[15:13] <skaet> michag, done
[15:20] <balloons> skaet, I thought we added the freeze to the interlock page?
[15:20]  * balloons looks and sees it's not the case
[15:49] <jdstrand> taking the publisher offline as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Special_case:_update-manager_updates
[15:52] <mvo> jibel: fwiw, I enabled precise->quantal in do-release-upgrade -d mode (normal upgrade mode, not lts upgrade mode)
[15:54] <jibel> mvo, great. server and desktop upgrade will start in 1h13min. We'll see how it goes.
[15:54] <mvo> cool
[15:58] <balloons> skaet, ping
[15:58] <stgraber> gah, who broke ruby? ...
[15:58] <stgraber> both Edubuntu images fail to build because of ruby not being installable
[15:59] <skaet> balloons, otp,  biab
[15:59]  * stgraber starts building lubuntu desktop while investigating the ruby problem
[16:02] <ScottK> stgraber: Debian recently made Ruby 1.9 default.   You didn't get that by sync did you?
[16:03] <infinity> stgraber: The ruby problem is in hand.
[16:04] <stgraber> infinity: good :)
[16:04] <infinity> stgraber: ruby-defaults came in via autosync, required us to rev ruby1.9.1, which I've just done.
[16:13] <jdstrand> publisher back online
[16:13] <infinity> jdstrand: Thanks for the review of linux-base.
[16:13] <jdstrand> np
[16:15] <skaet> ogra_ ^
[16:15] <infinity> jdstrand: Given that our kernel team is probably responsible for the lintian-sadness, and I have a couple of them on loan to me this month for +1, I'll use this as a good object lesson for training. :P
[16:16]  * ogra_ hugs jdstrand
[16:16] <jdstrand> infinity: cool :)
[16:16]  * infinity wishes doko was around to re-activate him in ~ubuntu-mir.
[16:16]  * jdstrand hugs ogra_ :)
[16:19] <stgraber> well, I guess it's time for lunch. Lubuntu desktop is building (waiting on powerpc), will then continue with Kubuntu and finally Edubuntu which should be buildable again by then
[16:20] <ogra_> compuiz fix is uploaded too ... sadly not to quantal-proposed though, i owe everyone a beer at next UDS for whom that caused trouble
[16:21] <infinity> ogra_: Should be fine.
[16:21] <ogra_> infinity, the beer you mean ? yeah :)
[16:23] <infinity> ogra_: I meant it shouldn't be a problem, but I'm happy to accept beer too.
[16:23] <ogra_> :)
[16:36] <skaet> Riddell,  cjwatson - during the A1 soft-freeze window,  please hold off on doing autosync's from Debian,  and discuss in this channel if an exception is required.
[16:37] <Riddell> skaet: that starts end of tuesday?
[16:37]  * ogra_ wonders if colin will acvtually read IRC before wed. given its a UK holiday
[16:37] <skaet> Riddell,  no today.
[16:38] <Riddell> gotcha
[16:38] <skaet> We've started spinning images now,  and have a lot of cruft to shake down.    So best not introduce any more.
[16:38] <skaet> Softfreeze starts at 2100 UTC.
[16:38] <skaet> but we're effectively in it now.
[16:44] <infinity> ogra_: Compiz happy on arm*, thanks!
[16:44] <ogra_> \o/
[16:44] <infinity> ogra_: I hope you and/or didrocks have taken an action to remember it's been kludged and fix it properly? :P
[16:45] <ogra_> infinity, it will all be different in the next upload anyway (GLES is being merged upstream right now)
[16:45] <ogra_> so the gles patch will be gone, nothing to revert :)
[16:45] <ogra_> (i did the hack inside the patch)
[16:46] <infinity> ogra_: Ahh, shiny.
[17:09] <stgraber> hmm, what happened to the alternates?
[17:09] <stgraber> AFAICS the cronjobs are turned off on nusakan and I already built these a while ago, so not quite sure what/who build them again
[17:23] <jibel> alternate and desktop automated tests passed. upgrades are running
[17:27] <stgraber> slangasek: why are you rebuilding the daily live images? (and was it you who rebuilt the alternates?)
[17:29] <slangasek> stgraber: whoops; failure on my part to coordinate, sorry
[17:29] <slangasek> stgraber: please dump the new builds in favor of the previous ones that were already being tested
[17:29] <stgraber> slangasek: ok
[17:32] <stgraber> slangasek: well, according to the tracker we didn't have any result for the previous alternates, so I guess we can keep the new ones then
[17:32] <slangasek> ok
[17:32] <stgraber> though we have results for the desktop ones, so if you can stop the build it'd be nice, otherwise I'll revert it when it lands on the tracker
[17:32] <slangasek> though, jibel said "alternate and desktop automated tests passed", which might have some bearing?
[17:33] <stgraber> jibel: what version of the desktop and alternate image where these automated tests run against? if that's on 20120604.2 (alternate), I'll revert the builds on the tracker
[17:40] <skaet> stgraber, as the images emerge off of the builds,  can you update http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release, so we can keep coordinated a bit better.  ;)
[17:41]  * skaet going in and doing som cleaning now.
[18:35] <skaet> stgraber, NCommander,   afk for a bit,  back on later.
[18:43] <stgraber> removing these from the tracker^
[18:50] <jibel> stgraber, it was 20120604.2
[18:50] <stgraber> jibel: ok, reverting the alternes too then
[18:50] <jibel> 20120604.3 passed too
[18:51] <stgraber> oh, ok, well, if 20120604.3 passed too, we can keep them then :)
[19:06] <stgraber> infinity, ogra_: started building arm desktop now, though I only noticed that mx5 and ac100 aren't candidate after I started the build, so they'll get built, I'll just remove them from the tracker afterwards
[19:37]  * infinity decides that http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html looks much better and rewards himself with a lunch break.
[19:38] <slangasek> infinity works for peanuts
[19:39] <infinity> This isn't the sort of thing one really wants confirmed by one's manager.
[19:39] <slangasek> infinity: we can throw in some jelly, then you can have a whole sandwich
[19:39] <infinity> Too kind.
[20:13] <NCommander> stgraber: I need to go AFK for a bit, I'll be about in ~45 minutes to an hour
[20:14] <stgraber> NCommander: k
[20:31]  * skaet back
[20:32] <stgraber> skaet: arm desktop is still building and so is wubi, everything else is built and posted on the tracker
[20:32] <skaet> stgraber,  coolio.  :)  thank you.
[20:36] <balloons> stgraber, skaet, slangasek what's up with wubi this cycle? I thought wubi was moving to an exe only, non-scheduled release cycle Forgive me if this is a silly question, it's been proven I'm scattered today.
[20:37] <skaet> balloons,  it wasn't clear to me either.  slangasek just confirmed its status quo to last release.
[20:40] <balloons> skaet, what does that mean? Are you trying to say we're going to continue pushing images of it out or ?
[20:40] <stgraber> balloons: don't know the exact plan but even without it being on the CD, the actual .img file used by wubi needs testing
[20:42] <skaet> balloons,  agree we need to get the plan clarified as to what we want tested for it.
[20:44] <slangasek> balloons: I don't know what "exe only" should mean here, but as stgraber says, there's a wubi image that must still be generated and tested
[20:45] <slangasek> balloons: is this question coming from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-wubi-publishing, or from somewhere else?
[20:45] <slangasek> (btw, it's already status quo that we don't offer a wubi-based install option on the CD in precise)
[20:48] <balloons> slangasek, yes from that blueprint.. I agree, clearly whatever/however we're doing it it needs tested..
[20:49] <balloons> I just want to make sure I understand what the plan is, and if testing needs have changed..
[20:52] <slangasek> balloons: testing should not be changing
[20:52] <balloons> slangasek, ok, that's good.. has the timing changed at all? I suppose for this alpha nothing has changed
[20:52] <slangasek> no... nor am I aware of any reason the timing /should/ change... but I wasn't in the session
[20:53] <slangasek> I'm only going by what was written up in the blueprint - if you think that doesn't reflect what was agreed in the session, please poke the drafter ;)
[20:53] <balloons> slangasek, lol
[20:53] <balloons> fair enough.. please excuse my insanity
[20:54] <balloons> thanks everyone
[21:22] <balloons> bah, my scatteredness.. back on the wubi thing.. there is no exe for quantal.. at least the link we provide is broken: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/quantal/
[21:25] <stgraber> sounds like someone needs to update it for quantal and upload it
[21:25] <stgraber> ev: ^
[21:25] <stgraber> I guess it's unlikely for ev to be around with the long UK weekend though
[21:25] <ev> hi
[21:25] <ev> ;)
[21:25] <stgraber> oh, or not :)
[21:26] <stgraber> ev: want to do some overtime? :)
[21:26] <balloons> stgraber, when you pushed the builds -- how/why did you do so if the link was broken?
[21:26] <ev> stgraber: on it now
[21:26]  * balloons trying to understand how is got kicked off
[21:26] <balloons> ev, awesome, thanks
[21:26] <ev> balloons: sure thing - it's largely a background task
[21:26] <stgraber> balloons: we're building a .img file that's used by wubi, when that file is built the entry is pushed to the tracker
[21:27] <stgraber> balloons: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/wubi/20120604.1/
[21:27] <balloons> stgraber, ahh.. so you have that end of it.. but you need to co-ord with ev to get the exe also.. right right, it's coming back now
[21:27] <stgraber> exactly
[21:28] <ev> yeah, I have a work item to push my side of this into the buildds
[21:30] <balloons> ev, yes we were discussing the blueprint above.. I got quite confused on the issue, but I think the lightbulb is on now
[21:32] <ev> balloons, stgraber: http://people.canonical.com/~ev/wubi/quantal/stable is in place
[21:32] <knome> balloons, hey!
