[00:41] <nentis> anyone get an ebox-2300sx to work with ltsp?
[00:42] <nentis> this device is killing me.  no math co-processor.. no amount of kernels seems to work.
[00:44] <lns> wow...back to the 386-sx days! no math coprocessor....WHY GOD, WHY?!
[00:44] <nentis> :(
[00:44] <lns> and i always wondered what the SX-2 series was supposed to be....twice the non-existent math co processor??
[00:45] <nentis> double the clock speed?
[00:46] <nentis> I'm not happy that I may have 50 paper weights and 0 thin-clients.
[00:46] <lns> you should have gotten 1 and tested it.... ?
[00:46] <nentis> the 2300 (non SX) tested fine.
[00:46] <nentis> but yes
[00:47] <lns> never used an ebox myself
[04:26] <Meshezabeel> how can I get gcompriz to go full screen so that gnome panels are not in the way?
[04:26] <Meshezabeel> gcompris
[04:38] <johnny> add the lil sliders to the panel so you can hide them
[04:39] <johnny> that's about the best you can do until the app itself does it
[04:43] <Meshezabeel> ok, thanks, was hoping for a bit easier way for my kindergarten students, but guess I'll just have to put up with it for now ;)
[04:43] <johnny> well submit a feature request to run it full screen
[04:43] <johnny> but if that's the only app you're using.. you could make the session run it full screen
[04:43] <johnny> and not have gnome loaded at all
[04:43] <Meshezabeel> well, it does have a full screen option, it just doesn't seem to work for me
[04:44] <johnny> sounds like a bug
[04:44] <johnny> you're gonna have to talk to them
[04:44] <johnny> i guess
[04:44] <Meshezabeel> ok, thanks
[07:30] <Burgundavia> johnny: gcompris can full screen
[07:32] <johnny> yeah.. he just said it didn't work
[08:14] <Harrison___> Hi I wonder if someone can help me. I'm 12 years old and have installed edubuntu on a laptop. If I can get it working, then I can use the laptop. However I'm stuck. if I enable the restricted driver, I get composite extension not available. if I disable it, I get desktop effects could be enabled...can someone please offer some help? as the forums seem to ask you to do one or the other
[08:14] <Harrison___> and as i've done both, I seem to be stuck between 2 errors
[08:14] <Harrison___> it's edubuntu 7.10
[08:15] <Harrison___> or is there a better channel to ask the question in?
[08:19] <nentis> your hardware might not support the special graphics
[08:19] <nentis> if an intel video card
[08:19] <nentis> you might ask in #ubuntu
[08:19] <nentis> gotta run
[09:13] <highvoltage> hey Harrison___
[09:14] <highvoltage> Harrison___: do you perhaps know which display card is in the laptop? let us know if you get it working, please.
[09:26] <tuukka> hi! i've created a file to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ which works as a login script. but any ideas of where i should put corresponding logout script??
[09:54] <jsgotangco> highvoltage
[09:55] <jsgotangco> wtf is with that facebook invie
[09:55] <jsgotangco> "Jonathan wants to know your true sexuality"
[09:56]  * RichEd winks at jsgotangco
[09:56] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: heh, it was a stupid test and you had to invite 20 people to get the answer :)
[10:15] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:15] <jsgotangco> facebook wasteland
[10:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: safe to ignore and there was no any added meaning to it
[10:15] <jsgotangco> nahhh
[10:16] <jsgotangco> everything in facebook is dumb anyways
[10:16] <highvoltage> I want to try to avoid facebook, but it is evil. like IRC.
[10:16] <highvoltage> and now I've kind of been sucked in by twitter and wikia too
[10:16] <jsgotangco> twitter is ok
[10:16] <highvoltage> twitter doesn't have all these dumb "apps", at least.
[10:17] <jsgotangco> add me heh
[10:17] <jsgotangco> JeromeGotangco
[10:17] <highvoltage> ok
[10:56] <RichEd> jsgotangco & highvoltage: i did not check my own personal facebook profile for 2 weeks over xmas
[10:56] <RichEd> when i went back ... i did not even recognise it ... a viral explosion of apps, and messages telling me who had just wiped their bum, and who's dog was feeling depressed
[10:56] <RichEd> like i really need that in my life :/
[10:57] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:57] <jsgotangco> don't ever install x poke and that silly stuff!
[11:31] <highvoltage> Riddell: hehe
[11:31] <highvoltage> ugh, sorry again, I meant RichEd
[12:39] <highvoltage> what kind of DSL connections do you guys have at home these days?
[13:05]  * ogra has 2M symmetrical here
[13:07] <joe__> anyone alive?
[13:11] <Harrison___> graphics card is an ati radeon xpress 200m does this support desktop effects, it is supported by the restricted driver
[14:07] <joe__> Anyone know how to manage users in edubuntu?
[14:10] <RichEd> joe__: same as ubuntu ... have you looked for help on help.ubuntu ? or the wiki ?
[14:10] <joe__> Hmm... I think I just need to keep playing.
[14:10] <joe__> I find users created on the server do no propagate to the clients.
[14:11] <ogra> there are no users on clients
[14:11] <joe__> will 7.10 clients work on 7.04 server?
[14:11] <ogra> (teh client sessions run on the server, the server needs the users )
[14:11] <ogra> no
[14:11] <joe__> hmm.
[14:12] <ogra> the whole design of servige the rootfs has changed between 7.04 and 7.10
[14:12] <ogra> *serving
[14:12] <joe__> cool.
[14:13] <joe__> I am trying to get this elementary school lab running (the guy who set it up is gone)
[14:13] <joe__> some are edubuntu, some are ubuntu, all seem to be connected to the server.
[14:21] <laga> hey guys :) i suspect some people in here are using diskless clients. i'd like to add support for diskless clients to mythbuntu but i'm encountering an odd issue: no matter what i do, nfsmount inside the initramfs will always mount the root share read-only. is that normal behavior?
[14:25] <joe__> Hey guys -- is it possible to run a lab with *some* clients diskless and others not?
[14:25] <ogra> laga, yes
[14:26] <laga> ogra: do you know why that happens?
[14:28] <ogra> laga, thats the dsign :) the clients boot with the writable bits in tmp ... its a security thing since theer is nothing running on the client thats not actually needed to connect to the server and execute a session there
[14:29] <ogra> s/in tmp/in a tmpfs/
[14:29] <ogra> sorry
[14:29] <ogra> the clients have no users or anything, all tehy do is boot into a login manager that then starts an ssh session to the server where it executes a session
[14:29] <laga> ogra: from what i've read in the ubuntu wiki, that's your (edubuntu) design. however, the initramfs script provide the facilities to mount the nfs root writeable.
[14:30] <ogra> right
[14:30] <ogra> but i wouldnt suggest that
[14:30] <laga> ogra: i will not use your scripts (sorry if i made it sound like that), i was just wondering if anyone has made experiencies similar to mine
[14:30] <ogra> there are many files that get changed at every boot
[14:30] <laga> ogra: i'll be using unionfs with that, no worries.
[14:30] <ogra> if you have more than one client it will break
[14:30] <ogra> we use unionfs
[14:31] <laga> my problem actually is that i can't mount any shares rw in initramfs. but the root share would be a good start. :)
[14:31] <ogra> (we dont use nfs anymore since gutsy since that had massive speed probelms)
[14:31] <ogra> you dont want root to be writable trust me :)
[14:31] <laga> yes, you use unionfs in gutsy. with nbd and squashfs, which is a really nifty approach :) just discovered that a few minutes ago
[14:31] <ogra> you can create an fstab in the squashfs image to mount diffferent shares easily
[14:32] <laga> ogra: i do not want root to be writeable. i just want to be able to mount a nfs share rw.
[14:32] <ogra> i'd rather suggest that
[14:32] <ogra> right
[14:32] <ogra> make sure nfs-common is installed in the image
[14:33] <ogra> (its not in the default ubuntu bootstrap selection anymore, so not installed on thin clients)
[14:34] <laga> thanks, but i don't want to use squashfs. :) i was just wondering if anyone was unable to mount nfs shares rw in the initramfs that comes with ubuntu.
[14:34] <ogra> everyone
[14:34] <ogra> (as i explained above, no nfs client bits are in the image)
[14:35] <ogra> your mileage will vary if you want to use ltsp without squashfs though
[14:36] <ogra> its what we default to since a while
[14:38] <laga> thanks.
[14:38] <ogra> and the old nfs chroot might go away in hardy, not sure yet
[14:38] <ogra> we currently keep it for easier maintenance of the image
[14:38] <laga> i should have made it clearer that i didn't even want to use ltsp in the first place :)
[14:38] <ogra> but there is an image shell that makes it possible to drop the 400M of cruft
[14:39] <ogra> well, it would be cool if you could integrate it in ltsp :)
[14:39] <ogra> i was planning a myth mode myself since quite some time .... given that its likely only a five line pulgin that would be needed it shoudl be fairly easy
[14:39] <laga> yes, but we need fat clients :)
[14:40] <ogra> why ?
[14:40] <ogra> you need a player and a frontend to the db server, no ?
[14:40] <ogra> (at least thats how i always understood mythtv)
[14:40] <laga> back then, a few years ago, i wanted to add mythfrontend to LBE. i failed horribly. :)
[14:40] <ogra> which means two additional package to install and probably some tweaks to the ltsp defaults
[14:40] <laga> ogra: mythfrontend ( = player software) needs to be run as local app.
[14:41] <ogra> right
[14:41] <ogra> so you should actually be able to just install the mythfrontend package in the chroot and thats it
[14:41] <ogra> have you ever looked at ltsp plugins ?
[14:41] <laga> how do you run local apps in ltsp these days? back then, you had to do ssh magic
[14:42] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins
[14:42] <ogra> we dont have localapp support ready yet for ltsp5
[14:43] <ogra> but the approach is to use xatoms and on the session side some xdg overlays
[14:43] <ogra> ldm makes that pretty easy
[14:43] <ogra> since we just need to send the data through the ssh tunnel ...
[14:44] <laga> excuse my ignorance. what does "ldm" stand for?
[14:45] <ogra> ltsp display manager
[14:45] <ogra> the login manager used in ltsp5
[14:45] <ogra> (we dont do xdmcp anymore)
[14:46] <laga> ah
[14:46] <ogra> ldm by default does: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
[14:47] <ogra> it also has a mode that omits -X and sets DISPLAY to the clients display .... so you keep ssh password handling while having the speed of old XDMCP sessions
[14:48] <ogra> anyway, have a look at the kiosk plugin described on that wikipage ... its running a local firefox (teh code is buggy though, its just a rought example) ... seems similar to what you want
[14:49] <laga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPFatClients?highlight=%28ltsp%29 <- i suppose this has not been implemented yet?
[14:49] <ogra> (replace ff with your mythfrontend, add nfs-common to the chroot ...
