[19:37] <erwan_ho> Kamilion: oh it's on it \o/
[19:38] <erwan_ho> didn't knew that
[19:38] <erwan_ho> cool
[19:38] <tag> bjsnider: Everything is crap...software developers are lazy fuckers and write horrible software with horrible documentation.     Isn't that atypical enough such comments should be taken in jest?
[19:39]  * tonyyarusso can't do compositing on most of his machines
[19:39] <Amaranth> bjsnider: about half our users are not going to be able to run gnome-shell on first boot
[19:39] <rafferty> hi all, I am receiving "Stopping job because the scheduler could not execute the backend" when printing to PDF. Print Error (stdin)... any help?
[19:39] <bjsnider> Amaranth, complain to the guys writing the graphics drivers
[19:40] <Amaranth> bjsnider: ha
[19:40] <tonyyarusso> bjsnider: Uh, we've been doing that for decades.
[19:40] <tag> bjsnider: Naturally, I am a software developer, so I deal with it first hand on a daily basis.
[19:40] <erwan_ho> thx for your help guys
[19:40] <om26er> tag, so u think development is easy. how about you add audio call to yahoo in empathy?
[19:40] <erwan_ho> ++
[19:40] <bjsnider> tag, are you a lazy bleeper?
[19:40] <tag> I prefer to just not use empathy because it seems immature.
[19:41] <tag> bjsnider: I try really hard not to be, but just like everyone else I've created my fair share of messes. :-)
[19:41] <xeer> troll
[19:42] <om26er> empathy 2.6.30 should not focus on new features but should focus on stability.
[19:42] <bjsnider> Amaranth, do you honestly think there will be no answer to the compositing problem between now and april?
[19:42] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Actually october
[19:42] <xeer> im at an initramfs prompt, what can I input to get karmic to finish booting?
[19:42] <tonyyarusso> The only solution to the compositing problem is obsolescense - eventually enough of the non-working cards will be in the trash.
[19:42] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Can't have GNOME 3.0 without GTK+ 3.0 and they plan on doing another GTK+ 2.x first so they can properly deprecate stuff they don't want to have in 3.0
[19:43] <bjsnider> Amaranth, because we cannot see one now doesn't mean one won't present itself
[19:43] <Amaranth> bjsnider: and Ubuntu wouldn't have 3.0 in lucid anyway
[19:43] <om26er> lucid lynx is gnonna be LTS so they might not wanna give gnome-shell in it ?
[19:43] <xeer> what's the point to karmic. lucid seems to be the more important one
[19:43] <bjsnider> Amaranth, there's always a new gnome before a new ubuntu release
[19:44] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Unless the next GNOME is 2.30 we're sticking with 2.28 for lucid
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> xeer: if that's your view, why are you here?  ;)
[19:44] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  because karmic is not working! it drops me to a busybox shell on every restart
[19:44] <NaviRetlav> Hi , I have problem with my ubuntu 9.10 , After boot I see white ubuntu logo and afther that I have black screen + blinking caps lock led.  2hours ago all was perfect.  auth.log is almost empty( no logs from last broken boot sequence ) . Who have idea how to help me ?
[19:44] <Amaranth> NaviRetlav: Sounds like a kernel panic when it tries to start X
[19:44] <bjsnider> Amaranth, does gnome not  operate on 6 month release cycles?
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> xeer: so just wait for Lucid?  Contradictory statements...
[19:45] <om26er> i think they won't pack a long term solution release with some immature gnome-shell
[19:45] <Amaranth> bjsnider: It does but we're not shipping 3.0 in an LTS even if it is released in time
[19:45] <Kamilion> Note: Linux runs on everything from MCUs smaller than a SDMicro to full on 4096 processor mainframes. Do you really expect that code written to support devices on one side of the spectrum will work well on devices on the other side? ;)
[19:45] <bjsnider> Amaranth, oh, i see your point now
[19:45] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Just like we won't have compiz 0.9 even if it ships in time because it's just too different and new
[19:45] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i'm assuming it will be available through another means like a ppa
[19:46] <om26er> bjsnider, http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/
[19:46] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  yes I plan on skipping karmic if I could ever get my system to boot. Unfortuantly I can't just drop it cold turkey since ext4 doesn't work on intrepid
[19:46] <om26er> see the schedule
[19:46] <NaviRetlav> Amaranth: where I should have any bug logs if auth.log is empty ?
[19:46] <xeer> file recovery is important!
[19:46] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Only if I get unlazy and upload packages to the PPA :)
[19:46] <bjsnider> Amaranth, oh, i guess you're a lazy ******** too
[19:46] <xeer> I'm sure that's a feature people would be welcomed to see. "Recover files" in their boot manager
[19:47] <xeer> oh but wait, that would steal money from those freelance computer hackers
[19:47] <Kamilion> Can't steal what isn't there.
[19:47] <bjsnider> Amaranth, what is the gnome-devs solution to the compositing problem?
[19:47] <Kamilion> We're all broke anyway. ;)
[19:48] <ubuntuLoverV3> hi peeps, how do I install grub (not grub2) on the MBR of a karmic installation?
[19:48] <NaviRetlav> anyone can help me ?
[19:49] <om26er> NaviRetlav, just come and ask the question
[19:49] <Amaranth> bjsnider: "get an intel card"
[19:49] <Amaranth> bjsnider: or hopefully soon "get an ati card"
[19:49] <ubuntuLoverV3> also how do I see the list of users in the XChat IRC client?!
[19:49] <bjsnider> Amaranth, well, that's a good point'
[19:50] <om26er> is xserver-xorg-video-nv open-source nvidia driver?
[19:50] <Amaranth> bjsnider: I'm surprised you'd say that since you are an nvidia user
[19:50] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Your use case is actually one of the broken ones for gnome-shell
[19:50] <bjsnider> om26er, yes, but so is nouveau, which is better
[19:51] <NaviRetlav> om26er: I asked , maybe you know where I can find any bugs log if I have black screen with karnel panic , after white ubuntu logo ?
[19:51] <om26er> bjsnider, they should give it out of box
[19:51] <bjsnider> Amaranth, broken? not at all. it works spectacularly well here. i love it
[19:51] <bjsnider> way better than compiz
[19:51] <om26er> NaviRetlav, i don't know
[19:51] <xeer> is it possible to tell the karmic livecd to not touch my disk drives..?
[19:51] <bjsnider> it's not just bling for bling's sake
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: quite a few new ATI cards work, yes?  Is there a list of known-goods?
[19:52] <om26er> xeer, so where are you gonna install it
[19:52] <Amaranth> bjsnider: I meant how do you get gnome-shell on first boot
[19:52] <Amaranth> bjsnider: and the features we have enabled by default in Ubuntu are not bling for bling's sake :)
[19:52] <xeer> om26er:  I'm not. im using it to recover the files on my karmic workstation. fresh install that doesn't work!
[19:53] <tonyyarusso> xeer: try a live CD?  Or would you rather just complain about it?
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: but if you disagree you can change which plugins are used and it'll work completely differently
[19:53] <bjsnider> Amaranth, just put a startup command in there: gnome-shell --replace
[19:53] <xeer> I guess I jumped the gun by downloading karmic few days prior to release. who would have known it would be THIS BUGGY
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: How do you run gnome-shell with no nvidia driver?
[19:53] <Amaranth> bjsnider: You seem to be intentionally got getting the point now
[19:53] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  ahem.  It won't write anything to your partitions that way.
[19:55] <xeer> the one good thing I saw from karmic was support for 2560x1600 right out of the box
[19:55] <tonyyarusso> xeer: what do you mean by "not touch"?
[19:55] <om26er> Amaranth, open-source driver
[19:55] <tag> Amaranth: I already plugged compiz, I like it, because I can bend it to my will.  It didn't do what I wanted (flyable directional focus control) so I added it.  Same reasons I avidly used pekwm for years...only, compiz is prettier.
 bjsnider: What are your gripes about compiz, except for the fruity and lame default plugins, the effort that was wasted on crap like wobbly windows, and the rats-nest of extensions? <- I've put that in my forum sig
[19:55] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i'm not sure what would happen if i tried that. would it go to a virtual console or something?
[19:55] <xeer> drs305:  that option does not function. I am presented with a buxybox shell. Like I said all flavors of karmic seem to be buggy
[19:55] <Amaranth> om26er: the open source driver is installed by default but it gives no hardware acceleration so does not help you run gnome-shell
[19:56] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know how to change the gdm theme? (I accidentally switched it installing blubuntu, and cant get it back)
[19:56] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  the livecd is droping to a busybox shell and the log on my display says it was failing to mount the drive (ext4)
[19:56] <om26er> Amaranth, if for some reason nvidia requests ubuntu to give their driver in ubuntu. then will ubuntu do that or still there are some policies?
[19:56] <TecnoBrat> anyone ever had an issue updating to 9.10 where it gets stuck Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1
[19:56] <drs305> xeer: That's a problem with the CD then I would suspect. Have you run the "check CD" option when the CD runs?
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> xeer: did you check the integrity of the disk?
[19:56] <tag> Amaranth: I'm a bit anxious about this gnome-shell business, because I tried it and I didn't see a way to change the way it behaves...part of what turned me on to X11 back in the X11R6 days was if I didn't like something, it was pretty easy to just replace that bit (re: window manager being separate from desktop environment being separate from file management, et al)
[19:57] <Amaranth> om26er: nvidia would love us to ship the driver by default but the kernel community would probably send us a cease and desist letter
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> xeer: if none of that works, you can use a jaunty CD
[19:57] <xeer> drs305:  yes, it passes. I also used this cd to install the system, that worked greated until I downloaded the new karmic updates and restarted. now nothing but BUSYBOX!
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> xeer: what architecture is this?
[19:58] <Amaranth> om26er: distributing the nvidia driver pre-installed is sort of illegal
[19:58] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  amd64
[19:58] <om26er> Amaranth, if if the owner (nvidia) don't have a problem?
[19:58] <Amaranth> om26er: the kernel guys have the problem and nvidia has no say in it
[19:58] <bjsnider> om26er, the gpl is the problem
[19:59] <xeer> the integrity check takes it to the white on black ubuntu loading screen, which is more then the actual "run cd without installing" option did.
[19:59] <bjsnider> nvidia's driver violates the gpl
[19:59] <Jordan_U_> xeer: Can you try holding shift at boot and pressing 'e' to edit the kernel parameters replacing root=UUID=3e472d59-442e-47de-a1af-f3c274b1f94d with root=/dev/sda1 ( or whatever your root partition is ) ?
[19:59] <bjsnider> which makes it incompatible with the linux kernel
[19:59] <om26er> bjsnider, but if nvidia opens its source code although it won't. then there is no problem na?
[20:00] <Amaranth> bjsnider, om26er: Clarification: The way nvidia (and Ubuntu) currently ship the driver is a legal gray area but installing it by default is a definite violation
[20:00] <tonyyarusso> bjsnider: um, violating the GPL and being incompatible with the GPL are completely different things.
[20:00] <xeer> Jordan_U_:  thanks I'll have to try that. it was saying it couldn't mount the drive with the UUID so I'll try your option
[20:00] <q__> could someone render me a bootchart? my java does not work and the online renderer is broken/down
[20:00] <bjsnider> om26er, that will happen in the year 4067
[20:00] <Amaranth> om26er: nvidia has (recently) said that will never happen
[20:00] <syn-ack> bjsnider, Prove to me that it violates the GPL
[20:00] <xeer> nvidia for windows, ati for linux. period.
[20:01] <GodfatherofEire> Er. Guys? My xorg.conf is missing.
[20:01] <om26er> Amaranth, but intel really support open source ?
[20:01] <syn-ack> God, so many people don't understand the difference between tainting and etc
[20:01] <Amaranth> om26er: yes
[20:01] <yofel> GodfatherofEire: karmic has no xorg.conf by default
[20:01] <xeer> GodfatherofEire:  no, it is just using defaults
[20:01] <Jordan_U_> xeer: If that works then you are probably experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/462440
[20:01] <q__> xeer, hear way to many complains about ATI
[20:01] <thiebaude> the GPL also says if you need it for your system to work then you can use it
[20:01] <om26er> and ATI? do they?
