[08:15] <humphreybc> So what was the outcome of the meeting earlier today?
[08:54] <zkriesse> heya vish
[08:55] <vish> o/
[22:30] <ChrisWoollard> It is quiet here this evening


[06:05] <Ziroday> Hi, how possible would it be to make this gtk theme http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-1-93584571 ?
[12:41] <thorwil> nand: hi! what do you think of the ubuntu wanted project?
[12:42] <nand> thorwil: Hi! That is a project that, if Brainstorm was already here, I would have started :)
[12:42] <nand> I would really like to see it happen
[12:43] <thorwil> nand: i have been asked for a logo
[12:44] <nand> already before the project is even started? that's premature IMO
[12:44] <thorwil> aha, i'm just now checking what the state of matters is ;)
[12:45] <nand> well, sense wants to start this project, but it is still at the "requirement gathering" step
[12:46] <nand> and I'm not sure he will actually start it, since he mentions some lack of time
[12:47] <nand> I'm now waiting and hoping for the actual start of it, not another endless "let's do it" dying rush
[12:48] <thorwil> good thing i asked you then, because my answer will be that i will wait for something "touchable" to appear :)
[12:49] <nand> let's wait and see :s
[13:05] <thorwil> nand: btw, will we ever see most-annoying-bugs?
[13:07] <nand> thorwil: from the input we get at UDS, probably not.
[13:07] <nand> but I'll use the bugs artwork on the submit idea page
[13:08] <nand> to put in big red letters "BUGS => launchpad"
[13:08] <nand> sorry about asking you something without being 100% that it would be released :/
[13:08] <nand> 100% sure
[13:19] <thorwil> nand: no bad feelings, we all learn :)
[13:21] <thorwil> nand: i'm about to tweak the cogs to make them look like they could actually rotate
[13:21] <nand> hehe
[13:22] <thorwil> nand: have you checked the size of the strip? i hope it's not becoming to wide, especially with added labels ...
[13:22] <thorwil> nand: what do you think of that comment these icons would lack "presence"?
[13:23] <nand> hmm
[13:24] <nand> I guess that if we compare with the KDE crystak icons I'm using, it looks rather pale
[13:25] <nand> I wonder if his comment was written while looking at the dev version of the site...
[13:27] <thorwil> how would he know that?
[13:27] <nand> I posted in the forums the link
[13:29] <nand> as for the width, you can add up to a fifth of the current witdh if you find it necessary
[13:29]  * nand is trying to make things fit for 800x600 ...
[13:30] <thorwil> that makes in px?
[13:32] <nand> 90 more px
[14:41] <melat0nin> what does everyone make of the Digg furorue around willwill100's mockups?
[14:41] <melat0nin> furore*
[14:46] <nand> melat0nin: well, I guess unless someone make the effort to package it, it will stay in the mockup state...
[14:47] <melat0nin> well just to add a tiny bit of momentum: i really hope they do ;)
[14:47] <melat0nin> haven't seen people this excited about ubuntu in a while, and lots of people who are otherwise disinterested
[15:14] <DanaG> Which mockup is that?
[15:16] <melat0nin> DanaG: you can see them here: http://willwill100.deviantart.com/
[15:17] <DanaG> Oooh.
[15:17] <DanaG> Nice.
[15:17] <melat0nin> indeed :)
[15:17] <DanaG> (though I find gnome-do to be inferior to deskbar, now that deskbar is back to being a desk......bar.
[15:18] <DanaG> For a while, deskbar-applet was desk-button-that-opens-a-window-applet.
[15:22] <melat0nin> tbh for me it's more the theme than the widgets etc that is important at this stage
[15:22] <melat0nin> and the theme is killer
[15:28] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[15:28] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png
[15:28] <DanaG> that's my theme; two pics differer slightly in color selection.
[15:29] <melat0nin> danag: are those yours?
