[00:01] <Guest14623> ok here is mu link http://paste.ubuntu.com/205885/
[00:15] <Guest14623> does anyone have any hint as to where my problem is . I have been searching for an answer for days .
[00:17] <owh> Guest14623: What problem?
[00:18] <Guest14623> have a look http://paste.ubuntu.com/205885/
[00:18] <owh> Phone. brb
[00:23] <owh> Guest14623: Where are you pinging from?
[00:24] <owh> Guest14623: Also, you have multiple instances of auto eth1 and auto eth0
[00:24] <Guest14623> from my home network . the server is attached to a switch and i can ping the 1st nic but the 2nd no dice
[00:24] <owh> Guest14623: So, you're pinging from within the same network as the server?
[00:25] <Guest14623> thats a pasting error on my part
[00:25] <Guest14623> ya , thats right
[00:25] <owh> Guest14623: Well, show us what it really looks like.
[00:26] <Guest14623> My server is connected to my switch with 2 connections , then i have my home network router where all my  personel computers are connected two
[00:26] <Guest14623> my router is also connected to my switch
[00:27] <owh> Guest14623: No, what I mean is, show us the real file, not one that has paste errors. We'll talk about testing after that.
[00:27] <owh> Guest14623: When tracking down a problem, you need to eliminate the issues, one at a time.
[00:27] <Guest14623> ok
[00:31] <Guest14623> ok , here are my interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/205904/
[00:33] <owh> Guest14623: Right, first we're going to check connectivity.  In a Ubuntu Server forum?
[00:38] <A|X> own... ?
[00:38] <A|X> you *do* know that Ubuntu is debain based, yes?
[00:38] <owh> A|X: Yes, I do, but I didn't know if you did. What is your problem?
[00:39] <A|X> owh, thats why I'm here :)
[00:39] <owh> A|X: I have learnt never to assume anything. It's cheaper.
[00:39] <A|X> lol
[00:39] <A|X> server 9.04  ,  or ubuntu desktop 7.10 ,  8.04 ,  and 8.10  all go to a busybox initram shell
[00:39] <A|X> which from what i've read, means it can't find the root partition when it boots
[00:40] <Guest14623> here ya go owh http://paste.ubuntu.com/205908/
[00:40] <A|X> but when i boot to the CD, and select the boot option "Install Ubuntu"   it goes to that shell,  so i'm not so sure that "can't find the root partition" is the issue
[00:40] <Guest14623> i gotta say thats for helping me , i have looked all over the net
[00:44] <Guest14623> here ya go owh http://paste.ubuntu.com/205908/
[00:44] <owh> Guest14623: I'm reading.
[00:45] <Guest14623> o sorry , i did not know if you seen it ... Thanks
[00:47] <owh> Guest14623: I'm still unclear what you're trying to achieve. Can you please explain?
[00:48] <Guest14623> i would like to have is both connections up and running being able to send and receive .
[00:48] <Guest14623> both connections to be independent with eth0 being the default connection
[00:49] <owh> Guest14623: So, should I imaging a web server serving two domains on different IPs, each using a different ppp link? Or something else?
[00:50] <owh> s/imaging/imagine/
[00:51] <hikenboot_> hello can anyone tell me the equivalent in ubuntu for emege -av nvidia-drivers?
[00:54] <Guest14623> i am running direct admin , so the 2nd nic would become name server ns1.
[00:55] <owh> Guest14623: So, if you ssh to each individual IP address, does it work?
[00:55] <Guest14623> no
[00:56] <Guest14623> i can only ssh to my nic 1 , but if nic gets disabled i can ssh to nic 2
[00:56] <Guest14623> its odd
[00:56] <owh> Guest14623: How are you disabling the interface?
[00:56] <Guest14623> i am wondering is its has somthing to do with my isp's hardware
[00:57] <Guest14623> i have no firewall up yet , nothing to block the access to the 2nd nic
[00:57] <owh> Guest14623: Again, how are you disabling the interface?
[01:00] <Guest14623> ifconfig eth0 down
[01:00] <owh> A|X: If you boot using things like disabling acpi, etc. Does it work?
[01:01] <owh> Guest14623: Does the routing table change?
[01:01] <owh> hikenboot_: On a server? The #ubuntu channel should have a !nvidia tip for you.
[01:05] <Guest14623> i have never disabled acpi . I just tried to disable eth0 (1st nic) and everything went wonky on my . it did not switch over to 2nd nic automaticially .
[01:06] <owh> Guest14623: acpi was not for you.
[01:06] <owh> Guest14623: When you disable the nic, does the routing table change?
[01:14] <hikenboot_> thanks owh
[01:14] <hikenboot_> its all about getting it working with xen...its a home server so it also a desktop
[01:15] <Guest14623> hello owh , ya the routing table does change . bascially deletes everything in the routing table
[01:16] <owh> hikenboot_: I would say for that problem. Treat it as a normal desktop first, get it working properly, then futz with it. Reduce the number of problems you're trying to solve at the same time.
[01:16] <hikenboot_> thanks owh
[01:17] <owh> Guest14623: I have the suspicion that your issue is that you have not configured your routing table. I *think* that you cannot rely on automatic behaviour in your environment. I'm no expert on routing, but there are FAQ's and HOWTO's for dual nic setups. All that you've told me indicates that this is your problem. Again, I may be completely wrong.
[01:17] <owh> hikenboot_: Pleasure.
[01:18] <scott1978> hello all: looking to turn ubuntu server into a media server for other pc's and xbox 360. looking for ideas how... any suggestions?
[01:19] <Guest14623> thanks owh , would you recommend any kind of how to's
[01:21] <A|X> owh, haven't tried.
[01:24] <scott1978> does anyone know about mediatomb?
[01:24] <owh> Guest14623: Google for "routing howto", there are several useful links there.
[01:39] <A|X> so yeah
[01:39] <A|X> it boots
[01:39] <A|X> after setting up 9.04 server
[01:39] <A|X> and says "Giving up waiting for root device
[01:39] <A|X> then goes into an initramfs shell
[01:43]  * A|X bangs his head against his desk
[01:45] <owh> A|X: All that means is that you again need to boot with it off, boot into rescue mode, update menu.1st with that kernel option - magic.
[01:47] <A|X> borgie borgie borgie
[01:47] <A|X> owh, will do.  So i'm on /dev/sda1
[01:54] <A|X> which is the root partition,  and i've just re-selected that as the root partition
[02:04] <A|X> EWASFDVXCGReqwdszxc
[03:07] <qiyong> is it good to use autofs on /home?
[03:27] <owh> qiyong: "good" in which sense?
[03:27] <qiyong> owh: good to use
[03:28] <owh> qiyong: That's like asking: "Is vi 'good' to use." - the question is meaningless. What are you trying to achieve that makes you think of using autofs.
[03:29] <qiyong> owh: to store user data centrally
[03:29] <qiyong> is autofs widely used?
[03:38] <owh> qiyong: Well, until you asked I'd never heard of it - which doesn't mean much. There was a FAQ dating back to 1998, indicating it's been around for a while. There are documents on the ubuntu.com domain. The idea seems interesting. So, I cannot give you a full throated support or denial either way. I've not looked if popcon shows it or not.
[05:05] <olman> tengo 2 red eth2 y eth0
[05:07] <olman> helpme with bridge utils
[05:28] <LiraNuna> anyone got experience with app armor?
[05:28] <maxagaz> hi
[05:29] <LiraNuna> it keeps telling me that apache2 is asking for DEFAULT_URI hat while it's already set
[05:29] <LiraNuna> when I "add" it and finish, it doesn't change a thing
[07:32] <hpierce> I need some help setting up a debug environment for Firefox...
[07:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #393357 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.15-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393357
[07:40] <hpierce> Hi... anyone home?
[07:44] <ajmitch> hpierce: this is for server-related topics, not firefox, so you're most likely to find help in another channel
[07:44] <ajmitch> probably the ubuntu mozilla team channel, in that case
[07:49] <ubuntunom> .
[07:50] <ubuntunom> hpierce: no im at work
[07:55] <hpierce> ajmitch: when my system locks up, I am not clear it is the applications fault.
[07:56] <hpierce> I suspect it's a low level library.
[07:57] <hpierce> I have seen some of the banter on the forums, and any application can lock up your system points to a deeper problem.
[07:57] <hpierce> But, if there is a dev oriented ubuntu channel, I will happily go there or move back to SuSE where I did have the problem at all.
[08:15] <\sh> moins
[10:38] <Gorlist> does anyone have a list of which ports should be opened for a standard webserver (apache, ftp, smtp etc?)
[10:39] <\sh> Gorlist: for a standard webserver? incoming only port 80
[10:39] <alex_muntada> maybe 443 too ;-)
[10:39] <Gorlist> so only port 80, does that cover smtp etc?
[10:39] <\sh> Gorlist: smtp has nothing to do with http...if you want to send mails from your webhost, you have to open port 25 from internal to external net...but nothing more...
