[10:12] <shadeslayer> hey ho
[10:13] <apw> cking, you did some testing for us, on cfq/deadline etc, as we were considering flipping back to cfq "because clearly it is better" ... and it wasn't
[10:13] <apw> cking, shadeslayer is asking to switch to cfq ...
[10:13] <cking> apw, as per usual, it depends on the usecase
[10:14] <shadeslayer> fwiw userland stuff depends on CFQ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1310402
[10:14] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1310402 in linux "Userland depends on ionice idle but default scheduler is "deadline". " [Wishlist,Triaged]
[10:14] <apw> shadeslayer, well you can simply change it via sysfs
[10:14] <shadeslayer> apw: I'm not arguing about that
[10:14] <shadeslayer> it's just that it seems like a runtime dep
[10:15] <apw> but as i recall the analysis we switched to deadline, because we saw visible delayes in desktop from cfq
[10:15] <shadeslayer> I see, atleast for Kubuntu we wanted to switch to CFQ because the file indexer was trashing the HDD since io niceness was not available on deadline
[10:16] <shadeslayer> so I kind of did this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/1:14.10ubuntu3
[10:16] <apw> which seems reasonable
[10:16] <cking> the main problem is that whatever one choses there will be cases where one ioscheduler is better than the other
[10:17] <shadeslayer> I'm not arguing against that :D
[10:17] <apw> i am not actually sure what you are arguing
[10:17] <shadeslayer> All I'm saying is that some userland stuff depends on CFQ
[10:17] <shadeslayer> and I was wondering if there was testing done to see if we can change to CFQ
[10:18] <shadeslayer> and wanted to look at testing data
[10:18] <shadeslayer> because I want to see cases where deadline is better on the desktop
[10:18] <shadeslayer> and see how kubuntu would be affected
[10:18] <cking> there has been testing done over a wide range of kernels and I doubt we will switch for this release
[10:19] <shadeslayer> yep, that's reasonable since we're past FF
[10:19] <shadeslayer> but data :(
[10:19] <shadeslayer> where do I find the data :(
[10:20] <cking> shadeslayer, it's currently not published because I'm still working on a fully automated test rig
[10:20] <cking> and with so many schedulers, file system times, media and kernels it's taking a while to gather a full set of data across releases + kernels
[10:21] <shadeslayer> okay, do you have a document that has testing parameters and such?
[10:21] <shadeslayer> cking: I assume the tests for the desktop are only run for Unity?
[10:22] <cking> shadeslayer, nope, it's all command line driven with 20 or so fio tests
[10:22] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:22] <cking> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=cking/fs-test-proto.git;a=summary
[10:22] <cking> and it's PROTO type code
[10:22] <shadeslayer> ack
[10:23] <cking> i.e. it's bound to have bugs and it's still work in progress
[10:25] <apw> shadeslayer, perhaps there is something to be said to getting your "select scheduler" job into something common to all servers etc to have different defaults
[10:25] <cking> shadeslayer, when I get some free time I'll try and write a fio test that reproduces that issue in that bug report
[10:26] <shadeslayer> apw: possibly
[10:27] <apw> it almost wants to be a kernel thing, though we don't really have "one package" due to the "multiple kernels installed" .... hmmm
[10:27] <shadeslayer> I just picked it up from the debian docs on udev rules, so I'm not really in the best position to write a more complex rule
[10:30] <apw> it would be nice if one had /etc/default/linux which let us change "things" which are kernel side, hmmm
[10:35] <cking> apw, yeah, like defaults for types of usecases, e.g. webserver, database, mailserver, desktop HDD,desktop SSD, etc
[10:51] <shadeslayer> cking: apw btw do these tests also test things like apps contending for disk reads/writes ?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> because for the desktop that would be the most important thing
[10:51] <cking> shadeslayer, some of my fio test do simulate multiple reader writers in different i/o patterns
[20:22] <JFSTWO> !ops
[20:22] <ubot2`> Help! lamont, zul, T-Bone, mdz, or jdub
[20:22] <JFSTWO> !ops
[20:22] <ubot2`> Help! lamont, zul, T-Bone, mdz, or jdub
[21:12] <bjf> dannf, we've not turned the crank on a new trusty yet. i expect rtg will get those ahci xgene patches sorted. don't know what happened there.
[21:12] <dannf> bjf: ack, thx


[01:05] <siva_machina> Was the bot having a spaz attack?
 I think it was a connection issue or something
[01:20] <ahoneybun> yea looking at the log in IRC it seems to be a connection issue, I also had issues with my bouncer too
 I just added a sweet feature to my light switches.  Tap on then tap off within 2 seconds and the light will come on and then turn off 30 seconds later.
[01:25] <floridagram> * ahoneybun wants cool lights
 My kids have the cool lights.   They turn colors.
 nice
 I summit my first PR to Mycroft
 *summited
 did anybody go to my stream?
 so that's a no...
 well, ok, then
[02:43] <siva_machina> I was already watching a stream before you started
[02:43] <siva_machina> >.>
 I just ordered 10 KG (22.2 LBS) of Fillament
 Woe
 What flavor?
 Um, PLA Plastic
 White if you want to know
 It was the brand @ahoneybun told me about a few days ago that was on sale. I ordered one roll and it seems to print well.
 Normally I pay $25-$30 per KG for filament, this stuff is currently $9.99 per KG. Normally I get 4 x 1KG rolls for $100 - I was able to get 10 x 1 KG rolls for $99.99 with free Amazon Shipping
 Wow
 It is also packed well in a vacuum sealed bag with desiccant packets so it should store well
 Nice
 I am also setting up a dedicated makerspace in my bedroom, I have been wanting to do that for a while so I dont clutter my desk or the house with my projects
 It will be useful as it will have more storage than the shelf I was using for 3D Printing so I will be able to have a place to store all of those rolls I ordered
 I'm really liking Kodi so far
 Well done, I use the same service to save a lot at the pump. My record was $1.30 per gallon off
 Which in my case - I was only paying 97 cents a gallon
 I like this as well @KMyers
 Jax asks what color
 White
 http://amzn.to/2bSnvsx
 Tell @jadaba that they have ABS as well for prices ranging from $6.99 - $9.99 - http://amzn.to/2bSnyEH
 I have not tried the ABS yet but the PLA prints A LOT better than I expected. The rafts came off cleanly
 which is not always expected with "cheap" filament
 @AdamOutler https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/31/google-onhub-phillips-hue-lighting-integration/
[17:03] <roaksoax> /w/win 4
 Oh wow!  That is cool.  But what about ZWave?
 I will need to read about this.
 Nothing about ZWave yet but I am sure it will happen, OnHubs have the radio, just not active ATM
 My Osram Lightify uses the same protocol, with a different endpoint ID.  There's no reason they shouldn't work too.
 OK.  They are going to need to massively ramp up their game to compete with SmartThings...  Which has a site that allows you to receive and send events from the SmartThings hub.  Basic control is kids stuff.
 Agreed
 Like, how would I even use this?  Go to a website every time I want to turn on and off a light?
 Not sure, but I am sure mobile apps and an API will exist
 They need to make ZigBee and ZWave protocols available for programming with an open API.
 I'm not talking about brillo, weave, and thread.  I'm talking about an actual unifying system that you can go and program.
 Like a local IFTTT.
 You define your ifs and then your DOs and hook them up.
 Google is moving very slowly here.
[21:12] <DammitJim> am I screwed? WARNING: Security updates for your current Hardware Enablement
[21:12] <DammitJim> Stack ended on 2016-08-04
[21:12] <DammitJim> my servers are all on 14.04 LTS and I still have a lot of testing to do before I can upgrade to 16.04 LTS
[21:13] <ahoneybun> Stack?
[21:14] <DammitJim> Stack?
 DammitJim I'm a sign holder not a software/hardware enginer. Stack?
[21:36] <maxolasersquad> DammitJim, http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
 but 14.04 is still supported
[21:37] <maxolasersquad> Hardware support has ended.
 heck even 12.04 is still supported till April 2017
[21:37] <maxolasersquad> I think that means new hardware will not be supported by 14.04.
[21:38] <ahoneybun> it could be by a new kernel kinda I thinik
[21:42] <maxolasersquad> That makes sense. New kernels probably have bug fixes, but do not support new hardware.
[21:42] <maxolasersquad> Though I can't find anything spelling that out.
 does anyone want me to kill the bot for now?
 @KMyers ping
 @govatent  aswe ll
 What's up?
 Going nuts with the glitch?
 I'm on the System76 website lol
 did it withot thinking about it
 *without
 ?
 http://support.system76.com/articles/hdmi-audio/
 @ahoneybun, Yes, that is how it is normally done
 mm?
 @ahoneybun, Those steps are not unique to System76, it is the same on most distros
 I know
 just added a few screenshots


[10:32] <mup> Issue operator#404 closed: log event deferral and re-emission <Created by chipaca> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/404>
[10:40] <mup> Issue operator#387 closed: passing k8s_resources to pod.set_spec() requires a dict with a single key "kubernetesResources" <juju-workaround> <Created by axinojolais> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/387>
[16:03] <mup> PR operator#645 opened: Harness Pebble filesystem implementation <Created by Vultaire> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/645>


[12:35] <studio-user418> hi all I need some help installing calf plugins
[22:56] <sirriffsalothp> There it is, as good as it'll get I think :) Thanks for all the help, please do spread it around! Good night! https://soundcloud.com/user-740866226/white-mans-blues-feat-od-from-outlet-0-one


[00:16] <zombienerd> Hello all, anyone around?
[00:18] <mariogrip> awe: now i get this "received=Q and expected=QOEMHOOK", i'm using parcel_w_string
[00:18] <mariogrip> parcel_w_string(rilp, "QOEMHOOK");
[00:54] <bbxtr> Hola Hombres
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Introduces-Snappy-Ubuntu-Core-at-Internet-of-Things-World-2015-483125.shtml
[04:48] <zombienerd>  /join #xubuntu
[04:48] <zombienerd> of course parsing is wrong. lol.
