[00:15] <clivejo> sgclark: I just created stable and unstable branches for spectacle, would you poke KCI into building it please?
[00:16] <sgclark> lol, this script takes a long time... I would prefer if we could do these all at once\
[00:18] <sgclark> running..
[00:21] <clivejo> Im just shouting them out as I see them
[00:22] <clivejo> trying to figure out what is wrong with them!
[00:23] <sgclark> its fine. just tired.
[00:25] <clivejo> kactivitymanagerd : 00:22:13 ERROR: Couldn't find any revision to build. Verify the repository and branch configuration for this job.
[00:25] <clivejo> whats that mean?
[00:29] <sgclark> clivejo: it means it cannot find the branch specified. let me look
[00:30] <clivejo> which branch?
[00:30] <clivejo> debian git or kde git
[00:30] <sgclark> nope it is failing @ kde git
[00:32] <sgclark> yep only has a  master branch and it is trying to pull Plasma 5.5
[00:32] <sgclark> lets see
[00:50] <sgclark> clivejo: I created a pull request to fix that, unfortunately blue systems aka sitter will have to accept it. So probably will not happen till tomorrow. very late on your side of the pond.
[00:51] <clivejo> no prob, need to hit the sack myself!
[00:51] <sgclark> I bet lol
[00:51] <clivejo> KCI is busy now anyways!
[00:57] <sitter> sgclark: pull requests are more bonus than anything. when you run update-projects the only thing that matters is what the yamls in your working directory say
[00:58] <sitter> sgclark: I think you need to rebase your branch
[00:58] <sgclark> oh. that I did not know
[00:58] <sitter> https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/pull/2
[00:58] <sitter> https://github.com/ScarlettGatelyClark/pangea-tooling/commit/5d7fc54c067665f4a4a37be64c9bb0d8485ea2ed that should not be there
[00:59] <sgclark> ugh I do not understand github at all
[00:59]  * sitter reads backlog
[00:59] <sgclark> all I wanted to update was base.yaml
[01:00] <sitter> sgclark: gem install git-up, then use git up instead of git pull ;)
[01:00] <sitter> 9/10 times git up will make smarter decisions about what to do
[01:00] <sgclark> ok
[01:00] <sitter> anyway
[01:00] <sitter> sgclark: that change actually is wrong
[01:00] <sitter> kactivitymanagerd has no stable branch
[01:00] <sgclark> interesting
[01:00] <sitter> only gets one with 5.6 I presume
[01:01] <sgclark> I did not say stable branch. I said master
[01:01] <sitter> yeah, you are mapping kubuntu_*stable* to upstream master
[01:01] <sitter> which is conceptually wrong
[01:01] <sgclark> oh.
[01:01] <sgclark> I see the error of my ways now
[01:02] <sitter> the problem with that is that it will later prevent kactivitymanagerd from using the common plasma stable branch btw, so that would cause head scratching
[01:03] <sitter> sgclark: what you probably want to do is drop the kubuntu_stable branch from the packaging repo
[01:03] <sitter> and remove the jobs
[01:03] <sitter> ci-tooling/kci/expunge.rb might help with that
[01:04] <sgclark> I do not have perms to delete branches
[01:04] <sitter> doesn't everyone have?
[01:04] <sgclark> ugh
[01:04] <sitter> you just have to disable the hook manually first I think
[01:04] <sitter> ci-tooling/kci/expunge.rb --keep-merger --type stable --dist wily --dist xenial kactivitymanagerd
[01:05] <sitter> that should sort jenkins
[01:05] <sitter> (I think ;)
[01:05] <sgclark> my head hurts. don't we have a release manager around here?! ... I will have to look at this
[01:06] <sgclark> diable the hook. what does that mean exactly?
[01:06] <sgclark> git hook somewhere?
[01:06] <sitter> on git.debian.org go into the repo dir and move hooks hooks.bak
[01:06] <sitter> then push
[01:06] <sitter> then move back
[01:07] <sitter> or ask maxy how he does it. I don't actually recall having to move hooks out of the way
[01:07] <sitter> so maybe there is more to it
[01:07] <sgclark> I have not actually tried to delete. was just told that
[01:09] <sitter> sgclark: just try it xD
[01:10] <sgclark> yeah I will, got 50 thousand things going on. + my brain is scrambled with a migraine
[01:11] <sitter> if we still had a bot I'd order you some drugs
[01:11] <sitter> alas
[01:11] <ScottK> sitter: maybe a fez.
[01:12] <sitter> a fez does not help with a migraine silly :P
[01:15] <sgclark> delete was a success. now to expunge.rb
[01:18] <sgclark> died at lp call... investigating
[01:19] <sitter> sgclark: you need to setup an lp token for that
[01:19] <sitter> but you don't really need that anyway
[01:19] <sitter> jenkins happesn first
[01:19] <sitter> and since the jobs never created any valid builds there is nothing on lp anyway
[01:19] <sgclark> o
[01:19] <sgclark> k
[01:21] <sitter> sgclark: didn't the lp thingy tell you to go to some url to authenticate?
[01:22] <sgclark> I see it in console but it zoomed past the type done and hit enter and never opened webpage or let me type.
[01:22] <sgclark> like it usually would
[01:22] <sgclark> one sec
[01:22] <sitter> you have to run it again to get a new url
[01:23] <sitter> actaully it running past the typing input is weird
[01:23] <sitter> sounds buggish xd
[01:23] <sgclark> ran again, same error, but I thought it was not needed
[01:23] <sgclark> now I am confused
[01:23] <sitter> sgclark: yeah, but something to look into
[01:24] <sgclark> ok, yes I thought the skipping user input odd
[01:25] <sitter> https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/blob/master/ci-tooling/lib/lp.rb#L102
[01:25] <sitter> the weird thing is... even if io doesn't work that should infinite loop
[01:25] <sitter> unless it actually reads done that loop never ends
[01:25] <sitter> very peculiar
[01:25] <sgclark> that is the way I read it. but I never typed done lo
[01:26] <sgclark> oh
[01:26] <sgclark> wait
[01:27] <sgclark> lp.rb:104:in `gets' No such file or directory
[01:27]  * sitter watching tv program in mandarin. takes forever. nothing but waiting to do
[01:27] <sitter> sgclark: oO
[01:27] <sgclark> @ rb_sysopen
[01:27] <sitter> sgclark: do you pipe this command something?
[01:28] <sgclark> sitter: I copied your command above
[01:28] <sitter> that sounds like it can't open stdin for reading... wtf...
[01:28] <sgclark> (05:04:54 PM) sitter: ci-tooling/kci/expunge.rb --keep-merger --type stable --dist wily --dist xenial kactivitymanagerd
[01:29] <sgclark> umm actually it seems like it is trying to open kactivitymanagerd hah. let me paste this for you
[01:30] <sitter> aaaaaaaaaaah
[01:30] <sitter> I think we leave kactivitymanagerd in ARGV
[01:30] <sitter> and gets then reads that
[01:30] <sitter> sgclark: run irb
[01:30] <sgclark> sitter: paste.ubuntu.com/15263932/
[01:30] <sitter> that brings up a prompt
[01:30] <sgclark> ok
[01:30] <sitter> then paste this https://paste.kde.org/pn7julrmj
[01:31] <sitter> then you should get the auth business and it should wait for your done input ;)
[01:31] <sitter> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Kernel.html#method-i-gets xD
[01:32] <sitter> we leave the dangling stuff in ARGV and gets then pops it and gets all confused ^^
[01:32] <sgclark> yep that was it
[01:32] <sitter> will fix tomororw
[01:32] <sitter> somewhat for a corner case
[01:33] <sgclark> lol I am a corner case! always and forever
[01:34] <sgclark> ok that is fixed now. thanks
[01:36] <sitter> also wrote down for future admisn https://github.com/blue-systems/pangea-tooling/wiki/Launchpad-Config
[01:36] <sgclark> thanks!
[01:37] <sgclark> so you can toss my pull request. thanks for the help.
[01:58] <ScottK> sitter: I thought a fez helped with everything.
[09:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:45] <clivejo> morning lordievader
[09:45] <lordievader> Hey clivejo, how are you?
[09:45] <clivejo> sgclark: mind if I stage plasma 5.5.5?
[09:45] <clivejo> cold and sleepy!
[09:57] <clivejo> lordievader: what about you?
[09:58] <lordievader> Doing good here, fighting with kdeconnect.
[10:00] <clivejo> oh?
[10:01] <lordievader> My kio  is probably missing something, when trying to browse the phone it complains that it doesn't know kdeconnect.
[10:02] <lordievader> Guess, I
[10:02] <clivejo> Im using a package from KCI, seems to be working fine
[10:02] <lordievader> I'll use Airdroid for file transfer.
[10:02] <lordievader> clivejo: I'm running Gentoo ;)
[10:03] <clivejo> ah
[10:03] <soee> clivejo: she probable sleeping right now :)
[10:03] <soee> yofel: can we stage 5.5.5 ?
[10:04] <clivejo> soee: he told me to ask sgclark
[10:05] <soee> ah.. ok :)
[10:06]  * clivejo considers staging it locally
[10:07] <clivejo> or maybe upload to my PPA instead
[10:09] <soee> maybe i don't know about something but why it can't be uploaded to staging just likt this? :)
[10:09] <soee> does ot break anything ?
[10:10] <clivejo> The release managers need to know all thats going on for future planning
[10:11] <clivejo> if packages needed for a release (archive) havent been copied out a new version deletes the old one
[10:12] <clivejo> someone has to keep track of it all
[10:13] <clivejo> and all this is voluntary and done by very busy people in their spare time
[10:14] <soee> ok so we have something waiting for upload to archive but then shouldn't it be pending in testing ppa and staging should be free for next version upload ?
[10:15] <clivejo> soee: Im not sure, I havent been at this long enough to know the potential pitfalls
[10:15] <clivejo> all i know is that this FFE is a major log jam for development
[10:16] <soee> yup :) also i don't get it why we have to wait so long for the response
[10:16] <clivejo> me neither
[10:16] <soee> are we sure they get our messages ?
[10:16] <clivejo> soee: I have no idea
[10:20] <clivejo> As sgclark is on the UCC I assume she would know who to poke and so forth, its something Ive never done before and dont understand the process
[10:22] <valorie> !ffe
[10:23] <clivejo> valorie: are you up late or up early?!?
[10:24] <valorie> too late
[10:24] <clivejo> eakkk
[10:24] <clivejo> get some sleep!
[10:24] <clivejo> you have a meeting in the morning!
[10:24] <valorie> gads, that has so many steps
[10:24] <valorie> well, I'll set my alarm for that, but no promises
[10:26] <clivejo> what is the process for getting software into the archive?
[10:27] <valorie> sponsorship
[10:27] <valorie> which is why some of the kubuntu devels also became/will become MOTU
[10:27] <clivejo> I kinda feel like Im wasting my time packaging digikam calligra etc as it doesnt seem to get into the archive
[10:28] <valorie> Ubuntu Developer is as difficult as Debian Developer I think
[10:28] <valorie> ?
[10:28] <valorie> you are getting it to our users
[10:28] <clivejo> not much use in my PPA!
[10:28] <valorie> yes, I guess you have to get testing first?
[10:29] <valorie> that FFe page gives a link to the sponsorship process
[10:29] <valorie> I believe it's pretty much the same in Debian
[10:30] <valorie> you make your package and then ask for sponsorship, and the sponsor DD works with you to make it perfect
[10:30] <valorie> the more you do that, the closer you get to Developer status
[11:27] <clivejo> sitter: ^^ that kpat build had an SSLError, is that a LP problem?
[11:31] <clivejo> also, is there a way to push something to the front of the queue
[11:55] <kfunk> asked this yesterday already? will there be an update to kdepim in near future? even 16.10 is stuck at 5.0.2 afaics
[12:01] <clivejo> kfunk: well apps 16.04 are due out in April
[12:01] <clivejo> and there looks to be some big changes in PIM
[12:02] <kfunk> ugh, and I meant 16.04 of course :)
[12:02] <clivejo> I mean KDE Applications 16.04, not Kubuntu 16.04(Xenial)
[12:03] <kfunk> right, I was referring to the Xenial version of course.
[12:07]  * kfunk is heavily confused about kdepim's release schedule. it's supposed to be part of kde apps, right? but I don't see source tarballs of kdepim related apps in any of 15.08 and 15.12, for instance
[12:07] <kfunk> e.g. no kontact here: http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/15.12.2/src/
[12:08] <clivejo> its bunched up into a few different tars
[12:09] <clivejo> kdepim, kdepim-runtime, kdepimlibs
[12:10] <clivejo> kfunk: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kontact
[12:10] <clivejo> built by kdepim
[12:11] <kfunk> ah, right. sure
[12:12] <kfunk> ok, right. 15.08.2 is what I have right now (on xenial), which has the internal version 5.0.2.