[10:39] <Gorlist> hmm
[10:40] <Gorlist> right thanks
[10:40] <\sh> ftp (passive in your case) only if you want to update your webstuff via ftp...then it's incoming port 21 and outgoing ports >1024
[10:40] <alex_muntada> Gorlist: making your SMTP daemon listen to localhost only usually is enough
[10:41] <Gorlist> Will go through it :) ive got ufw set to Deny allow currently
[11:00] <aljosa> i was looking at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ and searching for nagios section but nothing is there. is something else recommended instead of nagios?
[11:06] <alex_muntada> aljosa: a few days ago this topic was mentioned on the channel, it would seem that nagios is the "blessed" package for monitoring since it's in main
[11:07] <alex_muntada> however, no mention on the server guide, true
[11:36] <TJ`> hey new to ubuntu server
[11:37] <TJ`> can anyone help me out with routes?
[11:37] <TJ`> have 192.168.x.x and 10.1.5.x etc
[11:37] <TJ`> the server is on 10.x
[11:37] <TJ`> not seeing 192.x
[11:58] <bogeyd6> TJ`,  you need static route
[12:08] <rc55> Hi - I have a nameserver in Gentoo but it's ancient - apart copying from /var/bind and bind.conf (assuming this is correct), is there anything else i need to do assuming bind is installed on ubuntu (server 8.04.2)?
[12:53] <_ruben> rc55: you might need to alter you config / dir layout a bit .. other than that you should be fine .. (/etc/bind/named.conf and /var/cache/bind/ (or everything under /etc/bind/) tend to be the paths to use)
[12:53] <_ruben> oh and perhaps your rndc config/keys
[13:25] <heath|work> good morning.
[13:26] <RoyK> hi all. I have setup open-iscsi, but I have a little issue - how can I make that start before fstab is parsed?
[13:27] <heath|work> I am working on a system (web portal) for users from multiple domains to login and get access network resources between different systems like mail, web cms, users for their domain, etc. Is a LDAP server the best solution for this situation?
[13:43] <sommer> heath|work: I like LDAP for that type of setup... of course depending on the number of users another system may fit you better.
[13:45] <heath|work> hi sommer, the number of users will increase over the years. I am looking at open-exchange for the mail and calendar portion. According to their docs if will authenticate against LDAP. Using LDAP from an admin side looks a bit intimidating though.
[13:45] <heath|work> if => it
[13:49] <rags> I have a ipsec tunnel from a remote server and my ubuntu server here..the ubuntu server has two interfaces..one on .1 and the other .2...the ip sec is configured such tht  systems on Lan(.2) can access the tunnel.
[13:49] <rags> the problem is while other systems can access the tunnel thru ubuntu, ubuntu itself is unable to access any systems
[13:50] <rags> I think this is bcause it uses the wan ip i.e. (.1) and therefore is denied access on the tunnel...
[13:54] <heath|work> rags, Any systems?
[13:54] <rags> heath|work: systems on the remote n/w...
[13:54] <rags> heath|work: I mean using the tunnel
[13:54] <ivoks> so, ubuntu has two ips on two interfaces from the same C class?
[13:55] <rags> ivoks: no..sryy forgot tht....one is wan ip and the other is lan
[13:55] <heath|work> static routes?
[13:55] <rags> the wan is on the .1 n/w connected to a modem...and .2 is on the lan
[13:55] <ivoks> i realize that, can you tell us which ip exactly?
[13:55] <ivoks> so, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:56] <rags> ivoks: yes...exactly
[13:56] <rags> no..sorry
[13:56] <ivoks> so, how do you expect ubuntu to find <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:56] <rags> ivoks: different subnets
[13:56] <ivoks> ok then
[13:57] <rags> ivoks: <IP_ADDRESS> is the wan side..cconnected to the modem..and <IP_ADDRESS> is the lan with a couple of systems
[13:57] <ivoks> and the tunnel?
[13:57] <rags> the ip-sec is to a .4 n/w...which systems on the lan have no problem accessing, but from ubuntu itself it fails
[13:58] <ivoks> so, it's <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:58] <rags> no...(.4) subnet...
[13:58] <_ruben> rags: using openswan or racoon?
[13:58] <ivoks> ok
[13:58] <rags> like <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:59] <rags> class C n/w...I think It is because of the two interfaces...I feel ubuntu is using the wan interface thru the tunnel or something..
[13:59] <_ruben> it most likely is
[14:00] <ivoks> use mtr
[14:00] <_ruben> the route to the remote network needs to have a src ip specified
[14:00] <ivoks> mtr IP
[14:00] <_ruben> damnit
[14:00] <_ruben> just did a dist-upgrade (including kernel) on my jaunty system .. now it fails to boot because it cant find my lvm
[14:00] <rags> mtr??...k...it's a packet capture?
[14:01] <heath|work> why can't you just add a route to those machines?
[14:01] <_ruben> ip route get <IP_ADDRESS> will show that its using the wrong source ip (not the one covered by ipsec)
[14:04] <rags__> heath|work: can't because ipsec is weird and I'm still trying to figure it out...the routes for ipsec can't be seen using normal route commands...
[14:04] <rags__> _ruben: I'm using racoon
[14:12] <_ruben> rags: never used racoon myself .. but trick is most likely do add a(n extra) route
[14:12] <rags__> Can't because ipsec is weird and I'm still trying to figure it out...the routes for ipsec can't be seen using normal route commands...
[14:12] <_ruben> sudo ip route add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 via you.r.gate.way src <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:13] <_ruben> if that doesnt work, then racoon sucks even more than i thought
[14:13] <_ruben> using openswan myself
[14:13] <rags__> _ruben: I mean it uses the spd ans sa for routing traffic and bringing the tunnel..
[14:13] <_ruben> rags__: the spds and sas are just fine .. using that route you'll actually be using em
[14:14] <_ruben> its more of a routing issue than ipsec really
[14:14] <rags__> _ruben: I'll try,but currently there are no routes at all to the tunnel n/w
[14:14] <_ruben> rags__: doesnt matter
[14:14] <rags__> it magically routes the packets thru the tunnels
[14:14] <rags__> _ruben: k...I'll try tht..
[14:14] <_ruben> its just a "helper" route .. it doesnt do any routing, its just there to change the src ip
[14:16] <rags__> the gateway is ubuntu it self...?
[14:18] <_ruben> it's its default gateway
[14:22] <rags__> _ruben: nope not working...
[14:22] <_ruben> rags__: try $ ping <IP_ADDRESS> -I <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:22] <_ruben> assuming <IP_ADDRESS> exists
[14:23] <_ruben> also, do you have any NAT rules in place?
[14:24] <rags__> _ruben: I tried the interface ping...still not wokring...and yes I am usint NATT
[14:26] <_ruben> if even -I for ping doesnt work, NAT is another very likely problem
[14:26] <_ruben> source ip and NAT are the 2 most common issues with ipsec :)
[14:27] <_ruben> ow .. not just NAT, NAT-T even .. jikes .. nat traversal complicates things even more (which i should've noticed before)
[14:28] <_ruben> nat-t i never really had to mess with .. but be sure to double check your nat rules so that you dont nat your traffic thats supposed to go through the tunnel
[14:29] <rags__> _ruben: everything is working fine actually, only ubuntu is giving problems...
[14:34] <heath|work> anyone using virtualmin?
[14:37] <heath|work> or know if webmin can control multiple servers through one portal?
[14:42] <ewook> heath|work: you can setup relationships between webmin, yes.
[14:43] <heath|work> ewook, thanks, I am looking through the docs, but I haven't found anything on that yet.
[14:43] <ewook> oh.
[14:43] <ewook> heath|work: sry, can't point you in the right direction.
[14:44] <heath|work> it's cool. Just knowing it may do what I need is good enough to try it out.
[14:44] <ewook> left webmin behind after it destroyed a couple of config's for me a while back due to falty behaviour.
[14:46] <_ruben> !webmin
[14:46] <_ruben> ;)
[14:48] <rsr> hi
[14:50] <rsr> what is the option virtual machine host about? Does it tune the kernel for better performance as a virtual appliance server?
[15:00] <heath|work> rsr, during install?
[15:00] <rsr> yes
[15:01] <_ruben> rsr: it install kvm and its friends
[15:01] <rsr> theres an option on install
[15:01] <heath|work> _ruben, is there anything similar to it?
[15:01] <rsr> although I dont have hardware virtualization
[15:01] <_ruben> heath|work: similar to webmin? ebox
[15:01] <heath|work> rsr, kvm quem and everything
[15:01] <rsr> isnt kvm for hardware?
[15:01] <heath|work> _ruben, I will check it out now, thanks
[15:01] <_ruben> rsr: me neither, so uninstalled it again .. which deleted lvm2 package .. which made my new kernels unbootable .. sigh
[15:01] <rsr> my hardware doesnt support virtualization
[15:01] <_ruben> rsr: then dont install that option :)
[15:01] <heath|work> lol
[15:02] <rsr> ok
[15:02] <rsr> so I can just use kvm wthout the hardware virt support?
[15:02] <_ruben> dont think so .. qemu doesnt require it, but is dog slow
[15:02] <_ruben> without hardware support i'd go for either virtualbox or a vmware product
[15:02] <_ruben> or perhaps xen
[15:04] <rsr> _ruben: does virtualbox need a gui?
