[00:17] <nsaunders> how do I detect the details for the VGA monitor?  Something like lspci?
[00:18] <sarnold> nsaunders: < arraybolt3> xrandr? < sarnold> edid-decode or read-edid perhaps?
[00:55] <khadas> Hey guys, whose all here
[01:28] <LifeIsSoEZEZEZ> printf("Sexbuntu slave World ~")
[02:17] <five6184> if I have gdb:amd64 and gdb:arm64, how can I choose which one to run?
[02:17] <five6184> in the case of multiarch system
[02:19] <lmat> five6184: What, pray, is a multi-architecture system?
[02:20] <five6184> just one that has "sudo dpkg --add-architecture amd64" and "sudo dpkg --add-architecture arm64"
[02:20] <five6184> in my case it's an M1 mac with Rosetta 2 emulation
[02:20] <five6184> but I think I got an answer, gdb:arm64 replaces gdb:amd64 and vice versa
[02:39] <arraybolt3> OK, this is going to be a pretty silly question, but... how on earth is Bash's autocomplete feature so... powerful? I mean it makes sense that it can tab-complete directory names, but on my system it can even autocomplete Git subcommands and branch names. How. On earth. Is it doing that.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> This is only out of curiosity, so if it's not enough of a "support" question to be on-topic here, I can take it elsewhere.
[03:19] <e25> gnome-software won't show me anything in any category, its just blank.  however it works fine if i search, works fine to install stuff, remove stuff, do updates.  the only thing i cant do is browse by category....
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> e25: seems to work here on 22.04
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> e25: are you using default snap store, or did you reinstall the old gnome software?
[03:23] <leftyfb> e25: don't use gnome-software. Use "Ubuntu Software"
[03:23] <e25> I am not sure what to do is why I ask here.  I tried deleting .cache/gnome-software
[03:24] <e25> I am using gnome-software not snap store.  I am not using standard ubuntu flavor, i started with ubuntu-server and installed lightdm then enlightenment then a few other things then now trying to figure out gnome-software
[03:25] <leftyfb> e25: don't. Use the supported software store
[03:26] <leftyfb> e25: sudo snap install snap-store
[03:26] <e25> I'm trying to solve problem with gnome-software, which is part of ubuntu, no?
[03:27] <e25> I don't want to install snap store, but thanks for idea leftyb.
[03:27] <e25> I already have an idea for alternative if this doesnt work, but I don't understand why it doesnt work...
[03:27] <e25> I can search and find everything ,just not browse by category.
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> there's always good ol synaptic you can use e25
[03:28] <e25> Okay I'm not looking for alternatives, but thanks.
[03:29] <e25> Nor would synaptic be an actual alternative, plasma-discover is what I'll try next if for some reason I can't get gnome=software to work.
[03:29] <e25> synaptic is a gui package manager, not an app store anyway.
[03:30] <leftyfb> e25: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1248599/ubuntu-software-shows-only-editors-picks-20-04
[03:31] <e25> Mine not only shows the editors picks, but also shows the categories....
[03:32] <e25> Its just when I click on the categories, the content is blank... at first it shows a kinda outline, then goes to pure blank after 5 mins or so
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> you can file a new !bug if you like e25
[03:36] <e25> well i assume its not a bug, just a setting or something im missing or something, somebody earlier said it works fine for them, so i doubt a bug
[03:37] <e25> oh it was you that said it worked for you....
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> e25: no, i tested it on snap-store
[03:41] <e25> https://i.imgur.com/iAYiWk6.png  https://i.imgur.com/5t2Xof0.png  https://i.imgur.com/iGBksum.png
[03:42] <e25> I just took some screenshots incase it wasn't clear explanation. If anyone has idea please lmk I will stay online few more hours.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> e25: you could bootup a liveusb of an ubuntu flavour that used gnome-software by default to compare its not user related or a result of your frankenubuntu tests
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> e25: and/or create a new user to test it on, or try it on gnome itself
[06:08] <blahboybaz> if someon is familar with the cloud image or the docekr image based on it..  In that past, when installing ubuntu on bare metal (not docekr image) I recall having to `sudo apt update && sudo apt apgrade` and (often) a great many packages would have to get upgraded - so much so that you would step away and do something else for a while until it completes. Is upgrading not necessary for the cloud
[06:08] <blahboybaz> image/docker image? Is it somehow implemented in a way that it is assured to be up to date on any given day that you use it? If so how?
[06:08] <blahboybaz> docekr\docker
[07:37] <rfm> blahboybaz, afaik the process that generates the images is going to do a update before it spins the image out, and that runs ~daily, so generaly images should be pretty much up to date.
[07:49] <circle> Hi I am using (K)Ubuntu 22.04.2 live installer [USB] on an 2019 laptop with Secure Boot Enabled. I get a "Verification failed: (0x1A) Security Violation screen, which I guess means that the signing key used for the Ubuntu boot process was not preinstalled in 2019, since the next screen says "Perform MOK management" and offers to enroll a key from
[07:49] <circle> disk, and offers to browse the EFI directory. Where is the key on the live install image?
[07:50] <circle> I should say that the USB booted in secure mode previously, but stopped, perhaps because I reset the BIOS X-(
[07:53] <circle> Oh it only lets me browse EFI/boot and there are only 3 .efi files, when "Only DER encoded certficate ... " is accepted.
[08:04] <circle> Someone yesterday mentioned boot repair, but I don't see it on the Live/Installer
[08:17] <toddc> circle: on first boot you must enroll in MOK  enroll MOK enter continue enter enter secureboot password then reboot
[08:18] <toddc> circle: for boot repair see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[08:22] <toddc> circle: this video shows correct MOK enrollment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VwTYU0Mec&ab_channel=PhilipYip
[08:34] <circle> toddc in that video Secure Boot is on, and the USB boots without difficulty
[08:36] <circle> then it shows how to add keys for third party hardware,
[08:37] <circle> What's missing is the key for the Ubuntu boot shim or grub shim or something like that.
[08:38] <circle> Can I do the same process for the shim as the third party drivers?
[09:13] <toddc> circle: yes it will accept them after MOK is activated
[09:13] <circle> on boot of live/install USB I get bad shim signature
[09:16] <toddc> I have never had to repair reinstall but I am sure it can be done. boot repair last time i used it was a bit limited at secureboot not sure if it is better now--
[09:19] <toddc> circle: search ubuntu Mok repair there are several guides but I have not tested as it worked on each install I had so far live does not use MOK so may be a issue with your live media
[09:21] <toddc> circle: I am no expert but I have installed it 20+ times with out a issue during fresh install
[09:21] <circle> I think there was a key update distributed in recent years, and the Ubuntu shim is signed by an updated key. So I think the issue is how to install the updated key, rather than just to sign each OS install.
[09:21] <circle> Does this make sense?
[09:21] <circle> Ubuntu booted fine in Secure Boot until I reset the BIOS, and lost any updated keys
[09:24] <toddc> not that I have seen  I use MOK on 20.04 and 22.04 I think updating the bios may hace wiped to path to the key so finding the path to the key may be the issue. during a fresh install MOK sets the path automaticly
[09:28] <circle-too> toddc: I am previously known as circle.
[09:28] <toddc> I did see a update for uefi dbx but it worked for me on all my computers soooo no idea there
[09:28] <toddc> np
[09:29] <circle-too> Thank you for the ideas. Have to disconnect for a bit, then I'll try them out.
[09:29] <toddc> you may need some with a more in depth knowage of secureboot or create new media and reinstall
[09:30] <toddc> or disable secureboot as it not a hude security issue on linux as I have heard
[09:30] <toddc> huge
[09:32] <circle-too> I'm pretty sure it's not the media fault, its my UEFI - SecureBoot key database, which I understand poorly.
[09:33] <toddc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/ShimUpdateProcess/TestPlan
[09:34] <toddc> if live media fails shim test then I suspect live media
[09:40] <circle-too> Do we know what key is used to sign the shim, and when that key was universally distributed among hardware manufacturers? I thought this was only in recent years.
[09:43] <toddc> circle-too: ubuntu has their own signed key and as far as I know one and only key. bios needs the path to the key in the dbx file
[10:21] <ice9> I deleted .local/share/keyring by mistake now apps can't save their passwords when I enter them again, I rebooted but still same issue
[10:23] <ice9> when I try to start google chrome I get: libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null); any idea?
[11:07] <migrat> Hey, i can't seem to find Atari800 or UAE amiga emulators, aren't they packaged in the official Ubuntu repositories>?
[11:09] <guiverc> migrat, i see "Atari 8-bit emulator for SDL" packaged for all releases, but I know nothing about it (apt-cache search found it along with other stuff)
[11:10] <migrat> guiverc, there is only the console Stella, but i mean the old computers Atari and the Amigas.
[11:11] <migrat> ok i just found them.
[11:11] <guiverc> they may not have been open-sourced; they possibly hoped to 'sell' them; consoles were pretty much abandoned thus open-sourcing wasn't an issue.. but I'm no expert.
[11:11] <migrat> my apt cache was not updated.
[11:16] <migrat> however only atari 16b it seems, but it's nice already,.
[11:36] <ni-ux> is there a good way to configure apt to never use snap? there are some packages where it seems to deceive you into thinking you're installing a real package but then it reinstalls snap and then a "snap" package version of the app
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> ni-ux: purge snapd if you dont want to use snaps?
[11:40] <ni-ux> yes, but then some packages reinstall snap rather than using a real package
[11:41] <ni-ux> really it would be better if we just move away from snap entirely - it isn't suitable for production use so at work we end up having to double check its removed from any servers and for personal people could always install it themselves if for some reason they want to have no autonomy or control over updates and to waste tons of disk space by creating little needlessly isolated package environments for everything
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> this is an ubuntu server ni-ux ?
[11:42] <ni-ux> both server and desktop seem to have the cancer yes
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> dont think its possible to ditch on server
[11:43] <ni-ux> it is - just takes some work
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> ogra: maybe you can advice here^
[11:43] <migrat> because snaps makes life easier for packages maintainers sometimes, they don't need to deal many different dependencies library version etc.
[11:43] <migrat> +with
[11:43] <ni-ux> right but package maintainer laziness isn't really a reason to do something at scale
[11:44] <ni-ux> just release source tarballs if you dont' want to make a deb or rpm
[11:45] <ni-ux> if someone only releases snaps their software is probably buggy and poorly written anyway
[11:46] <ravage> Snaps will stay an important part of Ubuntu
[11:46] <migrat> An option flag to prevent apt / synaptic to install snaps or flatpacks etc could be cool anyway.
[11:46] <ravage> If you don't like snap at all choose another distribution
[11:47] <migrat> there's also .appimage files all pack into a single file.
[11:47] <ni-ux> I've been using ubuntu for 15+ years - it would suck if they make poor decisions that lead to having to choose an alternative
[11:47] <ni-ux> if you're really sold on lazy package management at least use flatpak where there is some control over updates
[11:48] <ravage> Feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> lets not drag this into a discussion here ni-ux
[11:48] <ni-ux> and on the server side neither flatpak nor snap should ever be installed
[11:48] <ni-ux> ok fair enough
[12:32] <webchat53> Hello -
[12:32] <webchat53> I have installed Ubuntu on my old MacBook to use as a home network cups server. The printer is connected via USB to the Ubunutu Macbook. I have installed cups and samba and have everything up and running GREAT!
[12:32] <webchat53> Because it is a laptop and I want to keep the lid closed so I disabled the lid suspend so that the computer wont fall asleep.
[12:32] <webchat53> I am now realizing that the computer will be running full time for no reason other than waiting for print jobs.
[12:32] <webchat53> My question: is there not a way to have the computer wake for cups network access? Currently, if I allow it to sleep it will not wake or even show a printer on the LAN.