[20:01] <Amaranth> GodfatherofEire: we don't have one by default
[20:01] <bjsnider> syn-ack, the driver is closed, and its source cannot be redistributed modified, which violates the erms of the gpl
[20:01] <GodfatherofEire> yofel, well, that explains it
[20:01] <Amaranth> om26er: yes and no
[20:01] <syn-ack> bjsnider, that does NOT violate the GPL
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> bjsnider: That's not a violation.
[20:02] <Amaranth> syn-ack: The GPL does not prevent you personally from tainting your kernel running the nvidia driver but it does prevent us from shipping it precompiled and installed
[20:02] <syn-ack> bjsnider, Before you go preaching be sure you know what you're talking about
[20:02] <syn-ack> Amaranth, Absolutely
[20:02] <bjsnider> syn-ack, who's preaching?
[20:02] <thiebaude> syn-ack, did you see that part in the GPL what is was saying?
[20:02] <perscitus> Wicked cool. Vacuum effect in compiz. I can pretend it's blackhole effect
[20:02] <Amaranth> syn-ack: That's why I said what we do now is a legal gray area
[20:02] <ubuntuLoverV3> is the boot sector the same as the MBR?
[20:02] <NaviRetlav> Question: how to start u9.10 without ati graphic driver ? ( I can login , only x is not working )
[20:03] <syn-ack> Amaranth, sure, that much goes without saying.. :/ Been like that since the being of time (TM) :/
[20:03] <q__> perscitus, there is new stuff in compiz? wehee *searching for shovel and bucket*
[20:04] <om26er> Amaranth, but ubuntu can give nouveau?
[20:04] <syn-ack> bjsnider, as long as its not Derived Work (ie built on something that IS GPL) youre fine
[20:04] <syn-ack> bjsnider, and since both the nVidia AND ATi Drivers work from within wrappers, its apparently ok
[20:04] <GodfatherofEire> Anybody know how to change the gdm theme? (I accidentally switched it installing blubuntu, and cant get it back) And also, how can I get ctrl+alt+backspace back?
[20:05] <bjsnider> syn-ack, if you're looking for a RMS-fanatic or gpl fanatic, that ain't me
[20:05] <dupondje> how can I debug Nautilus ?
[20:05] <syn-ack> bjsnider, Dont take this the wrong way, but thats exactly the impression I get.
[20:05] <Arsin> Are the windows key's disabled? I can't seem to get my binds to work
[20:05] <yofel> dupondje: err... in what way? You could just attach gdb to the process to debug it...
[20:05] <bjsnider> syn-ack, i was actually answer a question earlier about why the nvidia driver can't be included in the kernel
[20:06] <syn-ack> OH
[20:06] <syn-ack> bjsnider, shit dude, I'm sorry
[20:06] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: Please, they are super keys ( that's obviously a cape not a window )
[20:06] <bjsnider> i was not preaching to anybody
[20:06] <dupondje> yofel: in the code there are g_debug messages etc, but where to see the messages ?
[20:06] <syn-ack> bjsnider, it still doesnt violate the GPL its just... emcumbered... yeah thats the word.
[20:07] <jussi01> syn-ack: mind the language please
[20:07] <Jordan_U_> dupondje: Install nautilus-dbg ?
[20:07] <TecnoBrat> Anyone use conky with 9.10?
[20:07] <ubuntuLoverV3> hi guys, does anyone here remember the boot problem I am having?
[20:07] <bjsnider> syn-ack, i find the legalistic mumbo-jumbo RMS uses dull and boring and worngheaded. IP is a political problem, not a question of the license used
[20:07] <dupondje> Jordan_U_: that are debug symbols .. but will not bring those debug messages on my screen I bet :p
[20:08] <perscitus> Arsin.->  I'm sorry to say that Ubuntu doesnt make use of Windows key by default
[20:08] <ubuntuLoverV3> mzz, dmatt are you here?
[20:08] <TecnoBrat> my conky display has a weird shadow around it :P
[20:08] <syn-ack> bjsnider, See, thats where I differ.. I love the legal aspects of it
[20:08] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: You should still be able to bind actions to it though
[20:08] <jussi01> ubuntuLoverV3: perhaps you can tell us again?
[20:08] <TecnoBrat> and its also sitting ontop instead of behind floating on the desktop
[20:08] <bjsnider> syn-ack, ugh, whatever floats your boat
[20:08] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: Hmm.. it's not reading it when I try to set up a bind
[20:08] <bjsnider> syn-ack, are you a lawyer?
[20:09] <jussi01> !ot
[20:09] <syn-ack> bjsnider, PoliSci Major. :D
[20:09] <syn-ack> EoT
[20:09] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: Does it register in xev?
[20:09] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: xev is?
[20:09] <ubuntuLoverV3> jussi01, oh man it's too long a story and you guys will suggest things that mzz and dmatt already tried by the time I finish telling you I'll be bed time
[20:10] <jussi01> ubuntuLoverV3: perhaps you cna give me the basics at least.
[20:10] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: It's a simple application that brings up a window and prints to stdout any X events that window recieves, like key press / release
[20:10] <xeer> http://pastebin.com/d748b59b8 this is the current issue I am facing with karmic
[20:11] <q__> could someone render me a bootchart? my java does not work and the online renderer is broken/down
[20:11] <ubuntuLoverV3> but in short, new Karmic instalation on single boot laptop, installed grub2 but won't but, gets stuck on a black screen with blinking cursor before it gets to grub2
[20:11] <ubuntuLoverV3> so I don't think it's an MBR/grub/partition table issue
[20:11] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: It reads it
[20:11] <xeer> ubuntuLoverV3:  seems the be a problem going around
[20:12] <Jordan_U_> Arsin: What application isn't recognising it?
[20:12] <ubuntuLoverV3> I am searching and someone said either the HDD is fried, which it's not because I can munt Karmic from the Live CD
[20:12] <Arsin> System>Prefs>Keyboard Shortcuts
[20:12] <ubuntuLoverV3> or, weak power supply!!
[20:13] <ubuntuLoverV3> the laptops battery died and I'm using t with power supply only, could that be it?
[20:13] <xeer> I'd think not..
[20:13] <Arsin> Jordan_U_: Infact, Super Ctrl and Alt are not able to be binded there
[20:13] <q__> ubuntuLoverV3, stored it empty? to much heat over the time?
[20:14] <ubuntuLoverV3> xeer, yeah I'm running out of ideas
[20:14] <ubuntuLoverV3> q__, yes it does overheat, it's a crap unbranded laptop, good spec when I bought it but creap hardware
[20:14] <ubuntuLoverV3> *cheap
[20:15] <bjsnider> ubuntuLoverV3, did you try reinstalling?
[20:15] <ubuntuLoverV3> yeah, this the third different ubuntu version I tried, they all install fine just won't boot
[20:17] <ubuntuLoverV3> oh I have to say that it ran ubuntu 6.xx for over a year when I first got the laptop, but the boot topped working during an upgrade! and since it has not worked except via LiveCD
[20:17] <ubuntuLoverV3> it's been about 2 years now
[20:18] <bjsnider> ubuntuLoverV3, have you considered throwing it out?
[20:18] <ubuntuLoverV3> I stored it for a while but now I'd like ot get it working as a secondary machine
[20:18] <bjsnider> it sounds like garbage
[20:18] <ubuntuLoverV3> bjsnider, nope :) I'm very frugal. But I have considered buying another harddrive
[20:18] <bjsnider> i wonder if it would work with a different hard drive
[20:18] <ubuntuLoverV3> :)
[20:19] <ubuntuLoverV3> bjsnider, I'll throw it out if you send me a replacement ;)
[20:20] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: If your problem is that grub won't load from the hard drive, but you can access the hard drive fine via liveCD you can try installing grub to a CD and have it load the /boot/grub/grub.cfg from the hard drive
[20:21] <ubuntuLoverV3> Jordan_U_, YES, in fact I did that on a USBpen for a while but was hopping there was a fix!
[20:22] <xeer> I unplugged the hard drive, and look at that.. the livecd works now.
[20:22] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: You could ask in #grub, but they will only support GRUB2 ( but it's one of the few channels where the people giving support are actually the developers so they are very knowlageable )
[20:23] <ubuntuLoverV3> oh thank, what's the channel name?
[20:23] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: #grub
[20:23] <ubuntuLoverV3> not grub2 ?
[20:24] <perscitus> how do you move panel now?
[20:24] <Jordan_U_> ubuntuLoverV3: No, there is only one grub channel and it only supports GRUB2
[20:24] <tgpraveen> !info empathy
[20:25] <perscitus> tgpraveen.-> its not real telepathy
[20:25] <tgpraveen> perscitus: ??
[20:25] <tgpraveen> i know its the empathy client using telepathy framework
[20:25] <perscitus> tgpraveen.-> and i said its not real telepathy
[20:26] <tgpraveen> perscitus: what do u mean by "real" telepathy?
[20:26] <cankoy>  /part
[20:26] <perscitus> tgpraveen.->  use a dictionary
[20:28] <GodfatherofEire> Any ideas why Ctrl Alt F7 is causing a kernel panic (I think) when I try to exit the tty console?
[20:28] <dupondje> pfft trying to get the damn g_debug shown :p
[20:29] <perscitus> tgpraveen.->  figure it out yet
[20:30] <GodfatherofEire> Alo?
[20:31] <yofel> perscitus: even if you're talking about telepathy and not telepathy, I think in *this* channel we can just got with tgpraveen's interpretation :P
[20:35] <alexis_> hi! it is possible to edit directly /boot/config-2.6.31-14-generic to enable a feature to (try) to make work my dvb tuner?
[20:36] <alexis_> I saw on linux tv kiwi's that: Some "broken" devices where sold with cold id: 0547:2235 . You will need to enable CONFIG_DVB_USB_DIBUSB_MB_FAULTY in the kernel .config to catch those.
[20:37] <alexis_> (before, in hardy -k2.6.24*- juste adding the firmware in /lib/firmware, it was enough
[20:39] <ChogyDan> hmmm, anyone running karmic UNR right now?
[20:41] <kubuntuser> UNR>
[20:41] <kubuntuser> UNR?
[20:41] <Berzerker> ChogyDan: yes
[20:41] <Berzerker> are there any mirrors for karmic moblin remix? the one off ubuntu.com is really slow
[20:41] <ChogyDan> Berzerker: would you like to test a bug?  sudo shutdown now  isn't working for me
[20:42] <Berzerker> can't right now
[20:42] <ChogyDan> mk
[20:42] <tgpraveen1> yay! just installed karmic and my boot time is down about 1 min
[20:42] <tgpraveen1> its only around 1:10 now
[20:42] <tgpraveen1> from switch on to desktop
[20:43] <tgpraveen1> and mine is a p4 system
[20:43] <syn-ack> mine is 20 seconds
[20:43] <alexis_> sudo shutdown -h now
[20:43] <alexis_> -h
[20:43] <syn-ack> :D
[20:43] <ChogyDan> alexis_: ah! ok
[20:43] <alexis_> or -r to restart
[20:44] <ChogyDan> alexis_: I think I got confused because there is a : sudo reboot
[20:44] <Arsin> My internet is extremely slow is this happening to anyone else? Yesterday in 9.04 it was fine
[20:44] <tgpraveen1> Arsin: i doubt it has more to do with ISP than with ubuntu
[20:45] <apparle> At what time is 9.10 karmic koala releasing?
[20:45] <Lint01> Why do we have this PoS 'Ubuntu Software Center' in default install?
[20:46] <Berzerker> you mean the amazing ubuntu software center?
[20:46] <Berzerker> because it's amazing
[20:46] <tgpraveen1> AMAZING
[20:46] <dAlfa89_> ATTENTION EVERYBODY, UBUNTU 9.10 "KARMIC KOALA" HAS NO SPECIFIC TIME OF RELEASE, ONLY THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED TOMORROW
[20:46] <apparle> dAlfa89_: Here it is already 29th
[20:47] <Lint01> USC interface designers must be flogged
[20:47] <dAlfa89_> Fine, released on the 29th
[20:47] <dAlfa89_> But still, expect it to be released at some point in the day
 ATTENTION EVERYBODY, UBUNTU 9.10 "KARMIC KOALA" HAS NO SPECIFIC TIME OF RELEASE, ONLY THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED TOMORROW  <-- but tomorrow is the 30th...
