[06:57] <Jormundgand> I'm not waiting six months to get the latest and most secure version of anything. You can't transplant security fixes from one version into two versions back. You install the latest and get everything that comes with it.
[06:57] <webby> I like to have an app, but it's available in source only
[06:57] <kestas> how do you tell programs where to load shared objects (.so) from?
[06:57] <e-guru> goofrider: yeah well, I think everybody is right about this subject depending on the situation
[06:57] <webby> does some one like to build a .deb ?
[06:57] <kestas> I thought it was ld.conf
[06:57] <kestas> but that hasnt worked
[06:57] <Seveas> Jormundgand, SECURITY fixes ARE applied
[06:57] <Edgan> The funny thing about brute force attacks is Ubuntu doesn't install sshd by default.
[06:57] <samuel_> sup all
[06:57] <Seveas> new features (read: new bugs) are not
[06:57] <goldfish> Edgan: :)
[06:57] <e-guru> goofrider: I will go and try suspend etc. in my laptop
[06:57] <samuel_> anyone know what format the /var/mail/inbox is? is it mbox?
[06:57] <Jormundgand> Seveas: Except they're fixes for 1.0.4, not 1.0.2. I want 1.0.4, not 1.0.4-with-fixes-from-a year-ahead.
[06:57] <goofrider> e-guru, just like I said, use sudo for a while and change it back if u think it's uselss for u
[06:58] <stuNNed> Seveas: is the gamin bug considered new?
[06:58] <webby> I like to have an app, but it's available in source only. does some one like to build a .deb ?
[06:58] <Jormundgand> In other words, stay living five years ago but make sure that five years ago is impenetrable.
[06:58] <Seveas> Jormundgand, fixes for 1.0.4 will be applied IF they apply to 1.0.2 too
[06:58] <anang> anyone install coldfusion on ubuntu ?
[06:58] <stuNNed> webby: you can build a deb with it
[06:58] <xMaximex_> g14: so if i search with gnutella, it search on both limewire and bearshare network ?
[06:58] <Seveas> Jormundgand, 5 years is nonsense
[06:58] <webby> I don't know how
[06:58] <goofrider> e-guru, sudo really sounds counter-inituitve to tradtional sysadmin philosophies until u use it for a while,
[06:58] <Seveas> 6 months
[06:58] <forse_root> iptables has one graphical interface?
[06:58] <anang> anyone install coldfusion on ubuntu ?
[06:58] <Jormundgand> Seveas, six months is a long time in terms of upgrades.
[06:59] <kestas> hey, anyone know how to specify where .so's can be found?
[06:59] <Seveas> Jormundgand, why?
[06:59] <Jormundgand> When Hoary was released Firefox was at 1.0.2. Now it's at 1.0.4 and we're two versions behind.
[06:59] <dcraven> CarlK: I'm not sure dpkg resolves dependancy issues. You may need apt for that.
[06:59] <Seveas> so far you've lived without feature X, so six months wont hurt
[06:59] <Di42lo> I'v installed with apt-get a new kernel on my ubuntu and i got kernel panic...how to fix that ?
[06:59] <anang> I cannot get coldfusion to autostart
[06:59] <Jormundgand> "Port" all the security updates you want, but it's still labelled as 1.0.2.
[06:59] <Seveas> security fixes will be applied
[06:59] <goofrider> Jormundgand, those 2 point releases since 1.0.2 are all just security fixes, not new features
[06:59] <IIIEars> no GUI for IPTABLES - there are many good samples posted to the net
[06:59] <anang> I tried cp cfmx-init.sh to /etc/init.d
[07:00] <Seveas> Jormundgand, security is more important than being on the bleeding edge
[07:00] <webby> stuNNed, how do I do that?
[07:00] <stuNNed> IIIEars: firestarter is
[07:00] <Jormundgand> Not when there is zero chance of being attacked.
[07:00] <Seveas> if you think otherwise, you're more of a gentoo person :)
[07:00] <stuNNed> IIIEars: oh sorry
[07:00] <goofrider> Jormundgand, would it make u feel better if I tel u how to rename firefox to 1.0.4 in your system/.
[07:00] <Seveas> Jormundgand, but there is a good chance of having new bugs...
[07:00] <stuNNed> webby: with google?
[07:00] <Jormundgand> NTL put up ridiculous amounts of security. You couldn't get to my system if you tried.
[07:00] <Di42lo> How can load another kernel with the ubuntu cd-rom ?
[07:00] <e-guru> goofrider: it is probably useful if you would want one user to access certain commands with root privileges only... but thats not the case for me, so it is not very useful :) I will try suspend/standby etc. now...thanks for the info...
[07:01] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it's not about that at all
[07:01] <IIIEars> stuNNed - Firestarter - it just wasn't easy enough - wide grin
[07:01] <g14> xMaximex_, More correctly, if you search with limewire or bearshare, you are searching the gnutella network
[07:01] <refuze2looze> oh shit.. i can't start any programs.. i'm getting "relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol_dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" any program that i try to run.. i fear if i restart my computer it will never boot what should i do
[07:01] <Seveas> it's about not wanting to introduce new bugs, which can cause security leaks
[07:01] <Seveas> refuze2looze, instaled a new glibc?
[07:01] <Di42lo> I'v installed with apt-get a new kernel on my ubuntu and i got kernel panic...how to fix that ?
[07:01] <Jormundgand> I highly doubt Mozilla will release anything with bugs in it, and even if they do it'll be fixed before you can say "antidisestablishmentarianism".
[07:01] <anang> hello ??
[07:01] <g14> refuze2looze, dust off your install cd?
[07:01] <Seveas> ROFL!!
[07:01] <anang> Coldfusion on UBUNTU, anyone ?
[07:02] <Seveas> Jormundgand, FF 1.0 was buggy beyond repair
[07:02] <refuze2looze> Seveas: i'm afraid so, and it messed up a lot of stuff so i downgraded back to the ubuntu version. and now this..
[07:02] <Seveas> ubuntu even downgraded!
[07:02] <Seveas> i warned you about that, you broke your system beyond repair...
[07:02] <Seveas> (last one was for refuze2looze)
[07:02] <IIIEars> Di42lo - make an entry in grub to boot from your old kernel?
[07:02] <Thirsteh> Is it possible to stop all those Evolution services from starting? They use over 200megs of RAM and I'm not even using Evolution!
[07:02] <alisonc> hi, I installed reaplayer (using the 5.04 Ubuntu guide) but realplayer does not work unless I disabled the 'sound server'-can someone please tell me how to uninstall realplayer?  thank you
[07:02] <VedumNocte> well now he can refuse to reinstall he he
[07:02] <refuze2looze> Seveas: so i have to reinstall ubuntu now?
[07:02] <Seveas> Thirsteh, please don't confuse shared mem with actual mem :)
[07:03] <VedumNocte> ah fake debian users
[07:03] <Seveas> refuze2looze, well, try rebooting
[07:03] <VedumNocte> gotta love it
[07:03] <Thirsteh> Seveas, whatever the hell it is, how do I do it?
[07:03] <g14> Thirsteh: try thunderbird. It's more lightweight
[07:03] <Seveas> if that fails, reinstall
[07:03] <anang> guess there is no use asking ?
[07:03] <Thirsteh> Doh.. I'm not looking for an email program
[07:03] <goofrider> refuze2looze, how did u ended up downgrading your system?
[07:03] <Thirsteh> I'm saying I don't even use it
[07:03] <Thirsteh> And I never have
[07:03] <e-guru> one question, how do I get identified in this irc server -> [20:02]  [515]  #FreeBSD You need to be identified to join that channel
[07:03] <Thirsteh> But all its services are running
[07:03] <Seveas> Thirsteh, i believe you found memory usage with top?
[07:03] <Thirsteh> e-guru, /msg chanserv help
[07:03] <lexmarvs> alguna persona q hable espannol
[07:04] <lexmarvs> necesito ayuda
[07:04] <Seveas> lexmarvs, #ubuntu-es
[07:04] <Thirsteh> Seveas, can you tell me how to stop them from starting or are you just going to mock me?
[07:04] <lexmarvs> espannol
[07:04] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i installed a newer version of glibc, it led to serious ass problems with synaptic telling me i have broken packages and wanting to uninstall a bunch of stuff. so i downgraded back to the ubuntu version of libc (2.3.2 i think)
[07:04] <lexmarvs> where talk in espannol
[07:04] <Seveas> Thirsteh, no i am just asking you how you determined memory usage...
[07:04] <goofrider> Thirsteh, they don't that 200MB real RAM, just virtual moemory
[07:04] <e-guru> Thirsteh: thanks
[07:04] <IIIEars> lex -#Ubuntu-es
[07:04] <Seveas> lexmarvs, #ubuntu-es
[07:04] <goofrider> don;t **take**
[07:04] <lexmarvs> thx
[07:04] <e-guru> Thirsteh: [20:04]  [Notice]  -ChanServ- You must be logged in for ChanServ::HELP ?
[07:04] <IIIEars> De nada
[07:04] <refuze2looze> anyways there's not much i can do i guess, i'll try restarting
[07:04] <goofrider> refuze2looze, u upgraded glibsc? why? and where? breezy? source???
[07:05] <Thirsteh> e-guru, /msg chanserv register
[07:05] <Seveas> e-guru, /msg nickserv help
[07:05] <Seveas> :)
[07:05] <Thirsteh> oh yeah sorry
[07:05] <Thirsteh> it's nickserv
[07:05] <Seveas> nickserv is for nickname registration
[07:05] <Jormundgand> s///msg chanserv///chanserv
[07:05] <Thirsteh> Just woke up
[07:05] <FX|Laptop> god this backporting sucks.
[07:05] <Seveas> FX|Laptop, :)
[07:05] <e-guru> Seveas: [20:05]  [Error]  NickServ: No such nick/channel.
[07:06] <alisonc> does anyone use realplayer (ubuntu 5.04)?
[07:06] <goofrider> refuze2looze, at this point, I'd suggest u pin hoary to 1001 and downgrading the complete system, u got nothing to lose at this point
[07:06] <e-guru> Seveas: sorry :) I was on wrong server heh
[07:06] <refuze2looze> goofrider: because a program (gimpshop) said it required the newer version and would not start so i was stupid enough to install the debian package from it (after compiling it from source did not work)
[07:06] <e-guru> Seveas: wrong server window :(
[07:06] <Seveas> ;)
[07:06] <goofrider> refuze2looze, OMG u install a newer glibc from Sid??? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
[07:07] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i didn't know this would happen!! well i sure learned my lesson
[07:07] <refuze2looze> that was so stupid of me to do
[07:07] <refuze2looze> and i was warned about it too
[07:07] <refuze2looze> hehe
[07:07] <Lafitte-> how do i scan usb devices ??
[07:07] <nalioth> refuze2looze: linux is learning
[07:07] <Seveas> ;))
[07:07] <Seveas> Lafitte-, lsusb will list them if that's what you mean
[07:07] <AeSSeD> anyone have a abit an8 fatality with lmsensors ?
[07:07] <refuze2looze> anyways, time to reinstall
[07:07] <goofrider> refuze2looze, u've been served. Now try pinning hoary to 1001 and see if the system can downgrade back to hoary successfully
[07:07] <Thirsteh> lol, why didn't he just do a distupgrade?'
[07:07] <e-guru> Seveas: thanks, nickserv worked
[07:08] <Jormundgand> This ridiculous six-month upgrade schedule seems to be Ubuntu's curse. You're basically stuck six months in the past until you can upgrade and become redundant all over again.
[07:08] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it's not a cause, it's a blessing
[07:08] <nalioth> AeSSeD: does that board work well?
[07:08] <goofrider> Thirsteh, dist-upgrade won't downgrade. u have to pin to 1001 to downgrade to an older versin
[07:08] <Seveas> Jormundgand, it means you'll have a stable and secure system
[07:08] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, it's not ridiculous, it's better than getting slightly updated packages all the time that are unstable
[07:08] <Thirsteh> goofrider, shrug
[07:08] <Jormundgand> Seveas: What's it supposed to protect me from?
[07:08] <AeSSeD> nalioth, yes...
[07:08] <Seveas> Jormundgand, new bugs...
[07:08] <g14> Jormundgand, reboots
[07:08] <webby> how do I build an app from  source?
[07:08] <nalioth> AeSSeD: was thinkin of gettin one
[07:08] <Jormundgand> I'm impenetrable over here, I couldn't let someone into this system if I tried.
[07:09] <Seveas> but i've only said that a dozen times or so...
[07:09] <webby> or atleast make a .deb from source?
[07:09] <nalioth> webby: "sudo apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[07:09] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  yes
[07:09] <goofrider> Jormundgand, if u live moving target, try Gentoo
[07:09] <psychonate> Jormundgand, that doesn't mean your system is stable...
[07:09] <goofrider> or Debian Sid
[07:09] <webby> nalioth, no
[07:09] <nalioth> webby: then you use dpkg on it
[07:09] <webby> the app I want is not in the repo's
[07:09] <nalioth> webby ah you did not give all info
[07:09] <Seveas> webby, then it depends on the program
[07:09] <g14> webby: Have you downloaded the source?
[07:09] <Seveas> webby, what are you trying to install?
[07:09] <Jormundgand> I installed WINDOWS and never did I get cracked. I threw my e-mail address about like confetti and never got any spam.
[07:10] <nalioth> webby use checkinstall instead of "make install"
[07:10] <webby> http://www.rexi.org/software/lyman/index.html
[07:10] <zenrox> hears a good question what file do i need to edit to change to get my specal vol key to change the vol on the pcm vol control and not the master
[07:10] <psychonate> Jormundgand, I think the issue is more about stability.
[07:10] <webby> that's the program webpage
[07:10] <goofrider> Jormundgand, yeah and with Windows u also get a kernel that hasn't been upgraded for like 10 years
[07:10] <webby> can some one help me build a .deb ?
[07:10] <Seveas> Jormundgand, do you even LISTEN to what we say???
[07:10] <psychonate> btw people
[07:10] <Jormundgand> I think people are too anal about "security" that they forgo good new features in the name of "security". Way to live in the paat.
[07:10] <Jormundgand> past*
[07:10] <Di42lo> IIIEarsIIIEarsIIIEarsIIIEars
[07:10] <goofrider> Jormundgand, and windows doesn't prevent spam for u
[07:10] <dabaSlon> webby, http://pastebin.ca/11799
[07:10] <psychonate> Jormundgand, again, I think the issue is more about stability.
[07:10] <Seveas> you keep bragging about never being hacked but security and stability are not just about hacking
[07:10] <Di42lo> IIIEars how can i access the grub conf file ?
[07:11] <Di42lo> IIIEars Any live cd isnt working
[07:11] <dabaSlon> webby, not a deb, though, just compilation from source.
[07:11] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, lol, just shut up already, getting "cracked", jeeez...
[07:11] <Seveas> Thirsteh, Jormundgand is kinda clueless
[07:11] <nalioth> webby use checkinstall instead of "make install"
[07:11] <Seveas> too bad it took us so long to figure it out :)
[07:11] <psychonate> anyway, I was very angry yesterday because Firefox froze my system up entirely, and that should never happen IMO
[07:11] <Jormundgand> Seveas: I added the "staging" repos of backports which are apparently labelled as "treat them as Debian unstable" and what happens? Nothing at all.
[07:11] <goofrider> Jormundgand, if u choose to forgo secuirty for your system, that's gr8. It's your PC. but OS vendors and developers has to do it for EVERYONE, not just u
[07:11] <Thirsteh> Seveas, no kidding
[07:11] <nalioth> webby: checkinstall makes debs
[07:11] <g14> Jormundgand: Thats why linux is more secure.  There are plenty of bleeding edge, moving target linux distros u can use, if that's what u like
[07:13] <dabaSlon> you know only of one secret level?
[07:13] <dabaSlon> :_p
[07:13] <CarlK> zenrox - right click the speaker icon, select properties
[07:13] <Seveas> Lafitte-, automounted devices are mounted under /media
[07:13] <Jormundgand> goofrider: I don't have the freedom to simply download a new distribution and use it.
[07:13] <webby> how do I execute a .jar file?
[07:13] <Jormundgand> CD-Rs are expensive.
[07:13] <psychonate> I don't know if ssh was running, but I was too pissed to get to another box and try to kill things.
[07:13] <Seveas> psychonate, sounds like a bigger problem tan an FF freeze
[07:13] <psychonate> sshd*
[07:13] <goofrider> Jormundgand, Windows has only one suuplier, u'r have no-one else to go to if u don;t like MS's policy or how they manage/develop the OS
[07:13] <zenrox> CarlK,  and slect PCM
[07:13] <forsaker8k6> hi people. an off-topic question: can someone suggest me a video editing software for linux?
[07:13] <dabaSlon> webby: almost just type its nmame in a terminal./..
