[12:31] <aquarius> What's the best way, from a script, to test whether I'm running on Ubuntu? For Debian I'd look for /etc/debian_version
[12:32] <mjg59> lsb-version ought to tell you
[12:32] <ogra> actually lsb_release :)
[12:33] <ivoks> lsb_release -c
[12:33] <ogra> i.e. lsb_release -is
[12:33] <ivoks> or that :)
[12:33] <ogra> -c will only show the codename :)
[12:33] <aquarius> cool. When did that first appear in Ubuntu? Right from the beginning?
[12:33] <ogra> yep
[12:34] <aquarius> nice. So if it doesn't exist then I can assume I'm not on Ubuntu at all. Superb; that'll make the Jokosher install script work much more nicely :)
[12:34] <ogra> debian has it as well ... so if you depend on the lsb stuff you can use it there too
[12:35] <ogra> they are multilingual :)
[12:35] <Keybuk> they still have inappropriate Ks in their name
[12:35] <Keybuk> klassroom
[12:35] <_ion> Hehe.
[12:36] <Keybuk> (surprisingly, that isn't one -- but it should be!)
[12:36] <ivoks> koqueror :)
[12:36] <minghua> maybe there spelling education apps ignore inappropriate K's, who knows :-P
[12:36] <_ion> en_US, en_GB, en_KDE
[12:37] <dsas> Does kde when translated in other applications still retain the 'K' thing?
[12:37] <Riddell> dsas: tragically yes
[12:37] <dsas> s/applications/languages
[12:37] <Riddell> dsas: this even goes as far as adding the letter K to Welsh which never previously had it in their alphabet
[12:37] <ogra> Riddell, any plans to change that ?
[12:37] <_ion> riddell: :-D
[12:37] <ogra> upstream i mean ...
[12:37] <Keybuk> Riddell: ch would be the closest match
[12:37] <dsas> :-D, that's funny
[12:37] <minghua> Chinese don't use latin characters, so they show up as whatever is spelled in English
[12:37] <Keybuk> chanchwyr
[12:38] <ogra> konsole is even appropriate in german :)
[12:38] <ivoks> in croatian, we leave it as is, cause adding K to names would be horror
[12:38] <Riddell> ogra: most of the core developers have accepted that new programmes shouldn't have K's in them but a lot of newer developers (who are often the ones that bring in new apps) still think it's cool
[12:38] <ogra> meh
[12:38] <ogra> teach them :)
[12:39] <Keybuk> Riddell: I could REJECT them <g>
[12:39] <ogra> (or Keducate them ;) )
[12:39] <plugwash> what is so bad about the k anyway?
[12:39] <plugwash> it provides a nice branding for kde apps
[12:39] <Burgwork> Riddell: wouldn't that be kool?
[12:39] <aquarius> plugwash: knothing. :)
[12:39] <ogra> heh
[12:39] <ivoks> plugwash: it can't be translated
[12:39] <Burgwork> plugwash: it kauses problems
[12:40] <plugwash> ivoks why the hell are app names being translated in the first place?
[12:40] <Mithrandir> ivoks: so?  Applikation knames karen't ktranslakted.
[12:40] <ivoks> Mithrandir: kbut lit kgoes kbeyond kapplication knames :)
[12:40] <Keybuk> KMithrandir: kallegedly kthey kare
[12:41] <minghua> I think many languages do translate "eye of gnome"
[12:42] <ivoks> ok, it's not allways
[12:42] <ivoks> there's aRts :)
[12:42] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: kthey'kre ktransklakted?
[12:42] <Keybuk> slomo: ping
[12:42] <Keybuk> kping? :p
[12:42] <ivoks> k:)
[12:42] <Keybuk> slomo: and I know you're there, because you ruthlessly filed sync requests while I was processing them
[12:43] <chris_j> set theme fear2
[12:44] <Keybuk> FEAR THE THEME
[12:46] <chris_j> save
[12:46] <chris_j> dodgy keyboard (!)
[12:46] <Mithrandir> you're still allowed to read what you're typing.
[12:47] <Keybuk> kick chris_j
[12:47] <Keybuk> grr, dodgy keyboard
[12:47] <Keybuk> :p
[12:49] <chris_j> i'm sorry i'll try to keep my keyboard related diarrhea to a minimum
[12:50] <Keybuk> good man
[12:53] <Keybuk> for fun?
[12:53] <mnepton> and profit
[12:57] <Keybuk> giskard: ping
[12:57] <imbrandon> Keybuk, did you get my "assignment" ? lol
[12:58] <Keybuk> imbrandon: yes thanks ;)
[01:04] <dholbach> Keybuk: he went to bed
[01:04] <Keybuk> dholbach: shucks to be him
[01:05] <dholbach> Keybuk: hm?
[01:05] <Keybuk> telepathy-sharp => REJECT
[01:05] <Keybuk> autoconf output in diff.gz, bad
[01:05] <Keybuk> Listing ubuntu/feisty (NEW) 0/0
[01:05] <Keybuk> \o/
[01:05] <malcc> WINNAH!
[01:05] <pygi> ^_^
[01:05] <pygi> Keybuk, until soon ^_^
[01:06] <pygi> (or whenever new libburn is out :P)
[01:06] <malcc> Keybuk: 1, Soyuz: )
[01:06] <malcc> 0
[01:06] <Keybuk> malcc: "Let the archive software win"
[01:06] <Keybuk> "keybuks don't lose your archive when they lose"
[01:09] <Keybuk> oh, bah
[01:09] <Keybuk> LA LA LA
[01:09] <ajmitch> sigh, we can't have the NEW queue being empty
[01:09] <LaserJock> can't we just dump REVU into NEW? ;-)
[01:09] <Keybuk> I figure it was kind of a bug that it stuck :p
[01:10] <Burgwork> ajmitch: authtool
[01:10] <Burgwork> fds
[01:10] <Keybuk> shouldn't be able to modify the edgy seeds after edgy has released :p
[01:10] <ajmitch> Burgwork: not FDS
[01:10] <ajmitch> Burgwork: I was just considering authtool though
[01:10] <Burgwork> but that would keep Keybuk busy :)
[01:11] <Burgwork> maybe infinity as well, with all the build breakage
[01:11] <ajmitch> FDS would keep anyone busy
[01:11] <ajmitch> including manufacturers of painkillers
[01:11] <Keybuk> fds?
[01:11] <imbrandon> hrm things are still autosyncing ? gnash dident sync yet
[01:12] <ajmitch> fedora directory server
[01:12] <imbrandon> fedora directory serv.....
[01:12] <imbrandon> wasent sure if it was service or server :)
[01:12] <Keybuk> imbrandon: ?
[01:12] <ogra> ajmitch, authtool++ ... for EAC/S ...
[01:12] <ajmitch> once we get free java stuff in, we can even package up the admin console
[01:12] <Keybuk> imbrandon: no such source in Ubuntu
[01:13] <imbrandon> Keybuk, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gnash
[01:13] <imbrandon> shouldent it autosync even as NEW ?
[01:13] <Keybuk> no
[01:13] <Keybuk> a) there's no such thing as autosync
[01:13] <imbrandon> ahhh ok, shit i've been waiting for that to sync
[01:13] <Keybuk> b) even if there were, we'd consider NEW syncs differently to just updates
[01:13] <imbrandon> ok so i need to file a sync request after build tests etc
[01:13] <imbrandon> ok
[01:13] <Keybuk> no
[01:14] <imbrandon> ?
[01:14] <Keybuk> it just needs me to get that far down the new-in-debian list
[01:14] <Keybuk> I haven't even started on that list yet
[01:14] <imbrandon> ahhhh ok
[01:14] <ogra> :(
[01:14] <ogra> cant you priorize it ?
[01:15] <Keybuk> ogra: no
[01:15] <Keybuk> it requires lots of beer
[01:15] <ogra> :'(
[01:15] <imbrandon> lol @ ogra
[01:15] <Keybuk> pulseaudio seemed to build ok?
[01:15] <ogra> ok, so tomorrow then after i gave you lots of beer :P
[01:15] <ogra> yep
[01:15] <Keybuk> so why does pulse need that?
[01:16] <ogra> i run it locally ... but i have to disable some stuff
[01:16] <ogra> s/have/had/
[01:16] <ogra> avahi integration
[01:16] <ogra> its currently build without ... so its fine
[01:16] <ogra> just do it if you get to it
[01:21] <Keybuk> First, uninstallable packages:
[01:21] <Keybuk>     * ndiswrapper-1.1 1.1.0-1 produces uninstallable binaries:
[01:21] <Keybuk>           o ndiswrapper-utils (powerpc sparc)
[01:21] <Keybuk> --
[01:21] <Keybuk> that's really quite impressive
[01:21] <_ion> Hehe.
[01:21] <Keybuk> oh
[01:21] <Keybuk> edgy
[01:21] <Keybuk> Colin hasn't updated britney yet
[01:23] <imbrandon> heh
[01:23] <imbrandon> dinner , bbiab
[01:41] <ajmitch> mnepton: causing trouble again?
[01:45] <_ion> jovans: Thanks a lot for the contribution to the discussion. I really appreciate it.
[01:45] <ogra> jovans, please turn off public away messages in ubuntu channels
[01:46] <jovans> no prob
[01:46] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:46] <jovans> ;)
[01:47] <jovans> can everybody tell how can i join the artwork team on ubuntu?
[01:48] <jovans> i'd like to working on it
[01:48] <ogra> jooin in launchpad and join the ubuntu-art mailinglist
[01:48] <jovans> hn
[01:48] <jovans> m
[01:50] <jovans> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+login
[01:50] <jovans> right?
[01:54] <bhale> mjg59: your CompizOnFeisty stuff not only works, it absolutely rules
[01:55] <bhale> mjg59: it blows away SLED imo
[01:55] <bhale> mjg59: and the 37-tab beryl window into hell
[01:57] <_ion> I have yet to try a recent compiz (i'm waiting for a working nvidia 9000-series driver, and can't be bothered to run xgl)  can its window decorator be configured to use borderless windows (except for the title bar, of course)? If not, would a patch be accepted to the Ubuntu version?
[01:58] <fabbione> Keybuk: what was the right procedure to request a sync AND override ubuntu changes?
[01:59] <Keybuk> fabbione: changelog and bullet-point list of the ubuntu changes
[01:59] <Keybuk> (which, if you're lucky, the person put in the merge changelog anyway)
[01:59] <_ion> Shadows are enough to distinguish one window from other, and with them fat borders become redundant IMHO.
[01:59] <_ion> (With "patch", i don't mean that a 0px border would or should be the default)
[01:59] <fabbione> Keybuk: do you want it in a bug or just here?
[02:00] <Keybuk> fabbione: bug please
[02:00] <Keybuk> I've closed the window
[02:00] <Keybuk> pitti has a script to do most of it
[02:00] <fabbione> Keybuk: sure
[02:41] <jovans> now i had joind the artwork team
[02:43] <ogra> congrats
[02:44] <pygi> '
[02:44] <pygi> ^_^
[02:44] <jovans> ;)
[02:44] <_ion> vv
[02:44] <pygi> _ion, hey ho ^_^
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hey all
[02:45] <jovans> wiki is also created but tommorow i will finished my wiki site
[02:45] <pygi> hey Hobbsee :)))
[02:45] <jovans> so however i go sleeeepppping in my bed ;)
[02:45] <jovans> good night at all
[02:45] <pygi> jovans, you mean someone still sleeps? :P
[02:45] <_ion> The bed is a good choice.
[02:45] <jovans> hehe
[02:46] <pygi> _ion, almost 3 am here :(
[02:46] <_ion> pygi: almost 4 here.
