[00:24] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, i am now for a moment
[04:52] <ApOgEE> hi all
[10:56] <virgo> hi, when i have one folder open i cant open home directory by clicking the home icon on top left
[10:57] <coalwater> virgo, what does it do then?
[10:59] <virgo> it will open the directory window that was home directory before i moved to another folder in that window
[10:59] <virgo> so i cant open 2 directory windows with this home directory button
[10:59] <virgo> it does not recognize that i have moved away from the home directory location in that window
[11:04] <coalwater> what do u mean u moved the home
[11:05] <virgo> i mean when the home directory opens in window
[11:05] <virgo> i go to other location inside that window
[11:05] <coalwater> it opens the new location in a separate window?
[11:05] <virgo> but ubuntu still thinks that this is home directory window and doesnt open another
[11:06] <virgo> it would be good if ubuntu opens new window every time i click the home directory icon
[11:07] <virgo> but it just activates the window it opened for me at the first time i clicked the icon
[11:09] <coalwater> ok let me get this straight, u open nautilus, open few folders, and then click home and u want it to open a new home in a new window, (for file moving/copying i presume?)
[11:14] <virgo> yes
[11:15] <virgo> nautilus is the file/folder explorer program?
[11:17] <virgo> well, i guess it should do like it does, but i just dont like it
[12:25] <coalwater> virgo, u still here?
[12:25] <coalwater> sorry i kinda got distracted by work
[12:25] <coalwater> i have two ways to help you if you're still here
[12:38] <virgo> i am
[12:39] <virgo> well, i have to afk most of the time atm
[12:39] <virgo> but you can say, what you have in mind
[12:40] <virgo> i guess one solution would be to make 2 shortcuts to open 2 folders
[12:46] <coalwater> virgo, first, it would really help if you say the the name of the person who you're talking to, it gives me a notification, and ok, first way you could try pressing ctrl+
[12:46] <coalwater> ctrl+N , sorry pressed enter by mistake
[12:46] <coalwater> it opens a new window and in the home by default
[12:47] <coalwater> second way ( the way i prefer more ) you press F3, it splits the window to 2 panes, and u can navigate each separately, and open tabs in each , i do that a lot especially when one pane is local and the other is remote (FTP or SFTP)
[13:07] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, That F3 is great! I never knew that and I've been using Ubuntu since Gutsy. Is there somewhere that lists all function key bindings as well as other key combinations?
[13:08] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, i don't really remember how i found out about it, but it's in the view menu, called extra pane
[13:10] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, you can use tabs too, but i think ud probably know about that too
[13:10] <Sidewinder1> Thank you very much!
[13:10] <coalwater> the other ones are only navigational, f6 for example switches active pane
[13:11] <coalwater> alt + <=  back alt+ => forward , alt+ up =parent
[13:11] <coalwater> most of them are listed in the menus
[13:12] <coalwater> or all i guess
[13:12] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Yes, I am aware of some but it's kinda' a shame that there seems to be no all inclusive list.
[13:13] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, There probably is, somewhere, I just haven't run across it; if I did, I probably simply forgot. :-(
[13:21] <coalwater> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/410288 wish this bug could get fixed
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 410288 in gvfs "Nautilus does not handle FTP timeouts well" [Low,Triaged]
[13:21] <coalwater> sadly it's written in c or something, i can't fix it my self
[13:28] <virgo> thanks coalwater, the F3 does the job for me :)
[13:28] <coalwater> ok good
[13:28] <virgo> i hope i wont forget it :p
[13:28] <coalwater> it's in the view menu
[13:28] <coalwater> view > extra pane
[13:29] <virgo> yes
[13:30] <virgo> the ctrl+n opens more than one window
[13:36] <coalwater> virgo,  just 1 window , but if u press it more than once it opens more
[13:38] <virgo> i think i must not hold down the ctrl+n more than half second or so
[13:38] <virgo> else it opens more windows
[13:39] <coalwater> hold ctrl then do 1 key stroke on the letter N
[13:41] <virgo> ahh, it just opens duplicate from active window
[14:04] <coalwater> virgo, ctrl+N usually means 'new' in most applications, in nautilus it means open a new window
[14:22] <virgo> ok
[14:29] <virgo> i think the ubuntu software installing system is still not simple enough
[14:30] <virgo> because there are many application not in software center and need manual install
[14:30] <virgo> and this can be a pain
[14:30] <Sidewinder1> virgo, Do you use Synaptic Package Manager?
[14:31] <virgo> ubuntu software center
[14:31] <virgo> well, i do apt-get command too sometimes
[14:32] <virgo> and still have to download, extract, copy, install
[14:32] <virgo> some things manually
[14:33] <Sidewinder1> Synaptic is the graphical front end for apt. Last time I checked it listed over 33,000 pieces of various software available. System--> Administration--> Synaptic
[14:47] <coalwater> virgo, what are you trying to install
[15:17] <coalwater> there's this annoying bug, but i don't know what i should call it, it's when you call somethign from the sound menu for example like rhythmbox, or open a file , sometimes the program that should be opened doesn't aquire focus as it should, and when i want to close it, and i press the x button it closes the window below it, which in my case is usually firefox with loads of tabs open, which is very annoying, is there any one aware of any acti
[15:17] <coalwater> ve bug that is talking about this issue or not ?.
[15:25] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, I've never experienced the bug to which you refer; however in Firefox there is a config in preferrences to reopen FF with the tabs that were open when closed.Doesn't solve the prob. but might help with the aftereffects.
[15:26] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, i know it repoens but it is annoying :D
[15:27] <Sidewinder1> Know what you mean. :-(
[15:41] <coalwater> there was a confirm on close box, but i don't know what happened to i
[15:41] <coalwater> it
[15:47] <nlsthzn> Ok, I purchased an application in software center in 11.04, now reverted back to 10.04... anyway to install the app I paid for?!
[15:50] <Sidewinder1> What app?
[15:50] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: Volleybrawl :p
[15:53] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, Not familiar with that one; but if it was specifically written for 11.04 it might not work. Just try it in 10.04 if it doesn't work contact the supplier and if they won't provide a work-around, raise HELL. You did, afterall pay for it.
[15:54] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: the issue is that the software center in 10.04 doesn't give me the option to install applications from sources you need to pay for... so regardless if it works or not I cannot install it...
[15:57] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, Not that it'll solve your problem with this specific software, it won't. But I would respectfully suggest that you use: System--> Administration--> Synaptic Package Manager. It's superior to software center.
[15:57] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: your advice is irrelevant to my problem and also irrelevant period... I cannot see how you would suggest that...
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, Synaptic is simply a front-end GUI for the command line "apt-get".
[15:58] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: if needed I will then use apt-get
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> Sorry for trying to be of assistence.
[15:58] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: sorry for sounding ungrateful, not my intention... thanks for wanting to help
[15:59] <nlsthzn> it is appreciated!
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> No prob. :-)
[15:59] <nlsthzn> Sidewinder1: just note as this is "beginners" anything that can be done with software center should be done by ... well software center :p
[15:59] <coalwater> i think i've read there's something to install pre purchased apps, but i dont remember where
[16:00] <nlsthzn> coalwater: I will continue the google thing, cheers
[16:00] <coalwater> nlsthzn, in software center, choose file menu, i think ull find it there
[16:01] <coalwater> file > install previous purchases
[16:02] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Wow, I never knew that!
[16:03] <coalwater> guess i just look around a lot :P
[16:03] <nlsthzn> coalwater: nope... I only have a grayed out option for install... using Lucid... and from the creators at OMGUbuntu it seems it is for 10.10 and above... cheers
[16:04] <coalwater> i dont think there was a purchase option back then
[16:04] <holstein> nlsthzn: what about a PPA for a newer software center in 10.04 ?
[16:05] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center for example
[16:05] <holstein> i think thats the deal though... 10.04 didnt have that functionality yet*
[16:05] <nlsthzn> coalwater: there isn't
[16:05] <nlsthzn> holstein: which is ironic as 10.04 is the flagship product :/
[16:06] <holstein> well, its the LTS
[16:06]  * nlsthzn waves at ApOgEE ... Hey Commander Keen :p
[16:06] <holstein> the center wasnt for that pupose back then
[16:07] <nlsthzn> holstein: I am sure it is more than matured to be added (or made available somehow)
[16:07] <holstein> nlsthzn: they wont rev it that far. anything really
[16:07] <holstein> PPA's are an option for that though, in theory
[16:08] <nlsthzn> holstein: funny that noone has done it then :/
[16:08] <holstein> well, not very many people are where you are, reverting to 10.04
[16:08] <holstein> i do know, all of those issues are being addressed
[16:09] <nlsthzn> holstein: and what about those that chose to stay...
