[00:00] <twb> Th0th: did you run a memtest86+ overnight?
[00:10] <sport> Does anyone have a cron script that monitors software RAID 1 they can share?
[00:16] <lifeless> doesn't mdadm do that automatically now?
[00:17] <twb> lifeless: FSVO mdadm = the kernel, yes.
[00:18] <twb> Whether it propagates to the sysadmin as an email, I don't know...
[00:18] <Th0th> twb: ya logs have the messages about hanging processes, dmesg shows nothing strange on startup, and no on memtest, its my main server in my closet, just ordered two blades from geeks.com but right now I'm caught with my pants down (removed one ram chip to see if that helps, if not swap)
[00:21] <Th0th> right now I'm migrating my full network setup to a shiva plug, lol
[00:21] <Th0th> dns, email, www, funny thing is I stress tested it for this like 2 months ago, and the shiva plug pulls its weight
[00:23] <twb> Well, it IS a full GHz unit
[00:23] <Th0th> ya and 512 of ram
[00:23] <twb> You don't need anything more than a Pentium III for a typical SOHO "do everything" host
[00:24] <Th0th> my first server was dell optiplex gx1 266mhz with 128mb ram
[00:25] <Th0th> I am running around 20 domains, but only about 80kbs consistent traffic
[00:26] <Th0th> so anyone see processes just start to hang like that?
[00:37] <MTecknology> If I deleted one drive that is part of an LVM, what are the chances I can get data back on the remaining piece of the volume?
[00:40] <twb> MTecknology: "deleted" as in you pulled it out of the case and jumped up and down on the drive?
[00:41] <MTecknology> twb: pretty much
[00:42] <twb> You've lost everything that was on that drive.
[00:43] <twb> Whether that's half the filesystem, or stripes of the filesystem, or none of the filesystem, depends on the layout of extents.
[00:43] <mdeslaur> zul: fyi, I'm merging samba from unstable, as it takes away the setuid bit from mount.cifs
[00:43] <MTecknology> twb: hm?
[00:44] <lifeless> MTecknology: it depends on the lvm configuration in essense
[00:45] <twb> There's an lvdisplay invocation that tells you where each LV lives on disk
[00:45] <lifeless> MTecknology: if it was a raid member, then the pv being gone shouldn't matter much; if the fs was just extended onto a lv extent on the pv on the drive, then imagine you took a regular disk and use a knife on 1/2 the sectors onthe drive
[00:46] <twb> Ah, lvdisplay --maps
[00:46] <MTecknology> alrighty - so it's dead and gone
[00:46]  * MTecknology fights to get into backup server which now hates me
[00:59] <zul> mdeslaur: cool beans
[01:18] <twb> Anyone have an opinion on using CF cards instead of SATA disks for a rackmount router running 10.04?
[01:20] <MTecknology> twb: my only opinion is that I generally use BSD for routers :P
[01:20] <twb> Probably using md RAID1 between two of them to avoid a SPOF on one disk
[01:22] <smoser> kirkland, around?
[01:22] <kirkland> smoser: only a little
[01:22] <smoser> take a read of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-boto/+bug/520707
[01:22] <smoser> i dont know whwere you got the patch that you applied in the linked revision, or if it will remain, but thats where the regression came from.
[01:23] <smoser> no hurry, but wondering what your thoughts on fixing this are.
[01:49] <cef> oh fun. if the ethernet interface is not 'up' when a kvm guest that uses bridging comes up, the guest seems to crash when the enternet interface does come up. :(
[01:49]  * cef goes to snoop around more to see if this really is the culprit
[01:51] <lifeless> cef: perhaps it is stuck doing dhcp?
[01:51] <cef> lifeless: static assignment.. but it is plugged into a cheap-arse router.. it's ethernet link it seems
[01:52] <cef> just turned up libvirt's log, and about to reboot. ONLY seems to happen on reboot.
[01:52] <cef> (of the server, not the guest
[01:59] <MTecknology> Any ideas why I'm not able to use a shared key to log into one of my servers? It works perfect everywhere else except on this one system
[02:12] <jmarsden> MTecknology: Most likely permissions, read /var/log/auth on that server for ideas, also try ssh -v -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and see what it says.
[02:14] <Roxyhart0> hi how i can force (samba) that thje users in the folder will be %u ?
[02:15] <MTecknology> jmarsden: this is the only thing that stands out - Feb 16 20:14:19 pessum sshd[14253]: Error attempting to add filename encryption key to user session keyring; rc = [1]
[02:16] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  That's one I've not seen before... have you tried googling for it?
[02:18] <jmarsden> MTecknology: Looks like there are some Ubuntu big reports related to that... are you using encryptfs ?
[02:18] <jmarsden> s/big/bug/
[02:19] <MTecknology> jmarsden: ya
[02:21] <jmarsden> OK... so check Ubuntu bugs<PHONE_NUMBER>84 495143 and 433024   and see if they help you out.
[02:21] <jmarsden> Make that 358096
[02:26] <MTecknology> jmarsden: nothing useful for me there :(
[02:27] <jmarsden> MTecknology: can you turn off the encrypted home directory thing for your account and retry, or test with an account that does not have the encryoted home dir stuff enabled?
[02:27] <MTecknology> jmarsden: how can I just get rid of ecruptfs?
[02:28] <jmarsden> I don't know, it's not something I have used.  Why did you enable it if you did not need/want/understand it?
[02:28] <MTecknology> I didn't mean to pick encrypted home dir actually
[02:29] <jmarsden> MTecknology: If it is only that one user which has the encrypted home dir, you can probably copy all their files somewhere else, delete the user, create the user again, put their files back... there is likely to be a better way, but that ought to work :)
[02:29] <MTecknology> alrighty, thanks
[02:29] <jmarsden> If you need to you can note the current user's uid and insist the new user uses the same uid ...
[02:30] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  Now I need to go eat... :)
[02:32] <cef> ok... how do I tell libvirt to start later than it does? The first guest fails to start, which hangs things for about 30 secs, then the rest of the guests start fine.*sigh*
[02:36] <kirkland> smoser: poke me tomorrow about it
[02:46] <cef> libvirt-bin - does it have the correct dependencies in the init script? I've had to add a 'sleep 5' to the start of the script to get all vm's to reliability start at boot (marked autostart).
[03:28] <Roxyhart0> ah also i have this problem  * BUG 6673: Fix 'smbpasswd' with "unix password sync = yes". that is not too relevant at the moment
[03:32] <cef> ahh the wonders of fast machines. *sigh*
[03:50]  * cef pokes at #495394 with a pointed stick
[04:25] <twb> I know there are a few libvirt weenies in here.  I have a scratch Sid host I want to play with to learn about libvirt.  Which introductory text should I be reading?
[04:25] <twb> My plan is to start with the current ubuntu server admin guide
[04:31] <twb> Grr, and the tinyurl in /topic is still broken
[05:42] <linshine> using karmic -- i don't get updates available printed upon ssh login on 1 PC, but i do on another. same exact setup. anyone help?
[05:47] <twb> linshine: that's just some hokey thing writing to /etc/issue
[05:47] <jmarsden> lansdcape-sysinfo
[05:47] <jmarsden> landscape-sysinfo
[05:48] <twb> Bah.  Flipping landscape
[05:48] <twb> jmarsden: does it also annoy users who don't have sudo?
[05:49] <jmarsden> linshine: Check that the contents of /etc/apt/ are the same on both servers.  If they are, try  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade   on each one and if they both update, you are fine.
[05:49] <jmarsden> twb: I've not tried it without having sudo... I don't think I have an account on a Ubuntu machine where I don't have sudo :)
[05:49] <twb> jmarsden: I meant if I log in as a peon instead of the sysadmin
[05:50] <twb> i.e. sudo -l returns "you can't do shit, yo"
[05:50] <jmarsden> Right... I'll have to create myself a 'peon' account to test with :)
[05:50] <twb> jmarsden: just suborn one of your real peon's accounts :P
[05:52] <linshine> jmarsden: /etc/apt are identical. i know updates are fine, but still i like that motd displays when they are available. yet, on one, it never displays this message.
[05:53] <twb> linshine: diff <(ssh good-host dpkg --get-selections | sort) <(ssh bad-host dpkg --get-selections | sort)
[05:54] <twb> linshine: is the state of landscape-sysinfo different on the two hosts?
[05:56] <linshine> twb: i'm looking for packages differences. i don't think i have landscape installed, though
[05:56] <twb> linshine: that diff I just showed you will list package differences
[06:01] <micahg> any samba experts around?
[06:04] <KurtKraut> micahg, I belive asking such a question will make some people insecure to step in and say 'me' :P
[06:05] <micahg> KurtKraut: sorry, we have a user in #ubuntu-bugs with an issue and I don't know enough to figure out if the issue was solved upstream or not
[06:05] <micahg> I need someone to look at a bug and an upstream changelog to tell me if any of the bugs match
[06:06] <KurtKraut> micahg, I suggest you to pastebin the conversation log and offer here the URL. So, some people that are experienced but do not consider themselves as experts may read and give you a hand.
[06:07] <micahg> bug 522482
[06:07] <micahg> user mentioned this forum post<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:07] <micahg> and here's the samba 3.4.1 changelog: http://samba.org/samba/history/samba-3.4.1.html
[06:14] <linshine> twb: sorry, took awhile, only differences were multimedia packages
[06:15] <linshine> also checked sshd_conf on both and they're identical
[06:16] <linshine> motd on one shows 0 packages can be updated 0 updates are security updates.
[06:16] <linshine> on the other PC i don't get this message
[06:17] <linshine> what controls when the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/ are run?
[06:18] <linshine> if i manually run 90-updates-available, i see the printout of 0 updates 0 security, but this doesn't get written to motd?
[06:19] <linshine> is there a way to force it to write to motd?
[07:10] <Roxyhart08> hi guy i got a PDC congifured...what i need to do for windows cleitn can detect this PDC as Domain Controler...i am tryng to join the windows client from the client and i got the error: DNS name doesnt exist
[07:25] <Callum__> Roxyhart08: Set the IP address of the PDC as the primary DNS server
[07:26] <Roxyhart08> but i dont have installed DNS in this server, is anoter one
[07:27] <Roxyhart08> sorry, what do you mean...not sure if i understood
[07:33] <Callum__> Roxyhart08: Set the IP address of the PDC as the primary DNS server on the TCP/IP settings of the client computer
[07:34] <Sakara> Just attempted to install ubuntu server powerpc ps3 onto a ps3 console. After selecting install from the bootloaders menu a blackscreen appears and nothing happens.
[07:34] <Sakara> No beeps just a black screen.
[07:34] <Roxyhart08> so, my PDC must to be DNS?
[08:20] <Roxyhart08> hi somebody is working with tinydns?
[08:39] <Roxyhart08> im tryin to install djbdns and i got this error :initctl: Unknown job: svscanstarter
[08:39] <Roxyhart08> any idea
[08:46] <acalvo> Roxyhart08: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/samba-dc.html
[08:48] <Roxyhart08> samba?
[08:48] <acalvo> how would you do a PDC without samba for a opensource linux server?
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> i did
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> my problem now is install a dns
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> tinydns
[08:49] <Roxyhart08> do you know how?
[08:54] <acalvo> install bind
[08:54] <acalvo> is easy and there are a lot of howtos
[08:54] <acalvo> (my own opinion tough)
[08:55]  * nijaba shares acalvo's opinion.  It is always better when you can pick a solution that is maintained by the security team. Bind9 is in main...
[08:56] <hyperlinx> hi guys
[08:56] <hyperlinx> hi guys
[09:03] <fahadsadah> Is anyone here familiar with the internal workings of libpam-ldap?
[09:07] <hyperlinx> need some help about lamp installation without WAN connections
[09:16] <progre55> hi people! any step-by-step guides on how to create an image to use for a could system (e.g. Canonical's Landscape)?
[09:20] <jiboumans> morning folks
[09:20] <jiboumans> progre55: you mean 'cloud system'?
[09:22] <progre55> oh, yeah :)
[09:22] <progre55> jiboumans: sorry, a typo there :) yeah, cloud systems
[09:23] <jiboumans> progre55: so we already publish several cloud images, so i assume you're looking to customize one?
