[12:50] <AnRkey> keram thanks it's working
[12:52] <DanaG> Hmm, trying to run WinXP with the VESA Bochs under KVM:  I get exception 14.
[01:57] <AnRkey> how do i get gutsy tribe 3 to go into x when it boots?
[01:57] <AnRkey> i have to startx when i login at the moment
[02:11] <XiXaQ> hey, the Windowlist in a vertcal panel shows windows horisontally! That's great, I've been longing for that for ages. However, to me it seems abit buggy?
[02:15] <jmg> hi all, i just upgraded to gutsy and didnt get compiz
[02:15] <jmg> how can i enable it?
[02:15] <crdlb> jmg, system>preferences>appearance>desktop effects
[02:17] <jmg> crdlb: says its enabled (button is down)
[02:18] <jmg> how can i debug whats happening? grep compiz in /var/log reveals nothing
[02:18] <jmg> oh
[02:18] <jmg> hehe
[02:18] <DanaG> Try .xsession-errors instead.
[02:48] <AnRkey> does anyone else's installation not go into gdm when it boots?
[02:49] <AnRkey> I can't get mine to go into gdm when it boots, can anyone help?
[02:52] <AnRkey> i have to use startx to go into x
[02:53] <calc> AnRkey: is gdm installed?
[02:54] <calc> AnRkey: if so what does 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' do for you?
[02:54] <calc> gar
[02:57] <calc> AnRkey: is gdm installed?
[02:58] <AnRkey> calc, yeah fine
[02:58] <calc> AnRkey: if so what does 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' do for you?
[02:58] <AnRkey> i am using it now
[02:58] <calc> oh so gdm works now, ok, thats good :)
[02:58] <AnRkey> i login and use startx to get into gdm
[02:58] <calc> startx doesn't go into gdm
[02:58] <calc> gdm is in place of needing to use startx
[02:59] <calc> if gdm is working it comes up at boot time
[02:59] <calc> startx just starts X
[02:59] <calc> so quit out of X and then run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' to see what it does
[03:00] <calc> if that causes gdm to start then something is wrong with /etc/rcX.d/ symlink (probably)
[03:00] <DanaG> Odd, when I made /var a separate partition, it seemed to break some things.
[03:00] <calc> if it does start dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm might ask you if you want to use it (not really sure though)
[03:01] <AnRkey> calc, it does work but it won't start during boot time
[03:02] <AnRkey> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start gives me this * Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager.
[03:03] <calc> AnRkey: ah well then that is the problem
[03:04] <calc> AnRkey: i think sudo 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm' will fix that for you
[03:04] <calc> its not starting because
[03:04] <calc> DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE=/etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:04] <calc> is not gdm
[03:04] <calc> which i think reconfigure will let you set it to that
[03:05] <Pici> Is that a softlink to gdm?
[03:05] <AnRkey> cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager shows this
[03:05] <AnRkey> /usr/bin/gdm
[03:05] <calc> whoa
[03:05] <AnRkey> so donno now
[03:06] <calc> hmm
[03:06] <calc> AnRkey: i see the issue
[03:06] <AnRkey> echo $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE comes up empty
[03:06] <calc> AnRkey: change the file so say /usr/sbin/gdm
[03:06] <calc> s/so/to/
[03:07] <calc> gdm is in /usr/sbin not /usr/bin
[03:07] <calc> which is what the init script checks to see if it should start
[03:08] <AnRkey> ok gonna reboot brb
[03:08] <AnRkey> thanks calc
[03:08] <AnRkey> is this a bug in gutsy's installer then?
[03:08] <AnRkey> how do i follow up on it?
[03:08] <AnRkey> rebooting quick
[03:12] <AnRkey> calc, thanks that worked perfectly. I am a bit bummed that I did not check the path to gdm myself. Thanks again though.
[03:12] <AnRkey> be back later, gonna get a bit of sleep
[03:12] <AnRkey> gotta be up in a few hours
[03:30] <voidmage> strange
[03:30] <voidmage> for some reason firefox likes to take up 98% cpu when i lauch it
[03:30] <voidmage> and it won't ever actually work
[03:31] <voidmage> brb x restart
[03:37] <techII> is "update-manager -d" supposed to work on 64 bit systems yet?
[03:39] <voidmage> Is anybody else having trouble with compiz at the moment?
[03:40] <voidmage> when I start compiz it crashes X
[03:44] <voidmage> well yeah
[03:44] <voidmage> compiz likes to crash X now
[03:44] <voidmage> started as soon as I added Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" to xorg.conf
[04:01] <DanaG> FOr me, compiz FREEZES Xorg.
[04:09] <voidmage> Can anyone help me diagnose why certain apps, including mythtv and compiz cause X to crash?
[04:12] <voidmage> Backtrace:
[04:12] <voidmage> 0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c8631]
[04:12] <voidmage> 1: [0xffffe420]
[04:12] <voidmage> Fatal server error:
[04:12] <voidmage> Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
[04:12] <voidmage> is all that xorg.log gives me
[04:13] <voidmage> I'm not really sure where to begin.
[04:15] <voidmage> I have nothing to go by except that thing in xorg.log and the fact that when it crashes, X basically just restarts without warning
[04:21] <voidmage> sorry about that, X keeps crashing
[04:21] <voidmage> if anyone said something in between the time I was gone and now, can you repeat it?
[04:21] <jmg> guys i have the gnome-settings-daemon bug
[04:23] <voidmage> see if removing compiz fixes it
[04:23] <voidmage> might crash again
[04:23] <voidmage> brb if that happens
[04:47] <jmg> compiz.real  Warn: Bind Pixmap to Texture failure
[04:49] <yellow_chicken> which alsa will gutsy gibbon use?
[05:04] <voidmage> I can't rebuild the nvidia kernel modules now
[05:05] <voidmage> ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename.
[05:34] <voidmage> anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[05:52] <voidmage> anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[06:00] <taxman> I thought I saw a page on how to rsync to the latest tribe3. Am I dreaming?
[06:01] <taxman> rsynch a tribe2 iso that is
[06:03] <taxman> ahh, I guess jigdo can do similarly
[06:08] <jmg> my system doesnt have xgl is it required for compiz xtill?
[06:08] <voidmage> is something with the nvidia drivers broken?
[06:08] <voidmage> i get anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[06:10] <voidmage> anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[06:22] <voidmage> anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[06:25] <jmg> ok compiz is working now but it has the wrong resolution, any fix?
[06:26] <jmg> !fixresolution
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixresolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <jmg> !fixres
[06:26] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:27] <voidmage> Anyone know anything about ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[06:35] <jmg> :(
[06:52] <voidmage> Anyone know anything about ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[06:56] <xtknight> voidmage, i see your question 6 times on one page.  apparently nobody knows.
[06:57] <voidmage> good, that means someone's there
[06:57] <voidmage> :P
[06:57] <xtknight> lol
[06:57] <xtknight> have you tried removing/reinstalling linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx-new?
[06:57] <voidmage> xtknight: probably would help to say that i'm using nvidia.com's drivers because nvidia-glx-new doesn't support the 8600
[06:58] <xtknight> ah
[06:58] <voidmage> and that the error comes from the installer
[06:58] <xtknight> i think i know what the problem is
[06:58] <xtknight> but you're not going to like the solution
[06:58] <voidmage> happened today starting after some updates were put out
[06:58] <xtknight> basically you have to type "sudo modprobe -i nvidia" at every bootup
[06:58] <voidmage> anyways, what's that?
[06:58] <xtknight> and then it works
[06:58] <xtknight> for the official nvidia.com drivers
[06:58] <xtknight> -i makes it ignore the install script, no bad consequences (probably just a few missing sanity checks)
[06:59] <voidmage> i don't have the nvidia modules installed though?
[06:59] <xtknight> oh, you don't?
[06:59] <voidmage> no, that error's coming from the installer
[06:59] <xtknight> you mean the installer doesnt finish?
[06:59] <xtknight> hmm
[06:59] <voidmage> yeah
[06:59] <xtknight> not sure i only tried it on Feisty myself
[07:00] <voidmage> really wish they'd package 100.14.11 in nvidia-glx-new
[07:00] <voidmage> because of course, my card is the only unsupported one right now
[07:00] <xtknight> besides, there's also a file in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video that also interferes with installing nvidia.com drivers
[07:00] <xtknight> in/at
[07:00] <voidmage> yeah i actually just saw that when i tried to modprobe nvidia
[07:00] <xtknight> commenting this out works for some people:  #   install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS
[07:00] <xtknight> didnt do anything for me
[07:01] <xtknight> i had to use modprobe -i after i got it installed.  doesnt even sound like youre at that point yet
[07:01] <xtknight> and you have the linux-headers right?
[07:01] <voidmage> yeah
[07:01] <voidmage> oh wait, have to kill x
[07:01] <voidmage> doesn't like that i'm installing it while X is running
[07:01] <xtknight> gdm stop
[07:01] <xtknight> err... sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:02] <voidmage> brb then
[07:04] <voidmage> nope
[07:04] <voidmage> didn't do anything
[07:05] <voidmage> first off, weird that it would suddenly break
[07:05] <xtknight> what did you do differently this time?
[07:05] <voidmage> i commented out that line in lrm-video
[07:05] <xtknight> oh
[07:05] <xtknight> didnt do anything here either
[07:05] <voidmage> anyways, still confused why it would break like that
[07:05] <xtknight> there's an --expert mode
[07:06] <voidmage> tried that one already
[07:06] <voidmage> didn't do anything
[07:06] <xtknight> tried building it yourself?
[07:06] <xtknight> like extract the sh into a folder and compile
[07:06] <voidmage> haven't tried that yet
[07:06] <xtknight> might give you more verbose output, at least
[07:06] <xtknight> there's nothing in NVIDIA installer.log?
