[10:50] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: catfish 1.4.6 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-catfish-1-4-6-released-tp51387.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[11:00] <Spass> "Remember window size and position between sessions" thanks bluesabre :)
[11:01] <Spass> I always had to make the window slightly bigger when opening Catfish, it was too small
[11:06] <bluesabre> Spass: sure thing!
[11:09] <Unit193> 776798 sounds fun.  Also, but we were in sync. :(
[11:09] <Unit193> Debian 902378
[11:11] <bluesabre> why are they running 0.3.1 in sid? :D
[11:12] <bluesabre> I'll take care of that today, most likely
[11:12] <bluesabre> got a new catfish to package up after all
[11:14] <Unit193> \o/
[11:14] <Unit193> you in pkg-xfce yet, btw?
[11:18] <bluesabre> I think so
[11:44] <Spass> knome, that UnixStickers form of donation is no longer available, right? https://xubuntu.org/donations/
[11:45] <knome> true.
[11:46] <knome> page updated, thanks
[11:47] <Spass> np, too bad, those stickers were pretty cool
[11:47] <knome> and relatively affordable, but yeah
[11:56] <bluesabre> Unit193: you around?
[11:56] <Unit193> Not sure mentally?
[11:56] <bluesabre> :
[11:56] <bluesabre> D
[11:57] <bluesabre> How do I update pristine-tar after debian/master and upstream have been updated?
[11:57] <Unit193> pristine-tar commit ../catfish_8382894.9494021.orig.tar.zst
[11:59] <bluesabre> assuming there is no zst file floating around...
[11:59] <Unit193> zst is a compression thingy, s/zst/gz/
[11:59] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[12:00] <Unit193> zstandard vs gzip, perhaps not a usual example.
[12:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, think I got it
[12:03] <bluesabre> the length of those numbers made me thing they were commit refs :D
[12:05] <Unit193> OOoooooh, I was just bashing thingys.
[12:06] <Unit193> I'm not sure if the version of pristine-tar/tar in bionic is good though.
[12:06] <bluesabre> seems like it worked, https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/applications/catfish/commits/pristine-tar


[15:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the last -controls commit is a no op
[15:54] <OvenWerks> but it reminds me where to next
[15:55] <OvenWerks> I have sort of given up on the drawing tablet part of things for now.
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I see, but you should probably bump the version number.
[15:56] <OvenWerks> I think auto builds will be bad if we do that
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> RE: tablet, makes sense. eylul- might be re-joining in the summer, and if she does, then that might help with the tablet part.
[15:56] <OvenWerks> IE if I bump the version, then auto builds will be ahead of next release and next release will not get chosen over autobuild
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> True, but the auto builds aren't working right now due to the compat/debhelper versions.
[15:57] <OvenWerks>  :)
[15:58] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I need to get my boys up
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> But, yes, for now we need to keep the autobuilds frozen anyhow.
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> Sounds good. I'm taking care of an ailing wife. Flu got her for the first time in idk how long.
[16:55] <OvenWerks> I think for 19.04 I will go Studio on top of kubuntu. While not obvious, I think it will make drawing tablet work easier.
[16:56] <OvenWerks> kubuntu comes with a tablet set utility and so I would be able to run them side by side and see what a GUI should look like.
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> I have just about every single DE installed simultaneously, but that's because I'm experimental like that, and my computer seems to like Gnome the best, in terms of wake-from-sleep. But, that's because I'm on a laptop.
[20:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: In my case, my computer will have to deal withever works best for me... that has the best work flow. For me, using Gnome makes me do the most work to get done what I want. Even after setting things up the best I can. xfce and plasma seem to work best for me. Plasma may end up better than xfce after I use it a bit.
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I guess I'm just versatile. I'm no longer a distrohopper, but definitely a DE hopper. Have them all installed simultaneously with my ~/.profile file configured to do whatever changes necessary to switch between DE's.
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am a bit "off" today. We had dinner with some friends Friday and he started choking on blood as we go to the parking lot. He had stopped breathing by the time we got to the hospital but was revived. I found out today that he died yesterday morning... so I am a bit grumpy.
[20:43] <OvenWerks> (sad, grieving, whatever)
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, so sorry to hear that. Let me know if you need anything. We're in our own little freeze at the moment, so take your time, don't worry about Ubuntu Studio.
[20:48] <OvenWerks> I prolly won't do much for this release (I think everything is pretty good so far) but I may work on future stuff to keep my mind busy.
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> I honestly think we're good for this release. I'm just battling getting Carla out of the NEW queue. FalkTX coordinated with me and released 2.0 today. I have the patches ready to go, I just need Carla in disco-proposed.
 Congratulations Erich and Ross on getting upload priviledes!  I know it's a little delayed.  Keep up the fantastic work you are doing.
 @Duke [Congratulations Erich and Ross on getting upload priviledes!  I know it's a litt …], Thanks, Duke! Ross isn't normally in IRC (or even Telegram, for that matter), but I'll pass it along. :)


[00:18] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 527 * debian/ (changelog kdm.install) remove stripes.png from kdm.install again since the patch removes it.
[07:21] <dpm> good morning apachelogger, whenever you've got a minute, may I ask you to check that these template changes make sense? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/648025/ - it's the last batch of changes, and after they've been applied KDE Oneiric templates should then be ok in Launchpad
[07:32] <bambee> morning
[08:24] <apachelogger> can't we like remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nepomukcontroller ?
[08:26] <apachelogger> well then
[08:28] <apachelogger> dpm: good morning... nepomuk template was split according to kde rev 1196093 , nepomukcontroller moved from own source to kde-runtime as per http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kde-runtime.git&a=commit&h=c8ead9258cb7ccfb96f1557089e64d7f310f0044 , consequently the new templates in runtime are good and the old ones can be dumped , qedjescripts was renamed in kde rev 993559 , solid-powermanagement was removed in kde rev 1202120
[08:54] <valorie> !info amarok
[08:55] <valorie> hmmm, how do I find out about the beta?
[08:55] <valorie> is it packaged?
[08:55] <valorie> or jsut a tarball
[09:12] <emonkey> valorie, maybe with project neon if its still exists
[09:13] <valorie> I don't think they ever got amarok building within the neon environment
[09:13] <valorie> but i'll ask
[09:13] <emonkey> ask apachelogger, he's in this channel
[09:14] <valorie> I looked through the ppas, and don't see the beta
[09:14] <valorie> so I don't think it was packaged
[09:14] <valorie> that's fine, there is a tarball
[09:41] <debfx> apachelogger: I've already filed a removal request for all packages that have been dropped in the kde 4.7 migration
[09:42] <debfx> the real challenge though is getting the archive admins to actually process those requests
[11:00] <dpm> thanks a lot apachelogger. There is one I'm not sure about: what was qedjescripts renamed to in kde rev 993559 ?
[12:03] <debfx> ScottK, shadeslayer: I've uploaded gwenview
[12:04] <debfx> shadeslayer: any news on the kate licensing situation?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: debfx still waiting on upstream on whether or not we can remove the file, apart from that the author did agree to license it under GPL 2 or LGPL 2 ...
[13:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If the author agreed to appropriate licensing, document that agreement (copy/paste the email) in debian/copyright and upload.
[13:27] <shadeslayer> whoa, the entire email? :O
[13:30] <ScottK> You can trim excess not necessary for context.