[16:09] <nlsthzn> not the best thanks for using LTS is it :p
[16:09] <holstein> i mean, what if you buy an app, and want to move to fedora for example
[16:09] <holstein> nlsthzn: but you're not using the LTS. the LTS didnt have that functionality
[16:09] <holstein> you are asking to port functionality back to the LTS
[16:10] <holstein> and thats do-able, but not trivial. especially for something as core as the software center
[16:11] <nlsthzn> holstein: ... k ... just wondering that if there was any apps people saw others using and they where on LTS it is sad they won't get the oppertunity to use them because the functionality isn't given to them...
[16:11] <holstein> nlsthzn: seems like i remember reading that everything syncs with your ubuntuone account. maybe someone it the ubuntuone channel might have encountered this
[16:12] <holstein> everything = your software purchases
[16:12] <nlsthzn> holstein: I know music does... but not seeing anything about the app ... maybe I will ask
[16:13] <nlsthzn> thanks
[16:13] <holstein> what you are trying to do is the equivalent of asking the firefox 3 version in 10.04 to do something firefox4 does
[16:13] <holstein> personally, i just use a PPA to get FF4 in 10.04
[16:14] <nlsthzn> holstein: I understand that.. however, FF4 could be added to 10.04 or like you said, there are PPA's for it at least (btw, could you point me to such a ppa :p for FF)
[16:15] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable is the one i use
[16:16] <holstein> also, im wondering if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center adds puchase functionality to the software center in lucid
[16:16] <holstein> purchase*
[16:16] <holstein> you could always message the maintainer
[16:18] <nlsthzn> holstein: from the net they said they would support 10.10 and 11.04... but I think it has all to do with the fact that you have to purchase it (and in those distro's you can)
[16:18] <holstein> right. 10.04 did *not* have purchase functionality by default
[16:19] <nlsthzn> holstein: and it seems the functionallity isn't availble in 10.04 in any way
[16:20] <holstein> nlsthzn: you checked on that PPA ?
[16:20] <Sidewinder1> nlsthzn, And since you did purchase it they certainly should supply you with another copy that you can install it 10.10; if they won't, as I said earlier, I'd raise hell!
[16:21] <JackyAlcine> Sidewinder1, like an upgraded version?
[16:21] <holstein> Sidewinder1: 10.04* thats the issue
[16:21] <Sidewinder1> Perhaps, he paid for it; they should be more than willing to help solve his problem.
[16:22] <nlsthzn> They did say works in 10.10 and greater... I will check out the other PPA... just installing FF4 quickly :p
[16:22] <holstein> sure, the vendor should, and they say clearly what versions are supported, and 10.04 aint one of them ^
[16:22] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Didn't he state earlier that "they" said it would work in 10.10 and 11.04?
[16:22] <holstein> Sidewinder1: yeah, but nlsthzn is interested in 10.04 support
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> OIC, 10
[16:23]  * nlsthzn isn't to bothered about a $3 app... the game sucks actually :p however just wondering about the implication of not letting all the 10.04 users purchase stuff
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> .04
[16:23] <holstein> yup
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> my bad
[16:23] <holstein> nlsthzn: theres a reason why that was not pushed to the LTS. it wasnt ready yet
[16:24] <holstein> theres not implication really, it just wasnt ready
[16:24] <JackyAlcine> Indeed.
[16:25] <nlsthzn> holstein: again... 1 year after release it is ready... and the implication is I can't get the software that is there for purcashing... that is money I can't spend, and who ever can't receive
[16:25] <holstein> thats always the case. to stay with the LTS, or take advantage of some new technology
[16:25] <Sidewinder1> JackyAlcine, Sounds like Tealk
[16:25] <holstein> via PPA, you can only do so much
[16:25] <holstein> the stability of the LTS is its own perk*
[16:25] <Sidewinder1> From Stargate...SG1.
[16:25] <holstein> nlsthzn: core components dont get updated like that
[16:26] <holstein> nlsthzn: for example, you are having a serious issue with a purchase. you cant downgrade, or run it in another distro
[16:26] <holstein> these are things that, in theory, will be adressed before the software center version in the next LTS
[16:27] <nlsthzn> ... great... so rolling release is crap cause it will break... and LTS is just to old fashioned... one of the core benifits of FOSS is bested by Microsoft... sure the OS is old, buggy, sucks, but you will be able to install the latest and best applications for it
[16:27] <holstein> EVERYTHING the software center does in 10.04 is stable
[16:27] <nlsthzn> holstein: you mean the little software center does is stable :p
[16:28] <holstein> nlsthzn: however you need to frame it, its stable none the less
[16:28] <JackyAlcine> I love SG1! It's my Plymouth loading theme :D
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> Personally, I prefer LTS...To each his/her own.
[16:28] <nlsthzn> holstein: k... guess it is still a tad better than Debian... well, for now
[16:28] <holstein> its just different*
[16:29]  * nlsthzn suppresses the urge to dist-upgrade (twice)
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> BTW, greetings holstein
[16:30] <nlsthzn> thanks for the assistance guys, appreciated!
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> BRB..
[16:30] <holstein> Sidewinder1: o/ :)
[16:31] <holstein> nlsthzn: sure, anytime... i know these issues can become challening.
[16:31] <nlsthzn> at least I got to go up to FF4 from the help :p
[16:31] <virgo> is it possible to copy files with root rights without terminal?
[16:31] <coalwater> start nautilus with root
[16:32] <coalwater> open a terminal then run sudo nautilus
[16:32] <holstein> nlsthzn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9988827 < theres a forum post with that same question
[16:32] <virgo> yeah, thanks
[16:34] <nlsthzn> coalwater: did you check out the thread?
[16:51] <JackyAlcine> How do you get window buttons in the panel in 11.04 without Unity?
[16:52] <holstein> JackyAlcine: there was a pacakge called maximus for the old netbook remix
[16:54] <holstein> looks like its still around http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=maximus&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> Yup; just apt-cache search'd it.
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> Hopefully; it'd also with the gnome-panel panel addition dialog to add those buttons to the panel.
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> Unity's cool and all, but I can't use.
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> *use it
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Just so you're aware, it's "gksudo" for launching graphical apps with root ptivleged
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> privileges
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> !gksudo
[16:59] <ubot2> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[17:00] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, i always use sudo and it works, i dunno what's the difference
[17:01] <coalwater> maybe it's not kept bound by the terminal that launched it ?
[17:03] <coalwater> hm ok, guess there's more to it, i've read the link
[17:04] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Check out the ubot2 link. Do not ever run Firefox (not that you ever would) with sudo; it'll really foul up permissions and other things.
[17:05] <coalwater> Sidewinder1, yea i checked it
[17:05] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Even gedit should be run with gksudo...
[17:05]  * holstein ran sudo firefox once
[17:05] <coalwater> though i didn't understand most of it but yea i get the msg, no sudo gui
[17:05] <holstein> thats all it took :)
[17:05] <Sidewinder1> :-)
[17:06] <Sidewinder1> Experience CAN be the best teacher; but, she's damn expensive! :-)
[17:07] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, coalwater's new mantra: no sudo gui, no sudo gui... :-)
[17:07] <coalwater> lol
[17:08] <Sidewinder1> Now I know I'm getting too old; I'm actaully having fun.
[17:11] <coalwater> fun is old?
[17:12]  * Sidewinder1 Goes for luagh; no get.
[17:12] <Sidewinder1> laugh
[17:31] <virgo> when i do ./bootstrap it says permission denied, but when i do sudo ./bootstrap it says "command not found"
[17:32] <virgo> i may be have to make the files executable
[17:34] <coalwater> is that a runnable file?
[17:35] <virgo> i dunno, the readme says i should do like that
[17:36] <virgo> Steps to build on Linux: ./bootstrap ./configure ./make && ./make install
[17:37] <coalwater> ok, try to skip the ./bootstrap, i never heard of it, and btw not all apps are installed like that
[17:40] <virgo> may be it doesn like that the folder belongs to root
[17:42] <virgo> nope, still nothing
[17:48] <Sidewinder1> compiling from source in #ubuntu-beginners; Wow, we've come a long way. :-)
[17:51] <virgo> i think i dont need to compile this, thats why ubuntu dont let me
[17:55] <virgo> that happens, when ubuntu-beginner (me) wants to do things he cant
[17:59] <Sidewinder1> You can; there's just a learning curve involved. For instance, I know how to compile from source, but have never done so 'cause I haven't had the need. I love Synaptic...
[18:01] <Sidewinder1> It handles dependencies and a myriad of other important issues. I subscribe to the "kiss" principle: Keep It Simple Stupid....Which I sometimes am; according to my wife, more often than not...:-)
[18:01] <virgo> lol
[18:02] <virgo> so this synaptic is better than software center?
[18:02] <Sidewinder1> But she's a winbloze person, go figure...What she doesn't know won't hurt her...