[20:48] <tgpraveen1> in some timezone
[20:48] <dAlfa89_> Light-, had that pointed out ¬.¬ ^
[20:48] <apparle> Anyone know how many hours to ago.... approx
[20:48] <chazco> How easy is it to change back to GDM or to customise xsplash?
[20:48] <Light-> apparle, if its anything like last time, about 14
[20:49] <apparle> okk thanks
[20:50] <Arsin> I can't seem to watch videos on the internet, ie http://gizmodo.com/5391819/high-res-video-of-ares-i+x-launch?autoplay=true?skyline=true&s=i
[20:50] <villemv> weird
[20:50] <Arsin> No player is coming up
[20:50] <villemv> sound suddenly started working with kde
[20:51] <villemv> I didn't check what apt-get brought be - anyone aware what they fixed?
[20:51] <domjohnson> So, Karmic will be released later today?
[20:51] <kristian2> don't know
[20:51] <domjohnson> What time is it in Ubuntu mean Time?
[20:51] <domjohnson> :P
[20:51] <kristian2> in the past they took their time
[20:51] <villemv> they still got till friday :-)
[20:52] <kristian2> they have time, till the last time zone turns to friday
[20:52] <villemv> if they do it today, you could say the sound issue was "saved by the bell"
[20:52] <domjohnson> I'll just wait til' Monday or whatever
[20:52] <kristian2> but i think that gmt is the ubuntu time, becuae the quarter is in london und parts of africa also have the gmt
[20:53] <domjohnson> ahhhh
[20:53] <domjohnson> In which case, its only the 28th in GMT
[20:53] <kristian2> yes it is
[20:53] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys I have the 9.10 RC installed and when the official release happens tomorrow do I just need to check to see if the final MD5Sum matches the the one I get from the RC image to see if there were any last minute changes added so I know if i can just burn the RC image or if I need to download a final image? Sound about right or is it pretty much guaranteed that I will need to download the final image?
[20:53] <kristian2> 20:53
[20:53] <Anathema2> 20:53 GMT atm
[20:54] <kristian2> download the final image
[20:55] <kristian2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/
[20:55] <kristian2> i think they will put it here as soon it will be released
[20:56] <tonyyarusso> LinuxGuy2009: I can tell you right now the RC image is likely not the final, since the images have changed since then multiple times.
[20:56] <syn-ack> meh
[20:56] <villemv> yeah, and tons of updates keep coming daily
[20:56] <LinuxGuy2009> tonyyarusso: Oh ok thank you that was just the bit of info I wanted to verify.
[20:56] <syn-ack> I'm already running Karmic so its not really that big a deal
[20:56] <syn-ack> just a quick apt-get update and I'll be happy
[20:57] <chazco> With 9.04 the RC was the final... guessing since the RC for 9.10 is a bit iffy still it probably wont be. That and the 200+ updates currently going on after install
[20:57] <villemv> I imagine most ppl on this channel would be running karmic ;-)
[20:57] <syn-ack> Then I dont see what the big deal is. :P
[20:58] <tonyyarusso> Remember folks, some people are still trying to get support here, so please take the speculation and whatnot to #ubuntu-release-party.
[20:59] <chazco> Still trying to customise xsplash and fix the touchscreen, otherwise it's all good :)
[20:59] <narretgrez> hello, after upgrading to karmic koala, internet has become really slow
[20:59] <narretgrez> is this normal?
[20:59] <ubuntuLoverV3> how can I find out the manufactorer of my hard drive?
[20:59] <narretgrez> like after i try to go to a new url, it freezes up sometimes for like 5-6 seconds
[20:59] <LinuxGuy2009> So Ill just need to do a system update to have the final release installed correct? Then just download and burn the ISO with no need to have to reinstall a fresh copy or should I anyways?
[20:59] <narretgrez> or even up to 10 seconds
[21:00] <narretgrez> actually, i'm not sure if it's an issue with firefox or the internet
[21:00] <narretgrez> but the cpu isn't spiking in firefox
[21:00] <villemv> firefox
[21:00] <villemv> bad internet won't peak your browser
[21:00] <villemv> ah
[21:00] <villemv> nvm
[21:00] <narretgrez> k
[21:00] <villemv> late here
[21:00] <Guest1> Karmic has not been released yet correct?
[21:00] <villemv> narretgrez: how about other browsers
[21:01] <Guest1> Anyone...?
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> LinuxGuy2009: If everything looks good, you can just do the upgrade.  If you experience issues after that, a fresh install may help.
[21:01] <narretgrez> villemv: i haven't tried any other browser yet. what other browsers are available?
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: No.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2009> Guest1: Tommorow
[21:01] <villemv> arora, epiphany, w3m...
[21:01] <villemv> konqueror
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: This channel will cease to exist once it does.  Await announcement and party in #ubuntu-release-party
[21:01] <Guest1> Then why are there ISO releases
[21:01] <jemark> lynx
[21:01] <chazco> Is the splash screen supposed to display after login for a bit?
[21:01] <villemv> chazco: yes
[21:01] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: There have been ISO images since like June - they just aren't final.
[21:02] <chazco> Ah ok, thanks villemv
[21:02] <LinuxGuy2009> tonyyarusso: Thank you.
[21:02] <jemark> tomorrow is the final...
[21:02] <Guest1> tonyyarusso: so the ISOs are development versions
[21:02] <tonyyarusso> Guest1: correct
[21:02] <Guest1> thank you
[21:02] <jemark> but i guess if you update the latest daily, you have the final ;)
[21:03] <villemv> incidentally, nvidia performance with kde is *amazing* on karmic
[21:03] <villemv> w/ binary drivers
[21:03] <tonyyarusso> Yes, you can download a daily image and then tomorrow use rsync/zsync to only download the small amount of updates needed, if any.
[21:03] <villemv> I feel like moving around my windows all the time
[21:04] <alankila> hmm, so they finally fixed whatever was ailing KDE4... I saw it sometime soon after Jaunty was released and it felt pretty slow then
[21:04] <BUGabundo> night o/
[21:04] <BUGabundo> 14h to launch :))
[21:04] <villemv> alankila: well, for nvidia anyway
[21:04]  * BUGabundo is happy feet
[21:05] <villemv> supposedly intel too, but on my office intel chip it's still clunky. but so is gnome
[21:05] <villemv> but now, nvidia rocks more than anything rocked before, anywhere
[21:05] <RamunasM> any of you use ubuntu one?
[21:05]  * villemv is on the hyperbole
[21:06] <villemv> RamunasM: ask the actual question ;-)
[21:06] <villemv> as opposed to "any 'nano' gurus in the house?"
[21:06] <Laney> Are the nvidia drivers on Karmic any good?
[21:06] <RamunasM> villemv: how do I add my computer to my account?
[21:06] <villemv> Laney: YES
[21:06] <Laney> oh
[21:06] <Laney> ha!
[21:06] <villemv> RamunasM: it should happen automatically
[21:06] <Laney> I want to get some new quiet graphics
[21:07] <villemv> when you use the applet on new computer
[21:07] <Laney> which will let me play l4d and tf2 on windows but also work on Karmic
[21:07] <Laney> any recommendations?
[21:07] <villemv> for karmic, I'd say nvidia something
[21:07] <villemv> since the new "glorious" ati drivers are not in karmic yet, iirc
[21:08] <bjsnider> what new ati drivers?
[21:08] <villemv> if I've read my phoronix correctly
[21:08]  * Laney shrugs
[21:08] <RamunasM> villemv: well, no go with that
[21:08] <villemv> the open source ones written against ati's specs
[21:08] <Laney> I'm using -ati right now
[21:08] <Laney> works well enough
[21:08] <BluesKaj> anyone on karmic able to play the video here ?  http://www.nasa.gov/#
[21:08] <Laney> just want to make my PC silent and the x1950 I have now is pretty loud
[21:09] <villemv> Laney: all the compositing stuff is working well then?
[21:09] <bjsnider> which open source ati drivers written against ati's specs?
[21:09] <Laney> compiz is fine
[21:09] <Laney> bjsnider: yes
[21:09] <villemv> bjsnider: hold on
[21:09] <Laney> I am watching a flight test
[21:09] <bjsnider> it is difficult to keep track of their many drivers
[21:09] <bpgoldsb> I've got the ubuntu karmic alternate release rc.  I'm PXE booting off of the image on the cd.  I PXE boot fine.  However, during the 'Download Installer Components' section, I get 'No kernel modules found.  This is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the version in the archive'.  Anyone know anything about this
[21:10] <Laney> BluesKaj: yes, even
[21:10] <Laney> bjsnider: -ati works fine
[21:10] <villemv> the ones they talk about here, for example: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_r600_3d&num=1
[21:10] <Laney> -fglrx dropped support for this card, but luckily the Free one is good enough now
[21:10] <Laney> wasn't for <=Jaunty
[21:11] <BluesKaj> Laney, what plugin do we need , any idea , looks like quicktime and wma
[21:12] <Laney> it's using the totem plugin
[21:14] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, that might work with the fluendo codecs installed
[21:14] <BluesKaj> totem isn't aplugin , it's a player
[21:14] <nameiner> I installed amarok under ubuntu and tried to activate the multimedia keys of my laptop. They don't work. They work fine in other applications though. What can I do?
[21:15] <BluesKaj> ok, thanks bjsnider , I'll check it out
[21:17] <scott_ino2> anyone know of a way to tweak compiz to make it faster for slower hardware?
[21:19] <rohan> when :P
[21:20] <arand> scott_ino2: there are some quality setting in the general section in compizconfig...
[21:20] <scott_ino2> yeah im having a look around
[21:21] <scott_ino2> it's hard to tell the naming structure of these things
[21:21] <scott_ino2> since minimize effect is turned off, yet the standard minimize/maximize effect does something
[21:22] <Arsin> Videos on Veoh aren't working any help?
[21:24] <cdm10> Hmm. The new Devicekit-Power thingy has some drawbacks. For one thing, it doesn't display "Provides x minutes of power" any more, and seems to base remaining times on BIOS-reported remaining times, which are quite volatile and quite a bit less accurate than g-p-m's older formula.
[21:25] <arand> scott_ino2: since that is defined in animations I think... There is a reason why compizconfig isn't shipped per default...
[21:26] <scott_ino2> arand, yeah... just playing around with it, i don't really want compiz but i don't want uglyness either so im trying to adjust it for a good mix
[21:26] <scott_ino2> no worries
[21:28] <scott_ino2> arand, only problem i have is maximizing is slow
[21:29] <Cahan> damn, Karmic still seems to have the bug where my wifi card will randomly lock up
[21:30] <awozniak> Delvien: how do you re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace in Karmic?
[21:30] <Delvien> awozniak: system> pref > keyboard > layouts > layout options, the option is in there.
[21:31] <Delvien> awozniak: find it ?
[21:31] <awozniak> yep, ty
[21:31] <Delvien> np :)
[21:31] <awozniak> Delvien: yep, ty
[21:31] <Delvien> kk im out of this channel, have fun folks
[21:32] <Arsin> My sound isn't working in 9.04 it did but not now
[21:33] <hggdh> Arsin: if you are running 9.04, this is the wrong channel: we deal exclusively with 9.10 (until tomorrow)
[21:33] <hggdh> please try #ubuntu
[21:34] <Berzerker> anyone here using karmic moblin remix?
[21:34] <Cahan> is there no sound configurer in xubuntu?
[21:35] <nztal> what are some of the more modern internet chipsets supported under karmic ?
[21:35] <nztal> err intel motherboard chipsets
[21:36] <cdm10> nztal: most Intel chipsets are fully supported, I believe -- Intel has a very good record of open-source compatibility.
[21:37] <villemv> too bad some intel chips work very slow still
[21:37] <villemv> even if they are supported
[21:38] <arand> hggdh: Arsin: No, I think this is the right channel... if your issues are in karmic as you stated.