[13:35] <shadeslayer> or i could just add the license in the git repo till someone tells me whether or not i can remove that file
[13:48] <ScottK> Come on.  It's copy/paste/done.  How hard is that?
[14:17] <debfx> didrocks: I've finally uploaded qtwebkit 2.2 :D
[14:18] <didrocks> debfx: fun that you are telling that exactly 20s I made an apt-cache policy to see if I missed something :-)
[14:18] <debfx> heh
[14:18] <didrocks> (and when I'm telling 20s, it *was* 20s :))
[14:19] <didrocks> debfx: so, now I can merge qtcreator
[14:20] <didrocks> (I think qmlpuppet bin is missing in fabo's package) to make the qml designer working)
[14:20] <debfx> didrocks: yep, well you can just sync the package and add your changes on top of that
[14:21] <didrocks> sure
[14:22] <debfx> didrocks: looks like we need a patch to cope with some qreal/float fun: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=qtcreator&arch=armel&ver=2.2.1-1&stamp=1309124335
[14:24] <didrocks> debfx: oh "nice" do we have standard patch for that on qt? (I guess you already played with that)
[14:30] <debfx> there is no standard patch. you need to either define the variable as double instead of qreal or add type casts
[14:33] <debfx> ok in this case we need to s/double/qreal/
[14:34] <didrocks> debfx: hum, why not casting?
[14:36] <debfx> didrocks: the class works with QRectF, QLineF, .. which use qreal
[14:36] <debfx> so you'd have to cast qreal -> double -> qreal
[14:37] <didrocks> in verticalSnappedLines for instance, indeed
[14:39] <didrocks> debfx: are you doing it? do you want me to do it?
[14:45] <debfx> didrocks: I'm hoping it's a simple s/double/qreal/g :)  can you test build it on armel?
[14:45] <didrocks> debfx: not really unfortunatly. I don't have a suiting ppa with armel hw
[14:47] <debfx> ScottK: have you powered down your arm machines?
[14:47] <ScottK> debfx: No, but I did have a power outage.  I forgot to turn them back on.
[14:47] <ScottK> I'm not at home now, I'll bring them back up this afternoon.
[14:48] <debfx> ok, thanks
[14:52] <debfx> danimo: the qtcreator qmldesigner plugin doesn't build on arm because the code assumes qreal==double
[14:52] <debfx> danimo: do you think replacing double with qreal in the variable definitions is the right approach?
[15:26] <didrocks> debfx: there are other files using them as well in the same plugin, not sure how much we have to replace
[16:09] <debfx> didrocks: um indeed, that's quite bad :(
[16:39] <debfx> shadeslayer: could you add that mail about kate licensing to debian/copyright or forward the mail to me?
[16:41] <debfx> oh whatever, I'll just drop that file from the tarball
[16:41] <debfx> ScottK: which one was it again?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> debfx: part/syntax/data/find-trivial-regexpr.sh
[16:47] <debfx> hm there are a bunch of other scripts that don't have a license header as well
[17:50] <debfx> ScottK: are there any other licensing issue in kate besides these shell scripts?
[17:50] <ScottK> Not that I noticed.
[18:16] <debfx> ScottK: I've reuploaded kate, all remaining kde 4.7 packages (except some bindings) are now in New
[18:30] <Quintasan_> :/
[18:30] <Quintasan_> Looks like I'm out of luck when it comes to hardware
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what happened?
[18:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: magic memory
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:38] <Quintasan> No idea what's exactly going on but I can't turn on my computer once I turn it off
[18:38]  * shadeslayer got some new hardware today
[18:38] <Quintasan> and the default action in Win7 is to shutdown
[18:38] <Quintasan> :/
[18:39] <shadeslayer> change the default option in Win7 to reboot the machine?
[18:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: your new notebook hopefully?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yus :D
[18:39] <yofel> :DD
[18:40] <shadeslayer> preparing to put Koo-boon-too on it
[18:40] <yofel> apachelogger: ^
[18:40] <danimo> debfx: sorry, didn't see your comment
[18:40] <danimo> debfx: qmldesigner plugin on arm?
[18:40] <danimo> debfx: interesting usecase :)
[18:41] <shadeslayer> seems like the EFI bootloader does not want to boot my ISO, converting into a img now
[18:41] <danimo> debfx: can you paste the compile error somewhere?
[18:42] <debfx> danimo: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=qtcreator&arch=armel&ver=2.2.1-1&stamp=1309124335
[18:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: fun fact, you cannot maximize apps in OS X
[18:42] <danimo> debfx: interesting, debian still doesn't use a cacert certificate... :/
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Qt apps work like they're supposed to tho
[18:42] <yofel> never noticed that when trying it out in the shops...
[18:42] <apachelogger> danimo: ah yeah, simple confusiong WRT qreal != double on ARM
[18:43] <apachelogger> the most common ARM incompatiblity btw ^^
[18:43] <danimo> apachelogger: I wonder if this is the only place though
[18:44] <danimo> debfx: are you trying to build the 2.3 beta?
[18:44] <debfx> danimo: no, 2.2.1
[18:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It's the "Multitasking? What's that?" feature from iPhone
[18:45] <danimo> debfx: 2.3 has a completely different codebase in that regard
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: lol
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: Happy Birthday!!!
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Lion supposedly has that feature
[18:45] <danimo> debfx: you can try a patch that uses qreal instead of double (no idea if that still really works then, but it might)
[18:46] <Quintasan> It's Nightrose's b-day?
[18:46]  * danimo switched from unity to KDE btw
[18:46] <Quintasan> kubotu: cookies for Nightrose
[18:46] <Quintasan> derp
[18:46] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for Nightrose
[18:46]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Nightrose.
[18:46] <shadeslayer> no no no
[18:46] <danimo> unity is way to unpredictable
[18:46] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order birthday cake for Nightrose
[18:46]  * kubotu slides birthday cake down the bar to Nightrose
[18:47] <shadeslayer> isn't there a birthday cake key word there apachelogger?
[18:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for Nicke
[18:47]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[18:47]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Nicke and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[18:47] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Nicke, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[18:47] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Nicke :D
[18:47] <kubotu> To your health!
[18:47] <apachelogger> G
[18:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for Nightrose
[18:47]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[18:47]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Nightrose and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[18:47] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Nightrose, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[18:47] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Nightrose :D
[18:47] <kubotu> To your health!
[18:47] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:47]  * apachelogger hugs and kizzes the Nightrose and goes for a cig before he breaks yet another keyboard over not working stuff
[18:48] <shadeslayer> arf ... disk I/O on this USB is sloowwww
[18:48] <yofel> Nightrose: happy brithday :)
[18:49] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: thx :)
[18:49] <Nightrose> Quintasan: thx! nomnomnom :D
[18:49]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[18:50] <shadeslayer> poor kubotu, he did all the work and apachelogger gets the hugs
[18:50] <debfx> danimo: are you sure that it's a different codebase? there are no changes in snapper.cpp
[18:50]  * Nightrose hugs kubotu too
[18:50] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: ^ :P
[18:50] <danimo> debfx: maybe not, but lots of stuff moved into a puppet process
[18:51] <Nightrose> yofel: thx :)
[18:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:51] <danimo> debfx: (a physically different application remote controlled by creator)
[18:51] <danimo> hey Nightrose, happy birthday
[18:51] <Nightrose> thx :)
[18:59] <debfx> danimo: this sounds like a lot of work, so maybe we'll just disable the qmldesigner on arm
[18:59] <debfx> I just hope the qreal mess is going to be fixed in Qt 5
[18:59] <danimo> debfx: might be the best for now
[19:00] <danimo> debfx: please also open a bug report
[19:00] <danimo> debfx: what mess?
