[12:11] <soulrider> theyre back
[12:11] <soulrider> THANK YOU!! <3
[12:12] <soulrider> all my work was there
[12:12] <Chousuke> heh
[12:12] <Chousuke> back up
[12:12] <Chousuke> :P
[12:12] <soulrider> im SO gonna back it up
[12:12] <Chousuke> on a separate machine if possible.
[12:12] <Chousuke> you never know when a hardrive fails.
[12:12] <Chousuke> or when a fire happens.
[12:12] <wildchild> can someone advice me how to install mic so I could talk by aMSN please?
[12:14] <_Shade_> i'm just doing dist upgrade as they say in the wiki. Can i close adept and then continue the process tomorrow since it's just downloading now ?
[12:15] <draik> Can Norton Ghost work on linux?
[12:16] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: yes
[12:17] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: just dist upgrade again tomorrow and it will continue from where it left off
[12:17] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: it will even continue from a half downloaded file
[12:18] <_Shade_> JohnFlux: you mean i have to  click "full upgrade" in adept, right ?
[12:18] <draik> Chousuke, my HDD is about to melt away soon
[12:18] <draik> Backup is my friend
[12:18] <wildchild> does anyone here use aMSN ???
[12:18] <ka6sox> wildchild, yes, but not the audio portion
[12:18] <wildchild> aha
[12:18] <_Shade_> because i am using adept right now, not cli
[12:18] <wildchild> :S
[12:19] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: right
[12:19] <wildchild> ka6sox which program do u use for audio cahtting
[12:19] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: the package thing is really solid now - it's been worked on for like 15 years now
[12:19] <ka6sox> skype
[12:20] <wildchild> ka6sox can I get it via adept?
[12:20] <ka6sox> probably not...
[12:20] <_Shade_> JohnFlux: that's fine... i hope it will work since it wasnt last time when i was about to perform dapper -> edgy knot3 update
[12:20] <thygrrr> Whats a good way to terminate & restart the X server when you can not interact with the screen or apps that are currently open?
[12:20] <Chousuke> draik: My HD melted a week ago
[12:20] <ka6sox> wildchild, probably from skype
[12:20] <poseidon> thygrr: ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:21] <thygrrr> poseidon, what does it do?
[12:21] <Chousuke> draik: I had no backups, but luckily important data was elsewhere :P
[12:21] <draik> Chousuke, ouch. Mine has minor welts on the bottom
[12:21] <poseidon> kills the X server.
[12:21] <thygrrr> poseidon, ok. what happens to the apps that are open?
[12:21] <draik> I'm on a 250GB HDD
[12:21] <JohnFlux> doesn't kubuntu tell X to block ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:21] <poseidon> thygrr: they all close
[12:22] <thygrrr> poseidon, do they close gracefully? :)
[12:22] <poseidon> thygrrr: no.
[12:22] <thygrrr> ouch
[12:22] <draik> Chousuke, I'm hoping that my HDD will last me to the holidays. 1TB HDD will be out by then... so they say
[12:22] <_Shade_> ok gtg
[12:23] <_Shade_> take care guys
[12:23] <_Shade_> g'nite
[12:24] <bertha> !es
[12:24] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:24] <thygrrr> poseidon, see, I have a problem I'm trying to investigate (closing LWJGL opengl apps cause my X server to pretty much stop in its tracks except for some sporadic widgets) ... it's really annoying and I only have some vague ideas. so far, I'm trying to at least avoid rebooting :)
[12:25] <thygrrr> probably only the graphics output part, apps still seem to react to the mouse (mouse cursor is rendered properly, app windows aren't). that's nasty.
[12:28] <thygrrr> Everything is fine while the LWJGL app is still running. I can even move the windows to another desktop or minimize them
[12:31] <ka6sox> trying to install dapper, once it "boots" it shuts down the monitor, keyboard *and* mouse
[12:31] <thygrrr> how can you tell the mouse is shutdown when the monitor is black?
[12:31] <wildchild> why doesnt update my /dev/apt/sources.list when I put in it: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:31] <enguillem> hi?
[12:32] <ka6sox> because the LIGHT is OFF.
[12:32] <enguillem> where can i get a good tutorial of qt?
[12:32] <thygrrr> ok I'll intentionally crash my X server now. :)
[12:32] <cpk2> wildchild: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:32] <poseidon> yeah, ctrl-alt-backspace does, in fact, work.
[12:33] <wildchild> cpk2 yes
[12:33] <cpk2> wildchild: you editing it as root?
[12:33] <wildchild> yes
[12:33] <thygrrr> ok, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE worked.
[12:33] <wildchild> otherwise I cant submit changes..
[12:33] <thygrrr> now I can look to fix the problem :)
[12:34] <cpk2> wildchild: so when you cat /etc/apt/sources you dont see your changes?
[12:34] <cpk2> sources.list that is
[12:34] <wildchild> nano /etc/apt/sources
[12:34] <wildchild> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <cpk2> yes but cat or less it to see the changes are there
[12:35] <cpk2> if they are
[12:36] <greeg> hi guys
[12:36] <wildchild> # deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main
[12:36] <wildchild> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:36] <wildchild> it's enabled..
[12:36] <wildchild> but still when I: apt-get update there isn't any skype package
[12:37] <greeg> X for some reason is having trouble and im forced to use a live cd.  although i have not exported my firefox book marks.  it is still possible to back them up ?
[12:37] <cpk2> wildchild: does it need a gpg key?
[12:38] <wildchild> I don't know what gpg is
[12:38] <wildchild> but I take these actions from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype?action=show&redirect=SkypeHowto
[12:38] <wildchild> and there isnt'n mentioned any gpg key
[12:38] <ka6sox> thygrrr, basically I"ve been trying hoary, breezy and dapper and haven't gotten any of them to work.
[12:39] <wildchild> '
[12:39] <tmdx120> I am having trouble with syncing my palm, can anyone help?
[12:40] <cpk2> wildchild: apt-cache search skype turn up anything?
[12:40] <greeg> X for some reason is having trouble and im forced to use a live cd.  although i have not exported my firefox book marks.  it is still possible to back them up ?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> cpk2: sykpe isnt in repos last i checked
[12:41] <wildchild> cpk2 nothing
[12:41] <cpk2> gnomefreak: he added a skype repo ^^
[12:41] <gnomefreak> Seveaa's repo had skype in it
[12:41] <cpk2> which apparently isnt working
[12:41] <gnomefreak> wildchild: did you run sudo apt-get update :)
[12:41] <wildchild> ofcourse, 4times :)
[12:42] <wildchild> hm
[12:42] <gnomefreak> wildchild: add Seveas's repo
[12:42] <wildchild> or maybe is just unstable version of 6.10 ..
[12:42] <cpk2> did it say it was able to fetch from that repo or did it ignore it?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> unless he pulled it out
[12:42] <Seveas> did that when skype.com had packages that work on Ubuntu
[12:42] <wildchild> cpk2 something did there..
[12:44] <wildchild> I have the same problem with adding into sources.list: # deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main
[12:44] <wildchild> packgage for easycam
[12:44] <cpk2> well the # means its ignored
[12:45] <wildchild> I know..
[12:45] <wildchild> I tried without #
[12:46] <wildchild> aha
[12:46] <wildchild> maybe this is the reason:
[12:47] <lluka_> anyone know how to open system sound in the terminal?
[12:48] <wildchild> cpk2: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/193534
[12:48] <wildchild> it's like server doesn't exists
[12:48] <zorglu_> q. is there a vlc package which support mp3 encoding ?
[12:49] <zorglu_> vlc people told me it is coming from ffmpeg compiled with mp3 and statically linked
[12:49] <zorglu_> with=without
[12:49] <zorglu_> oopsa
[12:49] <zorglu_> !plf
[12:49] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[12:49] <finalbeta> what kde version does kubuntu ship?
[12:49] <buzzy> people should one install a firewall on kubuntu?
[12:50] <bertha> !es
[12:50] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: what version of kubuntu
[12:50] <finalbeta> gnomefreak, the edgy one.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> 3.5.4
[12:50] <finalbeta> thnx
[12:50] <cpk2> wildchild: yeah, how old is the wiki you have? maybe skype changed the location
[12:50] <buzzy> people should one install a firewall on kubuntu?
[12:51] <wildchild> so I have to find the location
[12:51] <zorglu_> buzzy: install one if you want to
[12:51] <buzzy> zorglu_,  am i safe if i have not?
[12:51] <buzzy> or do i risk ?
[12:52] <zorglu_> you are not safe in both case
[12:52] <cpk2> buzzy: you are perfectly safe with or without
[12:52] <buzzy> ok
[12:52] <buzzy> why zorglu_
[12:52] <buzzy> ?
[12:52] <zorglu_> with a properly configured firewall, you may be less vulnerable
[12:52] <zorglu_> buzzy: because writing software is hard and dev doesnt care much about security
[12:53] <zorglu_> buzzy: so there is security hole in software
[12:53] <greeg> dont  software testers check for those?
[12:53] <buzzy> ok
[12:53] <greeg> or even security admins perhalps ?
[12:53] <poseidon> how can I run a program with less privlages? Like, not able to use swap, and stuff?
[12:53] <buzzy> zorglu_, ok bye
[12:53] <buzzy> ;)
[12:54] <zorglu_> poseidon: 'ulimit' is the way to set some of those
[12:54] <zorglu_> quota may help too
[12:54] <zorglu_> greeg: to detect security hole is hard too :) some tools exists to help tho
[12:54] <exmethix_> i have a simple question
[12:54] <poseidon> zorglu: thanks
[12:55] <snook353> has anyone else had any probs with superkaramba?
[12:55] <exmethix_> i'd like to make a link to my trash on the desktop
[12:55] <zorglu_> but linux is well known to have much less security vulnerability than window for example
[12:55] <exmethix_> would be fine if it would change it icon when its full or empty
[12:55] <wildchild> cpk2 so u've installed manually skype?
[12:55] <wildchild> cpk2 couse I am total newbie
[12:56] <greeg> time devoted to security is time stolen from technological advancement.
[12:56] <exmethix_> could anybody help me?
[12:57] <cpk2> I dont use skype but I'm sure the have the source for it somewhere
[12:58] <snook353> exmethix_, right click on the panel
[12:58] <zorglu_> exmethix_: just tried and found out i dont know how to do it
[12:58] <exmethix_> snook353:
[12:58] <exmethix_> jep
[12:58] <exmethix_> now
[12:58] <exmethix_> ?
[12:59] <snook353> idk what jep means
[12:59] <exmethix_> jes
[12:59] <exmethix_> yes
[12:59] <snook353> still don 'tknow
[12:59] <exmethix_> what do you want to tell me?
[12:59] <cpk2> wildchild: you are in luck skype has a .deb on their site http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
[01:00] <snook353> ok, nm
[01:00] <zorglu_> snook353: jep == yes
[01:01] <tmdx120> does anyone know how to get a palm to sync correctly using kpilot
[01:01] <chx> i know this sounds a bit whacky but really -- i have a password in my kwallet , which is open and i need the password to be used elsewhere. how can i get ? I *do* have the wallet password.
[01:01] <exmethix_> i simply want to have a trash on my desktop and that it changes the icon when full or empty
[01:01] <snook353> that's all i know.  just for the applet
[01:01] <exmethix_> would be even better if i could empty it with rightklick
[01:01] <exmethix_> ok
[01:01] <cpk2> wildchild: although skyps webite sys tht this repo works deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[01:01] <Dr_willis> exmethix_,  dont like it in the panel eh?
[01:02] <exmethix_> Dr_willis: right
[01:02] <rubikcube> any idea what might be the gpg frontend with the most complete features?  I'm especially looking for the possibility to create new subkeys
[01:03] <chx> Skype -- if you get Skype 1.3 *disable animated emoticons*
[01:03] <Dr_willis> im sure theres a way to make it show on the desktop.. but i never noticed.. I perfer it on the panel where its not always getting hidden. ;) Thers some control-center icon/tool that lists what icons are showned on the desktop
[01:03] <exmethix_> :D
[01:03] <exmethix_> very simple
[01:03] <snook353> how'd ya do it?
[01:04] <tmdx120> does anyone know how to get a palm to sync correctly using kpilot
[01:04] <snook353> exmethix_, how'd ya do it
[01:04] <exmethix_> i just made a link to url: trash:/
[01:05] <snook353> oh
[01:05] <exmethix_> icons and so on come along themselfs
[01:05] <exmethix_> :D
[01:05] <Dr_willis> google  for 'kubuntu how to show the trashcan on desktop' has a few hits.. :)
[01:05] <Torched> !garbage
[01:05] <Dr_willis> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/how-to-show-the-trash-can-and-others-on-your-desktop-in-ubuntu/
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about garbage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <Dr_willis> I cant see why one would NOT like it on the panel. :)
[01:05] <exmethix_> Dr_willis: i have it
[01:06] <tmdx120> does anyone know how to get a palm to sync correctly using kpilot
[01:06] <Dr_willis> oh wiat that url is for gnome..  :P
[01:07] <Torched> too bad!
[01:07] <Dr_willis> the #2 link was for Kubuntu. :)
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Create a text file on your Desktop by right-clicking on it and pointing to Create New > Text File. Open this file and paste the following in the file:
[01:07] <Dr_willis> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/
[01:09] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: I got kpilot working. I managed to get my database file from my desktop to my palm to do a resore. Now everytime I sync Iget "unable to read system information from pilot"
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Interesting.
[01:10] <Dr_willis> so the downloading of data from Pilot -> linux worked.. but not  uploading.
[01:12] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: it synced once. And that was just a normal sync. Since the palm was empty and my kpilot had info, it added the info to the palm
[01:14] <Brydenn33> quick quesiton: my Kubuntu drive is hd0,0 How do i find out what my WindowsXP slave drive is?
[01:15] <Brydenn33> Dr_willis: do you know? you seem to know quite a bit :)
[01:17] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l, and see whats what. :P then i think theres /boot/grub/SOMTHING that tells what hdX kind of drive is what  grub Named drive..
[01:17] <cpk2> Brydenn33: is it mounted?
[01:17] <Dr_willis> let me check
[01:17] <SyckPuppi> Testing 1,2,3
[01:17] <Dr_willis> /boot/grub$ cat device.map
[01:17] <Dr_willis> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[01:17] <Dr_willis> (hd2)   /dev/sda
[01:17] <Brydenn33> yes my drive is mounted
[01:17] <Dr_willis> Your device.map will vary :)
[01:18] <Brydenn33> yah i figured that
[01:19] <Brydenn33> see
[01:19] <Brydenn33> i didnt install kubuntu WITH my WinXP drive present
[01:20] <Brydenn33> so it doesnt show up in GRUB as an option to boot to
[01:20] <Brydenn33> so i need to figure out how to "manually" do it
[01:20] <Brydenn33> i'm assuming i need to add my XP drive into device.map
[01:20] <Brydenn33> and add it to the menu.list in grub
[01:20] <Brydenn33> correct?
[01:29] <AWOSDev> I'm having problems with, uh, everything.
[01:29] <AWOSDev> Konversation won't load for some reason.
[01:30] <AWOSDev> Nothing printed on stdout or stderr.
[01:30] <AWOSDev> KDE File Picker isn't listing half of the files in my home directory.
[01:30] <bluch> !xserver
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:30] <AWOSDev> And OpenOffice freezes when I do, uh, anythihng.
[01:30] <AWOSDev> s/anythihng/anything
[01:31] <AWOSDev> Anybody know why all this crap is happening to my poor little laptop?
[01:32] <AWOSDev> Is there like a #Kubuntu-level2 channel?
[01:32] <rubikcube> level2?
