[00:00] <christophergray> my guess there is but thunar and xfce4-terminal, etc. can't read it signed into your user account
[00:00] <miu5> christophergray, yes all the file associations i see
[00:02] <christophergray> might be some clues here: thunar admin:///var/crash &
[00:04] <miu5> christophergray, is it safe to delete mimeinfo.cache? and recreate it?
[00:05] <christophergray> miu5: yes, I think we already did that
[00:05] <christophergray> miu5: what is the creation time if you ls -l
[00:05] <miu5> with 'sudo update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications'  this recreates it?
[00:06] <miu5> yes the creation time is today..
[00:06] <miu5> if it recreated it, then why did the permission change tho :/
[00:06] <christophergray> miu5: yes, and it should with just 'sudo update-desktop-database'
[00:07] <christophergray> I'm curious if you repair the permissions if they will stay repaired
[00:11] <christophergray> miu5: also I think xubuntu keeps file associations in some other place but I don't remember where
[00:12] <miu5> i changed it to 644 now.
[00:13] <miu5> christophergray, a while ago, i changed all my home permissions to 600 , but this has nothing to do with home, so i dont know why its affected. is there any links to mimeinfo.cache ?
[00:14] <miu5> christophergray, i mean everything else under /usr/share/applications is 644.. so i dont get it
[00:15] <miu5> the question is now, how do i test if this is not gonna default all my file associations back to default?
[00:19] <miu5> The good news is when i do 'mimeopen -a /usr/share/alsa/utils.sh'    it no longer throws a warning now, and it asks me to choose a file to view it with
[00:19] <miu5> i mean asks me to choose a program to view it with
[00:22] <christophergray> ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list /usr/share/applications/mimeapps.list might override the mimeinfo.cache maybe
[00:27] <miu5> christophergray, i dont have ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list
[00:27] <christophergray> my defaults.list only has four apps in it
[00:27] <christophergray> and I don't have a mimeapps.list
[00:28] <miu5> i also dont have a mimeapps.list
[00:30] <miu5> christophergray, defaults.list is under /usr/share/applications/ as a link
[00:34] <christophergray> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14037 Aug 26 06:57 /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[00:36] <miu5> christophergray, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Apr 28 01:46 /usr/share/applications/defaults.list -> /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[00:40] <christophergray> mine doesn't seem to be a link, and the one in /etc/gnome dates to 2017
[00:40] <miu5> ok i dont know why i have 777 on that one though.
[00:41] <miu5> are you on 18.04 ?
[00:42] <christophergray> yes I'm on 18.04 with a bunch of ppas though with latest xfce for example
[00:43] <miu5> christophergray, ok, well i have to go now.. so im gonna have to continue with this tomorrow. thanks for your help though
[00:44] <christophergray> too permissive, you should change /etc/gnome/defaults.list to 644
[00:47] <miu5> thanks christophergray
[02:13] <Kraus> Hello! Someone from #ubuntustudio recommended I try asking here. How can I get Numlock set at the Login panel once X starts with Ubuntu Studio/XFCE?
[02:18] <Bashing-om> Kraus: My box, that is a Bios option.
[02:18] <Kraus> BIOS is set, but once it gets to unlock my disk, it shuts off.
[02:19] <Kraus> Once the disk is decrypted, systemd does its thing, and it stays off even at the login panel. Not sure what or why Ubuntu decides to just undo it when the OS starts.
[02:21] <Kraus> ( Bashing-om )
[02:23] <Bashing-om> Kraus: Sorry, I do not know where else the num lock could be affected :(
[02:24] <Kraus> There are a slew of different possible solutions I found online, though they seem to vary by distro and version. Things keep getting placed in different places, etc.
[16:06] <xu-irc55w> Hello everyone. So, I had an old computer with Xubuntu 15.04 on it, and I tried to make it go directly to 18.04 using this solution : https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2020/02/21/upgrading-from-an-unsupported-ubuntu/ . Now I've bricked my computer, and when it normally loads, all I can use is the terminal. However, I cannot use sudo mode (they
[16:06] <xu-irc55w> propose to sudo apt-get install sudo), and I don't have an internet connection on it. Is there a way to be able to salvage the files that are on it ?