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <Spike_> HI
[07:56] <Spike_> I wondered if I could get a dual boot on a BQ Aquaris 5 Ubuntu touch / Android
[07:57] <Spike_> If it is possible it's definetely going to be my next smartphone
[07:57] <ogra_> it wont be sold like that, no ... but the saystem is all open :)
[07:57] <ogra_> *system
[07:58] <Spike_> Well i knw that it's not goign to be sold this way however I visited BQ's website this morning
[07:58] <ogra_> (someone could surely make it work with multirom or some such... with some passion and knowledge)
[07:58] <Spike_>  and I saw the Aquaris E5 ++ with 1080p screen
[07:58] <Spike_>  that was kinda affordable
[07:58] <ogra_> that wont be sold with ubuntu
[07:59] <ogra_> only the 720p version
[07:59] <Spike_> yes
[07:59] <Spike_>  that's why i wondered if I could get a dual boot working on such a device
[07:59] <Spike_> I mean the only tutorial i coul dfind on ubuntu
[07:59] <Spike_>  was how to replace
[07:59] <Spike_> android by ubunut
[08:00] <Spike_>  ubuntu
[08:00] <Spike_> I used to have a dual boot on my old galaxy nexus
[08:00] <Spike_>  android / Ubuntu
[08:00] <Spike_> it was not very efficient so i got rid of my ubuntu part
[08:01] <Spike_> but the perspective of getting a dual boot on a BQ could worth a try
[08:01] <ogra_> there are nexus4, 7 and nexus5 support in multiboot, talk to Tassadar (once he is around) he made them work i think
[08:01] <ogra_> but you wont easily get that with a non supported device since you would have to do a full port first
[08:02] <fummy> hi, is the battery life on nexus 5 still aweful?
[08:05] <Spike__> Ok thanks
[08:05] <Spike__> sorry got disconnected
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning, folks! Happy Repeat Day, and happy Repeat Day! 😃
[09:06] <pitti> ogra_: lxc-android-config has ./etc/init/ureadahead.override with "manual" -- I'm confused, didn't you say we want/need ureadahead for bootspeed?
[09:09] <ogra_> pitti, yes, look deeper :)
[09:09] <ogra_> there are more ureadahead jobs ...
[09:09] <ogra_> we dont have a rootfs setup like the original ureadahead expects ... ureadahead-touch re-orders the scan to take the specific mounts setup into account
[09:10] <pitti> ogra_: aaah! thanks, I missed that
[09:10] <ogra_> (the -touch variant also starts a lot earlier since we do the mounting in initrd)
[09:13] <seb128> kenvandine, mandel, hey, I've an issue with some updates on bq/vivid, one app is listed for upgrade (umetronome 1.5), I can upgrade it and it lists "no upgrade available" but the update comes back every time I reopen the updates screen
[09:14] <mandel> seb128, cound that be because it targets a diff framework? I know ken did some work on that so that we did filter the contents
[09:14] <ogra_> pitti, since i got you here  :) ... do youi know if there are any plans to have support for bootchart like io-graphs (cpu/disk) in the systemd equivalent ? i find the systemd charts rather useless without that info
[09:14] <seb128> mandel, different framework than?
[09:14] <seb128> mandel, it's the same one that was listed on bq/rtm and failed to upgrade because it was requiring sdb 15.04 which was not available, but that's available on vivid
[09:15] <mandel> seb128, I know some apps targeted the framework in vivid when we were in trusty and that caused problems
[09:15] <seb128> sdb->sdk
[09:15] <seb128> right
[09:15] <seb128> but that device is on the vivid channel now
[09:15] <seb128> and the upgrade seems to happen fine
[09:15] <seb128> 1.5 is installed
[09:15] <ogra_> frameworks are backwards compatible (at least on paper)
[09:15] <ogra_> it shouldnt block the download/installation
[09:15] <pitti> ogra_: I don't understand -- what's missing on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/bootchart-20150603-1115.svg ?
[09:16] <pitti> ogra_: these have more info than the ones from our "bootchart" package..
[09:16] <ogra_> pitti, oooh !
[09:16] <ogra_> how do i get that ?
[09:16] <pitti> ogra_: oh, were you perhaps looking at systemd-analyze plot?
[09:16] <ogra_> yeah
[09:16] <ogra_> thats with the init= modification, i see
[09:16] <pitti> ogra_: init=/lib/systemd/systemd-bootchart (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting)
[09:16]  * ogra_ hugs pitti
[09:16] <pitti> ogra_: ah, yes; analyze plot only knows the timestamps, there is no additional probing
[09:17] <ogra_> (your Xorg is slow :P )
[09:17] <pitti> ogra_: i. e. analyze plot is always available and has no overhead; bootchart is on request and has the usual probing overhead/slowdown
[09:17] <seb128> ogra_, the update installs fine, and it's installed, but it keeps being listed in the update panel still despite being uptodate
[09:17] <pitti> ogra_: nah, I just had to type my password into lightdm, and mistyped once..
[09:17] <ogra_> seb128, ah, then i misunderstood ... still though, the framework shouldnt be the issue, is your disk full ?
[09:18] <seb128> ogra_, no it's not, there is like 1.5G
[09:18] <seb128> the install looks fine
[09:18] <ogra_> weird
[09:18] <ogra_> anything in logs ?
[09:18] <seb128> unsure how u-d-m determine there is an update
[09:18] <seb128> the log looks like it finds an update and install it
[09:18] <seb128> no error I can see
[09:19] <seb128> ogra_, mandel, in fact that click is installed twice
[09:19] <ogra_> aha !
[09:19] <seb128>         "_directory": "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.developer.monichols.umetronome",
[09:20] <seb128>         "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev2",
[09:20] <seb128>         "_directory": "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/umetronome.otter",
[09:20] <seb128>         "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-15.04",
[09:20] <seb128>
[09:20] <seb128> so I guess it finds the first one
[09:20] <ogra_> namespace change ...
[09:20] <seb128> and try to update
[09:20] <ogra_> beuno, ^^^^
[09:20] <pitti> ogra_: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/bootchart-20150603-1119.svg <- with autologin (but compiz is still slow, we know that :)
[09:21] <ogra_> not to bad !
[09:21] <pitti> ogra_: but I suppose the QEMU video driver isn't the fastest either :)
[09:21] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, 7s to loaded desktop? it's quite good :-)
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: well, cheating -- there's no I/O as it's a cached QEMU image
[09:22] <pitti> that's why CPU utilization is perfect
[09:22] <seb128> k
[09:22] <pitti> i. e. it tells us that we at least don't spend time with useless waiting
[09:22] <ogra_> yeah
[09:23] <pitti> I haven't done a bootchart on my laptop for a while, I ought to do that
[09:32] <nhaines> What's the process for approving Ubuntu Store updates for the phone these days?
[09:33] <nhaines> I just updated tutanota-webapp.nhaines, which passed all tests.  And I think the last time I had a minor update it sat around for a few days.  I basically dropped the custom user agent string and added "content_exchange" to the policy groups.
[09:37] <mandel> seb128, that is not in our area of expertise ;)
[09:38] <seb128> mandel, I guess that's one for beuno?
[09:38] <mandel> seb128, yes, or for the click people
[09:39] <mandel> seb128, we just download and make calls
[09:39] <seb128> right
[09:41] <nhaines> Huh, looks like it sailed right through this time.  Well, thanks.  :)
[10:18] <mcphail> Is there a way to configure the fron page of the Ubuntu Store to only feature apps/scopes which are available in your language?
[10:18] <davidcalle> mcphail, not yet
[10:19] <mcphail> davidcalle: ok, thanks. Do you know if that feature is planned?
[10:20] <davidcalle> mcphail, it would make sense to have it IMHO, but I don't know if it's on the roadmap. thostr_ ? ^
[10:22] <mcphail> It would be good, particualryl as you can't even cut/paste the text to put through Google Translate to see what the current "Highlight of the week" is/does
[10:24] <thostr_> davidcalle: mcphail: we don't have this on our roadmap, but from scope side this should be easy/quickly to do if we support that on the store side
[10:25] <mcphail> thostr_: I hope the Chinese Meizu phone is a roaring success, but don't anticipate a lot of the Chinese scopes will be interesting/relevant to me without translation. As such, I hope I can screen them out
[10:27] <popey> same for comments / reviews
[10:28] <davidcalle> On the bright side, the store API seems to be ready on that front (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex#Localisation)
[10:28] <mcphail> That's good to know
[10:30]  * mcphail makes a mental note to include gettext support in anything he writes for the store
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Working-to-Add-Whatsapp-and-Dropbox-as-Services-and-Not-Apps-483172.shtml
[10:50] <popey> we are!?
[10:52] <faenil> lol
[10:52] <brunch875> hillarious article
[10:53] <brunch875> whatsapp service straight into the OS
[10:53] <nik90> brunch875: why is that bad? It won't be installed by default, but the user can choose to install dropbox as a service.
[10:54] <nik90> brunch875: I have seen imgur services which when installed doesnt show up as an application, but only when using content-hub as a destination to share images
[10:55] <brunch875> I think we're not using the same definition of service
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> whatsapp for androis is very unsecure, i wonder how that will turnout from touch?
[10:56] <nik90> lotuspsychje: insecure as in others can read messages while it is being sent?
[10:57] <faenil> aren't they using textsecure protocol nowadays?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> nik90: yeah many security flaws in whatsapp for android
[10:57] <faenil> libaxoctl, whatever
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> nik90: lucky we have telegram now
[11:04] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, there are two minor conflicts when merging your keyboard navigation branch into the latest trunk, can you please resolve them?
[11:04] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i will be on that shortly
[11:05] <oSoMoN> thx
[11:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: merged
[11:31] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, thanks
[11:40] <brunch875> the OTA4 looks so promising I want to jump into the devel channel
[11:42] <mcphail> brunch875: so what's sopping you :) - easy enough to go back...
[11:42] <brunch875> arggh, I'm just scared I might brick it big time
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> im on devel-proposed with nexus7 and i just love it
[11:43] <jgdx> brunch875, how would you brick it?
[11:43]  * popey notes latest gets 3 more points on html5test.com over current
[11:43] <mcphail> brunch875: all flashing carries risks, but for androidy-type things there is usually a solution to reflash through recovery
[11:44] <mcphail> brunch875: and changing channels isn't that much different to an OTA :)
[11:44] <jgdx> I wonder what the actual risk is, given the amount of devices and the amount of flashings between the participants in this channel
[11:44] <brunch875> It's more or less a phobia... my first smartphone was a windows6.5; I continued with windows7 and that device bricked itself with a normal update
[11:45] <brunch875> and I couldn't get to talk to it via USB or anything
[11:45] <brunch875> hardbricked
[11:45] <brunch875> but what the hell... this thing is much better done
[11:45] <jgdx> brunch875, bq?
[11:45] <brunch875> besides, it should help the developers debug, shouldn't it?
[11:46] <brunch875> nah, it was an HTC mozart I think
[11:46] <jgdx> nopf, your current device
[11:46] <brunch875> yeah, BQ
[11:46] <mcphail> brunch875: yes - if it hard-bricks, the devs here will buy you a new one. I'll make that promise on their behalf :)
[11:46] <jgdx> i'll chip in
[11:46] <brunch875> :D
[11:46] <jgdx> $10 is what 10%?
[11:47]  * mcphail would like to point out he is not a dev and will not be contributing to the new phone
[11:47] <popey> changing channel is _way_ less intrusive than flashing android
[11:47] <brunch875> fine fine, you convinced me!
