[00:00] <Lee2010> I would believe it would be.
[00:00] <Lee2010> Seeing as it's the appropriate version to have Spotify support.
[00:00] <xixor> yo, where to find where to change the desktop wallpaper in system settings?
[00:02] <Lee2010> I don't beleive you can from System Settings, Just right click the desktop
[00:16] <xixor> Is there a setting that will make a program appear in the workspace from which it was launched?  I have some programs that take a long time to launch, and my ADD means that I switch workspaces
[00:24] <goddard> how do i set background with Gwenview
[00:24] <goddard> ?
[00:40] <xixor> clear
[00:40] <xixor> ls
[02:33] <Hoyt> hi , can anyone show me the result of this command: lsb_release -a
[02:33] <Hoyt> I want to know if the result is different for Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[02:34] <r|nas> No LSB modules are available.
[02:34] <r|nas> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[02:34] <r|nas> Description:    Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[02:34] <r|nas> Release:        12.04
[02:34] <r|nas> Codename:       precise
[02:34] <Hoyt> r|nas: thanks
[04:53] <topinambur> Kubuntu 12.04 LTS installation crashes when using manual partitioning. I can't use direct/automatic partitioning. Any workarounds?
[04:55] <adso> from console use fdisk for manual partition.
[04:57] <topinambur> Will the installation process overwrite the partitioning specified by fdisk?
[04:58] <adso> if you select automatic , yes
[05:02] <topinambur> The partition table is already created. All I need to do is to specify the mount points and the format flags. That is where installation crashes
[05:06] <adso> mmm
[05:06] <adso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/990464
[05:13] <topinambur> How to move /home and /boot to separate partitions after kubuntu installation? Also, what are the parameters for ntfs partitions in fstab?
[06:45] <tangle> hi you all.  Is cinelerra in a package anywhere?
[06:51] <gnu-man> I boot kubuntu and in install had made partition. After I made the boot in hard disk and it put me in choice (Kubuntu or WindowsXP. After this I start Kubuntu a the computer start  GRUB4DOS only. How can I boot the new partition (Kubuntu)
[06:51] <gnu-man> \/
[06:51] <gnu-man> ?
[07:48] <VK-2> HI
[09:02] <omeringen> hi
[09:03] <omeringen> how can i make "firefox-kde-support" package to work with the firefox i manually installed to a different directory than default one ?
[09:03] <omeringen> there should be some kind of modifications i must do
[09:03] <omeringen> for firefox ux/fx/nightly builds etc.
[09:04] <nurupo> idk, don't use ff
[09:05] <kerloi> Hi all. Does anyone know a reason for not beeing able to update to kubuntu 12.04. I mean the update is not detected either through muon-updater or with 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ...
[09:33] <skramer_> I seem to have a problem with KMail2 & spamassassin, which always puts messages in Spam folder which definitely are no spam. I even tried sa-learn --ham ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/Posteingang and sa-learn --spam ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/Spam, but still it puts some "Ham" into spam folder...
[09:34] <skramer_> Anybody could help me find out what I´m doing wrong, please?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:52] <BluesKaj> my install to separate HDD went well, but the nvidia kernel module driver script (jockey?) failed to install the driver ...was stuck with 800x600 res on  a 42" plasma .:P .Tryng the desktop cd route rather than the alternate install
[11:18] <BluesKaj> !apper
[11:18] <szal> BluesKaj: install the NVIDIA PPA, apt-get install the driver and nvidia-settings, run nvidia-xconfig & reboot.. shouldn't get any easier than that, if you ask me
[11:20] <BluesKaj> szal, yeah i thoiught so too , but I kept getting a script error , even with the nvidia ppa :(
[11:20] <BluesKaj> trying the plain jane desktop install this time
[11:58] <zonked5> Help. Dolphin details setting is stuck in tree mode. The wiki articles instruct going to Dolphin>Settings>Configure Dolphin>View Modes>Details, and switch off Expanded Folders--But there is no Expanded Folders option in 4.83. How do i turn the tree mode off?
[12:14] <jovin> skype isnt in the repos anymore?
[12:14] <ikonia> skype is a 3rd party product
[12:15] <jovin> that doesnt explain why i could install it from muon before (11.10)
[12:16] <ikonia> was it in the partner repo ? or did you add the 3rd party skype repo
[12:16] <ikonia> I think skype hosted their own repo as I recall
[12:18] <jovin> after enabling partner repo it works :)
[12:19] <lethu> hello, I am trying to update my system clock (+1 hour) but it seems to revert back to previous time ever time I reboot
[12:19] <lethu> and this does not happen when internet is unplugged
[12:20] <lethu> so I am assuming the system clock updates itself to the wrong time from internet
[12:37] <ikonia> lethu: ntp is the problem
[12:42] <JuJuBee> I created a user "test" with a "public_html" folder on my server but mydomain.com/~test returns  The requested URL /~testait was not found on this server.
[12:43] <JuJuBee> Other users ~user are fine
[12:53] <lethu> ikonia, ntpdate?
[12:53] <ikonia> lethu: no, ntp, the daemon that keeps your machines clock in sync
[12:53] <lethu> ikonia, I see
[12:53] <lethu> thank you!
[12:56] <sebaldus> just installed 12.04, awesome
[12:58] <sebaldus> does anyone have any tips for post 12.04 installation?
[13:20] <HelenB> How do I share my wifi connection over ethernet?
[13:27] <gsommer> Since the latest Kubuntu update I cannot use the arrow-keys to navigate through search-results in the menu. How can I re-enable that?  (Steps: ctrl+f1, type "net" (You'll get several results), try to use arrow-up/arrow-down to navigate through the results)
[13:50] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[13:59] <BluesKaj> ok, installed 12.04 to separate HDD succesfully this time , the nvidia driver installed perfectly by default...think there's a bug in the jockey install script
[13:59] <BluesKaj> oops , on the alternate install
[14:01] <ikonia> BluesKaj: explain a bit ?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ikonia: there was a nvidia/jockey install scipt failure on several different tries/sources for the nvidia-currentr driver including nvidia ppa
[14:05] <ikonia> BluesKaj: the alternative install actually tried the PPA ?
[14:07] <jdhfr> I need gnome-shell working in ubuntu. right now it doesn't
[14:08] <BluesKaj> no ikonia , I added the ppa after the install trying to get a successful instal, but it made no difference. Ieven tried the nvidia .run version
[14:10] <ikonia> ah, so the PPA fixed it, but the stock repos nvidia modules don't work
[14:11] <BluesKaj> nope the ppa didn't work either
[14:12] <ikonia> did any nvidia component work ?
[14:12] <ikonia> as in have you found a working option ?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> I just reinstalled using the plane jane desktop install , but with 3rd party and and update/upgrade options turned on during the install
[14:13] <ikonia> and ?
[14:13] <ikonia> working/failing ?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> working fine now, yes
[14:14] <vsrao> Hi. I'm having trouble installing Kubuntu. It says, "The ext3 file system creation in partition #8 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed.". What should I do?
[14:14] <ikonia> that's odd, as the nvidia component should be the same
[14:15] <BluesKaj> ikonia, think it's the jockey install scipt in the alternate install version that may be corrupted
[14:15] <ikonia> BluesKaj: do you get any sort of errors with the alternative
[14:16] <BluesKaj> yes , the jockey install script failed , or words to that effect
[14:17] <ikonia> ahh so you do see an actual failure
[14:17] <ikonia> rather than it just not working as an end result
[14:21] <BluesKaj> yes , I tried several times at the TTY to install the driver after purging etc , from the nvidia proprietary to the ppa ...all fail errors were the same  as I described
[14:23] <Joit> what lobbiest did add facebook to the miniprograms
[14:29] <ikonia> BluesKaj: very interesting, certainly seems like a worth while bug to push
[14:31] <BluesKaj> ikonia, I already filed one , but there don't seem to be any duplicates , at least not yet , and I did get a bug confirmation email from launchpad
[14:31] <ikonia> BluesKaj: push it through, seems a good find
[14:33] <BluesKaj> I'll ask around in the devel chat later if anyone else has seen this ,..I'm still setting everything up right now
[14:43] <gsommer> Since the latest Kubuntu update I cannot use the arrow-keys to navigate through search-results in the menu. How can I re-enable that?  (Steps: ctrl+f1, type "net" (You'll get several results), try to use arrow-up/arrow-down to navigate through the results)
[14:57] <vsrao> Hi. I'm having trouble installing Kubuntu. It says, "The ext3 file system creation in partition #8 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed.". What should I do?
[14:57] <vsrao> I've tried using parted to create ext2/fat32 systems on it. Both worked. But, installation fails with the same error.
[15:38] <technikengel> Hi there oder auch Hallo
[16:50] <cubbybear> Hi all. I have upgraded to the latest KDE 4.8.3 in Kubuntu 12.04. I am having a problem with Kmail. It is unable to send mails. I noticed that the password block is grayed out and emtpy. I have check file permissions and they are correct. Can someone help?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> cubbybear, best to ask in #kubuntu-devel ,since kde 4.8.3 isn't officially released yet
[16:59] <technikengel> Everyone knows a good MediaPlayer for AllinOne
[17:02] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: ?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Tm_T  is it official ?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> failed on my setup
[17:03] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: been official for some time, see kubuntu.org/news
[17:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , well it broke my install , Tm_T
[17:05] <BluesKaj> badly too
[17:08] <lolmaus^_^> Hi! I've installed Kubuntu 12.04. I've got three monitors connected to my computer, but the Settings show only one. How do i enable the rest?
[17:08] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: doesn't make it unofficial, did you make bugreport?
[17:10] <Tm_T> lolmaus^_^: what graphics chip?
[17:10] <lolmaus^_^> Tm_T: GeForce GTX 275 and GeForce 5700 or similiar
[17:11] <BluesKaj> there was no error in the logs ,so I don't what caused X to not load , Tm_T
[17:23] <lolmaus^_^> Tm_T: any ideas how to enable the two extra monitors?
[17:53] <Wizard> Hi.
[17:54] <Wizard> Why does Kubuntu launch "netbook" plasma by default? :(
[17:55] <maxvanceffer> maybe u have netbook ))))
[17:55] <maco> Wizard: the default is determined by the screen resolution. You can configure it in System Settings -> Desktop, if you'd like to change it
[17:55] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[17:55] <maco> correction:  System Settings -> Workspace Behavior
[17:55] <lordievader> Hey stanley_robertso
[17:55] <Wizard> maco: OK.
[17:56] <genii-around> Wizard: During install time it tries to understand what kind of computer you have and installs whatever desktop it thinks is the right one, sometimes wrongly
[17:56] <Wizard> maco: I did that, I was just shocked.