[02:46] <jovans> ok
[02:46] <pygi> and a lot of work to do which has to be done ASAP
[02:47] <mjg59> bhale: The applet is just the one from Fedora
[02:47] <mjg59> bhale: So they have all the credit for that
[02:48] <mjg59> bhale: And the compiz code is just recent git, so again upstream get all the credit
[02:48] <mjg59> bhale: I'll claim the fringe benefits for the integration, though :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hey you!
[02:49] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: hiya, how are you?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i've got uni exams :(
[02:50] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what kinds of classes?
[02:50] <ajmitch> hello Mithrandir
[02:50] <Mithrandir> hiya Andrew.  Long flight?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: first year maths, elec, phys, and computing
[02:51] <fabbione> iwj: are you going to do lvm2 merge from debian or do you want me to do it?
[02:51] <ajmitch> yeah, plane to christchurch was delayed as well
[02:51] <iwj> fabbione: I'll do it.
[02:51] <fabbione> iwj: ok'
[02:51] <seb128> mjg59: I tried beryl previous week and compiz today and compiz seems much slower on my laptop, do you know if that's expected? is there any setting to change to maybe reduce the effects and make it faster (and didn't activate the wobble effect)
[02:51] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: not that evil, then.
[02:51] <iwj> Hopefully I'll be awake tomorrow.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pygi: you dont have a spray against that!
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: maths? are you kidding?  i hate maths!
[02:52] <mjg59> seb128: "Slower" in what way? The effects take longer to complete, or they're less smooth?
[02:52] <pygi> Hobbsee, I do
[02:52] <Hobbsee> the rest shouldnt be so bad
[02:52] <seb128> mjg59: less smooth
[02:52] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: math is the foundation for a lot of other things, though.
[02:52] <fabbione> iwj: we do have a small delta on clvm compared to debian because we use a different version of the redhat-cluster-suite and the latest one is DepWait on libvirt/linxen to enter main. If you need the latest binaries for building just let me know and i can put them somewhere for you.
[02:52] <fabbione> iwj: or you can grab the redhat-cluster-suite sources from feisty
[02:53] <iwj> Noted.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: true that
[02:54] <mjg59> seb128: I don't have an obvious explanation
[02:54] <mjg59> seb128: I suspect that more performance work has been done on beryl than on compiz right now, but...
[02:54] <seb128> might be
[02:54] <Mithrandir> compiz seems nice enough on my x40, which doesn't have much in the way of opengl power
[02:55] <Lathiat> mjg59: im sure this is probably already reported but i had to install compiz-gnome after desktop-effects before it'd work
[02:55] <seb128> what is the keybinding for the expos like feature?
[02:56] <Mithrandir> ctrl-alt-arrowup
[02:56] <mjg59> Lathiat: I think that's mentioned on the wiki
[02:56] <mjg59> Lathiat: I'm not quite sure what the right thing to do there is. compiz-gnome isn't a hard dependency.
[02:57] <Lathiat> mjg59: well, the desktop-effects panel thign refuses to start without it?
[02:57] <Lathiat> and isnt the desktop relatively useless withotu the window decorator?
[02:57] <mjg59> Lathiat: desktop-effects will start fine without compiz-gnome
[02:58] <mjg59> Lathiat: There's a need for /a/ decorator, and right now compiz-gnome is the only one
[02:58] <mjg59> But it should probably be a virtual package of some sort
[02:58] <Lathiat> mjg59: here it sat there for a bit, then exited say cant find "gtk-window-decorator" and "failed to apply effects"
[02:58] <Lathiat> mjg59: hrm, right
[02:58] <mjg59> Lathiat: Oh, I see what you mean
[03:00] <seb128> mjg59: default effects look nice, that's not too many of them like beryl :)
[03:00] <mjg59> seb128: Yeah, that was the aim
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ogra: cubes are overated
[03:01] <ogra> i know, but everybody here has them
[03:01] <ogra> i feel so left out
[03:09] <pygi> ogra, not everybody have them
[03:09] <pygi> some dont wanna use them :P
[03:09] <pygi> StevenK, be shhh!
[03:09] <seb128> k
[03:10] <seb128> I'll use compiz when we get those libwnck patches applied
[03:10] <mjg59> Are they not upstream yet?
[03:10] <mjg59> Tch.
[03:10] <seb128> mjg59: should I have a look at those or are you working on it?
[03:10] <seb128> I know where the patches are
[03:10] <seb128> and I already had a look
[03:10] <seb128> no, upstreams want things done cleanly
[03:11] <mjg59> Feel free to go ahead
[03:11] <seb128> the patches use some things which are not in the spec
[03:11] <mjg59> Yeah
[03:11] <pitti> mjg59: rodarvus seems to have disappeared...
[03:11] <seb128> and elijah would like to get the additions done to the spec first
[03:11] <mjg59> pitti: No problem - I caught him earlier
[03:11] <mjg59> pitti: Sorry for not letting you know!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hey pitti
[03:13] <mjg59> seb128: In any case, we're going to have to do something about compiz's desire to provide workspaces and viewports
[03:13] <seb128> right
[03:13] <seb128> I think I'll just apply the libwnck patches
[03:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: having fun?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: kinda.  i dont like exams :(
[03:14] <mjg59> seb128: Because right now you'll get both of the offered, which is a recipe for confusion
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ok, you can fix up samba compilation for me then :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nope...i'm almost off
[03:15] <pygi> Hobbsee, exams again? :P
[03:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh well, good luck :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> pygi: uh...
[03:15] <StevenK> s/again/still/ I bet
[03:15] <pygi> I wrote one today, first one that went good I'd say :P
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: thanks
[03:17] <seb128> hum
[03:17] <seb128> g-t has refresh issues when using compiz
[03:17] <seb128> when maximized the bottom line is not displayed correctly
[03:19] <StevenK> Ah ha.
[03:20] <pygi> seb128, am I allowed to enable libburn in brasero in feisty cycle? :)
[03:20] <seb128> pygi: I'm not maintaining brasero, maybe ask slomo, probably yeah ;)
[03:20] <StevenK> mpt: Rev 9 of about-ubuntu is up, if you want to let me know what you think.
[03:21] <pygi> seb128, I'll take over that maintainership. The package is very bad IHMO :P
[03:21] <jdub> hey seb128
[03:21] <pygi> hey jdub
[03:21] <jdub> good morning * :-)
[03:21] <pygi> jdub, right, morning in 3:31 AM :P
[03:25] <ajmitch> hey jdub
[03:25] <ajmitch> pygi: weren't you wanting to have it enabled in brasero right before edgy release?
[03:26] <pygi> ajmitch, yes, but we agreed not to do it
[03:26] <pygi> ajmitch, because it'd 'cause too much bug reports in such a short time
[03:26] <pygi> but since I'm essentially recreating Brasero package right now, I can as well enable libburn as well
[03:26] <ajmitch> ie, the work I put in to try & update & clean the package
[03:26] <pygi> ajmitch, yes, that ^_^
[03:27] <pygi> but you did a very nice job with libburn, it even works now :P
[03:27] <pygi> unlike first two initial uploads
[03:27] <pygi> (not your fault tho)
[03:28] <ajmitch> going to push it for main for feisty?
[03:28] <pygi> ajmitch, the libburn? most probably, yes
[03:29] <pygi> we'll see how the development of it goes :)
[03:29] <imbrandon> pitti, !!
[03:29] <imbrandon> lol
[03:29] <ajmitch> heh
[03:29] <ajmitch> pitti: how's SF?
[03:29] <pitti> I wasn't it!!
[03:30] <imbrandon> :)
[03:30] <imbrandon> hows all hands ?
[03:30] <pitti> ajmitch: pretty rad!
[03:30] <pitti> thanks to Spads we had a great walk around the city, and today I bought Alcatraz tickets
[03:30] <pitti> (for visiting the cells from the *outside*, of course) :)
[03:31] <imbrandon> lol
[03:31] <pitti> imbrandon: many hands here indeed, and nice to get to know my colleagues
[03:32] <imbrandon> are either you or keescook doing any MIR this week, or should i poke yall next week ?
[03:32] <pitti> I did some today
[03:32] <pitti> imbrandon: just put it in the queue
[03:32] <imbrandon> ahh nice /me looks if libmtp got some love
[03:32] <imbrandon> ok
[03:33] <pitti> no, it didn't
[03:33] <keescook> imbrandon: I just learned how to do MIRs today.  :)
[03:33] <imbrandon> okies :)
[03:33] <seb128> hey hey hey jdub
[03:33] <pitti> imbrandon: libmtp? that got approved ages ago
[03:33] <StevenK> pitti: I wonder if anyone is conspiring to lock you in. :-P
[03:33] <imbrandon> keescook, :)
[03:33] <ajmitch> pitti: libvirt approved, but xen-3.0 isn't reviewed? how does that work?
[03:33] <pitti> ajmitch: ENOTIME
[03:33] <pitti> going bottom-up
[03:34] <ajmitch> heh ok
[03:34] <ajmitch> it just depends on libxen3.0 though :)
[03:34] <pitti> yeah, yeah, tomorrow
[03:34] <ajmitch> no problem
[03:34] <pitti> I really wanted to do the ffox/tbird security updates today
[03:34] <ajmitch> I'm not the one needing it in main ASAP
[03:34] <StevenK> There's a firefox security update?
[03:34] <imbrandon> keescook, welcome to MIR hell :)
[03:34] <ajmitch> since I just need it for virt-manager, which won't go into main yet
[03:34] <StevenK> Oh, gasp.
[03:34] <pygi> ajmitch, my bet on libburn in main is until we have something that uses it
[03:35] <pitti> StevenK: <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:35] <pygi> ajmitch, for exameple if we get burning over LTSP bits done
[03:35] <pygi> example*
[03:35] <Lathiat> MIR?
[03:35] <imbrandon> main inclusion reports
[03:37] <ajmitch> painful package, that one
[03:37] <fernando> I was building the libvirt package =(
[03:38] <imbrandon> ahh pitti , my mistake looks like you approved libmtp ( i just dident get to it in time for edgy )
[03:38] <imbrandon> thanks
[03:38] <imbrandon> :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> fernando: sorry, I'd had it mostly ready for awhile, and it was needed for something else
[03:44] <fernando> ajmitch: what do you need?
[03:45] <seb128> hey pitti
[03:46] <ajmitch> fernando: sorry?
[03:46] <seb128> ping carlos
[03:50] <fernando> somebody is building the virt-manager package?
[03:50] <ajmitch> fernando: yes, I said I am
[03:50] <ajmitch> hey zul
[03:50] <fernando> hehehe
[03:50] <ajmitch> zul: you recovered the power supply?
[03:50] <zul> muhahaha its alive
[03:51] <ajmitch> zul: cool, if you build me a kernel I can test, I'll try & break my box tonight
[03:52] <ajmitch> or tomorrow
[03:52] <zul> ok
[03:52] <ajmitch> whichever works :)
[03:52] <zul> or the next day
[03:52] <ajmitch> I'll have to restart stuff because of the wonders of dbus
[04:00] <pitti> keescook: yeah!
[04:00] <keescook> pitti: heheh
[04:01] <keescook> ping: pitti
[04:02] <ajmitch> hey keescook
[04:02] <keescook> hiya ajmitch
[04:02] <keescook> we're having fun solving pitti's tab completion.  :)
[10:21] <rcarr> Any thoughts on a versioning backup system for feisty? i.e. you have it watch folders with inotify and when a file is modified it makes a hidden backup with a timestamp in the filename
[10:21] <rcarr> and then a GUI for people to regress files to earlier versions
[10:21] <rcarr> I have a basic working implementation in python, and was thinking of submitting a spec, but wanted to see if there was any interest
[10:22] <ivoks> rcarr: contact https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backup
[10:23] <rcarr> Ah, thank you
[11:49] <jovans> hi@all
[11:52] <jovans> can everybody tell why in edgy are not more k7 kernels?