[19:00] <danimo> debfx: people who want portable code should use qreal, excactly because you want max precision but some archs cannot deliver on it
[19:00] <danimo> debfx: the code at hand assumes that all platforms it will ever run on have double
[19:01] <danimo> debfx: (again, which arm hardware is there that people want to run creator on? tablets?)
[19:09] <debfx> danimo: the problem is that you don't notice these qreal==double mistakes when you don't build the code on arm
[19:11]  * micahg would humbly suggest fixing the assumptions
[19:37] <ScottK> debfx: arm boxen are up now.
[19:49] <apachelogger> danimo: the only reason qreal is float on ARM is because way back float was much faster than double, whether that still is the case with VFP and other mumbo jumbo is questionable ... I do agree on the qreal for protability though ^^
[19:52] <danimo> apachelogger: I discussed it with a collegue, float is still faster by a few clock cycles I think, depending on the operation
[19:52] <danimo> apachelogger: it also depends on the arm designs we are talking
[19:53] <danimo> apachelogger: which in turn depends on the type of device
[19:53] <danimo> apachelogger: which brings me back to the original question: "which arm powered device would run Creator"
[19:53] <apachelogger> right
[19:53]  * danimo strictly assumes that "Netbooks" are pretty much dead
[19:53] <apachelogger> pandaboard
[19:54]  * apachelogger could totally imagine himself doing development on there
[19:54] <danimo> apachelogger: with gcc?
[19:54] <danimo> hmmm
[19:54] <apachelogger> not that it is ever going to happen
[19:55] <apachelogger> danimo: right now I think it is rather unimportant to have creator build on arm, taking aside ARM devboards I cannot imagine an actual device where one would want to run creator on
[19:56] <danimo> exactly :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> might change in the future with the rise of arm for everydevice and my toaster ^^
[19:56] <danimo> still i wouldn't mind a bug report for that problem
[19:56] <danimo> apachelogger: I totally think ARM has a bright future
[19:56] <danimo> especially with Windows 8, as sad as that might sound
[20:37] <debfx> danimo: I've opened a bug report about the issue: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-5547
[20:42] <debfx> ScottK: thanks. any chance you have time to review the packages in New? 4.7 final is about to be tagged
[20:42] <ScottK> debfx: I should be able to do it in the next few hours.
[20:50] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge branch lp:~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2 and bump build-dep on kde-sc-dev-latest
[20:54] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers] Philip Muškovac * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge branch lp:~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers
[21:11] <debfx> afiestas: could you please have a look at https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101642/ ?
[21:12] <afiestas> debfx: it seems ok, ship it
[21:15] <debfx> afiestas: cool, where should I commit it, master or unstable?
[21:16] <afiestas> master and CC'
[21:16] <afiestas> CC'd ereslibre with it
[21:16] <afiestas> (he is the maintainer of libbluedevil actually)
[21:21] <debfx> ok
[21:23] <ScottK> afiestas: One of my daughters is taking a foreign language course over the summer and she has regular assignments to turn in where she has to turn in a video of her speaking the language.  She's very happy using Kamoso to do it.  Thanks.
[21:25] <afiestas> ScottK: glad to know that it is working well
[21:25] <afiestas> I usually only work in Kamoso when I'm on vacation and since I'm spending all vacations on floss events... I don't have time for Kamoso xD
[21:26] <ScottK> It's that with plasma-netbook on my dell mini 10v.
[21:26] <afiestas> but at least it covers the basics now :p
[21:26] <ScottK> It does.
[21:26] <afiestas> (and it does it without crashing)
[21:26] <ScottK> I'm glad I did the backport of 2.0 to natty now.
[21:27] <afiestas> in theory, 3.0 will be even more rock solid since we will use higher level gstreamer api (camerabin2) but that will have to wait
[21:27] <ScottK> Note: The kate I just rejected is the old one.
[21:32] <ScottK> kdegraphics-mobipocket source accepted.
[21:37] <ScottK> svgpart source accepted.
[21:41] <ScottK> debfx: On kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer, explain to me how it is that raw/parse.c is distributable?
[21:41] <ScottK> It also makes me wonder if our dcraw.c is distributable.
[21:45] <ScottK> Actually maybe it's OK
[21:45] <debfx> ScottK: my assumption was that dcraw is in main -> passed NEW at some point (that's a rather weak assumption, I'll admit)
[21:45] <ScottK> Let me look at it again.
[21:45] <debfx> the copyright file basically says that some parts are under the GPL but fails to mention the license of the rest
[21:46] <ScottK> But does say you can distribute/modify them.
[21:47] <ScottK> The part you didn't copy over says:
[21:47] <ScottK>    The functions that process Foveon images have been RESTRICTED
[21:47] <ScottK>    since Revision 1.237.  All other code remains free for all uses.
[21:47] <ScottK>    *If you have not modified dcraw.c in any way, a link to my
[21:47] <ScottK>    homepage qualifies as "full source code".
[21:47] <ScottK> "All other code remains free for all uses." is the license for the rest.
[21:47] <debfx> where is that from?
[21:48] <ScottK> from dcraw.c in dcraw
[21:48] <debfx> ah, I've only looked at the copyright file
[21:48] <debfx> which doesn't include that part
[21:49] <ScottK> So, if you can include that part in your debian/copyright, I think kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer is OK
[21:51] <ScottK> I'll reject the one that's there now
[21:51] <debfx> ScottK: why do you think the license of dcraw.c applies to parse.c as well?
[21:52] <ScottK> Because it says "Based on parse.c and parts of dcraw.c by Dave Coffin"
[21:52] <debfx> oh in parse.c it also says "It is free for all uses."
[21:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:54] <debfx> so since that version doesn't seem to contain any GPL code yet, I'll just add "Free for all uses." as license?
[21:55] <ScottK> Are you sure?
[21:55] <ScottK> I'd just copy all the licensing information over.
[21:59] <debfx> ok, might be worth filing a bug against the dcraw package to get that copyright file improved
[22:00] <ScottK> Agreed.
[22:00]  * ScottK is on to gwenview now.
[22:01] <ScottK> gwenview source accepted.
[22:03] <ScottK> debfx: Did you file bugs/communicate with upstream on the licensing concerns on the files you dropped from kate?
[22:04] <ScottK> README.Debian can be removed from kate
[22:05] <ScottK> kate source accepted.
[22:06] <debfx> ScottK: no, shadeslayer was doing that
[22:06] <ScottK> OK.
[22:07] <debfx> there is a lot of stuff in kate that doesn't have an explicit license or copyright information so I'm not sure that's a battle we can win
[22:07] <ScottK> kdegraphics-strigi whatsit source accepted.
[22:07] <ScottK> Perhaps, but we should at least tell them.
[22:08] <ScottK> Then send Riddell after them.  He's pretty effective at getting licensing stuff in KDE cleaned up.
[22:10] <ScottK> kdegraphics-mobipocket binaries accepted.
[22:12] <ScottK> svgpart binaries accepted.