[09:24] <progre55> jiboumans: yep, a tutorial on how to create customized images would be perfect
[09:24] <progre55> jiboumans: oh and the publised images you mentioned.. where can I find them? =)
[09:26] <jiboumans> progre55: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/
[09:26] <progre55> jiboumans: thanks
[09:27] <jiboumans> progre55: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC # contains links to buildign & bundling images
[09:27] <progre55> jiboumans: awesome! appreciate, man!
[09:28] <jiboumans> progre55: no worries -- there's also the ubuntu-cloud list you can sign up to and ask questions #  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-cloud
[09:28] <progre55> nice
[09:29] <progre55> jiboumans: thanks man
[09:44] <Roxyhart08> hi guys i got samba 3.4.0 for my ubuntu 9.10, i was recomended uodate to lucis samba version. how i can do it from ubuntu 9.10?
[10:11] <Roxyhart08> sombody know how i can install samba 3.4.5 in my ubuntu 9.10?
[10:32] <Roxyhart08> hi i got a package samba.tar how i do to install it?
[10:47] <ghostlines> hi all
[10:47] <ghostlines> anyone a little experience with bacual?
[10:50] <hyperlinx> how can I test whether the server is apache2 server installed on my ubuntu?
[10:50] <hyperlinx> do i need a browser ?
[10:54] <ghostlines> hmm I'm not sure but i think you can enter an invalid url and you will see which apache version is running
[10:55] <ghostlines> or just type apache in the terminal and hit tab to autocomplete and see if you get apache or apache2
[10:55] <ghostlines> most probably you have apache2 i think
[11:12] <acalvo> hyperlinx: dpkg --get-selections | grep apache
[12:30] <sherr> hyperlinx: dpkg -l "*apache2*"
[12:30] <sherr> hyperlinx: netstat -lnpt
[13:20] <mdeslaur> kirkland: do we need to merge libvirt 0.7.6, or are we staying with 0.7.5? My name is beside it on merges.ubuntu.com, but I wasn't intending to merge it...
[13:29] <zul> morning
[13:37] <zul> mdeslaur: how did the samba merge go?
[13:38] <mdeslaur> zul: okay I guess....I'm still trying to figure out a sane workflow with source format 3.0 packages...
[13:44] <Daviey> zul: I started looking at doing an apport hook.  So far it's looking somewhat thin with just a reference to attach_conffiles().. not quite sure what else to add!
[13:45] <zul> Daviey: it depends on the package and how far you want to go with it, if you want to look at a more complicated example then have a look at samba
[13:49] <Daviey> zul: I was looking at spamassassin, considering we don't ship it in daemon mode - it made sense to just attach changed defaults confs.
[13:50] <zul> Daviey: sounds cool to me
[13:51] <Daviey> zul: I spotted a recent dh_apport addition.  Still working out if i should use that or install
[13:52] <zul> Daviey: yeah that was added recently i would recommend you use that
[13:55] <kirkland> mdeslaur: if it's a stable release, i would probably say we should, though i'll defer to jdstrand
[14:01]  * jdstrand guesses we are talking about libvirt
[14:02] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, kirkland: do you guys need me to do something?
[14:02] <kirkland> jdstrand: do you have an opinion on merging 0.7.6 libvirt for lucid?
[14:02] <kirkland> jdstrand: or stick with 0.7.5
[14:02] <kirkland> jdstrand: i don't have the time or inclination to do 0.7.6 right now
[14:03] <kirkland> jdstrand: mdeslaur was asking me about it
[14:03] <mdeslaur> jdstrand, kirkland: I don't mind doing it, I just wasn't sure if you guys wanted to stick to 0.7.5 for some reason
[14:04] <jdstrand> kirkland: my gut reaction is that there have been a lot of changes lately that I'm a little leery of, but those might have been after 0.7.6 was released
[14:04] <jdstrand> kirkland, mdeslaur: I don't have time to do it at the moment
[14:04] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: what kind of changes?
[14:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: see http://libvirt.org/news.html
[14:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: some of the security driver reworking I've not tested
[14:06] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: if you want to give it a shot, the qrt test script for libvirt exercises the apparmor functionality quite well-- and the build tests test the rest of it
[14:07] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: okay, let me build it and try the scripts
[14:10] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: so, I need to run the qrt test script _inside_ a lucid vm?
[14:10] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: yeah
[14:11] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: well, you don't have to, but it is certainly safest
[14:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: in fact, I wouldn't try to run it outside of a vm
[14:13] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: ok, cool
[14:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: see the top of the script-- it tells you what you need to do
[14:13] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: feel free to update the directions as necessary
[14:15] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: thanks
[14:15] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: no, thank you! :)
[14:27] <hshong> hi where is keyboard layout configuration file?
[14:29] <smoser> mathiaz, at this point i have to believe that bug 522292 is user error
[14:30] <smoser> where 'user' is quite possibly my script
[14:50] <ivoks> mathiaz: ubuntu-ha PPA has all the stuff we need
[14:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - which one do you need sponsoring for?
[14:53] <mathiaz> ivoks: ie which are not in universe for now?
[14:53] <ivoks> mathiaz: corosync, openais, redhat-cluster, ocfs2-tools, lvm
[14:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: and drbd
[14:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: lvm: I think cjwatson was working on a merge from Debian
[14:54] <ivoks> mathiaz: wasn't it kees?
[14:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: someone else from the fondation team - did you sync up with them>
[14:54] <mathiaz> ivoks: oh right - it was kees
[14:55] <ivoks> yes, i've told him what are the plans
[14:55] <ivoks> we can demote to universe after FF, right?
[14:55] <ivoks> that would be needed for cman
[14:55] <mathiaz> ivoks: yes
[14:55] <ivoks> great
[15:13] <ttx> smoser: I can fix and upload the cloudfusion one if you ack my branch
[15:13] <ttx> smoser: no need for you to do another round on it
[15:14] <smoser> i merged your branch
[15:14] <smoser> and fixed the other 3
[15:14] <ttx> ah :)
[15:14] <smoser> commented tha tin the bug i think
[15:14] <smoser> but maybe i forgot
[15:14] <ttx> i'm out of date
[15:14] <smoser> anyway, if not, its there.
[15:14] <ttx> ok, will upload
[15:14] <smoser> i also sent an email to the upstream guy
[15:14] <smoser> asking which tarball to use
[15:14] <ttx> unless marthiaz wants to have a look into them before
[15:14] <ttx> or mathiaz
[15:14] <ttx> smoser: he answered
[15:15] <ttx> smoser: pointing to (yet another) tarball
[15:15] <ttx> smoser: just update the watch file :)
[15:15] <smoser> ah
[15:15] <smoser> :)
[15:16] <ttx> mathiaz: are you ok with the right_aws and the txaws ones ?
[15:16] <ttx> i did a quick review of them
[15:16] <mathiaz> ttx: right_aws seemed ok
[15:16] <mathiaz> ttx: I don't remember exactly about txaws
[15:16] <mathiaz> ttx: nothing scary though
[15:17] <mathiaz> ttx: if you've reviewed them and you're ok with them, go ahead
[15:17] <ttx> mathiaz: upload at will
[15:17] <mathiaz> ttx: great - so you'll upload right_aws, txaws and cloudfusion?
[15:17] <ttx> I'll upload cloudfusion
[15:18] <ttx> mathiaz: you do right_aws
[15:18] <ttx> and we race for txaws ?
[15:19] <smoser> ttx, watch file updated and pushed
[15:19]  * ttx pauses for a bit to give mathiaz a head start
[15:23] <smoser> ttx, mathiaz thank you.
[15:39] <smoser> mathiaz, at some point... (later), can you help me sort out https://code.launchpad.net/cloud-init with https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init
[15:39] <smoser> ideally (at least i think) i want to have all history in the packaging branches
[15:39] <smoser> but at minimal i want some common ancestry so i can merge :)
[15:40] <smoser> oh, but wait, maybe i'm not suppoed to merge... anyway, some point i'd like some of your time.
[15:44] <ttx> smoser: hmm, that tarball Ryan pointed us to is quite empty
[15:45] <ttx> I question their release process.
[15:45] <ttx> i'll fire up an email to him
[15:45] <smoser> gah.
[15:46] <smoser> ttx, thank you.
[15:49] <ivoks_doing_mirs> please act on bug 521373 :)
[15:50] <ivoks_doing_mirs> and i promise, after LTS i'll sing up for core dev :)
[15:50] <ivoks_doing_mirs> sign even :D
[15:54] <ivoks_doing_mirs> kirkland: ping
[15:54] <kirkland> ivoks_doing_mirs: yo
[15:54] <ivoks> kirkland: you are in ubuntu-archive, right?
[15:54] <kirkland> ivoks: yup
[15:54] <ttx> kirkland: don't answer, sounds like a trick
[15:54] <ttx> too late
[15:54] <ivoks> kirkland: could you help me on pushing new packages to universe?
[15:55] <kirkland> ivoks: possibly
[15:55] <ivoks> or is there a procedure that i have to figure out and work on it and then get frustrated? :)
[15:55] <kirkland> ivoks: how many are we talking about?
[15:55] <ivoks> kirkland: 2
[15:55] <kirkland> ivoks: are they clean?
[15:55] <ttx> ivoks: on bug 521373... you mean "sync" ?
[15:55] <ivoks> ttx: for sync, mir for one package is needed first
[15:55] <ttx> (or it's missing a patch ?)
[15:55] <ivoks> kirkland: clean?
[15:56] <kirkland> ivoks: easy, small, straightforward?
[15:56] <ivoks> ttx: there's a package in main (libtest-script-perl) that depends on package in universe
[15:57] <ivoks> kirkland: not that small, but most of the files in those are already in universe
[15:57] <ttx> ivoks: I'm not sure I get what you are asking help with ?
[15:57] <ivoks> kirkland: heartbeat was split into: heartbeat, cluster-glue and cluster-agents
[15:57] <ivoks> kirkland: to get new heartbeat, i need cluster-glue and cluster-agents (which depends on cluster-glue)
[15:58] <ttx> ivoks: want someone to actually work on the merge ?
[15:58] <ttx> (there is nothing to upload in that bug)
[15:58] <ivoks> ok, so here is the thing
[15:59] <ivoks> one package in universe build-depends on newer version of libtest-script-perl
[15:59] <ivoks> new version of libtest-script-perl it build-depends on package from universe too
[15:59] <ivoks> but libtest-script-perl is in main
[16:00] <ivoks> so to get libtest-script-perl in shape, we need to sync newer version from debian + move to main one package from universe
[16:00] <ttx> ok, so the bug is a sync bug, not a merge like the title implies, and it's blocked
[16:00] <ivoks> right, a sync
[16:00] <ivoks> sorry about the merge stuff
[16:00] <ttx> ivoks: ok, makes sense now
[16:01] <ttx> will fix it
[16:01] <ivoks> thanks
[16:01] <smoser> kirkland, if you (or anyone else) is/are sitting around doing nothing, and want to sponsor a python-boto upload
[16:01] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/boto/+bug/520707
[16:04] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, there's no MIR for libtest-simple-perl right? Since it is Build-Depends-Indep for libtest-warn-perl.
[16:04] <RoAkSoAx> and libtest-simple-perl is in universe
[16:05] <ivoks> eh, let me check
[16:05] <ttx> ivoks: about bug 521373 again... 1.07-1 is already in lucid
[16:05] <ivoks> ttx: oh
[16:05] <ivoks> ttx: but it can't be built :)
[16:06] <ttx> ivoks: right :)
[16:06] <ttx> I can close that bug, I suppose
[16:06] <ivoks> ok
[16:07] <kirkland> smoser: tied up at the moment
[16:07] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: checking...
[16:07] <smoser> yeah, i thought so. is not a feature, so it goes for "later"
[16:07] <smoser> but i would like to ask that it be addressed by alpha3
[16:08] <ttx> smoser: targeted to alpha3, so it won't be lost
[16:08] <smoser> i just did the same.
