[00:04] <directhex> bizarre bug: nspluginwrapper seems to interfere somehow with audio, causes flash to always use the wrong output
[01:58] <ripps> What's the proper way to name a package pulled from a git repository?
[02:01] <ScottK> ripps: Do you know with reasonable certainty what the next version of the package is when it's released.
[02:02] <ripps> ScottK: Yes, 0.18.
[02:03] <ScottK> ripps: I'd do 0.18~git090305-0ubuntu1
[02:03] <ScottK> The '~' means it's a lower version than 0.18
[02:03] <ripps> ScottK: okay, I'll do that.
[02:14] <maxb> most examples of that use a full 4-digit year
[02:15] <maxb> Though I accept that if 0.18 hasn't been released by 2100, we're unlikely to care about the package any longer :-)
[02:16] <ripps> While I'm on the topic; what's the proper naming scheme for svn packages?
[02:16] <itachi> hi all
[02:18] <ScottK> maxb: The only rule is to have a scheme that's monotomically increasing.
[02:19] <ScottK> ripps: svn you can do either by date or by committ.  I prefer by committ because it's very easy to find where the snapshot was taken from in the svn.
[02:21] <ripps> ScottK: what do I name svn packages that haven't had an official release yet.
[02:22] <ScottK> If you know what the first release will be numbered, then use the same scheme.
[02:22] <ScottK> If not, I'd do 0-svn....
[02:23] <ripps> hmm... okay
[02:31] <ripps> I've gotten into the habit of building all my test packages with pdebuild using cowdancer. It allows me to make sure that the package will easily compile in PPA.
[02:32] <ScottK> Test building is a good habit to be in.
[02:34] <ripps> I'm trying to get GMPC working with plugins. I've built a bunch of plugins in my PPA, but some of the one's that fetch data online make gmpc crash. I filed a bug report with the maintainer and he said to try the git. So I'm building a git version of gmpc to see if it works.
[02:35] <ripps> Okay, how do I make pbuilder install a package from it's result directory install from the online repository?
[02:35] <dtchen> directhex: note: just because 6stack-dig didn't work for your intrepid kernel doesn't mean it isn't in fact correct.
[02:36] <ripps> I need an updated version of libmpd, I've built it using pdebuild, now I need pdebuild to use that very package to build gmpc.
[02:36] <dtchen> directhex: (i.e., in -kmirror git HEAD, the relevant quirk is 6stack-dig)
[02:37] <dtchen> i'll look through the codec output later and may have some suggestions for you with hda-verb
[02:59] <leonel> scottK is there a  git or svn or cvs  for  clamav in alioth ??
[02:59] <ScottK> git
[02:59] <leonel> so that's what we must  use to jaunty ?
[02:59] <leonel> i mean for the  0.95 clamav for jaunty
[03:18] <maxb> ripps: For that to happen, the packages you build using pbuilder need to go into an apt repository that pbuilder is configured to read from
[03:21] <ScottK> The or pbuilder login --save-after-logout and install them by hand.
[03:21] <ScottK> The/That
[03:50] <Hobbsee> is anyone going to update eclipse before release?  Please?  ;)
[03:51] <ScottK> Hobbsee: That's what everyone says and no one is willing to do.
[03:51]  * ScottK will be glad to vote for an FFe.
[03:51]  * Hobbsee wonders how people could be persuaded
[03:51]  * ScottK couldn't be.
[03:51]  * Hobbsee found a patch to let a slightly newer version build, in launchpad, but it's sitll .2 versions old
[03:51]  * ScottK has touched it before when he was younger and way less experienced.
[03:52] <ScottK> That'd be progress.
[03:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you could always touch eclipse
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm trying to specifically *avoid* doing that.
[03:52] <ajmitch> & then everyone else could disavow all knowledge of it for future releases!
[03:52]  * Hobbsee just went the "grab the tarball from the eclipse site" method
[03:53] <ajmitch> wasn't jdong the last sucker to look at it?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> pochu, mainly
[03:55] <Hobbsee> he might be bribable.
[03:56] <ajmitch> or he may run a mile
[03:56] <ajmitch> think of the users, Hobbsee, you don't want to disappoint them...
[03:56] <Hobbsee> in the case of eclipse, i'm a user, not a developer ;)
[03:57] <ajmitch> you could try & hunt down Koon
[03:57] <Hobbsee> now there's an idea!
[03:57] <ajmitch> he does java stuff
[03:58] <ScottK> ajmitch: It's Debian where you have to promise to care about the users.  Here we just have to be nice.
[03:59] <ajmitch> OK
[04:00] <ScottK> Note that there was some irony embedded in there.
[04:00] <ajmitch> Hard to tell
[04:00] <ScottK> Mutually.
[04:06] <jdong> and yes, I think I was unfortunate enough to mention looking at eclipse :)
[04:06] <jdong> and I think I did mention I got scared away.
[04:07] <jdong> the we we've got it all intertwining with the other eclipse-y things it provides other than the Java IDE just scares me :)
[04:07] <jdong> maybe we should just have an eclipse-fugly-standalone build :)
[04:08] <ajmitch> jdong: You've confessed an interest, that's good enough for a TIL
[04:11] <jdong> haha
[04:18] <ScottK> Anyone know what "distribution.canonical.bookmarksProcessed" in Firefox about:config is about?
[04:18] <ScottK> Google confesses to know nothing about it.
[05:06] <Zarel> Hey, can someone help me submit a request for backports?
[05:16] <fabrice_sp> Hi Zarel. Did you had a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports ?
[05:19] <Zarel> fabrice_sp: yep, but it's not that clear.
[05:20] <Zarel> Do you know how I can tell if Warzone is already in backports?
[05:20] <fabrice_sp> Zarel, you mean, the sync request from yesterday?
[05:20] <Zarel> The sync request only covered jaunty, which isn't released yet.
[05:21] <fabrice_sp> no: you have to explicitly request it
[05:21] <Zarel> Yeah, and I'm not sure how I'd go do that.
[05:22] <fabrice_sp> first, fill a bug report requesting the backport at https://launchpad.net/products/intrepid-backports/+filebug for Intrepid
[05:23] <Zarel> Hmm, I might want to wait for 2.1.2 to be released first.
[05:25] <fabrice_sp> Why not. Anyway, if the version in Jaunty compile as-is in Intrepid, I could upload it to my ppa
[05:25]  * fabrice_sp is building warzone2100 2.1.1 in an Intrepid schroot to check
[05:26] <Zarel> I don't know much about that. I'm a Windows developer. I'm mainly here because many of our users are complaining about how hard it is to get an up-to-date version of Warzone.
[05:26] <Zarel> :/ I mean, they say _Debian_ is supposed to be slow...
[05:27] <Zarel> It's just weird that you would release a beta version, and not update to the stable because of stringent update requirements...
[05:28] <fabrice_sp> Zarel, I can take care of that. Don't worry. Anyway, we upgrade each 6 months
[05:29] <fabrice_sp> I you can point me very severe bugs that makes the beta version unusable, I could ty to process a SRU
[05:29] <fabrice_sp> (Stable Release Update), otherwise it's easier with a ppa or a backport request
[05:29] <Zarel> There aren't any severe bugs that I know of.
[05:29] <Zarel> Yeah, I'm thinking backports might be better.
[05:29] <fabrice_sp> so ppa
[05:30] <Zarel> Well, anything. You're probably better at this than I have.