[12:32] <webchat53> I hope that all makes sense. Just to sum up:
[12:33] <wudu_> Hello. I'm running a VPS with Ubuntu 20.04 and Tor from the Torproject repo. Tor doesn't upgrade and is now outdated due to unresolved dependency: tor : Depends: "runit-helper (>= 2.10.0~) but 2.8.14ubuntu2 is to be installed". I can't do a dist upgrade ATM. Can I solve this somehow?
[12:45] <max_> hi all
[12:46] <luna_> hey
[12:47] <ice9> google-chrome fail to start: libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null); any idea?
[12:48] <max_> can i ask something about ubuntu pro? the command "pro security-status" doesn't work anymore and /snap/bin/canonical-livepatch too
[12:53] <spinningCat> how can i solve this error curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:54] <ice9> spinningCat, run: sudo apt install libssl3
[12:55] <spinningCat> ice9,  it is already installed
[12:56] <spinningCat> hmm using curl with sude solved the problem,
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:00] <luna_> hey
[13:11] <circle> toddc: Thank you for the discussion; Oddly, after powering down, moving the laptop, and booting again, I didn't get the error message, hope it stays away. X)
[14:04] <flaf> Hi everybody. I'm trying to understand how an APT upgrade via unattended-upgrade is triggered on Ubuntu 22.04. According to my searchs on Web, upgrades are triggered by a systemd timer apt-daily-upgrade which launches the commad "/usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install". But the systemd unit belongs to the package apt, not unattended-upgrade package. And unattended-upgrade has it owned daemon (the
[14:04] <flaf> command /usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown --wait-for-signal). In this case, what is the goal of this daemon? Which system component triggers the automatic upgrade? Thx.
[14:06] <ioria> nope, that script just temporarily inhibits a shutdown signal until apt finishes
[14:11] <flaf> ioria: ah ok thx. 1) So, in this case, the command “systemctl disable unattended-upgrades.service” doesn't disable automatic upgrades, correct? To disable automatic upgrades, I have to do “systemctl disable apt-daily-upgrade.service”, correct? 2) The daemon apt-daily-upgrade belongs to "apt" package. So, if the package unattended-upgrade is uninstalled (but not apt), what does the daemon
[14:11] <flaf> apt-daily-upgrade.service?
[14:12] <ogra> the systemd timer is a direct replacement of the former cron apt daily/weekly stuff ... unattended upgrades just hooks into that mechanism
[14:12] <ioria> i guess a simple 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades' willdo it
[14:12] <oerheks> ioria, +1
[14:12] <ogra> yeah, what ioria said
[14:13] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[14:15] <ioria> and you can check 20auto-upgrades  ; it should be all set to zero  iirc
[14:15] <flaf> oerheks: ioria: Ok and if unattended is not installed, the systemd unit “apt-daily-upgrade.service” just does... nothing?
[14:16] <flaf> *unattended-upgrade
[14:16] <ioria> flaf, we should reread the script to be sure :þ
[14:18] <ioria>  this ib/apt/apt.systemd.daily
[14:18] <jhutchins> What determines when an un-installed package appears in dpkg -l even after it's been purged (it shows as "un")?
[14:18] <ioria> i mean : /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily
[14:18] <flaf> ioria: in the script, I can see this line “command -v unattended-upgrade ... && ...“. So I am probably not far from the truth.
[14:19] <ioria> yep
[14:19] <flaf> ioria and oerheks: thx for your help.
[14:19] <ioria> no prob
[14:22] <ioria> jhutchins, un = unknown ?
[14:23] <ogra> it doesnt "just do nothing" ... the timer does a lot beyond triggering unattended upgrades, i.e. all the apt hygiene bits based on apt config (which is why you should not tinker with the timer but only with unattended-upgrades itself)
[14:24] <jhutchins> ioria: I believe that's "uninstalled".
[14:24] <ioria> ah
[14:24] <jhutchins> In the first field which shows ii for installed packages.
[14:25] <ioria> https://askubuntu.com/questions/18804/what-do-the-various-dpkg-flags-like-ii-rc-mean
[14:25] <jhutchins> I do have a bunch that are "rc" (I think that's removed, configured (the configuration file has not been purged).
[14:26] <jhutchins> ioria: Yes, I know what they mean, I want to know why a package shows as un instead of just not being listed.
[14:27] <ogra> un -> unknown and not installed (you have to read the two letters separately)
[14:27] <ioria> jhutchins, you need some research ; apt-cache policy pkg
[14:28] <flaf> ogra: ok. But if I want to change the moment when an upgrade via unattended-upgrade is done, I have to override the timer "apt-daily-upgrade.service", no? Because by default it's between 6:00-7:00 (AM).
[14:29] <ogra> flaf, you maintain that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades IIRC
[14:30] <ogra> see https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#automatic_call_via_.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fapt.conf.d.2F02periodic
[14:31] <ioria> Some configuration files might be 'unknown' to dpkg because they are created and handled separately through the configuration scripts
[14:32] <ioria> afk
[14:32] <flaf> ogra: not in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades because it's the systemd timer "apt-daily-upgrade.timer" which chooses when the unattended-upgrade is run.
[14:34] <flaf> ogra: in your url there is my answer https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Modifying_download_and_upgrade_schedules_.28on_systemd.29 <= it's a change of the unit apt-daily-upgrade.timer indeed.
[14:35] <ogra> flaf, wrong, the timer only choses when to trigger all the apt things ... unattended-upgrades is only one of them and should be maaged via the config
[14:35] <ogra> *managed
[14:42] <jhutchins> Does apt autoremove take a "purge" argument?
[14:42] <flaf> ogra: to you, which system component run the “unattended-upgrade” command? To me, it's the systemd timer "apt-daily-upgrade.timer" which contains “OnCalendar=*-*-* 6:00” (ie at 6:00 AM with a random delay), this timer run the command “/usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install” defined in the systemd unit “apt-daily-upgrade.service”, and this command run the command
[14:42] <flaf> “unattended-upgrade”. So, to me, to change the moment the moment when unattended-upgrade is run, I have to edit/override the timer "apt-daily-upgrade.timer", and this is documented in your URL https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades in section 3. Am I wrong?
[14:43] <oerheks> jhutchins, yes
[14:43] <oerheks> Yes, but not every file related to package is deleted as purge doesn't remove data stored by packages inside the home directory or other special directories.
[14:43] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036697/does-apt-autoremove-purge-package-also-remove-configuration-files-for-the
[14:44] <oerheks> so, your pics will remain, made with an obscure paint program 😛
[14:44] <jhutchins> Theoretically there is no saved data, as these programs have never been used.  (Mostly gnome/GUI stuff on a server.)
[14:44] <oerheks> oke, then you are fine
[14:46] <ogra> flaf, the point is that this timer is an apt part, it runs a ton of other stuff to keep apt clean and working fine ... apt explicitly offers config options for managing the unattended-upgrades side
[14:50] <flaf> ogra said: “apt explicitly offers config options for managing the unattended-upgrades side” <= yes but not for managing the moment when unattended-upgrades is run, because it's set in the “timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer”. Do we agree? Or is this doc wrong => https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Modifying_download_and_upgrade_schedules_.28on_systemd.29 ?
[14:54] <ogra> flaf, i pointed you to the doc above ...
[14:55] <ogra> it has settings for scheduling unattended-upgrades ....
[15:08] <flaf> OK
[15:17] <mason> Hi all. A co-worker's looking for kernel source, and it appears that "apt source linux-source" is no longer the right way. Is there a write-up of how it's to be done nowadays?
[15:18] <ravage> mason: what is the error? do you have src packages enabled in your sources.list ?
[15:20] <mason> ravage: Yep, uncommented the correct deb-src and he can download the package with "apt source linux-source" but the result isn't the source I expected: https://bpa.st/5ZQRW
[15:20] <ravage> mason: apt search linux-source
[15:20] <oerheks> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/
[15:20] <ravage> then get the version you want instead of the virtual package
[15:21] <mason> Aha. Okay, this is different from Debian, and I was assuming it was the same.
[15:21] <oerheks> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[15:21] <mason> oerheks: Thank you - that's probably what we'll do, but nice having a clue in both directions. Thank you both.
[15:21] <ravage> oerheks: i think that will now work
[15:21] <oerheks> have fun!
[15:21] <ravage> the package name is linux-source-5.19.0 for example
[15:22] <ravage> oh linux-image?
[15:22] <ravage> does that actually get the source of the image? never tried that :)
[15:23] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[15:23] <ravage> Picking 'linux-signed-hwe-5.19' as source package instead of 'linux-image-5.19.0-35-generic'
[15:23] <ravage> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-signed-hwe-5.19
[15:23] <ravage> but yep
[15:23] <ravage> ok that looks nice really
[15:23] <ravage> i dont have source packages enabled atm
[15:24] <mason> I think for what we want, grabbing it from git might be the most straightforward. There's evidently some funny behaviour relating to igb, although I don't have enough numbers to ask about it in more detail just yet.
[15:25] <mason> Packet loss, random latency, appears in... maybe 5.15.x, goes away in newer kernels, but I don't have enough specifics to actually ask about it, unless there are well-known issues that just pop to folks' minds. :P
[15:26] <ravage> please file a bug if you find anything
[15:26] <mason> ravage: Sure. It appears to be fixed. What I'm told - and this is all second-hand - is "old kernel, packet loss - new kernel, works fine".
[15:26] <mason> But if it's an issue in an older still-shipped kernel, then yeah. I'll file one as soon as I learn more.
[15:26] <ravage> :)
[15:27] <hejazi> Hi All
[15:27] <hejazi> As you know, the time in Iran will not change from this year (mean daylight), but my Ubuntu 16.04 distros has applied the time changes.
[15:27] <hejazi> Is there a way to solve the problem?
[15:28] <ravage> hejazi: update to a supported release
[15:28] <ravage> 16.04 is EOL
[15:28] <mason> hejazi: you can manually choose an earlier version of the relevant package if that helps
[15:28] <ravage> !eolupgrade | hejazi
[15:29] <hejazi> I planned this upgrade but now I want to solving this problem
[15:29] <ravage> plan it now. your system security is at risk here
[15:30] <ravage> and we do not support EOL versions here at all
[15:30] <hejazi> Ok thanks
[15:31] <ogra> if you want to keep it and still want support, you can pay for ubuntu pro ... 16.04 still has 3y of paid support
[15:31] <ravage> still no support here
[15:32] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hello, how much does a 22.04 minimal server download upon setup (assuming no extra packages) ?
[15:33] <jhutchins> This is probably a google question, but how do I pipe either the output of a command or a file that lists packages to be acted on by apt? (apt purge < file)?
[15:33] <ravage> ForeverNoob[m]: it should be able to install without any internet connection really
[15:33] <mason> jhutchins: apt install $(cat file)
[15:34] <mason> jhutchins: maybe xargs if you want to pipe from a command without an intermediary file
[15:34] <mason> jhutchins: or if you want to be perverse, mkfifo and do the first form against that while your other process writes to it =cough=
[15:34] <jhutchins> No
[15:34] <mason> I want you to have all the options. :P
[15:37] <jhutchins> proably < file will work.
[15:37] <mason> jhutchins: Note that that will feed stdin, not command line arguments
[15:37] <mason> I don't think it'd actually work, but maybe I'd be wrong.
[15:39] <jhutchins> Nope.
[15:40] <jhutchins> Nothing works so far.
[15:40] <mason> jhutchins: apt install $(cat list-of-files)
[15:41] <jhutchins> Ah, there we are.
[15:45] <jhutchins> mason: Thank you.  "cat" is so often the wrong tool, but it worked.
[15:45] <mason> Re: the kernel source earlier, found a nice description of snagging various sources with git: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelGitGuide
[15:46] <mason> jhutchins: There's probably some equivalent bashism that'd do it too, but I emit no bash-specific syntax in any context.