[21:38]  * yofel throws a side note to GME500 into the room...
[21:39] <hggdh> arand, indeed, this is why I said "if you are running 9.04 (...)"
[21:41] <sourcemaker> in karmic... akonadi crashs...
[21:41] <sourcemaker> is this a known problem?
[21:42] <Berzerker> nztal: X58 and P55 are both supporte.
[21:42] <Berzerker> d
[21:43] <Cahan> when I get a pidgin notification in the top right hand screen and move the mouse to click it (in order that it brings Pidgin to the forefront and lets me read the new message) the notification disappears when my mouse is over it, is this intended behaviour?
[21:44] <mMezquitale> hey is it the 29th yet???  at what time zone will karmic be officially released???
[21:45] <dAlfa89_> Cahan, yes, you can't actually click that type of notification, there is a Pidgin plugin that opens "Toaster" popups at the bottom-left that you can click on, if you prefer
[21:45] <dAlfa89_> Bottom-right*
[21:45] <Cahan> that's terrible usability :|
[21:46] <dAlfa89_> They're only intended to notify, it uses the libnotify engine thing, just like Rhythmbox
[21:46] <Lint01> what the hell is difference?
[21:47] <yofel> mMezquitale: there is no fixed release time, it will be released sometime on the 29th.
[21:47] <Lint01> how can I change the login screen in kk?
[21:47] <Cahan> the average users conceptual model of a notification pop-up is that when they click it it provides more information / takes them to whatever program generated it
[21:49] <shinka> I have a problem with the Ubuntu Software Center. I tried to install "Inkscape", but the progress is stuck at 72% "Applying change". I cannot install any new program and there's no X at the right of the progress bar to cancel it. Funny fact; Inkscape seem to have been downloaded and installed properly.
[21:51] <Arsin> arand: hggdh: Ya it is 9.10
[21:52] <holstein> did /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules get move?
[21:52] <holstein> moved*
[21:52] <holstein> im trying to get a firewire audio device working
[21:52] <holstein> get my permissions persitent
[21:55] <shinka> Nobody has an idea (it's quite an annoying problem) ?
[21:55] <holstein> sorry shinka, i havent checked out the new software center yet
[21:55] <bucky> ikonia sucked a fart from my ass and swallowed it
[21:56] <holstein> so you can launch inkscape shinka?
[21:57] <shinka> holstein: yes
[21:57] <holstein> might just be a little glitch
[21:57] <holstein> lots of changes happening
[21:57] <holstein> :)
[21:57] <shinka> Yep, but now I'm trying to install new programs and I can't ;)
[21:57] <awozniak> Are there any known bugs with 9.10 beta around CIFS and file names being mangled?
[21:58] <holstein> have you killed the software center shinka?
[21:58] <holstein> or is it still just hanging from before?
[21:59] <shinka> holstein: I can close the software center, but when I open it again it still say inscape is "in progress", all other programs I try to download are "waiting". There's no X to kill the process specifically for inkscape.
[22:00] <Arsin> My sound isn't working in 9.04 it did but not now in 9.10
[22:00] <holstein> i usually track down and kill with htop
[22:00] <holstein> you could try that i guess
[22:01] <holstein> have you rebooted shinka?
[22:01] <holstein> i know its not windows, but that might be the path of least resistance
[22:01] <shinka> No. I'll try that.
[22:01] <shinka> But if it doesn't work, you think I could kill the process with htop ?
[22:02] <holstein> you could poke around in there and see what shows up in htop
[22:02] <shinka> I'll try that. Thank you.
[22:02] <holstein> i not sure exactly why its hung up
[22:02] <holstein> strange
[22:04] <holstein> drag Arsin
[22:04] <holstein> SO your sound did work with 9.04, and not now with 9.10?
[22:04] <Arsin> holstein: What? drag?
[22:04] <Arsin> holstein: Yes
[22:05] <holstein> hmmm
[22:05] <nxnn14> anyone know why when I shutdown instead of seeing the usplash graphic the screen is full of like different colored pinstripes
[22:05] <Arsin> holstein: I didn't install anything either
[22:05] <holstein> OH, so its not working from the live CD then
[22:05] <Arsin> holstein: I meant, in 9.04 I didn't need to install any drivers
[22:06] <holstein> OH ok
[22:06] <villemv> Arsin, sound was broken in Kubuntu until today
[22:06] <villemv> at least for me
[22:06] <holstein> well, im no expert, but you could try getting all updates
[22:06] <Dink> nxnn14, known bug iirc. Try to remove splash from kernel line, update-grub, reboot
[22:06] <villemv> but I installed kubuntu-desktop over plain ubuntu
[22:07] <nxnn14> dink: cool thanks
[22:07] <villemv> probably something about kde not playing nice with pulseaudio
[22:07] <Arsin> holstein: I have
[22:07] <holstein> and its showing up in like lspic?
[22:07] <holstein> lspci*
[22:08] <holstein> thats probably not the issue anyways
[22:08] <nxnn14> how do I "remove splash from kernel line"
[22:08] <villemv> sound card drivers are almost never the problem
[22:08] <villemv> try "lsof | grep snd" Arsin
[22:08] <villemv> it can give a clue
[22:09] <Arsin> villemv: No command found
[22:09] <Arsin> villemv: nvm
[22:10] <Arsin> villemv: http://paste.ubuntu.com/303854/
[22:11] <villemv> looks good
[22:11] <villemv> check your volume
[22:11] <holstein> yeah, the volume, and all the tick-able boxes
[22:12] <Arsin> villemv: holstein: Maxed physically and virtually
[22:12] <cshark> does anyone use ubuntu with virualbox is there many known failures that come with it? have used previous ubuntu releases but that was a long time ago. I am really interested in it again but going to test it through virtualbox for a month or two before I install it locally.
[22:12] <nxnn14> Dink: how do I remove splash from the kernel line?
[22:12] <innomen> is there someway i can get the old add remove software thing instead of this software center?
[22:13] <villemv> nxnn14: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:13] <cshark> or should a virtualbox installation be the same as if I installed it on my harddrive with it's own partion etc.
[22:13] <innomen> it makes batch installing and uninstalling a real pill
[22:13] <nxnn14> villemv: ty
[22:13] <Dink> nxnn14, edit /etc/default/grub
[22:13] <nxnn14> which is right? two people gave two different answers
[22:13] <Dink> karmic ?
[22:13] <villemv> Arsin: check if you have earphones connected ;-). also, are you on kde or gnome?
[22:13] <starcube> Anybody can help me? I installed karmic on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop. The internet doesnt work, neither via ethernet or wireless card.
[22:14] <Arsin> villemv: Gnome
[22:14] <nxnn14> Dink: ya i am on karmic if that was fo me
[22:14] <Dink> nxnn14, yeah edit /etc/default/grub. There is a GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT param remove splash
[22:14] <villemv> I don't even have that file Dink
[22:15] <villemv> ah
[22:15] <villemv> it's a grub2 thing
[22:15] <Arsin> villemv: k I fiddled with my hardware and it works, thanks
[22:15] <Dink> nxnn14, then run update-grub2
[22:15] <Dink> yeah
[22:15] <villemv> Arsin: excellent
[22:15] <nxnn14> Dink: ok so that line should look like grub_cmdline_linux_default="quiet" or get rid of quite to
[22:15] <Dink> leave quiet
[22:15] <Arsin> My internet is SLOW and no it is not an ISP problem, speed test says I have a good connection so I don't see what's the problem. Pages load really slow
[22:15] <nxnn14> kk ty
[22:16] <villemv> Arsin: wlan?
[22:17] <villemv> my wlan sucked on Jaunty, but rocks on Karmic (ath5k driver)
[22:17] <Dink> nxnn14, remember to update-grub2
[22:17] <nxnn14> dink, ok
[22:17] <andreas_> I have problem with my soundcard.
[22:18] <starcube> Oh to add, it doesnt seem to try to connect at all.
[22:18] <unimatrix> who's going to an ubuntu release party tomorrow and get hammered?
[22:19] <andreas_> I have a Clicking sound all the time, whats wrong? :S
[22:19] <starcube> I want an ubuntu release party in Clitheroe.
[22:20] <holstein> andreas_: you could check and see if you have an input unmuted and going out to the speakers
[22:20] <dupondje> tomorrow is the day :D
[22:20] <holstein> maybe the internal mic
[22:20] <ckw> Did any behavior change in Karmic with regards to the disk checks after 30 mounts?
[22:20] <holstein> if its a laptop
[22:21] <dupondje> ckw: that filesystem dependant
[22:21] <dupondje> you can change it tho
[22:21] <nxnn14> Dink: this may sound dumb, but now the usplash is gone, so are the crazy lines on shutdown at least tho
[22:21] <ckw> dupondje: Does it still do it at startup?
[22:21] <ckw> or does it put it into hte background
[22:21] <ckw> and let you log in?
[22:21] <dupondje> does it at startup
[22:21] <dupondje> there is no other possibility
[22:21] <dupondje> as fsck needs to happen when the device is read-only
[22:21] <ckw> I came in here last night with a problem that my home partition wasn't mounting
[22:22] <ckw> with a busy error, and it wouldn't let me mount it anywhere else
[22:22] <ckw> But then it suddenly mounted itself
[22:22] <ckw> The only explanation I can think of is if the disk check was running and went into the background
[22:23] <ckw> So the partition really was busy (with the disk check), and it was mounted as soon as it finished
[22:23] <unimatrix> starcube: there's one in Manchester :P
[22:23] <aprilhare> ever get the feeling your favourite bug won't get addressed before release? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/460118
[22:23] <chunknuts> Anyone have a problem with booting the Xubuntu RC LiveCD?
[22:23] <ckw> Is this impossible/completely wrong, or could I be right for once?
[22:23] <starcube> unimatrix: Nice!
[22:24] <andreas_> nån svensk som kan hjälpa mig med ljudet?
[22:27] <andreas_> help me, still have clicking sound. turn off ALL ingoing sound and have only outgoing
[22:27] <innomen> where does empathy store its account details?
[22:28] <innomen> !empathy
[22:29] <innomen> where is application data not kept in its own folder ususally stored?
[22:29] <andreas_> hello?! pls help me
[22:30] <BUGabundo> innomen: try $ mlocate empa | more
[22:31] <BUGabundo> innomen: I suspect its inside .gnome2 or something
[22:31] <andreas_> when I play music I dont have any click sound, but when I shut down the music player it starts with clicking sound
[22:31] <BUGabundo> !ask | andreas_
[22:31] <bjsnider> maybe inside .config
[22:31] <arand> andreas_: #ubuntu-se är svenska kanalen, även om det troligtvis finns mer folk som kan karmic och ljud här inne, endast engelska här dock.
[22:32] <arand> innomen: it's a strange place, I recall, hang on...
[22:32] <matahari> hi all
[22:32] <matahari>  it is very strange. on my karmic-install apache2 userdirs don't work anymore. Module is enabled, and rights are put in correctly (www-data:www-data). Anyway, i always gets an 403 Forbidden Error when i am tring to access a page there. Some ideas? Thanks in Advance
[22:32] <innomen> arand, holding
[22:33] <BUGabundo> innomen: try $ mlocate empa | more
[22:33] <arand> innomen: ~/.applicationname but for empathy...
[22:33] <bjsnider> try ~/.config/empathy
[22:34] <innomen> bjsnider, thats it
[22:34] <innomen> bjsnider, thanks
[22:34] <innomen> thanks guys :)
[22:34] <joaopinto> its ~/.configu/Empathy, not empathy :P
[22:34] <joaopinto> config
[22:35] <Dink> nxnn14, that is basically what you stopped from loading. That is the cause of the problem.
[22:35] <innomen> well no, the config file has a single inin file that only has one parameter
[22:35] <arand> innomen: ~/.mission-control is the badger.
[22:35] <nxnn14> Dink: right, so there is no way to have the nice looking boot and shutdown
[22:35] <innomen> i'm looking for the account details, i want to delete them
[22:36] <Dink> nxnn14, I have the same issue myself. I don't mind since I need to boot to term anyways.