[11:52] <jovans> only generic
[11:52] <hunger> When will the linux-image-generic get updated to the new feisty kernels?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> jovans: there's been a discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, please look that up
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hunger: presumably when l-r-m is done
[11:54] <jovans> because i had used alwas this kernel i have an amd
[11:54] <hunger> Hobbsee: Great!
[11:54] <Hobbsee> jovans: it was found that there were almost no performance differences
[11:55] <jovans> yes u are wright
[11:58] <jovans> one more question. why cannot see a detailed startup when i boot my machine? I only see die ubuntu logo
[12:22] <geser> I'm looking on the feisty release schedule. Is there a date set when universe freezes?
[12:22] <bhale> geser: not any time soon
[12:27] <bhale> geser: it will be some time between UpstreamVersionFreeze and Beta Freeze most likely
[01:20] <Adri2000> I don't understand why in edgy the pppoeconf version has been incremented to ubuntu1 with just "Resynchronise with Debian." in the changelog. If it's a sync, there is no ubuntu change?
[01:21] <StevenK> But it's not a sync. There is likely a changelog entry further down that details what changes have been made in Ubuntu.
[01:24] <Adri2000> StevenK: ok, but the remaining ubuntu changes are not mentioned, shouldn't they be?
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: Until about half way through Edgy, they didn't have to be.
[01:26] <Adri2000> ok
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: it's only recently that that's being forced.  and people can miss changes, etc, so it's better to check
[01:34] <Adri2000> and now what's the exact policy about the changelog when merging with debian?
[01:36] <geser> Adri2000: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000182.html
[01:40] <Adri2000> grab-merge.sh writes in the changelog "Merge from debian unstable", that or "Merged with Debian." I think it doesn't matter? we just have to describe the ubuntu changes. And the scripts signs the changelog with "Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic", I should change that also?
[01:41] <Adri2000> script*
[01:44] <geser> yes, you should put your name in the changelog
[01:44] <geser> I use dch -e to edit the changelog after a merge. It puts your name below it automagically.
[01:45] <Adri2000> ok
[01:49] <zul> hey
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey zul
[01:53] <sivang> hi all
[02:14] <Adri2000> tfheen: here? why did you remove the dependency on modconf from pppoeconf?
[03:07] <jovans> i want to know if the kernel-generic ist the right kernel i have installed on my machine. Is the gernel-generic for both architektures?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:07] <jovans> hm
[03:07] <jovans> ok
[03:07] <jovans> i have upgraded to fiesty
[03:07] <jovans> feisty
[03:07] <jovans> sorry
[03:08] <jovans> what if me wonder is that my machine boot faster because privior i had edgy installed
[03:40] <user_> using kickstart on the Alternate install CD fails when detecting keyboard, I tried several keyboards but they all fail!
[03:40] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:42] <Adri2000> hi bddebian
[03:42] <bddebian> Hello Adri2000
[03:46] <Adri2000> tfheen: ping me when you are here please, there are two ubuntu changes in pppoeconf that are not clear to me
[04:02] <user_> helllo
[04:02] <user_> using ubuntu LTS, kickstart, however it fails with detection keyboard. Is this know? I can't find anything on bts about this.
[04:03] <sbalneav> user_: Probably the #ubuntu channel could help you with this.
[04:08] <user_> sbalneav, i can't get in
[05:53] <fiddy> regarding the plan for making Bertyl/Compiz the default window manager on system with 3d support. I don't really see how this is practical
[05:57] <ivoks> i don't see how someone could said that ubuntu doesn't enable composite by default :)
[06:20] <sharms> anyone here with large scale php engineering experience that can point me to a resource on standards for creating seperate php files in a project?  As in I need to hire someone for php work, but I dont want them writing one big ass file of flat code, looking for acceptable large project standards
[06:20] <MidMark> pitti: have you received my email about hal?
[06:21] <MidMark> if you have time I can provide an ssh login to check out the problem with dvd mounting
[06:34] <MidMark> pitti please contact me just to talk 1 minute
[06:37] <MidMark> someone else experiencing this bug? Help?
[06:37] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/14692
[06:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14692 in hal "hal detects written DVD as empty" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:46] <imbrandon> Keybuk, ping
[06:48] <imbrandon> Keybuk, can you manualy promote libmtp to main ( MIR approved by pitti ) i'm going to upload an amarok that builds against it as soon as you do
[06:52] <sivang> hey imbrandon dude ;)
[06:53] <pygi> sivang, hello
[06:53] <sivang> pygi: hi Mario
[06:53] <sivang> pygi: what's up?
[06:53] <pygi> sivang, nothing much, just gave debdiff for Brasero to Mez
[06:53] <pygi> the package was completely broken :)
[06:54] <pygi> thanks to the almighty debian maintainer who cares so much for it :P
[06:54] <sivang> pygi: right , goot to have him around then
[06:54] <pygi> sivang, I'm talking sarcasm :P
[06:55] <pygi> The Debian maintainer had everything screwed up
[06:55] <sivang> pygi: I was referring to Mez ! :-)
[06:55] <pygi> sivang, oh, that :P
[06:56] <sivang> infinity: do you happen to have an ETA for when the prop. drivers for ati should hit feisty ?
[06:57] <Mez> infinity, ping /
[06:57] <sivang> pygi: backup config meta data class is now finished btw, I'm now working on integrating everything into the Backup object.
[06:57] <imbrandon> sivang, heya
[06:57] <pygi> sivang, very nice
[07:41] <pitti> imbrandon: upload it now, then it will be promoted; not the other way round
[07:41] <pitti> MidMark: in a meeting; just /msg me, I'll answer later
[07:42] <imbrandon> pitti, ahh ok, last time ( with libnjb ) it was the other way arround, okies, uploading now
[07:42] <pitti> MidMark: if you are 'Cimmo', I got it
[07:42] <pitti> MidMark: but no time here at the conf
[07:43] <MidMark> pitti: I'm Cimmo yes, then contact me when you are free or give me a date...
[07:43] <MidMark> just to let you debug the problem
[07:50] <Mez> pitti: ssh update in the works ?
[08:12] <jdong> infinity: ping (about -backports building against -updates)... is it done yet / can it be done
[08:13] <jdong> infinity: bah, I gotta run... direct any responses to imbrandon :)
[08:16] <imbrandon> sivang, there isnt , its where they are connecting from ( we all had them at UDS )
[08:17] <imbrandon> notice it says @confrence/canonical/........
[08:24] <pitti> MidMark: end of next week, when I'm back home, does that work for you?
[08:24] <pitti> Mez: no?
[08:25] <MidMark> pitti ok none a problem, but can I ask somethings very fast?
[08:25] <MidMark> do you think it's a hal problem?
[08:28] <pitti> MidMark: either a hal or a kernel bug, I'm not sure before debugging this
[08:45] <MidMark> pitti ok contact me next week or I have to ping you?
[08:46] <pitti> MidMark: I'll answer to your mail next week; what's a convenient day time span for you?
[08:47] <sivang> pitti: till when the allhands is going?
[08:47] <pitti> sivang: end of this week
[08:47] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ;) hello!
[08:47] <jdub> pitti: try to avoid fire while enjoying yourself to the max. :-)
[08:47] <sivang> pitti: okay
[08:47] <MidMark> pitti: I live in gmt+1 time  and you?
[08:48] <sivang> jdub: which kinds of fire has he to avoid? :p
[08:48] <imbrandon> jdub, !!!
[08:48] <pitti> MidMark: exactly the same (Germany)
[08:48] <Keybuk> sivang: the hot kind
[08:48] <pitti> jdub: too late, two days ago we broke a piece of burning wood with our hand :)
[08:49] <MidMark> pitti: ok for me best time is around 12 to 14 o'clock, better not in the WE
[08:49] <jdub> pitti: i just wet myself reading jamesh's blog
[08:49] <jdub> thought i'd offer a warning ;-)
[08:50] <sivang> jdub: oh my god
[08:51] <pygi> sivang, what's with his blog
[08:51] <pitti> MidMark: that's good
[08:51] <sivang> pygi: see what Keybuk and jdub said
[08:54] <sivang> mnepton: Hey Kurt, shame I couldn't come to UDS as we could have met according to your cloak ;)
[08:54] <MidMark> pitti: ok great, thanx a lot, I'm a little bored to not read dvd that I have burned :(
[08:54] <pitti> MidMark: in the meantime, try to insert an audio CD and then the DVD
[08:54] <pygi> MidMark, that's what you get when you use cdrecord :P
[08:55] <MidMark> pitti: I can try, for now the only way is to boot with the dvd inside or add a second session
[08:55] <MidMark> pygi: I use k3b
[08:55] <pygi> MidMark, that uses cdrecord as backend^_^
[08:55] <MidMark> pygi: also dvd-rw-tools
[08:56] <pygi> MidMark, indeed =P
[08:56] <mnepton> sivang: aye, i was at UDS. but that's over, and i'm now in SF.
[08:56] <pygi> ergh, why everybody continues to mention UDS? :P
[08:57] <pygi> stop that, you're making me sad :P
[08:57] <MidMark> in my opinion it's a bad reading of sessions, don't know if is it hal or kernel or udev or who?
[08:58] <sivang> mnepton: are you also catching fire like jamesh is? (http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/11/15/0)
[08:58] <pygi> MidMark, where do you experience bad reading of sessions?
[08:59] <MidMark> in all dvd with one session and disk not closed
[08:59] <MidMark> cd all ok, dvd with two or more sessions, ok, dvd closed ok
[08:59] <pygi> MidMark, I'd still loosely tight it to cdrecord issues
[08:59] <mnepton> sivang: "flame on!" is my middle name
[09:00] <pygi> dvd+rw issues that is, since it's dvd
[09:00] <MidMark> pygi: no dvd+-r and rw all kinds od dvds
[09:00] <pygi> MidMark, I meant dvd+rw tools, not media :)
[09:00] <sivang> mnepton: do you have any specs you're working on or were you just to have support team discussions and meetings?
[09:01] <jamesh> sivang: I think there were only two people who caught fire
[09:01] <sivang> jamesh: heh, who were they?
[09:01] <jamesh> the rest were fine
[09:01] <jamesh> I think it was me and mdy
[09:01] <mnepton> sivang: yeah, i'm in charge of porting ActiveX and Windows Genuine Advantage to Ubuntu
[09:01] <sivang> send him my regards :)
[09:02] <sivang> mnepton: HA-HA-HA
[09:02] <MidMark> pygi: mmm the worst thing is with Dapper I had no problem :(
[09:02] <sivang> jamesh: to mdy, that is.
[09:02] <mnepton> mpt: i have a couple different clients. this one is for public channels where i don't care about logging.
[09:03] <pygi> MidMark, dunno really, I could test, but I'm doing all my burning throught libburn
[09:03] <sivang> mnepton: have you happend to hear from Irina/Boris btw? since I asked her to investigate the 22nd hour failure in the 24hr and contacted her again to see what'sup I havne't got a response.
[09:04] <mnepton> sivang: have not heard anything, but i will let you know if i do.
[09:04] <sivang> mnepton: I'm contemplating sendin another reminder email, although last time she noted she require more time. A dilemma
[09:04] <MidMark> pygi: thanx for your interest, hope that pitti will understand the problem
[09:17] <fabbione> madduck: ping?
