[19:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am developing a pair programming plugin for the ubuntu SDK. A lot of X based apps are being suggested for sharing outputs and what have you
[19:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am kind of curious whether Mir (I am an ignoramous) has any desktop sharing functionality being worked on


[09:38] <acheronuk> tjaalton: hi. is there likely to be a bionic update with this added -dev package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/1.13-2
[09:39] <tjaalton> acheronuk: possibly
[09:42] <tjaalton> I can upload it and see what happens
[09:42] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: just wondered. the only place I might need it so far is our (Kubuntu's) backports PPA, so I could always build that revision in there if push comes to shove
[09:43] <acheronuk> tjaalton I mean
[09:43] <tjaalton> acheronuk: but would help if you'd modify #1777994 and add the sru header with the rationale
[09:44] <acheronuk> ok.
[10:53] <Riddell> infinity: hola, me and acheronuk are trying to look into a problem in ubiquity in bionic.  a console-setup update makes it skip keyboard & wireless pages.  consistent in ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:53] <Riddell> infinity: this seems to be the problem change http://launchpadlibrarian.net/382474004/console-setup_1.178ubuntu2.4_1.178ubuntu2.5.diff.gz
[10:53] <Riddell> infinity: would you know what's up with it? my bash isn't good enough to read that
[11:05] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1788597
[12:14] <ahasenack> tjaalton: sorry, I don't know about tomcat8
[12:26] <tjaalton> ahasenack: no worrie
[12:26] <tjaalton> s
[12:26] <ahasenack> tjaalton: just synced sssd: [ubuntu/cosmic-proposed] sssd 1.16.3-1 (Accepted)
[12:27] <tjaalton> cool
[13:36] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, could you push you n-m upload from july to the packaging vcs?
[14:02] <cyphermox> seb128: done
[14:02] <seb128> cyphermox, thx!
[14:58] <Odd_Bloke> I was just emailed about my membership in an upload team (~ubuntu-cloud-uploaders) expiring; what's the process to get it extended?
[14:58] <ahasenack> doko: around?
[14:58] <ahasenack> doko: I think the orig tarball for paramiko 2.4.1 was incorrectly packaged
[14:59] <ahasenack> doko: the dep8 failures are due to missing *.pub files in tests/cert_support
[14:59] <ahasenack> which are there in the upstream 2.4.1 targz: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GKgxv64t2K/
[14:59] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, click the link in the email?
[14:59] <xnox> should be self-service
[15:00]  * xnox almost expired out of core-dev like that
[15:00] <Odd_Bloke> No link: "To prevent this membership from expiring, you should contact the team's administrator, Ubuntu Developer Membership Board (developer-membership-board)."  Should I just email the ML?
[15:03] <jbicha> Odd_Bloke: yes, please email the list, we probably want to change that setting to allow self-renewal like other teams
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> Ack, will do.
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[15:08] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, yeah, looks buggy
[16:56] <ahasenack> doko: others: hi, this fixes the paramiko dep8 failures in cosmic-proposed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/paramiko/+git/paramiko/+merge/353660
[16:56] <ahasenack> if someone could give it a review, I can then upload the package
[16:57] <ahasenack> (team policy: need a +1 before uploading)
[18:18] <psusi> jbicha: why is dh_translations used in Ubuntu but not Debian?
[18:19] <psusi> I put that part back and think I'm ready to upload
[18:23] <jbicha> psusi: because Ubuntu uses language packs and Debian does not. dh_translations doesn't exist in Debian
[18:50] <psusi> jbicha: that doesn't mean Debian is English only does it?  Is the difference that in Debian, all translations for each package are shipped with that package all the time, but in Ubuntu, we collect translations from all packages and put them into a language pack for each language that contains translations for all packages for that language?
[18:51] <tumbleweed> pretty much. Except, not all packages, just main, I think?
[18:51] <psusi> hrm... kind of a sucky tradeoff eh?  you either get translations for packages you don't have installed, or you get translations for languages you don't speak...
[18:52] <psusi> and I guess Ubuntu thinks the former is better and Debian the latter?
[18:52] <tumbleweed> it's not like they're that enormous
[18:52] <tumbleweed> but I think this was an optimization to get CD sizes down
[18:53] <psusi> hrm... which seems to be less of a concern these days...
[18:53] <mdeslaur> that wasn't really the motivation
[18:53] <mdeslaur> in Ubuntu, translation teams can translate software using launchpad
[18:54] <psusi> ohh, and the langpack can be updated without having to rebuild the package?
[18:54] <tumbleweed> ah, right
[18:54] <jbicha> packages in main are quite a bit more likely to have patches that add or modify translatable strings
[18:54] <psusi> and debian doesn't accept translations that aren't in the upstream package?
[18:54] <mdeslaur> the langpack is based on launchpad translations, so software that has incomplete upstream translations can get improved
[18:55] <tumbleweed> psusi: debian has no objection with that (but individual package maintainers can have weird objections)
[18:55] <jbicha> it's just difficult to coordinate translations for patches without using something like Launchpad
[18:55] <psusi> right... and they don't do that, so it's up to each maintainer to patch the package with new translations and rebuild the package
[18:55] <psusi> I see now
[18:56] <jbicha> I have seen some GNOME patches we carry in Ubuntu that Debian can't really take because the extra feature would not easily be translated in Debian
[18:57] <jbicha> GNOME bug 737362 is one example
[18:59] <jbicha> that bug is especially frustrating 😩
[19:00] <psusi> hey, isn't it a problem using pbuilder in debian for uploading?  doesn't debuild -S make one .changes file and pbuilder makes another for the binary, but deian wants you to dput a single .changes file with source and binary?
[19:01] <jbicha> you should do a https://wiki.debian.org/SourceOnlyUpload
[19:01] <psusi> ahh, they did start taking source only, good
[19:02] <tumbleweed> also, mergechanges


[03:00] <kyanh> hi, is Juju on cloud or can it be installed on my own server?
[03:07] <hloeung> kyanh: it can be installed on your own server
[03:13] <kyanh> hloeung, thanks a lot. I read on the site but it's hardly to figure the juju architecture :)
[10:16] <anrah> I have problem with setting some unit data and then accessing it on a interface-layer
[10:23] <anrah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23450338/
[10:23] <anrah> The ipv6_addr seems to be empty always
[11:23] <kjackal> anrah: I wouldn't go into IPv6 territory at the moment. Is it a requirement for you?
[11:27] <anrah> kjackal: partly yes.. As I use chef below the Juju and I've written my cookbooks in a way that it prefers ipv6 over ipv4
[11:28] <anrah> and also I have some requirements that IPv6 should be used if it's available on the platform
[11:34] <kjackal> anrah: I know that there is work going on on IPv6 as we speak, rick_h should have more info on this
[11:34] <anrah> in general also I'm little confused am I able to use certain units unit data on my interfaces?
[11:36] <kjackal> anrah: normally your reactive layer will call the functions of the interface passing any information required
[11:45] <mramm> kjackal: hi, I'm at some Juju roadmap planning meetings right now
[11:46] <mramm> kjackal: rick_h is the one who is working on making sure that ALL the IPs/subnets on an interface are made available to charm authors.
[11:46] <anrah> nice
[11:47] <mramm> anrah: I will try to get some more detail, though he is currently in a meeting
[11:49] <kjackal> mramm: anrah is into the telco field. This might help in connecting him with the right people.
[11:50] <mramm> kjackal, yea definitely.
[11:50] <kjackal> anrah: if you could share some details on what your use case is that would be helpful
[11:52] <mramm> anrah: could you send an email with your question to me at mark.ramm-christensen at canonical ?  We would very much like to work with you to demo your stuff to various operators we are talking to at the moment, and I'd like to connect folks on that level.
[11:53] <mramm> I will also track down and see when the address stuff is going to land, and see if there's a good way to get what you want right now.
[11:54] <anrah> mramm: Sure! We have already discussed with Max and Milan about our approach
[11:54] <mramm> anrah: That's good news.
[11:56] <mramm> I was just out doing a workshop at an operator here in Europe last week, and it is always great to have more VNFs to demo at such things.
[11:57] <mramm> and the code you pasted above is great -- uses the latest reactive stuff, looks clean and easy to explain to high level telco audiences
[11:57] <mramm> very nice!
[12:00] <zeestrat> mramm: Apologies for butting in, but is there any chance that you guys will make the Juju roadmap somewhat? It would be really great to know where the project is headed and what will be focused on.
[12:00] <zeestrat> *public
[12:01] <mramm> zeestrat: Sure, I'll try to get the details from the team as soon as they are finalized (probably next week) pushed to the mailing list.
[12:01] <mramm> zeestrat: also, what we have as a roadmap is what Canonical will push -- Juju is open source so it's possible that other things will get done
[12:02] <zeestrat> mramm: That sounds great. Thanks
[12:27] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, morning
[12:27] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundletester/pull/71 would help with getting the openstack-charmers charms which are currently failing cwr passing again I think
[12:30] <jamespage> beisner, ^^
[12:40] <jamespage> tvansteenburgh, if you want to test it against cs:~james-page/rabbitmq-server-requirement
[12:40] <jamespage> that has a small delta to install from test-requirements.txt
[12:42] <jamespage> marcoceppi, do bundletests for cwr require use of virtualenv flag?
[12:43] <marcoceppi> jamespage: I'm not 100% sure, ses is the one who would know best, followed by cory_fu
[12:44] <jamespage> marcoceppi, okies - just trying to get our openstack gate story and cwr lined up so we can keep both happy :-)
[13:59] <tvansteenburgh> jamespage, marcoceppi: reviewing now
[14:32] <cory_fu> jamespage, marcoceppi: Save for a brief window last week, CWR tests are run inside charmbox to ensure a consistent, clean environment, since the venv doesn't help with apt packages that the tests might install.