[22:36] <innomen> arand, there we go, thanks, what an odd place
[22:36] <innomen> arand, how in the world did you find that?
[22:36] <nxnn14> Dink: ok hopefully this gets fixed soon i guess then
[22:37] <Dink> nxnn14, its usplash related
[22:38] <joaopinto> erm, telepathy is not XDG compliant ?
[22:38] <joaopinto> ops, empathy
[22:38] <bjsnider> mission-control. of course! what else would it be called?it makes perfect sense
[22:38] <nxnn14> Dink: right, it would be nice if it all worked
[22:38] <Dink> I haven't dug up the bug # myself but probably a good idea to post on there your findings once the bug id is found ;)
[22:38] <nxnn14> Dink: sounds good
[22:40] <chaos2fu> hii where do i change between alsa, pulseaudio and so on for the sound?
[22:40] <RamunasM> thanks for the help guys, night :)
[22:40] <arand> innomen: well, mission-control is the back-end for some part of empathy... I got told by someone else
[22:40] <innomen> How do i completely uninstall an app?
[22:40] <innomen> "completely remove" apprently dosent do that
[22:40] <Byron> Is there a meta package for the netbook version of Karmic?
[22:40] <arand> bjsnider: *agreed
[22:41] <innomen> i did it to empathy try to delete the account data, i reinstalled and the data was still there
[22:41] <chaos2fu> hii where do i change between alsa, pulseaudio and so on for the sound?
[22:42] <Dink> nxnn14, just curious what video card ?
[22:42] <dtchen> chaos2fu: the same place you've always done it: in an asoundrc
[22:42] <zetheroo> It's still "Coming Soon"
[22:42] <dtchen> chaos2fu: granted, the GUI side is less friendly now
[22:43] <nxnn14> Dink: nvidia 8600 gts
[22:43] <arand> innomen: you "completely remove" it and the you delete user-specific files in your ~/
[22:43] <andreas_> how do I find asoundrc ?
[22:43] <arand> The removal of a package will never remove user-specific settings
[22:43] <patrickT> .
[22:43] <chaos2fu> dtchen how do i use asoundrc then?
[22:43] <chaos2fu> i have done it graphically before??
[22:44] <arand> ... if they are in ~/ at least
[22:44] <quentusrex_> Now, will there be any difference if I install the beta now
[22:44] <quentusrex_> and upgrade later
[22:44] <TecnoBrat> Is there any known issues with 9.10 and the "Xorg" process eating up lots of CPU?
[22:45] <quentusrex_> or should I wait to install the release friday?
[22:45] <innomen> arand, i cant find them, the folder you sent me to even when deleted apears to do nothing at all
[22:46] <Koken> could someone help me? after installing ubuntu 9.10 rc, my machine does not boot.
[22:46] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, you can safely upgrade now
[22:46] <chunknuts> TecnoBrat: I haven't seen any issues with Xorg
[22:46] <chaos2fu> Koken, are u using VGA?
[22:47] <Koken> i have a digital monitor
[22:47] <zetheroo> tick tock
[22:47] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, so I can install beta, and safely upgrade to the release on friday?
[22:47] <homerslice75> quick question: Friend has a dell mini 9, should he go with Ubuntu 9.10 or Ubuntu Remix 9.10
[22:47] <quentusrex_> and there will be no differences?
[22:47] <chaos2fu> is it a laptop?
[22:47] <almoxarife> is there something I can do to spin down usb drives when they are idle?
[22:47] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, install today's daily livecd
[22:47] <TecnoBrat> And I just answered my own question.
[22:47] <TecnoBrat> Google, how I love you.
[22:47] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, ok
[22:47] <Koken> nope, its a (blech) hp desktop
[22:47] <TecnoBrat> Its conky
[22:48] <chaos2fu> Nvidia graphics?
[22:48] <Koken> yes
[22:48] <TecnoBrat> killed conky, and Xorg cpu usage dropped down to normal :)
[22:48] <Koken> and it has a dvi connector to the monitor. but that isnt the problem
[22:48] <homerslice75> almoxarife: yes
[22:48] <tormod> almoxarife, depends on the drive (or the usb bridge), try hdparm or sdparm on it
[22:48] <Koken> ubuntu never even boots up
[22:48] <chaos2fu> what is the problem?
[22:49] <zetheroo> homerslice75: remix
[22:49] <Koken> when i turn on my computer, i get a black screen with the single word "GRUB" at the top left. nothing else
[22:49] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, any changes between today and the release?
[22:49] <almoxarife> thnks
[22:49] <arand> innomen: have you completely restarted empathy as well after?
[22:49] <quentusrex_> I mean, will there be any*
[22:49] <Koken> and my keyboard and mouse are unresponsive
[22:49] <Koken> also, at the end of the installation, i think something crashed
[22:49] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, there will be a few inconsequential updates and bugfixes
[22:49] <chaos2fu> yeah my point, i have a laptop and using VGA output on it..when the cable is in it wont boot...
[22:49] <homerslice75> zetheroo: remix because, it's faster?
[22:49] <Koken> but i didnt check exactly what checked
[22:49] <chaos2fu> when the cable is out, it will boot..
[22:49] <zetheroo> homerslice75: created for netbooks
[22:50] <Koken> well, i think its a problem with grub.
[22:50] <innomen> arand, yes, the people in ubuntu tell me totally removing an app is impossible "by design"
[22:50] <chaos2fu> My thought was if it was the same problem for u to? cause i have nvidia too..
[22:50] <homerslice75> zetheroo: okay
[22:50] <quentusrex_> thanks bjsnider
[22:50] <zetheroo> I hope the Intel gfx support is better in KArmic
[22:50] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, and what about a dist-upgrade from 9.04?
[22:51] <chaos2fu> Koken; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/449202
[22:52] <Koken> chaos2fu: do you end up with a black screen with the word "GRUB" at the top left?
[22:52] <Koken> thats what happens with me
[22:52] <Koken> it says "GRUB" and i cant do anything
[22:52] <chaos2fu> No i end up with nothing at all, it goes through the grup countdown and then nothing happens..the LED for the harddrive aint showing any acitivites..
[22:52] <Koken> i dont even go to the ubuntu logo
[22:53] <chaos2fu> same here koken
[22:53] <Koken> but, my screen says "GRUB"
[22:53] <Koken> and all my computer does is say "GRUB" and i cant do anything
[22:53] <Byron> Koken: Is that all it says? No error message?
[22:53] <Koken> nope
[22:53] <Koken> just GRUB
[22:53] <Koken> when i boot it up
[22:54] <Byron> Koken: Is it a prompt?
[22:54] <Koken> no
[22:54] <Koken> i cant do anything with my keyboard when its like that
[22:54] <Koken> just the word "GRUB"
[22:54] <bjsnider> quentusrex_, it's not how i do it. i clean install
[22:54] <Byron> Can you obtain Super Grub Disk and boot from that?
[22:54] <arand> innomen: the data in your home folder is supposed to be indpendet of the sysadmin installing/removing/reinstalling applications globally... In a single-user interface it might make less sense though...
[22:54] <Koken> i am going to reinstall it once more: after its finished installing, apport pops up saying something crashed
[22:55]  * Koken pops in the cd and boots up
[22:55] <chaos2fu> This is for u koken; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/450493
[22:55] <Byron> Do you recall what fails, Koken?
[22:55] <chaos2fu> i think thats the problem..
[22:55] <Koken> once the error message reappears, i'll tell you again
[22:55] <Koken> i didnt read the error message
[22:55] <chaos2fu> good night everyboady...
[22:55] <Koken> and chaos2fu, i am pretty sure it isnt. it prolly has something to do with grub
[22:55] <chunknuts> good night
[22:56] <chaos2fu> ok anyway good luck,.then just reinstall or reconfigure grub..;-)
[22:56] <Koken> so, i'm going to try reinstalling, and then i'll read exactly what crashes at the end of the installation
[22:56] <HBX> quick question if you have the rc1 installed and then run the upgrade will it replace and upgrade everything..cause certain things are messed up like emrald doesnt work....
[22:57] <zetheroo> anyone know anything about Intel gfx in Karmic?
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> HBX: "maybe"  It should upgrade, but if things are still odd afterwards try a fresh install.
[22:58] <Byron> Too bad chaos2fu is gone. I was going to give thanks for that bug. that's something that I'm experiencing.
[22:58] <HBX> well im trying to avoid backing up and reinstalling ..i have it working nicely with all my apps
[22:59] <HBX> and i dont feel like writing a bash script to install everything ...too lazy today
[22:59] <Half-Left> I seem to be hitting a bug in kdm every so many boots with Kubuntu KK. The login screen shows and then seems to start loading the KDE splash screen, then shops at the Hard Drive icon(first icon to fade in)
[23:00] <Half-Left> stops*
[23:01] <Half-Left> a manual kill of kdm in the other TTY gives me the kdm login screen back
[23:04] <innomen> uninstalled via synaptic, "completely remove," sudo apt-get --purge remove empathy, sudo apt-get autoremove, sudo apt-get clean, Deleted the empathy folders in .config and .gconf/apps, deleted the .mission-control folder... reinstalled and it STILL remembered my account details lol
[23:05] <mzz> innomen: did you get ~/.config/Empathy too?
[23:05] <mzz> ah, sorry, you said you did
[23:06] <innomen> mzz, yup, no worries
[23:06] <innomen> :)
[23:06] <zetheroo> anyone using Karmic with Intel gfx?
[23:06] <mzz> innomen: assume you checked the app wasn't running after purging it and its config files?
[23:07] <innomen> mzz, well i closed it i didnt exactly scan the process list
[23:07] <mzz> (not just empathy but also whatever backend you're using)
[23:07] <innomen> backend?
[23:07] <mzz> well, I'm not currently using it, but iirc the part that talks to the network is a separate process
[23:08] <mzz> anything with "telepathy" in its name in the process list, basically.
[23:08] <innomen> too bad there isnt a revo unistaller for linux heh
[23:08] <mzz> ?
[23:11] <mzz> hmm, I guess getting windows (2000) to use a networked pulseaudio server on a different system would be nontrivial
[23:16] <innomen> empathy is awful
[23:16] <tag> Are there any fixes coming soon?  tilda segfaults on me and evolution-mapi continues to only *almost* work.
[23:16] <innomen> it wont even let me delete the accounts via the application itself
[23:16] <tag> innomen: amen
[23:16] <tag> innomen: I just removed it and installed pidgin
[23:17] <innomen> oh you didnt remove it
[23:17] <innomen> you only think you did
[23:17] <innomen> i assure you
[23:17]  * mzz shrugs
[23:17] <tag> well, I removed the package
[23:17] <tag> whatever that does
[23:17] <innomen> yea
[23:17] <mzz> I don't see it getting in the way *that* much if you're not using it
[23:17] <innomen> mzz, dude i dont like plaintext of ym account logins being buried on my syttem somewhere where i dont know where it is
[23:18] <innomen> thats a majori security risk
[23:18] <innomen> for all i know it'll get snapped up by some crash report and posted somewhere
[23:19]  * mzz shrugs, has way scarier things in ~
[23:19] <tag> mzz: I'm only bummed about empathy because I've always thought of ubuntu as best of breed...I figured this is why firefox was the default browser, rather than epiphany.  I'd hark the same should be true for pidgin vs. empathy, until empathy surpasses pidgin, I'd like to see pidgin there by default.  </opinion>
[23:19] <mzz> but yeah, ymmv and all that
[23:19] <mzz> I don't use either, so I'm really not that useful a person to talk to about this
[23:19] <domjohnson> bjour!
[23:19] <mzz> I tried it briefly for irc, but it doesn't really suit me
[23:20] <tag> It's no good for IRC.
[23:20] <mzz> well, not even exactly irc, I told it to connect to an irssi-proxy. Results were confusing at best.
[23:21] <tag> I wish evolution-mapi worked
[23:21] <chunknuts> I didn't realize empathy had problems
[23:21] <Kamilion> trying to figure out where the heck empathy/telepathy keeps it's account info right now
[23:22] <innomen> chunknuts, it buries your account detials somewhere and refuses to tell you where or delete them through the app or otherwise
[23:22] <chunknuts> lol
[23:22] <chunknuts> that sucks!