[09:23] <mnepton> MANAH MANAH!
[09:25] <fdoving> mdz: ping? can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/69583 ? kopete icq connection fix (upstream changed the previous fix, new debdiff in comment 13).
[09:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69583 in kopete "SRU: kopete can't connect to ICQ. " [Low,Fix committed]
[09:26] <ogra> fdoving, i think someone from the KDE team would be a better ping target :)
[09:27] <fdoving> ogra: they can't approve SRUs.
[09:27] <fdoving> it's for edgy.
[09:27] <madduck> fabbione: yessir
[09:28] <madduck> fabbione: (did my contentless ping script not do anything?)
[09:28] <fabbione> madduck: hey dude...
[09:28] <madduck> hi
[09:28] <fabbione> madduck: not that i could see.. no
[09:28] <fabbione> madduck: so i am merging mdadm right now
[09:28] <Riddell> fdoving, (mdz): I'll look at that
[09:28] <madduck> tfheen: it's very sporadic...
[09:28] <madduck> fabbione: ok... have fun. :)
[09:29] <madduck> tfheen: (contentless-ping i mean)
[09:29] <fabbione> madduck: i am going to do an upload with a consistent delta, and if that's ok with you, next week we can hammer the delta down
[09:29] <Riddell> fdoving: I've not been in a major rush with it since if they changed their protocol twice in a week don't want to upload if they're doing the same again, but I'll look at it now
[09:29] <fabbione> madduck: yes. i have done already. it's not difficult
[09:29] <madduck> fabbione: next week i'll be in singapore
[09:29] <fabbione> madduck: ok.. 2 weeks?
[09:29] <madduck> fabbione: i am on vac until 12/12
[09:29] <madduck> 3
[09:29] <fabbione> oh
[09:29] <fabbione> sure
[09:29] <fabbione> that's fine for me
[09:29] <fabbione> there are changes in your scripts i am not sure i grok 100% and i would like to go trough them
[09:29] <madduck> fabbione: sure thing.
[09:30] <madduck> however, i also plan to rewrite much of it post-etch.
[09:30] <fabbione> madduck: so that i can reduce the delta and we can look at what we can push into your package
[09:30] <madduck> but i suppose we must do it twice then. :)
[09:30] <fabbione> madduck: that's ok with me
[09:30] <fdoving> Riddell: ok, it was already approved for -proposed, by mdz. But 2h after he approved the debdiff, upstream improved the fix, so this is the new (and hopefully final) fix.
[09:30] <madduck> or keep the delta until after the rewrite, then merge again and reduce?
[09:30] <fabbione> yeah well the more we can get into your tree, the less i will need to sync later
[09:30] <fabbione> sure
[09:30] <madduck> true
[09:30] <fabbione> either paths will work
[09:31] <madduck> fabbione: which version are you syncing?
[09:31] <madduck> 2.5.6-5 is current
[09:31] <madduck> uploaded today
[09:31] <fabbione> hmmm
[09:31] <fabbione> 2.5.5-1
[09:31] <fabbione> ok.. i can just resync tomorrow
[09:32] <madduck> that went into etch today
[09:32] <madduck> changes are minor.
[09:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: did MoM run properly against sid?
[09:32] <madduck> fabbione: i uploaded it *today*
[09:32] <fabbione> madduck: did you upload 2.5.6-1 before that?
[09:32] <madduck> itn's not even in sid yet.
[09:32] <madduck> nope.
[09:32] <fabbione> meh
[09:32] <fabbione> ok
[09:32] <madduck> 2.5.5-1->2.5.6-5
[09:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: nevermind
[09:32] <fabbione> madduck: ok, than MoM will pick it up tomorrow
[09:32] <fabbione> no big deal
[09:33] <madduck> y9u could just work from svn...
[09:33] <fabbione> madduck: i don't have enough resources to track all my upstream at that level
[09:33] <fabbione> madduck: i need to rely on some tools like MoM'
[09:33] <madduck> i would have thought hct...
[09:33] <madduck> oh well.
[09:33] <madduck> whatever MoM is.
[09:34] <fabbione> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[09:34] <fabbione> s/main.html//g
[09:34] <madduck> i am also too busy with etch to read that. :)
[09:35] <fabbione> madduck: yeah it's just a tool that tracks ubuntu <-> debian package deltas and help merging stuff
[09:35] <fabbione> madduck: nothing too fancy
[09:36] <fabbione> but you might notice that my name is on a few tons of packages :) just too many to track them all manually
[09:36] <madduck> i am not arguing.
[09:36] <madduck> but you're also the openssh person, right?
[09:36] <madduck> i mean the one for debian with kamion, no?
[09:36] <madduck> or do you not do openssh?
[09:37] <fabbione> hmm no
[09:37] <fabbione> i am not into openssh
[09:37] <madduck> ok, never mind then.
[09:37] <madduck> fabbione: if you have qs, send mail. i can read for the next weeks. better than IRC.
[09:37] <madduck> and one q per mail, okay? :)
[09:38] <madduck> think internet cafe and having to leave quickly
[09:38] <fabbione> madduck: sure.. i am in no hurry
[09:38] <mnepton> madduck: you could always choose the path of most resistance and talk to Theo directly. but i only sugest that if you're suicidal or working on an advanced degree in anthropology.
[09:39] <madduck> mnepton: no. thanks.
[09:39] <madduck> i am just curious about an aspect.
[09:39] <madduck> i am writing logcheck rules
[09:39] <madduck> and i see entries like this
[09:39] <madduck> sshd[22039] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=mta3.kpost.com
[09:39] <madduck> if i log in and punch the wrong password, i get
[09:39] <madduck> sshd[16974] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=wall.oerlikon.madduck.net  user=madduck
[09:39] <madduck> so something is speaking to sshd and not giving a user name.
[09:39] <madduck> sounds like the admin doesn't have to care about when that happens as there's no danger, huh?
[09:43] <mdz> fdoving: I'm in back-to-back meetings this entire week, will look at it as soon as I can
[09:43] <mdz> fdoving: try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as my backup
[09:45] <fdoving> mdz: I will, thanks. Enjoy the meetings :)
[10:02] <zntneo> I know this isn't a support channel but i'm having problems with the apt version of acx-110 driver
[10:14] <unfo> hi all, has ubuntu ever tried to buy out the www.ubuntu.org domain?
[10:14] <unfo> people assume that since Ubuntu Linux is open source that it will be at www.ubuntu.org.
[10:15] <unfo> who knows, perhaps they'll even be willing to donate the domain name away like the owner of www.firefox.com did for Firefox.
[10:17] <LaserJock> I would guess that that has been thought of before
[10:19] <unfo> LaserJock: i tried searching on google and google groups and found nothing.
[10:20] <unfo> Although I'm sure it's been thought of, I wonder if anyone's ever tried to get the domain.
[10:22] <Burgwork> I would widely assume yes, but that is really between canonical and whomever currently owns .org
[10:30] <unfo> Burgwork: does ubuntu have a project affairs mailing list just like debian's debian-project list?
[10:30] <Burgwork> unfo: not really
[10:31] <unfo> :(
[10:31] <bhale> unfo: what is your question?
[10:31] <bhale> there is certainly places to pose a question of the right people.
[10:31] <unfo> bhale: see 8 lines above :)
[10:32] <bhale> meh.
[10:35] <unfo> bhale: i think getting the www.ubuntu.org domain would be a valuable service to newbies.
[10:35] <bhale> people have been getting there for 2 years now without any trouble
[10:35] <unfo> Or at least getting a big ad banner at the top "Ubuntu Linux - the safer alternative." or something
[10:35] <bhale> and if you are really a newbie you think everyything ends in ".com"
[10:35] <unfo> bhale: good point about .com. hmmm.
[10:36] <bhale> you could discuss it on ubuntu-sounder list
[10:36] <bhale> im sure someone would shell out $20 for the domain if it made someone feel better
[10:37] <unfo> bhale: the domain is taken.
[10:37] <minghua> I think it's sounder@ list instead of ubuntu-sounder@?
[10:37] <unfo> bhale: thank you.  I found that the topic has already been brought up:   http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/jar/jar.html
[10:37] <unfo> oops
[10:37] <unfo>  http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/jar/jar.html
[10:38] <bhale> still missed it
[10:38] <unfo> argh! I wish I could middle-click paste from Ctrl-C clipboard into irssi.
[10:38] <unfo> it's http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060321.132326.e393d80b.en.html
[10:43] <bhale> I agree with Paul, with a slighly worse case of apathy
[10:55] <LaserJock> bhale? apathetic? never ;-)
[11:16] <fabbione> dholbach: ping?
[11:16] <fabbione> ECHAN


[00:29] <Lisac196> hi
[00:29] <Lisac196> i need some help
[00:29] <Lisac196> anybody speak croatian or i must type in english?
[00:35] <Lisac196> I have instaled edubuntu with wubi
[00:35] <Lisac196> i had some problems, but i completed instalation
[00:35] <Lisac196> i didn't install ubuntu before edubuntu
[00:36] <Lisac196> now, when i go to edubuntu it says that can't mount /tmp, some like that


[01:08] <maxb> james_w: Hi. If you're around, I'm staring at the complex comparison logic that the UDD importer uses to decide which order to do imports in, and am wondering why it is the way it is
[01:09] <maxb> I think I can blame the insane branching structure that results when unblocking a long-broken UDD import on this ordering
[01:24] <RenatoSilva> how to diff two branches? I remember using a command for checking if local copy was up-to-date with LP
[01:24] <RenatoSilva> is bzr pull enough?
[01:25] <spiv> RenatoSilva: perhaps you are looking for "bzr missing"?
[01:26] <RenatoSilva> spiv: that's it, thanks!
[02:04] <AfC> spiv saves the day
[03:53] <wallyworld> spiv: can you answer a question about branch revisions?
[03:53] <wallyworld> can you tell me, given a BranchRevision, the correct way to figure out if the revision was from merging in another branch and what that other branch is? Do you look for some attribute of any revision parents? i'm currently looking at the first parent and use getBranch() on that. is that the right thing to do?
[03:59] <spiv> wallyworld: Hmm
[04:00] <spiv> wallyworld: I'm not especially familiar with Launchpad's BranchRevision...
[04:00] <spiv> wallyworld: all bzr records is the DAG of revisions
[04:00] <wallyworld> the BranchRevision joins the branch to its Revisions
[04:01] <wallyworld> in bzr terms, what would you do?
[04:01] <spiv> There's no way in general to go from a revision to a branch that created it.  For example imagine there are two identical copies of a branch pushed to different locations on Launchpad.
[04:02] <spiv> If the tip revision is merged into another branch, which copy would you want to attribute as the merge-from branch?
[04:02] <wallyworld> hmmm. i see what you mean
[04:02] <wallyworld> i'm working on this bug 334336
[04:02] <spiv> In many cases in Launchpad I could imagine that there *might* be one most likely branch.
[04:03] <wallyworld> to answer your question, perhaps the original branch of the tip, not the one merged into
[04:03] <spiv> Which branch is the "original", though?
[04:03] <wallyworld> on seconds thoughts, maybe not :-/
[04:04] <wallyworld> is the bug reasonable then? or should we mark it as invalid?
[04:04] <spiv> I think it is reasonable in intent, but a bit vague.
[04:05] <wallyworld> yeah. i've got something working based on what i explained above. i'll run it by thumper next week and see what he says
[04:05] <spiv> Launchpad does know more facts than just the DAG, like perhaps that merge proposal existed for a branch with that revid
[04:05] <wallyworld> thanks for the input
[04:06] <spiv> I would say that *if* there is one branch on Launchpad whose tip is the revision you are interested in, then you have a pretty good answer.