[11:47] <brunch875> which channel should I get then, devel proposed?
[11:47] <popey> or wait a week and get it when all the other people do :)
[11:47] <popey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en is the channel I have mine on
[11:47] <mcphail> brunch875: do you like the bq-specific apps/scopes?
[11:48] <brunch875> euuuh, I don't really use them
[11:48] <brunch875> in fact, I don't even think I know which ones they are :p
[11:49] <brunch875> the only scope I really use is the news one
[11:50] <brunch875> I'll copy popee
[11:52] <mcphail> brunch875: I suppose the benefits of the channels with "bq" in the name is you get the HERE maps and GPS database
[11:53] <brunch875> unfortunalely the GPS doesn't work...
[11:58] <beuno> ogra_, seb128, mandel, what what?
[11:59] <seb128> beuno, updates list some click that needs to be updated even if it's uptodate
[11:59] <seb128> beuno,         "_directory": "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.developer.monichols.umetronome",
[11:59] <seb128>          "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev2",
[11:59] <seb128>          "_directory": "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/umetronome.otter",
[11:59] <seb128>          "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-15.04",
[11:59] <seb128> beuno, seems like that's installed under different names and confuses things
[12:00] <beuno> seb128, different names are different apps for the systems
[12:00] <beuno> so the developer re-uploaded under a new namespace
[12:01] <seb128> beuno, well, not sure what's going on but I've a "umetronome 1.5" update listed every time I open the panel, and installing it works fine
[12:01] <seb128> that version is installed but it keeps wanting to "upgrade" to it
[12:01] <seb128> so I guess the update panel gets confused by the rename and think the old name has an update when it doesn't or something
[12:02] <beuno> seb128, so that piece of json comes from the client, no the server
[12:03] <beuno> there is no rename as such, the device would see and update them separately
[12:03] <beuno> it's all namespace-based
[12:03] <beuno> if there's 2 different strings, it's 2 different apps
[12:03] <beuno> so something else is confused
[12:04] <beuno> the call to the server doesn't tell if there's something new
[12:04] <beuno> you tell it what apps you have, and it tells you what the latest versions are
[12:05] <seb128> beuno, k, I guess it's a bug in the updates panel backend and needs debugging there
[12:05] <seb128> beuno, I'm going to try to have a look
[12:05] <brunch875> 2015/06/03 14:02:43 Rebooting into recovery to flash
[12:05] <brunch875> Failed to enter Recovery
[12:05] <brunch875> brunch@Long:~$
[12:06] <brunch875> well damn
[12:06]  * brunch875 crosses fingers and waits for de ubuntu logo to finish spinning on his phone
[12:06] <beuno> seb128, I can't think of what would trigger it, sorry  :(
[12:06] <ogra_> if you havent installed an unlocked recovery that message is normal
[12:06] <seb128> beuno, no worry
[12:07] <brunch875> splash screens make me nervous :P I always hit ESC when booting my computer
[12:08] <brunch875> I guess the average human is afraid of screen outputs
[12:12] <brunch875> Aaaand the phone made it alive! Wooo! There's no doubt the ubuntu team made the flashing tool amazing
[12:12] <brunch875> Cheers guys!
[12:15] <popey> \o/
[12:32] <jgdx> i just found that I am physically unable to write "TRANSLATORS" by using shift to make capital letters
[12:32] <jgdx> or, err.. it could be a bug in keyboard driver
[12:33] <seb128> jgdx, what's the issue?
[12:33] <jgdx> seb128, I press SHIFT then "T" "R" and then "A" and I get "TAR" back
[12:34] <seb128> is that on a desktop?
[12:34] <seb128> or osk on a device?
[12:34] <jgdx> dell xps 13
[12:34] <seb128> weird
[12:34] <seb128> in what editor?
[12:34] <seb128> how does that work, you are supposed to get letter entered in real time
[12:34] <jgdx> gnome-terminal, gedit
[12:34] <seb128> what happens when you hit R?
[12:35] <seb128> does it input a R?
[12:35] <jgdx> I think T and R are down simultaneously at some point
[12:35] <seb128> does that go back and change it when you enter the third char?
[12:35] <seb128> hum?
[12:35] <seb128> you press shift
[12:35] <seb128> then hit T and relase the key
[12:35] <jgdx> no
[12:35] <seb128> then hit R and release the key
[12:36] <seb128> no?
[12:36] <popey> Pilot error :)
[12:36] <seb128> I don't understand what you are doing :-/
[12:36] <jgdx> it was originally meant as a joke on myself
[12:36] <jgdx> so no wonder :P
[12:37] <seb128> lol
[12:56] <dholbach> hum... I can't add a PIN for my phone (to enable developer mode) - I'm on devel-proposed
[12:56] <dholbach> anyone else having the same problem?
[12:57] <seb128> dholbach, PIN != developer mode
[12:57] <ogra_> uh, devel-proposed ? thats quite brave
[12:57] <seb128> dholbach, the developer mode has to do with password, that can be pincode or passphrase
[12:57] <dholbach> seb128, what am I supposed to do with your reply? :)
[12:57] <ogra_> (zero QA ... not planned to go onto phones etc)
[12:58] <dholbach> seb128, I can't add a pincode (step 1) to enable developer mode (step 2) :)
[12:58] <seb128> dholbach, well, try to change the unlock mode rather than the PIN
[12:58] <seb128> dholbach, PIN is a SIM card thing
[12:58] <dholbach> sorry, in the german translation it says PIN
[12:58] <seb128> dholbach, go to settings about -> dev mode, select the bottom item to change auth mode
[12:58] <seb128> can you select passphrase?
[12:59] <seb128> what is not working when you select a pin?
[12:59] <ogra_> yeah, in german it somehow is "PIN" and "SIM-PIN"
[12:59] <dholbach> yes, but when I try to set the password, it says "security mode can't be enabled"
[12:59] <ogra_> not sure why :P
[12:59] <dholbach> or whatever the English equivalent is
[12:59] <dholbach> same as with the pincode
[12:59] <seb128> mterry, ^ do you have any idea about that?
[13:00] <nik90> ogra_: so I should be testing stuff on which channel exactly? devel ?
[13:00]  * ogra_ would just say "its wily, who cares" but i guess a few people would disagree
[13:00] <seb128> dholbach, seems like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1460017
[13:00] <dholbach> ah ok
[13:00] <seb128> dholbach, is that the first boot after install? try to reboot
[13:00] <ogra_> nik90, one fo the rc-proposed ones
[13:00] <dholbach> no, not first boot
[13:01] <seb128> dholbach, weird :-/ maybe try to reboot anyway...
[13:01] <nik90> ogra_: ack.
[13:01] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, I disagree, wily is trunk and where most of the bugfixes land, we have a stack of improvements and fixes that are not in the vivid overlay
[13:01] <dholbach> seb128, I just rebooted, but I'll try to again
[13:01] <seb128> dholbach, sorry, dunno then :-/
[13:01] <mterry> seb128, dholbach: huh, reading
[13:02] <ogra_> seb128, and wily is planned to break heavily soon
[13:02] <seb128> ogra_, well, we need somewhere to land fixes
[13:02] <seb128> unsure where that is
[13:02] <ogra_> seb128, i wouldnt even test against any of tehse images, i have no idea who made such insane requirements
[13:03] <ogra_> seb128, imho it should be somewhere else ... or snappy development for phones needs to be somewhere else
[13:03] <ogra_> either way the two wont go well together i guess ... until snappy is stabilized
[13:03] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, just saying that atm we don't have any place where to do phone work
[13:03] <ogra_> vivid+overlay ...
[13:03] <seb128> ogra_, we have fixes landing in vcs trunk, but that's mapped to no usable serie
[13:03] <seb128> ogra_, haha, good one
[13:03] <ogra_> probably we should have vivid+overlay+overlay ;)
[13:03] <seb128> yeah
[13:03] <seb128> well maybe it's better after ota4
[13:04] <seb128> but atm with things frozen it sucks
[13:04] <mterry> seb128, dholbach: not sure why that would happen specifically, seems like wizard fails to set password, but it's really weird that a reboot fixes it
[13:05] <dholbach> mterry, let me see if a reboot fixes it over here
[13:05] <dupingping> How can i get ubuntu touch source?
[13:05] <seb128> mterry, dholbach's case seems different, it's not after first boot for him
[13:05] <mterry> seb128, dholbach: ah
[13:05] <dupingping> It's very urgent.
[13:05] <seb128> mterry, but it's the same error
[13:05] <dupingping> How can i get Ubuntu Touch source?
[13:05] <dupingping> It's close source?
[13:05] <seb128> dupingping, sources are in launchpad
[13:05] <dupingping> or open source?
[13:06] <dupingping> seb128, oh, sir. let me try.
[13:06] <seb128> dupingping, http://code.launchpad.net/<source> for <source> you are interested in
[13:06] <seb128> dupingping, e.g https://code.launchpad.net/telephony-service to pick a random component
[13:07] <dupingping> it shows me something.
[13:07] <nik90> ogra_: what's the difference between ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer and ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu ?
[13:07] <dupingping> But I could not choose anyone.
[13:09] <nik90> ogra_: nvr mind I see the following statement "Channel with a developer-oriented custom tarball, including extra payload useful for app-developers"
[13:25] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, there’s one autopilot test that’s broken in the keyboard-navigation branch, I’ve commented on the MR
[13:28] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: weird, they all worked when i tried them. looking
[13:51] <elopio> Elleo: do you have a guide of how to add layouts to the keyboard?
[13:53] <Elleo> elopio: not really, I started writing one; but it's rather incomplete and I'm currently in the process of completely changing the way layouts are created (making them *much* simpler, and possible to be distributed as click packages)
[13:53] <Elleo> elopio: so its probably best to wait until the new layout mechanism lands before embarking on the creation of any new layouts
[13:54] <Elleo> elopio: as the new ones are basically just simple json files that are incredibly easy to create, instead of whole custom QML layouts as the current ones are
[13:54] <elopio> Elleo: ok. I want to write a simple one for Esperanto, so when you have something ready, let me know and I'll beta test it :)
[13:54] <Elleo> elopio: okay, cool :)
[13:54] <elopio> Elleo: what I saw was a lot of duplication, for the normal, email and url mode.
[13:55] <Elleo> elopio: the old mechanism was nasty in a whole number of ways, which is why I'm glad to be replacing it ;)
[13:55] <elopio> ok, thank you.
[13:55] <elopio> I'll wait.
[13:57] <Elleo> elopio: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/keyboard_layout.json <-- this is basically all you have to do now to create all the layouts (it's using escaped unicode in that example, but it should work with unicode chars directly embedded in the json too)
[13:58] <Elleo> email/url are still fully defined layouts, so there's still potentially some duplication there, but overall its much simpler
[13:59] <elopio> Elleo: cool, +1.