[15:04] <_ruben> rsr: dunno, never used it :)
[15:04] <_ruben> im a vmware guy
[15:04] <rsr> really?
[15:04] <rsr> is vmware opensource?
[15:05] <soren> No.
[15:05] <heath|work> virtualbox doesn't need a gui no
[15:05] <rsr> ok
[15:05] <_ruben> there's some free products though
[15:05] <soren> The open source version does.
[15:05] <heath|work> and I believe virt-manager can control it now
[15:06] <heath|work> I've been extremely happy with kvm so far
[15:06] <rsr> heath|work: Can I use kvm without hardware support?
[15:06] <heath|work> no id o not think so, how many virts are you trying to run?
[15:07] <rsr> I am starting a business based on joomla and sugarcrm so I will have an appliance for each client
[15:07] <soren> rsr: Yes, but it'll be as slow as qemu (i.e. very likely not useful at all).
[15:07] <rsr> righ now I only have one client
[15:08] <rsr> soren: what do you think I should go for? I only use opensource though
[15:08] <heath|work> rsr, it would be worth getting a hvm capable cpu and using kvm
[15:08] <rsr> heath|work: I cant spend the cash right now
[15:08] <rsr> I have to do with an athlon xp 22000+
[15:08] <soren> rsr: Better hardware :)
[15:08] <rsr> 2200
[15:10] <_ruben> xp 2200+ for hosting .. heh
[15:10] <_ruben> my 1700+ does a nice job as just file server.. wouldnt expect it to do much more
[15:10] <rsr> _ruben: dont underestimate...we have too much hardware power nowadays
[15:11] <rsr> an athlon xp 2200+ was just about a server platform 5 years ago
[15:11] <_ruben> tell that to the dual quad core xeons running esxi at work :p
[15:11] <rsr> hey
[15:11] <rsr> isnt esxi opensource and gpl?
[15:11] <_ruben> no .. its free though (under certain circumstances)
[15:12] <rsr> oh
[15:12] <heath|work> rsr, I just spent $150 and got 4gb of ram a hvm amd cpu and a video card
[15:12] <heath|work> from newegg
[15:12] <rsr> yeah I dont plan on spending any money
[15:12] <rsr> i built the server out of spare parts
[15:12] <rsr> im a startup
[15:13] <rsr> has a pretty fast fsb and HD though
[15:13] <heath|work> rsr, be careful with esxi, when you need to scale you could be spending big bucks
[15:13] <rsr> no I wont use it
[15:13] <rsr> I tend to stick to free technology
[15:13] <heath|work> We had a call with them last week... ouch
[15:14] <rsr> Ill have to try an alternative solution
[15:14] <heath|work> _ruben, do you know if ebox will manage multiple servers?
[15:15] <rsr> maybe ill have to install a gui for virtualbox since someone here said open source version doesnt support the command line
[15:15] <heath|work> rsr, why not just do virtual hosting and have 1 server?
[15:15] <rsr> heath|work: what do you mean?
[15:16] <heath|work> you just want a web server right?
[15:16] <rsr> pretty much...I could just install a turnkey ubuntu
[15:16] <rsr> ever heard of it?
[15:16] <rsr> but my idea was to use turnkeys on a host for easy backup
[15:17] <heath|work> rsr, this is a setup for hosting: http://howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-9.04-ispconfig-2
[15:17] <heath|work> That will cover email for your clients, hosting, ftp access, and they will have some control of those settings if you grant it to them
[15:18] <rsr> yes
[15:18] <rsr> pretty nice walkthrough
[15:26] <kwork> Address                  HWtype  HWaddress           Flags Mask            Iface
[15:26] <kwork> <IP_ADDRESS>                      (incomplete)                              vlan260
[15:26] <kwork> why does it show incomplete as hwadr ?
[15:55] <bytenik> Hi there. I have compiled a new kernel from source on one computer, and created .deb packages from it. I then installed the packages and was up and running on the new kernel. Now I copied those packages over to another system and installed them, but some source packages complain even though I installed headers.
[16:08] <heath|work> ebox 1.0 not on jaunty ?
[16:12] <pmatulis> !info ebox jaunty
[16:29] <heath|work> I am amazed at how well KVM works over nfs
[16:29] <henkjan> heath|work: no troubles with migration?
[16:30] <heath|work> that's next on the list. I just got my new machine build with a hvm cpu so I can test that out.
[16:32] <heath|work> henkjan, I was thinking about trying glusterFS. Have you had any experience with that?
[16:33] <Steve[mbp]> morning everyone!
[16:34] <heath|work> morning!
[16:34] <Steve[mbp]> ^_^
[16:34] <uvirtbot`> Steve[mbp]: Error: "_^" is not a valid command.
[16:35]  * Steve[mbp] kicks uvirtbot` for thinking that an emote is a command
[16:38] <heath|work> do you think hdparm would be an accurate test for testing virts rum over nfs?
[16:53] <jmedina> heath|work: I always use bonnie++ or iozone
[16:54] <heath|work> jmedina, I will check those out
[17:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #393528 in bacula (universe) "package bacula-director-mysql 2.4.4-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393528
[18:03] <remote> is the `wl' module present in the ubuntu-server installation disc?
[18:26] <Jared555> hello, is there any way to make sure sysctl.conf is loaded fully for virtual machine bridging?
[18:27] <Jared555> currently the settings which control if bridges are sent through iptables are not loaded
[18:31] <jon_high9000> hello. I am trying to setup a mail server with postfix dovecot procmail and fetchmail. is there a simplistic way to set this up?
[18:31] <ScottK> jon_high9000: What Ubuntu release are you using?
[18:31] <jon_high9000> 9.04
[18:32] <ScottK> jon_high9000: Also why procmail?  You've already got dovecot for a delivery agent.
[18:32] <ScottK> jon_high9000: For Dovecot and Postfix, sudo apt-get install dovecot-postfix.
[18:32] <jon_high9000> Scottk: I am very green at this.
[18:33] <ScottK> jon_high9000: OK.    Installing dovecot-postfix will give you a basic working config for getting mail delivered.
[18:33] <jon_high9000> Scott: I imagine it shows. lol
[18:33] <ScottK> You'll also want to look into spam and virus scanning.  See amavisd-new in the Ubuntu server guide.
[18:35] <jon_high9000> Scottk: do i need to install the Server cd? or can i just install it on my desktop?
[18:35] <ScottK> You can install it on your desktop if you're using it for that function too.
[18:36] <jon_high9000> is there any setup instructions for newbies?
[18:36] <jon_high9000> I have a gmail account as well
[18:36] <ScottK> The server guide has setup information.
[18:37] <webtech-m33> jon_high9000: there is a lot of good how tos on howtoforge.com
[18:38] <ScottK> webtech-m33: Generally it's better to use the Ubuntu docs if they cover what you need.  Most of what he needs is there.
[18:38] <jon_high9000> Scottk: I understand that dovecot has mbox feature which as i understand means that i can still use thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS>.22
[18:39] <ScottK> It does, but I don't know the details.  mbox is so 1990's.
[18:40] <jon_high9000> Scottk: I hear ya. but unfortunately till they change the type of mailboxes we maybe using for the duration as far as i know.
[18:42] <_ruben> it doesnt matter what the MTA uses to store the mails .. since you'd be using dovecot, you'd fetch them using pop3/imap .. how your MUA then stores that data, is entirely up to the MUA
[18:42] <jon_high9000> Scottk:then again, I am very green.
[18:42] <ScottK> jon_high9000: AFAIK you're correct for Thunderbird.
[18:48] <jon_high9000> Scottk: so i use should use postfix amavis-new dovecot-postfix thunderbird as the mail client.
[18:49] <ScottK> jon_high9000: Read the amavisd-new information in Ubuntu server guide.  You'll want to add spamassassin and clamav to that.
[18:51] <jon_high9000> on the dovecot-postfix do i also install primary package postfix itself i assume?
[18:51] <frojnd> I've replug the external usb disk and check the dmesg before: http://pastebin.com/mb51dd76 and after: http://pastebin.com/m6ac1fed0 but there is no difference... My external usb disk is cold if I touch it... any ideas how can i check if it's completely dead? fdisk -l wont find external disk
[18:52] <ScottK> jon_high9000: dovecot-postfix will pull it in via dependency if it's not already installed.
[18:52] <jon_high9000> Scottk: I will look over the server guide . no problem
[18:53] <jon_high9000> thank you very much for your help. it was greatly appreciated.
[18:54] <jon_high9000> cya
[19:02] <frojnd> ah..
[19:02] <frojnd> wring dc adapter
[19:02] <frojnd> wrong
[20:14] <histo> is there a way to know whether a server requires a restart due to updates?
[20:16] <Linux_Time> a friend of me wan't to install a ubuntu version (8.10) on his 'homeserver' at a virtual machiene - how can i «downgrade» from Desktop to Serverversion? is the only difference KDE/Gnome Packs or more..?
[20:20] <maxb> AFAIK the only difference between Ubuntu "server" and "desktop" flavours is the selection of packages that are installed
[20:28] <ivoks> and kernel
[20:28] <maxb> the kernel is in a package :-)
[20:30] <ivoks> ?
