[00:17] <ScottL> troy_s, sorry, i've got a million things going on in my head right now and i'm not sure i understand what you are saying
[02:09]  * holstein adding ScottL 's post the the ubuntu weekly news letter :)
[02:16] <holstein> This post is from the blog 'Confessions of a Ubuntu Studio Developer' by Scott Lavender, currently the project lead for Ubuntu Studio. In this post, Scott gives us the facts on where the Ubuntu Studio project is right now, and where it is heading, and how the community can get involved to help the project maintain momentum. For those of us who take advantage of the Ubuntu Studio packages and development, this is a must-read, 'call to action'.
[03:37] <paulopinheiro> Good Evening from Brasil!
[03:38] <paulopinheiro> Is rt kernel working with ext4 filesystem already?
[03:39] <holstein> paulopinheiro: AFAIK
[03:39] <holstein> im using it with no issues i can find
[03:39] <holstein> 32 and 64bit
[03:40] <paulopinheiro> which kernel version are you using, holstein?
[03:40] <holstein> i was using the one from the repo
[03:40] <holstein> i think its the older one from karmic
[03:41] <holstein> but i added https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[03:41] <holstein> ive been using that one ^^ for a week or so on the 64bit box
[03:42] <paulopinheiro> ok. I updated to Lynx and decided to use ext4 (I used Reiserfs before). Since then I couldn't use the rt kernel
[03:42]  * holstein found the PPA purge feature in ubuntu-tweak
[03:42] <holstein> and ive been trying some PPA's
[03:42] <holstein> paulopinheiro: yeah?
[03:43] <holstein> whats the error?
[03:43] <paulopinheiro> It's been a long time I did it. But as I can remember, it used to freeze at startup
[03:43] <paulopinheiro> Just after GRUB
[03:44] <holstein> hmmm
[03:44] <paulopinheiro> Since then I've been looking for news about it
[03:44] <holstein> what makes you think its file system related?
[03:44] <holstein> i assume you can boot normally with the generic kernel
[03:44] <paulopinheiro> I read somewhere that there was some kind of incompatibility
[03:44] <paulopinheiro> yes
[03:44] <holstein> paulopinheiro: there is another kernel
[03:44] <holstein> low-latency
[03:45] <holstein> that might do it for you
[03:45] <holstein> if your not doing any realtime effects processing, or a lot of live soft-synth playing, the generic kernel might do it
[03:45] <paulopinheiro> isn't that deprecated by rt?
[03:46] <holstein> from what i understand, its a new thing
[03:46] <holstein> a low-latency kernel package, and an RT one
[03:46] <paulopinheiro> I stopped messing with sounds, waiting for a kernel upgrade. Until then I'm using generic
[03:47] <paulopinheiro> I already have RT installed, but only on grub
[03:48] <paulopinheiro> version <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:48] <paulopinheiro> 2.6.31-11-rt
[03:48] <paulopinheiro> But thank you, holstein. I'll try it again
[03:48] <holstein> i would wonder if its some device that is not working with that kernel
[03:48] <holstein> paulopinheiro: it wouldnt hurt anything to add that PPA
[03:49] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[03:49] <holstein> and try that updated kernel
[03:49] <holstein> you can always undo that
[03:49] <paulopinheiro> Sorry to ask: what is a PPA?
[03:49] <holstein> try that RT kernel
[03:49] <holstein> paulopinheiro: you know what a repository is?
[03:49] <paulopinheiro> yes
[03:50] <holstein> its like adding a repository
[03:50] <holstein> Personal Package Archive
[03:50] <paulopinheiro> ok
[03:50] <holstein> you add an alternate place to get packages from
[03:50] <holstein> either more up to date ones, or different ones
[03:50] <paulopinheiro> So I add it to my software channel list
[03:50] <holstein> yeah
[03:51] <holstein> i do it in synaptic
[03:51] <holstein> but you can add it so the sources file
[03:51] <holstein> you add his PPA
[03:51] <paulopinheiro> ok
[03:51] <paulopinheiro> thank you, holstein
[03:52] <paulopinheiro> I'll try it :)
[03:52] <holstein> and do sudo apt-get install linux-realtime
[03:52] <holstein> and you got it :)
[03:52] <holstein> you can just search linux-realtime in synaptic and remove them if it doesnt work out
[03:52] <holstein> its worth a try
[03:52] <holstein> good luck
[03:52] <paulopinheiro> How does it go the complete line?
[03:52] <paulopinheiro> deb https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[03:53] <paulopinheiro> deb https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa lucid main ?
[03:54] <paulopinheiro> Ok... I found it... sorry to ask. It's on the page
[03:55] <holstein> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[03:55] <holstein> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[03:55] <holstein> OOPS
[03:55] <holstein> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[03:55] <holstein> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[03:55] <holstein> paulopinheiro: and you have to get the 'key'
[03:55] <holstein> import the key
[03:55] <holstein> the 'signing key'
[03:56] <paulopinheiro> 1024R/F141B61E
[03:58] <holstein> i still do it the hard way
[03:58] <holstein> i copy the key data to ta text file
[03:59] <holstein> and import it in the import section under sources in synaptic
[03:59] <holstein> im SURE there is an easier way though
[04:00] <paulopinheiro> I'm learning to fly on-the-fly
[04:00] <paulopinheiro> But it is funny! :)
[04:01] <paulopinheiro> Thank you again! I'm downloading right now
[04:02] <paulopinheiro> I just read Scott Lavender post on Planet Ubuntu
[04:02] <holstein> AH
[04:02] <holstein> glad you found us
[04:02] <paulopinheiro> Abount Ubuntu Studio
[04:03] <paulopinheiro> Is that something I could help using Java? (I think I see only C and Python products)
[04:04] <holstein> paulopinheiro: im sure theres something you can do
[04:04] <holstein> did you join the mailing list?