[16:07] <xu-irc55w> I've tried with an usb, that appears, but again, I cannot mount it. Most of the solutions I found proposed commands that the prompt asked to "apt-get install".
[16:26] <tomreyn> !recovery | xu-irc55w
[16:27] <tomreyn> xu-irc55w: your goal should be to backup and install a supported release.
[16:27] <xu-irc55w> yes, it is my goal
[16:28] <tomreyn> recovery gan get you a root shell with relevant file systems mounted without needing to use sudo
[16:28] <tomreyn> gan -> can
[16:29] <xu-irc55w> so, in the recovery menu, use the dpkg ?
[16:29] <xu-irc55w> from the grub boot recovery mode ?
[16:29] <tomreyn> you didnt read the wiki, yet
[16:29] <tomreyn> oh maybe you did, sorr
[16:30] <tomreyn> y
[16:31] <tomreyn> yes, you select the ".... (Recovery)" option from grub menu to boot it, and then, on the recovery menu, you have a couple options. the dpkg option would try to solve apt issues. i'm not sure it would help you, but it won't hurt.
[16:31] <tomreyn> you should probably do a file system check, and, maybe try some of the other options, too, and then start the root shell
[16:32] <tomreyn> step 7 etc.
[16:39] <xu-irc55w> to backup, I should follow that ? https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/backups-shell-scripts
[16:40] <xu-irc55w> (So far, I've redone the 3s steps, including the whole 9 one.)
[16:45] <tomreyn> xu-irc55w: i guess i would just connect external storage, ensure there's a good file system on it, such as ext4, then mount it and use the    tar czf /mnt/thatexternalmount /path/to/directory/to/backup/ /path/to/directory/to/also/backup          command to create an archive on the external storage
[16:45] <xu-irc55w> Well, I suppose I just need to get my "access-your-private-data.desktop" to an external drive.
[16:45] <xu-irc55w> ok, thanks
[16:45] <tomreyn> the above command would expect that you mounted the external storage at /mnt/thatexternalmount beforehand
[16:46] <tomreyn> oh if you have a "access-your-private-data.desktop" file then you seem to have an encrypted home directory, i think
[16:46] <tomreyn> (ecryptfs)
[16:46] <xu-irc55w> oh yes, indeed
[16:46] <xu-irc55w> I don't know why I forgot to mention it.
[16:47] <tomreyn> ecryptfs-mount-private  would normally get you access to it
[16:48] <xu-irc55w> yes, but I get an error
[16:48] <xu-irc55w> not setup properly
[16:48] <tomreyn> that's most likely not the full error message
[16:48] <tomreyn> also provide the full command oyu ran
[16:50] <tomreyn> the encrypted home directory is likely also why you could not access your files from the live system earlier.
[16:52] <xu-irc55w> ok, itr succeeded, it went into /tmp/ecryptfs
[16:53] <xu-irc55w> I indeed didn't use the correct command, and the last one I used was ecryptfs-recover-private
[16:56] <tomreyn> glad it worked out now
[17:30] <xu-irc55w> tomreyn: well, I guess it'll still take a long time before it completes. I should've maybe gone for rsync -ah --progress instead of cp. Anyway, I'll probably be able to deal with it now. Thanks a lot for your help, and your patience.
[17:32] <u_> afternoon everyone
[17:32] <tomreyn> xu-irc55w: you're welcome!
[17:33] <u_> just installed xubuntu 20.04 and I am running into a show stopper that perhaps someone could direct me to where I could find the solution.
[17:33] <tomreyn> xu-irc55w: i hope the target file system is one which knows of unix acls
[17:33] <tomreyn> i.e. not fat or ntfs or something
[17:33] <tomreyn> hi u_
[17:33] <u_> tomreyn: hi
[17:33] <xu-irc55w> I followed your advice and formatted it in ext4
[17:33] <xu-irc55w> Hello. :)
[17:34] <tomreyn> xu-irc55w: good. and it's got enough capacity, too?