[04:06] <spiv> And that will probably cover quite a few cases.
[04:07] <spiv> Otherwise maybe something like "the first time Launchpad encounters a revision as a mainline revision, Launchpad should take note of that branch and treat it as the 'original' branch for these purposes"
[04:08] <spiv> There are going to be lots of edge cases no matter what you do, I think.
[04:08] <spiv> (e.g. what if someone does "bzr push --overwrite" or "bzr uncommit" to partially rewind a branch?)
[04:09] <spiv> wallyworld: if you'd like a concrete use-case to guide your work
[04:10] <spiv> wallyworld: what I'd love to have is say I'm looking at the webpage for lp:bzr
[04:10] <spiv> wallyworld: I'd like the list of recent revisions there to link to the branches and even merge proposals corresponding to those revisions
[04:11] <spiv> wallyworld: (in bzr's case, almost all our mainline revisions on lp:bzr and our release branches do have corresponding merge proposals)
[04:12] <wallyworld> spiv: here's my prototype so far : http://people.canonical.com/~ianb/br.png
[04:12] <spiv> wallyworld: that would be nice because it gives me a single page that not only shows the recent changes to the branch, but also provides links to the discussions (in merge proposals, and bugs linked to branches) about those changes
[04:13] <spiv> wallyworld: yes, that sort of thing :)
[04:13] <wallyworld> does that look suitable? i could add in the mp too
[04:13] <wallyworld> so it's just figuring out how to get that "Merged From" branch
[04:13] <spiv> The MP might be good.
[04:14] <spiv> Although it's not too hard to navigate from a branch to a merge proposal, IIRC.
[04:14] <wallyworld> the mp is easy :-)
[04:14] <james_w> maxb, you mean comparing distros, releases, versions etc?
[07:53] <vila> hi all !
[12:15] <mthaddon> vila: do you know who filed RT#42981 (Some committers lack access to some bzr pqm branches)?
[12:33] <vila> mthaddon: yes, me
[12:34] <vila> anything wrong with it ?
[12:34] <mthaddon> vila: np - just couldn't work out who it was from - have replied
[12:37] <vila> mthaddon: oh yeah, indeed sounds sensible...thanks for posting the definitions, we could discuss it further but we will probably keep it this way
[12:37] <mthaddon> ok
[16:58] <dnivra> hello. i am trying to make bzr display a message but I can't display an email address-i get the following error http://paste.ubuntu.com/544937/. how can i fix it?
[17:19] <ovnicraft> hi guys i want to create a branch at revno explicit can pass some like bzr branch lp:proyect -r myrevno ?
[17:23] <vila> yes
[17:24] <vila> see 'bzr help branch' and bzr help revisionspec'
[17:25] <vila> see 'bzr help branch' and 'bzr help revisionspec'
[17:39] <ovnicraft> vila, yes but can help with an example
[17:39] <ovnicraft> ?
[17:39] <ovnicraft> i am trying bzr branch lp:proyect revno:num but create a folder with revno:num
[17:40] <vila> bzr branch -r 42 lp:bzr my-local-branch-at-revno-42
[23:38] <mkanat> So, I just filed bug 691756. Any ideas for a fix or workaround?


[16:31] <pleia2> so, nominations phase ended a half hour ago, can someone volunteer to send out the "nominations phase has ended, leave testimonials for the 4 candidate candidates now" email?
[16:32] <maco> aye
[16:32] <pleia2> ty maco :)
[16:32]  * pleia2 needs to drink more coffee and stop repeating words
[16:35] <maco> doned
[16:37] <pleia2> \o/


[01:19] <ejay> Hello guys. I want to hide menu bar in certain applications (e.g. konsole). There is an option to hide menu bar but when reloaded menu is visible again. Can I somehow force manu bar to be hidden?
[01:19] <ejay> But realoaded I meant closing and opening again.
[01:22] <ejay> Buy*
[01:22] <ejay> By*... I'm prolly too tired to communicate with people.
[01:28] <krytarik> ejay: What version of Kubuntu/Konsole?
[01:40] <Fizzwidget> Salut !
[08:00] <ngaio> I'm getting the standard Qt file open dialog in kate, kwrite etc. How do I get the KDE version?
[08:31] <Smurphy> Morning
[11:45] <prillian5> I have upgrade to 15.04. If I enter "dolphin" in bash, it opens dolphin in Admin-Mode.
[11:46] <prillian5> how can I change it to open dolphin in user-mode?
[11:46] <prillian5> and ... how can I remove old kde4 components? They are still exist
[11:48] <lordievader> Do you run bash as root?
[11:55] <prillian5> no
[11:59] <lordievader> Hmm, then it is very strange that it would run in admin-mode. That would be a serious rights-exploit.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:17] <dracor_xxx> Hi all. Kubuntu currently offers me kernel-upgrades, but muon warns that they are unsigned. Does kubuntu deliver the packages unsigned or do I have a problem?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> dracor_xxx, which kubuntu ? and are you using ppas in your sources.list?
[12:26] <dracor_xxx> BluesKaj kubuntu 15.10. Only PPA I am aware of having added is for Plasma Media Center. Can't look it up right now, Kubuntu PC is at home, I am not
[12:30] <BluesKaj> dracor_xxx, well that ppa probly affects the kernel module required upgrades for the media center and install dkms if not already ionstalled
[12:31] <dracor_xxx> BluesKaj Thank you, will do. Bye all
[13:27] <ngaio> On 15.10, I'm getting the standard Qt file open dialog in kate, kwrite etc. How do I get the KDE version?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> ngaio, in the terminal , plasmashell -v , that will give your plasma version which is now kde
[13:35] <ngaio> BluesKaj, What I mean is that when I run kwrite etc, and pull up the open file dialogue, I'm not getting the KDE open file dialog. What I'm getting is the Qt version. I assume that's not meant to be the default way of doing things, and it can be fixed. Sorry for the confusion.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ngaio, update and upgrade asap
[13:37] <ngaio> BluesKaj, I'm fully updated in 15.10
[13:38] <ngaio> I actually don't care about any current settings in my .config etc. with respect to KDE. Is there a single command I can run that will revert all settings to default for my user?
[13:38] <ngaio> I see some weird stuff in any case, like missing icons in the menu
[13:39] <ngaio> something obviously went wrong in the upgrade from previous versions
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ngaio, check in dolphin settings>configure dolphin >services. Make sure you have more than just the 5 services that came with plasma 5
[13:44] <BluesKaj> it's not a cure but an indicator
[13:46] <ngaio> I'm currently in a Unity session, but assuming that makes no difference, I have only 5 services, and if it's relevant, the left side panel has only one icon showing, for Startup. Only the last 3 services are activated.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> ok  ngaio https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=223&t=128621
[13:51] <ngaio> BluesKaj, if I fix the problem of missing services, I'll get the KDE file dialogs back?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ngaio, I think so yes, not absolutely sure
[13:53] <ngaio> thanks, I'll take a look and report back
[13:54] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 has been such a muckup, I can't remember anymore :-)
[14:31] <ngaio> BluesKaj, the problem of the missing KDE file dialog was not fixed by that forum entry's instructions. It's not a big deal. I'll wait until 16.04, I guess. I was looking for it mainly so I could respond to request for information regarding a bug report I filed on KDE's handling of MTP devices
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ngaio, have you rebooted?
[14:32] <ngaio> BluesKaj, no I didn't try that, I just looged out
[14:32] <ngaio> logged*
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:33] <ngaio> I'll reboot now, if you suggest
[14:34] <BluesKaj> it might work
[14:35] <ngaio> brb
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ngaio, any luck? if not try this, sudo ln -s /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/konqpopupmenuplugin.desktop /usr/share/kservicetypes5/
[14:45] <ngaio> BluesKaj, no luck. I already did that command. I got a whole bunch of additional servies in Dolphin, but still no proper file open dialog
[16:48] <solarhis> Bonsoir
[16:50] <krytarik> !fr | solarhis
[17:03] <hay207> hi guys, do i need the source to package a program or i can package from a binary of an older release?
[17:06] <genii> Source
[17:06] <hay207> ok, thanks genii
[19:20] <jaafar> hey friends
[19:20] <jaafar> so krunner now consistently crashes on login for me
[19:20] <jaafar> I get the error reporting popup, and go for the stack trace
[19:20] <jaafar> "Could not find debug symbols for this application"
[19:20] <jaafar> So I guess my questions are: 1) is there a known problem with krunner now, and 2) if I wanted to give a quality bug report how would I go about getting a proper stack trace?
[19:24] <denza242> jaafar: first you'd need the symbols
[19:25] <jaafar> denza242: excellent! any suggestions on how to get them?
[19:25] <denza242> I'll check the exact packagename in a bit, but it's probably krunner-dbg or something
[19:25] <jaafar> I wonder why the crash reporting tool couldn't figure it out...
[19:25] <denza242> jaafar: the packagename?
[19:26] <jaafar> why it couldn't find the debug symbols for me
[19:26] <regedit-work> hello
[19:26] <denza242> drkonqi (crashreporter) is system agnostic, and each distro has it's own weird naming convention for packages
[19:26] <regedit-work> is it bad if i do my do-release-upgrade from a regular in-session command shell? meaning - without logging off and doing it from tty1
[19:26] <jaafar> perhaps it's libkf5runner5-dbg
[19:27] <denza242> !info libkf5runner5-dbg
[19:27] <jaafar> oh joy
[19:27] <denza242> jaafar: ^yep, seems like it
[19:27] <jaafar> that explains a lot
[19:27] <jaafar> thanks guys
[19:27] <jaafar> I mean denza242
[19:28] <denza242> jaafar: no problem
[19:34] <regedit-work> well great... doing do-release-upgrade from command line froze the system some 60-80% through the process... the last output to console was Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[19:34] <regedit-work> cant even switch to tty
[19:35] <regedit-work> so i can't even check if the upgrade has completed or not.... :(
[19:35] <BluesKaj> regedit-work, upgrading to 15.10?
[19:36] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: ye
[19:36] <regedit-work> from 15.04
[19:36] <regedit-work> i (accidentally) initiated the upgrade from within a logged in session graphical command console (Konsole) instead of perhaps better to have logged out and to it from tty
[19:37] <BluesKaj> so just a frozen terminal
[19:37] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: no the entire system is frozen; no mouse, no key combinations, not even switching to tty works
[19:39] <regedit-work> whut thuh fuhhhhhhh.... D:
[19:40] <BluesKaj> ctl+PrtScn+REISUB ?
[19:40] <regedit-work> REISUB? whut?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> it'll totally reboot
[19:41] <BluesKaj> !REISUB
[19:42] <regedit-work> i mean, should i do that? any chance i'd be interrupting the still-running upgrade?
[19:42] <regedit-work> interesting never knew about that one
[19:42] <BluesKaj> oops alt+....
[19:43] <BluesKaj> well, if you have patience maybe whatever is happening will unfreeze itself , but I doubt it.