[21:32] <knome> ev, hai!
[21:32] <ev> hi
[21:32] <knome> ev, have a moment?
[21:33]  * balloons in my best darth vader voice knome, so we meet again
[21:33] <stgraber> ev: thanks (s/ev/evand/g)
[21:33] <balloons> ev, thank you much for the quick turnaround
[21:33] <ev> knome: I'm actually on a public holiday. Just popped in to quickly help stgraber with a task that blocks on me
[21:33] <knome> balloons, yeah! so, i have a simple (i hope) question for you
[21:33] <knome> ev, ok, i'll send you email
[21:33] <ev> knome: cheers
[21:34] <knome> balloons, we want to add xubuntu-specific testcases to the testcase wiki. is there a structure you'd prefer?
[21:36] <slangasek> balloons: skaet was just asking we about wubi test cases from http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopWubi - case id wdi-001 is now obsolete, and wdi-002 now depends on wdi-004, so maybe these should be reordered?
[21:36] <slangasek> ev: the testcase tracker also has an entry for "CD boot helper", which uses umenu options Demo and Full installation -> CD-booter ... is this still available?
[21:37] <slangasek> (if not, we should ask balloons to drop test case wdi-003 as well)
[21:37] <balloons> knome, yes, we have a structure we'd prefer.. as you know however, we're migrating to using the isotracker to manage them
[21:37] <balloons> I believe stgraber will be able to import any xubuntu specific testcases into the tracker when we move, so I don't think it would be an issue or waiting however
[21:37] <balloons> so, format format.. let me find a link
[21:38] <balloons> slangasek, yes, we have pending work to dive deeper on these testcases this cycle
[21:38] <knome> balloons, i don't ...
[21:38] <balloons> but I am always tweaking them
[21:38] <balloons> since you and ev are the source for wubi, we can do it right now
[21:39] <balloons> knome, ohh.. well, one moment.. that's more to type then.. and some details and fun to share with you
[21:39] <slangasek> balloons: right, I think that's what skaet was looking for :)  wdi-001 is absolutely obsolete, since it refers to the option to run Wubi from CD that we took away last cycle - IMHO best to drop the test case to remove confusion
[21:39] <knome> balloons, PM is okay if you don't want to flood the channel :)
[21:40] <balloons> slangasek, yes.. I was looking at them a moment ago, but hadn't started down the editing train yet.. ok, so drop test 1 (no more cd)
[21:40] <ev> slangasek: that's the one piece we kept. lp:wubi/src/wubi/frontends/win32/cd_menu_page.py:55
[21:40] <slangasek> ok cool
[21:40] <ev> it uses the NT bootloader to get around having to hit F12 and select a boot device.
[21:41] <slangasek> balloons: sounds like that's the only one to be dropped, then... and do we want to renumber wdi-004 to wdi-001 (and move it up)?  otherwise wdi-002 makes no sense
[21:41] <ev> (by writing the contents of the CD to a file on disk and pointing grub at it)
[21:42] <balloons> slangasek, I'm looking at them now.. we need to re-write 3 as well (I think)
[21:42] <balloons> or does the cd still have that ability
[21:42] <balloons> ?
[21:43] <skaet> slangasek,  maybe better just reordering how they show up on the page - rather than change the numbering so, our past data still makes some sense?
[21:43] <balloons> skaet, yes, I'm re-ordering, not changing numbering..
[21:43] <skaet> :)
[21:43] <balloons> fortunately this will be fixed (kind of) by moving to isotracker to manager
[21:47] <knome> i hope the testcases are community-manageable in the isotracker too :)
[21:48] <stgraber> kind of
[21:48] <knome> :|
[21:48] <knome> that scares me.
[21:48] <knome> we wanted to do some moin-including
[21:49] <stgraber> product managers will be able to pick test suites and assign them to their product, the actual test cases will require extra rights that we'll grant on a case by case basis
[21:49] <knome> me me me me
[21:49] <balloons> knome, they will require a trust level (so you don't have people spamming your tests), but community will be able to edit
[21:49] <stgraber> the reason behind these restrictions is that testcases will be sharable between products, so we hopefully won't have any duplication of tests
[21:50] <stgraber> the downside being that we can't delegate rights on a per testcase basis as they affect more than one product
[21:50] <balloons> slangasek, I guess I will have some folks help re-do case #3; should be similar, but likely that menu has changed a bit
[21:51] <knome> stgraber, i agree that's a good thing. i hope that it's possible to combine testcases though... we want our tests to be similar to ubuntu, but in addition, we want our users to run a xubuntu-specific test
[21:51] <balloons> knome, yes you will be able to add in testcases from ubuntu along with your own to form a testsuite that needs run
[21:51] <knome> balloons, great!
[21:52] <balloons> I guess we're kind of talking about it.. I'll forget pm'ing you :-)
[21:52] <slangasek> balloons: 3 was the one ev just responded to above saying that the functionality is still there
[21:52] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'd approve piston-mini-client to precise-proposed
[21:52] <knome> balloons, would you mind if we added our xubuntu-specific tests to the testcase wiki *now*, or is the migration like *really close* ?
[21:52] <slangasek> bdmurray: accepted
[21:53] <stgraber> knome: the code exists and is running on iso.qa.dev.stgraber.org, we're expecting it to land before alpha-2
[21:53] <knome> stgraber, in that case, i'll hold
[21:54] <skaet> stgraber,  ogasawara uploaded the linux kernel they want used for A1 earlier today.   I've gone ahead and put that on the pad, so it gets included in next rebuild.
[21:56] <stgraber> skaet: ok, is it worth respinning for it as soon as it lands or should we wait till tomorrow to get some more fixes?
[21:58] <skaet> stgraber,  if there are not many test results (or ones marked in testing), probably best to get it respun before Europe comes online.     Since its getting late for you and NCommander's helping out on this one too,  may make sense for him to do the repins this evening.
[21:59]  * skaet went to go look...
[21:59] <skaet> hmm,  looks like lubuntu has some momentum as does ubuntu
[22:00] <stgraber> skaet: kernel is apparently stuck in New, we'll also need a d-i upload for it I believe (assuming ABI bump) and armel failed to build
[22:00] <stgraber> so doesn't look like we can easily respin at this point
[22:01] <slangasek> armel FTBFS is ignorable, there are no armel images to be released for a1
[22:01] <slangasek> NEW can be fixed
[22:01] <slangasek> do you want me to fix it?
[22:01] <stgraber> true, wondering if armhf will be affected too (still building)
[22:02] <skaet> slangasek,  yes, please go ahead and fix the d-i upload.
[22:03] <slangasek> well, I have to do the NEW processing first
[22:03] <slangasek> best if someone else can take care of d-i afterwards
[22:03] <skaet> infinity,  ^ you able to help out?
[22:04] <stgraber> we'll also need a new linux-meta I believe
[22:04] <bdmurray> slangasek: I approve of apport for precise-proposed
[22:05] <slangasek> stgraber: correct - though there's no harm in accepting linux now before we have the timeline on that
[22:05] <stgraber> sure
[22:06] <bdmurray> slangasek: I also approve libgrip for precise-proposed
[22:13] <dobey> there are ~24 hours until freeze, right?
[22:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: and quickly for precise-proposed
[22:18] <skaet> dobey,  no,  we're in soft freeze now.    Email went out to ubuntu-devel-announce just after 2100 UTC.
[22:19] <skaet> dobey,  you can upload to quantal-proposed,  see the email for details.
[22:21] <bdmurray> slangasek: and nautilus for precise-proposed
[22:26] <dobey> skaet: i thought the soft freezes happened on tuesday 2100 utc?
[22:26] <dobey> skaet: did that change?
[22:27] <bdmurray> slangasek: and I approve of euca2ools for precise-proposed
[22:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: apport libgrip quickly nautilus euca2ools accepted
[22:28] <bdmurray> slangasek: thanks
[22:29] <skaet> dobey,  it tended to float depending how much churn was going on,  to clear up the confusion, we've added  explicitly to the schedule http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/   However, uploads can still go to -proposed
[22:29] <bdmurray> slangasek: and you are running sru-accept.py too?
[22:30] <dobey> skaet: eep. :-/ it's not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[22:30] <skaet> dobey,  its a soft freeze,   the beta's are the hard ones.
[22:31] <dobey> skaet: i guess FTBFS fix should go to quantal instead of -proposed though, per your e-mail?
[22:33] <skaet> dobey,  what bug and package are we talking about specifically
[22:33] <skaet> ?
[22:35] <dobey> skaet: haven't seen a bug filed about it, but ubuntuone-client-gnome is currently FTBFS in quantal due to glib adding additional #error in some includes.
[22:35] <dobey> and i am about to upload a version with the fix
[22:37] <skaet> dobey,  fair enough,  go ahead and upload to quantal
[22:38] <dobey> skaet: if i upload other stuff to -proposed, i imagine i will have to do that from now on throughout the entire cycle as well, to keep it properly in sync?