[15:29] <melat0nin> oh sorry, didn't see your last msg


[00:13] <callmepk> good morning
[01:27] <jamesh> hi callmepk
[01:28] <duflu> Hi callmepk and jamesh
[01:49] <callmepk> hey jamesh duflu
[01:49] <jamesh> duflu: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1897224, this really does look like something to fix in Mutter
[01:50] <duflu> jamesh, yeah I already got the bug mail. I don't understand that code (yet) so it might be best for you to propose a revert if you can explain it
[01:51] <jamesh> duflu: my understanding is that with the autoload logic, Mutter bound two sockets and would only start Xwayland when someone tried to connect.  At which point it would pass the file descriptors for the listening sockets to Xwayland.
[01:52] <jamesh> However it was only polling the abstract namespace socket, so ignored attempts to connect to the non-abstract socket
[02:39] <jamesh> duflu: I've filed https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1454
[02:40] <duflu> Cool
[04:58] <jibel> Good morning
[05:07] <jamesh> morning jibel
[05:13] <jibel> Hi jamesh
[05:18] <duflu> Morning jibel
[05:20] <jibel> morning duflu
[06:36] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:49] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN
[06:55] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and ricotz
[07:08] <didrocks> good morning
[07:16] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:20] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:03] <duflu> (elbow bump) Laney
[08:06] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:07] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:08] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[08:08] <duflu> seb128, I'm alright. It's springtime here, and I am surveying the set of things that missed 3.38, hopefully GNOME 40.
[08:08] <duflu> How are you seb128?
[08:09] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright, trying a new coworking space today
[08:10]  * Laney toe bumps duflu
[08:10] <Laney> moin seb128
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:12] <oSoMoN> hey everyone
[08:15] <didrocks> hey Laney, seb128, oSoMoN
[08:15] <seb128> lut didrocks , comment ça va ?
[08:16] <didrocks> ça va, p-e une petite fenêtre d’opportunité pour reprendre la course à pied :)
[08:16] <seb128> ah, super, la laisse pas passer :-)
[08:25] <Laney> seb128: yeah alright, looking like a nice day outside!
[08:25] <Laney> what's different about the new space? closer?
[08:26] <Laney> yo oSoMoN yo didrocks
[08:26] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:26] <Laney> pied-ing I see
[08:27] <didrocks> Laney: heh, correct :p
[08:27] <didrocks> seb128: je vais essayer :)
[08:27] <seb128> Laney, yes, it's in walking distance (or 5 min with bike), also it's a proper coworking space with desks, screens, etc where the other is an hackspace
[08:28] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:28]  * seb128 enjoys a cappuccino from the bar
[08:28] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[08:28] <marcustomlinson> seb128: meh, got a cold. you?
[08:29] <seb128> :-(
[08:29] <seb128> I'm alright, the usual lack of sleep but I will stop mentioning it at this point since that seems the 'normal' state of affairs at this point :-)
[08:30] <seb128> -at this point
[08:30] <Laney> ahhhh
[08:30] <marcustomlinson> ha, yeah
[08:38] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[08:38]  * duflu goes to the "bar" to make a coffee
[08:40] <seb128> duflu, you are playing the role of the barista there as well? ;-)
[08:40] <duflu> seb128, yes because I rang the bell for ages and nobody came
[08:44]  * duflu now realises that's a mouse
[08:51] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu
[09:34] <luna_> morning desktoppers
[09:42] <duflu> Morning luna_
[10:17] <Laney> Trevinho: hey, we're past user interface freeze so you need to get an exception for yaru I think
[10:20] <seb128> GunnarHj ^
[10:21] <Laney> via a Launchpad bug
[10:23] <GunnarHj> Hey seb128, not sure what you mean.
[10:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, UIF is going to come as a FYI, you usually help reviewing those I think?
[10:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ah, ok.
[11:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, do you plan to do the gnome-user-docs 3.38.1 update?
[11:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes I do. Didn't know it has been released already. I'll fix it.