[20:30] <heath|work> couldn't you start with apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[20:31] <heath|work> I can't make my mind up for our auth backend: OpenLDAP or MYSQL? any suggestions?
[20:38] <ivoks> for what?
[20:49] <Sam-I-Am> heath|work: openldap is not in the same category as mysql
[20:49] <Sam-I-Am> openldap can use a mysql backend...
[20:49] <heath|work> OpenLDAP seems pretty difficult to get a grip on. I've been reading about it a little bit.
[20:50] <Sam-I-Am> heath|work: its not bad... depends on what you're trying to do.  i'm not aware of anything that'll use mysql directly for auth tho.
[20:50] <heath|work> We will be running multiple systems (mail, web apps, etc) and it looks like OpenLDAP would be the best
[20:53] <heath|work> We will have lots of users with from different domains<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, so I am a little confused on how OpenLDAP will provide what we need.
[20:54] <heath|work> well.. just found Phaam and it looks promising
[20:54] <Sam-I-Am> you might want to check into zimbra
[20:55] <Sam-I-Am> its a package based on openldap and mail stuff that handles multiple domains and whatnot out of the box
[20:55] <Sam-I-Am> but you can do it with plain openldap and mail stuff
[20:55] <heath|work> sorry that was phamm
[20:55] <Sam-I-Am> that might work too... hadnt heard of it until now
[20:55] <heath|work> we are using open-exchange
[22:26] <Harryy> Hi. How would I set Ubuntu to use GMT+0 as the default system time? I have /etc/default/rcS UTC=yes, but it still shows my local time (GMT -5) :S
[22:27] <diffra> Harryy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata should work
[22:28] <diffra> or, simply, cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/GMT /etc/localtime
[22:28] <Harryy> oh cool thanks
[22:29] <Harryy> h@ubuntu:~$ uptime
[22:29] <Harryy> 21:29:03 up 1 day, 2:13, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00
[22:29] <Harryy> yay win :D
[23:08] <donspaulding> I want to enable an outside company to use SFTP to copy files to and from my Hardy server.  I want the files to live under the home directory of an existing user on the server, but I want the outsiders chrooted to a sub-directory, not the whole home dir, and without any shell access.  Can this be done with OpenSSH?  Can someone point me to the right docs?
[23:15] <Vog> donspaulding: you want an sftp server that uses ftp accounts
[23:15] <Vog> just asec trying to find a good doc.... *google is your friend*
[23:17] <Vog> this might work too but you'll need to setup specific permissions on the directories you mentioned. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/rhel-centos-linux-install-configure-rssh-shell.html
[23:19] <donspaulding> Vog: thanks, looking at the RSSH article now.
[23:57] <billybigrigger> hey all
[23:57] <billybigrigger> anyone here use webalizer for stats?
[23:58] <billybigrigger> anyone know how to get webalizer to read multiple log files? all i can see it that it will read a log file, access.log, but apache rotates it way too often for me, i think every week, so i have access.log .0 .1 and webalizer isn't showing full stats


[00:27] <gsfe> in your opinion is a male with a PhD attractive to women?
[03:07] <mapps> well work was boring;]
[09:58] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:03]  * brobostigon points at his pebble with a true binary watchface on it, :)
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: brain.. hurts.. :)
[10:03] <brobostigon> :D
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: coworker at my previous job had a binary clock on his desk, by the time I'd read it, it was a few minutes later 8-)
[10:04] <brobostigon> i see. oh dear. not enough practice.
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> :(
[10:09] <brobostigon> i still have to think a while aswell, but i am getting better at reading it.
[10:10] <brobostigon> and practising to read it, before the backlight goes off, especially when its dark out.
[10:12] <ali12341> when you say "true" binary watchface
[10:12] <ali12341> i can only assume you mean it shows seconds since the epoch as a 64 bit integer?
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> which epoch though
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Unix? Apple?
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Windows? Excel?
[10:14] <brobostigon> three colums, one showing hour, one minutes the other seconds, 1/2/4/8/16/32 in each colum, in 24 hour format.
[10:16] <brobostigon> ali12341: i think the format they call it, is a bcs-sexagesimal type.
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> so not bcd? :)
[11:49] <brobostigon> no.
[11:50] <popey> Morning
[11:50] <brobostigon> bcd is too easy.
[11:50] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:51] <DJones> Does anybody have any experience with the 'cheaper' supermarket tablets, been asked to have a look for a reasonable tablet for a 73 year old who's reasonably computer literate, doesn't want ipad etc because of cost, debating whether the supermarket/kindle/kobo ones are a good buy for basic web browsing, email etc, its highly unlikely to have any heavy use apps installed
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> DJones: they work, but don't expect them to be very useful after 1 (maybe 2) years
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> so factor in replacement costs :)
[11:59]  * brobostigon hugs his nexus7.
[12:01] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Yeah, thats my thought, I'd rather she paid extra for the N7, even if its the 16Gb model, its not as if she'll be downloading movies/music etc to it, so I don't think she'll use the extra memory the 32Gb model has
[12:11] <penguin42> for some odd reason Amazon are selling a life size model of a standing pig - and it's going to be on discount
[12:12] <brobostigon> reminds me of the floating pig, pink floyd used on some of there concerts.
[12:12] <penguin42> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B5S356C/  doesn't look like it would float
[12:13] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: float, or fly? :)
[12:13] <brobostigon> :)
[12:14] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Ah well yes, perhaps it delivers itself
[12:15] <brobostigon> also, the benefit of a nexus is you get good android updates, unlike an unsupported tablet, you may never get android updates ever.
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> s/may/certainly/
[12:15] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:20] <penguin42> damn, Tesco had an offer on for Asus Memopads at #69 - that I would have bought - all out of stock
[12:34] <popey> DJones: my sister and her SO have got Amazon Kindle tablets for xmas, they aren't techy, but seem very happy with them.
[12:35] <popey> there's also the "May Day" button in the kindle to think of
[12:35] <popey> Someone amusingly posted about the difference between the Apple iPad advert and the Amazon Kindle adverts..
[12:35] <popey> the iPad advert shows someone pressing a couple of buttons and sending a video to the TV easily. The kindle advert shows someone needing help doing that and having to call may day to do it ☻
[12:36] <DJones> popey: Thanks, by choice I think I'll suggest the cheaper N7
[12:36] <popey> The new 2013 N7?
[12:43] <DJones> Yes
[12:44] <DJones> It'll make things easier for me giving any support, I can talk her through things using mine as an example & to check exactly what each screen should show
[12:46] <DJones> I've got an N7, my wife has, mother-in-law has, so plenty of people to give advice rather than trying to explain something on a Kindle/Hudl etc withg a different UI that I don't know
[12:51] <popey> yeah, wise
[13:15] <foobarry> does hudl have a different ui?
[13:18] <foobarry> just saw people rushing into selfridges in the sale. every single person of the first 250or so   rushing through the door was oriental/japanese. why's  that?
[13:19] <foobarry> only tourists are first in queue for sales? japanese national sport?
[13:20] <DJones> I think the hudl has a 'tesco' overlay above the android os
[13:20] <foobarry> kindle ui is terrible
[13:21] <DJones> popey: Must admit, I'm quite tempted to have a look at the dual booting for Android/Ubuntu Touch thats been announced, need to read up a bit more to see whether its N7 2013 compatible or just original N7 first
[13:58] <foobarry> what the heck.  did a search on a tame topic on the kobo site and got a page full of smut
[14:05] <DJones> foobarry: Just don't search for vampire books, they pretty much all seem to 'erotic novels', you don't get vampires = nasty, scary things anymore
[14:07] <foobarry> it wasn't even romance/erotic novels
[14:07] <foobarry> it was pornographic content
[14:08] <neuro> doo de doo de doo
[14:10]  * neuro is trying to build up willpower to tidy up and move old telly out of the way before going to currys to collect new one
[14:10] <neuro> and not to sit and watch the celtic game at 3 :P
[14:11]  * foobarry was unwell in the night and moping around  at home sans family
[14:12] <foobarry> arggh man utd just scored
[14:13] <neuro> ha ha
[14:21] <neuro> 13:15 <foobarry> does hudl have a different ui?
[14:21] <neuro> no
[14:22] <neuro> it's just stock android with some tesco apps preloaded, iirc
[14:22] <foobarry> ah, good
[14:38] <mapps> hk everytime i try wireless cracking on my own network..it never works:)
[14:39] <mapps> tried with 3 different wireless cards and somehow gets nowhere!
[14:40] <mapps> urgh holidays are a pain..tesco shuts at 7;/
[14:47] <foobarry> cracking WPA2?
[14:50] <jpickett> mapps, depends on the wireless cards you're using
[15:48] <mapps> yea
[15:48] <mapps> foobarry,  trying to
[15:48] <mapps> but only on my own network just for interest
[17:12]  * SuperEngineer is rather impressed with the workings of Synaptic - tried Choqok twitter client - authorises ok [despite what it says in software Centre Centre comments] - but doesn't work in any other way...
[17:13] <SuperEngineer> ...so decided to remove it - found it installed a load of kde stuff! Darn! went to Synaptic, searched for all "kde" under installed & marked all [execpt those which were not relevent...