[15:47] <ogra> good boy !
[15:47] <ogra> 🙂
[15:47] <mason> heh
[15:47] <ogra> POSIX FTW !
[15:48] <ForeverNoob[m]> ravage: Doesn't a minimal installation require a network though?
[15:49] <jhutchins> mason: Someone has suggested $(< file)
[15:49] <mason> jhutchins: Mentally attach "non-portable" to anything that person might recommend in future.
[15:50] <jhutchins> mason: I do not believe in portability.  It's a false promise.
[15:51] <ogra> it usually works for shell if you stick to POSIX
[15:52] <jhutchins> ogra: Given that I stick to Linux, even that doesn't apply.
[15:52] <jhutchins> (I guess that will confuse me on a mac, but I'm already lost there.)
[15:53] <ogra> i'm pretty sure MAC supports POSIX given its BSD inheritance
[15:53] <mason> ZSH lately
[15:53] <ogra> as /bin/sh ?
[15:54] <ogra> or as login shell
[15:54] <jhutchins> My solution is "ask somebody who knows macs".
[15:54] <ogra> lol
[15:55] <ogra> aaanyway ... we're quite offtopic here ...
[15:55]  * ogra points to #ubuntu-discuss for further conversation on that (off)topic
[16:44] <relipse> Hi, I got a .deb file (Synergy) beta, but how do I uninstall the last one? Every time I right click and open the new one it doesn't load
[16:47] <leftyfb> relipse: sudo dpkg -i <path/to/synergy.deb>
[16:47] <leftyfb> just install the new one, it will override the previous
[16:48] <matsaman> recursion: synergy? I think you want barrier probably
[16:48] <leftyfb> matsaman: synergy is just fine
[16:48] <matsaman> not if it's not in the repos, nope
[16:48] <matsaman> there's a reason barrier is in the repos and synergy not so much
[16:49] <leftyfb> matsaman: yes, synergy is a commercial, non-OSS product
[16:49] <matsaman> it's very unlikely anything a person would want from synergy is not offered by barrier
[16:52] <relipse> i don' get it, i tried barrier and synergy and the mouse is very lagged on my ubuntu box
[16:52] <matsaman> what's your setup?
[16:53] <matsaman> OSes, network, &c
[16:59] <relipse> Windows 11 Professional as server and Ubuntu 22.04 xorg as client on right side, both connected to ehternet wired
[17:00] <matsaman> same barrier version on each?
[17:00] <matsaman> server is probably better on Ubuntu, if it can be
[17:10] <relipse> yes tried both same barrier version and same synergy version same thing
[17:14] <leftyfb> relipse: cat /sys/class/net/$(ip route |awk '/default/ {print $5}')/speed
[17:14] <leftyfb> relipse: what does that give you?
[17:15] <relipse> cat: /sys/class/net/enxa0cec889d169: Is a directory
[17:15] <relipse> cat: wlp1s0/speed: No such file or directory
[17:15] <leftyfb> relipse: you have both wired and wireless on your ubuntu machine. You're probably using the ip of the wifi interface for synergy/barrier
[17:16] <leftyfb> relipse: sorry, both wired and wireless are active
[17:16] <leftyfb> I would recommend disabling wifi and then try
[17:18] <relipse>  cat /sys/class/net/$(ip route |awk '/default/ {print $5}')/speed
[17:18] <relipse> 1000
[17:20] <leftyfb> Ok, now reconnect synergy
[17:34] <jo-erlend> Is barrier a new thing or based on the original synergy from when it was open source?
[17:38] <leftyfb> jo-erlend: https://github.com/debauchee/barrier
[17:45] <jo-erlend> leftyfb, right. Then I think it's the one I've used before.
[18:07] <ForeverNoob[m]> If this command resulted in 0 bad blocks, should I assume the drive is fine? badblocks -sv -p 3 -b 4096 /dev/sda -o bbresult.txt
[18:14] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: It's OK if you have some bad blocks, what you want to watch for is if they start increasing.  You might look at the smartmontools package.
[18:14] <jhutchins> !info smartmontools
[18:24] <tomreyn> if badblocks finds any bad blocks this way, it means they were either previously unknown to the drive firmware or the drive has run out of reserved / replacement blocks. generally, i'd prefer a smart long self test (-t long) over badblocks tests (which only tests currently usable blocks), and can unneccessarily increase wear (and cause data loss with -w).
[18:25] <tomreyn> this said, smart tests aren't really reliable either, but at least provide soem indication.
[18:28] <matsaman> ForeverNoob[m]: you should assume the drive is fine until you have a reason to suspect it isn't
[18:41] <relipse> ok i switched the server to ubuntu 22.04 machine and it is much faster, the issue here is that is not the way I have my computers set up
[18:41] <relipse> for synergy
[18:55] <jhutchins> It seems like dmesg is where I've seen growing bad blocks reported.  I don't know if that's due to smartmontools or something else.
[18:55] <ForeverNoob[m]> matsaman: My FS was suddenly RO and when I rebooted it dropped me into initramfs after failing a fsck. I did a long SMART selftest and the above badblocks. Everything seems fine, but still. Should I throw away that SSD just to be sure?
[18:57] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: You should monitor it closely, test it daily if it's not reporting in dmesg, and if you see anything like increasing bad blocks order the replacement.
[18:57] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: I would suggest backups, but nobody ever listens to that.
[19:02] <SuperLag> Firefox seems pretty crucial to the Ubuntu install. I was getting an error about the snap, something about it not being connected? 🤔 I don't remember exactly. What I ended up doing was "sudo snap uninstall firefox" then "sudo snap install firefox". I'm wondering if the uninstall broke anything further because of how much it took with it, and if the install then fixed it all?
[19:05] <ForeverNoob[m]> jhutchins: To my defense I did have backups, but they were outdated :p
[19:11] <csexecutive> ForeverNoob[m], respectfully then oyu didnt have backups if they were untested and/or recent
[19:11] <ForeverNoob[m]> Fair point.
[19:12] <matsaman> ForeverNoob[m]: keep backups, replace hardware that is consistently problematic, that's it
[19:12] <matsaman> no smart required
[19:19] <ogra> SuperLag, typically snaps take daa snapshots and restore them whn you re-install ... unless you use the --purge argument for "remove", so it should still have the same data as before ... next time better note down what was not connected and ask here ... or simply use the "snap connect ..." command yourself 😉
[19:19] <ogra> s/daa/data
[19:33] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: If the drive hasn't failed outright you can certainly update your backups in case the drive is failing.
[19:33] <jhutchins> (If it's not, bonus: you get backups.)
[19:44] <steerpike> hi, on 22.04, where are all the dhcp lease files?
[19:45] <steerpike> /var/lib/dhcp/ is empty
[19:45] <oerheks> on server? https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man5/dhcpd.leases.5.html
[19:46] <steerpike> desktop
[19:46] <steerpike> found it in /var/lib/NetworkManager/dhclien-*.lease
[19:48] <oerheks> yes, without more details about time, as they are endless
[19:50] <Albright> Do packages not generally get point releases for the LTS releases? More specifically, can I expect a PHP 8.2 release for 22.04 LTS some day?
[19:51] <jo-erlend> Albright, in general, Ubuntu wants to change as little as possible during the lifetime of a release. PHP should remain at the original version forever.
[19:51] <jo-erlend> Albright, they still receive fixes, but they are backported to the original version. So no worries about security or things like that.
[19:53] <sarnold> Albright: some things like mysql and mariadb get updated in that style https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases  but it's pretty rare
[19:54] <Albright> jo-erlend: Okay, I was expecting that. Thanks. Fortunately we don't *need* 8.2 just yet but 8.1 will go EOL far before 22.04 does… guess we'll just consider upgrading the whole system to the next LTS when that time comes, if it's available
[19:54] <jo-erlend> Albright: Ubuntu will maintain 8.1 forever. Ten years. One of the huge advantages of using Ubuntu.
[19:55] <Albright> Ten years beyond PHP's EOL date?
[19:55] <jo-erlend> Albright: ten years from release of 22.04LTS, meaning until 2032.
[19:56] <Albright> So even beyond the EOL of 22.04? huh.
[19:56] <jo-erlend> Albright, yes.
[19:56] <sarnold> Albright: main gets five years of support for free; you can buy additional support beyond that, if you want https://ubuntu.com/pro
[19:56] <sarnold> Albright: there's also two free tiers for additional support
[19:57] <jo-erlend> Albright, you'll need Ubuntu Pro for the last five years, but it's free for three systems for non-commercial and very cheap for commercial use too.
[19:57] <ravage> Albright: for PHP updates there a well maintained PPA at https://deb.sury.org/ . but keep in mind we cant give support for that here. a bug tracker for that PPA exists
[19:58] <Albright> ravage: I'm aware of those packages but I'm a little leery of trusting third-party package sources no matter how popular they are
[19:58] <ravage> fair point
[19:58] <ravage> then see messages above
[19:58] <Albright> Maybe it's irrational, but…
[19:59] <sarnold> it's very rational :)
[19:59] <sarnold> ondrej seems like a nice guy but it's an additional risk
[19:59] <Albright> Yeah, I guess I'll just re-evaluate stuff with the client once PHP 8.1 goes EOL and see what we want to do then
[20:00] <jo-erlend> Albright; it's not irrational, because it's not just about trusting the developer to not do something wrong, but also about trusting them to not be hacked. Because PPA owners can send anything they want to your system to be run as root, so if they get hacked, you get hacked also. Limiting its use on important system is important.
[20:00] <Albright> Yeah, exactly.
[20:00] <jo-erlend> Albright, you should look at Ubuntu's history of dealing with this, which is extensive. PHP is an enormous important thing and to my knowledge, Ubuntu has never failed. Not once, not ever.
[20:01] <sarnold> jo-erlend: heh I love the enthusiasm but we do make mistakes :)
[20:02] <jo-erlend> sarnold, sure. I don't remember any big issues ever having occurred with PHP though. It's not a guarantee it never will. :)
[20:03] <SuperLag> ogra: doh
[20:03] <SuperLag> didn't know about "snap connect"
[20:03] <SuperLag> I'll still have to look up syntax for it
[20:15] <ForeverNoob[m]> jhutchins: Oh absolutely. You can bet I'm making some extra backups now :p
[20:20] <ronoc> hola
[20:21] <sarnold> hi ronoc
[20:51] <chonkin> Hey I have returned.
[20:52] <matsaman> hey
[20:55] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Excellent.  They've saved me more than once.  (Experience is proportionate to data destroyed.  I have a lot.)
[20:59] <relipse> leftyfb: did you see my post
[21:00] <relipse> i switched the server to ubuntu 22.04 and it started working great, but the problem is I don't have my computers set up that way
[21:00] <leftyfb> relipse: ok, so the problem is with Windows. Good luck
[21:01] <leftyfb> relipse: maybe start by checking the interface you are using on Windows and it's speed
[21:07] <prabhakarlad> Hi all, I am trying to build ubuntu 22.04 for arm64. With every article i find I am getting build issues some seem to be outdated. could anyone point me to build info for arm64 if any.
[21:07] <sarnold> prabhakarlad: why are you rebuilding it?
[21:09] <prabhakarlad> sarnold: I want to make a platform ARM system ready.
[21:09] <sarnold> prabhakarlad: what does that mean?
[21:09] <prabhakarlad> https://www.arm.com/architecture/system-architectures/systemready-certification-program
[21:09] <leftyfb> prabhakarlad: https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[21:10] <matsaman> ^
[21:11] <prabhakarlad> leftyfb: I need to enable couple of drivers so need to rebuild the image.
[21:12] <matsaman> prabhakarlad: and what's stopping you?