[07:14] <Seveas> webby, java -jar <jarfile>
[07:14] <psychonate> well, whatever it is/was, it made me angry
[07:14] <zenrox> CarlK,  i have allready done that
[07:14] <goofrider> Jormundgand, mount the ISO as a loopback
[07:14] <goofrider> from the HDD, and istall from HDD
[07:14] <g14> forsaker8k6, kino or cinerella
[07:14] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, go install Gentoo, see if you can even get through the install, and then, if you can, if you like that better
[07:14] <zenrox> CarlK,  and it dont work
[07:14] <forsaker8k6> tnk a lot g14
[07:14] <psychonate> this is probably unrelated, but does Ubuntu's standard kernel use the preemptible option?
[07:14] <Seveas> dabaSlon, have fun :)
[07:15] <dabaSlon> Seveas: well, I hope it does not eat all my time...
[07:15] <Seveas> psychonate, if you REALLY want to know: download the source and look throught the .config ;)
[07:15] <Jormundgand> Thirsteh: Not allowed to download ISOs. Download ceiling.
[07:15] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me debug a vncviewer + gnome issue?  I ask anyone to try "vncviewer -listen" and see if you get X errors
[07:15] <bur[n] er> it works fine in XFCE, just not gnome
[07:15] <Lafitte-> Seveas,  so to sync a palm pilot what would i use for mount path ?
[07:15] <pixel83> hi, has anyone heard about a strange bug occuring under hoary with nvidia drivers when starting enemy territory?
[07:15] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, lol
[07:15] <CarlK> zenrox - how are you determining that it doesn't work?
[07:15] <Seveas> Lafitte-, no idea, never done that, sorry
[07:15] <goofrider> Jormundgand, the reason that u see what u see in Ubuntu now without pulling your hair out just to get it to work is exactly necause we have a 6 month cycle
[07:15] <psychonate> Seveas, ah, I wouldn't know what to look for
[07:15] <Lafitte-> Seveas, k
[07:16] <FreezerX> Is it already possible to get a typhoon dvb-t cardbus started with ubuntu?
[07:16] <KoseFrank> Hi. I have just installed the 64-bit version of Ubuntu, and I have a couple of questions.
[07:16] <Seveas> CONFIG_PREEMTIBLE=y oslt
[07:16] <zenrox> useing gkrellm to see witch vol slider is moving when using the specla vol key
[07:16] <zenrox> and it moves the aster
[07:16] <zenrox> master
[07:16] <Thirsteh> Jormundgand, if you don't like playing with your OS, being able to set up things exactly the way you like it, then install Windows again, no Linux is going to fit you, other than Linspire maybe
[07:16] <psychonate> Seveas, I assume that is a yes.
[07:16] <goofrider> Jormundgand, and here's you complain about ubuntu is restrictive about upgrading packages? Sounds like u should switch ISP first
[07:16] <Seveas> KoseFrank, read the topic, just ask :)
[07:16] <KoseFrank> Does it exist a flash-player for the 64bit-system?
[07:16] <Seveas> y = yes, n = no :)
[07:17] <psychonate> Seveas, I'm no expert, but I always thought that preemptible kernels were slightly less stable.
[07:17] <Seveas> KoseFrank, not at this time
[07:17] <Seveas> psychonate, no idea :)
[07:17] <KoseFrank> Ahh...  I'm just a beguinner, really
[07:18] <zenrox> CarlK,  so you understand what i am trying to do
[07:18] <bur[n] er> KoseFrank: ubuntuguide.org
[07:18] <goldfish> Jormundgand: If you want to go back to windows, give me your email, and i'll get you all the spam you want.
[07:19] <Seveas> KoseFrank, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will help too :)
[07:19] <dcraven> Jormundgand: The security features in place don't only protect your own data, but also the rest of us from your compromised system.
[07:19] <Seveas> bur[n] er, it runs here
[07:19] <CarlK> zenrox - yeah - I ust did it, and itmoves my PCM setting
[07:19] <bur[n] er> Seveas: using gnome?
[07:20] <zenrox> not me
[07:20] <Seveas> ah wait, it doesn;t
[07:20] <pixel83> has anyone heard of a screen-scrolling-in-lower-resolution-bug?
[07:20] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: there are several players, VLC is what ppl say comes installed with a lot of drivers.
[07:20] <Seveas> from the menu it was working
[07:20] <Jormundgand> dcraven: I challenge you to compromise my system.
[07:20] <zenrox> still moves my master
[07:20] <dcraven> Jormundgand: gimme a break
[07:20] <bur[n] er> thanks Seveas, i have no idea the problem... but at least I can bug report it now :\
[07:20] <Jormundgand> If you can compromise it then I take back everything I said and you can do what you like with what you can find.
[07:20] <KoseFrank> Ok
[07:20] <bur[n] er>   Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)
[07:20] <zenrox> CarlK, and i dont want it to ruin how i set up my master and surround settings
[07:20] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: I compiled the Mplayer from source, and have a good walkthrough of it on a pastebin...and I got all the codecs as -dev packages, and it all works pretty neat now.
[07:20] <nalioth> Jormundgand: what would we want with your stuff?
[07:20] <Seveas> bur[n] er, does it work from the menu?
[07:20] <bur[n] er> Seveas: -listen is not in the menu
[07:20] <psychonate> pixel83, sounds like your sync values aren't correct or something
[07:21] <dcraven> Jormundgand: There's a good chance it's already been done.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: in fact, vncviewer is not in the menu for me
[07:21] <goofrider> bur[n] er, which vnc package r u using though?
[07:21] <Seveas> bur[n] er, no, but there is a command that starts a vnc server
[07:21] <dcraven> s/good/reasonable
[07:21] <Jormundgand> nalioth: I have no idea, but it's just the challenge. You're babbling about "security" and I'm yet to see proof that I'm at all insecure.
[07:21] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: although, mplayer isin apt now, too, and there are also the totem-xine he hsaid, and xine-ui, that I happen to use most.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> goofrider: i tried the vanilla vncviewer & xtightvncviewer
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: that's different
[07:21] <Jormundgand> dcraven: Proof please.
[07:21] <Seveas> bur[n] er, ah :)
[07:21] <dabaSlon> KoseFrank: the restricted formats wiki is something you definitely wanna read, tho, cause it covers a lot of stuff.
[07:21] <bur[n] er> Seveas: listening is the client... but it waits for other servers to connect to you.. using port 5500
[07:22] <dcraven> Jormundgand: I don't have proof, of course. It's just a hunch.
[07:22] <nalioth> Jormundgand: unless you've done some wild things to your system, you are secure
[07:22] <Seveas> bur[n] er, wait a sec...
[07:22] <bur[n] er> Seveas: waiting :)
[07:22] <Jormundgand> Exactly. I'd need to be pretty stupid to be insecure, especially with NaziISP providing my internet connection.
[07:22] <pixel83> psyconate: I installed the driver according to ubuntuguide.org. this worked under warty, but now I installed hoary and this bug occured every time I start Enemy territory (which does not get past a black screen)
[07:22] <KoseFrank> I can see that
[07:22] <Jormundgand> I don't think I myself am running a firewall.
[07:22] <dcraven> Jormundgand: Malicious software counts on overconfident system admins.
[07:22] <dabaSlon> Jormundgand: well, for one, how do we know for a fact your system is configed as you say?
[07:22] <goofrider> bur[n] er, and both vanilla vncviewer and tightvnc gives u the same error?
[07:22] <goldfish> Jormundgand: are u running ubuntu?
[07:23] <Seveas> bur[n] er, do you remember where in the menu you could start it, I can't find it anymore but it is running :S
[07:23] <zenrox> so CarlK  you know of another way to change that
[07:23] <nalioth> Jormundgand: why would you run a fw when ubuntu is by default "listen-0nly"
[07:23] <dabaSlon> Jormundgand: I doont have a firewall either, so?
[07:23] <bur[n] er> Seveas: it's not in the menu
[07:23] <bur[n] er> goofrider: yes
[07:23] <psychonate> pixel83, Which driver?
[07:23] <Jormundgand> goldfish: Yes I am.
[07:23] <bur[n] er> goofrider: try it for yourself ;)
[07:23] <goldfish> k
[07:23] <goofrider> bur[n] er, I have vncserver running
[07:23] <pixel83> psychonate: the funny thing is that, while et is hanging... nvidia
[07:23] <bur[n] er> goofrider: vncviewer -listen is different
[07:24] <bur[n] er> it waits for servers to add you as a host... using port 5500 instead of vnc server port 5900
[07:24] <goofrider> but thtat mreans I'll have to stop the vnc daemon first!!!
[07:24] <pixel83> psyconate: ...I can scroll out of the black screen an use my desktop...
[07:24] <bur[n] er> it's for "reverse VNC" connections
[07:24] <goofrider> &*#*^&*#
[07:24] <bur[n] er> goofrider: no it doesn't
[07:24] <psychonate> pixel83, yes, I know what you mean
[07:24] <dabaSlon> Seveas: how do I shot after I get the flower
[07:24] <dabaSlon> ?

[07:24] <Seveas> same for running
[07:24] <Thirsteh> Is it possible to apt-get Enemy Territory?
[07:24] <dabaSlon> thanks
[07:24] <goofrider> bur[n] er, they use the same ports
[07:24] <psychonate> pixel83, I think I may have had that problem before on another distro. Let me try ET quick.
[07:24] <bur[n] er> goofrider: it shouldn't... they use different ports & different apps
[07:25] <bur[n] er> goofrider: vncviewer -listen uses port 5500.... a vnc server uses port 5800 & 5900 for web & client respectively
[07:25] <psychonate> pixel83, What you want to do is run ET from a terminal and look at the output in the terminal.
[07:25] <psychonate> pixel83, It will probably show you what it's getting hung on.
[07:25] <Jormundgand> Admittedly the wireless network is WEP-protected but it's only meant to be dummy protection anyway.
[07:25] <goofrider> bur[n] er, looks like it works
[07:25] <bur[n] er> goofrider:  you don't get X font errors?
[07:25] <bur[n] er> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[07:25] <bur[n] er>   Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)
[07:25] <goofrider> bur[n] er, nope
[07:25] <bur[n] er> using gnome?
[07:26] <goofrider> bur[n] er, yes.
[07:26] <dabaSlon> ahhh...there is running too...
[07:26] <bur[n] er> goofrider: may i connect to you to try?  u behind a router?
[07:26] <goofrider> bur[n] er, yes I am
[07:26] <bur[n] er> you should see my screen if i connect to you
[07:26] <pixel83> psyconate: sounds good, I'll try it. is there any way in removing that display error after its occurence other than rebooting?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> aww, nevermind :)
[07:26] <bur[n] er> if you map port 5500 i could test :)
[07:26] <bur[n] er> but i can't believe yours runs...
[07:26] <pixel83> I didn't find et in ps -A
[07:26] <bur[n] er> it just says waiting for connection?
[07:26] <goofrider> bur[n] er, and my shitty router requires it to be rebooted b4 new portfw to be effective
[07:27] <psychonate> pixel83, you mean you want to kill enemy territory without rebooting?
[07:27] <Octane> i really need help trying to get ubuntu installed
[07:27] <bur[n] er> goofrider: nevermind then ;)  thanks for the testing... maybe it's not an ubuntu bug... although i've had 2 other people reproduce it
[07:27] <Octane> i think i used a bad cd or whatever, but i wanna try to fix what's broken with apt
[07:27] <HappyFool> Octane: what's the problem?
[07:27] <goofrider> bur[n] er, it can be a missing Depends:
[07:27] <Seveas> bur[n] er, it's an ubuntu bug
[07:27] <dabaSlon> seveas, that game is easy:)
[07:27] <goofrider> bur[n] er, just install the relevant fonts and see if that fix it
[07:27] <pixel83> psyconate: yes, or just get rid of that black rectangle so I can work on...
[07:27] <drcode> hi all
[07:28] <Seveas> bur[n] er, please file it with the output attached, it's relatively easy to fix
[07:28] <dabaSlon> hey dr code
[07:28] <drcode> any one know edonkey console other then mldonkey?
[07:28] <Seveas> dabaSlon, wait until you get to the later levels
[07:28] <pixel83> psychonate: well, I'll try it now
[07:28] <psychonate> pixel83, hold on a sec
[07:28] <Seveas> or in the bonus island, try "abednego's area"
[07:28] <Octane> i cant install anything because i keep getting corrupted filesystem tarfile
[07:28] <pixel83> psychonate: ok
[07:28] <Octane> when i try to install the missing deps
[07:29] <goofrider> bur[n] er, Seveas is right. If u can figure out what is the missing fonts, attach the name of the package to the bug report so it can be added to the Depends line
[07:29] <bur[n] er> i'll try
[07:29] <goofrider> drcode, amule, xmule
[07:29] <bur[n] er> but i'm not sure where to even start
[07:29] <drcode> is x windows
[07:29] <bur[n] er> what are the relevant fonts??
[07:29] <drcode> I Want to run it in screen
[07:29] <bur[n] er> it works in xfce!!
[07:29] <Seveas> bur[n] er, just report it with the output attached, the devs will fix it, you don't need to
[07:29] <forsaker8k6> ufff... cinerella is not in ubuntu repos.. and kino does nothing then crash :(
[07:29] <bur[n] er> how could that be?  i must have the fonts right?
[07:29] <pixel83> psychonate: btw, do you mean a real terminal or a terminal under gnome?
[07:29] <goofrider> Octane, y are u installing tarballs? is there a partcular reason?
[07:29] <bur[n] er> Seveas: ok ok... thanks guys!!!
[07:30] <psychonate> pixel83, if the game hangs again, you should be able to hit ALT+CTRL+F2. Then, login, type 'ps -e' and look for enemy territory proccess. (I'm not sure what it will be called.)  Logout. Hit ALT+CTRL+F7 to get back to X.
[07:30] <pixel83> psychonate:okay.
[07:30] <psychonate> pixel83, oh
[07:30] <Lars_G> Why won't you seed? :'( evil, evil.
[07:30] <psychonate> pixel83, You can run the game in gnome-terminal. That will suffice.
[07:31] <goofrider> Octane, oh u installed with a bad cd
[07:31] <psychonate> well, *from* gnome-terminal would be a better word I suppose
[07:31] <goofrider> Octane, wasn't I helping u yesterday? how did it go?
[07:31] <Octane> goofrider: yes sir
[07:31] <Octane> goofrider: i didnt make much progress
[07:31] <Octane> i think i know which packages are the messed up ones but apt cant seem to fix emn
[07:31] <goofrider> Octane, where r u at now?
[07:32] <refuze2looze> well, ubuntu is dead
[07:32] <Octane> how do i run sshd
[07:32] <goofrider> did it complete the install? did it reboot? once? twice?
[07:32] <goofrider> refuze2looze, I was trying to help u
[07:32] <Seveas> Octane, apt-get install openssh-server
[07:32] <toran> Octane, apt-get install sshd; /etc/init.d/sshd start
[07:32] <toran> woops
[07:32] <Seveas> toran, and the postinst will start i
[07:32] <Seveas> it
[07:33] <toran> apt-get install openssh-server is right ;-)
[07:33] <toran> ><
[07:33] <dabaSlon> sudo
[07:33] <toran> Seveas, hey, were you helping me earlier?
[07:33] <refuze2looze> goofrider: it did not complete the reinstall, it stops in the middle with some error message relating to glibc
[07:33] <Seveas> toran, possibly, I'm helping lots of people :)
[07:33] <toran> sorry that I had to leave unexpectedly after you closed xchat
[07:33] <toran> anyway
[07:33] <goofrider> oh u try to reinstall already? grrrrr
[07:33] <toran> what tool can I use to completely restart configuring the network?
[07:33] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i had other options??
[07:33] <toran> something like what goes on when you install ubuntu
[07:33] <Seveas> toran, ah :)
[07:33] <stuNNed> [/win 9
[07:33] <stuNNed> sorrry
[07:34] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i dont think it did anytihng, it just said "verifying packages"
[07:34] <refuze2looze> and then it would stop in the middle
[07:34] <toran> I really don't wanna re-install to get my card working again i_i
[07:34] <goofrider> I was gonna tell u how to pin hoary to 1001 so the system MIGHT downgrade gracefully
[07:34] <refuze2looze> goofrider: how do i do that??
[07:34] <zxc> can anyone help me install these blasted ati drivers (fglrx) I keep trying and failing.
[07:34] <goofrider> toran, base-config I think
[07:34] <refuze2looze> goofrider: i can't even boot up
[07:34] <Seveas> indeed
[07:34] <toran> goofrider, thanks man ^_^
[07:34] <toran> that is neat
[07:34] <toran> well, I'll reboot back into ubuntu and try it
[07:34] <Seveas> but base-config does moer :)
[07:34] <Octane> how do i run sshd?
[07:34] <Seveas> more8
[07:34] <goofrider> refuze2looze, oh right u broken glibc
[07:34] <toran> can I specify just network?