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> ..on hitting "apply it removed some selected entries and then carried on - those were indeed wanted packages [&not kde} - impressed!
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> [all that was needed after was to remove .kde & run spt- autoclean - system back to normal - :)
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> *apt
[17:18] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Easiest way to get all the kde stuff is to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: but I wanted the reverse.  i.e. not to have it
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> [choqok installed it - choqok doesn't work - kde therefore an extra weight to carry
[17:21] <penguin42> ah
[17:21] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: The trick to doing that is rather jenga like - you need to find a library that all the KDE stuff and nothing else depends on and then remove that
[17:21] <SuperEngineer> ...disk space back to exactly where it was pre-choqok - a good measure of effective uninstall in this case
[17:23] <SuperEngineer> ...synaptic found it for me - and unmarked the entries I added to "completely remove" for me
[17:24] <SuperEngineer> sometimes success is accidental ;)
[17:27] <penguin42> nice :-)
[17:49] <bigcalm> Evening peeps :)
[17:50] <penguin42> hey bigcalm
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> 0/
[17:51] <bigcalm> I should not be let near pringles
[17:52] <bigcalm> As an adult, nobody can tell me 'no' or 'enough'
[17:54] <penguin42> they're reasonably safe with me; it's chocolate I have the problem with
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> but as adults we *can* shout STOP - naughty,nayghty - now go drink a pint of salt water [...& then we can all laugh thinking of the result]
[17:55]  * bigcalm shudders
[18:03] <bigcalm> Any suggestions for a decent blu-ray player with iPlayer/YouTube and the like?
[18:52] <directhex> oh gods he's waving goodbye to iggle piggle
[19:40] <ali12341> those "smart" blu-ray players are actually rubbish
[19:40] <ali12341> get one of those chrome dongle things instead
[19:58] <directhex> the smart blu-ray players use the same software stack from the smart TVs
[19:58] <directhex> market reviews say samsung does it best, but don't expect long-term support. lovefilm got yanked from my samsung a couple of months ago
[19:58] <penguin42> any idea why?
[19:59] <directhex> maintenance nightmare
[19:59] <directhex> smart TVs are in the same place mobile phones were before ios/android, from a fragmentation perspective. no reliable API on all devices, so lots of per-manufacturer-model-series apps to write
[20:00] <penguin42> aren't some of the TVs android?
[20:00] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_TV_platforms_and_middleware_software
[20:00] <directhex> penguin42, i don't remember any android TVs in the wild
[20:00] <directhex> LG will start shipping WebOS TVs next year
[20:01] <penguin42> hang on - you mean what was on HPs tablets?
[20:01] <directhex> yes
[20:01] <penguin42> ok, weird choice
[20:01] <directhex> replacing their NetCast stack
[20:04] <daftykins> i often switch my TV on to an update
[20:05] <daftykins> and once Samsung decide this range are ready to be ditched, likely things will slowly stop functioning (like even the iPlayer)
[20:06] <penguin42> wasn't there a case about that a while ago - the whole question of removing a feature you bought it for
[20:09] <daftykins> oh it was a regional issue, if i just let myself connect direct over my Guernsey internet connection, i couldn't get Channel 4's 4oD application. However if I proxy'd via England it'd offer it to me fine
[20:10] <daftykins> i'm not sure if it's been solved yet, but months later i did get a message saying it was being worked on (after many fob-off replies)
[20:10] <daftykins> in fairness i'm not even after using it, it was just that i should be able to and i get a bit moany if us Channel Islanders are treated differently :)
[20:29] <foobarry> i used to think the film wild geese was amazing when i was a kid. just watched it, its rubbish.
[20:30] <foobarry> where eagles dare is still good though
[20:31] <shauno> see, how on earth is this fair; http://www.meteoalarm.eu/maps/EU-131226.gif
[20:31] <popey> Evening all.
[21:01] <daftykins> happy boxing day mr. popey
[21:23] <popey> Hey daftykins, thanks, how was your xmas?
[21:26] <daftykins> good thank you :) just a small affair at my parents house with my grandma too
[21:26] <daftykins> 92 she is now - shared tales of her evacuation time during WW2
[21:28] <daftykins> popey: and yours? :)
[21:29] <popey> Yeah, usual. Ate too much
[21:30] <popey> Got Sam a Scalextric which has been pretty much permanently on since setup.
[21:31] <foobarry> which one popey ?
[21:31] <popey> just the basic non-digital one
[21:31] <foobarry> thats good memories getting made right there
[21:32] <daftykins> :)
[21:32] <popey> yeah, it was hilarious fun
[21:32] <popey> the cars coming off and slamming into the cupboard happened quite a bit
[21:32] <popey> has a cross-roads so Sam tries to time it to go over the crossroads to slam into my car
[21:34] <daftykins> XD
[21:34] <daftykins> wee destructive so-and-so!
[21:35] <popey> I got some bluetooth headphones and discovered two bugs in ubuntu as a result ☻
[21:35] <daftykins> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Tomy-AFX-Vertigo-Scalextric-Boxed-Slot-Car-Set-2x-BMW-cars-9m-track-Complete-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/EfUAAOxyYYlRtOQ4/$%28KGrHqRHJE8FGTqt26muBRtOQ38Tg!~~60_35.JPG
[21:35] <daftykins> i had that set as a kid
[21:36] <shauno> fancy.  we had the figure-8
[21:37] <daftykins> :D
[21:37] <TwistedLucidity> We couldn't afford the 8. All we had was the 4 and we considered ourselves lucky!
[21:37] <popey> http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/c1284-scalextric-mclaren-mp4-12c-set/
[21:37] <popey> that's the one we got
[21:38] <penguin42>  YorkshireManSketch<scalextric(4)>
[22:50] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:04] <popey> hi sebsebseb
[23:04] <popey> happy christmas etc
[23:05] <sebsebseb> popey: yep Merry Christmas or Happy Boxing day?
[23:09] <popey> ☻
[23:09] <diddledan> merry everyone
[23:10] <diddledan> (after a beer or two?)
[23:24] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I've got nginx with php5-fpm running on a debian machine, periodically, php5 will fail producing 502 errors. The "solution" is to restart php5-fpm every time it fails. Can anyone help me to fix this properly?
[23:25] <Azelphur> the log files seem to be fairly useless, it actually looks like php5-fpm is still running, even though the webserver cant connect to it (resource temporarily unavailable, it says in the logs)
[23:26] <ali12341> it's probably running out of sockets, or files, or memory, or something
[23:26] <Azelphur> \o/
[23:26] <Azelphur> [25-Dec-2013 04:41:10] WARNING: [pool www] server reached pm.max_children setting (5), consider raising it
[23:26] <Azelphur> I do get that in the php logs from time to time, but its only a warning?
[23:27] <ali12341> yeah well that is probably related
[23:27] <ali12341> it's probably running out of everything
[23:28] <Azelphur> as for memory, there's 16GB+32GB swap, it ain't running out of memory.
[23:28] <ali12341> php has limits that are unrelated to how much memory the hardware has
[23:29] <ali12341> basically php is crap and without those limitations it will bring down the machine by using up all resources
[23:29] <ali12341> the best way to fix this is stop using php
[23:29] <Azelphur> ali12341: already in the process of doing that, one of my sites is python based :)
[23:36] <Azelphur> raised pm.max_children, hopefully that'll solve it.


[13:17] <wrst> morning everyone
[15:25] <wrst> hello Xpistos
[15:26] <Xpistos> hy
[15:27] <wrst> how are you doing Xpistos ?
[15:28] <Xpistos> ok
[15:28] <Xpistos> trying to configure toaster for winamp
[19:19]  * wrst celebrates another exciting day in #ubuntu-us-tn :)
[21:36] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/12/03/unity-on-fedora-possibly/
[21:48]  * cyberanger likes wrst's scarsam
[21:49] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: intresting
[22:03] <pace_t_zulu> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/allegations-openbsd-backdoors-may-be-true
[22:03] <pace_t_zulu> Allegations of OpenBSD Backdoors May be True
[22:50] <wrst> cyberanger: hello
[22:56] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[22:56] <cyberanger> how's the day
[22:56] <cyberanger> OpenBSD's are in hell though
[22:57] <wrst> yes i saw that what exactly does all that mean cyberanger ?
[22:57] <wrst> and the days been good how about you?
[22:59] <cyberanger> well, my days could be better, but not bad
[23:00] <wrst> cyberanger: gotta run for a few then i think i will install natty again when i get back in tonight
[23:00] <cyberanger> the OpenBSD bit, well, it's an engineered security weakness (on what I read that makes more sense than an outright backdoor, but there's no proof anyhow)
[23:01] <cyberanger> ok, I'll hold the answer for later
[23:01]  * cyberanger is gonna go play Russian Roullete with an unloaded gun
[23:01] <wrst> cyberanger: ok sounds like i pretty much did understand the article... i don't always :) catch you later!
[23:01] <wrst> leave the gun alone
[23:01] <wrst> :)
[23:02]  * cyberanger decieds it'd be even safer to play it on a playstation
[23:02] <wrst> there you go!