[07:06] <voidmage> just that line
[07:06] <xtknight> that is more verbose
[07:06] <xtknight> ok try the switch that lets you extract it and compile it
[07:07] <voidmage> make: *** [print-module-filename]  error 1
[07:07] <xtknight> hmm
[07:08] <xtknight> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79902
[07:08] <voidmage> oh, i think i got it.
[07:08] <voidmage> looks like ccache fails a sanity check
[07:09] <voidmage> oh wow.
[07:09] <voidmage> i think that worked
[07:10] <voidmage> i'll try this now
[07:10] <voidmage> brb again
[07:15] <voidmage> alright, that worked.
[07:16] <voidmage> one other thing, to fix the lrm-video issue what worked was installing linux-restricted-modules-common
[07:18] <xtknight> hmm
[07:18] <xtknight> what worked in the end?
[07:18] <xtknight> compiling it on your own?
[07:19] <voidmage> CC=gcc sudo NVIDIA-driver-100.14.11.sh
[07:19] <voidmage> figured out ccache was failing a sanity check
[07:20] <voidmage> well, compiz works nw
[07:20] <voidmage> now
[07:20] <voidmage> i like the packaging, esp. how it's in main
[07:20] <voidmage> :P
[07:56] <opopanax> shoulda been gibbous gibbon
[07:57] <opopanax> so what's this i read about configless X?
[07:57] <opopanax> is that planned to be part of gutsy?
[08:02] <scotth_> opopanax: http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.2
[08:03] <scotth_> gutsy seems to have 7.2
[08:03] <scotth_> try moving your xorg.conf out of the way and see what happens
[08:03] <opopanax> yeah
[08:03] <opopanax> have to upgrade first
[08:04] <opopanax> I've got beryl installed; compiz is just a drop-in replacement, right?
[08:04] <scotth_> kindof
[08:04] <opopanax> i know they're not exactly alike...
[08:04] <scotth_> well they are
[08:04] <scotth_> beryl is compiz+bunch of extra plugins
[08:04] <opopanax> beryl was a fork of compiz, I thought.  did they re-merge?
[08:04] <scotth_> yeah they did
[08:05] <opopanax> gatcha
[08:05] <scotth_> short story is gutsy has compiz fusion which is the merge of the two
[08:05] <opopanax> oic.
[08:05] <opopanax> so, beryl as implemented in feisty is dep.?
[08:05] <stdin> umm, Ubuntu Gutsy dose
[08:05] <opopanax> deprecated
[08:05] <opopanax> rather
[08:05] <scotth_> was beryl ever in feisty?
[08:05] <voidmage> !info beryl feisty
[08:05] <ubotu> beryl: Compositing window manager, decorator and theme support - Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 44 kB
[08:06] <opopanax> that would be the case
[08:06] <stdin> beryl was not installed by default
[08:06] <opopanax> no
[08:06] <voidmage> compiz will be in gutsy from what i hear
[08:06] <voidmage> default, even
[08:06] <opopanax> yep[
[08:06] <scotth_> thought you had to use outside repos to get it in feisty
[08:06] <opopanax> which means my laptop will cease to work.
[08:06] <opopanax> heh
[08:06] <voidmage> if beryl doesn't work it SHOULD fall back to metacity
[08:06] <voidmage> emphasis on should
[08:06] <voidmage> :P
[08:06] <scotth_> I think it will fall back gracefully
[08:06] <stdin> scotth_: not actually, it was merged into the repos
[08:07] <voidmage> lolstabilityhumor
[08:07] <stdin> -fusion is nice though :)
[08:07] <opopanax> i think i have the wrong update-manager...  can I just go ahead and manually change my repos to gutsy and do a dist-upgrade?
[08:07] <scotth_> yeah, I definately agree... fusion is sweetness
[08:07] <stdin> adds a lot of functionality to the bling of beryl
[08:08] <scotth_> wrong update-manager?
[08:08] <scotth_> gksudo update-manager -c -d
[08:08] <opopanax> hmmmm
[08:08] <opopanax> the gutsy page needs to be updated then
[08:08] <opopanax> doesn't like -c
[08:09] <scotth_> that was just off the top of my head
[08:09] <scotth_> manpage?
[08:09] <opopanax> sorry
[08:09] <opopanax> .......says i'm up to date.
[08:09] <scotth_> no manpage
[08:09] <opopanax> heh.  i'll do some pokin see what I can find
[08:09] <opopanax> info page prolly
[08:10] <scotth_> ahh, no -c
[08:10] <scotth_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe3
[08:10] <opopanax> page says I need update-manager from feisty-proposed...
[08:11] <voidmage> opopanax: a dist-upgrade would probably work, but make sure to remove all third-party and local packages first
[08:11] <voidmage> and make sure to run a dist-upgrade until it doesn't report any upgrades
[08:11] <voidmage> then make sure (k)ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal are installed
[08:11] <Hobbsee> and ubuntu-standard
[08:11] <scotth_> I ussually upgrade apt and dpkg first
[08:12] <Hobbsee> scotth_: you shouldnt need to.
[08:12] <scotth_> old debian advice
[08:12] <opopanax> makes sense, though...  like in gentoo, always update the toolchain, then portage, then the toolchain again.
[08:12] <scotth_> Hobbsee: old habit, has yet to get me into trouble
[08:12] <opopanax> then the rest of it.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> it *should* just dist-upgrade cleanly - or fairly cleanly
[08:13] <Hobbsee> in fact, if you do it with a dist-upgrade, and report teh bugs, that'd be very useful
[08:13] <opopanax> ran ~x86 in gentoo for 2 years, should be fine.
[08:13] <opopanax> but, then again, not a debian guy, so I could get hung up
[08:13] <Hobbsee> actually, kubuntu upgrader will likely fall over
[08:13] <opopanax> ok, changing repos.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> there are still some conflicts in kdepim, iirc.  i should really fix them.
[08:14] <Hobbsee> (where you can use dpkg -i --force-overwrite as a workaround)
[08:14] <opopanax> so, i can change feisty to gutsy, feisty-backports to gutsy-backports, so on and so forth, and I should be "fine"?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> stf
[08:15] <Hobbsee> opopanax: gutsy-backports doesnt exist
[08:15] <Hobbsee> and you should be mostly fine.
[08:15] <opopanax> keep feisty-backports, then?
[08:15] <stdin> takes a bit of work sometimes, but that's alpha :)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> please file bugs for those overwriting packages, though, if they havent been filed already
[08:15] <Hobbsee> opopanax: no, remove it completely
[08:16] <opopanax> gutsy-commercial lives?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> i dont think so, it'll 404 if it doesnt
[08:16] <opopanax> kcool
[08:17] <voidmage> gutsy-backports exists, but it's empty
[08:17] <voidmage> gutsy-commercial isn't open yet
[08:18] <voidmage> my current sources.list, for reference: gutsy, gutsy-proposed, gutsy-updates, gutsy-security, gutsy-backports, medibuntu-gutsy, and skype
[08:18] <opopanax> gutsy-proposed?
[08:18] <opopanax> k, cool.
[08:18] <opopanax> thanks
[08:18] <voidmage> commended out includes gutsy-commercial, wine, and ivtv
[08:19] <stdin> I like to have all the official repos in sources.list and anything else in another file in sources.list.d/
[08:19] <stdin> helps me keep track
[08:20] <opopanax> g-com 404'd like you said.
[08:20] <opopanax> all else succeeded.
[08:20] <Hobbsee> voidmage: skype may fall over.  no idea about the state of medibuntu
[08:21] <voidmage> i've had luck with skype
[08:21] <voidmage> well for now at least
[08:21] <voidmage> the repo is "debian stable"
[08:21] <voidmage> not sure how long that will last though
[08:23] <opopanax> thanks for the groovy assistance-like help.
[08:23] <opopanax> and stuff
[08:23] <opopanax> see how it goes, and i'll report back.
[08:24] <opopanax> pretty standard hardware
[08:26] <xtknight> hmm so gutsy has commercial now huh?
[08:26] <xtknight> lol never mind
[08:30] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem in gutsy
[08:31] <AnAnt> when I pass vga=788, I can't work on virtual console
[08:32] <AnAnt> I am using a 15.4" laptop
[08:50] <shirish> guys is somebody or anybody having issues with starting ubuntu, gtk+ refusing to start?
[08:52] <databuddy> shirish: just do ctrl+alt+bkspace
[08:52] <databuddy> then relog in and its fixed here
[08:54] <databuddy> gah - fonts are tiny in gkrellm - the dpi bug is hitting me all ovah ! ;p
[08:54] <databuddy> any way to change default font size for gtk apps like gkrellm?
[08:55] <DanaG> Is the DPI setting correct?
[08:56] <DanaG> Oh wait, do you mean GTK1?
[08:56] <DanaG> If so, I don't know the answer to that one.
[08:58] <databuddy> DanaG: dpi doesnt do anything in general
[08:58] <DanaG> The new appearance panel no longer applies changes on the fly.
[08:59] <DanaG> Now you have to log out and back in.  It's a major regression, in my opinion.
[08:59] <shirish> databuddy: I did the crtl+alt+backspace but it doesn't solve the issues
[09:00] <databuddy> shirish: sorry, perhaps i dont understand exactly
[09:00] <databuddy> for me gnome would seem to load - but nothing would load ust would have blank desktop
[09:00] <shirish> databuddy: I have uploaded the xsession-errors file http://rapidshare.com/files/45499269/.xsession-errors.html
[09:00] <databuddy> i would do that and relog in and i was good - sometimes twice
[09:00] <shirish> databuddy: yup, know that one, but this is a recurring issue, the good thing is I have also xubuntu-desktop installed so i can use stuff
[09:04] <databuddy> well 'solved' my dpi problem - just gotta restart X in between
[09:05] <shirish> DanaG: can you take a look at http://rapidshare.com/files/45499269/.xsession-errors.html
[09:05] <databuddy> shirish: dunno the impacts of having both full desktops in - tho you dont typically need the whole thing to use everything - i use k3b in gnome all the time - in fact for linux its the only burning program i use
[09:05] <shirish> databuddy: I like to use both desktops, i have few clients/friends who use xubuntu while some which have ubuntu
[09:06] <shirish> hence the two desktops requirement
[09:07] <databuddy> ya
[09:07] <databuddy> i dont see anything in that errors log that sticks out - but im no pro sorry
[09:08] <DanaG> For text files, use pastebin.