[07:34] <refuze2looze> refuze2looze: and before i tried to reboot i could not even start any programs, including apt-get
[07:35] <Seveas> Octane, apt-get install openssh-server
[07:35] <refuze2looze> oops
[07:35] <refuze2looze> i mean goofrider
[07:35] <refuze2looze> why did i put my own sn..
[07:35] <toran> like "base-config network" or something like that?
[07:35] <refuze2looze> nick*
[07:35] <g14> refuze2looze: Don't try to upgrade. Wipe it all and start over
[07:35] <Seveas> toran, no just base-config
[07:35] <dabaSlon> octane, it runs after you insgtall.
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> another question: how do i use alien to install an rpm package
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> ?
[07:35] <refuze2looze> g14: so i have to format huh... damn. i guess i can download ubuntu live and back up my stuff
[07:35] <Seveas> alien -i
[07:35] <refuze2looze> i only had a / and a swap partition
[07:35] <toran> well, thanks, I'll try that
[07:35] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, read the manpage ;)
[07:35] <dabaSlon> octane, as toran said /etc/init.d/sshd restart, start, stop, and such manipulate it.
[07:35] <goofrider> refuze2looze, that's a tought one.. maybe u can try to bott from live CD and chroot to the HDD?
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> tnx Seveas, i'll do nect time. smack
[07:36] <goofrider> refuze2looze, glibc will be loaded and bound to the version on CD at bootime, so chroot shouldn';t use the new broken glibc on HDD
[07:36] <Seveas> goofrider, not entirely true
[07:36] <nico8481> how do you get the full name of an installed package with dpkg? it seems truncated to X characters here
[07:37] <nico8481> i mean dpkg -l |grep blah trucates the packages names
[07:37] <refuze2looze> goofrider: yeah i'll try to boot up from the live cd and see what i can do.. i'll probably just back up my stuff and then clean install
[07:37] <refuze2looze> damn.. so much to back up..
[07:37] <pixel83> psyconate: still there, did you receive my query?
[07:37] <Seveas> nico8481, dpkg --get-selections
[07:37] <nico8481> thx
[07:37] <goofrider> Seveas, when it's a possiblity (and I didn't speak in certain terms)
[07:37] <refuze2looze> seveas: you think i won't be able to boot the live cd??
[07:37] <goofrider> well** it's a possibility
[07:38] <RedNeck_> I must say that Ubuntu is the best Linux Distro I have ever used
[07:38] <Seveas> refuze2looze, you will be able to boot from the live cd
[07:38] <refuze2looze> oh
[07:38] <Seveas> but as soon as you chroot to your hoary, it'll probably fail again
[07:38] <refuze2looze> seveas: i just need access to the HD to back up my stuff. that i will have right?
[07:38] <krg> I'll give you guys one guess as to when keeping Firefox at 1.0.2 (but adding the 1.0.4 security patches) is a bad idea.
[07:38] <goofrider> Seveas, i'm only hoping to get apt and dpkg to work in chroot
[07:38] <dabaSlon> RedNeck_: me too...maybe cause it is the only one I used...
[07:39] <Seveas> refuze2looze, absolutely
[07:39] <Seveas> if you don't chroot into your hoary system you can do whatever you want
[07:39] <goofrider> Seveas, would a apt-get/dpkg rootdir=/dev/hda1 work?
[07:39] <refuze2looze> i'll try to chroot into my system and see if i can install glibc.. if not then not
[07:40] <Seveas> goofrider, hmm
[07:40] <Seveas> good one
[07:40] <Seveas> never tried that (never knew the option)
[07:40] <goofrider> Seveas, that's where i'm getting at
[07:40] <goofrider> Seveas, and pin hoary to 1001
[07:40] <goofrider> and tehoritically it MIGHT downgrade gracefully
[07:41] <goofrider> Seveas, I know damn sure rootdir= is an option in dpkg, I need to RTFM to see apt-get has it though
[07:42] <refuze2looze> goofrider: what do you mean by pin hoary to 1001?
[07:42] <goofrider> refuze2looze, anyways, reinstall is probably the simplest, but if u have too much data/cofig to back up we can try to paly with the downgrade option (i can't guarentee itll work though, A broken glibc is gonna be a hard one to fix)
[07:43] <jbailey> refuze2looze, goofrider: What version of glibc is in there by accident?
[07:43] <goofrider> jbailey, he installed the version from Debian Sid
[07:43] <goofrider> :-X
[07:43] <drcode> any one know good newgroup reader for console?
[07:44] <refuze2looze> jbailey: and then i attempted to downgrade back to the 2.3.2 or whatever the ubuntu version was
[07:44] <refuze2looze> and then hell
[07:44] <jbailey> So 2.3.2.ds1-something not, the 2.3.5-1 from experimental?
[07:44] <refuze2looze> jbailey: yeah that's it
[07:44] <refuze2looze> 2.3.5
[07:44] <goofrider> jbailey, u have a better idez
[07:44] <goofrider> idea?
[07:45] <jbailey> If you've got 2.3.5, you're pretty much hooped for now.
[07:45] <jbailey> We don'thave the magic to downgrade to 2.3.2 in Hoary at all.
[07:45] <jbailey> I'll do an update where you could use the breezy glibc, but I haven't done it yet.
[07:46] <jbailey> Right now, the breezy glibc is a bit older than the one in experimental (version wise)
[07:46] <goofrider> jbailey, not even booting from live cd and dpkg --rootdir=/mnt/hda1  ???
[07:46] <Seveas> --force-downgrade
[07:46] <goofrider> Seveas, right that too  :)
[07:46] <jbailey> You could *try* a force install of the breezy glibc, you might be able to sidegrade to it.
[07:47] <jbailey> goofrider: It depends what else is installed that wants it.
[07:47] <Seveas> i had a lot of fun with dpkg helping someone to downgrade gimp which he installed from another repo
[07:47] <Seveas> also glibc related
[07:47] <Edgan> Couldn't you boot from a live cd, and then use dpkg to install the hoary glibc to the real installs chroot?
[07:47] <goofrider> Seveas, yes I'm having fun now as well :)
[07:47] <nevle> hi,please help I've just installed ubuntu but grub doesn[t work so can't access windows on hdb
[07:47] <refuze2looze> you guys, i believe i'll just do a clean install. i'll boot from the live cd to back up my important files
[07:47] <goofrider> Seveas, I think to myself.. Thank god it's NOT my system
[07:48] <Seveas> nevle, describe "grub doesn't work"
[07:48] <nevle> it just doesn't appear
[07:48] <goofrider> refuze2looze, it's probably the simplest and flooproof method, to reinstall
[07:48] <goofrider> foolproof
[07:48] <Seveas> nevle, so you immediately boot into linux or is the machine unbootable?
[07:48] <jbailey> The breezy glibc is generally wokring well, though.  It's really your safest bet aside from reinstalling.
[07:49] <nevle> goes straight into linux
[07:49] <Seveas> jbailey, so reinstalling is the most newbie-proof since it avoids pinning :)
[07:49] <Edgan> jbailey: Wouldn't the method I described above work?
[07:49] <Seveas> nevle, in a terminal you type: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:50] <Seveas> nevle, in that file search for a line that starts with timeout
[07:50] <refuze2looze> anyways, i got work to do
[07:50] <jbailey> Seveas: pinning?  Only needed if you have debian sources in your sources.list.  If you do that, your system will break, and life will suck.  There isn't really anything else to say. =)
[07:50] <refuze2looze> thanks for your help!
[07:50] <goofrider> refuze2looze, good luck
[07:50] <jbailey> Edgan: It could, assuming that nothing else has been installed that requires the newer glibc.
[07:50] <Seveas> nevle, change that line to timeout        5
[07:50] <jbailey> Edgan: Those may silently break.
[07:50] <Edgan> jbailey: just uninstall that stuff first
[07:51] <e-guru> how do I get cdbakeoven to get installed with apt-get? I used apt-cache search but couldnt find it, any better cd writing programs?
[07:51] <e-guru> for kde
[07:51] <Seveas> e-guru, k3b
[07:51] <Octane> goofrider here is what i get
[07:51] <Octane> http://pastebin.ca/11810
[07:51] <Octane> when i do apt-get check and apt-get -f install
[07:51] <Seveas> (that's what everoby says is the best)
[07:51] <goofrider> Octane,  hold on
[07:51] <Octane> np
[07:52] <e-guru> Seveas: looks good :) thanks
[07:52] <nevle> Seveas, changed to 10 earlier but didn't work
[07:52] <Seveas> nevle, is there a line in that file that contains just the word hiddenmenu
[07:53] <goofrider> Octane, so apt-get is downloading and installing packages just fine?
[07:53] <Seveas> around line 22
[07:53] <Octane> is there a way to get all of the output from apt-get into a file? doing > x.txt doesnt show all errors toward the end
[07:53] <dabaSlon> yeah, llooks fine.
[07:53] <nevle> yes
[07:53] <dabaSlon> well, that should be it.
[07:53] <Seveas> Octane, apt-get .... 2>&1 > foo.txt
[07:53] <Seveas> the 2>&1 redirects the errors too
[07:53] <goofrider> Octane, yeah I didn't see any errrors
[07:54] <Octane> Seveas thanks but that doesnt output all the erorrs
[07:54] <nevle> Seveas,ok,what should it read if windows is on hdb
[07:54] <e-guru> Seveas: there is a problem, it complains that it cant find cdrdao
[07:54] <sugoruyo> hey can someone tell me something about synaptic/
[07:54] <Octane> goofrider: yah there are errors after it finishes unpacking the downloaded packages
[07:54] <dabaSlon> goofrider: did he run update after that?
[07:54] <Seveas> sugoruyo, sure :)
[07:54] <truz24> Is there a reason i can't copy in and out of xvncviewer ?
[07:54] <karim> I have a problem when I try to open a gnome session
[07:54] <truz24> I can't copy a string
[07:54] <karim> it says I don't have the right to open socket something
[07:54] <goofrider> dabaSlon, I assume so. It's be a whole day!!
[07:55] <goofrider> dabaSlon, I'm still trying to figure out where he's at since we last chat
[07:55] <Seveas> e-guru, cdrdao is in universe, do you have that enabled
[07:55] <Octane> goofrider: it just gives me a "dpkg: error processing /debfile (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[07:55] <Simpleton> Anyone here setup ao to run on ubuntu?
[07:55] <Octane> for each of the packages
[07:55] <goofrider> Octane, can u just describe the errors?
[07:55] <Seveas> goofrider, do apt-get clean
[07:55] <Octane> :)
[07:56] <Seveas> Octane, do apt-get clean
[07:56] <Seveas> and then try again
[07:56] <Octane> and redownload?
[07:56] <Octane> k
[07:56] <dabaSlon> goofrider: um...does apt-get  update come with no errors now?
[07:56] <karim> mkdtemp : private socket dir : permission denied
[07:56] <karim> I got this error
[07:56] <karim> when I try to log from gdm on gnome
[07:56] <zxc> anyone know how to install the ati drivers?
[07:56] <e-guru> Seveas: just enabled, doing update now, lets see...
[07:56] <goofrider> dabaSlon, Octane is the one having problems (since yesterday), and we're still trying to establish what progress he has made
[07:57] <Octane> hey!! that worked!!
[07:57] <Seveas> nice :)
[07:57] <Simpleton> :(
[07:57] <goofrider> :)
[07:57] <nevle> Seveas,should hidden menu be uncopmmented?
[07:57] <dabaSlon> goofrider: yeah, I knew that, thanks. Make him update now, and see if there are still errors.
[07:57] <ubuntuinstaller> Hey guys, I'm about to install ubuntu
[07:57] <dabaSlon> If there are, make him paste his sources so you can see the,.
[07:57] <Seveas> nevle, it sould be commented
[07:57] <ubuntuinstaller> the new one
[07:57] <Seveas> so it should be #hiddenmenu
[07:57] <Seveas> and not hiddenmenu
[07:57] <ubuntuinstaller> now here's my question
[07:57] <nevle> ok will retry
[07:57] <sugoruyo> when synaptic gets some packages or some updates what happens to the downloaded files?
[07:57] <nevle> thanks
[07:57] <e-guru> Seveas: thanks, seems to be working
[07:58] <Seveas> sugoruyo, they are removed after a while
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> I installed it a few days ago and everything was fine until it started and my screen size was 800X600
[07:58] <goofrider> sugoruyo, they are saved in /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:58] <toran> hey guys, just curious- if my monitor supports 1600x1200 @ 77Hz, what should I put in my xorg file?
[07:58] <Octane> mmm postscript
[07:58] <Octane> Seveas in my stupidity i shoulda totally thgouth of apt-get clean
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> It should be 1280x1024
[07:58] <Seveas> apt-get clean is THE way to get rid of corruptedness :)
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> but it didn't list that as an option
[07:58] <toran> I think I may have my horizontal sync/vertical refresh setting wrong...
[07:59] <goofrider> Octane, yeah that went over my head as well  :)
[07:59] <ubuntuinstaller> so I know knoppix has a boot option to set the screen size
[07:59] <webby> how do I format my usbstick?
[07:59] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, if the installer doesn't autodetect it, you should edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[07:59] <ubuntuinstaller> is there anything like that for the ubuntu install
[07:59] <goofrider> Octane, but didn't u have GPG verfication problem on the apt-get update as well?
[07:59] <Octane> goofrider: ya i reinstalled from the beginning after that
[07:59] <sugoruyo> goofrider: so if i tell it not to set a max cache size and not to delete any files that are old i should be able to find the files there right?
[07:59] <ubuntuinstaller> So install normally, and edit the thing later?
[07:59] <dabaSlon> webby, why format, just remove all on it, and put something on it?
[07:59] <Octane> now it seems to be stuck at Re-registering postscript fonts
[07:59] <Seveas> sugoruyo, yes, but there might be a cronjob that removes files too..
[07:59] <karim> in wich group do I need to be to be able to open a X session in gnome ?.
[08:00] <webby> dabaSlon, i think it has a bad partition table
[08:00] <goofrider> sugoruyo, it should be there if you change the default to not to delete the cached packages
[08:00] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, yes
[08:00] <ubuntuinstaller> You know every time I've tried linux for the past 3 years, the X stuff always kills me
[08:01] <goofrider> Octane, don't worry about some minor broken packages here and there, they'll be fixed eventually
[08:01] <Seveas> ubuntuinstaller, you're not the only one :)
[08:01] <goofrider> Octane,interrupt it if it stalls
[08:01] <sugoruyo> Seveas: about the cronjob, a.what is that? b. can i prevent it from doing so? c.if i can't/it's too hard/inconvinient can i copy the files before it does so?
[08:01] <ubuntuinstaller> When will resolution, monitor, etc, just work?
[08:01] <Octane> why is it that every ttf package fucks up
[08:01] <penguin_roar> is there anyone out there who uses the TV to watch movies from the computer?
[08:01] <ubuntuinstaller> Does anyone have a prediction?
[08:01] <Seveas> sugoruyo, wait a sec
[08:01] <sugoruyo> Seveas: sure
[08:01] <forse_root> when I write kynaptic they give me:  xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server ; xlib: No protocol specified ; kynaptic: cannot connect to X server :0.0 what is the error?
[08:01] <dabaSlon> webby, find where it is mounted, which device it is, and then fdisk device...maybe.
[08:02] <penguin_roar> ubuntuinstaller, for me it always just work, what hardware do you use?
[08:02] <Octane> fontoconfig is what keeps giving me problems
[08:02] <chungaroo> hey
[08:02] <ubuntuinstaller> e-machines, 443 mhz, 19 inch lcd
[08:02] <Seveas> sugoruyo, nvm, there is NoSuchJob :)
[08:02] <toran> "VertRefresh     50-75" -- is this right for a monitor that supports 1600x1200 @ 77Hz
[08:02] <Octane> how do i manually update my fontconfig cache?
[08:03] <Seveas> forse_root, do not run kynaptic as root
[08:03] <toran> (maxiumum refresh rate)
[08:03] <mopp> I can't get into the su. What should I do?
[08:03] <Seveas> instead, use sudo kynaptic
[08:03] <toran> mopp, sudo passwd
[08:03] <sugoruyo> Seveas: ok, thanks
[08:03] <toran> mopp, it'll ask for your password
[08:03] <sugoruyo> how can i use those packages to update my system if i reinstall?
[08:03] <toran> does anyone know if that setting is right in my xorg file?
[08:03] <toran> my monitor is flickering and it's driving me nuts ><
[08:03] <mopp> toran, thanks. that fixed it. :)
[08:03] <toran> I think I don't have it set high enough, but I might be wrong
[08:03] <toran> mopp, ^_^
[08:04] <A-z-i-z> Hello... Is GIMP 2.3.0 available as a package for Ubuntu ?
[08:04] <goofrider> Octane, u don't u just focus on completing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and then fixs the broken packages?