[05:30] <fabrice_sp> it's still building, but if it builds fine, I'll upload it to my ppa
[05:30] <Zarel> Once you have that ready, do you have a set of instructions I can tell users?
[05:30] <fabrice_sp> yes. It's like using an 'extra' repository
[05:31] <fabrice_sp> https://launchpad.net/~fabricesp/+archive/ppa
[05:31] <fabrice_sp> (just the link to the ppa. It's not yet published :-) )
[05:34] <JanC> is this package new in jaunty?
[05:34] <Zarel> Define "new"
[05:34] <Zarel> I mean, the current version was only added a day or two ago.
[05:34] <Zarel> But Warzone's been in Ubuntu for years.
[05:34] <fabrice_sp> JanC, no. It's just an upgrade to a stable version
[05:35] <fabrice_sp> since gutsy, at least (with version 2.1.0~0.svn1436-1)
[05:36] <JanC> ah, currently I see 2.1.1 in the repository, no mentioning of "beta" ?
[05:36] <fabrice_sp> warzone2100 2.1.1-1 still building...
[05:36] <Zarel> JanC: That's in Jaunty. Intrepid has 2.1-beta4
[05:36] <fabrice_sp> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=warzone2100
[05:37] <Zarel> I'm not sure why Ubuntu's policies are stringent enough that betas can't be updated to finals, yet lax enough for a pre-alpha build to be included with gutsy/hardy.
[05:37] <JanC> Zarel: oh, right, then a backport would be useful maybe
[05:38] <Zarel> I mean, Warzone _does_ have a reputation for having trunk stabler than the latest stable most of the time, but it still seems weird.
[05:38] <JanC> or if that's not allowed, a package in a PPA  ;)
[05:39] <Zarel> That's apparently what people are doing now.
[05:39] <Zarel> Hmm. I estimate 2.1.2 is going to be released in a week. Do you think that's soon enough to make it into Jaunty?
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> Zarel, but most of packages are not, and sometime, it's worst: the first stable release is not stable either, and you have to wait until stable.1 to have a real stable version
[05:40] <Zarel> It fixes a moderately important bug - crashes in multiplayer games larger than 6 players.
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> Zarel, if it's a bug fixing only, and Debian package it, yes
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> ok then
[05:40] <Zarel> 2.1.1 done building?
[05:40] <fabrice_sp> and we can even apply the fix directly in the actual version and sync later
[05:41] <fabrice_sp> not yet...
[05:41] <JanC> Zarel, if you have proof about maintaining stability, it might be useful to provide that to fabrice_sp
[05:42] <fabrice_sp> I'll upload it to my ppa and see what happen
[05:42] <Zarel> JanC: "Maintaining"? You imply Warzone was stable in the first place. :P
[05:43] <JanC> Zarel: I mean, if new versions have no regressions...
[05:43] <Zarel> Does a developer saying "I'm pretty sure there are no new regressions" count?
[05:43] <JanC> e.g. if you have strong regression tests...  ;)
[05:43] <fabrice_sp> Well, I just played half an hour yesterday, and didn't find problems ;-)
[05:44] <fabrice_sp> lol
[05:44] <fabrice_sp> I don't think so Zarel
[05:44] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[05:44] <Zarel> Nope, but all our users say 2.1.1 is much stabler than 2.1-beta4. Does that count?
[05:44] <Zarel> I mean, all our users other than Ubuntu users who don't build from source are using 2.1.1...
[05:46] <JanC> well, then a PPA build is probable good enough...
[05:47] <fabrice_sp> I would say, for a backport, it's not a problem
[05:47] <fabrice_sp> but actually, the team a long queue to process, so that's why a ppa is quicker, if you find someone to process it :-)
[05:47] <fabrice_sp> yes
[05:47] <fabrice_sp> I already backport some programs, even mupen64plus :-)
[05:48] <fabrice_sp> (in my ppa, I mean)
[05:49]  * fabrice_sp shouldn't be building 3 programs at the same time ...
[05:53] <Zarel> :P
[05:54] <Zarel> The weird thing about Ubuntu is that it doesn't report versions at all.
[05:54] <Zarel> "Add/Remove Applications" isn't telling me which version of Warzone it has available. >_<
[05:54] <fabrice_sp> what do you mean?
[05:54] <Zarel> That's actually one of my biggest gripes with Ubuntu. It's hard to find the version of anything.
[05:55] <Zarel> You know the "Add/Remove Applications" thing? Some sort of GUI for apt. It doesn't report which version of Warzone it has.
[05:55] <fabrice_sp> you have it in zynaptic or with  a apt-cache policy warzone2100 command
[05:56] <fabrice_sp> synaptic
[05:56] <fabrice_sp> in bug reports, that's generally what I request: output of 'apt-cache policy <package>' to know the version
[05:58] <Zarel> That's silly. I have to drop down to command-line just to figure out what version I'm installing?
[05:58] <fabrice_sp> synaptic, then
[05:58] <fabrice_sp> system/admin/package management
[06:06]  * fabrice_sp already uploaded half of the source code of warzone to his ppa
[06:21] <fabrice_sp> Zarel, warzone2100 2.1.1 is built in my ppa for amd64 and lpia for Intrepid. i386 still building
[06:23] <dholbach> good morning
[06:29] <fabrice_sp> Hey dholbach ! Good morning ;-)
[06:30] <dholbach> hiya fabrice_sp
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> it has been a long time :-)
[06:30] <dholbach> since when? :)
[06:31] <fabrice_sp> since I saw you at that time :-)
[06:31] <dholbach> ah, yes - I was in Boston from Monday to Wednesday - just came back to Europe yesterday :)
[06:34]  * dholbach takes the dog for a walk, brb
[06:34] <fabrice_sp> Ohh. not too cold there? Some of my colleagues at work are working there and thy told me it was -16ºC yesterday :-/
[06:34] <fabrice_sp> CU
[06:34] <dholbach> fabrice_sp: it was REALLY cold and they got quite a bit of snow :)
[06:34] <fabrice_sp> yeah :-) good walk!
[06:34] <dholbach> when I came back to Berlin yesterday I was greeted by -8°C -> 12°C :-)
[06:34] <dholbach> thanks - brb
[06:35] <fabrice_sp> lol
[07:32] <savvas> does anyone know if localisation for gdebi is stripped from the package? I was wondering how does it get in language-pack-xx-base package and installed in /usr/share/locale-langpack ... http://tinyurl.com/av2vtr
[07:48] <savvas> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:48] <savvas> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xulrunner-1.9_<IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/libxul.so')
[08:09] <savvas> bug 338607
[08:14] <Toadstool> good morning!
[08:18] <jpds> Morning Toadstool.
[08:19] <Toadstool> hello jpds
[10:04] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[10:06] <directhex> hello sistpoty|work
[10:06] <sistpoty|work> hi directhex
[10:07] <directhex> hm, what's the easiest way to update a package with a bugfix release which needs nothing more than "uupdate" running on it?
[10:07] <directhex> debdiff from previous upstream? i always hated those, but seems easiest
[10:09] <slytherin> directhex: do you need sponsorship? if yes then diff.gz.
[10:09] <directhex> slytherin, and orig?
[10:09] <persia> directhex, orig can be gotten with uscan, right?
[10:10] <directhex> persia, with get-orig-source ideally, but yes
[10:10] <persia> Does uupdate do get-orig-source?