[14:49] <ogra> nope
[14:49] <laga> sad
[14:49] <ogra> it depends on a network auth mechanism we dotn have
[14:50] <ogra> with the new squashfs/unionfs architecture it should be trivial though
[14:50] <ogra> (to do it yourself)
[14:50] <laga> true
[14:51] <laga> how big is such a squashfs image compressed/uncompressed? i kinda liked the idea of using the server's /
[14:51] <ogra> the nfs implementation would have been tricky though .... sicne nfs and unionfs in ubuntu dont like each ther you would ave to do a lot of bind mounting etc
[14:51] <laga> (read-only, of course. i'm not insane :))
[14:52] <ogra> -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 158M 2007-12-29 17:47 i386.img
[14:52] <laga> oh, what's the matter with nfs and unionfs? i know there's some special handling for nfs in unionfs but i think i've read it's not necessary anymore in recent kernels
[14:52] <laga> sounds sensible
[14:52] <laga> although we probably have to add 100M (uncompressed) for mythtv
[14:52] <ogra> well, it didnt work in gutsy, nfs/unionfs just broke back then
[14:53] <ogra> since we stepped away from insecure nfs completely in ltsp upstream i didnt look since gutsy started
[14:53] <laga> unionfs was broken badly earlier in gutsy but it's been working fine since the release
[14:54] <ogra> not to mention that nfs is about 5X slower in booting than the nbd/squashfs/unionfs combo
[14:55] <laga> how long does it take your clients to boot into X?
[14:57] <ogra> 50-70sec depending on the client (nothing faster than 1GHz here, max 128M)
[14:58] <laga> sounds good enough.
[14:58] <ogra> with nfs that went above 2min for some
[14:59] <laga> i'd expect that more RAM would speed that up a bit. and running a mythtv frontend in 128M is silly (yet i do it and wit works reasonably well)
[14:59] <ogra> yeah, 256 would be minimum i guess
[15:00] <laga> 512M would be better. DDRII-RAM is cheap enough if you buy a new box.
[15:03] <laga> ogra: you almost convinced me. :) i suppose i could ask one last question: do i _need_ a dhcp server? many epople will already have SoHo-routers with their own dhcpds. for our first attempt at netbooting in mythbuntu 8.04, i was just going to create a simple script which created a bootable usb pen drive/CD-ROM where the bootloader would pass all necessary options like nfsroot=<IP_ADDRESS>:/ and ip=dhcp. would that still be possible with ltsp?
[15:04] <ogra> you need a dhcp server to hand out the boot info
[15:04] <ogra> ltsp has two server packages
[15:04] <ogra> ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone
[15:04] <ogra> the latter depends on dhcpd3
[15:04] <laga> yeah, ltsp-server-standalone comes with a dhcpd.
[15:04] <ogra> if you dont use a local dhcpd you need to set up the other in the right way to serve the tftp info
[15:05] <laga> well, tftp is just used to download kernel + initrd, right?
[15:05] <ogra> edubuntu uses a two NIC install by default for its server ... that way one NIC can be dhcp client at a ruter and the second serves the TC network (including a dedicated dhcpd)
[15:06] <laga> let me guess: if i want to use one NIC, i need to add an IP alias to that interface?
[15:07] <ogra> no
[15:08] <ogra> if you want one NIC you need to make sure there is no other dhcpd in your network or configure that one correctly for netbooting
[15:09] <laga> let's see: dhcp to tell the PXE stack to download pxelinux, pxelinux then downloads its config file and loads kernel + initrd, right? is it used for anything else?
[15:11] <ogra> well giving out the IP :)
[15:11] <ogra> but yes thats about it
[15:11] <ogra> ther is tftp involved in some pieces :)
[15:12] <laga> ok. let me replace tftp by putting the bootloader, the kernel and the initrd on a usb pen drive.
[15:13] <laga> now we just need the dhcpd. assuming i can just pass in all needed options as a boot option for the kernel/initramfs, i should be fine.
[15:13] <laga> i guess i need to look at your scripts
[15:13] <laga> thanks a lot, you have beena great inspiration!
[15:34] <laga> ogra: just looked at your initramfs scripts. is there any reason why you're (seeminglxy) duplicating work in init-bottom/unionfs_cow and scripts/ltsp-nbd ?
[18:25] <bddebian> Heya


[23:38] <bigjools> roaksoax: hi
[23:39] <bigjools> did you see these? https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1086160
[23:39] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1086162
[23:41] <roaksoax> bigjools: howdy im in class will looknat the, when i get back home
[23:41] <bigjools> roaksoax: no worries
[23:45] <roaksoax> bigjools: though the first one seems invalid
[23:46] <bigjools> roaksoax: my thoughts too
[23:46] <bigjools> I'll ask
[23:47] <roaksoax> second one might be the case


[10:56] <ubuntu_> I'm not sure, I'm greener than a christmas tree
[10:56] <ypsila> michael: kennst Du #kubuntu-de?
[10:57] <Electrolyte> trappist - application and audio directory in there.
[10:57] <trappist> JymmmEMC: I think that's a BIOS option
[10:57] <Electrolyte> And I see octet-stream.desktop in /application/
[10:57] <trappist> Electrolyte: what's in the application directory
[10:57] <trappist> yep :)
[10:57] <trappist> kill it
[10:57] <Electrolyte> Worked :)
[10:57] <Electrolyte> Thanks :)
[10:57] <trappist> rockin
[10:57] <ubuntu_> I tried to edit the xorg.conf while in it using the live disc, but I don't think I know how to save it properly.
[10:58] <trappist> ubuntu_: you have to mount your filesystem and be sure to edit the one on your hard drive, not the one in /etc/X11
[10:58] <JymmmEMC> trappist: The bios automagically disables the onboard video when an ext video card is in place, but kubuntu will hang during boot. Same with Ubuntu, but Knoppix doens't have a problem with it.
[10:58] <ypsila> ubuntu_:  you can not do anything in live
[10:58] <eilker> are the installing directly kubuntu and instaling kde desktop on ubuntu same? do those use system resources same? or one is better than others?
[10:58] <JymmmEMC> trappist: neither does debian
[10:59] <trappist> JymmmEMC: ah I misunderstood the problem.  sorry, don't know the answer.
[10:59] <JymmmEMC> trappist:  np =)
[10:59] <JymmmEMC> trappist: Yeah, been looking for a cheap PCI video card w/ 64mb+ but are rare these days =)
[11:00] <Conan> I am having problems installing Kubuntu on my pc
[11:00] <ubuntu_> trap, could you help me mount the file system?
[11:01] <ypsila> Ubugtu: are you sure you even installed on hd?
[11:01] <ypsila> sorry
[11:01] <ubuntu_> nevermind, I shouldn't bother you all, I should be able to find it myself.  I'll look in the help file
[11:01] <ypsila> ubuntu_: are you sure you did install?
[11:02] <ypsila> ubuntu_: live cd does not mean install
[11:02] <ubuntu_> ypsila, no I'm not sure.   : /
[11:02] <ypsila> ubuntu_: what cd do you have? any idea?
[11:02] <ubuntu_> hey, I can get the live cd to boot me and get into the works to log onto the net and chat with you
[11:03] <ubuntu_> both, dapper and edgy
[11:03] <Jymmm> OMG... Want to muck with someone's eyes... let em run 800x600, then switch em to 1900x1400!  lol
[11:03] <ubuntu_> the system is edgy and the lvie cd is dapper
[11:03] <ypsila> ubuntu_: yes, of course, but that does not mean you installed it on your harddrive
[11:03] <ypsila> h?
[11:04] <ubuntu_> the file system on the hd is edgy and the live boot cd is dapper
[11:04] <ypsila> ubuntu_: when you boot without cd what comes up?
[11:05] <Jymmm> Curious... is edgy a LIVE CD too?
[11:05] <gnomefreak> Jymmm: yes has both live and alternate
[11:05] <ubuntu_> I get to the ubuntu splash screen then the system goes into like dos mode and tells me the xorg can't start due to an error
[11:05] <Jymmm> gnomefreak cool, ty.
[11:06] <ypsila> Jymmm: jepp
[11:06] <ubuntu_> the X server
[11:06] <Jymmm> So, only alternate isn't live?
[11:06] <Conan> I have live versions of both Kubuntu Dapper and Edgy but i cant get them to work on my pc
[11:06] <cntb> why so Conan ?
[11:06] <ypsila> see you
[11:06] <markelhas> ppl where can i see a list of the system settings tools
[11:07] <markelhas> cntb: hi
[11:07] <cntb> markelhas:  hi kde?
[11:07] <Conan> I am running XP buti cent get the cds to run... i restart my computer like it says and it does a XP boot
[11:07] <markelhas> cntb: yaps, i thinks some of them gone
[11:08] <markelhas> cntb: i was exploring that menu, and it's missing tools
[11:08] <cntb> markelhas: what possible reason for system settings tools to be gone
[11:09] <markelhas> cntb: some minutes ago i've resolved missing monitor & display and user management for example
[11:10] <markelhas> cntb: but i think that are missing others, so i need to see a list of it to check witch are missing
[11:10] <cntb> ah
[11:11] <TheGateKeeper_> markelhas: if you look on the wiki you will see a screen grab of system settings for edgy
[11:11] <markelhas> cntb: for example missing battery tool
[11:12] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: the wiki!
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper_> yes the (k)ubuntu wiki
[11:12] <cntb> http://wiki.kubuntu.org
[11:12] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu ?
[11:13] <markelhas> ok ok
[11:14] <TheGateKeeper_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper_> that's where I saw it lol
[11:18] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: missing power management only
[11:18] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: can u help me?
[11:20] <markelhas> cntb: any tip to resolve this?
[11:21] <TheGateKeeper_> markelhas: Run Command... kcontrol
[11:21] <TheGateKeeper_> that should have it
[11:22] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: nopes :(
[11:23] <Conan> I cant get Edgy or dapper to work on my computer
[11:23] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: some minutes ago a user gave me a apt-get command to restor the missing tools
[11:23] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: but power still missing
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper_> markelhas: well idk really as I don't use edgy, it's too problamatic for my liking
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper_> use the apt-get command to restore the missing tools
[11:25] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: whitch one do u use?
[11:27] <TheGateKeeper_> I use dapper at the moment, but possible not for too much longer
[11:27] <xnp> hi everybody new kubuntu user overhere
[11:28] <xnp> was wondering i heard that there are other repo's wich i can download additional packages is that correct
[11:28] <trappist> !repos | xnp
[11:28] <ubotu> xnp: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:28] <markelhas> TheGateKeeper_: but any reason ?
[11:28] <Hitstudent> hi
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper_> dapper is more stable than edgy, from what I can make out edgy seems to have a number of problems
[11:30] <Conan> U cant get Kubuntu Edgy to work on my Windows system...
[11:30] <Conan> *I
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper_> for instance open office is broken, there are fixes but to the best of my knowledge they have not come through on the updates
[11:31] <Conan> Well actually i cant get any of the Kubuntu or Ubuntu systems to work they wont boot from the disk
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper_> and there are other problems too
[11:32] <Hitstudent> about edgy - how should I modify xorg.xonf that keyboard layouts would change?
[11:32] <Hitstudent> by pressing ctrl+shift?
[11:33] <Hitstudent> default is alt+shift
[11:33] <jhutchins> kde keyboard shortcuts
[11:33] <Hitstudent> no, its not what I want
[11:34] <Hitstudent> there are only shift+ctrl
[11:34] <Hitstudent> in dapper everything was vary clear
[11:34] <Hitstudent> very
[11:35] <jhutchins> Yeah, well, in edgy the "Windows" key is a modifier only, on Mandriva it's also available as a unique key for App Menu or dead key.
[11:35] <jhutchins> So I know what you mean, but that's the only place I know to change things.
[11:36] <jhutchins> Unfortunately there are too many different keyboard mapping mechanisms - xorg.conf, xmodmap, kde...
[11:36] <jhutchins> It's hard to tell which one has the final say.