[08:04] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, not yet
[08:04] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, and t will only be in breezy
[08:04] <Octane> goofrider: okay good idea
[08:04] <mopp> okey, a second problem. My "apt"-list is really small and can't find ettercap which I'm trying to install, how can I change so it uses the universal repository?
[08:05] <A-z-i-z> ic
[08:05] <tsume> ...
[08:05] <toran> mopp, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (hit tab, that may not be the exact name)
[08:05] <Seveas> mopp, use this as sources.list: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[08:05] <wezzer> hello
[08:05] <toran> it's well enough commented you should be able to figure it out from there
[08:05] <Seveas> (the content of that file i mean)
[08:05] <wezzer> I installed ati drivers for my Radeon 9800
[08:05] <tsume> my env is getting really slow :/
[08:05] <toran> "VertRefresh     50-75" -- is this right for a monitor that supports 1600x1200 @ 77Hz ..?
[08:05] <goofrider> Octane, when I installed using a bad CD, gdm and xorg and a bunch of important stuff ware broken, but apt-get install ubuntu-desktop pretty much if it all
[08:05] <wezzer> but now when I try to play movies with mplayer, they won't scale into fullscreen
[08:05] <karim> help me plz
[08:05] <__learner__> Im having a problem with internet connection. I have a DLINK 500T modem, on windows it works perfectly, but is not working on ubuntu, I think its strange because I had a DLINK 500G and it worked qithout any configuration. Can you help me with that?
[08:05] <karim> ^^
[08:06] <goofrider> ***fix** it all
[08:06] <dabaSlon> seveas, y9u mean append that?
[08:06] <dabaSlon> seveas, no main?
[08:06] <Octane> goofrider: should i do kubuntu-desktop since this is off a kubuntu cd?
[08:06] <dabaSlon> or is that all of them?
[08:06] <A-z-i-z> Seveas: what is breezy? is it like Hoary ?
[08:06] <tsume> frecking firefox just crashed on me
[08:06] <goofrider> Octane, yes, otherwise you'll be downloading about 300MB from the net
[08:06] <Seveas> dabaSlon, that pastebin post has all official ubuntu repositories :)
[08:06] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, breezy will be the next version of ubuntu
[08:07] <tsume> oh wait, already installed :)
[08:07] <Seveas> eeeeek
[08:07] <karim> I got this error in ~/.xession-erros when I to log in gnome :    mkdtemp : private socket dir : permission denied    anyone have an idea what is the problem ?
[08:07] <Seveas> closed-source-ickyness alert :p
[08:07] <ivoks> A-z-i-z breezy is unbuntu under development
[08:07] <tsume> now I won't have to use Konq, or Firefox
[08:07] <A-z-i-z> Is it available for download ?
[08:07] <ivoks> karim ls -dl /tmp
[08:07] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, yes, but not usable
[08:07] <ivoks> A-z-i-z don't use breezy
[08:07] <Seveas> it's broken
[08:07] <goofrider> A-z-i-z, it's rather unstable at this point
[08:07] <Seveas> it's VERY broken
[08:07] <tsume> breezy works fine
[08:07] <goofrider> A-z-i-z, wait another 2-3 months
[08:07] <Seveas> tsume, don't be a fool
[08:08] <ivoks> and it's only getting worse :)
[08:08] <A-z-i-z> i c
[08:08] <Seveas> mono == broken
[08:08] <__learner__> can you help me with that internet problem?
[08:08] <Seveas> dbus == broken
[08:08] <tsume> no, breezy is not broken at all, but don't expect to build modules for kernel by hand
[08:08] <Octane> goofrider doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gives me a million errors, i just cant output them because apt-get only outputs the beginning
[08:08] <tsume> Seveas: mono sucks anyway
[08:08] <Seveas> c++ transition == will be broken as of tuesday
[08:08] <ivoks> tsume some stuff are broken
[08:08] <tsume> Seveas: mono  is worthless
[08:08] <karim> ivoks: drwxr-xr-t root root
[08:08] <__learner__> Is there anything wrong with my modem, I can acess the modem though the browser
[08:08] <goofrider> Octane, try -f
[08:08] <ivoks> karim there is your problem
[08:08] <Seveas> tsume, lots of people want it though
[08:08] <A-z-i-z> I will wait.. don't like to be stuck in the middile of work :)
[08:08] <Octane> goofrider: nope
[08:08] <goofrider> Octane, oh wait... did u comment out the CDROM line in sources.list?
[08:09] <ivoks> karim shudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[08:09] <ivoks> karim sudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[08:09] <karim> ivoks: thanks
[08:09] <goofrider> Octane, u do have a bad CD,, u know
[08:09] <thundrcleeze> what is mono?
[08:09] <Octane> cd isnt even in the drive, but no, it wasnt commented out
[08:09] <newtwoubuntu> Hello. Im using the ubuntu live cd, about to install - want to know if it could be installed to external usb drive
[08:09] <goofrider> Octane, it still needs to be commented out
[08:09] <ivoks> next week, breezy will be hell :)
[08:10] <Seveas> mono = Microsoft IL interpreter
[08:10] <Seveas> used for C# apps
[08:10] <twistedpair> thundrcleeze: an open source .net implementation
[08:10] <Seveas> like beagle, which everybody seems to need desperately....
[08:11] <Octane> there we go
[08:11] <Octane> i got sshd up
[08:11] <Octane> now i can putty in and paste everything
[08:11] <Vedumluce> wow did you hurt yourself
[08:11] <goofrider> Octane, is it upgrading now???
[08:11] <flamesrock> hey guys -my friend is having huge problems with ubuntu with his amd64
[08:11] <mopp> How can I search for a packet?
[08:11] <flamesrock> 4.10 detects his via chipset and starts x
[08:11] <thundrcleeze> twistedpair, ah, so nothing I need.
[08:11] <flamesrock> but 5.04 doesn't?
[08:11] <psychonate> Why is it always, "my friend?" lol
[08:12] <psychonate> Don't these friends know how to use IRC?
[08:12] <Octane> goofrider http://pastebin.ca/11813
[08:12] <TriniTriggs> flamesrock: don't mess with the 64-bit distro
[08:12] <flamesrock> do you think 32 bit would work?
[08:12] <newtwoubuntu> Anyone know if Ubuntu could be installed on external USB drive?
[08:12] <flamesrock> whats wrong with ubuntu64 out of curiousity?
[08:12] <TriniTriggs> flamesrock:compatibility
[08:13] <Seveas> nonsense
[08:13] <TriniTriggs> flamesrock:e,g. there's no 64-bit flash yet, I don't think
[08:13] <Seveas> ubuntu64 is as good as ubuntu32
[08:13] <Seveas> it's just the flash that is missing
[08:13] <Edgan> flamesrock: it lacks multi-arch support, so any 32bit stuff has to be installed in a chroot. It is kind of hacky, but then multi-arch has it's own issues
[08:13] <A-z-i-z> what are other image manipulation/ graphics design programs ? (beside GIMP) ?
[08:13] <Chamlap`> hi guys, started running Ubuntu last night and everything is going great.  Quick question though, I want to install the citrix ica client and all citrix.com has is the rpm, is there any way for debian to still install it?
[08:13] <flamesrock> hmm..
[08:13] <goofrider> hey guys, how to u configure all pending packages in dpkg?
[08:13] <flamesrock> but so via would work equally well on 32 bit? (if it doesn't work on 5.04 hoary?)
[08:13] <Seveas> Chamlap`, alien -i <rpmfile>
[08:14] <Seveas> configure -a
[08:14] <goofrider> I forgot the cmd option, Octane  needs it
[08:14] <Seveas> dpkg --configure -a
[08:14] <Chamlap`> thanks Seveas
[08:14] <newtwoubuntu> Chamlap`, you could use alien, but you might have problems
[08:14] <goofrider> thanks Seveas
[08:14] <Chamlap`> i'll try it and see what happens
[08:14] <Octane> thanks Seveas, goofrider but that yields errors too
[08:14] <twistedpair> mopp: apt-get search searchstring
[08:14] <psychonate> Heh, apparently ESD does not play nicely with ET.
[08:14] <TriniTriggs> flames rock:don't know.  I'd give it a shot.
[08:14] <metalsand> Does anyone know any term commands to check laptop battery power?
[08:14] <Octane> my problem is with the fonts
[08:14] <mopp> twistedpair, thanks.
[08:15] <flamesrock> thanks, I'll try it
[08:15] <Octane> can i paste 5 lines
[08:15] <muwu> How do I prevent KDE 3 from hanging after it tries to  restore session?
[08:15] <Seveas> metalsand, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/state
[08:15] <goofrider> Octane, k
[08:15] <twistedpair> mopp: or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:15] <Octane> Setting up ttf-opensymbol (1.1.3-8ubuntu2.3) ...
[08:15] <Octane> Updating fontconfig cache...
[08:15] <Octane> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-opensymbol.postinst: line 43: 29069 Segmentation fault fc-cache -f
[08:15] <Octane> dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
[08:15] <Octane> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[08:15] <wezzer> does anyone have any idea why mplayer fon't scale movies to fullscreen after updating to ATI driver?
[08:15] <Seveas> Octane, sounds like you have a hopelessly broken install..
[08:15] <Edgan> flamesrock: for 64bit java you have to go to 1.4.2. There is a java 1.5 beta, but no java plugin. It isn't that hard to just use 32bit apps and such were necessary
[08:15] <flamesrock> weeeezer
[08:15] <Octane> nooooooooo!!
[08:15] <wezzer> whoops, I mean won't scale...
[08:15] <flamesrock> change the video codec
[08:15] <wezzer> flamesrock: ?
[08:16] <wezzer> into what?
[08:16] <TriniTriggs> does anyone here know why RSSOwl would have problems using Firefox as an inernal browser?
[08:16] <flamesrock> try a few different ones
[08:16] <TriniTriggs> I installed as per Starter Guide
[08:16] <metalsand> Seveas: Cool, but what about remaining time :P
[08:16] <wezzer> okay... can you give me an example
[08:16] <flamesrock> I think I'm going to stick with 32 bit for now, 64 is too experimental
[08:16] <flamesrock> I don't think he'll notice a differen't anyways
[08:16] <Chamlap`> Seveas: so where do I know where it installed it to?  It just went back to the console
[08:16] <flamesrock> let me check what I have
[08:16] <goofrider> Seveas, Octane there's got to be a way to redownload and reinstall the broken packages
[08:16] <Seveas> metalsand, cat /proc/acpi/battery/*/info
[08:16] <Seveas> and do some calculating :)
[08:17] <Octane> goofrider im sure there is, i just fonts!
[08:17] <flamesrock> xv
[08:17] <TriniTriggs> TriniTriggs:test
[08:17] <goofrider> Octane, off to read the dpkg manpages again, brb
[08:17] <Octane> look http://pastebin.ca/11814
[08:17] <Octane> goofrider look thats where the problem is
[08:17] <Seveas> Chamlap`, dunno, try dpkg -l and look for the name of the package. Then run dpkg -L <packagename>
[08:17] <Octane> thats where the pending configuration errs
[08:18] <metalsand> Seveas: It's amazing you know those commands, but it still isn't displaying "4 hours 3 minutes" left.
[08:18] <dabaSlon> haha, seg fault:)
[08:18] <metalsand> That's what I'm trying to get going
[08:18] <Seveas> metalsand, you need to calculate that yourself, but hold on, i'm in a geeky mood :)
[08:18] <metalsand> Seveas: lol, holding
[08:18] <flamesrock> let me guess, you were using the opengl drivers before, weezer
[08:18] <flamesrock> wezzer *
[08:19] <flamesrock> err codecs
[08:19] <wezzer-> umm, I used those ones which came with ubuntu
[08:19] <metalsand> Is the voltage of a laptop battery really only 14.8V?
[08:19] <wezzer-> I mean, with fresh install of ubuntu movies worked
[08:19] <dabaSlon> metalsand: does it say that on it?
[08:19] <Flav> metalsand: depends on which matter, but most are around that, yes
[08:19] <dabaSlon> :_p
[08:19] <Flav> metalsand: your car battery is 12V, ya know
[08:19] <goofrider> Octane, I just did a `dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic`
[08:20] <goofrider> here's the result: ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp, ttf-arphic-bkai00mp, ttf-arphic-gkai00mp, ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp
[08:20] <metalsand> Flav: Good to know :)
[08:20] <Octane> right
[08:20] <Octane> i tried to install those manually
[08:20] <twistedpair> does anybody know how to change the ugly menu fonts of OOo after installing the openoffice.org2 pkg?
[08:20] <goofrider> Octane, reinstall them using apt-get -f install and see if that helps
[08:20] <Octane> dan@dan:~$ sudo dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic
[08:20] <Octane> ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp, ttf-arphic-bkai00mp, ttf-arphic-gkai00mp, ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic
[08:20] <wezzer> flamesrock: mplayer -vo xv foo.avi won't work :/
[08:21] <goofrider> `dpkg -S /usr/share/fonts/truetype/arphic | sudo apt-get -f install`
[08:21] <goofrider> oh wait that probly won't work  LOL
[08:21] <ryman> how do I turn .bin and .cue file ?
[08:21] <flamesrock> try xvidix or x11
[08:21] <Octane> Updating fontconfig cache...
[08:21] <Octane> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ttf-opensymbol.postinst: line 43: 29222 Segmentation fault fc-cache -f
[08:21] <Octane> dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
[08:21] <Octane> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[08:21] <goofrider> Octane, i need to stfu  just install them using -f and see what happends
[08:22] <drcode> any one know nice console newgroup grab for files download from newgroup in console?
[08:22] <cam> ryman: they used to be a binchunk application
[08:22] <Octane> goofrider tried that
[08:22] <wezzer> flamesrock: x11 doesn't work too, but I'll try that xvidix
[08:22] <goofrider> Octane, clear the font-cache then, maybe?
[08:22] <wezzer> xvidix doens't work neither :/
[08:23] <chungaroo> can someone help me mount a partition?
[08:23] <Octane> goofrider: do you know how to do that
[08:23] <flamesrock> try gl or gl2
[08:23] <goofrider> nope. man fc-cache said fc-cache -force
[08:23] <flamesrock> they probably won't work though
[08:23] <goofrider> Octane, fc-cache --force
[08:24] <Octane> tried that seg fault
[08:24] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: did you figure the OOo font thing out?
[08:24] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: nope, not yet
[08:24] <wezzer> flamesrock: gl2 works, but it is a bit slow
[08:24] <goofrider> Octane, apt-get -f install fc-cache
[08:24] <wezzer> I mean, if I watch something fast movie, it lags
[08:24] <Octane> no such pkg
[08:24] <goofrider> Octane, that's all I'm gonna do... kepp recursing and reinstalling until it all works
[08:24] <Octane> goofrider youve tried valiantly, i appreciate it all thank you
[08:25] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: do you know java at all? That is the default java look, I would think that changing that to gtk would be as simple as adding a one line statement...
[08:25] <wezzer> flamesrock: do you have any suggestions how to avoid typing "... -vo gl2 ..." everytime I open up movie?
[08:25] <flamesrock> yea, install gmplayer
[08:25] <flamesrock> saves a lot of time
[08:25] <goofrider> Octane, sure I did my best. If u need more help let us know but I think anymore handholding is pointless.   If I only connect one of the drives (either) to the power supply, this never happens.  Sounds like a bad capacitor on a hd or a bad power supply.  Anyone wanna take a stab at this one?  I don't know whether to buy a new power supply, motherboard, hd, etc...  Both drives pass the burn-in tests from Maxtor if only one is connected to the power supply...
[08:26] <wezzer-> and keyboard commands
[08:26] <flamesrock> well you can alias it in bash
[08:26] <flamesrock> I think*
[08:26] <Octane> goofrider as far as i see it, ive tried everything i can... all i know is whats causing the problem -- fc-cache registering arphic fonts
[08:26] <flamesrock> I use zsh
[08:26] <goofrider> Octane, dpkg -S and dkpg -L is useful, read the manpages about those options. U'll need them
[08:26] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: well i know java, but i think i didn't get what you wanted to tell me
[08:26] <wezzer-> flamesrock: umm, what about ~/mplayer/config -file
[08:26] <wezzer-> can I write there that?
[08:26] <wezzer-> does it work?
[08:26] <metalsand> Quick question: 2, actually. Does anyone know how to remove the topic bar at the top of IRSII, and also - how can I edit the join/part/quit messages by IRSSI?
[08:26] <flamesrock> http://www.ss64.com/bash/alias.html
[08:27] <flamesrock> I'm not sure
[08:27] <flamesrock> anyways I have to go
[08:27] <resiak> metalsand: You want to remove the topic bar why?
[08:27] <flamesrock> bbl
[08:27] <Seveas> metalsand, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/40
[08:27] <metalsand> resiak: Because I look at the topic bar once when I join, and it's just taking up space
[08:27] <jason_> I'm currently using debian testing. Can someone explain the difference between debian and ubuntu and why i might want to use ubuntu. I came from mandrake.