[09:08] <DanaG> I've lately found myself having to kill XOrg 3 or 4 times before a login worked.
[09:09] <DanaG> I've read somewhere that the "Desktop Effects" panel is what breaks things, so try disabling it there and manually starting compiz at each session, for safety.
[09:11] <shirish> DanaG: ok cool
[09:12] <shirish> ubotu paste
[09:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:13] <databuddy> so DanaG how does one get beryl in gutsy anyway?
[09:15] <shirish> DanaG: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31633/
[09:23] <shirish> DanaG: sorry for logging out, my system had got hanged
[09:23] <DanaG> Beryl has been superseded by compiz-fusion.
[09:24] <DanaG> But you can still install the old Feisty debs of Beryl.
[09:24] <DanaG> Just be aware that with everything after 0.1.9999, transparent cube breaks some animations.
[09:25] <DanaG> Restarting to Ubuntu now -- I was in Windows.
[09:25] <shirish> DanaG: ok cool, lemme know when you're in
[09:25] <shirish> DanaG: also have you played with tracker, the search engine?
[09:38] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem in gutsy
[09:38] <AnAnt> when I pass vga=788, I can't work on virtual console
[09:38] <AnAnt> I am using a 15.4" laptop
[09:48] <DanaG> Argh, ntfs-3g doesn't offer a fallback to read-only!
[09:56] <shirish> DanaG: welcome back :)
[09:56] <DanaG> Oh, that reminds me: there are some updates I haven't installed.
[09:57] <DanaG> I always read any changelogs before installing updates, just to see what's new.
[10:00] <shirish> DanaG: how do you read changelogs before installing updates?
[10:01] <DanaG> Oh, you use update-manager.
[10:01] <shirish> ah, I know what you mean, I use aptitude hence forgot
[10:09] <opopanax> finally done downloading, now installing packages.
[10:12] <opopanax> the best part of xorg 7.x is the modular architecture.  Makes things a lot easier to update; I remember that from gentoo.
[10:12] <opopanax> is debian proper still on xfree86?
[10:13] <pwnguin> i dont think so
[10:13] <pwnguin> but you can be on xorg and not xorg 7.x
[10:18] <opopanax> pwnguin, um, yeah.
[10:19] <opopanax> is dapper lts on xorg <7
[10:24] <opop> yep
[10:36] <Ind[y] > Where is the dhclient init script? I want to add a flag to dhclient.
[10:37] <opop> ok, dist-upgrade borked.
[10:37] <opop> on unzoo
[10:38] <opop> hmmm
[10:38] <opop> doing an update first
[10:38] <Ind[y] > (I mean, I want to find where is the script that launches dhclient.)
[10:42] <opop> indy:  should be a boot service, but only launched if called for in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:42] <opop> right?
[10:44] <Ind[y] > opop: Actually, I get tons of messages at boot, from NetworkManager (at the TTYs), and I want to disable these messages. I suppose dhclient prints them, so I want to find the script that launches it, and add the -q flag to dhclient.
[10:48] <opop> try ifup
[10:48] <opop> that might contain it.
[10:48] <opop> sorry, not super-familiar with the debian boot process yet.
[10:49] <Ind[y] > opop: ok. thanks.
[10:49] <opop> what's dhcdbd?
[10:50] <Ind[y] > Actually I found dhclient's configuration file. Can I add a flag to dhclient from there?
[10:50] <opop> man dhclient
[10:50] <opop> or dhclient.conf
[10:52] <opop> oh, the new sudo dialog is kinda nice
[10:52] <opop> there's no script-name in /etc/ containing the name dhclient, if that helps.
[10:54] <Ind[y] > opop: I found /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf but I don't know how to tell it to add a flag to dhclient, every time it starts.
[10:55] <opop> are you sure you want to?
[10:57] <opop> -q is just quiet, right?
[10:57] <Ind[y] > Yes
[10:57] <Ind[y] > But how can I add this flag (I don't start dhclient manually)?
[10:57] <opop> i would think a lot of output from dhclient would be bug-related, wouldn't you?
[10:58] <opop> something you'd want to resolve, not muzzle.
[10:58] <opop> you'd have to find the script that's calling it.
[10:58] <Ind[y] > opop: Actually, -q quiets the non-bug-related messages.
[10:58] <Ind[y] > Only the info ones.
[10:59] <Ind[y] > opop: I know, that's what I am saying from the begining :P
[10:59] <opop> ifup is in binary, so you really can't edit that.
[10:59] <opop> getcha
[10:59] <Ind[y] > Sorry?
[10:59] <opop> gotcha
[10:59] <Ind[y] > (I bet you found it)
[10:59] <opop> /etc/init.d/networking doesn't call it directly.
[10:59] <opop> no, didn't find it.
[10:59] <Ind[y] > :P
[11:00] <Ind[y] > opop: I suppose that someone here knows it. There are many developers here, after all.
[11:01] <opop> yah.
[11:01] <opop> sorry i couldn't help.  pretty sure ifup calls it, though.
[11:01] <Ind[y] > opop: OK, never mind. Thanks a lot, though :-)
[11:14] <opop> bad image index on synaptic and eog, any ideas?
[11:20] <opop> ok, great, just a bad file.  it's gone now.
[11:21] <opop> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/125260
[11:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125260 in apport "Dist upgrade in up-to-date Gutsy reports errors" [Undecided,Invalid]
[11:24] <opop> rebooting into gutsy.  wish me luck.  (removing xorg.conf just for kicks, see what happens.)
[11:39] <opopanax> ok, everything seems to be ok, but my beryl install is borked.
[11:39] <opopanax> compiz isn't starting
[11:40] <opopanax> emerald isn't doing it's thing properly.
[11:40] <opopanax> as far as window decorations.
[11:40] <opopanax> hmmm.
[11:57] <Sebastian> Why does my screen suddenly turn greenish/blueish instead of black when X starts before GDM shows itself?
[12:00] <askand> Am im the only one that cant use iconthemes from gnomelook in gutsy?
[12:28] <blackdiamond_> Hi guys! Sorry if my english language is not really correct. But I'll try to do my best. I use ubuntu 7.04. On a partition on my pc I would like to test Gutsy. I try to do that, but in the new partition, internet connection doesn't work. There is no way to connect the modem. My modem is D-Link. It can be a problem of kernel? What can I do? I would like to get involved in testing Gutsy Gibbon. Thanks
[12:29] <jussi01> blackdiamond_: I suggest you wait for a while before using gutsy. there are still a lot of broken things and it isnt ready for peole who dont know exactly what they are doing
[12:30] <askand> Am im the only one that cant use iconthemes from gnomelook in gutsy?
[12:31] <blackdiamond_> @Jussi01. The problem is that i always use to report bugs etc..I don't have problem to test this sort of things.. The only problem is that there is no way to connect to internet. thanks
[12:32] <blackdiamond_> but i don't know what is the real problem
[12:35] <jussi01> blackdiamond_: ok, how did you connect the modem in 7.04?
[12:40] <blackdiamond_> @Jussi01. From terminal pppoeconf
[12:41] <blackdiamond_> system -->network --> ethernet etc.. and it works
[12:50] <jussi01> blackdiamond_: excellent :)
[12:51] <blackdiamond_> do you think that is the new kernel of GUtsy that do not support my modem?
[02:52] <ekso> hey,  on gutsy tribe 3, where do i find the restricted drivers module?
[02:55] <xstasi> anyone knows what are the feisty-proposed repos?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ekso: restricted-manager?  you have to install it
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ekso: it's a bug, it's subsequently been fixed.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> xstasi: feisty --> #ubuntu
[03:01] <xstasi> well noone knows about that on #ubuntu
[03:01] <xstasi> :)
[03:02] <ekso> Hobbsee: it's installed on synaptic, but I can't find it anywhere (neither the command to run it on a terminal)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> xstasi: copy the feisty-updates line of your sources list, adn adapt it to be feisty proposed.
[03:02] <xstasi> yeah, i didn't ask how to use them
[03:02] <xstasi> i asked what are they
[03:02] <xstasi> :P
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ekso: are you talking about linux-*-modules, or restricted-manager?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> xstasi: oh, i misread
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !sru | xstasi
[03:03] <ubotu> xstasi: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> !proposed
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proposed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <xstasi> mh.. sru uh?
[03:03] <xstasi> :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> xstasi: see the sru stuff - the proposed updates to a stable release go to -proposed
[03:03] <xstasi> Hobbsee, IIRC, you are a MOTU..
[03:03] <Hobbsee> xstasi: and a core dev, yes.
[03:03] <xstasi> i'm downloading gutsy right now
[03:03] <xstasi> so i haven't tried it yet
[03:04] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> you wont need feisty-proposed then
[03:04] <xstasi> Upgrading from Feisty
[03:04] <xstasi> If you upgrade from feisty, please make sure that you have update-manager 0.59.23 from feisty-proposed installed. Then run "update-manager -d".
[03:04] <xstasi> that's why i wondered
[03:04] <xstasi> :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:04] <xstasi> anyway
[03:04] <Hobbsee> it's the test repository, basically
[03:04] <xstasi> i had an idea, maybe you already did it..
[03:04] <xstasi> how about using the new debian-installer for the alternate?
[03:04] <xstasi> the one in gtkfb
[03:05] <xstasi> it would be really cool..
[03:05] <Hobbsee> i didnt do it
[03:05] <Hobbsee> cjwatson would know, i'd be surprised if we didnt already.