[21:12] <sarnold> this is clearly pretty old but it's not a bad starting point https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[21:12] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1346275/how-to-make-ubuntu-install-iso-file-for-arm64-machine-on-x86-64-machine
[21:12] <sarnold> building ubuntu kernel packages isn't *easy* but at least it's way more approachable than "I want to rebuild ubuntu"
[21:13] <oerheks> = aarch64
[21:15] <oerheks> !info crossbuild-essential-arm64
[21:15] <prabhakarlad> matsaman: I get error while compiling. let me post the error
[21:26] <jo-erlend> I wonder if Error is getting tired of being notified. :)
[21:27] <jo-erlend> Error; by the way, I happen to know the joke you're referring to in your realname. :)
[21:29] <prabhakarlad> sarnold: matsaman: I have pasted the error log here https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e5812fbe/
[21:29] <chonkin> who wants to do Ubuntu booting stuff?
[21:29] <chonkin> troubleshooting.  matsaman ?
[21:32] <jhutchins> chonkin: The way this works is that you give a through but susinct summary of the problem and see who responds.
[21:32] <sarnold> prabhakarlad: two things jump out .. '-aarm64' feels weird, I've never seen aarm64 before. i've seen aarch64 and I've seen arm64. also, ending the CROSS_COMPILE with a - feels odd. I can't say that's wrong, but it feels weird.
[21:37] <superdisk> Hi. I'm trying make a small tweak to a kernel module that ship with Ubuntu (gspca_sunplus). I got the kernel sources with `apt-get source linux`, then the headesr with `apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)`, then ran oldconfig and all that stuff, then finally `make -C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build M=$(pwd) modules` but I'm getting: "fatal error: gspca.h: No such file or directory" and it does seem that `find /usr/src -name
[21:37] <superdisk> 'gspca.h' -print` shows nothing. So is the header missing or something?
[21:37] <prabhakarlad> sarnold: -a option here is --host-arch for dpkg-architecture so it will pick up arm64
[21:39] <chonkin> My Ubuntu freezes on boot.   20.04.5LTS ,  kernel=5.15.0-67-generic , gnome=3.36.8  ,   VGA = NVIDIA Corporation GM204GL [Quadro M4000] (rev a1)  .   I can enter gnome desktop (w/network)  using GRUB+edit+nomodeset
[21:43] <oerheks> chonkin, you have 20.04.6, just a detail
[21:48] <Didact>  ok, so like 5 years ago I installed a SSD in my PC on sata 3 and switched it to boot from it, but left in my old HD, apparently because if I turn off sata0 the computer won't boot.  Thoughts?
[21:50] <chonkin> oerheks , since you brought that up.  uname -a  shows  #74-20.01.1-Ubuntu .  But Gnome settings shows  OS Name= Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS
[21:50] <oerheks> chonkin, any held back packages when you update from comandline?
[21:50] <oerheks> Didact, maybe one is old MBR, and your SSD is UEFI?
[21:51] <oerheks> or your old hdd has no bootsector, too little info
[21:54] <Didact> well, it seems to be a bios thing... cuz the BIOS says can't boot if I go into the BIOS and turn of SATA0
[21:54] <Didact> hope that helps
[21:54] <Didact> off
[21:54] <oerheks> why would you turn of sata?
[21:54] <Didact> sata0... that hard disk
[21:54] <oerheks> and how is this an ubuntu issue?
[21:55] <Didact> I'm booting into ubuntu
[21:55] <oerheks> than do not turn off sata0?
[21:56] <Didact> well, I want to replace it w/ a 4 tb from my old machine
[21:56] <Didact> and I want to make sure everything will work when I do that...
[21:57] <Didact> if I move the drive from sata 3 to sata 0 it will screw up the boot right?
[21:57] <Didact> the SSD boot
[21:57] <Didact> it will become sda1, right?
[21:57] <oerheks> no, set the bootdrive right
[21:57] <oerheks> * in your bios
[21:57] <Didact> so move the boot drive to sata0 ?
[21:58] <Didact> I have the boot drive to sata 3 in the bios
[21:58] <Didact> that's whats weird
[22:01] <e25> If I wanted to follow debian simplebackport to backport from sid to jammy, is that bad idea?  Or should be safe?  If safe, how do I add the key so the deb-src blahblah sid blahblah line works?
[22:02] <jhutchins> e25: What are you backporting and why?
[22:02] <oerheks> e25 mixing packages from debian could well be a bad idea, not supported here
[22:02] <e25> jhutchins: srain, for fun
[22:02] <e25> since jammy has kinda old version and there's no flatpak
[22:02] <jhutchins> e25: Um, sid is Debian, isn't it?
[22:03] <e25> yeah I was thinking if I built it on jammy from debian source is that still evil?  I guess it is eh?
[22:03] <jhutchins> e25: Debian != Ubuntu.
[22:03] <e25> No shit?
[22:03] <e25> That's why I'm asking, so you're thinking it's a bad idea?
[22:04] <jhutchins> e25: You're possibly better off going to the upstream git source.  You might want to look at the patches Debian applies and choose those carefully.
[22:04] <e25> Can I do the same thing from ubuntu-devel?  That what my nex tthought, but it was debian's wiki I found and havent found it about ubuntu
[22:04] <jhutchins> e25: I would expect that building it from Devel would be a lot safer.
[22:04] <e25> I'm not expert at building stuff so following simple backport procedure, that creates an actual package, seemed better than me than random sudo make install that i cant really be sure to undo
[22:05] <oerheks> if you use sudo make install, it builds an uninstall script too..
[22:05] <jhutchins> e25: Some of the stuff is 1:1 between the two distros, but some is pretty radically different.  At best it might not work, at worst it might screw other things up.
[22:05] <Didact> ok, bbl, need to test some stuff on the linux box which is my gateway to here
[22:05] <e25> oerhawk: doesnt that depend on the author?  and even so, it may or may not overwrite regular ubuntu stuff
[22:05] <e25> and if it does, and it removes it stuff, it may or may n ot restore ubuntu stuff
[22:06] <e25> i feel safer installing with package manager
[22:06] <chonkin> oerheks  this occurred with upgrade  http://paste.debian.net/1274952
[22:08] <oerheks> chonkin, sudo apt dist-upgrade will install the lot of them, some can be held back, due to phased updates
[22:08] <oerheks> !phased
[22:09] <oerheks> one can install them manually, ofcourse
[22:09] <chonkin> But I'm not on 21.04 or later.  I'm earlier
[22:09] <oerheks> oh oke
[22:10] <oerheks> after dist-upgrade, run sudo apt install libnvidia-cfg1-525 libnvidia-compute-525 etc etc
[22:12] <jhutchins> oerheks: No meta-package?
[22:13] <oerheks> if he builds it the ubuntu way, he' ll be safe
[22:13] <Didact> hmmm, might have been user error
[22:14] <Didact> oerheks: ty for the help
[22:16] <oerheks> have fun!
[22:18] <chonkin> oerheks wait a min.  The command to enter is literally "etc etc"?
[22:20] <oerheks> no, etc etc, complete that whole list
[22:21] <oerheks> libnvidia-cfg1-525 libnvidia-compute-525 libnvidia-compute-525:i386 libnvidia-decode-525 libnvidia-decode-525:i386 libnvidia-encode-525 libnvidia-encode-525:i386 libnvidia-extra-525 libnvidia-fbc1-525 libnvidia-fbc1-525:i386 libnvidia-gl-525 libnvidia-gl-525:i386 linux-modules-nvidia-525-generic-hwe-20.04 nvidia-compute-utils-525 nvidia-driver-525 nvidia-kernel-common-525 nvidia-kernel-source-525 nvidia-utils-525 python3-software-properties
[22:21] <oerheks> software-properties-common software-properties-gtk xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-525
[22:21] <oerheks> too long to paste, sorry
[22:32] <chonkin> oerheks:  roger. I asked because there is an /etc/
[22:33] <Didact> so, will ubuntu read my NTFS formatted disk ?
[22:55] <Hack5190> I'm getting the error "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.28' not found" - ldd --version is returning "GLIBC 2.23".  how would I update it?
[22:57] <Hack5190> VERSION="16.04.7 LTS (Xenial Xerus)"
[22:57] <ravage> your system is EOL
[22:58] <ravage> !eolupgrade | Hack5190
[22:58] <Hack5190> im aware of that :)
[22:58] <ravage> upgrade/reinstall and come back with a supported version of Ubuntu if you still have problems
[22:59] <Hack5190> was hoping there would be a way to upgrade this one item..
[23:05] <oerheks> Hack5190,  sure, distro upgrade, lolz
[23:06] <Hack5190> :p
[23:06] <oerheks> 16.04 + ESM would give 2.48
[23:07] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/glib
[23:10] <Didact> ok, so I got my 3tb drive shared via samba, can I just put my 4tb as a mount point under the 3tb or will it have to be a seperate share?
[23:30] <e25> I just tried nheko (matrix client) and it seems to be missing a dependency or something.  Any suggestion what I should install?  https://i.imgur.com/vE5bkc3.png
[23:31] <e25> (This is on ubuntu-server based system so no desktop package installed this, although I have since installed x&e)
[23:32] <e25> i guess just install gnome-keyring?
[23:32] <e25> should be a dependency imo
[23:33] <tomreyn> how did you install this software, how is it packaged?
[23:34] <leftyfb> e25: nheko from the ubuntu repo's installs 119 packages, mainly as part of the GUI desktop so it runs, which is your issue
[23:34] <leftyfb> it's a Qt-based app
[23:35] <e25> I installed with `sudo apt install nheko`
[23:36] <e25> It is packaged in traditional deb package in jammy repo.
[23:36] <e25> leftyb: but gnome-keyring isnt one of them
[23:37] <tomreyn> in *universe*, notably. the jammy version depends on libqt5keychain1 (>= 0.7.0) - Qt API to store passwords (QT5 version)
[23:38] <tomreyn> so you may just miss dbus and kwallet, but i'm not sure about that really
[23:39] <tomreyn> it's clearly a GUI application and not mean to be used on a server
[23:40] <oerheks> neko was long time a dead project https://github.com/Nheko-Reborn/nheko#build-requirements
[23:43] <Hack5190> Upgraded to 18.04.6 - is that supported?
[23:43] <ravage> until next month
[23:44] <leftyfb> Hack5190: upgrade to 22.04
[23:44] <Hack5190> OK - so I'm still getting the error "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.28' not found" - ldd --version is returning "GLIBC 2.23".  how would I update it?
[23:44] <ravage> continue your upgrades
[23:44] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[23:44] <leftyfb> Hack5190: time for a new install
[23:45] <Hack5190> ill pass
[23:45] <ravage> have a nice day then
[23:45] <Hack5190> thanks, same to you
[23:45] <leftyfb> Hack5190: if you're having issues with GLIBC, you've gone beyond the point of diminishing returns
[23:46] <leftyfb> Hack5190: at this point, it is exponentially quicker to install from scratch and restore from backup. It's also cleaner and easier
[23:50] <tomreyn> "apt list --installed libc6" on 18.04 LTS would report 2.27-3 on a fully updated 18.04 LTS
[23:51] <tomreyn> that's not 2.23, which you would not see on a non-broken 18.04 LTS installation.
[23:51] <tomreyn> it is still lower than 2.28, which the incompatible software you are trying to run depends on.
[23:53] <oerheks> he first says 16.04 .. that seems more correct
[23:55] <chonkin> oerheks  okay.  Everything is booting again on this machine.  Your advice did some kind of magic
[23:56] <tomreyn> !cookiebox | oerheks
[23:56] <oerheks> !yay
[23:56] <sarnold> oh dang he gets a whole *box* of cookies??
[23:56] <chonkin> >_>
[23:57] <tomreyn> well, he made that system boot again!