[12:12] <clivejo> I dont know why or what that internal version is all about!
[12:14] <kfunk> well, doesn't matter indeed. it's just what `kontact --version` spits out here.
[12:18] <kfunk> so, I guess the correct question would be: why's Xenial still stuck with KDE Apps 15.08; and when will it get 15.12 or 16.04? :)
[12:21] <clivejo> kfunk: Because KDEPIM 15.12.2 has caused us problems
[12:21] <clivejo> and Xenial is now in Feature Freeze
[12:22] <kfunk> :\
[12:22] <clivejo> so we cant add it, even if we wanted to!
[12:22] <kfunk> that... sucks.
[12:22] <clivejo> We have a FFE open, but no reply yet
[12:22] <clivejo> we were going to release apps 15.12.2 without PIM
[12:23] <kfunk> question: does korganizer work for you at all atm?
[12:23] <clivejo> kontact works for me, yes
[12:23] <kfunk> korganizer, to be exact. it just crashes here when opening
[12:23] <kfunk> and this crash is confirmed by multiple other users in BKO
[12:23] <clivejo> what version of kdepim is installed?
[12:24] <kfunk> 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1
[12:25] <clivejo> same as mine
[12:25] <kfunk> no crash?
[12:25] <kfunk> when starting `korganizer`?
[12:25] <kfunk> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352256 fwiw
[12:26] <clivejo> nope, opens Kontact in Calendar view
[12:26] <clivejo> and I can see all my appointments and Kolab tasks
[12:28] <kfunk> ok. if ubuntu is really stuck at 15.08.2 I need to dig into the issue and patch this particular version. korganizer is unusable right now.
[12:28] <kfunk> sigh
[12:29] <clivejo> what version plasma and frameworks you on?
[12:30] <clivejo> does kmail work?
[12:31] <kfunk> yep
[12:31] <clivejo> sounds like might be a missing dep for calendar
[12:32] <kfunk> akregator is crashy as well, though. (didn't dig into it yet, though. just happens for one particular feed entry)
[12:32] <clivejo> akregator has caused me problems
[12:32] <kfunk> I'll check... I thought I'd be just happily receiving updates and the issues would vanish, but apparently that's not the case ;)
[12:32] <clivejo> but only certain feeds due to a weird SSL cert
[12:34] <kfunk> I've already patched akonadi-server locally (because it has a pretty serious issue with unread-mails counting when ignored threads are involved...)
[12:34] <kfunk> tl;dr: lots of issues in KDEPIM 15.08.2
[12:34] <clivejo> kfunk: upstream are doing a lot of work moving libs out of kdepimlibs into akonadi
[12:36] <clivejo> kfunk: do you know how the packages interact?
[12:37] <kfunk> roughly
[12:37] <kfunk> honestly, I just want my kdepim to work. I'm busy enough with other things :\
[12:37] <clivejo> kfunk: check out http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[12:37] <clivejo> thats our progress on apps 15.12.1
[12:38] <clivejo> basically the red packages are what we are having issues with
[12:39] <clivejo> Ive just moved in KCI builds of libkolab and libkolabxml and retrying kdepim-runtime against that
[12:41] <clivejo> Ill go have some lunch while that builds
[12:41]  * clivejo fingers crossed
[12:41] <kfunk> clivejo: where's the FFE? I'd like to subscribe
[12:41] <kfunk> indeed.
[12:41] <kfunk> thanks for the hard work
[12:43] <clivejo> sgclark filed it, cant remember which package it was against :/
[12:46] <clivejo> Bug 1547571
[12:47] <clivejo> I think thats it
[13:09] <justin_time> Hi, I have a FFe for the tomahawk-player package, now. I'm looking for a sponsor for this package. The Kubuntu Developers maintained the old tomahawk package and so could you sponsor this package, too? This package replace the old tomahawk package because of a name conflict with a different tomahawk package in the debian sources.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:36] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[13:38] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[14:03] <kipropesque> hello
[14:39] <yofel> justin_time: the maintainer field is just plain wrong. We did look after it a long time ago, but nobody here has upload permissions for tomahawk right now. That's why I pointed you to the MOTU team which is the fallback maintainer in this case.
[14:39] <yofel> so, it's not that we're ignoring you, we just can't help you
[14:40] <justin_time> yofel: oh ok, thank you for the explanation! But how can it be, that the maintainer has no upload permission?
[14:41] <ScottK> justin_time: The Kubuntu team has had a lot of turnover recently.
[14:41] <yofel> justin_time: upload permissions aren't by-maintainer, but by package set. And the package is not in our "supported" package lsit
[14:41] <ScottK> Permissions are individual based, not team based.
[14:41] <justin_time> ah ok, I thought they are team based.
[14:42] <justin_time> thanks for your help anyway! I try to find a sponsor on ubuntu-motu, but this is quite difficult!
[14:43] <yofel> the update is properly listed in the sponsorship queue at least. So it's really finding someone for the upload
[14:45] <justin_time> Does anyone of you know a sponsor who could help me?
[14:50] <clivejo> anyone know why this failed - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/244999616/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kdepim-runtime_4%3A15.12.1-2ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa6_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:54] <ScottK> clivejo: The errors start with ../../../resources/kolab/kolabhelpers.cpp:88:9: error: 'KContacts' has not been declared
[14:55] <ScottK> Possible missing build-depends or a header file left out.
[14:56]  * clivejo cries
[15:39] <sgclark> yofel: can you see if kdevelop* can be a direct sync from debian
[15:52] <yofel> sgclark: I'll get back to you once I did
[15:53] <sgclark> thanks\
[16:04] <sgclark> hmm framework kactvities depends on plasma kactivitymanagerd. That is going to be a nightmare..
[16:04] <yofel> we will need to carefully review the versioned deps when uploading
[16:05] <yofel> plasma deps on frameworks, apps on frameworks, frameworks on apps, plasma on frameworks, frameworks on plasma
[16:05] <yofel> enjoy
[16:05] <sgclark> different release schedules too..
[16:05] <sgclark> good grief
[16:37] <sitter> yofel, clivejo, sgclark: I am rolling out a new oauth gem shortly, keep an eye on possible oauth failure for the next couple of days please
[16:38] <sgclark> okies
[16:41] <tsdgeos> sgclark: it doesn't "depend" on it
[16:41] <tsdgeos> it's useless without it
[16:41] <tsdgeos> but can be built without it
[16:41] <tsdgeos> or that's what i understand
[16:41] <sgclark> ummm ok. clear as mud :)
[16:42] <tsdgeos> no really it's very simple
[16:42] <tsdgeos> but whatever
[16:42] <sgclark> wow. did I do something?
[16:42] <sgclark> or lack thereof?
[16:42] <tsdgeos> clear as mud :)
[16:43] <tsdgeos> is not a very encouraging sentence
[16:43] <sgclark> well I am trying to package. do we need it or not your explaination says both.
[16:43] <sgclark> clear as mud
[16:44] <sgclark> whatever. I am busy with my kde hat atm.
[16:44] <tsdgeos> as said
[16:44] <tsdgeos> wahtever
[16:44] <tsdgeos> and you got angry but you can watherver me ;)
[16:46] <sgclark> if it is useless without it, says to me it does depend on it. Ok done. moving on. thanks for your input tsdgeos. We can be friends again.
[16:46]  * sgclark goes for more coffee.
[16:59] <genii> mmm coffee
[17:42] <clivejo> sgclark: regarding http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kactivities/ dont we need that package?
[17:45] <sgclark> of course we do. clearly something went wrong. investigating
[17:48] <sgclark> me and git add do not get along it seems.
[18:53] <soee> Plasma 5.6 beta out :)
[18:54] <sgclark> heh
[18:56] <soee> sgclark: clivejo asked earlier if we can stage 5.5.5
[18:56] <soee> are there any objections ?
[18:57] <sgclark> No. we need Ffe approved and this stuff in archive. Or we will have to file another and start all over.
[18:57] <sgclark> At this rate we will not have an xenial release.
[19:02] <claydoh> is there something holding up the ffe?
[19:02] <sgclark> ubuntu-release team
[19:03] <sgclark> no activity at all from them
[19:03] <soee> can we somehow catch them and chat with them ?
[19:04] <sgclark> clivejo tried without luck
[19:04] <ScottK> What's the bug number?
[19:05] <soee> so maybe we should talk with other team/group
[19:05] <clivejo> is there a link to Core Meeting?
[19:05] <soee> maybe they could get in touch with this ffe team
[19:05] <sgclark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/1547571
[19:06] <ScottK> The "FFe team" is the Ubuntu release team.
[19:06] <clivejo> The only reply I got was "sending bribes to release team postal addresses usually works"
[19:06] <sgclark> ScottK: ^
[19:06] <ScottK> sgclark: You've (the collective you) tested all this, right?
[19:07] <sgclark> ScottK:  yep. For weeks now.
[19:07] <ScottK> thanks.  I figured, but just checking.
[19:08] <clivejo> sgclark: does pim build if we drop kolab support?
[19:08] <ScottK> sgclark: It'd probably be good to describe the testing you've done in the bug.
[19:08] <sgclark> clivejo: At this time I am releasing without.  If you want to try to build without kolab go ahead.
[19:09] <clivejo> just seems to be what debian have done
[19:10] <sgclark> ScottK Ok. I will asap
[19:12] <clivejo> does anyone know any of them to give them a personal poke?
[19:12] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+mugshots
[19:13] <soee> since few days autocomplete for commands stopped working for me ... someone can confirm this on Xenial ?
[19:13] <ScottK> clivejo: I just did.
[19:14] <clivejo> :) thanks ScottK
[19:59] <clivejo> sgclark: rebuild with libkolab-dev removed but its still FTBFS
[20:00] <clivejo> sgclark: is there any way to force a package to jump the queue and build?
[20:00] <sgclark> ok. removing pim from Ffe. We will have to backport when the time comes. We will point all the angry peeps upstream haha
[20:01] <sgclark> jump the que? in jenkins? no not without priority plugin. And I do not know enough about their setup to starting adding plugins.
[20:01] <clivejo> oh wait, its missing files its failing on!
[20:02] <sgclark> oooh
[20:02]  * sgclark holds on removing pim
[20:02] <clivejo> the kolab stuff
[20:02] <clivejo> if I remove them from *.install it might just work!
[20:02] <clivejo> gimme a sec
[20:02] <sgclark> k
[20:03] <clivejo> and ovidiu-florin send me a podcast link!
[20:03]  * sgclark is watching
[20:03] <clivejo> got a link??
[20:03] <clivejo> Im missing it!
[20:03] <sgclark> on my phone :(
[20:04] <sgclark> google search Kubuntu podcast?
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> https://youtu.be/oMimKAPRxyM
[20:09] <clivejo> sgclark: what happened akonadi?
[20:10] <sgclark> what do you mean?
[20:10] <clivejo> it was green, now i386 has gone red :/
[20:10] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[20:11] <sgclark> build-essential but it is not going to be installed uh. that is not me!! upstream hiccup? trying rebuild.
[20:12] <clivejo> weird!
[20:12] <sgclark> yeah build-essential is a bit essential haha
[20:46] <clivejo> has anyone been brave enough to add the apps staging PPA?
[20:52] <clivejo> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/9289629
[20:52]  * clivejo dances!!
[20:52] <sgclark> woohoo
[20:53] <clivejo> and akonadi is green too :)
[20:54] <clivejo> do you know whats up with kdesdk-kioslaves ?
[20:54] <clivejo> link - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/8934114
[20:55] <sgclark> clivejo:  ftbfs deleting it
[20:55] <sgclark> clivejo: do you know how to do kde-l10n?
[20:55] <mamarley> clivejo: You asked earlier about the apps staging PPA, I am using it.
[20:55] <clivejo> mamarley: how you getting on with it?
[20:56] <mamarley> clivejo: I haven't had any big issues.  gwenview is currently un-installable though.
[20:56] <mamarley> That is the only thing I have noticed.  I don't use pim or akonadi though.
[20:56] <sgclark> mamarley: that sounds important, can you paste a log?
[20:57] <mamarley> Sure, one sec.
[20:57] <sgclark> thanks
[20:57] <soee> sgclark: is all as i wrote in the comment https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JDRichards/posts/Ftih1UUL2Jk ?