[10:10] <directhex> nah, gotta go through that pain manually. just finished though
[10:11] <directhex> not THAT much pain given i started when sistpoty|work said hi ;)
[10:11] <persia> Then, right.  Your sponsor can use the get-orig-source rule to get the orig, and then match that with your diff.gz, and upload.
[10:12] <slytherin> directhex: ideally get-orig-source should call uscan <appropriate options>
[10:13] <directhex> slytherin, looks like this particular package IS a simple uscan-based one. some are a lot more complex though due to repackaging
[10:14] <persia> Well, some people use uscan to repackage.  It can do basic things like .bz2 -> .gz and .zip -> .gz
[10:14] <persia> For extra points, someone ought define a syntax for watch files that removes files during repackaging, and a patch to uscan to support that, and submit to Debian.
[10:16] <directhex> you know, that's not a half bad idea. whose work is uscan?
[10:16] <slytherin> persia: In some of the java packages, I have seen a separate script orig-tar.sh which is then mentioned in the watch file
[10:17] <persia> slytherin, Indeed.  I spent some time arguing against people doing that on Debian lists, but apparently not everyone believes they know make well enough to do it cleanly (even when I presented examples, some of the examples were used to refine the shell-based orig-tar.sh scripts).
[10:18] <persia> I still think it's better to do it in get-orig-source (without a shell script), and would be nice if uscan could handle simple file deletion, but I'm not going to argue about it anymore for a while.
[10:19] <directhex> my most obscene get-orig-source by FAR is ikvm
[10:20] <directhex> but my repackaged ikvm appears to be made of awesome - builds on at least 4 more arches than it used to as per https://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=ikvm
[10:21] <directhex> okay then, u-u-s subscribed to bug #338665 - anything visibly done wrong?
[10:56] <slytherin> directhex: by the way, forgot to tell you. ikvm fails even basic swing test. :-)
[10:56] <directhex> slytherin, it runs hello world! :p
[10:56] <directhex> slytherin, i know, it's useless for gui things, the code's marked "proof of concept" for a reason
[10:56] <slytherin> :-)
[10:57] <directhex> i'm pleased that swing hello world works ^_^
[10:57] <directhex> i did some testing a few days ago
[10:58] <directhex> slytherin, one thing you might notice, though, is the number of arches for pre/post directhex packagin on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libikvm-native
[10:59] <persia> directhex, You're clearly the best maintainer for that, although I suspect you won't be surprised if you don't have that many users
[11:00] <directhex> persia, there are packages with far fewer users in the archive
[11:00] <directhex> persia, mostly i find it both a technically fascinating app, and a packaging challenge
[11:00] <persia> Precisely why you're the best maintainer :)
[11:01] <directhex> persia, i'm wondering if there's any value in other Iron* type packages, e.g. ironscheme & ironruby & ironlisp
[11:01] <slytherin> directhex: no swing hello world does not work. But in any case I am not bothered with that as much.
[11:01] <directhex> slytherin, worked for me :/
[11:01] <persia> directhex, Not to me, but if you find them interesting, by all means...
[11:02] <slytherin> directhex: I will send you the program I used tonight.
[11:02] <directhex> slytherin, go ahead!
[11:04] <_ruben> man .. if only i had known dkms was in fact so damn easy (especially compared to m-a)
[11:07] <c_korn> is the config.log of a build that failed available somewhere?
[11:09] <directhex> nay!
[11:14] <geser> c_korn: no. you need to cat it in rules so it appears in the build log
[11:15] <Laney> meow
[11:15] <directhex> morning Laney!
[11:15] <Laney> howdy compadre
[11:16] <c_korn> geser: ok, but the configure fails so the cat would never be executed
[11:17] <Laney> you can set up a pbuilder hook to drop you into a shell after build failures
[11:17] <directhex> c_korn, ./configure || cat config.log
[11:18] <c_korn> btw. it only fails on some archs like powerpc. can PPAs build for those archs? otherwise I don't know how to test
[11:19] <directhex> no
[11:19] <directhex> the only arch i even got qemu to work with was arch
[11:19] <directhex> which package is this?
[11:19] <c_korn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/scilab/5.1-0ubuntu2
[11:19] <c_korn> scilab
[11:19] <slytherin> c_korn: you can't figure out the reason for failure from LP's build log?
[11:20] <c_korn> Sylvestre (maintainer of scilab) requested the config.log
[11:21] <persia> c_korn, Just insert cat config.log after the ./configure call in debian/rules
[11:21] <directhex> ebay + second hand mac. best way.
[11:21] <c_korn> is it mandatory that scilab builds on all archs?
[11:21] <directhex> no.
[11:22] <c_korn> ok so the official build machines are the only which can build for those archs?
[11:22] <directhex> yup
[11:22] <c_korn> then scilab had to be reuploaded only to get the config.log
[11:23] <c_korn> it is not worth it, is it?
[11:24] <slytherin> c_korn: the build failure looks familiar. Let me take a look
[11:26] <directhex> hm, jni woe
[11:26] <directhex> yay for JNI
[11:31] <directhex> without JNI, mono wouldn't exist
[11:34] <pmjdebruijn> directhex: that's doesn't make sense to me?
[11:35] <_ruben> i wonder if there's any source packages that result in a binary package (userland) and a dkms package (kernelland) .. couldnt find any atleast
[11:35] <directhex> pmjdebruijn, why not?
[11:37] <pmjdebruijn> directhex: what does JNI have to do with Mono?
[11:37] <pmjdebruijn> directhex: it possibly related to ikvm
[11:37] <pmjdebruijn> but not to Mono itself
[11:38] <directhex> pmjdebruijn, .net exists because microsoft were sued for creating their non-sun-compatible jvm (which had a non-crap JNI replacement), and they still wanted something damn close to java but with less lawsuits. mono appeared based on their EMCA specifications
[11:38] <directhex> pmjdebruijn, if JNI wasn't an irredeemable pile of shit, there'd be no .net (or mono by extension)
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> directhex: if you put it like that
[11:51] <persia> Apparently 0.0~20080608-1ubuntu1 < 0.0~20080628-1 which is annoying.  Further, it appears that 0.0~20080628-2 is also less than 0.0~20080628-1.  Anyone have any suggestions on how to update this version?
[12:03]  * persia seeks the typo, and retracts the query
[12:23] <hyperair> how does a package appear on merge-o-matic?
[12:24] <slytherin> is powerpc considered 64 bit arch?
[12:25] <broonie> slytherin: The G5 is 64 bit but normally you run a 32 bit user space with select 64 bit applications/libs
[12:25] <slytherin> ok
[12:26] <slytherin> hyperair: when debian package is updated and last version in ubuntu is -nubuntux.
[12:26] <persia> And merge-o-matic is running, and the package isn't in the blacklist
[12:26] <hyperair> slytherin: it's automatic?
[12:26] <hyperair> hmm i guess i'll just wait for banshee to appear then. i think it just got uploaded
[12:27] <slytherin> c_korn: I give up. Looking at the configure script gives no idea about build failure.
[12:28] <c_korn> slytherin: http://pastebin.com/d61eb934
[12:29] <slytherin> c_korn: so you found the solution?
[12:29] <c_korn> no, sylvestre then asked for the config.log
[12:30] <elmargol> dholbach, do you know if there is a screencast how to do debian packaging using git? (I'm asking you since you did some screencasts about debian packaging)
[12:35] <slytherin> c_korn: you can patch m4/java.m4 around line 412
[12:36] <slytherin> c_korn: I think the LDFLAGS passed to configure script are not used at all. hence this problem.