[11:39] <cntb> jhutchins: I personally an happy I can have windows shortkeys in kubuntu
[11:40] <cntb> for example I said alt f2 or ctrl alt d
[11:40] <cntb> now winlogo r and winlogo d is enough
[11:41] <cntb> shortcuts are good even when introduced in windows first
[11:42] <cntb> edgys beautiful feature is I can choose UNIX KDE MAC or windows behaviour. jhutchins. makes me feel free
[11:42] <skreet> How do you use Win+D, R in KDE?
[11:43] <bobesponja> hi all
[11:43] <cntb> hi
[11:43] <bobesponja> I'm trying to access my machine from another computer through samba but it asks me for a username and password
[11:43] <bobesponja> and none of my user work
[11:44] <bobesponja> how can I allow any user to connect from lan?
[11:45] <skreet> bobesponja: smbadd -u username, if i recall
[11:45] <skreet> doesn't auth against local users by default
[11:45] <skreet> or at all
[11:46] <fdoving> bobesponja: open konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole) and run 'sudo smbpasswd username' where username is the username you want to allow samba access.
[11:46] <skreet> fdoving, bobesponja: sorry, it's smbpasswd, he's right.. it's been a while
[11:46] <fdoving> bobesponja: or 'smbpasswd -a username' don't remember exactly.
[11:46] <bobesponja> fdoving: but on my previous debian install, the user didn't have to enter any username or password. Can't I get rid of the user/password dialogue?
[11:47] <skreet> it's in samba config..
[11:47] <skreet> security = share
[11:47] <skreet> i belive
[11:47] <bobesponja> ok thanx
[11:47] <fdoving> You can use kmenu -> run command 'kcmshell kcmsambaconf' to configure this.
[11:48] <fdoving> bobesponja: ^^
[11:48] <Lunar_Raven> does anyone know of a proxy scanner/finder for linux?
[11:48] <fdoving> Lunar_Raven: nmap.
[11:48] <Lunar_Raven> nmap.  Ok, I'll look at that.  Thanks
[11:48] <Lunar_Raven> !nmap
[11:48] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[11:49] <bobesponja> fdoving: thanx for the tip, is it planed to add this module to kubuntu's "system settings"?
[11:50] <fdoving> bobesponja: not sure about the plans for the next release. I'm sure system settings will be improved somehow.
[11:53] <disko_dick> hello
[11:54] <disko_dick> i was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction
[11:55] <Jymmm> <----- that way ----->
[11:55] <disko_dick> i just installed the xorg-driver-fglrx and fglrx-control packages
[11:55] <disko_dick> and now my radeon is under performing seriously
[11:56] <disko_dick> any ideas on why it is doing this ?
[11:59] <soulrider> hi everyone
[11:59] <soulrider> theres a file in myh ome folder
[11:59] <soulrider> with strange characters
[11:59] <soulrider> and it wont let me delete it
[11:59] <soulrider> not even if im root
[11:59] <soulrider> it sais it can tbe found
[12:00] <fdoving> soulrider: open konsole (kmenu -> system -> konsole)
[12:00] <soulrider> opened it
[12:00] <fdoving> soulrider: 'rm -- filename'
[12:00] <soulrider> thats the thing
[12:00] <soulrider> i dont know what characters make the name up
[12:00] <soulrider> under console i see "?"
[12:01] <soulrider> and in konqueror i see squares
[12:01] <fdoving> ah. try to hit tab a few times.
[12:01] <soulrider> i did, but there are other files
[12:02] <soulrider> and i think it shows different chars everytime
[12:02] <fdoving> hmm.
[12:04] <smaggard> hello :D
[12:05] <disko_dick> hi
[12:05] <|jordan|> hi
[12:06] <|jordan|> can anyone help me?
[12:06] <|jordan|> ?
[12:07] <smaggard> hi
[12:07] <smaggard> whats your problemo?
[12:07] <|jordan|> not realy a problem
[12:07] <|jordan|> just a question
[12:07] <smaggard> mmk go for it
[12:08] <|jordan|> whats the difference between the DVD and CD Distros
[12:08] <|jordan|> cause 700mb and 3.96 GB
[12:08] <smaggard> the dvd allows you to burn 1 DVD and probably comes with a lot of packages on the DVD
[12:08] <Lam_> they're the same, except the DVD has a lot extra software on it in case you can't get an active internet connection or your internet connection is slow
[12:08] <|jordan|> so which is better?
[12:08] <|jordan|> CD or DVD?
[12:09] <smaggard> the cd is fine cuz everything on the DVD will be outdated in a few months anyways
[12:09] <fdoving> soulrider: sorry, kid woke up. use 'ls -li' the inode number will appear at the beginning of the line, before the filename. find the inode number of your mysterious file.
[12:09] <Lam_> personal preference so long as your internet connection is at least DSL
[12:09] <|jordan|> yeah im on a 2meg line
[12:09] <Lam_> get the cd then
[12:09] <|jordan|> im downloading the CD
[12:09] <|jordan|> i just cant stand SuSE
[12:09] <|jordan|> been using it for 6 months now
[12:09] <|jordan|> and i want away
[12:09] <smaggard> then i would download the cd and then install the packages with apt-get and it will download them when you need them and only the ones you want.
[12:10] <smaggard> suse has gone down the toilet
[12:10] <|jordan|> yeah
[12:10] <|jordan|> totally not what it used to be
[12:10] <smaggard> i used to like it before the whole getting in bed with novell thing
[12:10] <|jordan|> with its funny update thing with novell
[12:10] <disko_dick> can anyone help me with ati radeon driver issues ?
[12:10] <soulrider> got it
[12:10] <soulrider> now what should i do ?
[12:11] <soulrider> !ati
[12:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:11] <smaggard> yeah i have never downloaded a dvd iso for a distro
[12:11] <disko_dick> ubotu: yeah i did that
[12:11] <|jordan|> so any noticable changes ill notice?
[12:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yeah i did that - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:11] <smaggard> its kind of like... i have a 10mb download whats the point?
[12:11] <Lam_> ubotu: hi
[12:11] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:12] <|jordan|> anything ill notice between ubuntu and SuSe?
[12:12] <smaggard> ubuntu will just be a lot better lol
[12:12] <fdoving> soulrider: then 'find . -inum putthenumberhere -exec mv {} magicfile \;'
[12:12] <smaggard> btw are you getting Kubuntu or ubuntu?


[06:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning
[06:28] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:29] <didrocks> ça va oSoMoN ?
[06:30] <oSoMoN> didrocks, bien, et toi?
[06:47] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va bien, j'échappe à Lyon encore quelques jours pendant la canicule (dsl, je répondais à l'upstream de dash to dock)
[07:48] <didrocks> willcooke: hey! it's *live*! Shared on G+ and twitter as well
[07:48]  * didrocks is eager to see feedbacks
[07:48] <willcooke> didrocks, woot
[07:51] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[07:51] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN!
[08:13] <davmor2> oSoMoN: Thanks dude :)
[08:14] <willcooke> hey davmor2! congrats
[08:14] <davmor2> didrocks: I'm working as a test consultant for qualitest breaking all the things for all the companies ;)
[08:21] <didrocks> davmor2: nice, you spread even more your breakage capabilities! :)
[08:25] <davmor2> didrocks: indeed :D
[08:39]  * didrocks wonders why planet.ubuntu.com didn't refresh
[08:39] <willcooke> its a cron job
[08:39] <willcooke> it only runs every few hours I think
[08:40] <didrocks> few hours? I was thinking it was hourly
[08:40] <didrocks> (it's been more than an hour)
[08:40] <didrocks> but ok, if it's every few hours, let's wait :)
[08:58] <chrisccoulson> good morning desktop
[08:59] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, I'm not too bad. How was your trip back?
[09:00] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: long (quite some wait at CDG), but uneventful. How was yours? :)
[09:00] <didrocks> (and the last day?)
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, not many people turned up for the last day. And my travel was quite uneventful too - I came back in the afternoon to avoid rush hour travel :)
[09:04] <didrocks> yeah, smart move I think :)
[09:13] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, please get firefox of artful-proposed transitioned by force
[09:14] <didrocks> hum, aren't we frozen due to beta 2?
[09:14] <didrocks> alpha*
[09:16] <ricotz> 50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1 vs 54.0+build3-0ubuntu1 is really bad
[09:17] <didrocks> sure, but I mean, until the alpha images are released, we are frozen due to flavors using FF
[09:18] <didrocks> so, better to wait for later today that they released before pushing something that may broke/block them if they need to do an iso respin
[09:19] <ricotz> didrocks, ok, but please don't postpone it further
[09:22] <didrocks> ricotz: I'm not the one deciding and can't set overrides
[09:22] <didrocks> just talking for our flavors, which I'm not even impacted by, but just care about our processes
[09:24] <ricotz> didrocks, I see, still hoping this is taken care of :)
[09:24] <didrocks> so do I :)
[09:25] <ricotz> there should be some red flag if something like firefox is getting out-of-date that much
[09:40] <andyrock> good mooorning
[09:41] <didrocks> hey andyrock!
[09:52] <oSoMoN> hey andyrock
[11:52] <jbicha> didrocks: btw, Alpha 2 was last week https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[11:53] <jbicha> this week is 16.04.3 which I wasn't expecting although I guess that's been on the calendar for a while
[11:53] <willcooke> morning jbicha
[11:53] <jbicha> good morning
[11:54] <didrocks> jbicha: oh? I saw sil2100 talking about flavors, this morning and I had that in my mind
[11:55] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, hey there! is backporting llvm-4.0 to trusty on your list?
[12:00] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, cross your fingers for a new glib release ;)
[13:51]  * oSoMoN takes daughter to swimming lesson, bbl
[13:59] <willcooke> desktoppers - I'm going to take the afternoon off, I've got a headache I can't shift
[14:01] <didrocks> get better willcooke!
[14:01] <Laney> ah
[14:01] <Laney> MORNING!
[14:01] <didrocks> morning Laney ;)
[14:01] <didrocks> how was your flight?
[14:02] <Laney> hey didrocks
[14:02] <Laney> yeah no problems there
[14:02] <didrocks> enjoying Montréal?
[14:03] <Laney> it's humid!
[14:04] <Laney> not seen that much yet apart from the metro and the supermarket
[14:04] <didrocks> not that exciting yet thus :)
[14:05] <Laney> indeed
[14:05] <Laney> you good?
[14:06] <didrocks> I'm great, yeah! Thanks :)
[14:06] <didrocks> A lot of administrative tasks assigned to you as well btw (enjoy!) ;)
[14:08] <Laney> /o\
[14:12] <Trevinho> ah, welcome back GUADEC people :-)
[14:18] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[14:18] <Laney> how's it going?
[14:19] <jbicha> Laney: good morning
[14:20] <Trevinho> hey Laney, good... hacking in the shell
[14:20] <Trevinho> Laney: how are you?
[14:20] <Laney> alright
[14:20] <Laney> just got to clean some stuff then can hopefully start on debian things
[14:20] <Laney> hey jbicha
[14:20] <Trevinho> Laney: you had  a good GUADEC?
[14:22] <Laney> Trevinho: was really good to see all those guys again, yeah
[14:23] <Trevinho> cool
[14:24] <Laney> what are you doing in the shell?]