[20:58] <mamarley> sgclark: https://paste.kde.org/pjkox3vz7
[20:59] <sgclark> soee: look good
[20:59] <sgclark> looks*
[20:59] <claydoh> clivejo: last I tried staging-applications, kdepim was borked. Is that working? I needs my kmail lol
[21:00] <clivejo> claydoh: it might still be borked
[21:00] <clivejo> looking for testers!
[21:00] <clivejo> I use it heavily and dont fancy risking it!
[21:01] <mamarley> That's what ppa-purge is for.
[21:01] <clivejo> mamarley: would you mind being a guinea pig?
[21:01] <mamarley> clivejo: For what?
[21:01] <clivejo> kontact
[21:01] <genii> "things" ;)
[21:01] <clivejo> see if it installs
[21:02] <claydoh> ppa-purge didn't work to fix the pim stuff, left bits behind I think had to dig out the new ones and uninstall, reinstall the previous
[21:02] <claydoh> clivejo: Im diving in  ow
[21:02] <claydoh> n ow
[21:02] <clivejo> akonadi is very fussy
[21:03] <mamarley> clivejo: There aren't any dependency conflicts, but I don't want to test actually installing it on this computer.
[21:03] <clivejo> even if you can ppa-purge, it can mess up email accounts and other settings
[21:03] <mamarley> Yeah, that's true.
[21:03] <clivejo> which I currently dont have time to fix
[21:03] <clivejo> I just feel lucky its working now!
[21:03] <claydoh> thats no big edeal for me, imap means I can just start fresh
[21:04] <clivejo> plus I use kolab
[21:04] <clivejo> and Ive had to disable it in this build 15.12.1
[21:14] <clivejo> claydoh: any feedback?
[21:14] <claydoh> not done downloading yet
[21:15] <clivejo> holding my breath over here!
[21:23] <claydoh> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a15.12.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[21:23] <claydoh>  trying to overwrite '/etc/xdg/korganizer.knsrc', which is also in package korganizer 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1
[21:23] <claydoh> easily fixed
[21:31] <claydoh> ok lots of these
[21:31] <sgclark> claydoh: can you pastebin them all, we need to fix them
[21:31] <claydoh> ok
[21:32] <sgclark> thanks!
[21:32] <clivejo> sgclark: can you teach me
[21:32] <sgclark> Breaks and Replaces? go look at my last few akonadi commits
[21:34] <claydoh> I stopped after a bit, too many
[21:34] <claydoh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15270077/
[21:35] <sgclark> only way we can find them is trial and error :( thanks for those though
[21:36] <clivejo> such a mess!
[21:37] <sgclark> yeah because they split the libs. thinking.
[21:38] <sgclark> hmm or is it. I am going to try in a vm, something is missing on that paste. but very helpful nonetheless.
[21:39] <sgclark> why would kmail have all those files.. is what I want to know
[21:47] <clivejo> so weird
[21:47] <clivejo> look at the build log - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/242561853/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kdepim_4%3A15.12.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:48] <clivejo> its installing it into both kmail and korganizer
[21:49] <clivejo> ah, wildcard in kmail.install
[21:49] <clivejo> etc/xdg
[21:52] <clivejo> need to remove that line
[21:52] <clivejo> sgclark: want me to do it?
[21:52] <sgclark> clivejo: sure, nice catch :)
[21:53] <Rick_Timmis> Packaging party !! -> https://plus.google.com/b/112102796730023795852/events/cvp1pmljbvron5tn4i0qcdo10ns
[21:53] <Rick_Timmis> please share this were ever you can
[21:54]  * sgclark shares
[21:54] <ahoneybun> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6/download.png
[21:54] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, ^
[21:59] <clivejo> sgclark: did you manage to get to bottom of gwenview problem?
[22:00] <sgclark> err no not yet, got distracted. It is red so I was starting there
[22:00] <clivejo> its green here - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[22:01] <sgclark> well yeah but it doesn't install I hear
[22:01] <clivejo> did you see mamarley paste - https://paste.kde.org/pjkox3vz7
[22:01] <sgclark> it is red in unstable
[22:01] <clivejo> any clues?
[22:02] <sgclark> well no not really.
[22:02] <sgclark> except wasnt ksnapshot removed?
[22:02] <clivejo> I cant see whats wrong with it :/
[22:03] <clivejo> its replaced
[22:03] <sgclark> repaced rather?
[22:03] <clivejo> with spectacle
[22:03] <sgclark> well that is the only thing that stands out. not sure how to fix, yofel? help!!
[22:04] <clivejo> debian are calling it kde-spectacle due to name conflict
[22:04] <yofel> the paste looks about right?
[22:04] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/9015831
[22:05] <sgclark> it does? so is the user suppose to pick 1? I don't know, I wouldnt expect a user to know
[22:06] <yofel> ksnapshot is qt4, thus uses old kipi. gwenview is qt5 now and uses new kipi. And it seems like the 2 kipi's aren't co-installable
[22:06] <yofel> so that's about the expected result
[22:07] <yofel> something *should* install kde-spectacle. Not sure what though
[22:07] <yofel> on a release scope I would solve it through the seed, which needs an update anyway
[22:08] <clivejo> whois <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:08] <sgclark> ok
[22:08] <sgclark> I dont know clivejo hah
[22:08] <clivejo> a spammer!
[22:08] <clivejo> sorry, wrong window
[22:09] <clivejo> didnt click into my email servers ssh window!
[22:09] <mamarley> Oh, sorry, so I should install "kde-spectacle" and remove "ksnapshot"?
[22:09] <clivejo> who ever they are they being added to my firewall!
[22:10] <sgclark> yeah mamarley
[22:10] <sgclark> we will have to fix seed on release
[22:11] <sgclark> thanks for finding that though :) , very important find for release.
[22:11] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/spectacle.git/plain/debian/control?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[22:11] <clivejo> should the control file not have a breaks ksnapshot?
[22:11] <mamarley> sgclark: OK, sorry for the false error report.
[22:12] <sgclark> it was not false at all. excellent find!
[22:12] <sgclark> mamarley: ^^
[22:12] <yofel> clivejo: what for? The appropriate breaks are in place already
[22:12] <clivejo> mamarley: we need to fix these, all very info is very useful
[22:12] <yofel> and AFAIK, it doesn't really break anything in the ksnapshot package
[22:13] <clivejo> what actually pulls in spectacle?
[22:13] <yofel> if anything, a Replaces for the keyboard shortcut file maybe? I don't remember if they're the same file
[22:13] <yofel> nothing probably
[22:13] <yofel> right now
[22:14] <yofel> it should be a recommends of kubuntu-desktop eventually
[22:14] <sgclark> does gwenview?
[22:14] <sgclark> why did gwenview trigger a vbreak?
[22:14] <yofel> kipi
[22:15] <clivejo> kio-extras?
[22:15] <sgclark> oh right makes sense
[22:15] <sgclark> nah needed new kipi and snapshot depended on the kipi installed
[22:15] <sgclark> makes sense
[22:16] <sgclark> so snapshot needs to be removed on anything that depends on new kipi.. somehow  I dont know how to pull that off
[22:16] <sgclark> or replaced with spectacle rather
[22:17] <yofel> kde-spectacle having a transitional ksnapshot package would be one idea. Would need a version override though
[22:17] <yofel> maxyz: how are you replacing it?
[22:18] <clivejo> with fire!
[22:21] <genii> !info kde-spectacle
[22:21] <genii> hm
[22:22] <clivejo> doesnt exist in xenial either!
[22:22] <clivejo> !info kde-spectacle xenial
[22:22] <clivejo> see :P
[22:30] <valorie> clivejo: thanks for the link to the FFe
[22:30] <valorie> I've subscribed and added a comment
[22:32] <clivejo> yofel: will you ship PIM with kolab disabled or not ship it at all?
[22:32] <yofel> considering the state it's in I would not upload kdepim* and akonadi* at all
[22:33] <yofel> otherwise you know more about it then I do, what's your opinion on it?
[22:34] <clivejo> Im not sure, personally with kolab disabled its of no use to me.  But for others I think disabled is better than nothing
[22:35] <clivejo> some people are experiencing crashed with archive version
[22:35] <clivejo> 15.08 I think it is
[22:35] <sgclark> yeah that one is broken
[22:36] <sgclark> if we can get it in without kolab and add kolab back in on point release I think that is better than nothing
[22:36] <sgclark> clivejo: were you able to fix that install file?
[22:36] <clivejo> kmail.install yes
[22:36] <clivejo> rebuilding now
[22:37] <sgclark> cool thanks, need to test that
[22:37] <clivejo> the gwenview issue, I have no idea what is even wrong
[22:37] <sgclark> then I will make a final test call tonight and add results to Ffe
[22:38] <clivejo> :)
[22:38]  * clivejo fingers crossed
[22:39] <sgclark> gwenview itself is not broken. kipi is not coinstallable with its qt4 versio which in turn break ksnapshot, which really should be replaced with kde-spectacle
[22:39] <sgclark> wow that is a mouthful haha
[22:39] <clivejo> say that fast with a gobble stopper :P
[22:39] <sgclark> lol
[22:39] <clivejo> gobb
[22:40] <sgclark> question is though is that enough to stop an ffe from going through?
[22:42] <yofel> is kde-spectacle listed in the FFE? In general, it shouldn't stop it
[22:42] <sgclark> it is
[22:55] <clivejo> anyone shed any light on why this is failing - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/245143734/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kwin_4%3A5.5.4+git20160302.2113+16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:57] <sgclark> class KWayland::Server::SeatInterface' has no member named 'isDragPointer'
[22:58] <sgclark> perhaps it needs new kwayland?
[22:58] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwayland/
[22:58] <clivejo> wayland is green
[22:59] <clivejo> seems to be building ok
[22:59]  * sgclark looks if green upstream
[23:00] <sgclark> well unstable. but that is not it
[23:00] <sgclark> got me!
[23:00] <clivejo> me too
[23:00] <sgclark> maybe wayland itself is too old?
[23:00] <clivejo> Im just checking that
[23:01] <sgclark> lol cool
[23:01] <clivejo> building kwayland-dev_5.5.4+git20160302.0141+16.04-0_amd64.deb
[23:06] <clivejo> kdepim has built, but I have missed two files
[23:06] <clivejo> if I upload the fix now, will it affect the publishing?
[23:07] <sgclark> publishing?
[23:07] <sgclark> the fix needs to be put in regardless
[23:08] <clivejo> it takes over an hour to build
[23:09] <clivejo> will I just go ahead and upload to LP?
[23:10] <sgclark> yes please
[23:10] <clivejo> done
[23:11] <clivejo> the previous package, if it gets published should resolve those errors claydoh seeing
[23:12] <sgclark> eek
[23:12] <clivejo> the new kdepim is very broken!
[23:13] <clivejo> lots of libs migrated out to akonadi
[23:13] <sgclark> stable should not be affected by that though
[23:14] <sgclark> patch failed
[23:14] <clivejo> LOl stable has been broken for months!
[23:15] <sgclark> oy
[23:15] <clivejo> PIM is like a black magic
[23:16] <sgclark> hmm stable should match what is in staging. something is surely amiss
[23:18] <sgclark> though I agree is pim is the reason for my nightmares every night.
[23:22] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to sgclark
[23:22] <valorie> I can lend my teddybear if that will help!
[23:27]  * genii breaks out the whiskey
[23:27] <sgclark> all stuffed animals accepted
[23:28] <clivejo> Ill have a whiskey please!
[23:28] <sgclark> o i c commits to Applications/15.12 because they are about to release another point release
[23:28] <sgclark> oh well.
[23:28] <sgclark> we need what we have in archive first.
[23:28]  * genii slides clivejo a double, neat
[23:29] <sgclark> I am not about to do another Ffe
[23:29] <clivejo> thankyou!
[23:29] <genii> No problemmo
[23:29] <sgclark> hah whiskey makes me more crazy than normal
[23:30] <valorie> crazy is sometimes good
[23:30] <valorie> not sure about in packaging though@
[23:30] <valorie> !
[23:30] <sgclark> lol
[23:31] <sgclark> could make for an interesting release.
[23:31] <genii> My boss gets me a bottle of Jamesons or Glenfiddich every year, I put them in the bottom drawer of my filing cabinet
[23:31] <sgclark> nice! I want a boss like that
[23:31] <clivejo> can we have Konqi with a bottle of whiskey in his hand, in a jolly state?
[23:31] <sgclark> or any boss really.
[23:32] <clivejo> as Senials wallpaper?