[16:09] <smoser> if you can follow my comments in the bug, its quite straightforward and patch taken upstream
[16:09] <smoser> so it shoudl be very simple
[16:09] <ttx> smoser: you need to target to release: Lucid when you do that
[16:09] <smoser> ah
[16:09] <ttx> and ask someone (me) to ack the nomination*
[16:09] <smoser> hm... wonder where else i've not done that
[16:09] <ttx> that's a UI glitch
[16:09] <smoser> that seems silly that you have to do that
[16:09] <smoser> yeah
[16:09] <smoser> and that it allows you to if its not right
[16:10] <ttx> for some readon it fails to appear in release team buglists if you don't
[16:10] <ttx> you aren't the first one to fall in that hole
[16:12] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: hm...
[16:12] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: perl-modules provides that
[16:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: package builds and installs, but i have no libtest-simple-perl installed
[16:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: yeah, perl-modules provides it
[16:13] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: no mir for that
[16:14] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, even though it is listed as Build-Depends-Indep and in Depends?
[16:14] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: that's right, cause perl-modules package provides it
[16:15] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: if you install perl-modules, you'll have libtest-simple-perl
[16:15] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so I'll just put in the MIR description that the dependency is provided by perl-modules
[16:15] <ivoks> or all deps in main
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, or something like: 6. Dependencies: Some in main, some in universe. Related MIRs:
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> libtree-dagnode-perl: bug 523257
[16:16] <RoAkSoAx> libtest-simple-perl: Even thought it is in universe, it is provided by perl-modules.
[16:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: perl-modules contain perl modules that are also contained in libtest-simple-perl
[16:18] <ttx> mathiaz: i'm on txaws
[16:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: having those both is pointless
[16:18] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: that's why perl-modules 'meta provides' that package
[16:19] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok
[16:19] <ivoks> it's like firefox and chromium
[16:19] <ivoks> both provide browser package
[16:19] <ivoks> or lighttpd and apache
[16:19] <ivoks> or postfix and exim
[16:19] <ivoks> etc
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> ok
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, In kvm, if I for example setup several subnetworks for the vm's using a single bridged interface (eth0), would this VM's be able to ping between themselves (in the same network) and able to do NAT, to VM's that use the same bridge?
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> even thought if there's no cable connected to eth0
[16:25] <ivoks> let's all say kirkland at the same time :)
[16:27] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: internal network, yes, they should
[16:28] <ttx> smoser, mathiaz, kirkland: txaws uploaded, waiting in NEW
[16:28] <mathiaz> ttx: great thanks!
[16:28] <smoser> thank you
[16:28] <mathiaz> ttx: I'm reviewing right_aws
[16:28] <ttx> cloudfusion blocked on upstream pointing us to a sensible source tarball
[16:28]  * smoser hurridly writes a query tool and accompaning motd hook.
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok ;)
[16:29] <ttx> mathiaz, smoser: work items updated
[16:29] <kirkland> ttx: zul: could one of you sponsor smoser's boto fix?
[16:30] <zul> kirkland: sure
[16:30] <zul> where is it?
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, do you have HW to test the loadbalancing part, since my VM loadbalancers don't loadbalance and I do not know if it's becausem Im using VM's or if it's because of ipvsadm or packet forwarding problem
[16:30]  * ttx will stop now and be back later to upload cloudfusion in case we get an answer from upstream
[16:30] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: no at the moment, but it should work in VMs
[16:31] <ttx> smoser: what would you suggest as a fallback mechanism ? The zip file seems the most complete release media...
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok so I'll guess we can work that up later. And that's what I think, it should work in the VM's. I get keepalived to do failover, and track the real servers, but ipvsadm keeps rejecting connections in the VIP... i just need to figure out if its keepalived nat implementation, or ipvsadm itself... or even packet forwarding is not working
[16:33] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: we can get keepalived sorted later
[16:33] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yeah... anyways.. I gotta run... there are some MIRs left :)
[16:33] <zul> smoser: url for boto fix?
[16:34] <mdeslaur> kirkland: fyi, new libvirt has broken apparmor support, so it won't get merged for FF
[16:34] <smoser> is there not a linked branch?
[16:34] <kirkland> mdeslaur: okay
[16:34] <kirkland> mdeslaur: thanks for trying
[16:34] <mdeslaur> np
[16:34]  * ttx afk &
[16:34] <smoser> zul, bug 520707 . linked branch there.
[16:35] <smoser> ttx, i guess the zip makes the most sense. as otherwise we wont have those libraries around.
[16:35] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: ok
[16:35] <greybrimstone> Hi guys, I am trying to configure apache2 with mod_proxy and modsecurity2, and it needs to connect to a bacend IBM WebSphere java server... where is mod ajp?
[16:35] <smoser> also, it would seem to me that "getcloudfusion.com" would be a sensible release location.
[16:35] <ttx> smoser: heh
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, ok then. Im off. later :)
[16:35] <ttx> smoser: needs repackaging and doesn't have the README.textile, so I need to remove that from the build, but that's about it
[16:35] <greybrimstone> Anyone here know what the hell happened to AJP?
[16:36] <greybrimstone> Don't I need it for this reverse proxy configuration
[16:36] <ttx> smoser: will do that if we don't have a better candidate in 3 hours
[16:39] <greybrimstone> So this an't be possible, nobody here had any idea how to setup a reverse proxy in ubuntu with mod_proxy, mod_security and mod_ajp (which no longer seems to exist).
[16:43] <ivoks> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39307692/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.corosync_1.2.0-0ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[16:43] <ivoks> awesome
[16:46] <mathiaz> smoser: right_aws uploaded to the archive
[16:46] <smoser> i see. thanks.
[16:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: right_aws should be in the NEW queue
[16:47] <mathiaz> smoser: also the two packages I've sponsored aren't attributed to you because I changed the changelog entry
[16:47] <mathiaz> smoser: the reason for doing is because I made some changes to your proposal
[16:48] <mathiaz> smoser: I'd only sign a package if there aren't any changes made to the proposal
[16:49] <mathiaz> smoser: and then the upload would be attributed to the sponsored rather than the sponsor
[16:49] <mathiaz> smoser: the goal here is to first get the packages in the archive
[16:49] <mathiaz> smoser: and second to get you to learn packaging and suggestions along the way
[16:50] <smoser> oh, no, mathiaz, i see through you, you're a glory hungry coder, trying to take credit for all my work
[16:50] <smoser> :)
[16:50] <smoser> but once i look past that, i'm ok with it
[16:50] <mathiaz> smoser: great! ;)
[16:54] <mathiaz> smoser: allright - let's tackle the cloud-init upload
[16:54] <smoser> that is done.
[16:54] <smoser> zul did it.
[16:55] <mathiaz> smoser: oh - I see now.
[16:56] <freopen> Can iptables lose packets on a weak machine? Why it happens?
[16:56] <mathiaz> smoser: we can look into stiching all the bzr branches later then
[16:56] <smoser> yes. later.
[16:56] <smoser> now i race on cloud-utils query tool
[16:57] <freopen> I ping server and all ok. I ping internet from server and all ok. But i ping internet from my machine and i see lost packets
[16:57] <freopen> On my server iptables does MASQUERADE on packets from wlan0 to ppp0
[16:58] <freopen> and check mac address
[17:00] <SockPants> hi all
[17:01] <SockPants> i'm trying to configure apache to block all subdirectories of /var/www/todo apart from images/ and . itself, but it's not working so far. i have this: http://pastebin.com/m17fe8848
[17:01] <zul> smoser/kirkland: done
[17:01] <kirkland> zul: thanks, you da man
[17:01] <SockPants> as you can see i'm missing the regex on line 11, i don't know what to put
[17:04] <greybrimstone> Where did mod_ajp go for apache2?
[17:05] <greybrimstone> sbeattie: what do I use to proxy to an IBM WebSphere server in ubuntu with mod proxy http
[17:05] <greybrimstone> I wanted mod ajp
[17:16] <Pici> greybrimstone: libapache2-mod-jk2 looks like it might be able to do what you want, but thats just from the package description.  I don't know anything about websphere or ajp.
[17:16]  * zul lunches
[17:20] <greybrimstone> Pici awesome, so that will enable me to connect to a back-end java server basically?
[17:20] <greybrimstone> wow did I ever spell that wrong
[17:20] <greybrimstone> Pici, by the way, thank you for the help man... I do really appreciate it.
[17:27] <Kaushal> hi
[17:27] <Kaushal> I have Dell Poweredge 1950 server with SAS 6iR intergrated RAID controller.
[17:28] <Kaushal> does anyone know of any drivers that will
[17:28] <Kaushal> work with Ubuntu Linux 8.04 Server (Hardy) ?
[17:28] <Kaushal> Please suggest
[17:31] <ivoks> it doesn't work out of the box?
[17:31] <sherr> Kaushal: what does /var/log/syslog see + lspci
[17:32] <Kaushal> sherr, I am trying to load 8.04 LTS on this Dell Server
[17:32] <sherr> Kaushal: Poweredge forums : http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/
[17:32] <Kaushal> it doesnot allow me to load
[17:33] <ivoks> it doesn't load? at what stage?
[17:33] <ivoks> disk partitioning?
[17:34] <ivoks> are you using 8.04 or 8.04.4?
[17:34] <Kaushal> ivoks, disk partitioning yes
[17:34] <Kaushal> it says root device not found
[17:34] <Kaushal> I am using 8.04 and not 8.04.4
[17:36] <ichat> where to mount my diskspace if i want to build a print/file server with ebox
[17:36] <ivoks> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200804-264/
[17:36] <ivoks> Kaushal: ^^
[17:37] <greybrimstone> ls
[17:37] <greybrimstone> er
[17:37] <greybrimstone> lol
[17:37] <Kaushal> ivoks, so it wont work for Hardy 8.04.4 either ?
[17:38] <SockPants> anyone want to help me figure out an apache config problem?
[17:38] <ivoks> Kaushal: it should work with 8.04
[17:38] <ivoks> Kaushal: are you using network install or cd install?
[17:39] <Kaushal> both
[17:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: net install won't work
[17:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: for net install you need latest environment
[17:39] <ivoks> Kaushal: so, update your net install to 8.04.4
[17:40] <ivoks> Kaushal: installer can't find modules on net cause kernel that it uses is obsolete
[17:40] <ivoks> i'm quite sure dell raid controlers work with 8.04
[17:40] <ivoks> i have couple of those
[17:41] <Kaushal> so i have to use CD install ?
[17:41] <ivoks> i had simillar issue with 3ware controler
[17:41] <ivoks> Kaushal: use latest 8.04.4 cd install or latest 8.04.4 net install
[17:41] <Kaushal> which has 8.04.4 image
[17:41] <Kaushal> cool will try it out
[17:41] <Kaushal> so it wont work with 8.04 ?
[17:42] <Kaushal> am i understanding you corectly ?
[17:42] <ivoks> no if you are using net install
[17:42] <ivoks> but it should with cd install
[17:42] <Kaushal> ivoks, it did not worked with CD install having image 8.04
[17:43] <ivoks> Kaushal: try with 8.04.4
[17:44] <ivoks> and let me know where exactly does it fail
[17:44] <Kaushal> ivoks, sure and Thanks
[17:44] <ivoks> not finding root means that it did partitioning already
[17:44] <ivoks> but you haven't selected /
[17:44] <Kaushal> any specific reason why it would not work on 8.04
[17:44] <Kaushal> is it due to old kernel ?
[17:47] <Kaushal> ivoks, got it  installer can't find modules on net cause kernel that it uses is obsolete
[17:47] <Kaushal> right ?
[17:47] <ivoks> Kaushal: right
[17:47] <ivoks> Kaushal: grab latest 8.04 (8.04.4) and try with that
[17:47] <Kaushal> sure
[17:48] <ivoks> update net install to use 8.04.4
[17:48] <Kaushal> ivoks, so net install is also pxe server too ?
[17:48] <Kaushal> right
[17:48] <Kaushal> I mean other name for net install
[17:48] <ivoks> yes
[17:49] <ivoks> i guess you used pxe boot doc from net
[17:49] <ivoks> https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[17:49] <ivoks> this one
[17:49] <ivoks> this one works
[17:49] <ivoks> cause it uses 'current' in link
[17:54] <Kaushal> ivoks, Thanks
[17:55] <mathiaz> zul: hi - do you still need to write up a wiki page for the MIR process?