[10:16] <Fudge> hi is there a release schedule for thunderbird/firefox that ubuntu is following?
[10:16] <Fudge> trying to find otu if firefox or thunderbird will get a new version in the next week
[19:13] <TeamRocket1233c> Nightly isn't updating and I know why: the repos hit red, any time you can expect that to be fixed?
[19:16] <TeamRocket1233c> And what exactly is going on with the Nightly repo?
[19:17] <TeamRocket1233c> Besides them going red, I mean what caused that?


[00:01] <ripps> pwnguin: how do I do that withing the installer?
[00:03] <burner> manual partitioning and don't format the partition you designate with the mount point /home
[00:24] <burner> cd /home/burner/Upload
[00:25] <burner> interesting... seems dolphin spams the channel when I use the terminal part of it and switch folders ;)
[00:48] <SiDi> anyone under xubuntu jaunty here ?
[01:00] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:01] <charlie-tca> I'm using 64-bit jaunty since alpha2
[01:11] <SiDi> What the hell happened to the menu ? Oo
[01:11] <SiDi> i gotta launch xfce-setting-show manually and cant find the menu editor
[01:12] <Ienorand> Equality, make a stand!!: echo "alias woman='man' >> ~/.bashrc
[01:13] <SiDi> i never read any womanual of my life, Ienorand :)
[01:14] <durt> RTFW?
[01:15] <SiDi> :)
[01:15] <Ienorand> :D
[01:16] <SiDi> Any idea how i can get the breathe icons ?
[01:16] <SiDi> i want a tarball with all the files :( don't know how to use that bzr thingy
[01:16] <SiDi> w/e, dl'ing bzr :)
[01:22] <charlie-tca> SiDi: you mean Applications menu went away?
[01:22] <charlie-tca> That was about Jaunty alpha4 release.
[01:22] <SiDi> Well, the "Xfce parameters" window in the menu
[01:22] <SiDi> its gone
[01:23] <SiDi> and i don't see the menu editor anywhere
[01:23] <SiDi> currently updating my packages tho
[01:23] <charlie-tca> You have to look through all the selections. In 4.6, everything got changed
[01:24] <SiDi> i don't see those new notification things tho
[01:24] <SiDi> but the os boots slightly faster :)
[01:25] <charlie-tca> You can always go to #xfce and ask them. They will know
[01:26] <charlie-tca> Or give xubuntu a day or two and see if it gets in there. Some of the items are still in work
[01:26] <SiDi> yeh i'll just wait
[01:26] <SiDi> anyways just having a look
[01:27] <SiDi> omg update failed :( 260 mb to download again
[01:27] <charlie-tca> ouch
[01:27] <SiDi> the last alpha i tested was more stable :p
[01:27] <SiDi> my xfce panels crashed too
[01:27] <SiDi> and i cant use shortcuts to launch a terminal :p
[01:27] <SiDi> brb ;D
[01:28] <SiDi> oh noes... they removed ctrl + alt + backspace
[01:32] <charlie-tca> alt+f2?
[01:32] <SiDi> back
[01:32] <SiDi> rebooted via shell + gdm restart
[01:33] <SiDi> alt+F2 wouldnt answer either :p
[01:33] <SiDi> and when i logged back half of my conf was dead :)
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Looks like your install is very unstable. What happened to it?
[01:34] <SiDi> dunno
[01:34] <SiDi> just did it an hour ago
[01:34] <SiDi> it ran well
[01:34] <SiDi> the alpha3 was getting my motherboard uber crazy tho so there is a progress
[01:34] <SiDi> (intrepid is perfectly stable - everything works out of the box !)
[01:34] <charlie-tca> Yeah, alpha3 was unstable.
[01:35] <SiDi> alpha3 scared me
[01:35] <SiDi> the motherboard was bipping till i shut the system down, continuously
[01:35] <charlie-tca> of course, I have lost the panels and menus once or twice. and had to update through the tty a couple of times, too
[01:35] <SiDi> well i knew what to expect :)
[01:36] <SiDi> but its not stable enough for university work (and diablo 2 lans) yet :P
[01:36] <charlie-tca> You think alpha3 scared you? you should have been here, with an installation that kept closing the windows I was working in
[01:37] <SiDi> well when its hardware related, its scary yeh
[01:37] <SiDi> rebooting, brb :)
[01:43] <SiDi> back :)
[01:52] <SiDi> Going bed, good night charlie-tca
[01:59] <legodude> the virtualbox kernel rebuild fails, any ideas?
[03:03] <jpedroza1> I just ran into a new issue with +1 and my laptop. I was at 91% battery and it said that there was no battery remaining and shut down.
[03:04] <maco> haha
[03:18] <hanasaki> what is th command that shows all th hardwar ?
[03:23] <Volkodav> dmesg
[03:38] <maco> Volkodav: dmesg?
[03:39] <maco> i think they were looking for lshw
[03:39] <Volkodav> maybe
[03:42] <TuTUXG> anyone got songbird working on 64 bit??
[03:50] <DanaG> Anyone happen to know if the radeon driver with the 2.6.29 kernel supports KMS?
[03:50] <DanaG> I know Jaunty won't have 2.6.29, but I can always compile my own.
[03:52] <RAOF> I _think_ the answer is 'yes', but you can always just build the modules from drm master, anyway.
[03:54] <Amaranth> no
[03:54] <Amaranth> last i heard only intwl got merged because the radeon one uses ttm
[03:54] <Amaranth> intel*
[04:12] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  That's right.
[04:14] <DanaG> Ah.
[04:14] <DanaG> I'm wondering when radeon will get it, then.
[04:14] <ripps> I'm going to upgrade to Jaunty now. Anything I should know before I do it?
[04:14] <DanaG> (it's more of a curiosity than a "want it to come sooner" thing).
[04:18] <RAOF> I've heard .30 or .31 bandied about.
[04:18] <DanaG> Can't say I know what the current version is, actually.
[04:19] <DanaG> Timespan would be more helpful. =þ  Thanks.
[04:27] <ripps> Is EXA more stable with Xserver 1.6?
[04:30] <DanaG> Lovely quit message there.
[04:34] <RAOF> ripps: Has it been unstable?  It's (generally) a bit faster with 1.6, yes.
[04:34] <ripps> I tend to get freezing with my radeon driver with exa
[04:34] <ripps> RAOF: *
[04:34] <RAOF> ripps: But I think that pretty much all EXA crashes are the driver's fault (I've not had any problems with nouveau, for example), and so the Xserver version doesn't have much to do with it.
[04:35] <ripps> So, things shouldn't change much :/
[04:35] <RAOF> Pretty much.
[04:36] <RAOF> At least you don't have an Intel card :(
[04:36]  * DanaG has RV635.
[04:37] <ripps> I'm thinking of getting an nvidia card, but my system is so old that I just need to upgrade the whole thing. (Unfortunately, I don't have any money to do so)
[04:37] <DanaG> Try looking at OEM systems.
[04:37] <DanaG> Well, at least for me, if I had to go desktop again, I'd get an OEM one, rather than building my own.
[04:37] <DanaG> Going OEM gets you one big thing: warranty all from one place.
[04:39] <ripps> Still doesn't solve the lack of money issue :(
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I hope the radeon driver gets better power management.
[06:18] <DanaG> That's actually a bigger deal to me than the lack of 3D support.
[06:18] <DanaG> ... because drawing 30 watts on battery is Not Cool.
[06:31] <DanaG> heh, no matter how many times I try changing my theme, I always come back to my orange Nodoka-based theme.
[06:32] <DanaG> ... sometimes with slight tweaking of that orange color.
[07:14] <Tekno> hello
[07:47] <scizzo-> moin
[08:12] <bullgard4> Does Jaunty presently show a GNOME menu item System > Control Center?
[08:18] <andersk> bullgard4: no, not for me.
[08:19] <bullgard4> andersk: Thank you for your information.
[09:33] <nite_johnboy> much new on the home front ? will there be support for ati- hdmi video support??
[09:58] <Q-FUNK> howdy!
[10:07] <Q-FUNK> whenever I click on the calendar applet, the whole gnome panel goes into freeze and the applet cannot be closed.  is there any known workaround?
[10:09] <RAOF_> Q-FUNK: 'killall gnome-panel'
[10:09] <Q-FUNK> RAOF_: how would I issue the command, without a terminal open?
[10:09] <RAOF_> By using gnome-do, of course!
[10:10] <Q-FUNK> ?!
[10:10] <RAOF_> Alternatively, from a VT.
[10:10] <Q-FUNK> you mean Alt-F2 ?
[10:10] <RAOF_> Ctrl+Alt-F1; log in, killall gnome-panel
[10:10] <RAOF_> No, I mean gnome-do.  Check it out :)
[10:11] <Q-FUNK> it did something nasty to gtk2
[10:11] <Q-FUNK> now, all apps have blank window conetnet
[10:13] <RAOF_> All white?  Using nvidia, and compiz?
[10:13] <RAOF_> All _new_ windows actually have contents? :)
[10:14] <Q-FUNK> using intel and compiz
[10:14] <Q-FUNK> yes, white
[10:14] <Q-FUNK> it came back after switchign back and forth between vcons and X
[10:17] <Q-FUNK> is the issue with the time/date/calendar issue already known?
[10:47] <ripps> hHheEelLlpPp!!!   mMmyYy   kKkeEeyYybBboOoaARaRdDRd   iIisSs   bBbrRroOokKkeEenNn
[10:48] <ripps> iIimMm   nNOnOotTt   dDdoOoiIinNngGg   tThHiIthisSs
[10:49] <fde> ripps: what did you do before this started happening?
[10:49] <ripps> jJjuUusStTst   uUupPpgGgrRraAadDdeEedDd
[10:50] <cwillu> missed one
[10:50] <fde> ripps: perhaps try looking in System > Preferences > Keyboard if you're using Gnome, and see if anything looks strange?
[10:50] <cwillu> sStTst should be sSstTt
[10:51] <fde> ripps: I am fully upgraded, and see nothing like that.
[10:51] <fde> cwillu: shouldn't assume he's making it up... I've seen similar things before
[10:51] <ripps> eEevVveEerRryYytThHthiIinNngGg   nNnoOorRrmMmaAalLl   iIinNn   >>>kKkeEeyYybBObOoaAarRrdDd
[10:51] <SiDi> ripps, indeed
[10:52] <fde> ripps: does it still happen if you hit ctrl + alt + f1 and type on a regular terminal?
[10:52] <ripps> cCcoOonNnsSsoOolLleEe   nNnoOotTt   eEefFffFfeEecCctTteEedDd
[10:53] <SiDi> ripps, then "sudo apt-get install irssi", and then "irssi", then "/server irc.freenode.net" then "/join #ubuntu"
[10:53] <fde> ripps: all X apps are though?
[10:54] <fde> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-kbd or xserver-xorg-input-evdev might fix it after a restart of X?
[10:55] <fde> (not sure if Ubuntu is still using -input-kbd?)
[10:58] <SiDi> i think he was fooling us :/
[10:58] <ripps> I FIXED IT!
[10:59] <ripps> I had a "AllowEmptyInput" "True" in my xorg.conf
[11:00] <fde> Oh, speaking of, what is that new GUI tool for configuring options of Xorg?
[11:05] <cwillu> gnome-display-properties?
[11:06] <fde> No... its something like XorgConfigEditor-gtk ... it might not be in the repos yet though, idk
[11:25] <cwillu> not displayconfig-gtk either presumably
[11:26] <crdlb> xorg-options-editor-gtk
[12:08] <fde> crdlb: yeah that
[12:13] <maxb> Anyone else getting spurious conffile prompting re checkbox?
[12:21] <hggdh> maxb, yay
[12:26] <fde> maxb: it asked two questions, yes... just hit 'y' and enter...