[17:56] <Wizard> This is a small netbook, so it guessed "correctly"
[17:56] <maco> my netbook gets desktop mode by default, because it's a very high resolution netbook
[17:57] <Wizard> I also installed Kubuntu Precise on my Powerbook G4, works like a charm :D
[17:58] <Steve132> Anyone else have a glitch where kopete just won't log in?  It worked fine for me consistently, but then it just randomly shows a blank buddy list
[17:58] <Steve132> I think it might have something to do with some service not being started...any way to check it?
[18:00] <Wizard> I would launch it from Konsole and look if it spits anything interesting out.
[18:02] <Steve132> Wizard: preferred paste location?
[18:02] <Steve132> Wizard: http://pastebin.com/CxYadFki
[18:05] <Wizard> It spits the same here, but without this last line.
[18:08] <Wizard> Hmm, How often does it disconnect?
[18:09] <sharkmap> hey all, just want to say thanks for being here and being ready to help. Knowing that, I was able to search the web and find the answer to the 'no screensavers' issue I had with 12.04. It took some searching, digging through out dated info, but I found that I needed to install the kdescreensaver-xsavers to get them to display in the dialog. All is well, and again, thanks for being here.
[18:11] <Wizard> sharkmap: :)
[18:12] <Steve132> Wizard: Like once a day
[18:12] <Steve132> Maybe more
[18:13] <Steve132> but once its out its out for a long time
[18:13] <Steve132> maybe a whole day or two
[18:13] <Steve132> then it just comes back
[18:13] <Wizard> Maybe server is just faulty?
[18:14] <Steve132> its not just one client
[18:14] <Steve132> I have several protocols
[18:15] <Steve132> and they all go out at once
[18:15] <Steve132> and clicking 'attempt to log back in' does nothing
[18:15] <Steve132> like, setting the status to 'online'
[18:16] <Wizard> And only kopete disconnects?
[18:16]  * Barsan is away: Ausente no momento
[18:20] <Steve132> Well, I only use kopete
[18:20] <Steve132> but I have multiple protocols and accounts under kopete
[18:20] <Steve132> so I doubt its a server issue
[18:20] <Steve132> if the server went out, it would only be one server
[18:20] <ikonia> !away > Barsan
[18:21] <Steve132> plus, I'm really doubtful that the gmail jabber server and the msn live server and the aim server for the east coast all go out simultaneously
[18:21] <Steve132> so its certainly a client error
[18:23]  * Barsan is back.
[18:27] <AciD`> I posted Bug 299578. Anybody here had (and solved) this kind of problem (perhaps on a different hardware) ?
[18:27] <AciD`> I meant this bug on kde.org : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299578
[18:35] <cowboynicka> Hi!
[18:38] <lordievader> Hey cowboynicka
[18:56] <lordievader> Does anyone know how to install libmysqlclient16? apt-get fails... XMBC complains about it...
[18:58] <lordievader> My server/mediacenter is an old laptop of which the battery died.
[18:59] <ikonia> lordievader: step backwards, why do you need libmysqlclient16 ? libmysqlclient is normally the right package
[19:00] <lordievader> ikonia: I already got it fixed, got it from a ubuntu package site
[19:00] <lordievader> ikonia: But thanks anyway :0
[19:00] <lordievader> :)*
[19:00] <ikonia> no problem
[19:31] <simple-bed> woohoo, kubuntu active working!
[19:31] <lordievader> simple-bed: Good for you!
[19:34] <simple-bed> i can't take much credit. theres really not much to it
[19:34] <lordievader> Uhu great ain't it :)
[19:35] <simple-bed> i love it. its even better then it looks in the videos
[20:09]  * Wizard yawns.
[20:15] <asfyxia> Is anyone already using KDE 4.8.3?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> yup, just installed it...seems fine now
[20:17] <BluesKaj> asfyxia,^
[20:18] <asfyxia> I have the backports installed, but get a 404 error...
[20:19] <lordievader> asfyxia: Yes, got it running fine here.
[20:19] <lordievader> asfyxia: I also get 404 on the backports...
[20:20] <lordievader> Not really sure why
[20:20] <asfyxia> The question rises then, how do I get it *sighs*
[20:21] <lordievader> Perhaps the repos needs to be updated to support precise
[20:21] <asfyxia> I tried searching for updates with Muon, by terminal, but zilch happens
[20:22] <asfyxia> and the repos are running on precise, I did a fresh install
[20:23] <lordievader> Well this might explain it: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu-ppa_backports
[20:25] <lordievader> Seems also that it only has oneiric.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> asfyxia, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[20:29] <asfyxia> That's somewhat different than I installed, BluesKaj (mine is according to that link of lordievader)... this one is new, or a different one?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> this one I got at #kubuntu-devel , one of the guys there setup that ppa
[20:32] <asfyxia> Ok, hold on, I'm gonna try it... *eager*
[20:36] <asfyxia> Hmm.. should I get rid of the first ppa first? lordievader, which one have you installed?
[20:38] <lordievader> Currently no backports. It seems it only has Oneiric packages.
[20:38] <BluesKaj> asfyxia, you can find the ppas in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:39] <lordievader> Or use the command sudo add-apt-repository -r "ppa" to remove it
[20:43] <Cerealklr> Hello! Quick question about khotkeys. Does anybody know how to coerce it to use raw codes instead of key codes for inputting shortcuts? The issue is, when I try to make a shortcut C-M-<KP_END>, it simplifies that to C-M-<END>. I could live with C-M-<END> falsely triggering the action, except that C-M-<KP_END> does _not_ trigger the action. It makes the numpad, which I use for all of my directional shortcuts, functionally useless.
[20:46] <asfyxia> There's something wrong with index files, I think I'd better clean out my /etc/apt/sources.list, but not today... ;-p
[20:52] <asfyxia> ....and suddenly Muon wake up and a lot is happening, from the new ppa I reckon, and I'll lean back and enjoy the show...
[20:53] <Cerealklr> Small correction: It's not khotkeys (don't know why I thought it was?) It's the kde control module's shortcut settings
[21:20] <asfyxia> Ok, I have KDE 4.8.3 now on Precise, so I'm running a Lamborghini straight from the factory... Thx for the tips, BluesKaj and lordievader ;-)
[21:20] <dancedragons> please having password problems
[21:21] <dancedragons> rather i am having problems when i try using sendpass command
[21:35] <BluesKaj> dancedragons, sendpass command , not familiar
[21:42] <dancedragons> BluesKaj, please do you have any idea on how i can reclaim my password
[21:42] <dancedragons> ?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> afiak it's /msg nickserv indentify 'password'
[21:43] <dancedragons> okay i was tring to use the option of sending it to my email address
[21:46] <BluesKaj> dancedragons, i assume you are having problems with irc pw, correct?
[21:46] <dancedragons> yes
[21:46] <dancedragons> i have forgotten it
[21:48] <BluesKaj> ask  the guys at #freenode , i'm sure they can help
[21:51] <Resistance> dancedragons:  /join #freenode
[21:51] <Resistance> ask for a password reset email
[22:06] <hypershock> anyone aware of an issue where filezilla closes down when you use the site manager but not when you use quick connect?
[23:19] <bezgo> can someone help me with accessing files from other hard drives
[23:20] <bezgo> im having permissions issues
[23:20] <Cerealklr> bezgo: Fill me in on your issue. I might be of assistance.
[23:20] <bezgo> well im on a fresh install
[23:20] <bezgo> i put my extra hd in and transfered my files to my 2nd hd with a live cd
[23:21] <Cerealklr> okay
[23:21] <bezgo> now i can see the files n such on both my third and second hd but cant access them or browse the folder without running sudo dolphin
[23:22] <Cerealklr> right
[23:22] <bezgo> but when i run sudo dolphin it shows a lot of errors in the konsole
[23:22] <Cerealklr> so, I'm not an expert on this, but I'm assuming the files are now owned by the user from the live cd when you moved them, or your old user account from pre-move
[23:23] <bezgo> so how do i fix this
[23:23] <Cerealklr> in order to fix that issue, it should be as simple as opening konsole
[23:23] <bezgo> when i run a sudo ls in the hd im trying to access i get ....
[23:23] <Cerealklr> figuring out the name of your disk in /media/
[23:23] <bezgo> almost everything has this
[23:23] <bezgo> drwx------
[23:23] <Cerealklr> and then running sudo chmod -r <yourusername>:<yourusername> /media/<hdd-name>
[23:24] <Cerealklr> Note that you should _not_ do that if there are any files on that disk your user shouldn't be owner of
[23:24] <bezgo> i know d is directory and the rest are permissions, there is rwx 3 times, one for admin, one for user and one for everyone
[23:24] <Cerealklr> (in that case, change them on a directory by directory basis)
[23:24] <bezgo> but idk what order thats in
[23:24] <Cerealklr> wait, so you're seeing
[23:24] <Cerealklr> drwxrwxrwx?
[23:24] <bezgo> no most are drwx------
[23:24] <Cerealklr> not drwxr--r--?
[23:24] <Cerealklr> yeah, okay
[23:24] <Cerealklr> that's correct, and the above snippet I posted should fix your issue
[23:25] <bezgo> oh so your saying that i want read capabilities in both of the other groups
[23:26] <Cerealklr> well, that's what I expected, but no you needn't grant that
[23:26] <Cerealklr> you simply need to (provided you want it) take ownership of the files in the harddrive
[23:26] <Cerealklr> chmod -r <username>:<username> <path to drive> will do that for you
[23:30] <bezgo> bezgo@Evil-Penguin:~$ chmod -r bezgo:bezgo /media/Storage\ \&\ Backup/
[23:30] <bezgo> chmod: cannot access `bezgo:bezgo': No such file or directory
[23:30] <bezgo> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/Storage & Backup/': Operation not permitted
[23:31] <Cerealklr> right, sorry, you'll need to sudo that command
[23:31] <Cerealklr> since changing ownership requires root
[23:31] <bezgo> thats what i assumed
[23:31] <Cerealklr> but after that you shouldn't need to use sudo anymore. =]
[23:31] <bezgo> as such
[23:31] <bezgo> bezgo@Evil-Penguin:~$ sudo chmod -r bezgo:bezgo /media/Storage\ \&\ Backup/
[23:31] <bezgo> chmod: cannot access `bezgo:bezgo': No such file or directory
[23:31] <Cerealklr> sorry, could you paste the command you ran here?