[08:27] <goofrider> Octane, purge and remove it. the reinstall it. just keep recursing the broken dependcies
[08:27] <Seveas> metalsand, that'll only display the hours though ;)
[08:27] <Octane> thats what im trying to do right now, removing those frggin font packages
[08:27] <sugoruyo> WTF? is something wrong with synaptic on hoary?
[08:28] <goofrider> Octane, LOL good luck
[08:28] <metalsand> Seveas: You're crazy man ;)
[08:28] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: DO YIOUU know (soorry caps) how to change the default look yiouu java app uses?
[08:28] <Seveas> sugoruyo, no
[08:28] <fonsken> how can i easily install firefox 1.0.4?
[08:28] <Octane> thanks mate
[08:28] <Seveas> metalsand, i know :D
[08:28] <resiak> metalsand: /help set , /set join , /set part, /set quit . For the topic stuffs, you'll have to write your own theme
[08:28] <Seveas> fonsken, you don't :)
[08:28] <FX|Laptop> bbl
[08:28] <sugoruyo> can someone please tell me what it is that i do wrong?
[08:28] <Seveas> ff in ubuntu is 1.0.4 security-wise
[08:28] <metalsand> Seveas: Where do I save this to have it run :P
[08:28] <Seveas> sugoruyo, if you tell us what you do
[08:28] <goofrider> Octane, sorrry that it's been such a hassle. My recovery from a bad CD installation was a breeze
[08:28] <Seveas> metalsand, in your homedir
[08:28] <Octane> godsmoke its all good, im used to this
[08:28] <Alfred1881>  hey all ,i 'd like to change my CPU, will it affect my OS ???
[08:28] <Seveas> then open a terminal and type:
[08:28] <Octane> goofrider i mean
[08:28] <fonsken> Seveas, what do you mean? :s
[08:29] <Seveas> chmod +x [the filename]
[08:29] <ivoks> Alfred1881 no
[08:29] <Seveas> ./[the filename]
[08:29] <webby> I am trying to make a new disk label on my usb stick, and it says my usb sticks is opened for read-only.. cans ome one help?
[08:29] <sugoruyo> ok i have an icon in the notification area that informs me that i have 17 updates available...
[08:29] <Seveas> fonsken, FF in ubuntu has all security fixes applied
[08:29] <metalsand> Do I need a certain name of the text file, Seveas? I'm sorry, but scripts are completely new to me :x
[08:29] <Seveas> so you don't have to install 1.0.4
[08:29] <Seveas> metalsand, any name you want
[08:29] <Seveas> i simply named it remaining
[08:29] <jason_> does ubuntu use debian sources?
[08:29] <Alfred1881> lk
[08:29] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: first i think you should net talk about java as there are both awt and swing
[08:29] <ivoks> fonsken firefox on ubuntu is 1.0.4, just it lies to you that it's 1.0.2
[08:29] <Seveas> jason_, sort of
[08:30] <metalsand> Seveas: What do I type to run it :x
[08:30] <jason_> Seveas, in debian you would just install from unstable
[08:30] <sugoruyo> so i say show updates
[08:30] <Seveas> metalsand, ./remaining
[08:30] <goofrider> jason^, Ubuntu has its own repo
[08:30] <metalsand> Seveas: awesome
[08:30] <Seveas> (if you are in your homedir)
[08:30] <jason_> Seveas, add an unstable source, configure testing as your default version and do apt-get -t unstable install mozilla-firefox
[08:30] <sugoruyo> i get a list and on top i see gaim
[08:30] <Seveas> metalsand, you might have to edit it a bit, since battery procfiles are system dependent
[08:30] <jason_> i have mozilla 1.7.8, firefox 1.0.4 and gaim 1.3.0 which i installed using that method
[08:30] <dabaSlon> well, twistedpair, I am not very familiar with java, but, Ill get you the code...
[08:30] <sugoruyo> you following me?
[08:30] <Seveas> jason_, bad idea...
[08:30] <goofrider> jason^, bad bad
[08:30] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: guess what?
[08:31] <thundrcleeze> jason_, ubuntu has its own repos, it's best to install from there.
[08:31] <Seveas> VERY bad idea even
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: guess.
[08:31] <goofrider> jason^, if u must include debian main repo, pin your sources
[08:31] <Razor-X> I got me new trackball!
[08:31] <ivoks> Seveas it isn't bad idea...
[08:31] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: what the hell is the connection between OpenOffice and Java?
[08:31] <jason_> i'm confused as to the difference between debian and ubuntu
[08:31] <fonsken> when installing extions, mozilla.org says:  You must upgrade to version 1.0.4 or newer of Firefox before accessing the Mozilla Update web service
[08:31] <jason_> what's the difference?
[08:31] <Razor-X> insofar, i've been using it in Windows, can't wait to boot into Ubuntu and give it a whirl
[08:31] <goofrider> jason^, but we'd prefer u do without it
[08:31] <ivoks> Seveas that works, should work, and I hope will allways work
[08:31] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: hah, my bad, probably.
[08:31] <Seveas> fonsken, make firefox lie then ;)
[08:31] <Choubaka> jason_: ubuntu is based on debian.
[08:31] <calc> anyone know when gcc 3.4 breezy package is going to be fixed on amd64?
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: cool, works?
[08:31] <webby> I am trying to make a new disk label on my usb stick, and it says my usb sticks is opened for read-only.. cans ome one help?
[08:31] <calc> it can't install g++-3.4 due to file conflicts
[08:31] <ivoks> fonsken open in location bar about:config
[08:32] <goofrider> fonsken, try extensionroom.mozdev.org or google for extensionmirror
[08:32] <sugoruyo> so i check gaim and click install on the bottom of the dialog
[08:32] <Choubaka> jason_: but it has predictable releases and more desktop-oriented default packages.
[08:32] <Seveas> calc, you should not use breezy yet....
[08:32] <Flav> jason_: first hit @ http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+ubuntu+difference
[08:32] <goofrider> fonsken, u might find the extensions u need without the restriction
[08:32] <Seveas> jason_ and a predictable release schedule etc...
[08:32] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: this is what I meant: http://pastebin.ca/11817 .
[08:32] <sugoruyo> it then greys out and after a little while comes back up again and there is no change
[08:32] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: well, I heard it works in Linux out of the box
[08:32] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: probably, mistaken, though:)
[08:32] <thundrcleeze> also, Choubaka, it has packages that are tailored for ubuntu.
[08:32] <jason_> Choubaka, does Ubuntu have a release like debian testing?
[08:32] <sugoruyo> wtf?
[08:32] <Razor-X> and, in Windows/Mac it does the same
[08:32] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: tried?
[08:32] <Razor-X> it's a USB HID
[08:32] <ivoks> fonsken under find, enter vendorSub
[08:32] <Razor-X> not yet, no
[08:32] <metalsand> Seveas: Says Permission denied, and when I sudo ./remaining it says unknown command
[08:32] <thundrcleeze> jason_, every 6 months there is a new release.
[08:32] <tritium> calc, there'a major C++ transition right now in breezy
[08:33] <ivoks> fonsken and change 1.0.2 to 1.0.4
[08:33] <Choubaka> jason_: not really.
[08:33] <calc> tritium: ah ok
[08:33] <ivoks> fonsken and try d/w some extensions :)
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, Ubuntu take a snapshot of Sid every 6months, and apply our own patches
[08:33] <Razor-X> but, if worst comes to worst, i'll use the included USB => PS/2 adapter
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, then frozen
[08:33] <jason_> i see
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, that's the simplest way to put it
[08:33] <calc> tritium: though i'm not sure that is what is causing this, it appears someone moved files between parts of the gcc-3.4 source package and forgot to remove them from other parts
[08:33] <tritium> calc, the whole toolchain, actually
[08:33] <jason_> goofrider, so it's basically like a regular distro with predictable releases and security/bug fixes in between?
[08:33] <goofrider> jason^, yes
[08:33] <tritium> calc, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[08:33] <jason_> and you use apt-get dist-upgrade to update every 6 months
[08:33] <Choubaka> jason_: it's not regular though.
[08:33] <calc> tritium: its a conflict between g++-3.4 and libstdc++-6-0-dev both of which are part of the same source
[08:34] <Choubaka> Because it's so damn good. :D
[08:34] <calc> tritium: ok
[08:34] <jason_> is it more stable than debian testing?
[08:34] <thundrcleeze> jason_, it's also got a helpful userbase.
[08:34] <goofrider> jason^, it's what stable is if it had a 6 months release cycle
[08:34] <Choubaka> jason_: yes.
[08:34] <Devi0s> I've got two hds in my system.  when I boot with both connected to the power supply, sometimes they work.  other times, especially after the system is fully powered off instead of rebooted, the system will start to boot, and between 2 seconds and 4 minutes into the boot at various times, one of the drives will make a loud clicking sound and lock, and the os will freeze, be in Ubuntu or...
[08:34] <Devi0s> ...WindowsXP.  If I only connect one of the drives (either) to the power supply, this never happens.  Sounds like a bad capacitor on a hd or a bad power supply.  Anyone wanna take a stab at this one?  I don't know whether to buy a new power supply, motherboard, hd, etc...  Both drives pass the burn-in tests from Maxtor if only one is connected to the power supply...
[08:34] <jason_> but not as up to date i would imagine
[08:34] <calc> tritium: thanks for the url :)
[08:34] <tritium> calc, sure :0
[08:34] <tritium> :)
[08:34] <jason_> does it have its own configuration utilities?
[08:34] <goofrider> jason^, but we have to apply our own patches to make that happen, so Debian DEBs may break Ubuntu
[08:34] <metalsand> Devi0s: What's your PSU power?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> ivoks, vendorSub is nt found here.
[08:34] <thechitowncubs> Hey, does anyone use 5.1 speakers in Ubuntu?
[08:34] <ivoks> dabaSlon i'm sure it is
[08:35] <Choubaka> goofrider: you do cooperate with debian, don't you? :p
[08:35] <thechitowncubs> Do they work perfectly in it?
[08:35] <Devi0s> metalsand: 480W
[08:35] <metalsand> Devi0s: Getting the harddrives spinning takes a lot of power to start, perahpos it's stressing your PSU power?
[08:35] <bwlang> Devi0s: your supply cant handle the load - replace it
[08:35] <metalsand> Devi0s: That can't be it. unless you have 5000 other drives :x
[08:35] <ivoks> dabaSlon general.useragent.vendorSub
[08:35] <goofrider> Choubaka, ubuntu always do their best to send patches and bugfixes upstream to Debian first
[08:35] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: i think the code's correct as it's the same with windows look&feel; but what i want to do is changing the menu font in openoffice
[08:35] <dabaSlon> ivok, haha, works.
[08:35] <Devi0s> really? 480W not enough?  how about the power circuit - think an UPS would help?
[08:35] <karljp> has anyone installed imgseek from source?
[08:35] <Thirsteh> Any idea why when reading from a CD, my PC starts lagging madly, I can't watch DVD's either... :\
[08:35] <jason_> Choubaka, thanks for the info
[08:36] <goofrider> Choubaka, as soon as a bugfix is made, not in batch at the end of release cycle
[08:36] <bwlang> dev0s: it's only 480W when it's functioning properly... i've seen then put out very noisy power if one of the caps is failing
[08:36] <Choubaka> goofrider: yeah. that's good. :)
[08:36] <dabaSlon> twistedpair: well, do you think that can be added to the source of OOo? is the source aailable? why does OOo2 not use gtk on my comp?
[08:36] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what are your other machine specs?
[08:36] <metalsand> Devi0s: 480 is probably enough - You don't happen to have one of the newer video cards that needs like 250w along to run, do you?
[08:36] <dabaSlon> ivoks, pretty neat trick.
[08:36] <dabaSlon> hahj
[08:37] <Lars_G> Now, being serious, any ideas if there is trouble with the Ubuntu tracker? I can list (Azureus says) there's 118 seeders on the swarm, but I don't conect to a single seeder or peer.
[08:37] <thechitowncubs> What are the multimedia plans for breezy?
[08:37] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: OOo uses imho it's own graphics toolkit
[08:37] <metalsand> Devi0s: Is it a perticular hard drive that's making the clunk? If so, does that one run fine by itself?
[08:37] <Devi0s> Radeon 9800 Pro, Asus A7N8X, AthlonXP 3200+, 52x Lite-On CDRW Drive
[08:37] <thechitowncubs> The only thing that Linux does worse than Win is Audio...
[08:37] <thechitowncubs> ahh
[08:37] <dabaSlon> yeah, I thought I may be on a wrong path there.
[08:37] <twistedpair> dabaSlon: and as it's open source, the code's available
[08:37] <dabaSlon> kk.
[08:37] <Thirsteh> thechitowncubs, and running native Windows games but that's quite understandable :P
[08:38] <Devi0s> both drives seem to run fine by themselves, but I can't confirm that it's one or the other - it doesn't thump hard enough for me to distinguish where the noise/vibration coming from
[08:38] <forse_root> exists a graphic mode to manage the DMA mode?????????'?
[08:38] <Thirsteh> It's impressive though, some native windows games run better emulated in Linux
[08:38] <thechitowncubs> hehe
[08:38] <metalsand> Devi0s: Than I can't really give you a definitive answer :(
[08:39] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what's your video card? do you have any weird super power cpu coolers on?
[08:39] <dabaSlon_wrk> Yay for ivoks, who made the extensions work!!
[08:39] <metalsand> Devi0s: If it was one that was clunking, and wasn't able to run by itself obviously it'd be the harddrive. It really doesn't seem like a lack of power so it could be the a faulty PSU...
[08:39] <ivoks> dabaSlon_wrk ;)
[08:39] <thechitowncubs> sometimes I hear crackling from my speakers when watching an xvid encoded tv show that i rippd myself :), what would cause that... plus what does PCM stand for?
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> Thirsteh, can you give some examples?
[08:39] <Devi0s> metalsand: I am gonna try getting another PSU today then...  This really pisses me off...
[08:39] <penguin_roar> just mailed a tv-out to the doclist but im curius, how do you others use your tvout?
[08:39] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: + think about PSU specs
[08:39] <goofrider> Thirsteh, thechitowncubs and Visual Studio is a showstopper as well. (some ppl have jobs that requires VS.NET)
[08:39] <Lars_G> Btw little question while I wait either download, is XOrg a painless process in ubuntu or a painfull one like in debian=
[08:39] <sugoruyo> when they say 480w they mean peak power
[08:40] <thundrcleeze> Lars_G, painless for me.
[08:40] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne runs better in Linux through Cedega, than on Windows
[08:40] <Devi0s> it's one of those problems that you can spend a lot of money troubleshooting if you guess wrong
[08:40] <metalsand> Devi0s: If that's not the issue you can always return it, and then RMA your HDs to Maxtor
[08:40] <sugoruyo> u don't buy based on peak power that can\t be maintained
[08:40] <Lars_G> thundrcleeze: Thanks
[08:40] <goofrider> Lars_G, ubuntu did a superb job in porting xorg
[08:40] <thundrcleeze> Thirsteh, anything that runs better through standard wine? :)
[08:40] <Devi0s> does anyone think an APC would help, or is it drastically unlikely that the power circuit in my apartment is the problem...
[08:40] <metalsand> Devi0s: I agree. I think what I just said would be the most cost effective method
[08:40] <Lars_G> great!!
[08:40] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, that's the one I can remember off the top of my head (of course normal WC3 too), there are a few others I've experienced running better than in Windows, just can't remember the names
[08:40] <goofrider> Lars_G, I heard Debian is gonna use Ubntu
[08:40] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, never tried running a game through Wine :\
[08:40] <goofrider> Lars_G, I heard Debian is gonna use Ubuntu's xorg port for themselves as well
[08:41] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: that's highly unlikely
[08:41] <Thirsteh> thundrcleeze, so I can't say... I would suppose WC3/WC3FT would run superb through wWine too
[08:41] <Lars_G> goofrider: It'd do them good ;)
[08:41] <Lars_G> lol
[08:41] <karljp> anyone got imgseek working with python 2.4?
[08:41] <karljp> or on ubuntu at all?
[08:41] <goofrider> Lars_G, that was when I went with Ubuntu, cuz it was the only Debian-based distro that switched to xorg.
[08:41] <Devi0s> sugoruyo: I thought so too - hope we're right
[08:41] <goofrider> that was ***why**
[08:42] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what are your drives again?
[08:42] <Xgates> hey all
[08:42] <xfSx> oi
[08:42] <penguin_roar> hello Xgates
[08:42] <Devi0s> two mator pata6 120GB
[08:42] <Xgates> say how is it with getting dvdrip in Ubuntu now?
[08:42] <Devi0s> maxtor
[08:42] <Xgates> any better for transcode, dependancies?
[08:42] <goofrider> Devi0s, maxtor?? I ph33r 4 u
[08:43] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: these need power...