[03:05] <xstasi> i'd like to avoi
[03:05] <Hobbsee> depends when it came out, etc
[03:05] <xstasi> i'd like to avoid wasting both bandwidth and cds
[03:05] <xstasi> to burn an iso
[03:06] <xstasi> that's why i ask you instead of trying by myself
[03:06] <xstasi> :p
[03:06] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:07] <Hobbsee> if you have a look at the changelog, it should tell you.
[03:07] <ekso> is there a way to run the restricted-modules GUI from the terminal?
[03:07] <mendred> hullo Hobbsee..long time no see
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hi mendred
[03:08] <xstasi> ekso, sudo restricted-manager, i guess
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ekso: sure, type restriced-modules
[03:08] <Hobbsee> er, what xstasi said
[03:08] <Hobbsee> that's waht i *meant* to type
[03:09] <ekso> nope... restricted-manager not found
[03:09] <ekso> and lrm-manager exists, but doesn't open anything :?
[03:10] <xstasi> dpkg -L restricted-manager | grep bin/
[03:10] <xstasi> try this :P
[03:10] <ekso> AF
[03:10] <ekso> thanks!! :D
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ekso: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy restricted-manager'?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> oh, you found it
[03:11] <ekso> yes, it wasn't installed. i thought it was (LINUX-restrict-modules-* was)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ah, so i was right in my suspicion
[03:12] <xstasi> Hobbsee, anyway
[03:12] <xstasi> where should i check for that d-i thing again?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> changelogs.ubuntu.com
[03:21] <xstasi> Hobbsee, how many strange named files..
[03:22] <xstasi> :P
[03:22] <xstasi> is there useful info?
[03:23] <xstasi> anyway, update-manager -d says nothing.. is the wiki info correct?
[03:23] <xstasi> because i'm about to sed -e "s/feisty/gutsy/g" on sources.list
[03:23] <xstasi> :P
[03:24] <igorgue> Does anybody have a working vmware server?
[03:34] <xsacha> updated from adept_updater today and now my mouse seems to double click whenever i press left mouse button
[03:34] <yellow_chicken> beta use alsa 1.0.14rc4 or final release?
[03:35] <yellow_chicken> gutsy beta use alsa 1.0.14rc4 or final release?
[03:37] <yellow_chicken> can someone help, i installed 1.0.14 on ubuntu 7.04.  when i go youtube.com and watch like 3 videos, the sound screws up.  the sound chug a little and screws up
[03:38] <igorgue> it have gutsy and it says 1.0.14
[03:38] <igorgue> no rc4
[03:40] <igorgue> yellow_chicken, it says 1.0.14-1
[03:40] <igorgue> i think is rc1
[03:40] <yellow_chicken> oh no
[03:40] <yellow_chicken> i was using rc4
[03:41] <igorgue> :S
[03:41] <yellow_chicken> but i just switch to final release. but sound still screw up
[03:41] <igorgue> btw, I can see youtube all day and no sound problems
[03:43] <yellow_chicken> well, for me this machine, plays sound.  then at some point, it just keep on playing the same note over and over again. and tottally crashes, and a reboot is needed to fix
[03:43] <yellow_chicken> it
[03:53] <xstasi> Hobbsee, can i pm?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> xstasi: you can, but i'm not really here at the moment.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> !backports | xstasi
[03:57] <ubotu> xstasi: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[03:57] <xstasi> thx
[04:17] <xstasi> !help
[04:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:47] <PriceChild> hmm the new xchat loads old logs when you start up
[04:55] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, oh? as in, in the scrollback?
[04:55] <PriceChild> Yeah
[04:55] <elkbuntu> sweeeeeet!
[04:55] <PriceChild> Haha :)
[04:56] <PriceChild> do I get a prize for telling you about it?
[04:56] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, a hug if we ever meet again
[04:56] <PriceChild> wooo
[04:56] <PriceChild> and then you can see my question in -ops in the scrollback when you reboot :)
[05:00] <elkbuntwo> ohmigawd. it really does!
[05:01] <PriceChild> haha I wasn't lying :D
[05:01] <PriceChild> I wish xchat had an easy way to change the amount of scrollback you have though...
[05:01] <PriceChild> I think it means editing a file or two before compiling
[05:02] <elkbuntwo> btw, you were saying yesterday you disliked the new tree view?
[05:02] <elkbuntwo> i cant see any difference other than the little lines
[05:15] <sn0> PriceChild it does?
[05:15] <sn0> settings > prefernces > interface > text input > scrollback lines
[05:17] <elkbuntwo> zomg, PriceChild, we also finally get a gnome where we can drag and drop our panel tabs into order!
[05:33] <sn0> does anyone else notice a blue/green screen appearing, for about half a second, before GDM kicks in? on latest updates
[05:34] <elkbuntu> sn0, yes. they've merged the new debian gdm in, and it wasnt trivial so there'll be a few quirks like that
[05:34] <sn0> ohh righty, reminded me of the default background on windows 95/98 :o
[05:34] <elkbuntu> hehe, it's actually from the debian-moreblue theme iirc
[05:34] <sn0> :>
[05:35] <elkbuntu> the gdm greeter was debian-moreblue for a short while
[05:37] <sn0> i haven't seen it
[05:42] <webjames> sn0 i had that
[05:42] <webjames> then an error about debian-moreblue, then it went to a different login screen
[05:43] <sn0> bug 118657
[05:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118657 in gdm "default background colour is blue in gutsy" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118657
[05:43] <PriceChild> sn0, wooo thanks for that
[05:43] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, yeah... I don't like the little lines :P
[05:43] <sn0> yw PriceChild :-) it drove me mad too
[05:44] <webjames> little lines?
[05:44] <sn0> ctrl+l lines?
[05:44] <sn0> first time i seen those i thought there was a spider on my screen
[05:45] <sn0> ctrl+l = clear lol
[05:45] <webjames> i haven't got any lines?
[05:52] <sn0> webjames im settings > preferences > interface > text box > there is a 'show marker line'
[05:52] <sn0> ahh too late ;]
[06:41] <opopanax> interesting....  the flashplugin-nonfree dpkg-reconfigure script deletes /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree prior to attempting to unpack flash into it.
[06:43] <opopanax> ...but only when re-configuring...
[06:44] <opopanax> worked fine with a --reinstall
[06:53] <opopanax> k, how to get compiz working properly......removed beryl and attendant packages
[06:53] <opopanax> have to do it after baseball.  go mariners!
[07:37] <masterloki> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201069609639%201305520548%20106790703%201067918816&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16814141057%2CN82E16814136008%2CN82E16814141038%2CN82E16814141038R%2CN82E16814141057R
[07:38] <databuddy> masterloki: ok looking ^^
[07:42] <masterloki> ok
[07:43] <databuddy> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141038R
[07:43] <databuddy> thats the one i'm voting for
[07:43] <databuddy> but double check its got the adaptor for the monitor
[07:43] <databuddy> i think i have an extra one lying around anyway tho
[07:45] <databuddy> yeah i got an extra dvi-i to vga i'm sure of it
[07:46] <masterloki> databuddy are you talk about the dvi to avg adaptor
[07:47] <databuddy> avg?
[07:47] <databuddy> no.
[07:47] <databuddy> dvi to vga
[07:47] <databuddy> o yeah
[07:47] <databuddy> yes.
[07:48] <masterloki> I have one so if it does not have one I can use mines
[07:49] <databuddy> yeah
[07:49] <databuddy> that particular package comes with only the vid card - nothing else with it - thats basically what oem means on those
[07:50] <masterloki> ok
[07:50] <databuddy> so no disks or anything - but it works out of the box with win and *nix - and can dl the drivers easily enough
[07:50] <databuddy> and look at the features at the bottom - has uuberloads
[07:51] <masterloki> ? uuberloads
[07:52] <databuddy> lots and lots and lots :P
[07:54] <masterloki> ok
[07:54] <masterloki> :)
[07:54] <masterloki> ummm good
[09:20] <soothsayer> Does systemtap work on Gutsy without having to compiling kernels?
[09:23] <crimsun> it does.
[09:23] <xstasi> so
[09:23] <crimsun> You need to install the debug image and systemtap packages and create a symlink by hand,
[09:23] <xstasi> is there a recommended way to upgrade?
[09:23] <xstasi> i'd sed -e "s/feisty/gutsy/g" on sources.list and then apt-get up{date,grade}
[09:24] <soothsayer> crimsun: Alright thanks. The debug image wasn't available on Feisty right?
[09:24] <xstasi> but i've seen stuff involving a so called update manager
[09:24] <soothsayer> crimsun: (The particular debug image needed for full functionality in systemtap)
[09:24] <crimsun> soothsayer: it is.
[09:25] <xstasi> !upgrade
[09:25] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:25] <boris55> is there any reason that the mysql versions for ubuntu is so far behind other distros exxpecailly from the repsos?
[09:25] <xstasi> mh
[09:25] <xstasi> not what i was looking for
[09:26] <crimsun> xstasi: dist-upgrade after update, not upgrade.
[09:26] <xstasi> mh
[09:26] <xstasi> so that's the best way?
[09:26] <crimsun> xstasi: it's one way.
[09:26] <xstasi> mh kay
[09:26] <xstasi> :D
[09:26] <xstasi> because the wiki said to issue update-manager -d
[09:26] <xstasi> which is similar to dist-upgrade
[09:26] <xstasi> but the list of upgradables was empty.. :)
[09:26] <xstasi> i assume i'll have to do that way
[09:27] <crimsun> boris55: what are you talking about?
[09:27] <crimsun>   Candidate: 5.0.45-1
[09:27] <crimsun> http://mysql.org/downloads/mysql/5.0.html#downloads
[09:27] <crimsun> they're identical for the most recent stable release.
[09:28] <boris55> from the apt application.
[09:29] <crimsun> what about it?
[09:29] <crimsun> it's definitely the latest.
[09:29] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca/637304
[09:29] <boris55> ok, I'll check again.
[09:30] <boris55> thanks.  I see it.