[14:32] <cory_fu> So, no, they don't require the virtualenv flag.
[14:33] <jamespage> cory_fu: ok so we're good with just the requirements change I've proposed then
[14:33] <jamespage> that's helpful I tink
[14:34] <jamespage> cory_fu, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395574/ running through UOSCI for gate test
[14:35] <cory_fu> jamespage, tvansteenburgh: Not that I think that having an explicit option is an issue, but couldn't you achieve the same effect by including '-rrequirements.txt' or '-rtest-requirements.txt' in the list of python-packages?
[14:36] <jamespage> cory_fu, that might work
[14:36] <jamespage> cory_fu, can we get cwr pointed at cs:~james-page/rabbitmq-server-requirement whilst we test this out?
[14:49] <cory_fu> jamespage: We will need that BT change merged and released, build-cloud updated, charmbox rebuilt, https://hub.docker.com/r/seman/cwrbox/builds/ rebuilt, and the Jenkins slave(s) updated.  I don't have access to do the last two.  (Obviously, there are too many moving parts in the current CWR system, so we're looking to streamline that.)
[14:50] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: Do you have access to the Jenkins slave(s)?  Could you do the last two on there?
[14:50] <tvansteenburgh> cory_fu: which slave
[14:51] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: xenial-slave
[14:58] <tvansteenburgh> cory_fu: looks like no. i can ask sinzui if it's urgent?
[14:59] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: I guess it depends if Seman is still out sick today
[15:01] <lazyPower> cory_fu - jsut for future reference, when we rebuild charmbox, cwrbox triggers a rebuild
[15:02] <lazyPower> so we *can* update the cwrbox
[15:02] <cory_fu> lazyPower: The timing on the builds made me think that it wasn't causative, but that's good to know
[15:02] <lazyPower> yeah, i cant help with the slaves, but i can help w/ the dockerhub stuff :P
[15:03] <cory_fu> And the docker image is pulled for each build, so that's good.
[15:14] <magicaltrout> if anyone wants me to import goods into the USA next year once the trade deals are scrapped.... let me know! ;)
[15:15] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: did you reschedule that elastic stack chat?
[15:18] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - not yet, looking for a good date next week. what works for you?
[15:18] <magicaltrout> how sober do i need to be?
[15:19] <lazyPower> its just planning/chat so 70/30?
[15:20] <magicaltrout> okay not Wednesday or Thursday lazyPower
[15:20] <magicaltrout> other than that i'm good
[15:21] <magicaltrout> if you make it a bit later than you did this time, its less likely to clash with any PST meetings I have
[15:21] <magicaltrout> they're always around 8-9am
[15:22] <magicaltrout> of course the trade off their is i'll have drunk more ;)
[15:36] <lazyPower> no worries i'm armed to the gills against drinking engineers ;)
[15:36] <lazyPower> i'll shoot for a 10am PST meeting on Tuesday
[15:47] <magicaltrout> cool
[15:47] <magicaltrout> admcleod_: you coming next week or not then?
[16:07] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - i just sent the updated calendar invite, thanks for keeping on me about that :)
[16:07] <lazyPower> i also attached a meeting agenda doc, and you should have edit rights, feel free to add to the agenda topic list if you have anything thats burning from your perspective
[16:39] <jcastro_> heya balloons
[16:39] <jcastro_> I'm updating the juju instructions in the kubernetes documentation, do we have a section in our docs on how to install via snaps? I would like to include other distros if possible.
[16:39] <lazyPower> +1000 to that notion
[17:53] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh, kwmonroe: Replied to your comments on https://github.com/juju/amulet/pull/166
[17:53] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh: Missed your reply about the comment.  Adding that now
[17:56] <cory_fu> tvansteenburgh, kwmonroe: Actually, I just noticed that Amulet already includes path.py in its requirements, so I can just say "for filename in Path(dir).files():"
[18:10] <bdx> hows it going everyone?
[18:11] <lazyPower> Whats up bdx
[18:11] <bdx> Merlijn and I just hashed out some initial work on juju <-> jenkins integration ideas, its on this etherpad -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/p/jenkins-collab
[18:11] <bdx> we would love any insight/feedback anyone has
[18:12] <bdx> we had to cut it short today, but it will be an ongoing project so ... stay tuned!
[18:16] <lutostag> bdx: interesting... what's that jenkins charm got compared to the upstream jenkins?
[19:10] <bdx> lutostag: xenial
[19:10] <bdx> experimenting with local lxd in the build process
[19:11] <bdx> needed xenial
[19:12] <lutostag> bdx: https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins-charm supports xenial
[19:12] <lazyPower> i think important info here is this charm layer landed last week ^
[19:12] <lutostag> true
[19:13] <lazyPower> did we ping the list with that info?
[19:13] <lutostag> lazyPower: good point... the communication is lacking for sure
[19:14] <lutostag> lazyPower: marcoceppi had plans for making that the promulgated jenkins charm, anything I can do to help that process?
[19:14] <lazyPower> lutostag - i think we just need a RevQ submission for that
[19:14] <lutostag> lazyPower: ok, thanks, will do
[19:15] <lutostag> bdx: sorry, our fault for not making it wider known, I hate when that happens
[19:16] <bdx> lutostag: its cool man ... it would be sweet to get that promulgated though
[19:17] <bdx> lutostag: theres no series in the metadata .... does this mean it supports xenial by default lol?
[19:18] <lutostag> bdx: should work on trusty + xenial, but I think we'll just try to get it promulgated for xenial, so we don't need to worry about a trusty upgrade story
[19:46] <beisner> icey, https://github.com/juju/theblues/issues/49
[19:47] <icey> beisner: good one :)
[21:17] <constl> marcoceppi, ubuntu charm file links leads to this -> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/~marcoceppi/xenial,trusty,precise/ubuntu/archive/Makefile
[21:18] <constl> when seeing the charm details from my local juju gui
[23:55] <bdx> marcoceppi, beisner: where does the jenkins-slave interface come from?


[12:54] <jamespage> slangasek: hi - thanks for poking bug 1678574 my way
[12:54] <jamespage> slangasek: fix uploaded to zesty and in the queue for xenial and yakkety - oversight on my behalf that was not picked up during testing because percona-xtradb-cluster dtrt with regards to setting the socket path in config files.
[13:04] <rbasak> [16:03] <stgraber> ACTION: slangasek to investigate getting tagged ubuntu-community bugs automatically forwarded to technical-board, and if not feasible, fall back to DMB sending signed emails to list for ACL requests
[13:04] <rbasak> [16:07] <stgraber> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[13:04] <rbasak> [16:07] <stgraber> not seeing anything that needs to be brought up in this meeting
[13:04] <rbasak> You missed my request :-/
[13:05] <rbasak> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-March/002292.html
[13:05] <rbasak> Please could you take a look?
[13:22] <tinoco> could someone release LP: #1317491 for me ? (Trusty only)
[14:13] <Laney> rbasak: I'm watching that budgie thread on devel-permissions - any reason why it's not an automatically generated flavour packageset?
[14:55] <rbasak> Laney: good point.
[14:56] <cyphermox> Laney: there isn't, I'm pretty sure it was brought up (maybe not so clearly), but it should be an automatically generated flavor packageset.
[14:56]  * Laney nods
[14:56] <Laney> Just wanted to nudge. :P
[14:57] <rbasak> Appreciated :)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> stgraber: something about lp 1675163 breaks makedev in a docker container
[15:12] <shadeslayer> stgraber: http://mobile.neon.pangea.pub:8080/job/mgmt_docker/label=do-builder-002/2200/console
[15:12] <shadeslayer> 14:41:56 Setting up makedev (2.3.1-93ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04.1) ...
[15:12] <shadeslayer> 14:41:56 mknod: mem-: Operation not permitted
[15:13] <Guest92659> hi...does anybody know whay gnome is using for gui testing?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> stgraber: perhaps that whitelist in the diff should also check for docker containers, not just lxc
[15:16] <sladen> ~
[15:42] <juliank> Anyone know what's up with the ubiquity autopkgtests? Started failing with gnupg2/2.1.15-1ubuntu7 on Mar 31, and now failed for apt/1.4 - error being AssertionError: 'in\ttam' != 'lk\ttam_unicode'
[15:43] <juliank> (The other, non-ubiquity, tests passed, so apt seems ready to go IMO)
[17:57] <stgraber> shadeslayer: possibly. I don't know Docker enough to know how to detect it though and frankly don't really care enough about it to do another round of SRUs for it :)
[17:57] <stgraber> shadeslayer: my change didn't cause this problem, any makedev upgrade would have caused it, I guess docker worked okay so far just because makedev hasn't been updated for years
[20:22] <shadeslayer> stgraber: yes, any change would have most likely caused it :)


[02:38] <thraxil> trying to get an m-audio firewire solo working on maverick
[02:38] <thraxil> it was working under lucid
[02:39] <thraxil> i plug it in and dmesg says "firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5"
[02:39] <thraxil> "firewire_core: created device fw1: GUID 000d6c0b00e2e0cf, S400, 1 config ROM retries"
[02:40] <thraxil> but i'm not seeing a /dev/raw1394
[02:40] <ailo> thraxil: put this in /etc/udev/rules.d/ http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/ffado.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/60-ffado.rules
[02:41] <ailo> Don't have a device myself, so I can't check. We discussed this a couple of days ago.