[14:24] <Trevinho> Laney: i'm back working in the fractional scaling thing
[14:24] <Trevinho> Laney: fixing the background right now,
[14:25] <Laney> cool
[15:15] <ouroumov> Guys can someone check this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torbrowser-launcher/+bug/1678355 I've just been hit by this on a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04.3
[15:48]  * oSoMoN back
[18:04] <oSoMoN> good evening everyone


[00:00] <popey> AlanBell: thats excellent
[00:02] <AlanBell> popey: I thought you might like it :)
[10:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:42] <popey> Good morning
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:35] <foobarry> lovely sunny day
[11:36] <brobostigon> certainly, and reletivly warm,
[11:36] <foobarry> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/google-may-use-arm-technology-for-server-processors/439558-11.html
[11:37] <foobarry> warm in my sitting room
[11:37] <shauno> gale-force rain over here :/
[11:38] <foobarry> google contributes to 5% of intel sales?
[11:38] <brobostigon> 8c outside here, which for this time of the year, is good.
[11:41] <foobarry> the bigger story that they might make their own chips
[11:41] <shauno> this steamos stuff has me thinking about building a htpc all over again
[11:56] <foobarry> what hardware shauno ?
[11:57] <shauno> I have no idea yet.  that's the fun bit :)
[11:57] <foobarry> i have a pvr ..bit limited in that it is not internet connected, but lot less hassle and wife friendly
[11:58] <shauno> I have an appletv atm, that's been xbmc'd up the wazoo.  it's nice & tidy but a bit tired
[12:00] <shauno> although most my problems are simply that it has an OS version so old that no-one targets it anymore
[12:01] <Myrtti> oh dear
[12:01] <Myrtti> Amazon lighting deals have a nice looking camera on
[12:01] <Myrtti> tell me I don't need a new camera
[12:02] <penguin42> Myrtti: What's your current camera?
[12:02] <shauno> you want us to lie to your face?  it's christmas, of course you need new toys ;)
[12:02] <Myrtti> Olympus Pen PL-1
[12:02] <penguin42> you don't need a new camera!
[12:02] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CBF4KKI/ gna gna gna
[12:03] <Myrtti> it's 300 pounds :-o
[12:03] <Myrtti> I don't need a new camera.
[12:04] <Myrtti> (I'd otherwise ask D to convince me, but he's in this Code Retreat thing in Pborough and isn't available to convince me to not look at things)
[12:04] <penguin42> Myrtti: The Nikon they have on there is more my level
[12:04] <Myrtti> penguin42: yeah I know, I won't even look at it because I find the m4/3'rds more my size devices
[12:05] <Myrtti> if a camera is any bigger I won't use it at all
[12:05] <Myrtti> anyhoo, time to go stir the slow cooker
[12:06] <foobarry> "It was expensive, not so much for the fish, but for the helium, so all in this is a 60 quid helium balloon. We bought two,(fish and shark) and one large sized canister from Toys r us, who assured us the one can would do the fish and the shark. It did the one Clown fish. The fish went together fasirly easily, nothing complicated, and the kids did like it, that is until I opened the back door to put some wine outside and it made a beeline st
[12:06] <foobarry> lol. looks like a massive con. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wow-Stuff-Air-Swimmer-870101/dp/B004P2CQM4/ref=sr_1_74?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1387022647&sr=1-74
[12:10] <penguin42> Myrtti: I like having a camera that just sits in my pocket all the time, doesn't take up much space and is cheap enough that I don't worry much about just leaving it in my pocket
[12:10] <AlanBell> foobarry: I have one, it is brilliant
[12:10] <penguin42> Myrtti: And I like having a good zoom to go with it
[12:10] <AlanBell> foobarry: I have the angry birds one
[12:11] <Myrtti> oh *that* nikon
[12:12] <penguin42> Myrtti: My current one is a Samsung WB600 (or is it the 550 hmm) but it's 12Mp, 18x zoom I think - but pretty lousy in low light
[12:12] <foobarry> AlanBell: its a remote control airship?
[12:13] <foobarry> but you have to get it filled with helium, so a rather luxury item right?
[12:13] <AlanBell> it is a toy, yes, but not expensive really
[12:13] <AlanBell> about £20 for a helium cylinder which lasts quite a while
[12:14] <AlanBell> and it lasts much longer than RC planes or cars for a playing session
[12:14] <AlanBell> and it is funny
[12:16]  * AlanBell charges it up and tops up the helium
[12:19] <foobarry> i wonder who  these people selling ps4 on facebook are
[12:19] <foobarry> played it for a week and now skint?
[12:26] <penguin42> foobarry: Or found a discount system somewhere?
[12:31] <brobostigon> is there a way to trick the google play store into thinking you have a different device, to install something it says is incompatible.?
[12:56]  * popey spatchcocks a chicken
[12:57] <brobostigon> :)
[12:58] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2013/12/14/s06e42-no-country-for-old-ubuntu/
[12:58] <popey> \o/ better late than never
[12:58] <brobostigon> :)
[13:00] <foobarry> daddy please can we watch click at lunchtime? OK :D
[13:00] <foobarry> ANGRY BIRDS daddy ,robots!
[13:06] <brobostigon> click got ditched for nelson mendelas funeral.
[13:12] <penguin42> hmm - http://www.staples.co.uk/phones-digital-cameras-ereaders/digital-cameras-digital-frames/digital-cameras/camileo-x400-red   I was almost tempted by that; but that says 5MP there, but in the ad in the paper it said 16Mp
[13:13] <foobarry> brobostigon: i'm watching it
[13:13] <brobostigon> foobarry: i am watching on iplayer.
[13:13] <foobarry> i record the longer version,the shortonedidn't get shown
[13:17] <foobarry> lol @ the 3d printed hipster gramophone
[13:18] <brobostigon> 8 or 900 quid, ouch though.
[13:23] <shauno> ooh, Chang-e is scheduled to land (on the moon) today.  neat!
[13:27] <gordonjcp> shauno: landed
[13:27] <foobarry> any parents tried colarapp?
[13:28] <shauno> damnit, I missed it.  seems successful though.  awesome
[18:33] <penguin42> popey: Wow at the auto tagging - I wonder how many CPU cores Google dedicate to cat detection
[18:33] <popey> yeah
[18:34] <penguin42> their image analysis/search is pretty damn neat these days
[18:42] <daftykins> :)
[19:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:02] <foobarry> never seen tron or the new tron
[20:03] <foobarry> don't think i will start now either
[20:24] <daftykins> foobarry: aww they have some beautiful imagery and impressive audio
[20:25] <daftykins> you don't go in for the plot :)
[20:25] <daftykins> (all that applies mostly to Tron: Legacy)
[20:25] <foobarry> and nokia product placement
[20:28] <foobarry> its blowing up a gale outside
[22:54] <Myrtti> Linux laptops: should you avoid buying Windows?
[22:54] <Myrtti> http://gu.com/p/3y7t2
[22:54] <Myrtti> found when browsing Guardian as I do
[22:56] <AlanBell> interesting article
[23:00] <AlanBell> I don't get how economists are not squirming at the lack of a functioning free market
[23:01] <AlanBell> the answer is "just shut up and buy Windows pre-installed"
[23:01] <penguin42> AlanBell: The problem is it's a matter of scale
[23:02] <AlanBell> which means the sales figures are distorted
[23:02] <AlanBell> it is a matter of monopoly
[23:02] <AlanBell> yes, the crapware offsets the license cost, I get that
[23:02] <penguin42> AlanBell: Until you can get thousands of people buying the Linux one there is little that can be done; you can buy laptops through the business arm of some of these companies without windows
[23:03] <AlanBell> yeah, I know all that, but this article is advising people to act contrary to free market principals
[23:03] <AlanBell> like all the others do
[23:04] <AlanBell> the next laptop or two that I buy are likely to be chromebooks
[23:04] <penguin42> problem is they have really bad specs
[23:05] <AlanBell> yeah, but they do what I want them to do, which is be a browser
[23:06] <AlanBell> extras for home so certain people leave me alone and don't try to turn *my* laptop into an Occado terminal
[23:08] <penguin42> haha yes that's probalby reasonable - although a tablet would probably do that
[23:08] <AlanBell> yeah, we have a tablet and it doesn't really
[23:08] <AlanBell> that is the music player for the kitchen, and I use it to check the hencam to see if I need to go outside and collect eggs :)
[23:09] <AlanBell> the screen on the nexus 7 (old style) isn't really big enough or high resolution enough for a big online shopping session
[23:10] <AlanBell> even with a bluetooth keyboard it isn't quite a laptop
[23:11] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanBell/posts/VLZvWBV5oX8 \o/
[23:23] <penguin42> AlanBell: But there are ~11" tablets with detachable keyboards now
[23:39] <AlanBell> there are, but I want a chromebook more than I want an android tablet
[23:43] <penguin42> have you noticed all the chromebook keyboards are lower case?
[23:53] <AlanBell> cool, no I hadn't
[23:59] <ali1234> AlanBell: economists don't read the guardian


[02:05] <Dendron> anyone here?
[02:09] <Dendron> When i use this java applet, the sound is scratchy and jittery and not good. How do i tell JAVA to use a specific sound server (ALSA) http://vnes.thatsanderskid.com/


[12:41] <wolflord> Afternoon all
[12:42] <wolflord> I have a question for all you Ubuntu experts, I am trying to setup a VPN on my Ubuntu box so I can view my box from work, question is ... HOW :)
[12:42] <wolflord> I have vnc working fine, but I would like to have a more secure connection
[12:57] <cliebow>   wolflord maybe nx is the way to go
[01:07] <wolflord> ok what is nx ?
[01:08] <wolflord> I found the howto's on how to VPN to a diffrent computer, but nothing on if I want to VPN into my Linux box from a Windows Computer
[02:58] <OptimusRex> does anyone know how to set up my display setting on my new edubuntu installation? There was a way of doing it through the konsole but I can't find the notes
[03:02] <OptimusRex> ubotu, help me with graphics settings please
[03:03] <LaserJock> OptimusRex: ubotu is an IRC bot
[03:03] <OptimusRex> that's ok but how do I get to search his knowledge base
[03:04] <OptimusRex> there's a way to make him pick key phrases and get answers
[03:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:04] <LaserJock> !nvidia
[03:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:07] <OptimusRex> I'm trying to install edubuntu but everything is too large for the screen so that I cannot see the ok buttons. Any help?
[03:08] <LaserJock> System->Preferences->Screen Resolution  perhaps
[03:11] <OptimusRex> that does not work if the OS is not installed. I'm still running the live dvd but can't install coz I cannot see everything.
[03:11] <OptimusRex> I need the Konsole and the commands that go with that. Do you know these
[03:34] <LaserJock> you can't get to the menu?
[03:39] <OptimusRex> I can get to the menu but the menu does not let me set anything to more than 640x480
[03:39] <OptimusRex> that's a fault of the live cd
[03:40] <LaserJock> well, that was the best it detected
[03:42] <OptimusRex> that's true. Hey, I've selected install on hard disk and it is showing the options to set everything. Let me see
[08:03] <willvdl> morning all
[08:05] <LaserJock> hi willvdl
[08:05] <willvdl> hey, long time
[08:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:08] <willvdl> taken a wee break. been reviving my photography
[08:11] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:13] <willvdl> hey
[09:07] <A_b> Greetings, I am currently downloading edubuntu live cd and was wondering if what desktop is the default if there is one?