[04:04] <holstein> it can be quiet on the IRC
[04:04] <holstein> you can find ScottL on here though
[04:05] <paulopinheiro> He is on the list
[04:05] <holstein> he would be a good person to ask about getting more envolved
[04:05] <holstein> paulopinheiro: AFAIK
[04:06] <paulopinheiro> I'll be back here in a better moment. I don't know where he talks from. Here, in Brasil, it's already 0:05h
[04:07] <holstein> sure
[04:07] <holstein> ALSO #opensourcemusicians
[04:07] <holstein> nice community over there
[04:08] <paulopinheiro> Thank you one more time. I'll try a reboot now and see what happens in my new kernel :)
[04:08] <holstein> :)
[04:09] <paulopinheiro> bye
[04:14] <ScottL> aw, thanks holstein, that rocks
[04:14] <ScottL> holstein, you should see about getting your ubuntu membership
[04:15] <holstein> im thinking about it
[04:16] <holstein> i got my wiki straitened out
[04:16] <holstein> i just want to make sure i have time for it
[15:31] <ckontros> ScottL: I do kinda dig the "n" and the "d" connecting like you did.
[15:31] <ScottL> ckontros, thanks :)
[15:33] <ckontros> I'm going out to a lake in a bit. Hanging outdoors. But I'll try to tinker later. Defiantly next weekend.
[15:35] <ckontros> ScottL: Try to talk to Troy a bit. See if he can give some direction, a style to go after. He'll most likely hate the idea of us using the new font but I kinda dig it.
[15:36] <ckontros> Maybe try the "n" into the top if the "t"? Offsetting the text gives you some negative space to work with and makes it feel less boxy.
[15:36] <ckontros> I'd try myself but Im in windows atm.
[15:37] <ScottL> ckontros, yeah, i didn't did the new font at first either, but then i realized it was the abugergine (or how ever it is spelled) mroe than anything i didn't like
[15:37] <ScottL> ckontros, seeing the lubutnu stuff made me realize that i didn't think it looked so bad in black and white
[15:38] <ScottL> ckontros, i'm also out for a while running errands in town and have a wedding this afternoon
[15:38] <ckontros> Sure sure. And note that the logo as I sent it isnt the strait font. Ubuntu's logo is actually condensed a little. So, what I sent you is in vector and not font.
[15:39] <ckontros> And I squished the "ubuntu studio" as well.
[15:42] <ckontros> ScottL: #7 I think has the best layout atm. Try developing that with the "n" and the "t" connected. See where the COF fits.
[17:11] <ScottL> themuso makes jono's blog http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/08/07/making-ubuntu-more-accessible/
[22:42] <ScottL> hi stochastic


[01:00] <highvoltage> does Unity have an upstream website (or web page) currently?
[01:03] <persia> highvoltage, apt-cache show points at https://launchpad.net/unity
[01:04] <highvoltage> persia: I saw that, not quite marketingy enough, but I guess it will do :)
[01:05] <persia> Maybe ask the ayatana folk?
[01:22] <beuno> highvoltage, there is no other page than the launchpad one
[01:22]  * beuno waves at persia
[01:23] <highvoltage> thanks, beuno
[01:24] <persia> hey beuno
[01:24] <persia> There's the announcement press release, and video of some presentations, if one is desperate :)
[06:22] <dholbach> good morning
[06:26] <ion> hi
[06:42] <dylan-m> good night :P
[06:43] <dholbach> night dylan-m! :)
[06:56] <asacv> guys ... wget with http proxy does not work in lucid?
[06:56] <asacv> i have env set ... even tried tweaking /etc/wgetrc
[06:57] <asacv> wget -> fails to resolv host ... curl works -> debootstrap fails
[07:01] <dholbach> asac, in some cases I found that HTTP_PROXY vs http_proxy makes a difference
[07:02] <asac> hmm ... let me try dholbach
[07:02] <asac> nope
[07:02] <asac> how can such a basic feature be broken :)
[08:49] <quadrispro> hi guys
[08:49] <quadrispro> any main's sponsor around?
[08:51] <quadrispro> bug #625327 needs a bit of love
[08:57] <soren> quadrispro: I just put an ACK in the comments, unsubscribe main sponsors, and subscribe ubuntu-archive, right?
[08:58] <quadrispro> soren, yes, it is
[08:58] <soren> quadrispro: done.
[08:59] <quadrispro> thanks soren !
[09:05] <soren> quadrispro: Sure.
[09:06] <quadrispro> soren, you should set mark it "Confirmed", I think
[09:06] <quadrispro> s/set//
[09:07]  * soren does so
[09:11]  * quadrispro thinks soren rocks
[09:44] <cjwatson> lool: linaro-image-tools depends on uuidgen-runtime, which isn't in the archive.  Was that meant to be uuid-runtime?
[09:45] <cjwatson> lool: and why the explicit dependencies on Essential util-linux, e2fsprogs, and coreutils?
[09:45] <ogra_cmpc> smells like someone copied the jasper deps
[09:45] <ogra_cmpc> iircd linaro used jasper in the very beginning
[09:45] <ogra_cmpc> -d
[09:46] <ogra_cmpc> i guess thats a leftover ... when they stopped using jasper that wasnt cleaned up (jasper needs these deps to resize the rootfs on first boot)
[09:49] <lool> cjwatson: Crap, I fixed the deps in the shell script but not in control; sorry about that
[09:49] <lool> cjwatson: Fixing that now
[09:49] <cjwatson> if jasper has the same, then it is buggy too ...