[02:41] <thraxil> ok
[02:41] <ailo> And reboot to load the rules
[02:42] <thraxil> alright. i'll try that out
[02:42] <ailo> or the file should be /etc/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules of course
[02:42] <thraxil> jackd -d firewire is also telling me "no such driver firewire"
[02:42] <thraxil> not sure if that's the same problem
[02:43] <thraxil> but i'll try this first
[02:43] <holstein> thraxil: as a trouble shooting step
[02:43] <holstein> i like to run
[02:43] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[02:43] <holstein> and see if JACK starts
[02:44] <holstein> can narrow down the search
[02:44] <thraxil> nope
[02:44] <thraxil> no luck with sudo qjackctl
[02:44] <holstein> thraxil: go to setup
[02:45] <holstein> sample rate 44100
[02:45] <holstein> frames/period 512
[02:45] <holstein> periods/buffer 3
[02:45] <holstein> double check that you have the firewire driver selected
[02:45] <thraxil> yep
[02:45] <thraxil> can't start jackd
[02:46] <holstein> who said start JACK ;)
[02:46] <thraxil> unknown driver "firewire"
[02:46] <thraxil> in the messages window from qjackctl
[02:46] <holstein> thraxil: go ahead and spit out what you got
[02:46] <holstein> in that message window
[02:47] <holstein> in a paster
[02:47] <holstein> ailo: this would temporarily get aroudn that file right?
[02:48] <holstein> maybe its the kernel... i had to get a RT kernel for mine to work
[02:48] <holstein> and i dont remember what the errors were....
[02:48] <thraxil> http://dpaste.com/294741/
[02:49] <ailo> right, it's also depending on the kernel. I've already forgotten most of what we did :)
[02:49] <thraxil> i've got: 2.6.35-24-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 2 02:41:37 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:50] <holstein> thraxil: you mind trying a different kernel?
[02:50] <ailo> The easy solution is to keep Lucid and wait with upgrading until Natty
[02:50] <holstein> i needed it with my firewire device
[02:50] <thraxil> well, it's already upgraded to maverick and i mostly use this machine as my desktop, so i don't really want to go back to lucid
[02:50] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[02:51] <thraxil> i'm hesitant to switch to an rt kernel because i use the nvidia drivers for dual monitor stuff
[02:51] <holstein> AH
[02:51] <holstein> well, i couldnt get any joy without it
[02:51] <holstein> and neither could another FW user
[02:51] <holstein> the other day
[02:52] <holstein> thraxil: let me get a bug for you to add yourself to if you dont mind...
[02:54] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893
[02:58] <thraxil> ok. i'm going to try the udev change first
[03:00] <holstein> right
[03:00] <holstein> and you shoud
[03:00] <holstein> should*
[03:00] <holstein> BUT im afraid sudo would get around that
[03:00] <holstein> let us know though
[03:17] <thraxil> no luck with the udev stuff
[03:18] <thraxil> it's still not creating that /dev/raw1394
[03:18] <thraxil> and jackd still won't start. firewire or no
[03:18] <thraxil> sudo or not, i mean
[03:20] <ailo> Here's a good page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FireWire
[03:20] <thraxil> that's what i've been following
[03:21] <ailo> ok
[03:21] <thraxil> it pretty much starts with "ls -al /dev/raw1394"
[03:21] <thraxil> and i get ls: cannot access /dev/raw1394: No such file or directory
[03:23] <holstein> thraxil: check lspci
[03:23] <holstein> maybe your FW is not there
[03:23] <holstein> or unsupported/blacklisted
[03:23] <ailo> How about this command?        lsmod | grep 'firewire\|1394'
[03:23] <thraxil> ieee1394               95219  1 sbp2
[03:23] <thraxil> firewire_ohci          24615  0
[03:23] <thraxil> firewire_core          54327  1 firewire_ohci
[03:23] <thraxil> crc_itu_t               1739  1 firewire_core
[03:24] <thraxil> and it was working with Lucid (and Karmic, and Hardy)
[03:24] <holstein> thraxil: what chipset?
[03:24] <holstein> not that that should make this error happen...
[03:24] <thraxil> so i'd be a bit surprised if it suddenly became blacklisted
[03:24] <ailo> thraxil: according to the page, you should not be using /dev/raw1394, so that's fine
[03:25] <ailo> Check out the chapter: Driver Confusion: FireWire stacks explained
[03:27] <ailo> I can only confirm from Natty, that raw1394 is blacklisted
[03:27] <ailo> because we want to use the new stack instead
[03:27] <ailo> The blacklist file is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf
[03:28] <thraxil> grep 'firewire\|1394' /proc/interrupts
[03:28] <thraxil> says that firewire_ohci is in charge
[03:29] <thraxil> i unloaded sbp2 and ieee1394
[03:29] <ailo> so, according to that page you can switch between the new stack and the old one.
[03:29] <thraxil> so now it's just firewire_ohci, firewire_core, and crc_itu_t
[03:30] <ailo> Again, I have no way of testing this stuff myself..
[03:30] <thraxil> ie, new stack exactly as it says there
[03:30] <ailo> I think it's the new stack that may be giving you problems on that kernel.
[03:31] <thraxil> ok
[03:31] <ailo> How about trying to switch? Just follow the instructions at "Switching bewteen stacks".
[03:31] <thraxil> yep
[03:31] <thraxil> ok. /dev/raw1394 shows up now
[03:32] <thraxil> audio group, which i'm in
[03:32] <thraxil> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 171, 0 2011-01-05 22:31 /dev/raw1394
[03:32] <ailo> And jack?
[03:32] <thraxil> jackd -dfirewire is still saying: Unknown driver "firewire"
[03:33] <ailo> How about sudo qjackctl?
[03:33] <thraxil> same
[03:34] <holstein> im not ugrading to anything on my production box
[03:34] <holstein> maybe 12.04
[03:36] <ailo> thraxil: you sure that the other stack is unloaded now?
[03:36] <thraxil> $ lsmod | grep 'firewire\|1394'
[03:36] <thraxil> raw1394                25814  0
[03:36] <thraxil> ohci1394               30338  0
[03:36] <thraxil> ieee1394               95219  2 raw1394,ohci1394
[03:38] <thraxil> jackd doesn't want to run with any backend
[03:38] <thraxil> not even alsa or pulseaudio
[03:38] <ailo> That's strange.
[03:39] <thraxil> just "Unknown driver "alsa"" or whatever
[03:39] <ailo> Do have a browser open with loaded flashplayer or something
[03:39] <thraxil> nope
[03:39] <ailo> Something maby be occupying th card
[03:39] <ailo> Jack from the standard repo?
[03:40] <thraxil> i assume
[03:41] <holstein> hmmm
[03:41] <holstein> interesting
[03:41] <thraxil> i did the "basics" apt-get from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[03:41] <holstein> thraxil: dummy?
[03:41] <holstein> thast telling
[03:41] <holstein> thats*
[03:41] <holstein> i still think you'll want an RT kernel
[03:41] <thraxil> runs with dummy
[03:41] <holstein> BUT thats telling
[03:42] <holstein> WTH
[03:43] <thraxil> could there be old backend libraries on the system somewhere that it's finding first and that don't work with this version of jack?
[03:44] <ailo> holstein: you have a 10.10, right. Did you ever try with the generic kernel?
[03:44] <holstein> thraxil: you did an upgrade?
[03:44] <thraxil> yeah, i've upgraded this machine since... probably gutsy
[03:44] <holstein> hmmm
[03:44] <holstein> thraxil: good for you
[03:46] <holstein> ailo: let me try it
[03:48] <ailo> thraxil: so you don't even have desktop audio?
[03:48] <thraxil> yeah
[03:48] <thraxil> desktop audio works great
[03:49] <thraxil> just can't jackd to talk to my external firewire interface
[03:49] <ailo> And not to your alsa card either?
[03:49] <thraxil> my alsa card doesn't have XLR inputs
[03:50] <thraxil> and, yeah, jackd doesn't seem to want to talk to anything right now
[03:50] <holstein> ailo: no good
[03:50] <holstein> fairly modest JACK settings
[03:51] <holstein> im going to reboot into the RT kernel
[03:51] <ailo> holstein: but you can get alsa running at least, right?
[03:51] <holstein> without changing anything
[03:51] <holstein> and i'll go back
[03:51] <thraxil> alsa on its own is fine
[03:51] <thraxil> but jackd with the alsa backend fails
[03:51] <ailo> I mean from jack :)
[03:51] <holstein> its a strage issue too
[03:51] <holstein> its like it wants to start
[03:52] <holstein> and i have a light that turns blue
[03:52] <holstein> that turns blue
[03:52] <holstein> jack hesitates for a while
[03:52] <holstein> at least 6 seconds
[03:52] <holstein> then just POW
[03:53] <holstein> but its runnning fine with RT
[03:53] <ailo> thraxil: how about /etc/security/limits.conf ? Do you have settings for the audio group there?
[03:53] <ailo> Cause if you have, those should be removed.
[03:54] <thraxil> nope
[03:54] <holstein> let me check natty
[03:54] <thraxil> just in limits.d/audio.conf
[03:54] <holstein> while im here
[03:55] <ailo> Well, ff on Maverick is tough, but jack/alsa is mystic. I would like to solve that first.
[03:57] <ailo> thraxil: So, you have a builtin card on your desktop? Can you get jackd started from the command line by doing: jackd -d alsa
[03:57] <thraxil> Unknown driver "alsa"
[03:58] <ailo> right
[03:58] <holstein> natty is not happy
[03:58] <holstein> something glitchy with apt going on
[03:59] <ailo> natty is buggy
[04:00] <holstein> its been over 2 weeks since i updated too
[04:00] <holstein> im going to try and force some update
[04:02] <ailo> thraxil: perhaps you could discuss the jack/alsa problem on #jack. I'm googling a bit, but not finding anything useful yet.
[04:03] <thraxil> k. thanks.
[04:03] <thraxil> i think i've had about enough for tonight :)
[04:04] <ailo> Well, as for firewire, I'm still to hear of someone getting it working on the generic kernel But jack/alsa should of course work.