[09:08] <LaserJock> Gnome is the default
[09:08] <LaserJock> although you can install Xfce4 from the Classroom Server Addon CD
[09:09] <willvdl> outa here. later folks
[09:09] <LaserJock> which you'll want anyway if you want the educational apps that are on the liveCD
[09:09] <RichEd> hi LaserJock / jsgotangco & A_b
[09:09] <LaserJock> I'm out too, night all
[09:09] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[09:09] <RichEd> g'night laser
[09:11] <A_b> greetings RichEd
[09:11] <RichEd> A_b: I see your info is KDE ... are you a teacher / student / admin ?
[09:15] <A_b> neither, I am a mature student and am looking for an os for my old p2 400 mhz with 128 of ram. For my children to become linux users as I am a new user :)
[09:17] <A_b> Creative writing major
[09:18] <RichEd> :) well edubuntu is what you want then ...
[09:20] <A_b> I am currently running opensuse 10.2 on this old 900mhz P3 IBM thinkpad - it was the first linux os that just worked on this computer after win98 just couldn't go anymore
[09:21] <RichEd> well ubuntu is often labelled as "just works" and edubuntu comes with some cool apps for kids ... some fun ... some educational
[09:22] <A_b> and love the way linux seems to just do what it has to do and yes my son who is 12 is itching to look at some possibilities for developing his skills in graphics and animation
[09:24] <A_b> but i'm looking forward to trying out the live cd :)
[09:38] <exw> this page: ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsIntel ) has a column with "Supports network install?". what do they mean when they say "network install"?
[09:43] <RichEd> exw: I'd guess they mean it supports an install across the network from a sever
[09:49] <exw> RichEd: for me ( newbie ) it just seams kinda weird that the network card would play such a important part in the install... i would have guesses if the card connected to the network, you would be able able to transfer any kind of traffic, whether it be an install or just a web page
[09:50] <exw> you know... packets are packets, right?
[09:51] <RichEd> exw: I think it's that the network card is able to find the server on boot, without any local software, and then start the install ... on older cards, you'd need local software to load the network drivers first before the server would be visible
[09:51] <RichEd> that's my guess ... open to correction
[09:51] <exw> ok, thanks for your help
[03:21] <wizzy> I am confused about the root-path param in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf - how do I add a root-server ?
[03:21] <wizzy> I used to put it as "root-path <IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386"
[03:21] <wizzy> But it doesn't seem to like the host part any more
[03:23] <wizzy> Is this a regression, or is there another parameter in dhcpd.conf that I use ?
[03:23] <wizzy> Or should I ask on #ltsp ?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> wizzy, if you dont get any help here try #ltsp
[03:27] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:28] <wizzy> sbalneav: afternoon..
[03:30] <juliux> hi sbalneav
[03:30] <sbalneav> Hello
[03:39] <ogra> wizzy, known bug, add nfsroot="<IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386" to the pxe parameters
[03:39] <ogra> its fixed in the last initramfs-tools version in gutsy
[03:44] <wizzy> ogra: thanks


[06:01] <SkullTraill> hello
[06:01] <SkullTraill> I'm new here
[06:03] <SkullTraill> Hello?
[06:03] <SkullTraill> Anyone?!?
[06:17] <wedderburn> SkullTraill: yeah?
[06:57] <SkullTraill> anyone?
[06:57] <SkullTraill> ???
[06:57] <SkullTraill> ??
[06:57] <SkullTraill> hello?
[06:57] <SkullTraill> ??
[12:51] <coz_> good morning


[03:21] <kfogel> micahg: loud in here :-)
[03:31] <micahg> yeah
[03:39] <mwhudson> suits me fine!
[04:07] <asabil> hi all
[04:09] <asabil> is there a way to reply to a mailing list message from the mail archive user page ?
[04:09] <asabil> I wasn't subscribed to the launchpad-users mailing list, and I want to reply to the launchpad 4.0 feature request
[04:51] <mwhudson> asabil: i don't think so
[04:51] <mwhudson> asabil: but i'm sure your reply will be seen even if you don't reply properly :)
[04:53] <asabil> mwhudson: ok thanks
[05:46] <ub3rst4r> hi, are there admins available?
[05:48] <ub3rst4r> anyone related to lp?
[05:49] <ub3rst4r> and i dont mean linkin park...
[05:51] <spm> ub3rst4r: what's the issue?
[05:53] <ub3rst4r> well...
[05:54] <ub3rst4r> i want to know how u get a product put on the front page of lp
[05:57] <mwhudson> ub3rst4r: "be interesting enough that the developers decide you belong there"
[05:57] <spm> ub3rst4r: as a featured project? create an answer request here https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion and *sell* why you believe XYZ project should be there.
[06:08] <ub3rst4r> thanks
[06:30] <zj3t3mju> i have problem with launchpad build system
[06:30] <wgrant> zj3t3mju: What's not going right?
[06:30] <zj3t3mju> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-vn/+archive/ppa/+build/1189724
[06:30] <zj3t3mju> it take too long
[06:30] <zj3t3mju> it really need some minute
[06:31] <zj3t3mju> i think it freeze
[06:31] <zj3t3mju> :|
[06:31] <wgrant> zj3t3mju: Indeed, there's something wrong with that build machine.
[06:31] <zj3t3mju> what now?
[06:32] <wgrant> spm: Who kicks buildds these days?
[06:34] <spm> wgrant: chasing... may be kicked RSN
[06:34] <wgrant> spm: Thanks.
[06:59] <shiki-> launchpad is dead atm?
[07:01] <mwhudson> shiki-: no?
[07:02] <spm> shiki-: url?
[07:02] <shiki-> okay.. it was temporary
[07:02] <shiki-> it said timeout, we recorded the error, error id, blah blah
[07:03] <spm> code page?
[10:04] <shiki-> where can I ask an admin to help out?
[10:05] <shiki-> (the story: I uploaded the packages into my ppa. Thats ok. But I used ~ppa1~jaunty1 somehwere, and ~jaunty1~ppa1 somewhere..ehhhhh)
[10:05] <bigjools> shiki-: what do you want?
[10:06] <shiki-> rename the packages in my PPA to the correct name. Package~ppa1~jaunty1 for example
[10:06] <bigjools> shiki-: nobody can do that, unfortunately
[10:06] <shiki-> ehhhh
[10:07] <bigjools> it's not a rename, it's a version change
[10:07] <shiki-> then bump versions?
[10:07] <shiki-> I should do that?
[10:07] <bigjools> you can do that yourself, yep
[10:07] <shiki-> okay...
[10:07] <shiki-> ty
[10:07] <bigjools> np
[10:07] <shiki-> just when I thoght Im done
[10:07] <shiki-> ..ehehe :)
[10:07] <bigjools> good luck :)
[10:07] <shiki-> ty :/ :)
[10:34] <Ursinha> OOPS-1336F604
[10:53] <shiki-> okay.. problem :)
[10:53] <shiki-> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30930407/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.mpg123_1.7.2-3ubuntu1~ppa2~intrepid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ; http://pastebin.com/d5534de35
[10:53] <shiki-> the first is the log (as you can see from url), second one is the file it refers before the purge
[10:58] <shiki-> any idea what causes the error? :/
[11:22] <bigjools> shiki-: #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask about that
[11:23] <shiki-> bigjools, ty
[11:29] <zj3t3mju> wgrant: is it still not resolved?
[11:31] <wgrant> bigjools: Can you get somebody to kick bohrium?
[11:32] <bigjools> wgrant: wassup?
[11:33] <bigjools> ah I see
[13:35] <fta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-confs/files => Internal Server Error
[13:43] <mrevell> thanks fta, let me speak to the admins
[13:44] <\u03b5> same at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/files
[13:44] <\u03b5> probably expands to whole bazaar.lp.net
[13:46] <wgrant> Do those login issues still exist? I haven't seen them for several days.
[13:47] <mrevell> wgrant: We're still getting email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about them
[13:50] <wgrant> mrevell: Huh.
[14:00] <mrevell> fta, \u03b5: bazaar.launchpad.net is back now
[14:00] <\u03b5> ty
[14:00] <fta> thanks
[16:30] <mneptok> how can i delete a branch that other branches stack on without futzing with the branches that stack?
[16:37] <mrevell> abentley: Are you able to help mneptok
[16:37] <mrevell> howdy, btw, mneptok :)
[16:37] <mneptok> mrevell: heya! :)
[16:37] <mrevell> mneptok: How's life?
[16:38] <mneptok> mrevell: quite nice. and definitely preferable to the alternative.
[16:38] <mrevell> :)
[16:38] <mneptok> well, other than LP hating our stacking
[16:39] <abentley> mneptok: In order to delete a stacked-on branch, you must futz with the branches that stack on it, or else you will break them.
[16:39] <mneptok> abentley: i really want to delete https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/6.0
[16:40] <mneptok> but it looks like our 5.2 branch may stack on it.
[16:40] <mneptok> what's the officially blessed way to resolve it?
[16:40] <abentley> mneptok: So if you delete it, you'll damage the 5.2 branch.  If you don't care about the 5.2 branch, then you can delete it.
[16:41] <abentley> (delete the 5.2 branch, I mean)
[16:41] <mneptok> i don't care. but He Who Signs My Paychecks does.
[16:41] <mneptok> so how do i tweak 5.2 exactly? pardon my ignorance ...
[16:42] <abentley> mneptok: I think you need to delete the files of the 5.2 branch and re-push it, stacked on something else.
[16:42] <mneptok> k
[16:42] <abentley> mneptok: You can delete the files using an sftp client or lp:hitchhiker.
[16:43] <mneptok> that seems like a bit of overkill for such a small issue. like using artillery to kill a housefly.
[16:44] <mneptok> but then again, i am sort of ignorant as regards these things, so my opinion is far from an informed one.
[16:45] <abentley> mneptok: You're asking to change the content of the 5.2 branch, perhaps radically.  We can probably make it easier, but it is a big deal.
[16:46] <mneptok> *nod*
[16:48] <abentley> One thing I don't see is a link to the branches that are stacked on 6.0.  We should provide that.  Maybe bzr could provide a re-push command or something that would delete all the files and push again.  Not sure what the right fix would be.
[17:52] <lamalex> Is launchpad brandable if a company were to setup their own inhouse instance?
[17:52] <beuno> lamalex, no easily, no
[17:53] <lamalex> and will canonical be (or is) selling support for third party lp instances?
[17:53] <beuno> lamalex, bac is the guy to talk to about commercial services
[17:54] <lamalex> beuno: thanks
[17:54] <bac> lamalex:  hi, at the moment our commercial offering is for hosted services on launchpad.net
[17:55] <lamalex> bac: still not brandable?
[17:55] <bac> lamalex: we have discussed a branded launchpad.net but do not have it on our roadmap
[17:57] <lamalex> maybe I should have used that as one of my 3 in launchpad 4.0 planning
[17:57] <bac> lamalex: if you have thoughts on what you'd like to see i'd like to hear them.
[17:57] <spO> is this where i launch my rockets into space?
[17:57] <spO> i have a new piece of shit i would like to launch from my ass
[17:57] <spO> 5
[17:57] <spO> 4
[17:57] <spO> 3
[17:57] <spO> 2
[17:58] <spO> 1
[17:58] <spO> explode
[17:58] <spO> just kidding
[18:01] <lamalex> bac: The ability to tweak the css, rather than launchpad > project be OurCompany > project
[18:01] <lamalex> in the bread crumb bar
[18:05] <bac> lamalex: if we offer a branded, hosted launchpad we would include a skin and url redirection.  i was wondering if you had other thoughts on what you'd like to see in such an offering.