[23:31] <bezgo> sudo chmod -r bezgo:bezgo /media/Storage\ \&\ Backup/
[23:32] <Cerealklr> oi, sorry
[23:32] <Cerealklr> s/chmod/chown
[23:32] <Cerealklr> chmod changes user privileges, chown changes ownership
[23:32] <Cerealklr> everything else looks good
[23:33] <bezgo> chown: invalid option -- 'r'
[23:33] <Cerealklr> ah, its -R
[23:33] <bezgo> maybe -R
[23:33] <bezgo> ah ty
[23:33] <Cerealklr> yep
[23:33] <Cerealklr> my bad
[23:34] <Cerealklr> Sorry for my poor typing and distractedness, I've been on the phone with Samsung
[23:34] <bezgo> hmm now that strikes me as awkware
[23:34] <bezgo> awkward*
[23:35] <bezgo> well looks like that did it bu tnow wheni try to ls -ao the drive it tells me permission denied rotfl
[23:35] <bezgo> hey ty for telling me chmod then own, ill remember it because of that
[23:36] <AciD`> bezgo: how much data are on that hard disk ?
[23:37] <Cerealklr> No problem.
[23:38] <AciD`> if you have time, you could fix your permission issues with : `find . -type f -exec chmod 640 {} \;` then `find . -type d -exec chmod 750 {} \;`
[23:39] <bezgo> AciD': a little bit under 100 gb
[23:39]  * Cerealklr high fives AciD for find-fu. I was just looking up the snippet myself. I still vividly remember the time I decided 750 should be fine for all files. -.-
[23:40] <AciD`> Cerealklr: there you go then : http://snipurl.com/23euyua
[23:41] <AciD`> woops, double useless cat :)
[23:41] <Cerealklr> =+
[23:41] <Cerealklr> =P*
[23:41] <Cerealklr> Heh, thanks for the lovely addition to my .zshrc
[23:42] <AciD`> you're welcome
[23:42] <AciD`> I wonder if a website exists for pasting .*shrc file, with votes and stuff
[23:44] <Cerealklr> I've seen a few that are great for terminal snippets, but I don't think any are oriented towards .*shrc's
[23:44] <Cerealklr> would be a lovely idea though
[23:44] <Cerealklr> especially if you add a package builder to it
[23:44] <Cerealklr> run down the list, check all the useful script additions you might like
[23:44] <bezgo> aah rite because the nine base 2 slots give you a combination of 512 so instead of the 9 dashes (1 for the file/folder) can be represented by 0-511?
[23:44] <AciD`> yep
[23:45] <Cerealklr> and download your brand new .*shrc
[23:45] <AciD`> Cerealklr: perhaps somebody in this channel could do something like this :)
[23:46] <AciD`> bezgo: it's a number to describe binary information
[23:46] <GH0> What would cause my Date and Time to shift dramatically 30 minutes off, especially when it is supposed to be in sync with an NTP source?
[23:47] <Cerealklr> I may throw it together in my spare time. I've been looking for some weekend projects. I'm just trying to finish getting my kubuntu installation broken in. Have a lot of little niggling issues that I'm positive I can solve, but that the internet is refusing to help me debug in the first place.
[23:47] <AciD`> bezgo: 6 = 110, 4 = 100, 0 = 000
[23:47] <AciD`> bezgo: so it means rw- r-- ---
[23:48] <AciD`> Cerealklr: a kubuntu install going wrong, that's unlikely
[23:48] <AciD`> what happened ? power failure right in the middle ? bad ram ?
[23:49] <Cerealklr> Oh no, by broken in I meant "lived in" or "configured as I like"
[23:49] <AciD`> ah, ok :)
[23:49] <Cerealklr> in fact, except for a few little issues with Muon in the very beginning on 11.10, I've had no serious issues
[23:50] <AciD`> I must say I'm very pleased with 12.04 which I installed without any problem on that comp
[23:50] <Cerealklr> But I've got a whole stack of tiny ones (Grid Desktop activity only works on the first display of my virtual desktops, the shortcut manager records processed key codes instead of raw keycodes, so it doesn't work for a large number of reaosnable normal keys [like the number pad]), etc.
[23:50] <AciD`> while still using 11.10 with 4.8.2 on my laptop. Though, I haven't tried the dready akonadi..
[23:51] <Cerealklr> I've figured out the issue to the former problem after a lot of testing and messing with display settings, but still can't figure out a fix
[23:51] <AciD`> can't help you there
[23:52] <Cerealklr> Yeah, I've posted about it here and #kde twice, and nobody really had any input. =/
[23:52] <calcmandan> does a usb 3 controller have to be onboard during the installation of linux, or can i add one later and work?
[23:52] <Cerealklr> Strikes me as odd, because I don't think it'd be a rare occurrence to want to you number pad keys for shortcuts, or your second monitor with widgets
[23:52] <AciD`> calcmandan: it should be automagically recognized later
[23:53] <Cerealklr> calcmandan: Pretty sure the kernel module will be loaded when necessary. you can try sudo lsmod to see if a module for usb3 compatibility is loaded. As to what that module would be called, I haven't a clue.
[23:53] <calcmandan> AciD`: thanks.  i installed a pcix usb expander since my mobo doesn't have it built in. i'm making a usb3 thumb drive into a bootable and it's taking a long time.
[23:54] <Cerealklr> calcmandan: but its still functional?
[23:54] <calcmandan> this is my output
[23:54] <calcmandan> http://paste.kde.org/471608/
[23:55] <calcmandan> Cerealklr: it's functional. just that my usb thumbdrives are faster than this
[23:55] <Cerealklr> have you had the opportunity to speedtest that combination of hardware on a different OS?
[23:56] <calcmandan> Cerealklr just installed it 20 minutes ago.
[23:56] <Cerealklr> calcmandan: xhci_hcd is loaded, which as I understand it is the module in charge of USB3.0 support
[23:57] <Cerealklr> So yes, it looks like kubuntu has recognized it as such
[23:57] <calcmandan> Cerealklr: ok thanks.
[23:57] <calcmandan> god i love you guys
[23:57] <Cerealklr> heh, no problem
[23:57] <Cerealklr> I love easy problems for me to deal with
[23:57] <Cerealklr> and I keep hoping someone who feels the same will find my issues easy. ;]
[23:57] <calcmandan> i'll just copy a iso file over straight and see how fast it is.
[23:58] <AciD`> that's the spirit :)


[00:07] <kyrofa> More details on the PR
[03:54] <sergiusens> kyrofa I have replied
[10:01] <zyga-ubuntu> good morning :)
[10:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#1870 closed: elf: remove dependency on magic <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1870>
[14:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#1871 opened: support .tar.lzma cleanly in snapcraft <Created by heesen3> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1871>
[15:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#1871 closed: support .tar.lzma cleanly in snapcraft <Created by heesen3> <Closed by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1871>
[21:59] <mup> Bug #1575582 opened: Snap package, using SDL2, needs access to libGL.so and DRI dependencies <Snappy:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575582>


[03:28] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[03:33] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone
[03:33] <Unit193> How are you this christmas evening?
[03:33] <dmcglone> how ya doin?
[03:34] <Unit193> I think I'm doing well
[03:34] <dmcglone> think?
[03:35] <dmcglone> ;-)
[03:35] <Unit193> You don't ever do that?
[03:35] <Unit193> How was christmas?
[03:36] <dmcglone> it was good, did you have a good one?
[03:36] <Unit193> 2 good ones
[03:37] <Unit193> Do you have more then one? (your side, her side and then you, her and kids)
[03:38] <dmcglone> Ah yeah
[03:43] <Unit193> playing much in PHP? (did you make a script that updates your dyndns?)
[03:46] <dmcglone> Oh I've been playing a lot with PHP, matter of face I was just sitting here writing code for fun... lol
[03:46] <dmcglone> I didn't need to write a script, I found that my router automatically does it
[03:47] <dmcglone> matter of fact that is
[03:47] <Unit193> nice, what one?
[03:47] <dmcglone> Belkin
[03:48] <dmcglone> I don't remember model
[03:49] <Unit193> Did they fix the login screen? (viewing the frame source will give the pass)
[03:50] <dmcglone> in the router?
[03:50] <Unit193> Yeah
[03:52] <dmcglone> they seem to have, I just looked and couldn't find anything
[03:56] <dmcglone> do you use Belkin?
[03:58] <Unit193> Not at home, but yes
[03:59] <Unit193> I really don't like it...
[03:59] <dmcglone> why don't you like belkin?
[04:01] <Unit193> The DDNS updater never works, no built-in SSH (and not able to use 3rd party f/w that has it) I can't use a pass longer then 3 letters, etc (most are for the router that I use)
[04:01] <Unit193> Along with viewing the source of the login screen gives me the pass...
[04:02] <dmcglone> I see
[04:02] <dmcglone> I've never had any problems, but we'll see about the DDNS updater in a month
[04:02] <dmcglone> lol
[04:02] <Unit193> Your router seems newer
[04:03] <dmcglone> BiosElement: howdy mate
[04:03] <BiosElement> Hey there dmcglone
[04:03] <Unit193> Hey BiosElement
[04:03] <BiosElement> How's things going?
[04:03] <BiosElement> Hey Unit193
[04:03] <Cheri703> hey guys
[04:03] <dmcglone> good. I'm just sitting here coding for a kick
[04:04] <Unit193> Hello Cheri703
[04:04] <dmcglone> Hi Cheri703
[04:04] <Cheri703> how are you?
[04:04] <dmcglone> Star Wars is on :-)
[04:04] <BiosElement> Hey Cheri703
[04:04] <BiosElement> Hah dmcglone sounds like fun
[04:04] <Cheri703> we JUST got home
[04:04] <BiosElement> I'm actually updating my blog/server... >.>
[04:04] <Cheri703> were in cbus
[04:05] <dmcglone> BiosElement: didn't know you had a blog
[04:05] <BiosElement> ha you left the aweomeness then
[04:05] <dmcglone> Cheri703: how was your trip?
[04:05] <Unit193> dmcglone: I may be going to Cbus Mon, mind if I drop by? :D
[04:05] <BiosElement> dmcglone: yeah, www.bioselement.com although it's a tad neglected, thus why I'm trying to bring it up to spec
[04:05] <Cheri703> fine
[04:06] <Cheri703> we went to my brother's wife's parents' house for christmas dinner
[04:06] <Cheri703> me, husband, and my parents
[04:06] <BiosElement> Sounds fun Cheri703
[04:06] <Cheri703> yeah, it was good
[04:07] <BiosElement> Awesome hah
[04:07] <dmcglone> BiosElement: will add to my blog roll so I can read it
[04:07] <dmcglone> Mine is neglected also
[04:08] <BiosElement> Aha awesome dmcglone make sure you get the right rss url, lemme grab it. Not sure I've got feedburner setup right :P
[04:08] <BiosElement> http://feeds.bioselement.com/BiosElement
[04:08] <BiosElement> That's the right feed...I think haha
[04:08] <BiosElement> I set it up so even if I ditch feedburner, I can do some fancy redirects to not randomly vanish off rss readers
[04:09] <dmcglone> I see
[04:10] <dmcglone> I should look into my rss feeder and find out about it
[04:10] <BiosElement> They really make it easy hah
[04:10] <BiosElement> >.<
[04:10]  * BiosElement is sarcastic today
[04:13] <dmcglone> Ok got your feed set up
[04:29] <BiosElement> Awesome ^_^
[04:34]  * canthus13 awes some more.