[22:39] <skaet> dobey, nope.  just during the freeze window.   At the end all will be merged back into quantal.
[22:39] <dobey> skaet: and if i think the uploads i am making need to be in alpha 1?
[22:40] <skaet> yes,  we're in the prep for alpha 1 right now.
[22:40] <bdmurray> slangasek: I approve of me-tv for precise-proposed too
[22:41] <dobey> skaet: right. but if i upload to -proposed now, will they hang about until after a1, or do i have to poke people to sync them to quantal for a1?
[22:41] <bdmurray> why are there 2 banshees and 2 clutter-1.0s?
[22:43] <jbicha> because it's easier to add than to remove
[22:43] <jbicha> feel free to drop the older clutter-1.0
[22:45] <skaet> dobey,  hmm,  I said upload to quantal,  not quantal-proposed for that fix.    In general,  we're expecting to have tools to do this sort of post a1 move over so no poking,  but for now this is an experiment, so we will all need to keep an eye on the parts we care about.
[22:46] <dobey> skaet: for that yes, i did upload it to quantal
[22:46] <dobey> skaet: i mean for other things i am trying to upload, but aren't that fix, but which i think should be included in the a1 relase
[22:47] <skaet> dobey,  k,  get them uploaded to proposed, and then we can look at pocket copying them over.   Let us know in this channel when things are built, tested and ready.
[22:47] <dobey> ok
[22:48] <dobey> skaet: and what's the cut-off for being able to pocket-copy during the soft freezes?
[22:49] <skaet> dobey,  that depends on QA and community testers, and whether it makes sense to respin images.
[22:49] <skaet> Basically earlier the better, and based on severity.
[22:52] <dobey> ok. thanks
[22:52] <skaet> :)
[22:55] <skaet> infinity,  around?   can you help out on d-i for the new kernel,  ^  (see slangasek's comments in backscroll)
[23:01] <NCommander> infinity: I'll handle it in about 20 minutes if you aren't already on it
[23:02] <slangasek> bdmurray: haven't been running sru-accept.py, assumed you would :)
[23:02] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay, I'll do it
[23:02] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'd also approve mono for p-p
[23:03] <slangasek> bdmurray: me-tv, mono accepted
[23:11] <skaet> NCommander,  am heading out for dinner now,  back later.    Feel free to start the respins before I return if all the missing bits have landed.
[23:11] <NCommander> skaet: kernel seems to have cleared new, doing the d-i bits now
[23:15] <skaet> Thanks NCommander
[23:15]  * skaet --> dinner, biab
[23:23]  * infinity had an interwebs hiccup...
[23:24] <infinity> NCommander: If you haven't done d-i yet, I can do it right now.
[23:24] <NCommander> infinity: I did it, just doing test builds ATM
[23:25] <infinity> NCommander: Ahh, yeah, I see the commit.  Alrighty.
[23:26] <NCommander> infinity: when I upload, feel free to give it the shove into the archive
[23:30] <infinity> NCommander: Actually...
[23:31] <infinity> NCommander: You might want to hold off that upload.
[23:31] <NCommander> ?
[23:31] <infinity> Well, the kernel's still building on some arches. :P
[23:31]  * NCommander shakes a fist
[23:32] <infinity> Oh, based on the FTBFS on armel, I bet it's going to do the same on armhf anyway. :/
[23:32] <infinity> Meh.
[23:32] <infinity> Upload away.
[23:39] <jbicha> is seeded-in-ubuntu broken for anyone else? bug 1008783
[23:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1008783 in ubuntu-dev-tools "seeded-in-ubuntu crashed with IOError in _read_eof(): CRC check failed 0x282b98f1 != 0xdff779cL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008783
[23:46] <infinity> NCommander: Updated seeds to match your d-i upload (and added highbank as well)
[23:46] <NCommander> infinity: thanks.
[23:46] <NCommander> amd64 test build passed, doing i386 one now
[23:47] <infinity> That seems a bit overly paranoid.
[23:47] <infinity> If one passed, you're probably good.
[23:47]  * NCommander shrugs, and tags an upload
[23:57]  * infinity notes that's the first time in a long time he's seen the urgency field used on an Ubuntu upload...
[23:58] <infinity> Not sure the extra 200 or so that gets you in the buildd queue really matters. :P


[02:17] <linuxman410> having  problem with intel 845ge only has one resolution it says unknown monitor any help
[02:53] <Unit193> !x
[02:55] <Unit193> linuxman410: In short: CTRL+ALT+F1 > sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm stop > sudo X -configure > sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf > sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm start
[02:55] <Byan> so
[02:56] <Byan> is there a way to keep the lubuntu package.. but remove one of it's 'dependencies'
[02:56] <Byan> I want to roll my own pidgin..
[02:57] <Unit193> Byan: You don't really need to keep lubuntu-desktop installed
[02:57] <Unit193> Byan: What do you mean by "roll my own pidgin"?
[03:08] <Byan> Unit193: compile pidgin myself
[03:08] <Byan> carrier, rather
[03:09] <Byan> ie fun pidgin
[03:12] <Jim__> i have a question? does lubuntu going to release lubuntu 11.04 or something?
[03:12] <Unit193> Jim__: It's done! (If you read the topic, you get the link)
[03:12] <Jim__> Unit193: thanks
[03:14] <Unit193> Jim__: http://i.imgur.com/kJM8e.png
[08:30] <jozefk> 11.04 final is ready for download?
[08:30] <Unit193> Welcome to #lubuntu , jozefk
[08:30] <jozefk> :)
[08:31] <Unit193> Yeah, topic
[08:31] <jozefk> I see. thanks :)
[08:33] <Unit193> jozefk: http://i.imgur.com/EX4Nq.png
[08:33] <jozefk> is it the same network manager as in xubuntu?
[08:35] <Unit193> I do not think so, I'll check
[08:36] <Unit193> Eh, I don't remember what X uses
[08:36] <jozefk> do you have lubuntu installed?
[08:36] <Unit193> Yeah
[08:36] <Unit193> Lubuntu uses wicd
[08:37] <jozefk> then just right click on network manager from right size and maybe take a screenshot. or right click and choose Edit Connections if it is there
[08:37] <jozefk> wicd only?
[08:37] <Unit193> IIRC
[08:38] <jozefk> will download and see
[08:38] <jozefk> might be wicd will work too
[08:39] <jozefk> :)
[09:35] <head_victim> Why would a folder say 8.8gb file size but nearly 100 gb size on disk ?
[09:35] <bioterror> which? what?
[09:35] <head_victim> My /home
[09:36] <bioterror> hmmmm
[09:36] <head_victim> Everything I look at in there shows 1/10 the file size as to the size on disk
[09:36] <bioterror> you have separate partition and df -h gives different size than du -h?
[09:36] <head_victim> du - h lists a crapload of files
[09:37] <bioterror> sure it lists
[09:37] <head_victim> df -h lists 11gb
[09:38] <bioterror> 1,6T    sad157
[09:38] <bioterror> :DDDDDDDD
[09:38] <head_victim> du -h the last line is . 11G
[09:38] <head_victim> Hah I got a 2gb warning on my 2tb spare folder on the other PC last night :/
[09:38] <bioterror> I need MOAR SPACE!
[09:38] <bioterror> my pr0n collection is too huge
[09:38] <head_victim> I have nearly 10tb in hdds here
[09:39] <head_victim> A lot of it is in raid 10 so I loose most of it
[09:45] <bioterror> hoho
[09:45] <bioterror> raid5 ftw! ;)
[09:45] <head_victim> I prefer 10 :D
[09:48] <ncopa> hi
[09:48] <ncopa> lubuntu.net is down?
[09:48] <head_victim> Well I'm backing up my /home as we speak and then going to do my first ever Ubuntu upgrade, I usually fresh install
[09:48] <head_victim> ncopa: it is?
[09:49] <ncopa> seems so
[09:49] <ncopa> anybody have a torrent for lubuntu-11.04?
[09:49] <head_victim> ncopa: check the topic ;)
[09:50] <head_victim> I have 15 connected peers that I'm currently seeding to
[09:50] <head_victim> And so it's going up at a rate of knots
[09:51] <ncopa> thanks
[09:51] <head_victim> Well, it's not that quick tbh, my upload speed is only 1MB :/
[09:52] <head_victim> bioterror: if I backup /home is there anything else I should save?
[09:52] <bioterror> I take /etc/samba/smb.conf ;)
[09:52] <head_victim> Never doing an upgrade I haven't really researched it. I usually just keep my /home
[09:52] <head_victim> bioterror: ahh yeah, /etc is a nice backup
[09:53] <bioterror> are you going to do-release-upgrade? :D
[09:53] <head_victim> I'm going to look into what's the safer option
[09:53] <bioterror> it's okay
[09:53] <head_victim> I'm on 10.10 now
[09:53] <bioterror> I've never had problems with it :D
[09:54] <head_victim> So worst case I loose it all I'll keep home and etc and that should get me back if need be
[09:54] <bioterror> you wont loose anything :D
[09:54]  * head_victim plays guinea pig.
[09:55] <head_victim> Hah someone is trying to download 10.04 off me
[09:55] <head_victim> Must have an unsupported cpu :/
[09:55] <bioterror> or just thinks it's "LTS" ;)
[09:56] <bioterror> "mmm... I will use this forever!!"