[09:50] <cjwatson> lool: thanks
[09:50] <lool> I didn't think of checking whether any where Essential
[09:50] <cjwatson> jasper has uuid-runtime not uuidgen-runtime; and it has versioned dependencies on the Essential packages, which exempts it from the lintian check
[09:50] <cjwatson> so no, not obviously a copy of jasper
[09:52] <soren> I always forget.. Is it only essential packages that don't need to depended on or can I skip required packages, too?
[09:53] <cjwatson> only essential
[09:53] <lool> We never used jasper, it's not from jasper it's from the ensure_command line in the linaro-media-create script
[09:53] <soren> cjwatson: Thanks. Do you happen to know the rationale for this? Perhaps that'll help me remember.
[09:54] <cjwatson> required packages are removable without complaint
[09:54] <soren> cjwatson: I see.
[09:55] <cjwatson> also, Priority: required is the transitive closure of Essential, including shared library packages which it's usually easy to remember that you have to depend on
[09:56] <cjwatson> actually, I think strictly the transitive closure under Depends of Essential is a subset of Priority: required, but anyway
[09:57] <cjwatson> also, there's a footnote in the policy manual about why depends are omitted on Essential, which may be a useful alternative way to think about it
[09:57] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f8
[09:57] <ogra_cmpc> lool, asac used jasper for quite some time
[09:58] <ogra_cmpc> lool, for the jasper setup scripts to avoid duplication
[09:58] <ogra_cmpc> (not for the resize stuff)
[09:59] <soren> cjwatson: Thanks! That's very helpful.
[09:59] <lool> cjwatson: I have an upload ready, but I need to sort out some bzr stuff before I push it; will upload later today when james_w is up
[10:00] <cjwatson> ok
[10:02] <cjwatson> kirkland: could eucalyptus be reuploaded to use libavahi-core7-udeb, so that we can NBS out libavahi-core6-udeb?
[10:12] <soren> We've attempted to use udd for working on libvirt. I think we may have done it wrong... So, we checked out lp:ubuntu/libvirt. Hacked on it, used dch to update the changelog, debcommit to commit changes as we went along.. Eventually, I ran dch --release, debcommit --release, bzr bd -S and uploaded.
[10:13] <soren> ..but once the upload was processed and imported, the branch we were working on got moved out of the way and a pristine one was put in its place.
[10:13] <soren> ("pristine" as in "consisting exlusively of stuff put there by the importer")
[10:14] <soren> Am I supposed to merge the two and push?
[10:15] <soren> I tried looking at wiki.u.c/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/, but I didn't feel any smarter afterwards.
[10:17] <soren> Oh!
[10:17] <cjwatson> this usually happens if the tag is not what it expected
[10:17]  * soren just spotted the merge proposal.
[10:17] <cjwatson> sometimes the right thing to do is to push --overwrite the branch you wanted, if the import doesn't add anything new, but do check things like tags carefully
[10:17] <cjwatson> and possibly check with james_w :-)
[10:18] <soren> cjwatson: I guessed it might be a tag mismatch, but I tried "bzr mark-uploaded" on my local branch, and it said it was already tagged.
[10:19] <soren> cjwatson: Hm... This seems like it's my fault, actually. There's a diff between the two.
[10:20]  * soren didn't think that was possible when using "bzr bd -S" to build the source package.
[10:25] <cjwatson> soren: mm.  I must say that I generally build the source package *then* commit+tag, just in case.
[10:25] <soren> cjwatson: I /may/ have done that.
[10:25] <cjwatson> you should be able to merge the imported branch into your more detailed branch, and push that.  (Doing it that way round may result in a more obvious history.)
[10:26] <soren> cjwatson: Anyways, the problem turned out to be a file that was added.
[10:26] <soren> cjwatson: The importer gave it one id, my local branch gave it another => conflict.
[10:26] <soren> Exact same name, exact same contents.
[10:26] <cjwatson> you may want to check with james_w, then; that sounds like an importer bug
[10:27] <soren> That's the plan when he turns up :)
[11:28] <Riddell> alf__, slangasek: what's the status of qt4-qws ?
[11:31] <alf__> Riddell: Hi! Current plan is to have it in PPA for this cycle. We are also in contact with upstream so that for Lighthouse they will hopefully have a different soname for the UI libs and all other libraries are the same.
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm ok, I'll reject it from new queue
[11:34] <alf__> Riddell: wasn't it already rejected? :)
[11:34] <Riddell> alf__: yes, and re-uploaded
[11:35] <alf__> Riddell: hmm, I wasn't aware of that, can you give me a minute to see what is going on?
[11:35] <Riddell> alf__: I reuploaded it because asac still wanted it in the archive
[11:39] <alf__> Riddell: ok, feel free to remove it, thanks!
[12:04] <lool> cjwatson: Pushed new linaro-image-tools (0.2) fixing the deps; sorry about that
[12:09] <cjwatson> that's ok
[14:54] <mdz> cjwatson, Keybuk, sabdfl, TB in 5, agenda is up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[14:58] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I got your e-mail about Plymouth, but my peril-sensitive glasses engaged when I tried to read it
[14:59] <smoser> cjwatson, i'm looking at bug 632096 (the bug i opened to modify euca to use grub rescue images rather than grub-mk-rescue).
[15:01] <smoser> i'm looking at grub-mkrescue, and it uses '--embedded-boot' of 'boot.img', which is not in the iso9660 filesystem itself. i'm not sure if i absolutely need it or not, but I don't see a way to get it via isoinfo.