[04:40] <dmcglone> where can I find cURL for ubuntu?
[04:42] <dmcglone> never mind finding it, how do I turn it on?
[04:43] <canthus13> curl? Turn it on? Eh?
[04:44]  * canthus13 thought it was a CLI command.
[04:44] <dmcglone> I'm not sure
[04:44] <dmcglone> hang on I'll be back
[04:46] <Unit193> curl is CLI... like wget as far as apt-cahce tells
[04:46] <BiosElement> curl is what silly people use instead of wget >.>
[04:46] <canthus13> Ehh. he had to log out to read a manpage?
[04:47] <BiosElement> http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html
[04:50] <dmcglone> Hmmm I installed cURL and for some reason it's saying that it's off
[04:52] <canthus13> curl isn't 'on' or 'off'.
[04:53] <dmcglone> I was trying to preview "open cart" and it was saying that curl was off
[04:55] <canthus13> Weird.
[04:58] <dmcglone> Oh well it seems to work
[04:58] <dmcglone> It's quite nice too, open cart that is
[04:59] <BiosElement> I lohw people who walk in on debates with me >.>
[04:59] <BiosElement> And then side with me haha
[05:16] <dmcglone> me?
[05:17] <dmcglone> lol
[05:17] <dmcglone> I'll never side with you muah-hahahaha
[05:17] <Unit193> It's best not to...
[05:21] <dmcglone> I only side with 3 people
[05:21] <dmcglone> me, myself and I
[05:21] <dmcglone> ;-)
[05:21] <Unit193> Is that so?
[05:28] <dmcglone> yup
[05:29] <dmcglone> Well I'm gonna hit the hay guys
[05:29] <dmcglone> I'll talk to everyone later
[05:29] <Unit193> Good sleep!
[05:29] <dmcglone> night all
[05:29] <Unit193> later!
[05:29] <dmcglone> later :-)
[17:30] <Unit193> Good Morning Dave
[17:45] <canthus13> Goodbye, HAL.
[17:47] <canthus13> http://kmandla.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/txt-hal.png
[17:49] <Unit193> VLC has ACII output...
[17:49] <Unit193> canthus13: know anything about DSL? (basics?)
[18:14] <canthus13> A little. What's up?
[18:35] <Unit193> If your having modem issues (never worked) then you would call the help desk and tell them your the MAC address of the modem?
[18:42] <canthus13> They should know the address of the Modem.
[18:42] <Unit193> I don't think he got the modem from AT&T
[18:42] <canthus13> They might want to know the MAC of the machine connected to it, though, just to verify that what you have is what they're seeing on their end.
[18:42] <canthus13> Oh.  The modem may not be registered on their network.
[18:43] <canthus13> Not sure if DSL requires that or not.
[18:43] <canthus13> Our network won't allow a foreign modem to connect unless it's been registered in our system.
[18:43] <canthus13> But ours is a DOCSIS 3.0 cable plant, not DSL, so I dunno if that's different.
[18:44] <Unit193> We have RR (the guy setting up called in the MAC), so I don't know how DLS works....
[18:47] <canthus13> I'm pretty sure AT&T allows you to use your own modem, so I doubt it's a security check.
[18:49]  * Cheri703 has an at&t modem that needs a new home
[18:51] <canthus13> Dumpsters are very inviting homes for AT&T equipment.
[18:51] <Cheri703> true
[18:52] <BiosElement> So are fire pits...
[18:59] <canthus13> Heh.
[19:05] <canthus13> Oh. Woohoo. My wife got my old HP laptop repaired. :)  And it runs cooler than ever before.
[23:23] <dmcglone> Hi everyone
[23:23] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone
[23:24] <dmcglone> what ya doing?
[23:24] <Unit193> sftping stuff to Zeta
[23:24] <Unit193> playing with VLC -I ncurses
[23:25] <dmcglone> I see
[23:25] <dmcglone> having fun?
[23:26] <Unit193> doesn't play on this end... :)
[23:26] <Unit193> are you?
[23:27] <dmcglone> you said you were playing with VLC
[23:28] <Unit193> yes....
[23:28] <dmcglone> then you said you don't play
[23:28] <dmcglone> you got me confused?
[23:28] <Unit193> ncurses = SSH GUI
[23:30] <Unit193> Only thing left - figure out how to unlock xscreensaver by SSH


[00:08] <Brainstorm> 🌏 ভূমিকম্প! Earthquake! 4.8 Mb tremor, registered by alomax, occurred 11 minutes ago (23:57:15 UTC), during daytime, on land, Sonārgaon, Bangladesh (23.79, 90.57), ↓33 km likely felt 170 km away (in ঢাকা, টঙ্গী, নারায়ণগঞ্জ, তারাবো, নরসিংদী, বন্দর…) by 26.0 million people  - important: [... want %more?]
[00:14] <Brainstorm> 📉 ভূমিকম্প 4.4 Mb tremor, registered by KOERI,NEIC,alomax, occurred 17 minutes ago (23:57:08 UTC), during daytime, on land, Dhaka, Bangladesh (23.63, 90.35) ± 14 km likely felt 80 km away (in ঢাকা, নারায়ণগঞ্জ, সাভার, টঙ্গী, টঙ্গীবাড়ী, বন্দর…) by 24.4 million people  - important: [... want %more?]
[05:49] <pavlushka> %quake
[05:50] <Brainstorm> pavlushka, Last reports: 6.8 M, 05:42 UTC on land, Suzu, Japan (37.5, 137.3), ↓10 km felt to 490 km (in 珠洲市, 能登町, 富山市, 輪島市…) by 1.4 million – intensity: Shindo 7  - important: https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1643764418075938817


[00:59] <mup> PR snapd#10561 closed: tests: revert revert manual lxd removal <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10561>
[05:09] <mborzecki> morning
[06:04] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[06:05] <mardy> mborzecki: do I understand it correctly, that goland does not have an equivalent for the C assert() macro? That is, something that panics when running tests, but is invisible in production
[06:06] <mborzecki> mardy: there's no such thing
[06:09] <mardy> I see, OK :-)
[06:31] <mborzecki> mardy: you could probably come up with something that uses build tags, but i'm not sure it's worth it
[06:51] <mborzecki> yay, remodel tests are working again now
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning
[07:24] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:36] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[07:45] <mborzecki> hmm can the managers suite fake store effectively sumilate a case where the revision of a snap in the channel we want to refresh from is the same as currently installed?
[07:45] <mvo> hey mborzecki
[07:46] <mvo> mborzecki: uh, IDK :(
[07:47] <mborzecki> mvo: it's probbaly an edge case, but for uc20 remodel there's downloads-and-checks-edge that we look for in the task sets, so in case the revision of a snap in the new channel is the same, there would be no update, so no downloads edge at all, but only time i've hit this is with actual store ;)
[07:50] <mborzecki> i think that the problem has been there since 2019 😉 but with uc18 remodels it was not possible to trogger it
[07:50] <mborzecki> as we always defaulted to the same risk as before, even when switching tracks
[07:51] <pstolowski> mborzecki: is it using fakeStore or something else?
[07:52] <mborzecki> pstolowski: no there's a mock store in baseMgrsSuite
[07:52] <mborzecki> uhh, damn i'm late, an errand back in 30
[07:58] <mardy> pstolowski, mvo: hi!
[07:59] <mardy> mborzecki: do you have a minute to look at this spread failure? It's about arch and quota :-) https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10762/checks?check_run_id=3564511878
[07:59] <mup> PR #10762: o/servicestate: Update task summary for restart action <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10762>
[08:05] <pstolowski> mborzecki: it's hard to tell by just glancing over the code but you may need to investigate newestThatCanRead() and the loop around for _, a := range input.Actions { .. in the mockServer
[08:42] <mborzecki> re
[09:06] <mardy> mvo: do you mind if I do some minor squashing of the commits in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10653?
[09:06] <mup> PR #10653: mount-control: step 1 <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10653>
[09:07] <mvo> mardy: totally fine
[09:07] <mvo> mardy: if it's fully ready and all points are addressed I think it's fine to do this
[09:08] <mborzecki> mardy: hm systemd ran out of memory?
[09:11] <mardy> mborzecki: I'm not sure I know how to read that log: it says "systemd invoked oom-killer", so maybe the killed process is another one?
[09:13] <mborzecki> mardy: hmm `Memory cgroup stats for /snap.top.slice/snap.top-sub2.slice:` so probably the snap that was installed as part of the test, systemd forks it and sets up the limits before execing, but probably triggers oom after it configured the memory controller
[09:13] <mborzecki> mardy: otoh isn't the intention of the test to actually cause this?
[09:31] <mardy> mmm... let me look
[09:39] <mardy> mborzecki: I guess you know more about cgroups quotas and how systemd handles them, but here I do not see anything in the test that should trigger an OOM; do you?
[09:39] <mardy> (and if so, shouldn't we see the same error on other distros too?)
[09:42] <mborzecki> mardy: the test verifies memory quota control of snaps, iirc once quota is applied there's a systemctl restart
[09:42] <mborzecki> (if there was no quota before)
[09:42] <mborzecki> so that would check out, there's top.sub2 slice whic would get 5000B of quota 😛 sounds too little for anything to work
[09:44] <mardy> mborzecki: yes, the quota is very small, but I don't see that we are running any process inside it
[09:45] <mborzecki> clearly systemd (or a fork of it) was inside the slice at the time
[09:46] <mardy> mborzecki: OK. So, if you think that getting an OOM in this test should not make it fail, I'll try to add a flag so that the restore scripts will skip the OOM check for this test. Does it sounds OK to you?
[09:48] <mborzecki> mardy: could also be a bug in system or sth ;)
[09:48] <mborzecki> mardy: take a look at the oom information: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YB5xpM5FYR/ command is systemd, pid is 1, how com it's associated with this slice?
[09:50] <mardy> mborzecki: yes, it's strange: it also says "Out of memory and no killable processes...", and this seems correct, because indeed we didn't create any process
[09:50] <mborzecki> mardy: and it wouldn't kill pid 1 either i presume
[09:53] <mardy> mborzecki: indeed; so, as you say, it could be that systemd was inside the group, triggered the OOM, but the kernel refused to kill it
[09:54] <mborzecki> mardy: can you run it manually with spread, if it fails see what cgorup pid 1 is in? cat /proc/1/cgroup should only show the /init.scope and that's it
[10:23] <mardy> from inside a spread machine, is there a way to run a test case?