[17:34] <u_> problem, 2 monitors.  I've set the one in front of me to be the primary, and the one to the *left* to be the secondary.  Unfortunately xfce puts the panel, and starts all the programs on the secondary monitor?
[17:34] <tomreyn> indeed, rsync could have been a bit faster, it's just a bit more difficult to use, which is why i suggested tar.
[17:36] <tomreyn> u_: i don't really have a suggestion for you other than to ensure the system is fully up to date, and if, after a reboot, this still occurs, to look for matching bug reports, which may contain workarounds.
[17:36] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[17:37] <xu-irc55w> Well, for the size, I hope it is, I kinda checked but it was many hours ago. Should've gone tar indeed.
[17:37] <u_> where would I look for bug reports?
[17:37] <xu-irc55w> tomreyn: it just ended, I'm gonna check it up.
[17:38] <tomreyn> u_: on launchpad. i'm not sure which package it is, though.
[17:39] <tomreyn> u_: the xrandr suggestion here could probably check with the positioning https://askubuntu.com/questions/62681/how-do-i-setup-dual-monitors-in-xfce
[17:43] <tomreyn> u_: in case you are using the nvidia proprietary graphics driver, you may need to configure displays using its nvidia-settings application instead
[17:49] <u_> tomreyn: nvidia driver says right is primary, arander says right is primary, xubuntu Display says right is primary.  Xubuntu *still* treats _left_ as primary :/
[17:51] <tomreyn> hmm, that's unfortunate. i don't know what else to suggest, though.
[17:52] <u_> tomreyn: same problem back in 16.04 (was why I had to switch to Kubuntu)  I had hoped that Xubuntu had fixed this problem by now. :(
[18:31] <xu-irc55w> Tomreyn: see you around, and thanks again !
[19:08] <Pipeline79> Hi, is the wayland server included with xubuntu?
[19:09] <diogenes_> wayland doesn't work on Xfce.
[19:09] <tomreyn> hi Pipeline79. xwayland is available, you can install it. i do not know how well xfce works with it
[19:09] <tomreyn> oh diogenes_ knows :)
[19:11] <Pipeline79> Hi, i wanted to try out a compositor and didn't if or what wayland packages i'd need to install 1st
[19:11] <Pipeline79> *know*
[19:12] <Pipeline79> I think diogenes is right about xfce
[19:17] <Pipeline79> tomreyn i thought xwayland was for running xclients once wayland was already installed, sort of a backwards compatibility thing?
[19:18] <tomreyn> Pipeline79: yes, xwayland lets you run software which was not written specifically for wayland on wayland. like ... almost all software with a gui that exists nowadays.
[19:20] <Pipeline79> tomreyn :)
[19:21] <tomreyn> but it doesn't work for everything, and changes will often still be needed to the software that was originally written for X
[19:23] <Pipeline79> Does xubuntu have weston? Sorry i'm away from my computer. It's 18.04
[19:26] <tomreyn> is this software available? yes. will it work with xfce? no.
[19:34] <Pipeline79> I don't want it to work with xfce, I'm trying out a different window manager that depends on wayland, but i don't know what the extra packages that i need to add to an xubuntu installation are.  This 'compositor' (wio) is not a package, i have to build it.
[19:38] <Pipeline79> Presumably i need the wayland eqv of xorg-server.  Or a wayland meta package, what's that called?  All the ubuntu guides refer to ubuntu that has this already.  But I don't think i need to completely reinstall.


[21:41] <balloons> veebers, will it be possible to have a test work under AP 1.5 and AP 1.6 or do you have to choose?
[21:44] <veebers> balloons: if it's carefully written it can be both
[21:45] <veebers> balloons: if the test relies on the object registry (i.e. does blah.select_single(objectName='foo') and expects a CPO to be return not a default generic) it will not work