[09:56] <head_victim> ncopa: thanks for letting us know about lubuntu.net though
[09:56] <head_victim> phillw: anyone we can ping to resolve the lubuntu.net being down?
[09:57] <ncopa> np
[09:59] <bioterror> owner of the domain is on the list
[09:59] <bioterror> lubuntu-desktop mailing list
[09:59] <head_victim> bioterror: just writing an email now actually will add it to that
[10:07] <head_victim> Question for all you torrenting people, are there more trackers I should add to the default transmission ones to reach a larger audience?
[10:19] <head_victim> Ah apparently the website isn't down it's just overloaded
[12:02] <tomasz_> hi
[12:02] <tomasz_> lubuntu.net works ?
[12:04] <head_victim> tomasz_: yes, it's busy at the moment so it might be a little slower than normal is all
[12:05] <tomasz_> becous dont load me
[12:10] <MrChrisDruif> Is lubuntu-desktop in the default repos of Ubuntu? Like if you want to install it on Ubuntu you just issue sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[12:11] <tomasz_> lxde-session
[12:11] <MrChrisDruif> lxde-session? Would that have the same effect as lubuntu install?
[12:12] <tomasz_> lubuntu use lxde
[12:22] <MrChrisDruif> ;topic
[13:01] <Neosano> hmmm, why lubuntu.net is not loading?
[13:35] <Kurdistan> hey dear lubuntu fans, how is lubuntu natty going?
[13:35] <bioterror> it's going into right direction!
[13:37] <Kurdistan> bioterror, I am really impressed with the reading
[13:37] <Kurdistan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/NattyNarwhal
[13:37] <Kurdistan> much more changes and to the better.
[13:39] <Kurdistan> I am really glad. I will try it out, couple a weeks from now.
[13:39] <Kurdistan> thx lubuntu dev
[13:41] <Kurdistan> for me edubuntu or lubuntu will be my main dist.
[13:47] <Kurdistan> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/671
[13:47] <Kurdistan> really glad to read this from mark
[13:47] <Kurdistan> about lubuntu
[13:47] <MrChrisDruif> The response from Mark, indeed :)
[13:49] <Kurdistan> viva lubuntu
[13:53] <Kurdistan> I will log-out. Keep up the good work.
[15:23] <tdn> After installing Ubuntu 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[16:20] <NRWlion> hi guys, is it normal that live cds do show several errors while checking for them?
[16:48] <bioterror> oh my
[16:48] <bioterror> this is what I feared
[16:48] <bioterror> inlaws had upgraded yesterday and now this complains about unity every logon
[16:48] <bioterror> and so on
[16:48] <bioterror> psychocat's pure lxde doesnt work...
[16:49] <bioterror> so, sudo apt-get purge gnome\* kde\*
[16:49] <bioterror> :----------------)
[16:49] <bioterror> NRWlion, it's not normal :-)
[17:00] <bioterror> hmmm, alt+f2 doesnt work
[17:00] <bioterror> I dont get "launcher" pop-up
[17:01] <NRWlion> bioterror : my whole system doesnt work after trying to upgrade all night :(
[17:01] <NRWlion> i only do have my laptop now
[17:01] <NRWlion> :(
[17:01] <NRWlion> :D
[17:07] <leszek> hi
[17:08] <NRWlion> hi leszek
[17:09] <leszek> :)
[17:09] <leszek> its like magic, lubuntu release on the same day as zevenos-neptune released xD
[17:10] <bioterror> hmmmm
[17:10] <NRWlion> yeah and i was so excited that i crashed my system :D
[17:10] <bioterror> I have wlan icon for lan network :D
[17:10] <bioterror> did I install 11.04 final or alpha? :D
[17:11] <leszek> bioterror: haha xD really ?
[17:11] <leszek> maybe someone linked the icon the wrong way. As ubuntu switched to indicators, perhaps no one noticed it that the tray icon is linked wrongly
[17:11] <bioterror> :D
[17:12] <leszek> so I am idle again xD, rain stopped again, so back to work in the garden
[17:13] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.04.png
[17:14] <bioterror> gilir, Fri19:13 <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.04.png
[17:14] <NRWlion> hey gilir!
[17:14] <bioterror> any ideas what's that empty box between broken nm-applet and digital clock
[17:14] <bioterror> as I am using desktop computer and eth0 ;)
[17:15] <gilir> bioterror, no idea :/ Do you try to enable indicators applet ?
[17:15] <gilir> hi NRWlion
[17:15] <bioterror> no, I just removed gnome and installed lubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <NRWlion> gilir: the iso from your link is been buggy searching for errors gave me more than 10 warnings
[17:16] <gilir> NRWlion, do you check md5sum ?
[17:16] <NRWlion> system showed no irregularitys
[17:18] <gilir> bioterror, do you try to change the icon theme ? your terminal icons seem also strange
[17:18] <bioterror> gilir, terminal is urxvt and I'm using font fixed ;)
[17:18] <gilir> ah ok :) But still, try to swicth the icon theme :)
[17:19] <bioterror> hmmmm
[17:20] <bioterror> I recall that elementary was dumped and you guys had a new icon set
[17:21] <gilir> it's the case, must 99,99% of the icons are inherited from elementary
[17:22] <bioterror> what was that new icon
[17:22] <gilir> 2 in fact, 1 for the shutdown icon (on the right of the panel), 1 for the lubuntu icon in the installer
[17:25] <bioterror> and translation is now set to iso-8859-15
[17:25] <bioterror> fffffffffffff
[17:29] <bioterror> this didnt go as I expected
[17:29] <bioterror> damn you unity!!
[17:29] <gilir> I have also weird behavior when installing lubuntu after a classic ubuntu
[17:30] <bioterror> not good, as I even used --purge
[17:30] <bioterror> and then I fetched it
[17:30] <bioterror> maybe I should roll to xfce :G
[17:30]  * NRWlion is going back to kde 07.10
[17:30] <bioterror> yeah
[17:31] <bioterror> back to console and do some maaagick!
[17:32] <gilir> oh : http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/671
[17:32] <gilir> search for Lubuntu ;)
[17:33] <NRWlion> gilir : even if i find it i am not able to burn it in iso as my laptop has no cd/dvd
[17:33] <gilir> NRWlion, you can use usbcreator and put in on a USB pen drive ?
[17:34] <NRWlion> that would be an option?
[17:47] <Unit193> NRWlion: I may have a disk of that
[17:47] <NRWlion> i am installing KDE 7.10 now
[17:47] <NRWlion> this is the only version i can run now
[17:47] <NRWlion> :(
[17:48] <Unit193> Ah, I was thinking Kubuntu 7.10
[17:48] <bioterror> I've never been this lost
[17:48] <bioterror> even Xubuntu fails at me
[17:49] <NRWlion> welcome to the club bioterror
[17:49] <bioterror> sad to say, but I'm first time dissapointed
[17:56] <NRWlion> bioterror : so am i
[17:57] <tdn> After installing 11.04 and enabling the restricted Broadcom STA wifi driver, the wifi network stops working after a while. How do I fix this?
[17:58] <bioterror> I have to say that lubuntu worked even better than this crappy xubuntu
[17:58] <bioterror> :G
[18:09] <Unit193> I take it this wouldn't be a good time to update?
[18:10] <bioterror> I would consider twice :D
[18:15] <Unit193> I would then also have to reboot :/
[18:41] <warpi> hello, is there a 64-bit version of lubuntu 11.04?
[18:55] <leszek> warpi: not that I know. But  I think there are 64 Bit packages in the repo. So you might install a 64bit base (minimal) system and then you can apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[18:56] <warpi> leszek, you mean, install ubuntu 64-bit and choose "base minimal system installation" and then replace desktop?
[18:56] <leszek> exactly
[18:56] <warpi> okay, great!
[18:56] <warpi> wont i loose any performance on this?
[18:57] <leszek> I don't think so
[18:57] <warpi> compared to lubuntu ordinary iso?
[18:57] <warpi> ok
[18:57] <Unit193> !mini | warpi
[18:57] <Unit193> Then add lubuntu-desktop
[18:57] <warpi> great!
[18:58] <warpi> that was a damn small cd :)
[18:58] <warpi> so this is the perfered way to install lubuntu on 64-bit computer?
[18:59] <Unit193> warpi: That's what I've seen
[18:59] <warpi> oki
[18:59] <warpi> i will try this
[18:59] <warpi> thanks for the help
[19:05] <jozefk> what is mini.iso?
[19:05] <Unit193> !mini
[19:06] <Unit193> (At least you don't have to rexplain everything)
[19:06] <Unit193> Then you can add lubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <jozefk> that would be how many MB to download during installation/
[19:10] <jozefk> ?
[19:10] <Unit193> That would take some downloading
[19:11] <jozefk> it's much faster to download the iso then package by package
[19:11] <Unit193> It downloads everything for you
[19:12] <jozefk> do you know any light distro with pulseaudio giving sound on all 5+1 speakers ?
[19:13] <leszek> jozefk: zevenos 3.0
[19:15] <jozefk> that's xfce
[19:15] <jozefk> xubuntu is working also :)
[19:15] <Unit193> It works now?