[13:59] <elopio> yes, I see {"shifted": ["Q", "1"], "default": ["q", "1"]}, three times.
[13:59] <elopio> might be nice to define a section that applies to all the modes.
[13:59] <elopio> but that's just a detail, this is a huge improvement already.
[13:59] <popey> Elleo: do you have an ETA on when that will be done?
[14:00] <Elleo> elopio: yeah, that'd need some co-ordination with the skeyer team though, as these json files are also used to provide spatial information for much better auto-correct
[14:00] <elopio> oh, nice.
[14:01] <Elleo> popey: I have stuff that roughly works for a couple of layouts (with bugs) now, there's probably another few weeks of work in it, but I have some other content-hub stuff to do this sprint, so probably won't be finished for another sprint or two
[14:01] <popey> ok
[14:01] <Mirv> Elleo: there's an old spreadsheet request about "prototype of integration with libskeyer". can it be removed or do you + bfiller want eg a wily or dual landing silo for it for testing?
[14:03] <Elleo> Mirv: as far as I'm concerned it probably isn't needed (we can create a new silo when all this is actually ready); bfiller ^?
[14:03] <bfiller> Elleo: it's fine to free it
[14:04] <Mirv> Elleo: bfiller: thanks, cleaning up
[14:11] <elopio> ping boiko: I'm trying to make a test with UriHandler. I'm looking at your code here and trying to understand how it works:
[14:11] <elopio> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/messaging-app/trunk/view/head:/src/qml/messaging-app.qml#L153
[14:11] <elopio> boiko: when you launch the application with message:///test, then that will be passed to the qml in uris?
[14:12] <boiko> elopio: when launching with URIs, it will be handle by the C++ code
[14:13] <elopio> boiko: but that's because you are calling application.parseArgument? or it will never hit this code?
[14:13] <boiko> elopio: that line is for when the app is already running and an URI is passed to the app via url-dispatcher
[14:13] <elopio> interesting.
[14:14] <boiko> elopio: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/messaging-app/trunk/view/head:/src/messagingapplication.cpp#L84
[14:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, could you take a look at what I added to the punch list?
[14:17] <jgdx> I think we'd best warn in that case as well
[14:18] <kenvandine> agreed
[14:19] <kenvandine> it's inline with what we decided for the other case
[14:19] <kenvandine> so good
[14:48] <nik90> popey: quick question, I flashed ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer and it doesn't seem to have the ubuntu-sdk-15.04 framework..Isn't this the channel from which OTA-4 will be cut?
[14:48] <nik90> or do I need to be on ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer to get it?
[14:48] <popey> hm, I honestly don't know.
[14:48] <popey> I don't think it's going to come from that channel though
[14:49] <popey> more likely from a -proposed one
[14:49] <nik90> I will flash the rc-proposed one and check now
[14:49] <popey> sil2100: will know where the image comes from for ota4
[14:50] <sil2100> nik90: the image will be taken from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/*
[14:51] <sil2100> nik90: it will only be copied to the rc channel once preliminary tests pass
[14:51] <nik90> sil2100: what is the purpose of the ubuntu-touch/rc/* channel for a beta tester/user
[14:51] <ogra_> it is the "stable" channel
[14:51] <sil2100> Not really stable ;)
[14:52] <nik90> ogra_: well there is ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu for that ;)
[14:52] <sil2100> The rc channel is like the preliminary place for stable images
[14:52] <nik90> sil2100: ah ok..I understand
[14:52] <sil2100> So, the idea of the rc channel currently is - the stable channel in theory gets updates once per month, while RC can get those more often, we copy images there once QA is done with testing
[14:52] <ogra_> nik90, ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu is a community channel ... different images
[14:53] <sil2100> But we only copy images from the rc channel to stable once we have an OTA planned and the device manufacturers are happy with the images
[14:53] <sil2100> (at least until we still ask manufacturers for feedback before release)
[14:56] <nik90> ack.
[15:21] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I found a few more functional issues on the keyboard navigation branch, commented there
[15:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, caught up with basic auth, i will try to address them all before the end of today or first thing tomororw
[15:21] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, thanks
[15:28] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, unrelated, but there are conflicts when merging https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/merge-url-functions/+merge/257641 into trunk, when you have a moment can you resolve them?
[15:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: wow, that's an old one
[15:31] <oSoMoN> yeah, it had fallen off my radar, let’s try to merge it with the next landing
[16:08] <elopio> tedg: I now can launch the application with url-dispatcher. But if the application is already opened, and I call url-dispatcher on it, it's closed.
[16:08] <elopio> should that scenario be supported with what you told me to do?
[16:11] <brunch875> DAMNIT! This wifi is terrible! Is tethering implemented yet?
[16:16] <tedg> elopio, Is it focused? And then you're sending a new URL to it?
[16:17] <elopio> yes, and yes.
[16:17] <kenvandine> brunch875, it is real close
[16:17] <kenvandine> wifi hotspot that is
[16:17] <kenvandine> i think usb tethering already works... if you know the magic to enable it :)
[16:18] <dupingping> mlt, hi
[16:18] <elopio> tedg: yes, and yes. (forgot the ping)
[16:19] <tedg> elopio, So that could be a shell bug, we just in that case ask for it to be focused. Not sure what they do with an app that is focused that focuses again.
[16:19] <elopio> tedg: let me try unfocused.
[16:32] <dobey> why is adb so fidgety on devel-proposed?
[16:33] <ogra_> dobey, because devel proposed isnt for using it ?
[16:33] <ogra_> thats wily
[16:33] <ogra_> (probably adb knows that :) )
[16:34] <dobey> ogra_: right, and i am trying to test stuff for landing in wily. but i don't see why adb would be affected and my phablet-shell session would keep getting disconnected
[16:35] <ogra_> yeah, i dont know either ... i really dont get how we can say on one hand "wily isnt for phones" and also plan to break it to a point where it will be unbootable for a while and at the same time ask people to test there
[16:36] <dobey> ogra_: well, i guess we can't really break it to the point it's unbootable, since proposed migration blocks on a boot test for things that are shipped on the phone images?
[16:36] <ogra_> we will have to
[16:37] <ogra_> else we wont be able to switch to snappy
[16:37] <dobey> anyway, we aren't at that point yet
[16:37] <ogra_> at some point we will need to replace the initrd
[16:37] <dobey> so i don't see why adb is having issues *now*
[16:37] <ogra_> i dont either
[16:37] <ogra_> what device is that
[16:37] <dobey> mako
[16:38] <ogra_> well, i dont think anything changed in adb since several months
[16:38] <dobey> right, and the android bits are the same as in vivid/rtm images, no?
[16:39] <ogra_> in facct adb hasnt even been rebuilt in wily
[16:39] <dobey> oh
[16:39] <ogra_> the android package has though ... but only for dropping the remaining dead code of grouper
[16:39] <dobey> hmmm
[16:40] <ogra_> (and it hardcodes its own toolchain, so shouldnt be binary different to vivid)
[16:44] <ogra_> dobey, if it would be really flaky i would expect plars to scream and shout though ... could it be your host ?
[16:45] <dobey> ogra_: i guess it could be, but i've only just started having these issues the past couple of days (granted, i haven't actually done any testing on the device for a while, and was on vacation last week)
[16:46] <plars> dobey: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu seems to be booting on mako ok for the most part
[16:47] <dobey> plars: yeah, it boots and works mostly fine for me. i'm only having a problem with adb being flaky while i'm trying to use phablet-shell
[16:47] <plars> 214 at least got that far, but we did have some test failures it looks like. As for the boottest process, that only runs on krillin
[16:47] <dobey> or maybe it's not adb that's flaky, but sshd?
[16:47] <plars> ah
[16:47] <plars> dobey: for smoke runs, we do things over adb. I have problems with ssh a lot to phones here lately when trying to mess with adt-run and boottest though
[16:48] <plars> lots of adt-run failures with 255, which means some command it was running over ssh died because of ssh I believe
[16:48] <dobey> oh
[16:48] <dobey> so i guess you are seeing the same issue :)
[16:48] <plars> for smoke runs though ssh doesn't get used
[16:52] <taiebot> Love the new header animation on shorts-reboot. Is it a design decision ? In other word will it be used in other apps?
[16:54] <brunch875> kenvandine: I'm glad you guys almost have the wifi tethering done. Keep up the good work!
[16:54] <brunch875> usb tethering refused to work on my old android for some reason
[16:55] <brunch875> ubuntu has great potential
[17:45] <xdfh> Hi! Here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/devices/ it was mentioned that there is a community edition of ubuntu touch for nexus 7 (2012), but here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices there is no link for install, is it possible to install ubuntu on 2012 revision of nexus 7 ?
[17:46] <Eks> Hi everyone, how can I fix my gps ?? When I try to use maps a message says geolocation failed
[17:50] <Eks> Is there no way to make Ubuntu works?
[18:04] <dobey> ogra_: ah, so. apparently the usb 2.x header in my pc case is acting up now. :(
[18:04] <dobey> xdfh: no, there is no image build for it any more
[18:04] <xdfh> what's a pity!:(
[18:05] <dobey> xdfh: the first link says "may be" (not that there is, only that it's a possibility that someone might build one)
[18:06] <dobey> xdfh: unfortunately, it's a tegra device, so the hardware is not really usable with the current aosp and ubuntu versions as i understand it
[18:07] <xdfh> isn't a cyanogen mode based on aosp? it works on 2012 nexus
[18:08] <dobey> i don't know what the cm build for the 2012 n7 is comprised of
[18:08] <dobey> maybe the xda-dev forum has more info about that
[18:12] <xdfh> CyanogenMod 12.0, ROM for the Nexus 7  Contributors Thömy ROM OS Version: 5.0.x Lollipop ROM Kernel: Linux 3.1.x Based On: AOSP
[18:15] <mcphail> Ha - just created the world's least friendly app for Ubuntu - a syncthing client which runs in the background
[18:15] <mcphail> Works well but needs command-line configuration
[18:16] <mcphail> Proof, however, that complex apps can run in the background without special permissions
[18:25] <taiebot> eks: which device?
[18:36] <dobey> taiebot: eks left :)
[18:37] <taiebot> dobey: thanks for letting me know
[18:43] <ahoneybun> http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/06/03/huawei-announces-the-ascend-p8-lite-for-the-us-slick-5-design-dual-sim-and-a-snapdragon-615-for-250-unlocked/
[18:43] <ahoneybun> we should try to port to this'
[18:43] <ahoneybun> 250 unlocked in the US
[18:43] <ahoneybun> dual sim
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/You-Can-Now-Install-and-Test-Unity-8-and-Mir-in-Any-Supported-Ubuntu-OS-483206.shtml
[18:48] <taiebot> ahoneybun. my next phone will be supported by ubuntu, Sim free and powerfull :-D. I do think patience is a virtue.