[09:51] <ryanakca> [!!]  Install the base system          Debootstrap Error          Failed to determine the codename for the release.    <Continue>              (Ubuntu Server 7.10.. yesterday's build... amd64)
[09:52] <ryanakca> Is there any way to manually pass the codename/version to debootstrap?
[11:05] <napsy_> why does evolution suck in latest updates?
[11:09] <AnRkey> napsy_, what is it doing?
[11:09] <napsy_> when I got new mail it starts to consume 100% cpu
[11:11] <AnRkey> hmm
[11:11] <AnRkey> it is beta so...
[11:11] <AnRkey> report it :D
[11:11] <napsy_> ok
[11:11] <AnRkey> evo normally gives me a nut ache when i use it with the exchange plugin
[11:12] <AnRkey> i seem to be alone with my dislike for the app
[11:13] <AnRkey> ok outa here
[11:13] <AnRkey> bf2 time
[11:27] <DanaG> WTF happened to CCSM?  The animations properties page is now horridly confusing!
[11:28] <DanaG> I mean, what is "4"?  Or "7"?
[11:28] <DanaG> For animation type.
[11:30] <DanaG> I mean, imagine if all the buttons in your car were labeled only with numbers, and there was nothing anywhere to indicate what those numbers meant?
[11:37] <geser> DanaG: I see this too after the last compiz update
[11:38] <geser> I guess the number specifies the type of animation but I don't have the mapping between number and animation
[12:01] <DanaG> I wish they'd bring back the checkboxes (wow, what a concept!) from Beryl's settings manager.


[00:54] <pabelanger> Anybody have a good example of how to setup and configure wanna-build?  I'd like to try my hand a creating a local build farm
[01:21] <ebroder> pabelanger: i think that knowledge is largely contained in the heads of the debian buildd maintainers
[01:21] <ebroder> at least, that was the conclusion i came to the last time i looked at wanna-build
[01:24] <pabelanger> ebroder: Ya, documentation looks to be limited. Thanks
[01:30] <bdrung> tumbleweed: pushed
[01:30] <bdrung> tumbleweed: remaining: http://paste.debian.net/105349/
[01:31] <bdrung> tumbleweed: 1) which SEE ALSOs do you want?
[01:31] <bdrung> tumbleweed: 2) i don't get what you want to tell me.
[01:32] <bdrung> tumbleweed: 3) only perl and shell scripts should be left (or are the remaining python scripts?).
[01:32] <pabelanger> ebroder: Ya, wanna-build seems to be pretty specific to Debian. May just skip using it
[04:56] <Rcart> Hello. If i want to send a patch to debian, i just need to include the debian/newpatch.patch content in the submittodebian utility?
[09:07] <tumbleweed> bdrung: err, whoops re len(). 1) I think all the distro-info commands should SEE ALSO each other. 2) I don't like code paths that use exception handling for normal operation.
[09:12] <tumbleweed> bdrung: 2a) the perl and bash scripts still hardcode release names
[10:38] <bdrung> tumbleweed: 2) ok, how should i do the conversion then?
[10:39] <tumbleweed> parts = x.split('-'); if len(parts) == 2: ...
[11:06] <bdrung> tumbleweed: pushed fix for 1) and 2)
[11:06] <bdrung> tumbleweed: feel free to convert the remaining  perl and bash scripts
[11:14] <evaluate> dapal, ping?
[12:22] <m4n1sh> have a question
[12:22] <m4n1sh> for changelog line
[12:22] <m4n1sh> zeitgeist (0.7-0ubuntu1~0ppa1~maverick) maverick; urgency=low
[12:22] <m4n1sh> what should be the name of the orig file?
[12:22] <m4n1sh> zeitgeist_0.7-0ubuntu1~0ppa1~maverick.orig.tar.gz ?
[12:23] <geser> zeitgeist_0.7.orig.tar.gz
[12:23] <geser> the part after the - is the package revision
[12:24] <m4n1sh> geser: thanks a lot :0
[12:24] <m4n1sh> :)
[14:11] <bdrung> tumbleweed: when do you update your builder branch?
[14:38] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i would like to review your branch, merge it, and release u-d-t
[15:47] <tumbleweed> bdrung: next couple of days, I guess, although testing builders tends to be quite a bit of work
[15:53] <bdrung> tumbleweed: or should i just release the current state?
[15:54] <tumbleweed> one sec, let me push something
[16:00] <bdrung> tumbleweed: that was not an answer to my question. ;)
[16:00] <tumbleweed> well, that was preliminary, partly-unrelated work
[16:01] <tumbleweed> I can probably also deal with the remaining hardcoded distros quite quickly (I have existing, outdated patches), which does leave as at a good point for a release
[16:02] <bdrung> tumbleweed: Logger.error("Error: You don't own $HOME") -> error twice
[16:03] <tumbleweed> thanks
[16:07] <bdrung> tumbleweed: then let's fix the hardcoded distros and release u-d-t
[16:08] <tumbleweed> bdrung: pull-debian-source is just begging to be re-done in python now that we have existing library functions for most of it
[16:09] <ari-tczew> bdrung: what is the libkivi used for?
[16:09] <tumbleweed> bdrung: so, shall we make pbuilder-dist-simple say it's deprecated?
[16:09] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes
[16:09] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Why would we do that?
[16:09] <tumbleweed> ScottK: why do we need to maintain it and pbuilder-dist?
[16:10] <bdrung> ScottK: does pbuilder-dist-simple has any gain over pbuilder-dist?
[16:10] <ScottK> tumbleweed: It's simple.  pbuilder-dist has been broken in the archive more than once.
[16:10] <ScottK> It shouldn't need a lot of maintenance.
[16:11] <ScottK> bdrung: It's simple.  That's it's entire point.  pbuilder-dist is very complex.
[16:11] <bdrung> ScottK: but it does.
[16:11] <tumbleweed> ScottK: ok, but then it stays as simple as it is, and it doesn't get support for Debian (there's an open bug either requesting that, or removal of the statement that it does support debian)
[16:12] <ScottK> tumbleweed: I'd be fine with removing the statement that it does.
[16:12] <ScottK> It staying simple is pretty much it's entire point.
[16:13] <tumbleweed> ScottK: seems fair, I've just never personally felt the need fo rit
[16:30] <bdrung> ari-tczew: for formatting sizes in bytes for displaying. e.g. 1234567 bytes -> "1.23 MB"
[16:33] <ari-tczew> bdrung: aha ok
[17:49] <bdrung> tumbleweed: which scripts needs the *distro-info update?
[17:52] <tumbleweed> bdrung: according to my previous branch: dch-repeat, pull-debian-source, reverse-build-depends
[17:58] <bdrung> tumbleweed: ETA?
[18:00] <tumbleweed> bdrung: this evening, I'll have a shot at it now.
[18:13] <ari-tczew> how can I fix this FTBFS? http://paste.ubuntu.com/556891/
[18:14] <Bachstelze> ari-tczew: same old thing, thel* flags must be at the end of the command
[18:14] <Bachstelze> they're probably added to LDFLAGS instead of LIBS
[18:14] <Bachstelze> the -l* flags*
[18:14] <Bachstelze> hmm
[18:14] <Bachstelze> they are at the end actually
[18:15] <Bachstelze> but the -L* and -I* must be at the beginning
[18:15] <Bachstelze> line 12
[18:16] <geser> the -lXext must be at the end as -lnvcontrol needs it
[18:32] <ari-tczew> geser: I added -lXext at the end of LIBS at the same result. :(
[18:33] <geser> the same amount of errors or less?
[18:34] <ari-tczew> geser: Yes.
[18:36] <ari-tczew> Package has got this patch before: http://pastebin.com/Adx4Pj7e
[18:36] <ari-tczew> many hacks with CFLAGS
[18:49] <Bachstelze> ari-tczew: the patch is wrong, see line 248 for example
[18:49] <Bachstelze> -L* flags belong in LDFLAGS, not LIBS
[18:49] <Bachstelze> LIBS is for -l* flags
[18:51] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: where do you see changed LDFLAGS in this patch?
[18:52] <ari-tczew> to be clear: this is not my patch. it's in Debian.
[18:52] <Bachstelze> yes, I know
[18:52] <Bachstelze> and yes, it doesn't change LDFLAGS, that's the point
[18:52] <Bachstelze> it should, -L* flags go in LDFLAGS, not LIBS
[18:52] <Bachstelze> it puts them in LIBS
[18:52] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: now you're wrong
[18:53] <ari-tczew> we change LIBS to fix FTBFS with bintuils
[18:53] <ari-tczew> binutils *
[18:53] <udienz> ari-tczew, or LDADD
[18:53] <udienz> avoid to use *FLAGS
[18:58] <ari-tczew> udienz: it seems nvclock doesn't have LDADD
[18:59] <tumbleweed> bdrung: took the easy approach in pull-debian-source, see pull-debian-source-py branch. (supper, brb)
[19:09] <udienz> ari-tczew, hm.. if not having LD/LIBADD usually adding in LIBS
[19:10] <ari-tczew> udienz: the bug is this big patch in Debian
[19:10] <ari-tczew> I sent an e-mail to author about fixing.
[19:10] <ari-tczew> udienz: btw. how about firestarter debdiff?
[19:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: the copyright line is missing in the python script
[19:11] <udienz> ari-tczew, hehe, i still works in firestarter. i'm waiting until my emails back
[19:11] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i recommend to change from optparse import OptionParser -> import optparse
[19:12] <udienz> ari-tczew, doko fixing nvclock yet. he adding X11 in LIB
[19:13] <ari-tczew> udienz: you should improve your english
[19:13] <ari-tczew> you're still working on firestarter
[19:13] <udienz> hehe
[19:13] <ari-tczew> and doko fixED ftbfs on nvclock
[19:14] <ari-tczew> yes, he fixed by adding X11 to LIBS, but in our package
[19:14] <ari-tczew> I'm merging nvclock with Debian unstable
[19:14] <ari-tczew> there are big changes
[19:14] <ari-tczew> so his patch is useless on Debian
[19:16] <udienz> ari-tczew, yes i see doko patch di BTS. he send at Jan 11th
[19:17] <ari-tczew> udienz: I have to repeat: his patch is useless
[19:17] <bdrung> tumbleweed: 3) are the downloaded files verified?
