[00:06] <wxl> pvcportugal: still there? :)
[00:08] <pvcportugal> yeah
[00:08] <wxl> pvcportugal: so what would you like to do?
[00:09] <pvcportugal> At first I just wanted to help somehow
[00:09] <pvcportugal> Talked to a few other members of other teams
[00:09] <pvcportugal> and QA sounded like something useful that I would be available to do
[00:11] <wxl> and you specifically picked lubuntu?
[00:11] <wxl> (not like i'm complaining!)
[00:11] <pvcportugal> yes!
[00:12] <wxl> well wonderful
[00:12] <pvcportugal> I'm relatively new to LUbuntu(been a Ubuntu user for a few years)
[00:12] <pvcportugal> and liked it very much
[00:12] <wxl> great
[00:12] <wxl> have you seen the wiki page?
[00:13] <pvcportugal> I have
[00:14] <wxl> so you probably gather what encompasses qa. is there a particular area you'd like to help out in?
[00:15] <pvcportugal> I don't have a lot of experience with bug fixing and such
[00:16] <wxl> well certainly fixing is a part of it but the big help we need with bugs is triaging them which mainly consists of getting them to the point where developers can work on fixing them
[00:16] <wxl> but if that doesn't float your boat, then you certainly could do testing
[00:17] <wxl> as the wiki states, we need people mainly to test daily development images (i.e. 15.10 right now) and milestones, which are the alphas and betas and final releases of new images
[00:17] <pvcportugal> right
[00:17] <wxl> there's a procedure called a testcase that you follow to install
[00:18] <wxl> if it succeeds, you mark it passed
[00:18] <wxl> if it doesn't, you mark it failed
[00:18] <wxl> so pretty simple ;)
[00:18] <pvcportugal> that would be something I would be willing to do
[00:18] <wxl> the only other part is filing bugs along the way
[00:18] <wxl> cool!
[00:18] <wxl> well all you need is a virtual machine
[00:18] <pvcportugal> maybe if I get more experience in the topic I can eventually help with bug triage
[00:19] <wxl> you're more than welcome to do these installs on some other computer you have but virtual machines are more managable
[00:19] <wxl> though "bare metal" often reveals problems we wouldn't jhave easily been able to predict on a virtual machine
[00:19] <wxl> still most of us, myself included, use virtual machines
[00:20] <wxl> and yes, i think after you've filed a bunch of bugs and know the basic process, bug triage comes naturally
[00:20] <pvcportugal> right, would a partition of the disk work as well?
[00:20] <wxl> not for all testcases, unfortunately
[00:21] <wxl> smoe of the test cases test differnt partitioner tasks, such as installing using the whole disk
[00:21] <pvcportugal> I don't have an extra computer available, so I guess I'll have to stick to the virtual machine
[00:21] <wxl> yep, it works just fine
[00:21] <wxl> have you ever used vms?
[00:21] <pvcportugal> what if my computer has 2 separate disks?
[00:22] <pvcportugal> no I haven't
[00:22] <pvcportugal> wine is kinda like a VM right?
[00:22] <wxl> ok, so there are a bunch of choices, but ultimately i think most folks start with virtualbox because it's easy
[00:22] <wxl> you can get it from the repos
[00:23] <wxl> i like kvm a lot because support is built right into the kernel!
[00:23] <wxl> and yes, wine is *kind of* like a vm
[00:23] <pvcportugal> Oh and one important detail, do I need a lot of disk space?
[00:24] <wxl> just as much disk space as the install takes
[00:24] <wxl> which isn't that much really, especially in lubuntu's case
[00:24] <wxl> you do need to allocate memory to it but i often give 512mb to my vms
[00:26] <pvcportugal> I could definetly allocate that amount of memory
[00:26] <pvcportugal> even more if necessary
[00:26] <wxl> i mean if you're patient, you can even get away with 256 XD
[00:27] <wxl> so to get started, i would first get virtualbox installed
[00:27] <pvcportugal> I could allocate 1-2Gb
[00:27] <pvcportugal> I don't really use any demanding programs on my computer
[00:28] <pvcportugal> in progress
[00:28] <wxl> i usually don't crazy with memory allocation bbecause i do things while i wait for the installs to get done
[00:28] <wxl> and sometimes i might even run multiple vms at a time
[00:29] <wxl> so i reference the wiki page again. i've worked really darn hard to get just about everything you need to know up there
[00:29] <wxl> maybe i could organize it better, but…
[00:29] <pvcportugal> I'll give it a thorough read
[00:30] <wxl> here's where you go to report http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[00:30] <wxl> so you do have a launchpad id?
[00:31] <pvcportugal> I'm not sure actually
[00:31] <pvcportugal> I believe I do
[00:31] <wxl> well you'll need one :)
[00:31] <wxl> so make sure you know what it is and how to log in
[00:31] <pvcportugal> is it that account that is linked to ubuntu one?
[00:32] <wxl> yep
[00:32] <pvcportugal> then I do in fact have one
[00:32] <wxl> cool
[00:32] <wxl> that gets used A LOT
[00:32] <wxl> like you will need it to log into the QA Tracker which is what that link above is
[00:32] <wxl> you'll also need it for dealing with bugs
[00:33] <wxl> what is your id?
[00:33] <pvcportugal> I have to check, but I believe it is pvcportugal
[00:33] <wxl> let me see
[00:33] <wxl> yes it ids
[00:33] <wxl> is i mean
[00:33] <wxl> i just added you to the lubuntu-qa team
[00:34] <wxl> you should make sure to go on there and subscribe to the mailing list https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[00:34] <wxl> here and the mailing list are your best sources if you need help or find something really weird and just to get an idea of what's happening
[00:35] <wxl> you may see a fair amount of talk about lxqt. we are in the process of slowly transitioning from using lxde which uses gtk libraries to using lxqt which is a different branch of lxde that uses qt libraries
[00:36] <wxl> occassionally we will call out for testing a particular piece of software or two as part of that
[00:37] <wxl> so right now we have two upcoming releases:
[00:37] <wxl> 1. Ubuntu 14.04.3 on August 6
[00:37] <wxl> 2. Ubuntu 15.10 on October 22nd
[00:38] <wxl> note that official milestone testing (i.e. alpha) begins June 25
[00:38] <wxl> the Alphas and Betas will result in an actual released image which is available to the general public
[00:38] <wxl> technically all the images are but you may have to dig a bit more for the non-official releases :)
[00:38] <wxl> so there are daily images being built currently for both of those two releases
[00:39] <wxl> Wily/15.10 is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds
[00:39] <wxl> and Trusty/14.04.3 is here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds
[00:39] <wxl> in general, the trusty one shouldn't need a lot of heavy testing
[00:40] <wxl> it should just be security fixes and such
[00:40] <wxl> so it doesn't need as much attention as the actuall development image
[00:40] <wxl> shoot i'm talking to myself aren't i :)
[21:36] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: around?
[21:36] <gsilvapt> yeap
[21:37] <ahoneybun> I have a link for you
[21:37] <ahoneybun> https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[21:37] <ahoneybun> written in RST
[21:37] <ahoneybun> main docs are in source/docs
[21:38] <ahoneybun> welcome page is in source
[21:38] <gsilvapt> Looks smaller than those written in TeX
[21:38] <gsilvapt> But looks good :)
[21:38] <ianorlyn> would be a lot easier to edit though
[21:39] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: ianorlyn the best part is that I can convert to TeX
[21:39] <ahoneybun> the pdf is made with latex but I can use pandoc to make it as well
[21:40] <gsilvapt> ianorlyn, he insisted on RST, although since it is that flexible, cool enough
[21:41] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: Like I agreed with you in the email thread (which I should have taken to the ubuntu-doc ML) we might just use 2 or so langs as core langs
[21:41] <Unit193> ahoneybun: Why on github?
[21:41] <ahoneybun> 2 or so would be best to limit the need for new contributors to learn (if they are not ok with filing bug reports)
[21:42] <ahoneybun> Unit193: I don't have the keys and such set up on this laptop (had to reinstall)
[21:42] <gsilvapt> ahoneybun, you can add new ones
[21:42] <ahoneybun> It was easier in short
[21:42] <Unit193> Ah, fun times, reinstalls...
[21:42] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: nah
[21:42] <gsilvapt> By the way, you can still add it on Launchpad via GitHub
[21:43] <ahoneybun> I have the files backed up so I just need to know how add the key back
[21:43] <ahoneybun> yea that is what is awesome now gsilvapt
[21:43]  * ahoneybun really needs to update his slideshow now
[21:44] <Unit193> No, the awesome part is git support in LP, mirroring has been there for a while :P
[21:44] <ahoneybun> use git commands in LP now
[21:48] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: LaTeX = TeX?