[19:16] <jozefk> but xfce is freezing. i need lxde or fluxbox or openbox or e17 or something like that
[19:16] <jozefk> it's working but freezing
[19:16] <bioterror> e17 is crap
[19:16] <bioterror> it looks nice, but that's all
[19:16] <bioterror> crashes and just doesnt feel right
[19:17] <bioterror> all the menus and stuff
[19:17] <jozefk> ok will not even think about it then
[19:17] <Unit193> bioterror: Take a look at Bodhi
[19:17] <jozefk> bodhi yeah maybe i should boot that live CD and see
[19:18] <bioterror> I'm still shocked what I encountered today at in-laws
[19:18] <leszek> jozefk: if its freezing I guess your hardware maybe broken
[19:19] <jozefk> yes but lxde works fine
[19:19] <leszek> I don't think that it has something to do with the window manager or desktop environment
[19:19] <bioterror> lxdm is not two language friendly
[19:19] <bioterror> father in law is a turkish and mother in law is finnish
[19:20] <bioterror> I cant make "default" settings for each of them
[19:20] <leszek> lxdm never intended to be friendly to multiple languages I guess
[19:21] <jozefk> 2 language? I need only english
[19:21] <bioterror> yeah, I have to think something else instead of lxdm, maybe that stinky GDM :D
[19:22] <leszek> does gdm has this support build in ?
[19:22] <bioterror> yes
[19:22] <leszek> ah interesting to know ;)
[19:22] <jozefk> and why the live lubuntu doesn't want to start for me?
[19:23] <leszek> jozefk: error message ?
[19:23] <bioterror> http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#userconfig
[19:23] <jozefk> I don't have it now. I can reboot and try. actually I overwrite the CD already. I could burn it again
[19:33] <jozefk> does pulseaudio works at all on lubuntu? with 5.1 sound?
[19:42] <LAcan> alsa only i believe, pulse is pastware
[20:29] <jozefk> pastware?
[20:30] <leszek> pastware xD
[20:30] <leszek> whats that ?
[20:30] <jozefk> I have no idea
[20:30] <leszek> jozefk: pulseaudio should work at least if you install it on lubuntu and switch gnome-mplayer and audacious to use the pulse plugin
[22:20] <jozefk> in xubuntu I got pulse working. and 5.1 speakers. no problem
[22:21] <jozefk> I believe I can get the same with lubuntu also
[22:21] <jozefk> I just don't know how to get the CD working :)
[22:22] <jozefk> I can't find the link for mini.iso
[22:23] <Unit193> !mini
[22:23] <Unit193> There it is :)
[22:23] <Unit193> alsamixer is your audio volume levels
[22:24] <jozefk> I can get pavucontrols installed also right?
[22:24] <jozefk> this CD is 19MB :)))
[22:24] <leszek> yes but you need pulseaudio aswell
[22:25] <Unit193> You download stuff later
[22:25] <leszek> jozefk: thats why its called mini
[22:25] <jozefk> how long it will take to install full lubuntu from that mini CD?
[22:26] <leszek> depends on your bandwith
[22:26] <jozefk> I have 8mbps. but when I'm downloading something it's never more than 1mbps
[22:28] <jozefk> how can I setup the wifi from that mini cd?
[22:28] <jozefk> it's all cli
[22:28] <leszek> just use a cable xD
[22:28] <leszek> otherwise you need to learn ifconfig , iwconfig and so on
[22:28] <jozefk> no cable here
[22:29] <jozefk> I don't like to learn anything now :)
[22:29] <jozefk> ok I'll just go for xfce and install lxde over it :)
[22:56] <Neosano> Argh! Lubuntu is so nice, but there's no progress in lxde :|
[22:56] <Neosano> annoying bugs are not getting fixed..
[22:57] <Neosano> dynamic panel size didn't work for ages
[22:57] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: We're not stopping you from helping upstream fixing bugs :)
[22:58] <Neosano> I know.. I know..
[22:59] <Neosano> still maybe lubuntu team should spend some time helping with lxde?
[22:59] <Neosano> not much.. but just to fix main problems
[23:30] <phillw> Neosano: with the departure of a couple of lxde people, the lubuntu devs ARE helping!
[23:30] <Neosano> oh :o
[23:35] <leccy> hi - I'm running lubuntu 10.04 - is it possible to upgrade to 11.04 using apt-get or do I have to re-install from an ISO?
[23:35] <Neosano> well, first of all you have to upgrade to 10.10
[23:36] <Neosano> then to 11.04
[23:36] <Neosano> Still I would highly recommend to reinstall it
[23:36] <leccy> okay. See... I tried following the instructions on the 'how to install lubuntu from ubuntu' wiki, but it didn't do much
[23:36] <Neosano> in my life I've tried to upgrade 3 times
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> I was just discussing this in -offtopic that a sudo do-release-upgrade -d in terminal would do the trick
[23:36] <Neosano> every time it fucks something up
[23:36] <leccy> yeah, I was thinking a reinstall might be cleaner
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> That is true :)
[23:37] <MrChrisDruif> Upgrades have always borked up my systems as well
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...I've just been told that jumping one release IS NOT RECOMMENDED!
[23:38] <Neosano> huh?
[23:38] <leccy> I just issued that do-release-upgrade command... so if I suddenly disconnect, it means I'm borked
[23:38] <Neosano> leccy, nah, you'll get borked after reboot
[23:38] <leccy> lol - probably
[23:39] <Neosano> definitely
[23:39] <leccy> still, I like to try these things out to see what happens
[23:39] <leccy> it'll take me, what, 10 minutes to reinstall from an ISO
[23:40] <leccy> or... I could just never reboot this netbook again.... ;-)
[23:40] <Neosano> then what's the point of upgrading
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed :P
[23:40] <leccy> 5 packages are going to be removed. 92 new packages are going to be installed. 656 packages are going to be upgraded.
[23:41] <leccy> hmmm....
[23:41] <Neosano> cuz it'll require rebooting your netbook
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> :D
[23:42] <leccy> actually, I always do this to myself. I've been happy with lubuntu 10.04 for a year now... I see a better looking taskbar, and I want to upgrade.... tut
[23:42] <bioterror> servers gets upgraded from LTS to LTS
[23:42] <Neosano> the artwork in 11.04 is perfect :O
[23:42] <leccy> what's the next LTS version?
[23:42] <bioterror> 12.04 if I remember right
[23:43] <leccy> yeah, 2 yrs, that sounds right
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[23:43] <Neosano> 1 year?
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: 2
[23:43] <Neosano> why O_o
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> 10.04 is the previous LTS
[23:43] <leccy> tell you what - I'm gonna enter 'no' to the upgrade, and I'll see you all next April
[23:43] <bioterror> I was just referring to "jump" from 10.04 to 11.04
[23:43] <Neosano> oh, I mean 1 year from now
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: LTS is supported for 3 years
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, in one year :)
[23:44] <Neosano> leccy :D
[23:44] <Neosano> do not leave us
[23:44] <leccy> lol
[23:44] <MrChrisDruif> Neosano: Server edition is even supported for 5 years
[23:44] <Neosano> MrChrisDruif, whoa!
[23:44] <leccy> tell you what, you're gonna get a bunch of Unity refugees now that you've released 11.04
[23:45] <bioterror> that's for sure
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Might be so
[23:45] <bioterror> but I failed with 11.04 vanilla buntu to 11.04 lubuntu
[23:45] <bioterror> some problems with icon theme
[23:45] <leccy> it's always nice to see the number of spin-off announcements on distrowatch every time ubuntu upgrade
[23:46] <bioterror> and xubuntu didnt even get themes and settings correct
[23:46] <Neosano> I haven't tried ubuntu for 3 years now :|
[23:46] <Neosano> I was using fat kubuntu at first
[23:46] <Neosano> now lubuntu
[23:46] <Unit193> bioterror: How so?
[23:47] <bioterror> I dunno
[23:47] <bioterror> I'm still like "o_O"
[23:47] <leccy> ahhh... I'm gonna be in heaven in a week's time... back onto Goobuntu for 12 months in my new work project...
[23:48] <leccy> 10.04 LTS, thankfully
[23:48] <bioterror> leccy, you will be in heaven when you install GoboLinux :D
[23:48] <Neosano> what's the point of using xubuntu?
[23:49] <bioterror> Neosano, liking the XFCE
[23:49] <Neosano> o_O
[23:49] <Unit193> Xubuntu looks sweet (And it's more like how Ubuntu used to be)
[23:49] <Neosano> fetish thing, eh?
[23:49] <bioterror> Unit193, yep
[23:49] <bioterror> something like that
[23:49] <bioterror> for the purists :D
[23:49] <leccy> old-school ubuntu... before they went all unity on us
[23:50] <bioterror> I dont like the term "Linux Distribution" nowdays
[23:50] <Neosano> why?
[23:50] <Unit193> I use Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[23:51] <bioterror> I'm checking distrowatch.com and, all I can see is lots of stuff that's based on Debian or RedHat/Fedora and they have stupid names and few apps added
[23:51] <bioterror> and a different theme set
[23:51] <bioterror> and they call it distribution
[23:51] <leccy> Linux Combo would be a better term. It's what WM, DE, and package manager it uses.... the combination of these three
[23:52] <Unit193> flavor?
[23:52] <Neosano> and what is unity?...