[18:49] <dobey> ahoneybun: i think it's 'blue' that also makes dual sim phones for us market, if you want a moderate dual sim phone
[18:50] <ahoneybun> BLU
[18:50] <ahoneybun> yea they do and unlocked as well.
[18:51] <taiebot> ahoneybun unlock means sim free no?
[18:51] <ahoneybun> no?
[18:51] <ahoneybun> my phone is unlocked and it has a SIM
[18:51] <ahoneybun> unlock means no contact unless you sign on
[18:51] <ahoneybun> e
[18:51] <ahoneybun> I jump between Cricket and Ting
[18:51] <ahoneybun> no contact to say with one or the other
[18:52] <zombienerd> locked/unlocked refers to the network provider.
[18:52] <zombienerd> A locked phone can only be used on one network, generally the one who sold the phone
[18:52] <dobey> ahoneybun: "sim free" means "sim unlocked"
[18:52] <ahoneybun> hell even Verizon has SIM cards
[18:52] <ahoneybun> oh?
[18:52] <taiebot> ahoneybun ok we are on the same page i though you were saying unlock boot loader
[18:52] <ahoneybun> no no
[18:53] <dobey> verizon doesn't have sim cards
[18:53] <ahoneybun> 4G SIM cards
[18:53] <zombienerd> My last three verizon phones had simds
[18:53] <zombienerd> sims*
[18:53] <zombienerd> Motorola Droid 2 Global, Motorola Droid 4, and Samsung Galaxy Stratosphere 2
[18:54] <dobey> had sims, or had sim slots?
[18:54] <zombienerd> Sims.
[18:54] <ahoneybun> HTC One M7 needed a 4G SIM card to use the their 4G network
[18:54] <zombienerd> I still have my old Verizon sim cards from before I switched to AT&T
[18:54] <taiebot> i like the new meizu m2 which can do either two sim card or one sim + an Sd card
[18:54]  * ahoneybun is with Cricket (AT&T)
[18:55] <dobey> oh, maybe they are moving into the modern age now then
[18:55] <dobey> well, aside from the fact that it's still a total ripoff
[18:55] <ahoneybun> true
[18:56] <zombienerd> I just wish they'd squash the tethering bug for Mako already.. I need to tether.
[20:36] <dobey> hmm, oxide and QtNetwork are using different ssl certificate stores?
[20:50] <brunch875> Telegram is running very very very very slowly. Is there any folder I can delete to "reset" it?
[21:06] <brunch875> /home/phablet/.cache/com.ubuntu.telegram/ <---- I deleted this folder and now telegram goes torpedo-fast
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> no auto cache cleaning inside?
[21:10] <brunch875> I would get rid of cache altogether... it seems to do more harm than good
[21:10] <brunch875> I noticed no difference after deleting that folder other than the speed enhancement
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> i do the same on firefox, cache buffer 0
[21:11] <nvidiaw> what do you have to type to get windows on the phone?
[21:12] <lotuspsychje> nvidiaw: on wich phone
[21:12] <nvidiaw> bq e4.5
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> nvidiaw: why do you want windows on an ubuntu phone?
[21:13] <nvidiaw> i like windows :D
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> nvidiaw: i think you better join in ##windows then
[21:13] <nvidiaw> :)) probably
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> nvidiaw: you dont like ubuntu touch?
[21:14] <nvidiaw> i love it
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> nvidiaw: you wanna dualboot touch and windows then?
[21:15] <nvidiaw> ah.. no... i just want windows
[21:15] <nvidiaw> windowed mode
[21:16] <nvidiaw> never mind :P
[21:16] <dobey> you want to use your phone like a normal pc you mean?
[21:17] <dobey> the e4.5 does not have that feature, and it is not ready yet. the first phone with convergence support will be out later this year
[21:17] <nvidiaw> i know, i just want to play with the windowed mode
[21:17] <dobey> so short answer is "wait patiently" :)
[21:18] <nvidiaw> waiting :D
[21:18] <brunch875> will anything break if I wipe the .cache folder?
[21:18] <dobey> brunch875: if it does, it's a bug
[21:19]  * brunch875 goes at it
[21:23] <nvidiaw> it think i found it :D hehe gsettings list-keys com.canonical.Unity8
[21:23] <brunch875> well, almost everything is reloading now as if I just installed it
[21:23] <nvidiaw> and there is usage-mode - probably windowed
[21:24] <brunch875> but some apps seem to be running faster
[21:24] <brunch875> (which makes the uu game more difficult!)
[21:25] <cm-t> staying at  lvl 84 for a week ! (uu)
[21:26]  * brunch875 is at 186
[21:26] <cm-t> wow
[21:27] <brunch875> we gotta nag the author to add high-scores
[21:27] <brunch875> online highscores
[21:27] <brunch875> I wonder if there's a level limit
[21:27] <brunch875> for me the sticks are now larger than the horizontal space
[21:28]  * brunch875 is off to sleep
[21:38] <nvidiaw> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Windowed
[21:38] <nvidiaw> works :D windows on the phone
[21:39] <mariogrip> nvidiaw: also you can use the openstore to download an app called TweakGeek, that has a settin for window mode
[21:39] <mariogrip> https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/tweakgeek.mzanetti
[21:40] <nvidiaw> uuuuuuuuu nice! thanks!
[21:43] <mariogrip> nvidiaw: if i remember correctly you might need to run 15.04 (rc_ to use window mode, but you can give it a try.
[21:44] <mariogrip> (rc (or better) channel)
[22:18] <nvidiaw> q
[23:47] <yaya> hello sir
[23:47] <yaya> are you there?
[23:49] <yaya> i need htc desire bravo rom for ubuntu manufacture by nikoz but how i download   http://downloads.nikez.nu/ wapsite not working
[23:58] <OerHeks> yaya, that post from nikoz was 2013, and points originally to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip i think


[09:50] <vil> doko: ping
[10:22] <doko> vil:pong
[10:24] <vil> looking at the eclipse-cdt build traces, i found that we do not have eclipse-3.2.1 for sparc
[10:24] <vil> some platform dependent sources for sparc are missing in the upstream
[10:25] <vil> is it ok, that eclipse-cdt-3.1.1 will be missing for sparc too?
[10:30] <doko> vil: sure, or else fix it to build on sparc =)
[10:30] <vil> right, veeeery funny :)
[10:35] <vil> doko: ademan had also nice idea that update-java-alternatives will make eclipse use the prefered VM. i guess that the update-java-alternatives can reorder the /etc/eclipse/java_home file.
[10:35] <vil> do you agree?
[10:38] <doko> vil: I don't know what to agree to ...
[10:40] <vil> doko: just asking if you consider this change useful
[10:42] <vil> update-java-alternatives comes from java-common, which comes from main. so i can only make some diff, but the upload would be yours
[10:48] <doko> vil: no, we are not allowed to change the config file of another package
[10:49] <vil> doko: ok, so is there other way to make eclipse use JVM selected by update-java-alternatives?
[10:50] <doko> vil: yes, use /usr/bin/java
[10:50] <doko> but then you have to check that this version is not configured to point to a vm which doesn't run eclipse
[10:52] <vil> doko: understood
[10:53] <vil> maybe /usr/bin/java isn't optimal because the JVM for eclipse is specified by a -vm param rather than the java binary
[10:53] <vil> anyway, modifying the eclipse startup script sounds like the prefered way
[10:54] <vil> thx for consultation
[10:58] <doko> np
[10:58] <doko> btw, will you be at fosdem?
[11:02] <vil> doko: unfortunately not, i will be at a trip in the states at that time.
[11:03] <vil> i have seen some people discussing it at debian-java
[02:02] <vil> doko: still cannot build it at ia64, could you please have a look at http://librarian.launchpad.net/5619195/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-ia64.eclipse-cdt_3.1.1-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:04] <doko> vil: don't know, but that is wrong: /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/bin/java -Dgnu.gcj.precompiled.db.path=/var/lib/gcj-4.0/classmap.db -cp /usr/lib/eclipse/startup.jar \
[02:04] <doko> the 4.0
[02:05] <vil> doko: oops
[02:05] <vil> what is this classmap.db used for?
[02:08] <doko> it's a lookup table which binary to load for which .class file
[02:09] <vil> doko: i can upload yet another version fixing this but it does not seem to matter so much as i386, amd64 and powerpc builds succeeded
[02:10] <vil> don't you know of any ia64 machine where i could experiment with the build. that log is not really very useful
[02:12] <doko> vil: no, currently not
[02:15] <vil> doko: do you consider s/4.0/4.1 worth making yet another package version?
[02:16] <vil> i understand it like that it fails to find the precompiled natives only while compiling  the eclipse-cdt. that can be acceptable
[02:18] <doko> exactly, that's not the primary failure
[03:38] <vil> doko: yesterday you mentioned that we need to fix eclipse. what is the problem?
[03:39] <doko> vil: it's the outstanding SRU, uploaded today.
[03:53] <vil> doko: i give up, didn't find it anywhere. where was it uploaded?
[03:54] <doko> vil: oh, it's still in the queue, needs manual approval
[03:55] <vil> doko: ok, will check that later. there is a long waiting problem with subclipse / subversion in eclipse. don't you know anything about it?
[03:57] <doko> sorry, no
[03:58] <vil> doko: and finally
[03:59] <vil> can update-java-alternatives set JAVA_HOME system-wide?
[03:59] <doko> no
[03:59] <vil> JAVA_HOME is a common java variable and is utilized by plenty of others apps
[04:00] <doko> no debian application should rely on environment variables
[04:00] <vil> doko: this channel is called #ubuntu-java ;)
[04:00] <vil> np, i will find something else
[04:01] <doko> maybe, but adding something like this makes packages very incompatible ...
[09:01] <vil> doko: back to the eclipse and jvm
[09:01] <vil> do we need to check if the jvm is eclipse compatible?
[09:08] <vil> can the /usr/bin/java be set to a jvm that cannot run eclipse?
[09:10] <doko> kaffe, cacao, sablevm?
[09:13] <vil> honestly, i don't know them
[09:14] <vil> i was just wondering, if we can get rid of all the -vm -install -startup paramters in the /usr/bin/eclipse script
[09:17] <vil> doko: does any of kaffe, cacao, sablevm a record in the java-alternatives?
[09:18] <vil> in any case -install -startup seem redundant to me
[09:18] <doko> yes, they provide alternatives
[09:19] <vil> doko: i just tried to install sablevm and kaffe packages and the only alternatives i get are gcj and sun
[09:20] <doko> update-alternatives, not update-java-alternatives
[09:24] <vil> doko: ok, get it, we could check if /usr/bin/java is listed in /etc/eclipse/java_home
[09:24] <vil> btw. /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun is still not listed there
[09:26] <doko> vil: I didn't do an upload after the sun-java6 upload ;p
[09:35] <vil> doko: i will give you rest for today. have a nice evening
[09:35] <doko> heh, np


[00:00] <pleia2> Peacimowen: sound issues are always pretty tricky, have you tried searching ubuntuforums.org ?