[08:43] <Lars_G> Well i'll keep praying the tracker or seeders start working
[08:43] <Lars_G> see you all
[08:43] <ivoks> herve having fun :)
[08:43] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: what about gfx card?
[08:43] <goofrider> Lars_G, l8rz
[08:43] <Devi0s> Radeon 9800.   well, I'm off to buy a 550W PSU...
[08:43] <Devi0s> heh
[08:43] <penguin_roar> Devi0s, you should get a server PSU ;D
[08:44] <goofrider> Devi0s, nah u just want a high wuality PSU that provide a steady voltage
[08:44] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: goofrider is right
[08:44] <Devi0s> I'm limited to best buy, circuit city, or compusa if I want it today.
[08:44] <penguin_roar> Devi0s, i like IBM PSU
[08:44] <goofrider> penguin_roar, it's only 2x 120GB drive + R9800. It's not THAT loaded
[08:44] <Xgates> anyone installed dvdrip?
[08:44] <goofrider> Devi0s, u got a P4?
[08:44] <ChrisC_> easy question for you guys:  where's the file that configures the apt repositories?
[08:44] <goofrider> Devi0s, Prescott?
[08:44] <Devi0s> AthlonXP 3200+
[08:45] <encKe`> any1 here use Synergy?
[08:45] <metalsand> hey ivoks: Seveas made me this script: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/40 and I saved the code to bat in ~, how do I run it in term?
[08:45] <goofrider> Devi0s, XP 3200+ is not a power hog at all
[08:45] <encKe`> trying to get it load @ boot
[08:45] <Devi0s> all running on an ASUS 87N8X Deluxe.
[08:45] <A-z-i-z> ChrisC: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <Devi0s> NForce2 chipset
[08:45] <mdJake> does anybody managed to use the OO.o 2.0 beta Firefox/Mozilla plugin? I can't find it in the latest build (100)
[08:45] <sugoruyo> i run an amd64 3200, 1gig of ram 6600gt on pcie and 2 seagate 200gig drives + cooling for that + a dvd burner 16x
[08:45] <sugoruyo> and have only 475w psu
[08:45] <ChrisC_> A-z-i-z: thanks!
[08:45] <metalsand> I'm rolling a 1.6Ghz Centrino on my lappy I'm using now and a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on my desktop
[08:45] <A-z-i-z> ChrisC_: welcome
[08:46] <goofrider> Devi0s, if u have power issues, it has to do with the fact that you might have a cheap PSU with cheap voltage  regulators
[08:46] <kushboy> Hello, I need to log into a terminal without X. How do I get back into X once I'm done there, without restarting?
[08:46] <sugoruyo> it's just high quality psu
[08:46] <sugoruyo> it can output 475w max
[08:46] <sugoruyo> but on constant power it can give u about 450w all the time without probs
[08:46] <goofrider> I run a Celeron 2.4G + 3x HDD + burner on a 350W PSU
[08:46] <HappyFool> kushboy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart might do it
[08:47] <sugoruyo> that's the kind of PSU u need
[08:47] <sugoruyo> good one
[08:47] <kushboy> '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' like that?
[08:47] <ChrisC_> OK, back with an apt question since I thought I knew what I was doing, but I don't :) ...
[08:47] <HappyFool> kushboy: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[08:47] <Xgates> I was a little short on change so I bought a TT 430 psu for $40 hehe
[08:47] <Xgates> seems to be working nice
[08:47] <sugoruyo> u only need a lot of power if u have like a beast or something
[08:47] <mdJake> mine is P4 3066 HT 1 G Dual DDR 160 HDD Radeon 9800 Pro on a 420W PSU
[08:47] <Devi0s> it shouldn't be cheap - it's an antec true power... might be faulty, but isn't that a decent PSU?
[08:47] <metalsand> What's the basic command to move a file?
[08:47] <HappyFool> i have a critical supertux question. i'm stuck at this brown wall with a 'Run' sign. what now?
[08:47] <kushboy> thanks a bunch
[08:47] <ChrisC_> when I go to install a package it prompts for CD, but I want it to get it from the network so I don't have to bother with the CD.  Where do I set that priority so it gets from the network if available?
[08:47] <HappyFool> metalsand: mv
[08:48] <metalsand> HappyFool: Thanks :]
[08:48] <sugoruyo> Devi0s: decent but maybe faulty
[08:48] <mdJake> does anybody managed to use the OO.o 2.0 beta Firefox/Mozilla plugin? I can't find it in the latest build (100)
[08:48] <sugoruyo> WTF? is something wrong with synaptic on hoary?
[08:49] <Octane> hey goofrider looks like i got it
[08:49] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: why?
[08:49] <sugoruyo> ok i have an icon in the notification area that informs me that i have 17 updates available...
[08:49] <sugoruyo> so i say show updates
[08:49] <HappyFool> no supertux players here ? *sob*
[08:49] <karljp> hah! you can't use ccache with imgseek
[08:49] <sugoruyo> i get a list and on top i see gaim
[08:49] <sugoruyo> so i check gaim and click install on the bottom of the dialog
[08:50] <sugoruyo> it then greys out and after a little while comes back up again and there is no change
[08:50] <Kev12343> hi there, i just iunstalled ubuntu, in gnome it recognizes an external storage device, but in kde when i plug the thing in nothing happens, no icon on the dekstop
[08:50] <Thirsteh> Gaaah... DMA on makes my DVD playback very very laggy, DMA off makes it... just annoyingly laggy :(
[08:50] <Thirsteh> And I don't have a slow system
[08:50] <Thirsteh> gah-ness
[08:51] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: can u help?
[08:51] <aquarius> Is there a newer replacement for tripwire? The GPLed tripwire source from tripwire.sf.net (which is what's packaged for Debian/Ubuntu) is from 2001.
[08:51] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: hrm. when you say 'show updates' do you mean 'Apply' ?
[08:51] <HappyFool> i don't see a 'show updates' button
[08:52] <ChrisC_> HappyFool: I think he was talking about the red  update notification you get in the upper right corner of the screen
[08:52] <ChrisC_> you won't see it if you have no pending updates
[08:52] <Xgates> Thirsteh: yeah video playback for me last month when I first installed Ubuntu to check it out lagged too, and I compiled xine from scratch, custome compiled the kernel and killed almost all of the serivces so the box would be running pretty clean and I still had problems
[08:52] <HappyFool> ah
[08:52] <sugoruyo> i mean i right-click the icon on the notification area of the top panel which informs of 17 updates and it has a choice to show updates
[08:52] <Xgates> Thirsteh: didn't think about the DMA though hmm
[08:52] <Thirsteh> Xgates,  :(
[08:52] <sugoruyo> so i get a list of available updates
[08:52] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: hrm, try starting synaptic and clicking reload ?
[08:53] <Thirsteh> Xgates, if I'm copying files from CD, the same thing happens, my system goes unstable until it's done
[08:53] <ChrisC_> back to my question :) ... I'll rephrase ...
[08:53] <sugoruyo> i do that but it just does the same thing
[08:53] <Lars_G> Is there a real need for Kubuntu?
[08:53] <Thirsteh> Rather annoying...
[08:53] <ChrisC_> when I go to install a package it prompts for CD, but I want it to get it from the network so I don't have to bother with the CD.  Where do I set that priority so it gets from the network if available?
[08:53] <Xgates> so I just built a  new box, sitting here in XP thinking do I want to try Ubuntu again, another distro or just stick Slack back in
[08:53] <Xgates> hmmm
[08:53] <ChrisC_> using apt/synaptic of course
[08:53] <Lars_G> I mean, can't you get ubuntu and install the lattest kde with apt?
[08:53] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: how about just removing the CD from your repository list?
[08:54] <ChrisC_> hmmmm ...
[08:54] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: in Synaptic, click Settings -> Repositories
[08:54] <ivoks> Xgates well... don't fix if it isn't broken
[08:54] <Xgates> Thirsteh: I've been surfing distrowatch for the last hour thinking to install another distro, after 5 years in Slack, I'm getting a bit tired and out of time for compiling all the time, LOL
[08:54] <Thirsteh> Xgates, lol
[08:55] <Thirsteh> Does anyone know how to turn MTRR for your graphics card on?
[08:55] <Octane> do you people recommend to also apt-get ubuntu-desktop if you are install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:55] <Xgates> ivoks: well it didnt run good to begin with so I tried and still no good
[08:55] <Thirsteh> xine-check says my card supports it, but it's not turned on
[08:55] <HappyFool> Lars_G: obviously it matters enough to some people
[08:55] <ChrisC_> HappyFool: yeah, I know I can delete it there .. just wondering where the priorities are set.  I stumbled on it a couple days ago
[08:55] <puvneet> does any one know how i can download xine with synaptic
[08:55] <HappyFool> Lars_G: anyway, isn't kde only available because of kubuntu?
[08:55] <Xgates> anyone played with the latest Arch
[08:55] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: ah. sorry, don't know
[08:55] <ivoks> Xgates ubuntu/debian are best distros, IMHO
[08:55] <Xgates> Arch seems ok but that killed the /doc and info is a bit corny hehe
[08:55] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: actually, i wish mine did ask for the CD! it never does
[08:55] <puvneet> or a program like that, that will play .avi files
[08:56] <HappyFool> ChrisC_: so if you find out let me know ;)
[08:56] <puvneet> help please
[08:56] <HappyFool> puvneet: see ubuntuguide.org
[08:56] <ChrisC_> HappyFool: yeah, and that's why I don't want to delete the CD entry; I might need it someday when the DSL goes south or something
[08:56] <hybrid> puvneet: mplayer plays avi's
[08:56] <Xgates> ivoks: Debian might have a edge up on Ubuntu on stability at the moment, and speed
[08:56] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: so do u know what that might be?
[08:57] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: did you try doing 'Reload' in synaptic?
[08:57] <puvneet> i don't know how to compile so i have to use synaptic
[08:57] <sugoruyo> yeah and i get the same problem
[08:57] <ivoks> Xgates not quite true
[08:57] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: i had some issues earlier with packages not being authenticated (from ubuntu main, i think), and a Reload fixed it
[08:57] <ivoks> Xgates debian stable is hard as rock... but in a year or two it will be obsolete
[08:58] <HappyFool> puvneet: ubuntuguide.org will tell you how to install media players with synaptic
[08:58] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i don't get any error messages
[08:58] <puvneet> ok i'll try that
[08:58] <ivoks> Xgates ubuntu, on the oder hand, is very stable as desktop distro, and has liftime of 6-18 months
[08:58] <penguin_roar> ivoks, a server is best stable, not desktop style moving target
[08:58] <sugoruyo> i just tell it to install, it becomes grey and then comes back and nothing has changed....
[08:59] <ivoks> Xgates and don't forget... ubuntu is developet by debian developers, too
[08:59] <penguin_roar> anyone have tvout working?
[08:59] <ivoks> penguin_roar i agree
[08:59] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: have you started synaptic and clicked 'Reload' yet ?
[08:59] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: YES! i have already told u
[08:59] <Thirsteh> Xgates, I just fixed the problem!!!
[08:59] <Xgates> ivoks: I know all about them :-)
[08:59] <ivoks> he could give packaging to someone else
[09:00] <Thirsteh> Xgates, I just turned Multi mode DMA2 or something on, and it runs smooth now
[09:00] <Xgates> Thirsteh: what did you do?
[09:00] <Xgates> Thirsteh: how?
[09:00] <HappyFool> ok, click 'Mark all upgrades' and 'Apply'
[09:00] <Thirsteh> Xgates, sudo hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/cdrom
[09:00] <Kimppa> hello... quick question. I managed to f* up this somehow. I booted X with alt+ctrl+backspace, but it just closed x without rebooting it... how can I get back to the login screen?
[09:01] <Thirsteh> I wonder how to set xfermode to 34 in hdparm.conf :|
[09:01] <HappyFool> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:01] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: it tells me i have 17 updateable packages, but when i start up synaptic and select mark all upgrades and nothing gets marked...
[09:01] <penguin_roar> ctrl alt F7 ?
[09:01] <HappyFool> assuming you're running gnome
[09:01] <Xgates> Thirsteh: hmm I thought we are more concerned for DMA on the hdd not a cdrom
[09:01] <Xgates> hehe
[09:01] <tritium> Kimppa, do as HappyFool says, after switching to a virtual console
[09:01] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: erm
[09:01] <Thirsteh> Xgates, well my CD/DVD drive was the problem here, and that fixed it :)
[09:01] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: so 'Apply' stays grayed out ?
[09:02] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: that sounds screwy
[09:02] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: on synaptic yeah
[09:02] <Kimppa> heh, alt+f7 was the first thing I tried before coming here :)
[09:02] <Xgates> Thirsteh: well for me I was playing a movie off the hdd
[09:02] <Kimppa> HappyFool: thanks, I'll give it a shot
[09:02] <Thirsteh> Xgates, ahhh okay
[09:02] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: how about 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade' at the terminal
[09:02] <Xgates> Thirsteh: maybe I can run something like that on the hdd then
[09:02] <Xgates> oh well
[09:02] <Thirsteh> Xgates, maybe
[09:02] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: but when i right click and tell it to show updates it will show a list of updates ok?
[09:03] <Xgates> still thinking on what Distro I want to fiddle with again
[09:03] <Xgates> lol
[09:03] <waseem> hi how do i restart mozilla firefox without restarting my computer?
[09:03] <thechitowncubs> sudo killall -9 firefox-bin
[09:03] <puvneet> how do you do a sudo-apt
[09:04] <Kimppa> HappyFool: didn't work. It says gdm is not the default display manager. I was running fluxbox when it all happened
[09:04] <puvneet> where so you type sudo apt
[09:04] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: that seems to do something
[09:04] <puvneet> i'm new to ubuntu
[09:04] <thechitowncubs> in the terminal
[09:04] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: it's started getting the packages it needs to update
[09:05] <sugoruyo> HappyFool: i still don't get the problem with synaptic though
[09:05] <waseem> http://ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[09:05] <waseem> i made all the changes, but when i restart and go back, the changes remain unchanged
[09:05] <Kimppa> any other ideas or do I have to reboot?
[09:05] <HappyFool> sugoruyo: me either
[09:05] <HappyFool> Kimppa: how about looking in /etc/init.d for something that might belong to xfce ?
[09:05] <sugoruyo> well after the updates are done i'll reboot and see if it works
[09:06] <HappyFool> Kimppa: or maybe even xdm or something?
[09:06] <sugoruyo> but i think my install is broken :(
[09:07] <HappyFool> Kimppa: there's always good old startx, but that won't give you a login screen
[09:09] <webby> how do u mount a fat16 file system?
[09:09] <veritas> HappyFool: If I saved http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/39 that code as bat in ~, how would I run it?
[09:10] <HappyFool> one sec...
[09:10] <HappyFool> what's a kaarsemaker ? candle maker?
[09:10] <veritas> HappyFool: No idea. Seveas made that code for me
[09:10] <HappyFool> veritas: i don't think you want to run this file
[09:10] <HappyFool> it looks like and /etc/sudoers file
[09:10] <puvneet> i downloaded mplayer how can i install it
[09:11] <veritas> HappyFool: Why not?
[09:11] <tritium> veritas, that's not code.  That is your sudoers file
[09:11] <puvneet> how do i open a terminal
[09:11] <ike> veritas: what are you trying to accomplish with that file?
[09:11] <veritas> Oh, rofl... I linked to the wrong page
[09:11] <ike> puvneet: if you're logged in, right click on the desktop and select "open terminal" from the context menu.
[09:11] <HappyFool> ah
[09:11] <veritas> http://paAstebin.kaarsemaker.net/40
[09:11] <puvneet> help
[09:11] <toran> what is a command-line program I could use to play WAV's?
[09:11] <HappyFool> that explains much
[09:11] <HappyFool> ;)
[09:11] <veritas> Hahhaha, that's the right code
[09:11] <tritium> veritas, you should be able to edit /etc/sudoers with "sudo visudo"
[09:12] <puvneet> ok i'll try that
[09:12] <veritas> tritium: I accidently linked to the wrong file :x
[09:12] <toran> "play" doesn't seem to come with ubuntu
[09:12] <veritas> sorry.
[09:12] <tritium> veritas, ;)
[09:12] <karim> hi
[09:12] <Kimppa> HappyFool: I tried startx before coming here, it loaded gnome but gnome was all messed, meaning all menus were missing, well actually, everything was missing and nothing was working, just two gray "girders"
[09:12] <karim> I don't understand why there is apache and apache2
[09:12] <karim> what must I use ?
[09:12] <Kimppa> HappyFool: so I tried kdm which worked
[09:12] <ike> veritas: if you saved it as 'bla', do: cd; sh bla
[09:12] <concept10> Will it be possible to upgrade from Hoary to Breezy once it is released?
[09:12] <hybrid> yes
[09:12] <ike> karim: apache2. apache1 is no longer supported.