[12:26] <maxb> My point being that it should not have asked
[12:26] <fde> maxb: something in the configs changed, but unless you manually edited something, always hit y
[12:26] <fde> maxb: why not? you'd rather it replace your customizations?
[12:26] <maxb> fde: I do understand the concept of conffiles quite thoroughly
[12:27] <maxb> I'm pointing out that I believe there's a bug in the package maintainer scripts causes false prompting
[12:27]  * fde would by thoroughly annoyed if apt went around randomly removing his conffile edits
[12:27] <fde> maxb: no
[12:28] <maxb> fde would also be thoroughly annoyed if apt prompted him every time a conffile he had not edited, changed
[12:28] <fde> maxb: remove ucf then?
[12:29] <fde> (or maybe there is a way to set it to always override if the file hasn't changed? I haven't delved into it)
[12:29] <cwillu> but why is it asking if the file hasn't changed?
[12:30] <fde> It definitely has changed... but its due to a change in the packages default rather than user configuration...
[12:31] <fde> I guess its mostly to say "do you like the old way, or would you like this new way?"
[12:31] <cwillu> I meant the original file
[12:31] <fde> The file changed between the two package versions
[12:32] <cwillu> the installed /etc file hasn't been modified by the user, so installing the next config file without complaints would seem to be appropriate, at least to me
[12:32] <hggdh> maxb, I agree. The checkbox config I had was the one installed originally by the package. I did not change it in any way, and I still got asked for
[12:33] <cwillu> I really don't need to be informed about how the line breaking in some explanatory comments in a config file has been updated, thanks
[13:02] <idorock89> ppl who r using jaunty can anyone pls tell whether the buggy archive mounter has been fixed? in intrepid if i mount isos using it then the files all have a ;1 after their names and this renders
[13:03] <idorock89> them completely useless . pls anyone on the latest release can confirm what is the situation in jaunty? as this is a really annoying bug
[13:03] <idorock89> and makes iso usage really very painful
[13:06] <cwillu> wow, it's a good thing I didn't just spend time trying to duplicate his problem
[13:35] <maxb> I was rather surprised at lunch today to discover our canteen has started stocking "Ubuntu Cola"
[13:36] <TuTUXG> lol
[13:36] <TuTUXG> where r u?
[13:36] <maxb> London
[13:38] <TuTUXG> free?
[13:40] <maxb> Well, as in Fairtrade
[14:18] <fde> cwillu: well, if you did, you could at least file bugs
[14:19] <cwillu> fde, wasn't able to dupe it on my intrepid box, and I'm not in front of my jaunty machine right now
[14:19] <cwillu> more specifically, I get nautilus crashes on intrepid, which is probably due to some other muckery I did on gvfs
[14:20] <cwillu> I do recall something about that though, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a bug filed already
[14:42] <jpedroza> Is there any way to install nvidia-glx-180 and nvidia-glx-180-dev without removing the entire xorg server?
[14:44] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon everyone
[14:44] <BUGabundo> is hibernate broken again?
[14:44] <maxb> jpedroza: This should not be a problem if you are using current jaunty
[14:44] <BUGabundo>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  > Gostava de falar contigo sobre os Hands-on, quando é que podes?
[14:45] <BUGabundo> Feb 17 01:18:07 blubug kernel: [15077.963758] s2disk[16798]: segfault at 0 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 sp 00007fff2ae66fd8 error 14 in s2disk[400000+8000]
[14:45] <jpedroza> maxb: What should I be looking for in my apt repositories, because when I try and add nvidia it wants to remove my xorg.
[14:45] <jpedroza> !pastebin
[14:45] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/119227/
[14:46] <BUGabundo> where is the rest
[14:46] <BUGabundo> jpedroza: that's is now fix
[14:46] <BUGabundo> for a long time
[14:46] <BUGabundo> bah maxb ^^
[14:47] <maxb> jpedroza: Be sure you've updated and upgraded to latest of what you've got installed already (using a mirror you're sure is up to date), and then try again to install nvidia
[14:49] <jpedroza> maxb: I have run apt-get update and upgrade many times, without luck. My apt sources.list is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/119228/
[14:49] <jpedroza> maxb: All coming from us.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:50] <maxb> jpedroza: you appear to be using intrepid
[14:50] <BUGabundo> jpedroza: run update-manager -d
[14:50] <jpedroza> maxb: see line 56 jaunty main universe
[14:50] <BUGabundo> jpedroza: don't mix branchs
[14:51] <maxb> jpedroza: Mixing distributions is NOT SUPPORTED (capitals intentional)
[14:51] <BUGabundo> it can and will lead to disaster
[14:51] <maxb> Also, nvidia 180 is available in intrepid-backports
[14:51] <BUGabundo> I once forgot a line while distupgrading
[14:51] <maxb> or intrepid-updates
[14:51] <BUGabundo> and in a few weeks most of my apt cache was wacked
[14:51] <jpedroza> maxb: update-namager command not found. I am under kubuntu.
[14:51] <maxb> intrepid-something, anyway
[14:51] <jpedroza> adept?
[14:51] <maxb> ewww
[14:51] <BUGabundo> jpedroza: run update-manager -d
[14:51] <maxb> and you have hardy-backports as well
[14:52] <BUGabundo> it should be cross WM
[14:52] <maxb> jpedroza: Do *nothing* until you've made your sources.list sane
[14:52] <BUGabundo> or do-release-upgrade
[14:52] <jpedroza> maxb: So what do I need to remove?
[14:52] <BUGabundo> maxb: UM will upgrade his repos
[14:52] <BUGabundo> if not, then it's a bug on UM
[14:53] <maxb> BUGabundo: well, yeah, but I'm not convinced he ought to be on jaunty! :-)
[14:53] <jpedroza> BUGabundo: update-manager: command not found
[14:53] <BUGabundo> ahh ok maxb
[14:53] <BUGabundo> I was under the idea jpedroza wanted to be on jaunty
[14:54] <jpedroza> maxb: If my apt sources are fragged, it is because of the update process to Jaunty. I performed the dist upgrade as outlined at kubuntu.org
[14:54] <maxb> erm, really? Well, yes, they're pretty nonsensical
[14:55] <jpedroza> maxb: I had assumed that it would remove the old repos, like a good upgrade...
[14:55] <maxb> update-manager does
[14:55] <maxb> Don't know about kubuntu
[14:59] <X-722> jaunty stable enough to use for a main desktop machine?
[15:00] <Tekno> no
[15:00] <X-722> thanks
[15:00] <BUGabundo> duh
[15:00] <Tekno> it's truth
[15:00] <BUGabundo> someone who asks that and then leaves SHOULD NOT be usign it anyway
[15:03] <savvas> Don't be so absolute :) I believe that sometimes, whining results in massive hysteria and usually in bug fixing :P
[15:03] <savvas> I mean the whining of such people
[15:08]  * fde thinks the topic of this channel should be "if you have to ask, don't install development software" ... nothing more, nothing less...
[15:08]  * BUGabundo nods and agrees with fde
[15:09] <BUGabundo> still we should mention that stable versions get their help on #ubuntu
[15:09] <fde> "If you have to ask, go back to #ubuntu" ?  :P
[15:10] <savvas> that sort of insults the interest of new users
[15:10] <BUGabundo> eheheheheheheh
[15:10] <fde> (that's what I was going to say first anyways, but it looked kinda rude)
[15:10] <jpedroza> yes, because heaven forbid anyone should want to learn more than they know about pre-repease FOSS software and operating systems.
[15:10] <BUGabundo> savvas: if they are so unsure, they should only test betas
[15:10] <BUGabundo> I know the more the merrier
[15:10] <BUGabundo> but then we get
[15:11] <fde> savvas: Not entirely sure that's a bad thing... obviously if they are that interested, they ought to know what this channel is about.
[15:11] <savvas> well, I wouldn't suggest to test it as a main desktop operating system, but perhaps as a virtual machine
[15:11] <BUGabundo> users complaining it empty their drive, when they choose the wrong option
[15:11] <BUGabundo> savvas: if user is going to run VM, then they don't ask this
[15:13] <savvas> true, but "If you have to ask..." means "If you have to ask any questions regarding anything" :)
[15:13] <savvas> ah, I won't debate about it, everyone has their own opinion
[15:13] <BUGabundo> sure
[15:14] <BUGabundo> I'll help any new or previous users anyway
[15:14] <BUGabundo> spent yesterday afternoon debuging an laptop
[15:14] <BUGabundo> and it seems it will take today too
[15:14] <fde> savvas: well, pretty much, if its not related to confirming bugs and the like, why is it even in here? this isn't really about user support.
[15:16] <savvas> I can't disagree to that
[15:39] <BUGabundo> is there a channel for wubi?
[16:13] <dyf> hello
[16:15] <BUGabundo> ola dyf
[16:16] <dyf> hi BUGabundo
[16:16] <dyf> after the latest update, my computer went too slow
[16:16] <dyf> i'm running fluxbox
[16:17] <dyf> everything takes forever to respond
[16:18] <dyf> i also reported this bug and someone replied to it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/324443
[16:18] <dyf> i don't know what the "nv" driver is or where to get it
[16:22] <BUGabundo> dyf: simply disable proprietary driver from nvidia
[16:23] <BUGabundo> not sure if flubox has something like hardward drivers on System meny
[16:23] <BUGabundo> *menu
[16:24] <dyf> it doesn't but i can get it
[16:24] <BUGabundo> do it
[16:25] <BUGabundo> or just run dpgk --reconfigure -phigh xorg.xserve
[16:26] <dyf> i have a few updates downloading.. i'll do it once they're done
[16:26] <dyf> few updates = 86 package updates
[16:26] <dyf> they release dozens every single day
[16:27]  * maxb raises an eyebrow at the i386 build queue
[16:27] <maxb> 617 builds waiting in queue
[16:27] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[16:27] <maxb> "impressive"
[16:29] <fde> BUGabundo: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ...
[16:29] <dyf> is that the same as disabling it from the restricted drivers manager?
[16:29] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:29] <BUGabundo> what ever
[16:29] <BUGabundo> typing from head
[16:29] <BUGabundo> I just use the reconvery console option XFIX
[16:29] <BUGabundo> yes dyf
[16:30] <dyf> ok cool
[16:30] <fde> BUGabundo: you make is sound like I wasn't going from memory?  :P
[16:30] <fde> I still haven't bothered to use the recovery tool... cuz the only thing I'd need it for it can't do - restoring sudo screwups
[16:31] <BUGabundo> dunno.... were you ?
[16:31] <fde> yes
[16:36] <Adys> i set Alt+F1 to run a terminal in keyboard shortcuts.. was working well until some update a couple of days ago, and now it constantly just opens the gnome-panel application meny
[16:36] <Adys> menu even
[16:36] <Adys> tried setting it again, anything.. not working, any idea?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> Adys: can you check the shortcuts?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> are you using compiz or metacity?
[16:39] <Adys> both
[16:39] <Adys> doesnt work on either
[16:40] <Adys> compiz atm though, and yeah i checked the shortcuts
[16:40] <BUGabundo> 'cause compiz has it own set of shortcuts
[16:40] <Adys> yeah but Ive always opened a terminal with alt-f1 even with compiz
[16:41] <BUGabundo> on gnome alt-f1 is set to the menu
[16:42] <Adys> yeah by default
[16:42] <Adys> but thats set in the keyboard shortcuts
[16:42] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:42] <BUGabundo> for metacity
[16:42] <Adys> um
[16:43] <dyf> Adys: install tilda ;)
[17:23] <unixdawg> ok jaunty on this laptop kicks ass
[17:23] <unixdawg> I love it and I use to hate linux
[17:24] <TuTUXG> what laptop?