[21:49] <ianorlyn> LaTeX is a set of macros on top of TeX
[21:49] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[21:58] <ahoneybun> gsilvapt: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[22:12] <pvcportugal> Hello, can I boot my VM with a pendrive?(using virtualbox)
[22:18] <wxl> pvcportugal: you mean put the iso on a pendrive?
[22:20] <pvcportugal> yes
[22:21] <pvcportugal> just like a common pendrive instalation
[22:24] <ianorlyn> I normally just use the iso file
[22:24] <ianorlyn> pendrives don't have wear leveling
[22:26] <pvcportugal> I thought I had to either burn the iso
[22:26] <pvcportugal> or put it on a pendrive or something
[22:26] <ianorlyn> pvcportugal: for bare metal install usually
[22:27] <ianorlyn> I never did when I used virtualbox but mostly use qemu/kvm
[22:28] <pvcportugal> I guess I didn't really understand how to use the VM(noob here)
[22:29] <ianorlyn> basically virtualbox lets you boot from the iso as fake cd dvd drive
[22:29] <pvcportugal> how am I supposed to use the ISO direcly?
[22:29] <ianorlyn> I think you click add on the cd drive and select the iso file
[22:29] <ianorlyn> but I have only used on linux hosts
[22:32] <pvcportugal> I found it
[22:33] <pvcportugal> can't believe I didn't before
[22:34] <pvcportugal> thanks
[22:36] <pvcportugal> can I simulate any Lubuntu(i386, amd64 etc)?
[22:36] <pvcportugal> or i can only use the ones I would normaly use in my computer?
[22:37] <wxl> pvcportugal: no. virtualbox really can't handle software emulating another architecture. QEMU can, i think.
[22:37] <ianorlyn> pvcportugal: I think you need hardware support for amd64 and some wierd guest additions
[22:38] <ahoneybun> I've stayed with the same hardware (ie. I have x64 so I use x64 ISO's
[22:39] <ianorlyn> ahoneybun: with virtualbox with my core 2 duo t6500 on my laptop I can't run kvm and could only run i386 in virtualbox as I did not have vt-x
[22:39] <ianorlyn> well I can run kvm locally on that cpu it is pretty easy to setup kvm-qemu to go over ssh and wifi and run the vms on my desktop
[22:40] <wxl> http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page
[22:40] <wxl> tl;dr it can handle hardware virtualization
[22:40] <ianorlyn> yes but is slow
[22:41] <ianorlyn> without kvm
[22:41] <wxl> but i'll warn you it's DARN slow
[22:41] <wxl> yep :)
[22:41] <ianorlyn> you could run for DEC alpha with qemu
[22:41]  * wxl looks around for the DEC Alpha ISO
[22:50]  * ahoneybun waves at wxl


[00:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: KMymoney wont be uploaded till squeeze is out, and will be uploaded only to sid
[00:30] <shadeslayer> so we either wait or package our own version
[00:52] <claydoh> shadeslayer: I have kmm in my ppa, but somehow it didn't detect aqbanking so those outside of US can't do online banking with my 4.5 pkg :(
[00:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:52] <shadeslayer> claydoh: kmm team is pushing for a exception in debian
[00:52] <claydoh> plus my pkg skillz are almost nil, but I could work on one with more study and training :)
[00:53] <shadeslayer> claydoh: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kmymoney << my package
[00:54] <claydoh> I just noticed that, trying to see what Debian pkg was available :)
[00:55] <shadeslayer> ;)
[00:56] <shadeslayer> claydoh: since the package had no ubuntu changes, i proceded the old debian->ubuntu way
[00:57] <shadeslayer> im off for a bit... will be back in a hour with koffice package hopefully
[00:57] <claydoh> shadeslayer:and that process I don't understand fully :)
[00:57] <shadeslayer> claydoh: hehe :P
[00:57] <shadeslayer> me neither... but i usually ask people @ debian-qt-kde
[00:57] <shadeslayer> on OFTC ;)
[04:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new koffice packages uploading to https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[08:53]  * jussi waves to raddy
[08:53] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[08:54] <raddy> I am using KDE 4.5 pack ported packages in Lynx
[08:54] <jussi> raddy: it is sunday morning though, so there may be some delay in getting an answer
[08:54] <raddy> jussi: What your time zone?
[08:54] <jussi> raddy: gmt+2
[08:55] <raddy> ohh ok
[08:55] <jussi> ie. most of europe
[08:58] <jussi> raddy: please do ask your question though
[08:59] <raddy> ok, fine
[08:59] <raddy> I am using KDE 4.5 back-ported packages in Lucid Lynx/
[09:00] <raddy> I found that i am not able to use Voice and Video capability in Kopete on Jabber protocol.
[09:01] <raddy> The feature is added in 4.4 version of KDE it self, and the feature appears to be available in Maverick.
[09:02] <raddy> After lot of research, i came to the conclusion that the Back-ported packages may not have compiled with Jabber Voice and Video support.
[09:02] <raddy> Can anybody cross-check my findings?
[09:20] <raddy> Anybody there?
[09:26] <valorie> raddy, I think most of the europeans are just getting up
[09:26] <valorie> and the Americans are in bed
[09:27] <shadeslayer> oic
[09:27] <valorie> except shadeslayer
[09:27] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[09:27] <valorie> ;-)
[09:28]  * shadeslayer has +5.30 time zone
[09:28] <shadeslayer> so..
[09:28] <valorie> India?
[09:28] <shadeslayer> raddy: bug 509772
[09:28] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah :)
[09:28] <valorie> cool!
[09:29] <shadeslayer> ... and humid.....
[09:30] <shadeslayer> raddy: so, in lucid we do not build with google call support
[09:30] <shadeslayer> BUT
[09:30] <shadeslayer> raddy: if you have chrome/firefox/iceweasel use : http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html
[09:31] <shadeslayer> we still dont have video support in kopete.... but ^ does the trick nicely
[09:31] <raddy> shadeslayer: But someone has already built a Kopete version with Voice and Video support.
[09:31] <shadeslayer> raddy: yes in maverick we have voice support
[09:31] <shadeslayer> video support.... i have no idea if google allows that
[09:32] <shadeslayer> it should be possible, but maybe google blocks other clients or such... no idea
[09:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, 3rd party documention... I like that ^^
[09:33] <raddy> shadeslayer: Google allows that. Empathy already supports that with the help of telepathy.
[09:33] <raddy> why this link not working, https://launchpad.net/~pali.rohar/+archive/ppa
[09:33] <raddy> Can anybody point me to the correct location?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: quick question, i need to patch kopete such that when started it prompts for installation of gcall binary
[09:33]  * shadeslayer looks
[09:34] <apachelogger> you know
[09:34] <apachelogger> I really think
[09:34] <apachelogger> it should only prompt
[09:34] <apachelogger> once the user configured a jabber account to talk.google.com
[09:34] <apachelogger> OR already has one
[09:34] <shadeslayer> raddy: https://edge.launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/pali
[09:35] <shadeslayer> but it has SVN version
[09:35] <apachelogger> and not generally assume that people can/want to use gcall
[09:35] <shadeslayer> so it _might_ have telepathy integration
[09:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in either case just take a look at kdebase's konqueror flash patch
[09:35] <shadeslayer> alright
[09:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if your free please upload koffice from my ppa
[09:37] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[09:38] <raddy> Is there any plans to backport Maverick Kopete pages??
[09:38] <raddy> packages?
[09:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:52] <shadeslayer> wth.. i cant pull-debian-source from experimental :S
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am afraid the connection here does not really qualify for uploads of that large a monster
[10:04] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[10:05] <raddy> Is it possible to install compiz-kde package in KDE 4.5x back port?
[10:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[10:21] <shadeslayer> 53 MB is huge? :D
[10:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yus
[10:31] <shadeslayer> whats your upload speed? :P
[10:41] <raddy> Is it possible to install compiz-kde package in kde 4.5 back port?
[10:41] <raddy> It appears not possible.
[10:43] <apachelogger> raddy: if it appears not possible then it is possibly not possible
[10:43] <apachelogger> also I think we saw it the first time you asked
[10:45] <ofirk> apachelogger: hi :D
[10:45] <apachelogger> yo ofirk
[10:45] <ofirk> congratulations on the UbuntuOne KDE client :)
[10:45] <ofirk> it is looking very nice
[10:50] <ofirk> we (website team) are working on a section in the website which lists featured project
[10:51] <ofirk> apachelogger: we want to list this project
[10:51] <ofirk> I understand that you are looking after a new maintainer for the project ...
[10:51] <ofirk> but at the meantime could you open a category that will contain all UbuntuOne KDE posts so we can easily link to them?
[10:51] <apachelogger> ofirk: yeah, I would not list it there until someone is found
[10:51] <apachelogger> ofirk: a category where?