[10:32] <pstolowski> mardy: spread -debug google:ubuntu-18.04-64:tests/main/<specific test> ?
[10:32] <mborzecki> mardy: do you ahve a debug shell? or otherwise you can try spread -shell-before ... and then you can execute step by step the test
[10:32] <pstolowski> mardy: when it fails you'll be dropped into the shell on the machine and can investigate
[10:51] <mardy> pstolowski, mborzecki: yes, I added an "exit 1" at the end of the test, then I ran the spread with "-debug", but now I want to run the test again; is there a way to do it, without having to restart spread?
[11:05] <pstolowski> hmm evey time I run tests on master I got go.mod updated with +       gopkg.in/yaml.v3 v3.0.0-20210107192922-496545a6307b
[11:05] <pstolowski> *every
[11:05] <pstolowski> should this change land or did i miss something?
[11:06] <pstolowski> it actually replaces same dependency but with // indirect
[11:31] <mardy> pstolowski: here too
[11:31] <mardy> mborzecki: from Russia with love: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10764 :-)
[11:31] <mup> PR #10764: tests: allow spread tests to skip the OOM test <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10764>
[11:31] <mup> PR snapd#10764 opened: tests: allow spread tests to skip the OOM test <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10764>
[11:32] <mardy> oh wait, I left a debug message in it :-)
[11:33] <mborzecki> mardy: were you able to reproduce it?
[11:33] <mborzecki> pstolowski: yeah, looks like it's a dependency of configcore, i guess netplan? (cc mvo)
[11:34] <mborzecki> pstolowski: Y
[11:34] <mborzecki> pstolowski: heh, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5YGQcYJhVm/
[11:35] <pstolowski> mborzecki: oh nice, i didn't know go mod why
[11:41] <mardy> mborzecki: no, I ran parts of the test in a loop, but it never happened
[12:03] <mardy> mvo: can you please use your superpowers? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10653
[12:03] <mup> PR #10653: mount-control: step 1 <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10653>
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#10765 opened: o/snapstate: enforce validation sets/enforce on InstallMany <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10765>
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#10766 opened: update go.mod dependencies <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10766>
[12:23] <pstolowski> mvo, mborzecki ^
[12:31] <mardy> pstolowski: ah, the PR title :-)
[12:32] <pstolowski> mardy: doh.. yeah I was kinda expecting it ;)
[13:05] <jdstrand> degville: hey, I really like the new trend with interface docs of including a snippet of relevant policy, code examples and links to code :)
[13:07] <degville> jdstrand: lovely to hear from you! And thanks for the comment! I'd like to go through them all to use the same template.
[13:08] <jdstrand> degville: that's a fair amount of work, but I think the transparency would be welcome. +1 :)
[13:51] <pstolowski> mvo: ok to land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10766 ?
[13:51] <mup> PR #10766: go: update go.mod dependencies <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10766>
[13:57] <mup> PR snapd#10697 closed: o/snapstate: enforce validation sets on snap install <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10697>
[14:11] <mvo> pstolowski: sure
[14:12] <pstolowski> thx
[14:12] <mup> PR snapd#10766 closed: go: update go.mod dependencies <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10766>
[14:57] <pgnd> I've a bunch of snaps installed.  In my snaplist I've got multiple versions of common/framework snaps that were installed as, I assume, dependencies of one/more of 'my' snaps.
[14:57] <pgnd> E.g., I've got core/core18/core20 & gnome-3-28-1804/gnome-3-34-1804 installed.
[14:57] <pgnd> How do I get the dependency tree out of my snap list?  Specifically, what's requiring each of those, and ... can I remove any of them without destructively uninstalling another snap, config, etc?
[15:07] <mup> PR snapd#10767 opened: o/snapstate: only conflict with runnable and relevant tasks <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10767>
[15:33]  * cachio lunch
[15:37] <mup> PR snapd#10768 opened: daemon: amend ssh keys coming from the store <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10768>
[15:42] <mup> PR snapd#10653 closed: mount-control: step 1 <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10653>
[15:42] <mup> PR snapd#10718 closed: tests/lib/prepare.sh: download core20 for UC20 runs via BASE_CHANNEL <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10718>
[15:42] <mup> PR snapd#10761 closed: o/snapstate: optimize conflicts around snaps stored on conditional-auto-refresh task <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10761>
[17:50] <Led-Hed> I'm having trouble booting UC20 on a Fitlet2 (x86/AMD64), It encrypts the drives upon installation, but when it boots the first time it fails to unlock the disks, saying: cannot activate with TPN sealed key.  Can you provide some pointers on how to troubleshoot this? What log files should I be looking at (and how do I get to them, since it doesn't completely boot)? Thanks.
[18:01] <ogra> Led-Hed, check the forum, i think there are hints how to flush the TPM and such (see channel topic for the link)
[18:02] <Led-Hed> @orga, thanks
[18:02] <Led-Hed> sorry, ogra
[18:03] <ogra> 🙂
[18:17] <Led-Hed> I found these 2 forum posts, but they seem to be building a custom image.  Perhaps the 'breakage' referenced in the 2nd post is what I'm suffering from.
[18:17] <Led-Hed> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/debugging-installation-issue-with-secured-image/25970
[18:17] <Led-Hed> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/debugging-installation-issue-with-secured-image/25970
[18:17] <Led-Hed> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/changes-in-shim-signed-packaging-and-breakages-in-uc20-secured-grade-model-images-on-amd64/25983
[20:53] <mup> PR snapd#10769 opened: tests: update test nested tool part 2 <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10769>
[21:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#3579 closed: snap: move base to core20 (CRAFT-509) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3579>


[12:27] <mechpilotace> morning yall
[14:26] <cmaloney> morning. How's the day so far?
[14:29] <mechpilotace> eh its going alright, excited for when work's over and the MUG meeting
[15:20] <cmaloney> heh
[15:20] <cmaloney> https://www.mug.org/2021/02/february-9th-2021-mug-meeting/?civiwp=CiviCRM&q=civicrm%2Fevent%2Finfo&reset=1&id=114
[22:40] <Scary_Guy> https://github.com/DrDeke/dte_plan_analyzer


[00:15] <zoie> i followed step by step this how to (using audacity instead of sound recorder, but it's still flat :() http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440833
[00:46] <andybrine> evening
[00:46] <andybrine> just out of interest, does anyone know how to install lotus symphony on 64 bit ubuntu?
[00:46] <andybrine> having real difficulties here
[01:07] <Scunizi> I am trying to rip cd's using Dolphin and its built in ability.  It does present me with several directories of different file types ie ogg, mp3, wave etc.. but when enterning the mp3 directory it is no longer displaying the song files even after 10 minutes of "Loading Folder"... any help appriciated..
[01:20] <timberwolf> My cursor freezes after log in on a non root account
[01:20] <timberwolf> how do I fix this?
[01:35] <timberwolf> anybody?
[01:37] <user94202> Question about the KDE menu.   How do I arrange the games in alphabetical order?
[01:37] <user94202> i have over 100 games but I want the listed alphabetically .
[01:45] <chemtail> network management was working fine two days ago, i turn off the laptop, come home and plug it in, and network manager never seems to send dhcp requests any more
[01:45] <chemtail> i can do 'dhclient eth0' just fine manually, everything works, but the network manager widget just hangs there in the connecting state forever
[01:46] <chemtail> which is really annoying with things like pidgin with built-in NM support, because it flat out refuses to connect to anything as long as it's in that state
[01:46] <chemtail> any ideas how I fix this?
[01:46] <chemtail> already tried removing and re-adding the widget, restarting the underlying services, even rebooting.  nada.
[01:50] <user94202> chemtail:  Maybe add "dhclient eth0" to one of your startup scripts
[01:50] <user94202> at the end of the bootup process somewhere.
[01:50] <frogonwheels> chemtail: has the network manager got stuck as 'disabled' ?
[01:51] <chemtail> frogonwheels: nope.  i've tried disabling and re-enabling it a few times just in case, though.
[01:51] <chemtail> user94202: i've considered a few hackarounds like that, but i'd really, really rather not use them
[01:52] <chemtail> it's an ugly fix.
[01:52] <chemtail> and much as i hate network manager, it's unfortunately the default/standard, so i'd rather just fix it so the setup i have now will work elsewhere later
[01:52] <frogonwheels> chemtail: look in cat /var/run/network/   for stuff
[01:53] <frogonwheels> erm ign th cat.. but you know what i mean
[01:53] <chemtail> not much there :|
[01:57] <user94202> Question 2:   How do I make "Applications" the first TAB in the menu  (NOT favourites).
[01:58] <timberwolf> My cursor freezes after log in on a non root account, how do I fix this?
[02:01] <user94202> timberwolf..  I had my cursor dissapear so i removed "unclutter" and fixed the problem.  sudo apt-get remove unclutter
[02:02] <user94202> or possibly adjust settings in power management
[02:02] <timberwolf> let me try that.
[02:02] <timberwolf> it said it wasn't installed
[02:03] <timberwolf> I have kubuntu 12.10
[02:03] <user94202> ok.. Looks like a different cause then
[02:03] <timberwolf> it is there I just can't move it.
[02:04] <user94202> is the system frozen or just the pointer only?
[02:04] <timberwolf> just the pointer
[02:04] <timberwolf> I have to use the keyboard to log out.
[02:05] <timberwolf> But when I log in as root my cursor works fine
[02:05] <timberwolf> I tried creating a new account to see if it was just that account, but it locked up too
[02:07] <timberwolf> I'm going to change IRC clients
[02:09] <Timberwolf> any other Ideas?
[02:15] <user94202> Timbewolf,  did the mouse pointer always freeze from the time you installed kubuntu?
[02:15] <Timberwolf> no
[02:15] <user94202> at what point did it start freezing?  Recall what you did?
[02:16] <Timberwolf> it happened right after closing EVE Online in wine
[02:16] <Timberwolf> at first I thought it was just my main account
[02:17] <Timberwolf> but it turned out all non root acounts after I did some tests
[02:17] <Timberwolf> I removed my main account and readded it first
[02:17] <Timberwolf> then I created an account with a whole new name
[02:18] <quesada> any way to do a drag lock? Using a trackball to scroll
[02:18] <quesada>  I'd like to program a button to lock the ball in scroll mode
[02:20] <user94202> Timberwolf, since it froze from the time you played eve online,   did you install anything that might have corrupted the system?
[02:20] <Timberwolf> no
[02:21] <Timberwolf> I closed the eve client and as it was closing I was able to move my mouse 50 pixals or so then it just freezes
[02:22] <Timberwolf> and when I log in it freezes after about 1 second
[02:24] <user94202> hmm..who knows?   I would run a dependancy check on my system with "sudo apt-get check" or possibly remove the whole wine subsystem..