[04:46] <holstein> tanders12: not you again ;)
[04:46] <holstein> ailo: no luck on natty
[04:46] <tanders12> holstein: hehehe
[04:46] <tanders12> only good news this time
[04:46] <holstein> AH
[04:46] <holstein> good
[04:47] <tanders12> got everything working a couple days ago. Haven't messed with it for while now actually
[04:47] <ailo> tanders12: I seem to remeber I had something I was supposed to tell you, but can't remember what it was :(
[04:47] <tanders12> trying to decide whether to work on that or android right now
[04:47] <holstein> tanders12: congrats
[04:47] <tanders12> ailo: If you're like me you'll remember as soon as I'm gone ;)
[04:49] <ailo> holstein: according to asmo on the -dev list he didn't do any fixes to get firewire working.
[04:49] <ailo> But, he's getting back on that
[04:49] <holstein> cool
[04:49] <holstein> i added to my bug
[04:50] <ailo> holstein: so did you do all the other usual stuff, audio groups etc..
[04:50] <holstein> i just tried sudo qjackctl
[04:50] <holstein> first thing
[04:50] <ailo> ok
[04:50] <holstein> then it was kinda stuck
[04:50] <holstein> i couldnt seem to kill jack
[04:50] <holstein> without restarting
[04:50] <holstein> and i gave up on it
[04:50] <tanders12> seems like I ran into that a couple times
[04:50] <ailo> And it's aboganis kernel?
[04:50] <tanders12> if i recall
[04:50] <holstein> i'll see if alsa starts
[04:51] <holstein> ailo: no, just generic
[04:51] <ailo> Ok
[04:51] <holstein> i'll try alsa and the other kernel soon
[04:51] <ailo> Cause in the generic there's the cgroup problem
[04:51] <holstein> might be next week
[04:51] <ailo> You should be able to start jackd with alsa, but not getting rt rights
[04:51] <ailo> So, for now, only aboganis kernel should be used for rt
[04:52] <ailo> On aboganis the cgroups are turned off
[04:54] <ailo> holstein: I'm assuming udev rules will still be needed, though
[04:57] <holstein> we'll see
[04:57] <holstein> i just might make some noise about it
[04:57] <holstein> so FW users can use ubuntustudio
[04:57] <holstein> after doing a few work arounds at least
[04:58] <ailo> The cgroup stuff is discussed between the audio community and the kernel people, and they're discussing how to solve it
[04:58] <tanders12> there just aren't enough ppl doing high-end audio on linux :/
[04:59] <tanders12> just a few dedicated devs keeping things running
[15:43] <virtu> hi... =)
[15:43] <virtu> finally everything is nice here with my mom´s computer
[16:01] <holstein> virtu: o/
[16:01] <holstein> good to hear
[16:04] <virtu> holstein: changed the video card and it worked liked a charm, so my mom decided to give her computer to a placed that cares old people (dont know the name in english)
[16:04] <virtu> then, for a few bucks she got a new one...
[16:06] <virtu> yesterday I got this new one and installed some software... she loves it and the place where she gave her old desktop are very happy because now they can do admin task with a computer


[21:02] <rmac> Can it be configured to launch websites that I pass variables to?
[21:02] <belgianguy> rmac: there used to be webapps, if that's what you meant
[21:02] <reisio> Muhammad_: ah, I forget how to do that, #vbox would know
[21:02] <bekks> alesan: When running a DNS cache, it is normal. If you dont want that, disable NetworkManager and configure the usage of DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces manually.
[21:02] <rmac> For example, I would love to configure it to launch robtex with an IP
[21:02] <reisio> Muhammad_: but yeah you can fix it from your live OS, too
[21:03] <rmac> To build a url with parameters I pass in
[21:03] <reisio> Muhammad_: or you can edit the grub entry during bootup and include ' single' at the end of the kernel line
[21:03] <alesan> bekks, so I need to disable network manager entirely to disable this small thing?
[21:03] <bekks> alesan: Yes.
[21:03] <alesan> bekks, are the network settings very granular in Ubuntu?
[21:03] <bekks> alesan: At least as far as I know.
[21:03] <bekks> alesan: Define "very granular".
[21:04] <belgianguy> rmac: http://askubuntu.com/questions/207634/url-in-launcher
[21:04] <belgianguy> like that?
[21:04] <rmac> I used to use something like gnome-do to do this.
[21:04] <alesan> bekks, that if you want to change a small thing you have to disable network manager and setup everything by hand
[21:04] <alesan> including wpa_supplicant
[21:04] <rmac> belgianguy: Not really.
[21:04] <bekks> alesan: That has nothing to do with "very granular". You can do all those things manually if you like. Or just use a DNS cache, which works fine.
[21:05] <Muhammad_> reisio: Sorry for this newbie question. Which command I should run during boot up to change that kernel line?
[21:05] <rmac> belgianguy: I am looking for a more "interactive" way to do this.
[21:05] <alesan> bekks, /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf comment out dns=dnsmasq
[21:05] <rmac> belgianguy: I hate to say this here, but I think window actually does this well with desktop search bar
[21:05] <rmac> belgianguy: Yea, I know tastes bad as it comes from my mouth
[21:05] <alesan> please do not say one has to disable all network manager to change a small setting next time
[21:06] <alesan> bye!
[21:06] <belgianguy> rmac: ? Use whatever gets the job done
[21:06] <bekks> He didnt even read all lines I posted...
[21:06] <sienez> hi. When I try to run evince (the pdf viewer), I get 'evince: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'. I have echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH -> /usr/local/lib. Inside is the file libgtk-3.so.0
[21:06] <rmac> belgianguy: But the nice this with Windows deskbar that I would like to replicate in Ubuntu/unity is the shortcut feature.
[21:07] <belgianguy> I think I get what you want, and I think the terminal would be best suited
[21:07] <bekks> sienez: Did you manually install evince?
[21:07] <sienez> bekks, no, it shipped withy my distro
[21:07] <reisio> Muhammad_: old down shift, you should get a grub/boot menu
[21:07] <rmac> belgianguy: Agreed, but I would love to use unity or another launcher to get this done.
[21:07] <reisio> Muhammad_: if it doesn't have instructions, I think it's 'e' to edit
[21:07] <bekks> sienez: Why did you put some libbs into /usr/local/lkib then?
[21:09] <ipfaffy> has anyone here set up radius with a cisco AP and freeradius?
[21:09] <sienez> bekks, i don't remember
[21:09] <datengarten> jhutchins, bekks: ok, "packets under way" would have been the short and simple answer. i looked via google before, but didn't find something appropriate. now this answered my question: http://www.vincentverhagen.nl/2009/06/13/what-does-the-pipe-value-mean-in-the-output-of-ping/
[21:09] <sienez> bekks, but why doesn't it find the file, when it's definitely there
[21:10] <bekks> sienez: Because its the wrong lib maybe. Did you try to disable the usage of /usr/local/lib if you dont remember why you are using it?
[21:11] <sienez> bekks, no. i also have the same file available here: ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0
[21:11] <sienez> bekks, so it exists 2x
[21:11] <sienez> bekks, but the 2nd one is not on ld_library_path
[21:12] <bekks> sienez: Sounds like there is pretty much broken then...
[21:12] <sienez> bekks, ummm.. how to recover then
[21:12] <sienez> bekks, should I add the 2nd dir to ld_library_path?
[21:12] <bekks> sienez: Disable the usage of things you configured and dont remember why :)
[21:13] <sienez> bekks, haha sounds good. how would I do that
[21:13] <sienez> remove from search path?
[21:13] <bekks> sienez: I dont know what you did and why you did it exactly.
[21:14] <sienez> bekks, what do you mean by "disable"
[21:15] <bekks> sienez: You somehow cofigure the usage of /usr/local/lib for LD_LIBRARY_PATH - so you should undo that.
[21:15] <sienez> bekks, oh yea. i ran ldconfig. before that I had an empty ld_config_path
[21:15] <sienez> bekks, which seemed more suspicious to me...
[21:16] <apb> Anybody using an external enclosure with ubuntu?  Is there anything special to be done, or is it just another USB device to ubuntu?  12.04 server here
[21:16] <bekks> apb: External enclosure for what...?
[21:17] <apb> oh.  hard drive
[21:17] <bekks> apb: It is a harddisk to ubuntu, nothing special - just unmount before pulling the cable.
[21:17] <apb> kewl
[21:18] <JRizzle> how is it developing in Rails on ubuntu versus mac os ?
[21:18] <JRizzle> any major differences ?
[21:18] <apb> any recommendations on a brand either plus or minus?
[21:18] <SunTsu> apb: depends on what you use as interface. USB - just another USB drive. eSATA: Just another SATA drive
[21:18] <apb> kewl
[21:19] <apb> was thinking about getting either a Rockwell or a Vantec enclosure
[21:19] <SunTsu> apb: I'd rather get a hdd from a good vendor like WD and buy a enclosure separately, else you don't knwo what you end up with
[21:19] <apb> no I have the HD... just need the enclosure to recover data
[21:19] <SunTsu> s/knwo/know/
[21:20] <apb> my mobo seems to have gone bellyup... so need to recover the data
[21:20] <SunTsu> apb: I don't think that the difference between different enclosure vendors is very high
[21:21] <apb> well... just reading some reviews... as always there's some people that love it, and some that hate it... but almost no mention of use with linux so I like to come here and ask
[21:21] <rethus> if i try to install kde-standard, i got a message (translatet sounds like this) : kde-plasma-desktop >=5:71~pre15ubuntu12.5) but should not be installed
[21:21] <rethus> how can i fix this?
[21:21] <rethus> can i force to install them?
[21:22] <apb> thanks for the help SunTsu and bekks :)
[21:22] <ChogyDan> rethus: what are you trying to do?