[00:01] <pleia2> Peacimowen: also, maybe pastebin output of aplay -l
[00:01] <Peacimowen> I've been googling for a while.
[00:03] <Peacimowen> http://pastebin.com/WU7dKXC5
[00:15] <Peacimowen> pleia2: Thing is, I used to have sound, but after I had to reset the computer yesterday, both sound and display (x.org) broke somehow. I fixed X by re-installing the nVidia drivers as bts had suggsted, but sound doesn't look so simple to fix.
[00:27] <Peacimowen> So, plenty of things tell me the sound card is there, but everything that tries to access it tells me it isn't.
[00:34] <Peacimowen> oh, sound DOES work as root. Interesting.
[00:34] <pleia2> Peacimowen: maybe check mixer levels? (sometimes when I reboot sound comes back muted)
[00:39] <Peacimowen> and there ya have it.. restarting fixed it, somehow.
[00:52] <jst_> Does anyone know if Exaile will be the default media player in 10.04?
[00:52] <jst_> (My vote is for Parole or VLC) :)
[02:22] <mohadila> helloo...
[02:22] <mohadila> how to install bluetooth in xubuntu..
[02:23] <mohadila> my computer cannot detect it
[04:15] <wyclif> hi all
[04:16] <Balsaq> welcome wyclif
[04:18] <wyclif> it's kind of dead in here
[04:18] <Balsaq> that means xubuntu is performing flawlessly
[04:19] <wyclif> Balsaq: hahaha too true
[04:20] <wyclif> actually I found out that if you install xubuntu and ask a generic ubuntu question in the #ubuntu channel, they sometimes ask users to come over here
[04:20] <Balsaq> yes i have seen quite a few ubuntites here
[04:21] <Balsaq> welcome C00LARR0w
[04:22] <C00LARR0w> Balsaq: thanks
[04:22] <wyclif> here's a question: I had a straight up ubuntu karmic install on this IBM t40 laptop I'm using now. Then I tried installing xubuntu Karmic on it because I wanted to go lighter, but now I can't boot from the HDD and I'm now working off the live CD
[04:23] <wyclif> technically, the only difference between those distros is the stuff unique to xubuntu; the were both Karmic, but ubuntu "just worked" whereas xubuntu broke things.
[04:24] <Balsaq> did you want both or only xubuntu
[04:24] <wyclif> i like the idea of xubuntu, but I'd really really like to have a working system :D
[04:24] <wyclif> just xubuntu
[04:24] <Balsaq> hmmm standby.
[04:25] <wyclif> fortunately I backed up everything and have my /home directory backed up online
[04:31] <Balsaq> does it still boot ubuntu from hd?
[04:36] <wyclif> no, I wiped the hd by installing xubuntu
[04:37] <wyclif> I'm sad, because xfce looks pretty sweet.
[04:38] <wyclif> I also am liking Thunar
[04:41] <Balsaq> what ext is it in
[04:45] <wyclif> ext4
[04:45] <wyclif> that's the default
[04:46] <Balsaq> i think 3 or 4 is fine...
[04:46] <Balsaq> which version?
[04:48] <Balsaq> oh i see karmic
[04:48] <Balsaq> so 4 is it
[04:48] <wyclif> yeah, Karmic, using ext4
[04:49] <Balsaq> what is bios set to boot from?
[04:49] <wyclif> well, I reset the BIOS to boot from the CD when I installed
[04:50] <Balsaq> so you say now xubuntu is on the HD
[04:50] <Balsaq> and is the only OS
[04:50] <wyclif> yes, the install was successful, I just can't boot the system
[04:50] <wyclif> yes that's correct
[04:51] <Balsaq> when it wont boot...do you by chance end up on ablack screen with nothing but a lil whit box blinking in the top left of the screen?
[04:51] <Balsaq> white*
[04:51] <wyclif> no
[04:51] <wyclif> I get dumped into the grub menu
[04:51] <Balsaq> so grub needs repaired i guess
[04:52] <wyclif> when I try to boot in recovery mode, I can't do that either, I get an error, then when I press Enter I'm put back at the grub menu again
[04:52] <wyclif> I can't boot with any of the options the default grub menu gives me
[04:53] <wyclif> when I choose either normal boot or recovery boot, I get a "device not found" error.... then Enter and back to the menu again
[04:54] <wyclif> there's also a string there, as in "device<PHONE_NUMBER>214eqwripewrqw not found...."
[04:56] <wyclif> gonna step out for a smoke, brb thanks
[05:00] <Balsaq> kk
[06:46] <Qaslab> its just me...
[07:14] <wyclif> ok back...system still not booting though
[07:16] <Sysi> 10.04 is rc now or soon, it could be worth a try
[07:16] <Sysi> but i shouldn't recommend it
[08:31] <wyclif> hi all
[14:55] <solotim> hi, group , can I remove xubuntu-desktop after installed icewm?
[14:59] <knome> solotim, xubuntu-desktop is just a meta package, it won't remove any software
[15:00] <solotim> knome: thank you. If I am not going to use xfce utilities any more, which packages I can remove safely?
[15:00] <knome> there's no clear answer to that
[15:01] <knome> you can get some idea from the list of packages the xubuntu-desktop meta package "depends" on
[15:07] <solotim> thank you
[15:09] <knome> no problem
[16:01] <Sysi> knome: don't you remember that bot knows everything? :)
[18:10] <aberhow> is there a way to have xfce4-terminal launch a command? like i can do "xterm ntop" and it'll open an xterm with ntop running in it.
[18:11] <Sysi> you can make such in panel and desktop
[18:11] <Sysi> or xfce4-terminal -x command
[18:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello Sysi  :-)
[18:11] <Sysi> ohai
[18:14] <aberhow> dang
[18:14] <aberhow> thanks Sysi
[18:14] <charlie-tca> aberhow: use 'byobu' which allows screen to run in the terminal. Also, checkmark in the launcher, 'Run in terminal'
[18:14] <aberhow> someone needs to update the man page for xfce4-terminal
[18:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello charlie-tca  :-)
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Hello, Sachse_Siechtum
[18:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, whats up?
[18:32] <charlie-tca> lucid RC!
[18:33] <charlie-tca> aberhow: that would be a bug report to xfce - http://bugzilla.xfce.org
[18:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> lucid rc1 ...no beta?
[18:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> -1
[18:34] <Sysi> do we now have thunar working correctly with removable drives?
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Beta 1 and Beta 2 been done
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Sysi: as far as I know
[18:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> is there a live cd image for lucid?
[18:35] <Sysi> so i haven't installed updates to netbook
[18:35] <Sysi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/
[18:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> "This is a testing build designed for developers and is not suggested for anyone looking for a stable system."
[18:36] <charlie-tca> That is the daily. The RC will be in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases
[18:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-(
[18:36] <charlie-tca> (although they will be the same today
[18:36] <charlie-tca> )
[18:37] <charlie-tca> The daily is always a testing build. the RC though should be stable. It is the last step before the final release next week
[18:38] <charlie-tca> We do not expect anything to break now
[18:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> well I gonna wait til the final comes out...because in that time I will have my new usb stick which I gonna need to secure my music
[18:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[18:38]  * Sachse_Siechtum gives charlie-tca  a piece of his birthday cake...a swedish apple pie
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Wow! Thank you very much
[18:40]  * charlie-tca has coffee with the birthday cake
[18:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> sweet :-)
[18:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> my judo teacher who is also a backery master gave me the cake today..
[18:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> its a huge cake
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Very nice
[18:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah :-)
[18:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> (THE CAKE IS A LIE!) *g*
[18:44]  * charlie-tca thinks that will be filed under 'not so nice'
[18:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> its an insider...people who played "Portal" will know *g*
[19:26] <Sysi> many are saying that ubuntu is stable maybe two weeks after release..
[19:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, I heard that one before :-)
[19:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> ( I love Compiz Fusion!)
[19:33] <Sysi> xfce's copositing ♥
[19:33] <Sysi> *compo
[19:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> Xfwm4?
[19:41] <Sysi> that
[19:41] <moetunes> in the settings manager is an option for window manager tweaks which lets you set up compositing Sachse_Siechtum
[19:42] <moetunes> it's not the cube but transparent unfocused windows, menus etc
[19:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> I see
[19:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> moetunes, I dont use the cube :-)
[19:51] <moetunes> I like the transparent unfocused windows - doesn't use much resources here either
[19:51] <slow-motion> hi
[19:51] <Sysi> i have resourses to be used..
[19:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> I like the animations...makes Xfce look much smoother :-)
[19:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> and I like the transparencies....
[19:52] <moetunes> :]
[19:52] <Sysi> i can't get nice workspace switches with compiz
[19:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just use one workspace
[19:53] <Sysi> it didn't wotk with xfwm, or i fail
[19:53] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm
[19:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> afaik you can configure switching workspaces to death in compiz...
[19:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> with mousekeys or keyboard...
[19:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> (oh noes...my piece of cake just fell over)
[19:55] <Sysi> it could work with xfmw in a way i want
[19:55] <Sysi> i'll try again some day
[19:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[19:55] <Sysi> compiz window swithes are cool
[19:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[19:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have keyboard strokes for 3 different ones :-)
[19:56] <Sysi> i had too
[19:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> alt+tab , super+tab and ctrl+tab
[19:56] <Sysi> but i got headache with workspace-switch
[19:57] <Sysi> 22 inches turning around..
[19:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm
[19:57] <Sysi> expecially with 2
[19:58] <Sachse_Siechtum> *g*
[20:17] <Sysi> bad networking at school
[20:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-(
[20:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> afk reading about new hardware standards (planning on building a new computer)
[22:37] <noqturnal1> Would anyone happen to know why when im logging into xubuntu 9.10 it kicks me back to the login screen
[22:37] <guest20> What flash player do you recommend installing?
[22:37] <noqturnal1> taking 3 tries sometimes to log in


[06:09] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari_ inetpro and other guys
[06:14] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:34] <sakhi> mooonin
[06:34] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[06:54] <sakhi> highvoltage: howzit going?
[06:54] <sakhi> hey Kilos how goes?
[06:55] <Kilos> lo highvoltage  well ty sakhi
[07:16] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[07:21] <Kilos> hiya inetpro
[08:38] <Kilos> hehe. new bug. try to open a text file on desktop and get told  could not display /home/miles/desktop/shifts  The location is not a folder
[08:39] <Kilos> murphy sitting vas on my sholder
[08:39] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel, sal jy
[08:41] <Kilos> but can open with gedit and notepad and oo
[08:41] <Kilos> ??