[09:12] <concept10> using synaptic or apt-get
[09:12] <Kimppa> HappyFool: KDE and fluxbox works, but gnome is still messed up
[09:12] <HappyFool> veritas: you can either do 'bash filename'
[09:12] <hybrid> either or i believe
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: or 'chmod a+x filename'
[09:13] <navyn> i am trying to read a ntfs drive, and it says hdd1 does not exist.  I have a drive hda1 - xp, hdb1-ubuntu, hdc-cdrom, and another ntfs data drive, why won't it show up?  Please help
[09:13] <karim> ike, so why some applications try to install it ?
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: and then ./filename
[09:13] <puvneet> I CAN'T TYPE IN MY PASSWORD
[09:13] <veritas> HappyFool: Do I hve to do the chmod/bash command everytime I want to run it?
[09:13] <puvneet> IT WON'T SHOW ANYTHING
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: no
[09:13] <hybrid> nah
[09:13] <ike> puvneet: please stop yelling. where are you trying to type in your password?
[09:13] <veritas> Ah. Cool, thanks :)
[09:13] <hybrid> puvneet: it is typing
[09:13] <HappyFool> veritas: chmod makes it an executable file
[09:14] <HappyFool> sorry, should have made that clear
[09:14] <gibeau> how do i setup my computer to allow incoming ssh?
[09:14] <ike> puvneet: if it's at the sudo prompt, there's no echo, that's fine. just type in your password and hit enter.
[09:14] <hybrid> puvneet: just type it like normal then hit enter
[09:14] <veritas> and bash does?
[09:14] <puvneet> i don't see anything and when i press enter it says try again
[09:14] <ryman> puvneet, the best way to get mplay and stuffs is http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:14] <HappyFool> Kimppa: sorry, not too clued up on that. you said /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't work though?
[09:14] <puvneet> i did
[09:14] <HappyFool> Kimppa: do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed ?
[09:15] <kushboy> I just set up dual monitors with TwinView. Is there any way to expand the bottom or top panel across both screens?
[09:15] <tony> Hey, I just got Kubuntu installed and I'm trying to get some other applications Via APT. Most of them I could get under straight Debian, but not Ubuntu. What sources do I need add, and will that cause any compatibility issues if I head the warnings?
[09:15] <hybrid> tony: have universe enabled?
[09:15] <tony> Explain please?
[09:15] <Kimppa> HappyFool: yeah, it told me that gdm isn't my primary display manager, although I use gnome as default
[09:15] <gibeau> kushboy: how did you setup dual monitors? curious cause i wanna do it as well
[09:16] <veritas> Hrmmm. Now it's saying "Not on battery"
[09:16] <toran> what can I use to play .WAV's from the command line?
[09:16] <veritas> I don't think it works :(
[09:16] <hybrid> tony: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:16] <Bramme> how can i completely disable esound in my OS, i think it sucks and want to use alsa only
[09:16] <hybrid> toran: mplayer
[09:16] <Kimppa> would apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop -> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop fix my problem?
[09:16] <HappyFool> Kimppa: erm
[09:16] <Bramme> i can't just remove it :(
[09:16] <tony> Mk
[09:16] <jeroen_> Kimppa, ubuntu-desktop is an empty package
[09:16] <Kimppa> Hmm...
[09:16] <Kimppa> bugger
[09:16] <hybrid> tony: then look for the url with hoary universe in it
[09:16] <navyn> can someone help me with a hard drive issue?
[09:16] <HappyFool> Kimppa: no, it's just a met-package of some sort
[09:16] <jeroen_> Kimppa, it just depends on other packages needed for the "ubuntu-desktop"
[09:16] <HappyFool> meta
[09:16] <hybrid> make sure there is no # in front of it
[09:17] <kushboy> gibeau: What card do you have?
[09:17] <Kimppa> ok... so do you have any ideas how to fix gnome?
[09:17] <tony> Thanks
[09:17] <hybrid> tony: np
[09:17] <kushboy> how do I talk to a single person?
[09:17] <resiak> kushboy: /msg resiak OMG CYBAR?!?!?!lololol
[09:17] <Xgates> Thirsteh: you gonna be around for awhile?
[09:17] <HappyFool>  /query <nick>
[09:17] <hybrid> kushboy: /msg
[09:18] <webby> fuck
[09:18] <kushboy> haha, thanks
[09:18] <Kimppa> I tried accessing gnome through another user but I had the same proble - although I do not know how x config files are saved, global or user wise :-/
[09:18] <webby> can some one he lp me with my usb stick?
[09:18] <tony> Does Ubuntu have a full deb package listing on their site or anything? Or is it all the standard debians plus a few Buntu specific?
[09:18] <gibeau> kushboy: nvidia ti 4200
[09:18] <HappyFool> Kimppa: well, if you feel like hacking, they're all under /etc/X11
[09:19] <RadicalEdward> is there an german support for ubuntu?
[09:19] <tony> Anyone also know where I can get Windows codecs for Ubuntu/
[09:19] <HappyFool> Kimppa: the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager is suggestive ;)
[09:19] <Kimppa> HappyFool: I don't feel like that, because I'm quite new to Linux :P
[09:19] <HappyFool> RadicalEdward: try /join #ubuntu-de ?
[09:19] <dlh> tony ask mplayer
[09:19] <RadicalEdward> thx
[09:19] <hybrid> tony: Ubuntu has differnt builds
[09:20] <HappyFool> Kimppa: try 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' ?
[09:20] <tony> Hoary Ubuntu I guess then?
[09:20] <Kimppa> /usr/bin/kdm
[09:20] <Kimppa> change that to gdm?
[09:20] <Simpleton> anyone know how to install directx for cedega?
[09:20] <Kimppa> and boot x?
[09:21] <Ghetek> why cant i type?
[09:21] <Ghetek> oh
[09:21] <bassMonkey> hi, I'd need to mount a .bin cd-image whit the following cue-file content "FILE " BINARY
[09:21] <HappyFool> Kimppa: hrm
[09:21] <bassMonkey> damn, nevermind
[09:21] <Kimppa> although, I do not see how that would help anything
[09:22] <HappyFool> Kimppa: i dunno. i guess your gnome is still broken
[09:22] <Kimppa> exactly
[09:22] <HappyFool> so starting gdm probably won't fix anything
[09:22] <Kimppa> agreed
[09:22] <HappyFool> Kimppa: how did you install?
[09:22] <Kimppa> can I reinstall gnome somehow?
[09:22] <Ghetek> is the kubuntu channel working?
[09:22] <Kimppa> gnome? It came as default
[09:23] <HappyFool> i wonder what'll happen if you erase all the .gnome directories
[09:23] <Kimppa> I installed kde yesterday via apt-get
[09:23] <Ribs> every time I print from Gimp, the colours are inverted... How do I fix this?
[09:23] <Xgates> Simpleton: they are just patched against cedega is my understanding there is no DirectX install
[09:23] <mattgirv> just invert the image you want to print
[09:23] <mattgirv> lol
[09:23] <Ribs> hrm
[09:24] <Riddell> Ghetek: certainly is
[09:24] <Ribs> surely this is a major bug tho?
[09:24] <Ghetek> cant get into it
[09:24] <Ghetek> i was just in there
[09:24] <mattgirv> hmm well i dont have that problem
[09:24] <Ribs> so what could be wrong here?
[09:24] <navyn> i am trying to read a ntfs drive, and it says hdd1 does not exist.  I have a drive hda1 - xp, hdb1-ubuntu, hdc-cdrom, and another ntfs data drive, why won't it show up?  Please help
[09:24] <Ribs> I've not messed with Gimp at all, other than selecting my printer...
[09:25] <navyn> i can see my xp drive just fine
[09:25] <HappyFool> Kimppa: my only guess, which might break things even more ;) is to erase the .gnome directories in your home directory
[09:26] <HappyFool> Kimppa: maybe ask again later when other gurus are on
[09:26] <tony> When Apt-get Updating, I get this-
[09:26] <HappyFool> err, that is, real gurus ;)
[09:26] <tony> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/main Packages
[09:26] <tony>   500 Internal Server Error
[09:26] <tony> Helps? :'(
[09:26] <kushboy> my version of libc6 (2.3.2.ds1-22) is causing problems. how do I go back to an older version?
[09:26] <Kimppa> HappyFool: hehe... I don't think that will help either
[09:26] <navyn> but i've tried mounting the data ntfs drive, and it says hdd1 does not exist.  am i assuming the wrong drive letter for it?
[09:26] <Kimppa> because as I said, I tried logging in to gnome with another username
[09:26] <HappyFool> navyn: what does 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd' say?
[09:26] <Kimppa> and had the same problem
[09:26] <Octane> does someone know what may be causing this http://pastebin.ca/11821
[09:27] <HappyFool> ah
[09:27] <Kimppa> so it's a system wide problem
[09:27] <_nate> does gnome use gtk?
[09:27] <Octane> _nate yes
[09:27] <_nate> i can't remember
[09:27] <navyn> nothing
[09:27] <_nate> Octane: thanks
[09:27] <navyn> it just hits back to my prompt
[09:27] <_nate> does ubuntu use gtk+ 2, or 1?
[09:27] <kushboy> how do I revert back to an older package without it deleting all the dependent stuff?
[09:28] <Octane> _nate i assume 2 although some apps still use 1
[09:28] <HappyFool> Kimppa: your idea of reinstalling gnome sounds good, but i don't know how to do that
[09:28] <HappyFool> navyn: you're sure the drive is connected etc ?
[09:28] <_nate> Octane: I'm installing glade, and there's one for gtk+ and gtk+ 2
[09:29] <navyn> fatal error cannot open disk drive if i use cfdisk
[09:29] <Octane> get for 2
[09:29] <navyn> yes i can see the drive when i boot to windows
[09:29] <HappyFool> hm
[09:29] <tony> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/main Packages
[09:29] <tony>   500 Internal Server Error
[09:29] <_nate> Octane: I am now :)
[09:29] <tony> When apt-get updating
[09:29] <HappyFool> navyn: and it's on the second ide bus, slaved ?
[09:29] <tony> Why am I getting that after adding multiverse?
[09:30] <navyn> its slaved on my cdrom
[09:30] <navyn> ide
[09:30] <HappyFool> tony: the repository server is broken, at a guess?
[09:30] <HappyFool> navyn: what's the output of ls /proc/ide
[09:31] <Kimppa> HappyFool: yeah, I'll guess I have to give that a shot
[09:31] <navyn> hda  hdb  hdc  ide0  ide1
[09:31] <navyn> so do you think it is like ide1 or ide0?
[09:31] <HappyFool> navyn: well, linux isn't seeing hdd at all
[09:32] <HappyFool> navyn: afaik, all the ide devices visible will be listed there (hda, hdb, and hdc are listed)
[09:32] <navyn> but what is the ide0 and ide1 ?
[09:32] <navyn> should i try and mount one of those?
[09:32] <HappyFool> no
[09:32] <guerby> hi, I just installed ubuntu 5.04 on my amd64, however I see only one of the three disks (2 IDE, 1 SATA), is there a graphical tool to add partitions mount?
[09:32] <HappyFool> this is just an informational listing
[09:33] <HappyFool> anyway mounting a bus wouldn't be sensible
[09:33] <tony> Does anyone here have a sources.list that includes universe/multiverse that works currently with apt-get update that I could copy? Comething must obviously be wrong with mine
[09:33] <HappyFool> navyn: the fact that hdd is not in the list means that linux can't see it, for some reason
[09:33] <navyn> i'm just trying to figure out why i can see it in windows, but not in linux
[09:34] <navyn> it has all my music and stuff on that drive, and thats the only one i care for it to see
[09:34] <thundrcleeze> tony, there's a sample file under ubuntuguide.org
[09:34] <HappyFool> tony: you can put your sources.list up at one of the paste-bins for us to look at
[09:34] <_nate> what packages do i need to install in order to use perl to perform ssh?
[09:35] <tony> paste-bins..? lol
[09:35] <tony> sorry
[09:36] <HappyFool> navyn: i don't what the problem is. maybe try swapping the master/slave arrangement of the hard drive and cd-rom ?
[09:36] <HappyFool> tony: http://rafb.net/paste/
[09:36] <Razor-X> I have a very stupid question, but I shall still ask
[09:36] <navyn> make the cdrom the slave?
[09:37] <Razor-X> is there a Progress Quest port for Linux?
[09:37] <HappyFool> navyn: yeah
[09:37] <HappyFool> navyn: but your problem is pretty weird, i don't know why it would happen
[09:37] <navyn> well i guess if i don't have any other options.
[09:37] <HappyFool> navyn: i was under the impression that ide was pretty solid under linux
[09:37] <navyn> yeah i agree
[09:38] <tony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rRj6Dn19.html
[09:39] <HappyFool> tony: it's the multiverse (i.e., backports) entry that's giving you problems ?
[09:40] <navyn> i'll give it a shot i guess. thanks for the help
[09:40] <tony> Yes
[09:41] <klaas_> WIEEE new topspeed in tuxracer
[09:41] <klaas_> 218 km/h
[09:41] <Helmutt> Hi everybody!
[09:41] <Helmutt> I've got a problem with totem... when I try to start it by opening a file or starting it with the menu it gives me an error... but the only thing it says is "Totem could not start up Resource busy or not available"
[09:41] <Helmutt> Got any idea what's wrong?
[09:41] <HappyFool> tony: well, if i browse to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports, it looks like their svn setup is broken
[09:42] <klaas_> what are you trying to open,
[09:42] <klaas_> are you opening a file? or just starting up totem?
[09:42] <Helmutt> .flac and .wav
[09:42] <Helmutt> both
[09:42] <tony> Ok, thank you
[09:42] <klaas_> hmmmm
[09:42] <HappyFool> tony: try again later, or tomorrow, maybe it'll be working again
[09:43] <Hoxzer> Hmm... How the mp3 players should work with Linux ubuntu?
[09:43] <Hoxzer> im thinking of buying creative muvo slim 1024 MB
[09:43] <klaas_> goh, i realy don't know, if it also comes when you just open totem by apps, it can't be the codecs
[09:43] <iVolution> the only way i can connect to the internet on the computer i'm setting up ubuntu is via wireless. however, i need to install the ndiswrapper packages. how i can i do this? i'm running into permission problems because i can't sudo passwd root because of hostname registration probelms.
[09:44] <Xgates> does ubuntu compile like debian does from apt, I forgot I guess there are known as src.deb?
[09:45] <Helmutt> klaas_: no I don't think it's the codecs...
[09:45] <HappyFool> Xgates: apt-get has a 'source' command which gets source
[09:45] <klaas_> hmm
[09:45] <veritas> How can I save a print screen as a jpeg?
[09:45] <klaas_> moment, i'l look
[09:45] <Xgates> HappyFool: ok
[09:45] <hybrid> veritas: yes
[09:45] <HappyFool> veritas: System -> Take Screenshot
[09:46] <klaas_> yes
[09:46] <klaas_> i know helmutt
[09:46] <veritas> can i just rename the file tp .jpg?
[09:46] <HappyFool> veritas: not sure what formats it supports, but you can always convert the .png file to .jpg with gimp
[09:46] <klaas_> go to the synaptic
[09:46] <Helmutt> kk
[09:46] <HappyFool> veritas: see what happens, i'm not sure
[09:46] <veritas> Is gimp included in Ubuntu?
[09:46] <veritas> Looks like
[09:47] <tiggggr> it is, yeah
[09:47] <ShadowRage> lsdldoom: relocation error: lsdldoom: undefined symbol: open_music
[09:47] <nobile> yes
[09:47] <ShadowRage> lsdldoom: relocation error: lsdldoom: undefined symbol: music_mixer
[09:47] <klaas_> helmut, go to the synaptic, go to the list, type totem, when you see it, you do -> mark for uninstallation / after you done that, you apply the changes
[09:47] <HappyFool> veritas: no, just rename it
[09:47] <HappyFool> veritas: it worked here
[09:47] <ShadowRage> and this is an ubuntu package
[09:47] <HappyFool> veritas: i mean, in the Take Snapshot dialog box
[09:47] <ShadowRage> with ubuntu's SDL
[09:47] <Helmutt> klaas_: wich of them there are two....
[09:48] <Helmutt> totem and totem_gstreamer
[09:48] <klaas_> when you've done that, close and re open the synaptic, type totem again, you'll see it isn't marked, when it isn't marked, that's a good sing, right click and do : mark for installation
[09:48] <klaas_> moment
[09:48] <klaas_> i'll look
[09:48] <veritas> HappyFool: Cool, I'll try it
[09:48] <sbcl3> does anyone know how to change the gnome splash theme?
[09:48] <klaas_> helmutt : wich are marked?
[09:48] <alxconn> Could someone help me fix my resolution... please... I'm only getting 800x600, and I need 1024x768 @60hz
[09:48] <Helmutt> both ;)
[09:48] <Klaas> names?