[19:43] <regedit-work> well i did it
[19:43] <regedit-work> and now i land at a grub prompt
[19:43] <regedit-work> the upgrade probably didnt leave grub in a bootable state
[19:44] <regedit-work> or didnt finish configuring it... :(
[19:44] <regedit-work> FFFFFU
[19:44] <BluesKaj> maybe a an update and upgrade from the VT/TTY will finish it
[19:44] <regedit-work> yes but how to boot
[19:44] <regedit-work> i'm at a grub prompt
[19:45] <regedit-work> guuuhhhhhhh
[19:45] <regedit-work> you have miserably failed Kubuntu, you have failed the user terribly
[19:45] <regedit-work> i will remember this Kubuntu
[19:45] <BluesKaj> do you have another linux OS in grub
[19:45] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: it's not a boot menu, it's a command prompt saying grub>
[19:46] <BluesKaj> oh the grub rescue prompt ...bummer
[19:47] <BluesKaj> but is there another linux on your machine
[19:48] <regedit-work> "bummer"? releasing broken upgrade processes that break a users OS and make it unbootable is outright evil...
[19:48] <regedit-work> not you BluesKaj :p
[19:48] <regedit-work> but i am fuming right now, just saying
[19:48] <Pebete> Hi, is there an estimate date for the availability of Plasma 5.5 for Kubuntu 15.10?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> regedit-work, I have to ask, did you upgrade your packages before running the upgrade-release ?
[19:49] <regedit-work> now i have to spend an hour or more finding & writing a live buntu..... uhhhhh the outrage
[19:50] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: yes; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade were performed and completed successfully before do-release-upgrade
[19:50] <regedit-work> even sudo apt-ger dist-upgrade
[19:50] <regedit-work> for good measure
[19:51] <BluesKaj> Pebete, no firm date , the dev reponsible has a serious family matter to attend to so the builds are postponed for a few days
[19:51] <Pebete> Thanks
[19:52] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: is there no way to give this grub> command prompt directions to boot the Kubuntu that's there at least to text command line?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> regedit-work, the only thing I can suggest is systemrescue disk or boot-repair
[19:53] <regedit-work> why
[19:53] <regedit-work> on a scale of 0 to none
[19:54] <regedit-work> that is just fantastic
[19:54] <regedit-work> thanks anyway BluesKaj, i will now go break a brick wall or something
[19:54] <BluesKaj> well if you can't get to a VT/TTY I have no magic commands
[19:55] <regedit-work> i mean like, why does a grub> prompt exist anyway, if not to be able to manually boot something that is otherwise not perfectly configured to boot automatically...
[19:56] <BluesKaj> regedit-work, I always keep a boot-repair disk handy for these situations
[20:06] <vertago1> jaafar, I had that issue and I was able to clear it up by reseting the baloorc files
[20:07] <jaafar> vertago1: the only one I could find just has some Akonadi setting in it
[20:08] <vertago1> jaafar, I am trying to remember what I did to fix my issue with the debut symbols.
[20:08] <vertago1> *debug
[20:08] <jaafar> Oh
[20:08] <jaafar> well, thanks, hopefully I'm set on the krunner front
[20:08] <jaafar> the insight that package names are idiosyncratic was a helpful one
[20:10] <vertago1> jaafar did you change any of the settings related to generating core files?
[20:11] <jaafar> vertago1: where would those settings be :)
[20:12] <vertago1> jaafar the core dump size shouldn't be an issue as long as you are getting a list of the stack trace though. Did you get a list or just one line?
[20:13] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: I have an external 2TB hard drive formatted to NTFS, with a lot of space available. What are the chances of shrinking some space for a bootable live buntu on it?
[20:13] <jaafar> vertago1: I'm not sure; I was following the crash reporting wizard.  It told me my stack trace was useless, then couldn't download symbols.  Hopefully the second issue is now resolved.
[20:14] <vertago1> the symbols are usually in packages with -dbg at the end
[20:14] <vertago1> they are pretty large
[20:16] <vertago1> the package for krunner is probably libkf5runner5-dbg on kubuntu 15.10
[20:17] <vertago1> getting apport fixed and downloading them through it would probably be the best though.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> regedit-work, yes, resizing the drive with gparted disk and formatting to ext4 and installing kubuntu on it will definitely work
[20:19] <jaafar> yes denza242 helped me find them already
[20:19] <jaafar> I am ready for the next time it happens
[20:20] <regedit-work> BluesKaj: ok le'me try that rabbit hole...
[20:23] <BluesKaj> a 100GB ext4 partition for linux is plenty, regedit-work or even 50G if you don't plan on holding too much data on that partition
[20:37] <regedit-work> no this is just for the bootable recovery
[20:38] <regedit-work> is that a bad idea / not possible?
[20:39] <regedit-work> to make room on a drive currently fully occupied by an NTFS partition - for a bootable live buntu?
[20:52] <regedit-work> resizing 1.82 TiB to 1.8 TiB, how long should this take already?
[20:56] <ubuntourist> This afternoon I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and all went as usual. But on te next power-on of the laptop, the UUID of the swap partition had changed... Why?
[20:56] <ubuntourist> How can I track it down?
[21:43] <vertago1> ubuntourist: some things to consider are whether or not you use cryptswap and whether or not you have booted off a live CD which may have mounted the swap.
[21:43] <vertago1> ubuntourist: I have never seen a partition change UUID on its own so I am guessing mkswap was run on it for some reason
[21:44] <ubuntourist> vertago1: Neither cryptswap nor a live CD.
[21:45] <ubuntourist> After the dist-upgrade, I shut down and moved to a different location. When I restarted, the keyboard was dead. After several restarts, with dead keyboard,
[21:46] <ubuntourist> I dropped into recovery at boot to see if I could ferret out the trouble.
[21:46] <vertago1> ubuntourist it is entirely possible if you powered off the machine while it was trying to write to disk it could have clobbered the uuid information on disk
[21:46] <ubuntourist> That's where I saw it was having trouble with swap and found a different UUID assigned than what I had in /etc/fstab
[21:47] <ubuntourist> vertago1: There's a possibility.
[21:48] <ubuntourist> vertago1: The beastie's had trouble shutting down normally of late, and I've had to resort to popping the battery to get it to really stop.
[21:48] <vertago1> ubuntourist, how do you shut it down?
[21:49] <vertago1> I have had some machines have issues that were fixed with later kernels
[21:49] <ubuntourist> vertago1: I try to wait several minutes, in the hopes that it stops writing before popping the battery.
[21:50] <vertago1> ubuntourist: something you may want to look at because it lets you force a disk sync :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses
[21:50] <ubuntourist> vertago1: I'm running Ubuntu Studio, and I normally just go to the Logout in the upper right, which offers a Logout, Restart, Shutdown or Suspend.
[21:51] <ubuntourist> (On occasion, I run a "sudo shutdown -h now" but rarely.)
[21:52] <ubuntourist> vertago1: Thanks. I'll look into that.
[22:08] <wxl> anyone know how add to klipper via the command line?
[22:09] <wxl> (with qt5)
[22:12] <vertago1> wxl: have you tried this: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68017-CLI-for-Plasma-5-Clipboard?
[22:12] <vertago1> apparently the widget is different from the app
[22:16] <wxl> vertago1: thanks. i was actually having the same problem-- not registered as a service
[22:53] <rattking> wxl: you can pipe to xsel to do that


[07:40] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:10] <akgraner> dholbach, good morning!
[08:10] <dholbach> hola akgraner
[09:38] <Pendulum> morning
[09:43] <AlanBell> morning
[09:43] <AlanBell> only two more sleeps to UDS
[09:44] <Pendulum> only one more for me :)
[09:45] <Pendulum> (especially as I can't sleep on planes)
[10:00] <czajkowski> yay our airports are back open
[10:01] <Pendulum> czajkowski: so I saw!
[10:12] <elky> Now let's hope they let you use them.
[10:13] <Pendulum> really lets hope that they don't close again before Monday
[10:14] <Pendulum> because if we can get a couple days of no closure, it means things should be okay on Sunday
[10:15] <popey> \o/ UDS
[10:15] <popey> etc
[10:15] <Pendulum> :)
[12:21] <czajkowski> Women may still be a minority in the technology industry but they are establishing strong support networks stay connected http://is.gd/bYpg0
[12:21] <czajkowski> Interesting article
[16:21] <akgraner> Call for nominations for New Ubuntu Women Project  Elected Leadership Committee is now open - http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess - Good Luck to everyone!
[17:15] <akgraner> Blog Post about call for nominations being open - Blog about call for nominations being open


[02:39] <philphoto> anyone have an issue where their splash screen is off center?
[02:51] <msingh> hi. xubuntu has detected my wireless card ok and i am using it
[02:51] <msingh> is there a place to copy the settings etc so i can recreate them later?
[05:11] <beastmaster> hey people I got this really weird issue with a laptop using xubuntu. When I press caps lock key few times the touchpad stops working. But if I press it a few times after that then touchpad works again...
[05:11] <beastmaster> thought it was kind of freaky ya know
[05:14] <beastmaster> guess I could disable caps lock, kinda useless key, anyone know how to disable scroll features for touchpads?
[10:03] <deformation> hello all
[10:30] <ollie_> Hey, is there a GUI SSH connect to server thing for ubuntu
[10:38] <ere4si> !ssh | ollie_
[10:38] <ubotu> ollie_: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[10:40] <ollie_> Ok but on Ubuntu theres a app labled "Connect to server"
[10:41] <ollie_> and i enter the ssh detials and connects so i can browers
[10:41] <ollie_> browse files
[10:43] <ere4si> I thought that was just forsamba shares - but then I never use it :)
[10:44] <ere4si> *for samba
[11:05] <TheSheep> !sshfs | ollie_
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sshfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <TheSheep> :/
[12:43] <holyguyve1> I accidently xkilled the xfce panel (start bar) & now I have restarted my computer 3 times & it refuses to start the panel & whenever I click to open the panel manager, it will not open.
[12:44] <holyguyve1> Anyone know how I can fix that?
[12:48] <predaeus> holyguyve1, you mean the Xfce Menu  panel plugin?
[12:48] <predaeus> or the panel itself?
[12:48] <holyguyve1> the whole panel
[12:50] <holyguyve1> the whole bar the\at normally goes across the bottum/ & or top of the screen.
[12:52] <predaeus> maybe the missing panels got saved automatically by session setting
[12:52] <predaeus> can you run a terminal?
[12:53] <holyguyve1> Yes I can run a terminal
[12:53] <holyguyve1> by right clicking on the desktop I can still access the apps menu
[12:54] <holyguyve1> well I have a terminal open
[12:54] <predaeus> maybe you just need to run the panel and the logout and login again so that the running panel is saved in the session (if you have storing session enabled when logging out)
[12:55] <predaeus> try if you can run xfce4-panel
[12:55] <holyguyve1> Okay so how do I run the panel?
[12:56] <predaeus> does it run?
[12:56] <predaeus> if you type "xfce4-panel  <enter>" into the terminal
[12:56] <holyguyve1> As Is aid what cammand do I type in to make it run?
[12:56] <predaeus> xfce4-panel
[12:59] <holyguyve1> bash: xfce-4-panel: command not found
[12:59] <holyguyve1> bash: xfce-4-panel: command not found
[12:59] <predaeus> you have a typo in there
[12:59] <predaeus> xfce4-panel
[12:59] <holyguyve1> yes I do sorry
[12:59] <predaeus> if that launches the panels then it's just the session settings that got messed up.
[13:00] <predaeus> try to have the panel run and then log out and back in and see if it runs if not, the easiest alternative would be to add xfce4-panel to the autostarted applications.
[13:02] <holyguyve1> Alright the xfce4-panel cammand worked. thank you. >The reason it has taken me so long to reply is because I am talking to you from a buttom of the line cheap computer that was manufactured in 1998
[13:04] <holyguyve1> It gave a warning though. it says "(xfce4-panel:7811): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: ICE I/O Error (xfce4-panel:7811): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: Disconnected from session manager.