[21:22] <Sertilios> Hey I just installed xbmcbuntu on my computer and I really need some assistance
[21:22] <Sertilios> I can't even get the internet to work and everytime I attempt to open xbmc it crashes back to log in or back to xbxmcbuntu
[21:22] <rethus> install plasma desktop
[21:23] <SunTsu> apb: it doesn't make a difference, it's all mass storage over USB
[21:23] <ChogyDan> rethus: maybe try installing kubuntu-desktop
[21:23] <Sertilios> Can someone help me with configuring my new installing?
[21:24] <rethus> this has also many of this entrys
[21:25] <savid> What program controls messages such as "The program foobar is not currently installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install foobar."? I'm getting an erroneous error message from this when running a command that exists.
[21:25] <Sivik> anyone know what the cqueue/# kernel process is?
[21:25] <rethus> I don't understand, where this flag is set, that this needed pachages are not able to install
[21:25] <Sertilios> can someone help me figur eout how to install the internet on ubuntu for frodo?
[21:26] <ChogyDan> rethus: can you pastebin the entire msg?  That would help me follow along, even if it isn't in english.
[21:27] <rethus> :D how? I have no x
[21:27] <grimeton> rethus: some command | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[21:28] <rethus> can i pipe the output to this?
[21:28] <grimeton> rethus: yes to the curl command
[21:28] <grimeton> it returns an url
[21:28] <ChogyDan> rethus: there is also pastebinit:  command | pastebinit
[21:28] <Sivik> Nice.
[21:28] <Sivik> love the sprunge.us
[21:29] <rethus> has GHeP behind the url
[21:29] <hitsujiTMO> Sertilios: xbmcbuntu is not supported here: try #xbmc
[21:29] <grimeton> rethus: paste the url here
[21:29] <savid> I just have a sprunge script that I use:  http://sprunge.us/DFGP?bash
[21:30] <rethus> http://sprunge.us/GHeP
[21:30] <savid> Then I do stuff like this in vim:  :'<,'>w !sprunge
[21:31] <rethus> cool stuff, that sprunge.us
[21:31] <apb> SunTsu: Normally I would have assumed that was true... but then I noticed some of the enclosures say things like "Support for Windows 7 and MacOS"... so when I see things like that I try to exercise a little extra due diligence before plunking down cash I don't really have.
[21:31] <ChogyDan> rethus: what happens when you run sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop
[21:31] <grimeton> rethus: is this a 13.04?
[21:32] <rethus> http://sprunge.us/KEAH
[21:33] <ChogyDan> rethus: and plasma-widgets-workspace?
[21:34] <rethus> http://sprunge.us/TfiZ
[21:34] <grimeton> rethus: is this a 13.04?
[21:34] <rethus> 12.04
[21:34] <tripple> is it possible to create an application that automatically downloades torrents for you?
[21:34] <Ari-Yang> tripple: anything is possible
[21:34] <savid> There's something that ubuntu adds to bash that causes it to check apt for whether or not a package is installed when running a command. Where is this?
[21:34] <SunTsu> tripple: that's what torrent clients are for
[21:34] <grimeton> rethus: run an apt-get update and try again - just to make sure
[21:34] <Ari-Yang> !deluge
[21:34] <rethus> have still done that
[21:34] <Ari-Yang> !bittorrent
[21:34] <tripple> i mean like lets say another edition of something u want comes out every week
[21:35] <tripple> an application that does this automatically
[21:35] <ChogyDan> rethus: what about the output of apt-cache policy on some of these packages?
[21:35] <tripple> ubottu: these clients do this?
[21:35] <SunTsu> tripple: there are services that provide rss feeds for that, else how would the client know?
[21:35] <ChogyDan> rethus: or maybe I should ask how you got in this mess?
[21:35] <grimeton> tripple: that's no problem - try perl or python or something like that
[21:35] <rethus> what the command for it?
[21:35] <rethus> apt-get policy ?
[21:36] <grimeton> rethus: run an apt-get -f install
[21:36] <tripple> but when i develop how does it work?? does it just add onto the previous link?
[21:36] <ChogyDan> rethus: apt-cache policy packagename
[21:36] <tripple> like if it was kat.ph/movie1
[21:36] <tripple> goes to
[21:36] <tripple> kat.ph/movie2
[21:36] <tripple> ?
[21:36] <kostkon> tripple, deluge and qbitorrent i think can subscribe to torrent rss feeds etc
[21:37] <dubone> Hello All, I have a vm running Ubuntu from Ubuntu and it has been running fine for months until last night I rebooted the vm and it is now stuck on "Boot from (hd0,0) ext4 - Starting up ... Here is my libvirt.log http://pastebin.com/yArg0FaP
[21:37] <rethus> http://sprunge.us/EGDV
[21:38] <tripple> but i want to build my own!
[21:38] <grimeton> tripple: then you have to use your brain and think about how todo it
[21:38] <tripple> Yes u are rite...
[21:38] <tripple> TRUUEE
[21:38] <kostkon> tripple, then use e.g. bash or puthon
[21:38] <kostkon> python*
[21:38] <jhutchins> tripple: Maybe sickbeard?
[21:38] <Ari-Yang> tripple: this is an ubuntu support channel... what you're asking for isn't really ubuntu support
[21:39] <rethus> I've installed the 12.04.3 Kernel-Upgrade. Aftes this, i could login, but no window-border appaer. So i try to got this to work, and step by step i had a messed up system now, without kde at all.
[21:39] <tripple> ill slither off into my sleep....
[21:39] <tripple> until next time...
[21:39] <grimeton> rethus: can you run apt-get -f install ?
[21:39] <ChogyDan> rethus: I would keep trying to install packages, until you get a more meaningful message.  Maybe try plasma-dataengines-workspace next
[21:39] <lenzeor> Hey there! I heard 13.10 drops tomorrow. Is upgrading still as unsafe as it used to be? Im on 13.04
[21:39] <MrKB> So I had Ubuntu running on a P4 box, I went ahead and moved the HDD and the CPU to another box which has more RAM and a discrete video card. Now I'm having weird graphical artifacts. Is this because I need to get me some video card drivers?
[21:39] <rethus> does nothing at all
[21:40] <MrKB> Note: Everything else works fine, or seems to at least.
[21:40] <rethus> say its all ok
[21:40] <rethus> :(
[21:40] <grimeton> rethus: that means that your packages are fine
[21:40] <grimeton> rethus: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v install
[21:40] <ChogyDan> rethus: ?  sudo apt-get install plasma-dataengines-workspace says it is already installed?
[21:41] <rethus> dpkg returns nothing
[21:41] <rethus> i try
[21:41] <grimeton> rethus: then there aren't any blocked packages
[21:41] <grimeton> i'd try a different mirror
[21:41] <grimeton> just 4 fun
[21:41] <rethus> also an dependency error
[21:42] <grimeton> rethus: try a different mirror
[21:42] <rethus> kde-pim runtime
[21:42] <grimeton> maybe you hit something in between updates
[21:43] <ChogyDan> rethus: grimeton might be right.  You can still keep following the error if you like, by trying to install kde-pim next, so on and so forth
[21:43] <larryrusswurm> Hi all: Just upgraded a 10.04 computer to 13.04 (Ubiquity on the live CD allowed this), but after an apt-get upgrade the network is no longer connecting (Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit PCI). Network Manager still lists the device, but it never connects. Known problem? If so, easy fix?
[21:43] <rethus> I've done this for the last 6 hours
[21:44] <rethus> turn arround and arround and around
[21:44] <grimeton> rethus: it's a 12.04.3 lts?
[21:44] <rethus> same stuff all the time
[21:44] <rethus> yes
[21:44] <grimeton> rethus: installed as 12.04.3 or updated from an earlier version?
[21:45] <rethus> i don't know, i think bare installation.
[21:45] <ObrienDave> rethus... yes, and I suggested enabling ALL of the standard repositories, hours ago
[21:45] <rethus> it was some time ago
[21:45] <ChogyDan> rethus: oh, and maybe try aptitude.  That can have much better error messages in these regards
[21:45] <grimeton> rethus: can you do a dpkg -l and pipe that to sprunge?
[21:46] <grimeton> is it a server or a desktop install?
[21:46] <rethus> ObrienDave: ?
[21:46] <ChogyDan> rethus: one last suggestion: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^          with the ^   post the output of that
[21:47] <rethus> http://sprunge.us/HVfY
[21:47] <rethus> ok
[21:47] <grimeton> rethus: is this an i386 or an amd64 setup?
[21:49] <rethus> ChogyDan:  http://sprunge.us/XNTU
[21:49] <rethus> 64
[21:49] <ChogyDan> rethus: did you install a ppa?
[21:50] <rethus> before i had backports
[21:50] <rethus> but is still disabled in source.list
[21:50] <karen_> I went to Linux channel and it says, "Cannot send to channel." How do I get on the linux channel?
[21:50] <ChogyDan> rethus: hmmm, maybe you need to have used the ppa-purge command
[21:51] <ChogyDan> karen_: is your nick registered?
[21:51] <rethus> sounds good. how to made this
[21:51] <karen_> I don't know. How do you do that?
[21:51] <rethus> http://sprunge.us/EaAV
[21:52] <lenzeor>  I currently use a PPA to get a proprietary driver for my graphics card. (AMD Legacy) Any way to port that over to 13.10 when I upgrade?
[21:52] <rethus> karen_ write   /nickserv identify yourNickName YourPasswd
[21:53] <tgm4883> note there is no space before the /
[21:53] <ChogyDan> !register | karen_
[21:53] <karen_> o.k. thanks guys!
[21:55] <ChogyDan> rethus: well, I think the simplest fix would be to just use aptitude: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop  And then let aptitude resolve these errors.  It is more designed for this
[21:55] <rethus> same stuff
[21:55] <ChogyDan> rethus: you want to pick the solution that downgrades the various packages
[21:56] <rethus> trying the whole day with dpkg, apt-get and aptitude
[21:56] <rethus> whats that ppa-purge?