[01:33] <AWOSDev> yeah for those harder problems that level 1 techs can't solve :)
[01:33] <rubikcube> You finished off the level 1 monster boss, continue on Level 2 :)
[01:33] <AWOSDev> :)
[01:33] <warpzone> hmm I'm like, a level 0.1. I just figured out where the log files are :-P
[01:34] <AWOSDev> warpzone, ya just discovered the wonderous /var/log huh?  :)
[01:34] <rubikcube> AWOSDev: for the really advanced problems, there are #foo-dev channels quite often
[01:34] <Dr_willis> tail -f /var/log/SOMTHING  :)
[01:34] <warpzone> but I point anybody < 0.1 to the correct wiki or forum pages. just trying to do my part :)
[01:34] <AWOSDev> Hey Dr_willis.
[01:34] <warpzone> ooo tail would be handy., im writing that down
[01:35] <Dr_willis> Hello AWOSDev
[01:35] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  tehres tools that can put the tail/log output in a terminal/desktop background also. :P
[01:36] <warpzone> Dr_willis: omg been searching for that forever, not only is it cool but I get geek creds X)
[01:36] <warpzone> now I have a direction, thanks
[01:36] <Dr_willis> 'roottail' is fun
[01:36] <Dr_willis> as is colortail
[01:37] <AWOSDev> colortail, hmm, I'll have to check that out :)
[01:37] <Dr_willis> and colorgcc
[01:37] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, for some reason I view as a level 2.  Do you know why my laptop is really really screwed up?
[01:37] <Dr_willis> those may be a bit out of date now a days and replaced with better tools
[01:37] <Dink> Dr_willis, I installed ultraiso via cxoffice and just extracted the mdf image =)
[01:38] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  PEBKAC ?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> :P
[01:38] <AWOSDev> AWOSDev, I don't *think* so :)
[01:38] <warpzone> ooo do they have color-coding like vim or gedit?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> Dink,  thats... sick. :)
[01:38] <Dink> was the only way to do it
[01:38] <Dink> lol
[01:38] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  yep.
[01:38] <AWOSDev> I like Kdevelop for that.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  #1 test - i would make a totally NEW user.. and see if the issues affect him as well.
[01:39] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, hmm interesting.
[01:39] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  if they DONT then you some how got some really messed up kde settings for the first user.
[01:39] <Dink> ohh and cxoffice 6 beta2 seems to be better at installing games then cedega, this is going to be interesting
[01:39] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, that's a good idea.  Didn't think of that.  Shall I name him "whitenerdy" :P
[01:39] <Dr_willis> #2 test.. dont use kdm/gdm - boot to the console and start X with 'startx' see if any logg/errors show up
[01:39] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis kinda forced to do that
[01:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:39] <AWOSDev> kdm doesn't work anymore :(
[01:40] <Dr_willis> #3 - sounds lik eit may be time to backup /home in that case.. and reformat/reinstall.. :P
[01:40] <Dr_willis> #2.5 try some live cd's see if they have an issue
[01:40] <Dr_willis> im out of order now
[01:40] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, ugh, I just installed it in August
[01:40] <Dr_willis> I reinstalled last week after testing out Edgy...
[01:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:41] <Dr_willis> advise for now.. leave edgy alonw.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> alone.  Heh heh
[01:41] <warpzone> AWOSDev: did you use the default or mess around with stuff
[01:41] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  you been twiddling with things?
[01:41] <AWOSDev> warpzone, meaning what?  I installed from the live CD.
[01:41] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis no
[01:41] <Dr_willis>  can you even Prove its a KDE issue?
[01:41] <Dr_willis> try gdm, see if it works good.
[01:41] <warpzone> my first install I tried to do some advanced stuff, not even really advanced, and wound up with no sudo and a root password and no package manager
[01:41] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis I was just making road signs in KolourPaint, went to open my I-95 Exit 21 picture, and it wasn't there
[01:42] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis so I typed the name and it opened it
[01:42] <Dr_willis> odd.
[01:42] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis and now exits 20-32 are missing
[01:42] <warpzone> AWOSDev: oh wait, I havent installed since breezy, wasnt the same then
[01:42] <AWOSDev> even with "show hidden files"
[01:42] <AWOSDev> I'm *soooooooo* confused
[01:43] <AWOSDev> And Konversation won't come up
[01:43] <Dr_willis> hidden files --> ones that begin with a .    Nothing more.. nothing less.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:43] <AWOSDev> no errors printed on the Konsole though
[01:43] <AWOSDev> so I'm on irssi
[01:43] <AWOSDev> which isn't that pretty
[01:43] <AWOSDev> half of the nicks are white on white :P
[01:44] <AWOSDev> Besides I have no where to back up to
[01:44] <AWOSDev> my ~ is very large
[01:44] <dennister> g'day all
[01:44] <AWOSDev> 600+ 4 megapixel digital camera pictures
[01:44] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  thats a bit personal isent it... :)
[01:45] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis LOL
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Thats what fileservers are for.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Been tuneing up my fileserver all week.
[01:45] <AWOSDev> Yeah I don't have one, I want one
[01:45] <Dr_willis> the fan on the MB/chipset was going out making nouses.. replaced it with a Huge Heatsink/no fan.. :P
[01:45] <AWOSDev> I have the 40gig over there, but she's only got about 5GB free
[01:45] <Dr_willis> then i found a video card (old pci) with no fan...
[01:46] <Dr_willis> 40gb? gesh.. i got those ... in the closet.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> :P
[01:46] <warpzone> thats what this box is going to be as soon as I get my signing bonus :-P 1 terabyte of media and docs and games. delicious
[01:46] <AWOSDev> 1TB!?
[01:46] <AWOSDev> dang
[01:46] <Dr_willis> Slowly making a Noiseless (well very little little) Fileserver
[01:46] <AWOSDev> I really need to go to Office Depot
[01:46] <warpzone> yeah 500g HDs are cheap now
[01:46] <AWOSDev> they have a sale, 100GB for $20
[01:46] <AWOSDev> I could use that
[01:46] <AWOSDev> Heck I could make a RAID array with that
[01:46] <Dr_willis> i saw 100gb external usb/laptop sized drives for $100 today
[01:47] <warpzone> im going to do a raid0, so i guess its only 500g
[01:47] <Dr_willis> tiny and storage.
[01:47] <warpzone> man makes me feel old and Im 23. I remember my sony with 500megs
[01:47] <AWOSDev> warpzone, *only* 500GB?
[01:47] <warpzone> lol
[01:47] <AWOSDev> I remember my 8088 with 20MB
[01:47] <dennister> hey pps, anyone know how to debug ivtv driver install?
[01:47] <AWOSDev> Hey, Office Depot is still open for another hour
[01:48] <AWOSDev> Oh my I'm so tempted
[01:48] <AWOSDev> sale ends tomorrow
[01:48] <warpzone> dennister: nope :( but i'll be with you in a week or so, can't wait to try it
[01:48] <warpzone> damn AWOSDev get moving
[01:48] <dennister> when u get that new pc built?
[01:48] <AWOSDev> I could get the 20GBs of Windows crap off this laptop and make it a Linux-only
[01:49] <dennister> lucky u
[01:49] <AWOSDev> alright fine
[01:49] <warpzone> dennister: yeah this will eventually be a fileserver + mythTV box, once yknow, I learn how to set one up :-P :-P
[01:49] <AWOSDev> I think I will
[01:49] <AWOSDev> if I can scrounge up the $100 pre-rebate money I will
[01:49] <AWOSDev> well let's see what I can find through the house
[01:49] <AWOSDev> bye all!
[01:49] <warpzone> adios
[01:49] <dennister> that's what I'm trying to accomplish here with this 7mo-old htpc
[01:50] <dennister> have my lamp server, at the ivtv driver stage, but they're not right yet, and I want them right b4 I move to next stage
[01:50] <Dr_willis> i got a 5 MB hard drive out in the garrage
[01:50] <warpzone> dennister well best of luck, hope to hear updates from you
[01:51] <warpzone> Dr_willis good god
[01:51] <dennister> k...here's another question some of u may know: how do I do a search for all files on pc with the "ko" extension?
[01:51] <warpzone> locate
[01:51] <warpzone> i would do locate *.ko
[01:52] <MotorCityMadMan> Added memory/kubuntu hangs on login/removed added memory/kubuntu boot's normally/anyhelp ?/BIOS settings ?
[01:52] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  its for an Apple MacSE  little bitty Mac. the Drive/exclosure is the size of many pc's :)
[01:52] <dennister> tried that: "*.do"
[01:52] <Dr_willis> wait - it may be 15mb...
[01:52] <fateisajester> i am having the same issue as with this page http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=321704
[01:52] <fateisajester> how to i define $PATH to gtk
[01:53] <Brydenn33> sweet
[01:53] <warpzone> dennister: hmm, wonder what else woudl work
[01:53] <Dr_willis> err....
[01:53] <dennister> omg...tried again, and the list is huge! (perhaps i'd used find instead of locate b4)
[01:53] <Brydenn33> i got the dual boot to Windows XP now guys
[01:53] <Dr_willis> $PATH is one thing... whats this GTK thing you are trying to define?
[01:53] <Brydenn33> wasnt even that hard hahaha
[01:54] <warpzone> dennister my girl was doing the same thing, dunno why find and locate are so different
[01:54] <dennister> bryden: it's incredibly easy with 2 hdd
[01:54] <Brydenn33> yah i know but i had to manually do it
[01:54] <bluch> how can i use transparancy and shadows?
[01:54] <Brydenn33> didnt install kubuntu with the xp drive present
[01:54] <dennister> i didn't have to do follow any of the howto's after all
[01:54] <warpzone> Brydenn33: ever read the unofficial ubuntu starter guide?
[01:54] <fateisajester> idk. thats what it said in the forum
[01:54] <Brydenn33> warpzone:  ya, but that was a long time ago ;)
[01:54] <warpzone> Brydenn33: it shows how to set one up super easy
[01:55] <fildo_> hey guys, i have a created a sym link from my home dir / to anoter users home dir . with sudo
[01:55] <Brydenn33> warpzone: i'm sure it does. i read another link though. helped me out
[01:55] <fildo_> but when i try n ftp in , the directory is there, but there isnt any file listings
[01:55] <warpzone> Brydenn33: i point any new users to it, its what helped me start ubuntu
[01:55] <dennister> i thought the dual boot wasn't working yet because I was trying to follow the howtos
[01:56] <fildo_> would this be permissions ? would i have to chmod the symlink ?
[01:56] <dennister> then i came home one day and found my son had simply selected it in grub...and it worked!
[01:56] <Brydenn33> warpzone: yep, i went there the first time in installed kubuntu a year ago
[01:56] <dennister> didn't even have to fool windows
[01:56] <warpzone> fildo_: I would try that, if you made it with root you would need to chmod it, prolly 755
[01:57] <warpzone> dennister haha thats awesome
[01:57] <dennister> yeah...people should really be told they don't have to follow any howtos or fool windows at all with ubuntu
[01:57] <fildo_> warpzone: ta, i try now
[01:57] <Brydenn33> anyone here running Edgy?
[01:58] <DeadSouL> me
[01:58] <Brydenn33> i have the 386 installed. do they have a 686 for edgy yet?
[01:58] <DeadSouL> dunno
[01:58] <dennister> struggling with howtos to get a dual boot going for a newbie is a huge waste of time, and can turn the newbs away from linux
[01:59] <warpzone> dennister I started linux with Gentoo, I know how you feel
[01:59] <Brydenn33> lol @ Gentoo
[01:59] <dennister> mandriva wasted about 6 weeks of nonstop time
[01:59] <Brydenn33> i had a discussion about it yesterday
[01:59] <Brydenn33> i couldnt even get Gentoo to load
[01:59] <warpzone> ever seen a total newb try to configure a kernel and xserver?
[02:00] <Brydenn33> and i tried like 25 times
[02:00] <dennister> mandriva is NOT ready for 64 bit platforms for newbs...it will fall apart way too soon
[02:01] <dennister> i was really tempted to start with gentoo from the beginning...all of 2 months ago
[02:02] <warpzone> gotta say, I love ubuntu. If it wasnt for this I would maybe buy a macbook, but I actually feel like I use my computer now
[02:02] <warpzone> if only I could ditch the MS partition... but I'm learning photoshop :(
[02:03] <dennister> hey, I even programmed a dhcpd daemon from scratch the other day...debugged it, and it worked!
[02:03] <warpzone> dennister: neat, what for?
[02:03] <dennister> my isp won't let me have a static ip
[02:03] <dennister> and mythtv needs one, so I was trying to make my ubuntu server the router
[02:04] <warpzone> ooo that reminds me, gotta set up the DNS cache
[02:04] <dennister> and have the other 2 pc's connect to the internet through the hub, hub to ubuntu, ubuntu to cable modem
[02:04] <warpzone> eh for router I'll get the wrt54gl and flash it, can';t wait to play with that
[02:04] <warpzone> computer for router would just use to much electricity I think
[02:05] <dennister> wapzone, if u can, get a dlink...they have some of the best customer serve and tech support i've ever seen
[02:05] <MotorCityMadMan> Added memory/kubuntu hangs on login/removed added memory/kubuntu boot's normally/anyhelp ?/BIOS settings ?
[02:05] <dennister> warpzone; it was to be a multi-function server
[02:05] <warpzone> dennister ah
[02:06] <dennister> warpzone: like i said: dlink!
[02:06] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: not a clue man, but saying hi helps a ton in getting help
[02:06] <MotorCityMadMan> hello
[02:07] <dennister> i can't help either motorcitymadman
[02:07] <dennister> sorry
[02:07] <dennister> <--------too much of a newb
[02:07] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: :-P howdy, let me check the forums real quick, maybe this is common issue
[02:07] <MotorCityMadMan> warpzone: thank you
[02:08] <MotorCityMadMan> i'm thinking a bios setting maybe
[02:08] <MotorCityMadMan> MHz ?
[02:08] <dennister> the bios should detect the new ram
[02:08] <MotorCityMadMan> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 1808 MHz (3622 bogomips), , RAM: 423/1003MB, 98 proc's, 21.34min up
[02:08] <dennister> that's usually pnp
[02:09] <Torched> i want to live on a ship
[02:09] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: it did but login screen just hangs
[02:10] <MotorCityMadMan> also did a recovery
[02:10] <MotorCityMadMan> still no luck
[02:10] <dennister> oh dear...would love to help if i could
[02:10] <MotorCityMadMan> old memory stick became very hot
[02:10] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: hey have you tried the memtest that comes with ubuntu?
[02:11] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: or does it not reach that point on boot?
[02:11] <Ranarchy> MotorCityMadMan: Have you tried the new stick on its own?
[02:11] <MotorCityMadMan> warpzone: i will give memtest a go
[02:11] <warpzone> from what I see, it might be a bad stick
[02:11] <dennister> most of what I'm good for is apa 5th, endnote script-level programming, and linux-multimedia
[02:11] <MotorCityMadMan> Ranarchy: yes and works fine
[02:11] <warpzone> hmm nvm
[02:12] <MotorCityMadMan> works good with one or the other but not both
[02:12] <dennister> are the two sticks the same? they should be matched exactly if possible
[02:13] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: yes 1gb , 512mb both pc-3200 ddr-400
[02:14] <MotorCityMadMan> 1gb bank 1 and 512 in bank 2
[02:14] <koboi_> # ubuntu-probleme
[02:14] <dennister> k...i know the mobos are picky about dual channel matching...might detect both, but doesn't necessarily work well with both if they're not matched
[02:14] <koboi_> #ubuntu-probleme
[02:15] <dennister> hmmmmmm
[02:15] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan have you tried with another operating system to see if it is linux-specific (if thats a possibility)
[02:15] <Brydenn33> quick question: is Gentoo or OpenBSD harder to install? hehe
[02:15] <shadowraven> gentoo
[02:16] <Brydenn33> isnt gentoo based off BSD?