[13:07] <predaeus> yea, like I've said above you will still have to make sure that it gets launched next time again, some way or the other. I have to jump to, you can also ask in #xfce if you remain to have problems and noone is around here.
[13:09] <holyguyve1> Anyone willing to help please?
[13:10] <ere4si> try    killall xfce4-panel   and   xfce4-panel &    to see if the response is diff
[13:11] <holyguyve1> But I just got it back, why would I want to kill it again?
[13:12] <ere4si> starting it with the   &   on the end may be better - and you have to stop it to start it :)
[13:15] <holyguyve1> typing in that cammand now does nothing aas after I started it, it never returned me to jack@jack-desktop: -s after those error cammands.
[13:17] <ere4si> the panel should have disappeared with the first command and reappeared after the second
[13:19] <holyguyve1> As said cammands do nothing now as I was not returned to the base promt after those errors
[13:20] <ere4si> but what happened to the panel?
[13:20] <holyguyve1> nothign because those cammands you asked me to put in will not work now
[13:21] <ere4si> close the terminal and reopen it to get the prompt back - and be careful typing
[13:22] <holyguyve1> Alright well I have a very good answer that really tells us a lot
[13:22] <holyguyve1> the second I closed the terminal xfce panel also quite
[13:23] <holyguyve1> So the panels life was connected to the terminal window
[13:23] <ere4si> that is why I gave the command   xfce4-panel &   the & makes it continue
[13:23] <ere4si> and links it to the session
[13:24] <holyguyve1> Okay I typed in what you said & it said back "[1] 10086" & then started up the panel
[13:25] <ere4si> k - then logout and back in and see if it continues - that was the issue yes?
[13:25] <holyguyve1> But I hjust now closed the terminal & the panel quite again
[13:26] <holyguyve1> the & made no differance
[13:27] <ere4si> k - open the terminal - hit the up button for the last command - start the panel again and to close the terminal type   exit
[13:27] <holyguyve1> Alright that did it well keeping up the panel.
[13:28] <ere4si> is it solved?
[13:28] <holyguyve1> So I will log out now & hopefully will see you on the other side with good news
[13:28] <ere4si> k :)
[13:32] <holyguyve1> Yes, when I logged back in it came back up :)
[13:32] <ere4si> all happy ?
[13:32] <holyguyve1> Yes, Now I know nnever to accidently xkill the xfce panel :p
[13:33] <ere4si> hehe
[13:33] <holyguyve1> What it was, was I was trying to kill something else, but accidently clicked on the panel
[13:34] <ere4si> well, you got to learn some linux stuff then :)
[13:34] <holyguyve1> But I have been running linux for 4 years now
[13:36] <ere4si> if you kill the panel accidentally then you know how to get it back now :)
[13:37] <holyguyve1> Or round about, I started with Lindows, then that turned into Linspire, then I tried Debian, Kubuntu, Fadora, Damn SMall, Mandrake, Mandriva, Susue, SLax, Yellow Dog, Ubuntu, Fluxbuntu, Xubuntu
[13:37] <holyguyve1> None of them seem to work well on this computer
[13:38] <ere4si> what sort of comp is it?
[13:39] <holyguyve1> this computer is a fullsize computer that was manufactured back in the late 1990's it has a processer that is not desktop standered so it's processer was more qualifide for early pdas
[13:40] <ere4si> I use xubuntu on an old pent2 as a nfs server for home
[13:40] <holyguyve1> But this things processer is not even Pent1 power
[13:40] <ere4si> 1998 model :)
[13:40] <ere4si> ahhh
[13:41] <holyguyve1> Yes but this was a 200$ computer back in 1998
[13:42] <holyguyve1> its processing speed is something like 400MHz I think
[13:42] <ere4si> puppylinux might be an option on that - how much memory does it have? - 400mhz is 200 more than mine:)
[13:42] <holyguyve1> it has 128Mbs of RAM
[13:45] <holyguyve1> & that is not upgradable
[13:46] <ere4si> try - http://www.puppylinux.org
[13:47] <holyguyve1> But as saaid I have tried Damn SMall in ther past. will puppy really be that big of an inprovement overr Damn SSmall Linux?
[13:48] <ere4si> puppy works differently to all other linux - designed for speed on old comps
[13:49] <ere4si> I would be using it except there isn't the nfs server option for it
[13:50] <holyguyve1> Well Okay. What I would like to bbe able to do is be able to have somethintg that can actually run  on this computer yet has all tthe features of ubuntu :P (now you can see why I am on xubuntu right now)
[13:51] <ere4si> as a desktop puppy is popular - to go further it has limitations
[13:52] <ere4si> www.distrowatch.com shows how puppy is growing in popularity
[13:52] <holyguyve1> But if I recall puppy does not use the .deb package :(
[13:52] <holyguyve1> I like .deb
[13:53] <holyguyve1> yeah I know when I used fadora I was using RPM :p
[13:54] <holyguyve1> What desktop/windows manager does Puppy use?
[13:55] <holyguyve1> ( I can not visit websites right now as it will kill this computer)
[13:56] <ere4si> puppy uses either pups or pets for app install - it is diff - and has lots of window managers - the default is jwm
[13:56] <holyguyve1> The mouse even hates to move on this computer
[13:57] <holyguyve1> But what is the panel start bar system on puppy?
[13:57] <holyguyve1> flux?
[13:57] <ere4si> the prob might be that you're old comp uses the pci for video not agp or pci-e
[13:58] <holyguyve1> probably
[13:58] <holyguyve1> All I know is that even fluxbox is slow & combersom on this computer
[13:59] <ere4si> hehe - you must be a patient person :)
[14:00] <holyguyve1> I am :p
[14:00] <holyguyve1> Takes 2 hours to egven load googles frontpage
[14:04] <holyguyve1> No it says I have agp, it says this SiS AGP Port (virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge)
[14:04] <holyguyve1> 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[14:15] <chewit> i have a question. on Ubuntu, there is the GNOME apps which include dictionary, search, screenshot, system log, format floppy and disk usage analyser
[14:16] <chewit> but when i have used it on Xubuntu search doesn't work properly cause its designed for the Ubuntu file manager and not Thundar. What does Xubunty have to replace these small apps
[14:21] <holyguyve1> Sorry about that my computer froze & I had to hit the physical restart button. Right now I am running from the failsafe ternimal where I intered in the xfce4-panel & script & then started pidgin
[14:22] <ere4si> holyguyve1, you're system should be working much better than you say...
[14:22] <holyguyve1> Well it is not
[14:22] <holyguyve1> I mean right now I am talking to you in a failsafe terminal envirenment
[14:23] <holyguyve1> I can't even resize this window bewcause I am not using a window manager right now
[14:24] <holyguyve1> I must say my mouse is not acting conjested right now though :p
[14:25] <ere4si> I have read that sis has poor support in linux so that might be the issue - m/board chips not well supported
[14:25] <holyguyve1> Yes all of my things seem to be sis
[14:27] <holyguyve1> Is there any way I can get a list of all of my hardware to come up so that I can pastbin it?
[14:27] <ere4si> lshw   wil do it
[14:28] <holyguyve1> lshwL
[14:28] <holyguyve1> woops
[14:28] <holyguyve1> sorry I am having trouble
[14:28] <holyguyve1> my terminals do not wish to work right now
[14:30] <holyguyve1> :( I can't inter anything into the terminals right now :(
[14:30] <holyguyve1> it won't let me as long as this window is open
[14:31] <ere4si> try hiting   ctrl+alt+F3
[14:31] <ere4si> ctrl+alt+F1 to get back
[14:41] <holyguyve1> Sorry about that, my computer crashed again. here is the list of my hardware http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59677/
[14:43] <holyguyve1> ere4si I am eager to know what you think/make of it.
[14:44] <ere4si> well
[14:44] <ere4si> it is 1400mhz with 95mb mem
[14:44] <holyguyve1> Is that good or bad?
[14:44] <ere4si> and all sis on the m/board
[14:44] <holyguyve1> So your conclusion is?
[14:45] <ere4si> 1400mhz is ok :) - 95mb mem is poor :(
[14:45] <ere4si> and sis support is lacking in linux from what I've read
[14:45] <holyguyve1> Does that plus the sis explain my problems over the years?
[14:46] <ere4si> that is what I'm thinking -yes
[14:46] <holyguyve1> Yes this computer came pre-installe dswith Linux
[14:46] <holyguyve1> I mean yet
[14:46] <holyguyve1> I bought it with linux already on it
[14:47] <ere4si> 95mb mem - I would only use cli with that
[14:47] <holyguyve1> But the sticker says 128Mbs
[14:48] <ere4si> seems like some of it isn't working anymore
[14:48] <holyguyve1> & the linux that came pre-installed on here used KDE
[14:49] <holyguyve1> Yerah I have replaced the CDROM drive too as that stopped woring last year.
[14:50] <ere4si> it might be time to bite the bullet and find something newer - I'm on a 2002 comp atm
[14:50] <holyguyve1> I would get something new, but I only make 600$ a month, & after all; of my bills I have less then 50$ to myself each month
[14:52] <holyguyve1> So do you know any place that will sell me a high quality PC for less then 50$?
[14:52] <ere4si> that would make it hard... - a pent3 goes for <$100
[14:53] <holyguyve1> Would that stupid crappy wallmart Everex GPC be an improvement over this one?
[14:54] <ere4si> you could try to upgrade memory - but that might be more expensive
[14:54] <holyguyve1> plus I have been told that this processer is horrible
[14:55] <ere4si> I'd be looking in the local paper at second hand comps - can get bargains sometimes
[14:55] <holyguyve1> Geode NX I have been told should not belong in a desktop[
[14:55] <ere4si> hehe
[14:56] <holyguyve1> I live in a small farming comunity town
[14:56] <holyguyve1> Our nearist Major computer retailer is a 4 hour drive away
[14:56] <holyguyve1> & I don't own a car
[14:57] <holyguyve1> WallMart is a 45 minute drive
[14:57] <ere4si> good thing that you're patient then :)
[14:57] <holyguyve1> Yes :p
[14:58] <holyguyve1> A few months ago I loaned a friend 100$ I think it is time for me to smack him upside the head & get my money back so that if nothing else I can aford that walmart PC
[14:59] <ere4si> you'd get better value for you're money buying second hand then walmart crap - put and ad in the local shop window
[15:01] <holyguyve1> what kind of local shop?
[15:02] <holyguyve1> groscery store?
[15:02] <ere4si> what shops are near you? - I'm sure people put ads for stuff to sell/buy or events in the shop windows there
[15:03] <holyguyve1> Our nearest store is Safeway they sell grosceries, then after that it is WalMart a 45 minute drive away.
[15:05] <ere4si> my local shops have a community noticeboard for people to post stuff on - sounds like your town is small
[15:05] <holyguyve1> I said it was a small farming community
[15:05] <ere4si> just trying to give some options :)
[15:06] <holyguyve1> I know :p
[15:06] <holyguyve1> With our local freecycling group computers go so quickly I have never had the chance to get one :p
[15:07] <holyguyve1> So anyway back on subject do you think Puppy would run well on this computer?
[15:08] <ere4si> not really enough mem left on it
[15:09] <holyguyve1> So, do you know of any operating system that I can run on this computer?