[21:56] <rethus> how i use this
[21:56] <k1l> !ppa-purge | rethus
[21:58] <rethus> strange, aptitude has now some stuff to do
[21:58] <rethus> will see, if it work now … is still loading
[22:00] <marielle> I need to find files that end with " .sh " and that do not have letters from 'm' to 'p'.   I've tried       find / -name "*[^m-p]**.sh"       but it's not working well, could anyone help me please? Thanks
[22:01] <julian> Helllo
[22:01] <julian> I'm trying to use Taskell
[22:01] <julian> I select the package I want in the GUI
[22:02] <Guest26179> Right, I'm trying to install a LAMP stack using taskell
[22:02] <SunTsu> marielle: what does "not working well" mean exactly?
[22:02] <cZex> Hi. I need help. I played with emerald theme manager and some compiz settings. Now whenever i hit alt+tab my ubuntu 12.04 stucks and i can only reset the pc. Is there any fix or revert to default or something?
[22:02] <Guest26179> I start taskell, select LAMP server, hit enter, and nothing.
[22:02] <Guest26179> Taskell just disappears? Any ideas?
[22:03] <ChogyDan> Guest26179: sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[22:04] <ChogyDan> with ^
[22:04] <cZex> Hi. I need help. I played with emerald theme manager and some compiz settings. Now whenever i hit alt+tab my ubuntu 12.04 stucks and i can only reset the pc. Is there any fix or revert to default or something?
[22:04] <marielle> SunTsu: some of the files found end with  .sh  but still have letters 'm' 'n' 'o' 'p' in them
[22:05] <Guest26179> ChogyDan Unable to locate package lamp-server
[22:05] <ChogyDan> include the ^
[22:05] <SunTsu> marielle: did you try -regex instead of -name?
[22:06] <spydon> Any ideas at what time 13.10 will be released?
[22:06] <Guest26179> ChogyDan: hehe you did say
[22:06] <k1l> spydon: no time given. see #ubuntu-release-party
[22:06] <Guest26179> ChogyDan: Thankyou very much
[22:06] <ChogyDan> Guest26179: EVERYONE thinks it's a typo  :)
[22:07] <Guest26179> ChogyDan: haha :)
[22:07] <spydon> k1l: it doesn't say anything about the release time there and it's completely dead compared to a few years ago. :(
[22:08] <spydon> Not even a partybot.
[22:08] <k1l> spydon: as i said: there is no specific release time.
[22:08] <spydon> k1l: ok, thanks.
[22:08] <k1l> spydon: and if you know that already from the last years why do you ask?
[22:09] <spydon> k1l: that there is no time or about the channel?
[22:09] <spydon> Last year there was some people with rough estimations
[22:09] <k1l> that there is no specific time. (but the question was more rhetorical)
[22:09] <basedgod> Can someone help? http://hastebin.com/mepeqosori.vhdl
[22:10] <benoit_> hello all
[22:10] <spydon> k1l: there is no specific official time, that doesn't mean that nobody knows. ;)
[22:10] <benoit_> i just notice medibuntu disapeared, anyone can tell what to do to install w32codecs please ?
[22:10] <basedgod> I am using crunch bang 11 but they are not helping at all with this problem for some reason. http://hastebin.com/mepeqosori.vhdl
[22:10] <basedgod>  i think unbuntu files are same as crunch?
[22:10] <basedgod> right?
[22:10] <k1l> basedgod: please see the crunchbang support
[22:11] <benoit_> #ubuntu-jp
[22:11] <basedgod> they are not helping -_-
[22:11] <pertha> hello
[22:11] <basedgod> they are ignoring me
[22:11] <basedgod> isn't it the same file tho?
[22:11] <k1l> basedgod: please see if there are other support ways for crunchbang. its not supported in here
[22:12] <MrKB> what does modprobe do? Every time I reboot my ubuntu install, I need to run "sudo modprobe -rfv rtl8192cu" and "sudo modprobe -v 8192cu" to get my stupid WiFi dongle to connect to my network
[22:13] <ObrienDave> MrKB... you can put those commands in a script file and auto run it on boot
[22:13] <ChogyDan> MrKB: try adding the names to /etc/modprobe    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/225845/how-do-i-configure-modprobe-to-find-my-module
[22:13] <MrKB> ObrienDave: That sounds like a good idea
[22:13] <Guest26179> ChogyDan: Hi, I'm getting the "It works!" page so I think everything's working
[22:13] <Guest26179> ChogyDan: but what directory do I place my PHP directories in?
[22:14] <Guest26179> *Php applications
[22:14] <MrKB> ChogyDan But why is that though? What is happening that those commands need to be run all the time?
[22:14] <ChogyDan> Guest26179: yeah, sounds like it.  /var/www i think
[22:14] <ChogyDan> MrKB: it tells linux to load the driver
[22:15] <MrKB> ChogyDan: Why doesn't it load automatically? Will I need to do the same with all drivers that are not near-universal?
[22:16] <G33kDude> quit
[22:16] <Guest26179> ChogyDan: Spot on, thanks
[22:16] <ChogyDan> MrKB: maybe, I'm not familiar with how drivers get automatically loaded.  But I don't think it is a part of default linux
[22:16] <MrKB> ObrienDave: Do you know why?
[22:17] <ObrienDave> MrKB... no, not sure, sorry
[22:17] <MrKB> ChogyDan ObrienDave: Ok thanks guys :)
[22:19] <Chat6633> ت
[22:19] <rethus> i have an asus n76vz, how can i find out, which intel-driver i need
[22:20] <ElFizbanio> when is the next lts supposed to come out?
[22:21] <karen_> I do not get how to register, you guys!
[22:21] <BuzZBladE> !14.04
[22:21] <karen_> sorry
[22:22] <BuzZBladE> ElFizbanio, it's scheduled for next april
[22:23] <ElFizbanio> nice
[22:23] <BuzZBladE> rethus, i think intel keeps all thier chipset drivers in one package
[22:24] <rethus> do you know how it's named?
[22:26] <karen_> Just want to get on another channel and don't know how. That page on registering doesn't make sense. I don't know where the "server" is to type any info.
[22:26] <pilotte> How can I permanently set softtabstop for vim?
[22:26] <ElFizbanio> no rethus
[22:26] <rethus> karen_:  try   /join #otherChannel
[22:26] <MrKB> I have downloaded a .tar.bz2 file (there's also a .tgz available to me if that would work better) of SuperPI. How do I go about installing such a program on 12.04?
[22:27] <karen_> I do try that, but when I type in, for example, Linux, it takes me there, but it says that I can't connect to it.
[22:27] <rethus> if i startx, i got a message that no screens found
[22:27] <rethus> how can i configure them
[22:28] <BuzZBladE> karen, try /join ##Linux
[22:29] <erik_EE> Does anybody know what time we will be expecting ubuntu 13.10 final and it's flavors? Here in NZ we have 17-th already
[22:29] <karen_> k, will try
[22:29] <Ben64> erik_EE: probably over 24 hours away
[22:29] <BuzZBladE> erik_EE, its 10/16 6pm'ish here in the us
[22:29] <OerHeks> erik_EE, join #ubuntu-release-party and you will notice when
[22:30] <erik_EE> ok thanks!
 dont know
[22:30] <ObrienDave> I'm zsyncing the current build. I'm going to be ready ;)
[22:31] <tgm4883> it's already available if you know where to get it
[22:31] <Wash_Jones> Hey all - anyone know why Ubuntu 12.04 won't save my brightness settings? Every time I restart the brightness is very low and I have to bring it back up manually.
[22:31] <karen_> o.k. it says    ##Linux Cannot send to channel
[22:32] <Inji0> anyone here try edubuntu?
[22:32] <ObrienDave> Wash_Jones... set it where you want, save current session in "Sessions and Startup"
[22:32] <asc232> becouse is /join #linux no #Linux
[22:33] <karen_> I should write that better. It says, "##Linux  :Cannot send to Channel"
[22:33] <Ben64> !register | karen_
[22:33] <Pici> asc232: irc channels are case insensitive.
[22:34] <karen_> o.k. but I don't get where to type in all that info they say to type in. They say to type that in your "server". Where is that?
[22:34] <Wash_Jones> Thanks - where do I modify sessions and startup? All I'm seeing is "Startup Applications"
[22:34] <Ben64> karen_: where you are typing now
[22:34] <erik_EE> Just out of curiosity! Has anyone managed to get AMD/Intel switchable graphic work properly in linux? I have Aspire timeline x with AMD HD 5650 and Intel switchable graphics.
[22:35] <karen_> OH!    o.k.
[22:35] <BuzZBladE> karen, its fine to type it in here as well, we won't see the command
 but if i type /join #Linux
[22:35] <ObrienDave> Wash_Jones... not sure where in Ubuntu. I run Xubuntu ;))
[22:35] <pilotte> How can I permanently set softtabstop for vim?
[22:35] <asc232> I got  No pudo entrar a #Linux (El canal es sólo para invitados).
[22:35] <ikonia> asc232: the channel is "##linux" not "#linux"
[22:36] <ObrienDave> !es | asc232
 sorry
[22:36] <Wash_Jones> Well that still sounds like a good start, thanks! Anyone in #Ubuntu running Ubuntu..?
[22:36] <BuzZBladE> asc232, he wasnt following chat
[22:37] <ObrienDave> Wash_Jones... most of THEM do ;))
[22:37] <smandy> hi all - have a quick q. Haven't been able to find on google. Any idea how I can change cursor blink frequency if running a tty console? - cursor seems to be very frantic want to slow it down a bit.
[22:37] <Pici> pilotte: likely via your ~/.vimrc file.  You probably want to ask #vim for more details though.
[22:43] <meajagun> ping
[22:44] <ObrienDave> pong
[22:44] <karen_> Oh my gosh, what a mess up in registering. Someone needs to explain those instructions a little better. I didn not register right.