[17:56] <zul> mathiaz: nope
[17:56] <ivoks> argh
[17:56] <mathiaz> kees: jdstrand: mdeslaur: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe-all.html doesn't exist anymore
[17:57] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: are you looking for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html
[17:57] <mathiaz> kees: I'm looking at the security section of  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements wiki page
[17:57] <jdstrand> mathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html
[17:57]  * mathiaz updates the wiki page
[17:58] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: and for the secunia site, it seems that http://secunia.com/advisories/search/ is the correct url
[17:59] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: cool, thanks for updating that
[17:59] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: http://cve.mitre.org/cve/
[18:00] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: there are two links to search ui
[18:00] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: which one should be used?
[18:00] <mathiaz> mdeslaur: # CVE Search on NVD or # Search Master Copy of CVE ?
[18:01] <mdeslaur> mathiaz: I'd use the NVD
[18:10] <mathiaz> kees: I'm writting up a MIR for libpam-ccreds - there's a suid binary in there
[18:10] <mathiaz> kees: IIUC that would require a more thorough security review
[18:25] <kees> mathiaz: ok, noted.
[18:25] <ivoks> kick me
[18:25] <ivoks> i was a fool
[18:26] <ivoks> kirkland: if you haven't already, decline cluster-glue and cluster-agents
[18:26] <kirkland> ivoks: doh
[18:26] <kirkland> ivoks: okay, why?
[18:26] <ivoks> kirkland: hard coded deps on bunch of unneeeded stuff
[18:27] <kirkland> k
[18:28] <kirkland> ivoks: done
[18:28] <ivoks> kirkland: thanks
[18:39] <smoser> ttx, the 4th cloudfusion 2.5.0 was delivered to your inbox
[18:40] <smoser> going simply from the file list it looks like what we'd want.
[18:59] <ttx> smoser: hmmm, right. However that's hardly what I would call an official source tarball
[18:59] <smoser> yeah
[18:59] <ttx> I'll go for te one in getcloudfusion
[19:00] <smoser> i think requesting him to place that somewhere "official like" would be good.
[19:00] <ttx> they should sort that out
[19:00] <smoser> i dont think its any less official than the one he sent earlier
[19:00] <ttx> heh
[19:00] <ivoks> kirkland: cluster-glue that i just uploaded is ok
[19:00] <smoser> ttx, thank you for doing this.
[19:01] <ttx> smoser: I don't have time for a new roundtrip with him
[19:02] <smoser> yeah. i agree.
[19:02]  * ttx grumbles
[19:03] <ttx> smoser: we can fix that afterwards
[19:03] <ttx> i'll just use the getcloudfusion zipfile
[19:07] <ttx> hrrrm
[19:15] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: thanks for the virt-manager merge-- the scaling it can do is pretty cool
[19:15] <jdstrand> (yes, I am just now playing with it :)
[19:16] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, it's cool
[19:20] <AdamDV> Whats the benifit of private cloud computing?
[19:20] <AdamDV> Is it like server clustering?
[19:21] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, the benefit of a private cloud is: being private. you own all the hardware it runs on.
[19:22] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, the other options would be hiring a company to run your virtual servers for you on their equipament, on their datacenter.
[19:22] <AdamDV> Okay, whats the benifit of cloud computing in general?
[19:23] <AdamDV> KurtKraut: Is it like, distributed processing, something like a server cluster?
[19:23] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, not at all.
[19:23] <AdamDV> Whats the purpose then? High Availability? or?
[19:24] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, High Availability would reside in the cluster concept too. And I don't see 'cloud computing' as a cluster.
[19:24] <AdamDV> Whats the purpose then? Google has been unnhelpful.
[19:24] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, it is just several virtual servers running on real physical servers.
[19:25] <AdamDV> So, that would be something like a VPS?
[19:25] <_ruben> cloud computing isnt much more then 2009/2010's buzz word in my book
[19:25] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, exactly.
[19:25] <AdamDV> I see
[19:25] <_ruben> virtualization + a bit of easy provisioning
[19:25] <AdamDV> Yea, I understand now.
[19:25] <ivoks> cloud + HA = awesome
[19:26] <ivoks> where your images are on high availability storage and your nodes do the hard work
[19:27] <_ruben> ivoks: still doesnt sound cloudy to me really ;)
[19:28] <AdamDV> ivoks: ?
[19:28] <AdamDV> Heh
[19:28] <AdamDV> I never got the high availability setup, I should look into that.
[19:28] <ttx> smoser: cloudfusion uploaded, based on the latest ZIP
[19:28] <ivoks> _ruben: it's to cloudy :D
[19:28] <smoser> thank you again, ttx
[19:28] <_ruben> ivoks: probably ;)
[19:29] <ttx> smoser: they should really get a clue on what "releasing" means
[19:29] <ivoks> i was at the conference
[19:29] <ivoks> wher one guy was giving a talk about cloud computing
[19:29] <ivoks> and all he really said is 'look, we have a web service, you can access it from anywhere, therefor it's a cloud'
[19:30] <_ruben> haha
[19:30] <ivoks> of course, it doesn't scale
[19:30] <ivoks> and i don't thing they even have fail over if server dies
[19:30] <ivoks> but, you can sell anything with 'cloud' today
[19:30] <ivoks> s/thing/think/
[19:31] <_ruben> basicly all that cloud computing offers over "classic" virtualization is a nice abstraction layer for easy provisioning and not really having to deal with individual host systems
[19:32] <_ruben> which, depending on the environment, are features possibly already being offered by other systems
[19:41] <AdamDV> _ruben: Define abstraction layer.
[19:43] <ivoks> _ruben: what's cool with clouding is that resources scale on demand
[19:43] <ivoks> _ruben: at least, they should
[19:46] <ivoks> awesome time for PPAs to die
[19:51] <DrNick_> 'elastisity' is the buzzword.
[19:52] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, cant upload?
[19:52] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: chroot dies
[19:52] <tbc> AdamDV: have you looked at Ubuntu's cloud page on the Web?
[19:53] <AdamDV> No?
[19:53] <AdamDV> Link?
[19:53] <tbc> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[19:53] <tbc> I think Simon's definition works.
[19:54] <tbc> AdamDV: here's more http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/why-ubuntu
[19:54] <AdamDV> Thanks
[19:54] <AdamDV> Reading now
[20:01] <AdamDV> Hmmm
[20:01] <AdamDV> So if I understand it.
[20:01] <AdamDV> Cloud computing is like "Okay, we need another server for the next 2 days"
[20:01] <AdamDV> *runs command, boots vps through xen*
[20:01] <AdamDV> "Done"
[20:01] <AdamDV> Whereas virtualization is just having VPS's in the first place.
[20:02] <AdamDV> And cloud computing is like copy pasting a virtual harddrive, something like that?
[20:02] <AdamDV> Its scalable virtual computing?
[20:06] <AdamDV> tbc: Something like that?
[20:07] <tbc> AdamDV: Sorry. my IRC connection got reset. I say "something like that" just now, but missed anything else you may have written in past 10 minutes.
[20:07] <tbc> s/I say/I saw/
[20:08] <AdamDV> tbc: http://pastebin.com/m49885da3
[20:09]  * tbc reads and thinks...
[20:12] <tbc> AdamDV: i think you're on the right track. Some things I would tweak...
[20:12] <AdamDV> such as?
[20:13] <tbc> One key element of the concept of cloud is that you won't care about the underlying infrastructure anymore.
[20:13] <tbc> Whether private or public, you're abstracting away from the idea of individual servers and separate storage.
[20:13] <tbc> When you talk about a cloud, that is.
[20:14] <AdamDV> so, instead of being like "I have 3 Quad Core Xeon Dedi's"
[20:14] <AdamDV> its "I have the power I need"
[20:14] <tbc> That's how I see it.
[20:14] <AdamDV> And, your site scales up and down automatically.
[20:14] <AdamDV> ?
[20:14] <tbc> Yes.
[20:14] <AdamDV> I see
[20:15] <AdamDV> Useful.
[20:15] <tbc> You'll get different answers from different people.
[20:15] <AdamDV> Yea
[20:15] <AdamDV> But, now, how does this all work?
[20:15] <tbc> The concept is still too new to pin down. But I think Ubuntu is on the right track. Eucalyptus is a key technology to watch.
[20:16] <tbc> Amazon created an API. That's a good place to start.
[20:16] <AdamDV> I guess Eucalyptus detects things like apache is slowing down, and automatically provisions a new vps and boots it, or...?
[20:16] <AdamDV> Ah
[20:16] <tbc> Excellent question. I don't know the features well enough to say.
[20:16] <tbc> But I think it should.
[20:16] <tbc> A cloud should be proactive.
[20:16] <AdamDV> I see
[20:16] <AdamDV> cool
[20:17] <AdamDV> Well, I don't think I'm going to adopt just yet
[20:17] <AdamDV> I prefer my own homebrew solution with a couple linodes.
[20:17] <tbc> In a cloud, the system should alert you that it might be a good idea to migrate some guests and power down some physical servers that aren't being used, for example. People might eventually configure stuff like that to happen automatically. I think some already do.
[20:18] <tbc> AdamDV: if all you need is a couple linodes, then cloud is definitely overkill.
[20:19] <tbc> A private cloud might make sense for a big chunk of an enterprise, and public clouds promise to scale to the Internet. Thus Amazon's involvement.
[20:19] <AdamDV> By "couple of linodes"
[20:19] <tbc> Economies of scale start to kick in.
[20:19] <AdamDV> I mean around 20 360's.
[20:19] <AdamDV> And a couple dedis from the planet.
[20:19] <AdamDV> ;)
[20:20] <tbc> *nod*
[20:20] <AdamDV> Working on starting something of a web hosting company, using a bunch of home brew software which will be sold.
[20:20] <tbc> Ah.
[20:20] <AdamDV> Pondering the great Red Hat vs Debian vs Ubuntu
[20:21] <tbc> understood
[20:21]  * tbc finds http://www.linode.com/ after googling just now
[20:21] <AdamDV> Yea
[20:21] <tbc> Looks like a competitor. ;)
[20:21] <AdamDV> They will be ;)
[20:21] <AdamDV> But, I'm mainly shared hosting.
[20:22] <AdamDV> VPS is no fun to start with.
[20:22] <AdamDV> Haha
[20:22] <tbc> I know the folks at http://tummy.com/ FWIW.
[20:22] <AdamDV> Working with a team of people to develop something like cPanel, something like MyBB, a collaboration suite, social network, and something of an operating system.
[20:22] <AdamDV> Heh
[20:23]  * AdamDV clicks
[20:23] <AdamDV> Hmmm
[20:23] <AdamDV> NIce :D
[20:23] <AdamDV> Seems proftiable
[20:23] <AdamDV> *profitable
[20:24] <tbc> I assume so. They've been at it since 1993.
[20:25] <AdamDV> wow
[20:25] <AdamDV> that was before I was born. haha.
[20:26] <tbc> *chuckle*
[20:27]  * AdamDV adds #ubuntu-server to autojoin
[20:29]  * tbc visits http://www.theplanet.com/ to see what AdamDV was talking about
[20:30] <AdamDV> tbc: Datacenter in Dallas
[20:30] <AdamDV> Cheap and Reliable dedicated servers.
[20:32] <tbc> *nod*
[20:32] <AdamDV> ubuntu.com needs a softer favicons
[20:32] <AdamDV> *favicon
[20:32]  * AdamDV cant type today, it seems
[20:33] <KurtKraut> If you live outside U.S., ThePlanet isn't reliable.
[20:33] <AdamDV> KurtKraut: Why not?
[20:33] <AdamDV> I'm in Canada.
[20:33] <AdamDV> Havent had a problem.
[20:33] <jpds> AdamDV: softer?
[20:33] <AdamDV> Been with them for 3 years.
[20:33] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, they abuse on foreign clients because we can't sue them.
[20:33] <AdamDV> jpds: http://ubuntuforums.org/favicon.ico
[20:34] <AdamDV> KurtKraut: I haven't had a problem so far.
[20:34] <AdamDV> But, I was considering SoftLayer
[20:34] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, I've met dozens of companies in Brazil that were just kicked on from ThePlanet because they 'complained to much'. And they didn't returned the money paid nor the files hosted.
[20:35] <AdamDV> Well that seems unjust.