[02:24] <Timberwolf> I tried the removing wine thing, no luck
[02:25] <Timberwolf> root@PAT-PC:~# apt-get check
[02:25] <Timberwolf> Reading package lists... Done
[02:25] <Timberwolf> Building dependency tree
[02:25] <Timberwolf> Reading state information... Done
[02:25] <FloodBotK1> Timberwolf: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:27] <Timberwolf> thats all it said
[02:28] <user94202> Timberwolf... could be anything...Any experts here??  Disk errors can cause random problems with the desktop so I run a disk check (use a live cd for that).
[02:30] <Timberwolf> ok
[02:32] <user94202> Timberwolf,  process of elimination i suppose to pinpoint the problem.
[02:33] <user94202> sudo dpkg --configure -a      (perhaps??)
[02:33] <user94202> make sure desktop isn't locked???
[02:33] <Timberwolf> I am going to try running a disk check from the hard drive
[02:43] <Timberwolf> Pass completed, 1 bad blocks found. (1/0/0 errors)
[02:52] <user94202> Timberwolf..  Working after a reboot??
[02:53] <Timberwolf> no have not rebooted
[02:53] <Timberwolf> it found a "bad block"
[04:03] <Tex_Nick> i'm not running kubuntu, but i'd like to know if the smb.conf file would be found in /etc/samba/ on kubuntu
[04:04] <Tm_T> Tex_Nick: it is
[04:04] <Tex_Nick> Tm_T : hey thanks
[04:57] <Timberwolf> I cant figure out how to run fsck on my hd from the kubuntu live cd
[05:06] <heoyea> mount ur drive
[05:06] <heoyea> then run it
[05:06] <Timberwolf> the live cd wouldnt let me
[05:07] <Timberwolf> mount i mean
[05:07] <heoyea> try sudo with it
[05:07] <Timberwolf> i did
[05:07] <DaZ> what's up :v
[05:08] <heoyea> errors?
[05:08] <Timberwolf> I dont remember what it said
[05:08] <Timberwolf> I just need to do a disk check
[05:10] <heoyea> well u need to mount ur drive
[05:10] <Timberwolf> I ran across something that said I could run init 1 then unmount to run it without a live cd
[05:10] <Timberwolf> but init 1 just locked my pc up
[05:12] <heoyea> try booting into recovery mode
[05:12] <Timberwolf> then run the command?
[05:12] <heoyea> ye
[05:12] <Timberwolf> ok
[07:01] <user94202> How do I enable random screensavers.  All I get is black screen.
[07:04] <user94202> also OpenGL for effects rendering crashes the system
[07:06] <sbivol> user94202: you probably have some issues with the fraphics driver
[07:06] <sbivol> what video card are you using?
[07:07] <sbivol> s/fraphics/graphics
[07:08] <user94202> Video card:  GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x   (I'm using open source driver included with kubuntu).
[07:10] <user94202> Interesting...When I set the screensave to enable in 1 minute it works fine.  But 15minutes gives me a black screen.
[07:12] <user94202> < Set screensaver to start in 9 minutes.  waiting...
[07:17] <sbivol> user94202: Try switching the compositing backend to XRender from OpenGL
[07:17] <sbivol> some effects will work then
[07:19] <OerHeks> user94202, check energy saving > dim display
[07:20] <sbivol> user94202: if I'm not mistaken, your card might not support OpenGL 2 and KWin is not happy to run with  OpenGL 1. I could be wrong, but anyway, try XRender
[07:22] <user94202> Yes i selected xrender as it refused to use openGL anyway.  I lost my transparent taskbar and random screensavers.
[07:23] <user94202> OerHeks, I have "dim display" disabled
[07:24] <user94202> As stated, it could be a conflict with my old video card.  But if i can get random xscreensavers working that's fine.
[07:25] <user94202> I don't like a black screensaver because it looks like the PC has shutdown.  (prefer random animations).
[07:42] <user94202> random screensavers now work with 9 minutes delay.
[07:44] <Wizard> Good morning, everybody :)
[08:36] <Thundarr> I have decided I like you people the most of all clan buntus.
[08:36] <OerHeks> :-)
[08:37] <Thundarr> I pledge my sword to you.
[08:41] <jussi> Thundarr: come join us in #kubuntu-offtopic to talk about it :D
[09:21] <reiz> helo
[09:21] <reiz> hi
[09:56] <azrael_> Hi, Could anyone help me? Because I've a Atheros AR9285 Wireless controller, which has some signal power problems, I had to use the compat wireless driver. I  installed this group di drivers but the problems are not solved and the VGA drivers don't work! In fact the resolution is low and I think there are some problems loading the relative module.
[10:17] <user94202> "something" keeps putting my monitor into standby when screensavers should be running.
[10:17] <user94202> screensaver works briefly, then blanks out.
[10:30] <Kalidarn> is it possible to use Ayatana in KDE?
[10:30] <Kalidarn> or is there a proper way to do this native to KDE (not using the Ayatana scrollbars project)
[10:31] <Kalidarn> I really miss those minimalistic, bars that I have on my mac
[10:38] <Wizard> Kalidarn: You can either look for Qt theme with such scrollbars, or edit Oxygen properties.
[10:39] <Wizard> It is possible to make scrollbars thinner for sure, I bet you can also disable arrows.
[10:39] <Kalidarn> yeah i think that's what is required
[10:39] <Wizard> Start with Oxygen props.
[10:45] <soie> how can i record a video on my desktop?
[10:48] <Kevin-Emsys> soie: a regular screen capturer would do. A good one i used in the past for making videos is FRAPS but it's not free.
[10:48] <soie> Kevin-Emsys: i'm looking for a free/opensource one
[10:49] <Wizard> soie: xvidcap was nice.
[10:49] <Wizard> I used it.
[10:49] <Kevin-Emsys> Have you seen this one soie ? http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/10-free-screen-recording-softwares-for-creating-attractive-screencasts/
[10:50] <soie> thanks, nice
[11:00] <user94202> Is it ok to disable power management on a desktop pc?
[11:00] <user94202> disable power management service?
[11:14] <swarfega> user94202 i just disable what i need in system settings - energy saving
[11:17] <user94202> swarfega:  I found another method in the terminal:  xset -dpms   (disables energy star features) and i set monitor dimming to 360 minutes.  Will test it later.
[11:17] <swarfega> ah cool
[11:17] <swarfega> i prefer to turn monitors off myself rather than the machine do it
[11:32] <azrael_> Hi, Could anyone help me? Because I've a Atheros AR9285 Wireless controller, which has some signal power problems, I had to use the compat wireless driver. I  installed this group di drivers but the problems are not solved and the VGA drivers don't work! In fact the resolution is low and I think there are some problems loading the relative module.
[11:51] <vince__> hi there! does any of you have ever run a DisplayLink adapter on natty ?
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:18] <Syria> :|
[12:19] <Syria> wq
[14:25] <jeroen-> Sorry if this question is asked 1 million times, but: Is Kubuntu now supported by Canonical or Blue Systems?
[14:25] <jeroen-> On the Kubuntu website I still see Canonical
[14:32] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, Blue Systems
[14:33] <jeroen-> BluesKaj:  OK thanks, but why do I still read Canonical on the website?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, probly because the ubuntu core is still canonical , and bluesystems supports kubuntu , which is the ubuntu core with the kde desktop ...it's more complex than that , but simply put that's the best description I can think of.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems
[14:38] <jeroen-> BluesKaj:  Ok thanks.
[14:44] <jeroen-> Looking for a KDE distro. Currently running Ubuntu. I'm currently in doubt between Mint KDE and Kubuntu. Any advice? What's the difference between those two btw? I see Kubuntu is more a vanilla KDE install. Is that all?
[14:45] <OerHeks> You might want to choose by support :-)
[14:46] <jeroen-> OerHeks:  You mean paid support or a larger support community?
[14:46] <mr-rich> jeroen-: Kubuntu uses the same rebos as Ubuntu ...
[14:46] <OerHeks> Large active community support yes
[14:47] <OerHeks> mntkde<>kubuntu
[14:47] <jeroen-> OerHeks:  so the kubuntu community is bigger as mintkde?
[14:48] <jeroen-> than
[14:48] <OerHeks> Yes, i think so.
[14:48] <OerHeks> but hey, try it and investigate what is working good for you
[14:50] <jeroen-> OerHeks:  they both look good
[14:50] <BluesKaj> jer , judging from the linuxmint chat population then kubuntu has over 5 times the support population
[14:50] <BluesKaj> jeroen-,^
[14:50] <jeroen-> Let me ask the same question in the mintkde chat ;)
[14:51] <OerHeks> my best advise, also with ubuntu desktops, install side/by/side
[14:51] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, I can imagine what the reaction will be :)
[14:51] <OerHeks> or be smart, run virtualbox :-)
[14:51] <jeroen-> BluesKaj:  yes, thats why I also asked in #kde :)
[16:05] <Peace-> paco_: hi
[16:05] <paco_> hi Peace
[16:06] <paco_> alguien habla español?
[16:08] <Peace-> !es | paco
[16:09] <paco_> ok gracias ubottu
[16:25] <jessie> So, I installed mysql yesterday and now Akonadi is refusing to start. I get this error: http://paste.kde.org/636596/
[16:30] <jessie> And by installed mysql I mean I ran "sudo apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server libmysqld-dev"
[16:38] <yossarianuk> is kde 4.9.5 coming to the kubuntu ppa ?
[16:39] <jessie> Which PPA?
[16:39] <jessie> Because I already have 4.9.5
[16:39] <yossarianuk> the latest stable opne
[16:39] <yossarianuk> *one*
[16:40] <yossarianuk> i.e   -  ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[16:40] <yossarianuk> right now its on 4.9.4
[16:40] <yossarianuk> 4.9.5 came out a day or so ago
[16:40] <jessie> I would guess so, but I am unsure.
[16:40] <jessie> I'm on the beta ppa.
[16:41] <yossarianuk> so your running 4.9.10 beta ?
[16:41] <yossarianuk> sorry 4.10 beta
[16:43] <jessie> Yeah, I guess that's probably accurate. 4.10 RC2 is what it is, I think.
[16:46] <DarthFrog> Isn't 4.9.95 the current beta version?
[16:48] <jessie> My version says 4.9.95.
[16:48] <jessie> And that's the 4.10 beta.
[16:51] <Basil1x> OK... more weirdness involving sound.  12.10.  Says I have removed my CONEXANT sound card, and do I want to remove the drivers for it, This is a laptop, and I have done no such thing.  After this, though, the sound obviously does not work.  Is this an 'open the case' issue, or a software fix?