[10:51] <ofirk> apachelogger: in your blog
[10:52] <apachelogger> http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ubuntuone/
[10:52] <apachelogger> oh that is global
[10:52] <ofirk> so it will function as a temporary project website
[10:52] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/category/ubuntuone/
[10:53] <ofirk> oh, great!
[10:53] <ofirk> apachelogger: thanks :)
[10:55] <ofirk> apachelogger: how did you make this graph? http://apachelog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ubuntuone-kde-graph3.png
[10:57] <apachelogger> inkscapey
[10:58] <ofirk> thanks
[11:13] <raddy> So compiz kde not yet compiled against kde 4.5?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> is lex on a really really long holiday? :P
[13:00] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/#comment-377
[13:00] <apachelogger> I wonder if I should even comment on that
[13:20] <Riddell> morning
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: you wanted to talk about your project?
[13:20] <apachelogger> morning Riddell
[13:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, the mail from gsoc team suggested that we talk a bit about it :)
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: anything worth noting about my evaluation?
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: give me 15 mins to read over your blogs
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: sure
[13:22]  * apachelogger is writing on another one right now about interesting bits on KCMs ;)
[13:32] <Quintasan> \o/
[13:32] <Riddell> ooh you made digitizor http://digitizor.com/2010/08/20/the-ubuntuone-kde-client-enters-alpha-installation-instruction/
[13:34] <apachelogger> is that good? ^^
[13:34] <shadeslayer> nice
[13:34] <Quintasan> hmmmmm
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: so, were you pleased with your project?
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty much, though I think we could have made it more interesting to the user and the press by doing the Akonadi integration
[13:49] <apachelogger> but the way we did it there is a good base to continue GUI implementations on (if I find a maintainer)
[13:50] <Riddell> how did you find out about the technical requirements?
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: mostly trial and error and looking at the code of the GNOME implemention
[13:54] <apachelogger> real documentation is sparse
[13:55] <Riddell> did you have much communication with the upstream developers?
[13:57] <Riddell> upstream probably the wrong word there. the canonical OLS team
[13:59] <Nightrose> [14:00:00] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/#comment-377
[13:59] <Nightrose> [14:00:09] <apachelogger> I wonder if I should even comment on that
[13:59] <Nightrose> ^ you can start by telling the clueless guy that google did also pay for an owncloud project
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please upload koffice ...
[14:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: not a whole lot, also since they have no mailing list I am afraid some information got lost in IRC logs
[14:02] <apachelogger> like apparently the responsible people of ubuntu-sso-client did not know about my Qt implementation until like a month ago or so
[14:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: good idea, I think I will also end it there ... I do not really feel like defending Google or Canonical yet again...
[14:04] <Nightrose> yea
[14:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: how could upstream work better with community projects such as this?
[14:04] <Riddell> bad use of upstream again
[14:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, do you happen to know what came out of owncloud? I know of two implementions but both not really mature
[14:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sandsmark completed it sucessfully and there are two SoK students still working on owncloud
[14:05] <Nightrose> for details you'll need to ask them
[14:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think mailing list && communication via that mailing list rather than internally would help a lot ... from my POV most of the things that are going on in ubuntuone seem totally opaque, especially if you are not following the code branches
[14:06] <apachelogger> I did not know that ubuntu-sso-client is getting real GUI implementations to eliminate the need of a web browser for the authentication process
[14:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you plan to come to UDS?  it would be good to have a meeting about that kind of stuff with them
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do, question is if I can :)
[14:10] <Riddell> they're going to announce opening of sponsorship requests in a few days
[14:10] <Riddell> I know what a d pointer is, what's a q pointer?
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: the other part
[14:13] <apachelogger> d goes from public to private
[14:13] <apachelogger> and q from private to public
[14:15] <apachelogger> here the private class calls statusChanged of the public class -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp#L76
[14:15] <apachelogger> via the q ptr
[14:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you search for a function in qtcreator?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> like in kdevelop theres quick search
[14:19] <apachelogger> one in the code?
[14:19] <apachelogger> or in the documentation?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> in the code
[14:20] <apachelogger> in the serch bar at the bottom
[14:20] <shadeslayer> but that just shows the files
[14:20] <apachelogger> press enter?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> say im searching for  UrlResolver::orderedSearchItems() ... it doesnt come up with anuthihg
[14:21] <apachelogger> dude
[14:21] <apachelogger> click there
[14:21] <apachelogger> and a popup should come
[14:21] <apachelogger> listing super features for specific searches
[14:21] <apachelogger> m method() would find you method()
[14:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: should we upload this to universe?
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: if upstream agrees
[14:23] <Riddell> I think it would be nice, of course it might well break by natty but we can remove it in such case
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: but presumably needs them to merge the merges first?
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I patched the syncd downstream and in maverick the desktopcouch patch does not seem to be necessary since ubuntuone does not depend on desktopcouch anymore
[14:24] <apachelogger> would be good to have it merged though
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: so we can just go ahead and ask for FFe and upload?
[14:25] <apachelogger> yep
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna read a blog post about KCMs before publishing?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure
[14:25] <shadeslayer> although im not sure ill understand a thing :P
[14:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: was I any good as a mentor?
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you commit your koffice 2.2.2 packaging to bzr
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure.. with UNRELEASED right?
[14:31] <Riddell> yes
[14:32] <Riddell> and, since I see it's lacking it, put in the vcs lines into debian/control
[14:34] <shadeslayer> pushed
[14:34] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:34] <shadeslayer> thatll have to go in in rev 44
[14:34] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[14:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: terrific, thanks for mentoring :)
[14:36] <Riddell> flattery will get your everywhere
[14:36] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:36] <nigelb> this is one channel that can make me smile any time :)
[14:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you able to file the FFe and prepare the upload and subscribe appropriate people from canonical OLS to comment?
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you in a mood to do the bluedevil MIRs and FFes today?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> one bluedevil MIR coming right up
[14:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you run dh_install --list-missing on the koffice build?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah.. i have a hook for that
[14:38]  * shadeslayer hunts for build log
[14:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: sure
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh.. i built the dsc directly :/
[14:39]  * apachelogger needs to polish the packaging a bit anyway ^^
[14:39] <shadeslayer> which means i have no build log
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hold on... ill get a build log
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well so long as you checked it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> i did... there were 4-5 false positives
[14:40] <shadeslayer> libkdeinit_foo.so's ....
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and nothing needing adding?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:40] <Riddell> good, that means they're keeping to the bug fix only rule :)
[14:40] <shadeslayer> seems so :)
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: blog post looks ok...
[14:42] <Riddell> next question is do we package koffice-l10n or wait for debian to do it
[14:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: koffice-l10n is one large package, is it not?
[14:42] <Riddell> yes
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should package it then, unless Debian is going to do it
[14:43]  * apachelogger will love a translated KO in 10.10
[14:44] <Riddell> we should put 2.2.2 into backports as well
[14:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pingy
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seprate MIR's for bluedevil and libbluedevil?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> and why do we have 2 seprate packages for them :(
[14:50] <shadeslayer> oh.. wait.. theyre seprately maintained on git
[14:51] <shadeslayer> btw adjam found a way to make google voice and video work in gmail+rekonq
[14:52] <shadeslayer> with the new plugins released by google.. yet to ask him how he did it, but doesnt work here :(
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[14:53] <Riddell> is that plugin an entirely new NP-API plugin?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> idk... its on the gmail blog, you can download the deb
[14:54] <shadeslayer> i guess yes, not entirely sure
[15:02] <apachelogger> guess what
[15:02] <apachelogger> rekonq crash with flash
[15:02] <apachelogger> hooray
[15:02] <shadeslayer> bug 622243 for bluedevil
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from archives?
[15:03] <apachelogger> yus
[15:04] <shadeslayer> tried trunk?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> seems to work for me
[15:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: video link
[15:05] <apachelogger> random vid on youtube
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 622245 for libbluedevil
[15:05] <shadeslayer> aha! it doesnt load here...
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8ik8_UHjA&feature=featured
[15:06] <apachelogger> this is robert
[15:06] <shadeslayer> seems to be a adblock issue
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ok i have this nasty window with flash, but apart from that its all good
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/TpDC4
[15:08] <shadeslayer> i had to disable adblock, but it does work
[15:08] <shadeslayer> adblock is pretty much foobar right now, with 2 pending merges i think
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[15:12] <apachelogger> ah
[15:13] <apachelogger> canonical is getting credit for kubuntu foo again
[15:13] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:13]  * apachelogger switches to pissed mode and munches cookies
[15:14] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Failed to build on hooker (ia64) <<
[15:14]  * apachelogger read that as hocker
[15:15] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:15] <Mamarok> apachelogger: where do they get that?