[20:35] <AdamDV> But, they're cheap.
[20:35] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, another thing is: they lie. They don't offer truly dedicated servers. Some of them are virtualized.
[20:36] <AdamDV> That, I am aware of.
[20:36] <KurtKraut> AdamDV, a very big client of them in Brazil is a friend of mine. He went to US to visit ThePlanet and other datacenters. He said: 'I want to see all servers I purchased from you.' They showed only the Windows Servers and refused without explanations to show the Linux servers.
[20:37] <AdamDV> Heh
[20:43] <AdamDV> Anyone know of an alternative Cheap, Reliable dedicated server hosting company?
[20:44] <ivoks> mine :D
[20:44] <ivoks> that was a joke :D
[20:48] <AdamDV> ivoks: Link me :P
[20:49] <tbc> AdamDV: have a look at tummy.com for hosting.
[20:49]  * AdamDV studies site more
[20:52] <blistov> Anyone know why open-vm-tools under 9.04 or 9.10 server, don't actually work under esx(i)3.5 or later?
[20:53] <blistov> (Vmware says the VMwaretools state is "unmanaged".
[20:53] <blistov> Been wondering this for months.
[20:53] <blistov> Its about time I finally track down an answer.
[21:35] <Karamon> Hello, how do I change the way a program starts?  I would like to add the -4 tag to BIND when it starts, but don't know where to look.
[21:42] <tbc> Karamon: have a look at contents of /etc/init.d directory and related docs.
[21:46] <thafreak> does anyone know if there are any tutorials or howtos on setting up CLVM?
[21:49] <smoser> mathiaz, did you upload for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/521006
[21:50] <smoser> its already in
[21:53] <ttx> smoser: how is it going ?
[21:53] <smoser> getting there.
[21:54] <smoser> you want to sponsor one of my uploads ?
[21:54] <smoser> ttx,
[21:54] <smoser> i can get one together quick (the cloud-tuils)
[21:54] <ttx> smoser: I'd prefer not to :)
[21:54] <smoser> ok
[21:54] <smoser> then go to sleep
[21:54] <ttx> on my way to bed right now
[21:54] <smoser> i'll bother someone else.
[21:54] <ttx> smoser: send me an email if there is anything I should do early tomorrow morning
[21:55] <smoser> ok.
[21:55]  * ttx disappears again
[22:21] <ivoks> kirkland: sorry for interuption...
[22:22] <ivoks> kirkland: just let me know when cluster-glue|-agents are approved/declined
[22:24] <kirkland> ivoks: okay; fighting another fire at the moment
[22:25] <ivoks> kirkland: yeah, i understand
[22:31] <Zombie-Gaz> I've tried doing various forumn / web searches for this - all the "answers" don't work for me. How can I get my system to NOT load the splash screen / Gnome. I want to boot up to the console and have the option to start X if I need to.
[22:34] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: that's really an #ubuntu question
[22:34] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: look at /etc/init/gdm.conf
[22:37] <Zombie-Gaz> ivoks: Sorry mate. Didn't have anyone help me in there and I thought it may qualify as a "server" question.
[22:37] <Zombie-Gaz> ivoks: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try that route.
[22:38] <ivoks> that's for gdm
[22:38] <ivoks> splash screen is grub option
[22:38] <ivoks> for that look at /etc/default/grub
[22:39] <ivoks> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[22:41] <Zombie-Gaz> Hm. I have no /etc/default/grub
[22:41] <ivoks> which ubuntu is that?
[22:41] <ivoks> what version
[22:42] <Zombie-Gaz> 9.10
[22:42] <ivoks> then it must be there
[22:42] <ivoks> or you downgraded to grub1
[22:42] <ivoks> or did an upgrade from previous version
[22:43] <ivoks> in which case you have /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:43] <Zombie-Gaz> The latter. :)
[22:43] <Zombie-Gaz> I just found it as you said that.
[22:45] <kirkland> ivoks: are you waiting around for this?  I'll get to it, but it might be later this evening
[22:45] <kirkland> ivoks: it's 5pm and i haven't had lunch today :-P
[22:45] <ivoks> kirkland: it's 11pm here
[22:45] <ivoks> kirkland: and i too haven't had a lunch :D
[22:45] <ivoks> or dinner :)
[22:45] <kirkland> ivoks: ;-)
[22:46] <kirkland> ivoks: okay, i'm grabbing a bite to eat, then i'll take a look at it
[22:46] <Zombie-Gaz> 9.10?
[22:46] <ivoks> kirkland: please, cause i'm waiting with other uploads on this
[22:46] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: search for # defoptions=quiet splash
[22:46] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: and just delete splash
[22:46] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: do not uncomment it
[22:47] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: save and run update-grub
[22:47] <Zombie-Gaz> Do NOT uncomment it?
[22:47] <ivoks> correct
[22:47] <ivoks> just remove word 'splash'
[22:47] <ivoks> so it looks like this
[22:47] <ivoks> # defoptions=quiet
[22:47] <Zombie-Gaz> Got it.
[22:48] <ivoks> kirkland: thanks
[22:49] <Zombie-Gaz> ivoks: Thanks mate.
[22:49] <ivoks> Zombie-Gaz: np
[22:55] <ivoks> kirkland: i'll be back in an hour :/
[23:43] <AdamDV> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBUgEx_91BU I love that video.
[23:43] <AdamDV> Err
[23:43] <AdamDV> Whoops, wrong channel.


[16:32] <gnomefreak> i think jockey is broke on jaunty :( it wontactivate the drivers
[16:32] <gnomefreak> damn wrong channel


[19:48] <mup> PR operator#596 opened: Add .copy() to StoredDict <Created by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/596>
[20:02] <mup> Issue operator#585 closed: config item translates incorrectly into model.config when includes a period <Created by sed-i> <Closed by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/585>
[20:14] <mup> PR operator#597 opened: Added "planned unit count" to model <Created by petevg> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/597>
[21:28] <mup> PR operator#598 opened: Fix _should_use_controller_storage for metadata v2 charms <Created by petevg> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/598>
[22:24] <mup> Issue operator#599 opened: Docs for is_ready does not format correctly <Created by dstathis> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/599>


[00:30] <RoyK^> anyone that knows how to make landscape make temperature monitoring work?
[00:31] <RoyK^> afaik it uses acpi
[00:31] <RoyK^> lmsensors reports temp ok, but not acpi
[02:09] <Nick386> hi
[02:45] <shennyg> I am trying to only install mysql on an ec2 instance (not a webserver) and I run this: "aptitude install -y mysql-server" then try to run "mysql -p" and it says I don't have it installed.
[02:45] <shennyg> this is w/ 9.10
[03:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #550022 in samba (main) "package samba-common-bin 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.6 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550022
[04:35] <Chandler243>  I am trying to install ubuntu server 9.10 to an unformatted external harddrive using a live cd, I keep having issues getting past the first reboot after install. Can anyone help?
[04:48] <JanC> Chandler243: I suppose disks are enumerated differently or something like that, and because of that grub not finding what it needs (looking on the wrong disk)
[04:50] <Chandler243> JanC: thank you, does that mean a new install should be preformed?
[04:52] <JanC> a new install might give the same results
[04:52] <JanC> I'd suggest not installing on external media
[04:52] <JanC> ;)
[04:53] <Chandler243> Ok, thank you!
[04:53] <JanC> or maybe fix grub
[04:53] <JanC> but that requires some knowledge about how it works
[04:54] <Chandler243> I was almost thinking about trying lilo, I know how to fix grub from past experience, But if it didnt install all the components, that wouldnt help much
[04:55] <MTeck-ricer> how do I create a volume in lvm that takes up 100% of the remaining space?
[04:56] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh, ping
[04:56] <MTeck-ricer> I tried lvcreate -l%FREE -nhome sys
[05:03] <Rafael_> how can a make copies of windwos client folder into ubuntu server
[05:07] <JamesHarrison> Hi, my ubuntu server machine appears to have autoeuthanized by way of a very odd bug of some sort, I'm fairly sure. Clean shutdown, 500GB RAID1, moved it between two houses and booted it, box now throws a kernel panic on boot with "Error parsing configuration: No such file or directory" and "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[05:07] <JamesHarrison> It was throwing ReiserFS issues up, I've since gone in and fsck'd to fix those
[05:08] <JamesHarrison> (through recovery console on a 9.10 iso; the box itself is 9.04)
[05:08] <JamesHarrison> Just looking for ways to get the thing back on it's feet again given that there doesn't seem to be a hardware fault and the disk seems fine
[05:14] <ScottK> All the cables fully plugged in?
[05:17] <JanC> what "configuration"?
[05:22] <JamesHarrison> ScottK: Yeah, I've not cracked it open to look but the RAID config on the BIOS reports all is well, and I can see data on the drive just fine from the recovery CD
[05:22] <JamesHarrison> JanC: Not a clue, that's all the message says.
[05:23] <ScottK> First thing I would do if a computer failed after moving it is make sure all the cables are well seated.
[05:24] <JamesHarrison> ScottK: The cables are seated fine because I can see data going across them just fine :) I'll have a quick poke but given they're all locking connectors I think it's extremely unlikely there's a fault
[05:24] <ScottK> JamesHarrison: You're probably right, but I always check it anyway.
[05:24] <JamesHarrison> ScottK: Yeah, I know the sentiment ;)
[05:26] <JanC> JamesHarrison: I hope the reiserfs fix didn't move any grub files?
[05:27] <JamesHarrison> JanC: Don't believe it did, no, was just the root volume, grub's all on /boot, yes?
[05:28] <JanC> well, depends if /boot is its own partition  ☺
[05:29] <JamesHarrison> hm, should be. aside from the esoteric and probably misguided filesystem choice (this is just a development box I have under my desk, nothing vital) it's a standard setup, default partitioning
[05:29] <JanC> default partitioning has /boot on the / partition
[05:29] <JanC> well, except with the RAID maybe
[05:31] <JamesHarrison> Well, RAID1, so really just one logical drive, but I'm not an expert at linux fs/partitioning stuff so I don't know if it handles it differently :)
[05:31] <JamesHarrison> Grub seems to work okay, or at least the bootloader portion
[05:32] <JamesHarrison> that said, doing 'ls /boot' in recovery console through the 9.10 iso wasn't showing any files, which it should have if it was on /
[05:35] <JamesHarrison> Okay, poked around inside and the cables are all sound and secure
[05:35] <JamesHarrison> nothing untoward in there, toasty as heck but that's what you get from a P4 in a pizzabox...
[06:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #550050 in samba (main) "package winbind 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.6 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 127" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550050
[06:48] <ChmEarl> uninstalled postfix, but the init script is still there. However, the top line is !#/bin sh -e. Does this turn off the script?
[06:48] <ChmEarl>   #!/binsh -e
[06:48] <ChmEarl>   #!/bin/sh -e
[06:49] <ScottK> ChmEarl: If you want the init script removed, purge, don't remove.
[06:49] <ChmEarl> yes, thats it!
[06:51] <ChmEarl> dpkg -P <name>
[06:51] <ScottK> apt-get purge <name> works too
[06:52] <eekeek> zoneedit / DynamicDNS router settings working with the exception of - www.domain.com takes me to correct index.html file, but http://domain.com takes me to the router login page. Any idea what I'm missing?
[06:55] <ScottK> What domain?
[07:01] <eekeek> ScottK: what the actual domain is doesn't make a difference does it?
[07:01] <ScottK> If I'm going to look up it's DNS records and see if they are right it does.
[07:02] <handheldCar> Postfix is set up on my machine, but I don't think it can send mail through my service provider; so I installed Drupal's PHPMailer; but I don't think that can get through Postfix. Can anyone help? I might have to turn off Postfix. I had PHPMailer working on another machine before.
[07:02] <ChmEarl> going to build the Xen pv_ops kernel, there are 176 lines in config for snd. If I running a server box with no X11, can I delete all those lines?
[07:02] <ScottK> Generally I don't ask for useless information.
[07:02] <ScottK> handheldCar: I don't think php-mailer is an MTA.  I'm pretty sure it needs one.
[07:02] <eekeek> ScottK: www.nfotown.com
[07:03] <ScottK> You can set up Postfix to relay mail through your service provider.