[22:45] <meajagun> rails dev materials
[22:46] <ikonia> meajagun: try to talk in sentences, rather than keywords
[22:50] <systemd0wn> Question: I'm working on getting a wireless card with the rt3573 chipset. It won't change channels in monitor mode. Anyone have ideas?
[22:51] <karen_> uhhh did you guys see that?
[22:52] <erik_EE> see what?
[22:52] <karen_> my e-mail address and my password or is it hid from you. I'm trying to register.
[22:53] <systemd0wn> lol. we didn't see that.
[22:53] <ikonia> karen_: join #freenode and ask for help if you need help/confirmation
[22:53] <SunTsu> karen_: what registration are you talking about? nickserv?
[22:53] <erik_EE> no didn't see anyhing besides a screen flicker and smoke.
[22:53] <karen_> ya
[22:53] <systemd0wn> however you should do that in the channel window and not here. Just to be safe. So you don't post it in channel.
[22:53] <karen_> Where is the channel window?
[22:53] <systemd0wn> er. I mean server window
[22:53] <karen_> where is that?
[22:53] <SunTsu> karen_: as systemd0wn said, better try that in a window not used for a channel
[22:54] <karen_> ohhh
[22:54] <karen_> try again, I will
[22:54] <SunTsu> karen_: didn't see any password, but better be safe than sorry
[22:54] <systemd0wn> I don't know what client your using. But for me on the left side is a list of the channels (rooms) I'm in. Then above that is one named "freenode" that's my server window. It lists all the connection stuff.
[23:01] <andrewvos> Anyone know a way I can script "switch to previously focused window and type some characters"
[23:06] <cdrkeen> I just installed 13.04 and my touchpad doesn't work..
[23:16] <chaotic_good> how long should mkfs.ntfs take to format a 4t drive?
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> its not a quick format as far as i know.. so i would say some time. :) internal or external hd?
[23:17] <chaotic_good> ex
[23:17] <chaotic_good> :)
[23:17] <ikonia> using linux to make ntfs.....bad
[23:17] <chaotic_good> well life sucks when its all ata data cneter
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> external usb2 or usb3 ?
[23:17] <chaotic_good> id use reisserfs meself
[23:17] <chaotic_good> :)
[23:17] <chaotic_good> usb2
[23:18] <chaotic_good> what u think this  is goole?
[23:18] <chaotic_good> lol
[23:18] <FloodBot1> chaotic_good: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:18] <ikonia> not sure how that changes anything that it's in a data center
[23:18] <chaotic_good> aka i cant get at it ez
[23:18] <ikonia> so ?
[23:18] <genius_blueyes> :)
[23:18] <ikonia> why are you using ntfs on linux
[23:18] <genius_blueyes> well I cant plug it into mylaptop and say FORMAT
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> i whuld think it would be more impront as to what is the Main os thats going to be accessing the drive.
[23:20] <genius_blueyes> I gota move file onto external drive
[23:20] <genius_blueyes> then go get it
[23:20] <genius_blueyes> and then a dev will plug int inot local win machine
[23:20] <genius_blueyes> here at office
[23:20] <genius_blueyes> :)
[23:21] <ikonia> ...so again, why are you formatting it with ntfs
[23:21] <ObrienDave> genius_blueyes... a slow format could take 24 hours or so on USB2
[23:21] <ikonia> actually, I'm past caring, do what you want
[23:22] <genius_blueyes> I wonder can linux pass the quickformat
[23:22] <genius_blueyes> ?
[23:22] <reisio> mkntfs has an -f param
[23:22] <reisio> read a man page sometime :)
[23:22] <genius_blueyes> ah ha!!
[23:22] <genius_blueyes> im havin trouble cancelling my mkfs.ntfs job
[23:22] <genius_blueyes> heh
[23:22] <ObrienDave> Gparted can do a quick format on NTFS
[23:22] <reisio> pgrep -l ntfs
[23:22] <reisio> kill -9 numberHere
[23:23] <genius_blueyes> ah yes
[23:23] <genius_blueyes> ok
[23:23] <genius_blueyes> now im in biz
[23:23] <genius_blueyes> thx d00dz
[23:24] <dumb_caveman> :)
[23:24] <cuddylier> hi
[23:24] <cuddylier> Why does this bash script keep saying to use sleep --help? http://pastebin.com/HkXnEq82
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Noticed somthing quirky. I don a 'nmap -sP 192.168.11.*    on my home lan to see what pcs are up.. seems that sometimes it actually replies with the host names  and the ip. some times it dosent.. cant seem to figure out why its differing at times
[23:25] <ObrienDave> oh no! Dr_Willis has a question! be still my heart ;)
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> and i am evening reading the nmap man page. ;)
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> just now it showed the MAC addresses for the machines.. but not the hostname.
[23:26] <SunTsu> Dr_Willis: try running a working dns server? :)
[23:26] <reisio> cuddylier: probably because sleep takes an interval indicator; s for seconds, m for minutes
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> so im sort of confused as to why the out differs 3 differnt ways. on the same machine
[23:26] <cuddylier> I see
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> SunTsu:  it gave the hostnames earlier today when i ran a nmap from the console. now im ssh;d in and its not acting the same way.
[23:27] <reisio> cuddylier: only it works fine without it over here :p
[23:27] <cuddylier> Yeah..
[23:27] <cuddylier> Weird..
[23:27] <reisio> #bash
[23:29] <cuddylier> reisio: sleep: invalid time interval `10s\r'
[23:29] <cuddylier> So it's using stuff from the previous line?
[23:30] <reisio> cuddylier: oh
[23:30] <reisio> cuddylier: dos2unix
[23:30] <cuddylier> reisio: What do you mean by dos2unix?
[23:30] <reisio> it fixes newlines
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> good old carrage return + new line, vs just using  carrage returns.. :) been dealiong with this for decades
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> or was it just newlines..
[23:32] <grimeton> dos2unix is an alias for recode
[23:32] <grimeton> recode ibmpc:lat1
[23:32] <grimeton> or recode ibmpc..lat1
[23:32] <grimeton> depending on the version
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> cuddylier:  so this is in a script?  how was the script edited?
[23:33] <cuddylier> Using notepad++
[23:33] <cuddylier> On my PC
[23:33] <cuddylier> Then I uploaded it via FTP
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> cuddylier:  on a WINDOWS pc..
[23:33] <cuddylier> Yep..
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> that put the extra charactes in. :)
[23:33] <cuddylier> I'll redo it in nano
[23:33] <krnl-radio> hallo everyone!
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> some text editors can show the  special characters. Im not sure nano can
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> each line most likely has an extra  whitespace/character at the end.
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> took me ages to find this once.,
[23:34] <grimeton> it's a carriage return, newline on windows and just a newline on unices
[23:36] <krnl-radio> question: I'm working on installing the Rivendell radio program on this computer, and I want it to save sound files to an external hard drive
[23:36] <cuddylier> Yeah, all good now ;)
[23:36] <krnl-radio> i've found the local folder where the files are stored
[23:36] <krnl-radio> is there a way to make that folder reference a folder on the external?
[23:36] <grimeton> krnl-radio: it's called a symlink
[23:36] <grimeton> krnl-radio: man ls
[23:36] <grimeton> eer
[23:36] <grimeton> man ln
[23:37] <krnl-radio> lol
[23:37] <krnl-radio> kk
[23:38] <krnl-radio> k, that makes sense
[23:38] <krnl-radio> do i have to do anything to the folder that already exists to be able to link the external HDD folder to it?
[23:38] <grimeton> krnl-radio: yeah, delete it
[23:38] <krnl-radio> okay
[23:39] <krnl-radio> and then it'd be ln -s HDD_folder_path local_folder_path
[23:39] <krnl-radio> ?
[23:39] <grimeton> yes
[23:39] <krnl-radio> kk
[23:39] <krnl-radio> awesome!
[23:39] <krnl-radio> thanks
[23:39] <FloodBot1> krnl-radio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:39] <grimeton> heh?
[23:39] <Yowl> Is there someone who knows about LUKS andLVM on?
[23:39] <krnl-radio> i'm not sure. I guess it wants me to use periods instead of new lines...
[23:40] <grimeton> Yowl: yes
[23:40] <grimeton> krnl-radio: i guess it's just not configured correctly
[23:40] <Yowl> What does it mean for LVM to be inside LUKS, or visa versa? grimeton
[23:41] <grimeton> Yowl: lvm inside luks means that the volume manager can only access the volumes the moment the decryption takes place
[23:41] <grimeton> Yowl: it's pretty useless this way
[23:41] <grimeton> Yowl: do it the other way around
[23:41] <grimeton> encryption on top of a volume
[23:41] <grimeton> this way it makes more sense, gives you more flexibility and makes management a lot easier
[23:42] <reisio> half the point of lvm is to facilitate encryption
[23:42] <grimeton> wut?
[23:42] <dumb_caveman> how can I get around a usb2 limit?
[23:42] <dumb_caveman> fark
[23:43] <reisio> dumb_caveman: ?
[23:43] <Yowl> grimeton: I need to understand this on a more basic level, what qualifies as "inside". How do you make LVM be "inside" of LUKS? How do you stuff LUKS inside LVM?
[23:43] <grimeton> Yowl: you have to think of it as layers
[23:43] <dumb_caveman> I wish I hadz usb3
[23:43] <dumb_caveman> on this server
[23:43] <dumb_caveman> woo weee
[23:43] <grimeton> Yowl: you have the harddrive, which is the lowest layer
[23:44] <grimeton> Yowl: on top of that comes a partition
[23:44] <grimeton> (we assume this for now)
[23:44] <grimeton> then you put the encryption on top of the partition using luks
[23:44] <grimeton> and then you put lvm on top of the encrypted luks partition
[23:44] <grimeton> on top of that you put a lvm volume
[23:44] <grimeton> on top of that volume a filesystem
[23:45] <grimeton> and then you store stuff in that filesystem
[23:45] <grimeton> this way lvm is INSIDE luks, as luks is a layer below LVM
[23:45] <grimeton> the LVM stuff is only visible to the system when the decryption of the luks partition is taking place
[23:45] <Yowl> grimeton: What do you mean "put LVM on top"? By putting LVM on, do you mean assigning a volume that does not correspond with your partitions?