[15:16] <nigelb> I can't believe they named that for a builder
[15:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: golem
[15:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: www.golem.de/1008/77026.html
[15:17] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah :P
[15:18] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/kcmodule-flower-power/ \o/
[15:21] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:21] <shadeslayer> btw... we had a proposal on #ubuntu-youth yesterday
[15:22] <shadeslayer> a mentorship program for the young'uns
[15:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also try running rekonq from konsole with gdb, im pretty sure itll work fine then :P
[15:23] <apachelogger> that is why drkonqi is here
[15:23] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I sent a comment
[15:23] <shadeslayer> no like, with : gdb rekonq ... gdb> run
[15:23] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: hello
[15:23] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: hola :)
[15:23] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: bt
[15:24] <shadeslayer> lulz
[15:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: takes a bit
[15:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: new host? :D
[15:24] <shadeslayer> or running from your machine ?
[15:25] <apachelogger> running gdb
[15:25] <apachelogger> :P
[15:25] <apachelogger> oh it crashed
[15:25] <apachelogger> oh daer
[15:25] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:26] <apachelogger> Mamarok: sweet
[15:26] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:26]  * apachelogger hugs Mamarok
[15:32] <shadeslayer> how often does madison take snapshots of debian archives?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> its 3 days behind from what i can see
[15:32] <sheytan> Hey, wanna see some news about the upcoming Kubuntu page? :D Here you are: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/324456-8222010122657PM
[15:33] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you are welcome :)
[15:33] <sheytan> and this is not a mockup anymore :)
[15:33] <apachelogger> sweetness
[15:33] <shadeslayer> sheytan: awesome.. just make the font color white everywhere
[15:34] <shadeslayer> then  theres a type : Find 'a' Community in your language
[15:34] <sheytan> shadeslayer where you mean?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> *typo
[15:34] <sheytan> need to report to ofirk ;)
[15:34] <shadeslayer> sheytan: the text just above "Create a Community"
[15:35] <sheytan> shadeslayer i meant the white color... where? :)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> its all blue.. make it white ;)
[15:35] <sheytan> this represents links. Links are always blue :)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://imgur.com/Oq7jJ
[15:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:36] <shadeslayer> they dont go with the rest of the page :(
[15:36] <sheytan> i think they do :)
[15:36] <sheytan> don't worry, they're good visable :)
[15:36] <shadeslayer> just my 2 cents ;)
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apart from that its all good
[15:37] <sheytan> yep, it's always so that you can't make everyone happy :)
[16:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: check this out : http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/rekonq-0-6-beta/
[16:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what do I see?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> new rekonq release, try that one out.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> and tell me if you have the issues
[16:04] <shadeslayer> also since its now based on Qt 4.7 it _should_ behave :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> it is beta?
[16:04] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:04] <apachelogger> s/?/!
[16:04] <shadeslayer> you can try the daily ppa
[16:05] <apachelogger> get it in maverick
[16:05] <shadeslayer> one of these days ill be spanked for breaking FF
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was thinking that we should wait for final release
[16:06] <shadeslayer> or break FF now and say that 0.5.90 is a bug fix release :P
[16:06] <Riddell> rekonq is a release goal, we can put 0.6 in without problems since it's known more stable
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres this awesome thing called ppa-purge now
[16:07] <shadeslayer> you can add ppa > upgrade foobar > if you dont like it, use sudo purge-ppa ppa:foo and it downgrades everything
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alright im onto it then ;)
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if we are to judge stuff at this point it should be in the archives
[16:08] <Riddell> any Polish people about?
[16:08] <apachelogger> if it fails FFe it is not for consideration anyway
[16:08]  * apachelogger pokes Quintasan
[16:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: is this blog sane and do you know the author? http://mrybczynska.wordpress.com/
[16:09]  * apachelogger is pretty far on his qtdbus type system blog
[16:09] <apachelogger> NOT
[16:09] <apachelogger> :(
[16:09]  * apachelogger goes on break
[16:16] <Riddell> koffice-l10n uploaded
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/i17qT6wB << does that look right to you ?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> its src/data/rekonq.desktop
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why shouldn't it be right?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> well
[16:18] <shadeslayer> we have a patch which has these translations
[16:18] <Riddell> yes and upstream have used it, you can remove the patch
[16:18] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/WnAPcQZd
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:19] <shadeslayer> but how is it the same?
[16:19] <Riddell> because adjam applied the patch I gave him
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:32] <Sput> hmmm. does anyone know if the dbusmenu stuff in plasma requires some (possibly *buntu-specific) daemon to run?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new rekonq package at https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[16:33] <shadeslayer> hasnt been processed yet
[16:45] <Riddell> you rock shadeslayer
[16:45] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:45] <Riddell> Sput: it does not
[16:45] <Riddell> just a patch to qt
[16:52] <apachelogger> ehm
[16:52]  * apachelogger is wondering why jovie is running on his system
[16:52] <apachelogger> strangeness
[16:58] <Sput> Riddell: hmm strange, because plasma seems to still request the traditional context menu here, and I can't see anything like org.ayatana.* in qdbusviewer
[16:59] <Riddell> it's a freedesktop spec
[17:01] <Sput> Riddell: mh, but plasma seems to ship a org.ayatana.dbusmenu interface file
[17:01] <Sput> that's all very confusing to me
[17:02] <Riddell> maybe I'm wrong
[17:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: how can org.ayatana.dbusmenu be a fdo spec if the fdo namespace is org.freedesktop/
[17:02] <apachelogger> ?
[17:02] <Sput> and the docs for dbusmenu are not existant, it seems
[17:02] <apachelogger> at best it is porposed for fdo
[17:03] <Sput> in any case, a dbus interface file means that there should be a daemon/servive somewhere, right?
[17:04] <apachelogger> Sput: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/spec/classorg_1_1ayatana_1_1dbusmenu.html
[17:04] <Sput> yeah, that's the interface, but it doesn't tell me how to actually use/test the stuff
[17:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We can sync from experimental.
[17:04] <Sput> could some of you kubuntu guys please check qdbusviewer if there's some ayatana service running?
[17:05] <Sput> or anything else that has "dbusmenu" in its name
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, waiting for madision to be up to date ( its been uploaded to experimental )
[17:05]  * apachelogger is wondering if that is not form libdbusmenu
[17:06] <apachelogger> Sput: no ayatana here
[17:06] <Sput> libdbusmenu doesn't ship any .xml
[17:06] <Sput> :/
[17:06] <apachelogger> hm
[17:06] <apachelogger> it at least includes one in the source
[17:06] <Riddell> qdbus | grep dbus  is empty
[17:07] <apachelogger> and what is that: /home/me/src/svn/kde/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/notifications/org.ayatana.dbusmenu.xml
[17:08]  * apachelogger is also getting confused
[17:08] <Sput> yes, that's what KDE ships
[17:08] <Sput> and there's plasma dataengine for importing dbusmenus
[17:09] <Sput> but... without a service, where is it's importing them from?
[17:09] <apachelogger> the apps? :P
[17:10] <Sput> hm
[17:10] <apachelogger> !find org.ayatana.dbusmenu
[17:10] <apachelogger> !find org.ayatana.dbusmenu.service
[17:11] <apachelogger> does not seem as if we had a dbus service for it either
[17:13] <Riddell> I remember it was briefly org.freedesktop but then they remembered it wasn't a freedesktop spec (yet) so changed it back to org.ayatana
[17:13] <Riddell> anyway, I've lost track of the question here
[17:13] <Riddell> are we talking about global menus or systray icon menus?
[17:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: latter I think
[17:14] <apachelogger> though I think former does nothing more than latter anyway (just with another menu)
[17:16] <apachelogger> ohhhhhh
[17:16] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[17:17] <apachelogger> Sput: it is part of the statusnotifer
[17:17] <apachelogger> it is not an own object registereted at dbus, but an interface of statusnotifieritem
[17:17] <Sput> hmm
[17:17] <Sput> the plasma tray seems to ignore the menu we export, and I think we do the same as KStatusNotifierItem
[17:17] <apachelogger> look for org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* /MenuBar
[17:18] <Sput> ok
[17:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: do gnome apps also get a org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* entry on dbus?
[17:18]  * apachelogger has no gnome tray apps around
[17:19] <Riddell> what makes you think I have gnome apps around? :)
[17:19] <apachelogger> you made advertising screenshots of them incorporating into kde systray IIRC :P
[17:20]  * apachelogger alwyas forgets removing stuff after he installed it
[17:21] <apachelogger> does rhythmbox not have a tray icon :O
[17:21] <Riddell> I don't know any gnome systray apps now, they're all indicator menus
[17:21] <apachelogger> did they patch it away?
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: and they removed gui settings?
[17:22] <apachelogger> or did they never have any?
[17:22] <maco> tomboy still goes in the tray...