[02:16] <maryen> noo
[02:16] <maryen> linux
[02:16] <dennister> gentoo? i couldn't even get the livecd installed on an old pII; hung at detecting the cdrom drive
[02:16] <Brydenn33> BSD is its own thing huh
[02:16] <maryen> yeah
[02:16] <MotorCityMadMan> warpzone: yes i have / winxp boots fine / it's just kubuntu thats having the issue
[02:16] <Brydenn33> dennister:  i had the same issue. hung every time
[02:16] <dennister> imagine: not being able to install a livecd
[02:16] <dennister> lol
[02:17] <maryen> the gentoo graphical install is said to be worse
[02:17] <maryen> gentoo is for freaks that like to compile
[02:17] <maryen> aka masochists
[02:17] <MotorCityMadMan> i will do the memtest
[02:17] <Brydenn33> haha
[02:18] <dennister> and yet the systemrescuecd worked fine on the same pII, and it's gentoo-based
[02:19] <dennister> i did a compile last night, and now i'm here with a problem, lol
[02:19] <maryen> i compile some things, such as my ndiswrapper
[02:19] <dennister> <------- may be a tech wannabe, but isn't there yet
[02:19] <maryen> but when apt-get is an alternative, i always take it
[02:20] <dennister> maryen, would you know how to debug an ivtv driver make?
[02:20] <maryen> no
[02:20] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: okay this might work
[02:20] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: do you get to the login screen before it locks?
[02:20] <dennister> k...thought i'd ask
[02:21] <dennister> couple of error messages...this one may not be ivtv-specific tho: (error message will be on next line)
[02:21] <dennister> no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[02:22] <notech> if the bios is set for dual channel and you have a 1GB and 512MB stick, it'll fail
[02:22] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: if you can get to a terminal before it locks (hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 at login screen) then login to the terminal and type "sudp dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[02:22] <dennister> i think he means 1G total ram, 2 sticks of 512
[02:22] <coreymon77> hey guys
[02:22] <dennister> hi coreymon
[02:22] <coreymon77> ya
[02:23] <coreymon77> my wireless network cardis fying
[02:23] <coreymon77> so
[02:23] <coreymon77> i was wondering
[02:23] <dennister> <-----assumes 'guys' is generic for pps
[02:23] <warpzone> well hey guys im out, if MotorCity shows back up tell him to scroll up :-P
[02:23] <warpzone> thanks for help, sees ya later
[02:23] <dennister> k...bye wapzone
[02:24] <coreymon77> whats a decently priced, good wireless network card that will connect to a linksys router and works in dapper out of the box
[02:24] <dennister> oops...warpzone
[02:24] <maryen> dunno coreymon, whats wrong with your current one? dead?
[02:24] <coreymon77> dying
[02:24] <dennister> not sure what works with linux, but I adore my dlink router and card for other xp pc
[02:25] <maryen> hmm
[02:25] <dennister> they have fabulous tech support and warranties
[02:25] <josh_> whats up people
[02:25] <josh_> have  big issue i cant figure out
[02:25] <josh_> i just got a wireless router
[02:25] <maryen> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ here u go coreymon77
[02:26] <dennister> which brand?
[02:26] <josh_> i have a network router already so i want to keep it in place for the sensitive traffic
[02:26] <dennister> routers seems to be a running theme today
[02:26] <coreymon77> my router is a linksys on
[02:26] <coreymon77> e
[02:26] <josh_> but i cant seem to have 2 routers at once?
[02:26] <dennister> sure u can josh
[02:26] <coreymon77> and im wondering if i should just get another card from linksys
[02:26] <coreymon77> or get something else
[02:26] <dennister> most small businesses have a series of routers, all daisy-chained
[02:26] <josh_> thats what i thought
[02:27] <josh_> but when i restart the computer it wont allow me to get online for some reason
[02:27] <maryen> that page should have info about wireless cards and how well they work coreymon77
[02:27] <dennister> i just feel it's safer to have wireless router and cards from the same company to ensure compatability
[02:28] <dennister> welcome back motorcity
[02:28] <coreymon77> wait a sec guys
[02:28] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: ty
[02:28] <dennister> warpzone had to go, he said to tell u to scroll up
[02:29] <maryen> actually this one is better coreymon77 http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[02:29] <coreymon77> all be right back
[02:29] <coreymon77> ill*
[02:30] <MotorCityMadMan> me undersatnd now: 1GB card is single-sided RAM | 512 card is dual-sided RAM
[02:30] <dennister> great motorcity! u've successfully diagnosed the problem
[02:30] <maryen> ok so let me get this straight josh_
[02:30] <dennister> now u can fix it by returning what u just bought
[02:30] <MotorCityMadMan> 1st bank supports dual and 2nd and 3rd support only single-sided RAM
[02:30] <maryen> you've got one router connected to the net
[02:31] <josh_> yes
[02:31] <maryen> then you've got another connected into it
[02:31] <maryen> for wireless
[02:31] <josh_> and another router (wireless) connect to a hub downstairs
[02:31] <josh_> exactly
[02:31] <josh_> the wife just bought a mac and she wants to do her work everywhere in the house... so i got the wireless for her
[02:31] <dennister> how many pc's do u have to these 3 routers josh?
[02:32] <maryen> i don't think that will work because your wireless router probably wont send a dhcp request to the old one
[02:32] <maryen> get a wireless access point instead
[02:32] <josh_> 3 to the first, 3 on the hub and 2 on the wireless
[02:33] <maryen> http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=427968&SourceID=k22350
[02:33] <fateisajester> does any one know if linpal is on anyof the repositories. i cant find it and im having a really hard lime installing it from a "binary+source package"
[02:33] <josh_> well the thing is... when i have all thecomputers connected to the internet and then plug in the wireless, my wife and turn on her mac and get online
[02:33] <dennister> u should be able to just get a new card for the mac, attach it (so to say) to a wireless router u've already got
[02:33] <josh_> its only if i restart and try to log on that it happens
[02:34] <maryen> you connecting via wireless yourself?
[02:34] <josh_> well the mac and my laptop arte the only 2 comps that have wireless
[02:34] <dennister> and what exactly "happens"
[02:34] <MotorCityMadMan> $90 dollar mis-steak on my part. paid for the wroung ram. not is lost thu, the 1gb ram does work in the first bank
[02:34] <josh_> but since i dont ever use the laptop in my house really there was no need for wireless
[02:35] <dennister> u should be able to return it motorcity
[02:35] <maryen> so is it a problem with your laptop or one of your landline computers?
[02:35] <MotorCityMadMan> trash man has all the rappings
[02:35] <josh_> so my wife bought and mac and wanted wireless... bought the router... hooked it up and everything is fine....then i had to reinstall linux on the comp im using now.
[02:35] <josh_> after i did the install i couldn't get online
[02:36] <josh_> so i unplugged the wireless... restarted my linux box and now i can get online
[02:36] <dennister> can u use it on another pc motorcity?
[02:36] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: good idea
[02:36] <maryen> try plugging into the wireless router
[02:36] <dennister> always! keep all your tech receipts, wrappings until it works well
[02:36] <MotorCityMadMan> i have three towers and 4 mobo
[02:37] <josh_> i can cable connect the wireless and access it
[02:37] <dennister> <--------keeps boxes for moving purposes
[02:37] <josh_> i can even connect to the non wireless router
[02:37] <MotorCityMadMan> <-- here comes the sreew drivers out
[02:37] <josh_> i put the wireless on a sperate ip address so i could access both if i needed
[02:38] <dennister> i gotta get back to my ivtv driver-debugging pps...cya later
[02:38] <maryen> bye dennis
[02:38] <maryen> got a guide for it?
[02:38] <MotorCityMadMan> later dennister
[02:38] <MotorCityMadMan> ty
[02:38] <josh_> so with this accesspoint... i can just plug that into my hub that is connected to my router (non-wireless) and it will act as a wireless router?
[02:39] <maryen> yes
[02:39] <josh_> i will be able to connect the mac wirelessly with just the existing router?
[02:39] <maryen> yes
[02:39] <josh_> oh snap!!
[02:39] <josh_> i gotta run back to the store
[02:39] <josh_> thanks
[02:39] <maryen> lol bye
[02:39] <josh_> bye
[02:42] <MotorCityMadMan> shutting down for upgrade
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Ok.. explain this to me.. I got TV out working.. looks good.. I plug in the audio cable to my sound card.. and the tv out picture gets all sorts of interfearance...
[02:51] <BonBonTheJon> Dr_willis: what kind of video card do you use
[02:52] <Dr_willis> gt6800pro
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> nvideo?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> Ive always noticed the tv out being sort of bla.. with interfearcnac
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> nvidia?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> but i moved the machine today.. plugged the cables in and poof - GOOD tv out pic..
[02:52] <Dr_willis> yes nvidia
[02:53] <Dr_willis> so i then plug in the audio cables.. and bam- picture gets all sorts of interfearance
[02:53] <InteliWasp> how can i tell what version of kde i have?
[02:53] <BonBonTheJon> any idea how to get tv out working on ati
[02:53] <BonBonTheJon> InteliWasp: open any kde app and its in the help menu
[02:53] <Dr_willis> BonBonTheJon,  Nope. :P
[02:55] <Dr_willis> AHA -
[02:55] <Dr_willis> it pays to not have a cable plugged into the SVideo in, and rca in...
[02:56] <Dr_willis> putting the stero R  - into the RCA video in... is not good. :)
[02:56] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: red plug to red plug
[02:56] <jahanzaib> hello
[02:56] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: white to white
[02:57] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: yellow to yellow --
[02:57] <SeanTater> jahanzaib: hello
[02:57] <Dr_willis> they tdont match up. :P
[02:57] <Dr_willis> it has blue and black..
[02:57] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: ?
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Plus its dark behind the tv.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> But hay! i got decent tv out now!
[02:57] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: all red, yello, and red here, green and yellow for svideo
[02:58] <claudio> salve :D
[02:58] <SeanTater>  /yello/yellow
[02:58] <Dr_willis> after i went and bought  a new svideo cable that i aparently dident need .
[02:58] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: I'm afraid we may have to yank voice from you on this channel - not sure we need you giving advice any more :p
[02:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:58] <BonBonTheJon> dr_willis: are you using the proprietary drivers, or some open source one
[02:58] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: Actually, I;ve been looking for an svideo cable for a week
[02:58] <Dr_willis> BonBonTheJon,  using the nvidia drivers
[02:58] <claudio> nessuno parla italiano qua? :)
[02:58] <Dr_willis> SeanTater,  Walmart had some nice 6 ft ones  for $7
[02:59] <Dr_willis> SeanTater,  BestBuy was a total rip-off on them
[02:59] <ekim\> Hi
[02:59] <Dr_willis> $20 for a 6 ft svideo cable!
[02:59] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[02:59] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: um -- svideo -> rca cables?
[02:59] <SeanTater> ekim\: hello
[02:59] <SeanTater> BonBonTheJon: hello
[02:59] <Dr_willis> rca = the single plug.. svideo has several smaller pins..
[02:59] <SeanTater> !it claudio
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it claudio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <ekim\> Alright...I was going to ask how to install kubuntu...
[02:59] <SeanTater> !it > claudio
[03:00] <ekim\> but first I have to figure out what version I have
[03:00] <ekim\> Is there an easy way to do that ?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  huh.. what are you running now anyway?
[03:00] <SeanTater> ekim\: probably
[03:00] <SeanTater> ekim\: when did you download it?
[03:00] <ekim\> Im running kubuntu niw
[03:00] <ekim\> the live cd
[03:01] <SeanTater> ekim\: if you start konqueror, it will probably tell
[03:01] <ekim\> What version did they start making the install disk and the livde cd the same disk
[03:01] <ekim\> I c
[03:01] <BonBonTheJon> dapper?
[03:01] <ekim\> Awesome
[03:01] <ekim\> IT comes with katapult
[03:01] <SeanTater> ekim\: nope
[03:01] <ekim\> Never new that
[03:02] <SeanTater> ekim\: sorry, konq won't tell
[03:02] <SeanTater> ekim\: but as for katapult, I never figured out what key started it
[03:02] <ekim\> ha
[03:02] <ekim\> its alt space
[03:02] <ekim\> I use something like it on windows all the time
[03:02] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: run 'uname -r' in konsole
[03:02] <ekim\> Love it
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> ah damn, ekim\ gave me an idea - to set my nick to /quit but it won't let me :) hehe
[03:02] <SeanTater> dumbkiwi: I once had a bird named kwiw, it was the dumbest bird I ever knew
[03:02] <ekim\> haha
[03:02] <SeanTater> dumbkiwi: /kiwi/
[03:03] <ekim\> it cant start with a \
[03:03] <ekim\> and / doesent work at  all
[03:03] <ekim> See
[03:03] <ekim> I did ekim/
[03:03] <ekim> but it didnt do it
[03:03] <ekim\> :)
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> I tried to start with / and I got an erronious nick error.
[03:03] <ekim\> Indeed
[03:04] <ekim\> O cool
[03:04] <ekim\> uname -r
[03:04] <SeanTater> ekim\: I tried cahracters like [ { and ( too, they don;t work either
[03:04] <SeanTater> ekim\: or spaces, they don't seem to work
[03:04] <ekim\> as a rule the only punctuation that works is ! . and -
[03:04] <ekim\> also _
[03:04] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: that should give the kernel you are using, that would give an indication of the release
[03:04] <ekim\> :)
[03:04] <ekim\> this might seem like a noob question..how do I copy from teh terminal
[03:04] <[testNick] > wow -- it did work
[03:04] <ekim\> Indeed
[03:05] <ekim\> 2.6.12-9-386
[03:05] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  cp command
[03:05] <ekim\> There you go
[03:05] <King_Brad> does ubuntu have any webcam software i can use?
[03:05] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  reading a few bash tutorial/guides is worth the time spent.
[03:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:05] <ekim\> Hmm
[03:05] <ekim\> yeah I think it omes with one
[03:05] <Sean> King_Brad: sure
[03:05] <LeeJunFan> \quit is owned by someone
[03:05] <ekim\> I figured it out
[03:05] <ekim\> ...
[03:05] <n00btard> how do i fix this error? /bin/sh: make: command not found
[03:05] <ekim\> haha
[03:05] <King_Brad> anyone got a name?
[03:05] <Sean> King_Brad: the webcam is avtually built into the kernel
[03:05] <ekim\> I didnt mean copy IN the terminal
[03:05] <ekim\> I mean copy FROM the terminal
[03:06] <ekim\> Litterally copy + paste text
[03:06] <ekim\> I know cp ha
[03:06] <Sean> King_Brad: I think one is ktvtime
[03:06] <King_Brad> Sean: ok, but i still gotta have software to use it right?
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: right click
[03:06] <Dr_willis> select/middle click
[03:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:06] <ekim\> O cool
[03:06] <ekim\> :)
[03:06] <ekim\> Thanks for the tip
 O cool
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> !make
[03:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:06] <ekim\> !install
[03:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:06] <Dr_willis> heh middle click works for me in Xchat
[03:06] <ekim\> Hey
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> maybe I should just go with LeeJ[tab]
[03:07] <ekim\> just out of curiosity
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: i think you need automake
[03:07] <ekim\> Has anyone here heard of DigitalLife
[03:07] <ekim\> the convention
[03:07] <n00btard> ohhh
[03:07] <ekim\> next week
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: try installing that, then tell me if it worked
[03:07] <n00btard> ok thx
[03:07] <ekim\> Hmm...Im curious what other browsers could I use on here besides firefox an kq
[03:07] <ekim\> I know there are los
[03:07] <ekim\> liek galeon
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: what are you trying to install
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: Opera
[03:08] <n00btard> im trying to compile this program i made
[03:08] <ekim\> O cool
[03:08] <n00btard> with kdevelop
[03:08] <ekim\> I forgot about it
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: do you have a compiler (ie. gcc) installed
[03:08] <ekim\> me <3 gcc :)
[03:08] <n00btard> ahhhhhh
[03:08] <n00btard> idk
[03:09] <n00btard> im new to it
[03:09] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: you also need build-essential
[03:09] <ekim\> anyway
[03:09] <n00btard> ok thanks
[03:09] <ekim\> Is anyone going to DigitalLife next week ?