[15:01] <cjwatson> smoser: you don't need it if all you need is the equivalent of core.img
[15:02] <smoser> well i need to build a booting iso, (or floppy). I'd prefer ISO, just because i can kind of invision the loader being larger than would fit into my floppy.
[15:03] <smoser> so, sorry to be ignorant, but all i know is coming from man pages and the grub-* scripts.
[15:03] <cjwatson> you don't need it for CD booting either
[15:03] <cjwatson> /boot/grub/i386-pc/eltorito.img in the image is fine for that
[15:04] <cjwatson> the --embedded-boot stuff is for the purpose of creating a hybrid CD/USB/floppy image
[15:06] <smoser> well, that is ideal for me... the stuff i currently have would make a cdrom just as it would make a floppy, the only difference is the floppy gets the size set to 2880K.
[15:07] <smoser> if i have to live with making a floppy one way (using core.img) and cdrom another, then i can, it just seemed nicer with the hyprid.
[15:10] <smoser> am i sort of stuck with that ?
[15:13] <cjwatson> I think you probably are for now, sorry
[15:14] <smoser> thank you cjwatson
[15:17] <tkamppeter> Anyone can help me with an update problem? Bug 631617? How have the Conflicts/Replaces/Provides on foomatic-db and foomatic-db-compressed-ppds to be set so that an update from Lucid (or older) to Maverick works?
[15:18] <Riddell> tkamppeter: let me look
[15:19] <Riddell> tkamppeter: I think I fixed that yesterday by removing hpijs-ppds, ijsgutenprint and foomatic-db-gutenprint from the kubuntu seeds
[15:19] <Riddell> tkamppeter: does that sound like the right thing to have done?
[15:21] <tkamppeter> Riddell, yes, these three packages should really not be in any seeds.
[15:22] <Riddell> tkamppeter: great, I'll close the bug
[15:27] <cjwatson> Riddell: the user says ubuntu-desktop, not kubuntu-desktop, so I don't understand how a change in kubuntu-desktop could have helped
[15:27] <cjwatson> perhaps mvo needs to look at this one
[15:28] <Riddell> the bug title says kubuntu-desktop
[15:31] <cjwatson> the log says: 2010-09-06 16:17:13,123 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'Can not mark 'ubuntu-desktop' for upgrade'
[15:32] <cjwatson> although kubuntu-desktop appears to also be installed
[15:32] <mvo> I have a look
[15:32] <cjwatson> ibus-pinyin was also broken, which I believe to be fixed now
[15:32] <cjwatson> and python-mako
[15:33] <cjwatson> (likewise)
[15:33] <cjwatson> so I'm sure those weren't helping
[15:36] <jibel> cjwatson, the problem was that kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop were both installed, that k-desktop wants to upgrade foomatic-db and u-desktop wants to install foomatic-db-compressed-ppds which both conflicts.
[15:36] <jibel> cjwatson, I've just tried in a VM and foomatic-db is now removed and replaced by foomatic-db-compressed-ppds.
[15:39] <tkamppeter> jibel, Riddell, cjwatson thanks.
[15:40] <mvo> jibel: nice, thanks a bunch
[15:40] <cjwatson> jibel: yay
[15:43] <Keybuk> huh, there's a Mumble client for iPhone in their GIT repo
[15:54] <cjwatson> james_w`: I may have said this before, but remind me to buy you a drink for sync-helper.py at some point
[15:55] <cjwatson> StevenK: ... and you, since I just noticed you wrote it to start with and apparently I'd been misattributing it.  sorry!
[15:55] <james_w`> cjwatson: much easier isn't it?
[15:55] <cjwatson> looks like both
[15:55] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm trying to get into the habit of just doing them daily
[15:55] <Keybuk> kk, let's see whether this builds
[15:57] <StevenK> cjwatson: It's both, I started it, james_w` made it better.
[16:15] <Daviey> Hi, would an AA be able to publish eucalyptus 1.6.2-0ubuntu30.4 to proposed?
[16:57] <lamont> how in the hell do I get Network Mangler to quit editing /etc/hosts?
[18:44] <mycae> Hello. I am having some problems with cowbuilder (lucid).  I am getting "Package cowdancer is not available, but is referred to by another package"
[18:44] <mycae> This appears to have happened to a couple of other users, but I can't find the solution.
[18:44] <mycae> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/30/%23ubuntu-devel.html
[19:15] <tyarusso> mycae: cowdancer appears to be in universe.
[19:18] <mycae> but universe is in my /etc/sources.list.
[19:19] <mycae> I have lucid-backports enabled -- could this be causing it?
[19:19] <tyarusso> Maybe, but I kind of doubt it.  What's the relevant section of the logs page you posted?
[19:20] <mycae> search for either "cowdancer" or "kkszysiu"
[19:20] <tyarusso> um, not found...
[19:20] <mycae> kkszysiu logs on and has the same question; however I cannot figure out if he actually resolved it or not.
[19:20] <tyarusso> sure you got the right link?
[19:21] <mycae> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/29/%23ubuntu-devel.html
[19:21] <mycae> I just cut and pasted that from firefox
[19:21] <tyarusso> You had /30 before :)
[19:21] <mycae> ah
[19:21] <mycae> yes, i was wondering if it rolled over to the next day.
[19:24] <tyarusso> mycae: It looks like the answers consist of a) check which sources are defined *within* cowbuilder, and b) make sure you know how to use cowbuilder - xnox walks through a few steps.
[19:24] <mycae> I use cowbuilder under debian, but its usually rather automagic.
[19:40] <mycae> ok, so missing pbuilderrc appears to have been the candidate. Maybe I should file a bug in cowbuilder.