[15:10] <ere4si> if google takes two hours you are kinda limited
[15:10] <holyguyve1> & you don't even want to know how hard running a liveCD to install some of these distros was :p
[15:11] <ere4si> I'm using ubuntu server with fluxbox on this comp - lightest I could find with good support
[15:12] <holyguyve1> LiveCDs run best on a minimal of like 250MBs ram, so with 95MBs you can imagine what that has been like
[15:12] <ere4si> ssslllooowww
[15:12] <ere4si> :)
[15:12] <ere4si> I use the net install cd - is text based
[15:13] <holyguyve1> I have used those too, still takes about 6 hours
[15:13] <ere4si> that's old comps for you hehe
[15:14] <holyguyve1> Maybe I should look into installing a 1801 Unix variant :p
[15:14] <holyguyve1> 1981\
[15:14] <holyguyve1> Not 1800's :p
[15:14] <holyguyve1> Amish UNIX :p
[15:14] <holyguyve1> perhaps some OS from the 1980's would suit this computer well
[15:15] <ere4si> even the ubuntu command line only os would work better
[15:16] <ere4si> can still web browse etc
[15:16] <holyguyve1> Well I was just talking to you in that a half hour ago, even that crashed my computer :p
[15:16] <ere4si> that to me is memory faults
[15:17] <holyguyve1> & Processer & who knows what else :p
[15:18] <ere4si> it's 20 after 1 am here - I'm off to bed :) lots of luck
[15:18] <ere4si> bye
[16:19] <DrIP> hi all
[16:19] <DrIP> how can i setup ndiswrapper and make it work in a server enviroment?
[16:50] <DrIP> mic check, 1,2
[16:51] <The-Kernel> it works
[17:29] <DrIP> hi all, is wireless support working in a typical install?
[17:39] <sudobash> depends on what chipset
[17:39] <TheSheep> DrIP: but where possible it works out of the box
[17:46] <student1> interesting problem.  first time i use synaptic, it asks me for a password.  fine.  second time i use it, it doesn't bother asking me, just launches the program.  do i need to re-install xauth?
[17:48] <student1> followup : if i re-boot, then launch synaptic again, it asks me for the password first time only.
[17:49] <sudobash> student1 it will remember your pass just like sudo
[17:49] <sudobash> like the net sometimes caches passwords
[17:49] <sudobash> it is perfectly normal
[17:50] <sudobash> if you wait long enough it will forget your password and ask you again
[17:50] <sudobash> good programming
[17:50] <student1> that's odd ... i could have sworn that it asked me for my password each time i used it.  sudobash : sorry started typing my response before you got back to me about it "forgetting"
[17:51] <sudobash> sudo is same way
[17:52] <sudobash> but if you go to terminal and execute sudo bash and then type your commands you skip all that password shit and just have to type it once
[17:52] <student1> can i manually flush the cache so that it is forced to forget.  i don't want someone else to have root privilege if i walk away
[17:54] <DrIP> woa back
[17:55] <DrIP> sudobash: it's a linksys WMP11v4... i have just setup ndiswrapper and i have just done an ifconfig list
[17:55] <DrIP> TheSheep: there are no linksys drivers for it :(
[17:56] <DrIP> right now i see an eth1
[17:56] <DrIP> so, how can i do my wireless from command line?
[17:56] <DrIP> i screwed up my x-org
[17:57] <TheSheep> DrIP: I have little experience with wifi, but I can try to help you fix your xorg...
[17:57] <DrIP> sure
[17:57] <DrIP> heres what happened:
[17:58] <DrIP> i have a recently burned out PCI graphics adapter...  i'm using my internal graphics now...
[17:58] <DrIP> idk what to do, and if you can help out with that, that would be great :)
[17:59] <TheSheep> DrIP: to reconfigure your xorg to use a different graphics card?
[17:59] <DrIP> yes
[17:59] <TheSheep> DrIP: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[17:59] <TheSheep> DrIP: most defaults in this dialog should be fine
[17:59] <DrIP> ok
[18:00] <DrIP> humm
[18:00] <DrIP> Ammount of memory for the graphics card?
[18:01] <TheSheep> just leave it blank
[18:01] <DrIP> ok
[18:01] <sudobash> use iwconfig DrIP
[18:01] <DrIP> use kernel framebuffer?
[18:01] <DrIP> sudobash: ok
[18:01] <TheSheep> DrIP: the defaults should be ok (just hit 'enter')
[18:01] <DrIP> ok
[18:02] <DrIP> wooo hooo!
[18:02] <DrIP> thanks!
[18:03] <sudobash> whats does ifconfig tell you DrIP
[18:03] <sudobash> ?
[18:03] <sudobash> iwconfig i mean
[18:03] <DrIP> ifconfig had lo and eth1
[18:04] <DrIP> iwconfig says it can't find an interface
[18:05] <sudobash> then you havent set up ndiswrapper correctly
[18:06] <DrIP> humm
[18:06] <DrIP> let me try that again
[18:11] <DrIP> sudobash: ok
[18:11] <DrIP> this is weird
[18:11] <DrIP> ndiswrapper -l
[18:11] <DrIP> lsipnds : driver installed, device (17FE:2120) Present
[18:12] <DrIP> iwconfig
[18:12] <DrIP> lo    no wireless extentions, eth1  no wireless extentions
[18:12] <DrIP> did i miss something?
[18:15] <sudobash> man iwconfig
[18:15] <sudobash> you might need to restart
[18:15] <sudobash> looks like driver is working with ndis
[18:16] <sudobash> so restart and see if you can man iwconfig to figure out how to control the card
[18:16] <DrIP> ok
[18:17] <DrIP> eth0 is not a device though... my wired went to eth1
[18:19] <DrIP> what is the chipset for the linksys WMP11v4?
[18:20] <DrIP> ahhh
[18:20] <DrIP> InProComm
[18:20] <sudobash> try ra0
[18:21] <DrIP> ra0?
[18:21] <sudobash> ummm.... not sure broadcom something or other
[18:22] <DrIP> InProComm is appearently unsupported?
[18:22] <sudobash> lo eth0 eth1 ra0.... ra0 is a common wireless dev
[18:23] <sudobash> DrIP research into what Back|Track uses for your wifi card
[18:23] <sudobash> BackTrack 3
[18:23] <DrIP> sure
[18:24] <DrIP> what /is/ BackTrack 3?
[18:24] <DrIP> ahh
[18:24] <sudobash> a distro
[18:24] <sudobash> based on slackware
[18:24] <DrIP> they don't support :( i've tried it
[18:24] <sudobash> have you tried Mad WIFI
[18:24] <sudobash> ?
[18:24] <DrIP> no
[18:30] <dezrik> Hey guys is there a way to remove nm-applet and use another net manager?
[18:32] <DrIP> bbl
[18:32] <DrIP> katate
[18:32] <DrIP> *karate
[19:53] <ericmoritz\0> howdy
[19:53] <ericmoritz\0> If I wanted to mount a device from the command line as a normal user is there some kind of magic command to do that in xfce?
[20:19] <ancientpaint> hey all, i have a problem.  I created a ISO image cd of Xubuntu.  When I boot from cd, It displays a menu. I select install. The Xubuntu logo and load bar apprears. It load for sometime then my screen turns all kinds of colors...anyone know how to fix this?
[20:24] <ericmoritz\0> anyone know?
[21:36] <DrIP> bbl
[21:47] <slow-motion> n8


[17:04] <RikMills> something to get stuck into for 23.10 :D https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-flavor-installer
[17:05] <ahoneybun[m]> Are you happy about it RikMills ?
[17:08] <RikMills> if we can customize it ok, then I guess so
[17:09] <RikMills> the shared front end means we will get the benefit of canonicals fixes
 I have a tiny bit of experience with Flutter, and am willing to give it a go. No idea how to package it into the ISO, or where to put the work once created. Should we just create a fork, and work from that ?
[17:10] <RikMills> not sure. the meeting notes said that budgie or xubuntu dev (forget which) can help with getting started
[17:11] <RikMills> the packaging is via creating a snap IIRC
[17:11] <RikMills> which we would seed on the ISO
 Ah ha OK, that makes sense


[12:03] <RikMills> mmikowski: 5.27.0 is now built in experimental ppa
[12:03] <RikMills> *5.27.10
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:25] <mmikowski> Thanks Rik. Will take a look.


[15:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: In the error tracker for controls for v2.3.5 There are two errors that still show. The second one is always the same user, stork and seems to have a non-ubuntu kernel. It may also be a trashed or trunkated lock file. anyway not too worried about that one
[15:21] <OvenWerks> the first is more worrying. controller = bus.get_object(service_name, "/org/jackaudio/Controller") returns: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed
[15:23] <OvenWerks> At first glance it appears that jackdbus is frozen but I have had similar kinds of problems where it seems dbus has stopped working (possibly because of jackdbus).
[15:27] <OvenWerks> Another possibility would be that dbus is busy (I don't know how linear dbus is) servicing a dbus call that never ends. I have not read anything like this in dbus docs (such as they are) but because dbus sees lots of use without this problem, I have to assume there is something I am doing wrong.
[15:31] <OvenWerks> I have had problems where using systemd to restart dbus does not work and I have to reboot. That could mean that the problem is in the signal call back for device (un)plugged and therefore would require the system dbus to be restarted
[15:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I already have a timer that checks many things and acts on them because jack requires that. In other words a jack callback just sets a flag and returns and then my timer loop sees the flag and does the actual work. It may be that dbus signal callbacks should do the same.
[15:34] <OvenWerks> It will be aug before I can look into this.
[15:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I'm seeing some supicious stuff with unplugs too.
[15:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> And system dbus restart = yikes.
[15:36] <OvenWerks> I have not tried a system dbus restart, it is an asumption that may be the problem :)
[15:36] <OvenWerks> but having to reboot to fix anything is already bad
[15:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, very.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am however glad that things are down to only two problems :)
[15:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, it's definitely an improvement.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> There are only 5 signal callbacks but 4 are system, two for device unplug and two for phones.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> the user signal call back handles a number of commands though. However, because of the way it is set up it should be easy to convert.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, that's good.
[16:12] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: quick thought. The second problem, 0xe9 can't be converted, sort of has me stumped. That charactor should not be in the file at all. the file should only contain the PID of a stale process. That is numbers only.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> It also looks like useless garbage.
[16:13] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if this user has some odd system encoding setup where numbers get converted to odd charactors
[16:13] <OvenWerks> (it is all one user so far as I can tell)
[16:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Exactly which incident is it?
[16:17] <OvenWerks> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/2e9d6308474b4a833dc29dca394c2c76764603eb
[16:17] <OvenWerks> The kernel is  Linux 4.9.135-dappersec x86_64 ??
[16:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's in Kinetic, and things there might not be settled.
[16:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Wait.... whut?
[16:18] <OvenWerks> xfce desktop
[16:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, someone's playing around with their system. That's not your fault.
[16:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> They've got a frankensystem. Don't try to figure that one outl.
[16:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's "Dapper Linux"
[16:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://dapperlinux.com/
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not worth your time.
[16:20] <OvenWerks> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 so nothing too off
[16:20] <OvenWerks> I am guessing so.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, but they're running on an ancient, extremely patched kernel.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's bound to be incompatible.
[16:21] <OvenWerks> 8964 is what the contents of that file should be.
[16:21] <OvenWerks> I'll let that one go.
[16:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I would.
[16:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Literally beyond anything you can support.
[16:24] <OvenWerks> It is late enough in the morning I can start making noise... off to the boat shed.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I have a boat to get ready for the water and then we will be "off grid/air" for a few weeks. It may be August before I get very far with this.
[16:27] <OvenWerks> but because I have an idea on how to fix it... I may be able to get it done during no noise times
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> OOoo Fun! Yeah, I'll be out camping most of next week myself. I've been helping Lubuntu with some quassel issues (that affect us as well since we seed it) and working on some seed stuff for Kinetic in addition to day job with Kubuntu.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's fine. BTW, 22.04.1 is getting pushed a couple of weeks.