[12:37] <slytherin> what is significance of LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[12:51] <c_korn> slytherin: I don't know. sylvestre has to take a look at it
[13:19] <lfaraone> I have a suite of packages (about 4) that need to have the python version bumped; do I have to make a debdiff for all of them>
[13:19] <lfaraone> *?
[13:20] <geser> 4 source packages?
[13:20] <lfaraone> geser: yes.
[13:21] <geser> if you want credits for the uploads then provide debdiffs :) else tell me the package names and I'll look at it
[13:23] <lfaraone> geser: kk.
[13:37] <lfaraone> geser: odd, I don't see where in the package it depends on python 2.6...
[13:38] <lfaraone> geser: ( https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-datastore/0.83.2-0ubuntu1 )
[13:39] <geser> it probably just needs a rebuild to get updated dependencies
[13:40] <lfaraone> geser: ah.
[13:40] <lfaraone> geser: while I'm at it I'm going to import a new upstream version.
[13:40] <lfaraone> geser: I assume it's OK since it's a bugfix release, before we were shipping an alpha. (upstream was in FF before we were)
[13:41] <geser> you know that we are in FF and you need an exception if it's not a bugfix release?
[13:41] <geser> in that case it's ok
[13:42] <lfaraone> geser: goody.
[13:42] <geser> lfaraone: so I should leave bug 338626 for you?
[13:42] <lfaraone> geser: yeah.
[13:43] <geser> I've just uploaded a rebuild for sugar-toolkit
[13:44] <dholbach> elmargol: sorry, no idea about that
[13:47] <lfaraone> geser: there were bugfixes to *all* of those packages :)
[14:10] <didrocks> hey dholbach, thanks for the publication :)
[14:11] <dholbach> didrocks: sure :)
[14:23] <hggdh> dholbach, ping
[14:23] <dholbach> hggdh: pong
[14:24] <hggdh> dholbach, could you please sponsor http://revu.ubuntuwire.org/p/libpst? Séb is quiite busy, and we have not had success on getting a MOTU to do so
[14:25] <hyperair> hmm i thought there was a featurefreeze?
[14:25] <dholbach> hggdh: let's take this to #ubuntu-desktop
[14:26] <dholbach> hyperair: we are, it's needed for something in evolution
[14:26] <hyperair> aah i see
[14:26] <hggdh> it is a pre-req for a new plugin
[14:33] <eMerzh> I'm Looking for advocating for my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=sqliteman
[14:35] <DrHalan> can somebody explain me what this does? i am new to building packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/127249/
[14:37] <dholbach> hi mterry, hi bdrung
[14:37] <dholbach> hiya bfiller
[14:37] <bfiller> dholbach: wassup
[14:38] <dholbach> bfiller: I'm tired - and catching up with mountains of email
[14:38] <dholbach> bfiller: how are you?
[14:38] <dholbach> :)
[14:38] <bfiller> dholbach: I bet you are, sorry I didn't see you guys off on Weds
[14:39] <bfiller> dholbach: jet lag is difficult (:
[14:39] <dholbach> don't worry, I'm sure you were busy as always - it was great meeting you
[14:45] <mterry> dholbach: Hello!
[14:45] <mterry> dholbach: Did you guys have an awesome sprint?
[14:47] <dholbach> mterry: absolutely - lots to talk about, but also lots of stuff that got done - so I'm happy
[14:47] <dholbach> as much as like hanging out with all you guys I look forward to this WE too :-)
[14:48] <mterry> dholbach: :)
[14:54] <sistpoty|work> siretart: what do you think about getting xine-lib updated? (FF bug #329572)
[14:56] <sistpoty|work> siretart: oh, it's in main... so not motu-release duty :)
[14:56] <siretart> sistpoty|work: in any case that merge would be a very good idea, IMO
[14:56] <sistpoty|work> :)
[14:57] <siretart> sistpoty|work: btw, didn't we agree at some point that minor upstream release do not need an freeze exception?
[14:57] <sistpoty|work> siretart: yep, bugfix only versions don't need a FFe
[14:58] <sistpoty|work> siretart: I just thought I'd ask you, because you should know best about xine-lib before wondering myself if its a bugfix only (or if it makes sense in the first place) ;)
[14:58] <siretart> this is clearly a bugfix only release
[14:59] <siretart> it seems nixternal is already working on that. less work for me :-)
[14:59] <sistpoty|work> heh
[15:00] <jcfp> in case ${Python-Depends} expands to something unusable (see LP #338392), is it acceptable to set the dependencies manually as they should be?
[15:00] <ScottK> jcfp: It's better to figure out why it expanded that way and fix it.
[15:03] <jcfp> I have no clue whatsoever why it comes up with the python (<< 2.6) part, the rest seems fine
[15:04] <ScottK> Did you try it with Deiban's pysupport?
[15:05] <jcfp> ScottK: how? by building in debian sid?
[15:05] <ScottK> Install the Debian pysupport in your Ubuntu pbuilder
[15:05] <ScottK> Since Debian doesn't have 2.6, no way to check there.
[15:07] <leonel> scottK  does debian has already a  clamav 0.95rc package  or we need to  start testing  the  rdpends  with our own  ?
[15:07] <ScottK> They don't have it packaged yet.
[15:07] <ScottK> I haven't had time to look into how hard it would be.
[15:08] <leonel> scottK ok   I'll start  checking that package  just to start the engines with the rdepends ..
[15:08] <jcfp> ScottK: how do I add debian packages to a jaunty pbuilder?
[15:09] <ScottK> jcfp: Use pbuilder login then inside the chroot grab the source, build it, and install it.
[15:09] <jcfp> tx on it
[15:09] <sistpoty|work> siretart: oh, from the activity log of the xine-lib bug, someone else assigned nixternal... not too sure if that was on purpose
[15:11] <jcfp> ScottK: use the one from unstable or experimental?
[15:11] <ScottK> I'd try both.
[15:25] <siretart> sistpoty|work: oh
[15:26] <siretart> nixternal: are you actually working on bug 329572?
[15:38] <jcfp> ScottK: no difference with any of the debian python-support versions other than the version of the dependency on python-support itself; the weird python (<< 2.6) dep is still there.
[15:39]  * ScottK doesn't use python-support, so I'd suggest ask on #debian-python
[15:51] <dholbach> sistpoty|work: anything else required on bug 334813?
[16:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:04] <sistpoty|work> dholbach: nope, seb granted the FFe
[16:04] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[16:04] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty|work
[16:05] <dholbach> sistpoty|work: gracias
[16:05] <sistpoty|work> dholbach: you're welcome ;)
[16:13] <nixternal> siretart: that would be a no
[16:13] <nixternal> I am not working on the xinelib bug
[16:15] <siretart> nixternal: okay, I'll steal that bug then from you
[16:15] <nixternal> roger that
[16:48] <RainCT> python-awn-extras needs rebuild
[16:49]  * RainCT does it
[16:52] <RainCT> ah, it's blocking on avant-window-navigator being built
[17:09] <DrHalan> in deb scripts i find the command "p". what does it do?
[17:22] <pmjdebruijn> DrHalan: can you put it on a pastebin?
[17:22] <pmjdebruijn> DrHalan: isn't 'p' a predefined function in the same script?
[17:24] <DrHalan> pmjdebruijn: oh osrry i think there was a c missing and "cp" was meant
[17:27] <DrHalan> still i cant execute this line but it seems fine "cp -r * ../"
[18:12] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I fixed a FTBFS in a package but now, it's FTBFS because of the transition to python2.6. Where can I find instructions on what to do to do the transition?