[19:40] <mycae> not the most obvious error  :(
[20:00] <Iraqi> ...................Ubuntu Version ...............10.10................beta ...... Is NOT support support HP Pavilion tx2645ee.... When running is west side not showing image correct I think this menu side so no thing see it and Auto restart so ................. bye bye
[20:00] <mterry> lool, asac, doko: Heyo, fellow MIRers.  Looking for guidance on bug 527142, starting around comment #11.  I'm inclined just to approve, as the server team will hopefully be on top of any library changes...
[20:04] <manjo> superm1, I was planning on returning your port replicator today
[20:05] <superm1> manjo, i'm here, feel free to swing by
[20:05] <superm1> hopefully you got some good results from it?
[20:05] <manjo> superm1, you mentioned in your email that you were not able to boot the 6410 ?
[20:05] <superm1> manjo, no i wasn't, i can show you in person here when you come by
[20:06] <manjo> hmmm I was able to boot the 6510 with those boot options .. not sure what is going on
[20:06] <superm1> might be a little different of a problem on the 6410
[20:06] <manjo> you get the same panic ?
[20:06] <superm1> i dunno, i don't have a port replicator to see with the options :)
[20:06] <manjo> :) ah
[20:07] <manjo> superm1, I will be there @4 is that ok ?
[20:07] <superm1> yeah that should be fine, my evening plans were foiled by this rain, so i'll be around for a few extra hours
[20:10] <manjo> superm1, I am booting todays amd64 iso, but getting buffer io err on dev sr0 ... so looking into what is going on
[20:12] <manjo> superm1, do you have any important info on this laptop? can I erase the HDD ?
[20:12] <superm1> manjo, feel free
[20:12] <manjo> ok
[20:13] <superm1> i think today's ISO should have a lot of the grub-installer fixes and partman fixes that cjwatson put together last week too, so you might be able to get through a full install now
[20:14] <manjo> yeah we did a lot of back and forth on installer last week and he emailed me saying todays iso should have those fixes he worked on
[20:18] <manjo> superm1, ok installing on your laptop with UEFI disk
[20:18] <manjo> keeping fingers cross that all the issues have been resolved wrt to grub-installer & partman
[20:19] <lool> mterry: Commented in the bug
[20:19] <manjo> hopefully cjwatson fixed all uefi install issues :)
[20:21] <superm1> manjo, if i remember right that should be the discrete model too, so you might be able to find out if there are issues with nvidia gfx driver and having no vbios after install too
[20:22] <manjo> great :)
[20:23] <mterry> lool, thanks, reading
[20:30] <manjo> cjwatson, superm1 failed to install grub-efi package failed to install into /target/
[20:33] <mneptok> hrmf. an upgrade on x86-64 Karmic complains about lftp not being in the repos.
[20:44] <manjo> cjwatson, bug 632642 opened for grub-efi not able to install on /target/
[20:44] <manjo> superm1, ^
[20:53] <tkamppeter> Ridell, ping
[20:53] <tkamppeter> Riddell, ping
[20:54] <superm1> manjo, what's up with all those intel ips errors in the logs?  i was seeing that on another system too
[20:54] <superm1> stuff like intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP power or thermal limit exceeded
[20:59] <manjo> superm1, looking ...
[21:11] <manjo> superm1, can I keep the 6510 for this week ?
[21:11] <manjo> superm1, I will return the port replicator @4
[21:11] <superm1> manjo, either that or we can trade 6410 for 6510, we can discuss when you swing by
[21:11] <manjo> superm1, ack
[21:13] <superm1> manjo, http://pastebin.com/EjnxcBMv might get you fully installed (it's a dirty hack, it looks like there is a depends/conflicts/replaces problem with grub-efi otherwise)
[21:13] <superm1> if you apply it to /usr/share/grub-installer/grub-installer before ubiquity gets to the phase it runs  grub-installer
[21:19] <manjo> superm1, super, let me try that ...
[21:42] <smoser> cjwatson, i would guess you're not around, is that correct ?
[21:44] <manjo> smoser, no I think.. I pinged him earlier with no response
[21:44] <smoser> its like its 11:00 pm for him or something, and he doesn't think he should be working :)
[21:45] <manjo> yep go figure!
[22:06] <manjo> superm1, looks like that hack worked
[22:06] <superm1> manjo, as in the install finished, or it boots?
[22:07] <manjo> superm1, its past the grub installer
[22:07] <superm1> ah cool
[22:07] <manjo> superm1, now waiting on "installing system"
[22:08] <manjo> superm1, install done
[22:10] <manjo> superm1, heh does nothing on reboot, blank screen ...
[22:13] <manjo> superm1, error: unknown filesystem.
[22:13] <manjo> grub rescue>
[22:13] <superm1> i think the prefix is getting set wrong, i just saw that same thing on another system that can actually boot using noexec=off
[22:14] <superm1> because the prefix seems to be set to (hd1,gpt1)/boot/grub, when it should actually be (hd1,gpt2)/boot/grub
[22:15] <superm1> and root is set to hd1,gpt1, when it should be hd1,gpt2
[22:15] <manjo> can I fix that on the fly ?
[22:16] <superm1> maybe, manually reseting the variables might work, but i think it then needs to still parse the right configuration file
[22:17] <manjo> superm1, can you add these comments to http://launchpad.net./bugs/632642
[22:17] <superm1> well this part is probably a separate bug
[22:18] <superm1> but i'll mention it
[22:19] <manjo> ok
[22:32] <EagleScreen> is it necessary to have four entries for memtest in maverick?