[18:03] <Sidewinder1> Absolutely! It's simply a gui, front-end for apt-get.
[18:03] <coalwater> virgo,  u never said what u are trying to isntall
[18:04] <Sidewinder1> virgo, System-->Administration-->Synaptic Package Manager
[18:04] <virgo> i want to compile Ogre3d c project with Code::Blocks
[18:04] <coalwater> does the folder contain a file called INSTALL or something
[18:05] <Sidewinder1> Totally beyond my abilities
[18:06] <Sidewinder1> virgo, Usually the source code that you download will have specific instructions in a "readme" file...
[18:06] <virgo> yeah, that what i was following
[18:06] <virgo> anyway, i will go some steps back and try read more instructions, tutorials, when i have time
[18:07] <coalwater> are u sure u meet all the requirements
[18:07] <virgo> i hate to get stuck with unexpected errors when i follow the insturctions
[18:07] <virgo> im not sure at anything
[18:07] <coalwater> add a write to file and post the output in the pastebin
[18:07] <virgo> i must investigate more, but i be afk now for some time
[18:07] <coalwater> ./configure > output.txt
[18:08] <coalwater> then open output.txt and paste the content in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:08] <coalwater> and give us the link
[18:08] <stlsaint> cat output.txt | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com :D
[18:09] <stlsaint> that could be a one liner really
[18:09] <virgo> the output is too simple for saving to file: No such file or directory
[18:09] <coalwater> no errors?
[18:09] <braiam> or pastebinit -i output.txt :D
[18:09] <virgo> no
[18:09] <coalwater> i need to install it first right?
[18:10] <braiam> stlsaint: why -b?
[18:12] <coalwater> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611496/ cool lol
[18:12] <coalwater> echo 'this is a test' | pastebinit -a coalwater
[18:13] <coalwater> anyway, brb
[18:16] <stlsaint> braiam: lets you choose the paste site to use
[18:17] <braiam> stlsaint: but paste.ubuntu.com is the default :)
[18:17] <stlsaint> braiam: well i like to use options hehe, oh and its not the default
[18:18] <stlsaint> pastebin.com is/was the default from what i can tell
[18:18] <braiam> not now stlsaint "b <pastebin url:el predeterminado es «http://paste.ubuntu.com»>"
[18:19] <stlsaint> braiam: then you set that
[18:19] <stlsaint> but if you run ls -l | pastebinit you will get a pastebin.com site on a default installation (unless you went from another persons ppa)
[18:20] <coalwater> pastebinit -h and ull see
[18:21] <coalwater> lol no
[18:21] <coalwater> it will list ur files and post it
[18:21] <coalwater> pastebinit -l  how to list the sites
[18:22] <braiam> stlsaint: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611504/
[18:22] <braiam> i use no ppa, unless it wasn't in the repos
[18:24] <stlsaint> braiam: what distro you using?
[18:24] <braiam> natty stlsaint
[18:24] <stlsaint> braiam: aye i am on lucid
[18:24] <stlsaint> different builds
[18:25] <braiam> o.o
[18:58] <Sidewinder1> I still don't understand the "voice" thingy???
[18:59] <Puck`> it shows who are team members (:
[18:59] <Sidewinder1> team? Thought it was 'cause I use X-chat w/out sound?
[19:00] <Puck`> erm ... nope, it has nothing to do with sound
[19:01] <Sidewinder1> Team must obviously different from ops...
[19:01] <Sidewinder1> be
[19:03] <Sidewinder1> Guess I'll have to go search..
[19:04] <holstein> the voice flag doesnt indicate that here, it just indicates an ubuntu member
[19:04] <holstein> everyone has voice AFAIK, just by joining
[19:05] <Sidewinder1> member being one who has contributed ($) ?
[19:06] <holstein> Sidewinder1: ubuntu member
[19:06] <Sidewinder1> BRB, Wifey calls...
[19:06] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[19:06] <Sidewinder1> Thanx holstein
[19:06] <holstein> Sidewinder1: sure
[19:07] <moose_man_1957> I am having a problem trying to install Ubuntu server 11.04
[19:08] <moose_man_1957> it hangs asking me for disc labelled Ubuntu-Server 11.04 _Natty Narwhal_
[19:08] <moose_man_1957> but that is not the disk created from the download
[19:09] <holstein> moose_man_1957: you *should* install server 10.04 version
[19:10] <holstein> moose_man_1957: are you trying USB boot/install?
[19:10] <moose_man_1957> cd
[19:11] <moose_man_1957> the image created has a different name for the cd
[19:11] <holstein> im not sure what the issue is, but the usual thing is to check the md5 sum of the download and the source
[19:11] <moose_man_1957> does not have Natty Narwhale
[19:12] <holstein> moose_man_1957: i would suggest http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ and scroll down to the server iso
[19:14] <moose_man_1957> I will give that a try
[19:14] <holstein> 10.04 is a long term support release, supported for 5 years on the server
[19:14] <moose_man_1957> how do I respond to your messages so that your nick name appears
[19:15] <moose_man_1957> I am new
[19:15] <holstein> moose_man_1957: you can use tab
[19:15] <holstein> type hol and hit tab
[19:15] <moose_man_1957> holstein: ah much appreciated
[19:15] <holstein> type h and hit tab a bunch, and you'll scroll through the h's
[19:15] <holstein> moose_man_1957: anytime
[19:15] <moose_man_1957> holstein: awesome
[19:39]  * Sidewinder1 Glad there's not too many "sides"...;-)
[19:39] <holstein> quite a few s's though
[19:42] <leex> hi
[19:43] <holstein> leex: o/
[19:43] <Sidewinder1> Nice to know there's all these folks available to provide assistence.
[19:43] <holstein> my first suggestion is going to be confirming the md5 sums of the iso's you downloaded
[19:44] <leex> holstein: been there, done that
[19:44] <holstein> leex: this is an alternate installer?
[19:44] <leex> holstein: yes
[19:44] <holstein> from CD ?
[19:44] <holstein> *not USB stick
[19:44] <leex> because the desktop doesnt hold crypto ...
[19:44] <leex> from USB
[19:44] <holstein> pretty sure thats going to be the issue
[19:45] <holstein> can you use a disc?
[19:45] <leex> my machine doesn't have CD drive
[19:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[19:46] <holstein> http://die-klapsmuehle.org/2010/02/21/ubuntu-alternate-von-usb-stick-installieren/
[19:47] <holstein> leex: i seem to remember a different error though, what was the error you get again?
[19:48] <leex> I was getting the error: A Step failed. Select and install software
[19:48] <holstein> the ubuntustudio iso i deal with a lot uses the alternate installer
[19:49] <holstein> the error message when trying to install from USB was something like 'cannot locate install media'
[19:50] <holstein> the select and install software message... i saw that when we had issues with the ubuntustudio metapackages being uninstallable
[19:51] <leex> so for everyone else: I am currently trying to install from a USB stick, using the alternate amd64 installer as well as the amd64 daily alternate installer, I manually decrypt my disks to reuse them for installation (don't want to move my home, or change my LVM), it works well until I reach select and install software, where it fails
[19:51] <holstein> leex: are you able to get to the select software step? if so, try not installing whatever is failing, and apt-get it later
[19:51] <leex> holstein: but I am not using ubuntustudio
[19:51] <leex> holstein: how can I see with package failed?
[19:51] <holstein> leex: right, HOWEVER, they are both alternate installers, so im trying to pool and share my experience
[19:51] <leex> and how can I resume installing all the other packages?
[19:52] <holstein> leex: theres a step in the alternate installer, near the end of the list
[19:53] <holstein> makes a webserver (if you are online) on the failed install, and allows you to get at some logs
[19:53] <leex> holstein: k I will try that
[19:53] <holstein> leex: with ubuntustudio, when i chose *not* to install any pacakges, the installation went through as usual
[19:53] <holstein> and i just installed the metas afterwards
[19:54] <holstein> leex: i would suggest trying the 10.04 alternate, that could be a bug in the alternate installer with whatever configuration you are trying to setup
[19:55] <leex> holstein: I need at least 38-r3 because of my hardware, my nic won't work with an older kernel version
[19:55] <holstein> leex: get that failing log report then, and we'll see who we can find to look at it :)
[19:56] <holstein> unless you want to run a different kernel in lucid
[19:58] <leex> k, I will get some food and post the result in asap, about in an hour ;)
[20:12] <Sidewinder1> We all need to consume fuel. :-)
[20:13]  * coalwater is back :P
[20:16] <virgo> great
[20:16] <coalwater> oh my, more questions? jk
[20:16] <virgo> no
[20:16] <coalwater> :D lol, was just kidding anyway
[20:17] <virgo> no, i mean great, that you were afk
[20:17] <coalwater> did u manage to compile that thing of urs
[20:17] <virgo> jk
[20:17] <virgo> i was afk aswell
[20:18] <virgo> i dont want to compile that thing anymore
[20:18] <virgo> because im not sure it is the correct way
[20:18] <virgo> i was messing with the pastebinit also :p
[20:19] <virgo> cool thing
[20:20] <leex> installing the base system right now
[20:21] <virgo> i just add "| pastebinit -a virgo" after terminal command and get it posted to internet
[20:21] <coalwater> yup
[20:23] <virgo> coalwater: you got alot of free time that you just stay in irc and help others?