[19:12] <maxb> Can anyone think of a convenient command to take a directory full of debs and classify them according to whether they belong to intrepid or jaunty?
[19:27] <amikrop> Hello. The ipod-convenience package really should not require the gtkpod and the amarok packages.
[19:27] <amikrop> I can't find a reason.
[19:27] <amikrop> It is just extra unnecessary software.
[19:42] <jdong> directhex: I just found BeginInvoke/EndInvoke.  :P
[19:57]  * hanska runs
[19:59] <fabrice_sp> Hi. setup.py is installing the python extension in usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages for python2.6 but in usr/lib/python2.5/dist-packages for python2.5. What do I miss?
[20:08] <sistpoty> hi sebner
[20:09] <sistpoty> sebner: how's the army? when will you'll be a civilian again? ;)
[20:11] <sebner> sistpoty: 4 months :( but my chances to get a nice job in ~1 month (office job ..) aren't that bad
[20:11] <AnAnt> Hello, I have a question, I am maintaining sl-modem in Debian, which uses either DKMS or module-assistant to build its modules, the question is, when DKMS enters Debian (it has been in NEW & BYHAND for 2 weeks), won't it be better that I drop support for module-assistant ?
[20:11] <pochu> sebner: don't you like the field? ;)
[20:11] <sistpoty> sebner: well, then get that job ;)
[20:12] <sebner> sistpoty: I hope so :P
[20:12] <sebner> pochu: nahh, too dirty :P
[20:13] <sistpoty> AnAnt: does dkms support custom build kernels?
[20:14] <AnAnt> sistpoty: dunno, I think superm1  can better answer this question
[20:14] <superm1> sure why not
[20:14] <superm1> as long as the headers are in place
[20:14] <goshawk> RainCT: hi, submitted the debdiff for hardy right now
[20:15] <sistpoty> AnAnt: then I guess supporting only one system can be better tested than two independent module building systems?
[20:15] <goshawk> RainCT: i'm looking for new bitesize/s bugs.. .or should i do another thing?
[20:16] <Laney> fix miro for me :(
[20:19] <goshawk> Laney: point me bug number
[20:19] <goshawk> and i'll have a look :)
[20:19] <AnAnt> sistpoty: yup
[20:19] <Laney> goshawk: haha, it's a difficult ftbfs
[20:19] <Laney> try and build miro out of jaunty and you'll see
[20:20] <AnAnt> RainCT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard#Resistance_to_adoption
[20:22]  * sistpoty is confused about trigger in debian/games svn, because it contains *two* imo unreleased changelog entries
[20:24] <sistpoty> aha, bad commit in the past... /me cleans up
[20:37] <sistpoty> bddebian: happen to know if the new physfs is through binary new on all arches yet? (i.e. if not, should I add a versioned b-d for trigger on the new one?)
[20:40] <bddebian> sistpoty: 1.0.1 or 1.1.1?
[20:41] <sistpoty> bddebian: 1.1.1
[20:41] <sistpoty> bddebian: i.e. your last upload to unstable ;)
[20:42] <bddebian> eeks 1.1.1 should be going to experimental
[20:42] <bddebian> 1.0.1 should be in unstable
[20:44] <sistpoty> bddebian: maybe I've misread the changes entry, that was just what i recalled right now
[20:45] <sistpoty> bddebian: indeed, 1.1.1 is in new/experimental
[20:46] <bddebian> whew
[20:47] <sistpoty> bddebian: ok, then I guess my question is moot, since there's no soname bump involved?
[20:47] <bddebian> Not for 1.0.1 no, but there will be if I upload 1.1.1 to unstable :)
[20:47] <sistpoty> heh
[20:47] <sistpoty> thanks bddebian
[20:51] <sistpoty> bddebian: does an upload of trigger than make sense now? (it would need to go through binary new itself, since it changes package names from trigger to trigger-rally, trigger-data likewise)
[20:52] <bddebian> I'd like to get 1.1.1 in but I don't know about all the rdepends yet :(
[20:52] <bddebian> I have the same issue with asc right now
[20:56] <bddebian> sistpoty: Are you trying to do this for Jaunty?
[20:56] <sistpoty> bddebian: no, for unstable ;)
[20:57] <bddebian> Ah then if you could wait I'd appreciate it.  Even better if you could test with libphysfs-1.1.1 from experimental. ;-)
[20:57] <sistpoty> bddebian: actually, there aren't too many changes worth for jaunty, as the old package includes all upstream changes via patches :)
[20:57] <sistpoty> bddebian: sure, I'll try that.
[20:58] <bddebian> sweet, thanks
[21:02] <sistpoty> (/me will have to patch it upstream wise if it fails anyways, and I recall to have played with the physfs interaction in the past *g*)
[21:26] <RainCT> geser: I've given-back the failed builds of awn-extras-applets ;)
[21:30] <lfaraone> Is there a reason we don't ship the DoD root CA certs in Ubuntu?
[21:31] <ScottK> lfaraone: Does anyone?
[21:32] <ScottK> lfaraone: I can imagine that "Automatically trust US DoD" would not be considered a feature by some fraction of the user base.
[21:32] <sistpoty> bddebian: got a source package of 1.1.1 physfs? (or preferred binary packages for amd64)?
[21:33] <lfaraone> ScottK: well, if the DoD wanted to they could seize VeriSign's certs.
[21:34] <lfaraone> ScottK: and most likely prolly already have.
[21:34] <lfaraone> ScottK: I think Windows 7 might.
[21:34] <bddebian> sistpoty: I don't have a binary for amd64 as I don't have one sorry.  But here is a source package: http://people.debian.org/~pabs/tmp/debs/libphysfs_1.1.1-1.dsc
[21:37] <bddebian> It builds pretty quickly
[21:41] <sistpoty> thanks bddebian :)
[21:42] <bddebian> NP.  Gotta run, let me know how it goes. :)
[21:56] <dblick> If I want to install jaunty from a fresh install of intrepid on a VirtualBox image, what's the right way to start?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases is a little unclear on how to actually do an upgrade
[22:01] <sistpoty> dblick: I assume the best path is to first backup your image and then do a "sudo do-release-upgrade" (eventually changing /etc/apt/sources.list beforehand)
[22:01] <sistpoty> dblick: oh, and of course to cross finger for the latter part ;)
[22:03] <dblick> sistpoty, thanks, i didn't know about that command
[22:03]  * sistpoty admits that he looked it up himself
[22:49] <ianto> If I was in a team with a DD, if he were to upload to  Debian, would I be able to then make changes from his package and place that in Ubuntu when Debian & Ubuntu package merge or is that dealt with by an external person who has MOTU rights for example?
[22:50] <Laney> it would be no different from taking any other change from Debian
[22:50] <Laney> so yes, sync and merge would be available to you as normal
[22:50] <Laney> infact this is a fairly common thing
[22:51] <hanska> Laney knows it :P
[22:51] <hanska> Laney: ;)
[22:51] <Laney> \o/
[22:51] <Laney> working in Debian is clearly far better
[22:52] <hanska> Laney: eheh, remember who is +bugs :P
[22:52]  * hanska runs fast
[23:16] <dtchen> jcastro: are you noticing lower "cpu usage" with my PPA debs?
[23:17] <duairc> Would this be the right place to discuss the way a piece of software is packaged in Ubuntu and possibly suggest improvements?