[18:05] <lamalex> no launchpad is awesome, it's really mostly the url and the visible branding
[18:06] <lamalex> maybe the ability to have private branches
[18:06] <lamalex> which cannot be viewed/branched without credentials
[18:07] <Laney> cprov: Hey, with your queue-builder fix, can I expect to see a Karmic record for hugs98 on armel created soon?
[18:08] <cprov> Laney: yes, but not before 3.0. It doesn't fit the LP cherrypicking process.
[18:09] <Laney> alright
[18:09] <Laney> is there any chance you could manually create it?
[18:10] <cprov> Laney: not really, the preferred and easiest way is to re-upload (IMO)
[18:10] <Laney> ok
[18:12] <cprov> Laney: anything blocking karmic uploads right now other than the shorter time for testing ?
[18:12] <Laney> there's FF but that doesn't apply here
[18:13] <Laney> I just didn't want to have to rebuild on all arches just to have a look at one
[18:13] <Laney> when there's a good chance it will still fail
[18:16] <cprov> Laney: I understand ... it's odd.
[19:07] <maxb> Urgh. LP's time-on-queue based rescoring makes urgency completely useless for requesting a build ASAP
[19:12] <w4ett> mwhudson: user https://launchpad.net/~zulkharn is spaming again see: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/53861
[19:28] <hggdh> do we have a documentation of the Lp API that applies to edge?
[19:47] <kiko> hggdh, sure, the API doc is rolled out together with the appserver
[19:51] <hggdh> thanks
[21:09] <MTeck> hrm.... trying to setup my system so root can update all bzr branches....
[21:20] <MTeck> How do I log into bzr again?
[21:26] <beuno> MTeck, bzr launchpad-login?
[21:27] <MTeck> beuno: thanks - I just found it too :P
[21:27] <MTeck> so simple - hard to remember when I never ever use it though
[21:37] <dhillon-v101> hi everyone
[21:39] <MTeck> hi
[21:41] <lfaraone> hey, my project has a fairly large db of users in our trac system. when we move this over, is there a way to create accounts for the migrated users?
[21:41] <dhillon-v101>  MTeck: how are you
[21:41] <lfaraone> (and give them options to change their password etc)
[21:42] <MTeck> dhillon-v101: good, you?
[21:42] <dhillon-v101>  MTeck: not badm I have a question for you
[21:42] <MTeck> ya?
[21:42] <dhillon-v101> *bad
[21:43] <dhillon-v101> alright so I want to know how to restrict people from pushing to my project branches and only allowing some to
[21:44] <MTeck> dhillon-v101: you make a team that owns the project, then set the access to the team to restricted
[21:44] <dhillon-v101>  MTeck: alright thanks
[21:51] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, generally the users will have to create accounts themselves
[21:51] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, I don't think that's a bad idea entirely as you want to make sure they are okay with the switch
[21:51] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, how many is "fairly large"?
[21:51] <lfaraone> kiko-afk: 500~ users.
[21:52] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, it's pretty easy to precreate accounts for them, and once that's done, they'll need to generate passwords
[21:52] <kiko-afk> at least that's how I'd see it done
[21:53] <maxb> Why is there a need to precreate accounts, ooi?
[21:53] <lfaraone> kiko-afk: okay. once we've precreated accounts for them, can we add them to teams before they've verified/reset their password?
[21:54] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, hmmm, probably not. there are ways to activate their accounts without them verifying passwords, but the thing that concerns me is that if we do that, Launchpad will feel entitled to email them, and I don't think that's ToS kosher IYKWIM
[21:54] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, what project are you migrating?
[21:55] <lfaraone> kiko-afk: http://sugarlabs.org/
[21:55] <lfaraone> kiko-afk: we're the offspring of the One Laptop per Child GUI project, Sugar.
[21:55] <lfaraone> kiko-afk: and I'm currently trying to ready a smooth transition plan from trac to present to the board.
[21:57] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, so you should organize a chat with kfogel on monday; him and I and curtis will be able to help you with specific problems
[21:58] <lfaraone> kiko-afk: Okay. Unfortunately, I'll be over the Atlantic on Monday, but I'd love to take a raincheck!
[21:58] <kiko-afk> lfaraone, I'm sure we can find a solution to the specific user migration issue -- but I am just wary of getting users upset because we added them to Launchpad officially without them saying so
[22:00]  * MTeck hugs kiko-afk
[22:00] <MTeck> :( I scared him
[22:00] <lfaraone> MTeck: The hug of death!
[22:04] <MTeck> kiko: sorry, I didn't mean to scare you off
[22:04] <kiko> wrong button :-/


[09:13] <kqkq95> hi all ! i use Cloud-init with foreman, I have a vmware template under Centos 8, and when my vm starts my network interfaces are disconnected, I use open-vm-tools-10.3.10-3.el8 and cloud-init v18.5-7.el8, and when I delete the cloud-init package from my template it works fine, I have been looking for several hours but nothing
[11:11] <kqkq95> ?
[13:19] <kqkq95> nobody uses cloud-init and open-vm-tools ?
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> johnsonshi: tox does attempt to detect when declared dependencies have changed and automatically recreate, but it isn't always perfect (as you now know ;).
[13:32] <Odd_Bloke> kqkq95: The cloud-init core team are all based in US timezones, so we're only just coming online now.  There are ongoing issues with VMWare and cloud-init, which the cloud-init core team don't have the expertise to address.  We work with the VMWare developers who contribute to cloud-init, but as we don't have a depth of VMWare knowledge (or access to different environments etc.), there's only so much we
[13:32] <Odd_Bloke> can do independent of them.
[13:33] <Odd_Bloke> kqkq95: All that said, if you could run `cloud-init collect-logs` in a failing instance and make that tarball available somewhere, then I can see if there's anything obvious going on. :)
[13:40] <apollo13> kqkq95: did you get guest customizations to work with a golden image against vmware?
[13:41] <apollo13> I always fail because vmware won't detect that the open-vm-tools are installed till I start the vm the first time
[13:41] <apollo13> which I especially do not want to do because it is a clean template
[13:41] <kqkq95> hi all
[13:44] <kqkq95> yes i use a vmware template under Centos 8, I do not know too much comment configure cloud-init with the value: disable_vmware_customization: false
[13:45] <kqkq95> because i configure my static network with foreman who use open-vm-tools
[13:46] <apollo13> kqkq95: curious, if you do not mind, how did you create the template? and does vmware detect guest customizations in the template without ever starting the template on vmware?
[13:47] <kqkq95> the template was created with the official CentOS ISO
[13:48] <kqkq95> everything works fine without cloud-init :(
[14:10] <kqkq95> ok i follow this : https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/59557
[14:10] <kqkq95> the network is now good :)
[14:11] <kqkq95> but i have error in log : https://pastebin.com/X92rReed
[14:14] <kqkq95> why eth0 show nothing while my network is good "ip address list" is ok
[14:16] <apollo13> kqkq95: so you created the template by installing it on vmware and then convert to template?
[14:17] <apollo13> Odd_Bloke: are you around by any chance and can help me with an ubuntu cloud image? I am trying to get rid of the console changes they do for grub
[14:17] <kqkq95> appollo13: yes
[14:17] <kqkq95> apollo13: yep
[14:17] <apollo13> kqkq95: ah okay, how do you clean the system up afterwards?
[14:18] <apollo13> although I guess you might just rely on cloud-init to set machine-id to something new etc
[14:18] <kqkq95> apollo13: iarf
[14:18] <apollo13> I went another way and used virt-sysprep to pregenerate clean images but then vmware won't realize that they include guest tools *shrug*
[14:18] <kqkq95> apollo13: I don't clean...
[14:19] <kqkq95> apollo13: is there a procedure or script to put on the model ?
[14:20] <apollo13> na I scripted it myself with packer from hashicorp to automate the install and then cleaned it with virt-sysprep and generated an ova that I could import in vmware
[14:24] <kqkq95> i can use : cloud-init clean
[14:24] <apollo13> interesting, didn't know of that one :)
[14:26] <kqkq95> ok cloud-init show all my interfaces when i run cloud-init init :)
[14:26] <kqkq95> but why he says "Did not find any data source, search classes"
[14:27] <kqkq95> i setup a file name 10_foreman.cfg in directory /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/
[14:27] <Odd_Bloke> apollo13: Sure, what's up?
[14:28] <apollo13> Odd_Bloke: so ubuntu cloud-init images inject console=tty1 console=ttyS0 into grub.cfg
[14:28] <apollo13> somewhere very early, I am trying to find out were so I can remove that
[14:28] <Odd_Bloke> I believe it's in the shipped image.
[14:28] <apollo13> not exactly sure why one would want a serial console :)
[14:28] <apollo13> yes, but where :)
[14:28] <apollo13> I am remastering the image with guestfish and I'd like to get rid of that
[14:29] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, I see, you're asking where it's configured in the image?
[14:29] <apollo13> debian had it in /etc/default/grub, ubuntu has it (after boot) in /etc/default/grub.d/50-cloudinit-settings.cfg
[14:29] <Odd_Bloke> /etc/default/grub.d/50-cloudimg-settings.cfg
[14:29] <apollo13> but the latter only exists after first boot?
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> I don't think so, I think it's in the shipped image.
[14:30] <apollo13> let me recheck
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> (As an aside, the Ubuntu cloud images are designed to boot in as many scenarios as possible, and some places need a serial console for that.)
[14:31] <apollo13> openstack I presume?
[14:32] <apollo13> you might be right, I just checked the sha on my image and it doesn't match the one from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/SHA1SUMS -- maybe I deleted it already
[14:32] <apollo13> let me redownload that
[14:33] <Odd_Bloke> I'm not sure off-hand which scenarios require it, but given how configurable OpenStack is, I'm sure there are OpenStacks that require it, yeah. :p
[14:33] <apollo13> the funny thing is that by requiring a serial console it doesn't work on proxmox etc by default
[14:33] <apollo13> or rather then I have to switch to serial and I rather have spice displays
[14:35] <apollo13> Odd_Bloke: perfect the file is there, thank you.
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> OK, phew. :)
[14:38] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: blackboxsw: openssh now (in focal since February) supports .d directories for ssh_config and sshd_config.  I've filed two bugs related to this (basically, one for reading, one for writing): https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1871858 https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1871859
[14:39] <Odd_Bloke> These seem like good candidates for our roadmap for next cycle to me.
[14:39] <Odd_Bloke> powersj: rick_h_: ^ FYI.
[14:40] <rick_h_> Odd_Bloke:  cool ty
[14:50] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: ok
[15:35] <andras-kovacs> Hi! Is there a way to disable cloud-init to write in the root users's authorized-keys file?
[15:59] <Odd_Bloke> andras-kovacs: What is currently being written in there that you would prefer wasn't?
[16:01] <andras-kovacs> Odd_Bloke:  no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,command="echo 'Please login as the user \"myusername\" rather than the user \"root\".';echo;sleep 10" + my pubkey
[16:01] <andras-kovacs> Nothing, I decided to remove the whole file in the end with runcmd.
[16:04] <kqkq95> ok I have made good progress in my problem, my configuration seems good, but it seems that the client cannot reach foreman, the flows are however very open
[16:04] <kqkq95> error here : https://pastebin.com/hqnMrZFy
[16:09] <andras-kovacs> kqkq95: what OS do you have exactly?
[16:11] <andras-kovacs> what does systemctl status cloud-init.target says?