[22:33] <EagleScreen> I think this will confuse people
[22:33] <Riddell> tkamppeter: pong
[22:33] <EagleScreen> four entries in grub
[22:36] <tkamppeter> Riddell, it is about bug 631617: In comment #10 tarekeldeeb tells that he gets "E: Couldn't find package foomatic-compressed-ppds". The package I have named foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, can it be that you have mistyped in a seed?
[22:37] <Riddell> tkamppeter: there's no printing bits in the kubuntu seeds directly now, only in the common platform.maverick/desktop-common seeds
[22:37] <Riddell> tkamppeter: I think it's more likely he mistyped it
[22:38] <Riddell> tkamppeter: there's no rdepends for foomatic-compressed-ppds
[22:41] <tkamppeter> Riddell, thank you, I have added a comment to the bug now.
[22:52] <SpamapS> hrm, if using bzr-buildpackage on a native package, shouldn't it skip the part about getting a .orig tarball?
[22:52] <james_w`> SpamapS: yes
[22:52] <SpamapS> ah, --native
[22:53] <james_w`> SpamapS: mkdir - p .bzr-builddeb/ && echo -e "[BUILDDEB]/nnative = True" > .bzr-builddeb/default.conf && bzr add .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[22:54] <SpamapS> james_w`: I'd say native packags are the exception, not the rule, so I don't mind remembering to do --native for this one package. :)
[22:54] <james_w`> SpamapS: that's per-package
[22:54] <SpamapS> right now I see that
[22:55] <SpamapS> james_w`: couldn't you just read debian/source/format ?
[22:55] <james_w`> SpamapS: yes
[22:55] <SpamapS> want a wishlist bug as a reminder? ;)
[22:55] <james_w`> bug 586617
[22:55] <SpamapS> sweet
[22:55] <james_w`> have one thanks ;-)
[22:56] <SpamapS> james_w`: have I thanked you for bzr-builddeb lately btw? ;)
[22:56] <SpamapS> if not.. thanks :)
[22:56] <james_w`> I take complaints as thanks, it makes things easier ;-)
[22:57] <SpamapS> how very orwellian of you
[23:10] <Riddell> YokoZar: I see you're into Wine, are you going to fix bug 621694 ?
[23:19]  * micahg thought YokoZar was Wine in Ubuntu


[00:01] <sbalneav> Nope.
[00:02] <Lns> that'll be another can 'o worms I guess ;)
[00:03] <alkisg> Heh. No big harm there. Anyway, late here, g'night all...
[00:03] <Lns> But it basically just depends on the app itself right?
[00:03] <Lns> night alkisg !
[00:03] <sbalneav> Night alkisg
[00:03] <Lns> I mean, if you're running FF as a localapp only, it's not like you're not going to be able to connect via vnc..?
[00:04] <Lns> s/vnc/vino
[00:09] <Lns> sbalneav: about to get yer hardy version of sabayon
[00:13] <sbalneav> ok
[00:13] <sbalneav> We'll see if it works.
[00:13] <sbalneav> I'm betting no.
[00:17] <Lns> sbalneav: sabayon: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0) but 2.12.9-3ubuntu5 is to be installed || Depends: python (>= 2.6) but 2.5.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[00:17] <Lns> bork bork bork
[00:19] <sbalneav> yeah.  I'm gonna have to re-build the package from scratch, somehow.
[00:19] <sbalneav> not sure how this is going to work.
[00:21] <Lns> sbalneav: no worries, i'll be here once it's ready to test =)
[00:22] <sbalneav> Well, BUILDING the package is no problem.
[00:22] <sbalneav> getting it published to my ppa may be.
[00:22] <sbalneav> Working on it now.
[01:07] <sbalneav> Anyone know packaging?
[01:07] <sbalneav> Here's the situation.
[01:07] <sbalneav> On hardy, In order to get sabayon working, I need to:
[01:08] <sbalneav> from the base upstream tarball, I need to patch configure.ac, and then rerun autoconf before running configure.
[01:08] <sbalneav> how do I go about doing that?
[03:25] <dgroos1> Hi all--
[03:26] <dgroos1> I'm trying to completely remove all traces of iTALC from my computer before I reinstall it.
[03:27] <dgroos1> I "apt-get purge italc" and then libitalc.
[03:29] <dgroos1> then, I did "locate italc" and got a ton of files with italc in the name still.  So... I tried to remove each one (or the specific directories containing just italc stuff) with sudo rm /file/path/name.  There were some files
[03:29] <dgroos1> that were shown on locate, lots of them, that when I tried to remove them, didn't seem to exist!  what's going on?
[03:35] <sbalneav> locate doesn't update immediately
[03:38] <dgroos1> Ah, Right!  I bet there's a command which I'll dig up...
[03:42] <dgroos1> sudo updatedb
[03:57] <dgroos1> sbalneav: you've got a PPA, can you answer this?  I've got basically it all removed--just the ppa.launchpad.net stuff remains.  I've got 4 files in /var/lib/apt/.  Here are the ends of the filenames (which distinguish them)...
[03:59] <dgroos1> jaunty_Release and jaunty_Release.gpg and jaunty_main_binary-i386_Packages and jaunty_main_source_Sources.  Do I need all 4?
[04:00] <sbalneav> yes
[04:00] <dgroos1> thanks :)
[04:00] <sbalneav> You should have a lot more in there
[04:00] <sbalneav> keyrings  lists  mirrors  periodic etc
[04:01] <dgroos1>  got a little happy w/ sudo rm did I?
[04:01] <sbalneav> Yup
[04:01] <dgroos1> maybe I get rid of it all, reinstall sources and keys--work?