[17:25] <dyf> unixdawg hats linux.. wtf?
[17:25] <dyf> hates*
[17:26] <unixdawg> i am a bsd guy at heart
[17:26] <unixdawg> but jaunty makes using linux fun
[17:26] <dyf> how so?
[17:26] <unixdawg> dell Latitude cpx 650
[17:28] <unixdawg> in a min
[17:28] <unixdawg> sorry wrong win
[17:29] <unixdawg> but jaunty runs smooth on this laptop
[17:30] <tretle> is jaunty going to be switching to packagekit any time soon?
[17:36] <fosco__> don't think so
[17:44] <TuTUXG> kernel bump
[18:08] <tretle> does anyone else have a problem with fonts being extremely large, I changed them so that they are smaller but the xchat chat window did not seem to update with the changes so I have horribly large text :(
[18:08] <Amaranth> tretle: It's because we're actually paying attention to your screen's DPI now
[18:08] <maco> tretle: for once, ubuntu finally uses your sceen's physical dpi instead of forcing 96dpi on everybody
[18:09] <tretle> well I dont like it
[18:09] <Amaranth> maco: Although we forced 96 dpi before because some screens didn't report the right thing
[18:09] <Amaranth> They probably still don't but the drivers handle it a bit better and we don't care anymore :P
[18:09] <maco> Amaranth: right...some screens still report the wrong size
[18:09] <maco> Amaranth: well, and we ough to fix the drivers :P
[18:10] <Amaranth> It's not up to the drivers
[18:10] <tretle> the text is freakishly large, sorta makes it pointless having a 1080i 15" laptop screen
[18:10] <maco> also, the thing where font sizes change all wrong and inconsistently between different apps is a problem on gnome
[18:10] <tretle> I have good eye sight and like small text :D
[18:10] <Amaranth> Windows doesn't honor your screen's DPI so some screens don't have a working method of getting it
[18:10] <Amaranth> tretle: So make the font size smaller
[18:10] <tretle> I did but xchat doesnt listen
[18:11] <maco> some apps try to force a certain font size and ignore what you set in gnome :(  even some gnome apps
[18:11] <maco> file a bug on xchat for being stupid and not listening to gnome
[18:11] <tretle> and I spend alot of time in irc so its annoying having large text
[18:11] <maco> does xchat have a font size setting built-in too?
[18:11] <maco> i thought xchat had like a billion settings
[18:11] <BUGabundo> tretle: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/324518
[18:12] <BUGabundo> and a few others
[18:12] <BUGabundo> also its on the release note
[18:12] <Amaranth> maco: X-Chat has it's own setting, yes
[18:12] <tretle> I have an ati card
[18:12] <Amaranth> I know xchat-gnome has an option to use the GNOME settings but I dunno about xchat
[18:13] <Amaranth> tretle: Notice the bug is for xorg-server
[18:13] <Amaranth> Although it really isn't a bug
[18:13] <tretle> also not able to view video cause gstreamer keeps crashing?
[18:14] <tretle> and lastly, are the new volume controls going to come back at some point?
[18:14] <maco> no
[18:14] <maco> the new volume control was a regression, effectively
[18:14] <BUGabundo> tretle: NO
[18:14] <maco> since it didnt allow adjusting individual channels like the old one, and it required pulseaudio
[18:15] <BUGabundo> some canonical client didn't like it, and asked Desktop team to remove it
[18:15] <tretle> lol, couldnt they just fix it?
[18:15] <maco> seriously?
[18:15] <maco> not in time
[18:15] <maco> the ball's been kicked back up to gnome
[18:16] <maco> probably with a note to not remove so many features at once :P
[18:16] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: I'm guessing Dell :P
[18:16] <tretle> so hopefully jaunty+1 will include packagekit, volume control and new upstart replacement?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> tretle: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/325868
[18:16] <Amaranth> upstart replacement?
[18:16] <Amaranth> nothing is replacing upstart
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: no idea. ask audio guys or desktop team
[18:16] <maco> tretle: jaunty includes kpackagekit
[18:16] <tretle> not for gnome
[18:16] <BUGabundo> tretle: see if there are specs for it, if not, open new ones
[18:16] <maco> right
[18:16] <tretle> kde has made the move already
[18:17] <maco> we've actually got *both* kpackagekit and adept in kubuntu right now
[18:17] <maco> i think they're still indecisive...
[18:17] <Amaranth> packagekit is still a regression from what we have now in ubuntu
[18:17] <tretle> dont agree there
[18:17] <tretle> it makes developers jobs easier
[18:17] <maco> Amaranth: really? why?
[18:18] <Amaranth> last time I checked it wasn't as nice as gnome-app-install and didn't support all apt/dpkg features needed
[18:18] <tretle> codec installation without the need for app specific code is brilliant, also new plugins like the anjuta project manager one will be great.
[18:18] <Amaranth> and to work as effectively as gnome-app-install it seems to need a modification to packages
[18:18] <Amaranth> or at least to package metadata
[18:45] <maxb> So, why does synaptic want to install python3, but aptitude not? :-/
[18:46] <maxb> It's a little discomforting when what you get as a result of an update depends on which tool you use
[18:47] <TuTUXG> should check update-manager
[18:56] <tretle> getting an error trying to install gstreamer-bad-multiverse
[18:56] <tretle> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse:
[18:56] <tretle>  Depends: libmjpegtools0c2a (>=1:1.8.0) but it is not installable
[18:56] <tretle>  Depends: libx264-59 (>=1:0.svn20080408) but it is not installable
[18:57] <TuTUXG> tretle, u need to install libx264-59 from intrepid's repo
[18:57] <tretle> im running jaunty
[18:58] <TuTUXG> i know
[18:58] <TuTUXG> that's the workaround for that bug
[18:58] <Amaranth> It just needs to be rebuilt
[18:59] <TuTUXG> still a bug
[18:59] <Amaranth> Sure, but this is a fairly common thing in a development period
[19:00] <Amaranth> apt-get -b source gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse would most likely fix it too :P
[19:03] <tretle> still getting tall itan error trying to ins
[19:04] <tretle> [19:03] <tretle> still getting tall itan error trying to ins
[19:04] <tretle> Depends: libmjpegtools0c2a (>=1:1.8.0) but it is not installabl
[20:51] <billybigrigger> hi all
[20:51] <billybigrigger> if i go ahead and install alpha4 will i be able to dist-upgrade to alpha5 to do i have to reinstall via cd/dvd?
[20:54] <siegie> billybigrigger: no, just upgrade.
[20:55] <billybigrigger> k
[20:56] <billybigrigger> have been trying debian etch and the "new" lenny the last couple weeks, lol what a joke, i love using apps that are behind the times haha, enough debian on my desktop
[20:56] <billybigrigger> can't even get OO 3.0 without using experimental repos
[20:56] <billybigrigger> dont know why i even tried to go back to debian
[20:57] <Amaranth> lenny is like hardy wrt software versions
[20:57] <billybigrigger> lenny = gey
[20:57] <Amaranth> ...
[20:57] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: Please try to act like an adult
[20:57] <billybigrigger> cdimage is slooooow...is there another mirror i can grab 9.04 from?
[20:58] <billybigrigger> Amaranth, roger
[20:58] <Amaranth> afaik alphas are not mirrored
[21:00] <billybigrigger> that sucks, i have an x86 9.04 server cd here...wish i didnt have to download a 64bit cd
[21:02] <siegie> billybigrigger: if you want to use debian and up to date software, try testing  or unstable
[21:04] <Amaranth> I'd say testing is close to Ubuntu levels of stability but in a rolling release style
[21:04] <Amaranth> unstable is like always using ubuntu+1 :)
[21:05] <tretle> Im having video issues with jaunty, it refuses to play videos(crashing totem). When i try installing any multiverse gstreamer packages they also fail.
[21:06] <maco> testing right now should be insane
[21:06] <maco> lenny just dropped
[21:12] <syockit> wait, which is more unstable, testing or unstable?
[21:13] <TuTUXG> testing i guess
[21:15] <genii> release..stable..unstable..testing/experimental
[21:16] <maxb> uhm no
[21:17] <maxb> syockit: unstable is more unstable
[21:17] <maxb> The reason why testing is especially turbulent right now is because it has *just* unfrozen
[21:18] <maxb> hence anything which was blocked from migrating into testing by the freeze will have done so all at once
[21:20] <genii> maxb: Ah, I just read the explanantions off the main Debian page now, which makes it clearr
[21:21] <syockit> ah, that means unstable is the rolling release?
[21:22] <maco> yes
[22:07] <billybigrigger> k
[22:07] <billybigrigger> im installing 9.04 amd64
[22:07] <billybigrigger> i get to the parition page
[22:07] <billybigrigger> its detecting my 500gb storage disk as sda
[22:07] <billybigrigger> and my 200gb OS disk (the one i want to install to) as sdb
[22:08] <billybigrigger> is there anyway i can have my OS hdd sda and my storage disk sdb? so switch the device names around?
[22:08] <billybigrigger> i could always unplug the 500gb storage disk for the install, but thats kinda not what im looking for
[22:14] <maco> billybigrigger: why does it matter what the device names are...?
[22:15] <billybigrigger> just easier to remember sda is my / and sdb is my storage device
[22:15] <billybigrigger> always have setup my machines like that
[22:15] <TheInfinity> billybigrigger: plug off your storage device?
[22:15] <billybigrigger> already unplugged it
[22:16] <billybigrigger> just a pain in the ass having to open the case to do something simple
[22:16] <billybigrigger> half way done installing already :P lol thanks for the quick replies :P
[22:23] <fujimitsu> eog is acting up
[22:24] <fujimitsu> there was a compiz crash that didnt do anything (?) from nontechnical point
[22:25] <billybigrigger> which mirror does apt scan on install?
[22:25] <billybigrigger> im stuck here @ 82 percent
[22:25] <billybigrigger> been sitting here long enough for the screen to go black
[22:26] <fujimitsu> update took a little longer than usual for me today
[22:33] <CosmiChaos> does anyone got nested paging working in vbox 2.1.4 for in jaunty? :(
[22:41] <billybigrigger> wow 412 packages updated
[22:41] <billybigrigger> 330mb of updates w00t
[22:43] <fujimitsu> i updated yesterday and it still was over 100 updates
[22:43] <billybigrigger> i just did a fresh install today
[22:44] <fujimitsu> to be expected
[22:44] <billybigrigger> glad i have a decent connection, 1300kb/sec aint bad for 412 pkgs :P
[22:44] <billybigrigger> couldnt imaging updating on 56k or dsl
[22:44] <billybigrigger> ooooh its zingin now, 1800k/sec
[22:46] <billybigrigger> now time to see how long it takes to crunch out 412 updates :P
[22:47] <billybigrigger> hmm thats wierd
[22:48] <billybigrigger> i unplugged my 500gb sata storage drive from my desktop on install
[22:48] <billybigrigger> i installed 9.04 to sda (200gb ide disk), now i was hoping when i plugged the sata drive back in, that it would be named sdb, but its sda, and my / is sdb
[22:48] <billybigrigger> does ubuntu give priority or something to sata disks?