[23:02] <wrst> later
[23:02] <cyberanger> see ya wrst


[14:38] <nhaines> I am in New York working on Ubuntu.  :)
[15:13] <pleia2> please send my regards :)
[15:15] <nhaines> pleia2: will do!  :)  It's pretty nice, 200 people working together on various things to make 18.04 better.
[15:15] <nhaines> I'm currently proofreading community documentation.  :P
[15:15] <pleia2> cool :)
[15:17] <nhaines> It actually is pretty cool.  Discourse means wiki-like editing but Markdown formatting.  So far so good!


[04:47] <elcasey> hey, what's the status on the JMicron fix? Mid-next week?
[04:48] <BenC> will be uploaded Sat
[04:48] <BenC> give 24-48 hours for turn around on builds and archive process
[04:49] <BenC> I'd say by Monday for sure
[04:49] <elcasey> oh nice
[04:50] <elcasey> my current edgy install has just gotten so weird it's time to kill it, and I'd like to go with feisty now if it'll boot
[04:50] <elcasey> it's supporting ralink wifi now, or still not worked out?
[04:50] <BenC> should be working
[04:50] <BenC> which chip?
[04:51] <elcasey> final question - i know it'll support compiz "out of the box" with supported drivers...will those also run beryl?
[04:51] <elcasey> rt61
[04:52] <BenC> rt61 should work
[04:53] <BenC> if you can run compiz, you should be able to run beryl
[04:53] <elcasey> excellent!
[04:53] <BenC> beryl can be a little more intensive on the gpu though
[04:53] <elcasey> seems the latest kernel will fix basically every linux issue i was having
[04:53] <BenC> so you may not be able to run it as well
[04:53] <BenC> glad to hear it
[04:53] <elcasey> well, i have a 7950GT, but I had serious driver issues in my latests install
[04:54] <elcasey> i'm actually running beryl on my intel 915 right now, which runs great, surprisingly. I've never tried compiz, i just may check it out.
[04:55] <elcasey> what version is monday's kernel going to be? 2.6.20-15?
[05:01] <BenC> -13
[05:01] <elcasey> guess I got ahead of myself :P
[05:02] <elcasey> thanks very much, BenC
[05:02] <BenC> np
[05:16] <tritium> BenC: atheros support wasn't touched in your latest fix for 2.6.20-12.20, right?  I can't even load ath_pci.  I get "Unknown symbol ath_hal_" errors.
[05:17] <tritium> I have an AR5212
[05:17] <BenC> are you sure you didn't disable it somehow with restricted-manager?
[05:17] <tritium> I'll double check, but I highly doubt that.
[05:19] <tritium> I run it, and it simply states my hardware doesn't need any restricted drivers.
[05:21] <tritium> And "sudo restricted-manager" returns "modinfo: could not find module ath_hal" (among others)
[05:22] <BenC> sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start
[05:22] <BenC> sudo depmod -a
[05:22] <BenC> sudo modprobe ath_pci
[05:22] <BenC> see if that does anything
[05:23] <tritium> BenC: that did it.
[05:23] <tritium> Thank you.
[05:23] <BenC> np
[05:25] <tritium> I should say the module now loads, but network-manager still doesn't work with it.
[06:03] <tritium> Is wireless with atheros AR5212 known not to work with 2.6.20?
[06:45] <BenC> tritium: -13 kernel upload has a new atheros driver, so probably wait for that
[06:46] <tritium> BenC: great info.  Thanks.
[06:48] <fabbione> ah cool
[06:48] <fabbione> abi change
[06:48] <fabbione> that's exactly what i was looking for :)
[06:48] <fabbione> because also gfs2/dlm will change api ;)
[06:48] <tritium> BenC: you already uploaded it?
[06:49] <BenC> tritium: No, should be available by Monday
[06:49] <tritium> Great.  Thanks!
[06:51] <fabbione> BenC: can it wait at least your morning for upload? i want to finish to test these fixes
[06:52] <BenC> fabbione: Not uploading till Saturday (post beta)
[06:52] <fabbione> BenC: ok perfect
[06:53] <fabbione> shouldn't take me more than kernel build time + userland local rebuild and a couple of reboots to test
[07:53] <Nafallo> hi! is there any way I can stop the race where I have two controllers, one SCSI and one using libata, and can never know which disks are sdb and which are sdf?
[07:53] <Nafallo> right now sdf and sdg are my RAID1 / :-P
[07:54] <fabbione> Nafallo: no you can't. that's why we mount by UUID
[07:55] <fabbione> and what kind of problem is that anyway?
[07:55] <fabbione> RAID doesn't need to know what devices are involved anyway
[07:55] <fabbione> not to build the array at least
[07:55] <fabbione> it uses the md superblock information to assemble it
[07:55] <fabbione> so it doesn't matter how the devices are named
[07:56] <fabbione> BenC, kylem:
[07:56] <fabbione> Checking module listings...
[07:56] <fabbione> Modules have gone missing:
[07:56] <fabbione> uvcvideo
[07:56] <fabbione> Will not continue!
[07:56] <fabbione> make: *** [build]  Error 1
[07:56] <fabbione> this is latest git
[07:56] <Nafallo> well, when I tried to restart newly upgraded feisty I got dropped into initramfs after it couldn't assemble /dev/md2 :-P
[07:57] <fabbione> Nafallo: that's not a kernel issue anyway.. talk to iwj and check mdadm bug list
[07:57] <Nafallo> so right now I've booted into one of the root-mirrors by plain luck :-P
[07:57] <Nafallo> oki
[07:58] <fabbione> the race is there rather than the kernel
[07:58] <Nafallo> ah, right :-)
[08:10] <moparisthebest> does anyone know anything about the TCP congestion control plugins?
[08:10] <moparisthebest> for example, how they work, and/or how one would go about writing a new one?
[08:11] <Nafallo> fabbione: wait a moment... are we supposed to mount RAID1 as UUID now aswell?
[08:12] <fabbione> Nafallo: the filesystem on top of the raid.. yes.. if it has a uuid
[08:12] <fabbione> but the problem is that mdadm is not assembling the raid
[08:12] <fabbione> that's slightly different
[08:12] <fabbione> a raid has also a raid UUID
[08:13] <fabbione> that's not the same as the filesystem UUID on top
[08:13] <fabbione> don't get confused because they are 2 different thigns
[08:13] <Nafallo> yea, most likely cause it haven't loaded anything to get harddrives at that point :-)
[08:13] <Nafallo> so what should I have for root= on the kernel cmdline?
[08:23] <ivoks> BenC: good news: rmmoding ata_piix during installation fixes issue with older Intel IDE controlers...
[09:08] <varka> hi
[09:09] <fabbione> BenC: you were partially right about the qla firmware.. the problem is that there is no firmware for qla24xx
[09:09] <fabbione> BenC: but the others seem to build from the kernel. tho i think it would be best to just update them
[09:09] <fabbione> or at least add the qla24xx
[12:32] <fabbione> BenC: ok. i am all good with DLM and GFS2. i didn't push any update because one of them introduces a regression rather than helping
[12:32] <fabbione> BenC: so upload at will
[05:15] <Nafallo> hi! does anyone know about a bug where /dev/sdb is created but not /dev/sdb? ? :-/
[05:15] <Nafallo> ehrm
[05:15] <Nafallo> -EWRONGCHAN
[06:28] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:29] <Nafallo> my 120GB PATA100 disks say they doesn't support smart anymore
[06:29] <Nafallo> should I hate libata now? :-)
[09:01] <mvo> hello! did the edgy->feisty kernel changes include a change in the device for cdroms? it looks like /dev/hdc (edgy) changed to /dev/scd0
[09:01] <mvo> (feisty)
[09:01] <Mithrandir> mvo: quite possibly.
[09:01] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[09:01] <Nafallo> for libata stuff it should have atleast
[09:02] <mvo> so we need a upgrade strategy
[09:03] <Nafallo> oh?
[09:04] <Nafallo> /dev/cdrom isn't the default in fstab?
[09:10] <mvo> on my test-install its /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab (fresh edgy install)
[09:11] <Nafallo> ouch :-)
[09:35] <mjg59> mvo: It should be /dev/cdrom
[09:35] <mjg59> Are you sure you haven't changed that by hand?
[09:36] <mvo> mjg59: yes. I did a fresh install for the upgrade testing
[09:36] <mvo> (fresh edgy install that is)
[09:37] <mjg59> Hm. Fun.
[09:38] <mvo> I also have a "/dev/          /media/floppy0" line
[10:42] <bdmurray> my laptop has a sd/ms-pro/mmc/xd reader and when I insert an xD card in it the kernel doesn't report it
[10:42] <bdmurray> How could I track that down or get some more useful information?
[10:44] <mjg59> It's not supported
[10:45] <bdmurray> well, that makes it easy.  Is that true for all devices like that?
[10:49] <mjg59> The only xd readers we support are ones that connect via USB
[10:54] <bdmurray> Oh, so the one in my desktop is connected via USB.  So if future bugs come in about on board xd media readers they should be rejected?
[10:57] <mjg59> No, it's a valid bug
[10:57] <mjg59> It's just not one that's going to be fixed in the near future
[10:58] <bdmurray> Is there a "master" bug for those then?  One that all dupes should go to?