[04:01] <sbalneav> And, of course, you SAVED A BACKUP BEFORE YOU STARTED BLINDLY REMOVING THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, right? :)
[04:02] <sbalneav> I have no idea, you've probably hosed apt pretty badly.
[04:02] <dgroos1> Hmmm... wish I had a wider repertoire of smiley faces...
[04:02] <sbalneav> There's a ton of stuff in there.
[04:03] <dgroos1> I only removed things that specifically had the name italc in them...
[04:03] <sbalneav> best you can hope for is to do an apt-get update, see if it works.
[04:03] <sbalneav> well, if you don't have keyrings, lists, mirrors, etc
[04:03] <sbalneav> in that dir
[04:03] <sbalneav> then you removed more than you thought you did.
[04:03] <dgroos1> OK-- got it, make lots of backups... tonite...
[04:04] <sbalneav> what does apt-get update do?
[04:04] <dgroos1> those 4 files (and their duplicates in the /opt/ltsp/i386/ were the only things left in my updated 'locate' list.
[04:05] <dgroos1> seems to work--got 99% and is [waiting for headers]
[04:08] <dgroos1> looks like you got your sabayon update in your PPA :)
[04:08] <dgroos1> It worked :)
[04:16] <dgroos1> hmmm... at the 9:58 comment I made, should have said "there are only 4 things left in my locate database that have the word italc in them and they are located in /var/lib/apt/" not, "I've only got 4 files left in /var/lib/apt/"  So sorry for the confusion!  And thanks for reminding me about back ups, I need to do nightly!!!
[04:23] <sbalneav> I'm a sysadmin by trade.  Any system mods I do start out with 1) a backup 2) another backup 3) Yet another backup
[05:23] <dgroos> iTALC... sweet success!  After weeks of effort, it works!
[05:23] <dgroos> The trick was the removing of EVERY trace of iTALC from my system before a fresh reinstall.
[05:23] <dgroos> and now to a backup :)
[07:20] <alkisg> Good morning
[07:36] <jamil> afternoon
[07:48] <highvoltage> good {morning,afternoon} alkisg and jamil :)
[14:47] <ace_suares> hi
[14:56] <highvoltage> hi ace_suares and alkisg!
[14:56] <highvoltage> ace_suares: we missed you
[14:56] <alkisg> Hi highvoltage, hi all
[14:58] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:59] <sbalneav> Morning ace!
[14:59] <sbalneav> Good to see you back.
[15:21] <dgroos> Good morning all
[15:21] <mhall119|work> hey ace_suares
[15:22] <dgroos> and to see you back, ace_suares :)
[15:22] <dgroos> too
[16:43] <sbalneav> highvoltage: around?
[16:49] <BenCrisford> Hello fellas
[16:50] <sbalneav> Hello Ben
[16:50] <sbalneav> Long Time No See
[18:29] <Suhadi> Hi, Is there something like a tutorial or installtion guide for setup a thien client Server for a classroom with edubuntu 9.04?
[18:31] <Lns> Suhadi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall might help
[18:32] <Lns> For thin clients under *buntu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ is the wiki with the most information regarding how to "do things"
[18:33] <Suhadi> ah okay thanks so far
[18:33] <Lns> np
[18:33] <Suhadi> I just tried to set up a server on a VM
[18:33] <Suhadi> and wanted to install all the edubuntu stuff
[18:34] <Lns> Suhadi: well Edubuntu != LTSP
[18:34] <Lns> (not anymore)
[18:34] <Suhadi> yeah i installed LTSP from alternate CD and than Edubuntu
[18:34] <Lns> ah
[18:35] <Suhadi> but it didnt install all the teacher stuff like student-control-üanel
[18:35] <Suhadi> is that normal?
[18:35] <Suhadi> panel not üanel ^^
[18:45] <Lns> Suhadi: student control panel is VERY old and unstable
[18:45] <Lns> I am actually working with others to bring it to a stable state..should be happening soon. BTW it's now called "Thin Client Manager".. check out http://logicalnetworking.net/wiki/doku.php#projectthin_client_manager_tcm
[18:47] <Suhadi> yeah i installed it, but y doesnt edubuntu istalled this stuff? So there is no student controlling
[18:47] <Suhadi> So this is only a desktop version of edubuntu or am i wrong?
[18:48] <Lns> Suhadi: it wouldn't be of much use because the code is broken
[18:48] <Suhadi> yeah or an alternative...
[18:48] <Lns> there is no alternative yet :)
[18:48] <Suhadi> this is not good :D
[18:48] <Lns> but there are 2 major programs being worked on that will be ready soon (within a month or two maybe)
[18:48] <Lns> Suhadi: well you can try iTalc
[18:49] <Lns> I heard some people have gotten that working
[18:49] <Lns> check the wiki link i sent you
[18:49] <Suhadi> okay i will do because this edubuntu stuff is very interesting
[18:52] <Lns> Suhadi: cool, glad to see you like it =) come back here, there's usually someone here or in #ltsp if you need thin client help to help you out
[18:54] <Suhadi> Yeah, it makes me a sad panda, when i see that only few school (and companies) use OS like edubuntu
[19:28] <highvoltage> sbalneav: am now
[19:28] <sbalneav> Cool.
[19:29] <sbalneav> OK
[19:29] <sbalneav> So, sabayon
[19:29] <sbalneav> I'm going to try tonight to get a karmic build in my ppa
[19:29] <sbalneav> Once it's there, what needs to happen to get it pushed up to main for feature freeze on Thursday?