[17:22] <maco> but i dont think its a dbusmenu
[17:22] <apachelogger> right
[17:23] <apachelogger> monoware never obeys standards made by others than MS :P
[17:25] <apachelogger> Sput: you register a org.kde.StatusNotifierWatcher-*?
[17:25] <apachelogger> eh org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* so that the watcher knows about it ;)
[17:25] <Sput> yes
[17:26] <Sput> and it's displayed by plasma too
[17:27] <Sput> ok, we do export the MenuBar/
[17:28] <Sput> so I guess it should be working, but the plasma try still request a traditional context menu...
[17:43] <apachelogger> Sput: do you have the code committed?
[17:46] <apachelogger> emonkey: linuxday dornbirn 27 november?
[17:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^ what could I be talking about?
[17:47] <apachelogger> eh
[17:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: I am getting a warning about googletak-call not being installed?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[17:47] <shadeslayer> one sec
[17:48] <apachelogger> didnt we agree that needs to be patched away? :P
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yes package needs updating... ill do that on tuesday
[17:50] <shadeslayer> or if anyone else wants to do it.. feel free
[17:52] <Sput> apachelogger: not yet merged
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have a look http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/5049/
[18:17] <shadeslayer> fixed all them errors
[18:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: still no ack from fredrik?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> no :(
[18:18] <shadeslayer> im all sad because of that
[18:18] <shadeslayer> notmart ackd
[18:18] <shadeslayer> but he needs a ack from fredrik as well before it can go in
[18:19] <apachelogger> hm
[18:19] <apachelogger> I know
[18:19] <apachelogger> :P
[18:19] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:19] <apachelogger> const QList<int> iconSizes = QList<int>() << 16 << 22 << 32 << 48 << 64 << 128;
[18:19]  * shadeslayer hates madison
[18:19] <apachelogger> that seems dirty
[18:19] <apachelogger> very very dirty
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: line 501
[18:20] <shadeslayer> not my doing ;)
[18:20] <shadeslayer> i took most of the code from configaccepted() and refactored it
[18:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you duplicated it
[18:20] <apachelogger> which is not good
[18:20] <shadeslayer> not exact duplicated
[18:21] <apachelogger> but?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> some of the stuff wasnt needed, so removed it
[18:21] <apachelogger> I mean that line
[18:21] <apachelogger> that one particular line
[18:21] <apachelogger> that one seriously meaningful line
[18:21] <apachelogger> you duplicated it
[18:21] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: feel free to criticize
[18:22] <apachelogger> should the sizes change or get enhanced one needs to know that there are two occurances!!!
[18:22] <shadeslayer> and tell me the correct implementation
[18:22] <apachelogger> that should either be a member or what is even better a static const version
[18:22] <apachelogger> or if you find no other way use a C macro
[18:22] <apachelogger> but duplicting that line is just ewwww IMHO
[18:24] <shadeslayer> so have something like : static const QList<int> iconSizes = QList<int>() << 16 << 22 << 32 << 48 << 64 << 128; : in folderview.h ?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> and replace all instances
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[18:30] <apachelogger> AAHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
[18:30] <shadeslayer> erm?
[18:30] <apachelogger> rekon may go make sweet love to itself
[18:30]  * apachelogger just got logged out
[18:30] <apachelogger> all hail the rekonq
[18:30] <shadeslayer> whut?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is it good? :P
[18:31] <apachelogger> I HATE THAT THING SO MUCH
[18:31] <apachelogger> lets make kaffeine default as long as rekonq goes
[18:31] <shadeslayer> whoa ...
[18:31] <shadeslayer> what happened dude
[18:31] <apachelogger> I would be better of using a VCR for browsing
[18:31] <shadeslayer> and on rekonq 0.5.80 or 0.5 ?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: really what happened ?
[18:33] <apachelogger> it logged me out
[18:33] <shadeslayer> from reviewboard?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> maybe the cookie expored ? :P
[18:33] <shadeslayer> *expired
[18:34] <shadeslayer> or rekonq just hates you
[18:35] <apachelogger> rekonq is just crap
[18:35] <apachelogger> that is the problem
[18:36] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rekonq 0.6 beta?
[18:44] <apachelogger> is it in maverick?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> no
[18:44] <shadeslayer> if you can upload it
[18:45] <shadeslayer> its in my ppa ;)
[18:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: needs exception
[18:45] <shadeslayer> right
[18:45] <shadeslayer> should i file one?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> wait wrong question :P
[18:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger Riddell bug 622364
[18:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try rekonq from my ppa : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[18:53] <shadeslayer> and im off to sleep ....
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will address your concerns with patch tomorrow
[18:53]  * shadeslayer out
[18:54] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer
[20:19] <jussi> o//
[20:52] <sheytan> Getting closer and closer: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/351518-8222010104558PM  http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/548316-8222010104617PM   http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/881287-8222010104634PM
[22:11]  * apachelogger got quite the headache
[22:11]  * apachelogger also found a bug
[22:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lovely <3
[22:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: yes I do know her, she is the translation coordinator in kde-i18n-pl
[22:17]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell with http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/qtwebkit-video/#comment-390
[22:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: and this blog seems "sane", if by sane you mean that it makes sense
[22:44] <CIA-71> [workspace] sitter * 1166775 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/systemsettings/app/SettingsBase.cpp (log message trimmed)
[22:44] <CIA-71> Support X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2 entries also for categories in
[22:44] <CIA-71> a 3rd party usecase. KPackageKit for example distributes its own category and
[22:50] <CIA-71> [workspace] sitter * 1166776 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdebase/workspace/systemsettings/app/SettingsBase.cpp (log message trimmed)
[22:50] <CIA-71> backport of r1166775 Support X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2 entries
[22:50] <CIA-71> also for categories in a 3rd party usecase. KPackageKit for example distributes
[22:51] <CIA-71> [kpackagekit] sitter * 1166778 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/kpackagekit/Desktop/settings-add-and-remove-software.desktop Add a V2 sytemsettings category for KDE 4.5 (works in 4.5 after revision 1166776 and trunk after revision 1166775).


[10:55] <seb128> hey there, I just noticed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spice-vdagent/+bug/1792360 that the debian remote watch is not updated
[10:55] <seb128> "The information about this bug in Launchpad is automatically pulled daily from the remote bug. This information was last pulled on 2018-09-19. "
[10:55] <seb128> is that a bug/normal/known? how can I figure out what's going on?


[01:42] <LaserJock> hi arnieboy again ;-)
[01:42] <arnieboy> hey there LaserJock sup?
[01:42] <LaserJock> not much, trying to work on some bugs and write some doc, etc.
[01:42] <LaserJock> and you?
[01:43] <arnieboy> ahh well.. nothing much.. worked for half of the day.. fought with my girlfriend.. made up and now am probably gonna watch a movie and have dinner
[01:47] <LaserJock> I see, have fun then :-)
[01:47] <arnieboy> yo u too bud
[01:47] <LaserJock> thanx
[01:48] <LaserJock> although a movie does sound much better the writing docs
[01:49] <arnieboy> yeah well writing docs isnt all that bad either
[01:49] <Madpilot> gah, I just created an xml diff so big it's being held by the list software... :P
[01:50] <LaserJock> lol
[01:50] <LaserJock> gotta keep'm small Madpilot ;-)
[01:51] <Madpilot> seems list attachments have to be below 40Kb - the two I just sent off are ~60Kb total...
[01:51] <LaserJock> I don't want svn to choke trying to update :-)
[01:52] <Madpilot> actually, the svn diff for config-system.xml is larger than the real xml file...
[01:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I had a few of those for the packaging guide when I first started redoing it
[01:53] <Madpilot> anyway, Jerome will probably just apply the patches; he's our ML admin and has commit rights too
[01:54] <LaserJock> I had one that was almost twice the size of the xml
[01:54] <LaserJock> Madpilot: do you know if he is the only ML admin?
[01:54] <Madpilot> you must have been changing every single line in the file...
[01:54] <LaserJock> pretty much
[01:54] <Madpilot> LaserJock: not sure, actually. Probably not
[01:54] <LaserJock> I just wondered
[02:04] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[02:07] <dsas> isn't that the automatix guy?
[02:08] <Madpilot> yes
[02:08] <LaserJock> he was in -motu also. First time I've seen him on IRC
[02:09] <Madpilot> he showed up in #ubuntu a month or three ago, trolling
[02:09] <Madpilot> there is a #ubuntuforums channel that he & the forum crowd use
[02:10] <dsas> yeah, I think I've stopped by there once.
[02:11] <LaserJock> well, I'm glad to see him but I wonder what his point was. Oh well.
[02:54] <LaserJock> mhz: done with dinner? :-)
[02:54] <mhz> LaserJock: heheh, yeah, and even saw a bit of Toy Story with my daughter
[02:54] <mhz> LaserJock: what is your TZ ?