[23:46] <dumb_caveman> riddle me this: how is lvm over 8 drives better than raid 0 hardware raid?
[23:46] <grimeton> Yowl: hm, let's explain it different
[23:46] <grimeton> Yowl: you got your harddrive, let's say it is /dev/sda
[23:46] <grimeton> Yowl: then you create your partition "on top" which becomes /dev/sda1
[23:46] <dumb_caveman> whats luks?
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> dumb_caveman: this is support not chat.
[23:47] <SunTsu> dumb_caveman: because hardware raid is asking for problems in case the hw controller breaks and you need to replace it
[23:47] <grimeton> on top of this partition you create luks encryption which gives you a new device when you decrypt the partition, let's name it /dev/mapper/sda1.dec
[23:47] <dumb_caveman> what if the boot disk grub dies? in softraid?
[23:47] <Yowl> dumb_caveman: LUKS is a ubuntu encryption software for encrypting hard drive content
[23:47] <dumb_caveman> ah
[23:47] <grimeton> then you put lvm on /dev/sda1.dec which gives you a volume group let's call it luksvolumes
[23:47] <Yowl> well I don't know if its specifically ubuntus, but tied with linux anyway
[23:48] <grimeton> it will show up as /dev/luksvolumes/
[23:48] <grimeton> then yo create a volume on top of that, let's call it myvolume which will show up as /dev/luksvolumes/myvolume
[23:48] <grimeton> Yowl: you see how one thing depends on the thing before and is created "on top" of it?
[23:49] <Yowl> grimeston same issue putting LVM on, please explain this
[23:49] <grimeton> Yowl: ehm what?
[23:49] <leonardo_> hey there... i need help
[23:50] <Yowl> grimeton: Why do I want to turn it into "luksvolumes"?
[23:50] <reisio> leonardo_: yes, yes you do
[23:50] <leonardo_> how can I open a mac particion on xubuntu?
[23:50] <grimeton> Yowl: it's just a name that i used to show what happens next
[23:50] <grimeton> leonardo_: you can't
[23:50] <grimeton> at leat not in a safe way
[23:50] <grimeton> least
[23:50] <leonardo_> thanx
[23:50] <user13> holaaa
[23:50] <user13> what?
[23:51] <reisio> shalom
[23:51] <Yowl> grimeton: I know its not about the name, but why do I want LVM to make any change to the block device?
[23:51] <reisio> leonardo_: just mount it
[23:51] <user13> pene
[23:51] <user13> tits
[23:51] <reisio> leonardo_: sudo modprobe hfsplus beforehand if required
[23:51] <grimeton> Yowl: because lvm sits "on top" of those  block devices and uses them to store its data
[23:51] <user13> perra
[23:51] <user13> shit
[23:51] <leonardo_> oh... thanx reisio.... I'll try
[23:52] <Yowl> grimeton: dev/sda1.dec > dev/luksvolumes represents a chance in block device, or in a layer above block device, right? So why do I want to use LVM to make this change?
[23:53] <grimeton> Yowl: you asked for an explanation of lvm inside luks and that's what it is
[23:53] <Yowl> grimeton: Please answer the question so that I might understand your explanation of LVM inside of LUKS.
[23:54] <grimeton> Yowl: you have to create a volume group if you want to use lvm
[23:54] <MangaKaDenza> yo dawgz
[23:54] <leonardo_> please reisio... the mac particion is already mouted on xubuntu... but I can open some directories
[23:54] <MangaKaDenza> my packages be broke
[23:54] <grimeton> and that's what this change does. it creates the volume group on top of sda1.dec
[23:55] <leonardo_> i don't have permission
[23:55] <Yowl> grimeton: So in order for LVM to help me more safely resize a partition, I need it to create a volume group first?
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> MangaKaDenza: then fix them.
[23:55] <grimeton> Yowl: lvm? resize partition? i'm not sure that you know what LVM is and what it does
[23:55] <Yowl> grimeton: Even if the volume only represents one partition?
[23:56] <MangaKaDenza> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[23:56] <MangaKaDenza> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_raring-updates_universe_i18n_Translation-en%5fUS
[23:56] <MangaKaDenza> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[23:56] <MangaKaDenza> ^that damn error
[23:56] <grimeton> yes, LVM always needs underlying devices to create volume groups and inside volumes
[23:56] <Yowl> grimeton: Multiple sources have told me that LVM will help me resize a partition safely, or more specifically that it will help me recover the partition if the resizing goes wrong,  would you say this is wrong?
[23:57] <grimeton> Yowl: yes
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> MangaKaDenza: can open the sources.list?
[23:57] <Yowl> grimeston So LVM doesn't assist in resizing a partition in any way?
[23:57] <grimeton> Yowl: LVM doesn't even know about partitions
[23:57] <apb> Yowl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[23:58] <MangaKaDenza> wilee-nilee, nope
[23:58] <dustinspringman> are there, or are there coming any drivers for nvidia cards that will allow me to use my optimus hdmi port instead of having to use a mini-hdmi on my intel GPU? bumblebee is a pain in the rear... wish native drivers would work...
[23:58] <Yowl> apb: It's not about how to resize, its about how to increase my chances of safely doing so
[23:58] <grimeton> Yowl: LVM is a layer to make multiple drives/block devices/raid sets/anything you can store data on look as one big drive that you can then use to create "smaller drives" (block devices) that can then be used like a partition
[23:58] <apb> Yowl: Type carefully
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> MangaKaDenza: I mean with a text editor?
[23:59] <MangaKaDenza> yes
[23:59] <MangaKaDenza> I did that
[23:59] <Yowl> apb: ?
[23:59] <grimeton> Yowl: there is no data security involved in any way (no raid, no checksums, nothing)
[23:59] <grimeton> Yowl: and the problem with resizing is the filesystem in most of the cases
[23:59] <grimeton> not the partition


[04:14] <mazda01> how do I stop mythtv from starting in the frontend immediately upon booting up mythbuntu>?
[04:22] <mycosys> hi guys - when are the 'weekly' builds done, and is there some way to figure out what svn they are up to, and is there some sort of archive of them by their svns?
[07:07] <miatech> is anyone available for help
[07:09] <miatech> trying to get a hauppauge usb TV Tunner/ Recorder working with mythTV
[07:11] <miatech> by the way the OS is Ubuntu
[13:47] <mazda01> m trying to move over my mysql server to new a new machine. what do I need to do with the old machine mysql server? i have amarok, mythtv, and then there is a mysql and information_schema database. i ahve all the databases backed up into seperate files. I am not sure what to do next
[22:03] <gordonjcp> !upnp
[22:03] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about upnp
[22:03] <gordonjcp> does mythbuntu work as a upnp client?


 If anyone's interested I'm putting up Collabora Online (LibreOffice server) at collabora.adamoutler.com in the next 30 minutes
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 If you want your laptop. You must destroy ALL of your Apple deices
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 @KMyers -- Leave the 7th, back on the night of the 13th for SELF?
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 lol, good gosh
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 Technically my in-car WiFi has 30 GB of LTE data (+unlimited 2G). Streaming Media Services such as YouTube/NetFlix/Hulu/etc dont count at all
 that's awesome
 Late afternoon again?
 @Ivoriesablaze, Yes, but the day before I normally leave to allow time to get some real rest
 I think Telegram screwed up
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 I have to call BS
 I mean Apple has like 2 current phones and have a decent hold of smartphones vs androids millions of phones
 At&t sells Samsung smart watches.  That's where people buy them, I think. It makes sense to me.
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[21:46] <blackboxsw> falcojr: holmanb I know we're wrapping up some integration test fixes at the moment for the 23.1 release. I'm sort of inclined to take in the apport general hooks from bdrung if we have time. What do you think?
[21:47] <falcojr> blackboxsw: I think you both have reviewed it a lot closer than I have, so I'll defer to you
[21:47] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/2020 I want to get a couple of runs in on ec2/azure to validate, but I like the extra metadata on bugs
[21:47] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 2020 in canonical/cloud-init "Add Apport general hook" [Open]
[21:47] <falcojr> I have no problem adding anything at this point unless we think there's extra risk behind it
[21:48] <blackboxsw> the risk in my mind is `ubuntu-bug cloud-init` could fall over on systems where cloud-init has not run yet or (cloud-init clean was run).
[21:50] <blackboxsw> I'll give it a detailed review pass and see if we can't get an ok on that. rjschwei did you have any pressing needs for https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1997 to get it into our next 23.1 upstream release?
[21:50] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1997 in canonical/cloud-init "Support transactional-updates for SUSE based distros" [Open]
[21:51] <holmanb> no strong opinions on apport, my review was more of an early drive by "this doesn't seem right" type comment
[21:53] <blackboxsw> community-notice: Last call: Upstream cloud-init is intending to cut an upstream/timed release of version 23.1. Tuesday February 21.  If there are bugs or pull requests that need attention or review, please let us know and we will get eyes on them
[21:54] <blackboxsw> community-notice: we are wrapping up integration test and unit test verification on major clouds and will publish 21.3 upstream release on Tuesday if no other issues are discovered.
[22:11] <blackboxsw> thanks holmanb , and it's apport-related  so not really functionally related to upstream 23.1 release anyway. It's a packaging change for Ubuntu only
[22:14] <blackboxsw> by that logic though, maybe we should migrate cloudniit.apport.py out of upstream and into ubuntu/* packaging branches.