[03:09] <n00btard> do i need gcc as well?
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> I thought kdevelop had deps on all the gcc make, automake and what not, hrm.
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> n00btard: install build-essential
[03:10] <n00btard> just did, im gunna try and see if it works now
[03:10] <ekim\> Anyway ...Installing kubuntu
[03:10] <ekim\> How do I do it
[03:11] <n00btard> says it requires automake 1.6.... ill install that i guess
[03:11] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: if you are using the live cd, there is an installer icon on the desktop
[03:11] <King_Brad> ekim, the documentation should help ya
[03:12] <ekim\> :(
[03:12] <ekim\> Anyone here ?
[03:13] <BonBonTheJon> what do you need help with
[03:13] <ekim\> lol
[03:13] <n00btard> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:13] <ekim\> Obviously I checked for the icon
[03:13] <ekim\> ...
[03:13] <n00btard> wtf does that mean?
[03:13] <ekim\> the reason im using kubuntu is for some reason ubuntu wouldent boot
[03:13] <ekim\> really frustrating
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> !includes
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about includes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <ekim\> Can sombody please help me ?
[03:15] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: x-dev
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, maybe not.
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> !xincludes
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xincludes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <BonBonTheJon> !x-dev
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh. It was just a lot of lag.
[03:16] <ubotu> x-dev: dummy package for transition purposes. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.4-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[03:16] <ekim\> Please ?
[03:16] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: I'm trying to find an answer on the web site
[03:16] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: or maybe libx11-dev
[03:16] <Dr_willis> you mean the ubuntu live cd wouldent boot but the kuibuntu live cd would ?
[03:16] <ekim\>  O ok
[03:17] <n00btard> hmmmm
[03:17] <ekim\>  :)
[03:17] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: or maybe kdebase-dev
[03:17] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: if you can, try downloading the kubuntu alternative install cd
[03:17] <n00btard> im confused..
[03:17] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: just what are you trying to confiure ?
[03:18] <n00btard> why it is giving me this path error thing
[03:18] <BonBonTheJon> !x11-dev
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x11-dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 n00btard: just what are you trying to confiure ?
[03:18] <n00btard> when i select kdebase-dev for install it says "BREAK (install)" what does that mean?
[03:19] <n00btard> im trying to build this program
[03:19] <n00btard> with kdevelop
[03:19] <fateisajester> is there a gui for wine?
[03:20] <ekim\> ...you need one ?
[03:20] <Dr_willis> fateisajester,  a gui to do what? theres a config tool for wine with a gui.. but i hear its not  advised to use any more
[03:20] <fateisajester> it would be nice
[03:20] <ekim\> erm ok
[03:20] <Dr_willis> double click on the .exe :) perhaps
[03:21] <fateisajester> really?
[03:21] <fateisajester> that easy?
[03:21] <Dr_willis> when i install stuff with wine. it puts icons for the programs in my kde menu
[03:21] <larson9999> Dr_willis, wine-tools?  i hear that too but i always do use it.  too many things that i can't get set up without it
[03:21] <ekim\> indeed
[03:21] <fateisajester> lol
[03:21] <Dr_willis> fateisajester,  go find sol.exe and try.
[03:21] <olivier> hi no body's asleep here?
[03:22] <larson9999> olivier, i am
[03:22] <fateisajester> i am too
[03:22] <olivier> bien, je commence  tre un peu crev aussi moi :)
[03:22] <ekim\> nice
[03:23] <olivier> english room?
[03:23] <Dr_willis> !fr
[03:23] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:23] <Dr_willis> Wee. :)
[03:23] <olivier> thx
[03:23] <fateisajester> god i feel so stupid
[03:23] <fateisajester> lol
[03:23] <olivier> doesn't matter
[03:23] <n00btard> how do i fix this error? configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:24] <Dr_willis> n00btard,  fire up the package manager.. search for 'dev' and install anything that looks like X11 and dev :)
[03:24] <n00btard> ok
[03:24] <olivier> good night everybody
[03:24] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search x11 | grep dev
[03:24] <Dr_willis> gives me a few hits..
[03:24] <larson9999> still can't believe these dorks go to 13 year old girls' houses they met online looking for sex
[03:25] <Dr_willis> xlibs-dev - X Window System client library development files transitional package
[03:25] <Dr_willis> would be a start
[03:25] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: go to the console and type "dpkg -l | grep ubiquity", that should tell you if ubiquity is installed
[03:25] <Dr_willis> ibx11-dev - X11 client-side library (development headers)
[03:25] <ekim\> erm
[03:25] <Dr_willis> also --------->  libx11-dev - X11 client-side library (development headers)
[03:26] <ekim\> what is ubiquity ?
[03:26] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: the live cd installer
[03:26] <ekim\> O
[03:26] <ekim\> cool
[03:26] <ekim\> 1 sec
[03:26] <n00btard> wtf, now i have this error...
[03:26] <n00btard> configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:26] <n00btard> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[03:26] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: then type "dpkg -L ubiquity" to find the files installed
[03:27] <n00btard> why the hell doesn't kdevelop install all this shit when i install the program?
[03:27] <ekim\> Cam you pm me this please
[03:28] <ekim\> Hmm
[03:28] <ekim\> Weird
[03:28] <ekim\> it did nothing
[03:28] <ekim\> No errors or anything
[03:28] <BonBonTheJon> ok
[03:28] <ekim\> Can I install it somehow
[03:28] <ekim\>  ?
[03:29] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: try "dpkg -L ubiquity"
[03:29] <ekim\> k
[03:29] <ekim\> Package ubiquity is not installed
[03:30] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: maybe this isn't dapper, in which case there is no installer, and you will need to download an install cd
[03:30] <ekim\> :(
[03:30] <ekim\> K
[03:30] <ekim\> Also one more question
[03:30] <ekim\> remember when I said ubuntu wouldent boot
[03:30] <ekim\> as apposed to kubuntu
[03:30] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: yeah
[03:31] <ekim\> Welll I found this boot floppy thing
[03:31] <ekim\> Right...
[03:31] <ekim\> Using a program called rawrite
[03:31] <ekim\> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:31] <ekim\> problem is it only shows how to do it on windows
[03:31] <ekim\> is there a way to do it on linux
[03:32] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: that would be used if you can't boot from cd
[03:32] <ekim\> Yeah...
[03:32] <ekim\> Oh well
[03:32] <ekim\> IT will work for my purposes
[03:32] <ekim\> How do you do it on linux
[03:32] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: do you have bittorent? the download of a new cd should take only 10 minutes, then burn a new one
[03:33] <ekim\> I just downloaded ubuntu
[03:33] <ekim\> ...
[03:33] <ekim\> I wonder why it wont boot
[03:33] <ekim\> ...it boots into this thing called somthing like DSC-DOS
[03:34] <n00btard> what does "BREAK (install)" mean in Adept?
[03:34] <ekim\> or DRD-DOS
[03:34] <ekim\> or somthign like that
[03:34] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: is the cd ok, you should be a check cd option on boot
[03:34] <Dr_willis> DR-DOS
[03:34] <Dr_willis> If your system is booting to DR-DOS - that tells me its booting the Hard drive.. not the cdrom. and some how you managed to have a dr-dos bootloader on the hd.
[03:35] <ekim\> I see
[03:35] <ekim\> ...
[03:35] <ekim\> Thats it
[03:35] <ekim\> DR-dos
[03:35] <ekim\> anyways
[03:35] <ekim\> if I get to there is that bad
[03:35] <Dr_willis> #1 check the cd.. what FILES are on the cd.. if theres Somthing.iso - you burnt it wrong
[03:35] <ekim\> Indeed
[03:35] <ekim\> I thout so
[03:35] <ekim\> It was just ubuntu.iso
[03:35] <ekim\> ...I knew somthing was amiss...
[03:36] <ekim\> but the thing is ...I have burnt many isos before
[03:36] <Dr_willis> Bingo! "You just made a coaster" :)
[03:36] <ekim\> and I specifially selected BOOTABLE iso
[03:36] <ekim\> ...
[03:36] <ekim\> haha
[03:36] <Dr_willis> I always use 'burn at once ' under windows.. double click on an iso.. click burn and away it goes.
[03:36] <ekim\> Its ok
[03:36] <ekim\> I also effecrivley made a 20 cent coaster
[03:36] <ekim\> ...I used nero
[03:36] <Dr_willis> 20 cent? gesh.. buy in bulk man
[03:37] <Dr_willis> in nero i just use the burn iso image.. (i think) never select anything
[03:37] <ekim\> yeh I know ...
[03:37] <Dr_willis> been ages since ive used nero
[03:37] <ekim\> I didnt need that many
[03:37] <ekim\> Dr_willis:  for good reason
[03:37] <ekim\> ...
[03:37] <ekim\> ITs that ...it was already on the pc
[03:37] <ekim\> Ok
[03:37] <ekim\> I knew somthing was wrong when all I saw was ubuntu.iso on the disk
[03:38] <ekim\> Ok
[03:38] <ekim\> How long does it take for the ubuntu install
[03:38] <larson9999> 20 cents is cheap
[03:38] <BonBonTheJon> ekim:\ 30 mins, maybe
[03:38] <ekim\> say on a 1ghz pc with a 52x cdrom
[03:38] <ekim\> 256 megs of ram
[03:38] <larson9999> isn't it?
[03:38] <Dr_willis> 30min to an hr..
[03:39] <ekim\> That is reasonable hardware for ubuntu right
[03:39] <Dr_willis> ram is a little low..
[03:39] <ekim\> ...
[03:39] <Dr_willis> but should work ok,
[03:39] <ekim\> :(
[03:39] <ekim\> I know
[03:39] <ekim\> but its not too bad right
[03:39] <ekim\> Is ubuntu more or less ramhungry than windows
[03:39] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: maybe look into xubuntu?
[03:39] <ekim\> nah
[03:39] <Dr_willis> Much less hungry
[03:39] <ekim\> I REALLY REALLY like the ubuntu ui
[03:39] <ekim\> metacity is my thing ;)
[03:39] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:40] <ekim\> Ubuntu
[03:40] <Dr_willis> then why are you hanging in #kubuntu :)
[03:40] <Dr_willis> lol
[03:40] <ekim\> Because im USING kubuntu now
[03:40] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: xubuntu does a lot of the same as ubuntu
[03:40] <Dr_willis> we make fun of Gnome users  in here! :)
[03:40] <ekim\> ...I dont care
[03:40] <ekim\> ...
[03:40] <thompa> ive been trying gnome
[03:40] <ekim\> Kde is too shiny
[03:40] <Dr_willis> The more i tried gnome... the more i hated it.
[03:40] <ekim\> why is that ?
[03:40] <thompa> have used kde for about 5 years now
[03:40] <Dr_willis> Gnome is too Dull. :)
[03:41] <Dr_willis> happy?
[03:41] <ekim\> Exactly
[03:41] <ekim\> Kde is distracting to me
[03:41] <Dr_willis> actually many of the features i wanted/used were not in gnome.. apaently the Devs decided that the users are idiots and easially confused.
[03:41] <ekim\> I like the colors of gnome
[03:41] <thompa> it depends for me, i dont like the way ubuntu has gnome, but that can change in some settings
[03:41] <Dr_willis> colors.. pffft.
[03:41] <ekim\> their warmer
[03:41] <ekim\> :)
[03:41] <thompa> also you can run Konqueror in gnome
[03:42] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: you can change the colors
[03:42] <ekim\> Its not about the colors
[03:42] <ekim\> ...
[03:42] <Dr_willis> first thing i do on a new system is be sure to have ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu desktops all installed.
[03:42] <ekim\> Its the whole design
[03:42] <thompa> the other theing you may want to try is just changing the kde desktop settings and panel.. have panel on top
[03:42] <ekim\> Ok
[03:43] <ekim\> here is a tough question (NOT) how can I burn an iso (CORRECTLY!!!!) in kubuntu
[03:43] <Dr_willis> GNOME guys keep changing their minds about wether to use the Browser filemanager system. or the spatial mode. :P   heh.. that was an amusing flamewar or 5 to read.
[03:43] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  with the live cd? Hmmm...
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: use kb3
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> !kb3
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kb3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  correct? you are now on the Kubuntu live cd?
[03:43] <ekim\> O ok
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> !k3b
[03:43] <thompa> first i dont like any log in sound, or the graphics
[03:43] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[03:43] <ekim\> I wasnt suer if k3b did images out of the box (so to speak)
[03:43] <ekim\> Cool
[03:44] <Dr_willis> bbl
[03:44] <ekim\> I love irc
[03:44] <thompa> if i put the debian blue background in gnome first, remove sound, add konquerer, but kubuntu is very minimal too
[03:45] <Simulacra> has anyone here had any luck getting the rt71 wireless drivers to work
[03:45] <thompa> right now i hope this upgrade fixes kubuntu edgy, make screens a little sluggish
[03:46] <thompa> i think its the nvidia is not working
[03:46] <Simulacra> im also having trouble with VIA Deltachrome
[03:46] <ekim\> I am such an idiot
[03:46] <thompa> if you change in xorg.conf driver to vesa it always works
[03:46] <ekim\> I just realized...I cant burn a cd ...because Im using the cd drive to run the OS
[03:46] <ekim\> gege
[03:46] <ekim\> hehe
[03:46] <BonBonTheJon> lol
[03:46] <ekim\> Is there a k3b for windows ?
[03:47] <thompa> but i am wondering what else is happening when there is a system upgrade that requires a reboot because of kernel
[03:47] <ekim\> Just curious
[03:47] <ekim\> Looking for a good burning app
[03:47] <Dave_W> Can anybody help me troubleshoot/diagnose a dcc problem?
[03:47] <ekim\> dcc like irc dcc ?
[03:47] <ekim\> Ok later guys
[03:47] <Dave_W> yes
[03:47] <thompa> k3b was eating too much power too
[03:47] <ekim\> Ill be back in like 20 minutes .
[03:47] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: good luck
[03:47] <thompa> or maybe cause i got 300w only
[03:47] <ekim\> Hopefully with ubuntu installing :)
[03:47] <ekim\> thanks
[03:47] <ekim\> Ill be back
[03:48] <thompa> i did it once
[03:48] <thompa> cant remember how, was in kanotix
[03:49] <thompa> im using that too and edubuntu
[04:09] <Torched> why did amarok just freeze my computer for half an hour?
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon> Torched: what were you doing with it
[04:10] <Torched> nothing
[04:10] <Torched> i loaded up a stream someone pasted
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon> Torched: what happened just before it crashed
[04:10] <Torched> and it started building a collection in the background
[04:10] <Torched> i didn't ask it to
[04:11] <Torched> meanwhile the computer ground to a halt while amarok built a collection
[04:11] <Torched> this took half an hour
[04:12] <BonBonTheJon> Torched: you might want to ask around on #amarok
[04:23] <josh_> !easysources
[04:23] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:35] <actinic> 5 or 6 Ubuntu books now out.  Any suggestions?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> I got that Ubuntu Hacks - it has some nice info i dident know.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> Problem with Linux books - is you often waste your $$ on things that tell you stuff you allready know
[04:42] <orkid__> anyone care to help with an nvidia edgy problem?
[04:42] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu Hacks helped me do a few things  I dident know about.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> orkid__,  heh ..  seems like that stuff either works... or wont work.