[22:13] <debfx> it's pretty hard to enforce that. I'm sure the minority of projects have licensed all their images and .ui files properly
[22:17] <ScottK> Yes, but it's worth working towards.
[22:20] <debfx> agreed, but we are less than understaffed this cycle
[22:20] <debfx> that reminds me
[22:20] <Riddell> what's up?
[22:21] <debfx> yofel: how is your kubuntu-dev application progressing?
[22:24] <debfx> Riddell: there are a bunch of files in the kate repository that are lacking license and/or copyright information (e.g. *.sh, part/tests/hl/*)
[22:24] <Riddell> is there a global copyright file?
[22:26] <debfx> there is a AUTHORS file
[22:27] <Riddell> there's a COPYING.LIB file
[22:27] <Riddell> so that should be fine, files would be under that licence unless otherwise stated
[22:31] <debfx> Riddell: it's not obvious to me that the license applies to every file just by putting it into the root directory
[22:32] <Riddell> it's a safe assumption
[22:35] <yofel> debfx: I've got exams coming up so I've spent time on that so I can keep myself some free time for 4.7.0 once it's tagged and forgot about the application in the process :/ Need to finish the wiki page
[22:35] <ScottK> kdegraphics-strigianalyzer binaries accepted.
[22:35] <yofel> Riddell: and what are you supposed to assume if you've got COPYING _and_ COPYING.LIB, it doesn't matter? (I doubt that)
[22:36] <Riddell> COPYING would take precidence since that's the more general one by name
[22:37] <yofel> well, fun thing is smoke, smokeqt for example had no licensing at all, now it got both files added and svuorela say the authors say it's all LGPL. (btw. there's still not a single copyright statement in the package)
[22:39] <debfx> yofel: if you hurry you can even upload 4.7.0 yourself :)
[22:39] <debfx> since I won't do that (already spent way too much time on 4.6.90)
[22:40] <yofel> heh, I first need to remember what to put on that page... I've done pretty much only packaging here, other time was spent on getting neon to work and doing some testing...
[22:56] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 365 * debian/ (changelog control) Make kdelibs5-plugins depend on katepart for transitional reasons and fix the changelog entry
[23:13] <ScottK> gwenview binaries accepted.
[23:26] <yofel> reminder: we have kdevelop 4.2.3 packages for natty and oneiric in ninjas that need testing
[23:44] <ScottK> kate binaries accepted.
[23:58] <ScottK> debfx: I think I've processed everything through New now.


[01:34] <arcadia> Hello?
[02:09] <b35u> hi all -- anyone familiar with ubuntu installs in virtualbox?
[13:03] <asddda> hi, i have 2x httpd.conf file and 2x ports.conf and it says cant open password from httpd
[13:04] <asddda> what shoud i do
[13:04] <tomahawks> could the problem be that those are 2x ?
[14:36] <XSevenX> hello
[14:38] <XSevenX> I just installed Ubuntu yesterday, and struggled to understand anything about what I was doing
[14:38] <XSevenX> I've finally gotten upgraded to 12.04, and now I don't have any clue what I'm doing
[14:39] <XSevenX> I have never used a Linux/Unix based system, and I don't understand using all the commands in the terminal
[14:39] <XSevenX> It seems as though every time I think I'm getting somewhere, I just figure out that I need to do 20 or 30 more things in order to get to where I need to be
[14:40] <XSevenX> I've tried using application repositories (?), and going through the software center, attempting to install different applications, and I don't even know how to install Ubuntu onto my hard drive.
[14:41] <XSevenX> I purchased all of the parts to build a brand new system about a week ago, and didn't have $150+ to buy Windows, and I refused to use Vista ever again
[14:42] <XSevenX> so I planned to use Ubuntu 12.04, had burned it to a DVD-RW, but then later found out that my DVD-RW doesn't want to read the disc that I burned the OS to anymore
[14:42] <XSevenX> So a friend gave me a copy of 9.04 on a CD, and I've upgraded from there, and placed the installation of Ubuntu on a USB flash drive
[14:42] <XSevenX> I have no clue how to do a full installation onto my HDD (because I think that may be giving me some of my issues) and this is becoming very frustrating that I can't just get to where I want to go
[14:43] <XSevenX> The only thing I intended to use this PC for was gaming
[14:44] <XSevenX> It became very obvious that I didn't do nearly enough research prior to this, and I had no idea that this OS would be so cumbersome, and frustrating to navigate. I mean, I have to tell it to save a place for an application to be downloaded, and then manually execute the download from the selected destination, and then manually tell the system how to install the program?
[14:51] <XSevenX> this is where I listed everything I was having problems with the first time
[14:51] <XSevenX> I'm at a complete loss
[14:52] <cortman> OK
[14:52] <cortman> IRC takes patience
[14:52] <cortman> So you're unable to install from the flash drive?
[14:52] <XSevenX> I don't know how to even go about it
[14:52] <cortman> It has 12.04 on the flash drive?
[14:52] <XSevenX> it's running the OS from the flash drive right now
[14:52] <XSevenX> I have verified this by shutting down, and removing the USB drive- it then was unable to boot or find "GRUB" or whatever it's called
[14:53] <XSevenX> as far as I know the HDD is currently completely empty
[14:53] <XSevenX> I had previously had 9.04 fully installed on the HDD though, and then it cleared the HDD, and installed the OS onto the flash drive
[14:53] <cortman> Don't you get a splash screen at startup that says "Install Ubuntu" or "Try Ubuntu"?
[14:53] <XSevenX> no
[14:53] <XSevenX> it boots straight into Ubuntu
[14:54] <XSevenX> I don't know anything about partitions, except that I once had to delete one when I was removing Windows 98 to install Windows XP about 12 years ago
[14:54] <cortman> how did you install the OS on the flash drive?
[14:54] <XSevenX> when I upgraded from 9.04, it asked if I wanted to upgrade it onto the HDD, or the flash drive
[14:55] <XSevenX> but I didn't understand how it would upgrade from the HDD, if it had to clear the HDD to upgrade in the first place
[14:57] <XSevenX> before upgrading from 9.04
[14:57] <cortman> Do you still have an Ubuntu 12.04 ISO image?
[14:57] <XSevenX> yes
[14:57] <XSevenX> I had wanted to do a direct upgrade to 12.04
[14:57] <XSevenX> on a clean partition
[14:57] <XSevenX> but I didn't understand how to get my HDD ready
[14:57] <XSevenX> and I wasn't sure if it was reading my USB drive properly at the time
[14:58] <cortman> What you need is *bootable* media
[14:58] <cortman> That means a flash drive, a dvd, a cd, one of those
[14:58] <XSevenX> I have a flash drive
[14:58] <cortman> Your existing flash drive just has an installation on it apparently
[14:58] <cortman> You need to burn the ISO image to one of those
[14:58] <XSevenX> I have the 12.04 ISO
[14:58] <XSevenX> and I unpacked it onto the USB drive
[14:59] <XSevenX> but when I tried to assign the device to boot first from BIOS
[14:59] <XSevenX> I got an error message
[14:59] <XSevenX> it would then just continue to boot to 9.04
[14:59] <cortman> If you don't get an option to install ubuntu anywhere, you have not created bootable media.
[15:00] <cortman> Have you searched in the dash for "Install"?
[15:00] <XSevenX> no
[15:01] <XSevenX> there is just a folder called Install
[15:01] <XSevenX> which has one file called mt86plus inside of it
[15:02] <cortman> And you have no working system on the computer HDD itself?