[19:34] <ogra> just give it to me
[19:34] <ogra> but its important that you use the existing karmic package as a base
[19:35] <ogra> and just replace the tarball, if there are ubuntu specific changes, you need to merge them properly
[19:35] <ogra> so read the changelog
[19:36] <sbalneav> ok
[19:37] <ogra> sbalneav, looking at the last two uploads that should be straightforward, there were no ubuntu changes
[19:38] <ogra> both packages had -0ubuntu1 versions
[19:48] <sbalneav> ok, so should I produce a 2.27.91-0ubuntu2~ppa2 based off the 2.27.0-0ubuntu1 in karmic?
[19:49] <Lns> ogra to the rescue =)
[20:12] <highvoltage> ogra: would you be able to give me a testimonial for my MOTU application? stgraber said I should go for it.
[21:19] <ogra> sbalneav, right, just add your new tarball, if you do additional changes or patches, mention them
[21:23] <sbalneav> k
[21:27] <Lns> stgraber: ping? Do you have any update for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069 re: hardy sru?
[21:34] <ace_suares> Hi
[21:35] <ace_suares> I *was* reading the irclogs fellows :-) not much happened except for the last week or so, with sabayon and italc stuff.
[21:35] <ace_suares> I am just dormant till friday
[21:35] <ace_suares> I want that meeting so badly :-)0
[21:50] <stgraber> Lns: not really, seems to be stuck somewhere in the SRU process
[21:50] <Lns> stgraber: :(
[22:00] <sbalneav> ace_suares: Well, glad to see you're back.  We were thinking you'd floated away :)
[22:02] <sbalneav> ace_suares: Best is to stay idle in the channel.  What irc client do you use?
[22:03] <Lns> ace_suares: ! =)
[22:03] <nubae_> stgraber! been looking for u for a while now... I've installed ltsp-cluster under karmic
[22:03] <nubae_> but there was a problem with the loadbalancer
[22:04] <nubae_> cant remember what it was off the top of my head now though, it was a while ago, I wrote u an email or a couple about it
[22:09] <stgraber> I know the loadbalancer is broken
[22:09] <stgraber> my goal before FF is to have everything in Ubuntu, I'll fix that soon
[22:10] <ace_suares> hi all, sbalneav yourself was far away for a long while... but happy to see you back
[22:10] <ace_suares> thx for all the welcoming words :-)
[22:10] <ace_suares> Lns hi
[22:10] <sbalneav> I was away for a few months.  But people were notified :)
[22:10] <ace_suares> Can't stay on IRC all the time, need to reboot the computer every time :-)
[22:11] <sbalneav> Which IRC client do you uuse?
[22:12] <ace_suares> sbalneav: whatever thing comes with ubuntu. It's ugly and brown :-)
[22:12] <sbalneav> Use irssi
[22:12] <sbalneav> Then you can run it under screen.
[22:13] <sbalneav> it's text-based, but that's what makes it useful.
[22:13] <Lns> hehe
[22:13] <Lns> sbalneav: lol
[22:13] <sbalneav> so you can "screen irssi", do your chatting
[22:13] <sbalneav> control-a d to detach
[22:13] <Lns> yanqui uses erc (emacs irc client)
[22:14] <sbalneav> then if you're somewhere else, but can ssh into your main box, you can just screen -r to resume.
[22:14] <ace_suares> screen? isn't that that thing that keeps all your sessions open and then someone hijakcs it and they are in all your servers?
[22:14] <Lns> I like Xchat just because i'm not always on the shell...damn clients have me doing all sorts of normal person stuff all the time
[22:14] <Lns> ace_suares: screen is a beautiful thing :)
[22:14] <sbalneav> yeah, any text based irc client will work well for that.
[22:14] <sbalneav> ace_suares: wha?
[22:15] <ace_suares> just kiddin around
[22:15] <ace_suares> got stuff to do
[22:15] <sbalneav> Don't we all.
[22:16] <ace_suares> will be at the meeting, I calculated that it is 13:00 GMT-4 (EST). I hope that is correct
[22:16] <ace_suares> I need input on the wiki to do more work, and i have been idling all that time, well, doning other stuff.
[22:17] <ace_suares> Now off to the beach> Did anyone hear about curacao treasure hunt?
[22:17] <ace_suares> Someone just won 500.000 USD last night I saw her win it was very interesting.
[22:17] <ace_suares> bye for now!
[22:18] <Lns> wow
[22:18]  * Lns would like $500k plsthxkbye
[22:56] <Ahmuck-Sr> hey ho, how is edubuntu today?
[23:03] <sbalneav> Still kicking


[06:04] <Noskcaj> Where is howard? he said he'd be back on the 14th
[08:25] <smartboyhw> Hey Noskcaj:;P
[08:26] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, you're finally back.
[08:26] <Noskcaj> how are you?
[08:26] <smartboyhw> Great
[08:27] <Noskcaj> a month of exams?
[08:29] <elfy> morning
[09:53] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, are you going to get a membership certificate? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: I'm not sure my parents will want to receive a mail with that…
[09:59] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, why not?
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: I want an electronic copy rather actually:P
[10:00] <Noskcaj> i'd rather paper, but anything is good. btw, look at https://noskcaj10.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/the-ubuntu-pc-case-mod-pt-2-pick-a-case/
[10:01] <Noskcaj> how'd your exams go?
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: I know. Why did those guys critizize you on OMG!Ubuntu.
[10:02] <smartboyhw> ?
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: OK.
[10:03] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, good to hear. and i have no idea why.
[10:03] <Noskcaj> In australia we don't really have exams, just a teacher's report on how well you did
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: damnit.
[10:04] <Noskcaj> lol
[10:05] <Noskcaj> also, our teachers try to give us a "C" no matter how well you do
[10:06] <smartboyhw> lol