[20:25] <coalwater> virgo,  not at all, i only have time to work and study for an hour or so at home and sleep, but i keep the irc client on whenever im around, whenever someone mentions my name i just check what's around, i do check what people are talking about every now and then though
[20:26] <coalwater> i wish i had free time, at least i would have more time to study what i want to learn
[20:27] <virgo> i must never type your name then, else ill interrupt your studing
[20:27] <kristian_> hi again, ppl
[20:27] <virgo> hi
[20:28] <coalwater> hi kristian_
[20:28] <kristian_> hi coalwater , virgo
[20:28] <kristian_> still contemplating the cloud backup/ssh thing
[20:29] <kristian_> what would be nice was an account that I could mount via sshfs
[20:29] <coalwater> so virgo  its really useful to just yell people's name when ur talking, dont think any one just keeps his irc client on and keeps reading lol
[20:37] <kristian_> anyone know of a free webspace provider where I can use sshfs?
[20:50] <coalwater> kristian_, isn't that a lil too much to be free lol
[20:50] <leex> well this time, using the expert mode and not choosing to install any software at all, i managed through select and install software, but restarting the sytem results in grub error 15, so how does ubuntu handle its grub? coming from gentoo there is too much autoconfig stuff for me :)
[20:51] <kristian_> coalwater, I just asked about this on #ubuntuone as I can't find it on their website
[20:53] <escott> leex, depends on what version of grub for grub2 there is an os-prober tool which finds other os partitions and a grub-mkconfig which builds the grub.cfg file using inputs from /etc/default/grub
[20:53] <moose_man_1957> holstein: you still there
[20:54] <holstein> moose_man_1957: o/
[20:56] <moose_man_1957> same basic error trying to instal 10.04
[20:57] <Error404NotFound> oi
[20:57] <moose_man_1957> keeps asking for a different labeled disk
[20:58] <holstein> moose_man_1957: labeled?
[20:58] <holstein> not sure what you mean... whats the error?
[20:59] <moose_man_1957> the window is [!!] Install the base system
[20:59] <holstein> moose_man_1957: this is an alternate iso?
[20:59] <holstein> OH
[21:00] <holstein> server
[21:00] <holstein> im remembering now :)
[21:00] <holstein> had to look back at the scroll*
[21:00] <moose_man_1957> yes server ;-)
[21:00] <holstein> well, i can assure you thats the iso i used
[21:00] <holstein> moose_man_1957: can you get a normal live CD to do anything?
[21:01] <holstein> moose_man_1957: and, you did confirm the md5 sum?
[21:01] <moose_man_1957> Please insert disk Labeled: 'Unbuntu-Server 10.04.2 LTS _Lucid Lynx
[21:01] <moose_man_1957> holstein: how to confirm md5 sum
[21:02] <leex> escott: so if I get grub error 15, I just have to cryptsetup and chroot and then us the os-prober, grub-mkconfig and grub-install?
[21:03] <holstein> moose_man_1957: you can run in a terminal md5sum /path/to/image
[21:03] <leex> *use
[21:03] <holstein> and look online for the sum from canonnical
[21:03] <escott> leex, confirm your grub version first. is it 1 or 2
[21:03] <leex> 2
[21:04] <moose_man_1957> holstein: remember if I were any greener I would still be in the ground
[21:04] <holstein> moose_man_1957: what would you like clarification about?
[21:04] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I put the cd into this liux machine what now
[21:05] <leex> escott: 2
[21:05] <moose_man_1957> holstein:  terminal command
[21:05] <holstein> moose_man_1957: im suggesting that you confirm the md5 sum of the downloaded iso image
[21:05] <holstein> in a terminal: md5sum /home/you/Downloads/ubuntu.iso
[21:05] <holstein> *for example
[21:06] <holstein> then, you compare the # you get with the # that is on the site where you downloaded
[21:06] <escott> leex, i don't know the crypt related stuff, but otherwise yes. chroot, grub-mkconfig, and if you think the mbr is hosed grub-install /dev/sda
[21:06] <escott> leex, you don't run os-prober, grub-mkconfig does
[21:06] <escott> !grub | leex
[21:07] <ubot2> leex: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[21:14] <moose_man_1957> holstein: the cd is in my cd drive how do I reference it
[21:15] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I thought /media / Ubuntu-Server....
[21:16] <moose_man_1957> holstein: Thank you for your patience
[21:25] <holstein> moose_man_1957: i would suggest going for the downloaded imgage
[21:25] <holstein> image*
[21:25] <holstein> moose_man_1957: also, you might want to just install the normal ubuntu verion, assuming you have enough resources
[21:25] <holstein> you can use that installation as a server installation*
[21:28] <moose_man_1957> holstein:
[21:29] <moose_man_1957> holstein: so you are saying if I install 11.04 desktop on the machine I can use it as a server, this is just for a home network as I want my photos and music on a server
[21:30] <holstein> moose_man_1957: sure, and that might be easier for you to handle
[21:30] <holstein> having a GUI and all that can be quite helpful when you first land in linux
[21:30] <moose_man_1957> holstein: agreed
[21:30] <holstein> theres also solutions like http://www.turnkeylinux.org/fileserver
[21:30] <holstein> ^ thats based on ubuntu 10.04
[21:31] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I have been on windows for ever, but I am technical and was a programmer
[21:31] <moose_man_1957> holstein: you are most kind sir
[21:31] <holstein> moose_man_1957: OK, so you'll be fine then either way :)
[21:32] <moose_man_1957> holstein: I will read the turnkey solution you have provided
[21:32] <holstein> moose_man_1957: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1756948
[21:33] <holstein> not really a solution, just someone with that same issue
[21:33] <holstein> moose_man_1957: do you have raid?
[21:34] <holstein> i keep thinking you have some kind of hardward configuration that im not familiar with, and that is not totally 'out-of-the-box' easy
[21:35] <moose_man_1957> holstein: no I have a simple older computer with a couple of 80gig drives nothing exceptional about the hardware
[21:36] <moose_man_1957> the forum you pointed me to is the exact problem
[21:36] <moose_man_1957> maybe I will download to this box and burn it here
[22:20] <philipballew> i just replaced a bunch of hardware and now my speakers dont play sound. anyone wanna tackle this with me?
[22:23] <Error404NotFound> did you go into sound preferences to make sure the right device is enabled?
[22:24] <philipballew> like sound prefferences? yeah. but im not sure what to do there exactly
[22:24] <Error404NotFound> did you replace sound card?
[22:24] <philipballew> the sound plays from head phones and not the speakers
[22:24] <philipballew> i replaces motherboard. fan and heatsink
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> so onboard sound?
[22:25] <philipballew> its a laptop
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> ok
[22:25] <Error404NotFound> go to output in sound preferences
[22:25] <philipballew> alright. there now :)
[22:26] <Error404NotFound> is there only one device for sound?
[22:26] <philipballew> yes
[22:26] <Error404NotFound> not muted
[22:27] <philipballew>  no and its connector is analog speakers
[22:27] <Error404NotFound> is connector set to analog output/aplified?
[22:27] <philipballew> ^one above you
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> set to aplifier
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> amplifier even
[22:29] <philipballew> it only has the option for analog speakers, analog output and analog headphones
[22:31] <Error404NotFound> change to analog speakers
[22:32] <Error404NotFound> that should be it
[22:32] <Error404NotFound> speakers worked b4 i assume?
[22:32] <philipballew> thats what its on actually
[22:32] <philipballew> yeah. they worked before hardware change
[22:32] <philipballew> but i can get sound to beep on the bios
[22:33] <Error404NotFound> nothing to do with sound
[22:33] <Error404NotFound> its just a little internal beeper thingy lol
[22:33] <philipballew> it seemed to be coming from the speakers?
[22:34] <philipballew> maybe not
[22:34] <coalwater> idk if this helps ,but i think the bot had some help about sound
[22:34] <coalwater> !sound
[22:34] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[22:34] <coalwater> there u go, hope this helps somehow
[22:35] <philipballew> alright. thanks!!!
[22:39] <escott> philipballew, you can also try hda_analyzer for onboard intel sound problems, its a bit less beginner friendly but it usually works
[23:04] <coalwater> my gnome-panel appears with no styles at all, it gives me that ugly classic theme, how can i reset this, it seems to be some bad settings or something
[23:05] <escott> coalwater, does it work properly when you logout/login?