[23:52] <leccy> WM
[23:52] <bioterror> back in the 90's distributions ment that they have different kind of features. another one uses rpm as a package manager, others are straight build from sources and so on
[23:52] <Neosano> oh
[23:52] <bioterror> unity is candy on metacity/gnome
[23:52] <leccy> unity can sit on top of any distro
[23:52] <leccy> if you were really determined to run it
[23:53] <leccy> poor metacity... it was dumped :(
[23:53] <bioterror> for me Unity looks like ugly OS X Dock
[23:54] <leccy> for me, it looks like ugly OSX dock that doesn't work properly
[23:54] <bioterror> :D
[23:54] <bioterror> vanilla 'buntu is mostly becoming OS X with darker default theme
[23:55] <leccy> Gnome Shell is closer to OSX
[23:55] <Neosano> uhh, global menu in the panel??
[23:56] <Neosano> isn't it the dumbest idea to implement?
[23:56] <bioterror> :D
[23:56] <Neosano> I understand it in OSX, they are just trying to be different
[23:56] <Neosano> but ununtu :<
[23:57] <bioterror> we can always install fvwm2 ;K)
[23:57] <leccy> unity is halfway to being a good tablet interface, but not quite there, and far enough away from being a decent desktop interface to fall firmly between two stools. It's in limbo
[23:58] <Neosano> and this thing on the left.. it's simply eating space, right?
[23:58] <leccy> Android is a good tablet interface, or even iOS... if you want to see your app icons and make them easy to select, just use up the whole screen
[23:58] <Neosano> or does it pop out when needed?
[23:58] <bioterror> seems like they have "systray" in FVMW2 nowdays
[23:59] <leccy> and when you click an icon, make it go full-screen, like iOS
[23:59] <leccy> yeah, sometimes the unity bar hides itself. it seems pretty random to me
[23:59] <Neosano> O_o
[23:59] <Neosano> I have one panel on the bottom with task bar and clock only
[23:59] <Neosano> that's all I need really


[00:00] <FFEMTcJ> doctormo: ya... there were supposed to be 6 of us, but only 3 showed.. but we had a good time getting to know each other..
[00:00] <doctormo> nigel_nb: These communities are made, it takes a lot of energy to make them too.
[00:00] <FFEMTcJ> my wife was there, so we tried to limit the geek speak
[00:01] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I'm almost done on the course, a review would be helpful
[00:02] <nigel_nb> making some last minute changes before committing
[00:02] <doctormo> ok
[00:07]  * FFEMTcJ is makin some changes to his wiki page
[00:13] <nigel_nb> doctormo: updated
[00:47] <nigel_nb> doctormo: checked out the new branch?
[00:47] <doctormo> ok
[00:54] <doctormo> nigel_nb: what does "Ideally, this course should take (to be filled up)" mean?
[00:55] <nigel_nb> doctormo: correcting that
[00:55] <nigel_nb> I didn't know how many sections were there
[00:55] <nigel_nb> so it would be 3 to 4 hours there
[00:56] <nigel_nb> corrected in local branch
[01:02] <doctormo> pleia2, nigel_nb and anyone else interested, please join #ubuntu-learning-review where we'll go through each chapter of the new bzr/lp/asciidoc course
[01:10] <pleia2> nigel_nb: a friend of mine interested in diversity wrote this the other day http://www.asheesh.org/note/debian/indians.html
[02:48] <nigel_nb> pleia2: that article has inspired me to write a post on it :)
[02:48] <pleia2> nigel_nb: great :)
[02:48] <nigel_nb> the entire BT has only 2 people from this side of the earth
[02:48] <nigel_nb> even though we're technically the largest population
[02:48] <nigel_nb> besides china
[02:48] <pleia2> make sure you send me the link after you've written it, I'd like to read it
[02:49] <pleia2> :)
[02:50] <nigel_nb> pleia2: but I'm not sure if I have the same perspective as everyone else
[02:51] <nigel_nb> I didn't go the traditional way of college after school
[02:51] <nigel_nb> as usual in india
[02:51]  * pleia2 nods
[02:51] <pleia2> that's usual here too, and I didn't
[02:52] <nigel_nb> pleia2: ah, :)
[02:52] <nigel_nb> but I think I can put it forward in such a way to hide that fact
[03:20] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: why hide it? I would say what you do is far more important than what formal training you have
[03:21] <Pendulum> and I'd say that I've encountered the same attitude more in OSS than anywhere else (about formal training not necessarily mattering)
[03:21] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: true there
[03:21] <nigel_nb> but I know my crowd
[03:21] <Pendulum> fair enough
[03:21] <nigel_nb> I'm not talking about this in a logged channel
[03:21] <nigel_nb> will pm you
[13:31] <FFEMTcJ> mornin
[13:31] <nigel_nb> mornin FFEMTcJ
[13:31] <FFEMTcJ> mornin nigel_nb
[13:32] <doctormo> morning
[13:36] <nigel_nb> afternoon doctormo :)
[13:36] <Pendulum> hi FFEMTcJ
[13:36] <nigel_nb> ohai Pendulum :)
[13:37] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Namaste
[13:38] <nigel_nb> :)
[13:42] <FFEMTcJ> hey Pendulum
[13:47] <Pendulum> hi nigel_nb
[13:48] <nigel_nb> morning :)
[21:40] <Saj0577> hey ppl can someone help me get the blueprint later as I always struggle with Lp and bzzr stuff


[07:16] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[07:16] <n8k99> monring!
[07:16] <n8k99> i'm heading to the sack
[07:17] <Hobbsee> heya n8k99
[07:17] <n8k99> hey Hobbsee
[07:17] <n8k99> good ta see ya
[07:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:18] <n8k99> damn- and i waas gonna call you up too!
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:21] <Hobbsee> apparently Riddell did last night
[07:23] <n8k99> ah
[07:24] <n8k99> oh- you are at UDS?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> yep :D
[07:26] <Hobbsee> it's fun, it really is :)
[07:27] <n8k99> i'll go nexttime, maybe
[07:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:56] <nixternal> hola Hobbsee
[08:12] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[08:15] <crimsun> those fools at UDS are eating better than I've eaten all year  ;-)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> haha, yep
[08:15] <Hobbsee> it's pretty amazing
[08:15] <Hobbsee> right - time for breakfast
[08:21] <Tm_T> =)
[08:26] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/splitkuake.png
[08:26] <nixternal> yummmmmmy
[08:27] <Tm_T> yuk
[08:27] <nixternal> nevah!
[08:28] <nixternal> and Yakuake isn't dead, Sho_ just released a new beta
[08:30] <sebas> morning
[08:31] <nixternal> mornin' sebas
[08:32] <sebas> Graaaaarrrrrrrrrrrr.
[08:32] <nixternal> haha
[08:32] <sebas> fscking timezones, could've slept an hour longer.
[08:33] <nixternal> so what are todays UDS plans?
[08:33] <sebas> Breakfast, a loooooooooooooooong one.
[08:34] <nixternal> looks like they aren't doing them like they did for Edgy UDS where everyone can use SIP
[08:34] <crimsun> nixternal: from http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/ ?
[08:36] <nixternal> crimsun: nah, like how they had the conference lines setup so people could connect remotely and listen in as well as participate
[08:36] <crimsun> they just don't want our input  ;-)
[08:37] <sebas> And then we'll see.
[08:37] <sebas> Talking with the meduxa people is probably interesting
[08:37] <sebas> Listening to others mainly, and getting to know a couple of people.
[08:39] <sebas> Hm, turns out I didn't change timezone.
[08:39] <crimsun> on phone or pc?
[10:04] <Riddell> nixternal: I havn't, if you want to make packages of it for feisty that would be cool
[10:04] <Riddell> nixternal: starting with strigi
[12:51] <Hobbsee> kompose is cool...
[12:59] <\sh> what is kompose?
[01:00] <manchicken> It shows all virtual desktops on a single screen
[01:00] <manchicken> Lets you move windows about and such.
[01:01] <\sh> yeah, just installed it ;)
[01:01] <manchicken> I like it.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:06] <manchicken> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-adept-version-locking <-- w00t!  My first spec
[01:29] <\sh> Riddell or others at UDS...is it better to VoIP or to join a gobby session and ircing?
[01:30] <sorsis> where should i contact if i would like to participate in ubuntu development?
[01:30] <sorsis> is there any project openings or something?
[01:33] <sorsis> ah. found something to do
[01:37] <Arby> sorsis: it depends on what you are interested in doing.
[01:37] <Arby> do you want to write code, fix bugs, write docs?
[01:37] <Arby> there's plenty of ways to help
[01:38] <sorsis> Arby: participating in software development sounds good
[01:38] <sorsis> or anything. where do you need help most?
[01:39] <Arby> if you want to develop software that's cool
[01:39] <Arby> try here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment for a start
[01:40] <Arby> if there are particular apps that interest you then contact the people who maintain those
[01:40] <Arby> and ask how you can help
[01:41] <Arby> any help is good help, I don't think I'm qualified to say where it's needed most.
[01:42] <Arby> sorsis: lots of people are in Spain for the developer summit this week
[01:43] <Arby> you might get more response in a week or so
[01:47] <sorsis> Arby: ok. thank you
[01:59] <sorsis> could one more experienced contributor spare some time for me? I need some one to comment few of my ideas
[02:04] <Riddell> sorsis: we're  mostly at the conference this week
[02:10] <Riddell> \sh: depends on the sessions, if the voip is set up
[02:10] <Riddell> or if we have power/internet
[02:11] <\sh> Riddell, gobby server for 14:00 pm kubuntu session? I would like to participate from here
[02:11] <_StefanS_> \sh: is that possible ?