[04:43] <orkid__> root@ubuntu:~# modprobe nvidia
[04:43] <orkid__> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[04:43] <orkid__> (prolly bad module version or somethin?)
[04:43] <Hawkwind> orkid__: If you're running Edgy, try in #Ubuntu+1
[04:43] <Dr_willis> check dmesg output.
[04:43] <orkid__> (everything's upto date...)
[04:43] <orkid__> Hawkwind: will do.
[04:44] <actinic> how about 'Ubuntu Unleashed" ?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> Google for book reviews i guess
[04:47] <Dr_willis> books for linux shouldent have a lot of pictures.  Arizona
[04:58] <niroxx> arizona rocks ;)
[04:58] <actinic> yeah we've got alot of 'em :)
[04:58] <actinic> bye!
[05:01] <ranio> a
[05:01] <niroxx> hi
[05:01] <ranio> hi
[05:02] <niroxx> i will sleep yet, good night
[05:02] <ranio> I have some error with firefox
[05:02] <ranio> help me
[05:03] <niroxx> which errors ?
[05:03] <ranio> downloaded firefox
[05:03] <ranio> and run ./firefox
[05:03] <niroxx> and ... ?
[05:04] <ranio> ./run-mozilla.sh : line131: 6291 segmentation error
[05:04] <ranio> "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[05:04] <ranio> so i can't run firefox
[05:05] <niroxx> uh and the download was really finished ? md5 sum was correct ?
[05:05] <ranio> yes
[05:05] <ranio> i tried two times ,but same error
[05:06] <ranio> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:06] <ranio> and this error
[05:06] <niroxx> have you tried to download firefox of the kubuntu repos ?
[05:06] <ranio> no
[05:07] <ranio> I am beginner
[05:07] <niroxx> than go to the console type in : "sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox"
[05:07] <ranio> ok.
[05:07] <niroxx> no problem, it will function
[05:08] <sjg0120> Can any one help me plz~
[05:09] <sjg0120> plz tell me how to download codec for playing movie
[05:09] <niroxx> ranio: does is work ?
[05:09] <lluka> hey there, anyone know how to get a jar file to open?
[05:09] <niroxx> does it work
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !w32codec
[05:09] <ranio> wait plz
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <niroxx> k
[05:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !codec
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <sjg0120> thank you~
[05:09] <Dr_willis> Stupid bot.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I always go get the w32codecs from the mplayer homepage and install them manually.
[05:10] <sjg0120> oh i see
[05:10] <sjg0120> thank you for helping me
[05:10] <Dr_willis> but theres other ways to get it  if you set up the right repo.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I jut cant rember the bot factoid.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> go ask in #ubuntu
[05:11] <KDEfanboy> lluka: java -jar FILE
[05:11] <lluka> it give me error
[05:11] <ranio> ok ~!
[05:11] <ranio> thanks
[05:11] <lluka> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[05:11] <niroxx> no problem, good night
[05:11] <ranio> niroxx : thanks~
[05:11] <niroxx> ranio: ;)
[05:11] <niroxx> see you
[05:11] <KDEfanboy> lluka: a repository app?
[05:11] <ranio> see you~
[05:12] <lluka> no just a jar file
[05:13] <KDEfanboy> lluka: could be anyting from problem with the app, java version mismatch, or java interpreter (ie, official verson vs blackdown)
[05:14] <lluka> i dont think any java apps work
[05:15] <KDEfanboy> lluka: even hello world?
[05:15] <lluka> how do i check the hello world
[05:15] <lluka> i just wanna play pac man lol
[05:15] <jason> hi
[05:16] <jason> i need help
[05:16] <jason> any helpers out thre???
[05:16] <Dr_willis> ask a question and see.
[05:16] <jason> ok i want firefox
[05:16] <jason> i have a default install of kubuntu
[05:17] <jason> i cant figure out how to install it i figured it should be on the cd
[05:17] <jason> i even tried an auto install script from the internet
[05:17] <jason> it seemed to work but
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  that add/remove programs icon dont have it in there?
[05:17] <jason> i get an error when i try and launch it from command
[05:17] <jason> its in there
[05:17] <jason> i think but it was greyed out
[05:18] <jason> or that was java that was greyed
[05:18] <Dr_willis> java is not needed..  i think. :)
[05:18] <jason> the add/remove didnt have much to choose from
[05:18] <Dr_willis> add/rremove programs. -  'any suite' search for firefox.
[05:18] <jason> let me try brb
[05:18] <Dr_willis> learn to use the tool. :P check the check box's and pull down menus
[05:19] <lluka> got a jar file i can test that u think shoudl work?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> 18422 packages are 'installable' :)
[05:19] <jason> hey bud its in there but its greyed and uncheckable
[05:19] <Dr_willis> did it ask for your password when you started it?
[05:20] <jason> yes
[05:20] <Dr_willis> thats odd..
[05:20] <jason> i dont think there are that many on mine
[05:20] <jason> is there a file that pooooints to the package sources
[05:20] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[05:20] <jason> like how do i tell it to look on the cd
[05:20] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn to use the apt system
[05:21] <Dr_willis> first thign i do is disable the cdrom as a source for software. i download it off the internet
[05:21] <ejm> this channel must have a bot for troubleshooting? good, because I'm going to need one.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[05:21] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu0.6.06 (dapper), package size 7739 kB, installed size 22928 kB
[05:21] <Dr_willis> jason,  you SHOULD be able to do a 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[05:21] <jason> ok dr let me try it
[05:22] <Dr_willis> of course ya should  proberly do a  'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'  first. :P
[05:22] <KDEfanboy> lluka: which java package do you have installed?
[05:22] <ejm> oops, I'm on the wrong channel. I should be on the mepis channel, not the kubuntu.
[05:23] <jason> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:23] <jason> whats a good repo for apt\
[05:23] <jason> whats the official repo and where do i put it in my file
[05:23] <lluka> java-common, java-gcj-compat, java-gcj-compat-dev, and i compiles the jre
[05:24] <lluka> the general error seems to  be in finding the "thread in main" java.lang etc etc
[05:24] <lluka> each time its slightly different
[05:24] <lluka> but it alwasy has the word 'main'
[05:24] <jason> anyone know?
[05:24] <ejm> how would I get my broadcom 4318 wifi to work on ubuntu 6?
[05:25] <ejm> I got it to work in the last version, 5.10
[05:25] <Dr_willis> jason,   do a  'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'  first perhaps
[05:25] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[05:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:26] <Dr_willis> jason,  then perhaps use that source-o-matic page to generate a new sources.list Or use adept to enable the other repos.
[05:26] <lluka> heres another one
[05:26] <lluka> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from myjar.jar
[05:27] <jpiccolo_> i have a question for you guys, how can i connect to another pcs xserver from a different pc that only has cli
[05:27] <jason> sudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf
[05:27] <jason> i dont even have gedit
[05:28] <Dr_willis> gedit is notpart of Kubuntu :P
[05:28] <Dr_willis> thats Ubuntu
[05:28] <Dr_willis> try kate
[05:28] <Dr_willis> or learn vi :)
[05:28] <ejm> kedit
[05:28] <jpiccolo_> mmmm vi
[05:28] <Dr_willis> ejm,  :P if you say so.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> for once gnome and kde use a similer name?! that cant be!!
[05:29] <ejm> lol I'm actually using simplymepis.
[05:29] <ejm> I'd use ubuntu, but my wifi is messed up.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> willis@Audigy:~$ kedit
[05:29] <Dr_willis> bash: kedit: command not found
[05:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !info kedit
[05:29] <ubotu> kedit: basic text editor for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 116 kB, installed size 456 kB
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !info kate
[05:29] <ubotu> kate: advanced text editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 754 kB, installed size 2164 kB
[05:29] <ejm> sweet...this bot is so much better than the susehelp bot on #suse.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> see... one is advanced... :P other is basic! :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !info kvim
[05:30] <ubotu> Package kvim does not exist in any distro I know
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Wtf!
[05:30] <ejm> lol
[05:30] <KDEfanboy> lluka: hm, first thing i'd say is that you don't need to compile a jre since there are some available in the repository
[05:30] <Dr_willis> But i like.. have kvim installed..
[05:30] <mabreaux> vym
[05:30] <lluka> was giving me the same error before :/
[05:30] <mabreaux> ?
[05:31] <KDEfanboy> lluka: since you're trying to run a non-repository app, you'll get more help on java-specific errors for it in #java
[05:31] <KDEfanboy> lluka: what error?
[05:31] <lluka> the manifesting main class
[05:31] <lluka> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from jar.jar
[05:31] <method|> would anyone like to test out this mp3 announcer script i made for konversation + amarok?
[05:32] <lluka> i reinstalled the repository apps tho
[05:33] <M4X1MUM> whats the command to show the chmod of all files?
[05:33] <jason> boys
[05:33] <jason> it was because when i installed i had no internet connection
[05:34] <jason> so it commented out my sources by defult
[05:34] <jason> because  they "didnt verify"
[05:34] <jason> or girls
[05:34] <jason> whoever
[05:38] <Manyfold> how to activate hardware acceleration for my graphic card?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> jason,  thats why ya should of enabled the repos with adept :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> but now ya know! and knowing is half the battle!
[05:39] <Dr_willis> I thought the add/remove programs tool - when first ran - asked to enable the different repos.. that may of been a  older version of it.
[05:39] <jason> Dr_willis: i just deleted the #
[05:39] <jason> how do i enable them with adept
[05:39] <jason> i didnt see an option
[05:40] <Dr_willis> adept would just remove the #'s
[05:40] <jpiccolo_> is there a  way that i can have a xserver installed but not boot to it automatically? just stay at the command line and i can start it if i want to?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> add/remove is a  more dumbed down interface.. adept has a repo thing  in the menus somewhere.. I perfer synaptic myself.
[05:40] <jason> i didnt see anything about sources in adept
[05:40] <Dr_willis> did you  run adept or dod you just run that 'add/remove programs' icon?
[05:41] <jason> the icon once i actually ran adept
[05:41] <Dr_willis> right now adept is dwnloading so i cant check the menus. :()
[05:41] <jason> what r u running
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !adept
[05:41] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:41] <jason> it cme default on kubuntu
[05:41] <KDEfanboy> lluka: hm.. what instructions did you follow to install java?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Installing games at the moment with that 'add/remove programs' icon which i THINK is a 'adept in a light-user-interface mode'
[05:42] <jpiccolo_> whats the path to the gdm.conf
[05:43] <Dr_willis> locate gdm.conf
[05:43] <Dr_willis> should find it.
[05:43] <lluka> i got hello world to werk
[05:43] <jpiccolo_> ok cool thanks
[05:43] <lluka> but pac man wont work still
[05:43] <lluka> :(
[05:43] <lluka> now its saying
[05:43] <vaimaca> hi
[05:43] <Dr_willis>  /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is one i see
[05:44] <lluka> exception  in thread..... at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
[05:44] <jpiccolo_> hrm nope
[05:44] <Dr_willis> what pacman?
[05:44] <jpiccolo_> and located doesnt work either
[05:44] <Dr_willis> your locate database may not be updated
[05:45] <Dr_willis> You do realize that this is KUBUNTU :P gdm is not installed by default in Kubuntu.
[05:45] <jpiccolo_> oh haha\
[05:45] <jpiccolo_> yeah
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <KDEfanboy> lluka: i'd recommoned making sure you have installed using Ubuntu's instructions. after doing that, since you're trying to run a non-repository app, you should check the docs for the app and try #java
[05:45] <KDEfanboy> !java > lluka
[05:46] <jpiccolo_> Dr_willis, whats the kde version of gdm?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> kdm
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:46] <Dr_willis> then a got the old xdm
[05:46] <M4X1MUM> guys whats the shortcut to minise windows?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> then theres the PORN variant XXXdm
[05:47] <jpiccolo_>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.config
[05:48] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo_,  that would be a package file/cache is my guess
[05:48] <KDEfanboy> M4X1MUM: Control Center -> Rgional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts. [Global Shortcuts]  -> System -> Windows -> Minimize Window
[05:48] <Dr_willis>       /etc/kde3/kdm
[05:49] <Dr_willis>    /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[05:49] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo_,  you do realize thres a nice gui front end to configuring KDM. :)
[05:49] <jpiccolo_> i see, still kinda a nub
[05:49] <jpiccolo_> no i did not
[05:50] <Dr_willis> it pays to explore the control panel tools. :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> 'system settings' :) not control panel
[05:50] <jpiccolo_> hehe yeah
[05:50] <jpiccolo_> ha control panel
[05:51] <Dr_willis> 'only the names have been changed.. to protect the lawyers'
[05:51] <M4X1MUM> thanks!
[05:52] <TheHighChild> anyone pretty knowledgeable about the different glx things? I have a few questions about which is best for me
[05:52] <Dr_willis> You dont want to hear my answers.. I HATE glx. :)
[05:53] <TheHighChild> I tried one configuration and it was horrible
[05:53] <TheHighChild> I just want a few of the effects, like desktop switching without pillaging my keyboard shortcuts
[05:54] <M4X1MUM> !nvidia
[05:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  write a howto on it now! :)
[05:54] <noiesmo> Blacken, yeah buy a nvidia card
[05:54] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I would, if I hadn't completely ballsed it from the beginning.
[05:54] <M4X1MUM> how do i set the default internet browser??
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Oh - one of those spent 4 hrs... learning to do a 3 min job? :P
[05:55] <TheHighChild> start > system settings > KDE components (under personal) > Default applications
[05:55] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Close. See...I didn't read carefully...and I installed the ATI package first *without* config'ing it for Ubuntu...AND then tried the apt-get linux-restricted-modules way...
[05:55] <TheHighChild> M4X1MUM:
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  :P
[05:56] <Blacken> noiesmo: Find an nVidia laptop card that doesn't entirely, entirely suck AND is sold by Dell for the extremely awesome Inspiron E1X05 series of notebooks. Then I'll get an nVidia card. But I won't hold my breath.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> i can honestly say ive never used the ati installer under ubuntu
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Nvidia based laptops can be rare.. sadly
[05:56] <M4X1MUM> aaah nice thanks
[05:56] <TheHighChild> np
[05:56] <Blacken> Dr_willis: It wasn't bad once I R'd TFH.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:57] <noiesmo> Blacken, fair enough, there should be more nvidia laptops
[05:57] <TheHighChild> so no glx/xgl/aiglx freaks in here?
[05:57] <Blacken> noiesmo: Actually, no...no...there really shouldn't be. :P
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i was suprised when the ATI stuff worked for my x200m laptop
[05:57] <Dr_willis> gee just wait for Intel to buy nvidia , and AMD to get ATI into shape...
[05:58] <Dr_willis> then... where will matrox go?
[05:58] <M4X1MUM> glx freak?
[05:58] <M4X1MUM> my pc is amd with nvidia :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> heck - where are they now?
[05:58] <TheHighChild> meaning, someone that knows them and about them
[05:58] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Where it belongs. Down with the nice chap with a pitchfork and pointy tail.
[05:59] <TheHighChild> I can get the stuff working. I am not looking for someone to talk me through a process, just share their experience and see if I can get what I want out of it
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  find a live cd with it - and play for an hr.. then dump it. :P
[05:59] <Blacken> And since I'm pretty sure that I probably won't like it (but want to try it anyway), I want to be able to roll back easily.
[05:59] <Blacken> Dr_willis: LiveCDs suck...I want to experience using it on my normal stuff.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  bah..  Live CD's Rock.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> saved my Backside many a times.