[23:06] <Error404NotFound> go to system settings
[23:06] <Error404NotFound> login
[23:06] <coalwater> it like starts good, but then crashes and goes bad
[23:06] <coalwater> not crashes, it just acts like that u know
[23:06] <coalwater> i think it loads something that does that
[23:07] <escott> coalwater, ps aux | grep settings is gnome-settings-daemon running
[23:10] <coalwater> could u say what exactly  i shoudl write, cause it says it doesn't exist or something
[23:10] <coalwater> but the daemon is running when i tried it alone
[23:14] <coalwater> ok if i want to delete all its settings file, where could i find that
[23:18] <escott> coalwater, "ps aux | grep settings" is gnome-settings-daemon listed?
[23:18] <coalwater> yea, it is
[23:21] <coalwater> i killed it, then restarted it, and it worked, but i dont know if this will work every time or not
[23:22] <escott> coalwater, i had some issues with race conditions before, where some things like nautilus were loading before gnome-settings-daemon could read the theme out of dconf
[23:23] <coalwater> it's not bothering me much, it's a virtual box machine that i only use for coding and branching, but it would be nice if i could fix it
[23:24] <coalwater> restarting and ill see what happens
[23:26] <coalwater> still bad lol, o well


[01:39] <LaserJock> any code hosting people around?
[01:39] <mwhudson> yes
[01:40] <LaserJock> mwhudson: do you happen to know if a team changes name if that breaks associated bzr branches?
[01:41] <mwhudson> it breaks the urls, yes
[01:41] <LaserJock> but in Launchpad the urls get updated?
[01:41] <mwhudson> the branches themselves are fine of course, but i'm guessing that's not what you really mean
[01:41] <mwhudson> LaserJock: yes
[01:41] <LaserJock> no, I mean in Launchpad itself
[01:41] <LaserJock> I'm not so concerned about people who have existing branches
[01:42] <mwhudson> everything in launchpad is resilient to name changes, pretty much
[01:42] <mwhudson> (it's almost like there's a database with lots of foreign key references behind everything...)
[01:43] <LaserJock> who'da thunk it?!
[01:43] <mwhudson> i think maybe ppa's break if you change team/person name, i can't remember the details
[01:43] <mwhudson> but branches are certainly fine
[01:43] <LaserJock> yeah, PPAs are a bit interesting
[03:36] <emgent> barry-away: thanks for reply :)
[07:27] <gnomefreak> anyone here yet? i know its early
[07:28] <Hobbsee> no
[07:29] <gnomefreak> i have a wiki that isnt able to be edited its a */community/* as far as i know its what was named wiki
[07:29] <gnomefreak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxFAQ
[10:06] <beuno> mpt, gooooood morning!  Are you here yet?
[10:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:30] <mpt> Good morning beuno!
[10:30] <wgrant> Hello mpt.
[10:31] <beuno> mpt, let me know when you can chat for a bit
[10:31] <mpt> beuno, any time
[10:31] <beuno> mpt, I'll hunt you down in a minute then  :)
[10:36] <qball> morning mpt
[10:37]  * qball needs to trick people into translating his app.
[10:38] <persia> qball: Rule #72 from the handbook of sneaky people: never disclose your motives
[10:44] <qball> damn couldn't you have said that sooner
[10:44] <qball> where can  I get that book.
[10:59] <mtaylor> BjornT: Bug 74449 "Fix Released"... I don't see it on Edge - do I need to do something to register the upstream tracker?
[10:59] <mtaylor> haha
[10:59] <mtaylor> my email is quicker than ubott
[10:59] <mtaylor> my email is quicker than ubottu
[11:05] <BjornT> mtaylor: hmm. looks like that bug isn't fixed after all. i'll look into it.
[11:05] <mtaylor> :) thanks
[11:22] <therve> jamesh: need any more info?
[11:22] <therve> jamesh: this is pretty critical for me :/
[11:23] <BjornT> mtaylor: it looks like it works if you specify the long version for the url, e.g. http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=24788
[11:23] <BjornT> mtaylor: i'll see if we can get the short version work as well.
[11:23] <mtaylor> BjornT: aroo?
[11:24] <mtaylor> BjornT: perhaps we're talking about different areas?
[11:24] <mtaylor> I was talking about listing bugs.mysql.com as the upstream bug tracker for a project - and it doesn't seem to be in the list...
[11:24] <mtaylor> but now I'm really interested in what _you_ are talking about :)
[11:26] <BjornT> mtaylor: oh :) i thought that you wanted to link to bugs in that bug tracker from launchpad.
[11:26] <mtaylor> well, that too
[11:27] <mtaylor> I think I'm starting to understand that there are two concepts here
[11:27] <BjornT> mtaylor: ok. so to link bugs, then you need to use the long version for the url for now. the first time you link to such a bug, the bug tracker will be registered automatically
[11:27] <mtaylor> gotcha
[11:28]  * siretart waves to mrevell
[11:28] <BjornT> mtaylor: but if you want, you can register the bug tracker at https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker
[11:28] <mrevell> Hi siretart!
[11:28] <BjornT> mtaylor: choose "PHP Project Bugtracker" as the type
[11:29] <siretart> I've just read your mail, and though I'd ping you that I'm already here for some time :)
[11:30] <mrevell> siretart: Great. Give me five minutes to get a cup of tea and I'll ping you.
[11:31] <siretart> mrevell: no hurry. I'm currently at work and have a meeting in about an hour, but will be available again later
[11:34] <mrevell> siretart: Cool, when's the best time for you to talk?
[11:35] <therve> I've changed my email-address in launchpad, and I can't connect anymore
[11:35] <therve> login fails with "This account cannot be used."
[11:35] <therve> does anyone have a clue?
[11:38] <mrevell> siretart: Sorry, machine froze, so I'm not sure if you replied.
[11:38] <siretart> not yet :) - was fetching coffee
[11:39] <mrevell> heh :)
[11:39] <siretart> I should be more available at 13:30 UTC, the meeting is scheduled to end by 13:00 UTC
[11:40] <lifeless> therve: have you validated the new email ?
[11:40] <therve> lifeless: indeed
[11:40] <therve> lifeless: I have also tried to reset the password
[11:40] <lifeless> therve: and you are logging in with the new email ?
[11:41] <therve> lifeless: both fail
[11:41] <lifeless> therve: and you are logging in with the new email ?
[11:41] <therve> lifeless: yes
[11:41] <therve> lifeless: and with old too
[11:41] <therve> lifeless: both fail
[11:41] <lifeless> it could be a cookie issue
[11:41] <lifeless> can you clear all launchpad.net cookies from your browser
[11:41] <therve> ok I try
[11:42] <spiv> There's a bug about changing email addresses breaking accounts atm, IIRC>
[11:42] <lifeless> also, what is your lp account name/new email
[11:42] <lifeless> spiv: ah, I hadn't seen that. reference?
[11:42] <spiv> Looking for it now.
[11:43] <therve> lifeless: it doesn't seem to work
[11:43] <spiv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/244499
[11:44] <therve> looks like it
[11:44] <lifeless> therve: lets see if I can unwedge this for you
[11:44] <therve> lifeless<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:44] <therve> lifeless: thanks a lot
[11:45] <lifeless> ok, curtis has a script according to the page
[11:47] <lifeless> therve: so, there is a script to fix it, but I know not where it is.
[11:47] <lifeless> therve: starting to look
[11:49] <therve> I guess curtis is on the other side of the planet :)
[11:50] <lifeless> stub: ping
[11:50] <stub> lifeless: pong (Dodgy ISP - having real trouble maintaining connections to the other irc server)
[11:50] <lifeless> bug 244499
[11:51] <lifeless> stub: do you know where the script is, or do I need to duplicate the investigation to fix therve's login
[11:52] <stub> No idea where 'the script' is
[11:53] <stub> It might just look for an account with valid but no preferred email addresses and set one to preferred.
[12:51] <klette> Hi! We're in the process of switching bugtrackers from sf.net, and launchpad is one of the alternatives. My question is this, are there any scripts out there that takes a xml-dump from sf.net and pushes all of the info to launchpad?
[12:54] <soren> klette: You generally just ask the launchpad guys to do it.
[12:55] <soren> klette: They've got magic "import project from sf.net" stuff they can invoke.
[12:56] <klette> soren: oh, nice :-)
[12:56] <soren> klette: It is. :)
[12:57] <persia> klette: If nobody offers to do it here soon, post a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[12:59] <klette> persia: will do. It's not decided yet though. The choice is between hosing a trac-instance on our own servers, or let someone else do all the work (launchpad! ;-))
[12:59] <soren> I think you can ask them to do a test-import.
[13:00] <soren> So that you can see how it works out and such.
[13:22] <therve> lifeless: do you have any news? is there something I can do?