[09:48] <Helmutt> totem and totem_gstreamer
[09:48] <Klaas> totem and totem-xine?
[09:48] <Klaas> okej
[09:49] <PhantomFreak> Is there a nice easy way to edit the GRUB boot loader settings
[09:49] <Helmutt> Klaas, swedish?
[09:49] <sbcl3> alxconn: i think you need to edit xorg.config found in /etc/x11
[09:49] <Klaas> no, just a litle bit ;)
[09:49] <Klaas> ok
[09:49] <Helmutt> kk :D
[09:49] <sbcl3> alxconn: you might need some graphics card drivers though
[09:49] <Klaas> unmark the streamer, and mark the wine
[09:49] <Klaas> xine
[09:49] <Klaas> and apply the changes, hej , jag r klaas ( correct? )
[09:49] <HappyFool> PhantomFreak: well, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, but i guess that doesn't qualify as easy ;)
[09:50] <Helmutt> japp :D
[09:50] <alxconn> sbcl3: thanks, i need some help with the edit.  I belive the drivers are here thought, simple S3 card...
[09:50] <iVolution> i'm getting a postdrop error when i try to set root password (sudo passwd root). what does this mean?
[09:50] <sbcl3> alxconn: its not a very big file. i think you'll figure it out
[09:50] <Klaas> ;), got a friend who's moved to sweden ( landskrona )
[09:50] <PhantomFreak> HappyFool: I'm just trying to figure out what some of the digits mean!
[09:51] <Helmutt> kk! :)
[09:51] <alxconn> sbcl3: what's the command line to edit it, that's what I'm having trouble with...
[09:51] <Klaas> when you've done that, try it
[09:51] <sbcl3> does anyone know how to edit the gnome splash screen?
[09:51] <HappyFool> alxconn: doesn't 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' help ?
[09:51] <sbcl3> alxconn: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:51] <Klaas> the settings i told you, work for me, if it doesn't work, uninstall the whole totem thing
[09:51] <Helmutt> Klaas, now it's working!!! Thack you very much!!!
[09:51] <Klaas> you're welcome
[09:52] <Klaas> yay ^_^ the first person i helped
[09:53] <Xgates> Ubuntu is only at Grub 0.95 for legacy, hmm that is a bit old considering 0.97 is out
[09:53] <Xgates> hmm
[09:53] <Xgates> #cedega
[09:54] <Helmutt> :D see ya
[09:54] <Klaas> cedega, isn't that a ' windows ' in linux? so you can play games etc? they told me that wasn't free
[09:54] <Klaas> does anyone has an idea how much that costs?
[09:54] <kakalto> $5 I think
[09:55] <Xgates> yes $5 a month
[09:55] <sbcl3> ouch
[09:55] <Klaas> O
[09:55] <thenuke> Klaas: it's not windows on linux, but it allows you to play windows games :P
[09:55] <Vjaz> But you can get it for free from the CVS if you compile it yourself. That version misses some features though I think.
[09:55] <Klaas> a month :p
[09:55] <Klaas> oh okej
[09:55] <Klaas> by paypal?
[09:55] <sbcl3> vjaz: can't you just use wine?
[09:55] <Vjaz> sbcl3: Wine has inferior DirectX-support.
[09:55] <Klaas> sbcl3, indeed, i'm installing counter-strike by wine
[09:55] <sbcl3> ah
[09:55] <alxconn> HappyFool:thanks, that looks like it will work!
[09:56] <HappyFool> alxconn: good luck
[09:56] <sbcl3> and no one know how to change that ugly splash screen?
[09:56] <kakalto> what directx does cvscedega support?
[09:56] <HappyFool> alxconn: configuring x can be a bit tricky
[09:56] <Vjaz> I'm not sure how Transgaming is getting away with it all. I mean they are modifying GPL'ed source, but yet the full version isn't free, and the CVS version isn't under the GPL I think. It's under the Aladdin license or something.
[09:56] <kakalto> and how could I make games go full-screen in cvscedega or wine?
[09:57] <Xgates> you dont want to mess with cvs just pay the $5 a month, it's bad enough getting the $5 a month one to work, let alone a cvs version which will kill ya
[09:57] <Xgates> LOL
[09:57] <kakalto> Vjaz, I think they "sell" support and/or warranty and/or extra software
[09:57] <kakalto> lol
[09:58] <veritas> Would I ruin a bunch of stuff if I renamed Desktop to desktop? :x
[09:58] <HappyFool> speaking of games, does anyone here play supertux ?
[09:58] <HappyFool> i'm stuck in the first level *embarrassment*
[09:58] <kakalto> I have it, haven't played it yet
[09:58] <theine> veritas, why would you want to do that?
[09:58] <veritas> What's it about, HappyFool ?
[09:58] <Xgates> better then if you need FREE to get wine and compile it with DirectX support
[09:58] <Vjaz> Xgates: I actually did get the CVS version running quite easily with some instructions found with google (I think the instructions were on a Gentoo site)
[09:58] <Xgates> --->http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/
[09:59] <HappyFool> veritas: side-scroller with a penguin
[09:59] <HappyFool> veritas: available via apt-get ;)
[09:59] <Xgates> Vjaz: well wine with that DirectX patch might be the way to go also
[09:59] <Vjaz> Xgates: I haven't tried much odd games with it though.
[09:59] <Vjaz> Xgates: I doubt applying patches to the wine tree is any easier...
[09:59] <Vjaz> Xgates: But yeah, I guess you can do that.
[10:00] <Xgates> Vjaz: I compiled wine with a eariler directx patch, was very simple
[10:00] <Xgates> Vjaz: just apply the patch like you would patch anything and run the wine compile installer is all
[10:00] <Xgates> and then as root for Ubuntu use checkinstall and make a .deb
[10:01] <Xgates> I did it as this way in Slackware and it worked
[10:01] <alxconn> ok, really quick, what's the key combo to restart xserver...
[10:01] <HappyFool> you can do ctl-alt-backspace
[10:01] <HappyFool> but you might as well log out first
[10:01] <PhantomFreak> What is the copy command?
[10:01] <HappyFool> or not
[10:01] <HappyFool> cp
[10:02] <puvneet> i just downloaded xine-ui and tried to install i get th emessage  Couldn't find package xine-ui
[10:02] <kakalto> SuperTux is trippy!!!
[10:02] <kakalto> :D
[10:02] <puvneet> help please
[10:02] <HappyFool> kakalto: let me know how to get over the brown wall!
[10:02] <kakalto> uhh okay
[10:02] <HappyFool> kakalto: there's a sign that says 'run' in front of it
[10:02] <puvneet> help
[10:03] <HappyFool> ;)
[10:03] <kakalto> run == left control
[10:03] <puvneet> who me
[10:03] <HappyFool> kakalto: oh?
[10:03] <HappyFool> where'd you see that?
[10:03] <alxconn> thanks! that worked, but i'm still in 800x600
[10:03] <kakalto> HappyFool, in the menu
[10:04] <kakalto> HappyFool, push escape, go options, controls...
[10:04] <HappyFool> ah, thank you
[10:04] <kakalto> This game is the greatest....
[10:04] <HappyFool> alxconn: did you select a higher mode in the reconfigure ?
[10:04] <kakalto> they should port it to the gba and gbds and psp and everything!!!
[10:04] <kakalto> :P
[10:04] <puvneet> i just downloaded the tar for xine-ui and untared and tried to use the terminal adn get the message Couldn't find package xine-ui
[10:04] <alxconn> happyfool: yeah
[10:04] <xfSx> armin van buuren!
[10:04] <HappyFool> alxconn: try ctl-alt-+ ?
[10:05] <HappyFool> puvneet: install xinue-ui through synaptic or apt-get
[10:05] <samuel> sup all
[10:05] <HappyFool> puvneet: you shouldn't need to untar anything
[10:05] <puvneet> it's not in synaptic
[10:05] <FunnyLookinHat> anyone here gotten KOTOR installed via wine?
[10:05] <HappyFool> it should Just Work
[10:05] <alxconn> happyfool:swiches between 640x480 and 1024x768
[10:06] <HappyFool> puvneet
[10:06] <HappyFool> puvneet: it is. add the repositories as instructed in ubuntuguide.org
[10:06] <puvneet> i looked there
[10:06] <HappyFool> xine-ui is in hoary/universe
[10:07] <puvneet> do i have apt-get already or do i have to download it
[10:07] <HappyFool> looked where? ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:07] <puvneet> yes
[10:07] <HappyFool> you should apt-get it. or use synaptic, which is probably easier
[10:07] <mr_roboto> can someone tell me what "ecj-bootstrap" is? is that the Eclipse IDE? should I just go grab the thing from eclipse.org instead?
[10:07] <puvneet> i have the page open already
[10:07] <HappyFool> however, you have to add universe to your repository list
[10:07] <HappyFool> and then you must do an update ('sudo apt-get update', or 'Reload' in synaptic)
[10:07] <puvneet> i have xine xine-ui-0.99.3 on a folder on my desktop
[10:08] <HappyFool> i recommend synaptic. it is easy to use and fairly user-friendly
[10:08] <puvneet> i used it it's not there
[10:08] <HappyFool> puvneet: then you haven't setup the repositories properly
[10:09] <puvneet> stupid question, what are respositories
[10:09] <kakalto> HappyFool, where's the homepage for this game?
[10:09] <HappyFool> in general it means a place to store things
[10:10] <kakalto> found it, never mind
[10:10] <HappyFool> in ubuntu, it means a place where software is kept (usually on the internet), so that you can download it
[10:10] <HappyFool> kakalto: sorry, not clue
[10:10] <puvneet> hello
[10:10] <HappyFool> puvneet: apt-get and synaptic make software installation easy, once it's setup
[10:11] <puvneet> is apt-get set up already
[10:11] <puvneet> and is synaptic already setup
[10:11] <HappyFool> puvneet: i need to go to sleep; read the instructions on ubuntuguide.org carefully, they will tell you how to setup apt-get
[10:11] <HappyFool> puvneet: no. you need to do extra setup
[10:11] <HappyFool> good night!
[10:11] <tony> Can someone check if backports multiverse is still down, or if its just me?
[10:12] <puvneet> night?
[10:13] <rustyx51> hello everybodyy
[10:13] <rustyx51> can i ask somebody one question about ubuntu?
[10:13] <Hoxzer> hello you
[10:13] <rustyx51> I'm a new tryer of linux
[10:13] <Hoxzer> no, if I dont allow it
[10:14] <rustyx51> and i'd like to install
[10:14] <rustyx51> amsn
[10:14] <rustyx51> is it possible
[10:14] <iVolution> is ndiswrapper-modules not included w/ horary?
[10:14] <iVolution> *hoary
[10:14] <mr_roboto> rustyx51: sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:15] <tony> Can someone check if backports multiverse is still down, or if its just me?
[10:15] <rustyx51> mr-roboto i don't understand
[10:15] <Tiboz> hello
[10:15] <mr_roboto> rustyx51: that's the command to install it
[10:15] <Tiboz> anyone knows when breezy will be usable ?
[10:16] <rustyx51> i have to open this file
[10:16] <rustyx51> but it doesn't word
[10:16] <toran> anyone up for helping me configure apache on my computer so I can run my python CGI scripts from a userdir in my home directory?
[10:16] <toran> I already have userdirs working
[10:16] <toran> I just need to get the cgi-bin working
[10:16] <alxconn> ok, once again (and this time i'll write it down) what is the command to edit xf86's config?  Thanks...
[10:16] <tony> Anyone know where I can get Mplayer via apt?
[10:16] <rustyx51> sorry I m just a beginner
[10:17] <Tiboz> tony: in the multiverse section
[10:18] <rustyx51> is there a french chat to ask questions?
[10:18] <kakalto> #ubuntu-fr ?
[10:18] <Tiboz> rustyx51: #ubuntu-fr
[10:19] <tony> Tiboz
[10:19] <Tiboz> tony: ?
[10:19] <tony> Can you check if the multiverse is up now? Its giving me an error when updating
[10:19] <Flav> tony: what error?
[10:19] <tony> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary                                             -extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_b                                             ackports_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No su                                             ch file or directory)
[10:19] <Tiboz> tony: it works for me
[10:20] <tony> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extr
[10:20] <tony> as/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[10:20] <tony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rRj6Dn19.html - is my Sources.list
[10:20] <Flav> tony: that's not the multiverse location AFAIK?
[10:20] <Tiboz> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[10:21] <Tiboz> try rather this one
[10:21] <Flav> tony: try what Tiboz said and/or check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[10:21] <Flav> (same url either way)
[10:21] <tony> Ok, thank you
[10:22] <Flav> tony: the Ubuntu backports project you were using is separate from the "main" Ubuntu universe/multiverse servers
[10:22] <tony> ok
[10:22] <tony> thank you
[10:23] <Flav> tony: it appears the Ubuntu backports project is indeed busted at the moment, though
[10:23] <tony> alright, thank you
[10:23] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[10:23] <iVolution> is ndiswrapper-modules not included w/ hoary?
[10:23] <XhyldazhK> can anyone post/dcc me its sources.list file?
[10:24] <mpm> iVolution: not packaged, but in the repositories
[10:24] <XhyldazhK> I've upgraded to hoary a month ago, but i don't upgrade anymore
[10:24] <XhyldazhK> because each time i upgrade there are no packages to upgrade
[10:24] <mpm> XhyldazhK: http://ubuntuguide.org/ has a sample sources.list
[10:24] <lotusleaf> Ubuntu updates to newer versions like Debian updates, right?
[10:25] <iVolution> mpm my box that i need it for doesnt have a hard line to the net... if i download the deb on another computer and transfer it to that one, where do i put it?
[10:25] <lotusleaf> unlike some other distros which require a fresh reinstall?
[10:25] <XhyldazhK> mpm: i just installed a fresh hoary on a laptop and it has some like a hoary-update repository
[10:25] <iVolution> XhyldazhK: too stable for ya ;-/?
[10:25] <XhyldazhK> i cannot remember nor google the address of it
[10:25] <mpm> iVolution: I don't know that much; never done that
[10:26] <colera> anyone else have strange behaviour on you trackpad with ubuntu on a laptop?
[10:26] <kakalto> score...1680...
[10:26] <kakalto> :(
[10:26] <XhyldazhK> iVolution: I love ever-changing systems, I never fresh installed hoary in this machine, i gradually upgraded from warty to hoary
[10:28] <iVolution> XhyldazhK: sounds like youre fit for the gentoo lifestyle
[10:28] <flodine> anyone know the best tv player for gnome?
[10:28] <lotusleaf> flodine tvtime?
[10:30] <colera> does gnome have a feature to hide the border? or go fullscreen like kde does when you right click on the window?
[10:30] <flodine> wake folks
[10:30] <flodine> dont sleep now
[10:30] <flodine> ?
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> iVolution: do you have the address of the hoary update repository?
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> flodine: the most useful for me is xawtv
[10:30] <nalioth> l8r
[10:30] <mpm> if you were doing a fresh reinstall of ubuntu, would you back up and replace ALL of the folders preceded by a . in your home dir?
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> mpm: do you know the address of the update repository?
[10:30] <iVolution> XhyldazhK: nope
[10:30] <XhyldazhK> iVolution: nope... gentooers compile everything...
[10:31] <XhyldazhK> I like prepackaged stuff instead
[10:31] <mpm> XhyldazhK: this is the sources.list I use http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_backportsrepositories
[10:31] <usual> is ubuntu a good idea for a server OS?
[10:31] <XhyldazhK> thanx mpm
[10:32] <mpm> np
[10:32] <^thehatsrule^> no, gentoo has prepackaged stage 3 install as well
[10:33] <XhyldazhK> yes... but all packages you can get are normally sources to compile
[10:34] <waterbeetle> hello ubuntu
[10:34] <goldfish> lol
[10:34] <goldfish> Way to scare 'em off :)
[10:34] <waterbeetle> hehe
[10:37] <tony> How do i uninstall a package with apt?
[10:37] <lotusleaf> I love the default ubuntu splash screen/login screen, it's very well done.
[10:37] <liable> apt-get remove foo
[10:38] <XhyldazhK> i love the overall human theme
[10:38] <lotusleaf> yeah it's nice
[10:38] <lotusleaf> I just installed ubuntu for the first time, quickest and easiest distro install to date in my experience
[10:39] <hybrid> lotusleaf: congrats
[10:39] <lotusleaf> hybrid ;)
[10:39] <iVolution> how do i get the gnome wireless applet?
[10:39] <Ghetek> im trying to install a logitech quickcam messenger driver from here http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Quickcam_Messenger_Linux_kernel_2.6_driver but whenever i try it I get a few errors, im new to linux (im a windows guy)  here is my pastebin http://pastebin.com/284837
[10:39] <hybrid> iVolution: try right clicking the panel
[10:40] <iVolution> if its called 'wireless something something', its not there. thats why im asking.