[15:02] <XSevenX> I assume that I don't
[15:03] <XSevenX> I don't even know how to check if I would or not
[15:03] <cortman> pull out all removable media and boot up the computer?
[15:03] <XSevenX> that's what I tried before and it wouldn't boot up
[15:03] <XSevenX> I'll brb
[15:06] <XSevenX> There is no bootable media on the HDD
[15:06] <XSevenX> without the USB drive it cannot boot at all
[15:06] <cortman> No, you mean there is no installed system on the HDD
[15:07] <cortman> Do you have another flash drive?
[15:07] <XSevenX> no
[15:08] <cortman> A CD-R?
[15:08] <XSevenX> no
[15:08]  * cortman sighs
[15:09] <XSevenX> I am likely just going to delete everything off of the flash drive, and then put a fresh 12.04 installation on it and go from there
[15:10] <XSevenX> but if that doesn't fix all the errors I'm having, then I'm still at a loss
[15:10] <cortman> how are you going to do that if you have no system on the computer? Do you have a second computer?
[15:10] <XSevenX> I have four computers
[15:10] <cortman> Running windows?
[15:10] <XSevenX> yes
[15:10] <XSevenX> Windows 7, and XP
[15:10] <cortman> oh
[15:10] <cortman> it becomes easy then
[15:11] <XSevenX> I wasn't about to pay $150 for another license, and XP 64-bit is over $200..
[15:11] <cortman> here's what you need to do
[15:11] <cortman> Download Linux Live USB Creator- http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[15:11] <cortman> It's a fantastic piece of software
[15:11] <cortman> use it to burn the ISO image to the flash drive
[15:11] <cortman> That will create a bootable flash drive
[15:12] <XSevenX> Okay, because what I was trying obviously wasn't working
[15:12] <cortman> From which installing Ubuntu will be simply clicking the button that says "Install Ubuntu"
[15:12] <XSevenX> I tried to make a bootable flash drive in the same way you'd make a bootable CD/DVD
[15:12] <cortman> Yes
[15:12] <XSevenX> my next problem is with applications
[15:12] <cortman> Yeah that won't work. Use LiLi.
[15:12] <XSevenX> I think if I can get past that I'll know what I'm doing from there
[15:13] <cortman> applications?
[15:13] <XSevenX> I tried to go to the Adobe website and download (and install) Flash player updates
[15:13] <XSevenX> well that didn't work
[15:13] <XSevenX> it asks me what application to use to open it
[15:13] <cortman> No it won't
[15:13] <XSevenX> so I followed the wiki instructions regarding.. that
[15:13] <XSevenX> I went to the software center
[15:13] <XSevenX> I went into edit -> software sources
[15:13] <cortman> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[15:14] <XSevenX> yeah and I tried using the terminal commmands like that
[15:14] <XSevenX> and it gives me an error message
[15:14] <XSevenX> that it doesn't exist
[15:14] <cortman> need to run sudo apt-get update first
[15:16] <XSevenX> okay I guess it updated it now
[15:17] <cortman> Well you probably want to do that when you get the system installed if you're just going to wipe the flash drive anyway.
[15:17] <XSevenX> I just want to get a better grasp on how to install and use applications before I do anything
[15:18] <cortman> Ok sure
[15:18] <XSevenX> I've already spent 15 hours+ trying to figure out what the hell I'm doing
[15:18] <XSevenX> and the only thing I plan to use this PC for is Steam games, and League of Legends
[15:18] <cortman> no experience with steam
[15:18] <cortman> not a gamer
[15:18] <cortman> but I've heard that can be a hairball too. Read up on it
[15:18] <XSevenX> I tried to go through and install winelol and couldn't figure that out, and Wine keeps giving me error messages when I try to install it from the Software Center
[15:19] <XSevenX> I guess I thought Ubuntu would be a low-resource OS like XP, and I could get the most out of my system with it
[15:19] <XSevenX> I knew before hand that Linux had compatibility issues with Windows/.exe games
[15:20] <XSevenX> I just didn't understand it would be this bad
[15:20] <cortman> Ubuntu isn't low-resource any more
[15:20] <cortman> Lubuntu and Xubuntu are
[15:20] <cortman> or Bodhilinux
[15:20] <XSevenX> hmm
[15:20] <cortman> (which is Ubuntu based_
[15:20] <cortman> )
[15:20] <XSevenX> that's another thing that confused me
[15:20] <cortman> if it's an old computer I would NOT recommend putting straight ubuntu on it
[15:20] <cortman> I would use Lubuntu 12.10
[15:20] <XSevenX> while just looking around for answers, all I see is all of these different Linux based systems
[15:20] <cortman> It's really lightweight and IMO really, really good looking too
[15:21] <XSevenX> well this is a brand new systemm
[15:21] <cortman> Yep. Welcome to Linux
[15:21] <XSevenX> Intel i7 3.6GHz quadcore
[15:21] <XSevenX> MSI Z77 motherboard
[15:21] <XSevenX> 750W Rosewill power supply (and matching case)
[15:22] <cortman> If you have RAM to match that CPU Ubuntu should run just fine
[15:22] <XSevenX> 32GB of RAm
[15:22] <cortman> lol good grief
[15:22] <XSevenX> but I've been trying to get this PC for years
[15:22] <XSevenX> I paid $455 for everything
[15:22] <cortman> ?
[15:23] <XSevenX> because budget was a huge concern
[15:23] <XSevenX> after I realized I'd have to pay so much for Windows
[15:23] <XSevenX> I just wouldn't be able to buy the parts I wanted
[15:23] <XSevenX> I make almost exactly as much as I need from work to survive
[15:23] <XSevenX> so I don't buy anything I don't need, unless i save for it for a long time
[15:24] <cortman> Sure, just understand that Linux *is not* Windows
[15:24] <XSevenX> I understand that, I just want to do some pretty simple things and it seems to be overwhelming
[15:24] <XSevenX> I also read that in order to use ...
[15:24] <XSevenX> I can't even remember what they're called
[15:25] <XSevenX> the links you put into Software Sources to get an application
[15:25] <XSevenX> some website said that I needed a launchpad key
[15:25] <XSevenX> and some kind of signed signature
[15:25] <XSevenX> and I had to sign a contract (?) in order to use them
[15:25] <cortman> What? For what software?
[15:26] <XSevenX> for any software that I download with launchpad
[15:26] <XSevenX> or from launchpad
[15:26] <XSevenX> I don't know wtf
[15:26] <cortman> That'd be news to me
[15:26] <cortman> AFAIK you just need to add the PPA and install.
[15:27] <XSevenX> I have the PPA in for winelol, and when I tell the terminal to install, it says it doesn't exist
[15:27] <XSevenX> oh I see
[15:27] <XSevenX> after you input PPA repositories you need to run an update in the terminal?
[15:27] <XSevenX> sudo apt-get update?
[15:27] <cortman> Right, exaclty
[15:27] <cortman> *exactly
[15:27] <XSevenX> because now it's working fine
[15:28] <cortman> apt-get update updates the software source list
[15:28] <XSevenX> I assumed that because there was no "Apply" button on the software source list, that it was automatically applied as I input the data
[15:28] <XSevenX> because I had noticed that in other  features of Ubuntu, this was the case
[15:29] <XSevenX> you would think they would have this information immediately at hand when starting Ubuntu for the first time...