[08:54] <Kilos> Could not display "/home/miles/Desktop/new file".
[08:54] <Kilos> the file is of an unknown type ?
[08:55] <Kilos> i just made it
[08:59] <Kilos> is that the nautilus dropbox not starting?
[08:59] <Kilos> i dunno whats a dropbox
[09:18] <Kilos> google ubuntu maverick cant open a file because its not a folder
[09:18] <Kilos> lol
[14:39] <highvoltage> hey sakhi
[14:50] <nuvolari_> morning oom Kilos, superfly everyone else
[15:10] <inetpro> nuvolari_: good morning
[15:10] <inetpro> nuvolari_: you are up late dude!
[15:29] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_ inetpro
[15:29] <Kilos> and nuvolari_ got a tail
[15:32] <nuvolari_> :?
[15:32] <nuvolari_> wonder why
[15:32] <Kilos> been naughty
[15:32] <nuvolari_> it was raining ougoeters en knopkieries :O
[15:33] <Kilos> lol
[15:33] <Kilos> go /nick nuvolari
[15:33] <Kilos> i think
[15:34] <Kilos> or /msg nickserv identify password
[15:34] <Kilos> or /msg chanserv identify password
[15:35] <Kilos> one of them i think
[16:57] <Cantide> nuvolari... umm, thanks for the message, i just got it now :(
[16:57] <Cantide> I didn't realise it had been so long since i joined :-S
[16:59] <Cantide> I wouldn't have been able to attend though - I work on weekends .-.
[18:40] <inetpro> .
[18:41] <superfly> evening inetpro
[18:41] <inetpro> superfly: how's the weather down under?
[18:42] <superfly> cool, actually, and the wind has died down (at last)
[19:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:44] <afrodeity> last xorg update borked my compiz ouch
[19:45] <afrodeity> maaz: please scream
[19:45] <Maaz> afrodeity: Huh?
[19:45] <afrodeity> maaz hit somebody in a samuri outfit
[19:45] <Maaz> afrodeity: Excuse me?
[19:45] <afrodeity> silly bot,
[19:49] <Tonberry> maaz are you real?
[19:49] <Maaz> Tonberry: What?
[19:49] <Tonberry> lo.
[19:49] <Tonberry> l
[19:52] <Maaz> Hi Tonberry how are you today?
[19:52] <Tonberry> human
[19:53] <drubin> nah I was bored
[19:53] <drubin> Maaz: say Hi Tonberry
[19:53] <Maaz> Hi Tonberry
[19:53] <Tonberry> hi maaz
[21:10] <afrodeity> Now why can't the xorg updates figure out I have a manually installed nvidia driver?
[21:11] <afrodeity> maaz wack somebody over the head please
[21:11] <Maaz> afrodeity: Sorry...
[21:12] <afrodeity> no need to apologise, it just made me uninstall 1Gb of my system


[08:11] <gms> hm, is there a reason why https://lubuntu.net/downloads/ points to the 18.04 images and not to the 18.04.1 ones?
 @gms, Because we don't control that site.
 We control Lubuntu.me.
[08:13] <gms> oh
 Yup.
[08:16] <gms> whois output looks like lubuntu.me is registered by canonical - but who is controlling lubuntu.net?
 FOSSASIA
 They refuse to publish up-to-date content and refuse to work with us.
 Let's not talk more about this; it's been ongoing for several years and there's nothing new or nothing anyone can do about it yet
[08:18] <gms> I googled for lubuntu and lubuntu.net was the first hit for me
 And we can't control that, unfortunately.
[08:25] <gms> well, you could put some official statement on your lubuntu.me page - e.g. like a tag-line 'the official lubuntu home' and some longer explaining text in an easy to find FAQ entry or something like that - looking through google result this confusion seems to come up often - and if you realize that there are 2 download sites you easily get paranoid regarding the trustworthiness of the downloaded isos
 Yeah
 I can't tell you exactly why we can't do that yet, but an answer is coming.
 Believe me, as the main developer of Lubuntu, I want to see it solved, but we're working on it.
[08:30] <gms> ok
 For now, push Lubuntu.me as hard as you can, everywhere :)
[18:20] <Ascavasaion> I did a dist upgrade from 16.01.1 to 18.04.1 and the GUI does not start.  It stgarts, gives Grub menu... shows the booting progress... and then freezes.  I am guessing that it is a graphics driver issue?  the only way I get it to bot is by adding /nomodeset in grub boot options, but that is not a fix, and it does not allow me to do extended desktops as I did before the upgrade.  Any ideas please.
[18:23] <Ascavasaion> Could this be the problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1752938
[18:24] <krytarik> Ascavasaion: Please focus on one support channel at a time.
[18:24] <Ascavasaion> krytarik: Okay
[18:53] <Ascavasaion> now it does not work at all.  I can into IRC now with my phone
[18:54] <Ascavasaion> can=came
[18:56] <krytarik> After doing what you were suggested in #ubuntu?  Just undo it then?
[18:56] <Ascavasaion> even the original /nomodeset does not work. gets to the screen where the lubuntu icon is on the screen with the alternating dots to show progress.  it does not change... mouse pointer appeared but does not move either.
[18:59] <Ascavasaion> booting into recovery console to do that right now
[19:03] <Ascavasaion> it will not let me save the file
[19:03] <Ascavasaion> tells me that it can't open file for writing... in vi
[19:05] <Ascavasaion> I edited file from root console with vi. deleted that line... but when I got ESC to do the wq save it refused
[19:07] <krytarik> Ascavasaion: See https://askubuntu.com/questions/117950/how-do-i-change-file-system-in-recovery-mode-to-read-write-mode
[19:19] <Ascavasaion> Thank you krytarik ... it worked
[19:19] <Ascavasaion> Getting the fileststem mounted as read/write I mean
[19:20] <Ascavasaion> Still no wiser re the issue causing the system to hang on boot.


[08:28] <desrt> word.
[08:29]  * desrt doesn't even know why she tries before 10
[08:29] <didrocks> because there is always a little didrocks (but sometimes busy in meetings or discussions)!
[08:29] <didrocks> hello desrt
[08:30] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[08:33] <desrt> how are you sleeping these days? :)
[08:33] <didrocks> sleeping well during the week :) less the week-end as I'm charge of night shifts
[08:34] <desrt> :)
[08:34] <desrt> that's only fair
[08:34] <didrocks> but we are really lucky, apart from a small cry when he's hungry, he doesn't cry at nights
[08:34] <didrocks> so, just has to wake up now once
[08:34] <didrocks> (still short nights, but good enough ;))
[08:34] <flocculant> didrocks: I find that totally unfair after my own experiences ...
[08:34] <flocculant> :)
[08:35] <didrocks> flocculant: ahah :)
[08:35] <didrocks> yeah, I guess there are things you can't control
[08:35] <didrocks> and you are lucky or not :p
[08:35] <didrocks> (but things can change anytime apparently, so touching woods)
[08:35]  * flocculant resorted to a touch of brandy in milk on at least 1 occasion :p
[08:36] <didrocks> :)
[08:36]  * desrt grabs a piece of paper and starts writing down these tips from experienced parents
[08:37] <didrocks> don't call me "experienced" yet :)
[08:37] <didrocks> (don't know if you can call anyone experienced anyway :p)
[08:38] <flocculant> well - first one is practise anyway - write your own baby manual time :D
[08:38] <flocculant> oops - lets not do that next time :)
[08:38] <didrocks> hehe, yeah, we already have our list of things to avoid doing :p
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:51] <duflu> tjaalton: Hey, should I assume that 17.04 final will use Xorg 1.19?
[08:51] <duflu> (in other words move all Xmir development to the 1.19 branch)
[08:52] <tjaalton> duflu: yes
[08:52] <tjaalton> I'm prepping it on a ppa
[08:52] <duflu> tjaalton: Thanks. And good luck :)
[08:52] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging/+packages
[08:52] <tjaalton> just need to finish the video driver rebuilds
[08:57] <ksamak> Trevinho: hi. I've been wondering about that coding style
[08:58] <ksamak> Trevinho: you enforce it also for ifs? I really have some problems reading that style sometimes, where does that come from? Does spilsbury prefer that?
[09:00] <ksamak> and that indentation level, what's the logic for that? i've tried to keep it up in files i was modifying, but it's really a pain
[09:00] <ksamak> Trevinho: how can i set that up in vim XD ?
[09:02] <Laney> what's upppppppppppppppppppppp
[09:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: lastly, for the timer issue, i've commented that three times, i haven't had any answer, here: I tried optionGetActivateAtStartup() in the constructor, but I think GSettings aren't initialized yet if the object isn't constructed.
[09:03] <ksamak> The optionGetActivateAtStartup function only returns default value (0) if placed in constructor, or in function called by constructor. I don't know of any other mean to bypass this except a timer.
[09:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: sorry, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/showmouse_autostart_option/+merge/315652
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, flexiondotorg!
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> didrocks o/
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney flexiondotorg desrt
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Laney desrt o/
[09:12] <Laney> HEY DIDROCKS! HEY SEB!"*! HEY FLEXIONDOTORG!
[09:14] <desrt> hi laney, seb :)
[09:17] <Laney> YEEEEEEEAH HI DESRT
[09:17] <desrt> laney's keyboard is sticky this morning
[09:19] <flocculant> desrt: STICKY surely :p
[09:19] <desrt> it's the waffles
[09:20] <TheMuso> seb128, Laney: Thanks for your help the other day. Tracked down the issue, and its lightdm related. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1670933 I'm sure Robert will get to it in the next few weeks.
[09:25] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, nice that you figured it out
[09:29] <Laney> zomg
[09:29] <TheMuso> seb128: Yeah twas a head scratcher thats for sure.
[10:09] <bdrung_work> hi, my keyboard mapping in Ubuntu 16.10 is somehow broken. some keypresses result in a buttonpress event (that shows the 'xev'). when using the guest session, everything is okay. any advice where to look for a broken configuration? which component is responsible for the keymapping?
[10:10] <bdrung_work> here is the output of xev: http://paste.debian.net/918916/
[10:36]  * Laney invokes tjaalton ^- :P
[10:38] <tjaalton> well I don't know how unity messes it up ;)
[10:38] <tjaalton> or u-s-d/u-c-c
[10:38] <tjaalton> if the guest session is fine that is
[10:39] <bdrung_work> yeah! i finally found it. open unity-control-center -> universal access -> pointing and clicking -> mouse keys -> disable control the pointer using the keypad
[10:39] <tjaalton> ha
[10:39] <bdrung_work> i don't know how i could have accidentially enabled it
[10:44] <bdrung_work> another issue (which can be reproduced in a guest session): when clicking on an item in the global application menu, the menu entry opens. when moving the mouse to the left or right, the initial menu entry stays open (instead of showing the menu entry below the mouse). is that a know issue? if not, which package should i file the bug against?