[13:23] <lifeless> therve: sorry, its late here, I got distracted by life ;)
[13:23] <geser> what does "Duplicated ancestry
[13:23] <therve> lifeless: no problem :)
[13:24] <lifeless> stub: could you poke at therve's account, 22:23 is not a good time to be doing adhoc sql on prd
[13:24] <geser> what does "Duplicated ancestry" for an "Failed to upload" error mean?  should it be simply retried in a few hours as the package was moved from universe to multiverse?
[13:32] <wgrant> geser: It's a bug for which I forget the number. Just retry after the next publisher.
[13:32] <wgrant> geser: It occurs when a build is started or finished (I forget which) before the first publisher run after an override.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> geser: oh, was that what pitti demoted earlier?
[13:34] <geser> Hobbsee: yes, xmlgraphics-commons
[13:35] <Hobbsee> geser: yeah, i suspected it might, when i asked pitti
[13:35] <Hobbsee> oh well.
[13:35]  * Hobbsee tries throwing it back at the buildds.
[13:35] <Hobbsee> hm, it's built now...
[13:38] <geser> Hobbsee: that's interesting as that's the same build I got the "Failed to upload" mail for
[13:39] <Hobbsee> cprov: ?
[13:39] <geser> is it possible to recover "failed to upload" builds from the rejected queue?
[13:40] <glatzor> mpt, how can I link a ppa to a project? I donÄt find the option in the menus
[13:40] <wgrant> geser: I've only seen it done once.
[13:40] <wgrant> And that was for OOo, IIRC.
[13:41] <wgrant> glatzor: I don't believe you can.
[13:41] <mpt> glatzor, I don't think you can. Can you give an example of the PPA and project you want to link?
[13:41] <glatzor> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translator-tools/
[13:41] <glatzor> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translator-tools-hackers/+archive
[13:43] <mpt> glatzor, you could include the URL of the PPA in the project description
[13:46] <glatzor> for sure.
[13:47] <mpt> glatzor, and conversely, you could include the URL of the project in the PPA description
[13:48] <sinzui> therve: ping
[13:50] <therve> sinzui: yes
[13:50] <mpt> glatzor, reported bug 245183
[13:51] <Hobbsee> projects don't *have* ppas.
[13:51] <sinzui> therve: I was told you needed my assistance. Did you change your launchpad contact address and get locked out?
[13:51] <mpt> Hobbsee, ubuntu-translator-tools is a counterexample to that assertion.
[13:52] <therve> sinzui: thanks for the assistance, but stub had managed to make it work
[13:52] <sinzui> therve: fab. stub rocks.
[13:52] <therve> sinzui: I think he's creating another bug for the problem
[13:53] <sinzui> ok, I'll look for that, I have a code fix, but it has not been released yet.
[13:53] <Hobbsee> mpt: that has it's team of developers having a ppa, where the team of developers happens to be the same as the project itself, no?
[13:53] <glatzor> thanks mpt
[13:53] <therve> sinzui: ok great
[13:53] <Hobbsee> mpt: (which afaik, is As Good As It Gets (tm) )
[13:54] <therve> sinzui: this is a frustrating problem :)
[13:54] <glatzor> Hobbsee, you always need a team for a project to handle the access to the main bzr branch
[13:54] <mpt> Hobbsee, the PPA is pretty obviously dedicated to that particular project. It *could* be for multiple projects, but it isn't.
[13:54] <stub> sinzui: therve's issue doesn't match the comments in the other bug I saw, so I opened a new bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/245185
[13:54] <sinzui> stub: it is the same as 244499
[13:55] <Hobbsee> glatzor: i guess that's a point.  i wasn't aware that team creation and project creation happened simultaneously, automatically, though.
[13:55] <sinzui> stub: I have code ready for review that fixes the problem.
[13:56] <glatzor> Hobbsee, It doesn't
[13:56] <stub> sinzui: The data bug I saw does not match your comments in bug 244499
[13:56] <glatzor> Hobbsee, but would perhaps also a good idea
[13:57] <mpt> Projects vs. teams is still a little awkward in Launchpad, I think
[13:57] <Hobbsee> glatzor: i was thinking that - but only if the project chose to use code and or ppa.
[13:57] <stub> sinzui: Or did the invalid NEW status cause the emailaddress to not be linked to the account?
[13:57] <mpt> e.g. I reported a bug yesterday about the teams who expect to be able to file bugs on the team rather than on a particular project
[13:57] <sinzui> True, I was negligent in updating the bug with what I found yesterday afternoon. Salgado's fix allowed me to see the deeper bug that affected the two users.
[13:59] <sinzui> stub: the way in which the email was created mean it did not an account. that was a workflow issue in the code.
[13:59] <stub> ok. ta.
[14:13] <pep> Hey!
[14:13] <pep> I have a situation here... :s
[14:13] <pep> We accidentely handed over a team ownership to a random person on launchpad...
[14:17] <intellectronica> pep: whoops. can you please file a question. i'll try to make sure that someone attends to it shortly
[14:18] <pep> Very well.
[14:21] <Laibsch> Hi, I wonder about the semantics of the "propose for merging" flag
[14:21] <Laibsch> who is supposed to act on that (and how)?
[14:22] <Laibsch> I am asking in particular about the branches scheduled to be merged into https://code.launchpad.net/~subdownloader-developers/subdownloader/trunk
[14:22] <pep> I am actually chatting with JendaVancura right now on Jabber (he can't connect to IRC) and the problem is: what used to be the diy-team is now relatively dead, its projects are abandoned. Now, a new team has set itself up and just took over the projects. So the new team in charge is now this one: https://launchpad.net/~spreadubuntu and this old one:https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-diy-team was accidentally handed over to this person that happened to have diy
[14:22] <pep> as its nick: https://launchpad.net/~diy :/ But I'm filing a question.
[14:28] <pep> intellectronica: mhh, sorry but where do I ask the question at? I can't ask it concenring a team.... :/
[14:29] <intellectronica> pep: see the topic :)
[14:29] <pep> right, sorry about that :s :)
[14:29] <mpt> Laibsch, the owner of the destination branch should accept it or decline it
[14:31] <Laibsch> I am part of the team that owns the branch
[14:31] <mpt> Laibsch, or anyone who has permission to change the destination branch (in this case, any member of Subdownloader Developers)
[14:31] <Laibsch> So, how am I supposed to act?
[14:31] <Laibsch> I was the one making the request
[14:32] <Laibsch> Should I chekc out both branches, push from the obsolete to the new branch and after that delete the obsolete branch?
[14:32] <mpt> Laibsch, if you already have permission to do the merge, you don't need to propose it, unless you were asking for code review or something like that
[14:32] <Laibsch> I was unsure how this is supposed to work
[14:32] <mpt> Laibsch, so merge the source into the destination using bzr, then mark the merge as done
[14:32] <mpt> (I'm not sure how you do that, because the page doesn't look the same for me since I don't have the same permissions)
[14:33] <mpt> abentley can probably tell you in more detail
[14:41] <pep> Thanks for your help intellectronica, I filed question 38094.
[15:02] <pep> who can delete a project? its driver?
[15:02] <andrea-bs> pep: only a Launchpad administrator
[15:02] <pep> I see.
[15:03] <pep> thank you...
[16:06] <pygi> hey hey folks
[16:06] <pygi> to further enhance the bugging I've been doing lately, here's a new semi-started specification for Rosetta :)
[16:07] <pygi> any feedback or comments more then welcome
[16:07] <pygi> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/translation-workflow-and-notification-system
[16:42] <thekorn> hi, I've got a loggerhead related question: is there some url magic to always show the latest version of a file
[16:48] <bdmurray> thekorn: I know the answer to that
[16:49] <bdmurray> somewhere ...
[16:49] <thekorn> bdmurray, cool :) mind to share your knowledge
[16:50] <bdmurray> I'm trying to find where I hid it. ;)
[16:50] <thekorn> take your time
[16:51] <bdmurray> I think its bug 185353
[16:52] <seb128> hello there
[16:53] <seb128> I was wondering which people are listing under the "also notified" category
[16:53] <seb128> there is a zillion of those for any ubuntu bug
[16:53] <bdmurray> seb128: those are all people who've subscribed to all ubuntu bug reports
[16:54] <bdmurray> quite a few of them are actually deactivated accounts too
[16:54] <persia> I suspect there's some causality involved between clicking the "receive all ubuntu bug reports" button and deactivating the account.
[16:54] <thekorn> this reminds me: I always wanted to write a greasemonkey script to make this subscribers list toggleable
[16:55] <bdmurray> persia: I'd imagine!
[16:55] <seb128> thekorn: you can toggle it on launchpad no?
[16:56] <thekorn> seb128, yes but i want to auto hide them
[16:56] <seb128> thekorn: the change is persistant on launchpad no?