[02:55] <LaserJock> I'm -8 so I just had dinner as well
[02:55] <mhz> Madpilot: so did you like the SlideShow.py ?
[02:55] <LaserJock> I love Toy Story, one of my favorite movies
[02:56] <mhz> I had never seen it and I think it is a very well done and fun movie
[02:56] <Madpilot> mhz: that's pretty cool - cross-browser, too
[02:56] <mhz> Madpilot: so you tried it?
[02:57] <Madpilot> just the sample one that was linked to - works nicely in Opera
[02:57] <mhz> Madpilot: I am using it in all my wikis
[02:57] <mhz> in case you wanna give it a try
[02:59] <LaserJock> mhz: got any URLs, I missed them earlier?
[03:04] <mhz> LaserJock: for?
[03:04] <mhz> SlideShow?
[03:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:04] <LaserJock> I know you do a bunch of wiki stuff, I had a URL once, but I can't find it at the moment
[03:05] <mhz> oh, sure, gimme a sec
[03:06] <LaserJock> I amazed at the stuff that can be done with wiki and I just haven't been able to learn as much as I would like
[03:10] <mhz> LaserJock: yeah, once you get to understand that simplicity is power, it is possible to do many stuff with a well set wiki
[03:15] <mhz> LaserJock: sorry for taking so long, I was on the phone
[03:15] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/tuxmania/WikiAprende?action=SlideShow
[03:15] <mhz> to see the SlideShow example
[03:15] <mhz> when you are done, click 'quit' at the bottom menu
[03:16] <LaserJock> cool, we should do release notes/announcements that way
[03:18] <LaserJock> hmm, RenderAsDocbook is cool as well
[03:19] <Kyral> Oy...
[03:19] <Kyral> so much to do
[03:19] <Kyral> and where the heck will I fit in Ubuntu
[03:20] <LaserJock> Kyral: don't worry, you will ;-)
[03:20] <Kyral> You don't understand
[03:20] <Kyral> In response to my blowing the first round of exams
[03:20] <mhz> LaserJock: hehe, I always do my presentations in a wiki page that then is shown using SlideShow, so I only do the work once and it is wikied at the same time, for searches purposes
[03:20] <Kyral> I decided that I have to redo my lifestyle
[03:21] <Kyral> So now I'm studying 3 hours a day, working out for almost 2
[03:21] <Kyral> in addition to 5 hours of classes
[03:21] <LaserJock> Kyral: ahh, I'm getting there too, work, home, Ubuntu
[03:21] <dsas> mhz, that is pretty cool.
[03:22] <Kyral> Ah, I think I can fit in Ubuntu somewhere on Thursdays lol
[03:22] <Kyral> So guys if I drop off the face of the earth, you know that its not because I don't care, its because I need to kickass on my grades :D
[03:22] <mhz> dsas: thx, it is moin power
[03:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: my problem has been compounded by my Ubuntu box at work being replaced with an iMac so it is much more difficult to work.
[03:23] <dsas> any chance of getting that stuff on the ubuntu wiki?
[03:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: don't drop off the face of the earth, just check in once in a while ;-)
[03:23] <Kyral> LJ, if I don't do well inschool, then I don't have a job :P
[03:23] <Kyral> and if I don't have a job, then I don't have Internet
[03:24] <Kyral> I doubt that even Canonical would hire me lol
[03:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: if you do well in school they might ;-)
[03:24] <mhz> dsas: I guess so, if we talk to hno73
[03:25] <mhz> (he's more into moin everyday)
[03:25] <Kyral> LaserJock: I'd prolly wind up at IBM :D
[03:25] <Kyral> LaserJock: They hire like 90% of the CompSci Majors from my school
[03:25] <LaserJock> mhz: is there an English version by chance. I'm sadly unilingual :(
[03:25] <dsas> mhz, sounds good.
[03:25] <dsas> I'm working 7 hours each day, + 2 hours travelling, plus an hours lunch....there's nothing like bug triaging on a windows box in your lunch hour ;)
[03:26] <mhz> LaserJock: hmmm, nope, but I will show you something more in english, gimme a sec
[03:27] <LaserJock> dsas: yeah, that's what I was doing on Bug Day, except from OSX :-)
[03:28] <LaserJock> mhz: I was wondering what the moodle stuff was about.
[03:28] <dsas> heh, it's quite annoying, but you can still get stuff done.
[03:29] <LaserJock> dsas: yeah, although I'm finding that OSX is a bit better since it has a *nix base
[03:30] <dsas> is there much you can do with the nix base in terms of bug triage though?
[03:31] <LaserJock> dsas: not so much but I can ssh to a debian box I set up with a dapper chroot. But for general use for me (packaging and writing docs) OSX is easier than XP, so far anyway.
[03:32] <LaserJock> dsas: although, if fink or darwinports worked on my iMac I think it would be quite a bit better.
[03:32] <dsas> ahh, that's good. I don't have a ubuntu box at work - we only have two linux boxes altogether.
[03:33] <LaserJock> right now I either use my Windows laptop or my OSX iMac to ssh to either my debian box or my Ubuntu box at hoe
[03:33] <LaserJock> s/hoe/home/
[03:34] <dsas> that's quite good, we're not allowed to ssh out to anywhere...and I can't imagine taking my laptop into work for some reason...
[03:37] <LaserJock> well, I ssh from the laptop at home to the Ubuntu box at home. Being able to sit in my recliner and work on stuff overwhelms my disgust with XP ;-)
[03:38] <Kyral> I ssh from anywhere on Campus with my Lappy
[03:38] <Kyral> and as soon as i get my FSF Membership card, I won't need the lappy :D
[03:40] <dsas> Kyral, you have five hours of classes per day at university?
[03:40] <LaserJock> lol, you'll just "use the source" ;-)
[03:40] <Kyral> It still amuses me that my FSF Membership card also doubles as a LiveCD
[03:41] <Kyral> dsas: 6 on Monday, 5 on Wed, Fri
[03:41] <dsas> I ssh'd to my desktop earlier from the other side of my room to skip a track
[03:41] <Kyral> 2 every other week on Tues
[03:41] <Kyral> and Thursday OFF
[03:42] <dsas> ahh that's not so bad, I thought five hours each day...I only do 12 a week.
[03:42] <Kyral> Yah but now throw in almost 2 hours of workout and 3 hours of studying ;D
[03:42] <Kyral> every day
[03:42] <dsas> s/do/did
[03:43] <Kyral> It will break me, and make me go further
[03:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, I've always heard "1 hour of studying for every hour of class time"
[03:43] <dsas> oh yeah, I was just surprised of that level of classes.
[03:44] <Kyral> plus I can actually bitch about being tired at the end of the day :D
[03:44] <LaserJock> Kyral: how many credits are you taking?
[03:44] <Kyral> and feel justified collapsing into my chair at the end of the day
[03:44] <Kyral> 19
[03:45] <LaserJock> yeah, that is quite a bit of work. I usually did 18-22 but a lot of the time I had a few "fun" classes like chemistry that didn't take much time
[03:45] <Kyral> Thats the Max Courseload for non-Honors students
[03:46] <Kyral> and even Honors only get to take something like 21 creds
[03:46] <Kyral> But only 16 of those are actual Classes
[03:46] <Kyral> the other three come from Open Source Projects and the Internet Teaching Lab
[03:46] <LaserJock> cool
[03:46] <LaserJock> I often wish I'd done a CS major
[03:47] <Kyral> lol
[03:47] <dsas> you get credits for working on OSS?
[03:47] <Kyral> dsas: yah
[03:47] <Kyral> I'm using Ubuntu as my project :D
[03:48] <dsas> that's cool, we don't have anything like that. What are the course requirements - I mean how do they measure passing the module?
[03:48] <Kyral> I'm taking a minor in IT
[03:49] <Kyral> http://cosi.clarkson.edu/c4c.php
[03:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I did Chemistry and Applied Mathematical Sciences, hardly any computing at all :(
[03:49] <Kyral> Actually this
[03:49] <Kyral> http://www.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/fa2005/
[03:49] <Kyral> Open Source Projects is more often called "COSI For Credit"
[03:50] <Kyral> Chimata, that reminds me that I have to get my page up
[03:51] <Kyral> http://www.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/sp2006/ <-- Better because it notes me giving a presentation on LP :D
[03:51] <dsas> I've done two years of a Computer Science degree, I start back again in September to finish off my final year.
[03:52] <Kyral> I want to add Software Engineering to my Minor
[03:52] <Kyral> but I have to talk with my Advisor about that
[03:52] <LaserJock> darn, I've never had a CS related class in my life. My advisor doesn't consider it very important for me. :(
[03:53] <Kyral> Hmm
[03:53] <dsas> I toyed with doing software engineering, but I decided I wanted a CS degree...