[10:46] <Laney> start with unity
[10:46] <Laney> not known to me, but search Launchpad first I guess
[11:03] <bdrung_work> okay. reported the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1671432
[11:33] <Laney> bdrung_work: thanks
[11:33] <Laney> Trevinho / andyrock: ^- might be interested in that one
[11:33]  * Laney goes to make some coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:37] <andyrock> bdrung_work Laney : this is likely due to Trevinho's xi2 changes
[11:37] <andyrock> let's see if he can take a look
[11:41] <Laney> ok
[11:41] <Laney> and morning andyrock
[11:41] <andyrock> morning all
[11:41] <andyrock> :D
[11:41] <andyrock> and morning Laney
[11:41] <Laney> how's it going?
[11:42] <andyrock> working on chromium :D
[11:42] <Laney> sorry for your loss
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> chromium's not too bad to work with ;)
[12:08] <jbicha> Laney: could you look into sponsoring humanity-icon-theme and adwaita-icon-theme today?
[12:09] <Laney> I already am looking at humanity right this second
[12:09] <jbicha> cool :)
[12:17] <ximion> Laney: can you push the tags you made on the appstream-glib repo to the server? ;-)
[12:18] <Laney> ok
[12:18] <ximion> also, new asgen release, fixing a couple of issues
[12:18] <Laney> it emails me about commits
[12:18] <Laney> or tags or something
[12:18] <Laney> pushed
[12:19] <ximion> I'll also bring back the "show" command from the old dep11gen soon, so one can show all information asgen has about a package - the nautilus-plugin thing was a bit scary
[12:19] <Laney> remote: fatal: Invalid revision range<PHONE_NUMBER>000000000000000000000000000000..5f9617bc3f1bf5557b4b94b618c0a46d3c802b3d
[12:19] <Laney> WHAT
[12:19] <Laney> not pushed
[12:19] <ximion> ehhh....
[12:20] <ximion> oh, that must be your subscription settings then, I never get mail - but tbh, Github mail has been broken for me for a while (it either sends no mail or batch-sends a large chunk of ancient mail at some random point where I already read & closed issue reports)
[12:20] <Laney> wtf
[12:20] <Laney> does seem to have pushed something
[12:21] <ximion> for the Git issue: try again? :P
[12:21]  * ximion doesn't see Laney's changes at https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-packagekit/appstream-glib.git
[12:24] <Laney> I do
[12:24] <Laney> exp branch
[12:36] <ximion_> Laney: indeed - refresh is nice ^^
[12:36] <ximion_> now that the tag is there, I hope the tracker will stop nagging about it being missing :P
[12:36] <ximion_> thanks!
[12:38] <ximion> Laney: btw, a large chunk of asgen's processing time at Debian was rsyncing data to the public location - since we use a static server where data gets copied to anyway, this was completely unnecessary. With the "set your own export dirs" feature in the latest release, one run is now 20-30min faster
[12:38] <ximion> I expected some speed improvement, but this was a bit much ^^
[12:39] <Laney> O_O
[12:39] <jbicha> yeah, github email is inconsistent for me too, I get some but definitely not all emails for new comments on issues
[12:39] <Laney> does that much change each time?
[12:39] <Laney> btw branches were already pushed, just not tags
[12:39] <Laney> maybe it failed because of that weird error
[12:39] <Laney> I foudn the command in ctrl-r and re-ran it
[12:40] <ximion> ok
[12:41] <ximion> jbicha: I am thinking about disabling mailing, because it's more distractive than useful
[12:41] <ximion> I wonder if GH is aware of the issues
[12:41]  * ximion thought he was the only one
[12:42] <Laney> ximion: so setting the export dirs - will they be updated atomically?
[12:42] <Laney> launchpad rsyncs from us, so seeing an incomplete state there would be quite bad
[12:43] <ximion> Laney: they won't be updated atomically, unfortunately
[12:43] <ximion> so, in this case you won't get much from it...
[12:43] <Laney> although tbh I just do rsync --delete-after export/ public/ atm
[12:43] <Laney> so you could see half states already
[12:43] <ximion> Debian's server pushes data instead of having others pull data, so it's less of an issue
[12:43]  * Laney coughs
[12:44] <ximion> (dak pulls, however - maybe I need to rsync the data directory still, to be safe)
[12:44] <Laney> you could make it do an update-then-rename thing
[12:45] <ximion> for each html page this would be quite annoying - but possible
[12:45] <ximion> the old generator was doing this for data/hints, maybe it's worth to reintroduce that
[12:46] <Laney> or do something with hardlinks
[12:46] <ximion> for media, that effort isn't necessary (new data won't be read if the corresponding metadata file isn't there, and data is never modified in media/, only added/deleted)
[12:47] <ximion> yeah, I think write-then-rename for hints/data makes a lot of sense, and maybe it's easy for html too
[12:47]  * ximion added this to the todo list as low priority
[12:48] <Laney> interesting
[12:48] <Laney> is media deleted immediately?
[13:16] <Laney> jbicha: I get an arrow as the nautilus icon with the new packages
[13:16] <Laney> suspect it's the change in ubuntu-themes, looks like system-file-manager-panel from there
[13:17] <Laney> why are we doing this change? :/
[13:19] <jbicha> we're doing it because nautilus 3.24 is doing the change
[13:20] <Laney> that's not in zesty
[13:20] <jbicha> we could revert adwaita-icon-theme dropping the system-file-manager icon but that doesn't change the need to adapt to nautilus' icon anyway next cycle
[13:21] <Laney> you could do that, you could add symlinks in the new adwaita-icon-theme
[13:21] <jbicha> yes but like I said we'd have to do this change next cycle any way
[13:21] <Laney> I'm aware of that
[13:22] <Laney> but you wouldn't introduce bugs into zesty by doing that
[13:25] <ximion> Laney: no, media is only deleted when you do a cruft collection
[13:26] <ximion> that way, screenshots stay online for a while, in case people haven't updated their metadata yet
[13:26] <Laney> yeah, that's what I was getting at
[13:26] <Laney> I think the archives keep things around for a little while to avoid that problem
[13:26] <ximion> jup
[13:26] <ximion> there is a timeout on packages in the pool inside dak
[13:26] <ximion> I guess LP does the same
[13:53] <bdrung_work> Trevinho, regarding #1671432. do i have to restart something after changing that setting?
[13:54] <Trevinho> bdrung_work: no, it should apply instantly
[13:54] <Trevinho> it's the same as going to settings -> appearance -> behavior
[13:54] <bdrung_work> Trevinho, no, it doesn't change
[15:22] <Laney> Trevinho: weird, it happens on my desktop but not my laptop
[15:23] <Laney> if it's an XI2 problem, is that a mouse vs touchpad thing?
[15:23] <Trevinho> Laney: mhmh yeah, it might be...
[15:23]  * Laney starts ze VM
[15:23] <Trevinho> but in a VM....
[15:23] <Trevinho> mh
[15:23] <Laney> works in there
[15:41] <jbicha> Laney: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu-themes/adapt-to-nautilus-324/+merge/319453
[15:48] <Laney> done
[17:47] <Laney> jbicha: I'm going to force push over the tag you created
[17:47] <Laney> for humanity
[17:48] <jbicha> Laney: please do, I pushed the tag before I got the rejection email that said I didn't have upload rights for it
[17:49] <Laney> done
[18:56] <willcooke> nighty night
[22:12] <cyphermox> jbicha: I'm sure you know already, but I think your gnome-shell is borken.
[22:14] <jbicha> cyphermox: mine isn't but I've heard reports that things broke for some people with 3.23.91
[22:14] <jbicha> what graphics hardware do you have?
[22:14] <jbicha> and weren't you using gnome-shell because Unity was broken?
[22:15] <cyphermox> Radeon HD 7950/8950
[22:16] <cyphermox> also, http://www.ur1.ca/qmb1b
[22:16] <jbicha> there's bug 1669374 and https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354349
[22:17] <jbicha> but I think those reports are a bit jumbled, it would help if people would file new bugs at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gnome-shell
[22:17] <jbicha> if enough people file bugs, maybe the mutter/gnome-shell would not do whatever refactoring they did after the 3.23.90 Freeze
[22:18] <cyphermox> right
[22:18] <cyphermox> I'm not starting it via gdm though, gdm was failing to start, so lightdm is what starts gnome-shell right now
[22:19] <jbicha> because 3.23.90 worked for you, right? and did it break with mutter 3.23.91?
[22:19] <cyphermox> downgrading gnome-shell and gnome-shell-common fixes it
[22:19] <cyphermox> ah, is there new mutter too?
[22:19] <jbicha> did gdm work for you before mutter 3.23.91?
[22:19] <cyphermox> probably did, yeah
[22:20] <jbicha> mutter 3.23.91 landed in zesty about March 1
[22:20] <jbicha> but you're saying that gnome-shell 3.23.91 made things even worse?
[22:20] <cyphermox> yep
[22:21] <jbicha> you could also complain in #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org
[22:21] <cyphermox> let me scramble things up a bit more, I'll upgrade shell again, but downgrade mutter.
[22:21] <jbicha> you can't upgrade shell without mutter because mutter's api isn't exactly stable :|
[22:21] <jbicha> shell depends on NewStuff from mutter 3.23.91
[22:22] <cyphermox> of course.
[22:23] <jbicha> I don't experience the bug and I don't have graphics experience so I'm no help in getting this fixed
[22:33] <jbicha> cyphermox: I'm complaining in #gnome-shell now, but if you'd file a bug that would help
[22:34] <jbicha> yours is the first I've heard of radeon being affected
[22:52] <TheMuso> cyphermox: Good on ya for supporting AMD. :)
[22:52] <cyphermox> haha
[22:52] <cyphermox> TheMuso: this was just some card I could mine bitcoins with some time ago, and that plays games nicely.
[22:53] <cyphermox> a friend of mine wanted to check that out (bitcoins) and I was curious too
[22:53] <TheMuso> Fair enough. I'm buing AMD cards for desktop systems from now on because AMD are actually caring mroe than NVIDIA are about having free software drivers.
[22:53] <TheMuso> And thats important to me.
[22:53] <cyphermox> I just use whatever hardware I can find that does the job
[22:53] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[22:53] <cyphermox> but yeah, AMD tends to have nice drivers in general, if you don't care about freeness too much.
[22:53]  * TheMuso is looking forward to more notebooks with AMD GPU in the next year or so now that AMD are back in the CPU game.
[22:53] <cyphermox> aye
[22:54] <cyphermox> TheMuso: incidently, it's been a while since we'd been at a similar event :)
[22:58] <TheMuso> cyphermox: Indeed.