[16:57] <seb128> ie, if you toggle it, it's toggled for all pages you browse
[16:57] <thekorn> and to be able to toggle per section ('also notified', 'per duplicate',..)
[16:57] <seb128> ah ok
[16:57] <seb128> well, that was sort of my complain
[16:57] <seb128> what is the point to have a zillion of "also notified" people listed on every ubuntu bug
[16:57] <thekorn> I#m mostly intrested in direct subscribers,
[16:57] <seb128> mpt: ^ do you know if there is a bug or some discussions about that?
[16:58] <mpt> seb128, yes there is
[16:58] <thekorn> I dont care about 'also notified', so I would like to hide this category
[16:58] <seb128> thekorn: I expect that's the case for most users
[16:58] <seb128> that's also what leads to the "you have to scroll to go to the subscribing option since they are after this list"
[16:59] <seb128> and the list is over a screen for any ubuntu bug
[16:59] <seb128> mpt: ok good, thanks ;-)
[17:00] <mpt> seb128, bug 241150
[17:01] <mpt> but I think once we (a) replace the source package info box with a tooltip, and (b) move the "Subscribe yourself" etc from the bottom of the Subscribers list to the top, you won't care nearly so much
[17:01] <seb128> mpt: thank you
[17:02] <seb128> well, I'm wondering who cares about the "also notified" list
[17:02] <seb128> usually people care about direct subscribers and bug contacts for the component
[17:02] <mpt> I think few people explicitly care about it. But it may act as a subtle disincentive to adding useless comments to a bug report.
[17:03] <thekorn> bdmurray, re my loggerhead question, I always thought this has still been implemented, but the links shown there do not work
[17:03] <bdmurray> I care about it explicitly fwiw
[17:04] <seb128> why?
[17:04] <seb128> what information do you get from knowing that this list of people is subscribed to any ubuntu bug?
[17:04] <bdmurray> s/care about/am interested in/
[17:04] <bdmurray> thekorn: the linkified one works for me now
[17:07] <thekorn> bdmurray, ok, it works for me too now, but sometimes get a server error,
[17:07] <thekorn> but I was looking for a link to the most recent version of a file
[17:07] <seb128> who could I bribe to get bug #229040 on the 2.0 list? ;-)
[17:11] <bdmurray> thekorn: I think it is possible to increment the revision number such that is much higher than the actual revision and get the latest version of the file
[17:12] <mpt> seb128, bigjools or cprov for a start
[17:12] <bigjools> very unlikely to happen :(
[17:12] <seb128> not sure if the bug is hard to fix, but I would suggest to default to text rather than html meanwhile, most of attachements are patches and debdiff and so are texts
[17:13] <seb128> or could you special case on the filename? *diff = text?
[17:14] <pep> Is there a way to see how many people of my team have subscribed to the list?
[17:14] <cprov> seb128: can't you make firefox deal correctly with gzip-patch MIME ?
[17:15] <seb128> cprov: that's not gziped, those are just diffs
[17:15] <seb128> and I don't want to start gziping diffs no ;-)
[17:15] <seb128> cprov: right know launchpad sets debdiff as htmls
[17:16] <cprov> seb128: wow, that's not soyuz bug them
[17:16] <cprov> seb128: I've misread you bug report, that's in malone.
[17:17] <cprov> seb128: there is a similar problem with the debdiff generated by launchpad/soyuz, those are gzip-patch and firefox doesn't like to render them by default.
[17:17] <seb128> cprov: it suggests opening those rather?
[17:18] <cprov> seb128: yes, I open them with the file-roller, but that's annoyingly slow.
[17:19] <cprov> well, not a blocker, life goes on ...
[17:19] <seb128> I noticed that too when opening diff.gz
[17:19] <seb128> sometimes there are displayed in the browser and sometime not
[17:19] <seb128> I should ping asac (the firefox maintainer) about that ;-)
[17:20] <cprov> seb128: yes, when it becomes a 'fix this, pretty please, or someone will die' issue ;)
[17:21] <seb128> lot of bugs are not that bad but annoying
[17:21] <cprov> today we have to feed the soyuz monster properly so it stops eating uploads from dedicated people ...
[17:22] <seb128> the debdiff detected as html means you have to add the diff, wait for the page to reload, go to the page to edit the patch, change the type, and do that for every attachement on every bug you work on
[17:23] <seb128> soyuz eating uploads? bad soyuz, no cookie today ;-)
[17:24] <cprov> seb128: talk to intellectronica or allenap, see what they can do for you.
[17:24] <seb128> cprov: oh btw speaking about soyuz, should I do something special when binaries fail to be uploaded for some reasons?
[17:24] <cprov> seb128: no, not today ;)
[17:24] <cprov> seb128: depends how they failed
[17:24] <seb128> ok, because I got a mail about the amd64 hardy pidgin build which failed to be uploaded today
[17:25] <seb128> "DETAIL:  Process 14933 waits for ShareLock on transaction 145257993; blocked by process 14480.
[17:25] <seb128> Process 14480 waits for ExclusiveLock on tuple (478,2) of relation 16634 of database 16409; blocked by process 14933.
[17:25] <seb128> )"
[17:25] <seb128> cprov: ^
[17:25] <cprov> seb128: does it weirdly mention ' ShareLock blah bla' ?
[17:25] <cprov> seb128: afff
[17:25]  * Yhouse e' away (Sto andando via)
[17:26] <cprov> seb128: I've already reprocessed all failed binaries from today, check LP they should be published already.
[17:27] <seb128> cprov: yes, some people mentioned that they tried the update so I figured that somebody fixed it, I was just wondering if I should ping somebody in such cases or if you guys are automatically notified
[17:27] <seb128> cprov: thanks for fixing ;-)
[17:27] <cprov> seb128: ping me (as usual) I will help you.
[17:27] <seb128> alright
[17:28] <seb128> ok, I think that's enough launchpad bugs chatting for today, I'll go back to work for a bit and call it a day ;-)
[17:28] <cprov> seb128: and yes, my inbox gets stuffed with failure-notifications too.
[17:28] <cprov> seb128: good, seya, then.
[17:28]  * seb128 hugs cprov for the good job he's doing on soyuz
[17:29]  * cprov hugs seb128 too
[17:40] <allenap> seb128: bug 229040 should be quite easy to fix; I'll talk to BjornT about it.
[17:42] <seb128> allenap: thank you
[18:08] <pep> Hi, is there an easy way to send an email or message to all members of a launchpad team if the team does not have a mailing list? (being the owner of the team...)
[18:40] <ScottK> Is 30 minutes long enough to wait to assume that if LP doesn't know about my upload, soyuz has eaten it somehow?
[18:43] <cprov> ScottK: kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu19_source.changes ?
[18:43] <ScottK> Yes
[18:43] <cprov> ScottK: eaten, please, upload again.
[18:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:44] <ScottK> cprov: Done.
[18:46] <ScottK> cprov: That one made it.  Thanks again.  What happened?
[18:51] <cprov> ScottK: we having several scripts trying to update the same information at the same time, so they conflict very often and die.
[18:51] <ScottK> Ah.  Thanks.
[18:51] <cprov> ScottK: it will be fixed in 2 hours, don't lose your faith in soyuz ;)
[18:52] <ScottK> OK.  I won't.  It's generally pretty reliable.
[18:53] <ScottK> It appears no ia64 buildd's are currently running for Intrepid.  Can you look into that here or should I go to #canonical-sysadmin?
[18:54] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[18:54] <ScottK> Looks like it just took longer to wake up.
[18:57] <Rinchen> >>> LP Team Meeting in #launchpad-meeting in 2 minutes.
[20:48] <popey> any news on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2008-July/003896.html ?
[20:49] <popey> we have a user trying to check in changes and they are getting the "This account cannot be used" error message
[20:50] <salgado> popey, will be fixed in a couple hours
[20:50] <matsubara> popey, the fix is in the pqm queue
[20:51] <popey> thanks
[22:09] <CWii> Oh!
[22:09] <CWii> When 1800UTC
[22:09] <CWii> When is* :P
[22:35] <geser> CWii: it was over 3 hours ago, see the output of "date -u": Thu Jul  3 21:35:23 UTC 2008
[22:35] <CWii> Yeah.
[22:35] <CWii> I figured that out awhile ago :P
[23:47]  * Yhouse e' away (Sto andando via)


[10:59] <bluca> juliank: qq, are the non-x86 cloud autopkgtest running on baremetal of the respective architecture?
[10:59] <bluca> or are they all virtualized?