[23:17] <duairc> Or seeing as the package(s) I have in mind come from Debian, would there be a better place to go?
[23:17] <dtchen> for source packages in Ubuntu universe and multiverse, yes.
[23:18] <RainCT> dtchen: contacting the Debian Maintainer would be better
[23:18] <dtchen> ^ duairc
[23:18] <duairc> RainCT: dtchen: Okay, thanks for that :)
[23:19] <RainCT> dtchen: err, sorry :)
[23:46] <ploum> Hello
[23:46] <ploum> Do you use some tool to format the changelog of your package?
[23:47] <ploum> I do it by hand and always forget to change the date
[23:47] <ploum> And I guess that the changelog file should become really long after some times
[23:47] <Laney> ploum: dch
[23:47] <Laney> in devscripts
[23:49] <ploum> Laney: thanks a lot !
[23:49] <ploum> it will help :-)
[23:50] <ploum> Is there a way to automatically take the upstream source changelog ?
[23:52] <sistpoty> ploum: you shouldn't do this... debian/changelog should describe mainly the changes to *packaging* (but of course you could highlights of new upstream features there as subitems of "new upstream release"
[23:53] <ploum> sistpoty: ok, thanks for the information
[23:53] <sistpoty> np ;)
[23:54]  * sistpoty goes to bed now... gn8 everyone


[22:33] <xangua> with it*
[22:33] <cogsu> anyone used aur3?
[22:33] <pushpop> yes compiz is running
[22:33] <pushpop> how do I get my window borders back
[22:33] <yaaar> Hi everybody. I have a 32-bit 10.04.02 LTS server that's locking up on me regularly. I get a whole bunch of stack traces in the logs like these: http://pastebin.com/Vt1NnTGf ...always seems to be rsync, which makes me think it's related to a backup operation (to a local BackupPC server) ...any idea what might be wrong?
[22:33] <drizt> switch10_: thank you
[22:34] <guampa> pushpop: hit alt+f2 and type "emerald --replace" without the quotes
[22:34] <ayecee> yaaar: this doesn't look complete, is there more above?
[22:34] <pushpop> guampa still no borders
[22:34] <pushpop> it removed borders around my terminal
[22:35] <guampa> try resetting compiz instead: compiz --replace
[22:35] <nothingspecial> dritz dpkg --get-selections | sed 's/install//g'
[22:35] <pushpop>  Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a decoration manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current decoration manager.
[22:36] <Nonamehero2> Polah, the command im using is "grub-install /boot=/media/drive/boot /dev/sdc"
[22:36] <wolfik> hi
[22:37] <guampa> pushpop: try resetting compiz: compiz --replace
[22:38] <wolfik> i teach in gymnasium and i have 18 computers i try use oneconf but it don't work in ubuntu 10.10 if this work just in 11.04?
[22:40] <__Cache> hi
[22:40] <wolfik> i would like to synchronize all pc to one if this possible?
[22:40] <yaaar> ayecee: there are tons of those, but they appear to just repeat...
[22:41] <ayecee> in each case the detect crt and status show functions are at the top of the stack?
[22:41] <ayecee> yaaar: I'm not seeing anywhere where it says _why_ it's showing the stack. Normally it'd say there was a panic or something, _then_ dump it, so it looks cut off.
[22:42] <yaaar> ok lemme go get some more
[22:43] <tbruff13> Does anyone know of a good English to spanish translator for ubuntu
[22:43] <wolfik> can you help me?
[22:44] <bdamos> hello all, does anybody know how to set nondefault location for the desktop (not the home directory)?
[22:45] <yaaar> ayecee: well i doubt this is any better. but here's the first part...as you can see there's a two-hour gap between the first message (which looks to be the last boot message) and the second one (the first of the crash messages) http://pastebin.com/TvG2fuCN
[22:45] <edbian> I'd like to have vlc launched when I view a flash player instead of the browser playing it.  Is that possible?  Is there an add-on ?
[22:45] <genii-around> bdamos: .config/user-dirs.dirs
[22:46] <tbruff13> is their any offline spanish to english translators
[22:46] <bdamos> genii-around: thanks for the quick response. i'll check that out!
[22:46] <tfogal> Hey all, I'm seeing some very strange apt behavior on a fresh 10.10 install, for example "No candidate version found for gcc" after an "aptitude install gcc"
[22:46] <wolfik> translate.google.pl try this
[22:46] <ayecee> yaaar: weird. yeah, the context is helpful, but i can't imagine what it's doing the stack trace about.
[22:47] <genii-around> bdamos: np
[22:47] <tfogal> I'm a bit stuck on how to even debug this.. ideas?
[22:47] <Logan_> !info gnome-translate | tbruff13
[22:47] <ayecee> yaaar: though, from what you describe and the stack trace, it seems to be a probelm in the i915 display driver triggered by heavy io load.
[22:47] <genii-around> tfogal: Did you do yet apt-get update   ?
[22:47] <tbruff13> Logan_, how does it work does it have a gui and if so how do i get it
[22:47] <tfogal> genii-around: yes
[22:47] <tfogal> no errors, it seems
[22:48] <Logan_> tbruff13: yes, and enter: sudo apt-get install gnome-translate
[22:48] <Logan_> in a terminal
[22:48] <ayecee> yaaar: might be interesting to check the kernel source and see what's going on in intel_crt_load_detect()
[22:48] <tbruff13> Logan_, does it work offline and for english to spanish
[22:48] <tfogal> genii-around: an aptitude safe-upgrade worked when I gave it the --full-resolver option, but not before
[22:49] <Cybris> #vhost
[22:49] <Logan_> tbruff13: I believe so
[22:50] <tbruff13> Logan okay how does it work
[22:50] <Logan_> tbruff13: test it out :)
[22:50] <wolfik> i have 18 computers i try use oneconf but it don't work in ubuntu 10.10 if this work just in 11.04?
[22:50] <genii-around> !info oneconf maverick
[22:51] <wolfik> i have install oneconf but it dosn't work
[22:51] <tfogal> You will need to explain what "doesn't work" means.
[22:52] <wolfik> i mark show inventories from other computer & share this computer's inventory but i don't see any option to synchronize
[22:52] <tbruff13> Logan_, it does not work
[22:53] <Logan_> ok
[22:53] <tbruff13> i get mess when i use it
[22:53] <tbruff13> hola

[22:53] <tbruff13> that is what hello means
[22:53] <tbruff13> in spanish
[22:53] <tbruff13> why doesn't it just say hola
[22:54] <wolfik> tfogal do you try help me?? pls
[22:56] <tfogal> wolfik: I know nothing about oneconf, never even heard of it, I was just letting you know that you need to report issues effectively; "it doesn't work" is not helpful to anyone ;P
[22:56] <RichardoCrispus> Hi there
[22:56] <RichardoCrispus> I was looking for a wee bit of assistance
[22:57] <RichardoCrispus> I have one of these kicking about my house http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?cc=uk&lc=en&dlc=en&product=501877 and would like to install ubuntu on it as, to be honest, XP is dying a death on it
[22:57] <RichardoCrispus> However the live CD (10.10 and 9.04) won't boot
[22:57] <RichardoCrispus> And Zorin (An ubuntu derivative) Experiences graphical issues when running
[22:57] <RichardoCrispus> Any suggestions?
[23:01] <Miciah> Hello.  Is there anything I might do that would fix 'Failed to fetch ... Size mismatch' errors from apt (apt-get or aptitude)?