[03:54] <Kyral> my documentation on the new Installer could very well nail me 2 creds
[03:55] <Kyral> Shit I have to get working on that
[04:27] <mhz> LaserJock: sorry i took so long, I just ended conversation with colombia
[04:28] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/elwiki/EmacsCommands?action=SlideShow&n=1
[04:29] <mhz> LaserJock: i hope you like that one
[04:34] <mhz> LaserJock: and regardign the Moodle thing, I was proposing to use Moin + Moodle. Moin it is by far (imho) one of the most powerful wikis out there. So, ifwe used Moin interwiki capabilities (most wikis have it) and we train educational communities to generate their contents in a wiki fashion, we can easily interconnect their knowledge base with all wikis in the world, so when you do searches for "Augusto Pinochet" you get mathces from different wikis
[04:34] <mhz> , but the best thing is that you get what a teacher in Colombia wrote about this chilean dictator, as well as you get the other teachers ideas and writings
[04:36] <Burglaptop> salut all
[04:36] <LaserJock> hi Burglaptop
[04:37] <dsas> hallo
[04:38] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: welcome back to being connected to the world :P
[04:39] <LaserJock> breezy, who runs breezy ;-)
[04:39] <Burglaptop> it is nice to have internet at home
[04:39] <Burglaptop> I have also been sucked back into Civ3 by my roommate
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:41] <dsas> I spend most of my time in my dapper install, but I made the partition to small so it gets annoying after a while, I'm going to install dapper on my main install sometime though.
[04:42] <Madpilot> Aside from Jerome, who else has admin rights over the -doc ML?
[04:51] <Burglaptop> we discussed adding me, but it never happened\
[04:51] <Madpilot> I've just got a set of diffs caught by the filter - over attachment limits, it seems
[04:55] <Burglaptop> my laptop works great in Ubuntu, except for a small touchpad issue
[04:56] <Burglaptop> s/Ubuntu/dapper
[04:56] <Burglaptop> geez I am tired
[05:30] <dsas> me too, good night all.
[05:39] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: so what do you think of my latest hare-brained scheme?
[05:40] <Madpilot> FreeGeekVictoria? sounds cool
[05:41] <Burglaptop> more likely to be called ReLectronics Victoria
[05:41] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: from your email - "on the Sunday after LinuxFestNorthwest." - does this mean you're going to stay in Bellingham overnight?
[05:42] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: likely Monday as well
[05:42] <Burglaptop> nothing is set in stone yet
[05:42] <Madpilot> OK, guess I'll have an empty seat in the plane on the way home
[05:44] <Burglaptop> don't start planning with what to do with that seat quite yet
[05:44] <Madpilot> no worries
[05:46] <Burglaptop> hmm, anacortes is not that far from bellingham
[05:47] <Madpilot> nope. What's in Anacortes?
[05:47] <Burglaptop> ferry to sidney, for coming back on Mon, if possible
[05:48] <Madpilot> ah
[05:49] <Burglaptop> bloody hell, it appears that the washington state ferries website doesn't work in epip
[05:49] <Burglaptop> https://secure1.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/webres/index.cfm
[05:49] <Burglaptop> can you try that?]
[05:50] <Burglaptop> try and select a sailing schedule
[05:50] <Madpilot> http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/schedules/current/index.cfm
[05:52] <Burglaptop> doesn't list the summer schedule, which starts april 2
[05:52] <Madpilot> yeah - awful website, actually...
[05:52] <LaserJock> you guys every go to the San Jaun Islands?
[05:52] <Burglaptop> LaserJock: not in recently
[05:53] <LaserJock> I went sailing there for a week when I was like a Freshmen in college, very beautiful
[05:53] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: best bet is probably to phone Wash. Ferries, that website is hopeless
[05:54] <Burglaptop> ya, will do so monday
[06:54] <LaserJock> anybody know if we have text copies of the FDL and CC-SA licenses in the svn repo?
[06:54] <Madpilot> I think so - in the generic directory?
[06:55] <Madpilot> actually in common/C
[06:56] <Madpilot> we've got the GPL in there too for some reason
[07:04] <LaserJock> GPL is for the Packaging Guide, but I was looking for plain text, not XML
[09:04] <monzie> hi all
[09:04] <monzie> i was working on a WYSIWYG wiki markup editor written in GTK
[09:05] <monzie> to automate the ''' stff
[09:05] <monzie> stuff
[09:05] <monzie> does it have demand in the real world?
[10:09] <Madpilot> monzie: I understand that the latest version of MoinMoin has a Whizzy editor of some sort already - the Ubuntu wiki hasn't been updated yet, though
[10:10] <monzie> okay Madpilot, i need one cause https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDInstallHowTo is what i am working on  now
[10:10] <monzie> and it's goin to be BIG
[10:12] <Madpilot> I think the new MoinMoin also has a desktop editor of some sort
[11:30] <mdke> Madpilot, if you send me the patch, i'll apply it
[11:33] <Madpilot> mdke: will do, then I'll just cancel the mail to the list
[11:33] <mdke> ok
[11:34] <Madpilot> sent
[11:37] <mdke> got it
[11:37] <Madpilot> I hadn't realized the attach limit was so low - 40Kb to the list
[11:38] <mdke> hmm
[11:38] <mdke> have you svn upped?
[11:38] <mdke> your common tasks patch was a bit odd
[11:38] <Madpilot> hmm, it was current when I created it, I'm pretty sure
[11:38] <mdke> oh, perhaps I missed something
[11:39] <mdke> yeah, my bad
[11:39] <mdke> ok thanks
[11:39] <mdke> you rock
[11:41] <Madpilot> np - the config-system diff is so big because it's a complete recoding to procedure/step markup
[11:41] <Madpilot> the diff is actually bigger than the real config-system.xml...
[11:43] <mdke> lol
[11:43] <mdke> so what do we need to focus on atm for the desktop guide?
[11:43] <mdke> it's looking in reasonable shape
[11:44] <Madpilot> content-wise, I'm not sure - been focussing on the code for a few days now.
[11:45] <Madpilot> I only just noticed that we have an actual iPod section now... :P
[11:45] <mdke> not a particularly long one though
[11:46] <Madpilot> code-wise, the other two main files - getting-started & getting-help - need to be moved to procedure/step and tidied a bit
[11:46] <mdke> tidied how?
[11:46] <mdke> I will look at them today
[11:46] <Madpilot> I'm just going through getting-started now, actually.
[11:47] <Madpilot> hmm, should we have OSX ISO burning instructions as well as XP & Ubuntu ones?
[11:52] <mdke> i'm not convinced we should have XP/UBuntu ones even :)
[11:53] <mdke> yeah I don't like the software specific burning instructions
[11:54] <mdke> Nero >_<
[11:57] <Madpilot> that's the trouble with OSes that ship incomplete, like XP does...
[11:58] <Madpilot> is there a definition tag for Docbook?
[12:00] <mdke> what is that?
[12:00] <Madpilot> found it - <variablelist>
[12:00] <Madpilot> dictionary or glossary type list-markup
[12:01] <Madpilot> http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/crash-course/variablelist.html
[12:02] <Madpilot> ...for the Common Commands list in Getting Started, in our case
[12:03] <mdke> ah nice
[12:04] <mdke> getting started/introduction is so long...
[12:04] <Madpilot> more tag soup, though - but nice semantic markup for the translators, I guess
[12:06] <mdke> i don't think getting-help needs procedure tags
[12:06] <mdke> it's not a procedure, i prefer bullet points for those
[12:06] <Madpilot> the ISO-burning stuff?
[12:07] <mdke> no, the getting-help chapter at the end
[12:11] <Madpilot> haven't even looked at it - but yeah, that works just as a bulleted list
[12:11] <Madpilot> or whatever - it's actually a numbered list right now
[12:16] <mdke> i'll upload a change to that quickly
[12:17] <mdke> hello dsas, just wanted to say thanks for the great work on the programming stuff lately
[12:19] <dsas> mdke: I'm not sure about great, but no problem.
[12:21] <dsas> mdke: It's quite satisfying to give things back
[12:26] <mdke> you bet
[12:27] <Madpilot> It helps to remind yourself of this while you're beating your head against some XML that isn't behaving... :P
[12:29] <mdke> Madpilot, you love your XML :)
[12:32] <Madpilot> right now I am confused by my XML - the errors Yelp is giving me don't make any sense
[12:38] <Madpilot> sod it - mdke, I've got a lot of changes done to getting-start.xml, but I can't figure out the errors that Yelp & the validate script are throwing out - it's late here...
[12:39] <Madpilot> could I just send you the diff and you can have a look at the code?