[10:59] <bluca> on top of x86 I mean
[11:00] <juliank> bluca: they run on vms of their respective architecture; except armhf which runs in lxd in arm64 vms
[11:00] <juliank> bluca: it's all openstack
[11:00] <bluca> got it, thank you
[11:00] <cjwatson> specifically VMs running on compute nodes of the corresponding architecture
[11:00] <cjwatson> not emulated by x86
[11:01] <juliank> yes that's what I thought I'd wrote
[11:01] <juliank> ugh grammar
[11:01] <bluca> thank you both
[11:01] <cjwatson> yeah, I could just have read "vms of their respective architecture" as talking about either the host or the guest :)
[11:02] <juliank> hmm I gotta investigate arm64
[11:03] <juliank> it's error rate is a bit high
[11:04] <juliank> ah yes
[11:04] <juliank> they die after a reboot after EFI stub: Exiting boot services and installing virtual address map...
[11:04] <juliank> I think it could be that this is the grub bug with random memory even
[11:06] <juliank> We are currently allocating just enough memory for the file size,
[11:07] <juliank> +which means that the kernel BSS is in limbo (and not even zeroed).
[11:57] <ahasenack> good morning
[13:46] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, could you please check the git-ubuntu importer wrt sssd? 2.6.3 was published on the 15th, but ubuntu/devel still points at 2.6.1
[13:46] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/2.6.3-1ubuntu1
[13:46] <ahasenack> https://code.launchpad.net/~git-ubuntu-import/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+git/sssd/+ref/ubuntu/devel
[13:49] <rbasak> ahasenack: it's in the queue. I can bump the priority for you
[13:50] <rbasak> Looks like git-ubuntu was swamped by language-pack-* uploads
[13:50] <rbasak> I've deprioritized those
[13:50] <rbasak> And I've bumped sssd so that'll be next when a worker slot becomes free
[13:52] <ahasenack> thanks rbasak
[14:01]  * ahasenack wonders why nfs-ganesha is in main
[14:01] <ahasenack> two nfs servers in main
[14:05] <rbasak> ahasenack: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=8f973f0ded862784639d4567791832a5640fa402
[14:05] <ahasenack> oh
[14:07] <ahasenack> jumped into main during focal
[14:08] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-ganesha/+bug/1843403
[14:40] <rbasak> Is the change to OpenSSL 3.0 also making changes to acceptable/available ciphersuites?
[14:42] <schopin> rbasak: it does.
[14:42] <schopin> Many algorithms were moved to a "legacy" provider that must be explicitly enabled
[14:47] <schopin> rbasak: although... given our default security level, that last part might not have an impact on the actual suites available?
[14:54] <rbasak> schopin: I'd like to understand what's changed from a user's perspective, including what must now be explicitly enabled and what is no longer available. Is there a summary available anywhere, please?
[14:55] <GunnarHj> Hi cjwatson, did you see jbicha's question yesterday?
[14:55] <GunnarHj> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/02/16/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t13:26
[14:55] <schopin> rbasak: I'm only aware of https://www.openssl.org/docs/manmaster/man7/migration_guide.html
[14:56] <rbasak> schopin: thanks. Does that mean we're following the upstream default? I was under the impression we customised the default config.
[14:58] <schopin> I haven't checked this in a while, but I think we "just" raise the default security level, and now that I'm saying this I'm not even sure we're differing from upstream now. I'll go check
[15:02] <schopin> rbasak: OK, so Ubuntu default to security level 2, while upstream is at level 1. In addition, we patched OpenSSL to disallow TLS < 1.2 at level 2 (which is a restriction normally for sec level 4).
[15:03] <schopin> THat's the extent of our customization.
[15:04] <rbasak> schopin: that's exactly what I needed. Thanks!
[15:04] <rbasak> schopin: on, and when did the disallow TLS < 1.2 at level 2 appear in Ubuntu please?
[15:04] <rbasak> Is that new in Jammy / OpenSSL 3.0?
[15:05] <schopin> No, it's from 1.1.1d-2ubuntu2 uploaded in 20.04
[15:06] <rbasak> OK thanks!
[15:09] <rbasak> schopin: can I request that this info goes into the release notes please? I wrote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/1961268 for now
[15:11] <schopin> rbasak: noted. Are the release notes subject to a freeze?
[15:12] <rbasak> schopin: no not at all. Edit at any time.
[15:13] <bdmurray> schopin: sometimes they get edited after release! ;-)
[15:20] <ogayot> hello, I'm looking for a sponsor for the merge of python-testtools (main) LP #1960297). Thanks!
[15:36] <jawn-smith> ogayot: looking
[15:36] <ogayot> Thanks jawn-smith!
[15:47] <jawn-smith> ogayot: This looks good to upload, but it would probably be good practice to submit a patch to Debian declaring the packages as 3.10 compatible so we can sync more quickly. As long as it's not super complicated.
[15:50] <ogayot> jawn-smith: that sounds good to me, thanks!
[18:19] <rbasak> doko: does openstructure need a rebuild? libost-info2.3 depends on libboost-regex1.74.0-icu67 and that's the latest build on amd64. But I'm a bit puzzled as it looks like you did all the others, so why did that one get missed? Thought I'd check with you first.
[19:17] <Laibsch> why is python3-httpx package no longer synced from unstable or even testing?
[19:19] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httpx/0.21.1-1/+build/22469845: missing build-dependency
[19:20] <ahasenack> correct
[19:20] <ahasenack> which leads to this build failure on the missing dep: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/httpcore/0.14.3-1
[19:21] <ahasenack> related to python 3.10 and/or openssl 3
[19:22] <ahasenack> (my guess)
[19:31] <Laibsch> Thanks.  So, what keeps python3-click stuck in proposed, then?  It's another build-time dependency that would not be fulfilled even if python3-httpcore was.
[19:34] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-click/8.0.3-1 vs. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-click/7.1.2-1
[19:37] <dbungert> python-click was related to problems with mailman3 - LP: #1960547, not sure about current state
[19:44] <Laibsch> Thanks, dbungert.  Looks like simply someone needs to frob the knob to get python3-click to migrate now.
[19:47] <Laibsch> as is httpx is completely broken jammy, due to newer release not migrating: bug 1961340
[19:50] <ahasenack> I triggered a retest on python-canmatrix, seems the only red under python-click (s390x)
[19:50] <ahasenack> the failure seems to be dependency related, and is old
[19:51] <ahasenack> result will show up at the top row here: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/python-canmatrix/jammy/s390x
[20:02] <Laibsch> Thx.  So, a rebuild attempt will usually be triggered automatically, without manual intervention?  I previously saw nothing holding python-click back.
[20:04] <Laibsch> Thus, I assumed the need for some explicit frobbing
[20:08] <ahasenack> I'm not sure, I've seen rebuilds happening without me touching them, but someone else might have
[20:18] <ahasenack> python-click should migrate now in the next run
[20:19] <ahasenack> but this is unrelated to httpx, right?
[20:20] <ahasenack> or is httpcore failing because of the old python-click?
[20:20] <ahasenack> the build used the new one:
[20:20] <ahasenack> Get:30 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu jammy-proposed/main amd64 python3-click all 8.0.3-1 [78.3 kB]
[20:53] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: I thought I said I wasn't going to have time to look into it, sorry
[20:54] <cjwatson> Oh I guess the fonts section question is a bit different.  I don't know how you could avoid that hack though
[21:21] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: I think we wonder if there is a way to make LP accept the hack.
[21:21] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: Is it even really about LP though?  The discrepancy seems to be entirely contained within stuff that sbuild runs - it's just that LP notices it and complains
[21:21] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: i.e. the .changes says non-free/fonts
[21:22] <cjwatson> Need to persuade that to come out right somehow, and then LP will be happy
[21:23] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: On Debian the problem does not show up, since the hack isn't run there.
[21:23] <cjwatson> I forget which bit of the packaging toolchain it is that populates debian/files
[21:23] <cjwatson> But it's likely that
[21:24] <cjwatson> I mean, you should be able to completely reproduce this outside Launchpad by doing a normal build in sbuild or whatever and then checking the generated .changes afterwards
[21:24] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Maybe let the hack change d/control directly instead. I'll try that.
[21:24] <cjwatson> That's probbaly worse
[21:24] <cjwatson> I will have a look, but not right now, need to do bedtime
[21:26] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Ok, sweet dreams, and thanks.
[22:04] <jbicha> it's not really possible to have the .dsc be different between Debian & Ubuntu if the point is to autosync
[22:06] <jbicha> I think this is a rare enough case that we might as well just have an Ubuntu diff. fonts-ubuntu doesn't get frequent updates
[22:26] <cjwatson> jbicha: Yeah, I've tried a few things like substvars (which don't work here) and sedding debian/files (which causes dpkg-genchanges to complain about the mismatch).  sedding debian/control might work to some extent, but it's really gross and Package-List in the .dsc would unavoidably still be wrong (Launchpad doesn't care about that, but some other tools might).  I think accepting the delta is ...
[22:26] <cjwatson> ... probably the only thing for it.