[23:01] <maco> Miciah: is that from install/upgrade or from update?
[23:01] <Miciah> maco: Install.
[23:01] <maco> Miciah: try "sudo apt-get update"
[23:01] <Miciah> maco: Done that, repeatedly.
[23:01] <Miciah> maco: I have a fresh install of natty.  I'm reinstalling a lot of packages, but many of them give me that error.
[23:02] <maco> Miciah: oh. then in that case id guess maybe the server is being weird. you could try a different mirror i guess
[23:02] <nopf> Miciah: or wait a day or so... :)
[23:02] <Miciah> maco: I've tried two, including us.archive.ubuntu.com.  I could try another mirror.
[23:02] <terry> RichardoCrispus: I just installed on one of those not long ago. Worked fine..  You might check the media.  Or see if any other boot disk works in that CDROM drive, (make sure the drive is ok).
[23:02] <Miciah> nopf: I've been having this problem for a couple of weeks.
[23:02] <nopf> oh
[23:02] <maco> Miciah: i think us.archive and archive are the same
[23:03] <RichardoCrispus> The drive is ok
[23:03] <RichardoCrispus> And I can boot Knoppix
[23:03] <terry> RichardoCrispus: You have it set up to boot to CDROM, right?
[23:03] <RichardoCrispus> Yes
[23:03] <terry> o
[23:03] <Miciah> maco: I also tried archive.linux.duke.edu.  I could try another mirror...
[23:03] <Noble> Is it possible to sync all google content (calendar, mail, contacts)  into Evolution in some "exchange"-way? Put inn your uname/pw and *Wham* there it is?
[23:03] <terry> RichardoCrispus: Well, must be problem with the media.
[23:03] <RichardoCrispus> I can also boot Zorin, but I do have graphical issues
[23:03] <Miciah> maco: I did verify with curl -I and apt-cache showpkg, and the file sizes do indeed differ.
[23:03] <maco> Miciah: is apt-get update giving you errors when you runi t?
[23:03] <maco> *run it?
[23:03] <terry> RichardoCrispus: I don't know what zorin is.
[23:04] <RichardoCrispus> It's a new Ubuntu derivative, based around a windows 7 UI
[23:04] <bing> ?
[23:04] <terry> RichardoCrispus: Try Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.  (You'll be glad you did.)
[23:04] <RichardoCrispus> I'll give that a go
[23:05] <Miciah> maco: maco Yes, but not for the Ubuntu repositories, only for ftp.us.debian.org and apt.duke4.net.
[23:05] <RichardoCrispus> It's for my parents, XP's dying and they just need a low powered computer for internet
[23:05] <maco> Miciah: wait...you have debian and ubuntu repositories mixed?
[23:05] <ablmf> I'm installing ubuntu
[23:06] <Miciah> maco: Yes, but I haven't installed anything from Debian at this point, I have Ubuntu pinned, and I've tried apt-get install -t natty and -t maverick.
[23:06] <ablmf> But as I have nothing to do, I opened the "how fast.ogg" on the desktop.
[23:06] <ablmf> Now the system stopped responding.
[23:07] <ablmf> Is there any way to save the installation?
[23:07] <RichardoCrispus> Btw, how is ubuntu/Windows 7 networking? (Ie being able to access public folders on each os)
[23:08] <Miciah> maco: Anyway, the Content-Length from the mirror and the Size in the package listing definitely differ (I checked with curl -I and apt-cache showpkg).
[23:08] <shaosin> Anyone knows how to install drftpd?
[23:10] <tbruff13> Are their any other offline translators for ubuntu
[23:11] <Miciah> 'apt-cache show', rather, not 'apt-cache showpkg'.
[23:12] <Miciah> I just tried another mirror (http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/), and I have the same problem (and see the same discrepancy between the package listing and actual file sizes).
[23:14] <alien_> anyone know how to list all software within a given PPA?
[23:14] <Miciah> How is it that this problem is not generating enourmous amounts of complaints from other Ubuntu users? Maybe there's an evil proxy interfering with my connection (both at home and at university!?)?
[23:14] <maco> Miciah: it sounds like you're having a local apt-cache problem, but i dont know how to fix it :-/
[23:16] <Miciah> maco: OK, well thanks for trying.  I'll poke around some more.
[23:17] <zvacet> alien_: if you installed ppa then you can find all ppa software in synaptic
[23:17] <Shyster_> sup everyone
[23:17] <tbruff13> offline translator
[23:17] <tbruff13> for ubuntu
[23:17] <Shyster_> i gotta problem i have a 20" LCD display on my desktop an xunbuntu detects it as a crt monitor and cuts off some of the right side of the screen
[23:18] <Shyster_> an doesn't give me any wide screen resolutions to change it to
[23:18] <alien_> zvacet:  Ahh great that a solution ;) .. do you know if this can be done via terminal ?
[23:21] <needhelp1> whats the room for the next release of ubuntu?
[23:21] <zvacet> alien_ : no sorry
[23:21] <needhelp1> ubuntu-release?
[23:22] <zvacet> alien_ : I mean I don´t know command for that
[23:22] <Pici> needhelp1: #ubuntu+1
[23:22] <alien_> zvacet: thats fine .. thanks a lot for your help ...
[23:23] <zvacet> alien_ : sorry I was not much of help
[23:23] <needhelp1> Pici, thanks
[23:25] <yasmin_> ciao
[23:25] <fredd2> JKGJH
[23:25] <Hathadar> How do I cause my windows box to recognize my ubuntu hostname?
[23:26] <fredd1> ciao ragazzi qualcuno sa dirmi dove mi trovo?
[23:27] <gianni__> spyder49
[23:27] <Pici> !it | fredd1
[23:27] <gianni__> ciao
[23:28] <gianni__> syder49 ciao
[23:28] <Pici> !it | gianni__
[23:28] <fredd1> ubottu, ed esattamente cosa devo fare, scrivere sulla riga di sopra?
[23:28] <induz> How can i install wine-door on Ubuntu, i have wineTricks though
[23:28] <induz> are they the same?/
[23:30] <denneme> hello all, I'm getting an error saying that the disk drive for /home is not ready yet or not present. therefore i can not login to my desktop. i have an lvm setup with encrypted /home partition. checked the /etc/fstab everything looks normal. any idea why this is happening?
[23:31] <Polah> Can anyone help me with some mouse problems in 10.10 64-bit. It worked fine when I had 32-bit but now it clicks randomly at times and attempts to scroll upwards half the time.
[23:32] <victorhugo289> hello
[23:32] <victorhugo289> Guys, I need some help
[23:33] <victorhugo289> I've been finding a strange couple of files in some of my Windows shared folders: khy and qffhtx.exe
[23:33] <victorhugo289> Now, I use Ubuntu, so I'm not that scared of those files here, but I am when I am in Windows
[23:34] <victorhugo289> I just ran qffhtx.exe using Wine and guess what?
[23:34] <dotlegend> what is a recommended backup program to backup my home folder at certain times?
[23:34] <victorhugo289> A strange looking applet appeared on the top panel, saying "Script paused"|
[23:35] <victorhugo289> How can I access the script?\
[23:35] <ray24> can you improve cognitive ability by playing Ubuntu logic games?
[23:35] <victorhugo289> I double click the .exe file and all I see is the "Unable to open archive" message.
[23:35] <victorhugo289> I can't see what's inside
[23:35] <needhelp1> victorhugo289, your on linux trying to run an .exe file?