[19:18] <udienz> ari-tczew, maybe one or two days again i will send firestarted debdiff. my hdd is full :(
[19:18] <tumbleweed> bdrung: pull() does that for us
[19:19] <bdrung> tumbleweed: good. only these two points and then you can push it into trunk
[19:22] <tumbleweed> bdrung: landed
[19:26] <bdrung> tumbleweed: remaining: dch-repeat and reverse-build-depends
[19:26] <tumbleweed> yup
[20:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: can i release now or is there still something in the pipe?
[20:05] <tumbleweed> bdrung: that's all I've got
[20:05] <tumbleweed> bdrung: so go ahead :)
[20:14] <bdrung> tumbleweed: uploaded
[20:15] <tumbleweed> bdrung: now we wait for bug reports :)
[20:15] <bdrung> :)
[20:42] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i am fast. :P bug #706403
[23:12] <ari-tczew> mr_pouit: ping
[23:21] <ari-tczew> if any core-dev has a time, would be nice to review bug 701182 and bug 701182
[23:22] <ari-tczew> err, second bug 695005
[23:39] <ari-tczew> slangasek: around?


[01:50] <PriceChild> *head desks*
[01:55] <jrib> PriceChild: hmm?
[01:56] <PriceChild> livingdaylight
[01:56] <jrib> heh, that's one of the reasons I choose to take some people to -classroom
[01:57] <PriceChild> he doesn't deserve it
[01:57] <PriceChild> that guy isn't a newcomer...
[01:58] <PriceChild> Time for bed :D
[01:59] <PriceChild> and why is he in #ubuntu-es?!
[02:00] <PriceChild> He's almost definitely a native english speaker, and has a .uk hostname... *really going now*
[02:39] <Ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:33] <nicio> Tm_P: is there?
[03:40] <atbnet> Can I be 'tested' so I can rejoin unbuntu?
[03:48] <mneptok> atbnet: you pass. one moment please.
[03:50] <atbnet> good, I'm tired of being a failure
[03:50] <mneptok> you shourd be good to go
[03:50] <mneptok> s/r/l/
[03:51] <atbnet> thanks
[04:15] <Ubotu> In Ubotu, RAOF said: !nouveau is <reply>Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[04:15] <RAOF> Let's try this one more time!
[04:37] <jrib> !nouveau
[04:37] <Ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nouveau - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <jrib> !nouveau is foo
[04:37] <Ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jrib said: !nouveau is foo
[04:37] <j-dizzle> haha
[04:37] <jrib> ...
[04:37] <jrib> %login
[04:37] <jrib> !nouveau is foo
[04:37] <Ubotu> But nouveau already means something else!
[04:37] <j-dizzle> LOL
[04:37] <jrib> yep, still broken
[04:37] <j-dizzle> I see why you fear him
[04:38] <jrib> Seveas: when you get a chance, can you take a look at the "nouveau" factoid, it seems broken
[04:38] <Jucato> search nouveau
[04:38] <Jucato> !search nouveau
[04:38] <Ubotu> Found: nouveau*
[04:38] <jrib> interesting
[04:38] <jrib> !nouveau*
[04:38] <Ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nouveau* - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <jrib> !forget nouveau*
[04:39] <Ubotu> I know nothing about nouveau* yet, jrib
[04:39] <jrib> or not
[04:39] <nicio> lol
[04:39] <nicio> new
[04:39] <nicio> ?
[04:39] <nicio> Tm_P: are u there?
[04:39] <nicio> Tm_P: what do i have to do to be unban?
[04:51] <Jucato> O.o
[04:56] <nicio> lol
[04:56] <jrib> :?
[04:58] <nalioth> looks like a bot uprising, jrib
[05:06] <xp_killer> what do i have to do to get unbanned?
[05:12] <nalioth> xp_killer: quit getting banned is a good start
[05:13] <xp_killer> i stop
[05:13] <nalioth> "because you've run out of channels to get banned in" doesn't count
[05:13] <xp_killer> nalioth: i was banned since 1day and a half
[05:15] <xp_killer> nalioth: i didnt receave the help i needed so i reinstall linux and they ban me again because they say i evade the ban
[05:15] <xp_killer> foutois
[05:18] <nalioth> the ops who set the bans will have to remove them.  they've seen your request.
[05:19] <xp_killer> nalioth: im going to reinstall linux again.im having problems no one helpin
[05:20] <nalioth> xp_killer: have you asked in #ubuntu-fr /
[05:20] <xp_killer> no
[05:21] <xp_killer> i dont want help again google is my only helper than this place
[05:23] <nalioth> try asking in #ubuntu-fr
[06:29] <orion> Just got kicked off #ubuntu with, what I believe is the DCCE exploit.  Changed port to 8001.  Can I be tested to rejoin #ubuntu? thanks.
[06:32] <nalioth> hi orion
[06:32] <nalioth> let's see
[06:33] <orion> hey nalioth
[06:34] <nalioth> ok, orion you can rejoin #ubuntu now and thanks for putting up with us  :)
[06:34] <orion> No problem...
[06:34] <orion> thanks
[09:43] <jussi01> hmmm, you need to be op to invite someone into an invite only channel...correct?
[09:44] <Myrtti> correct
[09:44] <jussi01> thanks :P
[10:12] <elkbuntu> jussi01, unless the channel is set for all to invite, but that's little known and less often used
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i'm being quieried by random people again
[12:56] <Hobbsee> not ops in #ubuntu?  check.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> in channels that this guy is in.  hmm.  not ops in any of them?  check.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> strange IP address.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i think the guy in +1 is a troll :(
[01:00] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: jonathan?  he's the one above
[01:00] <gnomefreak> yeah him
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:01] <Hobbsee> either that, or he's an idiot.
[01:01] <gnomefreak> lol true could go either way
[01:03] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:11] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[02:13] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-bots
[04:31] <Pici> jrib: ping
[04:31] <jrib> Pici: hey
[04:32] <Pici> jrib: remember terlmann? you kicked him yesterday for suggesting an upgrade path from hoary->feisty?
[04:33] <jrib> Yes, I kicked him for continuing to suggest it after I explained it was unsupported
[04:33] <Pici> jrib: Hes was in #u+1 in a few minutes ago trying to get it approved and now is in #u-devel complaining about it.
[04:33] <mc44> eh, I've seen people suggest warty to gutsy :P
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Pici: oh, is that what he's going to do?
[04:33] <mc44> yep, should be fun
[04:34] <Hobbsee> good thing i can remove him from there
[04:38] <Pici> I can't get past the part where he says that this would just be a policy and not a code-fix.
[04:39] <mc44> ok, he's definitely nuts
[04:39] <Hobbsee> thanks for briging this up in here
[04:59] <neverblue> Star Wars fans: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[04:59] <neverblue> have a good day :)
[04:59] <Amaranth> ...
[05:00] <Amaranth> probably been on the internet longer than him
[05:00] <pleia2> no doubt
[05:00] <jussi01> in +1
[05:01] <Pici> again
[05:01] <jussi01> thanks Seveas
[05:02] <mc44> pfft, everyone knows the god of Ubuntu is a giant brown south african penguin
[05:03] <neverblue> obviously its just a fun link
[05:03] <neverblue> sorry to offend
[05:03] <neverblue> Amaranth, please accept my apology
[05:05] <Amaranth> neverblue: just don't do drive-by link spam :)
[05:05] <Amaranth> neverblue: if you would have stayed we could have told you "pfft, old" and had a laugh ;)
[05:05] <Pici> Especially in the channel with all the ops ;).
[05:06] <neverblue> :P
[05:06] <neverblue> you all need a good laugh
[05:06] <neverblue> :)
[05:06] <neverblue> k, well have a good day
[05:30] <PriceChild> NovaTel81, Is there anything that I can help you with?
[05:30] <PriceChild> (to anyone else, has he done anything since joining?)
[05:31] <Pici> PriceChild: lastlog shows a join 11 hours ago and nothing else.
[05:43] <PriceChild> I wonder what he's up to...
[05:44] <Pumpernickel> Probably just a user who wanted to see how things worked here.
[05:45] <PriceChild> Pumpernickel, he's joined here dozens of times, even if one of us has asked him a minute after a join then still no reply... and the tor is a little off
[05:46] <gnomefreak> he was banned from somewhere before i went to hospital
[05:46] <gnomefreak> if you mean dgjones
[05:47] <Seveas> Novatel81
[05:47] <gnomefreak> or im thinking someone else
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:07] <PriceChild> Seveas, http://blogs.ubuntu-nl.org/dennis/2007/09/13/festival-is-evil/ you've got apt-get install festival festival
[06:07] <Pici> Maybe he doesn't trust apt-get to get it the first time around
[06:08] <Seveas> PriceChild, no I don't ;)
[06:12] <gnomefreak> festival festvox-kallpc16k
[06:12] <gnomefreak> i guess 2 packages that should depend on eachother?
[06:12] <gnomefreak> if both are needed *
[06:15] <Seveas> festvox-kallpc16k depends on festival
[06:20] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:45] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:01] <PriceChild> I'm off climbing wooooo :D
[08:03] <Pici> woo
[08:05] <taller1> hola
[10:49] <mc44> Don't worry, I've banned mneptok from #hispants. We can all sleep safer at night
[11:17] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: i didnt see the meeting on my calendar ill see if it needs updating but it has meetings into oct.