[06:00] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Knoppix is nice for that, sure. I meant for anything more than that.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Not sure how legally some of these live cds are including the nvidia and ati drivers however... :)
[06:00] <KDEfanboy> Dr_willis: which?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> I got a broke laptop - that runs SaxenOS :) it can even net-boot OTHER machines on the lan.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> KDEfanboy,  i forget which one did it last week for me.. i test most of them in vmware. but one did have  the nvidia drivers
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu's live cd - is somewhat lacking in ways
[06:01] <Dr_willis> i found a Windows XP live cd the other day.. :) now thats scary
[06:02] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, bartpe 's not bad when you do need ntfs read/write support otherwise give me a knoppix disk anyday
[06:02] <Dr_willis> belenix0.5.iso  deli-0.7.iso  DLxfce2.1_WORKS_060920-en.iso  Elive_Revolution.iso
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i THINK that elive_revolution livecd had the nvidia drivers on it.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Accelerated-KNX-1.1_20060613.iso   - looked neat.. but the download took forever.. and then dident work. :()
[06:03] <Dr_willis> its supposed to be optmized to boot faster
[06:04] <mabreaux> Yes Dr Willis that is very scary!
[06:04] <TheHighChild> Doesn't Xandros?
[06:04] <TheHighChild> or at least til they got sued
[06:05] <flaccid> what is the theme that kubuntu uses
[06:05] <flaccid> i can not select it again in kcontrol
[06:05] <Dr_willis> I was thinking Mepis or Xandros inclded them also.. but they got permission.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  no 'human' theme?
[06:06] <TheHighChild> Dr_willis: Permission? from whom? They were sued for violating the GPL, they'd have ahd to get a lot of permission.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> They got the ok from nvidia and other companies. to include the nvidia drivers
[06:06] <Dr_willis> or are we talking about 2 different companies/things. :P
[06:06] <Dr_willis> I forget the details even.. heh
[06:06] <flaccid> no human theme
[06:07] <flaccid> oh who did i ask in here about changing firefox font?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  isent Plastik the default theme? i
[06:07] <flaccid> looks like you can in Appearance -> GTK styles and fonts
[06:07] <jpiccolo_> i remeber when walmart was selling pcs with lindows on them
[06:07] <TheHighChild> Xandros was sued for violating the GPL by distributing a distro that included kernel level - closed source modules
[06:07] <flaccid> Dr_willis: i got something else with my install
[06:07] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  pick one ya like. :P lol
[06:07] <Blacken> I still wonder if it'd be possible to wrap all of that into the install process.
[06:08] <flaccid> the one i like is the deafult one
[06:08] <Blacken> Have two CD's in the box. CD 1 is Linux, CD 2 has the restricted modules.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  i think thats how mepis does it.. not sure..
[06:08] <Blacken> Integrate on-the-fly.
[06:08] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I think so too.
[06:08] <Blacken> Dr_willis: The legality is still suspect.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> i recall a big argument/flamwar over it  some months ago
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I dont see much reason to use xandros over kubuntu , from what i am reading on the wiki pages :)
[06:14] <noiesmo> hmmm gaim does not seem to want to log on to msn anyone else having these problems
[06:15] <mabreaux> ?
[06:15] <TheHighChild> Kubuntu > *
[06:15] <TheHighChild> gaim blows
[06:15] <TheHighChild> but everything else blows more
[06:16] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, yeah so does msn but a couple mates are windows nuts so its easier to chat
[06:16] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: You have to upgrade to 2.0.3 beta
[06:16] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: 1.5 stopped working with MSN in August
[06:16] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, have done sys upgrade but will check gaim version cheers
[06:17] <TheHighChild> Betas will never be part of an upgrade to a release
[06:17] <TheHighChild> Have you tried Kopete?
[06:17] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, well there you go
[06:17] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, no will try it
[06:17] <TheHighChild> 2.0 is ok, mostly the same but a lot less options, you have to edit your gtorc just to get contrl -enter to send
[06:18] <TheHighChild> gaim 2.0*, .gtkrc*
[06:20] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, well kopetes crap
[06:21] <TheHighChild> i know, the blue heads freak me out. I still use gaim, I just do so with disdain
[06:21] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, will get gaim beta
[06:23] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: http://bsiebens.wordpress.com/2006/08/23/gaim-20-beta-3/
[06:24] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, cheers already downloading
[06:25] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: excellent, don't get your hopes up, there's nothing much done  to the UI and a ton of features removed. I can only presume the guts are what's being worked on.
[06:25] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, don't worry I won't all I wants basic chat anyway
[06:26] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: Cool, if you need any setup assistance, let me know
[06:27] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, thanks
[06:27] <Prak> i have a question about whether a laptop driver that's written for windows xp environment would work in kubuntu using an emulator
[06:28] <turtletime> Hi all, I'm thinking about installing kubuntu as a LAMP/Personal Dev Machine.  Can anyone point me to a package list for ubuntu/kubuntu? Is it basically debian packages or what? I'm looking for something like freshports.org for freebsd or http://www.gentoo-portage.com/ for gentoo... Anyone got anthing?
[06:29] <turtletime> Nevermind...google helped me :)
[06:29] <TheHighChild> Prak: Unlikely unless you're talking about wireless. In that case, ndiswrapper will do that
[06:31] <Prak> i'm using an acer travelmate 2300 laptop right now
[06:32] <Prak> i would like to retain the launch manager and the eSettings feature where i can control my fan to turn on all the time
[06:33] <Prak> in ubuntu
[06:34] <TheHighChild> Prak: I don't know of anything and am doubtful you'll find an emulator, however, there are probably some hacks out there to do the same things
[06:34] <Prak> ok
[06:34] <Prak> probably hold it off for now then
[06:34] <Prak> thanks
[06:35] <BonBonTheJon>  /msg nickserv link BonBonTheJon 2064679
[06:35] <Jucato> uh oh....
[06:38] <flaccid> so where to get the kubuntu default kde theme from?
[06:38] <BonBonTheJon> flaccid: what do you mean
[06:38] <Jucato> flaccid: what do you mean?
[06:39] <flaccid> when i installed kubuntu it had a different kde theme
[06:39] <flaccid> it is not in the list of themes
[06:39] <flaccid> and i want to go back to it
[06:40] <Jucato> In Dapper? the default color scheme is "Kubuntu Colors", the default window decoration is Crystal, default icon set is Crystal SVG, default style (not 100% sure) is Lipstik
[06:40] <flaccid> yes dapper
[06:40] <flaccid> w0a so a theme was never made?
[06:41] <Jucato> flaccid: KDE themes are handled differently from how Windows handles themes
[06:41] <flaccid> i don't use windows
[06:41] <flaccid> but a theme could be created to apply those styles could it not?
[06:41] <Jucato> or GNOME for that matter :)
[06:42] <BonBonTheJon> flaccid: Plastik theme is close to the default kubuntu them
[06:42] <flaccid> why do you assume i'm a windows user?
[06:42] <Jucato> flaccid: well it could, except that KDE Theme Manager is a bit gimped
[06:42] <flaccid> Plastik doesn't use the crysal window dec
[06:42] <Jucato> flaccid: I'm not assuming. I'm just stating a fact
[06:42] <Arepie> i've installed my ATI driver.. but.. there's an error..
[06:42] <flaccid> lol that fact didn't help :)
[06:42] <Arepie> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
[06:42] <Jucato> flaccid: Plastik is a widget style. you can use it with any window decorator
[06:42] <Jucato> decoration
[06:43] <june> !ntfs
[06:43] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:43] <Jucato> flaccid: afaik, Kubuntu doesn't use the "KDE Theme Manager" (.kth files) as much as possible
[06:43] <flaccid> basically my point is if someone wants to go back to kubuntu 'factory default' theme, there is no 1-click
[06:43] <Jucato> that's why it's not even in System Settings (but it is in KControl)
[06:43] <Jucato> ooh hybrid!
[06:44] <flaccid> but i appreciate you knowing the dapper components to change individually
[06:44] <flaccid> i'm back to normal now..
[06:44] <Jucato> flaccid: true. but you see, .kth files (KDE Theme Manager) only works if and only if *all* the components of the theme is already installed
[06:44] <Cyraq> wow, ssh is fast today.
[06:44] <flaccid> Jucato: thats ok, because by default they are
[06:44] <Jucato> it doesn't automatically install/download those themes if needed
[06:45] <flaccid> but the themes it needs are installed :)
[06:45] <flaccid> you would have to uninstall them
[06:46] <Jucato> true. but since KDE Theme Manager isn't in System Settings, it's a bit pointless to have a .kth file for the Kubuntu theme. imho
[06:47] <BonBonTheJon> what is the default media player in kubuntu? isn't it kaffeine?
[06:48] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: Kaffeine for video, Amarok for audio, KsCD for Audio CD's
[06:48] <Jucato> but Kaffeine can do all of those, too. @_@
[06:48] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: thanks, I've been using kmplayer, but I don't like it
[06:55] <Ademan> when i try to open a word *.doc all it displays is "Your browser does not support frames" what should I do?
[06:56] <Jucato> Ademan: can you right-click on it and select Open With OpenOffice?
[06:56] <Ademan> oh, yeah its being opened with open office
[06:57] <flaccid> !fat32
[06:57] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:57] <Jucato> it's OpenOffice that's giving that error message?
[06:57] <flaccid> program to scan fat32 partitions for errors?
[06:58] <Parkotron> flaccid: fsck.vfat, I think.
[06:58] <flaccid> mad thanks
[06:59] <Ademan> Jucato: no, its actually in the editing area
[06:59] <Jucato> maybe that's all that it contains?
[06:59] <Ademan> nope
[06:59] <Ademan> opened it with kate
[07:00] <Ademan> theres a LOT more
[07:00] <Arepie> what does this mean? -> "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!"
[07:00] <Jucato> hm.. strange indeed...
[07:00] <Ademan> Arepie: do you have your graphics divers?
[07:00] <Ademan> drivers*
[07:00] <Arepie> yes.. i've installed it
[07:01] <Arepie> i just install the new ATI driver
[07:01] <flaccid> sweet that works good
[07:01] <Ademan> Arepie: go to the console and do glxinfo, paste it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:01] <Arepie> Ademan: hold on
[07:02] <Ademan> Jucato: yeah, one of the lines i saw in kate was MicrosoftOffice.8  is it possible its an unsupported format?
[07:02] <Arepie> Ademan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25883/
[07:02] <Jucato> that I wouldn't know...  haven't touched an MS Word document in a looooooong time...
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: cooties?
[07:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nah. I just haven't had done any heavy duty word processing in years :)
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Wimp :)
[07:04] <Jucato> lol
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Real men Process :)
[07:04] <Jucato> wimp? I use Kate for my document needs, and mostly save in HTML format/code :P
[07:04] <arunkale> Jucato: Why does Kate add those damn dots after each word
[07:05] <Jucato> arunkale: not sure why. it's a setting I guess, for the benefit of programmers? not really sure
[07:05] <Ademan> its to signify a tab
[07:05] <Ademan> there's a way to turn it off
[07:05] <arunkale> Okay...
[07:05] <Ademan> gimme a sec
[07:05] <arunkale> Is there any way to get rid of those? :)
[07:06] <Jucato> Settings > Configure Kate > Editor group > Appearance > uncheck Show Indentation Lines?  (not 100% sure)
[07:07] <arunkale> okay..
[07:07] <arunkale> will try it
[07:07] <arunkale> btw, i cant wait for edgy this month
[07:07] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Poll time :)
[07:07] <mabreaux> anyone know when it is due to be released?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> arunkale: What are you interested in for edgy?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> !schedule
[07:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:08] <arunkale> The looks
[07:08] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:08] <Jucato> mabreaux: Oct 26 if all goes well
[07:08] <arunkale> Jucato: Show Indentation Lines is already unchecked
[07:08] <Jucato> arunkale: hm.. I'll go looking again :)
[07:09] <arunkale> What's Xen
[07:09] <TheHighChild> anyone use 3ddesktop?
[07:09] <Jucato> TheHighChild: I do
[07:10] <TheHighChild> Jucato: their site is skimpy, does it provide anything outside of the desktop switching? Is there a keyboard shortcut for it?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7221&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1134941050
[07:11] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:11] <Jucato> TheHighChild: well it's pure desktop switching, but there are different modes/styles of switching. you'd have to make your own keyboard shortcut for it
[07:11] <TheHighChild> Jucato: ok, thanks
[07:11] <Jucato> TheHighChild: man:/3ddesk (in Konqueror) gives a bit more detail
[07:13] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: You play Enemy Territory? If so, you have to try the No Quarter mod, a couple friends made it. Totally revived the game.
[07:13] <Jucato> arunkale: I'm baffled, I can't seem to see the setting. what version of Kate are you using btw?
[07:13] <arunkale> Kate 2.5.2
[07:13] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: What's it do?
[07:14] <Jucato> arunkale: hm.. probably they removed it in 2.5.4... I'm not sure...
[07:14] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: New weapons, much better admin interface, some new skins and animations, lots of new features like CPR and 9 levels per class.
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Hmmm :-)
[07:15] <arunkale> Where's that link with the Edgy screenshots
[07:15] <arunkale> What are the major differences in the looks?
[07:15] <arunkale> and other functions
[07:16] <Ademan> Arepie: sorry i was afk, doesnt sound like you installed them right
[07:16] <Ademan> either that or you may need to edit your xorg.conf
[07:17] <Arepie> how to edit my xorg.conf ?
[07:17] <wrabbit^> sudo gedit /sbin/xorg.conf
[07:17] <wrabbit^> I think that's the path
[07:17] <wrabbit^> ouchy
[07:17] <Jucato> arunkale: the "looks" may or may not be final yet. but as of Knot 3 (Alpha) they have this: http://jucato.multiply.com/photos/album/24 | for Beta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu and http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Kubuntu%206.10%20Beta
[07:18] <Jucato> Arepie: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:18] <wrabbit^> aww
[07:18] <wrabbit^> same thing
[07:18] <Jucato> what same thing?
[07:18] <wrabbit^> ksame kthing
[07:18] <Jucato> gedit is not installed on Kubuntu, so it would give him an error
[07:19] <Jucato> there is no /sbin/xorg.conf file, that would also give him an error
[07:19] <wrabbit^> ah alright.  I have ubuntu with the kde desktop.  Didn't realise they were different
[07:19] <Jucato> as for using sudo to launch gedit/kate...
[07:19] <DaSkreech> and you don't sudo graphical apps
[07:19] <Jucato> !kdesu
[07:19] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:20] <Jucato> hey leave some for me!! :)
[07:20] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Well now you have won half the battle :)
[07:20] <Jucato> lol... G.I. Joe :)
[07:21] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, There's a battle?
[07:21] <Jucato> "So now you know! And knowing is half the battle." - G.I. Joe
[07:21] <wrabbit^> ah right... I was more of a TMNT guy
[07:21] <Jucato> heh. cowabunga?
[07:22] <Jucato> (how do you spell that anyway?!?! lol!)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> As long as it has cow in it it's right
[07:22] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Seen the new movie?
[07:23] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: It's not even out yet, is it?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> No
[07:23] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, Then no
[07:23] <DaSkreech>  And John Woo isn't directing it any more :(
[07:23] <maryen> the power display in edgy freezes sometimes, how would i bug report it
[07:23] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: any idea who is? I lost touch with the shell heads a while back
[07:24] <DaSkreech> filmforce.ign.com shouldn't let you down :)
[07:25] <maryen> you guys should upgrade to edgy
[07:25] <maryen> you can play flash movies in firefox without any problems at all
[07:25] <arunkale> why is that right click dialog box for flash movies so ugly
[07:26] <Jucato> hm...  Next decade is soon for MS :P
[07:27] <wrabbit^> Is there a way to "repair and clean" my installation without having to a) reinstall and b)lose the saved stuff in /home/username?