[23:22] <innomen> it sucks badly
[23:22] <chunknuts> is it in gconf?
[23:22] <innomen> i dont want my im logins ending up in a crash report somewhere for google to see
[23:23] <Kamilion> empathy asks telepathy to deal with the account  somehow
[23:23] <innomen> chunknuts, it has folders in gconf, config, and apprently local, but i dont have the local one and i deleted the other two, no dice
[23:23] <innomen> chunknuts, uninstalled via synaptic, "completely remove," sudo apt-get --purge remove empathy, sudo apt-get autoremove, sudo apt-get clean, Deleted the empathy folders in .config and .gconf/apps, deleted the .mission-control folder... reinstalled and it STILL remembered my account details lol
[23:24] <innomen> thats a repaste of what i said earlier
[23:24] <chunknuts> wow
[23:24] <chunknuts> scary
[23:24] <chunknuts> it's like Microsoft!
[23:24] <innomen> worse dude
[23:24] <innomen> revo uninstaller would ahve wiped it out
[23:24] <stpere> innomen: gconf?
[23:24] <stpere> oh
[23:25] <innomen> i could let it slide if empathy wasnt about to eb the default im client
[23:25] <MightyTweek> innomen: go into accessories>passwords and encryption keys... they're there, encrypted, in your keyring. Stop trying to scare people.
[23:25] <ThomasBerends> Hi, in how many hours will Ubuntu 9.10 be released??
[23:25] <innomen> MightyTweek, what are you talking about?
[23:25] <scott_ino2> does anyone know how i can verify VLC is actually using Xvideo and not something else?
[23:25] <tormod> ThomasBerends, wrong channel and wrong question
[23:26] <Kamilion> innomen: AHHA! FOUND IT!
[23:26] <Kamilion> Seahorse is managing the credentials.
[23:26] <innomen> MightyTweek, i dont see "passwords" in accessories
[23:26] <almoxarife> life without net neutrality-> http://i.imgur.com/5RrWm.png
[23:26] <chunknuts> lol!
[23:26] <Kamilion> The same thingy that stores SSH keys
[23:26] <innomen> Kamilion, so how do i kill them?
[23:26] <DonaldShimoda> ThomasBerends, when i ready i hope
[23:26] <Kamilion> Applications -> Accessories -> Passwords and Encryption Keys
[23:26] <scott_ino2> ThomasBerends, just go for it dude
[23:26] <Kamilion> or run 'seahorse'
[23:26] <DonaldShimoda> ThomasBerends, i mind: when IS ready
[23:27] <bjsnider> ThomasBerends, you can safely upgrade now
[23:27] <chunknuts> lol
[23:27] <innomen> Kamilion, i dont see that anywhere
[23:27] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, true, it works like a charm
[23:27] <ThomasBerends> bjsnider: i know that upgrading to the RC is possible (a)
[23:27] <Kamilion> innomen: then just run 'seahorse' (you are running ubuntu, right?)
[23:27] <innomen> yea i have seahorse up now
[23:28] <Kamilion> Should be under the "passwords" tab
[23:28] <innomen> what am i looking for? i only see two things
[23:28] <Kamilion> mine says "account: haze/yahoo/<myyahooname>, param: password"
[23:28] <innomen> they are both somewhat non descript
[23:28] <tormod> ThomasBerends, wrong, if you upgrade now you get final and not RC
[23:29] <ThomasBerends> tormod: huh? :\
[23:29] <joaopinto> !final | ThomasBerends
[23:29] <innomen> Kamilion, no mine doesn't show that just my wifi pass and my autologin
[23:29] <ThomasBerends> I didn't installed 9.10.. xD
[23:29] <ThomasBerends> well.. i tested the RC.. in a virtualmachine..
[23:29] <Kamilion> innomen: Basically, your passwords are safe. They're stored in the same place ubuntu uses to keep disk encryption keys, SSH keys, PGP keys, wireless WEP/WPA passwords
[23:30] <almoxarife> is the copy/cut/paste action on right click a per application script? what I am trying to figure out is if its possible to add 'search for' as an option universally in ubuntu??? any thoughts?
[23:30] <Kamilion> if they ain't in there, you got a bigger problem
[23:30] <innomen> Kamilion, well for my own viseral understanding i'd like to delete them and launch empathy and have ti act like its never been run
[23:30] <innomen> Kamilion, then i have the bigger problem
[23:30] <Dai> oh that's right, it's the 29th in GMT and east.
[23:30] <Kamilion> Well, then just wipe out every stored password in seahorse and see if it makes any difference. You can always put your wifi password back in.
[23:30] <innomen> Dai, its 7:30 eastern time
[23:31] <Dai> innomen: eastern time isn't GMT, is it?
[23:31] <innomen> Kamilion, but i knwo what these two are
[23:31] <innomen> Dai, i honeastly dont know heh
[23:31] <Dai> innomen: "and in time zones further east"
[23:31] <Dai> i could have worded that better
[23:32] <Kamilion> innomen: Sorry then, I've kinda reached my limit of hackin'.
[23:32] <Dai> but now will come the flood of "is it out?" people.  i should log here and #ubuntu and see how much i'd make if i actually did get a nickel for every time someone said that.
[23:32] <innomen> Kamilion, thats fine
[23:32] <Kamilion> innomen: Good luck tracking it any further though.
[23:33] <innomen> Kamilion, i'll just cross my fingers and hope where ever it went its encrypted
[23:34] <innomen> really sad though, makes you wonder how empathy got to be the default client haveing such a huge flaw
[23:34] <Kamilion> I don't consider that to be a flaw.
[23:34] <pipegeek> does this mean that if I continually ask "when", I can prolong this delicious state of anticipation indefinitely?
[23:34] <bjsnider> empathy had video support before pidgin did
[23:34] <Kamilion> I consider pidgin's practice of keeping crappily hashed passwords in ~/.purple/
[23:34] <Kamilion> to be much much worse.
[23:34] <innomen> Kamilion, well thats your opinion, i tend ot think my login details being someplace i dont know about is dangerous
[23:34] <pipegeek> what's the flaw?  out of curiosity
[23:34] <innomen> Kamilion, well at elast i knew where they were in pidgin
[23:35] <pipegeek> or, "flaw"
[23:35] <Kamilion> pipegeek: he's cheesed off cause empathy stores account info in seahorse
[23:35] <innomen> and could delete them if need be
[23:35] <pipegeek> aah
[23:35] <Kamilion> and it's hard to track down
[23:35] <innomen> Kamilion, uhh no it dosent
[23:35] <innomen> Kamilion, i'm looking at seahorse, empty
[23:35] <pipegeek> why is that a flaw?  I thought everything was supposed to
[23:35] <Kamilion> I ended up going through lsof and strace before I noticed it was talking to seahorse with a pipe
[23:35] <pipegeek> I thought that was the point
[23:35] <Kamilion> pipegeek: it is the point. But you can't please everyone.
[23:35] <innomen> pipegeek, yea if thats where they actually were
[23:35] <pipegeek> aah
[23:36] <Kamilion> I prefer empathy keeping it's passwords in the global password place.
[23:36] <innomen> Kamilion, are you halucinating? what part of "they arent in seahorse" is unclear?
[23:36] <Kamilion> pipegeek: for some reason his empathy accounts arn't showing up in seahorse.
[23:36] <pipegeek> gottit
[23:36] <joaopinto> incidence, empathy got default because it's better integrated with gnome and also it has better plans from a tecnhical perspective, not because it's better than pidgin at it's current state
[23:36] <Animagladius> Hi, ladies.
[23:36] <pipegeek> slightly worrisome
[23:36] <joaopinto> ops, was for innomen
[23:36] <innomen> joaopinto, cool
[23:37] <innomen> Kamilion, you say "for some reason" i say "because empathy has a huge hole" tomato tomato :)
[23:37] <pipegeek> also pidgin hasn't, to my knowledge, seen major feature development in a long time
[23:37] <pipegeek> particularly vv just didn't come and didn't come and didn't come
[23:37] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[23:37] <Animagladius> Yeah, it's somehow at one point for like... a year?
[23:37] <Kamilion> http://img88.yfrog.com/img88/540/screenshoty.png
[23:37] <Animagladius> Hi ShapeShifter499
[23:37] <Kamilion> innomen:  Unfortunately, if this was an LP bug, I'd have to mark it "works for me"
[23:38] <innomen> agreed, but at least pidgin sint going to result in my account details ending up buried in a crash report somewhere, if i dont knwo where they are i cant be assured they are encrypted
[23:38] <Animagladius> I hope that's not the standard design :D
[23:38] <innomen> Kamilion, only because you gave up
[23:38] <Kamilion> Okay, fine, "can't reproduce" then.
[23:38] <innomen> fair enough
[23:38] <Kamilion> not so much that I gave up, but I can't go any further because "it works for me" as http://img88.yfrog.com/img88/540/screenshoty.png shows
[23:39] <ShapeShifter499> I have a acer aspire one 8.9 inch netbook(sub-laptop) and I recently updated to 9.10 from 9.04 and installed the lxde desktop environment, now when I am in gnome pcman has been set as my main file manager, I don't want that when I boot into gnome, I want nautilus, how do I fix this?
[23:39] <innomen> Kamilion, but you never had my problem
[23:39] <innomen> Kamilion, you just went looking for the account details
[23:39] <Kamilion> True, but I did at least attempt to discover the nature of your problem.
[23:40] <innomen> Kamilion, did you delete yours and restart empathy?
[23:40] <pipegeek> innomen: if you find wherever your account details, then you will either have your answer or sufficient grounds to file a bug report
[23:40] <pipegeek> ... right?
[23:40] <pipegeek> *your account details are buried
[23:40] <Kamilion> innomen:  yeah, and it asked me to set up a new account.
[23:40] <innomen> pipegeek, i'm goign to make a bug report anyway
[23:40] <innomen> Kamilion, awesome, thats what i want mine to do >.<
[23:41] <MightyTweek> innomen: you didn't run seahorse as root by any chance, did you?
[23:41] <Kamilion> innomen: Ahha, relaunched empathy, and now I get "Network error" [Edit Account]
[23:41] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: i thing in system preferences u have an option to set default programs... check that out, or u could try to find in gconf-editor "file manager" or something like that
[23:41] <innomen> MightyTweek, i ran it via terminal without sudo
[23:41] <Kamilion> it remembered my username.
[23:41] <Kamilion> But my password is indeed gone.
[23:41] <innomen> Kamilion, so go find the user name, maybe that will sovle my issue
[23:41] <innomen> :P
[23:42] <joaopinto> innomen, knowing about your login info places doesnt make you safer, knowing that it's encrypted and password protected, like you have found know about empathy, that's protection
[23:42] <innomen> this is like registry entry leftovers
[23:42] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: ok hold on...
[23:42] <innomen> joaopinto, yea but how do i knwo that if i cant go look?
[23:42] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[23:42] <joaopinto> innomen, you know, we already told you where the account info is set
[23:42] <innomen> joaopinto, and i wiped out all those places
[23:43] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: oh..
[23:43] <Kamilion> innomen: Considering I'm at work right now, unless you've got $15, you're stuck with my 'free service' of 'if you don't like it <insert colorful epitaph here> yourself.'
[23:43] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: brb reading it now
[23:43] <joaopinto> innomen, so, what's your problem now ?
[23:43] <Kamilion> s/$15/$15 and a paypal account
[23:43] <joaopinto> does empathy still logs in ?
[23:43] <innomen> Kamilion, i ddint force you to step up
[23:43] <david__> Dai, Eastern Time is GMT -4 -- 7:30 Eastern Time is 11:30 GMT
[23:43] <Kamilion> I know, I'm just kidding mate.
[23:43] <innomen> Kamilion, oh, oky
[23:43] <innomen> :)
[23:43] <innomen> joaopinto, empathy refuses to forget my account details
[23:43] <Kamilion> Unlike others, I actually do have a sense of humor.