[11:17] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, hmm?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[11:17] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 17 Sep 08:00: IRC Council | 18 Sep 12:00: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 20 Sep 08:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Sep 08:00: MOTU Team
[11:18] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: i have sunbird subscribed to fridge
[11:18] <gnomefreak> and its not showing it
[11:18] <PriceChild> ahh
[11:18] <gnomefreak> hm
[11:18] <gnomefreak> its there
[11:18] <gnomefreak> let me see if i can fix this
[11:20] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[11:30] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: sorry seems like a bug in sunbird ill look at it this week :(
[11:30] <PriceChild> hehe k :)
[11:31] <PriceChild> I think I've got evolution "watching" the fridge so woo :)
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ha found it
[11:52] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I'm right here, stop searching
[11:53] <Tm_T> I'm not dead yet
[11:53] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: :)
[11:55] <Tm_T> how many graves you did open during searches?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i found alot of non end-user freindly options
[11:56] <Tm_T> in graves?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> i need to see how many i can hold now search for icals begins here


[05:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.44.4-0ubuntu1]
[05:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.6.17]
[07:18] <rs2009> sil2100: would be great if you could merge this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rs2009/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/429863
[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (jammy-backports/universe) [276-1~bpo22.04.1 => 276.1-1~bpo22.04.1] (no packageset)
[09:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (jammy-backports) [276.1-1~bpo22.04.1]
[09:09] <ricotz> hello :), I noticed the jammy 20220906 daily-live iso ships with enabled -proposed. I am hoping this is not intentional?
[09:18] <sil2100> ricotz: hey! Daily images for stable series are always built with -proposed enabled
[09:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted wireplumber [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.4.11-4]
[09:20]  * rs2009 pings sil2100 - "would be great if you could merge this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rs2009/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/429863"
[09:20] <sil2100> rs2009: eek! Yes yes, looking now, I'm only on IRC with one eye right now due to meeting
[09:21] <ricotz> sil2100, hi, I see, I guess I missed that in the past :\
[09:22] <rs2009> sil2100: ah sure :) also, would be great if you could update the ubuntu-unity-desktop package (I updated the seed just now). won't disturb you again ;)
[09:23] <sil2100> rs2009: ah, refreshing it? Sure o/
[09:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lttng-modules [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.10.8-1ubuntu2~18.04.4]
[09:42] <sil2100> rs2009: meta updated and pushed to kinetic
[09:48] <rs2009> sil2100: ah thanks :) also, I made a few changes in the MP just now
[10:20] <RikMills> sil2100: hi, any chance of an ack on LP: #1989263
[10:20] <RikMills> thanks if you have time
[12:40] <rs2009> sil2100: could you also run the ISO build after merging the branch?
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ntirpc [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [4.0-2] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ntirpc [arm64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [4.0-2] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ntirpc [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed/main) [4.0-2] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ntirpc [armhf] (kinetic-proposed/main) [4.0-2] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ntirpc [s390x] (kinetic-proposed/main) [4.0-2] (no packageset)
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: nautilus-dropbox (kinetic-proposed/primary) [2019.02.14-1ubuntu2]
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ntirpc [riscv64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [4.0-2] (no packageset)
[13:21] <sil2100> rs2009: ok, now reviewing, sorry for the wait o/
[13:23] <rs2009> sil2100: np and thanks o/
[13:26] <sil2100> rs2009: I might be a bit out of the loop here, what's the status on getting a live task for ubuntu-unity?
[13:27] <rs2009> sil2100: I did ask _vorlon_, and neither of us are aware of how to create one (even though the live seed does exist)
[13:30] <sil2100> hmm, since we generally probably want to stop using tasks, wonder if we can use a metapackage for the live parts as well hmmm
[13:30] <sil2100> But having another task for that would be needed anyway to get the meta generated. But just ranting here
[13:32] <rs2009> sil2100: I'm kinda confused. wouldn't getting rid of the task and using a metapackage result in the installed packages not being marked as auto-installed?
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sudo [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.9.9-1ubuntu2.1]
[13:41] <sil2100> rs2009: another quick one: memtest86+, I don't see this in the live task for let's say desktop
[13:41] <sil2100> (but maybe I missed that)
[13:43] <rs2009> sil2100: ah yes, didn't think it would be required in desktop, which is why I only added it to live. should I add it to desktop too?
[13:51] <sil2100> rs2009: actually, nvm, I now see it in other flavors as expected, wonder why I didn't see it earlier
[13:51] <rs2009> sil2100: ah
[13:52] <rs2009> we do have all of our packages in universe now, so should have a successful ISO build today
[13:53] <sil2100> \o/ I'll have to sponsor the livecd-rootfs changes before
[13:55] <rs2009> sil2100: ah, hope there aren't any issues with the changes?
[13:57] <sil2100> rs2009: it's fine, but is the inline comment still accurate? I'll add a comment explaining why we're not using tasks there but instead a list of live packages after merging
[13:58] <rs2009> sil2100: sure
[14:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openssh [source] (focal-proposed) [1:8.2p1-4ubuntu0.6]
[14:26] <sil2100> rs2009: merged and sponsored o/
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed ilmbase from i386-whitelist in kinetic
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed libdazzle from i386-whitelist in kinetic
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed mozjs91 from i386-whitelist in kinetic
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added dh-cargo to i386-whitelist in kinetic
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gcc-10-cross to i386-whitelist in kinetic
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gcc-10-cross-ports to i386-whitelist in kinetic
[14:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Release team! Any chance of an ack on LP: #1989263? We're pretty eager to get rolling on this both for Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio. Please and thanks! :)
[14:37] <sil2100> On it! Sorry, I'm stuck in meetings and juggling a bit
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected exim4 [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.90.1-1ubuntu1.10]
[14:38] <sil2100> Eickmeyer[m], RikMills: done o/
[14:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> sil2100: Thanks!
[14:40] <sil2100> That being said, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1989263/comments/5
[14:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> sil2100: I tested it in a Focal VM pretty extensively and it worked exactly as one would expect. It already notifies users of the existence of 22.04.1.
[14:44] <RikMills> we can likely test in kinetic by making a fake metarelease file somewhere, and pointing the notifier to that
[14:45] <RikMills> so it thinks JJ exists
[14:45] <RikMills> test up to a point anyway
[14:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Well... that might require modifying the update-notifier code a little since it relies on that.
[14:47] <RikMills> the url is set in a config file somewhere
[14:49] <RikMills>  /etc/update-manager/meta-release
[14:49] <RikMills> but anyway, we can work that out
[14:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: And by JJ I think you mean LL.
[14:51] <RikMills> indeed
[14:51]  * RikMills was going backwards!
[14:59] <sil2100> Would be awesome if we had such a test case planned out on the FFe bug!
[15:15] <sil2100> rs2009: hm, okay, someone did a direct push of livecd-rootfs without updating the vcs, so my dput got rejected (version conflict). He's looking into syncing that and then hopefully your change will be finally available in the archive
[15:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> sil2100: What's going to be even easier is the test case for the SRU bug when I write that one.
[15:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Because, yes, both Jammy and Focal both need this.
[15:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> heh, I type redundantly apparently.
[15:34] <rs2009> sil2100: ah great
[15:36] <rs2009> sil2100, ah, I see, you've uploaded 2.778. thanks :)
[15:36] <ogra> evil cowboys  🙂
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nfs-utils [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:2.6.1-1ubuntu1.1]
[18:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nfs-utils (jammy-proposed/main) [1:2.6.1-1ubuntu1 => 1:2.6.1-1ubuntu1.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-default-settings (jammy-proposed/universe) [22.04.26 => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntustudio)
[19:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> SRU Team: Upload of ubuntustudio-default-settings for Jammy reverts a workaround for the previous kdesu bug.
[20:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: plasma-distro-release-notifier (jammy-proposed/primary) [20220521-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: plasma-distro-release-notifier (focal-proposed/primary) [20220521-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[20:57] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m]: Looking at your comment in bug 1989494 - I don't recall if I mentioned this before but it should be possible to add an upgrade quirk to ubuntu-release-upgrader to prevent upgrades from Ubuntu Studio 20.04 to Ubuntu 22.04.
[20:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: I don't think that has ever been mentioned. Would that just be based on the install media?
[21:00] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m]: You could check that or if 'ubuntustudio-desktop' is installed.
[21:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: Probably safer for ubuntustudio-desktop.
[21:01] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m]: You can find all the quirks here https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-upgrader/tree/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py#n352
[21:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: I'm assuming we'd need a PR?
[21:06] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer[m]: I don't have the time to work on it but can review a MP and an SRU. You would not need to fix it in Kinetic as there is precedent for quirks not existing in the devel release.
[21:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> bdmurray: Not to mention in Kinetic we just uploaded a release upgrade notifier for Plasma.
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu10 => 2.06-2ubuntu11] (core, i386-whitelist)
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (kinetic-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu10 => 2.06-2ubuntu11] (core, i386-whitelist)
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nfs-utils [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:2.6.1-1ubuntu1.1]


[16:14] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: w.r.t. the warning sem saw, looks like all that's missing to fix things there is an SRU verification. Mind if I jump in and tackle that, or is there a reason I shouldn't?
[16:46] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer[m]: w.r.t. the warning sem saw, looks like all that's missing to fix things there is an SRU verification. Mind if I jump in and tackle that, or is there a reason I shouldn't?
[16:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (Double-sent because the first time didn't get through into Matrix for some reason.)
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Go for it.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> My warning was just wrt the live environment.
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> I saw that, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any gotchas that made third-party help unwanted or problematic.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nah.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't gatekeep like that.
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Holy smoke. I tried to use zsync to download a non-zsync file, it pulled the whole thing, saw that it wasn't a zsync file, and then promptly flushed it. And that was an ~4 GB ISO file. >_<)
[16:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> oof
[16:53]  * arraybolt3[m] tries again, this time with the .iso.zsync file
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> For some reason when I saw it just happily downloading away, I assumed (wrong!) that it saw this wasn't a zsync file and was handling the odd usage gracefully. Turns out not so!
[16:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Lesson learned. wget for downloads, zsync for zsyncs.