[07:04] <ScottK> eekeek: They both resolve to the same IP address, so it appears your DNS is correct.
[07:05] <handheldCar> ScottK: The PHPMailer module adds SMTP support by sending mail through a GMail account.
[07:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[07:05] <ScottK> OK.
[07:05] <eekeek> Scottk: k
[07:06] <handheldCar> setting up Postfix to relay mail through my service provider sounds better since Postfix is already configured.
[07:10]  * handheldCar found something about a mail.cf file.
[07:12] <handheldCar> might be a typo - main.cf
[07:13] <ScottK> If you aren't familiar with Postfix, sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix and then select internet with relay host as an option might be easier.
[07:18] <handheldCar> ok
[07:26]  * handheldCar thinks that was harder, probably broke it.
[07:36] <ddecator_> hey all, noob question. i setup a server at home so i can use irssi and screen, used "ssh user@ip" to connect before, but now that i'm at school (and thus on a different network) i'm wondering how i can connect to the server?
[07:39] <sherr> ddecator_: if your server has a public IP address, no problem. If nehind a firewall/router, you will need to forward the SSH port to it.
[07:40] <ddecator_> sherr: so i just have to forward the port to the modem it's wirelessly connected to? that's not hard, but i'm nowhere near home, haha
[07:46] <sherr> yes, that sounds right. make sure you a) use SSH keys or b) choose very strong passwords. You will get cracking attempts. Might be worth moving SSH to a different port.
[07:47] <ddecator_> i'm using ssh keys, but i'll also create a new password when i set it up and change the port. thanks for the help =)
[08:00] <handheldCar> I actually made a little progress I think because the mail that's supposed to show up in an inbox is showing up in Webmin. I've been trying to get it out but no success.
[09:08] <RoyK^> Anyone that knows how to make landscape make temperature monitoring work? afaik it uses acpi. lmsensors reports temp ok, but not acpi
[09:26] <dnivra> can someone tell me where I can the package libapache2-mod-wsgi for jaunty? I want to install it on a server that doesn't have internet connection now. where can  I find the deb package for this?
[09:30] <Callum__> dnivra: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:30] <dnivra> Callum__, I've searched there but couldn't find it there. am searching again. if you do know where it is there, please do tell me.
[09:31] <Callum__> dnivra: could you download it using the package manager? If so, it is there
[09:31] <dnivra> Callum__, I'm using karmic but the server's running jaunty. plus the server doesn't have internet connection either.
[09:32] <ChmEarl> when runlevels are need for udev service?
[09:33] <ChmEarl> what runlevels are needed for udev service?
[09:33] <Callum__> ChmEarl: udev should be running on all runlevels
[09:33] <ChmEarl> I have 2-5 , is that ok?
[09:33] <Callum__> ChmEarl: Ubuntu only uses runlevels 0, 1, 2 and 6
[09:33] <ChmEarl> all is 0-6
[09:34] <ChmEarl> k
[09:34] <ChmEarl> this is karmic server with no x11
[09:34] <ChmEarl> I need udev for Xen
[09:35] <Callum__> ChmEarl: udev should be installed by default and starting in runlevels 1 and 2
[09:43] <RoyK^> I don't think I've ever seen ubuntu without udev
[09:48] <Callum__> RoyK^: maybe older versions might have... old versions of Debian didn't require udev to be installed IIRC
[09:53] <RoyK^> yeah, but even debian uses udev now
[09:53] <RoyK^> and the ubuntu 8.04 we use on our servers, definetely use udev
[09:54] <RoyK^> just apt-get install xen :P
[11:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #550138 in php5 (main) "package php5-ldap 5.3.2-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/ldap.so', which is also in package libapache2-mod-php5 0:5.3.1-5ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550138
[12:13] <RoyK^> any idea how to tell cron to run a job every fortnight? I can't find that in the manual...
[12:20] <lenios> RoyK, "* 12 10-16/4 * * root backup.sh" is an example that runs every 4 days
[12:21] <lenios> my paste may be wrong actually, but it's the /4
[12:23] <lenios> * 23 * * */4 root backup.sh
[12:52] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #550201 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.6 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550201
[12:55] <resno> i am thinking about setting a asterick server for my house. i see many guides, is this somehting i shsould contiune with?
[13:29] <RoyK^> lenios: thanks - works like a dream except on opensolaris where this job was to be run :P
[14:07] <Sripa> Hi all
[14:07] <Sripa> I got a prob with setting up UEC on my home network
[14:08] <Sripa> Where when i ssh my running karmic instance, I get the error : connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[14:08] <Sripa> Any idea where am I making a mistake ?
[14:08] <Sripa> I am a student and an absolute newbie..so please bear with me if my questions sound silly at times..
[14:08] <Sripa> Anyone to help ?
[14:10] <Sripa> I get the error : connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[14:12] <Sripa> Anyone can help, please  ?
[14:17] <alex_joni> Sripa: sounds like you don't have an ssh server installed
[14:17] <alex_joni> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[14:17] <alex_joni> if that's not the exact name, you can find it using apt-cache search ssh | grep server
[14:18] <Sripa> oh ok, lemme check
[14:24] <Sripa> I can logon to my NC using ssh
[14:24] <Sripa> Now tht should prove that my ssh is working right
[14:27] <Sripa> I guess my ssh is working fine
[14:28] <Sripa> wat else might be the problem ?
[14:28] <RoyK^> anyone that knows how I can make acpi temperature monitoring work?
[15:19] <sherr> RoyK^: ACPI can be a real pain to get working (my home PC doesn't work with it enabled at all). Maybe Lucid will work better (newer kernel). Or it might be nothing to do with kernel ... maybe BIOS? Who knows ...
[15:28] <incorrect> i wish i could think of a way to create multiple virtual ethernet cards so i can assign multiple dhcp clients with different mac addresses
[15:31] <RoyK^> sherr: acpi works well, but I can't get temperature output from it, so landscape can't monitor that
[15:32] <RoyK^> incorrect: did you try assigning different mac addresses to eth0:1 and so on?
[15:33] <incorrect> yes
[15:34] <incorrect> it only pics up the mac for the base
[15:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #550278 in php5 (main) "php5-dev is missing a dependency on libpcre3-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550278
[16:29] <mrlemao> What is the best way to convert an ext3 root volume into a XFS?
[16:36] <sherr> mrlemao: As far as I know, you will have to copy data off, mkfs.xfs, copy data back. Why do you want to?
[16:38] <mrlemao> I need consistent snapshots in a Ubuntu Karmic EC2 instance with mysql and my starting point is the EBS image ami-7d43ae14 provided by alestic. The problem is that this image is ext3 and the consistent-snapshot assumes XFS.
[16:39] <mrlemao> sherr: consistent-snapshot == ec2-consistent-snapshot (http://alestic.com/2009/09/ec2-consistent-snapshot)
[16:42] <sherr> mrlemao: Ah, xfs_freeze ... anyway, no conversion really. A wipe, create and restore.
[16:44] <mrlemao> sherr: Are you saying that due to xfs_freeze used in the snapshotting script a conversion wont do and I need to create the XFS from scratch?
[16:47] <sherr> mrlemao: I don't know how to convert ext3 to XFS. They are completely different filesystems. I don't think you can "convert" one to another.
[16:48] <sherr> My comment on "xfs_freeze" was just interest in this mechanism - probably the whole reason they are using XFS in the first place. XFS has some useful features.
[16:53] <mrlemao> sherr: I see. Yes, that is the case. freezing the fs garantees that multiple files will remain consistent when backing up the volume. The script has additional provisions for locking the db and flushing to disk etc
[16:54] <handheldCar> This makes sense to me, too. I would also try to backup my config files in /etc, mkfs and then put my configurations back in their places. This is in addition to SQL tables and whatnot.
[17:53] <gbear14275> ran into an error (probably my fault) but thought I would see if anyone has seen it before.  Upgraded my server and may have installed grub to the wrong disk (although thought I picked the right one).  Ran into a grub rescue> prompt and have been following a rescue walkthrough.  on the insmod /grub/linux.mod step though I run into the following error, " error message: 'grub_puts_' not found"  Following steps here:  h
[18:47] <arrrghhh> does anyone use rtorrent on their ubuntu server?  i'm having trouble with the startup script.  if i run rtorrent manually, it's fine... but the init.d script, not so much.  I just downloaded a fresh one from their website, put my username in and it's still failing...
[18:57] <sherr> arrrghhh: what error do you see?
[18:58] <arrrghhh> well that's the odd thing, i don't see any error.  even in the rtorrentInit log.
[18:58] <arrrghhh> hrm... i just tried using the sh script
[18:58] <arrrghhh> instead of the bash script
[18:58] <arrrghhh> and it seems to be workin now... i don't get it.  same output, but rtorrent actually runs this time.
[18:59] <handheldCar> Let's put it on a wiki
[19:00] <sherr> Some scripts use /bin/sh and expect "bash" - not necessarily true. Causes problems.
[19:05] <RoyK^> sherr: heh - that's stupid :)
[19:07] <Sripa> Hi all
[19:07] <Sripa> Is there anyway I can access my virtual instance running on my nc from command line
[19:07] <Sripa> I mean, will I be able to mount it and access its inner data
[19:07] <Sripa> ?
[19:07] <Sripa> Im using UEC
[19:08] <arrrghhh> sherr, thanks.  not sure what it was, the tops of the script were correct for which was bash and which was sh... meh.  like their site said, the sh script is more compatible.  not sure what i'm missing in "features" compared to the bash script, but oh well.
[19:09] <sherr> Sripa: yes, run an SSH server and connect that way. You should also have conmsole access (or VNC perhaps).
[19:10] <Sripa> sherr: I am unable to connect to the instance using ssh, it says connection refused
[19:11] <Sripa> That is why I am asking if I can access the virtual instance running on nc, frm nc..is there any such possibility to do it ?
[19:11] <MTeck-ricer> how do I grow an ext4 fs to fill the remaining space?
[19:14] <handheldCar> isn't that unfortunately impossible?
[19:16] <Sripa> What does this indicate ? http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5971/dsc04624o.jpg
[19:16] <Sripa> What might be the problem  ? sry im a newbie
[19:17] <handheldCar> Did you change your configuration files?
[19:18] <Sripa> I created a key using ssh-keygen
[19:18] <Sripa> Shoudn't I do it ?
[19:18] <handheldCar> hmm, I never do that. I just ssh in.
[19:18] <Sripa> ok
[19:19] <Sripa> I created a keypair using euca-add-keypair mykey > mykey.priv
[19:19] <Sripa> And the run the instance using mykey
[19:19] <RoyK^> handheldCar: the host keys should be generated automatically. ssh-keygen makes user keys by default
[19:19] <Sripa> And ssh -vi mykey.priv ubuntu@IP
[19:20] <Sripa> RoyK: But when I saw the contents of both the keys, they were the same
[19:20] <RoyK^> just make the key and it'll be stored under $HOME/.ssh and used automatically
[19:20] <Sripa> Now does that make a difference ?
[19:21] <Sripa> I have an id_dsa key in ~.ssh directory
[19:21] <Sripa> And it is different from mykey.priv that I have generated
[19:23] <Sripa> ssh -vi mykey.priv ubuntu@IP gives http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5971/dsc04624o.jpg
[19:23] <Sripa> what should I be doing? any ideas ?
[19:31] <handheldCar> Sripa: Don't generate user keys?
[19:33] <Sripa> handleCar: I didnt get your point
[19:33] <handheldCar> I'm not familiar w/ the server side of ssh. What's the necessity of generating them?
[19:34] <Sripa> They authenticate the client to the host
[19:34] <Sripa> correct me if I am wrong
[19:37] <handheldCar> Personally, I don't do this on my server. I log in from my desktop or a remote desktop at school. I don't limit myself to one or two computers that I authenticate with keys, but that's not necessarily a safe idea. I'm still new too.
[20:08] <sherr> Sripa: are you using a guide? Can you post a link?
[20:12] <RoyK^> handheldCar: it's a bad idea to just use keys imho
[20:12] <RoyK^> using fail2ban or something to stop probes is better
[20:16] <sherr> RoyK^: It's a debatable point. But maybe UEC requires keys? Some applications do.