[23:32] <genii> BTW I can do a little testing Friday
[23:33] <sgclark> ccool, we like testers
[23:33] <sgclark> more the merrier
[23:36]  * clivejo kicks kci
[23:38] <clivejo> maybe it needs libhybris?
[23:38] <clivejo> !info libhybris-dev xenial
[23:57] <clivejo> I give up!


[09:33] <pragomer> hello. I cannot find a keyboard shortcut in xubuntu 14.04 for minimizing the window. I can edit all other shortcuts like moving / snapping / maximizing... but I do not find minimizing.. is this a bug?
[09:36] <Lachezar> Hey all. I just upgraded to Xubuntu 15.04, and I can not log-in. X boots up, I can see the login window, but entering password X crashes and shows the login window again.
[09:37] <Unit193> !xhangs
[09:38] <Lachezar> .xsession-errors has something about 'upstart-event-bridge main process ended, respawning' then 'update-notifier-crash...'  and then 'startxfce4 main ... TERM ...`
[09:38] <Lachezar> Unit193: I'm currently in text console.
[09:39] <Lachezar> Unit193: removing .Xauthority* and .ICEauthority has no effect: can't log in still.
[09:41] <Lachezar> And I have a /var/crash/_usr_bin_Xorg.0.crash file :(
[09:42] <Unit193> Niiice.  What's it tell you?
[09:42] <Lachezar> Unit193: That something is so screwy, and I'm screwed?
[09:42] <Unit193> Err, I meant with apport-cli
[09:42] <Lachezar> Unit193: Anything in particular I should be sifting for?
[09:43] <Unit193> Generally should have a summery.
[09:44] <Lachezar> Unit193: I did a 'sudo apport-cli ...' and then pressed V, and it started dumping dots.
[09:45] <Lachezar> Doh. No mouse, can't copy-paste in text mode... Something about: 'Error in usr/bin/X: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0000something
[09:46] <Unit193> Should be something to get in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or /var/log/lightdm/* as well, but alas I must flee.
[09:48] <Lachezar> Hm. Any way I can 'un-upgrade'?
[11:20] <Lachezar> Re! Got my Xubuntu 15.04 to log-in: had to manually (vim-fu) remove xfce4-sensors-plugin from the panel!
[11:20]  * Lachezar is disappointed, that the Desktop icons juggling bug is still around...
[12:03] <cfhowlett> g
[15:19] <xubuntudocking> I am having trouble doing something with xubuntu 14.04 and I don't know how to find the solution. Will I get help if start describing my problem?
[15:20] <xubuntudocking> On this channel I mean
[15:21] <knome> well at least you won't get help if you don't decribe the problem...
[15:21] <knome> +s
[15:23] <xubuntudocking> At work they have a docking station integrated into some philips 231p4u monitors. When I plug the USB for that into my laptop, the monitor says no video input and then nothing
[15:23] <xubuntudocking> I went to the manufacturers website for a driver, but they only support windows.
[15:23] <xubuntudocking> Their adds do tell me that there is plug and play for linux, whatever that means
[15:24] <xubuntudocking> I mean the adds for the philips 231p4u monitor
[15:25] <knome> have you looked at the display setup/settings dialog after plugging in?
[15:26] <xubuntudocking> I have checked the menu called display that one finds under settings display
[15:26] <xubuntudocking> it only detects the monitor in the laptop
[15:26] <xubuntudocking> not the monitor that is plugged in
[15:27] <xubuntudocking> But a mouse and keyboard that are connected to the monitor/dockingstation do work
[15:27] <xubuntudocking> but the display does not
[15:27] <holstein> if i cant find what im looking for in the xfce GUI, i'll try using the GUI tool arandr ..sometimes, its the same, but, i find sometimes thats the "easy" way to implement something im having a challenge with
[15:28] <holstein> there can sometimes be shortcut function keys, as well, on the hardware.. i'll try them, and see if i can simply get the display mirroring..
[15:32] <xubuntudocking> If you are giving me advice holstein, then I don't fully understand it. Should I try downloading arandr and see if that does anything for me? As to the keys on the hardware, I tried pressing all the buttons on the monitor. Nothing interesting happened.
[15:33] <holstein> !info arandr
[15:33] <holstein> sometimes, i find, installing and trying the arandr gui facilitates me applying settings i cant find in other GUI tools
[15:34] <xubuntudocking> apt getting it now
[15:34] <holstein> its quite small, and in the default repos.. and literally shouldnt hurt to try it.. if that doesnt work, then, i will try looking for specifics about my GPU hardware.. seeing if there are any proprietary drivers available.. etc
[15:36] <xubuntudocking> what would it look like if arandr detected two extra monitors?
[15:37] <holstein> xubuntudocking: you have the internal, correct? and another monitor hooked up via VGA, from a laptop? correct?
[15:37] <xubuntudocking> no the external monitor is connected over USB
[15:37] <holstein> xubuntudocking: i would remove that from the euqation, for now, and just learn to implement dual head, in dependently of that hardware
[15:38] <holstein> could be, that USB device doesnt support linux, and may not work well, or easily..
[15:38] <holstein> xubuntudocking: has the USB device ever worked for you in a linux system? that can be helpful.. in seeing what supports the hardware..
[15:39] <xubuntudocking> it sort of works right now. A keyboard is connected to one monitor and a mouse to the other. Those things work. Just the monitors don't
[15:39] <xubuntudocking> They never have either.
[15:40] <holstein> could be a USB hub passing those devices through, somehow..
[15:41] <xubuntudocking> when I turn one of the monitors off, or disconnect one monitor from the other, both the mouse and the keyboard stop working
[15:41] <holstein> supports the "hub" theory..
[15:44] <ochosi> xubuntudocking: from what i know the "display over usb" support in the linux kernel isnt all too great yet
[15:44] <ochosi> i.e. not working for a lot of hardware
[15:44] <holstein> ive never had it "just work".. or, been able to make it work
[15:44] <ochosi> so the only solution might be to google and see whether others have made it work
[15:45] <xubuntudocking> what might I google though.
[15:45] <xubuntudocking> When I look for the monitor name and driver I only get things for windows
[15:45] <holstein> the model # and "linux" or "ubuntu"..
[15:46] <holstein> the company likely, as you have found, doenst create, or supply a driver.. so, looking for "model # driver" likely wont help
[15:49] <xubuntudocking> All I find are copies of the product information which says that there is plug and play support for linux
[15:51] <holstein> xubuntudocking: you can share that here, if you think that would be helpful.. or ask the creators of the hardware about the linux support
[15:52] <holstein> in many cases, they *will* provide support, but, maybe its for an older version of the kernel.. 12.04 ubuntu, for example.. maybe a volunteer can help find that information, if you share more about it, or the specific documentataion
[15:55] <xubuntudocking> I am willing to share information, but I don't know what you're looking for
[15:55] <holstein> xubuntudocking: any relevant information from the creators of the hardware.. if you say, "they promise linux support" share that documentation.. could be, someone can assist with the paramaters of that support
[15:56] <holstein> you are plugging  and playing it, in linux, and its not working.. so, we can start there.. *what* is not working.. and what makes you think it should, specifically..
[15:58] <xubuntudocking> on the product page made by philips there is a pdf of a manual
[15:58] <xubuntudocking> here http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/cpindex.pl?ctn=231P4UPES/00&hlt=Link_Overview&scy=AA&slg=AEN
[15:59] <xubuntudocking> in that pdf on page 31 under convenience it says Plug & Play connectivity DDC/CI, sRGB, Windows 8/7/Vista/XP, Mac OSX, Linux
[15:59] <xubuntudocking> in said manual
[16:00] <xubuntudocking> then this is repeated in nearly the same wording on page 50 in the general FAQ
[16:01] <xubuntudocking> sorry not quite the right link the pdf manual is here http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/2/231p4upes_00/231p4upes_00_dfu_aen.pdf
[16:01] <knome> xubuntudocking, then i guess you should connect philips and ask what they mean...
[16:01]  * knome grins
[16:01] <holstein> ideally, they would provide details..
[16:01] <knome> if it doesn't work out-of-the-box, then it hasn't got plug and play
[16:01] <knome> whatever the manual said
[16:02] <xubuntudocking> The mouse and keyboard are plug and play through the monitor....
[16:03] <holstein> doesnt imply "plug and play" with any of the others in the list, since, there are drivers at the site
[16:03] <holstein> was it "plug and play" with windows?
[16:04] <knome> xubuntudocking, as been told, stuff plugged in the monitor doesn't mean the monitor should work
[16:04] <holstein> anyways, can you remove things from the scneario, xubuntudocking ? can you remove any hubs, etc.. and plug *one* monitor right into the USB of the xubuntu machine? directly?
[16:04] <knome> xubuntudocking, but i guess you can keep insisting that it should work before other stuff work
[16:04] <knome> xubuntudocking, but... i doubt it magically will, even if you insisted for a year
[16:06] <xubuntudocking> I know it works for windows laptops. Maybe tomorrow I can try more, I could bring one of those blue monitor cables and see what happens with one of those.
[16:06] <holstein> xubuntudocking: sure.. it *works* with windows.. but, was a driver needed? anyways, thats just to look at what the company implies with the term "plug and play"..
[16:07] <holstein> xubuntudocking: the VGA cable will likely "just work" if thats an option.. though, you should also try bypassing the docking station..
[16:07] <xubuntudocking> I think my buddy still needed to download a driver, even for windows
[16:07] <holstein> seems like, you have a lot of things plugged into a HUB of sorts, and that HUB could be what is not working in linux..
[16:08] <xubuntudocking> I don't know for sure there is a dockingstation. I think you plug everything into the monitors
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntudocking: try unplugging *everything* else.. and only taking a USB cord from *one* monitor directly to the USB on the linux machine
[16:09] <xubuntudocking> mouse and keyboard stopped working
[16:10] <xubuntudocking> the monitor that still has all its plugs says check cable connection
[16:10] <holstein> right.. they are not physically connecting to the machine, any longer.. correct?
[16:10] <holstein> so, thats expected..
[16:10] <xubuntudocking> the one plugged into my laptop through usb does nothing
[16:11] <holstein> i would expect to look in the GUI, at least, and enable the monitor
[16:11] <xubuntudocking> says no video input
[16:11] <xubuntudocking> enters sleep mode
[16:11] <holstein> so, its not "plug and play" then, at least in that regard.. you can look in the GUI and try and enable it. and look and see if the unit is showing up anywhere in the system.. lsusb for example
[16:12] <holstein> if its not "plug and play" in windows, as promised in the manual, it may not be plug and play in linux, either
[16:17] <xubuntudocking> well thank you guys. I think I'll send an email to the company and see if their costumer support is better than their manual
[16:17] <xubuntudocking> There is always hope right :D
[16:17] <xubuntudocking> You were really great reacting so quickly to all my questions
[16:18] <holstein> xubuntudocking: good luck.. the blue VGA cable should work easily.. and, you can use the USB hub for the mouse and keyboard..
[16:20] <holstein> xubuntudocking: i read, VGA vs USB settings in the manual for the hardware
[16:20] <holstein> could be, you have it set for VGA.. etc..
[20:38] <suncokret> is xubuntu 15.04 with systemd?
[20:38] <brainwash_> yes
[20:38] <suncokret> is systemd open source software?
[20:38] <brainwash_> yes
[20:38] <suncokret> why much people don't like systemd?
[20:39] <suncokret> why is systemd better or worst than previous?
[20:39] <brainwash_> because it's more than just an init system -> "bloated" piece of software
[20:40] <brainwash_> but it makes maintaining the system easier
[20:41] <suncokret> bloated mean that use more resources because it have too much operations?
[20:41] <brainwash_> but that's offtopic. use your favorite web search engine and read the pro and contra arguments
[20:42] <suncokret> thank you
[20:42] <suncokret> tell me just do you prefer systemd or not?
[20:43] <brainwash_> I do (somewhat), it's the default choice among many distros now
[20:44] <suncokret> i know, i will use 14.04, it have support for about 2 years more ant it is without systemd
[20:44] <suncokret> *and
[20:44] <suncokret> thank you
[20:46] <brainwash_> :)


[02:21]  * hazmat looks wwitzel3's state services branch
[09:19] <schegi> jamespage?
[09:48] <jamespage> schegi, hello!
[09:51] <schegi> hi got two question. you mentioned that you fixed somthing related to the missing zap with ceph. i updated your network-slpit charms but they are still up to date. have you commited?
[09:52] <schegi> second. i got problems to deploy the checked-out network-split version of cinder and cinder-ceph. he does not recongnize them as charm if i want to deploy them from local repo. is there something missing in the charm??