[16:11] <blackboxsw> andras-kovacs: I think you are looking at #cloud-config`disable_root` and `disable_root_opts` settings
[16:11] <blackboxsw>     disable_root: <true/false>
[16:11] <blackboxsw>     disable_root_opts: <disable root options string>
[16:11] <blackboxsw> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#authorized-keys
[16:12] <blackboxsw> you should be able to provide disable_root: false to avoid adding that to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys file
[16:13] <blackboxsw> andras-kovacs: or alternately you could provide a different set of opts than the default .... no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,command
[16:13] <blackboxsw> by setting disable_root_opts: 'something else'
[16:13] <andras-kovacs> thank you! and what about the ssh pubkey?
[16:14] <andras-kovacs> I get it from a datastore but it would be enough if the default user would get it.
[16:15] <kqkq95> andras-kovacs: CentOS 8
[16:16] <andras-kovacs> kqkq95: if cloud-init services are enabled, no file or kernel parameter which disables it, try:
[16:16] <andras-kovacs> mv /etc/systemd/system/cloud-init.target.wants/cloud-* /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/
[16:16] <andras-kovacs> cloud-init clean --reboot
[16:16] <blackboxsw> andras-kovacs: ssh_import_id: [gh:<youruser]   or [lp:<youruser>]   or ssh_authorized_keys per https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#configure-instances-ssh-keys
[16:17] <blackboxsw> any of those keys get assigned to the default user
[16:17] <kqkq95> andras-kovacs: why mv ?
[16:18] <andras-kovacs> There was a significant change with cloud-init in RHEL. Previously all these services were wanted by the multiuser.target
[16:18] <andras-kovacs> now it moved to it's custom, cloud-init.target
[16:18] <andras-kovacs> It's not working for me either in RHEL 7.8
[16:18] <andras-kovacs> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1820540
[16:19] <andras-kovacs> I know the mv part is dirty, but it is the easiest way to test it IMHO
[16:19] <kqkq95> my unit vloud* is already on multi-user.target.wants
[16:19] <kqkq95> *cloud
[16:21] <Odd_Bloke> Moving units around is very heavyweight (and could cause upgrade problems), it would be better to add additional dependencies IMO.
[16:21] <kqkq95> andras-kovacs: cloud-init target does not exist, I have cloud-config.service, cloud-final.service, cloud-init-local.service and cloud-init.service
[16:21] <andras-kovacs> which version of cloud-init do you have there? :O
[16:22] <kqkq95> 18.5-7.el8
[16:22] <andras-kovacs> Odd_Bloke: these are not the units just the symlinks :) Easy to revert/disable them.
[16:23] <Odd_Bloke> Aha, right.  Still, better to express a dependency on cloud-init.target, probably?
[16:25] <andras-kovacs> with systemctl edit yes
[16:25] <andras-kovacs> but it was the shortest and fastest idea to test it
[16:25] <andras-kovacs> but cloud-init.target is not there
[16:25] <kqkq95> yes
[16:27] <apollo13> ha I have the same question as andras-kovacs, disable_root: false and ssh_authorized_keys still writes to root as well as the configured user
[16:28] <apollo13> just tested on ubuntu focal
[16:28] <andras-kovacs> runcmd:
[16:28] <andras-kovacs>  - rm -f /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[16:28] <andras-kovacs> it will be fine for me
[16:28] <apollo13> that will work, but if my user actually set root as the default user I'd remove that again…
[16:29]  * apollo13 checks cloud-init source
[16:29] <andras-kovacs> oh you are right :S
[16:29] <andras-kovacs> but the funny thing is runcmd doesn't work if there is LVM on the server (which is sick in cloud env, I know I know.. .but still a requirement)
[16:29] <andras-kovacs> And there is no info in the logs about it why :(
[16:30] <andras-kovacs> at the end of the day I made a custom systemd unit which replaces the runcmd part and destroys itself
[16:30] <apollo13> looking at current master of cloud-init: https://dpaste.org/zi5J/raw
[16:30] <andras-kovacs> and noone should use the root user as the default one
[16:31] <apollo13> doesn't look as if there were __any__ way to disable setting the key for root
[16:31] <andras-kovacs> openssh is not bulletproof (nothing is)
[16:31] <blackboxsw> apollo13:/andras-kovacs hrm right disable_root is actually saying any configured ssh keys are put in both root and <default_user> because we expect users may have accidentally tried to login as root and we steer them to the actual default user instead with a printed message breadcrumb.
[16:31] <rharper> andras-kovacs: there's no interesection between lvm and runcmd ...     are you seeing an error in cloud-init status or cloud-init.log ?    or expecting output from runcmd to be somewhere on the filesystem and it's not ?
[16:31] <apollo13> blackboxsw: yeah I'd like to prevent that because it leaks user information
[16:31] <blackboxsw> so apollo13 andras-kovacs is the feature, that you want cloud-init to avoid touching root at all?
[16:32] <blackboxsw> and only setup default_user
[16:32] <kqkq95> andras-kovacs: no idea for me :(
[16:32] <andras-kovacs> yes
[16:32] <apollo13> blackboxsw: if use X is configured as default_user I do not want the ssh keys applied to root
[16:32] <apollo13> yes
[16:32] <apollo13> if user X *
[16:33] <andras-kovacs> blackboxsw: I totally got your point and I was thinking previously like how smart was it.
[16:33] <apollo13> andras-kovacs: funny though that we have the same problem the same day :D and I am pretty sure I do not know you
[16:33] <andras-kovacs> to think about this scenario
[16:33] <blackboxsw> I know there is a way to avoid dropping keys in root && default_user. just trying to think it through.
[16:34] <andras-kovacs> set an immutable flag on it (but cloud-init would probably fail?)
[16:34] <apollo13> blackboxsw: looking at the link I just posted from cloud-init master I doubt it
[16:34] <andras-kovacs> I'll remove it at the end, that should be ok.
[16:35] <apollo13> andras-kovacs: setting immutable would work, but that also means you have to generate .ssh/authorized_keys in the first place since it's not there by default
[16:37] <andras-kovacs> apollo13: yes and I have a feeling cloud-init would fail (maybe silently) if it can't write there
[16:37] <andras-kovacs> so I'll remove the file in the runcmd part at the end
[16:38] <apollo13> is there any way to allow password logins?
[16:39] <apollo13> and yes I know it's insecure, but it is just to allow initial login on the box and easy testing, our cfg mgmt will forbid it globally anyways
[16:39] <rharper> ssh_pwauth: True
[16:39] <rharper> password: XXXXXX
[16:39] <apollo13> ah thx
[16:40] <rharper> chpasswd: { expire: False }
[16:40] <rharper> that's in my debugging user-data
[16:41] <blackboxsw> andras-kovacs: apollo13 yeah looks like a feature request for cloud-init to avoid reflecting/disabled keys into 'root' user's authorized_keys file.
[16:41] <blackboxsw> as you mentioned.
[16:42] <blackboxsw> a bug would be nice for that and upstream can discuss whether this is a feature is something that we will be tackling in short term.
[16:42] <apollo13> rharper: mhm, I am having a hard time finding what "password" does
[16:43] <apollo13> ah it's from the default user, nevermind
[16:43] <apollo13> the docs are confusing sometimes
[16:44] <apollo13> interesting enough proxmox sets chpasswd.expire: false but not ssh_pwauth :D
[16:45] <rharper> apollo13: yeah;  some of this config is quite old so it's not well scoped under which module uses it;
[16:46] <apollo13> blackboxsw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug ?
[16:46] <blackboxsw> yes please apollo13
[16:47] <blackboxsw> just describe the feature and we'll triage it and determine how best to address it.
[16:47] <apollo13> ffs I tried searching if such a bug already exists but timeout error on search
[16:47] <apollo13> so might be a dupe :/
[16:52] <blackboxsw> no worries, can check that.
[16:52] <blackboxsw> thanks
[16:54] <apollo13> blackboxsw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1871879 -- not the end of the world for me, but would be nice if there were an option to disable it. Thanks for caring!
[18:25] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: rharper I have updated the branching/cherry-pick process spec https://hackmd.io/VbmtcZLyR4650aqqmfMMYg  to reflect yesterday's conversation and I have updated tooling to codify that.
[18:26] <blackboxsw> I'm about to push up doc changes to uss-tableflip PR#45 and cloud-init PR 308 with the steps to fix daily build recipe
[19:35] <blackboxsw> ok rharper Odd_Bloke I've closed 308  in favor of manual PR https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/312 for fixing ubuntu daily build recipe
[19:36] <blackboxsw> thanks for the discussions yesterday about the best approach for branch management to avoid push/pop of cpicks in the ubuntu/series branches
[19:40] <rharper> blackboxsw: ok ... I'll try to look;  grinding through some more curtin bits first
[22:50] <blackboxsw> rharper: responded to the big question https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/pull/45#discussion_r406505316
[22:52] <blackboxsw> and updated that I misread your 2nd question there
[23:10] <blackboxsw> I think I may have missed the point of your question about 'only needing the commit' from ubuntu/devel in ubuntu/daily/devel in order to revert.
[23:11] <blackboxsw> so I think on rereading the 3rd time yoy may have meant that ubuntu/daily/devel could actually just 'git cherry-pick cpick_commit_from_ubuntu_devel; git revert cpick_commit_from_ubuntu_devel' ? maybe
[23:22] <blackboxsw> the issue with just git cherry-picking a single commit into ubuntu/daily/devel and reverting it is that ubuntu/daily/devel is essentially a downstream, so that revert we'd perform there is on a comittish that is local only do ubuntu/daily/devel branch, so it won't revert the parent's commitish.
[23:22] <blackboxsw> ... when we merge back ubuntu/daily/devel into ubuntu/devel for daily recipe builds


[04:41] <bAndie91> hi all
[16:16] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Anyone tried Intrepid on the HP 2133?
[21:29] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Anyone tried Intrepid on the HP 2133?


[11:03] <Aquina> 'llo
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:52] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: hey. Did you check the translations for the slideshow today?
[15:53] <mr_pouit> I think a new upload was done yesterday, and it should include more translations
[15:53] <charlie-tca> no. I have to have jibel check them, I think. I can't read french
[15:53] <mr_pouit> hehe
[15:53] <charlie-tca> I can check in korean, though
[15:53] <mr_pouit> it was only for French?
[15:53] <charlie-tca> No, that was the one he used
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I think it was all translations
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I believe there were several languages looked at
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I will give it a go today. Got a nomal desktop install running now
[15:54] <mr_pouit> yep, I looked at the French translations when the bug was filed: everything was translated as "proposed", but not validated yet
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Then we should be in good shape now?
[15:55] <mr_pouit> I don't know, maybe nobody validated them?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I will try it to verify. I guess I can look and see if it is english in any language, right?
[15:56] <charlie-tca> It is a test machine, so if I hit the wrong button, it won't matter
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Translations did mark the bug triaged
[15:58] <mr_pouit> I'm looking at the changes in yesterday's upload
[15:58] <mr_pouit> ast.po
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I will go look at a few languages today, then
[15:59] <mr_pouit> bs.po, ca.po
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I can run the install up to the slideshow and see if it is translated in some of the major languages, at least
[16:02] <mr_pouit> da.po, el.po, en_*.po, etc.