[11:03] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:04] <Nafallo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11752/
[11:04] <Nafallo> what does that mean? :-)
[11:05] <mjg59> Nafallo: Context?
[11:05] <Nafallo> ata7.01 (sde) failed in the RAID5-array :-/
[11:06] <Nafallo> and that paste is from dmesg
[11:06] <Nafallo> should I be worried? :-)
[11:06] <mjg59> What kernel?
[11:06] <mjg59> And does this always happen?
[11:07] <Nafallo> latest feisty
[11:07] <Nafallo> 2.6.20-12-server
[11:07] <Nafallo> no idea. the disk is new to me. plugged it in yesterday :-)
[11:08] <mjg59> See if the same happens with older kernels
[11:08] <mjg59> Then file a bug
[11:08] <Nafallo> I'm doing a cat /dev/zero > /dev/sde now and will try to add it to the array again. we'll see what happens :-)
[11:08] <Nafallo> okey, thanks :-)
[11:24] <Nafallo> mjg59: hehe. I get it numerous times while doing the lowlevel format... PIO0 _can't_ be a good sign ;-)
[11:25] <Nafallo> mjg59: might aswell be broken hardware though. SMART seems not ported for libata yet.
[11:28] <Nafallo> baah
[11:28] <Nafallo> [25195.000000]  Buffer I/O error on device sde, logical block 423072
[11:28] <Nafallo> [25195.010000]  lost page write due to I/O error on sde
[11:28] <Nafallo> broken hardware, right?
[11:29] <mjg59> Sounds like it
[11:30] <mjg59> But try it on a different port
[11:30] <Nafallo> the other ports have drives connected, but sure, I could swap some of them :-)
[11:54] <Nafallo> ehrm, launchpad doesn't have older kernels?
[11:56] <mjg59> Correct
[11:57] <Nafallo> how irritating :-P
[11:58] <Nafallo> then I can't test older kernels
[12:04] <Mithrandir> it does, it's just well-hidden
[12:05] <Mithrandir> find the previous version, find the build for the architecture you're interested in, and download the "resulting binaries"
[12:07] <Nafallo> ah, kewl :-)
[12:07] <Nafallo> thanks Mithrandir :-)


[04:49] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 135 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-135/


[12:07] <bat0> hello
[08:04] <yong> heh
[04:55] <mark> cjwatson: I had our on-site tech investigate that "man-db" problem
[04:55] <mark> which isn't man-db but most often occurs during that postinst
[04:55] <mark> it seems to be a deadlock
[04:55] <mark> perl seems to try to read from a dpkg pipe
[04:55] <mark> and dpkg is wait4() for perl
[04:56] <mark> at least that's what my on-site tech tells me, a little hard to get more info
[05:23] <mark> I should just always run it in strace, then the deadlock does not happen due to other buffering/context switching ;)
[07:51] <cjwatson> perl would be debconf
[07:52] <cjwatson> so again, it's probably a failure to close some file descriptor, possibly racily
[08:25] <mark> not the commonly made mistake of writing and reading from a child processes's pipes at the same time? :)
[08:25] <cjwatson> I sincerely hope not
[08:25] <cjwatson> no, more usual with debconf is spawning something from a debconf confmodule that daemonises but forgets to close the debconf fds
[08:26] <cjwatson> man-db does background itself under certain circumstances, but I thought that (a) it didn't do that under the noninteractive frontend to avoid pretty much this problem and (b) it disconnected properly anyway ...
[08:28] <mark> ok
[08:28] <mark> yeah but it's not just man-db
[08:28] <mark> for example, today sometimes it got stuck on openssh
[08:28] <mark> and occasionally on other stuff
[08:28] <mark> just most often man-db
[08:29] <mark> today we reinstalled 20 servers and only *one* went through without problems
[08:29] <cjwatson> your libc isn't spawning some weird NSS thing, is it?
[08:43] <mark> ehm
[08:43] <mark> our libc?
[08:43] <mark> it's just the ubuntu installer :)
[08:43] <mark> not doing anything special in that regard
[10:30] <BadMike> hello can anyone help me installing software


[09:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Cheese Lovers' Day! 😃  🌙
[09:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: got to be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKCHZqax84
[10:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <bittin_> :)
[10:34] <bittin_> thank you guys :)
[10:34] <bittin_> also yay Friday!
[10:35] <bittin_> yeah linux.conf.au is uploading stuff to their youtube channel too last day tommorow
[13:53] <SuperMatt> what's new, hepacts?
[13:53] <foobarry> he what?
[13:53] <SuperMatt> *hepcats
[13:54] <SuperMatt> silly typing digits went arwy!
[13:54] <SuperMatt> *awry
[13:54] <foobarry> pebkacs?
[13:54] <SuperMatt> Yes, that is indeed the case
[13:54] <foobarry> debugging drupal and hating it
[13:55] <foobarry> its so buggy
[13:55] <SuperMatt> I never got on with Drupal
[13:56] <foobarry> not by choice
[13:56] <foobarry> had to migrate a site
[13:59] <diddledan> I love to hate Drupal.
[13:59] <diddledan> I am a WordPress guru instead
[14:08] <bittin_> diddledan: videos from Linux.conf.au is being uploaded too youtube aswell
[14:09] <diddledan> \o/
[14:09] <bittin_> o/
[14:09] <bittin_> funniest error at work this week a printer out of RAM Memory
[14:09] <bittin_> and did not wanted to print :D
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> i remember trying to order an 8k ram upgrade for a dot matrix printer in the 80s... nearly ir£300 iirc
[14:12] <bittin_> heh first time i ever see that happen in real life
[14:15] <awilkins> Circle of life
[14:16] <awilkins> They used to fix that by making your computer do all the work in RAM and stream the results to the printer (Winprinters)
[14:17] <bittin_> awilkins: hehe alright
[14:17] <awilkins> I blame these fancy new printers that can print graphics
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> i also remember out of memory errors in early laser pre winprinters.  you'd have to fiddle with page margins to increase the white space surrounding the page to finally have enough ram
[14:18] <awilkins> Let's go back to the days when they were just a typewriter with a serial port
[14:18] <awilkins> And to change font you put a new golf ball in it
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> gold ball?! rich sod... we had spindly daisy wheels and were super careful...
[14:19] <awilkins> Line printers *drool* people who could afford a WHOLE ROW OF DOTS
[14:19] <diddledan> I remember my dad's 9pin dot matrix printer paused half-way through the line on TEXT to get the remainder of the line into memory
[14:20] <awilkins> I was the flash git with a 24-pin dot matrix once
[14:20] <awilkins> Hi-res
[14:20] <diddledan> it went "brrrrrrt. blip, brrrrrrrt. doooooooooooh." (that last one is the carriage return)
[14:22] <diddledan> Paul Blart: Mall Cop is more popular than Donald Trumping: https://twitter.com/EliMatthewson/status/822254336189165569
[18:39] <knightwise> evenin all
[18:40] <daftykins> \o
[18:46] <knightwise> hey daftykins , how you doin
[18:47] <davmor2> diddledan: are you saying his printer is an modem from the 90's
[18:47] <davmor2> diddledan: or a spectrum loading screen from the 80's
[18:47] <daftykins> knightwise: not bad thanks! although i'm without a shower at home now due to ongoing insurance claim shenanigans :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x6kkk0mgl4knq4/IMG-20170119-WA0011.jpeg?dl=0 just researching sky Q at the moment, how's you?
[19:07] <knightwise> currently trying out volumio https://volumio.org/get-started
[19:07] <knightwise> ouch daftykins that is .. impractical
[19:08] <daftykins> heh indeed, i have a kind client about 5 mins walk away who's letting me use a spare bathroom though
[19:08] <daftykins> still, not exactly easy
[19:10] <knightwise> daftykins: thats kind !
[19:11] <daftykins> yip :> fancy facilities he has too
[19:11] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m3cww5m46x3lv5x/IMG_20170119_145026.jpg?dl=0
[19:11] <daftykins> the kittens helped me check it out
[19:15] <knightwise> Whow .. very impressed with this volumio app
[19:15] <daftykins> hmm pretty sure there's nothing audiophile about a Pi - although i know you can get additional DAC boards for them :)
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> my first computer was a spectrum so the rasp pi's abilities are fantastic :-)
[19:51] <daftykins> not for audio
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> still better than the spectrumns
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> whose beep command froze the cpus clock...
[19:52] <daftykins> the past doesn't have any relevance to looking at a device's capabilities today
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is what it is.  a market leader into minimal computing.  of course there are areas at which it is considered a failure and i'm sure there are other sbc's that do audio far better.  kinda like the original pc for whom sound was also a tacked on experience
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> most people thought when the pi was launched that it wouldn't take off and sell many.  not that it would be hacked into every possible and impossible technical areana
[19:58] <daftykins> none of this disproves my earlier statement
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> it's not disproving it, it's explaining why no one thought to put in a feature that no one in their right mind would want
[20:07] <daftykins> still a little too much like defending imo, which wasn't necessary for that very reason
[20:08] <daftykins> they're not too bad over HDMI audio :)
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't know.  i don't have a screen with hdmi yet... :-)
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> i did throw out 2 vga monitors so do finally have space should one fall of the back of a milk float...