[09:56] <schegi> And i have some strange behavious related to the hacluster charms. when i deploy it like it is described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA or change to go for the percona-cluster charm (doent matter). the deployment works fine very service is up and running, no hook fails, BUT if i log in to one of the machines and check the corosync/pacemaker cluster by crm_mon or crm status it seems to me that the single services are r
[09:57] <schegi> but it looks like they are not connected. i am no corosync pacemaker pro. but i know from an manual deployment taht all nodes in the cluster should appear in the output of crm status and they didnt.
[09:59] <jamespage> schegi, rev 84 in ceph contains the proposed fix
[10:00] <jamespage> schegi, you have multicast enabled on your network right?
[10:00] <jamespage> (re the hacluster issue)
[10:01] <jamespage> schegi, cinder and cinder-ceph should be OK - do you get a specific error message?
[10:02] <schegi> currently rebootstrapping but if i do something like juju deploy --repository /usr/share/custom-charms/ --to 0 --config ~/juju-configs/cinder.yaml local:cinder i get some charm not found message
[10:02] <schegi> doning the same with ceph works fine
[10:09] <schegi> ok first problem was my fault, just using bzr to rarely. tried update but had to pull. :) (still using too much svn)
[10:10] <schegi> jamespage, here is the error message i get ERROR charm not found in "/usr/share/custom-charms/": local:trusty/cinder
[10:11] <schegi> trying to do juju deploy --repository /usr/share/custom-charms/ --to 0 --config ~/juju-configs/cinder.yaml local:trusty/cinder or juju deploy --repository /usr/share/custom-charms/ --to 0 --config ~/juju-configs/cinder.yaml local:cinder
[10:11] <jamespage> schegi, dumb question but it is under a trusty subfolder right?
[10:12] <schegi> all the charms are there and for all the others it works perfectly
[10:12] <schegi> could do the same line just replacing cinder with ceoh and it deploys ceph.
[10:12] <schegi> away for 20 mins brb
[10:16] <g0d_51gm4> hello guys, my situation is the following: i've an vMaaS environment with 3 vm node and a juju environment. I've deployed juju-gui on vm node 1 and openstack on the other 2 nodes. now I'd like to add other 3 vm nodes and use them to deploy hadoop master plus a slave and cassandra but i've a doubt is it necessary to create another juju environment to dedicate to that? thanks..
[10:22] <g0d_51gm4> the error is the following http://paste.ubuntu.com/7813669/ while if i specify the node obtain that error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7813674/
[10:33] <g0d_51gm4> is there  anyone can support me to resolve that? thanks
[10:43] <schegi> jamespage, back
[10:44] <jamespage> schegi, great
[10:51] <schegi> jamespage, ok checked it twice. path is correct but still not able to deploy cinder from local repo
[11:04] <jamespage> schegi, testing myself now
[12:39] <g0d_51gm4> anyone can help me?
[13:37] <g0d_51gm4> please is there someone who can help me to resolve it?please
[13:38] <Sh3rl0ck> Hello..Has anyone observed ceph.conf being configured wrongly after deploying juju ceph charm?
[13:40] <Sh3rl0ck> The keyring values in the ceph.conf file seems to be incorrectly populated as it contains "$cluster.$name.keyring rather than actual values
[14:00] <ctlaugh> jamespage - I'm having an issue with the cinder charm on a single-drive system.  Would you be able to help?
[15:28] <jcastro> Hey everyone, so for a demo I want to launch a bundle into multiple environments
[15:28] <jcastro> I know I can do
[15:28] <jcastro> juju deploy blah
[15:28] <jcastro> juju switch
[15:28] <jcastro> juju deploy blah again
[15:28] <jcastro> Is there a way I can do `juju deploy this bundle into these environments` all at once? Not serially.
[15:31] <rick_h__> jcastro: I've not tried it but quickstart takes a -e flag
[15:32] <rick_h__> jcastro: so you could in theory run a bunch of quickstart commands backgrounded each with a diff -e?
[15:32] <jcastro> yeah, but then I am concerned that they will step on each other
[15:32] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, that's the untested part
[15:33] <jcastro> hmm, actually, as long as I don't switch while they are launching ....
[15:33] <jcastro> that _should_ work
[15:33] <rick_h__> but I think it would work since once the script runs it's got all the config loaded.
[15:33] <jcastro> ok I will try that
[15:44] <Sh3rl0ck> Hello..has anyone used the ceph charm for ceph backend to cinder? Do we need to add a relation between Nova compute and Ceph?
[16:02] <jcastro> rick_h__, so that totally worked!
[16:04] <rick_h__> jcastro: woot!
[16:50] <Sh3rl0ck> Hello..has anyone used the ceph charm for ceph backend to cinder? Do we need to add a relation between Nova compute and Ceph?
[16:50] <jcastro> hey sinzui
[16:50] <jcastro> I am having some issues with juju on joyent
[16:51] <jcastro> it bootstraps, and deploys the gui
[16:51] <sinzui> yeah you see that too
[16:51] <jcastro> but subsequent deploys are waiting on the machine
[16:51] <sinzui> jcastro, Exactly what CI sees
[16:51] <jcastro> but oddly enough, juju just returns "pending" and continues on with life
[16:51] <jcastro> oh whew! so not crazy!
[16:52] <sinzui> jcastro, I manually deleted all the machines in our joyent account this morning to fix a test that was failing
[16:52] <sarnold> Sh3rl0ck: note also http://manage.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/cinder-ceph
[16:52] <jcastro> sinzui, I have one more issue with hp cloud
[16:52] <jcastro> do you have a network config to put into their horizon console to make juju work?
[16:53] <sinzui> jcastro, This is an old problem that happens, but Juju might be partially to blame. I often see stopped machines instead of deleted machines. My api calls also fail to delete, so maybe joyent is at fault
[16:54] <sinzui> jcastro, creating one network is enough to make juju work in new Hp. New accounts get a default network, but migrated accounts may need to add one, just accept the recommended settings
[16:54] <jcastro> yeah I tried that but no joy, I'll give it another shot
[16:54] <jcastro> good to know I wasn't going crazy wrt joyent though
[16:55] <sinzui> jcastro, I wrote this a few weeks ago. HP has been lovely since then. http://curtis.hovey.name/2014/06/12/migrating-juju-to-hp-clouds-horizon/
[16:55] <Sh3rl0ck> sarnold: Thanks for link. I actually tried out cinder-ceph charm as well but seems like its required only if you want multi-backend support for Cinder
[16:55]  * sinzui reads hp network config
[16:55] <jcastro> thanks, I'll try that
[16:55] <jcastro> <-- lunch, bbl
[16:55] <Sh3rl0ck> But not sure ceph charm needs to be connected to nova-compute
[16:56] <Sh3rl0ck> Also, does anyone know if there is a way to add netapp backend to Cinder? Is there a separate charm for this?
[16:56] <sinzui> jcastro, CI has "default  default <IP_ADDRESS>/24  No	ACTIVE	UP"
[16:57] <sinzui> jcastro, charm-testing is similar, the only difference is "default" is a string that tells me Antonio named it
[17:13] <sebas5384> if an agent of a machine is down
[17:13] <sebas5384> what can I do?
[17:14] <sebas5384> agent-state: down
[17:14] <sebas5384> agent-state-info: (started)
[17:28] <sinzui> sebas5384, There are a few things to do after you ssh into the machine with the down agent
[17:28] <sinzui> sebas5384, get a listing of the procs: this will show both the machine and the unit agents ps ax | grep jujud
[17:29] <sinzui> sebas5384, sudo kill -HUP <pid> will restart a stalled agent
[17:30] <sebas5384> sinzui: there's only the 0 machine running
[17:31] <sinzui> okay, that lead to starting the unit.  jujud are under upstart, but uniquely named. We need to learn the name: ls /etc/init/jujud-*
[17:32] <sinzui> sebas5384, you can run something like this: sudo start jujud-unit-arm64-slave-0
[17:33] <sebas5384> hmmm sinzui yeah! I did a restart of the agent
[17:33] <sebas5384> because the jujud init isn't there
[17:34] <sinzui> oh
[17:34] <sinzui> sebas5384, that implies the service didn't complete installation
[17:35] <sebas5384> ls /etc/init | grep juju
[17:35] <sebas5384> juju-agent-devop-local.conf
[17:35] <sebas5384> juju-db-devop-local.conf
[17:35] <sinzui> but the status you reported says it was there
[17:36] <sebas5384> hmmm so it should be there
[17:36] <sebas5384> this one is really tricky
[17:36] <sinzui> sebas5384, right those are the machine and db procs that comprise the state server commonly on a machine 0. DId you deploy a service
[17:37] <sebas5384> sinzui: i'm using the cloud-installer
[17:38] <sebas5384> that tries to deploy a bunch of services of openstack into one nested container into a kvm
[17:38] <sinzui> sebas5384, is the first time on that machine that use used it? lxc needs to build a template first, and that is slow. After the first time, it gets fast
[17:38] <sinzui> ah kvm, not template
[17:38] <sebas5384> yeah
[17:38] <sebas5384> hehe
[17:40] <sinzui> sebas5384, I don't have much experience with cloud installer. the agent you want to start/restart will be in the container, kvm or lxc. your local host only gets the state-server in this case
[17:41] <sebas5384> sinzui: right
[17:41] <sinzui> sebas5384, in my example, I sshed to the machine the agent was down in, then restarted the proc (2 weeks ago actually, that example was from my histor)
[17:42] <sebas5384> but because i can't ssh into the machine
[17:42] <sebas5384> so i'm a bit into a limbo
[17:42] <sebas5384> hehe
[17:42] <sinzui> sebas5384, "juju ssh" will work regardless of the state of the agent, and that is a wrapper for real ssh
[17:43] <sebas5384> ok, but is like the machine isn't started
[17:43] <sebas5384> but when i do juju status, its saying that it is
[17:44] <sebas5384> other thing i went to the virsh console to see the kvm machines
[17:44] <sinzui> sebas5384, well that is a different matter. kvm provisioning is slow or something else has gone amiss.
[17:44] <sebas5384> yeah, I think something else happen here
[17:46] <sinzui> stokachu, do you have any cloud-installer experience that might help sebas5384
[17:47] <stokachu> sinzui, yea im working with him to figure out whats happening
[17:49] <sebas5384> thanks sinzui and stokachu !! :)
[17:49] <sebas5384> so i restarted the machine by the virsh console
[17:49] <sebas5384> and it seems to worked
[17:49] <sebas5384> now im into the machine
[17:50] <sebas5384> holly molly!!
[17:50] <sebas5384> its all installing now
[20:29] <shiv> trying to deploy openstack HA on physical servers...anyone see issues while deploying on physical servers....Mysql hook failing with cinder...this is the error: shared-db-relation-changed 2014-07-18 20:22:28.637 28128 CRITICAL cinder [-] OperationalError: (OperationalError) (1130, "Host '4-4-1-95.cisco.com' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server") None None
[20:30] <shiv> here is the stack trace
[20:30] <shiv> http://pastebin.com/DRKfi4d1
[20:30] <shiv> <IP_ADDRESS> is the VIP for the for the cinder


[11:39] <RikMills> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/708661
[12:10] <RikMills> unlikely I will be uploading new plasma, frameworks, gear or anything much else to noble until that is fixed. things would just get stuck in proposed indefinitely
[12:20] <mamarley> That sucks.  I'm sorry you have to put up with that.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Quick update: the current ACL for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been updated to include only these four people: RikMills santa_ Eickmeyer and myself.
[19:52] <tsimonq2> If that ever needs to be changed, it's safe to say you should probably contact RikMills.
[19:53] <tsimonq2> santa_: I PMed you the current SSH pubkey that exists for you, could you please confirm it is accurate at your convenience? :)


[06:34] <sadmac> Keybuk: autotools question for you
[06:35] <Keybuk> sure
[06:36] <sadmac> Keybuk: error: ‘PACKAGE_NAME’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[06:36] <sadmac> Keybuk: that's declared by automake typically, right? how does it get missed?
[06:36] <Keybuk> by Autoconf acutally
[06:37] <sadmac> Keybuk: the process I'm going through is main.strap.c is built into nih_parse_tool.strap, which is run on main.nihparse to make main.iter1.c, which is built into nih_parse_tool.iter1 ...
[06:38] <sadmac> Keybuk: the strap version builds. the iter1 version fails on that. The main functions between the two are nigh identical.
[06:39] <sadmac> iter1 is set up just like strap in Makefile.am. Only difference is the source doesn't exist at first.
[06:41] <Keybuk> did you include config.h ?