[23:44] <innomen> Kamilion, and tone is lost in flat text
[23:44] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/switch-to-a-lightweight-filemanager.html
[23:44] <Kamilion> At least, I think I do. I might have left it in my other pants.
[23:44] <Kamilion> yay, almost time to leave work
[23:44] <Dai> david__: then you've already gone off DST?
[23:45] <Dai> because a couple weeks ago i could have sworn it was -5
[23:45] <Dai> (and will be again after this weekend
[23:45] <Kamilion> Now to start packing up my firefox tabs so I can take them home with me.
[23:45] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: uh ok
[23:45] <joaopinto> innomen, does it shows your account details after removing ~/.mission-control/accounts/accounts.cfg, removing the keys from seahorse, and restarting your system ?
[23:45] <david__> Dai we're on DST -- when we're off it will be GMT -5 -- I told you the difference at this moment
[23:46] <Penol> is ubuntu 9.10 out ?
[23:46] <LjL> no
[23:46] <Penol> okej
[23:46] <joaopinto> !isitout
[23:46] <Kamilion> Penol: Out? Yes. Released? No.
[23:46] <innomen> joaopinto, why should i have to restart?
[23:46] <Dai> david__: ah ha
[23:46] <innomen> no i ddint ever reboot
[23:46] <BUGabundo> PARTTYYYYYY
[23:46] <joaopinto> innomen, because the credentials maybe cached in memory ?
[23:46] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: To stop Nautilus from managing your desktop:In Gconf-editor go apps->nautilus->preferences.Scoll down till you see the "show desktop" item and unselect it. so if u do backwards you can change it back
[23:46] <BUGabundo> bunny killing
[23:46] <Kamilion> I think QA's working on a final couple snags with ubuiquity
[23:46] <innomen> and my passwords have yet to show up in seahorse
[23:46] <BUGabundo> or is it kitten ?!?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: some mirrors already have it and are exposing it to the world
[23:47] <Dai> BUGabundo: bunny punchings are reserved for people that use Comic Sans
[23:47] <joaopinto> innomen, and btw, doesn't the account delete button works for you on empathy ?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> Dai: you kill me
[23:47] <localnnuser__> ShapeShifter499: it can be done by different ways... so just google hheehehe
[23:47] <innomen> joaopinto, nope, they delete and then when i reopen the window they are back (two of each)
[23:47] <pipegeek> don't punch bunnies!
[23:48] <Kamilion> QA signed off?
[23:48] <Kamilion> Huh. *goes to scan mirror.kernel.org*
[23:48] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: no idea
[23:48] <pipegeek> punch people who use comic sans
[23:48] <innomen> thats what started this mess when they imported from pidgin it made two of each
[23:48] <BUGabundo> but its on the rzync servers already
[23:48] <joaopinto> innomen, so better file the bug report, and/or join #empathy :)
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I shouldn't be saying this on this #, should I ?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:48] <localnnuser__> what time is 9.10 supposed to be out?
[23:48] <Kamilion> Eh, I'll wait for the torrents to be generated.
[23:49] <joaopinto> localnnuser__, there is no specific time
[23:49] <Kamilion> then I can use my massive work connection to seed.
[23:49] <innomen> joaopinto, #empathy is uncrowded :)
[23:49] <joaopinto> it will be on the next 48h
[23:49] <BUGabundo> localnnuser__: no one knows
[23:49] <joaopinto> innomen, read the source :P
[23:49] <innomen> eh?
[23:49] <innomen> the source to/of what
[23:49] <RomD> will there be any more updates if I already have the RC which is currently up-to-date?
[23:49] <scott_ino2> im confused why people don't upgrade already
[23:49] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: torrent already on private tracker of ubuntu :)
[23:50] <joaopinto> incidence, that's the beauty about open source, either you find someone who knows to fix it, or you can check the source code and figure yourself :)
[23:50] <innomen> RomD, good question
[23:50] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: how much to you have?
[23:50] <innomen> joaopinto, oh lmao
[23:50] <localnnuser__> RomD: if u keep updating ull have lastest ubuntu...
[23:50] <Kamilion> BUGabundo: gigabit.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> at home or office?
[23:50] <Kamilion> I'm watching http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ right now ;)
[23:50] <Kamilion> office.
[23:50] <RomD> ok. wouldn't make sense to push tons of updates just because it's the release date I guess
[23:50] <BUGabundo> cause I'm stuck on 2g/3g tonigh
[23:50] <ShapeShifter499> localnnuser__: I want pcman file manager to stop managing the folder clicks in PLACES in the ubuntu menu
[23:50] <Kamilion> I work at NASA Ames Research.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> and ti sucks
[23:50] <innomen> so tommarow what ubunut falvor willt his channel be supporting?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> ahahaah
[23:51] <scott_ino2> Kamilion, must be nice
[23:51] <scott_ino2> ;)
[23:51] <Kamilion> scott_ino2: I get $15 an hour and people bothering me all day. I wish it was nicer.
[23:51] <BUGabundo> well I work at a datacenter
[23:51] <BUGabundo> and we have clients on 10gbit
[23:51] <RomD> localnnuser__: I know, I meant whether they are holding back some updates which will be available on the release date (for whatever reason)
[23:51] <scott_ino2> Kamilion, yeah but you get pipes
[23:51] <innomen> Kamilion, i have a food card and my ktichen ceiling is caving in, i saved up for having a tooth pulled and haveing it replaced is simply outside my price range, be grateful
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: don't compaling. you get more then me
[23:52] <localnnuser__> RomD: probably...
[23:52] <scott_ino2> I can't complain I get a solid 1.8MB/s down... nowhere near gigabit but still pretty good for a house
[23:52] <MightyTweek> innomen: Lucid Lynx! Well, eventually.
[23:52] <localnnuser__> RomD: but still i think, this is the most solid version of ubuntu ive ever had... pretty amazed
[23:53] <Kamilion> innomen: Haha, you're in the same boat I am. Only I've got three molars that need to come out and I need new glasses, need to buy a crappy used car, and the damned bus in the bay area is $2.00 for a single-ride
[23:53] <localnnuser__> RomD: im still missing some packages like symphony though
[23:53] <KB1JWQ> Kamilion: Credit the teeth if you have to, it's better than walking around in agony.
[23:53] <innomen> Kamilion, no
[23:53] <RomD> I agree localnnuser__. there is an annoying bug in nautilus and gnome-panel, but it's still a great release
[23:54] <innomen> KB1JWQ, maxed out my meager credit dealing with one
[23:54] <Kamilion> BUGabundo:  If you have a chance, would you mind PMing me a link to the torrents? It'd be nice to have 'em on hand to seed, as I have my torrent client watching for the .torrent files to appear.
[23:54] <innomen> no such thing as emergency dental care int eh states. dentists=vinnie with a bat, pay or pain
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> innomen: News to me.
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: no access to them right now
[23:54] <localnnuser__> RomD: couldnt tell about any bugs for gnome, by the way what are they?, im ussing kde...
[23:54] <Kamilion> KB1JWQ: I wish, but the subcontractor I work for has crap for dental plan. Massive co-pay
[23:54] <BUGabundo> but get a daily
[23:54] <RomD> and fortunately the jaunty ppa for amarok 1.4 works on karmic, too
[23:54] <BUGabundo> should be final
[23:54] <montamer> hi ........ i just found this link "http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso" is it the final release????
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> Kamilion: Look into Care Credit.  Interest isn't horrid, and it's for things like this.
[23:55] <bjsnider> RomD, what about amarok2?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> montamer: don't PUBLISH LINKS
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> !isitout | montamer
[23:55] <KB1JWQ> innomen: Most are human.  Talk to them, be up front about your situation.  Most will hammer out a deal.
[23:55] <Kamilion> Eh, I could just go hit QA's iso cache, they're usually newer than the dailys and if they've signed off on release, the last QA image should be the final.
[23:55] <BUGabundo> damn it
[23:55] <joaopinto> montamer, no
[23:55] <quentusrex_> bjsnider, what about the cd server daily build?
[23:55] <RomD> bjsnider: I hate it
[23:55] <BUGabundo> you guys should know that
[23:55] <innomen> KB1JWQ, you'd be surprised
[23:55] <Kamilion> BUGabundo: Could you perhaps gimme the sha1sums for the ones you know of?
[23:55] <bjsnider> RomD, hate is such a strong word
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: we know that, but don't tell *everyoneP
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: all I have right now are daily
[23:56] <BUGabundo> so you have those too
[23:56] <Koken> can someone pm me? ubuntu 9.10 rc will not boot after i install it
[23:56] <RomD> localnnuser__: I'm using a rather rare setup with three separated x screens on three monitors and nautilus and gome-panel don't play well there in the latest version. shouldn't matter for 99% of the ubuntu users though.
[23:56] <BUGabundo> and a rsync serve
[23:56] <BUGabundo> *server
[23:56] <BUGabundo> which you also have
[23:56] <montamer> sorry for putting the link here ....... i got the link in some website and was just wiondering
[23:56] <montamer> as it supposed to releease on 29
[23:56] <joaopinto> montamer, you need to be carefull it could be a virus :D
[23:56] <localnnuser__> RomD: sorry about that hehe
[23:56] <scott_ino2> what's a virus
[23:56] <montamer> lol :)
[23:56] <scott_ino2> ;)
[23:56] <joaopinto> montamer, yes, and that's a long day, 24h
[23:57] <joaopinto> with timezones, 48
[23:57] <RomD> bjsnider: I hate it compared to amarok 1.4. the interface is so counterintuitive. amarok 1.4 is by far the best player I have used so far.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> guys lets keep this # clear for support , ok ?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> for release join #ubuntu-release-party
[23:57] <RomD> for me amarok 2 is a regression
[23:58] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, yes sir
[23:58] <bjsnider> RomD, i hear that a lot. not sure why since i use banshee
[23:58] <BUGabundo> and remember, every time asks if it is out, a bunnie dies :)
[23:58] <bjsnider> don't want the kdelibs on here
[23:58] <bjsnider> they're an infection
[23:59] <RomD> I normally prefer gnome applications, too, but amarok and kaffeine are the exception
[23:59] <RomD> sorry BUGabundo


[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[14:03] <dholbach> davidcalle, did we hear anything back from IS/webops?
[14:05] <davidcalle> There are some new changes in the branch, I have a deployment in progress since 10 min
[14:07] <davidcalle> (And I'm saying this in a totally monochord tone to avoid getting you or myself excited ;) )
[14:07] <dholbach> too late, champagne bottle is already open
[14:07] <dholbach> EVERYBODY: drinks are on davidcalle!
[14:07] <dholbach> :-D
[14:08] <davidcalle> No free champagne for you hippie :p
[14:08] <dholbach> :-P
[14:10] <davidcalle> There is still ~15 min to wait. /me gets coffee.
[14:52] <davidcalle> dholbach: no champagne today. Time to bump the RT. I'll do it after I've finished showdown stuff.
[14:54] <dholbach> :-(
[14:54] <dholbach> what happened?
[16:06] <davidcalle> dholbach: nothing happened, unfortunately, same story
[16:07] <dholbach> :-((
[20:39] <mhall119> davidcalle: were you able to get a status update on the devportal deployments yesterday evening?
[22:02] <[Ch4m3l30n]> Is it just me or is the Wiki throwing a lot of Internal Server Error pages for others as well?
[23:30] <cjohnston> its a known issue


[00:47] <RBX129K> Hi, I recently accidentally overrode my Windows with Kubuntu. I've heard a lot of people were saved by a program called "testdisk." Could anybody tell me where to download the correct version of testdisk, and how to use it?
[02:01] <r_rios> Hello. Sometimes I see some unfinished rendering of stuff in Plasma 5 like this: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/19/unfinished_rednering.png
[02:14] <r_rios> I recall this didn't happen when I tried it on openSUSE. Maybe it's a mesa bug or something?
[02:14] <r_rios> Anyway, is anyone experiencing the same problems?
[05:29] <zopsi> Has anyone seen behavior like this with audio http://i.imgur.com/1n4cTQP.gif
[05:30] <function9> zopsi: which version of kubuntu/kde are you using?