[07:27] <arunkale> kubuntu edgy looks all web 2.0
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Whereas whenever KDE4 comes out it's too Damn long >_<
[07:27] <maryen> sound always runs in flash on edgy unless you are actually running a sound atm, like playing music in amarok
[07:27] <Jucato> arunkale: really? could you please define what web 2.0 is or looks like?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: is home on it's own parition
[07:27] <maryen> ill have you take that back arunkale
[07:28] <arunkale> haha okay, i'll take that back
[07:28] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: I'm pretty sure it isn't.  It was a default installation
[07:28] <arunkale> i just meant the gloss
[07:28] <maryen> ah
[07:28] <DaSkreech> A well consider doing that at some point :)
[07:28] <maryen> it is kinda glossy
[07:28] <maryen> but i like it
[07:28] <DaSkreech> What's the problem with your install?
[07:28] <mabreaux> when edgy comes out is there a system update proceedure or do you have to save and reformat?
[07:28] <maryen> plus fonts look a lot better, and everything is awesome
[07:28] <Jucato> heh since when did glossy = web 2.0? :P
[07:28] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[07:28] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:29] <arunkale> maryen: my fonts render like os x anyway
[07:29] <Jucato> mabreaux: you can just upgrade if you want to
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Everyone says that
[07:29] <DaSkreech>  what does that mean?
[07:29] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: No problems.    It's my first time on linux so now that everything is the way I like it, I had to go through alot of crap to get here
[07:29] <maryen> mabreaux, you just need to alter your repos to edgy ones and then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:29] <wrabbit^> Clean is good
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Sooooo you want to get rid of all the work you did to get to the point of it being good?
[07:30] <maryen> does apt in dapper have autoremove?
[07:30] <pierre_> hello
[07:30] <maryen> i forget
[07:30] <maryen> hi
[07:30] <Jucato> maryen: no
[07:30] <pierre_> i am looking for a great notebook solution - like onenote from ms... something compareable?
[07:30] <maryen> :/
[07:30] <maryen> onenote?
[07:30] <Jucato> maryen: but then again,there's aptitude :)
[07:31] <unix_infidel> pierre_: you're running a tablet on Kubuntu?
[07:31] <arunkale> What are the major functional differences between Edgy and Dapper?
[07:31] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, I know it sounds wierd but yeah.
[07:31] <maryen> knotes?
[07:31] <maryen> journal in kontact
[07:31] <pierre_> no - but i like onenote for my notes
[07:31] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel: May want to invert that question
[07:31] <Jucato> arunkale: more recent kernel, more recent KDE, more recent version of some apps
[07:31] <unix_infidel> DaSkreech: just woke up :)
[07:31] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: I won't learn anything otherwise.  First off, I'd like to get rid of automatix.  That thing did alot for me and I haven't learnt anything in the process.
[07:31] <arunkale> Jucato: ah, okay
[07:31] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel: Just going to bed
[07:31] <maryen> arunkale: apt has autoremove and can recognize when packages are no longer needed
[07:31] <Jucato> arunkale: new init system (upstart), new looks for System Settings, new themes
[07:32] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Ha ha wise choice
[07:32] <unix_infidel> i find VIM a better system for taking notes than onenote honestly.
[07:32] <arunkale> cool
[07:32] <maryen> arunkale: powermanagement is better
[07:32] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: What do you have in ~?
[07:32] <maryen> arunkale: alot better
[07:32] <pierre_> knotes and journal are both not convincing for me... i like the tab and structure in onenote
[07:32] <Jucato> maryen: have you tried removing something installed with kubuntu-desktop yet?
[07:32] <maryen> hmm?
[07:32] <unix_infidel> pierre_: if you just need tabs, vim+screen :P
[07:32] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: -?
[07:32] <maryen> not yet, why?
[07:32] <Jucato> Kontact's Journal is a.. joke... :(
[07:32] <TheHighChild> lol
[07:32] <unix_infidel> or a multitabbed $TERM with VIM
[07:32] <DaSkreech> ~ == $HOME
[07:32] <Jucato> KNotes in Kontact is a bit.. er...
[07:33] <arunkale> Jucato: look what I came across on google search.. 'Jucato's Data Core'
[07:33] <Jucato> arunkale: Wordpress or Multiply? :P
[07:33] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, ahh.  Just PDF files, python stuff and other misc. mp3 podcast episodes.
[07:33] <maryen> are you talking about the suggested apps jucato?
[07:33] <arunkale> Multiply
[07:33] <DaSkreech> arunkale: While searching for Jessica alba no doubt
[07:33] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, I could always burn em
[07:33] <arunkale> you're on Wordpress too?
[07:33] <arunkale> haha
[07:33] <Jucato> arunkale: *was*...
[07:33] <TheHighChild> I think Knotes rock. Ufortunately Outlook (although very crappy) is still better than Kontact
[07:33] <pierre_> unix_infidel - no that doesnt work so fine for me
[07:33] <pierre_> hehe
[07:33] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: sure if you don't have a spare hard drive somewhere
[07:33] <maryen> i love kontact
[07:34] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: When reinstalling make a parition for /home
[07:34] <Jucato> TheHighChild: yeah KNotes is good as a standalone app. but when you use it with Kontact.. it just isn't....
[07:34] <arunkale> i'm just upset i cant use xgl/compiz
[07:34] <maryen> arunkale: oh yeah, the open source drivers for video cards are much much better
[07:34] <TheHighChild> I like Kmail alot it's just not a very good client if you have to migrate a lot of mail
[07:34] <DaSkreech> pierre_: What do you like about onenote?
[07:34] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: alright.  Shouldn't be too hard.  I'll burn and give it a try now.  Once my installation for Ubuntu is done, I just have to sudo apt-get kde-desktop right?
[07:34] <maryen> arunkale: plus easy beryl usage
[07:34] <unix_infidel> does kmail handle outlook imports?
[07:34] <TheHighChild> Jucato: That's how I feela bout the entire Suite
[07:34] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Umm ok :)
[07:35] <arunkale> maryen: what's beryl
[07:35] <DaSkreech>  wrabbit^: You want KDE and Gnome?
[07:35] <pierre_> the tab structure... and the possibilite to organize all notes very well - fast and simple
[07:35] <TheHighChild> apt-get install
[07:35] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, Just KDE
[07:35] <pierre_> i like "memoranda" looks very good, but i cant install... get always error
[07:35] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Why don't you just use a kubuntu Cd?
[07:35] <Jucato> maryen: if you try to remove one of the default apps installed, it will try to remove almost everything
[07:35] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, I don't have one
[07:35] <maryen> arunkale: compiz forked and beryl is the community verion, with better kde support
[07:35] <DaSkreech> ha ha which Ubuntu Cd do you have?
[07:36] <wrabbit^> The latest
[07:36] <maryen> jucato: guh... -.0 they needa fix that
[07:36] <wrabbit^> 6.06 LLTS
[07:36] <wrabbit^> =L
[07:36] <DaSkreech> maryen: And even cooler is that KDE has better support for it :)
[07:36] <arunkale> maryen: too bad i can't get this stuff.. i have an integrated video card
[07:36] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Sorry I meant Live or alternate?
[07:36] <maryen> intel card?
[07:36] <arunkale> S3 Savage
[07:36] <Linux_Galore> yeah s3 works
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: My friend wants to build an AIGLX Ubuntu Live Cd
[07:36] <Jucato> I hope KNotes become as good as Tomboy someday... :(
[07:37] <maryen> arunkale: it might work, the open source ati drivers in edgy now have 3d acceleration
[07:37] <mike__> hello would a snes emulator need to be  ran in wine or should it start right in a file manager?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> It's a S3 mobo he has as well
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> arunkale: no good for heavy stuff like XGL though
[07:37] <arunkale> I need to get a new computer, but doesn't look like I'm going to be able to afford it anytime soon
[07:37] <maryen> mike_: apt-get zsnes
[07:37] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, it's the live/install cd
[07:37] <maryen> mike_: er apt-get install zsnes
[07:37] <Jucato> mike__: there's zsnes
[07:37] <wrabbit^> it was sent
[07:37] <DaSkreech> >_<
[07:37] <mike__> ok thanks all will try
[07:37] <DaSkreech> And you didn't get a Alternate Cd?
[07:37] <maryen> not that i use zsnes to play illegal games
[07:38] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, Not that I know of
[07:38] <mike__> maryen I didn't make that assumption
[07:38] <maryen> hopefully beryl will get cleaned up and faster
[07:38] <DaSkreech> maryen: It's open source so .... Duh!
[07:39] <maryen> daskreech: hush
[07:39] <DaSkreech> PLus it's totally useless Bling so lots of people will jump on it :)
[07:39] <maryen> actually i would think if properly programmed it could speed up your desktop by using your gpu to draw rather than the processor
[07:40] <arunkale> has anyone heard the new audioslave? it's f***in awesome
[07:40] <DaSkreech> maryen: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html
[07:41] <maryen> thats an awesome project
[07:41] <Jucato> arunkale: a new one? it's been there for almost like ages
[07:41] <maryen> and definitely needs to be done
[07:41] <arunkale> revelations?
[07:41] <Jucato> audiocd:/
[07:41] <maryen> then we can put those gnome users in their place once and for all
[07:42] <arunkale> i dont get how people prefer gnome over kde
[07:42] <DaSkreech> maryen: It's in SVN :)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Course no one is working on it :-P
[07:43] <Jucato> arunkale: two words: personal preference
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Hasn't been touched in 8 months
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Same way they prefer windows over * and fish over an interesting pet
[07:43] <mike__> when I try to run that apt get Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:43] <maryen> bah
[07:43] <pierre_> pierre@pg:~/Desktop/MemorandaSWT$ sudo sh MemorandaSWT.sh
[07:43] <pierre_> /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/bin/java -cp :./build/*.jar:./lib/*.jar:./lib/gtk/*.jar:./lib/jface/*.jar -Djava.library.path=./lib/gtk net.sf.memoranda.ui.swt.AppMain ''
[07:43] <pierre_> MemorandaSWT.sh: line 22: /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/bin/java: No such file or directory
[07:43] <DaSkreech> maryen: Interested in helping out?
[07:44] <pierre_> ups sorry :-)
[07:44] <maryen> you need to run sudo apt-get install zsnes mike_
[07:44] <maryen> sudo gives you admin priveledges
[07:44] <Jucato> mike__: "sudo apt-get install <packagename>"
[07:44] <mike__> k will try
[07:44] <pierre_> i always get that message ... how can i solve that problem? cause java is installed and working fine...
[07:44] <maryen> daskreech: i don't know how to program
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I don't recall seeing anything about that in my question :)
[07:45] <maryen> well ya i am
[07:45] <Jucato> contribute/help out != programming
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Preach Jucato!!
[07:45] <Jucato> :P
[07:45] <Jucato> no I'm not in a preachy mood today heh
[07:46] <Cyraq> http://tinyurl.com/h4q5b and http://tinyurl.com/hjcjs - please help me decide everyone
[07:46] <pierre_> please anyone help me with that problem : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25884/
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Well there are tow things needed to get this back up. one is the original authour whom I'm trying to work on and the otehr is public outcry :)
[07:46] <arunkale> man, i really need to use internet radio.. and i found this great app, but unfortunately it requires Java and Tomcat, and Dreamhost doesn't allow for servlets to be installed
[07:46] <Jucato> wow so many links to click!!
[07:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you're trying to work on the original author?
[07:47] <unix_infidel> arunkale: bebo?
[07:47] <maryen> public outcry
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Yeah he's very shrewd about hiding who he is and any reference to get in contact with him but I think I've tickled the surface
[07:47] <DaSkreech>  still hasn't responded to me though
[07:48] <DaSkreech> He's still working on open source stuff just shifted interests
[07:48] <maryen> ah
[07:48] <pierre_> come on:-) small help for me
[07:48] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't mind a set of good docs though to start going and a blessing from him
[07:48] <arunkale> bebo?
[07:48] <Jucato> pierre_: what version of Java did you install? Sun Java?
[07:48] <DaSkreech> maryen: Got a blog?
[07:49] <pierre_> japp
[07:49] <maryen> nope
[07:49] <DaSkreech> http://blog.case.edu/bmb12/2005/07/knoware_interface
[07:49] <Jucato> pierre_: japp?
[07:49] <pierre_> yes
[07:49] <Jucato> aah
[07:49] <pierre_> hehe sorry
[07:49] <Jucato> pierre_: did you follow the step to set the Default Java version?
[07:49] <arunkale> unix_infidel: what's bebo
[07:49] <pierre_> hm i guess not :-)
[07:50] <unix_infidel> nevermind, misread.
[07:50] <Jucato> pierre_: do that (it's in the Java wiki)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Of course the funn thing is that Edgy has a optional hardware database :)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> which plays right into Knoware's hand
[07:50] <Manyfold> i get no sound from amarok and kaffeine system sounds work
[07:50] <DaSkreech>  which plays right in to KDE's hand :)
[07:50] <maryen> i was about to say that
[07:50] <Jucato> DaSkreech: well, it's not optional in the sense that it's installed by default :P
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No it's optional the way knoware is optional
[07:50] <Manyfold> also glx is extremely slow
[07:50] <Jucato> Manyfold: trying to play MP3's?
[07:51] <Manyfold> yes and dvb
[07:51] <DaSkreech> You choose to add your specs to the global knowledge
[07:51] <maryen> the hardware database could give you a list of reported problems and solutions to your hardware
[07:51] <Manyfold> i get the tv image but not the sound
[07:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yeah I know that part :)
[07:51] <arunkale> anyone know any good internet radio/streaming solutions for linux? something where i can just stream songs from my server?
[07:51] <Jucato> Manyfold: you need to install libxine-extracodecs for MP3 playback
[07:51] <Jucato> !mp3 > Manyfold
[07:51] <pierre_> Jucato - alright , try to find
[07:52] <Jucato> !java > pierre_
[07:52] <Manyfold> Paket libxine-extracodecs ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen
[07:52] <Manyfold> Paket referenziert. Das kann heien, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet
[07:52] <Manyfold> ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfgbar ist.
[07:52] <Manyfold> E: Paket libxine-extracodecs hat keinen Installationskandida
[07:52] <Jucato> Manyfold: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[07:52] <maryen> !ge
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <maryen> !german
[07:52] <Jucato> !multiverse
[07:52] <Manyfold> where can i find that packet?
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:53] <Jucato> Manyfold: follow that guide ^^^^
[07:53] <maryen> !de
[07:53] <Jucato> (Repositories/Kubuntu)
[07:53] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:53] <maryen> yay i did it!
[07:53] <Jucato> maryen: not really needed since he seems to be speaking fine english :)
[07:53] <maryen> :( dont take this away from me
[07:53] <Jucato> lol
[07:53] <Jucato> I'm cruel :P
[07:54] <maryen> hey jucato
[07:54] <arunkale> anyone? internet radio/streaming?
[07:54] <maryen> is there a module list you can alter for modules to be loaded at start?
[07:55] <flaccid> arunkale: what is your question?
[07:55] <maryen> amarok can do internet radio if i remember correctly
[07:55] <Jucato> maryen: modules? not sure. services, probably System Settings > System Services ?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Eh?
[07:56] <arunkale> i want to be able to store some files on a remote server, and have the play list repeat all through the day
[07:56] <maryen> i run ndiswrapper, and for some reason it didnt load this boot
[07:56] <DaSkreech> arunkale: You want to make a internet radio station?
[07:56] <arunkale> Yes
[07:56] <DaSkreech> !icecast
[07:56] <maryen> not a huge problem but a little inconvenient
[07:56] <flaccid> arunkale: icecast server
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <DaSkreech> !info icecast
[07:56] <ubotu> Package icecast does not exist in any distro I know
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Abh
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Bah
[07:56] <maryen> maybe it needs a snack
[07:56] <Jucato> maryen: you could probably try looking into System Services? not sure as I'm unfamiliar with ndiswrapper and modules...