[06:43] <sadmac> ... X(
[06:43] <Keybuk> C can be funny like that ;-)
[06:44] <sadmac> Keybuk: especially C inside of other syntaxes
[06:45] <sadmac> and especially inside of other custom syntaxes, and especially when that syntax is describing how to parse itself and the C is describing how to process it.


[00:03] <mup> Bug #1651602 changed: [2.1.1] MAAS has nvme0n1 set as boot disk, curtin fails <apport-collected> <cdo-qa> <cdo-qa-blocker> <ec2-images> <regression-release> <xenial> <MAAS:Invalid> <linux (Ubuntu):Invalid> <linux (Ubuntu Xenial):Confirmed for ddstreet> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1651602>
[01:03] <stormmore> it would be kinda interesting to see MaaS use IPMI instead of PXE/TFTP to that install but I totally get that since that would option would only be for a really small subset of instances in comparison
[01:24] <iggy> yeah, what work gains the most benefit... I can't even think how you'd load an OS strictly through a BMC/IPMI
[01:25] <iggy> or do you mean boot via ipmi (i.e. virtual cdrom/etc) and the install is like the current method?
[02:09] <stormmore> yeah
[04:20] <iggy> yeah, some flexibility in that area would be nice (ipxe is another nice option instead of dhcp/tftp)
[05:30] <stormmore> yeah but again that would be a subset of systems capable of doing it. although an increasing number


[14:40] <crankharder> any way I can tell uptstart to load init files in a given path?
[14:40] <crankharder> include directive of sorts
[14:43] <jodh> crankharder: what are you trying to achieve?
[14:44] <crankharder> I want puppet to set up and configure a directory full of init scripts
[14:44] <crankharder> I can't tell puppet to monitor /etc/init since it'll delete all the scripts that puppet doesn't own
[14:44] <crankharder> so if upstart monitored /etc/init/puppet just like /etc/init we'd be good to go
[14:45] <jodh> crankharder: it does
[14:45] <crankharder> heh, hmm. ok
[14:47] <crankharder> jodh: https://gist.github.com/crankharder/4fa79577333ca89bd546
[14:47] <crankharder> seems to not like that job
[14:52] <jodh> crankharder: What does 'init-checkconf <your_job>.conf' say?
[14:52] <crankharder> $ init-checkconf resque_worker_50.conf
[14:52] <crankharder> ERROR: file resque_worker_50.conf does not exist
[14:53] <jodh> crankharder: init-checkconf '/full/path/to/file.conf'
[14:56] <jodh> crankharder: your 'start on' should probably be 'start on runlevel [2345]' and your 'stop on' is currently wrong (unless you are emitting shutdown somewhere?) - it should be 'stop on runlevel [016]'.
[14:57] <jodh> crankharder: also, you don't need to do your own redirection/logging - upstart does it for you, logging all job output to /var/log/upstart/.
[14:57] <crankharder> had some perms issue, but now getting this:
[14:57] <crankharder> $ init-checkconf /etc/init/puppet/resque_worker_50.conf
[14:57] <crankharder> ERROR: failed to ask Upstart to check conf file
[14:57] <crankharder> /etc/init/puppet is 755 and the job is 744
[14:57] <crankharder> jodh: okay, those points may be fair -- but I have the same job (named differently) in /etc/init and it works
[14:58] <jodh> crankharder: what distro version is this?
[14:58] <crankharder> ubuntu 12.04
[14:59] <crankharder> I get this too:
[14:59] <crankharder> $ init-checkconf /etc/init/resque_worker_5.conf
[14:59] <crankharder> ERROR: failed to ask Upstart to check conf file
[14:59] <crankharder> for someone not in my nested path
[14:59] <crankharder> something
[15:01] <jodh> crankharder: copy the file to /tmp, ensure it is readable, then 'init-checkconf -d /tmp/foo.conf'
[15:01] <jodh> crankharder: if that still fails, I'm guessing you have a dbus issue - is dbus-launch available?
[15:04] <jodh> crankharder: your job can also use use 'setuid', 'setgid' and 'chdir' to simplify the main job to be just 'exec rake environment resque:work QUEUE=high,medium RAILS_ENV=production PIDFILE=/tmp/resque_worker_50.pid VERBOSE=1' I think.
[15:04] <jodh> crankharder: putting pid files in /tmp looks like a bad idea btw.
[15:06] <crankharder> yea, looks like dbus issues.  no, i dont have dbus-launch
[15:08] <crankharder> output here: https://gist.github.com/crankharder/1ee1e4cb50cc8353a3e4
[15:09] <crankharder> it's a bit weird init-checkconf doesn't work on scripts in /etc/init/ ? -- maybe this isn't the issue?
[15:20] <jodh> crankharder: maybe copy your job to a desktop system with a full dbus setup and run init-checkconf on it there. I wonder if you have any odd whitespace chars in that job - copied from windows maybe?
[15:21] <crankharder> so, testing on a more barebones ubuntu 12.04 isntance I have w/o my jobs in it... installing dbus-launch now
[15:21] <jodh> crankharder: another way to check the job without using init-checkconf is: sudo initctl log-priority debug;sudo touch /etc/init/foo.conf;sudo initctl log-priority message' and look at dmesg/syslog to see what messages upstart logged about foo.
[15:22] <crankharder> $ init-checkconf /etc/init/acpid.conf                                                                                │
[15:22] <crankharder> ERROR: failed to ask Upstart to check conf file
[15:22] <crankharder> -d shows samee waiting for dbus issues
[15:23] <jodh> crankharder: init-checkconf won't work unless dbus-launch works.
[15:24] <crankharder> not really familliar with dbus launch.  define works?  https://gist.github.com/crankharder/53351450db600a15252e
[15:26] <jodh> crankharder: let's forget init-checkconf - I've run it locally and your job as pasted is syntactically valid. I've given you another option above to syntax check anyway. I suspect the job on disk is not the same as pasted - it might contain '\r's or similar if you copied it from a windows machine maybe?
[15:27] <jodh> crankharder: try the technique above and see what upstart logs to the system log - it will tell you where it is failing to parse the job.
[15:29] <crankharder> okay, so i'm on a new system w/o my custom jobs and I still see the same issue.  It's not related to my custom job.
[15:29] <jodh> crankharder: which issue? the job or init-checkconf?
[15:29] <crankharder> https://gist.github.com/crankharder/cd04bcb4d80259ba58d3
[15:29] <jodh> crankharder: 'sudo status puppet/tty6'
[15:30] <crankharder> okay, that works
[15:32] <crankharder> unfortunately I see nothing in syslog or dmesg from this:  sudo initctl log-priority debug ; sudo touch  /etc/init/cron.conf ; sudo initctl log-priority message
[15:33] <jodh> crankharder: are you by chance running in a cloud environment that uses overlayfs?
[15:33] <crankharder> i'm running ubuntu in virtualbox... but i dont know what overlayfs is, so certainly didn't set tha tup
[15:34] <jodh> crankharder: mount|grep overlay
[15:34] <crankharder> nothing
[15:38] <crankharder> okay, I removed all my custom init scripts and moved tty6 into this puppet path.  giving my unknown job puppet/tty6 on this system (but it worked on the more barebones one)
[15:38] <jodh> crankharder: this makes no sense - your system sounds broken.
[15:39] <crankharder> /etc/init/puppet is 755 on both /etc/init/puppet/tty6.conf is 744 on both
[15:41] <crankharder> I can test this at different points as puppet sets up the system to see if that helps
[15:43] <crankharder> jodh: thanks for the help -- i'll post here if I can track down what change makes this break
[15:44] <jodh> crankharder: you said this job runs fine in /etc/init/ but not in /etc/init/puppet/ - is that now resolved now you know how to start a job in a sub-directory?
[15:45] <crankharder> the subdirectory thing works on a box that hasn't had all my puppet configs (lots of them) applied.  same version of ubuntu tho
[15:45] <crankharder> so I assume it's something puppet is configuring that's causing this
[15:48] <jodh> crankharder: I'd certainly make sure you have a pristine server environment available (ie no puppet) for testing the basic upstart jobs.
[17:04] <CharlieSu> I've got an UpStart task that I'd like to print a message to the console once run..  'start job' should produce something on the users screen..  How can I do this?  I've tried 'console output'
[17:07] <xnox> CharlieSu: at boot "console output" will print to the active console / boot messages. If run interractively it will print where-ever it's run.
[17:31] <CharlieSu> xnox: doesn't seem to be doing that for me..  I just use "logger 'message'" right?
[17:38] <xnox> CharlieSu: no, just do "echo"
[17:38] <xnox> logger will go whever logger logs, e.g. syslog.
[17:39] <xnox> CharlieSu: "console " stanza controls where job's stdout and stderr is redirected, default is "log" which is under /var/log/upstart/, "output" is to normal stdout and etc.


[03:00]  * pleia2 waves
[03:00] <pleia2> meeting time :)
[03:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[03:00] <pleia2> who all do we have here for the meeting?
[03:00] <eps> meh
[03:01] <jyo> o/
[03:01] <pleia2> alrighty
[03:01] <pleia2> only thing on the agenda is scale :)
[03:01] <rww> o/
[03:02] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale12x
[03:02] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale12x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:02] <pleia2> #topic SCaLE12x
[03:02] <pleia2> 2 weeks away, woo
[03:03] <eps> Are we doing this thing? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects still shows its status as "Proposed"
[03:03] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:03] <pleia2> lol
[03:03] <eps> ...and Philip still hasn't sent me registration information
[03:04] <pleia2> weird, he sent it to others
[03:04] <rww> reminds me, I need to get mine changed over to the shiny free one
[03:04] <pleia2> I'll send an email and loop you in
[03:04] <rww> also I don't think there was a spot for my gnupg key on the registration thing o.O
[03:05] <pleia2> should there be? :)
[03:06] <rww> yes
[03:06] <pleia2> eps: so re: candy, at this point I'm thinking M&Ms
[03:07] <eps> rww: Is this for the Key Signing Party? http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale12x/pgp-key-signing-party
[03:07] <darthrobot> Title: [PGP Key Signing Party | SCALE 12x]
[03:07] <rww> eps: yes
[03:08] <pleia2> ah
[03:09] <pleia2> not sure we have anything else to talk about really
[03:10] <pleia2> I did have a fellow from the AZ team mention they'd be happy to take any 12.04 leftover CDs off our hands at the end of the event
[03:11] <pleia2> and jose from peru will be helping us with the booth!
[03:11] <jose> o/
[03:11] <rww> o/ jose
[03:11] <jose> hey rww! going too?
[03:12] <pleia2> philip said he'd be a few minutes later for this meetnig, might just wait for him to join us and see if there's anything else he wants to talk about
[03:12] <rww> jose: yep :)
[03:12] <jose> awesome
[03:15] <rww> philip's coming online now
[03:15] <rww> much psychic
[03:15] <pleia2> philipballew: about to wrap up un-noteworthy meeting item about scale, anything you wanted to add/announce/etc?
[03:17] <pleia2> rww: I remain unconvinced :)
[03:20] <jose> whoops, he's pinging timeout
[03:21] <pleia2> flooding actually
[03:21] <pleia2> not sure what that's about
[03:22] <rww> client probably doesn't have rate control set up properly, so automatic /who or something is breaking it
[03:22] <pleia2> yeah
[03:23] <pleia2> fun times
[03:23] <rww> yep
[03:23] <pleia2> ok, we'll move on and hopefully he'll get sorted ;)
[03:23] <rww> i've flooded out once that I can remember, but that was freenode's fault :3
[03:23] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[03:23] <eps> Ubuntu Hours?
[03:24] <pleia2> there was one today in Berkeley, hope that went well :)
[03:24] <pleia2> coming up this wednesday we're having one in San Francisco: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2682-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[03:24] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:24] <pleia2> also a debian dinner after
[03:24] <jyo> So hard to support local businesses... but hey, Starbucks stars. ;)
[03:24] <ianorlin> both are too far away for me to attened being in Torrance
[03:25] <pleia2> ianorlin: Pasadena has them sometimes
[03:25] <pleia2> I think that's currently the closest one to you
[03:25] <pleia2> philipb: did you have anything to talk about re: scale?
[03:25] <philipballew> oh hey there
[03:26] <philipballew> pleia2, email sent
[03:26] <philipb> not so far. I will send out a reminder email to everyone at the end of the week
[03:26] <pleia2> thanks
[03:26] <philipb> the conf pack will be here in a few days.
[03:26] <pleia2> from Canonical?