[05:34] <zopsi> function9: Kubuntu 14.0.4 x64 Desktop and KDE4 I think. I have not changed anything except an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:35] <zopsi> function9: the audio also fluctuates like that as well. It works fine in Windows. I'm using the built in mobo audio chip.
[05:46] <G__81> hi i am using kubuntu 14.04 64 bit. The problem that i face with Kubuntu is with the touchpad. Its so sensitive that i am unable to type and the focus goes away. I have XUbuntu 14.04 also installed in the same laptop but i don't face the issue there. Is it something with regard to settings in KDE that i need to change?
[05:49] <function9> zopsi: you could try the kubuntu forums, see if anyone else has the same issue or found a fix for it https://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php?s=2f3263f2c441488b0c40567cf51c9982
[05:49] <function9> G__81: System Settings/ Input Devices/ Touchpad
[05:49] <function9> bbl
[05:51] <G__81> function9, in fact i tried the kubuntu forums but i couldnt find any clue for it. I am using a Dell Inspiron 15r laptop.
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:34] <function9> hi
[07:35] <lordievader> Hey function9, how are you?
[07:35] <function9> lordievader: good thank you, and yourself?
[07:36] <lordievader> Doing okay.
[08:35] <lordievader> !info tlp
[09:06] <faulty> anyone alive in here
[09:29] <yossarianuk> hi - is anyone aware if you can load an installed OS in RAM like you can with the livecd - i.e https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[09:43] <ikonia> yossarianuk: you can install into ram - but it will die when you reboot so pretty much "no"
[09:44] <ikonia> certainly not realistically with kubuntu
[09:44] <yossarianuk> ok cheers
[09:44] <ikonia> yossarianuk: keep in mind the livecd is basically an OS running in ram only
[09:44] <ikonia> yossarianuk: swapping out the file system as required
[09:44] <yossarianuk> its a shame that you can't do that and say sync differeneces with HDD on shutdown.
[09:45] <yossarianuk> Its only because I have had a RAM upgrade im enquiring...
[09:45] <ikonia> thats basically running from disk
[09:46] <function9> yossarianuk: if you want something instantaneous, get the most powerful, Intel cpu in the market, with 16 gigs of ram, 4 gig vid card, and SSD hard drive. you'll be breazing it through
[09:47] <ikonia> that is just rubbish advice
[09:47] <ikonia> yossarianuk: ignore that
[09:50] <yossarianuk> function9: I have an i5 16GB 1GB CPU - its fine - was really just trying to see if you could somehow just run the OS installed from ram#
[09:51] <yossarianuk> I used to run the Amiga OS (workbench 1.3) from RAM in the late 80's  -  that was faster than nearly all desktops nows.
[09:52] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Be glad the linux kernel does disk caching so that your 16Gb ram in not wasted.
[09:52] <yossarianuk> but that didnt really change - no internet at the time (for me) - no updates.
[09:52] <function9> yosafbridge: OS on ram have been around for years now. The cpu plays a big part. Especially when you are copying or pasting.
[09:52] <yossarianuk> lordievader: I am glad
[09:56] <function9> yossarianuk: It's your system, get a faster system and you'll see the difference
[09:57] <ikonia> function9: stop talking nonsense
[09:57] <ikonia> this is your only warning
[09:58] <yossarianuk> function9: I know that faster systems = faster speeds generally
[09:58] <yossarianuk> i'm not saying my system is slow - its not
[09:59] <yossarianuk> 14.04 also seems faster than previous versions - unsure if its the kernel / kde version , etc
[09:59] <function9> yossarianuk: we'll end it to that, you know how it is :)
[09:59] <ikonia> yossarianuk: you may get millage from changing the ammount of buffers used and the swapiness factor in the kernel
[10:00] <ikonia> yossarianuk: as your system is well specificed already you may get some better response from actually forcing the use of it for foreground / desktop response
[10:00] <yossarianuk> cfq seems better also than deadline.
[10:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:44] <alvin> yossarianuk: That depends on your workload. On an SSD, deadline is generally the better choice. (On a laptop, there's also the battery to consider). I believe Kubuntu defaults to deadline now?
[10:44] <alvin> yossarianuk: You can put parts of your system in ram. I do that with the Firefox cache. No trouble so far.
[11:24] <Indian347> <newbie here how can i chaneg the "wallpaper" in kubuntu?
[12:52] <yossarianuk> alvin: THANKS
[12:53] <yossarianuk> (sorry for caps)
[13:10] <yossarianuk>
[14:37] <trucmuche_> test
[14:37] <trucmuche_> bonjour
[14:38] <trucmuche_> quelqu'un peut m'aider svp?
[14:39] <trucmuche_> svp
[17:09] <phanto> Allo!
[17:20] <lordievader> o/
[17:40] <zopsi> join #wrongplanet
[17:41] <zopsi> part #kubuntu
[19:03] <zopsi> Ok let's give this another go. Does anyone know how to fix this issue? http://i.imgur.com/1n4cTQP.gif
[19:04] <zopsi> I think it has to do with some secondary audio device trying to become primary and back and forth.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> zopsi, check your system settings>multimedia>device preference
[19:20] <zopsi> BluesKaj: No effect.
[19:21] <BluesKaj> what's no effect, what did you do?
[19:21] <zopsi> I didn't do anything. You said to check device preferences. There's only two devices and the one I want is at the top (most preferred). I still hear the popping and see the mixer volume moving up and down rapidly.
[19:22] <BluesKaj> did you choose the analog as default by moving it to the top then highlighting and clicking the test button?
[19:23] <zopsi> Yes BluesKaj
[19:23] <zopsi> sound plays fine, but it flickers and pops with the involunatary movement of the volume
[19:24] <BluesKaj> hmm, that's a new one, never seen that before
[19:25] <zopsi> BluesKaj: it isn't the hardware as it works fine in Windows and other distributions
[19:26] <BluesKaj> zopsi, does your hdmi output work if chosen?
[19:27] <zopsi> I don't use the hdmi as it is a mini-hdmi from my Nvidia Graphics Card and my monitor is DVI-D
[19:29] <BluesKaj> zopsi,  I think there are mini hdmi to dvi cables available if you need one. I use a dvi to regular hdmi connector from my htpc to the tv
[19:30] <zopsi> BluesKaj: Yes, but I don't have an audio device for that. I have external speakers.
[19:30] <zopsi> BluesKaj: Plus my monitor is 1440p
[19:30] <zopsi> I'd rather fix my audio issue as it is software related.
[19:33] <BluesKaj> well, it's merely cosmetic, dunno what could be causing such odd behaviour
[19:41] <zopsi> Ok I fixed it by uninstalling everything pulseaudio
[19:47] <BluesKaj> zopsi, if your audio is intel-hda then alsa will link to webaudio/flashaudio without a problem, if not then pulseaudio will be required, that's been my experience
[19:47] <zopsi> my audio is intel-hda apparently
[19:48] <BluesKaj> zopsi,  cool
[19:49] <BluesKaj> this laptop is as well, unfortunately my m-audio card on the htpc suffers from non alsa linkage on webaudio, so I need pulse there
[22:03] <Specialist> is there a way to disable the baloo file indexer in 14.04? it is crash-looping on each startup. the various tricks from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-baseapps/+bug/1295323  do not seem to work (except for the fake package, which i would only consider as a last resort to to possible side-effects)
[22:07] <valorie> Specialist: please join #kde-baloo and report your problem there
[22:07] <valorie> the developers are very responsive and eager to get baloo working excellently for everyone
[22:08] <Specialist> valorie: thanks, i'll give it a try. i already reported an upstream bug 10 days ago - no response...
[22:08] <valorie> well, bugs.kde.org would have been a better place
[22:08]  * genii smacks ubottu
[22:09] <valorie> although I'm sure they check launchpad when they have time
[22:09] <valorie> ubottu: so hard work, so silly
[22:09] <valorie> exactly
[22:09] <Specialist> valorie: that's where I reported it
[22:09] <valorie> cool
[22:10] <valorie> it is summer; sometimes people go on holiday, etc.


[13:56] <jrwren> cmaloney: you familiar with this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuM_vOBIc6s
[13:56] <jrwren> it was new to me.
[14:21] <cmaloney> First I'm seeing it. Will check it out when I get home. Thanks!
[19:37] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ok wow. I like this Michael Hoenig
[19:37] <cmaloney> Thanks for sharing
[19:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: RIGHT?!? it is a bit like Tangerine Dream, but also unique and that album is from 1978!
[20:36] <cmaloney> Yeah, definitely need to pick this up
[20:36] <cmaloney> though the vinyl cover is so much better than the CD cover.


[03:54] <hispeed67> for some reason, when i use google chrome or firefox browsers, my CPU util goes pretty high, and when i close them the util doesn't return to low values..
[03:54] <hispeed67> chromium doesn't do that
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: file a bug mate
[03:54] <hispeed67> hey lotus..
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: in this stage, system can still break
[03:55] <hispeed67> i traced the problem to the browsers.. swapped to a couple others and no cpu load issues.. never even goes high
[05:07] <DoYouKnow> Hi!
[05:07] <DoYouKnow> did ubuntu 16.04 fix the nouveau driver issue yet with the DMIO copy error?
[05:07] <DoYouKnow> (copy pasted from ubuntu)
[05:08] <DoYouKnow> #ubuntu
[05:08] <DoYouKnow> card is an nvidia gtx 960M
[05:09] <DoYouKnow> 4gb vid mem
[08:20] <zfsfiend> what's the best way to move an existing zfs installation to the new 'official' one?
[09:31] <alkisg> Does anyone else have issues with menus in xenial under virtualbox? The focused menuitem doesn't follow the mouse cursor. E.g. I can't open submenus with hovering the mouse above them.
[09:31] <alkisg> It happens in the gnome-flashback menus but also in the unity menus
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: we have users with issues on xenial virtually
[09:32]  * alkisg didn't quite catch that...
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: someone had issue login into unity8 yesterday over virtualbox
[09:33] <alkisg> Hmm I'm not using LightDM so I don't know about any login issues, it works fine here
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: im testing xenial on desktop, works like a charm here
[09:33] <alkisg> I think it's related to the "tablet style usb input device" that vbox uses by default
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: maybe talk to the #vbox guys about it?
[09:34] <alkisg> It's only the menus
[09:34] <alkisg> So I suspect some regression in gtk
[09:35] <alkisg> E.g. qt menus work fine
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> weird
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: file a bug against it?
[09:36] <alkisg> Sure, I could do that, but I'd prefer to see that it's not a local issue (i.e. that someone else is experiencing it too) before doing so...
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: didnt test gnome fallback myself yet
[09:37] <alkisg> It should affect unity and any gtk menu in virtualbox
[09:37] <alkisg> E.g. right clicking on the desktop => the focused menu item doesn't follow the mouse movement, it's clickable though
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[20:42] <nicomachus> What is the "glib" module that unity imports? Getting an error from screenfetch (which still works fine): http://paste.ubuntu.com/13868945/
[20:46] <nicomachus> here's the unity file, showing "import glib" on line 21: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13869095/


[23:53] <tabakhase_> *here* @ soundray
[23:53] <soundray> sudo umount /boot came back without error?
[23:54] <tabakhase_> bash: unmount: command not found
[23:54] <soundray> tabakhase_: read carefully
[23:55] <tabakhase_> bash: because ive "su" to root
[23:55] <tabakhase_> and sudo also not works
[23:56] <soundray> What's your ubuntu version?
[23:56] <tabakhase_> newest =(
[23:56] <soundray> Tell me what version please
[23:56] <soundray> lsb_release -a
[23:57] <tabakhase_> No LSB modules are available
[23:58] <tabakhase_> Release: 8.04
[23:58] <tabakhase_> Disc.: Ubuntu 8.04.1
[23:58] <soundray> okay
[23:58] <soundray> Are you in gnome right now?
[23:58] <tabakhase_> jeps
[23:59] <soundray> Open a new terminal and tell me what happens when you run 'sudo ls'
[23:59] <tabakhase_> if we need just the files from the old /boot ive already backuped it..