[22:51] <maxb> It's entirely possible that the kernel scans the sata bus before the pata bus
[22:51] <maxb> (conjecture, I'm not an expert)
[22:52] <billybigrigger> must be something in the new 2.6.27+ kernel
[22:53] <billybigrigger> i just had debian lenny running on this machine earlier today and i had it the way i wanted, i installed on the PATA as hda, and installed the SATA drive later as sda, and iirc lenny come withs 2.6.26
[22:58] <billybigrigger> did anyone else have a problem updating the package 'checkbox'??\
[22:58] <billybigrigger> my update has been stuck here on configuring checkbox for the last ~5 mins
[22:58] <billybigrigger> doing nothing
[22:58] <billybigrigger> and im stuck in 800x600 so i cant scroll down and see whats goin on
[22:58] <ianm_> hey just wanted to report a fun fact: on Jaunty with the plug-and-play wacom support, yesterday we successfully used *4* wacom tablets concurrently on one laptop
[22:59] <billybigrigger> bah
[22:59] <ianm_> billybigrigger: you may be able to hold Alt and drag the window around
[23:00] <billybigrigger> i can scroll down far enough to see What would you like to do about it? Your options are:
[23:00] <billybigrigger> lol
[23:00] <billybigrigger> i cant see the options
[23:00] <ianm_> try Alt-dragging
[23:00] <billybigrigger> nothing
[23:00] <billybigrigger> ahh
[23:00] <billybigrigger> there we are
[23:00] <billybigrigger> ianm_, thnkx
[23:02] <billybigrigger> hmm, what should i do? install package maintainer's version or keep currently-installed version?  its saying something about ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf, but the script did not pass --debconf-ok to ucf, the maintainer script should be fixed to not stop debconf before calling ucf, and pass it this parameter. for now ucf will revert to using old-style non debconf prompting...
[23:02] <billybigrigger> please inform the package maintainer about this problem
[23:02] <billybigrigger> and then my options...
[23:03] <billybigrigger> should i go ahead and update or keep the currently installed package?
[23:03] <ianm_> I usually update / use new version, then deal with any problems later ;)
[23:04] <billybigrigger> how do i notify the maintainer of checkbox checkbox-gtk?
[23:04] <billybigrigger> email him/her?
[23:04] <billybigrigger> better yet, how do i find out WHO the maintainer is
[23:05]  * DanaG wishes radeon had some power management support... because draining 30 watsts from battery is Not Good.
[23:06] <DanaG> In fact, I'd dare guess that it can actually wear out the battery prematurely.
[23:07]  * billybigrigger diggs the quick bootup time in 9.04
[23:08] <DanaG> 37 seconds for me.  Spiffy.
[23:09] <billybigrigger> what hardware?
[23:09] <DanaG> HP EliteBook 8530w.
[23:09] <DanaG> I have lots of stuff installed, though.
[23:09] <billybigrigger> hp so intel core 2 duo
[23:09] <billybigrigger> ram?
[23:10] <DanaG> 4 gigs DDR2-800.
[23:10] <billybigrigger> restricted drivers needs a restart, will time this one :P\
[23:10] <DanaG> hard drive is 250GB Seagate 7200RPM.
[23:11] <billybigrigger> i just built this desktop, amd x2 2.6ghz, 2gb ddr2-800 kingston, seagate 200gb pata and 500gb sata, booting ubuntu from the pata disk though :(
[23:11]  * billybigrigger needs a stop watch
[23:11] <DanaG> CPU is 2.4GHz.
[23:11] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootchart
[23:13] <FFForever> how do i remove the alt + click shortcut?
[23:13] <billybigrigger> 1m10sec
[23:14] <billybigrigger> from shutdown to back to logged into gnome
[23:14] <billybigrigger> not bad
[23:14] <billybigrigger> :P\
[23:14] <DanaG> I'm on ext4.
[23:14] <billybigrigger> ooooh
[23:14] <DanaG> I have backups, so the possible risk of data loss doesn't bother me too much.
[23:14] <billybigrigger> you notice many/any differences?
[23:14] <DanaG> It seems to help the booting.
[23:14] <DanaG> Not much else changes, subjectively.
[23:15] <billybigrigger> hehe
[23:15]  * billybigrigger LOVES ubuntu's rendering...
[23:15] <DanaG> Font rendering is awesome.
[23:15] <billybigrigger> i just came from debian etch and lenny for the last couple of weeks
[23:15] <DanaG> With subpixel rendering.
[23:15] <DanaG> And on a 147DPI display -- sweetness.
[23:16] <billybigrigger> just updated drivers and this looks amazing compared to debian
[23:16] <billybigrigger> i just have a 3 year old LG 19" LCD
[23:16] <billybigrigger> nothing fancy
[23:16]  * DanaG is on ATI video (by choice, to save power and because I like the ATI Windows drivers better than the NV windows drivers).
[23:16] <billybigrigger> not even using dvi-d
[23:16] <Volkodav> anybody has multiple instances of xfdesktop loading at startup eating up memory in xfce 4.6 ?
[23:16] <DanaG> Want custom resolution on NV in Vista?  Good luck... it makes you test it, and then invariably fails.
[23:17] <DanaG> Want custom resolution on ATI?  No problem: just find the DALNonstandardModesBCD key.
[23:17] <billybigrigger> hehe
[23:17] <billybigrigger> how is ati coming along in linux drivers?
[23:17] <FFForever> no one?
[23:17] <billybigrigger> FFForever, what is the alt-click shortcut?
[23:18] <FFForever> billybigrigger, it moves the current focused window....
[23:18] <DanaG> fglrx is broken for me even on Intrepid, oddly enough.
[23:18] <crdlb> FFForever: system -> preferences -> windows
[23:18] <DanaG> Radeon works better than nv or nouveau ever have for me (on old hardware where I had to use it), but lacks 3D support and power-management support.
[23:20] <DanaG> I don't mind the lack of 3D... but having it drain 30 watts on battery is bad.
[23:20] <DanaG> Bad for the battery run-time... and bad for its health, too.
[23:22] <billybigrigger> ya
[23:22] <billybigrigger> my battery doesn't seem to run for too long in ubuntu 8.10
[23:23] <billybigrigger> hp pavillion dv9000
[23:23] <DanaG> I'd tweaked my system with a custom laptop-mode-tools package (the Ubuntu one is broken).
[23:26] <billybigrigger> ahh much better
[23:26]  * DanaG wonders what Jaunty+1 will be called.
[23:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, random: HP netbook theme: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[23:27] <DanaG> My theme: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange.png
[23:28] <billybigrigger> i like that netbook theme, the first one
[23:28] <billybigrigger> what window border theme is it using?
[23:28]  * billybigrigger is searching ubuntu-art.org for some good stuff right now
[23:28] <DanaG> It's on Canonical's HP repo.
[23:28] <DanaG> You have to add the deb-src lines to sources.list, and then apt-get source the packages.
[23:29] <billybigrigger> ooh, thats the default theme?
[23:29] <DanaG> From their MIE netbook, yes.
[23:30] <billybigrigger> nice
[23:30] <DanaG> http://h30434.www3.hp.com/psg/board/message?board.id=OS&message.id=4194
[23:30] <DanaG> Take only the deb-src lines, though.
[23:30] <billybigrigger> i dont have a netbook
[23:30] <billybigrigger> 17" pavillionm
[23:31] <billybigrigger> whats the package name for compiz config? like theme manager
[23:32] <DanaG> compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:32] <billybigrigger> man this is confusing, whats the difference between compiz and emerald?
[23:33] <billybigrigger> both are part of compiz or emerald is something totally different?
[23:33] <DanaG> Emerald is only a window decorator -- the thingy that draws the borders.
[23:33] <DanaG> If you don't use emerald, it uses the Metacity border theme.
[23:33] <billybigrigger> so for "the best looking" desktop, compiz+emerald
[23:33] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:33] <DanaG> I prefer without emerald, actually.
[23:33] <DanaG> Because Emerald draws itself separately, it's a royal pain to find matching themes.
[23:34] <billybigrigger> ahh
[23:34] <DanaG> Ugh, laptop using 36 watts on battery.  That's lame.
[23:34] <billybigrigger> makes sense
[23:34] <DanaG> On battery in Windows is 19 watts.
[23:35] <SwedeMike> hmm... so, the past 6-10 days or so, after I wake up my Thinkpad X200 after suspend, I'm logged out and at the gdm screen. it doesn't happen all the time, just sometimes. Anyone else seeing this?
[23:36] <SwedeMike> it's like doing ctrl-alt-backspace
[23:36] <SwedeMike> last says "gone - no logout" in my session
[23:37]  * DanaG goes off now.  Will be back later.
[23:37] <DanaG> At least Radeon does suspend.  Nouveau and NV don't -- or at least, not reliably.
[23:37] <billybigrigger> DanaG, lazer
[23:37]  * DanaG ducks
[23:37] <DanaG> =þ
[23:37] <DanaG> OOps, can't dodge light.
[23:38] <DanaG> =þ
[23:38] <billybigrigger> hah
[23:38] <billybigrigger> k, lemme rephrase so your not hitting the deck
[23:38] <billybigrigger> later
[23:38]  * DanaG hits sleep button and wonders when Freenode will notice.
[23:38] <DanaG> bye.
[23:47] <ian1> are there any (debug?) settings when running Jaunty Alpha that would make things run slower?
[23:50] <billybigrigger> hah
[23:51] <billybigrigger> was just about to ask how to install OO.org 3
[23:51] <billybigrigger> already installed by default
[23:51]  * billybigrigger sits on his Debian 5.0 "Lenny" install disk, then snaps it in half
[23:52] <SwedeMike> debian and ubuntu complements each other. I wouldn't want either to stop doing what they're doing.
[23:53] <billybigrigger> yes but im sick of trying to run newer versions of apps on debian's old ass
[23:53] <billybigrigger> like wine, OO, anything reallly
[23:53] <billybigrigger> debian calls them expiremental, or unstable packages, and they are about 2 years behind everything
[23:53] <billybigrigger> just not what im used to
[23:54] <SwedeMike> billybigrigger: well, then you should obviously run ubuntu and keep upgrading.
[23:55] <SwedeMike> billybigrigger: which is the good thing about debian vs ubuntu, you can choose what works best
[23:55] <SwedeMike> I run debian on my servers and ubuntu on my laptops.
[23:56] <billybigrigger> SwedeMike, i tried running debian etch and lenny both on this new desktop i built for the last couple of weeks
[23:56] <SwedeMike> billybigrigger: and it's not true debian is 2 years behind on everything, lenny is 3-9 months back in most aspects, and you can always choose backports repository to keep recent
[23:56] <billybigrigger> as a home server, with ftp, apapche, mysql, php, wordpress...just some stuff to play around with
[23:56] <billybigrigger> i can do all the same things, with newer software on ubuntu
[23:56] <Voltron_> Anyone notice VERY poor network performance while running Jaunty?
[23:57] <billybigrigger> etch was released in 07, lenny 09, 2 years apart between releases...not what im looking for...mind you every 6 months for ubuntu is kinda a pain in the arse too...
[23:57] <billybigrigger> Voltron, not yet..
[23:57] <billybigrigger> everything seems snappy here, in all aspects
[23:58] <SwedeMike> billybigrigger: yes, if that's what you're after, then ubuntu us what you want.
[23:58] <SwedeMike> billybigrigger: I know people who achieve the same by running debian unstable
[23:58] <Voltron_> What is a good IRC client for ubuntu? I am using Quassel and it kind of sucks
[23:58] <Voltron_> What does everyone else use?
[23:58] <SwedeMike> irssi
[23:58] <billybigrigger> xchat
[23:58] <billybigrigger> not xchat-gnome, but xchat
[23:59] <RAOF> Voltron_: irssi is pretty good, particularly if you've got a server somewhere you can ssh into.
[23:59] <SwedeMike> irssi is the only way to go if you're serious about irc
[23:59] <RAOF> Voltron_: Since my server went up in smoke, I've been using smuxi, which is pretty nice.
[23:59] <Voltron_> What do you mean? I have a server in my basement that I can ssh into...
[23:59] <SwedeMike> I have 330 windows in my irssi, I know others who have 500+
[23:59] <Voltron_> !irssi


[14:00] <vandana> can anyone help me out for resolving wifi issues? searched internet and tried but no luck.. have rtl8723be card+ubuntu 16.04+latest linux kernel 4.9.2