[15:29] <XSevenX> I don't even know where to access the help menu anymore in 12.04
[15:29] <XSevenX> and I do not like that they removed the drop-down lists that were on the taskbar in 9.04
[15:30] <holstein> i find XFCE to be most like gnome2 was, if thats what you are looking for
[15:31] <XSevenX> so the layout used in Ubuntu 9.04 was called GNOME2, and the layout/UI they have for 12.04 is...?
[15:31] <XSevenX> I knew the name of it but now I can't remember
[15:31] <holstein> well, to be more precise.. its a desktop envoronment
[15:32] <XSevenX> oh okay
[15:32] <holstein> XSevenX: gnome was what ubuntu used.. and customized
[15:32] <holstein> XSevenX: different distos using gnome2 would, and could have different implementations of gnome
[15:33] <holstein> XSevenX: cannonical is doing what it always did in this regard.. providing the most recent verion of gnome.. its just a different version from upstream
[15:33] <holstein> the upstream changes didnt line up with the direction they wanted to go in, and customizing it further, or making their own were options... so they created and developed unity
[15:34] <holstein> unity is open, and anyone else (any other distro) can have it as well...
[15:34] <holstein> unity is what it is.. and i find it faster and more useable all the time, though, i personally dont use it on my systems
[15:36] <holstein> in this regard, ubuntu is the same as it always has been as well.. its a release that can be customized in any way the end user chooses... you can install XFCE for example, which has a lot of the same look/feel that gnome2 did.. and it is GTK as well, and runs the same applications with similar look/feel
[15:36] <holstein> XSevenX: one easy way to look around and test is to use the live CD's... xubuntu, lubuntu... other distros with other alternatives... etc
[15:38] <XSevenX> well
[15:39] <XSevenX> I don't have a lot of requirements to be met, I think
[15:39] <XSevenX> I just want to be able to stream videos from sites like youtube, and hulu
[15:39] <holstein> if you want a traditional menu. then you can have one
[15:39] <holstein> if thats what you mean by "the drop down thing in the panel in 9.04".. the traditiona menu is gone
[15:39] <XSevenX> play some select games (which I have found listings showing compatibility vs. Ubuntu so there won't be much problem there)
[15:40] <holstein> xfce,and lxde both have that... XFCE is in xubuntu... LXDE lubuntu
[15:40] <XSevenX> it doesn't matter, I just preferred the menu
[15:40] <holstein> sure.. and all i can say is, if you want one, you can have one
[15:42] <XSevenX> well I guess I'm going to make my live USB for 12.04 now
[15:42] <XSevenX> thanks for the help
[15:42] <cortman> no problem
[16:42] <tomas_> hi, i delete my admin account :D how to fix
[16:42] <tomas_> ctrl + alt + f1 i can login there
[16:43] <tomas_> no elseway
[17:00] <tomas_> so my real admin is dissapeared from my login screen
[17:04] <holstein> tomas_: login from the recovery console, and "fix" it
[17:14] <tomas_> i cant login recovery mode
[17:14] <tomas_> tryed shift, shift + tab,  esc
[17:15] <holstein> tomas_: you dont see a kernel list in grub?
[17:16] <tomas_> how can i see grub ?
[17:16] <tomas_> computer just start up to login screen
[17:16] <tomas_> loading ubuntu there is background and . . . . . . . .       and then next there is login screen
[17:16] <tomas_> where should be that grub ?
[17:17] <holstein> tomas_: i always unhide grub.. but if its hidden, usually tapping shift after the bios screen shows it
[17:17] <tomas_> wwwwooow
[17:17] <tomas_> i got in
[17:17] <tomas_> <3
[17:17] <tomas_> what to do next ?
[17:18] <holstein> boot the recovery environment, and get to a root shell and "fix" what you broke
[17:18] <tomas_> option "root "?
[17:18] <holstein> ?
[17:18] <tomas_> from the list
[17:18] <tomas_> i have resume, clean
[17:18] <holstein> tomas_: you can start reading me what exactly is in that list
[17:18] <tomas_> ...
[17:18] <holstein> otherwise, its "root" console you want
[17:18] <holstein> you want a terminal with root access
[17:18] <holstein> there are several ways to get that
[17:19] <tomas_> resume, clean, dgkp, failsafeX, fsck, grub , network, root, system-summary
[17:19] <holstein> so, from that list
[17:19] <holstein> root, most fist the term 'root" i gave
[17:19] <tomas_> i take root
[17:19] <tomas_> ok now im there
[17:19] <tomas_> what should i do ?
[17:19] <holstein> i would select 'root' and see if its like the root option i am suggesting where you will have the sudo root access you removed
[17:19] <holstein> tomas_: ?
[17:19] <holstein> tomas_: fix what you broke
[17:19] <tomas_> im in root
[17:20] <tomas_> root@xxx:~#
[17:20] <holstein> if you removed the sudo access of the user you have, then here, you have root access
[17:20] <holstein> if the question was "i broke my admin account".. here, you have admin access and can "fix" what you broke
[17:21] <tomas_> i make new question. i deleted my admin account from "own" and there is left 2 accounts in "other" account section.
[17:21] <tomas_> cant login only with quest
[17:21] <tomas_> can*
[17:22] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/70236/create-an-administrator-user-in-command-line
[17:22] <tomas_> so that was the problem, maybe i said it too difficult and unclearly
[17:23] <tomas_> but if it already exist there cos im logged it now with that name in root in recovery mode
[17:23] <tomas_> ?
[17:23] <holstein> tomas_: there is no root user
[17:23] <holstein> only users with admin access
[17:23] <holstein> !root
[17:23] <ubot2> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:23] <tomas_> i know that password
[17:23] <tomas_> and im logged in
[17:23] <tomas_> thats not the problem
[17:23] <holstein> if you broke that funtionality, we can get that back here in the root console
[17:23] <holstein> tomas_: no, you are not
[17:24] <holstein> you are in the root console from recovery
[17:24] <holstein> you didnt put in any password
[17:24] <tomas_> but it asked password
[17:24] <tomas_> and i put
[17:24] <holstein> i dont hink so
[17:24] <holstein> if it did, you are not where i suggested, nor do you have the problem i thought you had
[17:24] <holstein> i would elaborate for one of the other volunteers, and try #ubuntu
[17:24] <holstein> i must be off.. good luck!
[17:25] <tomas_> and in ubuntu where is accounts.. if i make something it asks my "real admin" password and that "real admin" name is shown only in there.. not in users list
[20:01] <ecen> Hello! I recently installed Ubuntu for the first time and to do this I used the Windows Ubuntu installer for version 12.10. I did this on a somewhat old laptop to test out Ubuntu, hoping it to be faster than w7 (64-bit) which is the native OS. However, so far, it's only been way slower at about everything. As well as this, applications tend to crash and freeze alot (especially the system options app when I try to open user
[20:01] <ecen> account settings). So, is it possible to somehow increase performance, atleast to the same speed as win7, and is there any help for repeating app-crashes?