[20:12] <daftykins> crikey
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> i did keep the one with scart AND vga mind :-P
[20:14] <daftykins> i have to disable CEC on one of the music streaming pi3's i have up at a clients 'cause it keeps fighting with his AVR for control o0 very weird
[20:15] <daftykins> e.g. you have the Marantz AVR on 'sky' to show the sky box, press the button on the sky remote to turn the box on... Pi shows up
[20:16]  * zmoylan-pi hums... ♪ the pi came back the very next day... ♫
[21:39] <diplo> hi guys, anyone about ?
[21:40] <diplo> Got a linux issue, not ubuntu related but need serious help
[21:42] <daftykins> awaiting details
[21:43] <diplo> Sorry boss on phone as I started typing
[21:44] <diplo> He's panicking big time sorry
[21:45] <daftykins> haha
[21:45] <diplo> Right, he decided to update some of customer sites today centos
[21:45] <daftykins> best not be anywhere near the target machine then, nothing like nerves to screw things up further
[21:45] <diplo> had some issues but mainly resolved by a reboot
[21:45] <diplo> But one site ( uses lvm ) on reboot we're getting
[21:46] <diplo>  WARNING: duplicate PV Cqpgzm1cu120p1gaCC5L9dpZXzpSePEb is being used from both devices /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2
[21:46] <daftykins> ah i don't have any LVM experience, i avoid it like the plague
[21:46] <diplo> So basically when i run pvdisplay it only shows one device so one lv ( where all our customer data resides is empty )
[21:46] <diplo> So do I, but have more knowledge than the others
[21:46] <popey> isnt that just a warning?
[21:47] <diplo> I think metadata has been overwritten from what google tells me
[21:47] <diplo> Nope, no data in our partition, empty
[21:49] <popey> diplo: seen http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/181198/found-duplicate-pv ?
[21:49] <daftykins> is it a RAID1 setup or something?
[21:49] <diplo> Normally hardware raid5 and then create the lvm on top
[21:50] <diplo> Just having a  look popey
[21:51] <diplo> Yeah I read that one, this is most of the references I can find are reference to san/multipath - this is just sas disks, yum upgrade / reboot and the partitions got screwy
[21:51] <diplo> Guessing software update has broken something
[21:51] <popey> eh?
[21:51] <popey> it's a warning?
[21:52] <daftykins> doesn't strike me as a big deal.
[21:52] <popey> whats the actual error?
[21:52] <diplo> No data ( 50gb ) is not there
[21:52] <popey> ok, that's more like it :)
[21:53] <popey> fwiw there is an lvm irc channel :)
[21:53] <diplo> /dev/mapper/vg_name-lv_u1  101G  188M   96G   1% /u1
[21:53] <diplo> ooh, I'll try there thanks
[21:53] <popey> I note agk is in there, he's an expert, dunno if he is around, but he works for redhat and has maintained lvm for years
[21:53] <popey> also, he's a lovely chap :)
[21:53] <popey> good luck
[21:54] <daftykins> :D
[21:55] <daftykins> and have them know for future not to install OSs using technologies they don't understand *cough*
[21:56] <daftykins> or even research them so they do :>
[22:07] <zmoylan-pi> what is thing you call research? :-P
[22:08] <daftykins> ;)
[22:08] <daftykins> ouch at my folks being quoted £400 to replace their satellite dish, roof aerial and aerial splitter amplifier inside for £400
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> why all at the same time?
[22:10] <daftykins> 'cause they're all faulty at the same time
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> odd that roof aerial and satellite dish would go wonky at same time
[22:11] <daftykins> they haven't, they're just the types to grin and bear problems until they congregate :)
[22:11] <diplo> Cheers popey et all
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> ah... the wait till closing time at friday to report serious problems they've had all week type...
[22:12] <daftykins> pretty much :) more like a many years running thing here though
[22:12] <daftykins> this one is a symptom of my old man putting in some satellite coax that was lying around instead of doing it properly
[22:12] <daftykins> still think this quote is rubbish though
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> i swear we had one customer not report a pc that was emitting smoke till the friday...
[22:13] <daftykins> perhaps that was during times of more lenient smoking laws ;)
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> 'it wasn't much smoke...'
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> and it was fine when they left a window open...
[22:17] <daftykins> :D nooo not the magic smoke
[22:24] <daftykins> think i'm just gonna do some of this stuff myself, not much to it after all
[22:25] <daftykins> just the aerial on the roof i wouldn't do :)
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> an array of drones floating an aerial above the house :-P
[23:01] <diplo> 3 other sites with problems to add to the issues I was already dealing with :) I'm not even the sys admin for work!
[23:02] <diplo> CentOS upgrades broke 5 sites out of 8 - oopsy
[23:02] <daftykins> diplo: what's wrong with the sites?
[23:02] <diplo> Different issue on each :/
[23:02] <daftykins> the gist? :>
[23:03] <diplo> One wasn't centos issue per se, for whatever reason resolv.conf reverted to an entry that wasn't pingable, cups wouldn't start, it sat there for 20 mins and still wouldn't boot.. booted to single usermode, disabled cups, rebooted and found it was because cups couldn't resolve the printers?
[23:05] <diplo> Another /bin/su is no longer there, so can't su ? - Another hasn't come back up ( could be a press F1 or a usb drive plugged in or something ) but these are on remote sites
[23:05] <diplo> I wasn't involved in any of this btw, I was just called to help :P
[23:05] <diplo> It all started when I complained that our customer sites weren't up to date, so all my fault on that point
[23:06] <daftykins> XD
[23:06] <daftykins> whoops
[23:06] <daftykins> bit concerned at more than one being done before being confirmed as ok...
[23:06] <daftykins> also it's not even yum anymore :)
[23:06] <diplo> hah I said that
[23:06] <diplo> I said I'd have done it out of hours and one at a time
[23:07] <daftykins> absolutely
[23:07] <diplo> Cent6 is yum
[23:07] <daftykins> and with backups
[23:07] <daftykins> ah right
[23:07] <diplo> Yeah, we don't work like that unfortunately, ,well he started to after the issue with the lvm site
[23:08] <diplo> Think it may be a broken raid, shouldn't be showing sda/sdb
[23:08] <diplo> Will have to go to site  Iguess
[23:09] <daftykins> hardware controller you said? how's it managed? my 3wares have a locally managing web admin to check status
[23:10] <diplo> It's not, I'm sure you're not getting how disorganised this company is :)
[23:10] <daftykins> wowzer
[23:10] <diplo> It's been setup and forgotten, pretty much how all our stuff is,
[23:11] <daftykins> i'm a one man band and i have mine emailing me weekly verification statuses on a Sunday night
[23:11] <diplo> Basically they get a server in, create a raid5/10 or watever install the OS in a predefined way, send it out with software on it and that's it
[23:11] <diplo> I want to monitor via nagios ( I already do diskspace )
[23:12] <diplo> But we don't need a full time sysadmin :)
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> until emergencies when you need a full time sysadmin...
[23:14] <diplo> My exact point, all we do is fire fight, I hate it ( it's why I'm going to interviews )
[23:15] <daftykins> you could cement yourself into a really good position of them depending on you if you sorted it all out though
[23:18] <diplo> They do depend on me, anything like this happens I'm always the one gets a call/asked to help
[23:18] <diplo> I just can't stand working like it all the time, a bit of resources / help but no we don't need it
[23:18] <diplo> It's frustrating
[23:19] <diplo> It was fine for the first few years, but as customers have become more dependant on certain things now, everything has become more work, but the company won't keep up with it
[23:19] <daftykins> :(
[23:19] <diplo> They're not bad people
[23:20] <diplo> Just not right for me anymore
[23:20] <daftykins> mmm i can understand it'd probably seem much easier just to jump ship than try to fight the setup
[23:21] <diplo> I've been fighting for 6 years :)
[23:21] <diplo> I've got my way bit by bit, but I'm using my own hardware as servers for testing etc
[23:22] <diplo> Funny thing is, I'm employed as a web dev :P
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> yeah when you start having to supply your own hardware for tests is a smidge unreal
[23:22] <daftykins> oh ouch
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> rasp pis as far as the eye can see? :-P
[23:23] <daftykins> 'cause ARM would totally help the mess he has already
[23:23] <diplo> Optiplex, a dell t4 something, a old 4u server
[23:26] <diplo> Right with that done, I'm off to bed, good night all
[23:26] <diplo> Thanks for letting me moan :P
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> in one drawer of his desk a bank of rasp pis working their little cpus to the limit... in the other drawer a z gauge model rail setup to relax during lunch time...
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:38] <daftykins> wow it's 0 deg C down here in the isles
[23:42] <zmoylan-pi> a comparitively balmy 5c here... http://isitraining.in/Dublin
[23:45] <zmoylan-pi> though the ice cream van was missing when i was out shopping earlier...


[02:13] <doctormo> popey: Know anything about recovering partition tables?
[02:49] <doctormo> Got it, found the testdrive tool
[09:21] <AlanBell> duanedesign: PM?
[10:19] <nigelb> hello


[11:47] <mup> Bug #2018590 opened: hardware sync partially updates new machine specs (cpu and ram) <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2018590>