[07:56] <DaSkreech> anyway icecast is what you are looking for
[07:56] <maryen> !botsnack
[07:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Ha ha hahahahahahaha
[07:57] <Jucato> !icecast2
[07:57] <ubotu> icecast2: Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.1-2 (dapper), package size 256 kB, installed size 720 kB
[07:57] <maryen> lol
[07:57] <arunkale> I've heard Icecast requires commandline access?
[07:57] <maryen> eh
[07:57] <flaccid> arunkale: correct. but there are guis
[07:57] <arunkale> okay.. and i can use this from a remote server?
[07:57] <maryen> i probably updated something having to do with the kernel and it knocked it out of my modules
[07:58] <flaccid> arunkale: if you can run the process in shell
[07:58] <arunkale> will people need winamp/xmms to listen to it? or is there anyway i can embed a player in a pop up window?
[07:58] <Jucato> maryen: if you update the kernel, make sure that the linux-restricted-modules is updated/installed also
[07:58] <arunkale> flaccid: I dont think I have shell access
[07:58] <maryen> the module is running so its ok
[07:58] <flaccid> you can do .ogg and .mp3. client needs to support your stream format
[07:58] <pierre_> Jucato - i followed that steps, butgetting same message
[07:59] <flaccid> you can embed with web there is many ways
[07:59] <Jucato> hm... strange...
[08:00] <pierre_> :-(
[08:01] <pierre_> another idea what to do?
[08:01] <Jucato> sorry none... :(
[08:02] <pierre_> i think the Memoranda.sh included the wrong programm dir for java...
[08:02] <Jucato> probably
[08:03] <pierre_> look - here ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25885/
[08:04] <Jucato> pierre_: I think the problem is that the .sh file is hardcoded to look for Java in a specific directory only
[08:05] <pierre_> anyway to install that program? :-(
[08:05] <Jucato> pierre_: just an experiment, you could edit that .sh file. make JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR point to where Sun Java is installed?
[08:05] <pierre_> i could try... how i know where my java is?
[08:07] <Jucato> pierre_: "update-alternatives --list java" and look for the line with "sun" in it. copy that line,  but only up to the "bin" word
[08:07] <Jucato> pierre_: on my system the path is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/
[08:09] <omar> hi guys, do you know how to use rapidshare twise and repeatly without problem
[08:10] <pierre_> no sucess, but at least another message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25886/
[08:11] <maryen> nevermind, sound was stolen from my flash
[08:11] <maryen> damn adobemedia
[08:11] <Jucato> hm... I think I made a boo boo :)
[08:12] <pierre_> ?
[08:12] <Jucato> pierre_: I think you need to install JDK, not just JRE
[08:12] <Jucato> sun-java5-jdk
[08:12] <Jucato> err pierre_
[08:13] <Jucato> yeah you could try installing jdk and make the .sh file point to the jdk directory...
[08:13] <pierre_> hm ok i apt-get :-) lets se if it work aftewards
[08:13] <pierre_> oki doki i wil try that
[08:13] <Jucato> I hope so
[08:17] <wrabbit> DaSkreech: Hey again.  Installing now.  I assigned three partitions.  One for / one for /home and one for swap.  Is that correct?
[08:18] <Schalken> wrabbit: yes. just make sure the one far swap is of type 'linux swap' and the / and /home partitions are either of type 'reiserfs' and 'ext3' or other supported filesystem.
[08:18] <Schalken> for*
[08:18] <Schalken> or*
[08:18] <wrabbit> Schalken: I think they were set like that by default
[08:18] <Schalken> wrabbit: cool :D
[08:18] <wrabbit> If it doesn't work, I'll just try again.  I still have my lappy :)
[08:21] <Schalken> in kubuntu, does the ubuntiquity installer still use Gtk?
[08:22] <Schalken> ubuquity* (is it?)
[08:23] <wrabbit> Schalken: Looks like both filesystems are ReiserFS :
[08:23] <wrabbit> Swap partition just says filesystem: Memory Swap.  Is that bad?
[08:23] <Schalken> wrabbit: either reiserfs or ext3 will work. the default is normally ext3, im using reiserfs.
[08:24] <Schalken> wrabbit: no, as long as it works ;)
[08:24] <wrabbit> excellent :)
[08:24] <DaSkreech> wrabbit: Yeah
[08:25] <Schalken> other than kubuntu, what do you consider to be the best kde-based distro?
[08:25] <pierre_> someone of you using "krita" ?
[08:25] <wrabbit> Well I'd like to try slackware at some point.  That has KDE by default doesn't it?
[08:25] <pierre_> i cant find the option to "skew" a picture
[08:28] <axel> i think slackware is the best for server ,but ubuntu best for  home desktop + this very stable old debian engeine :)
[08:30] <Schalken> does kubuntu come with gimp?
[08:30] <Schalken> or only kde/qt apps?
[08:30] <pierre_> Schalken - as far i can see gimp is not included.. the kde "gimp" is "krita"
[08:30] <Schalken> pierre_: okay, is krita as good?
[08:31] <pierre_> i dont know... i use photoshop
[08:31] <axel> lol
[08:31] <Schalken> lol okay is it as good as photoshop?
[08:31] <pierre_> no - if so - i wouldnt use photoshop
[08:31] <pierre_> i guess its still in developing...
[08:32] <Schalken> yeah
[08:32] <Schalken> gimp is nice though
[08:32] <pierre_> didnt try gimp long time - big chances happend :-) ?
[08:32] <Schalken> chances?
[08:33] <pierre_> :-) changes :-)
[08:33] <Schalken> oh
[08:33] <wrabbit> I'm gonna test this partition installation by reinstalling again :P  I've created /home/hi If it's there after this, I'm happy
[08:33] <Schalken> not sure but its definately in a powerful state
[08:33] <Schalken> (gimp i mean)
[08:34] <pierre_> maybe i should try out again
[08:35] <pierre_> its faster than photoshop -right?
[08:37] <arunkale> pierre_: get gimpshop
[08:37] <arunkale> it's gimp with an interface that's almost identical to photoshop
[08:38] <pierre_> ok i will try that one
[08:38] <pierre_> actually i am still downloading photoshop 7... its running with crossoveroffice... so i have time to try out gimp one more time
[08:38] <wrabbit> has anybody here tried a BSD?
[08:41] <pierre_> i have abig problem with stupid openoffice... all fonts are changed to 14Minutes font... and i cant change it back ...
[08:45] <flaccid_> where can i find the correct fstab entry for automount of an optical drive
[08:46] <unix_infidel> optical drive?
[08:46] <flaccid_> a dvd writer actually
[08:46] <unix_infidel> flaccid_: you must've irc'd into the past.
[08:46] <cvg> como configuto itc pasra inforchat
[08:46] <cvg> configuro
[08:47] <flaccid_> pardon
[08:47] <flaccid_> !cdrom
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <unix_infidel> flaccid_: its pretty much the same syntax for all drives
[08:47] <flaccid_> !cd
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <flaccid_> i got /dev/hdb       /media/cdrom1   auto            user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid                                0       0
[08:48] <flaccid_> but then there is /dev/scd0      /media/cdrom0   iso9660,udf     user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid                              0       0
[08:49] <axel> ok i have like this:)   dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[08:49] <axel> and it works
[08:50] <flaccid_> ok
[08:50] <flaccid_> the auto one returns mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:50] <flaccid_> dunno how it got there
[08:50] <wrabbit> woo hoo! It worked :D
[08:53] <axel> u have 2 hda(windows) and hdb(pinguin) ,or only hda(linx) ,hdc for cd i have like this
[08:56] <axel> !ping
[08:56] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[08:56] <unix_infidel> anyone know how i can go past the 10th window in xchat with the alt+num keybinds.
[08:57] <axel> i dont know i use konversation
[08:58] <axel> its very simple
[08:59] <axel> the most handy can by irssi but dont know all commands yet
[08:59] <unix_infidel> yea, i use irssi, but i'm limited to xchat at the moment.
[09:08] <AWOSDev> Please help me, I need to reinstall kdefilepicker but don't know which package to reinstall.
[09:08] <AWOSDev> Which package?
[09:10] <AWOSDev> My kdefilepicker is broke, it won't display half of the files in my folders.
[09:12] <DHGE> AWOSDev: try some other views, experiment with the pixel width (in options)
[09:12] <AWOSDev> I tried
[09:12] <pierre_> Jucato - how to find the location of my newley installed java5-jdk?
[09:12] <pierre_> Jucato - how to find the location of my newley installed java5-jdk?
[09:13] <Jucato> pierre_: it doesn't show up in update-alternatives ?
[09:13] <pierre_> /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[09:13] <pierre_> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[09:13] <pierre_> no
[09:14] <AWOSDev> second one
[09:14] <pierre_> but thats not the jdk folder ... right?
[09:14] <Jucato> I don't think so. maybe there's a jdk folder under /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/ ?
[09:15] <DHGE> pierre_: locate is your friend
[09:15] <AWOSDev> locate jdk
[09:17] <pierre_> locate jdk gives me nothin
[09:18] <KDEfanboy> pierre did you install a jdk package?
[09:18] <AWOSDev> java5-jdk he says
[09:19] <pierre_> yes i made apt-get install java5-jdk
[09:19] <pierre_> and its finished
[09:19] <pierre_> :-)
[09:19] <pierre_> thanks
[09:21] <KDEfanboy> pierre find the app in adept, click details -> installed files
[09:21] <KDEfanboy> or dpkg -L <package>
[09:21] <Jucato> that works too :)
[09:22] <pierre_> :-O
[09:22] <pierre_> not installed he said :-(
[09:22] <Jucato> ?
[09:22] <Jucato> ok that's just weird then
[09:22] <pierre_> i ake a look to adept
[09:24] <pierre_> should be /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/bin
[09:25] <Jucato> for jdk?
[09:25] <pierre_> thats what i find in adept
[09:26] <Jucato> pierre_: try it
[09:29] <pierre_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25887/ :-((((((((((((((((((((
[09:30] <Jucato> um.. I'm now clueless... :(
[09:30] <pierre_> stupid ... thats the big problem with linux... its too hard sometimes
[09:30] <pierre_> even easy things doesnt work easy
[09:31] <Jucato> maybe the problem is with the package, not with Linux... oh well...
[09:31] <Jucato> sorry
[09:31] <pierre_> hihi
[09:31] <pierre_> Jucato - thanks for your help anyway
[09:34] <pierre_> how about taht message? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25888/
[09:38] <cox377> Hello all, i was playing a number of home made videos last night using Mplayer and tried vlc  , every time i opened a new video and the previous video was still running it just opens a new app and runs both videos @ the same time rather than just open the new video in the player already open, is there anyway to stop this as i've checked options and u soon have 10 players open
[09:57] <freewill> my keyboad gets dedected wronge how to i change this?
[09:58] <freewill> like if i press # i get  and i can't make a backslash....
[10:00] <abattoir> freewill: System Settings->Regional and Accessibility->Keyboard Layout
[10:00] <abattoir> freewill: you are running dapper, correct?
[10:00] <freewill> abattoir: yes
[10:01] <abattoir> freewill: ok, see if you can change your keyboard layout from there
[10:01] <abattoir> freewill: are you using US English, or another keyboard variation?
[10:03] <usux> kubuntu
[10:03] <usux> linux
[10:03] <usux> sux
[10:03] <freewill> abattoir: cool its working, i just clicked 'Enable keyboard layouts' and it set it automaticly to 104 us
[10:03] <abattoir> freewill: great :)
[10:03] <freewill> rolf usux uber nooblet
[10:03] <usux> i have been using da net for ova 10 years
[10:03] <usux> dumb azz
[10:03] <usux> noob
[10:04] <freewill> i have for 4 and what about it
[10:05] <freewill> abattoir: does Edgy Eft have xgl?
[10:05] <freewill> abattoir: its got x 7.1 though
[10:05] <abattoir> freewill: Compositing is enabled in Xorg by default
[10:05] <freewill> abattoir: cool
[10:05] <abattoir> freewill: i think its available in the repos, not sure as i dont use it
[10:06] <freewill> k thx
[10:06] <freewill> cheers
[10:06] <abattoir> :)
[10:15] <Ash-Fox> !ati
[10:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:16] <Manyfold> how can i tweak dhclient in a way that the interface only gets the address from the dhcpserver but not the nameserver?
[10:16] <Manyfold> at bootup
[10:25] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[10:26] <dinosaur-rus> I've tried http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-reiserfs-file-system-with-reiserfsck.html - no success, so I can forget about that data and enjoy Kubuntu (after it'll be downloaded and installed)
[10:38] <nathalie> Hello
[10:38] <nathalie> i have a problem
[10:38] <nathalie> my keayboard is being locked under a specific user
[10:38] <nathalie> in KDE
[10:38] <nathalie> can anyone help?
[10:40] <ViGGi> well, you could try #ubuntu channel and hope they won't kill u :P
[10:41] <nathalie> haha
[10:41] <nathalie> can no one help
[10:41] <nathalie> ?
[10:42] <nathalie> need help with kayboard lock problem
[10:42] <hsihh> hi. why only kubuntu works with my soundcard (integrated intel)? xubuntu and ubundu refuses to do so
[10:43] <nathalie> is there another chanel where i can try?
[10:43] <ViGGi> I can't even start kubuntu from the cd... yay..
[10:43] <hsihh> i thinked that kde, xfce and gnome are only guis, but kubuntu works much better with my hardware
[10:43] <Jucato> nathalie: you could try asking in the forums? http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:43] <dinosaur-rus> ViGGi: Kubuntu 6.10 for x64?
[10:44] <Jucato> or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums
[10:44] <ViGGi> nah 6.06 for i386
[10:44] <nathalie> thnx
[10:45] <zorglu_> ViGGi: is it a laptop ?
[10:45] <ViGGi> Nope
[10:45] <zorglu_> ViGGi: what happen when you try to boot
[10:45] <dinosaur-rus> ViGGi: I have the same problem with 64-bit 6.10... it loads at 1 attempt from 10
[10:45] <Jucato> hsihh: probably because KDE (kubuntu) and GNOME (ubuntu) use different sound engines?
[10:46] <zorglu_> ViGGi: btw try to put the nick of the personn you are talking to in your sentence, it make the communciation easier
[10:46] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: have you talked to #ubuntu+1 people about this ?
[10:48] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: it's Kubuntu, and I've talked about that yesterday
[10:48] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: yep but have you talked to #ubuntu+1 people about this ?
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: so now I'm downloading the alternative CD, I hope there'll be less problems with it
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: no
[10:49] <zorglu_> the #kubuntu channel is for 6.06, #ubuntu+1 is for edgy which is a developement version aka unstable :)
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: ah ok
[10:49] <zorglu_> 6.06 is more stable
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> :P
[10:50] <zorglu_> Jucato: about that, is there a way to determine the version whcih has been installed in a box, like cat /etc/REDHAT in redhat distribution
[10:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: "lsb_release -a"
[10:51] <zorglu_> thanks
[10:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: or "cat /etc/lsb-release" :)
[10:52] <zorglu_> cleaner that the usual cat /etc/REDHAT :)
[10:54] <hsihh> Jucato
[10:54] <Jucato> hsihh: huh?
[10:54] <hsihh> Jucato - and what about xfce?
[10:54] <Jucato> xfce uses the same sound engine as GNOME afaik...
[10:55] <Jucato> KDE uses aRts, GNOME/Xfce uses ESD.
[10:55] <flaccid> where are all messages shown on startup logged to?
[10:55] <zorglu_> flaccid: /var/log/messages or the 'dmesg' command
[10:55] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: /var/syslog ?
[10:55] <Jucato> flaccid: type "dmseg" ?
[10:55] <Jucato> zorglu_ beat me to it :P
[10:55] <jason> hey in what directory should i put my win32 codecs
[10:56] <zorglu_> :)
[10:56] <Jucato> jason: anywhere, it doesn't matter since you'll be installing it