[16:51] <DarthFrog> Basil1x:  Likely it's pulseaudio taking control.
[16:52] <Basil1x> OK.  but the sound does not work.
[16:53] <Basil1x> I do not care what controls the audio, only that I have it.
[16:53] <DarthFrog> Pulse is great when it works.  Pulse is a PITA when it doesn't.
[16:54] <Basil1x> Lovely.  Is there a fix?  or am I to be forever rebooting for the ~25min-1hr of blessed sound it allows me?
[16:55] <Basil1x> This just started a week or so ago
[16:55] <DarthFrog> What happens at that time?
[16:55] <Basil1x> nothing at all.  Just installed the regular upgrades.
[16:56] <DarthFrog> And it deletes the sound card drivers?
[16:56] <Basil1x> Have tried a fresh install since, which did *not* improve things
[16:56] <DarthFrog> Until you reboot?
[16:56] <Basil1x> I told it not to, and to quit asking
[16:56] <DarthFrog> Well, you could try installing pavucontrol and use that to set your output device, etc.
[16:56] <Basil1x> yes until I reboot
[16:56] <DarthFrog> Odd.
[16:57] <Basil1x> Yes, odd... and demmed irritating
[16:57] <Basil1x> lemme see... pavucontrol, you say.
[16:58] <DarthFrog> It's what I use.
[16:59] <Basil1x> already installed
[16:59] <DarthFrog> Then run it. :-)
[17:00] <Basil1x> It insists all is right with the world
[17:01] <Basil1x> but then, for now, I have sound
[17:01] <Basil1x> should I break the sound, and then run it again?  Easily done... all I hafta do is sit and wait.
[17:02] <jessie> So, I guess no one saw my question earlier, so I'll ask again: I installed mysql yesterday and now Akonadi is refusing to start. I get this error: http://paste.kde.org/636596/
[17:04] <Basil1x> jessie: do you run bleachbit?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> Basil1x, which soundcard ?
[17:04] <Basil1x> bcos it looks like you've removed the .conf file to me
[17:05] <Basil1x> CONEXANT sound card
[17:05] <jessie> I've checked the .conf file. It's there.
[17:05] <jessie> Contents of mysql.conf file: http://paste.kde.org/636662/
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Basil1x, which audio chip is listed in alsamixer at the upper left ?
[17:06] <Basil1x> HDA Intel PCH
[17:10] <BluesKaj> Basil1x, try adding your audio driver with root permissions , to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , 'options snd-hda-intel index=0' , without the quotes . This should solidify your alsa module settings on the next reboot.
[17:12] <Basil1x> BluesKaj: Should that go top or bottom of the options?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> Basil1x, just at the bottom of file is sufficient
[17:14] <BluesKaj> it makes the hda kernel module the default (card0)
[17:14] <Basil1x> Won't save
[17:15] <BluesKaj> open it with root permissions
[17:16] <Basil1x> so sudo kate it?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> sudo nano in the terminal or kdesudo kate in the krunner (alt+f2)
[17:17] <Wizard> kdesudo is better ;)
[17:17] <Wizard> (for GUI apps)
[17:19] <Basil1x> fabulous.  Now I should reboot, and try to break the sound?
[17:20] <diawara> hepl , I want to use Linux MCE
[17:20] <DarthFrog> diawara:  Then go to #Linux-MCE channel.
[17:21] <DarthFrog> This channel is for Kubuntu support.
[17:21] <Basil1x> brb
[17:21] <diawara> can you tell me how to instal un softwar
[17:22] <DarthFrog> diawara:  sudo apt-get remove <package name>
[17:22] <DarthFrog> Or use the Muon GUI.
[17:22] <diawara> DarthFrog  :can you tell me how to instal un softwar
[17:22] <DarthFrog> I just did.
[17:22] <diawara> i think its install
[17:23] <DarthFrog> Oh, install, not uninstall. :-)   Replace "remove" with "install" in the apt-get command.
[17:23] <DarthFrog> diawara: You can use the "apt-cache search <string>" to find package names.
[17:24] <Basil1x> OK... rebooted... now to try to break the sound
[17:25] <DarthFrog> Basil1x:  A good bout of percussive maintenance should do that.  :-)
[17:25] <diawara> DarthFrog :   ok LET ME TRY
[17:25] <diawara> DarthFrog  : IM COME
[17:25] <BluesKaj> or sudo modprobe sn-hda-intel
[17:25] <DarthFrog> diawara:  You have my permission to try.  :-)
[17:25] <diawara> ok THANK
[17:25] <BluesKaj> Basil1x,^
[17:25] <DarthFrog> snd-hda-intel
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yes , snd
[17:27] <Wizard> Hi o/
[17:27] <Wizard> (Again)
[17:27] <DarthFrog> Or "lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel" first to see if it was auto-loaded.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> I have 2 soundcards , so the pci is card0 or index=0 in the alsabase.conf , and intel onboard is index=1 for the hdmi audio
[17:28] <Wizard> Akonadi is driving me mad :D
[17:28] <BluesKaj> do you need a large email database Wizard?
[17:29] <diawara> OK , sooo tel how I can find Linux MCE ... ?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> GOOGLE diawara
[17:29] <Basil1x> seems to be working... will know in an hour.  that's when the sound usually fails
[17:29] <Wizard> No, I need to handle two IMAP accounts, BluesKaj :)
[17:30] <diawara> I'm mean use or instal
[17:30] <BluesKaj> sending or receiving Wizard?
[17:30] <Wizard> Both.
[17:30] <DarthFrog> Basil1x:  if sound fails, check the logs.  /var/log/messages, /var/log/kern.log & /var/log/syslog is where I'd start looking.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> can't thunderbird handle IMAP accts ?
[17:31] <DarthFrog> Yes it can.
[17:31] <Wizard> Yes, but I don't like it :/
[17:31] <DarthFrog> I've been using Gmail IMAP with Tbird for years.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> Wizard, do you like hair shirts too? :)
[17:32] <Basil1x> DarthFrog: Thanks.  Will do.  Will also buy an I dentical computer to this and see if it's a Toshiba problem. <I need another Laptop, anyway ;) >
[17:33] <BluesKaj> kmail/akonadi is too buggy on my system ..T-Bird handle 4 email accts here without a hitch including gmail/IMAP
[17:33] <DarthFrog> Basil1x:   And if the second one has the same problem?  Then you've got two unsatisfactory systems.
[17:34] <Wizard> Hair shirts?  Kmail was such a nice email client. And now? Every update does magic to my imap accounts.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> does magic ?
[17:35] <Wizard> Yeah, clones of my mailboxes appear and disappear and so.
[17:35] <DarthFrog> I gave up on Kmail due to its inability to properly handle HTML mail.
[17:35]  * Basil1x is good at returning things to stores
[17:35] <BluesKaj> ahh evil magic
[17:36] <Wizard> Yup.
[17:41] <kristjan> hello friends
[17:42] <kristjan> one newbe here tryng to merge 3 avi files into 1 file
[17:42] <kristjan> mencoder installed and useing terminal
[17:43] <kristjan> can anybody help me go thru this pain
[17:43] <kristjan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337234
[17:43] <kristjan> here is the instructions
[17:43] <kristjan> so i am ready
[17:44] <kristjan> if anyone is bored , plese help me
[17:45] <jdrs> easier way is to get ffmpeg, convert your .avi files to .mpg, then use cat command to concatenate them then convert the merged .mpg file to .avi
[17:45] <kristjan> yeah
[17:46] <kristjan> very easy for newbe
[17:46] <kristjan> is there any app that makes life easyer?
[17:47] <kristjan> i have problems with kdenlive
[17:51] <Wizard> What problems?
[17:53] <Basil1x> kristjan: I have had good results with mkvmerge GUI
[17:54] <Basil1x> kdenlive is a memory hog
[17:55] <kristjan> Basil1 where can i get that?
[17:56] <Basil1x> it's in the repositories...
[17:57] <Basil1x> make sure the avis are the same size and use the same audio before you use it, though, or else you'll have issues.
[17:58] <Basil1x> which, if you're trying to merge them, they should be already :)
[17:58] <kristjan> same size?
[17:59] <Basil1x> as in the video has the same aspect ratio and pixel number... like 640x480, or 640x360
[18:01] <kristjan> ok
[18:02] <Basil1x> Width height framerate and codec must all be the same :)
[18:02] <kristjan> yes they should be same
[18:03] <Basil1x> then you're laughing.
[18:03] <Basil1x> be sure to, after you add the files, join them
[18:04] <Basil1x> use 'append' rather than 'add
[18:04] <kristjan> i messed up my first try but will see whats gonna hapend now
[18:06] <kristjan> Error: The track number 1 from the file '/home/kristjan/Desktop/MOV_0123.avi' cannot be appended to the track number 1 from the file '/home/kristjan/Desktop/MOV_0121.avi'. The track parameters do not match.
[18:07] <Basil1x> OK... you've got either a codec difference, or an audio difference... run the files through Handbrake and make them identical first. :)
[18:10] <kristjan> dimentions are the same
[18:10] <Basil1x> are the audio properties the same?  Track 1 is usually audio
[18:11] <kristjan> bitrate is different
[18:13] <Basil1x> OK... I'd recommend Handbrake... does a fast, good job remuxing files. in terminal: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:stebbins/handbrake-releases
[18:13] <kristjan> i have it installed
[18:13] <Basil1x> then sudo apt-get update
[18:13] <Basil1x> and install handbrake :)
[18:14] <kristjan> i installed it last week
[18:14] <Basil1x> ah
[18:14] <Basil1x> excellent
[18:14] <kristjan> yeah
[18:14] <kristjan> hope i can use it after this chat
[18:15] <kristjan> i know how to use it
[18:15] <kristjan> i hope i know how to use it
[18:15] <kristjan> now i got it right
[18:15] <Basil1x> OK... just make sure everything is the same in all 3 files before you append them
[18:16] <kristjan> Ok i changed bitrate but how to i save it now
[18:17] <Basil1x> press start
[18:18] <Basil1x> OH... did you make mkvs or mp4s?  mkvs are more easily appended.
[18:18] <kristjan> mkv
[18:18] <Basil1x> good
[18:21] <nafg_> KDE regularly falls back to xrender. When it does, translucency turns into transparency. Any solution?
[18:26] <Basil1x> nafg_: that's a question for other minds than me... I can handle muxing questions, and that's about all. :)  someone else here will hafta help you.
[18:27] <Basil1x> kristjan: how's the recoding going?
[18:27] <kristjan> ou sorry  :) i got so into this
[18:28] <kristjan> belive it or not its all done
[18:28] <kristjan> thank you
[18:28] <Basil1x> ooh!  it worked?