[20:17] <guntbert> RoyK^: why do say that using "just keys" is a bad idea?
[20:17] <RoyK^> requiring all users to use keys is a bad idea if you have 500 of them on various platforms
[20:18] <guntbert> RoyK^: agreed
[20:32] <dinger1986> does anyone here use any server monitoring systems?
[20:36] <sherr> dinger1986: I have a very old and crusty MRTG at work, and played with munin at home.
[20:36] <sherr> + cacti
[20:37] <dinger1986> sherr: do you know if it will monitor servers which are external?
[20:38] <nimrod10> is there a way to increase a linux partition without rebooting the system ? the partition has ext3 on top.
[20:38] <sherr> You mean servers that are not running the monitoring software? I have used MRTG to do a "ping" test to an external server - but that's all.
[20:39] <sherr> nimrod10: Yes, most filesystems require you to unmount them before resizing. I believe XFS does a resize online mounted though. Depends what partition.
[20:40] <dinger1986> ah dont wanna just do a ping test, want to be able to see which services are running or not
[20:41] <ChmEarl> anyone running Xen4/pv_ops kernel on karmic 9.10? getting failed hotplug scripts when starting a domU
[20:41] <sherr> dinger1986: I think many/most are extensible - write your own plugin/scripts to do a test
[20:42] <dinger1986> ok fair enough
[20:42] <sherr> I wrote the "ping" test - nagios does this as well I think.
[20:43] <sherr> ChmEarl: I have started playing with Xen this week - but on Debian Lenny. It looks like it is supported better (more easily).
[20:43] <sherr> I am quite impressed with it so far. It seems quick. A bit of a pain to figure out how to do some things though ... still learning :-)
[20:44] <ChmEarl> sherr,  did you use all defaults in xend-config.sxp? did you have a br0 before using Xen?
[20:45] <sherr> YEs, I have not touched that file. The networking was all default and "magic" (created "eth0" as a bridge now). All just apt-get install ...
[20:45] <sherr> My pain was installing guests (Squeeze via d-i, Centos5)
[20:46] <nimrod10> sherr, so without rebooting if I unmount the partition, resize the part, resize the filesystem  and mount back that should do it ?
[20:47] <sherr> Some (possibly) useful guide material, including Ubuntu here : http://bderzhavets.wordpress.com/
[20:47] <sherr> ChmEarl: ^^ Xen
[20:47] <sherr> nimrod10: yes
[20:48] <nimrod10> thanks sherr I'll give it a go
[20:48] <sherr> nimrod10: no guarantees here though - know what you are doing but have backups!
[20:48] <nimrod10> yes I'll back things up before
[20:48] <sherr> See (for ext2/3 maybe 4) : man resize2fs
[20:49] <ChmEarl> sherr, I susbscribe to xen-users mailing list where Boris is guru
[20:49] <ChmEarl> sherr, the ##xen people are telling me to avoid karmic and try fedora 12.. ugh
[20:50] <sherr> ChmEarl: Go Debian Lenny. Seems stable and working + next release has support as well.
[20:52] <sherr> My knowledge is slight so far though. So far so good though ...
[20:52] <sherr> The thing is - there are too many machines without h/w virt - and want to put them to use. Xen is ideal.
[20:55] <sherr> ChmEarl: what kernel are you using as a domU? Did you build it yourself?
[21:06] <codilechasseur> Anyone have any opinions on apache and which version would be best for a dev server?
[21:06] <codilechasseur> prefork or threaded
[21:07] <RoyK^> sherr: there's a -virtual for domU
[21:07] <codilechasseur> or whateber else
[21:07] <RoyK^> depends on what you need, really
[21:07] <RoyK^> prefork is stable and works with php and the flock
[21:07] <RoyK^> threaded is also stable, but mostly for high-traffic servers
[21:08] <RoyK^> and bad php support
[21:08] <RoyK^> that's php's fault, but still
[21:08] <codilechasseur> ok, so prefork i think  then
[21:08] <codilechasseur> i just need to get it tuned i guess
[21:08] <RoyK^> prefork works well
[21:08] <RoyK^> for a dev server?
[21:08] <codilechasseur> it's always seemed a little slower than
[21:08] <RoyK^> probably no tuning needed
[21:09] <RoyK^> prefork is slower on high traffic
[21:09] <codilechasseur> it'll be maybe 10 people developing drupal sites
[21:09] <RoyK^> you won't notice that on a dev server
[21:09] <RoyK^> just use prefork
[21:09] <codilechasseur> apache2-mpm-prefork?
[21:09] <codilechasseur> is that the package
[21:09] <RoyK^> yeah
[21:10] <codilechasseur> sweet. i'm actually just trying to get a script together that'll install everything we need for dev
[21:11] <RoyK^> most of the stuff is ready in the packages
[21:11] <codilechasseur> do i need to specify mysql-server-5.1 or does just mysql-server suffice?
[21:11] <RoyK^> it'll suffce
[21:11] <RoyK^> suffice
[21:12] <RoyK^> depending on version, you might get an older mysql than 5.1, so if you need just that, specify it
[21:13] <codilechasseur> don't think it matters, as long as it's 5 which i'm pretty sure it is
[21:13] <codilechasseur> libmysqlclient15-dev?
[21:13] <RoyK^> that's the mysql5 client
[21:13] <codilechasseur> what about mysql-client?
[21:13] <handheldCar> I got mysql 5.0 and 5.1
[21:13] <RoyK^> codilechasseur: it'll follow
[21:14] <RoyK^> codilechasseur: and you won't need it much if it's just a server, just the libs
[21:14] <codilechasseur> which one won't i need?
[21:14] <codilechasseur> the -dev package?
[21:15] <RoyK^> -dev is only needed if you want to compile something that links to it
[21:15] <RoyK^> the client installs automatically with the server
[21:15] <codilechasseur> ok, so all i really need for a server is mysql-server
[21:15] <codilechasseur> and i get the corresponding client for free
[21:15] <RoyK^> afaik yes
[21:16] <codilechasseur> nice, thanks RoyK^
[21:16] <handheldCar> if not just apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
[21:55] <ChmEarl> xen: hotplug script errors starting a domU on karmic 9.10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/404454/
[22:32] <osmosis> how can I open a terminal to connect to   /dev/pts/7  ?
[23:31] <JamesHarrison> If I need to resize a reiserfs filesystem inside a LVM from 500gb down to 150gb, reiserfs_resize should be all I need, right?
[23:32] <JamesHarrison> "reiserfs_resize -s 150G /dev/mapper/daedalus"


[01:31] <lostson> nothing worse than climbing telephone poles in a blizzard
[02:03] <sgtd> maybe portapotty scrubbing duty on free buffalo wings night
[02:03] <sgtd> wilugbot: right?
[02:03] <wilugbot> ...Are you room 7F?
[02:15] <lostson> sgtd: yeah that would be worse
[02:17] <sgtd> lostson: so what are you in the business of doing, affixed to telephone poles?
[02:17] <lostson> cable
[02:18] <sgtd> gotcha
[02:22] <lostson> yeah im just a lowly cable guy
[02:23] <sgtd> lowly?
[02:24] <sgtd> i don't know how to do cable installs/maintenance.   am i lowly?
[02:24] <lostson> no i wouldnt think so
[02:25] <sgtd> i certainly am if i'm a cable guy and i can't do that stuff.
[02:25]  * sgtd talks in circles
[02:25] <lostson> ok somehow i got confused here


[00:01] <zoom> ok, 32 bit behaves exactly the same. so it must be something version unrelated with this laptop
[00:01] <zoom> thanks for trying anyway
[02:20] <Petros> Hi ther. Couple hours ago I had problems with uncontrolled session shut down (after a power cut). As I cleared my .Config it is ok now (thank you guys). It appears, the crashed app is skype. I removed .skype dir and reinstalled skype using software centre - no success. Skype support forum yields no answer. Please advise.
[02:26] <Unit193> Petros: Try fully purging the application >  sudo apt-get purge skype skype-bin   then reinstall  with  sudo apt-get install skype-bin
[02:33] <Petros> Unit193: executing...
[02:34] <Fudge> anyone happen to have a script to get all depends to prepare for installing xfce from git
[02:36] <Petros> Unit193: same effect - just relogged after a crash
[05:19] <disco-eel> hi
[05:20] <disco-eel> I had a ? about kernel mods but its too chattery in Ubuntu, anyone awake
[06:16] <Noskcaj10> congrats on being the best DE for gaming. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1304_desktop1&num=1
[07:09] <ochosi> Noskcaj10: well, there doesn't seem to be a really conclusive result in that article
[07:10] <Noskcaj10> xubuntu generally got the best fps, just saying.
[09:39] <estonia> hi
[09:39] <estonia> having problems with waking computer from suspend on my nokia 3g booklet running xubuntu 12.10
[09:40] <estonia> after wake the screen is stripy and i only can access tty console
[09:41] <estonia> running command sudo service lightdm restart brings me back to log in screen and everything is as normal
[09:41] <estonia> any suggestions?
[09:43] <estonia> anyone?
[09:45] <xubuntu894> hllow xubuntu users
[09:47] <estonia> having problems with waking computer from suspend on my nokia 3g booklet running xubuntu 12.10
[09:47] <estonia> anyone?
[09:48] <xubuntu894> Do somebody know advice me with me ace aspire one d270, i instaled xubuntu but i have problem with startx, there is problem to sreen found
[09:49] <xubuntu894> how or where i can find some info about gma3650
[10:03] <estonia> having problems with waking computer from suspend on my nokia 3g booklet running xubuntu 12.10
[10:03] <estonia> anyone?
[10:05] <knome> !patience | estonia
[11:02] <qwertz_> any estimates on which xfce will make it into 13.04?
[11:03] <qwertz_> oh actually i see 4.12 pre1 has been released!
[11:04] <qwertz_> damnit, that was 4.10 pre1 :(
[11:05] <koegs> qwertz_: 4.10 is final
[11:05] <koegs> and 4.10 is in 12.10
[11:06] <qwertz_> okay, so the devs have explicitly decided against 4.12 in 13.04?
[11:08] <Unit193> qwertz_: It won't be released in time.
[11:09] <qwertz_> Unit193, that's a pity...
[11:09] <qwertz_> i thought this time they targeted a xubuntu-friendly release-schedule...
[11:10] <knome> that's not their main goal
[11:25] <dydzEz2_> i got a new ultrabook, is xubuntu a really easy install, basically i just shrink my current w8 OS (I use for games and office and some other software) and use that new space for xubuntu in the gui installation?
[11:25] <dydzEz2_> i have questions about updates, using grub. When a new version comes out, like 13.xx -- how do you upgrade from 12 to 13
[11:25] <dydzEz2_> will you be able to do it within the OS
[11:26] <knome> dydzEz2_, the installation should go that smoothly
[11:27] <knome> dydzEz2_, upgrades from releases to others are easy, and yes, you'll definitely be able to do it within the OS
[11:27] <dydzEz2_> ok thanks
[11:27] <dydzEz2_> i guess ill just secure my wireless driver for linux
[11:28] <knome> making backups of what you have before installing is never a bad idea
[11:29] <dydzEz2_> knome do you recommened unetbootin?
[11:29] <dydzEz2_> yeah of course
[11:29] <knome> i haven't used it myself
[11:29] <knome> if you download the ISO, you can use the live CD to see if your hardware works out of the box
[11:30] <knome> (there are also ways to make a bootable usb stick out of the ISO, if you don't have an optical drive)
[11:31] <dydzEz2_> yeah
[11:31] <dydzEz2_> i have to use a usb stick
[11:31] <dydzEz2_> i got a x1 carbon ultrabook from lenovo
[11:32] <koegs> got the same :)
[11:32] <dydzEz2_> i know theres like 2-3 good usb installers like unetbootin and universal usb installer or something
[11:32] <dydzEz2_> oh yeah?
[11:32] <koegs> works like a breeze
[11:32] <knome> !usb | dydzEz2_
[11:32] <dydzEz2_> isnt it such a nice feeel
[11:32] <dydzEz2_> did everything work out of the box?