[02:12] <_StefanS_> \sh: please enlighten me :D
[02:12] <\sh> _StefanS_, it should be like last time
[02:12] <_StefanS_> \sh: I wasn't participating last time either
[02:12] <_StefanS_> \sh: is it possible just to do listen in on the discussions?
[02:12] <_StefanS_> -do
[02:13] <\sh> _StefanS_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate
[02:13] <_StefanS_> sweet
[02:13] <\sh> _StefanS_, everything is on this page...even VoIP
[02:14] <_StefanS_> nice, what is the local time in spain now?
[02:14] <_StefanS_> 13.00 ?
[02:14] <\sh> more interessting is the times on the schedule, is it localtime, or UTC ;)
[02:14] <_StefanS_> hehe
[02:14] <_StefanS_> is kphone any good, or should I go with twinkle?
[02:16] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee
[02:16] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: whats the times on the UDS-Sevilla schedule?
[02:16] <_StefanS_> local or utc ? :)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: local
[02:18] <Hobbsee> kubuntu schedule is on now - but i'm not there
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hi allee - could you possibly keep me posted about kubuntu-based stuff?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> seeing as i'm stuck in the irc ops thing?
[02:19] <_StefanS_> sweet thats my timezone
[02:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: where are you then?  come!  :P
[02:20] <_StefanS_> I'm on my way :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_, manchicken
[02:21] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> we miss you here :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> if you could add what you're talking about, what you're deciding, that'd be grat
[02:21] <Hobbsee> *great
[02:22] <Hobbsee> i miss you guys too - i'd love to be there, but i do need to be in this
[02:22] <Tonio_> currently talking about import of kde3 settings in kde4
[02:22] <Hobbsee> right
[02:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you've decided who your real friends are
[02:22] <Hobbsee> i believe that'd be a case of "twitch"
[02:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we all are fine with this :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no - but i am essential for this :'(
[02:22] <Hobbsee> being one of the proposed people
[02:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't mind we have a full week, everyone will miss some of the meetings
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true
[02:23] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:24] <manchicken> Tonio_: Howdy.
[02:25] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ :D
[02:25] <_StefanS_> show me the money !!
[02:25] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Are you here?
[02:25] <_StefanS_> yessir
[02:25] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_ ;)
[02:27] <allee> Hobbsee: we still discuss who to do the furture KDE4 switch (gutsy+1)
[02:28] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You've been assigned to make it all work.  Best of luck.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> manchicken: HAH!!!!!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> allee: i'm certainly interested in helping - i'd love to make kubuntu a lot more open about that
[02:29] <Hobbsee> currently riddell does all the work, and the rest of us (i at least) dont actually know how to do it to help out
[02:29] <Hobbsee> sorry if i'm not coherant - i'm listening here as well
[02:30] <manchicken> Where is "here?"
[02:31] <manchicken> That forums thingy?
[02:31] <Tonio_> manchicken: I guess on the channel
[02:31] <Tonio_> manchicken: _StefanS_ isn't supposed to be in Seville afaik
[02:31] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sorry, irc
[02:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncilSpec
[02:31] <_StefanS_> I'm not in spain heeh
[02:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I think the "here" question was for _StefanS_....
[02:31] <_StefanS_> I just have the same timezone in denmark
[02:31] <Tonio_> manchicken: am I wrong ?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh, sorry
[02:32] <manchicken> Yeah, 'twas
[02:35] <_StefanS_> uhm I kinda confused... what port is the kubuntu meeting at?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> uh...F, i think.  or B
[02:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: port of what ?
[02:38] <_StefanS_> Well I dialed into 5000, but thats just a testing channel (?)
[02:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I just didn't new there was a channel for this :)
[02:39] <_StefanS_> ah ok..
[02:39] <_StefanS_> well it seems that 5001 is the actual conf. phone
[02:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I was talking about the meeting here in the eville office
[02:39] <Hobbsee> urgh...this stuff makes my eyeballs bleed...
[02:39] <Tonio_> s/eville/Seville/
[02:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got it ;)'
[02:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: from right now, is the kubuntu meeting in 20 mins or so ?
[02:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is no kubuntu meeting in the way :)
[02:40] <_StefanS_> ??
[02:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what "meeting" are you talking about ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> I"m a bit confused sorry
[02:41] <Tonio_> talk bout the meeting in seville ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> it started 35 minutes ago
[02:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well according to the schedule there should be a meeting in Seville at 14.00 local time
[02:41] <_StefanS_> alright
[02:41] <_StefanS_> is it interesting btw?
[02:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: localtime here is 14:41
[02:41] <Tonio_> very interesting yes :)
[02:41] <_StefanS_> same here
[02:41] <_StefanS_> so what is the port number for listening in on the call?
[02:42] <Tonio_> don't know
[02:42] <Tonio_> manchicken: do you have that information ?
[02:42] <manchicken> Nope.
[02:42] <_StefanS_> ah nevermind, you're almost done anyways.
[02:43] <manchicken> No we're not.
[02:43] <manchicken> There's another hour after this.
[02:43] <_StefanS_> oh..
[02:43] <_StefanS_> yes I didn't see that
[02:44] <_StefanS_> Well if you can find the port number, I would be glad to just listen in on the meeting
[02:44] <manchicken> w00t, stefan
[02:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the port is 5003
[02:44] <_StefanS_> ah finally something :)
[02:45] <\sh> Riddell, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-06/ on top are the room numbers :)
[02:45] <_StefanS_> I don't know about my mic, as its an internal in my lappie
[02:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just try to connect, we'll see
[02:46] <_StefanS_> yep
[02:46] <_StefanS_> i'm there in a moment
[02:46] <Tonio_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-06/
[02:46] <_StefanS_> ah nice
[02:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is the info, \sh already pushed the url
[02:46] <_StefanS_> I'm there
[02:47] <_StefanS_> uhm alot of echo, but I'm used to teleconference hehe
[02:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you talk ?
[02:47] <_StefanS_> not quite sure
[02:47] <_StefanS_> my mic is weird
[02:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well the echo is in the room in fact, that' the problem :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> th rooms are too big and empty
[02:48] <\sh> _StefanS_, you tried it with someone from canonical..spads or elmo or znarl
[02:48] <_StefanS_> yes
[02:48] <_StefanS_> \sh: nope, I thought I was running out of time on the meeting
[02:48] <_StefanS_> :)
[02:48] <\sh> _StefanS_, just say something...say hello :)
[02:49] <_StefanS_> well if I could, the mic is muted
[02:49] <_StefanS_> hmm
[02:49] <\sh> please check on gobby.ubuntu.com for kubuntu-gutsy-plans for writing your spec
[02:50] <\sh> _StefanS_, unmute ;)
[02:50] <\sh> and done use a stun server
[02:50] <_StefanS_> \sh: I know ;) - but I have a problem with the mixer
[02:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't there a stupid hidden channel to unmute in alsamixer ? That happened to me sometimes
[02:53] <_StefanS_> ah hell I dont know..
[02:53] <_StefanS_> please fix that in gutsy
[02:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ask the kernel team :) we can't do much more on the kubutu side :)
[02:55] <_StefanS_> hehe
[02:56] <_StefanS_> well doesn't matter really, I dont have anything to add I think... I will just listen in
[03:19] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder | manchicken
[03:19] <ubotu> manchicken: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:58] <Riddell> //////////0
[04:18] <toma_> NULL terminated strings rulez.
[04:30] <manchicken> Totally
[04:39] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[04:52] <nixternal> toma_: isn't null terminated '\0' and not ///////////////0 :)
[04:52] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[04:52] <toma_> nixternal: dont be so smart dude
[04:52] <nixternal> how is UDS going so far? I seen there were a lot of good Kubuntu/KDE sprints this week
[04:52] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:53] <nixternal> you know what, I wasn't going to draw a moustache on your behindkde interview, but you just lost :p
[04:53] <\sh> nixternal, add yourself to the voip lurkers for UDS ;)
[04:54] <nixternal> \sh: where is the info for voip?
[04:54] <nixternal> I didn't know they were rockin' the voip, is there an irc channel?
[04:54] <\sh> nixternal, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 27/71GB, RAM: 873/1510MB, 129 proc's, 3.10h up
[05:42] <nixternal> having fun?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:48] <Tm_T> :)
[05:49] <nixternal> i wish I knew what Riddell wanted me to make packages of
[05:49] <nixternal> starting with strigi
[05:49] <Riddell> nixternal: hi
[05:50] <Riddell> nixternal: I've done it up to kdebase (still compiling)
[05:50] <nixternal> hola
[05:50] <Hobbsee> (of?)
[05:50] <Riddell> when that's done I'll put them where you can get them and if you fancy you can complete it
[05:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kde 4         a
[05:50] <nixternal> ooh
[05:50] <Riddell> alpha
[05:50] <nixternal> that is what you are talking about
[05:51] <nixternal> Riddell: I can take a look at them sure, I have it build here so I can use kdevelop3 and run them
[05:51] <nixternal> I have to say, they did an amazing job with kdegames and svg
[05:51] <Riddell> source http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1/
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ooh :)
[06:17] <Goliath23> hi. are video preview icons disabled intentionally in feisty or is there a way to enable them again? I know #kubuntu is the support channel but noone seems to know and cwolfe has the same problem.