[18:28] <kristjan> yes
[18:28] <Basil1x> goodoh
[18:28] <kristjan> really big thanks to you
[18:29] <Basil1x> mo problem... my kinda question :D
[18:29] <Basil1x> mo = no
[18:29] <kristjan> lucky u was here
[18:29] <Basil1x> apparently, I can't type today, though
[18:30] <Basil1x> lucky I had an audio problem today ;)
[18:41] <Basil1x> OK... that's me off... dad's interrment is today.
[18:41] <Basil1x> TTFN o//
[19:13] <Basil1x> OK... sound's gone again
[19:13] <Basil1x> I fear this is a real hardware problem
[19:17] <Basil1x> alsamixer detects the card, says everything should be working, but still no sound
[19:18] <Basil1x> should I take this thing in to MicroCenter, or are there still things to try?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> is this a laptop , Basil1x ?
[19:20] <Basil1x> it is
[19:21] <Basil1x> I'd have already had it apart and inspected the innards, else.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> then maybe your power /sleep settings are shutting the audio power down , somehow
[19:24] <Basil1x> I have it set to never, ever, ever, sleep at all, no matter what, period. :)
[19:27] <nafg_> How can I install linux on a machine without a cd or usb?
[19:28] <Basil1x> what *does* it have, nafg_?
[19:28] <Graf_Westerholt> nafg_, you can install it from network.
[19:28] <nafg_> Graf_Westerholt: how?
[19:28] <nafg_> netwrok boot?
[19:29] <nafg_> It has windows now
[19:29] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not know, never did. But I guess the Internet knows. ;)
[19:29] <nafg_> Any way to download it and begin the install from within windows?
[19:29] <Graf_Westerholt> nafg_, yes, you can do it.
[19:29] <nafg_> How?
[19:30] <Graf_Westerholt> But nevere did that either.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> wubi or a VM
[19:30] <Graf_Westerholt> Right, wubi is it :D
[19:30] <nafg_> Doesn't wubi install inside windows?
[19:30] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, don't you need to be able to run the ISO first?
[19:30] <nafg_> I want to make to replace windows
[19:30] <BluesKaj> nafg_, yes
[19:30] <Basil1x> OK... time to inter dad.  BBL
[19:31] <TheLordOfTime> for wubi.
[19:31] <BluesKaj> install wubi then , point wubi to the iso IIRC
[19:34] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, their goal is to remove windows, can they do that without USB or CD/DVD?
[19:36] <yofel> well, you could boot an ISO using PXE and tftp probably, but I've never tried that
[19:37] <BluesKaj> TheLordOfTime, I have no idea how one woiuld do that
[19:37] <TheLordOfTime> yofel, that's assuming the system supports PXE boot
[19:37] <TheLordOfTime> BluesKaj, nor I
[19:38] <genii-around> I've done it
[19:38] <yofel> well, yeah
[19:38] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around , LTNS ...ok how is it done ?
[19:38] <yofel> but you need to get the image from *somewhere*
[19:39] <genii-around> This site explains fairly well how to do it: https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install    it's what i used as a guideline previously
[19:43] <BluesKaj> genii-around, what media would he use to do this ...he wants to wipe windows but has no cdrom or usb
[19:44] <nafg_> This seems to be what I need: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[19:44] <nafg_> Frugal install
[19:46] <genii-around> BluesKaj: You d/l the iso image to another box, loop-mount it there and configure the pxeboot to use that. The box with PXE but no usb/cd is hooked by crossover or switch to this machine which does the dhcp/tftp booting sequence for it. You can even use a livecd on this other machine if it has Windows or some other OS you don't want to wipe
[19:48] <genii-around> If it's an extremely ancient machine with floppy and no PXE you can get it to do PXE with Rom-O-Matic floppy
[19:48] <BluesKaj> maybe the frugal method will work too
[19:49] <BluesKaj> or buy a usb stick or cdrom fpr 20 bucks :)
[19:53] <jeroen-> yeah I'm having kubuntu
[19:53] <jeroen-> great!!!
[19:54] <jeroen-> one important question: how to configure fonts and colourS?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, kmenu>computer>system settings>app appearance
[20:00] <Wizard> BluesKaj++
[20:00] <Wizard> Akonadi fighting part two.
[20:00] <jeroen-> got it
[20:01] <jeroen-> I did expected it under display and look & feel
[20:01] <jeroen-> anyhow, I'm very happy :)
[20:01] <jeroen-> looks great
[20:02] <BluesKaj> good :)
[20:02] <jeroen-> do not understand the activity manager
[20:02] <BluesKaj> nor do I :)
[20:02] <jeroen-> haha
[20:02] <jeroen-> yeah, better to delete the taskbar enrty
[20:02] <BluesKaj> seems like redundancy to me'
[20:03] <BluesKaj> I use the virtual desktops with their own widgets which means you can have differnt apps open on differnt frdktops
[20:03] <BluesKaj> err desktops
[20:04] <jeroen-> actually I stopped using virtual desktops years ago
[20:04] <jeroen-> I just keep everything clean
[20:04] <Wizard> I removed "three dot" icon. I use one desktop and icon only task manager. The best ;D
[20:04] <jeroen-> two, three task max
[20:05] <BluesKaj> I reinstalled windows on a spare hdd and I really miss that
[20:05] <jeroen-> what I always miss on windows is the middle click copy/paste function
[20:06] <Graf_Westerholt> What I miss on Windows is to drag Windows by holding the "alt"-key.
[20:06] <BluesKaj> jeroen-,_, set the number of VDs in systensettings>workspace behaviour
[20:07] <jeroen-> BluesKaj:  I did that the first time after I logged in :)
[20:08] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:09] <jeroen-> question about Style > Graphical effects: what does KDE think is a high/low resolution and a high/low CPU?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, that's also a mystery to me , no matter how I set that , there doesn't seem to be anu effect
[20:11] <BluesKaj> any
[20:11] <Wizard> Same observation.
[20:11] <jeroen-> I changed it now to high resolution (1920x1080) and high CPU (quatro core Intell i3-2100 CPU @3.10GHz)
[20:11] <jeroen-> or should I set it higher?
[20:11] <jeroen-> ok BluesKaj
[20:13] <BluesKaj> jeroen-, set your resolution in display & monitor
[20:15] <jeroen-> BluesKaj:  resolution is fine
[20:16] <BluesKaj> yes as opposed to application appearnce>fine tuning
[20:17] <Wizard> ::)
[20:43] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to adjust the sensitivity of the touchpad? It seems to be growing more and more prone to spurious clicks, to the point it is now completely unusable
[20:43] <ksiads> Quick question.  Which Linux to use for easiest file server connection to a Windows network?
[20:43] <CoJaBo> [ JoeAngel_       ] [ mrrothhcloud__  ] [ SamuraiGhost ] [ ubottu       ]
[20:43] <CoJaBo> 15:42 [ bazhang     ] [ eristikophiles ] [ JohnWayne_      ] [ msx             ] [ schmidtm     ] [ ubuntulog    ]
[20:43] <CoJaBo> 15:42 [ bbeck       ] [ eth7up         ] [ JonathanD       ] [ musca           ] [ SeaJey       ] [ Unit193      ]
[20:43] <CoJaBo> 15:42 [ Bigcheese   ] [ Exposure       ] [ JontheEchidna   ] [ mydogsnameisrudy] [ Sentynel     ] [ userlain     ]
[20:43] <FloodBotK1> CoJaBo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:43] <CoJaBo> 15:42 [ BIGIDIOT    ] [ felipe_        ] [ jotud           ] [ nafg_           ] [ Shaan7       ] [ V            ]
[20:43] <bazhang> CoJaBo, stop that
[20:47] <CoJaBo> so yeh, basically it does that every few seconds. ideas?
[20:47] <CoJaBo> (switched it off for now)
[20:48] <musca> ksiads: which answer do you expect in an ubuntu channel?
[20:49] <claire_> salut j'ai un problème avec les mises a jour ubuntu 10.04
[20:49] <CoJaBo> ksiads: The answer, I'd imagine, would be "all of them".
[20:51] <ksiads> Can you point me to an article that makes it "easy" to set up file sharing with Ubuntu?  Yes, I've Googled it, but I still can't crack it.
[20:51] <CoJaBo> As client or server?
[20:52] <ksiads> Client
[20:53] <CoJaBo> In Kubuntu, you just need to go to "Network" in the file manager
[20:54] <ksiads> OK, that's it.  I'm getting rid of my Ubuntu install and replacing it with Kubuntu.  K seems more Windows-friendly.
[20:55] <ksiads> I know they're sort of the same, but Kubuntu seems like it comes pre-installed for Windows users.  Is this correct?
[20:56] <mmo> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with a Windows friendly interface (KDE thats where the K in Kubuntu comes from)
[20:58] <mmo> If you're new to Linux, try the LTS (Long Term Support) versions. F.i. Kubuntu 12.04
[21:07] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to adjust the sensitivity of the touchpad? It seems to be growing more and more prone to spurious clicks, to the point it is now completely unusable
[22:09] <alexander__b> if I get a lts kubuntu, will installing the newest blender and gimp be hassle-free?
[22:10] <alexander__b> well, I won't be getting it for myself, but the question remains.
[22:14] <dougl> define "hassle-free"
[22:16] <alexander__b> dougl: it doesn't implode because you have to mix branches like in opensuse
[22:16] <alexander__b> well, blender was just impossible and had to be installed from the binary on the project page.
[22:44] <quesada>  any way to do a drag lock? Using a trackball to scroll? I'd like to program a button to lock the ball in scroll mode
[22:44] <quesada> kde has the most options, but I don't think I found this one :)
[22:46] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to adjust the sensitivity of the touchpad? It seems to be growing more and more prone to spurious clicks, to the point it is now completely unusable
[22:47] <alexander__b> how/where do I browse the repositories of kubuntu releases?
[22:57] <monkeyjuice> CoJaBo: hit the kickoff button then in the search type touchpad
[22:58] <CoJaBo> monkeyjuice: Theres no setting for sensitivity there
[23:01] <monkeyjuice> that would be the setting i know of CoJaBo
[23:01] <CoJaBo> :/
[23:04] <monkeyjuice> CoJaBo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/231425/how-do-i-decrease-touchpad-sensitivity-in-kde-kubuntu-on-dell-inspiron  might be something to read
[23:05] <m_tadeu> hi...nepomuk is not indexing pdf files...what can I do to solve this?
[23:06] <CoJaBo> monkeyjuice: ..none of the replies seem to answer the question :/
[23:58] <bjrohan> I am using kubuntu, and have created a new activity (called A/V). If I go into my system settings, and go to the global shortcuts, I can add a shortcut to the default "desktop" activity, I however don't see my new A/V activity listed to I can create a shortcut key. Any suggestions?