[11:33] <koegs> dydzEz2_: yes
[11:33] <koegs> i use 12.10, but i think 12.04 LTS should work also
[11:33] <dydzEz2_> thats great
[11:33] <dydzEz2_> imma do updates then make a w8 backup then do this
[11:33] <dydzEz2_> i guess ill use lenovos backup tool
[11:34] <dydzEz2_> thanks for the advice
[11:34] <knome> dydzEz2_, good luck and have fun :)
[11:59] <dydzEz2_> knome, one more thing, do you think I should go 64 bit
[12:00] <dydzEz2_> since we have the same laptop, i know you'd be very helpful in this answer
[12:01] <knome> dydzEz2_, it was koegs who had the same laptop :)
[12:01] <dydzEz2_> oh lol
[12:01] <dydzEz2_> koegs!
[12:02] <dydzEz2_> 64 bit or 32 bit
[12:02] <koegs> i use 64bit on every OS as long as the CPU supports it
[12:02] <dydzEz2_> alright 64 bit xubuntu it is
[12:13] <dydzEz2_> is there really any reason not to get 12.10?
[12:14] <CHIex> Hello, I am new to Linux, looking for distribution. Could you give some tips which would be good for a new user?
[12:14] <knome> dydzEz2_, if you want longer support
[12:14] <CHIex> what is the difference between XUBUNTU and UBUNTU?
[12:14] <knome> CHIex, xubuntu would suit you well, for example
[12:14] <CHIex> knome: WHY?
[12:14] <dydzEz2_> knome: wont i eventually just able to do just upgrade to the newer version anyway
[12:15] <knome> dydzEz2_, yes, but if you go with 12.10, you'll have to upgrade all the releases between
[12:15] <knome> dydzEz2_, from 12.04 you can jump straight to 14.04
[12:15] <dydzEz2_> oh
[12:15] <dydzEz2_> so going with 12.10 just takes more downloading time
[12:15] <knome> CHIex, the main difference is that xubuntu uses xfce as the desktop environment, ubuntu uses unity
[12:16] <knome> dydzEz2_, well, not *right now* :)
[12:16] <knome> dydzEz2_, 14.04 is released in april 2014...
[12:17] <dydzEz2_> yeah
[12:17] <dydzEz2_> im fine with just getting  12.10 if it lets me have the drivers
[12:17] <dydzEz2_> ill do live cd tests
[12:17] <CHIex> so if something goes wrong or I dont know, I could ask in UBUNTU forums? They seem to have larger support so that might be useful sometime
[12:17] <knome> CHIex, some of the questions are xubuntu-specific, but many are not
[12:17] <dydzEz2_> btw when i can dl 12.04, theres an "alternate" link -- whats that for
[12:17] <knome> CHIex, so yes, in many cases, you can
[12:18] <knome> dydzEz2_, that's the non-graphical installation with a few extra installation options
[12:18] <dydzEz2_> oh
[12:18] <knome> dydzEz2_, you'll need desktop if you want to do live cd tests
[12:18] <CHIex> so what are CONS and PROS of Xubuntu?
[12:19] <knome> CHIex, compared to what?
[12:22] <CHIex> to UBUNTU, SUSE and MINT
[12:23] <dydzEz2_> oh knome, so these links at getxubuntu are just pure installation
[12:23] <knome> CHIex, can you please not shout (eg. not write in CAPS)?
[12:23] <knome> CHIex, xubuntu is lighter than ubuntu.
[12:24] <knome> CHIex, the difference between xubuntu and suse/mint are more notable, what's the best depends on your needs
[12:24] <CHIex> pardon about that
[12:24] <knome> dydzEz2_, hmm, which ones?
[12:25] <dydzEz2_> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[12:25] <knome> dydzEz2_, both desktop and alternate will install the same system (unless you use one of the extra options with alternate)
[12:25] <CHIex> well I want stuff to be easy, installing without problem, good support, for older computer, for watching videos, support for software and drivers
[12:25] <knome> dydzEz2_, for 12.10, there's only desktop ISO's
[12:25] <dydzEz2_> yeah i downloaded destkop
[12:25] <dydzEz2_> yeah
[12:25] <dydzEz2_> ok so im good
[12:25] <dydzEz2_> ill be able to test the live CD
[12:26] <dydzEz2_> ill just use unetbootin or whatever from
[12:26] <dydzEz2_> !usb
[12:26] <knome> CHIex, define "older computer"? how much ram do you have?
[12:26] <knome> dydzEz2_, yup, good luck :)
[12:26] <CHIex> I dont know, I havent bought it yet
[12:26] <CHIex> I would also use it for downloading podcasts, sometimes for more days in a row
[12:26] <knome> CHIex, if you have 512MB or less, you might want to look at other alternatives such as lubuntu or even more lightweight ones
[12:27] <CHIex> no, I will have much more RAM
[12:27] <knome> CHIex, in that case, xubuntu should work well for you
[12:28] <CHIex> the same software and drivers that work on UBUNTU work on XUBUNTU too?
[12:28] <knome> CHIex, yes, since they share the same core
[12:29] <knome> CHIex, you can see if everything works before installing with a live cd
[12:29] <CHIex> what about installing? would it be difficult or would I need to do command line stuff sometimes?
[12:29] <CHIex> what is the same as in Ubuntu and what is not? What is the difference?
[12:29] <knome> CHIex, command line is optional for the vast majority of basic tasks
[12:30] <knome> CHIex, as i said, xubuntu uses xfce while ubuntu uses unity (they look and feel different)
[12:30] <knome> CHIex, xubuntu also has a different set of default applications, though everything that is available in ubuntu is also available in xubuntu (and the other way around, naturally)
[12:31] <dydzEz2_> perfect, checksums are valid
[12:31] <dydzEz2_> im good to go after i backup and update windows
[12:46] <knome> ok, i need to get some fresh air (and take out the garbage)
[12:46] <knome> will be back later
[13:56] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! i attached 2 monitor on my graphics board. now i see same thing on both display. howto set the extend, not cloned mode?
[13:59] <koegs> MoL0ToV: which gpu/graphics card?
[14:00] <MoL0ToV> an ati
[14:00] <MoL0ToV> ATI RV515 [Radeon X1300]
[14:01] <ochosi> MoL0ToV: you can either use xrandr (commandline), install arandr (GUI) or add a PPA to get the new xfce-display dialog that'll enable you to use the socalled "extended desktop mode"
[14:02] <ochosi> or if you use proprietary ATI drivers you'll get the ATI display-dialog, with which you can do that as well
[14:02] <MoL0ToV> no free
[14:03] <dydzEz2_> !usbn
[14:03] <dydzEz2_> !usb
[14:03] <MoL0ToV> Errore di XRandR:
[14:03] <MoL0ToV> XRandR returned error code 1: xrandr: cannot find crtc for output VGA-0
[14:09] <freedomrun> ok I think the time came to admit and say that
[14:09] <freedomrun> help! help!
[14:13] <freedomrun> xfce session random restarting problem ..
[14:14] <dydzEz2_> a question about using lil usb creator, what does setting up a persistence mean
[14:14] <dydzEz2_> what benefits does it have
[14:14] <dydzEz2_> i set the whole drive to persistence
[14:15] <dydzEz2_> does this mean  i can use it as a live cd and also install it onto my internal hard drive
[14:16] <dydzEz2_> oh
[14:16] <dydzEz2_> it just lets me make changes
[14:16] <dydzEz2_> but the install file should still be there
[14:30] <finite9> I installed xfce4 on my Ubuntu 12.10 server to get a basic desktop, but it seems to be a vanilla xfce.  What major components do I need to install to get it roughly similar to what Xubuntu is?
[14:32] <freedomrun> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop -y
[14:34] <freedomrun> finite9, ↓
[14:41] <dydzEz2_> got 221GB on my main OS on my x1 carbon ultrabook, how much shoulld i put up for xubuntu
[14:41] <dydzEz2_> imma just have to two OS
[14:41] <dydzEz2_> i mainly need linux for GNU software for LaTeX
[14:53] <recon_lap> dydzEz2_: depends, But i'd suggest 40gb as a reasonable starter size.
[15:01] <host> hi
[15:04] <host> wiil xubuntu 12.04.02 get xfce 4.10?
[15:04] <host> *will
[15:04] <koegs> host: nope
[15:04] <host> thx
[15:05] <koegs> you can get it via the ppa
[18:51] <xubuntu865> hi, how can i install both libxerces-c-dev and libxerces-c-dev:i386 on a 64-bit machine?
[18:56] <xubuntu865> does anyone know how can i install both libxerces-c-dev and libxerces-c-dev:i386 on a 64-bit machine?
[18:57] <knome> !patience | xubuntu865
[18:57] <holstein> xubuntu865: no need to repost
[18:57] <holstein> xubuntu865: if one of the volunteers can help, they will.. let me link what i used to install 32bit lightscribe in 64bit ubuntu 12.04
[18:58] <holstein> xubuntu865: it looked a lot like this http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-a-32bit-programme-in-64bit-ubuntu/ ,though i seem to remember it being more automated last time i set it up
[20:24] <daswort> my xubuntu 12.10 doesnt show the printer applet. Is that related to the messaging-menu bug?
[20:32] <EmeraldBot> Hello?
[21:13] <holstein> daswort: what are you looking for?
[21:16] <daswort> holstein: `system-config-printer-applet`, i can start it without errors, but i cant see it anywhere
[21:17] <holstein> daswort: whare are you trying to do?
[21:17] <holstein> what*
[21:18] <daswort> i want the little tray icon, when i use the printer
[21:18] <holstein> daswort: sure... for what?
[21:18] <holstein> daswort: to see what printed or not?
[21:18] <holstein> daswort: to cancel printing?
[21:18] <holstein> whats the goal? what is happening and what do you want to happen?
[21:18] <holstein> daswort: have you tried as a differnt user?
[21:19] <daswort> to access system-config-printer-applet easily
[21:19] <daswort> holstein: no, but i will
[21:20] <holstein> daswort: it doesnt start anything for me, but i dont know that i care, or need it
[21:21] <freedomrun> aaa help help
[21:21] <freedomrun> xfce session randomly restarts
[21:21] <freedomrun> can someone help me diagnose this maybe someone had similar situation?!?
[21:22] <holstein> freedomrun: i suggest trying a another user to remove your user config from the equation.. try and see what triggers it.. stop using any compositors you might have added and test... look for upgrades... purge ppa packages
[21:24] <freedomrun> holstein, thnx but I tried almost all .. could it be lightdm related?
[21:25] <freedomrun> also ia32libs problem .. this is 64bit xubuntu
[21:25] <holstein> freedomrun: then, just finish trying, so that you can say i have tried "all"
[21:26] <holstein> freedomrun: if you have pacakge problems, that could be it.. i usually run "sudo apt-get update" and troubleshoot errors
[21:26] <holstein> freedomrun: running as another user can help determine this.. it can let you know if its a system-wide pacakge related issue, or your config
[21:27] <freedomrun> holstein, thnx I`ll try again as another user
[21:35] <freedomrun> holstein, ok it looks like user related isue I did a switch user and there nothing bad happens .. man can`t find this critical one
[21:41] <holstein> freedomrun: i usually just move everything out of /home and test again, and start putting things back i need, til i find the issue, or i find i dont need the things i moved
[21:43] <freedomrun> holstein, thnx man .. I guess I`ll have to move everything (this is work comp) on a backup and restore after clean install ... will spend cca 4-5h, need to be ready in the morning
[21:43] <holstein> freedomrun: i would just move it out, test as that user, and put things back
[21:44] <freedomrun> 250 GB?
[21:44] <freedomrun> or just config files?
[21:44] <holstein> freedomrun: the issue is, if it *is* your config, and you move/backup your /home, it will still be an issue when you restore your /home after a fresh install
[21:44] <holstein> freedomrun: i would do just the .config files.. not the data..
[21:44] <freedomrun> holstein, ok
[21:45] <freedomrun> holstein, I ment to restore only data after fresh install no configs
[21:45] <holstein> freedomrun: cool.. i only wanted to clarify, so you didnt think you necessarily had to fresh install
[21:45] <freedomrun> I remember some thing pulled in half of stupid gnome3 stuff as a deps
[21:46] <freedomrun> I never wanted that in xfce
[21:46] <freedomrun> but I made an error
[21:52] <xubuntu204> .