[20:15] <ecen> I'd be happy to contribute with more information regarding the problem too, if I know what could be of use! (I'll be on from another device for a bit)
[20:55] <XSevenX> I am pretty much ready to give up on this OS
[20:55] <XSevenX> all I want to do is play my games, and I have spent the last 3 days jumping through hoops to get this crap to even run
[20:56] <XSevenX> every single time that I think I'm getting somewhere, I find out that I have to learn even more than I did the last time, and type out even more lines of script just to get a PROGRA TO FUNCTION
[20:56] <XSevenX> WHY DO I HAVE TO INPUT LITERALLY EVERYTHING MANUALLY INTO THIS SYSTEM FOR IT TO DO ANYTHING?
[20:57] <XSevenX> I just want to play my game, I don't want to program my fucking computer anymore.
[20:57] <XSevenX> I finally get a stable Ubuntu installation onto my HDD, and I get partitions set properly, and I figure out how to get my updates done for all my drivers, and everything seems to be finally working smoothly
[20:58] <XSevenX> I get Wine and Winetricks installed, and I go to start the installation for League of Legends through a forum post I had found with a step-by-step how to do it
[20:58] <XSevenX> when I find out that I have to go through a huge mass of input to get Wine to work with my 86_64x installation
[21:00] <XSevenX> I don't even know if I'm doing anything wrong, because I know so little about what I'm doing to begin with that I would not figure any of this out if there were not articles, and information available to me specifically telling me exactly what I have to do to go from A to B.
[21:00] <XSevenX> I have seen that people say this OS is "intuitive", and I have yet to see what that even means
[21:02] <XSevenX> I just don't think that intuitive = $ line entry script {{ names of things }} = ? what the hell is even going on/what/why/when/where/
[21:02] <XSevenX> in what part of someones brain do they think that a line of abstract words to input a command sequence is "intuitive"?
[21:03] <XSevenX> it's as if I've stumbled upon a project started by someone several days ago, even though this OS is supposedly "8 years old"
[21:04] <XSevenX> 8 years of ridiculously assbackwards implementation that does not offer decent support for literally any commercial product?
[21:59] <geirha> Heh, buys crappy game, blames OS.
[22:05] <ECEN_SILVER> He might have some point though - of course I'm not the one to say anything, I just got here, to Linux.
[22:16] <geirha> Well, if the game was written for linux in the first place, it would be point and click all the way.
[22:19] <geirha> wine could be more user friendly, sure, but there's no point in putting down hours into that now. Best get it to reliably run windows programs and games first.
[22:27] <ECEN_SILVER> Ya. I wish more things were developed for Linux. Personally I don't want to stay with microsoft anymore.
[23:20] <madsailor> ECEN_SILVER,  I'm sure games will get more 'nix attention now that Steam for Linux is released
[23:23] <ECEN_SILVER> Yea, I really hope so!
[23:59] <ecen> Hello again guys, I recently installed Ubuntu 12.10 (first time Linux) through the windows installer on this laptop of mine. Bad thing is, Ubuntu is running much slower than native win7 64-bit, and I'm getting lots of app freezes. Any ideas?


[10:21] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: 'morning!  so, I tested the mainline kernels for bug #396286 and the break indeed happens as soon as we bump from 2.6.30 to 2.6.31.
[10:21] <ubot3> Malone bug 396286 in linux "kernel 2.6.31-generic oops after loading initramfs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396286
[11:45] <Severian> Howdy.  Bug 404451 says jfs is no longer built into the kernel.  I believe I found another problem that could have been caused by this.  Is there a reason jfs was moved out of the kernel?  I am trying to decide how to proceed on the error and my install on a test machine.
[11:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 404451 in linux "JFS no longer built into the default kernel" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404451
[11:46] <stas> Hi, anybody alive?
[11:47] <Severian> I hope so.
[11:47] <stas> good
[11:48] <stas> I have a question, about kernel builds. Anybody has debs with >=2.6.30 kernel with btrfs module included?
[11:48] <stas> if no, is it possible that btrfs to be included in the kernel-ppa builds?
[11:49] <stas> if no, :), is it possible for me to submit in my ppa kernel images for building debs?
[11:56] <Severian> stas, I can't speak for the kernel guys.  I am just a user.  In the last couple of days, I read an article describing how to get btrfs into karmic.  It involved compileing the kernel with some options turned on.  I would think a ppa for this would be handy.
[11:57] <stas> Severian: current kernelt team's ppa: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ has builds, but the btrfs module is not included in builds, which is strange cause the images are mostly for testing
[11:57] <Severian> I think anyone can put up a ppa, stas.  They are, after all personal archives.
[11:58] <stas> Severian: yeahm I got to try if a linux-image will be accepted for build in ppa
[11:59] <stas> anyway, when somebody from the team has a minute or two, please drop a line on this question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/linux/+question/78773
[11:59] <stas> thanks Severian
[11:59] <Severian> I bet there already are kernels there.  I'll go look.
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> btw, what is the preferred way of setting up a console frame buffer size, these days?  DMA/KMS doesn't apply to this hardware's chipset, so it would have to be using e.g. vesafb or something similar with GRUB cmdline options.
[12:03] <mjg59> The same as it's ever been
[12:04] <mjg59> vesafb still has issues in that it's more likely to break suspend/resume
[12:11] <Severian> stas, I think you were right to ask.  Apparently, there are restrictions on having a kernel in a ppa.
[12:21] <stas> Severian: I put 2.6.31 with btrfs in my ppa for building
[12:21] <stas> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sushkov/+archive/personal
[12:21] <stas> check it in an hour :)
[16:05] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: success.
[16:08] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: was this still a 2.6.30, in practice, or an early 2.6.31 with selected rollbacks?
[16:08] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: it was approx in between 2.6.30 and 2.6.31-rc1
[16:09] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: ok.  well, this one works.
[16:09] <Q-FUNK> it gives rather distorted video output, though.
[16:10] <Q-FUNK> at least, during the bootup with console messages (I boot in single mode without splash for these tests)
[16:10] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: cool, just trying to narrow down the next one we want you to test
[16:10] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: give us a sec
[16:11] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: alright. :)
[16:12] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: I just noticed, 'lsmod' wasn't included in the data gathered by "ubuntu-bug".  would it be useful to add it?
[16:33] <stas> ok, this sucks, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sushkov/+archive/personal/+sourcepub/690293/+listing-archive-extra
[16:33] <stas> how can I get kernel builds with btrfs without having to build it by myself?
[16:34] <hyperair> don't all the new kernels have it?
[16:35] <stas> hyperair: I wish
[16:35] <hyperair> O-o
[16:35] <hyperair> then what, a patch?
[16:35] <hyperair> or a CONFIG_?
[16:35] <stas> but don't know why, the kernel team ignores btrfs modules on build
[16:37] <hyperair> CONFIG_BTRFS_FS=m
[16:37] <hyperair> CONFIG_BTRFS_FS_POSIX_ACL=y
[16:37] <hyperair> this is in my kernel config =\
[16:37] <hyperair> and also in the .31-4 kernel
[16:37] <stas> I'm asking again somebody to answer me here https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/linux/+question/78773
[16:38] <stas> hyperair: I checked them all, they ignore btrfs module
[16:38] <stas> and I also tried building the kernel in ppa, where I failed miserably
[16:38] <hyperair> you're doing something wrong
[16:39] <hyperair> linux-image-2.6.31-4-generic has the btrfs kernel module built and installed
[16:39] <hyperair> modinfo btrfs shows it
[16:39] <hyperair> hyperair@ipwn:~$ find /lib/modules/2.6.31-4-generic  -name btrfs.ko
[16:39] <hyperair> /lib/modules/2.6.31-4-generic/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko
[16:40] <stas> hyperair: I've checked it here : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc4/BUILD.LOG
[16:40] <stas> and I can't see Btrfs filesystem (EXPERIMENTAL) Unstable disk format (BTRFS_FS) [y]
[16:40] <hyperair> dunno
[16:41] <hyperair> have you looked inside the deb to see if the kernel module exists?