[06:22] <manchicken> Goliath23: I'm not sure how responsive folks will be in this channel this week.
[06:22] <manchicken> Many of us are at UDS-Sevilla.
[06:25] <Goliath23> ah okay
[06:31] <Riddell> nixternal: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1/debs/
[06:31] <Riddell> nixternal: download .debs from there and install in a feisty chroot
[06:31] <Riddell> then package the rest of kde 4 src based on packages in feisty
[06:32] <Riddell> they shouldn't need any update except dch
[06:33] <Riddell> nixternal: if you start on that let me know, if you don't fancy doing it, poke someone else to do it :)
[06:33] <Riddell> nixternal: also, who maintains help.u.c?
[06:33] <Riddell> can we get feisty kubuntu docs on there?
[06:39] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?
[06:39] <manchicken> Ah, spotted you.
[06:41] <nixternal> Riddell: doing that now :)
[06:41] <nixternal> yes, nothing to change, cp -r debian/ into new is pretty much it
[06:42] <nixternal> Riddell: h.u.c is newz2000
[06:42] <nixternal> we need to talk about that, dunno why but I think they want us to how kubuntu-docs on k.o
[07:02] <nixternal_> imbrandon: you around at all, have a chroot question or 2 for you
[07:02] <nixternal_> or any chroot expert who has a few minutes
[07:07] <jdong> nixternal_: what's a "chroot expert" :)
[07:09] <nixternal_> someone who knows more than I :)
[07:11] <jdong> nixternal_: what's the question?
[07:13] <nixternal_> I need to install the kde4 alpha debs in the chroot and use them for building, do I just do that like I do any .deb install? and do I need to setup pbuilder in that chroot in order to build packages against it? (i.e., so it uses the newer kde4base and libs for packaging)
[07:14] <jdong> nixternal_: usually, what I do is make a local APT repo with those packages, tell pbuilder to bind-mount them, and edit pbuilder's sources.list to include that repo
[07:14] <nixternal_> hrmm, that sounds easy enough
[07:14] <jdong> i.e. feed to pbuilder: --bindmounts /var/cache/pbuilder/localrepo
[07:15] <jdong> edit pbuilder's sources.list to include "deb file:/var/cache/pbuilder/localrepo ./"
[07:15] <jdong> then, just run a dpkg-scanpackage . /dev/null > Packages within localrepo, update pbuilder update, and voila
[07:15] <nixternal_> ooh, that sounds really easy actually
[07:16] <jdong> yep, easy and elegant :)
[07:22] <nixternal_> hrmm, can i just use deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.90.1/debs/ ./
[07:22] <nixternal_> instead of copying them all?
[07:24] <jdong> yeah, certainly
[07:24] <jdong> that makes your job even easier :)
[07:24] <nixternal_> then I don't need to do the dpkg-scanpackage since I won't be using a localrepo correct?
[07:24] <jdong> correct
[07:25] <jdong> lol, just remember that this pbuilder is "tainted" with those packages when you go back to doing other MOTU work ;-)
[07:25] <nixternal_> yes
[07:25] <nixternal_> OK, I will just build a kde4 pbuilder, that is a good idea
[07:25] <jdong> sounds great
[07:28] <nixternal_> pbuilder update isn't grabbing them
[07:28] <jdong> what commmand are you using to add the sources?
[07:28] <jdong> you need --override-config
[07:28] <nixternal_> I added the sources manually (emacs) into my feisty pbuilder sources.list
[07:28] <jdong> did you do --save-after-login?
[07:29] <nixternal_> that worked, however  it failed to fetch those, because there is not a Packages.gz
[07:30] <jdong> hmm, Riddell doesn't have a Packages.gz?
[07:30] <jdong> wow, he really doesn't
[07:30] <nixternal_> heh
[07:30] <nixternal_> so I will have to do it the local way :)
[07:30] <jdong> I guess you will have to do it the local way :)
[07:56] <nixternal_> jdong: scanpackages, should that > Packages or Packages.gz
[07:56] <jdong> Packages
[07:56] <nixternal_> k
[07:56] <jdong> since it's local it's probably not worth your extra keystrokes to gzip it :D
[07:57] <nixternal_> the --bind for pbuilder, should I use that with update
[07:57] <jdong> you need to use the --bindmount command for each pbuilder command
[07:57] <nixternal_> ahh
[07:57] <nixternal_> OK
[07:57] <jdong> else it won't be able to access that directory from the chroot
[07:57] <jdong> hmm....
[07:59] <nixternal_> hrmm, says it can't find my Packages.gz
[08:00] <jdong> hmm....
[08:00] <jdong> the commands I have prevu use are...
[08:00] <jdong>       os.system('dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages 2>/dev/null')
[08:00] <jdong> --bindmounts /var/cache/prevu/%s-debs
[08:00] <jdong> nothing terribly special....
[08:01] <nixternal_> Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/pbuilder/feisty/localrepo/./Packages.gz  File not found
[08:02] <jdong> well, gzip Packages I guess....
[08:02] <jdong> strange; it works here without gzipping
[08:02] <nixternal_> is it file:/ or file:///
[08:03] <jdong> file:/
[08:03] <jdong> "deb file:/var/cache/prevu/%s-debs ./"
[08:06] <nixternal_> Ign file: ./ Release.gpg
[08:06] <nixternal_> Ign file: ./ Release
[08:06] <nixternal_> Ign file: ./ Packages
[08:06] <nixternal_> Err file: ./ Packages
[08:07] <nixternal_> does it matter that the dir contains .dsc, .build, .changes and such besides .debs?
[08:09] <jdong> nope, it should not matter
[08:10] <jdong> are you sure your --bindmounts is working?
[08:10] <nixternal_> shh!
[08:10] <jdong> mmm? :)
[08:11] <nixternal_> ;)
[08:13] <nixternal_> I still get the Ign file: for it, however it doesn't scream that error anymore
[08:13] <jdong> it might Ign some; that's fine
[08:13] <jdong> as long as it finds one of the candidates and doesn't scream, it's fine
[08:16] <nixternal_> argh, I can never remember the wget command to grab *.gz or whatever
[08:16] <nixternal_> I tried one, but it grabbed the entire site I thin
[08:16] <nixternal_> k
[08:16] <nixternal_> heh
[08:18] <jdong> lol
[08:18] <jdong> I suck at those too :D
[08:58] <MidMark> hi, just a question: why all canon drivers from gutenprint aren't listed by kde-print, but they are present if I install from http://localhost:631 ?
[08:59] <nixternal_> argh, jdong those .debs aren't working when I try to build the package
[09:03] <nixternal_> and I think I just found out why, kdelibs5-dev 3.90.1 is amd64 build and not x86
[09:14] <marseillai_> anyone to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5046 it's a package of smplayer
[09:30] <_StefanS_> marseillai_: what about it ?
[09:32] <marseillai_> _StefanS_: i was just asking if someone could revu it
[09:49] <nixternal_> I can't even login to revu, the gpg deal isn't working for me
[09:50] <ScottK> nixternal_: What result do you get??
[09:50] <myriam_rs> folks, you are in Sevilla and still at work?
[09:51] <nixternal_> None
[09:51] <nixternal_> heh
[09:52] <ScottK> I haven't fully troubleshot it, I just use the other box.
[09:52] <nixternal_> well it asked me for a passphrase and I entered
[09:52] <nixternal_> it
[09:55] <ScottK> OK.  Then that's not it. Dunno what to suggest then.
[09:56] <nixternal_> it would be nice if we could just use our lp passwords
[09:57] <nixternal_> instead of having to decrypt it every time
[10:04] <ScottK> Yes, but don't forget that REVU is community sponsored.  It's no part of Canonical's systems.
[10:04] <ScottK> Good luck.  Gotta run.
[10:13] <nixternal_> hiya jjesse
[10:20] <nixternal_> man, my silly issue with the localrepos, was sources.list pointing to gutsy, how silly
[10:32] <nixternal_> ARGH!
[10:32] <nixternal_> kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libqt4-dev-kdecopy but it is not going to be installed
[10:32] <nixternal_> anyone (Riddell) know how to get around this?
[10:33] <Tm_T> nixternal_: find out why libqt4-dev-kdecopy it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <Tm_T> like, is wrong version available?
[10:33] <nixternal_> this is via pbuilder
[10:33] <Tm_T> hmm, that's interesting
[10:34] <nixternal_> it seems that libqt4-dev-kdecopy won't install is because of its broken dependencies
[10:48] <jjesse> hiya nixternal_
[10:49] <nixternal_> are you still planning on coming to Chicago?
[10:49] <jjesse> yeah next week
[10:51] <nixternal_> what days?
[10:54] <jjesse> umm monday thru friday i'll be in class/town
[10:55] <jjesse> i'm actually driving down to chi town on sunday
[10:57] <nixternal_> hrmm, Sunday I am doing Mother's Day with the family
[10:57] <nixternal_> do you know if you will have any free time at all?
[10:57] <nixternal_> that is the week of my finals too
[10:58] <jjesse> i don't know what my schedule will be
[10:58] <jjesse> probablly class 8am to 5pm?
[11:11] <_StefanS_> wooooha