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (And the whole reason I was using zsync rather than wget is because my automated tool uses zsync under the hood and I thought I might be able to save a few megabytes on Canonical's end. Now instead I just needlessly burned gigabytes.)
[20:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: You missed the point of the ubuntustudio-installer SRU completely. The entire point was to keep studio-controls from being installed. Nothing more, nothing less.
[20:59] <arraybolt3> True. I know that. I tried to install everything *but* studio-controls, yet somehow it pulled in studio-controls anyway.
[20:59] <arraybolt3> (Thus the "oops" in the comment.)
[21:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> The entire point was to test installing ubuntustudio-installer, not run it.
[21:00] <arraybolt3> Anyway I'm just going to install ubuntustudio-installer this time all by itself, then reboot, and test audio and pactl info, if everything works I'll mark it verification-done.
[21:00] <arraybolt3> Oh. Oops. OK.
[21:01] <arraybolt3> Crud, my dog is going crazy, hold on...
[21:04] <arraybolt3> OK, back.
[21:05] <arraybolt3> (For some reason my dog hates my one male cat and they keep getting in "fights" that mostly consist of the dog barking his head off and the cat occasionally slapping him.)
[21:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: No worries, I took family and dogs to the dog run.
[21:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just remember, SRU's test cases are to be tested, with the desired result being the opposite of the test case within the confines of the test case.
[21:38] <arraybolt3> Verification done. \o/
[21:42] <arraybolt3> Thanks for your patience with my initial boffo test :P
[21:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ha, no worries.


[07:54] <delt> does ubuntustudio / xubuntu use a modified xfce indicator plugin?
[07:55] <delt> compiling it from source, i'm getting an empty plugin...
[07:56] <cfhowlett> delt, no modification but WHY are you compiling.  it's in the repo!
[08:00] <delt> cfhowlett: i'm trying to add features to it
[08:01] <delt> except i still don't fully get this whole notify vs. indicator thing..... i need to study the code in more detail
[08:20] <delt> ok got it... it's a gtk2 vs. gtk3 conflict thing.....
[11:16] <studio-user650> hello everyone, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but I'm currently stuck reinstalling the OS after repartitioning my hard drive. Has anyone else been hung up at "Restoring previously installed packages..."?
[11:18] <cfhowlett> studio-user650, can you get a terminal?
[11:19] <studio-user650> not by using ctrl+alt+t, is there another way?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> ctrl + alt + f1
[11:56] <Polyp> whoever tried to help me earlier (stuck reinstalling) I appreciate it, got everything up and running now.
[12:00] <zequence> cfhowlett: ^
[12:00] <cfhowlett> Polyp, congrats!  enjoy the magic!
[12:01] <cfhowlett> zequence, Dell 3800 precision with ubuntu support: yay or nay? :)
[12:08] <zequence> cfhowlett: I've recently installed Ubuntu on a few new Win 8 / 8.1 laptops, and I have had problems with a particular Dell model. 14.04 didn't boot at all, while 14.10 did
[12:08] <zequence> Main problems are usually wifi and touchpad. In one case, I was not able to get the touchpad working - there's no good code for it yet
[12:09] <zequence> In another case, the wifi worked, but I had to put the laptop in sleep mode after booting, and the wake it to get the wifi switch to turn on
[12:09] <cfhowlett> I was holding out for the dell XPS 13 sputnik 2015, but I may go for the precision sputnik instead
[12:10] <zequence> I guess there's no way to know if no one has tried installing on one yet
[12:11] <cfhowlett> waiting for the reviews, then :)
[12:11] <zequence> I'm currently installing on a couple of Acer machines. All working well. Last bit is to see if I can get Windows to boot from the grub menu with secure boot enabled. That's pretty much all the trouble I've had so far
[12:13] <zequence> Cool. I was actually able to boot Windows from grub with secure boot enabled.
[12:13] <cfhowlett> good news indeed!
[12:14] <zequence> the bios had an option for adding trusted efi binaries, Not seen that before
[12:15] <zequence> These laptops usually have pretty basic bioses
[12:15] <cfhowlett> really!  this is a new model?
[12:15] <zequence> Aspire V15
[12:15] <cfhowlett> so ... 2015?  I know not aspire
[12:15] <zequence> celeron
[12:16] <cfhowlett> good job, then!~
[12:18] <zequence> Though, if you just want Ubuntu, installing it will automatically make it bootable with secure boot on
[12:18] <zequence> At least that's my experience so far, to 100%
[12:19] <zequence> The only problem has been when dual booting windows, that you couldn't boot Windows from GRUB, in which case you either need to select boot device from the bios boot menu (where both Windows and Ubuntu would appear), or you had to disable secure boot
[12:25] <HarryHaaren> zequence, so you'd advise a relatively new Acer machine for audio work? I'm working on a 7 year old Acer, and its serving pretty well: so i'd certainly concider buying another one. Any recommendation?
[12:34] <zequence> HarryHaaren: No, I haven't done any audio work on any of these :)
[12:34] <zequence> Well, apart from the Fujitsu that I have, which I only use for small things
[12:35] <zequence> I only have pci devices, and a firewire device. Sadly, few laptops have firewire support these days
[12:35] <HarryHaaren> yeah, this Acer has :D
[12:35] <HarryHaaren> TM 5720, works flawless - texas instruments FW chip and all. Bought it for that reason
[12:36] <HarryHaaren> and a PCMCIA slot for the RME MultiFace2, so I don't want to stop using this machine for multi-tracking :D
[12:36] <zequence> I have an old Vaio that has firewire. Only problem is when I record drums. The vibrations will make writing to disk fail
[12:36] <zequence> (I don't have a control room)
[12:36] <HarryHaaren> SSD to the rescuse. Cheapo 40$ one?
[12:36] <HarryHaaren> I got a "PatrioX" 32gb SSD for 40 bucks when I was over in the states in 2012..
[12:37] <zequence> That could work.
[12:37] <zequence> I have an old desktop computer that acts as drum recorder/server, which is on all the time, so I have that covered :)
[12:38] <zequence> Also mechanic disk drives, but not as sensitive
[12:38] <zequence> I would have never thought it was due to the drums, had I not some comments by a German guy found some guy on the Ardour forum
[12:39] <HarryHaaren> yeah, las said before Ardour has 5 second disk-stream buffers, due to exactly this!
[12:39] <zequence> I think you can change the buffer now?
[12:40] <HarryHaaren> probably, that was ~a year or 2 ago
[12:40] <HarryHaaren> anyway, OT rant over :) Back to work, thanks for the Acer info
[12:40] <zequence> Have a nice afternoon
[15:06] <Bernhard_L> Hello, how to make a drumroll or call sound very loud without clipping?
[15:18] <cfhowlett> Bernhard_L, amplify, equalize, normalize
[15:22] <Bernhard_L> cfhowlett: thank you, I'll try.
[15:22] <cfhowlett> Bernhard_L, happy2help!
[15:45] <Bernhard_L> cfhowlett, sounds better now. But what about limiter?
[15:46] <cfhowlett> Bernhard_L, try it!  it's free!
[17:04] <lucas> hello
[17:15] <holstein> lucas: o/
[17:15] <holstein> Bernhard_L: compression on the way in, as well
[17:16] <holstein> i have a preamp with comp on-board.. helps get a hotter signal into "tape".. but, you cant undo that
[17:16] <holstein> its all a compromise
[17:17] <lucas> hello holstein
[17:19] <lucas> do you happen to know if it is possible to boot from an external drive using gpt partition table? If yes, how? (grub refuses to be installed there)
[17:20] <holstein> i use boot repair to install grub there
[17:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:20] <holstein> not sure about different partition table types, but, ubuntustudio is ubuntu is linux.. so, anything relevant to ubuntu will work here
[17:21] <holstein> you can go to #ubuntu, and ask "generally" about how to boot what you need.. since, its not specific to ubuntustudio, and you may not find the exact assistance you need here
[17:21] <lucas> in fact it doesn't
[17:21] <holstein> lucas: sure.. im just saying that, as you say, "in fact", i have
[17:21] <lucas> i'll do a pastebin
[17:21] <holstein> lucas: not sure what is specific to your case
[17:21] <lucas> 'ill paste the output,
[17:22] <holstein> but, nothing about ubuntustudio is specifically preventing anything
[17:22] <holstein> you can see at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[17:23] <holstein> "The GRUB 2 bootloader is included on all currently-supported versions of the Ubuntu family. GRUB 2 can accomodate traditional computer firmware such as BIOS as well as the newer EFI/UEFI standards. It is compatible with MBR, GPT and other partitioning tables."
[17:23] <holstein> and, ubuntu, nor ubuntustudio is doing anything to prevent it from installing on a gpt partition
[17:23] <lucas> http://pastebin.fr/38289
[17:23] <lucas> why does it do that do you think?
[17:23] <holstein> grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
[17:23] <holstein> grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
[17:24] <holstein> lucas: why ext2?
[17:24] <lucas> yes that is what it says
[17:24] <holstein> grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible.
[17:24] <holstein> grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
[17:24] <lucas> not: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="u-studio" UUID="d2eeeea0-3e4d-4599-a68d-45c8a14031b7" TYPE="ext4"
[17:24] <lucas> see it is ext4
[17:24] <holstein> lucas: i would make whatever partition it needs
[17:25] <holstein> even it its a smaller, additional one
[17:25] <lucas> holstein, I can if I know what he wants, which I presently don't
[17:25] <holstein> lucas: above, you can read that one "want" is blocklists
[17:26] <lucas> how do you do that? Is is an option in gparted?
[17:27] <holstein> lucas: i would use #ubuntu to address this, since, this channels scope is more about audio specific work, and that channel, or #xubuntu would be more appropriate for you, and more folks will be there
[17:27] <lucas> good idea, many thanks!
[17:27] <holstein> cheers! and good luck
[17:27] <lucas> thanks man!
[18:54] <lucas> bye