[16:02] <mr_pouit> and fr.po has been updated, and it looks like the bug is fixed
[16:02] <mr_pouit> but very few languages will have complete translations apparently for our slides :/
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Great! You know how to read those things, I have to actually try it to do that.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu translates the text only, the images are all in English
[16:03] <charlie-tca> But, he said there were only two lines translated dur
[16:03] <charlie-tca> ing testing
[16:04] <mr_pouit> yep, but they translated (all|most) strings now
[16:04] <charlie-tca> That counts.
[16:04] <charlie-tca> If some text is still not translated, it should be okay
[16:05] <charlie-tca> At least we get most of it in the readers language
[17:33] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: slideshow is fully translated in german
[18:23] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: two paragraphs only translated in Korean
[19:09] <aroman> hey everyone. can anyone tell me a little about/point me to somewhere I can learn about how Xubuntu takes Ubuntu and turns it into Xubuntu?
[19:37] <TheSheep> aroman: um, it doesn't?
[19:37] <aroman> TheSheep: hmm?
[19:37] <aroman> I mean the process by which an ubuntu base becomes xubuntu
[19:37] <TheSheep> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ;)
[19:38] <holstein> aroman: have you checked out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ?
[19:38] <aroman> holstein: I'm looking for what Xubuntu does like that.
[19:38] <aroman> like some tarball or launchpad project that has the scripts that create a Xubuntu liveCD
[19:38] <aroman> not just the desktop metapackage
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Check the manifest on the livecd
[19:40] <aroman> will do. downloading a Xubuntu iso now.
[19:42] <charlie-tca> This gives the logs from the daily build, too - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/xubuntu/natty/
[19:43] <charlie-tca> which might be more confusing than helpful
[19:43] <charlie-tca> !manifest
[19:44] <aroman> charlie-tca: I think what I can take away from this is that I need to investigate "germinate"
[19:46] <charlie-tca> Here is what 10.10 was built from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseManifestOverview
[19:46] <charlie-tca> We are under "Flavors"
[19:47] <aroman> charlie-tca: so basically just a lot of packages?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:47] <aroman> I'm curious about how Xubuntu customizes things like the boot splash
[19:47] <charlie-tca> by picking and choosing packages, and making sure that there are packages to make things work with each other
[19:47] <charlie-tca> That would be in bazaar
[19:48] <aroman> does Xubuntu fork that package and then install it via that manifest file?
[19:48] <aroman> charlie-tca: ah, where could I find that exactly?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> um, no, we don't fork the package, we build a list of every package we want installed that is in Ubuntu's repositories
[19:49] <aroman> charlie-tca: right, but surely there are things that aren't packaged as standard xfce or ubuntu stuff.
[19:49] <aroman> like Xubuntu specific branding
[19:49] <aroman> how does that get applied to the LiveCD?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> As an official derivative, we are using ubuntu repositories. If the package doesn't exist there, we do not use it
[19:50] <charlie-tca> We create a package for the specifics, usually as part of the Ubuntu package
[19:50] <charlie-tca> rather, based on the ubuntu package
[19:50] <aroman> ah
[19:50] <aroman> and that ubuntu package "brands" the OS properly?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> but, every package we use must be available to Ubuntu, also
[19:51] <aroman> like via postinst or something
[19:51] <charlie-tca> yes, for example, the slideshows
[19:51] <aroman> okay now I'm getting it.
[19:51] <charlie-tca> ubuntu uses ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[19:51] <charlie-tca> we use ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu
[19:51] <charlie-tca> kubuntu uses ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[19:51] <aroman> and that includes the artwork/branding for xubuntu, and when installing the package it installs the files?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:52] <aroman> gotcha
[19:52] <charlie-tca> It is all built in bzr, first
[19:52] <aroman> so I think what I need is to see where the xubuntu package with all the postinst stuff lives
[19:52] <aroman> I didn't see code at https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <charlie-tca> let me see if I can remember where to look
[19:54] <aroman> excellent, I appreciate that
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I think -
[19:55] <charlie-tca> bzr branch lp:xubuntu
[19:55] <charlie-tca> but I won't take bets on it
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I don't do any proh
[19:55] <aroman> no dice I'm afriad
[19:55] <aroman> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/xubuntu": no supported schemes
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I don't do any programming, myself
[19:55] <aroman> ah
[19:57] <aroman> charlie-tca: I think I've found the goodies: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev
[19:58] <charlie-tca> there is also branches for /xubuntu-docs
[19:58] <charlie-tca> and /xubuntu-artwork
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Well, maybe I got you pointed there, at least, then
[19:59] <aroman> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art
[19:59] <aroman> yep :)
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Like I say, not doing any packaging or coding makes it harder to find things, sometimes
[20:00] <aroman> yeah no worries
[20:00] <aroman> I think I've got what I came in search of
[20:00] <aroman> charlie-tca: thanks a ton for your help :)
[20:00] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:00] <charlie-tca> no problem, glad we got you in the right direction, anyway!
[23:05] <Unit193> trigger-rally, gl-117 and gnibbles all crash in Xubuntu 11.04, would this be an OpenGL (or something like that) issue? (No, I don't only do games)
[23:06] <TheSheep> wrong channel :)
[23:06] <TheSheep> !+1
[23:06] <TheSheep> !ubuntu+1
[23:07] <Unit193> Eh, didn't know if it was some dev thing...
[23:07]  * Unit193 fails


[02:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:49] <ducasse> good morning
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> ogra: what happened to #ubports ? did they close or move?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/misc_business/
[11:00] <JanC> I think they are on telegram mostly
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> tnx JanC not sure if they ever moved from freenode to libera irc?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> the whole sunday schedule; https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/streaming/
[11:06] <JanC> I think they switched to Telegram before that
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> tnx JanC
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> !no touch is <reply> Information about the mobile port of the Ubuntu platform (formely Ubuntu Touch) for Phone and Tablet is available here: https://ubports.com/
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> !no touch is <reply> Information about the mobile port of the Ubuntu platform (formely Ubuntu Touch) for Phone and Tablet is available here: https://ubports.com/
[11:59] <tomreyn> when it says "you're editing an alias" , i think it's suggesting to look up what it is aliased to and edit that instead
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> ah
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> !no ubports is <reply> Information about the mobile port of the Ubuntu platform (formely Ubuntu Touch) for Phone and Tablet is available here: https://ubports.com/
[12:00] <tomreyn> !touch+
[12:00] <tomreyn> i forgot how to see details on a factoid
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> need to edit them both in the line?
[12:01] <tomreyn> https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=touch says: touch 	<alias> phone
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> !no phone is <reply> Information about the mobile port of the Ubuntu platform (formely Ubuntu Touch) for Phone and Tablet is available here: https://ubports.com/
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> yay
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> tnx tomreyn
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> worked
[12:02] <tomreyn> so you could suggest to instead edit the phone factoid, or to remove the aliasing (which is what you would have done by re-requesting within 10 seconds, but i don't think you have write permissions, so it didn'T immediately apply)
[12:03] <tomreyn> oh i'm slow
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> so i should always edit the first factoid on the row in ubottus brain?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> phone nexus7 tablet touch phablet ubuntu-touch ubports
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> phone is the main factoid, and the rest the aliases if i understand correct?
[12:05] <tomreyn> i think *this* list means that the factoid 'phone' is being referred to from aliases 'nexus7 tablet touch phablet ubuntu-touch ubports', right
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> kk tnx tomreyn
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> good to know
[12:06] <tomreyn> hmm, but there is no nexus7
[12:06] <tomreyn> so... i don't remember how it works really :)
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> it works on ubottu tomreyn
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> .nexus7
[12:07] <tomreyn> oh yes its there
[12:07] <tomreyn> i am just still sleepy
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> : )
[12:08] <tomreyn> i guess most of these could be dropped really now https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=touch
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> .devices is dead link
[12:17] <tomreyn> hmm right, but there's a lot of sub pages to it
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> there's a lot of work on the factoids/wikis
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> stuff constantly changing too
[12:19] <tomreyn> not for anything 'touch' related
[12:19] <tomreyn> but in general, yes
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> unity8 and lomiri still a thing too
[16:42] <Maik> lotuspsychje: lomiri = unity 8
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:48] <tomreyn> Maik: regarding linux mint support: sometimes a closer target is a better one (and a pointer to the official channel is on ##linuxmint's /topic)
[18:52] <Maik> yeah, probably but people do not read or pay attention to a channel topic at all
[18:53] <tomreyn> and this one did not even pay attention to the very command i posted for joining the other channel. so having them join another network... phew!
[18:55] <daftykins> this is why there's no point holding hands that much
[21:47] <Jeremy31> No point in keeping a broken pencil


[01:39] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  I have tied in  you mythbuntu lens of my ubuntu tv on 12.04 seems to be doing ok. Man do I need a pvr/dvr card
[03:13] <tgm4883> bobweaver, sweet
[03:13] <tgm4883> can you run your build in a VM?
[04:08] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  have not tried yet for 12.04 version
[04:09] <bobweaver> I am busy hacking away to implant nm-applet to the indicators. maybe by the  Sunday I  will try to pull that off
[04:10] <bobweaver> s|by\ the|by\ this|
[04:11] <bobweaver> I also put a thread up and on the forums looking for help with launcher icons
[04:12] <bobweaver> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1985869
[10:37] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQD_rWTMexM
[10:40] <bobweaver> PART 2
[10:40] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScZ2xjSAt2M
[11:11] <bobweaver> Who Did the graphics work for the saton project ?
[18:04] <daker> do we have a ppa to test ubuntu tv ?
[18:09] <mhall119> daker: not yet
[18:09] <mhall119> daker: mostly because we don't have ubuntu tv code
[18:12] <jhodapp> I believe there have been talks of getting a ppa going soon
[18:19] <tgm4883> doesn't make much sense to have a PPA until it's over in unity3d land
[18:20] <jhodapp> indeed
[18:26] <tgm4883> what is the progress on that anyway?
[18:27] <tgm4883> A daily PPA would help us once the base stuff is over in unity 3d so we can see how things are progressing and where stuff breaks
[18:27] <mhall119> I was one of the unity devs land something
[18:28] <mhall119> we can at least start building the new lenses and scopes
[18:28] <mhall119> uh oh
[18:28] <mhall119> popey: it wasn't me!
[18:28] <tgm4883> yea
[18:29] <tgm4883> popey needs to get the weekly USB sorted out
[18:30] <tgm4883> popey, if you need help with that, you might want to listen to this weeks UUPC, where there is talk about ubuntu-defaults-builder ;)
[18:30] <mhall119> tgm4883: I think bobweaver was working on some image building
[18:30] <tgm4883> mhall119, yep he was, although we need to convert that into some build scripts
[18:32] <tgm4883> mhall119, we should probably use http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/ubuntu-defaults-image.1.html
[18:32] <popey> haha
[18:32] <tgm4883> popey know more about that than I do, but I'd imagine if we did that, it would be zero work to move it over to canonical build servers
[18:38] <popey> we have used u-d-b to make remixes in the past, it makes sense to use it again
[18:40] <tgm4883> popey, I agree
[18:41] <tgm4883> is that what is used internally to build ISOs?
[18:41] <tgm4883> the production ISOs for release
[18:41] <tgm4883> I think whatever we use, it needs to be the same process that is used internally
[18:47] <popey> we have at least two ways to build isos


[08:36] <hikiko> hi
[08:37] <ypwong> hikiko, hi :)
[08:38] <ypwong> meeting this week or next week?
[08:38] <hikiko> no idea :) I thought this week...