[03:26] <philipb> yes
[03:26] <pleia2> great
[03:26] <philipb> :)
[03:27] <rww> is the debian dinner going to involve repeated voting over what to eat
[03:27] <pleia2> hahah
[03:28] <rww> (also: i will be there unless work is more tiring than usual)
[03:28] <pleia2> yay
[03:28] <pleia2> ok, anyone have anything else?
[03:30] <rww> we should probably start thinking soon about 14.04 release
[03:30] <rww> like, not this meeting, but soon
[03:30] <pleia2> good idea, I'll add it to the agenda for the next meeting
[03:30] <eps> We're still basking in the glow of 12.04.4 LTS.
[03:31]  * ianorlin is already testing 14.04 for lubuntu
[03:31] <pleia2> which will be on March 9, since we're skipping the everyone-coming-home-from-scale night
[03:31] <rww> and there's a global jam coming up, so if anyone is interested in that it'd be something to look into
[03:31] <pleia2> rww: have the details handy?
[03:31] <rww> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2656/
[03:31] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Global Jam | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:31] <rww> it's a weekend, Fri, 04 April 2014 to Sun, 06 April 2014
[03:32] <pleia2> cool
[03:32] <rww> I don't have much to contribute for that, but if someone's been looking for an event idea, there's one
[03:33] <pleia2> it's so close to release
[03:33] <rww> indeed, timing's a bit odd, since anything fixed there (bugs or what not) won't be in 14.04
[03:33] <pleia2> yeah
[03:34] <pleia2> trying to think of things to do, but that's even too late for documentation review
[03:34] <rww> marketing material creation, I guess
[03:34] <rww> Ubuntu Touch or other stuff that isn't production ready and has ongoing work
[03:34] <pleia2> yeah, there's always that :)
[03:34]  * pleia2 nods
[03:35] <eps> Could someone please update the "Current Ubuntu Release" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam to something that hasn't already been EOLed?
[03:35] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:35] <rww> eps: I'm going to go through and update the wiki Sometime Soon
[03:35] <pleia2> eps: still no luck logging in to the wiki? :(
[03:35] <rww> since there are a few things like that
[03:35] <pleia2> we do still struggle to keep that updated, it's tough
[03:35] <eps> It still wasn't working as of the last time I tried, which was about a week ago.
[03:36] <pleia2> in this particular case I think we should think about dropping that "current release" thing because it's a bit of a random thing for a loco to mention
[03:36] <rww> agreed
[03:36] <pleia2> thanks for having that on your list, rww :)
[03:36] <rww> pleia2: are you still handling paperwork? team reports and what not?
[03:37]  * rww has "look into what leadership is supposed to be doing" on the list somewhere too
[03:38] <pleia2> rww: january reports are on my todo list ;) but generally yes
[03:38] <pleia2> help is appreciated always
[03:38] <pleia2> leadership mostly just makes sure we have meetings and that people are kept informed/on track
[03:39] <rww> ah, okay. I'm not missing anything then
[03:39]  * eps has gone off the rails :-(
[03:40] <pleia2> heh
[03:40] <pleia2> alright, time to wrap up?
[03:40]  * rww nods
[03:40] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[03:40] <pleia2> see you at scale!
[03:40] <pleia2> (or at sf ubuntu hour :))
[03:40] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[03:40] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Feb 10 03:40:50 2014 UTC.
[03:40] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-02-10-03.00.moin.txt
[04:01] <rww> Do we have a Google+ thing?
[04:01] <rww> oh, we do. last updated 2012
[04:01] <rww> who maintains the Google+ thing
[04:02] <pleia2> no one :)
[04:02] <rww> who has access to the Google+ thing
[04:02] <pleia2> but I have admin on it
[04:02] <rww> o
[04:02] <rww> can I have admin on it?
[04:02] <pleia2> yep
[04:04] <pleia2> what the email address you have associated w/ that account? I can't search to add you by name because G+ has a terrible search
[04:05] <rww> PMed (because public logs and spam)
[04:05] <pleia2> thanks, invited you as a manager
[04:08] <rww> odd, no notification or anything
[04:09] <pleia2> G+ also has terrible notifications :)
[04:09] <pleia2> does show you as invited in the interface though
[04:10] <blitz> G+ is pretty horrible overall
[04:10] <rww> i like it :c
[04:10] <blitz> figures ;)
[04:10] <rww> it lets me keep up with the latest news on Ingress, Canonical, and Lennart Poettering
[04:12] <rww> oh, there it is
[04:12] <pleia2> got stuck in the tubes
[04:13] <blitz> push the poker chips out with some horses
[04:13] <rww> course I can't manage it yet, but I expect that'll fix itself eventually
[04:13] <rww> Pages feels a bit bolted-on
[04:13] <pleia2> I think it is
[04:15] <pleia2> ugh, I have a lot I should do tonight, but I think headache is wining
[04:15] <pleia2> winning too
[04:15] <pleia2> time to avoid laptop screen for a bit
[04:15] <ianorlin>  /buffer 11
[04:26] <rww> lol, our wiki notification list is a bit big
[04:27] <rww> oh, well, I spam some people I guess
[04:29] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Archive lol, think we can delete that?
[04:29] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Archive - Ubuntu Wiki]
[18:25] <bkerensa> Gareth: If you need help with anything next week I'm going to be arriving on Wednesday
[19:31] <Gareth> bkerensa: awesome.  a bunch of us will be around on Wednesday but real work will begin Thursday, if you're around we'll put you to work :)
[19:35] <bkerensa> Gareth: do you by chance know how far the beach is from the Hilton? Any nice beach
[19:41] <Gareth> Santa Monica & Venice would be the closest.  Venice is good for interesting people :)
[19:41] <Gareth> It's not far.  Not walkable but iirc there is a bus that goes from the Hilton there.
[19:55] <bkerensa> Gareth: ah ok yeah I'm hoping to get some photos of stuff
[19:55] <bkerensa> also planning to go up to Beverly Hills
[20:00] <Corey> bkerensa: Why?
[20:01] <bkerensa> Corey:  photos
[20:01] <Corey> bkerensa: Ah, for your PurseDogs of Los Angeles series?
[20:02] <Gareth> hah
[20:02] <pleia2> I keep saying I'll spend more time than just conference time in LA, but never manage to (have to come home, things to do!)
[20:02] <pleia2> also february is a lousy time for LA :)
[20:02] <blitz> yeah its been raining out here
[20:02] <pleia2> "cold" and rainy
[20:02] <Corey> pleia2: I know! It drops into the mid-60s!
[20:02] <pleia2> hehe
[20:02] <pleia2> it's been raining for like 5 days here!
[20:02] <Corey> pleia2: I hit SF tonight, there through Friday.
[20:02] <blitz> after raining twice in 8 months
[20:02] <Gareth> No rain today.  Blue sky :)
[20:03] <pleia2> Corey: ooh, when do you get in?
[20:03] <Corey> pleia2: 10PM at SFO.
[20:03] <Corey> Why, something going on tonight?
[20:03] <blitz> it's overcast right now
[20:03] <blitz> in SF
[20:03] <blitz> no rain though
[20:03] <pleia2> Corey: nah, but we do have Ubuntu Hour + Debian dinner on Wednesday
[20:03] <bkerensa> what its raining in LA?
[20:03] <bkerensa> :9
[20:04] <bkerensa> :(
[20:04] <bkerensa> I was hoping for sun and warmth
[20:04] <Corey> bkerensa: No, no.
[20:04] <Corey> What do you think this is, the end of days?
[20:04] <pleia2> bkerensa: california is catching up for a year of drought
[20:04] <pleia2> all at once
[20:04] <pleia2> Corey: I'm also free for dinner tomorrow if you're about
[20:04] <Corey> pleia2: I think so.
[20:04] <bkerensa> well hopefully rain will stop before next week
[20:05] <Corey> pleia2: Time and place?
[20:05] <Corey> I'm at 1 Market.
[20:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: are you planning a Ubuntu Hour for Scale12x?
[20:05] <blitz> where is 1 market
[20:05] <Corey> If so don't hold it during my UpSCALE talk.
[20:05] <pleia2> Corey: let's see...
[20:06] <pleia2> bkerensa: where, at Denny's? :) (no, I have too much going on)
[20:06] <Corey> blitz: Drive down Market. If you don't slam on your brakes you'll plow into the ferry building. Look right. That's 1 Market.
[20:06] <blitz> oh yeah
[20:06] <blitz> I'm a few blocks from there
[20:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: the hotel must have a restaurant and bar no?
[20:06] <blitz> well, I work a few blocks that is
[20:07] <pleia2> blitz: me too
[20:07] <Gareth> bkerensa: both.
[20:07] <blitz> I work @ 221 main st
[20:08] <blitz> used to work on bush & market
[20:08] <pleia2> I'm over on new montgomery (where ubuntu hour + debian dinner will be)
[20:08] <bkerensa> Gareth: good I hear Scale12x has no meals so its either dennys that or room service :D
[20:08] <pleia2> don't forget carl's jr
[20:08] <blitz> super duper
[20:08] <bkerensa> I don't know if I could eat Grand Slams and Carls Jr for a week
[20:08] <bkerensa> :P
[20:08] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2682-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[20:08] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[20:09] <Corey> pleia2: One of our guys is giving a talk on SSH down in San Jose Wednesday. I was hoping to see it. :-(
[20:09] <blitz> yeah I went to one of the ubuntu hours before
[20:09] <Corey> I find it humorous that Gareth has enough free time at work to "run SCaLE"
[20:09] <Corey> Five years ago I had Gareth's job. I was disillusioned / bored enough there that I became network staff.
[20:09] <pleia2> Corey: how's this look: http://www.ferrybuildingmarketplace.com/gotts_roadside.php
[20:09] <darthrobot> Title: [Gott's Roadside]
[20:09] <Corey> I also got a CCNA. :-)
[20:10] <Corey> pleia2: LIke a heart attack on a plate. I'm in.
[20:10] <Corey> pleia2: Will MJ be joining us?
[20:10] <Gareth> bkerensa: No meals?  We don't feed people :)  But there is a restaurant and a cafe in the Hilton.  Plenty of stuff about if you want to leave the hotel too.  There is also an In & Out not far too.
[20:10] <pleia2> Corey: they make an awesome raw ahi tuna fish taco
[20:10] <pleia2> Corey: no, he's in Atlanta this week for NANOG
[20:10] <Corey> Lucky stiff.
[20:10] <pleia2> blitz: wanna come?
[20:10] <Gareth> Corey: I do SCALE in between "tasks" :)
[20:11] <Corey> Gareth: Some month when you're putting on a multi-thousand person conference we should catch up. :-)
[20:11] <Corey> when you're not*
[20:11] <bkerensa> Gareth: No gangs? :) You should see the bug we have open for the event :)
[20:11] <pleia2> Corey: just let me know tomorrow what time works best for you (if at all)
[20:11] <bkerensa> Gareth: there was concerns about physical safety of our team
[20:11] <bkerensa> :P
[20:11] <Corey> pleia2: Any time after 5
[20:12] <pleia2> Corey: wfm, say 5:30 then?
[20:12] <Gareth> Corey: if you're about Wed. or Thurs.  it's usually pretty quiet...calm before the storm and all.
[20:12] <Corey> In semi-related news: I'm moving to SF in a few months.
[20:12] <Corey> pleia2: Sold.
[20:12] <pleia2> Corey: yay x 2
[20:12] <Corey> Mrs. Quinn is even on board with the idea.
[20:12] <pleia2> I will finally get to meet mrs corey
[20:12] <Corey> pleia2: I think she's coming to / sneaking into my UpSCaLE talk!
[20:12] <jose> Corey: are you going to scale too?
[20:13] <pleia2> Corey: oh good :)
[20:13] <Gareth> bkerensa: There are some sketchy streets...stick to Century Blvd if you're walking and you're fine.  It's like anywhere...there are spots you shouldn't be after dark :)
[20:13] <Corey> jose: I'm giving an UPSCaLE talk. I wasn't planning on phoning it in. :-)
[20:13] <Gareth> jose: Are you by chance the Jose whose flying in from South America and doing the TNG talk?
[20:13] <bkerensa> Gareth: Yeah they had wanted me to walk from LAX to the hotel (which at one point was not going to be the Hilton) and I told them absolutely not
[20:13] <pleia2> Gareth: he is!
[20:13] <jose> Gareth: I am that one!
[20:14] <Corey> bkerensa: That is ridiculous. That said, there's a shuttle for free. :-)
[20:14] <bkerensa> Yeah
[20:14] <bkerensa> and 24/7 which is win
[20:14] <bkerensa> :D
[20:14] <Gareth> jose: Ahh excellent.  I have the letter that Philip put together.  Need to print it out and sign it, scan it, etc.  But I'll get that over to you asap.