[16:41] <stas> and this is the linux-image I put to build today, where btrfs was also disabled
[16:41] <stas> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sushkov/+archive/personal/+sourcepub/690293/+listing-archive-extra
[16:41] <hyperair> answer me damnit
[16:41] <hyperair> have you or have you not looked inside the deb
[16:42] <stas> hyperair: you don't have to check the deb, deb is build using upstream tarball with applied patch to create the debian package
[16:42] <stas> and btrfs is in upstream branch since 2.6.29 afaik
[16:42] <hyperair> yes, and if btrfs.ko exists in the deb, then be happy.
[16:42] <hyperair> i'm pretty damn sure the kernel-ppa has the same config as the karmic kernes
[16:42] <hyperair> kernels*
[16:43] <stas> last time I tried 2.6.3x I had no module btrfs
[16:43] <hyperair> and when was that?
[16:43] <hyperair> 2.6.30 doesn't have btrfs
[16:44] <hyperair> 2.6.31 does.
[16:50] <Q-FUNK> silly question, but how does one reset the list of modules pulled in by udev to rebuild the initrd.img from scratch with only minimal modules included?
[16:51] <Q-FUNK> I'm asking, because on one server, it erroneoulsy pulled in video modules (drm/kms) that match the hardware being used on the laptop to remote-maintain that host and it refuses to stop including them.
[16:54] <stas> hyperair: 2.6.31 neither contains btrfs, ls lib/modules/2.6.31-020631rc5-generic/kernel/fs
[16:54] <stas> 9p    autofs   binfmt_aout.ko  configfs  fat       hfsplus  jfs    nfs         ntfs   quota     squashfs  ufs
[16:54] <stas> adfs  autofs4  binfmt_misc.ko  dlm       freevxfs  hpfs     lockd  nfs_common  ocfs2  reiserfs  sysv      xfs
[16:54] <stas> affs  befs     cifs            efs       gfs2      isofs    minix  nfsd        omfs   romfs     ubifs
[16:54] <stas> afs   bfs      coda            exportfs  hfs       jffs2    ncpfs  nls         qnx4   smbfs     udf
[16:54] <Q-FUNK> stas: can you please use pastebin for this?
[16:55] <hyperair> how strange.
[16:55] <hyperair> i guess the ppa builds don't have it eh..
[16:55] <stas> Q-FUNK: sorry, didn't check what I had to paste
[16:55] <hyperair> karmic kernels do though
[16:55] <stas> hyperair: karmic has it neither
[16:56] <stas> the package I put today in my ppa is from karmic, backported to jaunty
[16:56] <stas> and I had to modify configs to enable btrfs
[16:56] <stas> finally it didn't compile
[16:56] <hyperair> stas: i'm on karmic, and all the karmic kernels from -2 up have it, as far as i can see.
[16:57] <Q-FUNK> stas: have you tried using vanilla tarballs with the ubuntu .config, then enabling btrfs, then making a package using kernel-package?
[16:58] <stas> Q-FUNK: the point is to have debs provided without having myself involved
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> stas: I see.  is a wishlist bug filed on LP for this?
[16:59] <stas> where's the fun if the kernel-ppa packages which are for testing purpose, are not offering testing features
[16:59] <stas> Q-FUNK: I placed a question in answers, like a normal user, thought maybe it generate problems
[16:59] <stas> but no one answered
[17:00] <stas> so I'm gonna convert it to a bug
[17:00] <Q-FUNK> stas: a bug can be assigned to maintainers as a TODO, whenever required, so, yes, this tends to work better than a question :)
[17:01] <stas> Q-FUNK: it good to now in future :)
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> it doesn't mean that maintianers have the time to get around replying to every bug on time for a release, but filing a cheerful feature request bug to enable kernel module X eventually tends to be addressed.
[17:05] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: btw, did you see my reply about pata_cs5535 ?  it would need to be compiled as built-in, rather than as module, for this to have the desired effect (see bug #318805 for details)
[17:05] <ubot3> Malone bug 318805 in linux "Missing pata_cs5535 module for geode based controllers" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318805
[17:06] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: have you tested to confirm?
[17:06] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: looking at how other pata modules are built-in, rather than modular, I'd think so.
[17:07] <Q-FUNK> if necessary, you can confirm with popey
[17:07] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: that's why I added it to the pata-modules file
[17:08] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: yes, except that, for some reason, it got shipped as =m rahter than as =Y
[17:08] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: it won't change the config option
[17:09] <ogasawara> Q-FUNK: adding it to pata-modules delivers the driver to the installer because it is not build in by default
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> ogasawara: ah, ok
[17:10] <Q-FUNK> interesting
[17:11] <stas> Q-FUNK: thanks, I filled a bug, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sushkov/+archive/personal/+sourcepub/690293/+listing-archive-extra
[17:11] <stas> sorry, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/408924
[17:11] <ubot3> Malone bug 408924 in linux "btrfs modules are missing from linux-image in karmic and kernel-ppa" [Undecided,New]
[17:11] <stas> oh, you got a bot :)
[17:15] <ogasawara> stas: which kernel are you running? I see it on 2.6.31-4 at least
[17:16] <ogasawara> stas: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/247318/
[17:18] <stas> ogasawara: where do i got that kernel?
[17:18] <stas> you got*
[17:19] <ogasawara> stas: if you have Karmic installed you should have it (linux-image-2.6.31-4-generic)
[17:19] <ogasawara> stas: although it looks like 2.6.31-5 is now available
[17:19] <Q-FUNK> modprobe btrfs
[17:19] <Q-FUNK> yes, it entered karmic yesterday
[17:20] <Q-FUNK>  /lib/modules/2.6.31-5-generic/kernel/fs/btrfs
[17:20] <stas> ogasawara: I checked today 2.6.31-5  deb sources, and it had no btrfs
[17:21] <stas> why than I would place a build in my ppa, thought
[17:21] <stas> :)
[17:21] <Q-FUNK> stas: at least, 2.6.31-5 has it at /lib/modules/2.6.31-5-generic/kernel/fs/btrfs
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> I'm not sure about earlier kernels
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> let's see
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> 2.6.30 releases don't seem to have it
[17:22] <Q-FUNK> but 2.6.31 ones do
[17:23] <stas> Q-FUNK: please tell me the source of the debs
[17:24] <Q-FUNK> linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.31-5-generic/kernel/fs/btrfs
[17:24] <Q-FUNK> that's straight from karmic
[17:25] <stas> Q-FUNK: you mean this build: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-5.24
[17:27] <Q-FUNK> ii  linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic                            2.6.31-5.24                             Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86
[17:27] <Q-FUNK> yup
[17:28] <stas> Q-FUNK: yes I can see it
[17:30] <stas> thank you guys
[17:30] <Q-FUNK> welcome! :)
[17:30] <stas> hope the guys will continue to provide it, and it will be included in their ppa/mainline
[17:31] <stas> thanks and bye
[20:15] <Q-FUNK> hm