[11:04] <GunnarHj> * including gbp pull *
[11:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks
[11:51] <ricotz> please retry vala/s390x https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#vala
[11:52] <seb128> ricotz, hey, retried now
[11:52] <ricotz> seb128, ty
[12:22] <pizzaiolo> i'm curious, how long does it usually take for a new version of gnome to make it's way into ubuntu images?
[12:34] <xnox> pizzaiolo:  have you checked the release schedule? it outlines when gnome releases, and when that gets integrated into ubuntu.
[12:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ready to sponsor: https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-user-docs
[12:36] <pizzaiolo> xnox i see, looking now
[12:37] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks, I will do that in a bit
[12:53] <mgedmin> pizzaiolo: precisely the same amount of time there is between the (time-based) gnome releases and (time-based) ubuntu releases
[12:54] <mgedmin> i.e. about one month
[13:24] <pizzaiolo> mgedmin i think i'll download the beta and try messing around with it in a VM
[14:55] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, I've pinged the yaru team let see.. from what I was told they were only fixes, " no design changes"
[15:02] <Trevinho> Laney: they said to me "The changes are not visible but they revert that "gray" row selection from the previous update. I think design didnt even ack the gray selection. So for orange rows + fixes for borders and especially for libhandy apps you need this update"
[15:02] <Trevinho> this is what they said to me, want this in a bug?
[15:07] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[15:08] <luna_> good afternoon
[15:09] <luna_> Waiting for Day 2 of the ZFS Summit to start in 11 minutes: https://openzfs.org/wiki/OpenZFS_Developer_Summit
[15:20] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:21] <hellsworth> hey there oSoMoN !
[15:40] <luna_> started now
[15:51] <rbalint> Laney, re: rpcsvc-proto, thanks fixing it
[15:51] <Laney> ooh
[15:51] <Laney> thanks, I was going to JFDI that but then I forgot /o\
[15:59] <rbalint> no prob, i'm back now
[18:18] <juliank> I assume there's a regression somewhere in gtk or something, as geany (editor in universe) in groovy is hanging from time to time while typing, but worked fine in focal
[18:18] <juliank> And geany is the same version
[18:18] <juliank> Anyone has some tips for where to start debugging?
[18:19] <juliank> well any of : libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.27), libcairo2 (>= 1.8.0), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.0), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.41.1), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.21.5), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), really
[18:24] <juliank> I know, I should just switch to vim
[18:24] <kenvandine> hellsworth: the review-tools change hasn't been pulled from the store yet, but jdstrand said they could do a manual review
[18:24] <kenvandine> so go ahead and add compression: lzo
[18:24] <hellsworth> oh ok neat
[18:24] <hellsworth> will do then :)
[18:24] <hellsworth> thanks!!
[18:25] <jdstrand> hellsworth: feel free to ping amurray or emitorino when you need that manual review
[18:25] <jdstrand> hellsworth: (if we don't get to it before you notice :)
[18:26] <hellsworth> haha ok thanks, will do :)
[18:32] <jdstrand> hellsworth: the only thing I ask is that if you have automated builds/uploads that perhaps you scale them back a bit so we can keep up better (otherwise they queue up and are rather painful to approve one after the other). I suspect considering it is libreoffice, you probably aren't doing per commit build/uploads, but thought I'd mention it just in case :)
[18:33] <jdstrand> hellsworth: or get an lzo build you like, then move it out of edge and then go back to xz for edge until this lands. really, whatever you think/need is best
[18:34] <jdstrand> (there have been times on fast moving projects that scores of builds were in the queue due to a change not yet being in prod)
[19:08] <hellsworth> jdstrand: right so i don't build libreoffice that often just because it is so huge, usually build and release only once or twice per upstream release
[19:08] <hellsworth> i'll get an lzo build going for upload to edge and then (assuming it passes) it should be ready for review tomorrow
[19:25] <jdstrand> hellsworth: sounds great