[20:14] <jose> Gareth: awesome, thanks a bunch :)
[20:14] <bkerensa> Btw folks who are booked at the Hilton you know you can upgrade to the executive floor for $15 more per night right?
[20:15] <Gareth> fyi, if you haven't booked a room.....do so asap....it's likely going to be sold out.
[20:15] <bkerensa> :D
[20:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: stop telling everyone that ;)
[20:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: its such a good deal though
[20:15] <pleia2> but then they'll all be taken!
[20:15] <bkerensa> hah
[20:15] <Corey> bkerensa: pleia2 is correct.
[20:16] <Corey> bkerensa: Some of us are Hilton Diamond, stop crowding us out!
[20:16] <pleia2> lol
[20:16] <bkerensa> Corey: I am Hilton nothing
[20:16] <bkerensa> :P
[20:16] <pleia2> I got upgraded there on my Gold last year
[20:16] <Corey> pleia2: How's United?
[20:16] <pleia2> Corey: I'd have to use a word that's not CoC-friendly, I decided to tough out USAir and see how it goes
[20:17] <Corey> I'm at 28K flown so far this year. I'm on track to beat my record.
[20:17] <pleia2> 19k here
[20:17] <Corey> I got a handwritten note from the first officer on my last flight thanking me for my loyalty.
[20:17] <pleia2> but that's because I went to Perth :)
[20:17] <Corey> I've yet to do Australia.
[20:17] <pleia2> it was my first time
[20:17] <Corey> I may have a project that'll have me back and forth to Maryland every week for three months.
[20:18] <pleia2> I'm going to Croatia in June, so hitting SA Gold again this year is no problem
[20:18] <Corey> Ooh.
[20:18] <Corey> Expensify did that last year as their company retreat, I heard good things.
[20:18] <bkerensa> Alaska Airlines FTW
[20:18] <bkerensa> never United again
[20:18] <Corey> bkerensa: I would if they weren't a regional.
[20:18] <pleia2> I know nothing about Croatia, but I got HP to sponsor their conference because I was invited to keynote :)
[20:19] <Corey> pleia2: Usually that goes the other way around; you sponsor and effectively buy a keynote. :-)
[20:19] <bkerensa> pleia2: btw I found out why PDX to LAX is only 15 mins more than PDX to SFO
[20:19] <pleia2> I prefer this way
[20:19] <bkerensa> they fly about 100mph faster to LAX
[20:19] <bkerensa> :D
[20:19] <pleia2> (says the lady who spoke at OSCON on a sponsored slot)
[20:20] <pleia2> not sure I'll do OSCON this year
[20:20] <pleia2> turns out I don't like it very much
[20:20] <bkerensa> OSBridge
[20:20] <bkerensa> :D
[20:20] <Corey> pleia2: I will just because some of our partners wind up there.
[20:21] <Corey> Gives me an excuse to drop by Puppet Labs again.
[20:21] <pleia2> :)
[20:22] <bkerensa> OSCON is so expensive we just bought our booth and it was $8500 just for that and now I still have to fly in three people and pay for all the other costs
[20:22] <bkerensa> :S
[20:22] <Corey> bkerensa: Who do you work for? :-)
[20:22] <pleia2> wow
[20:23] <bkerensa> pleia2: fwiw you might try OSBridge if you can this year its perhaps the best event I have been to in NA after LFNW
[20:23] <bkerensa> Corey: I work for myself but am a Evangelist for Mozilla
[20:23] <Gareth> OSBridge should be good....it was based on SCALE :D
[20:24] <bkerensa> Community Evangelist and also Firefox Nightly Release Manager
[20:24] <pleia2> bkerensa: it's too close to other events I'm doing, I need some home tmie :)
[20:24] <Corey> bkerensa: Ooh, mind a question about Firefox Mobile?
[20:24] <Corey> Er, sorry.
[20:24] <bkerensa> Gareth: are you going to go this year?
[20:24] <Corey> Firefox Phone, or whatever it's called.
[20:24] <Gareth> bkerensa: to OSBridge?
[20:24] <bkerensa> Corey: Sure
[20:24] <bkerensa> Gareth: Yeah
[20:24] <Gareth> bkerensa: when is it?
[20:25] <bkerensa> June 24/27
[20:25] <Corey> bkerensa: Who cares? I mean that in the least-insulting way possible, but Microsoft can't even make headway in the mobile OS space; we're going to have a duopoly there for at least another ten years.
[20:25] <bkerensa> Corey: Its already a top selling platform in the markets we have started selling it in so I guess in countries that have strong use of Open Source those people care
[20:26] <Gareth> bkerensa: maybe.
[20:26] <bkerensa> Corey: Mozilla is not doing Firefox OS to win or make money they are doing it to deliver open web to more people and give people in emerging markets a richer experience
[20:26] <Corey> bkerensa: Hmm. Maybe I should step outside the California Bubble more often. :-)
[20:26] <bkerensa> In Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia its selling like hotcakes
[20:26] <bkerensa> the carriers at least report that its a top seller
[20:26] <Corey> I withdraw my snarky commentary. :-)
[20:27] <jose> it needs more promotion here, as it's sold just as a cheap alternative
[20:27] <Gareth> woah.
[20:27] <Gareth> Corey: Is that a first?
[20:28] <bkerensa> jose: I will let our LATAM CM know that
[20:28] <jose> bkerensa: ah, and the people who sell it say it's just firefox os, has some apps and that's it
[20:28] <jose> they don't get too much into it, don't know if it was that specific person who talked to me or if it's in general
[20:30] <bkerensa> Corey: mind you Mozilla thinks its great for companies like  Google, Apple and Microsoft to exist
[20:30] <bkerensa> Mozilla believes competition even if its proprietary is good because it drives innovation often open innovation
[20:30] <Corey> Gareth: Hey, when I'm wrong I admit it!
[20:31] <Corey> Gareth: You might ask Shane about my experience with rsync's --delete flag in production. :-D
[20:31] <Corey> (A former coworker left prod's netapp mounted in staging, so when I was testing something there it destroyed prod, but I should still have been more careful...)
[20:32] <Gareth> haha
[22:12] <rww> heh, apparently nobody seeds kubuntu 12.04 desktop or alternate PowerPC, or amd64+mac. I wonder if that will be a problem :P
[22:13]  * rww now has all the 13.10 and 12.04 latest available apart from those
[22:26] <ianorlin> how long did all the lubuntu isos take?
[22:26] <ianorlin> they are smaller but so many
[22:31] <rww> dunno, I set the lot of them to go overnight and everything apart from those four is done
[22:31] <rww> (everything from 12.04, anyway. did 13.10 a week or two ago)
[22:37] <ianorlin> ah that makes senes to do them overnight
[23:27] <Corey> pleia2: So 5:30 tomorrow for dinner?
[23:28] <pleia2> Corey: yep
[23:34] <Corey> pleia2: Sweet. See you at the Heart Attack Cafe!
[23:34] <pleia2> hehe, yp
[23:34] <pleia2> Corey: have a safe flight :)
[23:34] <Corey> pleia2: Is blitz joining us?
[23:35] <pleia2> not suer yet
[23:35] <Corey> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/lastlog http 5
[23:35] <Corey> Yikes.
[23:35] <blitz> when is this
[23:35] <pleia2> hehe
[23:35] <Corey> Okay, that's a fun mosh bug.
[23:35] <Corey> blitz: TOmorrow evening, 5PM
[23:35] <pleia2> 5:30
[23:35] <pleia2> at Gott's Roadside (in ferry building)
[23:36] <blitz> naw I gotta work
[23:36] <blitz> when is the thing on wednesday
[23:36] <pleia2> Ubuntu Hour is at 6PM, Debian dinner is 7-8:30
[23:37] <pleia2> two separate events, but we always have a lot of overlap
[23:37] <pleia2> (and they're near each other)
[23:38] <pleia2> all details, w/ addresses: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2682-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[23:38] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[23:48] <blitz> I might be able to make that one


[06:22] <khrunt> hi, i have a really old machine (http://paste.ubuntu.com/24675574/) with a really old system (uname -a -> Linux fgarbo-home 3.2.0-118-generic #161-Ubuntu SMP Fri Dec 2 15:35:56 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux) system and it is complaining that some updates it can't reach. i am not familiar with ubuntu or lxde (more with arch), and I am bit confused how I could fix this. any suggestions?
[11:45] <davorin> gday (o;
[11:46] <davorin> is there a way to rotate the desktop in lubuntu?
[11:46] <davorin> screen settings doesn't show any options...
[11:47] <davorin> and rotating with xrandr doesn't rotate touchscreen input
[17:15] <Pikm> is anyone here?


 I just started poking at doing that.
[21:53] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: I did a little bit, really nothing major.
[21:54] <marcoceppi> https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/charm-tools/helper-tests
[21:54] <marcoceppi> Still trying to figure out how to do an "all.sh"
[22:01] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: ok good, I have a bunch fleshed out
[22:01] <marcoceppi> Cool, if you've got the bandwidth then by all means :D
[22:01] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: I'm looking for a tiny simple webserver to run on <IP_ADDRESS> to test ch_get_file
[22:02] <SpamapS> boa might work
[22:02] <marcoceppi> I was going to have it try to fetch a file from LP, but a lightweight webserver might be good too
[22:02] <marcoceppi> Could use CherryPY
[22:02] <SpamapS> I want it to be self contained
[22:02]  * marcoceppi *nods*
[22:03] <SpamapS> Because I'd like to run the tests in the package build, which has no network access
[22:03] <marcoceppi> gotchya
[22:06] <elmo> SpamapS: dear lord, dude
[22:06] <elmo> boa is ridiculous overkill
[22:06] <SpamapS> I don't know it at all
[22:06] <SpamapS> just heard "embedded"
[22:07] <elmo> you have python
[22:07] <elmo> why not just run one of the simple http server modules?
[22:07] <SpamapS> I 'spose thats simpler. :)
[22:07] <elmo> python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8000
[22:07] <elmo> will serve files from the current directory on port 8000
[22:08] <marcoceppi> Well that seems easy enough, now how can we make it more complicated?
[22:09] <elmo> I dunno - rewrite it in Go?
[22:10] <marcoceppi> Seems like the only _obvious_ option is to write an HTTP server in Bash
[22:14] <SpamapS> as fun as that sounds
[22:14] <SpamapS> its been done so many times.. ;)
[22:15] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: these tests have already turned up a few bugs in net.sh when running under set -u
[22:17] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: I'm not sure I agree with the "try host then dig" approach
[22:17] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: What would you recommend?
[22:35] <SpamapS> hrm.. SimpleHTTPServer doesn't write a pid file.
[22:36] <SpamapS> and dash's job management sux0rz
[22:37] <SpamapS> Hm I guess I can exec it from another script
[22:44] <marcoceppi> *whistles* or Bash?
[22:44] <marcoceppi> :)
[22:45] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: meh
[22:45] <marcoceppi> <3
[23:04] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: lp:~clint-fewbar/charm-tools/add-tests
[23:04] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: probably just needs a tiny bit of love to get working
[23:04] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: I have to run.. up against a hard stop.. but will be back later to finish it off
[23:05] <osadmin> hazmat, I have added ppa as you recommended
[23:09] <osadmin> hazmat, I see two packages ensemble and juju. Should I install both and how will it impact the default oneiric orchestra/juju/cobble packages?
[23:09] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: Cool, I'll take a look
[23:31] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: I made a few small changes: lp:~clint-fewbar/charm-tools/add-tests ch_get_file tests are still failing halfway through though
[23:32] <marcoceppi> lp:~marcoceppi/charm-tools/add-tests even


[13:51] <Meister> guten tag
[13:51] <Meister> can anyone speak to me german pls?
[13:52] <CrazyLemon> !de


[23:16] <Mooncairn> So, I've been moving USB devices to different ports (front and back) and only the mouse and keyboard randomly drop out. Other USB devices are fine.
[23:18] <Mooncairn> My next step will be to replace the mouse with an old wireless mouse and try to scrounge up an old keyboard too see if I continue having problems.
[23:19] <Mooncairn> I'm really hoping its just this keyboard and mouse that's screwed up and not the mainboard.
[23:34] <Mooncairn> Ick, the batteries in the wireless mouse have leaked. I may be needing to scrounge up another old mouse, too. :-/
[23:38] <cmaloney> Oof
[23:49] <Mooncairn> Ok, I temporarily procured another keyboard and mouse from the household, so I'll see if I get any drops on them over the next couple of days.