[23:36] <victorhugo289> I am on Ubuntu trying to OPEN an .exe file and see what it is about
[23:36] <victorhugo289> I know they don't run, I feel safe because of that.
[23:36] <victorhugo289> But I ran it using WINE
[23:36] <fredd1> ubottu come faccio a registrarmi sul canale che mi hai detto
[23:36] <victorhugo289> And there appeared a strange looking applet  on the top panel!!
[23:36] <Tongpow> what do you have to use to change login manager themes in 10.10
[23:36] <victorhugo289> It says "Script paused" and it says "Exit"
[23:37] <victorhugo289> Anyone??
[23:37] <Tongpow> cant seem to find anything that works in compiz,art manager..etc
[23:38] <keyUp> i have very annoying problem
[23:38] <Polah> victorhugo289, you can open .exe files with Archive Manager. I suggest ending the process and WINE through System Monitor.
[23:38] <keyUp> it was all fine, then today because of some reason when I plug off power cable from my laptop screen go darker
[23:38] <Polah> !ask | keyUp
[23:39] <shaosin> Polah u know what version of drftpd its better to install on ubunto
[23:39] <shaosin> ?
[23:39] <keyUp> in power managment it is unset to go blank but still it goes..
[23:39] <Polah> shaosin: What is that? Is it for running an FTP server?
[23:39] <needhelp1> keyup, please try to ask your entire question in one return, its hard to read fragmented questions
[23:40] <Polah> shaosin: If yes, I might recommend using vsftpd. I don't have experience with any other FTP server software
[23:42] <keyUp> it was all fine, then today because of some reason when I plug off power cable from my laptop screen go darker, in power managment it is unset to go blank but still it goes..
[23:42] <needhelp1> shaosin, have you tried filezilla
[23:42] <jayant> hello everyone. I have ubuntu 10.10 and I want to install xubuntu because of old hardware. Installing the xubuntu-desktop package will do or do i need to remove all gnome and kde packages as given on xubuntu's website ?
[23:42] <bastidrazor> jayant: if you want xubuntu only, then uninstalling gnome and kde packages is required.
[23:43] <th0r> jayant: just install the desktop...having gnome and kde on the drive won't slow anything down unless you use it
[23:43] <Polah> needhelp1: Oh, is drftpd an FTP client? I assumed it was for running an FTP server
[23:43] <th0r> jayant: (use them)
[23:43] <WeThePeople> are there any good bookmarks organizers out there
[23:43] <jayant> bastidrazor: thanks for the reply
[23:43] <Polah> WeThePeople, Firefox has a built-in bookmark manager at least.
[23:44] <Nonamehero21> Is there an easy way to modify the grub boot loader?
[23:44] <needhelp1> Polah, no idea, i just know that for me, filezilla has always been great. Filezilla has a client and server so it may be worth looking into, what are you trying to do?
[23:44] <erUSUL> !grub2 | Nonamehero21
[23:44] <jayant> th0r: thank you. Are applications for xubuntu differet. Does this mean that If i run applications that i have already installed on ubuntu then they will run slow and i if i install them for xubuntu, then they will work fine?
[23:45] <needhelp1> jayant, what are you running in ubuntu that is running slow?
[23:45] <Polah> needhelp1: Ah, it's a Java-based FTP server.
[23:45] <th0r> jayant: the gnome and kde apps will still use their libs and run slower. For max performance you should look into the xfce apps...mousepad, thunar, xfburn, etc
[23:46] <jayant> needhelp1: nearly everything, tux guitar, anything that runs along with firefox. Ubuntu software center and synaptic package manager work extremely slowly
[23:46] <keyUp> is there some bug going on with laptop power managment when cable is pluged of or?
[23:47] <needhelp1> jayant, are you on 10.10 with all recent updates ?
[23:47] <jayant> th0r: ok thank you. after i install that package, what next will i have to do ?
[23:48] <jayant> needhelp1: no, I dont update because update manager slows down my system too. It works fine alone though, but i am unable to run anything along with it
[23:48] <shaosin> Polah its for a ftp server
[23:49] <jayant> I have an 8 year old PC
[23:49] <needhelp1> jayant, has it always been this slow, or did it just start doing this? did it ever run fine?
[23:49] <Polah> shaosin: Look into getting vsftpd instead.
[23:49] <keyUp> when I plug of cable for power from my laptop screen brightness lowers even in settings is set to 100% when on battery why?
[23:49] <shaosin> lftp?
[23:49] <shaosin> Polah
[23:49] <needhelp1> could this be a problem with keyUp's backlight .. problem with the laptop itself ?
[23:49] <jayant> needhelp1: a long time ago, i tried installing ubuntu 9.10 and that worked fine. Windows xp runs fine but ubuntu 10.10 never did
[23:50] <jayant> th0r: what command on the terminal will i have to use to install apps for xubuntu ? Like sudo apt-get install for ubuntu ?
[23:50] <keyUp> no i don't think so
[23:50] <araga> hello people
[23:51] <needhelp1> jayant, did you upgrade from 9.10 to 10.10 ? or did you do a cd fresh install?
[23:51] <brightspark> I installed mozplugger as per the Forums, but cannot get evince to display pdfs inside firefox.  I'd appreciate any help you can give.
[23:51] <jayant> needhelp1: Fresh cd install. Erased entire disk
[23:51] <needhelp1> jayant, may want to ask in #xubuntu
[23:51] <needhelp1> jayant, hum.. 11.04 beta is out tomorrow :)
[23:52] <jayant> needhelp1: ok..thanks a lot for your time
[23:52] <jayant> needhelp1: New OSs are not meant for 8 year old box
[23:52] <erUSUL> jayant: apt-get works in all versions of ubuntu ( and in all debian based distros for that matter )
[23:53] <jayant> erUSUL: will i have any problem if i install same application again but from xubuntu
[23:53] <erUSUL> jayant: sorry; what same applications? i do not understand what you are asking...
[23:55] <jayant> erUSUL: like i have installed audacity, tuxGuitar nd stuff that work slowly. But after i install the xubuntu-desktop package, will i have to download them again ? If yes, then will a new copy have problems with the old existing ones ?
[23:55] <erUSUL> jayant: no; you do not have to download them again
[23:55] <jayant> erUSUL: then how will my system work fine ?
[23:56] <th0r> jayant: running xfce will not speed up something like audacity. You will have to try out various packages and see what performs well and what doesn't
[23:56] <Tusker> heya guys, I'm having an issue with chromium-browser hanging (only kill pages dialog works), but for some reason google-chrome works fine.   how can I debug the issue ?
[23:56] <erUSUL> jayant: well xubuntu's desktop envoirment is said to use less resources then gnome. so more resources are free for the apps. that may improve things i dunno
[23:57] <jayant> th0r: what various packages ?
[23:57] <jayant> erUSUL: oh, ok...thank you
[23:57] <jayant> how do i download a synaptic package from the terminal ?
[23:58] <erUSUL> jayant: sudo apt-get install packagename
[23:58] <erUSUL> !software | jayant
[23:58] <th0r> jayant: for instance, gedit will still run slow, but mousepad will probably perform nicely. Xfburn will perform better than brasero, thunar will perform better than nautilus
[23:59] <th0r> jayant: while all those 'better' packages can be run in gnome, they will run better in xfce due to the smaller resource demands of the wm
[23:59] <jayant> erUSUL: sudo apt-get install works for packages or for applications ?