[12:39] <mdke> Madpilot, of course
[12:40] <Madpilot> OK, thanks -  just a minute
[12:45] <Madpilot> mdke: sent
[12:48] <mdke> ok
[12:49] <mdke> i'll have a look later one
[12:49] <mdke> one/on
[12:50] <Madpilot> thanks - I'm off. Suddenly it's past 0300  - no wonder the XML wasn't making sense anymore
[12:50] <mdke> nighty nighty
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm about to make a link to the online help for ubuntu. do you recommend help.ubuntu as the stable, or doc.ubuntu as the more up to date one to link to?
[02:27] <mhz> morning guys
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mhz
[02:28] <dsas> morning
[02:28] <mhz> Will this be useful for wiki-newbies ? I could make even more userfrinedly if you guys consider it useful?
[02:28] <mhz> http://mhz.homelinux.org/tuxmania/WikiCourse/BasicIntroduction/000_What_is_a_Wiki%3F
[02:28] <mhz> hi Kamping_Kaiser and dsas
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi dsas
[02:28] <dsas> Kamping_Kaiser: help.ubuntu.com will be updated in a couple of months, and pointing towards doc.ubuntu.com may confuse people with some dapper specific stuff
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. help it is. :)
[02:31] <dsas> mhz: I can't see the text on "tips on the editor" without selecting it..
[02:32] <mhz> dsas: GUI editor?
[02:32] <mhz> dsas: or which page?
[02:34] <dsas> http://mhz.homelinux.org/tuxmania/WikiCourse/BasicIntroduction/091_Tips_on_the_Editor
[02:34] <dsas> the text in the table.
[02:36] <mhz> dsas: oh, thx, that's using Theme font color. Ok, try it now
[02:37] <dsas> that's much better
[02:40] <mhz> dsas: thx for pinting it. I was used to use black font color on my themes :)
[02:40] <mhz> pointing
[02:41] <dsas> mhz: I think it's quite useful, it's taught me something anyway
[02:41] <mhz> cool
[02:41] <mhz> do you think it could work for a "Before you screw our wiki" Tour ?
[02:41] <dsas> it covers some topics that aren't typical newbie tasks too.
[02:42] <jsgotangco> yeah let's add that screw our wiki clause
[02:42] <mhz> lol
[02:43] <mhz> so, IMHO, SlideShow macro renders and works much better because it takes only one page and splits according to = headings =
[02:44] <mhz> I can talk to hno73 about including such macro, I can make those slides become one single wiki page, and users will take this tour in a more userfriendly way
[02:44] <mhz> would you agree?
[02:45] <mhz> (SlideShow single page is even less expensive for low bandwith users and they can even save it and print it faster)
[02:47] <mhz> The only thing I'd like to add so far, is examples with Ubuntu pages, andonce it is done, I'd appreciate peer reviewing, please
[02:49] <jsgotangco> mdke, that's a very fine cabinet
[02:52] <dsas> mhz_breakfast: Personally I think I preferred the slideshow format you did last night - the single page one.
[02:53] <mhz_breakfast> dsas: me too, " SlideShow macro renders and works much better..."
[02:54] <mhz_breakfast> the only detail is I have no projector to try fonst size (SlideShow rendering is CSS dependant)
[02:54] <dsas> oh right, sorry. I didn't realise that that's what it meant.
[02:54] <mhz_breakfast> :)
[02:54] <mhz_breakfast> so, if any of you could try CSS SlideShow with a projector, please let me know about fonts sizes
[02:55] <dsas> should've read it properly. The amount of people using a projector to browse a wiki must be quite small :)
[02:56] <mhz_breakfast> ohh, BTW, those wiki slides should already be in wiki.ubuntu... /data dirs
[03:00] <cyclister> hi
[03:02] <cyclister> I want to ask some strange question that might be not spelled open in this chat, want to chat with someone if someone want
[03:02] <cyclister> not in terms of sexual matters =S
[03:13] <cyclister> ok ya u where really fun to chat with
[03:13] <cyclister> have a nice
[03:13] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:32] <mdke> jsgotangco, yeah i like it
[03:32] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, doc.ubuntu.com is not online help
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: so it's just the docteams playground?
[03:33] <mdke> yes
[03:33] <jsgotangco> you should point to help.ubuntu.com
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. will do
[03:35] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, what are you working on, out of interest?
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: one of the groups i volenteer with recently had a change in governemtn, and I'm now in charge of the website. I'm making changes to the site http://www.itshare.org.au/live/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,23/Itemid,51/
[03:37] <mdke> oh right cool
[04:51] <mdke> i thought we got rid of the sample/ directory for the server guide?
[06:08] <mdke> jdub, around?
[10:54] <mdke> oh cool, you emailed
[10:55] <Madpilot> yeah, just did - patch looks good
[10:55] <mhz> re
[10:55] <Madpilot> why remove the wiki from Getting Help, though?
[11:02] <mdke> because hopefully there will just be one link for documentation by dapper
[11:02] <mdke> if not, we can re-add the link
[11:03] <Madpilot> of course - so the help.u.c wiki is actually moving forward?
[11:03] <mdke> well, the spec is ready
[11:03] <mdke> we're waiting on a server
[11:04] <Madpilot> cool - I noticed that the UserDocumentationBeta page is fairly complete
[11:04] <Madpilot> although the ppl doing most of it are a bit too fond of creating unnecessary subpages, I think
[11:05] <mdke> yes, i replied on list saying they should stick to the current structure for now
[11:05] <mdke> and just migrate the links
[11:05] <mdke> add your comments
[11:06] <Madpilot> My favourite is the extra collected-Opera-help page that was created, when there is only one page for Opera in the entire wiki...
[11:10] <mdke> yes, i don't think it makes sense to reorganise the wiki AND write new content at the same time
[11:11] <mdke> it's biting off too much at once
[11:18] <LaserJock> mdke: we don't have plain text copies of FDL and CC-SA do we?
[11:19] <mdke> don't think so, but they are on the websites
[11:19] <LaserJock> ubuntu websites or GNU and Creative Commons websites?
[11:19] <mdke> the latter
[11:19] <mdke> Madpilot, any thoughts on the common preface.xml?
[11:19] <LaserJock> ok
[11:20] <Madpilot> mdke: sounds like a good idea, haven't really looked at the content though - it's the same Conventions &c that we already had in UDG, right?
[11:20] <LaserJock> mdke: I think the common preface is a good idea. Will it include license info?
[11:20] <mdke> yes, although i cut a bit out
[11:21] <mdke> LaserJock, i don't think so, does it currently?
[11:21] <LaserJock> I'm not sure, I guess it comes in the bookinfo.xml
[11:21] <mdke> yes i think that's right
[11:22] <LaserJock> I was thinking that would be really the only reason why the Packaging Guide couldn't use a common preface so I wanted to make sure
[11:22] <mdke> yep, i think it's ok
[11:23] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, I asked about the FDL/CC-SA licenses because the copyright file for the ubuntu-docs package currently says that the docs are GPL :(
[11:24] <mdke> yes, if you want you can take that bug
[11:24] <mdke> it's 27923
[11:24] <mdke> i hadn't got round to it so far
[11:24] <LaserJock> yah, I'll do it.
[11:25] <mdke> thanks
[11:26] <Madpilot> mdke: getting-started.xml still isn't loading in Yelp/Breezy, and not validating either :(
[11:26] <mdke> argh
[11:27] <Madpilot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8905
[11:27] <Madpilot> validation errors ^^^
[11:27] <mdke> must be the slash
[11:28] <mdke> oh i see
[11:28] <mdke> doh
[11:28] <Madpilot> it's that damned variable list tag I tried to get clever with last night, but with odd refs to other tags that look OK...
[11:28] <mdke> no, it's that you can't have spaces in id="" attributes
[11:29] <mdke> did you svn up?
[11:29] <Madpilot> yeah, that was on a current checkout, including your commit of a few minutes ago
[11:29] <mdke> i didn't get the same errors as you
[11:30] <mdke> svn up again and try
[11:30] <Madpilot> same errors
[11:30] <mdke> works here
[11:30] <mdke> do "svn status"
[11:31] <mdke> maybe common-tasks hasn't been updated for you because you edited it earlier
[11:31] <Madpilot> yeah, I just deleted the whole desktopguide folder, replaced with svn, and it validates :P
[11:32] <mdke> svn revert common-tasks.xml would have worked :)
[11:32] <Madpilot> the blunt-object method works too
[11:32] <mdke> heh, anyhow, you made me pick up another error :)
[11:32] <mdke> ok, -> bed
[11:32] <Madpilot> it works in Yelp now as well
[11:32] <Madpilot> later
[11:57] <LaserJock> we are using CC-SA version 2.5, right?
[12:01] <Madpilot> 2.0, at least on the Ubuntu Desktop Guide currently
[12:01] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting